| 00:00.16 | Dagmar | ...which is when I stopped wasting quarters on them. |
| 00:02.27 | Arrowmaster | ive seen a 60+ hit combo in DOA4 involving a throw into an object that was the only reason it was able to get that high but it was a full health to defeat with no possible escape once that first hit landed |
| 00:03.27 | ZorbaTHut | the DOA series was never exactly a marvel a game balance |
| 00:03.30 | Adys | !api mail |
| 00:03.32 | Arrowmaster | like a once in a lifetime to happen when not staging it kinda thing but still possible |
| 00:03.32 | ZorbaTHut | *marvel of |
| 00:03.38 | lua_bot | Found 28 possible matches for 'mail'. Please be more specific |
| 00:03.43 | ZorbaTHut | DOA2 was basically "whoever attacks loses" |
| 00:04.16 | Arrowmaster | yeah i kinda beat somebody at DOA4 using nothing but the counter button on a wireless controller while walking around a room not looking at the screen |
| 00:04.19 | DWSR | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129146556627753155.jpg <--- WIN |
| 00:04.36 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, DOA is a party game that happens to involve people punching each other |
| 00:04.40 | ZorbaTHut | you mash the controller and awesome things occur |
| 00:05.24 | Gintaro | I once got removed from the computer lab for mashing the keyboard too hard |
| 00:05.36 | Gintaro | marvell vs. capcom ftw |
| 00:05.48 | Arrowmaster | seen a few DOA tournaments at lan parties, i swear every one of them was grappler vs grappler for the final games |
| 00:05.54 | DWSR | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129128698144962161.jpg?w=500&h=249 |
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| 00:06.27 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: It maximizes the eye candy |
| 00:06.37 | kd3 | taps his foot waiting for dk/rogue changes |
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| 00:08.15 | Arrowmaster | Tao Feng: Fist of the Lotus, original Xbox fighting game, if you dont memorize every fucking combo even the AI on easy will mop the floor with you |
| 00:08.34 | Arrowmaster | horrible game |
| 00:08.53 | kapowaz | anybody know if it's possible to configure the appearance of the enemy PvP team unitframes with Pitbull 4? |
| 00:09.00 | kapowaz | I don't see any way to configure it |
| 00:09.29 | Dagmar | It's the target frame |
| 00:10.00 | kapowaz | target? |
| 00:10.01 | Dagmar | You *may* need to create the frame in question |
| 00:10.12 | kapowaz | hmm, I already have unitframes for target |
| 00:10.16 | kd3 | arena[1-5] iirc? |
| 00:10.38 | Dagmar | I've never taken mine into arenas, but I know from raids it's a little confusing finding out where you go to actually create a raid group set |
| 00:11.08 | kapowaz | damn right :) |
| 00:11.11 | kapowaz | I'm confused already |
| 00:11.36 | kapowaz | there's no test setup for it either |
| 00:11.37 | Dagmar | Main tank frames are also quite an entertaining game of "where the hell did I see that option again" |
| 00:12.19 | Jamash | I need to set up class icons on my arena enemy frames |
| 00:12.26 | Jamash | or class colors |
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| 00:16.52 | kapowaz | hmm, I'm really not sure this is possible |
| 00:20.18 | Kraps | DWSR: hes 5... plus 10 |
| 00:22.31 | Torhal | kapowaz: Ask Shefki in #wowace |
| 00:26.29 | Shirik | ask me! |
| 00:28.17 | Stanzilla | Shirik: do you know that the answer is "pb4 does not support arena units, yet"? |
| 00:28.36 | Shirik | hey kapowaz, pb4 does not support area units yet |
| 00:28.40 | Stanzilla | ! |
| 00:33.03 | cog|away | anyone know of a site i can send people to that showcases "modern" browsers (a la Windows' ballot in europe) |
| 00:34.17 | Adys | Anyone in here ever won one of the arena season rewards? |
| 00:40.59 | kd3 | yay; found money in the laundry |
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| 00:42.39 | Adys | I usually find laundry in my money |
| 00:42.40 | Adys | but hey |
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| 00:59.04 | kapowaz | Shirik: ah, thanks |
| 00:59.12 | kapowaz | any idea if it will? |
| 01:02.55 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/user/HarperKids#p/a/u/0/dWRvqO1MjIs |
| 01:02.59 | Wobin | is pretty awesome |
| 01:05.29 | cog|away | wtb http://browsehappy.com/browsers/ with Chrome -_- |
| 01:12.50 | Wobin | omg |
| 01:12.52 | Wobin | Gushing Wounds |
| 01:13.02 | Wobin | Tanking will -never- ever be standing still ever again |
| 01:15.38 | ajmitch | depends on how much damage it actually is |
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| 01:17.48 | Jerub | Wobin: gushing wounds? |
| 01:17.56 | ajmitch | new warrior ability |
| 01:18.00 | Jerub | oh, has cat stuff been announced? |
| 01:18.06 | Wobin | warrior |
| 01:18.10 | Wobin | not yet |
| 01:18.50 | ajmitch | and DKs get something like a spell reflect |
| 01:19.10 | ZorbaTHut | anyone know of a chat mod that just filters out duplicate lines within a minute or two? |
| 01:20.41 | DWSR | Outbreak (level 81): Outbreak infects the target with both Frost Fever and Blood Plague at no rune cost. This ability allows death knights to apply diseases quickly when they are switching targets or when their diseases have been dispelled. |
| 01:20.41 | DWSR | YES |
| 01:20.42 | DWSR | YEs |
| 01:20.43 | DWSR | YES |
| 01:21.37 | Kraps | OP QQ |
| 01:21.50 | ajmitch | nerf DKs now? |
| 01:22.41 | Kraps | Dark Simulacrum (level 85): The death knight strikes a target, applying a debuff that allows the death knight to copy the opponent's next spell cast and unleash it. Unlike Spell Reflection, Dark Simulacrum does not cancel the incoming spell. In general, if you can't reflect an ability, you won't be able to copy it either. |
| 01:22.44 | Kraps | WTF |
| 01:22.49 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 01:22.52 | DWSR | That's fucking awesome. |
| 01:22.56 | DWSR | That + AMS = DEATH TO CASTERS |
| 01:23.01 | DWSR | That's a win ability. |
| 01:23.08 | DWSR | New Rune changes are fucking stupid. |
| 01:23.19 | ajmitch | win only because it doesn't take a shield to use |
| 01:23.19 | DWSR | I have no idea what they're talking about with not having spare GCDs? |
| 01:23.21 | Wobin | holy crap spell reflect |
| 01:23.30 | DWSR | Do the devs only play blood or something? |
| 01:23.47 | DWSR | I have like 4 or 5 spare GCDs as Frost. |
| 01:23.53 | DWSR | per 2 rune cycles. |
| 01:24.16 | Wobin | Well |
| 01:24.18 | Wobin | blood is the new tank |
| 01:24.32 | DWSR | yeah, but this is a global DK change. |
| 01:24.39 | ajmitch | pity we have to wait another week to QQ about paladin changes |
| 01:25.44 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/user/EricWhitacresVrtlChr |
| 01:25.47 | Wobin | Virtual Choir =P |
| 01:25.53 | Dagmar | We discussed the whining earlier, I believe |
| 01:25.55 | DWSR | Does anyone know if DW tanking will remain? |
| 01:25.58 | Wobin | impressive in the organisation, really |
| 01:26.02 | ajmitch | oh, pity I missed it |
| 01:26.10 | Wobin | although creepy how the conductor looks RIGHT AT YOU |
| 01:26.12 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, it seems unlikely |
| 01:26.14 | Dagmar | Whining != useful dialogue |
| 01:26.51 | DWSR | What forum did the preview get posted in? |
| 01:27.00 | Jerub | i think the biggest win is inner rage |
| 01:27.07 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: what's your opinoin? |
| 01:27.40 | Dagmar | Wobin: You mean how his eyes follow you around the room, as if he were a haunted painting? |
| 01:27.40 | ZorbaTHut | on what, the warrior changes? |
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| 01:27.58 | ZorbaTHut | probably the entire rage revamp, plus the removal of on-next-strike abilities |
| 01:28.01 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: yeah |
| 01:28.07 | ZorbaTHut | both of which were desperately needed |
| 01:28.11 | Jerub | it's a revamp? |
| 01:28.13 | Wobin | Dagmar, yeah, I'm not used to a conductor that looks RIGHT AT YOU ALL THE TIME |
| 01:28.21 | Wobin | it makes me feel like I'm doing something -terribly- wrong =) |
| 01:28.37 | ZorbaTHut | pretty much, yeah. rage income is normalized to not be per-damage, and the entire mechanism for how we're intended to spend it is changed |
| 01:29.11 | Dagmar | Wobin: It's almost like he knows the video camera isn't going to move |
| 01:29.12 | ZorbaTHut | in all practical manners it's a completely different mechanic |
| 01:29.18 | Wobin | hm, I'm not following the rune regeneration |
| 01:29.20 | ZorbaTHut | making block useful is nice as well |
| 01:29.33 | Wobin | Dagmar, I know!! It's UNCANNY =) |
| 01:29.39 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 01:29.42 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, as they mention, assume you have three runes, and they can charge to 200%. that's about it. |
| 01:29.44 | ajmitch | having similar amounts of rage gained whether you avoid or eat a hit will be nice |
| 01:30.03 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut, so how does it differ from now? |
| 01:30.13 | ZorbaTHut | right now, if you use both blood runes, they charge simultaneously |
| 01:30.29 | ZorbaTHut | after the change, it'll charge equally fast whether you've used one or both |
| 01:30.29 | Wobin | but they still take 10sec from expiry to 'full' |
| 01:30.46 | ZorbaTHut | yes, each one will, independently |
| 01:30.57 | ZorbaTHut | if you use two blood runes, it'll now take 20sec to charge from zero to full |
| 01:31.02 | ZorbaTHut | or 10sec for a single rune |
| 01:31.13 | Wobin | well no, 10seconds from the second usage, no? |
| 01:31.14 | ZorbaTHut | rather than the previous system where no matter how many you used, it would take 10 seconds. |
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| 01:31.29 | ZorbaTHut | no, after the change, it'll take 20 seconds after the first one is used |
| 01:31.31 | DWSR | Wobin: Think of it as now have 3 runes with 2 charges. |
| 01:31.34 | Dashkal | Wee, relearning how to play DK thanks to the rune changes. |
| 01:31.44 | ZorbaTHut | or rather, it will take 10 seconds per rune used |
| 01:31.47 | Jerub | i like the answer in the Q&A |
| 01:31.49 | DWSR | Each charge takes 10 seconds to regenerate. |
| 01:31.53 | Wobin | ie, you use BR1, it takes 10 sec to refresh, 1.5 seconds after you use BR1 you use BR2 |
| 01:31.58 | ZorbaTHut | dashkal, s/DK/every class/ s/rune // |
| 01:32.00 | Wobin | BR2 then takes 10 sec to refresh |
| 01:32.10 | Jerub | it just makes it closer to the rogue mechanic. |
| 01:32.11 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, that's what it does right now |
| 01:32.12 | Wobin | which is only (technically) 11.5 seconds from BR1 usage |
| 01:32.12 | DWSR | Wobin: No. |
| 01:32.15 | Dashkal | ZorbaTHut: Well, ok, if you want to go and be FAIR about it. |
| 01:32.19 | ZorbaTHut | after the change, you use BR1, it'll take 10sec to refresh |
| 01:32.20 | DWSR | Wobin: That's the current usage. |
| 01:32.24 | Wobin | yeah |
| 01:32.29 | ZorbaTHut | 1.5 sec after you use BR1, you use BR2 |
| 01:32.39 | ZorbaTHut | BR1 will still refresh at the same time. BR2 will refresh 10 seconds after that. |
| 01:32.52 | Wobin | So this is -slowing- down rune refreshment? |
| 01:32.52 | DWSR | So it'll be 21.5s for BR2. |
| 01:32.53 | ajmitch | wonders if paladin tanking will be slightly less faceroll with aoe threat |
| 01:32.55 | DWSR | Wobin: Yes. |
| 01:32.56 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, yes, it is. |
| 01:32.59 | Jerub | it will mean more burst at the start of combat probably. |
| 01:33.00 | Wobin | hm... why? |
| 01:33.09 | ZorbaTHut | Because right now you're penalized for having any runes not on cooldown |
| 01:33.10 | DWSR | Wobin: In order to allow DKs to pool resources. |
| 01:33.18 | Wobin | oh |
| 01:33.20 | Wobin | well, that's a change |
| 01:33.23 | ZorbaTHut | after this change, you won't be penalized unless *both* runes of a type are up. |
| 01:33.42 | DWSR | The change seems a bit clunky and entirely pointless. |
| 01:33.45 | Wobin | but it'll mean a whole lot more waiting around on GCDs |
| 01:33.45 | Jerub | they're talking about increasing damage output per rune to compensate. |
| 01:33.56 | Jerub | DWSR: i had no doubt you'd say something like that. |
| 01:33.56 | DWSR | But yeah, if they compensate properly, it could be better. |
| 01:34.09 | Wobin | God knows the majority of DKs I run into already have a premature ejaculation issue |
| 01:34.14 | ZorbaTHut | seems pretty nice to me |
| 01:34.16 | Jerub | they'll do it on averages of the playerbase. |
| 01:34.23 | ZorbaTHut | I definitely like having time to think on my rogue |
| 01:34.26 | ZorbaTHut | don't really have that on my DK |
| 01:34.29 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 01:34.41 | Dashkal | I'd love a few GCDs where I can and should do nothing |
| 01:34.42 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: The zany, dynamic playstyle's a serious draw for me. |
| 01:34.50 | DWSR | Dashkal: You obviously don't play Frost. |
| 01:34.56 | DWSR | I have plenty of spare GCDs as Frost. |
| 01:35.00 | Dashkal | I believe I made that very clear :P |
| 01:35.05 | Wobin | yeah |
| 01:35.09 | DWSR | Dashkal: Which is why I'm against the change. |
| 01:35.18 | Wobin | I mean, I -like- the noGCD spare thing |
| 01:35.22 | DWSR | The unholy and frost specs have spare GCDs. |
| 01:35.27 | Wobin | but it has issues in high latency/high movement |
| 01:35.29 | DWSR | Blood doesn't. |
| 01:35.37 | ZorbaTHut | there's already a huge ton of classes that have no GCDs spare |
| 01:35.44 | ZorbaTHut | it would be nice to have another that does |
| 01:36.02 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: It depends on what you define as a spare GCD. |
| 01:36.06 | ZorbaTHut | AFAIK, rogue and feral druid are the only classes that are limited by anything except GCD or cast-time. |
| 01:36.18 | DWSR | For a caster, I think that a spare GCD is something where you're casting your filler nuke. |
| 01:36.35 | ZorbaTHut | You're still doing something, though. If you had more GCDs you could do more stuff. That's not spare. |
| 01:36.48 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: No, since the cast time is longer than the GCD time. |
| 01:36.49 | Dashkal | ooo, 2H frost is coming back |
| 01:36.50 | ZorbaTHut | A class where removing the GCD entirely wouldn't increase the DPS output. |
| 01:36.54 | ZorbaTHut | (and the cast time) |
| 01:37.21 | ZorbaTHut | I like that they're re-adding 1h Fury |
| 01:37.27 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Removing GCD/cast time would exponentially increase DPS for anyone who's using mana. |
| 01:37.28 | ZorbaTHut | though you just know they'll never get them quite balanced with each other |
| 01:37.29 | Dashkal | Also very cool |
| 01:37.32 | DWSR | That's inherent in the resource design. |
| 01:37.34 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, yes, that is exactly my point |
| 01:37.36 | ZorbaTHut | thank you for making it :) |
| 01:37.55 | ZorbaTHut | removing it *wouldn't* increase DPS for rogues or feral druids |
| 01:38.02 | ZorbaTHut | and, apparently, for cataclysm DKs either. |
| 01:38.32 | DWSR | The problem is that, as I've said, /there are spare GCDs/. Just not in 1 of the 3 specs. |
| 01:38.51 | DWSR | And since Blood /is getting axed anyway/, it's a headscratch. |
| 01:38.56 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I don't know DKs well enough to know, so |
| 01:39.16 | ZorbaTHut | yay, got fast getall working in mal'ganis |
| 01:39.19 | ZorbaTHut | thank you silvermoon |
| 01:40.53 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/video_18156_a-trailer-every-academy-award-winning-movie-ever.html |
| 01:44.59 | DWSR | hehe |
| 01:47.04 | batrick | wooo Thirsty Thursday |
| 01:47.07 | batrick | hell friends |
| 01:47.10 | batrick | hello*** |
| 01:47.30 | Kraps | the hell with you too batrick |
| 01:47.57 | batrick | QQ |
| 01:48.04 | Kraps | holy shit http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/april/mekkatorque-hires.jpg |
| 01:48.34 | Kraps | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/3p9/gnomeregan2.xml |
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| 01:49.02 | kd3 | lmao, win |
| 01:50.36 | DWSR | I hope they change Bone Shield. |
| 01:51.46 | Wobin | tha'ts pretty awesome |
| 01:51.52 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 01:51.55 | DWSR | It's my new background. |
| 01:52.17 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/26319/rGN4K.gif |
| 01:52.31 | DWSR | CAH |
| 01:52.33 | DWSR | GAH* |
| 01:53.03 | DWSR | I thought they made a WS version of the poster? |
| 01:53.25 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: made me lol |
| 01:53.49 | Thunder_Child | oh good, my life is now complete |
| 01:54.05 | DWSR | Spelling errors in the Gnomer article! |
