| 00:00.03 | Cide | Shirik: hm? |
| 00:00.13 | Shirik | gfd fix it Cide |
| 00:01.24 | Dagmar | Host resolution is malfunctioning |
| 00:01.39 | WobWork | Shirik: oh, btw, now is a good time to submit a bug report, as it's only 11am here |
| 00:01.40 | Cide | fix what? |
| 00:01.46 | Shirik | oh really? |
| 00:01.53 | Shirik | ok give me a few more minutes and I'll do it :P |
| 00:01.57 | foxlit | "for index, slot in next, workTable do" |
| 00:02.08 | WobWork | well, I have no idea about the queue, but at least it won't have to wait til we wake up =) |
| 00:02.08 | foxlit | clearly someone has gone mad with understanding of what pairs() does. |
| 00:03.35 | Shirik | WobWork: The time difference is always what really confuses me |
| 00:03.35 | Shirik | foxlit: lol I've seen that before |
| 00:03.45 | WobWork | Shirik: Generally if you should be in bed, we're awake |
| 00:03.52 | WobWork | Unless daylight savings is involved |
| 00:03.58 | Shirik | that's nice |
| 00:04.00 | WobWork | Then who knows what =P |
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| 00:12.02 | foxlit | lua> ("a"):upper(); |
| 00:12.04 | lua_bot | foxlit: A |
| 00:15.31 | Fisker | lua> ("a"); |
| 00:15.33 | lua_bot | Fisker: a |
| 00:15.35 | Fisker | a |
| 00:16.21 | WobWork | A is A |
| 00:19.01 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 00:19.04 | Fisker | FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- |
| 00:20.08 | Fisker | damn this sucks |
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| 00:24.11 | DWSR | Shirik: FAil |
| 00:24.25 | airtonix | arp poisoning qould be a crude way to neuter other lan users when they are flooding the wan connection ? |
| 00:24.45 | airtonix | say if they are a torrent user |
| 00:25.41 | airtonix | this particular person plays wow all night and then leaves torrents on at max when they sleep |
| 00:25.49 | Dagmar | Actually, done _right_ it would be a pretty elegant solution |
| 00:25.52 | ccox | No, crude would be walking up to them and cutting their wired connection while they watch |
| 00:26.10 | Dagmar | You only need to pop out about one phony packet per second to keep most hosts unable to contact anything else |
| 00:26.29 | airtonix | this person is also pretty clueless when it comes to the details of technology |
| 00:26.41 | Dagmar | Soo... arp floodin it is then |
| 00:27.16 | Cide | Shirik: it seems you really fail today |
| 00:27.17 | ccox | and subtle would be reprogramming the router or firewall to deny their systems access to torrents (best if done on a 10% selective basis) |
| 00:27.20 | airtonix | i think its time to find somewhere else to live |
| 00:27.20 | Shirik | airtonix: That's how I did it |
| 00:27.21 | Shirik | actually |
| 00:27.37 | Shirik | One of my roommates wouldn't stop torrenting at max bandwidth |
| 00:27.43 | WobWork | ccox: "Sounded as though somebody snipped the wire!" "Really? What did it sound like?" "Snip" |
| 00:27.54 | Shirik | so I went and flooded his computer about how I was the router |
| 00:28.03 | Dagmar | Yeah it doesn't even take much |
| 00:28.05 | Shirik | and played stupid when he told me the internet was down |
| 00:28.25 | WobWork | <3 Murder By Death |
| 00:28.27 | airtonix | Shirik, did you also create firewall rule to dropp all packets from him too ? |
| 00:28.31 | ccox | if everything fails to connect, they're going to figure it out |
| 00:28.34 | Shirik | no real need |
| 00:28.38 | airtonix | or is this not required ? |
| 00:28.39 | Dagmar | airtonix: You don't need to do that |
| 00:28.48 | Shirik | eventually the connections will shut themselves down when they realize they aren't getting through |
| 00:28.51 | Dagmar | Unless your host has been configured specifically to forward packets, it won't. |
| 00:29.16 | ccox | if you're selective, they may never figure it out |
| 00:29.28 | Shirik | I considered setting up a rule to permit everything that wasn't a torrent |
| 00:29.32 | airtonix | yeah this one is too clueless to do port forwarding... i think it relies on upnp |
| 00:29.37 | Shirik | but I had more fun running wireshark on him without blocking anything |
| 00:29.54 | Dagmar | Upnp doesn't really have anything to do with it |
| 00:30.01 | Shirik | best part was when I called him out on it and he said he wasn't torrenting anything |
| 00:30.11 | Dagmar | You spoof that *you* (or some host which does not exist) are the owner of the network gateway's IP address. |
| 00:30.13 | Shirik | so I went to another roommate, loud enough so he could hear me |
| 00:30.29 | ccox | truly evil would be putting a man in the middle system to replace all his torrents with looped music videos from bad 80s bands |
| 00:30.29 | Dagmar | Once thst is in their cache, it _stays_ there for at _least_ 1-3 seconds |
| 00:30.30 | Shirik | and was like "Hey do you see this here where it says MACBOOK" or whatever it was |
| 00:30.34 | Shirik | and here it says "Torrent" |
| 00:30.38 | Shirik | but Mike says it's not him |
| 00:30.40 | Shirik | do you have any ideas? |
| 00:30.46 | Shirik | and then he came in like "wtf" |
| 00:30.53 | Dagmar | From that point onwards, any/all traffic going from there out to the internet will be sent to the machine YOU selected, not the actual network gateway |
| 00:31.01 | WobWork | Shirik: mmm passive aggressive =) |
| 00:31.03 | Dagmar | Full stop, packet cockblocking achieved |
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| 00:32.05 | ccox | Sigh. Kids these days - always the sledgehammer, never the scalpel... |
| 00:32.05 | Dagmar | It's a lot harder to spoof DNS replies |
| 00:32.54 | Dagmar | <-- has been performing acts of network skullduggery for years an years |
| 00:32.54 | Shirik | WobWork: le sigh, support request sent |
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| 00:34.49 | Shirik | http://gizmodo.com/5498412/sql-injection-license-plate-hopes-to-foil-euro-traffic-cameras |
| 00:35.36 | Shadowed | way to steal from dolby Shirik |
| 00:35.38 | Shadowed | you dirty thief |
| 00:35.41 | Shirik | yup |
| 00:35.50 | dolby | lol |
| 00:35.57 | Dagmar | Oh I loves it |
| 00:37.00 | WobWork | http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A218882 |
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| 00:40.41 | foxlit | h2g2: founded when? |
| 00:41.16 | foxlit | [Does it actually predate wikipedia?] |
| 00:41.53 | Dagmar | Yes, it does. |
| 00:42.00 | foxlit | Hah. |
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| 00:42.23 | airtonix | http://sourceforge.net/projects/arpoison/ seems appropriate |
| 00:43.01 | airtonix | i'd like to say that the gateway is at some non-existant mac address |
| 00:43.49 | WobWork | "Â h2g2.com was launched in April 1999" |
| 00:44.16 | Kraps | priests used to have a combat rez? :o |
| 00:44.21 | foxlit | no |
| 00:44.26 | airtonix | lol |
| 00:44.40 | Kraps | Resurrection and Combat Resurrection range reduced. |
| 00:44.48 | foxlit | Not in any sort of "hey, I played then!" sense |
| 00:44.52 | Kraps | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_0.12 |
| 00:44.52 | airtonix | did someone just rage at you for not using combat ressurection |
| 00:45.00 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: vanilla beta |
| 00:45.06 | Kraps | my bad i thought it was TBC |
| 00:45.10 | WobWork | foxlit: so it beat out wikipedia by a year or so |
| 00:45.16 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: a lot of stuff was different before release ^^ |
| 00:45.24 | Gnarfoz | rogues with bucklers? check |
| 00:45.29 | Gnarfoz | warlocks with leather armor? check |
| 00:45.49 | airtonix | i remember when i was young, we lived is a shoe! all fifty five of us! |
| 00:46.08 | Gnarfoz | also, I always find it funny when people say "in 1.0, this... that..." |
| 00:46.10 | Gnarfoz | when there was no 1.0 |
| 00:46.11 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:46.37 | Dagmar | http://www.monkey.org/~dugsong/dsniff/ <-- also fun |
| 00:47.16 | airtonix | Dagmar, i have that yes |
| 00:47.24 | Cide | night guys |
| 00:48.05 | Dagmar | I had to go grep my package inventory to figure out WTF package I built had arpspoof and then look up where the hell I got dsniff from |
| 00:48.41 | Kraps | world of lordcraft is also doing the "come play my lord!" with a really hot chick |
| 00:48.59 | Kraps | way better than evony ever had |
| 00:51.56 | WobWork | Kraps: are they doing it with an asian accent? |
| 00:52.03 | WobWork | cause the intro video was terrible |
| 00:52.28 | Kraps | WobWork: i'm talking about the web ad |
| 00:52.41 | Kraps | you can see it on wowwiki |
| 00:53.04 | Gnarfoz | you see web ads? |
| 00:53.21 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 00:53.38 | Kraps | yeah, i dont mind people making money |
| 00:53.45 | Dagmar | Flash ads are no longer welcome around here. |
| 00:53.59 | Ginji | making your browser crash? |
| 00:54.14 | Dagmar | No, I'm sick of the goddamn exploit attempts |
| 00:54.39 | Dagmar | I'm not cleaning them off my gf's machine either, so they're just being shut out at the firewall through packet inspection |
| 00:54.40 | Kraps | pfff get something other than IE |
| 00:55.09 | Dagmar | The day I willingly use IE will be a very cold day in hell |
| 00:55.16 | foxlit | "Kraps: you can see it on wowwiki" << The things I miss by being logged in :( |
| 00:55.29 | Kraps | ^\ |
| 00:56.27 | foxlit | Heh, US politicians actually work on sundays? |
| 00:56.50 | Lopeppeppy | Only when forced to. |
| 00:57.16 | foxlit | Is this some sort of "Hey, maybe they won't show up during the weekend" play? |
| 00:58.42 | Ginji | I wouldn't call what they do work |
| 00:58.46 | Ginji | but that's just my opinion |
| 01:04.40 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: German policitians also work on weekends :o |
| 01:05.26 | Gnarfoz | also, reading that pre-release patch history thing on WoWWiki makes me realize just how much work they got done from april 2004 to november 2004 |
| 01:05.39 | Gnarfoz | they made half the game in that time, it feels like ;o |
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| 01:32.58 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa4Xn0mOdJ4 |
| 01:37.17 | takishan | he put a lot of work into that |
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| 01:50.30 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if all of OVH's routing is fucked up or if their traffic shaping is just fucking with the high throughput hosts i know of that are hosted there |
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| 01:57.03 | yachi | how can I make a frame that gets its name from a variable? |
| 01:57.21 | Shadowed | CreateFrame("Frame", foo .. "Frame") |
| 01:57.25 | Shadowed | foo = "bar" |
| 01:57.27 | Shadowed | you get barFrame |
| 01:57.47 | yachi | oh derp |
| 01:57.50 | yachi | thanks |
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| 02:05.21 | Kraps | is big bang theory any good? |
| 02:05.25 | Shadowed | yes |
| 02:07.42 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfamTmY5REw |
| 02:07.43 | theorbtwo | Quite. |
| 02:07.54 | Arrowmaster | lol @3:30 |
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| 02:09.08 | kd3 | grrs at NM |
| 02:12.12 | Sixen | rawr |
| 02:12.17 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 02:12.24 | Sixen | :o |
| 02:14.29 | jadakren | Arrowmaster, wtf? |
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| 02:17.48 | eidolarr | C question: is there an easy way to pass the variable arg parameter down through a call? |
| 02:18.08 | Iriel | ... |
| 02:18.12 | Iriel | blah(...) |
| 02:18.58 | eidolarr | oh cool, thanks |
| 02:19.16 | Iriel | You can put stuff before the ... too blah("wibble", ...) |
| 02:19.18 | Iriel | But not after |
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| 02:22.55 | eidolarr | i'm getting this: error: expected expression before â...â token |
| 02:23.11 | eidolarr | from this line: void post (const char *fmt, ...) { do_post(fmt, ...); |
| 02:23.17 | eidolarr | with gcc |
| 02:33.58 | jadakren | is it natural to start hating "people" with a passion after working in help desk support roles ? |
| 02:34.59 | jadakren | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastard_Operator_From_Hell |
| 02:35.16 | kd3 | yes. the helldesk is an express train to hating everyone |
| 02:35.16 | jadakren | http://baetzler.de/humor/sysadmin_from_hell.var |
| 02:35.19 | kd3 | has been there, done that |
| 02:35.22 | kd3 | and BOFH is <3 |
| 02:35.34 | kd3 | though simon needs to come up with new stuff, he's just rewriting the same stories |
| 02:40.04 | eidolarr | stack overflow says that in fact you cannot pass ... around in C |
| 02:40.09 | jadakren | Jiffy |
| 02:40.09 | jadakren | Length of time it takes me to resolve your problem by killing your process. |
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| 03:01.39 | WobWork | man, stackoverflow is awesome |
| 03:04.44 | batrick | eidolarr: look at stdarg.h |
| 03:04.59 | batrick | and then look at vprintf |
| 03:05.24 | eidolarr | I ended up passing it with va_list s |
| 03:05.31 | eidolarr | I was just wondering if there was a cuter way like Iriel said |
| 03:05.36 | batrick | nope |
| 03:05.46 | batrick | it's pretty retarded but C is old |
| 03:06.13 | eidolarr | yeah i guess variable arguments at all are somewhat cavalier |
| 03:06.21 | eidolarr | considering where C is coming from |
| 03:06.48 | Iriel | oh, heh, I didn't even notice it was a C question, sorry 8-) |
| 03:07.02 | batrick | bonks Iriel on the head. |
| 03:07.02 | Iriel | In my defense I was getting my ass kicked at SC2 again |
| 03:07.30 | Iriel | I never particularly enjoyed C varargs |
| 03:07.50 | eidolarr | which bracket did you end up in? |
| 03:08.11 | Iriel | I'm in some backwater copper bracket |
| 03:08.34 | eidolarr | i hear it's better off that way |
| 03:08.45 | eidolarr | my buddy went 9-1 because he got matched up with absolute beginners almost every game |
| 03:08.53 | eidolarr | now he loses every round in platinum adn doesn't even play anymore for frustration |
| 03:09.24 | Iriel | I suspect when the great wipe is upon us i'l be back in copper again |
| 03:09.40 | eidolarr | hehe what race? |
| 03:10.09 | Iriel | I've been playing Protoss |
| 03:11.05 | eidolarr | ah, no idea then, been doing zerg |
| 03:11.48 | eidolarr | most of the time whether i win or lose i have no idea why |
| 03:12.13 | Iriel | I just tried zerg again, they're so confusing |
| 03:12.20 | Iriel | I keep running out of drones because I forget to replenish |
| 03:17.36 | eidolarr | oh, what i do is build a queen early on |
| 03:17.44 | eidolarr | and keep sticking the larvae on the hatchery to get a boost |
| 03:19.18 | frontendloader | eidolarr: I got matched up against decent players in my prelims and ended up in copper |
| 03:19.23 | frontendloader | but I'm crushing it now |
| 03:19.29 | frontendloader | my 2v2 is gold :/ |
| 03:19.41 | eidolarr | you just keep playing and eventually it promotes you? |
| 03:19.44 | frontendloader | and I go 50/50 with my partner when I play him |
| 03:20.00 | eidolarr | i'm in bronze and i aws doing good but the top 5 are like 200 rating above me, don't have it in me to grind that |
| 03:20.11 | frontendloader | don't think you need to "grind that" |
| 03:20.26 | frontendloader | each league is a difference of 300 ELO |
