| 00:00.46 | Thrae | Is UnitAura faster if you give it a spellname to look for? |
| 00:00.59 | alestane | Rather than? |
| 00:01.07 | Thrae | Rather then going through all 40 possibilities. |
| 00:01.32 | Thrae | Calling it three times for three possible spells sounds much better than calling it up to 40 times. |
| 00:01.58 | Thrae | Using GetSpellInfo(id) for the localized spell name. |
| 00:05.28 | Antiarc | Man, the WoW forums logins are still down |
| 00:06.29 | Kraps | what happened at the streamys? |
| 00:08.04 | Kraps | they didnt vet the entertainment or something? |
| 00:09.23 | Kraps | streaker :o |
| 00:09.48 | Kraps | "Unfortunately Sundayâs event â sponsored by Kodak, IKEA and Trident amongst others â included skits about women body parts, a fake porn producer award, streakers and what looked like an on stage assault during one award presentation." |
| 00:11.20 | Kraps | http://www.endofshow.com/2010/04/12/2nd-streamy-awards-descend-into-farce/ |
| 00:24.04 | Kraps | sad |
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| 00:28.38 | Thrae | Man, addon coding can become more and more complicated as you want to add more and more features. But for now, "StupidAuras" will warn people about Crusader Aura, ASpect of the Pack, and/or ASpect of the Cheetah if you (the player) gets into combat. |
| 00:29.28 | Thrae | It was made on another addon called damn-crusaderaura which I felt wasn't working, and rightfully so it was using the wrong events. |
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| 00:35.12 | WobWork | same idea as Don'tDazeMeBro? |
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| 00:51.15 | Dagmar | If you'd run faster instead of standing around gawping the dazing wouldn't be a problem. ;) |
| 00:53.47 | Adys | in the did you know category |
| 00:54.04 | Adys | there is no hostility/reaction system in wow |
| 00:54.26 | Adys | it's funny how many people take it for granted |
| 00:56.10 | Dagmar | So, those kobolds just attack because we're not a mamber of the Candle Worshipper faction then? |
| 00:56.21 | Lopeppeppy | You no take candle! |
| 00:56.57 | Adys | Dagmar: of the Monster (Hostile) faction |
| 00:56.58 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/f/14/monster/ |
| 00:59.14 | Cide | so me and shirik are owning it up in sc2 |
| 00:59.17 | Cide | 3-0 streak today |
| 00:59.21 | Cide | and we get demoted a league |
| 00:59.24 | Cide | bastards |
| 00:59.28 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik is badass. |
| 00:59.32 | Adys | because you guys suck |
| 01:02.55 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.35 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.56 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.24 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.04 | Adys | I should make an IRC client that trims leading spaces just to fuck with people |
| 01:08.44 | WobWork | Dagmar: hm. Work Laptop? |
| 01:09.01 | Dagmar | Wobwork: Yes. |
| 01:09.11 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.22 | Jamash | what's the deal with leading spaces? |
| 01:09.33 | Jerub | Dagmar: i love those shitstorms. |
| 01:09.58 | Jerub | Dagmar: my personal favourite was the 'IT Guy' walking around with a pen and paper asking the question, "What is your username and password" |
| 01:10.01 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.12 | Jerub | the only correct answer imho was "No" and I got the list he'd collected thusfar destoyed. |
| 01:10.27 | Dagmar | Jerub: Yeah I don't know if someone was trying to pull that crap on us at work one day or not |
| 01:10.37 | Jerub | (the eventual goal was to add our organisations usernames and passwords to the spreadhseet of all usernames and passwords used in the entire organisation) |
| 01:10.53 | Dagmar | Jerub: I just know that my group immediately went to our boss and asked what freaking lunatic in upper management signed off on it |
| 01:10.54 | Jamash | Jerub: Wow. |
| 01:11.09 | Dagmar | Then we *all* changed our passwords |
| 01:11.48 | Dagmar | So yeah, per request, I gave my laptop password to an idiot secretary, in plaintext and on paper |
| 01:11.54 | Dagmar | ...and then I changed it. |
| 01:12.51 | Jerub | Dagmar: oh, no, i didn't do that. if I'd done that nothing would've changed from a management level. |
| 01:13.14 | Dagmar | Then again, this is the same company whose collective heads are so far up their asses that when we outlined for them a system of change managment to prevent any more unexpected dis-coordinations from flooding our network with looped garbage, that management took it, chewed on it for a few days and came back with... |
| 01:13.24 | Jerub | Dagmar: I said 'no' to him, he tattled to me to his boss, who tattled to his boss, who asked my boss to coerce me, and my boss exploded like pedobear at a wiggles concert. |
| 01:13.36 | Dagmar | ...their idea of "change management" which was a system by which they could fill out forms to request changes be made. |
| 01:13.44 | Corrodias | Jerub: i love you |
| 01:15.13 | Jerub | Corrodias: :D |
| 01:15.24 | Jerub | What was really fun was a few weeks later |
| 01:16.12 | Jerub | (context is new parent company pushing their massive IT infrastructure into our company that was 100 people and had 1 IT guy we fired because he had nothing to do) |
| 01:16.25 | Jerub | they had to migrate everyone's mail from their local desktops to the exchange servers. |
| 01:16.44 | Jerub | So it meant that one of their guys had to go to every PC in the entire org, reconfigure it, and transfer all the mail over. |
| 01:17.14 | Jerub | So I suggested a perl script that with a few modifications could be used to import their mail wholesale, going from the netscape mbox format via imap to the exchange server. |
| 01:17.15 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 01:17.26 | Jerub | so they asked me kindly to do the mods to the script. |
| 01:17.38 | Jerub | so i asked them kindly ask my boss for permission to use my time. |
| 01:18.20 | Jerub | So then when they were doing the mail transfers by hand they knew that I had the power to within half an hour finish their entire job for them, and had to spend all week doing it while i was istting not 10-20 meters from them. |
| 01:18.31 | Jerub | :D :D :D |
| 01:18.50 | Jerub | (these bastards were also trying to take away my linux desktop. From My Cold Dead Grasp.) |
| 01:19.17 | Corrodias | hah, impressive |
| 01:19.19 | Dagmar | Jerub: Yeah, the laptop I use here has VirtuaBox on it now |
| 01:19.25 | Dagmar | They're not about to be taking that image away from me |
| 01:20.02 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.11 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: how badly did you threaten them if they touched your linux desktop? |
| 01:20.21 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.25 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.03 | Corrodias | recorder? sound recorder? |
| 01:22.21 | WobWork | ~logs |
| 01:22.22 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily |
| 01:22.25 | WobWork | Jamash: ^ |
| 01:22.42 | Dagmar | No, the thing that lets you record and play back mouse movements and keystroke |
| 01:23.01 | WobWork | make the username and passwords something obscene |
| 01:23.09 | WobWork | they can't complain about passwords being obscene |
| 01:23.18 | Dagmar | This laptop is going to start running that programs search function saving the result, and then closing hte app, over and over and over tonight after I leave |
| 01:23.30 | WobWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.31 | Dagmar | Takes about 40 seconds |
| 01:23.46 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: I didn't threaten. |
| 01:23.55 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: I said, 'No'. |
| 01:23.59 | Arrowmaster | evil glare? |
| 01:24.03 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.30 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.12 | WobWork | "I just wanted to be sure. Why, -I- didn't know it was mailing stuff. Was it -supposed- to do that? Well! FANCY THAT!" |
| 01:25.37 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.49 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.51 | WobWork | "I felt that if I ran it twice, it'd be TWICE AS SECURE. Extrapolate from that, I wanted to be REALLY SECURE" |
| 01:25.57 | Jerub | http://store.glennz.com/bigmeal.html |
| 01:25.59 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.01 | Arrowmaster | maybe you should see a doctor about that |
| 01:26.12 | Lopeppeppy | Antibiotics might help |
| 01:26.49 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.00 | WobWork | Dagmar: indeed =) |
| 01:27.13 | WobWork | A terrible side effect to be sure |
| 01:27.19 | WobWork | BUT I WANTED TO BE SECURE =P |
| 01:27.20 | Dagmar | Yeah and totally not my problem |
| 01:27.46 | WobWork | Dagmar: create a virtualbox |
| 01:27.50 | WobWork | and have it running 24/7 |
| 01:28.13 | WobWork | and refuse to shut it off, cause then "the hackers might get in" |
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| 01:42.10 | DWSR | It's not so much a question of how big your sack is, but rather how much your supervisor will put up with |
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| 02:00.35 | Jerub | WobWork: know anyone at realestate.com.au ? |
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| 02:34.24 | Gintaro | reading through 60 pages of FML cause I have nothing better to do ... FML |
| 02:40.13 | Shirik | adult swim is so awesome |
| 02:40.57 | Shirik | commercial: <dramatically> "It is the first adult swim exclusive to win the prestigous Peabody award." <still dramatically> "It will likely be the ONLY adult swim exclusive to ever win the prestigous Peabody award." |
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| 02:41.10 | Shirik | they just tell it like it is |
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| 02:41.48 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOjGaoi5XrQ |
| 02:58.37 | industrial | heh we downed patchie with 5 people 1 min before server shutdown and 5 seconds after enrage :P |
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| 03:01.44 | WobWork | Jerub: what, personally? |
| 03:04.24 | WobWork | should I? =\ |
| 03:07.17 | Jerub | WobWork: i'm trying ot find someone so i can tell them to fix their stupid webserver |
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| 03:29.48 | Jerub | the Starveling Cat! louder than a dog! taller than a rat! |
| 03:35.08 | Kraps | hey Mercedes-Benz, a preowned Mercedes-Benz is NOT an heirloom |
| 03:36.01 | Iriel | Yeah, it totally doesn't scale with level |
| 03:36.22 | Kraps | i know right |
| 03:37.14 | mikma | i know left too |
| 03:38.26 | Gintaro | Kraps: for something to be an heirloom, wouldn't it have to be preowned? |
| 03:39.38 | Kraps | Gintaro: buying a preowned car and passing it down, no |
| 03:39.55 | Gintaro | What about a classic? |
| 03:40.24 | WobWork | well |
| 03:40.32 | WobWork | what's the definition of an heirloom? |
| 03:40.50 | Gintaro | and btw, mount hyal in cataclysm, awesome |
| 03:41.12 | Gintaro | something of value passed down generations? |
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| 03:42.32 | Dagmar | It's an heirloom if the former uncle of yours who previous owned it jumped off a building and willed it to you |
| 03:43.10 | Dagmar | It's _especially_ an heirloom if he locked himself in the garage with the engine running and sat tranquilly in the driver's seat waiting to die |
| 03:43.11 | Gintaro | or an open pollinated plant, normally a flower, vegetable or fruit, that has been cultivated for more than 50 years. |
| 03:43.34 | Gintaro | according to gardening terminology |
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| 03:44.02 | Gintaro | suffocating sucks |
| 03:44.27 | Gintaro | panic, adrenaline etc etc |
| 03:44.38 | Cairenn | WobWork: it's a device used to weave hair into a fabric |
| 03:44.43 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 03:45.17 | ZorbaTHut | that would be "hairloom". an heirloom is clearly a device used to weave your children into a fabric. |
| 03:45.22 | ZorbaTHut | spelling is important. *nods* |
| 03:45.23 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:50.15 | Gintaro | :) |
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| 03:52.51 | Jerub | :( |
| 03:52.58 | Jerub | i think wow just got wrecked for my warrior |
| 03:53.13 | Jerub | first dungeon last night that had a DK DPS. |
| 03:53.26 | Jerub | i hit level 53 and there was a DK who elected to do BRD and ended up in my group :( |
| 03:57.18 | Gintaro | bah ofcourse, realms are offline in the EU |
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| 04:00.35 | elec29a | yes its bad to be drunken and servers offline no /2 flame 4 me |
| 04:01.25 | foohey | hi |
| 04:02.24 | elec29a | and 2 months ago you did say to me there is no function to call spellbyid but there was a luaninja.dll it was possible :) mmmmmm most answers are lies :( |
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| 04:11.39 | Jerub | omg omg omg |
| 04:11.40 | Jerub | http://blog.stackexchange.com/post/518474918/stack-exchange-2-0 |
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| 04:17.32 | Torhal | Cairenn: Kill this guy, please. He speaks of exploits. |
| 04:17.44 | Torhal | Or Shirik, or Shadowed |
| 04:17.48 | Torhal | Or someone |
| 04:17.52 | Shadowed | who |
| 04:18.01 | Shadowed | oh |
| 04:18.33 | Shadowed | elec29a: Quite sure we've given you multiple warnings that this isn't the channel to discuss exploits for WoW. |
| 04:19.35 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, hah, I'm going to bet he beat you on damage |
| 04:20.53 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: not only that, he was a cockhead, pulled to many, nearly wiped us, and then complained about not etting enough xp. |
| 04:21.20 | Jamash | yeah maybe DKs shouldn't be able to use dungeon finder for pre-bc content |
| 04:21.44 | Jerub | ;) |
| 04:21.46 | Jamash | I'm not sure why you would anyway |
| 04:22.17 | elec29a | no shadow i dont write bots or exploits but i like it to have the knowledge sorry i like the borderline to prohibited things an i know everything is possible sorry |
| 04:22.21 | ZorbaTHut | I think the dungeon finder drops you into BC later than you'd expect |
| 04:22.37 | ZorbaTHut | I seem to recall it's possible to leave Ebon Hold at 57, and the dungeon finder doesn't actually put you in BC by default until 59 |
| 04:22.43 | Jamash | huh |
| 04:23.01 | ZorbaTHut | (although if you insist, you can go there as early as 57, which is pretty entertaining because a single dungeon run with rested XP will gain you a level) |
| 04:23.19 | Jamash | <old crotchety man voice> we didn't have this "dungeon finder" nonsense when I leveled my DK you know |
| 04:23.29 | ZorbaTHut | (plus you'll miss *everything* and won't be able to equip any items for, like, three levels) |
| 04:23.32 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: if you count 'BRD' as a single dungeon, that'll gain you a level. |
| 04:23.42 | ZorbaTHut | alright, true, but I mean a single BC dungeon |
| 04:24.01 | ZorbaTHut | and by "a single BC dungeon" I mean "ramparts" |
| 04:24.43 | Jerub | i'm hanging out to get my BRD achievement. |
| 04:24.49 | Jerub | levelling in instances has been /awesome/ |
| 04:24.51 | Jamash | weapon skillups are going away in Cata right? |
| 04:24.56 | ZorbaTHut | jamash, yep |
| 04:24.59 | Jamash | woo |
| 04:25.00 | Jerub | (handing in quests gained from peopple sharing them has been less awesome) |
| 04:25.19 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, unless you get an upgrade, I'd just ignore the quest |
| 04:25.20 | ZorbaTHut | ain't worth it |
| 04:25.40 | Jamash | my very first addon was going to be one that told you where to go to buy weapon skills, but I never finished it |
| 04:26.42 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know if buying weapon skills is going away also |
| 04:26.47 | Jamash | I think it is |
| 04:26.48 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i'm kinda torn. i'm perpetually out of rested. |
| 04:26.50 | ZorbaTHut | hopefully it will, but it's not quite as horrible |
| 04:27.05 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, I intentionally don't play without rested, but then again I'm also not in any kind of a rush to level up my alts |
| 04:27.05 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: oh, and i had the pure /joy/ of having to do the warrior quest chain for berserker stance. |
| 04:27.44 | Jamash | I've never leveled a warrior high enough to do that |
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| 04:29.59 | Amarande | gah, would that I could manage to save up enough gold to get flying mount training on my priest :S |
| 04:30.17 | Amarande | also: I'm noting a very negative and disturbing trend of advice lately on my server :| |
| 04:30.44 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: have you been noticing the dps queues being less awful lately in the 30-60 range? |
| 04:31.08 | ZorbaTHut | I don't actually have any characters in that range anymore, so, no |
| 04:31.12 | Jerub | hah |
| 04:31.26 | ZorbaTHut | one 60, one 66, a 40 that rarely gets played, and a 12 :P |
| 04:31.42 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i'm seeing healers and tanks more and more who have to swap specs when they join the instance because they're being forced to dps... |
| 04:31.54 | Jamash | that's amusing |
| 04:31.57 | ZorbaTHut | strange |
| 04:32.30 | Amarande | I've noticed that BC 70 instances actually aren't so hard to get groups for in the queue |
| 04:32.42 | Amarande | as a healer, anyway, it's still usually only 10-15 min for instances that one would think no one does |
| 04:32.49 | Amarande | anyway, the negative and disturbing trend |
| 04:32.50 | Amarande | is this: |
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| 04:33.19 | Amarande | I've seen people suggest, dead seriously, to people that they should always equip a higher ilvl item over a lower ilvl one, REGARDLESS OF THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THAT ITEM FOR THE CLASS AND BUILD. |
| 04:33.27 | Amarande | SOLELY because of the fact that that will increase their GS. |
| 04:33.45 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's been goin' on for a while. |
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| 04:33.58 | Amarande | Like people are actually told as sound advice to equip their pvp trinkets and then switch to the real one before the pull :| |
| 04:34.04 | Amarande | wtf is with that? |
| 04:34.13 | Amarande | or is raiding like getting a job in today's economy, you *have* to game the system? |
| 04:34.21 | Jerub | Amarande: ElitistGroup is awesome. |
| 04:34.22 | ZorbaTHut | in fairness, that actually *is* good advice if you're dealing with people spamming for 5800+ GS for Naxx10 |
| 04:34.39 | Jerub | I was in toc25 the other night with a RL in full PVP gear. |
| 04:34.47 | Jerub | i was the only person to notice. (also, one of the lowest GS) |
| 04:34.53 | ZorbaTHut | note that in theory it won't work on the new gearscore system, though, which is supposed to evaluate gear appropriateness |
| 04:35.01 | Jerub | didn't let him get away with saying bullshit things in that raid. |
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| 04:35.13 | Amarande | Zorba: that I don't get at all |
| 04:35.15 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, I'm usually lowest or second-lowest ilvl in my raids, and usually in the top two whether I'm DPSing or healing |
| 04:35.21 | Amarande | what in hell's name is the point of even GOING to naxx10 if you have 5800 GS |
| 04:35.27 | Jamash | badges |
| 04:35.29 | Amarande | let's see ... at that point, even triumph gear is useless |
| 04:35.35 | Amarande | and all you're going to GET from naxx10 is triumphs |
| 04:35.40 | Jamash | immortal? |
| 04:35.42 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, in fairness, I was exaggerating a bit :) |
| 04:35.51 | Amarande | although I do think this week on Turalyon is patchwerk, fwiw |
| 04:35.51 | ZorbaTHut | that said, heirlooms? |
| 04:35.54 | Mr_Rabies | this whole gearscore thing kinda makes me feel glad i stopped playing a while ago |
| 04:36.00 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: my mage has a little bit of trouble being excessively awesome yet. |
| 04:36.15 | Mr_Rabies | back when kittypoints was good for personal gain and not much else |
| 04:36.17 | Jerub | but he's getting there. he's certainly better than the other mages now. |
| 04:36.17 | Amarande | besides, wasn't it proven that gearscore can be faked? |
| 04:36.33 | ZorbaTHut | the database can be corrupted, but that's it |
| 04:36.39 | ZorbaTHut | it can't be faked once you're in the instance standing next to them |
| 04:37.41 | Jerub | i have GS installed, but i use EG way more than GS. |
| 04:37.58 | Jerub | i mean, once you're in the instance, EG can tell you way more cool information about how someone is a noob than GS. |
| 04:38.09 | Amarande | I wonder what % of raids are left that don't demand GS |
| 04:38.20 | Amarande | has it become the standard yet for applications to *real* raid guilds? |
| 04:38.20 | Jerub | Amarande: on my server? more than 50% don't demand it. |
| 04:38.23 | Amarande | (as opposed to fail ones) |
| 04:38.28 | Jerub | for pug raids |
| 04:40.12 | ZorbaTHut | real raid guilds don't bother with GS, they tell you to link your armor |
| 04:40.14 | ZorbaTHut | then they look at it. |
| 04:40.18 | ZorbaTHut | *armory |
| 04:42.30 | Jerub | and then they ask uncomfortable questions like, "Why did you use a red instead of a purple gem in this socket?" |
| 04:42.43 | Jerub | or, "why are you 1 whole gem over your hit cap?" |
| 04:42.45 | Jerub | :P |
| 04:46.12 | Amarande | man that was my longest duel victory ever just now. :) |
| 04:46.23 | Amarande | disc priest vs. resto druid = loooooong duel. like almost 5 minutes. |
| 04:47.23 | Dagmar | Jerub: "because life's too short to give a shit about 8 dps" |
| 04:47.57 | Dagmar | I'm like two whole percent over the hit cap, no +hit gems |
| 04:48.01 | Jerub | Dagmar: "Well submit an application again when you've got it done ;)" |
| 04:48.20 | Corrodias | if you want to be in a guild that nitpicks that much, you're going to have to perform. |
| 04:48.24 | Corrodias | suck it up |
| 04:48.51 | Dagmar | If they nitpick about 8 dps, they need lives |
| 04:49.03 | Dagmar | I have gotten questions about being over the hit cap before. |
| 04:49.11 | Corrodias | perhaps, but if you want to be in their group, you'll have to quit caring about it |
| 04:49.15 | Dagmar | Mainly from people who can't do math, at all. |
| 04:49.18 | Corrodias | about having a life, i mean |
| 04:49.32 | Dagmar | To hell wit hthat, I'll stick with having sex |
| 04:49.33 | Corrodias | if you don't want to be in their group, then there's no problem |
| 04:50.11 | Dagmar | I just know I'm _really_ sure there's no way to squeeze more DPS out of the gear I have |
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| 04:54.49 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, then that would be the appropriate response. the problem is that, for a lot of people, when they're asked "why did you do (suboptimal thing)?", they answer with "lol idk" |
| 04:54.56 | ZorbaTHut | or "bcus thats how i play" |
| 04:55.56 | ZorbaTHut | your gear gets challenged in guild apps not because they expect you to change it, but because they want to know if you can justify your choices. |
| 05:01.26 | ZorbaTHut | side note, I love 10-mans where literally nobody wants your gear. |
| 05:02.07 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: yeah :D |
| 05:02.18 | ZorbaTHut | all the spellpower leather is mine! :D |
| 05:04.16 | Dagmar | Zorbathut: Oh man I know from being on Vent with a coworkers guild they'd have me just because my answers to some of those questions owuld be "because I likve having sex" and "only if daddy's not home" |
| 05:05.03 | Dagmar | That and the "because I'm already within 92% of theoretical max without having to stress out about which shot is 23rd in the series" |
| 05:05.18 | Corrodias | oh, you guys, cut it out. you're reminding me of how much i enjoyed WoW. |
| 05:08.06 | Dagmar | You know you wanna play again |
| 05:08.16 | Gintaro | With yo momma |
| 05:08.32 | Dagmar | Ther'es nothing like the fun of making three attempts at Lady Vashj at 80 and then finding out "Oh wait, you mean there's not a ten man version of this?" |
| 05:08.41 | Amarande | Dagmar: you know what? sex is better than raiding anyway :) |
| 05:08.55 | Gintaro | You can have both |
| 05:09.02 | Gintaro | At the same time even |
| 05:09.15 | Amarande | Gintaro: that's probably a good way to end up not paying attention and standing in fire :| |
| 05:09.29 | Gintaro | That'll be a thing of the past with Cata |
