| 00:00.03 | ScytheBlade1 | That's how they decided to ship Wrath on DVDs instead of CDs. |
| 00:00.35 | Lunessa | And determined they could safely use more polygons and particle effects. |
| 00:01.31 | Shadowed | and determine where your house was located so they could send the crack team of ninjas to steal everything while you were out |
| 00:01.42 | Lopeppeppy | Or feed your cats. |
| 00:01.47 | Shadowed | then kidnap it |
| 00:01.52 | Lunessa | And seduce your girl. |
| 00:02.10 | foxlit | Only to return it to the policeman's grieving widow. |
| 00:02.13 | Lunessa | And while they were at it, they would install premium cable channels. |
| 00:02.25 | foxlit | ... and steal it again? |
| 00:02.30 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, come seduce me! |
| 00:02.43 | Shadowed | Blizzard is a cold mistress Lopeppeppy |
| 00:02.48 | Shadowed | would you really want them to try and seduce you |
| 00:03.07 | Lopeppeppy | I merely said seduce, not attempt to enter a meaningful and lasting relationship, Shadowed. |
| 00:03.10 | cogwheel | grrrr h8 random par level dungeons |
| 00:03.15 | Shadowed | alright fair enough |
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| 00:04.17 | cogwheel | Lunessa: u com hoam naokplxty |
| 00:04.34 | Lunessa | lawl, 60 mins, k? |
| 00:04.51 | cogwheel | kk |
| 00:12.06 | Thrae | OK, Blizzard's Parental Controls page is very cute. |
| 00:12.32 | foxlit | that needs some explaining |
| 00:12.36 | foxlit | Cute baby orcs? |
| 00:12.57 | Lunessa | "Ohai? U recover my email fromlast year, k?" "No. Can't do." |
| 00:13.45 | Thrae | foxlit: https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/parental-control-verify.html |
| 00:13.59 | foxlit | Thrae: I'd have to log in |
| 00:14.09 | Thrae | foxlit: ohnoes they may steals your pw |
| 00:14.18 | foxlit | Plus it's US. |
| 00:14.31 | Thrae | EU probably has Baby Orcs instead of Baby Gnomes |
| 00:15.08 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmmm, deep fried orcs. |
| 00:15.29 | foxlit | maybe it'll steal my authenticator code |
| 00:16.55 | foxlit | are we just talking about https://www.wow-europe.com/account/images/parentalcontrol/orphan.jpg ? |
| 00:17.17 | Shadowed | YOU MADE THE CHILD CRY FOXLIT |
| 00:17.20 | Shadowed | way to go |
| 00:17.41 | Thrae | Wait, why was Vertical Sync making my FPS stick at 30 for 60Hz? |
| 00:18.21 | foxlit | You can't do 60 |
| 00:18.32 | foxlit | And it tends to like simple fractions. |
| 00:18.52 | Thrae | foxlit: Not in Dalaran, no |
| 00:19.24 | foxlit | Dalaran is some kind of weird FPS blackhole |
| 00:19.41 | foxlit | It's not even the player population -- it seems to be the city itself. |
| 00:20.08 | Xinhuan | nah its the players |
| 00:20.12 | Xinhuan | i've been in an empty dalaran before |
| 00:20.22 | Xinhuan | right after server maintenance |
| 00:20.27 | foxlit | I've been in Ironforge. |
| 00:20.36 | foxlit | :*( |
| 00:20.39 | Thrae | Without Vertical Sync I get ~40 FPS in Dalaran on "Ultra", with it I'm stuck at 30 FPS |
| 00:21.10 | foxlit | Thrae: doesn't seem too nefarious. |
| 00:21.12 | Xinhuan | ya vsync forces your fps to be at 60, 30, 20, 15, 10, 6 or 5 |
| 00:21.24 | Xinhuan | it chooses the next lowest that is |
| 00:21.28 | Xinhuan | i think i missed 12 |
| 00:21.45 | Thrae | Xinhuan: Weird. Normally games just do the refresh rate or whatever it can handle. |
| 00:21.50 | foxlit | I wonder. |
| 00:21.52 | Xinhuan | that's with vsync off |
| 00:22.03 | Xinhuan | vsync forces your frame rate to be a fraction of 60 |
| 00:22.09 | foxlit | I'm sure I have vsync on, but I also get silly FPS counts at times |
| 00:22.18 | Thrae | Not with all the games I play |
| 00:22.26 | Xinhuan | then you THOUGHT your vsync is off |
| 00:22.34 | Thrae | If there's an area in a game that's less than 60 FPS, it'll do that fraction of FPS |
| 00:22.57 | theorbtwo | Well, your monitor's refresh rate, not 60. |
| 00:23.04 | Thrae | According to RivaTuner, not the in-game FPS counter |
| 00:23.19 | foxlit | Some degree of fps loss is expected, really -- it has to align frames to refreshes, you'll end up losing some |
| 00:23.44 | foxlit | Xinhuan: vsync on, 53 fps |
| 00:23.59 | foxlit | It's fluid, too. 43 |
| 00:24.10 | durcyn | vsync doesn't force anything, it caps it at your current refresh rate, period, the end |
| 00:24.15 | Thrae | I think VSync itself is suppose to reduce tearing at higher than the refresh rate, but I don't know about lower |
| 00:24.55 | theorbtwo | Well, what happens, I think, is that after each frame has finished rendering, it'll wait until after the next refresh to display it. |
| 00:25.27 | durcyn | Xinhuan just likes to talk total bollocks and see who believes him, he's as big a troll as fisker, but not as ugly. |
| 00:25.38 | Thrae | ~fisker |
| 00:25.39 | purl | somebody said fisker was the #wowace channel troll. worthless, or always one step ahead of the average troll |
| 00:25.45 | Thrae | ~emulate fisker |
| 00:25.46 | purl | hmm... emulate fisker is "<reply> OH MY GOD I AM GOING TO CUM" |
| 00:26.01 | theorbtwo | That means that your frame rate drops slightly, visual latency goes up *very* slightly, you'll never get more then your refresh rate, and most importantly, you'll never get half of one frame and half of the other on screen at once. |
| 00:26.31 | Xinhuan | maybe durcyn is right :) |
| 00:26.47 | foxlit | Game needs a "disable friendly players' offensive spell animations" option |
| 00:26.51 | Lunessa | Wow, so much love in this channel. |
| 00:27.08 | foxlit | I really do not care about all those pretty frostbolts they're flinging at Arthas' face. |
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| 00:28.26 | Lunessa | Go go my town: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-14630.html |
| 00:28.58 | Xinhuan | but it will look less epic |
| 00:29.51 | Lopeppeppy | I don't want to know what the college students text in my town. |
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| 00:31.15 | DWSR | Is yellow damage subject to the spell hit cap or the melee hit cap? |
| 00:31.23 | foxlit | http://twitter.com/FakeAPStylebook/statuses/10228700643 |
| 00:31.47 | foxlit | Depends on whether it came from a spell or a melee strike |
| 00:31.54 | foxlit | yellow damage just means "not auto swing" |
| 00:44.50 | KarlKFI|work | !LUA |
| 00:44.58 | KarlKFI|work | LUA? |
| 00:45.04 | KarlKFI|work | someone's missing |
| 00:45.14 | Shadowed | ~LUA |
| 00:45.16 | purl | Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 00:45.29 | frontendloader | local panel = self.panel |
| 00:45.38 | frontendloader | panel = CreateFrame(...) |
| 00:46.02 | frontendloader | is this method of shortening a variable name wrong? |
| 00:46.29 | Shadowed | No, but why are you setting panel to self.panel then overwriting it immediately |
| 00:46.43 | frontendloader | I thought that was wrong then |
| 00:46.57 | WobWork | I'm most entertained by echobazaar |
| 00:47.00 | Shadowed | Nope it's not, you'd do something like: local panel = CreateFrame(...) self.panel = panel thought |
| 00:47.08 | frontendloader | oh, backwards |
| 00:47.20 | frontendloader | derp |
| 00:47.51 | frontendloader | I don't know why I thought it would work like that, probably because I am a moron. |
| 00:47.58 | Shirik | ~wiki AaaaaAAaaaAAAaaAAAAaAAAAA!!! â A Reckless Disregard for Gravity |
| 00:48.08 | Shirik | purl, you suck |
| 00:48.09 | purl | and very well I might add |
| 00:48.12 | Shadowed | Yea, in your case if you wanted to either create the frame and either pull from the already made version you'd do this frontendloader: |
| 00:48.15 | Shadowed | haha |
| 00:48.24 | Shadowed | nice trigger |
| 00:48.32 | Shadowed | local panel = self.panel or CreateFrame(...); self.panel = panel frontendloader |
| 00:49.07 | Kraps | i dont get the obsession with dances in wow |
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| 00:50.27 | Kraps | dance studios |
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| 00:52.36 | Aqua | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/133973 |
| 00:52.50 | Aqua | someone mind taking a look at that for me and telling me what i'm doing wrong? |
| 00:53.21 | Aqua | and other functions below that are there, its just not getting my slash cmd or events stuff runnign correctly |
| 00:53.35 | Adys | you're not actually registering OnLoad |
| 00:53.48 | A-KO | aren't you supposed to use ADDON_LOADED also? |
| 00:53.50 | A-KO | iirc |
| 00:54.03 | A-KO | I could be wrong on that one :P |
| 00:54.22 | A-KO | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/ADDON_LOADED |
| 00:54.53 | Aqua | i'm working from something old |
| 00:56.13 | WobWork | something new? |
| 00:56.18 | WobWork | something borrowed |
| 00:56.22 | WobWork | something blu? |
| 00:56.31 | Aqua | nah, its just something old i never finsih that i'm revisiting |
| 00:56.54 | kaiden | i'm curious why nobody has developed an addon updater that was tab based that showed the ad's of the site associated with the tab you are on, so that those sites wouldn't immediately change their serving method to disallow that program :/ |
| 00:56.57 | Lopeppeppy | is green |
| 00:57.24 | WobWork | Lopeppeppy: =\ That's not easy |
| 00:57.46 | frontendloader | I'm curious why noone ever developed a unified worldwide healthcare system that only used taxpayer money from your respective country. |
| 00:58.28 | Lopeppeppy | I'm curious why no one has shown up to watch scary movies yet. |
| 00:58.37 | kaiden | Lopeppeppy, did you pay them enough money? |
| 00:58.41 | kaiden | if so, there's your reason :) |
| 00:58.46 | kaiden | if not that is |
| 00:59.13 | Jerub | frontendloader: we call that 'travel insurance' and it exists. |
| 00:59.22 | Jerub | except it's not taxpayer funded i don't think. |
| 00:59.28 | WobWork | well |
| 00:59.36 | WobWork | the people that pay the premiums are taxpayers |
| 01:00.08 | WobWork | but I think there might be an outcry if the taxpayers had to pay for their citizen's medical fees -overseas- |
| 01:00.11 | Jerub | i actually know of an australian university lecturer who when he had a bad motorcycle accident in the states was evacuated by the australian embassy to australia for medical care. |
| 01:00.56 | WobWork | Jerub: Are you playing Echo Bazaar? =) |
| 01:01.00 | WobWork | Jerub: and why not! |
| 01:01.04 | Jerub | what is echo bazaar? |
| 01:01.09 | Jerub | WobWork: is it like starcraft 2? |
| 01:01.13 | WobWork | http://echobazaar.failbettergames.com |
| 01:01.21 | WobWork | not in any sense of the concept at all |
| 01:01.30 | WobWork | browser game tied a bit to Twitter |
| 01:01.33 | Jerub | WobWork: we play quakelive.com at lunchtime, which is 60 minutes from now |
| 01:02.10 | Gagorian | Actually, certain countries have made contracts which allow you to get the same medical benefits you would in your home country |
| 01:02.24 | Jerub | NZ will just give you medical care no matter your nationality. |
| 01:02.42 | Gagorian | Like, if I'm in the U.S. I get the same medical benefits I would get here in Finland |
| 01:03.03 | Jerub | Gagorian: oh that's nice. |
| 01:03.32 | Adys | Shirik, ping |
| 01:03.45 | Shirik | adys, wtf you want |
| 01:03.46 | cbreak | Gagorian: for 10 times the price? :) |
| 01:03.54 | Adys | Shirik, fix the lua stack |
| 01:03.59 | Adys | its crashing for me |
| 01:04.01 | Adys | and amro sucks |
| 01:04.09 | Shirik | lua_pop(lua_gettop()) |
| 01:04.18 | Adys | U FIX IT |
| 01:04.21 | Shirik | eh, lua_pop(L, lua_gettop(L)) |
| 01:04.21 | Adys | actually |
| 01:04.27 | Jerub | WobWork: this looks weird. |
| 01:04.28 | Adys | you have a 64bit machine right? |
| 01:04.32 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:04.34 | Shirik | but I can't compile |
| 01:04.35 | Adys | then |
| 01:04.39 | Adys | well |
| 01:04.41 | Adys | why not |
| 01:04.42 | Gagorian | cbreak: Well whatever the costs are you get the same compensation as you would here |
| 01:04.46 | Shirik | library problems |
| 01:04.59 | Adys | ill show you library problems |
| 01:05.24 | Gagorian | Within the EU, people from another EU country usually get the same benefits as the country's own citizens |
| 01:05.52 | Gagorian | But not if you're a sent worker, that's a different deal |
| 01:05.55 | Kraps | BTW fuk the man http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23710461025&sid=1 |
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| 01:09.42 | WobWork | Jerub: it is |
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| 01:09.48 | WobWork | but it's also pretty cool |
| 01:09.57 | WobWork | esp with the amount of lore they have hidden |
| 01:12.40 | Kraps | Shirik: fail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_management |
| 01:13.10 | Shirik | are you saying my room is a mess? |
| 01:13.33 | frontendloader | OnShow doesn't fire for an InterfaceOptions Panel? |
| 01:13.39 | Kraps | i dont know, but the article is |
| 01:13.50 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:15.08 | Shirik | Kraps, I need a new article to write about |
| 01:15.10 | Shirik | what do you think? |
| 01:15.13 | tem | frontendloader, if it's a frame, and it's shown from behind hidden, OnShow fires |
| 01:15.49 | frontendloader | Think I failed at scoping |
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| 01:19.22 | Jerub | WobWork: i have watchful two! |
| 01:21.02 | DWSR | The history of housecleaning has links to the advancement of technology.[citation needed |
| 01:21.06 | DWSR | lol |
| 01:21.26 | Kraps | Shirik: write an essay on how Arthas' and Jaina's feelings for each other affected his turning evil |
| 01:21.44 | Shirik | '''Delete''' Fails [[WP:N]] |
| 01:22.22 | DWSR | Kraps: Jaina's weren't. |
| 01:22.31 | DWSR | She's still such a whiny bitch |
| 01:22.41 | DWSR | And she's completely unsexy in every way. |
| 01:23.07 | Lopeppeppy | Jaina is why he went Horde, there was not a decent girlfriend to be found on the Alliance side. |
| 01:23.23 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is alliance though :( |
| 01:23.37 | Shirik | and Seerah|away |
| 01:23.40 | Shirik | and I think Cairenn|afk was |
| 01:23.47 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: I know. |
| 01:23.49 | Jerub | brandi bear is horde |
| 01:23.54 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Thrall should get it on with Sylvanas. |
| 01:23.57 | Lopeppeppy | Lopeppeppy has a brokened hand still, damn it, so it doesn't matter what tabard I wear. |
| 01:24.05 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, there's porncraft for that. |
| 01:24.29 | alestane | I'm pretty sure rule 34 applies, Lopeppeppy. |
| 01:24.33 | DWSR | Sometimes, Lopeppeppy, what comes out of your mouth (or from your fingers) scares me senseless. |
| 01:24.43 | Shirik | alestane: what, broken hand porn? |
| 01:24.48 | Lopeppeppy | Look up the term. there's a website, I promise. |
| 01:24.57 | Shirik | oh Thrall and Sylvannas |
| 01:25.06 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, that would probably come under the broader category of "medical fetish". |
| 01:25.39 | Jerub | WobWork: what's your tiwtter? |
| 01:29.03 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Wow. |
| 01:30.05 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: I wonder if there's Snuggie porn... |
| 01:30.08 | Torhal | cackles. |
| 01:30.09 | Lopeppeppy | And **Shirik** is the one who hangs out on 4chan, not me! |
| 01:30.14 | Lopeppeppy | Torhal, look for the snuggie sutra |
| 01:30.19 | Torhal | OMFG no |
| 01:30.22 | Torhal | weeps |
| 01:30.23 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, are you looking at 4chan right now by any chance? |
| 01:30.38 | cogwheel | eeeew... when did guild recruiters start using autoresponders that whisper people who talk in General? O.o |
| 01:30.38 | Lopeppeppy | Um, no, I wouldn't go near it with someone *elses* computer, Shirik. |
| 01:30.50 | Shirik | Very peculiar timing because I like never post there, but I did literally a minute ago |
| 01:31.10 | Lopeppeppy | "She sees you when you're posting, she knows when you're a troll...." |
| 01:31.14 | Shirik | though again, it was only a Wikipedia attack thread and all I did was say "We are Wikipedia. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile." |
| 01:31.37 | Shirik | and then the page they were targetting mysteriously locked |
| 01:32.20 | Shirik | A friend took this picture: http://twitpic.com/17mzkj/full |
| 01:32.37 | Shirik | (SFW) |
| 01:33.20 | Lopeppeppy | So what do they *do* on these raids? I don't understand this concept. |
| 01:33.34 | Shirik | just post random crap |
| 01:33.51 | Zyn | sublte changes are more fun |
| 01:33.54 | Shirik | of course, it takes 2 clicks to |
| 01:33.56 | Shirik | 20:26, 9 March 2010 NuclearWarfare (talk | contribs) m (66,126 bytes) (Changed protection level of Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith ([edit=autoconfirmed] (expires 07:26, 10 March 2010 (UTC)) [move=sysop] (indefinite))) (rollback | undo) |
| 01:34.04 | DWSR | The Thing that Should Not Be fails at Borg references. |
| 01:34.04 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: whats the point of trolling? |
| 01:34.23 | Shirik | DWSR: It was a joke, trying to adapt it to Wikipedia terms |
| 01:34.38 | DWSR | Shirik: It was still fail. |
| 01:34.44 | Shirik | well complain to him :P |
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| 01:35.53 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, um |
| 01:35.57 | Shirik | sometimes they do things like this... |
| 01:36.29 | eidolarr | how do you execute a shell command from awk? |
| 01:36.54 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Shirik&diff=prev&oldid=345997106 |
| 01:36.54 | Shirik | etc. |
| 01:37.00 | Shirik | that's all 4chan is |
| 01:37.05 | Shirik | a bunch of nutjobs |
| 01:37.08 | Shirik | and Fiskers |
| 01:41.26 | Kraps | ponders BUTTSECKS |
| 01:43.00 | DWSR | WP:TEARHEADOFF? |
| 01:43.46 | Adys | SHADOWED |
| 01:43.50 | Adys | SHA-DO-WED |
| 01:44.07 | ScytheBlade1 | hey everyone |
| 01:44.09 | ScytheBlade1 | go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Shirik&action=edit&oldid=345997106 |
| 01:44.12 | ScytheBlade1 | press save |
| 01:44.21 | Zyn | encyclopediadramatica is my source of information |
| 01:44.33 | Shadowed | what Adys |
| 01:44.38 | Adys | hi honey im done |
| 01:44.45 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: no ty |
| 01:44.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Everyone BUT Shirik, I should say |
| 01:44.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ignore that line |
| 01:45.03 | Shirik | it pinged me |
| 01:45.03 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:45.06 | ScytheBlade1 | s/that line/those lines/ |
| 01:45.32 | Kraps | calls in the CVU to arrest ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:45.59 | Shirik | beside |
| 01:46.04 | Shirik | I get pinged whenever that page changes |
| 01:46.13 | Shirik | and it takes me one click to restore it |
| 01:46.27 | ScytheBlade1 | waits for Shirik to sleep |
| 01:46.35 | Shirik | what's sleep? |
| 01:46.54 | Shirik | Besides, it's not just me that watches the page... |
| 01:46.59 | Shirik | 20:01, 23 February 2010 Zscout370 (talk | contribs) m (13,245 bytes) (Protected User:Shirik ([edit=autoconfirmed] (indefinite) [move=autoconfirmed] (indefinite))) (undo) |
| 01:47.06 | Shirik | you'll trip an alarm somewhere :P |
| 01:47.09 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, nutjobs. Got it. |
| 01:48.14 | amro | http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/35904/super-street-fighter-iv/videos/ssf4_trl_trailer_30810.html |
| 01:49.43 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RgL2MKfWTo |
| 01:53.02 | Kraps | KEN LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 01:53.18 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1! |
| 01:53.22 | Shirik | HAVE YOU FINISHED YOUR COMPUTER |
| 01:53.31 | ScytheBlade1 | IT IS BEING SETUP NOW |
| 01:53.36 | Shirik | HURRY UP |
| 01:53.40 | Shirik | YOU WILL BE AMAZED |
| 01:54.10 | Thunder_Child | calm down Shirik, calm down |
| 01:54.24 | Shirik | he used caps too :< |
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| 01:57.49 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5489561/get-a-charge-out-of-mass-effect-2s-latest-gun i need to get back into ME2 |
| 02:03.20 | amro | you need to oil up |
| 02:06.28 | Shirik | ok seriously ScytheBlade1 it doesn't take this long to install |