| 03:20.30 | frontendloader | I think |
| 03:20.43 | frontendloader | so if you're 1900 copper, you're 1600 bronze |
| 03:20.58 | frontendloader | if you continually beat bronze level players |
| 03:21.02 | frontendloader | you get bumped I think |
| 03:21.22 | ZorbaTHut | presumably it's an actual rating system, so you end up matched with people of your approximate skill level, minus a bit of jockeying around |
| 03:21.26 | ZorbaTHut | similar to the arena rating system |
| 03:21.38 | eidolarr | ZorbaTHut: i think i read that the rating is so loose right now that it's practically disabled |
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| 03:21.52 | frontendloader | nobody is sure how you get bumped up/down at this point |
| 03:22.05 | frontendloader | blizzard hasn't been forthcoming but there has been plenty of speculation |
| 03:22.07 | ZorbaTHut | even assuming it's not buggy, it wouldn't surprise me if the beta state of the game meant it was essentially useless |
| 03:22.15 | ZorbaTHut | if it is buggy then I mean all bets are off |
| 03:22.56 | frontendloader | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-XXF2ypoVA you guys should watch this VoD |
| 03:23.09 | eidolarr | I think they intentionally disabled it due to the lack of players right now, if the rating was tighter you'd never play |
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| 03:23.40 | frontendloader | eidolarr: I don't think it is really disabled, but I do see it say "Expanding search" almost every time I queue up |
| 03:23.53 | frontendloader | double emphasis on that VoD, it is highlarious |
| 03:25.29 | kd3 | ...! they passed it!? |
| 03:25.51 | frontendloader | nationaldebt++ |
| 03:27.56 | eidolarr | ++nationaldebt is faster!! |
| 03:28.32 | Dagmar | I would rather see republicans-- |
| 03:28.36 | kd3 | ^ |
| 03:29.07 | Dagmar | For the last two weeks they've done nothing but spread FUD about everything |
| 03:29.08 | WobWork | wouldn't you want --nationaldebt ? |
| 03:29.45 | Dagmar | Nothing significant is going to get done so long as those guys are fighting as a party to _not do their jobs_ |
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| 03:31.12 | kd3 | sighs as he got wind of the passage from bbc and not the MSM in the states |
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| 03:32.55 | Shirik | bad eidolarr |
| 03:33.04 | Shirik | nationaldebt is a primitive type |
| 03:33.09 | Shirik | the instructions are identical |
| 03:33.37 | kd3 | grrs again at networkmanager |
| 03:33.54 | Jerub | awesome! americans have passed the healthcare bill! |
| 03:33.57 | Jerub | yaaaay |
| 03:33.58 | Dagmar | kd3: I think that might have something to do with their largely being a mouthpiece. |
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| 03:37.52 | WobWork | wow 219 to 212 |
| 03:37.56 | WobWork | that's pretty close |
| 03:38.21 | Dagmar | The more telling thing is that there wasn't a single republican with balls enough to break ranks and do their jobs |
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| 03:39.44 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, well, you could argue that they actually don't think it's a good idea. |
| 03:39.48 | Shirik | WobWork |
| 03:39.52 | Shirik | Atlassian responded |
| 03:39.58 | WobWork | yay! |
| 03:40.00 | Shirik | they found a configuration error that must have been in for a year |
| 03:40.01 | ZorbaTHut | it's not like all the democrats voted for it either. |
| 03:40.02 | WobWork | Did it help? |
| 03:40.07 | Shirik | why it worked so long ago I have no idea |
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| 03:40.59 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: I could actually pull up records of a number of votes in the last year where they've done things like, voted against a bill that says the DoD won't do buisness with companies that make their employees sign a hold harmless in case they're gang raped by their co-workers |
| 03:41.27 | Dagmar | Acually, I'm going to trot that one out to the local media when Corker and Alexander try to get re-elected here. |
| 03:41.42 | ZorbaTHut | oh I agree that many of them are basically scum. I just don't feel like the democrats are any better, and I also don't think that this particular vote is really much of a sign in that direction either way. |
| 03:41.44 | WobWork | Shirik: fix the issue for you? |
| 03:41.52 | Shirik | about to find out |
| 03:42.22 | ZorbaTHut | public healthcare, unlike some of the things that have gone through there, really is a new thing that doesn't violate the constitution and isn't obviously and clearly either a good or bad thing. I can see differences of opinion there. |
| 03:42.30 | Dagmar | I just like how when it comes to their buddies in the military industrial complex, the sky is the absolute limit with spending. |
| 03:42.53 | Dagmar | ...but when it comes to the actual people who *live* in America, suddenly the budget is more important than people's lives. |
| 03:43.24 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: It's the differences of opinions that should have had at least one republican voting for it, I think |
| 03:43.26 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* I'd agree with them there, personally. I'd be against public healthcare if I thought it was going to cause major budget issues. |
| 03:43.52 | ZorbaTHut | there's no point in saving a few lives if the entire government ends up plunged into bankruptcy and the country into depression. |
| 03:43.54 | Dagmar | I think if they really cared about the budget that much they'd cut off all the war spending |
| 03:44.46 | ZorbaTHut | Sure. I agree there, I think what we have is ridiculous. |
| 03:47.29 | frontendloader | sure is #wowheathcaredev |
| 03:49.50 | Shirik | heresiarchguild bamboo # netstat | grep 54663 |
| 03:49.50 | Shirik | tcp6 0 0 heresiarchguild.c:54663 122.100.119.70.cfl:3802 TIME_WAIT |
| 03:49.55 | Shirik | tcp6 does that mean ipv6? |
| 03:50.01 | Shirik | if so, I think it's lying |
| 03:50.02 | MentalPower | yes |
| 03:50.08 | Dagmar | Yipes |
| 03:50.16 | MentalPower | you would also be right about the lying |
| 03:50.33 | MentalPower | unless its tcp|6 0 0 |
| 03:50.34 | Shirik | I mean I know the connection was established, but that's not the point |
| 03:50.41 | Shirik | it should be a ipv4 connection |
| 03:50.55 | MentalPower | it is, look at the endpoint's addy |
| 03:51.15 | Shirik | so why does it say tcp6 o.o |
| 03:51.36 | MentalPower | like I said, it might actually be tcp|6 0 0 |
| 03:51.46 | MentalPower | or more clearly tcp 6 0 0 |
| 03:51.55 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 03:52.32 | Dagmar | There's only two fields in between there. It's definitely saying 'tcp6' |
| 03:52.39 | MentalPower | waits for the friggin SC2 patches to finish downloading |
| 03:52.56 | MentalPower | then its definitely wrong |
| 03:53.21 | Shirik | yay it works |
| 03:53.23 | Shirik | gah |
| 03:53.30 | Shirik | I don't know how that configuration error got there -_- |
| 03:54.00 | Shirik | Mar 21, 2010 11:51:00 PM Remote agent "ECOCAR-BUILDSVR (2)" has registered. |
| 03:54.01 | Shirik | yey |
| 03:54.04 | Shirik | wait wtf you mean (2) |
| 03:57.58 | jadakren | me and minime\ |
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| 04:02.41 | kd3 | yay |
| 04:02.55 | kd3 | now then, time for mythtv |
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| 04:09.55 | jadakren | moovidia > mythtv |
| 04:12.07 | Dagmar | moovidia != mythtv |
| 04:12.40 | Dagmar | A PVR is not the same thing as a video player. |
| 04:14.21 | Dagmar | MythTV would probably be a lot furhter along if they would just start tossing out support for "Wangtek ED9154-a" cards and just focus on 2-3 "recommended" input types |
| 04:14.38 | Dagmar | ...or just fork the damn thing into independent pieces. |
| 04:14.58 | Dagmar | That having been said, the SVN stuff is way nicer looking than you'd believe |
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| 04:17.55 | DWSR | Dude, wtf? |
| 04:18.05 | DWSR | flying fish have hax. |
| 04:19.49 | DWSR | I'm watching Life on Discovery and they're talking about Flying Fish |
| 04:19.54 | DWSR | And they definitely has life hax. |
| 04:53.57 | jadakren | Dagmar, you mean moovidia cant record tv ? |
| 04:54.10 | jadakren | i was sure it could |
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| 04:59.27 | Dagmar | jadakren: Nothing on their site leads me to believe they're anything more than just a media player, which is why I haven't even tried to use them |
| 05:00.09 | Dagmar | ...and it's moovida, not moovidia |
| 05:21.07 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_ballshit |
| 05:21.14 | Shirik | oh too late |
| 05:21.18 | Shirik | that didn't last long |
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| 05:41.35 | Kraps | win, i did all the voa bosses the same night, 10 and 25 |
| 05:52.23 | Jerub | Kraps: all the groups on my realm are only doing toravan and koralon now :( |
| 05:52.30 | Jerub | no one wnats to do the lightning one or emalon. |
| 05:53.00 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.02 | Kraps | :) |
| 05:53.09 | Jerub | oh, whatever |
| 05:53.15 | Kraps | archavon is the other one |
| 05:53.16 | Jerub | the wheee flying bear one. |
| 05:53.28 | Kraps | heh |
| 05:53.28 | Jerub | i had no idea that boss was so fun until i tanked it. |
| 05:53.29 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: you spent 4 hours playing a game to accomplish something you will do repetitively. how exactly is that a win? |
| 05:53.41 | Kraps | hey Thunder_Child |
| 05:53.54 | Thunder_Child | hi Kraps |
| 05:53.55 | Jerub | we very very nearly 3 manned him. |
| 05:53.59 | Kraps | shut the fuck up |
| 05:54.49 | Thunder_Child | the last resort of a defensive person |
| 05:54.51 | Thunder_Child | i win |
| 05:54.57 | Kraps | no |
| 05:55.29 | Thunder_Child | yes, and you know it |
| 05:55.54 | Kraps | Jerub: you practically have to beg RLs to do archavon |
| 05:56.38 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: it was the first time on this toon so it IS a win |
| 05:57.26 | Kraps | [R] [80:Estaphon:2]: sorry all roommate needs me to come get his drunk en self. Goodluck |
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| 06:38.50 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.45 | Jerub | airtonix: are you already? |
| 06:40.09 | airtonix | Jerub, just let me lube up |
| 06:40.18 | Jerub | er. |
| 06:40.21 | Jerub | i meant /alright/ |
| 06:40.31 | airtonix | i am now darling |
| 06:40.41 | airtonix | muwhaha |
| 06:40.47 | Arrowmaster | so this will be fun, i think i finally figured out why my dads windows xp computer was failing to connect to windows update for a very very long time |
| 06:41.16 | Arrowmaster | like so long it might be over a year since its gotten an update |
| 06:42.19 | airtonix | do tell |
| 06:44.08 | Arrowmaster | well it was getting error 0x80072efe which has something to do with IAS proxys and tcp reset, but i dont have a proxy, although i found some malware on his computer that kept setting the proxy in IE to itself and i was thinking it was doing it |
| 06:45.23 | Arrowmaster | turns out that by blocking all ActiveX content to his computer from my router killed windows xp automatic updates |
| 06:46.07 | Arrowmaster | i had completely forgotten i had done that |
| 06:46.38 | Arrowmaster | especially since it was part of the MySpace rule that blocked his computer from accessing myspace.com |
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| 06:51.05 | Arrowmaster | ok looking at the WindowsUpdate.log, why the fuck is it downloading from au.download.windowsupdate.com |
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| 06:53.10 | zenzio | these Irish people sure have a weird concept of "day" if they're still celebrating :-o |
| 06:56.58 | zenzio | "server processors are basically cache with some processor attached" |
| 07:01.59 | Arrowmaster | ...... |
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| 07:09.08 | zenzio | "... but if Google was so hardcore into efficiency, why the hell did they develop a new runtime for their Android that's based on Java?" "Because Google ain't crunching data sets on fucking mobile phones" |
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| 07:20.20 | airtonix | haha person is basically some lower bowels with some brain attached |
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| 07:26.00 | Kraps | the forums are full of healthcare "discussion" |
| 07:26.15 | ZorbaTHut | zenzio, whoever is coming up with those comments has no bloody clue about largescale servers :P |
| 07:26.29 | zenzio | ZorbaTHut: no surprise, it's Slashdot comments =D |
| 07:27.24 | Cairenn | which forums? |
| 07:27.48 | Kraps | wow |
| 07:28.21 | Cairenn | weirdoes |
| 07:28.29 | Kraps | srs bssnss |
| 07:28.37 | zenzio | Cairenn: weird is as weirdoes |
| 07:28.38 | Cairenn | why on earth would you (generic) be yapping about that on WoW forums? |
| 07:28.53 | Cairenn | like the one has anything to do with the other? |
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| 07:34.30 | MentalPower | hey Cairenn |
| 07:34.37 | Cairenn | hey MentalPower :) |
| 07:34.42 | Cairenn | 'sup? |
| 07:34.53 | MentalPower | not much, enjoying some days off |
| 07:34.58 | Cairenn | cool |
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| 07:41.16 | Torhal | Cairenn: These ARE the WoW forums. Does there need to be a reason for anything there anymore? :) |
| 07:41.23 | Cairenn | point |
| 07:48.08 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 07:48.32 | Fisker | sends Cairenn to bed |
| 07:48.55 | Cairenn | as if |
| 07:49.15 | Fisker | oh ok |
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| 07:51.29 | Fisker | i need more transmute mastery procs |
| 07:51.34 | Fisker | don't have enough money |
| 07:53.22 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/22/screen-grabs-simon-campos-forgets-how-to-install-an-hdd-in-his/ <-luls |
| 07:53.31 | Fisker | you gotta be pretty stupid |
| 07:55.25 | zenzio | hm, FlashForward... I forgot about that series |
| 08:00.30 | krka | lucky tou |
| 08:00.32 | krka | you* |
| 08:00.38 | krka | i am still trying to forget it |
| 08:01.28 | zenzio | oh? |
| 08:02.00 | zenzio | I liked it at the beginning. Think I watched the first four or five episodes and then forgot about it |
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| 08:04.34 | Fisker | i could just annihilate you zenzio |
| 08:08.07 | Fisker | maybe i should also get a GT240 |
| 08:08.46 | Fisker | isn't that right zenzio ? |
| 08:09.10 | zenzio | I'm not sure what a GT240 is |
| 08:09.37 | Fisker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_200_Series#GeForce_GT_240 |
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| 08:10.37 | zenzio | I don't get that numbering scheme |
| 08:10.43 | zenzio | why would a 240 be newer than a 275? |
| 08:10.57 | Fisker | because it's a lowend card |
| 08:11.09 | zenzio | ah |
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| 08:11.35 | Wobin | http://notalwaysright.com/your-stupidity-has-no-match/4748 |
| 08:11.36 | Wobin | wow |
| 08:11.37 | Wobin | terrible |
| 08:11.50 | Fisker | They are a bit fucked up with rebranding though |
| 08:12.02 | Fisker | I think the G92 chip (8800GT) has been rebranded like 4 times now |
