| 00:00.09 | Ackis | Torhal: you want to handle it or are you too busy playing WoW? |
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| 00:02.30 | Ackis | Torhal!!!! |
| 00:04.37 | Jamash | Tetsuo!!!! |
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| 00:06.23 | Ackis | Fisker should play with me |
| 00:10.22 | Fisker | no Ackis |
| 00:10.26 | Fisker | you should play with me |
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| 00:22.25 | Shirik | no Fisker you should play with me |
| 00:30.30 | Torhal | Ackis: I wasn't playing WoW - I was continuing to have dirty code time with ARL. |
| 00:30.55 | Gelfling | man i miss my hardware cursor =( |
| 00:33.23 | Antiarc | http://www.viddler.com/explore/Joystiq/videos/3069/ |
| 00:36.11 | Ackis | hah Fisker I just got my achievement! :D |
| 00:36.26 | batrick | Shirik: are you rejoicing over ubuntu's change to proper SI prefixes? |
| 00:36.35 | Shirik | I hate ubuntu |
| 00:36.39 | Shirik | so |
| 00:36.47 | batrick | wow |
| 00:37.11 | Gelfling | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLd22ha_-VU |
| 00:37.17 | Gelfling | better than your vid =P |
| 00:40.51 | Cide | why do you hate ubuntu Shirik? |
| 00:41.24 | Shirik | because, it's overrated and promotes ignorance of the hardware |
| 00:41.31 | Shirik | I want something that gives me power |
| 00:41.34 | Shirik | and doesn't hide me from the computer |
| 00:41.45 | Corrodias | you're right. it's pointless. |
| 00:41.45 | Cide | ah |
| 00:41.45 | Shirik | Ubuntu even tries to hide from you that there is a 'root' account |
| 00:41.46 | Cide | I see |
| 00:41.47 | foxlit | Like a 220V socket |
| 00:41.49 | Corrodias | if people want that, they should use Windows |
| 00:41.58 | Cide | I recommend windows for you, Shirik |
| 00:42.01 | Shirik | ... |
| 00:42.03 | zenzelezz | so you want Slackware |
| 00:42.09 | Shirik | I like Gentoo |
| 00:42.12 | Corrodias | if they want that other stuff, that's what unix/linux is for. |
| 00:42.21 | Shirik | but I've considered using slackware |
| 00:42.42 | Cide | http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091228011513/uncyclopedia/images/f/ff/Linux-gentoo.jpg |
| 00:42.47 | Cide | @ Shirik |
| 00:42.56 | Shirik | rofl |
| 00:42.57 | Cide | nsfw I guess |
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| 00:54.46 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: how does it try to hide the root account? |
| 00:55.12 | airtonix | with soil? |
| 00:55.38 | Shirik | it never asks you for a root password, doesn't allow you to log in as root without coercing |
| 00:55.40 | Shirik | etc. |
| 00:57.16 | Arrowmaster | thats not trying to hide it, my debian systems are setup the same way |
| 00:58.04 | Shirik | bad! |
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| 00:58.18 | Arrowmaster | although they asked if i wanted to set a password for the root account or not and if i didnt created a user account and setup sudo for me |
| 00:58.35 | Shirik | ok that's better |
| 00:58.40 | Arrowmaster | and that only hows using expert install, otherwise it just asks you to setup a password on the root account |
| 00:58.43 | Shirik | ubuntu doesn't even ask |
| 00:58.59 | Arrowmaster | but no password on the root account is more secure |
| 00:59.27 | Shirik | not the point! |
| 00:59.36 | Arrowmaster | unless you do something stupid like setup sudo with NOPASS |
| 00:59.55 | zenzelezz | I set up sudo with NONE SHALL PASS! |
| 01:00.12 | airtonix | lulz |
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| 01:00.19 | airtonix | what is the point shirik? |
| 01:00.38 | Shirik | that ubuntu is evil |
| 01:00.43 | Arrowmaster | oh it is |
| 01:00.43 | airtonix | elucidate |
| 01:00.46 | Arrowmaster | i fully agree |
| 01:00.59 | airtonix | i wish to absorb your brain |
| 01:01.24 | Shirik | ubuntu makes people that go "I USE LINUX LOLOLOL" when they don't have a clue |
| 01:01.30 | airtonix | true |
| 01:01.39 | airtonix | i am a shining example of that |
| 01:01.46 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:02.01 | foxlit | Have as much clue as the people who go "I USE WINDOWS LOLOLOL" |
| 01:02.05 | Corrodias | it tries to make linux like windows, and in doing so, fails both people who want linux and people who want windows |
| 01:02.20 | Arrowmaster | the decision to make everything show base10 for file size by default is completely stupid though |
| 01:02.21 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 01:02.28 | Dagmar | I disagree Corrodias |
| 01:02.32 | Shirik | foxlit, there's a difference, people don't respect others for using Windows |
| 01:02.36 | Dagmar | You missed the distributions that were trying to do that |
| 01:02.39 | Corrodias | base10 for file size? instead of, what, 1024? |
| 01:02.42 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:02.43 | Dagmar | They are all dead now, for good reason |
| 01:02.56 | Arrowmaster | id love to see how they 'fix' all the dvd burning software to show that a dvd+-r is 4.7GB |
| 01:03.06 | airtonix | Corrodias, yeah if you look closely... its trying to copy macosx interface and ideaology. |
| 01:03.13 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 01:03.15 | Dagmar | Corrodias: Yes, for years now the Linux people have pretty much given the middle finger to the people claiming that a megabyte is 1,000 bytes because it's a useless number |
| 01:03.18 | Corrodias | and the mac is that thing nobody likes! |
| 01:03.18 | Arrowmaster | not interesting, stupid |
| 01:03.30 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Add a patch into X, any text displayed that says 4.7 gets altered silently |
| 01:03.40 | Arrowmaster | ha |
| 01:03.56 | Corrodias | Dagmar: good for them. it's too late to change the definition of something so important, and useless. |
| 01:04.03 | Corrodias | *too late and useless |
| 01:04.04 | Dagmar | They're going to probably patch glib to have a function to display in 1,000's or 0x0000's depending on user preference |
| 01:04.08 | Shirik | 47 / 10 = 4.8128 |
| 01:04.14 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.20 | Dagmar | Corrodias: Oh it got "changed" years ago even on Wikipedia |
| 01:04.33 | Dagmar | Everyone was just too busy coding to tell the math obsessives to fuck off |
| 01:04.54 | Corrodias | that's right, now they tell us we're supposed to use capitals when abbreviating, or say MiB |
| 01:04.58 | Corrodias | fuck 'em |
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| 01:05.20 | airtonix | so only the kernels in ubuntu do this ? |
| 01:05.27 | Arrowmaster | seriously though didnt i link this like right after it was posted? before the ubuntu news started getting attention? http://overbenny.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/how-to-get-units-consistent-across-all-applications/ |
| 01:05.29 | Dagmar | Kernels? |
| 01:05.32 | Dagmar | It's not a kernelspace issue |
| 01:05.34 | foxlit | /kernels/ don't do a thing |
| 01:05.48 | airtonix | ok..."things that make you rage" |
| 01:05.49 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: You did link it |
| 01:05.56 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: It's how I know about the plan to patch glib |
| 01:06.10 | Arrowmaster | yeah seems its only from yesterday but i thought it was a day or two before that |
| 01:06.32 | Dagmar | I still think if they pushed just a bit more they could get the math obsessives to admit that since computer info is stored in base-2 that it makes no sense to measure SI units in base-10 |
| 01:06.43 | Dagmar | s/measure/deliniate/; |
| 01:06.58 | Cide | <Dagmar> Corrodias: Yes, for years now the Linux people have pretty much given the middle finger to the people claiming that a megabyte is 1,000 bytes because it's a useless number |
| 01:07.00 | Cide | fun stuff Dagmar |
| 01:07.05 | Cide | and here I thought mega was a million |
| 01:07.11 | Cide | :> |
| 01:07.20 | Dagmar | Cide: I been napping, and you know what I meant anyway |
| 01:07.22 | foxlit | Dagmar: That is kind of silly |
| 01:07.24 | Corrodias | flops down in the middle of the channel |
| 01:07.26 | Cide | indeed! |
| 01:07.29 | Corrodias | "mega" :D |
| 01:07.44 | Corrodias | *rage ensues* |
| 01:07.47 | Arrowmaster | harddrives are made of sectors, sectors are 512 bytes or 4096 bytes, using base10 to measure file size IS JUST FUCKING WRONG! |
| 01:07.49 | zenzelezz | mega ain't what it used to be |
| 01:07.54 | foxlit | Why is it that bytes are not countable in base 10 again? |
| 01:08.02 | airtonix | Dagmar, since i am but a yokel simpleton dancing on the roof of my house, are you for or against an extra glib library? |
| 01:08.04 | Dagmar | Any efficient storage of data on a computer is going to necessarily involve units in multiples of 1024 or 512, period |
| 01:08.07 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: read what i just said |
| 01:08.09 | Corrodias | foxlit: because somebody decided to say kilobyte when it wasn't actually 1000 |
| 01:08.16 | Dagmar | ...so if you group for SI along base-10 lines you ALWAYS end up with a goddamn fraction |
| 01:08.20 | Jamash | it's marketing |
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| 01:08.28 | Dagmar | Jamash++ |
| 01:08.29 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: so? |
| 01:08.30 | Cide | Corrodias: hmm? |
| 01:08.53 | Dagmar | SI is suppose to simplify things, but in this case by using base-10 it does the opposite |
| 01:08.55 | Jamash | you get more gigs if you measure the size of the HDDs you're manufacturing in decimal |
| 01:08.56 | Corrodias | we named the kilobyte badly, using a term that wasn't fully appropriate |
| 01:09.07 | Dagmar | Jamash: IIRC thta change happend in '97 |
| 01:09.16 | Jamash | therefore HDD manufacturers use decimal |
| 01:09.40 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: does it make more sense for your filesystem to use up 4.096KB for a few byte file or 4KiB? |
| 01:09.41 | Dagmar | I cant' remember if it was Western Digital or Seagate that first said "Oh ho! Your disks are only 528Mb but *ours* are 540Mb" |
| 01:10.14 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: they use binary for sector sizes though |
| 01:10.23 | Arrowmaster | its completely a marketing problem |
| 01:10.29 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: I don't particularly care for that question. It's welcome to tell me it's using 4.096 KB or 4 KiB |
| 01:10.38 | Arrowmaster | this is why we should kill anybody that works in marketing |
| 01:10.43 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Agreed |
| 01:10.44 | airtonix | hear hear |
| 01:10.48 | zenzelezz | they ensured people would never accept the KiB-family units when they chose to use names that sound like they're taken from children's books |
| 01:10.56 | foxlit | Quick, how many 4 KiB files can I store on a 4.7 GiB disc? |
| 01:11.02 | Jamash | the problem as I see it is operating systems that display a decimal number of binary units |
| 01:11.04 | Dagmar | That was the work of the math geeks, coming up with chibi-bytes |
| 01:11.05 | Corrodias | foxlit: a lot |
| 01:11.22 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: 4.7GiB discs dont exist |
| 01:11.31 | foxlit | Pick a disc size that does |
| 01:11.41 | Corrodias | foxlit: quick, how many GiB of bytes of memory can you address with a 1KiB register? |
| 01:11.53 | Arrowmaster | 4.378GiB |
| 01:12.02 | Dagmar | Corrodias: Perfect example |
| 01:12.07 | Jamash | a 1 KiB register? |
| 01:12.11 | foxlit | What's a 1 KiB register? |
| 01:12.20 | Corrodias | a register with one thousand bytes. jesus. |
| 01:12.21 | Jamash | a 1024-bit register? |
| 01:12.22 | Dagmar | foxlit: It'll be in the P8. Dont worry abotu it |
| 01:12.30 | Cide | Corrodias: fail |
| 01:12.34 | Cide | 1024 |
| 01:12.38 | Corrodias | like i care about their new acronyms |
| 01:12.42 | Dagmar | F**k. I need to find something that can read Corel Draw formatr |
| 01:12.49 | Jamash | he also fails for using bytes instead of bits |
| 01:12.50 | Corrodias | the point is, you had to ask |
| 01:12.56 | Dagmar | I gues I'll go download the trial corel and use that. |
| 01:13.05 | Arrowmaster | seriously everybody already knows the difference between KB and KiB, the issue is just the default |
| 01:13.36 | Dagmar | Am I still in need of caffiene or does Corrodias' answer *not* involve an integer number |
| 01:13.37 | Jamash | memory should use binary, disk should use decimal, end of story |
| 01:13.46 | Corrodias | but disk is memory... |
| 01:13.50 | Jamash | if anyone mentions ramdisks I will kill them with a pitchfork |
| 01:13.52 | Dagmar | Jamash: Disk sectors are in groups of 512 bytes, so no. |
| 01:13.53 | airtonix | Jamash, aha! |
| 01:13.54 | Arrowmaster | actually KB isnt obvious which its in, but KiB is fucking completely obvious its 1024 |
| 01:14.15 | Pneumatus | Dagmar: corel draw viewer |
| 01:14.28 | Dagmar | Pneumatus: I dont' need to view it, I actually need to recover it |
| 01:14.41 | Dagmar | *I* am the guy who made the original Hacker Inside logo, back in '97 |
| 01:14.49 | Pneumatus | trial version it is then |
| 01:14.52 | Jamash | it doesn't matter that disks use 512B sectors, I care how many goddamn bytes are in my file |
| 01:14.54 | Arrowmaster | decimal is only used when referring to bits, bytes are always in binary |
| 01:14.55 | Dagmar | It is as perfect as only an obssessive-compulsive can make it |
| 01:15.14 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: wat? |
| 01:15.21 | foxlit | "Disk sectors are in groups of 512 bytes" << I think that point goes away once you get to larger files |
| 01:15.32 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: bits = base10, bytes = base2 |
| 01:15.38 | Dagmar | I originally had it as EPS (vector) but for some reason thought I might not be able to open it in the future so apparently I made a lot of backups of the .CDR file, which is what I finally just dug up |
| 01:15.54 | Corrodias | nah, i recommend base 8 for bits |
| 01:16.00 | Dagmar | Gonna get it back into SVG so we can make giant-ass banners |
| 01:16.01 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: wat??? |
| 01:16.16 | Dagmar | ...and maybe some gobo lenses. |
| 01:16.23 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: stop fucking trolling |
| 01:16.36 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: I'm not trolling I'm totally confused by what you're saying |
| 01:16.38 | airtonix | Dagmar, how are you doing that? i recently obtained a collection of vector stamps in eps format |
| 01:17.10 | foxlit | A 45.0117 MiB file or a 47.187 MB file? Who cares? |
| 01:17.11 | Dagmar | airtonix: Being the types of people the LaTeX and EPS users were, Linux utililties still read EPS fine |
| 01:17.20 | Jamash | ok well it's dinner time |
| 01:17.23 | Jamash | ciao |
| 01:17.27 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: measuring in bits like 1 gigabit ethernet is 1,000,000,000 bits |
| 01:17.43 | Dagmar | airtonix: You know how, despite our best efforts, Emacs is STILL getting patches |
| 01:17.57 | airtonix | Dagmar, sorry you've lost me. |
| 01:18.05 | airtonix | :( |
| 01:18.18 | airtonix | <dueling banjos> |
| 01:18.27 | Dagmar | airtonix: Perhaps I misunderstood "how are you doing that?" |
| 01:18.30 | Torhal | Dagmar: I use Emacs. :D |
| 01:18.42 | Dagmar | Torhal: I weep for you. heh |
| 01:18.43 | airtonix | Dagmar, you use emacs to convert eps to svg ? |
| 01:18.46 | Arrowmaster | measuring in bytes like a 1 gigabyte (GiB, i fucking refuse to use their god damn retarded non SI names) is 1,073,741,824 bytes |
| 01:18.48 | Torhal | Dagmar: I like my OS |
| 01:18.50 | Torhal | cackles. |
| 01:18.55 | Dagmar | airtonix: Emacs would probably be able to do it if I installed it |
| 01:19.08 | Dagmar | airtonix: However there EPS stuff all throughout the printing utilities |
| 01:19.17 | Dagmar | s/there/there's/; |
| 01:19.36 | Dagmar | Inkscape can even read EPS I'm pretty sure |
| 01:19.55 | airtonix | Dagmar, ah i'd like to be able to have mine in svg format so i can use certain parts of the eps in some vector art i make |
| 01:20.00 | Arrowmaster | if emacs had a better graphical interface with tabs i would so use it |
| 01:20.11 | airtonix | Dagmar, ok inkscape. |
| 01:20.27 | Dagmar | airtonix: Yeah, Inkscape I'm fairly sure will be abel to read it. Otherwise there's like eps2ps utilities and so foth |
| 01:20.32 | Dagmar | s/foth/forth/; |
| 01:21.03 | airtonix | I'm surprised inkscape doesn't use gpu to do rendering. |
| 01:21.04 | Pneumatus | i'd use emacs if it actually had C-x M-c M-butterfly |
| 01:21.24 | Dagmar | airtonix: That would kinda make it hell to be cross-platform |
| 01:22.08 | Dagmar | ...in more than one way |
| 01:22.10 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Xemacs has tabs |
| 01:22.24 | Dagmar | Torhal: Doesn't that use *forms* widgets? |
| 01:22.26 | airtonix | Dagmar, does nvidias cuda make a difference there ? |
| 01:22.37 | Torhal | Dagmar: No clue. I use regular Emacs |
| 01:22.42 | Dagmar | airtonix: Being that it would not be available if you had an ATI card? |
| 01:22.58 | airtonix | Dagmar, haha i dont care about ati users |
| 01:23.00 | Dagmar | airtonix: Either way, I've never even seen an inkscape file that didnt' render in eyeblinks |
| 01:23.24 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: normal emacs has tabs too |
| 01:23.38 | Torhal | Hmm. Must not have them turned on then |
| 01:23.39 | Gintaro | emacs just lacks a good text editor ... |
| 01:23.42 | Arrowmaster | i just dont like the way they are handled |
| 01:23.57 | airtonix | Dagmar, yes inkscape runs really fast on my desktop machine , but my netbook really struggles : atom280 1.6ghz 3g ddr2 ram and an nvidia ion gfx card. |
| 01:24.39 | airtonix | Dagmar, anything more than say 10 objects and i can see the scan line re-painting operation |
| 01:24.42 | Dagmar | That's weird because it runs fine on my Vaio |
| 01:25.07 | airtonix | i'm pretty sure i have the 195 binary drivers too |
| 01:25.19 | airtonix | but then that doesnt matter in inkscapes case |
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| 01:25.55 | Kraps | evening |
| 01:28.34 | Dagmar | ooh! |
| 01:28.37 | Dagmar | Airtonix: http://sourceforge.net/projects/uniconvertor/ |
| 01:30.52 | airtonix | Dagmar, you are using this yourself? i have something in the repos called : python-uniconvertor |
| 01:31.04 | Dagmar | I'm going to later tonight |
| 01:31.29 | Dagmar | Kinda hoping I can just find it in the ubuntu repos so I can do it on the toy os |
| 01:31.49 | airtonix | Dagmar, i think that might be the same thing |
| 01:32.35 | Dagmar | WHat you found sounds like python bindings for it |
| 01:32.40 | airtonix | except python-uniconvertor doesnt allow for eps or ps input. |
| 01:33.06 | Dagmar | Probably because they're not pure vector. EPS/PS can and will embed bitmaps |
| 01:33.33 | Dagmar | Install Ghostscripe and Inkscape should then be able to read EPS |
| 01:33.38 | Dagmar | er Ghostscript |
| 01:33.41 | airtonix | http://paste.ubuntu.com/403020/ |
| 01:34.06 | airtonix | results of a : apt-cache search uniconver |
| 01:34.31 | Arrowmaster | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=uniconver |
| 01:34.38 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: ubuntu using scum |
| 01:34.44 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 01:35.38 | airtonix | yes master |
| 01:36.02 | airtonix | reminds me of the riot scene in akira |
| 01:36.09 | Dagmar | I guess the thing is written in python. Thanks Debian for obfuscating names |
| 01:37.27 | Arrowmaster | http://sk1project.org/modules.php?name=Products&product=uniconvertor |
| 01:37.33 | Arrowmaster | thats what the debian package is of |
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| 01:39.30 | airtonix | Dagmar, inkscape seems to handle most vector formats when you have ghostscript installed then. |
| 01:44.54 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/23425527836-need-on-orbs-vs-need-on-battered-hilt.html |
| 01:47.06 | Corrodias | mean, hilarious, 5-star post. |
| 01:50.19 | Cide | Shirik, is it time yet? |
| 01:50.29 | Kraps | hes trolling really hard http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/24038453936-i-love.html |
| 01:53.05 | Kraps | http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/lich-king-25-heroic-world-first-kill-by-paragon/msg2386394/#msg2386394 |
| 01:53.15 | Jerub | i don't understand why people don't understand, 'just need the fucking orb' |
| 01:53.40 | foxlit | Jerub: my need button is disabled :( |