| 01:54.19 | DWSR | allowing you to temporarily done the uniform of the elite Gnomeregan Infantry. <-- one of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong. |
| 01:56.11 | Gintaro | what's your problem with it? |
| 01:56.38 | DWSR | allowing you to temporarily done the uniform of the elite Gnomeregan Infantry. |
| 01:56.42 | DWSR | allowing you to temporarily done the uniform |
| 01:56.48 | DWSR | temporarily done the uniform |
| 01:56.50 | DWSR | temporarily done |
| 01:56.53 | DWSR | done |
| 01:56.59 | Cide | old meme is old |
| 01:57.00 | DWSR | s/e// |
| 01:57.11 | Arrowmaster | http://www.cracked.com/article_18478_the-7-ballsiest-pranks-you-wont-believe-actually-worked.html |
| 01:57.19 | Arrowmaster | ok 1 is totally fucking epic |
| 01:57.29 | Gintaro | Ah |
| 01:57.42 | Gintaro | No wonder I couldn't find the right definition |
| 02:04.04 | Jerub | speaking of games: http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/2623.html |
| 02:09.43 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, #1 is utterly awesome |
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| 03:13.21 | ccox | incredible smell of the day: microwave popcorn where the oil has gone rancid |
| 03:13.33 | ccox | can't smell it when you put it in the microwave |
| 03:13.44 | ccox | but after cooking, the whole neighborhood can smell it |
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| 03:19.25 | Zyn- | and that's how ccox got on Iron Chef |
| 03:21.57 | Dagmar | ccox: fish > popcorn |
| 03:22.15 | ccox | normally you can smell bad fish *before* cooking it |
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| 03:45.53 | Dagmar | ccox: Cook it in a break room microwave tho and you stand a *really* good chance of someone calling in hazmat |
| 03:46.12 | Dagmar | It will smell like a whale died in there... of something nasty... weeks ago. |
| 03:46.58 | ccox | dagmar - yeah, that's about how my house smells right now |
| 03:47.28 | Dagmar | It's the sort of smell that would make the term 'horrible miasma' check it's tie and suffer performance anxiety |
| 03:47.59 | Jerub | if you're going for 'more horrible smell' |
| 03:48.17 | Jerub | there's a prawn paste you can get that smells increidbly bad and pungent when it's fresh |
| 03:48.20 | Jerub | and uh |
| 03:48.40 | Dagmar | I take it that it goes straight to WMD status without passing 'go' if you leave it on the dash overnight? |
| 03:48.48 | Jerub | two weeks in the 'fresh' air intake vents of a car that's parked outdoors... they burned it. |
| 03:48.57 | Jerub | the car. |
| 03:49.04 | Dagmar | hohoho yeap |
| 03:49.17 | Dagmar | Bacteria looooove car air vents |
| 03:49.22 | Dagmar | All that delicious plastic |
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| 04:15.54 | Dagmar | Gnomes and spellcheckers apparently don't mix. |
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| 04:28.10 | Dagmar | Oh wow... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj7wX1uwpT8 |
| 04:51.13 | Kraps | "In fact, I'm pretty much asking players to make less assumptions about things and just provide us with feedback on the forums." |
| 04:51.28 | Kraps | in teh face |
| 04:51.32 | Dagmar | lol |
| 04:51.47 | Dagmar | Baseless assumptions are 95% of what posts are made of |
| 04:58.20 | Jerub | Heroic Strike and Maul are effective, but tedious abilities for using up extra Rage. |
| 04:58.43 | Jerub | i <3 how blizzard basically ignores how the game is played by good players who know how to route around the stupidity of their ui |
| 04:59.17 | ZorbaTHut | huh? they're completely right, heroic strike is an awful design |
| 04:59.41 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: yeah, I don't know about HS, but all the druid tanks i know macro Maul |
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| 04:59.55 | Jerub | i.e. make it the most trivial way ever of getting extra damage/threat. |
| 05:00.18 | Jerub | they're just ackwowledging that people who don't know how to play find it tedious, that's what i'm giggling about |
| 05:00.27 | ZorbaTHut | that's doable with certain fights but not others. for warriors we have to swap between HS and Cleave based on the fight |
| 05:00.32 | ZorbaTHut | I think they're saying *everyone* finds it tedious |
| 05:00.34 | ZorbaTHut | I know I certainly do |
| 05:00.48 | ZorbaTHut | (also, if we overuse those, we can end up rage-starved and unable to use our more useful abilities) |
| 05:01.00 | Jerub | not at high gear levells |
| 05:01.04 | Dagmar | Onoes, decision making |
| 05:01.12 | Cairenn | Happy Birthday dolby!! |
| 05:01.22 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, yeah, that's my point - the decision is uninteresting and tedious, and cannot be macroed away |
| 05:01.37 | Dagmar | OKay I gotcha |
| 05:01.42 | ZorbaTHut | not only that but it has to be hit every second or so *on top* of whatever other abilities you're actually using |
| 05:02.28 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, I really don't think that rage being a broken mechanic is a good excuse for heroic strike *also* being a broken mechanic |
| 05:02.32 | ZorbaTHut | also they're fixing rage, so |
| 05:02.42 | Jerub | yeah, i'm just reading through that stuff, missed it earlier |
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| 05:24.11 | DWSR | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24261186257&postId=242590433005&sid=1#34 |
| 05:26.14 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: For warrior tanking, how often are you using specials? |
| 05:26.34 | ZorbaTHut | "specials"? |
| 05:27.18 | DWSR | Special attacks. |
| 05:27.23 | DWSR | i.e. off the swing timer. |
| 05:27.34 | ZorbaTHut | every GCD. |
| 05:27.38 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 05:27.49 | DWSR | If you look at that thread, someone posted about DK tanks getting parry gibbed. |
| 05:27.52 | ZorbaTHut | if you include heroic strike, which is also kind of special, slightly over twice per GCD. |
| 05:28.06 | DWSR | DW DK tanks* |
| 05:28.22 | DWSR | I posted about how, assuming that we're using the same amount of special attacks, you end up getting parried less. |
| 05:28.27 | DWSR | Also, DKs cast spells, which can't get parried. |
| 05:30.43 | DWSR | Warrior tanks only have Tclap and Shockwave which can't get parried, correct? |
| 05:35.30 | ZorbaTHut | I believe so, though I'm not entirely sure |
| 05:35.44 | ZorbaTHut | I haven't looked into it in great detail |
| 05:37.29 | Kraps | "Scar is King Mufasa's brother. He not only conspired against and subsequently killed his own brother, but tried to kill his nephew and (presumably) boned his late brother's wife." |
| 05:37.40 | Kraps | cracked.com wins |
| 05:39.35 | nevcairiel | Didnt they even say that parry hasting is gone with Cataclysm? |
| 05:39.41 | nevcairiel | people need to get all informations |
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| 05:42.09 | nevcairiel | Not like i see any future for DW tanking, but the parry argument is mood |
| 05:44.28 | Jerub | i still haven't come up with a reasonable explanation as to why my warrior tank does 90-120% of the damage of the top dps in my classic dungeon groups |
| 05:44.49 | ZorbaTHut | because most players are really really bad |
| 05:45.22 | Kraps | Ariel has nothing covering her... |
| 05:45.24 | nevcairiel | my warrior was at least on #2 if not on #1 when doing dungeons in leveling groups, even in WotLK still |
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| 05:45.33 | nevcairiel | as the tank, of course |
| 05:47.12 | krka | yay, our game now has the most important mmo feature - dancing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMd4YfBzxCM |
| 05:47.30 | Jerub | nevcairiel: of course. |
| 05:47.56 | nevcairiel | why does that UI look like a very bad clone of WoW? :D |
| 05:47.58 | Jerub | krka: now do a bard class. |
| 05:48.16 | krka | with guitar hero mode, sure |
| 05:48.25 | Jerub | i would totally play a class with a guitar hero mode |
| 05:49.21 | Jerub | especially if when you stood in the fire you could play "We Didn't Start the Fire" for immunity |
| 05:53.52 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos |
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| 05:58.21 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va8Sh4Agr58&feature=channel |
| 06:03.06 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W19wr5rXVHk&feature=channel |
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| 06:40.27 | Kanedra | Hm |
| 06:40.28 | Kanedra | Awkward |
| 06:40.39 | Thunder_Child | thats what she said |
| 06:40.43 | Kanedra | Wowhead is.. showing some weird bugs ;p |
| 06:41.09 | Kanedra | Or they just hate the Ephemeral Snowflake |
| 06:44.18 | Dagmar | nevcariel: I wouldn't exactly say that UI is exactly ripping off WoW. It's just fairly generic modern MMO. Everything's got the buttons at the bottom, the map up and to the right, and the characters status up and to the left now |
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| 06:46.01 | Kanedra | man |
| 06:46.03 | Kanedra | pvp madness right there |
| 06:46.11 | Jerub | there was a ui i saw a while back that was so much a rip off of the wow ui that it had the 'key' button next to the bags button |
| 06:46.14 | Kanedra | Wow, krka, did you make this? |
| 06:46.19 | Jerub | but it wasn't a real buttona nd didn't work. it was just there. |
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| 06:47.17 | krka | Kanedra: it's a team effort, i've done some of it |
| 06:47.26 | Kanedra | Well yeah okay |
| 06:47.30 | Kanedra | But it looks seriously great |
| 06:47.34 | krka | thanks! |
| 06:47.41 | krka | been working on it for like two years |
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| 06:48.20 | Kanedra | Man |
| 06:48.24 | Kanedra | This looks seriously complicated |
| 06:48.35 | Dagmar | krka: That it doesn't suck is a tremendous achievement, judging by a lot of the "professional" games that have been coming out in micro-pay-land. You rock |
| 06:49.02 | Dagmar | I'm jealous |
| 06:49.33 | krka | we've mostly done it as an experiment in how far you can get without taking any shortcuts when it comes to keeping the code clean, and always trying to keep our pipeline optimized |
| 06:49.49 | Dagmar | You're doing a bad-ass job man |
| 06:49.50 | krka | so far it's been a successful experiment |
| 06:49.55 | Dagmar | Yeah I'd say so |
| 06:50.02 | krka | thanks, i'll forward your compliments to our team :) |
| 06:50.09 | krka | i'm sure they'll be glad to see it |
| 06:50.47 | nevcairiel | so, when are we invited to beta tests? :d |
| 06:50.54 | Dagmar | Never seen anything remotely like it out of even .edu-space |
| 06:51.43 | krka | we're in pre-alpha, but we hope to get some sort of real user testing in the near future |
| 06:52.16 | krka | we mostly need to add some real gameplay with goals, and acocunt management |
| 06:52.27 | nevcairiel | its just names anyway, what you call pre-alpha, companies call release |
| 06:53.05 | Dagmar | It doesn't burn my eyes like Planeshift |
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| 06:56.08 | Thunder_Child | burns Dagmars eyes |
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| 06:59.18 | mitch0 | krka: are the animations hand-made or you use some sort of mocap? |
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| 06:59.40 | Thunder_Child | Shirik |
| 07:00.06 | Thunder_Child | dolby |
| 07:00.31 | Thunder_Child | Shadowed |
| 07:00.35 | Shadowed | what |
| 07:00.40 | Shadowed | did you break something |
| 07:00.46 | Thunder_Child | can you un qq fisker please |
| 07:00.49 | Shadowed | do I have to |
| 07:00.58 | Thunder_Child | it's been like that all day |
| 07:01.03 | Shadowed | He probably deserved it thought |
| 07:01.11 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 07:01.27 | Thunder_Child | he triped the auto qq, and he knew better |
| 07:01.36 | Shadowed | it would help if I remembered how to list set modes |
| 07:01.50 | Thunder_Child | facepalm |
| 07:02.05 | Shadowed | stupid client doesn't list it |
| 07:02.21 | Torhal | Meh. WoWHead keeps breaking today |
| 07:02.35 | Shirik | Thunder_Child |
| 07:02.37 | Shirik | wat |
| 07:02.43 | Thunder_Child | see above |
| 07:03.57 | Thunder_Child | and for the love of bob Shirik, DONT BE A TEXT TYPER! |
| 07:04.03 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:04.10 | Shirik | I only say that when I'm being annoying |
| 07:04.24 | Thunder_Child | i dont remeber you saying that all the time |
| 07:04.29 | Thunder_Child | remember* |
| 07:04.56 | Shirik | how the hell do I list active bans |
| 07:05.09 | Thunder_Child | you guys are failing |
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| 07:07.18 | krka | mitch0: hand made animations at this point |
| 07:07.58 | Kanedra | .. motion capture seems overkill at this stage? |
| 07:08.12 | Thunder_Child | wb Fisker, try not to piss off EDI again |
| 07:08.31 | Thunder_Child | or let me trick you into doing it |
| 07:08.45 | Fisker | like you tricked anyone |
| 07:09.06 | Thunder_Child | better that than you simply being a dumbass |
| 07:09.18 | Thunder_Child | your call |
| 07:10.59 | Fisker | farts on Thunder_Child |
| 07:11.37 | Fisker | the rogue changes are depressing |
| 07:11.38 | krka | motion capture is expensive :) |
| 07:12.00 | krka | we set realistic ambitions for content |
| 07:12.26 | Thunder_Child | DIY motion capture |
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| 07:12.54 | Spenzrar | Howdy |
| 07:13.07 | Kanedra | go start off with MVN! |
| 07:13.23 | zenzio | http://roflrazzi.com/2010/04/08/celebrity-pictures-larry-thomas-soup-nazi-healtchare/ |
| 07:13.27 | Kanedra | for motion capture |
| 07:13.35 | Kanedra | I didn't even know such a thing existed until like 5 minutes ago :+ |
| 07:14.11 | Spenzrar | Next big war will be in america. |
| 07:14.14 | Spenzrar | It's a shame really =\ |
| 07:14.23 | Kanedra | It's about time |
| 07:14.31 | zenzio | there already are wars in America |
| 07:14.35 | Kanedra | War has been like everywhere in the last decades, except in America |
| 07:14.35 | zenzio | just not necessarily in the USA |
| 07:14.41 | Kanedra | *USA |
| 07:15.23 | Spenzrar | USA* :P |
| 07:16.18 | Shirik | oh fail |
| 07:16.33 | Shirik | Wikipedia's database is locked, so now I'm stuck with "You have new messages" at the top of my page until they unlock it |
| 07:17.29 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/funny-pictures-cat-pursues-virtue.jpg?w=500&h=332 - I like this picture |
| 07:20.21 | Fisker | i'm not Shirik |
| 07:23.29 | Spenzrar | Hmm. Is there a way I can simulate events with lua? Such as crits, rolls, etc? |
| 07:24.31 | Shirik | If you write your code well, yes |
| 07:25.22 | Spenzrar | I haven't dipped into the API in quite some time. Just hoping there's an easy way to throw those events so I can test easier. |
| 07:26.03 | krka | mvn looks interesting |
| 07:27.27 | Shirik | you can't fire events on your own, but if you are intelligent about how you write code, it is as simple as writing a mock object and calling whatever function is called for that event |
| 07:27.43 | Shirik | it's all about unit testing |
| 07:27.58 | Shirik | krka: I was interested in it but not satisfied with its documentation |
| 07:28.49 | Spenzrar | That's what I was thinking. :) |
| 07:29.25 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 07:32.00 | Shirik | yay |
| 07:32.01 | Shirik | lens shipped |
| 07:33.40 | Fisker | i hope it's broken in transit |
| 07:36.10 | Fisker | what say you Shirik ? |
| 07:36.27 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure I would be able to return it then |
| 07:36.44 | Fisker | but it would be an inconvenience |
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| 07:50.32 | zenzio | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/04/07/demotivational-posters-morgan-freeman/ |
| 07:52.47 | Fisker | zenzio |
| 07:57.50 | Shirik | tekkub: http://twitpic.com/o3141 |
| 07:59.44 | tekkub | lol~~ |
| 08:01.11 | zenzio | "In PvP, we want to reduce the rogue's dependency on binary cooldowns and "stun-locks [...]" - so we're moving rogues to octal dependencies |
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| 08:08.51 | ZorbaTHut | that's definitely a far more minor set of changes than the other classes have gotten, but it's still a nice improvement |
| 08:09.20 | Shirik | http://www.businesspundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/cookiemonster.jpg |
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| 08:09.51 | ZorbaTHut | coincidentally I am currently listening to some bizarre French song about cookies |
| 08:10.19 | Shirik | sounds like a french song |
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| 08:13.40 | msoul | Greetings all |
| 08:14.37 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: Enjoying the alliance side more than I imagined |
| 08:15.11 | ZorbaTHut | they've both got their points |
