| 00:00.16 | Arrowmaster | the other domain i dont have on google apps that i havent checked in months is probably got a few thousand spam on it right now |
| 00:01.11 | Arrowmaster | but counting all 4 addresses, 99% of email i get is spam, and 99% of the non spam email i get is automated |
| 00:01.53 | Adys | I never played a melee class, wtf is parryhaste? |
| 00:01.56 | Dagmar | Either way, it's time someone drove into China and started shooting people in the face over it |
| 00:02.13 | kd3 | adys; if you get parried (say on a boss), his next attack will hit earlier than usual |
| 00:02.29 | Adys | ah |
| 00:03.04 | Adys | this guy has a 2-line post |
| 00:03.10 | Adys | beginning with "Safe to assume it will be back with Cata." |
| 00:03.16 | Adys | and ending with "Rumor has it that will change in Cata." |
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| 00:03.50 | Adys | I can hear him from here: "Keep pulling, it's almost out of my ass" |
| 00:05.11 | Dagmar | Zero-content trollery |
| 00:07.02 | amro | C&C4 is fail |
| 00:10.05 | Dagmar | That freaking reminds me |
| 00:10.21 | Dagmar | I have got to go _menace_ a spammer on my next off day |
| 00:10.41 | Dagmar | I've told this guy, who is LOCAL, three times now, "Do not email me about your events". |
| 00:10.54 | Dagmar | He was sold my email address by another promoter, who I've summarily told to go to hell. |
| 00:11.23 | Dagmar | Now it's time to go deliver my "request" in person and scare the screaming hell out of his office workers. |
| 00:11.43 | Shadowed | If you get arrested I'm going to laugh at you |
| 00:12.05 | Dagmar | Oh no. I'm going to make sure that they know just how much _money_ they can and will owe me by law. |
| 00:12.24 | Dagmar | I'm being nice about it right now, because there's a lot of morons in Nashville. |
| 00:12.54 | Dagmar | ...but CAN-SPAM allows you to directly collect enough damages to shut down the average sketchy concert promoter in one round if you try hard enough. |
| 00:13.11 | Adys | shadowed |
| 00:13.15 | Adys | you made me dc :( |
| 00:13.18 | Shadowed | good |
| 00:13.28 | amro | do it again |
| 00:13.51 | Dagmar | Shadowed: Of course, if they're terrified about hte fact that I wear a lot of leather and chrome, that's their problem, not mine. |
| 00:14.03 | Kraps | dps queues are pretty short |
| 00:14.17 | Adys | you wear chrome? |
| 00:14.19 | Adys | can we fuck? |
| 00:15.13 | Dagmar | Adys: I'm sorry if you fail to ever scare anyone, but I have to pay attention or I get mall cops and crap following me around |
| 00:15.36 | Adys | its not that, it's just that chrome makes me uncontrollably horny |
| 00:15.40 | Adys | you'd know by now |
| 00:15.54 | Dagmar | People who watch too much damn television sometimes get the wrong idea about people who wear a bunch of leather and metal |
| 00:16.34 | amro | yeah, with tv portraying them as normal people |
| 00:16.42 | amro | we all know they're devil worshippers |
| 00:16.45 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 00:16.55 | Dagmar | <-- lives in the bible belt, no less |
| 00:17.18 | Adys | amro: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/stargate/images/7/76/WraithVegas.jpg |
| 00:17.18 | Cide | ready Shirik? |
| 00:17.25 | Dagmar | Adys: They should be afraid of the fact that the next time I put a shadow on their door it'll be the summons to court to pay me $48,000 |
| 00:17.29 | amro | I know |
| 00:17.38 | Adys | I know you know |
| 00:17.41 | Shirik | you have such horrible timing |
| 00:17.46 | Shirik | I guess.... |
| 00:17.47 | Cide | no :( |
| 00:17.47 | amro | you know I know you know I know |
| 00:17.47 | Adys | it still makes it so fucking awesome |
| 00:17.55 | Cide | why's that horrible timing? |
| 00:18.01 | Adys | that doesnt make it any less awesome |
| 00:18.22 | amro | I would have picked a better frame |
| 00:18.25 | Shirik | because you asked right as the first part of a two-part Voyager episode ended |
| 00:18.57 | Cide | oh |
| 00:19.03 | Cide | well finish it if you want |
| 00:19.06 | Cide | I can only play ~1h so |
| 00:19.07 | Shirik | no it's ok |
| 00:19.12 | Shirik | oh :< |
| 00:19.22 | Cide | less |
| 00:19.27 | Cide | so we can play tomorrow |
| 00:19.41 | Shirik | ok |
| 00:19.49 | WobWork | Dagmar: We've recently had some terrible interactions between biker gangs over here |
| 00:20.20 | WobWork | and between that and the media, anyone in leather and near a bike gets close watching |
| 00:20.31 | Dagmar | I can believe it |
| 00:20.46 | Adys | amro: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/vegas.png |
| 00:20.48 | Adys | like this? |
| 00:21.24 | amro | yeah not loading |
| 00:21.31 | amro | but at a guess, I'd say no |
| 00:21.34 | Adys | the whole scene would require me to use an animated gif to show how awesome it is, but I have a feeling that would ruin it |
| 00:21.41 | amro | unless it's from the poker table |
| 00:21.49 | Adys | no, its in his hotel room |
| 00:22.06 | amro | what were you doing in his hotel room? |
| 00:22.08 | Dagmar | Reading minds while playing poker is _cheating_ |
| 00:22.16 | Adys | nah |
| 00:22.19 | Dagmar | They'll bury you in the desert for that |
| 00:22.26 | amro | and sucking someone's life out of their chest is murder |
| 00:22.35 | Adys | what if you dont kill it |
| 00:22.38 | amro | I don't think cheating is his biggest proble |
| 00:22.39 | Dagmar | This is why hte burying instead of the banning |
| 00:23.59 | Adys | amro: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/vegas2.png |
| 00:24.10 | amro | you know, it's still not loading |
| 00:24.18 | Adys | Im still not caring |
| 00:24.20 | Dagmar | Weird. They all work for me. |
| 00:24.27 | Adys | yes, isnt it weird |
| 00:24.58 | amro | that's because you're actually connected to the internet Dagmar |
| 00:25.01 | amro | I'm not |
| 00:25.09 | Adys | how are the pidgeons |
| 00:25.17 | amro | quite tired |
| 00:25.19 | Dagmar | You are using IRC over trained flea bucket brigade? |
| 00:26.00 | amro | a pigeon fleet combined with morse over ethernet |
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| 00:28.00 | Adys | amro: onmorseover? |
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| 00:28.22 | Bibi | Adys |
| 00:28.25 | Bibi | stop etre offline |
| 00:28.26 | Adys | whatever |
| 00:28.33 | Bibi | amro, stop pas faire ce que Adys oublie de te demander. |
| 00:28.43 | Dagmar | omg such langugae |
| 00:28.49 | Bibi | Dagmar, hug? |
| 00:29.02 | Dagmar | no thanks. |
| 00:29.04 | Cide | oh so THAT's why you chose Adys |
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| 00:29.48 | foxlit | # Your friend, Mervin, thought that you would be interested in Gift |
| 00:29.49 | foxlit | Certificate from Beaducation. |
| 00:29.51 | foxlit | No. BURN. |
| 00:30.13 | Cide | but Mervin wants you to have it :( |
| 00:30.22 | foxlit | Mervin does not exist |
| 00:30.31 | Dagmar | foxlit: Looks like it's time to get a haircut, man. Someone thinks you're a hippie. |
| 00:30.35 | Adys | "If he's wrong, click here and we will send a humiliatingly annoying email to him as well." |
| 00:30.44 | foxlit | It's the paypal email, though |
| 00:30.48 | foxlit | Curse you, spiders. |
| 00:30.50 | Adys | Bibi: fyi j'suis pas offline |
| 00:31.43 | Dagmar | foxlit: A shame you're in Denmark and they're in California. |
| 00:31.57 | Dagmar | foxlit: Rat them out to their ISP for spamming. |
| 00:34.20 | Adys | Shadowed: Google Chrome 5.0.342.5 has been released to the Dev channel on all platforms. This release has |
| 00:34.20 | Adys | A lot of improvements to the bookmark bar on the Mac. |
| 00:34.41 | Shadowed | heh |
| 00:34.53 | Shadowed | Just got the beta like 4 hours ago :< |
| 00:35.07 | foxlit | Dagmar: "Click the link below to unsubscribe" |
| 00:35.13 | Dagmar | Fuck that |
| 00:35.30 | foxlit | The wonderful thing about that is that it might also just confirm that the email address is valid. |
| 00:35.36 | Dagmar | If they spammed you in the first place, it's because they stupidly listened to some marketing firm that still thinks it's okay to spam people |
| 00:35.52 | Dagmar | ...and they probably sold the bead people your address to begin with. |
| 00:39.24 | Shadowed | yay |
| 00:39.40 | Shadowed | open all bookmarks now, except they messed up spacing |
| 00:41.05 | foxlit | On the other hand, I'm not too attached to that alias. |
| 00:41.24 | foxlit | It's annoying that I can't do anything about exposing it in plain text, but meh. |
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| 00:55.26 | sixen-debug | rawr |
| 00:55.31 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 00:55.42 | sixen-debug | onoez, :( |
| 00:56.51 | foxlit | huggle! |
| 00:57.21 | foxlit | huggles Gryphon |
| 00:57.25 | Gryphon | huggles foxlit |
| 00:57.37 | foxlit | Hm, that's not the right trigger :/ |
| 00:59.55 | Gnarfoz | the emote is the right one |
| 01:00.11 | foxlit | foos Gryphon |
| 01:00.14 | Gryphon | foos foxlit |
| 01:00.41 | foxlit | generic mirror |
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| 01:03.00 | Gnarfoz | oO |
| 01:03.12 | Gnarfoz | 123456 Gryphon |
| 01:03.16 | Gryphon | 123456 Gnarfoz |
| 01:03.19 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 01:06.25 | kd3 | sigh |
| 01:06.41 | kd3 | Interest Paid Year-To-Date: $0.25 |
| 01:07.06 | Gnarfoz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/16/plane-kills-jogger-robert_n_501108.html |
| 01:09.16 | Cidwel | people, I have some static objects in my xml (like text strings) that represent everyone in my raid. The name of the stringtexts are like myaddon_str_raid1 to myaddon_str_raid40, is there a way to define the Text color in a simple loop and not to do once per once? I mean, what's the thing I need to learn to do that? |
| 01:10.18 | Cidwel | I think that this is the small things that are forcing me to learn lua design instead of xml :S |
| 01:10.19 | foxlit | globals table. |
| 01:10.38 | kd3 | for i=1,40 do myaddon_str_raid..i ... |
| 01:11.35 | kd3 | $_G['myaddon_str_raid'..i], rather? |
| 01:11.40 | foxlit | no $ |
| 01:11.46 | kd3 | 's not thinking in lua |
| 01:12.06 | foxlit | Him, Cid-(tab) gets me the wrong person. |
| 01:12.16 | foxlit | Cidwel: is the color always the same? |
| 01:12.31 | Cidwel | :s |
| 01:12.36 | Adys | yeah those Cids need to get better names |
| 01:12.37 | Cidwel | whoops yes |
| 01:12.47 | foxlit | Or does it depend on something, like the unit's class? |
| 01:12.49 | Adys | the two were annoying enough already |
| 01:13.01 | Cidwel | my nick have more than 14 years onld! |
| 01:13.10 | kd3 | we just need someone called 'cid' now from any of the FFs |
| 01:13.13 | Cidwel | or 5, I don't remember |
| 01:13.13 | Adys | good |
| 01:13.18 | foxlit | But you're new to this channel. |
| 01:13.20 | Adys | it's old enough to be thrown away |
| 01:13.22 | foxlit | So we'll just call you Suzie. |
| 01:13.34 | Cidwel | no foxlit, I want to turn them red |
| 01:13.40 | Cidwel | a simpel 1,0,0 |
| 01:13.58 | Cidwel | *ple |
| 01:14.00 | foxlit | So, hm. It's been a while. |
| 01:14.19 | foxlit | Make a template that all your 40 strings will inherit from, and have it apply the color. |
| 01:14.50 | Cidwel | but the ones that want to be red are a selected ones, not all the table |
| 01:15.04 | Cidwel | i want to turn red the ones that in my raid are disconnected |
| 01:15.22 | foxlit | So no templates, then. We're back to what kd3 said |
| 01:15.40 | Cidwel | so I could do what I want simply copypasting 40 times an "if block" |
| 01:15.49 | foxlit | for i=1, 40 do local fsObject = _G['myaddon_str_raid'..i]; fsObject:SetVertexColor(1,0,0); end |
| 01:16.05 | Cidwel | hmmm I'll try! |
| 01:16.31 | kd3 | though that'll color the entire raid red. you'll need to select the IDs if you only want the d/c peoplered |
| 01:16.47 | foxlit | Baby steps :) |
| 01:16.52 | Cidwel | ;_;!!!! |
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| 01:20.12 | Thunder_Child | is it just me or does this seem to be worded badly? "YOU GET ALL OF 2 COURSES WITH YOUR MEMBERSHIP!" |
| 01:20.27 | foxlit | "WE OFFER ONLY TWO COURSES HERE" |
| 01:20.36 | foxlit | "ALSO, WE LIKE TO SHOUT AT YOU. BE PREPARED." |
| 01:20.53 | Thunder_Child | it seems more like we have hundreds, but you get all of 2 |
| 01:21.10 | foxlit | Wording sucks, yes. |
| 01:21.26 | Thunder_Child | ok, glad it's not just me |
| 01:24.35 | foxlit | 5.4m google results for "you get all of 2," though |
| 01:25.10 | foxlit | Hah, awesome |
| 01:25.11 | Adys | 1 google result for "you get all of 3" |
| 01:25.21 | foxlit | First page claims 5.4 million results, second page claims 10 |
| 01:25.29 | foxlit | Way to count, google, way to count. |
| 01:25.39 | Adys | yeah and it only shows 2 pages |
| 01:25.42 | Adys | weird tbh |
| 01:30.29 | Thunder_Child | So i am looking at the 'Major Field of Study', there is no option for mathematics, but there is one for 'Solar Photovoltaic Installation' |
| 01:30.36 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 01:36.25 | Dagmar | "You get all of" meaning rather likely that they let you have the entire course, where formerly they were probably only allowing people access to half the curriculum and saying "If you'd like to pass the final, YOU BETTER PRAY" |
| 01:36.38 | Dagmar | "PAY OR PRAY. No one learns for free." |
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| 01:38.08 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Thanks to unions, thta's actually considered a specialization |
| 01:38.57 | foxlit | Who needs math, anyway? |
| 01:38.59 | foxlit | 2 + 3 = 4! |
| 01:39.16 | foxlit | By which I mean 24. |
| 01:39.34 | Dagmar | People who are trapped in a profzi scheme |
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| 01:47.12 | Cidwel | whooooooooo kd3 thanks :D I have cleaned more than 80 lines in a simple loop o_o |
| 01:47.47 | kd3 | np |
| 01:48.10 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: Specialization != BS |
| 01:49.17 | Dagmar | I somehow don't think that's the title for hte BS, or at least I hope they're not that diploma mill about it |
| 01:50.09 | Thunder_Child | actually i think it is an AA...but still |
| 01:52.58 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: There? |
| 02:01.22 | Adys | Shadowed: how do I bind my local branch to a different remote address? |
| 02:01.27 | Adys | so that i can just do "git push" |
| 02:01.33 | Shadowed | not a clue! |
| 02:01.37 | Adys | FU YOU SUCK |
| 02:01.48 | Adys | wtb bzr push --remember |
| 02:02.09 | Adys | .. wtf is git fsck |
| 02:02.20 | Adys | checks for branch integrity? |
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| 02:11.51 | Shirik | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129132397436211944.jpg |
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| 02:24.00 | DWSR | What's the tank leg enchant? |
| 02:24.50 | Shirik | has enchanting legs |
| 02:25.42 | Seerah | whistles at Shirik |
| 02:25.53 | Shirik | o.o; |
| 02:26.20 | Adys | enchants Seerah's legs |
| 02:28.23 | pompy | DWSR: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38373 |
| 02:29.27 | DWSR | thanks |
| 02:29.36 | DWSR | gropes Shirik |
| 02:35.40 | DWSR | And on another note. |
| 02:35.43 | DWSR | Firefly is win. |
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| 02:42.22 | Heather | Hello. I'm a C++ developer and I'd like to get into addon dev for World of Warcraft. Are there some good resources I should know about? |
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| 02:44.05 | Xyphoid | http://wowprogramming.com/ and the wow wiki have pretty good api references and examples |
| 02:44.18 | Heather | Thank you. |
| 02:44.21 | Xyphoid | there are some threads in the WoW UI mod forum with links too |
| 02:46.22 | Adys | http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html |
| 02:46.25 | Adys | really, really fun read |
| 02:49.40 | Adys | this arouses my ocd with great interest |
| 02:54.39 | A-KO | Heather: Any online LUA resource might be of benefit also for learning syntax and stuff like that. |
| 02:54.59 | Heather | seems to be pretty basic, kinda like psuedocode |
| 02:55.15 | A-KO | it's called scripting ;) |
| 02:55.21 | Xyphoid | it has some subtleties so it's worth reading the language manual |
| 02:55.24 | Xyphoid | it's pretty short |
| 02:56.25 | mascondante | Is there something out there that helps with keeping track of my suppliers and who has what stuff? |
| 02:57.06 | Adys | your suppliers? |
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| 03:15.15 | DWSR | Defense cap is 540, right? |
| 03:16.21 | DWSR | Shadowed: EA is giving me a wierd result. |
| 03:16.48 | Shadowed | It's not very helpful if you just tell me that |
| 03:17.22 | DWSR | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Emerald%20Dream/Arelin <-- Saying I'm under defense cap. |
| 03:17.25 | DWSR | The game is saying I'm not. |
| 03:17.34 | DWSR | (No, I have no buffs). |
| 03:17.55 | DWSR | That equipment is all correct (in terms of what's equipped) |
| 03:17.58 | Shadowed | "the game"? |
| 03:18.01 | DWSR | WoW client* |
| 03:18.16 | digmouse|work | probably "in game" |
| 03:19.22 | DWSR | in game I have 547 defense skill. |
| 03:19.29 | A-KO | okay that's just pro--the cartman version of "poker face" on Rockband 2 DLC |
| 03:24.30 | Shirik | Shadowed: you have lost it |
| 03:25.01 | Heather | I'm confused by Lua's use of square brackets. |
| 03:25.03 | DWSR | ~Shirik++ |
| 03:25.10 | DWSR | Heather: What's to be confused about? |
| 03:25.31 | Heather | I'm used to brackets being used for arrays |
| 03:25.45 | Arrowmaster | ~pil |
| 03:25.46 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
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| 03:26.05 | Shirik | Lua doesn't have arrays, it has tables. However, tables contain an array part (but this is not something to concern yourself with) |
| 03:26.34 | DWSR | Heather: Tables are arrays. |
| 03:26.41 | Shirik | the power in Lua comes from the fact that everything can be treated as a table |
| 03:26.45 | DWSR | They're arrays that are much more powerful than arrays found in other languages. |
| 03:27.11 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: i wouldnt say that |
| 03:27.16 | Adys | !item 192 |
| 03:28.14 | Shirik | batbot: a=nil debug.setmetatable(a, {__index = function() return "lol gtfo"; end}); return lolgtfo[lolgtfo] |
| 03:28.14 | Heather | are all variables in Lua strings or am I misunderstanding how they're initialized? |
| 03:28.21 | Shirik | !lua a=nil debug.setmetatable(a, {__index = function() return "lol gtfo"; end}); return lolgtfo[lolgtfo] |
| 03:28.21 | batbot | Shirik: > lol gtfo |
| 03:28.31 | Shirik | Heather: No |
| 03:28.40 | Shirik | There are many types in Lua |
| 03:28.47 | eidolarr | like 6 |
| 03:28.58 | Shirik | though I often tell people that everything is a table. While this isn't true, it's close enough to the true nature of Lua |
| 03:29.21 | Dagmar | DWSR: That's a bit like claiming a swiss army knife is more knifey than other knives because it has extra bits on it which are not, in fact, actually knives. |
| 03:29.34 | Arrowmaster | everything is a variable |
| 03:29.41 | Shirik | Dagmar: Lies, everything can be used as a knife |
| 03:29.46 | eidolarr | except constants |
| 03:29.47 | eidolarr | :P |
| 03:29.48 | Shirik | just some work better than other |
| 03:29.53 | Arrowmaster | there are no constants in lua |
| 03:29.57 | DWSR | Dagmar: And you find fault with that logic? |
| 03:29.57 | Shirik | eidolarr: There is no such thing as a constant in lua |
| 03:29.59 | Dagmar | Sorry, but my wang is definitely a hammer |
| 03:30.00 | DWSR | eidolarr: No constants in lua |
| 03:30.13 | eidolarr | what is '5' then? |
| 03:30.24 | Dagmar | My thumbnails on the other hand, are pretty handy box openeres |
| 03:30.29 | Arrowmaster | with the quotes or without? |
| 03:30.35 | eidolarr | either |
| 03:30.37 | eidolarr | the literal |
| 03:30.42 | Arrowmaster | with it would be a string |
| 03:30.55 | Arrowmaster | without it would be a number |
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| 03:31.49 | eidolarr | maybe i don't know the programming language theory definition of constant |
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| 03:32.03 | Arrowmaster | you dont |
| 03:32.08 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:32.20 | Shirik | it's ok |
| 03:32.24 | Shirik | neither does Sun |
| 03:32.29 | DWSR | ^^^^^ |
| 03:32.39 | Arrowmaster | i dont get it |
| 03:32.52 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: You can set final variables. |
| 03:32.53 | Arrowmaster | but im guessing thats because i refuse to have anything to do with java |
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| 03:33.11 | DWSR | You can set the value once. You just can't reassign it. |
| 03:33.14 | DWSR | Therefore, it's not a constant. |
| 03:33.25 | Shirik | it also lets you do a million things to it |
| 03:33.29 | Shirik | its state is not constant |
| 03:33.33 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:33.37 | Shirik | C++'s "const" is real constant |
| 03:33.41 | eidolarr | what does the const keyword do? |
| 03:33.48 | Shirik | eidolarr: Throws an error :) |
| 03:33.51 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:33.58 | Shirik | it's like Java's "goto" keyword |
| 03:34.06 | Shirik | which also throws an error |
| 03:34.24 | DWSR | Shirik: Is there something analgous to "toString()" to turn an object into an integer representation? |
| 03:34.32 | Shirik | in? |
| 03:34.35 | DWSR | Java. |
| 03:34.36 | DWSR | What else? |
| 03:34.38 | Shirik | oh to integer |
| 03:34.39 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:34.45 | Shirik | Integer.parseInt() I think is the right name |
| 03:34.51 | Shirik | oh object? |
| 03:34.56 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 03:34.59 | Shirik | How... would you interpret an object? |
| 03:35.05 | DWSR | Because I acn. |
| 03:35.06 | DWSR | can* |
| 03:35.10 | Shirik | um |
| 03:35.12 | DWSR | the object that I'm using has an integer representation |
| 03:35.14 | Shirik | you can use hashCode() I guess |
| 03:35.34 | DWSR | Shirik: I was hoping to make it so that I could just add objects together. |
| 03:35.38 | Shirik | but really what you should do is make an interface for "objects that can be converted into an integer" |
| 03:35.43 | DWSR | like result = obj1 + obj2; |
| 03:35.46 | Shirik | no you can't :) |
| 03:35.54 | Shirik | Sun despises operator overloading |
| 03:35.58 | Shirik | except when they need it |
| 03:36.04 | Shirik | because they're allowed to break their own rules |
| 03:36.24 | Shirik | because apparently operator overloading was actually a good idea but they refuse to admit it |
| 03:36.35 | eidolarr | to be fair i have seen some disgusting operator overloading in the little C++ i've seen |
| 03:36.40 | Shirik | So what |
| 03:36.43 | eidolarr | and what they use is not too distasteful |
| 03:36.51 | Shirik | you don't make a language horrible because you fear other programmers' abuse |
| 03:37.02 | eidolarr | it depends on your goals |
| 03:37.17 | eidolarr | if your goals are stability and safety and portability, maybe you do |
| 03:37.37 | Shirik | Considering the only 3 languages authorized for use by the FAA in safety-critical systems are C, C++, and Ada, I don't really think that's true :) |
| 03:37.59 | DWSR | Shadowed: Have you found the error yet? |
| 03:38.04 | Shadowed | it was already fixed |
| 03:38.13 | Shadowed | just won't be pushed for a bit |
| 03:38.26 | Dagmar | It's what happens when a language really wants to have magic scalars like perl, but can't quite bring themselves to do it |
| 03:39.11 | Shirik | I just can't stand the inconsistencies of Java |
| 03:39.26 | DWSR | I <3 String. |
| 03:39.30 | Kraps | "A few minutes ago, Modk, a Death Knight Juggernaut (US-Mal'ganis) was the first player in the world to complete the questline to rebuild the legendary axe Shadowmourne. Congratulations to one lucky DK, and a very supportive guild!" |
| 03:39.31 | Shirik | "We don't want operator overloading. Oh wait, we need it for our own stuff because it's good. Oh well WE can use it but YOU can't" |
| 03:39.38 | eidolarr | Shirik: can you link me to the safety critical thing? |
| 03:39.47 | Kraps | i was just at a wedding |
| 03:39.52 | Shirik | "Oh we have this interface here. Oh wait, we don't want to follow that contract. Oh well we'll just ignore it." |
| 03:39.58 | Shirik | eidolarr: It's kinda difficult to link you to my brain. |
| 03:40.05 | Shirik | I probably can find it in some obscure FAA document |
| 03:40.10 | Shirik | it would take me some time to find it though |
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| 03:40.37 | DWSR | Shirik: You mean you don't have Google Brain Search yet? |
| 03:40.43 | Shirik | no :( |
| 03:40.45 | Shirik | I was not invited |
| 03:40.49 | eidolarr | it seems like a different meaning of safety |
| 03:41.09 | Shirik | that's a fun topic actually |
| 03:41.24 | Shirik | one of the first questions in my safety-critical class: "What is 'safe'?" |
| 03:41.32 | DWSR | Shirik: Sex is safe. |
| 03:41.38 | DWSR | s/Sex/Safe sex/ |
| 03:41.52 | Shirik | ok time to go to mcdonalds |
| 03:41.54 | Shirik | that is also safe |
| 03:43.59 | Dagmar | hahaha |
| 03:49.20 | Heather | lua's going to be mildly difficult for me to learn, I think |
| 03:49.35 | DWSR | Heather: If you're used to a curly brace language, yeah. |
| 03:49.36 | DWSR | Probably a bit |
| 03:49.57 | Heather | I'm used to c++ on the Nintendo DS |
| 03:50.20 | kdtresh | what's wrong with curly braces? |
| 03:50.25 | DWSR | nothing |
| 03:50.25 | Dagmar | TOO CURLY |
| 03:50.31 | Dagmar | You can't trust braces like tat. |
| 03:50.35 | Dagmar | s/tat/that/; |
| 03:50.38 | kdtresh | it worked for french fries |
| 03:50.49 | kdtresh | and light bulbs, apparently |
| 03:51.01 | Dagmar | I'll stick with straight fries. |
| 03:51.21 | Dagmar | ...although I've no incandescent bulbs anymore. |
| 03:51.43 | Dagmar | Slowly, as each one burned out, I replaced it with a CFL. |
| 03:52.03 | Dagmar | I have replaced one CFL--after a power surge. |
