| 00:00.16 | Dagmar | I've noted that ther'es a big gap between what people consider to be "okay" and what people's relatives like everyone to think THEY think is okay |
| 00:00.57 | Dagmar | A cousin of mine got popped for possession of the evil weed, marijuana in Texas some years back when I was in high school |
| 00:01.35 | Dagmar | All of my relatives were publicly quite dismayed and upset that he'd have anyhting to do with it, while in secret, several of them smoked pot |
| 00:01.51 | WobWork | well, he's technically my father's godson's brother in law |
| 00:02.07 | kd3 | tries to draw the family tree |
| 00:02.17 | Dagmar | I caught a wee bit of heck because my take on it was that I didn't give a damn about him smoking weed. What he really got busted for was being incredibly stupid |
| 00:02.40 | WobWork | kd3: you're telling me =\ When he described the original relationship, I was going "Am I even... do I -know- you?!?" |
| 00:02.57 | Dagmar | They got busted driving in a BRIGHT RED corvette, with a "trunk full of weed" (there are SUVs with bigger glove boxes) doing about 108 |
| 00:03.07 | Torhal | Haha |
| 00:03.11 | kd3 | dagmar; that dumbass |
| 00:03.11 | Dagmar | ...through Texas, with a bong in the seat between himself and the driver |
| 00:03.16 | Dagmar | kd3: Yeah |
| 00:03.18 | WobWork | since he put it as "my wife's brother is the godson of that bloke" |
| 00:03.25 | Jerub | WobWork: i'm insane. :( it's like the yogg fight |
| 00:03.50 | WobWork | Jerub: You're insane my child, qvite insane |
| 00:04.08 | Jerub | WobWork: you should've helped me with my nightmares more |
| 00:04.12 | WobWork | He's my age though |
| 00:04.18 | WobWork | Jerub: you didn't ask! |
| 00:04.18 | Dagmar | Yeah do they'd driven all the way to mexico to buy dope from some stranger down there and bring it back here |
| 00:04.24 | WobWork | PS, drink more hot wine |
| 00:04.25 | Dagmar | s/do/so/; |
| 00:04.41 | Dagmar | HUGE gap between what the relatives in question really think, and what they want everyone else to think they think |
| 00:04.44 | WobWork | with wine and church, I'm keeping my nightmares to a nice level |
| 00:05.09 | Dagmar | WobWork: Dunno man. The girls at the Royal Bethlehem are pretty friendly |
| 00:05.20 | WobWork | and his nick on irc references both felines and 'lolz' |
| 00:05.38 | WobWork | so I figure he's pretty alright with the internet =P |
| 00:06.11 | Dagmar | Yeah so clearly my Mom doesn't listen to my advice on the internet as much as I thought |
| 00:06.23 | Dagmar | Found out last night she went to ChatRoulette *anyway* |
| 00:06.35 | WobWork | but in situations where I can suggest a complete stranger get their chest signed by another complete stranger, I feel a bit squeamish saying it to a relation =P |
| 00:06.46 | WobWork | Dagmar: well... she learned, I'm sure |
| 00:07.09 | Dagmar | WobWork: That right there is unhealthy. You should really be honest with your relatives. It's not like you can trade 'em in for new ones |
| 00:07.51 | WobWork | I've only actually met him only once or twice |
| 00:07.57 | WobWork | in a family setting |
| 00:08.37 | Dagmar | I figure once everyone's an adult, it's time to behave like adults |
| 00:09.32 | Dagmar | ...except when it comes to single aunts. |
| 00:09.42 | Dagmar | Just avoid those if there's been any liquor about |
| 00:10.06 | Dagmar | 'spesh if your family's from the south |
| 00:11.03 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Your mom was on ChatteRoulette last night? |
| 00:11.16 | Dagmar | No, it was a few days ago apparnetl |
| 00:11.28 | Dagmar | She wasn't about to tell me but I got the scoop from my dad |
| 00:11.49 | Lunessa | I think her horizons were widened then. Since most of what happens on there are young men manipulating their personal equipmnet. |
| 00:11.58 | Jerub | Dagmar: but there are no women on chat roulette. |
| 00:12.00 | Dagmar | I *warned* her of that and worse |
| 00:12.08 | Dagmar | She didn't believe it could be that bad. |
| 00:13.03 | Dagmar | It's amusing how old people stay somewhat "new" to the internet |
| 00:13.27 | WobWork | it's such a fresh perspective =) |
| 00:13.38 | WobWork | I -actually- managed to teach my mother about Snopes.com |
| 00:13.39 | Jerub | mmmmmeatspin |
| 00:13.51 | WobWork | it revolutionised how much forwarded mail I get from her now |
| 00:13.56 | Dagmar | I suspect if she'd ever seen the original goatse or two hems one hemhem she'd have been more inclined to believe in the depths or depravity other humans get up to on the web |
| 00:14.12 | WobWork | (not that she checks snopes, just that she pretty much ignores any chain mail =P) |
| 00:14.33 | WobWork | which is much more healthy |
| 00:15.56 | Lunessa | WobWork: Had the same experience with my mom. |
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| 00:16.23 | Fisker | raaaaaaaaaaaargh |
| 00:16.27 | Fisker | it's 2am :( |
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| 00:16.50 | Fisker | someone was wrong. |
| 00:16.52 | Fisker | on the internet |
| 00:17.18 | Dagmar | Thanks, Captain Obvious. |
| 00:21.21 | Fisker | i wish |
| 00:32.12 | Arathros | are there a armor penetration on spells type? |
| 00:32.26 | Dagmar | do you mean 'spell penetration'? |
| 00:32.55 | Arathros | spell penetration os only for against resistances |
| 00:33.19 | Arathros | tired of resilience reducing spell dmg and nothing i can do about it |
| 00:34.23 | Dagmar | \That's somewhat the points of it |
| 00:34.27 | Dagmar | s/points/point/; |
| 00:35.09 | ZorbaTHut | yeah that's pretty much what it's meant to do. resilience reduces physical damage in the exact same way |
| 00:35.38 | Adys | resilience is stupid =/ |
| 00:35.57 | Adys | hope cataclysm yanks it but probably wont happen |
| 00:36.04 | Adys | with casters getting more stamina |
| 00:38.53 | Dagmar | They won't take it out |
| 00:39.05 | Dagmar | The people "winning" at PvP would throw a fit |
| 00:39.25 | Dagmar | Without resilience, they'd get their asses handed to them |
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| 00:39.40 | Dagmar | Guys doing 25 mans would tear through them like crepe |
| 00:40.08 | Arathros | w |
| 00:40.19 | Arathros | but armor pene can boost dmg alot again |
| 00:41.19 | WobWork | they should revamp everything so that pvp interactions behave differently from pve |
| 00:41.35 | WobWork | airily tosses out impossiblities |
| 00:41.37 | Lunessa | I'm planing to buy a lot of +resil gear because I need to get a crapton of honor points and PvP achievements, and my current life expectancy in battlegrounds is about 3 seconds. |
| 00:42.01 | Jerub | Lunessa: what class/spec? |
| 00:42.15 | Lunessa | Enhancement Shaman |
| 00:44.26 | WobWork | Lunessa: run with a resto =) |
| 00:45.45 | ZorbaTHut | resilience is a necessary part of balancing pvp, otherwise damage just scales up way too fast, way too spikily, and in different ways for different classes |
| 00:46.12 | WobWork | yeah, which is why I suggest that pvp interactions be dealt with on a completely different engine than pve |
| 00:46.35 | WobWork | that way you don't have to put in limiting factors to balance one, and not imbalance the other |
| 00:46.36 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think it should be *completely different*, but I agree that some things need to change. |
| 00:47.00 | WobWork | if they could tune pvp combat without in any way affecting pve, it'd make their life a whole lot easier |
| 00:47.04 | ZorbaTHut | oh man I just had a sweet idea. you know how in Cataclysm, "rating" will have less effect as you move up the raiding tiers? |
| 00:47.14 | WobWork | rating? |
| 00:47.18 | ZorbaTHut | they could do the opposite of that in pvp, so that you actually hit people harder if they're wearing better gear :D |
| 00:47.22 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, like crit rating |
| 00:47.48 | ZorbaTHut | they're balancing it so that (numbers pulled out of ass) someone in t11 will have 20% crit against t11 monsters, someone in t12 will have 20% crit against t12 monsters, etc |
| 00:48.15 | ZorbaTHut | not yet clear how the UI for this will work, but that's apparently the goal |
| 00:50.24 | Arathros | yay the 19th bg is the charm |
| 00:50.32 | Arathros | and 10 mins before reset daily HC done ;P |
| 00:50.45 | Arathros | have 5 other chars who didnt get the job done cause of loosing horde |
| 00:51.20 | Arathros | ZorbaTHut explain WG tenacity |
| 00:51.28 | Arathros | thats not balanced in ANY WAY |
| 00:51.49 | ZorbaTHut | arathros, it's more balanced than not having it |
| 00:51.49 | Arathros | an ally with 12 tenacity and 1300 resi is unkilleable |
| 00:52.01 | ZorbaTHut | that's not even close to true, I've been that guy :P |
| 00:52.07 | Arathros | so if im in wg and run into a 12 tenacity alone guy.. i get 1 shotted |
| 00:52.15 | ZorbaTHut | he's still stunnable, you just CC his face off and crowd him down |
| 00:52.32 | ZorbaTHut | yeah he'll obliterate you one-on-one, so *don't fight him one-on-one*, consider him a small army that happens to be occupying a single model |
| 00:52.39 | Arathros | i cant do 240k dmg to an ally before hes immune to my entangled and cyclone mate |
| 00:53.02 | ZorbaTHut | and you're not meant to either. if he's got 12 tenacity you outnumber him, like, four to one |
| 00:53.04 | Arathros | thats why it isnt fair.. tenacity should be more like proximity. than a zone buff |
| 00:53.07 | ZorbaTHut | if not more |
| 00:53.14 | ZorbaTHut | try fighting him four to one like you should be |
| 00:53.44 | Arathros | lol we need about 5 healers and rest dps in a 12 man group to take him down else he just one shots us all |
| 00:53.53 | Arathros | concecrate = 11k pr tick |
| 00:54.03 | Arathros | all lock dots 19k ish |
| 00:54.11 | Arathros | moonfire is evul... 40k when it crits |
| 00:54.14 | ZorbaTHut | then don't stand in his consecrate. dispel his dots. treat it like a boss fight 'cause that's what it is |
| 00:54.18 | Arathros | rend about 15k |
| 00:54.24 | Corrodias | then get your own 12 tenacity |
| 00:54.32 | Arathros | well a boss fight means that you know the people around you lol |
| 00:54.38 | Jerub | Arathros: i'm interested. who wins WG when they have tenacity of 12? |
| 00:54.40 | Corrodias | is that a hard thing to do? i don't know what tenacity is. |
| 00:54.40 | Jerub | you or them? |
| 00:54.42 | ZorbaTHut | seriously, as I said, you can easily overwhelm him, and if he has 12 tenacity then it means you *do* overwhelm him |
| 00:54.51 | Arathros | they had their first win in 3 weeks today actually |
| 00:55.00 | ZorbaTHut | corrodias, it's a balancing effect in Wintergrasp |
| 00:55.04 | Arathros | but thats because they scatter easy |
| 00:55.09 | ZorbaTHut | whichever side has fewer players gets Tenacity to make up for it |
| 00:55.13 | Jerub | okay, so you're complaining that it's unbalanced and you win all the time anyway? gg |
| 00:55.27 | ZorbaTHut | it's not strong enough to completely make up for it, but it certainly doesn't hurt. keeps things more balanced. |
| 00:55.35 | ZorbaTHut | and yeah arathros stop whining that you're not winning easily enough. seriously, dude. |
| 00:55.38 | Corrodias | cool. sounds like Arathros needs to l2p. |
| 00:55.46 | Arathros | all i can do is stand in the keep. cuase 900dmg wrath or 1100 dmg starfires. arent doing much against 140k hp players |
| 00:55.59 | ZorbaTHut | well apparently standing in the keep is good enough to win |
| 00:56.20 | Dagmar | Yet if you don't have any CCs or only have one CC, they'll generally eat your face at 12 stacks or higher |
| 00:56.28 | Arathros | 1on1 i pwn most with my 500resi cause i out tac them lol |
| 00:56.34 | Dagmar | Seed of Corruption in particular goes completely off the charts with Tenacity |
| 00:56.37 | Arathros | mages and rogues are a prob but else.. not really |
| 00:56.46 | Arathros | seed of corr. is 40 man instant kill |
| 00:56.49 | Corrodias | Arathros: so you're saying you can't take them down? sounds like it's working as intended. |
| 00:57.16 | Corrodias | you should try ragequitting |
| 00:57.18 | Arathros | what is working |
| 00:57.23 | ZorbaTHut | tenacity is working |
| 00:57.31 | ZorbaTHut | and I agree, it sounds like it's working fine, though could perhaps use a bit of a buff |
| 00:57.32 | Dagmar | Scurrilous lies |
| 00:58.03 | Arathros | with half the tenacity they can take it over is the assemble.. cant hep it in wg they are always running around solo |
| 00:58.12 | Dagmar | Unless the point of Tenacity is to make the side with more people say "Screw this, that one 'lock can kill us all without breaking step" and leave the zone, Tenacity is a farce |
| 00:58.27 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, the purpose of wintergrasp is to win wintergrasp |
| 00:58.31 | ZorbaTHut | not to win duels |
| 00:58.53 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Good luck doing that when the 'lock can seed your siege engine and kill it, and then kill you. |
| 00:58.59 | ZorbaTHut | if you still win 95% of the time when the opponents have 12 stacks, then tenacity isn't powerful enough. the theoretical ideal would be to preserve a 50% win rate no matter what the player counts are |
| 00:59.05 | Jerub | being on a horde side that loses WG most of the time, i like tenacity in that it gives our weak side a buff. |
| 00:59.07 | Dagmar | There is no defense or "strategy" when someone can one-shot your entire group. |
| 00:59.29 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, oh bullshit :P here's the strategy: don't run your entire group into a guy who can kill you all |
| 00:59.30 | Jerub | Dagmar: sure there is. you take out all the towers while he's 1 shotting the wrong people. |
| 00:59.31 | Arathros | ZorbaTHut its still op. they just never focusses they are like killing rhinos.. 1 at the time |
| 00:59.38 | Dagmar | It tweaks the abilities of different classes differently, so *no* there is no "if you lose blah blah blah" to it |
| 00:59.51 | ZorbaTHut | split your tanks into five groups, hit the fort in five different places |
| 00:59.55 | Dagmar | TThere are the classes it turns into wandering raid bosses, and then the classes that maybe it actually works for, maybe it doesn't |
| 00:59.58 | ZorbaTHut | you'll have 16 tanks so that's 3 tanks per group |
| 01:00.10 | ZorbaTHut | 3 tanks can break down a wall *long* before he can make his way from one end of the fort to another. |
| 01:00.27 | Arathros | but the only problem with tanking. they arent tauntable |
| 01:00.35 | ZorbaTHut | once you're in the keep, you keep enough people on foot to keep him occupied while you barrage the door from range with catapults or siege turrets |
| 01:00.36 | Jerub | Arathros: he's talking about sieges. |
| 01:00.39 | ZorbaTHut | break down the door and it's basically game over. |
| 01:00.41 | Jerub | do you even know how to fight in WG? |
| 01:01.09 | Arathros | i was responding to Dagmar |
| 01:01.32 | Dagmar | Must have been a non-sequitir then |
| 01:01.48 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, yeah, it isn't balanced between classes unfortunately. |
| 01:01.55 | ZorbaTHut | tenacity does have some major issues. |
| 01:02.05 | kd3 | lmao; someone's telling the "The Giving Tree" story in /2 and people are playing along |
| 01:02.08 | Dagmar | They should just cap it different per class or something |
| 01:02.19 | Dagmar | Beyond ten stacks it becomes more luck and class makeup than skill |
| 01:02.40 | Arathros | kd3 lucky ;P |
| 01:03.01 | ZorbaTHut | or provide a different buff per class |
| 01:03.21 | Arathros | hmm |
| 01:03.28 | ZorbaTHut | give non-healers a constant HoT, increase the AoE effects of non-AoE classes |
| 01:03.32 | Arathros | doesnt it reset daily at 3? |
| 01:04.04 | ZorbaTHut | maybe boost HP more for clothies and other flimsy classes |