| 02:06.42 | Lopeppeppy | He's being cautious! |
| 02:07.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: it's winXP |
| 02:07.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: any idea how many reboots that requires for a fresh SP3 install? |
| 02:07.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Like twenty |
| 02:07.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oh jeebus. Poor thing! |
| 02:07.32 | Lopeppeppy | That can take like... hours. |
| 02:07.34 | ScytheBlade1 | agrees with Lopeppeppy |
| 02:08.40 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, don't stay awake waiting for ScytheBlade1. Honest. |
| 02:08.49 | Shirik | I'll stay awake anyway |
| 02:09.10 | Lopeppeppy | you shouldn't |
| 02:09.10 | ScytheBlade1 | "Install Updates (74)" |
| 02:09.27 | ScytheBlade1 | downloading! |
| 02:09.30 | ScytheBlade1 | This will be a while |
| 02:09.54 | Dagmar | lights a candle |
| 02:10.15 | Dagmar | The sheer number of reboots involved is the thing that's kept me from doing a reinstall on my girl's machine |
| 02:10.39 | Dagmar | Something's gotten borked in the registry and the machine firmly disbelieves the existance of 1440x900 res now |
| 02:11.58 | DWSR | Shirik: Your talk page has been vandalized only 54 times? |
| 02:12.07 | Shirik | surprising, isn't it? |
| 02:12.36 | DWSR | mhm. |
| 02:12.40 | DWSR | So low.' |
| 02:12.47 | DWSR | I'll have to vandalize it 20-30 more times. |
| 02:13.39 | Dagmar | Just put an extra period in somewhere and mark the change 'Token vandalism so Shirik will feel special." |
| 02:13.44 | Shirik | rofl |
| 02:13.58 | DWSR | I will. |
| 02:14.25 | Dagmar | It technically counts as vandalism, without the karmic worry of seriously pissing someone off. |
| 02:14.50 | Shirik | it might piss someone off, you never know o.o |
| 02:15.50 | Shirik | ... |
| 02:15.53 | Shirik | I can't believe you did that |
| 02:16.03 | DWSR | :D |
| 02:16.23 | Shirik | I'm not sure I even call that vandalism |
| 02:16.29 | DWSR | It's a copyedit. |
| 02:16.29 | DWSR | :P |
| 02:16.39 | DWSR | People fail at punctuation when signing your talk page, apparently. |
| 02:17.29 | DWSR | Also, apparently Aspect Weaver fails at grammar. |
| 02:18.14 | Shirik | you lie |
| 02:18.18 | Shirik | Aspect weaver is a GA |
| 02:19.07 | Shirik | I think you fail at grammar |
| 02:22.25 | frontendloader | setscript doesn't like calling functions with colons in them unless they're done like "OnShow", function() Config:CreateGUI() end? |
| 02:22.32 | Shirik | btw, DWSR, I should show you this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:DDMP |
| 02:22.40 | Shirik | There's things you joke about, and then there's things you do |
| 02:22.49 | Shirik | I already have people going "wtf" about your edit :P |
| 02:23.29 | Dagmar | It shows he cares. |
| 02:24.13 | frontendloader | I suppose you can't pass options to a function unless you encapsulate |
| 02:24.16 | frontendloader | and that is what the : does |
| 02:24.45 | DWSR | Shirik: Just because you can, doesn't mean you shouldn't. |
| 02:24.52 | DWSR | Shirik: also, what's wrong with showing you some love? |
| 02:24.56 | DWSR | huggles Shirik |
| 02:25.03 | Shirik | People read your edit summary and go "wtf is this" |
| 02:25.14 | Shirik | and they twist it in 500 directions and point it back at me :P |
| 02:25.23 | DWSR | Listen, if it were malicious, do you think I would have signed a username? |
| 02:25.31 | Shirik | irrelevant :P |
| 02:26.05 | Shirik | Now |
| 02:26.08 | Shirik | as compensation for your behavior |
| 02:26.13 | Shirik | I demand you tell me which article to work on next |
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| 02:28.10 | Shirik | DEMAND |
| 02:28.17 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoltan_Voros |
| 02:28.30 | Shirik | did you just click random page? |
| 02:28.33 | DWSR | yep |
| 02:28.37 | Shirik | ._. |
| 02:28.51 | Dagmar | There's a list of pages people have marked as needing edits |
| 02:29.35 | DWSR | that one's marked. |
| 02:29.37 | Shirik | those pages are boring |
| 02:29.42 | Shirik | I want something I know about |
| 02:30.44 | DWSR | I told you what article to work on. |
| 02:30.53 | DWSR | THIS IS NOT OPEN FOR DISCUSSION |
| 02:31.12 | Shirik | I veto |
| 02:31.35 | alestane | Sorry, I cannot take seriously any issue couched in the word "losted." |
| 02:32.01 | DWSR | Shirik: This isn't a democracy. |
| 02:32.07 | Shirik | exactly |
| 02:32.09 | Shirik | it's a dictatorship |
| 02:32.15 | Shirik | and you see the one with the @ next to his name? |
| 02:32.51 | Shadowed | Shirik is actually the guy who gets killed right at the start |
| 02:32.53 | Shadowed | just fyi |
| 02:33.02 | Shirik | start of what o.o |
| 02:33.05 | Shadowed | Dunno |
| 02:33.11 | Shadowed | I'll make that part up after |
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| 02:37.39 | DWSR | Shirik: Veto implies that a) You have power and b) You can override my decision. |
| 02:37.46 | DWSR | When we both know that's quite patently FALSE. |
| 02:38.01 | DWSR | Zoltan Voros requires a copyedit. |
| 02:38.03 | DWSR | DO EET. |
| 02:48.42 | Shirik | negative |
| 02:48.46 | Shirik | too broken |
| 02:48.48 | Shirik | prefer deletion |
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| 02:55.56 | alestane | frontendloader: If you're setting it as a script ON THE FRAME that's appearing before the :, you can use dot-syntax: |
| 02:55.57 | alestane | Config:SetScript("OnShow", Config.CreateGUI) |
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| 02:57.10 | DWSR | http://is.gd/a5QJR <-- This is why america needs healthcare. |
| 02:58.03 | kd3 | saw that; fell over laughing |
| 02:58.40 | Arrowmaster | A headline on the New York media blog Gawker.com read: "Sarah Palin Supports Government-Run Health Care, Inadvertently Uses `Ironic' Correctly." |
| 02:58.43 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 03:01.52 | Shadowed | Palin is a crazy nutcase? |
| 03:01.53 | Shadowed | shock |
| 03:01.55 | Shadowed | :O |
| 03:07.56 | Jerub | WobWork: what is your twitters? |
| 03:08.27 | WobWork | wobster |
| 03:13.21 | Dagmar | It actually worries me that anyone takes her and the Tea Party people seriously |
| 03:13.54 | alestane | Iron Law of Institutions. |
| 03:16.56 | Thrae | Is there a way to do like /target skull for the skulled raid target? |
| 03:17.01 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 03:17.02 | alestane | No. |
| 03:17.27 | Dagmar | Specifically, that seems to be one of those things Blizz feels would make combat too easy |
| 03:17.39 | Dagmar | I /kinda/ agree, but I'd be doing it if I could |
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| 03:17.55 | WobWork | can you imagine arenas? =P |
| 03:18.08 | Dagmar | Hell, could you imagine PUGs for VoA? |
| 03:18.33 | Dagmar | Those people can all click as fast as possible, but targeting the _right_ thing at the _right time_ is what makes or breaks 'em |
| 03:19.38 | Dagmar | The air elemental that gets big and you _must_ kill ASAP would become absolutely trivial, as would a lot of other fights |
| 03:20.28 | alestane | At an absolute minimum, setting a target icon on something would require user input. |
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| 03:20.56 | Dagmar | although it would be pretty sweet as raid leader to pop a skull on something and watch just about everyone instantaneously retarget |
| 03:21.02 | kd3 | that's why we can either programmatically /set/ raid icons or /target/ them, but not both. way too easy to bring back decursive |
| 03:21.28 | Dagmar | Programmatically setting them is good enough for me |
| 03:21.34 | kd3 | ^ |
| 03:21.43 | Dagmar | There's a couple addons I've seen that make PUGs a hell of a lot easier to coordinate |
| 03:22.06 | Dagmar | Swing your mouse across the screen and PRESTO everything's marked. Skull dies? Cross gets promoted on the spot |
| 03:22.10 | Dagmar | Very, very nice |
| 03:22.48 | Dagmar | The guild I'm in has seriously terrorized a few places with such addons, just because we're like Pavlov's rabid dogs when you stick a marker on something |
| 03:23.24 | alestane | You're mixing metaphors, but I know what you mean. |
| 03:23.30 | Dagmar | It was fast with the guild leader setting markers before, but the reshuffling of markers was so helpful |
| 03:23.56 | Dagmar | alestane: I don't think I'm mixing much. Pavlov's dog drooled when you rang the bell, right? |
| 03:24.21 | alestane | He trained to dogs to associate another stimulus with feeding time, yes. |
| 03:24.29 | alestane | They were healthy dogs, though. |
| 03:24.30 | Dagmar | It's been a little game to stick say, a square on the OT and see how long it takes people to realize why it can't be CC'd |
| 03:25.04 | Dagmar | We've had people go chasing after the healer before because the GL put a skull over them at the wrong time |
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| 03:25.50 | alestane | Right, so imagine if they had "/cast [target={skull}] Frostbolt" macros. |
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| 03:27.32 | Dagmar | I look at our response time to attach chosen targets as a matter of skill |
| 03:27.46 | Dagmar | s/attach/attack/; |
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| 03:28.19 | Dagmar | Something that bound your attacks to the skull wouldn't actually be as useful, IMHO |
| 03:28.25 | Dagmar | Anything goes awry and you're boned |
| 03:29.03 | Dagmar | Our GL doesn't come down on people for pounding the "wrong" target, because we've got pretty good eyes for when we need to deviate from the pre-defined plan |
| 03:29.29 | WobWork | I wrote an addon that automarked |
| 03:29.35 | WobWork | I called it Paintball |
| 03:29.49 | Dagmar | The two I remember are MagicMarker (sweet!) and LuckyCharms |
| 03:29.52 | WobWork | You could put in a filter, and it'd scrub |
| 03:29.58 | WobWork | yeah, mine was before those two |
| 03:30.11 | WobWork | then they changed the mechanism for marking and it stopped working for my addon |
| 03:30.17 | Dagmar | I should put one of them back in for pugging on the DK |
| 03:31.06 | Dagmar | The amount of _talk_ that happens in LFD groups lately tends to be less than 50 lines in total |
| 03:31.23 | Dagmar | ...and I can't mark quickly for beans |
| 03:31.50 | Dagmar | We were blowing away MGT and Kara using an auto-marker |
| 03:32.16 | Dagmar | ...and when the GL is marking for PUGs the fill-ins always seem to be able to catch on quickly |
| 03:33.17 | Jerub | the guild i pug with has some interesting warm up excersises before bosses. |
| 03:33.38 | Jerub | like before marrowgar the RL (also a healer) would mark himself, then get the entire raid to pratice stacking on him. |
| 03:33.59 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 03:34.02 | Jerub | it's awesome seeing 22 people stack precisely on a single point in a coordinated manner. |
| 03:34.08 | amro | did they also rehearse the dance at heigan? |
| 03:34.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Kinda awesome seeing people you know on postsecret |
| 03:34.19 | tem | anyone here done heroic deathwhisper (25 man)? |
| 03:34.24 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 killed my computer |
| 03:34.34 | amro | lies |
| 03:34.39 | amro | windows killed your computer |
| 03:35.58 | Jerub | oh, but the point of that story is that they mark in raids lots, and the policy is (and everyone knows it) to nail the skull with single target dps and then when it's down they're allowed to AOE |
| 03:35.58 | frontendloader | do frames inherit the dimensions of their parent? |
| 03:36.32 | Jerub | and they're actually good at it. |
| 03:42.13 | Kandoko | frontendloader: I don't think frames have any dimension when created/parented unless you define it or say :SetAllPoints() thou that's off my bad memory |
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| 03:50.50 | frontendloader | yeah setallpoints should do the trick if this isn't right |
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| 04:03.15 | elec29a | hi ho nice ppl i admire all of you here |
| 04:03.49 | Jerub | elec29a: you wouldn't if you knew any of us. |
| 04:04.49 | elec29a | lol but i did ask a question in our german form and no answer you did answer in 2 secs (ok our server is down now) |
| 04:06.19 | elec29a | and i am prominet on my server the most known person on server madmortem they hate an like me :) |
| 04:06.49 | frontendloader | So you could say that you're kind of a big deal? |
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| 04:07.01 | elec29a | yes in some way |
| 04:07.02 | DWSR | lol |
| 04:07.51 | elec29a | i was programmer but doctors fear me i have hacked most companies here in italy and they wanna sleep and not fix bugs |
| 04:08.35 | clever | !wowalert |
| 04:08.51 | Sixen | ~wowalert |
| 04:08.52 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 04:09.41 | clever | ah, ~ |
| 04:09.53 | elec29a | you are good ppl undernet is a hacker scene |
| 04:10.10 | Shirik | Okay, I've been trying to think of something nice to say, but I give up, so I'll be blunt |
| 04:10.15 | Shirik | Do you have a reason for being here? |
| 04:10.21 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 04:10.28 | DWSR | ~Shirik++ |
| 04:10.31 | Dagmar | "undernet is a hacker scene" ROFL |
| 04:10.43 | DWSR | Someone please quote that shit. |
| 04:10.47 | clever | Dagmar: i think ive been told to go back to undernet before :P |
| 04:11.04 | clever | and that was over a nearly harmless $decode, which i didnt even write |
| 04:11.08 | Dagmar | clever: Are you the clever I know from #MythTV-users |
| 04:11.12 | clever | yes |
| 04:11.12 | elec29a | maybe i didt write http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/hsc.aspx with 10 dowloads a day its shit i know but you are funny |
| 04:11.19 | Dagmar | clever: Oh! Hey man whassup |
| 04:11.33 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/03/09/funny-pictures-girl-scout/ |
| 04:11.35 | clever | Dagmar: cant login to wow! |
| 04:11.40 | Dagmar | clever: Ouch |
| 04:12.06 | Shirik | I don't care what you've done, really, nor do I care about your "awesome hacker accomplishments". This channel is about wow development and while we are quite frequently OT, I'm not going to have people bragging about how they are some leet hacker in this channel. |
| 04:12.09 | clever | login server is currently busy, pleave try again later |
| 04:12.20 | Dagmar | clever: I dunno what's up with the streaming patch I submitted. I'm assuming someone's holding off until there's perl bindings for SGs |
| 04:12.24 | Iriel | alestane: cute |
| 04:12.40 | clever | elec29a: http://catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.html |
| 04:12.45 | Shirik | thanks clever |
| 04:12.56 | elec29a | thx clever : is mirc unsecure some days ago they did kick me from irc and delete the server from mirc |
| 04:13.05 | Dagmar | clever: I gotta add about five lines to it to make it actually wholly support multipart range requests, but I've also found nothing that _uses_ them besides curl when you explicitly tell it to |
| 04:13.17 | Dagmar | It does definitely fix streaming for ASX tho |
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| 04:13.57 | clever | Dagmar: i beleive wget also uses range requests, and ive made a hacked up client to use them before once |
| 04:14.59 | Dagmar | Well, the issue is range requests don't always involve just a simple a-b. They _can_ involve a-b,c-d,g-x so one request can pretty much pick and choose what it wants of the file |
| 04:15.19 | Dagmar | Windows Media Player and VLC do them one request at a time, always |
| 04:15.27 | Shirik | Dagmar: That looked like an emacs key sequence |
| 04:15.43 | clever | Dagmar: i think firefox is doing something like that |
| 04:15.44 | Dagmar | Shirik: Well, I didn't feel like trying to type of the BNF description. |
| 04:15.56 | Shirik | no worries, I was just pointing out how fucked up emacs is |
| 04:15.57 | clever | whenever it does download a .xpi (ff extension) it does several requests that end in 206 |
| 04:16.11 | Sixen | Now, now shirik... elec is a hacker. |
| 04:16.14 | Sixen | He learned: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 04:16.19 | kd3 | laughs |
| 04:16.23 | Dagmar | clever: Those wouldn't be range requests that I'm aware of |
| 04:16.24 | Shirik | thwacks Sixen |
| 04:16.33 | Sixen | Sarcasm, -_-; |
| 04:16.36 | Dagmar | I know it'll do range requests if it's trying to resume a download |
| 04:16.42 | Shirik | ok let's go |
| 04:16.49 | clever | Dagmar: '206 Partial Content' |
| 04:17.10 | clever | the status codes say its a ranged request and the file size in the log backs that up |
| 04:17.24 | Dagmar | clever: TBH I should submit a patch just adding five lines of documentation/comments explaining WTF the $block_size $chunk_size and so on mean. I think those are what screwed up kormoc when he coded in the original support for it |
| 04:17.41 | Dagmar | clever: Okay so I guess it's pulling just part of the xpi so it can get details |
| 04:17.48 | clever | 84.37.19.162 - - [08/Mar/2010:08:07:08 +0000] "GET /ae/ae.beta.xpi HTTP/1.1" 206 130521 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100115 Firefox/3.6 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)" |
| 04:17.52 | clever | 84.37.19.162 - - [08/Mar/2010:08:07:11 +0000] "GET /ae/ae.beta.xpi HTTP/1.1" 206 129565 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100115 Firefox/3.6 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)" |
| 04:18.21 | clever | the file itself is 130521 |
| 04:18.31 | Dagmar | clever: In theory, things should be able to read the id3 tags right off an mp3 on a webserver pretty efficiently, but I've not found anything doing that either |
| 04:18.47 | elec29a | so mirc windows is insecure if they deleted something in my mirc server.ini but i trusth hackers that dont damage me :) thx damgmar brb i have to read your post is soooo long but thx i have to read on |
| 04:18.51 | clever | yeah, thats what i was thinking it was doing (xpi is .zip) |
| 04:18.57 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: depends on what version of id3 tag |
| 04:19.00 | clever | elec29a: thats usualy only posible if you let them in |
| 04:19.02 | Iriel | Dagmar: Can't the ID3 tags be ANYWHERE in the stream? o |
| 04:19.07 | Shirik | Hold up |
| 04:19.09 | Shirik | Firefox is .NET? |
| 04:19.15 | Dagmar | In a stream, yes, but in a file I don't think so |
| 04:19.21 | kd3 | it's built with it on w32 |
| 04:19.24 | kd3 | iirc |
| 04:19.25 | Iriel | A file is just a stream frozen on disk |
| 04:19.29 | Shirik | I thought it was Java |
| 04:19.29 | Dagmar | I think I read they were appended to the end with a little jump marker at the front |
| 04:19.37 | kdtresh | didn't microsoft do a stealth install of a ff .net addon that added all their vulnerabilities? |
| 04:19.38 | Shirik | it consumes enough memory |
| 04:19.49 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: no its the .NET runtime plugin that MS force installs that adds that |
| 04:19.49 | Dagmar | kdthresh: MULTIPLE times the f**kers |
| 04:20.09 | Dagmar | They wedged in an ActiveX control applet once |
| 04:20.12 | Dagmar | I was *not* happy about that |
| 04:20.17 | Shirik | Has there been any investigation into the legality of that? |
| 04:20.20 | kdtresh | i think it was unable to be disabled without hacking the registry, too |
| 04:20.41 | Arrowmaster | MS has also broken the firefox UI multiple times because of their buggy plugin |
| 04:20.52 | Dagmar | Shirik: Well, it did say it was going to install stuff, it just didn't mention specifically _what_, so they were somewhat in the clear legally afaik |
| 04:21.03 | Dagmar | It was just really uncool |
| 04:21.22 | Iriel | Stop the presses - MS did something uncool! |
| 04:21.22 | clever | i beleive firefox has since blacklisted the .net plugin, forcing it to never actualy run |
| 04:21.26 | Arrowmaster | mozilla said they were going to change firefox so that it was impossible to have a plugin like that not be uninstallable or not disablable like MS did |
| 04:21.30 | Dagmar | I took the easy way out, uninstalled FF, nuked all it's directories, and reinstalled it |
| 04:23.20 | Dagmar | Second to a PDF reader, ActiveX is the thing I *least* want to see in my list of FF plugins |
| 04:24.24 | Trela | SIVERLIGHT! |