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| 08:12.37 | Fisker | 8800, 9800, 250, and i think there's one in the 300-series as well |
| 08:13.20 | zenzio | hehe |
| 08:13.29 | zenzio | but it is/was a good one |
| 08:13.30 | Kraps | ToC 25 was great |
| 08:13.58 | Kraps | we failed on twins but it was good overall for a pug |
| 08:16.05 | DWSR | Kraps: kik |
| 08:16.06 | DWSR | lol* |
| 08:16.12 | DWSR | "It was a good pug. we failed on twins" |
| 08:18.12 | Kraps | DWSR: 3 3 words: ex pec tations |
| 08:18.58 | Kraps | it was great for me cuz it was the first time ive been there |
| 08:19.05 | awweaver | oo |
| 08:19.07 | awweaver | http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx |
| 08:19.35 | Kraps | night |
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| 08:29.41 | Wobin | woah http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/S6ZgYCjfQ-I/AAAAAAAALYk/hLWPbuifTtU/s1600/caterpillar%2Bcamo.jpg |
| 08:29.54 | awweaver | ? |
| 08:30.04 | zenzio | skills, he has them |
| 08:30.07 | Wobin | inorite? |
| 08:30.26 | awweaver | i see no caterpillar |
| 08:32.03 | awweaver | awww http://i.imgur.com/9IxvJ.jpg |
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| 08:33.51 | awweaver | http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=pvc0254wis |
| 08:35.09 | awweaver | this is just... |
| 08:35.44 | Fisker | you're a caterpillar |
| 08:36.12 | awweaver | ? |
| 08:36.48 | awweaver | http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=9u9688u9gh |
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| 08:48.45 | Thrae | Arrrggh this addon problem is driving me nuts |
| 08:48.57 | awweaver | Which addon? |
| 08:49.18 | Thrae | Some addon is not allowing me to abandon quests, the button Abandon and Track are not clickable. |
| 08:49.37 | Fisker | i hate Realtek |
| 08:49.56 | awweaver | Doublewide? |
| 08:49.59 | Fisker | there should be some law against creating drivers on a weekly/bi-weekly basis and then being unable to properly host them |
| 08:50.46 | awweaver | 30kb/sec sucks what happens when i do it... |
| 08:51.06 | Thrae | awweaver: Nope don't have it, that's built-in anyway now |
| 08:51.18 | Thrae | I did disable all and it worked, so something was doing it |
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| 08:51.33 | awweaver | Any new addons recently? |
| 08:52.17 | olafski | I have that too thrae :P |
| 08:52.24 | awweaver | especially ones dealing with quests |
| 08:52.31 | olafski | at times |
| 08:52.42 | Wobin | http://www.threepanelsoul.com/comics/158.png |
| 08:52.43 | Wobin | win |
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| 08:53.27 | awweaver | Is it bad that i have 50 addons... |
| 08:53.44 | awweaver | 49* |
| 08:53.55 | Kaso | depends what they all do |
| 08:54.14 | Kaso | number of addons is a bad metric for performance |
| 08:54.14 | awweaver | I would list them but that would take for ever |
| 08:54.43 | Kaso | as long as you aren't doubling down on functionality i dont see why that'd be an issue |
| 08:54.58 | awweaver | I use titan panel and some addons that put their icons in it like Recount.... |
| 08:55.20 | awweaver | and moving the Carbonite icon to the bar |
| 08:56.13 | awweaver | and Mountiful doesnt do its job |
| 08:56.17 | awweaver | its a POS |
| 09:00.15 | awweaver | yay daily reset |
| 09:02.52 | Torhal | awweaver: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/squire.aspx |
| 09:04.28 | awweaver | Installed |
| 09:10.08 | Kaso | For i second i thought that was an addon to stop me accidently selecting the wrong option on my argent gruntling and wasting a four hour cooldown, but alas :( |
| 09:10.32 | awweaver | ? |
| 09:10.35 | awweaver | what |
| 09:11.19 | Kaso | Argent Gruntling/Squire is a pet you get from the argent tournament which allows you to access bank, mailbox or vendor on a 4hr cooldown |
| 09:11.54 | Kaso | so many times i've selected vendor instead of bank when i needed some offspec or something |
| 09:12.07 | awweaver | didnt know that... |
| 09:12.08 | Fisker | rawr 3 looks kinda nice |
| 09:12.09 | zenzio | oh, so it has a use besides looking stupid? |
| 09:12.25 | awweaver | i dont see that here... |
| 09:13.34 | awweaver | I love the addon badboy... |
| 09:15.06 | awweaver | and the grunt atleast mine doesnt have a vendor optuion, only Pendants... |
| 09:15.20 | Kaso | yah you need to spend 150 tokens on a pony bridle for him |
| 09:15.39 | awweaver | thats stupid |
| 09:15.48 | Kaso | its worth it for a remote bank imo |
| 09:15.59 | awweaver | Jeeves FTW |
| 09:16.02 | Kaso | everyone in my guild call him our "slave boy" |
| 09:18.01 | Kaso | jeeves would be nice, but alas. |
| 09:18.09 | Kaso | also the argent torny tabbard is awesome |
| 09:18.27 | awweaver | oo...and the recipe drops off of stuff everywhere in NR, in instances that is |
| 09:19.16 | awweaver | sadly jeeves requires this to make him |
| 09:19.17 | awweaver | Requires Field Repair Bot 74A (2), Field Repair Bot 110G (10), Scrapbot Construction Kit (20), Titansteel Bar (8), King's Amber (2), Handful of Cobalt Bolts (30) |
| 09:19.46 | awweaver | Probably will wait till after i get my hog |
| 09:19.50 | Kaso | not too bad if you're just doing it once |
| 09:20.05 | Kaso | the old repair bots will take bit of grinding by hey |
| 09:20.07 | awweaver | why would u do it more than once? |
| 09:20.33 | zenzio | if it was a consumable |
| 09:20.49 | awweaver | I wouldnt make uit that often then |
| 09:21.41 | awweaver | now if only you got part of the proceeds from people repairiong and buying/selling stuff... |
| 09:23.30 | Kaso | that'd be an intersting trade off |
| 09:23.58 | awweaver | OK i have a question why does Squire only mount me on my deathcharger if i have all fast mounts selected.... |
| 09:24.25 | awweaver | nmv, going into options mustve fixed it |
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| 09:26.45 | awweaver | ok its 2:30 im going to bed |
| 09:29.21 | olafski | jeeves pattern drops outside instances too |
| 09:29.30 | olafski | I got him at lvl 69 in borean tundra |
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| 10:26.07 | Wobin | http://community.livejournal.com/worldofwarcraft/8283780.html |
| 10:26.09 | Wobin | o.O |
| 10:27.08 | ZorbaTHut | eh, I can see people being confused |
| 10:27.20 | ZorbaTHut | the "standard" layout isn't really intuitive if you haven't seen it before |
| 10:27.49 | olafski | are there people who have strafe left/right bound to mouse1 and mouse2? :s |
| 10:28.00 | ZorbaTHut | wouldn't surprise me :D |
| 10:28.31 | olafski | it sounds like my setup for FPS games |
| 10:28.36 | olafski | but I wouldn't want that in wow :/ |
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| 10:40.05 | Kaso | I still can't play without the full set of four movement buttons |
| 10:40.37 | Kaso | mostly because i like being able to steer when on a mount or something when im busy doing something else |
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| 10:41.37 | Arrowmaster | i think a lot of people use wsad/edsf with turn instead of strafe and then just hold the right mouse button to strafe |
| 10:41.49 | olafski | I just use qwe asd |
| 10:42.03 | olafski | e.g. default bindings.. my fps setup is a bit less conventional |
| 10:42.20 | Arrowmaster | i long ago rebound q and e in wow |
| 10:42.34 | Arrowmaster | e became my spam key |
| 10:43.00 | Arrowmaster | shadowbolt on my lock, ss/bs on my rogue |
| 10:43.52 | Kaso | i tried the mouse to strafe setup, but as a healer my mouse is usually more active than for other classes so it got in the way |
| 10:44.17 | olafski | I think I have far fewer key bindings than most people here ;p |
| 10:44.28 | olafski | 1-7 and some ctrl/alt combinations is it pretty much |
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| 10:44.38 | olafski | never really felt like setting up more than that |
| 10:44.42 | Kaso | it really depends on the class |
| 10:44.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah i can see healers being more 6 movement keys and click casting with the mouse |
| 10:45.09 | olafski | I just don't like getting used to more keys |
| 10:45.25 | olafski | I play all classes ;) |
| 10:45.54 | Arrowmaster | olafski: 1-6 erf were my main ability keybinds |
| 10:46.42 | olafski | yeah I guess I could use r and f.. no wait just f |
| 10:46.45 | airtonix | http://spicytunas.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/mage-keyboard.jpg |
| 10:46.50 | olafski | hm I actually use f too |
| 10:46.54 | olafski | guess that won't work ;) |
| 10:47.02 | Arrowmaster | oh lifetap on c because i could hit it with my thumb with the controller i used |
| 10:48.10 | olafski | hmm. G doesn't seem to do anything |
| 10:48.26 | olafski | I also have a couple of mouse buttons left |
| 10:48.29 | airtonix | olafski, its bound to qq |
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| 10:49.18 | Kaso | my mouse has side buttons but i cant stand them because i can't manage to press them without the mouse twitching to the side |
| 10:49.20 | airtonix | just get a neuro-canula... trumps all mouse and key binds |
| 10:50.47 | airtonix | http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T04-4NFR524-2&_user=10&_coverDate=07/30/2007&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1261144200&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=3046bf4301b03a2728863dd32b40b70d |
| 10:50.51 | airtonix | lol url |
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| 12:15.04 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+r] by Cairenn |
| 12:15.24 | Kalroth | .. |
| 12:15.31 | Kalroth | why would anyone even spam like that |
| 12:15.32 | Elkano | hmpfwrgp for highlighting me... |
| 12:15.52 | zenzio | been a while since we had one of those attacks now IIRC |
| 12:15.57 | Arathros | lol |
| 12:16.06 | Cairenn | aye |
| 12:16.28 | Arathros | alli can say is "L to the little o followed by the Cap L |
| 12:16.39 | Cairenn | heh |
| 12:17.11 | Arathros | in my shitload of years on irc.. spam bots. and the likes. I've never seen the point |
| 12:18.01 | zenzio | for these I think it's simply griefing |
| 12:18.21 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 12:20.20 | Taroven | scrolls up through the chatlog |
| 12:20.59 | Taroven | And not a single goatse in the entire thing? For shame, spambots. For shame. |
| 12:21.20 | Wobin | ~rot13 laskaggveji qavccefevn qrwzct jidmk ybv hoxm |
| 12:21.20 | purl | ynfxnttirwv dnipprsria dejmpg wvqzx loi ubkz |
| 12:21.30 | Wobin | man, I thought it was some cunning cipher =P |
| 12:22.15 | Taroven | That would be pretty awesome. |
| 12:22.38 | Cairenn | sighs, shakes her head and just giggles at her geeks |
| 12:23.00 | Taroven | ~rot8 test |
| 12:23.00 | purl | bmab |
| 12:23.05 | Taroven | Ah, sweet. |
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| 12:23.19 | Wobin | ~rot26 awesome |
| 12:23.19 | purl | awesome |
| 12:23.23 | Taroven | Didn't know purl did more than rot13 =P |
| 12:23.27 | Wobin | noone will ever break that! |
| 12:23.46 | Taroven | ~rot1 or this! |
| 12:23.47 | purl | ps uijt! |
| 12:24.02 | zenzio | ohai Lopeppeppy ! |
| 12:24.23 | Taroven | and now for that thing I think is sleep. |
| 12:31.05 | Kaso | ~rot2465829184 Test |
| 12:31.05 | purl | Test |
| 12:31.08 | Kaso | yay |
| 12:31.20 | zenzio | ~rot-1 arf |
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| 12:31.49 | Kalroth | speaking of spooning, hi ckk |
| 12:32.09 | Kaso | i wonder if it actually rotted it 2465829184 times or if it just did %26 |
| 12:32.16 | Kaso | i suspect the boring option :( |
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| 12:33.26 | Kaso | purl, purl? |
| 12:33.27 | purl | purl is probably a piece of very bad coding. |
| 12:33.41 | Kaso | purl: author? |
| 12:34.09 | Lopeppeppy | I used to know who owned/created her... |
| 12:34.36 | Kaso | ~logs |
| 12:34.37 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily |
| 12:34.37 | zenzio | Rikers? |
| 12:34.43 | Kaso | there we go |
| 12:35.45 | ckknight | hey Kalroth |
| 12:38.03 | Adys | !api unit_spellcast |
| 12:41.16 | zenzio | I see lua_bot didn't return |
| 12:42.13 | Cairenn | jnwhiteh is away, so hasn't reset it |
| 12:42.29 | zenzio | it probably just needed a break |
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| 12:45.07 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, he's traveling today so he likely has no access or even any idea the bot went walkies. |
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| 12:47.46 | Kaso | infobot source at http://infobot.sourceforge.net/download.html seems to be only capable of rot-13ing |
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| 12:52.36 | Arathros | hmm anyone found a way to boost dmg against resi people |
| 12:58.16 | zenzio | strip them first |
| 12:59.21 | Arathros | why did i get the notion that spell penetration was for penetrating through their resilience and resistance and armor like they have armor pene |
| 12:59.38 | olafski | get more crit/arp/ap/spelldmg |
| 12:59.52 | Arathros | armor pene as a caster? |
| 13:00.00 | olafski | whichever is applicable for you |
| 13:00.04 | olafski | you didn't specify your class |
| 13:00.26 | Arathros | sorry bout that |
| 13:06.11 | foxlit | "boost dmg against resi people" << you're not supposed to, silly |
| 13:06.43 | olafski | how do I burn water? ;) |
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| 13:17.40 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08e9k-c91E8&NR=1 |
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| 13:23.39 | Fisker | NO! |
| 13:24.49 | haste | YES! |
| 13:24.57 | Fisker | NO! |
| 13:25.28 | industrial | ON! |
| 13:25.42 | Kraps | ONE! |
| 13:25.52 | haste | TEN! |
| 13:25.54 | industrial | BONE! |
| 13:26.04 | industrial | c-c-c-c-combobreaker :( |
| 13:26.25 | Fisker | bone storm? |
| 13:26.40 | Kraps | brostorm |
| 13:26.42 | industrial | boner, ofcourse |
| 13:28.41 | Kraps | explosives |
| 13:28.55 | industrial | explosive boner? |
| 13:29.45 | Kraps | IT'S NOT EVEN REMOTELY POSSIBLE! |
| 13:30.01 | Fisker | like one in a fucking million |
| 13:30.07 | Fisker | unbelievable man |
| 13:34.01 | Cide | remotely imaginable* |
| 13:34.13 | Cide | and you missed a "fucking" |
| 13:35.03 | zenzio | I think he's missed a lot of that |
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| 13:38.28 | Adys | lua> not {} |
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| 13:39.26 | Aelobin | is there a radio-button checkbox template in wow? |
| 13:39.56 | Kraps | having a RL like that would be funny for the first couple of time but then i would be "this is fucking stupid" |
| 13:51.14 | DWSR | Kraps: It would just constantly be funny. You just have to make sure that you don't take him seriously. |
| 13:53.16 | DWSR | Anyone know if we're getting 3.3.3 this week? |
| 13:53.23 | DWSR | I want ma DW buff :D |
| 13:53.31 | olafski | bibi thinks so |
| 13:54.45 | Bibi | Bibi doesn't think so |
| 13:54.55 | Bibi | Bibi does background work and releases reliable information to the community |
| 13:54.57 | Bibi | biatch. |
| 13:55.21 | zenzio | says who? |
| 13:55.32 | Kraps | bibi |
| 13:55.39 | zenzio | Bibi should come here and speak to us himself, not send intermediaries using his name |
| 13:57.40 | Fisker | Â |