| 01:04.37 | Dagmar | I'd rather see the sp boosting dampened down |
| 01:04.42 | Arathros | i can agree to the hp boost. but not the equal dmg boost. i want to be a part of that group as a lock or something then.. dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot 12 kills |
| 01:04.51 | Arathros | sp boosting? |
| 01:04.51 | Dagmar | Warlocks in particular have a tendency to wind up on the high side of 50k health |
| 01:05.06 | ZorbaTHut | it doesn't boost SP, it's just damage, hp, healing |
| 01:05.08 | Dagmar | It's the being able to one-shot entire groups that breaks things |
| 01:06.22 | Dagmar | I wasn't joking about the killing of the big siege engine *and* it's occupants with one dose of seed |
| 01:08.44 | Antiarc | hey Fisker |
| 01:08.49 | Antiarc | I found something you might be interested in |
| 01:08.49 | Antiarc | http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4281230.pdf |
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| 01:58.44 | WobWork | woo |
| 01:58.45 | WobWork | http://www.dccomics.com/vertigo/graphic_novels/?gn=1606 |
| 01:58.53 | WobWork | first issue downloadable |
| 02:37.40 | DWSR | Hrm. |
| 02:37.43 | DWSR | My world server just died. |
| 02:37.55 | DWSR | inb4 puns, fuck you |
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| 02:46.34 | Shirik | hahahahaha |
| 02:46.38 | Shirik | longest error message ever |
| 02:46.57 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/134769 |
| 02:48.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I've seen longer |
| 02:48.25 | DWSR | That's what she said. |
| 02:48.39 | Shirik | well us godly programmers rarely get errors, so a long one like this is literally once in a lifetime |
| 02:48.59 | DWSR | Or every 15 minutes in Shirik's case. |
| 02:49.59 | Shirik | negative |
| 02:50.04 | Shirik | I mean |
| 02:50.08 | Shirik | I get like one compiler error a year |
| 02:50.14 | Shirik | the fact that this was so long is amazing |
| 02:51.09 | Lunessa | wheee.... one of the oracle servers is refusing to talk to the world, and the DBAs are at a loss to figure out why. |
| 02:51.18 | Shirik | I am an oracle |
| 02:51.28 | Shirik | but I like to talk |
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| 02:51.40 | Lunessa | And even better, only one person on the DBA team answers their pages. |
| 02:51.49 | DWSR | Lunessa: wiki? |
| 02:52.09 | Lunessa | DWSR: No - work. |
| 02:53.28 | Dagmar | Shirik: That's definitely confirmed by the police blotters |
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| 02:53.51 | Shirik | blotters? |
| 02:54.31 | Dagmar | Yes. The slang for police reports |
| 02:54.37 | Shirik | waves at Iriel |
| 02:54.44 | Shirik | why would you call it a blotter? |
| 02:54.49 | Iriel | waves |
| 02:54.51 | Dagmar | Seems like not a week goes by where I'm not reading about someone's Oracle striking up a conversation with a handsome stranger from Romania |
| 02:55.34 | cogwheel | oscillates |
| 02:55.34 | Iriel | Shirik: 'Police Blotter' is appropriate lingo |
| 02:56.45 | Dagmar | http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=blotter&searchmode=none |
| 03:01.09 | Lunessa | Shirik: Because the reports were written on a pad on the desk, and the excess ink "blotted" up with a device called a "blotter" |
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| 03:14.01 | Dagmar | OMG a story forum |
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| 03:14.16 | Dagmar | I wonder how long until the first deletion of some slash fiction |
| 03:16.01 | WobWork | Dagmar: on wowforums? |
| 03:16.29 | WobWork | There totally needs to be some thrall/varian grudge slash =P |
| 03:16.29 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 03:16.30 | purl | ~pong |
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| 03:22.51 | Dagmar | WobWork: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=26354482&sid=1 |
| 03:23.08 | Dagmar | You know, as much as I wanna look through there, my internet sense is telling me it would be a really bad idea. |
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| 03:25.00 | Dagmar | Oh wait... |
| 03:25.23 | Dagmar | begins composing a long post explaining why participles are OP and adverbs need a more defined class role. |
| 03:25.58 | kdtresh | i don't think participles are comparable to adverbs |
| 03:26.57 | kdtresh | but i guess they can be OP anyway |
| 03:27.04 | Dagmar | Well, that at least eliminates the 1:1 balance problem |
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| 03:34.51 | DWSR | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24038826734&sid=1 <-- Please. |
| 03:38.25 | Dagmar | THat thread is just begging to be trolled |
| 03:42.19 | DWSR | http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7328/bleachers.gif <-- Patch 3.2 |
| 03:42.24 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah, but the OP is still right |
| 03:44.58 | Dagmar | They're playing a medieval fantasy setting game and upset because of stereotypes. |
| 03:45.24 | DWSR | Queen Elizabeth |
| 03:45.29 | DWSR | Joan D'Arc? |
| 03:45.35 | Dagmar | This is a bit like going to Mexico and complaining that the banditos shot at you |
| 03:45.49 | DWSR | Crying "i'm proud of my king" because the leader of your faction decided for once in his life to treat another species with respect? Thats being stupid. <-- Also, YES PLZ. |
| 03:46.05 | Dagmar | DWSR: Queen Elizabeth was *born* into it, and I'll remind you about moblesse oblige |
| 03:46.27 | Dagmar | As to Joan d'Arc, we know what she did but very little was written about how she did it that wasn't romanticized |
| 03:46.32 | DWSR | Dagmar: Some are born great, some receive greatness, some have greatness thrust upon them (and some get it as a graduation present). |
| 03:46.43 | DWSR | Dagmar: Jaina's fucking pitiful as a leader. |
| 03:46.52 | DWSR | As somone points out in that thread, she had a SPINE in WC3. |
| 03:47.01 | DWSR | Now she just mopes. Endlessly. |
| 03:48.20 | DWSR | You don't stay a leader if you're weak. She is. She either a) should regrow that backbone she had in WC3 or b) not be a leader of the Alliance anymore. |
| 03:48.23 | DWSR | Sorry. |
| 03:48.25 | WobWork | hehe moblesse =) |
| 03:48.31 | Dagmar | Who's she leading again |
| 03:48.45 | DWSR | Supposedly the humans. |
| 03:48.45 | Dagmar | I didn't notice her at the front of anything |
| 03:49.04 | DWSR | Because Varian's claim to the Throne is all contested and stuff. |
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| 03:50.27 | DWSR | Also, she's definitely leading something because she walks around with Varian. |
| 03:50.30 | Dagmar | Well, maybe she could kick Varian's ass and make us all happy |
| 03:50.41 | DWSR | I certainly wouldn't be against it. |
| 03:50.54 | DWSR | Except they'd have to retcon the shit out of ICC. |
| 03:51.12 | Dagmar | Why |
| 03:51.28 | DWSR | You play Horde, I assume? |
| 03:51.34 | Dagmar | No, I play Alliance. |
| 03:51.40 | DWSR | Right after the Saurfang fight |
| 03:51.43 | Dagmar | No one in Naxx was reconned |
| 03:51.44 | DWSR | Also, H HoR |
| 03:52.00 | Dagmar | Half those bosses are working night jobs over in DK phase land |
| 03:52.16 | DWSR | Yeah, but Naxx wasn't supposed to really have a story other than the super lameass "Oh yeah, Naxx moved." |
| 03:53.11 | DWSR | ICC is supposed to be "WE BE KILLING THE LICH KING" |
| 03:53.17 | DWSR | There's supposed to be...a *story* |
| 03:54.06 | Dagmar | Uh huh. |
| 03:54.22 | Dagmar | Let's see you implement an instance where you beat the last boss and he sits down and tells you a story. |
| 03:57.59 | Dagmar | Speaking of "storylines", I think it's time they made Final Fantasy *final* |
| 03:58.06 | DWSR | amen. |
| 03:58.10 | Dagmar | XIII is just so much bullshit |
| 03:58.37 | Dagmar | I'm over halfway through it and I'm STILL just plodding through various types of urban wasteland canyons kicking the crap out of things |
| 03:59.17 | Dagmar | There has been exactly zero gratuitous lifting of Other People's Supplies, no Beating Up Kids For Their Cards, no Gambling of Any Sort... Nothing. |
| 03:59.50 | Shirik | haha |
| 03:59.54 | Shirik | awesome documentation: "If block is true, signals emitted by this object are blocked (i.e., emitted signals disappear into hyperspace). If block is false, no such blocking will occur." |
| 03:59.59 | Shirik | disappear into hyperspace = win |
| 04:00.24 | Dagmar | if I were that chump with the trenchcoat, by now I'd have said to hell with saving Cocoon... I'd be looking to obliterate all Sanctum members just for repeatedly pissing me off |
| 04:00.44 | Dagmar | Shirik: LHC work? |
| 04:00.57 | Shirik | no, lol |
| 04:01.01 | Shirik | Qt framework |
| 04:01.12 | Shirik | Qt uses "signals and slots" to communicate events |
| 04:01.15 | Dagmar | Oh. Then that's probably more accurate than you realize |
| 04:01.18 | Shirik | that's the documentation for a function blockSignals() |
| 04:05.09 | Dashkal | S&S rules. One of these days I'm going to write just the s&s mechanism for another language. |
| 04:05.41 | Dashkal | I got started once for Java, until I realized it was utter overkill for what I was doing. |
| 04:10.22 | Shirik | I love Qt |
| 04:11.16 | Dashkal | I'm fond of QT, but I remember absolutely hating it's MVC framework. I've yet to discover one I like. |
| 04:11.43 | WobWork | Cairenn|afk: http://www.break.com/index/bear-cub-scared-by-lion.html |
| 04:11.51 | Shadowed | shh you'll awaken her |
| 04:12.05 | Shirik | I agree with that, but I really don't like MVC in general |
| 04:12.13 | Shirik | it's a good idea in general, but really just that |
| 04:12.18 | Shirik | s/general/theory/ |
| 04:12.28 | Dashkal | Exactly. |
| 04:12.48 | Dagmar | Well, it *is* Qt |
| 04:12.55 | Dashkal | I tend to end up with domaing objects -> model -> ui component |
| 04:12.58 | Dashkal | domain* |
| 04:13.44 | tem | test? |
| 04:13.56 | Dagmar | ...es. |
| 04:13.57 | Shirik | Adys |
| 04:13.57 | Dashkal | tem: test failed. Please reboot and try again. |
| 04:14.01 | tem | oh cool |
| 04:14.06 | tem | it was just starcraft crashing |
| 04:14.10 | Shirik | are you aware of the awesomeness of this app? |
| 04:14.21 | Adys | Shirik: because its in qt? |
| 04:14.37 | Shirik | well that helps |
| 04:14.37 | Shirik | but it is still plain awesome |
| 04:14.47 | Adys | if you say so |
| 04:15.28 | Shirik | the app monitors changes on WP so they can be reviewed for vandalism, but has a bot cloud working to help it sort the edits for review, to make the most likely suspects first, and it's doing an amazing job |
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| 04:30.14 | DWSR | Shirik: WordPress? |
| 04:30.21 | Shirik | wikipedia |
| 04:30.47 | DWSR | WhatPulse? |
| 04:36.32 | Shirik | it's sick |
| 04:36.35 | Shirik | sickkkkkkkkkk |
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| 04:44.24 | OhGrimes | Guys I am trying to make a very simple mod which is basically a shared-soundboard. |
| 04:44.34 | OhGrimes | I click a button, it plays a sound for me and for someone in my party. |
| 04:45.32 | OhGrimes | How do I get it so that someone else with the mod would receive the information that I've pressed the button |
| 04:45.48 | DWSR | addon channel |
| 04:46.27 | OhGrimes | This isn't the right channel? |
| 04:46.48 | DWSR | No, an Addon communication channel. |
| 04:47.00 | OhGrimes | Oh. Hah. Got you. |
| 04:47.02 | DWSR | (this is the right channel. I'm talking about an in game channel). |
| 04:47.10 | OhGrimes | I thought so. |
| 04:47.13 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendAddonMessage |
| 04:47.19 | OhGrimes | Thanks! |
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| 04:54.05 | OhGrimes | I guess now all I have to do is find the function which deals with taking that information |
| 04:55.53 | Dagmar | ...or, you could just read that page. |
| 04:56.10 | OhGrimes | Oh. |
| 04:56.14 | OhGrimes | It's automatically invoked? |
| 04:56.25 | Dagmar | *eyeroll* |
| 04:56.36 | OhGrimes | I haven't coded in a long time and I used C++ :-/ |
| 05:05.43 | tem | well I just lost about a million times in a row |
| 05:05.57 | tem | I couldn't win until it matched me against someone in copper league |
| 05:06.12 | tem | it needs to move me out of plat soon. |
| 05:06.38 | tem | because I am not good enough for plat |
| 05:25.29 | Esamynn | mutters about the stupid LOD Addons checkbox being reset all the time |
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| 05:37.05 | DWSR | sues IShirik for copyright infringment. |
| 05:37.16 | IShirik | :( |
| 05:37.35 | IShirik | Microsoft was using this naming convention long before the ipod came around |
| 05:38.47 | DWSR | So how does that stop it from being copyright infringment. |
| 05:38.55 | DWSR | I didn't specify who I was representing. |
| 05:39.13 | DWSR | anyway, nn |
| 05:40.09 | Esamynn | ~fishslap DWSR |
| 05:40.10 | purl | ACTION slaps DWSR up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 05:52.29 | IShirik | ~thwack Esamynn |
| 05:52.30 | purl | ACTION hits Esamynn on the ear with a iMac |
| 05:57.39 | krka | epic http://tjuvtittat.se/gatukonst/this-is-a-sign-uh-you-cant-touch/ |
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| 06:05.54 | OhGrimes | Damn. Still can't get my simple shared soundboard mod to work |
| 06:10.00 | Dagmar | Add moer verbosity |
| 06:10.07 | Dagmar | s/more/moar/; |
| 06:12.35 | Esamynn | IShirik: and what did I do to deserve that, pray tell? |
| 06:12.48 | IShirik | I'm sure there must be something in the past year or so |
| 06:12.57 | Esamynn | ~lart IShirik |
| 06:12.57 | purl | drops a baby grand on IShirik |
| 06:22.29 | Adys | http://www.effectgames.com/effect/games/crystalgalaxy/ |
| 06:22.31 | Adys | 328 sec |
| 06:22.38 | Adys | beat it Shadowed |
| 06:22.47 | Adys | IShirik: and you too |
| 06:22.52 | Shadowed | I'd rather work on pruning a few ten million records from this DB |
| 06:23.06 | Adys | which db |
| 06:23.06 | WobWork | that's not as much fun =( |
| 06:23.08 | Adys | stop eating prunes |
| 06:23.24 | Shadowed | just EA |
| 06:25.15 | OhGrimes | Ugh I cannot figure out how to properly use CHAT_MSG_ADDON. |
| 06:26.10 | Iriel | Is your problem sending or receiving? |
| 06:26.50 | OhGrimes | Honestly? Hard to tell 100%, but I'd assume receiving. Maybe I should just do a code-dump and paste the link. |
| 06:27.04 | Shadowed | Pastey would help :p |
| 06:27.38 | Iriel | AN /eventtrace would help you see |
| 06:29.27 | OhGrimes | I removed the receiving. I want to make sure I have the sending working, first. |
| 06:29.28 | OhGrimes | http://pastebin.com/FRVea7Gs |
| 06:29.42 | Shadowed | are you in a party? |
| 06:29.48 | OhGrimes | Yep. |
| 06:30.09 | Shadowed | A party party, or a battleground/wintergrasp party? |
| 06:30.14 | OhGrimes | Party party. |
| 06:30.27 | OhGrimes | I didn't think the sending was the issue. |
| 06:30.27 | Shadowed | Odd, no reason you shouldn't be seeing an event then |
| 06:30.36 | OhGrimes | It's the receiving. |
| 06:30.39 | Shadowed | Did you try /eventtrace yet as Iriel suggested? |
| 06:31.05 | OhGrimes | I haven't. My problem I assumed wasn't that I wasn't getting the messages, but that my mod was simply not handling them right. |
| 06:31.23 | OhGrimes | Could I have an example of how to use CHAT_MSG_ADDON? |
| 06:31.55 | Arathros | is it hard to make your own chat windows? |
| 06:32.09 | Shadowed | mmm I know I have code somewhere |
| 06:32.31 | Iriel | The usual mistakes are (a) Not Registering for the event (b) not checking the event type correctly (c) expecting to see your own messages |
| 06:32.50 | OhGrimes | Yeah. I have absolutely no clue how to actually handle these messages. |
| 06:32.52 | Shadowed | You see your own messages Iriel |