| 08:15.33 | msoul | Indeed but I've done countless pugs on Horde side |
| 08:15.44 | msoul | Saurfang encounter I wipe 45689057 times |
| 08:15.55 | msoul | With alliance 1 time and because the healwr got DC |
| 08:16.02 | msoul | Toc10 Not even one wipe |
| 08:16.02 | ZorbaTHut | that's just "on my server, alliance is better" |
| 08:16.10 | msoul | hehe could be |
| 08:16.17 | ZorbaTHut | or possibly "I've been luckier" |
| 08:16.45 | msoul | Kazzak = Horde realm |
| 08:17.01 | msoul | oh one thing though, Alliance aren't as good as the Horde when it comes to pvp |
| 08:17.13 | msoul | that's the downside that i've noticed |
| 08:17.46 | msoul | Less spam, less reserved items |
| 08:18.05 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: thinking to switch my dk to alliance too.. Draenei :P |
| 08:18.47 | msoul | one thing I hated though.. all my Argent tournament quests/progress are gone |
| 08:19.02 | msoul | have to start from scratch even though I am exalted with 2 |
| 08:19.05 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, there's some downsides to switching |
| 08:19.20 | ZorbaTHut | I'm thinking of switching my main to Horde, but it'll be annoying for a lot of reasons |
| 08:19.26 | msoul | that bugged me most... why doing the same quests again for stormwind when i am already exalted with them :( |
| 08:19.48 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: re-discover everything again |
| 08:20.18 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: What race you going to be or you haven't decided yet? |
| 08:20.57 | ZorbaTHut | haven't decided. it's not an easy decision - I think Alliance has an obvious Best Race For Everything, but Horde doesn't. :( |
| 08:21.08 | msoul | so true |
| 08:21.36 | ZorbaTHut | I might wait until Cataclysm, I wouldn't mind being a goblin. |
| 08:22.04 | ZorbaTHut | I spend enough time playing the AH already |
| 08:23.14 | ZorbaTHut | on the other hand, I'm not a huge fan of being a goblin for the same reason that I'm not a huge fan of being a gnome, namely, that being a three-foot-tall tank looks pretty damn stupid. Oh well. I'll think about it. |
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| 08:26.09 | msoul | as for tanks most ppl go with Taurens/Orcs |
| 08:26.40 | msoul | i've always thought being a Gnome tank is funny... gnome fightibng sartharion? step on him problem solved :P |
| 08:27.01 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: i was thinknig if i stayed as a horde i'd switch to blood elves |
| 08:27.23 | zenzio | msoul: Sartharion? Try Supremus |
| 08:27.26 | msoul | but taurens have a nice stats for tanking and racial |
| 08:27.32 | msoul | zenzio: hehe |
| 08:27.41 | ZorbaTHut | see the downside of being a blood elf is that then you're a blood elf |
| 08:27.51 | ZorbaTHut | I don't consider it to be worth the sacrifice |
| 08:28.10 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: i has the orb of sindorei |
| 08:28.18 | msoul | 5 mins :( |
| 08:28.19 | ZorbaTHut | doesn't work in combat! :P |
| 08:28.24 | msoul | it does |
| 08:28.31 | msoul | for 5 minutes |
| 08:28.37 | msoul | combat or no combat |
| 08:28.49 | ZorbaTHut | ah, neat |
| 08:28.55 | msoul | wish the length for it 60 mins like the savory fish |
| 08:29.04 | ZorbaTHut | still, I dunno how it's an improvement, 'cause it, you know, turns you into a blood elf |
| 08:29.19 | msoul | when i played horde my friends never seen me without shapeshifting have always 120 fishes |
| 08:29.21 | olafski | that is indeed quite a setback |
| 08:29.28 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: it's for fun only |
| 08:29.48 | msoul | also have that trinket from stratholme that causes everyone around me to dance |
| 08:29.50 | ZorbaTHut | right but I don't think you get my point, namely, that after using it, you look like a blood elf |
| 08:30.00 | krka | ZorbaTHut: blood elfs have the awesome napoleon dynamite dance |
| 08:30.01 | msoul | pretty much yeah |
| 08:30.11 | ZorbaTHut | krka, I suppose that's true, yeah |
| 08:30.16 | ZorbaTHut | I still don't think it's worth it however :P |
| 08:30.20 | msoul | hehe |
| 08:30.48 | msoul | was it worth doing battered hilt quest or shoulda sold that quest? |
| 08:30.55 | msoul | Did it yesterday for the sword/ach |
| 08:31.22 | msoul | the grp i was with were whining the whole dungeon about me winning it and i will sell it "why do you care if i sold it or did the qyuest" |
| 08:31.26 | msoul | was annoying |
| 08:31.41 | msoul | but the questchain was fun doing |
| 08:31.47 | msoul | i soloed sunwell! |
| 08:31.48 | olafski | I liked it.. sword was an upgrade, and probably the best sword I can get my hands on |
| 08:31.58 | msoul | olafski: yeah same here |
| 08:32.05 | ZorbaTHut | I'm gonna do it just for the achievement |
| 08:32.15 | ZorbaTHut | and the sword will be an added bonus |
| 08:32.21 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: a part of me wanted to sell it as i have only 10k |
| 08:32.27 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'm going to be buying it |
| 08:32.29 | ZorbaTHut | I'm sitting on 50k |
| 08:32.57 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: man i used to play with gold,.. few months back i thought i would quit so i bought everything i wanted toys etc mounts kirin ring |
| 08:33.07 | msoul | and maxed few professions from AH |
| 08:33.17 | msoul | Alchemy/BS from AH and partly JC |
| 08:33.36 | ZorbaTHut | eh, you can always make more gold |
| 08:33.38 | ZorbaTHut | not like it's hard |
| 08:33.40 | msoul | not to mention the crafted items that i needed for tanking and couldn't wait |
| 08:33.50 | ZorbaTHut | my Gold Machine is pretty much trivial to run at this point |
| 08:33.54 | msoul | it isn't no, will take sometime to get it back |
| 08:34.08 | msoul | think i shoyuld focus on AH more now with flasks/pots and cuts |
| 08:34.27 | msoul | i rarely get into AH mainly dailies |
| 08:35.10 | msoul | but i get your point it's indeed easy to make gold |
| 08:36.17 | msoul | would love to have a higher lvl shaman, stopped at 40+ |
| 08:36.46 | msoul | dk/war so far and few chars most of them at 40+ and pala at 56 |
| 08:36.54 | olafski | alchemy is where it's at I tell you ;) |
| 08:37.02 | Fisker | Can you make an addon automatically cast all spells on an assist or focus without having to make macros for everyone? |
| 08:38.08 | msoul | olafski: yeah i rarely jump on the dk nowadays just the 1 dungeon for the 2 emblems |
| 08:38.12 | msoul | and switch to the warrior |
| 08:38.19 | msoul | the dk has alchemy/JC |
| 08:38.22 | msoul | war BS/mining |
| 08:38.40 | msoul | paladin herbalism/insc but need to continue leveling |
| 08:39.54 | msoul | think i should do it today switchingt the dk to allies side too |
| 08:40.00 | msoul | both chars cost 50euro :/ |
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| 08:40.27 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: check this out |
| 08:40.38 | msoul | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&cn=Rpt |
| 08:40.52 | msoul | think i can manage to do icc25 with this set? |
| 08:41.06 | msoul | i have the legs t10 but waiting to get the second piece for the set bonus |
| 08:41.43 | msoul | will do toc25 and hope to get the trinket/cloak or neck even major upgrades |
| 08:42.03 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, absolutely |
| 08:42.16 | ZorbaTHut | your average ilvl is *above* that of totc25 |
| 08:42.28 | msoul | naiz |
| 08:42.59 | olafski | msoul: I just transmute every day, gives me plenty of money to spend |
| 08:43.00 | msoul | the guild i just got into wrote in the guild info to do pugs cause the core raiders are focusing to down LK first then do guild runs |
| 08:43.17 | msoul | olafski: i do that too... switched to transmutation recently even |
| 08:43.23 | ZorbaTHut | btw I'd consider swapping your shield enchant with the BC stam enchant |
| 08:43.25 | msoul | only 1 times i got it to proc |
| 08:43.28 | ZorbaTHut | it's arguably better for tanking |
| 08:43.31 | Kaso | Transmute mastery is the worst mastery |
| 08:43.48 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: 18 stam? yes been thinking about it and youre right i should do it |
| 08:44.05 | Kaso | but if you proc a 4x on a red gem you'll forget about all the times you got nothing and love it for ever more |
| 08:44.38 | msoul | Kaso: doesn't cost much these days on kazzak bold cardinal 145g |
| 08:45.06 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: switched the shoulder enchant to 30 stam res last week to boost my HP |
| 08:45.20 | msoul | had the one from hodir |
| 08:45.57 | msoul | olafski: did you do the quest btw for the horde or alliance battered hilt? |
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| 08:46.36 | msoul | was reading the comments on wowhead and someone was pissed at the guy who joined hor as a tank just to complete the quest part and leave and got them all wiped :P |
| 08:47.20 | msoul | i didn't do that though... i asked them when i started i am doing the quest if you guys help me i will do whatever dungeon in return |
| 08:47.54 | msoul | took like 10 minutes to get a grp with LFG found it strange cause usually finding a tank is a pain or healer yesterday it was the dps :/ |
| 08:48.03 | msoul | and i should stop now... |
| 08:48.24 | msoul | Drank Red Bull feelig hyper |
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| 08:50.20 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: btw, are you familiar with an addon that shows you a cursor "mainly for tanks" to move from the area you're in? |
| 08:50.35 | msoul | i've seen the video from premonition and couldn't track that addon |
| 08:50.46 | ZorbaTHut | I'm actually not sure what you mean, but no, not familiar with it |
| 08:51.35 | msoul | if you feel like watching a video later check the one that on premonition website downing LK 10 man |
| 08:52.24 | msoul | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBm75KdUKl0&fmt=22 |
| 08:53.20 | olafski | mm I like the rune system changes |
| 08:53.24 | msoul | you'll see the cursor at the very beginning |
| 08:53.47 | msoul | olafski: and fury warrior with one-handers :P |
| 08:54.17 | olafski | yeah :) |
| 08:54.19 | olafski | finally |
| 08:54.27 | msoul | not sure if it is useful for priest to DG a party member though |
| 08:54.29 | olafski | I didn't see the cursor you're talking about btw :/ |
| 08:54.48 | msoul | olafski: starts at 39 secs of the vid |
| 08:55.10 | olafski | ah :) |
| 08:55.21 | msoul | move away message under it |
| 08:55.41 | olafski | ah |
| 08:55.45 | olafski | wouldn't call that a cursor |
| 08:55.47 | olafski | it's just an arrow ;) |
| 08:55.55 | msoul | hehe |
| 08:56.00 | ZorbaTHut | interesting, haven't seen that before |
| 08:56.05 | ZorbaTHut | wonder where it's getting the info from |
| 08:56.08 | msoul | it's the closest thing i can come up with in english :P |
| 08:56.22 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: could be bigwigs? dunno |
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| 10:25.54 | Torhal | haste: You're the latest victim in the "Upload Other People's Shit" game! |
| 10:26.05 | Torhal | denies oGlow on CurseForge. |
| 10:26.16 | zenzio | :-o |
| 10:32.26 | zenzio | "What does this Obj-C âunrecognized selector sent to instanceâ exception indicate?" - I don't know... maybe your code sent a selector to an object that doesn't recognise it? |
| 10:36.21 | Shirik | It means that the selector you sent to the instance of an object is unrecognized |
| 10:36.34 | Shirik | oh |
| 10:36.36 | Shirik | you said that |
| 10:36.39 | zenzio | :-p |
| 10:36.42 | Shirik | next time I will read the whole line :( |
| 10:36.43 | A-KO | ugh |
| 10:36.47 | A-KO | Shirik, really don't get me started :( |
| 10:37.02 | Shirik | ? |
| 10:37.09 | A-KO | on blatant error messages |
| 10:37.25 | zenzio | strictly speaking I would be the one getting you started |
| 10:37.48 | ZorbaTHut | oh no my computer says that it expects a semicolon on a certain line |
| 10:37.49 | A-KO | at work, one of our apps is having trouble, and it spews out this very long error message about error reading a key from the registry--I knew in seconds what the problem was.....the actual developers of the app (the contract developers we've got) started on some shit about IIS.... |
| 10:37.51 | ZorbaTHut | how can I fix this cryptic error |
| 10:38.03 | A-KO | it took them 2 days to tell us the wrong thing |
| 10:38.11 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut: Trick question. Often I get that error and it has nothing to do with a missing semicolon :( |
| 10:38.12 | A-KO | when it took me minutes to know what the right thing was |
| 10:43.50 | A-KO | We're about to roll out a product on an x86-based Windows server that will have a lifecycle on the hardware of 5 years, with the application already pegging 3-4GB of ram even in the limited testing scenarios we've been testing already.... |
| 10:44.03 | A-KO | is trying his damndest to make sure we roll out properly....... |
| 10:44.14 | A-KO | might leave my job in a few months if they continue on this path though :P |
| 10:47.59 | ZorbaTHut | I'm impressed you can even hit 4gb on an x86-based server |
| 10:48.32 | A-KO | ZorbaTHut: well, right now in the 3GB environments we've got now the application we're using is pretty much a steady, high stream of memory hard faults |
| 10:48.37 | A-KO | for days at a time |
| 10:48.54 | A-KO | and this is on pretty low end scenarios, definitely not the upper boundary |
| 10:49.52 | A-KO | Unfortunately, the developers kept saying their app didn't need that much ram, nobody ever thought it really would use this much ram, and former management gave the go-ahead on everything because less ram meant less cost. |
| 10:50.46 | A-KO | turns out that it chews ram like it's an infinite resource, slows down the whole process, certainly puts a ridiculous strain on the hardware |
| 10:51.15 | ZorbaTHut | ouch |
| 10:51.21 | ZorbaTHut | is it using the ram for a good reason? |
| 10:52.08 | A-KO | I don't think so, though admittedly I've got no idea if it can be more efficient or not as I've never worked with the products. Essentially, they're doing a side-by-side rollout of our legacy applications and our new app (rather than superceding, dumb idea IMO, but that's what they went with)...and so the 2 systems talk to each other |
| 10:52.26 | A-KO | the new app pretty much loads, every few minutes, every single record in the old database into memory |
| 10:52.29 | A-KO | to process to the new database |
| 10:52.32 | A-KO | to keep them synced |
| 10:52.38 | ZorbaTHut | this sounds like a stunningly terrible idea |
| 10:52.42 | A-KO | It is |
| 10:52.43 | A-KO | all around |
| 10:52.57 | A-KO | it's a huge failure, and nobody has had the balls to go right to the CEO and tell him that it's a disaster |
| 10:53.43 | ZorbaTHut | hire me for a week and I'll do it :D |
| 10:54.07 | ZorbaTHut | god that would be an awesome job |
| 10:54.14 | ZorbaTHut | the guy whose sole job is to deliver news that gets people fired |
| 10:54.14 | A-KO | well, they brought in a new CTO, and he's bringing everything in-house, the code, everything.....but nonetheless the ship has left port, and not even he I don't think has the power to turn it around and build a new one. |
| 10:54.39 | A-KO | well, most of the management that made this decision did get fired, but I suspect not for this reason |
| 10:54.44 | A-KO | I suspect for other, similar reasons. |
| 10:54.50 | ZorbaTHut | one week's salary and two week's severance just to walk up to the CEO and say "HEY YER CODE'S FUCKED" |
| 10:55.07 | A-KO | oh I have no problems doing it |
| 10:55.33 | A-KO | I have no problems doing it because I'm confident in my own personal work ethic--that I've done everything possible and ran through every scenario to try and alleviate the issues. |
| 10:56.12 | ZorbaTHut | it definitely sounds like this is just a bad idea |
| 10:56.16 | A-KO | Unfortunately, he'd probably just swat me like a fly :P But I'm half tempted to go to the new CTO and tell him. |
| 10:56.33 | ZorbaTHut | I mean I've worked on systems that butted up against memory limits |
| 10:56.46 | ZorbaTHut | you don't want to be up near there unless you have *very* careful control over your memory use |
| 10:56.49 | haste | Torhal: which version was it, do you know :D ? |
| 10:56.50 | ZorbaTHut | and it sounds like, in this case, you don't |
| 10:57.10 | A-KO | well my viewpoint is that right now, the app chews up 3GB of ram like it's nothing. And if we have a minimum 5 year lifecycle on this hardware.....I want to move it to an x64 OS. In fact, we pushed that before we knew the app wouldn't work on x64 |
| 10:57.22 | A-KO | because, you know, you don't expect applications that work in x86 to fail on an x64 OS unless it uses drivers (which it doesn't) |