| 01:53.47 | Jerub | foxlit: oh, sorry, 3.3.3 is out |
| 01:53.50 | Jerub | haven't played much this week |
| 01:54.16 | Jerub | but back in 3.3.2 you just need is as soon as the dialog comes up so everyone knows they're needing |
| 01:54.22 | Jerub | otherwise you're just inviting ninjas |
| 01:54.35 | foxlit | It's interesting that their final fix was nothing like what they've said it would be. |
| 01:55.07 | Jerub | "please don't ninja me, i'm rolling greed and i believe everyone else who is a nice person should do so because by the strict semantics of te words i don't NEED the orb so i'm going to hit the greed button and QQ if anyone |
| 01:55.15 | Jerub | rolls need afterwards because I'm an idiot" |
| 01:58.35 | Trela | At least you do not have to deal with the "etiquette" on Feathermoon Horde which is that every one should ALWAYS pass then the group decides who should get it. Right, because that will never stop ninjas. They get angry when I roll. :P |
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| 02:01.26 | Arrowmaster | Trela: how the fuck is that even appropriate with LFD |
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| 02:02.24 | Trela | LFD has mostly killed it thankfully. Before then you risked being called a ninja and never getting groups again if you used need or greed appropriately like the rest of the world. |
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| 02:04.44 | Dagmar | Trela: That's a great way to screw up one of the achievements, specifically Needy |
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| 02:05.19 | Dagmar | we got used to doing that in our guild, actually. It took some work before we finally remembered to actually _need_ on stuff |
| 02:05.35 | Dagmar | We started making everyone decide, and then everyone need on purples for the achievement |
| 02:05.44 | Dagmar | ..if it was something no one could really use |
| 02:05.55 | Trela | Yeah. :( I still do not have them. |
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| 02:08.39 | Arrowmaster | i think i have needy but not greedy |
| 02:10.08 | Dagmar | Hey look on the bright side, you only have to have drops you can use fall 200-300 times to get it |
| 02:10.22 | Dagmar | ...this is why we started planning in advance to make everyone roll need when no one could use it |
| 02:13.48 | airtonix | is this is the proper url for wow accounts ? http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/ |
| 02:14.51 | foxlit | Yes. If in doubt, you can log in through battle.net, though |
| 02:15.25 | airtonix | ok i stopped playing 6mths ago and i recieved an email 2days saying my subscription details were changed... |
| 02:15.30 | airtonix | :( |
| 02:20.11 | Dagmar | Login *now* |
| 02:20.17 | Dagmar | Someone's jacking your account |
| 02:20.40 | Corrodias | is it a legit email? |
| 02:20.44 | Corrodias | check the headers. |
| 02:20.56 | Dagmar | well, obviously dont' click on any links in that email |
| 02:21.00 | airtonix | meh its been frozen for quite some time and still is |
| 02:21.08 | Dagmar | Email clients should stop supporting inline HTML |
| 02:21.17 | airtonix | https://us.battle.net/ |
| 02:21.36 | Dagmar | That doesn't mean someone can't be calling up CS pretending to be you and trying to get it unfrozen |
| 02:23.12 | airtonix | battle.net site is sexy looking |
| 02:24.47 | Kraps | how does ensidia = server instability? |
| 02:27.05 | foxlit | because baawaa paragon waa |
| 02:27.25 | tekkub | Dagmar: by god I've been saying that for a looooong time |
| 02:27.33 | tekkub | there is zero VALID reason for it |
| 02:27.48 | tekkub | just linkify any URLs for the user and keep the rest plaintext |
| 02:28.15 | foxlit | Major step back in formatting, though |
| 02:28.23 | tekkub | you don't need formatting though |
| 02:28.30 | foxlit | No marketing department wants to send plain-text emails. |
| 02:28.40 | tekkub | you give up formatting to get rid of all the abuse |
| 02:28.49 | tekkub | marketing isn't a valid reason |
| 02:28.55 | tekkub | ever |
| 02:28.57 | tekkub | ^^ |
| 02:29.11 | foxlit | That would seem to be a matter of priorities. |
| 02:29.34 | airtonix | http://www.scroogle.org/gifs/mao2.gif |
| 02:30.07 | Arrowmaster | i know of some email servers that just ignore all html emails |
| 02:30.32 | tekkub | WTB gmail option to never ever use html emails |
| 02:30.45 | Arrowmaster | when i use a client instead of gmail i always have it set to plain text |
| 02:30.54 | tekkub | same here |
| 02:31.09 | tekkub | granted, I've never used a "client" in like 3 or 4 years |
| 02:32.13 | Arrowmaster | i still prefer to use a client to connect to gmail via imap so i can use multiple accounts at once, but ive been lazy and havent set one up since i got a new computer |
| 02:32.34 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 02:34.48 | tekkub | all my accounts just forward into one place |
| 02:34.55 | tekkub | I have no need to seperate them |
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| 02:37.20 | Shirik | seriously though ScytheBlade1 |
| 02:37.26 | Shirik | I didn't realize how difficult it is to play without a mous epad |
| 02:37.35 | Shirik | omg |
| 02:37.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:39.39 | Kraps | there were no mages in the Paragon 25m H LK kill, you can delete your mag now |
| 02:39.43 | Kraps | :p |
| 02:44.38 | Cide | oh great |
| 02:44.48 | Cide | Shirik has abandoned me in favor of some noob called "sbo" |
| 02:44.56 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:45.06 | Shirik | we were doing 2v2s with ckk and someone else |
| 02:45.07 | Cide | pretend like you don't! |
| 02:45.14 | Shirik | and then FFA |
| 02:45.16 | Shirik | and I killed sbo |
| 02:45.17 | Shirik | so I win |
| 02:45.21 | Cide | good |
| 02:45.25 | Cide | brb! |
| 02:56.26 | Dagmar | @#$@$ uniconv doesn't show up in the Ubuntu software thingy |
| 02:58.58 | Dagmar | Nevermnind, it's already installed under god only knows what name |
| 02:59.20 | Arrowmaster | python-uniconv? |
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| 03:01.37 | Dagmar | I'm not sure. `uniconvertor` is installed, but it's bailing out with some strange error related to sketch |
| 03:01.44 | Dagmar | I'll bet that's a broken dependency |
| 03:03.37 | Dagmar | Well, damn. This file is actually *too old* for even uniconvertor |
| 03:04.18 | Dagmar | Jeez I may well BE doing this with VirtuaBox and an ancient version |
| 03:12.44 | Kraps | in CoS the wave after Meathook also spawns faster |
| 03:16.25 | Dagmar | Kraps: Good because the last time I was in there we killed everything so fast we actually went the wrong way at a couple of points |
| 03:23.34 | Kraps | i was 2nds dps for most of the instance; lots of packs + new prot warrior stuff = win |
| 03:24.38 | Shirik | tackles Kraps |
| 03:25.58 | Kraps | wut |
| 03:26.47 | kdtresh | bah, i hate "wut" |
| 03:28.06 | Adys | wut |
| 03:28.10 | Kraps | lol |
| 03:28.17 | Kraps | omg |
| 03:28.19 | Corrodias | lol wat |
| 03:28.32 | kdtresh | dies. |
| 03:28.42 | Torhal | feeds Fisker. |
| 03:29.17 | kdtresh | it's up there with "ne1" and "r u" |
| 03:29.32 | Adys | wtf r u talking about |
| 03:29.58 | Shirik | wattf? |
| 03:30.43 | Adys | dood |
| 03:31.00 | Adys | dats kewl. |
| 03:31.03 | Kraps | i disagree kd3 |
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| 03:31.13 | Shirik | pets kdtresh |
| 03:31.14 | Kraps | i hate "ne1" |
| 03:31.22 | kd3 | grrs |
| 03:31.25 | kdtresh | should probably stop drinking. |
| 03:32.09 | Adys | eny1 kewl liek Kraps |
| 03:32.23 | Adys | shit, my IQ just dropped |
| 03:32.32 | Adys | fuck you all and your trollfests |
| 03:32.32 | Kraps | punches Adys |
| 03:33.52 | Adys | [2. Trade] [Spiritah]: bur it got a lil stupid after the first 151 pokemon |
| 03:34.02 | Adys | trade chat or #wowuidev? 6am makes me wonder |
| 03:35.29 | kdtresh | yay for the blue bar freeze |
| 03:35.39 | kdtresh | needs another drink. |
| 03:35.53 | Adys | Good thing you're stuck at the blue bar |
| 03:35.57 | Adys | sounds like a good place to get a drink |
| 03:36.08 | Adys | YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 03:36.41 | kdtresh | blue curocao, vodka, ice, and vodka? |
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| 03:41.51 | Stew-a | if i call a function like func(something, strsplit(blah blah)), i can retrieve those strsplit values with the ... argument, is there any way to 'store' the return values from strsplit and still pass them to the function like tihs? |
| 03:42.48 | Iriel | Define |
| 03:42.52 | Iriel | Hang on.. |
| 03:42.54 | kdtresh | needs another drink. |
| 03:43.01 | Arrowmaster | not if you want to it to work on an unlimited number of possible returns from strsplit() without being excessively wasteful |
| 03:43.02 | Iriel | Do you want to get them from INSIDE the function, or AFTER the function? |
| 03:43.22 | Corrodias | so this wouldn't work? a, b = strsplit(blah blah) ; func(something, a, b) |
| 03:43.54 | Iriel | It would if there were only 2 returns |
| 03:44.05 | Iriel | But strsplit returns potentially many values |
| 03:44.17 | Stew-a | i dont know how many return values there will be, but i need access to the first before passing them on |
| 03:44.32 | Iriel | Well, how often do you call this ? |
| 03:44.44 | Stew-a | CHAT_MSG_ADDON handler |
| 03:45.00 | Iriel | Your best bet may be to split your function into 2 |
| 03:45.18 | Stew-a | i suppose i could just strip the first part of it off 'manually' and then throw the rest into strsplit |
| 03:45.20 | Iriel | your 'outer' function calls innerfunction(something, strsplit(blah, blah)) |
| 03:45.24 | Stew-a | probably should've thought that through :P |
| 03:45.35 | Iriel | you define innerfunction as function(stuff, ...) |
| 03:45.42 | Iriel | and it can do local first = ...; |
| 03:45.47 | Iriel | and later func(something, ...) |
| 03:46.12 | Iriel | (Season to taste) |
| 03:46.15 | Stew-a | this is also a good point |
| 03:46.23 | ccox | geez, worst healer I've ever seen, and he's trying to blame the tank (me) for being bad |
| 03:46.46 | Iriel | I take it you didn't have aggro issues |
| 03:46.52 | Iriel | People just took damage |
| 03:47.16 | ccox | no aggro problems, and I was the only one taking damage |
| 03:47.32 | Iriel | Oh, that's just lame then |
| 03:47.42 | Arrowmaster | http://img1.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/fansubs/fansub-anime-sub-failure-021.jpg being in a thread of 'anime failsub legends' is just stupid and fail on however put it there |
| 03:47.43 | ccox | but I think the idiot was casting greater heal all the time |
| 03:48.40 | Adys | why do people hate vlc? |
| 03:48.55 | Arrowmaster | because its fucking horrible |
| 03:49.00 | Arrowmaster | that pic is an example why |
| 03:49.00 | Adys | oh wait, only people who care about the retarded mkv format hate vlc |
| 03:49.14 | kdtresh | i use mpc |
| 03:49.24 | Corrodias | Arrowmaster: i don't get it |
| 03:49.36 | Corrodias | although mkv is okay as far as i know |
| 03:50.04 | ccox | err, I have no dungeon cooldown, but it won't let me queue because of a dungeon cooldown |
| 03:50.08 | ccox | patch bugs, much? |
| 03:50.17 | Adys | ccox: it doesnt show it in debuffs anymore |
| 03:50.24 | Corrodias | VLC displays subtitles that nothing else does? |
| 03:50.26 | Adys | arrowmaster, one, if you're going to hate on decoding, go hate on ffmpeg |
| 03:50.28 | ccox | well, that's lame |
| 03:50.36 | ccox | how do you know you're on cooldown? |
| 03:50.44 | Kraps | bear tank: "k dont attack till i stop and if you get aggro i'll let you die" ~10 seconds into his "pull" he dies |
| 03:50.56 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: fansub group gg was notorious for putting comments in their softsubs like that which were really long and ment to annoy people, those are supposed to be interpreted and comments by every sub rendered and not displayed but vlc has been broken for most of its existence and displayed them |
| 03:50.57 | Kraps | fucking chain pullers |
| 03:51.18 | Arrowmaster | Adys: ffmpeg actually decodes properly |
| 03:51.27 | Adys | so does vlc |
| 03:51.40 | Adys | last i heard the QQ battles on videolan forums about mkv and shit |
| 03:51.41 | Arrowmaster | maybe now it 'might' |
| 03:51.41 | ccox | Arrow - funny |
| 03:51.46 | Adys | it was about settings |
| 03:52.06 | Adys | arrowmaster, two, vlc isn't just a media player, it's a media streamer and tbrfh there's no other app in the world that's as powerful as it is |
| 03:52.25 | Arrowmaster | vlc has been completely fucking broken on h264 rendering in the past when every other decoder has been able to do a perfect decode |
| 03:52.27 | Dagmar | I'm still irked that at 1.0 it somehow lost some of it's ability to deal with broken files |
| 03:52.33 | Stew-a | http://pastey.net/134655 <-- yeah that seems to work perfectly, thanks everyone |
| 03:53.33 | Dagmar | VLC's main issue with h.264 as I see it is lack of hardware accelleration of decompression |
| 03:53.48 | Adys | isnt that a gsoc for this year? |
| 03:54.16 | Dagmar | Dunno. SOunds like a likely candidate since there's VDPAU now |
| 03:54.52 | Dagmar | ...and nVIdia has made libvdpau standlone, and that 1080 single-sliced stuff will not play back in realtime without a LOT of CPU power |
| 03:55.18 | Arrowmaster | goes to open 1080p file and look at cpu usage |
| 03:55.29 | Dagmar | ALl the recordings I get from the HDPVR will play with VLC, but they won't play smoothly by any means |
| 03:56.04 | Dagmar | On the wonderful flipside of this, WMP has some retarded bugs in it that result in a file with sparse I frames being unable to play streamed using HTTP gets, but they'll play when read over Samba just fine |
| 03:56.49 | Dagmar | I'm actually having to do lossless transcodes (pointless reencoding) just to get around that |
| 03:57.12 | Kraps | VLC > WMP that is all |
| 03:57.18 | Dagmar | THat's true |
| 03:58.06 | Arrowmaster | mplayer used 40% of a single core for a second or two on a few scenes but for the most part was below 10% for me playing a 1080p file just now |
| 03:58.12 | Arrowmaster | hugs vdpau |
| 03:58.18 | kd3 | vdpau <3 |
| 04:00.25 | Kraps | wotlk flightpaths are terible |
| 04:01.00 | Iriel | Kraps: whyso? |
| 04:01.10 | Arrowmaster | using xv, above 50% of a single core for the most part, droped to 40% for a second or two twice |
| 04:02.09 | Kraps | they seem to be even less efficient than azeroth fps |
| 04:02.18 | Kraps | FPs* |
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| 04:08.53 | Kraps | http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/lich-king-25-heroic-world-first-kill-by-paragon/msg2387679/#msg2387679 |
| 04:09.21 | Wobin | win |
| 04:09.44 | Stew-a | is there a relatively easy way of creating 'custom chat types' for the ChatFrameEditBox, i.e. if i wanted to create a /group slash command, making the editbox change colour, and display "group" as the label? |
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| 04:14.18 | Stew-a | i'll take that as a no then :P |
| 04:18.03 | Wobin | http://nameoftheyear.blogspot.com/ |
| 04:18.09 | Wobin | X'Zavier Bloodsaw |
| 04:18.13 | Wobin | .... aweeesome |
| 04:20.18 | Wobin | Damn... Either X'Zavier, or Dr Speedy Nutz |
| 04:20.28 | Wobin | I can't choose! |
| 04:24.11 | Kraps | anyone notice that the lfd wait time thingy is more accurate now? |
| 04:25.55 | Iriel | I think that's only because there are more people around |
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| 04:29.04 | Trela | +R on this channel would not be so annoying if the services on this network were not SO SLOW. |
| 04:30.56 | Dagmar | Hm... Following strangers |
| 04:31.02 | Dagmar | Seems like a good way to get knifed |
| 04:33.31 | Corrodias | or would that be knived? |
| 04:33.48 | Iriel | I think that depends how many strangers there are |
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| 04:39.49 | Dagmar | Well, it's gotten me to Shadowy 5 without being knifed |
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| 05:09.46 | Shirik | le sigh |
| 05:09.54 | Shirik | I have been compiling Qt for 4 hours now |
| 05:24.51 | Jamash | why |
| 05:26.26 | Thunder_Child | because he is a masochist |
| 05:28.06 | Iriel | Hm, my realm appears to have died |
| 05:30.58 | ccox | Qt? Yeah, that is for massochists |
| 05:33.02 | Shirik | why :( |
| 05:33.04 | Shirik | Qt is nice |
| 05:33.12 | Shirik | Would you rather I use JAVA?! |
| 05:33.17 | Kraps | AotD on dragon boss lolololol |
| 05:33.27 | Adys | ccox: wtf? |
| 05:33.42 | Adys | give me ONE better gui toolkit than qt |
| 05:33.54 | ccox | Adys - define "better"? |
| 05:34.05 | Adys | as simple and powerful? |
| 05:34.18 | ccox | faster? more complete? Better use of platform widgets? |
| 05:34.28 | ccox | able to handle localization decently? |
| 05:34.38 | ccox | doesn't require a custom compiler step to define it's UI? |
| 05:34.50 | ccox | has real auto-layout for localization? |
| 05:35.08 | Adys | qt doesnt require a custom compiler to define its ui, it's optional |
| 05:35.15 | Adys | more complete than qt you wont find |
| 05:35.18 | ccox | as simple and powerful - almost anything would meet that |
| 05:35.25 | ccox | Adys - LOL! |
| 05:35.29 | Adys | it uses native platform widgets anywhere it can and as best it can |
| 05:35.35 | ccox | Qt may have a lot of crap, but it is far from complete |
| 05:35.45 | Adys | ... go on |
| 05:36.04 | ccox | Adys - NOT, it uses bitmaps for most everything, so most Qt apps end up looking like a bad XWindows/Motif port |
| 05:36.21 | Corrodias | you're a bad morif port. |
| 05:36.27 | Corrodias | motif. |
| 05:36.29 | Adys | and uhhhhhh |
| 05:36.31 | Corrodias | whatever. don't tell me how to spell. |
| 05:36.33 | Adys | [06:35:18] <ccox> as simple and powerful - almost anything would meet that |
| 05:36.36 | Adys | wtf are you on |
| 05:36.49 | Adys | gimme just one that's SIMPLER than qt |
| 05:36.57 | ccox | We evaluated using Qt at one time, but when we got done listing all the bad parts that had to be replaced, nothing was left |
| 05:37.22 | ccox | simpler? MFC, Cocoa, PowerPlant (now obsolete) |
| 05:37.29 | Shirik | MFC? |
| 05:37.29 | Adys | MFC what the fuck |
| 05:37.29 | Shirik | lmao |
| 05:37.32 | Adys | cocoa never tried |
| 05:37.36 | ccox | it's lame, but is simpler |
| 05:37.38 | Adys | powerplant, what the hell is that? |
| 05:37.47 | Shirik | issue with MFC & Cocoa is obvious: Not portable |
| 05:37.58 | ccox | Shirik - yep |
| 05:38.12 | Shirik | also QT's current look doesn't seem to be out of Windows's look and feel |
| 05:38.16 | ccox | PowerPlant was a Mac/Win framework from Metrowerks |
| 05:38.16 | Shirik | to me at least |
| 05:38.47 | ccox | the sad thing is, there aren't many overall good UI frameworks out there, much less full app frameworks |
| 05:38.57 | Adys | the only thing that made me able to distinguish qt apps on windows xp was that a lot more widgets were movable and they were overall better |
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| 05:39.05 | ccox | (full app being file, network, etc. handling beyond the UI) |
| 05:39.22 | Adys | yeah, exactly what qt does |
| 05:39.26 | Adys | and it does it rather well |
| 05:39.45 | ccox | ok, we just have different definitions of "doing it well" |
| 05:39.56 | ccox | For professional use, we found Qt to be a bad joke |
| 05:39.58 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv0z0FURQbk |
| 05:40.13 | Adys | what do you even call "professional use"? |
| 05:40.22 | ccox | as much as we hated building and supporting our own framework, we had to |
| 05:40.34 | Adys | it's used on mobile platforms by a bunch of software giants, I'd call that professionally successful |
| 05:40.41 | ccox | Adys - "professional use": using with an application that you would charge money for |
| 05:41.15 | ccox | If you could write Office or Creative Suite in it, then it's ready for professional use |
| 05:41.33 | Adys | .. can't you? |
| 05:41.53 | Adys | isn't koffice entirely qt? |
| 05:41.55 | ccox | not in Qt (unless you have lots of time, lots of cash, and really are a massochist) |
| 05:42.07 | Adys | and isn't koffice not even funded |
| 05:42.41 | ccox | koffice certainly looks bad enough to be Qt |
| 05:42.49 | Adys | ... wtf is your problem |
| 05:43.01 | ccox | I don't like bad software, I have higher standards |
| 05:43.09 | Adys | http://www.koffice.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/kexi-2.2-alpha1-form-datasource-tags.png |
| 05:43.13 | Adys | how does this look "bad"? |
| 05:43.33 | ccox | wow, it really does look like something from Motif 20 years ago |
