| 00:00.19 | foxlit | so you'd have to slap |[^"] in there, and by then we're looking at what shirik had anyway. |
| 00:00.22 | foxlit | What language, Shirik? |
| 00:00.30 | Shirik | C++ |
| 00:00.50 | Dagmar | Oh, I assumed that a single " in the string would *not* count as being enclosed in quotes |
| 00:00.54 | foxlit | I know that in PHP, you can stuff a function as the replacement argument to PCRE. |
| 00:01.06 | Iriel | I'm guessing you're using an RE because you dont want to dick around with buffer management for replacement? |
| 00:01.09 | Dagmar | Meh. Going to buy smokes anyway |
| 00:01.19 | Shirik | Iriel: Also because it's a lot easier to find the ? |
| 00:01.22 | Iriel | Because a quick for loop and a little bit of counting would go a long way |
| 00:01.25 | Shirik | hm |
| 00:01.33 | Shirik | I guess I could just keep a bool |
| 00:01.36 | Shirik | and go "on off" |
| 00:02.39 | Dagmar | At this point I'd just say to hell with doing it with one regexp. Clone the string, replace anything between two " marks with nothing, and THEN go looking for ? marks |
| 00:02.51 | Dagmar | If ya can't read it you're f**ked for debugging it |
| 00:03.01 | Dagmar | Doubly f**ked if you didn't write it |
| 00:03.04 | Shirik | That doesn't really help me |
| 00:03.18 | Shirik | I'm not trying to find if a ? exists, I already know that |
| 00:03.22 | Shirik | I need to replace right at the ? |
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| 00:07.29 | Wobin | http://daily-quests.com/comic/?p=492 |
| 00:11.25 | Dagmar | This is one of those damn things that needs a lookahead match |
| 00:20.29 | DWSR | I know I've made the right decision to kick a person from a random heroic when they make a toon on my server to attempt to bitch me out |
| 00:21.01 | Dagmar | Just ask 'em how they're mom is doing |
| 00:21.09 | Dagmar | Not too sore after last night you hope |
| 00:21.15 | Dagmar | s/they're/their/; |
| 00:21.23 | Wobin | DWSR, also, report them |
| 00:21.28 | Wobin | so they enjoy tempban |
| 00:21.31 | Dagmar | Any complaint should be met with "OH! She didn't tell you? My bad." |
| 00:22.08 | Dagmar | I always go for the full on ragequit if I can get it |
| 00:22.22 | Cide | hi |
| 00:22.30 | Dagmar | GMs can't prove you and their mom didn't have something going on |
| 00:22.33 | Cide | protoss got nerfed :( |
| 00:22.37 | Cide | discuss |
| 00:22.50 | DWSR | Cide: Fuck you. :) |
| 00:23.30 | Iriel | Why would they nerf them ? |
| 00:23.50 | Cide | in high-end games, PvP deteriorated into a very stupid strategy |
| 00:24.23 | Cide | i.e. both players would research warp gate ASAP, build a pylon in the opponent's base, warp in zealots, and destroy each other's bases |
| 00:24.32 | Cide | basically a race to get rid of the opponent's buildings before he gets rid of yours |
| 00:24.51 | Cide | so they had to nerf the warp gate research time to make that strategy void |
| 00:24.57 | Cide | 60 => 140 seconds |
| 00:25.13 | Cide | and phoenixes didn't get buffed, boo |
| 00:27.39 | Fisker | hello Cide |
| 00:27.55 | Cide | hi Fisker |
| 00:34.49 | Wobin | Cide, so a high end version of the zerg rush =P |
| 00:34.57 | Fisker | stop killing me Wobin |
| 00:35.01 | tlund | im looking for an addon like XLoot, to enhance the loot frame, but I'm looking for a specific feature - keeping the loot frame open, even after you move away from the mob. I want to be able to move-over loot to get tooltips when i am running to the next trash pull.. anyone have any suggestions? |
| 00:35.01 | Fisker | or my cat will be disappoint |
| 00:35.18 | Wobin | tlund, tekloot? |
| 00:35.27 | Cide | Wobin: pretty much |
| 00:35.39 | tlund | Wobin: that only works for rolls? |
| 00:35.40 | Cide | Wobin: except you couldn't counter it by NOT rushing yourself |
| 00:35.53 | Wobin | tlund, yes |
| 00:36.09 | Wobin | tlund, but only because rolled items stay interactable after you close the loot window |
| 00:36.13 | Wobin | normal loot items don't |
| 00:36.37 | Wobin | Cide, wouldn't that open your base up to being warp pylon'd? |
| 00:37.01 | tlund | i dont need to be able to interact with them, i just need to be able to mouse-over them to get tooltips (and use outfitters tooltips for multiple outfits compare) |
| 00:37.29 | Wobin | I reckon you'll have to make it yourself |
| 00:37.46 | Cide | Wobin: hm? |
| 00:40.16 | kd3 | lmao, fark: "Beheaded Vikings found in mass grave unearthed at Olympics construction site in London. Well, damn, I know they choked away the NFC Championship Game, but that's kinda harsh [Interesting]" |
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| 00:47.06 | Wobin | Cide, well, if they do the research, and you don't |
| 00:47.15 | Wobin | oh |
| 00:47.16 | Wobin | nm |
| 00:47.18 | Wobin | I misread |
| 00:47.31 | Wobin | missed the 'couldn't' |
| 00:52.17 | Cide | Shirik is so afk |
| 00:53.55 | Arathros | god its good to be drunk |
| 00:59.47 | alestane | Ok, I hope video or at least audio of that Rob Pardo talks turns up somewhere soon. |
| 01:00.54 | Cide | what talk? |
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| 01:02.05 | alestane | http://www.wow.com/photos/rob-pardo-gdc-making-a-standard-and-sticking-to-it/full/#2793555 |
| 01:02.35 | Fisker | i'm sorry alestane |
| 01:02.41 | Fisker | but you seem to have linked a faggot site |
| 01:02.48 | Fisker | would you like to have that corrected? |
| 01:03.24 | alestane | I'm not a huge fan of WoWInsider myself, but it's where someone linked me the slides. |
| 01:04.11 | Dagmar | That slide pretty much sums up why we tune interfaces |
| 01:04.53 | Fisker | http://www.wow.com/photos/rob-pardo-gdc-making-a-standard-and-sticking-to-it/full/#2793525 <-pretty funny though |
| 01:06.50 | Fisker | agreed on vehicles! btw |
| 01:08.32 | Dagmar | 2793554 == Blizzard Kool Aid. =) |
| 01:11.29 | Fisker | hmm |
| 01:11.35 | Fisker | seems like armor values have been changed |
| 01:16.27 | Dagmar | Hehe. "In WC3, only male night elves were druids." (Female night elves were all strippers, who have little strategic value in combat) |
| 01:17.22 | Fisker | where does it say that? :( |
| 01:17.30 | Dagmar | It's implied |
| 01:17.31 | Fisker | unless attempt at funny has been made |
| 01:17.34 | Fisker | naw! |
| 01:17.49 | Fisker | You know that females in lore are warriors right? |
| 01:19.03 | Shirik | ?? |
| 01:19.11 | Shirik | wtf is that supposed to mean |
| 01:19.33 | Fisker | what does what mean? |
| 01:19.36 | Cide | answer my pm Shirik :( |
| 01:19.41 | Shirik | what pm |
| 01:19.46 | Cide | the one I sent you |
| 01:19.55 | Dagmar | It means that book authors are more worried about being called sexist pigs than game develoeprs |
| 01:20.38 | Dagmar | With few exceptions, women don't fight because in cultures where women fight, perpetuation of the species is threatened |
| 01:20.58 | Fisker | huh? |
| 01:22.19 | Dagmar | Find me a historic example of any actual culture on earth where men give birth |
| 01:22.33 | Fisker | i was talking about warcraft lore |
| 01:22.44 | Fisker | Only males could be druids and only women could be "warriors" |
| 01:23.08 | Dagmar | I am not sure you have cause and effect straight there. |
| 01:23.20 | Fisker | what do you mean? |
| 01:23.34 | Dagmar | Which game first, the video game or the _lore_ you speak of |
| 01:24.33 | Fisker | you still make no sense |
| 01:24.46 | Dagmar | That's okay because you're still Fisker. |
| 01:25.28 | alestane | While I think the main reason behind the lore distinction actually stems from the ease of creating fewer models and animations for each unit, the "lore" holds up better than it would in Earth history because the Kal'dorei are not heavily driven by fertility. |
| 01:25.55 | alestane | Both their birth and death rates are very low (most of the time) compared to humans. |
| 01:26.28 | alestane | How many night elf juveniles are there in WoW? |
| 01:26.41 | Dagmar | Check your nearest mailbox |
| 01:26.56 | alestane | Not what I meant by juvenile, as I think you know. |
| 01:27.23 | alestane | How many NPC night elf juveniles are there in WoW? |
| 01:27.27 | Dagmar | I know, I know. I've not seen any. I assume they're keeping them all locked away until they get old enough to have some sense and be allowed out in polite company. |
| 01:27.32 | alestane | One. |
| 01:27.38 | Dagmar | You've seen one? |
| 01:27.44 | alestane | She's sick and part of a quest line in astranaar. |
| 01:28.18 | alestane | Her age is unclear but she 's probably the nelf equivalent of a tweenie. |
| 01:29.11 | alestane | There's at least one younger dwarf chasing a rabbit at Amberstill Ranch. |
| 01:29.26 | alestane | But by contrast, there's an entire orphange in Stormwind. |
| 01:30.31 | Dagmar | They had one as king for awhile |
| 01:30.40 | alestane | And he's still there. |
| 01:30.55 | Dagmar | Someone killed off that prick, Varian then? |
| 01:31.05 | Fisker | i wish |
| 01:31.11 | alestane | No, but Anduin is standing by the throne. |
| 01:31.18 | Fisker | final end boss of cataclysm would be welcome if it was garrosh and varian |
| 01:33.01 | alestane | I think it's a deliberate choice in the character of both that you're not terribly comfortable with either one in a position of undisputed leadership. |
| 01:33.13 | Fisker | that's obvious |
