| 00:00.00 | eXemplar | good thing i got here in time then |
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| 00:15.28 | ccox | Allergy Season: when *every* car in the lot looks like it's painted yellow-green |
| 00:16.26 | ccox | And you know it's going to be a bad season when you don't even have to open the door before you can smell the pollen |
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| 00:33.36 | Lopeppeppy | I declare the pumpkin brownies a success. |
| 00:33.43 | zenzelezz | rejoices |
| 00:34.33 | Ackis | weed brownies? |
| 00:35.18 | Ackis | ok I need a cheap/free back up solution that'll let me back up data from a win 7 machine to a network share |
| 00:35.42 | Corrodias | depends on hwat you mean by "backup", but robocopy might suffice |
| 00:36.13 | Corrodias | which is just a fancy "copy" command that can compare files based on size and date and stuff and not copy / delete them in the target |
| 00:36.25 | Lopeppeppy | PUMPKIN brownies, sillie. |
| 00:36.30 | Ackis | copy data from PC hard drive to network share drive, keep incremental backups, etc |
| 00:36.39 | Ackis | and id10t proof |
| 00:36.47 | Corrodias | okay, incremental stuff, idiot proof, that's beyond me, sorry |
| 00:36.57 | Ackis | yeah I'm an idiot |
| 00:37.53 | cbreak | Ackis: doesn't windows do shadow copy? |
| 00:38.04 | cbreak | some windows lover told me it's at least as good as apple's time machine |
| 00:38.32 | Ackis | I'm not liking the windows backup software, it's too difficult to make a change to the backup set |
| 00:38.49 | cbreak | backups aren't meant to be changed :) or what do you mean? |
| 00:39.13 | Ackis | no, the set of files that are to be backed up |
| 00:39.21 | Ackis | I just backup data, I don't backup applications |
| 00:39.45 | cbreak | oh. I guess if you're disk constrained that makes sense. |
| 00:39.52 | cbreak | I just backup everything besides volatile data |
| 00:41.28 | Ackis | right now I have about 2 TB of disk on computers that would need to be backed up on a 1TB disk... next week I'll have about 5 TB if I did a full backup |
| 00:41.43 | zenzelezz | that's a lot of porn |
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| 00:42.13 | Ackis | fiancee moved in => pr0n deleted :'( |
| 00:42.32 | zenzelezz | we know this is why you're backing up your "data" |
| 00:42.32 | Corrodias | :/ oh yeah "i love you now if only you'd change..." |
| 00:43.07 | cbreak | what you need is an external SATA housing |
| 00:43.14 | cbreak | and TrueCrypt with hidden volume |
| 00:43.21 | cbreak | and lots of cute kitten pictures for volume 1 |
| 00:43.54 | Dagmar | ...and a good fucking lawyer |
| 00:43.59 | Ackis | lol |
| 00:44.10 | cbreak | you need lawyers for fucking in your country? |
| 00:44.16 | cbreak | what has the world come to... |
| 00:45.01 | Dagmar | No, you'll need a lawyer to help minimize the damage from trying to claim that your "deniable" crypto file isn't actually a crypto file when you named it mahsecrets.dat or kittens.jpg (and it's 10Gb in size) |
| 00:45.23 | Dagmar | People have no damn sense about how to implement truecrypt discreetly |
| 00:45.30 | Corrodias | is having encrypted files illegal in your country? |
| 00:45.42 | Dagmar | I'm in the US. |
| 00:45.50 | Corrodias | i really don't know where you're going with this, then |
| 00:46.28 | Dagmar | That there's little to be gained from using the hidden volume features unless you actually do forensics yourself |
| 00:46.43 | amro | technically in the US, you can be held indefinitely on suspicion of terrorism if you don't hand over your keys |
| 00:46.53 | cbreak | and if you do? :) |
| 00:47.02 | cbreak | (the one to the kitten volume) |
| 00:47.05 | Dagmar | Generally, once the spooks see the thing, you're going to be hanging around in jail until you either a) fess up the key or b) have a good damn lawyer |
| 00:47.08 | Corrodias | besides, you want to hide data, you don't just put it on a drive with encryption, you hide it in a tree, behind a secret nice in the concrete wall of your basement, etc. |
| 00:47.24 | Corrodias | *secret niche |
| 00:47.28 | Ackis | amro: that's why when you travel you send the keys ahead of yourself so when the lame TSA asks you, you just say you don't have them |
| 00:47.38 | Corrodias | in your neighbor's doghouse |
| 00:47.57 | amro | Ackis: I wouldn't try that |
| 00:47.57 | Dagmar | If they actually _did_ come to your door as a result of some DHS/KGB investigation, you are well and truly f**ked if they find a volume of encrypted data |
| 00:48.16 | amro | specifically *I* wouldn't try that, being an arab |
| 00:48.23 | Dagmar | They'll just say "state secrets LOL" and brick you into the cell |
| 00:48.24 | cbreak | you'd also be fucked if they find nothing |
| 00:48.30 | amro | "Decrypt it." "Don't ahve my keys." --> gitmo |
| 00:49.06 | cbreak | people have been imprisoned and tortured in the US for less than having encrypted files |
| 00:49.08 | Dagmar | Actually, if they find nothing you're in pretty good shape, assuming you're actually innocent |
| 00:49.08 | Ackis | lol |
| 00:49.16 | Gnarfoz | <amro> technically in the US, you can be held indefinitely on suspicion of terrorism if you don't hand over your keys < you can probably be held for anything, at any time, for any lenght of time, without any real reason :P |
| 00:49.24 | Ackis | cbreak: gotta love the USA, land of freedom eh? :P |
| 00:49.29 | cbreak | I don't |
| 00:49.32 | cbreak | ... whops |
| 00:49.36 | amro | Gnarfoz: indeed you can, but you don't stand out normally |
| 00:49.38 | Shirik | TREASON |
| 00:49.52 | amro | encrypted data that you don't want the government to see? big red flag |
| 00:49.57 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: We only do that for canadians |
| 00:50.08 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: and everyone else |
| 00:50.11 | amro | Dagmar: canadians that have beards, maybe ;) |
| 00:50.28 | Dagmar | "supiciously hirsuite persons" |
| 00:50.39 | amro | (specifically, I know a canadian with a rather large beard who gets stopped for "random" checks every single time) |
| 00:50.43 | Ackis | amro: the US is different from Canada, in Canada we have a right to privacy, so that e-mail to my mom saying hi is something I don't want the gov't seeing at all |
| 00:51.14 | amro | Ackis: dunno about canada, but I'm pretty sure you don't have the equivalent of the PATRIOT act up there |
| 00:51.17 | Dagmar | There's a right to privacy in the US. The law simply has yet to properly define "privacy" |
| 00:51.18 | Gnarfoz | if it's not encrypted, someone is reading it |
| 00:51.58 | Ackis | amro: we don't have that shit up there, we still treat our citizens as non-terrotists |
| 00:52.04 | amro | Dagmar: actually, the law says you lose your privacy in certain situations. problem is that PATRIOT means that can be any time any where and for any reason almost, since they don't need a warrant |
| 00:52.15 | Dagmar | bizarre shit like, you have no right to privacy of copies of your emails that have passed through SMTP servers on their way to you, once you've recieved a copy. *shakes head* |
| 00:52.51 | Dagmar | amro: Not just any reason, or they'd have rounded up me and some other people here on general principle |
| 00:52.53 | amro | Ackis: the fun part is that canada has less terrorism/crime. come to think of it, have there been any actual terrorist attacks in canadian soil that succeded? I know some were foiled |
| 00:53.09 | Ackis | amro: none, we just send them to the US ;) |
| 00:53.30 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me. :P |
| 00:53.35 | cbreak | the US feeds the trolls. |
| 00:53.45 | cbreak | no wonder they come back for more |
| 00:54.02 | amro | Dagmar: federal agents aren't all evil citizen-hating bastards, they can't arrest anyone they feel like |
| 00:54.10 | amro | well, they CAN, but they don't |
| 00:54.17 | Dagmar | This I'm aware of |
| 00:54.20 | cbreak | they taser them to death sometimes on youtube. |
| 00:54.24 | amro | someone would blow the whistle and they'd be in trouble |
| 00:54.28 | Dagmar | I've been through the "if they don't find anything" bit first hand more than once |
| 00:54.49 | Ackis | anyways, I'm afk now, to cuddle w/ the fiancee :P (see, no need for pr0n I has rl boobies) |
| 00:55.01 | amro | Ackis: that's what I was thinking |
| 00:55.09 | cbreak | I don't believe you |
| 00:55.20 | cbreak | it's best to keep backups. |
| 00:55.20 | Gagorian | Ackis: Pics or didn't happen? |
| 00:55.45 | amro | if he was in the US we could send him an NSL for the pics |
| 00:55.47 | amro | too bad. |
| 00:56.09 | Ackis | http://www.cad-comic.com/comics/cad/20100310.jpg |
| 00:56.14 | Ackis | :P |
| 00:56.44 | Lopeppeppy | Always cuddle the boobies. |
| 00:57.10 | Lopeppeppy | I am mind-blisteringly bored. If this turns into bronchitis I shall be annoyed. |
| 00:57.36 | Dagmar | Drink a shot of Robitussin |
| 00:58.41 | Lopeppeppy | I have that, Mucinex and Nyquil. Hoping to medicate it into submission before it gets nasty. |
| 00:59.09 | Dagmar | Right then, so two tablespoons of robo every 15 minutes until the cough subsides or you run out of robo |
| 00:59.39 | Dagmar | Oh, and put your car keys where you can't get at 'em |
| 00:59.42 | Dagmar | :) |
| 01:01.07 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, the nyquil overlaps, so I can take that out of the mix. And it's either Robitussin or mucinex. Hmm. |
| 01:01.35 | Lopeppeppy | Darn overlapping drug list. |
| 01:01.37 | Gagorian | You know cough medicines have exactly zero effect in preventing or curing the cough? |
| 01:01.47 | Gagorian | They just make it a little less annoying |
| 01:02.26 | Lopeppeppy | Less annoying is excellent, when it hurts to cough. |
| 01:03.06 | Lopeppeppy | It's to supress the cough, not cure what causes it. Hopefully that's just a cold or allergies. If not, I go get nice antibiotics on Monday. |
| 01:04.27 | Dagmar | Gagorian: Clearly, you are not a doctor |
| 01:04.57 | Dagmar | Trust me, if you take two tablespoons of robitussin every fifteen minutes or until the bottle is empty, it WILL make you stop coughing... |
| 01:05.14 | Dagmar | ...and maybe have meaningful conversations with ducks in the park, but that's a whole nother issue. |
| 01:05.21 | Lopeppeppy | Probably drop dead too. :P |
| 01:05.27 | Dagmar | No way. |
| 01:05.36 | Lopeppeppy | It was better when it had alcohol in it, and maybe real sudafed. |
| 01:05.38 | Dagmar | The HD50 is way over what you can get in one bottle |
| 01:07.37 | Gagorian | You mean LD50? |
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| 01:08.30 | Lopeppeppy | Let us not be killing the Peppy. Mooseling and Rosiekins would be most wroth not to receive food tomorrow morning. |
| 01:08.49 | DWSR | Meh, cats. |
| 01:09.02 | DWSR | Drown the flu, imo. |
| 01:09.06 | zenzelezz | heathen |
| 01:09.31 | DWSR | hush |
| 01:10.09 | Lopeppeppy | Probably not the flu, bronchitis has been on the rampage at my college. |
| 01:10.34 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: You know what's a good strong anti-biotic? |
| 01:10.37 | DWSR | Alcohol. |
| 01:10.59 | Gagorian | Most cases of bronchitis are caused by a virus, so anti-biotics are usually useless |
| 01:11.01 | cbreak | plutonium is also very anti. |
| 01:11.07 | Gagorian | Unless you develop pneumonia |
| 01:11.20 | Gnarfoz | or a brain |
| 01:11.31 | DWSR | Gagorian: That obviously missed you completely. |
| 01:11.34 | cbreak | anti-biotics fight against living things |
| 01:11.48 | cbreak | plutonium against everything |
| 01:11.55 | Gagorian | DWSR: Wasn't directed at you, it was about getting antiobiotics if cough medicine doesn't help |
| 01:11.57 | cbreak | nuclear power is the future |
| 01:12.26 | DWSR | cbreak: I hope so. :) |
| 01:12.42 | DWSR | Widely available weapons grade plutonium? yezplz. |
| 01:12.46 | Gnarfoz | I suspect some of you of being raised in a clean-room |
| 01:13.07 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Meh. |
| 01:13.24 | DWSR | I don't make any real effort to be overly clean. |
| 01:13.34 | cbreak | just read the foundation cycle |
| 01:13.44 | DWSR | cbreak: s/cycle/series/? |
| 01:14.16 | cbreak | it's a series, but it felt a bit repetitive |
| 01:15.12 | DWSR | trilogy, then |
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| 01:25.31 | Shirik | I think this guy figured it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meaning_of_life&diff=351083205&oldid=350934707 |
| 01:25.36 | Shirik | The meaning of life is (1) sex (2) fie |
| 01:25.38 | Shirik | die* |
| 01:26.21 | DWSR | lol |
| 01:27.26 | zenzelezz | the order is important though |
| 01:27.38 | Lopeppeppy | I should say so. |
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| 01:28.37 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Especially to a necrophiliac. |
| 01:28.49 | zenzelezz | I think it's important to everyone |
| 01:29.02 | theorbtwo | Yeah, necrophilia is one of those kinks that doesn't work if both partners have it. |
| 01:29.03 | DWSR | sigh |
| 01:29.30 | cbreak | theorbtwo: heard complaints? |
| 01:29.50 | Lopeppeppy | Tend not to be very vocal, those dead people. |
| 01:29.54 | DWSR | cbreak: About his necrophilia? |
| 01:29.56 | theorbtwo | Indeed. |
| 01:29.58 | DWSR | :P |
| 01:30.32 | theorbtwo | Only dead girls / like me, / can't you see. |
| 01:30.37 | tem | Is there something special about the yellow minerals in SC2? |
| 01:30.39 | theorbtwo | voltaire++ |
| 01:30.41 | tem | or are they just yellow? |
| 01:30.45 | Shirik | ... |
| 01:30.46 | Shirik | tem |
| 01:30.48 | Shirik | so bad |
| 01:30.54 | Shirik | sooooo bad |
| 01:31.00 | tem | is there something special? |
| 01:31.02 | cbreak | like yellow snow? |
| 01:31.02 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:31.03 | DWSR | Yes |
| 01:31.10 | Shirik | increased rate |
| 01:31.13 | tem | oh? |
| 01:31.15 | tem | neat |
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| 01:31.23 | Shirik | that's why they're in tactically difficult to defend locations |
| 01:31.26 | Shirik | (often) |
| 01:31.27 | DWSR | I don't even have a beta key and I know that. |