| 06:33.06 | Iriel | Hm, I guess it must depend how you send them |
| 06:33.22 | Arathros | eventtrace doesnt give much info just what event fored at what time with how many args |
| 06:33.54 | OhGrimes | I have a friend who I'm testing with so. |
| 06:34.00 | OhGrimes | He just installs the addon and we give it a go. |
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| 06:34.17 | Arathros | hmm isnt champagne made from grapes |
| 06:35.05 | Iriel | Oh, so you do see your own messages (in guild at least) |
| 06:35.06 | Shadowed | huh? |
| 06:35.11 | Shadowed | Arathros? |
| 06:35.19 | Iriel | That would make testing easier |
| 06:35.25 | OhGrimes | Iriel: I can't tell right now because I"d need to be in a party. |
| 06:35.26 | Arathros | so champagne containing glucose is wrong since grapes = fruits and that fructose |
| 06:35.32 | OhGrimes | But I'd assume that works fine. |
| 06:35.33 | Iriel | Are you in a GUILD? |
| 06:35.43 | OhGrimes | No. But the messages are going to PARTY |
| 06:35.45 | Arathros | CIS miami.. high lvl of glucose.. like soda.. or something or champagne.. |
| 06:35.59 | Iriel | Yes, but i'm trying to help you test on your own without needing someone else |
| 06:36.02 | Arathros | but champagne is made from grapes. = fructose.. = diff sugar strand.. |
| 06:36.04 | Iriel | You're really unguilded? Wierd |
| 06:36.05 | Arathros | ;P |
| 06:36.11 | OhGrimes | Only on this guy. |
| 06:36.11 | OhGrimes | Well. |
| 06:36.28 | Iriel | What does your send line look like? |
| 06:36.43 | WobWork | http://www.chacha.com/question/what-is-champagne-made-out-of,-and-does-it-have-any-glucose |
| 06:36.46 | Iriel | oh I see the pastey |
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| 06:37.18 | OhGrimes | I'm new to LUA. I've done C++ mainly, so I'm a bit confused sometimes. |
| 06:37.31 | Iriel | Ok, so where do you set up your event receiver? |
| 06:38.01 | OhGrimes | This is what I'm saying. I don't know how to do that properly at all. I've tried to do it, but nothing worked. |
| 06:38.06 | Fisker | y helo thar Shadowed |
| 06:38.20 | OhGrimes | And it's 100% because I'm doing it wrong. |
| 06:39.18 | OhGrimes | I really need an example of how CHAT_MSG_ADDON works. |
| 06:39.25 | zenzio | if you want help, you should start answering his questions :-p |
| 06:39.35 | OhGrimes | :-/ I thought I did |
| 06:39.58 | OhGrimes | The answer is right now, there is no event receiver. I removed it because it was broken code. |
| 06:41.20 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5506016/why-is-cnn-talking-about-rapelay |
| 06:41.46 | Arrowmaster | when the fuck are all the major news organizations finally going to go out of business? |
| 06:42.40 | Iriel | http://pastebin.com/d5p7cYyu |
| 06:43.11 | Iriel | I think that's about right |
| 06:43.13 | Fisker | news corp just need to go out of business really |
| 06:43.31 | recluse | canada has the highest rape rate? D= |
| 06:43.33 | OhGrimes | Also I am using AddOn Studio is this a decent tool |
| 06:43.44 | Arrowmaster | any of them that pull this kinda sensationalist crap stories need to die |
| 06:44.18 | Arrowmaster | recluse: yes canada does, but they might be including bestiality in that statistic |
| 06:44.18 | OhGrimes | Iriel: Thanks. I will look this over! |
| 06:44.27 | recluse | lol |
| 06:44.39 | Iriel | That's entirely dry coding, so it might contain a stupid syntax error or something |
| 06:44.42 | Iriel | but the general idea is good |
| 06:44.52 | Fisker | oooooooooh snap Arrowmaster |
| 06:44.53 | Corrodias | fuck CNN |
| 06:44.56 | Fisker | or Ackis |
| 06:45.16 | Arathros | Fisker se lige hvor sverige ligger på den liste |
| 06:45.27 | Fisker | jeg er ikke svensk |
| 06:45.30 | Arathros | og er vi på ;P |
| 06:45.33 | Arathros | i know ;P |
| 06:45.36 | Arathros | dansker power |
| 06:46.15 | krka | i'd change it to this for increased readability and performance http://pastebin.com/hHh3yL9y |
| 06:46.38 | Iriel | krka I was trying to give a skeleton to support other events |
| 06:46.54 | Iriel | krka (and I lifted it out of a piece of code I have that does indeed handle many events) |
| 06:46.58 | Fisker | maybe, with the power of the orb, i should get my vengeance |
| 06:47.01 | Fisker | what do you say Iriel ? |
| 06:47.21 | Iriel | I know better than to meddle in the affairs of mortals |
| 06:48.22 | Iriel | I also know that I need to go to bed, g'night |
| 06:48.31 | Fisker | joins Iriel |
| 06:48.51 | Esamynn | good night Iriel |
| 06:48.53 | krka | good night |
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| 06:58.35 | OhGrimes | Iriel: Works like a charm. Hooray. |
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| 07:04.42 | OhGrimes | What's the function to get the name of your character? |
| 07:06.23 | krka | UnitName ? |
| 07:08.08 | OhGrimes | Hm. I need it to return the name of the character who's playing. |
| 07:08.21 | Shadowed | UnitName("player") |
| 07:08.27 | OhGrimes | Thanks. |
| 07:09.33 | Fisker | Shadowed |
| 07:15.21 | Thunder_Child | i just saw this "[so and so] became a fan of We only need 5,000,000 guys to join to vote Justin Bieber out of our gender" |
| 07:15.38 | Thunder_Child | i lol'd |
| 07:17.12 | Fisker | http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5360/wowhack.png <-pwnt |
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| 07:19.25 | Adys | Fisker: is that real? |
| 07:19.36 | Adys | because it's very smart |
| 07:20.08 | zenzio | I could see a lot of people being fooled by something like that |
| 07:20.47 | Adys | If I didn't know how the launcher worked, I'd see myself being fooled by it |
| 07:20.57 | Shadowed | So this is how competent my campus is at websites |
| 07:20.58 | Shadowed | 4. If you would like to see building layouts, click here: H:\Housing selection\Floor charts\Charts for web.mht |
| 07:21.39 | Adys | what is it with people and spaces |
| 07:21.40 | Adys | :( |
| 07:21.58 | zenzio | they look better than _ in filenames |
| 07:22.11 | Adys | which is why you should always use - |
| 07:22.17 | Shadowed | you mean besides the fact that they are linking to a file on their harddrive |
| 07:22.18 | Shadowed | on a website? |
| 07:22.20 | Fisker | well it seems to be real |
| 07:22.23 | Adys | who cares about that |
| 07:22.24 | zenzio | - looks every worse |
| 07:22.35 | Adys | Fisker: 9835 is an old build |
| 07:22.44 | recluse | i like .'s |
| 07:22.48 | OhGrimes | I think I read that there's no function for it, but is there a way to stop a sound from playing? not music, but a sound. |
| 07:22.54 | Adys | i was like 11 year old and still using windows i had already figured out spaces in filenames were bad |
| 07:23.10 | zenzio | they're not |
| 07:23.14 | Adys | they are |
| 07:23.22 | zenzio | even *nix supports it |
| 07:23.30 | Adys | how does that change anything :P |
| 07:23.35 | Adys | it's not a matter of support |
| 07:23.39 | Adys | it's like accents |
| 07:23.40 | Fisker | i don't think it's the original launcher that's been modified |
| 07:23.42 | zenzio | if every OS support spaces in file names, I deem them not bad |
| 07:23.59 | zenzio | I like my filenames to sound like they're not taken out of Joe Random's Facebook profile |
| 07:24.22 | Adys | Fisker: the launcher can display arbitrary web pages, a virus could very, VERY easily redirect it somewhere |
| 07:24.39 | Adys | zenzio: this isn't about support, once again |
| 07:24.56 | Fisker | i know Adys |
| 07:25.02 | zenzio | I'm stating my opinion which is based on support |
| 07:25.04 | Adys | it's about having, for example, to escape them or to use quotes |
| 07:25.05 | Fisker | but the message at the bottom is hardcoded i believe |
| 07:25.49 | Adys | Fisker: as easy as displaying a different web page is to change the message at the bottom |
| 07:25.58 | Fisker | i know |
| 07:26.04 | Fisker | But you still have to modify teh launcher |
| 07:26.15 | Adys | what's the issue? :P |
| 07:26.25 | Fisker | omg |
| 07:26.29 | Fisker | my account is being investigated |
| 07:26.48 | Fisker | After a recent investigation, we have found that a payment method of your account violated the interest of third parties |
| 07:27.08 | Corrodias | if all the emails i get from hotmail accounts are to be believed, my account is suspended/changed/investigated 5 times a day. |
| 07:27.18 | Adys | sounds like "You're not paying me, that violates my interests" |
| 07:27.30 | Adys | and what is it with you guys and scam mails |
| 07:27.32 | Adys | i never got a single one |
| 07:27.42 | zenzio | that's because no-one cares about you |
| 07:27.53 | Corrodias | Fisker: quick! go to www.blizzard-wow-account-payments-lol.net to fix this! |
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| 07:29.25 | Shirik | Corrodias: Help |
| 07:29.29 | Shirik | the site did not load |
| 07:29.32 | Shirik | how to fix |
| 07:29.44 | Corrodias | oh no, you'd better email me your credit card info! |
| 07:29.50 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:29.55 | Corrodias | i'll make sure it gets in for you |
| 07:29.59 | Shirik | ty |
| 07:32.09 | Fisker | .jpg? |
| 07:33.03 | Arrowmaster | i just had to install directx inside my windows VM |
| 07:35.21 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: fail, it says copyright 2009 |
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| 07:43.52 | Fisker | the copyright notice is part of the site i think |
| 07:44.01 | Fisker | ah |
| 07:44.03 | Fisker | hah |
| 07:44.11 | Fisker | the launcher says 2008 before it loads the site!1 |
| 07:44.13 | Fisker | take that |
| 07:52.12 | Shirik | cries |
| 07:52.17 | Shirik | I just spent 30 minutes looking for a bug |
| 07:52.27 | Shirik | I will show you a block of code in which the bug is present, feel free to try to find it |
| 07:52.45 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/134781-3siu |
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| 07:54.09 | Fisker | why don't you use curly braces on the second while? |
| 07:54.22 | Shirik | it's only one line |
| 07:54.29 | Fisker | i know |
| 07:54.32 | Fisker | problem officer? |
| 07:54.33 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 07:55.36 | Fisker | anyway you escaped the while? |
| 07:55.54 | Fisker | or whatever you call it |
| 07:56.12 | Fisker | should've been while (m_running) not while (m_running); |
| 07:56.36 | Shirik | ^ |
| 07:56.39 | Shirik | Fisker wins |
| 07:56.45 | Fisker | i always do |
| 07:56.45 | Shirik | everyone else, you are pathetic |
| 07:57.18 | Wobin | Well, if you let everyone see what you're working on, we'd do a better job |
| 07:57.21 | Wobin | but you failed =( |
| 07:58.25 | Fisker | the best thing about programming is running over several hundreds line of code because you missed a } somewhere |
| 07:58.42 | Adys | Shirik |
| 07:58.42 | Adys | dude |
| 07:58.58 | Adys | when you dont use braces in a block |
| 07:59.03 | Adys | put it on a single line |
| 07:59.15 | Adys | while (im_stupid) |
| 07:59.17 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.26 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 07:59.35 | Shirik | thwacks Adys |
| 07:59.50 | Adys | and |
| 07:59.51 | Adys | you see |
| 07:59.55 | Adys | this is EXACTlY |
| 08:00.02 | Adys | why you don't put opening braces on new lines |
| 08:00.23 | Adys | who taught you to do that anyway |
| 08:00.29 | Adys | do you think it's pretty? |
| 08:01.13 | Fisker | gets in the car :( |
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| 08:04.57 | mitch0 | shirik: getting used to {} even one liners is a win |
| 08:05.39 | mitch0 | (of course the opening { should be on the end of the while/if line, as adys said) |
| 08:05.59 | OhGrimes | The only problem with my addon now is that you could press the button 10 times and the sounds will just stack. |
| 08:06.03 | Adys | i don't mind braceless blocks |
| 08:06.04 | Adys | but |
| 08:06.08 | Adys | only when necessary |
| 08:06.09 | OhGrimes | I guess I could make a timer... |
| 08:06.28 | mitch0 | adys: braceless blocks _will_ bite you sooner or later :) |
| 08:06.44 | Adys | i rarely use them |
| 08:06.55 | Adys | i usually come up with an excuse to have more than one statement in it |
| 08:07.03 | Adys | i NEVER use one-liner blocks in python |
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| 08:07.15 | mitch0 | "just add this debug line here to see what's going on" <- 1) "doh, need to curly them now or (even worse) 2) wtf it's doing now??? |
| 08:08.16 | mitch0 | even worse in c/c++ with conditional macros |
| 08:09.07 | mitch0 | I just switched to this recently (say a year or so ago) but now I get an itchy feeling when I see curlyless oneliners in old code... |
| 08:10.30 | Adys | i use them in js |
| 08:10.33 | Adys | because they're cute. |
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| 08:12.14 | Adys | ~slap repo |
| 08:12.15 | purl | ACTION slaps repo, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
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| 08:14.42 | Adys | lies to harl |
| 08:16.06 | OhGrimes | I need to make a countdown timer |
| 08:16.52 | harl|LieToMe | thanks, but no thanks, Adys. |
| 08:16.59 | Adys | Why not :( |
| 08:17.17 | Adys | and didnt lie to me stop airing a couple months ago? |
| 08:18.08 | Fisker | harl|LieToMe |
| 08:18.57 | harl|LieToMe | that isn't exactly an argument to stop me from watching it, especially since i'm not livin in the us |
| 08:19.17 | Adys | neither am I, I just expect everyone else to |
| 08:19.22 | harl|LieToMe | lol.. |
| 08:19.33 | Fisker | harl|LieToMe |
| 08:19.35 | Fisker | you are a jerk |
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| 08:34.51 | Shirik | mitch0: no, and no |
| 08:34.57 | Shirik | I agree with you I almost always use braces |
| 08:35.04 | Shirik | there is a reason I didn't here, not going into that now |
| 08:35.13 | Shirik | but NEVER should a brace go on the same line as text, that's just evil |
| 08:35.39 | krka | you're wrong :P |
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| 08:35.52 | Torhal | WTF Shirik |
| 08:36.01 | Shirik | NEVER |
| 08:36.01 | zenzio | embrace the braces |
| 08:36.02 | Torhal | if (i < 10) { |
| 08:36.05 | krka | and there's no excuse for not having braces on the second while |
| 08:36.05 | Shirik | no |
| 08:36.05 | Torhal | That's MY style |
| 08:36.11 | Shirik | nono |
| 08:36.14 | Shirik | next line |
| 08:36.16 | Torhal | NEIN |
| 08:36.19 | krka | it's also sun java standard Torhal :) |
| 08:36.21 | zenzio | I'm with Shirik on this one |
| 08:36.26 | Torhal | krka: Never done Java |
| 08:36.29 | Shirik | krka: It has to do with macro expansion, long story |
| 08:36.30 | Kalroth | braces give you clarity |
| 08:36.33 | Torhal | C/C++/Lua |
| 08:36.37 | Shirik | that while is not a while |
| 08:36.48 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.58 | Kalroth | especially in Lua |
| 08:37.04 | Shirik | Torhal: Evil |
| 08:37.08 | Shirik | Braces go on the next line |
| 08:37.25 | Shirik | Using braces on the same line is communist |
| 08:37.41 | krka | what do you mean? while is not a while? |
| 08:37.48 | krka | does it become a while after a while? |
| 08:37.48 | Shirik | #define while |
| 08:37.54 | Wobin | ... |
| 08:37.56 | Kalroth | what do you do about "if (1==1) {panic;}" then? two lines?! |
| 08:37.59 | Shirik | I said I don't want to get into it |
| 08:38.00 | krka | ... you're redefining while |
| 08:38.01 | Shirik | I know it's evil |
| 08:38.02 | krka | omg |
| 08:38.04 | Shirik | I'M not |
| 08:38.04 | Wobin | ... |
| 08:38.07 | Shirik | it is how it is |
| 08:38.08 | Shirik | ok |
| 08:38.09 | Wobin | You totally are =P |
| 08:38.18 | Wobin | complicity! |
| 08:38.20 | Shirik | I'm using what I've been told to use |
| 08:38.27 | krka | you should rename that macro :/ |
| 08:38.33 | Shirik | NOT MINE |