| 13:58.43 | Fisker | zenzio |
| 13:58.46 | Fisker | hey zenzio |
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| 14:01.45 | [Wobin] | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/032010/announcing_the_itits.jpg |
| 14:02.44 | zenzio | "Miss, are your breasts vibrating?" |
| 14:03.19 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 14:04.56 | zenzio | it would be an interesting party trick |
| 14:06.27 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/717/ |
| 14:06.30 | Adys | ahah |
| 14:07.29 | Elkano | adys: http://www.3dsupply.de/3d/img/produkte/00004629.jpg |
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| 14:10.06 | Fisker | hey Elkano |
| 14:12.39 | Elkano | ~lart Fisker |
| 14:12.39 | purl | sends a legion of lawyers after Fisker's head |
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| 14:21.25 | zenzio | Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/03/22/funny-pictures-of-two-kitties/ |
| 14:21.36 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 14:24.43 | Lopeppeppy | It is a far far better thing I do, than ever I have done before. |
| 14:24.52 | Lopeppeppy | You get the goggie, I'll steal the noms. |
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| 14:27.04 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:27.08 | olafski | 'lo |
| 14:27.15 | Cairenn | hi kneeki |
| 14:27.51 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi. |
| 14:31.10 | Kraps | so shammies have a hard time healing garfrost |
| 14:31.23 | kneeki | Garfrost? |
| 14:31.29 | olafski | garfrost! |
| 14:31.43 | foxlit | Giant underpants? |
| 14:31.45 | olafski | yes |
| 14:31.48 | olafski | hope they are clean |
| 14:31.52 | kneeki | oohhh |
| 14:31.53 | kneeki | lol |
| 14:32.05 | olafski | I imagine paladins have it equally difficult? |
| 14:32.08 | olafski | though I've never healed as a paladin |
| 14:32.39 | Ackis | good morning everyone |
| 14:32.46 | kneeki | Morning |
| 14:32.47 | Kraps | i couldnt do it in my offspec and an icc geared shammy failed as well |
| 14:33.37 | olafski | hmm |
| 14:33.44 | Ackis | http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/289/scii.gif |
| 14:33.50 | olafski | helps if people try to stay alive themselves |
| 14:33.57 | olafski | e.g. mage armor, anti magic shell etc |
| 14:34.18 | olafski | frost resistance aura / totem helps too ;) |
| 14:34.27 | foxlit | has a key. |
| 14:34.39 | foxlit | Now I need to find a cliff, I guess. |
| 14:34.45 | Fisker | slaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:34.47 | olafski | a volcano will work too |
| 14:35.02 | Ackis | foxlit: I've gotten 4 keys :D |
| 14:35.04 | Kraps | doh |
| 14:35.27 | DWSR | Hey Shadowed, found a problem with EG. |
| 14:36.50 | olafski | why ackis :( |
| 14:37.06 | Ackis | why what olafski? |
| 14:37.12 | olafski | why did you get 4 |
| 14:37.17 | olafski | multiple b.net accounts? |
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| 14:37.56 | Ackis | olafski: 2 from blizzcon, 1 from I dunno where, and 1 from the refer a friend thingy they sent out |
| 14:37.57 | kneeki | Does that mean you have 4 friend invites to give out? ;) |
| 14:38.01 | foxlit | Hey, Mikk. Our Event listing format is mad. |
| 14:38.25 | olafski | mkay |
| 14:38.46 | olafski | ackis: maybe you should add a link to Collectinator in your poll, so people who answer "No, have not heard about it, what is it?" can find out what it is :) |
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| 14:41.36 | Ackis | gah I edited the categories and it reset the data on it |
| 14:43.08 | Fisker | hey |
| 14:43.09 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 14:43.14 | Ackis | sup Fisker |
| 14:43.20 | Ackis | well olafski I added the link but lost the data |
| 14:43.34 | Fisker | me tarzan |
| 14:43.41 | Mikk | foxlit: muh? |
| 14:43.58 | olafski | ackis: :( |
| 14:44.02 | olafski | could've just posted the link in a comment |
| 14:44.27 | olafski | at least my vote is still up ;) |
| 14:44.45 | foxlit | Mikk: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Events%2FC&diff=2216877&oldid=2204604 |
| 14:44.46 | Ackis | olafski: I found a typo that needed fixing regardless |
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| 14:45.01 | foxlit | I'm not sure whether I broke anything; those {| table |} tags seem very random. |
| 14:45.36 | olafski | yes I saw that typo too ;p |
| 14:47.21 | foxlit | Can't quite figure out why they're there either |
| 14:48.25 | Mikk | foxlit: well ... each event is wrapped in a table |
| 14:48.32 | Mikk | though i admit i don't remember exactly WHY i did that |
| 14:48.35 | foxlit | No, no they aren't. |
| 14:48.42 | foxlit | Sometimes there are like 3 in one table. |
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| 14:49.39 | foxlit | Plus they seem to be arranged so that each page begins with a |} and ends with an open table. |
| 14:49.59 | Mikk | yeah because of how the top/end templates look |
| 14:50.22 | Mikk | {{eventlistheader}} and ummm |
| 14:50.24 | Mikk | where'd the footer go oO |
| 14:50.36 | foxlit | I'm pretty sure that header is just a normal table now |
| 14:50.54 | Mikk | yeah i have no idea why those are there now |
| 14:50.58 | Mikk | i'm sure there was a reason but |
| 14:51.19 | Mikk | they seem to have gotten mangled to oblivion by editors now |
| 14:51.26 | foxlit | Hm. Template:Eventlistheader does have the open table. |
| 14:51.28 | Shirik | Does Obama actually read what he writes? |
| 14:51.37 | foxlit | I don't think Obama writes. |
| 14:51.45 | Shirik | "My gratitude tonight is profound." |
| 14:51.53 | Shirik | how the hell can gratitude be profound |
| 14:52.06 | DWSR | Shirik: Easily. |
| 14:52.15 | foxlit | "The overwhelming feeling is just deep" |
| 14:52.17 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 14:52.24 | foxlit | Sometimes I wonder where google pulls those definitions from. |
| 14:52.32 | Mikk | foxlit: well do feel free to tinker |
| 14:52.38 | DWSR | foxlit: It usually tells you, doesn't it? |
| 14:52.38 | Mikk | bit busy myself |
| 14:52.54 | foxlit | DWSR: http://www.google.com/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=en%7Cen&hl=en&q=profound |
| 14:53.23 | DWSR | You use profound to emphasize that something is very great or intense. <-- Shirik |
| 14:53.32 | DWSR | foxlit: Yeah, those are examples to illustrate the use of profound in a sentence. |
| 14:53.45 | Shirik | well that's not what profound means |
| 14:53.46 | foxlit | DWSR: nah, the main entry |
| 14:53.56 | DWSR | Shirik: Except, it is. |
| 14:54.05 | DWSR | Stop failing so hard at English, plz. |
| 14:54.18 | foxlit | I mind, what kind of a dictionary definition is "You use profound to emphasize..." |
| 14:54.33 | foxlit | s/mind/mean/ |
| 14:54.37 | DWSR | Oh, yeah. |
| 14:54.42 | DWSR | That's a little odd, but *shrug* |
| 14:55.10 | [Wobin] | Shirik, what do you believe profound to mean? |
| 14:55.18 | foxlit | Mikk: I'm slightly concerned about breaking your bot. |
| 14:55.20 | Shirik | deep |
| 14:55.36 | [Wobin] | what's wrong with deep gratitude? |
| 14:55.45 | Shirik | like intellectually deep |
| 14:55.52 | foxlit | Though I suppose as long as {{evt|}} doesn't vanish, it'll be okay. |
| 14:55.53 | [Wobin] | not necessarily |
| 14:55.55 | Shirik | I don't understand how gratitude an be deep |
| 14:55.58 | Mikk | foxlit: fair enough.. can check if it even does anything with those open tables |
| 14:56.04 | DWSR | "The impact was profound" |
| 14:56.06 | [Wobin] | "I extend my deepest gratitude for your concern" |
| 14:56.15 | Shirik | that's not the same deep |
| 14:56.25 | [Wobin] | just like it's not the same profound? |
| 14:56.34 | Shirik | no |
| 14:56.40 | DWSR | Don't mind Shirik |
| 14:56.42 | DWSR | ~epic fail Shirik |
| 14:56.43 | purl | Shirik, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Shirik, you are that epic failure. |
| 14:56.47 | [Wobin] | ~failrik |
| 14:56.47 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
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| 14:58.09 | [Wobin] | are you saying 'Profound' can only -ever- be used to describe a physical depth? |
| 14:58.16 | Mikk | foxlit: nop, it only cares about "{{evt" |
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| 14:58.29 | [Wobin] | what english do -you- speak, where there are no exceptions to a rule? |
| 14:58.32 | foxlit | Alright. I'll probably strip those tables just to see if it makes any difference, then. |
| 14:58.41 | [Wobin] | or to a definition |
| 14:59.02 | Shirik | Shinglish |
| 14:59.15 | [Wobin] | beats Shirik with a shingle |
| 14:59.43 | foxlit | Shirlish is clearly superior |
| 15:02.20 | Mikk | foxlit: hmmmm |
| 15:02.23 | Mikk | check out the evt template |
| 15:02.35 | Mikk | i know what it's for now |
| 15:03.28 | Mikk | but it doesn't explain why it exists in the pages themselves |
| 15:04.35 | foxlit | Doesn't explain why they open a table after the last entry, anyhow |
| 15:04.50 | foxlit | The close-at-start matches the table opened by the header, I suppose. |
| 15:05.16 | Mikk | yeah it doesn't explain why there's a bunch of {| |} inside the pages themselves |
| 15:05.31 | Mikk | yes - the templates open and close tables to create indentation |
| 15:05.32 | Mikk | but |
| 15:05.32 | Mikk | eh |
| 15:06.31 | Mikk | oh wait i have it now |
| 15:06.55 | Mikk | there should be a |} before ==== ==== and then one after |
| 15:07.09 | Mikk | and those are only there to create edit links |
| 15:07.15 | Mikk | maybe that was jsut a bad idea altogether |
| 15:07.22 | Mikk | it seemed smart at the time :P |
| 15:17.30 | DWSR | http://elitistjerks.com/rawr.php <-- Oh hey |
| 15:18.08 | Fisker | old |
| 15:18.18 | Fisker | which reminds me |
| 15:18.33 | Fisker | i fu'd because i was doing some HEAVY WORK with it |
| 15:18.37 | Fisker | and i forgot to let it finish |
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| 15:29.15 | Shirik | wow, DWSR, way to kill my browser |
| 15:29.31 | Shirik | It was all like "This webpage has dynamic content which was suspended because it took too much memory" |
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| 15:29.57 | batrick | hey shirik |
| 15:30.02 | Shirik | hey batrick |
| 15:30.02 | batrick | faiiiiiiiiiiiiil |
| 15:30.08 | batrick | no chess QQ |
| 15:30.14 | Shirik | you're the one who turned down the request |
| 15:30.20 | batrick | ya |
| 15:30.24 | batrick | the one time iturn you down |
| 15:30.29 | batrick | when you've said no a billion times |
| 15:30.32 | DWSR | Shirik: Yeah, I know. |
| 15:30.36 | DWSR | Supermassive failo |
| 15:30.37 | DWSR | fail* |
| 15:35.58 | DanielAstbury | I've had a look on google and found a few websites, but can anyone recommend the best site to start WoW ui development from scratch? I know Lua off-by-heart and from theback of my hand, but is there a reference type website which has all the changes, additions and fixes that Blizzard have made to the standard Lua interpreter? |
| 15:36.27 | cog|work | they really didn't make many changes to the interpreter |
| 15:36.34 | cog|work | it's all about the API |
| 15:36.37 | cog|work | ~wowprogramming |
| 15:36.38 | purl | from memory, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 15:37.28 | DanielAstbury | thank you :) |
| 15:37.51 | cog|work | np :) |
| 15:39.52 | Mikk | AAAAAHAHAHAA 16:39:04 Zootfizzle says: No, not the cogs! Anything but the cogs! |
| 15:40.02 | Mikk | i should have done sholazar sooner obviously ^^ |
| 15:40.08 | cog|work | obviously... |
| 15:40.09 | cog|work | :P |
| 15:40.29 | Mikk | and i still suspect an ugly change in table.sort() somehow |
| 15:40.41 | cog|work | The other guy with zoot at the camp even makes a comment something like "I was just talking with zootfizzle about the drawbacks of cogs..." |
| 15:41.34 | Mikk | hahahaha |
| 15:42.02 | Mikk | anyway i'm trying to squash a bug in Baggins |
| 15:42.11 | Mikk | where i'm getting "invalid order function for sorting" |
| 15:42.14 | Mikk | BUT! |
| 15:42.14 | cog|work | big bad bag bug |
| 15:42.29 | Mikk | if type(itemlist)~="table" or type(func)~="function" then error() |
| 15:42.32 | Mikk | just before |
| 15:43.03 | Mikk | and i even iterate 1..#mytable making sure the values are set to something (either a string or a subtable in my case) |
| 15:43.25 | Mikk | and THEN i wrap the function inside an error-catcher that pcalls the sort function |
| 15:43.45 | Mikk | just so that no input data can be broken, or the system goes kaboom from errors inside the sorting function |
| 15:43.52 | Mikk | AND IM STILL GETTING THE BLOODY ERROR |
| 15:43.55 | Mikk | headdesks |
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| 15:45.41 | Mikk | ooooh hey |
| 15:45.44 | Mikk | just found something |
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| 15:46.15 | Mikk | wow this explains a lot |
| 15:46.47 | Mikk | http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2008-02/msg00279.html |
| 15:47.02 | cog|work | station |
| 15:47.57 | Shirik | Mikk |
| 15:48.01 | Shirik | I could have helped you with this |
| 15:48.07 | Mikk | so basically somewhere i get a test a>b, return X... and later on get tested for b>a and still return X |
| 15:48.15 | Mikk | and it hates me for it |
| 15:48.25 | nevcairiel | invalid sort function is invalid |
| 15:48.56 | Mikk | up yours etc! =) |
| 15:49.06 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:49.11 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.46 | Mikk | Shirik: yeah well i've only brought it up half a dozen times here and in #wowace :p |
| 15:49.50 | Lopeppeppy | Morning Lunessa. |
| 15:49.56 | Shirik | well you should have summoned me |
| 15:49.58 | Mikk | haha clearly |
| 15:50.08 | Mikk | well.. you learn something new every day they say |
| 15:50.11 | Mikk | certainly did today |
| 15:50.22 | Mikk | severely misleading error message, that |
| 15:50.40 | Mikk | "error: your sort function should make up its mind" <- better |
| 15:51.08 | DWSR | Shirik: lawl. Rawr's offline version doesn't even start properly. |
| 15:51.11 | haste | stabs alsa some. |
| 15:51.40 | DWSR | What an awesome public beta. |
| 15:51.56 | Shirik | I can't believe they're calling it Rawr |
| 15:52.01 | Shirik | or is it by the same author? |
| 15:52.01 | DWSR | More like FAIL |
| 15:52.04 | DWSR | It is. |
| 15:52.06 | Shirik | ok |
| 15:52.20 | Shirik | still, I'm not fond of EJ, never have been |
| 15:52.23 | DWSR | I still can't believe that they're doing it in fucking Silverlight. |
| 15:52.33 | nevcairiel | you know, a pc screen on 24p is no fun, the cursor is all slow and laggish |
| 15:53.05 | Mikk | ahh young padawan, you clearly never used monochrome LCD screens back in the 80s |
| 15:53.13 | Mikk | tracking the mouse cursor on THAT... now THAT was fun |
| 15:53.37 | Mikk | update speed of upwards of 1 second it felt like >.< |
| 15:54.02 | olafski | *cough* what's 24p |
| 15:54.16 | olafski | oh.. 24 fps |
| 15:54.39 | nevcairiel | actually 23.976 |
| 15:54.43 | haste | you should use novell netware instead nevcairiel ! |
| 15:55.07 | haste | the UI ran on such a low priority that the mouse would skip at minimal load |
| 15:56.38 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 15:56.43 | nevcairiel | but i just want to see my movies without judder or tearing! |
| 15:56.46 | nevcairiel | not use novell :( |