| 01:31.39 | tem | DWSR, your mom goes to college |
| 01:31.47 | Shirik | I'll give you a tip that will help you defeat me |
| 01:31.54 | tem | Shirik, you in platinum yet? |
| 01:31.56 | tem | no? |
| 01:31.57 | DWSR | tem: She's too old for college. |
| 01:31.58 | Shirik | on that one map with the two fields of yellow minerals in the middle |
| 01:32.01 | tem | I'm the bad one. |
| 01:32.05 | Shirik | that's where my first expansion goes |
| 01:32.15 | Shirik | for some reason nobody checks there until late |
| 01:33.02 | tem | I don't get why people don't throw an inexpensive unit on the towers |
| 01:33.53 | tem | my first expo always goes to the close patch because it's always so early in the game that I need it in an easy to defend spot |
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| 01:35.08 | cbreak | can't we just all live in peace and share the resources? |
| 01:35.38 | Shirik | tem: I don't believe in defending my expansions |
| 01:35.40 | Shirik | well |
| 01:35.41 | Shirik | I take that back |
| 01:35.49 | Shirik | I do defend them, but not as heavily as some others |
| 01:35.58 | Shirik | and sometimes I'm totally willing to let them be destroyed |
| 01:36.02 | tem | I can't play that way |
| 01:36.07 | Shirik | bases are cheap |
| 01:36.07 | tem | since my expos are also my production line |
| 01:36.15 | Shirik | ah see not me |
| 01:36.18 | tem | mine are cheaper than yours too |
| 01:36.29 | tem | but if I lose hatcheries, it slows my production |
| 01:36.35 | tem | which is bnb |
| 01:36.48 | Shirik | ah right |
| 01:36.50 | Shirik | lolzerg |
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| 01:38.52 | Kraps | evening |
| 01:38.57 | Shirik | bon soir |
| 01:39.52 | A-KO | checks the daily wow tech forums |
| 01:40.10 | A-KO | "OMG EVER SINCE PATCH 3.3.3 AND THE LINING OF THE SUN AND THE PLANETS I'VE HAD LAG, BLIZZARD FIX IT!" |
| 01:40.13 | A-KO | /s |
| 01:40.36 | DWSR | we haven't had 3.3.3 :P |
| 01:40.49 | A-KO | when that day comes you will see that post :D |
| 01:41.02 | DWSR | yeah, prolly. |
| 01:41.49 | cbreak | I had lag in ICC since they introduced ICC |
| 01:41.54 | cbreak | but lately it has improved |
| 01:42.02 | cbreak | (since I think most people get bored from it) |
| 01:44.04 | Shirik | Ok guys |
| 01:44.07 | Shirik | time to one-up me on C++ |
| 01:44.11 | Shirik | rare opportunity |
| 01:44.15 | Shirik | Figure out wtf is going on with this error: http://codepad.org/Dj7hZ9xk |
| 01:44.26 | Shirik | Qualifier: Has to be done before I figure it out |
| 01:46.13 | Shirik | too late |
| 01:46.14 | Shirik | you all lose |
| 01:46.14 | cbreak | a virtual inline? |
| 01:46.18 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:46.23 | cbreak | how's that supposed to work? |
| 01:46.36 | Shirik | inlining is only a hint |
| 01:46.37 | cbreak | runtime recompilation? :) |
| 01:46.42 | Shirik | if the compiler can figure it out on its own, it will do it |
| 01:46.47 | Shirik | if not, it's also accessible in the vtable |
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| 01:47.05 | PProvost | what a terribly unuseful error message |
| 01:48.01 | Shirik | anyway, I just chopped out the volatile because apparently vector simply doesn't support it |
| 01:48.13 | Shirik | and it SHOULD be ok, I'm just not 100% sure of that |
| 01:48.30 | theorbtwo | That seems somewhat odd, since volitile is also just a hint. |
| 01:48.42 | Shirik | not exactly |
| 01:48.52 | Shirik | volatile is actually part of the type specification |
| 01:49.01 | cbreak | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/12a04hfd%28VS.80%29.aspx |
| 01:49.02 | Shirik | for example, volatile int* -> int* is illegal |
| 01:49.06 | cbreak | that's for what volatile is |
| 01:49.17 | theorbtwo | Well, yes, but it means "please don't optimize this". |
| 01:49.37 | theorbtwo | The type shouldn't need to support it. |
| 01:50.36 | Shirik | it does |
| 01:50.46 | Shirik | imagine you give me a volatile int* |
| 01:50.52 | Shirik | I cast it to an int* |
| 01:51.03 | Shirik | now all the compiler knows is that it has an int* and starts optimizing like crazy |
| 01:51.06 | Shirik | then things blow up |
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| 01:51.14 | Shirik | it must be part of the type specification for safety |
| 01:52.07 | Shirik | Cide |
| 01:52.13 | Shirik | you missed an awesome opportunity to one-up me in C++ |
| 01:52.15 | Cide | hey |
| 01:52.17 | Cide | oh? |
| 01:52.19 | Shirik | but too late, I already figured it out |
| 01:52.23 | Shirik | http://codepad.org/Dj7hZ9xk |
| 01:52.26 | Shirik | have fun if you want, though |
| 01:52.27 | Cide | I consistently one-up you |
| 01:53.25 | Cide | are you looking for a solution or an explanation? |
| 01:53.31 | Shirik | correlating to that type specification, theorbtwo, this error is caused by the fact that std::vector's function size() only has a const and a normal function, not a volatile function |
| 01:53.45 | Shirik | Cide: I was looking for both, but I already got it |
| 01:54.03 | theorbtwo | Shirik: Ah. |
| 01:54.11 | theorbtwo | I suppose that makes sense. |
| 01:54.16 | Cide | well if you have a volatile variable the functions that query that variable logically should be volatile too |
| 01:54.29 | Shirik | and std::vector does not have them :) |
| 01:54.36 | Shirik | therefore a volatile vector will yell at you |
| 01:54.45 | Cide | ah |
| 01:54.48 | theorbtwo | It could have been done with a template parameter for the volitility. |
| 01:55.06 | theorbtwo | ...but that'd be a nonstd std::vector. |
| 01:55.36 | Shirik | I'm impressed, though, Cide |
| 01:55.42 | Shirik | I expected you to go "wtf, const volatile?" |
| 01:55.56 | Cide | I probably would |
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| 01:56.07 | Cide | but alcohol makes me not question that stuff |
| 01:56.10 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:56.20 | zenzelezz | just because you're not allowed to modify it doesn't mean anyone else respects that |
| 01:56.25 | Shirik | ^ |
| 01:56.33 | Cide | that was my assumption after some 20 second consideration |
| 01:56.55 | Cide | but I couldn't figure out if constness was an object property or reference property |
| 01:57.13 | theorbtwo | Oh, I just expected insane shit near any mention of volitile. |
| 01:57.36 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:57.42 | theorbtwo | Since volitile essensially means "I'm doing insane shit, please don't assume anything". |
| 01:57.54 | Shirik | Cide: Always read right to left |
| 01:58.14 | Shirik | Foo const * |
| 01:58.17 | Shirik | pointer to a constant Foo |
| 01:58.17 | Cide | tfel ot thgir daer syawlA what? |
| 01:58.23 | Shirik | Foo * const |
| 01:58.26 | Shirik | constant pointer to a Foo |
| 01:58.37 | Shirik | etc. |
| 01:59.00 | Shirik | so const Foo & is "reference to a Foo (that is const)" which is identical to Foo const & |
| 01:59.11 | Shirik | and Foo & const is just flat-out illegal |
| 01:59.24 | Cide | well references are const by definition |
| 01:59.27 | Shirik | right |
| 01:59.39 | Shirik | I think Foo & const is illegal just to avoid confusion, since it has no purpose |
| 01:59.46 | Cide | yeah, probably |
| 02:00.22 | Kraps | i already have 7.5% hit :o |
| 02:01.03 | Cide | I have 0% miss |
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| 02:04.56 | Cide | I'm stupid |
| 02:05.05 | Cide | I couldn't figure out why some code didn't work |
| 02:05.31 | Cide | but I used std::vector<T>::iterator for a map |
| 02:05.34 | Cide | fail |
| 02:05.53 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 02:06.11 | Shirik | Cide |
| 02:06.19 | Shirik | VS gives you some of the most verbose and useful error messages available |
| 02:06.23 | Shirik | if you couldn't figure that out |
| 02:06.23 | Cide | yeah |
| 02:06.25 | Shirik | sighs |
| 02:06.26 | Cide | I did figure it out |
| 02:06.33 | Cide | but they're so long with complex template parameters |
| 02:06.36 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:06.48 | Cide | they were like... 100+ characters long |
| 02:07.01 | Cide | cut me some slack ok |
| 02:12.16 | Kraps | apparently no one has specialized gem cuts |
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| 02:12.49 | Kraps | Veiled Monarch Topaz is specialized |
| 02:13.22 | Kraps | screw this i'll just get an sp gem |
| 02:22.28 | Shirik | ok |
| 02:22.31 | Shirik | VS has lost its mind |
| 02:23.55 | Cide | why? |
| 02:25.28 | Shirik | it was giving me an error and pointing me a mile away |
| 02:25.31 | Shirik | from where it was |
| 02:25.35 | Shirik | I finally figured it out |
| 02:27.49 | Kraps | lol i was testing my dps and forgot to drop totems... |
| 02:27.56 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.36 | Shirik | http://www.clickorlando.com/news/9554448/detail.html |
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| 02:29.52 | Kraps | Shirik: wow |
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| 02:30.22 | Cide | quick thinking by dad |
| 02:34.27 | Cairenn | wow indeed |
| 02:38.29 | Shadowed | Where's Tuller whne you need him :< |
| 02:38.33 | Shadowed | s/whne/when/ |
| 02:43.01 | Cide | did they reset stats yet Shirik? |
| 02:43.06 | Shirik | don't think so |
| 02:43.15 | Cide | weak |
| 02:44.14 | Shirik | you want them to reset? |
| 02:44.33 | Cide | well if it is happening it might as well happen now |
| 02:48.37 | kd3 | whee; Finally, Canadians will be able to enjoy Mountain Dew the way God intended it: Loaded with cafeine [Cool] |
| 02:54.49 | Thunder_Child | Fail Dew |
| 02:55.28 | Thunder_Child | oh and Shirik, i call dibs on your lens |
| 02:55.37 | Shirik | dibs? |
| 02:55.44 | Thunder_Child | yes, dibs |
| 02:55.46 | Shirik | oh did I tell you about the money I found in my checking account? |
| 02:56.03 | Thunder_Child | found? like you explored and found it? |
| 02:56.13 | Thunder_Child | planted a flag and everything? |
| 02:56.14 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:56.25 | Shirik | like I logged into my checking account and found twice as much money there as I thought I had |
| 02:56.30 | cbreak | did you cast it to unsigned long long? |
| 02:56.32 | Shirik | so now I'm inches from buying that lens |
| 02:56.36 | Shirik | cbreak: lol |
| 02:56.40 | Thunder_Child | thats what she said |
| 02:57.02 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Make fun now, but when I have 280mm of sheer awesomeness you're going to be like "omg hardon" |
| 02:57.18 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: hence i called dibs |
| 02:58.11 | Shirik | how do you call dibs on something of mine >< |
| 02:58.25 | Thunder_Child | by saying "I call dibs" |
| 03:00.41 | Shirik | http://translationparty.com/#5683606 |
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| 03:21.37 | Kraps | bi |
| 03:21.41 | Kraps | gah |
| 03:22.19 | Shirik | you're bi? |
| 03:22.31 | Wobin | puts his hand on Kraps' thigh |
| 03:22.35 | Shirik | o.o; |
| 03:23.06 | Kraps | i didnt say "i'm" before that did i? |
| 03:23.37 | Wobin | Prepositions? Participles? |
| 03:23.41 | Wobin | this is the INTERNET =P |
| 03:23.42 | Shirik | so? |
| 03:23.46 | Shirik | In Japanese it's implied |
| 03:24.14 | Kraps | THIS IS AMERICA |
| 03:24.27 | Shirik | resists the temptation |
| 03:25.23 | Cide | The Sounds |
| 03:26.21 | Kraps | you cant port to an instance from the skybreaker |
| 03:28.00 | Cide | Shirik: play some sc2? |
| 03:28.06 | Shirik | mm |
| 03:28.08 | Shirik | ok |
| 03:28.10 | Cide | cool |
| 03:28.14 | kd3 | kraps; because it's a vehicle. you can't blink on it either |
| 03:28.33 | Dagmar | You have to jump off the side and *then* accept the summon |
| 03:29.27 | Cide | who summons people to instances anyway? |
| 03:29.30 | Cide | that's so 2009 |
| 03:29.42 | Dagmar | I do. :) |
| 03:30.19 | Dagmar | The new hasn't worn off the creepy 'lock summoning portal for me yhet |
| 03:30.47 | Dagmar | Sometimes I plant them just because I've got spare soulstones |
| 03:31.16 | Dagmar | I keep meaning to see if they're compatible with any form of levitate or slow fall |
| 03:31.20 | Thunder_Child | kick his ass Shirik |
| 03:31.30 | Cide | we play as a team you nub |
| 03:31.35 | Cide | and I'd kick shirik's ass |
| 03:32.13 | Dagmar | The top of the Aldor elevator is a great place for 'em |
| 03:32.23 | Ackis | gagagagagaggaga |
| 03:32.27 | Ackis | s/g/h/ |
| 03:32.32 | Ackis | but all of them not just one |
| 03:32.35 | Dagmar | "How the hell did you summon me to the graveyard?" |
| 03:33.09 | Ackis | I got games for windows live to log in as 2 different people at once... |
| 03:33.19 | Ackis | the application uses your IE cookies |
| 03:33.21 | Ackis | I luled |
| 03:34.17 | Ackis | i blame Fisker |
| 03:35.19 | Dagmar | s/e/*/g |
| 03:35.21 | Thunder_Child | kick his ass anyway Shirik |
| 03:36.06 | Ackis | can someone kick my ass? |
| 03:36.40 | Kraps | Cide: porting using lfd doesnt work either |
| 03:38.19 | Ackis | that's KRAPPY eh Kraps? |
| 03:40.25 | Kraps | stfu Ackis |
| 03:41.34 | Ackis | sorry Kraps |
| 03:41.39 | Ackis | I'm in a FUCK SHIT UP MOOOD |
| 03:41.46 | Ackis | MS is annoying me |
| 03:41.52 | Stanzilla | pets Ackis |
| 03:42.14 | Ackis | moooos |
| 03:42.39 | Dagmar | Ackis: So crack a few of your DLCs through Windows Live. You'll feel much better. |
| 03:42.52 | Dagmar | Tools required to defeat Windows Live DRM: notepad.exe |
| 03:43.28 | kd3 | grrs at games getting distributed through steam requiring a gfwl account to play |
| 03:43.31 | Ackis | Dagmar: what's annoying me is that it's using the cookies in IE8 to authenticate through the application |
| 03:43.48 | Dagmar | kd3: Which one? |
| 03:43.59 | kd3 | batman... bioshock 2... |
| 03:44.03 | kd3 | looks for his list |
| 03:44.07 | Ackis | dawn of war 2 |
| 03:44.19 | Dagmar | That's odd. It didn't get real upset about it when I killed off Windows Live |
| 03:44.39 | Dagmar | granted Bioshock 2 might not be really all that interested in WL tho |
| 03:44.51 | Ackis | anyone on xfire know how I can get rid of the "official lotr guild" message list? |
