| 00:00.04 | Thrae | Cairenn: Of course not. I can tell you what I know and conclude about sociopaths, but it doesn't mean they're right either! I'm just pontificating. Sorry. |
| 00:00.07 | Shirik | separated the morons from the hunters that really knew what they were doing |
| 00:00.09 | Fisker | get this Shirik |
| 00:00.12 | Shirik | (i.e., the 1%) |
| 00:00.15 | Cairenn | no worries |
| 00:00.24 | Fisker | i kited a blistering zombie on Dreamwalker with a constant slow from the frostbolt volleys |
| 00:00.29 | Fisker | <-skilled |
| 00:00.36 | Shirik | Fisker, you were destroyed |
| 00:00.40 | Thrae | I'm the type of person that feels the more information I and everyone else has, the better a situation can be controlled. |
| 00:00.43 | Fisker | very close |
| 00:00.47 | sag_ich_nicht | Thrae ahahaha |
| 00:00.49 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: you're saying only hunters who knew what they were doing completed the epic quest? I... contest that |
| 00:01.00 | Shirik | nothing is perfect |
| 00:01.10 | sag_ich_nicht | those who didn't have a clue and completed it didn't complete it |
| 00:01.10 | Shirik | however it took some work, if you didn't cheat it of course |
| 00:01.12 | sag_ich_nicht | they shared their account |
| 00:01.13 | Fisker | Disengage, Conc Shut, Frost Trap, Disengage again, and after that it got close enough to almost get me, then Dreamwalker was healed up :D |
| 00:01.15 | Shirik | some people just cheated it |
| 00:01.15 | sag_ich_nicht | and someone else did it for them |
| 00:01.42 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik you can't really cheat it, except for having a warlock duel you and apply CoR on you |
| 00:01.51 | Shirik | yeah that kind of stuff is what I mean |
| 00:01.55 | Shirik | I didn't even get buffs from anyone |
| 00:01.55 | sag_ich_nicht | and it's impossible to do alone at 60 anyway |
| 00:01.56 | Fisker | I liked it back when you could kite those demons that spawned |
| 00:01.58 | Shirik | I did it all on my own |
| 00:02.05 | Shirik | wtf you mean it's impossible |
| 00:02.05 | Fisker | Those mobs that like oneshot everything |
| 00:02.07 | Shirik | I did it |
| 00:02.10 | sag_ich_nicht | no Shirik |
| 00:02.13 | sag_ich_nicht | what I mean is |
| 00:02.17 | sag_ich_nicht | the mobs around you |
| 00:02.20 | sag_ich_nicht | rape you with respawn |
| 00:02.23 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:02.23 | sag_ich_nicht | well, they do now |
| 00:02.27 | Thrae | Fisker: I need to see if my guild saved our ICC-10 run, we got past Blood Queen 2nd try (serious skill AND gear check), so we'd be facing Dreamwalker next. |
| 00:02.32 | Shirik | I don't know, I haven't done it since vanilla |
| 00:02.36 | Shirik | but I did it back then |
| 00:02.36 | Gnarfoz | that's why you cleared out an area for yourself back then |
| 00:02.37 | sag_ich_nicht | iirc, back in vanilla, the respawn rate was lower |
| 00:02.41 | sag_ich_nicht | a lot lower |
| 00:02.55 | sag_ich_nicht | Gnarfoz: that's impossible today |
| 00:02.57 | sag_ich_nicht | trust me, I tried |
| 00:03.01 | sag_ich_nicht | completely undoable |
| 00:03.07 | Gnarfoz | I don't trust you as far as I can spit! :p |
| 00:03.18 | Thrae | Fisker: 2nd try meaning we wiped 4 times, called it a night, then the next day wiped 5 more times with half of the people replaced until we got it. |
| 00:03.21 | sag_ich_nicht | so I had a friend come along and kill all the mobs that got in my way |
| 00:03.43 | Fisker | :o |
| 00:03.48 | Fisker | i must sleep |
| 00:03.51 | Fisker | or i will destroy you |
| 00:03.53 | Thrae | Fisker: Our 2nd try had far from optimal gear AND skill, I was surprised we got it down so well at the end |
| 00:03.58 | foxlit | blood queen is a skill check? |
| 00:04.01 | foxlit | Snoozefest! |
| 00:04.20 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: ironic: Blood Queen heroic is 1:1 the same as nonheroic ~ |
| 00:04.42 | Gnarfoz | (yada yada 5% more dmg per vampire, but... it really is irrelevant, free tokens!) |
| 00:04.58 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: Yeah, if you have the gear and coordination down flat |
| 00:05.12 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 00:05.52 | Thrae | Everything up to and possibly including Saurfang is "free Badges", it's after Saurfang where coordination tailored to each fight gets up quite a notch |
| 00:05.55 | Gnarfoz | "run together when linked, inverse of Mother Sharaz in BT!" + "run your shadows around, just like the fire on Jaraxxus" + "don't clump up in air phase" |
| 00:05.59 | Gnarfoz | did I miss anything? :D |
| 00:06.29 | Stanzilla | bite |
| 00:06.31 | Stanzilla | people |
| 00:06.34 | Gnarfoz | bite? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15850-BloodQueen.html :o |
| 00:06.47 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: We have a lot of people in our ICC-10 and also ICC-25s that haven't raided pre-WotLK |
| 00:07.06 | WobWork | Thrae: Makes you feel so old =( |
| 00:07.07 | Gnarfoz | well, "run together when linked" works without the sharaz reference, too ;p |
| 00:07.09 | Stanzilla | our tank dk yesterday asked us how to do custom emotes |
| 00:07.12 | Stanzilla | 24 people facepalmed |
| 00:07.19 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: make that 25: m( |
| 00:07.23 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 00:07.36 | WobWork | but.. |
| 00:07.40 | foxlit | They really need to break instance coordinates |
| 00:07.41 | WobWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.45 | Thrae | Speaking of 25-mans, which have all been PUGs for me, I made an addon that complains to the caster and raid if they have Crusader Aura or Aspect of the Pack on and the addon user goes into combat. |
| 00:07.49 | foxlit | </controversial opinion> |
| 00:08.44 | foxlit | Pack makes sense in some cases; Crusader Aura is useless, but does no harm. |
| 00:08.51 | Thrae | Next I'm thinking an addon to try and detect what s***head turned off Wrynn's buff. The so-called "soft reset" doesn't work to restore it, or at least didn't work recently. |
| 00:09.17 | Gnarfoz | unless there's a yell, good luck |
| 00:09.26 | Thrae | foxlit: Sure, just like RankWatch can get it wrong, but it's also a very helpful addon |
| 00:10.03 | foxlit | Meh, the only time I interacted with RankWatch was when it whined at me for for downranked moonfire spam |
| 00:10.30 | foxlit | I suppose the usefulness depends on what sort of people you run with. |
| 00:10.35 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: I'm thinking *maybe* it can detect by using raid targets who had Wrynn targetted when the buff fell off, but they might be able to lose target fast enough to avoid that unless the addon checks periodically. |
| 00:10.54 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: Honestly it's more of an intellectual pursuit. |
| 00:10.57 | Gnarfoz | also, that's totally inaccurate :D |
| 00:11.07 | Thrae | It'll narrow it down! |
| 00:11.24 | foxlit | Two-sided error. |
| 00:11.25 | Gnarfoz | makes everyone in Thrae's raid target the king |
| 00:11.27 | foxlit | Useless. |
| 00:11.29 | foxlit | :) |
| 00:11.57 | Gnarfoz | they should've simply limited it to the raid leader |
| 00:12.12 | foxlit | They should've just added a dialog option to put it back. |
| 00:12.21 | foxlit | "Sorry, your majesty, we're cowards!" |
| 00:12.41 | foxlit | Not like he actually withdraws |
| 00:12.55 | WobWork | It's good to be the king! |
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| 00:14.18 | Jerub | Thrae: how does rankwatch 'get it wrong' ? |
| 00:14.49 | Thrae | Jerub: Sometimes people use lower ranks on purpose. Very rare, but it happens. |
| 00:14.52 | Jerub | oh, right. |
| 00:15.09 | Jerub | a guildmate would uh... yes. do that. |
| 00:15.16 | Jerub | if the tank was being a cock normally. |
| 00:15.33 | WobWork | I'm downranking prayer of shadow protection right now! |
| 00:15.36 | Jerub | he would spam heal rank1 spells until the tank died, then heal normally everyone else to stop a wipe. |
| 00:15.50 | WobWork | (cause of the goddamn change to mats before all my other 'prayer' spells also upgrade) |
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| 00:17.44 | Jerub | finished BRD last night. so happy. |
| 00:19.58 | foxlit | "Jerub: he would spam heal rank1 spells until the tank died, then heal normally everyone else to stop a wipe." << any real benefit to doing this as opposed to just not healing the tank? |
| 00:20.17 | Stanzilla | he cant yell at you for not healing |
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| 00:21.01 | Jerub | foxlit: "I don't know what happened, I've never seen a tank as squishy as you, I was healing as quickly as I could!" |
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| 00:21.22 | foxlit | I can't see that flying against anyone but complete morons. |
| 00:21.50 | Stanzilla | no reason to not heal/downrank heal if he isn't one :p |
| 00:22.32 | foxlit | Hey, you can be annoying without being a moron :) |
| 00:22.49 | foxlit | The reply is "What, you can't heal a tier 10-geared tank in a heroic?" |
| 00:22.53 | Stanzilla | true^^ |
| 00:29.10 | Dagmar | Downranked heals would be the hallmark of a moron |
| 00:30.17 | Jerub | foxlit: well, the lsat time i recall him doing tihs was when T8 was modern |
| 00:31.02 | Jerub | these days I have to be careful to see that i actually /have/ a healer before boss pulls. |
| 00:31.13 | Jerub | because they've d/c'd on me before and i've thought they were dps. |
| 00:33.16 | Dagmar | Jerub: You did, of course, inform the rest of the raid that you were "pro", right? :) |
| 00:33.42 | Jerub | Dagmar: raid? i was talking about heorics. |
| 00:34.04 | Dagmar | Oh even better then |
| 00:34.04 | Jerub | in which case i keep my fucking trap shut unless i see a really good reason to communicate |
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| 00:38.59 | foxlit | http://www.pastey.net/135300 << any ideas? |
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| 00:41.29 | foxlit | I can't reproduce it, which is a complete shame. |