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| 16:11.10 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
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| 16:33.47 | Lunessa | win? http://xkcd.com/716/ |
| 16:34.28 | nevcairiel | old, but yes |
| 16:35.15 | Lunessa | I didn't read comics all weekend. I spent most of the last three days in deep sleep. |
| 16:36.21 | nevcairiel | it was out friday! thats what you do friday morning at work! :) |
| 16:36.59 | Lunessa | I was off Friday. Sleep, movies, try to figure out SCII |
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| 16:37.04 | Lunessa | Oh, and some WoW. |
| 16:37.30 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
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| 17:10.34 | Alleidun | May I ask which irc clients you're using ? |
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| 17:11.00 | haste | weechat |
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| 17:11.36 | alestane | Here's an odd exchange: http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2010/03/22/ |
| 17:11.40 | Lopeppeppy | Trillian. |
| 17:12.09 | Lopeppeppy | Are you looking for one, Alleidun, or just doing a survey? |
| 17:13.02 | Alleidun | I'm erhm, looking for one better than mirc and xchat, or actually just looking to figure out which one suits me. Haven't been using irc for about 12-13 years and back then I used irc, but since it's become a payable option, I'm not liking it too much |
| 17:14.26 | Alleidun | weechat looks wicked from screenies, like any serious geeks love dream :P |
| 17:14.43 | Alleidun | no offense haste :P |
| 17:14.49 | haste | I used irssi from 2002 till 2009, and switchend to weechat during it's rc |
| 17:15.48 | haste | but you know there are open source builds of x-chat for windows? |
| 17:15.56 | Cide | ychat |
| 17:15.58 | Fisker | stop selling my email information haste |
| 17:16.09 | Cide | http://www.silverex.org/news/ |
| 17:16.11 | haste | I was thinking of http://www.silverex.org/download/ :P |
| 17:17.15 | Alleidun | Think I'll try and down the different ones and test them out |
| 17:17.57 | PProvost | Maybe it has changed (haven't looked) but for a long time the silverex builds were not being done any more |
| 17:18.07 | PProvost | That's when I switched to irssi and then weechat |
| 17:20.45 | Alleidun | hmm |
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| 17:27.02 | Lopeppeppy | I use Trillian in order to use just one client at work for all IM and IRC platforms. It's not a super-great IRC client. |
| 17:27.13 | Lunessa | But it works. |
| 17:27.27 | Alleidun | I only use irc atm :) Not any of all the other IM's |
| 17:29.36 | Lunessa | For Windows, I also use Trillian, but for Mac OSX I use Colloquy. |
| 17:30.28 | nevcairiel | I rather use pidgin, Free > Trillian :) but i refuse to use it for irc |
| 17:31.20 | DWSR | Alleidun: kvirc. |
| 17:31.52 | Alleidun | one second |
| 17:31.59 | Lopeppeppy | Trillian Astra is free. |
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| 17:32.31 | nevcairiel | its a "free" version with a pro version |
| 17:32.35 | Ackis | You have successfully redeemed a code for: Dark One Mask. It has been added to your download queue. yay! |
| 17:32.36 | nevcairiel | but i can rephrase for clarity |
| 17:32.42 | Ackis | so I ordered a new PC on the wekend |
| 17:32.44 | Ackis | *weekend |
| 17:32.48 | nevcairiel | Open-Source > Prop |
| 17:32.54 | MentalPower | ChatZilla FTW! |
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| 17:33.18 | Ackis | i7 930/ 6 gig of ram, 2x1.5 TB drives, gtx 285 video card (my current one), asus P6B mobo |
| 17:34.03 | nevcairiel | only 6gb? cheapo! |
| 17:34.22 | Ackis | I can upgrade later if I want to :P |
| 17:34.37 | Ackis | the only concern I have is the hard drives, I got the ones that fail all the time |
| 17:34.44 | nevcairiel | which ones? |
| 17:35.10 | Ackis | seagates I think |
| 17:35.17 | nevcairiel | which generation? |
| 17:35.21 | Ackis | .11 |
| 17:35.50 | nevcairiel | indeed, should've gone for .12 |
| 17:36.06 | Ackis | $100 for 1.5TB drives was good |
| 17:36.15 | nevcairiel | although they dont have 1.5tb in .12 yet |
| 17:36.21 | nevcairiel | only 1tb or 2tb in the XT series |
| 17:36.39 | Fisker | AckiS |
| 17:36.42 | Fisker | damnit |
| 17:36.47 | Fisker | you're not allowed to use computers |
| 17:37.13 | Ackis | I almost ended up getting a SSD as well, decided against it |
| 17:37.26 | nevcairiel | i am still waiting for the next generation of ssds |
| 17:37.35 | nevcairiel | for lower prices and longer field testing |
| 17:37.38 | Ackis | I thought you had one already |
| 17:37.41 | Fisker | STOP! |
| 17:37.42 | nevcairiel | nop |
| 17:37.59 | Alleidun | why not a couple of x25m in a raid setup for the system drive ? |
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| 17:38.29 | Ackis | I'm not doing raid this time |
| 17:38.35 | Ackis | too much hassle |
| 17:38.52 | Fisker | I'm buying 2x160GB for raid |
| 17:38.52 | Fisker | ! |
| 17:38.53 | Fisker | :D |
| 17:38.58 | zenzelezz | Ackis: so get a 5-man instead |
| 17:39.01 | nevcairiel | on-board raid sucks, and an additional raid controller is too much of an effort imho :P |
| 17:39.21 | Fisker | your mom is onboard raid |
| 17:39.53 | nevcairiel | for a desktop box anyway |
| 17:39.53 | Lunessa | Unless you need hot-swapping, redundancy, or other raid features. RAID is too much effort for home use. |
| 17:40.08 | nevcairiel | i am planning to get a fileserver with a 8port raid controller |
| 17:40.22 | Fisker | Yeah Lunessa unless you need it for raid, raid is too much effort |
| 17:40.38 | Ackis | so what I'll do is transfer stuff over to the new system, RMA the broken 500gig drive in my current system then sell it |
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| 17:41.19 | Fisker | i should almost RMA my velociraptor |
| 17:41.42 | Lunessa | Fisker: My point is just this - unless there are features of RAID you absolutely need, the setting up RAID for home use is like swatting a fly with a bazooka. |
| 17:41.42 | Ackis | Fisker: if you register DoW2 with THQ you get free GFWL DLC for it!! |
| 17:41.48 | Fisker | zomg |
| 17:42.07 | Fisker | yeah Lunessa if you don't need RAID, raid is too much effort |
| 17:42.13 | Ackis | Lunessa: raid 0/1 both provide performance increases I thought, and setting it up was easy |
| 17:42.16 | Fisker | hurrdurrs a bit |
| 17:42.24 | Fisker | Ackis that's a raid feature |
| 17:42.40 | DWSR | Lunessa: RAID's easy... |
| 17:42.41 | Alleidun | I don't find it that hard to setup tbh. Plug in the shit and press the power button :P |
| 17:42.48 | Lunessa | Ackis: I'm too lazy to worry about it much. |
| 17:43.07 | Ackis | what I don't like about it is that I have to disable the raid to do drive diagnostics |
| 17:43.44 | nevcairiel | Ackis: raid 0 also has a doubled risk of eating all your dataz :d |
| 17:43.45 | Fisker | drive diagnostic tools suck shit |
| 17:44.06 | Ackis | nevcairiel: how so? |
| 17:44.12 | DWSR | Ackis: Half MTTF |
| 17:44.22 | Fisker | and nothing of value was lost nevcairiel |
| 17:44.40 | Alleidun | if one breaks Ackis, all data on all drives are lost ;) |
| 17:44.40 | nevcairiel | Ackis: your data is spread over two drives to increase performance, so if one breaks, the data on both is gone |
| 17:44.49 | Ackis | nevcairiel: ahh ok /agree |
| 17:45.30 | Fisker | totally untrue nevcairiel |
| 17:45.33 | Fisker | you have half on one |
| 17:45.34 | Ackis | are there still performance hits for having too big of a partition? |
| 17:45.41 | Fisker | oh snaps |
| 17:45.48 | DWSR | alestane, you there? |
| 17:45.52 | nevcairiel | too big of an partition? |
| 17:45.53 | Fisker | you need to run GPT for 2TB or bigger partitions or whatever |
| 17:45.58 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 17:46.03 | nevcairiel | dos partitions dont support over 2tb |
| 17:46.16 | Alleidun | dos don't support shit |
| 17:46.22 | Alleidun | but it's stable |
| 17:46.26 | nevcairiel | it worked fine till now |
| 17:46.38 | nevcairiel | just the size limit finally hit :d |
| 17:47.09 | Ackis | I thought the larger partition there was, the more file handles you have the more it takes to traverse them |
| 17:48.42 | cbreak | only if you have a dumb FS |
| 17:49.13 | cbreak | HFS uses B* trees for it. I bet NTFS, BTRFS, ZFS and all the other modern or present file systems use similar |
| 17:49.25 | cbreak | well... or better :) |
| 17:49.52 | foxlit | http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/20/neofonie-announces-wepad-11-6-inch-android-slate/ |
| 17:50.45 | foxlit | I'm somewhat perplexed by their choice of name |
| 17:51.20 | cbreak | I think they didn't think about it |
| 17:51.25 | cbreak | WeePad? :/ |
| 17:51.37 | foxlit | That'd get you sued by Nintendo |
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| 17:52.32 | Kraps | hey whats with the required identification? |
| 17:52.54 | Lunessa | Seriously, why are gadgets getting names that sound like bodily functions? What's next, the PooPad? |
| 17:52.54 | cbreak | required identification? |
| 17:53.02 | Lopeppeppy | Spam bots = the channel being locked. |
| 17:53.11 | Kraps | that bad? |
| 17:53.13 | foxlit | Can't spam bots register? |
| 17:53.17 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: its WePad, not PeePad |
| 17:53.47 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: "wee" is slang for urinate in the states. |
| 17:53.55 | foxlit | YouPad next, clealry. |
| 17:53.57 | nevcairiel | its your own fault, then! |
| 17:54.31 | Ackis | Fisker: did you know I broke GFWL on the weekend? |
| 17:57.32 | Fisker | nope |
| 17:58.07 | Ackis | I did |
| 17:58.23 | Ackis | the GFWL client has it's own authentication and it also relies on IE's cookie authentication |
| 17:59.34 | industrial | my god |
| 17:59.42 | industrial | so I'm rolling a spliff and eating candy right |
| 17:59.49 | Cide | more like W/e-pad |
| 17:59.53 | industrial | I almost chucked a bit of weed down |
| 17:59.57 | industrial | >_>' |
| 18:00.11 | Cide | I'm calling the police |
| 18:00.26 | industrial | BEEE BAWWWW BEEEE BAWWWW |
| 18:00.58 | industrial | In other news I started playing again |
| 18:01.08 | DWSR | If you're repeating a class, is it plagarism to copy your own assignment from the last time that you did the course? |
| 18:01.10 | industrial | Expect updates and patches where neccesary. |
| 18:01.32 | industrial | DWSR: no. You have your own consent (I hope). |
| 18:01.44 | cbreak | DWSR: just quote yourself |
| 18:01.49 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23767563532&sid=1 |
| 18:01.49 | foxlit | DWSR: but you may not be allowed to, anyhow. |
| 18:01.52 | cbreak | if you mark it as quote, it's not plagiarism |
| 18:01.56 | Lopeppeppy | If you have to repeat the class, is it wise to copy the assignments that didn't work the first time? |
| 18:02.04 | cbreak | good point |
| 18:02.14 | industrial | DWSR: you suck! |
| 18:02.26 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Well, I got a 90% on this assignment. |
| 18:02.28 | DWSR | So...yes? |
| 18:02.34 | DWSR | (I just did poorly on the exams). |
| 18:02.49 | theorbtwo | DWSR: Well, then, do a once-over so you'll get a 95%? |
| 18:02.54 | industrial | boring classes, course work is a piecacake amirite DWSR ? |
| 18:03.09 | theorbtwo | Did you get any feedback on it the last time through, or just a number? |
| 18:03.57 | DWSR | theorbtwo: Got some feedback |
| 18:04.03 | DWSR | So yeah, I'll just adjust what I got wrong. |
| 18:04.14 | DWSR | But I'm going to copy down the theory section verbatim, since I got perfect on that part. |
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| 18:04.48 | theorbtwo | Makes sense to me. |
| 18:05.11 | DWSR | Yep |
| 18:05.26 | DWSR | Well, the reason I ask is that I'm pretty sure one of the TAs is doing a poor job of marking. |
| 18:05.41 | cbreak | you get the same exercises? |
| 18:05.58 | DWSR | And I got perfect on this section before, so I wanted to copy it down verbatim. If I get anything less than perfect on it this time, I'm going to bring it up with the course administrator and tell her to remark my assignment. |
| 18:06.00 | cbreak | in my university, homework was optional after the first two years |
| 18:06.02 | DWSR | cbreak: It's a first year lab, so yeah. |
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| 18:06.11 | cbreak | (which was bad, since I didn't do them... ) |
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| 18:12.49 | Kraps | http://digg.com/people/Flamewar_circa_1839_PIC |
| 18:23.24 | Lunessa | Kraps: I am offended sirrah, and I demand satisfaction. Your second can arrange the time and place with mine. |
| 18:24.40 | Kraps | oy :( |
| 18:26.29 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm. /popcorn |
| 18:28.29 | Lunessa | :P |
| 18:28.54 | Lunessa | Any hardcore warriors out there? Sweeping Strikes is a power-up, and not on the GCD right? |
| 18:30.05 | Kraps | getting punted off a rampart is sad |
| 18:32.40 | Lunessa | Kraps: Use Thunderstorm - it's fun. |
| 18:33.03 | Lunessa | I've used it to knock foes off bridges and walls. |
| 18:36.39 | Fisker | Thunderstorm should be a violation of the law |
| 18:36.42 | Fisker | (criminal scum) |
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| 18:38.10 | Lunessa | Lake Wintersgrasp; never will you find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. |
| 18:39.28 | Lopeppeppy | Han shot first!! |
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| 18:50.05 | Kaso | are there any 3.3.3 lua/xml changes? |
| 18:50.56 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 18:52.28 | Kaso | There's no 3.3.3 thread in the uis & macros forum at least, i guess ptr notes are the only source of info? |
| 18:53.46 | nevcairiel | interface diffs are ftw :) |
| 18:55.40 | Kaso | does wow compares work nowadays? |
| 18:56.46 | nevcairiel | yeah but its not always up to date |
| 18:56.54 | Lunessa | it works, but it's just a download of the stuff that was changed in an zip file. No more complete files of everything. |
| 18:57.32 | nevcairiel | Kaso: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/134445 |
| 18:57.35 | nevcairiel | long diff is long |
| 18:57.50 | Kaso | Lunessa, that's a shame :( |
| 18:57.56 | Kaso | why was that changed? |
| 18:58.17 | Lunessa | Kaso: I don't know. I suspect copyright reasons or bandwidth reasons. |
| 18:58.36 | nevcairiel | it was moved to another server and rebuilt completly, quite possible that its not done yet |
| 18:58.58 | nevcairiel | just sign up for kd3's mailing list if you want to be informed about any and all UI changes |
| 18:59.27 | Kaso | i remember it used to seem to do syntax highlighting on the fl uncached or something because GlobalStrings took forever and a day to load |
| 18:59.33 | Kaso | perhaps i shall do that |
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| 19:00.22 | Lunessa | And make sure you grab the extractor so you can just make you own local copies. |
| 19:02.24 | nevcairiel | btw, BSG on bluray, very much ftw |
| 19:03.04 | Thunder_Child | no nevcairiel, no |
| 19:03.41 | Lunessa | I've only ever seen the first season (of the SyFy series) and the pilot for Caprica. The series seems so different from the 1979 & 1980 stuff that they really needed different names. |