| 08:38.36 | Wobin | did you stave their head in with a brick for redefining while? |
| 08:38.38 | krka | c/c++ is pretty stupid for allowing that |
| 08:38.39 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:38.52 | krka | LOL! C++ sucks! |
| 08:39.02 | Kalroth | Personally I always redefine define in C++, it really confuses some people. |
| 08:40.00 | krka | that's smart! |
| 08:40.20 | krka | i redefine the assignment operator to make sure no one incorrectly overwrites important values |
| 08:40.22 | zenzio | if you want to freak someone out... "#define BEGIN {" and "#define END }" |
| 08:41.10 | Shirik | I still like my ^_^ operator |
| 08:41.16 | Shirik | best invention of C++ imo |
| 08:41.19 | krka | ... |
| 08:41.35 | krka | that's also horrible |
| 08:41.47 | Shirik | I made foo ^_^ bar mean assert(foo != bar) |
| 08:42.15 | Torhal | ... |
| 08:42.22 | Shirik | it's very easy, _ is an enum, and ^ is a template global operator that takes that and a value of type T |
| 08:42.22 | zenzio | why do you like abusing existing operators? |
| 08:42.24 | Torhal | And you tell ME not to put a brace on the same line as code |
| 08:42.29 | Torhal | :P |
| 08:42.31 | Shirik | HEY it was done as a joke ok |
| 08:42.34 | Shirik | I don't do that in normal code |
| 08:42.39 | zenzio | sure you don't |
| 08:42.50 | Shirik | it was just a proof of concept that ^_^ could be legally used in C++ code |
| 08:43.01 | Shirik | cog|away made it worse |
| 08:43.10 | Shirik | he took my proof of concept and created a library that lets you make all kinds of smiley operators |
| 08:43.37 | Shirik | >_> <_< etc |
| 08:43.38 | zenzio | #%-D |
| 08:43.50 | krka | it's hard to take Shiriks opinion on languages seriously :/ |
| 08:44.43 | Shirik | krka: Keep in mind that it's 5 AM here |
| 08:45.17 | zenzio | excuses |
| 08:45.30 | Shirik | here we are |
| 08:45.31 | Shirik | http://blog.cogwheel.info/2009_10_01_archive.html |
| 08:45.32 | krka | yeah |
| 08:47.43 | Torhal | Shirik: I thought you lived in Washington? |
| 08:47.43 | Shirik | anyway krka |
| 08:47.45 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/108919 |
| 08:47.51 | Shirik | Torhal: not exactly |
| 08:47.54 | Torhal | Heh |
| 08:47.59 | Shirik | I live in either VA, FL, WA, or OR |
| 08:48.02 | Torhal | Aha |
| 08:48.11 | Shirik | my legal residence is VA, but I spend the least amount of time there |
| 08:48.16 | Torhal | I was gonna say "How the hell is it 5am there when it's 4:45 HERE?" |
| 08:48.18 | Shirik | I work on the WA/OR border |
| 08:48.24 | Shirik | I go to school in FL |
| 08:48.38 | krka | Shirik: will you atleast admit that one advantage of java is the lack of weird perversions that people can (and apparently do) write in c or c++? |
| 08:48.43 | Torhal | That explains why you're always checking Florida weather |
| 08:48.44 | krka | such as redefining while |
| 08:48.47 | Shirik | how is that an advantage |
| 08:48.53 | Shirik | admit it |
| 08:48.58 | Shirik | there will never be an obfuscated java contest |
| 08:49.09 | krka | you're having to deal with the fact that while is redefined |
| 08:49.16 | krka | which you admitted was bad |
| 08:49.24 | Shirik | so don't do that! |
| 08:49.31 | Shirik | If this wasn't an academic project I would have shot the guy by now |
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| 09:04.40 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 09:04.46 | Fisker | you are now officially going to be killed :( |
| 09:06.02 | Fisker | aww cog|away |
| 09:06.05 | Fisker | awwwwwwwwwwww |
| 09:09.35 | OhGrimes | Man for some reason I can't get this damn window to be movable |
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| 09:58.20 | Cide | Shirik! |
| 09:59.11 | Kalroth | Sorry, Shirik got redefined and he is now an ice cream shop. Strawberry or vanilla? |
| 09:59.20 | Cide | blueberry |
| 09:59.27 | Kalroth | Mmmmmm |
| 09:59.37 | Kalroth | Damn you, now I want blueberry ice cream |
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| 10:20.06 | Adys | paints Kalroth's berries blue |
| 10:23.16 | Fisker | don't you TDR on me bro |
| 10:24.42 | Antiarc | Best pug ever. |
| 10:24.45 | Antiarc | We wiped on King Dredd. |
| 10:24.46 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/IsoMC.jpg |
| 10:24.49 | Antiarc | The DK is the tank, BTW. |
| 10:25.13 | zenzio | and which one is you? =D |
| 10:25.17 | Antiarc | the rogue. |
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| 10:35.40 | Fisker | sounds like a nice pug Antiarc |
| 10:35.53 | Fisker | maybe if you did some work on blessed you could lower your dps |
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| 10:56.49 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12947096704&sid=1&pageNo=51#1008 <-trolololol |
| 10:57.16 | Kalroth | Fiskerererererer |
| 10:57.34 | Fisker | He's hilarious |
| 10:57.42 | Fisker | First he states it's a cache corruption on which i call him on it |
| 10:57.54 | Fisker | now he changed the story to be that their lua interpretter is causing it |
| 10:57.56 | Fisker | ;d |
| 10:57.57 | Fisker | ;D |
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| 11:36.55 | Wobin | zing |
| 11:36.56 | Wobin | er |
| 11:36.58 | Wobin | zomg |
| 11:36.59 | Wobin | http://rainwarrior.thenoos.net/music/moon8.html |
| 11:37.17 | Wobin | (I never actually realised those words were so close =P) |
| 11:45.00 | Fisker | oh |
| 11:45.19 | Fisker | i didn't know TCP/IP existed in data transfers between memory and the cpu |
| 11:45.48 | Kalroth | wat |
| 11:46.05 | Fisker | Kalroth: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12947096704&sid=1&pageNo=51#1007 <-data transfers only occur with TCP/IP or UDP! |
| 11:46.18 | Fisker | easily owned though |
| 11:46.33 | zenzio | Fisker: duh, they need TCP for those so they can be sure the data arrives intact |
| 11:46.56 | Fisker | what ip does my harddrive have? :( |
| 11:47.26 | zenzio | you fool |
| 11:47.31 | zenzio | each sector has an IP |
| 11:47.34 | Fisker | oh |
| 11:47.46 | Fisker | format 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:48.54 | Fisker | i really hope the IT job he claims he have with a 6-figure salery doesn't pay him in zimbabwe dollars :( |
| 11:52.31 | Fisker | do you think i can get it Kalroth ? |
| 11:53.04 | Kalroth | you can do anything you put your mind to |
| 11:53.19 | Fisker | well i want this guys job |
| 11:53.24 | Fisker | 6-figure salary |
| 11:53.36 | Fisker | and apparently no experience required |
| 11:53.41 | industrial | highfives Fisker |
| 11:53.44 | Fisker | other than moan and bitch at blizzard |
| 11:53.50 | industrial | love that last post |
| 11:54.41 | Fisker | :D |
| 11:54.52 | zenzio | this may have been posted before, but I find it surprisingly awesome: http://www.toplessrobot.com/2010/03/this_was_a_triumph.php |
| 11:57.08 | olafski | the second word is wrong |
| 11:57.10 | olafski | how good can it be |
| 11:57.22 | Adys | Fisker: whats this about? cba to read up about how two idiots can argue over shit |
| 11:57.47 | Fisker | Player delete his cache and addon folder and could login |
| 11:57.58 | Fisker | therefor claiming that the problem was the cache and blizzard coders were incompetent |
| 11:58.09 | Fisker | specifically the cache was corrupted |
| 11:58.15 | olafski | I reinstalled windows and could log in so it was clearly microsoft's fault |
| 11:58.20 | Zyn | and whos fault is that |
| 11:58.22 | Zyn | hyuk hyuk hyuk |
| 11:58.34 | Kalroth | Blame Fisker imo |
| 11:58.50 | Adys | if the cache is corrupted, it's automatically deleted |
| 11:58.57 | Fisker | i know |
| 11:58.58 | Adys | there are a number of checks for that |
| 11:59.15 | Fisker | but this 6-figure salary guy is smarter than me |
| 11:59.23 | Kalroth | Adys: what if both the cache AND the checks are corrupt? huh? huh? |
| 11:59.26 | Adys | that's not a feat |
| 11:59.32 | Adys | Kalroth: this happened before :p |
| 11:59.36 | Fisker | not true either Adys ;3 |
| 11:59.36 | Kalroth | See! |
| 11:59.45 | Adys | specifically... build 6155? i think of wlk beta |
| 11:59.50 | Adys | or.. wait no |
| 11:59.54 | Kalroth | So this 6-figure salary guy IS smarter than Fisker |
| 11:59.56 | Adys | alpha f&f i think |
| 12:00.06 | Adys | so 5900ish |
| 12:00.07 | Adys | anyway |
| 12:00.15 | Fisker | :( Kalroth |
| 12:00.15 | Adys | questcache validation was broken |
| 12:00.21 | Adys | you'd get funky results ingame |
| 12:00.45 | Kalroth | does the jitterbug. |
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| 12:01.14 | Fisker | but i'd figure it wouldn't crash unless you modified the cache yourself |
| 12:01.29 | Fisker | like make all items into huge penises of kalroth |
| 12:01.35 | Fisker | it'd crash because no such thing exists |
| 12:01.41 | Kalroth | :O |
| 12:03.04 | Kalroth | Fisker: find me a gif of this that I can link everywhere: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKQeXXUcKNI |
| 12:03.13 | Kalroth | animated gif* |
| 12:04.26 | olafski | hahaha |
| 12:04.39 | foxlit | Kalroth: http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1390/screenshot20100331at140.png << What have you done?! |
| 12:04.54 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 12:05.52 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/28/funny-pictures-for-mess-shocked-and-hurt/ |
| 12:06.20 | Fisker | Antiarc you there? |
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| 12:07.36 | Kalroth | no he went to bed like 30 mins ago |
| 12:08.29 | Fisker | damn |
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| 12:51.36 | Fisker | You know how it's this problem? when someone tells you at school that you are an idiot you say he dosen't know what he is saying. When another person comes to you and makes you an idiot, you tell him GTFO again. But when the third person comes to you and tells you that your an idiot, well, then you SURELY ARE. |
| 12:51.36 | Fisker | If one person comes and say these are bugs caused by Blizzard, he is prolly wrong. When the second person comes and says the same, he is wrong again, but when the third person comes and says there is a BLIZZARD PROBLEM, well, IT IS. |
| 12:51.37 | Fisker | lol |
| 12:52.59 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 12:53.02 | Lopeppeppy | You're funny, Fisker. |
| 12:53.12 | olafski | an idiot is only so if most people think he is |
| 12:53.23 | olafski | but "you at school" know a lot less people than blizzard |
| 12:53.32 | olafski | so maybe it's blizzard's problem if 2 million people call them idiots |
| 12:54.00 | Fisker | true |
| 12:54.12 | olafski | certainly not if 3 clueless ones say it's so though :P |
| 12:54.17 | mikma | woot, ADR license <3 |
| 12:54.57 | mikma | (European Agreement concerning the international carriage of Dangerous goods by Road) :) |
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| 12:57.25 | Cide | and why do you need to do that? |
| 13:05.32 | Fisker | omg my wow just crashed |
| 13:05.37 | Fisker | must be blizzards fault |
| 13:06.33 | Fisker | lol |
| 13:06.40 | Fisker | my gtx285 is reporting a 100% memory controller load ;o |
| 13:06.48 | Fisker | probably blizzards fault too |
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| 13:27.28 | amro | mikma: you plan on moving bombs around? |
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| 13:41.43 | mikma | amro: i can, but i don't think i will soon |
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| 13:42.49 | zenzelezz | mikma: this is where you should have said "no, I'm just that well endowed" |
| 13:43.15 | Zyn | it's Blizzards fault Fisker exist |
| 13:43.17 | Zyn | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 13:43.52 | mikma | zenzelezz: but i am not. |
| 13:44.13 | zenzelezz | mikma: this it the Internet, everyone's 10 inches or more. Even the girls |
| 13:44.20 | zenzelezz | *is |
| 13:44.20 | mikma | i just don't think i have to move bombs/explosives because there are supercool trucks here that can mix some heavy explosives from 2 containers |
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| 14:02.57 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:03.02 | Funkeh` | wowcompares is broken :< |
| 14:09.10 | foxlit | Funkeh`: nothing new on that front |
| 14:09.25 | foxlit | Hasn't updated since 3.3.0 either |
| 14:09.42 | jnwhiteh | i'm updating wowprogramming's compares as we speak |
| 14:09.45 | jnwhiteh | oddly enough |
| 14:10.50 | Funkeh` | theres viewable compares on wowprogramming? |
| 14:11.00 | foxlit | If it's nearby, you could drop the second filename column from that file summary table, too |
| 14:11.14 | jnwhiteh | not necessarily |
| 14:11.21 | jnwhiteh | for example when there is a new file |
| 14:11.22 | jnwhiteh | but yea |
| 14:11.25 | jnwhiteh | I could make the change quick |
| 14:11.26 | jnwhiteh | while I'm in there |
| 14:11.28 | jnwhiteh | i'll look |
| 14:11.37 | foxlit | Breaks your layout slightly if the browser window is narrow |
| 14:11.50 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 14:11.52 | jnwhiteh | i agree 100% |
| 14:11.54 | jnwhiteh | just have to look at it =) |
| 14:12.36 | jnwhiteh | Funkeh`: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 14:14.10 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: the reason I had that was to be able to view both versions of the file. |
| 14:14.19 | Funkeh` | jnwhiteh, awesome thanks |
| 14:14.28 | foxlit | Mm. Good idea, though it's probably easier to dedicate an icon to that. |
| 14:14.32 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 14:14.53 | jnwhiteh | i could just make it static text |
| 14:14.55 | jnwhiteh | on the right-clumn |
| 14:14.56 | jnwhiteh | column |
| 14:16.14 | jnwhiteh | that's a step in the right direction, I'll try to get something better up |
| 14:16.42 | Funkeh` | jnwhiteh, globalstrings seems to load the entire file then once finished snap back to only having a page worth viewable |
| 14:17.03 | foxlit | Fits in my default window width <4 |
| 14:17.08 | foxlit | -1 |
| 14:17.13 | jnwhiteh | lol =) |
| 14:17.16 | jnwhiteh | Funkeh`: not for me? |
| 14:18.27 | Funkeh` | well, it's not working in opera |
| 14:18.57 | jnwhiteh | i'll check opera in a moment. |
| 14:19.09 | Funkeh` | but all the other ones laod fine |
| 14:19.16 | Funkeh` | or at least most of the ones i tried |
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| 14:21.29 | jnwhiteh | what specifically areou viewing |
| 14:21.30 | jnwhiteh | what url |
| 14:22.00 | Funkeh` | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/GlobalStrings.lua |
| 14:22.21 | jnwhiteh | works fine for me in opera |
| 14:22.24 | jnwhiteh | or not. |
| 14:22.25 | jnwhiteh | umm |
| 14:22.29 | jnwhiteh | odd |
| 14:24.28 | jnwhiteh | not sure what is happenming |
| 14:24.44 | foxlit | That page is so evil it freezes the web inspector in safari :/ |
| 14:24.50 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 14:24.53 | jnwhiteh | evil? |
| 14:25.00 | Fisker | looks at jnwhiteh |
| 14:25.01 | jnwhiteh | the markup may be fucked, i havent' looked. |
| 14:25.02 | foxlit | s/evil/long/ if you prefer :) |
| 14:25.30 | foxlit | And all those <font> tags; it's probably Safari's fault for failing on it |
| 14:25.40 | foxlit | rendering is OK, though |
| 14:27.36 | jnwhiteh | yeah the markup is a bit fucked |
| 14:27.41 | jnwhiteh | i'll validate it quick and see if i can get it better |
| 14:27.45 | jnwhiteh | all passing now. |
| 14:27.52 | Ackis | tsk tsk jnwhiteh... here I thought you were perfect :( |
| 14:28.15 | jnwhiteh | alrught I don't know why it doens't work on Opera |
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| 14:29.01 | Funkeh` | few errors in the console but all relating to the css |
| 14:29.05 | foxlit | "... the game is entirely designed and programmed in 4D." |
| 14:32.06 | Shirik | Cide! |
| 14:32.19 | Cide | hi |