| 00:41.53 | foxlit | There doesn't seem to be a very obvious way to taint it, either. |
| 00:42.07 | Dagmar | That's what I was just thinking |
| 00:42.58 | Dagmar | Maybe someone's got an addon loaded that overwrites one of those calls--the only guess I can come up with |
| 00:43.43 | foxlit | They can't, though |
| 00:44.01 | foxlit | UpdateGMTicket presumably requires an untainted path, so hooking it directly is lunacy |
| 00:44.10 | Shirik | ^ |
| 00:44.35 | foxlit | _OnClick() is bound through XML, so you can't replace that either. |
| 00:44.54 | foxlit | And the only other thing on that execution path are checks against local variables, which are hard to get to as well. |
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| 00:46.21 | Dagmar | They're also declared right there in the same lua so they should be ine |
| 00:46.25 | Dagmar | s/ine/fine/; |
| 00:46.47 | Dagmar | Can the _user_ reproduce this? |
| 00:47.22 | foxlit | I've heard the story from multiple people, but they haven't been able to post taintlogs. |
| 00:47.31 | kd3 | huzzah! sc2 beta working (finally) |
| 00:47.55 | foxlit | kd3: which continent? |
| 00:48.32 | kd3 | us |
| 00:48.39 | foxlit | And the only place even remotely close to the help frame I interact with is the panel system |
| 00:48.49 | foxlit | I suppose it sneaks in there, somehow. |
| 00:48.59 | foxlit | kd3: I'm eternally disappointed. |
| 00:50.44 | Dagmar | Their mouse is tainted. :) |
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| 00:57.26 | Dagmar | My only guess is that HelpFrameOpenTicketEditBox:GetText() is introducing taint |
| 00:57.31 | Dagmar | HOW, I have no idea |
| 00:57.54 | Dagmar | No wait, not even that |
| 00:57.55 | Dagmar | pfft |
| 00:58.02 | Dagmar | Oblong electrons. |
| 00:58.29 | Arrowmaster | are you messing with the chatframe link functions in OPie? |
| 00:58.38 | Arrowmaster | SetItemRef() i think it is? |
| 00:59.21 | Dagmar | Maybe osme other addon is diddling with the frame |
| 01:00.39 | Dagmar | I can't see anywhere taint could get there unless the assumption that things are taint free when HelpFrameOpenTicketSubmit_OnClick is called is just wrong |
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| 01:04.12 | Arrowmaster | where the fuck did that sticky go on the ui forums |
| 01:04.29 | Arrowmaster | i had a post in there pointing out a taint issue in the default ui |
| 01:04.53 | Dagmar | OH! |
| 01:04.55 | Dagmar | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:UwIdxRvHhhQJ:forums.wowlite.net/thread.php%3FforumID%3D%26id%3D11676470259%26pageNo%3D3+HelpFrameOpenTicketSubmit_OnClick&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a |
| 01:04.58 | Dagmar | That would be it |
| 01:05.29 | Dagmar | I was just about to say "Hell< I dind't know click-pasting would introduce taint" and then you said that and I see your name at the bottom |
| 01:06.40 | Arrowmaster | need a date on that post so i can know how long ago i reported that problem |
| 01:07.38 | Dagmar | This is where it sucks that wowlite picked up the post and mirrored it |
| 01:07.58 | Dagmar | Is it perhaps this http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11676470259 |
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| 01:08.01 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11676470259&sid=1&pageNo=3#59 |
| 01:08.06 | Sesshu | hi |
| 01:08.15 | Arrowmaster | forum search fails to find that when searching for posts by me |
| 01:08.20 | Dagmar | Ah yep. :) |
| 01:08.30 | Arrowmaster | 02/28/2009 09:08:02 PM PST |
| 01:09.06 | Arrowmaster | now where did foxlit go so i can tell him i found his taint issue LAST YEAR |
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| 01:09.58 | Dagmar | Oh this is highly inobvious |
| 01:10.16 | Dagmar | I'm too used to thinking about functions being invoked, then their parameters |
| 01:12.15 | Dagmar | What do you tell people to stop that tho? "Every time you paste into this edit box, God kills a kitten"? |
| 01:12.16 | alestane | The arguments have to be evaluated before the function can be called. |
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| 01:12.41 | Dagmar | Yeah obvious but I'm just not used to thinking about it like that or I wouldn't have been googling every token in the pastey in desperation |
| 01:14.32 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if anybody is going to poke blizz about this problem that i pointed out to them and then explicitly told zootfizzle that i found and posted a suggested solution for over a year ago? |
| 01:15.55 | Dagmar | Google HelpFrameOpenTicketSubmit_OnClick and look at how many of those first few pages are all people posting taint bug reports |
| 01:16.27 | Arrowmaster | i dont even remember who i was helping when i tracked that nasty bugger down |
| 01:16.42 | Dagmar | I think they're just expecting people to either figure it out or have read the sticky |
| 01:16.51 | Arrowmaster | but i want a fucking cookie when they finally fix it |
| 01:17.11 | Dagmar | I'd not have suspected the edit box for hours yet |
| 01:17.43 | Arrowmaster | that sticky isnt a sticky anymore, and most of the posts in it where from idiots getting taint in their own code instead of the default ui |
| 01:18.14 | Dagmar | Honestly tho you'd think click-pasting would not necessarily taint the data |
| 01:19.02 | Arrowmaster | it does HelpFrameOpenTicketText:SetText() which causes HelpFrameOpenTicketText:GetText() to be tainted |
| 01:30.58 | Sesshu | what does a |4 mean? SecondsToTime returns it. |
| 01:35.13 | Dagmar | Thats' when they set us up the bomb |
| 01:36.15 | Dagmar | Sesshu: What did you pass to it as an argument? |
| 01:36.45 | Sesshu | only one random number |
| 01:36.47 | Dagmar | It's _meant_ to take say, '3600' and turn it into something like "1 hour" |
| 01:36.48 | Sesshu | like 42 |
| 01:36.58 | Sesshu | i know |
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| 01:37.51 | Sesshu | by question is why the returned value is like "42 |4Sec.:Sec.;" and not like "42 Sec" |
| 01:37.55 | Sesshu | my |
| 01:38.14 | Dagmar | Oh, color codez |
| 01:38.42 | Dagmar | (Not specifically color, but you get the idea, I hope) |
| 01:39.15 | Sesshu | uhm |
| 01:40.00 | Dagmar | I'm trying to find a bloody page that explains it in detail so I can tell you specifically what it is, but either it's something some addon mangled up in your format strings, or it's a simpler code that probably turns stuff off |
| 01:40.59 | Sesshu | you mean it is an escape sequence? |
| 01:40.59 | Dagmar | yes |
| 01:40.59 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 01:41.01 | Dagmar | You will see some of them at http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemString |
| 01:41.01 | Sesshu | kay. |
| 01:41.24 | Dagmar | Blizz uses | as a marker for that |
| 01:41.26 | Sesshu | i know how they work but i don't know the |4 sequence |
| 01:41.34 | Dagmar | Neither do I |
| 01:41.35 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_escape_sequences |
| 01:41.35 | Sesshu | that is why i asked |
| 01:41.38 | Arrowmaster | yeah |4 isnt listed |
| 01:41.46 | Sesshu | yep |
| 01:41.57 | Arrowmaster | oh wait it is |
| 01:42.05 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Actually it is |
| 01:42.24 | Dagmar | It would have been more obvious I think if abbreviations weren't the default in the answer |
| 01:42.49 | Dagmar | We'd ahve seen |4Seccond:Seconds; and light bulbs woul dhave come on |
| 01:44.47 | Sesshu | singular plural sequence aha |
| 01:45.46 | Sesshu | haven |
| 01:45.56 | Sesshu | haven't seen that at first read :P |
| 01:46.28 | Dagmar | Yeah but you'd probably have figured it out if both strings weren't the same |
| 01:47.28 | Sesshu | right |
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| 02:03.53 | Kraps | how much did you guys pay to do your taxes? |
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| 02:10.09 | alestane | $30 |
| 02:10.54 | Arrowmaster | $0 |
| 02:11.26 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.43 | Jamash | taxes are for people who earn money |
| 02:11.44 | Arrowmaster | they fucking taxed my $20 of income last year |
| 02:12.19 | Kraps | $20? |
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| 02:12.52 | Arrowmaster | yes my income last year was like $21 |
| 02:13.01 | Kraps | huh |
| 02:13.03 | Arrowmaster | and they taxed it |
| 02:13.11 | Jamash | who's they |
| 02:13.18 | Arrowmaster | the IRS |
| 02:13.30 | Jamash | I bet you can get a refund |
| 02:13.56 | Arrowmaster | no i have to pay like $2 taxes |
| 02:14.02 | Jamash | O_o |
| 02:20.00 | Dagmar | huh? |
| 02:20.10 | Jamash | there's a minimum standard deduction |
| 02:20.17 | Dagmar | That is way below the standard deductible |
| 02:20.56 | Jamash | I made about $20 last year and I'm not even filing a return |
| 02:20.59 | Dagmar | You shouldn't be paying anything with an income of $21 even with any stimulus money |
| 02:22.03 | Dagmar | Geez they raised it to $9350 if filing single |
| 02:22.12 | Dagmar | Find a wiffle bat and smack your tax preparer with it |
| 02:23.47 | Dagmar | If that person is you, re-read the instructions on the 1040ez again. I think you missed a step. |
| 02:25.21 | Dagmar | http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040ez.pdf |
| 02:25.31 | Jamash | also, http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96623,00.html |
| 02:27.52 | Jamash | I tried to file a tax return one year when I had no income |
| 02:27.55 | Dagmar | Hopefully, I'll remember to e-file when I get home tonight |
| 02:27.56 | Jamash | they *wouldn't let me* |
| 02:28.07 | Jamash | apparently you can't file a form all filled out with zeroes |
| 02:29.24 | Dagmar | Jamash: Things can only go downhill from there |
| 02:29.53 | Shirik | hey |
| 02:29.54 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 02:29.58 | Shirik | hey Kraps |
| 02:30.22 | Shirik | and I have to pay $180 taxes :< |
| 02:30.35 | Kraps | hey Shirik |
| 02:30.41 | Jamash | I think the issue is people who rely on http://www.irs.gov/taxpros/article/0,,id=159932,00.html#_Toc224375581 |