| 05:09.39 | Gintaro | It's the priests' problem then |
| 05:09.45 | Amarande | Gintaro: remind me not to invite you |
| 05:09.55 | Amarande | I was talking about exactly that issue the other night when I read the previews |
| 05:10.00 | Gintaro | :D |
| 05:10.03 | Amarande | it is not OUR JOB to pull you out of fire YOU ARE STANDING IN with life grip |
| 05:10.26 | Gintaro | I do heroics in my bloodfang set with perditions blade and a hakkari warblade |
| 05:10.35 | Gintaro | I still manage to out-damage some folks |
| 05:11.06 | Gintaro | And halfway through they realize I only have 13k health |
| 05:11.43 | Gintaro | Amarande: and no, it isn't now, but it will be |
| 05:12.19 | Gintaro | Tank died? Healers fault! |
| 05:12.26 | Gintaro | DPS died, healers fault |
| 05:12.35 | Gintaro | Healer died, fuck him he sucks get another one |
| 05:13.01 | Gintaro | Enjoy your career in Cata! |
| 05:13.10 | Amarande | isn't it pretty ingrained though that when the DPS dies it's the DPS' own damn fault |
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| 05:13.30 | Amarande | except for one stupid thing, thankfully I haven't seen a group that sucks that bad yet but I'm sure they're out there ... |
| 05:13.34 | WobWork | The answer to the "Why didn't you lifegrip me out of the fire" is "Why the hell were you standing in the fire?" |
| 05:13.35 | ZorbaTHut | no, it's the healer's fault, duh |
| 05:13.40 | ZorbaTHut | if the healer was perfect then nobody would die |
| 05:13.43 | ZorbaTHut | see how it works |
| 05:13.46 | Amarande | *even if the tank loves you, the DPS constitute the three necessary votes to remove you* |
| 05:13.50 | Dagmar | Lifegrip? |
| 05:13.52 | Jamash | I look forward to life gripping rogues into fire |
| 05:14.00 | WobWork | Dagmar: Leap of Faith |
| 05:14.00 | Gintaro | rofl Jamash |
| 05:14.04 | WobWork | or whatever it's called |
| 05:14.09 | Dagmar | Ahhh |
| 05:14.14 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder, if you time things exactly right, if you'll be able to get priests to swap places |
| 05:14.18 | Jamash | lawl |
| 05:14.22 | Gintaro | lol |
| 05:14.35 | Jamash | no, they form an Archon |
| 05:14.49 | Gintaro | Super!!!! Healor! |
| 05:14.51 | ZorbaTHut | I see the Two-Headed Ogre race is back |
| 05:15.01 | Gintaro | It's like a fusion mon! |
| 05:15.24 | Jamash | kamehameheal! |
| 05:15.28 | Gintaro | :P |
| 05:15.54 | WobWork | I was thinking keeping the tanks where they were on the initial Thaddius prefight |
| 05:16.01 | Gintaro | WoW would suck with colliding players though :P |
| 05:16.01 | Jamash | haha |
| 05:16.03 | Trela | Our healer to the warlock: "Why aren't you resurrecting me?" |
| 05:16.17 | Jerub | hah |
| 05:16.31 | WobWork | ugh |
| 05:16.43 | Gintaro | He must have left his resurrection spell in his other robe |
| 05:16.45 | ZorbaTHut | what I love is when someone dies in the first five seconds of a fight and starts spamming you for battle resses |
| 05:16.48 | WobWork | I had a warlock that died in the second room of Gundrak, behind a bone pile |
| 05:16.55 | ZorbaTHut | like, no, I think I'll resurrect someone with an average lifespan higher than five seconds |
| 05:16.57 | WobWork | and had three snakes standing on his corpse |
| 05:17.02 | WobWork | and told me to res him |
| 05:17.07 | WobWork | I told him he was out of line of sight |
| 05:17.12 | WobWork | RES ME DAMNIT |
| 05:17.14 | WobWork | grr |
| 05:17.31 | WobWork | and after blaming me for the wipe in the first place, after the tank pulled the entire room |
| 05:17.42 | WobWork | everyone else ran in =P |
| 05:17.53 | Gintaro | Sometimes I forget I'm not on my tank, but then I just vanish and lol |
| 05:18.01 | WobWork | But Mr level 80 warlock (in a normal) couldn't be bothered |
| 05:18.11 | WobWork | So I couldn't be bothered healing the instance =P |
| 05:18.21 | Jamash | I bind feign death to "f" |
| 05:18.25 | Hirsute | You know what I love? When you die right before the first boss fight in AN, and they say, "meh, just run back, it's close," then start the boss fight as soon as you release, and kill him before you're back in range. Yeah. That's champion right there. |
| 05:18.25 | WobWork | although, I should have continued |
| 05:18.28 | WobWork | then let him die |
| 05:18.30 | WobWork | over and over |
| 05:18.36 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: could you ban that idiot in #wowace |
| 05:18.46 | Jamash | so when there's a wipe I go ffffffffffffffffff |
| 05:18.46 | Cairenn | same one? |
| 05:19.26 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:19.27 | Jamash | I just wish fade was as effective as feign |
| 05:19.29 | WobWork | Jamash: you should bind it to 'u' |
| 05:19.32 | Arrowmaster | changed his nick though |
| 05:19.34 | WobWork | then you can go fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 05:19.51 | Gintaro | All my utility shiz is bound to Fx |
| 05:19.52 | Jamash | that's what vent is for |
| 05:19.57 | Gintaro | Vanish, F1! |
| 05:20.03 | Adys | Oh |
| 05:20.04 | Adys | hey |
| 05:20.05 | Cairenn | done |
| 05:20.06 | Adys | that's very nice |
| 05:20.09 | Adys | very very nice |
| 05:20.11 | Adys | well done blizzard |
| 05:20.12 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/18818/invis-horde-siege-engine-east/ |
| 05:20.17 | Adys | "nothing to see here" |
| 05:20.18 | Adys | smart |
| 05:20.20 | Adys | very smart |
| 05:20.26 | Adys | it's funny isn't it? funny. |
| 05:20.40 | Jamash | so wait, what |
| 05:20.51 | Gintaro | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=5025 |
| 05:21.41 | WobWork | Gintaro: I link that every time the 'Anal [link]' game comes up on trade |
| 05:21.45 | WobWork | it usually shuts them up |
| 05:21.54 | Gintaro | WobWork: Uhuh! |
| 05:22.03 | Adys | WobWork: http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/944/they-love-me-in-that-tunnel/ ! |
| 05:23.29 | WobWork | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html |
| 05:23.31 | WobWork | awwwesome |
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| 05:31.12 | Hirsute | That's wonderful. It's about time someone gave some deserved attention to the mystical Alot |
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| 05:35.32 | tekkub | WobWork: It's Alot furrier than me |
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| 05:42.33 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5516557/even-the-people-selling-3d-tvs-know-the-hype-seems-like-a-joke |
| 05:42.59 | Arrowmaster | i wonder how many people will fall for that shit |
| 05:43.16 | Arrowmaster | thinking 3d tv is anything like that |
| 05:45.41 | Jamash | yeah, it's not holographic, you can't go look behind things |
| 05:46.06 | Arrowmaster | you can do that with head tracking |
| 05:46.21 | Jamash | for one user at a time |
| 05:46.21 | Arrowmaster | but that wont ever work with tvs |
| 05:46.26 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 05:46.46 | Amarande | haha ... |
| 05:46.48 | Amarande | "And God pressed up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, and Start, and there was light." |
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| 05:47.18 | Shadowed | haha |
| 05:47.22 | Jamash | so wait, jesus had 30 extra lives? |
| 05:47.22 | Arrowmaster | unless they develop some kinda holographic recording process before they develop a way to display it, then a single user per tv could use head tracking |
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| 05:49.38 | Corrodias | problem #1: i wear glasses and headphones and cannot change these things |
| 05:49.52 | Corrodias | thus, i cannot work with any technology that requires wearing polarized lenses |
| 05:50.06 | Corrodias | unless they find something that is actually comfortable in that situation |
| 05:50.09 | Amarande | wait, you mean cheap polarized sunglasses will help you see 3D? |
| 05:50.12 | Trela | Hey, if you get a 3D television, Best Buy will only charge you $150 to synchronize the glasses with the television. |
| 05:50.27 | Trela | *Disclaimer: Glasses automatically synchronize and require no setup. |
| 05:50.31 | Arrowmaster | polarized lenses is only used in theaters |
| 05:50.34 | tekkub | I will never EVER do 3D |
| 05:50.36 | tekkub | period |
| 05:50.44 | tekkub | for one wonderfully simple reason |
| 05:50.48 | Amarande | Trela: does it come with a free DVD rewinder, too? |
| 05:50.52 | Corrodias | so what do they do for "3d tv"? |
| 05:50.53 | tekkub | I can't focus with my right eye enough for it to work |
| 05:50.54 | Jamash | I'm waiting for 4D |
| 05:51.01 | Trela | Amarande: Unfortunately, no. |
| 05:51.04 | Arrowmaster | avatar wasnt bad in 3d, SINCE IT WAS FUCKING FILMED IN 3D USING 2 CAMERAS AT ONCE! |
| 05:51.25 | Arrowmaster | everything else that they are just trying to add 3d to in postprocessing is just fucking crap |
| 05:51.49 | Corrodias | i'd rather they spend the budget on increasing the framerate from 24 to something decent |
| 05:52.05 | Corrodias | but anyway, i don't need best buy to tape polarized film over my lenses |
| 05:52.18 | Arrowmaster | 3d tvs dont use that |
| 05:52.25 | Arrowmaster | they use lcd shutter glasses |
| 05:52.25 | Corrodias | i asked what they use. |
| 05:52.27 | Jamash | shutter glasses are different from polarized glasses |
| 05:52.30 | Corrodias | oh god, that's even worse |
| 05:52.32 | tekkub | they'll never do more that 24fps |
| 05:52.45 | Arrowmaster | 23.976fps |
| 05:52.51 | tekkub | ^ |
| 05:53.00 | Corrodias | of course they won't, because they're assholes |
| 05:53.01 | Arrowmaster | lua? 24000/1001 |
| 05:53.08 | Arrowmaster | lua> 24000/1001 |
| 05:53.09 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 23.976023976024 |
| 05:53.14 | tekkub | physics dictates that they can't go any faster |
| 05:53.16 | Arrowmaster | yeah i was right |
| 05:53.20 | tekkub | it's a constant! |
| 05:53.23 | Jamash | that's NTSC |
| 05:53.35 | Arrowmaster | thats still what they use |
| 05:53.35 | tekkub | NTSC is 29.9* |
| 05:53.47 | Arrowmaster | yeah NTSC is 30000/1001 |
| 05:54.03 | Corrodias | l. o. l. |
| 05:54.09 | tekkub | hence why they have all these fancy ways to "format" the film to work on a TV |
| 05:54.19 | Arrowmaster | that destroy fluid motion |
| 05:54.22 | tekkub | pan and scam! |
| 05:54.29 | tekkub | and part of the image |
| 05:54.41 | Corrodias | anyway, shutter lenses are even worse, and nobody's going to put up with that for long |
| 05:54.51 | tekkub | throw interlacing in for a pukingly good time |
| 05:55.25 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5515718/3d-tv-sets-arent-great-for-drinkers-kids-pregnant-women-or-the-elderly |
| 05:55.27 | tekkub | 3d is just a bullshit gimmick to sell TVs to the people that rushed out and bought HDTVs and bloorai |
| 05:55.39 | Amarande | I don't need Best Buy to tape polarized film either ... I have polarized sunglasses that I just paid 20 bucks for at A&P |
| 05:56.00 | tekkub | you know what I want, one of those Sulu TVs that somehow drives yellow pixels off a RGB signal! |
| 05:56.05 | tekkub | now THAT is technology |
| 05:56.11 | Arrowmaster | im just waiting for childrens cartoons to be in 3d so they can be completely contradictory |
| 05:56.29 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: what RGB signal? |
| 05:56.39 | tekkub | that one! |
| 05:56.49 | Arrowmaster | tvs dont use RGB |
| 05:56.54 | tekkub | oh right, I have to use composite for that because it's yellow |
| 05:56.58 | tekkub | *hides* |
| 05:57.20 | Trela | tekkub: DIE! :P |
| 05:57.24 | tekkub | they don't now? |
| 05:57.31 | tekkub | my DVI plug begs to differ |
| 05:57.43 | Trela | The RGBY thing is such a gimmick. That only works if the source provides all four. |
| 05:57.45 | tekkub | pins 1/2 digital red |
| 05:57.56 | tekkub | pins 4/5 digital green |
| 05:58.06 | tekkub | etc |
| 05:58.10 | Jamash | TVs can use RGB or component or composite or s-video these days |
| 05:58.10 | Corrodias | ah, how do these tv and film companies fuck up their technology so badly? |
| 05:58.14 | Arrowmaster | they can still use different color formats |
| 05:58.41 | Arrowmaster | hdmi and dvi are electrically compatible except hdmi doesnt normally use rgb |
| 05:58.45 | Corrodias | they should let the computer display divisions develop the standards and quietly play with their "find the hole this shape goes into" toys |
| 05:59.05 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: huh? |
| 05:59.11 | Jamash | Corrodias: it's green, and it has a little man on it |
| 05:59.21 | Corrodias | i'm disgusted by television and film standards history |
| 05:59.24 | tekkub | well we're talking about *my* TV, and it'd be driven off DVI |
| 05:59.30 | tekkub | so, no lellow :) |
| 05:59.37 | Trela | No yellow either. |
| 05:59.39 | Jamash | lollow? |
| 05:59.47 | tekkub | LELLO |
| 05:59.53 | Corrodias | ntsc/pal, composite, hdmi, 16:9, 24fps, etc etc |
| 05:59.59 | Jamash | everybody loves lello |
| 06:00.01 | Trela | Zip zop bibity bop! |
| 06:00.15 | tekkub | you know, all the bullshit of standards doesn't bother me |
| 06:00.20 | tekkub | you know what bothers me? |
| 06:00.22 | tekkub | 16:9 |
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| 06:00.28 | tekkub | biggest failure evar |
| 06:00.32 | tekkub | they were *so* close |
| 06:00.32 | Corrodias | yyyep |
| 06:00.33 | Fisker | DEL BUONO |
| 06:00.39 | tekkub | 16:10 >>>> everything |
| 06:00.39 | Trela | 16:10! |
| 06:00.48 | Fisker | btw tekkub while also being a traitor you killed my mage yesterday :( |
| 06:00.56 | Trela | As I understand 16:10 cut panels are cheaper for manufacturers to make. |
| 06:01.11 | tekkub | I'm not talking cost |
| 06:01.13 | Trela | Some thing about how the math works out for cutting the sheets. |
| 06:01.16 | tekkub | I'm talking goldenality |
| 06:01.27 | Fisker | i heard it was 16:9 that was cheaper |
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| 06:01.33 | Fisker | 16:10 being cheaper makes no sense |
| 06:01.36 | Arrowmaster | seriously, dont most widescreen movies still have borders on 16:9 since they dont film in 16:9 or show it in theaters in 16:9 |
| 06:01.41 | Corrodias | i'm talking about "who the fuck thinks 16 and 9 are more reasonable numbers than 8 and 5?" |
| 06:01.57 | tekkub | I think it's that as computer monitors get bigger it's cheaper to do 16:9 because that's what TVs have been for so long now |
| 06:02.02 | Corrodias | i think that's right, what's film ratio? |
| 06:02.04 | Fisker | because it's 8 and 4.5? |
| 06:02.05 | tekkub | just tweak the equipment they already have |
| 06:02.32 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: they use like 5 different aspect ratios depending on the director |
| 06:02.47 | Corrodias | see my eyes? they're a-rollin'. |
| 06:02.48 | tekkub | yea aspect ratios are all crap |
| 06:02.58 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 06:03.05 | tekkub | "full" theatrical widescreen is like 2.35:1 |
| 06:03.22 | Jamash | so blizzard updates all the wow loading screens to 16:10 just in time for me to get a 16:9 screen >_< |
| 06:03.37 | tekkub | and then IMAX is liek xbox360:1 |
| 06:03.38 | Amarande | 1920x1200 ... is 16:10, right? |
| 06:03.42 | Fisker | yes |
| 06:03.49 | Fisker | it should be illegal to make 16:9 monitors btw |
| 06:03.52 | Fisker | 16:10 ftw |
| 06:03.53 | Amarande | why did you get a 16:9 monitor, Jamash :| |
| 06:03.53 | Corrodias | 1.6:1 |
| 06:03.58 | Jamash | 'cause it's a laptop |
| 06:04.00 | tekkub | 16:10 >> all |
| 06:04.02 | Jamash | and that's what it came with |
| 06:04.04 | Trela | 1920x1200 at 24" is a good sweet spot. |
| 06:04.10 | tekkub | and it was before TVs existed! |
| 06:04.12 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 06:04.15 | Corrodias | makes sweet sixteen by ten based love to Fisker |
| 06:04.40 | tekkub | 16.1803399:10 ^^ |
| 06:04.53 | Trela | I love my monitor. |
| 06:04.55 | Fisker | today is the day Corrodias |
| 06:04.55 | Jamash | my screen is 1080p which would be awesome if I watched movies on it |
| 06:05.04 | Arrowmaster | no it wouldnt |
| 06:05.06 | Jamash | but I don't >.> |
| 06:05.15 | Arrowmaster | youll still have bars on the top and bottom |
| 06:05.22 | tekkub | my monitor is like, 1440p or something! |
| 06:05.27 | Corrodias | i tell you what i'd like, and that's a display without all this motion blur |
| 06:05.30 | Amarande | mine is a similar model to http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005113 |
| 06:05.30 | Trela | Mmm, S-PVA panels. *Drools* |
| 06:05.31 | tekkub | stupid 'p' system |
| 06:05.36 | Arrowmaster | Trela: eww |
| 06:05.47 | Arrowmaster | the 'p' system isnt a system at all |
| 06:05.51 | Amarande | might even BE that model, though it only says W2452T on it |
| 06:05.54 | Corrodias | reviews assure me that this LCD display i'm using has very little ghosting, perfectly in line with other good models |
| 06:05.56 | Trela | Arrowmaster: The colors Duke, THE COLORS! |
| 06:05.59 | tekkub | actually, I like, I love p |
| 06:06.00 | Amarande | I got it at Circuit City during the going out of business sales |
| 06:06.03 | tekkub | it's i I hate |
| 06:06.03 | Corrodias | and yet, in a game, it blurs like a motherfucker |
| 06:06.12 | Arrowmaster | Trela: if you want good colors get an IPS |
| 06:06.18 | tekkub | interlacing should be illegal |
| 06:06.24 | Jamash | down with interlacing! |
| 06:06.26 | Trela | Arrowmaster: This might by IPS. >.> *Double checks.* |
| 06:06.45 | Amarande | tekkub: gee, so older programs that only support e.g. 1024x768 in 87I should be banned? :P |
| 06:06.55 | tekkub | if you use IPv6 you'll get even more IPS |
| 06:07.08 | tekkub | Amarande: yes |
| 06:07.08 | Corrodias | what the hell is 87I? |
| 06:07.22 | Amarande | 87Hz Interlaced |
| 06:07.29 | Corrodias | is that a european thing? |
| 06:07.34 | tekkub | ALL interlacing should be illegal |
| 06:07.41 | Amarande | it was a not uncommon mode for 1024x768 in legacy days |
| 06:07.43 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: i have a S-IPS panel from 2003, before they came up with overdrive so this is just 16ms and i dont ever see ghosting |
| 06:07.44 | tekkub | Corrodias: think old CRT |
| 06:07.49 | Amarande | tekkub: LEGACY COMPATIBILITY MUST BE PRESERVED |
| 06:07.50 | Trela | PVA panel. |
| 06:07.53 | Amarande | remember: retro gamers |
| 06:08.01 | tekkub | compatibilty? lawl |
| 06:08.05 | Corrodias | Arrowmaster: i think i'm extremely sensitive to it, more than other people i know |
| 06:08.11 | tekkub | you want 1024x768 get an iPad |
| 06:08.13 | Amarande | or do you want everyone to have to update and submit to the modern day of eye-candycoated crap? :| |
| 06:08.20 | tekkub | it revolutionizes it |
| 06:08.28 | Trela | Arrowmaster: I get very accurate colors with this display. Works for me. :O |
| 06:08.45 | Corrodias | Arrowmaster: i base this on other people telling me they have not seen any ghosting or blurring on LCD displays, while they look like a muddled mess to me when anything is in motion |
| 06:08.49 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember the last time I even made a new release PC game purchase in this day of overrated eye candy |
| 06:08.52 | Amarande | I think it was Lich King, heh |
| 06:09.14 | Corrodias | you call pretty things overrated, eh |
| 06:09.16 | Amarande | the only games I really remember buying since then are the KOTORs, which are old |
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| 06:09.23 | Arrowmaster | not counting stuff i bought on steam, the last PC game i bought was lich king i think |
| 06:09.23 | Fisker | yeeeeeees |
| 06:09.25 | Fisker | YEEEEEEEES |
| 06:09.32 | Amarande | Corrodias: when they take a step BACK in many other areas of game development in order to make the game prettier ... |
| 06:09.37 | Jamash | why not count steam? |
| 06:09.37 | Corrodias | would you like us to fire graphic artists and return to vectors? |
| 06:09.40 | tekkub | fucking limechat stop crashing |
| 06:09.44 | tekkub | I bought STO |
| 06:09.47 | Amarande | there were a lot more intricate actions we could take even in the olden days of text adventure than we can in many games now |
| 06:09.50 | tekkub | got bored very quickly |
| 06:09.57 | tekkub | I get to scan asteroids! |
| 06:09.57 | Jamash | > TROLL IRC |
| 06:09.59 | Arrowmaster | well i havent even played any of the games ive bought on steam recently |
| 06:10.03 | tekkub | *fly up and hit f* |
| 06:10.10 | Amarande | because of the enormously greater and more costly burden of implementing such actions in the 3D graphics people demand now :| |
| 06:10.12 | tekkub | now I get to scan a probe! |
| 06:10.16 | tekkub | *run up and hit f* |
| 06:10.21 | Arrowmaster | oh wait i bought world of goo directly from the developer |
| 06:10.23 | tekkub | oh now to disarm some bombs! |
| 06:10.25 | tekkub | *run up and hit f* |
| 06:10.28 | Shadowed | Odd, I haven't had any crash issues tekkub |
| 06:10.31 | Amarande | Story development gets pushed aside in many cases, because of the need to spend greater and greater percentages of the operating budget on modeling and texture |
| 06:10.43 | tekkub | Shadowed: older version with custom tweaks, I don't update it |
| 06:10.44 | Corrodias | now those are good points. |
| 06:10.46 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 06:10.49 | Shadowed | WELL then |
| 06:10.51 | tekkub | but still it *just* started this crashing |
| 06:10.53 | Jamash | watchoo talking about, the story in gears of war is epic |
| 06:10.57 | Amarande | Awesomeness like DA:O is still the exception |
| 06:11.01 | Fisker | hey Shadowed |
| 06:11.05 | ZorbaTHut | the best part of raiding is completely obliterating people with far more ilvl than you. |
| 06:11.09 | Jamash | there's this GUY and he has a GUN and he SHOOTS PEOPLE |
| 06:11.15 | ZorbaTHut | 3rd on the meters, 10th best ilvl. why yes it's a ten-man raid why do you ask |
| 06:11.22 | Amarande | Zorba: the worst part of dueling is taking five minutes to beat a resto druid eight levels below you |
| 06:11.34 | ZorbaTHut | your own fault for dueling a resto druid |
| 06:11.51 | Amarande | granted, not that I was especially significantly tiring either, being a disc priest heh |
| 06:11.59 | Corrodias | i'm planning to make my second playthrough of DA:O soon enough (and/or the expansion; i don't know anything about it yet). i need to catch up on all the mods, because i know i'll want some of them. |
| 06:12.09 | Jamash | what's best/worst is two resto druids dueling |
| 06:12.14 | Corrodias | also, i intend to play with the player model replaced with that of a little girl, for screenshot lulz. |
| 06:12.18 | Arrowmaster | i got DA:O and still havent even started it |
| 06:12.27 | Amarande | resto druids are annoying in general in duels though |
| 06:12.43 | Amarande | I mean let's put it this way, I'm a 70 in mostly blues and a few epics, he was a 62 in probably quest greens |
| 06:13.12 | Amarande | if he was a 70 in blues, I could still be dueling now |
| 06:13.19 | Fisker | hey Shadowed |
| 06:13.26 | Jamash | stay awhile... stay forever! |
| 06:15.33 | WobWork | Jamash: <3 Impossible Mission |
| 06:15.43 | Jamash | I saw it for DS in a store once |
| 06:15.53 | Jamash | I wish I'd had the cash to pick it up |
| 06:15.58 | WobWork | that... is kinda awesome |
| 06:16.03 | Amarande | I wonder if there's duel pairs that, played optimally by both players, would literally go from reset to reset without a decision |
| 06:16.06 | WobWork | except the audience that would normally snap that up |
| 06:16.13 | WobWork | probably aren't the same audience that use DS a lot =P |
| 06:16.34 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, resto druid vs holy pally |
| 06:16.53 | Fisker | hey WobWork |
| 06:16.57 | Fisker | i can't be stopped |
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| 06:17.41 | WobWork | Fisker: Stop right now |
| 06:17.44 | WobWork | Thank you very much |
| 06:17.44 | Amarande | Zorba: I no longer run recount or gearscore |
| 06:17.49 | WobWork | I need somebody with a human touch |
| 06:17.50 | Amarande | they are evil addons that should go stand in the fire |
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| 06:18.11 | WobWork | I run recount |
| 06:18.15 | Amarande | speaking of standing in fire, btw ... healing MgT with two DPS being melee can be a tad hectic :| |
| 06:18.33 | ZorbaTHut | recount is fine, if you're using it intelligently |
| 06:18.51 | ZorbaTHut | if you know you're doing damage to the right places then you can use it to help optimize |
| 06:19.16 | Fisker | no! |
| 06:19.24 | Amarande | I finally, for the first time ever, managed to complete MgT tonight. |
| 06:19.25 | Fisker | because i'm getting my GTX480 when the deliveryman comes to my house :( |
| 06:19.29 | Amarande | AND KAEL'THAS DROPS THE STUPID JC RECIPE. |
| 06:19.33 | Fisker | bwa |
| 06:19.34 | Fisker | BAW |
| 06:19.41 | Amarande | there's literally ... FIVE recipes he drops that my tailor/enchanter can use |