| 03:52.06 | Heather | my local store had a sale on them a year or two ago, 99 cents a bulb |
| 03:52.11 | Heather | so I replaced every light in my house |
| 03:52.45 | Dagmar | That was crazy of them |
| 03:52.51 | Dagmar | Great luck for you tho |
| 03:52.56 | Heather | yep |
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| 03:53.48 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure all mine have paid themselves off in power saved now |
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| 03:54.19 | Heather | generally speaking, lights are not typically what costs you so much on your power bill |
| 03:54.25 | kdtresh | i think costco had 10-packs for under 5 bucks, i picked up a couple and have been slowly replacing the ones that don't need multiple brightnesses or are exposed bulbs |
| 03:54.29 | Heather | it's typically the big appliances, specifically anything with a heating coil |
| 03:54.39 | Dagmar | That depends on whether or not you keep a night schedule and effectively have no windows |
| 03:54.48 | Heather | even then |
| 03:55.11 | Dagmar | Still, the things only cost $2-3 apiece |
| 03:55.35 | Heather | I haven't actually checked what my local cost per kwh is, but last time I did the math was 4 or 5 years ago at 7 cents per kwh... that means I can do 10 100 watt bulbs for an hour for 7 cents |
| 03:56.51 | Heather | ah, now it's 9.2 cents on peak, 6.8 mid peak, 5.1 off-peak |
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| 03:57.50 | Dagmar | That's $25 a month running 12 hours a day |
| 03:58.29 | Dagmar | When you're on a night schedule, unless you enjoy being spun out, you hafta keep your place dark in the day, and well-lit all night long |
| 03:58.30 | Heather | so, let's do the math if you leave 1 bulb on nonstop for an entire month and let's say it's always on peak for a worst case scenario... $6.62 for a 100 watt bulb |
| 03:58.38 | Heather | nothing to sneeze at, sure |
| 03:58.46 | Heather | but that's an absolute worst case scenario |
| 03:59.10 | Corrodias | now, do you run real 100w bulbs, or flourescent ones that take less? |
| 03:59.19 | Dagmar | CFLs now |
| 03:59.50 | Dagmar | Plus there's the bonus non-hassle of not having to climb up on a chair in the dark to replace blown bulbs |
| 04:00.20 | Arrowmaster | fluorescent 100w bulbs are nuts, my dad keeps trying to replace bulbs without checking and putting in the 100w florescent |
| 04:00.48 | Shirik | I really wish they wouldn't call them "fluorescent 100w bulbs" |
| 04:01.06 | Shirik | they are most definitely not 100W |
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| 04:01.14 | Corrodias | i have this wacky indirect lighting setup that could use improvement, but i can't think of how to improve it. i've got lights on the sides of the room facing up, but they still have a little too much direct light. |
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| 04:02.26 | Dagmar | Smoked plexi baffles, maybe some rice paper |
| 04:03.10 | Corrodias | frankly, i could use a little more light in the middle of the room, light that somehow doesn't shine ON the monitors or glare off the tv when i'm trying to play a console game |
| 04:03.34 | Heather | ok, I did the math |
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| 04:04.10 | Dagmar | Corrodias: Ahh... My solution for the front room where the big panel and so on are were two rice paper lamps |
| 04:04.11 | Heather | assuming 90 minute cook time every day, the typical stove costs you about the same amount a month as a single 100 watt bulb left on for an entire month |
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| 04:04.18 | Heather | but the light thing was worst case scenario |
| 04:04.29 | Dagmar | These things are basically just tubes of rough paper about a foot in diameter and four feet tall |
| 04:05.00 | Dagmar | Heather: I think perhaps I might have used the stove 90 minutes since I moved in |
| 04:05.07 | Dagmar | <-- bachelor |
| 04:05.25 | Dagmar | "The oven is where pizzas go!" |
| 04:05.35 | Corrodias | hmm, hmm |
| 04:06.02 | Adys | !item 12345 |
| 04:06.03 | Addybot | Adys: Bijou's Belongings - http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/12345/bijous-belongings/ |
| 04:06.06 | Adys | \o/ |
| 04:06.08 | Adys | direct sql access |
| 04:06.09 | Dagmar | Assuming you avoid the pitfalls that make things mushy, there's nothing like having _two_ microwave ovens as a bachrlor |
| 04:06.10 | Adys | bug it |
| 04:06.38 | Heather | the typical 100 watt-equiv CFL will save you 4/5 the money you'd waste on a 100 watt bulb |
| 04:06.51 | Heather | at least according to my worst case scenario math |
| 04:07.31 | Shirik | math based on what? |
| 04:07.53 | Heather | wattages and my local cost per kwh |
| 04:08.04 | Shirik | what is the wattage of a "100 watt-equiv CFL" |
| 04:08.14 | Duman | like 12-13w |
| 04:08.17 | Heather | typically 25w |
| 04:08.20 | Duman | wha? |
| 04:08.26 | Shirik | {{citation needed}} |
| 04:08.27 | Duman | the ones I had were much lower |
| 04:08.32 | Heather | 60 watt equivs are around 12-13 |
| 04:08.38 | Duman | I thought the 150w ones were 25w |
| 04:08.40 | Duman | hmm |
| 04:08.47 | Heather | my info may be old |
| 04:08.55 | Duman | fair enough, I'm not looking at one right now so I dunno for sure :) |
| 04:08.59 | Shirik | {{subst:prod|Full of [[WP:OR|original research]] and [[WP:V|unverifiable claims]]}} |
| 04:09.17 | Heather | Shirik: google |
| 04:09.18 | Shirik | Kraps, care to {{prod2}}? |
| 04:09.39 | Kraps | prod what? |
| 04:09.44 | Shirik | the above conversation |
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| 04:10.32 | Heather | http://www.amazon.com/71765-Instant-Sunshine-100-Watt-equivalent/dp/B001MKHP14 |
| 04:10.44 | Heather | a modern bulb, 100 watt equiv, uses 26 watts |
| 04:10.45 | Shirik | Addybot fails at logging in |
| 04:10.46 | Heather | there ya go |
| 04:11.02 | Dagmar | By the time most of the CFLs we have now die, it'll be reasonable to replace them with LEDs |
| 04:11.05 | Shirik | I don't even get how they can say "100 W equivalent" |
| 04:11.08 | Adys | Shirik: its an old nick |
| 04:11.13 | Adys | it didnt get registered on new freenode |
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| 04:11.14 | Shirik | it's the biggest piece of marketing crap I've ever seen |
| 04:11.16 | Corrodias | it's not even equivalent |
| 04:11.22 | Heather | they produce as much light as a 100 watt incandescent |
| 04:11.22 | Corrodias | they produce less light. :| |
| 04:11.25 | Dagmar | Shirik: It gives off roughly the same amount of light |
| 04:11.28 | Shirik | That is 100% meaningless |
| 04:11.37 | Corrodias | it's only 80%-90% |
| 04:11.39 | Shirik | I can make a 100W lightbulb that is as bright as a tiny candle |
| 04:11.47 | Shirik | it would be a bad idea, but I could |
| 04:11.52 | Heather | industry standards |
| 04:11.57 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:11.57 | Heather | they exist for a reason |
| 04:11.59 | Corrodias | but it's not meaningless because the light output is expected to coincide with the standard, yes |
| 04:12.25 | Heather | a 100w bulb puts out a standard amount of light |
| 04:12.25 | Shirik | if microsoft made lightbulbs |
| 04:13.05 | Dagmar | They would have a tearaway bit on the end that stays in the socket and ensures you can only replace the bulb part with other Microsoft bulbs |
| 04:13.10 | kdtresh | 100w is the draw, not the output, isn't it? |
| 04:13.25 | Corrodias | it's... the "power" i think? |
| 04:13.27 | kdtresh | it's got an expected candle output |
| 04:13.33 | Dagmar | They would also network with each other and fail randomly if one were so bold as to replace the socket entirely so that you could install some other manufacturers bulb |
| 04:13.35 | Corrodias | i'm not so good at understanding volts and amps vs watts |
| 04:13.35 | kdtresh | or whatever the measurement is |
| 04:13.47 | Dagmar | kdthresh: It is the draw |
| 04:14.02 | kdtresh | input != output |
| 04:14.10 | Dagmar | It's just expected that the bulbs are not crap compared to other people's bulbs |
| 04:14.14 | kdtresh | the efficiency of the bulb will determine the output |
| 04:14.28 | Corrodias | we understand that |
| 04:14.28 | kdtresh | there is an expected output, but is it actually defined somewhere? |
| 04:14.41 | Shirik | Corrodias: wattage is VI |
| 04:14.52 | Shirik | kdtresh: Lies. Input == output |
| 04:14.54 | kdtresh | or are all "100W" bulbs just close enough that nobody really cares? |
| 04:15.05 | Shirik | energy cannot be created nor destroyed, however not all of it is output as light :) |
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| 04:15.17 | kdtresh | stands corrected, technically. :P |
| 04:15.23 | Dagmar | The _actual_ importance is that not all light bulb sockets are rated for 100W/150W bulbs |
| 04:15.30 | Corrodias | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescent_light_bulb#Power |
| 04:15.33 | Corrodias | citation needed. |
| 04:15.54 | Dagmar | If the thing says 60W on it (which is becoming rarer and rarer) and you put something like a 100/120W bulb in there, it'll die rather quickly |
| 04:16.07 | Dagmar | ...and that's if it doesn't start damaging the socket. |
| 04:16.38 | Dagmar | The last time I actually looked at incandescents, about half the bulbs had the same est. lumens output on them |
| 04:16.47 | Heather | looks like the wattage is determined mostly by the filament... too much wattage going into a filament will melt the filament |
| 04:17.28 | Shirik | again a lie |
| 04:17.46 | Heather | no, I'm reading up on it now |
| 04:17.47 | Shirik | it really has to do with the current |
| 04:17.53 | Shirik | the bulb could care less about the voltage |
| 04:17.59 | Corrodias | are you a fool? |
| 04:18.07 | Corrodias | the current is entirely determined by voltage and resistance |
| 04:18.11 | Shirik | precisely! |
| 04:18.14 | Corrodias | calls Shirik other classic cliches |
| 04:18.29 | Shirik | So they are related, but not independent |
| 04:18.35 | Shirik | er |
| 04:18.42 | Shirik | ok that wasn't stated right |
| 04:19.04 | Dagmar | It matters as much as knowing whether or not you have sketchy cloth-covered ribbons of copper in the walls, or thick aluminum wires, or copper wires when it comes time to think about replacing a breaker |
| 04:19.10 | Shirik | ^ |
| 04:19.33 | Shirik | point is, though, you can put a resistor in series with the bulb and throw 400V across it |
| 04:19.36 | Shirik | and it will be fine |
| 04:19.37 | Heather | for a lightbulb in a lamp, it's all porportinal to supply voltage |
| 04:19.54 | Dagmar | Most of the unmarked light sockets I've seen were probably overdesigned. The two I took apart with 60W painted on them were clearly pushing their luck |
| 04:20.15 | Heather | what in the heck does that have to do with anything, Shirik? The bulb still cares how much voltage it gets. It just doesn't care what the voltage is before it gets to it |
| 04:20.23 | Dagmar | Power consumption will directly relate to heat-generation |
| 04:20.47 | Shirik | voltage is just a measurement from two points, there's nothing to "get" |
| 04:20.59 | Shirik | it's just a differential in potential |
| 04:21.02 | Heather | applies her head to her desk. Repeatedly. |
| 04:21.04 | Dagmar | To make it more obvious, taking an old Ez-Bake kiddie oven and putting a 150w bulb in it will definitely make an overweight geek really mad in short order. ;) |
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| 04:22.34 | Shirik | omg did you ever have one of those creepy crawler sets? |
| 04:22.35 | Shirik | I did |
| 04:22.44 | Dagmar | I only vaguely remember those |
| 04:22.49 | Heather | But it seems that bulbs -do- care about voltage, quite a bit in fact. If the voltage is too low the lead wires conduct too much heat from the filament... if the voltage is too high, it's difficult to handle the filaments since they're extremely fragile |
| 04:22.50 | Dagmar | I had a chemistry set |
| 04:23.11 | Dagmar | ...from before they had the idea that any seven-year old kid was just waiting for opportunity to strike to make weapons of mass destruction |
| 04:23.17 | Heather | meaning that the voltage range for an effective bulb is between 1.5V and 300V |
| 04:23.38 | Heather | in any case, this inane conversation is taking me away from my studies |
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| 04:23.53 | Shirik | omg I had a chemistry set too! |
| 04:23.56 | Dagmar | Now chemistry sets are just sad |
| 04:24.00 | Shirik | I don't think I ever did anything useful with it though |
| 04:24.17 | Dagmar | "Experiment #3: ADULT SUPERVISION REQUIRED! Dissolving salt in water to make salt water" |
| 04:24.22 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:24.25 | Heather | I had an EZ bake oven that I broke |
| 04:24.53 | Dagmar | Like half the bottles in my set were marked with labels that said something along the lines of "for god's sake don't put this in your mouth or you'll be sorry" |
| 04:24.59 | Shirik | ya |
| 04:25.07 | Shirik | and they had those special caps on them |
| 04:25.08 | Dagmar | Phenolthaline solution had extra large print |
| 04:25.13 | Heather | my cousin had one of those Stretch Armstrong creation kits |
| 04:25.22 | Heather | where you shove sawdust into a rubber doll |
| 04:25.23 | Dagmar | If you took a swig of that you'd poop your butt off |
| 04:25.32 | Shirik | I clearly remember one experiment I did but I can't for the life of me remember what the purpose was |
| 04:25.38 | Shirik | it turned blue though |
| 04:25.45 | Dagmar | shirik: Alkalinity test |
| 04:25.53 | Shirik | maybe |
| 04:25.54 | Shirik | I have no idea |
| 04:26.04 | Shirik | was way too long ago |
| 04:26.06 | Heather | I remember that pewter smelting kit |
| 04:26.11 | Heather | for kids |
| 04:26.13 | Dagmar | Well, IIRC that's what the blue test does |
| 04:26.33 | Heather | back in the day when people thought giving kids access to molten metal was a fine idea |
| 04:26.35 | Dagmar | The pink one is phenolthaline, and you use it to determine whether or not you're looking at something pH neutral |
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| 04:27.08 | Shirik | I say nothing wrong with giving kids access to molten metal |
| 04:27.18 | Shirik | if they kill themselves, the gene pool is better off |
| 04:27.25 | Shirik | survival of the fittest and all that |
| 04:27.45 | Heather | so... in Lua I don't have to intialize a variable like 'int testing;'? I just go 'testing = 10;' |
| 04:27.53 | Dagmar | methyline blue, google is telling me |
| 04:28.14 | Heather | I miss Bill Nye The Science Guy |
| 04:28.28 | Shirik | Heather: All variables exist, always |
| 04:28.40 | Shirik | the only thing you might want to do is declare a local variable |
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| 04:29.07 | Dagmar | Heather: I preferred Mr. Wizard. His experiments were decidedly the sorts of things you did NOT do at home |
| 04:29.28 | Heather | so... can you change types? like if I do 'a = 10;' and do some math and print a, then I go 'a = fruitloops' and print it, it'll then be a string? |
| 04:29.43 | Shirik | well if there were quotes around fruitloops, then yes |
| 04:29.46 | Dagmar | Heather: There's an awesome one where he burns up about a tablespoon of _thermite_ and it slags multiple clay pots full of sand |
| 04:29.50 | Shirik | if not, then a is set to whatever fruitloops is |
| 04:29.51 | Heather | I watched all three cool shows.... Mr Wizard, Bill Nye, Beakman |
| 04:30.07 | Dagmar | Beakman had cute gypsy girls |
| 04:30.24 | Heather | Beakman had the creepy rat |
| 04:30.27 | Dagmar | ...who were generally dangerously insane. |
| 04:30.34 | Shirik | There actually is no such thing as a "global variable" it's just a shortcut for _G.testing, which is a shortcut for getfenv(0).testing, which is a shortcut for "get the current environment table".testing |
| 04:30.39 | Dagmar | Come to think of it, that might explain some of my dating choices |
| 04:30.44 | Shirik | back to the "everything is a table!" |
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| 04:31.22 | Heather | seems like there's more potential to screw things up in Lua compared to C++ |
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| 04:31.39 | Shirik | arguable |
| 04:31.50 | Arrowmaster | well in Lua 5.2 it seems they are going to make it so global variables are just sugar for _ENV.x |
| 04:32.01 | Shirik | they changed _G to _ENV? |
| 04:32.02 | Dagmar | Does lua support inline assembly? |
| 04:32.11 | Heather | Are there container objects in Lua? |
| 04:32.14 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: kinda |
| 04:32.18 | Shirik | Heather: Table |
| 04:32.20 | Shirik | Everything |
| 04:32.21 | Shirik | Table |
| 04:32.30 | Dagmar | I thought it generally takes inline assembly to _really_ screw the pooch good and proper |
| 04:32.53 | Shirik | Dagmar: You could do inline bytecode, is that close enough? :) |
| 04:33.00 | Shirik | but that's not really a lua construct |
| 04:33.05 | Shirik | that's more of "abusing loadstring()" |
| 04:33.24 | Heather | so... tables are just associative arrays, arrays that can be referenced by other variable types than an int |
| 04:33.43 | Shirik | please don't call them arrays, arrays have a very particular meaning in Lua, despite the fact that it's an implementation detail |
| 04:33.53 | Heather | PIL refers to them as arrays :D |
| 04:34.03 | Shirik | probably because it's referring to the array part of a table |
| 04:34.19 | Heather | "the table type implements associative arrays." |
| 04:34.25 | Shirik | ech |
| 04:34.32 | Shirik | I would argue against that wording, but ok |
| 04:34.34 | Heather | section 2.5 |
| 04:34.39 | Shirik | it may be the easiest way to explain it |
| 04:34.59 | Dagmar | Shirik: It doesn't count unless you can for sure make the CPU scream and hide under a blanket |
| 04:35.37 | Shirik | Dagmar: I don't THINK there's a JMP instruction, but you could use TAILCALL to do that |
| 04:36.38 | Shirik | Once upon a time, four AMPHIBIOUS HOG CALLERS attacked a family of |
| 04:36.38 | Shirik | DEFENSELESS, SENSITIVE COIN COLLECTORS and brought DOWN their PROPERTY |
| 04:36.38 | Shirik | VALUES!! |
| 04:36.38 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@heresiarchguild ~ $ |
| 04:36.41 | Shirik | wtf... |
| 04:37.18 | Shirik | Dagmar: I take it back, there IS a JMP |
| 04:37.37 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/134254 |
| 04:37.39 | Shirik | how's that? |
| 04:37.45 | Shirik | is that sufficient screamage? |
| 04:38.09 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2010-02/msg00753.html |
| 04:38.37 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 04:38.44 | Shirik | they're moving getfenv/setfenv to debug? |
| 04:38.50 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:38.54 | Shirik | that's an overdue change |
| 04:39.23 | Shirik | ah that's a neat construct |
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| 04:41.50 | Arrowmaster | i dont know if theyve changed their stance on that or not since then |
| 04:42.03 | Thunder_Child | awww...C&C 4 only got a 7 |
| 04:45.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Heather (~pirate@174-27-32-115.bois.qwest.net) |
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| 04:50.19 | Adys | BUILD = sorted([int(k) for k in os.listdir("/var/www/caches/caches/") if k.isdigit()])[-1] |
| 04:50.23 | Adys | i love python |
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| 04:53.42 | Shirik | Adys |
| 04:53.45 | Shirik | evacuate the dance floor |
| 04:53.52 | Arrowmaster | i hear you like caches so you put a cache inside a cache |
| 04:53.57 | Heather | so.... if I go 'this_is_a_table = {};' then 'this_is_a_table[fartknocker] = 28', I can later go 'b = this_is_a_table[fartknocker];' and b will == 28? |
| 04:54.12 | Shirik | Heather: Possibly |
| 04:54.13 | Adys | Shirik: your mommy |
| 04:54.30 | Shirik | I assume fartknocker hasn't changed in between |
| 04:54.32 | Shirik | if so, yes |
| 04:54.37 | Heather | cool |
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| 04:54.50 | Shirik | however |
| 04:54.55 | Shirik | this is not python, we don't use underscores |
| 04:55.01 | Arrowmaster | lua> this_is_a_table = {}; this_is_a_table[fartknocker] = 28; b = this_is_a_table[fartknocker]; return b |
| 04:55.07 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: table index is nil |
| 04:55.28 | Shirik | oh yeah, fartknocker also cannot be nil, and this_is_a_table must not have a metatable |
| 04:55.46 | Heather | metatable? |
| 04:55.47 | Arrowmaster | lua> fartknocker = "fartknocker"; this_is_a_table = {}; this_is_a_table[fartknocker] = 28; b = this_is_a_table[fartknocker]; return b |
| 04:55.53 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 28 |
| 04:55.56 | Shirik | if you haven't gotten that far yet, don't worry about it :) |
| 04:56.09 | Shirik | metatables are the harbringers of Lua's power |
| 04:56.13 | Shirik | but you need to get the basics first |
| 04:56.42 | Arrowmaster | has built a deathstar using some bubble gum, a paperclip, and metatables |
| 04:56.49 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:57.00 | Shirik | basically, Heather, metatables change the rules of lua |
| 04:58.04 | Shirik | lua> this_is_a_table = {}; setmetatable(this_is_a_table, {__newindex = function() end}); fartknocker = "fartknocker"; this_is_a_table[fartknocker] = 28; b = this_is_a_table[fartknocker]; return b; |
| 04:58.06 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 04:58.11 | Adys | !reload sigrie |
| 04:58.18 | Shirik | same code, only one added thing: a metatable |
| 04:58.24 | Shirik | and suddenly the result changed |
| 04:58.52 | Shirik | make another change to the metatable, not touching anything else... |
| 04:59.03 | Shirik | lua> this_is_a_table = {}; setmetatable(this_is_a_table, {__newindex = function() end, __index=function() return "Hai!"; end}); fartknocker = "fartknocker"; this_is_a_table[fartknocker] = 28; b = this_is_a_table[fartknocker]; return b; |
| 04:59.04 | lua_bot | Shirik: Hai! |
| 04:59.39 | Heather | can a table contain a function? |
| 05:00.07 | Shirik | metatables are tables, and the metatable above contains 2 functions |
| 05:00.11 | Shirik | in fact |
| 05:00.17 | Shirik | like I said before, EVERYTHING is in a table |
| 05:00.28 | Shirik | so the fact that functions exist at all implies that tables must be able to contain functions |
| 05:00.32 | Adys | Heather: just remember this, metatables are the equivalent of what python is awesome for |
| 05:00.43 | Adys | hey Shirik |
| 05:00.45 | Adys | check this out |
| 05:00.49 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Adys!~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (bye) |
| 05:00.55 | Addybot | IM STILL HERE |
| 05:00.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 05:01.13 | Adys | !dbc Spell.dbc |
| 05:01.13 | Heather | I don't know python |
| 05:01.14 | Addybot | Loaded Spell.dbc: 49816 rows total |
| 05:01.16 | Heather | I know C++ |
| 05:01.18 | Shirik | but basically, Adys is right |
| 05:01.28 | Shirik | Python has 5 million constructs to get you what you want to do |
| 05:01.34 | Shirik | Lua has 1: Metatables, and you can do just as much and more |
| 05:01.47 | Adys | you cant do more for technical reasons |
| 05:01.52 | Shirik | lies |
| 05:01.57 | Adys | but you can do almost as much without too many difficulties |
| 05:02.39 | Adys | Shirik: show me how to make #foo return the length of foo added to the length of every table it has in its index |
| 05:02.43 | Adys | recursively |
| 05:02.53 | Shirik | Alter __len in 5.2 |
| 05:02.57 | Shirik | or |
| 05:03.07 | Shirik | in 5.1, make foo a proxy userdata and use __len |
| 05:03.21 | Adys | so what you're saying is "eh, later it's easy!" |
| 05:03.28 | Shirik | you can do it in 5.1 |
| 05:03.32 | Adys | didnt you bash me for saying "it's easy in python3"? :P |
| 05:03.32 | Shirik | just use a proxy userdata |
| 05:03.47 | Adys | kay then, here's another challenge |
| 05:03.57 | Shirik | which is as simple as using newproxy(true) and storing a table inside it |
| 05:04.03 | Adys | show me how to convert a table to a string that says "Shirik is a big penis" when I do tonumber(table) |
| 05:04.20 | Arrowmaster | although iterating over recursive tables is dangerous |
| 05:04.24 | Shirik | Override tonumber() |
| 05:04.33 | Adys | you are an immense failure |
| 05:04.46 | Shirik | lua> tonumber = function() return "Shirik is a big penis" end return tonumber{} |
| 05:04.47 | lua_bot | Shirik: Shirik is a big penis |
| 05:04.55 | Shadowed | Adys stop mangling my beautiful code with insanity |
| 05:05.17 | Adys | Shirik: what if I still want tonumber functional for everything else except that one table |
| 05:05.17 | Adys | :P |
| 05:05.23 | Shirik | return tonumber(setmetatable({}, {__tonumber = function() return "Shirik is a big penis" })) |
| 05:05.26 | Shirik | Adys: Easy |
| 05:05.34 | Adys | kay so what you're saying is |
| 05:05.40 | Adys | lua has just as much as python |
| 05:05.49 | Adys | and not "5 million constructs less" |
| 05:05.50 | Adys | :p |
| 05:06.02 | Shirik | lua> v = {}; local tonumber = tonumber; function tonumber(t) if t == v then return "Shirik is a big penis" end end; return tonumber(v), tonumber("5") |
| 05:06.05 | lua_bot | Shirik: Shirik is a big penis |
| 05:06.12 | Shirik | oops |
| 05:06.14 | Arrowmaster | lua> return tonumber(setmetatable({}, {__tonumber = function() return "Shirik is a big penis" })) |
| 05:06.17 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '}' |
| 05:06.24 | Arrowmaster | lua> return tonumber(setmetatable({}, {__tonumber = function() return "Shirik is a big penis" end })) |
| 05:06.25 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nil |
| 05:06.34 | Shirik | lua> v = {}; local _tonumber = tonumber; function tonumber(t) if t == v then return "Shirik is a big penis" else return _tonumber(t) end end; return tonumber(v), tonumber("5") |
| 05:06.38 | lua_bot | Shirik: Shirik is a big penis, 5 |