| 19:04.03 | nevcairiel | i didnt really see the initial one |
| 19:04.33 | nevcairiel | and TC, yes it is! |
| 19:04.52 | Thunder_Child | no, BSG is fail |
| 19:05.03 | Fisker | what is it Lunessa ? |
| 19:05.14 | Fisker | oh |
| 19:05.19 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: It came out when I was a kid and we ALL watched it. Starbuck is a man, and the campy/cheesy stuff is AWESOME. |
| 19:05.20 | Fisker | bsg sucks yeah |
| 19:05.37 | alestane | I haven't used Sweeping Strikes since they bounced it back out of fury into Arms, Lunessa, but my understanding is that it's off the GCD. |
| 19:06.03 | Lunessa | alestane: Thanks, my quick-and-dirty research led me to that conclusion. |
| 19:06.06 | nevcairiel | its just the best series of the century! |
| 19:06.17 | Fisker | naw nevcairiel |
| 19:06.17 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: /disagree |
| 19:06.29 | nevcairiel | you guys are just weird |
| 19:06.41 | nevcairiel | whoever agrees with fisker is doomed, dont you know that? |
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| 19:06.55 | Thunder_Child | doomed to win |
| 19:07.01 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: I think our 'agreement' is purely coincidental. |
| 19:07.14 | nevcairiel | Whatever helps you to sleep! |
| 19:07.23 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 19:07.36 | Thunder_Child | a homicide |
| 19:08.01 | alestane | Nap monster still calls me on a daily basis. Dreams nearly as wacky as when I was running a fever. |
| 19:08.44 | nevcairiel | anyway, no matter if you like BSG or not, the blurays have really nice video and especially audio quality |
| 19:09.32 | alestane | WoWCompares has also had issues that the maintainer's been going through job changes IIRC. |
| 19:12.12 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, you have to break the nap habit. |
| 19:12.45 | alestane | Yes, it makes me reply to conversations 15 minutes late. |
| 19:13.17 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: I don't have a player. I still watch things on plain ol' DVD. |
| 19:15.07 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/465888809 |
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| 19:18.55 | Shirik | Adys |
| 19:19.00 | Shirik | why do you continue to link unfunny things |
| 19:22.52 | Adys | why do you continue to comment on them? |
| 19:23.46 | Fisker | why do you persist mr. del buono? |
| 19:24.12 | Thunder_Child | why do you all fail so much? |
| 19:24.22 | Shirik | why do you all copy me? |
| 19:24.27 | Shirik | Is it because I am awesome? |
| 19:24.34 | Shirik | I know it is you do not have to humble |
| 19:24.45 | Shirik | everyone wishes they were me |
| 19:25.07 | Fisker | i didn't copy you Shirik |
| 19:25.07 | Fisker | l2p |
| 19:25.18 | zenzelezz | <Shirik> why do you continue to link unfunny things <-- I thought that said "lick" o_O |
| 19:25.21 | Shirik | ... |
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| 19:26.21 | Lunessa | Shirik: I do not wish to be you, like you, or similar to you. I prefer for you to be you, and me to be me. |
| 19:28.45 | alestane | I've met some people who need to stop licking unfunny things. |
| 19:29.50 | Lopeppeppy | .... *giggle snark* |
| 19:30.16 | zenzelezz | then you didn't find the right spot |
| 19:34.42 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: giggle snark = snarky giggle? |
| 19:35.12 | DWSR | On a side note. |
| 19:35.20 | DWSR | There is trance of a legendary variety currently playing. |
| 19:35.29 | zenzelezz | no, it's those small exploding creatures in Half-Life 1. Picture them running towards you, giggling at your impending death |
| 19:35.57 | DWSR | zenzelezz: That's a giggling snark. |
| 19:36.05 | Lopeppeppy | snarky giggling |
| 19:36.23 | Lopeppeppy | But it does imply impending death for something/someone usually. |
| 19:36.32 | DWSR | is skurred! |
| 19:36.43 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR |
| 19:36.48 | DWSR | ! |
| 19:36.51 | DWSR | needs teh huggle! |
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| 19:44.57 | DWSR | !api UnitIsFriendly |
| 19:45.09 | DWSR | Oh fuck you luabot. |
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| 19:58.37 | DWSR | Shadowed |
| 19:58.41 | DWSR | I found a problem with EG. |
| 19:58.50 | DWSR | It doesn't deduct points for not having gear equipped in slots. |
| 19:58.50 | olafski | maybe you should mention what the problem is |
| 19:58.52 | olafski | ah :P |
| 19:59.07 | olafski | are you saying I should be penalized for tanking naked? :s |
| 19:59.19 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 19:59.30 | DWSR | yes |
| 19:59.46 | Shadowed | not really a bug per say |
| 20:00.06 | DWSR | per se* |
| 20:01.35 | Shadowed | it's something I'll pull in from EA when I can |
| 20:01.40 | Shadowed | but it's not exactly a bug, so not a high priority |
| 20:02.08 | DWSR | Shadowed: I can understand the value of it for, say, 2H users. |
| 20:02.16 | DWSR | However. |
| 20:02.26 | DWSR | People who don't have a neckpiece of trinkets equipped should definitely be deducted marks. |
| 20:02.32 | DWSR | Make it count as ilvl 1 or something. |
| 20:03.31 | Shadowed | As I said, it's not a bug. EA already does it, but since it's not a bug it's not a priority |
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| 20:04.12 | Shirik | enterprise architect? |
| 20:04.29 | Shadowed | http://www.elitistarmory.com smartass! |
| 20:05.26 | Shirik | how am I supposed to know! |
| 20:05.26 | Shirik | EA to me means enterprise architect |
| 20:05.27 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 20:05.27 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 20:05.27 | Shadowed | uh huh |
| 20:05.28 | Shadowed | sureeee |
| 20:05.29 | Shirik | ~failDWSR |
| 20:05.32 | Shadowed | good job |
| 20:05.40 | Shadowed | claps |
| 20:05.42 | DWSR | rofl |
| 20:05.52 | DWSR | The irony of the delayed resonse. |
| 20:05.54 | DWSR | reponse* |
| 20:06.12 | haste | ~cookie |
| 20:06.25 | haste | ~botsnacks |
| 20:06.25 | purl | :), haste |
| 20:06.27 | haste | ! |
| 20:06.46 | Adys | ~botsmack |
| 20:06.47 | purl | OWW! |
| 20:06.59 | Adys | ~factinfo botsmack |
| 20:06.59 | purl | botsmack -- created by g4lt <galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc> at Wed Apr 14 02:07:29 2004 (2168 days); it has been requested 48 times, last by Adys, 13s ago. |
| 20:06.59 | Shirik | ~cookie |
| 20:07.07 | Adys | ~factinfo botsnack |
| 20:07.07 | purl | there's no such factoid as botsnack, Adys |
| 20:07.14 | Adys | sucks to be you |
| 20:07.16 | Adys | ~factinfo botsnacks |
| 20:07.16 | purl | there's no such factoid as botsnacks, Adys |
| 20:07.24 | Shirik | bad Adys |
| 20:07.26 | Shirik | botsnack is a builtin |
| 20:07.39 | Adys | i figured as much but i thought it'd just be treated as a regular factoid |
| 20:07.46 | DWSR | ~epic fail Adys |
| 20:07.47 | purl | Adys, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Adys, you are that epic failure. |
| 20:08.12 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. |
| 20:08.15 | Lopeppeppy | Legendary. |
| 20:08.27 | DWSR | I realize that being able to have flame wars entirely through purl would be an interesting thing to watch. |
| 20:08.56 | DWSR | ~legendary fail Adys |
| 20:09.04 | DWSR | Heh, too bad. |
| 20:09.22 | Thunder_Child | i can write that one as well, give me some time |
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| 20:11.41 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/28566/ |
| 20:11.51 | Adys | someone please tell me I'm not the only one not reading his name properly |
| 20:13.22 | Lopeppeppy | I guess you're going to have to explain |
| 20:13.40 | DWSR | You're not. |
| 20:13.51 | DWSR | Tip o' the hat to CAD? |
| 20:14.11 | Shirik | wtf? Fedex calls everyone that has to sign for a package? |
| 20:14.36 | durcyn | no, a tribute to CAD would be a temporary vehicle called "The Missed Carriage", or the like. |
| 20:15.17 | Lopeppeppy | no shirik, you're just very lucky |
| 20:15.23 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:15.37 | Thunder_Child | it's a good thing Shirik |
| 20:17.21 | Lunessa | Shadowed: EA is your project? |
| 20:17.25 | Shadowed | Lunessa yups |
| 20:17.34 | Shirik | I work with EA on a daily basis |
| 20:17.46 | Shirik | no wonder it's full of bugs if you work on it |
| 20:17.47 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:17.48 | Fisker | are you ferming? |
| 20:17.55 | Shirik | ferming? |
| 20:18.11 | Fisker | i.e. fermi'ing |
| 20:18.13 | Fisker | or whatever |
| 20:18.15 | Dashkal | purl, have a cookie |
| 20:18.16 | purl | Ta. *Munch* |
| 20:19.43 | Shirik | Ta? |
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| 20:19.44 | Lunessa | Shadowed: Kind of neat. Though looking at my main there makes me feel somewhat n00bish. :P |
| 20:19.47 | Shirik | That needs to be deleted |
| 20:19.48 | Shadowed | :P |
| 20:20.29 | Shadowed | Lunessa: It's mostly a project for learning RoR/CSS/HTML/all the fancy web 2.0 stuff |
| 20:20.30 | olafski | has execute ever been a channeled ability? |
| 20:20.32 | Shadowed | and world domination |
| 20:20.41 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, everypeople. |
| 20:21.01 | Shadowed | always world domination |
| 20:22.32 | Lunessa | What are we going to do tonight, Shadowed? The same thing we do every night, Lunessa; Try to take over the world! *dramatic music* |
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| 20:23.22 | Shadowed | See, The Brain had the right idea, but you have to take over the world 24/7 |
| 20:23.23 | Shadowed | not just at night |
| 20:23.40 | Lunessa | *narf* |
| 20:25.15 | krka | Yes, I am, ! |
| 20:25.17 | krka | I think so, Larry, and um, , but how can we get seven dwarves to shave their legs? |
| 20:25.24 | krka | I think so, Brain, but there's still a bug stuck in here from last time. |
| 20:25.33 | krka | Wuh, I think so, Brain, but how will we get three pink flamingos into one pair of Capri pants? |
| 20:26.00 | durcyn | krka's botting again :| |
| 20:26.10 | krka | I think so, durcyn, but isn't a cucumber that small called a gherkin? |
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| 20:30.57 | Shadowed | ac |
| 20:30.59 | Shadowed | k |
| 20:31.03 | DWSR | i |
| 20:31.04 | DWSR | s |
| 20:31.05 | DWSR | ? |
| 20:31.08 | Shadowed | SSH has decided to keep dropping me :< |
| 20:31.18 | Shirik | l2screen |
| 20:31.30 | Bruners | can happend in screen as well |
| 20:31.49 | Shirik | but you wouldn't "lol hangup" |
| 20:32.00 | Shadowed | then I wouldn't be able to use Limechat |
| 20:32.05 | Shadowed | and I would be quite sad, do you want me to be sad Shirik? |
| 20:32.10 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:32.15 | Shadowed | bad Shirik |
| 20:32.21 | Bruners | l2irssi/weechat |
| 20:32.37 | Shadowed | god no |
| 20:32.52 | Bruners | limechat sounds sour |
| 20:32.55 | Shadowed | hate CLI IRC clients |
| 20:33.04 | DWSR | Shadowed: Dude. |
| 20:33.07 | DWSR | l2run ZNC. |
| 20:33.14 | Shirik | ^ |
| 20:33.27 | Shirik | l2havesomeoneelserunzncforyousothattheycankillyourconnectionwhenevertheywant |
| 20:33.44 | DWSR | Shirik's just jealous because I rooted his box. He doesn't know it yet though |
| 20:33.48 | Shirik | orly |
| 20:33.53 | DWSR | yarly. |
| 20:34.03 | Bruners | Shadowed: because IRC needs billions of fancy gui extras |
| 20:34.50 | Shadowed | Never said it required a fancy GUI, but I dislike CLI UIs for IRC |
| 20:35.03 | Shadowed | Tried them before, they are more of a hassle than anything |
| 20:35.05 | Shirik | enter super-secure mode! |
| 20:35.21 | Shirik | lolowned? |
| 20:35.24 | Shadowed | good job you killed him |
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| 20:35.55 | Shirik | <3 |
| 20:35.55 | Shadowed | will have to use ZNC some point, but need a free server first :> |
| 20:36.10 | DWSR | Shadowed: Just ask Shirik. :) |
| 20:36.15 | Shadowed | I don't trust Shirik |
| 20:36.18 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:36.19 | Bruners | Shadowed: l2notusemac |
| 20:36.21 | durcyn | the gui clients that display inline images are particularly amusing |
| 20:36.48 | durcyn | it's like someone out there's deliberately trying to resurrect the goatse maneuver |
| 20:36.52 | Bruners | Microsoft Comic Chat! |
| 20:37.10 | Shadowed | yea I never understood why people want inline images on IRC, I'm convinced they don't actually use IRC |
| 20:37.15 | Shirik | ^ |
| 20:37.34 | nevcairiel | we have inline images |
| 20:37.37 | nevcairiel | its called ascii art |
| 20:37.39 | Bruners | if you want that they can go use something else |
| 20:38.01 | Bruners | s/you/they |
| 20:38.05 | Fisker | hey Shadowed |
| 20:38.18 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 20:38.24 | Fisker | no del buono |
| 20:38.27 | Fisker | i'm heying Shadowed |
| 20:38.31 | Bruners | Fisker: any prices on the fermi yet? |
| 20:38.31 | Shadowed | Shirik you sould make your bot ban Fisker if he says more than one line in an hour |
| 20:38.32 | Shadowed | for fun |
| 20:38.43 | Fisker | naw Bruners |
| 20:38.56 | Shirik | !quote REMOVE #wowuidev Shadowed |
| 20:38.57 | batbot | Shirik, remove has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 20:39.01 | Shirik | hm, wrong command |
| 20:39.07 | Shirik | I forget the force quit command |
| 20:39.12 | Shadowed | what |
| 20:39.17 | nevcairiel | it is remove :d |
| 20:39.18 | Shadowed | I'm confused :( |
| 20:39.21 | DWSR | It's remove. |
| 20:39.23 | Shirik | it is? |
| 20:39.25 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 20:39.32 | DWSR | You send it to chanserv |
| 20:39.36 | *** part/#wowuidev Shadowed (~Shadowed@li53-10.members.linode.com) |
| 20:39.39 | Shirik | hm |
| 20:39.43 | nevcairiel | its just that you are too blind to see that your bot isnt here |
| 20:39.45 | Shirik | wonder why it didn't work with Shiibot |
| 20:39.48 | Shirik | oh wow... |
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| 20:39.55 | DWSR | nevcairiel: COME ON |
| 20:39.58 | DWSR | I was going to keep him going for HOURS |
| 20:40.22 | Fisker | but i will get it Bruners |
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| 20:40.26 | Fisker | EDI |
| 20:40.28 | Shadowed | Cairenn|afk Shirik is being abusive to me :( |
| 20:40.30 | Shadowed | help! |
| 20:40.30 | Fisker | assuming direct control |
| 20:40.38 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Fisker!~Shadowed@li53-10.members.linode.com] by Shadowed (Fisker) |
| 20:41.04 | Shadowed | hmmm is Fisker banned |
| 20:41.08 | Shadowed | or is he slow |
| 20:41.17 | Shirik | (16:40:26) (Fisker) assuming direct control |
| 20:41.19 | Shirik | obviously not banned |
| 20:42.00 | Shadowed | and I was going to see waht bug he was complaining about |
| 20:42.02 | Shadowed | welp too bad for him |
| 20:43.42 | Bruners | Shadowed: i think you went over the line and abused your power |
| 20:43.48 | Shadowed | maybe |
| 20:43.52 | Bruners | Shadowed: you should say your sorry to fisker |
| 20:44.21 | Shadowed | he's gone forever |
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| 20:45.10 | Fisker | assuming direct control |
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| 20:45.23 | Shadowed | I think that got fixed Fisker |
| 20:45.31 | Shadowed | so despite saying that you won't get banned |
| 20:45.32 | Fisker | what did? |
