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| 02:08.00 | Kraps | whoa |
| 02:08.13 | Kraps | i'm in the topic |
| 02:09.24 | kd3 | congrats |
| 02:09.35 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.33 | Shirik | Kraps |
| 02:11.13 | Shirik | My first ever SPI endorsement results in a huge explosion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Altenmann/Archive |
| 02:11.43 | Wobin | "What's wrong with your faaaaaace?" |
| 02:13.24 | Kraps | Shirik: you're a clerk? |
| 02:13.30 | Shirik | as of a few days ago |
| 02:13.41 | Kraps | nice |
| 02:13.52 | Shirik | first case I endorse goes to arbcom, lol |
| 02:13.59 | Kraps | RFA mofo |
| 02:14.02 | Kraps | do it |
| 02:14.09 | Shirik | in time! |
| 02:14.46 | Kraps | holy plane crash batman |
| 02:15.38 | Shirik | plane crash? |
| 02:16.00 | Kraps | http://wcbstv.com/national/polish.Kaczynski.dead.2.1623978.html |
| 02:16.35 | Kraps | http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/10/world/main6381943.shtml?tag=stack |
| 02:16.37 | Kraps | better |
| 02:18.28 | Kraps | wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Polish_Air_Force_Tu-154_crash |
| 02:20.19 | Kraps | meh, back to the previews |
| 02:20.49 | Shirik | ew @ Kraps |
| 02:21.00 | Kraps | what? |
| 02:21.10 | Shirik | both the plane crash & "previews" |
| 02:22.12 | Kraps | k |
| 02:32.55 | Kraps | mages get heroism |
| 02:33.06 | kd3 | ish |
| 02:36.07 | Kraps | Mana Adept: Arcane will deal damage based how much mana the mage has. For example, Arcane mages will do much more damage at 100% mana than at 50% mana. If they begin to get low on mana, they will likely want to use an ability or mechanic to bring their mana up to increase their damage. |
| 02:36.17 | Kraps | how is this even good? |
| 02:37.39 | Shirik | If you come across a webpage and see this in the source: |
| 02:37.41 | Shirik | Copyright (C) 2006, 2007, 2008 Apple Inc. All rights reserved. |
| 02:37.54 | Shirik | you might be visiting a bad site |
| 02:37.54 | Kraps | penalizing a tree for using it? |
| 02:42.09 | Shirik | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/hell.png |
| 02:58.08 | Shirik | http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/04/05/nursing-assistant-suspended-for-being-pantsless-in-a-residents-room |
| 02:58.20 | Shirik | "According to the charging documents, he told a law enforcement officer that 'his penis had slipped between Resident A's labia by accident.'" |
| 02:58.34 | Cairenn | riiiiight |
| 02:59.02 | Shirik | I want to hit that guy |
| 02:59.13 | Shirik | ok bad choice of words |
| 02:59.18 | Irish` | haha |
| 02:59.25 | Wobin | "I slipped, and it FELL RIGHT IN" |
| 02:59.37 | Irish` | don't act like you've never tripped out of your pants before |
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| 03:03.54 | Cairenn | I hope he's being charged with rape |
| 03:04.22 | Irish` | probably, "sexual misconduct" doesn't seem quite strong enough to cover everything |
| 03:04.44 | Cairenn | "McGregor also faces criminal charges." <== I'm hoping that's the rape charge |
| 03:05.32 | Cairenn | late stage Alzheimer's == not able to consent |
| 03:06.29 | Kraps | by accident? i should be so lucky :( |
| 03:09.08 | Dashkal | Total brainfart. What's the syntax for /castsequence to reset on end of combat or target change? |
| 03:09.59 | Irish` | pretty sure /castsequence reset=target/combat |
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| 03:10.26 | Dashkal | Ahh, no parens, brackets, or anything else |
| 03:10.38 | Irish` | nope |
| 03:11.20 | Dashkal | Thank you much, that worked |
| 03:12.07 | Irish` | :) |
| 03:14.42 | Dashkal | Just get more ram. Firefox murders this machine when wow is up |
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| 03:23.38 | doc-saintly | is there a way to programmatically "click" a hyperlink so it shows up in the tooltip |
| 03:28.14 | Shirik | yes, but I forget the function name |
| 03:28.18 | Shirik | it starts with ItemRef_ |
| 03:28.24 | Shirik | ItemRef_SetHyperlink()? |
| 03:28.30 | Shirik | !api ItemRef_ |
| 03:28.30 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'ItemRef_'. |
| 03:28.32 | Shirik | !api ItemRef |
| 03:28.33 | lua_bot | GetSocketItemRefundable: Returns whether the item open for socketing is temporarily refundable (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetSocketItemRefundable) |
| 03:28.36 | Shirik | you're lying |
| 03:28.42 | Shirik | it's not a real API, I guess, it's just there |
| 03:29.27 | Shirik | anyone here good with bind? I'm not receiving IXFR/AXFR requests from my slave servers and I'm not sure why. It's worked until the change I made today, all I did was add a line |
| 03:31.54 | Shirik | nm... apparently named didn't actually come up, it was just lying to me |
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| 04:01.05 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/24262387093/does-blizz-listen-to-us/ |
| 04:02.03 | Shadowed | "We didn't realize warlocks were dying so much in Cataclysm. We'll look into this." |
| 04:02.05 | Shadowed | haha |
| 04:08.26 | Kraps | "So you're making ToL a CD but what are you going to do about the fact that ToL gives us buffs and gives us a SP bonus that brings our SP equal to other healing classes." |
| 04:08.40 | Kraps | holy fucking stupid |
| 04:11.36 | industrial | "something about future change being bad relationg to current stat situation." |
| 04:11.38 | industrial | NEXT |
| 04:11.52 | industrial | -o |
| 04:14.17 | Arrowmaster | !api SetHyperlink |
| 04:14.18 | lua_bot | Found 5 possible results for 'SetHyperlink': ScrollingMessageFrame:SetHyperlinksEnabled, SimpleHTML:SetHyperlinksEnabled, GameTooltip:SetHyperlink, SimpleHTML:SetHyperlinkFormat, GameTooltip:SetHyperlinkCompareItem |
| 04:14.47 | Kraps | i wish you could double thumbs-up songs in pandora |
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| 04:24.42 | Amarande | (Blue post:) "Combat ratings - All ratings will be much harder to "cap out" at maximum gear levels. Ratings will be steeper in Cataclysm, and creatures in later tiers of content will be harder to hit or crit, similar to how level-83 mobs are harder to hit or crit than level-80 mobs." |
| 04:24.45 | Amarande | Uh oh. |
| 04:25.00 | Amarande | Does this mean that in Cata, 1) there WILL be more gear elitism, and 2) it will be justified, as a necessity this time, rather than being elitism at all? |
| 04:25.23 | Amarande | and that skill will become even less important in favor of having enough GS? |
| 04:26.01 | Amarande | (also: they say that spell power is being removed from items *except* for caster weapons, I wonder if this means legacy gems and enchants will be left alone, too) |
| 04:26.28 | Arrowmaster | i think it means theyve finally learned their lesson on +hit and defensive stats |
| 04:26.59 | Arrowmaster | and will be making every progressive tier of content like adding an extra level to all the mobs so that you need more of those stats |
| 04:27.26 | Amarande | Arrow: I have to wonder if this means GS is going to become as much as 80% or even 90% of what it takes to get into a raid, too, because it sounds like the gear check curve will be much steeper :| |
| 04:27.27 | Arrowmaster | instead of capping those stats then working on others |
| 04:27.39 | Amarande | (and by "raid" I mean "real raid that actually knows what it's doing" not "fail trade channel pug") |
| 04:27.49 | Arrowmaster | no real raid would ever use GS |
| 04:28.16 | Arrowmaster | they would want to know the individual stats not just a number that comes from nothing but the itemlevel of the gear |
| 04:28.20 | Amarande | also, it looks like the spirit changes mean a much greater divide between heal and DPS caster gear |
| 04:28.39 | Amarande | wonders if this means that paying the 1000g for dual spec will be virtually required for priests to survive at 85 |
| 04:28.56 | Amarande | well, healer priests anyway |
| 04:29.23 | Amarande | otherwise, they will only be able to come out on raid night and depend utterly on an 85 alt or constant paid respecs to make it through their dailies reasonably? |
| 04:29.24 | Arrowmaster | i would figure just about every healer would already have dual spec |
| 04:29.45 | Amarande | (right now, it seems if you want to both heal and be able to do your solo questing, you go disc. but I'm getting the impression that in Cata, there is NO such fence sitting allowed ...) |
| 04:31.40 | Amarande | "(School lockouts will no longer affect both schools for multi-school spells.)" YES. Totally yes. Take that, you filthy Kicking and Shield Bashing mobs. :) |
| 04:32.25 | Amarande | Leap of Faith sounds a lil double edged in practice :| |
| 04:32.26 | Gnarfoz | always with the speculations and rants |
| 04:32.28 | Amarande | I like the idea. |
| 04:32.54 | Amarande | On the other hand, I have this nagging feeling that this means that there will be a significant minority of fail players who will then insist on not getting out of the fire, and claim that the healer was supposed to take time to yank them out instead. :| |
| 04:33.34 | Amarande | After all, everything ELSE seems to fall to the healer now. Like nobody ever eats or bandages between fights anymore, no, the healer is expected to expend their resources to top everyone off :| |
| 04:33.45 | Thunder_Child | life grip is only for priests to fuck with people in pvp |
| 04:35.07 | Wobin | I can see a rousing game of Tank Pong |
| 04:36.11 | Amarande | 5-second rule being deepsixed ... w00tah |
| 04:36.51 | Amarande | I'm still trying to figure out if they've said anything about the fate of legacy gems and enchants that provide stats that are "no longer on items" |
| 04:37.29 | Thrae | There are a few good things cats have over dogs. One of them is cats aren't scared of fiction. |
| 04:37.36 | Thrae | If I watch "The Grudge", my dog might abandon me due to the noises. My cat just sleeps through them. |
| 04:37.46 | Thrae | Might wake up, say "Oh sounds scary", goes back to sleep. |
| 04:39.08 | Amarande | oh good grief |
| 04:39.33 | Amarande | like the third post on the changes board is already someone QQing about how "omg, increased HP for non-tanks is going to destroy tanking and make me switch to cat!" |
| 04:40.40 | Thrae | Amarande: Yeah that's just a troll and/or someone stupid. Anyway, I do plan on reviewing all the class changes more in-depth and posting an all-inclusive (save Paladins of course) review of the previews. |
| 04:40.42 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: actually, it would be even more amusing with a lock be cause of the extra pong |
| 04:41.48 | Thrae | Personally I am one of the ones that think Blizzard is wrong about Druids, they *should* have *some* form for healing. A form for everything, that's make take on Druids. |
| 04:41.58 | Amarande | on the other hand, I have a feeling as to what increased HP for non-tanks is going to mean in cata :) |
| 04:42.10 | Amarande | no doubt probably "expect to see more OMGWTFBBQ raid-wide damage" |
| 04:42.29 | Amarande | something they can't go as happy on right now because it'd wipe everyone but the tank heh |
| 04:42.32 | Thrae | The form doesn't need Polymorph immunity, it doesn't need a new model. It could just be like Shadow Form. But it should be stance-based and not cooldown-based. |
| 04:42.50 | Gnarfoz | thank god you don't make this game |
| 04:42.52 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 04:43.11 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: What's wrong with a healing form? |
| 04:43.30 | Gnarfoz | what was your stance on this /before/ tree form? |
| 04:43.47 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: They should have a healing form |
| 04:44.04 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: Remember Boomkins were around before ToL ;) |
| 04:44.37 | Gnarfoz | yes, I remember, thanks |
| 04:46.37 | Amarande | "No more weapon skill? Blue gems actually potentially useful to melee classes? <3 Ghostcrawler." -- forum post |
| 04:46.37 | Thrae | Also there's a reason Blizzard doesn't do much work on any of the armour sets for Druids post-ToL and that's because of ToL finally covering all the bases. So they'd have to go back and re-do the armours to make them look especially cool and redo the animations to make them also look cooler. |
| 04:46.53 | Amarande | "to melee classes" is a bit redundant there. Far as I've seen, blue gems have *always* sucked, except for stamina for tanks :P |
| 04:47.02 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: uhm... |
| 04:47.04 | Thrae | That's a lot more work then making Druids look cool WHILE they're healing. |
| 04:47.08 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: "doesn't do much work" lol |
| 04:47.20 | Gnarfoz | druids have sets like everyone else |
| 04:47.44 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: except that time when priests stacked them (+int) for regen in BC |
| 04:48.02 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: Yeah, but place a Druid in any set up next to, say, a Warlock. Most of their sets look especially awesome (Warlocks that is). Mages too, and even Priests. |
| 04:48.17 | Gnarfoz | s/them (/them (and / |
| 04:48.33 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: that's just your personal opinion, as is everyones |
| 04:48.38 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: Even at 60, Druids looked like trees even in their sets! I remember when the 60 sets made them look like shubbery |
| 04:48.51 | Gnarfoz | that was exactly one set, tier 1 |
| 04:48.56 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: Which is exactly why I said, "part of the reason" |
| 04:48.59 | Gnarfoz | how does tier 2 look like a tree |
| 04:49.04 | Gnarfoz | or even tier 3 :p |
| 04:49.11 | Thrae | They all have nature themes |
| 04:49.16 | Gnarfoz | OH NOES |
| 04:49.19 | Gnarfoz | why is that? |
| 04:49.29 | Gnarfoz | possibly because they're druids. |
| 04:49.39 | Thrae | You, yourself, seem to like the sets so it's pointless arguing each other's opinion. |
| 04:50.13 | Gnarfoz | you claimed blizzard does less work on druid sets because of ToL. I was pointing that out as ridiculous AND based on your opinion of the looks of the sets. |
| 04:50.14 | Wobin | priest T9 makes me look like Megaman |
| 04:50.21 | Gnarfoz | Wobin: you ARE megaman. |
| 04:50.23 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 04:50.24 | Wobin | Priest T10 makes me look like the Flying Nun =( |
| 04:50.33 | Thrae | Anyway, let's hypothesize for a moment that most people don't like the way the sets look and that the sets need more work, partially based on the possibility Blizzard spent less time on them due to Druids shifting out of caster form anyway. |
| 04:51.11 | Kraps | Thrae: whaaaaaat |
| 04:51.11 | Thrae | If that's the case, wouldn't it be easier for Blizzard to make Druids look cooler while casting healing spells then fix a bunch of equipment? |
| 04:51.21 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: scrollback. read it. ;) |
| 04:51.33 | Kraps | Gnarfoz: i did |
| 04:51.36 | Gnarfoz | heh. |
| 04:52.12 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: who cares which is easier? this is about how they want the class to be, not how they can most lazily achieve that (that step comes later on ;D) |
| 04:52.33 | Thrae | I understand the sentiment, I would love to turn into some weird man-bear-pig so I could hold my [Fordragon Blades] sometime because they just look damn cool |
| 04:52.35 | Amarande | No gear crossovers in Cata ... I'm still trying to figure out whether this is good or bad |
| 04:53.00 | Amarande | It has its merits, but it seems like it's likely to reduce the value of hybrid classes, who will tend to be locked into one role |
| 04:53.09 | Gnarfoz | uh what |
| 04:53.28 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: a hybrid class will need 100% different gear for each spec |
| 04:53.29 | Gnarfoz | hybrid classes don't need other armor classes' gear now |
| 04:53.38 | Gnarfoz | or what were you trying to say |
| 04:53.59 | Gnarfoz | you're saying it's fine for a holy paladin to wear retribution gear right now? |
| 04:54.03 | Kraps | people are not making sense tonight |
| 04:54.08 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: No, I'm talking about fixing the very problem Blizzard presented -- they specifically said they don't like the idea of restricting spells and don't like the idea of removing the LOOK of caster form. So I say put an aura around caster form, like Shadow Form, that makes you look even cooler, and Blizzard doesn't need to worry about how their existing equipment models look. |
| 04:54.18 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: I was thinking more about caster classes, which I have the most experience with |
| 04:54.29 | Amarande | I mean, think of it this way |
| 04:54.34 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: I'm also not saying it would work like Shadow Form, I mentioned it would work very differently |
| 04:54.44 | Amarande | currently, a shadow priest can double as an off healer if need be, because of gear crossover between specs |
| 04:54.49 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: I think of it this way: it should be for casters as it is for others (say, my paladin example from just now) |
| 04:55.02 | Wobin | I want new boomkin forms |
| 04:55.05 | Wobin | and new tree forms =P |