| 10:57.35 | ZorbaTHut | ugh, I don't really want to think about what they must be doing to make it not work |
| 10:58.24 | ZorbaTHut | suffice to say, lol, sucks to be you |
| 10:58.30 | A-KO | well, the one error I fixed yesterday was a registry read error because Windows puts 32-bit app keys in the WOW6432node subkey of HKLM.....the odd thing is, it actually *writes* properly, but when their installer goes to read, it fails saying it can't find the info...so I moved it to HKLM\Software and it got past that.... |
| 10:58.32 | A-KO | yeah :( |
| 10:58.44 | A-KO | I have no idea why it fails |
| 10:59.03 | A-KO | you would think if it writes, and Windows does this transparently regardless of the API, that it would read properly |
| 10:59.15 | ZorbaTHut | I must say things like this do make me kind of want to become a contracter, just because I really enjoy ripping into terrible codebases with a chainsaw and making them sing |
| 10:59.30 | A-KO | I mean, no other application I've installed over the years has ever run into that problem--ever. |
| 10:59.57 | ZorbaTHut | maybe it's, like, got a hardcoded path to read or something? so it pulls from the wrong location? I don't know |
| 11:00.10 | A-KO | Oh, the hilarious thing was that this app was supposed to be designed to work on a workstation computer--and that it would be sort of "headless" in our franchise locations where they hve tons of computers.....and I said to my boss in an e-mail last night |
| 11:00.32 | A-KO | "What did they expect was going to happen when a franchisee buys 10 computers all Windows 7 x64?" and I put the Picard facepalm ascii in the e-mail |
| 11:00.50 | ZorbaTHut | haha |
| 11:01.39 | A-KO | yeah, they had the audacity to reply to our emails asking why x64 was a necessity...... |
| 11:01.51 | A-KO | and I'm thinking to myself "uuuuuuhm.......uuuuh......." |
| 11:02.14 | A-KO | "Because soon enough you will not be able to buy an x86 machine, and chances are right now a good chunk of the machines you buy even on the low end from Dell are x64" |
| 11:02.35 | zenzio | <ZorbaTHut> maybe it's, like, got a hardcoded path to read or something? so it pulls from the wrong location? <--- the infamous "hard-coded Notepad path" scenario comes to mind |
| 11:03.15 | A-KO | zenzio: I suspect that, too--but what I"m wondering is what they're doing that Windows doesn't detect it and automatically redirect. I thought Windows did it behind the scenes, so it really has me wondering. |
| 11:03.41 | A-KO | Like if your 32-bit app was hard-coded to reference HKLM\Software\App, Windows would go "oh, you're a 32-bit app, here it is instead." |
| 11:04.13 | A-KO | And the odd thing is that the installer certainly wrote it there properly, it was in the wow6432node subkey, I just copied it to the parent and it worked...lol |
| 11:04.14 | ZorbaTHut | maybe they're passing some flag for "no, no, I really mean it, give me that exact literal item"? |
| 11:04.20 | A-KO | probably |
| 11:04.45 | A-KO | The worst part ZorbaTHut, is that it took them 2 days to respond to a request for more info as to why it's happening, and they told us to enable IIS and IIS6 compatibility on the system. |
| 11:05.03 | A-KO | (keep in mind, they actually built this to work on workstations, like Vista business, and it works on workstations......that don't have IIS)..... |
| 11:05.29 | A-KO | anyways, shower time, then trying to fix this dumb shit :D |
| 11:05.43 | A-KO | and this is where I prove my value to the company |
| 11:05.58 | A-KO | by waving the magic wand and tricking the application to work |
| 11:06.06 | A-KO | at least enough until we get the shit in-house and can fix it |
| 11:08.16 | ZorbaTHut | good luck :) |
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| 11:10.46 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/ac2/eaaaaagle.png |
| 11:11.16 | Fisker | tell me you pirated it mikma |
| 11:11.43 | Alleidun | pc version ? |
| 11:12.15 | Fisker | don't think there's any print screen button on the ps3 or xbox |
| 11:12.15 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 11:12.33 | Alleidun | haha ey :P |
| 11:13.31 | zenzio | nonsense fisker, you just push all the keys on the controller simultaneously |
| 11:13.45 | Alleidun | good luck on doing that :P |
| 11:16.05 | haste | zenzio: the analog thingies included :p ? |
| 11:16.14 | zenzio | especially those |
| 11:16.15 | haste | 'cause I'm able to push all but those! |
| 11:16.19 | mikma | fisker: i did not pirate it. |
| 11:16.19 | zenzio | :-o |
| 11:16.26 | haste | (on a PS3 controller at least) |
| 11:19.34 | Fisker | then i'm very disappointed mikma |
| 11:21.02 | Fisker | stares haste down |
| 11:21.38 | Alleidun | haste, use you're head for the analog sticks ;P |
| 11:22.05 | haste | or just the table, as I use it to play SNES only :P |
| 11:28.49 | Alleidun | SNES ?!? |
| 11:29.01 | Alleidun | ain't that a bit too oldschool :P |
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| 11:45.05 | foxlit | " and take a look at the special Collectorâs Edition [ http://www.starcraft2.com/features/collector/ ] page we put together for this announcement." |
| 11:45.08 | foxlit | Way to go blizzard. |
| 11:45.18 | Fisker | old foxlit |
| 11:45.20 | foxlit | It's an apache-provided 404. |
| 11:45.36 | zenzio | so it is o_O |
| 11:53.35 | zenzio | "WebKit2 is designed from the ground up to support a split process model, where the web content (JavaScript, HTML, layout, etc) lives in a separate process. This model is similar to what Google Chrome offers, with the major difference being that we have built the process split model directly into the framework, allowing other clients to use it." |
| 11:53.41 | zenzio | interesting |
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| 11:55.35 | Fisker | your mom is interesting zenzio |
| 11:55.55 | zenzio | I'm sure she's glad yout think so |
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| 12:25.53 | Vilkku | afternoon |
| 12:26.01 | Vilkku | anyone have a bit of time to help me with timers? |
| 12:26.13 | zenzio | timers? |
| 12:26.30 | Vilkku | for a mod to wait a certian time before performing an action |
| 12:26.49 | Vilkku | (no, nothing ingame, I want it to do StopMusic(); once it has been played once) |
| 12:27.13 | Vilkku | I know I could use PlaySoundFile, but I want to use PlayMusic because I am also controlling the sound levels |
| 12:27.31 | zenzio | strictly speaking there are no timers, unless you use libraries; you'd make your own using OnUpdate |
| 12:27.43 | Vilkku | back in the old days you'd just have to do OnUpdate stuff, is there any other solution nowadays? |
| 12:27.43 | Vilkku | k |
| 12:27.48 | Jamash | a gnome in stormwind just asked me how to get to ironforge O_o |
| 12:27.59 | zenzio | Jamash: what level? |
| 12:28.03 | Jamash | 22 |
| 12:29.01 | Jamash | ALSO I uploaded a beta version of my addon with a syntax error on load >_< |
| 12:29.24 | zenzio | you didn't notice this in your own testing? |
| 12:29.37 | Vilkku | zenzio, happen to know how I can set the OnUpdate event without using a xml file? |
| 12:30.34 | zenzio | Vilkku: roughly, you create a frame with CreateFrame(), then use frame:SetScript() to set the handler for the OnUpdate script - I think |
| 12:31.54 | Jamash | I really thought I'd tested it |
| 12:32.08 | zenzio | Jamash: well, how does the error manifest itself? |
| 12:32.36 | Jamash | load game, error message :P |
| 12:32.46 | Jamash | it's an extra ")" somewhere |
| 12:33.12 | Jamash | I also found another error that it was masking |
| 12:33.16 | zenzio | do you happen to have error message display turned off; or use some error reporting addon like Swatter etc.? |
| 12:33.27 | Jamash | lesson: don't upload too late at night |
| 12:33.36 | Fisker | hates zenzio |
| 12:33.38 | Jamash | swatter, yeah |
| 12:33.52 | Vilkku | with SetScript, how do you set the name of the function you want to execute |
| 12:34.08 | Vilkku | is it simply SetScript("OnUpdate", functionName)? |
| 12:34.17 | zenzio | Vilkku: now you're getting into "go read" territory |
| 12:34.43 | Vilkku | :P |
| 12:34.56 | Jamash | my dad keeps telling me to make test cases |
| 12:34.59 | zenzio | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScriptObject/SetScript |
| 12:35.11 | Jamash | which I should totally do but am too lazy |
| 12:35.36 | Jamash | in this case "upload it and the users will complain if it's broken" worked great |
| 12:35.57 | zenzio | true... but for syntax errors you really should detect them beforehand |
| 12:36.07 | Jamash | I'm really baffled by that one |
| 12:36.29 | Jamash | I was sure I had given it a final test before uploading |
| 12:36.33 | Jamash | but apparently not |
| 12:37.00 | Jamash | at least it was a beta upload and not a release :D |
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| 12:42.42 | Vilkku | any pointers where I could find info on setting the handle? |
| 12:46.42 | zenzio | ... Slashdot user profiles have a setting for WoW main character+realm o_O |
| 12:47.13 | mitch0 | zenzio: pathetic, isn't it? :) |
| 12:47.24 | zenzio | not sure I'd go that far, but perplexing |
| 12:47.50 | mitch0 | I just hope they won't ever disable the "classic" style |
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| 12:48.33 | mitch0 | (I mean the old one, without all the dhtml / ajax shite) |
| 12:53.09 | Vilkku | okey, someone gets to hold my hand now |
| 12:53.13 | Vilkku | EnhBloodlust:SetScript("OnUpdate", ON_UPDATE) |
| 12:53.29 | Vilkku | I have created the frame |
| 12:53.45 | Kanedra | reroll alliance, and give it a proper name :( |
| 12:53.48 | Vilkku | the function is called like this: |
| 12:54.00 | Vilkku | EnhBloodlust:ON_UPDATE() --stuff end |
| 12:54.20 | Vilkku | when I try to stick the EnhBloodlust: part to SetScript it gives me errors |
| 12:59.34 | zenzio | because that's not how you do it |
| 12:59.49 | zenzio | what is EnhBloodlust? A frame? |
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| 13:05.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hi! |
| 13:06.02 | zenzio | oh helloes! |
| 13:06.14 | Lopeppeppy | I am a pretty pretty princess! |
| 13:06.54 | zenzio | this is not news |
| 13:07.01 | zenzio | but you're welcome to back it up with screenshots |
| 13:07.26 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. I'll see if the boyfriend takes any pictures this weekend, how's that? Hasn't been a Peppy Picture in a very long time. |
| 13:07.42 | zenzio | there would be much rejoicing |
| 13:07.43 | alestane | Feeling sparkly today, are you? |
| 13:07.50 | Lopeppeppy | I win the universe! |
| 13:07.55 | zenzio | she said princess, not vampire, alestane |
| 13:08.17 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: so what has brought this all on? |
| 13:08.19 | alestane | Let us take sparkly back for the princesses. |
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| 13:09.13 | Lopeppeppy | I woke up in a good mood for once, whee. |
| 13:09.19 | Lopeppeppy | I don't normally do mornings very well. |
| 13:09.27 | zenzio | :) |
| 13:09.27 | Arathros | hehe |
| 13:09.38 | Arathros | i've only had a few of those aswell ;P |
| 13:10.00 | zenzio | Vilkku: is "ON_UPDATE" a function inside your frame (EnhBloodlus)? |
| 13:10.12 | Vilkku | zenzio, I actually fixed it, thanks :) |
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| 13:17.04 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 13:17.05 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 13:24.18 | Kraps | Smoke Bomb (level 85): TANKS NEED THIS |
| 13:24.56 | zenzio | healers, go stand in the cloud |
| 13:25.07 | Fisker | for 10 seconds every 3 minutes |
| 13:25.12 | zenzio | exactly |
| 13:25.24 | zenzio | to me it sounds by and large like a PvP ability |
| 13:26.07 | Lopeppeppy | There are already smoke flares, used far and wide by raid groups. |
| 13:26.26 | zenzio | did you read what it does peppy? |
| 13:26.37 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't, because it wasn't a link. :) |
| 13:26.50 | zenzio | it's a "can't target me from outside the cloud" ability |
| 13:26.56 | Lopeppeppy | I sort of assumed it was a joke. But I guess with the PTRs and announcements, I shouldn't. |
| 13:27.31 | zenzio | it's actually pretty cool, I just think the duration makes it less useful for PvE |
| 13:27.56 | Arathros | lol hide in the cloud.. lol untargetable thats BS for any ranged |
| 13:28.34 | zenzio | "The rogue drops a Smoke Bomb, creating a cloud that interferes with enemy targeting. Enemies who are outside the cloud will find themselves unable to target units inside the cloud with single-target abilities. " |
| 13:28.49 | alestane | So you can still pour AoE on it. |
| 13:29.00 | zenzio | but that's not targetting them, that's targetting an area |
| 13:29.24 | Arathros | but what with us that have name tags lol |
| 13:29.34 | Arathros | so they basically become stealthed |
| 13:29.34 | alestane | Hence why you can still pour AoE on it. |
| 13:29.38 | Kraps | rogues seem to have the best preview so far imo |
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| 13:30.16 | zenzio | "best preview"? I assume you mean "the most interesting new information"? |
| 13:30.26 | zenzio | because the previews themselves are very much equally structured |
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| 13:31.48 | Kraps | zenzio: well yeah, and the most "useful" changes relating to the class' style |
| 13:34.43 | Kraps | nergasm alert http://kotaku.com/5513154/the-table-of-elements-now-features-tiberium-imulsion |
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| 13:54.41 | Fisker | blows up Kraps :( |
| 13:54.59 | Kraps | Fisker |
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| 14:07.53 | p3lim | It was possible to make a statusbar go the other direction without much fluff? |
| 14:12.46 | foxlit | Mess with the value you provide? |
| 14:12.53 | foxlit | i.e. :SetValue(max-value) |
| 14:13.21 | foxlit | Then again, you probably mean the texture. That question keeps reappearing |
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| 14:18.54 | foxlit | So they broke timing in restricted land ages ago. |
| 14:19.32 | foxlit | I wonder if I can get the opposite of an onleave-timeout to work. |
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| 14:26.39 | foxlit | Hm, It'd be a hack, but it wouldn't be an exploit. |
| 14:31.47 | alestane | I'm trying to get an idle timeout similar to castsequence enabled in secure land, but it's still sort of iffy. |
| 14:32.27 | foxlit | alestane: could you make sense of this: http://www.pastey.net/135074 ? |
| 14:32.44 | foxlit | One would think that if not issecure(), SetAttribute is going to bail on you. |
| 14:33.01 | foxlit | Ah, combat. |
| 14:33.19 | alestane | Iriel wrote that part. |
| 14:33.39 | Kraps | i hate myself |
| 14:34.09 | foxlit | you might not be in lockdown, that's the trick. |
| 14:34.58 | alestane | Yes, if it's not secure, it falls through to a less protected version. |
| 14:35.15 | foxlit | needs the handler invoke to avoid tainting itself. |
| 14:37.13 | foxlit | One can sort of hack a "if my cursor is in this area for a while, tell me" thing with that hover code. |
| 14:37.43 | Ackis | hrmm wikipedia drama! |
| 14:37.45 | Ackis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange |
| 14:37.47 | Ackis | Shirik: ^ |
| 14:38.02 | Ackis | http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/11882793584 |
| 14:40.02 | Kraps | Ackis: tell them to QQ more |
| 14:42.02 | Wobin | http://i42.tinypic.com/2qxccq1.jpg |
| 14:42.04 | Ackis | on a related note, there's 1 inch of snow on the ground right now |
| 14:42.41 | Kraps | the hell happened to emma watson? |
| 14:42.54 | Wobin | She evolved =P |
| 14:43.15 | Ackis | Kraps: what do you mean? |
| 14:43.39 | Kraps | her face looks a little off |
| 14:43.51 | Lopeppeppy | She grew up. But that picture makes her look much older. I suspect photoshop. |
| 14:44.20 | Kraps | oh ive known about the grown up thing for a while |
| 14:44.46 | Kraps | its quite nice |
| 14:45.34 | krka | that picture is morphed or something right? |
| 14:45.44 | alestane | Emma Watson...she played Hermione Granger? |
| 14:45.49 | Kanedra | Yeah, alestane |
| 14:46.19 | Kraps | http://labelleetleblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/emma-watson1g.jpg |
| 14:48.47 | nicoli_s | hey, anyone in here know how to DMCA? |
| 14:50.01 | Ackis | Instead of making a Y with your arms/body, you make a D |
| 14:50.22 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 14:50.39 | nicoli_s | but in all seriousness, someone is hosting my tools illegally and i need to shut him down |
| 14:50.59 | Lopeppeppy | You mean "cease and desist". Cairenn had a form letter for that... |
| 14:51.07 | Kanedra | http://thepiratebay.org/legal |
| 14:51.08 | Kanedra | Have fun ;p |
| 14:51.20 | Kanedra | Plenty of examples there for DMCA. |
| 14:51.29 | foxlit | hm. |