| 02:30.44 | Dagmar | Pay cut or lazy HR people? |
| 02:31.00 | Jamash | so they just disallow zero returns even if justified |
| 02:31.57 | Dagmar | Jamash: Even if you're not trying to cheat there's nothing to gain by filing a zero return |
| 02:32.18 | Jamash | I was trying to get a document that showed I had no income |
| 02:32.49 | Jamash | because I was trying to get the pharmaceutical industry to give me free drugs |
| 02:33.03 | Jamash | turned out that a note from my doctor sufficed |
| 02:33.50 | Dagmar | If you err too high, you mihgt wind up doing like one idiot-girl I knew did and filed a claim for a return of a sizeable amount higher than what she even paid in taxes |
| 02:34.09 | Jamash | silly |
| 02:34.22 | Dagmar | On the other side of things, you could wind up paying them money you shouldn't and probably can't afford. |
| 02:34.44 | Dagmar | Either way, someone at the IRS has to take time out of their day to deal with yer lack of math skills |
| 02:35.16 | Dagmar | IRS auditors are not people who are happy with their jobs. |
| 02:35.29 | Dagmar | You don't want to have to deal with them. |
| 02:35.36 | Jamash | I can imagine |
| 02:36.07 | Jamash | I'm working for the Census at the moment |
| 02:36.25 | Jamash | I got a call from a woman who wants to stop receiving Census forms |
| 02:37.14 | Jamash | I didn't have the heart to tell her that the US Constitution pretty much requires us to send everyone Census forms, whether or not they like it |
| 02:37.35 | Jamash | also I bet in ten years she'll have forgotten |
| 02:37.57 | Kraps | "America is a country because no other country can call itself America but America. Every other country just wants a piece of our action" |
| 02:38.20 | WobWork | (except.. South America?) |
| 02:38.25 | Jamash | central america? |
| 02:38.41 | Kraps | Jamash: but but its unconstitutional! |
| 02:38.47 | WobWork | unAmerican |
| 02:39.17 | Jamash | the moon has an american flag on it |
| 02:39.27 | Shirik | Kraps |
| 02:39.31 | Shirik | I think I just found the best userbox ever |
| 02:39.35 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_lisp |
| 02:39.40 | Jamash | which is kind of silly if you think about it |
| 02:39.46 | Shirik | though I guess you don't know lisp and the joke will be lost on you :( |
| 02:39.46 | Jamash | let me guess, it's full of parentheses |
| 02:39.56 | Jamash | oh nice |
| 02:40.10 | Kraps | Shirik: i know lisp is a programming language |
| 02:42.01 | Dagmar | Shirik: Hmm... I'm slightly disappointed. I expected an aalib conversion of a photo, composed exclusively of '(' and ')' and some whitespace |
| 02:42.14 | Shirik | well typically these boxes say things like |
| 02:42.38 | Shirik | "This user understands English" |
| 02:42.49 | Shirik | Cet utilisateur peut contribuer avec un niveau intermédiaire en français. |
| 02:42.56 | Shirik | ãã®å©ç¨è
ã¯å°ãã ãæ¥æ¬èªã話ããã¨ãã§ãã¾ã |
| 02:43.06 | Jamash | my hovercraft is full of eels |
| 02:43.16 | Shirik | Lisp's apparently says "this user is of type lisp" |
| 02:43.37 | Jamash | actually it says set this user to be of type lisp |
| 02:43.41 | Dagmar | It's not quite as funny when it's just in English |
| 02:43.43 | Jamash | it's a function |
| 02:43.44 | Shirik | clsoe enough |
| 02:44.36 | Jamash | λ |
| 02:46.24 | Dashkal | No haskell? Bah |
| 02:46.35 | Jamash | no APL either |
| 02:46.44 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_haskell-N |
| 02:47.00 | Shirik | -N means "native" |
| 02:47.06 | Shirik | like en-N is "native english" |
| 02:47.31 | Dashkal | Ahh, it's just not in the Category:Computer_language_user_templates |
| 02:48.35 | Dashkal | I'd be tempted to flag myself that way except that it'd be a lie. I'm a ways off yet from groking that language. |
| 02:49.37 | Dagmar | This http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_haskell-0 |
| 02:49.47 | Shirik | lmao |
| 02:49.53 | Shirik | level 0 |
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| 02:59.03 | Dashkal | heh, level 2 it is (or would be had I an account there) |
| 02:59.26 | Dashkal | Bleh, my bios can see it. There has to be a way to see my fan RPMs in linux |
| 02:59.34 | kd3 | lm_sensors |
| 02:59.53 | kd3 | install it, run `sensors-detect` |
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| 03:01.56 | Dagmar | To figure out which bits are accurate and which bits aren't, be prepared to find your flashlight and spygladss |
| 03:02.08 | Dashkal | O.o FATAL: Error inserting it87 (/lib/modules/2.6.31-20-generic/kernel/drivers/hwmon/it87.ko): Device or resource busy |
| 03:02.16 | Dagmar | You'll get a lot of those |
| 03:02.36 | kd3 | oh, I should've mentioned, "run it as root" |
| 03:02.40 | Dashkal | I did |
| 03:02.48 | Jamash | run it as double root\ |
| 03:02.48 | Dagmar | It's "detection" amounts to attempting to load just about each and every module that would drive some sensor chips you might possibly have installed and seeing which ones stick. |
| 03:02.50 | Dashkal | That was in response to sudo modprobe it87 |
| 03:03.22 | Dashkal | Which makes me wonder why the script suggested it... The module won't load |
| 03:03.41 | Dagmar | One of the winbond ones will probably work, and you migh even stumble across support for the temp sensor in your video card in the process |
| 03:03.52 | Dagmar | Dashkal: That's how it _finds out_ what you have |
| 03:04.04 | Dagmar | The modules will refuse to load if the hardware they're looking for isn't present |
| 03:04.25 | Dagmar | ...and this particular rabbit hole goes for miles and miles. |
| 03:04.32 | Dashkal | *nods* |
| 03:04.40 | Dashkal | Regardless, it didn't find any RPM sensors |
| 03:04.49 | Dashkal | Just some temp sensors I already had access to |
| 03:04.54 | Dagmar | Did you build that kernel yourself? |
| 03:04.59 | Dashkal | No, stock ubuntu |
| 03:05.06 | Dashkal | So basically every module available |
| 03:05.10 | Dagmar | Hmm... It should have literally every module already compiled |
| 03:05.17 | Dagmar | Which chip does it thikn you have? |
| 03:05.21 | Jamash | bioses are secret sometimes |
| 03:05.43 | Dashkal | Dagmar: I don't know how to answer that question |
| 03:05.49 | Dagmar | Well, if it's one of the winbond ones, it's probably simply disabled the parsing of the fan sensor info |
| 03:05.51 | Jamash | I know that my old laptop had fan speed controls that weren't available to the user |
| 03:06.05 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Is this a laptop? |
| 03:06.08 | Dashkal | No, desktop |
| 03:06.17 | Dagmar | Do ya know who made it> |
| 03:06.45 | Dashkal | What I'm really trying to find out is what speed the fans in it spin at. I have heat issues and want to upgrade them without forking out for water cooling or similar mesures. |
| 03:07.00 | Jamash | get a water coo... oh |
| 03:07.13 | Dashkal | Not for this machine. Serisouly considering it when I do a real upgrade (soon). |
| 03:07.46 | Jamash | I cool my machine with ice-9 |
| 03:08.34 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Well, just turn off anything like "Cool'n'Quiet" and look at what your BIOS reports |
| 03:08.47 | Dagmar | If it's not reporting, then it likely does *not* have any sensors |
| 03:09.00 | Dashkal | *nods* Yeah, I'll do that. |
| 03:09.07 | Dashkal | Just didn't wanna reboot :P |
| 03:09.14 | Dagmar | Otherwise, when you run sensors-detect you should see something like http://pastebin.ca/1861222 lines 34 and particularly 49 |
| 03:10.06 | Dagmar | Manufacturers like to basically *not* document what wires they connected to what on these chips, so it's often a matter of a lot of Googling and a moderate amount of guessing to get lm_sensors set up correctly |
| 03:10.51 | Dagmar | That's a partial output from my desktop, which is an ASUS M2N68-AM |
| 03:11.04 | Dagmar | It only has two of the three temp inputs connected, but two fan RPM counters |
| 03:11.26 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/135315 |
| 03:11.28 | Dagmar | What _divisor_ it uses is something I've just been too busy to suss out by rebooting 3-4 times and looking |
| 03:11.33 | kd3 | my sensors-detect output ^ |
| 03:11.49 | kd3 | it's not picking up one of my rpm sensors, but oh well |
| 03:12.00 | Dagmar | I think my myth box has that same winbond sensor. Those I've actually grown to expect |
| 03:12.06 | Dashkal | Probing for `ITE IT8201R/IT8203R/IT8206R/IT8266R'... Yes | (confidence 6, not a hardware monitoring chip) |
| 03:12.39 | Dashkal | ahh, there I got it later |
| 03:12.51 | Dashkal | Of course it87 won't load, so *sighs* |
| 03:15.33 | Dagmar | That's the only thing that came even close? |
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| 03:15.53 | Dagmar | Are you using a board mde by PCChips or ECS or something? |
| 03:21.37 | Dagmar | it's still illegal to use a remote incindeary as a security measure, right? |
| 03:21.40 | Dagmar | wrong channel |
| 03:22.10 | Jerub | ask a hunter. |
| 03:22.11 | Torhal | haha |
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| 03:22.41 | Dagmar | Meh. Talking to the mechanic is making me think that someone tazed my scooter |
| 03:22.54 | kd3 | tazed? lmao |
| 03:23.07 | Dagmar | ...probably because of the sticker on it taht says in big letters "Warning: This vehicle is equipped with an embedded GPS tracking device" |
| 03:23.25 | kd3 | dagmar; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katko_v._Briney |
| 03:23.32 | Dagmar | Yeah, It sat all winter not being used so of course the battery died and it wouldn't start because the carb is gummed up |
| 03:23.51 | Dagmar | YEah see mantraps are one thing, scuttlers are another |
| 03:24.06 | Dagmar | I *know* mantraps are illegal because um... I had a few minor ones |
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| 03:24.24 | Dagmar | Nothing lethal, just the usual half dozen flash (and I do mean HALF DOZEN) cubes in a metal-lined box |
| 03:24.39 | Dagmar | Enough to blind someone for a few minutes, nothing more |
| 03:25.10 | Kraps | saints row 2 is :o |