| 04:55.06 | Amarande | in Cata, a shadow priest who is also going to be called on to heal every now and then will need to have two separate sets of kit |
| 04:55.25 | Amarande | this takes considerable time to acquire, especially at top raid levels where you can't just badge up to date |
| 04:55.27 | Wobin | Amarande, oh no =P |
| 04:55.35 | Gnarfoz | I've not called on a shadow priest to heal, in like, forever |
| 04:55.39 | Thrae | Amarande: Yeah, Shadow Priests, Boomkins, and Ele Shamans are all good candidates for "0.5 heals 0.5 dps" for fights like Blood Queen and Dreamwalker |
| 04:55.45 | Wobin | they'll have to work at it, just like most other dps/healers =P |
| 04:55.59 | Amarande | Wobin: don't forget you can't switch most gear during combat, either |
| 04:56.11 | Amarande | which means you can't do the half heal half DPS thing like Thrae suggests, at all |
| 04:56.15 | Gnarfoz | I want sleep. and these random thought experiments based on way to little information to happen when I have IRC turned off or something :P |
| 04:56.22 | Amarande | try to DPS in heal gear, you're doomed to miss too often and fail at DPSing |
| 04:56.28 | Thrae | Well more like "0.3 heals 0.7 dps", but you get the idea |
| 04:56.35 | Wobin | Amarande, I've outdpsed a hunter as a healer dps =( |
| 04:56.38 | Amarande | try to heal in DPS gear, and because of the heavy specialized role Spirit is being given now, you are positively doomed to OOM |
| 04:57.00 | Amarande | the latter bothers me more than the former, really |
| 04:57.01 | Wobin | purely for use of Mind Sear |
| 04:57.15 | Amarande | DPSing in heal gear was never really all that viable, because heal gear doesn't have hit rating |
| 04:57.16 | Gnarfoz | bad hunter, obviously |
| 04:57.52 | Amarande | (in fact, I've read many a tale of things getting gnarly against Moroes in particular in the BC days because of this, as well) |
| 04:58.06 | Gnarfoz | haha what |
| 04:58.12 | Gnarfoz | karazhan was hard, when? |
| 04:58.14 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: against Moroes, it was often SOP to shackle two adds |
| 04:58.19 | Thrae | Our group just downed Blood Queen 10-man after many wipes and I think our real problem was just plain DPS. I think we could have done it better with a hybrid Heal/DPS instead of three Healers. Of course if two Healers were better skilled and/or better geared we wouldn't need the Hybrid, but nobody has the perfect setup except people without lives. |
| 04:58.27 | Amarande | however, if you had two priests, they were probably one healer and one shadowie |
| 04:58.30 | Gnarfoz | you could just kill them anyway |
| 04:58.33 | Amarande | and the healer, of course, didn't have hit rating |
| 04:58.37 | Gnarfoz | or fear them |
| 04:58.49 | Amarande | hit rating affected (still affects, maybe?) the chance of CC breaking early |
| 04:58.57 | Gnarfoz | yes, for the heartbeat check |
| 04:59.05 | Thrae | Although I also had a theory Blood Queen could be done with one tank, but it depends on how Blood Mirror works, which I couldn't figure out from just Wowhead and Tankspot data |
| 04:59.10 | Amarande | so the add the healer was responsible for CCing would often break shackle early, and for new kara groups this sometimes led to trouble |
| 04:59.15 | Gnarfoz | even though not massively so |
| 04:59.26 | Gnarfoz | new kara groups meaning bads in greens? :\ |
| 04:59.28 | Kraps | "You know why she left me Freddie? Because I didn't love her" "That bitch" |
| 04:59.57 | Amarande | anyway, DPSing in heal gear was never particularly viable because of lack of hit rating |
| 05:00.14 | Amarande | otoh, the opposite, "mainly DPS, healer sometimes" is a much more frequent use of hybrids |
| 05:00.27 | Amarande | and this sounds like it will no longer work at all in Cata because of the retooling of spirit and mana regen |
| 05:00.36 | Thrae | Amarande: Which is exactly what I was talking about, "spot healing", normally using stuff with big cooldowns and crap like that |
| 05:00.46 | Thrae | Even a Feral Druid can heal a lot with Tranquility |
| 05:00.56 | Thrae | Not a good example, but he can |
| 05:00.59 | Gnarfoz | all of your suggestions to use half/half dps/heal are worse than having 1 real healer and 1 heal dps, anyway (at the moment, and hopefully still, in the future) |
| 05:01.00 | Amarande | and seeing as you can't switch gear *in combat*, even having two different sets of gear won't help with that |
| 05:01.29 | Gnarfoz | *real dps (damnit for typos making my sentences look totally bonkers) |
| 05:01.39 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: I'm personally not talking *always* in *any* situation, I am talking about one or maybe two specific fights in ICC-10, myself. I'm not sure what Amarande is arguing if it's different. |
| 05:01.49 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure either! |
| 05:01.51 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 05:01.58 | Gnarfoz | you're all mad! :D |
| 05:02.14 | Amarande | How about raid dungeons where different bosses need different numbers of healers? |
| 05:02.26 | Gnarfoz | dual spec, or rotate people out |
| 05:02.29 | Amarande | (perhaps because one boss is an OMGWTF DPS gear check and another needs a lot of healing) |
| 05:02.34 | Thrae | How dare we do things like half the group dies near 1% and some of the DPS takes up healing due to hybridism and we win anyway |
| 05:02.43 | Gnarfoz | the former being how it's done now, the latter how it was done before dual spec ;) |
| 05:02.46 | Thrae | That can't happen! |
| 05:03.15 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: *You* just like being contrary, admit it. |
| 05:03.26 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: that's situational - from what I understand, the suggestions being made were about doing this strategically |
| 05:03.40 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: yay. so raids should have to stop and farm tiers twice as long, when 75% or so of the raid is ready to move on to the next tier, simply so the hybrids can complete their second set of gear without which the raid will uber fail in the next tier |
| 05:03.43 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: huh? I prefer not to go that ad hominem route ;) |
| 05:03.43 | Amarande | yeah, that sounds fun. |
| 05:03.58 | Amarande | remember how irritated people got at ToC/ToGC after the first few weeks? :) |
| 05:03.59 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: uhm, it was like that for 4 years. |
| 05:04.11 | Gnarfoz | "people" being who? |
| 05:04.37 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: Yes, I could see with the same group setup we had before we could have done better with one 0.7 dps 0.3 heals rotation for one hybird on Blood Queen. I'd say that IS situational. |
| 05:04.49 | Amarande | actually, that may have been mostly tanks |
| 05:04.52 | Gnarfoz | generalizing, weasel words, incorrectly remembering past circumstances... I'll just go to bed :P |
| 05:04.57 | Amarande | mostly because of the duff itemization of tank gear between the 10 and 25 man loot tables |
| 05:05.19 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: Actually I was setting you up for a joke, you party-pooper |
| 05:05.37 | Gnarfoz | Mom! |
| 05:05.39 | Gnarfoz | Bathroom! |
| 05:05.40 | Thrae | But then again I guess you did deny it, so the joke plays out anyway! |
| 05:05.40 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 05:06.24 | Gnarfoz | (does that make Cartman a lan-party-pooper? :o) |
| 05:06.26 | Amarande | Tanks got a little tired of doing ToC -three times- a week to get needed gear, apparently |
| 05:06.57 | Gnarfoz | *shrug* |
| 05:07.12 | Gnarfoz | the relevant gear to *clear* togc25 was not from toc-anything anyway |
| 05:07.21 | Amarande | Trouble was you could be a grade-AAA tank who was doing ToC25 and ToGC25 |
| 05:07.54 | Amarande | And yet you'd still have to keep going back and doing 10-mans, because all the gear with one vital stat (hit, I think it was) in ToC raid was in the 10-man, and your shiny new 25-man heroic upgrade just sent you below hit cap ... |
| 05:08.23 | Amarande | I can understand someone getting a little sick of a raid after having to keep doing it week in, week out, three times a week. :) |
| 05:08.46 | Gnarfoz | it takes all but 30 minutes to clear toc normal (on either difficulty setting) |
| 05:09.08 | Gnarfoz | so yes, it might be repetitive, but it certainly doesn't take long |
| 05:09.20 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: sure, yeah, but ... |
| 05:09.37 | Gnarfoz | I'm just saying. I went through those hoops and I didn't really mind |
| 05:09.37 | Amarande | let's put it this way, let's say your server's dungeon finder was bugged so the first three random heroics you did each day would end up being the same dungeon |
| 05:09.43 | Amarande | you'd get a little bored daily, right? :) |
| 05:09.54 | Amarande | now let's say your server's dungeon finder was bugged so the first three random heroics you did each day were OCULUS |
| 05:09.58 | Gnarfoz | if it was always azjol-nerub I'd be happy :D |
| 05:10.03 | Gnarfoz | then, too |
| 05:10.04 | Amarande | you'd want to kick kittens, right? |
| 05:10.08 | Gnarfoz | because oculus is fucking easy |
| 05:10.23 | Amarande | okay, how about if it was HoR |
| 05:10.26 | Gnarfoz | since I'm not a retard forum whiner who can't mount a dragon :D |
| 05:10.38 | Amarande | and remember you're getting paired with four random pugs here |
| 05:10.43 | Gnarfoz | I'd probably be a bit miffed because it takes so long |
| 05:11.01 | Gnarfoz | why? :< |
| 05:11.21 | Gnarfoz | did I get a job that means I can only play at oh-dark-hundred? |
| 05:11.34 | Amarande | I'm still wondering if I'm ever going to see the end of MgT with a PUG. :) |
| 05:11.46 | Gnarfoz | you're still playing BC? |
| 05:11.58 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: I'm trying to farm up the reps before I move on to WotLK on my enchanter |
| 05:12.13 | Amarande | since farming the reps *without* the dungeon finder is going to be an exercise in masochism |
| 05:12.17 | Gnarfoz | and what shitty realm you must play on that your pugs can't clear MgT |
| 05:12.33 | Gnarfoz | or rather, battlegroup |
| 05:12.39 | Amarande | Stormstrike, apparently |
| 05:12.57 | Amarande | I'm not sure what the issue is, seeing as Mal'Ganis, perhaps the best server there is in terms of PvE content skill, is on Stormstrike :| |
| 05:12.57 | Gnarfoz | I had to say this some days ago already, my battlegroup must be some kind of wonderland |
| 05:13.34 | Amarande | let's see, the first time I ever did MgT I failed, but that was back in the BC days when it really was hard |
| 05:14.06 | Amarande | the most recent time ... well ... first we decide to take the right-hand group of mobs in the first parkish area first |
| 05:14.11 | Amarande | which itself is just ducky |
| 05:14.17 | Gnarfoz | why? |
| 05:14.24 | Gnarfoz | because it's the same as the other group? o_O |
| 05:14.25 | Amarande | but then the warrior goes over to the left to look over the balcony and say "hey, bosses down there" |
| 05:14.30 | Amarande | AND PULLS THE LEFT GROUP AND GETS US WIPED |
| 05:14.53 | Gnarfoz | well, with morons, anything is possible D: |
| 05:15.13 | Amarande | we eventually made it to the trash pulls *before* said bosses you can see down there, and then the group broke up after we kept wiping because someone kept aggroing an additional group who would proceed to OMG OMNOMNOM me :| |
| 05:15.26 | Amarande | (I being the healer here) |
| 05:15.44 | Amarande | I never did get to figure out WHAT was going wrong because I kept dying before I could :| |
| 05:16.14 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: the funny thing was that warrior also tanked shattered halls for us without trouble |
| 05:16.19 | Amarande | soo ... I dunno, heh |
| 05:16.46 | Amarande | (also, I really don't remember SH being that easy back in the day, did they nerf it?) |
| 05:17.05 | Gnarfoz | at least once, yes. |
| 05:21.50 | Amarande | hahah ... (On the subject of potential mats to be included in Cata) "I demand ytterbium." |
| 05:21.52 | Amarande | Woot. :) |
| 05:22.00 | Amarande | That's the kind of forum post we like to see. |
| 05:22.39 | Amarande | the suggestion of 'ExcelsiOre,' on the other hand, makes me want to groan. :) |
| 05:24.43 | Wobin | >< |
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| 05:40.31 | Amarande | you know, for all the failings Blizzard has had every now and then ... at least they're not as bad as Arena Net :) |
| 05:42.44 | awweaver | ? |
| 05:43.03 | Amarande | awweaver: Arena Net failed utterly at class balance compared even to the QQ leveled at Blizzard :) |
| 05:43.20 | Amarande | let's put it this way, in Guild Wars something like half the classes never see time in the elite missions :S |
| 05:43.28 | awweaver | Ok, never heard of Arena Net... |
| 05:43.38 | Amarande | they're the folks who run GW |
| 05:43.43 | awweaver | ahh |
| 05:43.49 | awweaver | Never played it... |
| 05:43.52 | awweaver | but i get the jist |
| 05:44.13 | Amarande | in GW, as in WoW, there are ten classes. in GW they're warrior, elementalist, necromancer, monk, assassin, dervish, mesmer, ritualist, paragon, and ranger |
| 05:44.40 | Amarande | let's put it this way - GW class balance is so poor that several classes, particularly the assassin, mesmer, ritualist, and dervish, are used very little at all in PvE |
| 05:45.22 | awweaver | yea |
| 05:45.42 | awweaver | i know in cata im switching to blood on my dk...damn tank spec... |
| 05:45.54 | ZorbaTHut | WoW's class balance is the worst of any MMORPG, except for all the rest. |
| 05:46.03 | awweaver | ... |
| 05:46.19 | Amarande | awweaver: you were frost dps? |
| 05:46.21 | ZorbaTHut | (they're even worse) |
| 05:46.26 | awweaver | Im uholy DPS |
| 05:46.31 | awweaver | unholy |
| 05:46.34 | Amarande | unholy DPS is apparently going to still be viable |
| 05:46.47 | Amarande | it's frost DPS that's going to likely become substandard and require you either become a tank or respec |
| 05:46.48 | awweaver | i am dual specced dps is my main though |
| 05:46.55 | Amarande | (note: BECOME A TANK, WE NEED THEM) |
| 05:47.06 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, for cata? isn't frost dps supposed to be perfectly good in cataclysm? |
| 05:47.12 | ZorbaTHut | it's frost tank and blood dps that they're removing |
| 05:47.20 | awweaver | I have a tank spec, gear but im not capped in all the right places yet |
| 05:47.22 | Amarande | Zorba: I was reading that the frost spec was becoming more specialized for tanking |
| 05:47.34 | ZorbaTHut | no, they're turning blood into the tank spec |
| 05:47.36 | ZorbaTHut | last I heard, at least |
| 05:47.42 | awweaver | yep |
| 05:47.53 | awweaver | The only tank spec... |
| 05:47.54 | Amarande | it was something under how they were going to handle the fact that frost DW's were going to have gear issues because most frost DW's end up with weapons with lots of AGI, which is going to be useless to DKs |
| 05:47.55 | ZorbaTHut | that's what the class preview claims, so it'd be a pretty dang fast turnaround |
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| 05:48.10 | awweaver | DW |
| 05:48.10 | ZorbaTHut | "Blood seemed like the best fit for tanking. Unholy has always had a strong niche with diseases, magic, and command over pets. Frost now feels like a solid dual-wield tree with Frost magic damage and decent crowd control. Blood's niche was self-healing -- fitting for a tank -- as well as strong weapon swings, which could easily be migrated to Frost and Unholy." |
| 05:48.12 | awweaver | ? |
| 05:48.13 | Amarande | I'm assuming that in addition to getting 2 AP per stat point for your "appropriate" stat (str or agi), you get *zilch* for the other one? |
| 05:48.30 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, no, agi is actually reasonably good for plate dps |
| 05:48.36 | ZorbaTHut | and quite surprisingly good for plate tanks |
| 05:48.41 | awweaver | Im not capped for def, im like 16 away |
| 05:48.43 | Amarande | how about str for mail/leather wearers |
| 05:48.44 | ZorbaTHut | you get 1ap per point, plus crit, plus dodge, plus armor |
| 05:48.52 | ZorbaTHut | I *think* they get 1ap per point |
| 05:49.04 | awweaver | 1 or 2... |
| 05:49.16 | ZorbaTHut | I also seem to recall that mail/leather wearers get 1ap per point of agi as well |
| 05:49.20 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: We had a Fury Warrior in ICC-25 claim he had the right to roll Main Spec on *LEATHER* Agility DPS gear, and whined the whole time after he was refused. |
| 05:49.21 | ZorbaTHut | they just also get tasty crit |
| 05:49.26 | awweaver | and i have to say the WoW headse ti way too damn expensive |
| 05:49.34 | ZorbaTHut | thrae, well, leather is *still* best-in-slot for some fury warrior slots |
| 05:49.38 | Amarande | Thrae: bads are everywhere :S |
| 05:49.39 | ZorbaTHut | it's ridiculous but true |
| 05:49.49 | ZorbaTHut | I don't believe he should be rolling on it mainspec, but I can sort of see his position. |
| 05:49.54 | Amarande | did he at least not stand in fire? |
| 05:50.13 | awweaver | Who? |
| 05:50.15 | awweaver | o |
| 05:50.23 | awweaver | my bad im lazy and dont like walls |
| 05:50.27 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: True, but if there's one or more Rogues or Feral Druid (DPS Spec) in the group, they have only one shot at DPS gear, while Fury Warriors would have two. That's where it's not fair. |