| 06:19.45 | Amarande | and he drops the stupid JC recipe |
| 06:20.01 | Amarande | Delrissa didn't drop Steelweave, either. :| |
| 06:20.04 | Amarande | Guess I'm going back. |
| 06:20.23 | Amarande | I wonder if I'll end up having to do the SSO dailies at all, what with the rep I'll get trying to get these patterns |
| 06:21.00 | zenzio | I assume you're one of the people who like maxing reputations? |
| 06:21.26 | Jamash | and collecting old-school patterns? |
| 06:21.34 | zenzio | that too |
| 06:25.13 | WobWork | I use recount to learn |
| 06:25.29 | WobWork | if a similarly geared toon is doing better dps than me, I use it to figure out where I'm going wrong |
| 06:25.39 | WobWork | or if, say, a bear tank isn't using Maul, or the like |
| 06:25.47 | ZorbaTHut | is there any semi-reliable UI mod CPU use monitor? |
| 06:25.57 | ZorbaTHut | ideally one that doesn't burn far more CPU than it monitors? |
| 06:26.16 | olafski | I thought the CPU profiling was built in, the mods just show the data :< |
| 06:26.30 | WobWork | I should write one called PyrrhicCPU |
| 06:26.40 | ZorbaTHut | the built-in CPU profiling is painfully expensive. I'm really looking for something that somehow monitors hooks and counts up CPU based on that |
| 06:26.59 | WobWork | hehe, wasn't there one profiler that actually -improved- CPU usage by it's running? |
| 06:27.18 | ZorbaTHut | how on earth would you pull that off? |
| 06:27.27 | ZorbaTHut | though QH smooths framerate hiccups a little :D |
| 06:27.41 | olafski | by lowering the overall framerate? ;) |
| 06:27.49 | ZorbaTHut | partialy, yes. :D |
| 06:27.49 | olafski | wobwork: if by improve you mean increase =) |
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| 06:30.30 | Fisker | yarr |
| 06:30.32 | Fisker | stupid isp |
| 06:31.20 | Fisker | probably shouldn't download torrents over a 2G network :o |
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| 06:49.37 | ZorbaTHut | sigh. dude complaining that the raid is taking too long to get started |
| 06:49.47 | ZorbaTHut | of course the reason it's taking so long to get started is that only two people are heading towards the summon stone |
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| 06:55.56 | Spectre | ok can anyone see anything wrong with this, I can't find the problem for the life of me, but both 'flag' and 'debug' print out to be 1 yet my message doesn't get printed. |
| 06:56.00 | Spectre | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("flag = "..flag) |
| 06:56.01 | Spectre | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("debug = "..debug) |
| 06:56.01 | Spectre | if flag == 1 then |
| 06:56.01 | Spectre | if debug == 1 then |
| 06:56.01 | Spectre | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("|cFFAA3333Eye On Things: |r"..msg) |
| 06:56.01 | Spectre | EyeOnThingsFrame:AddMessage("|cFFAA3333Eye On Things: |r"..msg) |
| 06:56.01 | Spectre | end |
| 06:56.02 | Spectre | end |
| 06:56.12 | Thunder_Child | pastey is there for a reason |
| 06:56.14 | Shadowed | Use pa--- |
| 06:56.17 | Dagmar | Well, for one, it's been brutally mangled by IRC |
| 06:56.34 | Thunder_Child | sorry Shadowed, didnt mean to steal your thunder |
| 06:56.55 | Spectre | sry didn't see the pastey |
| 06:56.56 | Shadowed | :( |
| 06:57.15 | tekkub | 1) use print |
| 06:57.24 | tekkub | 2) use a proper debugger, like tekdebug |
| 06:57.40 | tekkub | 3) There's no step three |
| 06:58.15 | Amarande | Use pasties, you could incur a serious FCC fine if you don't. :D |
| 06:58.17 | Amarande | errr. |
| 06:58.20 | Amarande | um |
| 06:58.22 | Amarande | I didn't say that. |
| 06:58.23 | Amarande | LOL |
| 06:58.40 | Amarande | and I think this means it's time for another shot of vodka |
| 06:59.12 | tekkub | in soviet russia, vodka thinks it's time for another shot of you |
| 06:59.23 | Amarande | heh |
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| 07:01.26 | zenzio | why do so many games seem to think that "distant future" must include "post-apocalyptic"? |
| 07:02.00 | zenzio | I feel like making a pre-apocalyptic game, where you know what's coming, but not when |
| 07:02.09 | tekkub | because "distant future" is boring otherwise? |
| 07:02.18 | tekkub | oh look we've not killed ourselves yet |
| 07:02.25 | tekkub | go another 100 years |
| 07:02.38 | zenzio | why just a few hundred years? |
| 07:02.53 | zenzio | I love how Anarchy Online took us 27000 years into the future |
| 07:02.56 | tekkub | maybe you can only go forward, so a binary search wouldn't work? |
| 07:02.56 | Amarande | zenzio: well, there's really only a few future archetypes |
| 07:03.04 | Amarande | a) Crapsack Dystopian Totalitarian Future |
| 07:03.13 | Amarande | b) Post-Apoc |
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| 07:03.28 | Amarande | c) OMG Everything is Wonderful and Planets all have Beautiful Alien Women like in Star Trek |
| 07:03.36 | tekkub | fucking eh |
| 07:03.43 | tekkub | I *guess* I'll update limechat |
| 07:03.45 | tekkub | ugh |
| 07:03.49 | zenzio | Star Trek women are beautiful? |
| 07:03.54 | Amarande | otherwise, you kinda just end up with the modern world with higher tech |
| 07:03.59 | tekkub | star trek had the first furries |
| 07:04.12 | tekkub | and green people fetishists |
| 07:04.31 | zenzio | Amarande: I like modern world with better tech |
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| 07:10.17 | Amarande | zenzio: the trouble with that option is it really doesn't lead to much in the way of plot options that a just plain modern setting allows for, while requiring a lot more setting design |
| 07:10.36 | Amarande | it's kinda the same reason you rarely see modern-level milieux for RPGs and such that aren't just the real world adapted |
| 07:10.37 | zenzio | that depends entirely on what you want to do |
| 07:10.52 | Amarande | I suppose the higher tech does allow for more Applied Phlebotinum though |
| 07:12.06 | Spectre | tekkub: print doesn't work either, and I'd prefer not to use another addon for what should be a simple function |
| 07:12.26 | tekkub | you don't *have* to |
| 07:12.38 | tekkub | more specifically, you only have to if you want the debug output |
| 07:12.50 | tekkub | which solves that whole nasty mess you're trying to do with a flag |
| 07:13.06 | tekkub | if debug addon is present, you debug. user never sees debug, ever. |
| 07:13.43 | tekkub | and it's a whole two lines of code to support, hard to get simpler than that |
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| 07:15.14 | Spectre | It may be easy to implement, and work perfectly, but I'd still *rather* not have to rely on another addon, when the only problem is that code, as far I can tell, should be working perfectly, isn't. |
| 07:15.18 | tekkub | local debugf = tekDebug and tekDebug:GetFrame(myname) |
| 07:15.18 | tekkub | local function debug(...) if debugf then debugf:AddMessage(string.join(", ", tostringall(...))) end end |
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| 07:18.22 | Jamash | so simplify it until it works then add complexity back until it stops working |
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| 07:19.26 | Torhal | Spectre: tekDebug makes it so you can actually read your debug shit. Otherwise you're spamming your chatframe and have to scroll around to see WTH is going on. |
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| 07:24.01 | tekkub | or you forget the flag once and BAM spamming your users with debug |
| 07:24.12 | Spectre | the issue here isn't the benefits of using tekDebug over an inbuilt function, it is that my code, that I can see no problems with wont work, it is available here: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/135258, if someone would be lind enough to take a quick look at it, and see why nothing get printed even though both variables are shown to be 1 right be the if statements. |
| 07:24.44 | Spectre | also, I'm here trying to help learn LUA, if I run and find an addon to aviod my problems I am not going to learn anything |
| 07:25.15 | zenzio | if you comment out your ifs (and their ends), does it print then? |
| 07:25.15 | tekkub | if you take it apart and find out WHY it works, you ARE learning lua |
| 07:25.21 | Arrowmaster | likely a problem with your frame |
| 07:26.17 | Spectre | I have taken it apart, and I do not undrstand how EyeOnThings_Debug appears to change its value in the whitespace between the lines |
| 07:26.27 | Arrowmaster | and nothing to do with the logic, the EyeOnThingsFrame:AddMessage() is getting called but it cant properly display it |
| 07:26.37 | tekkub | and I'd wager you're going to learn more from disecting a good addon than just stabbing at code in the dark on your own |
| 07:26.39 | zenzio | Spectre: did you try what I said? |
| 07:27.23 | Spectre | Arrowmaster: that doesn't explain why the print function isn't printing it to the actual chat frame. |
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| 07:27.40 | Spectre | zenzio: and yes it does |
| 07:27.41 | Arrowmaster | its not? |
| 07:27.56 | Spectre | Arrowmaster: nope |
| 07:27.58 | Arrowmaster | where is this being called? do you have an chat addons? |
| 07:28.49 | Spectre | I am running chatter, though I do not see how that can be the issue, because further up the function there is another if statement printing if flag == 0, whihc works perfectly |
| 07:30.03 | Arrowmaster | change the print() to DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage() |
| 07:30.12 | Arrowmaster | addons can change the behavior of print() |
| 07:30.21 | Jamash | 1 is not the same as "1" in Lua, perhaps that is at issue |
| 07:30.30 | Arrowmaster | if print() isnt working thats likely whats happening |
| 07:30.32 | Spectre | I had that originally, but changed it when tekkub suggegst it |
| 07:30.54 | Spectre | also, commenting out the if statements print works perfectly |
| 07:31.21 | Arrowmaster | ok then like Jamash said, maybe you are getting 1 and "1" mixed up somewhere |
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| 07:32.45 | Spectre | I am not passing "1" to the command as an argument, it is definatly 1. |
| 07:33.08 | Jamash | when you say command, do you mean a /slash command? |
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| 07:33.30 | Spectre | no, I should have said function not command |
| 07:33.34 | Jamash | ok |
| 07:33.38 | Spectre | here is an example of it |
| 07:33.40 | Spectre | EyeOnThings_Print(value.." Not Found", 1) |
| 07:36.24 | Fisker | imma blow you up Shadowed |
| 07:38.03 | Fisker | WobWork |
| 07:38.05 | Fisker | halp me |
| 07:48.18 | Fisker | i will blow up the world WobWork |
| 07:51.11 | Fisker | :( |
| 07:51.15 | Fisker | i'm super cereal |
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| 08:20.31 | Fisker | WobWork |
| 08:20.32 | Fisker | I RAGE |
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| 08:24.19 | Esamynn | Fisker: why are you talking to yourself? |
| 08:24.29 | Fisker | i'm not Esamynn |
| 08:24.38 | Fisker | why are you talking to yourself? |
| 08:24.44 | Esamynn | ~lart Fisker |
| 08:24.44 | purl | beats the living hamstercrap out of Fisker |
| 08:24.52 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 08:24.52 | purl | Esamynn: thanks |
| 08:25.00 | Fisker | purl, gtfo |
| 08:25.00 | purl | Sorry sir, I won't bother you anymore. |
| 08:25.09 | Esamynn | purl <3 |
| 08:25.10 | purl | I love you. <3 |
| 08:25.28 | Esamynn | Fisker: you be nice to purl |
| 08:25.36 | Fisker | no |
| 08:25.54 | Fisker | i need 2 things before i'll be nice to anybody or thing |
| 08:25.58 | Esamynn | you got something against it? |
| 08:26.32 | Fisker | what? |
| 08:26.41 | Esamynn | and these things are? (dare I ask?) |
| 08:27.03 | Fisker | 1. internets |
| 08:27.05 | Fisker | 2. GTX480 |
| 08:27.57 | Esamynn | got difficulties aquiring the later? |
| 08:28.18 | Fisker | latter* |
| 08:28.19 | Fisker | but no |
| 08:28.24 | Fisker | just waiting for the delivery |
| 08:28.24 | Esamynn | typo :P |
| 08:28.28 | Esamynn | lol |
| 08:28.54 | Esamynn | is this the next gen? or just another hack of multiple cards in one? |
| 08:29.22 | Fisker | next gen |
| 08:29.47 | Esamynn | cool |
| 08:32.05 | Esamynn | well, good night |
| 08:32.27 | Esamynn | ~fishslap Fisker |
| 08:32.27 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker up side the head with a wet fish. |
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| 09:01.19 | zenzio | "I need a way to alter the UITableView row height differently, but without implementing the delegate method -tableView:heightForRowAtIndexPath: because it causes me some serious performance problems in an indexed table with 15.000 rows." |
| 09:01.39 | zenzio | if you have a table view on an iPhone that contains 15000 rows... what the heck are you doing? |
| 09:01.48 | Fisker | haha zenzio |
| 09:02.12 | Fisker | they ship it with a sticker that says "ATTENTION: Please allow the graphics card to cool after operation before removing it from your system" |
| 09:02.14 | Fisker | lol |
| 09:02.25 | Fisker | can slap that one on the side then hoho |
| 09:02.28 | zenzio | Fisker: :-) |
| 09:03.11 | Fisker | just going to reboot so i can get resolutions over 640x480 |
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| 09:06.10 | ZorbaTHut | hey who wants to try out a puzzle game! http://cams.pavlovian.net/tdu/RobertRecurring-0.6.exe |
| 09:07.22 | Kalroth | Mine is better! http://k-dev.net/najort/roodkcab/funy_game.exe |
| 09:09.07 | Arrowmaster | they are both windows executables, fail |
| 09:09.33 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, what OS do you use? |
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| 09:09.56 | Kalroth | lots of smart people in here (except Antiarc!); what is this http://i.imgur.com/qwWRG.jpg |
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| 09:10.22 | krka | HOT |
| 09:10.26 | Fisker | woop woop Kalroth |
| 09:10.32 | Fisker | i went down 1,5 points in WEI! |
| 09:10.43 | Fisker | moo: gfx: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB |
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| 09:16.59 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-b *!*@host109-40-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] by Shirik |
| 09:17.01 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! | Please keep jnwhitehead in your thoughts that his surgery goes well. || All glory to the Hypnotoad! |
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| 09:37.29 | Shirik | falls over and dies |
| 09:40.10 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 09:40.10 | Fisker | hello |
| 09:40.10 | Fisker | it is me |
| 09:40.10 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 09:40.10 | Shirik | hello |
| 09:40.10 | Shirik | I own Starcraft |
| 09:40.10 | Fisker | as do i |
| 09:40.11 | Fisker | do you own a Geforce GTX 480? |
| 09:41.11 | Fisker | what's that Shirik ? |
| 09:41.17 | Shirik | what's that |
| 09:41.18 | Shirik | a hat |
| 09:41.26 | Fisker | i can't hear you because of all that crying |
| 09:41.35 | Fisker | and the fan on my graphics card |
| 09:41.41 | Shirik | and I own a 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II piece of pristine glass |
| 09:41.43 | Shirik | and you do not |
| 09:41.52 | Fisker | i wouldn't want to |
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| 09:42.10 | Fisker | people who own glasses get picked on in school |
| 09:42.17 | Fisker | picks on Shirik |
| 09:46.25 | Fisker | i should install my GTX480 in the PCI-Express/AGP or PCI-slot |
| 09:46.37 | Fisker | jams it into the pci slot |
| 09:46.46 | Fisker | that should work nicely |
| 09:51.35 | amro | saw off any bits that don't connect |
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| 09:55.37 | Alleidun | Why not f/2 instead :P |
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| 10:27.13 | Wobin | "Would Worgen Trees pee on themselves? Just a thought." |
| 10:27.29 | Fisker | no tree of life form anymore Wobin |
| 10:27.38 | Fisker | well it's going to be an active cooldown now |
| 10:27.41 | Fisker | but my point still stands |
| 10:27.48 | Wobin | no form, sure |
| 10:27.56 | Wobin | although I dunno |
| 10:28.06 | Wobin | the forms are what make druids druids |
| 10:28.28 | Wobin | it'd be stupid if you tanked in humanoid form, and occasionally turned into a bear |
| 10:29.04 | Fisker | Personally i think they should just have dropped the healing restrictions on it instead |
| 10:29.34 | Torhal | You wouldn't pee on a druid. |
| 10:30.00 | Fisker | i would |
| 10:30.11 | Fisker | some rumors going on about the paladin preview being leaked btw |
| 10:30.18 | Fisker | if the leak is true |
| 10:30.25 | Fisker | then i really really really feel sorry for Blizzard |
| 10:30.49 | Fisker | must be hard for their designers to either be forced into making a decision they know is wrong, or actually think the decision is right |
| 10:35.04 | ZorbaTHut | well, in theory the paladin preview is coming today, so we'll find out soon enough |
| 10:37.17 | Fisker | Well basically they're saying Paladins are overpowered in arena |
| 10:37.19 | Fisker | then i lol'd |
| 10:37.24 | Fisker | then i pinched myself |
| 10:37.26 | Fisker | then i woke up |
| 10:37.36 | ZorbaTHut | eh, everyone thinks they're not overpowered in arena |
| 10:37.44 | Fisker | They aren't |
| 10:37.54 | Fisker | But i wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard is retarded enough to believe it |
| 10:39.08 | ZorbaTHut | according to arenajunkies.com, virtually every single one of the top 25 teams has a paladin in it |
| 10:39.15 | ZorbaTHut | I'd consider that to be questionable. |
| 10:39.26 | ZorbaTHut | (admittedly they almost all have shamans and warlocks and priests also) |
| 10:39.38 | ZorbaTHut | (that's 5v5) |
| 10:40.30 | ZorbaTHut | they're over-represented in 2v2 as well. Curiously, they don't seem to be in 3v3. |
| 10:41.31 | Fisker | well they're probably holy paladins :P |
| 10:41.55 | Fisker | both the post and i were talking specifically about retribution |
| 10:42.07 | ZorbaTHut | ah, you did not mention that at any point :) |
| 10:42.07 | Fisker | but divine shield is basically a joke |
| 10:42.12 | Fisker | true |
| 10:42.30 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, I couldn't say - I'm not experienced with arena |
| 10:42.42 | ZorbaTHut | that said, if they believe paladins are overpowered, I suspect they believe it for good statistical reasons |
| 10:43.17 | Fisker | last i counted there are 5 retribution paladins that exist in the world that are rated above 2200 rating |
| 10:43.23 | Fisker | or atleast last i were told |
| 10:43.33 | Fisker | Gave up on PvP a long time ago |
| 10:43.42 | Fisker | Battlegrounds is alright, but the battlegrounds themselves suck |
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| 10:44.28 | harl | hola |
| 10:44.37 | ZorbaTHut | haha, some of the top arena team names are hilarious |
| 10:44.47 | ZorbaTHut | "CCed WITH REFLECT UP FUU" |
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| 10:59.15 | mascondante | Anyone on that knows their way around VB? |
| 11:05.01 | mascondante | I'm going to go out and smoke. My question is simple probably I just don't know how I'd phrase a google search. How do I change the tab order of text boxes/buttons. I'm trying to catch up on my programming homework and I threw a form together really sloppy like. I'd like to straighten it out before I submit it if possible. |
| 11:05.52 | haste | nothing is straigt forward in the world of VB! |
| 11:06.05 | Elkano | it's been ages since I last used vB :/ |
| 11:06.11 | haste | that being said I haven't touched it since VB6 :P |
| 11:07.56 | mascondante | haha yeah it's the first language I'm learning. I have a feeling I'll have a greater appreciation for LUA once I get around to figuring it out. I'm still at the pick-apart stage right now. Don't have time and don't want to get confused learning two languages at once. |
| 11:08.11 | haste | Lua* :3 |
| 11:08.17 | foxlit | Controls have a property that's named something along the lines of TabIndex |
| 11:09.25 | Fisker | btw haste |
| 11:09.28 | Fisker | can you believe this shit? |
| 11:09.46 | haste | I cannot believe that which I cannot see! |
| 11:09.49 | Fisker | They shipped my GTX 480 with a sticker saying to calm the fuck down before removing the graphics card from your system |
| 11:10.16 | haste | doesn't the GTX 480 get HOT LIKE HELL during load tho'? |
| 11:10.21 | mascondante | foxlit: you are correct. TY! |
| 11:10.26 | Torhal | Fisker: I thought it said "Do not put down pants." |
| 11:10.29 | haste | I've heard stories of people burning their hands severely on the cooler :P |
| 11:11.16 | Fisker | well don't be a fucktard |
| 11:11.22 | Fisker | mine is running 40c or so in 2d mode |
| 11:11.57 | Fisker | lol |
| 11:11.58 | Fisker | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 11:13.40 | haste | 40C isn't that much for a gfx card |
| 11:13.52 | haste | they can stand 130C heats just fine |
| 11:14.16 | mascondante | Variables/arithmetic done. (thanks again) On to 'mobile apps using decision structures' x_x |
| 11:14.17 | Fisker | the max thermal load for the 480 is 105c |
| 11:14.25 | Fisker | then it starts going crazy |
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| 11:15.45 | Fisker | anyway it's funny |
| 11:16.05 | Fisker | They're reference cards with another sticker on it |
| 11:16.54 | Fisker | So i find it seriously funny that there's like up to a 700dkk price difference on some cards |
| 11:17.06 | Fisker | that is literally $100 for another sticker |
| 11:17.15 | Fisker | http://i43.tinypic.com/e7yltz.jpg <- |
| 11:17.29 | Alleidun | dkk ? |
| 11:18.01 | haste | it's true tho' Fisker |
| 11:18.24 | Fisker | what is? |
| 11:18.29 | Fisker | danish kroner Alleidun |
| 11:18.38 | Alleidun | Det ved jeg godt :P |
| 11:18.38 | Fisker | about 5dkk for $1 |
| 11:18.45 | Fisker | failure |
| 11:18.48 | Alleidun | Which company did you buy it from ? |
| 11:19.25 | Fisker | the sticker is zotac i got it from dustinhome.dk |
| 11:19.42 | Alleidun | hmm allright |
| 11:20.22 | Fisker | the price was 38xx for the zotac but there are some that go all the way up to 45xx |
| 11:20.36 | Fisker | and there's absolutely no difference but the sticker |
| 11:20.59 | Alleidun | no specification differences ? |
| 11:21.10 | Fisker | nope |
| 11:21.32 | Alleidun | that's odd |
| 11:21.34 | Fisker | it is the exact same card in every way |
| 11:22.03 | haste | not always |
| 11:22.04 | Fisker | http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/10/04/14/862.png <- |
| 11:22.15 | Fisker | haste it is in this case |
| 11:22.18 | haste | it's the exact same base design tho' |
| 11:22.20 | Fisker | The vendor ID is Nvidia |
| 11:22.57 | Alleidun | Some companies overclock them and sells them a bit more expensive |
| 11:23.00 | Fisker | So basically: Nvidia makes card -> ships card to manufactorer -> manufactorer slaps on sticker -> over |
| 11:23.15 | Fisker | But you can't do that with the GTX480 unless you get a better cooling solution |
| 11:23.32 | Fisker | Normally nvidia will only supply the chip |
| 11:24.10 | Alleidun | I think XFX is one of the companies that change some of the hardware and clocks them. |
| 11:24.14 | Fisker | It should've had Zotac's vendor ID if it was only the chip, since Zotac would then have made the board |
| 11:24.31 | Fisker | As it looks like XFX doesn't seem very interested in nvidia |
| 11:24.38 | Fisker | but sure it'll probably come in a few months |
| 11:24.53 | Fisker | But every card out there now is just ones with different stickers |
| 11:24.55 | ZorbaTHut | pugging is watching the healer and a DPS argue over who deserves the tank shoulders more |
| 11:25.04 | Fisker | :D |
| 11:25.49 | Fisker | btw |
| 11:25.53 | Fisker | look at the sick 2d mode |
| 11:25.55 | Fisker | http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/10/04/14/btr.png |
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| 11:28.49 | Fisker | i cast doubt on anandtech's idle figures btw |
| 11:28.55 | Fisker | mine was running 40c idle |
| 11:28.59 | Fisker | not 51c as they claim |
| 11:29.23 | Fisker | though that's just the censor reading, don't know if they use something else |
| 11:37.15 | amro | isn't that a good thing? |
| 11:40.37 | Fisker | good thing for the card, bad thing for their credibillity :P |
| 11:40.48 | Fisker | though it could just be the updated drivers talking |
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| 11:58.29 | haste | Fisker: and the fact that GPUs are never equal |
| 12:03.23 | ZorbaTHut | what are GPUs? we just don't know |
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| 12:21.47 | Kanedra | :( |
| 12:25.49 | ZorbaTHut | late BC heroics: yo dogg, I heard you like fear |
| 12:25.58 | ZorbaTHut | er, 5-man, not heroic |
| 12:26.18 | Kanedra | What happened with grid2 :( |