| 14:51.33 | alestane | Gonna say, talk to Cairenn or Shirik, I know they've had to jump on people. |
| 14:51.36 | foxlit | why can I suddenly load it? |
| 14:51.46 | nicoli_s | thx will ask them |
| 14:51.50 | Kanedra | :< |
| 14:51.55 | foxlit | ah, google. |
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| 14:55.25 | Kraps | MW2 is on sale |
| 14:56.36 | Kaio_ | Hi ! I want to create an addon which joins two channels (1 first and after 1 is joined the second!) .. but i need to do this when the loading screen is finished and the char is fully loaded.. any suggestions? events? |
| 14:57.24 | Arathros | entering world |
| 14:57.59 | Kaio_ | but i read that on enter world fires in the loading screen |
| 14:58.11 | Arathros | the last thing the loading screen odes |
| 14:58.24 | Arathros | as to my knowledge ;P |
| 14:58.49 | mitch0 | I'd do it in the first OnUpdate, then just unset the OnUpdate script |
| 14:59.07 | Kaio_ | the first onupdate fires when everything is fully loaded? |
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| 14:59.46 | mitch0 | that's my guess |
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| 14:59.58 | Kaio_ | hm thanks i will try it |
| 15:01.53 | Kraps | "I heard of people rolling the dice or something to get turned into a new class and I wana figure out how to do it and how to get the specific class I want to roll for Someone please reply to this and help me out? " |
| 15:02.25 | Arathros | lol |
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| 15:06.03 | Kaio_ | Interface: 30300 -> 3.3.0 ? |
| 15:06.31 | nevcairiel | yes. |
| 15:06.34 | Kaio_ | thanks |
| 15:06.35 | nevcairiel | also 3.3.3 |
| 15:06.37 | nevcairiel | and 3.3.20 |
| 15:06.57 | nevcairiel | minor versions have no special interface version :) |
| 15:07.25 | Kaio_ | good to know |
| 15:07.31 | Kraps | update much? http://wow.mmodb.com/ |
| 15:07.48 | nevcairiel | wth is mmodb |
| 15:07.50 | nicoli_s | haha |
| 15:07.53 | nicoli_s | thats my site :P |
| 15:08.03 | nicoli_s | i quit working there years ago though |
| 15:08.49 | Kraps | on offense but the lotr db is old too :/ |
| 15:08.49 | nicoli_s | we had 1 coder and one data entry guy and we had like a dozen sites |
| 15:08.58 | nicoli_s | yah no one works there any more |
| 15:09.25 | nicoli_s | we were the biggest lotro and ddo db sites at one time |
| 15:10.25 | nicoli_s | i dunno why the owners bother to keep it up honestly |
| 15:10.30 | Kaio_ | gnah onupdate fires too fast |
| 15:10.40 | Kaio_ | my channel is now 1. |
| 15:11.12 | Maldivia | Adys ? |
| 15:12.27 | Kraps | nicoli_s: seems the network would make tons of money in theory |
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| 15:14.08 | Adys | Maldivia: ? |
| 15:14.39 | Kaio_ | is there a way i can puase the script 1 or 2 seconds? |
| 15:14.46 | Adys | that db isnt mine |
| 15:15.09 | Adys | http://wow.mmodb.com/items/scroll-of-darnassus-140195.php |
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| 15:15.22 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:15.55 | Adys | what's so hard in making a db that actually works at least a LITTLE bit |
| 15:16.07 | Adys | i never understood all the issues thottbot had for example |
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| 15:17.02 | Adys | their aion db looks somewhat better |
| 15:17.03 | Maldivia | Adys: you have a search key on db.mmo for the cumulative-aura field ? |
| 15:17.10 | Adys | stack |
| 15:17.18 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/spells/?stack__gt=5 |
| 15:17.31 | nicoli_s | Adys: they did aion after i left, was the first redesign they did in years |
| 15:17.33 | Maldivia | thanks :) |
| 15:17.50 | nicoli_s | and i started on this site when i was like 16 so i was a total newb |
| 15:17.51 | nevcairiel | nicoli_s: so thats why, you didnt have your fingers in that one! |
| 15:17.58 | nicoli_s | ouch |
| 15:18.07 | nicoli_s | its actually all my backend code, they just recoded some of the front end |
| 15:18.09 | Kaio_ | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/135080 would that work to pause the addon 2 secs? |
| 15:18.25 | nevcairiel | Kaio_: sure, pausing your whole WoW client with it |
| 15:18.26 | nicoli_s | and Kraps: wed make a bunch of money if we were better known and had staff to update all the sites |
| 15:18.29 | Adys | http://thottbot.com/ |
| 15:18.32 | Adys | .. 404? |
| 15:18.35 | Kaio_ | mhm |
| 15:18.38 | nicoli_s | but i mean it was a nice starting job |
| 15:18.39 | Adys | See |
| 15:18.41 | Adys | I'm just here |
| 15:18.45 | nicoli_s | and it helped me get scalped by curse :) |
| 15:18.54 | Kraps | nice |
| 15:18.57 | Adys | saying "hey, I'll talk some good stuff about thottbot, they improved since back then in 2004" |
| 15:19.01 | Adys | and I end up on a 404 |
| 15:19.03 | Kaio_ | any way that wont pause the whole client? |
| 15:19.08 | nevcairiel | i dont even get a connection to that domain |
| 15:19.21 | Adys | yeah nev its completely down |
| 15:19.22 | nicoli_s | i worked at thottbot too :) |
| 15:19.31 | nevcairiel | thats not 404 |
| 15:19.34 | nevcairiel | learn your http! |
| 15:19.51 | Adys | yeah whatever |
| 15:19.51 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 15:19.53 | Kraps | "(page 3) I'd like to take this time to remind my apprentices' that scrying pools are not to be used for displaying students of the opposite sex on a pay per view basis. Consider this your last warning." |
| 15:20.08 | Adys | nicoli_s: did you basically work at every single shitty db website? :P |
| 15:20.24 | nicoli_s | adys: ouch |
| 15:20.30 | Adys | wowhead has been drifting this way lately as well |
| 15:20.38 | Adys | they completely gave up on parsing new spell strings |
| 15:20.38 | nicoli_s | i worked at thottbot teaching him how to use dbc and wdb files |
| 15:20.48 | nicoli_s | he used to use lua for everything, even spells |
| 15:20.55 | Adys | see |
| 15:20.56 | Adys | even that |
| 15:21.07 | nicoli_s | i only worked there for a few months |
| 15:21.26 | nicoli_s | then got moved to ogaming, this other DB network, then it got bought out and they fired all the coders |
| 15:21.26 | Maldivia | Adys: well, wowhead hasn't even gotten points-per-level right, so.. |
| 15:21.34 | nicoli_s | fuck wowhead |
| 15:21.36 | Adys | http://worldofwarcraft.judgehype.com/index.php?page=bc-objs&w=1&t=1&c=4 |
| 15:21.38 | Adys | see those |
| 15:21.44 | Adys | this is entirely lua |
| 15:21.45 | nicoli_s | ill never forgive those guys for ripping off my model viewer |
| 15:21.55 | Adys | and damn it's a LOT better than thottbot's 2004 db |
| 15:22.03 | Adys | Maldivia: points per level? |
| 15:22.06 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 15:22.15 | nevcairiel | wowhead is the only db that has all the features, so create something that can compete, and then complain :d |
| 15:22.22 | Adys | http://worldofwarcraft.judgehype.com/index.php?page=bc-pnj&w=41581 |
| 15:22.31 | Adys | nevcairiel: i am! |
| 15:22.42 | nevcairiel | still needs tons of work |
| 15:22.51 | Ackis | rawr im in training right now |
| 15:23.04 | Adys | hey if you go that way I have tons of features wowhead cant even begin to compete with. |
| 15:23.21 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/mails/ |
| 15:23.24 | Adys | WHO HAS THAT |
| 15:23.25 | Adys | RIGHT |
| 15:23.38 | Kaio_ | is there an onjoinchannel event? |
| 15:23.38 | nicoli_s | lol nice adys |
| 15:23.42 | Ackis | key logger |
| 15:23.50 | Kraps | Make absolutely certain you know your destination before attempting to teleport. There's a reason we have very specific spells to teleport to certain locations - attempts to cast a teleportation on the fly often result in one very dead mage inside a wall, chair, or another mage, and I don't mean in a fun way. |
| 15:23.54 | Adys | !api channel_ |
| 15:23.57 | Adys | !api _channel |
| 15:23.58 | lua_bot | Found 16 possible matches for 'channel_'. Please be more specific |
| 15:23.58 | nevcairiel | Adys: who needs mails :D |
| 15:24.01 | lua_bot | Found 10 possible results for '_channel': CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_JOIN, CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_LIST, VOICE_CHANNEL_STATUS_UPDATE, UNIT_SPELLCAST_CHANNEL_UPDATE, UNIT_SPELLCAST_CHANNEL_STOP, UNIT_SPELLCAST_CHANNEL_START, CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_NOTICE, CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_LEAVE, CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL, CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_NOTICE_USER |
| 15:24.08 | nevcairiel | i need a convenient interface to look for items |
| 15:24.09 | Kaio_ | thanks |
| 15:24.10 | Adys | Kaio_: CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_JOIN i guess |
| 15:24.12 | Kraps | Archmage Ansirem Runeweaver was totally dude, dude |
| 15:24.35 | Adys | nevcairiel: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/46802/heavy-murloc-egg/#tab=mail_attachment |
| 15:24.42 | Adys | be honest |
| 15:24.44 | Adys | that is awesome. |
| 15:25.13 | Kaio_ | Fires when another character joins a world or custom chat channel monitored by the player. |
| 15:25.17 | Kaio_ | hmmm |
| 15:25.38 | Kaio_ | i think i will use CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_NOTICE |
| 15:25.58 | Adys | nevcairiel: more seriously, if you got more ideas for the db I'm all ears |
| 15:26.04 | Adys | been working lately on some cataclysm crap |
| 15:26.07 | foxlit | Isle of Conquest: a bad battleground or the worst battleground? |
| 15:26.18 | Adys | foxlit: eots = worst |
| 15:26.32 | foxlit | eots is a problem if your team are idiots |
| 15:26.39 | foxlit | Which is a reasonable assumption, but anyhow |
| 15:26.43 | Kraps | i love eots |
| 15:26.44 | Adys | i find IoC quite enjoyable for a 40man battleground |
| 15:26.48 | Adys | compared to new AV |
| 15:26.55 | Ackis | IoC? |
| 15:27.11 | foxlit | WSG, AB, EOTS, even SotA aren't bad |
| 15:27.32 | foxlit | Player strategies for AV make it PvE content |
| 15:27.53 | foxlit | while isle of conquest is a trainwreck of different ideas |
| 15:28.43 | Adys | ioc actually feels alive |
| 15:28.56 | Adys | in AV, honestly.. most of the time do you even see horde? |
| 15:29.29 | foxlit | Also, 40-man battlegrounds are a pain |
| 15:30.23 | foxlit | Perhaps I should stop attempting to heal those people. |
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| 15:37.35 | Kaio_ | http://pastebin.com/jk3Sm9VZ this one doesnt say anything in the chat but produces no errors |
| 15:37.43 | Kaio_ | seems that the event issnt fired |
| 15:38.36 | foxlit | you're lucky the event isn't fired. |
| 15:38.48 | Kaio_ | i know i think it just fired... damit |
| 15:38.52 | foxlit | That code would produce an instant freeze :) |
| 15:39.37 | Kaio_ | hm lol if i create a new char it fires |
| 15:42.52 | Kaio_ | yeah it works ..finaly |
| 15:44.25 | Kaio_ | one last thing.. if a window pops up with two buttons "ok" "chancel" can i get the names of these buttons and press them via the addon? |
| 15:45.58 | Fisker | i break the rules |
| 15:46.10 | Lopeppeppy | My brain is about to go 'splodey! |
| 15:47.08 | Fisker | presents Lopeppeppy a conundrum |
| 15:47.27 | Lopeppeppy | Is is sparkly? |
| 15:47.38 | Lopeppeppy | Does it have anything to do with freakin' college course registration requirements? |
| 15:47.53 | Fisker | idk |
| 15:48.01 | Fisker | my mages are awesome btw |
| 15:48.22 | Lopeppeppy | do they have pre-requisites? |
| 15:48.28 | Fisker | no |
| 15:48.33 | Lopeppeppy | sweet |
| 15:49.33 | Kaio_ | can i call /click from lua? |
| 15:49.48 | Lopeppeppy | deletes a bunch of pre-reqs because she can! |
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| 15:51.41 | alestane | You can, Kaio_, but it will be executed insecurely, so some buttons may fail |
| 15:52.23 | Kaio_ | how i can call it? its just because of an annoying addon i need to fix.. but i'm too lazy to do it now |
| 15:54.04 | Kaio_ | ok sendchatmessage was a nice try... |
| 15:54.47 | alestane | button:Click() |
| 15:54.51 | Lopeppeppy | Perhaps you post the code in a pastey, that will let people take a look at what it's trying to accomplish. |
| 15:56.15 | Kaio_ | its carbonite which keeps asking me for a password ..if i join the chan myself it works |
| 16:04.49 | cog|away | miao |
| 16:05.36 | eidolarr | it seems like every time i steal something with bit torrent, my internet goes out, even if i stop torrenting or shut off the machine |
| 16:05.40 | eidolarr | and it remains out until i reset the modem |
| 16:05.46 | eidolarr | is this some new anti piracy tactic? |
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| 16:06.42 | cog|work | sounds comcastic |
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| 16:07.41 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:14.56 | Lopeppeppy | wheeee |
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| 16:18.08 | Flowy | hello |
| 16:18.47 | Lopeppeppy | morning |
| 16:18.48 | Flowy | http://paste.wowace.com/1945/ |
| 16:18.57 | Flowy | why it returns nil? |
| 16:19.28 | haste | because there is not unitid named arg2 |
| 16:19.40 | Flowy | arg1 is unit |
| 16:19.43 | Flowy | arg2 is spell |
| 16:19.50 | foxlit | Way to go character frame |
| 16:19.53 | foxlit | "Elder Unknown" |
| 16:20.11 | haste | and you're trying to check for a string with the context arg2 Flowy |
| 16:20.30 | Flowy | ah :D thanks |
| 16:20.40 | Shirik | waves at Lopeppeppy |
| 16:20.41 | haste | you also don't assign any local variables named arg1/arg2 |
| 16:20.49 | haste | local arg1, arg2 = ... |
| 16:20.58 | Lopeppeppy | morning, Shirik |
| 16:21.38 | haste | (and you'll want to use 'arg1' here, as your only pulling out from the vararg) |
| 16:22.03 | nicoli_s | hey shirik: someone said youd be the guy to talk to to get help filing a DMCA |
| 16:22.11 | Flowy | SpellStart(event, ...) |
| 16:22.21 | Flowy | it assign arg1 - 3 correctly |
| 16:22.33 | haste | then it's the deprecated globals being used |
| 16:22.39 | haste | which I actually thought they had removed by now |
| 16:22.53 | haste | do local unit, spell = ... regardless |
| 16:23.09 | foxlit | haste: everybody seems to think that since forever |
| 16:23.39 | haste | they said it was deprecated in 2.0 :P |
| 16:23.41 | haste | so no wonder |
| 16:23.53 | foxlit | Not removed, though |
| 16:24.09 | haste | it should have been removed in 3.0 by any sane logic then :p |
| 16:26.07 | Flowy | is there any spell that gets cast time 0 throught talents? |
| 16:26.22 | haste | corruption |
| 16:26.56 | Flowy | and then it triggers events like instant or normal spell? |
| 16:27.16 | haste | like instant most likely |
| 16:27.31 | Flowy | ok thanks :) |
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| 16:29.09 | foxlit | "Make emp researched instead of cloak, I'm losing versus terran" "You'll get nuked, you know" "Make nukes researched!" |
| 16:31.09 | Flowy | do anyone known why they remove /in slash on WLK? |
| 16:31.59 | alestane | They didn't. |
| 16:32.08 | alestane | It's never been part of the stock UI. |
| 16:32.17 | Flowy | it was ace? |
| 16:32.25 | foxlit | and cosmos before that. |
| 16:32.26 | alestane | Ace or InDemand. |
| 16:33.09 | alestane | Corruption is fundamentally instant-cast these days, haste. |
| 16:33.45 | Flowy | and is there something like /in now? (in Ace) |
| 16:33.59 | Lunessa | AceConsole |
| 16:34.18 | durcyn | did that one survive the 2->3 rewrite? |
| 16:35.16 | Lunessa | *nod* |
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| 16:36.40 | Lunessa | I'm fairly certain of it, since I'm not using Ace2 or InDemnad and my one macro with /in works. |
| 16:38.39 | Shirik | lmao |
| 16:38.40 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kenton_High_School_(Kenton,_Ohio)&diff=prev&oldid=354971450 |
| 16:38.58 | Ackis | Shirik: see the WP drama I linked earlier? |
| 16:39.02 | Shirik | no |
| 16:39.04 | Flowy | hmm I'm using xperl dominos atlas ... is it possible that no one from this are using AceConsole? |
| 16:40.12 | Shirik | lol what do they think they're going to do? |
| 16:40.15 | Ackis | Shirik: http://bit.ly/cFXNfk |
| 16:40.21 | Shirik | get enough people to somehow override our policies? |
| 16:41.23 | Ackis | I'm just enjoying the show :D |
| 16:41.39 | foxlit | There's a show? |
| 16:41.43 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: /in is not in Ace3 anymore. |
| 16:41.52 | foxlit | I scrolled through the edit history, and it's pretty tame. |
| 16:41.59 | Lunessa | Well, then... I'm wrong. /shame |
| 16:42.00 | Shirik | yeah I was thinking the same |
| 16:42.09 | Shirik | but I'm going to watchlist it |
| 16:42.34 | Lunessa | There's always InDemand. |
| 16:42.41 | Flowy | nevcairiel why it was removed? |
| 16:42.44 | Dashkal | *snickers* Someone complaining that hunters will get their pet at l1. |
| 16:43.01 | nevcairiel | Flowy: doesnt really belong in a library. |
| 16:43.19 | foxlit | Dashkal: rogues complaining about camo yet? |