| 04:24.35 | Dagmar | Okay maybe that third tho |
| 04:25.07 | elec29a | you are the masters of wow i dint find a better source thx (i am brb i read on explorer) |
| 04:25.29 | kd3 | wait, wait, wha? |
| 04:25.31 | kd3 | scrolls up |
| 04:27.32 | kd3 | in other news, the engrish is strong in this one: http://wowi.pastey.net/133992 |
| 04:28.25 | kd3 | but it'll still probably nab a few accounts |
| 04:28.28 | kd3 | blah |
| 04:29.18 | kdtresh | http://www.frys.com/product/6092888 |
| 04:29.23 | kdtresh | engrish in the wild |
| 04:30.28 | kd3 | though hotmail's X-Originating-IP header is useful... |
| 04:33.39 | elec29a | lol a gm told me today i dont have the tools to copy an url from text wtf |
| 04:35.14 | Jerub | ow ow ow wo wo wow owow ow |
| 04:35.24 | Jerub | just hurt my head on a doorway i forgot to duck for. |
| 04:36.15 | Thunder_Child | stop being so tall |
| 04:36.29 | elec29a | thats the truth i know him :( personaly |
| 04:37.16 | Seerah | I don't have that problem... |
| 04:37.26 | kd3 | no I would expect not |
| 04:37.47 | elec29a | gm cant install copy addons :( |
| 04:38.20 | clever | elec29a: why not? |
| 04:39.57 | elec29a | they said so i know a gm in paris |
| 04:40.22 | elec29a | i dont knwo why |
| 04:40.48 | elec29a | and thx dagmar you did give me 1hour to read brb |
| 04:50.05 | elec29a | is it possible to play on an us server from europe or are there lag problems ? |
| 04:50.43 | elec29a | i wanna learn a new language during playing and i dont like uk |
| 04:51.20 | kdtresh | so... you want to learn what, chinese? on a us server? |
| 04:52.16 | elec29a | no i learn chinese from goldfarmes on msn and english on us servers |
| 04:52.28 | kdtresh | are there different localizations available on us servers compared to uk? |
| 04:52.31 | elec29a | ni hao |
| 04:52.45 | kd3 | enUS and esMX |
| 04:52.58 | kdtresh | everyone knows ni hao |
| 04:52.59 | kdtresh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dkkf5NEIo0 |
| 04:54.51 | elec29a | i love china farmers kdtresh thx alot :) |
| 04:55.33 | frontendloader | aceconfig best lib |
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| 04:56.13 | doc-saintly | is it possible to open a frame if you know the name of it? |
| 04:56.18 | frontendloader | I always try to do it manually before using a library :/ |
| 04:56.24 | frontendloader | FrameName:Show() |
| 04:56.32 | kdtresh | getglobal("frameName"):Show() |
| 04:56.57 | frontendloader | I don't think you need the getglobal any more? |
| 04:57.37 | kdtresh | certainly possible, i've always used it, and it still works |
| 04:57.38 | frontendloader | maybe in some cases |
| 04:57.52 | frontendloader | WorldFrame:Hide() :3 |
| 04:58.06 | kdtresh | elec29a: that gets stuck in my head occasionally, along with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm63Gmaxlho |
| 04:59.12 | kdtresh | heh, i like the action bar completely filled with moonfire |
| 04:59.46 | elec29a | kdtresh: are you italian this video is italian.... ? i dont understand you or did you just watch at my ip ? |
| 05:00.22 | kdtresh | no, i'm not italian, and i haven't linked to anything in italian >< |
| 05:00.37 | elec29a | i know you are average i have to learn from you masters |
| 05:01.06 | doc-saintly | frontendloader: thanks! Is it possible to push a button? |
| 05:01.19 | doc-saintly | or know the placement of a slider element? |
| 05:01.33 | doc-saintly | also, if there's a place that has all these noob questions, please link me |
| 05:01.43 | Arrowmaster | google.com |
| 05:01.47 | kdtresh | i always throw it all in an if block |
| 05:01.56 | elec29a | ok dont kick me for that question i see goldfarmes on our server for over 4 months using teleport exploits they are falling from sky could you point me in a direction where i can find such addons i didnt find it in google |
| 05:02.08 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:02.17 | kdtresh | f = getglobal("name") if (f) then <stuff> else print("name not found") end |
| 05:02.20 | Arrowmaster | and if i could i would kick you for that |
| 05:02.34 | Arrowmaster | kdtresh: getglobal shouldnt be used |
| 05:02.52 | kdtresh | is it being deprecated? |
| 05:02.56 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:03.07 | Arrowmaster | it always was really |
| 05:03.22 | Seerah | If your frame has a global name, you don't need to use getglobal() anyway. just use the global name |
| 05:03.27 | kdtresh | is there any way to check to make sure a frame exists before you try to do something to it? |
| 05:03.47 | WobWork | ... "Please don't kick me for asking about something against the terms of service, but can you please tell me how to break the terms of service?" |
| 05:03.58 | WobWork | gtfo |
| 05:04.02 | Seerah | lol |
| 05:04.29 | Arrowmaster | kdtresh: yes just do the same thing you were doing except dont use getglobal |
| 05:05.10 | Seerah | elec29a: no, as those are 1) not addons, but 3rd party software/hacks and 2) against the TOS/EULA |
| 05:05.16 | WobWork | elec29a: Quite simply, do not ask. No, we will -not- help you break ToS. |
| 05:05.33 | WobWork | and if you insist on continuing to request information about that, you -will- be banned |
| 05:05.40 | Arrowmaster | havent we gone over this before with elec29a |
| 05:05.44 | WobWork | yes we have |
| 05:05.52 | WobWork | when he first came in here |
| 05:06.04 | elec29a | ok rofl you couldnt ask me that i need to contact china farmers i wannt only to reverse and know more |
| 05:06.28 | elec29a | i am only reversing wow |
| 05:06.35 | kdtresh | how is that relevant? |
| 05:06.40 | Arrowmaster | good by |
| 05:06.45 | WobWork | You want to reverse engineer WoW? |
| 05:06.49 | WobWork | yeah, gtfo =P |
| 05:06.59 | Shadowed | It's simple. We do not help or support people who want to break the ToS/EULA even if it's for "learning more." |
| 05:06.59 | Arrowmaster | waits for the kb |
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| 05:07.04 | WobWork | Go play your private server somewhere else |
| 05:07.04 | kdtresh | how does that change anything in regards to the way we should respond to that? |
| 05:07.14 | Shadowed | #wowuidev is not the channel for you if that's what you want |
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| 05:07.42 | kdtresh | what's your wow account username and password? it's just for reference, i'm learning |
| 05:07.57 | elec29a | its only strange that gms dosent notcie that in 4 months of using |
| 05:08.21 | Arrowmaster | they do notice |
| 05:08.26 | Arrowmaster | the accounts are banned |
| 05:08.33 | elec29a | no |
| 05:08.34 | kdtresh | if it happens in front of more than a few people, they almost surely know |
| 05:08.56 | Seerah | If there is one more mention of private servers or TOS violations, someone's getting kicked from the channel. |
| 05:09.08 | elec29a | ok sorry |
| 05:09.12 | Thunder_Child | is tempted |
| 05:09.20 | Seerah | glares at TC |
| 05:09.21 | kd3 | is tempted too |
| 05:09.39 | Shadowed | Private servers eh? |
| 05:09.40 | Thunder_Child | glare all you want Seerah, but i wanna |
| 05:09.41 | Shadowed | what are those! |
| 05:09.42 | Seerah | sniffles (from allergies) and then glares some more |
| 05:09.48 | Shadowed | grins at Seerah |
| 05:09.55 | Thunder_Child | they are things that break the TOS |
| 05:10.02 | Cairenn | reminds people that she is watching, too |
| 05:10.05 | Seerah | sighs |
| 05:10.08 | Shadowed | the eternal overlord sees all |
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| 05:10.29 | Cairenn | that's administratrix to you, Shadowed |
| 05:10.38 | Shadowed | eternal overlord is easier to spell |
| 05:10.45 | elec29a | but learing from breaking is even good in my opinion |
| 05:10.52 | Shadowed | And not what this channel is for |
| 05:10.58 | Cairenn | elec29a: you've been warned, more than once |
| 05:11.03 | Cairenn | drop it or leave |
| 05:11.04 | elec29a | ok |
| 05:11.38 | elec29a | sorry i admire you you are the best source |
| 05:12.51 | elec29a | you know 100 times more then our top guild on the server |
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| 05:16.07 | DWSR | Does anyone know of the proc from http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49495 procs on stuff like Frost strike? |
| 05:17.07 | WobWork | I would go hit a dummy |
| 05:17.38 | Adys | Chance on Hit procs will proc off any: |
| 05:17.42 | Adys | - White weapon hit |
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| 05:18.00 | Adys | - Hit that requires a melee swing, eg that resets the swing timer |
| 05:19.37 | DWSR | "instantly strike the enemy" <-- I'm assuming this resets the swing timer. |
| 05:19.57 | tem | no |
| 05:20.11 | tem | instant attacks don't affect the swing timer |
| 05:20.42 | DWSR | so there's no DK attacks that reset the swing timer? |
| 05:22.59 | DWSR | also, tem, I was reading the EJ thread for unholy DPS, and they said that a uh/fr build without reaping > the uh/bl build with reaping, but I can't find the former mentioned anywhere. |
| 05:23.36 | DWSR | Know anything about that |
| 05:23.36 | DWSR | ? |
| 05:23.52 | DWSR | oh nevermind. |
| 05:23.56 | DWSR | EJ's link colours suck |
| 05:23.58 | doc-saintly | What would you call things like FrameName:Show() and FrameName:Hide() . i'm trying to find a list of frame actions but this is not yielding anything |
| 05:24.48 | DWSR | doc-saintly: Widget API |
| 05:24.57 | DWSR | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets#frame |
| 05:25.00 | doc-saintly | DWSR: tyvm |
| 05:25.03 | DWSR | Those are the frame specific ones. |
| 05:25.05 | DWSR | There are others. |
| 05:25.19 | DWSR | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets#simplehtml ??? |
| 05:25.21 | DWSR | simpleHTML? |
| 05:25.22 | doc-saintly | am currently on wowwiki.com/widget_api |
| 05:25.46 | DWSR | doc-saintly: The wowp page is much better. |
| 05:25.55 | doc-saintly | right-o, bookmarked :) thanks |
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| 05:29.52 | DWSR | Anyone here a DK expert? |
| 05:39.33 | Seerah | define expert... |
| 05:42.42 | DWSR | nevermind. |
| 05:42.45 | DWSR | Got my question answered. |
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| 05:48.51 | DWSR | Seerah: Thanks, though |
| 05:52.27 | frontendloader | [23:23] <DWSR> EJ's link colours suck |
| 05:52.35 | frontendloader | I've said this directly to the lead admin there a few times |
| 05:52.41 | frontendloader | yet they don't change it |
| 05:52.53 | DWSR | Any more news on AC2, anyone? |
| 05:53.04 | frontendloader | servers still down |
| 05:53.09 | frontendloader | j/k idk |
| 05:53.13 | DWSR | lol imagine. |
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| 06:03.37 | cogwheel | Hello; congratulations on being presented by blizzard of the 3500 gold. |
| 06:06.59 | WobWork | that's quite a blizzard of gold |
| 06:07.06 | WobWork | I bet it'd hurt |
| 06:07.08 | Corrodias | ough my face |
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| 06:07.40 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:07.43 | DWSR | Oh a side note. |
| 06:07.51 | dagmar | Wow epic is ugly |
| 06:07.53 | DWSR | Burnished Quel'Sellar owns. |
| 06:08.01 | DWSR | Quel'Serrar |
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| 06:09.29 | WobWork | if I get the hilt |
| 06:09.33 | WobWork | I dunno which toon to give it to |
| 06:09.38 | WobWork | what's the healer version? |
| 06:09.41 | WobWork | (is there one?) |
| 06:10.08 | Adys | WobWork: http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/item/quel'delar/?quality=4 |
| 06:12.23 | Jerub | WobWork: yes, there's a healer version. and non-sword versions. |
| 06:12.48 | Jerub | WobWork: but there's a knife in the first wing of icc that's a perfectl acceptalbe healing weapon |
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| 06:13.22 | Adys | quel delar is a sword |
| 06:13.30 | Adys | theres no non sword version :P |
| 06:13.37 | Adys | just 2h, 2h, mh, 1h |
| 06:13.38 | Jerub | Adys: .. there are non-sword battered hilt rewards. |
| 06:13.40 | DWSR | Adys: Quel'Serrar. |
| 06:13.46 | DWSR | Oh, nvm. |
| 06:13.54 | Jerub | Adys: you know this right? |
| 06:14.02 | Adys | Jerub: im talking about quel delar :P |
| 06:14.11 | DWSR | What Jerub said. |
| 06:14.11 | Jerub | WobWork was talking about battered hilt. |
| 06:14.17 | Adys | right |
| 06:14.32 | DWSR | There are quest rewards from that chain which are not Quel'Delar, but the same level. |
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| 06:14.44 | Jerub | anyway, midnight sun drops in icc10 man first wing, and that's a nice healer's dagger |
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| 06:15.03 | Thunder_Child | http://blog.metalabdesign.com/post/437932602/metalab-goes-open-source |
| 06:15.10 | Jerub | and nibelung drops in first wing icc25 so that's dps caster |
| 06:15.26 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:15.27 | Jerub | i'd give the battered hilt to a toon that isn't likely to get an icc weapon |
| 06:15.28 | DWSR | Staves are fail. |
| 06:15.39 | DWSR | Frozen Bonespike + OH from Deathshout. |
| 06:15.46 | WobWork | yeah, I'm not likely to go to ICC soon |
| 06:15.53 | Jerub | i.e. one you don't raid with |
| 06:15.54 | WobWork | esp not 25 |
| 06:17.10 | Adys | mozilla have become real douches |
| 06:17.16 | Jerub | Adys: become? |
| 06:18.13 | Jerub | what have they done this time :( |
| 06:19.30 | Adys | what tc linked |
| 06:19.39 | Adys | https://wiki.mozilla.org/File:FlightDeck_Editor.png vs http://www.metalabdesign.com/ |
| 06:21.57 | Jerub | oh ffs. |
| 06:22.00 | Jerub | i hate seeing stuff like that |
| 06:22.03 | DWSR | It's open source. |
| 06:22.43 | ZorbaTHut | man, what is it with Hellfire Ramparts? I join the instance and the first five minutes of combat are solid rankwatch spam |
| 06:23.03 | WobWork | welcome to 58-65 levelling |
| 06:23.27 | WobWork | especially since there's no easy way to get home to train unless you hearth in Shatt |
| 06:23.40 | DWSR | RankWatch is the spawn of Satan, right next to GearScore. |
| 06:23.45 | ZorbaTHut | solution: hearth in shatt |
| 06:23.49 | WobWork | RW is, at least useful |
| 06:23.49 | ZorbaTHut | or better yet dal |
| 06:23.57 | ZorbaTHut | rankwatch is enormously useful :P |
| 06:23.59 | WobWork | GS is not =P |
| 06:24.16 | DWSR | WobWork: The gas chambers that hitler used were useful. |
| 06:24.26 | WobWork | puts forward the example of that awesome DK in top level GS spellpower plate |
| 06:24.45 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, no, they were effective |
| 06:25.02 | WobWork | GS is neither effective or useful =P |
| 06:25.11 | WobWork | (.. nor useful?) |
| 06:25.27 | Jerub | WobWork: 'or' in this context i think. |
| 06:25.28 | DWSR | WobWork: nor useful. |
| 06:25.31 | Jerub | WobWork: which example? |
| 06:25.32 | DWSR | Jerub: nor. |
| 06:25.55 | WobWork | Jerub: he basically put together a spellpower plate set |
| 06:26.06 | WobWork | then went to raids using GS checks |
| 06:26.08 | Jerub | WobWork: like, 245? or 251/264 ? |
| 06:26.16 | WobWork | then spent the entire time Icy Touching and Death Coiling |
| 06:26.19 | WobWork | and hitting /oom |
| 06:26.24 | WobWork | The latter =P |
| 06:26.33 | kaiden^ | is there an api call to show when your character was created |
| 06:26.33 | Jerub | WobWork: that's a labour of love |
| 06:26.35 | kaiden^ | date and time? |
| 06:26.38 | WobWork | Jerub: indeed =) |
| 06:26.39 | DWSR | kaiden^: No. |
| 06:26.49 | kaiden^ | aww's :( shucks |
| 06:27.25 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Picked up a piece of 264 Sanctified and Burnished Quel'Serrar today. |
| 06:27.26 | DWSR | :D |
| 06:27.28 | kaiden^ | proof that gearscore is pointless, i just ding'd 80 on my lock, 2600 gearscore, got into a random heroic occulus with all 5000+ gs'ers, i was the top dps :p |
| 06:27.52 | Jerub | actually, there are serious parallels from GS to IQ |
| 06:28.15 | WobWork | what's MENSA then? |
| 06:28.23 | DWSR | WobWork: Over 9000. |
| 06:28.28 | Jerub | WobWork: it's like IQ but you have to pay money to have it. |
| 06:29.02 | DWSR | kaiden^: GS doesn't pretend to give you a player's skill level. |
| 06:29.06 | DWSR | kaiden^: Most people just think it does. |
| 06:29.12 | Jerub | the 'quotient' part of IQ refers to your age. it's intelligence divided by age. i don't even know why they use the IQ term for adults... |
| 06:29.26 | DWSR | kaiden^: GS is broken for a very different set of reasons than 80% of the people that whine about it think. |
| 06:29.27 | Jerub | i of course refer to the original reason and methodology behind IQ testing |
| 06:30.16 | Jerub | i look at people's gear, and i'm a lot happier to see something that drops from twin valkyrs or anub or KT or something than to see lots of 245/251/264 gear |
| 06:30.16 | Shadowed | The problem with Gearscore is that it's displayed in a way to imply to users that it means everything. |
| 06:30.27 | Jerub | becasue it means they've actually raided enough to get those drops |
| 06:30.33 | WobWork | GS/DPS =P |
| 06:30.37 | Shadowed | Even if the intentions aren't to make it the only stat, it's setup poorly and it pretty easily communicates to users "HEY LOOK AT ME" |
| 06:30.45 | WobWork | it's an AWESOME equation =P |
| 06:30.56 | Shadowed | But then you have other features, like the GS/DPS ratio that makes me question if he actually believes GS isn't a skill metric |
| 06:31.35 | Jerub | brandi bear has a matched pair of trinkets from ony10. if i saw someone else with that i'd accept them just because you can't get that pair without learning how to raid properly. |
| 06:31.44 | WobWork | why people suddenly think GS relates in -any- way to skill... |
| 06:32.07 | Shadowed | WobWork: Don't forget, GS is shown on tooltips, in chat... pretty much everywhere you're going to be looking at a player |
| 06:32.08 | WobWork | the only way GS relates to skill is that you need less at higher GS to do the same |
| 06:32.16 | Shadowed | It's not that surprising that people start to correlate "The higher number with skill" |
| 06:32.31 | Shadowed | Look at how people think memory is a performance metric because it's higher on some addons |
| 06:33.02 | WobWork | gah |
| 06:33.03 | Shadowed | It's an easy and visible stat, people see it and start to think it means something... eventually the myth spreads and it becomes common knowledge |
| 06:33.04 | WobWork | reboot time |
| 06:33.14 | WobWork | common misconception |
| 06:33.18 | Shadowed | Well, --- yea |
| 06:33.25 | Jerub | what stuns me is how many people think defragging your hdd can solve windows bluescreens |
| 06:33.31 | Arrowmaster | to be fair memory used to be a performance metric in classic |
| 06:33.37 | Jerub | that's the kind of mystic chicken waving that amazes me |
| 06:33.41 | Shadowed | Arrowmaster: Back in classic you had no real way of detecting memory |
| 06:33.44 | Arrowmaster | except the majority of players didnt play during classic |
| 06:33.46 | DWSR | Jerub: It does, didn't you know? |
| 06:33.47 | WobWork | waves a chicken over his webserver |
| 06:33.54 | Shadowed | you could do it on login if I recall, with Warmup? |
| 06:34.00 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 06:34.46 | Shadowed | The memory myth didn't really start to spread till Ace2, and took off more when Blizzard added pollable memory information in start of TBC. It got added to the computer icon in 2.2-2.3 I think? |
| 06:35.04 | DWSR | yes |
| 06:35.07 | Shadowed | Err that sentance was phrased weirdly |
| 06:35.17 | DWSR | Not really. |
| 06:35.33 | DWSR | more was probably superfluous, but other than that it was fine. |
| 06:35.35 | Shadowed | When was Ace2 again |
| 06:35.48 | Arrowmaster | classic |
| 06:36.00 | Shadowed | Hrm was it? Nevermind then |
| 06:36.06 | Shadowed | Was thinking it was in TBC |
| 06:36.52 | Arrowmaster | Ace was going to be deprecated in TBC except Kaelten was too lazy to rewrite his addons and fixed Ace1 instead |
| 06:37.44 | Arrowmaster | but Ace2 existed prior to TBC |
| 06:38.15 | DWSR | Shadowed: How does EAr score the percentages of instances completed? |
| 06:38.19 | Jerub | http://www.symantec.com/connect/fr/blogs/trojan-found-usb-battery-charger-software |
| 06:38.20 | Shadowed | It's buggy right now |
| 06:38.24 | Shadowed | I'm working on it |
| 06:38.38 | Shadowed | It's some weird ordering issue, just not sure why |