| 05:50.38 | ZorbaTHut | thrae, oh, true, I agree it's not fair |
| 05:50.41 | Amarande | anyway, so frost is *meant* to be dual wield now? |
| 05:50.48 | ZorbaTHut | still, it's always kind of frustrating when you're not allowed to roll on your BiS item |
| 05:50.49 | Amarande | makes me wonder how they're going to handle weapon itemization then |
| 05:50.51 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, yes |
| 05:51.00 | Amarande | like I said ... plate DPS seems to be meant to have lots of strength now |
| 05:51.03 | ZorbaTHut | why would they need to change weapon itemization? frost is perfectly happy with slow 1h'ers |
| 05:51.06 | awweaver | why do people have to do shit to piiss the cops off it makes it noisy here... |
| 05:51.09 | Thrae | Yeah, that's true. Bracers and Waist are hard to come by for a reason. |
| 05:51.19 | Thrae | Bracers, Waist, Feet. |
| 05:51.21 | ZorbaTHut | I mean fury is apparently getting a 1h variant as well |
| 05:51.24 | Amarande | Zorba: because frost DW weapons tend to currently have a lot of AGI when the plate-wearingness of Frost would suggest STR |
| 05:51.33 | ZorbaTHut | so there's two plate classes planning on carting around two 1h weapons for dps |
| 05:51.41 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, as I said, agi is still quite good for plate |
| 05:51.50 | Amarande | fury is "getting" a 1H variant? |
| 05:51.51 | Thrae | BTW, any Warriors ever have rage-starvation problems? |
| 05:51.54 | Amarande | for most of fury's history, it used two 1H's |
| 05:52.04 | ZorbaTHut | *after* the plate armor-to-AP conversion, some leather is *still* BiS |
| 05:52.20 | ZorbaTHut | given a choice between agi and str rings, plate tends to prefer agi thanks to it having more raw stats on it |
| 05:52.22 | Amarande | it was only when they made that silly titan's grip thing that fury started using two 2H's, and even then not always |
| 05:52.29 | Thrae | I usually notice even Warrior off-tanks find a way to generate Rage without having main threat |
| 05:52.34 | ZorbaTHut | the only people not using 2h's in Wrath for Fury are idiots :P |
| 05:52.36 | Amarande | (given that, in particular, you need to find several % more hit rating if you use titans, if I understand?) |
| 05:52.41 | ZorbaTHut | but, yes, it's getting its old 1h option back |
| 05:52.47 | ZorbaTHut | no, titan's is merely a physical damage reduction |
| 05:52.57 | Amarande | ah, I'm thinking of the original release titans |
| 05:53.00 | ZorbaTHut | at one point it reduced hit chance further, but that hasn't been true for a while |
| 05:53.07 | Amarande | it must have changed ... my warrior is arms, so I have only made a cursory look at fury |
| 05:53.21 | ZorbaTHut | thrae, it's called "ineffectually smacking the boss for tiny amounts of rage, and using the minimal cooldowns available" |
| 05:53.23 | ZorbaTHut | it's not really fun. |
| 05:53.44 | Thrae | While as a Feral Druid the damage put out to an off-tank is sometimes not enough for me, and I *need* something attacking me |
| 05:53.55 | Amarande | Thrae: I believe Arms has a talent that generates rage over time |
| 05:53.58 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it's the same deal as a warrior offtank. |
| 05:54.02 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember what it is called |
| 05:54.11 | Amarande | it's not very far into the tree, either |
| 05:54.25 | awweaver | Sigh...anyone want to do dailies with me? |
| 05:54.30 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, Anger Management |
| 05:54.32 | awweaver | i hate the tourny ones |
| 05:54.33 | ZorbaTHut | it's terrible |
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| 05:54.37 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, but looking at Warriors on off-tanking, they seem to be around 20 rage on average despite not getting hit much or at all |
| 05:54.49 | ZorbaTHut | thrae, they're probably not using their abilities much. |
| 05:54.58 | ZorbaTHut | that said, as offtank, you don't really have to do much |
| 05:55.05 | ZorbaTHut | offtanks are not expected to gain threat |
| 05:55.21 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: No, Recount shows they are. The ones that don't average more like 50. |
| 05:55.46 | Amarande | bah recount |
| 05:55.50 | Amarande | I didn't even install recount this time |
| 05:55.53 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect they're not using anywhere near their full rotation then |
| 05:55.57 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.06 | Amarande | recount is one of those addons like gearscore that we wish would go away |
| 05:56.12 | Kraps | yay for twitter racism |
| 05:56.17 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: I'm just comparing Feral Druid Tanking vs Warrior Tanking, it seems Warriors have slightly better tools to generate rage without getting beat the hell up |
| 05:57.10 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: And I'll say this, on **BLOOD QUEEN** I noticed I easily got down to near 0 Rage as the main tank, while the off-tank (getting damaged through Blood Mirror), didn't seem to have a problem despite using all the abilities they could |
| 05:57.46 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Crap, I just realized one of our major rage generators is Dodge and ICC greatly debuffs Dodge |
| 05:57.54 | ZorbaTHut | thrae, I honestly don't know how that could be the case - warriors have basically two rage generator buttons, one of which has a long cooldown and the other of which is Charge |
| 05:58.11 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: I'm talking procs and reactive abilities |
| 05:58.34 | Thrae | For Druids, it's Crits, Dodges, and Damage |
| 05:58.46 | Thrae | For Warriors, it's...what besides Damage? |
| 05:58.47 | Kanedra | lol rage normalization |
| 05:59.02 | ZorbaTHut | thrae, damage, blocks I think |
| 05:59.27 | ZorbaTHut | I don't believe we get anything special on crits, besides more rage as per standard rage calculations |
| 05:59.31 | ZorbaTHut | the block bonus is quite minimal however |
| 05:59.57 | Thrae | Druids have a talent which gives them more rage on crits, why would they need one if rage generation did that naturally? |
| 06:00.17 | ZorbaTHut | for the same reason that rogues have multiple talents that give more damage on crits? |
| 06:00.20 | ZorbaTHut | namely, that you get *even more*? |
| 06:00.31 | Thrae | We get 5 Rage |
| 06:00.44 | Thrae | Doesn't sound like "even more" |
| 06:01.01 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Rage_generation hmm, maybe you don't get a crit bonus. it's always seemed like I do but it might just be thanks to doing more damage |
| 06:01.10 | Corrodias | i don't recall having trouble getting rage back in 2.4, in general |
| 06:01.17 | ZorbaTHut | oh no, there it is - Hit Factor |
| 06:01.22 | ZorbaTHut | significant bonus for critting |
| 06:01.23 | Thrae | Corrodias: For Ferals? |
| 06:01.27 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 06:01.31 | Amarande | I'm just glad WotLK changed the rage stuff etc. so that I can be a disc healer without pissing off the tank :) |
| 06:02.00 | Thrae | Corrodias: Well 2.4 doesn't include WotLK or even ICC, I think the -20% Dodge really hurts Ferals vs Warriors because Ferals rely on and specifically have a talent which generates rage for dodging |
| 06:02.16 | ZorbaTHut | so, druids get the normal damage for a hit, plus a bonus for a crit, plus a further bonus from their talent |
| 06:02.20 | Corrodias | true, my experience is so outdated now that it's not worth much. :( |
| 06:02.37 | ZorbaTHut | thrae, I don't think it's really an issue. I mean, when main-tanking, I assume you're rage-capped all the time |
| 06:02.46 | ZorbaTHut | plus you get *more rage* for getting hit than you ever could for dodging |
| 06:02.50 | Amarande | Corrodias: you're corroding. :) |
| 06:02.54 | Corrodias | ha |
| 06:02.56 | ZorbaTHut | so if anything that actually increases your rage substantially |
| 06:03.33 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: There are more then a few fights in ICC where the tanks need to a) deal with adds, and/or b) the boss uses a lot of magic attacks that don't even target the tanks all the time |
| 06:03.39 | Corrodias | back then, all i had to do was hit stuff, mangle when it was up, and maul when i had extra rage (which, when MT, was often). or if there were multiple targets, i swiped. |
| 06:03.51 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but still, do you ever end up rage-starved? |
| 06:03.54 | ZorbaTHut | 'cause in Ulduar I never did. |
| 06:04.02 | ZorbaTHut | and it's not like you even *can* dodge magic attacks |
| 06:04.03 | Corrodias | but when you're able to swipe, rage is not an issue at all |
| 06:04.06 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: I was specifically thinking of Blood Queen, but Lady Deathwhisper can be even worse, especially 25-man where it's one tank per group of adds |
| 06:04.12 | ZorbaTHut | and, again, if you don't dodge, you *get more rage than if you had* |
| 06:04.28 | ZorbaTHut | the talent to get rage off dodging just makes dodges suck somewhat less from a rage point of view |
| 06:04.46 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Then you have the issue of needing to draw threat with possibly 0 rage using Enrage + Swipe which may not be fast enough for your trigger-happy DPS |
| 06:05.01 | Amarande | the talent to get rage off dodging is designed to partially avoid the trap that was BC |
| 06:05.03 | ZorbaTHut | and that's why you shouldn't be burning all your rage in a situation where your threat doesn't matter |
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| 06:05.23 | Corrodias | you kids get off my lawn |
| 06:05.32 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Well it's not like you start with rage, and you may have used it up by the time the adds die |
| 06:05.33 | Amarande | yay, BC, where not only was there the same tank shortage as there is now |
| 06:05.48 | ZorbaTHut | a good tank is saving their threat at the end of a fight for the next one |
| 06:05.48 | Amarande | but the few good tanks there were weren't good in 5-mans, because raid geared tanks in BC 5-mans couldn't maintain rage |
| 06:06.00 | ZorbaTHut | I tend to stop using abilities for the last ten seconds of every fight in CoS |
| 06:06.04 | Corrodias | hah, i think i ran into that once, Amarande |
| 06:06.06 | Thrae | Neither Swipe nor Thunder Clap (and/or Cleave) are the heaven of multi-tanking people may think they are |
| 06:06.21 | ZorbaTHut | on top of that, if you really need rage, you can always /sit |
| 06:06.29 | Thrae | multi-target tanking that is |
| 06:06.45 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: That doesn't work if they're dead, which is what I'm talking about |
| 06:06.51 | Thrae | Starting with a 0 situation |
| 06:06.57 | ZorbaTHut | well, if they're dead, and you have no rage, and you need rage, then you fucked up |
| 06:07.07 | Corrodias | you have to kind of manage things so you don't COMPLETELY run out of rage |
| 06:07.10 | ZorbaTHut | stop fucking up and predict your rage needs in the future. :) |
| 06:07.14 | Thrae | Yes! Tanks can fuck up every now and then and it shouldn't be a wipe |
| 06:07.17 | Amarande | "bads are everywhere" |
| 06:07.29 | ZorbaTHut | yeah have you ever played a tank? 'cause . . . it doesn't work that way |
| 06:07.38 | ZorbaTHut | you fuck up, it might just be a wipe. :P |
| 06:07.39 | Thrae | I *only* play a tank |
| 06:07.50 | ZorbaTHut | been true in every raid I know of. |
| 06:07.56 | Thrae | I'm saying the current system isn't working as intended, and from the previews, it seems they *are* changing it |
| 06:08.01 | ZorbaTHut | hell I wiped a sarth raid by accidentally taunting sarth. |
| 06:08.30 | Thrae | Well I'm talking about a mechanic here, not just a general fuck-up anyone can do |
| 06:08.54 | Thrae | s/a mechanic/one mechanic/;s/general/threat/ |
| 06:09.10 | ZorbaTHut | I do agree that raid pre-cataclysm was broken |
| 06:09.21 | ZorbaTHut | er, that rage was broken |
| 06:09.21 | Thrae | Wait |
| 06:09.31 | Thrae | Pre-Cataclysm or Pre-WotLK? |
| 06:09.38 | Thrae | Since Pre-Cataclysm is *now* :D |
| 06:09.42 | ZorbaTHut | pre-cataclysm. rage right now sucks. |
| 06:09.49 | Thrae | Right |
| 06:09.49 | ZorbaTHut | it's basically awful. |
| 06:09.58 | Thrae | That's what I've been trying to say |
| 06:10.05 | Corrodias | it makes you... rage |
| 06:10.12 | Thrae | I think it sucks for both rage-using classes, more for Ferals, but still sucks overall |
| 06:10.21 | ZorbaTHut | *however*, it's awful for reasons other than "I need rage mid-fight and don't have it because I burned it all" |
| 06:10.32 | ZorbaTHut | the solution to that problem is "don't burn it all" |
| 06:10.34 | Thrae | And I think Cataclysm will help it which makes trying to thing of ideas to fix it moot |
| 06:10.50 | ZorbaTHut | it's awful because it penalizes gearing up and, in raid situations, is pretty much a non-mechanic because you have infinite amounts of you're using it properly. |
| 06:11.05 | ZorbaTHut | it's far too spiky, both for tanks and dps, and overall just not fun |
| 06:11.09 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: It isn't always that easy though, there are fights where you need to burn all you can just to complete the fight |
| 06:11.32 | ZorbaTHut | function user_tried_to_do_something() if rand() < 0.9 then do_it() else error("lol not enough rage") end end |
| 06:11.34 | Thrae | I go back to Blood Queen, where even the two tanks need to do exceptional DPS to avoid that damn Beserk timer |
| 06:12.08 | Thrae | I did hypothesize that Blood Queen can be two-healed, but those healers either need to be damn well geared and/or damn well skilled |
| 06:12.34 | Amarande | you know ... there really should also be some sort of trend towards alternative means to encourage people to finish a fight quickly rather than hard time limits |
| 06:13.08 | Amarande | e.g. Faerlina = good time encouragement design. Brutallus = bad. |
| 06:13.11 | Thrae | Amarande: Yeah, I have a feeling they'll be removing or seriously extending Berserk/Enrage timers in Cataclysm with their intended changes to Mana |
| 06:13.29 | ZorbaTHut | still, I'd really rather not have another Heigan |
| 06:13.37 | ZorbaTHut | oh, what's that, 3/4 of the raid died on the first dance |
| 06:13.42 | ZorbaTHut | guess you've got a 25-minute fight ahead of you |
| 06:13.46 | Thrae | I think it was a hotfix for the current "virtually unlimited mana" situation ICC fights can face |
| 06:14.26 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: I think ICC shows they are trying to move away from "X number of people *will* almost always die on this fight" |
| 06:14.41 | ZorbaTHut | in fairness, that only happened in Naxx because people suck |
| 06:14.57 | Kanedra | Indeed |
| 06:15.05 | Thrae | I'm thinking back to Vanilla |
| 06:15.11 | Kanedra | 90% of the people die at Sindragosa as well |
| 06:15.12 | Kanedra | :< |
| 06:15.14 | Thrae | Lots of "too bad you die" fights |
| 06:15.15 | ZorbaTHut | ah, I'm not familiar with vanilla naxx |
| 06:15.22 | Thrae | Not just Naxx |
| 06:15.27 | Amarande | "Cobra Shot (level 81): A new shot that deals Nature damage instead of Physical damage. This ability will share a cooldown with Steady Shot. This will give hunters an alternative to Steady Shot on heavily-armored targets, and we will have talent incentives in the Beast Mastery tree to make this a signature shot." |
| 06:15.45 | Amarande | Thrae: heh, some folks should read Fighting Fantasy or even Lone Wolf gamebooks and *then* try complaining that WoW is hard |
| 06:16.13 | Thrae | Amarande: I didn't say it was hard, I said it was stupid, huuuuge difference |
| 06:16.24 | Amarande | well, stupid too. |
| 06:16.28 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, in fairness, s/hard/stupid/ and amarande's point still stands |
| 06:16.29 | Amarande | Chaos Master from Lone Wolf #11, anyone? :) |
| 06:16.32 | ZorbaTHut | oh man, those adventure books |
| 06:16.33 | ZorbaTHut | so fucking awful |
| 06:16.47 | Amarande | "oh you brought the Sommerswerd? 47/68 enemy FOR YOU!" |
| 06:16.59 | ZorbaTHut | Congratulations, you got the Ridiculously Powerful Sword! In order to keep the game balanced we're going to make all the enemies FAR MORE POWERFUL |
| 06:17.17 | ZorbaTHut | to the point where people doing optimum runs figured out contrived ways to *lose the sword* because it was actually a hindrance |
| 06:17.19 | Thrae | Stupid Fights cannot be Hard because they are already Stupid. It's a universal law. Hard means you need good skill, but there is no amount of skill that can counter stupidity. |
| 06:17.23 | Amarande | Granted, that didn't start in earnest till about book eight or so |
| 06:17.24 | Kanedra | People.. actually play that? |
| 06:17.32 | Kanedra | Isn't that like D&D? |
| 06:18.05 | ZorbaTHut | it's a game book, it's mildly interesting |
| 06:18.11 | Thrae | Then again, I used to work in Tech Support, so my job was skillful countering of stupidity on many sides... |
| 06:18.13 | Amarande | 7 had Zahda, in one path ... but that boost just negated the Sommerswerd's boost, without making things really any harder than if you didn't have it |
| 06:18.31 | Amarande | I believe the first "oh shit, why did I bring this thing" Sommerswerd fight is the Gnaag Helghast |