| 01:33.13 | Dagmar | I'll take Varian and that giant foot from Monty Python. |
| 01:33.14 | Fisker | and that's my problem with it |
| 01:33.35 | Dagmar | I'm Alliance through and through and I'd take Hellscream over Varian in the blink of an eye |
| 01:33.55 | Dagmar | Hellscream might be crazy, but he's not a pompous ass |
| 01:34.24 | alestane | Garrosh is untested. He's been living with his father's heritage and doesn't know how to make his way on his own. |
| 01:34.40 | Dagmar | Still, the devil you don't know over the devil you do. |
| 01:34.56 | alestane | Varian Wrynn, on the other hand, is a broken man. He's still living in his own past and can't face the present. |
| 01:35.12 | alestane | His opinions and personality are dominated by what he's been put through. |
| 01:36.13 | Dagmar | ...which IMHO, makes him completely unsuited to lead. |
| 01:36.21 | alestane | Oh, hideously so. |
| 01:36.51 | alestane | He's trying to fix the scenario where he was a gladiatorial slave, even though he's not there anymore. |
| 01:37.18 | Dagmar | Like, *if* I could talk to Horde I'd be askin' 'em their business when they came into Stormwind. "Oh, you're here to kill Wrynn? Well, I've got some things to be doin' over in Goldshire..." |
| 01:37.29 | alestane | Ironically, IIRC Thrall was raised and trained for the arena as well, but Thrall is much more well-adjusted. |
| 01:37.39 | Dagmar | I don't ask questions when they're in Ironforge and not fishing |
| 01:38.15 | Dagmar | alestane: I think Thrall "worked" through his issues. ;) |
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| 01:38.48 | Dagmar | Sadly, I had to explain to my guild master the point of that particular epic escape |
| 01:39.11 | Dagmar | He didn't make the connection to the storyline about why Thrall was on a killing spree |
| 01:39.22 | alestane | Dagmar: THe night elf "child" is Relara Whitemoon in Astranaar, although I think they took the normal nelf female model and scaled it down rather than making a proper model. |
| 01:40.12 | Dagmar | I vaguely remember seeing her there |
| 01:40.40 | Dagmar | I *do* acutally read quest logs, although what I retain after about thirty seconds amounts to "The nice lady in that hut wants some flowers" |
| 01:40.59 | alestane | The quest starts at Maestra's Post where someone asks you to gather an herb called Bathran's Hair from the ruins full of Forsaken. |
| 01:41.03 | Dagmar | Now, if they started not paying out in gold for these little errands, I might be a bit more choosy |
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| 01:42.36 | Dagmar | Yep. I've run that storyline through a couple of times now. They seem like nice people. |
| 01:43.02 | Dagmar | What a dwarf hears when they talk is "blah blah blah RUINS blah blah blah" |
| 01:43.18 | alestane | Even if the quest connections pretty much boil down to "Nope, she's still not better yet." |
| 01:43.20 | Dagmar | "There's mysterious ruins you say?" |
| 01:44.24 | alestane | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/ding/page0001.aspx |
| 01:45.30 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 01:48.15 | Dagmar | 3.3.3. will make orb rolls automatic greed? Sweet! |
| 01:48.47 | theorbtwo | It'll only let you need on things you can wear is the idea, I think. |
| 01:48.55 | Dagmar | Hey it works for me |
| 01:49.15 | Dagmar | Anything that procedurally eliminates douchebaggery I'm all for |
| 01:53.07 | alestane | I'll be interested to see what if any social explosions happen as a result. |
| 01:53.42 | Dagmar | I doubt it'll do anything spectacular, unless you count pissing off the few people lame enough to try ninjaing the things |
| 01:54.10 | Dagmar | I see it happen about every fifth run or so |
| 01:54.42 | alestane | In my experience, when people sit down and rationally ask, "Can anyone think of a reason why we shouldn't do this?", *something* invariably gets missed. |
| 01:55.43 | Dagmar | Well, if anyone truly doesn't want their orb, I'm sure they'll have no problems asking the group to roll again so they can give it to someone |
| 01:58.31 | Dagmar | I'm glad I have an engineer closing in on 450 |
| 01:58.51 | Dagmar | If that rocket's not a card drop (heh) it should provide lots of giggles |
| 02:12.57 | Wobin | rocket? |
| 02:25.06 | Wobin | Dagmar, ^ |
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| 02:38.26 | ZorbaTHut | I sort of feel that most objects just shouldn't be needable |
| 02:38.28 | ZorbaTHut | gems, for example |
| 02:38.32 | ZorbaTHut | why yes I do need that star ruby |
| 02:38.34 | ZorbaTHut | I need it for money |
| 02:38.44 | Wobin | I need it for the lulz |
| 02:39.42 | Dagmar | Wobin: You do not yet know of the wonder that is the X-53 touring rocket? It's got *two seats* |
| 02:39.53 | Wobin | Dagmar, is it an engineering recipe? |
| 02:39.57 | Dagmar | Dunno. |
| 02:40.04 | Dagmar | I kinda don't think it'll be a drop |
| 02:40.10 | Wobin | hopes hopeshopeshopeshopehopehopes |
| 02:40.28 | Wobin | actually, the one thing I want in the game? |
| 02:40.35 | Dagmar | It took me awhile to figure out how to chuck a passenger in the drink after the last change |
| 02:40.44 | Dagmar | Probably it'll be easier with the rocket |
| 02:40.46 | Wobin | the Merrie Melodies "hopping crow" walking animation for druid flight forms |
| 02:41.23 | Wobin | cause flight form needs a walking animation |
| 02:41.29 | Wobin | and -that- would be awesome beyond belief |
| 02:41.34 | Dagmar | He, monkeys needed a jumping animation |
| 02:41.41 | Dagmar | s/He/Heh |
| 02:44.22 | Dagmar | W00t! "Congratulations, you have been chosen to participate in the Closed-Beta test of LEGO Universe!" |
| 02:44.38 | Wobin | hehe |
| 02:44.40 | Wobin | grats =) |
| 02:44.44 | Wobin | how did you sign up for that? |
| 02:44.52 | Thrae | Wobin: OK, I think I figured out my "spammable" Bear 'zerk macro. I just made it do Berserk then Mangle 10 times. |
| 02:44.53 | Dagmar | Imma sploit like no man has sploited before |
| 02:45.23 | Dagmar | Wobin: clicked on some stuff on their website the day they finally announced beta signups. I've been stalking them about it since they first announced they were doing an MMO |
| 02:46.40 | Thrae | Wobin: Also, DroodFocus is fun |
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| 02:47.35 | Dagmar | Wobin: This'll also be prolly the last time I'll even mention it, since there's actually an NDA |
| 02:50.05 | Wobin | Dagmar, sounds good =) |
| 02:50.29 | Thrae | Sexy Cooldown is not as Sexy as DroodFocus, but it is still rather Sexy |
| 02:50.34 | Wobin | also |
| 02:50.39 | Wobin | cat running animation should be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnZn3s7Atvc#t=3m38s |
| 02:51.55 | Thrae | Wobin: Today I was running around Azeroth doing Timbermaw quests (bored) and I found Feral Charge (Cat) to be VERY cool in attacking enemies I might spend 5 minutes trying to figure out the pathing through invisible walls |
| 02:52.37 | Thrae | Death Knights get Death Grip, I'm thinking Warriors should get Leap to replace their Intercept |
| 02:52.47 | Thrae | Or at least the same leaping effect |
| 02:53.34 | Thrae | Leaping Bears doesn't make a lot of sense, even if they have Goblin Rocket Packs |
| 02:55.49 | Thrae | Actually, charging bears doesn't make a lot of sense either |
| 02:56.06 | Corrodias | if you've been leapt upon by a charging bear |
| 02:56.06 | Thrae | I'm trying to think of an animation that would fit them better |
| 02:56.08 | Corrodias | you will know. |
| 02:56.22 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djxnw090EeE#t=1m46s |
| 02:56.25 | Wobin | THIS WALK! |
| 02:56.32 | Wobin | this would be-awesome- for flightform |
| 02:57.31 | Thrae | I think the Bear's Charge animation just has his legs dangling during the charge. I would like to see the Bear brace itself, then leap horizontally (not an arcing leap). |
| 02:58.02 | Thrae | Like it was rocket-propelled or some such nonsense. |
| 02:58.59 | Thrae | Cat leaping should have the cat's body arc with the leap instead of just remaining horizontal, but that's a given |
| 02:59.42 | Thrae | Blizzard's leaping mechanism usually has enemies that are more vertical to begin with (like Barbarians), so the cat leaping effect doesn't look as cool as it should be |
| 02:59.59 | Thrae | s/enemies/models |
| 03:00.41 | Wobin | target of the box tends to be the head also |
| 03:00.52 | Wobin | so ridiculously large hitboxes mean wierd looking pathing |
| 03:01.08 | Thrae | Yeah Cats/Bears are all messed up as the only horizontally-oriented models |
| 03:01.28 | Dagmar | Not just the head, the _nose_ tip |
| 03:01.33 | Thrae | Worgens would have trouble too, which is why I think we have a chance of finally having it fixed in Cata |
| 03:01.39 | Dagmar | ...which is pretty strange sometimes when you're a hunter |
| 03:02.46 | Wobin | Dagmar, any spells, when watching how they path to a mob that's head is moving =) |
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| 03:08.08 | Dagmar | Wobin: Because of the size of bullets and hunte spell effects, I think it comes out worst there |
| 03:08.39 | Wobin | Thrae, what do you think of my druid animation suggestions? =) |
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| 03:12.43 | Wobin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23766797388&postId=237646689115&sid=1#0 |