| 06:39.29 | DWSR | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Emerald%20Dream/Arelin <-- 52% done VoA10? |
| 06:39.38 | DWSR | I thought it was because you had to run the instance multiple times. |
| 06:39.48 | Shadowed | mouseover the percent |
| 06:40.07 | Thunder_Child | http://www.patspapers.com/blog/item/what_if_everybody_flushed_at_once_Edmonton_water_gold_medal_hockey_game/ |
| 06:40.23 | DWSR | Shadowed: so I do have to run it multiple rtimes? |
| 06:40.28 | Shadowed | yes |
| 06:41.22 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: LOL |
| 06:41.47 | DWSR | Shadowed: But, I can kill Razuvious (for example) in Naxx 65 times and get a 100% done for Naxx? |
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| 06:42.25 | Shadowed | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15573-ElitistGroup.html read dungeon experience |
| 06:43.46 | Jerub | i'm glad it does stuff lik ethe 'inexperienced alt' thing |
| 06:44.15 | DWSR | yeah |
| 06:44.23 | DWSR | I might have to try and convince my server to get it. |
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| 06:45.16 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: How you like me now: http://elitistarmory.com/US/Emerald%20Dream/Arelin? |
| 06:45.18 | DWSR | fuck |
| 06:45.20 | DWSR | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Emerald%20Dream/Arelin no ? |
| 06:46.18 | DWSR | Shadowed: EGr @ Curse? |
| 06:46.57 | ZorbaTHut | quel'serrar is faster than it really should be, and defense isn't an amazing stat for you. that said, assuming you upgraded from another infantry assault blade, it's a perfectly fine upgrade |
| 06:47.51 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I upgraded http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37235 |
| 06:48.03 | DWSR | I upgraded mostly for the stamina and the armor on the proc. |
| 06:48.05 | DWSR | Defense was *shrug* |
| 06:48.10 | Adys | ... wow |
| 06:48.20 | Adys | kd3: am i the only one getting crap gfx on the last ptr build? |
| 06:48.27 | Adys | I feel like I own an ati card here |
| 06:48.28 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it's not a very good ilvl245 tanking weapon for you. that said, it's a great upgrade from a blue ilvl200 :) |
| 06:48.35 | DWSR | yeap |
| 06:48.46 | DWSR | The fact that the weapon damage is almost 2x is win. |
| 06:49.26 | ZorbaTHut | what's with the arp gem? :P |
| 06:50.04 | ZorbaTHut | overall it looks like you're gearing up nicely, though you've still got a few wtf points ;) |
| 06:50.06 | Adys | jesus |
| 06:50.16 | Adys | wow has suddenly transformed into the creepiest game ive ever played |
| 06:51.14 | ZorbaTHut | adys, hmm? gimme a screenshot |
| 06:51.39 | Adys | on it, sec |
| 06:52.40 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: didn't have anything to put in it otherwise at the time |
| 06:53.01 | DWSR | also, can't find a jc with guardian's dreadstone |
| 06:53.15 | ZorbaTHut | auction house, yo. even my backwater server has a pile of pretty much every gem up at once |
| 06:53.23 | Adys | oh my god |
| 06:53.29 | Adys | this looks so cool to an extent |
| 06:53.43 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: i bought the gem with badges. |
| 06:53.58 | DWSR | i'm cheap (and havee a lot of badges) |
| 06:54.04 | Jerub | DWSR: sell the gem on the aj |
| 06:54.05 | Jerub | er ah |
| 06:55.09 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: anything else glaringly wrong? |
| 06:55.47 | DWSR | besides missing enchants. |
| 06:55.59 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/ |
| 06:56.04 | Adys | check out the last two particularly |
| 06:56.12 | ZorbaTHut | in general, going for socket bonuses is dubious |
| 06:56.23 | ZorbaTHut | it's not *as* dubious with rare gems, but it's highly dubious with epic gems |
| 06:56.28 | DWSR | adys: nice |
| 06:56.38 | Adys | make that the last three |
| 06:56.58 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: trying to cap expertise. |
| 06:57.11 | ZorbaTHut | your hand gem should almost certainly just be a +30stam, for example. |
| 06:57.14 | ZorbaTHut | expertise is also a bit questionable |
| 06:57.40 | ZorbaTHut | it's a good stat for warriors, and it's (probably) still much better than hit for death knights, but it's not *as* good because you still do spell damage and dot damage |
| 06:57.57 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: what do you reckon about expertise for druids? |
| 06:58.08 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i don't gem for it, but i do enchant for it a little and prefer gear with it on... |
| 06:58.11 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, oughta be a quite excellent stat, from what I know of druids |
| 06:58.22 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: yeah, but RS and FS are a hude part of my threat |
| 06:58.34 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, might be major, then |
| 06:58.39 | ZorbaTHut | that said, are you having trouble with threat? |
| 06:58.40 | DWSR | huge* |
| 06:58.43 | ZorbaTHut | 'cause if not, you don't really need it |
| 06:58.57 | DWSR | tbh, I can't tell that much |
| 06:59.00 | ZorbaTHut | I mean honestly you're at the point where you could do heroics without any gems or enchants |
| 06:59.14 | ZorbaTHut | so it comes down to "do you want to do progression raiding" |
| 06:59.15 | DWSR | also, I just changed some gear up again ,so I'm waiting to get a feel for it. |
| 06:59.19 | ZorbaTHut | if you do, you pretty much want to stack stam. |
| 06:59.26 | ZorbaTHut | get omen, it'll give you a precise threat readout. watch it during a boss. |
| 06:59.41 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, I was getting pretty close to threat capping a 7k DPS mage. |
| 06:59.43 | ZorbaTHut | if nobody's at 90% of your threat, you don't need more expertise, basically. |
| 06:59.56 | Adys | nevcairiel: ping |
| 07:00.04 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: At Ony10 P1, so *shrug* |
| 07:00.04 | ZorbaTHut | BTW the wrist enchant should be a high priority, wrist enchants are really good for some reason. |
| 07:00.07 | ZorbaTHut | oh and you're missing a belt buckle |
| 07:00.20 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I'm also missing an ilvl >226 belt. |
| 07:00.34 | DWSR | (I'm not pissing away mats on shit that I'm going to be replacing inside of a week). |
| 07:00.45 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: yeah, i figured as much. at this point i'm thinking about my druid as a 'bad dps class with massive stamina' and trying to increase dps output |
| 07:00.51 | ZorbaTHut | you may be surprised how long it takes to go for specific gear slots :P |
| 07:01.03 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: There's a frost badge waist. :P |
| 07:01.13 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, I can almost guarantee that expertise is going to be your best stat for threat |
| 07:01.30 | ZorbaTHut | the only real question is how good of a stat it is, it's relatively crummy for paladins, for example |
| 07:01.36 | ZorbaTHut | (while still being the best, I believe ;) ) |
| 07:01.40 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, ah, fair 'nuff |
| 07:02.03 | Jerub | yeah, waists are hard to upgrade. |
| 07:02.09 | Jerub | there are no 232 waists :( |
| 07:02.22 | Jerub | and i don't want to waste (haa) my frost badges on non-tier gear |
| 07:02.28 | Jerub | (after my cloak , which was a necessery upgrade) |
| 07:02.47 | Shadowed | Alt stuff will get pulled into EA once I stablize it more |
| 07:03.03 | Jerub | Shadowed: EA is yours? |
| 07:03.03 | Shadowed | since I already have the basic tech for claiming characters in. I just need to rewrite the backend to make it less query-evil |
| 07:03.05 | Shadowed | yes |
| 07:03.36 | Shadowed | Didn't you ask me this a few days ago? :P |
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| 07:04.13 | DWSR | I need a better cloak than the one I'm wearing, tbfh. |
| 07:04.16 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_090300.jpg |
| 07:04.17 | Adys | wow |
| 07:04.21 | Jerub | Shadowed: please make it useful for bears. |
| 07:04.32 | ZorbaTHut | adys, nice |
| 07:04.35 | Shadowed | In what way? |
| 07:04.39 | ZorbaTHut | looks like the only thing that's being rendered is fog |
| 07:04.43 | Shadowed | Bears are just kind of a pain in general, there's not really much I can do about that |
| 07:04.45 | Jerub | Shadowed: list bear HP |
| 07:04.56 | Shadowed | I'm not going to add more in-depth stuff like that |
| 07:05.04 | Shadowed | It makes maintenance a huge pain |
| 07:05.59 | Jerub | also, being able to have Dath'Remar urls without %27 in them would be nice. |
| 07:06.20 | Jerub | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Dath%27Remar/Brandi looks nasty. just having a _ would be nice. |
| 07:06.56 | Shadowed | That's more of a pain to parse |
| 07:07.00 | Shadowed | for no actual benefit |
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| 07:07.08 | DWSR | Jerub: Use a + |
| 07:07.14 | Shadowed | + is space |
| 07:07.38 | Shadowed | It shouldn't be converting ' into %27, but that's a very niche aesthetic, I'll deal with it later |
| 07:07.59 | DWSR | Ah, sorry. |
| 07:08.02 | DWSR | Just glossed over. |
| 07:08.28 | Shadowed | probably JAvascript that's making it %27 or something |
| 07:08.41 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_090704.jpg |
| 07:08.42 | Adys | orgrimmar |
| 07:10.36 | Jerub | Shadowed: i think it's firefox that's doing it, not your stuff. |
| 07:10.55 | Jerub | Shadowed: it says ' in the url in the titlebar, but copying the link out of the location bar puts %27 in. |
| 07:11.20 | Shadowed | That's because it originally was a %27, if you manually delete the ' and type out ' it shouldn't do that anymore |
| 07:11.28 | Jerub | i mean, it's not as bad as quickarmory.com that if you had a bookmark for www.qa.com/..Dath%7ERemar, it would redirect you to qa.com/..Dath%2527Remar |
| 07:11.32 | Jerub | because of an apache bug |
| 07:11.47 | Jerub | Shadowed: I typed the url in the titlebar. |
| 07:11.52 | Jerub | to begin with |
| 07:11.52 | Shadowed | weird |
| 07:11.59 | Shadowed | might be your version, hasn't done that for me |
| 07:12.06 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_090927.jpg |
| 07:12.08 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: so pro |
| 07:12.13 | Adys | im guiding myself with distract |
| 07:12.17 | Adys | i cant find shit otherside |
| 07:12.20 | Shadowed | What version of FF are you on? |
| 07:12.21 | Adys | otherwise even |
| 07:12.32 | Jerub | i'm not criticising your software mind you, this is just something i've found annoying on all websites because i'm on the dath'remar realm. |
| 07:12.43 | Jerub | 3.5.6 apparently. |
| 07:12.51 | Shadowed | No I agree with you, it's just a very minor aesthetic and I'd rather work on optimizing the server :P |
| 07:12.57 | Jerub | :P |
| 07:13.02 | Shadowed | I'm on 3.6 and manually typing the url doesn't cause that |
| 07:13.55 | WobWork | Jerub: well the solution is simple |
| 07:14.05 | WobWork | Jerub: move to a single name server =P |
| 07:14.11 | Jerub | WobWork: transfer me, and my whole guild to another server? |
| 07:14.15 | Jerub | i want one that's easy to spell. |
| 07:14.20 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: How about http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45550 for a belt? |
| 07:14.22 | Jerub | looks at bloodlust server names |
| 07:14.36 | WobWork | Jerub: that's all details |
| 07:14.39 | WobWork | I'm just the ideas man |
| 07:15.00 | WobWork | sigh. |
| 07:15.05 | WobWork | I'm purposefully breaking code |
| 07:15.12 | WobWork | to track down inheritance |
| 07:15.20 | Jerub | ah, Proudmore, Blackrock or Nagrand are winners there |
| 07:15.58 | Jerub | only Nagrand is technically oceanic. |
| 07:16.09 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed, Jerub: ' is a reserved character and must be percent encoded when sent to the server, your browser may choose to display it normally though |
| 07:16.27 | WobWork | Jerub: come to Proudmore |
| 07:16.31 | WobWork | er proudmoore |
| 07:16.39 | WobWork | Blackrock is ... uh... terrible |
| 07:16.51 | WobWork | wait. alliance or horde? |
| 07:17.12 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed, Jerub: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-2.2 |
| 07:17.40 | Jerub | horde |
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| 07:18.10 | WobWork | come to proudmoore |
| 07:18.16 | WobWork | it's awesome =) |
| 07:20.28 | Jerub | WobWork: but who cares, it's a realm transfer, you get faction transfer for free when you realm transfer don't you? |
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| 07:20.49 | Jerub | WobWork: i have uh.. 8 toons on dath, 3 above level 40. |
| 07:21.38 | DWSR | is 71 points in feral a good feral spec? |
| 07:21.41 | DWSR | for DPSing? |
| 07:21.45 | Jerub | DWSR: sometimes, depends. |
| 07:22.02 | Jerub | DWSR: a very popular feral spec gets OOC from the resto tree |
| 07:22.27 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_092121.jpg |
| 07:22.30 | Adys | grizzly hill |
| 07:22.30 | Adys | s |
| 07:22.43 | Jerub | DWSR: http://quickarmory.com/stats/?c=Druid#Feral%20Combat |
| 07:23.09 | Jerub | DWSR: is this for you or someone else? |
| 07:23.13 | DWSR | someone else. |
| 07:23.18 | DWSR | Who's doing like 700 DPS in H PoS |
| 07:23.36 | Jerub | DWSR: oh, right, feral dps is the hardest dps ever. tell that person to tank instead. |
| 07:23.47 | Jerub | which is the easiest tanking ever |
| 07:24.27 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_092300.jpg |
| 07:24.28 | Adys | omg |
| 07:24.31 | Adys | that is cool |
| 07:24.45 | DWSR | That does look really cool, actually. |
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| 07:25.05 | krka | worgen zone? |
| 07:25.09 | DWSR | no |
| 07:25.39 | DWSR | I just left a group for H PoS with a BM hunter doing 600 DPS and a cat druid doing 700 DPS. |
| 07:25.43 | DWSR | Am I an elitist? |
| 07:25.57 | Adys | krka: dragonblight |
| 07:25.58 | Adys | :P |
| 07:26.04 | Adys | under wine on current ptr |
| 07:26.05 | krka | DWSR: |
| 07:26.08 | Adys | texturing is broken |
| 07:26.21 | DWSR | krka |
| 07:26.22 | krka | no, people should do much much better when getting to PoS |
| 07:26.35 | krka | sorry i accidentaly enter |
| 07:26.55 | DWSR | The hunter had no fucking gear equipped. |
| 07:27.09 | DWSR | And was using defense shit. |
| 07:27.24 | krka | maybe it was tank hunter! |
| 07:27.30 | Jerub | DWSR: i stop and teach people how to play until they ragequit when that happens |
| 07:27.32 | DWSR | every 3 minutes. |
| 07:27.37 | WobWork | Jerub: you don't get a free faction transer |
| 07:27.38 | WobWork | transfer |
| 07:27.40 | DWSR | Jerub: I just left. |
| 07:27.43 | WobWork | I only wish we did |
| 07:27.49 | Jerub | DWSR: that way i don't get the debuff |
| 07:27.55 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_092530.jpg / http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_092639.jpg |
| 07:28.00 | Adys | still dragonblight (krka) |
| 07:28.04 | Jerub | has had dps feral druids ragequit out of things like 25voa |
| 07:28.19 | Jerub | i mean, how goddamn obvious, "I'M A FUCKING FERAL TANK, DON'T MANGLE" |
| 07:28.27 | Jerub | i said it really nicely. |
| 07:28.28 | WobWork | DWSR: no you're not, with dps like that, the healer would oom =P |
| 07:28.33 | DWSR | WobWork: He did. |
| 07:28.43 | DWSR | 2 trash pulls and he was oom and I was popping CDs to stay alive. |
| 07:28.50 | WobWork | yeah, not worth the effort |
| 07:29.15 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_092812.jpg |
| 07:29.25 | krka | Jerub: sorry for being a noob, but could you explain the mangle-issue? |
| 07:29.49 | Adys | krka: you dont have to apologize |
| 07:29.56 | Adys | we're used to it by now. |
| 07:30.00 | krka | thanks |
| 07:30.19 | WobWork | The Starveling Cat! The Starveling Cat! Why does it look at us like that? |
| 07:31.07 | Arrowmaster | Adys: is that dragonblight? |
| 07:31.08 | DWSR | Jerub: Feral tanks mangle already in their rotation |
| 07:31.10 | DWSR | err. |
| 07:31.12 | DWSR | krka: ^^ |
| 07:31.14 | Adys | Arrowmaster: yep |
| 07:31.15 | krka | are kitty mangles disruptive to a feral tank, or just unnecessary? |
| 07:31.22 | DWSR | krka: Unnecessary. |
| 07:31.48 | DWSR | Shadowed: How do I list an alt in EGr? |
| 07:31.56 | krka | right, but what if you have lots of energy and can't be arsed to run around and use mangle? :P |
| 07:31.57 | Shadowed | /eg config, you list a main |
| 07:32.09 | krka | or if your mangle is specced to be awesome |
| 07:32.22 | krka | err i meant shred |
| 07:32.25 | krka | obviously |
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| 07:32.54 | krka | it's one thing for bosses, but for trash it shouldn't really matter |
| 07:34.10 | DWSR | krka: How much trash is there in VoA? |
| 07:34.16 | DWSR | (Hint: "not much") |
| 07:34.41 | krka | never been to VoA |
| 07:35.18 | DWSR | ~Shadowed++ |
| 07:35.20 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_093410.jpg - anyone able to guess where I am? |
| 07:35.44 | krka | crystalsong? |
| 07:35.50 | krka | or whatever it's called |
| 07:36.00 | DWSR | for (int i = 0; for i != -1; i++) { ~Shadowed++; } |
| 07:36.18 | Adys | krka: sholazar |
| 07:36.23 | Adys | funny someone else said crystalsong |
| 07:36.28 | Shadowed | adys wtf did you do |
| 07:36.31 | Shadowed | stop hacking the game |
| 07:36.34 | Adys | I HAX |
| 07:36.45 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_093515.jpg - still sholazar |
| 07:37.06 | krka | ah that one was more obvious |
| 07:37.07 | Shadowed | Also, you can tell it's scholazar cause of the giant mountain peak and pylon |
| 07:37.33 | Adys | its not scholazar |
| 07:37.34 | Adys | its sholazar |
| 07:37.45 | Adys | and yeah Shadowed I know |
| 07:37.49 | Adys | but its still hard to picture |
| 07:37.50 | Shadowed | SCHOLAZAR |
| 07:38.46 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_093728.jpg |
| 07:38.50 | Adys | that's the forest of shadows |
| 07:38.59 | Adys | and it just got a thousand times creepier |
| 07:39.28 | Shadowed | Where's the Forest of Shadows again |
| 07:39.30 | Adys | wg |
| 07:40.01 | Arrowmaster | are you messing around in mapviewer? |
| 07:40.14 | Adys | no Arrowmaster |
| 07:40.18 | Adys | broken ptr build on wine/opengl |
| 07:41.27 | krka | do you atleast get better framerates? :( |
| 07:41.40 | krka | i could live without textures if it would mean awesome fps! |
| 07:41.40 | Adys | yeah Im capped at 200fps |
| 07:41.48 | Adys | krka, you cant see any npc |
| 07:41.49 | Adys | :P |
| 07:42.10 | krka | i can memorize where they are |
| 07:42.55 | Adys | uploaded some more pics of wg/icecrown |
| 07:44.47 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_094339.jpg - the ruins of the argent tournament. |
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| 07:46.02 | DWSR | wait wait. |
| 07:46.03 | DWSR | Ruins? |
| 07:46.22 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_094453.jpg - storm peaks, terrace of the makers |
| 07:47.11 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_094606.jpg - ulduar |
| 07:47.12 | zenzio | now that's what I call a storm |
| 07:48.08 | Adys | ill try old world a bit |
| 07:49.07 | zenzio | so what did I miss, is your WoW bugging? |
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| 07:49.49 | Adys | zenzio: yeah big time, ptr under opengl |
| 07:50.00 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_094831.jpg - exodar, interior |
| 07:50.39 | zenzio | you know, if that was an intentional effect, it would be pretty cool |
| 07:51.42 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_095031.jpg - the mighty stormwind, bastion of the alliance! |
| 07:52.13 | Taroven | Such amazing blacks! |
| 07:52.20 | Adys | look at that architecture! |
| 07:52.34 | krka | that looks more like IF tbh |
| 07:52.36 | zenzio | Adys: zoom in on that thing to the left! |
| 07:52.57 | Shadowed | ENHANCE OFF OF THE REFLECT |
| 07:52.59 | Shadowed | +ION |
| 07:53.16 | Adys | HOLD ON ILL ENHANCE THIS |
| 07:53.23 | DWSR | lol |
| 07:55.55 | DWSR | Shadowed: Are ratings stored automatically when the "show rating at the end of a dungeon?" option is on? |
| 07:56.13 | Shadowed | maybe, not sur |
| 07:56.16 | DWSR | (i.e. I don't have to hit save?) |