| 06:18.50 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, of course, if you had a *different* non-Sommerswerd weapon available, you would in effect be penalized |
| 06:19.19 | Amarande | although most people don't really bitch till Kimah |
| 06:19.33 | Thrae | This all reminds me of a very cool Oblivion mod without any connection to what you're talking about. |
| 06:19.35 | Amarande | (and really, the Gnaag Helghast can technically be avoided, although you need to do something that seems on the surface like the wrong thing) |
| 06:20.24 | Amarande | The most irritating thing about Kimah is that even getting yourself thrown in jail to lose the Sommerswerd doesn't make things THAT much easier, because you also lose the Dagger of Vashna which you need to be able to do the cheap shot to win |
| 06:20.44 | Thrae | Now wouldn't it be cool in Cataclysm if they changed PvE to include randomized AI? |
| 06:20.53 | Thrae | That can go one of two ways -- everyone loves it or everyone hates it |
| 06:21.09 | ZorbaTHut | what do you mean by randomized? |
| 06:21.17 | ZorbaTHut | because there's already a moderate random factor |
| 06:21.18 | Amarande | Zorba: "Died facing the Chaos Master twenty three female-parent-having-sex-with times." -- RPGnet's Lone Wolf Let's Play thread |
| 06:21.23 | Amarande | I think that one's the worst one |
| 06:21.37 | Amarande | Somehow, they managed to make it through The Deathlord of Ixia without dying that I remember, which amazes me |
| 06:21.40 | ZorbaTHut | I don't remember the individual boss fights, but I do remember that some of it just seems hilariously unfair |
| 06:21.47 | Thrae | The battles would no longer have to be "learned" since they're randomized so they could much more easily be done on the first try, but people used to learning fights and can't really adlib would suffer greatly |
| 06:21.49 | ZorbaTHut | and then I started reading LPs of other game books and, my god, Lone Wolf was the best one |
| 06:22.04 | ZorbaTHut | thrae, over-randomization means that sometimes it's impossible and sometimes it's way too easy |
| 06:22.13 | ZorbaTHut | you wouldn't be "learning" the fight, you'd be crossing your fingers and hoping |
| 06:22.28 | Amarande | Zorba: that may also be because a lot of gamebooks don't work well as LPs |
| 06:22.44 | Amarande | Fighting Fantasy especially, because so many FF books require such a very specific, non-obvious path choice in order to get all the MacGuffins you needed |
| 06:22.44 | ZorbaTHut | some random factors can easily be thrown into fights that are fundamentally non-random and still provide that adlib effect |
| 06:22.59 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I will argue that they don't work well *as games* |
| 06:23.13 | ZorbaTHut | and, yes, they don't work well as LPs either, but that is in many ways rather secondary. |
| 06:23.16 | Amarande | Lone Wolf, as far as I know, avoided that problem almost all the time ... the only significant such case is in book 2 |
| 06:23.24 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, lone wolf generally avoided that |
| 06:23.50 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Right now it's all about learning the fight and only a little adlib, I'm really talking about making a better boss AI so the pattern isn't nearly as predictable. |
| 06:24.28 | Amarande | I'm still wondering if the Grail Quest one, which is getting pretty near to completing book four is going to get themselves sent to 14 and have to do it all over again after all :) |
| 06:24.40 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: They've done it in other games and some people liked it and some people hated it. I think overall people like things to be simple and predictable so I doubt it'll ever happen except maybe as an experiment. |
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| 06:25.28 | Thrae | But I also feverantly disagree that improved Boss AI will turn into "impossible or easy", as the very word "improved AI" means, well, improved AI! |
| 06:26.43 | Thrae | As a random thought, the boss could change pattern based on how much damage and healing the raid has done as well as some added difference for different raid setups. Of course this can all be monitored on the raider's end too, but I can't think off the top of my head something measurable that could be included into the algorithm... |
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| 06:28.17 | Thrae | The branches for just one action done by a boss using a more advanced AI could number in the hundreds to hundreds of thousands. Not something my head can easily compute this late at night. |
| 06:28.48 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but how would you keep that from turning into "when the boss does X, you do Y"? I mean, that's what it already is |
| 06:29.02 | Amarande | Zorba: at least it's slightly different from now |
| 06:29.03 | ZorbaTHut | unless you expect to give the boss dozens or hundreds of attack patterns and abilities, but that seems obviously impractical |
| 06:29.15 | Amarande | where it's more often "the boss is known to be about do to X, so we do Y" |
| 06:29.18 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Patterns yes, abilities no |
| 06:29.28 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, not hugely different. I mean, Onyxia's Deep Breath, for example |
| 06:30.37 | Amarande | ok, now what was I going to say about hunters |
| 06:30.39 | Amarande | oh, right. |
| 06:30.40 | Thrae | What if, instead of phases, Onyxia just stayed up there doing Deep Breathes but had contiously more vulnerability to Ranged damage the longer she decided to stay up there? |
| 06:30.41 | Amarande | "Cobra Shot (level 81): A new shot that deals Nature damage instead of Physical damage. This ability will share a cooldown with Steady Shot. This will give hunters an alternative to Steady Shot on heavily-armored targets, and we will have talent incentives in the Beast Mastery tree to make this a signature shot." |
| 06:30.55 | Amarande | wonders if this means that BM will become the new big hunter tree |
| 06:31.22 | Thrae | So if she decided to stay up there too long, the Ranged would down her just as quickly as the Melee DPS pitching in |
| 06:31.33 | Thrae | While the Melee DPS would be busy with the adds that happen during that phase |
| 06:32.11 | Thrae | That's just one addition right there which I think could work |
| 06:32.46 | Amarande | wow, no more ammo in cata |
| 06:32.50 | Kanedra | what |
| 06:32.51 | Kanedra | no mroe ammo?/ |
| 06:32.52 | ZorbaTHut | then it would be exactly like phase 2 of the current fight :P |
| 06:32.53 | Kanedra | *more |
| 06:32.56 | Kanedra | No way. |
| 06:32.56 | Amarande | no more ammo. |
| 06:33.01 | Kanedra | Way to ruin engineers |
| 06:33.03 | Amarande | any ammo you do have at the time will become gray. |
| 06:33.12 | Kanedra | How else would I make money now |
| 06:33.34 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Well, it would be more like Phase 1, Phase 2, and Phase 3 would have variable lengths of time instead of depending on Onyxia's health |
| 06:33.40 | Amarande | who knows, they haven't talked about the profession changes yet |
| 06:33.54 | Amarande | and you're saying that Jeeves and MOLL-E aren't sufficient incentives to be an engineer? :P |
| 06:34.01 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but would that make the game any more fun? |
| 06:34.13 | Kanedra | Hah, well, you're right about that, I suppose ;p |
| 06:34.13 | ZorbaTHut | sometimes you get solid phase 2 and all the melee wonder why they came, and it takes twice as long |
| 06:34.19 | ZorbaTHut | sometimes you get solid phase 1 and it's just trivial |
| 06:34.24 | Kanedra | I mean, I only got the schematics for the arrows like last week |
| 06:34.46 | Kanedra | They should just have more.. 'nifty' high leveled Engineering schematics |
| 06:34.51 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: There would be three phases, obviously it would be balanced around Phase 2 and Phase 3 |
| 06:35.07 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: As for the Melee DPS, they *are* needed to control the adds in Phase 2 despite what they may think |
| 06:35.09 | Kanedra | I mean, Jeeves / Moll-E are great, but they aren't 'fun'. |
| 06:35.56 | Thrae | Kanedra: I noticed they removed the Level 60 restrictions on some of the earlier trinkets and gadgets |
| 06:36.19 | Thrae | Kanedra: The Net and Death Ray, for instance, no longer mention diminishing returns |
| 06:36.30 | Kanedra | .. oh? |
| 06:36.43 | Kanedra | I loved Death Ray! |
| 06:37.01 | Kanedra | That's great news |
| 06:37.14 | Thrae | I haven't done a huge sample to see if that's just an error, but the Death Ray specifically says it uses YOUR health to do damage, so of course that should mean More Health (like Level 80 PvP Health) == More Damage |
| 06:37.29 | Amarande | btw, who claimed that there might be a bias towards longer fights because of the mana thing? |
| 06:37.36 | Amarande | having read the warlock preview, I now disagree |
| 06:38.12 | Thrae | Amarande: No one here, I claimed they'd increase the Enrage/Berserk timers while trying to focus on Mana as the defining limit for fights just lasting damn too long |
| 06:38.40 | Amarande | if anything, the warlock preview suggests that boss fights may be made even shorter |
| 06:38.50 | Amarande | 3 shards per fight and no way to get more |
| 06:39.22 | Thrae | Yeah, no one here said the fights would be longer or shorter, just a different resource mechanic to worry about for time limits |
| 06:39.46 | Kanedra | .. some guy doing 8k dps in heroics |
| 06:39.46 | Kanedra | nice |
| 06:40.09 | Amarande | "When reapplying a DoT, you can no longer "clip" the final tick." |
| 06:40.10 | Amarande | YES. |
| 06:41.13 | Thrae | Amarande: I think the idea is that the Warlock would use 3 shards in like 2-3 pulls, not 3 shards in one pull (unless that specific pull needed serious DPS), and 2-3 heroic pulls are about the same time as one boss fight w/o adds (those tend to be shorter) |
| 06:41.43 | ZorbaTHut | on the other hand, if you regen shards fast out of combat, why not use all 3 shards per pull? |
| 06:41.51 | Thrae | Amarande: Because already Warlocks and other classes need to kill things to get bonuses, the add fights are longer |
| 06:42.29 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Depends on how fast I suppose and if the current "facerolling" type of Heroic play is continued in Cataclysm (hope not) |
| 06:43.23 | Amarande | "Weapon-specialization talents (for all classes, not just rogues) are going away." YES. |
| 06:43.33 | Thrae | Really it's the encounters themselves that need to be retuned, not the classes |
| 06:43.40 | Thrae | Future encounters that is |
| 06:44.12 | Thrae | Just place more emphasis on CC, not like the Vanilla days but a nice middle ground, and I think we've got some good variety |
| 06:45.11 | Amarande | MS is being nerfed. YES. |
| 06:45.19 | Thrae | I think WotLK itself started the whole "we hate CC" trend to the current ridiculous point where they fine-tuned it out of existance in most Heroics and made AoE king |
| 06:45.35 | Thrae | Amarande: We don't know if MS is being nerfed from what they've said so far |
| 06:45.45 | Amarande | well, as an arms warrior I guess I shouldn't be *entirely* squeeing on that one, but the healing debuff being nerfed will help my solo squishies |
| 06:46.03 | Amarande | Thrae: they're nerfing the debuff, not the attack itself |
| 06:46.26 | Thrae | Amarande: Remember a lot of the coefficients will be changing with Cataclysm, so the debuff change doesn't necessarily mean a nerf on how it effects players |
| 06:46.44 | Thrae | Right now all we can say is that MS will be different, we can't say it's a nerf yet |
| 06:47.39 | Thrae | Amarande: And it's not just MS, Death Knights are getting something like MS and everything that IS like MS is getting their coefficients changed |
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| 06:47.50 | Thrae | Like the Frost Mage debuff |
| 06:49.04 | Thrae | Speaking of Death Knights |
| 06:49.23 | Thrae | This is purely a personal opinion, but I think Frost should be the Tanking tree, not Blood |
| 06:50.00 | ZorbaTHut | I think the idea is that they want a 2h dps tree and a DW dps tree |
| 06:50.08 | Thrae | Ohhh...wait they already have Frost with some good CCs and anti-CCs...hmmm. |
| 06:50.19 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: They could do that with any of the three trees |
| 06:50.26 | ZorbaTHut | and self-healing is a neat gimmick for tanking, while frost doesn't really have a tanky gimmick |
| 06:50.32 | ZorbaTHut | (unholy has antimagic though) |
| 06:50.43 | Thrae | But I think having Blood with CCs and anti-CCs like Frost does doesn't make sense |
| 06:50.50 | ZorbaTHut | I think they want to preserve the rough feel of the three trees |
| 06:51.04 | Amarande | hmm, druids. EXPLODING MUSHROOMS. YES. |
| 06:51.14 | Amarande | simply for the cool factor, if nothing else heh |
| 06:51.18 | ZorbaTHut | I think the Tree of Life changes sound quite interesting |
| 06:51.36 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Honestly I always did Frost/Unholy/Blood for tanking DKs and saw Frost 1st and Unholy 2nd as good tanking specs |
| 06:51.43 | Amarande | wow ... usually I have to be told to stop complaining ... at this rate I'll have to be told to stop squeeing |
| 06:51.44 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: When it comes to raid tanking |
| 06:52.42 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Which is also why I was surprised they made Blood the Tanking tree, not to mention I thought Blood/Unholy/Frost was one of the best raid DPS specs |
| 06:53.25 | Thrae | However, I think it's more about Frost's CC and anti-CC and therefore focus on Runic Power that made them decide on Blood, as well as Frost already being a DW tree |
| 06:54.15 | Thrae | Doesn't Frost just sound like it'd be a tanking tree? It's *Frost*, makes you think of some chilled giant. Or maybe that's just the game's own giants running through my head. |
| 06:54.55 | Thrae | Where as "Blood" is like bleeding, and who wants a tank that bleeds all over the place. They're suppose to bleed less, not more. |
| 06:55.28 | Thrae | Although (using this word for the 52nd time), a tank that relies on self-heals for mitigation would also be interesting as a different gimmick. |
| 06:55.48 | Thrae | I think Prot. Pallies already use self-heals partly? |
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| 06:56.56 | Thrae | That would retcon MS fights, but MS is changing anyway...for players |
| 06:57.17 | Thrae | Unless it's MS-immune, and there you go |
| 07:00.46 | Amarande | shamans, on the other hand, seem to have been given a good beating with the "F U PLAYER" stick :| |
| 07:00.54 | Wobin | =( |
| 07:01.05 | Amarande | I guess it's just as well that I never rolled one, because it sounds like they're going to be crap in 4.0 |
| 07:01.25 | Amarande | I pored very carefully over the shaman article looking for something positive to say, but it just isn't there :( |
| 07:02.05 | Amarande | Bloodlust was basically given to mages, and shamans seem to have suffered a number of significant nerfs to themselves to boot |
| 07:02.28 | ZorbaTHut | besides four entire new spells, improved buffs to give them more totem flexibility, and a looser enhancement rotation |
| 07:02.34 | Amarande | not to mention, even if shamans were left as they were, Bloodlust given to mages would have been a severe blow |
| 07:02.39 | Wobin | they're already awesome |
| 07:02.49 | Amarande | a lot of raids seriously feel they need only one shaman, and that only even because of bloodlust |
| 07:02.52 | ZorbaTHut | I dunno, I don't see any issues there. bloodlust was ridiculous as is, and I suspect the mage version is going to be somewhat different |
| 07:04.13 | Amarande | as for the removal of cleansing totem, I'm a little miffed for solo reasons, although it's only really vital in certain situations |
| 07:04.26 | Amarande | mainly: the few enemies that use poisons that stun |
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| 07:04.39 | Amarande | I'm thinking in particular of the elite scorpid in Silithus |
| 07:05.08 | ZorbaTHut | that enemy might not even exist in cataclysm :) |
| 07:06.23 | Thrae | Ah time on the toilet gave me a great idea that isn't crap! |
| 07:07.35 | Thrae | For Feral Tanking, instead of trying to bundle Mangle + FFF together in a cast sequence, put it with Bash (which I currently have easily accessible but almost never used, besides PvP). |
| 07:07.48 | Amarande | Zorba: are there even any planned changes for Silithus? |
| 07:07.53 | Shirik | note to self: Opening a 1.1GB log file can take down your server |
| 07:08.06 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I couldn't say |
| 07:08.24 | Amarande | Shirik: I think that falls under the "setting cornflakes on fire" level of fail :| |
| 07:08.27 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, I imagine there's something - at the very least rejiggering of quests |
| 07:08.34 | Thrae | Shift+Hotkey == Bash, Hotkey == FFF then Bash, reset after 6 seconds. It would add an extra key, but I'm tired of literally mashing two keys, maybe three. |
| 07:11.10 | Amarande | I'm still waiting for the professions preview. :S |