| 03:13.13 | Corrodias | hahahah. yes. |
| 03:14.01 | Dagmar | The amount of hate you're going to generate should be able to heat small villages for a year |
| 03:14.09 | Wobin | it'll be AWESOME =) |
| 03:16.24 | Dagmar | Where the hell in that vid is hte bird? |
| 03:16.59 | Dagmar | Ah here we are, way at the nd |
| 03:17.56 | Wobin | the timestamp should link directly there =\ |
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| 03:19.10 | Dagmar | The moment it gets a walk animation I think we can spacebar the rest |
| 03:19.40 | Wobin | I would get together a group of druids |
| 03:19.49 | Dagmar | Interesting. Something about the way they catch the time marker makes it basically ignore you if you're already looking at the page |
| 03:19.54 | Wobin | and parade walk in a circle around Dalaran |
| 03:20.24 | Dagmar | Let's wait and see how many players call you a racist, first |
| 03:20.31 | Dagmar | s/players/trolls/; |
| 03:20.50 | Wobin | hehe I'll respond with "omg, the bird is BLACK?" |
| 03:21.11 | Dagmar | Good call |
| 03:21.46 | Dagmar | For the record, the cartoon isn't the least bit racist |
| 03:22.18 | Dagmar | Big round eyes make it a cartoon. ;) |
| 03:22.23 | Wobin | hehe |
| 03:38.50 | DWSR | Dagmar |
| 03:38.51 | Kemayo | I just had to hunt down the escape sequence for putting icons in text, because my wife needed it. I knew what I was looking for, and had used it before, and that was still difficult to find. :P |
| 03:40.10 | Wobin | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Escape_Sequences ? |
| 03:40.48 | Kemayo | Indeed. |
| 03:41.04 | Kemayo | But I started from thinking "there's a way to put icons in text, isn't there..." |
| 03:41.31 | Kemayo | If I'd remembered from the start that "escape sequence" was the key phrase, it would have been much quicker. |
| 03:45.36 | DWSR | {icon} |
| 03:45.40 | DWSR | Is how to do it |
| 03:45.42 | DWSR | {skull} |
| 03:45.43 | DWSR | {x} |
| 03:45.44 | DWSR | etc |
| 03:46.59 | Kemayo | That's the handy defaults; I was looking for how to put arbitrary textures in, which is |T. |
| 03:47.05 | DWSR | ah, yes. |
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| 04:52.44 | tem | hmm |
| 04:52.47 | tem | I need to learn php |
| 04:52.49 | tem | like immediately |
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| 04:53.14 | tem | and I'd like to do it without developing bad habits that will haunt me when I try to maintain anything I write in php |
| 04:53.18 | tem | any reccomendations |
| 04:53.19 | tem | ? |
| 04:55.43 | Corrodias | changing your name and forgetting this ever happened |
| 04:57.58 | ZorbaTHut | tem> I need to learn php |
| 04:58.04 | ZorbaTHut | tem> without developing bad habits |
| 04:58.09 | ZorbaTHut | yeah I'm sorry those two statements are contradictory |
| 04:58.27 | tem | hurp durp |
| 05:01.39 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Are they mutually exclusive? |
| 05:02.16 | ZorbaTHut | that as well |
| 05:02.34 | ZorbaTHut | what I'm getting at is that PHP is terrible |
| 05:03.58 | tem | I respecfully disagree |
| 05:04.11 | tem | I think the code can be super ugly if you aren't careful |
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| 05:08.16 | tem | also, requiring a $ before variable names is just going to piss me off |
| 05:08.34 | tem | it's only like the most awkward button ever on my keyboard |
| 05:08.41 | tem | and I have to type it frequently? |
| 05:08.44 | tem | fuck you, buddy |
| 05:10.16 | Corrodias | shift+4 can't be that uncommon if you play WoW! |
| 05:11.06 | ZorbaTHut | PHP has a built-in comparison operator that is not transitive. I feel this alone is a strong argument against going anywhere near the language. |
| 05:11.15 | tem | I don't use modifier keys |
| 05:11.19 | tem | for keybinds |
| 05:11.25 | tem | too awkward |
| 05:11.47 | tem | ZorbaTHut, can you give an example of that? |
| 05:11.52 | ZorbaTHut | "11" < "a", "a" < 2, 2 < "11" |
| 05:11.54 | kd3 | zorba; which is why any sane guides to php say 'use === and !==, not == and !=' |
| 05:11.56 | tem | a>b, b>c -> a>c |
| 05:12.14 | ZorbaTHut | kd3, saner guides say "don't use php". |
| 05:12.33 | ZorbaTHut | the existence of an entire standard operator that is deprecated is a *very* strong argument against the language itself. |
| 05:13.03 | ZorbaTHut | PHP's sole strength is its libraries and its popularity. PHP is only popular because PHP is popular. It has no other redeeming features. |
| 05:13.35 | kd3 | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Coding_conventions#PHP_pitfalls |
| 05:14.03 | kd3 | tem, ^ |
| 05:14.19 | tem | thanks, kd3 |
| 05:14.31 | kd3 | namely, "conversion to boolean is utterly broken" |
| 05:14.39 | tem | ZorbaTHut, I appreciate that you hate php, but I don't have a choice here. So thanks for being completely unhelpful. |
| 05:15.44 | ZorbaTHut | tem, *shrug* I was making a joke. I mean, if you really want help about how to learn PHP properly, you might want to try #php :P |
| 05:16.14 | tem | that's a good suggestion. thanks |
| 05:16.16 | Dagmar | kd3: I think that's common of a lot of languages now |
| 05:16.28 | Dagmar | People don't respect the magic you can do with arcane boolean ops |
| 05:16.32 | ZorbaTHut | anyway it wasn't clear at all from your initial comment that you didn't have a choice |
| 05:16.44 | Dagmar | ...of course they're generally damnably unreadable too, so they might have something. |
| 05:17.00 | kd3 | ...ya |
| 05:17.26 | Dagmar | I remember my pascal instructor in college swearing up and down that the code I'd written in lieu of a case statement was complete nonsense which coulnd't possibly run. |
| 05:17.34 | Dagmar | Heh heh heh. |
| 05:17.56 | ZorbaTHut | my favorite trick for parlaying valid code out of apparent nonsense is the old C 0[""] trick |
| 05:18.32 | Dagmar | I loved writing code like that, especially when someone decided to foolishly start stealing my printouts and trying to pass them off as his own work. |
| 05:19.12 | Dagmar | I *deliberately* wrote constructs like Is(it.soup->[yet]) |
| 05:19.39 | kd3 | winces |
| 05:20.23 | batrick | ZorbaTHut: that is dead sexy |
| 05:20.44 | ZorbaTHut | batrick, I especially like how you can chain it off itself |
| 05:20.51 | Dagmar | Yeah that stuff is awesome when you want to make sure the code is "yours" |
| 05:21.11 | Dagmar | Someone claiming your work gets to claim your insanity as well. :) |
| 05:21.30 | batrick | aye |
| 05:21.41 | batrick | i never had that problem really in my days |
| 05:21.44 | ZorbaTHut | 0[""][""], (1-1)[""], (sizeof(char)*0)[""+1["0"]] |
| 05:21.45 | ZorbaTHut | wheeee |
| 05:23.43 | Dagmar | heers |
| 05:23.46 | Dagmar | er cheers |
| 05:24.23 | batrick | wonders what the future will hold now that lua module is now in apache by default |
| 05:24.29 | batrick | maybe hopefully php will die |
| 05:24.36 | Dagmar | batrick: You probably never had to code on a C=64. I did more than a bit of banging on C-Net BBS software, and it had _many_ constructions in it that most people would consider insanity now |
| 05:24.43 | batrick | assuming someone finds the time to fix it up |
| 05:24.59 | batrick | can't say i have |
| 05:25.03 | batrick | that some microsoft thing? |
| 05:25.13 | Dagmar | batrick: PHP will probably never die, although we'll probably see PHP9 before it's actually as coherent and efficient as they claim |
| 05:25.31 | batrick | i don't think so |
| 05:25.37 | batrick | lua module just needs ot prove it's worth |
| 05:25.42 | Dagmar | batrick: Um... No. C-Net BBS was _the_ BBS software that people used modems with shortly after dinosaurs left the surface |
| 05:25.49 | batrick | i think many of the bigger sites will jump on the wagon is luamod is up to the task |
| 05:25.58 | batrick | especially if they can integrate luajit |
| 05:26.20 | Dagmar | Probably. LUa has a huge advantage in that it's pretty well designed to let you just chop whole rafts of functionality off it on a whim |
| 05:26.24 | tem | web development in lua |
| 05:26.33 | tem | excuse me I need to change my pants |
| 05:26.38 | batrick | =D |
| 05:26.41 | batrick | seriously though |
| 05:26.57 | batrick | once it matures i easily see all the big web dev companies (e.g. facebook) converting |
| 05:27.06 | batrick | it's just way too attractive |
| 05:27.32 | batrick | then learning Lua will be the thing all companies will want because Lua is the new thing according to X too-big-to-fail company |
| 05:28.10 | batrick | i was going to actually fixup modwombat but apache modules are so fucking confusing i can't devote the time to learn them |
| 05:28.41 | batrick | and i can't be fucked buying the apache module book to do them a favor |
| 05:29.03 | ZorbaTHut | batrick, lua's disadvantage here is going to be that all the plugins need to be rewritten |
| 05:29.12 | ZorbaTHut | on the other hand, at least it's really, really easy to do so |
| 05:29.38 | ZorbaTHut | and yeah lua's making huge strides. there was a full one-day course on Lua integration at GDC |
| 05:29.43 | Dagmar | Being able to slice out the bits that the skiddies abuse will be HUGE |
| 05:30.09 | ZorbaTHut | getting rid of idiocy like PHP magic quotes. oh man, so nice. |
| 05:30.12 | batrick | GDC =? |
| 05:30.21 | tem | game dev conference? |