| 03:45.04 | Dagmar | I was just a bit uninterested in having two overlays running |
| 03:45.27 | Ackis | run xfire and raptr and you can have 4 running |
| 03:45.31 | Dagmar | Yech |
| 03:45.46 | Dagmar | The only thing I ever installed xfire for was the free game video recorder |
| 03:46.05 | Ackis | i used xfire to track the hours I played wow |
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| 03:46.13 | Dagmar | Now I just check the PVR schedule (so I don't screw up a recording of some pulp scifi) and drag the HD-PVR into the study and hook it up |
| 03:46.26 | Dagmar | Hardware accellerated h.264 1080 encodes rock |
| 03:46.47 | Dagmar | ...now if I can just find something to edit them with that doesn't suck a 280mm "lens" |
| 03:50.35 | Ackis | http://tweetphoto.com/15205659 |
| 03:52.53 | amro | http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CLPXmfHZw_7RzQEQrAIY7wEyCKKNbEE8PC6L strangest ad I've seen in a while |
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| 04:00.21 | Ackis | http://www.xfire.com/profile/ackis/ yay it's me! No more LOTR nonsense :( |
| 04:02.36 | Thunder_Child | we dont want more than one of you |
| 04:02.51 | Thunder_Child | s/more than one of// |
| 04:03.11 | Ackis | oh Thunder, you love me |
| 04:03.37 | Thunder_Child | i know :( |
| 04:26.21 | airtonix | depressing admissions ? |
| 04:29.36 | Corrodias | emissions :d |
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| 04:56.30 | Shirik | oh ciddypoo |
| 04:56.35 | Cide | you poo |
| 04:58.17 | Jerub | Cide: sc2? |
| 04:58.56 | Shirik | 95 SCVS! |
| 04:59.06 | Shirik | I should have attacked with SCVs |
| 05:00.43 | Cide | psh |
| 05:00.49 | Cide | no wonder you never attacked |
| 05:00.52 | Cide | you didn't have any units |
| 05:00.58 | Shirik | wtf you talking about |
| 05:01.02 | Shirik | my awesome banshee force tore it up |
| 05:01.04 | Shirik | like a mofo |
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| 05:01.14 | Shirik | SEVEN STARPORTS |
| 05:01.19 | Cide | 12 gateways |
| 05:01.40 | Cide | anyway, Jerub, I'm about to head to bed |
| 05:01.45 | Cide | that answers your question too Shirik! |
| 05:01.50 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:01.51 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:02.01 | Cide | clearly you should spend some time completing our project |
| 05:02.11 | Cide | and make sure it's all done when I wake up |
| 05:02.21 | Cide | I give you 6h |
| 05:03.28 | Cide | done deal? |
| 05:07.26 | Cide | I take that as a yes! good night! |
| 05:15.44 | Shirik | Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. |
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| 05:44.47 | Thunder_Child | " the bank didn't screw up, i spent 150$ at mcdonalds last night." that reminded me of you Shirik |
| 05:53.48 | amro | serious McFatty |
| 05:57.55 | batrick | woooooooooooooo |
| 05:57.56 | batrick | saturday! |
| 05:58.06 | batrick | Shirik: Shirik Shirik Shirik Shirik |
| 05:58.09 | batrick | chess!! |
| 05:58.12 | Thunder_Child | >.< there is a FB group called "All jew guys think they are black" |
| 05:58.18 | batrick | rofl |
| 05:59.02 | batrick | wtf is eco friendly gold |
| 05:59.23 | Thunder_Child | recycled? |
| 05:59.27 | batrick | that supposed to mean they raped the earth to get to said gold less harshly than their competitors? |
| 05:59.58 | batrick | why is that an advertisement on the wow forums anyway |
| 06:00.20 | batrick | probably way less than 1% of the wow population would buy a irl ring |
| 06:00.32 | Arrowmaster | are you sure it was for real gold? |
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| 06:02.58 | batrick | i'm not going to click the advertisement |
| 06:22.57 | Sargeras | Oh Cairenn, why must you go afk when I arrive? |
| 06:33.39 | Kraps | win http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shadowmoon&cn=Bubbleohsevn |
| 06:34.27 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tJQIpNWIss |
| 06:35.49 | Corrodias | i wish i knew why my firefox is so unstable |
| 06:36.15 | Corrodias | the ones i have at work aren't. :P it's probably an addon, but there's no real way of knowing which except trying to run for a couple weeks without half, etc. |
| 06:36.35 | batrick | why are you stil using firefox? |
| 06:36.52 | airtonix | herd mentality |
| 06:36.53 | Corrodias | i have not been informed of any browser i'd like more... though stability would be nice |
| 06:37.04 | batrick | chrome? |
| 06:37.26 | airtonix | cultural conditioning prevents migration |
| 06:37.27 | Corrodias | i'm not sure what to think of having a hundred processes for the browser. but maybe it'd be okay. does it have a decent selection of mods? |
| 06:37.59 | batrick | what mods do you need? |
| 06:38.05 | Corrodias | depends on what the browser does. |
| 06:38.07 | airtonix | Corrodias, not as much as firefox, but most firefox mods are garbage |
| 06:38.09 | batrick | afaik it has mods but i don't see a need for them |
| 06:38.32 | airtonix | Corrodias, chrome now has a proper setup for creating mods too |
| 06:42.05 | Corrodias | i'll have to check it out soon |
| 06:45.25 | Thunder_Child | the sad thing is the one reason i remember them giving for having each tab be it's own process was that one bad tab wouldnt crash the browser as a whole. i have yet for only one and not the whole thing to die |
| 06:48.37 | Taroven | Thunder_Child: I've seen a couple horrid script crashes and addon-related glitches crash single tabs on mine. I haven't actually seen Chrome crash as a whole yet. |
| 06:49.15 | batrick | worst i've seen is chrome become unresponsive |
| 06:49.21 | batrick | the outer process that is |
| 06:49.25 | batrick | tabs still work and close |
| 06:49.33 | batrick | but hten I'm using the unstable HEAD version |
| 06:49.38 | batrick | so I can't really complain |
| 06:49.46 | Kraps | just got http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50273 i know shammy with a staff zomg |
| 06:50.16 | Taroven | My big complaint is it's slow... Running through feeds in google reader and seeing it hitch for seconds at a time while just scrolling down... not cool. |
| 06:51.41 | Taroven | Even on my router stats page, Chrome uses an inordinate amount of cpu. It's a bit aggravating. |
| 06:51.47 | Arrowmaster | i thought it was individual threads not processes |
| 06:52.04 | batrick | processes |
| 06:52.12 | batrick | and I haven't had the problems Taroven is referring to |
| 06:52.20 | Corrodias | and that's kind of concerning to me, because i use a LOT of tabs |
| 06:55.31 | batrick | Shirik: chesssssssss |
| 06:57.19 | Taroven | batrick: All reader-relating hitching is happening while waiting on googlesyndication. Rather annoying. |
| 06:58.32 | Taroven | Not even loading anything new when it's doing that. >.< |
| 06:59.18 | Taroven | Doesn't happen at all in opera or firefox. |
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| 07:01.42 | batrick | damn it i'm out of beer :( |
| 07:19.20 | ccox | Allergy Season: when it smells like someone dumped cheap perfume all around your house. |
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| 07:34.16 | Shirik | this is what I get for volunteering in help channels |
| 07:34.28 | Shirik | from #wikipedia-en-help: (02:28:27) (john__) hi...how can one become an ornithologist? |
| 07:37.08 | Taroven | Shirik: Very carefully? |
| 07:41.26 | Corrodias | carelessly. |
| 07:41.47 | Corrodias | science is fun, so don't work at it |
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| 07:51.02 | Sixen | lol@tavoren |
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| 08:55.41 | Adys | http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/21/0811241/Anti-Gamer-South-Australian-Attorney-General-Quits |
| 08:55.49 | Adys | rofl at "RAGE QUIT" comment |
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| 08:58.50 | Fisker | my head hurts Shirik |
| 08:58.58 | Shirik | k |
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| 09:24.05 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/global_warming_iceberg.jpg |
| 09:25.17 | mikma | heh, http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/neck_exercises.jpg |
| 09:26.45 | mikma | wobin: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/america_vs_deadpool.jpg |
| 09:27.06 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 09:27.33 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/pills.jpg |
| 09:40.43 | Wobin | hm |
| 09:40.44 | Wobin | fruit |
| 09:40.47 | Wobin | or cheese for dessert |
| 09:44.44 | mikma | cheese! |
| 09:46.21 | Adys | mikma: http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2010-03-21-n56.html |
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| 09:52.47 | mikma | hehe |
| 09:52.51 | mikma | nice feature |
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| 10:05.05 | harl | wuff |
| 10:17.10 | Fisker | you're killing me harl |
| 10:18.24 | Fisker | stop it |
| 10:18.52 | mikma | hey gusy (and fisker) |
| 10:18.53 | mikma | http://www.lucasarts.com/games/monkeyisland2/#/home |
| 10:20.08 | harl | hehe |
| 10:21.02 | Fisker | you're totally killing me |
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| 10:28.58 | DWSR | Good morning |
| 10:33.09 | Arathros | morning |
| 10:35.04 | harl | http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/Cooldown_status.htm |
| 10:35.51 | mikma | oh man God of War III looks amazing |
| 10:36.42 | Wobin | Well |
| 10:36.54 | Wobin | It looks the same as every other GoW |
| 10:36.54 | mikma | http://www.godofwar.com/fi_FI/groups/public/documents/webasset/g3_homevideo_1_pegi.mp4 |
| 10:36.57 | Wobin | which all look awesome |
| 10:37.19 | mikma | that's from finnish site but i guess the video is the same for everyone |
| 10:38.19 | DWSR | harl: Those are in Kelvin or thousands of Kelvin or what? |
| 10:39.03 | harl | Kelvin |
| 10:39.07 | DWSR | Hrm. |
| 10:39.11 | DWSR | Pretty chilly. |
| 10:39.17 | harl | yip |
| 10:39.35 | Arathros | wanna bet if al gore used the iceberg pic as a campain he would win lol |
| 10:39.44 | harl | it's even "spiked" up to about 9 of them at one of those magnets |
| 10:40.04 | DWSR | 9K lol |
| 10:40.15 | harl | hot! |
| 10:40.21 | DWSR | inorite? |
| 10:40.51 | harl | well.. |
| 10:41.12 | mikma | 8726.9°C |
| 10:41.18 | mikma | ain't that warm *cough* |
| 10:42.43 | harl | has to be somewhere beneath our sun's surface |
| 10:45.00 | DWSR | I'm somewhere beneath your mom's surface. |
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| 10:47.16 | harl | necrophile? |
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| 10:47.53 | mikma | so we have two trolls here now |
| 10:48.55 | DWSR | mikma: harl, Fisker and who? |
| 10:49.49 | harl | funny one |
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| 10:50.50 | DWSR | thanks :) |
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| 10:54.52 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/03/mmmm_god_of_war_iiis_nutrition.php |
| 10:54.56 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/03/tv_remote_with_integrated_bott.php |
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| 10:59.54 | DWSR | ROFL mikma. |
| 11:02.36 | DWSR | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/03/pedaling_dem_bones_a_skeleton.php |
| 11:05.54 | Taroven | http://io9.com/5492977/the-most-self+explanatory-painting-in-human-history |
| 11:07.31 | harl | that bike's actually pretty cool (being the piece of art it is), although practically not of very much comfort. |
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| 11:25.14 | mikma | http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/truck-pushes-car-highway/story?id=10137391 |
| 11:25.16 | mikma | ROAD RAAAAAAGEEEEEEE |
| 11:33.57 | Alleidun | I have a question :P |
| 11:34.45 | Alleidun | At what point in production of an addon do you start uploading it using svn ? When it's ready for people to download or just when you have some semi done code that you want to have placed on the net ? |
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| 11:46.40 | olafski | whenever you feel like it I'd say |
| 11:46.49 | olafski | if you want version management.. why not :) |
| 11:50.58 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCsb2jx0WAg&feature=related |
| 12:04.15 | Arrowmaster | fuck yeah, very hard sudoku puzzle completed in 28 seconds |
| 12:04.30 | Fisker | Â |
| 12:04.59 | Taroven | Alleidun: Better question is when not to use svn. |
| 12:05.06 | Arrowmaster | always |
| 12:05.20 | Taroven | (or git) |
| 12:05.26 | Arrowmaster | never |
| 12:05.53 | Arrowmaster | 8am, sleepy time |
| 12:06.42 | Taroven | I'd agree, but I have another 6gb worth of movies to go through and no idea why else I'm still awake... |
| 12:07.39 | olafski | arrowmaster: oO that's quick |
| 12:08.35 | Fisker | you wouldn't call me a troll DWSR |
| 12:09.02 | Alleidun | Taroven: Allrighty, I just don't feel ready to upload my addon yet, as there's a long way for it to be ready for anything. |
| 12:10.42 | Taroven | Alleidun: SVN ~= release. |
| 12:12.25 | Taroven | Think of the svn as a whole bunch of savegames for the development of your addon. |
| 12:12.56 | olafski | you can have 192 first versions before you release it |
| 12:12.58 | Alleidun | hmm |
| 12:13.22 | olafski | but really, don't call them First version every time ;) |
| 12:13.53 | Taroven | hehe |
| 12:13.56 | Alleidun | haha |
| 12:14.05 | Alleidun | was more thinking like. v 0.0.# |
| 12:14.23 | Taroven | I usually version by Local copy -> svn commits -> site release. |
| 12:14.35 | Taroven | Local copy is usually unstable as all hell and lives in my addons directory. |
| 12:14.51 | Taroven | svn commits are the stable benchmarks that happen along the way |
| 12:15.01 | Taroven | And the site releases are what the masses end up seeing. |
| 12:16.34 | Alleidun | Hhm sounds logical enough :) |
| 12:16.40 | Taroven | ^_^ |
| 12:16.47 | olafski | alleidun: I meant the commit message |
| 12:16.55 | Fisker | olafski |
| 12:17.01 | olafski | there's some project *cough* which has written "first version" on all 192 commits |
| 12:17.10 | Taroven | lawl olafski. |
| 12:17.13 | Alleidun | and commit message is the changelog or ? |