| 07:11.53 | ZorbaTHut | I'm curious what they'll do with the blacksmith sockets |
| 07:12.30 | ZorbaTHut | it seems odd to require northrend mats for endgame cataclysm raiding, but it also seems odd to make another pattern that is identical except for using different mats (though I suppose they've done it before) |
| 07:13.26 | Amarande | "Basically there have been Highborne (night elf mages) in the ruins of Eldre'Thalas for centuries, since ancient times. They have recently returned to Darnassus because they fear a change is coming, and wish to train new night elf mages." |
| 07:13.35 | Amarande | hmm, Shen'dralar might become a faction that actually means something? |
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| 07:13.42 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, not a chance |
| 07:13.57 | ZorbaTHut | they'll make a new faction, if anything. |
| 07:24.29 | Amarande | "Southshore has been destroyed by tsunami!" |
| 07:24.35 | Amarande | wonders how Halloween is going to be changed |
| 07:28.22 | Gnarfoz | I'd say something along of "do you like the sound of your voice much?" but this is IRC |
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| 07:34.44 | Amarande | :P |
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| 08:13.13 | Shirik | ok these guys are awesome: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Guard_Riders |
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| 08:25.19 | jnwhiteh | Alright guys. If anyone needs me for the next two weeks, please email me directly. I won't be here, and I won't be available via any other means because I'm going to be in the hospital and I don't know what sort of access I will have to anything. I'm @gmail.com and will try to get around to checking my email every other day or so, depending on what they let me have in my room. |
| 08:26.09 | sylvanaar | good luck jnwhiteh |
| 08:26.33 | jnwhiteh | Thank you |
| 08:26.48 | jnwhiteh | should be fine, just a bit unnerving having surgery so close to my brain =) |
| 08:27.31 | sylvanaar | what are you having done again? |
| 08:27.50 | jnwhiteh | having a tumour removed from my pituitary gland |
| 08:28.55 | sylvanaar | having it done in the UK? |
| 08:29.00 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 08:29.08 | jnwhiteh | great surgeon and endocrine team, thankfully |
| 08:31.36 | Corrodias | well shit, good luck |
| 08:31.39 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 08:31.42 | Shirik | you're in the UK |
| 08:31.49 | Shirik | never can trust those guys |
| 08:32.05 | jnwhiteh | eh |
| 08:32.07 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 08:32.12 | Shirik | I mean, they came up with a unit of currency using the same name as a unit of weight |
| 08:32.28 | jnwhiteh | a non-metric unit of weight :P |
| 08:32.48 | sylvanaar | they used to hvae pounds, pennies and pence or something like that |
| 08:32.58 | sylvanaar | the pricess were 2,4,22 |
| 08:33.38 | nevcairiel | its like gold, silver, copper! |
| 08:33.42 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 08:35.09 | sylvanaar | yeah lol, Prior to decimalisation, the pound was divided into 20 shillings and each shilling into 12 pence, making 240 pence to the pound. |
| 08:35.22 | nevcairiel | actually pence is just the plural of penny |
| 08:35.51 | nevcairiel | ah yeah shilling was the other one |
| 08:36.01 | nevcairiel | but its gone quite a while :d |
| 08:36.07 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 08:36.11 | nevcairiel | well, 60's anyway |
| 08:36.39 | sylvanaar | i just saw it in old catalogs when i was kid - i was like what is that wierd price |
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| 08:38.37 | sylvanaar | oh and the stone |
| 08:38.42 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 08:38.46 | jnwhiteh | they still use stone ehre |
| 08:38.50 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 08:39.03 | sylvanaar | scales that go from 1-20 are wierd |
| 08:39.03 | jnwhiteh | the damn Imperialetric system =) |
| 08:39.20 | jnwhiteh | indeed. |
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| 08:44.04 | Kaso | Are there still problems with EU login? |
| 08:44.22 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/fapfapfap.jpg |
| 08:44.29 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/mc_donalds_shit_bricks.jpg |
| 08:45.10 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/bathroomline.jpg |
| 08:45.23 | Kanedra | Apparently so, Kaso. But not for everyone, so it seems |
| 08:45.57 | Kanedra | Meh, some prot paladin is requesting my PuG-raid kick because I use cloth gear as a holy paladin |
| 08:45.58 | Kanedra | win. |
| 08:46.09 | Wobin | jnwhiteh, good luck! Things will go well! |
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| 08:49.25 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/mosh.jpg |
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| 08:50.57 | Wobin | You can tell a Wella man, by the way he wears his hair |
| 08:51.47 | Wobin | http://www.teefury.com/index.php |
| 08:51.51 | Wobin | oh man, SPIDERPIG |
| 09:15.58 | Fisker | wobin |
| 09:17.01 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 09:17.27 | Shirik | I wish I had an angel for one moment of love. |
| 09:17.51 | Shirik | I wish I had your angel your Virgin Mary undone |
| 09:18.35 | Shirik | I'm in love with my lust burning angel wings to dust I wish I had your angel tonight |
| 09:21.46 | Shirik | eir disappeared again, wtf |
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| 09:24.15 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:24.23 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 09:28.15 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 09:28.27 | Shirik | feeds Fisker to Cairenn|afk |
| 09:29.33 | Shirik | sleeps |
| 09:46.25 | Fisker | is there an addon that can make all my spells assist a certain person instead of having to write macros all the time? ;3 |
| 10:01.06 | Zyn | 10:49.24 ( mikma ) http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/mosh.jpg |
| 10:01.12 | Zyn | suddenly, Kabuki Quantum Fighter D: |
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| 10:36.48 | haste | Fisker: most likely not, as the add-no would have to touch every single secure button in the UI to achieve it |
| 10:38.56 | nevcairiel | in theory bartender could do it, but its not configurable |
| 10:39.25 | nevcairiel | its only setup to assist your target |
| 10:49.35 | foxlit | eek. |
| 10:49.44 | foxlit | GetCursorInfo() returns nil while dragging pet skills |
| 10:57.05 | foxlit | So how do I, er, figure out that they're on the cursor? |
| 10:57.25 | foxlit | Could track pick ups, but that seems annoying. |
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| 11:21.38 | mikma | iPad unboxing porn - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UciKe5EbjqQ |
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| 11:24.04 | nevcairiel | i really wonder why anyone would want that thing |
| 11:24.13 | nevcairiel | its too bulky to carry it around with you all the time |
| 11:24.27 | haste | nevcairiel: it's a bulky board game machine! |
| 11:24.35 | nevcairiel | and like he said, its a giant ipod :P |
| 11:24.38 | mikma | :D |
| 11:24.41 | mikma | ipaaaad |
| 11:24.47 | mikma | "would you look at that, a typoooo" |
| 11:24.47 | haste | "oh look at that, a typo" :D |
| 11:25.17 | mikma | "that's what she said!" 'what?' "nothing!" |
| 11:25.18 | nevcairiel | haste: http://sites.google.com/a/virtualshackles.com/omg/1-1/ipad_scrabble.jpg |
| 11:25.19 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 11:25.44 | haste | :D |
| 11:25.55 | haste | but think tho', a large tablet PC would be great for board games |
| 11:26.02 | Kanedra | Yeah |
| 11:26.04 | haste | large and thin |
| 11:26.05 | Kanedra | Warcraft 3 |
| 11:26.06 | Kanedra | is win |
| 11:26.15 | Kanedra | I played Warcraft 3 on a Microsoft Surface once |
| 11:26.17 | nevcairiel | warcraft 3 is a board game now? |
| 11:26.22 | Kanedra | oh. |
| 11:26.22 | Kanedra | :( |
| 11:26.23 | nevcairiel | someone mustve redefined it |
| 11:26.26 | Kanedra | Nah, never mind! |
| 11:26.42 | mikma | 'pod..' "pad" 'pod..' "pad!" |
| 11:26.56 | nevcairiel | its a giant freaking ipod ladies! |
| 11:27.25 | nevcairiel | haha, no camera, no multitask, no porn |
| 11:29.06 | nevcairiel | but seriously, if i wanted a tablet pc, i would get something x86, or possibly even ARM, but at least open enough to run the OS of my choice |
| 11:29.18 | mikma | Nokia N900 ;) |
| 11:29.23 | Kanedra | Yeah |
| 11:29.27 | Kanedra | I'd go for ARM as well. |
| 11:29.28 | nevcairiel | thats a nokia |
| 11:29.43 | nevcairiel | also its not a tablet pc |
| 11:29.48 | haste | anyone have the iPad vs the HP touch screen from 2003? |
| 11:30.03 | haste | http://www.blameitonthevoices.com/2010/01/ipad-vs-hp-tc1100.html this :D |
| 11:30.12 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt call my milestone a tablet pc :d |
| 11:30.38 | haste | I did mean table and not touch screen actually :( |
| 11:30.40 | haste | minor typo! |
| 11:31.10 | nevcairiel | thats just gold haste |
| 11:31.22 | Kanedra | LOL |
| 11:31.23 | Kanedra | haste |
| 11:31.34 | nevcairiel | reminds me of http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3073/2890589628_906cfe7f63.jpg |
| 11:31.51 | haste | :D |
| 11:32.00 | haste | in unrelated news! |
| 11:32.09 | industrial | 'you forgot multi touch' <-- seriously whats the added value of this on an OS when you want to launch apps etc? I just dont get it :( hype? |
| 11:32.10 | haste | phoronix is starting to annoy me |
| 11:32.10 | Kanedra | hahahaha |
| 11:32.13 | Kanedra | nevcairiel :p |
| 11:32.50 | haste | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE0MA take a look at this article :V |
| 11:33.01 | nevcairiel | but its true, the iPad is so freaking limited, i wouldnt even open the box if i accidentally got one |
| 11:33.13 | nevcairiel | just resell to some blind guy that wont see the deficits |
| 11:33.13 | haste | the title of it makes you believe it wouldn't be about the shitty PTS |
| 11:33.38 | haste | and the firt paragraph that shows up in the rss |
| 11:34.26 | nevcairiel | i have been wondering how feasible it would be to at least select hardware support based on the lspci automatically |
| 11:35.14 | haste | I thought it would |
| 11:35.23 | haste | or somethign similar to the debian web-app |
| 11:36.07 | haste | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ is actually slightly useful |
| 11:36.19 | nevcairiel | yeah i know that one |
| 11:36.51 | nevcairiel | combine that with lsusb et al, and you could generate a full hw kernel profile |
| 11:37.05 | haste | pondering if I should remove phoronix from GReader |
| 11:37.21 | nevcairiel | i still need a good rss app for my phone |
| 11:37.27 | nevcairiel | something that works with google reader |
| 11:37.29 | haste | nice for some software updates, but he always mentions PTS |
| 11:37.42 | haste | and he fails at linking outside phoronix |
| 11:37.51 | haste | it links to like 300 articles first |
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| 12:01.10 | foxlit | haste: http://www.blameitonthevoices.com/2010/01/ipad-vs-hp-tc1100.html this :D << It's bullshit, though |
| 12:01.56 | haste | possible |
| 12:03.06 | Corrodias | "you forgot to point out how good the software Apple will put on it is in comparison" |
| 12:03.15 | Corrodias | i'll believe it when i see Apple put out some good software |
| 12:04.24 | foxlit | Stuff like headphone plugs and video output is just plain wrong |
| 12:04.37 | olafski | they only mentioned the stuff the HP thing has but the apple doesn't, not the other way around |
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| 12:04.45 | foxlit | And then it does this selective feature listing ^ |
| 12:04.58 | nevcairiel | its still a crap device |
| 12:05.09 | nevcairiel | its a freaking big ipod |
| 12:05.12 | nevcairiel | nothing new |
| 12:05.12 | foxlit | Haven't seen one, so can't say. |
| 12:05.15 | nevcairiel | nothing innovative |
| 12:05.19 | Kanedra | I'd go for the iTablet |
| 12:05.50 | nevcairiel | but apple fanbois praise it like it was their new god |
| 12:06.03 | Kanedra | iTablet runs Windows 7 |
| 12:06.05 | Kanedra | :D |
| 12:06.09 | Kanedra | instant win |
| 12:06.35 | foxlit | There is, however, something to be said for freaking big ipods :) |
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| 12:07.47 | foxlit | Do Solid Stormjewels really sell for the prices people list them for? |
| 12:07.58 | Kanedra | nah |
| 12:08.02 | Kanedra | None of them are getting sold in here |
| 12:08.08 | Kanedra | listing them for 180g |
| 12:09.06 | Kanedra | omg |
| 12:09.17 | Kanedra | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeDalRBjyJo&feature=player_embedded |
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| 12:11.08 | foxlit | Incredibly strange |
| 12:11.23 | foxlit | On one hand, they show absolutely amazing framerates in video segments |
| 12:11.43 | foxlit | On the other, any kind of scrolling (photos, album covers) brings it to a 2fps crawl. |
| 12:12.41 | Kanedra | What, where? |
| 12:13.06 | Kanedra | In the video? |
| 12:13.06 | foxlit | 0:14, 0:18 |
| 12:13.17 | Kanedra | Oh right |
| 12:13.23 | Kanedra | Yeah, I was wondering about that too |
| 12:13.29 | Kanedra | It doesn't seem like a performance issue though |
| 12:13.33 | Kanedra | just a lack of animation |
| 12:14.01 | Kanedra | I .. want to know the name of the song though |
| 12:14.50 | nevcairiel | just get a xphone imho |
| 12:15.10 | nevcairiel | wonder if they have the promo in english too |
| 12:15.30 | Kanedra | This one is in English? |
| 12:15.38 | Kanedra | ohh |
| 12:15.39 | Kanedra | the xphone |
| 12:15.59 | Kanedra | Nah, my next mobile device will be a WM7 phone |
| 12:16.15 | nevcairiel | windows mobile is dead |
| 12:16.17 | nevcairiel | dont bother |
| 12:16.31 | foxlit | Conventions require getting j- through w-Phones first |
| 12:16.34 | Kanedra | What, no |
| 12:16.45 | Kanedra | It'll be a lot better ;p |
| 12:17.16 | nevcairiel | then wm6 maybe |
| 12:17.21 | nevcairiel | then other mobile OSes, no |
| 12:17.31 | Kanedra | WM7 <3 |
| 12:17.57 | nevcairiel | well its your wasted money :) |
| 12:18.04 | nevcairiel | It doesnt even run WM6 applications anymore |
| 12:18.29 | Kanedra | I'd be able to finally test my WM7 apps on a real device :) |
| 12:18.31 | nevcairiel | and they cut back on features to finally get it done |
| 12:18.44 | Kanedra | Instead of the silly emulator |
| 12:19.02 | teetow | well, that's almost universal by now, isn't it? |
| 12:19.08 | teetow | cutting features for the deadline, I mean |
| 12:19.23 | teetow | the iPhone clearly should have had multitasking out of the box |
| 12:19.54 | nevcairiel | If so, why did 4 generations of the OS not add it yet? |
| 12:20.05 | nevcairiel | apple has a weird idea of design |
| 12:20.15 | Kanedra | Bleh |
| 12:20.18 | Kanedra | Who needs multitasking anyway |
| 12:20.21 | Kanedra | when you have push notifications |
| 12:20.33 | Kanedra | I haven't missed multitasking a single bit |
| 12:20.35 | teetow | well, the obivous stuff are third-party media players and voip software |
| 12:20.44 | teetow | IM programs |
| 12:20.53 | nevcairiel | push notifications are an ugly work around |
| 12:20.58 | Kanedra | IM programs work fine with push notifications |
| 12:21.19 | nevcairiel | i like being able to switch around apps without them shutting down and restarting all the time |
| 12:21.43 | teetow | in Apple's defense though, their conservatism has been more of a benefit than many would admit |
| 12:22.00 | nevcairiel | in what way? |
| 12:22.00 | foxlit | nevcairiel: I think 4 implements that |
| 12:22.10 | teetow | well |
| 12:22.25 | foxlit | In a suspend-to-flash sort of way |
| 12:22.35 | nevcairiel | foxlit: another workaround, yay |
| 12:22.53 | teetow | you're correct in that many cases, you're fine with save-suspend-resume |
| 12:23.02 | teetow | like games, no need to have them actually RUNNING in the background |
| 12:23.06 | foxlit | Yay, indeed. Any particular reason you aren't happy with it? :) |
| 12:23.31 | nevcairiel | can i have my browser download a file and while its doing that, read an email? |
| 12:23.49 | foxlit | I'm not sure whether browsers download files in iLand. |
| 12:23.59 | teetow | they should =) |
| 12:24.05 | foxlit | But you can download a song while reading your email, sure |
| 12:24.07 | Kanedra | Time to start doing some sketchflow madness <3 |
| 12:24.09 | nevcairiel | or even load a page |
| 12:24.14 | nevcairiel | can take some time without 3G coverage |
| 12:24.44 | nevcairiel | when i get the email notification i usually switch to it instantly, when i'm waiting for a page to be loaded or so, anyway |
| 12:24.57 | nevcairiel | its nice having the page loaded when i get back to it :d |
| 12:25.26 | teetow | hence my original statement -- it should have been there from the start |
| 12:25.50 | teetow | with a clear set of best-practices for when to use it (or not) |
| 12:25.52 | nevcairiel | I just dont see any advantage in that design |
| 12:26.13 | teetow | only as far as forcing devs to re-evaulate whether they actually NEED it |
| 12:26.23 | teetow | but if the answer is a clear and unequivocal yes, then it should have been there. |
| 12:26.31 | teetow | is all I'm saying. |
| 12:26.43 | nevcairiel | apple forces you onto a very slim timeframe you have to actually save your data when the user wants to switch apps |
