| 00:00.46 | Jamash | the odd thing is they didn't mention it to me via PM or comment or anything |
| 00:05.38 | Fisker | slaps industrial around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:06.41 | kd3 | yuck. not being able to eat solid foods sucks |
| 00:07.14 | Adys | kd3: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/39317/news-from-the-north/ |
| 00:07.18 | Adys | needs ctrl-refresh |
| 00:07.20 | Adys | what thinks you? |
| 00:07.51 | kd3 | that was on the mailbox in the scarlet enclave--side quest |
| 00:08.33 | Adys | ya |
| 00:08.41 | Adys | but Im talking about the page browser :P |
| 00:08.50 | kd3 | oh, neat |
| 00:09.48 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 00:09.59 | kd3 | fisker? |
| 00:34.37 | Thunder_Child | ignore the Fisker, kd3 |
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| 01:06.36 | Cide | hi! |
| 01:07.05 | Cide | I'm handicapped by only having one monitor |
| 01:07.07 | Cide | please help |
| 01:07.54 | A-KO | I have only one monitor at work |
| 01:07.56 | A-KO | it really gets in the way |
| 01:08.03 | Cide | I work from home |
| 01:08.06 | Cide | so we're in the same boat |
| 01:08.10 | A-KO | I've got a 23" widescreen and a 19" 5:4 at home |
| 01:08.31 | Cide | 5:4 wtf? |
| 01:08.51 | A-KO | yeah |
| 01:08.53 | A-KO | 1280:1024 |
| 01:08.53 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:08.56 | Cide | oh yeah |
| 01:09.04 | Cide | laptop-style |
| 01:09.15 | A-KO | it was my first lcd, the widescreen is nicer, but I don't really have the $ to get another one of thise size |
| 01:09.26 | A-KO | and they don't make the 23" anymore, they're all 24", so I'd have mismatched sizes anyway |
| 01:10.03 | Cide | are you sure? |
| 01:10.24 | Cide | I thought 23" was the biggest size of 1680x1050 |
| 01:10.30 | A-KO | this is 1920x1080 |
| 01:10.39 | Cide | hm |
| 01:10.41 | Cide | nevermind me then |
| 01:12.51 | Dagmar | Are you *sure* it's 5:4? Just because it's 1280x1024 doesn't really mean that |
| 01:12.58 | Thunder_Child | i could use a 3rd 23 |
| 01:13.07 | A-KO | I could use 3x 23" lcds also... |
| 01:13.08 | Dagmar | I'd grab a ruler to be sure. |
| 01:13.20 | Dagmar | I've also got a 24" 1680x1050 |
| 01:13.30 | A-KO | Dagmar: considering images are very clearly stretched out |
| 01:13.33 | Thunder_Child | i only bought 2, i see now the error of my ways |
| 01:13.56 | Dagmar | A-ko: Seriously tho... You shoudl get a ruler to be certain. Pixels are _far_ from guaranteed to be sqaure |
| 01:14.25 | Dagmar | ...or check what it's reporting through EDID |
| 01:14.49 | Dagmar | most 1280x1024 displays are 4:3 and the pixels simply are not square |
| 01:16.59 | Dagmar | *facepalm* |
| 01:18.23 | Dagmar | Well, CRTs at least |
| 01:18.33 | Dagmar | I'm seeing now that the LCD manufs are apparently less picky |
| 01:18.39 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:19.07 | Dagmar | Yeah the facepalm was after sitting here thinking "Do I have those CRTs at home plugged into anything that's ON?" so I could poll them |
| 01:19.27 | Dagmar | ...then realized I'm sitting here at the office on a laptop with an external screen attached, and the second screen is 1280x1024 |
| 01:19.41 | Dagmar | Honestly tho, this aspect ratio stuff is hateful |
| 01:19.59 | Dagmar | It'll drive you freaking batty trying to do home theater s**t |
| 01:21.01 | Dagmar | I've got a 19" Dell CRT at home that does 1600x1200 (which is laughably overkill for the detail it can actually handle) and it thinks it's a 15" monitor accordig to the EDID info |
| 01:21.34 | Dagmar | I've also got a Princeton 19" that maxes out at 1280x1024 and is quite 4:3 |
| 01:21.59 | Dagmar | Something's wrong with it's firmware and the latter half of the EDID information just kinda trails off into binary goop |
| 01:22.23 | Dagmar | The two 17" NECs always gave the correct info tho |
| 01:23.12 | Dagmar | My 15"'s either gave the correct info or just ignored DDC polling entirely |
| 01:23.54 | Dagmar | You need to start slapping your OS around more if you're getting aspect-distorted images that aren't pixel art |
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| 01:31.14 | Thunder_Child | slaps around Dagmars OS |
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| 01:42.34 | Thunder_Child | Bibi: ping |
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| 01:47.01 | Dagmar | Soo... it's looking like HUnters will be collecting attack power and haste in Cata |
| 01:47.21 | Dagmar | Maybe some agility tossed in for giggles at high levels |
| 01:50.35 | Adys | Thunder_Child: pong |
| 01:50.48 | Thunder_Child | Adys: why are you ponging me? |
| 01:50.55 | Adys | because you pinged me |
| 01:51.02 | Thunder_Child | i did? |
| 01:51.08 | Adys | You did |
| 01:51.14 | Thunder_Child | where? |
| 01:51.19 | Adys | Here |
| 01:51.32 | Thunder_Child | when? |
| 01:51.39 | Adys | Moments ago |
| 01:51.49 | Thunder_Child | you != Bibi |
| 01:51.56 | Adys | Who the hell knows |
| 01:52.00 | Thunder_Child | i do |
| 01:52.08 | Adys | No, you do not |
| 01:52.12 | Thunder_Child | however can you edit mmo stuff? |
| 01:52.21 | Adys | yes |
| 01:52.40 | Thunder_Child | the source for the class preview for druid is borked |
| 01:52.52 | Thunder_Child | it links back to the main page |
| 01:53.05 | Adys | whats it supposed to be? |
| 01:53.15 | Thunder_Child | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/24262387043/cataclysm-class-preview-druid/ |
| 01:53.31 | Adys | fixed |
| 01:54.17 | A-KO | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.19 | A-KO | that won't last |
| 01:55.09 | A-KO | We want to add tools to cat form and depth to bear form. If a Feral cat is going to fill a very similar niche to that of a rogue, warrior or Enhancement shaman, it needs a few more tools -- primarily a reliable interrupt. < 5 years too late Blizzard... |
| 01:56.18 | Dagmar | I think perhaps hte forums shall be a place where sane men do not go for a little while |
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| 01:56.39 | A-KO | Restoration druids will have a new talent called Efflorescence, which causes a bed of healing flora to sprout beneath targets that are critically healed by Regrowth. < interesting |
| 01:56.53 | A-KO | that's actually rather neat |
| 01:57.16 | Dagmar | I'm a pretty calm guy and started this sort of mess with 2nd Edition D&D rules and I'm looking at the Hunter preview and feeling like "ACK! THEY'RE TAKING MY TOON AWAY" |
| 01:57.23 | A-KO | You know, I've generally always liked Blizzard's design to druids--it feels to me out of all of the classes that they generally spend the most time into what makes the druid class tick..... |
| 01:57.45 | A-KO | like, every thing they do is calculated and they don't do it for the sake of doing it--like druids won't get any new healing spells in Cataclysm |
| 01:57.49 | Dagmar | So the people who *don't* think things through are probably going to be screaming blue murder about most of this |
| 01:58.08 | A-KO | meh, I generally like most of the changes so far, and the druid ones don't scream over the top except that magic mushroom thing |
| 01:58.34 | Dagmar | Magic Mushroom I have serious doubts about |
| 01:58.34 | A-KO | though what the magic mushroom sprout SHOULD do is make everyone who gets hit by it immediately get the super drunk effect |
| 01:58.45 | Dagmar | A-KO: Hallucinate wildly |
| 01:58.47 | A-KO | haha |
| 01:58.55 | A-KO | oh that would be a good idea |
| 01:59.04 | A-KO | spawn like multiple copies of yourself visible only to them, but they don't know which is why |
| 01:59.08 | A-KO | which* |
| 01:59.12 | Dagmar | Player models should randomly morph every three seconds, Nethack-style |
| 01:59.16 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:59.43 | Dagmar | I have the feeling the mushroom will probably be about as useul as a hunter putting down a trap, once in practice tho |
| 01:59.46 | A-KO | I'm sure they've sat around the office laughing at such an effect, and those mechanics are certainly in the game (See: Dalaran sewer booze) |
| 01:59.58 | A-KO | I have a feeling that the mushroom will be put on a cooldown of some sort |
| 02:00.06 | Thunder_Child | actually i think it should put them all to sleep |
| 02:00.12 | A-KO | with no cooldown I see it not being very powerful, but I suspect they might make it more powerful and then put on a CD |
| 02:00.13 | Dagmar | Everone walking by will say "OH LEWK, TEHY ADDED A MUSHROOM IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PATCH OF DIRT" and walk around |
| 02:00.45 | Dagmar | I'm not asking htem about hunter traps being visible. |
| 02:00.48 | A-KO | they did it with Flourish/Wild Growth at WOTLK release, so I can see it happening with magic mushrooms |
| 02:01.01 | Dagmar | They're liable to change them again so they show up on everyone's minimap |
| 02:02.01 | Thunder_Child | damit, where is tekkub when you need gim |
| 02:02.03 | Thunder_Child | him* |
| 02:02.04 | Thunder_Child | http://furoticon.com/index.php |
| 02:02.06 | A-KO | overall, pretty good on the druid changes--nothing too wildly out there |
| 02:02.38 | A-KO | Thunder_Child: notice the lack of women |
| 02:02.43 | A-KO | oh wait |
| 02:02.47 | A-KO | looks like there is one chick there--maybe |
| 02:02.49 | A-KO | lol |
| 02:02.57 | Wobin | http://www.arte.tv/fr/mouvement-de-cinema/Court-circuit-le-magazine-du-court-metrage/184414,CmC=2935354,CmPart=com.arte-tv.www.html |
| 02:04.02 | Wobin | Thunder_Child, "In Furoticon, you play as a well-renowned Owner (Master, Mistress, Mastress, or Dominator) dueling against one or more Owners for dominance over your opponents' harems. Break through their harems with your own and climax your opponents!" |
| 02:04.07 | Wobin | You're strange =P |
| 02:04.09 | A-KO | lol |
| 02:04.21 | Thunder_Child | wait, why am i strange? |
| 02:04.35 | Dagmar | WHY can't people just masturbate in the privacy of their own homes anymore? |
| 02:04.44 | Dagmar | Why do they feel the need to do it on the internet |
| 02:04.52 | A-KO | Dagmar: watching chat roulette? |
| 02:05.07 | Dagmar | No, just reading what Wobin posted about that furfag website |
| 02:05.26 | Dagmar | Furries are just messed up |
| 02:05.42 | Thunder_Child | thats ignore worthy |
| 02:05.44 | A-KO | OH *MAN* |
| 02:05.45 | Dagmar | ...and that's going to stay my stance on it until I find a girl who likes to wear a cat suit and get kinky. |
| 02:05.47 | A-KO | http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/photos/stylus/133999-crucifix_cartoon_lg.jpg < wow |
| 02:06.40 | Dagmar | I've no problem with them wearing suits and doing whatever in their own space |
| 02:07.01 | Dagmar | What I object to is the hypersexualization of it that makes them want to post something "furrie" all over hte damn internet |
| 02:08.35 | Thunder_Child | yes, because all furries are like that, just like all arabs want to blow something up. |
| 02:09.27 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: I challenge you to spend 20 minutes in the Gaia Online forums (for example) without seeing some gratuitous hyper-pervy furrie nonsense in somewhere it doesn't belong |
| 02:09.53 | Thunder_Child | my point was about you making generalizations |
| 02:10.14 | Dagmar | I question the self-respect of the ones that don't call out the idiots for making them all look bad |
| 02:10.26 | Thunder_Child | bullshit |
| 02:10.39 | Thunder_Child | i dont 'call out' other americans that make me look bad |
| 02:10.46 | Thunder_Child | in foregn countires |
| 02:10.51 | Dagmar | I do. Perhaps you should as well. |
| 02:11.08 | Thunder_Child | i'm not that much of an asshole |
| 02:11.19 | Thunder_Child | i am not bothered by other peoples actions |
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| 02:11.32 | Dagmar | I prefer to not be spending my evening fleeing an angry mob. |
| 02:11.47 | Thunder_Child | good exercise |
| 02:12.03 | Dagmar | Yes, but I've already _done_ that so doing it again would be gauche. |
| 02:12.42 | Dagmar | Lemme pose ya a theoretical... |
| 02:13.14 | Dagmar | You're at a political protest, and you see someone pick up a brick and get ready to throw it at cops. Do you intervene or merely spectate? |
| 02:14.03 | Thunder_Child | that is one hell of a theoretical....since i would be there, but if i was...i would stop them. |
| 02:14.24 | Thunder_Child | would not* |
| 02:14.26 | Dagmar | Okay so you understand part of what I'm referring to then |
| 02:14.33 | Dagmar | Wait you would _not_ stop them? |
| 02:14.38 | Thunder_Child | i mean, i would stop them, i would not be there |
| 02:14.48 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 02:14.59 | Thunder_Child | no, one is after the fact |
| 02:15.04 | Dagmar | I go straight to "shake them like a rag doll" on stuff like that |
| 02:15.05 | Thunder_Child | one is during the action of |
| 02:15.36 | Thunder_Child | also, no one gets hurt from furry posts, someone does get hurt from a brick being throwmn |
| 02:15.40 | Thunder_Child | thrown* |
| 02:15.54 | Dagmar | But simply put, people who are members of sub- or counter-culture movements have to exercise _tact_ and _not_ throw out exceptional levels of freaky in public spaces, because mob behaviour results |
| 02:16.25 | Thunder_Child | the internet is not a good comparison to RL |
| 02:16.38 | Dagmar | Newsflash: The internet is real. |
| 02:16.57 | Dagmar | Acting like an asshat on the internet means you're an asshat in real life, not just "on the internet" |
| 02:17.26 | Thunder_Child | the internet may be real, but it is not 'real life' |
| 02:17.39 | Dagmar | How is it not "real life"? |
| 02:17.48 | Dagmar | It's no different from any public park or city street |
| 02:18.08 | Thunder_Child | of course it is. |
| 02:18.12 | Dagmar | No one should be shocked that they actually suffer repercussions of their actions, just because they did them on the internet |
| 02:18.43 | Wobin | "Shitcocks" |
| 02:19.00 | Dagmar | Wobin: yes, teenagers letting their inner dipshit out |
| 02:19.31 | Dagmar | Frankly, if they're not willing to behave like that in public all the time, I say it's because they're cowards with small members. Heh |
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| 02:20.09 | Cide | again |
| 02:20.10 | Cide | http://www.arinmorf.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/20040319h.jpg |
| 02:20.29 | Cide | "real" "real life" does not offer anonymity |
| 02:20.35 | Dagmar | Yep. They're all sitting around thinking "It's 'just' the Internet. It's not real." |
| 02:20.40 | Dagmar | ...which is dumb as hell. |
| 02:21.21 | Dagmar | the internet doens't particularly offer anonymity, it's just that generally people aren't big enough assholes (because they lack the imagination usually) to make it worth someone's time to track them down |
| 02:21.22 | kd3 | grrr.... wru mage preview? |
| 02:21.52 | Cide | busy being owned by wild mushroom |
| 02:22.07 | Cide | scenario: 5 balance druids, a tiny arena starting area exit |
| 02:22.11 | Cide | 500 wild mushrooms |
| 02:22.22 | Dagmar | There's bound to be a cooldown on that |
| 02:22.27 | Cide | no cooldown, instant cast |
| 02:22.40 | Dagmar | ...otherwise expect Hunters and everone else to raise utter cain about it. |
| 02:22.43 | kd3 | blink! |
| 02:22.56 | Cide | what about the other classes? |
| 02:23.02 | kd3 | sucks to be them |
| 02:23.07 | Dagmar | Hunters in particular _already_ plant traps like that |
| 02:23.16 | Dagmar | Except they can be seen by everyone who isn't blind |
| 02:23.17 | Cide | not like *that* |
| 02:23.25 | Cide | hunters just place one |
| 02:23.33 | Dagmar | Letting another class plonk down *dozens* of them that are invisible would be incredibly OP |
| 02:23.54 | Cide | and hilarious |
| 02:24.00 | Dagmar | Well, yes. |
| 02:24.28 | Dagmar | Hilarious it would be BUT such things are supposed to be reserved for accidental code failures and hopefully won't result in lagging the servers to hell (like the beer fountain trick) |
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| 02:24.53 | Dagmar | "Carpet o' Pipe Bombs" was my favorite trick in Duke Nuke'Em |
| 02:26.58 | Dagmar | A forest of exploding mushrooms would probably be about as effective (i.e, "almost impossible to survive") and amusing to both parties for an equal amount of time (i.e., "funny once or twice, then instantly droll for someone") |
| 02:27.23 | Dagmar | i suspect no cooldown plus infinite shroom would violate the Blizzard fun rule |
| 02:27.55 | Cide | or define it |
| 02:28.03 | Dagmar | 'heh |
| 02:28.14 | kd3 | "oh, let's /wave 30 times in a macro and get a crap-ton of beer bottles to bonk off my head?" beer fountain? |
| 02:28.44 | Dagmar | kd3: Yeah |
| 02:28.54 | Dagmar | Lagged things to @#$@ and back |
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| 02:29.17 | Dagmar | ...but initially quite hilarious |
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| 02:44.07 | Shirik | lmao |
| 02:44.12 | Shirik | KarlKFI, the query is still running |
| 02:44.14 | Wobin | Efflorescence? |
| 02:44.17 | Wobin | honestly? =P |
| 02:44.55 | Dashkal | Someone was feeling whimsical that day in druid-designer land |
| 02:45.07 | KarlKFI | Shirik: lolwut? |
| 02:45.10 | Shirik | it is |
| 02:45.30 | KarlKFI | -_- |
| 02:46.08 | Shirik | strange thing is I'm using like no memory, no CPU |
| 02:46.11 | Shirik | not sure what it's doing |
| 02:46.14 | Shirik | writing to a file? |
| 02:46.16 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 02:46.34 | Shirik | I'm at a pretty constant 1% CPU |