| 07:56.16 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_095434.jpg - elwynn |
| 07:57.06 | Shadowed | comments/ratings are already auto stored, you never had to hit save |
| 07:57.22 | Shadowed | I'm pretty sure there's not even a save button |
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| 07:58.54 | Zyonin | Good morning channel |
| 07:58.56 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_095728.jpg duskwood |
| 07:59.26 | Adys | on that note |
| 07:59.38 | Adys | maybe that screenshot shows how fucked up the wow trees are |
| 07:59.52 | krka | how do you mean? |
| 08:00.01 | Adys | those towers |
| 08:00.04 | Adys | they're tree trunks |
| 08:00.20 | KarlKFI | they just stop when the green textures start |
| 08:00.28 | KarlKFI | there' overlap so you dont notice much |
| 08:01.03 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_095935.jpg duskwood under rain :P |
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| 08:04.54 | Arathros | hmm |
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| 08:06.07 | Arathros | so how do ou get those pictures take place.. looks horrible |
| 08:06.52 | Adys | its funny |
| 08:06.59 | Adys | you can really see the difference between old and new world |
| 08:08.43 | Arathros | old and new? |
| 08:08.50 | Arathros | what you mean |
| 08:08.53 | Adys | northrend vs old world |
| 08:09.07 | Arathros | difference is sight range + flymod |
| 08:09.08 | Arathros | e |
| 08:09.16 | Adys | .. |
| 08:09.29 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_100752.jpg - deadwind pass, which for some reason decided to render groundfx |
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| 08:11.34 | Arathros | didnt know there was grass on a that rocky surface |
| 08:11.58 | Adys | its autogenerated by the client depending on ground properties |
| 08:12.10 | Adys | which means i can control how much grass there is on a grassy ground |
| 08:12.21 | DWSR | the irony/. |
| 08:12.24 | DWSR | I can do it too in real life. |
| 08:12.31 | mitch0 | lulz |
| 08:12.31 | DWSR | It's called a lawn mower |
| 08:12.49 | Adys | mine is called grndfxd |
| 08:13.31 | Adys | halp im trapped in deadwind =( |
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| 08:15.58 | DWSR | Just tanked H HoR. |
| 08:16.01 | DWSR | ezmode. |
| 08:16.35 | Arathros | maintenance atm ;P |
| 08:16.41 | Arathros | gonna be that untill i get back from meeting ;P |
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| 08:17.22 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_101505.jpg / http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_101531.jpg |
| 08:17.36 | Adys | Swamp of Awesome |
| 08:17.57 | Arathros | in the first one .. do you see the swrd infront of you lol |
| 08:18.43 | Adys | yes, flying sword & shield |
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| 08:18.49 | Adys | its a dragonkin |
| 08:19.24 | Wobin | ... |
| 08:19.24 | Wobin | http://www.kingofswords.com/Swords/Sword-Cane/Big-Bang-Hand-Grenade-Sword-Cane-335.html |
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| 08:21.00 | DWSR | Wobin: What. the. fuck.\ |
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| 08:21.25 | Cairenn | ^^ |
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| 08:22.00 | DWSR | Is that even legal in the US? |
| 08:22.40 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/ - all the shots; added blasted lands |
| 08:22.56 | DWSR | looks really cool |
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| 08:23.22 | Shadowed | Wobin that's awesome |
| 08:23.23 | Shadowed | I want one |
| 08:23.29 | DWSR | mhm |
| 08:23.35 | DWSR | Shadowed: I love EGr. |
| 08:23.39 | DWSR | It is so *win*., |
| 08:24.22 | Shadowed | thanks |
| 08:27.01 | DWSR | Is the "Warn when grouped with low-rated players" entirely dependant on the rating slider, or does it include their gear stats as well? |
| 08:27.12 | DWSR | (i.e. people who score like <60% on gear) |
| 08:28.26 | DWSR | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 08:29.59 | [Wobin] | Beyonce says: Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 08:32.00 | Arathros | lol |
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| 08:32.20 | Arathros | armor pene. and mp5 gets removed in kata |
| 08:35.59 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
| 08:36.58 | Maldivia | Morning |
| 08:37.26 | [Wobin] | http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/lohan_such_baby_jVdQWABj9z0MgXzCv1Nh1O |
| 08:37.29 | [Wobin] | ... |
| 08:39.04 | nevcairiel | Adys: pong |
| 08:39.58 | Adys | nevcairiel: got the ptr? |
| 08:40.03 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 08:40.11 | Adys | got it patched? |
| 08:40.25 | nevcairiel | unless there is a new patch today, then yes |
| 08:40.35 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/ |
| 08:40.38 | Adys | do you see the same as i? |
| 08:41.08 | nevcairiel | that looks kinda awesome |
| 08:41.22 | Adys | it does! |
| 08:41.27 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_090300.jpg |
| 08:41.35 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_092300.jpg |
| 08:41.43 | nevcairiel | not playable, but awesome |
| 08:41.46 | Adys | i cant stress how awesome those two are |
| 08:42.01 | Maldivia | well, with no textures, the fps should be good though :P |
| 08:42.09 | Adys | capped at 200 |
| 08:42.23 | Adys | with all details to max |
| 08:42.54 | Adys | though when i look at the ground it grinds my graphic card and goes to 10ish |
| 08:42.54 | krka | would be fun to have a switch to disable all terrain textures and just have it on characters |
| 08:43.12 | Adys | Kalroth: you check those out too! |
| 08:43.24 | Adys | krka: already looking into a solution |
| 08:43.32 | Adys | i totally want to be able to do this for cata |
| 08:47.54 | nevcairiel | i cant get that to happen :( |
| 08:48.42 | nevcairiel | looks fine for me |
| 08:49.56 | Adys | nevcairiel: hm |
| 08:50.03 | Adys | can you try lower texture settings? |
| 08:50.24 | nevcairiel | it just frooze when i hearted to dalaran .. sec :P |
| 08:50.35 | nevcairiel | *hearthed |
| 08:50.39 | Adys | oh |
| 08:50.40 | Adys | yeah |
| 08:50.44 | Adys | set texture resolution to min |
| 08:51.06 | nevcairiel | thats a really low minimum :P |
| 08:51.20 | Adys | its pretteh! |
| 08:52.33 | nevcairiel | hm in dalaran its all black, i need to go outside |
| 08:53.22 | nevcairiel | heh this is awesome |
| 08:53.42 | nevcairiel | like a really dark night with alot of mist |
| 08:54.00 | zenzio | Darkshore in the sky |
| 08:54.01 | Adys | try dragonblight |
| 08:54.04 | Adys | its absolutely awesome |
| 08:57.16 | nevcairiel | and i thought its a wine thing, but happens on windows as well |
| 08:57.20 | nevcairiel | at least with the opengl renderer |
| 09:07.53 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:13.00 | Adys | nevcairiel: figured as much |
| 09:13.16 | Adys | there was no reason for wine-opengl to die |
| 09:13.25 | Adys | particularly after a minor content patch |
| 09:18.44 | Shadowed | welp |
| 09:18.54 | Shadowed | time to wait like 8 months for White Collar :( |
| 09:19.26 | Fisker | slaps Shadowed around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:19.29 | Fisker | sup Shadowed |
| 09:19.39 | Shadowed | Fisker I slap hard enough that you leave the channel |
| 09:20.21 | Fisker | you don't |
| 09:20.39 | Fisker | also, problem officer? |
| 09:21.56 | Shadowed | huh? |
| 09:33.57 | frontendloader | gah mail is so lagged |
| 09:34.09 | frontendloader | taking me ~2sec per mail :( |
| 09:34.50 | DWSR | Shadowed |
| 09:35.00 | DWSR | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Emerald%20Dream/Arelin <-- Not showing that I have my waist with a belt-buckle. |
| 09:36.01 | Shadowed | Uh? |
| 09:36.10 | Shadowed | Why would it, you have a gem in it |
| 09:38.34 | DWSR | Yes... the belt doesn't naturally have a socket in it. |
| 09:38.56 | Shadowed | Doesn't matter |
| 09:39.23 | Shadowed | It needs to check if they don't have a belt buckle, but there's no point in saying the item has a belt buckle if they have it gemmed |
| 09:39.34 | Shadowed | It's redundant information |
| 09:40.11 | DWSR | Shadowed: atm, it looks like my waist is unenchanted. |
| 09:40.17 | DWSR | which, it isn't. |
| 09:40.31 | Shadowed | ... ? |
| 09:40.35 | Shadowed | no... |
| 09:40.40 | Shadowed | your chest is unenchanted |
| 09:41.20 | DWSR | (I know how to read this properly, I'm pointing this out from an "average player" standpoint). |
| 09:42.00 | DWSR | someone's going to look at that and say "Doesn't have a belt buckle in his waist" |
| 09:42.00 | Shadowed | The average player wants a Gearscore too |
| 09:42.10 | DWSR | Yes, and we want to move them away from that. |
| 09:42.40 | Shadowed | Belt buckle is redundant information, it's not going to be added unless I get actual complaints about it, which I doubt I will |
| 09:43.26 | zenzio | belts are pretty useless without buckles; they just hang there limply then |
| 09:43.26 | DWSR | Shadowed: btw, I'll probably set up as a 3rd party node. |
| 09:43.52 | Shadowed | zenzio what if the pants have elastic |
| 09:44.04 | zenzio | then I'd question his sexuality |
| 09:44.13 | DWSR | lol |
| 09:44.14 | Shadowed | fair enough |
| 09:44.24 | Fisker | slaps zenzio around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:44.26 | dagmar | A ghi belt doesn't have a buckle |
| 09:44.40 | dagmar | Although I think those are just supposed to be menacing. |
| 09:44.51 | Shadowed | What if they use an extension caple as a belt zenzio |
| 09:44.53 | Shadowed | don't need a buckle then |
| 09:45.00 | zenzio | in that case it's okay |
| 09:45.12 | DWSR | Shadowed: Does signing up let us set mains? |
| 09:45.15 | Shadowed | cable even, can't spell |
| 09:45.16 | DWSR | on EAr? |
| 09:45.18 | Shadowed | no, not yet |
| 09:45.26 | Shadowed | What if you take a belt and tie it as you would an extension cable. Where do you draw the line zenzio |
| 09:45.55 | dagmar | Haha |
| 09:46.02 | zenzio | the belts I use are too hard to tie together. If you have a softer one, by all means tie it up |
| 09:46.06 | dagmar | Probably at the third or fourth whole chicken |
| 09:46.18 | Shadowed | Superglew |
| 09:46.36 | DWSR | Shadowed: Also, can't sign up for an account right now? |
| 09:46.37 | Shadowed | glew what |
| 09:46.39 | Shadowed | I need to sleep apparently |
| 09:46.42 | DWSR | lol |
| 09:46.44 | DWSR | glew rofl |
| 09:48.00 | DWSR | gah |
| 09:48.14 | DWSR | I want to see better character customization in Cata. |
| 09:48.25 | DWSR | Like, choose from different run styles, weapon holds, etc. |
| 09:49.02 | DWSR | Like, I wouldn't mind a Nelf run style with a little less arm movement. |
| 09:49.18 | DWSR | It looks like she's trying to do the front crawl while walking. |
| 09:49.46 | Fisker | slaps DWSR around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:49.53 | DWSR | die Fisker |
| 09:51.26 | Arathros | i need less stress at school ;P |
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| 10:17.31 | DWSR | http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/bluetooth-access-point-brings-text-messaging-voice-messaging-e/ |
| 10:23.20 | DWSR | I was told that no one in the company, from janitorial staff to Mike Morhaime, is allowed to have any sort of direct in-game benefits on live realms, such as free gold, gear, etc. <-- Bullshit |
| 10:24.45 | Shirik | hm |
| 10:24.58 | Shirik | I have determined that USB devices do not work very well when plugged into an HDMI port |
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| 10:25.08 | zenzio | grats |
| 10:25.13 | nevcairiel | most of them have simple accounts for playing, and on those they cant reveal that they are blizz employees, and dont have benefits from it |
| 10:25.16 | nevcairiel | Shirik: that even fits? |
| 10:25.22 | nevcairiel | usb seems bigger |
| 10:25.23 | zenzio | with sufficient force, probably |
| 10:25.35 | Shirik | it fits sufficiently that I didn't notice it was wrong until I tried to figure out why my hard drive wasn't showing up |
| 10:25.40 | Shirik | maybe it wasn't HDMI, I can't see, one sec |
| 10:25.50 | zenzio | while it's easier, I was still amused when a computer-literate friend of mine managed to jam a RAM brick in the wrong way |
| 10:26.00 | zenzio | FireWire? |
| 10:26.03 | Shirik | definitely HDMI |
| 10:26.44 | nevcairiel | that sounds like it would break the hdmi port |
| 10:26.52 | nevcairiel | or the usb cable |
| 10:26.54 | Torhal | Shirik: The problem is, your hard drive has inferior audio/vidio output. |
| 10:26.56 | nevcairiel | depending which was stronger |
| 10:28.48 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I still call bullshit. |
| 10:28.51 | Gagorian | It's probably possible indeed to shove an USB into a HDMI port based on the shape, but not the other way around |
| 10:29.00 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I'm not saying that these guys are conjuring up ilvl 277 gear or anything |
| 10:29.15 | Gagorian | HDMI is a bit wider than USB |
| 10:29.37 | nevcairiel | GMs are not even allowed to fix their own problems if it happens on their playing char, they have to wait for a GM on duty to do it |
| 10:31.49 | DWSR | nevcairiel: You can't get GM powers outside of a Blizzard office, can you? |
| 10:32.42 | frontendloader | they only get to fart around on the PTR/Beta |
| 10:33.29 | DWSR | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23425771701&sid=1&pageNo=5#91 <--- rofl. Warlock's porting in the Z axis needs to go in arena? |
| 10:34.01 | Fisker | i could just kill you DWSR |
| 10:34.08 | DWSR | ~epic fail Fisker |
| 10:34.09 | purl | Fisker, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Fisker, you are that epic failure. |
| 10:34.57 | Fisker | ~epic fail DWSR |
| 10:34.58 | purl | DWSR, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you DWSR, you are that epic failure. |
| 10:35.15 | frontendloader | ~stfu |
| 10:35.16 | purl | :( |
| 10:35.23 | DWSR | ~botsnack |
| 10:35.23 | purl | DWSR: :) |
| 10:35.36 | DWSR | Honestly, I fucking lol at people bitching about Demonic Circle. |
| 10:35.55 | DWSR | ZOMG, THE WARLOCK CAN PORT |
| 10:36.05 | DWSR | IT'S LIKE MAGE BLINK, BUT MORE OVERPOWERED. |
| 10:37.58 | DWSR | Guess they haven't noticed the fact that we can't ice block, or polymorph yet. |
| 10:41.10 | phyber | it's so hard to know where they will end up when they port too. |
| 10:41.12 | Torhal | DWSR: They'd shit cinderblocks if Warlocks went back to the Beta armor - leather. |
| 10:41.15 | phyber | if only there was a giant circle telling them |
| 10:41.36 | DWSR | Torhal: Could you imagine warlocks wearing leather. |
| 10:41.45 | DWSR | Would have never needed to level my death knight to tank. |
| 10:41.48 | Torhal | Heh |
| 10:41.53 | DWSR | Hai |
| 10:42.04 | DWSR | I have have 45% damage mitigation before armor. |
| 10:42.09 | DWSR | That includes magical damage. |
| 10:42.26 | dagmar | You let people touch you? |
| 10:42.34 | theorbtwo | DWSR: Er, yes, I can. You'd need to give warlocks spells that give long-term buffs that overcome their lack of armor. |
| 10:42.37 | DWSR | dagmar: If I were tanking, yeah, probably. |
| 10:42.43 | DWSR | theorbtwo: Not really. |
| 10:42.52 | dagmar | Tanking is for people who can't fear juggle |
| 10:43.11 | DWSR | dagmar: Or when you're dealing with stuff that's fear-immune, like EVERY FUCKING MOB THIS EXPANSION? |
| 10:43.24 | DWSR | (Sorry, a little peeved at the fact that I couldn't CC shit when I was leveling). |
| 10:44.30 | dagmar | I dunno. I just soloed Overlord at 63. |
| 10:44.37 | dagmar | Which takes bloody AGES |
| 10:44.48 | nevcairiel | when warlocks were still wearing leather, they didnt have the other shields and stuff =P |
| 10:44.59 | dagmar | You know what the *sad* thing is? |
| 10:45.12 | dagmar | I hit 63 and remembered about the trainer. |
| 10:45.22 | dagmar | ...who I hadn't seen since I was 58. |
| 10:45.55 | DWSR | dagmar: Meh, you're only missing 2 sets of spells. |
| 10:46.05 | DWSR | You weren't actually missing that much, tbh. |
| 10:46.09 | DWSR | Except SoC, i think. |
| 10:46.15 | dagmar | Actually, a curse, a new armor, and thirteen miscellaneous upgrades |
| 10:46.15 | DWSR | No wait, that's 70 |
| 10:46.22 | DWSR | New Armor? |
| 10:46.26 | dagmar | Fel Armor |
| 10:46.28 | DWSR | Oh yeah, that's right, you get Fel Armor. |
| 10:46.30 | nevcairiel | yeah there was the lvl 60 thing in there, that gets you alot of stuff |
| 10:46.34 | dagmar | I hadn't picked up my 60 spells at all |
| 10:46.37 | frontendloader | warlock lether makes sense |
| 10:47.01 | DWSR | frontendloader: They said that they're going to try and rebalance the armor in Cata. |
| 10:47.11 | DWSR | So that plate doesn't provide so much mitigation compared to cloth |
| 10:47.23 | frontendloader | right now you've got priest/mage/lock all going after cloth, and some other asshole classes gunning for it too |
| 10:47.36 | dagmar | They're usually squishy |
| 10:47.45 | nevcairiel | so instead, make warlock an asshole class that goes for leather and cloth? |
| 10:47.46 | nevcairiel | right :P |
| 10:47.59 | frontendloader | they need to get at least two classes on each class/type of armor |
| 10:48.13 | frontendloader | so that spellpower plate doesn't go through the shard factory the second time it drops |
| 10:48.27 | frontendloader | same with spell/dps leather |
| 10:48.39 | nevcairiel | there wont be spell-dps leather anymore |
| 10:48.45 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 10:48.46 | frontendloader | and healing/mail |
| 10:48.56 | dagmar | You say this, and forget that shaman used to get _real_ pissy about Hunters drooling over their gear |
| 10:49.02 | nevcairiel | there will just be spell leather, which is shared by healers and dps, same for mail |
| 10:49.10 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 10:49.22 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I'm not happy about the further homogenization of cloth gear, though |
| 10:49.27 | DWSR | It's fucking awful as it is. |
| 10:49.35 | frontendloader | spell leather/mail is still a 1-class nihce |
| 10:49.39 | frontendloader | niche* |
| 10:49.55 | nevcairiel | as is healing cloth gear |
| 10:49.58 | nevcairiel | but what can you do |
| 10:50.20 | DWSR | and dps cloth gear is shared by 2 pure dps classes and 1 spec from another class. |
| 10:50.24 | DWSR | Fucking rediculous, imo. |
| 10:50.29 | DWSR | Bump warlocks to spell leather. |
| 10:50.44 | dagmar | Just add an "Evil" stat |
| 10:50.47 | DWSR | Mastery ought to make things a little better. |
| 10:50.48 | nevcairiel | then they would need spell-dps leather that isnt even supposed to exist |
| 10:50.52 | DWSR | Since you won't get quit so much |
| 10:51.06 | DWSR | nevcairiel: No, why would it? |
| 10:51.22 | DWSR | nevcairiel: we're getting all the hit we need from mastery, and crit/haste from it as well. |
| 10:51.28 | nevcairiel | so you think |
| 10:51.37 | DWSR | nevcairiel: So we've going to be exactly the same as lazer chickens for the stats we need. |
| 10:51.55 | nevcairiel | what makes you think you get all those stats from mastery? |
| 10:51.58 | nevcairiel | you misunderstand the system |
| 10:52.26 | DWSR | nevcairiel: How is it supposed to work, then? |
| 10:52.37 | nevcairiel | you read the mastery threads, yes? |
| 10:52.43 | DWSR | mhm |
| 10:52.51 | nevcairiel | there are 3 bonuses, the first will be a flat dmg increase, probably |
| 10:53.13 | DWSR | Next will be hit. |
| 10:53.20 | nevcairiel | the second is pretty much tree-dependant, and gives you whatever is good for that tree |
| 10:53.31 | nevcairiel | usually replacing a must-have talent in that tree |
| 10:53.38 | DWSR | nevcairiel: spell hit's being removed in cata. |
| 10:53.43 | DWSR | nevcairiel: We're getting it via mastery. |
| 10:53.43 | nevcairiel | its not |
| 10:53.49 | nevcairiel | read the threads <-< |
| 10:53.52 | DWSR | I swear to god I read something that said it was. |
| 10:53.55 | nevcairiel | hit is not being removed |
| 10:54.02 | DWSR | as a stat from gear* |
| 10:54.05 | [Wobin] | http://www.mylifeistwilight.com/ |
| 10:54.05 | nevcairiel | hit is being redesigned to scale with mob levels |
| 10:54.22 | nevcairiel | you need more hit for more high-level encounters |
| 10:54.24 | frontendloader | is pvp hit vs. a char of equal level going to be 100%? |
| 10:54.31 | nevcairiel | they cant give you all that from talents |