| 14:32.21 | Cide | sc2 later? |
| 14:32.29 | Shirik | maybe |
| 14:32.33 | Shirik | I'm in class until 8 today |
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| 14:34.40 | Lopeppeppy | ouch |
| 14:35.45 | Ackis | would I get in trouble if I changed someones job title on a wiki at work to "Convicted of assault"? :) |
| 14:39.25 | Lopeppeppy | ... yes. |
| 14:39.41 | Ackis | it would be fact however :P |
| 14:39.48 | Ackis | settles for a witty facebook status update :P |
| 14:42.55 | nicoli_s | Ackis: go for it |
| 14:45.38 | Funkeh` | wasn't there a seconds to minutes function somewhere |
| 14:47.29 | Ackis | divide by 60 or multiply by 60 |
| 14:47.57 | Funkeh` | not exactly what i mean |
| 14:48.21 | Funkeh` | you provided it seconds and it returned for example "1h" or "10m" |
| 14:49.55 | Ackis | I think facebook wants me to become a friend with Shirik |
| 14:55.01 | recluse | Funkeh`: UIParent.lua - SecondsToTime() and SecondsToTimeAbbrev()? |
| 14:55.48 | Funkeh` | thanks |
| 14:56.04 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik is very friendly, but doesn't use Facebook much. |
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| 15:05.01 | kneeki | That's so weird... I can't move or make any size adjustments to chat windows until I run them a few seconds after the player logs in. If I do it during Addon Loaded, the size/movements don't do anything at all... |
| 15:05.20 | kneeki | Do I really have to use a disposable OnUpdate for this? |
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| 15:20.04 | recluse | what goes in config.wtf to bypass the intro movie? |
| 15:22.26 | haste | SET movie "0" probably |
| 15:22.48 | recluse | the movie makes my wine crash >.> |
| 15:23.28 | Zyn | use beer |
| 15:23.44 | recluse | :p |
| 15:27.58 | recluse | well, no movie :) |
| 15:29.06 | Torhal | recluse: Are you using Wine 1.1.41? |
| 15:29.41 | Grum | how to find out the time a GCD which is currently running will end? |
| 15:30.08 | recluse | Torhal: it's wine-1.0.1 |
| 15:31.23 | Torhal | recluse: That's your problem. Use the latest Beta |
| 15:31.52 | recluse | hehe |
| 15:32.49 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/486650258 |
| 15:33.09 | recluse | i'll give it a try |
| 15:33.17 | Torhal | You'll be much happier. |
| 15:34.24 | recluse | Torhal: continue to use opengl with it, or did d3d9 improve at all? |
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| 15:52.19 | amro | ZorbaTHut: ping |
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| 16:04.40 | Torhal | recluse: OpenGL |
| 16:04.55 | Torhal | Though the very latest (which I'm compiling now) supposedly has a plethora of D3D fixes |
| 16:05.11 | recluse | bleh, still have the stuttering feet sometimes, but seems fine so far |
| 16:05.21 | nevcairiel | it'll still be slower, and you still have to turn off fullscreen glow |
| 16:05.26 | nevcairiel | use opengl. |
| 16:05.43 | nevcairiel | wine devs dont really work on WoW-DX mode, as opengl works fine |
| 16:05.59 | recluse | yeah, i've been using opengl for it |
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| 16:14.11 | Torhal | recluse: Stuttering feet, eh? Try "xset r off" before launching WoW. |
| 16:14.29 | Torhal | Keyboard repeat makes you walk funny. |
| 16:14.37 | recluse | lol |
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| 16:18.21 | recluse | beautiful! |
| 16:18.28 | Torhal | ? |
| 16:18.33 | recluse | that's been annoying me forever. |
| 16:18.36 | Torhal | Ah |
| 16:18.37 | Torhal | :D |
| 16:18.57 | Torhal | I run WoW from a shell script, sets that before running WoW.exe then does "xset r on" afterward |
| 16:19.02 | recluse | i figured it was just an issue with wine-wow compatability |
| 16:19.06 | Torhal | I usually turn it back on anyway while coding |
| 16:19.17 | recluse | yeah |
| 16:21.40 | Ackis | quite WINEING about compatibility lulz |
| 16:21.45 | Ackis | ok that was bad... even for me |
| 16:21.50 | amro | yes |
| 16:21.51 | Ackis | blame Torhal |
| 16:22.06 | amro | blame Canada |
| 16:22.11 | Shirik | ~x de en glnza |
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| 16:22.20 | Stanzilla | ~failackis |
| 16:22.27 | Shirik | nevcairiel |
| 16:22.27 | Stanzilla | woah nobody did that one? :( |
| 16:22.32 | Ackis | lol Stanzilla |
| 16:22.34 | Shirik | does "glnza" mean anything to you? |
| 16:22.46 | Shirik | in a text message from a german |
| 16:22.55 | Stanzilla | not a german word, shirik |
| 16:23.05 | mikma | http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/PeriodicTableofNerdery.jpg |
| 16:23.05 | Shirik | I got that, but maybe some kind of abbreviation |
| 16:23.14 | Stanzilla | context? |
| 16:24.04 | Shirik | Asked where a restaurant was, response: "glnza on clyde morris, po" (po is a city) |
| 16:24.55 | Ackis | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/funny-facebook-ball-exam.png <-- maybe NSFW |
| 16:25.02 | Stanzilla | maybe T9 or some other system fail |
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| 16:27.30 | industrial | ~Ackis++ |
| 16:27.33 | Maldivia | Ackis: and if he finds something, he can always go visit http://www.urologyteam.com/dr-richard-chopp |
| 16:29.33 | Torhal | ~lart Ackis |
| 16:29.33 | purl | eats Ackis and falls over dead |
| 16:29.37 | Torhal | Whoah |
| 16:29.57 | nevcairiel | Shirik: no meaning to me |
| 16:36.00 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:36.07 | Fisker | i need an ip for my harddrive |
| 16:36.42 | Shirik | rm -rf 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:37.45 | Fisker | i wish |
| 16:38.39 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_flies_like_an_arrow;_fruit_flies_like_a_banana |
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| 16:43.39 | nicoli_s | Ackis: not funny, testicular cancer isnt a joke |
| 16:44.06 | Ackis | no but a wanking session is |
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| 16:46.56 | industrial | *rimshot* |
| 16:47.05 | Gintaro | padoem tsjing! |
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| 16:48.16 | Ackis | CanadaAckis won 7 achievements in Dawn of War II (PC) for 446 points. |
| 16:48.25 | Ackis | I'm a DoW2 guru now! |
| 16:48.50 | foxlit | time better spent playing sc2 |
| 16:48.54 | kneeki | Anyone know why ChatModifications:AdjustChatWindows() isn't being ran? ChatModifications:MakeChatModifications() is running fine, but not the Adjusting function. http://www.wowi.pastey.net/134795 =( |
| 16:49.20 | kneeki | Also, i can run it from the /script ChatMod... just fine, works without problems |
| 16:49.23 | olafski | gg ackis |
| 16:49.28 | Ackis | I got kicked from an online game last night in DoW2 and I was like wtf happened... I had a trainer activated for single player still lol |
| 16:49.28 | olafski | you're crazy playing that game online |
| 16:49.31 | olafski | singleplayer is nice tho |
| 16:49.54 | Ackis | I have most of the online achievements in the first one, none in the expansion yet |
| 16:49.55 | airtonix | so is tic tac toe |
| 16:50.15 | olafski | ah yes I forgot that you might have been playing it on pc :P |
| 16:50.26 | olafski | silly gfwl being included in the xbox gamercards :( |
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| 16:56.09 | mikma | kneeki: are you sure wow ain't returning the default look of the chatframe right at the moment you enter the new ones? i've seen it happen more than once |
| 16:57.09 | kneeki | mikma: It's possible. I've even setup an OnUpdate script that which after 5 seconds, runs the function; except nothing happens. It seems to only work after I run it in the chat window manually via /script |
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| 17:04.18 | DWSR_ | hey all |
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| 17:09.04 | Lopeppeppy | pounces alestane. HA! |
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| 17:09.14 | alestane | Oooff! |
| 17:09.21 | alestane | You got me! |
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| 17:10.16 | Lopeppeppy | I did. I'm sneaky like that. |
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| 17:10.52 | Lopeppeppy | To all of my flash-using time-wasting friends, I offer dice-wars risk! http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/dice/dice.html See you next week. |
| 17:11.02 | alestane | Sneaky Peppy is sneaky. |
| 17:11.29 | alestane | You are enthusiastic today, is The Project going well? |
| 17:15.45 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 17:16.29 | DWSR_ | Station |
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| 17:19.15 | Shirik | oh I've seen this before Lopeppeppy |
| 17:19.16 | Shirik | it's fun |
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| 17:22.33 | Lopeppeppy | I love it. Must unbookmark it at work! |
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| 17:28.37 | Lunessa | is filled with hate, rage, and all things Dark Side. |
| 17:29.29 | Lopeppeppy | offers Lunessa a green M&M |
| 17:30.01 | Lunessa | gobbles it down greedily, while muttering like Smeogl. |
| 17:35.18 | Cairenn | uses a fake hand on a ten foot pole to reach out and pet Lunessa (gotta be careful when they are in moods like this, could lose a hand!) |
| 17:36.11 | Lunessa | Now that I've gotten rid of the fool who demands to speak to the director because a tech logged onto his machine to perform an upgrade... I'm much calmer now. |
| 17:36.45 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:36.48 | Cairenn | hugs Lunessa |
| 17:38.03 | DWSR_ | Lunessa: People have silly notions that they have privacy at work |
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| 17:38.50 | tem | Dear Windows, |
| 17:38.55 | Lunessa | DWSR_: *nod* |
| 17:39.00 | tem | Fucking ask me before you restart. |
| 17:39.10 | DWSR_ | Dear tem, |
| 17:39.16 | tem | If I've been idle for a long time, don't assume I'm going to see your 5 minute warning. |
| 17:39.27 | DWSR_ | Bitch please. |
| 17:39.29 | DWSR_ | Love, Windows. |
| 17:39.44 | Fisker | trips Lunessa |
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| 17:40.13 | adimit | Is PerfectRaid still being maintained? |
| 17:40.56 | adimit | Wow-Interface lists the last update in May 2009... :-( |
| 17:42.13 | Dagmar | tem: Pfft. GOOD LUCK with that one |
| 17:42.20 | DWSR_ | Was last updated on curseForge for 3.0.2 |
| 17:42.27 | Dagmar | If you've been playing at 3am recently, Microsoft doesn't care what you want. |
| 17:42.42 | tem | no |
| 17:42.45 | tem | I left stuff open |
| 17:42.48 | Dagmar | At 3am sharp, Windows 7 will shut down your game, log you out, and reboot your happy ass whether you like it or not. |
| 17:42.51 | tem | that it closed because it did a restart |
| 17:43.00 | Fisker | not really |
| 17:43.06 | DWSR_ | tem: What stuff? |
| 17:43.07 | Dagmar | Doesn't matter if you told it five minutes ago that you want to postpone the reboot for another four hours or not. |
| 17:43.16 | adimit | DWSR, that probably means "no," eh? |
| 17:43.19 | tem | a text file in this case |
| 17:43.23 | Dagmar | It simply does not watch your idle or applications status. |
| 17:43.23 | Fisker | lies Dagmar |
| 17:43.23 | alestane | I don;t know if there have been any API changes that required updating PerfectRaid since 3.0. |
| 17:43.27 | DWSR_ | adimit: Nope. |
| 17:43.30 | tekkub | hint: never EVER let auto-update install on it's own |
| 17:43.32 | Dagmar | Fisker: It did it to me last night, again |
| 17:43.33 | tem | which I hadn't saved because it was supposed to just be a temporary thing |
| 17:43.33 | DWSR_ | adimit: Yes, no. |
| 17:43.42 | Dagmar | It's not auto-update. |
| 17:43.42 | tekkub | *always* use "download and inform me when it's ready to install" |
| 17:43.46 | Fisker | i disagree Dagmar |
| 17:43.52 | Dagmar | Once you've installed the update, you are comitted |
| 17:43.55 | Fisker | naw tekkub that's for bitches |
| 17:43.56 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 17:43.56 | DWSR_ | What tekkub said. |
| 17:44.17 | Dagmar | Yeah well, you're Fisker so we know your level of accuracy |
| 17:44.22 | tekkub | that's why you don't install it till you're ready to reboot |
| 17:44.30 | Taroven | adimit: Cladhaire is the author, why not ask? (The answer is yes, and if you check the comments you'll see posts within the past week or two from him) |
| 17:44.34 | tekkub | which is why it'll sit there for months :) |
| 17:44.36 | Dagmar | If they've flagged it as a critical security update, you *also* don't get any choice |
| 17:44.40 | Fisker | accuracy for what? |
| 17:44.46 | DWSR_ | Dagmar: yes you do. |
| 17:44.55 | tekkub | ^ |
| 17:45.03 | tekkub | smarter than windows update :P |
| 17:45.06 | Dagmar | dwsr: Youv'e got a more forgiving version than W7 64-bit Ultimate then |
| 17:45.15 | DWSR_ | Dagmar: You just need to l2config, imo. |
| 17:45.19 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 17:45.23 | adimit | Taroven: thanks. I'll look around. I was asking because I might be interested in work on it a little (like adding icon support, nicer config, etc...) |
| 17:45.57 | Taroven | adimit: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4673-PerfectRaid.html#comments or just PM him. He'll get it either way. |
| 17:46.14 | alestane | I just passed a Tauren druid named Cernunes. The literacy of the reference was somewhat offset by the "Jenkins" title that was appended. |
| 17:46.17 | DWSR_ | Taroven: Meh, it would be nice if people did regular ToC updates. |
| 17:46.26 | adimit | Taroven: thanks. |
| 17:46.36 | DWSR_ | ~wiki Cernunes |
| 17:46.48 | tekkub | http://img.skitch.com/20100331-bwu1f7pnf3s5xx7m5amdt1yemn.jpg |
| 17:46.53 | tekkub | :P |
| 17:46.53 | alestane | ~wiki Cernunnos |
| 17:47.14 | DWSR_ | alestane:Yeah, grabbed it from the search. |
| 17:47.16 | DWSR_ | SHIRIK |
| 17:47.35 | Taroven | DWSR_: Well, depends on how the toc update is being done. I use the toc as a "Yes, this addon really does work with patch X.X.X!" instead of "Yes, I care about those red out of date thingies in your addon list". |
| 17:48.08 | alestane | Updating the ToC just to update the ToC is something I consider sort of silly. |
| 17:48.14 | Taroven | Agreed. |
| 17:48.32 | alestane | Unless you've actually tested your add-on substantially with the changes and actively want to affirm that it's still compatible. |
| 17:48.36 | DWSR_ | Taroven: I look at ToC updates as saying "Yes, I checked and this addon still works for this patch" |
| 17:48.37 | tem | Taroven, or just ping him in this channel imo |
| 17:48.40 | tem | jnwhiteh, ping |
| 17:49.06 | Taroven | If it's been tested and proven (relatively) stable in a patch, then I update the toc. If not, no update for j00. |
| 17:49.53 | Taroven | People can tell what addon versions I've abandoned by their tocs alone... if the toc hasn't been updated since 2.3, you know it's a goner. |
| 17:50.40 | Taroven | ...yet for some reason I keep seeing addons with horrendously outdated code getting tocbumps, which confuses the living daylights out of me. Sigh. |
| 17:52.25 | tem | wow |
| 17:52.38 | tem | I've been doing horribly and I'm still not the lowest in my division |
| 17:52.42 | tem | SC ranking are weird. |
| 17:53.12 | Grum | fixing tracked completed achievements in tracking frame: /script RemoveTrackedAchievement(GetTrackedAchievements()) |
| 17:55.37 | Taroven | haste: Ping |
| 17:55.41 | haste | Taroven: pong |
| 17:56.16 | Taroven | haste: Anything special that needs to be done to add maintanks and/or boss health bars (gunship/princes) to oUF? |
| 17:56.28 | jnwhiteh | tem: pong |
| 17:56.45 | tem | jnwhiteh, someone asking about praid in this channell |
| 17:56.48 | tem | don't remember who |
| 17:57.02 | tem | (tabbed away losing match in sc) |
| 17:57.09 | adimit | that would be me :-) |
| 17:57.20 | jnwhiteh | alright |