| 05:43.50 | ccox | actually, I think MIT and CMU were turning out better UI than that 20 years ago |
| 05:44.27 | Adys | k thats it you're just a fucking troll |
| 05:44.44 | ccox | no, just someone with more experience, and apparently higher standards |
| 05:45.10 | ccox | I' |
| 05:45.22 | Adys | if you just don't like anything that doesn't look like ribbon, just say it |
| 05:45.24 | ccox | I'm constantly amazed that people put up with bad UI and bad appliations |
| 05:45.41 | ccox | ribbons? Worst. UI. Design. Ever. |
| 05:45.46 | Adys | http://page.sourceforge.net/snapshot3.jpg |
| 05:45.50 | Adys | here is what a bad ui looks like |
| 05:45.53 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5aRcwHULaI Back to the Future Sex Scenes |
| 05:46.13 | ccox | no, that's just someone's busybox test UI |
| 05:46.19 | Adys | it's a tk ui |
| 05:46.22 | ccox | it's not a real UI |
| 05:46.56 | ccox | and yeah, that does look like something from pre X-Windows days |
| 05:47.15 | ccox | (wow, tcl/tk, that goes way back) |
| 05:47.16 | Adys | kay you want a real ui |
| 05:47.17 | Adys | http://cyberelk.net/tim/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/gitk.png |
| 05:47.38 | ccox | ouch, real window, bad choice of elements inside |
| 05:47.48 | ccox | looks like it was designed by an engineer |
| 05:47.55 | Adys | gitk is apparently used by many git users, one of the most popular versioning softwares, as it's shipped with it |
| 05:48.05 | Adys | seeing it the first time made me throw up |
| 05:48.13 | Adys | point is, thats what a bad ui looks like |
| 05:49.11 | Adys | gtk has sensible theming support, unfortunately it takes extreme work to actually either do a proper theme which supports most applications, or do a good-looking custom UI in it (cf google-chrome) |
| 05:50.21 | ccox | my favorite Qt punching bag" http://perforce.com/perforce/doc.092/manuals/p4v-gs/images/p4v-gs002.png |
| 05:50.34 | ccox | users have been asking for them to ditch Qt ever since they adopted it |
| 05:50.58 | Adys | that looks like a native windows xp app to me |
| 05:51.01 | Adys | whats the issue? |
| 05:51.12 | ccox | native window, but nothing inside is native |
| 05:51.30 | Adys | .. i dont see any difference |
| 05:51.32 | ccox | it's all bitmap controls, looks like Motif barfed on an XP window |
| 05:51.35 | Adys | apart from the handles everywhere |
| 05:51.43 | Adys | so what, why do you care? |
| 05:51.57 | Adys | theres no difference with a native app, graphics wise |
| 05:52.05 | ccox | there are differences |
| 05:52.06 | Adys | why would you care whether it's a bitmap or a native control? |
| 05:52.11 | ccox | in appearance and behavior |
| 05:52.16 | Dagmar | *covers his eyes at the sight of Motif widgets* |
| 05:52.25 | Dagmar | COME AND JOIN US IN 2010 |
| 05:52.31 | ccox | it takes a lot of work to make a fake control act like a native control, when you could just use the native control |
| 05:52.43 | Shirik | btw I'm still compiling |
| 05:52.46 | Shirik | just thought I'd let you know |
| 05:52.53 | Shirik | there is way too much code here |
| 05:52.59 | Adys | qt does that work for you ccox ... |
| 05:53.00 | ccox | yes |
| 05:53.03 | Shirik | if I had my work computer this would be done by now :( |
| 05:53.04 | Dagmar | Compiling Qt? |
| 05:53.06 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:53.11 | Dagmar | You're wrong. |
| 05:53.12 | ccox | Adys - it does the work, badly |
| 05:53.26 | Dagmar | It's got the 'amusing' property of being able to compile slowly on everything. |
| 05:53.26 | ccox | Adys - many of their controls don't have the behaviors of native controls, and that can be a problem |
| 05:53.30 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:53.36 | Adys | "SFI" |
| 05:53.59 | Adys | SFI in qt or in your app, idk |
| 05:54.02 | ccox | Shirik - cheer up, it only took 30 minutes or so on my dual i7 system (16 virtual cores) |
| 05:54.06 | Adys | you wanna use native? go ahead |
| 05:54.21 | Shirik | ccox: That actually matches my work computer's spec :P |
| 05:54.27 | ccox | Adyz - actually, I prefer native controls wrapped in a decent abstraction |
| 05:54.42 | ccox | Adys - so I can write for multiple platforms with minimal interruption |
| 05:55.00 | ccox | Shirik: good, now are you using all 16 cores? |
| 05:55.06 | ccox | make -j 16 FTW |
| 05:55.11 | Shirik | I'm not on my work computer |
| 05:55.14 | Shirik | I'm on my pitiful laptop |
| 05:55.23 | Shirik | also, make -j 17 |
| 05:55.43 | ccox | going one over just adds to thrashing |
| 05:55.54 | Jamash | it's like going to eleven |
| 05:56.00 | Adys | ~jamash++ |
| 05:56.05 | ccox | does keep the cores busy, but it may not finish faster |
| 05:56.16 | Shirik | anyway, yes, VS takes care of that on its own |
| 05:56.20 | Shirik | it handles 16 cores quite well, actually |
| 05:56.31 | Shirik | except on our build machine for whatever reason it blows up |
| 05:56.35 | Shirik | but I don't care about that thing |
| 05:56.44 | Shirik | we had to force it to use one core on the build machine |
| 05:56.45 | ccox | yeah, there are still some bugs in VS2008 MP support |
| 05:56.53 | Shirik | so you commit something and then like 4 hours later you get the report |
| 05:57.10 | ccox | I'm still using incredibuild with VS2008 to get decent build speeds |
| 05:58.21 | Adys | night Shirik |
| 05:58.25 | Shirik | we really hacked together our build machine. It periodically fails with "File in use" linker errors, so we set it up so that it has to fail twice to be considered a fail :P |
| 05:58.33 | Shirik | adys, unacceptable |
| 05:58.38 | Shirik | make ccox believe that Qt is good |
| 05:58.50 | ccox | I' |
| 05:58.57 | Adys | cba, like half of his statements are wrong or trollish |
| 05:59.08 | Adys | besides, as i said |
| 05:59.13 | Adys | if you want to use native, go right ahead |
| 05:59.14 | ccox | I've got some hopes for Google's Chrome code - it might turn into a decent framework |
| 05:59.24 | Adys | see now thats something i can agree to |
| 05:59.30 | ccox | Adys - nothing I've said here about Qt has been wrong yet |
| 06:00.00 | Adys | i actually wanted to attempt writing apps using chrome ui |
| 06:00.02 | ccox | And they hired some good people to make chromium localize better |
| 06:00.14 | Adys | i still got an unfinished IM client |
| 06:00.38 | Adys | issue is chrome's UI is a huge abstraction and it's really not what it should be |
| 06:00.47 | Adys | they need to make a toolkit of their own and fuck the rest |
| 06:00.54 | Dagmar | Ick |
| 06:00.57 | ccox | they're working on it still |
| 06:01.11 | Dagmar | I mean, I'm sure they could do it right, but I don't know if I want to have to build three toolkits |
| 06:01.28 | Dagmar | I have no problems with Gtk+, begrudgingly build Qt when I have to, but a third... phew |
| 06:01.32 | Adys | trust me, the day google does a ui toolkit ill drop all praise for qt |
| 06:01.57 | ccox | I may hold you to that |
| 06:02.05 | Dagmar | They'll probably just adopt Gtk |
| 06:02.07 | Jamash | then someone can build a meta toolkit that abstracts gtk qt and googletk |
| 06:02.08 | ccox | (I know a few people working on that code) |
| 06:02.09 | Arrowmaster | only if its good |
| 06:02.24 | Adys | they'll just rename gtk to gtk |
| 06:02.25 | Adys | OH WAIT |
| 06:02.32 | Dagmar | Nokia's press release the next day will read "FUUUUUUU-UUUUUUUU-" |
| 06:02.46 | Adys | Dagmar: tbh depends |
| 06:02.54 | Adys | a lot of chrome devs agree that gtk is fucking bad |
| 06:03.02 | ccox | man, their current localization is still right out of the 1980s |
| 06:03.15 | Adys | they went with it for user simplicity |
| 06:03.23 | Adys | but developers are shitting their lungs out |
| 06:03.55 | Adys | but more seriously, native awesometabs, webkit widget, sexy-sexy window controls |
| 06:04.15 | Trela | RIDE FOR EXCITING! http://www.bestjdmparts.com/images/doorseal-fd2-civic-3.jpg |
| 06:04.16 | Adys | try to imagine all your apps with a chrome-like ui |
| 06:04.33 | Dagmar | You were saying something earlier about Gtk themes taking "serious work"... Hah. Qt harder |
| 06:04.38 | Shirik | so I got my offer letter for my internship on Friday |
| 06:04.58 | Dagmar | Adys: It has a UI? |
| 06:04.58 | Shirik | 3 hours later I got another, "updated" offer letter $3/hr higher than the original |
| 06:05.08 | Shirik | I think I'm the first person in the company to get a raise within 3 hours |
| 06:05.09 | Adys | Dagmar: qt themes aren't harder than gtk ones |
| 06:05.10 | Dagmar | I thought it was just a tabs widget and some dialogboxes |
| 06:05.11 | Adys | however |
| 06:05.16 | Adys | qt themes don't suck ass natively |
| 06:05.23 | ccox | Shirik: congrats |
| 06:05.27 | Shirik | I was amused |
| 06:05.33 | Jamash | I don't 'get |
| 06:05.43 | Jamash | I don't 'get' Chrome |
| 06:05.44 | Adys | they easily adopt gtk or native windows/mac os theme |
| 06:05.46 | Shirik | Adys: Make it stop compiling!! |
| 06:05.51 | Adys | Shirik: ctrl-c |
| 06:05.56 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:05.57 | Dagmar | Adys: Explain that to the miniscule checkboxes I'm still dealing with in mythtv-setup because Qt refuses to take the hint they need to be bigger |
| 06:06.00 | Jamash | Shirik: ctrl-aww beat'd |
| 06:06.23 | Adys | Dagmar: dunno? ask the mythtv devs |
| 06:06.34 | Dagmar | They're a bit stubborn |
| 06:07.01 | Adys | qt doesn't have a QAntiRetardedDev module |
| 06:07.10 | Adys | yet |
| 06:07.21 | Dagmar | Like, most of them agree that MythTV setup is a bite in the ass by a rabid crocodile on acid, but any suggestion that they should document WTF data structures it's modifying so that other people could say, write something that uses an XML framework are met with blank looks |
| 06:07.27 | Arrowmaster | my biggest issue is just that there are multiple toolkits, it took me a while to figure out why all my fucking Qt fonts shunk one time, because of my multimonitor setup X detected my DPI incorrectly so Qt started rendering everything in the default 75 |
| 06:07.43 | Arrowmaster | while ive got GTK set to 100 |
| 06:07.55 | Dagmar | They should both take that hint from X |
| 06:08.00 | Dagmar | ...although it's NOT ALWAYS useful |
| 06:08.09 | Dagmar | DPI autodetection works great on "reasonably sized" monitors. |
| 06:08.42 | Dagmar | Enter, the twenty foot projection screen at 1600x1200 vs fonts at real-world DPI |
| 06:08.45 | Dagmar | Two pixels tall. |
| 06:09.01 | Jamash | ....,,,.,.,.,...,,.,. |
| 06:09.07 | Shirik | ...---... |
| 06:09.09 | Arrowmaster | or maybe they should both go back to using ~/.fonts.conf instead of me having to figure it out that i need to create it and configure everything for fonts there |
| 06:09.19 | Dagmar | I speak from experience, not theory on this |
| 06:09.24 | Adys | Jamash: ....... ..; ;;;; .....:: ..; ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 06:09.32 | Adys | anyone who played the korean alpha gets it |
| 06:09.44 | Jamash | that reminds me, I need to learn befunge before the starcraft 2 editor comes out |
| 06:09.45 | Dagmar | I was a bit dumbstruck at first, since I was showing off GNOME running on Slackware |
| 06:10.14 | Arrowmaster | seriously that was the only fucking way i could get Qt to not have fucking ugly ass fonts with no aliasing or smoothing, i had to find a rant online about it and create a ~/.fonts.conf to do all that config |
| 06:10.18 | Dagmar | Like, "Hey guys check out this sweet... uh... where the hell are my menus?" |
| 06:11.26 | Dagmar | I think they're both sort of following the Freetype peoples' lead now, thankfully |
| 06:11.46 | Arrowmaster | my monitor reports a 99x98 dpi but i found out it looks best at exactly 100 |
| 06:11.53 | Adys | you mean thankfully there is actually a lead |
| 06:11.56 | Arrowmaster | no i dont know why the fuck its 99x98 |
| 06:12.24 | Adys | again Shirik |
| 06:12.25 | Adys | good night |
| 06:12.29 | Shirik | no |
| 06:12.30 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Have you checked the EDID info? That would be mean for a manufacturer to have one that's not *quite* a standard scale |
| 06:12.33 | Adys | happy compiling |
| 06:12.34 | Shirik | you have to wait for it to finish compiling |
| 06:12.39 | Shirik | renderarea.cpp |
| 06:12.46 | Shirik | mainwindow.cpp |
| 06:12.51 | Shirik | moc_mainwindow.cpp |
| 06:12.51 | Adys | Shirik: if you used python you wouldnt have to compile |
| 06:12.56 | Shirik | yes I would |
| 06:13.00 | Shirik | it would just be compiled as it runs |
| 06:13.06 | Shirik | so it would run SO SLOOOOOOOOOOOOW |
| 06:13.14 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: It's telling the machine what the mm height and width of the panel, and it's native res |
| 06:13.15 | Shirik | but that's ok because Python isn't used in real programs |
| 06:13.20 | Shirik | so nobody cares |
| 06:13.25 | Shirik | oooooooooooooooooo yeah I went there |
| 06:13.32 | Adys | Shirik: ccox could use trolling lessons from you |
| 06:14.10 | ccox | ccox wasn't trolling |
| 06:14.36 | Adys | Shirik: I'm also going to send a proposal to use the verb "to compyle/compyling" for byte-compiling so that you don't get to do any more lame jokes like that last one |
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| 06:18.02 | Arrowmaster | (II) Mar 14 18:26:29 NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1600 x 1200 |
| 06:18.06 | Arrowmaster | (--) Mar 14 18:26:29 NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (99, 98); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config |
| 06:23.07 | Dagmar | IIRC it's xdpyinfo that will also tell you what it said it's real size was |
| 06:23.19 | Dagmar | If you have a ruler around, it can sometimes be worth checking |
| 06:23.50 | Arrowmaster | dimensions: 1600x1200 pixels (410x311 millimeters) |
| 06:24.04 | Dagmar | ...but the issue is that if a font's been optimized for a specific aspect, yeah, the anti-aliasing isn't really helping you by smoothing something that could just as easily be fudged |
| 06:24.45 | Arrowmaster | the major first issue was that there was no anti-aliasing or smoothing for Qt apps |
| 06:25.00 | Dagmar | Yeah and then they went a bit overboard |
| 06:25.12 | Arrowmaster | because im not running KDE |
| 06:25.24 | Dagmar | Weird. |
| 06:25.34 | Dagmar | Just setting the controls for freetype should have turned that on |
| 06:25.50 | Arrowmaster | there is no config for it at all because im not using KDE |
| 06:26.04 | Dagmar | Freetype still goes through fonts.conf |
| 06:26.11 | Arrowmaster | you mean fontconfig |
| 06:26.14 | Dagmar | It doesn't matter if you're using KDE or not. Of this I can be sure. |
| 06:26.18 | Dagmar | Yes, sorry, fontconfig |
| 06:26.45 | Dagmar | Slackware ships with KDE and I never install it until after I've gotten Dropline GNOME working again, just to keep it from screwing up the menus |
| 06:27.02 | Dagmar | Then I have to install KDE and go check everything to make sure we didn' break something |
| 06:27.22 | Shirik | when I tried to get GNOME working, I shot myself for stupidity and then realized I didn't want to do that |
| 06:27.25 | Arrowmaster | but neither KDE or Gnomes options gui's will configure fontconfig, all they do is use fontconfig for the inital info then use their own specific configs for any changes to that |
| 06:27.37 | Dagmar | Fonts were giving us fits for awhile because we had to follow pango's lead, which meant a few times we *had* to build freetype/fontconfig and eschew Pat's build of them |
| 06:27.53 | Jamash | KDE is a communist plot to dilute our precious bodily fluids |
| 06:28.15 | Dagmar | Shirik: Building GNOME is best left to professional masochists |
| 06:28.27 | Shirik | using GNOME is best left to professional masochists |
| 06:28.39 | Dagmar | I wrote the rapid prototyping build harness stuff JUST because 90% of my time building GNOME was spend freaking typing |
| 06:28.44 | Dagmar | s/spend/spent/; |
| 06:29.03 | Dagmar | Shirik: When Evolution gets a competitor, I'll think about it |
| 06:29.22 | Arrowmaster | you seriously dont want to know how many months it took me to figure out that shift was for selecting multiple files |
| 06:29.25 | Dagmar | UNtil Gmail came along I *had* to have Evo. Nothing else came close |
| 06:30.19 | Dagmar | I was so used to OUtlooks "suck" I almost fell out of my chair the first time I needed to actually search all 1.2Gb of the mail I had stashed, and it completed in about four seconds. |
| 06:31.17 | Wobin | tekkub, Panda Pirate shirt on Teefury today |
| 06:31.38 | Shirik | oh wow, I'm impressed |
| 06:31.45 | Shirik | Adobe makes good web apps |
| 06:31.54 | Shirik | I typed my address wrong and it said "I think you're crazy and live here instead" |
| 06:32.01 | Shirik | and it was right -_- |
| 06:32.08 | Jamash | they're watching you, Shirik |
| 06:32.10 | Dagmar | It's because they already know where you live. |
| 06:32.27 | Wobin | They're looking over your shoulder ... RIGHT NOW |
| 06:33.13 | Shirik | yayy |
| 06:33.18 | Shirik | Adobe found my serial number for CS4 Exxtended |
| 06:33.31 | Shirik | I would have had to kill someone otherwise :( |
| 06:35.14 | Shirik | http://www.treelobsters.com/2010/02/131-safety-measures.html |
| 06:35.29 | Shirik | a bit more wordy than I like, but read it, it's worth it |
| 06:36.51 | Dagmar | I messed up some girls earlier along those lines |
| 06:37.22 | Dagmar | Girl1: Blah blah blah. My parents are mean. They didn't buy me a car for my sixteenth birthday. I'm not supposed to have to ask them for one. |
| 06:37.40 | Shirik | my parents got me two cars, I still feel guilty for that |
| 06:37.42 | Dagmar | Girl2: Blah blah blah. I know, mine are too cheap because they say they won't be able to afford the repairs. |
| 06:37.53 | Dagmar | Me: "Tell them you're saving up to buy a scooter" |
| 06:38.12 | Arrowmaster | im on my 3rd car my parents have paid for |
| 06:38.20 | Dagmar | They'll either get the scooter or the parents will definitely be buying them a car just to stop it |
| 06:38.58 | Shirik | wtf.... |
| 06:39.00 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%E2%96%84%E2%96%84%E2%96%88%E2%96%80%E2%96%80_%E2%96%88%E2%96%AC%E2%96%88_%E2%96%88_%E2%96%80%E2%96%88%E2%96%80 |
| 06:39.12 | Jamash | hahaha |
| 06:39.13 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 06:41.41 | Wobin | ... buying a kid a car for their -16-th birthday? |
| 06:42.05 | Arrowmaster | hey i had a car before i even had a drivers license |
| 06:42.12 | Wobin | I guess they get a nice house at 21? |
| 06:42.31 | Iriel | I got a car at 21, when I bought it. |
| 06:42.31 | Iriel | ' |
| 06:42.39 | Wobin | yes, -you- bought it |
| 06:42.44 | Jamash | I still don't have a car |
| 06:42.46 | Arrowmaster | none of my cars have been new though |
| 06:43.01 | Iriel | I guess the problem is that the US is very pedestrian-incompatible, if you live in suburbia |
| 06:43.14 | Jamash | yep |
| 06:43.22 | Arrowmaster | although my previous one had an original retail price higher than either of my parents cars |
| 06:43.24 | Wobin | I put forward, that no kid should ever get a car, unless they can afford both it, and the upkeep... along with the repairs |
| 06:43.41 | Wobin | cause that makes them more careful about driving them... |
| 06:44.16 | Dagmar | Hence, put them on a scooter or a small motorcycle first |
| 06:44.59 | Arrowmaster | seriously where i live, you either have a car or you are forced to ride with somebody you know if you are lucky enough to have somebody that lives near you and works or goes to school at the same place you do and has the same schudule |
| 06:45.00 | Dagmar | Hmm... there's a large flaming thing in Shattrath now |
| 06:45.14 | Jamash | tempest keep was just a setback |
| 06:45.29 | Arrowmaster | i think the public bus comes through the city twice a day....... |
| 06:45.31 | Arrowmaster | twice |
| 06:45.34 | Jamash | ouch |
| 06:48.18 | Dagmar | If you put them on a scooter they can't be messaging while they drive, and they WILL learn respect for speed |
| 06:48.50 | Dagmar | Assuming they don't get crushed by one of their idiot friends moms in an SUV by the time they're 18 they'll be pretty responsible defensive drivers |
| 06:48.52 | Arrowmaster | we have these things called interstates here |
| 06:49.10 | Dagmar | Yeah we have 'em here too. |
| 06:49.14 | Dagmar | I'd never take my scooter on one. |
| 06:49.21 | Dagmar | Not even if it were legal |
| 06:49.35 | Arrowmaster | how long is your daily commute? |
| 06:49.37 | Jamash | how the heck did I activate the chinese input method by accident |