| 20:45.41 | Fisker | why would i want to get banned? |
| 20:45.42 | Fisker | also |
| 20:45.44 | Fisker | assuming direct control |
| 20:45.46 | Fisker | assuming direct control |
| 20:45.47 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+qq *!*@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk *!brb@*] by EDI |
| 20:45.49 | Shadowed | well that will |
| 20:46.07 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-qq *!*@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk *!brb@*] by Shadowed |
| 20:46.27 | Fisker | i win |
| 20:46.35 | Shadowed | doesn't count |
| 20:46.38 | Fisker | i have an idea |
| 20:47.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker (n_a@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 20:47.16 | Shadowed | what are you trying |
| 20:47.22 | Fisker | secret |
| 20:47.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker (n_a@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 20:48.03 | Fisker | damn |
| 20:49.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker (n_a@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 20:49.20 | Fisker | damn |
| 20:50.05 | Dashkal | assuming direct control <-- *concussive, concussive, incinerate, sniper shot* dead before he finishes transforming |
| 20:50.24 | Dashkal | There, I killed Fisker. rejoice! |
| 20:50.30 | Shadowed | Were you trying to get banned based on auto joining |
| 20:50.35 | Shadowed | well, joining/leaving a few times |
| 20:50.36 | DWSR | Dashkal: You obviously don't play on hardcore. |
| 20:50.47 | Dashkal | DWSR: How can you tell? :P |
| 20:50.49 | Fisker | Did you play past the first you encountered Dashkal? |
| 20:50.56 | Fisker | naw Shadowed |
| 20:51.04 | Fisker | my motives were much more sinister |
| 20:51.12 | DWSR | Dashkal: Because that doesn't even strip away more than half of his barrier in hardcore. :P |
| 20:51.23 | Dashkal | Fisker: That works on vetran, but not hardcore or insanity. At least on horizion. I haven't made it to the snip on my infiltrator yet |
| 20:51.33 | Dashkal | ship* |
| 20:51.55 | Fisker | i mean you do realize that the one taking control doesn't actually die, right? |
| 20:52.27 | Dashkal | I've finished the game, I know who's actually taking control, yes. I was just being a smartass. |
| 20:52.50 | Fisker | Indeed |
| 20:52.51 | Dashkal | Grammar fail |
| 20:52.56 | Fisker | and i was being an even bigger smartass |
| 20:53.17 | Fisker | Someone might say that i was cracking wise |
| 20:53.20 | DWSR | Dashkal: You realize that the one taking direct control is being controlled, right? |
| 20:53.20 | Fisker | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 20:53.53 | DWSR | Fisker: Fail. You forgot the 1 liner before that. |
| 20:55.58 | Kraps | I just bought my 5th T9 piece. Its...epic. |
| 20:56.00 | Kraps | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 20:57.07 | haste | TOAST |
| 20:58.37 | Dashkal | mmm, toast |
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| 21:05.18 | Shadowed | hrm, anyone know what the format is for joining an IRC channel with a password, it's "JOIN <name> <password>" yes? |
| 21:06.29 | DWSR | yes |
| 21:06.44 | haste | http://irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/rfc2812.txt ! |
| 21:07.04 | haste | too lazy to look at my own code :P |
| 21:09.53 | Kraps | anyone use VuhDo? |
| 21:10.07 | Lunessa | It looks like this elemental shaman was ... shocked! *YEEEEEEEAAAAAH!* |
| 21:10.40 | DWSR | ~Lunessa++ |
| 21:10.57 | Kraps | ~Lunessa++ |
| 21:12.34 | Kraps | Hey Mage, you're looking kinda ... frosty. *YEEEEEEEAAAAAH!* |
| 21:12.59 | Lunessa | Shadowed: loading EA I went from #1 in queue, to #345 in queue and slowly winding down. Is this normal? |
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| 21:18.47 | Shadowed | Lunessa mmm |
| 21:19.03 | Shadowed | Shouldn't have jumped that high, but Rawr3 went public beta so mybe |
| 21:19.05 | Shadowed | let me check |
| 21:19.09 | alestane | "I just had a transplant," Tom said half-heartedly. |
| 21:19.16 | Lunessa | The odd thing was the queue position suddenly changing from #1 to #345 |
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| 21:19.47 | Shadowed | yea checking sql |
| 21:20.02 | Shadowed | errr wtf |
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| 21:21.12 | Shadowed | Looks fine Lunessa, I'm not sure why it spike to #345, it's normal to spike to #3-4, but not 1 -> 345 |
| 21:21.39 | Shadowed | It's possible the spiders hit a bunch of characters with unknown items thought |
| 21:21.42 | Lunessa | *nod* that's why I commented. It hasn't made a jump like than in the last three queries though. |
| 21:22.44 | Lunessa | However, it's choking on my warrior. |
| 21:22.47 | Shadowed | link |
| 21:22.57 | Shadowed | or query, whatever |
| 21:23.13 | Lunessa | http://www.elitistarmory.com/US/Kirin%20Tor/Steelsong |
| 21:23.42 | Lunessa | it just keeps trying to reload. |
| 21:23.44 | Shadowed | yea |
| 21:24.36 | Shadowed | weird fine for me locally, I think I fixed it already somehow |
| 21:24.46 | Shadowed | lemme deploy, moment |
| 21:26.04 | Shadowed | orrrr not hum |
| 21:26.15 | Fisker | cyclone dooooooown |
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| 21:27.53 | Shadowed | Not quite sure what happened Lunessa, but it's fixed. Just had to force it to refresh |
| 21:28.24 | Lunessa | Velly lntellesting. |
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| 21:42.09 | Kraps | whats the haste cap? i cant find a straight answer |
| 21:43.07 | Dagmar | It's different for different classes is why |
| 21:43.22 | Dagmar | There's sort of a soft cap for hunters which is very, very low |
| 21:43.28 | Kraps | i have a shammy |
| 21:43.36 | Dagmar | Unless you're planning on doing a bunch of volley work as a hunter, it's nearly useless. |
| 21:44.02 | Dagmar | Out of the gate (so to speak) we wind up talented with enough haste that our one bread-and-butter shot which _isnt_ and instant cast, goes to 1.5s or lower |
| 21:44.29 | Dagmar | Since a hunter's GCD is the one not affected by haste, the haste "cap" for hunters (excepting SV by a very small amount) is like 30 |
| 21:45.00 | cbreak | *grumble* server down :( |
| 21:45.12 | cbreak | it's not? |
| 21:45.21 | cbreak | I thought all GCD is reduced to as low as 1 second |
| 21:45.25 | DWSR | Kraps: Usually when people refer to the haste cap, they're refering to getting 100% haste on spells. |
| 21:45.30 | DWSR | cbreak: No. |
| 21:45.35 | DWSR | cbreak: Hunter GCDs are fixed. |
| 21:45.36 | Dagmar | Kraps: I'd say the closest thing to a cap for you guys would maybe be when yer GCD hits 1s |
| 21:45.46 | Kraps | hmmm |
| 21:45.54 | Dagmar | Yeah, Hunter GCD is the one exception ot the rule, and for good reason |
| 21:46.00 | DWSR | Kraps: 100% haste on spells is also the point when your GCD goes from 1.5s to 1.0s (excluding talents). |
| 21:46.02 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yep |
| 21:46.04 | cbreak | I'd say the haste cap is when your spells reach GCD |
| 21:46.10 | DWSR | cbreak: No. |
| 21:46.17 | cbreak | because then you gain nothing anymore |
| 21:46.22 | DWSR | cbreak: That requires an infinite amount of haste. |
| 21:46.34 | cbreak | yay :) |
| 21:46.42 | DWSR | Yes. A smart decision on Blizzard's part. |
| 21:46.56 | DWSR | The haste cap is what you need to get your GCD from 1.5s->1.0s after talents. |
| 21:46.57 | cbreak | too bad. they'll probably remove haste |
| 21:47.04 | Dagmar | Everyhing in hunter DPS is basically one GCD, so if our GCD could shrink, it would be a direct and very brutal DPS increase |
| 21:47.05 | cbreak | + every other thing besides str, int and stam |
| 21:47.20 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yep |
| 21:47.31 | cbreak | Dagmar: so, like for casters? |
| 21:47.38 | Dagmar | There've been a few times where steady shot, which unhasted casts in two seconds, was saying it could cast in 1.1 seconds |
| 21:47.38 | DWSR | Think beta dks |
| 21:47.41 | DWSR | cbreak: No. |
| 21:47.51 | cbreak | every spell we have profits from haste |
| 21:47.54 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 21:48.04 | DWSR | And you have very few spells which are instant cast. |
| 21:48.09 | Dagmar | cbreak: Yeah but you're not casting a bunch of 1.5s cast spells to begin with |
| 21:48.12 | DWSR | You have lots of spells which have some cast time. |
| 21:48.16 | DWSR | Which is >1.5s |
| 21:48.20 | cbreak | they'll be 1.5 soon |
| 21:48.20 | Dagmar | *all* my hunter spells go in less than one GCD. |
| 21:48.32 | cbreak | luckily my gcd is lower now |
| 21:48.33 | Dagmar | The GCD is the only thing keeping me from being able to turn up a 50% increase in damage |
| 21:48.35 | DanielAstbury | even tame pet? :) |
| 21:48.42 | DanielAstbury | beast, we |
| 21:48.51 | cbreak | "tame critter" |
| 21:48.51 | Dagmar | DanielAstbury: Tame beast takes 30s no matter what |
| 21:48.55 | cbreak | that'd be fun |
| 21:48.57 | Dagmar | It's a channeled spell |
| 21:48.57 | DWSR | cbreak: Right, but when you haste your spells down to 1.5s, your GCD will have moved down even further. |
| 21:49.04 | cbreak | indeed |
| 21:49.12 | DanielAstbury | meh |
| 21:49.14 | cbreak | so haste is a direct dps increase |
| 21:49.17 | DWSR | cbreak: Yes. |
| 21:49.21 | ScytheBlade1 | http://208.106.181.133/_media/imgs/articles2/a97000_g001_14-meeting.jpg |
| 21:49.24 | DWSR | But it's not the same for a DPS caster as it is for hunters. |
| 21:49.26 | cbreak | with the right scale factor, you could do that with hunters too |
| 21:49.28 | Dagmar | I mean, not to be crass, but if hunters GCD moved, we would just rape people in PvP |
| 21:49.32 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 21:49.33 | Dagmar | There'd be no way to escape |
| 21:49.50 | DWSR | Hunter shots are all instant. |
| 21:49.51 | cbreak | they do that to me already |
| 21:49.53 | cbreak | PvP sucks |
| 21:49.57 | DWSR | You're just bad at it. |
| 21:50.00 | cbreak | no |
| 21:50.03 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 21:50.06 | DWSR | Hunters are easy to kill. |
| 21:50.06 | cbreak | there's nothing I could do after being dead |
| 21:50.10 | Dagmar | dwsr: Not necessarily. There's something to be said for raw DPS |
| 21:50.20 | cbreak | they kill me before I even have time to find out where they are |
| 21:50.28 | DWSR | cbreak: You're doing it wrong then |
| 21:50.30 | Dagmar | My guild leader's kid is actually pretty good at PvP on his hunter |
| 21:50.35 | Dagmar | Except, I'm epic geared and he's not |
| 21:50.54 | Dagmar | So I win, because his ONLY route to survival is basically to stop me in six seconds or less. |
| 21:51.05 | DWSR | cbreak: Hunters aren't significantly overpowered in PvP. They just have a lot of burst. |
| 21:51.07 | Dagmar | Otherwise, he's well and thoroughly ventilated |
| 21:51.13 | DWSR | They don't really have too many escape tricks past that. |
| 21:51.17 | cbreak | DWSR: I have the same problem with all other classes |
| 21:51.22 | DWSR | lolengage? |
| 21:51.28 | DWSR | Yeah, ok. |
| 21:51.34 | DWSR | What class do you play? |
| 21:51.36 | kneeki | http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-march-18-2010-gary-locke <- great episode lol |
| 21:51.40 | cbreak | mage... |
| 21:51.50 | DWSR | You are *definitely* doing it wrong. |
| 21:52.03 | DWSR | Go pick up a set of Furious for Triumph and gem it for all stam/resil. |
| 21:52.09 | DWSR | Spec for Frost. |
| 21:52.10 | DWSR | win |
| 21:52.12 | DWSR | Seriously. |
| 21:52.13 | cbreak | ... I have to get pvp gear? :/ |
| 21:52.18 | cbreak | I have tier 10 |
| 21:52.28 | cbreak | and I am frost when I pvp |
| 21:52.39 | DWSR | cbreak: Every fool who comes at me in PvE gear when I'm rocking my PvP set dies very quickly. |
| 21:52.48 | alestane | If you're tanking a dungeon, the healer is offline, and while you're waiting, the mage runs up and frostbolts the next pull without saying anything, and you sit back and watch him die, who's the jerk? |
| 21:52.50 | cbreak | but still, I've seen hunters with over 50k hp |
| 21:52.55 | Dagmar | dwsr: Well, I don't have shit for burst |
| 21:52.55 | cbreak | I've fought a DK with 80k hp |
| 21:52.59 | cbreak | it's hard! |
| 21:53.01 | DWSR | alestane: The mage. |
| 21:53.11 | DWSR | cbreak: I beat a bear druid with 100k. |
| 21:53.12 | eidolarr | Dagmar: hunter? |
| 21:53.13 | alestane | And he was going off on me for not taunting off him. |
| 21:53.15 | Dagmar | dwsr: They've been basically taking away hunter burst more and more |
| 21:53.24 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah, and rightly so. |
| 21:53.37 | Dagmar | ...in favor of the standard "massive quantities of sustained deeps" |
| 21:53.48 | Dagmar | We can pour it out from two direcions at once |
| 21:53.51 | eidolarr | hunters put out a ton of pressure |
| 21:53.58 | Fisker | you DWSR |
| 21:53.59 | ZorbaTHut | alestane, I'd find that perfectly reasonable for the tank and healer. although I generally give someone warning the first time they do it |
| 21:54.02 | Fisker | you daaaaaagmar |
| 21:54.23 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I ninja pull stuff and then shadowmeld once the DPS hit it. |
| 21:54.25 | ZorbaTHut | they're really trying to reduce burst for all classes, it's just that many classes already have a huge pile of anti-burst |
| 21:54.28 | DWSR | Just because the DPS are in bad gear. |
| 21:54.32 | Dagmar | practically no burst, but it's very hard to stop hunter deeps |
| 21:54.36 | alestane | I told him that if he wanted to pull it, he could tank it, and he basically told me I was an asshole. |
| 21:54.57 | DWSR | alestane: Was he wearing 5 pieces of 232 T9 too? |
| 21:55.06 | alestane | I've spent the last four or five dungeons pulling DPS out of the fire for rushing pulls, and I'm frankly sick of it. |
| 21:55.15 | alestane | No, DWSR, this was Dire Maul east. |
| 21:55.29 | DWSR | alestane: What class tank? |
| 21:55.31 | alestane | Amazingly, he was not wearing heirloom gear. |
| 21:55.36 | alestane | I'm a bear. |
| 21:55.44 | DWSR | I'm sorry. :( |
| 21:55.53 | alestane | That I'm a bear? |
| 21:56.00 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 21:56.13 | Dagmar | alestane: Then it's time to start letting some f**kheads die |
| 21:56.15 | alestane | I already have level 80 paly, DK and warrior. It was time for something else. |
| 21:56.23 | DWSR | alestane: Warlock, imo. |
| 21:56.28 | alestane | That's my main. |
| 21:56.32 | DWSR | Heh. |
| 21:56.37 | DWSR | I'm leveling a healer. |
| 21:56.43 | Dagmar | if they've got all the self-control of a drunk chihuahua, kill 'em yourself if you have to |
| 21:56.43 | DWSR | I have a tank toon, a deeps toon, a healer toon. |
| 21:56.46 | DWSR | That's enough for me. |
| 21:56.52 | DWSR | Anyway, I'm out for nap. |
| 21:56.53 | DWSR | laters. |
| 21:56.54 | ZorbaTHut | I have a druid. |
| 21:56.56 | eidolarr | hunters have good burst, just not controlled |
| 21:57.30 | Dagmar | What burst? |
| 21:57.39 | cbreak | arcane burst rocks! |
| 21:57.42 | Dagmar | Beast Within and Rapid Shots (which only affects auto now) is it |
| 21:57.50 | mikma | omfg, people havd completely spoiled tf2 |
| 21:57.51 | cbreak | I doubt hunters are as good |
| 21:57.52 | Dagmar | once those are done, that's all she wrote |
| 21:57.56 | eidolarr | idk anything about the mechanics of hunters, but even mm puts out some crazy bursts |