| 05:06.39 | Adys | setmetatable doesnt return a table Arrowmaster, at least i dont think it does |
| 05:06.42 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: I didn''t think that existed, I just wanted to chek |
| 05:06.50 | Arrowmaster | Adys: it does |
| 05:06.50 | Shirik | and yes, setmetatable does return the first argument |
| 05:06.55 | Adys | hm |
| 05:06.57 | Adys | weird |
| 05:07.04 | Adys | Shirik: you cant have it both ways, either metatables are the equivalent of python's classes and they have as many constructs |
| 05:07.11 | Adys | or they don't, and they aren't the equivalent anymore |
| 05:07.15 | Adys | basic maths |
| 05:07.35 | Shirik | how do you figure? |
| 05:07.35 | WobWork | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/17/2847962.htm |
| 05:07.42 | Shirik | You can do multiple things with the same construct |
| 05:07.45 | Shirik | just in different ways |
| 05:07.59 | Adys | Shirik: classes have the same methods as metatables |
| 05:08.14 | Adys | except in python, you dont have a difference between a method and a meta-method |
| 05:08.22 | Shirik | same in Lua |
| 05:08.41 | Shirik | what we call "metamethods" are just functions that are specially understood by the VM or library functions |
| 05:08.55 | Heather | oh, that's pretty neat... a.x is the same as a["x"] |
| 05:08.59 | Adys | so you can define {}.__tonumber directly without setting a metatable? |
| 05:09.10 | Heather | so it can behave kinda like C arrays or C data objects |
| 05:09.13 | Shirik | sure, but it's probably not what you intended to do, Adys |
| 05:09.13 | Adys | Heather: not neat, insane imo :P |
| 05:09.22 | Shirik | Heather: It goes deeper |
| 05:09.30 | Shirik | You are barely scratching the surface of why that's useful :) |
| 05:09.31 | Adys | also, SHADOWED |
| 05:09.45 | Shirik | What Adys refuses to tell you is that Lua doesn't have classes because it doesn't NEED to |
| 05:09.45 | Heather | well, yes, considering I'm only in section two of the book, lol |
| 05:09.54 | Shirik | BECAUSE of that property of tables |
| 05:09.58 | Shadowed | I'm pretty sure Adys is doing something he shouldn't be |
| 05:10.00 | Shadowed | cause he's bad |
| 05:10.12 | Adys | Shirik: Im not saying lua "NEEDS" classes |
| 05:10.23 | Adys | but this obsession of wanting to do everything in tables is insane |
| 05:10.26 | Shirik | no |
| 05:10.29 | Shirik | it's beauty and power |
| 05:10.46 | Shadowed | what |
| 05:10.51 | Adys | no, you know the citation "one woman to please them all" or what? |
| 05:10.59 | Shirik | BUT THAT'S JUST IT |
| 05:11.04 | Shadowed | are you complaining function tbl:foo |
| 05:11.06 | Shirik | Python IS that "one woman to please them all" |
| 05:11.11 | Adys | ... no |
| 05:11.16 | Shirik | Metatables are "Make your woman how you want her" |
| 05:11.17 | Shadowed | Adys stop being confusing |
| 05:11.25 | Adys | wtf are those prejudices? |
| 05:11.38 | Heather | C++ is mostly about control and limitation, safety in only allowing things to work one way... Lua seems to be completely opposite of that |
| 05:11.51 | Adys | just an example; python has dict() and list() and even collections.SortedDict() |
| 05:12.06 | Shirik | Heather, precisely, Lua's power comes from its flexibility |
| 05:12.18 | Shirik | you have a lot of control over how the VM interprets things |
| 05:12.19 | Shirik | For example |
| 05:12.20 | Heather | also it's potential for trouble causing |
| 05:12.24 | Shirik | What other language allows you to CALL a number? |
| 05:12.30 | Adys | ... python? |
| 05:12.33 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 05:12.35 | Adys | yes |
| 05:12.37 | Dagmar | perl. |
| 05:12.38 | Adys | override __call__ |
| 05:12.51 | Shirik | !lua a = 4; setmetatable(a, {__call = print}); (203934)() |
| 05:12.52 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "a = 4; setmetatable(a, {__call = print}); (..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'setmetatable' (table expected, got number) |
| 05:12.57 | Shirik | !lua a = 4; debug.setmetatable(a, {__call = print}); (203934)() |
| 05:12.57 | batbot | Shirik: 203934 |
| 05:12.59 | Adys | in python everything is an object |
| 05:13.00 | Heather | any of you ever check out mushcode? |
| 05:13.02 | Heather | instant headache |
| 05:13.04 | Shirik | !lua a = 4; debug.setmetatable(a, {__call = print}); (2039329844)() |
| 05:13.04 | batbot | Shirik: 2039329844 |
| 05:13.05 | Adys | everything an anything can be iterated |
| 05:13.15 | Shirik | !lua (3948+9382)() |
| 05:13.15 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "return (3948+9382)()"]:1: attempt to call a number value |
| 05:13.16 | Adys | Shirik: can you overwrite __iter? |
| 05:13.22 | Shirik | aw, batbot is dropping my metatable :( |
| 05:13.42 | Shirik | batrick: Do you clean the built-in type metatables every time? |
| 05:13.52 | Shirik | Adys: In 5.2, yes |
| 05:13.55 | Heather | in mushcode, every possible variable is a string. Even math is done through strings. The code doesn't know the difference between 'add(10,1)' and 'add(foo,3)' |
| 05:14.15 | Adys | Shirik: then, as i said, python is just as flexible :) |
| 05:14.31 | Heather | that and everything is done on a single line, where whitespace matters |
| 05:14.39 | Shirik | ew whitespace |
| 05:14.40 | Dagmar | Heather: Well, typically there's not a lot of high math involved in mushes, so it's not a huge issue |
| 05:15.41 | Adys | i think your issue Shirik |
| 05:15.46 | Shirik | is that python is evil |
| 05:15.47 | Adys | is with python's strict indentation |
| 05:15.56 | Adys | and you instantly categorize anything python as bad |
| 05:16.02 | Shirik | yup |
| 05:16.08 | Dagmar | They sounds like Fortran fetishisism |
| 05:16.19 | Adys | .. thats not mature, at all |
| 05:16.22 | Adys | nor is it useful |
| 05:16.23 | Dagmar | christ I need more caffiene |
| 05:16.32 | Heather | @pemit %#=[name(%0)] is a [if([strcomp([ulocal(me,SEX)],male)],male,female)]. |
| 05:16.42 | Heather | just a very simple example of mushcode |
| 05:17.03 | Shirik | sthat looks like python and perl bastardized into a single language |
| 05:17.15 | Adys | .. no it doesnt |
| 05:17.18 | Heather | I wrote a VERY complex mushcode object.... it's horrid to try to read |
| 05:17.27 | Heather | let me get the source and pastebin it |
| 05:17.28 | Adys | i honestly thought it was perl |
| 05:17.42 | Dagmar | Heather: keep in mind that was designed by people who were interested in fiction. They were not attempting to break new frontiers in formal programming techniques. The requirement was that it not blow up and smash the server under load |
| 05:17.43 | Adys | but that doesnt look ANYTHING like python |
| 05:17.47 | Adys | i dont know how you can even say that |
| 05:17.50 | Adys | so Shadowed ping |
| 05:17.58 | Shadowed | no |
| 05:18.04 | Adys | !dbc SpellItemEnchantmentCondition.dbc |
| 05:18.04 | Addybot | Loaded SpellItemEnchantmentCondition.dbc: 49 rows total |
| 05:18.33 | Adys | !dbc LFGDungeons.dbc |
| 05:18.33 | Addybot | Loaded LFGDungeons.dbc: 193 rows total |
| 05:18.44 | Adys | i can manipulate those dbcs directly from irc |
| 05:18.46 | Heather | http://pastebin.com/As3emepq |
| 05:18.57 | Adys | havent made the api public yet though |
| 05:19.19 | Heather | that's my object |
| 05:19.31 | Heather | and it's not ugly because I suck at coding, it's ugly because that's mushcode |
| 05:19.33 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 05:19.41 | Shadowed | !dbc delete |
| 05:20.51 | Adys | Heather: is this supposed to be porn |
| 05:20.58 | Adys | theres a lot of body parts. |
| 05:22.22 | Heather | it's a description editor and viewer |
| 05:22.41 | Heather | for people |
| 05:22.46 | Heather | who may or may not be nude |
| 05:23.01 | Heather | you describe the person nude, then you describe clothing to cover them |
| 05:23.06 | Heather | and it dynamically builds an outfit |
| 05:23.20 | Adys | Can I describe Shadowed nude this very instant? |
| 05:23.26 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Adys!~Shadowed@li53-10.members.linode.com] by Shadowed (Adys) |
| 05:23.27 | Corrodias | excuse me, did somebody talk about nudity? |
| 05:23.30 | Shadowed | reflex |
| 05:23.32 | Corrodias | because i like that sort of thing |
| 05:23.34 | Shadowed | total acccident |
| 05:23.36 | Addybot | Im STILL HERE |
| 05:23.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 05:23.46 | Heather | so if you're wearing shorts and nothing else and it knows shorts covers certain body parts, it'll describe the nude body parts except for what is covered by the shorts and instead show the shorts desc |
| 05:23.48 | Shadowed | I wonder if I can get your bot glined |
| 05:23.59 | Adys | try |
| 05:24.21 | Shadowed | but then I have to take time from doing math |
| 05:24.28 | Adys | TRY ANYWAY |
| 05:24.29 | Shadowed | and if I take time from doing math, I take time from doing layout recoding |
| 05:24.40 | Adys | i dont care |
| 05:25.33 | Shadowed | I don't care that you don't care |
| 05:25.37 | Shadowed | to be fair |
| 05:26.00 | Adys | Shadowed! |
| 05:26.49 | Adys | !talent brain freeze |
| 05:26.50 | Addybot | Adys: Brain Freeze - http://db.mmo-champion.com/t/1854/brain-freeze/ |
| 05:26.50 | Adys | Adys: Brain Freeze - http://db.mmo-champion.com/t/1854/brain-freeze/ |
| 05:26.55 | Adys | bah |
| 05:27.00 | Shadowed | good job |
| 05:27.02 | Adys | !faction foo |
| 05:27.02 | Addybot | Adys: faction 'foo' not found |
| 05:27.19 | Shadowed | you broke it wtf |
| 05:27.20 | Heather | if you wanted to handle a table like an array, could you put in 100 elements using integers as keys, then to go through all elements, do a while loop on the condition 'while a[i] != nil; print(a[i]);i++;end'? |
| 05:27.24 | Adys | no i didnt |
| 05:27.30 | Adys | i quit because i dont need 2 bots running |
| 05:28.28 | Adys | oh yeah btw Shirik |
| 05:28.31 | Adys | lua doesnt have continue. |
| 05:28.41 | Adys | what kind of language doesnt have continue? |
| 05:28.42 | Adys | seriously |
| 05:28.45 | Shadowed | Lua |
| 05:28.51 | frontendloader | !spell slap to the face |
| 05:29.08 | Adys | !spell slap |
| 05:29.08 | Adys | Adys: Slap in the Face - http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/51663/slap-in-the-face/ |
| 05:29.13 | Arrowmaster | Heather: you would use a for loop with the ipairs() iterator |
| 05:29.30 | Adys | frontendloader: can you try that again? |
| 05:29.38 | frontendloader | !spell slap in the face |
| 05:29.59 | Adys | huh |
| 05:30.33 | Adys | frontendloader: try just "!spell slap" |
| 05:30.35 | Shadowed | !talent B |
| 05:30.35 | Adys | Shadowed: Body and Soul - http://db.mmo-champion.com/t/2279/body-and-soul/ |
| 05:30.40 | frontendloader | !spell slap |
| 05:30.41 | Shadowed | aw, it returns the first one |
| 05:30.42 | Shadowed | !spell S |
| 05:30.43 | Adys | Shadowed: 10,000 Siege Damage - http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/5555/10-000-siege-damage/ |
| 05:30.48 | Shadowed | :( |
| 05:31.05 | frontendloader | bot has me on ignore :( |
| 05:31.11 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy St. Patrick's Day! |
| 05:31.18 | Adys | that.. actually appears to be the case frontendloader |
| 05:31.29 | Adys | oh |
| 05:31.32 | Adys | lemme guess |
| 05:31.33 | frontendloader | what'd I do |
| 05:31.41 | Adys | freenode is appending some shit before your nick i bet |
| 05:32.21 | frontendloader | !spell slap in the face |
| 05:32.21 | Adys | frontendloader: Slap in the Face - http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/51663/slap-in-the-face/ |
| 05:32.26 | frontendloader | howdy do |
| 05:32.51 | Heather | .... |
| 05:32.59 | Adys | did you just login? |
| 05:33.01 | frontendloader | yea |
| 05:33.04 | frontendloader | ident'd |
| 05:33.14 | Heather | why is it customary to use 1 as the first element in a table acting as an array instead of 0? |
| 05:33.17 | frontendloader | no WONDER everyone was ignoring me in that one channel >_> |
| 05:33.25 | frontendloader | its not customary |
| 05:33.27 | Shadowed | Cairenn: I don't think it's even St. Patrick's Day for you yet :P |
| 05:33.39 | Cairenn | yes, yes it is |
| 05:33.43 | frontendloader | perl's first array element has an index of 0 |
| 05:33.45 | Cairenn | 1:33am |
| 05:33.48 | Shadowed | Aren't you +1 hour |
| 05:33.49 | Shadowed | oh |
| 05:33.50 | Shadowed | welp! |
| 05:34.00 | Cairenn | so :p |
| 05:35.33 | frontendloader | same with C |
| 05:35.48 | frontendloader | lua is sorta the exception I spose |
| 05:41.38 | bleeter | Did you hear the one about the guy from Google Maps Australia getting lost on the way to the conference about geolocation aware social network applications? |
| 05:43.26 | frontendloader | nope |
| 05:43.37 | frontendloader | I suppose now I have, though. |
| 05:44.05 | Heather | is division to be avoided in a WoW addon? I'm used to the nintendo DS where you strive to avoid expensive math at all costs |
| 05:44.46 | frontendloader | its fine |
| 05:44.55 | Adys | division isnt expensive on most intel processors |
| 05:45.41 | frontendloader | things to avoid in wow addons |
| 05:45.56 | Adys | - anything with "gear" or "score" in the name |
| 05:46.14 | frontendloader | making very large amounts of very large tables |
| 05:46.36 | frontendloader | and possibly iterating over them multiple times |
| 05:46.44 | Heather | can you mimic a multidimensional array with tables? |
| 05:46.50 | kd3 | sure |
| 05:46.51 | frontendloader | sure |
| 05:47.00 | frontendloader | t = {} |
| 05:47.07 | frontendloader | t[4][5] = 12 |
| 05:47.08 | kd3 | you can do all kinds of things (short of julienne fries) with tables |
| 05:47.15 | Adys | m |
| 05:47.19 | Adys | now i want fries |
| 05:47.19 | Arrowmaster | frontendloader: that wont work |
| 05:47.44 | frontendloader | oh, have to instantiate t[4] first I spose? |
| 05:47.44 | Arrowmaster | t = {}; t[4] = {}; t[4][5] = 12 |
| 05:47.48 | Adys | frontendloader: you'd need t[4] to already be initialized as a table |
| 05:48.02 | frontendloader | blast hardcheese |
| 05:48.15 | Arrowmaster | but thats one thing you can use metatables with |
| 05:48.43 | frontendloader | you could do t = {[4] = {[5] = 12}} though I think |
| 05:49.16 | frontendloader | which is pretty fugly but two less statements than instantiating two tables before finally setting a value |
| 05:49.43 | Adys | btw Shirik |
| 05:49.46 | Adys | I was looking for it |
| 05:49.47 | Adys | http://www.siafoo.net/article/57 |
| 05:50.16 | Heather | why is it ~= instead of !=? |
| 05:50.23 | Adys | because lua is insane |
| 05:50.29 | Shirik | because the gods doth say it so |
| 05:51.00 | Adys | it doesnt bother me as much anymore |
| 05:51.07 | Adys | but after 2 years of lua i still sometimes write != |
| 05:51.20 | Shirik | it's trivial to make that work |
| 05:51.29 | Shirik | just change the parser |
| 05:51.35 | Shirik | there's no syntactical ambiguity |
| 05:51.59 | Adys | okie, just hold on a sec lemme send my fork to blizz so i can run my addons |
| 05:52.15 | Arrowmaster | lua> t = setmetatable({},{__index=function(self,k) local v = {} self[k] = v return v end}) t[4][5] = 12 |
| 05:52.16 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: No output |
| 05:52.28 | Arrowmaster | lua> t = setmetatable({},{__index=function(self,k) local v = {} self[k] = v return v end}) t[4][5] = 12; return t[4][5] |
| 05:52.29 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 12 |
| 05:53.18 | frontendloader | tricky |
| 05:53.30 | frontendloader | metatables are something I've not had a use for yet |
| 05:53.41 | Adys | lua> t = setmetatable({},{__index=function(self,k) local v = {} self[k] = v return v end}) t[4][5] = 12; t[4][2] = 12; t[4][1] = 123; return t[4] |
| 05:53.42 | lua_bot | Adys: table: 0x8212490 |
| 05:54.05 | Adys | lua> t = setmetatable({},{__index=function(self,k) local v = {} self[k] = v return v end}) t[4][5] = 12; t[4][2] = 12; t[4][1] = 123; for k,v in pairs(t[4]) do print(v) end |
| 05:54.06 | lua_bot | Adys: 123, 12, 12 |
| 05:54.16 | Adys | odd |
| 05:54.29 | Arrowmaster | how? |
| 05:54.32 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 05:54.34 | DWSR | Makes sense to me |
| 05:54.38 | Adys | wouldnt that just reset t[4] every time? |
| 05:54.43 | DWSR | no |
| 05:54.43 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:54.53 | Adys | im godly hungry so Im not seeing it |
| 05:55.00 | Arrowmaster | __index is only on non existant values |
| 05:55.05 | Adys | oh |
| 05:55.14 | Adys | what's called on existant ones? |
| 05:55.20 | Arrowmaster | there isnt one |
| 05:55.27 | Adys | see Shirik |
| 05:55.34 | Adys | 1 point for python here |
| 05:55.37 | Arrowmaster | but you can use a proxy table |
| 05:55.48 | Arrowmaster | or a proxy userdata |
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| 05:56.18 | Arrowmaster | LDB uses proxy tables |
| 06:07.23 | mascondante | I wish ATSW would get updated. It's still a little buggy. |
| 06:08.03 | Shirik | EVACUATE THE DANCE FLOOR |
| 06:09.12 | mascondante | panics and sprints |
| 06:13.08 | mascondante | has anyone looked at the code and figured out why it stalls sometimes? |
| 06:13.20 | DWSR | dances |
| 06:13.43 | Shirik | cascada is so awesome |
| 06:14.49 | mascondante | orly |
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| 06:15.03 | DWSR | Shirik: It's not really, but that's ok |
| 06:15.17 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:15.20 | Shirik | cascada is a person |
| 06:15.36 | DWSR | It's a group(ish) |
| 06:15.43 | Shirik | wtf: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=350351564&rcid=360502664 |
| 06:16.34 | DWSR | How to 2 step? ROFL |
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| 06:33.26 | Adys | Shirik: if you link one more thing i do not understand |
| 06:33.29 | Adys | im kicking you |
| 06:33.38 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:33.40 | Shirik | what did I link |
| 06:33.45 | Adys | [06:15:43] <@Shirik> wtf: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=350351564&rcid=360502664 |
| 06:33.50 | Shirik | Not like I understand it either! |
| 06:33.56 | Adys | IT DOESNT MATTER |
| 06:39.52 | WobWork | if it doesn't matter |
| 06:39.56 | WobWork | then why get worked up about it? |
| 06:40.33 | Adys | becaise |
| 06:40.36 | WobWork | Since when did you become the Internet Easily Understandable Link Consideration Committee? |
| 06:40.36 | Adys | it does matter. |
| 06:40.41 | WobWork | aha! |
| 06:40.49 | WobWork | (5:33:56 PM) Adys: IT DOESNT MATTER |
| 06:40.53 | WobWork | caught! |
| 06:40.56 | Shirik | (02:40:43) (WobWork) (5:33:56 PM) Adys: IT DOESNT MATTER |
| 06:41.13 | Adys | [06:33:55] <Adys> IT DOES MATTER |
| 06:41.31 | WobWork | You're just reinforcing your fallacy |
| 06:41.49 | Adys | Im not making this easy for shirik |
| 06:42.44 | Shirik | evacuate the dance floor |
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| 06:43.06 | Shirik | I'm infected by the sound |
| 06:43.13 | Shirik | stop, this beat is killing me |
| 06:43.19 | Shirik | hey dr. dj, let the music take me underground |
| 06:43.49 | WobWork | I probably would not trust a doctor dj |
| 06:43.59 | WobWork | who knows what his doctorate is in! |
| 06:48.07 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5494758/who-is-brave-enough-to-squeeze-into-this-vinyl-samus-zero-suit |
| 06:55.19 | Shirik | Why the hell is lady gaga allowed to sing |
| 06:55.39 | Shirik | she has a great voice, but I think she's also insane |
| 06:55.45 | WobWork | I like her =) |
| 06:55.55 | WobWork | she's not your standard pop diva artist |
| 06:56.02 | WobWork | mostly because she's batshit insane |
| 06:56.04 | Shirik | ^ |
| 06:56.17 | WobWork | and it's highly entertaining. |
| 06:56.26 | WobWork | especially her music videos, just to see what she'll wear next |
| 06:56.41 | WobWork | her costumer must be even more insane to be able to come up with those outfits |
| 06:57.25 | Shirik | "Rah-rah-ah-ah-ah-ah! Roma-roma-mamaa! Ga-ga-ooh-la-la! Want your bad romance" How do you come up with those lyrics |
| 06:57.26 | Shirik | seriously |
| 06:57.47 | WobWork | it's ridiculously catchy |
| 06:58.04 | Shirik | that's not the point! |
| 06:58.16 | WobWork | it's like Kylie Minogue |
| 06:58.19 | Arrowmaster | http://xkcd.com/715/ |
| 06:58.23 | WobWork | except the lyrics are more memorable |
| 06:58.27 | WobWork | and she wrote them herself |
| 06:58.32 | Shirik | what's worrying me more is that pandora finds something similar between Lady Gaga and Sandstorm |
| 06:58.41 | WobWork | now -there's- some voodoo |
| 06:59.34 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Nice |
| 07:01.24 | Arrowmaster | xkcd rss is fucked though |
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| 07:19.03 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Do you have any idea what the "I have <x> lights" one is? |
| 07:19.26 | Arrowmaster | "there are x lights"? no |
| 07:22.13 | nevcairiel | its a ST:TNG quote |
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| 07:23.08 | Shirik | really? |
| 07:23.14 | zenzio | yes, really |
| 07:23.21 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 07:23.46 | Shirik | explain? |
| 07:24.19 | nevcairiel | watch the episode, 6x11 |
| 07:24.29 | Cairenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_eSwq1ewsU |
| 07:26.10 | Heather | it's brainwashing |
| 07:28.54 | DWSR | Cairenn: :( |
| 07:29.04 | DWSR | Shirik: TNG quote. |
| 07:29.07 | DWSR | THERE ARE 4 LIGHTS |
| 07:29.09 | Shirik | .... |
| 07:29.18 | Shirik | 5 millenia behind, DWSR |
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| 07:29.31 | DWSR | Shirik: No, your ZNC just fails at giving me scrollback |
| 07:29.41 | Shirik | then youfail at using scrollback |
| 07:29.59 | nevcairiel | ZNC in general fails at scrollback :d |
| 07:30.05 | Shirik | type /msg *status listchans |
| 07:30.06 | DWSR | This I have noticed. |
| 07:30.07 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta |
| 07:30.10 | Shirik | and look at the buffer size |
| 07:30.13 | Shirik | make sure it's reasonable |
| 07:30.23 | DWSR | They're at the defaults (i.e. 50) |
| 07:30.30 | Shirik | then change them |
| 07:30.35 | DWSR | ZNC didn't detect my timeout fast enough. |
| 07:30.36 | Shirik | I don't think you can do that actually |
| 07:30.38 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:30.45 | Shirik | well that's your problem not mine |
| 07:30.49 | Shirik | l2connect |
| 07:30.53 | DWSR | Meh. |
| 07:30.55 | DWSR | Laptop ran dry. |
| 07:31.00 | DWSR | btw. |
| 07:31.03 | DWSR | Clinical insomia. |
| 07:31.04 | DWSR | I has it. |
| 07:31.29 | zenzio | check your basement |
| 07:31.34 | zenzio | make sure you're not making TNT |
| 07:33.28 | DWSR | Some DPS just tried to chew me out for charging for heroic queues. |
| 07:35.14 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=LqUfPhMxmAg |
| 07:35.15 | Adys | okay |
| 07:35.19 | Adys | now I wanna see the context. |
| 07:37.33 | Shirik | OH |
| 07:37.34 | Shirik | That's Q! |
| 07:37.45 | Shirik | There is no context with q |
| 07:38.11 | mascondante | hey is there a way to make a macro that checks to see if a buff is active and makes a decision based on that? |
| 07:38.20 | zenzio | no |
| 07:38.23 | Cairenn | lol, what Shirik said |
| 07:38.30 | Cairenn | no context with Q, and none needed |
| 07:38.32 | Cairenn | it's Q |
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| 07:38.50 | DWSR | LOL @ Firefly using rooftop ski carriers as hospital trundles. |
| 07:39.02 | mascondante | zenzio: that no directed at my question? |
| 07:39.07 | zenzio | yes |
| 07:39.14 | mascondante | ok ty |
| 07:39.35 | mascondante | that's a shame. I'd like something to help with my instant slam |
| 07:41.51 | Adys | nevcairiel: ping |
| 07:42.00 | nevcairiel | sup |
| 07:42.06 | Adys | Message: Interface\AddOns\Mapster\Mapster.lua:422: attempt to call global 'WorldMapFrame_SelectQuest' (a nil value) |
| 07:42.07 | Adys | on ptr |
| 07:42.09 | Adys | i guess you know about it |
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| 07:42.17 | nevcairiel | yeah i fixed that |
| 07:42.20 | nevcairiel | in a branch |
| 07:42.31 | Adys | whats the mapster branch location? |
| 07:43.24 | nevcairiel | git://git.wowace.com/wow/mapster/mainline.git 3.3.3 branch :d |
| 07:43.49 | Adys | can use that safely on 3.3.2? |
| 07:44.14 | nevcairiel | it errors now and then, but doesnt completly break |
| 07:44.24 | nevcairiel | they redid alot of map internals again |
| 07:44.32 | nevcairiel | thats why i branched and didnt do conditional code or something |
| 07:45.15 | Adys | mmk |
| 07:46.23 | Adys | wtf |
| 07:46.56 | Adys | BAH git |
| 07:47.01 | Adys | nevcairiel: how do you rebase to another branch |
| 07:47.05 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:47.20 | nevcairiel | you mean, just checkout another branch? |
| 07:47.20 | Adys | ah, origin/3.3.3 |
| 07:47.21 | Adys | you failure |
| 07:49.32 | Heather | lua> if 1 == 2 or 3 then return 1 else return 0 end |
| 07:49.32 | lua_bot | Heather: 1 |
| 07:49.41 | Heather | ... |
| 07:50.02 | Adys | what are you trying to do? |
| 07:50.15 | Heather | figure out how to do a || in a conditional |
| 07:50.19 | Adys | you are checking if (1 == 2) or 3 |
| 07:50.37 | Adys | first value is false, second value falls back |
| 07:52.59 | Heather | are there easy ways to go 'if test1 == 3 && test2 == 1'? |
| 07:53.22 | Heather | or 'if test1 == 3 || test2 == 1'? |
| 07:53.36 | nevcairiel | if 1 == 2 or 1 == 3 then .. |
| 07:54.07 | Heather | lua> if 1 == 2 or 1 ==3 then return 1 else return 0 end |
| 07:54.07 | lua_bot | Heather: 0 |
| 07:54.09 | Adys | Heather: just replace || by "or" and && by "and" |
| 07:54.14 | Heather | lua> if 1 == 2 or 1 == 1 then return 1 else return 0 end |
| 07:54.14 | lua_bot | Heather: 1 |
| 07:54.19 | krka | if ({[2] = true, [3] = true})[1] then return else return 0 end |
| 07:54.32 | Heather | ah, I was misunderstanding the syntax |
| 07:54.44 | eidolarr | isn't that a lot of garbage krka? |
| 07:54.51 | krka | you're a lot of garbage! |
| 07:55.03 | Adys | my garbage is a lot of you! |
| 07:55.04 | eidolarr | damn, that was pretty nice |