| 17:57.21 | jnwhiteh | wats up |
| 17:57.39 | adimit | I was just asking how actively maintained it was, and if the author (i.e. you) accepts patches? |
| 17:57.50 | jnwhiteh | its not actively maintained |
| 17:57.53 | jnwhiteh | and i accept patches. |
| 17:58.01 | haste | Taroven: MTs depends on: oRA's list or Blizzards? boss frames are called bossN and is handled by 1.3.<something in the 20s> |
| 17:58.04 | jnwhiteh | especially if tey're written in an intelligent way and they're easily applied. |
| 17:58.37 | adimit | well, yeah, that's sort of the point :-) |
| 17:58.56 | jnwhiteh | well you'd be surprised the sorts of patches I do get |
| 17:58.59 | haste | tem: 1.3.27+ |
| 17:59.01 | jnwhiteh | what are you looking to do? |
| 17:59.12 | adimit | sec, I'm in VH... |
| 17:59.13 | haste | s/tem/Taroven/ |
| 17:59.46 | jnwhiteh | well i'm leaving momentarily |
| 17:59.47 | jnwhiteh | so email me. |
| 17:59.49 | Taroven | haste: Thankies. No events or anything extra to register, correct? |
| 17:59.58 | adimit | jnwhiteh, I'd like to add icon support for debuffs, for example. |
| 18:00.07 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 18:00.08 | adimit | jnwhiteh: ah ok. I see what I can hack up. |
| 18:00.12 | haste | Taroven: oUF does that part for you |
| 18:00.16 | jnwhiteh | i won't accept a patch for that |
| 18:00.22 | jnwhiteh | it goes against what praid is |
| 18:00.27 | adimit | jnwhiteh, ok. |
| 18:00.31 | jnwhiteh | unless you mean icons inline with no possibility for cooldowns or oter information |
| 18:00.32 | Taroven | haste: Perfect, thanks. |
| 18:00.47 | jnwhiteh | otherwise its no longer perfectraid |
| 18:00.53 | haste | Taroven: note that I'm talking about boss frames now |
| 18:00.59 | haste | Taroven: they are widely different from MTs |
| 18:01.00 | jnwhiteh | its a bar raid frame addon, same as SUF, same as Pitbull, etc. |
| 18:01.43 | Taroven | haste: Heh, figured that. |
| 18:01.52 | jnwhiteh | but again, feel free to email me |
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| 18:02.05 | adimit | Well, currently, when someone has a magic debuff, It only shows "Ma", but I don't want to dispell frostbolts... |
| 18:02.32 | jnwhiteh | so, display the buffs that you actually want to dispel |
| 18:02.40 | jnwhiteh | you should know what they are |
| 18:02.51 | adimit | So instead of saying "Ma" it'd display a small icon... |
| 18:03.00 | jnwhiteh | no, again. |
| 18:03.04 | adimit | ok. |
| 18:03.06 | jnwhiteh | perfectraid shows what you configure it to do |
| 18:03.09 | jnwhiteh | that's not going to change |
| 18:03.18 | jnwhiteh | if you want a unit frame to show you buffs and debuffs, there are 100s that already do that |
| 18:03.30 | adimit | True :-) I like the minimalistic apporach it takes... |
| 18:03.36 | jnwhiteh | if you want to not display Ma and want to instead display those debuffs that you ARE interested in dispelling |
| 18:03.39 | jnwhiteh | then you can configure it to do this today |
| 18:03.43 | tem | omg I won |
| 18:03.54 | jnwhiteh | the list of what you want to dispel is smaller than the list of all debuffs |
| 18:03.58 | jnwhiteh | so its the only sane way to do it. |
| 18:03.59 | tem | oh |
| 18:04.11 | tem | I matched me against bronze league again D: |
| 18:04.14 | tem | it |
| 18:04.33 | jnwhiteh | hope that makes sense |
| 18:04.45 | jnwhiteh | adimit: I would support inline debuff icons |
| 18:04.57 | jnwhiteh | but they would not show durations, or anything. |
| 18:05.00 | jnwhiteh | and you'd have to opt-in |
| 18:05.04 | jnwhiteh | so that wouldn't solve your problem |
| 18:05.14 | adimit | jnwhiteh, it does. I actually only wanted it while levelling, because often I don't know what I want to dispell beforehand. |
| 18:05.25 | jnwhiteh | no, you would have to opt-in |
| 18:05.28 | jnwhiteh | you're not seeming to get that :p |
| 18:05.30 | adimit | Also in obscure raids I haven't run in ages. |
| 18:05.37 | jnwhiteh | you'd have to tell it frostbolt before it would show you the icon |
| 18:07.20 | jnwhiteh | since in real world scenarios at any given point you are bound to have multiple negative debuffs of the same type on you at a time |
| 18:07.29 | adimit | I see. |
| 18:07.31 | jnwhiteh | and it would only ever display one of those, and I don't even believe that should happen. |
| 18:07.40 | adimit | Yeah, that's true, I wasn't thinking of that... |
| 18:07.41 | jnwhiteh | there would also be no way to distinguish between buffs and debuffs |
| 18:07.43 | jnwhiteh | i.e. no red/green borders |
| 18:07.56 | jnwhiteh | this is why I have the system I have in place :P |
| 18:09.29 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF4mRKXKJ34 <-- dog eats police car |
| 18:09.43 | jnwhiteh | alright i'm not paying attention here anymore, so email me with any issues or questions :p |
| 18:09.53 | adimit | jnwhiteh: I will. :-) |
| 18:15.16 | tem | omg I won again |
| 18:15.27 | tem | yay for banelings! |
| 18:16.05 | tem | ouch |
| 18:16.07 | cog|away | omg... http://www.sco.com/images/company/SCO_Code_of_Conduct_and_Ethics_Policy-Final.pdf |
| 18:16.11 | tem | copper league opponent |
| 18:16.22 | tem | I got 4 points for winning D: |
| 18:16.29 | Taroven | haste: One more question... Is there any more efficient way to classcolor bar backgrounds than (post/override)updateHealth? Trying to trim out and/or move some hopefully unnecessary code. |
| 18:16.56 | DWSR | cog|away: Question |
| 18:17.00 | DWSR | WTF does SCO DO? |
| 18:17.06 | nevcairiel | isnt there a colorClass flag? |
| 18:17.13 | wereHamster | DWSR: sue other companies? |
| 18:17.20 | nevcairiel | there is :d |
| 18:17.22 | Taroven | nevcairiel: Not for health.bg, as far as I've seen |
| 18:17.39 | durcyn | DWSR: they collect license fees from gullible companies, like AutoZone, who actually believed their gobshite |
| 18:17.41 | nevcairiel | oh backgrounds, who colors backgrounds |
| 18:17.47 | nevcairiel | backgrounds inherit the color of the castbar |
| 18:17.51 | DWSR | durcyn: They don't really do anything else, then, eh? |
| 18:17.56 | cog|away | i love it... http://ir.sco.com/releases.cfm has a link to their code of conduct (above). Sco Code of Conduct and Ethics Policy-Final.... Document not found... |
| 18:18.02 | nevcairiel | *bar, anyway |
| 18:18.26 | olafski | hum, done all the HFP quests I can find except 2 dungeon ones and I still don't have To Hellfire and Back.. as alliance I didn't have to do a single dungeon for it iirc :/ |
| 18:18.27 | haste | Taroven: if you only want to color the background then post is probably what you want to do |
| 18:19.28 | Taroven | haste: Ah hell, wishful thinking. |
| 18:19.38 | Taroven | s/hell/well/ |
| 18:19.51 | nevcairiel | hell works too |
| 18:20.00 | Taroven | lawl. =P |
| 18:20.31 | DWSR | http://www.sco.com/company/legal/letter_20090824.html <-- ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 18:20.34 | DWSR | hahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 18:20.37 | DWSR | hahahahahahahahahaha |
| 18:20.45 | DWSR | That's supposed to be a joke, right? |
| 18:22.25 | nevcairiel | thats so august 2009 |
| 18:22.50 | Taroven | DWSR: http://techdirt.com/articles/20100330/1520448793.shtml |
| 18:24.02 | Taroven | DWSR: Found that in my reader this morning, got a kick out of it. |
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| 18:25.01 | kneeki | http://felfire.com/other/offical-fel-fire-patch/ |
| 18:25.03 | kneeki | huh |
| 18:25.37 | Taroven | kneeki: Nice. |
| 18:25.50 | kneeki | I'm so terribly temped |
| 18:30.10 | olafski | looks nice |
| 18:30.58 | Lopeppeppy | At least the fact that it violates the ToS is in big red letters... |
| 18:31.11 | kneeki | lol yeah, he's not being deceptive about it |
| 18:31.17 | kneeki | but i REALLY want green fire |
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| 18:31.53 | kneeki | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwgTr1qs134 <- HILARIOUS |
| 18:32.32 | olafski | lol |
| 18:33.31 | industrial | looool kneeki |
| 18:34.12 | industrial | I like how priests can float in front of a boat and ride it, dunno if shaman can do that with water walking, hmmm. |
| 18:35.02 | DWSR | lol kneeki |
| 18:35.11 | DWSR | Soul Fire -> FEL CANNON BLAST |
| 18:35.23 | kneeki | haha |
| 18:35.48 | olafski | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Warriorski <-- is this what they call rainbow gear? =) |
| 18:36.36 | olafski | should've let the imp keep its fireballs imo |
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| 18:42.25 | DWSR | olafski: Nah |
| 18:42.36 | DWSR | I like all green. |
| 18:43.24 | olafski | this is all green? oO |
| 18:43.40 | olafski | looks to me like yellow, purple, grey, black, and green |
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| 18:54.11 | DWSR | olafski: That was @ kneeki |
| 18:54.32 | kneeki | -.- |
| 19:01.55 | kneeki | Is it possible to put icons on a text string? Like create a frame & text string, then do something like what the raid icons do, or the icons if your doing trail of the crusader daily's when it tells you to charge? |
| 19:02.25 | kneeki | by icons, I mean spell icons :) |
| 19:03.22 | DWSR | I believe that you can, yes. |
| 19:03.26 | olafski | kneeki: oh :P ok |
| 19:03.32 | Gagorian | kneeki: Yeah |
| 19:03.33 | olafski | ehh.. dwsr: oh :P ok |
| 19:03.37 | kneeki | Care to point me in the right direction? |
| 19:03.43 | DWSR | kneeki: No idea. |
| 19:04.14 | Gagorian | kneeki: "|TInterface\\Icons\\Spell_Misc_Food:17:17:-2:0|t" |
| 19:04.15 | Gagorian | for example |
| 19:04.25 | kneeki | oh wow |
| 19:04.40 | kneeki | Thanks! |
| 19:04.43 | Taroven | I'll have to keep that little trick in mind. |
| 19:04.45 | kneeki | I had no idea |T existed |
| 19:04.50 | kneeki | Kind of like |c ? |
| 19:04.53 | Gagorian | Start the string with "|T" .. iconpath .. "sizex:sizey:offsetx:offsety|t" |
| 19:05.05 | Gagorian | then you can append any text after |
| 19:05.07 | Gagorian | for example |
| 19:05.12 | Gagorian | or before |
| 19:06.06 | Fisker | Gagorian |
| 19:06.17 | Gagorian | DAMN FISKER FOUND ME |
| 19:06.25 | Gagorian | hides again |
| 19:07.13 | kneeki | Gagorian: Thanks for your info! :) |
| 19:07.37 | Gagorian | np |
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| 19:10.11 | Fisker | Gagorian |
| 19:10.30 | Fisker | btw kneeki |
| 19:10.33 | Fisker | character and realm? |
| 19:16.09 | Gagorian | Don't tell Fisker anything |
| 19:16.27 | Gagorian | (from the silence I'd assume you already know that) |
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| 19:18.08 | DWSR | What should I get on my hands as a pvp enchant? |
| 19:18.23 | DWSR | Crusher? |
| 19:18.27 | DWSR | DK PvP* |
| 19:23.15 | Fisker | wyh do you call a walking...-o-meter for a pedometer? :( |
| 19:25.10 | DWSR | latin |
| 19:25.28 | olafski | isn't it podometer? |
| 19:25.31 | DWSR | no. |
| 19:25.36 | olafski | hm |
| 19:25.49 | kneeki | Fisker: hrm? why? |
| 19:25.57 | kneeki | Gonna report me for green fire? :( |
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| 19:29.39 | Gagorian | Fisker: Ped means foot. Compare to pedestrian for example |
| 19:30.47 | kneeki | Gagorian: |T: unexpected symbol near | |
| 19:30.50 | kneeki | ? |
| 19:31.00 | Gagorian | paste your code line |
| 19:31.37 | kneeki | "|t"..icon_path..":17:17|t"..|cff"..HEX_COLOR..DISPLAY_TEXT |
| 19:31.47 | kneeki | it was capitol before, i just tried lower case, same thing |
| 19:32.55 | Gagorian | what the icon path? |
| 19:33.01 | Gagorian | s/what/what's/ |
| 19:33.25 | batrick | Shirik: hi |
| 19:33.36 | kneeki | local name, icon_path, spellId = (select(1, UnitAura("player", SPELL_NAME))), (select(3, UnitAura("player", SPELL_NAME))), (select(11, UnitAura("player", SPELL_NAME))) |
| 19:33.49 | kneeki | Which now that I think about it, is querying UnitAura() 3 times... |
| 19:34.11 | Gagorian | "|T"..icon_path..":17:17:0:0|t"..|cff"..HEX_COLOR..DISPLAY_TEXT |
| 19:34.18 | Gagorian | is how it should work if your icon_path is valid |
| 19:36.56 | kneeki | icon path is definatly valid |
| 19:37.08 | kneeki | Interface\Icons\Ability_Warlock_MoltenCore |
| 19:38.55 | Gagorian | Remember if you enter the string you need to escape the backslashes |
| 19:39.40 | kneeki | I'm not entering it, I'm just print()'ing it when it fires instead of the "|T" bit |
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| 19:40.18 | Gagorian | Alright, then I'm not sure what your issue is if you're using the code I pasted above |
| 19:40.46 | DWSR | kneeki: Caps matter. |
| 19:41.22 | Gagorian | local rvicon = "|T" .. select(3,GetSpellInfo(53380)) .. ":16:16:1:-1|t" |
| 19:41.29 | Gagorian | thats a straight example out of my code that works fine |
| 19:42.38 | kneeki | Wish I knew what was wrong with mine, what a bummer |
| 19:43.50 | DWSR | kneeki: Case sensitivity. |
| 19:43.58 | kneeki | http://www.wowi.pastey.net/134801 |
| 19:44.35 | kneeki | that code works |
| 19:44.37 | kneeki | odd |
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| 19:45.52 | Gagorian | I usually like to close my color codes too, not sure if it makes any difference |
| 19:45.56 | Fisker | yes kneeki |
| 19:46.15 | Fisker | is that latin or something Gagorian ? |
| 19:46.17 | Gagorian | return "|cff".. string_format("%02x%02x%02x", r * 255, g * 255, b * 255) .. text .. "|r" |
| 19:46.20 | Gagorian | Fisker: aye |
| 19:47.37 | Fisker | in b4 pedophiles are people who like to walk |
| 19:47.38 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 19:47.40 | Fisker | ;333333333 |
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| 19:48.46 | Gagorian | Fisker: But pedo is derived from Greek and means kid |
| 19:48.50 | Gagorian | not the same thing :p |
| 19:48.50 | OhGrimes | Does anyone here use WoW UI Designer |
| 19:49.10 | DWSR | OhGrimes: That terribly awful and broken piece of shit? No. |
| 19:49.18 | Gagorian | Fisker: The -o- in pedometer is added due to other reasons, not because it's the stem word. Compare to speedometer |
| 19:49.28 | OhGrimes | DWSR: What should I use? |
| 19:49.32 | Fisker | shhh Gagorian |
| 19:49.33 | Fisker | i know |
| 19:49.36 | Fisker | don't ruin it |
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| 19:51.42 | OhGrimes | Sooooo is WoW UI Designer actually awful or is this just DWSR hating it. |
| 19:51.49 | DWSR | OhGrimes: It's awful. |
| 19:52.58 | OhGrimes | Well what do you recommend |
| 19:52.58 | cog|away | WoW UI Designer was ALMOST not awful back when it wasn't two? three? years out of date |
| 19:53.05 | DWSR | ^ |
| 19:53.08 | DWSR | OhGrimes: We don't. |
| 19:53.11 | Shadowed | cog|away: It become a lot less useful when you could CreateFrame UIs |
| 19:53.17 | Shadowed | s/become/became/ |
| 19:53.26 | DWSR | There are no good WoW UI design tools. |
| 19:53.30 | DWSR | Nor do you need any. |
| 19:53.38 | OhGrimes | Unghhhhhh |
| 19:53.50 | Shadowed | The best bet is to use something like jnwhiteh's WowLua, since you can tweak frames without having to reload your UI every time |
| 19:53.56 | DWSR | ^ |
| 19:54.04 | cog|away | OhGrimes: the only other player in town is AddOn Studio. While up-to-date, its awfulness is definitely on par with UI Designer |
| 19:54.09 | Shadowed | but UI work is mostly trial and error |
| 19:54.26 | DWSR | Shadowed sinks the 3! |
| 19:54.28 | cog|away | s/up-to-date/more up-to-date/ |
| 19:56.11 | Shadowed | It's a bit of a pain, but welcome to doing UIs :P |
| 19:56.21 | Lunessa | wants a sammich and a cookie. Shirik, Make it so. |
| 19:56.29 | cog|away | Lunessa: you forgot "sudo" |
| 19:57.06 | Lunessa | wants a sammich and a cookie. sudo -Shirik, Make it so. |
| 19:57.15 | Shadowed | what's the password |
| 19:57.33 | Fisker | you are |
| 19:57.44 | Fisker | i wanted to kill you Shadowed :( |
| 19:58.09 | cog|work | password: fisKERb0n3zh1sm0m |
| 19:59.05 | Fisker | i wish |