| 12:26.32 | Kanedra | I don't recognize it anymore |
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| 12:35.43 | zenzio | tickles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:35.45 | zenzio | ohai! |
| 12:36.04 | Lopeppeppy | Heya |
| 12:36.48 | Lopeppeppy | I had work nightmares last night. Ugh. Do not want to be here! |
| 12:37.34 | zenzio | you dreamt your users were using IE 4? |
| 12:38.31 | Lopeppeppy | Worse! |
| 12:38.32 | Lopeppeppy | I was!!!! |
| 12:38.47 | zenzio | NOOOO!!! |
| 12:39.20 | Lopeppeppy | See? |
| 12:42.45 | Jerub | so it turns out that a complete run of BRD is not a full level without rested. |
| 12:42.46 | Jerub | it's 2. |
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| 12:43.09 | Lopeppeppy | Neat |
| 12:43.10 | zenzio | without +XP gear? |
| 12:43.20 | Jerub | with +XP gear |
| 12:43.34 | Jerub | level 55 now. |
| 12:43.49 | zenzio | LFM Marshall run!! |
| 12:43.49 | Jerub | need to do dire maul, LBRS, scholomance and stratholme now |
| 12:44.07 | Jerub | sigh. |
| 12:44.14 | Jerub | at least i have until level 65 |
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| 12:44.34 | Jerub | but i feel like this is the first time since classic that these dungeons have been consistently run. |
| 12:44.37 | Jerub | it's kinda fun |
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| 12:46.07 | foxlit | Gr, some people on UI forums are actively annoying :/ |
| 12:46.39 | foxlit | Which is annoying in and of itself -- why care about people on UI forums? |
| 12:47.24 | Alleidun | why read UI forums ? |
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| 12:48.04 | Lopeppeppy | Hey! |
| 12:48.22 | Fisker | btw Lopeppeppy |
| 12:48.26 | Fisker | your fraud failed |
| 12:48.30 | Fisker | moo: gfx: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB |
| 12:48.48 | Lopeppeppy | Damn you and your wily postal delivery personage! |
| 12:49.06 | Lopeppeppy | I'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for that dog! |
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| 13:28.10 | Fisker | true Lopeppeppy |
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| 14:04.43 | alestane | sets off a snake trap, but they're just spring snakes. |
| 14:05.35 | Lopeppeppy | Lunch, how thoughtful. |
| 14:05.42 | Lopeppeppy | goes to get the roasting skewers. |
| 14:07.13 | alestane | You're going to roast springy joke snakes? |
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| 14:07.25 | Lopeppeppy | HUNGRY! |
| 14:08.11 | alestane | I guess so, yeah. |
| 14:08.42 | alestane | sets off a squirrel bomb for good measure. |
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| 14:22.21 | Cide | so... |
| 14:22.49 | Cide | any eta on when apple runs out of, say, 1-to-8-letter words prepended by "i"? |
| 14:25.11 | alestane | As long as they only need one a year they should be able to keep going for some time. |
| 14:26.00 | Cide | well iPhone OS 4 alone introduced like 4 different iStuffs |
| 14:26.08 | Cide | (iAd, iBooks, ...) |
| 14:26.26 | Ackis | iPorn! |
| 14:27.11 | alestane | lua> (26 ^ 2 + 26 ^ 3 + 26 ^ 4 + 26 ^ 5 + 26 ^ 6 + 26 ^ 7) * .4 |
| 14:27.15 | lua_bot | alestane: 3341233022.4 |
| 14:28.03 | alestane | So with we assume that only 40% of the possible 2-7 letter combinations are usable words (and that might be high) they've still got 3 billion options. |
| 14:28.06 | Gnarfoz | alestane: 2030, Apple announced "iXvFZvKQ" |
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| 14:30.24 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:30.28 | Lopeppeppy | heya |
| 14:32.54 | Fisker | ahahaha |
| 14:33.00 | Fisker | it's so funny it's sad |
| 14:33.07 | Fisker | the taiwanese paladin leak was apparently true |
| 14:33.08 | Fisker | lololol |
| 14:34.09 | Kaso | paladin stuff out? |
| 14:34.51 | Fisker | yes |
| 14:34.59 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, you realize they're actually talking about *buffing* ret paladins in arena, yes? |
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| 14:35.19 | Fisker | For the wrong reasons yes |
| 14:35.40 | kneeki | Wow... Been a LONG time since I've used mIRC |
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| 14:36.22 | Fisker | Besides they're actually trying to go "Oh they may need some work in Arena, but you shouldn't really care about that because Battlegrounds will be the focus in Cataclysm" |
| 14:36.33 | Fisker | so no not even sure there's a buff involved |
| 14:36.59 | Fisker | Just know that they know there is a problem, they don't just know what it is and they might not care either way |
| 14:37.27 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 14:37.48 | ZorbaTHut | I don't read it that way at all. they think that paladins are having trouble being properly balanced thanks to their excessive defensive abilities - stripping those a little will let them boost offense. they say they're going to buff paladins in arena, but also point out that arena will be smaller |
| 14:38.06 | ZorbaTHut | I think they do know exactly what the problem is, and have some idea on how to rebalance things, but also mention that the problem will not be as much of a problem. |
| 14:38.09 | Fisker | Divine Shield isn't even an issue in arenas as it is today, why should it be an issue in Cataclysm when everyone will be running around with atleast 50k hp? |
| 14:38.28 | ZorbaTHut | well they say exactly that |
| 14:38.29 | ZorbaTHut | "Furthermore, the healing environment of Cataclysm is going to be different such that a paladin may not be able to fully heal themselves during the duration of Divine Shield to begin with, so this may not be a problem." |
| 14:38.30 | Fisker | "If i sit down and do nothing and leave the room for 1 minute he might have killed me!" |
| 14:38.38 | Lopeppeppy | Strip defensive abilities just in arena/pvp, or "make them back into crappy tanks" ? |
| 14:38.44 | ZorbaTHut | so I don't know what you're so angry about, considering that they seem to agree with you |
| 14:38.54 | ZorbaTHut | lope, as I'm reading it, "reduce the survivability of ret and holy" |
| 14:39.22 | ZorbaTHut | they're not explaining it well, but if I get the gist of what they're saying: "ret and holy are too good at staying alive, so we had to reduce their damage output too much to compensate. we want to undo that." |
| 14:39.32 | Lopeppeppy | That would be fine. I just don't want to see paladin tanking in PvE suffer to balance PvP. Paladin tanks had such a long hard road to viability. |
| 14:39.48 | Fisker | also |
| 14:39.50 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's not what they're mentioning at all (I mean, remains to be seen what happens, but) |
| 14:40.10 | Fisker | even more lol is it that they said Protection tanks are OP in AoE tanking |
| 14:40.14 | Fisker | so they give them AoE disorient? |
| 14:40.16 | Fisker | hurr |
| 14:40.17 | Fisker | durr |
| 14:40.23 | Fisker | Hotfixed within 5 hours of live |
| 14:40.34 | Fisker | (They won't do it in beta because they'll insist on it not being OP) |
| 14:41.16 | ZorbaTHut | I can't tell if you're trolling or if you actually don't understand how largescale balance changes work :P |
| 14:42.39 | Fisker | huh? |
| 14:42.48 | ZorbaTHut | they're talking about *completely rebuilding the protection warrior rotation* |
| 14:42.53 | foxlit | So, paladins. |
| 14:42.59 | ZorbaTHut | those changes will utterly overpower adding a new AoE disorient spell |
| 14:43.03 | Fisker | don't worry |
| 14:43.05 | Fisker | i called it |
| 14:43.06 | Fisker | you'll see |
| 14:43.23 | ZorbaTHut | adding that spell is "hey, this is neat". rebuilding the rotation is basically a recreation from the ground up of how paladins work. |
| 14:43.52 | Fisker | AoE disorient isn't overpowered from a numbers perspective but from a mechanic perspective |
| 14:44.47 | Fisker | Infact we'll probably see it nerfed due to PvP as foxlit suggests |
| 14:44.52 | ZorbaTHut | do we even know if it's a disorient-blind? |
| 14:45.00 | foxlit | I do what to who now? |
| 14:45.04 | ZorbaTHut | or maybe just a numeric "you cannot see! -5% to hit" thing? |
| 14:45.20 | Cide | -5% to hit lolol |
| 14:45.31 | Fisker | " in a manner similar to Eadric the Pure's ability Radiance in Trial of the Champion" |
| 14:45.32 | ZorbaTHut | I mean I don't see any reason to believe it's equivalent to the Rogue Blind skill. |
| 14:45.43 | Fisker | I don't think you would mention a specific boss and then totally make it something else |
| 14:45.44 | ZorbaTHut | way to cherrypick sentences |
| 14:45.50 | ZorbaTHut | "This effect might end up only damaging those facing the paladinâs shield, in a manner similar to Eadric the Pure's ability Radiance in Trial of the Champion." |
| 14:45.59 | ZorbaTHut | similarly it also won't give you the same number of hit points as eadric |
| 14:46.03 | Fisker | I only picked the sentence that made sense |
| 14:46.07 | Fisker | Because the above is not true. |
| 14:46.10 | ZorbaTHut | they're talking solely about *what it hits*, not *how it hits them*. |
| 14:46.19 | Fisker | And that is not true |
| 14:46.24 | Fisker | It hits anyone looking at Eadric |
| 14:46.29 | Fisker | not those facing his shield |
| 14:46.29 | foxlit | Besides, the duration of the blind is what's important |
| 14:46.30 | ZorbaTHut | Eadric only hits characters facing Eadric. There's a clear sentence break. |
| 14:46.40 | Fisker | no he doesn't |
| 14:46.46 | Fisker | he hits everyone that looks at him |
| 14:46.50 | Fisker | nomatter the facing |
| 14:46.57 | ZorbaTHut | I didn't say "characters Eadric is facing" |
| 14:47.07 | ZorbaTHut | I said "characters facing Eadric", i.e. "everyone looking at Eadric" |
| 14:47.19 | foxlit | <3 Blessings, though |
| 14:47.23 | foxlit | Perhaps PP will die. |
| 14:47.26 | Cide | regardless |
| 14:47.27 | Fisker | but that's what Blizzard said ZorbaTHut |
| 14:47.40 | ZorbaTHut | No, it isn't. That's what your demented misreading of Blizzard says. |
| 14:47.45 | ZorbaTHut | That's not at all what Blizzard is saying. |
| 14:47.46 | Fisker | Yes, it is. |
| 14:48.00 | kd3 | "what blizz says" != "what blizz means" |
| 14:48.01 | Cide | the fact that they have an aoe disorient doesn't mean that they will be overpowered in the aoe department, given the magnitutde of the other changes |
| 14:48.09 | ZorbaTHut | cide, I'm not even convinced they have an aoe disorient |
| 14:48.13 | Cide | even if they do |
| 14:48.36 | Cide | but yes, it's possible they still don't |
| 14:48.46 | ZorbaTHut | but yes, even if they do, note that Protection is getting it instant-cast |
| 14:48.53 | ZorbaTHut | but that we have no idea what the cooldown is |
| 14:49.04 | ZorbaTHut | pretty sure even Blizzard wouldn't give someone a spammable AoE disorient ability :P |
| 14:49.49 | ZorbaTHut | if it's like a 2-second disorient on a 30-second timer, that's not bad at all. |
| 14:50.09 | foxlit | utterly horrible. wtb 1 year coolodnw. |
| 14:50.26 | ZorbaTHut | psht, you have no idea how horrible it is :P |
| 14:50.38 | Fisker | i'd figure 3 or 6 second disorient |
| 14:50.39 | Kaso | I think it takes a pretty deliberate bending over backwards to read that it isn't an aoe disorient. They called it a blind, and the only other blind in the game is a disorent, and they compare it directly to an ability which is an aoe disorient. |
| 14:50.46 | ZorbaTHut | the sky is falling, the sky is falling, oh no |
| 14:50.52 | Fisker | but 30 second cooldown |
| 14:51.04 | foxlit | a minute or three is more likely |
| 14:51.10 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: "Healing Hands (level 83): Healing Hands is a new healing spell. The paladin radiates heals from him or herself, almost like a Healing Stream Totem. It has a short range, but a long enough duration that the paladin can cast other heals while Healing Hands remains active. 15-second cooldown. 6-second duration." |
| 14:51.21 | Fisker | yeah maybe a minute |
| 14:51.23 | Cide | that's great |
| 14:51.28 | Cide | now paladins will become live lolwells |
| 14:51.34 | foxlit | hugwells! |
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| 14:51.40 | Fisker | holy paladin healing is now 2 spells instead of ! |
| 14:51.42 | ZorbaTHut | kittenwells |
| 14:51.42 | Fisker | 1!* |
| 14:51.43 | Kaso | lolwell: still useless probally |
| 14:51.57 | Cide | I still argue lightwell is a good spell |
| 14:51.58 | foxlit | lolwell should just pulse healing, really |
| 14:52.07 | Ackis | Cide: I thought you were smarter than that |
| 14:52.09 | foxlit | But then paladins might whine that they might be replaced by a well. |
| 14:52.30 | Cide | we had like 5 priests using it during huhuran |
| 14:52.33 | Cide | it was great |
| 14:52.34 | Fisker | what happens to sanctuary then? |
| 14:52.35 | industrial | it should just go away really because its yet another homogenization of abilities already present for other classes and they even name it, healing stream totem. |
| 14:52.55 | Fisker | yeah industrial |
| 14:52.57 | foxlit | It would be better to remove HST |
| 14:53.26 | industrial | I find the whole 'we want any combo of group to do anything' a weird argument for essentially giving everyone the same thing |
| 14:53.30 | Lopeppeppy | alestane: Come hug me for healz? |
| 14:53.49 | alestane | "We feel Retribution paladins need one more mechanic which involves some risk of the player pushing the wrong button, making the rotation a bit less forgiving." |
| 14:53.55 | alestane | hugs Lopeppeppy lots. |
| 14:54.06 | ZorbaTHut | I think the idea is that they want every class to be viable in every role, just perhaps with different mechanics behind it |
| 14:54.07 | Kaso | Cide: its a very strong healing spell, but the problem is the entire rest of the game is designed in such a way to make it useless. DPS rotations are too affected by small breaks and damage and healing in wrath is so fast that by the time you've even thought to run over to the lightwell you'll already be topped off. |
| 14:54.24 | ZorbaTHut | druid healing is quite different from shaman healing which is quite different from priest healing, even though they can all, y'know, heal roughly equivalently |
| 14:54.24 | Cide | well right now sure |
| 14:54.25 | Fisker | 6 buttons to push instead of 5 alestane |
| 14:54.26 | Fisker | ftw |
| 14:54.37 | Cide | but that's only because of the current metagame (I HATE THIS WORD BUT IT APPLIES) |
| 14:54.47 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, out of curiosity, is there anything they could have said that would have made you happy? |
| 14:54.55 | Cide | they've stated they're going back to bc/vanilla ideals with regards to healing |
| 14:54.56 | Lopeppeppy | lolwell is nice for... um... after wipes, instead of eating? I dunno? |
| 14:55.09 | Cide | lightwell was great during bc/vanilla |
| 14:55.16 | Cide | when people weren't topped off within 1 gcd |
| 14:55.32 | Cide | and when healers couldn't deal with the rogue who accidently stood in the fire for 2 seconds too long |
| 14:55.48 | Cide | because they had higher prioritized targets |
| 14:55.53 | industrial | You know what would make me happy? |
| 14:56.01 | Cide | going back to that model? yeah, me too |
| 14:56.04 | industrial | Seeing the number of orbs I have left on any shaman shield actually flying around me. |
| 14:56.05 | Kaso | if it was like it is now (with the 30% break) it would have been awesome in vanilla, but the 1 damage break back then was very frustrating |
| 14:56.16 | industrial | not one clump of poo, 9 clumps of poo on the tank! |
| 14:56.43 | industrial | ^^ |
| 14:57.10 | Fisker | Yes ZorbaTHut |
| 14:58.41 | Lopeppeppy | I loved lightwells when I was still a rogue. |
| 14:58.58 | Cide | and they will once again be useful |
| 14:59.00 | Cide | yessss |
| 14:59.06 | kd3 | wait, wait... people used lightwells? |
| 14:59.14 | kd3 | my priests just laughed back in classic |
| 14:59.16 | Cide | on huhuran, for sure |
| 14:59.21 | Cide | your priests were bad |
| 14:59.29 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes, yes. Not all that often, but they did have some good use. |
| 14:59.34 | Cide | (it wasn't great back then either; very situational, but useful) |
| 14:59.34 | kd3 | #2 in the world (go medivh) on huhupants |
| 14:59.43 | Cide | hmm medivh |
| 14:59.50 | Cide | what guild? |
| 14:59.57 | kd3 | TT |
| 15:00.07 | Cide | hm? |
| 15:00.16 | kd3 | the transcendent |
| 15:00.21 | Cide | can't remember |
| 15:00.34 | Cide | was thinking of a proudmoore guild actually |
| 15:01.02 | Cide | didn't a medivh guild get world first on onyxia? |
| 15:01.17 | kd3 | ascent? |
| 15:01.20 | Cide | yeah, that's it |
| 15:01.29 | Cide | but maybe that was ragnaros |
| 15:01.33 | kd3 | it was rag iirc |
| 15:04.35 | Kaso | I do like that they're bringing Heal <strike>(rank4)</strike> back for cataclysm |
| 15:05.06 | Cide | dude, it's <s>. |
| 15:05.50 | olafski | what's the point of addon packs like http://wow.curse.com/downloads/packs/5761/default.aspx exactly? :s they seem to have included a buttload of addons.. I wonder what kind of person uses that |
| 15:05.58 | olafski | not to mention there's no bar addon ;p |
| 15:06.39 | Cide | it contains bartender4 |
| 15:06.42 | olafski | hmm |
| 15:06.46 | olafski | doesn't show on the screenshot =( |
| 15:07.00 | foxlit | olafski: <3 addon packs |
| 15:07.07 | olafski | really? hm |
| 15:07.07 | foxlit | iirc they don't show up as actual addons |
| 15:07.08 | foxlit | W |
| 15:07.13 | foxlit | hich is a HUGE improvement. |
| 15:07.33 | olafski | not sure I get that :P |
| 15:08.17 | foxlit | In the olden days(tm), people used to upload collections of addons to curse in much the same fashion as actual addons |
| 15:08.22 | olafski | it shows up as "addonpack" on your addon list? |
| 15:08.36 | foxlit | So the new addons / updated addons stuff would get spammed with essentially zero-value material |
| 15:08.53 | foxlit | This moves them to somewhere they don't do harm, presumably. |
| 15:09.07 | foxlit | [I imagine it's a low-cost "Hey, can I get your UI?" solution] |
| 15:09.25 | olafski | I see, this doesn't really speak in favor of addon packs though.. I'm just wondering who downloads 50 addons at once instead of just what he needs |
| 15:09.32 | olafski | he/she =) |
| 15:09.40 | foxlit | people who can't be bothered to set up anything |
| 15:09.59 | foxlit | It's a rather daunting task to filter through all of the addons on curse/wowi and figure out what you actually want |
| 15:10.11 | foxlit | So it seems cheaper to click one magical button, get 50, and see if you like the effect. |
| 15:10.16 | olafski | hm |
| 15:10.19 | olafski | and what about resolutions? |
| 15:10.33 | Lopeppeppy | What about them? *innocent look* |
| 15:10.49 | Cide | never design for over 1280x1024; there's too low penetration |
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| 15:11.04 | olafski | cide: sure but I imagine this stuff "scales" with equal aspect ratios? |
| 15:11.18 | olafski | I use 16:9 atm though.. when I switched from 16:10 it was horrible, had to move all my addons |
| 15:11.22 | Cide | made a web designer joke |
| 15:11.34 | Cide | s/joke/trolling attempt/ |
| 15:11.38 | olafski | well for webdesign that holds quite well I'd say |
| 15:11.49 | Cide | well yes, that's why I said it! |
| 15:11.49 | olafski | 1280x1024 seems like a good resolution to design for ;) |
| 15:15.52 | olafski | woot, 20 baby raptor teeth =) |
| 15:17.09 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:28.54 | alestane | http://www.ted.com/talks/adora_svitak.html |
| 15:29.09 | alestane | She's 12. Less than a minute into the talk and she's already scaring me. |
| 15:30.13 | Fisker | what to do alestane ? |
| 15:30.48 | alestane | Have a sandwich and take a nap? |
| 15:31.44 | kneeki | alestane: ... wow, she's an amazing speaker |
| 15:31.51 | zenzelezz | I think you misspelled fap |
| 15:32.44 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz. She's only 12, be nice. |
| 15:32.54 | zenzelezz | I was talking about what he told Fisker |
| 15:33.46 | kneeki | Aww... She uses words I don't even know. :( |
| 15:33.50 | kneeki | I hope someone wrote that for her. |
| 15:34.41 | alestane | I wouldn't cout on that, kneeki. |
| 15:34.43 | alestane | count* |
| 15:35.21 | kneeki | Charging her sister interest makes me lol |
| 15:35.36 | alestane | I'm a firm believer that our school system does as much to stunt children as it does to cultivate them. |
| 15:35.55 | alestane | He can do that too if he wants, zenzelezz, as long as he doesn't share. |
| 15:39.39 | alestane | This girl's been writing heavily since she was seven, including blogging, and I'm sure that that's the biggest reason she's able to present so persuasively. If she'd been surrounded by people who kept her off the internet for fear of porn sites or child predators, I doubt she'd have developed her powers of communication nearly so well or so quickly. |
| 15:40.07 | Cide | good talk |
| 15:40.56 | zenzelezz | "internal static extern IntPtr CreateFile([...]"... internal extern? |
| 15:41.38 | alestane | I think I knew "reciprocal" by age twelve or thirteen, kneeki. |
| 15:41.45 | Cide | so did I |
| 15:41.47 | Cide | 1/x |
| 15:42.11 | alestane | That too, of course, That I learned around ten or so. |
| 15:42.29 | Cide | psh, always trying to better me! |
| 15:42.38 | zenzelezz | that's odd, most guys don't know about reciprocating |
| 15:42.41 | Cide | maybe I learned it by 9. |
| 15:43.04 | Cide | zenzelezz: I was taught 1/x meant turning (bending?) over |
| 15:43.32 | DWSR | We want to increase the duration of Sacred Shield to 30 minutes and keep the limit to one target. The intention is that the paladin can use it on their main healing target. That said, we would like to improve the Holy paladin toolbox and niche so that they donât feel quite like the obvious choice for tank healing while perceived as a weak group healer. |
| 15:43.34 | DWSR | Wait, what? |
| 15:43.59 | Cide | about that |
| 15:44.00 | Cide | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/14/combi-chef-6-microwave-has-a-usb-port-nothing-else-matters/ |
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| 15:44.49 | alestane | "We love challenges, but when expectations are low, trust me, we will sink to them." |
| 15:45.06 | alestane | I saw that myself in retail management. |
| 15:47.19 | DWSR | From the Firelands within the Elemental Plane, Ragnaros and his minions prepare to burst into Hyjal and set Nordrassil ablaze -- and the conflagration would endanger all life on Azeroth. <--- Wait, WHAT? |
| 15:47.29 | DWSR | Molten Core was merely a setback, apparently. |
| 15:47.41 | durcyn | i thought the world tree was in teldrassil now |
| 15:47.44 | kneeki | Good thing Ragnaros didn't die... |
| 15:47.47 | durcyn | isn't hyjal kind of vestigial |
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| 15:48.22 | DWSR | durcyn: No. |
| 15:48.26 | DWSR | It's in Nordrassil. |
| 15:48.27 | zenzelezz | DWSR: did you ignore the best part, where they said you'd meet Ysera and Malfurion? |
| 15:48.29 | DWSR | It's never moved. |
| 15:48.45 | DWSR | zenzelezz: I was skim reading. |
| 15:48.48 | DWSR | Oh DUDE. |
| 15:48.51 | DWSR | WIN |
| 15:49.01 | DWSR | Still don't like retcon'ing Rag back into the story, though |
| 15:49.04 | Fisker | zenzelezz |
| 15:49.32 | DWSR | Anyone know WTF is up with the Sacred Shield duration increase? |
| 15:49.38 | zenzelezz | DWSR: when Ragnaros died in Molten Core, did they say he was really dead? I'm not very well versed in elemental lord lore |
| 15:49.40 | Fisker | damn zenzelezz |
| 15:49.43 | Fisker | you damn pedophile |
| 15:49.46 | Fisker | fapping to 12 year olds |
| 15:50.26 | DWSR | zenzelezz: I would imagine that we either a) sent him back to the elemental plane or b) outright killed him. The deal with the Hydraxian Waterlords makes it seem like we killed him. |
| 15:50.28 | Cide | zenzelezz: only for 7 days? |
| 15:50.40 | DWSR | zenzelezz: However, if we didn't kill him, that means he *should* only be level 60, and is soloable. |
| 15:50.52 | DWSR | So they're definitely performing a retcon QED |
| 15:51.38 | DWSR | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/april/WoW2_1600x1200_US.jpg <--- BTW, shit's boss. |
| 15:51.40 | Fisker | NAW |
| 15:51.54 | Fisker | you're so durr DWSR ! |
| 15:52.02 | DWSR | ~Fisker++ |
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| 15:53.20 | Fisker | You should go play some classic again :3 |
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| 15:53.41 | Fisker | You would know that he infact lives in the elemental plane, but the idea was that the twillight hammer was trying to summon him back |
| 15:53.57 | Fisker | The version in Molten Core is basically just a weakened version |
| 15:54.07 | Fisker | The one we will be facing is in the elemental plane where he is at full strength |
| 15:54.18 | alestane | It's the premature fragment of Ragnaros. |
| 15:54.40 | Fisker | Infant Ragnaros if you will |