| 05:30.22 | Dagmar | Management types will say "Wait, you can just take file I/O support completely out of it?" |
| 05:30.24 | batrick | ah |
| 05:30.28 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, game development conference |
| 05:30.33 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, "yes!" |
| 05:30.36 | ZorbaTHut | "it's pretty easy too" |
| 05:30.37 | Dagmar | Exactly |
| 05:31.20 | batrick | i don't have any doubt L:ua will supplant php when someone up to the task makes the lua module good |
| 05:31.29 | batrick | their biggest problem right now is 0 fucking documentation |
| 05:31.50 | ZorbaTHut | well, it'll still be slow going |
| 05:32.05 | batrick | i don't think most of the dev's know how to write a lua infrastructure |
| 05:32.06 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, tons of existing sites in php, php is the lingua franca, missing plugins for many features |
| 05:32.57 | batrick | too bad i'm doing research all summer or i'd do gsoc for apache |
| 05:33.04 | batrick | one of you guys should do it |
| 05:33.18 | tem | this makes me want to write a lua web framework |
| 05:34.45 | tem | oh boy the php channel has some great people in it |
| 05:34.50 | Dagmar | Nightmarish thing to hear on CNN: "How would you feel the first time you woke up, and your penis was gone..." |
| 05:34.54 | tem | hey guys can someone really help me ive been hitting at it for 25mins i got a headache lol its so simple yet i cant get it... here is my var_dump: http://i39.tinypic.com/szc27r.jpg - im trying to get the user_id i mean i tried every single combination echo $user_info['user_id']; echo $user_info[0]['user_id']; echo $user_info[0][0]['user_id']; etc..... |
| 05:34.59 | tem | *stab* |
| 05:35.10 | tem | also, lol @ his paste being a fucking screenshot |
| 05:36.00 | batrick | w00t raining |
| 05:36.44 | tem | having a drought, batrick? |
| 05:37.05 | Dagmar | tem: Maybe do a dump of the most straightforward invocation. I'd have thought you'd have it from just $user_info['user_id'] |
| 05:37.12 | batrick | no i live in indiana |
| 05:37.17 | batrick | nice change from snow |
| 05:37.19 | Thrae | Wobin: Sorry was in ICC25, failing to kill Marrowgar |
| 05:37.23 | tem | Dagmar, I'm not asking |
| 05:37.29 | tem | I'm ridiculing the guy asking |
| 05:37.36 | tem | because his question made me want to stab him instead of help |
| 05:38.04 | tem | Dagmar, also, wtf is up with that cnn quote? |
| 05:38.05 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 05:38.41 | Dagmar | tem: They're doing some special on transgenderism here and we leave one of the displays on CNN so if someone flies planes into a building or something we'll be able to tell upper management about it |
| 05:39.09 | Dagmar | I just had to kill the sound completely becuase someone just went into a (FAR MORE THAN I WANT TO KNOW) detailed description of what they do with the leftover bits, so to speak |
| 05:39.20 | DWSR | tem: You working with Drupal? |
| 05:39.29 | tem | I don't know |
| 05:39.31 | tem | probably not |
| 05:39.55 | DWSR | `that sounds like a drupal question |
| 05:40.11 | kd3 | http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/view/feature/119-Broadcast-Clichs-in-One-Sentence-889 |
| 05:40.54 | tem | I'm going to murder the next person who thinks I'm actually asking that question above |
| 05:41.10 | tem | I'm insulted that you could read that... gibberish and think I wrote it |
| 05:41.24 | kd3 | I uh... ow at the previous link |
| 05:42.47 | tem | I would like to know how the media decides on a "catch phrase" for something |
| 05:42.58 | tem | like the Biden thing this week was "a slap in the face" |
| 05:43.02 | Dagmar | You hear it so much the syllables start to lose their meaning |
| 05:43.25 | Dagmar | They are actually tired of hearing their own lips flap |
| 05:43.49 | Dagmar | This is how ya wind up with "persons" on the air saying crap like "mentally disabled people" |
| 05:44.00 | tem | Or how a few weeks ago the democrats were going to "shove the healthcare bill down the peoples' throat" |
| 05:44.15 | tem | it's these weird metaphores that are common across many different networks |
| 05:44.21 | Dagmar | I'm escalating to just yelling at WTVF the next time they refer to the home for the retarded (crass, but clear) as a home for the mentally disabled. |
| 05:44.36 | Dagmar | Ther'es a LONG damn haul from handicapped to disabled and being in a vegetative state |
| 05:44.52 | tem | or "Is the honeymoon period over?" shortly after obama was in office |
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| 05:45.06 | Dagmar | tem: It's just another form of "Discuss." |
| 05:45.17 | Dagmar | They can't be bothered to come up with original reporting, so why bother with original verbiage. |
| 05:45.27 | tem | I just don't get how they don't make up their own words for the event |
| 05:45.54 | Dagmar | Yeah well, that's how you get things like "persons" which is still not a word, afaic |
| 05:46.18 | tem | Also, I find the usage of "slap in the face" this week to be particularly amusing because of its history on the wow boards as something of a cliche |
| 05:46.21 | Dagmar | If you're going to say something paradoxical, there's no need to shove all the memetics into one damn word |
| 05:47.18 | Dagmar | You can also draw a direct correlation between the price of the dirtbag's lawyer and the number of times the news crews say "allegedly" |
| 05:47.29 | Dagmar | If they have no lawyer, there is seldom an "allegedly". |
| 05:47.45 | Dagmar | "Allegedly" is also a word I don't think I've heard Nancy Grace use, ever. |
| 05:49.25 | Adys | Anyone actively levelling an alt? |
| 05:49.39 | Adys | if so, which class, race and lvl? |
| 05:49.47 | DWSR | Adys: I just finished about a week ago |
| 05:49.49 | DWSR | Nelf DK |
| 05:49.57 | Adys | I'm more looking for someone starting |
| 05:50.00 | Adys | sub 30 or so |
| 05:50.05 | DWSR | why? |
| 05:50.17 | Adys | so I can secretly have sex with them |
| 05:50.51 | Adys | short answer is i need an addon tested |
| 05:51.43 | Adys | and btw |
| 05:51.50 | Adys | shadowed ping shadowed shadowed |
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| 05:56.12 | Thunder_Child | damit Adys stop waking me up |
| 05:56.22 | Adys | YOUR MAMA |
| 05:56.31 | Thunder_Child | is dead, next? |
| 05:56.50 | Adys | YOUR PAPA |
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| 05:59.22 | Thunder_Child | not much better |
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| 06:06.03 | Adys | Thunder_Child: well I guess that just leaves you |
| 06:06.15 | Thunder_Child | works |
| 06:22.21 | ccox | Dark Chocolate covered Peeps, that's all I have to say |
| 06:22.49 | Cairenn | ooooooo |
| 06:22.56 | Cairenn | tackles ccox |
| 06:23.13 | ccox | distracts Cairenn with dark chocolate |
| 06:23.18 | Cairenn | mmmmmmm |
| 06:23.36 | kd3 | mmm... dark chocolate |
| 06:23.38 | Shirik | tackles Cairenn |
| 06:23.54 | kd3 | will have to try out that new dark cherry mocha on his way to work later today |
| 06:24.00 | ccox | is now too wired from sugar and chocolate overload to sleep for the next 48 hours |
| 06:24.17 | kd3 | wait, wait, you /ate/ peeps? |
| 06:24.42 | Adys | did anyone notice the youtube automatic voice recognition feature? |
| 06:26.02 | kd3 | the one they're powering goog-411 with? |
| 06:26.34 | Adys | ive no idea |
| 06:26.52 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncrISzwnH48&feature=digest |
| 06:27.10 | Adys | this is high quality |
| 06:29.07 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut |
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| 06:32.00 | ZorbaTHut | mmm? |
| 06:33.23 | Shirik | How to know your code is a little too complex: |
| 06:33.30 | Shirik | void IDEA::Database::CSQLiteDatabase::CSQLiteDatabaseOperationStrategy::ParameterBuilder::Visit(const std::string& s) |
| 06:35.10 | ZorbaTHut | bed in like a minute so make it fast if you're still around ;) |
| 06:41.06 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Did you see Gabe Newell's presentation? |
| 06:42.02 | ZorbaTHut | yeah he's basically awesome. |
| 06:42.11 | DWSR | rofl @ the bsod at the end |
| 06:42.56 | DWSR | I dunno. |
| 06:43.16 | DWSR | He seems pretty awesome. |
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| 06:45.17 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Anyway, sleep. gogo |
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| 07:03.49 | DWSR | anyone that can suggest a cool looking tabard that's relatively easy to obtain. |
| 07:04.11 | Shirik | guild tabard |
| 07:05.32 | DWSR | nah, my guild's tabard sucks |
| 07:07.15 | airtonix | then leave it |
| 07:07.26 | airtonix | white tabards are good |
| 07:07.37 | airtonix | or is it grey |
| 07:08.15 | DWSR | It's like...turqoise. |
| 07:08.20 | DWSR | turquoise* |
| 07:08.21 | DWSR | Whatever. |
| 07:08.32 | airtonix | its too hard i giess |
| 07:24.18 | Shirik | :( Iriel |
| 07:24.25 | Shirik | remember that ? problem I gave you earlier? |
| 07:24.40 | Shirik | I just realized the API does the substitution for me if I ask it to... |
| 07:24.48 | Shirik | now that I have fully implemented it... |
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| 07:28.09 | DWSR | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&cn=Arelin <-- win pose, imo. |