| 06:50.00 | Shirik | there's a key combination |
| 06:50.15 | Shirik | alt+shift or something like that |
| 06:50.19 | Shirik | yeah alt+shift |
| 06:50.24 | Arrowmaster | ctrl-shift-# i thought |
| 06:50.28 | Shirik | a strange combination, I know |
| 06:50.52 | Dagmar | My daily commute is ~11 miles, which amounts to 15-20m by car, or 20-25m by scooter. |
| 06:51.01 | Dagmar | How far is school from home tho... :) |
| 06:51.14 | batrick | hello shirik |
| 06:51.15 | batrick | chess?! |
| 06:51.33 | Shirik | hello batrick, not right now I'm trying to force Qt to stop being a bitch |
| 06:51.43 | batrick | ic |
| 06:51.55 | Shirik | but you wouldn't know about that because you only like evil languages like C |
| 06:52.07 | batrick | and lua* |
| 06:52.23 | Antiarc | Adys: http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/40-exalted-reputations goes to "Icecrown: The Final Goal" |
| 06:52.25 | Antiarc | Halp |
| 06:52.41 | batrick | C's biggest problem is lack of cheap abstractions and an abysmally bad API (from a modern perspective) |
| 06:52.50 | batrick | but otherwise is beautfil |
| 06:52.54 | batrick | beautiful* |
| 06:53.10 | batrick | poor shirik can't see this to be true |
| 06:54.23 | Shirik | AspectC++ is really nice too |
| 06:56.51 | Jamash | C is the poison in the wellspring of innovation |
| 06:57.03 | batrick | lol? |
| 06:57.46 | Shirik | I still can't believe they didn't get concepts into C++0x |
| 06:57.50 | Shirik | so mad about that |
| 06:57.58 | Shirik | OMG IT FINISHED COMPILING |
| 06:58.07 | ccox | Shirik - they found unsolved problems with the concepts concepts |
| 06:58.14 | Shirik | ... |
| 06:58.24 | ccox | Shirik: and many people thought that they weren't a big enough advance to justify the hassle |
| 06:58.33 | ccox | Shirik: but they're still working on the idea |
| 06:58.42 | Jamash | I'm almost afraid to ask |
| 06:58.51 | ccox | what was that, 2 hours? |
| 06:59.01 | Arrowmaster | apparently google maps doesnt like the route i take to get to school, i had to put in 4 points to get it to follow my normal route and it says its 18.8 miles, 37 minutes |
| 06:59.07 | Shirik | well I started compiling about 2 hours before I first complained |
| 06:59.08 | Shirik | so about 4 |
| 06:59.13 | ccox | ouch |
| 06:59.34 | ccox | anyone want to contibute to the "Get Shirik a modern laptop" fund? |
| 06:59.44 | Shirik | I know :< |
| 06:59.59 | Shirik | when I get my new lens, my next purchase is a new laptop |
| 07:03.55 | batrick | shirik needs a better language imo |
| 07:04.18 | Shirik | I love C++ |
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| 07:05.29 | Arrowmaster | google needs new satellite images for ohio, http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=39.865257,-84.189616&spn=0.006292,0.016651&t=k&z=17 |
| 07:05.39 | Arrowmaster | that ramp has been complete for a few years now |
| 07:05.44 | Arrowmaster | and it sucks |
| 07:05.57 | Arrowmaster | wants to strangle the engineer that designed it |
| 07:06.03 | ccox | it's Ohio - the roads are *always* under construction |
| 07:06.13 | Arrowmaster | you dont know how true that is |
| 07:06.19 | ccox | yes, I do |
| 07:06.39 | ccox | I had to drive through there more than a few times in college |
| 07:06.45 | Arrowmaster | I-70 and I-75 around dayton have been under construction since 2000 or so |
| 07:07.15 | ccox | I swore they just moved the construction signs around each year, but never completed anything |
| 07:07.34 | ccox | Kentucky was almost as bad, but they eventually completed some of it |
| 07:08.21 | Arrowmaster | I-70 west of dayton has been finished for a while, the I-70 I-75 exchange is done too, now theyve moved down I-75 into dayton |
| 07:08.53 | Iriel | Hm: Amazon.com recommends "Canon EOS 50D 15.1MP Digital SLR Camera with EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM Standard Zoom Lens" |
| 07:08.55 | Iriel | Thanks amazon |
| 07:09.52 | ccox | Tennessee was also amusing - where a random half of the rest stops would be closed at any given time |
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| 07:23.32 | Shirik | Iriel: It lies |
| 07:23.34 | Shirik | it LIES |
| 07:23.37 | Shirik | you know what I recommend? |
| 07:24.02 | Jamash | a long walk off a short pier? |
| 07:24.07 | Shirik | http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/680103-USA/Canon_2751B002_EF_70_200mm_f_2_8L_IS.html |
| 07:24.46 | Shirik | I may be ordering that this monday |
| 07:25.09 | Shirik | I'm not sure whether or not I should get the protection plan though; I would hate to drop it, but I don't think I've ever damaged a lens in the past |
| 07:25.13 | Dagmar | What do you want from us?! We have TREES all along the interstate for your convenience. |
| 07:25.47 | Jamash | for me to spend $2500 on a camera lens it'd have to be capable of imaging the future |
| 07:25.54 | Shirik | meh |
| 07:26.05 | Shirik | it's really nice |
| 07:26.25 | Shirik | plus I have a 1.4x extender now |
| 07:26.30 | Shirik | so that takes that effective range to about 280 |
| 07:26.45 | Jamash | your words mean nothing to me |
| 07:27.07 | Jamash | I know enough about cameras to zoom in and out and take pictures |
| 07:27.22 | Shirik | it means it zooms in a lot |
| 07:27.44 | Jamash | woo? |
| 07:28.18 | Shirik | You think that's bad, if I could afford it sometime in my lifetime, I'm getting this too: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/186152-GREY/Canon_2533A002_Telephoto_EF_400mm_f_2_8L.html |
| 07:29.11 | Jamash | gack |
| 07:29.13 | Shirik | but I'm not doing that anytime soon |
| 07:30.51 | Shirik | I'm actually not sure what to get after the 70-200 lens. I guess it depends on how happy I am with it |
| 07:31.18 | Shirik | I'll have a long time to think about it anyway, lol |
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| 07:35.18 | Iriel | sleeps |
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| 07:44.41 | Wobin | oh man, thank god for Lightroom =P |
| 07:44.52 | Shirik | I still need to get lightroom reinstalled but um |
| 07:45.00 | Shirik | I |
| 07:45.08 | Shirik | lost the installation media with which I originally installed lightroom |
| 07:45.08 | Wobin | Subject: Amanda Palmer Photos |
| 07:45.09 | Wobin | Date: 22nd March, 2010 |
| 07:45.09 | Wobin | Hey there! |
| 07:45.09 | Wobin | I'm Amanda's photo intern, and I love the photos you took of her. We would love to have high res versions of them to potentially use on her website, MySpace and promo materials. Could you send us up to the top 30 Hi Res photos (as a .zip file) along with your terms of usage to lauren@amandapalmer.net using sendspace.com or another filesharing site? |
| 07:45.42 | Wobin | all the shots I had were at 1600 ISO at a ridiculous distance from the main balcony >< |
| 07:45.50 | Shirik | heh |
| 07:45.54 | Shirik | yeah lightroom is a thing of beauty |
| 07:45.59 | Shirik | if not just for its ability to organize photos |
| 07:46.23 | Matsy | Why are you taking pictures of Amanda Palmer? ;p |
| 07:46.32 | Wobin | http://www.flickr.com/photos/30938059@N08/sets/72157623571675930/ |
| 07:46.47 | Wobin | cause she's an awesome performer! |
| 07:46.50 | Dagmar | Staaaalker |
| 07:46.58 | Matsy | Oh, it was a concert |
| 07:46.58 | Wobin | She's marrying Neil Gaiman |
| 07:47.06 | Matsy | That makes more sense then ;p |
| 07:47.06 | Wobin | I don't think I'm up to her standards =( |
| 07:47.27 | Shirik | omg Wobin |
| 07:47.28 | Wobin | And offing Neil Gaiman, would be a terrible crime against humanity |
| 07:47.31 | Shirik | lightroom 3 is in public beta |
| 07:47.44 | Dagmar | "Big Flaming Thing" could really use some sort of sign or something |
| 07:47.48 | Matsy | Yeah, it's fail :( |
| 07:48.02 | Matsy | It'll be in CS5, just when I bought CS4 2 months ago |
| 07:48.05 | Matsy | bangs head |
| 07:48.53 | Wobin | http://www.flickr.com/photos/30938059@N08/4413940790/in/set-72157623571675930/ |
| 07:49.01 | Wobin | They did an epic cover of 4'33" |
| 07:49.07 | Shirik | what do you mean it's fail? |
| 07:49.16 | Shirik | also, I can't wait for CS5 |
| 07:49.20 | Wobin | It's possiby fail in that Matsy spent money on CS4 |
| 07:49.23 | Matsy | Yeah. ;p |
| 07:49.26 | Matsy | That's what I mean |
| 07:49.33 | Shirik | Just content-aware fill in CS5 is enough for me to get it |
| 07:49.39 | Shirik | after what I've seen of it |
| 07:49.45 | Matsy | It's sad that all the new CS5 apps are coming into beta so soon |
| 07:50.04 | Matsy | Seems like CS4 has been a waste of money ;p |
| 07:50.29 | Matsy | Oh wow, nice panorama view there, Wobin |
| 07:50.32 | Shirik | did you get the full version? If so you should be eligible for an upgrade |
| 07:50.37 | Matsy | Yeah, I did |
| 07:50.37 | airtonix | so you guys are world class graphic designers that implement all the facets of pre press printing ? |
| 07:50.55 | Shirik | tsk tsk |
| 07:50.58 | Matsy | Yeah, I will, hopefully ;( |
| 07:51.12 | Shirik | Wobin, bracket +/-2 from +2 and take 3 shots! |
| 07:51.19 | Shirik | then HDR |
| 07:51.36 | Shirik | she looks like she's pretty still :P |
| 07:51.48 | Matsy | Oh, nice camera Wodin, @ Canon Eos 5D |
| 07:52.18 | Shirik | besides, stop taking pictures of people, Wobin |
| 07:52.19 | Shirik | http://darkroommaster.deviantart.com/gallery/ |
| 07:52.24 | Shirik | those are the types of pictures you're supposed to take |
| 07:52.29 | Wobin | hehe |
| 07:52.45 | Matsy | What, that's the same camera |
| 07:52.51 | Wobin | Shirik, oh man, she totally -wasn't- still |
| 07:52.56 | Shirik | lol really? |
| 07:53.10 | Wobin | although, for 4'33", she was =P |
| 07:53.14 | Shirik | not quite Matsy |
| 07:53.18 | Shirik | mine is the 5D Mk II |
| 07:53.26 | Wobin | Yeah, Shirik has the shiny new one |
| 07:53.31 | Matsy | Right, yeah ;p |
| 07:53.36 | Matsy | Was too fast with my judgement |
| 07:54.02 | Matsy | Did you make those then, Shirik? |
| 07:54.02 | Shadowed | ADYS |
| 07:54.05 | Shirik | yup |
| 07:54.06 | Shadowed | I SUMMON THEE |
| 07:54.16 | Matsy | My, oh my. |
| 07:54.28 | Wobin | I'd've tried HD... |
| 07:54.29 | Shirik | despite my workaholic nature I do have a creative side that I explore from time to time |
| 07:54.45 | Wobin | except with the distance from the target, and my lack of tripod, it probably wouldn't've been too successful |
| 07:55.03 | Wobin | (*HDR) |
| 07:55.05 | Matsy | Is that also the cause of the noice, Wobin? |
| 07:55.08 | Matsy | *noise |
| 07:55.15 | Wobin | noise is due to the high ISO |
| 07:55.17 | Shirik | The noise is probably just that he took it at 1600 |
| 07:55.20 | Wobin | since it was pitch black with spotlight =) |
| 07:55.37 | Wobin | again, also, due to distance from target |
| 07:55.47 | Shirik | I want to take a shot at ISO 25600 just to see what it's like |
| 07:56.05 | Wobin | SPOTZ |
| 07:56.21 | Matsy | Hah, I don't know much about photography |
| 07:56.33 | Shirik | it's all math |
| 07:56.38 | Shirik | which is probably one reason I like it |
| 07:56.58 | Matsy | But, its a really interesting area of expertise |
| 07:57.11 | Arrowmaster | is it bad that im trying to break google map directions? |
| 07:57.17 | Wobin | http://www.sydneyoperahouse.com/uploadedFiles/About_Us/Venues/Content_AboutUs_SeatingPlanOperaTheatre.pdf |
| 07:57.19 | Matsy | .. break? |
| 07:57.24 | Shirik | like trying to get it to tell you to swim across the atlantic ocean? |
| 07:57.29 | Wobin | I was in the Circle, Row C45 |
| 07:57.51 | Arrowmaster | no something a bit more realistic, but equally impossible |
| 07:58.00 | Arrowmaster | and ive succeeded |
| 07:59.26 | Wobin | Shirik, I really like the Weeping Falls shot |
| 07:59.56 | Shirik | I hate it |
| 08:00.06 | Shirik | one of the first things I'm doing when I get back to OR is retaking that shot |
| 08:00.13 | Wobin | You're supposed to =) |
| 08:00.16 | Wobin | you're a perfectionist |
| 08:00.35 | Wobin | (which is, in retrospect, silly for a nature photographer...=)) |
| 08:00.46 | Shirik | there's so much noise in the bottom right |
| 08:01.07 | Shirik | which is a direct result from me trying to pull it out of blackness (thank god for RAW) |
| 08:01.32 | Wobin | I know right? |
| 08:01.35 | Wobin | RAW is awesome |
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| 08:02.16 | Thunder_Child | if we have told you once Shirik we have told you...nvm, USE LAYERS |
| 08:02.27 | Shirik | ? |
| 08:02.37 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Unknown+road&daddr=39.759826,-84.101243&geocode=FUhCXwIdgOz8-g%3B&hl=en&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=15&dirflg=b&sll=39.766952,-84.090428&sspn=0.025202,0.050254&ie=UTF8&ll=39.768107,-84.078712&spn=0.025202,0.050254&t=h&z=15&lci=bike |
| 08:02.42 | Arrowmaster | totally broken directions |
| 08:02.44 | Shirik | Just because I own CS4 doesn't mean I know how to use it! |
| 08:02.48 | Thunder_Child | it's your own fault for having all the noise in the bottom right |
| 08:02.58 | Thunder_Child | that could have been avoided |
| 08:04.14 | Shirik | what did I do wrong? |
| 08:04.19 | Shirik | aside from taking the picture poorly |
| 08:04.36 | Shirik | (and keep in mind that correction is solely from Lightroom, it can always be undone) |
| 08:05.07 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, looks fine to me |
| 08:05.15 | Shirik | ^ |
| 08:05.19 | Arrowmaster | trust me its not |
| 08:05.32 | Arrowmaster | because they go directly through a military base |
| 08:05.52 | Wobin | well, noone said you -couldn't- |
| 08:06.04 | Arrowmaster | the guards with guns say you couldnt |
| 08:06.17 | Wobin | but that doesn't actually -stop- you from biking through, does it? |
| 08:06.24 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 08:06.25 | Wobin | I mean.. just ride faster! |
| 08:06.29 | Wobin | with a bulletproof vest! |
| 08:06.58 | Wobin | and maybe a hat saying "Navy Rules! Army Droolz!" |
| 08:07.12 | Wobin | er "Airforce Droolz" =P |
| 08:07.17 | Arrowmaster | i also think both the places it passes through are normally gated up |
| 08:07.43 | Matsy | So much street view there |
| 08:07.57 | Matsy | Google did a fine job ;p |
| 08:08.11 | Thunder_Child | "Bicycling directions are in beta." <-- they win |
| 08:08.28 | Matsy | They just need to release Directions for Andriod |
| 08:08.29 | Wobin | well |
| 08:08.30 | Matsy | *Android |
| 08:08.34 | Wobin | What if you were in the airforce |
| 08:08.35 | Arrowmaster | they do, when i set it to car they take one road to the east and avoid going in the base |
| 08:08.36 | Shirik | here |
| 08:08.38 | Wobin | and you wanted to bike that |
| 08:08.40 | Shirik | I found a way to break it Arrowmaster |
| 08:08.41 | Wobin | You'd be able to, right? |
| 08:08.44 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: in answer you your question, it would have to be done in PS |
| 08:08.57 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: i could do it not being in the air force |
| 08:09.01 | Shirik | Zoom all the way out until north america is twice on the map |
| 08:09.10 | Shirik | then try to drag one of the endpoints from one north america to the other |
| 08:09.25 | Shirik | then watch as Google tries to take over control of your mouse like they take control of everything else |
| 08:10.18 | Wobin | bah, it won't let me bike from your location to mine |
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| 08:10.36 | Shirik | I tried to ask it to bike from Florida to Hawaii |
| 08:10.40 | Shirik | it didn't appreciate that |
| 08:17.45 | Wobin | hm |
| 08:17.51 | Wobin | how should I copyright these photos |
| 08:17.54 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt like biking across africa either |
| 08:19.01 | Wobin | maybe CC-Attrib |
| 08:20.27 | Arrowmaster | now im looking for penguins |
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| 08:32.14 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, they did a Streetview recording of our Zoo |
| 08:32.19 | Wobin | but it's not up yet =( |
| 08:33.20 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:33.28 | Wobin | No |
| 08:33.29 | Wobin | Zoo |
| 08:33.33 | Wobin | Not aquarium |
| 08:33.40 | Fisker | I didn't know you were an exhibit in the zoo |
| 08:33.47 | Wobin | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large giraffe. |
| 08:34.39 | Fisker | phew |
| 08:34.44 | Fisker | almost thought my account was compromised |
| 08:35.03 | Fisker | looks like my authenticator is just drifting though |
| 08:35.14 | Matsy | Oh, mine isn't the only one? |
| 08:35.25 | Matsy | WoW doesn't seem to be accepting half of my codes |
| 08:35.25 | Fisker | of course not? |
| 08:35.31 | Dagmar | It's supposed to be able to figure that out as you authenticate |
| 08:35.53 | Wobin | Fisker, resync fixed it? |
| 08:36.01 | Matsy | I even resynced it, but it still didn't work |
| 08:36.03 | Fisker | It's not the mobile one |
| 08:36.15 | Wobin | Matsy, change your password =P |
| 08:36.17 | Dagmar | The authentication server is supposed to figure it out |
| 08:36.24 | Wobin | just in case |
| 08:36.25 | Matsy | Wobin, nah, 50% of the codes do work |
| 08:36.30 | Fisker | no it's supposed to give you some leeway either way |
| 08:36.31 | Matsy | I mean, I just logged in |
| 08:36.42 | Matsy | After like 4 codes |
| 08:36.45 | Fisker | For example any codes generated a minute in the past and a minute in the future is accepted |
| 08:36.51 | Wobin | isn't that whole MitM attack thing indicated by a failure of codes? |
| 08:36.54 | Fisker | But that doesn't do you any good if the authenticator has drifted 2 minutes |
| 08:36.55 | Fisker | durr |
| 08:36.59 | Dagmar | Wobin: Yes. |
| 08:37.03 | Matsy | Yeah, it is |
| 08:37.04 | Fisker | Wobin don't make me come down there |
| 08:37.05 | Fisker | NO |
| 08:37.09 | Fisker | DO NOT MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE |
| 08:37.12 | Wobin | stirs |
| 08:37.22 | Matsy | But, I am quite sure that it is just the authenticator being out of sync ;p |
| 08:37.24 | Fisker | You will refer to the authenticator breach as a keylogger |
| 08:37.25 | Fisker | no more. |
| 08:37.30 | Dagmar | ...but generally they'll login and you get a different message, so at least if he's compromised they haven't sacked his account yet |
| 08:37.42 | Fisker | well i already logged o |
| 08:37.44 | Fisker | in |
| 08:37.45 | Dagmar | Might be too busy sacking other peoples' accounts |
| 08:37.49 | Wobin | I actually used that whole example at work |
| 08:37.54 | Matsy | Hahah, no one is sacking my account, fortunately |
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| 08:38.17 | Wobin | of course, I actually made it a MitM attack |
| 08:38.36 | Dagmar | That it's standard for the auth server to figure out the hard token is drifting and compensate for it says run a virus scanner now |
| 08:38.39 | Dagmar | nownownow. |
| 08:39.23 | nevcairiel | my HW token never drifted until now, and its still one of the first gen tokens |
| 08:39.32 | nevcairiel | but i switched to mobile a month ago or so |
| 08:39.35 | Matsy | I should get one of the real tokens |
| 08:39.42 | Fisker | How would it do that Dagmar? :P |
| 08:40.05 | Fisker | It wouldn't be reliable at all |
| 08:40.15 | Dagmar | It mathematically generates the numbers based on time |
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| 08:40.19 | Fisker | i know |
| 08:40.26 | Fisker | But how does it know it's out of sync? |
| 08:40.33 | Dagmar | It doesn't need to have any magic technology to see what the numbers one minute, two minutes in the future or past are. It just knows. |
| 08:40.36 | Fisker | What if the user is just waiting before entering it? |
| 08:40.45 | nevcairiel | the server knows what timestamp was used to generate the id you just put in there |
| 08:40.47 | Dagmar | If you start logging in with the one ahead a minute or behind a minute, it should notice |
| 08:40.50 | Fisker | Then they end up compensating for drift when infact they're just making it out of sync |
| 08:40.56 | Dagmar | It's a LONG known problem with hard tokens. |
| 08:40.57 | nevcairiel | and if its a valid one from a minute ago, its supposed to resync |
| 08:41.03 | Dagmar | You drop them in the snow for five minutes and they drift. |
| 08:41.03 | Matsy | http://www.google.com/patents?id=nF58AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false |
| 08:41.17 | Fisker | don't you patent me Matsy |
| 08:41.25 | Matsy | Reminds me of that! |
| 08:41.29 | Dagmar | So if it's *not* synching either something's wrong with the auth server, someone's a REALLY crappy typist, or the machine is compromised. |