| 07:55.42 | krka | return ({[2] = true, [3] = true})[1] and 1 or 0 |
| 07:55.44 | krka | win! |
| 07:55.54 | Adys | hey krka! |
| 07:55.56 | Adys | check this out |
| 07:56.02 | krka | you can obviously move the table creation more outside to reduce unnecessary GC churn |
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| 07:56.09 | Adys | !dbc Item.dbc |
| 07:56.11 | Addybot | Loaded Item.dbc: 46095 rows total |
| 07:56.31 | nevcairiel | !item 3 |
| 07:56.31 | Addybot | nevcairiel: item 3 not found |
| 07:56.31 | Adys | nevcairiel: item 3 not found |
| 07:56.37 | krka | !item 10 |
| 07:56.37 | Addybot | krka: item 10 not found |
| 07:56.37 | Adys | krka: item 10 not found |
| 07:56.49 | eidolarr | if (function(x) return (x == 2) or (x == 3) end)(1) then ... |
| 07:56.51 | krka | !item -1 |
| 07:56.51 | Adys | krka: BRK-1000 - http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/47521/brk-1000/ |
| 07:56.56 | krka | !item -2 |
| 07:56.57 | Adys | krka: Icecrown-25 Normal Loot Token - http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50332/icecrown-25-normal-loot-token/ |
| 07:57.02 | krka | !item -3 |
| 07:57.02 | Adys | krka: Seaforium PU-36 Explosive Nether Modulator - http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/28038/seaforium-pu-36-explosive-nether-modulator/ |
| 07:57.12 | Fisker | anyone know if they made the buff in ICC 10% now? |
| 07:57.20 | nevcairiel | !item 39141 |
| 07:57.20 | Adys | nevcairiel: Deflection Band - http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/39141/deflection-band/ |
| 07:57.27 | Adys | !holiday darkmoon faire |
| 07:57.27 | Adys | Adys: Darkmoon Faire - http://db.mmo-champion.com/h/376/darkmoon-faire/ |
| 07:57.41 | Adys | !q threat from above |
| 07:57.41 | batbot | Adys, threat has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 07:57.46 | Adys | fu |
| 07:57.52 | Adys | !q threat from above |
| 07:57.52 | batbot | Adys, threat has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 07:57.52 | Adys | Adys: Threat from Above - http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/11096/threat-from-above/ |
| 07:58.24 | nevcairiel | !npc al'ar |
| 07:58.24 | Adys | nevcairiel: Ember of Al'ar - http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/19551/ember-of-al-ar/ |
| 07:58.30 | Sixen | hai peppy |
| 07:58.41 | Adys | i need to match on iexact before icontains |
| 07:58.42 | Sixen | oh lawd. my chat window was way up |
| 07:58.43 | Sixen | =[ |
| 07:58.45 | Adys | well |
| 07:58.51 | Adys | i need to implement model.search actually |
| 07:58.52 | Adys | but meh |
| 07:59.01 | Sixen | !itme sixen's skullcap |
| 07:59.04 | nevcairiel | !zone duskwood |
| 07:59.04 | Adys | nevcairiel: Duskwood - http://db.mmo-champion.com/z/10/duskwood/ |
| 07:59.06 | Fisker | slaps Sixen around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:59.08 | nevcairiel | even works |
| 07:59.09 | Sixen | !item sixen's skullcap |
| 07:59.10 | Adys | Sixen: Sixen's Skullcap - http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/43840/sixens-skullcap/ |
| 07:59.11 | Sixen | =] |
| 07:59.24 | Fisker | i want an item too :( |
| 07:59.25 | Adys | nevcairiel: I share the regex with my url regex on the db :) |
| 07:59.29 | Sixen | <3 |
| 07:59.35 | Sixen | Clever, adys. |
| 07:59.40 | Adys | so !i, !item, !ach, !quest, !zone, !z, etc etc will all work |
| 08:00.04 | Fisker | give working login servers |
| 08:00.14 | Fisker | someone is wrong on the internet and i want to be the first one to tell him |
| 08:00.26 | Adys | !npc fisk |
| 08:00.26 | Adys | Adys: Fiskal Shadowsong - http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/22469/fiskal-shadowsong/ |
| 08:00.31 | Adys | !npc 35085 |
| 08:00.32 | Adys | Adys: Foreman Fisk - http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/35085/foreman-fisk/ |
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| 08:23.47 | DWSR | Why do people feel that it's neccessary to buff for 20 fucking minutes in front of Onyxia? |
| 08:24.35 | zenzio | nostalgia |
| 08:26.28 | Fisker | lol |
| 08:26.32 | Fisker | darksiders is coming for PC |
| 08:26.56 | krka | http://xkcd.com/37/ <-- this applies to the word "fucking" too |
| 08:27.07 | krka | i.e. 20 fucking-minutes |
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| 08:32.25 | Fisker | lol |
| 08:32.28 | Fisker | stronghold 3 as well |
| 08:37.16 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, because they're really stunningly bad at it |
| 08:37.21 | Adys | WARN: u'Invisible Stalker (Hostile, Ignore Combat, Float, Uninteractible, Large AOI)' != u"Putricide's Trap" - skipped |
| 08:37.22 | Adys | .. |
| 08:37.26 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: You're be happy with me. :D |
| 08:37.40 | DWSR | s/'re/'ll/ |
| 08:37.45 | ZorbaBeta | I got a buff monitor and it was the second-to-last blow to my raiding career. I don't think I saw us fully buffed once out of a month of tries. |
| 08:37.53 | DWSR | elitistarmory.com/US/Emerald+Dream/Arelin |
| 08:38.12 | ZorbaBeta | error unknown realm |
| 08:46.17 | zenzio | " |
| 08:46.18 | zenzio | Thank God we have finally crossed this hurdle. The baffling complexity of helloworld.c is no longer an obstacle to world domination. I think we can now finally say once and for all that 2010 will be the year of Linux on the desktop. |
| 08:46.18 | zenzio | " |
| 08:46.25 | zenzio | bah... stupid copy-paste |
| 08:46.39 | Fisker | man |
| 08:46.41 | zenzio | why doesn't it strip newlines like that |
| 08:46.42 | Fisker | Staem failed |
| 08:46.57 | Fisker | You can use their new wishlist feature to add non-existing games |
| 08:47.18 | Fisker | Sofar i've seen 2 unannounced console ports and 3 new projects |
| 08:51.46 | Adys | yes but |
| 08:51.48 | Adys | IS THERE DIABLO 4 |
| 08:52.00 | Fisker | NOT YET |
| 08:52.04 | Adys | to be fair its probably what the wishlist is for |
| 08:52.10 | Adys | games you wish would be created |
| 08:55.50 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Get a better browser. |
| 08:56.04 | DWSR | http://www.elitistarmory.com/US/Emerald%20Dream/Arelin |
| 08:56.45 | ZorbaBeta | what does that have to do with the browser? + and %20 are two totally different characters :P |
| 08:57.07 | ZorbaBeta | also, nice :D |
| 08:57.10 | haste | + is usually used as %20 |
| 08:57.16 | haste | as it looks better :p |
| 08:57.37 | ZorbaBeta | sure, but it's used that way on the server side |
| 08:57.44 | ZorbaBeta | if the server doesn't send a +, you can't replace it with a + |
| 08:59.41 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: I've sent EA a + before and it works fine. |
| 08:59.46 | DWSR | Though, Chrome may be rewriting that. |
| 08:59.53 | haste | nah |
| 08:59.59 | ZorbaBeta | I tried it in Chrome, didn't work |
| 08:59.59 | haste | it depends on the server side |
| 09:00.20 | ZorbaBeta | and Chrome couldn't rewrite it, it would be an entirely different URL |
| 09:00.52 | DWSR | I have no idea. |
| 09:00.58 | DWSR | All I know is it worked. |
| 09:01.13 | ZorbaBeta | the server may have changed since then |
| 09:01.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Drexore (~frankmeus@redeye.xs4all.nl) |
| 09:01.18 | DWSR | Anyway, ignore the fact that it says that I'm under def cap. |
| 09:01.29 | DWSR | (Since I'm not. Shadowed hasn't deployed the fix yet). |
| 09:01.45 | ZorbaBeta | it actually says you're 7 points above def cap :P |
| 09:01.52 | *** join/#wowuidev nuoHep (~nuoHep@83.220.61.106) |
| 09:04.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso (~Kaso@studio.fuzemedia.co.uk) |
| 09:05.28 | Adys | !api unitname |
| 09:05.28 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'unitname': UnitName, GetUnitName |
| 09:05.35 | Adys | !api geunitname |
| 09:05.35 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'geunitname'. |
| 09:05.37 | Adys | !api getunitname |
| 09:05.37 | lua_bot | GetUnitName: Returns a string summarizing a unit's name and server (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetUnitName) |
| 09:06.29 | haste | anyone know of a portable paint.net like app? |
| 09:06.57 | haste | oh wait, there's actually a portable version of it |
| 09:08.10 | Arrowmaster | isnt that a windows application? |
| 09:08.50 | haste | yes it is |
| 09:09.05 | Arrowmaster | i didnt think you used windows |
| 09:09.54 | haste | I do at work |
| 09:10.08 | haste | even though most of that time is spent over ssh |
| 09:10.49 | Arrowmaster | with a big large putty window taking up most the screen right? |
| 09:11.17 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: I was looking at the fact that it says that I'm below the crit cap. :P |
| 09:11.25 | haste | yeh, pretty much |
| 09:11.42 | ZorbaBeta | mash refresh, mine says "uncrittable" |
| 09:12.23 | Adys | !api CheckTalentMasterDist() |
| 09:12.26 | lua_bot | CheckTalentMasterDist: Returns whether the player is in range of an NPC that can reset talents (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CheckTalentMasterDist) |
| 09:12.35 | Adys | .. wow |
| 09:12.41 | Wobin | ZorbaBeta, link? |
| 09:12.50 | ZorbaBeta | http://www.elitistarmory.com/US/Emerald%20Dream/Arelin |
| 09:13.10 | Wobin | 400 defense? |
| 09:13.24 | ZorbaBeta | I see 547 defense on that page |
| 09:13.59 | Wobin | hm, it's not showing any defense |
| 09:14.03 | Wobin | (on mouseover) |
| 09:14.50 | zenzio | I saw 400, but after checking "Recache" it shows 547 |
| 09:15.05 | ZorbaBeta | curious, there must be some damn weird server issues going on over there |
| 09:15.39 | Wobin | http://screencast.com/t/ZmMxZGQ5 |
| 09:16.16 | Wobin | oh now it's fine |
| 09:16.26 | ZorbaBeta | how odd |
| 09:16.35 | ZorbaBeta | that's the exact same spot where it's always said 547 for me |
| 09:18.03 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 09:19.59 | DWSR | Mine still says below the crit cap. |
| 09:20.16 | DWSR | It looks like what Wobin said, and yes I used recache. |
| 09:20.26 | DWSR | Oh, there we go. |
| 09:20.33 | DWSR | Apparently you have to mash it more than a few times. |
| 09:20.39 | DWSR | ANYWAY |
| 09:20.40 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 09:20.44 | DWSR | I has 2 2.60 speed maces. |
| 09:21.31 | Adys | !api unitname |
| 09:21.31 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'unitname': UnitName, GetUnitName |
| 09:26.20 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: I'm now actually having threat issues. |
| 09:26.26 | DWSR | Time to gem some expertise! |
| 09:27.32 | ZorbaBeta | yep! :D |
| 09:32.33 | DWSR | The Grinder + a Solid is actually only -5 stam from the Burnished Quel'Serrar, so I figured it was time for a switch |
| 09:32.47 | DWSR | Since the omnipresent dodge + armor was better. |
| 09:36.45 | Adys | Anyone playing a lot (if possible raids or lowbie alts) and willing to run the sigrie recorder? |
| 09:36.50 | Adys | (low cpu usage & all that) |
| 09:37.49 | Adys | if anyone feels like it; http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/+MMOC_Recorder.zip |
| 09:38.07 | DWSR | I'm already running the WoWhead recorder. |
| 09:38.16 | Bibi | nobody's perfect |
| 09:38.37 | Bibi | when was the last time you got hugged for using the wowhead recorder? |
| 09:38.38 | zenzio | "sigrie recorder"? |
| 09:38.53 | Adys | zenzio: what i just linked :) |
| 09:39.06 | zenzio | I'm not familiar with that or the wowhead recorders |
| 09:39.26 | Adys | It runs ingame and gathers data through the API for upload on a database |
| 09:39.26 | Cairenn | Bibi: reminder, wowhead - zam, wowinterface - zam, therefore wowinterface - wowhead |
| 09:39.33 | Cairenn | and I hug DWSR all the time, so |
| 09:39.39 | DWSR | :D |
| 09:39.43 | zenzio | what!? I feel left out |
| 09:39.49 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 09:39.50 | Bibi | Cairenn: I'm french. |
| 09:39.51 | Bibi | I win. |
| 09:39.56 | Cairenn | I hug you all the time, took zenzio |
| 09:40.00 | Cairenn | Bibi: I'm female |
| 09:40.04 | Bibi | .... |
| 09:40.06 | Bibi | damn it. |
| 09:40.06 | Adys | NOT FOR LONG |
| 09:40.22 | Cairenn | too* (zenzio) |
| 09:40.39 | Bibi | and I have nothing against zam |
| 09:40.41 | zenzio | Cairenn: don't worry, you could take me any day |
| 09:40.47 | Bibi | it's just that Zam has something against me. |
| 09:40.49 | Cairenn | lol |
| 09:41.16 | Cairenn | Bibi: /shrug |
| 09:41.17 | Bibi | but hey |
| 09:41.22 | Bibi | I link WoWInterface over Curse. |
| 09:41.33 | Cairenn | grins at Bibi |
| 09:41.53 | haste | but we all know that wowinterface is superior to aceforge! |
| 09:42.40 | Cairenn | giggles at haste |
| 09:42.46 | Kalroth | is not! |
| 09:42.48 | zenzio | Adys: out of curiosity, why specifically raids or lowbie alts? Is your data for those areas not as solid as for the higher-level stuff? |
| 09:42.49 | Sixen | Bibi, don't do such a thing. |
| 09:42.50 | Sixen | :( |
| 09:42.55 | Kalroth | i prefer wowmatrix over wowinterface |
| 09:43.05 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Kalroth!~Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Kalroth) |
| 09:43.06 | Arathros | there must have been a geek society who decided to be the IRC-Borgs lol.. try to tell people resistance is futile and argue towards beeing assimilated lol |
| 09:43.08 | zenzio | lol |
| 09:43.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (~kalroth@0x573f1066.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.hjnqu1.customer.tele.dk) |
| 09:43.10 | Kalroth | I think that is the name anyways |
| 09:43.22 | Adys | zenzio: pretty much yes; I'm lacking all the vanilla content as i dont have any alt |
| 09:43.30 | Adys | and most shit horde side |
| 09:43.37 | Kalroth | Adys: excuses, excuses |
| 09:43.52 | Cairenn | I still say we need to make WoWInterCurseAceForgeGit |
| 09:44.03 | zenzio | Adys: hm... if I remember it when I get home I'll see if I could run that thing on my alt |
| 09:44.04 | *** join/#wowuidev sylvanaar_atwork (~sylvanaar@unaffiliated/sylvanaar) |
| 09:44.07 | Kalroth | hahah, intercurse |
| 09:44.16 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 09:44.19 | Adys | attempts intercurse with Kalroth |
| 09:44.54 | Kalroth | http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/17/0547253/Study-Finds-That-Video-Games-Hinder-Learning-In-Young-Boys poor adys |
| 09:45.15 | Kalroth | (its only for young boys though, not young girls??) |
| 09:45.28 | Cairenn | girls are smarter than boys, so they can handle it |
| 09:45.35 | Kalroth | weeeeell |
| 09:45.35 | Adys | itt, overhyped studies |
| 09:47.29 | Arathros | girls are smarter? why do they sell themself for fast food.? |
| 09:47.32 | Arathros | they failed something |
| 09:47.49 | Adys | sells Cairenn to Bibi and goes off to buy a pizza |
| 09:47.56 | zenzio | another quality argument from Arathros |
| 09:48.06 | Arathros | lol |
| 09:48.07 | Cairenn | ! |
| 09:48.09 | zenzio | woops, my sacrasm detector just blew up |
| 09:48.15 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Adys!~Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Adys) |
| 09:48.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 09:48.35 | Adys | i get kicked and Arathros is still here |
| 09:48.36 | Adys | wtf is this |
| 09:48.40 | Arathros | no idea ;P |
| 09:48.41 | zenzio | agreed |
| 09:49.03 | Cairenn | he didn't single me out ... and I missed the fact that he said it first |
| 09:49.07 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Arathros!~Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Arathros) |
| 09:49.17 | Adys | gimme op, Ill kick him too! |
| 09:50.31 | Kalroth | haha |
| 09:51.01 | *** join/#wowuidev nuoHep (~nuoHep@83.220.61.106) |
| 09:51.21 | Kalroth | besides, Cairenn isn't a girl anymore! |
| 09:51.30 | Cairenn | am too! |
| 09:51.35 | Adys | as i said |
| 09:51.37 | Adys | not for long |
| 09:51.44 | Kalroth | walks a thin line here, but .. |
| 09:52.06 | Kalroth | actually I value my genitals, afk! |
| 09:52.30 | Adys | That would be priceless, out of context |
| 09:52.36 | krka | not a girl, not yet a woman? |
| 09:53.31 | Kalroth | well I was going to mention something about an age limit for being a girl |
| 09:53.31 | Kalroth | but I think females frown upon that |
| 09:53.35 | Adys | i was totally not talking about age |
| 09:53.37 | Cairenn | odd that arathros hasn't rejoined yet |
| 09:53.43 | Adys | not in front of Shadowed, he gets vexed. |
| 09:53.53 | Kalroth | Cairenn: He's scared of you now |
| 09:54.10 | Kalroth | You wicked, evil girl! |
| 09:56.32 | krka | he was kicked, which is generally a sign of not being wanted? |
| 09:56.58 | Kalroth | that differs a lot from channel to channel |
| 09:56.59 | zenzio | not in here |
| 09:57.52 | zenzio | I'd say that generally being kicked is a warning; being banned is a sign you're not wanted |
| 09:57.53 | Cairenn | and the fact that I was busy kicking lots of people, and we were all laughing about it .... |
| 09:58.36 | krka | why can't a warning be a simple message: "This is warning, if you keep doing this you will be kicked and/or banned" |
| 09:58.58 | krka | it's much clearer to the recipient |
| 09:59.01 | Cairenn | because there was no warning involved, I was just joking around with you guys |
| 09:59.18 | Cairenn | if I'm serious about a kick, the person knows it, trust me |
| 09:59.22 | krka | i was replying to zenzio actually :) |
| 09:59.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Arathros (~lebqzz@56341ed5.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 09:59.49 | zenzio | krka: of course you can do it that way, but since IRC distinguishes between kicking and banning, I interpret it that way |
| 10:00.17 | DWSR | is tired. |
| 10:00.19 | DWSR | can't sleep. |
| 10:00.21 | Cairenn | ah |
| 10:00.24 | Arathros | <zenzio> another quality argument from Arathros <--- and i dont see why you always have to troll |
| 10:00.41 | zenzio | haha, you clearly haven't been here long enough |
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| 10:00.53 | zenzio | I'm by far not the worst troll here |
| 10:01.02 | zenzio | or best, depending on your point of view |
| 10:01.05 | Arathros | anyway. girls in denmark sleeping with men for fast food is wrong, when they can do it for money and buy food for a week.. its like the dumbest move evah as far as i can think of |
| 10:02.51 | Arathros | I'm having a hard time comapring it to somethis other usefull . its like taking a plane from Denmark to US to France.. to go to france |
| 10:03.36 | Fisker | http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7_winvista_64bit_197.13.html <-new drivers |
| 10:03.39 | Arathros | wtf am i still drunk from last night lol.. comparing* something* |
| 10:03.48 | Arathros | Fisker wow proof? |
| 10:05.00 | Fisker | wow proof? |
| 10:05.10 | batrick | Shirik: yes |
| 10:05.37 | DWSR | Does Firefly only have two seasons? |
| 10:05.42 | DWSR | And Cairenn: SHOULDN'T YOU BE IN BED? |
| 10:05.51 | Cairenn | yes |
| 10:06.16 | Cairenn | should be asleep, even |
| 10:07.10 | olafski | < krka> why can't a warning be a simple message: "This is warning, if you keep doing this you will be kicked and/or banned" <-- |
| 10:07.22 | Fisker | Cairenn he was just shooting for "in bed" |
| 10:07.31 | zenzio | he didn't say whose bed |
| 10:07.32 | Arathros | firefly 2 seasons? wasnt it just 13 eps? |
| 10:07.45 | Cairenn | I am aware, that's why I said it ;) |
| 10:08.24 | Kalroth | \o/ |
| 10:08.26 | DWSR | hey |
| 10:08.33 | DWSR | My intentions were strictly dishonorable. |
| 10:08.40 | Cairenn | lol |
| 10:09.01 | krka | olafski: ? |
| 10:09.06 | Adys | firefly only has one season and one movie |
| 10:09.11 | Fisker | http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7_winvista_64bit_197.13.html <-lol i didn't know the GTA 4 DLC was out for PC |
| 10:09.14 | olafski | krka: that was meant as a "+1" :) |
| 10:09.25 | krka | i see |
| 10:09.38 | Arathros | No. of seasons1 |
| 10:09.38 | Arathros | No. of episodes14 |
| 10:09.44 | Arathros | so where do you see the season 2? |
| 10:10.00 | Adys | there is only one |
| 10:10.01 | krka | any way, i think joke kicks aren't really that funny, a lot of people dont have some sort of autojoin enabled, which makes you miss out on parts of the conversation going on |
| 10:10.02 | Fisker | the movie lololol? |
| 10:10.08 | DWSR | Arathros: I didn't know at all. |
| 10:10.13 | DWSR | Thought I heard about a season 2, but heh |
| 10:10.16 | Arathros | oh lol |
| 10:10.30 | olafski | krka: and many channels have an auto-ban when you use auto-rejoin :) |
| 10:10.34 | Arathros | I'm like if they restarted it. that would be awkward after the movie ;) |
| 10:10.46 | Adys | the joke kicks stopped being funny the day the channels i have +o in pretty much died |
| 10:10.56 | DWSR | Arathros: Yeah. |
| 10:10.59 | DWSR | I'm sad though |
| 10:11.02 | DWSR | It's a really good series. |
| 10:11.07 | Arathros | yeh too dam short |
| 10:11.07 | DWSR | I love me some Nathan Fillion |
| 10:11.18 | Kalroth | Adys is right |
| 10:11.26 | Arathros | did you hear how many signed some paper for keeping it going? |
| 10:11.32 | Kalroth | Adys doesn't even have autojoin |
| 10:11.43 | Arathros | 1.6 mill fans sent their request to keep it on air. lol |
| 10:12.02 | olafski | proper irc clients have autorejoin disabled by default I'd say =) |
| 10:12.14 | Arathros | lol ddos attack on someones address. send 1 mill letters to the same place ;)O |
| 10:12.16 | Arrowmaster | Arathros: but that was only a petition |
| 10:12.22 | Arrowmaster | they didnt send nuts |
| 10:12.31 | Arathros | Arrowmaster ye but still shitload did it ;) |
| 10:13.07 | Arrowmaster | it was only after the jericho incident that the studios started to actually listen a little when people bitched about a show being canceled |
| 10:13.30 | Arathros | jericho? that series with after nuclear war thing? |
| 10:13.37 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:13.47 | Arathros | i saw some of it and grew tired |
| 10:15.14 | Arathros | what happened there since there is a whole INCIDENT?! |
| 10:15.47 | Arrowmaster | http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/25/entertainment/main2851525.shtml |
| 10:16.43 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_%28TV_series%29#First_season_2 |
| 10:17.06 | Arrowmaster | Several online communities, including the official Jericho forums, launched campaigns in an effort to revive the show. Fans also sent just over 20 tons of nuts to CBS headquarters; this referred to a scene from the season one finale "Why We Fight" where Jake Green repeats General Anthony McAuliffe's historic phrase "Nuts!" from the Battle of the Bulge.[19] The peanuts and other proceeds from the donation |
| 10:17.12 | Arrowmaster | s have been donated to charities,[20] including the rebuilding effort in Greensburg, Kansas,[21] a town that was largely destroyed by a tornado in 2007. |
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| 10:17.48 | Arrowmaster | President and CEO Leslie Moonves acknowledged that he was filtering emails from Jericho fans |
| 10:18.05 | Arrowmaster | see peaceful protests dont do anything |
| 10:18.19 | Arrowmaster | you have to force them to pay attention to you |
| 10:18.37 | Arrowmaster | like dropping off 20 tons of nuts on their doorstep |
| 10:19.09 | Arathros | but what show related item could one drop off lol |
| 10:19.13 | Arathros | from firefly |
| 10:19.17 | Arathros | Strawberrys? |
| 10:19.34 | krka | Mud |
| 10:19.38 | Arathros | haha |
| 10:19.43 | Arathros | Janeville |
| 10:19.44 | Arrowmaster | too expensive for their weight |
| 10:19.52 | krka | Jaynestown |
| 10:19.55 | krka | you fail in so many ways |
| 10:20.04 | Arathros | lol been a while since i've seen it |
| 10:20.26 | krka | the hottest item to drop off would be Henricks |
| 10:20.32 | Arathros | lol |
| 10:20.41 | krka | or spelled Hendricks i guess |
| 10:21.06 | ZorbaBeta | design and build a full-scale replica of Serenity, such that it can be assembled in one night by a trained staff |
| 10:21.19 | ZorbaBeta | assemble it, in one night, without warning, on the doorstep of the most appropriate person |
| 10:21.24 | Arathros | hehe |
| 10:21.38 | Arathros | he walks into the cargo bay and we kidnap him lol |
| 10:23.00 | Arathros | hmm live size serenity hmm |
| 10:23.37 | Arrowmaster | 1:1 scale cardboard cutouts of Nathon Fillion from the episode with the laser pistol |
| 10:23.50 | Arathros | hehe |
| 10:24.02 | Arrowmaster | that will get somebodys attention |
| 10:24.50 | krka | it would work for getting Tobias Fünkes attention! |
| 10:25.29 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ATtrImCx4 |
| 10:25.32 | Adys | cool stuff |
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| 10:27.45 | Fisker | pirates are never cool |
| 10:28.38 | krka | notice that nothing is _moving_ Adys |
| 10:28.50 | Adys | there are other vids with anims |
| 10:29.07 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THaam5mwIR8 |
| 10:29.46 | Fisker | you should also have noticed that he said exactly that krka |
| 10:34.24 | Kalroth | unnnlimited |
| 10:34.35 | Adys | you love the brit accent dontcha |
| 10:34.49 | Kalroth | my chav sense is tingling |
| 10:35.21 | *** part/#wowuidev Movix (~Movix@mail.schiffmann.fr) |
| 10:36.01 | nevcairiel | Fisker: teh 197.13 drivers suck, video playback is broken now =( |
| 10:36.16 | Kalroth | nvidia drivers suck |
| 10:36.27 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1623 |
| 10:40.04 | Fisker | NO Nechckn |
| 10:40.06 | Fisker | nevcairiel * |
| 10:41.33 | Fisker | works here |
| 10:41.39 | Fisker | What's your problem? |
| 10:41.53 | nevcairiel | using any kind of EVR renderer causes massive frame drops |
| 10:42.06 | Fisker | EVR? |
| 10:42.20 | nevcairiel | enhanced video renderer, a new ms thing :d |
| 10:42.44 | Fisker | giev a sample movie |
| 10:42.52 | nevcairiel | any i tried |
| 10:43.17 | nevcairiel | from some old low quality xvid encode to a recent h264 movie |
| 10:43.29 | Fisker | well how do i find out if i'm using the EVR renderer? |
| 10:43.43 | nevcairiel | what player? |
| 10:43.44 | Arrowmaster | what player are you using? |