| 02:46.49 | KarlKFI | sounds broken |
| 02:46.57 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 02:46.58 | Shirik | that's top |
| 02:47.03 | Shirik | wtf where is my sql process |
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| 02:47.52 | Shirik | I guess I wouldn't be able to tell anyway |
| 02:47.57 | Shirik | the demand would be coming from mysqld |
| 02:48.02 | Shirik | mysql is just sitting there waiting for a response |
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| 02:55.18 | Cide | epic query? |
| 02:55.40 | KarlKFI | it's fairly epic |
| 02:55.50 | KarlKFI | not quite as epic as my invoice query from hell |
| 02:55.53 | kd3 | grr. aac decoding is broken |
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| 03:05.18 | Dagmar | He killed it dead. |
| 03:05.26 | Dagmar | The query was too epic to handle |
| 03:05.57 | Jamash | SQL is the devil |
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| 03:06.44 | Jamash | I wish language designers would stop trying to make languages "like English" and make them genuinely useful |
| 03:07.11 | Dagmar | Source code is meant for humans to be able to read. |
| 03:07.57 | Jamash | I can read APL better than I can read SQL |
| 03:07.58 | Dagmar | If someone starts making a language that uses dangling participles tho, I'll be right there with ya |
| 03:11.00 | kd3 | gah. not being able to think straight sucks. guess I'll give up wow for the night |
| 03:11.15 | kd3 | does not play well with anesthetics... |
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| 03:12.52 | Jamash | aww |
| 03:15.03 | Cide | sql is fine |
| 03:15.13 | Cide | did you want them to pick keywords that weren't english words? |
| 03:15.46 | Cide | like ": * > mytable ? foo=1" (SELECT * FROM mytable WHERE foo=1" |
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| 03:17.47 | Jamash | how about mytable[foo=1] |
| 03:18.14 | Cide | why? |
| 03:18.27 | Jamash | it's shorter and easier to read? |
| 03:18.34 | Cide | how would you combine it with HAVING? |
| 03:18.43 | Jamash | I don't know what HAVING is |
| 03:18.47 | Cide | me neither |
| 03:18.50 | Jamash | lol |
| 03:18.52 | Cide | I never understood it |
| 03:19.00 | Cide | but it's similar to WHERE but different |
| 03:19.10 | Cide | I believe it has to do with the order of things being performed |
| 03:19.19 | Cide | i.e. HAVING can affect aggregate functions or something |
| 03:19.30 | Cide | HAVING SUM(foo) > 0 or whatever |
| 03:19.37 | Cide | no clue if that's true or not! |
| 03:20.21 | Jamash | seems like HAVING is just WHERE but executed after GROUP BY instead of before |
| 03:20.31 | Cide | there you go |
| 03:20.41 | Cide | so how would you incorporate it beautifully into your syntax? |
| 03:20.43 | Jamash | ok so why use two separate words |
| 03:20.51 | Cide | because they are different? |
| 03:22.18 | Jamash | let me see |
| 03:22.51 | Iriel | HAVING and WHERE are very different indeed |
| 03:23.21 | Cide | Iriel: what's the use case if I may ask? I never really got/used HAVING |
| 03:23.28 | Cide | I just know they are different |
| 03:23.36 | Iriel | Consider a database of husbands and wives |
| 03:23.46 | Dagmar | "We are where a hanging!" |
| 03:23.46 | Iriel | If you want to find all the men who are called 'Jim' you use WHERE |
| 03:23.57 | Iriel | If you want to find all of the COUPLES where the man is called 'Jim', you use HAVING |
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| 03:24.10 | Iriel | (Contrived, but hopefully useful) |
| 03:24.15 | Cide | example? |
| 03:24.22 | Cide | oh |
| 03:24.39 | Cide | cancel the oh |
| 03:25.07 | Iriel | Unfortunately, since it's SQL, I almost always have to look the syntax up when I need it |
| 03:25.22 | Cide | me too |
| 03:25.35 | Cide | fortunately I have had the pleasure of using abstractions lately (ORM) |
| 03:26.16 | Iriel | I hate almost all automatic ORM systems, but I hide sql behind data ccess interfaces mostly too |
| 03:26.20 | Jamash | in proper APLish fashion I would write "predicate IN grouping GROUP predicate IN table" |
| 03:26.31 | Cide | what do you mean by proper? |
| 03:26.38 | Jamash | right-to-left |
| 03:26.44 | Jamash | (proper for APL) |
| 03:26.53 | Cide | I was asking Iriel :) |
| 03:27.26 | Iriel | ? |
| 03:27.37 | Cide | I must be tired |
| 03:27.47 | Cide | I was reading the two lines together apparently |
| 03:28.09 | Cide | I meant "what do you mean by 'automatic'?", I think |
| 03:28.18 | Iriel | things like hibernate |
| 03:28.26 | Iriel | they're pretty neat for prototyping |
| 03:28.47 | Iriel | But I've found they commit some deep betrayal during production use unless you really dont care what your tables look like |
| 03:29.26 | Iriel | Mind you, my use cases aren't really "normal" |
| 03:29.32 | Iriel | so I guess that's to be expected |
| 03:30.03 | Cide | haha |
| 03:30.16 | Cide | I've only dealt with django's so my view is pretty narrow |
| 03:30.21 | Cide | but for my purposes I find it great |
| 03:30.43 | Cide | but it doesn't support all of SQL's syntax so you have to use SQL here and there still |
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| 05:03.29 | Thunder_Child | ~echo |
| 05:03.30 | purl | methinks echo is an issue which can be best fixed using this link: http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org/en/2nd_Edition/asterisk-book-html-chunk/asterisk-CHP-8-SECT-5.html, or fixed with fxotune: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+fxotune, or best fixed by troubleshooting your pci bus: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+PCI+bus+Troubleshooting |
| 05:05.30 | Thunder_Child | backs slowly away from purl |
| 05:09.27 | Corrodias | ~god |
| 05:09.28 | purl | i heard god is a llama, or real unless declared integer |
| 05:09.59 | Corrodias | good one |
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| 05:16.27 | doc-saintly | Am i missing something with string.sub? string.sub("TEST",1,1) returns T, string.sub("TEST",2,1) returns nothing |
| 05:17.27 | Corrodias | maybe lua's substring function uses two indices instead of an index and a length |
| 05:17.43 | Wobin | two indicies |
| 05:17.49 | doc-saintly | ah-hah! You would be correct :) |
| 05:17.59 | Wobin | you're going from character 2 to 1 |
| 05:18.18 | doc-saintly | i misread :\ sorry for noobishness |
| 05:18.53 | Corrodias | noobishness is the only problem i can really help with anyway. |
| 05:19.06 | doc-saintly | yep, a good firm slap is always the key |
| 05:19.25 | Corrodias | the same approach works for relationships as well! |
| 05:22.12 | Thunder_Child | and children |
| 05:22.27 | doc-saintly | as a sanity check... sorting a hex number alphabetically would achieve the same results as numerically correct? |
| 05:22.55 | doc-saintly | err. no, because 0 is 48 and A is 65 :\ |
| 05:23.08 | Corrodias | depends on the sorting algorithm i suppose...? |
| 05:27.13 | DWSR | In true geek fashion, I just replaced the housing for my /slide/ phone. |
| 05:27.27 | DWSR | If anyone has done that, you know how much of a pain in the ass that is. |
| 05:28.57 | Corrodias | i have not :< |
| 05:29.21 | Iriel | doc-saintly: But 0 comes before A (and a) so it does sort correctly |
| 05:29.29 | DWSR | Wild Mushroom (Level 85): Grows a magical mushroom at the target location. After 4 seconds the mushroom becomes invisible. Enemies who cross the mushroom detonate it, causing it to deal area-of-effect damage, though its damage component will remain very effective against single targets. The druid can also choose to detonate the mushroom ahead of time. This is primarily a tool for the Balance druid |
| 05:29.30 | DWSR | WIN |
| 05:29.32 | Iriel | doc-saintly: Assuming when you say 'numerically' you mean 'hex-aware-numerically' |
| 05:29.42 | DWSR | MAGIC MUSHROOMS |
| 05:29.50 | doc-saintly | aaah true, gotcha :) |
| 05:29.51 | doc-saintly | thanks :) |
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| 05:44.03 | Shirik | Iriel! |
| 05:44.07 | Shirik | I ordered the lens |
| 05:44.10 | Shirik | iit will be here on Tuesday |
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| 05:47.12 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: have you figured out the first thing you are going to take with it? |
| 05:47.18 | Shirik | nope |
| 05:47.19 | doc-saintly | http://pastebin.com/whQyATVc <- Does this seem like a really inefficient way to split a string into tables? |
| 05:47.26 | Thunder_Child | PLAN IT OUT |
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| 05:56.08 | Wobin | doc-saintly, what are you trying to do? |
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| 05:58.15 | doc-saintly | split a string into a table with a space as a character |
| 05:58.27 | Wobin | http://lua-users.org/wiki/SplitJoin |
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| 05:59.34 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_strsplit |
| 05:59.36 | nevcairiel | use that one ^ |
| 06:00.15 | doc-saintly | hrm, well i'm not actually using thw WoW API |
| 06:01.10 | doc-saintly | the* |
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| 06:10.23 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: ^^ |
| 06:10.25 | Iriel | Shirik: Wheee! We demand pictures, once it arrives of course. |
| 06:10.54 | Iriel | I bought a guitar, instead of a lens (about 2 weeks ago) |
| 06:13.30 | Iriel | Sleep time! |
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| 06:18.42 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: ^^ |
| 06:19.12 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: if it keeps being a problem I'll take care of it |
| 06:19.15 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: thanks |
| 06:19.25 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 06:19.33 | Wobin | ~staple Yssaril|Away |
| 06:19.33 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Yssaril|Away quite well, and hands Yssaril|Away to wobin |
| 06:19.34 | Thunder_Child | 30+ min and counting |
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| 06:46.52 | nevcairiel | !api strata |
| 06:46.53 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'strata': Frame:GetFrameStrata, Frame:SetFrameStrata |
| 06:47.55 | Wobin | what stats am I looking for as a disc priest? |
| 06:48.11 | nevcairiel | int, sp |
| 06:48.36 | nevcairiel | not sure how much use crit/haste are for them |
| 06:49.52 | Wobin | 40% of sp goes towards shield absorption |
| 06:50.06 | Wobin | crit heals proc Aegis |
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| 06:50.29 | Thunder_Child | pvp or pve? |
| 06:50.36 | Wobin | it's painfully simple to heal (or not heal, as the case may be) pve normal dungeons atm |
| 06:50.40 | Wobin | pve |
| 06:51.12 | Wobin | with a decent tank, I'm just recasting shields and casting renew every now and again |
| 06:51.22 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 06:51.43 | Thunder_Child | you are not a healer, you are a dmg absorber |
| 06:51.46 | nevcairiel | with a decent tank, i respec moonkin and heal the tank a tiny bit between pulls |
| 06:51.49 | Wobin | s'awesome |
| 06:52.18 | Wobin | It's nice to have a different job, ie, anticipating incoming damage |
| 06:52.26 | Wobin | rather than reacting to damage being taken |
| 06:52.54 | Wobin | although, switching back to shammy heals takes a few encounters to get back into the reactive healing =P |
| 06:53.30 | Wobin | hehe, I only did 45% of the healing in that last gundrak run |
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| 07:03.04 | Dashkal | 100.0x50.0 |
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| 07:10.05 | Zyonin | Mage changes have been posted: http://www.wow.com/2010/04/10/cataclysm-class-changes-mage/ |
| 07:11.17 | bleeter | Fisker: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/how-sandwich-makes-you-its-bitch-in-11.html |
| 07:19.18 | Thunder_Child | "Deathfrost: Casting Frostbolt places a buff on the mage that increases the damage for all frost, fire, and arcane spells. The only damage spell that won't be affected by this buff is Frostbolt." i do wonder what they have in mind |
| 07:20.08 | nevcairiel | they want you to use more then one spell all the time |
| 07:20.28 | Thunder_Child | well thats silly. also, it already happens |
| 07:20.35 | Thunder_Child | even for frost |
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| 07:31.32 | Wobin | burnout, eh? |
| 07:31.37 | Wobin | interesting |
| 07:31.44 | Wobin | mages will become the new warlocks |
| 07:33.20 | Thunder_Child | time warp a;ready makes them win |
| 07:33.24 | Thunder_Child | warp* |
| 07:33.28 | Thunder_Child | already* |
| 07:33.33 | Thunder_Child | i think i am tired |
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| 07:47.26 | Wobin | I*? |
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| 07:52.28 | Vilkku | first ever addon comment received :D |
| 07:54.03 | Fisker | Wobin right |
| 07:58.35 | Thunder_Child | caps is for losers |
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| 08:22.41 | Wobin | holy crap =( |
| 08:22.49 | Wobin | Priest T9 makes me look like Mega Man |
| 08:23.44 | Wobin | while Priest T10 makes me look like the Flying Nun |
| 08:33.04 | zenzelezz | http://punditkitchen.com/2010/04/09/political-pictures-benedict-xvi-godfathe/ |
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| 09:50.41 | Fisker | Wobin :( |
| 09:50.43 | Fisker | i'm a bot |
| 09:50.44 | Fisker | :(( |
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| 11:18.11 | Adys | jnwhiteh: sup? |
| 11:18.20 | jnwhiteh | just thanks or your edits |
| 11:18.30 | jnwhiteh | its helping me a ton right now. |
| 11:18.32 | Adys | ah =) |
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| 13:19.34 | Wobin | ugh |
| 13:19.37 | Wobin | worst VH ever |
| 13:19.44 | Wobin | first tank drops group for no reason |
| 13:19.47 | Wobin | second tank DCs |
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| 13:40.26 | haste | Wobin: I've had bots for tanks! |
| 13:40.49 | haste | luckily it was four people from my guild, so we just tricked/MD threat to it |
| 13:40.59 | haste | HoL hard-mode! |
| 13:41.24 | haste | this was back when you couldn't kick people until the debuff went away |
| 13:47.35 | cbreak | *grumble*... |
| 13:47.59 | cbreak | blizzard hates mages :( |
| 13:49.26 | zenzelezz | hm, Poland's president died in a plane crash in Russia... this could get interesting :-| |
| 13:49.59 | nevcairiel | HoL has a hardmode? |
| 13:50.34 | cbreak | yes, all level 80 dungeons have one |
| 13:50.45 | cbreak | it's called (Heroic) |
| 13:51.03 | nevcairiel | i said hardmode |
| 13:51.07 | nevcairiel | not betterlootmode |
| 13:51.26 | cbreak | yes. heroic modes have mobs with much higher health, dps. |
| 13:51.28 | haste | more like... HoL HC done hard |
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| 14:06.15 | industrial | zenzelezz: :O |
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| 14:20.11 | Wobin | haste, you still can't kick people until the debuff is over |
| 14:26.41 | Ackis | I installed this game called WoW |
| 14:26.46 | Ackis | how do I getz free goldz? |
| 14:27.11 | foxlit | Just type your username, password, and next 500 authenticator codes to http://www.totallylegitandfreegold.com |
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| 14:28.01 | zenzelezz | I'm surprised that doesn't exist |
| 14:30.10 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEJNrEPUc54 |
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| 14:59.07 | haste | Wobin: well that sucks :P |
| 15:00.49 | Aelobin | paying female taurens to go places for a noble garden title, i feel dirty |
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| 15:58.27 | Fisker | rages |
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| 16:06.34 | cbreak | cries for the loss of Frost and Fire Ward |
| 16:06.46 | cbreak | wonder if we're the only class that got nerfed... |
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| 16:23.55 | Fisker | palas too cbreak |
| 16:27.01 | nevcairiel | paladins are the class for people that cant play any real class, so they dont get to complain |
| 16:27.31 | Gnarfoz | fuck you, nevcairiel |
| 16:27.37 | cbreak | the only useful spell mages got is a clone from shamans :( |
| 16:27.38 | nevcairiel | its true |
| 16:27.41 | Gnarfoz | it's not |
| 16:27.50 | nevcairiel | all three roles a paladin can play are so trivially easy compared to others |
| 16:27.56 | foxlit | The wall thing is interesting |
| 16:28.14 | Fisker | s/easy/boring/ |
| 16:28.23 | Gnarfoz | maybe if you only stand around autoattacking :p |
| 16:28.26 | nevcairiel | if something is boring, its too easy |
| 16:28.38 | foxlit | Oh? |
| 16:28.42 | foxlit | Hard things can't be boring? |
| 16:28.56 | Gnarfoz | I played a warlock before the first round of class reviews (and after), then a rogue for the latter half of classic and up to the end of BC |
| 16:29.10 | Gnarfoz | and only then switched to my paladin |
| 16:29.14 | nevcairiel | if its hard and not interesting, its annoying, but not necessarily boring |
| 16:29.14 | Gnarfoz | why? because the ROGUE was boring |
| 16:29.21 | Gnarfoz | not the paladin :p |
| 16:29.31 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
| 16:29.42 | nevcairiel | i usually dont play much dps classes |
| 16:29.47 | Gnarfoz | so take your "real classes" shit somewhere else |
| 16:29.49 | Fisker | i changed from rogue to paladin to get some utility |
| 16:29.54 | Adys | actually anyone,maybe nevcairiel |
| 16:29.56 | nevcairiel | i just know that tanking and healing as a paladin is so trivially easy |