| 08:41.30 | Matsy | What :( |
| 08:41.52 | Matsy | WoW should use that system to do their logging in |
| 08:41.53 | Dagmar | Assign the odds of those to anything you like, but the last is non-trivial, so scanning time it is |
| 08:42.16 | Arrowmaster | could always put GPS hardware in them, stratum 0 time servers use the constant pulse from GPS hardware to keep perfect time |
| 08:42.33 | Fisker | kill battery life |
| 08:42.33 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 08:42.37 | nevcairiel | yeah because GPS works so good in-doors |
| 08:42.45 | Fisker | that too |
| 08:43.04 | Arrowmaster | it only takes a while to make the connection, once it has it then its good |
| 08:43.17 | Dagmar | Autocompensation was a standard feature in SecureID when I set it up in *1999* |
| 08:43.22 | Dagmar | It's surely in whatever Blizz is using. |
| 08:43.24 | nevcairiel | its using singals thats coming to you from reflections, its not accurate anymore |
| 08:43.47 | nevcairiel | as long as you use your token on a regular basis, it should manage to resync |
| 08:44.02 | nevcairiel | if you have it sitting there for 2 years and never used it once, it might be so much drifted that its lost |
| 08:45.07 | nevcairiel | depends how accurate the time in those things is |
| 08:46.05 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, http://screencast.com/t/OTNkZjczMGY |
| 08:46.34 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 08:46.45 | Arrowmaster | epic |
| 08:47.37 | Arrowmaster | you can blame Fisker for starting it |
| 08:55.12 | mikma | wobin: lol you has follower lol lol |
| 09:01.18 | Fisker | imma blow you up |
| 09:01.38 | Dagmar | So what else happened other than something big and flaming is hanging out in Shattrath now? |
| 09:04.23 | Fisker | Dagmar mikma Arrowmaster |
| 09:04.39 | mikma | wobin: http://www.filestube.com/7db334deec22ab8503ea/details.html |
| 09:04.46 | mikma | has ignored Fisker. |
| 09:05.18 | Wobin | mikma, what is that? |
| 09:05.28 | mikma | Shakta - Lepton Head (Deedrah Remix).mp3 |
| 09:05.40 | Fisker | is happy |
| 09:05.45 | mikma | propably the most expensive song ever in goatrance scene :P |
| 09:06.13 | Dagmar | Someone got sues? |
| 09:06.16 | Dagmar | er sued? |
| 09:07.04 | Fisker | Did Blizzard add a progress bar to posting auctions now? |
| 09:07.12 | Matsy | Yeah ;p |
| 09:09.02 | Fisker | sweet |
| 09:10.09 | Fisker | i'm running out of stuff to buy :( |
| 09:16.09 | mikma | har har har |
| 09:17.07 | Wobin | http://twitpic.com/1amzv5 |
| 09:17.09 | Wobin | puppy! |
| 09:18.28 | mikma | so i decided to trip into my creative fatal1ty headset's cord |
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| 09:18.36 | mikma | now the mic is busted, whoopdidoo |
| 09:20.46 | jnwhiteh | I think that freenode is no longer pinging me |
| 09:21.06 | jnwhiteh | and this is why lua_bot keeps getting disconnected. |
| 09:21.20 | jnwhiteh | but that doesn't appear to be the case either =/ |
| 09:21.37 | nevcairiel | !api unitname |
| 09:21.38 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'unitname'. |
| 09:21.42 | nevcairiel | whats up with that? ^ |
| 09:21.45 | jnwhiteh | umm |
| 09:21.51 | jnwhiteh | Let me cehck. |
| 09:22.05 | nevcairiel | it only works for pure lua functions these days |
| 09:22.19 | jnwhiteh | I changed the markup slightly |
| 09:22.23 | jnwhiteh | to make it valid xhtml |
| 09:22.25 | jnwhiteh | lemme fix that. |
| 09:23.15 | jnwhiteh | !api Frame:Show |
| 09:23.17 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Frame:Show'. |
| 09:23.24 | jnwhiteh | grr. |
| 09:25.39 | jnwhiteh | Fixed. |
| 09:25.40 | jnwhiteh | sorry about that =/ |
| 09:26.58 | jnwhiteh | someone ping me if/when lua_bot disappears next time |
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| 09:50.08 | harl | wuff |
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| 10:31.51 | Shirik | haha |
| 10:31.56 | Shirik | google chrome auto-translate feature ftl |
| 10:32.01 | Shirik | no text in this page you. Anta possible spin on the title page was in the pages else, spinning in the records Elly relationship to her guardian, or modify the page was |
| 10:35.08 | Fisker | old |
| 10:35.10 | Fisker | OLD |
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| 10:35.32 | Fisker | anyone recall if the shift-click purchasing removes the purchase warning? |
| 10:52.48 | olafski | it doesn't |
| 10:53.00 | olafski | if you mean the warning that says "are you sure you want to spend 50x frost emblem on ..." |
| 10:56.26 | Fisker | yeah |
| 10:56.31 | Fisker | just could've sworn it was there though |
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| 11:06.36 | olafski | the warning is there iirc |
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| 11:15.02 | mikma | heh, just bought Torchlight, was so cheap, 4e |
| 11:16.23 | Fisker | you're a horrible person |
| 11:16.31 | Fisker | you should've bought Coniclysm instead |
| 11:16.43 | Matsy | For 4e? |
| 11:16.51 | Fisker | it's this shitty game where you have one life, and then the game bugs out and you die |
| 11:16.52 | Arrowmaster | mikma: 4e? cheap? wtf i bought it for much cheaper than that i thought |
| 11:16.52 | Fisker | 4 euro |
| 11:17.10 | Matsy | Cataclysm is 4 euros? |
| 11:17.14 | Matsy | cheaaap |
| 11:17.19 | Fisker | http://store.steampowered.com/app/39900/ <-easily GOTY |
| 11:17.22 | Fisker | i said Coniclysm |
| 11:17.25 | Matsy | Oh! |
| 11:17.30 | Matsy | What. |
| 11:17.34 | Matsy | ;( |
| 11:18.02 | Matsy | That looks very nice, actually |
| 11:18.03 | Fisker | Except the few first tries where i just died horribly because i had no idea what i was doing, all subsequent tries were lost due to bugs |
| 11:19.14 | mikma | Coniclysm didn't look interesting to me |
| 11:19.29 | Fisker | It's actually kinda interesting |
| 11:19.48 | Fisker | but the bugs are ruining it |
| 11:19.53 | mikma | =/ |
| 11:20.01 | mikma | well worth 3.99e then |
| 11:20.30 | Fisker | Well it's given me more enjoyment than some AAA titles that are â¬49.99 atleast :P |
| 11:21.25 | mikma | arrowmaster: i consider 4e as a cheap game :) |
| 11:21.30 | Fisker | yay |
| 11:21.52 | Fisker | Railworks + DLC is almost at the â¬400 mark |
| 11:22.01 | Fisker | â¬399.67 to be precise |
| 11:22.02 | Fisker | :DD |
| 11:22.48 | Dagmar | Torchlight > * |
| 11:23.13 | Fisker | the add is misleading though |
| 11:23.19 | Fisker | 75% of 15,99 isn't 4 |
| 11:23.23 | Arrowmaster | i havent even tried it yet, ill have to see if i can get it working on linux |
| 11:23.30 | Fisker | off* |
| 11:24.58 | mikma | 15.99*0.25 = 3.9975 |
| 11:25.47 | Fisker | ^^ |
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| 11:26.14 | Fisker | i want my 0.25 cents back |
| 11:27.35 | Matsy | Hm. |
| 11:27.43 | Matsy | Can.. I ask a small WoW question in here as well? ;p |
| 11:28.59 | Arrowmaster | ~asktoask |
| 11:28.59 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 11:29.46 | Matsy | Very well then. Are there any arguments versus Paladins wearing cloth? Since, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50974 is supposedly a very good item for holy paladins. |
| 11:30.55 | Fisker | Yes |
| 11:30.59 | Fisker | "You're a plate user" |
| 11:31.01 | Fisker | otherwise, no |
| 11:31.15 | Matsy | Hah, right. I'll just grab it, then |
| 11:31.18 | foxlit | They may mess with itemization so you're penalized in Cata |
| 11:31.26 | foxlit | But hey, now is not Cata. |
| 11:31.35 | Matsy | Hm, Cataclysm is.. far away. |
| 11:31.40 | Fisker | actually since it's emblems of frost it doesn't even matter that way |
| 11:32.10 | Fisker | i'll agree with the comment though |
| 11:32.20 | Matsy | What comment? |
| 11:32.25 | Fisker | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50027 <-getting that one |
| 11:32.44 | Fisker | basically the same |
| 11:32.48 | Matsy | Yeah, I wish I could get that one, but.. you can't buy that with frosts. |
| 11:32.55 | Fisker | true |
| 11:33.48 | Fisker | need moar loot today |
| 11:33.52 | Matsy | Looking at those comments, I might be even better off with : http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50177#dropped-by |
| 11:34.21 | Fisker | doubt it |
| 11:34.40 | Fisker | MP5 isn't that good since you just stack intellect as a paladin |
| 11:34.50 | Matsy | Well, it's a lot better than crit? |
| 11:35.15 | Fisker | i don't think so |
| 11:35.26 | Fisker | could be wrong though |
| 11:36.04 | Fisker | hmm |
| 11:36.10 | jnwhiteh | reload> |
| 11:36.17 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/03/28/funny-pictures-soo-hungdover/ |
| 11:36.33 | Matsy | Well, I was looking at EJ, and they said: 'it takes 15 points of crit to make up for one point of mp5' or something along those lines |
| 11:36.53 | Fisker | yeah just saw that myself |
| 11:37.23 | Matsy | Gah, why can't they just make proper gear for paladins |
| 11:37.27 | Matsy | This all complicates it so much |
| 11:40.36 | zenzelezz | Slashdot comments about data deduplication: "Let's get down to brass tacks. Does this mean I'll finally be able to store my entire porn collection on a single volume?" "Well, just how repetitive is your porn collection?" "very repetitive. back and fourth. back and fourth. oh wait... that's not what you meant. never mind." |
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| 11:50.04 | jnwhiteh | where's the new option to sort quest objectives by proximity? |
| 11:50.54 | foxlit | Right click on "Objectives (4)" |
| 11:51.39 | foxlit | It's backed by http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SortQuestWatches and a watch update, basically. |
| 11:52.08 | jnwhiteh | thanks. |
| 11:52.16 | zenzelezz | "To answer your question though, increasing the gold cap is a definite possibility for Cataclysm -- though nothing is set in stone yet." - cause 214k isnt' enough for everyone |
| 11:53.04 | Fisker | in cataclysm reagents for raids will cost 1000g a piece |
| 11:53.37 | zenzelezz | and require two bag slots |
| 11:54.16 | Fisker | that reminds us |
| 11:54.21 | Fisker | actually it reminds me |
| 11:54.28 | Fisker | give us a damn mainbag upgrade |
| 11:54.31 | Matsy | .. two bag slots? |
| 11:54.42 | Matsy | How can one item require two bag slots? |
| 11:54.49 | Fisker | actually it's 4 |
| 11:54.53 | Fisker | and by being very large |
| 11:55.03 | Fisker | also we be trolling you |
| 11:55.10 | Matsy | :( |
| 11:55.32 | Fisker | well to be fair we weren't trolling, but you still got trolled |
| 11:55.33 | Fisker | :D |
| 11:56.26 | zenzelezz | Matsy: some (usually single-player) RPGs have either item weight, or item size, to limit how much you can carry. Personally I feel this would be interesting in WoW, but it probably wouldn't be easily balanced |
| 11:56.50 | Matsy | That's what I thought as well, in WoW |
| 11:56.56 | Matsy | That people who would weir plate would move.. more slowly |
| 11:57.06 | Matsy | When I started in '04, or something |
| 11:57.11 | zenzelezz | I remember in Anarchy Online, your main bag had 27 slots (or 30?), but in each slot you could place another bag, so you could have 26*21 slots at least (you needed one slot free to loot) |
| 11:57.20 | zenzelezz | but Items didn't stack much there, so they needed such space |
| 11:57.27 | Matsy | but |
| 11:57.32 | Matsy | could you place bags in those bags in a bag? |
| 11:57.43 | zenzelezz | yes, but only if they were empty |
| 11:57.45 | zenzelezz | so you couldn't chain it |
| 11:57.48 | Matsy | Oh :( |
| 11:57.55 | Wobin | ugh inventory weight would be terrible |
| 11:57.58 | zenzelezz | you bank was absolutely huge |
| 11:58.34 | zenzelezz | Wobin: weight would be the least good option, but size could potentially work. Still probably wouldn't really work, at least not in a "friendly" MMO like WoW |
| 12:01.57 | Fisker | how stupid is that zenzelezz? |
| 12:02.11 | zenzelezz | anyone else get particularly nostalgic looking back at the first MMO they played? |
| 12:02.28 | Fisker | my first mmo was planetside :P |
| 12:02.31 | Fisker | then SWG |
| 12:02.31 | Fisker | so no |
| 12:02.32 | Fisker | :( |
| 12:04.02 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 12:04.29 | Fisker | It's amazing how right Blizzard got the MMO |
| 12:04.43 | zenzelezz | my first was Anarchy Online. Then I tried SWG for about two or three weeks. Went back to AO, tried EQ2 for a couple of weeks, before a friend in the US sent me a copy of WoW |
| 12:05.01 | Fisker | i played AO a bit in the beta |
| 12:05.01 | zenzelezz | but flawed or lacking as it might have been, I had so much fun in AO |
| 12:05.31 | zenzelezz | really? That must be a decade ago at least now |
| 12:05.55 | Fisker | i know :P |
| 12:06.00 | Wobin | hm |
| 12:06.21 | Wobin | I think I played GW for a time, but I can't recall if that was before or during WoW |
| 12:08.00 | zenzelezz | one thing I miss a lot in WoW, that AO had, was item requirements. Not this "level 60, warrior" type, but attribute/skill requirements |
| 12:08.18 | Fisker | ugh i hated that |
| 12:08.35 | Fisker | well more in terms of Diablo 2 anyway :P |
| 12:08.43 | Fisker | having to plan your character from 1-99 is just stupid |
| 12:08.45 | zenzelezz | want this armor on? That'll take 500 strength, 700 stamina. This weapon? 800 MG/SMG, 450 burst. This belt? 475 computer literacy |
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| 12:09.29 | Wobin | item requirements suck |
| 12:09.31 | zenzelezz | twinking into items was so much fun. Having to plan out what buffs and buff armor/items/implants to use to get it on, and how to get your regular stuff back on afterwards |
| 12:10.01 | zenzelezz | Wobin: I do think WoW would be less successful if it had had such item requirements, but some people find it a fun challenge |
| 12:10.40 | Legorol | Guys, this is a heads up, there is a major issue with the mobile authenticator now that EU has rolled over to DST. If you see anyone else having problem with it, here is what happened: |
| 12:10.54 | Legorol | today clocks went forward with one hour in EU, so I set my mobile's clock forward by 1 hour. |
| 12:10.59 | zenzelezz | iPhone/Android/other mobiles? |
| 12:11.00 | Legorol | this broke the authenticator |
| 12:11.06 | Legorol | this was on a nokia 6600 |
| 12:11.17 | Legorol | setting the clock back on my phone allowed me to log in again |
| 12:11.31 | Legorol | i suspect that a lot of people will have the same problem today, so spread the word |
| 12:11.41 | zenzelezz | interesting. Thanks for the heads up |
| 12:12.02 | Legorol | i conclude that the mobile authenticator uses the phone's clock to work out its timestamp, so changing that by an hour surely messes it up |
| 12:12.11 | Legorol | and somehow the server didn't adjust for it |
| 12:12.22 | zenzelezz | lesson: convert to UTC |
| 12:12.39 | zenzelezz | DST is evil |
| 12:12.53 | olafski | < Fisker> having to plan your character from 1-99 is just stupid <-- if they just had respecs it would've been fine ;p |
| 12:12.58 | Wobin | hm, I'm guessing Fisker and Matsy are EU |
| 12:13.07 | olafski | he guesses right! |
| 12:13.23 | Zyn | 14:02.27 ( Fisker ) my first mmo was planetside :P |
| 12:13.24 | zenzelezz | what makes you guess that? |
| 12:13.25 | Zyn | oooooooh yeeeeeeeeesssssssssssss |
| 12:13.37 | Wobin | zenzelezz, they both were having similar authenticator issues |
| 12:13.47 | Wobin | except maybe not the mobile one |
| 12:13.50 | zenzelezz | oh, didn't see that |
| 12:15.10 | zenzelezz | hm, what the heck... my Linux box adjusted for DST last night, I watched it happen... now it's back to pre-DST o_O |
| 12:15.24 | Wobin | It's trying to mess with your mind |
| 12:16.12 | zenzelezz | I am intrigued that issuing a "date -s" triggers my X screensaver |
| 12:20.05 | Legorol | zenzelezz: phew, i just figured out that resynching the authenticator fixes the problem. |
| 12:20.12 | Legorol | i still suspect that a lot of people will be caught out by this |
| 12:22.19 | frontendloader | zenzelezz: if you set it far enough in the future it is probably seen the computer as idle for that "dead zone" |
| 12:22.31 | Arrowmaster | linux boxes dont adjust to dst, they always run on utc, they just decide when to change their local time display for dst |
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| 12:44.52 | Dagmar | zenzeless: Linux uses UTC like Arrowmaster says, but if you dual-boot Windows it likes to change your clock to localtime which subsequently throws Linux an hour off |
| 12:45.14 | Dagmar | er change your clock to match localtime. |
| 12:45.19 | Dagmar | Anyway, Windows is stupid about it. |
| 12:45.30 | Dagmar | Set up ntpd. |
| 12:50.16 | ScytheBlade1 | you CAN reconfigure linux to use local time |
| 12:50.38 | Dagmar | You basically *have* to if you dual-boot Windows |
| 12:50.58 | Dagmar | It's either that or run ntp at boot every time, and let Windows suffer in ignorance |
| 12:51.04 | ScytheBlade1 | or |
| 12:51.05 | ScytheBlade1 | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation] |
| 12:51.05 | ScytheBlade1 | "RealTimeIsUniversal"=dword:00000001 |
| 12:51.25 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: That absolutely does not work properly in XP and I wouldn't trust it in Windows 7 either |
| 12:51.44 | ScytheBlade1 | You know, "it doesn't work in XP" is no longer valid for me |
| 12:51.53 | ScytheBlade1 | SUCKS TO BE YOU, HOW ABOUT YOU UPGRADE AT LEAST ONCE A DECADE |
| 12:52.03 | Dagmar | I'm running W7 64-bit |
| 12:52.10 | Dagmar | Microsoft doesn't ever want to fix it. |
| 12:52.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Well I wasn't speaking to you in specific |
| 12:52.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Just in general |
| 12:52.44 | Dagmar | The number of excuses they've made as to why it should be that way is crazy. |
| 12:53.02 | Dagmar | Most notably, DOS-compatibility, which they've actually dropped already |
| 12:53.33 | Dagmar | 'cuz some poor bastards running an ancient Lotus Notes DOS app has to have the hardware clock in localtime |
| 13:00.15 | Dagmar | I like Echo Bazaar |
| 13:00.29 | Wobin | weren't you mocking it earlier? =) |
| 13:00.34 | Wobin | or was that DWSR? |
| 13:00.39 | Dagmar | Must have been DWSR |
| 13:00.49 | Wobin | what's your twitter account? |
| 13:01.29 | Dagmar | evildagmar |
| 13:02.14 | Dagmar | This thing is kinda whispering "bot me" to me tho' |
| 13:02.35 | Wobin | the countdown on actions kind prevents that |
| 13:02.50 | Wobin | well, it might |
| 13:02.59 | Wobin | but for me the interesting part of the game is reading the snippets =) |
| 13:03.20 | Dagmar | Yeah, I'd have to have it log that for sure |
| 13:06.26 | olafski | mmm .. winxp |
| 13:07.25 | Dagmar | Yes, but "does not work right" means that occasionally the clock will just lurch a full number of hours equal to your offset from UTC |
| 13:18.17 | foxlit | Mikk: could I get you to add a couple of characters to your {{evt}} regex? |
| 13:19.29 | foxlit | It seems to expect that the second parameter will be something like [a-Z ,]+; I'd probably like to get a ? or - in there. |
| 13:47.46 | Matsy | Wow, people offering money for BoP items, things are getting crazy |
| 13:53.26 | olafski | blegh |
| 13:53.34 | olafski | got into a group for LBRS, everybody is dead except me |
| 13:53.37 | olafski | "hi, we're doing UBRS instead" |
| 13:54.04 | olafski | and now I'm on dungeon cooldown but no clue how to see the cooldown =( |
| 13:54.45 | foxlit | olafski: open the LFG frame |
| 13:55.19 | olafski | where in there is it? :s |
| 13:55.43 | olafski | oh now it's there, after a relog |
| 13:56.33 | foxlit | We're talking about the random dungeon cooldown, right? |
| 13:56.43 | foxlit | i.e. you joined a random dungeon group, and they kicked you. |
| 13:56.56 | olafski | I left on my own, but yeah :P |
| 13:57.02 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 13:57.10 | foxlit | That would make you a deserter |
| 13:57.15 | olafski | the cooldown is shown quite big now, but it really wasn't before I relogged |
| 13:57.17 | foxlit | Which means you should've gotten a shiny debuff |
| 13:57.20 | olafski | yeah I thought it would make me that, but it didn't :P |
| 13:57.24 | olafski | I do have a cooldown though |
| 13:57.31 | olafski | maybe because I joined a dungeon that was in progress? |
| 13:57.41 | foxlit | And left fast enough? Maybe. Odd, in any case. |
| 13:57.50 | olafski | if you join a dungeon now you get teleported to the rest of the group btw, that's quite nice |
| 13:57.58 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 13:58.17 | foxlit | Just on top of someone? |