| 10:43.55 | Arrowmaster | i think WMP in vista and higher probably uses it |
| 10:44.12 | nevcairiel | you notice when oyu use the overlay renderer, aero turns off with it :d |
| 10:44.27 | Fisker | well WMP runs fine |
| 10:44.32 | Fisker | MPC is "EVR Custom Preset" |
| 10:44.36 | Fisker | and also runs fine |
| 10:44.42 | nevcairiel | why doesnt mine =( |
| 10:45.29 | Fisker | did you install while watching a movie? |
| 10:45.33 | nevcairiel | no |
| 10:45.37 | nevcairiel | i even rebooted! |
| 10:45.44 | Fisker | weird |
| 10:45.50 | Fisker | well i didn't reboot |
| 10:45.54 | Fisker | maybe that's the problem :P |
| 10:46.03 | nevcairiel | lagged before reboot too :P |
| 10:46.13 | Fisker | oh |
| 10:47.08 | Fisker | are you using an ati card? :P |
| 10:48.30 | nevcairiel | so thats why the nvidia driver doesnt work? |
| 10:48.48 | Fisker | that was my idea! |
| 10:48.50 | Fisker | :P |
| 10:49.59 | nevcairiel | aha, it was because i had turned on 10bit rgb handling |
| 10:50.09 | Fisker | lol |
| 10:50.15 | Fisker | why would anyone want strength/haste gems? |
| 10:50.59 | Arathros | Fisker because they dont understand how blizzard ruined the game ;) |
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| 10:52.07 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: 10bit rgb handling? |
| 10:52.52 | Arathros | is christina hendricks from firefly the old woman in ncis? |
| 10:53.15 | nevcairiel | you know how it has to convert colorspaces before sending it to the monitor? if its doing internal calcs in 10bit instead of the default 8bit, you get less rounding errors |
| 10:54.12 | Arrowmaster | Arathros: ncis la? |
| 10:54.34 | Arathros | naa thats a midget ;P |
| 10:54.47 | Arathros | 2 sec imdb'ing |
| 10:54.49 | nevcairiel | mm something else is broken in the driver |
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| 10:57.01 | DWSR | I just saw Link <The Hero of Time> |
| 11:00.04 | Arathros | imdb broken.. ? |
| 11:00.20 | Arathros | st. patricks day today? |
| 11:01.27 | DWSR | Yep |
| 11:01.32 | DWSR | Google says it, therefore it must be true |
| 11:01.38 | Arathros | ye |
| 11:01.52 | Arathros | that means a dormie has B-day dammit present i need a cake.. shopping time lol |
| 11:07.07 | Arrowmaster | hmm 3gigs for a 720p video thats just under an hour long, this better have a lot of action scenes in it to need this high of a bitrate |
| 11:09.27 | haste | or just a lot of smoking! |
| 11:09.39 | Arrowmaster | its an anime |
| 11:09.56 | haste | which? |
| 11:09.59 | nevcairiel | animes dont follow scene rules? :d |
| 11:10.07 | Arrowmaster | hell no |
| 11:10.15 | Arrowmaster | scene rules suck |
| 11:10.17 | haste | animes use a lot of different colors tho' |
| 11:10.29 | nevcairiel | they are painted, they use less colors :P |
| 11:10.39 | haste | lies! |
| 11:10.49 | haste | not with all the filters in todays movies |
| 11:11.00 | haste | also BLOOOOOOOM |
| 11:11.14 | haste | I still wonder which! |
| 11:11.15 | nevcairiel | besides, colors dont matter |
| 11:11.39 | Arrowmaster | a lot of anime encodes also tend to be even higher than h264 5.1 profile |
| 11:11.54 | nevcairiel | which is silly |
| 11:11.56 | haste | that's because the also transcode |
| 11:11.59 | DWSR | WTB OK and HoS getting removed from the dungeon finder. |
| 11:12.12 | haste | unless they have TS raws, but not too many use those |
| 11:12.32 | Arrowmaster | the ones i watch have TS raws |
| 11:12.39 | Arrowmaster | but im watching a bd rip right now |
| 11:13.00 | nevcairiel | its a freaking anime, you wont even notice a higher compression |
| 11:13.25 | haste | need better drawn nipples! |
| 11:13.40 | Arrowmaster | actually by using higher than 5.1 profile they get better compression |
| 11:14.14 | nevcairiel | the profiles pretty much just define the video bitrate and compression features used |
| 11:15.33 | nevcairiel | the 5.1 is actually the level and not the profile |
| 11:15.45 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 11:16.02 | Arrowmaster | i think it has something to do with number or spacing of bframes |
| 11:16.41 | Adys | Kalroth: fondle my clover you magnificent beast |
| 11:17.01 | nevcairiel | there are no (free) encoders that support the high quality profiles fully |
| 11:17.08 | Arrowmaster | i think the anime encoders like to use bframes=16 which puts it higher than level 5.1 |
| 11:18.10 | Fisker | haste |
| 11:19.14 | Fisker | Arrowmaster? |
| 11:19.46 | nevcairiel | x264 docs say that the automagic bframes choise is the best choise |
| 11:19.55 | nevcairiel | anything higher then 3 or 4 will have little to no effect |
| 11:20.08 | DWSR | choise? |
| 11:20.15 | Arrowmaster | oh wait i think its ref=16 they like to use that puts it out of the predefined levels |
| 11:21.08 | nevcairiel | frameref at that high values dont do anything good |
| 11:21.15 | nevcairiel | they just take aaaaggeeess to encode |
| 11:22.13 | nevcairiel | but as long as you also have cabac on, it at least wont hurt your encoding efficiency |
| 11:22.39 | Arrowmaster | you should see how fast x264 is in linux on an i7 |
| 11:23.21 | nevcairiel | ref=16 will still increase the encoding time by i bet 75-100% for no measurable gain |
| 11:23.24 | Fisker | nevcairiel! |
| 11:23.36 | nevcairiel | at least according to x264 documents |
| 11:23.41 | nevcairiel | i dont have tools to measure that anyway |
| 11:23.45 | nevcairiel | its far beyond perception :P |
| 11:29.30 | Arrowmaster | ok yeah this does have some really intense action scenes and really high quality 6 channel sound so its not a waste of space so far |
| 11:30.09 | nevcairiel | anime people are all completly nuts anyway |
| 11:30.42 | Arrowmaster | i cant tell you what its encoded at, they blanked out the metadata, its all 0's |
| 11:30.57 | nevcairiel | see, i told you, nuts |
| 11:31.42 | Arrowmaster | its THORA, they arent exactly known for their technical abilities, just their high quality bluray sources |
| 11:33.09 | nevcairiel | as long as people are competent enough to keep audio in DTS and dont recode it into DD because its 20% smalelr, i'm happy |
| 11:33.42 | Arrowmaster | its got both the DTS and AC3 |
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| 11:34.51 | cbreak | x264 can print out statistics at the end, like how many consecutive bframes it created. I found the most I got was 4 or 5, but that was a very small number, below 1% |
| 11:35.01 | nevcairiel | I wish BD rips would actually come with the DTS-HD or THD audio, but guess that would be alot of file size ;) |
| 11:35.12 | cbreak | same with reference frames I think |
| 11:35.32 | Fisker | free fu |
| 11:35.34 | Fisker | for u |
| 11:36.05 | nevcairiel | well actually, DTS-HD doesnt help unless i finally manage to bitstream that to my receiver |
| 11:36.12 | nevcairiel | no free decoders for it out yet |
| 11:37.09 | Arrowmaster | converting to flac preserves higher than 5.1 sound and takes up less space |
| 11:37.36 | nevcairiel | i dont think i've ever seen a BD rip with flac audio |
| 11:38.39 | nevcairiel | but converting DTS-HD to flac would still need a DTS-HD decoder |
| 11:38.41 | DWSR | Quick, I need a comedy. |
| 11:38.44 | DWSR | err. |
| 11:38.48 | DWSR | A stand up comedian. |
| 11:38.58 | DWSR | So that I can not go insane when skilling up mining. |
| 11:39.11 | Arrowmaster | i dont have many bd rips and i dont think i have any with flac either but i read about it somewhere |
| 11:39.29 | nevcairiel | yeah i read it too |
| 11:39.33 | Cairenn | DWSR: chan 46 :p |
| 11:39.33 | nevcairiel | b ut didnt see it yet |
| 11:39.45 | DWSR | Cairenn: Can't watch TV and play wow at the same time, unfortunately. |
| 11:39.53 | Cairenn | nod |
| 11:39.54 | DWSR | Cairenn: Also, Comedy's staticy in rez. |
| 11:41.18 | Cairenn | bleh |
| 11:43.06 | cbreak | there are three seasons of sayonara zetsubou sensei. |
| 11:43.27 | cbreak | not really standup comedy, what ever that is, but fun. |
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| 12:02.14 | Fisker | hello Torhal |
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| 12:28.58 | Adys | Youtube's voice recon |
| 12:29.00 | Adys | wins hard |
| 12:29.03 | Adys | "If your resolution is 1024x768" => "If your resolutions wanted to form seven sixty nine" |
| 12:29.11 | Adys | polygons have a lot of problems => republicans have a lot of problems |
| 12:30.30 | haste | the one on my android is pretty decent at least |
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| 12:30.45 | haste | guess it depends a lot on input noise and such tho' |
| 12:31.19 | haste | then again, I don't really use it that often :p |
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| 12:33.43 | Kalroth | what kind of input noise? Fisker level or something lower like an atombomb? |
| 12:33.47 | Torhal | This is me, stopping you, Fisker |
| 12:34.57 | theorbtwo | Strange. |
| 12:35.21 | theorbtwo | I would have thought that Android and Youtube would use the same voice recognition, more or less, as both are google. |
| 12:36.07 | cbreak | android is an OS |
| 12:36.11 | cbreak | youtube is a web page |
| 12:36.47 | cbreak | android is based on java, sort of |
| 12:36.59 | cbreak | youtube is based on adobe flash |
| 12:37.44 | theorbtwo | cbreak: Based on flash on the client side. I assume the voice recognition is done on the server side. |
| 12:38.28 | cbreak | I wouldn't trust flash with my microphone input... who knows who will get access to that |
| 12:38.38 | cbreak | maybe some random flash advertizement |
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| 12:49.53 | haste | Kalroth: static noise from a bad microphone, general noise in the background (tv, people, pets, etc) |
| 12:50.47 | Zyonin | A bit late to the conversion, however Android is not based on Java, Android is a Linux variant. |
| 12:52.24 | Arrowmaster | android runs java apps, sorta |
| 12:53.02 | Zyonin | Most OSes can run Java apps if there is a run-time built for it |
| 12:53.37 | Zyonin | Most mobile phone OSes have a Java run-time built into so they can run mobile Java apps |
| 12:54.39 | Arathros | i hate flash based mobiles |
| 12:55.17 | Arathros | i got a usefull question.. when do they start making fast working mobiles instead of lame ass graphic lagging animations. because it looks cool on normal phones |
| 12:57.42 | haste | you mean like the ones they are starting to release with 1GHz snapdragon and so on? |
| 13:00.55 | cbreak | How is android a linux variant? |
| 13:01.06 | cbreak | don't you mix that up with maemo? |
| 13:01.44 | Adys | its kernel is based on linux |
| 13:03.05 | nevcairiel | google is even working on bringing its changes into the main tree again |
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| 13:04.30 | ZorbaBeta | how is android not a linux variant? :P |
| 13:04.52 | cbreak | http://sites.google.com/site/io/anatomy--physiology-of-an-android |
| 13:04.55 | cbreak | interesting |
| 13:05.26 | Fisker | NO! |
| 13:08.23 | Zyonin | Android, Maemo, LiMo, Access Linux Platform, Palm's WebOS are all Linux variants |
| 13:08.52 | Zyonin | Linux is rather popular in the mobile space these days and competes with iPhoneOS and Symbian |
| 13:10.12 | cbreak | I read that microsoft is trying to advertize their windows mobile 7 series thing. |
| 13:10.34 | cbreak | wonder what those blackberries use, they seem to be more popular than iPhones |
| 13:10.45 | nevcairiel | symbian is dead anyway |
| 13:11.01 | nevcairiel | blackberry is a business phone, iphone is the toy phone |
| 13:12.01 | cbreak | symbian is used for lots of unsmart phones I thought |
| 13:12.01 | Zyonin | RIM uses their own OS. While Blackberries are currently more popular than iPhones, that is changing. RIM's market share is shrinking with iPhone and Android taking that market share |
| 13:12.07 | cbreak | like, most phones are |
| 13:12.22 | nevcairiel | and i thought we were talking about smart phones =P |
| 13:12.38 | Zyonin | Correct, however Symbian is used for some smart phones. |
| 13:12.45 | nevcairiel | old ones |
| 13:12.59 | nevcairiel | its an inferior platform |
| 13:13.33 | cbreak | probably why Nokia bought Trolltech's Qt |
| 13:13.48 | nevcairiel | its the backbone of their new shit |
| 13:13.51 | cbreak | to be able to easier get away from S60 |
| 13:14.04 | Zyonin | Symbian is used a lot in Asian smartphones |
| 13:14.20 | Zyonin | In the US and Europe, iPhone, RIM and Android rule |
| 13:14.22 | nevcairiel | i still dislike Qt, they should stick to UI and not provide a whole freaking operating system |
| 13:14.30 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.33 | Adys | why nevcairiel? |
| 13:14.38 | Zyonin | Qt is only a toolkit, it's not an OS\ |
| 13:14.40 | haste | that's the main reason I dislike it as well |
| 13:14.42 | Adys | its harder to embed, sure |
| 13:14.47 | haste | Zyonin: only a kernel away! |
| 13:14.50 | cbreak | Qt offers abstraction |
| 13:14.57 | Adys | but it still makes it a very powerful toolkit |
| 13:15.11 | cbreak | not only GUI abstraction, but also file system, and many other things |
| 13:15.11 | nevcairiel | it abstracts *everything* that doesnt even need abstraction because its covered by C standards |
| 13:15.28 | Adys | but thats not always true |
| 13:15.32 | cbreak | it's OpenGL abstraction is kind of neat |
| 13:15.48 | nevcairiel | isnt opengl already supposed to be an abstraction of gfx apis? ;) |
| 13:15.52 | cbreak | without it, windows only supports OpenGL 1.1 |
| 13:15.53 | Adys | you end up with tons of conditionals for windows, some more for mac and some more for linux, even using gtk |
| 13:16.09 | ZorbaBeta | the problem, as I see it, is that when people write libraries they usually come up with a list of things they want to accomplish |
| 13:16.17 | Adys | the whole point of using qt is the whole Write-Once |
| 13:16.18 | cbreak | (without toying around with WGL) |
| 13:16.21 | ZorbaBeta | they very rarely sit down and come up with a list of things they explicitly *don't* want to accomplish |
| 13:16.30 | nevcairiel | i am just no fan of big-ass framework things |
| 13:16.32 | ZorbaBeta | so every library inevitably trends towards becoming an operating system |
| 13:16.37 | nevcairiel | i like small libs that do their job |
| 13:16.42 | nevcairiel | and only their job |
| 13:16.46 | ZorbaBeta | nev, like lua? :D |
| 13:16.52 | cbreak | Qt does only it's job |
| 13:16.59 | nevcairiel | which is everything |
| 13:16.59 | cbreak | not perfectly yet |
| 13:17.06 | cbreak | TOTAL SYSTEM ABSTRACTION! |
| 13:17.22 | Adys | nevcairiel: qt only does its job, but its job is a lot more than just UI |
| 13:17.42 | nevcairiel | But i define the job i need it for |
| 13:17.44 | nevcairiel | not it |
| 13:17.59 | nevcairiel | so if i want a UI toolkit, i end up with alot of other shit |
| 13:18.16 | cbreak | so windows sucks because it's not good for the job I chose to use it for? (Cleaning toilets) |
| 13:18.18 | Adys | which is why Qt is split into a lot of modules |
| 13:18.29 | Adys | the Qt UI is not that big |
| 13:18.43 | cbreak | QtGUI requires QtCore |
| 13:19.00 | nevcairiel | QtUI is the biggest of the modules :d |
| 13:19.08 | nevcairiel | well probably short of QtWebKit |
| 13:19.22 | cbreak | it contains all kinds of widgets |
| 13:19.41 | cbreak | abstraction layers for MVC and so on |
| 13:19.58 | Adys | to be honest |
| 13:20.12 | Adys | the whole application model these days is a very deep abstraction model |
| 13:20.22 | Adys | layer, above layer, above layer, ... and so on |
| 13:20.31 | Adys | which is one of the issues google is attempting to tackle |
| 13:21.00 | nevcairiel | tbh i wouldnt use C++ to write an app anyway, way too lazy |
| 13:21.10 | nevcairiel | probably just get Python and use PyQt4 or PyGTK |
| 13:21.10 | Adys | pyqt =) |
| 13:21.16 | Adys | fuck |
| 13:21.17 | Adys | pygtk |
| 13:21.18 | Adys | are you insane |
| 13:21.59 | nevcairiel | PyQt4 abstracts all the evil out of Qt, you don't have to use all the silly QtCore Data Strcuctures and blackbox moc generation |
| 13:22.31 | ZorbaBeta | I forget, does Qt use std::string or did they invent their own string type? |
| 13:22.36 | nevcairiel | QString |
| 13:22.39 | Adys | Qstring |
| 13:22.40 | ZorbaBeta | oy |
| 13:22.45 | cbreak | they have their own |
| 13:22.51 | nevcairiel | It doesnt use *any* C++ standard data type |
| 13:23.00 | cbreak | but it's better than std::string |
| 13:23.18 | cbreak | it's more like a 2 byte char string |
| 13:23.43 | cbreak | it also contains some transformation methods to and from UTF |
| 13:23.47 | nevcairiel | its a wrapper around QByteArray that understands encodings |
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| 13:24.46 | haste | which is wrapped around QtBLARGH which is wrapped aroung QtARGH which is ... |
| 13:25.00 | Adys | whats wrong with subclassing? :P |
| 13:25.25 | nevcairiel | whats wrong with byte[] ? |
| 13:25.33 | nevcairiel | or char[] for that matter :P |
| 13:25.37 | ZorbaBeta | QLol |
| 13:25.54 | haste | dislikes multiple levels of inheritance and "deep" classes |
| 13:26.00 | cbreak | nevcairiel: you meant short[]? |
| 13:26.07 | ZorbaBeta | QOmg |
| 13:26.07 | Adys | haste: why? |
| 13:26.14 | Adys | ZorbaBeta: QQ |
| 13:26.18 | Adys | see what i did there? |
| 13:26.30 | haste | because it usually adds needless complications |
| 13:26.53 | krka | subclassing sucks, favor composition over inheritance |
| 13:27.18 | cbreak | subclassing is needed if you want to pass your thing to something that expects your parent |
| 13:27.20 | Adys | er |
| 13:27.34 | krka | depends on what language you're using |
| 13:27.38 | haste | ar |
| 13:27.51 | krka | java distinguishes contracts (interfaces) and inheritance (extending classes) |
| 13:28.03 | krka | so pass around interfaces, not base classes |
| 13:28.12 | cbreak | programs Objective-C at the moment. It allows things C++ can't even dream of. |
| 13:28.20 | nevcairiel | interfaces are usually not supported by languages with multiple inheritance |
| 13:28.21 | nevcairiel | like c++ |
| 13:28.30 | cbreak | in C++, interfaces are just classes |
| 13:29.19 | nevcairiel | i cant stand the weird syntax of Obj-C |
| 13:29.32 | nevcairiel | plus i cant stand that i would need a freaking mac to even try it properly |
| 13:29.37 | cbreak | you'll like Objective-C 2.0 |
| 13:29.45 | cbreak | it has even weirder syntax :) |
| 13:29.49 | ZorbaBeta | I really haven't seen a good argument for objective-C yet, or any description of what makes it, you know, *better* |
| 13:30.06 | Adys | ZorbaBeta: I haven't seen one for C# either |
| 13:30.06 | Adys | :P |
| 13:30.07 | cbreak | better in what way? |
| 13:30.14 | nevcairiel | I like Java for my static needs, and Python for the dynamic days |
| 13:30.17 | ZorbaBeta | cbreak, *any* way. |
| 13:30.22 | cbreak | than C++? |
| 13:30.40 | ZorbaBeta | sure, than C++. I'll take that. |
| 13:30.43 | cbreak | it doesn't need subclassing for everything, it's highly extensible |
| 13:31.02 | ZorbaBeta | extensible in what respect? what can you actually do? |
| 13:31.22 | cbreak | for example, every type is a subclass of NSObject |
| 13:31.31 | nevcairiel | i heard a short seminar about OO in Obj-C once, i wasnt really impressed |
| 13:31.39 | cbreak | one of them is NSString |
| 13:31.41 | ZorbaBeta | I mean seriously I'm looking for "Objective-C programs like this, but C++ programs like this!" so I can respond "ha ha, that's true, we're so lame" |
| 13:31.43 | krka | i liked the strong naming in obj-c |
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| 13:31.56 | cbreak | say you want to add a new method to all strings |
| 13:32.17 | cbreak | in C++ you would make a subclass that has that new method |
| 13:32.29 | ZorbaBeta | in C++ i'd just make a free function actually :P |
| 13:32.30 | cbreak | in Objective-C you can just add that method to all strings |
| 13:32.42 | ZorbaBeta | I'll admit that's cool, but it does seem kind of syntactic-sugary |
| 13:32.44 | Adys | and in python you can do both |
| 13:32.45 | Adys | \o/ |
| 13:32.58 | cbreak | in objective-c you can have free functions too... |
| 13:33.03 | Adys | and agreed with ZorbaBeta, that doesn't sound anything like a "feature", just sugar |
| 13:33.10 | krka | sugar is also features |
| 13:33.27 | zenzio | most languages are just sugar |
| 13:33.31 | cbreak | an other nice thing is key-value coding |
| 13:33.32 | krka | "that's not a feature, it just makes code more readable or easier to write or reduces duplication" |
| 13:33.44 | ZorbaBeta | krka, there's a difference between sugar-it-saves-you-a-small-amount-of-typing and sugar-it-enables-complex-stuff-that-would-be-a-pain-otherwise |
| 13:33.53 | cbreak | you can define classes with special set/get methods for properties |
| 13:33.55 | Adys | aye |
| 13:34.01 | ZorbaBeta | the latter, templates, for example - there's no really *good* way to do C++ templates without, well, C++ templates |
| 13:34.09 | cbreak | like setValue and value |
| 13:34.19 | ZorbaBeta | and it enables a whole pile of metaprogramming stuff that, while horrifying, is still incredibly useful |
| 13:34.37 | cbreak | a syntactic sugar for that is dot-syntax like you know from C structs |
| 13:34.55 | cbreak | but a very nice thing for that is key-value-coding |
| 13:35.05 | cbreak | and key-value-observing |
| 13:35.21 | cbreak | you can ask any instance to be informed when a certain value changes |
| 13:36.17 | ZorbaBeta | that's potentially cool. although I'm curious what sort of overhead that creates - is that just for properties, or is that for any member? |
| 13:36.41 | cbreak | properties |
| 13:36.48 | cbreak | you can declare properties for members |
| 13:36.57 | cbreak | and automatically synthesize the accessors |
| 13:37.04 | cbreak | or you can declare them and define the methods yourself |
| 13:37.15 | cbreak | the overhead is there if you use it |
| 13:37.23 | cbreak | so not until you actually start observing |
| 13:37.58 | ZorbaBeta | well, doesn't there have to be *some* overhead just to store the bit saying "hey this might be observed at some point"? I mean, observing is a runtime thing, not a compiletime thing, right? |
| 13:38.18 | cbreak | observing is at runtime, yes |
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| 13:38.30 | cbreak | so until you want to observe it, there's no overhead |
| 13:38.54 | ZorbaBeta | yeah I don't buy that, there has to be at least a null pointer for the list-of-things-observing-me |
| 13:38.56 | cbreak | (no overhead in addition to the already present messege passing overhead... it's probably a bit slower than C++ VCalls) |
| 13:39.08 | cbreak | oh, that's part of the normal class metadata |
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| 13:39.27 | cbreak | properties aren't just for observing |
| 13:39.52 | cbreak | example: MyThing class, has property name |
| 13:40.06 | cbreak | so you can do myThingInstance.name = newName; |
| 13:40.21 | cbreak | or old syntax [myThingInstance setName:newName] |
| 13:40.43 | cbreak | if you say you want to observe the name of that instance |
| 13:40.52 | cbreak | then the overhead gets introduced |
| 13:41.11 | cbreak | (I read the isa pointer of the instance gets exchanged with a dynamic proxy) |
| 13:41.26 | cbreak | that's about equivalent to changing the vtable of an instance at runtime |
| 13:41.31 | ZorbaBeta | curious |
| 13:41.48 | zenzio | I've worked with Objective-C (for the iPhone) for about a year now; and I've come to find it to be pretty good. I don't think I'd choose it for non-iPhone/Mac projects, but the language isn't as horrid as it can seem when you're new to it (I know I didn't like it at first) |
| 13:42.04 | krka | language is ok, xcode is horrible |
| 13:42.23 | zenzio | not certain I'd say horrible, but it does have room for improvement |
| 13:42.53 | cbreak | I like xcode |
| 13:43.12 | nevcairiel | What i've seen from it, it seemed to more block the developer then help him |
| 13:43.20 | nevcairiel | but maybe the guy was just using it wrong |
| 13:43.26 | cbreak | it helps me |
| 13:43.27 | zenzio | Xcode? |
| 13:43.48 | cbreak | at least it helps me enough so I prefer it above using makefiles |
| 13:43.58 | nevcairiel | it doesnt need much to do that :d |
| 13:44.09 | cbreak | indeed |
| 13:44.16 | cbreak | but still, it is beneficial :) |
| 13:44.22 | cbreak | and I haven't had many complaints |
| 13:44.55 | zenzio | I find it does some things different to how I'm used to, or would have liked, but not in a way I consider "wrong" |
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| 13:45.17 | cbreak | one of my complaints was that it only supported SVN and Perforce, and not git |
| 13:45.43 | zenzio | my main gripe is when I'm just editing code and it randomly decides to crash. I'm not sure if it's related to when it attempts to show code completion and I quickly backspace and confuse it |
| 13:46.15 | cbreak | hmm. It hasn't crashed on me since I got snow leopard (about a year ago) |
| 13:47.23 | zenzio | I'm still on Leopard. Going to upgrade it once I'm not in the middle of a project, don't want to go through the whole certificate/provisioning/whatever else it was setup related to the iPhone |
| 13:47.32 | zenzio | confuses me every time |
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| 13:48.23 | cbreak | don't know what you mean |
| 13:48.36 | zenzio | have you worked with iPhone coding? |
| 13:48.43 | cbreak | no, just OS X |
| 13:49.39 | cbreak | the snow leopard api is in some ways better than 10.5 |
| 13:49.55 | cbreak | so I just use it and make the app require snow leopard :) |
| 13:50.14 | zenzio | well, I don't recall the details since I've only set it up once or twice, but you need some sort of certificates in Keychain to be allowed to sign your appliactions for distribution on the app store |
| 13:50.32 | cbreak | oh, I created one of those for codesigning on OS X |
| 13:50.57 | cbreak | you don't need to do it again |
| 13:51.09 | zenzio | basically I'm not certain what I can just back up and what I need to do anew if I upgrade, so I'm just waiting until I'm between projects :-p |