| 15:54.52 | zenzelezz | sort of like when Kil'Jaeden manages to really get back to Azeroth? |
| 15:55.01 | Fisker | kinda |
| 15:55.03 | DWSR | heh |
| 15:55.15 | DWSR | Ok, not so much a retcon then, but still kinda lame, imo. |
| 15:55.22 | zenzelezz | it seems peculiar |
| 15:55.35 | Fisker | I believed it was considered more lame back then that we could kill ragnaros |
| 15:55.38 | Fisker | this was the excuse |
| 15:55.42 | DWSR | Though, I guess it's a nice idea for them to bring back bosses from classic that most people who play now haven't seen. |
| 15:56.05 | Fisker | The thing about nostalgia is that it's not always quite how you remembered it |
| 15:56.13 | zenzelezz | Ragnaros used to be the boss all the casuals (on my realm) talked about |
| 15:56.25 | Fisker | Ragnaros was pretty epic, no doubt about it, but i'm not sure it'll live up to the expectations |
| 15:56.34 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Yeah, but how many subscribers did WoW have then vs. now? |
| 15:56.58 | zenzelezz | "Come, you minions of fire; come forth, you creatures of hate; your master calls!" |
| 15:56.58 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Even if *everyone* who subbed then got to killed Rag (which they didn't), that's still probably not half of all people who are subbed now. |
| 15:57.40 | zenzelezz | DWSR: oh, I didn't mean it like that; I just remember that the people who didn't get to do much raiding didn't know about Nefarian or C'thun as much as they did Ragnaros |
| 15:58.03 | zenzelezz | by the way, isn't Nefarian also returning? |
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| 15:59.58 | Lunessa | Station |
| 16:00.00 | kneeki | zenzelezz: That'd be neat |
| 16:00.02 | Cide | nooo |
| 16:00.07 | Cide | you win this time, Lunessa |
| 16:00.22 | Lunessa | Muwahahaha |
| 16:00.48 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, dear. |
| 16:01.08 | Lunessa | huggles the Lopeppeppy and fights off the evil Cross-Out-Text Monster |
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| 16:01.35 | Cide | ~botmail for Lunessa STATION |
| 16:01.37 | Cide | I win next time. |
| 16:02.26 | Lunessa | Curses! Foiled again! It would have worked too, if not for purl and you meddling kids! |
| 16:02.27 | zenzelezz | kneeki: http://www.wowwiki.com/Nefarian#Alleged_death |
| 16:03.04 | kneeki | :D |
| 16:03.10 | foxlit | "It might be possible that since Cho'gall is resurrecting C'Thun, that Deathwing has sent some rather powerful Twilight's Hammer members to do the same to Nefarian. |
| 16:03.10 | foxlit | [edit]" |
| 16:03.11 | ckknight | what's the maximum amount of characters one can send as a chat message? Also, is that bytes or unicode characters? |
| 16:03.19 | foxlit | bytes |
| 16:03.25 | foxlit | hear the ruRU players whine |
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| 16:03.39 | ckknight | k, and how many bytes can be sent in a single /p message? |
| 16:03.48 | ckknight | is it 255 or less than that? |
| 16:03.51 | foxlit | I asume 254 |
| 16:04.17 | ckknight | k |
| 16:04.48 | foxlit | Hm, 255, actually. |
| 16:05.03 | foxlit | Or so the SAM docs suggest |
| 16:07.01 | foxlit | "And if there are any armchair programmers out there temped to reply "That's so easy; I could do it in 5 min," you should send a resume. :) " |
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| 16:07.31 | Shirik | ? |
| 16:07.40 | foxlit | Tracking absorption effects. |
| 16:09.46 | Ackis | That's so easy; I could do it in 5 min |
| 16:09.50 | Ackis | foxlit: ^ |
| 16:09.53 | Ackis | e-mail for resume is? |
| 16:09.54 | Ackis | ;) |
| 16:10.06 | foxlit | He doesn't say. |
| 16:11.06 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:11.36 | foxlit | From my armchair, it looks like they should just add (aborption left, initial absorption) to fade/removal combat events absorption effects. |
| 16:12.35 | foxlit | Must track that data already to actually remove the buffs once their absorption limit is reached. |
| 16:14.36 | Cide | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wucEINuw5gg |
| 16:15.27 | Ackis | olafski became a fan of FarmVille Sheep. |
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| 16:21.37 | alestane | Hometime. |
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| 16:30.15 | olafski | ackis: :O |
| 16:30.21 | olafski | who doesn't like sheep |
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| 16:36.50 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: Thank you for introducing me to htop. Damn handy tool. |
| 16:37.12 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 16:37.17 | nevcairiel | like top, just with usability |
| 16:37.53 | Dashkal | Exactly! |
| 16:38.51 | Adys | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/04/14/1425215/How-Chat-and-Youth-Are-Killing-the-Meeting |
| 16:38.56 | Adys | They make it sound like it's a bad thing |
| 16:39.03 | Adys | I see "30 hours per week" I go bawww |
| 16:39.13 | Adys | Like fisker when someone steps on his balls |
| 16:40.29 | mascondante | grr finally got first project done. |
| 16:42.17 | mascondante | I now see what you guys was talking about when I asked if this VB class would help me grasp lua and was told no. |
| 16:42.58 | Adys | And you still went ahead? |
| 16:43.10 | Adys | http://diveintopython.org/ |
| 16:43.11 | Adys | here |
| 16:43.14 | Adys | do something useful |
| 16:43.39 | nevcairiel | VB doesnt really help you much with programming at all |
| 16:43.39 | Ackis | Adys: Fisker has balls? |
| 16:43.47 | nevcairiel | you'll just be sloppy and get away with it |
| 16:44.04 | nevcairiel | Learn something strict, then afterwwards be happy about the freedom in other languages :D |
| 16:44.07 | mascondante | lol ty. I had to take this class it's one of the requirements to get my degree. |
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| 16:46.25 | Adys | The following information was used to improve your search results for bork bork bork: |
| 16:46.25 | Adys | Veb HeesturyOone ur mooore eeteems een uur Veb Estoory weer uused tuu eempruve seerch reezuults. |
| 16:47.33 | mascondante | yikes |
| 16:55.49 | Adys | "IE Losing 10% Market Share Every Two Years" |
| 16:56.17 | Adys | How to sensationalize a headline: If the numbers are too low, multiply the duration until they're high enough |
| 16:56.49 | Adys | Example: "The population of the earth gets wiped out three times over every 150 years" |
| 16:57.20 | DWSR | Adys: Yeah |
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| 16:59.17 | Gintaro | nevcairiel: VB helps! |
| 16:59.24 | Gintaro | On Error: Resume Next |
| 16:59.59 | Shirik | I am going to hurt you |
| 17:00.13 | Gintaro | :D |
| 17:00.16 | Shirik | also, Dashkal, wtf |
| 17:00.20 | Shirik | Even _I_ knew about htop |
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| 17:00.27 | Adys | eh |
| 17:00.34 | Adys | even _I_ knew about it too |
| 17:00.43 | Gintaro | htop: command not found |
| 17:01.59 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 17:02.01 | Fisker | imma kill you |
| 17:02.01 | Fisker | bie |
| 17:02.04 | Fisker | bye* |
| 17:02.24 | Gintaro | ohh, htop is just a fancy top |
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| 17:02.42 | Shirik | no, it's what nevcairiel said, a top with usability |
| 17:03.09 | Gintaro | Oeh! Tree view is awesome |
| 17:03.39 | Dashkal | Shirik: I only learned about the existance of CPU-Z this week as well... |
| 17:04.07 | Dashkal | wonders how many other very cool utilites he's missed. |
| 17:04.18 | Dashkal | Grammar fail |
| 17:04.51 | Gintaro | dd |
| 17:05.34 | Fisker | speaking of CPU-Z (but with a G instead) |
| 17:05.34 | Fisker | http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/10/04/14/862.png |
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| 17:05.57 | Shirik | stabulates Fisker |
| 17:07.48 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 17:08.49 | Shirik | yes Fisker |
| 17:09.12 | nevcairiel | that reminded me to update my nvidia driver, supposedly the video playback was fixed |
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| 17:11.02 | Dashkal | Gintaro: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda? |
| 17:11.50 | nevcairiel | better use /dev/zero, its alot faster |
| 17:12.28 | Dashkal | True. The only time I actually use that sort of command is when I'm playing with crypto |
| 17:12.42 | nevcairiel | i use that to benchmark hdds sometimes |
| 17:12.54 | nevcairiel | dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/foo/bar |
| 17:13.00 | Fisker | my GTX 480 is a lot faster than /dev/zero |
| 17:13.08 | nevcairiel | or other way around with /dev/null for read benches |
| 17:14.43 | haste | Fisker: http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/apps/top10appstorefree.html |
| 17:16.03 | Fisker | oh my god haste |
| 17:16.07 | Fisker | what have the terrorists done? |
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| 17:16.32 | Fisker | Though i guess it makes sense |
| 17:16.52 | Fisker | since google can't have any apps there without violating the lawl and everything else is shitty games and fart apps |
| 17:17.28 | Gintaro | Dashkal: or for making iso's |
| 17:17.32 | Fisker | i'd figure it isn't the top app in the US though haste |
| 17:17.41 | Fisker | that's probably fart apps |
| 17:17.43 | Fisker | (oh snap) |
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| 17:20.55 | Fisker | give me the charts for the US haste |
| 17:20.56 | Fisker | DO IT |
| 17:21.36 | Dagmar | nevcariel: You should write to the raw device to bypass whatever overhead the filesystem will create |
| 17:21.45 | haste | Fisker: find them yourself |
| 17:21.57 | Dagmar | There's also a simple way to temporarily disable write-caching but at the moment I can't freaking remember it |
| 17:23.43 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: but i wanted to test the effective performance of the raid array and its file system after tuning the same |
| 17:23.44 | Fisker | oh |
| 17:23.48 | Fisker | i hate them haste |
| 17:23.51 | Fisker | ya know |
| 17:23.54 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Ah... fair enough then |
| 17:23.58 | Gintaro | isn't hdparm enough for testing a hdd ? |
| 17:23.59 | Fisker | http://www.apple.com______/euro/_______itunes/charts/apps/top10appstorefree.html |
| 17:24.00 | Fisker | EURO |
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| 17:24.06 | Fisker | but it also shows US |
| 17:24.07 | Dagmar | Gintaro: Yeah |
| 17:24.14 | Dagmar | ...but it's a raw device write as well |
| 17:24.25 | nevcairiel | hdparm sucks for testing |
| 17:24.33 | nevcairiel | if you want real testing, use bonnie++ |
| 17:24.41 | Dagmar | If you're going to invoke an actual tool to test, ya might as well either stick with dd or go straight for Bonnie++ |
| 17:25.16 | Dagmar | hdparm is good for verifying you didn' do something stupid that resulted in the rather feature-barren generic PCI disk controller driver handling things |
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| 17:25.47 | Dagmar | Like, if you have a new disk, and hdparm tops out at 16Mb/s on the non-cached operation, you know you've muffed it |
| 17:26.51 | Gintaro | Does anyone here have a SSD? |
| 17:26.52 | Dagmar | Anything made after 2000 should peak at 33Mb/s or higher for the amount of data hdparm pulls |
| 17:27.01 | Gintaro | And does it actually make a difference on boot times? |
| 17:27.09 | nevcairiel | 33mb is rather slow tbh :P |
| 17:27.23 | nevcairiel | Gintaro: its mighty fast at booting |
| 17:27.25 | Dagmar | Ginatro: There's no seek involved, but unless you spend a whole bunch of time rebooting it's not worth the money |
| 17:27.48 | Dagmar | The reason to get one is environmental, space-constraints, that sort of thing |
| 17:28.06 | nevcairiel | It really does make your system feel alot more snappy |
| 17:28.22 | Dagmar | ...although lately I'm beginning to suspect "Simply not wanting to put a 250Gb disk in for something that needs only 5Gb space" begins to look good |
| 17:30.28 | Dagmar | nevcariel: It's rather hard to find drives that don't cost mint that will stay significantly (by which I mean more than ~45 or so) above that once they've exhausted their cache |
| 17:31.39 | nevcairiel | anything build in 2009 will do |
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| 17:32.20 | nevcairiel | one of the 500gb per platter drives, anyway |
| 17:32.42 | nevcairiel | they should be around 50-60mb/s at their slowest part of the drive |
| 17:33.26 | Dagmar | Yeah those still aren't the majority case out there unfortunately |
| 17:34.19 | Dagmar | hdparm reports 55Mb/s on this one, but if I use something that just reads the whole disk I'm lucky to see 48 out of it |
| 17:34.37 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
| 17:36.05 | nevcairiel | I wonder what my laptop can do.. |
| 17:36.25 | nevcairiel | 27, hooray |
| 17:36.39 | Dagmar | hopefully less, since it's likely a 5400rpm drive (because we value our batteries) |
| 17:37.25 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 17:37.25 | Fisker | i have a GTX480 |
| 17:37.43 | nicoli_s | tioo bad its still not as good as my card |
| 17:39.16 | nevcairiel | the only card that beats it, is that ati thats basically two cards on one, and costs more then it too |
| 17:39.29 | Fisker | Care to wager on the life of a kid with cancer nicoli_s? |
| 17:39.37 | Fisker | Lets both try to find a cure |
| 17:39.41 | Fisker | the one who finds it first wins |
| 17:39.43 | nevcairiel | Timing buffered disk reads: 494 MB in 3.01 seconds = 164.19 MB/sec |
| 17:40.27 | nicoli_s | done |
| 17:40.27 | nevcairiel | my raid :d |
| 17:40.27 | nicoli_s | shotgun to the head |
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| 17:40.28 | nevcairiel | just had to run it now |
| 17:40.28 | Fisker | that was not the gpu alone! |
| 17:40.28 | Adys | Fisker: rofl at germany's 7th/greece's 6th |
| 17:40.28 | Fisker | :3? |
| 17:40.28 | nicoli_s | man i wish i had a better hd, its keeping my windows experience index down :( |
| 17:40.28 | Fisker | hurr hurr |
| 17:40.28 | nevcairiel | my index is capped at 5,9 |
| 17:40.31 | nevcairiel | from the disc |
| 17:40.46 | Fisker | my WEI went from 7.5 to 6.0 |
| 17:40.48 | Fisker | on graphics |
| 17:40.51 | Dagmar | I figured it was the video card holding those back |
| 17:41.16 | nevcairiel | and it is a PMR disc, short of 10k discs or SSDs one of the fastes you can get |
| 17:41.31 | Lunessa | ... I love Comp Sci professors who always want to tell me I'm wrong about why their computer doesn't work, argue endlessly with my fix, and then discover I was right all along. And by love I really mean "would rather gargle razor blades than do this" |
| 17:41.31 | nevcairiel | and still only 5,9 |
| 17:41.39 | Adys | Fisker: on iphone top10 |
| 17:41.42 | Dagmar | PMR? |
| 17:42.01 | Dagmar | Lunessa: How are they liking that new virus? |
| 17:42.14 | Dagmar | MTSU as a whole is just eat the f**k up with one |
| 17:42.17 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I'm considering bricking his computer. |
| 17:42.27 | nicoli_s | heh, same here nevcairiel, mine is at 5.9, would be 7.7 otherwise |
| 17:42.28 | Dagmar | They have forgotten the lessons of my time there. They have ignored my instructions on how to deal with it properly. |
| 17:42.30 | nevcairiel | Perpendicular Magnetic Recording, the new tech they use on the 500gb platters to increase density, and thus increase performance |
| 17:42.30 | Fisker | damn wtf |
| 17:42.35 | Fisker | yeah i saw it Adys |
| 17:42.40 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Oh, that's pretty much common fare now |
| 17:42.55 | nevcairiel | For all new drives, sure |
| 17:43.00 | Fisker | Just Cause 2 is at 40-50 FPS with everything turned up |
| 17:43.03 | Fisker | _everything_ |
| 17:43.12 | Fisker | 32xCSAA, GPU Water Simulation, etc. |
| 17:43.18 | nevcairiel | but i see some shops trying to sell people previous-gen drives by putting them in big ads etc |
| 17:43.45 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Well, yeah, gotta get rid of the things |
| 17:44.05 | nevcairiel | you know whats kinda amazing, i dont remember you ever spelling my name right :D |
| 17:44.18 | Dagmar | And let's face it... For most people a 500Gb drive is going to last longer than their computer without them every deleting or uninstalling anything (so long as they're not heavily into piracy) |
| 17:44.19 | Fisker | he doesn't know how to ztab> |
| 17:44.22 | Fisker | <tab>* |
| 17:44.44 | Dagmar | I have tab-completion disabled because it too frequently gets "ideas" about who I'm trying to talk to |
| 17:44.51 | nevcairiel | ideas? |
| 17:45.00 | nevcairiel | last-spoke order on tab completion is usually all i want |
| 17:45.14 | Fisker | i don't care i just enter after the first tab and get it wrong |
| 17:45.16 | Fisker | Nechckn |
| 17:45.17 | Dagmar | wrong-person tab completion is usually what I get |
| 17:45.19 | Fisker | damnit! |
| 17:45.20 | Fisker | so close |
| 17:45.41 | Fisker | wait why is nicoli_s before nevcairiel ? |
| 17:45.42 | Fisker | oh wait |
| 17:45.43 | Fisker | durr |
| 17:45.44 | Fisker | voice |
| 17:45.45 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:45.54 | nevcairiel | your thing prefers voiced over others? |
| 17:45.56 | Dagmar | I'm generally typing well over 80wpm so it's not like a nick is more than an eyeblink to type |
| 17:45.57 | nevcairiel | thats a silly ordering |
| 17:46.34 | Fisker | btw |
| 17:47.06 | Fisker | I thought to get HDMI support in Nvidia you had to connect onboard audio to the graphics card? |
| 17:47.17 | Fisker | But it installed 4 "HD Audio" Devices :o |
| 17:47.21 | nevcairiel | depends on the card |
| 17:47.31 | Fisker | how does it get sound otherwise? |
| 17:47.33 | nevcairiel | some have that conenctor, newer cards also have a software thing now |
| 17:47.36 | Fisker | magic? |
| 17:47.39 | Fisker | oh wait |
| 17:47.45 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 17:47.47 | Fisker | is stupid |
| 17:47.48 | Fisker | NO SHIRIK |
| 17:47.49 | Shirik | I'll show you my magic |
| 17:47.50 | nevcairiel | like ATI always did it, just gives you a new audio device |
| 17:47.51 | Fisker | SHIRIK YOU WILL NOT |
| 17:47.56 | Shirik | (13:47:18) * Fisker is stupid |
| 17:47.58 | Shirik | (13:47:18) * Fisker is stupid |
| 17:48.01 | Dagmar | Fisker: On the newer chipsets that's no longer necessaryu |
| 17:48.05 | Dagmar | No silly patcharound cables |
| 17:48.15 | nevcairiel | that cable never worked for me, fwiw |
| 17:48.20 | nevcairiel | but i got me a hdmi sound card :d |
| 17:48.30 | Fisker | yeah nevcairiel i just figured out that since it's just an audio device it'll obviously send to it nomatter if it's also a graphics card |
| 17:48.30 | Fisker | durr |
| 17:48.33 | Cide | Shirik: can we get that topic'd |
| 17:48.35 | Dagmar | I have HDMI but I'm not bothering with it |
| 17:48.47 | Shirik | sorry I am not a neutral party |
| 17:48.50 | Dagmar | Mah TV has a DVI port, and I have a decent stereo with coax input |
| 17:48.53 | Shirik | you will have to ask Shadowed or someone else |
| 17:48.54 | Fisker | thinking about using my computer as a Media Center as well |
| 17:48.59 | Cide | Shirik: what? |
| 17:48.59 | Dagmar | So... f**k their DRM |
| 17:49.09 | Shirik | I am an involved party |
| 17:49.11 | Fisker | urr? |
| 17:49.20 | Fisker | DVI can carry HDCP as well i believe? |
| 17:49.23 | Shirik | I cannot abuse my operator privileges |
| 17:49.36 | Fisker | Also HDMI is basically DVI |
| 17:49.44 | nevcairiel | HDMI is DVI with audio |
| 17:49.47 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 17:49.52 | nevcairiel | its even the same electrical signal |
| 17:49.55 | Fisker | yep |
| 17:49.57 | nevcairiel | passive converters, etc |
| 17:50.00 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 17:50.09 | Dagmar | Cept PC video cards typically don't do HDCP under Linux. *ahem* |
| 17:50.22 | Dagmar | ...nor will I tolerate HDCP in my house. |
| 17:50.30 | nevcairiel | i use HDMI for better audio, cant get 8 channel LPCM over optical or coax connectors |
| 17:50.31 | Fisker | i don't even understand what the fuck it is or how it works :P |
| 17:50.42 | Dagmar | yes you can |
| 17:50.53 | Dagmar | It's optical that's made of craptacular plastic and LEDs |
| 17:50.58 | Dagmar | Coax will handle it fine |
| 17:51.03 | nevcairiel | no, it wont |
| 17:51.16 | Fisker | so basically the idea is that if you have a blu-ray and it's pirated then the HDCP will detect that and fuck you up? |
| 17:51.23 | Fisker | sounds like it's wiki time |
| 17:51.27 | nevcairiel | you can only send 2 channel LPCM or a compressed format like AC3 (which only allows 6 channels, fwiw) |
| 17:51.31 | Dagmar | The PS3 has yet to complain about it |
| 17:51.32 | Fisker | ah |
| 17:51.53 | nevcairiel | a pirated bluray is not their concern |
| 17:52.08 | nevcairiel | what the bluray protection is basically about, is to stop you from ripping the movie |
| 17:52.08 | Dagmar | That you're using non-monopoly equipment is their concern |
| 17:52.26 | Fisker | how pointless is HDCP? |
| 17:52.27 | nevcairiel | It requires a secure connection between all involved components |
| 17:52.43 | nevcairiel | like, if your TV doesnt do HDCP, you get a down-scaled video signal |
| 17:52.45 | Dagmar | ...and that secure connection doesn't happen until you've signed on board with their little cartel |
| 17:53.05 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt call it little, everyone is on there these days :d |
| 17:53.06 | Fisker | I just MITM-attacked your movie? |
| 17:53.09 | Dagmar | Comcast is just looking to push me into sorting out how to pirate their signal and publish this information |
| 17:53.41 | Dagmar | They keep eyeing downsampling composite output to 720p or worse |
| 17:53.42 | Fisker | I mean what practical application can there be for putting some kind of ripper between the source and receiver? |
| 17:53.45 | nevcairiel | I dunno, i dont mind it, it just works for me |
| 17:53.45 | Fisker | am puzzled |
| 17:53.46 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:53.49 | Dagmar | s/composite/component/; |
| 17:54.44 | Dagmar | Fisker: If your display doesn't to HDCP, the hardware is basically just supposed to assume you're an evil criminal and give either no output or in the case where someone in gov't authority has already growled at them, downsampled/degraded output |
| 17:55.16 | Dagmar | This is why you sometimes wind up spending another $250 for an HD Fury to handle the HDCP step by lying |
| 17:55.21 | Fisker | But why if my device does HDCP? |
| 17:55.22 | nevcairiel | all pc monitors do it like 6 years now or so |
| 17:55.32 | Fisker | s/why/what/ |
| 17:55.33 | Dagmar | Nothing in my house does HDCP |
| 17:55.40 | nevcairiel | so do tvs that can actually display those resolutions |
| 17:55.46 | Dagmar | The TV is less than a year old and both monitors are less than two |
| 17:56.01 | nevcairiel | I'm sure they are capable, its just a given these days |
| 17:56.05 | Dagmar | THey're not |
| 17:56.17 | Dagmar | Like I said, I won't have HDCP in my hous |
| 17:56.18 | Fisker | oh of course |
| 17:56.20 | nevcairiel | my cheap-ass monitor from 5 years ago could do it |
| 17:56.22 | Fisker | HDCP is licensed |
| 17:56.45 | nevcairiel | You probably pay more these days to get some exotic brand that doesnt have it =P |
| 17:57.10 | Dagmar | Component hookup |
| 17:57.44 | Dagmar | It doens't much matter anyway since half the time Comcast is still screwing around with downsampling their HD anyway |
| 17:57.47 | nevcairiel | So you would use some silly connection just so that your devices cant talk to each other, with no disadvantage to you at all? |
| 17:57.58 | nevcairiel | is confused |
| 17:58.02 | Dagmar | I suspect that's one of their _real_ issues with homebrew PVR people. We *notice* when they send out a 720 signal |
| 17:58.19 | Dagmar | nevcariel: There's no disadvantage |
| 17:58.36 | Dagmar | HDCP does not benefit me at *all* so I'm just not bothering with it |
| 17:58.45 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/521242726 |
| 17:58.45 | nevcairiel | There is also no disadvantage in just having a screen with HDCP |
| 17:58.48 | Dagmar | If anything, it screws me over |
| 17:59.17 | Dagmar | If I were using HDMI output on the cable box, I would have to buy yet another expensive bit of gear just to disable HDCP so I can acutally record |
| 17:59.35 | Dagmar | I am not intersted in subsidizing Comcast's laziness with a monthly PVR fee |
| 18:00.21 | Dagmar | As it stands they're really getting down to the business of squeezing consumers into paying more for less this summer |
| 18:00.24 | nevcairiel | that cable box is breaking the HDMI usage rights there then, though. isnt it? If you use a connection that doesnt support HDCP, its supposed to downscale you, anyway. |