| 10:54.41 | DWSR | Wobin, I hate you |
| 10:54.52 | DWSR | frontendloader: Probably not. |
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| 10:54.59 | [Wobin] | DWSR, Begin frothing =) |
| 10:55.07 | nevcairiel | you always need some hit for pvp, but usally not as much |
| 10:55.14 | nevcairiel | probably about the same as today |
| 10:55.24 | DWSR | 6% is like 2 items. |
| 10:55.34 | DWSR | maybe 3 |
| 10:55.40 | nevcairiel | the big change is that there wont be a hard hit cap anymore |
| 10:55.59 | nevcairiel | speaking in wotlk terms, naxxramas might need 15% hit, and icc heroic might need 25% |
| 10:56.04 | nevcairiel | just random values out of my ass |
| 10:56.48 | DWSR | http://is.gd/a7fnp |
| 10:57.22 | DWSR | so much fail |
| 10:57.58 | nevcairiel | even if there wasnt a wii controller like that, you don't leave a loaded gun around for a 3 year old to find |
| 10:58.05 | nevcairiel | but hey, its america, guns are a-okay! |
| 10:58.15 | nevcairiel | vomits |
| 10:58.29 | [Wobin] | DWSR, eh |
| 10:58.30 | [Wobin] | wtf? |
| 10:58.35 | [Wobin] | why was the damn thing loaded |
| 10:58.44 | DWSR | beingo |
| 10:58.47 | DWSR | bingo* |
| 10:58.50 | nevcairiel | [Wobin]: because its america, you never know when you need to shoot some intruder, hmkay? |
| 10:59.06 | [Wobin] | I thought it was against the law to keep it loaded |
| 10:59.13 | [Wobin] | but then again, I dunno =( |
| 10:59.32 | [Wobin] | there's supposed to be a gun safe and a lock that cannot be opened by children and the ammo in a different location or something like that |
| 11:00.32 | [Wobin] | ... the mother was a few feet away from the child, with a loaded gun nearby... |
| 11:00.56 | zenzio | kids these days need discipline. "Go clean your rooms or I bust your knee-caps" |
| 11:01.37 | Fisker | win |
| 11:01.39 | DWSR | Wobin: This is America. |
| 11:01.54 | DWSR | a) Most laws are different, depending on what state you're in. |
| 11:01.59 | Fisker | The browser choice update for Windows 7 is deselected by standard |
| 11:02.00 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 11:02.09 | DWSR | b) So what if it's illegal? Obviously he's fucking retarded. |
| 11:02.20 | DWSR | Common sense should tell you that that's a bad idea. |
| 11:03.00 | Fisker | duh [Wobin] |
| 11:03.04 | Fisker | that's only in sensible countries |
| 11:03.10 | Arrowmaster | you dont even want to know how much trouble i would have to go through if i wanted to get to the 12guage shells in the basement |
| 11:03.55 | [Wobin] | Arrowmaster, "down a flight of stairs"? =) |
| 11:04.04 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 11:04.33 | [Wobin] | Crossing a huge chasm after answering three questions from the gatekeeper? |
| 11:05.19 | Arrowmaster | they are in the old coal storage under the porch which has quite a bit of stuff blocking the entrance currently |
| 11:05.54 | [Wobin] | Well it's a good thing you don't need them to play the Wii |
| 11:06.11 | Arrowmaster | well they are also so old i wouldnt feel safe ever using them |
| 11:06.56 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: What is your favourite colour? |
| 11:07.10 | Arrowmaster | black |
| 11:07.26 | DWSR | ~epic fail Arrowmaster |
| 11:07.27 | purl | Arrowmaster, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Arrowmaster, you are that epic failure. |
| 11:07.53 | KarlKFI | blue⦠no yelllooooooooooow |
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| 11:08.09 | Cide | black like my desperate and lonely soul |
| 11:08.15 | DWSR | KarlKFI Win |
| 11:08.43 | Cide | where's that from? |
| 11:08.55 | krka | so many fails on so many levels with that gun incident |
| 11:09.01 | Arrowmaster | monty python... |
| 11:09.03 | krka | poor kid, stupid parents |
| 11:09.22 | DWSR | Cide: The <[Wobin]>Crossing a huge chasm after answering three questions from the gatekeeper? + <DWSR>Arrowmaster: What is your favourite colour? is a Monty Python and the Holy Grail reference. |
| 11:09.35 | Cide | yeah |
| 11:09.37 | DWSR | krka: I'm assuming that dead baby jokes are probably inappropriate atm? |
| 11:09.38 | Cide | I fail at monty python references |
| 11:09.54 | Cide | two weeks ago I went "who's that guy again? -john cleese... oh." |
| 11:09.54 | DWSR | Cide: What is the air speed velocity of an unlaiden swallow?\ |
| 11:10.00 | Corrodias | dead baby jokes, yes. dead toddler jokes, extra appropriate!@ |
| 11:10.16 | Arrowmaster | has heard the entire script to holy grail quoted from memory |
| 11:10.32 | DWSR | can probably quote the entire script to holy grail from memory. |
| 11:12.41 | DWSR | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/26/23710580906-blizzard-is-stupid-retarded.html <-- Sweet sweet tears. |
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| 11:29.06 | Shadowed | The internet is a finky mistress today |
| 11:30.44 | Shadowed | and I need to go sleep before I mangle more words |
| 11:30.59 | DWSR | Shadowed: Don't feel bad. |
| 11:31.01 | DWSR | I'm not going to sleep. |
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| 11:36.42 | DWSR | Shadowed: btw, EGr shows http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49495 as an unknown type weapon |
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| 11:39.15 | Fisker | slaps Shadowed around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:39.20 | Fisker | fix buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugs |
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| 11:49.03 | Fisker | k Shadowed |
| 11:49.15 | Fisker | prepare to be boarded |
| 11:51.25 | DWSR | anally? |
| 11:52.55 | Fisker | i haven't thought of that DWSR |
| 11:53.29 | DWSR | bad troll is bad |
| 11:57.20 | bleeter | if you're up late, why not watch YouTube close down for the night? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgsixMZ1hqw |
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| 11:59.51 | DWSR | lol bleeter |
| 12:01.35 | Kaso | thats awesome |
| 12:01.51 | Kaso | makes me all nostalgic |
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| 12:04.39 | bleeter | went to post it to the WoW customer support forums, my accounts have expired lol |
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| 12:23.28 | DWSR | holy. |
| 12:23.33 | DWSR | I didn't get an instant queue pop. |
| 12:23.40 | DWSR | ah, there we go. |
| 12:23.47 | DWSR | 15 seconds longer than ususal. |
| 12:23.49 | DWSR | usual* |
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| 13:15.00 | Kaso | being a tank is awesome |
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| 13:31.14 | DWSR | Yes it is. |
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| 13:42.24 | nevcairiel | today is chuck norris birthday, go celebrate! |
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| 13:47.37 | Arathros | lol |
| 13:48.01 | zenzio | one does not simply lol at Chuck Norris |
| 13:49.29 | nevcairiel | that poor fella is 70 already |
| 13:49.48 | Fisker | unloads 10 tons of fu on nevcairiel |
| 13:50.37 | [Wobin] | wow 70 |
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| 13:50.47 | [Wobin] | he doesn't look a day over "Goddamn Fucking Awesome" |
| 13:50.47 | nevcairiel | he is close to max level |
| 13:51.02 | zenzio | that's thanks to the Total Gym |
| 13:51.15 | [Wobin] | ~zenzio++ |
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| 13:59.08 | Cide | but what's his power level? |
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| 14:03.49 | Fisker | i'm killing you Cide |
| 14:03.50 | Fisker | sorry |
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| 14:26.51 | amro | you need to oil up first Fisker |
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| 15:32.01 | Ackis | hahah |
| 15:32.01 | Ackis | http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/CanadaAckis/avatar-body.png |
| 15:32.23 | Ackis | doesn't my avatar look sexy/ |
| 15:32.29 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 15:32.43 | Ackis | I won the horse head on twitter lol |
| 15:32.50 | Ackis | and got the sherlock holmes outfit yesterday |
| 15:32.58 | Ackis | so I'm like sherlock horse |
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| 15:33.24 | nicoli_s | hahah thats awesome |
| 15:39.51 | Ackis | Bibi/Adys: it's Chuck Norris' birthday today! Feature http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/cnf.aspx / http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10003-ChuckNorrisFacts.html on mmo-champ! |
| 15:40.21 | nicoli_s | ackis: what a fun fact |
| 15:42.42 | Ackis | just you wait nicoli_s! Sherlock Horse is getting to the bottom of this! |
| 15:44.17 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 15:45.26 | nicoli_s | i cant wait till i get a new unbanned xbox |
| 15:45.38 | Ackis | Get one of the 250 gig ones |
| 15:45.51 | Ackis | there was a MW2, Forza 3 and FFXIIIIIIIIIIIIIII one iirc |
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| 16:01.36 | Ackis | Ok Sherlock Horse will live forever, even if I change my avatar: http://i40.tinypic.com/acsf9t.jpg |
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| 16:10.53 | Fisker | noone cares Ackis |
| 16:10.58 | Ackis | lies |
| 16:11.04 | Ackis | nicoli_s cares! |
| 16:11.12 | Lopeppeppy | I love sherlock holmes. |
| 16:11.22 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: it's Sherlock Horse! |
| 16:13.17 | nicoli_s | Ackis: my gf cares and thinks its hilarious |
| 16:13.28 | Ackis | see Fisker! Two people! |
| 16:26.59 | Lopeppeppy | Hee hee hee |
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| 16:46.15 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:46.17 | cog|work | ohai |
| 16:46.32 | Lopeppeppy | Heya. |
| 16:46.33 | Lunessa | congratulations cog. |
| 16:46.38 | cog|work | =) |
| 16:49.04 | Cairenn | what are we congratulating cog on? |
| 16:49.10 | cog|work | 3rd 80 |
| 16:49.13 | cog|work | i'm assuming |
| 16:49.23 | Cairenn | ah ha |
| 16:50.20 | nicoli_s | man i never even got past 45 |
| 16:50.38 | cog|work | nicoli_s: this is actually extremely odd for me |
| 16:51.03 | cog|work | when i got my rogue to 80 a few weeks ago it was the first time I've had two characters at max level since classic |
| 16:51.31 | cog|work | (and it took me 11 months to get my first 60) |
| 16:52.26 | Ackis | cog|work: play my toon form e!!! |
| 16:53.28 | Fisker | cog|work did you complete that quest from yourself |
| 16:53.29 | Fisker | ? |
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| 17:03.57 | Lunessa | I have 6 level 80s and a bunch of 60+, but lately I haven't musch felt like leveling. |
| 17:04.31 | mikma | i'd love to level my lvl72 rogue, but missing friends to play with |
| 17:04.42 | mikma | so, i'm not paying the subsc |
| 17:05.31 | Lopeppeppy | I want a bionic hand for St. Patrick's Day. |
| 17:06.58 | Lunessa | So you can make that cool noise from the TV show? |
| 17:07.14 | Lunessa | mikma: EU? |
| 17:07.18 | mikma | lunessa: eu. |
| 17:07.23 | Lunessa | Sorry man. |
| 17:07.40 | mikma | wife migrated her main (druid) to another server and changed faction |
| 17:07.54 | mikma | meh, doesn't matter to me tho |
| 17:08.09 | Lunessa | I'd invite you to join us, but we're US. :( |
| 17:08.43 | Seerah | :( |
| 17:08.53 | mikma | all the cool guys play in eu! just ask jnwhiteh |
| 17:09.41 | Lopeppeppy | But the **lucky** guys have me and Seerah in their guild. :) |
| 17:11.55 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/03/pew_pew_raygun_jesus_fish_car.php |
| 17:14.18 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/03/thats_gross_paint_by_numbers_t.php |
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| 17:17.35 | Ackis | I just tried to picture Lopeppeppy saying "hai guyz imma gurl can i has free stuff" and it didn't work out :P |
| 17:17.56 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause I don't! |
| 17:18.21 | Duman | lol |
| 17:18.48 | Lunessa | Yeah, she totally doesn't. She asked me to get a lower level alt out to quest with her instead of my using an 80. |
| 17:19.01 | Lopeppeppy | Companionship good! |
| 17:19.08 | Ackis | I know she doesn't :P |
| 17:19.14 | Ackis | hence why I couldn't picture it |
| 17:19.51 | Lopeppeppy | I think I would be much more of a "classic siren" about such things, versus a modern tramp. A siren accept gifts graciously, a tramp steals your wallet. :) |
| 17:19.57 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy gets boosted through SM and afterwards just take all the loot and leaves |
| 17:21.05 | Lopeppeppy | I remember once being mortified that I couldn't DE something on a group run, my skill wasn't as high as I thought. I hung onto it for days and power leveled until I got to where I could DE it and send it to the guild bank. |
| 17:22.15 | Fisker | Name of the guild in question being "Lopeppeppy inc." |
| 17:23.10 | Lopeppeppy | No, Peppy's Personal Powerleveling Providers is the guildname. Peqod for short. *innocent* |
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| 17:59.57 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, isn't that PPPP? |
| 18:00.22 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. P-quad. |
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| 18:02.21 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:02.22 | Shirik | I get it now |
| 18:03.36 | Lopeppeppy | I was being very clever. |
| 18:05.28 | Adys | shirik |
| 18:05.28 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/ |
| 18:08.46 | nicoli_s | whats that adys? |
| 18:10.19 | mikma | looks like cataclysm |
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| 18:10.37 | mikma | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/WoWScrnShot_031010_100955.jpg <- kara! |
| 18:11.15 | mikma | ok, it's not cataclysm, it's just adys' fucked up gfx card |
| 18:12.09 | Adys | its not either |
| 18:12.27 | Adys | its wow latest ptr build thats fucked up under opengl and low res textures |
| 18:12.30 | nicoli_s | lol |
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| 18:21.01 | Lopeppeppy | hi hi, alestane. |
| 18:21.28 | alestane | heyhey |
| 18:22.05 | alestane | Grading Adobe Director assignments and listening to another teacher explaining Good Will Hunting in terms of the Hero's Journey. |
| 18:24.27 | foxlit | !api ExpansionLevel |
| 18:24.29 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'ExpansionLevel': GetAccountExpansionLevel, GetExpansionLevel |
| 18:24.52 | mikma | gotta <3 GetAccountExpansionLevel |
| 18:25.07 | foxlit | No! GetExpansionLevel() is all the rage! |
| 18:25.10 | Lopeppeppy | Everything is a friggin' heroes journey. |
| 18:26.12 | Lunessa | alestane: That's why I hated literature and film classes in college - it wasn't enough to expose students to art - someone always had to fuck it up by deconstructing everything into tropes. |
| 18:26.22 | mikma | if prefix == "TNL?" and UnitLevel("player") < MAX_PLAYER_LEVEL_TABLE[GetAccountExpansionLevel()] then |
| 18:26.39 | mikma | sweet way of detecting what's the max level player can achieve |
| 18:26.48 | Shadowed | there's an easier one than MAX_PLAYER_LEVEL_TABLE |
| 18:26.55 | Shadowed | I want to say the constant is called MAX_PLAYER_LEVEL |
| 18:27.05 | alestane | Actually, Lunessa, he's explaining how it only maps to a fragment of the standard arc but remains an enjoyable movie none the less. |
| 18:27.30 | alestane | One of the challenges we're facing is trying to provide these people with storytelling tools without shackling them to the forms. |
| 18:28.51 | Lunessa | One must understand the rules to transcend them, but too often they pound you until you simply conform. My creative writing assignments and such were always better when we were given free reign. ' |
| 18:31.18 | alestane | The Hero's Journey should not be treated as a checklist, nor as an ideal template towards which your story should gravitate. But it is a vital tool in understanding the storytelling process and developing compelling narrative. |
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| 18:34.51 | alestane | And I'm afraid that it's not, at least in my experience, enough simply to expose students to art in the hopes that some of it will rub off. |
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| 18:37.28 | Shadowed | Lunessa: Honestly, the majority of stories follow the same basic template |
| 18:37.42 | Shadowed | if you expect creativity at that level, you'll probably be disappointed more often than not :p |
| 18:37.51 | Shadowed | s/probably // |
| 18:38.31 | Lunessa | Shadowed: Most stories are the same as other stories. I know this. I'm a writer and an avid consumer of print and film. There is - quite literally - nothing new under the sun. |
| 18:38.38 | Shadowed | yea |
| 18:39.16 | Shadowed | Which is kind of disappointing, but hey, I still read everything I can get my hands on |
| 18:39.19 | cog|work | especially crime dramas... They use the same three or four stories over and over and over and over. it's all in the details |
| 18:39.21 | Lunessa | I'm just saying that too many times I felt like I was being bludgeoned to conform instead of instructed in the fundamentals. |
| 18:39.34 | Shadowed | yea I know what you mean |
| 18:39.41 | alestane | In fact, in my class before, one of the things I tried to do was illustrate all the ways in which the Hero's Journey can be put through the blender. |
| 18:39.58 | Lunessa | should know better than to rant in here. |
| 18:40.04 | Shadowed | Even in general English or writingsI've ran into the "You write it my way or get out" |
| 18:40.22 | Shadowed | goes and reads on what the Hero's Journey is exactly |
| 18:40.46 | Shadowed | Oh standard story line for fantasy books, alright |
| 18:41.00 | alestane | By no means is it restricted to fantasy storytelling. |
| 18:41.10 | Shadowed | Yea I just tend to read fantasy the most |
| 18:42.46 | Shadowed | So how successful were you in that alestane? :p |
| 18:42.53 | alestane | I do recall one novel, Lunessa, where they were holding up the contrast between the girl in class who knows perfectly how to parrot back to the teacher how many sentences comprise a paragraph and what prupose each one serves...and the one who's actually spent time writing. |
| 18:43.25 | Lopeppeppy | I prefer the method of grading found in the movie "Evolution". Everyone gets an A. |
| 18:44.12 | Shadowed | I propose a newer system, you now give A with a grade attached so nobody feels left out about not getting an A. You now have AA, AB, AC, AD, AF |
| 18:44.25 | Shadowed | no grade left behind |
| 18:44.46 | Lunessa | alestane: I'm published. Nothing fancy or anything - nothing as big as jnwhite, etc. But I've been in the trenches and I know that knowing the rules helps, but it doesn't make you a writer. :): |
| 18:45.51 | alestane | Lopeppeppy, I can't shake the feeling that there's a catch of some kind. |
| 18:47.12 | Lopeppeppy | No catch. Prof didn't care. |
| 18:47.51 | cog|work | A bottle of Head & Shoulders a day keeps the alien invaders away |
| 18:47.54 | Shadowed | hrm stupid auto join |
| 18:48.51 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: [...] Everyone gets an A. << Do they have to look under their seats? |
| 18:49.23 | alestane | I have been left with the feeling that I should be restructuring my grading as a sort of talent tree...once you have a total of at least 8 points combined in Photoshop and Illustrator, with at least 3 points in each, you can begin investing points into AfterEffects. |
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| 18:49.55 | Shadowed | Can they dual spec |
| 18:50.27 | alestane | We don |
| 18:50.37 | alestane | ...don't offer double majors yet, really. |
| 18:51.26 | alestane | But once they've completed a two-year multimedia program, they do qualify for the Digital Entertainment & Game Design hero class. |
| 18:51.52 | Seerah | lol |
| 18:53.06 | alestane | Actually, Jese Shell made a comment that there's a game design instructor in...Indianapolis, I think?... who's given up issuing stand grades in favor of granting experience points to his students. |
| 18:53.44 | Shadowed | hah, would have to be a game designer who would do that |
| 18:54.39 | Ackis | fuck... I lose 1 hour of my weekend this weekend right? |
| 18:54.46 | alestane | And he's getting better turn-in rates and a higher quality of work. |
| 18:54.48 | foxlit | What? |
| 18:54.54 | alestane | ~DST |