| 16:30.02 | Adys | do you know of an auction house bookmark addon? |
| 16:30.06 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24262407556&sid=1 << awesome |
| 16:30.18 | Adys | i bookmark a bunch of items and whenever, i can scan the AH see if there is any of them up |
| 16:30.27 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: what oO |
| 16:30.33 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i never said real classes, i said "all other classes" :P |
| 16:30.41 | Gnarfoz | <nevcairiel> paladins are the class for people that cant play any real class, so they dont get to complain |
| 16:30.44 | Gnarfoz | "real class" |
| 16:30.52 | nevcairiel | yeah well, all other classes |
| 16:31.20 | Fisker | so 2-button mages are harder? |
| 16:31.21 | nevcairiel | ask anyone that played two tanking classes where one is paladin |
| 16:31.25 | zenzelezz | foxlit: o_O |
| 16:31.26 | nevcairiel | he'll say that paladin is way easier |
| 16:31.35 | Adys | Fisker: arcane = lame |
| 16:31.46 | Adys | arclame. |
| 16:31.47 | Adys | pro. |
| 16:31.52 | foxlit | zenzelezz, Gnarfoz: points to guess what causes that, really |
| 16:31.56 | Gnarfoz | probably tank&spanked themselves through some heroics |
| 16:32.28 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: I have no idea :D non-english client should not be a possibility, I think? |
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| 16:32.39 | Adys | foxlit: is it an issue in opie or the client? |
| 16:32.49 | foxlit | I don't know. |
| 16:32.49 | Fisker | also tanking really depends on whether or not you consider having good AoE threat for "easy" |
| 16:33.08 | Fisker | which they're nerfing anyway |
| 16:33.15 | nevcairiel | since everything is about AoE in every kind of instance, sure thats important. everyone can stand around and tank a boss |
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| 16:33.30 | Fisker | s/instance/heroics/ |
| 16:33.35 | nevcairiel | raids too |
| 16:33.39 | foxlit | It trips on enUS (enGB) client, too |
| 16:33.41 | Fisker | not really much there |
| 16:33.46 | nevcairiel | everyone AoEs, everywhere |
| 16:34.13 | nevcairiel | tanking a boss is more like playing DPS |
| 16:34.21 | nevcairiel | possibly with some movement included |
| 16:35.12 | Gnarfoz | haha, got some moron who begged for gold stuck to me |
| 16:35.24 | Gnarfoz | I put 1000g into a trade window and went afk |
| 16:35.24 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 16:35.50 | Fisker | reminds me why i hate every other paladin but myself |
| 16:35.54 | Fisker | Was leveling my mage |
| 16:36.05 | Fisker | And the staff in SM: Library drops |
| 16:36.07 | Gnarfoz | haha now he put 1g in there, smart |
| 16:36.19 | Fisker | a paladin needs on it and i ask if i can get it "I can use staffs byyyyyyyyeeeeee" |
| 16:36.22 | Fisker | also he didn't ress me |
| 16:36.23 | Fisker | jerk |
| 16:36.32 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: you're saying you hate me? :( |
| 16:36.40 | Fisker | i do |
| 16:37.14 | zenzelezz | in that case I hate every mage because one of those stole my Chromatic Carapace |
| 16:37.29 | Fisker | you should |
| 16:38.52 | cbreak | Fisker: blizz seems to think mages have too many buttons |
| 16:39.00 | Fisker | they do |
| 16:39.01 | cbreak | they remove four spells, two of which are actually important |
| 16:39.01 | nevcairiel | they do |
| 16:39.08 | cbreak | and threaten to remove more |
| 16:39.10 | Fisker | hopefully they can make it one button instead of 2 |
| 16:39.13 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 16:39.16 | nevcairiel | they wont be important anymore when they are gone :p |
| 16:39.19 | durcyn | should just remove mages entirely |
| 16:39.29 | cbreak | and replace with what? |
| 16:39.37 | cbreak | we're THE dps class |
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| 16:39.40 | nevcairiel | arcane warlocks |
| 16:39.46 | cbreak | no other class can compete with us in raw damage and aoe damage |
| 16:39.53 | cbreak | (from the official class description) |
| 16:40.07 | nevcairiel | the official description also claims that shamans can tank |
| 16:40.10 | cbreak | has that cached from 5 years ago |
| 16:40.12 | nevcairiel | or did they finally fix that? =P |
| 16:40.17 | cbreak | they can |
| 16:40.19 | cbreak | for 2 seconds |
| 16:40.19 | Gnarfoz | that's gone, nevcairiel |
| 16:40.31 | Gnarfoz | just like those "everyone AOEs everything" fights you talk about |
| 16:40.43 | Fisker | they should reimplement tanking shamans |
| 16:40.47 | nevcairiel | hey i do ICC, trash is still AoEd |
| 16:40.48 | Fisker | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAh |
| 16:41.08 | Gnarfoz | sure, you AoE tank everything in blood wing trash? I'd like to see you get raped trying |
| 16:41.30 | Gnarfoz | why not single-tank all trash? ;) |
| 16:41.38 | cbreak | sheep power! |
| 16:41.45 | Gnarfoz | undead sheep ftw |
| 16:41.56 | nevcairiel | AoE by DPS and the tanking style involved are not necessarily related |
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| 16:42.14 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEJNrEPUc54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzs3AZDKCiQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcpBqfDNCEQ <-- epic p0m videos lol |
| 16:43.13 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: <nevcairiel> everyone AoEs, everywhere <nevcairiel> tanking a boss is more like playing DPS <-- say what now? |
| 16:43.31 | Gnarfoz | it's okay if you don't like paladins for some reason, just don't talk out of your ass about them |
| 16:43.33 | nevcairiel | how are those related? |
| 16:43.34 | Gnarfoz | ~ |
| 16:43.38 | Gnarfoz | "everyone" includes tanks |
| 16:43.54 | nevcairiel | now you're holding on to some pretty thing straws there |
| 16:43.58 | Gnarfoz | and you claimed that tanking is so much easier on paladins (guess why? because they have strong AoE) |
| 16:44.01 | nevcairiel | the healers obviously dont aoe either |
| 16:44.07 | Gnarfoz | oh, they don't? |
| 16:44.15 | Gnarfoz | paladin healers probably don't, because they can;t |
| 16:44.22 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 16:44.41 | Gnarfoz | I bet you there's Wild Growth's, CoH's and Chain Heal's going around ;) |
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| 16:44.58 | nevcairiel | only if the trash aoes at us first |
| 16:45.56 | Gnarfoz | if any class is too easy, it's apparently druids, since you don't even notice the AoE dmg :D |
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| 16:46.03 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
| 16:47.12 | nevcairiel | But what my point was, that tanking a boss isnt the "hard" part, running your rotation like a DPS is easy to learn, tanking trash without very strong AoE threat is hard(er) |
| 16:47.48 | cbreak | nah |
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| 16:48.08 | nevcairiel | For healing, its actually easier to heal if you dont have AoE heals or HoTs, you get the cool job of spamming on 1-2 tanks :d |
| 16:48.11 | cbreak | just tell your dps: "Attack the guy with the skull mark or get a frequent-dier discount from our rezzer" |
| 16:48.21 | nevcairiel | like that worked for two expansions now |
| 16:48.30 | Gnarfoz | I guess I don't notice thanks to mostly playing with my guild's very competent tanks |
| 16:48.39 | Gnarfoz | none of them seem to have trouble tanking anything in particular |
| 16:48.40 | zenzelezz | frequent-dier discount? I say penalty |
| 16:49.14 | cbreak | there's one |
| 16:49.24 | cbreak | if you die too often, you'll get a rez cooldown |
| 16:49.46 | nevcairiel | I'm not saying tanks dont manage, just that good players i know that played two tanking classes where paladin is one of them consistenly say that paladin is alot easier |
| 16:49.48 | zenzelezz | I meant more like not being resurrected at all if you kept dying |
| 16:50.43 | zenzelezz | if people like the "easy" paladin tanking style, then good for them. I enjoy warrior tanking |
| 16:50.48 | Gnarfoz | well, the comparison can only be based on stuff the other tanking class could also do |
| 16:51.03 | Gnarfoz | luckily, we've not yet reached the state where every class is exactly alike |
| 16:51.21 | Gnarfoz | in other news, cherry trees blossoming are fucking beautiful |
| 16:51.42 | cbreak | if you like pink |
| 16:51.48 | zenzelezz | who doesn't? |
| 16:51.55 | cbreak | paladins |
| 16:52.00 | Gnarfoz | real men wear pink :p |
| 16:52.01 | zenzelezz | oh, you mean the colour |
| 16:52.04 | Gnarfoz | also, it's closer to white |
| 16:52.35 | Gnarfoz | wtf, some spammer probably broke his bot |
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| 16:52.57 | Gnarfoz | 18:51:54|2|Klanopwxyefg: :Erwin19820419@Hotmail.comGETHERE |
| 16:52.57 | Gnarfoz | 18:51:56|2|Klanopwxyefg: Erwin19820419@Hotmail.comGETHERE |
| 16:53.00 | Gnarfoz | oO |
| 16:53.11 | Gnarfoz | (yes, I altered it) |
| 16:53.18 | nevcairiel | also, its a known fact that paladins are the biggest crybabys on the wow forums :D |
| 16:53.36 | nevcairiel | cant wait for the paladin changes |
| 16:53.39 | Gnarfoz | everyone is the biggest crybaby |
| 16:53.41 | nevcairiel | qq threads, ahoi! |
| 16:53.54 | Gnarfoz | forums are not representative of anything :D |
| 16:54.09 | cbreak | they are representative for something very whiny and very clueless |
| 16:54.31 | Gnarfoz | they represent only those who care to be on forums~ |
| 16:55.04 | nevcairiel | well i would wager that the forum population is evenly spread through all classes |
| 16:55.35 | nevcairiel | no reason a particular class would be more likely to go on the forums |
| 16:56.41 | kdtresh | unless blizz regularly breaks them and has to spend the next few months after every patch hotfixing them |
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| 17:02.39 | Wobin | awesome |
| 17:02.45 | Wobin | I almost outdamaged the hunter |
| 17:02.58 | Wobin | (once I discovered mind sear) |
| 17:03.13 | Wobin | poor hunter =P |
| 17:03.23 | Wobin | how embarassing to be outdps'd by the healer =P |
| 17:03.48 | nevcairiel | i regularly respec moonkin now in heroics when i get a good tank |
| 17:03.54 | nevcairiel | dont need much heal then |
| 17:04.00 | nevcairiel | out damage some of the dps quite often |
| 17:04.02 | nevcairiel | =/ |
| 17:05.08 | Wobin | I was doing it as a disc healer =P |
| 17:05.33 | Wobin | if I had the gold to dual spec, I'd probably have a shadowspec for those occasions |
| 17:05.46 | nevcairiel | i want a third spec |
| 17:05.51 | Wobin | although, it's really the disc shields that give me the time to actually dps |
| 17:05.54 | nevcairiel | had to throw away my good feral spec to get moonkin |
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| 17:06.34 | kdtresh | i used to heal as ret, i liked it |
| 17:07.02 | zenzelezz | I healed as a prot warrior on Hydross |
| 17:07.06 | zenzelezz | during the nature phase |
| 17:07.29 | Wobin | man, OP |
| 17:07.33 | Wobin | nerf warriors =) |
| 17:08.06 | zenzelezz | didn't have much else to do, so I finally used some of the eight stacks of bandages I used to carry around |
| 17:08.23 | zenzelezz | was mostly warlocks that weren't at full health yet in range of me |
| 17:08.34 | Dagmar | Wobin: pfft. Nerf persuasion |
| 17:09.05 | Wobin | persuasion? |
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| 17:09.21 | Wobin | PS, who is going to make a druid for Caty called 'BadgerBadger'? |
| 17:09.28 | Dagmar | Yeah. Echo Bazaar. I've been trying to raise Shadowy and I think they have an excess of card events that rais persuasion |
| 17:09.34 | Wobin | Dagmar, oh |
| 17:09.43 | Dagmar | Are druids getting a new badger form for DPS? |
| 17:09.46 | Wobin | wow, I haven't played for a while |
| 17:09.59 | Wobin | I got discouraged when my Ambition hit a brick wall |
| 17:10.05 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: they're getting a Mushroom spell |
| 17:10.21 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Yeah, I suspect tehy left details out there |
| 17:10.28 | Wobin | PS, don't do the Card Game Ambition |
| 17:10.31 | Dagmar | Some of the stuff posted is kinda dodgy |
| 17:10.41 | Wobin | cause they haven't finished it =( |
| 17:11.01 | Dagmar | I figure they just didn't tailor the announcements to be picked apart as finished products or something |
| 17:11.16 | Wobin | pft |
| 17:11.35 | Wobin | when -aren't- any Blizzard announcements -not- picked apart molecule by molecule? |
| 17:11.39 | zenzelezz | there wasn't much to misunderstand; they clearly said you're getting a Mushroom spell that drops a mushroom |
| 17:11.57 | nevcairiel | an invisible mushroom, no less! |
| 17:11.59 | Dagmar | Wobin: Well, in this case I'm BM and I get piles of attack power from int due to spec |
| 17:12.06 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: visible for a few seconds |
| 17:12.27 | nevcairiel | yeah yeah, but then invisible! |
| 17:12.37 | Dagmar | I figure they'll probably increase the amount of attack power on "hunter" gear to compensate tho |
| 17:12.39 | nevcairiel | wonder how long it hangs around |
| 17:13.08 | zenzelezz | when I read the title of the spell, I thought "oh, they're getting the mana mushrooms from SSC" |
| 17:13.38 | Dagmar | ...and hey, I've got all the T9, *and* the one-off pieces, so the odds of me getting gearscrewed are probably pretty darn low |
| 17:13.41 | nevcairiel | nah, its sneaky exploding mushrooms |
| 17:14.09 | Wobin | omg |
| 17:14.10 | Dagmar | I think I threw out my 213's but I've got literally everything else between 219 and 232 you can get |
| 17:14.27 | Wobin | the mushroom -has- to make the Super MArio sound when you hit it |
| 17:14.32 | Wobin | that would be -awesome- |
| 17:14.36 | Dagmar | NOW I see why Warlocks get into trouble with Seed of Corruption on trash pulls |
| 17:14.43 | Gnarfoz | could well implement that as an addon, Wobin :p |
| 17:14.49 | nevcairiel | Wobin: if it doesnt, we'll do an addon that does! |
| 17:14.50 | Wobin | \o/ |
| 17:14.57 | Dagmar | Wobin: Pretty sure someone will make an addon for that until Nintendo clears their throat about it |
| 17:15.05 | Wobin | I love this channel =P |
| 17:15.38 | Dagmar | gf pulled like 8 guys last night and I started spamming out Seed of Corruption, next thing I know I've got seven new best friends |
| 17:15.57 | nevcairiel | at least one eas stuck to her |
| 17:15.59 | Dagmar | Yay for the noisemaker engineering trinkets double-stacked |
| 17:16.02 | zenzelezz | <Dagmar> gf pulled like 8 guys last night <--- o_O |
| 17:16.02 | nevcairiel | s/eas/was/ |
| 17:16.08 | nevcairiel | doh |
| 17:16.15 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Actually that one died before it got to me with the second pop of seed hit |
| 17:16.24 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 17:16.25 | Dagmar | zenseless: hah |
| 17:16.47 | Wobin | Dagmar, it's like, how Boomkins, never really realise just -how- wide 35 yards is, until they try starfall in an enclosed area |
| 17:17.00 | Dagmar | I know I was just very suddently looking at a whole faceful of 2000's and I'm just lucky I got that many charges of it off |
| 17:17.10 | Dagmar | One tick of "FUUUUU-UUUUUU-" dropped them |
| 17:17.16 | Dagmar | (Yes, THAT'S when to use it heheh) |
| 17:17.23 | nevcairiel | Wobin: but we boomkins are so awesome at AoE |
| 17:17.30 | Wobin | it's so true =) |
| 17:17.42 | Wobin | I first learned of it in Botanica |
| 17:17.47 | Wobin | when I pulled -all- the alchemists |
| 17:17.50 | Dagmar | Wobin: They get a targeting reticle for that thing, don't they? |
| 17:18.02 | Wobin | Dagmar, nope, centered around the caster |
| 17:18.05 | Dagmar | Yowza |
| 17:18.09 | nevcairiel | with starfall and hurricane i basically always end up on #1 in AoE situations |
| 17:18.11 | Wobin | that's 70 yard diameter =) |
| 17:18.48 | Dagmar | I'll stick with a juiced up monkey for AoE. |
| 17:18.58 | Dagmar | I do *not* like being the center of attention for an angry mob |
| 17:19.05 | Wobin | thank god, it has a glyph that reduces the radius |
| 17:19.13 | Dagmar | OOOh yes hehe |
| 17:19.20 | nevcairiel | it has? |
| 17:19.30 | Wobin | although, I used it to great effect in the pre-wotlk zombie events |
| 17:19.38 | Wobin | http://www.wowhead.com/item=44928 |
| 17:19.48 | Wobin | I could pull -entire- camps by standing in the middle =P |
| 17:19.50 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 17:19.52 | nevcairiel | right |
| 17:19.55 | nevcairiel | i didnt get that one |
| 17:20.04 | Dagmar | Wobin: I love the description on some of EB's multi-part events, particularly when you go for the big prize on writing a book about Smiling Jack or whatever |
| 17:20.05 | nevcairiel | using mf, sf, sf |
| 17:20.06 | Wobin | hehe |
| 17:20.24 | Wobin | Dagmar, they've really outdone themselves with the writing |
| 17:20.40 | Dagmar | Publisher respectfully declines to shake your hand, the constables want to talk to you, four people go mad, chidren are scarred for life, etc etc |
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| 17:21.06 | Wobin | Are we uncivillised? ARE WE BARBARIANS? |
| 17:21.34 | cbreak | who? |
| 17:22.06 | Wobin | You should come play Echo Bazaar, cbreak =) |
| 17:22.12 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 17:22.25 | Dagmar | ALthough I suspect they dont really expect people to actualyl use the currency much |
| 17:22.51 | Wobin | echos? |
| 17:22.54 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 17:22.58 | Dagmar | I've got sixteen cents |