| 07:28.57 | Arrowmaster | fuck fuck fuck |
| 07:29.12 | Arrowmaster | odst vidmaster endure failed on the last fucking wave |
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| 07:48.37 | DWSR | The trolls are out tonight. |
| 07:48.38 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
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| 07:54.07 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/wulff/1546/20100313.gif |
| 08:01.56 | Thunder_Child | as amusing as the image is, the comments are better http://gizmodo.com/5490088/infographic-the-power-of-the-death-star-vs-power-of-the-force |
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| 08:03.58 | Iriel | Shirik: 8-) |
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| 08:15.55 | Shirik | that's stupid.... |
| 08:15.56 | Shirik | error C2440: 'static_cast' : cannot convert from 'const unsigned char *' to 'const char *' |
| 08:17.18 | mikma | nsfw http://www.lazertits.com/ |
| 08:19.42 | Shirik | wtf... |
| 08:22.21 | DWSR | mikma |
| 08:22.31 | DWSR | What the fuck dude. |
| 08:22.46 | Thunder_Child | this is the internet, stop being surprised |
| 08:22.53 | Thunder_Child | or GTFO |
| 08:22.57 | DWSR | I'm not *surprised* |
| 08:23.00 | DWSR | I'm....astounded. |
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| 08:36.05 | Shirik | hm |
| 08:36.11 | Shirik | Job Description: Electronics Technician, GS-13 (EX) |
| 08:36.51 | Shirik | Job Description: Supervisory Electronics Engineer, GS 14 (EX) |
| 08:36.52 | Shirik | Salary Range: $105211.00-$136771.00 |
| 08:36.55 | Shirik | just opened up |
| 08:36.58 | mikma | dwsr: found a new favorite internets site? |
| 08:37.06 | mikma | http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/tr2n/trailer |
| 08:37.06 | DWSR | lolno |
| 08:39.36 | Arrowmaster | mikma: http://www.program-glitch-esc.net/ |
| 08:39.53 | Arrowmaster | download the 1080p version |
| 08:41.02 | Arathros | tron is shit so far |
| 08:41.04 | mikma | arrowmaster: the one i linked has hd+ version or something |
| 08:41.28 | Arrowmaster | not as good as the download from the official trailer site i linked |
| 08:41.34 | mikma | may be |
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| 08:47.19 | zenzelezz | "[...] and there's an interview on IGN speaking with game director Jean-Francois Dugas who explains the reasons this will be a prequel" - you mean because DX:IW ruined the story so bad you couldn't hope to continue from there? |
| 08:50.26 | Arrowmaster | i just want to know if ill get another sword near the beginning of the game and use nothing but it from that point on |
| 08:52.25 | zenzelezz | DX:IW has made me highly suspicious of further DX attempts... but I have a small hope they'll get it right |
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| 08:53.59 | Arrowmaster | i never even finished DX:IW |
| 08:54.21 | Arrowmaster | but i got the sword and then just went hack and slash on everything |
| 08:56.11 | zenzelezz | DX:IW for me went something like this: 1) install, battle the game settings/videocard settings to get it to stop crashing. 2) Exit starting room to see some dead guy appear from a vent, or whatever it was. 3) Loading. 4) Loading. 5) Loading. |
| 08:56.24 | zenzelezz | I never got much further |
| 08:56.56 | Arrowmaster | i got far enough to get so pissed at the inventory system i gave up |
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| 09:17.42 | Kaso | I wonder if we'll ever get pretty shadows on opengl |
| 09:18.06 | zenzelezz | in WoW or in general? |
| 09:20.45 | Fisker | herro zenzelezz |
| 09:20.59 | Kaso | well specifically in wow, i presume opengl has the capability to do them in general now, but i could be wrong there |
| 09:21.25 | zenzelezz | I haven't played many recent id games, but I was under the impression Carmack had got pretty good shadows for a long time |
| 09:21.57 | Kaso | so just blizzard doesnt care about mac users ;p |
| 09:22.17 | zenzelezz | maybe they'd just heard that Mac OS X does shadows on everything on its own |
| 09:22.35 | Kaso | lol |
| 09:26.53 | Adys | yes, opengl can do shadows jst fine |
| 09:26.55 | Adys | +u |
| 09:27.00 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: doom3 was directx wasnt it? |
| 09:27.21 | zenzelezz | I don't think so |
| 09:28.09 | Arrowmaster | what about UT3? |
| 09:28.59 | zenzelezz | the Unreal Engine is (as far as I know) primarily Direct3D |
| 09:29.09 | zenzelezz | not sure if they have OpenGL renderers anymore |
| 09:29.33 | Arrowmaster | UT3 is the only version of unreal so far to not have a native linux client |
| 09:30.30 | Taroven | Anyone know if extra events are fired when a Shaman using the Elemental 2t10 bonus is spamming LB or CL? |
| 09:30.37 | zenzelezz | hm, if you say "Unreal Tournament" then I agree. I don't think the original Unreal single-player game had a Linux client |
| 09:31.22 | zenzelezz | I suppose Epic tailored their engine for where they felt they had more customers, but I am saddened they don't do *nix much |
| 09:32.18 | Arrowmaster | well they kinda moved from PC to 360 which only has directx |
| 09:32.54 | Adys | night |
| 09:33.12 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: true :( |
| 09:33.31 | zenzelezz | I don't mind for their own games, I haven't found interest in them for a long time, but it's a pity for those licencing the engine |
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| 10:33.43 | nevcairiel | Shadows is nothing you can offload to DX or OGL, you pretty much have to do it yourself on the CPU, blizz just decided to only do it for DX since it requires a special algorithm for each |
| 10:34.20 | nevcairiel | Of course they could've just done what id does, and abstract the graphics layer on a low level and simply implement that once for both renderer |
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| 10:42.27 | haste | Arrowmaster: I was a huge UT fan and have been waiting for the linux port for ages, but after a year I just said fuck it :V |
| 10:42.30 | nevcairiel | I rather wish for a hardware cursor in opengl |
| 10:42.46 | nevcairiel | (in wow - nothing stopping them from implementing it) |
| 10:42.47 | haste | so UT3 is the first game in the unreal series I don't own |
| 10:42.55 | haste | reroll linux nevcairiel ! |
| 10:43.03 | haste | we have hardware cursor under opengl |
| 10:43.10 | nevcairiel | no, you don't |
| 10:43.13 | Arrowmaster | i bought the unreal pack on steam during the christmas special |
| 10:43.14 | haste | yes we do |
| 10:43.21 | Torhal | haste: Since when? |
| 10:43.25 | nevcairiel | you can fake one with a wine hack |
| 10:43.28 | nevcairiel | but its not real |
| 10:43.29 | Torhal | Oh, that |
| 10:43.32 | haste | y |
| 10:43.46 | nevcairiel | it just hides the wow cursor and shows the desktop cursor |
| 10:43.51 | nevcairiel | however, the cursor still lags |
| 10:43.59 | nevcairiel | you just dont see it anymore |
| 10:44.25 | haste | seeing is believing! |
| 10:45.35 | nevcairiel | I would rather use DX again, wish blizz or nvidia or whoever would fix their engine |
| 10:45.54 | haste | what's wrong with DX under nvidia? |
| 10:46.05 | Arrowmaster | its one of those two, the problem only showed up when blizz added the 3d shit |
| 10:46.23 | nevcairiel | i get like double fps with opengl |
| 10:46.27 | haste | D: |
| 10:46.46 | Zyonin | Cya guys later, need to go get the grocery shopping done |
| 10:48.32 | nevcairiel | i dont even install the 3d nvidia driver, wonder if there is some switch to completly disable it in wow that i didnt find yet |
| 10:49.22 | nevcairiel | i wish i had a ati card around just to compare performance once |
| 10:50.10 | haste | AMD is currently the king afaik |
| 10:50.22 | haste | too bad their linux drivers still are lagging behind |
| 10:51.05 | nevcairiel | lagging behind is very ... nice :P |
| 10:51.49 | nevcairiel | i would've said .. suck ass :P |
| 10:52.30 | haste | I haven't had a ATi cards in years, so I can't say anything about the actual quality of the drivers |
| 10:52.45 | haste | but I do know that they don't support 1.7.x yet, while 1.8.x is closing in |
| 10:53.24 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 10:53.35 | nevcairiel | the open-soruce drivers work fine for 4xxx series |
| 10:53.37 | nevcairiel | but not 5xxx |
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| 10:55.04 | Fisker | fffuuuuuu- haste |
| 10:55.12 | Fisker | hvorfor skal i7 980x koste næsten 8000kr? :( |
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| 10:56.19 | haste | Fisker: pga. ytelsen.. hi2u 35% over neste mann på lista! |
| 10:59.20 | Fisker | det er jo lamt |
| 10:59.24 | Fisker | hvis det nu havde været halv pris |
| 10:59.35 | Fisker | koster dem sikkert ikke 1/10 at lave |
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| 11:30.38 | mikma | wrong channel assmonkeys |
| 11:32.36 | haste | nah |
| 11:38.37 | Fisker | or naw |
| 11:40.26 | mikma | nab |
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| 11:53.46 | Fisker | newb |
| 11:58.15 | Stanzilla | Fisker |
| 12:04.56 | Wobin | http://imgur.com/gallery/rauKG |
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| 12:08.37 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://imgur.com/gallery/DOIOm |