| 18:00.31 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 18:00.49 | Dagmar | FCC put their foot down on that some time back, which pisses the monopolists off endlessly. |
| 18:00.50 | nevcairiel | Well i guess depends how comcast defines |
| 18:00.58 | nevcairiel | for bluray its defined like that |
| 18:01.08 | nevcairiel | you dont get around the protection by using a video card without hdcp |
| 18:01.26 | Dagmar | They're absolutely not allowed to disable or degrate component output because it would screw over early HD adopters whose equipment was made before those companies agreed on how to best screw consumers with HDCP |
| 18:02.00 | Dagmar | This is why you keep seeing stuff in the news about Selectable Output Control. They're trying desperately to get the FCC to budge on that so they can have their anti-competitive integration |
| 18:02.18 | Dagmar | Blueray has nothing to do with Comcast |
| 18:02.20 | nevcairiel | I have no issues with HDCP anyway, all i want to possibly record comes over IPTV without DRM |
| 18:02.36 | Dagmar | ...and I can play a Bluray disc fine, it just has to be freaking ripped first |
| 18:02.50 | Dagmar | nevcariel: You're lucky. There's _no_ IPTV option here |
| 18:03.18 | Dagmar | ...nor do I expect there will ever be one as long as Comcast and AT&T are the sole providers here |
| 18:04.18 | nevcairiel | TV is usually crap here anyway |
| 18:04.22 | nevcairiel | not worth worrying about |
| 18:05.05 | Dagmar | This month Comcast is not only turning off their analog broadcasts which they claimed they would not be doing until late next year, they're also taking out the VCR-friendly timed channel change on the digital boxes |
| 18:05.55 | Dagmar | So, if you'd like to keep watching cable, you have to get their box which is another monthly fee added. If you want actual HD there's no equipment change, but there's another $7/month fee solely for HD |
| 18:06.24 | Dagmar | Unless yhou want to spend money on gear like I've done, you basically also have to use their PVR which is more money per month, again |
| 18:06.52 | Dagmar | This practice of theirs of reducing services while increasing fees is morally questionable at best, because it couldn't survive in a market with actual competition |
| 18:07.19 | Dagmar | I am still a bit pissed about them trying to make me into a felon in 2001 |
| 18:07.22 | Dagmar | er 2003. |
| 18:07.54 | nicoli_s | whatd you do dagmar? |
| 18:08.08 | Dagmar | The same stuff I'd been doing for as long as I can remmeber |
| 18:08.14 | Dagmar | THey just wanted to make it a felony. |
| 18:08.33 | Dagmar | Remember that "SuperDMCA" bill that was floated in a few states and barely made it out of committee? |
| 18:08.55 | Dagmar | I was pretty much in Senator Persons' (his acutal name) face about it here. |
| 18:08.58 | Lunessa | The one that nearly made all TiVo users a criminal? |
| 18:09.02 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 18:09.12 | Lunessa | Or VCR users. |
| 18:09.19 | nicoli_s | wow thats pretty dumb |
| 18:09.33 | Grum | its usa :( |
| 18:09.40 | Lunessa | Yeah, someone failed to understand the implications of the bill they were sponsoring. |
| 18:09.41 | Grum | they invent dumb |
| 18:09.51 | Dagmar | Literally, if there was something you were doing at home with your "service provider's" connection, like connecting your cablemodem to a firewall, or a switch, or using a VCR to record a show from cable, if your service provider offered that as a for-pay service, you were comitting a felony |
| 18:09.57 | Dagmar | Lunessa: No they knew exactly what they were doing |
| 18:10.28 | Lunessa | Dagmar: The guys who conned Congress into talking about it? Yeah. Most of the lackwits sitting in the seats? No. |
| 18:10.56 | Dagmar | They were looking to increase profit by creating new markets based on the "we think you should pay us money for everything" principle |
| 18:11.29 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I actually had to make very dire threats about which newspeople I'd be talking to to get through Senator Persons' thick skull |
| 18:11.42 | Lunessa | I'm not opposed to the concept of copyright and media ownership. I'm just opposed to it being a tool to destroy and rob. |
| 18:11.50 | Dagmar | We sat through three days of committee bullshit without the people in the seats doing anything other than saying "I don't see a problem" |
| 18:11.57 | Dagmar | ...and "That is not hte intent of this law" |
| 18:12.09 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Yeah, like I said... idiots. |
| 18:12.16 | Dagmar | ...and my personal favorite "No one will ever be prosecuted for that" |
| 18:12.21 | Lunessa | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 18:12.23 | Dagmar | Idiots? No. _Criminals_/. |
| 18:12.53 | Lunessa | Well, yes. Idiocy can and does rise to the level of criminal. Routinely. |
| 18:13.10 | Dagmar | On day three Persons finally recused himself because it was "discovered" his son happened to be the head of a pro-cable group for the region. |
| 18:13.48 | Dagmar | I'm like, how the hell do you NOT know this? |
| 18:14.47 | Lunessa | Haha |
| 18:14.51 | Dagmar | I was rather hoping they'd have stuck to their guns |
| 18:14.56 | Dagmar | I'd really have liked to end his career |
| 18:15.26 | Dagmar | Two of the local broadcast stations here owed me serious favors |
| 18:16.11 | Dagmar | Getting that they were trying to pass a bill that would make everyone with a Linksys firewall in a felon (which has serious implications all it's own) would have been epic stuff |
| 18:16.21 | Dagmar | 10 o'clock news, no problem |
| 18:18.00 | Dagmar | Law professors would have been coming out of the woodwork to point out that allowing a private entity to dictate what is a felony crime, even by side effect, is just hellishly wrong lawmaking |
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| 18:25.57 | Fisker | Your attempts at being an attentionwhore is duly noted jnwhitehnotumour |
| 18:26.07 | jnwhitehnotumour | Fisker'd |
| 18:26.09 | Fisker | (j/k of course, good to see you made it) |
| 18:26.09 | Fisker | :P |
| 18:26.25 | Fisker | i on the other hand is not attentionwhoring at all |
| 18:26.26 | Fisker | http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/10/04/14/862.png |
| 18:27.09 | Grum | Fisker: that is one bad videocard |
| 18:27.22 | Fisker | badass videocard* |
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| 18:36.54 | Flowy | hello |
| 18:37.16 | Flowy | lua> print(strmatch("Mek-gin'chop,Winterspring,Robo-mecha","([-%'%a%s]*),*")) |
| 18:37.16 | lua_bot | Flowy: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'strmatch' (a nil value) |
| 18:37.27 | Flowy | how to get all words? |
| 18:37.34 | Flowy | lua> print(string.match("Mek-gin'chop,Winterspring,Robo-mecha","([-%'%a%s]*),*")) |
| 18:37.34 | lua_bot | Flowy: Mek-gin'chop |
| 18:48.21 | Lunessa | jnwhitehnotumour: Nice to have you online. I'm glad things went well. |
| 18:48.32 | Thunder_Child | [Shirik] (odd brackets notwithstanding) seems to be the regex channel whore, he might know. |
| 18:48.34 | jnwhitehnotumour | Thanks, me too! |
| 18:49.23 | Lunessa | Also, picture of you with Teddy Bear is is a nice touch. :) |
| 18:49.33 | mikma | jnwhitehnotumour: awesome beard |
| 18:49.41 | mikma | jnwhitehnotumour: keep it and become house |
| 18:49.44 | jnwhitehnotumour | hehe |
| 18:49.58 | Seerah | huggles jnwhitehnotumour |
| 18:51.00 | Lunessa | Though I keep wanting to make a Kindergarten Cop joke, "It's not a tuh-mah anhy-mhore." |
| 18:51.48 | nicoli_s | lol kindergarten cop |
| 18:52.24 | Seerah | I notice that those English doctors convinced you of its spelling? ;) |
| 18:52.36 | jnwhitehnotumour | I live here now *shrug* |
| 18:52.40 | Seerah | :) |
| 18:52.49 | jnwhitehnotumour | spellcheck likes tumour and not tumor =) |
| 18:52.54 | Seerah | lol |
| 18:52.54 | jnwhitehnotumour | OOH |
| 18:52.59 | jnwhitehnotumour | i can breathe through both nostrils! |
| 18:53.02 | olafski | isn't that Junior, lunessa? |
| 18:53.02 | Thunder_Child | uh, Lunessa....thats not lascivious in any way. |
| 18:53.03 | Seerah | yay |
| 18:53.59 | Thunder_Child | and olafski might be correct there |
| 18:53.59 | mikma | jnwhitehnotumour: so, decided to stay there forewah? |
| 18:54.07 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: I'm not sexually attracted to Jim, and his current recovery doesn't strike me as good fodder for a dick joke. |
| 18:54.08 | jnwhitehnotumour | haven't decided anyting yet |
| 18:54.17 | jnwhitehnotumour | aven't even had the conversation :P |
| 18:54.34 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: hey, you were the one that stated 'all'. |
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| 18:55.04 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Get back in the crate and tighten your ball gag. (Happy now?) |
| 18:55.21 | Thunder_Child | since it makes no sense, no. |
| 18:58.09 | Lunessa | knows people in the channel are snickering. |
| 18:59.41 | [Shirik] | Thunder_Child? |
| 19:00.58 | Fisker | [Shirik] |
| 19:01.12 | Fisker | youre brakets r gae |
| 19:01.50 | mikma | and fisker is not a troll |
| 19:03.38 | Dagmar | He's just German. There's a (minor) difference. |
| 19:04.16 | Flowy | lua> print(string.match("Mek-gin'chop,Winterspring,Robo-mecha","([-%'%a%s]*)")) |
| 19:04.16 | lua_bot | Flowy: Mek-gin'chop |
| 19:04.19 | Flowy | how to get all words? |
| 19:05.11 | mikma | match for , ? |
| 19:05.29 | Flowy | yes |
| 19:05.52 | jnwhitehnotumour | for csv in string.gmatch("Mek-gin'chop,Winterspring,Robo-mecha", "[^,]+") do print(csv) end |
| 19:05.58 | jnwhitehnotumour | lua> for csv in string.gmatch("Mek-gin'chop,Winterspring,Robo-mecha", "[^,]+") do print(csv) end |
| 19:05.58 | lua_bot | jnwhitehnotumour: Mek-gin'chop, Winterspring, Robo-mecha |
| 19:06.31 | mikma | the man is clearly feeling well |
| 19:06.47 | jnwhitehnotumour | not enough |
| 19:06.51 | mikma | throwing lua from hospitalbed = priceless |
| 19:06.54 | Fisker | i'm danish Dagmar |
| 19:06.58 | Fisker | the germans don't want me |
| 19:07.02 | jnwhitehnotumour | normally I would have complained about the english phrasing of that question :P |
| 19:07.08 | alestane | Congrats doesn't seem like quite the right word, jnwhitehnotumour, but benedictions of some kind. |
| 19:07.16 | nicoli_s | throwing your bedpan from hospitalbed = double priceless |
| 19:07.21 | mikma | jnwhitehnotumour: oh, i know, pokemon! |
| 19:07.29 | mikma | gotta catch them akk |
| 19:07.33 | mikma | all* |
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| 19:07.36 | jnwhitehnotumour | hehe |
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| 19:10.54 | Jamash | huaghuaghaugh |
| 19:11.25 | Jamash | I was scheduled to work 10:30am to 2:30pm but there was a mixup and now they want me to come back in at 5pm and work until 9pm |
| 19:19.03 | mikma | we love youuu, you love usss, or we'll throw you under the bus |
| 19:19.07 | mikma | <3 sinfest |
| 19:25.37 | Jamash | I saw a larouchite on the street a few minutes ago |
| 19:26.12 | Jamash | I was going to roll down my window and laugh but the light turned green |
| 19:27.15 | Dagmar | wtf is a "larouchite" |
| 19:27.33 | Jamash | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche <--- american political wacko |
| 19:27.40 | alestane | A follower of Lyndon LaRouche. |
| 19:28.05 | alestane | One of the most bonkers pieces of entertainment ever to grace the American political stage. |
| 19:28.29 | foxlit | "self-styled" |
| 19:28.41 | Dagmar | The name is _vaguely_ familiar. Didn't he write some cowboy books or something? |
| 19:28.49 | Jamash | I don't think so |
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| 19:30.09 | Jamash | he's the guy responsible for the posters of obama with a hitler mustache |
| 19:30.38 | Vilkku | evening people, who wants to hold hands? :D |
| 19:30.54 | Vilkku | http://vilkku.pastey.net/135283 |
| 19:31.08 | Dagmar | Oh now I see |
| 19:31.09 | Vilkku | some times that reports that they don't have a buff when they have max duration |
| 19:31.23 | Vilkku | brb |
| 19:31.28 | Dagmar | I'd filed them under "loser brigade" because they're not even effective enough to be a threat, and not wild enough to be interesting |
| 19:32.00 | Dagmar | I'm almost suprised they didn't have anything to do with the Minneapolis RNC debacle |
| 19:32.05 | foxlit | "He was sentenced to 15 years' imprisonment in 1988..." |
| 19:32.14 | foxlit | "... but continued his political activities from behind bars until his release in 1994 on parole." |
| 19:32.32 | Jamash | he's crazy like a mental patient |
| 19:33.06 | Lunessa | Dagmar: The wonderful thing about our system is that the tent is big enough for all the whackos to find each other. The other wonderful thing is that by the time you have enough people angry enough, you can reform the government without resorting to pitchforks, torches and guerrilla warfare. |
| 19:33.40 | Dagmar | Acutally I'd say in this case the tent is so big that not all the wackos acutally manage to find each other |
| 19:34.07 | Dagmar | I mean, the guys "protesting" the RNC two years ago were mainlly complete fuckups |
| 19:34.23 | Dagmar | ...at least the ones connected with Indymedia were just plain idiots. |
| 19:35.03 | Dagmar | Spolied trust-fund wannabes hoping to impress hippie chicks |
| 19:35.15 | Dagmar | s/Spolied/Spoiled/; |
| 19:35.48 | Dagmar | The LaRouche crew are more organized, but their major and long-standing issue has been that they're just un-palatable |
| 19:36.26 | Dagmar | Winding up taking Godwin's Law in the face is a good example |
| 19:37.41 | Lunessa | Mmmm... hippie chicks. |
| 19:37.55 | nicoli_s | indeed lunessa |
| 19:37.56 | DWSR | wow. |
| 19:38.02 | DWSR | Druid healing @ L16 = Rejuvenation. |
| 19:38.13 | DWSR | Shit's boring. |
| 19:38.36 | alestane | http://askdreldritch.com/comic341.html ... Don't you wish you'd get one of these phone calls now and then? |
| 19:38.43 | alestane | Pretty much, DWSR. |
| 19:38.49 | DWSR | alestane: I read the whole archive this weekend. |
| 19:38.51 | DWSR | Fucking hilarious |
| 19:38.55 | alestane | I've finally gotten lifebloom. |
| 19:39.13 | alestane | Driud healing now requires some marginal amount of thought. |
| 19:39.20 | alestane | RIght at the same time I' |
| 19:39.21 | DWSR | I call shens. |
| 19:39.23 | alestane | ... |
| 19:39.32 | DWSR | This shit's so ezmode. |
| 19:39.34 | DWSR | It's like. |
| 19:39.36 | alestane | ...I'm trying to work Mangle and Lacerate into my tank rotations. |
| 19:39.38 | DWSR | OH LIFEBAR ISN'T FULL. |
| 19:39.41 | DWSR | REJUV |
| 19:40.12 | alestane | Once you get up a little higher it's: |
| 19:40.12 | alestane | Rejuv. |
| 19:40.12 | alestane | Wait. |
| 19:40.13 | alestane | Regrowth. |
| 19:40.22 | olafski | regrowth? :s |
| 19:40.27 | olafski | I never used that while leveling |
| 19:40.40 | DWSR | alestane: lol |
| 19:40.47 | DWSR | I'm using Clique + Grid, even at L16, that way I'm used to it. |
| 19:41.09 | DWSR | I think I might look at getting a GCD indicator around my mouse |
| 19:41.34 | Thunder_Child | [Shirik]: it helps to know whats going on if you read up to where i pinged you. |
| 19:41.44 | Arrowmaster | i did a RFK on my druid alt back in the day, using whatever the ace emergancy monitor addon was with clique |
| 19:41.53 | Arrowmaster | i face rolled though the instance |
| 19:42.05 | DWSR | lol |
| 19:42.10 | DWSR | I'm going to have to make my Grid a little bigger. |
| 19:42.12 | DWSR | Jesus fuck |
| 19:42.18 | alestane | I suppose I'll need to look into Clique once I start looking at raid-healing. |
| 19:42.56 | Arrowmaster | even at whatever level RFK was i was still just putting rejuv on people i think |
| 19:44.31 | olafski | I did all the way up to 80 with rejuv and healing touch I think =( |
| 19:44.43 | olafski | and innervate I guess |
| 19:44.43 | DWSR | I imagine you can |
| 19:44.46 | DWSR | This is so ezmode. |
| 19:44.51 | alestane | Healing touch eats mana. |
| 19:45.07 | alestane | But you only really need regrowth if you have an ambitious tank. |
| 19:45.32 | Arrowmaster | or you fall asleep and forget to rejuv |
| 19:45.48 | Kanedra | Ahh |
| 19:45.50 | Kanedra | ICC-25 going well :D |
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| 19:47.57 | DWSR | alestane: Yeah, I can see all of this |
| 19:48.16 | DWSR | I'm almost asleep in this RFC |
| 19:48.30 | alestane | Of course, I was tank-specced, the whole time, so healing got a little harder as time went by. |
| 19:48.42 | DWSR | I call shens |
| 19:48.48 | alestane | At level 65, today was my first comlaint that someone didn't think I was cut out to heal. |
| 19:49.13 | DWSR | get DS |
| 19:50.48 | alestane | Whichwhat? |
| 19:50.51 | DWSR | dualspec |
| 19:51.02 | alestane | As I said to her: |
| 19:51.09 | alestane | A great idea, if I had a thousand gold. |
| 19:51.23 | DWSR | No 80s on server? |
| 19:51.29 | alestane | First toons on servers tend to do things the traditional way. |
| 19:52.27 | DWSR | yeah. |
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| 19:52.36 | DWSR | I transferred my warlock from a server with herilooms and 2k gold. |
| 19:52.46 | alestane | On my original server, sure, something like 7/10 toons with DS. |
| 19:53.36 | DWSR | Ok |
| 19:53.38 | DWSR | Raid healing |
| 19:53.42 | DWSR | akin to whack a mole. |
| 19:54.04 | Thunder_Child | we need to get cross server mail so i can send the heirloom items around |
| 19:54.14 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 19:54.24 | DWSR | It's happening when they finalize BNet for SC2. |
| 19:54.36 | Acedis | Hello, I'm looking for someone who can assist me with getting Guild2guild working. Long story short: Doesn't work unless I connect it between the two guilds myself, from the same computer. Error 40 unlikely but possible - G2G is always set to "on" on both recipents, all guildmates I've tried it with have the same version as I do, we both use the same channels |
| 19:54.59 | Acedis | There's no password on the channels we try, and the guilds have no exclusive settings in guild info to prevent joining |
| 19:55.33 | Acedis | Anything I might have missed? |
| 19:56.32 | Dagmar | Are they both full accounts in good standing? |
| 19:56.32 | Dashkal | DWSR: Is that confirmed? |
| 19:57.04 | DWSR | Dashkal: Yeah. They've confirmed cross-realm mailing to toons on your own account for BoA's only. |
| 19:57.04 | Acedis | Dagmar: Yes, everyone I've tried connecting with is a full WotLK account with no issues whatsoever |
| 19:57.12 | Dagmar | G2G always "just worked" for me. A little _too_ well actually considering that the first time both myself and someone else in another guild fired it up with the defaults, which confused *everyone* involved |
| 19:57.21 | Dashkal | DWSR: Oh happy day! *dances* |
| 19:57.22 | Acedis | The ones I've got it working on are both my own. |
| 19:57.38 | Acedis | (however, when a friend borrowed the other one I had used, it didn't work) |
| 19:57.44 | Dashkal | I only need one set then, very very cool. |
| 19:58.15 | Dashkal | I play on two servers (one PvE for leveling, one PvP because I like the guild). Being able to share heirlooms will be very handy. Not to mention sending flying tomes over. |
| 19:59.22 | Acedis | Only thing I can think of that I havne' |
| 19:59.25 | Acedis | haven't tried* |
| 19:59.28 | Dashkal | Though I suspect the flying tome will be moot come 4.0 much like flying at 60 in WotLK |
| 19:59.50 | Acedis | is sending my G2G folder to the other users |
| 19:59.56 | Acedis | incase there's SOME file difference |
| 19:59.59 | Dagmar | No big deal since mid-air XP kinda sucks |
| 20:00.35 | Fisker | hard gay |
| 20:00.38 | Fisker | oh hey there |
| 20:00.46 | Dagmar | Oh the flipside of it, we'll probably be able to fly in Azeroth from day one |
| 20:00.52 | Dashkal | The ability to fly dictates my ability to level on a PvP realm. World PvP can bite me. |
| 20:01.04 | Dashkal | Rated BGs OTOH look sexy as hell |
| 20:01.09 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 20:01.10 | DWSR | This |
| 20:01.35 | Dagmar | DWSR: You can bite me about the WindowsUPdate thing, by the way |
| 20:01.40 | Dagmar | I've checked the settings on 8. |
| 20:01.43 | Dagmar | er Windows 7 |
| 20:01.53 | DWSR | huh? |
| 20:02.05 | Dagmar | Microsoft definitely has a mechanism that installs updates whether you allow it or not and then reboots you whether you like it or not |
| 20:02.15 | DWSR | Yeah, if you're a scrub. |
| 20:02.25 | nevcairiel | You know, you can configure that :d |
| 20:02.27 | Dagmar | I had it set to "ask before installing" last night, and right on schedule it said "HAH WE REBOOT NAO!" |
| 20:02.47 | DWSR | Your fail. |
| 20:02.50 | DWSR | Haven't had a problem with it yet. |
| 20:02.51 | nevcairiel | never happend to me, i just get a notifier "hai there, updates for you, you want?" |
| 20:02.58 | DWSR | ^ |
| 20:03.15 | Dagmar | DWSR: You blame me because microsoft products screw up? |
| 20:03.16 | nevcairiel | when it needs to reboot, i randomly get a popup asking me to reboot, or set a time to re-schedule |
| 20:03.21 | Dagmar | Did I mention it's a MICROSOFT product? |
| 20:03.29 | DWSR | Did I mention PEBKAC? |
| 20:03.32 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Yes, it's just ignoring that here |
| 20:03.34 | DWSR | and that it Works for everyone else? |
| 20:03.46 | nevcairiel | If it works for everyone but you, you should worry :) |
| 20:03.52 | Dagmar | DWSR: There's no such thing as "everyone else" on this |
| 20:04.05 | DWSR | There really is. |
| 20:04.12 | DWSR | nevcairiel and I are both experiencing the intended behaviour. |
| 20:04.19 | Dagmar | I suspect it's probably something special enabled by virtue of I have Ultimate edition on an EDU licence |
| 20:04.23 | DWSR | You've obviously misconfigured something, or you're being overridden by a GPO. |
| 20:04.27 | nevcairiel | XP is kinda annoying with its want to reboot button though |
| 20:04.31 | Dagmar | I'm not logging into any domain |
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| 20:04.45 | nevcairiel | its more subtle in 7 :d |
| 20:04.55 | nevcairiel | work pc asked for a patch reboot today too |
| 20:05.07 | nevcairiel | still on xp there |
| 20:05.08 | DWSR | Dagmar: It works fine. |
| 20:05.15 | Dagmar | Except when at 2:50am you tell it "Remind me in 4 hours" and ten minutes later the system just shuts down and reboots |
| 20:05.18 | [Shirik] | Examples of how not to give a status presentations: |
| 20:05.23 | [Shirik] | All feedback updates complete |
| 20:05.24 | [Shirik] | Grammer, citations, title change, etc. |
| 20:05.37 | [Shirik] | ^ partner sent this presentation to me |
| 20:05.46 | Fisker | [Shirik] |
| 20:05.56 | Fisker | why so brackets? |
| 20:06.04 | DWSR | stop highlights. |
| 20:06.19 | [Shirik] | no |
| 20:06.20 | DWSR | Dagmar: Also, just because you're not on a domain doesn't mean that you're not being overridden by a GPO. |
| 20:06.36 | Fisker | highlights DWSR |
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| 20:06.45 | DWSR | What colour? |
| 20:06.50 | Dagmar | DWSR: LIke I said, I suspect it's something bizarre about the licence, or just plain Microsoft code screwing up |
| 20:06.50 | Arrowmaster | pink |
| 20:07.06 | Dagmar | It's definitely configured to ask me before installing, and to not install until I tell it to, all that good stuff |
| 20:07.18 | Dagmar | Yet for security-related patches it does what it damn well pleases |
| 20:07.43 | DWSR | Meh. |
| 20:07.59 | Dagmar | ...and since that's like, every other patch they have, it's starting to really piss me off. |
| 20:08.16 | nevcairiel | get a real license already :d |
| 20:08.27 | Dagmar | I actually do have a real licence |
| 20:08.52 | Dagmar | Hell, I have a spare one in fact for 32-bit and 64-bit |
| 20:09.04 | nevcairiel | the keys dont care |
| 20:09.05 | Dagmar | ...although those are both for Professional |
| 20:09.12 | nevcairiel | if 32 or 64 |
| 20:09.25 | Dagmar | The .edu licence does |
| 20:09.56 | [Shirik] | Fisker |
| 20:10.15 | Dagmar | Those were like $40 apiece so I got one of each just to be sure I wouldn't have any problems with whatever VM I put them on |
| 20:10.27 | nevcairiel | i have 4 keys from MSDNAA |
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| 20:10.54 | nevcairiel | at least those are real keys for professional |
| 20:10.57 | haste | 2204.28| g Mollymus: my graphiccard fell out of its socket:( |
| 20:11.17 | foxlit | awesome. |
| 20:11.23 | Dagmar | haste: They *desperately* need a hot glue gun then |
| 20:11.24 | Dagmar | :) |
| 20:11.37 | haste | or less fail at assembling :P |
| 20:11.40 | Dagmar | It might take it a week or two, but it'll solve the problem |
| 20:11.45 | foxlit | nevcairiel: meh, I'm too lazy to email MSDNAA people for more keys |
| 20:12.00 | nevcairiel | i have some web interface thingy |
| 20:12.10 | nevcairiel | could get 32/64 for two languages |
| 20:12.12 | foxlit | Typically, that only issues one key |