| 17:23.01 | Wobin | I only cash in my junk when I need to buy stuff |
| 17:23.13 | Dagmar | The junk sells for so little tho |
| 17:23.15 | Wobin | in case I need that junk later for trades =P |
| 17:23.30 | Wobin | like 400 foxfire candles =( |
| 17:23.41 | Wobin | that lead to a non ending Ambition =( |
| 17:23.44 | cbreak | I feel out-of-touchh with current topic |
| 17:24.47 | Dagmar | I have to remember to STOP talking to cheery gentlemen or I'll go mad, _again_ |
| 17:25.49 | Dagmar | I keep seeing it come up and thinking "This is new--wonder what it does? *click*" |
| 17:26.00 | Dagmar | Nightmares has been raised to 7! |
| 17:26.04 | Wobin | oh yeah =( |
| 17:26.07 | Wobin | chug more hot wine! |
| 17:26.21 | Wobin | between wine and church, I keep myself sane =P |
| 17:26.26 | cbreak | this must be some kind of code |
| 17:26.29 | Dagmar | There's only so many clergy and magnanimous acts I can pull off |
| 17:26.41 | Wobin | for nightmares? |
| 17:26.55 | cbreak | clergy acts? Involving little boys? |
| 17:27.00 | Dagmar | cbreak: It's Echo Bazaar. It's a browser game about "Fallen London" which basically very dark and victorian |
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| 17:27.02 | Wobin | and you've been pulling off clergy? =\ |
| 17:27.24 | Dagmar | cbreak: I'm pretty sure once my contacts with clergy has gone up to a certain point I'll probably be able to sell them orphans or something |
| 17:27.33 | cbreak | ... |
| 17:27.36 | Wobin | no doubt |
| 17:27.38 | cbreak | I think I stick with WoW |
| 17:27.59 | Wobin | Dagmar, you -do- know about the hot wine, right? |
| 17:28.07 | Dagmar | I've got a sackful of souls, so selling whole orphans in a city that's fallen miles below the Earth's surface shouldn't even need a permit. |
| 17:28.23 | Dagmar | Wobin: Yep. Scandal is at either 3 or 4 now |
| 17:28.30 | Wobin | don't let it hit 5 =P |
| 17:28.38 | Dagmar | That mechanic appears to just be a way to slosh from one progress bar to another |
| 17:28.43 | Wobin | go to church |
| 17:28.47 | Dagmar | New Newgate is it then? |
| 17:28.47 | Wobin | (from your lodgings) |
| 17:28.56 | Wobin | the Tomb Colonies =\ |
| 17:29.06 | Dagmar | Hmm... I may do thta just to see what happens then |
| 17:29.19 | Wobin | if you do, make sure your nightmares are decently down |
| 17:29.38 | Wobin | else you'll go straight from the Tomb colonies to the Bethlehem |
| 17:29.49 | Wobin | also, you'll be trading in your faction for less scandal |
| 17:29.53 | foxlit | Can you do /cast spell:zyx? |
| 17:30.07 | Gnarfoz | what's that supposed to do? |
| 17:30.17 | foxlit | cast a spell by ID |
| 17:30.19 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 17:30.27 | Dagmar | I know it looks like once you get a faction up to 3 you can basically farm it with actions and a bit of money using the Carnival |
| 17:30.44 | Gnarfoz | still only names (not even spellbook actions) |
| 17:31.02 | foxlit | it's meh, since /use item:zyx works :( |
| 17:31.23 | Dagmar | Wobin: The Royal Bethlehem was easy enough to figure out. It can be summed up by "Stop Acting Crazy" |
| 17:31.30 | Gnarfoz | there's tons more spells that make no sense tho |
| 17:31.45 | Wobin | Dagmar, that's no fun, see? =P |
| 17:31.51 | Dagmar | If you're deep, deep underground and a man wants you to accompany him to the roof to look at _stars_, he's a nutter. |
| 17:32.04 | Wobin | so, thusly... push him down the stairs! |
| 17:32.08 | Gnarfoz | but I assume there's some "does the player trying to cast this actually know this spell?" check in place already, so it's not like that'd matter much |
| 17:32.12 | Dagmar | Push his happy ass down the stairs absolutely |
| 17:32.34 | Wobin | apparently the one for dangerous, is getting into Jail again |
| 17:32.39 | Wobin | within which you get raped |
| 17:32.42 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.48 | Wobin | (raping may be metaphysical) |
| 17:32.59 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: what |
| 17:33.06 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: /cast spell:0x3aad |
| 17:33.08 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: If you could cast by spell id things you don't know |
| 17:33.23 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: I was correcting your syntax, nothing more |
| 17:33.36 | Gnarfoz | also, that spell is now just a mapping to "Suicide" :p |
| 17:33.50 | Dagmar | That could be handy in the right situations |
| 17:34.18 | Gnarfoz | yes, but who has any of the items that use that spell ;p |
| 17:35.08 | Dagmar | I'm old school. I dont' worry about that because I figure GMs don't particularly drop the hammer on people who get a gm-only item and just use it to make a joke |
| 17:36.00 | Dagmar | *Usually* they have a sense of humor |
| 17:36.22 | Dagmar | I know one time I caught a GM off-guard in EverQuest at the upper end of the Walk of Heroes |
| 17:36.46 | Gnarfoz | probably other GMs than those who actually handled such cases before in WoW, they weren't particularily amused so far when it happened ^ |
| 17:36.47 | Dagmar | I was just screwing around, wandering through the area, saw him AFK and jokingly popped a force spell with pushback on him |
| 17:37.16 | Dagmar | Now, had he had GM Invulnerability on like he was supposed to, it would have been funny to see him sparkle |
| 17:37.29 | Gnarfoz | too bad WoW has such limited griefing possibilities, eh? ;p |
| 17:37.37 | Dagmar | Since he didn't and we were at the top of the Walk of Heroes which features a canyon drop of about 300 yards, it became entirely hilarious |
| 17:38.21 | Wobin | oh man that's silly |
| 17:38.28 | Dagmar | My toon was a good fifteen levels lower than his |
| 17:38.36 | Wobin | sure, as GMs and devs, we tend to gravitate to the high vantage points |
| 17:38.44 | Wobin | but never ever turn off invulnerability =P |
| 17:38.47 | Dagmar | Literlly, a newb walks by and stops momentarily to push him off a cliff. heh |
| 17:39.44 | Dagmar | I did so many weird things in that game I think they probably marked my CS file |
| 17:40.00 | Dagmar | I got a minor talking to one day for "Giant Tossing" |
| 17:40.20 | Dagmar | Two wizards, one with Gravity Flux, and the other with a pushback spell like Force Shock. |
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| 17:40.41 | Dagmar | Find newbie giant, cast Gravity Flux, second wizard casts Force Shock at it's apex while they're in the air... |
| 17:40.59 | Dagmar | Angry leevl 16 giant lands hundreds of yards away in the newbie zone |
| 17:41.13 | kapowaz | anyone know if it's possible to use Quartz 3 to show the times of selfbuffs, e.g. Slice n Dice? |
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| 17:41.46 | Gnarfoz | kapowaz: why not use a mod that's inteded for that? like ClassTimer, NeedToKnow or so? |
| 17:41.47 | Dagmar | kapowaz: I *think* it does but since I have all those features turned off I can't be sure |
| 17:42.16 | Dagmar | I'm just using it for the crafting bar and to get a simpler cast bar |
| 17:42.26 | Dagmar | There's definitely better mods for bufftimers |
| 17:44.08 | Dagmar | kapowaz: I know when I first installed it it was putting all sorts of bars up that I didn't really want or care to look at |
| 17:45.02 | Dagmar | kapowaz: That last 6 seconds, right? I'd be using PowerAuras for something liket hat |
| 17:45.42 | Dagmar | It'll show countdown numbers |
| 17:45.52 | kapowaz | I don't want suggestions for other addons to use. |
| 17:46.08 | kapowaz | I'm asking a very specific question. If you don't know the answer, "I don't know" is a perfectly acceptable response. |
| 17:46.36 | Dagmar | Thanks, I'll keep that in mind the next time I decide to offer someone additional information or advice. |
| 17:47.31 | kapowaz | look, I don't want to be rude, but I really don't want people to suggest me doing something which requires me to install another addon instead. |
| 17:47.44 | kapowaz | because that will necessitate *more* work than just doing what I want with my existing addon. |
| 17:47.46 | zenzelezz | then you could have said so |
| 17:47.55 | zenzelezz | around here it's normal to suggest more specific addons for a problem |
| 17:47.56 | kapowaz | I don't think it's necessary for me to say so. Read my original question. |
| 17:48.06 | Dagmar | I don't think it's necessary to go on about it so |
| 17:48.19 | kapowaz | you were the one acting all hurt because I turned down your advice. |
| 17:48.21 | Dagmar | Holy Crap Quartz got an update |
| 17:48.24 | kapowaz | just wanted you to know why. |
| 17:48.32 | kapowaz | see, you weren't even aware that Quartz was updated |
| 17:48.54 | Dagmar | I wasn't "acting all hurt". You drastically overestimate your importance in my life. |
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| 17:49.11 | zenzelezz | I'm sure now people really want to help you |
| 17:49.14 | Cairenn | step back, both of you, before I get cranky |
| 17:49.27 | Dagmar | I cant' even get upset right now. Not enough caffiene |
| 17:49.37 | Irish` | kapowaz: to answer your original question: yes |
| 17:49.41 | kapowaz | I just find it an irritating response for people on IRC to make a suggestion and then react negatively because their suggestion wasn't taken up. |
| 17:49.48 | kapowaz | when their suggestion was orthognal to the question asked |
| 17:49.49 | Iriel | takes the protective marshmallow off the end of cairenn's pointy stick of "behavior correction" |
| 17:49.58 | kapowaz | Irish`: excellent! How? |
| 17:50.00 | zenzelezz | you better listen to what Cairenn said |
| 17:50.02 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:50.04 | Cairenn | hugs Iri |
| 17:50.10 | Cairenn | Iriel, even |
| 17:50.22 | Irish` | in the config options, there's a "Buff" section |
| 17:50.25 | Irish` | play with that |
| 17:50.53 | kapowaz | it only seems to have options for the Focus and Target unitframes |
| 17:50.59 | Dagmar | Hmm... S'mores pop tarts make a fine breakfast |
| 17:51.41 | kapowaz | to clarify why I don't want to use ClassTimer (because, funnily enough, I already tried that) it's because then I have two sets of bars to manage, which like to overlap each other. Throw DBM into the mix too and you've got bar overlap hell |
| 17:51.48 | kapowaz | I'd prefer them to all come from one addon if at all possible |
| 17:51.54 | Irish` | this screenshot would imply that it does, indeed, work for the player: http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw8026.jpg |
| 17:52.18 | kapowaz | and since I've already got Quartz in use for several other characters, I'd really rather not have to reconfigure another addon to replace the lost functionality |
| 17:52.26 | Irish` | oh my god you talk so much |
| 17:52.38 | Irish` | if you spent half as much time looking at the config you would have already found the option |
| 17:52.44 | kapowaz | eh |
| 17:52.51 | kapowaz | I've got it open right in front of me |
| 17:52.53 | zenzelezz | nods at Irish` |
| 17:53.05 | kapowaz | Slice and Dice isn't a cast |
| 17:53.08 | kapowaz | it's a self-buff |
| 17:53.46 | kd3 | good grief; the class change threads are gigantic |
| 17:53.55 | kapowaz | although I see the other buffs there, so yeah... hmm. |
| 17:53.58 | Gnarfoz | of course it's a cast. instant cast, target: player |
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| 17:54.11 | Gnarfoz | but who has castbars for instant casts? ;p |
| 17:54.11 | Irish` | kd3: they are, but nobody seems to say anything useful |
| 17:54.16 | Dagmar | kd3: They're pretty sweeping changes. I like to think of myself as pretty calm about those sorts of things and they're _still_ making me jumpy. |
| 17:54.18 | Gnarfoz | (yes, I know you want a *BUFF* timer) |
| 17:54.37 | Dagmar | Some of the kiddies are probably viewing it like The End Of The World As We Know It |
| 17:54.42 | Dagmar | (Nevermind that it actually is that)( |
| 17:54.46 | Irish` | I'm going out of my mind trying to figure out exactly how they're implementing hasted DoTs/HoTs |
| 17:54.50 | kd3 | meh; I just maintain the mindset that "They're not idiots, they have a plan." |
| 17:55.04 | Dagmar | kd3: Same here |
| 17:55.11 | kd3 | irish; simple, you'll get extra ticks in the same amount of time... instead of 5 ticks over 15 sec, maybe 6 or 7 ticks over 15 sec |
| 17:55.19 | Gnarfoz | it's not rocket surgery! |
| 17:55.19 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 17:55.36 | Irish` | I get that, but consider... 5% haste |
| 17:55.37 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
| 17:55.40 | Fisker | you are not kd3 |
| 17:55.46 | Gnarfoz | Fisker |
| 17:55.52 | Gnarfoz | you are not nevcairiel |
| 17:55.55 | Irish` | on an 18s DoT (Corruption) you'd need 16.66% haste to get an extra tick |
| 17:55.56 | Dagmar | ...but seems like after you spend more than a certain number of hours poring over possible spec changes to raise yer DPS, the idea of having to redo it all over again makes the hair on the back of the neck stand up a litte |
| 17:56.03 | Irish` | at 5% haste you get... 5% of an extra tick? |
| 17:56.24 | Gnarfoz | don't be stuck on "ticks every 3s" |
| 17:56.43 | Dagmar | I keep thinking "MAH INT! I NEEDS IT!" |
| 17:56.44 | foxlit | It's fair enough |
| 17:56.44 | kd3 | don't forget that you can't clip dots any more either... you're just extending the length of the duration of the debuff |
| 17:56.44 | Irish` | I'm not, but the problem comes at the end of the spell |
| 17:56.52 | foxlit | The thing you're missing is that you'll not experience the end of the spell |
| 17:57.01 | kd3 | 5% haste over the course of a few minutes will still help |
| 17:57.02 | Dagmar | kd3: THAT's something they'll probably be explaining in more detail soon |
| 17:57.07 | Irish` | I suppose you don't, really, unless you allow it to fall off something |
| 17:57.13 | Irish` | and in that case it doesn't matter |
| 17:57.18 | foxlit | Keep in mind that if you recast the dot/hot, it'll just extend the duration |
| 17:57.23 | foxlit | Not start an entirely new dot/hot |
| 17:57.23 | Dagmar | Like, how many times can you stack that? Could you zap a dot three times fast and it just run for triple duration? |
| 17:57.34 | Gnarfoz | (that's also how they'll do the "no clipping" stuff. the debuff will just stick around a bit longer but do no damage - if you re-apply it in that "dead" window, it'll be re-set to the full duration) |
| 17:57.50 | Irish` | Dagmar: pretty sure it's like Everlasting Affliction (as they said), it'll refresh the duration, not stack it |
| 17:57.51 | Gnarfoz | stack? zero times |
| 17:58.09 | kapowaz | Gnarfoz: I still don't see an option to show it. Pretty sure I have all the available bars enabled. |
| 17:58.20 | kd3 | casting it 3 times in a row is useless, casting it once every <debuff duration - GCD or two> is win |
| 17:58.24 | Dagmar | Irish: I dont' get how that could not clip tho |
| 17:58.33 | Gnarfoz | kapowaz: it's in the screenshot, so it has to work somehow. also, ask nevcairiel, he basically re-did the addon for ace3. |
| 17:59.17 | kd3 | so with 5% haste, it ticks every 2.8sec instead of every 3 sec. the dot lasts 15 seconds... if you recast it 12 seconds in you've got a 27-second dot, 10 ticks |
| 17:59.21 | kapowaz | nevcairiel: thoughts? |
| 17:59.29 | kd3 | s/12/13/ s/27/28/ |
| 17:59.38 | nevcairiel | about what? |
| 17:59.47 | Irish` | Dagmar: on the next tick, the duration resets to full |
| 18:00.20 | Irish` | kd3: it's more things like Bane of Agony that I'm concerned about, really |
| 18:00.21 | Dagmar | Oh so they've created a sort of buffer in the last tick then |
| 18:00.41 | Irish` | Dagmar: I suppose, that's how Everlasting Affliction appears to behave |
| 18:00.55 | kapowaz | Gnarfoz: mmm. I just wish I could see how they've configured it. The only thing I have disabled is the swing timer. |
| 18:01.00 | Dagmar | At the moment I mainly rely on latency to ensure my 15s shot doesn't clip |
| 18:02.19 | kapowaz | what would be great is if addon authors could come up with a framework for timer bars that all addons could share. |
| 18:02.35 | kapowaz | so that they all go to specific group locations |
| 18:03.15 | Iriel | kapowaz: Because we know that users NEVER want to move things around their screen? |
| 18:04.02 | Torhal | Iriel: My response was going to be something akin to "What would be great is if world leaders got together and...oh, wait...that's fantasy." |
| 18:04.24 | kapowaz | um... |
| 18:04.25 | Thunder_Child | and declair war |
| 18:04.29 | kapowaz | okay, I'll give you an analogy. |
| 18:04.30 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: :D |
| 18:04.33 | kapowaz | actionbars |
| 18:04.41 | Thunder_Child | declare* |
| 18:04.43 | kapowaz | you can have many actionbars, but when you move one actionbar, all the buttons on it move together |
| 18:04.51 | kapowaz | rather than having to move all the buttons individually |
| 18:04.53 | kapowaz | kapisch? |
| 18:05.16 | cbreak | Torhal: world leaders getting together is easy |
| 18:05.17 | Gnarfoz | capisce |
| 18:05.31 | kapowaz | looks around |
| 18:05.32 | cbreak | they do that on the G8 to fuck people over |
| 18:06.03 | kapowaz | am I really in #wowuidev, or #aspergiangamers? |
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| 18:06.14 | kd3 | you'd be surprised |
| 18:06.17 | Cairenn | kapowaz: enough |
| 18:06.18 | Gnarfoz | you're in #wowuiDEV alright. |
| 18:06.30 | kapowaz | emphasis on DEV because...? |
| 18:06.43 | Cairenn | because this is a DEV channel - mod AUTHORS |