| 16:43.32 | Dashkal | Oh of course. How dare they give hunters our stealth! |
| 16:43.38 | Dashkal | Um, did you even read it? |
| 16:43.42 | Ackis | Shirik: one of the big "issues" seems to be people switching the picture of the dude |
| 16:44.28 | Flowy | Lunessa InDemand is addon? |
| 16:44.43 | Lunessa | Yes. Should be on WoWInterface.com |
| 16:45.03 | Flowy | yes thanks ... it was not on curse |
| 16:45.04 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8294-InDemandNowwithrpt.html |
| 16:45.29 | foxlit | So they're making battle.net have a periodic cost with SC2? |
| 16:45.31 | Shirik | Ackis: I don't see that o.o |
| 16:45.42 | nevcairiel | foxlit: and i thought they denied that long ago |
| 16:46.02 | Ackis | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Julian_Assange&action=historysubmit&diff=354949441&oldid=354948457 <-- I think it's gone back and forth 3x now |
| 16:48.11 | Shirik | ah |
| 16:48.17 | Shirik | oh well, it's how wiki works |
| 16:48.24 | Shirik | until you start seeing something like.... |
| 16:48.56 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milton_Friedman&action=history |
| 16:49.01 | Shirik | "undid" "undid" "undid" "undid" "undid" |
| 16:49.07 | Shirik | that's when it's bad :P |
| 16:49.26 | Ackis | lol |
| 16:49.41 | foxlit | nevcairiel: and again recently. |
| 16:53.36 | Adys | hey kd3 |
| 16:53.40 | Adys | sota cap in 3min10 \o/ |
| 16:55.27 | Flowy | can I call local function inSlash(input) (function in InDemand addon) from macro? |
| 16:57.47 | Adys | if it's in the global space, yes |
| 16:58.53 | alestane | You have any extra rugged leather kicking around, Lunessa? |
| 16:59.13 | Lunessa | negative ghostrider. |
| 16:59.51 | Ackis | woohoo jester's dead |
| 17:04.54 | alestane | I may have to resort to farming it. |
| 17:05.02 | alestane | Nothing but Knothide in Outland. |
| 17:05.13 | alestane | And the AH wants 30g a stack. |
| 17:05.24 | Lopeppeppy | farming farming farming! |
| 17:06.02 | alestane | "Should have a bumper crop of Turtle Scales coming up the west field next month, Eliza." |
| 17:07.34 | DWSR | rofl |
| 17:07.39 | recluse | is wowi not loading its css, or is it just on my end? |
| 17:07.47 | DWSR | I just saw an ad for a guild called "Gotta catch em all PKMN". |
| 17:07.49 | DWSR | They duel pets. |
| 17:07.56 | DWSR | BM hunters, demo locks, unholy DKs. |
| 17:08.03 | DWSR | I fucking lol'ed. |
| 17:11.07 | Lunessa | I love working on Friday. I love telling someone through an interpreter that despite the fact that they've worked here for months, no one ever submitted the paperwork for their account, so No, I can't help you login to review your pay-stubs. |
| 17:11.25 | Lunessa | And by love I mean, would rather gargle broken glass. |
| 17:11.31 | Ackis | lol wtf |
| 17:14.05 | Fisker | hurr hurr |
| 17:14.20 | Fisker | one and a half level each random dungeon :o |
| 17:14.27 | industrial | DERP DERP |
| 17:14.35 | industrial | improved backstab in AB |
| 17:14.36 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: how is that related to fridays? |
| 17:14.57 | industrial | Fisker: my ROUGE is level 26 :3 |
| 17:15.09 | Lunessa | Because on Fridays I'm the only 'supervisor' on duty, and I'm the only one with that level of access and authority. |
| 17:15.22 | Fisker | my MAGE is level 18 industrial |
| 17:15.25 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 17:15.30 | nevcairiel | so you cant avoid the silly people |
| 17:15.49 | Lunessa | Or the mid-30s lady who is about to cry because I can't help her. |
| 17:16.07 | KarlKFI | Lunessa: i think /in is also part of Chronos. It's been coppied to a dozen different addons by now |
| 17:16.22 | Lunessa | KarlKFI: Is anyone still maintaining Chronos? |
| 17:16.30 | KarlKFI | it still works |
| 17:16.35 | Lunessa | *nod* on |
| 17:16.37 | Lunessa | ok |
| 17:17.14 | KarlKFI | it's a library that doesn't hook anything or use any complex frames, so it's kind of hard to kill |
| 17:17.40 | Lunessa | Rocking. Zombie Library! |
| 17:18.30 | KarlKFI | last updated 10-16-2008 |
| 17:20.08 | Lunessa | alestane: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-15571.html |
| 17:21.10 | alestane | I saw that one yesterday, I think. |
| 17:21.25 | alestane | I don't think it makes enough sense out of context. |
| 17:23.02 | alestane | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-15592.html |
| 17:24.52 | alestane | *snark* |
| 17:24.53 | alestane | "Important life lesson - flammable and inflammable mean the same thing" |
| 17:25.19 | Lunessa | That site is mucho entertaining. |
| 17:25.47 | Lunessa | Spanish deliberately mangled for my amusement. |
| 17:30.06 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/15053/52ceb45665307762853c6c9f0085a78f.jpg |
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| 17:35.38 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/508247978 |
| 17:37.00 | Fisker | slaps alestane around a bit with a large trout |
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| 18:16.59 | Ackis | someone tried to hack my facebook! :( |
| 18:17.17 | Thunder_Child | i feel sorry for them |
| 18:17.31 | DWSR | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 18:19.40 | industrial | I'm considering closing my facebook account. I don't use it. |
| 18:19.54 | Ackis | I use mine to post pics of puppies and kitties |
| 18:21.13 | Thunder_Child | in that case, close Ackis's while you are at it |
| 18:23.19 | Ackis | :( |
| 18:24.01 | industrial | ^^ |
| 18:25.42 | industrial | Are you sure you want to deactivate your account? David will miss you. aww tekkub <3 |
| 18:27.10 | Ackis | awww how sweet |
| 18:29.11 | industrial | computer generated love |
| 18:30.53 | Ackis | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/funny-facebook-plz-useit.png |
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| 18:40.33 | industrial | Apparently the government of Utah thinks I need to see their new water Reservoir! |
| 18:40.48 | industrial | guess they have the wrong email =D |
| 18:40.59 | industrial | since I kinda live on the other side of the planet ... |
| 18:41.34 | Lunessa | It's ok, the only good thing about Utah is skiing. |
| 18:42.22 | Dagmar | What about polygamy? |
| 18:42.24 | industrial | I love snow sports \o/ I go every year |
| 18:44.14 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Actually, I don't think they still have statewide polygamy as an institution. |
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| 18:44.51 | Dagmar | If it were institutionalized it wouldn't be as much fun |
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| 18:46.54 | Lunessa | Nothing institutionalized is ever as much fun. :P |
| 18:47.38 | Lopeppeppy | I'm fun... |
| 18:48.12 | Lunessa | But hey, in Texas bigamy is only a Misdemeanor. |
| 18:48.23 | Lunessa | At least according to Wikipedia. |
| 18:48.25 | Lopeppeppy | Oh well, only! |
| 18:48.38 | Ackis | sex is a Misdemeanor. |
| 18:48.43 | Ackis | da more I mis, da meaner I get |
| 18:48.46 | Adys | http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/04/shortcuts-for-google-translate-and.html |
| 18:48.49 | Adys | thank god |
| 18:49.24 | Adys | http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2010/04/using-site-speed-in-web-search-ranking.html |
| 18:50.17 | Ackis | omg new pokemon announced! black and white! |
| 18:50.17 | Ackis | http://www.pokemon.co.jp/bw/index.html |
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| 18:53.11 | Lunessa | Wanted: Cheeseburger delivery to my office, Jack and Coke, rock music, and conversation. |
| 18:53.14 | Dagmar | Well... looks like they've finally run out of ideas. |
| 18:53.41 | Dagmar | I suppose we'll also see a new breed of NaN monsters shaped like the numbers 0-9 |
| 18:54.19 | Dagmar | Personally, I'd rather see Pokemon Vinyl/Leather |
| 18:55.38 | Dagmar | "Pokemon Trainer" heh heh heh |
| 18:55.57 | Lunessa | ... Wouldn't that be Pokemon: Fetish and be rated P for Pervert? |
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| 18:56.25 | Sixen | hm. So i've been sitting in #wouidev for the last hour. |
| 18:56.46 | Lunessa | ~fail Sixen |
| 18:56.46 | purl | Sixen, you Fail! |
| 18:57.04 | Sixen | =( |
| 19:02.55 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 19:04.30 | Thunder_Child | obviously the conversation is just as engaging |
| 19:06.18 | Sixen | :P. |
| 19:06.30 | Sixen | I think I was having more fun in #wouidev. |
| 19:07.05 | Thunder_Child | at least you were not getting ridiculed |
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| 19:07.07 | teetow | yay |
| 19:07.15 | Sixen | YEah, really :P. |
| 19:08.07 | Thunder_Child | i blame Lunessa and nicoli_s |
| 19:08.13 | Thunder_Child | for saying something before i did |
| 19:08.13 | Adys | i blame Cairenn|afk |
| 19:08.16 | Lopeppeppy | Or me. |
| 19:08.23 | Adys | im not blaming you |
| 19:08.24 | Adys | go away |
| 19:08.28 | teetow | no, no, I take full responsibility. |
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| 19:12.28 | Lunessa | Lunessa's Law: Somehow, in some fashion, it is always my fault. |
| 19:13.49 | Lopeppeppy | Nuh uh. teetow says it's all about him/her, so I'm going with it! |
| 19:13.59 | Thunder_Child | it's always your fault Lopeppeppy |
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| 19:14.18 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me TC. On second thought don't, unless you've gotten your distemper vaccination updated recently. |
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| 19:14.51 | Lunessa | bites Lopeppeppy. |
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| 19:15.01 | Thunder_Child | bites Lopeppeppy with rabies |
| 19:15.48 | NightHawkTheSane | bites his tasty tasty Jimmy Johns sub. |
| 19:16.41 | Thunder_Child | thinks that NightHawkTheSane is using a euphemism |
| 19:17.09 | NightHawkTheSane | I would not sully the deliciousness of this sub with a euphamism. |
| 19:19.32 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 19:19.51 | Lopeppeppy | I like Lunessa's bite and NHTS's sub, in that order. |
| 19:29.37 | Adys | Minimize DNS lookups |
| 19:29.37 | Adys | The domains of the following URLs only serve one resource each. If possible, avoid the extra DNS lookups by serving these resources from existing domains: |
| 19:29.37 | Adys | http://www.google-analytics.com/ga.js |
| 19:29.42 | Adys | Thank you for the advice google |
| 19:33.00 | Dashkal | Huh, wow-on-linux just got an outright blue nod on the eu forums (not supporting it, just a nod): http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/12947132974/wow-on-ubuntu-9-10/ |
| 19:33.52 | Adys | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=285139220&pageNo=1&sid=1#8 |
| 19:33.54 | Adys | it already had one |
| 19:33.55 | Adys | :p |
| 19:34.17 | Dashkal | heh, fair enough, but still cool to see |
| 19:34.21 | Adys | ya |
| 19:34.35 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 19:34.48 | Cairenn|afk | Adys: that's foul play, blaming someone while they aren't here to defend themselves! |
| 19:34.56 | Adys | yes well |
| 19:35.03 | Cairenn | kicks Adys |
| 19:35.03 | Adys | you own damn fault for being afk! |
| 19:35.05 | Dashkal | I just wish the mouse lag could be dealt with (AFAIK HW Mouse isn't possible in the version of opengl they target?) |
| 19:35.08 | Cairenn | bite me! |
| 19:35.15 | Adys | ~bite Cairenn |
| 19:35.16 | purl | ACTION takes a big bite out of Cairenn's jugular vein |
| 19:35.26 | Cairenn | >< |
| 19:36.01 | Fisker | ~seen Cairenn |
| 19:36.03 | purl | cairenn is currently on #waruidev #wowuidev #wowace #wowwiki. Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 37s, last said: '><'. |
| 19:36.48 | Irish` | stalkeriffic |
| 19:37.12 | Cairenn | is used to it |
| 19:37.28 | Dashkal | mmm, irc stalking |
| 19:41.26 | Lunessa | has been stalking Cairenn for years. |
| 19:41.34 | Cairenn | giggles at Lunessa |
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| 19:44.20 | Dashkal | Sixen: ever consider an irc proxy so you don't miss one line in 5 like that? :P |
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| 19:46.00 | tem|afk | silly protoss trying to fast expand vs zerg |
| 19:46.27 | Dashkal | From a random comment: "In addition to a ranged slot you are give a "Ranged pet weapon slot" allowing you to lob squirrels at peoples faces with in 15 yards and dual wield large animals in melee. Be careful, if not well fed your wolf-chucks might bite you!" |
| 19:46.47 | Dashkal | A squirrel launcher would be epic |
| 19:47.06 | teetow | finally, rat flail! |
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| 19:50.26 | teetow | screw it, I'll just ask outright: I'm trying to find out if Pitbull can show who's ressing a player in raid. Is it already done, or can it be done? |
| 19:51.01 | tem|afk | it can be done |
| 19:51.10 | KarlKFI | it'd done by a lot fo addons |
| 19:51.12 | tem|afk | but step one is ridding yourself of the plague that is pitbull |
| 19:51.28 | teetow | I want you to imagine the sound of my sould being slowly ground to dust. |
| 19:51.32 | teetow | soul, even. |
| 19:51.44 | Dashkal | Heh, blizz UI for party and grid for raids ftw :P (I'm serious, but also insane) |
| 19:52.25 | tem|afk | back to work with me |
| 19:52.29 | teetow | didn't really get along with grid, default config seems very healer-centric |
| 19:52.36 | tem|afk | sc2 lunchbreak is now over |
| 19:53.06 | Dashkal | Default config is, but spending a half hour setting it up isn't so big a chore for me. |
| 19:53.15 | Dashkal | I mean, do it once and leave it for the next few months |
| 19:53.21 | teetow | well, sure |
| 19:53.44 | teetow | I'm just short on patience after trying out most of the unit frame addons over the last few days |
| 19:53.52 | Dashkal | As DPS the only reason I even have it up is so I can see how much of the raid is alive at a glance. I could probably do away with raid frames entirely. |
| 19:54.10 | KarlKFI | i like praid |
| 19:54.14 | Dashkal | Disclaimer: I'm a DK, I don't have secondary dispell duity or the like |
| 19:54.14 | teetow | well, there it is -- I'm DPS, but I'm a kitty. so there's the occasional res. |
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| 19:54.49 | Dashkal | But I do like my grid of who's dead and is about to get a ghoul res because we have no druid today. |
| 19:55.03 | teetow | yeah. |
| 19:55.27 | teetow | I mean, I'd stick with x-perl, but it's kinda hard to get the look I'm after |
| 19:55.36 | Sixen | wut, dash? |
| 19:55.39 | teetow | ag_uf and pitbull is much nicer in that regard |
| 19:55.52 | Sixen | Oh. |
| 19:55.53 | Sixen | Heh |
| 19:55.59 | Dashkal | I used to really like agUF, but ended up going back to blizz for 5 mans simply because I wanted to reduce my addon footprint. |
| 19:56.13 | Dashkal | Sixen: :P |
| 19:56.15 | Sixen | :P |
| 19:56.29 | nevcairiel | aguf is dead, fwiw :p |
| 19:56.43 | teetow | too much of a font / real-estate manic for that, I'm afraid... |
| 19:56.44 | Dashkal | awww |
| 19:57.08 | Dashkal | I might just go back to using grid for 5 mans as well. I even wrote a little addon-addon to put the party indicators back on for that purpose. |
| 19:57.21 | teetow | so, anyway, pitbull has this custom lua field you can fiddle about with |
| 19:57.43 | teetow | figured I'd poke around and figure out if I can swap the name for "yyy ressing" if they're being targeted by a res |
| 19:57.48 | Dashkal | If you're willing to use LUA for customization, OUF might be worth a day spent fiddling sometime. |
| 19:57.56 | Dashkal | s/LUA/lua |
| 19:58.15 | haste | s/OUF/oUF/ |
| 19:58.17 | teetow | yeah, I have it here somewhere |
| 19:58.35 | haste | also, SUF is awesome |
| 19:58.36 | Dashkal | I've been typing far too many TLAs recently, now everything gets capitalized... |
| 19:59.32 | KarlKFI | s/LUA/Lua |
| 19:59.41 | Dashkal | bah |
| 19:59.57 | Dashkal | yeah, it would be a proper noun used in that context |
| 20:01.07 | Dashkal | At the risk of starting a flamewar; I am really looking forward to hunters in cata. It looks like the skillcap is going up quite a bit. |
| 20:01.31 | Shirik | ok mysql geniuses, I have a DB question for you |
| 20:01.41 | Shirik | well not really specific to mysql I guess |
| 20:01.47 | KarlKFI | so why is it again that polearms are only good for hunters? |
| 20:02.10 | KarlKFI | i <3'd that polearm from ZG back int he day |
| 20:02.16 | Shirik | I have a table of users, with an ID and name. I also have a table of groups (columns "userid" and "group", and you can have multiple entries in that table if you belong to multiple groups) |
| 20:02.18 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:02.28 | Shirik | I want to select all users that do NOT belong to a group |
| 20:02.34 | Shirik | any bright ideas on how to do that? |
| 20:02.43 | KarlKFI | easy |
| 20:03.07 | Dashkal | I'm thinking select distinct with an (outer?) join |