| 20:12.35 | foxlit | With instructions to mail someone if you need more |
| 20:13.12 | nevcairiel | meh they locked me out of MSDNAA now |
| 20:13.28 | nevcairiel | was hoping to get VS2010 before my account expired |
| 20:13.47 | Dagmar | Then just pirate it properly |
| 20:14.06 | Kanedra | It's not on MSDNAA yet? |
| 20:14.06 | Kanedra | :( |
| 20:14.11 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 20:14.17 | Kanedra | At least, I can't find it |
| 20:14.17 | nevcairiel | my account is dead now |
| 20:14.23 | Dagmar | MSDNAA licences are only valid for as long as you're in MSDNAA afaik, so you'd still be pirating once that went away |
| 20:14.34 | Kanedra | Not quite, Dagmar. |
| 20:14.36 | foxlit | No. |
| 20:14.39 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:14.39 | foxlit | They persist. |
| 20:14.41 | Kanedra | Indeed. |
| 20:14.47 | Dagmar | Might as well just pirate it outright as to meekly download it from MS directly |
| 20:14.51 | foxlit | There's some sort of no-commercial-use, however. |
| 20:14.53 | nevcairiel | they are valid as long as you dont use them for money making |
| 20:14.57 | foxlit | ^ clause in the license |
| 20:14.59 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 20:15.05 | Kanedra | I always give away my keys |
| 20:15.06 | Kanedra | :D |
| 20:15.27 | Dagmar | There's a similar provision in the .edu licences |
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| 20:16.29 | Arrowmaster | i see Visual Studio 2010 Professional Beta 1 (x86) - DVD and Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate Beta 2 (x86) - DVD (English) |
| 20:16.30 | Dagmar | The MS rep had to tell me about it because the first part of all that documentation was making it look like if I quit my job, my desktop at home would suddenly be unlicnced |
| 20:16.58 | Dagmar | If it's worth using, it's worth paying for. |
| 20:18.06 | foxlit | Dagmar: "had to tell me about *it*" << what |
| 20:18.09 | foxlit | 's "it"? |
| 20:18.13 | nevcairiel | I dont pirate software, so yeah, once i need something new now |
| 20:18.20 | foxlit | (Hm, ' is too close to return) |
| 20:19.50 | Dagmar | foxlit: The clause in the educational licence that actually makes it stay valid once you're no longer affiliated with that instutition |
| 20:20.20 | Dagmar | The EULAs are getting ENTIRELY too goddamn long--and I'm a person who reads US code and laws |
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| 20:21.05 | Dagmar | I've gotten fired for political nonsense before so I'm careful to make sure that there's a minimal impact on what I do should it happen again |
| 20:22.12 | Dagmar | Getting fired or laid-off and subsequently having to shell out a few hundred bucks to keep running Windows legally would be pretty crap |
| 20:22.37 | Dagmar | So long as I'm not consulting it's no big deal |
| 20:23.24 | Fisker | no x64 versions or are they on the same disc? |
| 20:23.51 | Dagmar | Far as I know they're on different discs |
| 20:24.12 | Dagmar | The shiny hologrammed edu DVD of ultimate I have is definitely 64-bit only |
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| 20:24.24 | Dagmar | The two DVD images I have for Professional are 32-bit and 64-bit each |
| 20:25.04 | nevcairiel | they have universal dvds for different editions |
| 20:25.18 | nevcairiel | but x86 and amd64 are seperate |
| 20:25.20 | Dagmar | Well, they're all basically universal now |
| 20:25.55 | Dagmar | If they've got that little "upgrade anywhere" graphic on them, what licence key you put in pretty much dictates what it installs because the disc will have all the files from Ultimate on it |
| 20:26.07 | Dagmar | 'cept for the platform |
| 20:26.24 | Shadowed | what |
| 20:26.28 | nevcairiel | If you dont put in a key during install, it actually asks you which edition to install |
| 20:26.35 | Shadowed | who is asking me what |
| 20:26.44 | Dagmar | That sounds like an MSDNAA version feature |
| 20:26.55 | nevcairiel | MSDNAA keys are only for professional |
| 20:26.59 | nevcairiel | what would the point in that be |
| 20:27.10 | Dagmar | So you can test WTF happens on a different install |
| 20:27.47 | foxlit | One would think that that is a bit beyond the scope of MSDNAA |
| 20:27.50 | Dagmar | ...without having to (embarassingly) pirate Home edition |
| 20:28.11 | Fisker | hey shadowed |
| 20:28.15 | nevcairiel | I dont own anything besides those MSDNAA editions |
| 20:28.18 | nevcairiel | so i wouldnt know |
| 20:28.31 | nevcairiel | but try next time, dont put in a key during install |
| 20:28.31 | Fisker | btw i will hear no such blasphemy nevcairiel |
| 20:28.33 | Fisker | amd64 |
| 20:28.34 | Fisker | BLASHEPMER |
| 20:28.35 | Dagmar | They're probably just cloning their MSDN images for it |
| 20:28.40 | Fisker | BLASPHEMER* |
| 20:28.56 | nevcairiel | amd64 is the official name of the tech :d |
| 20:28.57 | Dagmar | The MSDN images have long made a habit of having multiple versions on the same disc and just asking you which you want |
| 20:29.20 | Dagmar | I've got some pretty spiffy ones for XP and NT4 around here someplace still I think |
| 20:29.54 | nevcairiel | try it with a non-msdn cd sometime, i dont have any :( |
| 20:30.16 | Dagmar | Oddly, I've not gotten around to collecting those images yet. |
| 20:30.46 | Dagmar | I should start asking around and see if anyone bought full retail so I can image theirs and start comparing the discs |
| 20:31.10 | Gintaro | What about the legality of buying an upgrade license without a prior installation/key of windows |
| 20:31.30 | nevcairiel | thats like owning no license at al |
| 20:31.32 | nevcairiel | +l |
| 20:31.35 | Dagmar | Gintaro: In fact, the licence agreement is a lot more explicit than the software check is |
| 20:31.59 | Dagmar | The software check will take freaking ANCIENT versions of Windows for Workgroups just being shown to it |
| 20:32.31 | Gintaro | It won't check at all if you skip that step during the installation |
| 20:32.34 | Dagmar | The written licence said 98 was the oldest thing valid for upgrading when I last checked. I thought it was going to be Vista only but it looks like they caved on that |
| 20:32.35 | Gintaro | And just enter the key on reboot |
| 20:33.00 | Dagmar | Gintaro: Not sure about W7 but XP wouldn |
| 20:33.01 | nevcairiel | vista only would be kinda bad |
| 20:33.07 | nevcairiel | as noone had vista |
| 20:33.10 | Dagmar | 't let you skip the uprgade check if you bought an upgrade edition |
| 20:33.11 | Gintaro | Win7 does, I'm running it like that |
| 20:33.38 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Yeah that is I figure part of the reason they caved. It's one thing to trap multinational companies in 3-year rotating licences |
| 20:33.52 | Dagmar | It's entirely another to screw them over to repeatedly that they might figure it's cheaper to have you killed |
| 20:33.57 | Dagmar | s/to/so/; |
| 20:34.11 | nevcairiel | We're supposed to get a new workstation Q1 2011, wonder if its actually 7 then, or just a XP with a new IE |
| 20:34.20 | Dagmar | A bunch of very large houses paid quite a bit of money to downgrade from Vista back to XP so they could keep on working |
| 20:35.02 | nevcairiel | But there are already talks about IE8 compat of our CMS, which apparently isnt certified yet |
| 20:35.18 | Dagmar | Tell them to worry about HTML5 |
| 20:36.01 | nevcairiel | I hate those enterprise products, cant find any information on the web |
| 20:36.33 | Fisker | no nevcairiel ! |
| 20:36.37 | Dagmar | Microsoft has got to support HTML5 or they're going to be seeing large numbers of companies just saying "fuck you" to the very idea of running it. |
| 20:36.45 | Fisker | it isn't since AMD became a bunch of jerks |
| 20:36.46 | Fisker | :D |
| 20:36.58 | nevcairiel | when they developed it, amd was still cool |
| 20:37.04 | Dagmar | There is a _vast_ number of in-the-wild exploits which have burned companies for 'standardizing' on IE, time and time again |
| 20:37.23 | Fisker | true nevcairiel |
| 20:37.28 | nevcairiel | An Enterprise level CMS can't afford to not support every browser on the planet |
| 20:37.48 | nevcairiel | although they do seem slow adapting for new browsers |
| 20:37.49 | Dagmar | If they dont' come up with something _really_ good and I mean more than just "Here's our new product" like HTML5 to induce people to keep running it, they can kiss even pretending to have market dominance goodbye |
| 20:38.08 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Tryig to support "a" browser is fail |
| 20:38.32 | nevcairiel | sure, but its the only way to keep stuff working |
| 20:38.36 | Dagmar | What works over time, and has proven to work over time, is to cater to a specification and let the web browsers catch up if they don't fully work |
| 20:38.42 | nevcairiel | a company wont ask about philosophy |
| 20:38.46 | nevcairiel | they want a working website |
| 20:39.21 | nevcairiel | Its not the open source world there |
| 20:39.29 | Dagmar | A company wants desktops that don't cost X number of dollars per year more than they should because the browser lets viruses onto their networks despite all the money they've been spending on firewalls and remediation products |
| 20:39.51 | Dagmar | All those lost man hours add up |
| 20:40.00 | Dagmar | ...and sometimes, as in the cast of Blaster, they can add up all at once |
| 20:40.07 | Dagmar | s/cast/case/; |
| 20:40.32 | nevcairiel | blaster shouldnt affect a company network, unless its completly badly designed |
| 20:40.39 | Dagmar | A website that follows a platform-agnostic spec doesn't have these silly problems |
| 20:40.43 | nevcairiel | or someone manages to bring it on the inside |
| 20:40.45 | Dagmar | nevacriel: You have to be joking, right? |
| 20:40.58 | Dagmar | You aren't like, really young or something are you? |
| 20:41.08 | Dagmar | Blaster, when it hit, took down metric fscktons of people |
| 20:41.22 | Dagmar | It was showing up on the screens of about 1 in 10 ATMs |
| 20:41.22 | nevcairiel | It attacks the RPC thing of windows |
| 20:41.33 | nevcairiel | who the fuck has that open through a enterprise firewall |
| 20:41.35 | Dagmar | It completely infected my old employer. |
| 20:42.02 | Dagmar | nevcariel: doesn't much matter. Beyond a certain size you're pretty much fscked for roaming guests |
| 20:42.39 | Dagmar | They actually had to use the webserver that I built for them much to Microsoft's irritation (because I write one hell of an RFP) to distribute the patches to the global intranet |
| 20:43.06 | Dagmar | "first right of refusal" clauses in contracts don't mean shit when you're facing a crotchety Unix admin |
| 20:44.00 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 20:44.03 | Dagmar | All it takes is one employee with a laptop coming back to the office with something 0-day and you standing there expecting a virus blacklist application to do something useful about it and you're looking at massive infections |
| 20:44.34 | Dagmar | ...and typically it's not one worker, it's dozens of them doing it. |
| 20:45.56 | nevcairiel | Biggest problem, as always, is just people that didnt update. If you strictly update when updates are pushed downstream, you're safe from most of the shit out there |
| 20:46.19 | nevcairiel | Sadly, 99% of the people dont care about updating |
| 20:47.02 | nevcairiel | I dont remember the timeline of blaster and its patch anymore, been too long |
| 20:47.24 | Arrowmaster | lol 9 people from bungie in an 18 player halo2 game |
| 20:48.33 | nevcairiel | How did we get to blaster anyway, i was just making the point that companys cant afford to be idealistic about HTML and tell the browser to go screw themself and fix their mess |
| 20:49.16 | nevcairiel | I sure hope MS supports HTML5 completly in IE9 |
| 20:49.34 | nevcairiel | however, even if they do, it will take a loong time until IE6-IE8 are gone |
| 20:50.10 | foxlit | Er. |
| 20:50.15 | foxlit | HTML5 is a draft at best? |
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| 20:51.16 | nevcairiel | its an Editors Draft now, so its getting there |
| 20:51.32 | nevcairiel | but it has alot of support already |
| 20:53.39 | foxlit | More promotional spam: you should sign up for http://code.google.com/codejam |
| 20:54.20 | nicoli_s | meh, i couldnt see myself enjoying that stuff that much\ |
| 20:55.34 | foxlit | What else could you possibly want? :) |
| 20:56.35 | nicoli_s | solving problems just for problems sake is no fun, solving a problem that involves hacking up other people's shit, that i like |
| 20:56.56 | foxlit | Solving problems just for problems sake is no fun? |
| 20:57.03 | nicoli_s | not to me |
| 20:57.24 | foxlit | Please return your geek card on your way out. |
| 20:57.52 | nicoli_s | i much prefer having a tangible thing that someone else created, and i get to figure out how it works |
| 20:58.07 | foxlit | Someone else created a problem. |
| 20:58.11 | foxlit | You get to figure out how to solve it. |
| 20:58.38 | nicoli_s | but thats what im saying, i prefer to figure out how existing systems work, not the answer to a problem |
| 20:59.05 | foxlit | Intellectually boring, that. |
| 20:59.40 | foxlit | But okay. |
| 20:59.45 | nicoli_s | i disagree 100% |
| 21:00.16 | nicoli_s | a good portion of what i do at work is Reverse engineering existing systems and i find it very intellectually exciting |
| 21:02.13 | foxlit | There's nothing new and exciting there -- everything you do is basically caused by a handicap of not being able to see the original code. |
| 21:02.19 | Fisker | enough idle banter nicoli_s |
| 21:04.12 | Fisker | btw nevcairiel IE will be fucked anyway |
| 21:04.28 | Fisker | as long as they won't support atleast a software based renderer in 2k and above atleast |
| 21:04.38 | nicoli_s | foxlit: just because its not new to someone doesnt mean its not new to me |
| 21:05.09 | nicoli_s | thats like saying something like having 3d char previews in a website is boring since its done in the game |
| 21:05.43 | foxlit | But it *is* boring. |
| 21:05.55 | nicoli_s | to you maybe |
| 21:05.59 | foxlit | At best, you're shuffling bits from a pattern generated by black box A to a pattern accepted by black box B. |
| 21:06.13 | nicoli_s | and? |
| 21:06.35 | Mihau | Any one know the regular expression syntax to ignore a capture ()? |
| 21:06.47 | nicoli_s | yer genericizing this too much based on what you think is cool/exciting |
| 21:06.51 | Shadowed | Lua or in general? |
| 21:06.57 | Dagmar | Mihau: Gnerally just not matching it works |
| 21:06.58 | Shadowed | Lua I'd be % |
| 21:06.59 | foxlit | Non-capturing groups are (?:stuff) |
| 21:07.00 | Mihau | In general. |
| 21:07.15 | Mihau | Thanks. :3 |
| 21:07.30 | foxlit | nicoli_s: yes, yes I am. |
| 21:07.57 | foxlit | Actually writing the renderer would be interesting. |
| 21:08.03 | foxlit | Converting data from one format to another is not. |
| 21:08.28 | nicoli_s | meh, i think stuff like that is incredibly interesting |
| 21:08.55 | nicoli_s | the idea of being able to take information that is used in only one way and be able to take control over it and use it however i want really excites me |
| 21:09.45 | nicoli_s | i mean tbh i probably would enjoy the code jam just because solving hard problems does always end up being fun as long as its not too frustrating for me |
| 21:10.54 | Fisker | nicoli_s = nicole smith |
| 21:11.02 | nicoli_s | nuhuh |
| 21:11.08 | nicoli_s | nicoli = nicolas |
| 21:11.24 | nicoli_s | s = shut the fuck up you dont need to know my last name :P |
| 21:20.18 | Fisker | i already know it |
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| 21:26.12 | Fisker | You know what i hate more than google's pretty much dominance on the search market? |
| 21:26.21 | durcyn | yourself. |
| 21:26.23 | Shadowed | If a Fisker complains in a channel |
| 21:26.26 | Shadowed | does anyone care |
| 21:26.31 | Fisker | http://www.lmwhtfy.com/ |
| 21:26.32 | Fisker | that |
| 21:26.40 | Fisker | yes Shadowed |
| 21:27.00 | Fisker | just like if something makes a noise and noone is there to hear it, it still makes a noise |
| 21:29.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism |
| 21:29.17 | Lunessa | Worth a listen: http://www.suzannevega.com/suzanne-plays-toms-diner-with-the-roots/ |
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| 21:30.37 | Fisker | Shadowed Lunessa |
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| 21:43.13 | Kraps | Fisker paladin preview |
| 21:46.46 | Fisker | supersonic sled Kraps |
| 21:47.01 | Kraps | awesome! |
| 21:47.21 | airtonix | fiskers per minute : 5.1 |
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| 22:04.05 | Fisker | airtonix |
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| 22:14.08 | DWSR | Recommendation on a resto druid's first major and minor glyhps? |
| 22:14.10 | DWSR | glyphs* |
| 22:14.37 | Gintaro | reroll feral |
| 22:15.15 | DWSR | I'm leveling via LFD |
| 22:15.39 | DWSR | Though, with the amount of spot tanking I've done in the last 3 instance, that almost seems like sane advice. >.< |
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| 22:28.32 | foxlit | How low level? |
| 22:28.47 | DWSR | foxlit: Level 15. |
| 22:28.56 | DWSR | I picked up Regrowth and Wild for Major/Minor. |
| 22:28.59 | foxlit | Oh. Nothing matters, yeah. |
| 22:29.00 | DWSR | well, Level 18 |
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| 22:29.59 | foxlit | My 80 is running around with unburdened rebirth, aquatic form, wild |
| 22:31.11 | foxlit | swiftmend, regrowth, nourish for majors |
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| 22:32.01 | foxlit | Regrowth is probably the only one that gets you a short term benefit, assuming you use the spell |
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| 22:53.40 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
| 22:53.46 | DWSR | People at level 18 are retarded. |
| 22:53.58 | durcyn | s/at level 18// |
| 22:53.59 | Dagmar | lol |
| 22:54.06 | DWSR | fair enough |
| 22:54.19 | Dagmar | Why do you think I found it so hilarious to stuff all myh good gear in the bank and then queue when LFD started |
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| 22:55.10 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/too-cool-for-school-of-thought/5028 |
| 22:56.51 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 22:56.58 | Fisker | i am awesome |
| 22:57.00 | Fisker | what about you? |
| 22:57.10 | sag_ich_nicht | test |
| 22:57.43 | Kraps | Fisker: i am too |
| 22:58.02 | Fisker | sag_ich_nicht |
| 22:58.03 | Fisker | you suck |
| 22:58.28 | Kraps | he doesnt say |
| 23:00.50 | sag_ich_nicht | hi Fisker |
| 23:00.52 | sag_ich_nicht | I hate you too |
| 23:01.56 | Fisker | i love you |
| 23:02.07 | Fisker | your hate is malplaced |
| 23:04.45 | Fisker | LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL |
| 23:04.46 | Fisker | http://uswgo.com/youtube-now-gone-orwellian-now-requires-sms-from-every-new-registrant.htm |
| 23:04.53 | Fisker | Tags: Big Brother, YouTube requires SMS, YouTube: Go F*** YourSelf |
| 23:04.57 | Fisker | "Buzz this! |
| 23:04.58 | Fisker | " |
| 23:05.00 | Fisker | LOLOLOLOL |
| 23:05.20 | Fisker | "Hey Google? Fuck you, but we're gonna make use of your social networking features, k?" |
| 23:07.29 | Gintaro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpWSdk-bYn8 <-- Am I heartless? |
| 23:07.40 | Gintaro | For thinking that was funny |
| 23:12.20 | Ackis | anyone know a good hex file comparerererer? |
| 23:13.04 | Ackis | Gintaro: you're a heartless bastard |
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| 23:14.11 | Gintaro | I was getting sad at the end |
| 23:17.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Ycarene (jporterf@24-116-56-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 23:17.55 | Fisker | good night shir |
| 23:17.58 | Fisker | damn you [Shirik] |
| 23:18.26 | [Shirik] | I destroy you Fisker |
| 23:18.41 | DWSR | s/destroy/will destroy/ |
| 23:18.45 | DWSR | Future tense. |
| 23:18.49 | DWSR | You haven't done it yet. |
| 23:19.27 | Trela | Google account verification? |
| 23:19.55 | DWSR | Gintaro: ROFL |
| 23:20.08 | [Shirik] | no DWSR |
| 23:20.10 | [Shirik] | I destroy |
| 23:20.17 | [Shirik] | I am constantly in the process of destruction |
| 23:20.36 | DWSR | [Shirik]: Yes, but you aren't in the process of destroying Fisker, nor have you done it. |
| 23:20.42 | DWSR | So you should be using future tense, QED |
| 23:20.44 | DWSR | Also. |
| 23:20.45 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 23:20.46 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 23:20.53 | [Shirik] | no |
| 23:20.55 | [Shirik] | I destroy |
| 23:21.02 | [Shirik] | = it is what I do |
| 23:21.09 | [Shirik] | so |
| 23:21.12 | DWSR | s/destroy/fail/ |
| 23:21.15 | Ackis | why so bracket [Shirik] ? |
| 23:21.16 | DWSR | And then yes, that's what you do\ |
| 23:21.18 | [Shirik] | ~epicfailloloololololol DWSR |
| 23:21.21 | [Shirik] | also, Ackis == Fisker |
| 23:21.31 | Gintaro | Yes, it is what you do, not what you are doing |
| 23:21.41 | [Shirik] | therefore, I destroy |
| 23:21.44 | [Shirik] | not I am destroying |
| 23:21.46 | Ackis | [Shirik]: why do you say that? :( |
| 23:21.49 | [Shirik] | nor I will destroy |
| 23:22.01 | DWSR | Shirik: If you destory, then you will destroy. |
| 23:22.03 | [Shirik] | Ackis: |
| 23:22.05 | [Shirik] | (16:05:17) * Fisker [Shirik] |
| 23:22.05 | [Shirik] | (16:05:27) (Fisker) why so brackets? |
| 23:22.20 | DWSR | It actually makes him easier to highlight. |
| 23:22.22 | DWSR | [Shirik] |
| 23:22.23 | DWSR | Yep. |
| 23:22.28 | DWSR | Only 1 char for tab-complete now. |
| 23:22.37 | [Shirik] | that's dangerous |
| 23:22.42 | [Shirik] | You have to worry about [Ammo] |
| 23:22.45 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 23:22.49 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart [Shirik] |
| 23:22.49 | purl | beats [Shirik] to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 23:22.51 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Fisker |
| 23:22.51 | purl | squeezes Fisker till Fisker turns blue like papa smurf |
| 23:22.56 | Ackis | lol [Shirik] |
| 23:22.57 | DWSR | [Shirik]~mpdelbuonWoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik |
| 23:22.59 | DWSR | WIN |
| 23:23.06 | DWSR | kvirc has full hostname tab complete. |
| 23:23.06 | [Shirik] | ? |
| 23:23.17 | [Shirik] | it obviously sucks at it |
| 23:23.24 | [Shirik] | where's the ! and @? |
| 23:23.48 | sag_ich_nicht | more importantly: why aren't you running identd |
| 23:23.49 | DWSR | [Shirik]!~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik |
| 23:23.57 | DWSR | and yes, Shirik. |
| 23:24.00 | [Shirik] | sag_ich_nicht: why should I :P |
| 23:24.10 | DWSR | So that your last name fits in your ident? |
| 23:24.18 | [Shirik] | maybe I don't want it to fit |
| 23:24.35 | DWSR | So what you're saying is that you're failing intentionally now? |
| 23:24.56 | [Shirik] | oh I am running identd |
| 23:25.03 | sag_ich_nicht | then you didn't forward the port |
| 23:25.04 | Ackis | haha I handed Chantelle some finger food and as she put the food in her mouth I said "that's my poop hand" |
| 23:25.09 | sag_ich_nicht | or your firewall is blocking it |
| 23:25.13 | [Shirik] | no I have the wrong response |
| 23:25.16 | DWSR | ^ |
| 23:25.23 | [Shirik] | I ident Shirik |
| 23:25.34 | Thrae | I guess there isn't such a thing as a free Vent. server, is there? |
| 23:25.40 | DWSR | Thrae: Nope. |
| 23:25.42 | sag_ich_nicht | Thrae sure there is |
| 23:25.47 | Thrae | Damn proprietary software. |
| 23:25.50 | Fisker | sag_ich_nicht |
| 23:25.51 | DWSR | Not legally supporting more than 8 users. |
| 23:25.51 | sag_ich_nicht | you just gotta keep hanging in Trade |
| 23:25.59 | sag_ich_nicht | and write down ventrilo servers |
| 23:26.03 | durcyn | why wouldn't you use Mumble anyway? |
| 23:26.06 | sag_ich_nicht | until you find one that nobody uses |
| 23:26.15 | durcyn | it's vastly superior in every conceivable way |
| 23:26.15 | sag_ich_nicht | because Speex still doesn't support 44.1 kHz |
| 23:26.19 | sag_ich_nicht | no it's not |
| 23:26.28 | Thrae | sag_ich_nicht: Hah, I already have a large list just from doing so many PUGs, but that's not what I mean |
| 23:26.31 | kd3 | it also contravenes the ToS with its positional audio aspect |
| 23:26.42 | sag_ich_nicht | ^ |
| 23:26.44 | Fisker | which is disabled by default |
| 23:26.47 | Fisker | fucks up kd3 |
| 23:26.50 | Thrae | kd3: What? |
| 23:27.00 | sag_ich_nicht | it reads your WoW position from memory |
| 23:27.02 | DWSR | Also, Mumble < Ventrilo in terms of market penetration. |
| 23:27.04 | sag_ich_nicht | which is against the ToS |
| 23:27.08 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/VoIP#Mumble |
| 23:27.18 | Fisker | oh no |
| 23:27.53 | Fisker | http://hardocp.com/news/2010/04/14/java_zeroday_flaw_under_active_attack <-looks like it'll be a fieldtrip for "omg battle.net gave out my details"-users |