| 13:58.34 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 13:59.02 | olafski | yep :) |
| 14:00.13 | olafski | I'll just do a wintersaber run while I wait =( |
| 14:00.37 | foxlit | There was a patch that changed the UninviteUnit/InviteUnit/...Unit functions take a name instead of (?) a unit ID |
| 14:00.48 | foxlit | What patch was that, and did they really remove the ability to use unitids? |
| 14:01.15 | nevcairiel | i believe it actually did |
| 14:01.19 | foxlit | 3.0.8 |
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| 14:13.25 | olafski | jebus wtf is this.. I get into another group that decided to do ubrs |
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| 14:24.12 | Fisker | having to plan your character from 1-99 is just stupid |
| 14:24.33 | Fisker | wtf |
| 14:24.56 | Trela | Eh? |
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| 14:26.14 | Kraps | dur |
| 14:31.45 | Fisker | olafski foxlit |
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| 14:35.45 | olafski | nice, one person disconnected, another left, now we can't queue for more because someone is offline and can't kick him for some reason |
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| 14:57.41 | DWSR | olafski: There's still a time limit before you can kick someone in a group |
| 14:57.48 | DWSR | I thought that they changed it, but apparently not |
| 14:59.47 | olafski | it didn't even give me an error message = |
| 14:59.48 | olafski | ( |
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| 15:45.03 | nevcairiel | does [group:party] also evaluate to true when in a raid? |
| 15:45.23 | foxlit | Purely hypothetically, it should not |
| 15:45.26 | foxlit | but it might. |
| 15:48.03 | Fisker | there isn't a timelimit DWSR |
| 15:48.12 | Fisker | it's only a bug for disconnected people |
| 15:48.29 | foxlit | You might want to try doing it manually |
| 15:48.49 | olafski | hope they fix that quickly then |
| 15:48.59 | foxlit | olafski: happens often? |
| 15:49.04 | olafski | we had to disband, would've taken ages to finish that run with 3 people |
| 15:49.10 | olafski | dunno, first time I had someone disconnect since the patch |
| 15:50.56 | olafski | we had a nice near wipe in that group too btw.. mage decided to cast slow fall on everyone before we jumped off the bridge in LBRS |
| 15:51.13 | olafski | so everyone except me flew over the rock we were supposed to jump on, into the lava ;D |
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| 16:24.35 | DWSR | Have we got an official release date for Cata yet? |
| 16:24.36 | DWSR | Or no |
| 16:25.58 | Fisker | wednesday |
| 16:26.22 | Fisker | anyway my guess would be just after summer |
| 16:37.28 | DWSR | Just had Tyranis in PoS jump BACK ONTO Rimefang? |
| 16:38.18 | Kraps | known bug |
| 16:38.25 | DWSR | What causes it? |
| 16:38.26 | Kraps | that was "fixed" |
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| 16:38.51 | DWSR | lolya |
| 16:39.16 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23767614599&sid=1 |
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| 16:40.36 | DWSR | lol @ the last issue |
| 16:40.45 | DWSR | Someone made a whoopsie |
| 16:42.12 | Cairenn | wheeee, netsplit |
| 16:43.01 | Adys | woot |
| 16:43.01 | Adys | Cide is gone forever |
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| 16:43.01 | jnwhiteh | Has anyone figured out a good way to get the map coordinates of an objective that doesn't involve the icons being placed on the map and shown? |
| 16:43.34 | Adys | in lua, impossible |
| 16:43.34 | nevcairiel | cant you steal the logic of the function that actually positions the icons? |
| 16:43.34 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: no, that's done in C |
| 16:43.37 | Adys | it's in c |
| 16:43.40 | jnwhiteh | otherwise i'd happily do it =) |
| 16:43.54 | Adys | jnwhiteh: trust me the last thing blizzard wants is me getting all those coordinates :p |
| 16:43.57 | nevcairiel | oh right, the silly function gives map positions, not coordinates |
| 16:44.00 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 16:44.17 | jnwhiteh | what silly function |
| 16:44.25 | jnwhiteh | there's nothing that gives any positions or coordinates |
| 16:44.29 | jnwhiteh | unless the map is updated and shown |
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| 16:45.41 | nevcairiel | i never tested if the function only works if the map is actually visible.. |
| 16:45.41 | nevcairiel | tests |
| 16:45.41 | Adys | it only works if the map is visible |
| 16:45.41 | Kraps | and they're back! |
| 16:46.02 | Kraps | lol KD |
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| 16:55.54 | nevcairiel | Adys: it also works when the map is closed, but the map has to be set to the corrent zone, and it usually switches back when you close it =P |
| 16:55.55 | nevcairiel | correct zone* |
| 16:55.55 | nevcairiel | so you need to know what zone the POI is in before you can use the function |
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| 17:22.48 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid locked channel with the services being down =[ |
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| 17:31.04 | Fisker | with the power of the orb Fisker vil have his vengeance |
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| 17:33.42 | DWSR | I think it's pretty safe to say that Blizzard doesn't really care about hackers. |
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| 17:33.58 | DWSR | My logic pretty much goes as follows |
| 17:34.06 | DWSR | If they cared, they'd log large money transactions |
| 17:34.14 | DWSR | Like, if you give someone 5000g |
| 17:34.45 | foxlit | What makes you think they don't? |
| 17:35.03 | DWSR | The fact that there are still gold-sellers using gold from hacked accounts. |
| 17:36.02 | foxlit | Spell out the connection for me. It seems sketchy |
| 17:37.18 | foxlit | lua> t={1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8} for k,v in ipairs(t) do table.remove(t,k); print(k,v); end |
| 17:37.19 | lua_bot | foxlit: 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 5, 4, 7 |
| 17:37.22 | foxlit | qq. |
| 17:37.45 | foxlit | lua> t={1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8} for k,v in ipairs(t) do table.remove(t,k); print(k .. " => " .. v); end |
| 17:37.46 | lua_bot | foxlit: 1 => 1, 2 => 3, 3 => 5, 4 => 7 |
| 17:37.51 | DWSR | foxlit: there's 2 reasons that I can think of to hack someone's account in WoW |
| 17:38.06 | DWSR | 1) Loot all of their shit and transfer it to one of your toons. |
| 17:38.09 | DWSR | 2) Strictly delete it. |
| 17:38.23 | DWSR | I can see 2) being done only by people who are jealous of someone else's character. |
| 17:38.40 | DWSR | (and have the know how to actually pull something like that off) |
| 17:38.53 | DWSR | 1) Has monetary value attached, thanks to gold sellers. |
| 17:39.12 | DWSR | Someone hacks a person's account, loots everything to one of their toons, then sells the gold to a gold seller for cheap. |
| 17:39.41 | DWSR | Considering that people are greedy as a general rule, monetary gain's a pretty good motivator. |
| 17:40.43 | foxlit | Mm. But why would logging of large transactions help? |
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| 17:40.56 | DWSR | Usually someone is worth a couple thousand gold. |
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| 17:41.27 | DWSR | Even just vendoring bank contents for one of my toons would net about a thousand gold, in addition to what I currently have on my character. |
| 17:42.04 | DWSR | Also, if someone has <1000g on their character or are really poorly geared, you'll notice a general trend of them being left alone. |
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| 17:42.23 | DWSR | It's all about risk/reward ratio. |
| 17:42.48 | DWSR | Everything in WoW can be traced. |
| 17:42.48 | foxlit | What would you do with the transaction data, though? Attempt to reverse them? |
| 17:42.52 | DWSR | No. |
| 17:43.02 | DWSR | Every character belongs to an account. |
| 17:43.11 | Fisker | haha |
| 17:43.23 | Fisker | some guy complaining about the 75% off deals on steam aren't newer games |
| 17:43.29 | Fisker | well duh? |
| 17:43.31 | DWSR | 2) Every gold seller has to have account where they keep gold. |
| 17:44.06 | DWSR | If you notice that toons on account a are regularly trading large sums of gold with toons on account b, you can take a closer look at the activities of said accounts. |
| 17:44.11 | foxlit | Fisker: New plan: complain that people aren't /paying/ me to play CnC4 |
| 17:44.16 | DWSR | IF they're not on the same battle.net account, that's even more suspicious. |
| 17:44.25 | Fisker | true foxlit |
| 17:44.30 | Fisker | but why would you do that anyway? |
| 17:44.46 | Fisker | Infact they do log gold transactions DWSR |
| 17:45.13 | DWSR | Fisker: Then they don't do nearly enough about gold sellers and hackers. |
| 17:45.22 | DWSR | And that's just as bad. |
| 17:45.27 | Fisker | how so? |
| 17:45.30 | foxlit | Or gold laundering is sufficiently advanced. |
| 17:45.32 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 17:45.49 | foxlit | Nobody says they have to keep obscene amounts of gold on one account. |
| 17:45.51 | DWSR | foxlit: The problem is that everything can (and apparently /does/) leave a trail. |
| 17:46.00 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:46.01 | DWSR | In Blizzard's little world, anyway. |
| 17:46.07 | foxlit | DWSR: When that trail passes through half your realm's population, you're in trouble. |
| 17:46.09 | DWSR | This isn't the real world where cash goes missing all the time. |
| 17:46.11 | Fisker | But what are you going to do when the gold are on accounts that have nothing to do with it? |
| 17:46.20 | Fisker | cash doesn't go missing in the real world either |
| 17:46.22 | Fisker | they just change hands |
| 17:46.25 | Fisker | same as here |
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| 17:46.28 | DWSR | foxlit: Blizzard has long since stated that buying gold can get you banned. I'd like to see them start enforcing that. |
| 17:46.40 | DWSR | Fisker: No, cash goes out of circulation all the time. |
| 17:46.45 | Fisker | They do DWSR |
| 17:46.59 | Fisker | People usually don't brag about it though |
| 17:46.59 | DWSR | Fisker: Think about what happens to the fiver slips in between the couch cushions. |
| 17:47.22 | Fisker | i don't care |
| 17:47.31 | Fisker | Blizzard logs it, goldsellers launder the money |
| 17:47.36 | Fisker | solution: hit innocent people |
| 17:47.38 | Fisker | end. |
| 17:47.39 | foxlit | nevcairiel: yes, [group:party] is true in raids. |
| 17:47.51 | foxlit | But I'm sure you've already found it |
| 17:47.59 | Fisker | and i'd rather have goldsellers than people getting banned for no reason |
| 17:48.10 | Fisker | goldsellers are no issue |
| 17:48.15 | Fisker | people are getting worked up over nothing |
| 17:48.16 | nevcairiel | foxlit: i didnt actually bother to continue checking |
| 17:48.21 | nevcairiel | didnt have a raid right now to test |
| 17:48.26 | DWSR | Fisker: Obviously your server doesn't have a huge issue with them. |
| 17:48.48 | DWSR | Fisker: MY server is overrun with gold sellers. Trade's innundated with spam ads, and the economy is completely bollocksed. |
| 17:48.50 | Fisker | I'm sure the problem is pretty much the same everywhere |
| 17:49.00 | DWSR | No, some servers are better than others. |
| 17:49.08 | DWSR | I transferred off of a server that was much better than the one I'm on now. |
| 17:49.51 | Fisker | You don't have to spam in trade you know |
| 17:49.51 | Fisker | For all you know your last realm could've had a lot of "HERRO THERE U HERE?" |
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| 17:50.35 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 17:50.36 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 17:50.46 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 17:50.54 | DWSR | Fisker: Yeah, but I'm working under the pretense that a) gold sellers attempt to spam as many people as possible and that b) a fair sample size (like 50 people over the course of 6 months) would work out to having an approximately average experience. |
| 17:51.25 | DWSR | I get whispers 10+ times a week on my server now. I got <2 on my older server. |
| 17:51.32 | DWSR | Also, trade wasn't nearly as bad. |
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| 17:52.46 | DWSR | Also, I should point out that I'm not expecting Blizzard to a) fix this overnight or b) fix this 100%. |
| 17:53.13 | DWSR | But it's completely rampant right now and it seems to me that either a) they're doing it wrong or b) they're not doing enough. |
| 17:56.45 | DWSR | I like to think that I am reasonable (most of the time) about this sort of thing (or indeed most things), but it's becoming a real issue in my eyes and while I know that lots of people will just go "Turn off Trade" or "Install an anti-spam addon", I shouldn't really have to do these things just to avoid spam in a private virtual ecosystem. |
| 17:56.48 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 17:57.08 | Fisker | i can't use ctrl+click with clique in combat ;_; |
| 17:57.31 | DWSR | In a private virtual ecosystem where I am paying to have access, I expect that shit like this will get taken care of significantly better than it has been as of late. |
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| 17:58.29 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: so configure something to control click? |
| 17:58.30 | foxlit | I find that your experience does not match mine. |
| 17:58.45 | foxlit | Haven't gotten spam whispers since... oh, vanilla? |
| 17:58.54 | DWSR | foxlit: US or EU? |
| 17:58.57 | foxlit | EU |
| 17:59.03 | DWSR | *shrug* I don't know. |
| 17:59.10 | DWSR | Perhaps it's different in the EU, or just on your server. |
| 17:59.11 | Fisker | i have jnwhiteh |
| 17:59.31 | jnwhiteh | 1.) update 2.) test again. |
| 17:59.33 | DWSR | All I know is that this server is fucking awful, and people I talk to who have transferred off have said that it's bad where they are too. |
| 17:59.59 | jnwhiteh | I'm not terribly interesting in wasting time, not right now. |
| 18:00.04 | Fisker | r141-release? |
| 18:00.21 | Fisker | will test with a more spammable ability |
| 18:00.42 | jnwhiteh | cause I just used control-leftclick in combat. |
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| 18:02.25 | Stew-a | is anybody else having a problem with GetFramesRegisteredForEvent crashing the game client? |
| 18:02.54 | kapowaz | hmm, does anybody know if Aloft is currently bugged? |
| 18:02.59 | DWSR | kapowaz: Yeah, it is. |
| 18:03.02 | Fisker | that's just fucked up |
| 18:03.03 | kapowaz | balls. |
| 18:03.06 | DWSR | It causes client instabilities. |
| 18:03.11 | kapowaz | any alternatives? |
| 18:03.14 | Fisker | could it because i made it in a update where it was broken? |
| 18:03.20 | foxlit | Stew-a: seems to work for me. |
| 18:03.27 | DWSR | Acapela's currently busy and hasn't shown me enough of it yet to let me fix it. |
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| 18:03.52 | Fisker | because i was spamming it on grid and nothing happened, then i went out of combat and assigned it to freedom, that worked, then i put it back and it all worked |
| 18:03.53 | Fisker | O_o |
| 18:04.45 | Stew-a | foxlit: ok just me, thanks |
| 18:04.54 | foxlit | Stew-a: any particular event? |
| 18:05.09 | Fisker | sorry for wasting your time then mr. jnwhiteh |
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| 18:06.37 | olafski | ackis: did you really win 100 online matches in DoW2? :S and is the expansion any good? |
| 18:07.09 | Thunder_Child | meh, it's shorter than the first |
| 18:07.13 | Thunder_Child | and it comes with both |
| 18:07.19 | ScytheBlade1 | also vastly improved in terms of quality |
| 18:07.42 | Thunder_Child | i wish i still had my old savegame to import |
| 18:08.56 | Stew-a | foxlit: my bad, i guess i somehow managed to typo on all 3 events i tried, it seems to crash my client when i pass it an event that doesn't exist |
| 18:09.33 | Fisker | anyway DWSR i think you should take a look at other games though |
| 18:09.41 | Fisker | Played Eve online a few months back |
| 18:09.50 | Fisker | and the spam issue was insane |
| 18:10.02 | Fisker | So given WoW's popularity i think they're doing a great job |
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| 18:17.18 | Iriel | I found on my realm there was a noticable quality of wow life improvement way back when they added 'Report as Spam' |
| 18:17.58 | Iriel | I almost never see gold selling spam now, maybe once or twice a week |
| 18:18.27 | DWSR | My realm's fucking horrible. |
| 18:18.35 | DWSR | 24/7 ads. |
| 18:20.03 | Shadowed | It's kind of hard to tell to be fair |
| 18:20.07 | DWSR | You guys all play in the EU? |
| 18:20.14 | Shadowed | Trade is basically a mix of people spamming their dungeon runs 1000000 times |
| 18:20.23 | Shadowed | and other people spamming what they are selling 1000 times |
| 18:20.36 | DWSR | Trade here is about 60% gold spam. |
| 18:20.46 | DWSR | and 30% people trolling about Obama's healthcare bill. |
| 18:20.56 | DWSR | and 9.9% LFG |
| 18:20.57 | Iriel | I turn off trade, maybe that's why i feel it's not so bad |
| 18:21.50 | Dagmar | I have InfiniteIgnore. |
| 18:22.01 | nevcairiel | trade here is 70% LFD, 29% trade, and 1% spam |
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| 18:22.17 | nevcairiel | s/LFD/LFG/ |
| 18:22.21 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 18:22.42 | kneeki | lua> for bag = 0, 4 do print(bag) end |
| 18:22.46 | lua_bot | kneeki: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 |
| 18:23.33 | Shirik | Windows Explorer has stopped working |
| 18:23.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It frequently does |
| 18:24.08 | Shirik | I might have just found a security vulnerability in explorer |
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| 18:24.21 | Iriel | Shirik: The user? |
| 18:24.24 | Shirik | no |
| 18:24.28 | Dagmar | You and hundreds of teenage kids |
| 18:24.44 | Shirik | a malformed ZIP file at least causes it to crash, but the crash is typical of a buffer overflow |
| 18:25.14 | olafski | iriel: I have all public channels turned off.. so nice |
| 18:25.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 18:25.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 18:25.45 | olafski | man those random dungeon rewards are so nice in vanilla |
| 18:25.55 | olafski | shame they suck in the 60-70 range |
| 18:26.02 | Shirik | oh ha |
| 18:26.07 | Shirik | it wasn't explorer responsible for the crash |
| 18:26.09 | Shirik | it was winrar |
| 18:26.20 | olafski | a winrar is you! |
| 18:27.23 | kneeki | Any ideas why the following code doesn't check all bag slots? http://www.wowi.pastey.net/134665 It does check them all on the first bag (and sells the items), but the remaining bags is sporratic, sometimes only selling no items, or the first or second grey then skips to the next bag |
| 18:28.27 | olafski | you're trying to make another grey selling addon? :( |
| 18:28.48 | kneeki | olafski: If I could learn to code better by using addons, I'd be a master. ;) |
| 18:28.54 | olafski | :) |
| 18:29.08 | olafski | I can't see what's wrong.. not the best coder in the world either ;) |
| 18:29.31 | kneeki | It's very strange. the first bag is done perfectly (bag 0), but every bag after which only the first few slots are scanned |
| 18:29.45 | olafski | for bag=0,4 do |
| 18:29.46 | olafski | for slot=1,GetContainerNumSlots(bag) do |
| 18:29.54 | olafski | that's how I do it.. seems to be the same |
| 18:30.01 | DWSR | kneeki |
| 18:30.04 | DWSR | Not to sound mean. |
| 18:30.06 | olafski | hm I don't actually check if there are less than 5 bags :o |
| 18:30.11 | DWSR | But could you please for the love of god make your code readable? |
| 18:30.23 | kneeki | DWSR: What do you mean? I selected Lua |
| 18:30.32 | olafski | seems readable to me |
| 18:30.47 | DWSR | olafski & kneeki: whitespace is your friend. kthx. |
| 18:30.49 | olafski | kneeki: there's a built in method to format money btw |
| 18:30.58 | olafski | dwsr: go away |
| 18:31.01 | kneeki | olafski: oh? |
| 18:31.06 | olafski | his code looks fine |
| 18:31.10 | kneeki | DWSR: Eh? |
| 18:31.18 | olafski | kneeki: GetCoinTextureString(repairCost, iconSize) |
| 18:31.20 | kneeki | I'm all for suggestions, an example would be great |
| 18:31.32 | olafski | !api GetCoinTextureString |