| 12:26.55 | foxlit | nevcairiel: maximizes the amount of memory/CPU available to the app you're currently in, basically. |
| 12:27.10 | nevcairiel | while on android it just backgrounds the app, send it the callback for "hey you moved to background" |
| 12:27.25 | nevcairiel | and if the task manager decides it needs more resources, it kills it gracefully |
| 12:27.43 | teetow | fair enough |
| 12:28.41 | nevcairiel | i guess a bad application can more easily degrade the performance of your android, but is it really the OSes problem to protect the user from any kind of badly written app? IMHO, its not |
| 12:29.00 | Kanedra | well |
| 12:29.03 | teetow | in Apple's view, it is. |
| 12:29.04 | Kanedra | android protects the user as well |
| 12:29.09 | foxlit | If your target market is developers it's not. |
| 12:29.17 | teetow | it goes along with their app store philosophy |
| 12:29.23 | foxlit | If your target market is people who do not want to do anything but use apps, it is. |
| 12:29.26 | nevcairiel | sure, the task manager on android will kill a app that uses too much resources in background as well |
| 12:29.30 | nevcairiel | just not instantly |
| 12:29.30 | Kanedra | Indeed |
| 12:29.36 | Kanedra | depends on the urgency |
| 12:29.46 | Kanedra | It'll kill it instantly if there's a core process that needs more priority |
| 12:30.14 | nevcairiel | there are knobs to turn to tweak those values |
| 12:30.19 | nevcairiel | requires root, though |
| 12:31.01 | Kanedra | Yeah |
| 12:32.54 | nevcairiel | My point just is, that the iPhone OS is too conservative, especially for an application like the iPad. Not sure what big changes come/came with 4.0 now (is that out yet?), but for me, it just limits me too much, as a user and developer - well until now more user. |
| 12:33.45 | nevcairiel | Also, i had to buy a mac to be able to write iPhone apps, which is just wrong in itself <.< |
| 12:44.20 | haste | made some awesome coffee today. |
| 12:53.55 | mikma | epic ending in assassin's creed 2. me likey. now, to find all the glyphs! |
| 12:58.53 | olafski | gg mikma :) |
| 12:59.06 | olafski | some of those glyph puzzles are seriously weird |
| 13:04.19 | mikma | i agree |
| 13:04.31 | mikma | some of them i just had to cheat and look reply from internets |
| 13:07.59 | Corrodias | so... what CAN ab ipad do? |
| 13:08.40 | Corrodias | *an |
| 13:09.16 | Corrodias | i realized i have no idea what people use this sort of thing for |
| 13:09.20 | mikma | exist |
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| 13:22.17 | foxlit | Corrodias: browse the internet in situations where you probably won't want to with a laptop |
| 13:22.46 | Corrodias | ah, like when you're on the toilet and have only one hand free! |
| 13:23.05 | nevcairiel | so you carry that huge ipad with you to the toilet? |
| 13:23.11 | nevcairiel | rather use my phone then :p |
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| 13:23.26 | foxlit | phone's screen is puny :) |
| 13:23.43 | nevcairiel | good enough to browse around |
| 13:24.12 | foxlit | It's possible, but you'd really want a larger screen. |
| 13:24.17 | Corrodias | but not good enough for the porn |
| 13:24.20 | foxlit | Reading wikipedia is a problem with all the scrolling, for instance. |
| 13:24.22 | nevcairiel | but not carry around it |
| 13:24.45 | nevcairiel | it arround* |
| 13:25.03 | foxlit | Perhaps places like busses |
| 13:25.36 | nevcairiel | I want a ebook reader with epaper display, even lighter and slimmer then the iPad |
| 13:25.44 | nevcairiel | some of those can browse and come with 3G too |
| 13:26.05 | foxlit | limits you to shades of gray? |
| 13:26.10 | Corrodias | what is epaper? |
| 13:26.21 | nevcairiel | a bendable display :D |
| 13:26.33 | Corrodias | ah, interesting, i suppose |
| 13:27.11 | nevcairiel | i think they have epaper in color now too |
| 13:27.36 | nevcairiel | the advantage being that it was made for reading |
| 13:27.58 | nevcairiel | easy on the eyes even after long reading |
| 13:29.26 | Kanedra | aaaah sketchflow |
| 13:30.18 | Kanedra | <3 |
| 13:36.04 | industrial | nevcairiel: does it have a touch interface? |
| 13:37.05 | nevcairiel | depends on the device, some do, some have some control interface thingy |
| 13:37.18 | nevcairiel | some even have a small keyboard to write stuff too |
| 13:45.06 | olafski | I think I saw a kindle in the train the other day.. remarkable, I had never seen epaper before |
| 13:45.26 | olafski | kind of a small screen to read books on imo but it did look just like paper |
| 13:45.43 | Kanedra | My mother bought one of them, when she went to Kenya |
| 13:45.53 | nevcairiel | a kindle is about the same size as a typical paperback |
| 13:49.53 | Kraps | a Buddhist twist on quitting WoW http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24262408127&sid=1 |
| 13:51.58 | olafski | hm true I guess nevcairiel.. its main use for me would be to read papers though |
| 13:54.21 | olafski | what a whiner kraps :P |
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| 15:11.29 | Cairenn|afk | mikma: rofl |
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| 15:23.42 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! | Please keep jnwhitehead in your thoughts that his surgery goes well. |
| 15:34.07 | Adys | Anyone knows of any library that can deal with tar, or any other multifile data compression? |
| 15:36.07 | cbreak | I use XADMaster from http://wakaba.c3.cx/s/apps/unarchiver.html |
| 15:36.14 | cbreak | it handles many many formats |
| 15:36.30 | Kanedra | Library? |
| 15:36.30 | nevcairiel | Adys: libtar? :d |
| 15:36.36 | Kanedra | For what language? >_> |
| 15:36.39 | Adys | nevcairiel: it's old and shitty |
| 15:36.43 | Adys | Kanedra: c++ |
| 15:36.55 | Kanedra | No, then ;p |
| 15:36.56 | Adys | nevcairiel: and apparently unused by most apps |
| 15:37.14 | cbreak | http://code.google.com/p/theunarchiver/wiki/XadMasterApiDocumentation, Objective-C |
| 15:37.30 | Adys | obj-c no good =\ |
| 15:37.45 | Kanedra | Objective-C is unfortunately further away from C than Python is :< |
| 15:38.06 | cbreak | nah |
| 15:38.18 | Kanedra | Or I just have a shitty implementation of it ;p |
| 15:38.18 | cbreak | Objective-C was even compiled to C by a preprocessor in the old days |
| 15:38.35 | Kanedra | Seriously? |
| 15:38.38 | cbreak | yeah |
| 15:38.39 | Kanedra | It looked like really difference |
| 15:38.45 | Kanedra | *different |
| 15:38.46 | cbreak | old days: like 10 to 15 years ago |
| 15:38.51 | zenzelezz | the syntax only Kanedra |
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| 15:39.10 | cbreak | Objective-C is closer to C than C++ is |
| 15:39.15 | Kanedra | Wow. |
| 15:39.38 | nevcairiel | Adys: libarchive? |
| 15:39.44 | nevcairiel | http://code.google.com/p/libarchive/ |
| 15:39.50 | cbreak | I also use http://bitbucket.org/kolpanic/zipkit/, but that's Objective-C too |
| 15:39.51 | Kraps | i have a friend that argues that the WoW portion of blizzard is carried completely by the creative design team, and i agree :p |
| 15:40.53 | Kanedra | I'd say that 7-zip has a library as well |
| 15:41.01 | Adys | 7zip is undocumented |
| 15:41.03 | nevcairiel | 7z is just lzma |
| 15:41.07 | cbreak | *grumble libPoco's a pain to compile* |
| 15:41.09 | Kanedra | No I mean, the whole application |
| 15:41.19 | Kanedra | 7-zip can handle almost anything |
| 15:41.20 | Adys | nevcairiel: lzma itself doesnt have file archiving |
| 15:41.32 | nevcairiel | thats why you use tar :d |
| 15:41.45 | Adys | looking at libarchive atm |
| 15:41.52 | Adys | (again) |
| 15:42.16 | nevcairiel | it at least is still being worked on |
| 15:43.00 | Kanedra | oh |
| 15:43.02 | Kanedra | yeah |
| 15:43.22 | Kanedra | the 7-zip library can do everything as well |
| 15:43.37 | Kanedra | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.59 | nevcairiel | it does install a 7z.so, but no header files or any other stuff |
| 15:46.02 | nevcairiel | its not meant to be reused |
| 15:46.10 | Adys | it does have a library |
| 15:46.18 | Adys | just completely undocumented |
| 15:46.32 | Kanedra | :< |
| 15:47.51 | Kanedra | there's this bunch of doc files though |
| 15:48.37 | Kanedra | oh, but only about the 7z archive |
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| 15:59.58 | nevcairiel | anyone recommend a good bittorrent client with a web GUI, without requirements for an actual graphical gui? |
| 16:00.24 | kd3 | deluge? |
| 16:00.55 | kd3 | http://deluge-torrent.org/ |
| 16:02.11 | nevcairiel | I'll try that, thanks |
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| 16:07.40 | Aznamir | hi all |
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| 16:16.46 | Kraps | does anyone here use chat roulette? |
| 16:18.44 | Aznamir | only people who like penises |
| 16:19.32 | Kraps | yeah whats up with that? |
| 16:21.05 | Trela | Pretty much a way for all the flashers that want to do it in public can do it publicly with out getting arrested. |
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| 17:00.02 | Adys | So for those interested and who ever need it |
| 17:00.18 | Adys | you can restart the wow sound engine by ticking Sound->Use Hardware off and on |
| 17:00.44 | zenzelezz | nice to know. Are you having sound trouble? |
| 17:00.49 | Adys | dies sometimes |
| 17:00.58 | Adys | recent PA update |
| 17:01.08 | zenzelezz | I remember in Anarchy Online sometimes my sound would get stuck, and I'd have to do the same to fix it |
| 17:09.00 | haste | switching card also works |
| 17:09.09 | haste | if you're insane and have multiple sound cards that is |
| 17:09.49 | nevcairiel | Adys: using the new wine PA engine or oss wrapper? |
| 17:16.47 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 17:17.26 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 17:17.57 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Fiskermagi <-see my awesome gear |
| 17:18.13 | tem|afk | Fisker, your gear/spec is all wrong |
| 17:18.28 | tem|afk | you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded |
| 17:18.45 | Fisker | thank you tem|afk |
| 17:18.53 | Fisker | i feel appreciate now |
| 17:19.02 | Fisker | +d |
| 17:22.15 | Fisker | but isn't my mage awesome haste ? |
| 17:22.18 | kd3 | huh. neat. the shuttle/station complex is flying directly over JSC in texax |
| 17:22.23 | kd3 | s/texax/texas/ |
| 17:22.39 | Adys | nevcairiel: no OSS on my comp |
| 17:23.19 | nevcairiel | you don't need OSS to use the oss wrapper PA provides for old applications =p |
| 17:23.36 | nevcairiel | padsp wine WoW.exe |
| 17:23.37 | nevcairiel | go! |
| 17:23.37 | Adys | kd3 |
| 17:23.44 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 17:23.53 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/bgs/WoWScrnShot_041110_202203.jpg |
| 17:24.15 | kd3 | grrr |
| 17:24.20 | Adys | hehe |
| 17:24.35 | nevcairiel | Adys: you need to heal more |
| 17:24.44 | Adys | i used evoc like 5 times |
| 17:24.48 | Adys | but had 3 pallies on my ass |
| 17:25.17 | Adys | well two pallies and a priest |
| 17:25.18 | Adys | whatever |
| 17:26.08 | Kanedra | Very nice |
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| 17:26.48 | Adys | I.. am... undyable! |
| 17:27.01 | zenzelezz | dyes Adys pink |
| 17:27.34 | Adys | "It has no effect!" |
| 17:27.36 | Kanedra | ... |
| 17:27.40 | Fisker | i want my sc2 collectors edition |
| 17:27.47 | Kanedra | You don't even have the highest honor gain |
| 17:27.47 | Kraps | the alliance has a "kill on sight" notice on you now. watch your back |
| 17:28.16 | Adys | the alliance you say? |
| 17:28.28 | Kanedra | Yes, it's all about the alliance |
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| 17:30.57 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/party_hard.gif !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111 |
| 17:36.46 | Kraps | http://forums.warhammeronline.com/warhammer/board/message?board.id=p2psupport&thread.id=15916&view=by_date_ascending&page=1 |
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| 17:40.34 | kd3 | oh man. I fear to imagine the hell being raised |
| 17:41.01 | Adys | pathetic |
| 17:41.32 | Kraps | its not the first time either |
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| 17:52.55 | Ruggiero | how would I go about making a library that needs to register for events? |
| 17:53.21 | Iriel | Likely you'd have it create a frame in lua, and use that |
| 17:53.41 | Iriel | If you're trying to make the library embeddable, just be sure the various instances can determine if they've collectively created it yet |
| 17:55.35 | Fisker | haste |
| 17:55.38 | Fisker | like my mage |
| 17:57.26 | Fisker | or i will dislike you |
| 17:58.09 | haste | the name sucks! |
| 17:58.27 | Fisker | no :( |
| 17:58.30 | Fisker | also |
| 17:58.33 | Fisker | cool pants amirite? |
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| 18:14.40 | Fisker | amirite haste ? |
| 18:15.33 | haste | the name drags the pants down man! |
| 18:22.16 | Thunder_Child | i dont want to hear anything about draging Fisker's pants down. |
| 18:22.48 | Adys | dragging* |
| 18:22.56 | Adys | or better yet, grabbing* |
| 18:24.23 | foxlit | Oh fs. I get regular fps dives from OnUpdate handlers |
| 18:24.51 | Fisker | give me a better name then haste :( |
| 18:24.56 | Fisker | I'm making it BE probably |
| 18:24.59 | Fisker | if i bother playing it to 80 |
| 18:27.57 | Thunder_Child | Boned |
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| 18:28.58 | Fisker | 5 levels left though |
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| 18:29.35 | zenzelezz | tickles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:29.52 | Lopeppeppy | hi hi |
| 18:31.42 | Kraps | hey pepsi |
| 18:31.57 | olafski | oh dear kraps |
| 18:31.58 | Lopeppeppy | zactly what I'm drinking! |
| 18:32.03 | olafski | that's some seriously messed up billing at WAR :P |
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| 18:35.53 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:36.53 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, handsome. |
| 18:37.03 | olafski | hi |
| 18:37.13 | zenzelezz | http://dailysquee.com/2010/04/11/cute-baby-animal-they-match/ |
| 18:39.48 | Kraps | zenzelezz: i was about to ask how many sites those guys have |
| 18:39.54 | Kraps | http://cheezburger.com/sites :/ |
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| 19:04.57 | L4x4t0r | Hi everyone |
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| 19:05.51 | L4x4t0r | I have a question |
| 19:06.01 | L4x4t0r | Do you know a function to test the distance ? |
| 19:06.16 | olafski | "the distance"? |
| 19:06.34 | L4x4t0r | yes |
| 19:06.38 | L4x4t0r | it's for a macro |
| 19:06.45 | L4x4t0r | for not spamming a tchnique |
| 19:06.52 | L4x4t0r | like "I am kicking the mob x" |
| 19:06.54 | olafski | ... distance between what and what :P |
| 19:07.00 | L4x4t0r | Me and and mob |
| 19:07.11 | L4x4t0r | lady pulled :s |
| 19:07.13 | olafski | there, now we're getting closer to a real question :P |
| 19:07.15 | doc-saintly | Wow that was painful to watch @.@ |
| 19:07.26 | haste | THE DISTANCE! |
| 19:08.29 | olafski | well at least he asked his question without being told to ;) |
| 19:10.10 | Thunder_Child | i tought you couldnt get distance other than the 'in range out of range of abilites' hack |
| 19:10.22 | foxlit | Which would work in this case |
| 19:10.33 | Kraps | meanies :( |
| 19:11.04 | haste | do we know what the case is yet foxlit :p ? |
| 19:11.17 | foxlit | haste: sure, action bars have to show feedback somehow. |
| 19:11.27 | foxlit | Just check whether you're in range to kick. |
| 19:11.35 | haste | L4x4t0r saids macro tho' |
| 19:11.37 | foxlit | Lousy solution, though |
| 19:11.42 | haste | so it depends on what he wants to do based on it |
| 19:11.54 | L4x4t0r | for example |
| 19:12.00 | L4x4t0r | (I was in fight) |
| 19:12.19 | L4x4t0r | "/run local s="Tricks of the Trade" if GetSpellCooldown(s)==0 and IsUsableSpell(s) then SendChatMessage ("Tricks of the Trade","WHISPER",nil, "Imperfection"); end |
| 19:12.33 | L4x4t0r | But I want to test the distance between me and the target |
| 19:12.48 | L4x4t0r | (to avoid flood while spamming my macro ^^) |
| 19:13.06 | olafski | dunno about distance.. but if you're going to make Tricks of the Trade a variable, may as well use that variable in the sendchatmessage part ;) |
| 19:13.08 | foxlit | The proper solution is to get an addon to send the notification /after/ you've done the ability |
| 19:13.22 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.30 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 19:13.35 | olafski | that does seem like a better solution yes ;) |
| 19:13.40 | foxlit | But yes, you can throw in an "Am I in range to do that?" check in there too. |
| 19:14.00 | foxlit | IsSpellInRange or something of the sort |
| 19:14.09 | L4x4t0r | thanks |
| 19:14.27 | L4x4t0r | The better website to seek this kind of function is wowwiki ? |
| 19:14.31 | L4x4t0r | or you know another one ? |
| 19:14.39 | olafski | wowprogramming |
| 19:14.42 | L4x4t0r | Nice |
| 19:14.43 | olafski | !api IsSpellInRange |
| 19:14.43 | L4x4t0r | thanks alot |
| 19:14.44 | lua_bot | IsSpellInRange: Returns whether the player is in range to cast a spell on a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsSpellInRange) |
| 19:16.15 | doc-saintly | If you try to get an item link twice in a row, does the second retrieval yield a slightly different link? |