| 20:03.13 | KarlKFI | eww |
| 20:03.22 | Dashkal | First thought. I'm no expert :P |
| 20:03.24 | KarlKFI | distinct can diaf |
| 20:03.38 | Shirik | I can show you my current code |
| 20:04.20 | Dashkal | Serious question: why distinct hate? I would have figured you would need that when outer joining (I might be mentioning teh wrong join, I want one of the primary row for each matching joined row). |
| 20:05.18 | KarlKFI | just use group by |
| 20:05.21 | Shirik | here's my current code (note the highlighted lines) http://wowi.pastey.net/135089 |
| 20:05.37 | Shirik | The problem occurs when the user belongs to multiple groups, including the "autoreviewer" group |
| 20:05.47 | Shirik | oh you can drop distinct |
| 20:05.52 | Shirik | that's not really there, that was just a test I was doing |
| 20:06.43 | Shirik | I'm not familiar with GROUPBY, KarlKFI, care to enlighten me? |
| 20:07.01 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:07.21 | KarlKFI | it's like ORDER BY except for groups of rows |
| 20:07.27 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
| 20:07.31 | Shadowed | no |
| 20:07.32 | Shadowed | go away |
| 20:07.36 | Fisker | Shadowed |
| 20:07.36 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/04/09/funny-pictures-has-a-wonder-about/ |
| 20:07.39 | Dashkal | hmm, I have a very limited understanding og group by, time to read |
| 20:07.52 | Fisker | you know what i think is awesome Shadowed ? |
| 20:07.54 | foxlit | GROUP BY is for collation |
| 20:07.59 | foxlit | MAX, SUM, AVG and so on |
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| 20:08.09 | *** part/#wowuidev Sixen1 (~Sixen@129-219-141-107.nat.asu.edu) |
| 20:08.24 | zenzelezz | COUNT |
| 20:08.44 | Shirik | ok I see those functions, but I don't see a way, after using GROUP BY, to be able to look in the group to see if a particular entity is there |
| 20:08.47 | foxlit | Hm, shirik |
| 20:08.48 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
| 20:08.59 | Fisker | Shirik is a jerk :( |
| 20:09.14 | foxlit | do an OUTER JOIN specifically for the autoreviewer group |
| 20:09.19 | foxlit | And filter it away with WHERE |
| 20:09.36 | KarlKFI | uh |
| 20:09.52 | KarlKFI | i dotn see autoreviewer |
| 20:09.53 | Shirik | oh god |
| 20:09.59 | foxlit | Alternatively, you can use a subquery |
| 20:10.07 | Shirik | I've never used anything but inner joins because I don't understand them >< |
| 20:10.23 | foxlit | Outer joins: columns are NULL if they don't match |
| 20:10.26 | Shirik | KarlKFI: AND g.group != "autoreviewer" |
| 20:10.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Repo (~supybot@repos.curseforge.net) |
| 20:10.48 | KarlKFI | but yes. you can outerjoin the groups they're in, use where to filter out the group you dotn want and then use group by to merge all the group resonses into one user row |
| 20:11.23 | Shirik | oh I get it, so outer join for "autoreviewer" and anything that doesn't have an autoreviewer will be null, including those that have no groups |
| 20:11.39 | Shirik | ok |
| 20:12.17 | KarlKFI | GROUP BY u.user_id |
| 20:12.38 | KarlKFI | or g.ug_user same hting |
| 20:12.45 | KarlKFI | actually no |
| 20:12.48 | KarlKFI | u.user_id |
| 20:12.49 | Shirik | foxlit, something like this? http://wowi.pastey.net/135090 |
| 20:12.57 | KarlKFI | because g.ug_user will be optional |
| 20:12.57 | foxlit | min, Lady |
| 20:12.59 | Shirik | KarlKFI, you don't like that solution? |
| 20:13.50 | KarlKFI | it should work |
| 20:14.00 | Shirik | but why do you seem to encourage GROUP BY instead? :) |
| 20:14.18 | Shirik | I'd prefer the most efficient solution if that's why, considering I'm running a query on Wikipedia's database. It has...... a lot of rows. |
| 20:14.46 | KarlKFI | GROUP BY u.user_id is technically more correct when joining more tables. distinct will merge all the rows where the select results are the same |
| 20:15.18 | KarlKFI | and your's not selecting the userid, so... |
| 20:15.24 | KarlKFI | it may not be correct |
| 20:15.48 | Dashkal | KarlKFI: Danke for the tip on group by. This time the docs actually made some sense |
| 20:16.15 | KarlKFI | groups by is an explicit distinct, really |
| 20:16.25 | KarlKFI | distinct uses ALL selects |
| 20:16.28 | Shirik | ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'OUTER JOIN user_groups as g |
| 20:16.50 | KarlKFI | try "right join" |
| 20:17.10 | Shirik | that worked better |
| 20:17.22 | KarlKFI | yeah left = inner, right = outer |
| 20:17.30 | KarlKFI | depends ont he sql engine |
| 20:17.55 | KarlKFI | i personally prefer left/right |
| 20:18.04 | KarlKFI | and i think that might be ANSI, not sure |
| 20:18.29 | KarlKFI | if you use left/right then you can tell which one is optional |
| 20:18.40 | foxlit | Er |
| 20:18.50 | foxlit | The full name is RIGHT OUTER JOIN, iirc |
| 20:18.50 | Shirik | hrm, something's wrong here |
| 20:18.53 | foxlit | and LEFT OUTER JOIN |
| 20:18.55 | foxlit | and INNER JOIN |
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| 20:19.03 | KarlKFI | meh |
| 20:19.09 | foxlit | They mean different things :) |
| 20:19.27 | KarlKFI | sorry, my bad |
| 20:19.37 | KarlKFI | inner, left, right |
| 20:20.01 | KarlKFI | the 'outer' is optional |
| 20:20.05 | KarlKFI | the left/right is not |
| 20:20.28 | KarlKFI | This is the ANSI syntax for joining tables: |
| 20:20.28 | KarlKFI | left_table [inner | left [outer] | right [outer]] join right_table |
| 20:20.28 | KarlKFI | on left_column_name = right_column_name |
| 20:20.53 | foxlit | Shirik: hrm, something's wrong here << moo? |
| 20:21.32 | Shirik | Something's wrong. http://wowi.pastey.net/135091 returned an empty set (in 0.00s) but http://wowi.pastey.net/135092 returns 2 rows (which happen to be duplicates because I have 2 permissions, but that's irrelevant really) |
| 20:22.00 | Shirik | note the only difference is the condition checking for "autoreviewer" |
| 20:22.04 | Shirik | and no, I don't have autoreviewer |
| 20:22.53 | foxlit | Shirik: SELECT 1 WHERE NULL = NULL |
| 20:23.03 | foxlit | You mean IS NULL |
| 20:23.17 | KarlKFI | http://wowi.pastey.net/135093 |
| 20:24.03 | Shirik | lol you statement caused an error, foxlit |
| 20:24.12 | Shirik | it doesn't like "NULL=NULL" too much |
| 20:24.18 | foxlit | Really? sqlite didn't complain |
| 20:24.26 | foxlit | It just returned nothing |
| 20:24.42 | KarlKFI | try mine |
| 20:24.44 | cog|work | nothing can = NULL (in the same way NAN != NAN) |
| 20:25.04 | Shirik | btw, IS NULL caused the same problem foxlit |
| 20:26.11 | Shirik | that seems to have worked KarlKFI |
| 20:26.15 | Shirik | what did you do differently? |
| 20:26.37 | KarlKFI | g.group != "autoreviewer" should be int he where because then it will automatically include the null rows. |
| 20:26.41 | KarlKFI | also group by |
| 20:26.45 | KarlKFI | instead of distinct |
| 20:27.01 | KarlKFI | and left join |
| 20:27.29 | KarlKFI | because the groups are optional, not the users |
| 20:27.34 | Adys | I love blizzard |
| 20:27.37 | Adys | They save space |
| 20:27.41 | Adys | They LOVE to save space |
| 20:28.17 | Adys | For example, instead of transmitting a 32-bit integer containing an id every time |
| 20:28.25 | Shirik | oh I don't need distinct at all, really |
| 20:28.29 | Shirik | so can I drop the group by? |
| 20:28.33 | KarlKFI | no |
| 20:28.45 | Adys | They transmit 4 32-bit integers containing such id which are the different possibilities, and then EVERY time they transmit another 32-bit integer, which is an index between 1 and 4 |
| 20:29.08 | Shirik | ok, well do you want to take this one step further, as if you weren't challenged enough? |
| 20:29.11 | KarlKFI | group by groups all the group rows. otherwise you'd have multiple rows per user, one for each group |
| 20:29.14 | Shirik | This isn't actually all I needed to do |
| 20:29.21 | Shirik | I need to produce a count per user |
| 20:29.29 | Shirik | is it easier to modify the SQL or do that once I get the results of this? |
| 20:29.30 | KarlKFI | of gorups? |
| 20:29.44 | Shirik | notice we're getting the user and the page |
| 20:29.50 | Shirik | user could have multiple pages |
| 20:29.53 | Shirik | I need the count of pages |
| 20:29.57 | Shirik | per user |
| 20:29.59 | KarlKFI | easy |
| 20:30.21 | Shirik | also I think I just triggered a slow-query warning |
| 20:30.23 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:30.47 | Shirik | the DB is freaking out |
| 20:31.07 | Shirik | but I'll deal with that later |
| 20:31.34 | KarlKFI | ok so what's common about the pages you want to count? |
| 20:31.47 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:31.54 | Shirik | the fact that they were returned by this query so far |
| 20:31.56 | Ackis | http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-430533?hpt=T2 hahah some moron climbed the pyramids and was forcibly removed |
| 20:32.05 | Shirik | oh |
| 20:32.14 | Shirik | I want to count them based on the user they are paired with |
| 20:32.19 | Shirik | so for each user I need a count |
| 20:32.26 | KarlKFI | a count of what |
| 20:32.31 | KarlKFI | rows? |
| 20:32.37 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:33.36 | Fisker | sounds like something that would be a waste of your time Shirik |
| 20:33.43 | Shirik | I disagree |
| 20:33.47 | foxlit | Shirik: what are we talking about? |
| 20:33.52 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:34.20 | foxlit | You want a count of something, I haven't been reading every line. |
| 20:34.24 | Shirik | ok |
| 20:34.27 | Shirik | so we have this query now |
| 20:34.33 | Shirik | it returns a bunch of page IDs and users |
| 20:34.41 | Shirik | each user could have more than one page ID that matches this query |
| 20:34.45 | foxlit | Right |
| 20:34.47 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:34.48 | Shirik | I need a count, per user, of how many pages matched |
| 20:34.50 | Fisker | Shirik won't hey me |
| 20:34.53 | Fisker | i think he hates me |
| 20:34.54 | foxlit | SELECT user, COUNT(page) GROUP BY user |
| 20:35.00 | Shirik | that all? |
| 20:35.51 | Fisker | oh my |
| 20:35.53 | Adys | to anyone good in js: http://dpaste.com/181513/ |
| 20:35.55 | Fisker | i just found out that i'm happy today |
| 20:35.58 | foxlit | A fragment, but should be the two you need. |
| 20:35.58 | Adys | wtf is it complaining about :( |
| 20:36.01 | Dagmar | You have to end the transaction with DROP TABLES; COMMIT; of course, but basically that's it |
| 20:36.23 | foxlit | Assuming SELECT user, page FROM user_pages works |
| 20:36.33 | foxlit | you can do SELECT user, COUNT(page) FROM user_pages GROUP BY user |
| 20:36.41 | Fisker | ;'s |
| 20:36.43 | Shirik | but we already did that with GROUP BY (user_id) right? |
| 20:36.50 | Shirik | with no parens |
| 20:36.54 | KarlKFI | Shirik: just add COUNT(r.page_id) |
| 20:36.57 | Shirik | ok |
| 20:36.59 | KarlKFI | to the select |
| 20:37.27 | zenzelezz | if you're like me, use "COUNT(column) AS somereadablename" |
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| 20:37.44 | KarlKFI | yeah that |
| 20:38.01 | KarlKFI | i think readble=COUNT(r.page_id) might work too |
| 20:38.18 | Shirik | erk |
| 20:38.23 | Shirik | slight issue |
| 20:38.34 | Shirik | your GROUP BY was eliminating duplicates |
| 20:38.40 | KarlKFI | yes. i know |
| 20:38.46 | Shirik | but when I use COUNT() it still counts the duplicates |
| 20:38.46 | KarlKFI | so the count will include them :) |
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| 20:39.05 | KarlKFI | so add r.page_id to the group by |
| 20:39.21 | foxlit | that'd make the counts 1 |
| 20:39.22 | KarlKFI | which we shoulda done int he first place |
| 20:39.52 | KarlKFI | hmm... |
| 20:39.59 | KarlKFI | ok so we need a sup grouping |
| 20:40.02 | KarlKFI | hmm |
| 20:40.14 | zenzelezz | could you do sub-selects |
| 20:40.28 | Shirik | ok so I have http://wowi.pastey.net/135095 |
| 20:40.32 | KarlKFI | actually that would work. |
| 20:40.42 | zenzelezz | select userid where "groupname" not in (select groupid from blah where userid= ...) |
| 20:40.48 | KarlKFI | wait |
| 20:42.02 | Shirik | ew |
| 20:42.07 | Shirik | EXPLAIN says " Using where; Using index; Using temporary; Using filesort" |
| 20:42.09 | Shirik | that can't be good |
| 20:43.45 | KarlKFI | kinda haxors: http://wowi.pastey.net/135096 |
| 20:44.19 | KarlKFI | can prolly do it in one query tho |
| 20:44.33 | foxlit | Makes little sense :/ |
| 20:44.37 | foxlit | Does that work, though. |
| 20:44.50 | Shirik | I'm running http://wowi.pastey.net/135097 |
| 20:45.00 | Shirik | it looks like it might take a while |
| 20:45.24 | KarlKFI | yeah, that's no good |
| 20:45.31 | KarlKFI | you'll get duplicates on yours |
| 20:45.37 | Shirik | I will? why? |
| 20:45.49 | KarlKFI | hmmm |
| 20:45.57 | KarlKFI | nm |
| 20:46.01 | KarlKFI | that should work |
| 20:46.05 | KarlKFI | _should_ |
| 20:46.12 | Shirik | also your code causes ERROR 1248 (42000): Every derived table must have its own alias |
| 20:46.20 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 20:46.38 | KarlKFI | easy to fix. but whatever. yours shoudl work |
| 20:46.54 | Shirik | ok if it should work |
| 20:46.56 | zenzelezz | noob question, do cat druids benefit from haste? |
| 20:47.04 | Shirik | the real question is how long will it take to run |
| 20:47.16 | KarlKFI | shouldn't take that long |
| 20:47.28 | KarlKFI | but i dunno how many pages, users and groups you have |
| 20:48.29 | Shirik | it's Wikipedia |
| 20:48.34 | KarlKFI | it might nto work actually. the count is prolly including groups |
| 20:48.41 | KarlKFI | -_- |
| 20:48.44 | KarlKFI | so, lots |
| 20:48.54 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/04/09/1854211/BlackBerry-Maker-To-Buy-QNX-For-RTOS-amp-Dev-Suite |
| 20:48.56 | KarlKFI | i hope soyu're doing this ona test db? |
| 20:49.42 | Shirik | 3,250,026 pages with 379,317,812 revisions over 12,083,085 users (though only 155,489 have performed an action in the last 30 days) 1,311 of which are autoreviewers |
| 20:49.55 | KarlKFI | ugh |
| 20:50.19 | Shirik | don't worry I'm not going to end up taking down WP with this query, this is a cloned database |
| 20:50.36 | KarlKFI | ok well. your request is going to be incorrect on 3rd look lol |
| 20:50.42 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:50.53 | KarlKFI | the page_id count is going to include group duplicates, which is wrong |
| 20:51.17 | KarlKFI | you do actually need a sub select |
| 20:51.20 | KarlKFI | so i'll fix mine |
| 20:51.27 | Kraps | what the hell is the point of Camouflage (level 85) |
| 20:51.42 | foxlit | Avoiding attacks, clearly |
| 20:52.13 | Kraps | ranged? |
| 20:53.03 | Shirik | I can't believe we have more administrators than autoreviewers |
| 20:53.05 | Shirik | something's wrong |
| 20:53.08 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: so how long do you think it will be until BGP updates from China are ignored by the rest of the internet? |
| 20:53.23 | KarlKFI | Shirik: http://wowi.pastey.net/135099 |
| 20:53.32 | KarlKFI | er |
| 20:53.34 | KarlKFI | forgot a period |
| 20:53.36 | Shirik | I assume |
| 20:53.36 | Shirik | yeah |
| 20:53.49 | foxlit | The query is meh |
| 20:54.00 | DWSR | Kraps: It's to give hunters more burst. |
| 20:54.03 | Shirik | and the order by should be outside the ) |
| 20:54.04 | KarlKFI | http://wowi.pastey.net/135100 |
| 20:54.14 | DWSR | Kraps: As opposed to giving them less burst, which Blizzard has actively stated they also want to do. |
| 20:54.21 | KarlKFI | >.< |
| 20:54.34 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/so_hot_the_sexiest_thing_ive_s.php |
| 20:55.57 | KarlKFI | http://wowi.pastey.net/135101 |
| 20:56.04 | KarlKFI | not sure that limit is gonna do what you want tho. |
| 20:56.09 | Shirik | I just dropped the limit anyway |
| 20:56.12 | Shirik | instead I'm writing to file |
| 20:56.14 | Dagmar | Arromaster: Considering how BGP updates are generally handled by the American companies at the peering points? Hours if not minutes. |
| 20:56.15 | foxlit | Shirik: check how many autoreviewers there are |
| 20:56.21 | Shirik | 1311 |
| 20:56.39 | foxlit | And check how many you get from the group by query |
| 20:56.43 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 20:56.49 | Shirik | I just realized a flaw in this logic |
| 20:57.09 | Shirik | sysop counts as autoreviewer, but autoreviewer won't show up in the groups |
| 20:57.17 | Dagmar | We published a few "specially tailored" updates to handle a DDoS coming at our Seoul datacenter back in 2000 |
| 20:57.25 | Dagmar | They were highly effecive in making our point. |
| 20:57.55 | Dagmar | "One of your customers is DoSing one of our customers. This is sub-optimal. Stop it." |
| 20:58.04 | Dagmar | Them: "LOL u cant handle traffic?" |
| 20:58.07 | Kraps | Additionally, hunters will now start with a race-appropriate pet at level 1 and will be able to tame a different pet at level 10. |