| 12:08.55 | Cairenn | awwwwwwwwwww |
| 12:08.59 | Cairenn | omg |
| 12:09.13 | Cairenn | is baby otter! |
| 12:09.26 | Cairenn | squeeeee! |
| 12:23.18 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:23.33 | Cairenn | -_- |
| 12:23.36 | Fisker | The otters know the answer to the great question! |
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| 12:39.15 | Wobin | oh god |
| 12:39.25 | Wobin | http://imgur.com/gallery/E0oS8 just reminded me of -everything- I hated about Seinfield |
| 12:41.51 | amro | you hated seinfeld? |
| 12:42.02 | Wobin | seinfield was terrible |
| 12:42.24 | amro | you were terrible |
| 12:42.27 | Wobin | "Lets take a stupid joke, that isn't even funny. Lets beat it with a stick til it's dead and bury it. Lets dig it up, and beat it again" |
| 12:42.57 | Wobin | "Oh, how about <insert phrase here>. WHAT'S WITH THAT?!!!" |
| 12:43.03 | Wobin | ugh |
| 12:43.10 | amro | right |
| 12:43.16 | amro | go watch friends or something |
| 12:43.23 | Wobin | I prefer my ironic situational comedy to be actually... y'know. Funny. |
| 12:43.25 | Corrodias | it wasn't that bad. there are far worse things. case in point. |
| 12:43.26 | Fisker | mikma my friend |
| 12:43.35 | Wobin | Friends wasn't even comedy =P |
| 12:43.51 | Corrodias | that explains why it was never funny |
| 12:43.51 | Wobin | it was sitcom slapstick |
| 12:44.51 | Cairenn | I liked the soup nazi |
| 12:44.58 | amro | soup nazi was epic stuff |
| 12:58.30 | mikma | fisker: you have mistaken, i am your enemy |
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| 13:02.14 | harl | wuff |
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| 13:09.26 | Cairenn | purr |
| 13:13.12 | harl | nods |
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| 13:30.43 | Wobin | man |
| 13:30.49 | Wobin | as much as I like taking photos |
| 13:30.56 | Wobin | post production is always more fun |
| 13:31.09 | Wobin | especially when you find that one shot that needs -no- work whatsoever |
| 13:31.18 | Wobin | (isn't digital photography fun =P) |
| 13:36.57 | Grum | Wobin: just means you were really awesome when you took that one :D |
| 13:37.14 | Wobin | It's a great feeling =) |
| 13:37.27 | Wobin | Especially since it was pissing down rain at the time >< |
| 13:37.37 | Wobin | Fastest wedding ceremony... -ever- =P |
| 13:40.46 | Wobin | There was one kid there, the younger brother of the groom |
| 13:40.53 | Wobin | that was ridiculously photogenic. |
| 13:40.56 | Wobin | point in case: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/aee27731b913d1d85eab577f3a73eded.jpg |
| 13:44.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 13:44.37 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 13:45.59 | Cairenn | cute kid! |
| 13:48.45 | Wobin | Bryson made it his task, today |
| 13:48.54 | Wobin | to get into as many photos as humanly possible |
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| 14:11.58 | Wobin | unfortunately |
| 14:12.05 | Wobin | I didn't have spare batteries for my flash |
| 14:12.15 | Wobin | however, I did manage to get two good exposures |
| 14:12.27 | Wobin | by timing my shots to some -other- photographer's flash =P |
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| 14:37.51 | Wobin | ack, 450MB of photos to upload |
| 14:37.58 | Wobin | thank god for Flickr pro =P |
| 14:38.25 | Wobin | I might do this tomorrow |
| 14:48.10 | mikma | man i love these Dirty Jobs -episodes :D |
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| 16:41.34 | frontendloader | anyone happen to know of an addon that has a simple example of a SV/AceDBOptions/AceConfig? |
| 16:42.55 | airtonix | aceconfig? simple? lol |
| 16:43.06 | airtonix | try pminimap |
| 16:43.06 | frontendloader | seems that way |
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| 16:43.58 | frontendloader | I'm pretty good at copy/pasting code for things that I don't know what they do, but I'd rather understand whats going on with each function |
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| 17:09.00 | frontendloader | looks like pminimap uses tekconfig |
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| 17:26.38 | airtonix | frontendloader, you should be looking at the ace website |
| 17:27.30 | airtonix | frontendloader, http://old.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace3_Addon |
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| 17:45.40 | msoul | Hey, configuring SCT and i'm not sure if i understood it right. what i am trying to do is have damage done scroll to the right hand side and damage taken to the left |
| 17:51.43 | Thunder_Child | parrot ftw |
| 17:52.32 | nevcairiel | the parrot hasnt been fed in a long time, its not really healthy anymore |
| 17:56.25 | zenzelezz | ah yes, the Norwegian blue |
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| 18:09.56 | Fisker | jnwhiteh you here? |
| 18:11.37 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
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| 18:17.30 | zenzelezz | "HM Cancri has been confirmed as a binary system of two white dwarfs orbiting each other so closely that they complete one orbit every 5.4 minutes; they are separated by a mere 8 Earth diameters" - now that is some speed |
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| 18:22.07 | Cidwel | g'''day |
| 18:25.42 | zenzelezz | ohai |
| 18:26.04 | mikma | wobwork: ping! |
| 18:26.11 | Cidwel | i have a question >_> Is there a way to make multidimensional arrays in lua? i need something like raidPlayers[0][0] = "Cidwel" raidPlayers[0][1] = "mage" |
| 18:27.02 | haste | lua> a= {{'hi','cake'}} return a[1][1], a[1][2] |
| 18:27.08 | lua_bot | haste: hi, cake |
| 18:32.21 | Cidwel | lol |
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| 18:36.26 | mikma | http://www.addictinggames.com/D78AQSAKQLQWI9/3995.swf |
| 18:36.32 | mikma | wobwork: http://www.addictinggames.com/D78AQSAKQLQWI9/3995.swf :) |
| 18:36.48 | frontendloader | Cidwel: yeah you just need to make sure you initialize it first by saying raidPlayers = {} |
| 18:40.41 | Cidwel | ok frontendloader , my prob was that I was trying to initialize with {} and I think that is with {{}} like haste wrote >_> |
| 18:41.37 | haste | you can start with only {} as well |
| 18:41.53 | nevcairiel | in lua its not "multidimensional" arrays |
| 18:41.56 | nevcairiel | you have arrays within arrays |
| 18:41.59 | nevcairiel | thats different |
| 18:42.25 | haste | so correction hungry! |
| 18:42.59 | nevcairiel | well you can't just do a = {{}} and be done, accessing a[2][1] would already fail |
| 18:51.58 | Cidwel | mmm |
| 18:52.07 | Cidwel | so i don't know how to do this |
| 18:52.26 | Cidwel | i want to initialize a array inside the array, that would do the trick |
| 18:52.45 | Cidwel | and a = {{}} like nevcairiel said, would fail |
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| 18:55.21 | airtonix | every time i see Dennis Quaid i keep mistaking him for harrison ford. |
| 19:06.00 | Kaso | Cidwel, you do something like a={} if not type(a[1])=="table" then a[1]={} end |
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| 19:07.24 | Cidwel | wow ahm, an array inside an array |
| 19:07.30 | Cidwel | i'll try |
| 19:07.39 | Kaso | <nevcairiel> you have arrays within arrays |
| 19:07.40 | Kaso | ;p |
| 19:07.44 | Cidwel | whops |
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| 19:09.12 | p3lim | lua> u = 'partypet3' string.match(u, '^(.+)pet[1-4]$') |
| 19:09.14 | lua_bot | p3lim: No output |
| 19:09.17 | Cidwel | whoa, I don't really like this way but i think that works |
| 19:10.15 | Kaso | i mean you can do it more intelligently, if you're just statically assigning stuff you can do a={{"one","two"}, {"three","four"}} |
| 19:10.48 | p3lim | lua> u = 'partypet3' print(string.match(u, '^(.+)pet[1-4]$')) |
| 19:10.49 | lua_bot | p3lim: party |
| 19:11.09 | p3lim | lua> u = 'partypet3' print(string.match(u, '^(.+)pet(.+)$')) |
| 19:11.09 | lua_bot | p3lim: party, 3 |
| 19:11.21 | p3lim | lua> u = 'raidpet21' print(string.match(u, '^(.+)pet(.+)$')) |
| 19:11.22 | lua_bot | p3lim: raid, 21 |
| 19:11.27 | p3lim | lua> u = 'raid21' print(string.match(u, '^(.+)pet(.+)$')) |
| 19:11.28 | lua_bot | p3lim: nil |
| 19:11.31 | p3lim | nice |
| 19:11.56 | Kaso | Cidan, and given what you're i think you're doing from the snippit above, i think you'd prob want to use keys |
| 19:12.18 | Kaso | like raid = {} raid[i] = { name="Fred", class="mage"} |
| 19:12.30 | Kaso | then you'd have raid[1].class == "mage" |
| 19:13.20 | Cidwel | I'm starting learning how this way works |
| 19:13.41 | frontendloader | theres no xor in lua? |
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| 19:14.05 | Kaso | frontendloader, wow's lua has a bit lib installed which you can use |
| 19:15.02 | Kaso | bit.bor |
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| 19:15.48 | Adys | !api getmerchant |
| 19:15.49 | lua_bot | Found 6 possible results for 'getmerchant': GetMerchantItemMaxStack, GetMerchantItemCostInfo, GetMerchantItemLink, GetMerchantItemCostItem, GetMerchantItemInfo, GetMerchantNumItems |
| 19:17.00 | frontendloader | guess it doesn't typecast to a bit then :( |
| 19:17.29 | Kaso | i just realised i wrote bor |
| 19:17.31 | Kaso | i meant bxor ofc |
| 19:17.35 | frontendloader | yea |