| 19:18.19 | foxlit | Generally, no. |
| 19:25.35 | Fisker | haste |
| 19:25.49 | Fisker | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/147827287cc25686b6659e63cb4d37d9.jpg <-lich king |
| 19:25.52 | Fisker | the new one |
| 19:26.22 | haste | :D |
| 19:30.47 | DWSR | Fisker: Did you get him down on heroic? |
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| 19:34.09 | Cide | hi |
| 19:34.22 | zenzelezz | ohai |
| 19:34.26 | haste | thar |
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| 19:37.38 | Vilkku | sorry to ask for help like this, but if someone could take a look at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9548-EnhancedBloodlust.html I'd appriciate it a lot |
| 19:37.59 | zenzelezz | that's doesn't tell us what you need help with |
| 19:38.09 | Vilkku | yeah sorry, we engaged a mob |
| 19:38.13 | Vilkku | playing at the same time :< |
| 19:38.43 | Fisker | naw DWSR we're still doing normal DWSR |
| 19:38.46 | Fisker | 25 man of course |
| 19:38.57 | Vilkku | okey, the issue: music starts but then pretty much instantly stops again |
| 19:39.02 | Vilkku | worked fine when I did a test alone |
| 19:39.11 | Vilkku | so I guess it is some other buff or something running out |
| 19:39.14 | Vilkku | or someone else casting BL |
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| 19:50.22 | Vilkku | meh, disced |
| 19:50.35 | Vilkku | any messages after xx:40? |
| 19:50.47 | zenzelezz | afraid not |
| 19:50.47 | doc-saintly | Vilkku: no |
| 19:50.54 | Vilkku | kk |
| 19:51.05 | Vilkku | do you know if the game can stop music you started from playing? |
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| 19:56.55 | Kraps | anyone seen The Fugitive Chronicles? |
| 19:57.46 | Kraps | besides the voiceover for the fugitive being hammy, its pretty good |
| 20:01.26 | DWSR | Vilkku: Win addon, btw. |
| 20:01.41 | DWSR | WTB TAKFAL80ETC jukebox addon. |
| 20:01.55 | DWSR | Whenever you're in combat, it plays a random TAFKAL80ETC song. |
| 20:02.33 | Thunder_Child | it's L85 now |
| 20:02.47 | DWSR | No it's not. |
| 20:02.52 | DWSR | It's TAFKAL. |
| 20:02.54 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 20:03.02 | DWSR | L2Blizzcon, nubbin. |
| 20:03.16 | DWSR | They got sick of changing their name every expansion. |
| 20:03.40 | Thunder_Child | yes, because one number is horrible |
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| 20:04.43 | Vilkku | "For some reason, during most (but not all) raid encounters the music played will suddenly stop." |
| 20:04.50 | Vilkku | <_< |
| 20:05.15 | foxlit | I question the L |
| 20:05.28 | zenzelezz | L? |
| 20:05.43 | DWSR | "The Artist Formerly Known As Level 80 Elite Tauren Chieftains" |
| 20:05.48 | DWSR | TAFKAL80ETC |
| 20:06.04 | foxlit | see that's what happens when you randomly read a line |
| 20:06.11 | foxlit | like so: "DWSR: It's TAFKAL." |
| 20:07.02 | DWSR | foxlit: l2scrollback |
| 20:07.10 | foxlit | DWSR: no! |
| 20:07.13 | DWSR | DEATH WILL RISE FROM THE SKIES |
| 20:07.14 | DWSR | I AM MURLOC! |
| 20:07.15 | foxlit | never! |
| 20:07.24 | DWSR | and yes I butchered that on purpose. |
| 20:07.40 | Lopeppeppy | grrrrmrglmrglmrgl? |
| 20:08.20 | DWSR | Yes |
| 20:08.21 | Fisker | omfg DWSR |
| 20:08.22 | Fisker | fucking win |
| 20:08.32 | DWSR | btw. |
| 20:08.54 | DWSR | Can you not just put all of the ETC songs as mp3s in a directory somewhere and call them using PlaySoundFile? |
| 20:09.10 | foxlit | There's no good recording of some of them. |
| 20:09.33 | DWSR | You seem to be confusing good and mp3 as not being mutually exclusive. |
| 20:10.22 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 20:10.25 | DWSR | WTF @ this addon. |
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| 20:10.47 | Vilkku | DWSR, this addon being my addon? :< |
| 20:10.56 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 20:11.07 | DWSR | Dude, just listen for self has gained bloodlust in the combat log. |
| 20:11.08 | DWSR | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/135158 |
| 20:11.14 | DWSR | There's no need to check for combat. |
| 20:11.27 | DWSR | If I want to rock out with the TAFKAL80ETC in Dalaran, that's cool. |
| 20:11.44 | Vilkku | k |
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| 20:12.02 | Vilkku | just figured I didn't want it to listen to the combat log events all the time, but I guess it makes sense |
| 20:12.06 | Vilkku | any other major wtfs? |
| 20:12.23 | olafski | I'd call that a preference, not a major wtf ;) |
| 20:12.37 | Adys | auth code 900000 \o/ |
| 20:12.43 | DWSR | Can't you just run s/PlayMusic/PlaySoundFile/ on lines 74, 77? |
| 20:12.50 | DWSR | Adys: It's over 9000! |
| 20:13.06 | Vilkku | DWSR, PlaySoundFile cannot be stopped, but I guess I just have to accept that as PlayMusic won't work |
| 20:13.34 | DWSR | Vilkku: So provide a 30 second clip of the BL sound and a clip of the beginning spiel. |
| 20:13.41 | DWSR | I can chop the audio for you if you want. |
| 20:13.43 | Vilkku | yep, that's what I'm thinking |
| 20:13.48 | Vilkku | can do it myself, np |
| 20:13.50 | Vilkku | thanks tho |
| 20:14.02 | DWSR | Keep the full length original in there, though |
| 20:14.07 | Vilkku | yeah ofc |
| 20:14.14 | DWSR | Hrm. |
| 20:14.40 | DWSR | Also, Vilkku, if you use PlaySoundFile, you don't need to adjust the user's audio settings, further simplifying your addon. |
| 20:14.46 | olafski | won't the tauren chieftains mind if you use this in your addon? |
| 20:14.52 | DWSR | olafski: I doubt it. |
| 20:15.03 | DWSR | olafski: Do they have an actual CD? |
| 20:15.51 | olafski | do you need to have a cd to copyright music? :s |
| 20:15.58 | olafski | or was that just a general wondering ;) |
| 20:16.06 | Vilkku | the music file in in the game tho :P |
| 20:16.12 | DWSR | ^ |
| 20:16.25 | DWSR | Vilkku: If the sound file's in the game, why are you providing a copy? |
| 20:16.43 | Shirik | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7094310.ece |
| 20:16.45 | Shirik | wow. |
| 20:16.53 | Adys | what is .ece? |
| 20:16.53 | Vilkku | that is a damn good question :P the previous version used PlaySoundFile for the short version and PlayMusic for the long one |
| 20:16.54 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 20:16.55 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 20:17.02 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:17.18 | DWSR | Shirik: You + link = fail. |
| 20:17.20 | DWSR | Always. |
| 20:17.52 | olafski | vilkku: oh, ok :) |
| 20:19.05 | Adys | nice biased picture of dawkins in the article |
| 20:19.25 | Adys | they could have given him red eyes too |
| 20:19.29 | olafski | mm one char on a new realm and I'll be able to afford epic flying at 77 :D |
| 20:21.06 | DWSR | Vilkku: Additionally, WTB all of the ETC songs. |
| 20:21.18 | Vilkku | heh |
| 20:21.25 | DWSR | So that I can rock out to Rogues Do It From Behind and I Am Murloc |
| 20:22.01 | Vilkku | I think that would be a separate mod :P I want this to be as simple as possible, and this song is kinda tied together with the shaman since wc3 |
| 20:22.07 | Vilkku | well at least the start |
| 20:22.41 | DWSR | yeah, I know. |
| 20:22.43 | DWSR | I might write one. |
| 20:23.26 | DWSR | Anyone here used/knows about the Samsung Corby Pro? |
| 20:23.31 | DWSR | I'm looking at getting that as a new phone |
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| 20:24.24 | Adys | get a nokia |
| 20:26.26 | Shirik | lmao |
| 20:26.29 | Shirik | fuck targetted advertising |
| 20:26.33 | Shirik | Iriel / Thunder_Child: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e4871374bc7be27e83856a178b5ad749.png |
| 20:26.52 | DWSR | Adys: Why? |
| 20:27.19 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: do you have 7K hanging around? |
| 20:27.20 | DWSR | Adys: Also, which model? |
| 20:27.23 | Shirik | lol no |
| 20:27.33 | Shirik | I barely could afford the 200mm |
| 20:27.41 | Kanedra | what is this 10.1.1.71.4660.pdf?:p |
| 20:27.44 | Thunder_Child | it is very sexy however |
| 20:28.05 | Adys | DWSR: any of them, nokia is to smartphones what nvidia is to graphics cards |
| 20:28.10 | Adys | better than the competition |
| 20:28.16 | Kanedra | HTC is doing a fine job |
| 20:28.19 | Kanedra | lately |
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| 20:28.29 | Adys | yeah HTC as well but thats because they're ebuttbuddies with google |
| 20:28.32 | Iriel | Nokia really pissed me off |
| 20:28.32 | DWSR | Kanedra: Which HTC models do you recommend? |
| 20:28.43 | Iriel | By going from 'awesome sauce' to 'lame slow overburdened crap' |
| 20:28.45 | Kanedra | HTC Legend, right now. |
| 20:28.46 | Adys | and google tends to plague everyone they touch with the Disease of Awesome |
| 20:29.06 | Iriel | But I'm aware that 90% of that could be the broken US cell phone market. |
| 20:29.15 | Kanedra | HTC Legend is made of win, seriously. |
| 20:29.24 | DWSR | Kanedra: :( Can only get the Drea, Magic + and Touch. |
| 20:29.36 | kd3 | isn't the desire the brand new one? |
| 20:29.38 | kd3 | that's the one I want |
| 20:29.50 | DWSR | Iriel: Yeah. Canada's worse though |
| 20:30.09 | Kanedra | HTC Desire is very good as well |
| 20:30.12 | Kanedra | Uh |
| 20:30.26 | Kanedra | Dream, Magic, and Touch>? |
| 20:30.30 | DWSR | Magic+. |
| 20:30.30 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 20:30.59 | DWSR | Kanedra: Canada's cell providers are......fucking awful, to put it lightly. |
| 20:31.01 | Kanedra | Get the Magic+ then. |
| 20:31.35 | Kanedra | I would never go for the touch, and the Magic+ is far more 'neat' as compared to the Dream |
| 20:31.40 | Kanedra | For one, I currently have the dream. |
| 20:31.48 | Kanedra | How so, DWSR? |
| 20:32.07 | DWSR | Kanedra: You don't want to know what I pay per month for cell service. |
| 20:32.21 | Kanedra | Well, expected or not, I really do now ;p |
| 20:32.34 | Vilkku | DWSR, does the offer of you cropping the music file for me still stand? :P |
| 20:32.40 | Vilkku | I don't seem to have audacity installed |
| 20:32.42 | DWSR | Vilkku: A bit tougher than you thought? :P |
| 20:32.43 | DWSR | Ah/ |
| 20:32.45 | DWSR | Yeah, I can. |
| 20:32.49 | DWSR | You want fades on the 40s clip? |
| 20:32.52 | DWSR | err, 30s, right? |
| 20:32.58 | Kanedra | What do you pay each month for your cell service? ;o |
| 20:32.59 | Vilkku | 40s actually |
| 20:33.02 | Vilkku | 30% for 40s :P |
| 20:33.03 | Vilkku | anyway |
| 20:33.11 | DWSR | Kanedra: >$120. |
| 20:33.16 | Kanedra | ... |
| 20:33.18 | Kanedra | what the hell |
| 20:33.19 | Vilkku | could you have it full volume for the 40 secs and then have a short fade after that? |
| 20:33.22 | Kanedra | How much do you call? |
| 20:33.48 | Kanedra | Or text, for that |
| 20:33.56 | DWSR | I get: 5 person call circle, 125 texts, 350 minutes, unlimited incoming. |
| 20:34.04 | Kanedra | ... |
| 20:34.07 | Kanedra | Are you |
| 20:34.09 | DWSR | Oh, and call ID, voicemail. |
| 20:34.12 | Kanedra | shitting me? |
| 20:34.14 | DWSR | And call waiting. |
| 20:34.17 | DWSR | Kanedra: Nope. told you |
| 20:34.25 | Kanedra | (For one, that's around 25 euros per month here) |
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| 20:34.35 | Kanedra | (Should be around 35 dollar :() |
| 20:34.38 | Cidwel | hi all |
| 20:34.49 | amro | ~lart Fisker |
| 20:34.49 | purl | whacks Fisker upside the head |
| 20:34.54 | Kanedra | You have to pay extra for caller ID, voicemail / incoming calls? |
| 20:35.03 | DWSR | unlimited incoming calls, yes. |
| 20:35.11 | Kanedra | Those things are always free here |
| 20:35.21 | DWSR | It's not the ability to receive them, but I pay a flat rate no matter whether or not the call is long distance. |
| 20:35.32 | Kanedra | Aaaaaaah |
| 20:35.33 | Kanedra | That. |
| 20:35.39 | DWSR | And yeah, CID and voicemail and call waiting are all not free. |
| 20:35.45 | Kanedra | That's insane. |
| 20:35.49 | Kanedra | Move to Europe, seriously |
| 20:35.58 | Kanedra | :( |
| 20:36.07 | DWSR | Even if I moved to the states, I can pay $100 flat and get unlimited everything all the time. |
| 20:36.21 | Kanedra | You could get that for 50$ here :+ |
| 20:36.25 | Kanedra | So.. |
| 20:36.26 | DWSR | yep |
| 20:36.26 | Kanedra | in like |
| 20:36.28 | Kanedra | 8 months |
| 20:36.31 | Kanedra | You'll have the ticket |
| 20:36.39 | Kanedra | *plane ticket |
| 20:36.47 | Kanedra | And from then on, it's just pure profit. |
| 20:36.58 | Kanedra | You can live with me, if you want |
| 20:37.19 | Kanedra | Nah, but in all seriousness, that's insane. |
| 20:37.33 | Kanedra | Is there any reason why it is so.. expensive? |
| 20:37.40 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 20:37.56 | DWSR | Canada has 3 national providers. |
| 20:38.01 | DWSR | Telus, Bell, and Rogers. |
| 20:38.08 | DWSR | Rogers is the only GSM provider currently. |
| 20:38.19 | DWSR | Bell owns all of the infrastructure. |
| 20:38.32 | DWSR | And the country is absolutely massive and sparsely populated. |
| 20:38.39 | DWSR | 2nd largest country in the world, less population than Germany. |
| 20:39.34 | DWSR | You don't want to see my internet bill. |
| 20:39.44 | DWSR | $60 for a 5/1 with a 60GB cap. |
| 20:39.51 | DWSR | monthly. |
| 20:40.06 | Vilkku | ouch |
| 20:40.08 | olafski | jebus |
| 20:40.12 | Kanedra | :( |
| 20:40.17 | Kanedra | I mean |
| 20:40.20 | Kanedra | Is that even legal? |
| 20:40.32 | Kanedra | I mean, that sounds like illegal >_> |
| 20:40.36 | olafski | I won't hurt you by telling you my rates ;) |
| 20:40.38 | DWSR | You'd think. |
| 20:40.59 | DWSR | Canada's government recently deregulated the industry, so tons of discount providers are now in business. |
| 20:41.16 | amro | $60 canadian |
| 20:41.17 | DWSR | The prices have gone down recently, but plenty of people are stuck using national carriers because we're not in an urban center. |
| 20:41.24 | amro | that's like 12 bucks once you remove TVA |
| 20:41.39 | DWSR | amro: TVA uses USD? |
| 20:41.46 | Kanedra | WOW |
| 20:41.54 | Kanedra | http://www.rogers.com/web/link/hispeedBrowseFlowDefaultPlans |
| 20:41.56 | Kanedra | That is just insane |
| 20:42.00 | amro | I'm assuming the net subscriptions are taxed as heavily as everything else |
| 20:42.11 | DWSR | Oh, no idea. |
| 20:42.16 | Kanedra | Their ' Rogers Ultimate Internet' is 99.99 |
| 20:42.18 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 20:42.22 | Kanedra | And you can only use 175gb? |
| 20:42.23 | DWSR | 120GB cap for a 9/1. |
| 20:42.26 | DWSR | something like that. |
| 20:42.31 | Kanedra | 50/2, is this |
| 20:42.37 | DWSR | It's not. |
| 20:42.40 | Kanedra | uhuh |
| 20:42.41 | DWSR | Linespeed's not that high. |
| 20:42.42 | Kanedra | It says that ;p |
| 20:42.43 | nevcairiel | thats really expensive and a sucky offer, too |
| 20:42.45 | Kanedra | Yeah. |
| 20:42.50 | DWSR | Kanedra: That's what it says. |
| 20:42.53 | olafski | how much is $60 in eur? |
| 20:42.54 | DWSR | That's not what it *is*. |
| 20:42.58 | DWSR | olafski: Google. |
| 20:42.59 | Kanedra | Our internet connection uses 390gb per day. |
| 20:43.07 | Kanedra | Approximately |
| 20:43.08 | olafski | nm then |
| 20:43.16 | Kanedra | I'd not even survive half a day. |
| 20:43.23 | Kanedra | Around 40 euros, olafski ;p |
| 20:43.27 | olafski | I pay 10 euro a month for 100/100 and a 50GB upload limit/7 days.. no download limit |
| 20:43.34 | DWSR | mhm. |
| 20:43.35 | DWSR | SO |
| 20:43.39 | DWSR | Magic+, eh? |
| 20:43.42 | Kanedra | man :< |
| 20:43.44 | Kanedra | Yeah |
| 20:43.45 | DWSR | Hrm, expensive still. |
| 20:43.46 | Kanedra | Magic+ definitely |
| 20:43.47 | Kanedra | eh |
| 20:43.52 | Kanedra | Do you have an internet plan with that? >_> |
| 20:44.04 | Kraps | a TV show gets automatically better when it has a TV-MA rating :p |
| 20:44.17 | DWSR | Kanedra: Internet plan with what? My cell? |
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| 20:44.29 | DWSR | Do you mean data? |
| 20:44.42 | Kanedra | Yeah. |
| 20:45.24 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 20:45.39 | DWSR | Non smart phones unlimited data is $10/month. |
| 20:45.48 | DWSR | You want to see the data rates? |
| 20:45.52 | DWSR | This will make you gag. |
| 20:46.18 | Fisker | i'm ready to play |
| 20:46.30 | DWSR | Easy XT. |
| 20:46.39 | DWSR | http://www.rogers.com/web/Rogers.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=WLRS_Plans&category=data |
| 20:46.54 | DWSR | 5GB is $80/month. |
| 20:47.03 | Kanedra | ..... |
| 20:47.06 | Kanedra | no |
| 20:47.08 | Kanedra | fucking way |
| 20:47.17 | DWSR | yep |
| 20:47.41 | Vilkku | DWSR, I don't want to rush you, but you have an eta? |
| 20:47.49 | DWSR | Vilkku: Haven't started. |
| 20:47.51 | DWSR | Lemme do it quickly. |
| 20:48.00 | DWSR | 30s with a 3s fade out? |
| 20:48.05 | Vilkku | 40s |
| 20:48.16 | DWSR | mkay. |
| 20:48.20 | Vilkku | other than that, yeah, and again, much appriciated |
| 20:48.23 | DWSR | np |
| 20:49.41 | DWSR | Hrm. |
| 20:49.45 | DWSR | Have you got a copy of the sound file somewhere? |
| 20:50.00 | DWSR | I forgot I don't have WoW or an MPQ extractor currently on this computer? |
| 20:50.03 | DWSR | wtf is that? |
| 20:50.23 | Vilkku | DWSR, I'll send one over in a min |
| 20:51.52 | DWSR | ok |
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| 20:52.15 | DWSR | anyway, Kanedra, got any other suggestions for phones that are available from Rogers (seeing as you know where the site is :P)? |