| 03:25.24 | Dagmar | I blew a couple hours poking at the scooter, then talked to a motorcyclist I worked with and bought some ether, went back to the bike, and it was completly dead |
| 03:25.47 | Kraps | i'm playing as an angry latino chick |
| 03:26.29 | Dagmar | After a couple of hours of head scratching at the change in behaviour from just sitting for a week after charging the battery I realized two things... 1. that the little stereo is *also* dead (probably a blown fuse) and that the bike itself is blowing fuses immediately when I turn the ignition to jus tpower it |
| 03:26.33 | Dagmar | So I figured it was a short |
| 03:26.51 | Kraps | shit i just beat a hooker to death |
| 03:27.04 | Kraps | it was an accident! |
| 03:27.07 | Dagmar | Gave it to the scooter shop and this guy is talking to me on the phone about how I should not have used a car to charge it's battery (I know this is fine) and how I supposedly hooked up the battery _backwards_ |
| 03:27.26 | Dagmar | Kraps: Suuuure it was. Just be sure to get away from there before someone else sees or you'll get two stars for it |
| 03:27.27 | MentalPower | FYI: Windows Server + Busted AD + No redundancy + Busted RPC service = Long ass recovery night and even longer day |
| 03:27.55 | Dagmar | There's literally no way I would have connected the jumper cables _backwards_ |
| 03:28.00 | batrick | = Don't use Windows Server ? |
| 03:28.04 | kd3 | ^ |
| 03:28.05 | kd3 | ^^^^ |
| 03:28.08 | Jamash | ^ |
| 03:28.09 | Dagmar | ~batrick++ |
| 03:28.16 | MentalPower | not an option |
| 03:28.30 | MentalPower | unless you know of an EMR program that runs on linux |
| 03:28.57 | Jamash | egyptian mummy revivification? |
| 03:29.04 | Dagmar | Well, I *did*. I wrote part of it, but that company is dead now |
| 03:29.13 | Jamash | error multiplication routine? |
| 03:29.18 | MentalPower | s/EMR program/good EMR program that supports imports from the current EMR program/ |
| 03:29.19 | Dagmar | Electronic Medical Records |
| 03:29.26 | MentalPower | ^^^^ |
| 03:29.59 | batrick | dunno what any of that is |
| 03:30.08 | batrick | but there's probably an OS version of it |
| 03:30.55 | Dagmar | Find the guy in charge of the backups and make him help you |
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| 03:31.11 | MentalPower | you're talking to him... |
| 03:31.27 | MentalPower | self, help me with this |
| 03:31.31 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 03:31.33 | MentalPower | sure self, on my way :) |
| 03:31.35 | batrick | let me guess, the EMR records are in binary format that only this windows program can read |
| 03:31.44 | MentalPower | actually, not really |
| 03:32.00 | batrick | well then you have no problem |
| 03:32.18 | batrick | find a non-shitty EMR program that runs on linux |
| 03:32.23 | MentalPower | the records are in a MS SQL database, and the documents (scanned labs, etc) are in zipped up doc or TIFF files |
| 03:32.32 | batrick | write a program to transfer the records into the other format |
| 03:32.38 | batrick | ??? |
| 03:32.39 | batrick | profit? |
| 03:32.46 | Dagmar | Right so I can at least be reasonably sure that it's not a decendant of MIMS's Pearl app |
| 03:32.50 | Dagmar | We used Oracle |
| 03:32.51 | MentalPower | by tomorrow at 8am? |
| 03:33.04 | batrick | obvious not |
| 03:33.10 | batrick | this is called preventative maintenance |
| 03:33.25 | batrick | obviously you have immediate maintenance that takes precedence |
| 03:33.26 | MentalPower | Dagmar: its a local startup that wrote the software |
| 03:33.45 | Dagmar | _Joy_ |
| 03:33.53 | batrick | ya |
| 03:34.12 | MentalPower | Dagmar: http://www.nd-soft.com/ if you're bored |
| 03:34.47 | batrick | their manual is in MS word format? |
| 03:34.49 | batrick | seriously? |
| 03:35.03 | MentalPower | it gets worse... |
| 03:35.22 | Dagmar | Their coders don't speak English natively either. |
| 03:35.39 | Dagmar | You should ask 'em how that H-1B is workin' out for 'em |
| 03:36.07 | Dagmar | Note the screenshot... "JUAN E DEL PUEBLO Chart's" |
| 03:36.21 | batrick | that is one fucking terrible GUI |
| 03:36.21 | Dashkal | Dagmar: sorry, dinner. When my girlfriend offers steak, I run :P |
| 03:36.25 | Dashkal | Dagmar: http://pastebin.ca/1861247 |
| 03:36.29 | batrick | under allergies: "The patient is allergic to..." |
| 03:36.37 | batrick | wtf is the header for? |
| 03:36.39 | Dashkal | Line 133 is of interest |
| 03:37.00 | batrick | lol |
| 03:37.02 | batrick | wow |
| 03:37.09 | batrick | MentalPower: I suggest you jump ship. |
| 03:37.11 | Dagmar | yes and in a few minutes I might acutally remember the workaround |
| 03:37.16 | Dagmar | It's _probably_ to get a newer kernel |
| 03:37.21 | Dagmar | I ran into this same thing a few months ago |
| 03:37.41 | Dagmar | it87 is being c*ckblocked by ACPI |
| 03:37.56 | Dashkal | heh, good thing it's april. That'll happen in about 2 weeks (ubuntu's about to upgrade) |
| 03:38.05 | Dagmar | Ah the issue should go away then |
| 03:38.12 | Dashkal | Sounds good |
| 03:38.25 | Dashkal | It'd be nice to have a full set of sensors on my temp page. |
| 03:38.27 | Dagmar | ACPI has already reserved that chunk of memory for something else, and the kernel won't let another driver touch it |
| 03:38.34 | MentalPower | Dagmar: they don't need H-1Bs |
| 03:38.54 | Dagmar | MentalPower: They're working remotely from India or Mexico? |
| 03:38.57 | Dashkal | Annoying. Glad I'm about to upgrade. I'm not super keen on compiling my own kernel on ubuntu. |
| 03:39.24 | MentalPower | nop, we're all in Puerto Rico, a US territory, and we're all US citizens |
| 03:39.30 | Dagmar | Ah! |
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| 03:39.56 | MentalPower | but yeah, English is not their forte |
| 03:40.02 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 03:40.16 | Dashkal | Dagmar: Thanks very much for the help. Now to reboot and watch my BIOS. |
| 03:40.45 | Dagmar | They're better than some, but there are telltales in there. Odd grammatical construction, that apostrophe, "associated to" instead of "associated with" etc etc |
| 03:41.21 | MentalPower | remember that paragraph is generated from a bunch of checkboxes |
| 03:42.24 | Dagmar | "Patient denies hoarseness" |
| 03:42.47 | MentalPower | you should see their billing app, it looks like they *really* wanted to use the ribbon interface, but they got fed up with it half way |
| 03:43.23 | MentalPower | and it will stubbornly refuse to run without admin privs |
| 03:43.47 | Dagmar | yeesh |
| 03:43.52 | kd3 | yuck |
| 03:43.59 | Dagmar | Well, it woudn't be the first |
| 03:44.28 | MentalPower | the fun part is that it doesn't actually need them |
| 03:44.39 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.47 | MentalPower | only the update code does |
| 03:45.03 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.09 | kd3 | "but it's too much effort to ask for admin privs only when I need them. let's hold on to them all the time" |
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| 03:45.15 | kd3 | dag; o_O |
| 03:45.39 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.47 | Dashkal | <---- retard |
| 03:46.20 | Dashkal | My case fans aren't plugged into the motherboard, they're plugged directly into the PSU's power octopus. |
| 03:46.22 | Dagmar | Dashkal: You didn't modprobe the module manually after sensors-detect because you dind't realize it *unloads* them all when it's done? |
| 03:46.26 | Dagmar | LOL |
| 03:46.30 | Dagmar | Even better |
| 03:46.32 | Dashkal | Yeah |
| 03:47.18 | Dagmar | kd3: Yeah it's yet another reason I liken being called in on a security consult like being a fireman called to a barn fire to find the barn burned down last year, the horses starved to death before that happened, and the smoke is from the neighbor's grill |
| 03:47.50 | MentalPower | I got one better, this app uses FTP to move the data files around and they decided to use Filezilla. The bad part is that my server is (was) the edge of that network and they did not restrict Filezilla to the internal NIC |
| 03:47.55 | MentalPower | You can figure out the rest |
| 03:48.20 | Dagmar | More than once I absolutely terrified an office manager by them saying "You sure you can take control of that" and me pushing like four buttons and turning the machine off. |
| 03:49.03 | MentalPower | by sheer luck I stumbled upon that and closed the ports (and as part of this rebuild I'm moving the server off edge duties) |
| 03:49.04 | Dagmar | MentalPower: There's a reason I generally decline security consult gigs now man |
| 03:49.16 | Dagmar | They make me wish for the death of humanity |
| 03:49.24 | kd3 | stress is baaad |
| 03:49.42 | Dagmar | Hey it's not *my* network in flames, no real stress on me. |
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| 03:50.18 | Jerub | a mate works for an org that has the delicious job of phoning people to tell them they've been owned. |
| 03:50.24 | MentalPower | I'm by no means an expert, but I follow best practices. Some things are just obvious that you really should not do unless you want to expose your $$$ to the world to steal. |
| 03:50.33 | Dagmar | All I have to do is write out hundreds of pages of the same old crap to tell them "THIS ARE YOUR NEW SECURITY POLICY DOCUMENTS. READ THEM CAREFULLY." ... here's what you should be doing for the next six months to get things up to speed, please don't call me at midnight if someone hacks all your stuff before then. |
| 03:50.34 | Jerub | and he reckons he'd be able to retire by june if he had a $ for every time they said, "no we aren't" |
| 03:50.55 | Dashkal | Bleh, google fails me. I can't get an RPM raiting for this fan (XION RDL1225). |
| 03:50.56 | Dagmar | Yeah they never know |
| 03:51.37 | Dagmar | Dashkal: If it's an 80mm fan you can basically assume it's going to be between 2200 and 2500, although if it's especially loud it could be as high as 4500 (rare) |
| 03:51.57 | Dashkal | 120mm |
| 03:52.01 | kd3 | oh wow. they just outlawed caller ID spoofing |
| 03:52.08 | Dagmar | kd3: lol |
| 03:52.25 | kd3 | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/congress-outlaws-all-caller-id-spoofing-voip-too.ars |