| 18:31.33 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'GetCoinTextureString'. |
| 18:31.36 | olafski | hmmmm |
| 18:31.54 | DWSR | kneeki: http://www.wowi.pastey.net/134666 <-- hihi |
| 18:32.02 | olafski | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCoinTextureString |
| 18:32.16 | DWSR | All of that is optional, but makes for more readable code. |
| 18:32.26 | kneeki | DWSR: How is that different than what I do? |
| 18:32.32 | DWSR | if this then dothat() end |
| 18:32.36 | olafski | I see a lot of letters dwsr, but all I really read is "qqqqqqqqq" |
| 18:32.44 | DWSR | It's like a runon sentence. |
| 18:32.57 | olafski | such small statements can easily go on one line |
| 18:32.59 | kneeki | olafski: Oh wow! that's awesome :D |
| 18:33.16 | olafski | =) |
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| 18:33.30 | kneeki | DWSR: Could you take a moment to edit some of my pasty with your example? |
| 18:33.56 | olafski | kneeki: he means stuff like line 20, 27, 31 in your paste |
| 18:34.00 | DWSR | olafski: They can just as easily go on multiple lines. Since we're dealing with a language which makes lots of syntax optional (like brackets around conditionals and line terminators), it makes everything a hell of a lot more readable to have things spaced out onto their own lines. |
| 18:34.25 | olafski | and line 44 |
| 18:34.36 | taleden | anyone know offhand when Ferocious Inspiration, Abominable Might, Unleashed Rage, Rampage and Elemental Oath were removed? or ideally just a current breakdown of (de)buff categories? |
| 18:34.55 | DWSR | taleden: They weren't removed. |
| 18:34.58 | DWSR | taleden: They are now auras. |
| 18:35.00 | olafski | hell dwsr, rant all you want.. ever since you wrongly "corrected" me on java syntax and refused to admit it your opinion on programming matters little to me ;) |
| 18:35.02 | Dagmar | Ferocious Inspiration wasn't removed |
| 18:35.10 | taleden | ah, maybe they just got new spellids assigned |
| 18:35.44 | DWSR | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53138 |
| 18:36.04 | olafski | bleh 5 times DM east today.. I'll just quest to 58 =( |
| 18:36.09 | Dagmar | FI was changed to be a permabuff this patch |
| 18:36.24 | DWSR | Dagmar: Same with IIT, AM, UR, etc. |
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| 18:36.27 | DWSR | Most things wer |
| 18:36.28 | DWSR | were* |
| 18:36.38 | taleden | yeah, looks like just the spellids changed |
| 18:36.46 | foxlit | Wow, this gunship bug is amazing |
| 18:36.46 | taleden | or at least the ones I was using to get the localized name of those auras were removed, but others remain |
| 18:36.54 | foxlit | Or, rather, desync |
| 18:37.42 | Dagmar | foxlit: If you get summoned to a BG while on the gunship, it takes the gunship with you? |
| 18:37.45 | foxlit | Our ship appears docked to saurfang's ramp; enemy ship is somewhere like 100 yards away |
| 18:38.05 | olafski | dagmar: :D |
| 18:38.08 | DWSR | Shadowed |
| 18:38.12 | Shadowed | hrm? |
| 18:38.13 | Dagmar | Hey it was a hope |
| 18:38.58 | DWSR | Shadowed: Is there a way to configure SUF's party frames to by 2x2 as opposed to just a column of 4? |
| 18:39.07 | Shadowed | enable advanced settings |
| 18:39.14 | Shadowed | go to the party config and change it then |
| 18:39.16 | DWSR | ah, there. |
| 18:39.20 | DWSR | Yeah, I thought I did have them on. |
| 18:39.27 | DWSR | thanks |
| 18:39.37 | Dagmar | Sheesh. I'm heading for the sanatorium at this rate |
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| 18:40.24 | kneeki | Ah ha! I found my problem. It's hitting a blank spot, causing the ID to be nil, which is breaking the loop. Is it possible to break a sub loop within a loop? |
| 18:41.05 | olafski | can't you change the loop to not break like that? |
| 18:41.14 | kneeki | Yeah |
| 18:42.07 | kneeki | http://www.wowi.pastey.net/134667 |
| 18:42.08 | kneeki | =) |
| 18:42.08 | Iriel | Skip instead of stop. |
| 18:42.51 | Iriel | You did the same thing at line 17 |
| 18:42.56 | Iriel | You're assuming the bags are contiguous |
| 18:42.59 | Iriel | They dont have to be |
| 18:43.12 | kneeki | ah |
| 18:43.14 | kneeki | thanks =) |
| 18:43.49 | olafski | I don't think you have to declare bag and slot like that btw |
| 18:43.55 | Iriel | I think that code's entirely readable too |
| 18:44.02 | Iriel | olafski is correct |
| 18:44.09 | Iriel | loop variables are implicitly local |
| 18:44.31 | Iriel | Out of interest, why did you go: if not MinimalisqueDB.AutoSellGrey == true then return end |
| 18:44.42 | Adys | !api floor |
| 18:44.45 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'math.floor' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-math.floor |
| 18:44.47 | Iriel | rather than if (not MinimalisqueDB.AutoSellGrey) then return end |
| 18:44.49 | Adys | .. |
| 18:45.14 | kneeki | Iriel: Is there a difference? |
| 18:45.20 | kneeki | Or is one way better than the other |
| 18:45.38 | Iriel | I'd say implicit readability, otherwise they're mostly the same |
| 18:45.56 | Iriel | It's wierd to see if not X == Y, rather than if X ~= Y in general |
| 18:45.59 | kneeki | Yeah, hrm. |
| 18:46.17 | Iriel | But also, if you're doing a boolean compare, it's more "lua traditional" to omit the == true, so any 'true' value works |
| 18:47.27 | kneeki | Yeah, good point. =D |
| 18:47.45 | Iriel | Also, I think it's wierd you did used ID instead of id at line 20, seems inconsistent, but it's not a big deal 8-) |
| 18:47.58 | Iriel | I wont pretend to be 100% consistent myself, I just aspire to try and be |
| 18:48.16 | Cairenn | ~poke KarlKFI |
| 18:48.17 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind KarlKFI, pokes KarlKFI repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 18:48.19 | kneeki | I like using all cap letters for variables for some reason |
| 18:48.47 | Iriel | kneeki: But you didn't anywhere else, thus the wierdness |
| 18:49.00 | kneeki | That's because I'm suck |
| 18:49.05 | Cairenn | ~poke Cide |
| 18:49.05 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cide, pokes Cide repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 18:49.13 | Dagmar | No, using all-caps varnames all the time means you suck. |
| 18:49.28 | Dagmar | Not using them for variables which are neither global nor constant is non-suck |
| 18:49.33 | olafski | I tend to use those for constants |
| 18:49.55 | Dagmar | The two places coders use allcaps variable names are globals and constants. |
| 18:49.55 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: at least he's CONSTantly using them for variable names |
| 18:49.59 | kneeki | Dagmar: Why is it wrong to use all cap var names? |
| 18:50.02 | olafski | bleh there's a "bug" in my addon but I don't want to fix it =( |
| 18:50.02 | Iriel | Yeah, I tent to use all caps for constanrs only |
| 18:50.12 | Cide | Cairenn: hi |
| 18:50.13 | Dagmar | People who use languages which require allcaps variable names don't count, as they're playing with toys. |
| 18:50.17 | zenzelezz | Iriel goes camping with his code? |
| 18:50.23 | olafski | just a convention thing kneeki |
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| 18:51.20 | Dagmar | kneeki: Because that's been the convention coders have used for just about as long as we've been able to use lowercase letters in variable names. Allcaps is a hint that it's either a global or a constant (which is likely also going to be global lol) |
| 18:51.25 | Iriel | Conventions rarely help you WRITE code |
| 18:51.36 | Dagmar | They do however help you READ it |
| 18:51.41 | Iriel | But they frequently help others read it more easily (or you read it yourself at some later date) |
| 18:51.49 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: only if you're familiar with the conventions |
| 18:51.50 | kneeki | Ah |
| 18:52.07 | Dagmar | zenzless: Most sentient beings can figure them out after a very short time indeed |
| 18:52.09 | Iriel | zenzelezz: I agree that using a 'common convention' is helpful |
| 18:52.23 | Iriel | But even without one, a codebase that's internally consistent is much easier to read than one that isn't |
| 18:52.28 | Iriel | even if it uses an unusual convention |
| 18:52.29 | kneeki | Good point though. All caps for constants helps with readability |
| 18:52.30 | zenzelezz | hey, I'm for using the convention; what I'm saying is not everyone knows about them |
| 18:53.01 | Dagmar | zenzeless: Yes. There's people out there who do time computations in localtime too, but we don't hold that against them. We just give them free condoms. |
| 18:53.08 | olafski | I just copy what other people do in lua |
| 18:53.15 | Iriel | And hope they dont write long running programs |
| 18:53.38 | zenzelezz | it would be fun to write a big open source project that required variable names, function names, etc. to all be LeEt CaSe |
| 18:53.48 | kneeki | olafski: same here =) |
| 18:54.12 | Iriel | zenzelezz: it's get forked within minutes |
| 18:54.35 | zenzelezz | Iriel: yes, but it would piss them off while doing it |
| 18:54.40 | Dagmar | zenzless: excessive bicapitalization (and it's redHead stepChild) are definitely hateful in the eyes of god |
| 18:55.00 | zenzelezz | I don't mind the stepchild |
| 18:55.15 | zenzelezz | better than excessively_underscored_names |
| 18:55.16 | Iriel | What's wrong with camelcase? |
| 18:55.24 | nevcairiel | i dont mind either |
| 18:55.25 | Dagmar | "excessive" |
| 18:55.31 | nevcairiel | much better thenjustconcatingthewords |
| 18:55.38 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 18:55.52 | Dagmar | I agree there, but you occasionally find a coder who thinks that function names need to form a complete sentence. |
| 18:56.03 | kneeki | ... |
| 18:56.08 | kneeki | Not that I have ever done that |
| 18:56.12 | kneeki | -.- |
| 18:56.25 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: those can be annoying |
| 18:56.41 | Iriel | Yes well, anyone who thinks THE_MAXIMUM_NUMBER_OF_BAG_SLOTS is a good variable name needs to be forced to code for a month without an IDE |
| 18:56.51 | Dagmar | I've written lines of code that make a complete sentence, but never have I designed a function named countingAllKittensInTheBox.russianBluesFirst() |
| 18:56.57 | nevcairiel | yeah, at least skip the THE_ |
| 18:57.11 | Dagmar | Iriel: Whack their fingers with a ruler |
| 18:57.14 | zenzelezz | pfft, that's a silly name |
| 18:57.28 | zenzelezz | everyone knows it should be THIS_IS_THE_ABSOLUTE_MAXIMUM_NUMBER_OF_BAG_SLOTS |
| 18:57.41 | zenzelezz | _EX |
| 18:57.46 | Iriel | Anyone knows you'd write that function as countAllKittensInTheBox(KittenSelectionStrategy strategy) |
| 18:57.49 | olafski | such names have nothing to do with why camelcase is bad though |
| 18:58.11 | zenzelezz | we're dissing every scheme olafski, not just camel |
| 18:58.25 | olafski | oh great |
| 18:58.27 | olafski | all programming sucks |
| 18:58.38 | Dagmar | No, just a few things like excessive bicapitalization |
| 18:58.42 | Iriel | I like camel case, I use it all the time and require it at work |
| 18:58.52 | olafski | it's good iriel :) |
| 18:58.57 | Iriel | I think the underlying objection was terrible NAMES |
| 18:59.12 | Iriel | Rather than their representation, and I wish dearly I could automate detection of those |
| 18:59.17 | zenzelezz | personally I like tricapitalization |
| 18:59.21 | Dagmar | At best a varname should be an adjective-noun pair, so if you need more than three words allsquishedintogetherforanyreason you're probably burning yourself |
| 19:00.01 | olafski | zenzelezz: yeah, lowercase, uppercase and superscript |
| 19:01.10 | Iriel | Why not add circled letters while you're at it |
| 19:01.21 | Iriel | They all have unicode characters |
| 19:01.21 | zenzelezz | and bi-directionality |
| 19:01.51 | Dagmar | I dont' even want to think about the stuff guys who are familiar with RTL languages deal with in their heads |
| 19:06.27 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5503863/tetris-the-anti+nightmare-fuel |
| 19:15.04 | Adys | Kraps: years old |
| 19:15.04 | Adys | http://kotaku.com/5125352/tetris-spells-trauma-relief |
| 19:16.04 | Kraps | why post it again? |
| 19:16.34 | Shirik | lol 4chan http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&details=2377618 |
| 19:16.47 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Lol at _EX |
| 19:16.54 | Shirik | you been doing too much Win32 programming lately? |
| 19:17.32 | Adys | Kraps: same reason slashdot editors post 10 years old stuff |
| 19:19.18 | Fisker | stop messing with 4chan Shirik |
| 19:19.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you tweak a lot of the filters |
| 19:19.59 | Shirik | yes I do |
| 19:20.25 | Shirik | It's rare if a day goes by that I don't touch one: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Shirik |
| 19:21.44 | Fisker | i was once wrongly accused of vandalism! |
| 19:22.00 | Shirik | somehow I think that's a lie |
| 19:22.04 | Thunder_Child | all the rest of the time they were correctr |
| 19:22.07 | Thunder_Child | correct* |
| 19:22.18 | Fisker | no it had like a user based on my ip |
| 19:22.45 | Fisker | so one day i logged in and saw there was a talk for my ip that was a few months old :P |
| 19:22.51 | Fisker | with some "OMG DON'T VANDALISM BRO" |
| 19:25.35 | Shirik | Did you miss the "If this is a shared IP address, and you didn't make any unconstructive edits, consider creating an account for yourself so you can avoid further irrelevant warnings." at the bottom? |
| 19:26.48 | Fisker | http://translationparty.com/#7039367 |
| 19:26.56 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 19:27.29 | Fisker | did you miss the thick layer of sarcasm and indifference that covered my story? |
| 19:27.43 | Shirik | you be trollin |
| 19:27.54 | Fisker | definitely |
| 19:27.55 | Shirik | also, I can't believe you just said that |
| 19:28.05 | Fisker | :? |
| 19:28.09 | Shirik | that was possibly the most insightful and thoughtful sentence I've ever seen you write |
| 19:28.13 | Fisker | :( |
| 19:28.37 | Shirik | <3 |
| 19:28.56 | Fisker | i get crazy when my server goes down |
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| 19:29.47 | Stanzilla | mid raid |
| 19:29.48 | Stanzilla | <.< |
| 19:29.57 | Fisker | yeah |
| 19:30.02 | Fisker | rotface hc on 25% |
| 19:30.07 | adimit | Are EU servers down for anyone else? Can't log in at all :-\ |
| 19:30.14 | foxlit | They have issues. |
| 19:30.16 | Fisker | they're semi-fucked atm adimit |
| 19:30.18 | foxlit | But they're not down as such |
| 19:30.34 | Shirik | ha http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129139299752819459.jpg |
| 19:30.34 | foxlit | People can't log on, all the same. |
| 19:30.45 | adimit | Yeah, the instance servers are online. I was in LBRS for a while, but my gf couldn't log on to the world servers... |
| 19:30.50 | Fisker | some can |
| 19:31.01 | foxlit | /who Dalaran still gives people |
| 19:31.10 | Fisker | that's why it's semi-fucked |
| 19:31.17 | Fisker | we have half our raid sitting infront of rotface with no issues |
| 19:31.30 | Fisker | but we have the other half slamming the login to get in :P |
| 19:33.15 | adimit | What I don't get is that wow-europe's realmstats still show each and every server as 'online.' I guess they haven't yet really detected the outage... :-\ |
| 19:37.14 | p3lim | hm I think the eu login servers are messed up |
| 19:37.26 | p3lim | aswell battle.net aint responding |
| 19:40.30 | olafski | which battlegroup are you on fisker? |
| 19:43.50 | Kraps | http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:BbVu1-lzZzgJ:hutaree.com/+hutaree&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us |
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| 19:48.02 | tem | Anyone notice the replay interface get all wonky after the patch this week? |
| 19:48.11 | ScytheBlade1 | wonky? |
| 19:48.12 | tem | I couldn't click on the minimap to move my "viewport" |
| 19:48.36 | tem | and the shortcut keys for the little information box (d for production, u for units, etc) did nothing |
| 19:48.58 | tem | it was really irritating |
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| 19:49.20 | Smirk | Howdy |
| 19:49.41 | Fisker | cyclone olafski |
| 19:49.47 | Fisker | but it's affecting all servers apparently |
| 19:49.56 | olafski | oh |
| 19:50.08 | olafski | I'm having no trouble, not seeing anyone talk about it in general either |
| 19:50.17 | olafski | but my gf is on cyclone and they just called the raid |
| 19:50.48 | Fisker | well not all are affected |
| 19:51.03 | Fisker | We had half our raid disconnect, the other half stayed on just fine |
| 19:51.13 | Fisker | the half trying to login is just stuck on "Connected" |
| 19:51.28 | Smirk | Comcast users were having that issue a few days ago |
| 19:53.17 | Fisker | this is the eu servers :P |
| 19:53.46 | olafski | yeah fisker, but I'd expect the general chat to be filled with qq about it if half the people were gone ;p |
| 19:53.51 | Fisker | from who? |
| 19:53.55 | Fisker | The people who have no issues? |
| 19:53.56 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 19:55.00 | olafski | yes.. on my gf's realm icecrown general chat is flooded with it |
| 19:55.08 | olafski | "zomg I'm the only one online in my raid" |
| 19:55.20 | Smirk | Sounds like it's time to ninja the lootz |
| 19:56.13 | olafski | if you can solo the bosses you might as well do that instead of raid |
| 19:57.00 | Smirk | lol |
| 19:57.26 | Smirk | Hey, would you guys happen to know where I could find a kind of "hello world" type tutorial for creating addons for wow? |
| 19:58.18 | A-KO | /script print("Hello World"); within WoW :P |
| 19:58.33 | olafski | http://www.wowwiki.com/Getting_started_with_writing_addons might be a start |
| 19:58.38 | Smirk | Woot. One step closer! |
| 19:58.45 | Smirk | thanks much olafski :D |
| 19:59.02 | Smirk | I clicked around but kept finding a more advanced one >:| |
| 19:59.23 | Fisker | could be combined olafski |
| 19:59.28 | Fisker | you can't login to any realm right now |
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| 19:59.35 | Fisker | But it might be that only cyclone had the disconnect issue |
| 19:59.43 | Fisker | idk |
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| 20:10.15 | tlund | When did the TCP-port on the server change from 3724 to 1119? |
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| 20:10.34 | ScytheBlade1 | With SC2. |
| 20:10.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, we're in #wowuidev |
| 20:10.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Good question. |
| 20:11.11 | tlund | yeah, i was talking about wow, sorry for the confusion |
| 20:11.19 | ScytheBlade1 | No, my mistake |
| 20:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | (but fwiw, SC2 uses 1119 for data exclusively) |
| 20:11.32 | tlund | just noticed today that the persistant connection to my realm, when i am logged in has switched port |
| 20:11.48 | tlund | yeah, i guess its part of the whole battle.net 2.0 harmonisation |
| 20:11.57 | ScytheBlade1 | looks like |
| 20:11.57 | ScytheBlade1 | $ cat /etc/services | grep 1119 |
| 20:11.57 | ScytheBlade1 | bnetgame 1119/tcp # Battle.net Chat/Game Protocol |
| 20:11.58 | ScytheBlade1 | bnetgame 1119/udp # Battle.net Chat/Game Protocol |
| 20:12.29 | tlund | $ tail -2 /etc/services |
| 20:12.29 | tlund | # Local services |
| 20:12.29 | tlund | wow 3724/tcp # World of Warcraft |
| 20:12.30 | tlund | :) |
| 20:12.41 | ScytheBlade1 | hm |
| 20:12.46 | ScytheBlade1 | that was 'blizwow' the last time I saw that |
| 20:12.47 | ScytheBlade1 | not 'wow' |
| 20:12.49 | tlund | i also have my realm in /etc/hosts to be able to do "tcptraceroute <realm> wow" |
| 20:13.09 | tlund | ScytheBlade1: im running debian, your /etc/services is probably from some other dist |
| 20:13.24 | tlund | (i added that one myself) |
| 20:13.27 | ScytheBlade1 | tlund: fedora.. which is generally a bit quicker on the uptake |
| 20:13.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah. |
| 20:13.30 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd do it. |
| 20:13.41 | ScytheBlade1 | blizwow 3724/tcp # World of Warcraft |
| 20:13.42 | ScytheBlade1 | blizwow 3724/udp # World of Warcraft |
| 20:13.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ official entries |
| 20:13.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 20:13.59 | tlund | i would claim that they are in no way official :) |
| 20:14.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers disagrees |