| 13:51.26 | cbreak | I just installed SL and was done. |
| 13:51.43 | zenzio | on top of Leopard or clean install? |
| 13:51.51 | cbreak | on top of leopard |
| 13:52.30 | zenzio | how well does that work? I haven't tried that stuff since Win 98 or something, I think |
| 13:52.41 | zenzio | paranoia leads me to do clean install |
| 13:52.44 | zenzio | +s |
| 13:53.39 | cbreak | how well? |
| 13:53.39 | cbreak | it worked |
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| 13:59.32 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:03.39 | Adys | anyone else disturbed by this? region:setPoint{xOffset = 5, point=TOPLEFT, yOffset=5, region=UIParent} |
| 14:04.10 | Adys | or is this seriously the standard way to have kwargs |
| 14:04.44 | nevcairiel | no its not |
| 14:05.03 | Adys | what is then? |
| 14:05.14 | nevcairiel | is there a standard? |
| 14:05.20 | Adys | thats what i said |
| 14:05.32 | nevcairiel | that way surely works |
| 14:05.32 | cbreak | that's how you do named parameters |
| 14:05.33 | Adys | but i mean, if you do want kwargs |
| 14:05.38 | nevcairiel | but it adds evil table creation |
| 14:05.53 | Adys | eh, not so bothered about that bit |
| 14:05.54 | cbreak | I don't know what kwargs are |
| 14:06.03 | Adys | kwargs = keyword args = named params :P |
| 14:06.05 | cbreak | but you get a single argument containing a table |
| 14:06.27 | nevcairiel | Whats so wrong with that way there then, Adys? |
| 14:06.39 | Adys | i dunno, it just feels wrong |
| 14:06.41 | nevcairiel | I just wouldnt touch it due to the unneccesary tables |
| 14:06.57 | Adys | well even in python when you do **kw it creates a dict |
| 14:07.09 | amro | nevcairiel: they are necessary |
| 14:07.16 | cbreak | the abovely used table constructor syntax is for maps too |
| 14:07.19 | amro | if they were unnecessary, they wouldn't be there |
| 14:07.21 | nevcairiel | amro: they are not, i can use normal arguments |
| 14:07.31 | amro | nevcairiel: which are not keyword arguments |
| 14:07.34 | amro | I think you're missing the point here |
| 14:07.36 | Adys | nevcairiel: point is about implementing keyword args |
| 14:07.53 | nevcairiel | you can't easily just implement a language feature without some silly drawback |
| 14:07.59 | nevcairiel | like, memory churn :d |
| 14:07.59 | cbreak | in objective C |
| 14:08.09 | Adys | yes, in lisp you can as well cbreak |
| 14:08.12 | cbreak | you just pass an NSDictionary instance :) |
| 14:08.14 | Arathros | Adys is that even possible? |
| 14:08.21 | amro | yes, it is |
| 14:08.22 | Adys | its valid code |
| 14:08.28 | zenzio | ... I read that as "memory of C'thun"... |
| 14:08.38 | Adys | !item memory of |
| 14:08.38 | Adys | Adys: Memory of Malygos - http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50636/memory-of-malygos/ |
| 14:08.41 | Adys | !item memory of c |
| 14:08.41 | Adys | Adys: item 'memory of c' not found |
| 14:08.42 | Adys | :( |
| 14:08.53 | Arathros | hmmwatch boom-de-yada |
| 14:08.53 | Adys | !item c'thun |
| 14:08.53 | Adys | Adys: Eye of C'Thun - http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/21221/eye-of-c-thun/ |
| 14:09.20 | Adys | cbreak: in python, you just do func(arg, **kwargs) |
| 14:09.34 | nevcairiel | we're talking about Lua, not Obj-C or Lisp, or Python :P |
| 14:09.34 | Adys | expands a dict to keyword args |
| 14:09.39 | cbreak | sounds insecure |
| 14:09.43 | Adys | or you can do directly (arg, arg2=foo) |
| 14:09.44 | nevcairiel | especially in the context of WoW |
| 14:09.47 | cbreak | can it hide globals? |
| 14:09.50 | Adys | er, its very secure :P |
| 14:09.57 | nevcairiel | where excessive memory creation has drawbacks |
| 14:09.59 | Adys | hide globals? |
| 14:10.06 | Adys | nevcairiel: this is outside of wow |
| 14:10.22 | nevcairiel | It had :setPoint and the typical wow arguments |
| 14:10.26 | nevcairiel | was safe to assume :P |
| 14:10.29 | Adys | actually wow is :SetPoint |
| 14:10.36 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 14:10.43 | nevcairiel | but you need a wrapper to allow the kwargs |
| 14:10.47 | nevcairiel | now dont you! |
| 14:10.53 | amro | exactly why this isnt' about wow :P |
| 14:10.58 | Adys | yeah well screw you and your logic |
| 14:10.58 | Adys | :P |
| 14:11.06 | Adys | anyway fair enough |
| 14:12.34 | nevcairiel | if memory and gc cpu cycles are not relevant for your application, i dont see whats wrong with that |
| 14:13.41 | Adys | its still for a 3d app |
| 14:13.46 | Adys | is the impact that big? |
| 14:13.54 | nevcairiel | depends when and how often you call it |
| 14:13.56 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 14:13.57 | amro | it's not |
| 14:13.59 | amro | yeah |
| 14:14.18 | cbreak | I think it's better if you use normal parameters |
| 14:14.34 | cbreak | if it is not totally needed to use named ones |
| 14:14.36 | nevcairiel | kwargs are nice, but not cruicial enough for me to use the table hack |
| 14:14.51 | Adys | thats also what i said :/ |
| 14:14.51 | nevcairiel | especially because handling them in the function is really wordy |
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| 14:15.09 | cbreak | handling them inside the function is probably wordy too |
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| 14:48.42 | tlund | Arrowmaster: if you have some spare time some day, please have a look at http://www.wowace.com/addons/libjostle-3-0/tickets/1-lib-jostle-clashes-with-golden-ticket/ its been in status "New" for quite some time now :) |
| 14:53.05 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/715/ |
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| 15:03.07 | Lopeppeppy | I love the flyover text. |
| 15:03.43 | Adys | wrong, Lopeppeppy |
| 15:03.48 | Adys | "I love the title-text!" |
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| 15:06.57 | Cidwel | hallow all |
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| 15:12.37 | Kraps | paper clips are fun |
| 15:16.36 | foxlit | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_wants_to_be_your_one_true_login.php << scroll down to comments |
| 15:20.32 | Cide | that's awesome foxlit |
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| 15:22.42 | kneeki | Hrm, what am I doing wrong here? local SPELL_NAME, DISPLAY, HEX_COLOR = SpellsByName[CLASS][i] |
| 15:23.29 | kneeki | they are returning nil, I don't have to do SpellsByName[CLASS][i][1], SpellsByName[CLASS][i][2], SpellsByName[CLASS][i][3], do i? |
| 15:23.57 | nevcairiel | either that or unpack() |
| 15:24.03 | kneeki | ahh! |
| 15:24.28 | kneeki | ty :) |
| 15:25.03 | Fisker | foxlit Cide |
| 15:26.04 | Fisker | btw the day that facebook becomes some sort of mandatory login is the time skynet takes control and the post-apocalypse war ensues |
| 15:27.08 | Lunessa | All loyal citizens will become happy on that day. |
| 15:30.13 | Kraps | suspects that Lunessa is part of the robot revolution |
| 15:31.18 | Lunessa | I for one welcome our Robot Overlords. |
| 15:33.12 | Kraps | so is it true that ranged dps have shorter queues than melee dps? |
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| 15:34.00 | Lunessa | Not that I'm aware of. |
| 15:34.23 | Fisker | http://www.ted.com/talks/jane_mcgonigal_gaming_can_make_a_better_world.html <-lolwat |
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| 15:36.25 | Fisker | hayha |
| 15:36.26 | Fisker | haha |
| 15:36.43 | Fisker | especially in world of warcraft everyone is willing to let you embark on this mission to save the world |
| 15:36.49 | Fisker | no, link gearscore and achievement |
| 15:37.05 | stupiddigmouse | /slap Fisker |
| 15:37.16 | Fisker | no u stupiddigmouse |
| 15:37.47 | stupiddigmouse | /Evasion |
| 15:38.01 | olafski | she wants to make it as easy to save the real world as to save the world in online games? |
| 15:38.06 | olafski | e.g. make online games impossible to play |
| 15:38.52 | Kraps | foxlit: i dont get the comments |
| 15:38.53 | Fisker | I think she thinks that gaming adds a lot of qualities to people that would make them better at solving problems? |
| 15:39.17 | olafski | hahahaha solving OBESITY by playing games? |
| 15:39.27 | Kraps | are they serious? |
| 15:39.40 | olafski | I don't know |
| 15:39.42 | olafski | she sounds serious |
| 15:39.57 | Fisker | Kraps (aka Kraft) is talking about the facebook thing i think |
| 15:40.21 | Lunessa | Actually she doesn't sound crazy. She sounds like she had an epiphany and she's trying to share it with other people. |
| 15:40.22 | olafski | oh |
| 15:40.25 | olafski | yeah I bet they are serious about that |
| 15:40.48 | Kraps | why would people thing that than site is FB? |
| 15:41.11 | Adys | foxlit: you know its scary all these people can't even properly spell facebook |
| 15:41.20 | Adys | it's a wonder they even managed to log in the first time |
| 15:41.37 | foxlit | I find it scary that the crowd of people committing atrocities against the english language are apparently all elderly grandmothers. |
| 15:42.19 | olafski | adys: "I like the new faceback, can I log in now pls" |
| 15:42.22 | Fisker | oh my wowwiki was mentioned |
| 15:42.26 | Lunessa | Kraps: That article is optimized to show up when you type Facebook login into a search box. And lots of people don't know how to use the address bar and just use the default search input. |
| 15:42.33 | Adys | olafski: wait until you see the rest of the back |
| 15:42.43 | olafski | :D |
| 15:42.45 | Adys | namely, I'm thinking of showing you my assback |
| 15:42.45 | foxlit | Interestingly, facebook login gets me facebook.com in google. |
| 15:42.49 | foxlit | Perhaps they fixed it since then. |
| 15:43.04 | Kraps | wow epic fail |
| 15:43.05 | Adys | shows his legbacks to Kalroth |
| 15:43.34 | foxlit | "Wikia's gaming sites include news leaks and screen shots about soon-to-be-released games and detailed reporting by fans that far exceeds what is found in any gaming magazine or news site. Wikia's content is so rich and immersive that viewers regularly stay on the site for hours to research and fuel their love of gaming." |
| 15:43.52 | foxlit | That can only be followed by a /vomit |
| 15:44.05 | Adys | assback-vomit |
| 15:44.09 | Kraps | i couldnt understand why they put a disclaimer in the article |
| 15:45.10 | Kraps | "This is what happens when people use Google to enter sites instead of typing it on their address bar... Damn you all Farmville users..." |
| 15:45.18 | Adys | yeha |
| 15:45.41 | Adys | i dont really know if this is worse than youtube comments |
| 15:45.48 | Adys | i really, really want to click next page |
| 15:45.50 | Adys | but Im scared |
| 15:46.03 | Adys | on youtube I know I'm going to throw up if i do so i dont actually want to. |
| 15:46.26 | Kraps | Adys: the only thing you can do is laugh |
| 15:46.33 | Fisker | lol |
| 15:46.38 | Adys | or be scared :/ |
| 15:46.45 | Fisker | Warcraft was the first game from the World of Warcraft series! |
| 15:46.46 | Fisker | :D |
| 15:46.58 | cbreak | it was? |
| 15:50.24 | Kraps | "This reminds me of an article I read recently about the ever-escalating rate of illiteracy in America. It makes you wonder how these people ever make it down the street alive, much less how they are able to log into Facebook." |
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| 16:00.07 | Cide | w t f |
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| 16:02.49 | Heather | developing a WoW addon is going to be so weird. I'm used to a platform where I only have 4mb of shared memory and a 66mhz cpu. I have to constantly be aware of how expensive a math operation is and how big a variable is when I use it. |
| 16:03.10 | olafski | welcome to the 21st century ;) |
| 16:03.17 | olafski | (yes I know such devices are still in use) |
| 16:03.27 | Heather | the nintendo DS |
| 16:03.47 | olafski | now you can focus on keeping your code understandable and readable without worrying about optimizations too much ;) |
| 16:04.09 | Heather | shouldn't be too difficult in a language that looks a lot like psuedocode |
| 16:04.22 | olafski | yep :P |
| 16:04.52 | olafski | what kind of addon are you going to make? |
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| 16:06.00 | Heather | well my first complete project I want to make, after I'm a little more knowledgeable, is a simple addon for my warlock that will delete soul shards over a given amount. I know there are ones that already do this, but it seemed like an addon that's easy enough to do |
| 16:06.20 | Heather | eventually the goal would be to use the data broker library for a UI |
| 16:08.40 | olafski | eh.. use the LDB for a UI? :s |
| 16:08.51 | Lopeppeppy | easiest thing is to study how those other warlock addons are put together, come to ubderstand how they work, and then do your own |
| 16:08.54 | olafski | seems like a good starting point though, the soul shard thing |
| 16:09.34 | olafski | if you make it automatically put shards in a certain bag I'll download it :) |
| 16:09.42 | Heather | Lopeppeppy I'm sure that's the easiest way to hack together one, but the path I'm taking is to learn Lua, then learn the warcraft API, then try my hand at an addon. |
| 16:10.33 | Gnarfoz | olafski: terminology, I'm sure |
| 16:10.56 | Lunessa | Heather: http://www.lua.org/pil/ & http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api - you'll need them often. |
| 16:11.14 | Gnarfoz | most people would think "an UI" being a complete user interface, while there are people out there that call single addons "an UI" :o |
| 16:11.18 | Heather | already have them, thanks |
| 16:11.29 | olafski | gnarfoz: yeah, I'm among the former group ;) |
| 16:11.51 | Lopeppeppy | learning by example is pretty much how it's done |
| 16:12.17 | Heather | 'an UI' isn't really grammatically correct, since you use 'an' when a world -sounds- like it has a vowel up front and in this case the 'u' sounds like the non-vowel y. Therefore, it's 'a ui' |
| 16:13.08 | Lunessa | Unless you're a pretentious Brit. :) |
| 16:13.18 | olafski | I don't think that was the issue here heather :P |
| 16:13.41 | Heather | just wanted to sound smart for a while. Learning a new language always makes her feel stupid. |
| 16:14.06 | olafski | 'tis ok |
| 16:14.07 | Lunessa | So, don't try to learn Chinese or Japanese. |
| 16:14.22 | Heather | Oh, I speak three languages. I meant programming languages |
| 16:14.24 | olafski | I think I'd go for lopeppeppy's method of learning too btw.. in fact I have :P |
| 16:14.49 | Lunessa | Heather: That was a joke. |
| 16:15.01 | Heather | the problem with learning by example is that you end up starting with a small vocabulary and have to flail about in a half-understanding state |
| 16:15.22 | olafski | I guess =) |
| 16:15.35 | olafski | Lua doesn't look too difficult to learn.. but "learning the wow api" sounds a bit odd |
| 16:15.53 | Heather | I meant reading through it until I understand how most of it works |
| 16:16.03 | olafski | I guess you meant learning how an addon works, not what every function does =) |
| 16:16.08 | Lopeppeppy | The problem with learning an entire language with no examples is that you have a huge vocabularly with no idea what it applies to. :) But approach it however works best for your learning style. |
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| 16:16.21 | Heather | actually, I meant looking through it to figure out what every function does |
| 16:16.42 | olafski | oO |
| 16:16.52 | olafski | why would you do that? most functions have quite descriptive names |
| 16:17.02 | olafski | if you know how lua works and how to handle events and such you should be good to go |
| 16:17.06 | Lunessa | olafski: ^^ LOL |
| 16:17.09 | olafski | (and how to search an API) |
| 16:17.09 | Heather | in that case it won't take long, right? |
| 16:17.30 | olafski | heather: if you want to know what every function does, I'm sure it will take quite some time.. there are a lot of functions :P |
| 16:18.02 | olafski | e.g. you don't have to know by heart which function destroys an item from your bags because you can just use ctrl+f ;) |
| 16:18.19 | Cide | does anyone remember the name length restrictions in sc2? |
| 16:18.22 | Heather | and I likely will use ctrl-f a lot |
| 16:19.16 | Lunessa | Cide: Not I. Didn't get into the beta. :( |
| 16:19.22 | Cide | :( |
| 16:20.15 | Lunessa | Blizzard only loves me when it comes to WoW. :( |
| 16:20.41 | olafski | I don't think they love me at all =( |
| 16:21.10 | Lopeppeppy | that's okay, Arthas does |
| 16:22.07 | olafski | he loved me so much, last time I saw him he gave me some loot |
| 16:22.20 | olafski | which I then either vendored or disenchanted |
| 16:22.44 | Lopeppeppy | I see this is a one-sided relationship. |
| 16:23.32 | olafski | yeah I don't really like him.. he runs too slow =) |
| 16:23.37 | olafski | and talks too much |
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| 16:28.48 | Lopeppeppy | waaaah. |
| 16:30.44 | Cidwel | um, I have some issues with lua scoping, If I use a loop, the index of that loop must be declared local in order to not to interfere with other addons? |
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| 16:31.35 | olafski | if it's not in some other form of scope, I guess so |
| 16:31.41 | frontendloader | it is automatically local |
| 16:31.50 | Cidwel | by the loop? |
| 16:31.52 | Lunessa | LOL - someone here at work has Music Sharing turned on in iTunes. All they have in their library is music from the Twilight Movies. |
| 16:32.00 | frontendloader | for i = 1,10 do automatically declares i in the local scope afaik |
| 16:32.10 | olafski | ah, yes it would I guess =) |
| 16:32.17 | olafski | I was thinking more like if i had been declared earlier or something |
| 16:32.18 | Cidwel | whooops! .... |
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| 16:32.24 | olafski | don't know if that's even supported :P |
| 16:32.29 | Cidwel | poor local i |
| 16:32.45 | olafski | i gets so much abuse :( |
| 16:33.51 | frontendloader | not nearly as much abuse as $_ |
| 16:34.23 | frontendloader | that poor guy doesn't even get to see the light of day most of the time, but he's always in use |
| 16:34.38 | Heather | wow linked lists are super easy to do in lua |
| 16:34.44 | frontendloader | sure are |
| 16:34.55 | frontendloader | we're the choir though |
| 16:37.12 | olafski | I'm not |
| 16:37.16 | olafski | I see Lua as a necessary evil |
| 16:44.51 | Lunessa | All evil is necessary. |
| 16:45.02 | Lunessa | Happiness is mandatory. |
| 16:50.21 | KarlKFI|work | What is necessary is never wrong. |
| 16:50.43 | KarlKFI|work | -Spock's Dad |
| 16:50.53 | Heather | War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength |
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| 16:53.06 | Heather | Lua keeps scaring me :( |
| 16:53.52 | Heather | the Programing in Lua book keeps going, "Don't worry about it, we use huge variable sizes so you don't have to worry about overflowing!" .... I'm used to using 8 bit ints to conserve RAM |
| 16:54.48 | Kraps | Heather: the worst thing about 1984 was that i believed that he was somehow going to fight back right |
| 16:54.58 | Lunessa | KarlKFI: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one. |
| 16:55.00 | Kraps | up to the last paragraph |
| 16:55.15 | Heather | the thing behind 1984 is that sometimes you can't fight back, sometimes you break |
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| 16:57.37 | Heather | 1984 angers me. Like redfaced blindingly angry. The ending always enrages me. It makes me want to rebel. |
| 16:57.57 | Kraps | kind of the point i think :) |
| 16:58.02 | Heather | yes |
| 16:58.14 | alestane | Don't use Lua if your principle goal is to conserve memory, Heather. |
| 16:58.16 | Heather | and that's why I like the book, hat it evokes strong emotion in me |
| 16:59.36 | Lunessa | Did you read Animal Farm too? |
| 17:00.01 | Heather | yes |
| 17:00.15 | Lunessa | I went through this phase where I consumed dystopian novels like mana from heaven |
| 17:00.29 | Heather | I just read lots of different things |
| 17:00.39 | Heather | from political satires to sappy romance |
| 17:00.44 | alestane | I love the "WTF?!" look in this: http://www.eeriecuties.com/d/20100317.html |
| 17:00.45 | alestane | I now return you to your regularly scheduled philospohy. |
| 17:00.57 | Heather | I'm sitting next to a book shelf with about 200 books on it |
| 17:01.09 | Lunessa | I did too, but for a year or so I cranked through every "the future is a bad, bad, bad place" novel I could find. |
| 17:01.20 | alestane | One of my college papers compared the role of sex in the worlds of "1984" and "Brave New World," Lunessa. |
| 17:01.30 | Heather | currently reading "The Sherlock Holmes Mysteries" |
| 17:02.07 | Lunessa | alestane: That must have been fun to write, and somewhat disturbing at the same time. |
| 17:04.42 | alestane | It's interesting that in one, sex is entirely recreational, and in the other, it's entirely procreational (at least that's what The Party is striving for). |
| 17:05.26 | Heather | yes, the Party is trying to eliminate sex in the upper class, the plebs can do whatever they like |
| 17:05.30 | alestane | The Party would grow people in test tubes and raise them on subliminal propaganda if they could. |
| 17:05.33 | Heather | remember there's a strict class divide in 1984 |
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| 17:06.07 | Heather | people read 1984 and think that the WHOLE world lives as the main character does.... but the main character describes how the plebs are free-ish, how they can do whatever they want |
| 17:06.42 | Kraps | Heather: are they really "free"? |
| 17:06.46 | alestane | Because what they want doesn't matter to anyone else. |
| 17:06.47 | Heather | no |
| 17:06.52 | Heather | that's why I said 'free-ish' |
| 17:06.56 | alestane | They're free to be insignificant. |
| 17:06.58 | Heather | they have more leeway than the main character |
| 17:07.18 | Heather | they're free to rise up and revolt if they chose |
| 17:07.30 | Kraps | is there even a war going on? |
| 17:07.59 | alestane | But none of them are organized, discontented or ambitious enough, which is the only reason they're allowed that freedom. |
| 17:08.02 | Heather | I'm sure there is. However, are the other two countries exactly the same? |
| 17:08.21 | alestane | Increasingly so, according to one passge in the book. |
| 17:08.56 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/12899841854-vote-for-blizzard.html |
| 17:11.25 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX7ehxyYRQc |
| 17:12.15 | Lunessa | alestane: If you can, check out WASP - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp_%28novel%29 |
| 17:17.21 | alestane | Did anyone bring up Jane McGonigals' recent TED talk while I wasn't looking? ( http://www.ted.com/talks/jane_mcgonigal_gaming_can_make_a_better_world.html ) |
| 17:18.20 | Lunessa | alestane: Yes. It was ridiculed in your absence. |
| 17:19.09 | alestane | While I'm finding the talk interesting, the screenshot at 4:#8 contains one of the most hideous UIs I've ever seen. |
| 17:19.15 | alestane | 4:38* |
| 17:20.03 | foxlit | Meh. Could be worse. |
| 17:22.33 | Lunessa | Everyone I've linked the video to has said the same thing. |
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| 17:23.48 | Lunessa | AFK - lunching |
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| 17:34.29 | alestane | Say what, Lunessa? That the UI is hideous? |
| 17:35.24 | p3lim | is it possible to use the TOC tag "LoadWith" with Blizzard's addons (Blizzard_TradeSkillUI specifically) |
| 17:36.06 | foxlit | Intuitively, it should be. |
| 17:36.07 | alestane | It is, p3lim. |
| 17:36.13 | alestane | I do that with CoolFloat. |
| 17:36.28 | alestane | It loads with Blizzard_CombatText. |
| 17:43.23 | p3lim | Did some testing, it still loads :/ |
| 17:45.28 | foxlit | Exited wow completely while testing, right? |
| 17:47.26 | p3lim | Ofcourse |
| 17:48.43 | p3lim | Do i need any other tags, like LoD? |
| 17:51.06 | p3lim | Yep, using LoD fixed it |
| 17:59.27 | Fisker | what would i do foxlit ? |
| 18:00.55 | Fisker | alestane it was old |
| 18:01.01 | Fisker | since i already linked it a few hours ago |
| 18:01.09 | Fisker | and she's totally wrong |
| 18:01.32 | Fisker | She claimed that a player could embark on a worldsaving mission straight away |
| 18:01.41 | Fisker | But in reality you need to link achievements and gearscore first |
| 18:07.29 | Shirik | how do I make "ls" default to colored? just `alias ls=ls --color`? |
| 18:07.53 | Gnarfoz | --color=auto, or something, iirc |
| 18:07.58 | Gnarfoz | check 'man ls' :p |
| 18:08.09 | Dagmar | The environment variables LS_OPTIONS and LS_COLORS are pretty much meant for that |
| 18:08.14 | Shirik | I wouldn't have expected this to be in the man pages |
| 18:08.22 | Gnarfoz | env variables for ls? wtf |
| 18:08.24 | Dagmar | Much less chaotic than using alias like some kind of shell regexp fail |
| 18:09.06 | Dagmar | Most distributions set those, man |
| 18:09.16 | Gnarfoz | LS_COLORS contains some kind of color list |
| 18:09.40 | Gnarfoz | no LS_OPTIONS set, but ls linked to ls --color=auto |
| 18:09.51 | Gnarfoz | so, half this, half that ;p |
| 18:10.14 | Dagmar | "some kind of color list"? |
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| 18:10.23 | Gnarfoz | yes. |
| 18:10.26 | Dagmar | It should be pretty transparent what all the crap in that variable is about |
| 18:10.42 | Gnarfoz | it's to override the built-in colors, is what I gather from the man page. |
| 18:11.38 | sylvanaar_atwork | why cant it just default to colored |
| 18:11.49 | Gnarfoz | because not every terminal does color |
| 18:12.12 | Gnarfoz | (hence it should default to color=auto, which checks for color support...) |
| 18:12.34 | sylvanaar_atwork | thats the same thing i was saying really |
| 18:14.19 | Heather | well, finished reading Programming in Lua, now to read my book on programming addons |
| 18:14.52 | Dagmar | It also keeps ls from having to do a crapton of termcap lookups |
| 18:16.00 | Gnarfoz | one on each invocation~ |