| 03:52.25 | Dagmar | I seriously doubt it will have an impact on anything. |
| 03:52.41 | kd3 | most likely not |
| 03:52.49 | Dagmar | The people doing it are already generally up to no good (fraud, mainly) |
| 03:52.51 | Aqua | A lot of people on voip used to send their own caller id sata |
| 03:53.00 | MentalPower | We have this client who's IP gets blacklisted constantly for spamming. He keeps calling the same nutjob "IT Specialist" who supposedly has every single acronym under his belt. The IP (unsurprisingly) keeps getting blacklisted. |
| 03:53.03 | Aqua | a lot of voip servers could do stuff like that |
| 03:53.25 | Dagmar | Aqua: If you have more than five phone lines the type of connection that goes to your office's PBX is capable of sending any damn caller ID info it pleases |
| 03:53.47 | Aqua | thats why i said voip servers / pbx's |
| 03:53.47 | Dagmar | Not always, but usually. If you actually *have* a PBX you generally have control over reported CID data |
| 03:54.00 | Aqua | yes, true thats not always the case |
| 03:54.15 | Dashkal | Meh. Ok, my temp sensors hover 40-50. Which by all accounts is pretty much fine. Except that I've killed 4 video cards now... |
| 03:54.28 | Dagmar | Dashkal: 8800's? |
| 03:54.41 | Aqua | i'd still like to know how my wow account magically gets "comprised" this afternoon |
| 03:54.42 | MentalPower | in our case its generated by our telco even tho we have a few hundred channels available |
| 03:54.49 | Dashkal | Dagmar: My most recent one was, yes |
| 03:54.51 | Dagmar | ...an if your chassis sensors are reporting 122F something is hellishly wrong |
| 03:54.58 | Dashkal | I couldn |
| 03:55.07 | Corrodias | damn straight |
| 03:55.15 | Dashkal | I couldn't tell you the other three offhand. Though the first two appeared to have issues. I physically melted the fan off of the card. |
| 03:55.41 | Dashkal | The sensors don't come with labels. I believe it's my CPU and Chipset. |
| 03:55.44 | Dagmar | Dashkal: There was a problem with a sizeable number of 8800's that required flashing so the things woudln't overheat |
| 03:56.01 | Dashkal | Bloddy hell |
| 03:56.09 | Dashkal | Wish I had known that before the card stopped working |
| 03:56.31 | Dagmar | Dashkal: The hotter one is generally the CPU so yo ushould be fine there. I dind't look at your sensor output very closely... Did it detect a sensor on your nVidia card? |
| 03:57.59 | Aqua | if your cpu is 122F that is a tad bit warm imo |
| 03:58.13 | Dashkal | Dagmar: No, it didn't appear to find it. The nvidia tool can see a temp of 63 on it (I'm running a 6200 LE at the moment) |
| 03:58.55 | WobWork | http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23songprequels |
| 03:59.06 | Dagmar | nAh okay. If your video cards are suffering that would be the sensor you'll want something *logging* information about while you play |
| 03:59.37 | Dashkal | I'll keep the nvidia tool open next time I get a decent card in there. |
| 03:59.46 | Dagmar | I'd expect to see 122F and maybe even as high as 135F if the machine is under load |
| 03:59.56 | Dashkal | I'm at 118F atm |
| 04:00.01 | Dashkal | Idle CPU |
| 04:00.19 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Nah just dig around for something like MBM (Motherboard MOnitor) that you can leave running and it will log the readings |
| 04:00.40 | Dashkal | *nods* at least if I can get that sensor available through anything other than nvidia's tool |
| 04:00.59 | Dagmar | It's gonna be available over the i2c bus so reading it shouldn't be a big deal |
| 04:01.21 | Dagmar | nVidia isn't real big on proprietary interfaces for their sensors (that I've noticed) |
| 04:01.46 | Dashkal | Nifty, apparently I can make nvidia-settingsd cough out the data |
| 04:02.03 | Dashkal | gnome's system mointor doesn't see anything for it |
| 04:02.13 | Dagmar | It doesn't support that |
| 04:02.25 | Dashkal | Fair enough |
| 04:04.31 | Dagmar | I'm digging around hoping to find something you can use to poll from the command line if need be |
| 04:04.45 | kd3 | nvidia-settings -q GPUCoreTemp |
| 04:05.01 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.30 | Dashkal | hmm, the help on -q suggests that that is an attribute on the X display. |
| 04:06.42 | Dashkal | So I should be able to get at it reasonably easily |
| 04:06.57 | Dagmar | I suspect if you just type what kd3 said it'll just couhg up a number |
| 04:07.01 | Dashkal | I did |
| 04:07.32 | Dashkal | It coughs up quite a bit of garbage aroudn it (nothing a little regex can't fix, but I'd love a simpler output) |
| 04:09.02 | Dashkal | hah, gkrellm can see it. So it's available somehow in a sane manner. |
| 04:10.14 | Dagmar | It's probably askin X |
| 04:10.20 | Dashkal | *nods* |
| 04:10.45 | Dashkal | I'm going to have to dust off my c compilier I suspect. All I want is a cute little applet in my panel. |
| 04:13.09 | kd3 | nvidia-settings -tq [gpu:0]/GPUCoreTemp |
| 04:13.12 | kd3 | a touch less crap |
| 04:13.24 | Dashkal | oooo, pretty |
| 04:13.26 | kd3 | you don't need the [gpu:0]/ bit (I have a few cards installed) |
| 04:13.55 | Dashkal | That's enough that I can now cough up a quick and dirty logging script |
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| 04:16.15 | Dagmar | C compiler? What's wrong with xosd? :) |
| 04:16.30 | DWSR | WOW |
| 04:16.41 | DWSR | They /still/ haven't actually fixed the Tyrannus remount bug. |
| 04:16.49 | DWSR | Even though it's been patched 3 times. |
| 04:16.52 | kd3 | still!? |
| 04:17.05 | kd3 | blah |
| 04:17.17 | Dagmar | He remounts? |
| 04:17.25 | Dagmar | Doesn't that dragon fly a little high for that? |
| 04:17.35 | DWSR | Dagmar: It's a bug. |
| 04:17.37 | DWSR | He shouldn't. |
| 04:17.47 | Dagmar | Let me be clear, I don't want them to take my free mana dragon away |
| 04:18.21 | Dagmar | No hunter should ever run out of mana during that fight in particular |
| 04:18.33 | DWSR | Why the fuck do they even have him ON the dragon? |
| 04:18.47 | DWSR | Have the dragon fly away |
| 04:18.47 | Dagmar | So he can talk down to everyone from up there |
| 04:18.57 | Dagmar | DWSR: THat would be the thing I don't want |
| 04:19.00 | kd3 | dragon's part of the fight, though |
| 04:19.03 | Aqua | do they unlock temp disabled accounts after 8 pacific time? |
| 04:19.14 | Dagmar | If he flies off he'll be much harder to hit with Viper Sting |
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| 16:38.38 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! | Happy Birthday Kaelten! |
| 16:38.53 | Shirik | ~hi |
| 16:38.53 | purl | hello, shirik |
| 16:38.57 | Shirik | ~wiki User talk:Taytay07kid |
| 16:55.01 | Lunessa | Shirik: Purl doesn't want to chat with TayTay, Ok? |
| 16:55.33 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:56.40 | Shirik | so, anyone heard about cpedia? |
| 16:56.54 | Shirik | It's like Wikipedia, but its entire contents are created automatically |
| 16:57.05 | Shirik | I am amused: http://www.cpedia.com/wiki?q=Barack+Obama |
| 16:57.24 | DWSR | Grammar fail Shirik |
| 16:57.37 | Shirik | I like how the first line is "And the thing that I want everybody in this country to understand about Barack is he was doing a lot of the work in the shadows." |
| 16:58.25 | foxlit | complete and utter failure |
| 16:59.11 | Shirik | apparently WoW is all about orgrimmar: http://www.cpedia.com/search?q=world+of+warcraft |
| 16:59.56 | Ackis | http://www.cpedia.com/search?q=ackis :( |
| 17:00.10 | Ackis | hey about the barrack and stuff... what the hell are these tea bagger party shit I read about? |
| 17:00.59 | Ackis | "The departure of Grigsby and Messerly leaves Infinity Ward at least 13 employees weaker since March 1." |
| 17:01.01 | Ackis | Fisker: ^ |
| 17:01.06 | Shirik | I am apparently uber-cute: http://www.cpedia.com/search?q=shirik |
| 17:01.35 | Fisker | this is awesome |
| 17:01.40 | Fisker | i hope activision gets sued to hell |
| 17:01.44 | Fisker | and blizzard gets out of it |
| 17:01.50 | Fisker | and gets published through ea partners or something |
| 17:02.14 | Ackis | Fisker: EA is just as bad look at what they've done to bioware |
| 17:02.33 | Fisker | EA owns bioware? |
| 17:02.42 | DWSR | yes |
| 17:02.49 | Fisker | But EA doesn't own Blizzard |
| 17:03.33 | Ackis | "I also sit amused here at the airport at fact that my big publish I work for hasn't seen bad really bad press for a LONG time! Good job EA!" <-- Bioware producer |
| 17:03.34 | ZorbaTHut | is it bad that my DK is about to enter Wrath with nearly full starting DK gear? :( |
| 17:03.58 | Fisker | yeah Ackis ? |
| 17:04.00 | olafski | you were just in a hurry :) |
| 17:04.13 | Ackis | Fisker: yeah! |
| 17:04.28 | Fisker | i still don't see the point |
| 17:04.30 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: No. |
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| 17:05.47 | ZorbaTHut | it's getting really damn old |
| 17:05.53 | ZorbaTHut | greens would be better than what I've got now |
| 17:05.59 | olafski | especially in northrend |
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| 17:06.10 | olafski | mm 100k xp until I can fly again |
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| 17:07.03 | Kraps | mounts from blizzstore |
| 17:08.15 | Kraps | it flies? |
| 17:08.22 | olafski | yes |
| 17:08.22 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:08.33 | olafski | at 150 or 280% even |
| 17:08.35 | Fisker | It's a star shaped invincible |
| 17:08.44 | Fisker | well not shaped |
| 17:08.46 | Fisker | but whatever :P |
| 17:09.07 | olafski | star spangled? |
| 17:09.21 | Kraps | well, my HHs mount is getting old... |
| 17:09.24 | Kraps | :/ |
| 17:10.16 | Kraps | or is it? |
| 17:10.19 | olafski | mm zul drak sentinel hits quite a bit harder than other rares |
| 17:10.23 | olafski | it's probably more rare kraps :) |
| 17:10.35 | Kraps | yeah |
| 17:11.30 | Ackis | my spectral tiger is old |
| 17:11.35 | Kraps | BUT ITS SO SEXAY http://img227.imageshack.us/i/wowscrnshot041510094539.jpg/ |
| 17:12.00 | Adys | industrial: pong |