| 20:53.53 | Vilkku | DWSR: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1089826/Sound/Music/ZoneMusic/DMF_L70ETC01.mp3 |
| 20:54.28 | Kanedra | Hah |
| 20:54.32 | Kanedra | I might have, after this ToC-25 |
| 20:54.37 | Kanedra | I'm currently solo healing it |
| 20:54.39 | DWSR | rofl |
| 20:54.40 | DWSR | Win |
| 20:54.41 | Kanedra | So I need to watch out a bit |
| 20:54.53 | DWSR | Paladin healer, I'm assuming? |
| 20:54.57 | Kanedra | Yeah ;p |
| 20:55.03 | DWSR | hehe |
| 20:55.05 | DWSR | Vilkku: Ok. |
| 20:55.08 | DWSR | I'll start after I listen to it. |
| 20:55.11 | DWSR | headbangs |
| 20:55.26 | Vilkku | :D |
| 20:56.51 | DWSR | On June 29, 2008 at the Worldwide Invitational in Paris, France, Level 70 Elite Tauren Chieftain performed "Power of the Horde", "Rogues Do it from Behind", "Terran Up the Night" (a new song), "Raise Some Hell" ( referring to Blizzard's newly announced development of Diablo III), and "I Am Murloc." After each song, the band "levelled up" twice before ending their set as Level 80 Elite Tauren Chief |
| 20:56.52 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 20:56.56 | DWSR | They leveled up. |
| 20:56.57 | DWSR | OP |
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| 20:59.52 | DWSR | http://www.wowwiki.com/Terran_Up_the_Night <-- Win @ Cultural references section |
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| 21:03.29 | kd3 | "friggin laser beams"? |
| 21:04.17 | Lopeppeppy | Pew pew!! |
| 21:07.03 | Vilkku | connection keep alive message. |
| 21:07.16 | mikma | attached to their friggin heads |
| 21:07.17 | Vilkku | freenode doesn't like me |
| 21:07.35 | Shirik | Cide |
| 21:07.39 | Shirik | we need to play moar games |
| 21:07.43 | Cide | yes |
| 21:07.52 | Cide | and code some c++ |
| 21:08.00 | Cide | I'm slacking |
| 21:08.05 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:08.10 | Shirik | finals are approaching, it's ok |
| 21:08.16 | Cide | 7 weeks |
| 21:08.25 | Shirik | 3 for me |
| 21:08.30 | Shirik | and I'm administering one next week |
| 21:08.44 | olafski | I really don't think you need to manually send those vilkku :o |
| 21:09.12 | Cide | so did they make the marauders' slow an upgrade? |
| 21:09.19 | DWSR | Vilkku: So, 40 seconds and then how much fade out, 3s worth? |
| 21:09.29 | Vilkku | olafski, guess not :P I guess what I really want to do is to find a server which I don't get booted from |
| 21:09.33 | Vilkku | that sound good DWSR |
| 21:09.35 | DWSR | k |
| 21:09.37 | Vilkku | Cide, yep they did |
| 21:09.41 | foxlit | Cide: yes. |
| 21:09.51 | Vilkku | (sorry for jumping on the discussion) |
| 21:09.52 | Shirik | Cide: Yes |
| 21:09.54 | Arrowmaster | Vilkku: what client are you using? |
| 21:09.57 | Cide | Cide: yes |
| 21:10.03 | foxlit | Cide: yes. |
| 21:10.07 | Shirik | I'm sorry ok I'm in 36 channels |
| 21:10.12 | Vilkku | Arrowmaster, mirc |
| 21:10.15 | Shirik | how am I supposed to keep up with all of them |
| 21:10.18 | Arrowmaster | and do you have a NAT between you and the internet? |
| 21:10.37 | Vilkku | I think my router has NAT enabled yes |
| 21:11.13 | Shirik | unless it's filled with magic pixie dust, it does NAT |
| 21:11.17 | Arrowmaster | i once set the tcp connection timeout too low on my router and kept getting kicked off one one irc network every 10 minutes |
| 21:11.36 | Vilkku | hmm |
| 21:11.47 | Shirik | cide, well, when? |
| 21:11.51 | Cide | soon |
| 21:11.51 | DWSR | Vilkku: I chopped a 45s section out of the middle. |
| 21:11.53 | DWSR | Works *way* better. |
| 21:11.57 | Cide | ~40m |
| 21:11.58 | Vilkku | I haven't touched any settings like that, but guess I could have a look |
| 21:11.58 | Shirik | � |
| 21:11.59 | Shirik | ok |
| 21:12.00 | DWSR | Just trying to get the fade to sit nicely. |
| 21:12.22 | Vilkku | DWSR, okey |
| 21:13.05 | Arrowmaster | i set it to 10 minutes, and i was only in one channel on that network and it wasnt very active so there was no activity on the tcp connection and the router would drop it every 10 minutes, i had to up the timeout so that the normal ping/pong messages the irc servers use for keepalive would keep the session active |
| 21:13.09 | foxlit | I'm surprised by the lack of people playing Random race. |
| 21:13.40 | Vilkku | Arrowmaster: I see |
| 21:20.00 | DWSR | http://www.mediafire.com/?atyizmyydjn |
| 21:20.09 | DWSR | bah. |
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| 21:20.22 | Vilkku | fffff |
| 21:20.27 | Vilkku | any messages since xx:13? |
| 21:20.28 | DWSR | fufufufufufufu! |
| 21:20.29 | DWSR | http://www.mediafire.com/?atyizmyydjn |
| 21:20.30 | DWSR | No |
| 21:21.06 | Shirik | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 21:21.15 | Vilkku | yeah DWSR, awesome |
| 21:21.22 | Vilkku | thanks :D |
| 21:21.25 | DWSR | npnp |
| 21:23.12 | mikma | lollol |
| 21:28.09 | Kraps | i love hulu |
| 21:30.44 | Shirik | I hate vevo |
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| 21:35.09 | Cide | I hate streaming tv show services that don't let europeans (or specifically swedes) in |
| 21:35.31 | Thunder_Child | i hate streaming show services that dont keep them out |
| 21:36.02 | Cide | you're hating something that doesn't exixst |
| 21:36.03 | foxlit | It's funny to see americans whine about region-restrictions in some youtube channels, though |
| 21:36.05 | Cide | exist |
| 21:38.43 | Arrowmaster | hulu hates me, it blocks me because of my OS |
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| 21:44.07 | Cide | as it should |
| 21:44.25 | Cide | pretty sure you can just change your user agent string manually though |
| 21:44.37 | Cide | since that's the only thing it can access |
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| 21:58.21 | DWSR | Cide: You think that's bad. |
| 21:58.28 | DWSR | You should see the number of sites that block Canadians. |
| 22:02.20 | Arrowmaster | Cide: i think it can get the OS and architecture through flash |
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| 22:04.16 | Cide | hmm possibly |
| 22:04.59 | foxlit | feed://www.wowinterface.com/rss/comments/author-40693.xml << boo? |
| 22:05.33 | foxlit | That latest entry is a bit weird |
| 22:07.36 | Beutju | is there a way to use the built in wow stopwatch with an addon? |
| 22:07.55 | Beutju | like having an addon start it |
| 22:09.57 | Seerah | Beutju: there are some functions listed here: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#uncategorized |
| 22:10.27 | Beutju | thank you |
| 22:11.55 | Seerah | Beutju: and you can see Blizzard's code from their TimeManager addon here: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 22:12.17 | Kraps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justified_%28TV_series%29 is pretty win |
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| 22:31.18 | Beutju | hm I cannot use /script Stopwatch_Toggle() when the stopwatch frame hasn't already shown - any idea how to solve this? |
| 22:32.17 | Beutju | ah loadondemand |
| 22:32.22 | Seerah | Check to see that the - yeah |
| 22:32.51 | Seerah | You can check to see if it's loaded, if not call LoadAddOn("Blizzard_TimeManager") when you want to use it. |
| 22:33.08 | Seerah | IsAddOnLoaded("Blizzard_TimeManager") |
| 22:34.44 | DWSR | GAH |
| 22:34.47 | DWSR | WOWPROGRAMMINg, GET OPENID |
| 22:34.48 | DWSR | KTHX |
| 22:36.10 | batrick | lol failid |
| 22:36.37 | tlund | in WIM, i do Whispers -> Filtering -> Edit Filter on a filter of type "Pattern". There is a nice big editbox in the center where I guess I am supposed to enter the patter, but it not clickable. Can anyone check this and let me know if I am just stupid? |
| 22:36.44 | Shirik | .............................. |
| 22:36.50 | Shirik | you just pinged me |
| 22:37.01 | Cide | Shirik: ping |
| 22:37.05 | Shirik | Cide: pong |
| 22:37.11 | Cide | did I also just ping you? |
| 22:37.17 | foxlit | Shirik: you ping on "stupid"? :) |
| 22:37.24 | Shirik | no, on "edit filter" |
| 22:37.43 | DWSR | tlund: No idea. |
| 22:38.04 | batrick | lolol |
| 22:38.17 | batrick | shirik is such a slave to wiki |
| 22:38.19 | Shirik | Cide: yes, die |
| 22:38.21 | Shirik | batrick: yes, die |
| 22:38.32 | batrick | rofffffle |
| 22:40.12 | DWSR | ~epic fail Shirik |
| 22:40.13 | purl | Shirik, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Shirik, you are that epic failure. |
| 22:40.41 | batrick | poor shirik |
| 22:40.53 | Cide | DWSR: there is a reason we have ~failrik |
| 22:41.05 | DWSR | Cide: Yes, but this is a much more spectacular fail. |
| 22:41.09 | DWSR | Hence the need for epic fail. |
| 22:42.30 | batrick | provoking and buffering the attacks of 4chan ... |
| 22:45.27 | Shirik | batrick |
| 22:45.28 | Shirik | check this out |
| 22:45.48 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Shirk |
| 22:45.50 | Shirik | 4chan can't spell |
| 22:46.21 | Cide | the page is deleted |
| 22:46.28 | Shirik | yes but you get the idea |
| 22:46.38 | Cide | how so? |
| 22:46.40 | Cide | it has nothing on it |
| 22:46.43 | Cide | oh |
| 22:46.44 | Cide | Shirk |
| 22:48.02 | Shirik | look at my user page on the same date (23 Feb) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Shirik&action=history |
| 22:48.05 | Shirik | it should be fairly obvious |
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| 22:48.27 | foxlit | There are no edits? |
| 22:48.45 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:48.53 | Shirik | oh sorry, I do UTC-5 |
| 22:48.58 | Shirik | I guess it's 24 feb |
| 22:49.00 | Shirik | early |
| 22:49.08 | foxlit | Yep. |
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| 22:51.43 | Adys | Shirik: your talk page looks like a bad Web2.0 parody of the 1990s web |
| 22:51.55 | Shirik | ha |
| 22:52.02 | Shirik | I just found out it's impossible to create a WP article about me, too |
| 22:52.11 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=&user=&page=Shirik&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= |
| 22:52.15 | Adys | well |
| 22:52.16 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Shirik&oldid=353917670 did |
| 22:52.20 | Adys | current one is better |
| 22:52.24 | Shirik | no that's User:Shirik |
| 22:52.30 | Shirik | I'm saying the article Shirik |
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| 22:52.50 | Adys | yeah? |
| 22:53.10 | Shirik | User:Shirik is not an article! |
| 22:53.22 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:53.25 | Shirik | I misread what you said |
| 22:53.33 | Shirik | anyway, yes I agree that was horribly cluttered |
| 22:53.35 | Shirik | and that's why I fixed it |
| 22:53.42 | DWSR | Ahem. |
| 22:53.44 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro <--- FAIL! |
| 22:53.48 | DWSR | (Literally) |
| 22:53.55 | Adys | This is a Wikipedia user page. |
| 22:53.55 | Adys | This is not an encyclopedia article. If you find this page on any site other than Wikipedia, you are viewing a mirror site. Be aware that the page may be outdated and that the user to whom this page belongs may have no personal affiliation with any site other than Wikipedia itself. The original page is located at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shirik. |
| 22:53.58 | Adys | who cares really :P |
| 22:54.04 | Shirik | Adys: Standard practice |
| 22:54.14 | Adys | i dont need 40 pixels high banner to tell me that |
| 22:54.19 | Shirik | standard practice |
| 22:54.24 | Shirik | {{sofixit}} |
| 22:54.34 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_page |
| 22:54.35 | Shirik | glhf |
| 22:54.40 | Adys | im not fixing your userpage templates |
| 22:54.47 | Shirik | not mine! |
| 22:54.53 | Adys | whatever |
| 22:54.56 | Adys | point is |
| 22:54.58 | Shirik | cide we gonna play or what? |
| 22:55.05 | Cide | okay |
| 22:55.11 | Cide | I thought you were busy jerking off to wikipedia |
| 22:55.23 | Shirik | ... |
| 22:55.27 | Shirik | YOU said to wait |
| 22:55.27 | Shirik | not me |
| 22:55.28 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Userpage2 |
| 22:55.36 | Cide | psh, I'm just kidding |
| 22:55.39 | Cide | updating sc2 now |
| 22:55.43 | Shirik | oh that's actually kinda nice DWSR |
| 22:55.52 | DWSR | ... |
| 22:55.54 | DWSR | ~epic fail Shirik |
| 22:55.55 | purl | Shirik, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Shirik, you are that epic failure. |
| 22:56.03 | DWSR | Once again proving that you + link = fail. |
| 22:56.16 | Shirik | eh, actually |
| 22:56.24 | Shirik | after putting it in I don't think it's that nice anymore |
| 22:57.12 | DWSR | Use it rounded then. |
| 22:57.27 | Cide | I'm on Shirik |
| 22:57.28 | DWSR | {{Userpage2|rounded=yes}} |
| 22:59.19 | Thunder_Child | "<Shirik> after putting it in I don't think it's that nice anymore" thats the first thing i read when i tabbed over here. |
| 22:59.31 | Thunder_Child | i feel dirty now |
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| 23:04.37 | industrial | !api Delete |
| 23:04.38 | lua_bot | Found 9 possible results for 'Delete': DELETE_ITEM_CONFIRM, InboxItemCanDelete, DeleteInboxItem, DeleteCursorItem, DeleteGMTicket, DeleteFile, MovieRecording_DeleteMovie, DeleteEquipmentSet, DeleteMacro |
| 23:05.00 | industrial | DeleteItem() -> DeleteCursorItem() ? |
| 23:06.02 | industrial | seems so |
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| 23:22.13 | Kraps | singing fetus FTW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7K72X4eo_s |
| 23:22.13 | Mikk | ew? |
| 23:22.25 | Mikk | "This video contains content from EMI. It is no longer available in your country." |
| 23:22.57 | Kraps | you live in a fail country |
| 23:24.14 | Corrodias | youtube has gotten too well known |
| 23:24.25 | Corrodias | advertisements in/before videos, copyrights everywhere |
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| 23:30.09 | Kraps | paragon released strats and vids for 25m hm LK |
| 23:30.33 | Kraps | in HD :o |
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| 23:36.51 | Adys | [Party] [Adys]: 2 small ones > 1 big one |
| 23:36.58 | Gintaro | I wouldn't want to be a priest in Cataclysm |
| 23:37.29 | Gintaro | "omg fail priest! Didn't you see me standing in the fire?! Why didn't you pull me out?" |
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| 23:37.49 | Adys | Gintaro: wut |
| 23:38.33 | Gintaro | Leap of Faith (level 85): Pull a party or raid member to your location. Leap of Faith (or "Life Grip") is intended to give priests a tool to help rescue fellow players who have pulled aggro, are being focused on in PvP, or just can't seem to get out of the fire in time. Instant. 30-yard range. 45-second cooldown. |
| 23:39.07 | cbreak | combine it with levitation and jumping off a cliff |
| 23:39.28 | Gintaro | hehe, indeed, it opens up new ways to kill team mates |
| 23:39.30 | Lopeppeppy | So.... um... you pull the person who has aggro to you, as a healer, so that the tank has to chase them to get it back? |
| 23:39.41 | Lopeppeppy | And you get cleaved a lot by the angry mob? |
| 23:40.05 | Gintaro | hehe, didn't even think of that |
| 23:40.27 | Lopeppeppy | It sounds pretty unfun to me, and I'm a plate-healer, used to taking a few shots. |
| 23:40.42 | Gintaro | Oeh oeh! And you can do a tug of war with DKs/Priests! |
| 23:41.21 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, the tank will love me for that. Yoink. Yoink!! YOINK!! |
| 23:41.59 | Gintaro | :P |
| 23:43.40 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 23:44.03 | Lopeppeppy | hiya Fisker. |
| 23:44.31 | Kraps | i wouls have to drop aggro |
| 23:44.38 | Kraps | it would* |
| 23:44.58 | Fisker | i want my beacon |
| 23:46.43 | Fisker | then i must consider this an act of treason |
| 23:47.46 | Lopeppeppy | Bacon? |
| 23:48.25 | Fisker | beacon |
| 23:48.59 | Thunder_Child | cbreak: it wont work with deathgrip, i doubt it will work with lifegrip. |
| 23:49.19 | ZorbaTHut | it's certainly going to be the first thing many priests try |
| 23:49.35 | ZorbaTHut | I imagine they'll have it fixed soon enough if it does work |
| 23:49.37 | Thunder_Child | i know, i will |
| 23:50.02 | Thunder_Child | it's also going to be my KB stealer in BG's |
| 23:50.02 | Fisker | man |
| 23:50.10 | Fisker | when did they nerf the droprate on the beacons into oblivion? |
| 23:50.23 | Gintaro | beacon? |
| 23:50.30 | Fisker | yes |
| 23:50.31 | Gintaro | isnt that the pally skill? |
| 23:50.51 | Fisker | talking about the oox beacons |
| 23:51.02 | ZorbaTHut | they were always pretty dang low |
| 23:51.14 | ZorbaTHut | you got them by doing a bunch of unrelated questing in the area |
| 23:51.37 | Fisker | naw |
| 23:51.53 | Fisker | i've always gotten mine a shit ton of times |
| 23:52.00 | Fisker | and pretty much instantly |
| 23:53.01 | Thunder_Child | no you havent |
| 23:53.07 | Fisker | yes i have |
| 23:53.15 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 23:53.21 | Fisker | yes |
| 23:53.24 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 23:53.27 | Fisker | yes |
| 23:54.19 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 23:54.34 | Shadowed | Cairenn|afk is AFK, I could ban you both and settle this! |
| 23:54.37 | ScytheBlade1 | what's going on with jnwhiteh? |
| 23:54.55 | Thunder_Child | pituitary cancer iirc |
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| 23:55.14 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd do it |
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| 23:56.47 | Fisker | cancer is lame |