| 20:00.34 | Lunessa | cog|work: That hurt on multiple levels. I need mental bleach now. |
| 20:02.47 | alestane | One thing the LFD system has created: people who don't know where the instance is. |
| 20:03.31 | Lunessa | alestane: No, it just exposed them more frequently. |
| 20:03.47 | alestane | Not doing LBRS anymore. |
| 20:03.53 | alestane | Not on this toon anyway. |
| 20:04.41 | alestane | I hate typhoon-happy druids. |
| 20:04.54 | Lunessa | I used to love that place, but it is pretty badly laid out for doing quests. |
| 20:05.16 | alestane | It's another one of those "You're really supposed to do this place five times to finish everything" dungeons. |
| 20:06.07 | Lunessa | Right, from when MC and BWL weren't ready and they needed something to keep people busy/looking for loot. |
| 20:06.23 | alestane | MC was launchday content, I thought. |
| 20:06.57 | Dashkal | MC came out later. UBRS was the raid before it |
| 20:07.44 | alestane | BWL was patch 1.2 or so. |
| 20:07.58 | alestane | But I thought MC and Ony were launch content. |
| 20:08.14 | Dashkal | I remember MC coming out, and I didn't start until '05 |
| 20:08.27 | alestane | I remember attunement was added later. |
| 20:08.32 | cog|work | I started playing in jan 05 and MC was already out i thought |
| 20:08.38 | cog|work | the BWL patch was shortly thereafter |
| 20:08.44 | Dashkal | hmm... |
| 20:08.48 | Dashkal | memory fail then |
| 20:09.01 | Dashkal | I do know that UBRS preceeds MC. This being back before instance caps |
| 20:09.11 | Fisker | trololololol |
| 20:09.16 | DWSR | ^ |
| 20:09.18 | Lunessa | To be honest, it was a long time ago, I don't really know anyone who was 60 isn the first couple of weeks; Most guilds I knew hand trouble getting 10 people for Scholo. |
| 20:09.27 | zenzelezz | earliest patch notes I can find (1.02) seems to indicated MC was already in |
| 20:09.47 | Lunessa | I started playing in Nov 04. :) |
| 20:09.59 | Dashkal | No authenticator on me to check my account date |
| 20:10.01 | alestane | Within the first week, then. |
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| 20:10.50 | Fisker | yay |
| 20:10.53 | Fisker | i got a token! |
| 20:11.14 | zenzelezz | BWL was apparently in 1.(0)6 |
| 20:11.41 | Shirik | I should get real food more often |
| 20:11.53 | cog|work | MC had to be in at release... otherwise there wouldn't have been any >10-man raids, no? |
| 20:12.09 | Fisker | 1.6.0 |
| 20:12.14 | Fisker | they had onyxia |
| 20:12.20 | Fisker | but mc was there as well |
| 20:12.22 | Fisker | atleast in eu |
| 20:12.23 | cog|work | ah |
| 20:12.38 | zenzelezz | was there no patch 1.1? |
| 20:13.36 | cog|work | 1.1 was the live release iirc |
| 20:13.54 | Fisker | for eu atleast yeah |
| 20:14.02 | zenzelezz | that would make sense from the public patch numbers |
| 20:14.02 | alestane | They often reserve first patches, I notice. |
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| 20:14.21 | zenzelezz | I know Anarchy Online's release version was 11.0 |
| 20:14.28 | Fisker | emergency patches alestane |
| 20:14.39 | Fisker | dunno why though |
| 20:17.57 | cog|work | anyone getting a certificate error for gmail? |
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| 20:18.38 | zenzelezz | not as far as I can see |
| 20:18.48 | Fisker | cog|work is being attacked! |
| 20:18.54 | Fisker | or he left fiddler open |
| 20:19.18 | cog|work | it's giving me the certificate for www.google.com when i'm on mail.google.com |
| 20:21.10 | Fisker | sigh |
| 20:21.17 | Fisker | i just checked cog|work |
| 20:21.28 | Fisker | and in my mailbox was a mail from an online banking service |
| 20:21.43 | Fisker | turns out some idiot who i told a couple of years ago that it wasn't his e-mail still didn't get it |
| 20:23.11 | Shirik | is eating a Chocolate Trifle Pudding Cup |
| 20:23.19 | Fisker | what do you say Shirik |
| 20:23.24 | Shirik | Creamy chocolate pudding with oreo cookies and whipped topping over chocolate cake |
| 20:23.30 | Fisker | should i recover the password and withdraw the remaining $5000? |
| 20:23.42 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:24.12 | Fisker | read up |
| 20:24.20 | Fisker | Some guy keeps confusing his own e-mail with mine |
| 20:24.26 | Shirik | cog|work: Cert OK here |
| 20:24.32 | Fisker | I just logged on g-mail and saw i had mail from his online banking |
| 20:24.51 | batrick | thanks for saying hi shirik |
| 20:25.03 | Shirik | hi batrick |
| 20:25.24 | batrick | zzz |
| 20:25.26 | batrick | chess?! |
| 20:25.39 | Shirik | I have class in 20 minutes and I'm eating |
| 20:26.03 | OhGrimes | Is there no decent way to do WoW GUI XML design |
| 20:26.11 | OhGrimes | As in |
| 20:26.13 | Shirik | don't use XML |
| 20:26.24 | batrick | XML is evil |
| 20:26.39 | OhGrimes | I thought you had to use XML. |
| 20:26.43 | batrick | nope |
| 20:26.47 | batrick | you can do everything in Lua |
| 20:27.01 | batrick | Look at CreateFrame() |
| 20:28.41 | OhGrimes | I just wish I could do the actual GUI design visually, but apparently the tools to do that are rotten. |
| 20:28.55 | batrick | OhGrimes: For a beginner XML is anice to get familiar but eventually is just a crippling burden. |
| 20:29.29 | batrick | tools exist which generate the xml for you i think |
| 20:29.42 | batrick | but all the cool kids use Lua to make their GUIs programatically |
| 20:29.49 | OhGrimes | Ugh |
| 20:30.06 | batrick | and if you are careful you can make it so you can discard all the functions that make your GUI so they can be garbage collected |
| 20:30.29 | batrick | which means your addon will have a smaller memory footprint |
| 20:31.59 | OhGrimes | Well I'm not sure how I'll do desiging GUIs with code since that's like using an etch-a-sketch blind |
| 20:32.02 | OhGrimes | But I'll give it a shot |
| 20:34.15 | kneeki | OhGrimes: There are lots of "Hello World" examples that you can learn from :) |
| 20:34.51 | batrick | For starters (1) Make a Frame (2) call :Show() (3) :SetWidth (4) :SetHeight() (5) :SetBackdrop (6) SetPoint |
| 20:35.14 | batrick | after doing simple stuff like that it gets easier |
| 20:35.23 | batrick | to visualize (imo) |
| 20:36.30 | OhGrimes | Hm so in order to see what it looks like |
| 20:36.38 | OhGrimes | I have to load it in WoW every time? |
| 20:36.46 | kneeki | OhGrimes: Yeah, or /console reloadui |
| 20:38.02 | foxlit | "Rank: 13rd" |
| 20:38.05 | foxlit | gg, SC2 |
| 20:38.11 | cog|work | didn't they incorporate /reloadui into the game along with devtools? |
| 20:38.18 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 20:39.42 | kneeki | and /reload |
| 20:39.46 | kneeki | I use /reload =) |
| 20:39.58 | kneeki | foxlit: lol |
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| 20:45.06 | DWSR | OhGrimes: Just in case you didn't get it. |
| 20:45.16 | DWSR | XML IS DESCENDED FROM SATAN |
| 20:45.31 | kneeki | I concur... XML is lame. |
| 20:45.35 | DWSR | UES IT AND YOU WILL LIVE IN FIREY AGONY FOR ALL ETERNITY |
| 20:45.39 | DWSR | s/UES/USE/\ |
| 20:45.42 | DWSR | anyway |
| 20:46.23 | DWSR | Depending on what you're trying to do, lots of times there's very little to actually *do* when you create a new frame. |
| 20:47.00 | DWSR | Also, there are some libraries, such as AceGUI, AceConfig, etc. which can make things even more simple. |
| 20:51.45 | DWSR | s/more simple/simpler/ |
| 20:56.05 | OhGrimes | Is there a more detailed guide to creating frames other than this WOWWIKI entry |
| 20:57.10 | DWSR | Oh christ. |
| 20:57.14 | Lunessa | old - but still useful: http://home.blarg.net/~tyroney/wow/uitutorial/ |
| 20:57.16 | DWSR | WoWWiki HowTo's >.< |
| 21:01.25 | OhGrimes | I'm just trying to figure out the basics of it like... How I get a normal looking frame with borders |
| 21:01.28 | OhGrimes | and a background |
| 21:01.40 | OhGrimes | Instead of it being invisible unless I apply a big texture |
| 21:01.41 | foxlit | DWSR: which ones? |
| 21:03.11 | DWSR | ? |
| 21:03.18 | Fisker | hye foxlit |
| 21:03.20 | Fisker | hey* |
| 21:03.35 | cog|work | ~wowprogramming |
| 21:03.36 | purl | rumour has it, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 21:03.36 | cog|work | imo |
| 21:03.37 | alestane | Ultradefensive people who start swearing the moment someone questions them FTL. |
| 21:04.19 | foxlit | Just wondering what's worth oh christ'ing over :) |
| 21:04.55 | cog|work | i think it was in response to OhGrimes' line immediately preceding... |
| 21:07.04 | foxlit | cog|work: "... than this WOWWIKI entry"? |
| 21:08.19 | cog|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.49 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 21:10.53 | Fisker | what say you? |
| 21:11.19 | foxlit | Hm, so nothing wrong there. |
| 21:11.45 | DWSR | foxlit: Yes. |
| 21:11.59 | DWSR | I was referring to the quality of WoWWiki HowTo articles that I had read. |
| 21:12.06 | DWSR | And applying that to all WoWWiki articles. |
| 21:15.27 | foxlit | DWSR: any articles in particular? |
| 21:15.48 | foxlit | Tag-and-kill-with-fire policy is interested :) |
| 21:16.08 | DWSR | None that I remember. |
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| 21:16.15 | DWSR | well, I can't specifically remember any. |
| 21:16.36 | DWSR | But that's mostly because I haven't use WoWWiki for howto information for at least 2 years, and many of the articles may have been cleaned up or removed. |
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| 21:20.10 | foxlit | The more recent stuff is quite reasonable, really. |
| 21:20.39 | foxlit | Been a bit of an effort to clean things up; yet nobody is really interested in writing stuff. |
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| 21:57.52 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-feed.xml?r=Ravencrest&cn=Bowfisker <-lulzd |
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| 22:02.34 | KarlKFI|work | mmm the cosmos addons docs all got nuked from wowwiki.... fabulous |
| 22:03.06 | amro | KarlKFI|work: why were they removed? |
| 22:03.19 | KarlKFI|work | no idea. no one told me |
| 22:05.22 | Amarande | cosmos hasn't worked for several patches, no? |
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| 22:05.45 | Amarande | I find I use fewer addons nowadays anyway, not more |
| 22:05.50 | KarlKFI|work | cosmos was abandoned but many of the addons are still maintained outside of cosmos |
| 22:06.02 | Amarande | I used to use about 40 kajillion (well, or at least 40) addons |
| 22:06.23 | OhGrimes | Is it really a good idea to not use XML and simply do everything in LUA? |
| 22:06.38 | cog|work | it's personal preference, really |
| 22:07.08 | OhGrimes | The WoW book that was linked uses XML, so. |
| 22:07.25 | kneeki | OhGrimes: I only use Lua now adays... My life has gotten much better. |
| 22:07.50 | cog|work | OhGrimes: the book teaches both |
| 22:08.50 | cog|work | i prefer using xml and lua because it clearly separates design from functionality (not that you CAN'T do that with pure lua, i just like it better) |
| 22:09.26 | Amarande | And it is almost Easter ... the day we need to remember to consider /gkicking God. |
| 22:09.41 | Amarande | C'mon God ... you took THREE DAYS to give out a rez? What the hell were you DOING? What kind of raid healer ARE you?! |
| 22:09.56 | OhGrimes | I would have thought there would be more documentation on WoW UI Modding. There's a lot of references, and this channel is great, but it's a little fragmented. I guess the book is probably the best option, but I just don't think I can drop the 40 bucks on it right now :-/ |
| 22:10.00 | Amarande | 'course, I suppose maybe he expected Jesus to run back to the instance portal :) |
| 22:10.19 | OhGrimes | Not the channel being fragmented, but the wikis and stuff. |
| 22:10.32 | OhGrimes | This channel is great :-] |
| 22:10.39 | cog|work | OhGrimes: maybe you can find a used copy of the first edition? |
| 22:11.33 | OhGrimes | Maybe on the internet somewhere, yeah. I'm just surprised that there's not a ton of How-Tos on the net. |
| 22:11.38 | OhGrimes | Or if there is, I can't find em'. |
| 22:11.56 | cog|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTOs ? |
| 22:12.08 | OhGrimes | There's a few there. |
| 22:12.23 | OhGrimes | And they're pretty useful! |
| 22:12.49 | OhGrimes | But if I want to use the CreateFrame(), I can't find out how to actually add a boarder and make it look like a generic WoW Frame. |
| 22:13.02 | cog|work | that's because you don't use createframe for that |
| 22:13.15 | cog|work | once you have the frame you need to add things to it with various methods |
| 22:13.40 | OhGrimes | I can't find the various methods :-/ |
| 22:13.58 | cog|work | http://wowprogramming.com/docs |
| 22:14.29 | cog|work | API functions are global functions like "CreateFrame", "ReloadUI", etc. Widget API are all the methods you can call on frames, buttons, fontstrings, etc. |
| 22:16.56 | OhGrimes | I'm looking through the widget API right now. |
| 22:17.39 | cog|work | but yeah, looking through api docs is usually one of the worst ways to learn how you "should" do things... The book really is the best thing going in that regard |
| 22:17.40 | Lunessa | is bored enough at work to actually fill out the Census. |
| 22:18.34 | Thunder_Child | the sooner you do it, the faster they stop bugging people about it |
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| 22:18.54 | cog|work | and the less of our money they have to spend bugging people about it |
| 22:18.55 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 22:19.09 | cog|work | ohai |
| 22:19.31 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 22:19.32 | Fisker | i did it |
| 22:19.56 | Thunder_Child | fail troll is fail |
| 22:21.23 | Fisker | stop talking referring to yourself in third person :( |
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| 22:23.40 | industrial | haste: theres a <Haste> guild on GB :p |
| 22:25.20 | Fisker | old? |
| 22:26.08 | Fisker | btw hey industrial |
| 22:27.00 | Amarande | We won't stop wasting money until you mail it back! :P |
| 22:27.51 | industrial | O HI FISKER |
| 22:28.46 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: TC never refers to himself in the 3rd person |
| 22:29.01 | Lunessa | I don't know why it takes the census bureau 3 letters for this; one to tell me it's coming, the census form and one to tell me it was sent. |
| 22:30.42 | KarlKFI|work | fault tollerance |
| 22:31.28 | amro | Lunessa: to nudge people to fill it out |
| 22:31.46 | Shadowed | Lunessa so when you get the actual form, you think "thank god, no more messages" |
| 22:32.18 | KarlKFI|work | the first one was a packet header. the 2nd one was the message body. the 3rd one was the hash of the body. |
| 22:32.31 | industrial | "In general terms, Hit and Crit gems will have the highest return for investment. Shaman that are geared in Sunwell items will probably find that Agility or just AP gems are superior. Simulation is required to find the best fit for your gear." |
| 22:32.34 | cbreak | Lunessa: you're supposed to send ACK messages to each of them. The first letter was probably a SYN. The last a FIN |
| 22:32.37 | Lunessa | Shadowed: Probably. I was tempted to just not fill it in. |
| 22:32.43 | industrial | elitistjerks should include WOW VERSION in their wiki |
| 22:32.51 | industrial | I need hard enhancement shaman 3.3 facts! |
| 22:32.51 | Shadowed | But that's illegal! |
| 22:33.12 | cbreak | rawr? |
| 22:36.52 | Lunessa | enhancement shaman are hard. Fact. |
| 22:36.54 | Lunessa | Done. |
| 22:37.07 | Gnarfoz | procsprocsprocs |
| 22:37.24 | industrial | for example: |
| 22:37.31 | OhGrimes | Guys I am trying to make a very simple window with a border and a background in LUA. http://pastebin.com/pcRdbPQd |