| 20:58.09 | Dagmar | Us: *NULL ROUTE( |
| 20:58.11 | Kraps | nice |
| 20:58.22 | DWSR | http://is.gd/bm6wA |
| 20:58.36 | Dagmar | Since they never really figured that one out, the next day we made them the most popular route in and our of Korea. |
| 20:58.41 | Dagmar | THAT made it clear. |
| 20:58.46 | Shirik | KarlKFI: http://wowi.pastey.net/135102 |
| 20:58.49 | Shirik | would that be better? |
| 20:59.12 | Shirik | I have to cut out both groups |
| 20:59.25 | KarlKFI | looks ok |
| 21:00.23 | DWSR | http://ubersoft.net/ |
| 21:00.34 | KarlKFI | i haven't worked on a db that big so i ca't really guestimate on how long ti should take. it's not really doign anythign hugely expensive |
| 21:00.51 | foxlit | That JOIN/WHERE still bugs me |
| 21:01.03 | KarlKFI | what about it? |
| 21:01.04 | foxlit | Intution tells me it should generate a bunch of rows for every group the user is in |
| 21:01.08 | foxlit | er. |
| 21:01.15 | foxlit | A bunch of rows, a row per group the user is in |
| 21:01.25 | KarlKFI | it will. and then they get grouped |
| 21:01.50 | Dagmar | By the way, the thing you never want to joke about isn't drop tables-commit, it's drop-tables-rollback. The marginally informed may actually type that in |
| 21:02.06 | foxlit | That bothers me a bit. |
| 21:02.39 | KarlKFI | foxlit: it just takes every row with the same user_id and page_id and makes it 1 group |
| 21:02.46 | KarlKFI | and returns the groups instead of the rows |
| 21:02.49 | foxlit | Yes, doing what to the other columns? |
| 21:03.02 | KarlKFI | it drops them, because they're nto int eh select |
| 21:03.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (~Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 21:03.09 | foxlit | They're in the where, though |
| 21:03.15 | KarlKFI | that's fine |
| 21:03.20 | KarlKFI | the where happens before goruping |
| 21:03.21 | foxlit | So it's interesting to see where they get cut off |
| 21:03.27 | foxlit | Then it's kind of pointless |
| 21:03.31 | KarlKFI | no |
| 21:03.49 | foxlit | It'll filter away their sysop/autoreviewer rows |
| 21:03.58 | KarlKFI | that's what he wants |
| 21:04.00 | foxlit | But keep any other group rows |
| 21:04.12 | foxlit | He wants to specifically exclude sysops/autoreviewer users |
| 21:04.17 | Shirik | oi he's right |
| 21:04.21 | KarlKFI | mmm, good point |
| 21:04.30 | KarlKFI | ok, need to make the left join a sub query |
| 21:04.45 | Shirik | and while sysops rarely have other groups, autoreviewers often do |
| 21:04.56 | KarlKFI | :( |
| 21:05.00 | KarlKFI | foxlit wins |
| 21:07.43 | Shirik | ok let's try to make this a little simpler |
| 21:07.58 | Shirik | the first job is to get a list of users that are not autoreviewers |
| 21:08.06 | Shirik | and not sysops |
| 21:08.53 | foxlit | SELECT user FROM users WHERE user NOT IN (SELECT user FROM groups WHERE group IN ("sysop", "autoreviewer")) |
| 21:09.53 | KarlKFI | heh. yay for subselects |
| 21:09.57 | KarlKFI | that looks correct tho |
| 21:10.17 | foxlit | while you're there, check that |
| 21:10.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (kalroth@d40aaef7.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 21:11.01 | foxlit | SELECT user, groups.group FROM users RIGHT OUTER JOIN groups ON (groups.user = users.user AND groups.group IN ("sysop", "autoreviewer")) WHERE groups.group IS NULL |
| 21:11.04 | foxlit | gives you the same set |
| 21:12.00 | KarlKFI | subselect might be faster |
| 21:12.04 | Shirik | seems to work correctly |
| 21:12.11 | Shirik | (the first one) |
| 21:13.35 | Fisker | lol @ xkcd |
| 21:13.39 | Fisker | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 21:14.14 | NeoTron | select u.user from users u,groups g where u.user = g.user and group not in ('sysop', 'autoreviewer') |
| 21:14.58 | Fisker | STOP SQL STATEMENTS RIGHT NOW |
| 21:15.11 | zenzelezz | DROP Fisker; |
| 21:15.26 | NeoTron | delete from wowuidev where user = 'Fisker'; |
| 21:15.27 | foxlit | NeoTron: that won't work correctly |
| 21:15.44 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/135105 |
| 21:15.46 | foxlit | As for the second one, everyone knows it's DROP FISKER; per the standard |
| 21:15.47 | Shirik | how does that look? |
| 21:16.13 | NeoTron | foxlit: why? |
| 21:16.36 | Shirik | I got an empty set running that query :( |
| 21:16.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Jamash (~chatzilla@99-92-174-69.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:16.50 | KarlKFI | http://wowi.pastey.net/135106 |
| 21:16.51 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:16.54 | Shirik | because I left the name in |
| 21:16.55 | Shirik | fail |
| 21:16.56 | foxlit | Shirik: http://wowi.pastey.net/135107-3jvo:135105-250h |
| 21:17.03 | foxlit | but that's a cosmetic thing |
| 21:17.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Gintaro (~Gintaro@cc1040670-a.gorre1.fr.home.nl) |
| 21:17.44 | KarlKFI | oh, can also avoid joining user twice.. |
| 21:17.45 | Shirik | well that was because of the user name |
| 21:17.56 | Jamash | ahhhhh, SQL, it burns us |
| 21:17.57 | KarlKFI | sec |
| 21:20.27 | KarlKFI | http://wowi.pastey.net/135108 |
| 21:20.39 | KarlKFI | and remove that silly ) |
| 21:20.49 | Shirik | oh my |
| 21:20.52 | *** join/#wowuidev robotusch (~robotusch@50A2E67F.flatrate.dk) |
| 21:21.02 | Shirik | is there a performance benefit to that or should I just keep running this query as it is now |
| 21:21.07 | KarlKFI | http://wowi.pastey.net/135109 |
| 21:21.29 | KarlKFI | what's "as it is now" |
| 21:22.02 | KarlKFI | technically it should be better to only join the user table onse |
| 21:22.03 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/135105-250h (without the name) |
| 21:22.51 | KarlKFI | my way might be faster, since it's only using the user table once |
| 21:23.32 | KarlKFI | using the sub select as a join is basically the same as makign a temp table |
| 21:23.47 | KarlKFI | it means it only has to itterate it once |
| 21:24.01 | Shirik | ok running now, and I'm going to go get something to eat |
| 21:24.10 | KarlKFI | i need food too, ya |
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| 21:30.40 | KarlKFI | heh. it's a frankenquery now |
| 21:31.24 | KarlKFI | 3 sub selects, a group by, and an anonymous join |
| 21:31.30 | KarlKFI | love it |
| 21:35.48 | Dashkal | I'm building one of my own of those right now. |
| 21:35.54 | Dashkal | Bloddy tree structured data |
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| 21:48.57 | Lunessa | Interesting read: http://www.macworld.com/article/150472/2010/04/fcc_analysis.html |
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| 21:53.55 | Shirik | KarlKFI |
| 21:53.55 | Shirik | fail |
| 21:54.24 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/135112 |
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| 21:55.20 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 21:55.46 | KarlKFI | does the sub select work by itself? |
| 21:55.57 | Shirik | which one |
| 21:55.58 | Shirik | there's two |
| 21:56.05 | KarlKFI | there's 3 technically |
| 21:56.18 | KarlKFI | try the one int he join |
| 21:56.23 | KarlKFI | does that work by itself? |
| 21:56.27 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 21:56.29 | Shirik | SELECT user_id FROM user_groups WHERE ug_group IN ("autoreviewer", "sysop") produces an error |
| 21:56.44 | Shirik | why the hell doesn't it produce an error during execution of teh whole thing |
| 21:56.50 | KarlKFI | what's the erro? |
| 21:56.57 | Shirik | unknown column :P |
| 21:57.01 | KarlKFI | gj |
| 21:57.09 | KarlKFI | fix that |
| 21:57.18 | KarlKFI | then steap up and try each sub select by itself |
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| 22:20.00 | Shirik | stilllllllllll running |
| 22:20.14 | Shirik | I think it's right this time at least |
| 22:20.16 | Shirik | it's taking forever |
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| 22:26.02 | zenzelezz | all right, why can't I mount a flying mount at Krasus' Landing? |
| 22:27.18 | Shirik | because you're supposed to land there not fly there |
| 22:28.16 | zenzelezz | my character must be bugged or something, others mount just fine o_O |
| 22:31.20 | Adys | zenzelezz: i had that at some point too |
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| 22:36.04 | Adys | "Anders Carlsson and Sam Weinig over at Apple just announced WebKit2, a rework of the WebKit engine that powers Chrome and Safari. This new version of WebKit incorporates the same style of split-process model that provides stability in Chrome, but built directly into the framework so all browsers based upon WebKit will be able to gain the same level of sandboxing and stability. AppleInsider has a writeup, and the team has provided 'high level documentatio |
| 22:36.04 | Adys | n' as well. Both Palm and the Epiphany team are going to be happy about this." |
| 22:36.20 | zenzelezz | yeah, sounds cool |
| 22:37.25 | Adys | just when you think webkit cant get any more awesome |
| 22:41.48 | foxlit | zenzelezz: it occurs periodicalyl |
| 22:42.01 | foxlit | because the client thinks its oh-so-clever and doesn't even ask the server about whether it can mount |
| 22:42.20 | zenzelezz | foxlit: ah |
| 22:42.20 | foxlit | Just get back into Dalaran and then back out to the landing |
| 22:42.28 | zenzelezz | cheers |
| 22:44.42 | mikma | http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip.aspx?id=167faee5-d08d-4498-8986-8f468ba9428e |
| 22:45.06 | foxlit | Who uses GUIDs in a URL? |
| 22:45.12 | foxlit | I mean, GUIDs. |
| 22:45.33 | Adys | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GoogleOpenSourceBlog/~3/rllIelZMq2A/interesting-times-for-video-on-web.html |
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| 22:50.02 | foxlit | wru, class previews? |
| 22:52.22 | Dagmar | foxlit: Dangerously unstable people who can't be bothered to learn to write HTML so they bought a cheap and wholly unsuitable CMS |
| 22:53.11 | Dagmar | Oh wow. That's pretty vicious of them |
| 22:53.34 | Dagmar | Google more vocally siding with OGG for HTML5 |
| 22:53.50 | Dagmar | s/OGG/Ogg Theora/; |
| 22:54.09 | industrial | mikma: :') thats actually a pretty good comic :o |
| 22:59.23 | KarlKFI | Dagmar: even after that scathing review of ogg last month? |
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| 23:00.42 | industrial | mikma: http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip.aspx?id=da230c22-4109-46cd-a3c6-56b672c31302 |
| 23:03.29 | p3lim | Anyone used :CreateTitleRegion()? |
| 23:04.24 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI: that was on the ogg container format, which i could have told you years ago was complete crap |
| 23:04.37 | foxlit | I've used <TitleRegion> |
| 23:05.58 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI: the theora video codec is actually pretty good even though its slightly outdated, its very good for on the fly encoding of live streams for example |
| 23:06.56 | KarlKFI | so why doesn't someone write a better wrapper? |
| 23:07.03 | Jamash | As I recall, TitleRegion is a pain in the ass |
| 23:07.22 | Jamash | it creates a region, not a frame, so there's all kinds of stuff you can't do with it |
| 23:07.39 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI: they have, its called Matroska |
| 23:07.54 | KarlKFI | so why is google backing ogg? |
| 23:07.56 | Jamash | I ended up just creating a frame and using that as a title frame |
| 23:08.17 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI: because Ogg is more than just the container |
| 23:08.31 | foxlit | because apple is serving ads to iphones</conspiracy> |
| 23:09.06 | Jamash | you can put ogg streams in mkv containers though, it's confusing |
| 23:09.30 | Arrowmaster | yes it is |
| 23:13.08 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9hwwmMX_FE |
| 23:13.09 | Adys | neat |
| 23:13.14 | Adys | anyone getting it? |
| 23:13.49 | foxlit | I recall seeing that. |
| 23:13.49 | foxlit | But it's not the player used on that page, it seems. |
| 23:13.49 | olafski | yer I have that on the video you just posted |
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| 23:14.13 | Thunder_Child | rages |
| 23:14.26 | Adys | throws a machine on Thunder_Child |
| 23:14.47 | Thunder_Child | rages at the machine and at Adys |
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| 23:19.02 | cog|work | just asked for a raise |
| 23:19.04 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child raged too hard |
| 23:19.08 | KarlKFI | Shirik: did it work? |
| 23:19.10 | cog|work | is going to be biting his nails for the next week |
| 23:19.46 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz: indeed |
| 23:19.51 | Arrowmaster | olafski: browser? |
| 23:19.53 | Thunder_Child | cog|work: and extra bottle a week? |
| 23:19.57 | Thunder_Child | an* |
| 23:21.39 | p3lim | Is it possible to make a frame placement saved by WoW? |
| 23:21.46 | p3lim | I'm using :SetUserPlaced() etc |
| 23:22.30 | Jamash | yes but it doesn't work very well |
| 23:23.11 | olafski | arrowmaster: ff |
| 23:23.53 | p3lim | TomTom seems to get it right atleast |
| 23:24.31 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: lulz. I get the privilege of paying $30-60/bottle after the employee discount... |
| 23:24.37 | KarlKFI | :SetUserPlaced(true) maybe |
| 23:24.46 | KarlKFI | or 1 |
| 23:25.00 | foxlit | p3lim: why do you need a frame placement saved? |
| 23:25.04 | foxlit | i.e. who moved the frame? |
| 23:25.06 | Thunder_Child | cog|work: do you get to pass that along from time to time? |
| 23:25.16 | cog|work | p3lim: make sure you're calling SetUserPlaced before VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 23:25.39 | p3lim | cog|work: im calling it directly, its not waiting for any events |
| 23:25.41 | cog|work | and that the frame is created with a global name |
| 23:25.53 | cog|work | p3lim: but *when* are you calling it? |
| 23:26.16 | p3lim | when the frame is created |
| 23:26.19 | cog|work | (also, do pass in true) |
| 23:26.25 | foxlit | For what its worth, I've never bothered with that flag, yet the frame positions are restored. |
| 23:26.26 | cog|work | >< |
| 23:26.30 | cog|work | when is the frame being created? |
| 23:26.31 | p3lim | I don't have a global name, ill try that |
| 23:26.50 | cog|work | the frame has to exist with a global name and SetUserPlaced must be called on it before the VARIABLES_LOADED event fires |
| 23:26.58 | p3lim | Its set before |
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| 23:27.12 | cog|work | (also it's not enough just to assign it to a global, you have to put the name into the CreateFrame call) |
| 23:27.21 | p3lim | Works now |
| 23:27.25 | cog|work | kewl :) |
| 23:27.27 | Jamash | yay! |
| 23:27.27 | cog|work | ttfn |
| 23:27.28 | p3lim | Yeah 2nd arg, I know that |
| 23:27.45 | p3lim | How do one reset the position though? |
| 23:28.00 | p3lim | Just :SetPoint() ? |
| 23:28.30 | Jamash | reset how? |
| 23:29.29 | p3lim | Say I have a position saved, and I'd like to have an option to reset the position to where it was originally |
| 23:29.36 | p3lim | I'll try something, sec |
| 23:29.51 | Jamash | yeah, SetPoint should work |
| 23:31.29 | p3lim | Yep, seems if its set after VARIABLES_LOADED it will save it to that position |
| 23:31.30 | p3lim | Neat :) |
| 23:32.00 | p3lim | Trying out :CreateTitleFrame(), works well |
| 23:33.26 | Jamash | until you want to set a right-click handler on it, yeah |
| 23:42.38 | Fisker | hey cog|away |
| 23:42.40 | Fisker | my mage is level 23 |
| 23:46.24 | Fisker | <This message requires a Fisker PLATINUM subscription to view> |
| 23:48.13 | Fisker | noone interested in a platinum subscription? :( |
| 23:48.40 | Jamash | what are the privileges of membership? |
| 23:49.18 | industrial | mikma: http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip.aspx?id=dc25fefe-dabb-436a-b133-d1c55936e83f |
| 23:49.23 | industrial | where does this guy get the ideas? |
| 23:49.25 | industrial | Fisker: ^ |
| 23:49.35 | Fisker | industrial |
| 23:50.01 | Fisker | Jamash you get to see the message |
| 23:51.10 | Jamash | hmmm |
| 23:51.35 | p3lim | Jamash: Why would a right-click handler mess it up? |
| 23:52.12 | Jamash | 'cause it creates a region, not a frame, and regions don't have click-handlers |
| 23:55.14 | industrial | http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip.aspx?id=86e09de2-1667-4cff-9e3f-a89b2eebc8e2 |
| 23:55.18 | industrial | hahaha this stuff is great :') |
| 23:55.55 | Dagmar | nsfw tho |
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| 23:57.25 | Jamash | íì¬ ìµëí 주문, ë¥ë ¥, ì 문기ì , íê² í¹ì ì ìë물ì ë°ë¥¼ íìí©ëë¤. ë§ë ì´ |
| 23:59.18 | industrial | can has engrish? |
| 23:59.33 | Jamash | someone's been translating Learning Aid into korean |
| 23:59.51 | Jamash | that's my addon screen tooltip blurb |