| 18:06.47 | Cairenn | CODING |
| 18:06.47 | Irish` | because DEV != SUPPORT |
| 18:06.48 | Thunder_Child | more for development than handholding |
| 18:06.48 | Cairenn | not users |
| 18:07.01 | Thunder_Child | hand holding* |
| 18:07.14 | Torhal | I support Devs! |
| 18:07.18 | Torhal | Oh, wait. |
| 18:07.18 | kapowaz | so, what I just said there, that doesn't sound like an idea for a feature for an addon? |
| 18:07.28 | Thunder_Child | not the way you said it |
| 18:07.39 | Gnarfoz | kapowaz: I'm now on my main char, where Quartz is actually loaded, and it has a "buff" module loaded. make sure it's enabled for you, it does what you seek. |
| 18:07.39 | kapowaz | okay. |
| 18:07.48 | kapowaz | Gnarfoz: it's enabled for me right now |
| 18:07.59 | kapowaz | I'm stood at the training dummy using Slice n Dice, and I get no bar |
| 18:08.05 | Cairenn | frankly, someone brand new to the channel, asking for support, not offering anything but insults and attitude - be glad you haven't been kicked from the channel yet .... show some damn respect |
| 18:08.21 | kapowaz | insults? |
| 18:08.23 | Cairenn | these are the people that spend their free time making mods for you to use for free |
| 18:08.23 | kapowaz | jesus. |
| 18:08.41 | Cairenn | a little bit of courtesy and respect goes a bloody long way |
| 18:08.49 | kapowaz | that door swings both ways, my friend |
| 18:08.51 | nevcairiel | dont get the Cairenn angry, is all! |
| 18:08.52 | Gnarfoz | kapowaz: and to elucidate on what I just said: apprently it only does it for focus and target indeed, as you said |
| 18:09.03 | kapowaz | Gnarfoz: yeah |
| 18:09.14 | kapowaz | which makes that screenshot earlier all the more confusing |
| 18:09.20 | Gnarfoz | so to conclude, no, Quartz can't do what you want ;) |
| 18:09.47 | nevcairiel | I bet he just focused himself :D |
| 18:09.51 | nevcairiel | for the screenshot |
| 18:09.55 | kapowaz | you might think I've gone to the wrong place to ask questions about addon config, but where could possibly be better than somewhere where the actual authors are present? |
| 18:09.57 | nevcairiel | because thats the position of the focus bars |
| 18:10.02 | kapowaz | that makes sense |
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| 18:21.19 | Thunder_Child | blizz really needs to make a 'i dont want to join a guild right now so stop asking me' option |
| 18:24.31 | Fisker | POW |
| 18:24.32 | Fisker | HAHA |
| 18:31.31 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: yeah; as they have a "block trades" option they should be able to do a "block guild invites" too |
| 18:32.43 | Cairenn | cookie |
| 18:32.53 | zenzelezz | yes? |
| 18:33.02 | Cairenn | ignore, was just testing something ;) |
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| 18:46.59 | Fisker | touches Thunder_Child in the pants |
| 18:47.05 | Fisker | also zenzelezz i think that's a bad idea |
| 18:47.17 | Thunder_Child | isnt that Cairenn's job Fisker? |
| 18:47.19 | Fisker | because then i can't spam people when i want to open up a guildbank |
| 18:47.25 | Fisker | you wish |
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| 19:07.31 | Adys | Shirik: ping |
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| 19:39.17 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 19:39.32 | Arrowmaster | i have to pay taxes on $21.34 of income last year |
| 19:40.22 | Shirik | +heal, haste |
| 19:40.29 | Shirik | oh fail |
| 19:40.34 | Shirik | scrolled up like an entire day |
| 19:40.38 | Shirik | Adys: pong |
| 19:40.44 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 19:41.27 | Thunder_Child | ~failrik |
| 19:41.28 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 19:42.04 | Shirik | and Iriel, to answer your question from last night, I have no idea what I'm going to take pictures of yet, and I will |
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| 19:43.51 | Adys | Shirik: worked with tar before? |
| 19:43.58 | Shirik | yup |
| 19:44.06 | Adys | what lib do you recommend? |
| 19:44.12 | Adys | c++, need to work with tar.bz2 |
| 19:44.24 | Adys | apparently libtar is shit, and Tarlib is in pascal |
| 19:45.02 | Fisker | weekends are awesome |
| 19:45.09 | Shirik | oh I have no idea on a library |
| 19:45.13 | Shirik | I just know how to use tar |
| 19:45.21 | Adys | well gtfo then |
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| 19:46.31 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 19:46.33 | Fisker | hey |
| 19:46.43 | krka | http://www.bzip.org/ for libbzip2 |
| 19:48.23 | krka | or this http://code.google.com/p/libarchive/ |
| 19:48.56 | Arrowmaster | maybe zlib |
| 19:49.21 | Arrowmaster | hell just link to the 7zip library |
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| 19:50.24 | Arrowmaster | oh you said tar.bz2, so nevermind about zlib |
| 19:53.04 | Shirik | Fisker, hey |
| 19:55.58 | Dagmar | Adys: If it's any consolation, the tar format is stupid-simple |
| 19:56.16 | Dagmar | It never really needed to be complex since it's "just" an archiver |
| 19:56.25 | Adys | krka: looking up |
| 19:56.50 | Dagmar | I've actually (as abhorrent as this might be to some) implemented it in the distant past in both perl and visual basic |
| 19:56.58 | Shirik | I actually think the tar format is pretty cool |
| 19:57.06 | Shirik | how you can just concat tar archives together and it's ok |
| 19:57.10 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 19:57.59 | Dagmar | It carries meta info about the permissions/ownership of files, but if you don't care, you can just ignore 'em |
| 19:58.31 | Shirik | or if you extract on windows, you can go "wtf am I supposed to do with this?" |
| 19:58.54 | Dagmar | Response: LOL |
| 19:59.54 | nevcairiel | ~wowalert |
| 19:59.55 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 20:02.05 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
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| 20:09.46 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
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| 20:13.06 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:15.50 | nevcairiel | anyone else in the EU having loginserver trouble? |
| 20:19.38 | msoul | nevcairiel: I am |
| 20:21.24 | Fisker | old nevcairiel |
| 20:23.22 | Thunder_Child | fail Fisker |
| 20:23.48 | Fisker | no Thunder_Child |
| 20:24.07 | Thunder_Child | yes Fisker, your trolling has been substandard as of late |
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| 20:26.20 | Fisker | actually, no. |
| 20:26.39 | Thunder_Child | actually yes |
| 20:26.45 | Fisker | no |
| 20:26.49 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 20:26.50 | nevcairiel | he is getting lazy |
| 20:26.56 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 20:27.11 | nevcairiel | dont take our hate for granted, you better troll more, or we might stop hating you! |
| 20:27.52 | Dagmar | Ah I wouldn't worry too much about that. Hate is pretty easy to come by |
| 20:30.12 | Dashkal | Just siphon some in from the wow forums |
| 20:30.24 | Kaso | I wonder if they'll give battle res to paladins |
| 20:30.43 | Kaso | given theyre spreading bloodlust around, battle res is the only other real one class favorable ability |
| 20:30.55 | Dashkal | That would be pretty cool. |
| 20:31.13 | nevcairiel | you dont take away my battle res uniqueness! |
| 20:31.41 | olafski | DKs clearly need battle rez |
| 20:31.45 | olafski | though we already have some form of it ;) |
| 20:31.52 | Dashkal | I like the DK ghoul rez |
| 20:31.55 | nevcairiel | I dont think they'll spread it around though |
| 20:31.59 | olafski | I never ever use it |
| 20:32.07 | Dagmar | NO one seems to ever remeber |
| 20:32.09 | Dashkal | It does pretty hefty damage in the hands of someone who knows the abilities |
| 20:32.10 | Kaso | If they made DK ghoul rez so you could use your old abilities itd be pretty cool |
| 20:32.20 | Dagmar | YEah but that wouldnt' be as much fun |
| 20:32.38 | Kaso | itd be more useful and make people actually cast it then ;p |
| 20:32.46 | nevcairiel | If they give our battle res to some other class, i want a new spell to throw around too, preferably some cooldown to protect tanks with |
| 20:32.52 | Dagmar | I mean, if you're a ranged DPS and you go down and someone ghouls you, now you get to run in and just whack buttons |
| 20:32.59 | Dagmar | You're already dead, what ELSE could go wrong? |
| 20:33.00 | Thunder_Child | "<Dashkal> Just siphon some in from the wow forums" no thanks, we already have amarande for that |
| 20:33.08 | Dashkal | snickers |
| 20:33.33 | Dashkal | I'm just laughing at most of it anyway. I'm really excited about beta. |
| 20:33.44 | Dashkal | I suspect I'll have to roll one of each class at this point just to see how they feel now |
| 20:33.53 | Dagmar | All of them hairy |
| 20:34.28 | Dagmar | I wonder how many horde will dump their auction toons for a shiny, new goblin |
| 20:34.40 | Dashkal | snickers |
| 20:34.48 | Dagmar | You gotta admit those suits will look pretty pimp on a goblin |
| 20:34.49 | Dashkal | I would in a heartbeat if I was horde. |
| 20:35.04 | Dagmar | For my money it's Dranei for auction toons, all the way |
| 20:35.09 | Fisker | no btw Thunder_Child |
| 20:35.12 | Dagmar | ...at least on Alliance side |
| 20:35.18 | Thunder_Child | yes btw Fisker |
| 20:35.28 | Fisker | the fact that we're having this conversation means no |
| 20:35.36 | Fisker | sorry Thunder_Child |
| 20:35.48 | Dashkal | Mine is a night elf male. Simply because he looks so comical in the clothing I stuffed him in. |
| 20:36.11 | Dagmar | Ah, I've got mine in the purple suit, diamond-tipped cane, and monacle |
| 20:36.11 | Thunder_Child | nice try Fisker, but having a chat about your fail trolling is not a good troll |
| 20:36.20 | Dashkal | I doubt I could ever roll a nelf male. Too comical in anything |
| 20:36.37 | Fisker | didn't say it was Thunder_Child |
| 20:36.37 | Dashkal | A monacle? I hadn't thought of that. Though the only onces I know of offhand would require leveling the dude |
| 20:36.53 | Thunder_Child | yes you did Fisker "<Fisker> the fact that we're having this conversation means no" |
| 20:37.00 | Dagmar | Yeah I think I got it from that fishing daily in Terrorkar |
| 20:37.09 | Thunder_Child | or the eye of flame |
| 20:37.14 | Fisker | actually no i didn't Thunder_Child [22:23:55] <Thunder_Child> yes Fisker, your trolling has been substandard as of late |
| 20:37.15 | Dashkal | The first one I can think of offhand is an engy recipie |
| 20:37.17 | Fisker | also ""'s |
| 20:37.41 | Dashkal | But my toon is level 5. And only that high because I leveled him to be a disenchanter before they nerfed that |
| 20:37.53 | Thunder_Child | sorry Fisker, substandard |
| 20:38.34 | Fisker | that has nothing to do with it |
| 20:38.37 | Dagmar | The Noble's Monacle has the same appearance as the Eye of Flame |
| 20:38.47 | Thunder_Child | yup |
| 20:39.51 | Dashkal | Hmm, I should do the tero fishing daily a few times for that. That would be awesome. |
| 20:39.55 | Dashkal | Thanks for the tip :D |
| 20:40.28 | Dagmar | YEah there's a lot of stuff in those bags that's just for RP/giggles. I've gotten a few wedding rings and stuff |
| 20:40.56 | Dagmar | What I can't get is for that bastard to give me the one fishing daily I'm missing |
| 20:41.39 | Dagmar | I gotta look up what faction he is so after I finally do get it and finish it I can turn around and declare war and KILL HIM |
| 20:41.55 | Dagmar | ...and then to deal with Mr. Pagle |
| 20:41.59 | Dashkal | :P |
| 20:42.13 | Dashkal | Sadly, I've sold more than one monocle, and it looks like the drop on it is pretty crappy |
| 20:42.19 | Dashkal | Perhaps someone stuffed it on the ah |
| 20:42.20 | Dagmar | What? You've never killed an NPC for stringing you along? |
| 20:42.45 | Dashkal | There's only one NPC I really want to smack down, but that wouldn't be legal for them to let me. That stupid brat in SW |
| 20:43.02 | Dashkal | Just let me hit him and have him land on his ass, that'd be fine... |
| 20:43.23 | Dagmar | Pssht. One doesn't _find_ little Timmy. He finds _you_. |
| 20:43.35 | Dashkal | Not the one selling the crocolisk, the one who stole the doll |
| 20:43.38 | Dagmar | Then you buy his kitten and run away |
| 20:43.44 | Dashkal | sorry, kitten |
| 20:43.47 | Dagmar | Oh the _brat_. |
| 20:43.55 | Dashkal | I've seen that NPC once. And it was already sold |
| 20:43.55 | Dagmar | Yeah, I'd pop him in an ice trap in a heartbeat |
| 20:44.17 | Dagmar | Dashkal: I've seen him 3-4 times but that's mainly because I'm prone to just riding all around the canals when I'm waiting for something |
| 20:44.27 | Dagmar | Staring at lampposts... |
| 20:44.34 | Dashkal | I tend to stay out of the cities for the most part. |
| 20:44.39 | Dashkal | And my AH alt is in Ironforge atm |
| 20:44.45 | Dashkal | Might move him to the exodar for Cata |
| 20:44.53 | Dagmar | Any particular reason? |
| 20:45.06 | Dagmar | Are they perhaps adding a G**D**N ELEVATOR? |
| 20:45.13 | Dashkal | 1.5 gigs of ram. Low enough that I get pretty wicked texture lag |
| 20:45.39 | Dagmar | Oh. Unless that's a laptop, just buy some RAM |
| 20:45.48 | Dashkal | No point. I'm saving for a full upgrade |
| 20:45.49 | Dagmar | RAM is nice and cheap |
| 20:46.05 | Dagmar | Oh. I just budget for them |
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| 20:46.07 | Dashkal | My video card failed as well, might as well do the entire thing once I have a grand to drop |
| 20:46.16 | Dashkal | But my old one can handle wow so *shrug* |
| 20:46.26 | Dagmar | Jesus $1000 will buy a LOT of freaking computer now |
| 20:46.30 | Dashkal | Yes, yes it will |
| 20:46.46 | Dagmar | The ones I and my gf play on were ~$450 apiece |
| 20:46.50 | Dashkal | I'm looking at a quad core, 4 gigs of ram, a mobo that won't fail to support it, and the balance is my new video card |
| 20:46.54 | Dagmar | ...and they're somewhat overkill |
| 20:47.10 | Dashkal | (I don't need the quad core/ram for gaming, that's more for working. Compile jobs work nice and quick on 4 cores) |
| 20:47.21 | Thunder_Child | i do other stuff while gaming |
| 20:47.25 | Thunder_Child | works out |
| 20:47.26 | Dagmar | Yeah they do |
| 20:47.45 | Dashkal | But at minimum I'd like to be able to keep that memory hog of a browser open while I play |
| 20:47.58 | Dagmar | I spend more time on commenting changelogs for build scripts than it takes my X2 4850e to compile them tho |
| 20:48.18 | Dashkal | With a quad, I can actually look at gentoo without screaming :P |
| 20:48.30 | Dagmar | Otherwise by now I've have upgraded to a phenoom os some stripe |
| 20:48.40 | Dagmar | er phenom of |
| 20:49.05 | Dagmar | 'cept for Qt. |
| 20:49.35 | Dashkal | qt is what I have in mind when I say I don't like waiting for gentoo. That and OOo |
| 20:49.38 | Dagmar | I askd one of the guys from our cluster computing group if I could steal some computer time to compile Qt "quickly for once" and he laughed that it might actually bog down the cluster |
| 20:49.40 | Dagmar | >1000 nodes |
| 20:50.23 | Dashkal | Oh I wouldn't doubt it. |
| 20:50.59 | Dashkal | wowhead needs a report bad drop data link. Weather Beaten Fishing Hat reported as a drop on the Kvaldir Reaver |
| 20:51.27 | Dagmar | You're sure it hasn't dropped from him? |
| 20:51.41 | Dagmar | Some of the drop tables have some weird crap in them |
| 20:51.51 | Dashkal | One drop in 321142 kills? |
| 20:52.08 | Dagmar | I suspect maybe there's a bit of loot-generating cde that looks at some global table of stuff for like a 1:10000 drop chance |
| 20:52.34 | Dagmar | Dude, I've been hunting in Nagrand and gotten clefthoof meat off an _elephant_ |
| 20:52.39 | Fisker | getting a GTX 480 Dagmar ? |
| 20:52.46 | Dagmar | It makes me wonder a bit about their diet |
| 20:52.56 | Dagmar | FIsker: Probably not until after Cata, if that |
| 20:53.14 | Dagmar | I'm running an 8800GT now and it's perfectly cpaable of handling everything but a 25-man with aplomb |
| 20:53.36 | Dagmar | I gotta turn down spell effects for those anyway if I want to be able to see at all |
| 20:54.20 | Dagmar | I'm somewhat hoping they'll address that in Cata spell effects. |
| 20:54.34 | Dagmar | Stuff made of outlines would be less likely to result in clouds of red pea soup I think |
| 20:55.54 | Dagmar | Getting to the end of boss fights and realizing there was still some minor trash in that fog can be a little disturbing |
| 20:55.56 | Dashkal | Until a few days ago I was running an 8800 GS. Now I'm running a 6200 LE (Weee!) |
| 20:56.18 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Full screen glow is off I guess. ;) |
| 20:56.30 | Dashkal | It does have a half gig of ram on it, though, so it's amazing what it can handle. And yes, that was turned off instantly |
| 20:56.44 | Dagmar | The 6000-series didn't handle that well |
| 20:56.53 | Dagmar | I generally had it turned off on my 6800 |
| 20:56.54 | Dashkal | Low settings with terrain distance turned back up one shy of top (world of fogcraft annoys me) |
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| 20:57.28 | Dashkal | My bottleneck is still player textures, though. Dalaran kills me at first then stabalizes after a minute or two. |
| 20:58.29 | msoul | Login servers still down for EU? |
| 20:58.42 | Dagmar | I *suspect* that edge-cases like Dalaran require "mommy and daddy's money" cards |
| 20:58.47 | Shirik | just got an administrator blocked on wikipedia o.o |
| 20:58.56 | Dagmar | I lurk around 14-25fps in Dalaran |