| 19:18.04 | frontendloader | doesn't even accept true/false |
| 19:18.23 | Kaso | if you want just a logical xor do it with (x or y) and not (x and y) ? |
| 19:18.46 | frontendloader | thats so much typing though, might take me an hour to write that |
| 19:19.09 | Kaso | function xor(x,y) return (x or y) and not (x and y) end |
| 19:19.16 | Kaso | xor(arg1,arg2) |
| 19:19.19 | Kaso | done |
| 19:19.26 | p3lim | lua> u = 'party3' print(string.gsub(u, '^(.+)(.+)$', '%1pet%2')) |
| 19:19.27 | lua_bot | p3lim: partypet3, 1 |
| 19:19.37 | p3lim | lua> u = 'raid19' print(string.gsub(u, '^(.+)(.+)$', '%1pet%2')) |
| 19:19.37 | lua_bot | p3lim: raid1pet9, 1 |
| 19:19.50 | p3lim | lua> u = 'raid19' print(string.gsub(u, '^(.+)(.*)$', '%1pet%2')) |
| 19:19.50 | lua_bot | p3lim: raid19pet, 1 |
| 19:20.03 | p3lim | lua> u = 'raid19' print(string.gsub(u, '^(.+)(.-)$', '%1pet%2')) |
| 19:20.06 | lua_bot | p3lim: raid19pet, 1 |
| 19:20.11 | p3lim | I suck at this :/ |
| 19:21.06 | Kaso | use %d |
| 19:21.07 | p3lim | lua> u = 'raid19' print(string.gsub(u, '^(.+)([1-40])$', '%1pet%2')) |
| 19:21.16 | lua_bot | p3lim: raid19, 0 |
| 19:21.25 | p3lim | lua> u = 'raid19' print(string.gsub(u, '^(.+)%d$', '%1pet%2')) |
| 19:21.29 | lua_bot | p3lim: luabot:1: invalid capture index |
| 19:22.03 | Kaso | "(%a+)(%d+), "%1pet%2" |
| 19:22.15 | p3lim | lua> u = 'raid19' print(string.gsub(u, '^(%a+)(%d+)$', '%1pet%2')) |
| 19:22.19 | lua_bot | p3lim: raidpet19, 1 |
| 19:22.22 | p3lim | thanks |
| 19:22.34 | p3lim | lua> u = 'party2' print(string.gsub(u, '^(%a+)(%d+)$', '%1pet%2')) |
| 19:22.39 | lua_bot | p3lim: partypet2, 1 |
| 19:22.59 | p3lim | lua> u = 'vehicle' print(string.gsub(u, '^(%a+)(%d+)$', '%1pet%2')) |
| 19:23.03 | lua_bot | p3lim: vehicle, 0 |
| 19:23.16 | p3lim | can hit me back if the unit is 'partypet2' though |
| 19:23.36 | Caleb| | isn't it party2pet anyways? |
| 19:23.53 | Caleb| | or raid2pet for that matter |
| 19:26.00 | foxlit | No. |
| 19:26.06 | foxlit | pet is not a suffix. That'd be too easy. |
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| 19:28.45 | foxlit | Hey, a warp gate nerf. That's nice. |
| 19:30.28 | Caleb| | and burrow too |
| 19:30.41 | Cidwel | i need a manual to concatenate in lua. what's the best way to do this? ""..GetRaidRosterInfo(raid1).." whow this is a string "..randomVariable.." |
| 19:30.48 | Caleb| | those early burrow roach worker harasses are over |
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| 19:31.01 | Cidwel | i think that the way i use is not the best |
| 19:31.03 | foxlit | I guess that's a PvZ thing |
| 19:31.10 | foxlit | Or ZvZ |
| 19:32.22 | foxlit | [Haven't noticed burrowed roaches getting past a choke wall-in, and if they managed to demolish it, it's pretty much over anyhow.] |
| 19:33.08 | p3lim | Just replacing partypetN with partyN and raidpetN with raidN, and the other way |
| 19:34.20 | p3lim | Actually, not so much the other way |
| 19:34.47 | p3lim | My brain hurts :< |
| 19:35.49 | Kaso | Caleb|, what do you mean exactly with the concatentation question |
| 19:36.08 | Caleb| | wasnt me asking :D |
| 19:36.11 | haste | Caleb|: pet was a suffix before it was converted into a real unit around 2.0 |
| 19:36.42 | Kaso | oh |
| 19:36.47 | Kaso | confusing :s |
| 19:38.50 | Kaso | my BMA is getting more and more out of sync and i cant refresh it because my data plan is wierd |
| 19:39.06 | Kaso | i gotta wait till the last 1/4 of the bar now >< |
| 19:42.36 | Shirik | (14:28:29) (foxlit) Hey, a warp gate nerf. That's nice. |
| 19:42.39 | Shirik | wtb muta nerf |
| 19:43.23 | Fisker | i detonate u Shirik |
| 19:43.35 | Fisker | how can they keep nerfing protoss btw? |
| 19:44.18 | foxlit | Easily. |
| 19:44.25 | foxlit | They're more swarmy than the f'ing zerg. |
| 19:46.21 | Fisker | yeah if it wasn't for the fact that our units cost like 4 times as much |
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| 20:05.57 | foxlit | Hey, I won a TvP game. On the other hand, my opponent put a dark shrine in the middle of his mineral patch. |
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| 20:16.05 | DWSR | Can someone please tell me why the random dungeon system doesn't tell you which dungeon you get before you hit yes? |
| 20:16.31 | nevcairiel | because then you could decline |
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| 20:16.39 | nevcairiel | without getting the debuff |
| 20:16.41 | foxlit | Because you're supposed to accept that Oculus invite and like it! |
| 20:16.56 | nevcairiel | i still dont get what people have against oculus |
| 20:17.02 | nevcairiel | its fast and yields loads of badges |
| 20:17.03 | DWSR | You can still decline without getting the debuff. |
| 20:17.21 | nevcairiel | sure, but not because of "i dont want that instance" |
| 20:17.31 | nevcairiel | once you're in, you either finish, or get debuff |
| 20:17.37 | Fisker | imma nevcairiel u |
| 20:17.58 | nevcairiel | random means random, not random suggestion that you can choose to accept |
| 20:20.50 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Sure, but if I pick multiple specific dungeons, it will tell me which one I get. |
| 20:21.01 | nevcairiel | yes, because you don't get the bonus |
| 20:21.03 | foxlit | Because you get no reward for that |
| 20:21.07 | DWSR | ah, heh. |
| 20:30.08 | DWSR | If you pick specific dungeon, will you get grouped with others who chose random? |
| 20:31.03 | nevcairiel | yes |
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| 20:58.51 | A-KO | http://www.thedoghousediaries.com/?p=1406 < aint that true :P |
| 21:01.08 | Shirik | so true |
| 21:01.23 | DWSR | A-KO: Yep./ |
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| 21:11.08 | Cide | that's funny, A-KO |
| 21:11.52 | DWSR | How many people here know about the Hadronox glitch? |
| 21:12.46 | Arathros | the fast reset to avoid spawn? |
| 21:12.55 | DWSR | ye |
| 21:12.59 | Arathros | ;P |
| 21:13.17 | DWSR | well. |
| 21:13.20 | DWSR | You can use it to skip the trash |
| 21:13.25 | Arathros | yep |
| 21:13.31 | Arathros | only seen a rogue do it |
| 21:13.39 | DWSR | you must be horde. |
| 21:13.41 | Lopeppeppy | Beware using glitches deliberately... just sayin'. |
| 21:14.31 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:14.35 | DWSR | If they cared, they'd have fixed it. |
| 21:14.38 | Arathros | only seen it done once |
| 21:16.21 | DWSR | The way I use it is just to skip the trash |
| 21:16.36 | DWSR | because you reset, run to where he spawns, and you get a bit of time to burn him down before any of the adds come out. |
| 21:16.51 | DWSR | Someone jumped into the fucking hole first, even though I (tank) stopped in front of her and was waiting. |
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| 21:17.01 | DWSR | Also, apparently. |
| 21:17.07 | DWSR | Hadronox can climb down that hole. |
| 21:17.18 | DWSR | (The one in the webbing) |
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| 21:44.44 | Shirik | `-,`-,`-*-.*-.*-^,_^,_^,_^,*-.*-.*-`-, |
| 21:45.50 | Stanzilla | cool story |
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| 22:01.35 | Kaso | it disturbs me how often rankwatch goes off |
| 22:05.26 | Fisker | i will stop you Stanzilla |
| 22:06.09 | Stanzilla | nowai |
| 22:07.06 | Shirik | How to know your code is too complex: |
| 22:07.13 | Shirik | Your linker spits out mangled names like: ?SelectRows@CSQLiteDatabaseOperationStrategy@CSQLiteDatabase@Database@IDEA@@UAE?AVCResult@34@ABV?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@ABVIFieldSet@34@ABVIParameterSet@34@PAVIQueryCondition@34@@Z |
| 22:07.59 | theorbtwo | Whee. |
| 22:08.00 | Fisker | you Shirik |
| 22:08.21 | theorbtwo | Though half of that is really the STL being too complex. |
| 22:08.26 | Shirik | true |
| 22:09.16 | Shirik | I think my demangler got confused |
| 22:09.24 | Shirik | [thunk]:public: virtual long __thiscall IDEA::Database::CUpdateQuery::Execute`vtordisp{4294967292,0} |
| 22:09.54 | Shirik | I especially like the "thunk" |
| 22:10.26 | mikma | Today |
| 22:10.27 | mikma | You achieved Left 4 Dead 2: LEVEL A CHARGE. |
| 22:10.30 | mikma | wooo, finally |
| 22:14.06 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/baseball2.jpg |
| 22:15.39 | Shirik | shopped |
| 22:16.04 | Adys | shops Shirik |
| 22:16.40 | Cide | that's gotta hurt |
| 22:19.37 | DWSR | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23767157766&sid=1 |
| 22:19.52 | Shirik | chops adys |
| 22:21.25 | Shirik | Doesn'tanyone else think an error mesage this long is depressing? |
| 22:21.25 | Lopeppeppy | Oh good, I'm making stir fry, bring some over here. |
| 22:21.28 | Shirik | 1>SQLiteDatabase.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: class std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> > const & __thiscall IDEA::Database::IFieldSet::GetFieldName(int)const " (?GetFieldName@IFieldSet@Database@IDEA@@QBEABV?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@H@Z) referenced in function "public: virtual class IDEA::Database::CResult __ |
| 22:21.38 | Shirik | It doesn't even fit on IRC |
| 22:22.55 | Cide | it is depressing |
| 22:23.26 | mikma | that's awesome, looks extremely odd in irssi |
| 22:25.53 | Fisker | i should be sleeping soon |
| 22:26.31 | DWSR | Shirik: No. |
| 22:26.35 | DWSR | Shirik: It's descriptive. |