| 21:58.05 | Dagmar | big hits != burst |
| 21:58.07 | cbreak | but they do very well in the raids I am in on bossfight-average |
| 21:58.10 | mikma | modified servers that give you all achievements with !givemeall |
| 21:58.32 | cbreak | how's that bad? |
| 21:58.36 | durcyn | mikma: i can't wait for another reward for not participating in that. |
| 21:58.42 | Dagmar | eidolarr: I suspect you might be seeing chop just because of crit levels being high |
| 21:58.42 | cbreak | it doesn't affect you as long as you don't play on them |
| 21:58.51 | Dagmar | The RNG can be very fickle |
| 21:58.57 | eidolarr | I don't know how you can look at a series of big hits and not call it burst |
| 21:58.59 | durcyn | actually, i don't think i've even equippped the halo in months |
| 21:59.09 | Dagmar | eidolarr: because it's not under our control. |
| 21:59.38 | eidolarr | hence "not controlled burst" |
| 21:59.40 | mikma | durcyn: i was thinking of asking valve to reset all my items and stats in tf2 |
| 21:59.43 | eidolarr | that doesn't mean it's not burst |
| 22:00.10 | cbreak | burst is dps you can use when it matters |
| 22:00.11 | Dagmar | "burst" dps is what people get from abilities that are on a sizable cooldown so they can't use them all the time |
| 22:00.26 | Dagmar | A hunter getting a bunch of lucky crits is not the same thing as "burst" |
| 22:00.27 | cbreak | like arcanepower+icyveins+mirrorimages+trinket |
| 22:00.40 | cbreak | that's a lot of additional dps |
| 22:01.01 | eidolarr | that is not what pvpers mean when they say burst or bursty, idk where you're getting your terminology from |
| 22:01.05 | Dagmar | I _used_ to have drums, two trinkets, bestial wrath and rapid shots that I could all fire at once. That was not only burst, but sizeable burst |
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| 22:01.22 | Dagmar | Now it's just the latter two. |
| 22:01.28 | cbreak | a few lucky crits are random, unreliable peaks in average dps |
| 22:01.41 | eidolarr | pvp is not just about average dps |
| 22:02.01 | eidolarr | in fact, the average is less important than the peak for obvious reasons |
| 22:02.15 | kd3 | yay nearly toasting a mobo |
| 22:02.16 | kd3 | sighs |
| 22:02.19 | cbreak | you must have healers in your battles |
| 22:02.33 | eidolarr | often but not necessarily |
| 22:03.06 | eidolarr | 2 dps v 2 dps, if you can burst someone down before they can lay out their strong average dps (like afflictionw arlock) you win |
| 22:03.20 | Dagmar | ...and then the dots tick and you die anyway. |
| 22:03.23 | Dagmar | I don't much like that, actually |
| 22:03.26 | Ackis | http://trollcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/abortion_is_murder_trollcat.jpg |
| 22:03.35 | Ackis | i'm going to hell for laughing at that |
| 22:03.38 | eidolarr | no, they don't... not if you burst them down |
| 22:03.57 | cbreak | cute |
| 22:04.01 | Dagmar | Do their dots go away when they die in arena? |
| 22:04.08 | eidolarr | is that a serious question? |
| 22:04.15 | eidolarr | i mean, not being a dick |
| 22:04.22 | eidolarr | trying to see if you're messing with me lol |
| 22:04.34 | cbreak | why should dot vanish if they die? |
| 22:04.34 | Dagmar | No, I don't do arena |
| 22:04.44 | Dagmar | I just know I've killed locks before and still had their dots get me |
| 22:04.46 | cbreak | I haven't seen a spell say "removed if the caster dies" |
| 22:05.04 | Dagmar | I don't care what the game thinks about it, if both people die, it's not much of a win |
| 22:05.04 | eidolarr | no, they don't, but if a mage and a rogue open on a warlock and the lock's team plays poorly, the lock can easily die without getting off more than a corruption or two |
| 22:05.41 | eidolarr | an example of a burst team that isn't controlled is the old sham/warrior, where you just bash em until rng gives you a crazy windfury streak |
| 22:06.57 | eidolarr | the cool thing about hunter is you keep shooting until you get a little lucky, then with freezing trap and scatter and aimed shot you can keep the pressure up long enough to get a little lucky again |
| 22:07.21 | durcyn | mikma: you can reset your own stats |
| 22:07.23 | Dagmar | Mainly I just click the big red mode button and pound my shots |
| 22:07.59 | Ackis | Quote of the day: "That's right, folks, this thing has been documented as killing male lions by running underneath them and tearing off their scrotums." |
| 22:08.02 | Ackis | lol |
| 22:08.08 | Ackis | http://www.badassoftheweek.com/honeybadger.html |
| 22:08.25 | eidolarr | Dagmar: yeah that works pretty well too gwgw |
| 22:08.31 | eidolarr | *haha |
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| 22:09.47 | Dagmar | Well, with pretty much no burst, and very little in the way of short-term mitigation, I can either shoot, or I can run around. |
| 22:10.22 | Dagmar | granted with all those instant shots I can mostly do both, but htat lasts only about four and a half seconds before I'm either out of shots or I have to actually stop a sec to fire steady shot |
| 22:10.35 | eidolarr | with BM usually you try to overwhelm them with your massive temporary big red whiel your partner drops similar crazy dmg |
| 22:10.44 | Dagmar | Pretty uch |
| 22:11.21 | Dagmar | It was pretty funny tho when the guild leader's kid finally started getting the hang of getting in under my DPS on his hunter, he promptly turned around and pwned his dad's paladin |
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| 22:15.04 | Aelobin | hmm, how does SetScale effect a frame's SetPoint? |
| 22:15.14 | zenzelezz | it doesn't |
| 22:15.19 | zenzelezz | it might *affect* it |
| 22:15.37 | Aelobin | hehe i always get those 2 mixed up :p |
| 22:15.43 | zenzelezz | a lot of people do |
| 22:16.14 | zenzelezz | sadly I don't know the real answer to your question |
| 22:16.18 | Aelobin | i have a frame which is anchored to another via "BOTTOM", but when i change the frame's scale it moves |
| 22:16.21 | Aelobin | oh :( |
| 22:16.59 | zenzelezz | how does it move? |
| 22:17.39 | Aelobin | its anchored "BOTTOM" -> "BOTTOMLEFT", so as i increase scale it's moving to the right for some reason |
| 22:19.51 | PProvost | Bottom is the bottom-center of a frame |
| 22:19.57 | PProvost | So when it scales, the center moves |
| 22:21.47 | eamane | i think SetScale applies also to coords set by SetPoint |
| 22:22.03 | eidolarr | Yes |
| 22:24.08 | Aelobin | any time i SetPoint? |
| 22:24.52 | eidolarr | what do you mean? |
| 22:25.03 | eidolarr | to my understanding if you have it scaled at 0.3 and you do setpoint(x,y) the x,y are scaled |
| 22:25.10 | Aelobin | ok ty |
| 22:25.49 | eamane | by the way.. anyone noticed that "Translation" animations SetOffset is ignoring ui scale? or it's just me doing something wrong? |
| 22:26.16 | Aelobin | ty both |
| 22:26.20 | Aelobin | got it working as intended now :) |
| 22:26.25 | mikma | durcyn: i am talking about reseting achievements and items and stats. getting the game to 0% |
| 22:26.53 | durcyn | mikma: yeah, but you can do part of it yourself at least |
| 22:27.04 | mikma | durcyn: there was "achievemens_reset_all" before, now it is disabled |
| 22:27.31 | mikma | i am thinking about asking valve to reset them =/ |
| 22:27.40 | cbreak | can't you create a new character? |
| 22:27.54 | cbreak | on an other server? |
| 22:27.56 | cbreak | maybe |
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| 22:39.21 | durcyn | fascinating: http://idzr.org/404 (view in webkit, or other non-braindead engine) |
| 22:40.48 | cbreak | No Such Code |
| 22:40.58 | cbreak | just a grey bg with white text |
| 22:41.05 | Lunessa | Oh look, something to do this weekend: http://www.comicpalooza.com/index.html |
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| 22:47.14 | Shadowed | oh Lunessa I bet I know what happened, Rawr probably requested a large batch of items that EA hadn't cached yet |
| 22:47.20 | Shadowed | which would explain why the queue dropped so quickly |
| 22:47.44 | Lunessa | Ah, this makes a kind of sense. Lots of stuff to process. |
| 22:47.57 | Shadowed | yea items aren't throttled either, I take it it went from 345 -> 1 quickly? |
| 22:48.04 | Shadowed | like 10-20 seconds or less |
| 22:48.14 | Lunessa | Took about 10 minutes actually. |
| 22:48.37 | Lunessa | but after that, I never moved more than 5 places in the queue. |
| 22:48.40 | Shadowed | interesting, that's throttled requests |
| 22:48.44 | Shadowed | I wonder wtf happened |
| 22:49.28 | Lunessa | I don't know. Seems like a bulk of requests happened, got processed, then cache was adequate to the task. |
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| 23:03.06 | Dewin | Wow. Building PHP from debian sources takes forever. |
| 23:03.14 | Shadowed | Lunessa: How long ago did you see the spike? |
| 23:03.26 | Shadowed | I just realized I can grab my logs to see if Rawr3 caused the spike |
| 23:04.33 | Lunessa | Shadowed: about 2 hours ago |
| 23:04.39 | Shadowed | kk |
| 23:15.35 | Dagmar | Dewin: Stuff like that is why I generally run my build harnesses under screen. |
| 23:15.40 | Cide | why would electronic arts cache items? |
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| 23:16.15 | Dagmar | Qt in particular is one I'm prone to start building, and then hours later when it's STILL not done get sidetracked onto something else and flush my X session... which screen prevents from making the last two hours a waste |
| 23:22.13 | cbreak | so you randomly flush X? |
| 23:22.58 | cbreak | what ever that means |
| 23:23.58 | Dewin | Dagmar: And I get to do it again, because whatever it ended up building failed ALL of the regression tests. |
| 23:24.25 | Dewin | I've built PHP from source in the past, but the Debian Way is a little more complicated |
| 23:24.48 | Dewin | all because I want to change two configure options >.> |
| 23:25.31 | airtonix | Dewin, individuality has its costs. but the rewards are great. |
| 23:26.38 | Shirik | nevcairiel: ping |
| 23:28.55 | Dewin | airtonix: Apparently the reason the build is taking too long is because I'm building just about every webserver module for PHP that exists. |
| 23:29.02 | Dewin | all as completely independant builds that don't reuse anything |
| 23:29.27 | Dewin | Considering I only want 2-3 of these and some modules, that's highly annoying. |
| 23:29.29 | airtonix | Dewin, QUIET PEASANT!... i mean you asked for it. |
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| 23:32.56 | WobWork | anyone using IE6 here? |
| 23:34.18 | Dagmar | I thought there was a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy on that |
| 23:34.42 | WobWork | I really wish we could ditch support on it =P |
| 23:34.50 | Dagmar | We did. |
| 23:34.51 | Arrowmaster | Dewin: which debian package are you rebuilding? |
| 23:35.44 | Dagmar | We're such bastards we even require people to have a keyboard and a color screen to access our neetwrk |
| 23:35.56 | WobWork | Dagmar: Harsh! |
| 23:36.01 | Dewin | Arrowmaster: php5 |
| 23:36.23 | Dewin | Mainly, I'm trying to get php5-mysqli and php5-pdo-mysqli to use PHP's native mysql driver |
| 23:36.47 | Dewin | as an experiment |
| 23:37.39 | Kraps | WobWork: i use it at work |
| 23:37.57 | WobWork | Kraps: are you at work atm? =) |
| 23:38.21 | Kraps | no |
| 23:38.25 | WobWork | alas |
| 23:43.51 | Kraps | i love the way tier sets match |
| 23:44.10 | Arrowmaster | http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/22/2141205/Verizon-Set-To-Launch-Mobile-Payment-Service |
| 23:44.18 | WobWork | Kraps: like a 5 clown car pileup on the highway? |
| 23:44.28 | Arrowmaster | wait isnt mobile phone cloning still super easy? |
| 23:44.43 | Kraps | lol no they do |
| 23:45.13 | Mr_Rabies | i thought digital phones were a lot harder to clone proper |
| 23:46.20 | Mr_Rabies | guess not, they apparently can just clone the sim if they have access to it |
| 23:47.43 | Dagmar | no, they're actually still pretty easy to clone |
| 23:48.42 | Dagmar | They're also fairly easy to spot on the network unless someone went to the trouble of in some way *snuffing out* the original phone |
| 23:49.08 | WobWork | Dagmar: Having it go "Swim with the fishies"? |
| 23:49.26 | Dagmar | WobWork: Or maybe running up and throwing a bucket of water on them will do |
| 23:49.35 | Dagmar | Mind you, it does take custom firmware on most phones |
| 23:49.47 | zenzelezz | or take off and nuke them from orbit. Only way to be sure |
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| 23:50.27 | Dagmar | I suspect that the lack of cooperation between cell phone companies with respect to phones reported stolen also hinders things somewhat |
| 23:51.24 | Dagmar | Like, if you take the $200 "free" phone and then immediately renege on the contract, the company you got it from will mark that phone as not-to-be-serviced on their network, just like if you reported it to them stolen, but other cell providers do not give a rat's ass |
| 23:52.14 | Dagmar | This is why you'll see craploads of reflashed phones on Craigslist. They were either stolen or questionably obtained, and some cell provider somewhere is probably gunning for them... but their competitors are more than happy to take money from a paying customer and not ask too many questions. |
| 23:53.20 | Dagmar | The big thing about why there's not tons of cloning going on is because cell phones are f**king CHEAP now |
| 23:53.52 | Dagmar | When they cost a femur and two lesser fingers to use them for ten minutes, cloning was a pretty big cost savings |
| 23:54.26 | Dagmar | Now, if you can't afford $15 for a prepaid phone, you are such an unsuccessful criminal you should just go jump off a bridge. |
| 23:55.28 | Dagmar | Anyone who gives a damn can dig around and buy prepaid cards for calling Mexico for 5 cents a minute, or Tehran for ten, and that's if you have a pathological aversion to VOIP |
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| 23:56.05 | Lunessa | And can't find a free wifi spot. :) |
| 23:56.13 | Dagmar | Starbucks. |
| 23:56.22 | Dagmar | McDonalds in a lot of states |
| 23:56.44 | WobWork | ugh |
| 23:56.44 | Dagmar | ...and unless you live in backwater nowhere, "a fifteen minute drive-around" will find you an open access point |
| 23:56.57 | WobWork | a 'free wifi spot' I was in a few days ago had me register |
| 23:57.07 | WobWork | with full name, address and details |
| 23:57.12 | WobWork | I was like wtf? |
| 23:57.41 | WobWork | free wifi isn't even worth the effort of putting in random values |
| 23:57.43 | Dagmar | I've actually accidentally busted into a dept. store's wifi, just because it wasn't broadcasting it's SSID, but my equipment was kinda looking in a non-standard manner and I didn't noice in time |
| 23:58.15 | Kraps | hax Dagmar |
| 23:58.19 | Lunessa | I can go to pretty much any of 10 places in 5 miles of where I'm sitting right now and get free wifi - and that doesn't include me surfing the resiential areas for unsecured wifi spots. |
| 23:58.36 | Dagmar | Kraps: Pretty much. This is why I'm careful about laws. They're fragile and break easily, often when you're not even looking |
| 23:58.58 | Dagmar | They barely make any sort of crunching sound anymore. |
| 23:59.08 | Lunessa | Lots of eateries, coffee shops and stores here offer wifi to their shoppers. |