| 20:59.14 | Kaso | Man i wish i had an AOE on my low level rogue :( |
| 20:59.41 | Dagmar | ...and that's under "average" circumstances. With enough people around I think the issue mostly becomes a matter of the bus breaking a sweat |
| 20:59.44 | Dashkal | Once the textures loaded I got 30+ in Dal. But before that I got 3-5 |
| 21:00.01 | Dashkal | Or more accurately it would render a few frames, then lock up, then render, then lock up... |
| 21:00.28 | Dagmar | Next thing I'm spending money on is GigE upgrades |
| 21:00.33 | Dashkal | I would just come up from the sewers, then get up for a drink. Come back and all is good |
| 21:00.50 | Dagmar | The >4gb video files coming out of my myth box irk me every time. I want it NAO! |
| 21:01.30 | Dashkal | This PC will be a myth box as soon as I upgrade. Looking forward to that. I just hope I can get the landlord to let me drill a hole into the closet so I can hide the thing away. |
| 21:01.43 | Dashkal | What I'm hoping I can pull off is I want to control it with a wiimote. |
| 21:01.49 | Dagmar | I'm still sorting out exactly WTF Windows Media Player's problem is with streaming video with sparse-numbers of I-frames |
| 21:01.50 | Dashkal | No LoS required. |
| 21:02.15 | Dagmar | The same damn file played over SMB works fine, although seeking is stupidly inaccurate |
| 21:02.36 | Kaso | They should give lowbie rogues like a poison that does damage to nearby enemies to give us a bit of aoe capability |
| 21:03.03 | Dashkal | Something like one of those old world diseases? That'd be nifty. |
| 21:03.28 | Dagmar | Dashkal: You'll have lots of fun trying to get LIRC listning to bluetooth |
| 21:03.48 | Dagmar | Last I checked that was still a non-trivial thing to make go |
| 21:03.53 | Kaso | "Splash Poison : Occasionally splashes a toxic posion to nearby enemies casing xx-yy damage" |
| 21:03.55 | Dashkal | Actually, I was pondering writing code to take wiimote events and convert them to keystrokes |
| 21:04.07 | Fisker | you must be very produ Shirik :( |
| 21:04.13 | Shirik | produ? |
| 21:04.23 | Dagmar | That would probably be more straightforward, but there's still the issue of just the arrangement of buttons |
| 21:04.43 | Dagmar | I went over all it's various modes and basically everything is gonna need six buttons or it'll feel weird doing something or other |
| 21:04.52 | Dashkal | *nods* This is true. I'm not sure if it's possible, but it would let me hide the damn noisy box. |
| 21:05.11 | nevcairiel | could spice it up with some quietness |
| 21:05.14 | Fisker | my computer has 20 tons of lag Shirik |
| 21:05.17 | Dagmar | You can always run a thin cable for a simple IR transciever |
| 21:05.21 | Dagmar | ...or just the reciever |
| 21:05.37 | Dashkal | The wiimote has 8 buttons on it. 10 With the nunchuck. More if I use the joystick and accellerometer |
| 21:05.41 | Shirik | 20 tons? |
| 21:05.46 | Dagmar | Getting a box to be quiet is a lot easier, although it leans towards buying a $100 case |
| 21:05.47 | Shirik | Is that the official metric for measurement of lag? |
| 21:05.52 | Fisker | it is |
| 21:05.58 | nevcairiel | I'm building me a htpc box out of old components, all it needs to be quiet is a new case and a new psu |
| 21:06.09 | Dashkal | _That_ is much more likely what I'll end up doing. Just getting a quiet case and cpu fan arrangement |
| 21:06.37 | Dagmar | Some rubber grommets, cushioned hard drive mounts, low-speed fans, and maybe some thin foam to line the side panels and you're down in whisper territory |
| 21:07.00 | nevcairiel | modern harddrives are really silent anyway |
| 21:07.17 | nevcairiel | and short of the cpu and psu fan, my plans are otherwise fanless |
| 21:07.27 | Dagmar | Head seeks still have this nasty tendency to make the case side panels resonate like a freaking bongo without the rubber grommets |
| 21:08.16 | nevcairiel | I wont be having data on the thing anyway |
| 21:08.21 | Dashkal | Much of this PCs noise is the CPU fan. The rest is the case fans |
| 21:08.25 | nevcairiel | GbE to my fileserver, or optical drive |
| 21:08.35 | Dagmar | I wound up buying some rubber sheeting and using it to make little shims to stick in between many pieces of metal the lat time I quieted a case |
| 21:08.46 | Dagmar | Of course, that makes grounding suck, but I soldered around that |
| 21:08.47 | Dashkal | Well, it'll also have to be the fileserver. My primary beast can't be depended on to be in any one OS at a time, or even on. |
| 21:09.08 | nevcairiel | I got a dedicated file server to avoid that stuff |
| 21:09.14 | Dashkal | But the drives I have are nice and quiet. |
| 21:09.19 | Dashkal | My budget isn't _that_ high./ |
| 21:09.25 | Dashkal | I'd rather save that cash for a better video card. |
| 21:09.27 | Dagmar | Same here, but my fileserver's case sounds can compete with my Roomba |
| 21:09.30 | nevcairiel | was a long term project |
| 21:09.46 | Fisker | can you still disable the main menu in WoW? |
| 21:10.03 | Dagmar | Dashkal: A dedicated file server is pretty easy actually. Craigslist. Find someone selling something "old" with several SATA ports |
| 21:10.04 | Fisker | i.e. the background of course |
| 21:11.37 | Dagmar | Dashkal: RAM on a fileserver is almost just a convenience |
| 21:11.39 | Dashkal | That could work. |
| 21:11.48 | Dashkal | oh crap, hmm. |
| 21:11.57 | Dagmar | "just" a gig of RAM handles quite a lot of disk cache |
| 21:12.00 | Dashkal | Looks like I will need to upgrade the ram in this thing. 1.5 isn't enough for heavy video encoding |
| 21:12.04 | nevcairiel | my fileserver has like 4gb of ram because i had the ddr2 around here |
| 21:12.22 | Dagmar | ust leaving the display in VESA mode or something and not running X, the OS overhead will easily be less than a third of it |
| 21:12.35 | Dashkal | A pair if 1g ddr2 sticks will leave that problem behind. Wonder who sells that in my area these days |
| 21:13.08 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Assuming someone's "please buy this from me" box is recent enough it might just come with a Gb in it |
| 21:13.09 | Dashkal | I could get the OS footprint far below even that if I ran a really stripped down deb or the like |
| 21:13.14 | Dagmar | Otherwise there's always Pricewatch |
| 21:13.25 | Dashkal | I think some of the parts stores around here still sell ddr2 |
| 21:13.36 | Dagmar | THat sounds like a way to pay extra money |
| 21:14.05 | Dashkal | I also have access to best buy staff pricing (connections are good). But I doubt that they'd carry 2 |
| 21:14.18 | Dagmar | Plus the lunkheads working at the parts counter tend to just give you blank looks or do the nod and smile when you ask about matched sticks |
| 21:14.20 | nevcairiel | 2 isnt that outdated yet |
| 21:14.40 | Dagmar | "of course they match, they're both DDR2" <-- I have actually heard this said to someone |
| 21:14.51 | Dagmar | Luckily for them it wasn't me they were saying it to |
| 21:14.51 | Dashkal | I got in the habit of buying them as pairs (as in two in one package) |
| 21:15.11 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Yeah but 1Gb is practically a placeholder stick now |
| 21:15.15 | nevcairiel | for dual-channel, thats even adviced to do |
| 21:15.39 | Dagmar | It's dodgy to *not* get them as matched pairs |
| 21:15.45 | Dashkal | Yeah, bestcrap has some. I'll see what it'll cost me on staff. Might be a way to go |
| 21:16.02 | Dagmar | A vendor might actually ship something faster than the spec they say, and even that will occasionally cause issues |
| 21:17.03 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 21:17.06 | Fisker | hello |
| 21:18.21 | Dagmar | It's a good thing you can set the timings really, really loose and the performance loss is still very low |
| 21:18.23 | msoul | that shit didn't happen when i was watching a movie :/ still login servers down |
| 21:20.36 | kapowaz | okay, so I'm running Dominos and I've decided I want to customise the buttons with a design of my own. Would I be right in thinking that the ButtonFacade addon is what I want for this? |
| 21:22.26 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 21:22.54 | Dagmar | It's even not as hard as it could be to make your own button skins |
| 21:22.56 | kapowaz | I don't suppose anyone can recommend a guide for what's needed to make custom button styles? |
| 21:23.06 | kapowaz | or anywhere where templates might be found? |
| 21:23.16 | Dagmar | There's a test button theme on CUrse IIRC and from there it's pretty self-explanatory |
| 21:23.37 | Dashkal | hmm, is there an easy way in linux to get it to cough up stats on my ram sticks? |
| 21:23.46 | Dagmar | Finding out WTF and when each layer shows up is something that'll probably take some poking at tho |
| 21:23.57 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Actually yes, gimme a moment to type some stuff so I can remember |
| 21:23.58 | kapowaz | yeah that's what I figured Dagmar |
| 21:24.04 | Dashkal | oh sweet |
| 21:24.07 | Dagmar | I *think* it might just be dmidecode off the top of my head |
| 21:24.38 | Dagmar | Yes. dmidecode will tell you (usually) what the SPD chips on the memory modules are saying |
| 21:24.49 | Dashkal | oh sweet |
| 21:25.49 | Dashkal | Thank you. A little annoying reading the stickers when you don't want to power down |
| 21:26.06 | Dagmar | Type 17 is "just" RAM afaik |
| 21:26.33 | Dagmar | I don't trust stickers anymore because of some modules that I've handled that were actually faster than what the sticker said |
| 21:27.26 | Dashkal | 17 isn't giving me timing information |
| 21:27.32 | Dagmar | ...plus that whole "shifty-ass vendor" issue when you're buying stuff that came from Chinese or Taiwanese (lesser degree) vendors |
| 21:28.15 | Thunder_Child | so, do we think the cata preview is a big massive april fools day joke? |
| 21:28.51 | Dashkal | I've yet to see a change I didn't like. |
| 21:29.03 | Thunder_Child | wel..mages got heroism... |
| 21:29.07 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Yeah you're limited to whatever the vendor felt like storing in the SPD chip |
| 21:29.08 | Thunder_Child | well* |
| 21:29.10 | Dashkal | And this is coming from a DK who lost his DPS spec |
| 21:29.39 | Dagmar | It won't matter terribly much when Cata hits |
| 21:29.58 | Dagmar | Purple gear > giving a damn about much when leveling to 85 |
| 21:30.18 | Kanedra | Bleh |
| 21:30.21 | Kanedra | As usual, it'll be a fine expansion |
| 21:30.32 | Kanedra | With more people starting to play the game |
| 21:30.36 | Dashkal | O.o No wonder my ram is so slow. I'm feeling really stupid. I misread the manual and I have them paired up wrong |
| 21:30.38 | Dagmar | ...and if I wind up replacing a single piece of gear before I'm 83 I will be absolutely ecstatic |
| 21:30.49 | Kanedra | ... thinking of that |
| 21:30.53 | Kanedra | I should build a DPS set for the leveling. |
| 21:30.56 | Dagmar | Dashkal: You had them one per bank in two banks? :) |
| 21:31.14 | Dashkal | erm, wait, no, maybe I do have it right |
| 21:31.38 | Dashkal | My board has one and three in yellow, two and four in orange. I matched the sticks by color |
| 21:31.44 | Dagmar | If you've got four slots of two colors, I've not seen a board where you didn't just populate one color first |
| 21:31.57 | Dagmar | Yeah you did fine then |
| 21:32.19 | Dashkal | In that cause either one of the pairs is slow as balls (entirely likely) or I just set it up wrong in bios |
| 21:32.28 | Dagmar | You might wanna check your BIOS and make sure it's actually running them at the best _speed_ available |
| 21:32.39 | Dagmar | SOme boards like to pick 200Mhz instead of 400Mhz |
| 21:32.59 | Dashkal | I'm still trying to figure out what speed the sticks are. I don't know because I bought them years ago |
| 21:33.10 | Dagmar | Just annoying enough to make it worth turning off 'auto' and manually setting things, or running CPU-Z after the fact to find out |
| 21:33.31 | Dagmar | CPU-Z (Win32) IIRC will attempt to tell you |
| 21:33.46 | Dashkal | Ok, found the packing for one pair. 2X512MB at 400 |
| 21:34.01 | Dashkal | (according to the sicker, of course) |
| 21:34.43 | Dashkal | Back in a bit. Rebooting to windows to run this tool |
| 21:35.03 | *** join/#wowuidev doc-saintly (~doc-saint@ip68-3-77-249.ph.ph.cox.net) |
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| 21:36.15 | doc-saintly | How do you manage the lag associated with a while loop? Is there a way to have it insert pauses? |
| 21:37.03 | Shirik | uh |
| 21:37.12 | Shirik | if you're asking that question, then whatever you're trying to do is wrong |
| 21:37.28 | Shirik | why don't we back up a step and figure out a better way for what you're trying to do |
| 21:37.48 | Dagmar | while causes lag? |
| 21:37.52 | doc-saintly | well, yea there's probably better ways, but i'm hoping to not have to write more complex stuff for this proof of concept. |
| 21:37.58 | Shadowed | It does if you do a while true Dagmar :P |
| 21:38.00 | doc-saintly | Shirik: basically, i'm parsing an auction house and copying the item strings |
| 21:38.05 | Dagmar | Sounds like someone's coded a spinlock |
| 21:38.29 | Dagmar | If SHirik doesn't know, Zorba might |
| 21:38.36 | nevcairiel | insert pauses sounds like coroutines :D |
| 21:38.37 | Shirik | the entire AH? |
| 21:38.39 | Dagmar | He did something to make QuestHelper able to go easy on the CPU |
| 21:38.43 | doc-saintly | Shirik: jsut 500 results |
| 21:38.48 | Shirik | but multiple pages |
| 21:38.55 | Shirik | you HAVE to wait for a response from the server, you can't just loop |
| 21:39.06 | doc-saintly | Shirik: then how do i go about doing that? |
| 21:39.07 | Shirik | you only get one page at a time |
| 21:39.17 | Shirik | there's an event that's fired when the server has sent you the page |
| 21:39.42 | doc-saintly | well, i have a mod that brings in 500 results on one page |
| 21:39.55 | Dagmar | If you do a fast et sort of thing you'll want it to gobble as much CPU as you can. Lag during that and *pR3sTo* you're disconnected |
| 21:40.02 | Dagmar | s/ et/ get/; |
| 21:40.09 | Shirik | whether or not that's what it looks like, it's still doing something different behind the scenes |
| 21:40.17 | Shirik | it might be using the batch get capability |
| 21:40.18 | doc-saintly | Shirik: i'm sure it is |
| 21:40.24 | doc-saintly | not the batch part |
| 21:40.27 | doc-saintly | i mean doing something behind the scenes |
| 21:40.35 | msoul | nevcairiel: you're still having issues logging in? |
| 21:40.35 | doc-saintly | thats why i was hoping for something like a 5ms wait time or something |
| 21:40.44 | nevcairiel | msoul: dunno, went to watch a movie |
| 21:41.05 | Shirik | it doesn't work like that |
| 21:41.10 | msoul | was watching hurt lockermyself |
| 21:41.12 | Shirik | when Lua is running, everything else stops |
| 21:41.27 | Dagmar | sleep() would not be your friend |
| 21:41.34 | doc-saintly | i see |
| 21:41.48 | Shirik | AUCTION_ITEM_LIST_UPDATE |
| 21:41.58 | Shirik | I believe that's the event that's fired when the information you requested is available |
| 21:44.05 | doc-saintly | and how do you deal with the memory? Can you have Lua take more? |
| 21:44.23 | doc-saintly | it looks like my thing would take up 25mb of memory :\ |
| 21:44.30 | doc-saintly | 500 strings * 50 chars. |
| 21:45.02 | Gagorian | umm what |
| 21:45.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (~dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 21:45.29 | Dagmar | 25Mb vs 2Gb RAM == drop in bucket |
| 21:45.43 | Dashkal | There, complete with irssi on windows. |
| 21:45.54 | doc-saintly | agreed. but when i ran my current code (despite the lag) it said not enough memory |
| 21:46.06 | Dashkal | Also *shudder* the crappy sticks are 133. |
| 21:46.07 | Gagorian | How do you figure that's 25MB? |
| 21:46.22 | doc-saintly | assumed 1 byte per char, 500 strings at 50 chars each |
| 21:46.42 | doc-saintly | 500*50=25000 / 1024 = 24.4141MB |
| 21:46.52 | Gagorian | Mega is million |
| 21:46.56 | Dagmar | averts his eyes at the sight of "1024" |
| 21:46.56 | doc-saintly | er wait, a bit off there |
| 21:47.01 | Dashkal | Yeah, and the good ones 200. If I want to upgrade, I'd be better off just crapping all four and starting over. More cash than I want to spare from the upgrade. |
| 21:47.09 | Dashkal | scrapping* |
| 21:47.12 | doc-saintly | then still, why would it say out of memory at 25KB |
| 21:47.34 | Iriel | Chances are you doing't something else wrong |
| 21:47.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Windaria (~Denial@unaffiliated/windaria) |
| 21:47.56 | Iriel | Also bear in mind that there's overhead per-string and per-table-entry |
| 21:48.03 | doc-saintly | true |
| 21:48.07 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Take heart in that 1Gb sticks are now bottom of the barrel |
| 21:48.11 | doc-saintly | http://pastebin.com/rFSz5xww |
| 21:48.11 | nevcairiel | out of memory usually means you either fill the stack up with stuff, or you managed to hit the table key limit |
| 21:48.26 | Dashkal | Yeah, I |
| 21:48.29 | Dagmar | Iv'e got like 12 in my desk at work that we can't even stick in someone's desktop for giggles because they're either registered or parity |
| 21:48.58 | Dashkal | I just need to get my hands on 4 cheap 400 ones. My mobo manual at least claims to support that. |
| 21:48.58 | Dagmar | I still have hope that someone's bargain colo server will blow out a stick |
| 21:49.05 | Iriel | wouldn't you want print(#items) at the end? |
| 21:49.13 | doc-saintly | er, yea lol |