| 22:26.50 | Cide | wait a minute |
| 22:27.01 | Cide | how is descriptive and depressing mutually exclusive? |
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| 22:27.12 | Cide | oh wait, it's not |
| 22:27.18 | Cide | you almost had me there |
| 22:27.24 | DWSR | They're not mutually inclusive either |
| 22:28.28 | DWSR | also, that error message is only so long because of your code. |
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| 22:28.53 | DWSR | Which, in and of itself, is not depressing. Opressive, perhaps. |
| 22:29.13 | DWSR | In other words, Shirik, I call pullshit. |
| 22:29.23 | DWSR | s/pull/bull/ |
| 22:29.32 | Shirik | nope you already called pullshit |
| 22:29.33 | Shirik | sorry |
| 22:29.42 | DWSR | Dude. |
| 22:29.44 | DWSR | I regexed it. |
| 22:29.59 | DWSR | You're arguing with the power of regex? |
| 22:30.46 | DWSR | It's a pity that your excess courage does not make up for your stupidity. |
| 22:31.27 | DWSR | 2 points for that reference |
| 22:33.06 | Dashkal | .. I know I've seen that |
| 22:33.43 | DWSR | I know you have too |
| 22:33.49 | DWSR | It *is* a WoW reference |
| 22:37.59 | foxlit | hey, no matches? |
| 22:38.04 | foxlit | Someone mangled a quote |
| 22:38.13 | DWSR | Yeah, it's probably not verbatim. |
| 22:38.18 | DWSR | It's pretty close though |
| 22:38.51 | foxlit | A shame that your excess courage does not compensate for your stupidity! |
| 22:39.36 | Taroven | Hm... is there any easy way to tell when a mouseover unit no longer exists? ie, I can use UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT to see when the mouse hovers over a unit, but the event doesn't fire again when the cursor moves from the unit. |
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| 22:39.57 | DWSR | foxlit: Yep. :) |
| 22:39.58 | Taroven | Am I doomed to an onupdate for this one? |
| 22:40.35 | foxlit | Maybe. |
| 22:40.46 | foxlit | Taroven: how does GameTooltip know when to fade? |
| 22:41.08 | Adys | ROFL |
| 22:41.11 | Taroven | foxlit: No idea actually. Good question. |
| 22:41.23 | Adys | I had to write my athenian zip code for an order |
| 22:41.29 | Adys | and I can never remember it |
| 22:41.46 | Adys | for some reason I pulled my authenticator and wrote that without even noticing until it said it was invalid |
| 22:41.59 | foxlit | EveryQuest is so whiny if you don't install half its modules :/ |
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| 22:42.28 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
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| 22:43.21 | DWSR | ~fail Adys |
| 22:43.22 | purl | Adys, you Fail! |
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| 22:46.41 | Lopeppeppy | hi hi |
| 22:47.07 | Taroven | Hm... is wowcompares broked? =\ |
| 22:47.32 | Shirik | Pop quiz! |
| 22:47.37 | Shirik | Multiple choice question |
| 22:48.14 | Taroven | puts on the Jeopardy theme muzak... |
| 22:48.17 | Shirik | If you choose an answer to this question at random, what is the chance that you'll be correct? (A) 25% (B) 50% (C) 75% (D) 25% |
| 22:48.28 | Taroven | B. |
| 22:48.52 | Shirik | Anyone agree? Disagree? |
| 22:48.58 | Taroven | Actually.. |
| 22:49.01 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 22:49.04 | Taroven | There's no answer to that. |
| 22:49.11 | Cairenn | none of the above |
| 22:49.19 | Dashkal | lua> = 0.75*0.75 |
| 22:49.21 | lua_bot | Dashkal: 0.5625 |
| 22:49.22 | Lopeppeppy | I hate numbers, you go make someone else dizzy! |
| 22:49.23 | Shirik | Cairenn gets a cookie |
| 22:49.35 | Shirik | Taroven would have gotten a cookie but he said B first |
| 22:49.41 | Shirik | so he gets +1 and -1 which = 0 |
| 22:49.51 | Taroven | =P |
| 22:50.01 | Dashkal | mmm, cookies. Perhaps I should go bake some |
| 22:50.35 | Lopeppeppy | I need cookies! |
| 22:51.03 | Cairenn | I need se ... errr, nm |
| 22:51.21 | Lopeppeppy | That would be nice too. |
| 22:51.25 | Lopeppeppy | Cookies afterward though? |
| 22:51.30 | Shirik | gives Cairenn some chocolates |
| 22:51.44 | Cairenn | thanks Shirik |
| 22:54.13 | foxlit | gr |
| 22:54.30 | foxlit | "Interface action failed because of an addon" |
| 22:55.22 | foxlit | That event should totally provide the entire taint.log data :/ |
| 22:55.34 | DWSR | I'll taint your log data in a minute. |
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| 22:55.50 | foxlit | Too slow, DWSR, too slow. |
| 23:01.12 | Taroven | foxlit: Not finding how GameTooltip decides when to hide... I see an OnShow, OnHide, OnTooltipSetUnit and OnTooltipSetItem (only available to GameTooltip), and an OnUpdate which pretty much just checks its owner and runs an external owner:UpdateTooltip if available. |
| 23:02.43 | Taroven | I can potentially watch for ACTIONBAR_SLOT_CHANGED, but that requires a @mouseover macro somewhere. |
| 23:03.14 | Taroven | Running an onupdate for this would be pretty expensive =\ |
| 23:03.35 | Fisker | slaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:03.51 | foxlit | Taroven: well, you can always use an OnUpdate UnitExists check |
| 23:04.26 | Taroven | foxlit: Yeah... looks like about the only way to do it for now. |
| 23:05.00 | foxlit | You could externalize it to a state driver, but that's probably just a more expensive OnUpdate |
| 23:05.26 | Taroven | No thanks on that. OnUpdate's fine. I just really wanted to avoid it. |
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| 23:07.24 | Adys | Cide: ping |
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| 23:16.38 | foxlit | "If he is not at home, search for evidence of where he can be found" << total giveaway in quest objectives |
| 23:17.56 | Adys | foxlit: I added blp1 support if you're interested the other day |
| 23:18.05 | foxlit | I have that. |
| 23:18.09 | Adys | full support (palette, palette+alpha, jpeg) |
| 23:18.11 | Adys | kay |
| 23:19.34 | foxlit | I actually have a spot of trouble with getting python's JPEG decode to work, but that's a boring issue. |
| 23:20.05 | Adys | python has a jpeg decode? |
| 23:20.27 | foxlit | Or perhaps you don't actually use that. Hm. |
| 23:20.39 | foxlit | I recall a jpeg-related error with some of your blp1 tests. |
| 23:20.42 | Adys | I use PIL's actually |
| 23:20.49 | foxlit | I presume that's because my PIL install is pretty borked. |
| 23:20.56 | Adys | ah |
| 23:21.05 | Adys | uhm, it requires libjpeg at compile time |
| 23:21.13 | Adys | i know some distros ship it without jpeg support |
| 23:21.18 | Adys | but ubuntu at least has it working |
| 23:21.55 | foxlit | Actually have libjpeg installed, since I had to use it from C |
| 23:22.11 | foxlit | It's the PIL install that seems more trouble than anything else |
| 23:22.30 | Adys | PIL is absolutely terrible =/ |
| 23:23.14 | foxlit | I do have a puzzle, though |
| 23:23.36 | foxlit | Some of the BLP2 mip dimensions are... odd for non-square images. |
| 23:24.07 | Adys | wuch as? |
| 23:24.45 | foxlit | WestfallLighthouse2 |
| 23:24.55 | foxlit | TextPanel-Border |
| 23:25.54 | Adys | possible to upload it? dont have the mpqs here |
| 23:26.36 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/box/blp-mips.zip |
| 23:27.48 | foxlit | The full-size mips are okay, but the small(est?) mips seem to have one of the dimensions halved an extra time |
| 23:28.57 | Adys | ah |
| 23:29.07 | Adys | i dont read the smaller mips |
| 23:29.10 | Adys | havent had to anyway |
| 23:32.44 | foxlit | I do that to cut down on the amount of thumbnail resizing, but sometimes data seems to be missing, and it spectacularly fails length assertions |
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| 23:49.33 | Wobin | whee |
| 23:49.34 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL7-CKirWZE&feature=player_embedded |
| 23:49.41 | Wobin | flashback time =) |
| 23:49.52 | Wobin | with prerequisite "Bad White Boy Dancing" |
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| 23:53.08 | Taroven | foxlit: Got the onupdate solution working as a hybrid approach. UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT sets local isMouseover = UnitExists('mouseover'), OnUpdate does ' if isMouseover and not(UnitExists('mouseover')) then ' and everyone's happy. |
| 23:53.46 | Taroven | Could potentially kill the onupdate when it's not needed to save a few cycles as well |
| 23:55.09 | foxlit | Why do you care whether you have a mouseover, btw? |
| 23:56.15 | Taroven | Healer thing. |
| 23:56.50 | foxlit | That's not very descriptive :) |
| 23:57.22 | Taroven | Making EventHorizon a little more healer-friendly by using mouseover units in some cases rather than target/focus/player/etc. |
| 23:57.25 | Lopeppeppy | he is a healer and wants information available when he mouses over the unit. |
| 23:57.27 | Taroven | That better? =P |
| 23:57.47 | foxlit | What I'm fishing for is whether you can actually just drop the UnitExists check into your other code. |
| 23:57.57 | Taroven | Nope. |
| 23:58.07 | Taroven | Doing it this way isn't so bad though. |
| 23:58.18 | foxlit | If you were, say, updating a health bar at regular intervals, that'd be a great place to check whether things are still there |
| 23:59.58 | Taroven | True, but in this case it's gonna be a little better for me to throw the onupdate on a spare event watching frame and call it good. |