| 12:17.17 | olafski | yeah pretty much |
| 12:17.29 | olafski | usually you write something meaningful there to remember why you committed or something |
| 12:17.32 | olafski | @project Splitter |
| 12:17.33 | Repo | olafski: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/splitter/. Splitter. Game: WoW. Status: Experimental. Grayal (Manager/Author). Updated: 21 days ago |
| 12:17.34 | Taroven | Commit messages are whatever you want them to be. |
| 12:17.43 | Alleidun | Sorry my stupid questions, only just barely read about it in jnwhiteh 's book :) |
| 12:17.49 | Taroven | Heh, no worries. |
| 12:18.21 | Taroven | Here's the thing with subversion: Not many people are going to know of it, know how to use it, or will bother making use of yours. |
| 12:18.36 | Taroven | Thus, it's perfect for a personal record of an addon. |
| 12:18.53 | Alleidun | I see, it's only at the point where it's pushed ? |
| 12:19.27 | Taroven | At the very least it keeps an off-harddrive backup, but it also gives you the ability to go back to previously-scrapped features without too much effort. |
| 12:19.38 | olafski | wouldn't call these stupid questions =) |
| 12:20.09 | Alleidun | Will it be public when you upload it ? |
| 12:20.15 | olafski | the way the curse/wowace builders work is that you can commit as often as you like, but only when you tag something will it show up on the main sites |
| 12:20.20 | olafski | all versions are public though |
| 12:20.54 | Taroven | Any svn/git repo is public unless made implicitly private. |
| 12:21.09 | Alleidun | But as a rookie it would benefit as I can easily ask someone to try it out in one of the releases ? |
| 12:21.22 | Alleidun | or repo's |
| 12:21.37 | Taroven | You could say "try the latest on the svn" provided you have a link, correct. |
| 12:22.22 | Taroven | s/have/give |
| 12:22.25 | Taroven | s/have/give/ |
| 12:22.27 | Taroven | GRAH |
| 12:22.32 | Alleidun | hehe |
| 12:22.32 | Taroven | gives up |
| 12:22.37 | Taroven | Anyway. |
| 12:22.44 | Alleidun | cuddles Taroven |
| 12:22.47 | Taroven | =P |
| 12:22.52 | Taroven | So yeah. |
| 12:22.56 | Taroven | I use google code myself. |
| 12:23.08 | Alleidun | hwo come ? |
| 12:23.10 | Alleidun | *how |
| 12:23.16 | Taroven | I find it a touch easier to work with than the curseforge and wowi svns, is all. |
| 12:23.49 | Taroven | That and I could never figure out why releasing from svn never, ever worked for me. |
| 12:24.25 | Taroven | It would always completely ignore directory structure for some reason... I said screw it and just made a couple batchfiles for releasing stuff. =P |
| 12:24.49 | Taroven | Not to say you'll have the same issues, I was likely doing things VERY wrong. |
| 12:25.16 | Taroven | It's a personal preference thing in the end. |
| 12:25.56 | Alleidun | That it is. I'm currently trying to figure out how to organice my addon, as I've built it up with different files for different parts of the addon, and now it's getting more and more complex. |
| 12:26.18 | Taroven | If it doesn't need to be complex, don't make things harder on yourself. =P |
| 12:26.32 | Taroven | Take EventHorizon for example. |
| 12:26.35 | Taroven | It's a big addon. |
| 12:26.45 | mikma | can has popcorn nom nom nom? http://mikma.eu/sekret/M&H_Band_-_Popcorn.mp3 nom! |
| 12:26.53 | Taroven | However, its core is a single file. |
| 12:27.25 | Taroven | Reason: It really doesn't need to be split up, and in that specific case, splitting it would really suck for me as a programmer. |
| 12:27.39 | Alleidun | I know I know, but it's (in my opinion) a big addon with a lot of different parts, and I want those parts to be in different files so that I may add them as modules from wowace later :) |
| 12:28.21 | Taroven | Yeah, pretty much all depends on the scope of the project I guess. |
| 12:28.22 | olafski | just do what works for you :P |
| 12:28.29 | Taroven | ^ |
| 12:28.30 | olafski | but if it's already this big I'd say start using svn now :) |
| 12:28.58 | Taroven | Definitely. |
| 12:29.22 | Taroven | And decide how you're gonna handle commit messages. |
| 12:29.50 | Alleidun | big and big :P I've created the main parts in a very simple manner. And still need the last parts to be done too, although they are the hard ones as they depend on instance events :S |
| 12:29.53 | Taroven | Commit messages are wonderful things if you use a little sense with them =P |
| 12:30.10 | olafski | I think aceforge also includes the commit messages in the changelog.txt |
| 12:30.25 | olafski | oh and if you use any libs, might want to check out the .pkgmeta stuff |
| 12:30.31 | Alleidun | Ain't it just "fixed: jada jada function" -- "added: kill switch" -- "removed: coffee stain" |
| 12:30.40 | Taroven | I hate those auto-gen changelogs... impossible to actually tell what changed >.> |
| 12:30.52 | Taroven | Something like that. |
| 12:31.02 | Alleidun | can I google pkgmeta ? |
| 12:31.17 | olafski | alleidun: yep that's what I generally use commit messages for |
| 12:31.18 | Alleidun | I could :P |
| 12:31.55 | olafski | alleidun: http://kb.curseforge.com/projects/pkgmeta-file/ |
| 12:32.04 | Alleidun | Remember to use spaces instead of tabs for indentation in the file <-- whoah ? :S |
| 12:32.13 | olafski | yes, that's important |
| 12:32.24 | olafski | basically it allows you to not upload your libraries with it and have the packager pull them from their repositories |
| 12:32.42 | Taroven | My svn includes multiple projects, so I do "[X]FileName: General list of changes" ([X] being an abbreviation of the project name) |
| 12:33.40 | Taroven | Since svns give the wonderful benefit of automatic diffs, you really don't need anything exact. |
| 12:34.03 | Alleidun | Got a customer. brb |
| 12:34.22 | Taroven | Spaces vs tabs: Do what you want. That's just people being picky... |
| 12:34.51 | olafski | no, for pkgmeta you actually need to use spaces |
| 12:35.18 | Taroven | ah. |
| 12:35.22 | Taroven | Never screwed with it |
| 12:37.30 | Alleidun | Aah so I will always have the newest revision of the libs |
| 12:38.00 | Taroven | More like: "Ahh so I will never have to screw with libs". |
| 12:38.13 | Taroven | Similar idea. =P |
| 12:38.40 | olafski | yeah |
| 12:38.50 | olafski | unless a lib breaks something that worked with an older version :) |
| 12:38.57 | olafski | though you can also have it pull a specific version of a lib |
| 12:39.07 | Alleidun | haha :P but I like to look at already written code to get ideas or troubleshoot some of the crap I wrote :P |
| 12:39.09 | olafski | I think another benefit is that people can download a version of your addon without libs |
| 12:39.23 | olafski | well you can still keep the libs on your pc of course |
| 12:39.26 | olafski | just don't commit them |
| 12:40.19 | Alleidun | and I get pull the latest package easily right ? |
| 12:40.23 | Alleidun | -get |
| 12:40.28 | olafski | yer |
| 12:40.37 | Alleidun | that's a benefit :) |
| 12:41.37 | Taroven | HELL YES. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvAa8QQS1Dk |
| 12:42.31 | Alleidun | Are you bored ? |
| 12:43.09 | Taroven | A little? |
| 12:43.21 | Alleidun | hehe |
| 12:43.35 | Alleidun | same here, at work, with a costumer calling once every 10-15 mins :S |
| 12:43.42 | Taroven | Heh. |
| 12:43.59 | Taroven | I've been perusing the recommended items list on greader for the last hour. |
| 12:44.18 | Taroven | s/hour/two hours/ |
| 12:44.31 | Taroven | While watching star wars. |
| 12:44.45 | Taroven | and doing the irc thing. |
| 12:45.18 | Taroven | My efforts towards entertainment are... uh... unique today? |
| 12:46.06 | Alleidun | You can say that :P |
| 12:46.30 | Alleidun | Are there any Libs for boss events, if that at all is possible :S |
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| 12:47.13 | Taroven | You could prolly piggyback off bigwigs. |
| 12:47.42 | Alleidun | been looking through DBM :P They use spell id's and that's not really usable for what I want :) |
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| 12:47.54 | Taroven | Why not? |
| 12:48.42 | Taroven | local spellname = GetSpellInfo(spellID) |
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| 12:49.01 | Alleidun | Because I'm doing a raidleader addon that needs to shout tactics based on instance. So when you enter ToC it will tell tactics for the first three, when they're down it'll tell tactics for the next boss and so on :) |
| 12:49.26 | Alleidun | No spells are cast after entering |
| 12:49.37 | Alleidun | Or atleast not untill the event is started ;) |
| 12:51.10 | Taroven | Couldn't tell ya. |
| 12:51.25 | Taroven | Try bigwigs. |
| 12:51.39 | Taroven | (yes, I'm tired...) |
| 12:53.48 | Fisker | Â |
| 12:53.48 | Alleidun | will do |
| 12:54.11 | olafski | does it auto shout the tactics? |
| 12:55.14 | Alleidun | yes |
| 12:55.29 | foxlit | Run away little girl, run away! |
| 12:55.51 | olafski | maybe you'll want to make that optional.. e.g. add a slash command to manually shout tacs or something =) |
| 12:57.49 | Alleidun | Basically it does everything (almost). From a database with required needs, achievement, gear and roles it will shout invites in general or guild chat about every two minutes. as people whisper for invites they will be checked and invited into the raid. When the raid is full it will take the best geared tank and appoint him maintank and the same with healers. When you enter the raid it will tell raid rules (looting) , general r |
| 12:58.27 | Alleidun | smoke. brb |
| 12:58.29 | Taroven | So basically it will require both gearscore and dbm/bigwigs? |
| 12:58.46 | Taroven | And do a whole bunch of automatic stuff? |
| 12:58.49 | olafski | does it also kill bosses? :D |
| 12:58.59 | Alleidun | nope :) did my own gear check, by just taking itemlevel / numitems :P |
| 12:59.02 | foxlit | Should also distribute the loot, tbh. |
| 12:59.09 | Alleidun | will do foxlit ;) |
| 12:59.12 | olafski | distribute? |
| 12:59.18 | olafski | it assigns everything to the master looter |
| 12:59.35 | olafski | given the work that is required for raid leading, that seems like a just reward ;) |
| 13:00.03 | Alleidun | well, I want it to register rolls and tell it in raid and if possible give it away auto too based on rolls and so on. not sure it's possible. |
| 13:00.19 | Alleidun | not gotten that far yet :P |
| 13:00.31 | olafski | I'd be careful with giving items away automatically |
| 13:00.41 | olafski | but you could make a few buttons to auto assign |
| 13:00.47 | Alleidun | make it double check with a yes / no confirm box |
| 13:00.54 | olafski | yeh |
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| 13:04.57 | mikma | how can you stretch background image with html? |
| 13:05.25 | Alleidun | are you using css ? |
| 13:05.58 | foxlit | I don't think that'd make a difference. |
| 13:06.39 | foxlit | Which is to say I don't think you can stretch background images with html and/or css. |
| 13:08.16 | Alleidun | I think you' |
| 13:08.18 | Alleidun | re right |
| 13:09.12 | jnwhiteh | http://webdesign.about.com/od/css3/f/blfaqbgsize.htm |
| 13:09.22 | jnwhiteh | first result on google |
| 13:10.03 | foxlit | "Unfortunately, no browsers support this property at this time." basically. |
| 13:10.22 | Wobin | wow, terrible hack |
| 13:10.31 | Alleidun | :P |
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| 13:13.53 | olafski | I thought css was just a collection of hacks to begin with |
| 13:14.22 | olafski | seems whenever you want to do something more than changing text color you have to do all sorts of strange things to make it behave the same in every browser |
| 13:16.38 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't make the standard 'hacks' |
| 13:16.43 | jnwhiteh | it makes the implementations 'wrong' |
| 13:17.29 | olafski | :( I was kidding |
| 13:17.40 | olafski | I actually feel really good when I've done a proper css design |
| 13:17.42 | olafski | unfortunately I stink at it |
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| 13:17.58 | olafski | anything over font colors I prefer to leave to my colleagues who are better at it :P |
| 13:18.09 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 13:19.44 | olafski | setting up the layout for my gf's portfolio took ages |
| 13:19.55 | olafski | which is why she should really learn to do this herself |
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| 13:21.38 | Alleidun | get her a book of CSS for dummies :P |
| 13:22.01 | Wobin | does what olafski does |
| 13:22.10 | Wobin | my job is "Back End Programmer" |
| 13:22.20 | Wobin | I leave all the fancy lookin stuff to the front end programmers =) |
| 13:22.44 | olafski | let's start with html for dummies |
| 13:22.49 | olafski | yeah same if I can help it wobin |
| 13:22.59 | olafski | if not.. well my layouts tend to not be spectacular |
| 13:27.29 | Fisker | you Wobin |
| 13:27.30 | Fisker | YOU! |
| 13:27.53 | Wobin | Couldn't be |
| 13:27.58 | olafski | I need an asp.net for dummies book I think |
| 13:29.57 | Fisker | bitchduck Wobin |
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| 13:39.43 | Wobin | Man, how do the visually impaired skiiers do it? |
| 13:43.40 | cbreak | gravity |
| 13:43.47 | Alleidun | farts |
| 13:59.10 | foxlit | sigh, phpBB |
| 13:59.31 | foxlit | Wonder why they thought it was a good idea to allow you to use their admin interface to execute arbitrary PHP code |
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| 14:16.38 | ScytheBlade1 | gah |
| 14:16.50 | ScytheBlade1 | creepy: noticing a black widow on the floor right next to your foot |
| 14:18.00 | Wobin | "Ssssurprissse! >8<>8<>8<>8<>8<>8<" |
| 14:18.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 14:18.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually I froze in place |
| 14:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Picked up a shoe |
| 14:18.32 | ScytheBlade1 | And smooshed it |
| 14:18.38 | Alleidun | You're evil ! |
| 14:18.43 | Wobin | ">_<" |
| 14:18.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Him or me |
| 14:18.56 | Wobin | or maybe ">O<" |
| 14:19.04 | ScytheBlade1 | And by me, I mean 3-ish days of not working |
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| 14:19.22 | Alleidun | hehe you I guess :P |
| 14:19.32 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 14:19.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I've been bitten by a black widow once |
| 14:19.40 | ScytheBlade1 | it sucks |
| 14:21.19 | Fisker | ScytheBlade1 |
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| 14:26.40 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: which country do you live in? |
| 14:26.56 | ScytheBlade1 | US |
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| 14:30.23 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23767610295&sid=1&pageNo=2#34 |
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| 14:39.52 | ScytheBlade1 | So if anyone wants to be outright pissed off at humanity |
| 14:39.53 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.news4jax.com/video/22881088/index.html |
| 14:40.28 | Lopeppeppy | humans suck |
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| 14:42.25 | ScytheBlade1 | That's more or less a babysitter beating the living crap out of an 11-month old. |
| 14:43.07 | Lopeppeppy | Someone needs to die. |
| 14:44.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Tossing said baby around like a rag doll. THROWING a ball at his head. Beating him repeatedly. |
| 14:45.46 | Taroven | http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2010/03/comparative-religion.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+BradDelongsSemi-dailyJournal+(Brad+DeLong's+Semi-Daily+Journal) |
| 14:45.50 | Taroven | (loooong link) |
| 14:46.08 | ScytheBlade1 | http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2010/03/comparative-religion.html <-- shorter link |
| 14:46.53 | Wobin | eh |
| 14:46.57 | Wobin | there's a longer version of that |
| 14:47.09 | Wobin | (and it's unfortunately fake, as amusing as the reality would be) |
| 14:47.26 | Taroven | ScytheBlade1: I tried that before pasting the long one... it broke for me. |
| 14:47.29 | Wobin | http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/dogheaven.asp |
| 14:52.20 | foxlit | Amusing |
| 14:53.03 | Kraps | why the hell am i in the hunters group? |
| 14:53.51 | Kraps | is that where an ele shammy usually goes? |
| 14:54.08 | foxlit | Ele shammy usually goes to group 6. |
| 14:54.12 | foxlit | </rimshot> |
| 14:54.33 | Kraps | i dun get it |
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| 18:40.46 | Industrial | ~botsnack |
| 18:40.46 | purl | thanks, Industrial |
| 18:48.47 | foxlit | isset($_GET[$k]) ? $_GET[$k] : isset($_POST[$k]) ? $_POST[$k] : false; |
| 18:49.05 | foxlit | apparently returns NULL without brackets around the second ?: |
| 18:49.30 | Dagmar | That is hateful use of ternary operators |
| 18:50.17 | foxlit | Apparently they messed up precendence |
| 18:50.50 | foxlit | so a ? b : c ? d : e is actually (a ? b : c) ? d : e |
| 18:51.50 | foxlit | Dagmar: it looks better when formatted, however |
| 18:51.53 | Dagmar | Cross your fingers and hope it doesn't chaneg |
| 18:52.14 | Dagmar | foxlit: I don't think it could look any worse than it does all on one line |
| 18:52.24 | foxlit | Basically, it's three lines |
| 18:52.34 | Dagmar | It's got a pretty high wtf/m factor as one line |
| 18:52.36 | foxlit | Each is condition ? thing to return if condition is fulfilled : |
| 18:52.46 | foxlit | Which is very readable. |
| 18:53.40 | Thunder_Child | 'la marathon road closures' - 2nd most popular search in the past hour. fuck you marathon, fuck you |
| 18:56.10 | Lopeppeppy | Why not just stay home the day of such a hideous traffic disaster? |
| 18:56.54 | Shirik | that's not a "hideous traffic disaster" |
| 18:57.02 | Shirik | "hideous traffic disaster" is I-95 literally blowing up |
| 18:57.04 | Dagmar | Because cigarettes are a lot more fun to smoke when runners are going by |
| 18:57.38 | Lopeppeppy | I 95 around Boston was always fun times. |
| 18:58.12 | Thunder_Child | because i alrady have plans |
| 18:58.16 | Thunder_Child | already* |
| 18:58.17 | olafski | Geirviff yells: ALL HAIL $N, CHAMPION OF VALHALLAS! |
| 18:58.18 | olafski | lol |
| 18:58.33 | Adys | shadowed ping |
| 18:58.39 | Arrowmaster | im trying to figure out if Ackis ever turns off his xbox |
| 18:58.56 | Lopeppeppy | why would he? |
| 19:00.05 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-3588441/I-95-shutdown-coordinating-transportation.html |
| 19:00.11 | Shirik | that was some crazy shit |
| 19:03.34 | Lopeppeppy | We had a few 20+ car pileups during the winter while I lived out in Boston. That one also sounds hideous. |
| 19:03.35 | olafski | he won't turn it off until he has all the achievements in the world |
| 19:07.39 | Kraps | people on the ptr are even shittier than on live |
| 19:07.56 | Dagmar | It's the trailer culture |
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| 19:08.44 | Kraps | how do you mean? |
| 19:09.24 | Dagmar | They don't have anything worthwhile going on IRL, so they make up for it by trying their hardest to make it look like they're a "professional" raider |
| 19:09.31 | Dagmar | I just turn trade and general both off on the PTR. |
| 19:09.50 | Kraps | its even in groups |
| 19:09.54 | Dagmar | Cuz yeah, on the PTR, people are complete and utter cocks about everything |
| 19:10.25 | olafski | you have trade and general enabled on live? oO |
| 19:10.38 | Dagmar | They're all twisted up because this is their chance to get at the fights when it doesn't "count" so they can act big and important when the beat the new fights on the first day of live |
| 19:10.59 | Dagmar | olafski: Disclaimer, I use InfiniteIgnore |
| 19:11.10 | Dagmar | ~400 people on ignore |
| 19:11.13 | olafski | that sounds nice |
| 19:11.16 | olafski | I should get that :P |
| 19:11.20 | Dagmar | Everyone should have it |
| 19:11.30 | olafski | whenever I go into trade because I really want something I get sick of it within a minute |
| 19:11.35 | Dagmar | 100 names in the default ignore list is nowhere near enough |
| 19:11.59 | olafski | I tend to forget about the ignore option |
| 19:12.10 | Dagmar | Usually I just use the report option |
| 19:12.14 | olafski | some random healer leaves my dungeon group after pulling 4 packs and I'm like "wtf what an ass" |
| 19:12.23 | olafski | then an hour later I think "shit, should've ignored him |
| 19:12.32 | Dagmar | I seriously would not be against GMs being assigned a few hours a day to just monitor trade chat and hand out tempbans |
| 19:12.43 | olafski | I don't think anyone would be against that |
| 19:12.50 | olafski | except the annoying turds messing up trade.. :) |
| 19:12.58 | Dagmar | Tough shit for them |
| 19:13.03 | olafski | wouldn't mind if the rules were a lot more strict over all |
| 19:13.27 | olafski | e.g. if someone pulls something like I just mentioned and a GM notices, make a comment (internally) |
| 19:13.32 | olafski | if it happens again, suspend |
| 19:13.52 | Dagmar | I think the rules are fine, they're just either a) not enforced because no one can easily report these things, and b) not enforced _quickly_ enough |
| 19:14.03 | Dagmar | Like, just two weeks ago there was another outbreak of [anal] spam |
| 19:14.26 | olafski | yeah would be nice if there were a few GMs looking at that specifically |
| 19:14.38 | Dagmar | Just a bunch of dimwits who didn't know the GMs will now drop a ban on you for that on the first offense, and they see two other morons doing it, and figure it's fair game |
| 19:14.38 | olafski | e.g. "oh, someone has been reported by right clicking in trade chat? let's look right now" |
| 19:14.49 | olafski | they ban you for that? |
| 19:14.50 | olafski | cool |
| 19:14.57 | Dagmar | Next thing you know, there's dozens of lines of [anal] this that and the other |
| 19:15.24 | olafski | ah I have BadBoy installed, I think it stops that |
| 19:15.25 | olafski | not sure though |
| 19:15.38 | Dagmar | olafski: Oh yes they'll pop a ban o npeople for it because every single player knows they should not do it |
| 19:16.04 | Dagmar | But simple code could handle banning people for anal spam |
| 19:16.05 | olafski | great =) |
| 19:16.08 | Dagmar | No need to even involve a GM. |
| 19:16.11 | olafski | yer |
| 19:16.17 | Dagmar | Maybe GM "bash script" |
| 19:16.34 | olafski | you mean a script that alerts a GM? |
| 19:16.44 | Dagmar | No, I mean a script that triages the spam report queue |
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| 19:17.48 | Dagmar | Any line matching a slightly better regexp than just "*anal*" could immediately be handled as a 3-hour timeout ban |
| 19:18.22 | Dagmar | Likewise for anything like "F*CK F*CK F*CK F*CK F*CK" ten times in a row |
| 19:18.32 | Fisker | LOL! |
| 19:18.33 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12947345823&sid=1 |
| 19:18.38 | Fisker | ET realmist "logon2.scapegaming.com" |
| 19:18.42 | Fisker | nice config, bro. |
| 19:18.59 | Adys | Dagmar: I think you'd need a lot more *anal*ysis into trade chat to make a regex |
| 19:19.03 | Dagmar | On EFnet, back in "the day" we had to police our own channels, and if this shit can be done with tcl unfailingly, I'm *sure* some good coders at Blizzard could do the same in lua or C if they got clearance |
| 19:19.15 | olafski | dagmar: anything that's spammed more than twice in 10 seconds could be a 3 hour ban :0 |
| 19:19.33 | olafski | or maybe a disconnect once with a message (not just "you have been disconnected") and a ban afterwards |
| 19:19.52 | Dagmar | Adys: 1. I _did_ say better than the simple one I typed would be needed, and 2. I specifically said _triage_ the _report spam_ queue |
| 19:20.05 | Adys | Dagmar: Im being an ass, I just wanted to say analysis |
| 19:20.07 | Dagmar | So let's not try and take pot shots at arguments I didn't make |
| 19:20.10 | Dagmar | Oh okay |
| 19:20.14 | Dagmar | Neveremind me then. heh |
| 19:20.17 | Adys | Don't be too anal about this |
| 19:20.48 | Dagmar | olafski: More than three times I think would be needed |
| 19:20.56 | Dagmar | We went for the |
| 19:21.10 | Dagmar | we went for the "80% rule" in #Rave on EFnet |
| 19:21.17 | olafski | dagmar: well, if you disconnect someone because they spammed it 3 times in 10 seconds and tell them why you disconnected them, that seems fair to me :P |
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| 19:21.36 | Dagmar | if it'll get more than 80% of the problems and not have any false positives, it was good enough. Very few people flooding stop at just three lines |
| 19:21.48 | olafski | true |
| 19:27.08 | Dagmar | ...and screw bothering with telling them right away. |
| 19:27.30 | Dagmar | If they were flooding 4+ lines in a handful of seconds, they know _exactly_ what they were doing to get slapped down |
| 19:31.13 | Lopeppeppy | has the bored!!! |
| 19:31.28 | haste | still? |
| 19:32.34 | Lopeppeppy | yeah... that's what I get for being sick so many weekends in a row |
| 19:32.44 | olafski | sure dagmar but if you tell them you can set the rules even tighter |
| 19:34.40 | Dagmar | Oh, there's generally no need to tighten rules much |
| 19:35.11 | Dagmar | I'm saying the server doens't need to give them an explicit message about why they got booted. They can wait for the automated email to arrive for that |
| 19:35.11 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: watch cute animals on youtube |
| 19:35.42 | Dagmar | If they were flooding /2, they know what they were doing because they were doing it deliberately. The sudden disconnection should come as no suprise to them. |
| 19:35.58 | olafski | true enough I guess |
| 19:36.11 | olafski | would still be fair to, if you're going to suddenly enforce something like this, at least post something at the logon screen |
| 19:36.13 | Lopeppeppy | I just started a Modern Marvels for my PT session. :) |
| 19:36.23 | olafski | no spammer reads that anyway |
| 19:36.24 | Dagmar | If they were talking racist nonsense, and a bunch of people right-click reported them at once, same deal there |
| 19:36.27 | olafski | but then they have been warned :) |
| 19:36.56 | Dagmar | They don't need to be warned that flooding the screens of other people with obscenities is forbidden behaviour |
| 19:37.10 | Dagmar | It's just common sense you shoudlnt' do that, unless you were raised by badgers |
| 19:37.10 | mikma | man, this Oxygene part 8 is still so freaking lovely |
| 19:38.28 | Dagmar | olafski: ...and I can tell you from past experience, that if they did post something like that to the login screen so that everyone saw it when they logged in, it would be a huge mistake |
| 19:38.58 | olafski | why's that? |
| 19:39.28 | Dagmar | You do that, and you attract attention to the new system, and pinheads who would otherwise just stick with trying to hunt lowbies in PvP zones would spend all afternoon doing everything they can to piss people off without actually triggering any thresholds whatsoever. |
| 19:39.31 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/stormtrooper.jpg |
| 19:39.44 | Dagmar | It's like throwing a challenge gauntlet down in front of the trolls |
| 19:40.24 | olafski | oh yeah true :P |
| 19:40.31 | Industrial | mikma: ew no :< |
| 19:40.38 | Dagmar | For the brief two weeks the bots in #Rave were warning people onjoin, malicious behaviour was just through the roof |
| 19:41.08 | Dagmar | Things went much better when any one of the five bots just b'kicked people without warning for things that only an idiot would think was okay |
| 19:41.38 | Fisker | you Industrial |
| 19:41.39 | Fisker | you. |
| 19:42.06 | olafski | I still think blizzard wouldn't do such a thing without warning.. just to remove any liability.. imagine the posts on the forum "wtf i got suspended without warning" ;p |
| 19:42.07 | Thunder_Child | Fisker |
| 19:42.13 | olafski | even though everyone reading it would think "good riddance" |
| 19:42.32 | Dagmar | They had their warning |
| 19:42.40 | Dagmar | The ToS has been there for ages |
| 19:42.54 | Dagmar | ...and three hours won't kill anyone |
| 19:42.58 | olafski | that doesn't stop people from qqing "omg I only shared account and now I got banned? wtf this isn't illegal is it?" |
| 19:43.16 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 19:43.18 | Fisker | you? |
| 19:43.18 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/flame-thrower.jpg - hehe, good thing FF is disabled in TF2 |
| 19:43.26 | Thunder_Child | no you |
| 19:43.33 | Fisker | no u |
| 19:43.37 | Dagmar | olafski: That's a wholly separate issue there |
| 19:43.39 | Industrial | Fisker: no, Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn. |
| 19:43.41 | Thunder_Child | n u |
| 19:43.50 | Fisker | u |
| 19:43.55 | Dagmar | olafski: ...but afaik they'll do more than a short term tempban for account sharing |
| 19:44.07 | olafski | LOL mikma |
| 19:44.41 | Fisker | it seems like you've been cornered Thunder_Child |
| 19:45.24 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: . |
| 19:45.30 | Thunder_Child | part of a u |
| 19:45.39 | Thunder_Child | i win |
| 19:48.13 | mikma | <3 Jean Michel Jarre - Calypso - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2omIGB1j-cM |
| 19:53.15 | Fisker | no Thunder_Child |
| 19:53.18 | Fisker | Â |
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| 20:03.24 | Fisker | i hate Blizzard |
| 20:03.24 | Fisker | the first time there actually drops Paladin loot in VoA it's 2xHoly tokens |
| 20:03.24 | Fisker | i'm ret/prot of course |
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| 20:05.40 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/03/tiny-instant-physicists-broken-law-nature/ |
| 20:05.46 | Adys | Think they're going to science jail? |
| 20:06.14 | Kraps | @fisker: another nub who blames his bad luck on Blizzard |
| 20:07.13 | Fisker | what the fuck |
| 20:07.21 | Fisker | T9 Ret just dropped from Koralon |
| 20:07.23 | Fisker | Twice |
| 20:07.24 | Fisker | lol. |
| 20:07.31 | Fisker | Talk about luck |
| 20:08.14 | Fisker | and no i don't blame my bad luck on Blizzard Kraps |
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| 20:26.46 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I turn off my xbox quite often :P |
| 20:26.59 | Arrowmaster | then you turn it right back on |
| 20:27.05 | Ackis | yup :) |
| 20:27.26 | Lopeppeppy | Wow. Maybe t his whole being single thing doesn't suck so much at tax time. |
| 20:27.27 | Ackis | last night I was having issues with Tinker on the PC which is why I was online/offline a lot |
| 20:32.18 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: you get more writeoffs for being single? |
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| 20:33.24 | Shirik | ever heard of the marriage penalty? |
| 20:33.54 | Ackis | nope, never really considered a relationship to be a financial benefit/loss :P |
| 20:33.59 | Ackis | afk lego is calling me |
| 20:34.20 | Ackis | bah it's closed |
| 20:34.22 | Ackis | cries |
| 20:34.37 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_penalty |
| 20:34.52 | Shirik | The marriage penalty in the United States refers to the higher taxes required from some married couples, where spouses are making approximately the same taxable income, filing one tax return ("married filing jointly") than for the same two people filing two separate tax returns if they were unmarried (i.e. filing as "single", not "married filing separately"). The percentage of couples affected has varied over the |
| 20:35.37 | EthanCentaurai | hugs Ackis |
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| 20:35.47 | Ackis | ewww |
| 20:35.48 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, this is my first year filing single in 10 years. Trust me. Huge fucking difference. Not only do I not owe multiple thousands, I get $ back. |
| 20:37.15 | Shirik | I don't remember the last time I had to pay taxes |
| 20:37.20 | Shirik | I don't remember the first time I had to pay taxes |
| 20:37.34 | Shirik | Now that I think about it I think I have to pay taxes this year... |
| 20:37.41 | Shirik | booooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 20:38.06 | Lopeppeppy | Better get a leg up on that, boyo. It's late March. |
| 20:39.01 | Shirik | booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 20:39.06 | Shirik | well I've always filed taxes |
| 20:39.08 | Gnarfoz | luckily, filing tax returns is optional for most people here... but then, you don't get anything back if you don't :D |
| 20:39.11 | Shirik | just I've never had to actually PAY |
| 20:39.17 | Shirik | because I don't make enough money |
| 20:39.28 | Shirik | but now I do :( |
| 20:39.29 | Arrowmaster | dont think i have to even file taxes this year |
| 20:39.56 | Arrowmaster | i dont have a CD at the bank anymore, just a checking account without any interest |
| 20:43.21 | Ackis | I don't know why they just don't automate the income tax system. They have all my T slips already entered, there's no point in me just submitting that info again. Stupid gov't. |
| 20:43.27 | Dagmar | Shirik: You should probably hassle HR about that then. They're supposed to take out the correct amount of taxes as you go along |
| 20:43.40 | Shirik | well |
| 20:43.44 | Shirik | I mean I'm not getting all of that back |
| 20:43.51 | Shirik | I'm used to just getting all of it back because I didn't make enough money |
| 20:43.59 | Dagmar | The side effect of any pay increases generally means you get a small refund, just because of the way they compute it |
| 20:44.17 | Shirik | oh this isn't a pay increase, it's more of a "I actually had a real job" |
| 20:44.34 | Dagmar | Ackis: It's not "the goverment" that's the problem. It's the goddamn luddites |
| 20:44.37 | olafski | ackis: they already fill most of it out for us I think.. just have to press confirm |
| 20:44.55 | Shirik | in my 2-3 months at Boeing I made more money than I make in an entire year at school :( |
| 20:45.12 | olafski | oh lordie lord I can't wait to get a job |
| 20:45.20 | foxlit | "Bottom: US map showing location of Virginia, which has a relatively high lightning rate." |
| 20:45.20 | Dagmar | Clinton signed into law the bits that provide for a purely electronic signature on your tax returns. It's the goddamn luddites who've decided you _also_ need to print out a stupid sheet of paper and sign it |
| 20:45.20 | Gnarfoz | it's not like you're supposed to earn money at school |
| 20:45.21 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 20:45.29 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_USA_VA.svg << "We totally had to use this image here" |
| 20:45.42 | Dagmar | Of course, _not_ sending that signature paper back has yet to make them redact anyone's return that I'm aware of |
| 20:45.49 | Dagmar | On general principle I've never sent the damn thing back |
| 20:46.13 | Shirik | foxlit? |
| 20:46.24 | foxlit | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Sullivan |
| 20:46.43 | olafski | heh |
| 20:46.49 | olafski | that image was really relevant! |
| 20:47.04 | Shirik | worst use of images ever |
| 20:47.10 | Dagmar | foxlit: The whole of the bible belt from there to Arkansas has a crapload of lightning strikes |
| 20:47.20 | Dagmar | Nashville is about to enter it's own "god is angry" season |
| 20:47.49 | Dagmar | I think I saw _two_ the whole time I was in SF. I've seen four times that many this week already and it's only been a couple of light storms |
| 20:48.03 | Dagmar | Before April is up we'll have seen 10,000 strikes |
| 20:48.37 | Dagmar | Yes, I have some significant infrastructure at home tied up in UPS and surge suppression |
| 20:48.47 | Dagmar | ...otherwise I get boat anchors. |
| 20:52.08 | Shirik | cheers at private inheritance |
| 20:52.11 | Shirik | SUCK THAT JAVA |
| 20:52.26 | Shirik | I just saved myself like 100 lines of code by using 1 simple keyword |
| 20:52.26 | olafski | :'( |
| 20:52.45 | Adys | why would we want to suck on java? |
| 20:52.51 | olafski | I do that regularly |
| 20:52.57 | Adys | doesn't java suck well enough on its own? |
| 20:53.01 | olafski | say with "import java.util.ArrayList;" I save myself quite some code |
| 20:53.24 | Shirik | Java doesn't let you use private inheritance! |
| 20:53.34 | Shirik | as a result it suffers from code bloat and inefficiencies |
| 20:53.35 | olafski | I'm sure I'd be devastated if I knew what that is |
| 20:53.46 | Shirik | it's an incredibly simple concept |
| 20:54.07 | Shirik | it's inheritance, but all members are private (including the operator to cast back to its base class) |
| 20:54.37 | haste | I'm sure I'd be devastated as well if I cared about multiple multiple [multiple, ...] inheritance |
| 20:54.47 | olafski | haste: +) |
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| 20:55.11 | olafski | there are some things I miss in Java.. but this doesn't sound like one of them |
| 20:55.16 | Shirik | class CFieldSpecifiedQuery : virtual public IQuery, private IFieldSet |
| 20:55.21 | Shirik | beautiful |
| 20:55.22 | Shirik | admit it |
| 20:55.23 | olafski | actually not that much that I miss |
| 20:55.34 | olafski | I have no clue what that's supposed to do shirik |
| 20:55.36 | haste | you're at the limit with that Shirik ! |
| 20:55.40 | Shirik | (and before you go around screaming "OMG MULTIPLE INHERITANCE") note that those are both interfaces |
| 20:55.43 | olafski | nor do I particularly feel like reading it again to figure it out |
| 20:56.11 | olafski | I like how you prepended C and I to the names of classes oO |
| 20:56.19 | Shirik | olafski: It's the same as Java's "class CFieldSpecifiedQuery implements IQuery, IFieldSet" |
| 20:56.21 | Shirik | except better |
| 20:56.26 | Shirik | olafski: Blame Microsoft |
| 20:56.38 | haste | or the sun |
| 20:56.44 | haste | oh hey, or Canada |
| 20:56.45 | olafski | be that C#? |
| 20:56.48 | Shirik | C++ |
| 20:56.51 | olafski | oh |
| 20:56.55 | olafski | I wanna learn C# I think |
| 20:57.01 | Shirik | you wanna learn C++ first |
| 20:57.15 | Adys | no |
| 20:57.17 | olafski | hm in that case never mind I guess |
| 20:57.19 | Adys | you wanna learn C++ |
| 20:57.21 | Adys | thats all |
| 20:57.24 | Adys | you dont wanna learn C# |
| 20:57.27 | olafski | I'll try to get a job with Java instead |
| 20:57.27 | Shirik | eh, C# isn't bad |
| 20:57.30 | Shirik | it's certainly better than Java |
| 20:57.35 | Adys | erm |
| 20:57.37 | Shirik | get a job with Java and you will hate yourself for the rest of your life |
| 20:57.38 | haste | not too hard! :D |
| 20:57.40 | Adys | for once in my lifetime |
| 20:57.42 | Adys | ill defend java |
| 20:57.50 | Industrial | grabs popcorn |
| 20:57.55 | haste | steals some. |
| 20:58.21 | Shirik | Sometimes I love VS's errors |
| 20:58.26 | Shirik | 1>c:\users\mpdelbuono\documents\code\idea\database\fieldspecifiedquery.cpp(26) : error C3083: 'FieldSetImpl': the symbol to the left of a '::' must be a type |
| 20:58.31 | Shirik | and I'm sitting here like "no shit" |
| 20:58.36 | Shirik | that's not an error |
| 20:58.41 | Shirik | that's like, "hey did you know this was a rule?" |
| 20:58.52 | Shirik | error is "The symbol to the left of a '::' is not a type" |
| 20:59.23 | Adys | CRITICAL: YOU ARE NOT MAKING ANY SENSE. PLEASE REBOOT. |
| 20:59.36 | olafski | a job with java will make me hate myself for the rest of my life? |
| 20:59.42 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:59.43 | olafski | I doubt it |
| 20:59.47 | Adys | Google has jobs with Java |
| 20:59.54 | olafski | not like I'll keep that job for the rest of my life |
| 20:59.59 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 21:00.03 | Shirik | but you will keep it in your memory for the rest of yoru life |
| 21:00.05 | Adys | I dont think working java at google will make you hate yourself for the rest of your life |
| 21:00.06 | Shirik | you will be traumatized |
| 21:00.17 | olafski | I don't think I want to work at google |
| 21:00.20 | krka | yay, java haters \o/ |
| 21:00.36 | Adys | krka: I prefer being referred to as a java disliker |
| 21:00.46 | Fisker | hey Shirik ? |
| 21:00.46 | olafski | I've been doing Java on and off for the past 8 years and I don't dislike it at all |
| 21:00.51 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 21:01.07 | Shirik | krka is the king of Java worship |
| 21:01.08 | Adys | olafski: if thats any consolation, I don't think I want you to work at google either |
| 21:01.10 | Shirik | HEY KRKA |
| 21:01.16 | Shirik | I JUST USED PRIVATE INHERITANCE, AND LIKED IT |
| 21:01.20 | olafski | as usual I don't really care adys ;) |
| 21:01.41 | Adys | should I care enough to care about that very line? |
| 21:01.56 | olafski | you cared enough to comment.. oh such an old argument |
| 21:02.27 | Adys | I didn't comment, I questioned the will behind it |
| 21:02.44 | olafski | whatever you say |
| 21:02.48 | krka | java is far from perfect, but it seems that most peoples arguments against java is in really perverse and badly designed solution |
| 21:02.49 | olafski | go back to fanboying google now :) |
| 21:03.08 | olafski | krka: are you saying java isn't sloooow? huh huh? |
| 21:03.17 | Shirik | When I use Java I REALLY miss private inheritance, really |
| 21:03.17 | olafski | I mean that's why it sucks rite |
| 21:03.25 | Shirik | I mean you can get away without it |
| 21:03.28 | Shirik | but it's so much cleaner with |
| 21:03.32 | olafski | shirik: could you explain why it is so great? I didn't really see the advantage +( |
| 21:03.35 | krka | Shirik: we prefer composition over inheritance :) |
| 21:03.41 | olafski | maybe I'll just.. yahoo it |
| 21:03.42 | Shirik | Private inheritance IS composition |
| 21:04.06 | krka | not really |
| 21:04.06 | Shirik | It's composition with a twist |
| 21:04.12 | krka | the thing you composite with is hardcoded |
| 21:04.19 | Shirik | Imagine this use cacse |
| 21:04.24 | krka | if you use inheritance. |
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| 21:04.41 | krka | if you instead inject a delegate, it's more customizable :) |
| 21:04.42 | Shirik | You need to have composition, but you need proxy functions to get to whatever you're compositing |
| 21:04.53 | Shirik | you can recreate those functions, or you can use private inheritance |
| 21:05.04 | Shirik | Java chooses the former, C++ choses the latter |
| 21:05.14 | Shirik | and the latter has both code size and performance benefits |
| 21:05.31 | Adys | if you got the choice, always stick to c++ |
| 21:05.43 | Adys | but shirik |
| 21:05.54 | Adys | Id like to hear why you think c# is better than java :p |
| 21:05.57 | Shirik | brb need put food in microwave |
| 21:06.02 | Shirik | I will explain though |
| 21:07.18 | haste | (he's googling!) |
| 21:07.51 | krka | no doubt |
| 21:07.57 | Shirik | ok back, and wtf |
| 21:08.09 | haste | :D |
| 21:08.29 | Shirik | Ok so I'll start listing my problems with Java and how C# addresses them |
| 21:08.30 | haste | I completely forgot what I was going to do tho' |
| 21:08.48 | Shirik | 1) Generics. Java's generics are a hack. C# offers true templates and even allows some really neat capabilities beyond that of C++ in them. |
| 21:09.06 | Shirik | 2) Power. Java assumes you're stupid. C# allows you to do some potentially dangerous things if you really want to, like messing with memory directly. |
| 21:09.17 | krka | agree on #1, javas generics are crap :/ |
| 21:09.34 | krka | #2 - java is correct in its assumption :) |
| 21:09.38 | Shirik | rofl |
| 21:09.57 | Adys | "Must be something with you, my java noticed I was pretty smart" |
| 21:10.28 | olafski | in other news I regret to say that I'll be using my first bitshift operation in java tomorrow =( |
| 21:10.40 | Shirik | 3) I know krka disagrees with this, but in my opinion Java is also too self-contradictiong. |
| 21:10.41 | krka | nothing wrong with that |
| 21:11.02 | Shirik | They violate their own contracts in their interfaces, they don't allow operator overloading except when they want it |
| 21:11.06 | krka | i may or may not disagree with that, depending on context |
| 21:11.27 | Shirik | 4) Java has no real concept of constants |
| 21:11.55 | krka | violate their own contracts? are you talking about stuff in the standard library? |
| 21:11.59 | Shirik | yup |
| 21:12.06 | Shirik | haven't I shown you this before? |
| 21:12.08 | krka | i haven't ever missed operator overloading tbh |
| 21:12.13 | krka | maybe |
| 21:12.27 | Adys | See why cant you do lists like this for python as well |
| 21:12.39 | Adys | every time i ask you it's "__________LOL_PYTHON_SUCKS__________" |
| 21:12.57 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.02 | Adys | fu haste. |
| 21:13.04 | haste | :D |
| 21:13.08 | krka | what is a real concept of constant? |
| 21:13.20 | Shirik | like if I have a class Foo |
| 21:13.22 | Shirik | and I make a const Foo |
| 21:13.27 | Shirik | I want it to be constant! It doesn't change! |
| 21:13.43 | Shirik | not "final" where I can do whatever I want with it, but the reference to it is constant |
| 21:13.44 | krka | 1) make sure Foo is an immutable class |
| 21:13.52 | krka | 2) declare the variable with final |
| 21:13.56 | Shirik | again, Java's solution seems to be "add more code" |
| 21:14.13 | Shirik | whereas C++'s soltuion is "use const" |
| 21:14.37 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 21:14.41 | Shirik | Java doesn't respect volatility either |
| 21:14.50 | krka | C++'s const disables all method calls that modify its fields? |
| 21:15.11 | Shirik | It disables all method calls that are not declared const |
| 21:15.18 | krka | i see |
| 21:15.21 | Shirik | and if a method is declared const, it gets a const 'this' pointer |
| 21:15.26 | krka | and a method can only be const if it doesn't write any fields? |
| 21:15.29 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: do a comparison of C# and Vala next |
| 21:15.41 | Shirik | krka: You have to declare it const.. like... |
| 21:16.29 | Shirik | krka: http://wowi.pastey.net/134421 |
| 21:16.40 | Shirik | oh and the line above that too |
| 21:17.22 | krka | right |
| 21:17.24 | krka | that's neat |
| 21:19.45 | Shirik | of course |
| 21:19.59 | Shirik | when you encounter someone that's bad at C++ and doesn't correctly go around declaring methods const, etc. |
| 21:20.08 | Shirik | then you either cry or beat them over the head |
| 21:20.17 | Shirik | fortunately where I work, the latter is an acceptable option |
| 21:20.58 | frontendloader | lets talk about the similarities between malbolge and perl |
| 21:21.10 | Arrowmaster | you guys keep a whiffle bat in the office? |
| 21:22.14 | Shirik | I probably could get that arranged |
| 21:24.59 | Arrowmaster | why the hell do i have an mplayer process running at nice +10 |
| 21:25.08 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:25.46 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: it's a very nice process |
| 21:26.08 | Arrowmaster | no it wasnt, it was using up an entire core |
| 21:28.03 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Then nothing else needed it :P |
| 21:28.45 | Arrowmaster | no it didnt, i should have checked what my clock rate was at before killing it, i suspect it had all my core running at 2.66Ghz |
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| 21:37.03 | Cide | hi |
| 21:45.06 | Adys | cide :D |
| 21:45.17 | Cide | nobody says hi to me :( |
| 21:45.25 | Adys | i said hi! |
| 21:45.52 | Cide | nope |
| 21:45.55 | Cide | you said "cide :D" |
| 21:45.55 | Adys | well |
| 21:45.57 | Adys | i implied it |
| 21:46.00 | Cide | after like 10 minutes |
| 21:46.20 | Adys | i was busy fapping over pictures of you |
| 21:46.43 | Cide | you don't have a picture of me |
| 21:46.52 | Adys | so you think |
| 21:46.59 | Cide | so you think |
| 21:47.03 | Adys | so you think |
| 21:47.22 | zenzelezz | therefore you are |
| 21:47.54 | Shirik | ffuuuuuuuu TCP |
| 21:48.01 | Shirik | (17:47:21) (@Shirik) ~ping |
| 21:48.01 | Shirik | (17:47:21) * Disconnected |
| 21:48.15 | Shirik | it INTENTIONALLY waited for me |
| 21:48.17 | Shirik | kept me hoping |
| 21:48.19 | zenzelezz | don't blame TCP |
| 21:48.23 | Shirik | and then it was all like "lolowned" |
| 21:49.05 | Cide | you fail |
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| 21:49.50 | Kraps | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.0.1 what ads do you see? |
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| 21:50.13 | Adys | too many |
| 21:50.40 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_son_of_bitch |
| 21:51.21 | Kraps | Shirik: ty |
| 21:51.32 | Shirik | for? |
| 21:51.33 | industrial | hmm, does anyone know of an addon that shows the hunter shot swing? (hopefully including the dont-walk period) |
| 21:52.20 | Bruners | industrial: p3lim got one for oUF on github |
| 21:52.20 | Shirik | Kraps: ty for what :( |
| 21:52.36 | Kraps | the link |
| 21:52.44 | Shirik | is confused |
| 21:52.45 | Adys | np |
| 21:54.09 | industrial | Bruners: I don't use oUF, though |
| 21:54.19 | industrial | also, HI BRUNERS :D |
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| 22:02.58 | Cide | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfamTmY5REw |
| 22:03.18 | EthanCentaurai | industrial: http://www.wowace.com/addons/project-14341/ ? |
| 22:03.32 | EthanCentaurai | or Quartz perhaps |
| 22:04.57 | olafski | just did a zul farrak run with a healer who didn't want to use decursive because it looked ugly in his UI |
| 22:05.07 | olafski | so he let me be a frog for 10 seconds while all the mobs started bashing on the mage :P |
| 22:05.24 | EthanCentaurai | lol |
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| 22:16.07 | Shirik | WOAH |
| 22:16.10 | Shirik | svn is now part of Apache? |
| 22:19.48 | Fisker | whoa Shirik |
| 22:20.18 | Shirik | woah Fisker |
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| 22:20.33 | Fisker | whoa Shirik |
| 22:20.39 | Shirik | woah Fisker |
| 22:22.02 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 22:22.05 | Cide | wanna play? |
| 22:22.21 | Shirik | I need to figure out why the hell svn won't do this merge for me first |
| 22:23.35 | Fisker | whoa Shirik |
| 22:25.10 | batrick | wait wut? |
| 22:26.07 | Fisker | are you expanding your operations Shirik ? |
| 22:26.15 | Shirik | ? |
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| 22:26.29 | Fisker | whoa Shirik |
| 22:33.40 | Cide | fail troll is fai |
| 22:35.10 | Fisker | whoa Cide |
| 22:37.14 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: no surprise, its commonly known that Apache's refusal to even consider the possibility of using something other than SVN was purely political based because many of the board members were also board members for svn |
| 22:37.38 | Shirik | I just did a manual merge |
| 22:37.41 | Shirik | most painful process ever |
| 22:40.15 | Fisker | that's what she said |
| 22:40.24 | Cide | that made no sense |
| 22:40.38 | Fisker | it didn't have to |
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| 22:44.54 | Shirik | ha |
| 22:45.00 | Shirik | my client didn't even detect the netsplit ending |
| 22:45.03 | Shirik | it was all like |
| 22:45.06 | Shirik | (18:41:01)  -⺠Netsplit (*.net â¹-⺠*.split) 1 quits: kd3 |
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| 22:46.25 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o eir] by ChanServ |
| 22:46.26 | Arrowmaster | i dont think the split ended |
| 22:46.27 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-bo Adys!*@* eir] by eir |
| 22:46.45 | Shirik | rofl how did Adys get banned |
| 22:46.59 | Shirik | Shadowed you are so bad |
| 22:47.07 | Shadowed | what did I do |
| 22:47.10 | Shirik | banned Adys |
| 22:47.20 | Shadowed | I'm pretty sure I reverted that |
| 22:47.27 | Adys | whut |
| 22:47.29 | Adys | i wasnt banned |
| 22:47.40 | Shirik | eir seems to think otherwise |
| 22:47.41 | Shadowed | I am being falsely accused here |
| 22:47.42 | Shadowed | I am insulted |
| 22:47.52 | Shirik | -⺠(eir:#wowuidev-ops) (REM) ban[18107] Adys!*@* was set on #wowuidev by Shadowed!~outlaw@c-98-207-200-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net on 2010-03-20 22:42:57 and had an expiry date of 2010-03-21 22:42:57. It was removed by eir!~eir@freenode/utility-bot/eir on Sun Mar 21 22:46:27 2010 |
| 22:48.08 | Adys | uh yeah that was removed ages ago |
| 22:48.33 | Arrowmaster | probably just a desync |
| 22:48.44 | Adys | who's eir anyway? |
| 22:48.59 | Cide | bah, Arrowmaster beat me |
| 22:49.56 | Shirik | eir is freenode/utility-bot/eir |
| 22:49.58 | Arrowmaster | by like 9 days |
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| 22:50.44 | Cide | weak |
| 22:50.48 | Shirik | ohi Cide |
| 22:50.53 | Cide | hi :( |
| 22:51.16 | Cide | I'm so ignored |
| 22:51.24 | Shirik | I"M TRYING TO DO THIS DAMN MERGE |
| 22:51.40 | Arrowmaster | STOP USING SHITTY SOFTWARE |
| 22:51.47 | Cide | I thought we were using tfs? |
| 22:51.53 | Shirik | this is a different project |
| 22:51.55 | Cide | oh snap |
| 22:51.56 | Shirik | work stuffs |
| 22:52.01 | Cide | I am pulling your leg |
| 22:52.08 | Cide | because I am bored |
| 22:52.10 | Shirik | ========== Rebuild All: 5 succeeded, 5 failed, 0 skipped ========== |
| 22:52.13 | Shirik | qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq |
| 22:52.13 | Cide | and afk to get something to eat |
| 22:52.23 | Cide | fail build is fail |
| 22:52.55 | ccox | http://www.collegehumor.com/article:1802286 |
| 22:54.10 | tem | hmm |
| 22:54.28 | tem | I put in an app with a guild on thursday and have not heard back |
| 22:54.48 | tem | should I try to contact them or wait a couple more days? |
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| 22:55.26 | Cide | funny |
| 22:55.38 | Cide | in most other circles you'd expect s/guild/girl/ |
| 22:55.41 | tem | if they don't want me, fine, but I wish they'd tell me so I could keep looking |
| 22:55.49 | Cide | I expect the advice is similar, however |
| 22:56.05 | tem | to me the more apt analogy is applying for a job |
| 22:57.12 | tem | ideally I'd like to be in a new guild before tuesday reset |
| 22:57.24 | tem | so I'm running up against the wall here if I have to app somewhere else |
| 23:00.52 | Shirik | This is going to be the best mail ever sent |
| 23:00.59 | Shirik | and it's going to be sent to the entire mailing list |
| 23:01.01 | Shirik | this should be epic |
| 23:01.02 | Corrodias | thursday... it's sunday, i wouldn't think they'd get their panties in a knot if you asked an officer if they've reviewed it yet |
| 23:01.09 | WobWork | man, reading all that as s/guild/girl/ makes the message come out entirely different =P |
| 23:01.20 | Corrodias | and if they do, shit, they're way to tight-strung for me to want to play with them |
| 23:01.37 | WobWork | (9:57:12 AM) tem: ideally I'd like to be in a new girl before tuesday reset |
| 23:01.43 | tem | Corrodias, that sounds reasonable enough |
| 23:01.50 | Dagmar | totally |
| 23:01.56 | Dagmar | Sunday's a good night for bar crawling |
| 23:01.56 | tem | WobWork, wishful thinking :( |
| 23:02.12 | WobWork | well, you did say 'ideally' =) |
| 23:02.20 | tem | heh |
| 23:02.56 | Adys | Cide: need feedback |
| 23:02.59 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/1096/venture-co-geologist/#tab=creatureleveldata_creature |
| 23:03.06 | Adys | if you see more than 2 columns, ctrl-refresh |
| 23:03.18 | Adys | I dunno how to properly show this so it doesnt look too ugly |
| 23:03.20 | Fisker | Â |
| 23:03.32 | Cide | I see 6 columns |
| 23:03.38 | Adys | then ctrl-refresh |
| 23:03.41 | Cide | and you really need to round your %'s |
| 23:03.45 | tem | Adys, I don't like that mousewheel changes tabs |
| 23:03.48 | Adys | i do, ctrl-refresh |
| 23:03.56 | Cide | still 6l |
| 23:03.58 | Cide | still 6 |
| 23:04.02 | Adys | browser? |
| 23:04.09 | Cide | chrome |
| 23:04.09 | p3lim | Someone talked to me? |
| 23:04.16 | Adys | oh |
| 23:04.17 | Adys | i see the issue |
| 23:04.19 | Adys | will fix in a sec |
| 23:04.21 | Cide | casts has 1 column and level data 2, however |
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| 23:04.24 | tem | probably just declaring how much they hate you, p3lim. |
| 23:04.35 | p3lim | neat |
| 23:04.41 | Adys | Cidan: yeah I meant about leveldata |
| 23:04.55 | Cide | I know |
| 23:04.58 | Cide | I was trolling |
| 23:05.03 | WobWork | Adys: You could always have graphical bars. Sure there'd be no difference between entries, but people'd see the coloured bars with numbers on them |
| 23:05.04 | Cide | looks good however |
| 23:05.18 | Adys | hmm WobWork |
| 23:05.36 | Adys | i could yeah |
| 23:05.50 | Adys | i need to think about this more; though, do you think the table here is a good place for it? |
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| 23:06.10 | WobWork | possibly not, but I can't think of any way offhand to display multiple levels of it |
| 23:06.13 | Adys | or have it in a corner or something? or even pull up a fakeup/new view for it? |
| 23:06.52 | WobWork | can you get other stats? |
| 23:07.11 | Adys | not in most cases no |
| 23:07.24 | Adys | if a hunter tames shit, I can get some more stats but thatd be the only case |
| 23:07.26 | WobWork | was going to suggest a mockup charactersheet tooltip |
| 23:07.41 | tem | Adys, I'd put level range and health/power ranges in the little info box at the top right |
| 23:07.59 | Adys | tem: say I need to display data for 4 different levels, how would you do it? |
| 23:08.04 | tem | and mousing over the ranges could give more specifics about stats at particularl levels |
| 23:08.13 | Adys | hm |
| 23:08.17 | tem | Level range: 35-49 |
| 23:08.29 | tem | Level range: 35-39 |
| 23:08.40 | tem | Health: 1075-1292 |
| 23:08.45 | WobWork | yeah |
| 23:08.58 | tem | the table at the bottom is awkward for that info imo |
| 23:09.11 | tem | Also, I'd have the Drops tab as the first one |
| 23:09.24 | tem | since it seems the thing people care about the most |
| 23:09.33 | tem | s/seems/seems to be/ |
| 23:10.03 | Adys | yah Ill do that soonish |
| 23:10.11 | Cide | also Adys |
| 23:10.16 | Cide | your desc/asc arrow is upside down |
| 23:10.25 | Cide | it indicates ascending but sorts descending and vice versa |
| 23:10.26 | Adys | really |
| 23:10.40 | Cide | /\ = ascending |
| 23:10.47 | Cide | \/ = descending |
| 23:10.56 | Adys | yeah |
| 23:10.58 | Adys | doesnt it do that? |
| 23:10.58 | Cide | you have it the other way around |
| 23:12.04 | Cide | done soon Shirik? :P |
| 23:12.09 | Shirik | no |
| 23:12.13 | Shirik | I've exploded bamboo apparently |
| 23:12.21 | Shirik | fuck java btw |
| 23:12.30 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:12.31 | Adys | oh yea |
| 23:12.33 | Shirik | it's the damn firewall |
| 23:12.57 | Fisker | if Shirik was my mother Cide would be my sister |
| 23:13.14 | Cide | nope |
| 23:14.38 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 23:15.01 | Shirik | brb |
| 23:15.21 | Shirik | ok somethingis really messed up with my server's firewall |
| 23:15.25 | Shirik | it's violating its own configuration |
| 23:15.34 | Lopeppeppy | That's... impressive. |
| 23:15.36 | Shirik | BUT it's using the configuration I expect it to be using |
| 23:15.45 | Shirik | but when I ask it to tell me the configuration, it tells me something completely different |
| 23:15.46 | Dagmar | Ehwot? |
| 23:15.55 | Dagmar | It's violating itself? |
| 23:16.02 | Shirik | iptables is configured exactly the way I want it |
| 23:16.06 | Shirik | if it wasn't, I wouldn't be able to connect |
| 23:16.07 | Shirik | BUT |
| 23:16.15 | Shirik | when I tell it to dump the configuration, it spits out a bunch of crap |
| 23:16.50 | Dagmar | You're flushing and clearing all custom chains when your script starts setting netfilter rules, right? |
| 23:17.05 | Shirik | huh? |
| 23:17.09 | Shirik | Speak stupid for me please |
| 23:17.10 | Dagmar | ...or was this generated by Redhat's "We Love HashCrap Chain Names" |
| 23:17.18 | Shirik | no it's manual + fail2ban |
| 23:17.37 | Dagmar | fail2ban might be adding some stuff |
| 23:17.46 | Shirik | well yeah, it has a bunch of -A fail2ban-HTTP -s 66.7.205.103/32 -j DROP |
| 23:17.48 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy Dagmar Shirik |
| 23:17.48 | Shirik | but I expect that |
| 23:17.55 | Fisker | <_< |
| 23:17.56 | Dagmar | So what's the bit that's throwing you |
| 23:18.01 | Shirik | where the hell all MY rules went |
| 23:18.07 | Shirik | like "open port whatever" |
| 23:19.10 | Dagmar | Maybe they're scrolling off the top of your screen |
| 23:19.16 | Shirik | nope :/ |
| 23:19.26 | Dagmar | either they show up in iptables -n -L or yer machine is broke/compromised |
| 23:19.42 | Dagmar | ...or some typo crept into your script and a bunch of rules aren't getting set anymore |
| 23:20.07 | Shirik | I'm so confused |
| 23:21.09 | Fisker | i'm a force of nature |
| 23:21.25 | sylvanaar | *cough* bot |
| 23:22.55 | Dagmar | Shirik: I'm just gonna suggest grepping the output of iptables -L because the damn thing is prone to eye-blindness from all the other crap it spools out |
| 23:23.01 | Shirik | and..... now they randomly appeared |
| 23:23.05 | Shirik | what? |
| 23:23.18 | sylvanaar | is this your home machine or something |
| 23:23.20 | Shirik | Can I not run iptables-save while the firewall is down? |
| 23:23.40 | Dagmar | uh... iptables-save, last I checked, dumps the _curently active_ set of rules |
| 23:23.51 | Dagmar | If your firewall is "down" then there are no rules to dump |
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| 23:23.59 | Shirik | well that explains a lot ._. |
| 23:24.02 | Dagmar | Yep. :) |
| 23:24.14 | Dagmar | Glad it was something simple and not some goddamn 0day |
| 23:24.41 | Dagmar | That right there is part of why I use a heavily commented, very regimented _script_ to set all my firewall rules, and I only edit the script |
| 23:25.24 | Dagmar | er wait, regimented is entirely the wrong word there. Prolly time for lunch |
| 23:25.37 | Dagmar | s/regimented/formalized/; |
| 23:25.37 | batrick | time for nap you mean |
| 23:25.54 | Dagmar | Nah, I'm more prone to blood sugar issues than I am exhaustion (most of the time anyway) |
| 23:26.01 | Dagmar | ...an I'm at work. Naps are somewhat forbidden. ;) |
| 23:26.10 | sylvanaar | they are related |
| 23:26.21 | batrick | alarm clock in car + lunch break = nap time |
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| 23:26.56 | Dagmar | Well, its 6:26pm and today I have eaten... one stick of string cheese, one thin strip of beef jerky, two pop tarts. |
| 23:27.20 | Dagmar | Preservatives are my friends. |
| 23:27.28 | batrick | pop tarts are evil |
| 23:28.08 | Dagmar | Nah... They convert fruit vitamins into a form-factor that's both portable, and resistant to spoilage |
| 23:28.25 | sylvanaar | they have fruit in them? |
| 23:28.36 | Dagmar | The fruity ones do |
| 23:28.38 | Fisker | i'm a very sick person sylvanaar |
| 23:28.43 | sylvanaar | i thought it was vasaline and flavoring |
| 23:29.09 | sylvanaar | Fisker: i see |
| 23:29.15 | Dagmar | They're not made with vegemite. |
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| 23:29.53 | sylvanaar | i dont like having to take the crusts off the sides |
| 23:29.59 | Adys | http://revcanonical.appspot.com/ |
| 23:30.21 | sylvanaar | then trying to surgically attach 2 frosted sections to each other |
| 23:30.23 | WobWork | if you think vegemite is vasaline and flavouring, you've never actually eaten vegemite =P |
| 23:30.43 | WobWork | cause Vegemite is anything but wishywashy in flavour =P |
| 23:31.12 | sylvanaar | It explodes with flavor |
| 23:31.21 | WobWork | like a brick to the face |
| 23:31.29 | Dagmar | I also hear it solves the problem of what to do with all that roadkill. |
| 23:32.09 | sylvanaar | what was it they had a lot of, rabbits? |
| 23:32.14 | WobWork | well, with a good percentage of our wildlife being poisonous/venomous, you're taking a good chance on your life eating roadkill =) |
| 23:32.29 | Dagmar | sylvanaar: Frogs. |
| 23:32.36 | WobWork | oh god, Cane Toads |
| 23:32.42 | Dagmar | You're welcome! |
| 23:32.54 | WobWork | You're responsible for Cane Toads? |
| 23:33.10 | Dagmar | In the sense that I'm a US citizen and people blame us for bringing them over there... |
| 23:33.31 | WobWork | Oh. Nah, we blame not understanding how ecology actually works =P |
| 23:33.38 | Dagmar | If you want to get even, see if you can infect the US with jerboa |
| 23:33.49 | Dagmar | We'd really like some of those |
| 23:33.51 | WobWork | but jerboa are cuter than cane toads |
| 23:34.37 | Dagmar | The local board of game and wildlife does not share my views on the subject of seeding the environment with new species based on their relative cuteness |
| 23:34.47 | WobWork | This is disappointing |
| 23:35.02 | Dagmar | Otherwise the area around my condo would be more properly infested with ferrets, jerboa, and parakeets |
| 23:35.05 | Lopeppeppy | Can cane toads eat jerboa? |
| 23:35.22 | Lopeppeppy | I recall they are mean nasty things, would eat anything smaller than a basketball. |
| 23:35.23 | Dagmar | ...oh and red pandas. |
| 23:36.31 | Dagmar | Of the lot, parakeets might have a bit of trouble here in the winter, and it might be slightly dampish for the jerboa |
| 23:36.32 | WobWork | Well, they eat anything they can swallow |
| 23:36.48 | WobWork | but they're more dangerous from their proliferation |
| 23:36.52 | WobWork | and poison |
| 23:36.54 | Dagmar | Wobwork: you'd think with all the poisonous fauna there that sort of mindset would have solved the toad problem |
| 23:40.25 | tem | yay |
| 23:40.35 | tem | I got in touch with the officers |
| 23:40.36 | WobWork | Other modern applications of the cane toad include pregnancy testing,[91] as pets,[92] laboratory research,[93] and the production of leather goods. Pregnancy testing was conducted in the mid-20th century by injecting urine from a woman into a male toad's lymph sacs, and if spermatozoa appeared in the toad's urine, the patient was deemed to be pregnant |
| 23:40.47 | tem | I haven't heard back because the GM hasn't looked at the app |
| 23:40.49 | WobWork | ... wikipedia, you never fail to amaze me |
| 23:41.57 | eidolarr | is anyone here familiar enough with metalica to point out the essential albums? |
| 23:42.07 | sylvanaar | im thinking about joining one of those multi-game guilds |
| 23:42.22 | WobWork | eidolarr: just pirate them all =P |
| 23:42.34 | WobWork | sylvanaar: you're over 25? |
| 23:42.48 | sylvanaar | yes why? |
| 23:42.50 | eidolarr | well naturally i will pirate but i wanted to start with a good one to see if it's worth getting ti all |
| 23:42.55 | WobWork | come join TheOlderGamers =) |
| 23:42.58 | Dagmar | Pastor of Muppets |
| 23:43.08 | sylvanaar | ok |
| 23:43.18 | WobWork | we cover a fairly wide range of games |
| 23:43.21 | eidolarr | is master of puppets a serious recommendation? |
| 23:43.53 | WobWork | (http://www.theoldergamers.com) |
| 23:45.19 | Shirik | cide |
| 23:45.24 | Dagmar | Not really. Any serious recommendation about that from me would be "Don't fucking give Lars your money" |
| 23:45.24 | Shirik | this thing is blowing up in my face |
| 23:45.26 | Shirik | what did you do to it |
| 23:46.03 | sylvanaar | WobWork: whats your member id on there |
| 23:46.07 | Dagmar | Master of Puppets I hear is one of their better ones tho |
| 23:47.02 | WobWork | hm |
| 23:47.04 | batrick | */win 1 |
| 23:47.21 | WobWork | lemme check |
| 23:47.35 | WobWork | "And I realize I am old and thinking far too practically about this, but what do Edward and Bella talk about on the drive to school every morning? (I noted also that Bella is now unable to operate her own motor vehicle when a boy is around. Perhaps she is too overcome with love to stay in her lane.)Â " |
| 23:49.14 | WobWork | sylvanaar: 13914 I suspect |
| 23:49.46 | sylvanaar | thats your name? |
| 23:49.57 | WobWork | Wobin is |
| 23:50.39 | Fisker | WobWork |
| 23:51.19 | sylvanaar | lol, ok - well it was just the referal field, and i put 13914 in it |
| 23:51.41 | Shirik | ok pop quiz |
| 23:51.46 | Shirik | Two servers, one windows, one Linux |
| 23:51.51 | Shirik | this is a good question for Dagmar |
| 23:52.00 | WobWork | Reboot the Windows |
| 23:52.00 | Fisker | windows |
| 23:52.01 | kd3 | trying to share between them? |
| 23:52.09 | Shirik | no |
| 23:52.13 | Fisker | you wouldn't kd3 |
| 23:52.13 | Shirik | This is a build server |
| 23:52.32 | Shirik | the linux box is the distribution node, it detects changes and hands them off to the windows server to get built, then the windows server responds like "ok here's the results" |
| 23:52.43 | Shirik | The program I'm using to do this is Atlassian's Bamboo |
| 23:52.46 | sylvanaar | teamcity! |
| 23:52.53 | Shirik | The remote agent connects to the Linux box on port 54663 |
| 23:52.55 | Fisker | I remember initially failing a class because all that samba shit didn't generally support the new domains in 2k3 |
| 23:53.10 | Shirik | If I telnet from the Windows box to the Linux box on port 54663, tcpdump shows communication |
| 23:53.12 | WobWork | Shirik: if you -really- want... I can ask someone at Atlassian =) |
| 23:53.24 | WobWork | I'm in their WoW guild |
| 23:53.25 | Shirik | however, trying to run the actual program, it just goes "connection failed" and the agent dies |
| 23:53.31 | Shirik | WobWork: Like... now? |
| 23:53.38 | Shirik | I mean I can submit a support ticket, I was just trying not to do that |
| 23:53.43 | sylvanaar | they have a wow guild? |
| 23:53.50 | kd3 | who doesn't? |
| 23:53.51 | Shirik | Here's the question: |
| 23:53.55 | WobWork | Shirik: sure... |
| 23:54.03 | Shirik | Why would telnet be able to connect to port 54663, but not the Bamboo agent? |
| 23:54.08 | Shirik | brainstorming session, go |
| 23:54.21 | Fisker | your mother |
| 23:54.31 | kd3 | because whatever the bamboo thing's trying to connect to isn't listening? |
| 23:54.48 | Shirik | well when I telnetted it responded |
| 23:54.50 | WobWork | They'd probably prefer a support ticket, however =) |
| 23:54.55 | Shirik | agree WobWork :P |
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| 23:56.08 | Shirik | I can just file a support ticket |
| 23:56.10 | Shirik | but it's just wierd |
| 23:56.17 | Shirik | how the hell would I be able to connect with telnet but not the program |
| 23:57.00 | Lopeppeppy | It hates you. |
| 23:57.03 | Lopeppeppy | You're wearing the wrong tie. |