| 17:12.22 | Ackis | Kraps: http://i50.tinypic.com/2w3qot1.jpg OWNED |
| 17:12.50 | Kraps | HUR |
| 17:13.04 | Kraps | horse > cat |
| 17:13.43 | olafski | spectral tiger = I have way too much money |
| 17:13.50 | olafski | horse = I like to spend money on pretty things |
| 17:14.03 | olafski | very clear difference imo! |
| 17:14.05 | Fisker | where's the cub from Ackis ? |
| 17:15.25 | Ackis | TCG |
| 17:15.32 | olafski | http://www.wowhead.com/item=49343 |
| 17:15.35 | Ackis | the last set |
| 17:15.39 | Ackis | Scourgewar |
| 17:15.47 | Ackis | has 3 unopened boxes of it sitting at home. |
| 17:16.03 | Ackis | Fisker: the tuskar kite is from that set as well |
| 17:16.17 | Ackis | I wonder if I should try to sell some of my loot cards |
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| 17:19.31 | olafski | I'm going to get some achievements soon ackis! |
| 17:19.34 | Kraps | i kind of agree with people who say its too cool to be purchasable |
| 17:19.36 | Fisker | whatcha got Ackis ? |
| 17:20.27 | olafski | kraps: that's a valid argument |
| 17:20.27 | Kraps | however, with cata, flying multi-passenger mounts wil probably become the norm |
| 17:20.45 | olafski | however "hurhur now you can buy ingame advantages for real cash" is not imo :( |
| 17:21.18 | olafski | us casuals need access to a cool mount too :) |
| 17:21.32 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:21.52 | Kraps | and you can use it on leveling toons /fapfap |
| 17:22.07 | olafski | yer |
| 17:22.10 | Fisker | why doesn't my xt shout " no no no no no"? |
| 17:22.14 | foxlit | so, 20 EUR horsie |
| 17:22.14 | olafski | no word yet on if it will also work if you can't fly tho |
| 17:22.33 | olafski | oh the price is confirmed foxlit? |
| 17:22.33 | olafski | nice |
| 17:22.40 | foxlit | yes, it's live |
| 17:22.55 | Fisker | had it for an hour now |
| 17:23.30 | foxlit | so, fisker, does the horse work in no-fly areas? |
| 17:23.30 | olafski | does it walk, fisker? |
| 17:24.06 | foxlit | [The description kind of suggests that it's a flying mount only] |
| 17:24.46 | Kraps | the animation is running i think |
| 17:25.00 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24261190518&pageNo=1&sid=1 |
| 17:25.07 | Kraps | (if its like the HH mount) |
| 17:25.14 | foxlit | "Think it will be usable outside of flying zones? |
| 17:25.14 | foxlit | Yes. " |
| 17:25.23 | olafski | "Much like the Headless Horseman's mount from the Hallow's End event, the Celestial Steed will automatically upgrade in speed as the player advances in Riding skill. For example, the Celestial Steed will run at normal ground speed if the character knows Apprentice Riding, and epic ground speed with Journeyman Riding. The mount will be able to fly at normal flight speed with Expert Riding, and at epic flight speed with Artisan Riding. In addition |
| 17:25.39 | foxlit | cutoff at "In addition" |
| 17:25.46 | olafski | ah |
| 17:25.48 | olafski | that's the 310% thing |
| 17:25.53 | olafski | very tempting |
| 17:26.03 | kd3 | oh neat. obama's at KSC |
| 17:26.17 | Kraps | you have a 310% olafski? |
| 17:26.19 | Stanzilla | annoying that you have to re-mount to make it fly |
| 17:26.22 | olafski | no kraps |
| 17:26.43 | foxlit | "49% of stock left" |
| 17:26.46 | Kraps | Stanzilla: same with the HH mount |
| 17:27.05 | Stanzilla | yeah :( |
| 17:27.08 | Stanzilla | still sucks |
| 17:27.10 | olafski | very tempting indeed.. my gf will kill me for wasting money like that though |
| 17:27.15 | olafski | .. and then she'll demand I buy her one too |
| 17:27.46 | Kraps | buy love for $50? good deal :p |
| 17:27.50 | olafski | ;) |
| 17:27.59 | olafski | I really should be saving money |
| 17:28.01 | olafski | gotta move soon |
| 17:28.11 | Adys | Currently in Queue... |
| 17:28.12 | Adys | Position: 12658 - Estimated time: 1 |
| 17:28.13 | Adys | What |
| 17:28.14 | Adys | 1 what. |
| 17:28.23 | olafski | I think quite a few people will want this thing |
| 17:28.24 | foxlit | 1 time, Adys |
| 17:28.28 | Kraps | ^ |
| 17:28.28 | olafski | makes it less desirable already :P |
| 17:28.29 | haste | one windows 7 backup made |
| 17:29.00 | olafski | *empties cart* |
| 17:29.19 | Adys | I dont want it because it's pretty |
| 17:29.41 | Kraps | olafski: OH NO YOU DIDNT |
| 17:29.42 | Adys | i want it because DAMMIT i hate not having the "already known" on mounts |
| 17:29.48 | kd3 | lmao |
| 17:30.02 | Ackis | http://cheezdailysquee.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129156760625924582.jpg |
| 17:30.06 | Adys | blizzard knows about my ocd and they're pulling hell to feed it |
| 17:30.06 | olafski | yes I did kraps :( |
| 17:30.17 | foxlit | about an hour, anyhow. |
| 17:30.25 | foxlit | Judging by how fast that position number is moving |
| 17:30.34 | Ackis | Fisker: I only has 1 pet loot card, rest are the 'cheap' ones, or things like the epic purple shirt, weather maker, owned flag |
| 17:30.51 | kd3 | your OCD? I've been running around trying to empty my EveryQuest list... |
| 17:31.00 | kd3 | finally has his ubrs key, by the way |
| 17:31.06 | DWSR | Ackis: Can has owned flag code? |
| 17:31.13 | Ackis | solved his OCD by quitting WoW |
| 17:31.15 | kd3 | wonder how much of ubrs I can solo? |
| 17:31.23 | Ackis | DWSR: :P |
| 17:31.38 | olafski | which class then kd3? |
| 17:31.44 | kd3 | mage |
| 17:31.46 | olafski | hmm |
| 17:32.03 | olafski | does everyquest work well? i.e. not list quests that I can't obtain and such |
| 17:32.37 | kd3 | ya. it's not perfect (listed a few race/class quests I can't do, repeatables), but those are easy to remove from the list |
| 17:32.43 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:32.54 | Fisker | Ackis wat you need for it? |
| 17:33.09 | Fisker | raidleader just told me to gtfo with my "Ready to play" XT :( |
| 17:33.23 | Fisker | When we're buffing i'm just spamming dismiss/summon :D |
| 17:34.12 | Gintaro | :) |
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| 17:36.50 | olafski | ding 77 woot.. flying time |
| 17:37.16 | Jamash | awesome |
| 17:37.33 | olafski | me like flying :< |
| 17:38.04 | Jamash | flying > not flying |
| 17:38.04 | Ackis | The loot cards in Wrathgate are Landroâs Gift, Statue Generator, and Blazing Hippogryph |
| 17:38.10 | Ackis | Adys, Fisker: ^^ |
| 17:38.28 | olafski | quite right jamash |
| 17:38.52 | industrial | Jamash: I wish there was only riding |
| 17:39.05 | industrial | flying made me lazy and not care about the (digital) world around my |
| 17:39.11 | olafski | 100% riding to 280% flying is niice :) |
| 17:39.17 | industrial | I just follow tomtom to where I need to go, check ETA and alt tab away |
| 17:39.28 | olafski | nobody forces you to do that industrial |
| 17:39.35 | Jamash | so uninstall tomtom |
| 17:39.49 | Jamash | PROLEM SOVLED |
| 17:40.07 | industrial | well its not a direct problem. I'm just taking the most efficient route, always. |
| 17:40.24 | olafski | then don't do that |
| 17:40.29 | olafski | just unbind your flying mount |
| 17:40.35 | Jamash | ^ |
| 17:40.43 | olafski | I love being able to zoom past everything |
| 17:40.45 | industrial | I'm just thinking it would be nicer if flying didnt exist (so not just for me) |
| 17:41.07 | Gintaro | DMC! |
| 17:41.10 | olafski | heh krasus landing is filled with celestial steeds |
| 17:41.13 | Jamash | well, in the old world you end up taking flight paths everywhere |
| 17:41.27 | zenzelezz | flying is nice once you've explored everywhere... but I kind of preferred it when we only had land mounts |
| 17:41.50 | olafski | they wouldn't be able to make zones like icecrown and storm peaks without flying tho =( |
| 17:41.50 | DWSR | IN OLD COUNTRY |
| 17:42.24 | Jamash | WIND RIDER FLIES YOU |
| 17:42.24 | zenzelezz | Storm Peaks worked fine mostly |
| 17:42.24 | zenzelezz | without flying |
| 17:42.24 | DWSR | Jamash: That's soviet rusha. |
| 17:42.26 | Jamash | fine whatever |
| 17:42.44 | Jamash | IN OLD COUNTRY, MOUNT REDUCES LAND SPEED BY FIFTY PERCENT |
| 17:43.08 | Gintaro | In soviet russia mount rides you! |
| 17:43.33 | Jamash | I can't load the blizzard store :P |
| 17:45.52 | Gintaro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkpxWZ9k0y0&fmt=18 ! |
| 17:46.30 | Jamash | man I can't tell the difference between that and deathklok |
| 17:46.52 | Gintaro | deathklok? |
| 17:46.56 | NeoTron | zenzelezz: it's a yes and no. flying definitely makes the world smaller |
| 17:46.59 | Jamash | from metalocalypse |
| 17:47.47 | Gintaro | The only reason I'm able to listen to it is because of the anime that uses this music |
| 17:47.50 | Gintaro | which is hilarious |
| 17:48.02 | Shirik | (13:42:12) (Jamash) IN OLD COUNTRY, MOUNT REDUCES LAND SPEED BY FIFTY PERCENT |
| 17:48.03 | Shirik | lol wtf |
| 17:48.26 | Jamash | I dunno, blame DWSR |
| 17:48.38 | DWSR | blame old country. |
| 17:48.59 | Jamash | well for me, old country = poland |
| 17:49.12 | Jamash | so I guess in old country, mount goes backwards EL OH EL |
| 17:50.11 | Gintaro | In soviet russia cou try leads you! I poland country is not led at all! |
| 17:50.19 | Gintaro | s/cou try/country/ |
| 17:51.08 | DWSR | rofl |
| 17:51.26 | Gintaro | Or is it too soon? |
| 17:51.39 | Jamash | TOO SOON |
| 17:51.57 | Jamash | in old country, too soon is not soon enough |
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| 17:58.38 | Lunessa | http://bobshouseofvideogames.com/2010/04/11/video-game-lol-soap/ |
| 18:05.03 | Gintaro | So you're into that kind of thing |
| 18:07.26 | Gintaro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUAU7r9akfs&fmt=18 DMC! |
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| 18:09.24 | Adys | Currently in Queue...Position:Â 69Â -Â Estimated time:Â Under a minute |
| 18:09.25 | Adys | what |
| 18:09.29 | Adys | what is he insinuating |
| 18:09.36 | foxlit | "48% of stock left" |
| 18:09.48 | Gintaro | So its a limited item? |
| 18:10.19 | Gintaro | Or will they up the stock as they did with the pets |
| 18:10.39 | Kraps | latter likely |
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| 18:26.00 | Shirik | when is mother's day? |