| 22:37.45 | OhGrimes | I'm basically trying any API command I find to make it work, but I'm obviously doing things wrong. |
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| 22:38.16 | industrial | if my flame shock is still on the target for one second, my shock cooldown is over should I reapply FS and miss one FS tick or use ES and miss FS ticks on the target for 6 seconds? |
| 22:38.23 | Amarande | EJ bugs me sometimes |
| 22:38.34 | Amarande | are we -really- supposed to plug our characters through Rawr in order to gear them in WotLK? :S |
| 22:38.56 | industrial | I keep getting my shock cooldowns right in that time window and I dont know which is the better option |
| 22:39.07 | cbreak | only if you're min-maxing Amarande |
| 22:39.19 | cbreak | if you're pugging, you just take the one with the highest iLevel |
| 22:39.20 | Amarande | industrial: that's a toughie, but you shouldn't reapply FS, at any rate |
| 22:39.24 | cbreak | no matter if it fits your spec |
| 22:39.29 | cbreak | so you get a high gear score |
| 22:39.39 | Amarande | as a general rule, which I learned well because I mained a warlock for a long time |
| 22:39.47 | Amarande | you DO NOT WANT to refresh dots before they end |
| 22:40.00 | industrial | do not want. *scribbles down* |
| 22:40.02 | industrial | ;) |
| 22:40.12 | Amarande | however, if you use ES, you miss six seconds of FS |
| 22:40.16 | industrial | yes |
| 22:40.20 | Amarande | which means that niggling second is rather annoying to deal with |
| 22:40.26 | Amarande | maybe you should use less haste. :) |
| 22:40.55 | Amarande | because I'm not really sure what to say that isn't "pause for a second every six in order to sync up with the dot" |
| 22:41.04 | Amarande | which sounds ... extremely wasteful |
| 22:41.14 | industrial | I'm rather undergeared actually :P I'm trying to understand which gems I need right now if I were to regem fully (since its old gear and I didnt have any haste gems back then so I still dont now) |
| 22:41.29 | foxlit | Compute damage done by FS ticks in the duration of the ES cooldown, and the damage done by ES |
| 22:41.32 | foxlit | Problem solved. |
| 22:41.44 | industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=eu.grim-batol.kitoushi |
| 22:42.29 | industrial | why yes, that IS gear from ulduar AND ICC at the same time. |
| 22:42.29 | Amarande | or you could use lightning bolt, possibly modulated by the right amount of haste, in between FS's, though I'm not sure what the sweet spot is on haste to make that a continuous rotation |
| 22:42.35 | Amarande | and I forget if you're enh or ele |
| 22:42.41 | industrial | enh |
| 22:43.06 | Amarande | bluh |
| 22:43.09 | Amarande | see, this is why my DPS figures suck |
| 22:43.31 | Amarande | because I do the obviously logical thing, rather than going into theorycrafting rotations and such, and thus probably lose significant DPS over what I probably could do with the same gear :S |
| 22:44.41 | industrial | I'm not allowed to raid in this state so I need to fix my gear asap :P (I'm lazy on keeping it up mostly due to being a broke bum in wow xD) |
| 22:45.43 | Lunessa | industrial: I'd miss the dot ticks for Earth Shock. *shrug* |
| 22:48.45 | WobWork | hang a sec |
| 22:48.57 | WobWork | there's one class where you -do- want to reapply dots before they fall off |
| 22:48.59 | WobWork | which one is that? |
| 22:49.10 | kd3 | locks? |
| 22:49.28 | WobWork | hm, hunters I guess too |
| 22:49.58 | Amarande | Wob: actually that's only when there are very specific reasons to do that |
| 22:50.08 | industrial | MM is like the laziest spec ever, you only have to mash your shots and it already refreshes the dot :P |
| 22:50.17 | Amarande | for instance, with aff locks you keep reapplying corruption by using Haunt, which means you only ever have to cast corruption *once* |
| 22:50.32 | Amarande | otoh, you do NOT want to refresh, say, Immo or UA before they fall off |
| 22:50.37 | Amarande | because then you lose damage per cast |
| 22:50.41 | WobWork | yeah, dot refreshing I guess |
| 22:50.47 | Amarande | especially so with UA, where its damage is heavily backloaded |
| 22:51.09 | WobWork | well backloaded dots, are obvious that you want to tick to the end |
| 22:51.32 | WobWork | it's more the tricky ones, where you might want to maintain an initial frontloaded spellpower boost or somesuch |
| 22:51.47 | WobWork | I think it's that way for hunters and serpent shot |
| 22:52.11 | Amarande | I thought they made it so AP/SP was reset when dots were reset by other abilities? |
| 22:52.19 | WobWork | if you can boost the initial spellpower for an MM serpent sting, you want to reapply to maintain that level |
| 22:52.25 | WobWork | dunno =) |
| 22:52.41 | WobWork | s'why I'm asking =) |
| 22:52.41 | Dagmar | Far as I know the SP on hunter dots stays as it was when you fired the shot |
| 22:52.45 | Amarande | like if, say, you reapply your serpent sting in viper ... bad |
| 22:52.55 | Amarande | even if you first applied it in hawk |
| 22:52.56 | WobWork | oh yeah =\ |
| 22:53.19 | Dagmar | Doesn't matter much since people will generally be going into Viper for a bit over 15s |
| 22:53.22 | Amarande | although, I do kinda like viper for soloing sometimes, mainly due to the twin benefits of never running out of mana and never pulling aggro off of the pet |
| 22:53.26 | industrial | but hunter shot damage is all physical damage (cept arcane, but MM rarely uses it these days with all the ArP) |
| 22:53.33 | Dagmar | You can have 60% of the usual damage, or you can just let it die off and have NO damage |
| 22:53.43 | Amarande | if you have to fight a bunch of mobs in a row in hawk, on the other hand, you tend to go oom before the end |
| 22:53.55 | Amarande | and keep having issues with pulling agg off the pet, especially if you're MM |
| 22:54.02 | Dagmar | Swithcing back and forth costs you a GCD anyway, so you basically get to ignore it |
| 22:54.26 | Dagmar | Amarande: If you're fighting mobs with a mana bar, you just replace aimed/multi with viper sting |
| 22:54.28 | industrial | I think leveling as BM is still the way to go, at 80 mobs just die before they reach you generally |
| 22:54.30 | Dagmar | Solves the problem nicely |
| 22:54.32 | industrial | (as MM) |
| 22:55.01 | Dagmar | Frankly, that's the only way I can get through half the ICC 5-mans without running OOM repeatedly for not using Aspect of the Viper |
| 22:55.09 | Dagmar | Drain that freakin mana |
| 22:55.34 | alestane | Just two-manned most of scholo with a pally, both 60. |
| 22:55.49 | industrial | heh ^^ |
| 22:56.18 | Dagmar | As MM, as BM, as pretty much any spec |
| 22:57.31 | Dagmar | industrial: Leveling as BM is hte way to go if for no other reason than that beefy pet means you can get away and have zero downtime should something go really, really wrwong |
| 22:57.42 | Dagmar | Post 40, you'd be nuts to not use a tenacity pet for it |
| 22:58.52 | WobWork | industrial: SV at 80 means they die before they get within 10 ft |
| 22:59.09 | Dagmar | I'll stick with killing 8 mobs at once and not worrying about where they die. |
| 22:59.27 | WobWork | I prefer the challenge =) |
| 22:59.36 | Dagmar | Solo that dragon in Icecrown then |
| 22:59.37 | WobWork | I've done BM levelling, and yeah, it's mindless |
| 23:00.21 | Dagmar | It's a little dodgy as BM so I imagine it's significantly dodgier for the other two specs |
| 23:01.20 | Lunessa | Super-Heated Science! http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Scientist-Ask-Jump.jpg |
| 23:02.46 | DWSR | Fucking washing machine broke half way through the soak cycle. |
| 23:02.53 | DWSR | So all my clothes are now sopping wet *and* soapy. |
| 23:02.59 | DWSR | FML |
| 23:03.21 | WobWork | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kxp65qztGA1qzzajro1_400.gif |
| 23:03.26 | Dagmar | dwsr: Please to be keeping the canned nonsense on ur blogz |
| 23:03.39 | DWSR | Dagmar: How's that nonsense? |
| 23:03.49 | Dagmar | I've been getting peppered by that in another channel from a guy who we may just have to put out of his misery |
| 23:04.02 | Dagmar | DWSR: What's FML mean then? |
| 23:04.07 | DWSR | Dagmar: Fuck My Life? |
| 23:04.26 | cbreak | how much? |
| 23:04.42 | Fisker | i'd fuck your life for free DWSR |
| 23:04.48 | DWSR | sorry cbreak |
| 23:04.51 | DWSR | I has date with Fisker. |
| 23:05.02 | DWSR | Fisker: Deal, but you have to buy it a nice dinner first. |
| 23:05.02 | WobWork | that'll do it |
| 23:05.03 | Fisker | i wish |
| 23:05.12 | DWSR | Me too. :( |
| 23:05.18 | DWSR | Anyway, yeah. |
| 23:05.32 | DWSR | The washing machine is a front-load machine, and the drum's come off of the mounts on the outer housing. |
| 23:05.59 | DWSR | So the machine is TFU atm. |
| 23:06.11 | DWSR | And I just had to rinse and dry all of my clothes in my tub. |
| 23:06.23 | DWSR | Lemme tell you, soaked clothes, especially towels, are FUCKING HEAVY. |
| 23:06.26 | Dagmar | Oh so you typed that? |
| 23:06.37 | Dagmar | I assumed it was pasted from that damn website |
| 23:06.43 | DWSR | No. |
| 23:06.50 | DWSR | This akshully just happened. |
| 23:07.27 | Gnarfoz | QuakeNet is handing out achievements today. ;D |
| 23:07.46 | DWSR | For what? |
| 23:09.52 | Mikk | Q: (notice) ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: [20] ISDN |
| 23:09.52 | Mikk | Q: (notice) ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: [30] Ferris Bueller |
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| 23:11.43 | jnwhiteh | Happy Birthday sioraiocht!! |
| 23:11.54 | sioraiocht | lol thanks, jnwhiteh |
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| 23:16.13 | WobWork | Your birthday is on April 1st, sioraiocht? =) |
| 23:16.55 | Amarande | excuse me while I put my head through a wall |
| 23:17.00 | cbreak | Oh, great... blizzard canceled Diablo III... |
| 23:17.14 | Amarande | this crap I'm trying to figure out severely dampens my desire to sell books once I've written them |
| 23:17.36 | WobWork | Amarande: welcome to the big bad world of publishing? |
| 23:17.46 | Amarande | Wob: the big bad world of license agreements, in particular :| |
| 23:18.00 | Amarande | seriously, I think I'd understand some of these licenses better if they were written in Lua |
| 23:18.21 | cbreak | Amarande: you can upload them to Project Gutenberg |
| 23:18.24 | sioraiocht | WobWork: yep |
| 23:19.29 | WobWork | sioraiocht: it must make opening presents before noon... exciting =P |
| 23:19.40 | sioraiocht | y? |
| 23:20.00 | WobWork | that's technically the cutoff point for april fools jokes |
| 23:25.36 | Thunder_Child | what? |
| 23:25.39 | Thunder_Child | there are no rules |
| 23:27.49 | DWSR | ^ |
| 23:27.58 | DWSR | As long as it's April 1st somewhere, it's fair game. |
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| 23:29.51 | Amarande | ahh, that was just what the doctor ordered |
| 23:30.03 | Amarande | go play with the cat for a bit. nothing like that to take the edge off of stressing :) |
| 23:30.15 | WobWork | Traditionally, in some countries, such as the UK, Australia, and South Africa the jokes only last until noon, and someone who plays a trick after noon is called an "April Fool". |
| 23:30.35 | WobWork | It's much more amusing to do that to someone who doesn't work fast enough |
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| 23:39.27 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, legalese sucks |
| 23:39.28 | tem | this is mean |
| 23:39.47 | tem | For the CFG above, remove all useless variables and productions. |
| 23:39.57 | tem | but, there are no useless variables and productions. |
| 23:40.05 | tem | Way to make me doubt myself asshole. |
| 23:40.36 | tem | That kind of shit just adds more anxiety to a test that's already stressfull enough. |
| 23:41.14 | tem | So this test is 45% of the grade? Okay I'm stressed now. Oh, you're going to throw in trick questions to make it worse? Well that's just mean. |
| 23:41.26 | tem | Also, I'm a basket case now |
| 23:41.27 | Amarande | why is legalese used, anyway? |
| 23:41.36 | Amarande | I mean, what's the worst that could happen if they wrote legal stuff in plain English? :S |
| 23:41.53 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, same reason we use programming languages instead of trying to describe stuff in english |
| 23:42.04 | ZorbaTHut | to get rid of ambiguity and lean on established precendent. |
| 23:42.11 | tem | ZorbaTHut, because only a machine is meant to read it? |
| 23:42.19 | ZorbaTHut | tem, in some sense, yes - the legal machine |
| 23:42.27 | tem | I hate you |
| 23:42.42 | tem | why can't you let the joke sit |
| 23:42.44 | tem | WHY? |
| 23:43.07 | ZorbaTHut | because I felt like perverting your joke into being unintentionally correct was far funnier :D |
| 23:43.55 | ZorbaTHut | orders a pizza with garlic and garlic |
| 23:44.28 | amro | ZorbaTHut: does your game engine compile on 64bit? |
| 23:44.41 | ZorbaTHut | amro, yes, it builds 32-bit binaries quite happily on 64-bit machines |
| 23:44.47 | ZorbaTHut | that's what you meant right |
| 23:44.51 | amro | how about 64 bit binaries? |
| 23:45.05 | ZorbaTHut | no, I currently rely on LuaJIT which is 32-bit only (okay the latest beta isn't, but) |
| 23:45.12 | ZorbaTHut | I also don't see much reason to bother with 64-bit binaries for my work |
| 23:45.16 | amro | that's what I was going to ask about |
| 23:45.22 | amro | if luajit 64bit was stable |
| 23:45.33 | ZorbaTHut | I'm nowhere near the RAM limit and CPU is also rarely a bottleneck |
| 23:45.55 | ZorbaTHut | AFAIK, luajit and mingw are the only things keeping me from doing a 64-bit build - I'm not sure mingw supports 64-bit building yet. |
| 23:46.23 | ZorbaTHut | On OSX I actually have to specify 32-bit only so it doesn't freak out Luajit, so presumably on OSX it's just Luajit preventing a 64-bit build. |
| 23:46.52 | ZorbaTHut | That said, even if/when those are all fixed, I plan to stay 32-bit-only for the foreseeable future. |
| 23:47.13 | amro | it's mostly a convenience, getting 32bit libs is a PITA |
| 23:47.46 | ZorbaTHut | most of the libs I'm including are being locally built and statically linked in at this point, so that isn't really a problem |
| 23:48.02 | ZorbaTHut | yes my build script builds, like, six different libraries |
| 23:50.26 | OhGrimes | I'm trying to make a basic frame with a border and background. http://pastebin.com/pcRdbPQd Tried a bunch if API commands but I can't get one to appear |
| 23:51.24 | industrial | OhGrimes: see http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetBackdrop |
| 23:53.20 | amro | ZorbaTHut: what do you use for fonts? |
| 23:53.37 | OhGrimes | Do I have to use a texture for the background? I can't set a color with opacity? |
| 23:54.14 | ZorbaTHut | amro, in terms of "where do you get fonts" or "how do you do rendering"? |
| 23:54.21 | amro | renderin |
| 23:54.22 | cbreak | textures can be initialized with a solid color |
| 23:54.45 | ZorbaTHut | currently it's libfreetype to generate the glyphs, then I assemble them by hand (obviously an abstraction layer ;) ) into text |
| 23:55.12 | ZorbaTHut | this may be changing in a version or two, as a friend of mine has a totally badass beautiful rescaling font shader that I want to try out |
| 23:55.44 | ZorbaTHut | at that point it'll be an offline baking process with libfreetype to generate a texture, then I'll just package the texture and positional data instead |
| 23:56.02 | amro | ah |
| 23:56.23 | amro | but then you'd be limiting printable characters |
| 23:57.24 | ZorbaTHut | well, technically, there are only so many characters anyway. |
| 23:57.32 | ZorbaTHut | I'm reasonably fine with limiting myself to the 128 low-ascii characters. |
| 23:58.36 | amro | but no â! |
| 23:59.27 | ZorbaTHut | well in my current font that comes across as a box, so, yes :) |