| 21:49.21 | Dashkal | But this definitely explains my texture load lag. |
| 21:49.35 | Iriel | what's the deal with the _'s ? |
| 21:49.42 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Dunno how old your CPU is but yhou might wanna make sure it's not the limting factor there |
| 21:49.45 | doc-saintly | was sample code, didn't bother to change it |
| 21:49.46 | Iriel | Strange personal preferenace? |
| 21:49.53 | doc-saintly | of the game dev heh. |
| 21:49.58 | nevcairiel | some people are just that, strange %) |
| 21:50.12 | Dashkal | AMD Athalon 64 X2 4600+. Windows XP 32 bit OS for gaming |
| 21:50.14 | doc-saintly | i'm trying to create a proof of concept, and want to avoid doing optimisations before i'm sure it will work |
| 21:50.30 | Dashkal | (I won't mind not having access to all 4gigs in windows, that's more for linux anyway) |
| 21:50.31 | Dagmar | Oh. In that case you should glare at someone for not putting in PC3200 to begin with |
| 21:50.47 | Dashkal | points at himself |
| 21:50.48 | Iriel | You skip entry 1 in your array |
| 21:50.50 | Iriel | Which is odd |
| 21:50.59 | Iriel | and may well cause #items to return 0 |
| 21:51.00 | Dashkal | My two good ones are PC3200 512g sticks |
| 21:51.02 | doc-saintly | Iriel: what do you mean? |
| 21:51.12 | Iriel | line 6 adds 1 to counter |
| 21:51.22 | Iriel | than in line 10 you use counter + 1 |
| 21:51.29 | Iriel | so your first entry goes into items[2] |
| 21:51.30 | nevcairiel | Iriel: but counter starts at 0 |
| 21:51.34 | Dashkal | My two old ones (and I was the twit who picked them) are PC2100 256mb sticks |
| 21:51.40 | Dashkal | 512mb, not g |
| 21:51.45 | Iriel | waits.... |
| 21:51.46 | doc-saintly | that is true, i should move the counter increment to the end |
| 21:51.54 | nevcairiel | Iriel: nvm, missed the +1 in the table assign :P |
| 21:52.00 | Iriel | grins. |
| 21:52.06 | nevcairiel | yeah yeah |
| 21:52.11 | nevcairiel | goes back to his movie |
| 21:52.12 | Iriel | You'd be better off leaving the increment where it is |
| 21:52.13 | Dagmar | IF you had somehow purchased 256Gb sticks I would have to smack you |
| 21:52.16 | Iriel | and removing the +1 in the index |
| 21:52.23 | Dashkal | heh |
| 21:52.30 | Dashkal | mmm, quarter terabyte of RAM |
| 21:52.42 | doc-saintly | Iriel: I suppose. guess i was trying to avoid the table starting at 0 |
| 21:52.44 | Iriel | For the sake of debugging, stick 'and counter < 1000 |
| 21:52.48 | doc-saintly | i thought i read that in lua, table entries start at 1 |
| 21:52.50 | Iriel | on your while loop |
| 21:52.52 | Iriel | THey do |
| 21:52.53 | Gagorian | Wait.. is this Runes of Magic again? |
| 21:52.55 | Iriel | they start at 1, not at 2. |
| 21:53.02 | doc-saintly | holy shit |
| 21:53.06 | doc-saintly | lol. |
| 21:53.11 | Dashkal | Now that I see what I did, I can't help but wonder if I'd be better just removing the 256 sticks and getting 200MHz out of the other two. |
| 21:53.12 | doc-saintly | i had it print the length as it went along |
| 21:53.16 | doc-saintly | it stopped at 4194305 |
| 21:53.20 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: mmm http://htop.sourceforge.net/128.png |
| 21:53.21 | doc-saintly | so i think that may be the problem :S |
| 21:53.25 | Iriel | Indeed |
| 21:53.29 | Dagmar | doc-saintly: THAT is considerably more than 25k then |
| 21:53.36 | Gagorian | Well in general while loops can cause shit like that |
| 21:53.41 | Iriel | I think your termination condition is flawed |
| 21:53.48 | nevcairiel | thats even more then fits in a WoW table, though |
| 21:53.55 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: Very nice :) Far more than I could use on a desktop, though. |
| 21:53.57 | doc-saintly | shouldn't be :S the docs say that when GetAuctioNBrowseItem... doesn't find anything it returns nil |
| 21:53.59 | Dashkal | That from a cluster? |
| 21:54.11 | doc-saintly | and because i'm setting itemlink to that, it should evalutate to false when it hits the end |
| 21:54.15 | Dagmar | doc-saintly: There are those who would say you should be checking for weird crap like that |
| 21:55.03 | Dagmar | Dashkal: COnsidering the amount of RAM you have I'd say you probably don't want to toss any out |
| 21:55.08 | Dagmar | Disk caching is way, way slower |
| 21:55.36 | doc-saintly | Dagmar: agreed. i plan to make this much better, i promise. but i'm not even sure if i'll release the mod. |
| 21:55.48 | doc-saintly | i probably won't take the time to make a nice UI, and thus it might not be usable by everyone |
| 21:56.14 | Dagmar | Someone _else_ might tho if you comment the rest well enough |
| 21:56.17 | Dagmar | h |
| 21:56.20 | doc-saintly | true. |
| 21:56.24 | Fisker | this is odd |
| 21:57.06 | Dashkal | Dagmar: Yeah. I'll check tonight if I can get anything reasonably cheap. |
| 21:57.18 | Dashkal | I just need to write down a couple SKUs and ask for prices |
| 21:57.31 | Dagmar | Dashkal: The answer to that will probably be "no" if you go to BestBuy like you mentioned earlier |
| 21:57.48 | doc-saintly | not to be rude, but why are we talking about ancient ram? |
| 21:57.52 | Fisker | for some reason my WoW client has noticable lag/performance issues everytime i start the client up, and the more clients i start the worse (It already semi-hangs the system at 3 copies) |
| 21:58.02 | Dagmar | hehe hbecause he's running it and working through a possible upgrade |
| 21:58.17 | Fisker | but for some reason it's not happening on the PTR client |
| 21:58.19 | Dagmar | Fisker: Are these all running from the same directory? |
| 21:58.35 | Fisker | yeah Dagmar |
| 21:58.39 | Dagmar | Fail. |
| 21:58.40 | doc-saintly | Fisker: <.< |
| 21:58.48 | doc-saintly | lol, look at the disk queue on the drive and watch what you're doing |
| 21:59.08 | Dagmar | FIsker: Think carefully about what happens when you have more than one process writing and reading from the cache with nothing communicating between the two |
| 21:59.12 | Dashkal | Dagmar: Staff pricing is wonderful. |
| 21:59.21 | Fisker | so explain me again why this happen on only the live client? |
| 21:59.23 | Dashkal | The amount of markup is obscene |
| 21:59.26 | Dagmar | Dashkal: I'll stick with regular visits from the nice UPS lady |
| 21:59.54 | Dagmar | Fisker: Maybe they implemented some simple locking mechanism for the multi-boxers |
| 21:59.55 | Dashkal | After looking at the selection available, I think I'll have to as well |
| 22:00.03 | Dashkal | Anybody familiar with PNY? |
| 22:00.04 | Dagmar | I just know I've seen 'em carping about that issue on the forums in the past |
| 22:00.05 | Fisker | infact it still happens if i put the retail client on 2 different drives and run each seperately |
| 22:00.15 | Dagmar | Dashkal: A reasonable economy line |
| 22:01.06 | Dagmar | Generally I stick with Kingston, Corsair, or PNY, not necessarily in that order. |
| 22:01.12 | Dagmar | Mainly I go for Corsair |
| 22:01.17 | nevcairiel | why would the OS care if you load the same file twice, or two different files |
| 22:01.20 | Dashkal | I've had good success with kingston |
| 22:01.22 | nevcairiel | disc action is the same |
| 22:01.39 | Dashkal | But yeah, Corsair is a brand I've never heard bad of. I'll be looking at that for my new pc |
| 22:01.44 | Dagmar | nevcariel: ALthough it's unrelated to the issue at hand, I'd hazard because "Windows file locking is retarded" |
| 22:02.03 | Dagmar | re-tar-ded. |
| 22:02.07 | doc-saintly | well, even that aside, you'll have 4 programs trying toa ccess different portions of the same 15gb of data |
| 22:02.11 | Fisker | I've had 2 batches of failed Corsair memory now :( |
| 22:02.53 | nevcairiel | doc-saintly: still doesnt really matter if they access the same data, or different data .. can only perform a read operation at a timne anyway :d |
| 22:03.21 | nevcairiel | actually, less far seeking if its the same file! |
| 22:03.31 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Last I checked tho, the client gets a little snippy if it's reading the cache (not disk cache, the game's cache) while another copy is writing to the same part |
| 22:03.41 | nevcairiel | well, i guess |
| 22:03.51 | nevcairiel | but someone said it would cry about disk io |
| 22:04.05 | Arrowmaster | ive used corsair before and had excellent results, currently using some G.Skill ram my 3x2GB sticks are in reality only reporting 6122100 kB which kinda pisses me off |
| 22:04.08 | Dagmar | Someone probably needs to buy some hardware made in this century then |
| 22:04.18 | doc-saintly | nevcairiel: that's my point, is that you'll have 4 processes trying to read from the same drive |
| 22:04.21 | doc-saintly | use different drives etc |
| 22:04.38 | nevcairiel | not everyone has 4 drives to run 4 copys of wow :P |
| 22:04.42 | Dagmar | doc-saintly: Mainly they don't get to read the disk directly |
| 22:04.43 | doc-saintly | i know, but at least 2, |
| 22:04.50 | Fisker | does login work yet nevcairiel ? |
| 22:04.53 | doc-saintly | and i think that people who want to run 4 copies of wow are more likely to have ab etter rig |
| 22:05.23 | nevcairiel | a wow thats not rendering and just sitting in follow mode isnt really using resources |
| 22:05.27 | Dagmar | ALmost no one aggressively runs sync() after each write (because it's DUMB) so most anything like that which is just read operations to muliple processes will be coming from disk cache in memory, which isn't going to really invovle the disk much |
| 22:05.58 | doc-saintly | is that for botting or pleveling? or for playing multi chars? |
| 22:06.01 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: sqlite is known for being spammy on sync() |
| 22:06.13 | nevcairiel | botting is illegal |
| 22:06.18 | Dagmar | If you are short on RAM becuase you're running four goddamn copies of the client in say, 2Gb, you will experience the pain of having no disk cache to speak of |
| 22:06.48 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: They're not exactly in use by big, big operations afaik tho |
| 22:06.59 | Arrowmaster | firefox.... |
| 22:07.05 | Fisker | Firesux |
| 22:07.15 | Dagmar | oh that's just hot pipes as far as I know |
| 22:07.31 | Dagmar | I was talking about the OS-level sync() that just makes it dump all write caches to disk NAO |
| 22:07.32 | nevcairiel | firefox isnt really a big operation |
| 22:07.45 | nevcairiel | it only reacts to user input |
| 22:08.44 | Dagmar | I was thinking small operations in the sense of amatuer admins running the things with no UPS and a questionable kernel so not writing nice clean records to disk frequently is more likely to result in "horrifying table corruption" |
| 22:08.46 | Dashkal | Dagmar: Thank you very much for the help. Now to go get a gamecard so I can finally feed my addiction again |
| 22:09.16 | doc-saintly | damn... improperly documented APIs are very annoying |
| 22:09.17 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Heh. Catch me a week or two after my next upgrade and I'll be able to cite all the details about this stuff from memory |
| 22:09.24 | Dashkal | *snickers* |
| 22:09.36 | Dashkal | I'm crossing my fingers that I'll be able to do my major next month |
| 22:09.49 | Dagmar | I tend to spend about 40 hours of research making damn sure my knowledge is SotA before I order a new rig |
| 22:09.55 | doc-saintly | my error is that the command said it was AuctionItemLink(Page,Item) |
| 22:10.05 | doc-saintly | but it turns out if you give a wrong page, it assumes its page 1 |
| 22:10.15 | doc-saintly | its actually AuctionItemLink(Item,Page) |
| 22:11.01 | Arrowmaster | !api auctionitemlink |
| 22:11.02 | lua_bot | GetAuctionItemLink: Returns a hyperlink for an item in an auction listing (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetAuctionItemLink) |
| 22:12.19 | Arrowmaster | are you sure about that? |
| 22:12.31 | doc-saintly | i'm not using the wow api, but something else that is close |
| 22:12.36 | zenzelezz | meh, login servers down... |
| 22:13.42 | Adys | So, knowing that the web of the 90s is seen as a clusterfuck of under construction animated smileys and other blink/marquee tags |
| 22:13.52 | industrial | status on EU login? |
| 22:13.55 | Adys | What do you think the web of the 2000s will be seen as |
| 22:14.07 | Adys | - A clusterfuck of flash ads |
| 22:14.07 | doc-saintly | lens flares and flash "web designs" |
| 22:14.17 | Adys | - Thousands of websites asking you to log in to do every little thing |
| 22:14.22 | Fisker | blows up a zenzelezz |
| 22:14.43 | industrial | ads? not on my internets |
| 22:14.46 | Adys | - ShareIt buttons with giant digg/myspace/facebook/reddit/slashdot/igoogle/upyourass it |
| 22:14.48 | industrial | I haven't seen ads in maybe 10 years |
| 22:14.51 | industrial | :p |
| 22:15.06 | Arrowmaster | those ShareIt buttons are fucking stupid imho |
| 22:15.25 | Adys | Fucking stupid is a pretty forgiving description for them |
| 22:15.28 | industrial | you know whats stupid? companies copying eachother to be 'in the race' |
| 22:15.40 | industrial | twitter? WE ALL NEED MICROMESSAGING NOW |
| 22:15.54 | industrial | and then later 'lets link them so you have the same message on all services' |
| 22:15.54 | Adys | here's an idea, lets limit irc to 140 chars |
| 22:16.11 | industrial | Irc messages are already limited to a number of chars |
| 22:16.25 | zenzelezz | but it's not necessarily the same between server software |
| 22:16.40 | Arrowmaster | its mostly the same |
| 22:16.57 | industrial | microblogging on irc: "/me" |
| 22:16.58 | Dagmar | Adys: Yuck. Let's not |
| 22:17.06 | industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.15 | Adys | Dagmar: and lets link twitter to irc messages too |
| 22:17.15 | Dagmar | At least we generally get a numeric now about what the server will tolerate in line-lengths |
| 22:17.25 | Dagmar | Adys: Let's definitely not do that |
| 22:17.36 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: we do? |
| 22:17.40 | Adys | Dagmar: also make IRC require a twitter account |
| 22:17.51 | industrial | Adys: nickserve |
| 22:18.09 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I seen it! DUnno if Freenode is doing it but I saw it and a charset message on one server I was on |
| 22:18.15 | Dagmar | (Yes, sometimes I just telnet into the things) |
| 22:18.34 | industrial | so, can I log out yet on the EU servers? |
| 22:18.40 | industrial | wanna write/test addons :< |
| 22:18.52 | Arrowmaster | CASEMAPPING=rfc1459 CHARSET=ascii |
| 22:18.58 | Arrowmaster | from freenodes 005 |
| 22:19.05 | industrial | I'm logged in waiting for the server reset so I can do my random HC for frost badges for my nest t10 piece :p |
| 22:19.06 | Adys | industrial: doesnt work |
| 22:19.09 | industrial | k |
| 22:19.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Gagorian (~k@104-172.turkunet.fi) |
| 22:19.43 | Arrowmaster | never seen a message length before, but thats completely dependent on your own nickname length too and afaik it was the same across all ircd's |
| 22:20.47 | Gintaro | silly login server |
| 22:20.50 | Gintaro | what do I do now?! |
| 22:21.35 | nevcairiel | irc messages are limited to 512 chars, including all metadata like command, target, etc. thats the only limit for messages i know of |
| 22:23.25 | Arrowmaster | i think that includes the \n at the end too |
| 22:23.56 | doc-saintly | How do you print a boolean? |
| 22:24.15 | doc-saintly | whenver i try to concatenate it i get a conversion error, why doesn't it do it automatically? |
| 22:24.17 | Arrowmaster | lua> print(true) |
| 22:24.18 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: true |
| 22:24.31 | Arrowmaster | lua> print("bool: " .. true) |
| 22:24.31 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: attempt to concatenate a boolean value |
| 22:24.39 | Arrowmaster | lua> print("bool: " .. tostring(true)) |
| 22:24.42 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: bool: true |
| 22:25.17 | Arrowmaster | it only attempts automatic tostring()'ing of numbers |
| 22:25.34 | Arrowmaster | and even then its wasteful and using string.format is better |
| 22:27.04 | doc-saintly | heh, thanks Arrowmaster. apparently i had a mod that was redefining print (very poorly apparently) |
| 22:27.17 | Iriel | the wow one will tostring whatever you give it |
| 22:27.36 | nevcairiel | the wow one also doesnt need concating |
| 22:27.39 | Arrowmaster | only individual arguments |
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| 22:28.41 | Tawmeh | Hello to the board |
| 22:29.59 | Tawmeh | no one there? |
| 22:30.21 | Tawmeh | I'm looking to discuss the possiblilties of a world of wacraft addon |
| 22:31.24 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 22:32.44 | Adys | http://whythatsdelightful.wordpress.com/2010/04/10/duh-bill/ |
| 22:34.24 | Tawmeh | (wondering if it it's possible to) Write data to an XML file periodicly through an addon.. |
| 22:34.34 | nevcairiel | no |
| 22:34.36 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:35.13 | Tawmeh | Can only save data to a file as varriables on log out? |
| 22:35.30 | Iriel | logout or UI reload |
| 22:36.10 | Tawmeh | no other data may be saved to file? |
| 22:36.23 | nevcairiel | nop |
| 22:36.34 | nevcairiel | you have no access to file io |
| 22:36.34 | Adys | save whatever you want in a table |
| 22:36.55 | Adys | more importantly, tell us what you exactly want to do |
| 22:37.05 | Adys | and we'll tell you whether it's possible and/or legal |