| 23:27.54 | sag_ich_nicht | that article needs to be updated for TS3 |
| 23:28.20 | Thrae | Huh, but WoW *does* support positional audio. It just doesn't support it for player voice, AFAIK. I'm not sure how the positional audio API is exposed so they might be able to legally use that information without tapping into actual player coordinates. |
| 23:28.33 | kd3 | it doesn't. go look at mumble's source |
| 23:28.37 | kd3 | it scrapes memory |
| 23:29.03 | Thrae | Well that might be Creative's fault too, they're the one with the positional audio patents for the software people use |
| 23:29.43 | sag_ich_nicht | WoW's sound engine is still horrible |
| 23:29.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Mihau (~alexia@216.186.150.6) |
| 23:30.14 | sag_ich_nicht | I wish they would just expose all the safe fmod variables so I can fix it for my setup |
| 23:30.15 | sag_ich_nicht | :| |
| 23:30.29 | Thrae | Right now WoW supports, for me, positional audio in stereo and the combination of onboard sound software and my receiver can fake some additional depth. I've tried WoW on a box with superb support for all its sound features and it really can give you positions. |
| 23:30.47 | sag_ich_nicht | Thrae yes it does but that's for game sounds, not player positions |
| 23:31.02 | Thrae | sag_ich_nicht: Of course, that's what I'm talking about. |
| 23:31.04 | sag_ich_nicht | you need to read out the player positions |
| 23:31.18 | sag_ich_nicht | to give you positional audio for players in a 3rd party application |
| 23:31.27 | Thrae | sag_ich_nicht: But the casting sounds of other players are positional. |
| 23:31.36 | Gnarfoz | wowwiki oldwiki |
| 23:31.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Thrae but that's not exposed |
| 23:31.49 | Gnarfoz | "mumble uses speex extensively" right |
| 23:31.54 | Thrae | And whatever other sounds they make, just not voice, which is a horrible API and implementation as far as I've seen |
| 23:31.56 | Gnarfoz | mumble uses CELT extensively now :p |
| 23:31.56 | sag_ich_nicht | speex sux |
| 23:32.00 | sag_ich_nicht | CELT sux 2 |
| 23:32.02 | Gnarfoz | your mom sux |
| 23:32.17 | Gnarfoz | timelimit exceeded |
| 23:32.45 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: Only takes you that long for someone's mom to suck you? Premature indeed. |
| 23:32.51 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:32.51 | Gnarfoz | also, wow positional audio plugin is not enabled by default, so blargh about *that* line being there at all |
| 23:32.59 | sag_ich_nicht | GSM increased to 44.1 kHz bandwidth > CELT in any form |
| 23:33.40 | Gnarfoz | ITT sag_ich_nicht trolls the world |
| 23:34.12 | sag_ich_nicht | soundquality wise it's true Gnarfoz |
| 23:34.20 | sag_ich_nicht | latency wise, not so much |
| 23:34.36 | Gnarfoz | because old tech > new tech? and VoIP is not about... well, everything else besides audio quality in a vacuum |
| 23:34.40 | Thrae | Really what Mumble should do that if it's OSS and going against TOS for games it's suppose to support, it should not bundle the anti-TOS plugins. |
| 23:34.55 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: who cares, it's not enabled by default. |
| 23:35.03 | sag_ich_nicht | what mumble needs |
| 23:35.07 | sag_ich_nicht | is a better UI designer |
| 23:35.09 | sag_ich_nicht | =3= |
| 23:35.12 | Gnarfoz | you volunteer |
| 23:35.19 | sag_ich_nicht | do I look like an UI designer? |
| 23:35.25 | Gnarfoz | you look like a moron, as usual :D |
| 23:35.28 | sag_ich_nicht | do I look like I don't have anything better to do? |
| 23:35.30 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah no news there |
| 23:35.36 | sag_ich_nicht | :D |
| 23:35.38 | Gnarfoz | <3 |
| 23:35.46 | Fisker | btw [Shirik] |
| 23:35.47 | Fisker | i won |
| 23:35.49 | Gnarfoz | why is blizz voice chat not gone btw |
| 23:35.52 | Gnarfoz | it's an abomination |
| 23:36.00 | sag_ich_nicht | because blizz is silly like that |
| 23:36.11 | Gnarfoz | ~>:3 |
| 23:36.12 | purl | ACTION gets in the car |
| 23:36.15 | Dagmar | Blame the people playing on dialup |
| 23:36.22 | sag_ich_nicht | uhm |
| 23:36.27 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
| 23:36.28 | Gnarfoz | they can dial each other up for all I care |
| 23:36.28 | Fisker | i won |
| 23:36.30 | Gnarfoz | and talk over the phone |
| 23:36.31 | Dagmar | The only serious difference between it and Vent is the amount of bandwidth it uses |
| 23:36.31 | sag_ich_nicht | WoW doesn't support dial up anymore since burning crusade |
| 23:36.40 | Fisker | sag_ich_nicht |
| 23:36.41 | Fisker | i won |
| 23:36.48 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: I can see some parallels in Asterisk, where there are features you can enable that are against federal and state law that are just regular implementations of the cross PBX standard, but the problem is that the government is a democracy while Blizzard is a dictatorship. |
| 23:36.49 | Dagmar | 'Try doing some research instead of acting like Fisker. |
| 23:36.50 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker: the game |
| 23:36.54 | Fisker | i won it |
| 23:37.06 | sag_ich_nicht | (no) |
| 23:37.07 | Fisker | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/9376830592b09772557de3d029242f1a.jpg <-wnirar |
| 23:37.09 | Fisker | winrar* |
| 23:37.09 | sag_ich_nicht | ~thegame |
| 23:37.12 | Fisker | no sag_ich_nicht |
| 23:37.13 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: whaaaat |
| 23:37.13 | Fisker | old news |
| 23:37.33 | sag_ich_nicht | the hell is that Fisker |
| 23:37.38 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: If Blizzard wants to ban you for using Mumble even if you *don't* break the TOS by using the plugin Mumble provides, Blizzard can. |
| 23:37.41 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: "federal and state law" = US |
| 23:37.45 | Fisker | Supersonic Sled sag_ich_nicht |
| 23:38.01 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: blizzard can ban you because they want to, they don't need a reason. what's your point again? |
| 23:38.10 | Dagmar | Thrae: Please cite which part of the ToS that's in |
| 23:38.24 | Fisker | Blizzard usually bans people without reason |
| 23:38.29 | Fisker | DURRRRRRRRRRR |
| 23:38.37 | Gnarfoz | and without *a* reason, heh |
| 23:38.49 | sag_ich_nicht | Dagmar: you know there is a specific document refered to as termination with out notice that describes exactly that, right |
| 23:38.51 | Thrae | Dagmar: That Blizzard can ban you for using a program which scrapes the game's memory to gain positional information about players? |
| 23:39.05 | Dagmar | sag_ich_nicht: Where is it |
| 23:39.10 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: you accept it each patch |
| 23:39.16 | Gnarfoz | separately |
| 23:39.25 | kd3 | ugh. damn yellow crap everywhere |
| 23:39.26 | Fisker | but it doesn't Thrae |
| 23:39.28 | Fisker | unless you tell it to |
| 23:39.29 | Thrae | Dagmar: Or that Blizzard can ban you for using a program that CAN do that, but it's optional? |
| 23:39.37 | kd3 | looks for more loratadine |
| 23:39.39 | Dagmar | Cite where it is in the ToS |
| 23:39.45 | sag_ich_nicht | facepalm |
| 23:39.49 | Fisker | sag_ich_nicht |
| 23:39.57 | kd3 | "but as it accesses WoW's memory, it runs contrary to the ToU (see §2.C) and EULA (see §2.D)." |
| 23:40.02 | Gnarfoz | m( |
| 23:40.05 | kd3 | from my link earlier |
| 23:40.06 | Dagmar | Because as far as I care, you're just acting like a pack of losers whining about things they don't understand |
| 23:40.14 | Fisker | :e |
| 23:40.37 | Gnarfoz | because Dagmar of course knows everything but can't even remember the part where Blizz can terminate accounts at will, without giving reasons ;o |
| 23:40.38 | Dagmar | No company long for this earth terminates customer agreements for _no_ reason. |
| 23:40.45 | Dagmar | Ganrfoz: Where is it |
| 23:40.55 | sag_ich_nicht | III. Limitations on Your Use of World of Warcraft. Your license to use World of Warcraft is limited by this Terms of Use and the World of Warcraft End User License Agreement which you were required to accept when you installed World of Warcraft. Limitations on your right to use World of Warcraft may include, but not necessarily be limited to, the following: |
| 23:40.59 | sag_ich_nicht | 3. You agree that you will not |
| 23:41.03 | sag_ich_nicht | (3) use any third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through World of Warcraft; |
| 23:41.15 | sag_ich_nicht | that's the one that right there forbids the use of the plugins |
| 23:41.18 | sag_ich_nicht | let me look up the rest |
| 23:41.21 | Thrae | Fisker: Yeah, but just like the RIAA has done successfully and unsuccessfully in a court of law (well, civil court), they've argued that people are breaking copyright with intent and just having an IP address associated with file sharing (which might not actually have been done on their computer due to dynamic pools sharing IPs). Of course I'm not talking about Blizzard suing anyone, I'm just talking them banning or ... |
| 23:41.28 | Thrae | ... blocking accounts. |
| 23:41.30 | Dagmar | Yes, but it does not say any of hte other crackheaded things you guys have been saying |
| 23:41.32 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: SET readTerminationWithoutNotice "1" |
| 23:41.35 | Gnarfoz | set that to 0 |
| 23:41.39 | Gnarfoz | and you get to confirm it AGAIN |
| 23:41.52 | Gnarfoz | like you have at least 10 times if you've been playing for a year. |
| 23:41.56 | Dagmar | Termination without notice is not the same thing as termination without reason. |
| 23:42.02 | Gnarfoz | hurr durr |
| 23:42.02 | Gnarfoz | rofl |
| 23:42.12 | Dagmar | If they terminated accounts for illiteracy, I suspect many of you wouldn't be playing anymore. |
| 23:42.14 | Gnarfoz | where would you be given the reason if you don't get a notice? |
| 23:42.15 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy. I'll come back when the IANAL storm stops. Cheerio. |
| 23:42.23 | Thrae | The legal ramifications are not what I'm talking about. Not a court of American Law, I'm talking a court of Blizzard Law, under the dictatorship of Blizzard, by Blizzard, for the good of all Blizzard. |
| 23:42.37 | Dagmar | Go buy a dictionary. They are not a dictatorship. |
| 23:43.23 | Gnarfoz | how'd your shitstorm at work turn out btw? |
| 23:43.43 | Fisker | and Blizzard Entertainment reserves the right to determine which conduct it considers to be outside the spirit of the game and to take such disciplinary measures as it sees fit up to and including termination and deletion of the Account. Blizzard Entertainment reserves the right to modify these Rules of Conduct at any time pursuant to Section XIV of this Agreement. |
| 23:43.46 | Fisker | /thread |
| 23:44.01 | Thrae | American Law allows corporations to be treated as people, so Blizzard the corporation is a legal entity that oversees the World of Warcraft society. And their ToS gives them huge breadth when it comes to what they are allowed to do to their virtual citizens, and what rights the citizens have are very limited. |
| 23:44.19 | Thrae | If Blizzard the entity is not a dictator on the WoW society, they are close to one. |
| 23:44.57 | Dagmar | 1. they are not a government, they are a corporation. 2. Being that they are a multi-part legal entity, they would be an oligarchy. 3. If you don't like it, you can always go over their heads and bitch to the company that owns them. |
| 23:45.16 | kd3 | not that actiblizzardion would do anything about it |
| 23:45.17 | Gnarfoz | you don't have a contract with the company that owns them. |
| 23:45.19 | Thrae | Even many guilds in many different online formats are run as dictatorships. |
| 23:45.57 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 23:46.02 | sag_ich_nicht | just to be an ass now |
| 23:46.12 | sag_ich_nicht | WoW doesn't fall under US jurisdiction anymore |
| 23:46.13 | Gnarfoz | as opposed to the other times when you're not? |
| 23:46.15 | sag_ich_nicht | since last year |
| 23:46.26 | sag_ich_nicht | it falls under french jurisdiction |
| 23:46.30 | sag_ich_nicht | (yes even NA version) |
| 23:46.32 | Gnarfoz | WoW never fell under US jurisdiction for me <3 |
| 23:46.37 | Fisker | why that sag_ich_nicht ? |
| 23:46.41 | Thrae | Fine, if you want to be technical, a facist regime. Normally the term "dictator" and "dictatorship" doesn't just have to apply to real-world governments of people in countries and regions, but I'm not going to argue definitions since it's pointless. |
| 23:46.49 | Dagmar | I'm really sure that the US blizzard entity isn't in the least constrained by french law |
| 23:46.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Codayus (cody@lilly.csoft.net) |
| 23:47.10 | Fisker | the EULA disagrees sag_ich_nicht |
| 23:47.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Dagmar: WoW is, for all terms and purposes, operated from france |
| 23:47.14 | Legorol | you are making a contract with the US entity. that's what's binding. |
| 23:47.23 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: more to the point, it's pointless to argue with Dagmar ;) |
| 23:47.30 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker: the EULA is about WoW, the software |
| 23:47.33 | Legorol | they did split up the EU entity and at one point transferred contractual obligations over to that one for EU players, but that didn't affect US players |
| 23:47.36 | sag_ich_nicht | not about WoW, the online service |
| 23:47.36 | Dagmar | Right, so I guess Germany has really slacked on their public education funding even more than the US. |
| 23:47.38 | Dagmar | Sad. |
| 23:47.38 | Thrae | I think we strayed from the point into definition-and-arm-chair-lawyer land. |
| 23:47.53 | Legorol | arm chair lawyering is fun! |
| 23:47.54 | Fisker | terms of use disagrees as well sag_ich_nicht |
| 23:47.57 | [Shirik] | Fisker |
| 23:48.04 | Dagmar | Was the point "useless bitching and hyperbole"? |
| 23:48.05 | sag_ich_nicht | Right, so I guess americans can't distinguish germany from austria |
| 23:48.05 | [Shirik] | I thought you went to sleep and/or were destroyed |
| 23:48.10 | sag_ich_nicht | Sad. |
| 23:48.11 | Fisker | i wish |
| 23:48.16 | Fisker | someone were wrong on the internet |
| 23:48.18 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: who's german now? :p |
| 23:48.33 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: Fisker (obviously) and apparently sag as well |
| 23:48.43 | Fisker | i'm not german |
| 23:48.43 | sag_ich_nicht | again: I am not german |
| 23:48.44 | Fisker | fuck off |
| 23:48.49 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 23:48.52 | Dagmar | So what's your excuse for being so thick?> |
| 23:49.04 | Fisker | i'm not |
| 23:49.04 | sag_ich_nicht | since we are now down to the realm of personal insults |
| 23:49.11 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn wake up |
| 23:49.15 | Cairenn | sag_ich_nicht: no? |
| 23:49.16 | Thrae | sag_ich_nicht: Do you ever watch the Colbert Report? They had on a fake...or real...ambassador from Germany that fit many of the typical German stereotypes. His job was to eat a cupcake, but he could not figure out why it exists. "Too weak. It does not provide the necessary nutrion for a sound mind and body." |
| 23:49.19 | Fisker | Though you would've been right in profiling me as german if i were |
| 23:49.23 | Legorol | Fisker is not german. He's a troll. |
| 23:49.26 | Dagmar | You were in that realm before, talking a bunch of silly nonsense that was "factually challenged" at best. |
| 23:49.40 | sag_ich_nicht | is that a script Cairenn uses ? D: |
| 23:49.47 | Dagmar | I don't care if you hate me or not, but at least make an effort to be _correct_ when you stand around and bitch about a company |
| 23:50.00 | Thrae | sag_ich_nicht: "A present for a child's birthday? Why would one celebrate the increasing decay of the human mind and body into inevitable dust?" |
| 23:50.08 | Dagmar | nothing productive will ever come out of it otherwise, guys |
| 23:50.16 | [Shirik] | ok enough being at each others' throats. To break up the tensions, I will now type this entire sentence in the wrong IME |
| 23:50.18 | Fisker | well if we're bitching over Blizzard then i have one |
| 23:50.21 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: certainly sounds like "typical german stereotypes"... not o_O |
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| 23:51.00 | Fisker | Back a few weeks ago people found it hilarious to trap people inside buildings using cluster rocket launchers, of course the griefing implications were major |
| 23:51.00 | Gnarfoz | more like some kind of existentialist person or something |
| 23:51.01 | Fisker | 3 hours ban |
| 23:51.38 | Thrae | Yeah I thought the skit was probably made by the mostly Jewish writers of Colbert Report / Daily Show, playing on the Nazi stereotype, while totally forgetting that Germany, along with Austria, is also stereotypically the "Land of Chocolate" |
| 23:52.02 | Fisker | 1½ year or so when the 2008 trick or treat event was running i used a macro to get two bags instead of one, somewhere along the event they hotfixed in drops of the helm and the pet(This was never announced on the official EU forums btw) and i got a 24-hour for "intentionally exploiting the system for the pet and helmet" |
| 23:52.03 | Dagmar | ...and fretworking. Don't forget fretworking. |
| 23:52.06 | Cairenn | please note what [Shirik] just said ... I'm pretty sick and tired of the fighting going on in here, to the point that I'm ready to start banning people |
| 23:52.19 | Fisker | 24 hours ban and they removed the items i had gotten even prior to the event itself |
| 23:52.26 | Gnarfoz | germany is known for chocolate? *goes to re-check my country's stereotypes* |
| 23:52.28 | Fisker | now that's bitchworthy |
| 23:52.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker I have never been banned |
| 23:52.37 | Fisker | Also the bug still exists and have never been actioned again |
| 23:52.37 | sag_ich_nicht | and I went to places I really shouldn't go to |
| 23:52.38 | sag_ich_nicht | =3= |
| 23:52.43 | Shirik | wait Fisker got banned? |
| 23:52.47 | Fisker | yeah |
| 23:52.51 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:52.52 | Shirik | why? |
| 23:52.54 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: I thought Eastren Europe was known for chocolate? |
| 23:52.57 | Fisker | 1½ year or so when the 2008 trick or treat event was running i used a macro to get two bags instead of one, somewhere along the event they hotfixed in drops of the helm and the pet(This was never announced on the official EU forums btw) and i got a 24-hour for "intentionally exploiting the system for the pet and helmet" <- |
| 23:53.04 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: and germany is in eastern europe *how*> |
| 23:53.10 | Fisker | So i did it with the winter's veil and love is in the air events as well |
| 23:53.17 | Fisker | updated them on the situation every time i did |
| 23:53.24 | Fisker | Didn't even get a ban for telling them i exploited |
| 23:53.36 | sag_ich_nicht | and by "places I really shouldn't go to" I mean a certain place far off to the northwest of Teldrassil |
| 23:53.37 | sag_ich_nicht | =3= |
| 23:53.41 | Fisker | even though it was exactly the same exploit as the one in the hallow's end event |
| 23:53.48 | Stanzilla | Thrae: switzerland is chocolate country |
| 23:53.50 | Shirik | sneeb looc |
| 23:54.02 | Fisker | Oh and i had the helm from 2007 and the pet i got on like the first day |
| 23:54.19 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: During WWII? Well, I kinda considered Germany inbetween West and East, especially with the whole Berlin Wall thing. |
| 23:54.40 | Fisker | but one thing is awesome btw |
| 23:54.49 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: Now you're going to tell me you guys think there's a Central Europe. |
| 23:55.03 | Gnarfoz | there is, it's "inbetween west and east", just like you said |
| 23:55.08 | sag_ich_nicht | well, there is. you know that timezone we have? |
| 23:55.11 | sag_ich_nicht | that's called CET? |
| 23:55.12 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. |
| 23:55.12 | Thrae | Stanzilla: Yeah, but that's not fair to the rest of Europe. The Swiss have tons of stuff. They need to give up some stereotypes. |
| 23:55.13 | Gnarfoz | also, during ww2, germany was europe :p |
| 23:55.31 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Ravencrest&cn=Fiskerdin&gn=HottieHamsters <-Go look at the World Events tab |
| 23:55.43 | kd3 | looks at mumble saying that positional audio is on by default |
| 23:55.56 | Fisker | Hallowed Be Thy Name |
| 23:55.56 | Fisker | 21/01/2009 |
| 23:55.56 | Fisker | Sinister Calling |
| 23:55.56 | Fisker | 26/10/2009 |
| 23:55.57 | Fisker | hurr |
| 23:55.59 | Fisker | hurr hurr |
| 23:56.01 | Fisker | snickers |
| 23:56.02 | Thrae | kd3: Let's not beat a dead horse. |
| 23:56.05 | Gnarfoz | (to large extents, at least. also, do notify me when we reach Godwin's law level of nostalgia) |
| 23:56.08 | sag_ich_nicht | lol Fisker |
| 23:56.09 | Dagmar | kd3: I actually got a little paranoid about that. From what I can tell positional audio is on but the plugin that makes it do this for wow is disabled by default |
| 23:56.13 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker wanna see something cool? |
| 23:56.18 | kd3 | but it's not dust yet! |
| 23:56.18 | Fisker | wat sag_ich_nicht ? |
| 23:56.28 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: you can manually position people, too |
| 23:56.31 | Dagmar | So... not an automatic ban waiting to happen. I'm pretty Warden would flag that immediately |
| 23:56.48 | sag_ich_nicht | oh for crying out loud |
| 23:57.04 | sag_ich_nicht | the whole argument is moot, since Warden doesn't care about Mumble, and neither does Blizzard |
| 23:57.04 | Fisker | They haven't done anything about Magelo |
| 23:57.07 | sag_ich_nicht | jesus |
| 23:57.08 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 23:57.11 | Dagmar | I wasn't about to recommend my guild try something that would immediately flag them through Warden... talk about a way to lose face... whew |
| 23:57.11 | Fisker | ^^ sag_ich_nicht |
| 23:57.28 | Gnarfoz | whew... see above |
| 23:57.33 | Fisker | Blizzard even officially mentioned Magelo until i made their lawyers aware of it |
| 23:57.38 | Fisker | But they still don't give a shit |
| 23:57.47 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Gul%27dan&cn=Terum |
| 23:57.52 | sag_ich_nicht | look at the feats of strength tab |
| 23:57.53 | sag_ich_nicht | note the date |
| 23:57.57 | Dagmar | sag: Warden doesn't have to care about Mumble. All it has to do is request that it get a notification if something that's not WoW accesses the RAM used by WoW. It's as simple as that |
| 23:57.58 | Thrae | Cairenn: I think people getting out of line is caused by the very viral nature of mass online communication. If you stay on IRC or any chat medium too much too long, your infection will worsen until you cross that line. |
| 23:58.02 | Fisker | cool onyxia bro |
| 23:58.09 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: that was blizz eu that mentioned it |
| 23:58.15 | Fisker | i know Arrowmaster |
| 23:58.20 | Fisker | Still Blizzard |
| 23:58.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Dagmar: that's not how warden works |
| 23:58.22 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 23:58.42 | Dagmar | not what I've been led to believe |
| 23:58.45 | Fisker | I don't even think you can do that |
| 23:58.50 | Shirik | I can do anything |
| 23:58.52 | Cairenn | Thrae: doesn't make it acceptable |
| 23:59.11 | Fisker | anyway reported for sploits sag_ich_nicht |
| 23:59.17 | Fisker | but i guess it's the onyxia scale cloak or? |
| 23:59.21 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 23:59.26 | sag_ich_nicht | hunter epic Q |
| 23:59.28 | Fisker | oh |
| 23:59.29 | Fisker | :D |
| 23:59.35 | Shirik | omg I loved the hunter quest |
| 23:59.35 | sag_ich_nicht | if you complete it, you get the achievement |
| 23:59.37 | Thrae | Despite IRC and other mediums being communal in nature, each person is, in real life, an individual, and what I conclude is that their need to claim their own individuality makes them start to reject boundries. |
| 23:59.38 | foxlit | finished his Doctor Who box. |
| 23:59.42 | foxlit | :*( |
| 23:59.44 | Shirik | so sad that people now do it at like L80 |
| 23:59.47 | Shirik | where it takes no skill |
| 23:59.47 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah I did it with my hunter yesterday Shirik |
| 23:59.52 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik I did it at 60 |
| 23:59.59 | sag_ich_nicht | specifically froze XP for that purpose |
| 23:59.59 | Shirik | that quest really helped hunters know wtf they were doing |