| 18:26.15 | TC-Away | every day you horrible child |
| 18:26.18 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:26.39 | Shirik | sunday may 9 |
| 18:26.40 | olafski | second sunday in may according to wikipedia |
| 18:26.45 | Pneumatus | been and gone in the UK |
| 18:26.50 | Shirik | so why am I getting emails saying "omg last chance buy your mother's day gifts now!!" |
| 18:26.54 | olafski | I'd think you of all people would know to wiki it first :P |
| 18:27.17 | Shirik | no |
| 18:27.22 | Shirik | I rely on this channel for my information |
| 18:27.36 | kd3 | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=when+is+mother%27s+day%3F |
| 18:27.39 | Thunder_Child | thats like trusting 4chan |
| 18:27.52 | Shirik | no it's like 4chan with a review board |
| 18:27.55 | Shirik | see, we have Fisker |
| 18:27.58 | Shirik | then we have the rest of you |
| 18:28.06 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i should hope not |
| 18:28.08 | Adys | !api mailtext |
| 18:28.09 | Lunessa | Shirik: Because shipping can be a bitch-kitty for events which have lots of mailed packages. |
| 18:28.11 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'mailtext'. |
| 18:28.25 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: you might hope not, but you would be wrong |
| 18:28.38 | Jamash | lol, butts |
| 18:31.32 | Lunessa | Shirik: I take offense at being compared to 4chan, even with a peer-review. |
| 18:31.41 | Shirik | not you Lunessa |
| 18:31.44 | Shirik | Fisker is the 4chan part |
| 18:31.53 | Kraps | in what city was the Boston Massacre? |
| 18:31.55 | Lunessa | Very well, then. Carry on. |
| 18:31.56 | haste | if Fisker is 4chan, then what am I? |
| 18:32.02 | Jamash | Lichtenstein |
| 18:32.21 | Lunessa | haste: alt.jokes.tasteless ? |
| 18:32.21 | Kraps | thats a country |
| 18:32.27 | Jamash | I know! |
| 18:32.44 | haste | Lunessa: are my joke tasteless :( ? |
| 18:33.04 | Lunessa | No, but I was looking for a fast, mildly funny reply. |
| 18:33.20 | Jamash | I'm originally from alt.religion.kibology |
| 18:34.02 | haste | I'm going to put on Dr Murkewerkdichliebe and pretend nothing happened! |
| 18:34.10 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 18:34.12 | DWSR | NEW ZP is win |
| 18:34.15 | Lunessa | Funny, I'm originally from California. Much easier. |
| 18:34.20 | Kraps | Jamash: sounds like an awesome country btw |
| 18:34.46 | Jamash | well, alt.religion.kibology by way of california |
| 18:34.52 | Jamash | or vice versa |
| 18:35.29 | Kraps | i'm originally from my mothers womb |
| 18:36.02 | foxlit | teehee, it's a four hour queue now |
| 18:37.25 | Kraps | foxlit: how long does it take to dump some bits? |
| 18:37.42 | foxlit | If they're credit card processing bits, presumably an eternity |
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| 18:38.42 | Kraps | if Wired is right, paypal is the wave of all future transactions |
| 18:39.07 | Lunessa | As much as I find usefulness in paypal, I hope not. |
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| 18:47.32 | foxlit | Meh, so their pesky checkout queue page is roken, as well. |
| 18:47.43 | DWSR | Like your English? |
| 18:48.12 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 18:48.38 | foxlit | I suppose that'd work if I randomly stopped responding and resumed conversation from the start. |
| 18:48.52 | DWSR | <foxlit>Meh, so their pesky checkout queue page is roken, as well. |
| 18:49.01 | DWSR | queue page is roken, |
| 18:49.04 | DWSR | \roken, |
| 18:49.04 | eidolarr | HA HA HA HE MISPELLED ROKEN |
| 18:49.05 | eidolarr | I GET IT |
| 18:49.07 | eidolarr | THAT IS WITTY |
| 18:49.12 | DWSR | Thanks. |
| 18:49.13 | DWSR | I try. |
| 18:49.16 | Jamash | you misspelled "misspelled" |
| 18:49.20 | eidolarr | you missed my embedded joke |
| 18:49.23 | eidolarr | oh no you didnt |
| 18:50.54 | Jamash | I am watching a video of a cat using the ipad |
| 18:51.05 | Jamash | this is it, folks, this is the peak of human civilization |
| 18:51.29 | Jamash | we have advanced to the point that now the cats can take over |
| 18:51.59 | Jamash | they were just lounging about and waiting for us to do the heavy lifting |
| 18:52.17 | kd3 | that sounds about right |
| 18:52.20 | kd3 | glances at his cat |
| 18:52.43 | eidolarr | i saw that, i was surprised that the cat was entertained despite it being a slick surface |
| 18:53.07 | Jamash | now I need to persuade my sister to get her dog an ipad |
| 18:56.09 | Lunessa | Cat + iPad + 3G = World Domination |
| 18:56.33 | kd3 | hm... obama's speaking at KSC. let's see if we're going back to the moon |
| 18:56.42 | Jamash | one of these days |
| 18:56.51 | Lunessa | kd3: Not during his administration. |
| 18:57.11 | Lunessa | lives near the Johnson Space Center and feels the pain. |
| 18:58.03 | eidolarr | i thought he relented |
| 18:58.07 | Jamash | he should reallocate the money we're wasting on the ISS to something of scientific use |
| 18:58.36 | Kraps | what was canceled,moon or mars? |
| 18:58.43 | kd3 | the constellation program itself |
| 18:58.58 | Jamash | space elevator yo |
| 18:59.04 | Jamash | make it happen |
| 18:59.28 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.49 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:02.18 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 19:04.10 | Kraps | alestane can do it |
| 19:04.27 | alestane | ... |
| 19:04.53 | Jamash | you can do anything... at zombocom |
| 19:04.54 | alestane | ...why do I get this feeling that I just got an Opus nomination? |
| 19:05.43 | Jamash | you've been nominated to send humanity to the stars |
| 19:07.01 | Jamash | first up, space elevator |
| 19:07.05 | Jamash | second, moon colony |
| 19:13.36 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: they need to open a museum. |
| 19:14.08 | Cairenn | indeed |
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| 19:22.56 | Matsy | Hai |
| 19:25.53 | Cairenn | hi |
| 19:28.01 | Matsy | I'm glad this all works at Windows Server 2008 R2 |
| 19:28.03 | Fisker | does the heal from Mark of the champion not proc on a priest until the angel thingy dies? |
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| 19:37.32 | Lunessa | Greetings Starfighter. You have been chosen to defend the Frontier agains Zur and the Kodan Armada. |
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| 19:41.04 | alestane | DEATH BLOSSOM! |
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| 19:45.57 | alestane | When the Protoss Phoenix still had its overload ability, that was always what it made me think of. |
| 19:50.31 | Cide | I wish it did |
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| 19:57.00 | Lunessa | That movie had all kinds of things wrong with it... And I still love it. Alex Rogan, STARFIGHTER |
| 19:58.03 | olafski | mm.. raising a paypal dispute apparently is a better way of getting a webshop's attention than just emailing them |
| 19:58.25 | Mihau | Yep. |
| 19:58.33 | Mihau | Threaten their money instead of their ears. |
| 19:58.54 | Shirik | wait Cide |
| 19:58.59 | olafski | they basically told me the same as what they said over a week ago, but at least now paypal knows that I've tried to solve it :) |
| 19:59.01 | Shirik | are your flights cancelled because of the volcano? |
| 19:59.11 | Cide | yes |
| 19:59.16 | Shirik | I didn't know you were that close |
| 19:59.17 | Cide | every flight in all of sweden |
| 19:59.30 | Cide | and like half of europe |
| 19:59.30 | Lunessa | Ugh. |
| 19:59.36 | Shirik | also, I think the world is coming to an end |
| 19:59.40 | Shirik | earthquakes, volcanos |
| 19:59.44 | olafski | volcano? oO |
| 19:59.46 | Shirik | next comes the meteor shower |
| 19:59.48 | Lunessa | Dogs and Cats living together? |
| 20:01.00 | olafski | wow I really should start watching the news again |
| 20:06.55 | durcyn | so the google text advertisement for this site that calculates that value of Steam accounts, is for... boilers. someone's getting their adwords money worth. |
| 20:07.09 | durcyn | in other news, my account's worth $4000, holy fuck. |
| 20:08.15 | olafski | cool |
| 20:08.18 | olafski | where can I see mine? :) |
| 20:08.21 | kd3 | hell, most of UK is grounded right now iirc |
| 20:08.34 | durcyn | steamcalculator.com |
| 20:08.53 | ZorbaTHut | man, mine's only $2400 |
| 20:09.45 | ZorbaTHut | it's got some counting issues |
| 20:09.55 | ZorbaTHut | it's considernig each wallace and gromit game to be $29, and it's not smart enough to buy things in packs. |
| 20:10.28 | durcyn | yeah, that data isn't published |
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| 20:10.36 | durcyn | so it just uses individual item normal price |
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| 20:10.47 | olafski | $74.89 USD |
| 20:10.48 | olafski | :)) |
| 20:11.14 | Thunder_Child | $189.82 USD for me |
| 20:11.16 | olafski | eh it's counting a bunch of games that were free :/ |
| 20:11.51 | olafski | hl2dm: $4.99, hl2 lost coast: $9.99 |
| 20:11.51 | olafski | etc |
| 20:12.04 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I got a huge pile of games via christmas sales |
| 20:12.22 | ZorbaTHut | naturally it's counting those all up individually |
| 20:13.13 | olafski | these games were never not-free though were they? |
| 20:13.22 | foxlit | sigh, macheist |
| 20:13.29 | olafski | I'd never have paid money for them |
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| 20:20.56 | foxlit | on the bright side, my mail aliasing scheme works perfectly |
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| 20:35.10 | mikma | http://www.walyou.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/the-flash-iphone-ipad-spoof.jpg |
| 20:39.24 | Kandoko | Currently in Queue...Position: 75552 - Estimated time: 6 hours You'd think I was trying to buy bliz con tickets, only store I know that has this "feature" |
| 20:42.59 | olafski | lol mikma :D |
| 20:43.43 | Hjalte | mikma: Nice one :) |
| 20:45.37 | Arrowmaster | haste: i blame you, now i cant stop playing EoSD |