| 18:54.55 | purl | i heard dst is Daylight Savings Time. In US/Europe, clocks \"spring forward\" 1 hour at 0200 localtime on the FIRST Sunday in April. They \"fall back\" 1 hour at 0200 localtime on the LAST Sunday in October. Ask me about \"est\". |
| 18:54.55 | Shadowed | That's not surprising |
| 18:54.56 | foxlit | It's not the last sunday. Are you someplace weird? |
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| 18:55.15 | Shadowed | The grading system is pretty absurd |
| 18:55.24 | alestane | Does purl know about the changes a few years ago? |
| 18:55.36 | Shadowed | apparently not |
| 18:55.44 | Shadowed | since it starts the 14th |
| 18:56.07 | Ackis | tarting in 2007, most of the United States and Canada observe DST from the second Sunday in March to the first Sunday in November |
| 18:56.08 | foxlit | Meh, US. |
| 18:56.14 | Ackis | fuck the US gov't |
| 18:56.21 | foxlit | Boring, you. |
| 18:56.29 | alestane | O.M.G. My wife was tearing her hair out in 2007 trying to get their servers adjusted to the new rules. |
| 18:56.30 | Ackis | Saskatchewan and Arizona have it right |
| 18:56.35 | foxlit | "Since 1996 European Summer TIme has been observed from the last Sunday in March to the last Sunday in October;" |
| 18:56.43 | Fisker | hey Shadowed |
| 18:56.47 | Fisker | when u fix bugs? |
| 18:57.57 | Shadowed | When the sun burns out |
| 18:58.22 | foxlit | "alestane: O.M.G. My wife was tearing her hair out in 2007 trying to get their servers adjusted to the new rules." << also weird |
| 18:59.16 | alestane | And in fact, we still have an alarm clock which , thanks to auto-adjusting for DST, has to be reset FOUR times to accomodate the new system. |
| 18:59.25 | foxlit | Although perhaps not unexpected, since people don't keep standardized time around. |
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| 18:59.57 | Fisker | ok Shadowed |
| 19:00.05 | Shadowed | The best part of the DST change, was how the study they based it off of was 30 years old, and a new one showed it did nothing |
| 19:00.05 | Fisker | can i expect any support for your fix after that? |
| 19:00.09 | foxlit | My watch auto-adjusts daily (or, rather, it catches the atomic clock broadcast). |
| 19:00.11 | Shadowed | Fisker: Maybe |
| 19:00.31 | Ackis | http://blog.metalabdesign.com/post/437932602/metalab-goes-open-source |
| 19:00.36 | Fisker | i'm not sure how you could Shadowed |
| 19:03.39 | Shadowed | There's a CN ream named Poison-tipped Bone Spear? |
| 19:03.40 | Shadowed | what |
| 19:05.05 | Ackis | cool I got into the lego universe closed beta (nicoli_s) |
| 19:05.48 | alestane | Actually, Shadowed, I've seen claims citing that under modern power usage patterns, DST actually INCREASES our consumption. |
| 19:06.17 | Shadowed | US tax dollars at work |
| 19:06.33 | Lopeppeppy | New York State lawmakers are completely stupid. http://blog.timesunion.com/tablehopping/13889/assemblyman-seeking-to-ban-all-salt-in-restaurant-cooking/ |
| 19:06.47 | alestane | It made more sense when the principle driver of electrical use was electric light. |
| 19:06.52 | alestane | These days it's AC. |
| 19:06.59 | Shadowed | haha Lopeppeppy |
| 19:07.13 | Ackis | alestane: you assume too much, not everyone has AC |
| 19:07.39 | Lopeppeppy | Shadowed, my brain is going 'splodey. |
| 19:07.54 | Lunessa | Well, move to a modernized country Ackis. |
| 19:08.00 | Shadowed | Lopeppeppy: The trick is to not try and apply logic to lawmakers |
| 19:08.05 | Shadowed | you'll just injure yourself |
| 19:08.16 | Ackis | I R MODERN! |
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| 19:08.44 | Ackis | http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/article-1255187-088cc6e5000005dc-504_634x385.jpg can that be used in those chicken/bunny chocolate commercials? |
| 19:08.59 | alestane | Ackis, i also suspect that AC ownership and usage patterns are rather different in Alberta than, say, North Carolina. |
| 19:09.59 | Lopeppeppy | A great number of people are all about "no encumbents!" for the next election. OMG. |
| 19:10.05 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Yeah, I do like how even the proponent admits that he didn't really think it through and doesn't particularly know what he's talking about. |
| 19:10.11 | Shadowed | puppy eggs |
| 19:10.48 | Shadowed | I would like to think lawmakers reflect the intelligence of the populace who elected them |
| 19:12.40 | alestane | You'd like to think that, wouldn't you. |
| 19:12.50 | cog|work | wow... oldnews but this site is pretty ftw: http://www.khanacademy.org/ |
| 19:12.58 | Shadowed | That or you would like to think that I would like to think that |
| 19:13.09 | alestane | brb |
| 19:13.09 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: That article is a perfect example of why ignorance in legislators is maddening. |
| 19:13.15 | Seerah | Ackis: I want a beta invite... |
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| 19:14.27 | Ackis | Seerah: did you sign up? |
| 19:14.39 | Seerah | :( |
| 19:14.45 | Ackis | :( |
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| 19:16.08 | Seerah | Ackis: I didn't even know about the game |
| 19:16.22 | Ackis | *gasp* |
| 19:18.19 | Ackis | apparently I just signed a NDA |
| 19:18.30 | haste | and sold your soul! |
| 19:18.45 | Ackis | dude, it's Lego, they had my soul when I was like 2 |
| 19:19.07 | Seerah | hehe |
| 19:19.36 | alestane | Heh, when i went to Japan I had to buy myself a lego set for Christmas just to continue the tradition. |
| 19:19.46 | Ackis | wicked timing as well since I lose access to my xbox for a week or two |
| 19:20.46 | Seerah | we had to buy a new XBox last night. hubby came home with the new FF, popped it in, and started getting the RROD |
| 19:21.46 | Lunessa | :( |
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| 19:22.07 | Seerah | bought the arcade version and he transferred the HD |
| 19:22.16 | Seerah | sighs |
| 19:22.21 | Ackis | :( |
| 19:22.26 | Lunessa | I has no XBox or PS3. I haven't really seen anything on consoles that make me want to play them. |
| 19:22.34 | Ackis | I lose my xbox to the fiancee so she can play FFXIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII |
| 19:22.56 | Ackis | wow lego universe made me leave my civ 5 page |
| 19:22.57 | Ackis | amazing |
| 19:22.58 | Seerah | oh |
| 19:23.05 | Seerah | ! found the closed beta sign up :) |
| 19:23.14 | alestane | Currently, I am trying to decide if I want to spend the money myself on FFXIII, or if I will be satisfied watching the pretty pictures on my friend's setup. |
| 19:23.57 | alestane | I've been a die-hard FF player since the SNES, but all I've heard about the current one boils down to "It's really pretty and...um...well...it's relly pretty!: |
| 19:24.21 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/439048084 |
| 19:24.28 | Seerah | oh yeah.... Civ 5... that's gonna be dangerous for me.... |
| 19:24.31 | Lunessa | Final Fantasy - DO NOT WANT. |
| 19:24.37 | Lunessa | Civ 5 - DO WANT |
| 19:25.02 | Seerah | had to fight the urge not to start a gave of civ 4 the other day. was in the middle of cleaning my desk and came across it. If I started, I wouldn't have been able to stop |
| 19:25.13 | Seerah | that game used to make me skip classes in college |
| 19:25.22 | Seerah | (civ 2 or 3) |
| 19:25.29 | Ackis | civ 2 for me |
| 19:25.31 | alestane | Civ 5 looks very nice from what I've seen of screenshots, and the notion of playing on a hex grid seems like it needs exploration. |
| 19:25.34 | Ackis | I don't think civ 3 was out |
| 19:25.46 | Ackis | I like that they're redoing the roads in civ5 |
| 19:26.31 | Ackis | http://kotaku.com/5489814/civilization-v-preview-small-changes-big-differences |
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| 19:26.48 | Ackis | when I saw that it was coming out I told the fiancee it was nice knowing her |
| 19:27.02 | alestane | Because you'll never emerge, or because she won't? |
| 19:27.08 | Ackis | we both won't |
| 19:27.17 | Ackis | even though our PC's are 5 feet beside each other |
| 19:27.44 | alestane | At least that leaves the possibility of footsie. |
| 19:28.11 | Ackis | I reach across and grab a boob now and then |
| 19:30.38 | alestane | I only played 3, Seerah, but it definitely had me in its clutches for a while. |
| 19:30.39 | Lunessa | Seerah: I still lose weekends to Civ. I have every version. |
| 19:31.01 | Lunessa | I was a beta tester for 2 & 3. And I helped edit the manual for 3. |
| 19:31.11 | Ackis | I don't have civ1 :( |
| 19:32.05 | Lunessa | I played Civ for 48 hours straight. Sleep-deprivation leads in ... interesting ... strategy choices. |
| 19:32.44 | alestane | Lunessa, at what point did diplomacy become more important than sleep? |
| 19:32.53 | Ackis | I think 90% of my games I'm romans, and the other 10% I'm inidian, and I always attack americans first |
| 19:33.10 | Lunessa | alestane: In the first versions, diplomacy was pretty thin. |
| 19:33.38 | Lunessa | And back then, pretty much EVERYTHING in life was more important than sleep. |
| 19:34.05 | alestane | Yeah, I vaguely remember thsoe days. |
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| 19:36.28 | mikma | yey! invitation to lego universe! |
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| 19:38.43 | alestane | Hey foxlit...wanna go see what happens if you make a ScrollFrame parented to the root frame and make WorldFrame its ScrollChild? |
| 19:39.21 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:39.28 | nevcairiel | sounds like fun |
| 19:39.47 | alestane | foxlit always seems to like seeing if he can break things. |
| 19:42.52 | Lopeppeppy | Breaking stuff is fun times. |
| 19:43.16 | Fisker | no Lunessa |
| 19:43.20 | Fisker | you do not want Civ 5 |
| 19:43.28 | Fisker | Because it got securom |
| 19:43.33 | Fisker | btw Ackis i hate lego |
| 19:43.47 | Lunessa | Want the game, not the DRM. |
| 19:43.55 | Fisker | i made an account, and you cannot retrieve or reset password after it's made |
| 19:43.58 | Seerah | starts throwing LEGOs at Fisker |
| 19:44.01 | Fisker | but you need to use the password in the confirmation |
| 19:44.07 | Fisker | and somehow i either got my password wrong or they did |
| 19:44.11 | Fisker | so my account is stuck in limbo |
| 19:44.13 | Fisker | fgts! |
| 19:44.37 | Ackis | Fisker: same issue here so I signed up for a NEW account |
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| 19:48.17 | alestane | Well, done with grading so time to head home again. |
| 19:50.58 | Lunessa | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-14645.html |
| 19:54.14 | Lopeppeppy | Love that last comment. I must remember this site is automatically NSFW. |
| 19:55.25 | Fisker | Lopéppeppymon |
| 19:57.52 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, I get an accent aigu! |
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| 19:59.46 | Ackis | yeah but you're a pokemon now |
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| 20:03.18 | Lopeppeppy | Gotta get 'em all. |
| 20:03.43 | Shadowed | Fisker what does she evolve into |
| 20:04.55 | Ackis | a Lopeppoopy ? |
| 20:06.36 | Lopeppeppy | Ahem. |
| 20:06.38 | Lopeppeppy | Watch it bub. |
| 20:06.51 | Ackis | you'll do you fling poo attack against me if I don't? :P |
| 20:07.12 | Lopeppeppy | You have poms I can send to do hideous things to you. |
| 20:07.41 | Ackis | he already steals my socks right off my feet, bites my nose, and slaps me in the face... can he do worse? |
| 20:07.48 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, very yes. |
| 20:07.52 | Ackis | :( |
| 20:09.10 | Ackis | I just learned that I can copy/paste with ctrl-c/ctrl-v... I no longer have to use ctrl insert/shift insert |
| 20:09.31 | cog|work | O.o |
| 20:09.32 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 20:09.33 | Lopeppeppy | sheeple |
| 20:09.41 | nicoli_s | are you serious? you just learned this |
| 20:10.04 | Ackis | nicoli_s: yes... I always used insert as my shortcut |
| 20:10.07 | nicoli_s | i mean even my gf knows about ctrl c,v |
| 20:10.14 | nicoli_s | silly canucks |
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| 20:12.01 | cog|work | CTRL+ Z, X, C, V (undo, cut, copy paste) have been around since before win3.1 iirc... |
| 20:12.09 | cog|work | way to miss the last 20 years >< |
| 20:12.12 | durcyn | nicoli_s: redundant. |
| 20:12.27 | Ackis | I know ctrl-z, ctrl-y is redo as well |
| 20:12.33 | Ackis | I just used ctrl/shift insert |
| 20:12.54 | durcyn | Ackis: no shift-delete for cut? tsk. |
| 20:13.04 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Ackis. |
| 20:13.14 | Ackis | :D |
| 20:13.16 | cog|work | last time i used those shortcuts was QuickBasic >< |
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| 20:16.19 | Ackis | I'm old, what can I say? |
| 20:21.02 | Ackis | wtb integrated EIM system :( |
| 20:21.54 | Ackis | http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/ |
| 20:26.23 | Ackis | shit someone tried changing my wow info AND I won $1 million from a long lost relative in Nigeria! All in the same day! |
| 20:30.21 | Shirik | Ackis |
| 20:30.24 | Shirik | who do you think you are |
| 20:31.17 | nevcairiel | He probably thinks he is funny |
| 20:34.20 | olafski | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/mac_steam_rage_fffffuuuuuuu.jpg :D |
| 20:38.21 | Lunessa | olafski: Mac OSX supports right-click. |
| 20:38.43 | Fisker | oldafski |
| 20:38.53 | Fisker | no it doesn't Lunessa |
| 20:38.57 | Fisker | that's a common myth |
| 20:39.08 | Lunessa | ... Um, I'm on a mac right now and right clicked. |
| 20:39.22 | Fisker | obviously you're directionblind |
| 20:39.26 | Fisker | or delusional |
| 20:39.36 | Dagmar | ...or talking to Fisker. |
| 20:40.04 | Lunessa | Fisker - looking for an excuse to troll and say FU since he was a zygote. |
| 20:40.31 | Fisker | Lunessa - Ignorant |
| 20:41.13 | Lunessa | Fisker: Asshat of the lowest sort, but we tolerate him anyway. |
| 20:41.23 | Fisker | Lunessa - QQ |
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| 20:44.45 | Fisker | hey you Ackis |
| 20:45.04 | Ackis | wot Fisker? |
| 20:45.16 | Ackis | I was eating cake! |
| 20:46.57 | Shadowed | haha olafski |
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| 20:47.41 | Ackis | darksiders rips off the portal idea near the end of the game :( |
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| 20:58.16 | Fisker | you're nothing more than a traitor Ackis |
| 20:58.26 | Fisker | Shadowed you're not allowed to have fun, because the image is inaccurate |
| 20:58.37 | Fisker | we wouldn't have you be an asshat or a troll amirite? |
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| 21:01.08 | Ackis | Fisker: why am I a traitor? |
| 21:04.16 | Fisker | Channeling Svalna |
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| 21:06.35 | Thunder_Child | actually Lunessa, you mean the op's tolerate him, i am quite sure he is on a few ignore lists in this channel |
| 21:06.59 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: I'm considering it. |
| 21:08.14 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: i prefer his shenanigans to certian other peoples. at least Fisker is doing it on purpose |
| 21:08.40 | Fisker | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/27/23710231601-whats-wrong-with-an-active-mana-regen-model.html <-this would actually be a nice idea |
| 21:14.14 | Shirik | I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_while_John_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_a_better_effect_on_the_teacher should be required reading for anyone venturing into RPGs |
| 21:14.19 | Shirik | s/RPG/MMO/ |
| 21:15.56 | Ackis | reading the answer it makes sense, but I don't think I could come up with the punctuation on my own for all the had's. |
| 21:16.47 | foxlit | Shirik: your? point! is that, people should; use punctuation. or something! |
| 21:16.58 | Shirik | die |
| 21:17.07 | foxlit | No can, do. |
| 21:17.08 | Lopeppeppy | in a firey fire of firey doom. |
| 21:18.42 | alestane | DOOOOOOOOM |
| 21:22.58 | Lunessa | slaughters them all. |
| 21:23.41 | alestane | ....DOOOOoooOOooooOooooooommm......... |
| 21:24.20 | Lunessa | I use Grrr as the icon for Adium. |
| 21:26.55 | Lopeppeppy | grr? |
| 21:30.04 | alestane | worries Peppy. |
| 21:30.24 | Ackis | haha |
| 21:30.30 | foxlit | alestane: what could possibly go wrong? |
| 21:30.33 | Ackis | I got a $1 donation for Chuck Norris Facts! :D |
| 21:31.33 | Arrowmaster | has anybody ever heard of an error like this with IE8 and windows7? |
| 21:32.09 | Arrowmaster | ok xchat is being a bitch right now with pasting |
| 21:32.26 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmmm. *purr* |
| 21:32.27 | Arrowmaster | Error: An error has occured in installing certificate in Vista. This could be due to the enrollment URL not in your trusted site list or you are missing the issuer root certificate in trusted certificate authority store. If you continue to get this error, contact the Administrator. (367) |
| 21:32.32 | Arrowmaster | Reason: Certificate Installation failed |
| 21:33.20 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Isn't the "Reason" the result? |
| 21:33.24 | DWSR | Not the reason? |
| 21:33.39 | Arrowmaster | i dont know seems weird to me |
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| 21:34.42 | Arrowmaster | my aunt is having issues with HP's Provisional Registration and Credentialing System and until she gets this fixed cant get on their SharePoint |
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| 21:37.16 | Fisker | hey Arrowmaster |
| 21:37.21 | Fisker | is it you? |
| 21:37.35 | Arrowmaster | ? |
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| 21:45.55 | zenzelezz | "EU Parliament Rejects ACTA In a 663 To 13 Vote" \o/ |
| 21:47.11 | foxlit | Headline is of the usual /. quality |
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| 21:47.38 | foxlit | How can you reject something that's still being negotiated? |
| 21:47.56 | Shadowed | They rejected the vote to reject it |
| 21:47.58 | Shadowed | clearly |
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| 21:53.18 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:53.21 | DWSR | ACTA? |
| 21:54.04 | DWSR | lemme guess, some stupid laws involving ISPs, pirating, and the RIAA? |
| 21:54.30 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 21:54.46 | zenzelezz | I think the gist is the US wants free access to everywhere, and the EU aren't happy about it |
| 21:54.46 | DWSR | And the EU went "Right. OUT!" |
| 21:55.08 | Ackis | US wants draconian laws, EU was like fuufufufuufufufufufuufu |
| 21:55.17 | Ackis | the entire thing is being done in secret as well |
| 21:55.20 | Ackis | (or was) |
| 21:55.24 | nevcairiel | The EU was quite sane about all those shitty laws some silly countrys want to enforce |
| 21:55.38 | DWSR | Ackis: fuufuufufufufufufufufu |
| 21:55.39 | nevcairiel | SWIFT declined, ACTA declined, Software Patents declined |
| 21:55.40 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:55.42 | Ackis | one of the laws was a 3 strikes and you're out |
| 21:55.44 | nevcairiel | yay for the EU! |
| 21:55.53 | Ackis | aka 3 strikes and you lose your interwebs |
| 21:56.03 | durcyn | france doesn't count, eh |
| 21:56.09 | DWSR | Ackis: They have that in some places in the states, iirc. |
| 21:56.20 | nevcairiel | yeah the french are just weird people |
| 21:56.29 | durcyn | DWSR: er, no. |
| 21:56.36 | Ackis | DWSR: that's why I said the US wants draconian laws ;) |
| 21:59.36 | DWSR | People are telling me that 2499 on a WoWHeroes score is too low to tank ICC10. |
| 21:59.55 | DWSR | (Not that I put any particular stock in the score, but people want their metrics, however flawed). |
| 22:00.11 | nevcairiel | so gearscore is old already, its another silly score now |
| 22:00.13 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 22:00.21 | DWSR | no |
| 22:00.25 | DWSR | ssdd. |
| 22:00.38 | DWSR | People realized that the GS addon didn't score your gear including gems and enchants. |
| 22:00.45 | DWSR | s/People/Some people/ |
| 22:01.19 | Shadowed | WH doesn't score gems either last I looked, they use some sort of really basic checks to figure out if an enchant is valid or not too |
| 22:01.35 | DWSR | Shadowed: It scores your gems + enchants, iirc. |
| 22:01.37 | DWSR | though, maybe not. |
| 22:01.43 | DWSR | It does attempt to score your chants, though |