| 22:37.18 | nevcairiel | you know what would be really evil, if every addon had to maintain its own SV in a way |
| 22:37.27 | nevcairiel | including file io |
| 22:37.29 | Tawmeh | I was looking to integrate things onto my website. |
| 22:37.32 | doc-saintly | Is while itemLink do ... end valid if i'm expecting it to stop when itemLink is nil? |
| 22:37.46 | Adys | yes doc-saintly |
| 22:37.52 | doc-saintly | ergh. it's not stopping :S |
| 22:38.01 | nevcairiel | maybe it doesng go nil |
| 22:38.04 | Adys | then you're doing something wrong |
| 22:38.40 | Gagorian | If you can get the total amount of items, you could use a for loop |
| 22:38.59 | Gagorian | Personally I avoid while loops when possible |
| 22:39.11 | doc-saintly | nevcairiel: well, the script only errors out because it gets to a line where it's trying to use the variable that i'm counting on to be nil, and it complains that it is nil. |
| 22:39.17 | Adys | while = iterate over time; for = iterate over items |
| 22:39.19 | Adys | thats my policy |
| 22:39.23 | Adys | tends to be |
| 22:39.29 | doc-saintly | Adys: and when you don't know how many items you have? |
| 22:39.42 | Adys | doc-saintly: show some code :p |
| 22:40.08 | Gintaro | Gah! How am I supposed to watch G.U. Trilogy without working audio! |
| 22:40.09 | Adys | i dont know how many items i have in an arbitrary table but a for loop doesnt care, it can still iterate over it |
| 22:40.17 | Gintaro | silly flac codec complaining about alsa |
| 22:40.36 | doc-saintly | Adys: the items are not in a table accessible by me |
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| 22:40.40 | Adys | on the other hand, if i dont know how many items i WANT from a specific table, a while loop might be more appropriate |
| 22:40.51 | nevcairiel | Adys: thats technically not a "for" in the conservative way, rather a foreach |
| 22:40.57 | Adys | either way, you usually want a for loop |
| 22:41.12 | doc-saintly | Adys: again, this all assumes you have a table or know how many items you're working with |
| 22:41.17 | Adys | yes, well, obscure deprecated languages can suck my shiny metal keyword |
| 22:41.32 | doc-saintly | that seems like an unrelated comment |
| 22:41.34 | Adys | doc-saintly: I cant do much more than assuming, given that you still havent shown us code :P |
| 22:41.39 | nevcairiel | when someone says for-loop, i think about for i=1,10 do.. |
| 22:41.44 | doc-saintly | i did show code a while ago |
| 22:41.47 | doc-saintly | i'll post the newer one though |
| 22:41.48 | nevcairiel | not about for key in pairs().. |
| 22:42.09 | Adys | this is why i love python |
| 22:42.11 | foxlit | for(Value v : Collection<Value> c)! |
| 22:42.20 | foxlit | except that's backwards, so hah. |
| 22:42.20 | Adys | range()++ |
| 22:43.02 | Fisker | does blow up nevcairiel |
| 22:43.19 | doc-saintly | http://pastebin.com/AYNHSq8j |
| 22:43.32 | doc-saintly | it used to go to 501, but now it stops at 23 |
| 22:43.34 | nevcairiel | Fisker: abuse someone else as your blow-up doll, they are cheap in stores, too |
| 22:43.46 | Adys | as usual fisker does all the blowing |
| 22:43.54 | Adys | beat me to it nevcairiel |
| 22:44.17 | Adys | (or, for the more perverted ones amongst us, beat it to me nevcairiel) |
| 22:44.27 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:44.28 | industrial | hahahaha |
| 22:44.53 | nevcairiel | see who reacted there now |
| 22:44.54 | Gintaro | Isn't that just being lazy? |
| 22:45.23 | Adys | doc-saintly: what the hell is this weird indentation :P |
| 22:45.41 | foxlit | it's clearly to deter python developers |
| 22:45.45 | industrial | nevcairiel: Seems other people feel pressure not to say anything.. since everyones perverted. |
| 22:45.49 | Adys | You itch me, foxlit |
| 22:46.00 | nevcairiel | it clearly deters any kind of sane developer |
| 22:46.08 | nevcairiel | i actually had to search for the start of the while loop |
| 22:46.13 | doc-saintly | hah true. |
| 22:46.23 | doc-saintly | problem is i've been slamming around the code to test stuff and wasn't paying atetntion to the indents |
| 22:46.33 | doc-saintly | the ide is in game and doesn't support tabbing, i got tired of hitting space 5 times |
| 22:46.34 | Adys | !api getauctionbrowse |
| 22:46.42 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'getauctionbrowse'. |
| 22:46.50 | Adys | really |
| 22:46.54 | nevcairiel | Adys: he abuses us for his silly other game |
| 22:47.10 | nevcairiel | RoM or what its called |
| 22:47.17 | Adys | ah. |
| 22:47.18 | doc-saintly | if i'm annoying you guys and pushing the bounds just let me know. i heard from other devs that you guys didn't mind |
| 22:47.37 | nevcairiel | apparently it doesnt have a community to speak of =P |
| 22:47.42 | Adys | doc-saintly: verify getauctionbrowsewhatever doesn't return something else than nil if it should be nil |
| 22:47.43 | Adys | like 0 |
| 22:47.47 | foxlit | Just prefix everything with [RoM] so we don't whine at you for API usage :) |
| 22:47.53 | Adys | i think lua handles 0 as true |
| 22:47.55 | industrial | doc-saintly: never. |
| 22:48.02 | nevcairiel | yeah, 0 is true |
| 22:48.05 | nevcairiel | only false/nil are false |
| 22:48.07 | doc-saintly | Adys: indeed. |
| 22:48.19 | doc-saintly | i udnerstand that, i'm pretty sure its nil (api says so) but i guess i sohuld check that |
| 22:48.23 | doc-saintly | and pardon my spelling |
| 22:48.34 | Adys | dont worry |
| 22:48.37 | nevcairiel | If they copied the WoW inconsistencys as well, it can be anything :d |
| 22:48.42 | Adys | foxlit and i are the only grammar nazis awake at this hour |
| 22:48.56 | industrial | In other news, seems the EU login is up. |
| 22:48.57 | doc-saintly | i usually am too :S, i'm just not paying full attention to my typing hehe. |
| 22:48.58 | olafski | blurgh wtb login server.. I haven't done my transmutes or gotten a raptor tooth yet today =( |
| 22:49.01 | olafski | ooh |
| 22:49.06 | nevcairiel | login is still down? |
| 22:49.11 | industrial | I see ppl log in now |
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| 22:49.24 | olafski | cheers industrial :) |
| 22:49.26 | nevcairiel | i am somewhere stock in pit of saron :d |
| 22:49.32 | nevcairiel | but too lazy to move out now |
| 22:49.35 | nevcairiel | tomorrow is a day too |
| 22:49.42 | olafski | very true |
| 22:49.45 | nevcairiel | also wtf raptor tooth? |
| 22:50.05 | Adys | horde daily wintersaber thingy |
| 22:50.12 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 22:50.20 | industrial | need 1 badge for 2pt10 :( waiting for server reset for random HC :P |
| 22:50.22 | nevcairiel | silly horde |
| 22:50.53 | olafski | 20 dailies vs a gazillion repeated quests.. :( |
| 22:51.13 | nevcairiel | at least the one thing you can farm over a weekend :D |
| 22:51.28 | olafski | guess that could be seen as an advantage |
| 22:51.29 | Gintaro | oeh! login server fixed! |
| 22:51.30 | olafski | I'm doing both |
| 22:51.46 | nevcairiel | that really took them quite a while today |
| 22:52.41 | Gintaro | Now I can AFK in Dalaran again |
| 22:53.06 | doc-saintly | http://pastebin.com/jTargYXT |
| 22:53.32 | doc-saintly | The last bit is 500 : GOT HERE! : String : [Link] : 501 : bad arg (string expected, got nil) |
| 22:53.39 | doc-saintly | i don't understand how it can't print "GOT HERE" |
| 22:54.00 | nevcairiel | I would argue the 501 is from the print after the loop |
| 22:54.07 | nevcairiel | and your error from something else |
| 22:54.13 | doc-saintly | how would it do that in that order |
| 22:54.20 | doc-saintly | if it errors it wouldn't print the length at the end, right? |
| 22:54.43 | nevcairiel | maybe it errors afterwards somewhere? :d |
| 22:54.53 | nevcairiel | doesnt that thing show you which line errors? |
| 22:55.25 | doc-saintly | it gives me a bogus line number :\ and the ide isn't that great and doesn't show them. |
| 22:55.32 | Iriel | You messed counter up again |
| 22:55.44 | Arrowmaster | ide? what ide? |
| 22:55.47 | doc-saintly | strange though, i just copied it out to notepad++ and did some reformatting and it works now :S |
| 22:55.52 | Iriel | I dont know why you didn't follow my earlier suggestion to leave the increment (now line 20) where it was |
| 22:55.54 | doc-saintly | Arrowmaster: the game has a mod that lets you edit / run Lua code |
| 22:56.00 | Iriel | But you have 18 and 20 in the wrong order |
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| 22:56.50 | doc-saintly | true. i think i got it now though, this ide wasn't showing some characters that were "there" i guess |
| 22:57.04 | Gintaro | When are they adding another use for dalaran cooking awards? |
| 22:57.58 | nevcairiel | buy a second hat |
| 22:58.03 | nevcairiel | or stop doing the daily |
| 22:58.31 | doc-saintly | Iriel: i read that ipairs doesn't handle tables that start at 0 |
| 22:59.16 | Torhal | doc-saintly: Arrays in Lua start at 1 |
| 22:59.24 | Torhal | 0 is user-space |
| 22:59.41 | doc-saintly | Torhal: yes i know that |
| 22:59.56 | doc-saintly | what i understand is Iriel is telling me to start my array at 0 |
| 23:00.01 | nevcairiel | eh, 0 isnt anything special |
| 23:00.01 | Iriel | No |
| 23:00.02 | foxlit | What fires when you lose party leadership? |
| 23:00.12 | Iriel | I'm telling you not to add counter == 0 twice |
| 23:00.14 | nevcairiel | it just happens to be used on frames for the userdata proxy |
| 23:00.30 | foxlit | My unitframes still haven't figured that out, never successfully hiding the crown once its time is up |
| 23:01.01 | doc-saintly | Iriel: http://pastebin.com/TtDLVmUq <- i don't see where i'm adding it twice. i set it to 0, i do an item and put it in counter+1 index of my new table |
| 23:01.08 | doc-saintly | the reason i do this is that the table i am parsing starts at 0 |
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| 23:01.32 | doc-saintly | so i want mine to start at 1, which is why it's items[counter+1], |
| 23:01.37 | Adys | http://www.labandepasdessinee.com/bpd/324-les-medecins-nous-prennent-ils-pour-des-cons |
| 23:01.57 | nevcairiel | google translate doesnt work on images Adys :( |
| 23:02.58 | Adys | i dont care, it's awesome and i wont translate it |
| 23:03.11 | nevcairiel | but its french |
| 23:03.15 | nevcairiel | cant be that awesome |
| 23:03.17 | Adys | yes well |
| 23:03.29 | nevcairiel | its actually pretty lame, i dont understand it at all |
| 23:03.29 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 23:03.44 | Adys | i can now bedge in awe as you will just stand there unable to understand a thing |
| 23:03.49 | Adys | victorious as ever |
| 23:04.20 | nevcairiel | my school french has never been usable in any way |
| 23:04.25 | nevcairiel | wonder how i passed the class |
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| 23:07.45 | jnwhiteh | http://www.swfme.com/view/1046212 |
| 23:08.03 | Iriel | doc-saintly: Stop fixating on the array index, that's correct now (even though I wouldn't do it in that order) -- Look at the value of counter when you call GetAuctionBrowseItemLink the first and second time |
| 23:08.11 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: hahaha someone actually made that? :D |
| 23:08.16 | jnwhiteh | [=) |
| 23:08.31 | industrial | rofl |
| 23:08.35 | industrial | wow |
| 23:08.36 | industrial | :d |
| 23:08.46 | nevcairiel | xkcd is so much win |
| 23:09.06 | industrial | I knew the comic, this is great =D |
| 23:09.38 | doc-saintly | Iriel: i gotchya now, thanks. |
| 23:10.02 | Adys | OMG |
| 23:10.03 | Adys | NO |
| 23:10.05 | doc-saintly | i don't usually do my while's this way so i kept thinking i was grabbing the itemlink at the beginning of the loop |
| 23:10.15 | Adys | jnwhiteh: NOOO :( |
| 23:11.56 | Adys | hey that is so poorly done |
| 23:12.10 | Adys | i can bounce the pieces against the wall before it reaches the other pieces |
| 23:13.48 | Adys | yeah wtf kind of gravity is that |
| 23:14.00 | nevcairiel | yeah gravity needs soem work |
| 23:14.10 | nevcairiel | also, when you keep the down key down, it wont ever quit |
| 23:14.15 | Shirik | Signs you've been working with XML too much lately: |
| 23:14.15 | nevcairiel | just add more pieces |
| 23:14.19 | Shirik | You typo </3 into </3> |
| 23:14.53 | nevcairiel | does that go with a <3>? |
| 23:15.24 | industrial | 'I start loving you' ? |
| 23:16.12 | industrial | or 'our love is entering a new level' ? :p |
| 23:16.15 | Shirik | yes nevcairiel |
| 23:16.15 | Adys | BAH |
| 23:16.19 | Adys | nevcairiel: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/dammit.png |
| 23:16.23 | Adys | it was going so well |
| 23:16.27 | Adys | gravity does need work =( |
| 23:16.27 | zenzelezz | industrial: love = love or love+1 |
| 23:17.19 | Shirik | zenzelezz: error: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value |
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| 23:17.50 | zenzelezz | meh. I should've done another language |
| 23:18.04 | nevcairiel | love = love or -hate |
| 23:18.05 | nevcairiel | :d |
| 23:21.04 | DWSR | Quickly. |
| 23:21.18 | DWSR | Need suggestions on a new phone to buy. Not a BB or iP, full QWERTY keyboard. |
| 23:21.34 | doc-saintly | DWSR: depends on the network, go to phonescoop.com |
| 23:21.42 | doc-saintly | you can enter your criteria and search |
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| 23:22.09 | doc-saintly | DWSR: personally, i've found that touchscreen / full qwerty are a bit harder to come by now, i'm about to get the samsung moment (with android) on sprint |
| 23:22.11 | DWSR | doc-saintly: 3G networks > *. Can has any GSM phone I wants. |
| 23:22.28 | doc-saintly | DWSR: yep, you can specify the band of the cell |
| 23:22.43 | doc-saintly | but thats the point, is you need to specify GSM over CDMA |
| 23:23.06 | DWSR | Pft. Only works with US carriers. |
| 23:23.08 | DWSR | Your site is FAIL., |
| 23:23.12 | DWSR | ~epic fail doc-saintly |
| 23:23.13 | purl | doc-saintly, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you doc-saintly, you are that epic failure. |
| 23:23.23 | doc-saintly | DWSR: you must be very bored. |
| 23:23.24 | zenzelezz | I don't think there are many decent full-keyboard phones right now |
| 23:23.34 | doc-saintly | zenzelezz: i agree :\ touchscreen is all the rage |
| 23:23.36 | zenzelezz | there's the Milestone, think that's keyboard? |
| 23:24.05 | doc-saintly | http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/finder_results.php?m=s&w=s&avr=r&av_2=y&f58r=r&f58_1=y&f58_2=y |
| 23:25.31 | Iriel | DWSR: The G1? it's a bit slow but it has a keyboard. |
| 23:26.10 | zenzelezz | don't think you can get the G1 easily anymore; in EU anyway. Would rather get the Milestone, that's at least 2.x |
| 23:26.37 | DWSR | zenzelezz: I'm in Canada. |
| 23:26.57 | zenzelezz | wait, you can't use a US search if you're in Canada? I thought you used the same sort of networks? |
| 23:27.10 | DWSR | Carriers are both different. |
| 23:28.18 | Thunder_Child | just another strike against canada |
| 23:28.29 | DWSR | Similar technology. |
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| 23:29.24 | doc-saintly | DWSR: maybe you should try phonescoop.ca, oh wait, it's just a junk site :P |
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| 23:30.40 | Arrowmaster | Adys: think you could take a look at dataminer.lua in svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/libperiodictable-3-1/mainline/trunk and give an idea of the amount of work needed to convert it to using your site? and if youve got the data its looking for? |
| 23:30.57 | Adys | sure sec. |
| 23:31.38 | Arrowmaster | seems wowhead changed their site or something and that dataminer is currently just encountering errors or removing data, not finding anything new |
| 23:32.10 | Adys | Arrowmaster: i can provide you with readily available exports if you want |
| 23:32.16 | Adys | depends what you need |
| 23:32.17 | Adys | sec |
| 23:32.42 | Adys | what do you need precisely? |
| 23:33.02 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 23:33.23 | doc-saintly | if hashes["A"] then hashes["A"]="EXISTS" else hashes["B"]="DOESNT EXIST";print(hashes["B"]) <- what am i missing? |
| 23:33.29 | Arrowmaster | toadkiller just said that the dataminer wasnt working properly anymore so i decided to take a look at it, never messed with this before |
| 23:33.48 | Adys | well, if you give me lists of things you want, i can give you json exports |
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| 23:37.22 | Adys | for example i dunno, if you want a list of tradeskill recipes available from shattered sun in jewelcrafting i can get you that at http://db.mmo-champion.com/exports/libperiodictable/jwc-shatteredsun |
| 23:38.26 | Arrowmaster | Elapsed Time: 10m 59s |
| 23:38.26 | Arrowmaster | 10m 58s spent servicing 948 web requests |
| 23:38.26 | Arrowmaster | 0m 1s spent in processing data |
| 23:38.26 | Arrowmaster | Approx 0m 1.36s CPU time used |
| 23:38.26 | Arrowmaster | 161 sets mined, 2031 sets not mined. |
| 23:38.53 | Arrowmaster | yeah maybe if i decide to do this ill just start over with your help |
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| 23:39.56 | Adys | Arrowmaster: well in a few days I'll be very busy again, but if you give me specific lists of things you want by then i can get you that easy |
| 23:40.09 | Adys | (and what format you want them in) |
| 23:40.15 | Arrowmaster | look in data.lua |
| 23:40.27 | Arrowmaster | its a very large list of data |
| 23:40.28 | Adys | yeah, saw, i only get like half of it tho |
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