| 20:47.04 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 20:47.08 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 20:47.09 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 20:49.21 | olafski | my connection is fisker'd :( |
| 20:49.54 | Ackis | why Fisker? |
| 20:49.59 | Ackis | I just logged back into IRC |
| 20:50.10 | Ackis | fyi http://cryptozoic.posterous.com/cryptozoic-internal-sneak-preview-contest chance to win a trip to Irvine, CA |
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| 20:53.18 | olafski | did you step on the cable ackis? :( |
| 20:53.33 | Ackis | what cable? |
| 20:53.49 | olafski | the internets cable |
| 20:53.56 | olafski | I couldn't connect to anything outside .nl for a few minutes |
| 20:54.03 | Ackis | ah |
| 20:54.05 | Ackis | lulz |
| 20:54.12 | olafski | and now I bet my warrior is lying dead on the ground in icecrown |
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| 21:24.53 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck my steam account is only worth $741.51 USD? |
| 21:25.31 | cbreak | it's probably worth 0$ |
| 21:25.37 | cbreak | unless you can find someone to pay you more |
| 21:25.55 | Arrowmaster | http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/arrowmaster |
| 21:26.59 | Arrowmaster | i had just cause? |
| 21:27.03 | Arrowmaster | i didnt realize that |
| 21:27.26 | Ackis | Ackis > Arrowmaster |
| 21:27.27 | Ackis | http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/Ackis |
| 21:27.46 | Ackis | nifty site Arrowmaster |
| 21:27.52 | Ackis | They're missing games however I think |
| 21:28.00 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: whats your steam id? |
| 21:28.29 | Fisker | my steam id is your mom |
| 21:28.41 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: that's a secret, man. |
| 21:29.02 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: you bought fallout 1 and 2 on steam? you poor poor man |
| 21:29.15 | Ackis | yeah :( |
| 21:29.19 | Ackis | I haven't played them at all |
| 21:29.26 | Arrowmaster | did they ever fix them? |
| 21:29.51 | Ackis | I don't know lol |
| 21:30.30 | Fisker | btw Ackis |
| 21:30.33 | durcyn | the steam copies work fine, it's just a dosbox wrapper |
| 21:30.35 | Arrowmaster | the publisher gave steam a copy using a fan made windows xp patch and a fan made total conversion plus they botched the versioning up so its like a mix of the US release and some other release with censoring |
| 21:30.36 | Fisker | the XT pet is a permanent train wrecker :D |
| 21:30.54 | Fisker | sounds highly illegal Arrowmaster |
| 21:30.58 | Arrowmaster | it was |
| 21:31.08 | Arrowmaster | no clue if they fixed it or not |
| 21:31.17 | Fisker | I guess they would've |
| 21:31.22 | Fisker | atleast fixed it so it no longer is illegal |
| 21:31.29 | Fisker | it's the same with the Stalker game |
| 21:31.43 | Fisker | they can't get the newest patch because it's not officially endorsed by the publisher |
| 21:31.57 | Fisker | however there's apparently some multiplayer issue so you need that patch to play multiplayer |
| 21:31.59 | Fisker | :e |
| 21:32.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats the problem when its just the publisher putting stuff on steam and other download services, it kinda becomes a second class product |
| 21:33.50 | Arrowmaster | ive heard of stuff on direct2drive being patches behind because theyve been waiting on the publisher to give them a nocd version of the new patch, so people are stuck without multiplayer |
| 21:34.00 | durcyn | oh, nice, if you set kde4 to use a custom browser, but leave the field blank, it launches konqueror uri-handler stubs for the rest of time |
| 21:34.23 | Arrowmaster | and one of those games the publisher gave direct2drive a nocd from a scene release group |
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| 21:35.09 | Ackis | whew I had to post that steam link to twitter and facebook! |
| 21:35.10 | sag_ich_nicht | wanna hear something really funny? |
| 21:35.28 | sag_ich_nicht | games that use games for windows live all share their CD key. |
| 21:35.43 | Ackis | what do you mean share? |
| 21:36.01 | sag_ich_nicht | as in, buy GTA4 and theoretically the same CD key would also activate Resident Evil 5 |
| 21:36.11 | Ackis | oh didn't know that |
| 21:36.14 | cbreak | what do you mean with windows live? Is there a windows death? |
| 21:36.23 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart cbreak |
| 21:36.23 | purl | beats cbreak senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 21:36.26 | Kraps | Ackis: i'm sure theres an app that will cross-post for you |
| 21:36.41 | Ackis | Kraps: I prefer to do it myself, it's more personal that way |
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| 21:37.04 | Kraps | eyes Ackis and backs away |
| 21:39.34 | Fisker | it's a shame sag_ich_nicht |
| 21:39.43 | Fisker | you could pirate every game and just use free "The Club" cd-keys |
| 21:39.48 | Fisker | but they fixed that |
| 21:39.54 | Fisker | also not all games use that system anymore |
| 21:39.55 | Kraps | "WTF is an authenticator? I just spent 1.5 hours in a queue and am down to 14k and how I hear about authenticators? Is this something that affects EU sales?"" |
| 21:40.09 | Fisker | ""? |
| 21:40.21 | Fisker | i'm insane though |
| 21:40.23 | Kraps | facebook: dumber then the wow forums |
| 21:40.27 | Fisker | killed Deathbringer Saurfang on heroic |
| 21:40.28 | Fisker | pew pew |
| 21:42.17 | Thrae | Fisker: That's nothing. I killed Saurfang on ICC 40-man Heroic. There he has an evil twin called Maurfang that needs to be tanked by Healers. |
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| 21:44.40 | Fisker | i don't believe you |
| 21:45.30 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/24261190747/thread-censorship-resembles-communist-russia/ |
| 21:46.06 | Kraps | i said bashiok is strange |
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| 21:48.58 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/24262390686/blues-here-should-stop-saying/ |
| 21:49.35 | Kraps | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclysm/features/vashjir.html |
| 21:49.55 | Kraps | k those are the important wow links for now |
| 21:51.00 | foxlit | fs, youtube, quit changing output html |
| 21:56.36 | foxlit | If you wanted to cast a spell from your pet's spellbook, would you still use /cast? |
| 21:57.32 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 21:58.09 | Kraps | "lol, now people will have to decide over buying the newly released Farmville Gift Cards (Facebook flash game) or a mount for WoW. :p " |
| 21:59.02 | Dagmar | What would make money is a way to pay five bucks to have a forum whiner slapped in the face. |
| 21:59.31 | Dagmar | The misbehaviour on the forums is just saddening today |
| 22:09.30 | cbreak | blizzard can't convert currencies. |
| 22:09.39 | Dagmar | Visa can |
| 22:10.08 | Kraps | so is it really activision? |
| 22:10.41 | Kraps | or would blizz have had a store anyway? |
| 22:11.03 | Dagmar | If you had even just a million players, would you not open a store to sell stuff to them? |
| 22:11.29 | Dagmar | ...or would you risk the F&A guys jumping you in the parking lot after work? |
| 22:11.45 | Kraps | f&a? |
| 22:11.51 | Dagmar | Finance |
| 22:12.20 | Dagmar | Finance and Administration is usually the people tasked with making sure development doesn't spend you into the poorhouse, bills get paid, and money comes in |
| 22:12.32 | Kraps | you could argue that they opened the store right when acti bought them |
| 22:12.59 | Dagmar | It was likely cooking for months before then |
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| 22:15.14 | Kraps | "An American business in a capitalist society wants to make money!!! QUICK, SOMEBODY CALL THE INTERNET!!!" |
| 22:15.57 | Dagmar | Dude when management chews on something that big for less than a month, it's usually layoffs |
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| 22:16.45 | Dagmar | I think it's safe to say if Blizzard had layoffs their biggest problem would be digging their way through all the money piled up at the door to their offices. |
| 22:16.54 | Kraps | lol |
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| 22:18.53 | Kraps | i bet the idea for this mount was given by a low level art guy and everyone politely applauds the idea and he'll never know what an impact it had :p |
| 22:19.36 | zenzelezz | nah |
| 22:19.51 | zenzelezz | the VP's daughter drew it and it was so cute they couldn't pass it up |
| 22:20.55 | Adys | industrial: just to piss you off and to brag like an idiot |
| 22:20.58 | Adys | 26th bg won in a row. |
| 22:21.10 | industrial | o_O |
| 22:21.30 | Adys | premades are for losers. random > * |
| 22:22.04 | industrial | I've picked up PVP on my hunter again today, apparently I can kill people in pvp now. |
| 22:22.14 | Adys | you go girl |
| 22:22.17 | industrial | I suck assssss with elemental shaman :( |
| 22:22.28 | Adys | learned with bibi? |
| 22:22.33 | industrial | bibi? |
| 22:22.39 | Adys | Bibi loves sucking asses. |
| 22:22.46 | industrial | I see |
| 22:24.04 | Kraps | "Blizz really doesnt need the extra money" |
| 22:24.09 | Kraps | WTF |
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| 22:25.47 | Adys | i enter eots |
| 22:25.53 | Adys | 3 ally bases, 0 horde bases |
| 22:26.21 | cbreak | grats |
| 22:29.18 | Thunder_Child | ok, CS5 is going to be pure win |
| 22:31.05 | Lunessa | I will admit it looks pretty impressive. |
| 22:32.17 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCjuFpQ3EeA |
| 22:34.01 | Adys | Thunder_Child: link? |
| 22:34.15 | Thunder_Child | Adys: http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/photoshop/whatsnew/index.html?segment=photography |
| 22:34.27 | Thunder_Child | Content-aware fill and pupper warp is pure win |
| 22:34.33 | Thunder_Child | puppet* |
| 22:34.56 | Lunessa | Wait, there's a queue to buy the mount? |
| 22:35.26 | Adys | content-aware fill exists in gimp plugins |
| 22:35.34 | Adys | foxlit: unfunny |
| 22:35.43 | Adys | i never liked TB's arrogance but this is just stupid |