| 20:14.23 | nevcairiel | what official gnu package would contain the services file? :d |
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| 20:14.59 | tlund | ScytheBlade1: oooh. yeah, i was wrong |
| 20:15.43 | tlund | nevcairiel: in debian its part of netbase |
| 20:15.47 | Shirik | loooooooooooool fail |
| 20:15.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Blizzard has indeed gone through and registered their port numbers with IANA, along with a description of what the protocol should be named |
| 20:15.59 | Shirik | Qt creator won't let me set up my application shortcuts like I want |
| 20:16.06 | Fisker | lol |
| 20:16.10 | Shirik | I can't make alt+f4 close my program because pressing alt+f4 closes Qt creator |
| 20:16.22 | ScytheBlade1 | lol epic |
| 20:16.33 | nevcairiel | you need to actually define a alt-f4 shortcut in Qt? |
| 20:17.13 | Shirik | oh maybe not |
| 20:17.16 | Shirik | I didn't think about that |
| 20:23.16 | cogwheel | -_- Just logged into my vista installation for the first time in months. It's an update orgy. |
| 20:23.44 | cogwheel | 7 mins later I have a usable-ish desktop >< |
| 20:24.10 | ScytheBlade1 | 7 minutes? |
| 20:24.11 | Shirik | only 7? |
| 20:24.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Better than XP |
| 20:24.18 | ScytheBlade1 | By a factor of at least 3 |
| 20:25.55 | cogwheel | except for a rough patch when I had way to much crap installed that I never used, I always felt that vista's startup was snappier than XP's |
| 20:26.05 | cogwheel | for the same age of the install |
| 20:27.13 | cogwheel | too* |
| 20:27.30 | Fisker | untrue ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:27.34 | Fisker | SC2 also uses 1120 |
| 20:27.34 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 20:27.39 | ScytheBlade1 | not antmore |
| 20:27.41 | ScytheBlade1 | *anymore |
| 20:27.44 | ScytheBlade1 | They removed that one |
| 20:27.47 | ScytheBlade1 | 1119 only now |
| 20:27.47 | Fisker | when did they change that? |
| 20:27.49 | Fisker | ;o |
| 20:27.54 | ScytheBlade1 | not sure, but not long ago |
| 20:28.44 | tlund | Starting Windows 7 with my intel SSD is _TOO_ fast. When i get to the password prompt, the G15 keyboard has not finished initializing yet, and I have to wait a few seconds before I can type it in. :) |
| 20:29.08 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 20:30.02 | nevcairiel | tlund: i had that too, make sure that the HID service is on automatic start and not manuel start, or it'll take a few seconds longer |
| 20:30.27 | nevcairiel | manual* |
| 20:30.32 | tlund | hmmm |
| 20:31.02 | tlund | it is indeed set to manual right now. |
| 20:31.03 | tlund | thanks! |
| 20:32.18 | adimit | These steps helped my gf get online, btw: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=2843905589&pageNo=1&sid=1#2 |
| 20:32.31 | adimit | I'll have to figure out how to do that on my linux box though. |
| 20:32.42 | foxlit | Flushing the DNS cache? |
| 20:32.49 | wereHamster | ~seen whitehead |
| 20:32.51 | purl | whitehead <n=live@81.84.228.15> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 159d 21h 30m 34s ago, saying: 'i'd like to watch the events in /var/log in real time, is there an app to do it? i dont want tail -f & friends, can be gtk/kde/web server w mysql.'. |
| 20:32.55 | DWSR | adimit: That's pretty straight forward. |
| 20:33.01 | nevcairiel | all those steps imply that its a local error |
| 20:33.03 | nevcairiel | which i doubt |
| 20:33.04 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 20:35.14 | adimit | Hm... seems to be working again. |
| 20:39.16 | mikma | damn, torchlight is fun |
| 20:39.29 | mikma | well spent 4e |
| 20:42.50 | jnwhiteh | wereHamster: ... |
| 20:42.52 | jnwhiteh | wereHamster: <-- |
| 20:42.53 | jnwhiteh | fail. |
| 20:42.55 | zenzelezz | http://averagecats.com/2099 |
| 20:43.03 | jnwhiteh | and welcome back! |
| 20:43.38 | wereHamster | jnwhiteh: ah, I didn't realize you were here. I heard you were in zurich and met one of my friends :) |
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| 20:43.49 | jnwhiteh | Yeah =) |
| 20:43.55 | Kraps | zenzelezz: nice |
| 20:43.57 | jnwhiteh | Small world, as per usual |
| 20:44.26 | Shirik | seriously, have we run out of barbie variants? |
| 20:44.48 | Shirik | I just saw a commercial that went "Barbie training pups...What will he do, puppy pee, or puppy poo?" |
| 20:46.08 | jnwhiteh | wereHamster: always cool to meet people like that tho =) |
| 20:52.34 | zenzelezz | "is it possible to be happy" - I didn't know there were so many emo people searching on Google |
| 20:55.46 | Fisker | you shouldn't have jnwhiteh |
| 20:56.14 | Fisker | old tlund :( |
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| 21:12.17 | zenzelezz | youtube... why would you have a static hyperlink to "all comments" rather than an ajax call? x.x |
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| 21:18.53 | Shirik | Tornado warning for the following county: Brevard County, Florida |
| 21:18.55 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:19.00 | Shirik | yay for emergency radios though |
| 21:20.48 | Cide | don't you die on me Shirik! |
| 21:21.27 | Adys | yeah Shirik |
| 21:21.31 | Adys | go die on someone else already |
| 21:21.37 | Shirik | Adys |
| 21:21.39 | Shirik | Qt is so awesome |
| 21:21.52 | Shirik | I didn't realize how flexible it allows the UI to remain |
| 21:21.57 | Shirik | like able to move panels, etc. |
| 21:21.58 | Adys | did you end up convincing whatever that troll was yesterday? |
| 21:22.07 | Shirik | he's not a troll lol |
| 21:22.13 | Adys | Im still unsure |
| 21:22.19 | Adys | suggesting MFC as an alternative |
| 21:22.26 | Adys | either he's a troll or he's completely fucking clueless |
| 21:22.47 | Shirik | different people have different beliefs |
| 21:23.01 | Adys | i dont argue with that |
| 21:23.37 | Adys | also what was it again? |
| 21:23.41 | Adys | Qt interfaces are ugly? |
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| 21:24.19 | Adys | it's like saying "Painting sucks because picasso is shit" |
| 21:25.46 | A-KO | oh hell yeah! Temperatures gonna rise back up to around 80F (26C) by the end of the week :D |
| 21:25.47 | A-KO | woot |
| 21:25.59 | Adys | A-KO: come to greece |
| 21:26.01 | A-KO | This weekend's gonna be one great weekend |
| 21:26.05 | Adys | we are already nearing 30C |
| 21:26.21 | Adys | happened really fast, too... |
| 21:26.36 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 21:26.46 | A-KO | Adys: Weather here has been a bit strange. Last week/weekend we were around 20-22C, then the past few days it actually got down to around 5C daytime high, and slowly warming back up over the next few days, reaching 26C by the end of the week. |
| 21:32.54 | Shirik | Why does the central US suck at weather? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Annual_severe_thunderstorm_watch_frequency_in_the_United_States.svg |
| 21:33.18 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Annual_tornado_watch_frequency_in_the_United_States.svg |
| 21:46.49 | DWSR | Shirik: Well. |
| 21:46.57 | DWSR | <@Shirik>Why does the central US suck at weather? |
| 21:47.01 | DWSR | <@Shirik>Why does the US suck at weather? |
| 21:47.04 | DWSR | <@Shirik>Why does the US suck ? |
| 21:47.26 | DWSR | amidoinirite? |
| 21:49.41 | zenzelezz | "it right" or "irate"? |
| 21:49.56 | DWSR | I was going for the islander. |
| 21:49.58 | DWSR | irie |
| 21:52.00 | Shirik | the islander is a good song |
| 21:53.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you need to move north more |
| 21:53.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: say, ~600 miles or more |
| 21:53.23 | ScytheBlade1 | wants Shirik to whine about the cold in 50F weather |
| 21:53.33 | Shirik | you lie |
| 21:53.36 | Shirik | it doesn't get down to 50F |
| 21:53.38 | Shirik | people would die |
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| 21:53.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: ^ |
| 21:54.07 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:55.36 | ScytheBlade1 | actually, people in the EU died when it hit 95F... |
| 21:56.42 | DWSR | That's not even that hot.. |
| 21:56.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave |
| 21:57.00 | zenzelezz | depends where in Europe it was |
| 21:57.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ore than 37,451 Europeans died as a result of the heat wave. |
| 21:57.08 | ScytheBlade1 | s/ore/More/ |
| 21:57.14 | recluse | sounds like a cool summer day around here |
| 21:57.33 | foxlit | "More than 37,451 Europeans died as a result of the heat wave." << whee? |
| 21:57.33 | zenzelezz | but you would be used to (and prepared for) such temperatures |
| 21:57.47 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) Drink some water 2) ??? 3) Don't die |
| 21:58.03 | zenzelezz | tell that to all the elderly who couldn't take care of themselves |
| 21:59.22 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
| 22:01.44 | foxlit | I do wonder about that number, though |
| 22:03.03 | foxlit | They're probably going by the amount of reported deaths with heat wave as the cause |
| 22:03.39 | foxlit | It'd be more interesting to see (Death rate under heat weave - Death rate without heat wave) * heat wave duration. |
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| 22:11.14 | DWSR | Is there a way to clear the chat frame? |
| 22:11.29 | foxlit | :Clear()? |
| 22:11.52 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 22:11.54 | DWSR | Thank you |
| 22:11.55 | foxlit | i.e. ChatFrame1:Clear() |
| 22:12.01 | DWSR | Just moved Trade into its own chat window. |
| 22:12.04 | DWSR | And |
| 22:12.08 | DWSR | sighs |
| 22:12.17 | zenzelezz | now you don't get any chat anymore |
| 22:12.24 | DWSR | And it's wonderful. |
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| 22:26.02 | recluse | Is it possible to: local aString = "Put this into the clipboard?" |
| 22:27.32 | zenzelezz | do you mean whether you can copy text to or from the clipboard in WoW lua? |
| 22:28.31 | Fisker | zenzelezz DWSR foxlit |
| 22:28.34 | Fisker | hello thar |
| 22:28.48 | zenzelezz | no u |
| 22:29.02 | foxlit | Gah. |
| 22:29.10 | foxlit | my table.sort function is being passed a nil argument. |
| 22:29.13 | foxlit | That's not good. |
| 22:29.18 | Kraps | epic lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT-n3GQMcMU&feature=response_watch (language nsfw) |
| 22:30.34 | recluse | right, i know i can drop it in an editbox and let the user C-c on it, but was curious if i could insert it automagically from code. |
| 22:31.22 | recluse | to clipboard* |
| 22:31.35 | zenzelezz | recluse: don't think you can |
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| 22:32.12 | recluse | i just hate doing it the editbox way is all lol |
| 22:32.30 | Jamash | allowing automatic copying to the clipboard would provide a way of communicating with outside programs |
| 22:32.38 | Jamash | so wow doesn't allow it |
| 22:32.56 | recluse | ah, i see. didn't think about it that way |
| 22:35.26 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q81ptFSA4mk&feature=related |
| 22:37.21 | Fisker | i wonder if they ever fixed the time-adjustment communication :P |
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| 22:40.57 | nichdu | Is there an event that fires, when I inspect someone? |
| 22:43.49 | DWSR | yes |
| 22:44.13 | nichdu | Does it have a name? ;) |
| 22:44.55 | DWSR | ~wowprogramming |
| 22:44.56 | purl | rumour has it, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 22:44.58 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 22:45.24 | Fisker | Â |
| 22:45.29 | Fisker | YEEEEEEEEEEEAH |
| 22:45.51 | nichdu | Just found it, I just had to take a look at wowwiki -.- |
| 22:46.00 | nichdu | But thank you :D |
| 23:04.47 | DWSR | Anyone here that can help me track down an acapella? |
| 23:04.58 | DWSR | I know the singer, I need a decent quality copy of the file. |
| 23:14.58 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf |
| 23:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm being ping flooded |
| 23:15.08 | foxlit | ping! |
| 23:15.17 | ScytheBlade1 | s/ping/ICMP PING/ |
| 23:15.33 | foxlit | iseeeempiiiing? |
| 23:18.50 | cbreak | ScytheBlade1: how primitive |
| 23:18.55 | cbreak | not even syn flooding? |
| 23:19.06 | ScytheBlade1 | well that is happening too, actually |
| 23:19.17 | cbreak | there are some very cool resource starvation low bandwidth DoS techniques |
| 23:19.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Mar 28 19:12:16 winterspring kernel: possible SYN flooding on port 993. Sending cookies. |
| 23:19.38 | foxlit | hm, naming boxes after wow zones. |
| 23:19.39 | cbreak | some are timed to exhaust timers and various other resources |
| 23:19.43 | foxlit | Sounds like a viable scheme |
| 23:19.56 | ScytheBlade1 | but that is my droid trying to open 12 different connections to my IMAP server in the same second |
| 23:20.18 | cbreak | fast. :) |
| 23:20.25 | cbreak | or very impatient |
| 23:20.33 | *** join/#wowuidev WobWork (~Wobwork@136.136.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 23:21.47 | WobWork | I wonder how CS5's 'content aware fill' would handle http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1003/NGC2442HST-GendlerL.jpg |
| 23:22.15 | foxlit | WobWork: probably well enough |
| 23:23.04 | WobWork | would it create the stars in reality though! |
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| 23:28.23 | DWSR | Anyone here that can help me track down an acapella? |
| 23:28.24 | DWSR | I know the singer, I need a decent quality copy of the file. |
| 23:29.20 | WobWork | is wary of DWSR's definition of acapella =) |
| 23:29.50 | DWSR | ? |
| 23:29.52 | WobWork | what's the song? |
| 23:29.55 | DWSR | Diamond Life |
| 23:30.07 | DWSR | by Louie Vega & Jay 'Sinister' Sealee feat. Julie McKnight |
| 23:31.18 | WobWork | To me, anything with a backing track is not acapella |
| 23:31.43 | WobWork | anything that has any sort of instrumentation is not acapella |
| 23:32.24 | DWSR | ah |
| 23:32.31 | DWSR | I think you misunderstood me the other day. |
| 23:32.38 | DWSR | It was a track mixed with an acapela. |
| 23:33.15 | WobWork | http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Diamond+Life/obReJ ? |
| 23:34.05 | DWSR | That's mixed with something, but yes. Her singing. |
| 23:34.59 | DWSR | That's mixed with a Meat Katie track. I have that album, actually. |
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| 23:36.38 | WobWork | I guess my concept of acapella is 'vocal only' and it'd sound the same if you were listening to them alone in a room, as the track itself |
| 23:36.47 | WobWork | ie, minimal to no postproduction |
| 23:37.12 | WobWork | a slightly more pure definition, I guess |
| 23:37.13 | Kraps | is this for real? http://www.ukonlinegames.com/2010/03/25/13-reasons-why-you-should-stop-playing-wow/ |
| 23:37.40 | Corrodias | you should stop playing because some guy overdid it once |
| 23:37.41 | Kraps | has to be a joke |
| 23:37.57 | Kraps | "You either develop a lot of patience for the unskilled and clueless who fail to use the features available to their role or you just become like them. Losers can be seen here:" |
| 23:38.14 | WobWork | Kraps: Warcraft Reduces Sex Drive â Watch more Funny Videos |
| 23:38.16 | WobWork | yeah |
| 23:38.27 | WobWork | I'm totally convinced by the professionality of the report there =P |
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| 23:38.48 | WobWork | it's a list of skewed opinions |
| 23:39.00 | foxlit | It seems to me that they've repeated the same 3 reasons 4 times. |
| 23:39.08 | WobWork | You can develop a list like that for anything |
| 23:39.26 | Corrodias | precisely |
| 23:39.28 | WobWork | "Why you shouldn't hug people with your Left Arm: People have DIED hugging people with their LEFT ARM!!!" |
| 23:39.50 | Corrodias | the only real truth underlying this list is "WoW is fun" |
| 23:40.05 | WobWork | or perhaps "WoW is -too- much fun" |
| 23:40.09 | Kraps | that totally happened once WobWork! |
| 23:40.11 | Corrodias | also "weak-willed people fail at things" |
| 23:40.24 | Corrodias | but that should neither be a surprise nor something to care about. |
| 23:40.36 | foxlit | "What we try to do here is to present our view of how we see the world. Now, that vision may seem messed up to most people but itâs not like we are dealing crack to nuns." |
| 23:40.41 | WobWork | it really all boils down to "WoW is addictive to people with addictive personalities" |
| 23:40.53 | foxlit | Co-me-dy. |
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| 23:41.04 | WobWork | speak of the devil |
| 23:42.26 | Kraps | thats the only page on the website... |
| 23:42.34 | foxlit | There's one more |
| 23:42.36 | Fisker | Â |
| 23:42.38 | foxlit | But you have to hunt for it |
| 23:43.30 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 23:43.52 | foxlit | hey Fisker. |
| 23:45.00 | Fisker | i'm not sure that i agree |
| 23:45.12 | Fisker | maybe a bomb is in order? |
| 23:45.56 | Torhal | "At first it WoW may seem cheap at only 50 cents per day but this works out at $75 ever 6 months!" |
| 23:46.07 | Torhal | How much money per month does a serious gamer spend on new titles? |
| 23:46.09 | Torhal | Hahahaha |
| 23:46.14 | Corrodias | $75 over 6 months is nothing |
| 23:46.17 | Torhal | I know :) |
| 23:46.21 | Corrodias | when you have a job, anyway |
| 23:46.36 | cbreak | I pay that much per month just on internet |
| 23:46.44 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 23:46.53 | foxlit | Torhal: it's 75*2*5 for five years! |
| 23:47.03 | cbreak | luckily, WoW is free for me due to getting it as gift :) |
| 23:47.07 | Torhal | Haha |
| 23:47.13 | foxlit | That's 750$! AMAZING! YOU'LL BANKRUPT YOURSELF! |
| 23:47.18 | Corrodias | okay, my internet is cheap compared to that, but still, i pay probably $500 per 6mo on my car |
| 23:47.24 | Torhal | I spend 80% of my WoW-time typing /reloadui |
| 23:47.36 | cbreak | Corrodias: only? |
| 23:47.47 | cbreak | do you push it around or something? |
| 23:47.47 | Corrodias | oh wait, that doesn't count gas |
| 23:47.51 | foxlit | I get it right the first time </rimshot> |
| 23:48.08 | Corrodias | i don't drive a lot, so it's probably only a few hundred on gas |
| 23:48.31 | Corrodias | i'd better cut down on WoW, that 75 sounds pretty vital now! :V |
| 23:48.53 | Torhal | foxlit: :P |
| 23:49.20 | WobWork | I reckon Counterstrike is more dangerous! http://www.news.com.au/technology/counter-strike-wallhack-fight-ends-with-cleaver-embedded-in-teenagers-head/story-e6frfro0-1225844639995 |
| 23:50.22 | Kraps | picture included http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1260043/Chinese-video-gamer-survives-stabbed-head-cheating-accusation.html |
| 23:50.23 | foxlit | WobWork: I was looking for the cleaver in that stock pohoto |
| 23:50.30 | foxlit | s/poh/ph/ |
| 23:50.53 | Cairenn | ~seen KarlKFI |
| 23:50.55 | purl | karlkfi is currently on #wowuidev (7h 5m 48s), last said: 'lol'. |
| 23:51.05 | Cairenn | pokes KarlKFI |
| 23:54.11 | WobWork | hm, what spellpower do I have to aim at for a disc priest to get more mana efficient shields? |
| 23:54.33 | foxlit | Your question is weird. |
| 23:55.18 | Jamash | more mana efficient than what? |
| 23:55.20 | foxlit | presumably shields get some percentage of your spellpower added to the damage they absorb; and nothings affects their mana cost. |
| 23:55.35 | Fisker | naw WobWork |
| 23:55.39 | foxlit | so as spellpower -> â, efficiency -> â |
| 23:55.43 | Fisker | Just Cause 2 is more dangerous |
| 23:55.51 | Fisker | i grapplehook'd a pilot out of a jet fighter |
| 23:56.26 | DWSR | Fisker: I think you're confusing Just Cause 2 with Prototype. |
| 23:56.46 | Fisker | nope |
| 23:57.14 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSuJyojg3Ag |
| 23:58.00 | Zyn | private clip, fgt |
| 23:58.02 | WobWork | aha |
| 23:58.07 | WobWork | not SP, my mistake |
| 23:58.11 | WobWork | just pure mana |
| 23:58.17 | WobWork | over 21K == Free Shields |
| 23:58.26 | Fisker | says public here Zyn |
| 23:58.26 | Fisker | also |
| 23:58.27 | Fisker | fgt |
| 23:58.37 | WobWork | due to http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47537 |
| 23:58.38 | Fisker | try again |
| 23:58.53 | Zyn | Det här videoklippet är privat. |
| 23:58.55 | Zyn | explain |
| 23:59.12 | Fisker | i wonder why my video suggests DJ Tiesto vids |
| 23:59.13 | Fisker | :o |
| 23:59.22 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfhTPaqKEAE |