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| 18:17.42 | Dagmar | More than one actually |
| 18:22.32 | tem | urrgh |
| 18:22.46 | tem | I have this page that requires javascript to work |
| 18:22.52 | tem | it works in firefox and chrome |
| 18:23.09 | tem | and I get COMPLETELY WORTHLESS error in IE7 |
| 18:23.20 | Heather | The thing that frightens me a bit about Lua is that variables and functions are global unless specifically made local. |
| 18:23.45 | tem | that's not that uncommon, Heather |
| 18:23.49 | haste | local by default wouldn't make sense with scoping Heather |
| 18:24.36 | Heather | I'm used to C++ where it's generally a good idea to avoid global and things tend to be limited in scope to their object unless specifically made global |
| 18:25.17 | tem | it's a good idea to avoid globals in every single programming language I can think of |
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| 18:25.38 | tem | just because you have to declare a local as a local doesn't change that |
| 18:25.41 | haste | Heather: roberto had a really good explanation of it on the lua wiki |
| 18:25.42 | Lunessa | It's still a bad idea to make your stuff global in an embedded scripting environment where other people's code wil be running alongside yours. |
| 18:25.43 | Heather | yes, so why does Lua default to global? |
| 18:25.56 | tem | because it's a scripting language |
| 18:25.57 | haste | check the wiki |
| 18:26.06 | Heather | wouldn't it make more sense to have a 'global' tag instead of a 'local' tag? |
| 18:26.11 | alestane | Lua was originally designed for non-programmers. |
| 18:26.11 | nevcairiel | no |
| 18:26.12 | tem | *headdesk* |
| 18:26.18 | haste | roberto makes excellent argumenst against a global tag instead of local |
| 18:26.27 | Pneumatus | if you don't declare a variable in c++ you get a compiler error though, you declare them with a type within a specific scope |
| 18:26.50 | alestane | And the concept of global is a little weird in Lua anyway, since global really means "referenced in an environment table." |
| 18:27.43 | nevcairiel | thats just the implementation of the globals, not really the concept, imho |
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| 18:28.48 | tem | alestane, that's pretty much EVERY LANGUAGE |
| 18:29.04 | tem | it's just usually not exposed the way it is in lua |
| 18:29.51 | Lunessa | lua, making it easy to expose yourself, but cautioning you against it. |
| 18:30.13 | Fisker | haha |
| 18:30.27 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12899881675&postId=128986113267&sid=1#15 <-vanity sluts lol |
| 18:30.30 | Dagmar | Kinda like sweat pants |
| 18:35.41 | alestane | Here's one for you, Lunessa: "On the sixth day God created all the races of Man in their kinds: The French for cooking, the Germans for engineering, the Swiss for organization and so forth. And when he returned on the eighth day, he found all proceeding smoothly and each person attending to their business; and he looked down and said, |
| 18:35.41 | alestane | "'This is all very well and good, but...no-one is having any fun. |
| 18:35.41 | alestane | "'I guess I'll just have to make me an Irishman.'" |
| 18:36.01 | Lunessa | alestane: WOOOOO! |
| 18:36.29 | alestane | Slainté! |
| 18:36.58 | Lunessa | An Irishman must talk to God, for it is only there that he can find his equal. |
| 18:38.01 | alestane | tem: The main thing that's odd about Lua is that the environment table is not only exposed but mutable. |
| 18:38.18 | Lopeppeppy | "God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked." |
| 18:40.18 | alestane | That's sort of reminiscent of the old saw about outrunning the bear. |
| 18:42.37 | Lunessa | alestane: Yes, it is. |
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| 18:46.27 | alestane | ryuuz4k! |
| 18:46.31 | alestane | mt |
| 18:52.58 | Dagmar | quickly logs in as alestane |
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| 18:57.11 | Lopeppeppy | I love the way that malicious gossip flies faster than anything nice. |
| 18:57.47 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: I hear your a girl on the internet? |
| 18:58.20 | Lopeppeppy | on the internet, I'm anything I want to be! |
| 18:58.27 | kneeki | ^ truth |
| 18:58.40 | kneeki | I'm a hot chick |
| 18:58.54 | kneeki | a lesbian hot chick, that only does other hot lesbians |
| 18:58.58 | kneeki | it's a wonderful world I love in |
| 18:59.03 | kneeki | s/love/live |
| 18:59.37 | Lunessa | kneeki: live/love what's the difference. Can't do one without the other. |
| 18:59.48 | kneeki | True that |
| 19:01.34 | Dagmar | Oh yes you can |
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| 19:11.09 | Shirik | wikipedia has got to have the most fucked up database organization ever |
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| 19:12.14 | Shirik | I'm looking through something trying to find some text, so I finally find the table I want and the text is "stored-text:336264116" so after some searching I find a "text" table which I guess is where I want, so I look up ID 336264116 and look at the result and it says "DB://cluster22/52673767" |
| 19:12.18 | Shirik | now I get to figure out wtf that means |
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| 19:26.06 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: so that's why they need that much money to run things |
| 19:26.10 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 19:26.42 | Shirik | I still have no idea wtf is cluster22, except maybe Access denied for user 'mpdelbuono'@'%.toolserver.org' to database 'cluster22' |
| 19:26.48 | Shirik | but that could just mean cluster22 doesn't exist |
| 19:35.57 | Heather | lua> test = {name = "testing"}; print(test.name); |
| 19:35.58 | lua_bot | Heather: testing |
| 19:36.31 | Heather | lua> test = {}; test.name = "testing"; print(test.name); |
| 19:36.31 | lua_bot | Heather: testing |
| 19:37.55 | alestane | lua> test = {} test.name = "testing" print(test["name"]) |
| 19:37.55 | lua_bot | alestane: testing |
| 19:38.45 | Heather | because if you tried to print test[name] it'd return nil |
| 19:39.41 | alestane | lua> test = {} test.name = "testing" print(test[name]) |
| 19:39.41 | lua_bot | alestane: nil |
| 19:40.02 | alestane | Because name is nil in this case, and test[nil] is also nil. |
| 19:40.20 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/reincarnavian/4695 |
| 19:40.45 | Heather | link's not loading for me |
| 19:41.53 | Heather | lua> local function test() test = "testing"; end;print(test) |
| 19:41.53 | lua_bot | Heather: function: 0x9c43af8 |
| 19:42.04 | Heather | lua> local function test() test = "testing"; end; print(test); |
| 19:42.05 | lua_bot | Heather: function: 0x91c3af8 |
| 19:42.08 | Heather | .... |
| 19:42.33 | Heather | lua> function test() test = "testing"; end; print(test); |
| 19:42.33 | lua_bot | Heather: function: 0x848abe0 |
| 19:42.41 | Heather | oh, lol |
| 19:42.48 | Heather | lua> function testfunc() test = "testing"; end; print(test); |
| 19:42.48 | lua_bot | Heather: nil |
| 19:43.26 | Heather | lua> function testfunc() test = "testing"; return test; end; print(testfunc()); |
| 19:43.26 | lua_bot | Heather: testing |
| 19:43.52 | Lopeppeppy | Psss. Heather. You can also whisper to the lua bot. :) |
| 19:44.17 | zenzelezz | what peppy said - please do if you're going to do much testing |
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| 19:45.39 | KieronEvil | "function Replacedkp(name, newvalue) for i=1,#UDKP_Players do if UDKP_Players[i].name==name then UDKP_Players[i].dkp = newvalue end end end" |
| 19:45.42 | olafski | doesn't lua have some kind of interactive mode? |
| 19:46.02 | KieronEvil | That function used to replace the dkp in the table UDKP_Players |
| 19:46.30 | Industrial | olafski: you mean like invoking 'lua' from the commandline ? |
| 19:46.50 | KieronEvil | "tinsert(UDKP_Players, { ["name"]="Athoos", ["dkp"]="1118", ["class"]="Warrior" });" that is a sample line of the tinsert |
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| 19:47.51 | KieronEvil | Anyone that got a suggestion on whats been changed? |
| 19:53.31 | zenzelezz | I'm not sufficiently familiar with tables, but don't those two do different things? |
| 19:53.33 | olafski | industrial: dunno, never tried it.. I meant something like irb for ruby |
| 19:53.58 | zenzelezz | the first one seems to modify data that's already in the table, the second seems to insert new data - but I may be wrong about how tinsert works |
| 19:55.15 | KieronEvil | the second on is a sample on how the table will look like |
| 19:55.23 | KieronEvil | the first is the one that isn't working at |
| 19:55.25 | KieronEvil | at |
| 19:55.26 | KieronEvil | atm* |
| 19:55.33 | KieronEvil | meh, damn keyboard |
| 19:56.58 | KieronEvil | and I fell that it shouldwork |
| 19:57.17 | zenzelezz | then I don't understand your question, it seemed to imply that the first code was working but the second was a rewrite that didn't |
| 19:57.41 | KieronEvil | ohh, the first code doesn't work, or it seems like it doesn't work |
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| 19:58.41 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/454614406 |
| 19:58.56 | Shirik | STUPIDEST SITE EVER |
| 19:59.56 | Shirik | Worse than http://yvettesbridalformal.com/ |
| 20:00.05 | Shirik | At least http://yvettesbridalformal.com/ is amusing |
| 20:00.10 | Shirik | GMG is just 100% pointless |
| 20:01.05 | Adys | you have no taste |
| 20:01.47 | amro | Shirik: don't link that stuff in here |
| 20:01.55 | amro | I bet it could induce epileptic seizures |
| 20:02.30 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:07.32 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't lol at that |
| 20:07.46 | Industrial | KieronEvil: it reads like it works however, judging the structure of the table you supplied. Are you the addon developer (which addon?)? |
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| 20:10.02 | kneeki | Using COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED causes a lot of memory usage in my addon, is there a more efficient way to to code this? Or am I just doing something very wrong -.- (http://www.wowi.pastey.net/134275) |
| 20:10.24 | KieronEvil | nope, I'm not the addon developer and it's http://www.guildomatic.com/meta/downloads the DKP addon |
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| 20:10.43 | KieronEvil | but I'm thinking that I might be stupid |
| 20:10.52 | KieronEvil | and testing to make it work |
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| 20:11.09 | foxlit | kneeki: You're just doing something very wrong. |
| 20:11.19 | kneeki | foxlit: figures =p |
| 20:11.35 | kneeki | I'm going to change up the code a bit, see if that helps |
| 20:11.54 | foxlit | That something happens t be making a new EventParse table every time the function runs |
| 20:11.59 | zenzelezz | kneeki: next time plix to be select Lua when posting (so we don't have to!) |
| 20:12.10 | kneeki | d'oh! sorry |
| 20:12.31 | KieronEvil | now it work |
| 20:12.34 | KieronEvil | works |
| 20:12.40 | KieronEvil | it was me that was stupid |
| 20:12.42 | KieronEvil | nm |
| 20:12.59 | KieronEvil | time to get the rest of the 5 functions to work again |
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| 20:15.07 | Shadowed | Bibi |
| 20:15.10 | Shadowed | where are you getting patch 3.9 |
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| 20:16.57 | zenzelezz | he just downloaded patch 1.5 and 2.4 and added them up |
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| 20:18.11 | Shirik | good idea |
| 20:18.13 | Shirik | I should try that |
| 20:24.01 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 20:24.11 | Shirik | hi2u2 |
| 20:25.41 | Cide | wanna play? |
| 20:27.05 | Fisker | Shadowed datamining |
| 20:27.14 | Shadowed | I'll data mine you |
| 20:27.30 | Shirik | ok Cide |
| 20:27.38 | Shirik | did you know they're going to reset rankings? :( |
| 20:27.40 | Fisker | it's some pretty epic datamining Shadowed |
| 20:27.43 | Cide | yeah I saw |
| 20:27.54 | Fisker | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/3p9/gnomeregan.xml |
| 20:27.56 | Fisker | for example this |
| 20:28.11 | Fisker | if you can decode the encoded message you can see it's patch 3.9 |
| 20:28.24 | amro | omg Fisker |
| 20:28.27 | amro | are you NSA? |
| 20:28.41 | Fisker | i'm not a liberty to discuss that with you |
| 20:28.45 | Fisker | at* |
| 20:29.15 | zenzelezz | Fisker is with the alternative NTSB |
| 20:29.24 | zenzelezz | the lesser known National Trolling and Sarcasm Board |
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| 20:32.05 | amro | I hear it's part of USSOCOM now |
| 20:36.11 | kneeki | Well, recoding that garbage I had before sure did help :) |
| 20:36.58 | zenzelezz | hehe |
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| 20:40.01 | kneeki | On another note, is it more efficient to run an OnUpdate script to check for buffs on the player, or using OnEvent? The code within is nearly identical except I have OnUpdate running the big chunk of the code after 1 second intervals |
| 20:42.29 | foxlit | Do at little work as possible |
| 20:42.50 | Fisker | umad Shadowed? |
| 20:43.17 | Shirik | umad Fisker? |
| 20:43.24 | foxlit | In your case, it might be easier to sift through the combat log events for aura gain / removal / fading |
| 20:43.49 | kneeki | I'm using UNIT_AURA atm, instead of combat log unfiltered |
| 20:43.54 | Shadowed | Fisker no jury in the world would convict me if I killed you |
| 20:43.56 | foxlit | Or you could use UNIT_AURA to tag units as "dirty" and handle them in OnUpdate |
| 20:44.01 | Shadowed | kneeki: It depends! |
| 20:44.28 | Shadowed | Bucketing the event like foxlit is talking about can be more efficient, it depends what you are doing and how fast you need the data |
| 20:44.36 | kneeki | well, this is what i'm doing now: http://www.wowi.pastey.net/134276 |
| 20:45.00 | Shadowed | Ah aura tracking |
| 20:45.08 | kneeki | aye |
| 20:45.20 | Shadowed | As you don't need duration, I'd suggest COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 20:45.29 | kneeki | I just want some nifty alerts to be displayed in a very minimal manner |
| 20:45.57 | kneeki | hrm, I guess UNIT_AURA is everyone/thing around you isn't it... |
| 20:46.03 | Shadowed | correct, so is CLEU |
| 20:46.17 | foxlit | CLEU is probably worse in terms of needless firings |
| 20:46.18 | Shadowed | but CLEU is easier to parse since you can quickly say "This isn't an aura event, don't watch it" |
| 20:46.26 | foxlit | but ^ |
| 20:46.31 | Shadowed | rather than having to recheck each aura |
| 20:46.51 | Shadowed | Come 3.3.3, UNIT_AURA won't be as bad thought |
| 20:46.55 | Shadowed | in firings |
| 20:47.13 | kneeki | oh? |
| 20:47.24 | kneeki | I'll just use UNIT_AURA then, since i'm already coded for that anyway :) |
| 20:47.25 | Shadowed | They changed most of the short term auras to last longer and not refresh as often |
| 20:47.54 | kneeki | yeah |
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| 20:53.53 | Arrowmaster | werent there issues with not all auras showing up in the combat log too or something? |
| 20:54.29 | Torhal | Meh. I really shouldn't read forums immediately after waking up. I find myself wanting to strangle people. |
| 20:56.56 | Shadowed | Arrowmaster: I thought it was UNIT_AURA not firing for those events? |
| 20:56.59 | Shadowed | auras* |
| 20:57.03 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
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| 20:59.35 | Lunessa | Torhal: It doesn't matter what time I read forums. I find myself wanting to strangle people. |
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| 21:07.21 | alestane | Here's a fascinating talk: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_how_i_fell_in_love_with_a_fish.html |
| 21:10.06 | kneeki | I love ted.com |
| 21:12.38 | Shirik | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/AAAAAAAAA! |
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| 21:13.44 | Kraps | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2010/03/primary-action-items/ |
| 21:14.33 | Kraps | holy shit http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/an-assault-on-two-fronts-patch-3-9/ |
| 21:15.47 | NeoTron | Kraps: zomg is that for reals!? |
| 21:15.57 | NeoTron | (and if it wasn't obvious, just kidding) |
| 21:16.36 | NeoTron | anyone else finds "taking back echo isles" to be a rather pathetic event? |
| 21:16.47 | NeoTron | so there's some 30 level 10 or so trolls to kill? :P |
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| 21:17.02 | Kraps | you're obviously an alliance pig |
| 21:17.11 | Kraps | wait so am i |
| 21:17.20 | Heather | well, I wrote my first official wow addon |
| 21:17.33 | Kraps | grats! |
| 21:17.34 | Heather | a simple command line addon that acts like a simple four function calculator |
| 21:18.01 | Heather | stuff like '/hcalc add 1 2' outputs 'Heather Calc> 3' |
| 21:18.50 | NeoTron | Kraps: well I played alliance until I transferred to horde :P |
| 21:19.08 | NeoTron | it's equally pathetic regardless of faction. Of course gnomer isn't THAT much better but at least it's rather big |
| 21:20.09 | zenzelezz | it's the story that matters |
| 21:20.48 | NeoTron | much better than echo isles would be return to their homeland in Stranglethorn Vale... by taking over/back Zul'Gurub for example and making it their new capital |
| 21:21.28 | zenzelezz | who says that can't still happen? |
| 21:21.42 | zenzelezz | I'm sure there'll be further build-up to Cataclysm |
| 21:22.08 | Xyphoid | obviously the echo isles you saw was a voodoo illusion |
| 21:22.56 | Xyphoid | after all I did that quest at 80, so zalazane's pretty powerful |
| 21:25.19 | Pneumatus | Heather: /dump 1+2 not good enough? :< |
| 21:25.47 | Heather | no, because I'm trying to learn |
| 21:25.51 | zenzelezz | Pneumatus: I'm guessing the addon was more a learning experience |
| 21:25.54 | Pneumatus | aha |
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| 21:30.38 | Heather | trying to figure out how to go about checking a bag for soul shards |
| 21:32.41 | Arrowmaster | you want to find the soul shards in your inventory or you want to know if you have a shard bag equiped? |
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| 21:33.35 | Heather | soul shards in my inventory |
| 21:34.39 | Arrowmaster | do you want to know the exact locations in your inventory or do you just want to count how many you have? |
| 21:35.16 | Heather | the exact locations likely, since the end goal will be to destroy them if I have over a certain amount |
| 21:35.18 | kneeki | GetItemCount("Soul Shard") ? |
| 21:35.26 | kneeki | oh, that wont help then :) |
| 21:36.23 | Arrowmaster | !api getinventory |
| 21:36.24 | lua_bot | Found 12 possible results for 'getinventory': GetInventoryItemLink, GetInventoryItemQuality, GetInventoryAlertStatus, GetInventoryItemBroken, GetInventoryItemCount, GetInventoryItemsForSlot, GetInventoryItemCooldown, GetInventoryItemTexture, GetInventorySlotInfo, GetInventoryItemID, GetInventoryItemGems, GetInventoryItemDurability |
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| 21:36.44 | alestane | !api container |
| 21:36.47 | lua_bot | Found 18 possible matches for 'container'. Please be more specific |
| 21:36.54 | Arrowmaster | !api getcontainer |
| 21:36.54 | alestane | !api getcontainer |
| 21:36.56 | lua_bot | Found 11 possible results for 'getcontainer': GetContainerItemDurability, GetContainerItemID, GetContainerItemGems, GetContainerNumFreeSlots, GetContainerItemLink, GetContainerItemInfo, GetContainerItemCooldown, GetContainerNumSlots, GetContainerItemPurchaseItem, GetContainerFreeSlots, GetContainerItemPurchaseInfo |
| 21:36.58 | lua_bot | Found 11 possible results for 'getcontainer': GetContainerItemDurability, GetContainerItemID, GetContainerItemGems, GetContainerNumFreeSlots, GetContainerItemLink, GetContainerItemInfo, GetContainerItemCooldown, GetContainerNumSlots, GetContainerItemPurchaseItem, GetContainerFreeSlots, GetContainerItemPurchaseInfo |
| 21:37.03 | Arrowmaster | way to spam alestane |
| 21:37.15 | alestane | Hey, on my screen I said ti first. |
| 21:37.33 | Arrowmaster | you were a full second behind on mine |
| 21:38.18 | Heather | tries to figure out why her warlock never got an imp |
| 21:38.47 | kneeki | O.o |
| 21:38.56 | kneeki | You need to do a newbie quest :) |
| 21:40.12 | Fisker | hey Shadowed |
| 21:40.16 | Fisker | decoded the message? |
| 21:40.17 | Arrowmaster | i thought they changed it |
| 21:40.35 | Arrowmaster | and you either got it at lvl1 or it was available from the vendor |
| 21:40.48 | alestane | I think it's trainable now. |
| 21:40.55 | zenzelezz | how silly |
| 21:41.03 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 21:41.04 | Lunessa | An imp by any other name is still a mouthy little rat spitting out fireballs. |
| 21:41.18 | zenzelezz | making the game casual-friendly is one thing, but jeeze... the introductory class quests were part of the fun |
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| 21:46.45 | Lunessa | level 50 class quests were mostly NOT fun. |
| 21:47.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Mage one was pretty good |
| 21:47.36 | zenzelezz | I meant the low-level ones |
| 21:50.06 | Kraps | great "3.9???? wut about the other numbers?" etc |
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| 21:50.40 | kneeki | uh, yeah. |
| 21:50.41 | kneeki | typo? |
| 21:51.31 | Kraps | how about "last patch before 4.0" |
| 21:51.49 | Heather | so.... trying to figure out how to use those API functions to actually tell if something is a shard or not. |
| 21:54.44 | Kraps | kneeki: they arent using 3.6 for example because they might actually put out more content or need a number for a fix patch |
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| 21:57.40 | kneeki | Ah |
| 21:57.56 | kneeki | Heather: Where are you getting stuck? |
| 21:58.05 | Shirik | Kraps: Do you know Ironholds? |
| 21:58.17 | Kraps | sounds familiar |
| 21:58.44 | zenzelezz | it's like steelholds, but without the coal |
| 21:58.49 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/134278-2hzj |
| 21:58.52 | Shirik | I laughed |
| 21:59.11 | Heather | on how to tell if something in a slot is a soul shard or not... all I was given was a bunch of api functions... but what the heck is an itemid? |
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| 21:59.35 | kneeki | Heather: Every item in the game has a unique item ID |
| 22:00.04 | Kraps | :) |
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| 22:04.47 | Kraps | they already have the sound files on the ptr :o |
| 22:04.57 | Shirik | This is really cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI44-tXDDEs |
| 22:05.04 | Torhal | Shirik: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=181911&postcount=13 |
| 22:06.21 | Kraps | Torhal: y so mad? |
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| 22:06.35 | Shirik | thanks Torhal |
| 22:06.42 | Torhal | Kraps: Probably 13, carries a gun, and smokes crack. |
| 22:06.43 | kneeki | Heather: Here you go, http://www.wowi.pastey.net/134279 |
| 22:06.49 | DWSR | Heather: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=6265 |
| 22:06.58 | kneeki | I didn't test it, so there may be a bug, or a better way of doing it. |
| 22:07.34 | kneeki | Oops, use http://www.wowi.pastey.net/134280 instead, first link was checking bags 1-4 not 1-5 :) |
| 22:08.12 | DWSR | Heather: Every item in the game has a unique itemID (just a numerical identifier), that way there can be multiple items with the same name (i.e. normal and heroic versions of items). What kneeki said will work in your case because there is only one item named "Soul Shard". |
| 22:08.24 | Shirik | uh oh |
| 22:08.27 | Shirik | emergency radio is going off :( |
| 22:08.28 | DWSR | Heather: However, if you're specifically wanting to use itemIDs, you just need to look them up first. |
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| 22:08.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: fail |
| 22:08.34 | Shirik | oh wtf |
| 22:08.41 | DWSR | Shirik: EVACUATE THE DANCEFLOOR |
| 22:08.52 | Shirik | "Required weekly test. The preceding signal was a required weekly test of the emergency alert system." |
| 22:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | Ooooh, new sig line for the forums! Actus non facit reum nisi mens est rea! |
| 22:09.10 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: to English, por favor. |
| 22:09.14 | Lopeppeppy | "I never intended to kill anybody." |
| 22:09.43 | Heather | repensum est canigula |
| 22:09.51 | Heather | though I may have the spelling of the last word wrong |
| 22:09.55 | awweaver | Good News, Everyone |
| 22:10.01 | DWSR | The slime is flowing again? |
| 22:10.01 | Lopeppeppy | "I apologize profusely for any inconvenience my murderous rampage may have caused." |
| 22:10.22 | awweaver | ~moo |
| 22:10.22 | purl | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 22:10.30 | DWSR | lol |
| 22:10.35 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: why fail :( |
| 22:10.37 | BWMerlin | lol |
| 22:10.51 | Arathros | lol what a pleasent b-day for my friend at the dorm lol |
| 22:10.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: because your alarm was going off! |
| 22:10.55 | awweaver | ~quack |
| 22:10.56 | purl | from memory, quack is a headless gnutella client, or the noise of a duck, or enhances Emacs support for Scheme http://www.neilvandyke.org/quack/ |
| 22:11.09 | DWSR | headless gnutella. |
| 22:11.12 | DWSR | yum. |
| 22:11.14 | Arathros | some immigrants threw eggs at people and hit him. so i went over and asked them to get the fuck away or I'll call the police |
| 22:11.15 | awweaver | .... |
| 22:11.15 | DWSR | is reminded of nutella. |
| 22:11.24 | Arathros | he attacked me and i beat him to a pulp and called the police |
| 22:11.32 | awweaver | ~meow |
| 22:11.32 | purl | jbot: woem |
| 22:11.35 | Lopeppeppy | Nutella is awesome. |
| 22:11.40 | awweaver | lol |
| 22:11.41 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Yeah, verily. |
| 22:11.44 | Shadowed | ew nutella |
| 22:11.45 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Isn't that a good thing? |
| 22:11.50 | awweaver | ~botsnack |
| 22:11.50 | purl | awweaver: thanks |
| 22:12.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: alarms going off are generally a Bad Thing(TM) |
| 22:12.17 | Lopeppeppy | I will eat your share of the nutella, Shadowed. I am generous like that. |
| 22:12.25 | Lopeppeppy | You may have my peanut butter if you like. |
| 22:12.35 | Shadowed | Lopeppeppy deal |
| 22:12.39 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: :o |
| 22:12.42 | Shadowed | peanut butter is delicious |
| 22:12.44 | DWSR | Blasphemer! |
| 22:12.50 | DWSR | Peanut butter AND Nutella. |
| 22:12.56 | Heather | I make the best peanut butter cookies ever |
| 22:13.07 | awweaver | No u dont |
| 22:13.07 | DWSR | HELLO? It's like a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup on your toast! |
| 22:13.33 | Heather | 1 cup of peanut butter, 1 cup of sugar (or splenda if you're diabetic like I am), 1 egg, mix, bake for 8 minutes |
| 22:13.36 | Lopeppeppy | Eeeew. Peanut butter is of satanic origins. You can eat it. |
| 22:13.49 | awweaver | is riminded of portal... |
| 22:14.16 | Lopeppeppy | We shall do the Jack Sprat bread spreads split, and all be happy! |
| 22:15.06 | DWSR | Why does the LFD always give me such shitty heroics? |
| 22:15.10 | DWSR | HoS, HoL, OK? |
| 22:15.12 | DWSR | What the fuck, man? |
| 22:15.19 | awweaver | Coward Delivery, nder 30 Minutes or its free |
| 22:15.25 | awweaver | uner* |
| 22:15.30 | awweaver | under* |
| 22:15.31 | zenzelezz | the game can't know what instances you like or don't like |
| 22:15.40 | DWSR | zenzelezz: That's not 100% true. |
| 22:15.42 | Shadowed | what Lopeppeppy |
| 22:15.43 | zenzelezz | and if they had to take that into account, putting together groups would be more tricky |
| 22:15.45 | Shadowed | what |
| 22:15.49 | Fisker | why don't you stop me Shadowed ? |
| 22:15.53 | Shadowed | You are the devil get out of here! |
| 22:15.55 | Xyphoid | how else will you learn to enjoy them |
| 22:15.55 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Also, I've received exclusively those 3 instances for the last 15 queues. |
| 22:15.59 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Fisker!~Shadowed@li53-10.members.linode.com] by Shadowed (Fisker) |
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| 22:16.05 | Fisker | Shadowed |
| 22:16.08 | Shadowed | you asked |
| 22:16.16 | Fisker | you didn't stop me |
| 22:16.22 | Shadowed | What am I supposed to stop |
| 22:17.04 | Industrial | Anyone got a myanimelist.net account? http://myanimelist.net/animelist/Industrial |
| 22:17.12 | Industrial | all your list diffs with mine are belong to me |
| 22:17.22 | awweaver | Don't Stop Believein! |
| 22:17.45 | awweaver | i have a feeling spelled it wrong |
| 22:18.00 | Arrowmaster | Industrial: i do but mine hasnt been updated in a while, something always seems to mess up when i try to sync it to anidb |
| 22:18.06 | Industrial | I have a feeling you are leaving words out aswell. |
| 22:18.38 | awweaver | I what? |
| 22:18.49 | Fisker | stop that bug in suf Shadowed |
| 22:18.51 | awweaver | Sometimes i do that... |
| 22:19.00 | Industrial | Arrowmaster: http://myanimelist.net/shared.php?u1=Arrowmaster&u2=Industrial |
| 22:19.06 | awweaver | what bug? i havent noticed anything |
| 22:19.15 | awweaver | uses suf |
| 22:20.00 | Industrial | Fisker's haste around a bit with a jnwhiteh |
| 22:21.10 | Arrowmaster | Industrial: that diff seems rather weird since it seems to be leaving out things on your plan to watch list entirely |
| 22:21.31 | Industrial | Arrowmaster: its only what you have under your belt I guess |
| 22:21.40 | Fisker | hates awweaver |
| 22:21.45 | awweaver | ? |
| 22:21.47 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 22:21.59 | awweaver | y? |
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| 22:22.26 | Arrowmaster | well ive seen things on your plan to watch list and they arent on the list at all |
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| 22:22.37 | Industrial | :S |
| 22:23.23 | Arrowmaster | btw watch mnemosyne asap and just drop excel saga |
| 22:24.50 | Industrial | hai~ o\ |
| 22:24.54 | Fisker | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/1adf1635aad927635d06e7e02a12fdcc.jpg <-THIS! |
| 22:26.00 | Shadowed | what bug Fisker |
| 22:26.29 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/03/17/funny-pictures-haz-deja-vu/ |
| 22:27.01 | awweaver | meow? |
| 22:27.29 | Shirik | reeses puffs reeses puffs |
| 22:27.29 | Fisker | auras positioned outside their area! |
| 22:27.34 | Shirik | peanut butter chocolate flavah |
| 22:28.04 | awweaver | Black Jelly Beans FTWWWW |
| 22:28.34 | DWSR | Fisker: Holy fuck why is your bottom UI area so fucking big? |
| 22:28.36 | Shirik | it's a suppository? |
| 22:28.39 | Shirik | wow |
| 22:28.42 | Shirik | way scrolled up |
| 22:28.44 | Shirik | fail |
| 22:28.54 | Shirik | however, totally awesome timing |
| 22:29.45 | Fisker | DWSR because i like your mother |
| 22:33.07 | kd3 | fail... |
| 22:33.35 | kd3 | phishers "linking" to http://us.battle.net/maintenance.htm?ref=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.worldofwarcraft.com%252Faccount%252F&app=wam |
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| 22:35.32 | awweaver | yay random UP |
| 22:38.28 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/hamming-it-up/4692 |
| 22:39.51 | Fisker | silly jews |
| 22:40.09 | Kraps | hey! |
| 22:40.20 | awweaver | ? |
| 22:41.48 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: What do you think of this song? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI44-tXDDEs |
| 22:42.21 | Shirik | since ScytheBlade1 hates it |
| 22:43.27 | Fisker | i haste it |
| 22:43.42 | Lopeppeppy | listening... |
| 22:44.05 | Fisker | It's music from a disaster movie of course |
| 22:46.33 | Lopeppeppy | I don't dislike it, but it is a very level song. It has no dramatic center. |
| 22:46.55 | Lopeppeppy | As being restful and introspective, it's good. As driving in the car jammin' music, not so much. |
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| 22:48.32 | Shirik | driving in the car jammin' music? |
| 22:48.44 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqd0mAh2vdU&hd=1 is what I listen to in the car |
| 22:48.45 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:48.48 | Shirik | quite different |
| 22:48.57 | Shirik | XM 81 |
| 22:49.01 | Shirik | because they killed the best channel ever, 82 |
| 22:50.42 | awweaver | Some groups are awesome some are just fail |
| 22:53.39 | Lopeppeppy | I listen to Rush, and Vanessa Mae and other hard rock, to inspire me to drive 85 in a 55. |
| 22:53.49 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a signature that Fisker would be proud of: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1586176&cid=31514010 |
| 22:54.03 | awweaver | No one listens to the music i listen to.....\ |
| 22:54.29 | Lopeppeppy | She'd be okay for the car too, Shirik. |
| 22:55.00 | Shirik | I need to get a new car soon |
| 22:55.54 | alestane | Check this tidbit out, Peppy, it's fascinating what it says about our brains: http://www.ted.com/talks/bobby_mcferrin_hacks_your_brain_with_music.html |
| 22:56.16 | Shirik | I get a big white page |
| 22:56.25 | Shirik | definitely haxed |
| 22:56.35 | alestane | Then obviously your browser is sick. |
| 22:56.47 | Shirik | lies |
| 22:56.50 | Shirik | google is perfect |
| 22:56.53 | Lopeppeppy | Baby, we knew my brain was messed up, hello. |
| 22:57.03 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, big white page. |
| 22:57.15 | Lopeppeppy | I think Ted Talks is sick. |
| 22:57.25 | alestane | The last one I loaded took a minute. |
| 22:58.26 | alestane | Try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne6tB2KiZuk , should be the same video. |
| 22:58.28 | Lopeppeppy | No, the page was done loading. It was just empty. |
| 22:59.15 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Just refresh |
| 22:59.34 | alestane | On a completely different note: http://www.examiner.com/x-26373-Domestic-Witchery-Examiner~y2010m3d17-New-Jersey-State-Board-of-Education-approves-PaganWiccan-holidays-for-the-20102011-school-year |
| 23:00.17 | Shadowed | hahahaah |
| 23:01.19 | Shadowed | wow scientology gets a holiday for the authors birthday |
| 23:01.56 | DWSR | religious holidays should officially be unrecognized. |
| 23:02.03 | DWSR | Sorry. |
| 23:02.07 | DWSR | let me rephrase. |
| 23:02.22 | Stanzilla | "nobody should care about religion" |
| 23:02.24 | Stanzilla | fixed |
| 23:02.29 | DWSR | Religious holidays should officially be unrecognized as an excuse to miss school/work/etc. for whatever religion they are. |
| 23:02.47 | Shadowed | Yea good luck with that |
| 23:02.49 | Xyphoid | good luck with that |
| 23:02.51 | Xyphoid | snap |
| 23:03.16 | Shadowed | Interesting article on ted alestane |
| 23:03.21 | Shadowed | Xyphoid jynxs |
| 23:03.51 | awweaver | Jynx? wheres my coke? |
| 23:03.56 | Xyphoid | ls -l |
| 23:04.09 | Xyphoid | er |
| 23:04.13 | Xyphoid | that could have been worse |
| 23:04.17 | Dagmar | Stanzilla: Nah. People should be allowed to care about religion. They just shouldn't be allowed to push it on others, and they *shouldn't kill people over it* |
| 23:04.31 | DWSR | Dagmar: Those things are mutually exclusive. |
| 23:04.33 | awweaver | Did youtube rollback their ugly interface? |
| 23:04.45 | Dagmar | dwsr: No they're not |
| 23:04.47 | Shadowed | Dagmar: GOOD LUCK WITH THAT |
| 23:04.49 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yes they are. |
| 23:04.51 | Shadowed | Tell history not to do that! |
| 23:05.03 | foxlit | which ugly interface? |
| 23:05.15 | DWSR | As soon as people care about religion, they'll try to convert/kill people for it. |
| 23:05.25 | DWSR | That's almost a hallmark *of* a religion |
| 23:05.25 | Dagmar | No they don't. |
| 23:05.40 | awweaver | foxlit, the one they just rolled out....its ugly as sin |
| 23:05.43 | Shadowed | what |
| 23:05.44 | Xyphoid | yeah, i walked past my local anglican church today and they came after me with pikes |
| 23:05.48 | Dagmar | When was the last time you saw a bunch of wiccans or neo-druids rounding up Christians for a nice burning? |
| 23:05.53 | foxlit | Screenshot, please. |
| 23:05.56 | Shadowed | yesterday |
| 23:05.58 | DWSR | Dagmar: This week, actually. |
| 23:06.03 | DWSR | Dagmar: No, seriously. |
| 23:06.06 | Dagmar | link or shens |
| 23:06.15 | DWSR | Dagmar: There was no burning when I walked by. |
| 23:06.21 | DWSR | Wasn't picture worthy. |
| 23:06.24 | awweaver | foxlit, cant i clicked the old youtbe link... |
| 23:06.40 | Dagmar | The wiccans were just viciously ignoring the Christians then? |
| 23:06.45 | DWSR | No. |
| 23:06.57 | DWSR | I said there was no burning. |
| 23:06.58 | Shadowed | People who kill for religion are extremists, saying that if you care about religion means you'll kill people is kind of absurd |
| 23:07.01 | DWSR | I didn't say there was no burning. :P |
| 23:07.14 | DWSR | err. |
| 23:07.16 | DWSR | wow. |
| 23:07.20 | DWSR | Contradiction? |
| 23:07.28 | DWSR | I didn't say there was nothing exciting going on* |
| 23:07.35 | Shadowed | Eh? No it's not |
| 23:07.41 | Shadowed | Most people aren't religious extremists |
| 23:07.53 | Dagmar | I know I'm just begging for someone to question it but... You guys may make yer jokes, but it's my name at the top of the petition for new student organization at my old college. |
| 23:08.04 | Shadowed | (Most people aren't extremists on subjects in general) |
| 23:08.09 | Dagmar | We put together a pagan student union smack in the middle of the bible belt. |
| 23:08.15 | DWSR | Shadowed: Most people are too apathetic. |
| 23:08.29 | DWSR | Dagmar: I'd whole heartedly support that. |
| 23:08.33 | DWSR | Just because |
| 23:08.40 | Dagmar | I caught a lot of flak for it |
| 23:08.42 | Shadowed | Actually most people are too emotional, especially when it comes to their beliefs or opinions |
| 23:08.58 | foxlit | Meh, mutalisks |
| 23:09.02 | Shadowed | It's pretty rare that someone can argue without being attached to an opinion |
| 23:09.06 | Shadowed | Dagmar: haha awesome |
| 23:09.11 | DWSR | Shadowed: Meh, I suppose apathetic's the wrong word. |
| 23:09.15 | DWSR | I would say. |
| 23:09.17 | DWSR | Fucking lazy. |
| 23:09.20 | DWSR | Yeah, that's better. |
| 23:10.09 | DWSR | Also, Shadowed. All the religious people are extremists. |
| 23:10.23 | Shadowed | That's just straight false |
| 23:10.25 | DWSR | No. |
| 23:10.31 | Shadowed | Unless you want to clarify "the religious people" |
| 23:10.33 | DWSR | If you believe in a religion, you believe it is the right way. |
| 23:10.45 | DWSR | It is *the* right way. |
| 23:10.48 | DWSR | *the* right way |
| 23:10.49 | DWSR | *the* |
| 23:11.01 | Shadowed | I'm guessing you mean the as in, a single religious sect, not religion in general? |
| 23:11.08 | foxlit | They're annoyingly mobile -- I don't think I have any units that move as fast? |
| 23:11.10 | DWSR | yes |
| 23:11.30 | Dagmar | DWSR: Actually, there's a number of religions that are almost disturbingly casual about other people's beliefs |
| 23:11.40 | Xyphoid | 'extremist' is a pretty nonspecific term |
| 23:11.43 | Shadowed | Because I know plenty of people who have beliefs, but aren't strict in enforcing people to believe that way |
| 23:11.50 | Dagmar | You won't generally find buddhists getting that excited about other people |
| 23:11.54 | Dagmar | Jus one example |
| 23:11.55 | DWSR | Dagmar: I wish those religions had conducted the Crusades, amirite? |
| 23:12.10 | Shadowed | Crusades were extremists really |
| 23:12.18 | Dagmar | dude, if the buddhists had run the Crusades, everyone would be smoking pot now |
| 23:12.18 | Shadowed | Xyphoid: Nonspecific in what way? |
| 23:12.21 | Dagmar | o wait |
| 23:12.26 | DWSR | As Xyphoid said, extremism is pretty unspecific. |
| 23:12.31 | DWSR | It's just taking something to *an* extreme. |
| 23:12.35 | Shadowed | I'm not sure how it's unspecific |
| 23:13.00 | Xyphoid | it's a very subjective and context-dependent term |
| 23:13.06 | DWSR | I would argue that believing that your religion is the "right" religion is pretty extreme. |
| 23:13.11 | DWSR | So yeah. |
| 23:13.20 | Shadowed | People who blow themselves up in the name of religion are extremists, they believe in a very extreme view to do that |
| 23:13.25 | DWSR | All practitioners of religion are extremists. |
| 23:13.35 | Xyphoid | the word becomes pretty meaningless if you start saying 'all religious people are extremists' |
| 23:13.52 | DWSR | Xyphoid: Yeah, that's sort of the point. It's about as meaningless as religion itself. |
| 23:14.05 | DWSR | i.e. completely. |
| 23:14.30 | Xyphoid | i'm totally convinced solipsism is silly! i'm an extremist! |
| 23:14.43 | Shadowed | Right, which is why I'm not saying all religious people are extremist :p |
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| 23:15.11 | DWSR | Xyphoid: Except that's different than saying "my god is the TRUE god" |
| 23:15.25 | Xyphoid | meanwhile, in useful discussion land, 'extremist' is slightly more useful if you use it to differentiate minority groups within a larger spectrum |
| 23:15.25 | Shadowed | Extremism tends to be people who hold a very narrow view and are, for lack of a better word, "way out there" from what the norm is. |
| 23:15.29 | DWSR | By saying something is silly, you are disagreeing with that thing only. |
| 23:16.04 | DWSR | When saying that something is *the* right way, you're excluding *every* other possibility. |
| 23:16.17 | DWSR | Which is why I view it as extremism (and ignorance, but that's a seperate discussion). |
| 23:17.00 | Shadowed | As long as they aren't blowing up people or buildings or really doing anything illegal, I wouldn't call them extremists |
| 23:17.16 | DWSR | Shadowed: Which is why extremism is pretty non-specific. |
| 23:17.50 | Xyphoid | 'extremist' is also used as a pejorative term |
| 23:17.51 | DWSR | anyway, bbl. |
| 23:17.58 | DWSR | Food, something I can definitely believe in. |
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| 23:18.23 | Shadowed | Well, if you want to use wikipedia |
| 23:18.25 | Shadowed | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremism |
| 23:18.54 | Shadowed | It's used to describe what I said essentially, but it's not really a cut and dry definition |
| 23:20.56 | Arathros | why is it that everytime i make the statement in real life that. well the immigrants are more affected to crime than the normal people in denmark, and its not their fault, they have issues, and i try to defend em. some group always have to play so smart and try to beat me up and fail lol |
| 23:21.44 | Dagmar | Arathros: Offhand, I'll speculate because they're not terrified of what happens if they try and fail |
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| 23:31.58 | alestane | I don't encourage equating religion with dogmatic exclusivity, DWSR. |
| 23:33.50 | Arathros | Dagmar lol the thing is though. i went up to him. told him to get off this property and stop the personal offending on people in this area(its a private area) |
| 23:34.14 | Arathros | he asked. what if I dont do it. i said. I'll call the police and let them handle it. and he took a swung on me.. |
| 23:34.35 | Arathros | turned out i had to really beat him up before i got him in a lock enough to call the cops with the other hand. |
| 23:34.49 | DWSR | alestane: Just because we shouldn't doesn't mean we shouldn't. |
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| 23:35.11 | Shadowed | I'm not sure what I missed |
| 23:35.18 | Shadowed | but that sounds like a bad argument |
| 23:35.23 | Arathros | sad thing if i didnt have the witnesses from the dorms around. i would probably be in jail by now lol |
| 23:35.30 | alestane | That sounds like a catchier way of saying "I'm not interested in what you're saying." |
| 23:35.41 | DWSR | alestane: That's not really what I meant. |
| 23:35.45 | Shadowed | alestane: Sounds like an extremist to me, we should burn him! |
| 23:35.56 | Torhal | Shadowed: See if he floats |
| 23:36.01 | Shadowed | agreed |
| 23:36.08 | alestane | Then you're going to have to expound in a little more detail. |
| 23:36.13 | DWSR | alestane: Just because it's a Bad Idea(tm) doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. |
| 23:36.23 | DWSR | And be we I mean humanity as a whole. |
| 23:36.32 | Shadowed | That's not exactly elaborating, you're just making what you said even more cryptic :p |
| 23:36.37 | DWSR | If only to throw a few idiots into the furnace to prove to the rest of the idiots that it's a bad idea. |
| 23:37.13 | alestane | Then are you asserting that the entirety of mankind should condemn religion as intolerant, unthinking zealotry? |
| 23:37.22 | alestane | ^ all^ religion |
| 23:37.54 | DWSR | No, I didn't say I was going to assert the aforementioned. |
| 23:38.48 | DWSR | Though it seems like a vast majority of it *is*. |
| 23:39.43 | Shadowed | The reason the vast majority of it seems to be is, is because those are the cases that get reported the most and stick out |
| 23:39.57 | Shadowed | The same way people always remember the Rogue who 2 shots them, but not the other 100 times where the Rogue died horribly |
| 23:40.04 | alestane | There certainly has been that, but I think it's similar to the principle that democracy is not really the rule of the majority, but rather the rule of whoever is least willing to stop arguing. |
| 23:40.09 | DWSR | Shadowed: I don't believe that entirely. |
| 23:40.39 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, he's completely right |
| 23:40.48 | DWSR | While I agree that there is a bias, I don't think it's such a skew as to completely conceal some loving middle ground. |
| 23:40.54 | ZorbaBeta | sid meier gave a related talk at GDC, actually |
| 23:41.23 | ZorbaBeta | both related to this and related to the general problem with balancing PvP |
| 23:41.39 | ZorbaBeta | the tester would have a unit attacking another unit, and the game would give them a 3-to-1 chance of winning, and they'd lose, and then report it as a bug. |
| 23:41.45 | Shadowed | hahah |
| 23:41.48 | ZorbaBeta | "but it was 3-to-1! I was *supposed* to win, and I *didn't* win." |
| 23:42.08 | ZorbaBeta | and then later he'd be looking at them trying a 1-to-3 battle, and they'd win, and he'd say "so, was that a problem?" |
| 23:42.14 | ZorbaBeta | "no, no problem, I had a 1-to-3 chance. I mean, that's doable" |
| 23:42.32 | Shadowed | That's not really surprising but yea, it's pretty funny how it works |
| 23:42.39 | ZorbaBeta | everyone expects to win. if people don't win more than 50% of their fights, they think something's broken |
| 23:42.41 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: As I said, it's not that I'm denying *a* Bias. |
| 23:42.45 | ZorbaBeta | but of course not everyone can win more than 50% of their fights |
| 23:43.27 | DWSR | yes they can. |
| 23:43.36 | Kraps | WHY CANT PEOPLE STANDING NEXT TO CHROMIE TALK TO HER |
| 23:43.38 | DWSR | Roundoff error. :D |
| 23:43.39 | Heather | how do I find out the ID number of an object, say a soul shard? |
| 23:43.47 | DWSR | Heather: Search it on WoWhead. |
| 23:43.50 | Shadowed | Heather: As in, you want to find the item type? |
| 23:43.52 | Shadowed | or the itemid |
| 23:43.55 | Heather | the item id |
| 23:43.57 | alestane | Looking it up on wowhead is usually the easiest way. |
| 23:44.00 | DWSR | search on WoWhead |
| 23:44.05 | Shadowed | If you have the item yourself, you can do it in-game |
| 23:44.06 | DWSR | The number int eh URL will be the itemid. |
| 23:44.11 | Shadowed | Just do like /dump "<shift click item link>" |
| 23:44.18 | Shadowed | and you'll see the items meta data |
| 23:44.56 | alestane | The number after the words "item:" is the item ID. |
| 23:45.05 | Shadowed | The *first* numbers |
| 23:45.16 | Shadowed | item:<itemid>: anything after the colon are more meta data |
| 23:46.16 | Heather | do bag slots go from 0 to 4 or 0 to 5? |
| 23:46.20 | Shadowed | 0 to 4 |
| 23:46.26 | alestane | Your bags are 0 to 4. |
| 23:46.39 | Shadowed | 0 is backpack, 4 is the last bag on the left (Looking at the default character bags) |
| 23:46.49 | alestane | Bank is -1, bank deposit bags are 5 to 11, keyring is -2. |
| 23:48.20 | DWSR | That is such a fucked up system. |
| 23:48.34 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 23:48.53 | Shadowed | It's even better when you start having hidden bags firing updates |
| 23:48.58 | Arrowmaster | just think if they decide to add a new bag in an expansion |
| 23:49.10 | foxlit | They'll shift some IDs. |
| 23:49.23 | Arrowmaster | theyve never shifted any before |
| 23:49.28 | alestane | But when I type /dump ", shift-click a soul shard in my bag after the quote, type another quote and hit enter, it reads: |
| 23:49.28 | alestane | [1] = "|cffffffff|Hitem:6265:0:0:0:0:0:0:1852797824:46|h[Soul Shard]|h|r" |
| 23:49.32 | foxlit | There's like two or three places that'd have to change. |
| 23:49.34 | foxlit | Who cares about addons, really? |
| 23:49.36 | alestane | 6265 is the item ID. |
| 23:50.04 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: never had a reason to, really |
| 23:50.11 | Shadowed | foxlit: If at that? I think the only place they care is one variable they set per bag to figure out what bag gets what |
| 23:50.13 | alestane | If it's a new type of bag, they'd probably make it -3. If it's a new bag slot next to your backpack, I think they'd make it 6 and bump the bags up. |
| 23:50.17 | Arrowmaster | alestane: only level 46? |
| 23:50.40 | alestane | That's the level of the character I tested with, Arrowmaster. |
| 23:50.46 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 23:50.55 | alestane | Would you like me to get a link off my 80 'lock? |
| 23:51.32 | Shadowed | yes! |
| 23:53.36 | alestane | [1] = "|cffffffff|Hitem:6265:0:0:0:0:0:0:1852797824:46%7Ch%5BSoul Shard]|h|r" |
| 23:53.55 | Shadowed | You forgot to modify it to say :80! |
| 23:54.24 | alestane | That actually had to do with the way Colloquy copies and pastes rich text. |
| 23:54.26 | alestane | [1] = "|cffffffff|Hitem:6265:0:0:0:0:0:0:1995839104:80|h[Soul Shard]|h|r" |
| 23:54.37 | DWSR | Failoquy? |
| 23:54.43 | foxlit | They should roll it back. |
| 23:54.48 | Shadowed | alestane: You should try Limechat |
| 23:54.59 | alestane | I think I did. |
| 23:55.03 | foxlit | ew? |
| 23:55.07 | alestane | I wasn't thrilled. |
| 23:55.16 | foxlit | http://limechat.net/mac/images/springnight3col.png << I mean, really? |
| 23:55.22 | Shadowed | I found it to be a lot better than Colloquy, namely it didn't lag on input |
| 23:55.34 | alestane | Colloquy handles copy and paste fine as long as it hasn't decided some chunk of text is a link. |
| 23:55.55 | Heather | what api function do I need to use to destroy an item in a bag? I can't find it in the api listing |
| 23:56.14 | Shadowed | Best part of Limechat is the ability to paste large chunks of text and have it auto gist.github it! |
| 23:56.26 | alestane | PickupContainterItem followed by DeleteCursor() iirc. |
| 23:56.28 | DWSR | Heather: www.wowprogramming.com/docs/api |
| 23:56.32 | alestane | !api Delete |
| 23:56.33 | lua_bot | Found 9 possible results for 'Delete': DELETE_ITEM_CONFIRM, InboxItemCanDelete, DeleteInboxItem, DeleteCursorItem, DeleteGMTicket, DeleteFile, DeleteEquipmentSet, DeleteMacro, MovieRecording_DeleteMovie |
| 23:56.41 | foxlit | DeleteCursorItem |
| 23:56.44 | alestane | !api DeleteCursorItem |
| 23:56.46 | lua_bot | DeleteCursorItem: Destroys the item on the cursor (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/DeleteCursorItem) |
| 23:58.44 | Lopeppeppy | I am a cat slave. I just spent half an hour on the phone with the pharmacist debating various meds for my cat. |
| 23:59.59 | alestane | Why does she need meds? |