| 22:02.14 | Shadowed | It "scores" them in the sense that it adds a number to another if you have a gem |
| 22:02.22 | Shadowed | I'm not sure how they do enchants thought, it's some wonky system |
| 22:02.35 | DWSR | yeah, that's what I meant. |
| 22:02.39 | zenzelezz | I didn't know WoW had bards |
| 22:02.40 | DWSR | It adds to your base gear score. |
| 22:02.45 | Lunessa | They do. They add a number and different enchants have different numbers. |
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| 22:03.06 | Lunessa | What those numbers mean? Who can say? |
| 22:03.11 | Shadowed | Yea I'm pretty sure it's all hardcoded |
| 22:03.37 | DWSR | http://wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Emerald%20Dream&name=Arelin <--- like I'm pretty sure the shitty little meter SAYS I can tank ICC10. |
| 22:03.47 | DWSR | Even ElitistGroup is like "Yeah, you can do it" |
| 22:03.57 | DWSR | People are such fucking cockbags. |
| 22:04.19 | DWSR | He wants a 2700+. My fully 245+ lock is only like 3k. |
| 22:04.59 | nevcairiel | yeah they don't care, they want easy badges |
| 22:05.06 | nevcairiel | or easy loot, w/e |
| 22:05.10 | DWSR | want to be carried* |
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| 22:05.39 | DWSR | His GS is only like 2900. |
| 22:05.40 | DWSR | err. |
| 22:05.42 | DWSR | WHGS* |
| 22:05.57 | DWSR | And he's missing a shoulder enchant, what a scrub. |
| 22:05.58 | Shadowed | I love how every site has it's own Gearscore, and they all call it the same |
| 22:07.00 | DWSR | mhm |
| 22:08.14 | nevcairiel | wowhead down for anyone else? |
| 22:08.33 | [WASWAS]Xaiz | Hello i would really appreciate some help. I have been using ALZA oUF unit frames, and I would like to have oUF_spellrange added. http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=12781&so=&page=3#info |
| 22:08.38 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: seems so |
| 22:08.54 | durcyn | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wowhead.com |
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| 22:09.33 | nevcairiel | Adys: the index page on db.mmo-c seems to have some weird issues |
| 22:09.33 | DWSR | just you |
| 22:09.42 | Shadowed | [WASWAS]Xaiz: You may want to try posting on the oUF forums, might be able to get an answer there |
| 22:09.52 | [WASWAS]Xaiz | Allright |
| 22:09.57 | [WASWAS]Xaiz | Thanks i'll look into it |
| 22:10.15 | Shadowed | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=87 |
| 22:10.47 | [WASWAS]Xaiz | Thanks Shadowed |
| 22:10.50 | DWSR | Now I'm trolling the guy who won't let me tank an ICC10. |
| 22:10.58 | DWSR | And he threw the excuse "I got back in January" |
| 22:11.28 | DWSR | is in troll presence today. |
| 22:11.30 | DWSR | Fisker |
| 22:13.54 | Adys | nevcairiel: link? |
| 22:14.06 | nevcairiel | http://db.mmo-champion.com/ :P |
| 22:14.11 | Adys | lemme guess |
| 22:14.14 | Adys | menus broken on chrome? |
| 22:14.17 | nevcairiel | yes |
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| 22:14.55 | Adys | grmph |
| 22:15.02 | Thunder_Child | Adys: they are working fine for me |
| 22:15.11 | Adys | yeah its some thing specific |
| 22:15.22 | nevcairiel | latest dev channel on windows, fwiw |
| 22:15.38 | nevcairiel | 5.0.342.2 |
| 22:15.39 | Thunder_Child | ah, well thats bound to change |
| 22:15.43 | Adys | https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27446 |
| 22:16.06 | nevcairiel | i didnt even open the inspector :) |
| 22:16.13 | Adys | - The behaviour on the linked page happens *all the time* with the web |
| 22:16.14 | Adys | inspector open, and *rarely* with the web inspector closed. |
| 22:16.59 | nevcairiel | its reproducable on every reload of the page for me, fwiw |
| 22:17.10 | Adys | yeah that changes with the inspector builds |
| 22:17.11 | Adys | https://bug-27446-attachments.webkit.org/attachment.cgi?id=33954 |
| 22:17.24 | Lunessa | *sigh* I hate having to re-do all the damned screen shots for a document. |
| 22:18.05 | nevcairiel | so its a webkit issue, eh? |
| 22:18.09 | Adys | yep |
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| 22:25.38 | Krispy` | Heyy |
| 22:25.51 | Krispy` | I've had a suggesiton |
| 22:25.54 | Krispy` | *Suggestion |
| 22:26.02 | Krispy` | And I really want to propose it to you guys |
| 22:26.04 | DWSR | You've had one, eh? |
| 22:26.06 | Krispy` | and ask if it's possible |
| 22:26.10 | Krispy` | :O |
| 22:26.10 | Krispy` | Yeah |
| 22:26.11 | Krispy` | Well |
| 22:26.14 | DWSR | Well, if you had it, then you no longer have it. |
| 22:26.25 | Krispy` | I thought of it just now after this horrible, HORRIBLE icc25 guildrun |
| 22:26.42 | Krispy` | Where a shammy in our guild ankhed after saurfang marked him |
| 22:26.43 | Krispy` | >:C |
| 22:26.54 | Krispy` | And I was wondering if it was possible to hook when a player had a buff |
| 22:26.59 | Krispy` | and then if they died when they had the buff |
| 22:27.01 | WobWork | http://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/10281840635 |
| 22:27.12 | WobWork | this is why Neil Gaiman rocks =P |
| 22:27.13 | Krispy` | It spammed their screen with raid warnings for 30 seconds |
| 22:27.17 | Krispy` | Telling them not to res |
| 22:27.55 | Adys | http://9gag.com/gag/19231 |
| 22:28.48 | Krispy` | I guess not. |
| 22:29.04 | nevcairiel | sure its possible |
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| 22:30.04 | Amarande | sooo ... did ranged DPS take some sort of giant general nerfing in the latest patch or something? |
| 22:30.16 | Amarande | "Since the [Festergut] encounter is a DPS race, it's obvious that the melee group should be large, while the ranged group should be small." -- WoWWiki |
| 22:30.30 | Amarande | this seems to kinda imply that ranged DPS no longer really cut the mustard in a DPS race compared to melee :| |
| 22:30.39 | nevcairiel | eh, dont trust wowwiki |
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| 22:32.38 | A-KO | Amarande: uhm, because the ranged have to keep spread out and also get some debuff that makes them throw up |
| 22:32.43 | A-KO | and throw up on others, which makes them throw up |
| 22:32.53 | A-KO | when you stack to get the spores, there's a good chance of a lot of ranged dying |
| 22:33.04 | foxlit | Strategies in general should explain /why/ you're doing things |
| 22:33.06 | nevcairiel | we never had that problem |
| 22:33.06 | A-KO | to counter this, they require a minimum amount of ranged on the fight otherwise the debuff hits the melee |
| 22:33.29 | foxlit | But you could put ranged DPS in melee range |
| 22:33.55 | nevcairiel | sure, short of failhunters they dont need the range |
| 22:34.40 | Amarande | (I'm also supposing that the reason why there's such a short enrage timer is in part to keep people from slipping back into their Mother Shahraz sets from 70 to make the boss's damage useless? :D) |
| 22:35.00 | foxlit | Shadow resistance? Why? |
| 22:35.20 | Amarande | foxlit: according to wowwiki, *all* of Festergut's damage is shadow. Literally *all* of it. |
| 22:36.36 | zenzelezz | hasn't all of WotLK been fairly "let's ignore resistance" fights? |
| 22:36.41 | zenzelezz | at least in terms of equipment |
| 22:36.45 | Amarande | zenzelezz: Sapphiron |
| 22:36.57 | foxlit | Even that is mostly optional. |
| 22:37.06 | Amarande | and, actually, it would be nice to see more fights where resistance becomes important |
| 22:37.12 | Amarande | instead of simplistic "get the most zomg" |
| 22:37.17 | foxlit | [No it is not.] |
| 22:37.21 | nevcairiel | i never wore frost resistance on sapphiron |
| 22:37.27 | nevcairiel | not me, not anyone in any group i was in |
| 22:37.37 | nevcairiel | And no, resistance fights are not fun. |
| 22:37.43 | nevcairiel | We've had them. |
| 22:37.50 | nevcairiel | We didn't like them. |
| 22:38.05 | zenzelezz | I think we only used resistance on Sapphiron the first time |
| 22:38.14 | zenzelezz | and that was just the buff |
| 22:38.22 | nevcairiel | The first time we did sapphiron, we just dinged 80 and still wore our lvl 70 raid gear |
| 22:38.38 | zenzelezz | personally I did enjoy resistance fights, but only for the tanks - not the whole raid |
| 22:38.38 | nevcairiel | and yeah, probably used a pally aura :P |
| 22:38.48 | nevcairiel | just the tank is fine |
| 22:38.52 | nevcairiel | whole raid is just silly |
| 22:39.57 | zenzelezz | agreed |
| 22:39.58 | nevcairiel | Maybe not the tank tank, but some other player that tanks a caster, like warlocks did in BC sometimes |
| 22:40.05 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cM9S2AzU28 |
| 22:40.37 | zenzelezz | I enjoyed Hydross |
| 22:41.04 | nevcairiel | I just wish healers had some other roles to do sometime .. some cannon to man? not healers, they have to heal .. some gadget to use .. noo, not the healers, can't lose their healing contribution |
| 22:41.09 | nevcairiel | i want to do something fun sometime =( |
| 22:41.13 | Amarande | and dammit. I just found my package of zip ties and I can't remember what it was I wanted to do with them |
| 22:41.24 | Amarande | I remember there was SOMETHING I was looking for zip ties for, and now I can't remember what. :| |
| 22:41.47 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: did they ever really get anything? I recall mind controlling on Razuvious originally, but other than that I'm drawing a blank |
| 22:42.06 | Lunessa | Amarande: They are not for tying yourself to yourself. I'm just saying. |
| 22:42.06 | nevcairiel | and they had shadow priests do that, obviously! |
| 22:42.15 | nevcairiel | and no, i don't think healers ever did anything but heal |
| 22:42.19 | Amarande | Lunessa, have you tied yourself to yourself with zip ties before? :| |
| 22:42.20 | zenzelezz | of course, had to have that +spell hit |
| 22:42.30 | Lunessa | Amarande: Who me? no. |
| 22:42.32 | DWSR | zenzelezz: No you didn't. |
| 22:42.35 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Mind soothe, kthx. |
| 22:42.41 | DWSR | err. |
| 22:42.43 | DWSR | s/Mind // |
| 22:42.57 | Thrae | Trying to gear a Resto Druid. First thing is Haste, than what? Spellpower or Spirit? |
| 22:43.00 | Amarande | but yeah, WoW really needs some more fights that are more than just "equip the highest ilvl gear you can get and mash 123, or sometimes just 1" |
| 22:43.05 | DWSR | Thrae: First thing is spirit. |
| 22:43.06 | A-KO | Thrae: SP |
| 22:43.11 | zenzelezz | well I've never played a caster, but all my guildies back in Naxx40 were zomg +spell hit for MC! |
| 22:43.11 | A-KO | haste + SP IMO |
| 22:43.14 | Gnarfoz | also, it's "then" :P |
| 22:43.21 | Amarande | oh, and don't stand in the fire meanwhile, but that's pretty much it for bosses these days :| |
| 22:43.35 | DWSR | Amarande: The ICC bosses have some interesting mechanics. |
| 22:43.38 | nevcairiel | I wouldn't stack haste as the first thing, it drains your mana fast, make sure to have enough spirit to keep up |
| 22:43.40 | DWSR | But those are the only ones. |
| 22:43.43 | Amarande | there's accessible content, and then there's getting dangerously close to FFX boss mechanics. |
| 22:43.43 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 22:43.50 | DWSR | You need to concentrating on spirit + spellpower. |
| 22:43.51 | A-KO | all the top druids stack it |
| 22:43.55 | DWSR | You'll collect enough haste in time. |
| 22:43.55 | nevcairiel | Spellpower comes with that on all items, anyway |
| 22:43.58 | DWSR | A-KO: He's gearing up. |
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| 22:46.05 | DWSR | Needs spirit + spellpower to make sure that he's not running out of mana. |
| 22:46.09 | zenzelezz | I'm not very qualified to speak about boss mechanics currently, as I've not done Ulduar/ToGC/ICC, but I seem to have fonder memories of BC than I do WotLK/vanilla |
| 22:46.29 | Thrae | Yeah Rapid Rejuv. rolling gets expensive |
| 22:46.50 | Amarande | well ... as far as BC is concerned, I only ever saw Kara |
| 22:46.55 | Amarande | which to me seemed pretty well designed |
| 22:47.07 | Amarande | well, except for Netherspite. I hated Netherspite. Would have been awesome in a pen and paper RPG though. |
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| 22:47.24 | DWSR | yes. |
| 22:47.32 | DWSR | Trust me, if you're just running heroics, you don't need a ton of haste. |
| 22:47.47 | DWSR | You want to make sure you can keep hots rolling while the tank is chain pulling and the DPS are all standing in whirldwin. |
| 22:47.52 | DWSR | whirlwind, even. |
| 22:47.58 | Thrae | Oh, this is for raiding. I run heroics as my main-spec, tank. |
| 22:47.59 | Amarande | BC needed more accessible heroics and a dungeon finder |
| 22:48.09 | Thrae | Never had a problem healing heroics either when necessary |
| 22:48.12 | DWSR | Amarande: Good thing we have WotLK. |
| 22:48.18 | Amarande | DWSR: Indeed. |
| 22:48.31 | Thrae | Tank/Healer spec -- there's a masochist for you |
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| 22:48.46 | Amarande | Thrae: naw, I find it more masochistic lately to be DPS |
| 22:48.56 | Amarande | at least as tank/healer spec you -actually get to do instances- |
| 22:49.01 | Thrae | You know, I was just thinking, I wonder if Cataclysm will bring back the Support role from the old Vanilla days. |
| 22:49.13 | Amarande | as DPS, you get to sit there shaking the monitor and screaming "POP ALREADY!" |
| 22:49.16 | zenzelezz | support role in what way? |
| 22:49.26 | Thrae | Crowd Control |
| 22:49.30 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 22:49.32 | zenzelezz | I sure hope so |
| 22:49.37 | Amarande | I guess they mean like, functions other than just soaking damage, healing damage, and dealing damage :) |
| 22:50.29 | zenzelezz | I think I still have a screenshot of the single time in BC when my guild managed to keep four mobs sheeped simultaneously in The Eye |
| 22:50.48 | Kraps | how does haste affect hots? |
| 22:50.50 | foxlit | silly instance name |
| 22:50.57 | foxlit | Kraps: not by default, it doesn't. |
| 22:50.59 | DWSR | Kraps: It doesn't, unless you're a tree with Rapid Rejuv. |
| 22:51.10 | DWSR | Then it decreases the time between ticks for rejuvenation only. |
| 22:51.14 | Amarande | The Eye ... that reminds me, I need to start doing that weekly next time I reactivate my account |
| 22:51.36 | p3lim | hm looking for a new IM client, currently using Miranda, any suggestions? |
| 22:51.44 | DWSR | p3lim: You want a multi-protocol client? |
| 22:51.45 | zenzelezz | Pidgin |
| 22:51.48 | DWSR | NO |
| 22:51.50 | DWSR | SPAWN OF SATAN |
| 22:51.56 | zenzelezz | quiet son |
| 22:52.07 | A-KO | I use pidgin |
| 22:52.19 | p3lim | I just use .NET |
| 22:52.46 | zenzelezz | that makes no sense |
| 22:52.48 | Thrae | Mmm, pizza's here |
| 22:52.50 | WobWork | I use pidgin |
| 22:53.02 | p3lim | I currently use Miranda for both IRC and .NET |
| 22:53.12 | zenzelezz | still makes no sense |
| 22:53.15 | zenzelezz | .NET is a framework |
| 22:53.20 | Dashkal | XMPP server with bindings to the other protocols? :P |
| 22:54.02 | Thrae | But yeah, one of the problems with EQ and DAoC was that a "mezzer" was pretty much required in parties. It eventually branched out into ridiculousness for EQ (all the Tetris days), but I thought WoW was trying to solve that by giving all DPS some viable form of CC. |
| 22:54.21 | p3lim | MSN protocol then |
| 22:54.35 | p3lim | been looking at some wikis and they refered to it as the .NET protocol |
| 22:54.54 | Thrae | That's what it looked like in Vanilla, but I guess people found it too hard to find the CC they needed for fights (usually Rogues), and now even Heroic fights are more like AoE fests |
| 22:55.26 | Thrae | However, the cross-server Dungeon LFG Tool should solve the problem of finding people to fill a CC role |
| 22:55.31 | p3lim | Rather, I just want status messages in the nicks of people in my list and a seperate IRC client |
| 22:55.43 | p3lim | Dont know if there is such a plugin for miranda though¨ |
| 22:55.56 | WobWork | mostly cause Digsby pulled that stupid stunt |
| 22:56.11 | zenzelezz | what stunt? |
| 22:56.32 | WobWork | where they used your spare CPU cycles for a Unfolding@Home sort of program |
| 22:56.35 | WobWork | but didn't tell you |
| 22:56.43 | zenzelezz | oh, right |
| 22:56.45 | Adys | pidgin is the least bad of them all |
| 22:56.47 | Adys | however |
| 22:56.48 | Thrae | So I think they should bring it back. I dunno if that will happen with Cata or they'll continue with Tank/Healer/DPS/DPS/DPS formula for 5-mans, though some fights seem to have an inkling of CC in them (PoS, after Ick, before Gauntlet, four hard fights for ~iLevel 200 in Heroic) |
| 22:57.01 | WobWork | Thrae: oh god, it could find someone -capable- of CC |
| 22:57.03 | Adys | if someone wants to help me work on a cross-platform Qt IM client |
| 22:57.10 | WobWork | but not necessarily someone who -could- effectively |
| 22:57.11 | Kraps | is wowhead down? |
| 22:57.11 | Adys | I've got one unfinished right here |
| 22:57.19 | Adys | yes kraps |
| 22:57.25 | durcyn | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wowhead.com |
| 22:57.30 | DWSR | Thrae: You use CC for that? |
| 22:57.35 | Kraps | wuhappen? |
| 22:57.37 | DWSR | We just zerg. |
| 22:57.38 | zenzelezz | Adys: that sounds intriguing |
| 22:57.39 | Thrae | WobWork: Well Tanking and Healing isn't all rollyourface all the time, depending on the gear |
| 22:57.49 | WobWork | DWSR: for ilvl200s? |
| 22:57.59 | DWSR | You can't get into PoS with only ilvl 200s. |
| 22:58.06 | WobWork | well that was the criteria =P |
| 22:58.09 | Thrae | DWSR: Depends on the gear of the PUG, if we're all "undergeared", a Shackle seriously helps those fights, as well as HoR |
| 22:58.11 | foxlit | I demand more rollyourface heroics! |
| 22:58.17 | Adys | zenzelezz: I've got the design docs complete |
| 22:58.20 | Thrae | DWSR: Yes you can |
| 22:58.24 | Adys | I just need someone to implement the backend and UI |
| 22:58.45 | DWSR | Thrae: Wouldn't let me in until I had an average ilvl about 215. |
| 22:58.55 | Thrae | Heroic PoS unlocks ~iLevel 200 |
| 22:59.05 | DWSR | and yes, we just facerolled it |
| 22:59.17 | zenzelezz | Adys: are you using/planning to use existing libraries for the different protocols? Or is it a whole new protocol? |
| 22:59.28 | Adys | Undecided yet |
| 22:59.35 | WobWork | DWSR: You can faceroll it if the tank or healer outgear the place |
| 22:59.40 | Adys | but probably will use libraries |
| 22:59.55 | Adys | Im planning to have at least MSN, xmpp and AIM support |
| 23:00.03 | Adys | the rest can suck it up tbh |
| 23:00.04 | zenzelezz | I really wish I could get my friends to go from MSN to some other protocol |
| 23:00.15 | Adys | same |
| 23:00.16 | Amarande | DWSR: I suppose you could get into PoS at ilvl 200 |
| 23:00.17 | Adys | HELLO BIBI |
| 23:00.29 | Amarande | maybe you did FoS with ilvl 200 and it didn't drop anything for your class? |
| 23:00.33 | Thrae | DWSR: Well it's near 200 and really it's not as effective as, say, WoW-Heroes algorithm for how facerollable it is. My little brother still has two greens (one iLevel 77 Trinket, one iLevel 177 Trinket) and he's allowed into Heroic PoS, probably because of the two iLevel 245 *PvP* pieces he has |
| 23:00.34 | DWSR | zenzelezz: I really wish you would just realize that the MSN chat protocol is much better than AIM. |
| 23:00.46 | Adys | zenzelezz: the UI is the interesting part though |
| 23:00.46 | zenzelezz | DWSR: I said "some other", not AIM |
| 23:01.14 | Adys | I'm planning to have a tabbed chrome-like interface |
| 23:01.20 | Adys | with new tab page instead of buddy list |
| 23:01.21 | Amarande | Thrae: probably because the greens are only trinkets |
| 23:01.30 | Amarande | if you don't raid, it seems difficultish to get decent trinkets |
| 23:01.37 | Amarande | well, assuming you don't raid and aren't a JC, anyway |
| 23:01.59 | Thrae | Amarande: Yeah, he's leveling up his Engineering to get better ones, but no one sells Fel Iron these days so it's annoying |
| 23:02.09 | Adys | zenzelezz: you interested? |
| 23:02.12 | WobWork | Thrae: no mining alt? |
| 23:02.36 | p3lim | Adys: got any scetches or something? |
| 23:02.39 | zenzelezz | Adys: yeah, but I suspect I'm not sufficiently familiar with Qt/those things |
| 23:02.53 | Adys | zenzelezz: if you got experience with c++ thats enough |
| 23:03.13 | Adys | p3lim: some concepts yeah; but basically just open google chrome and look at it |
| 23:03.16 | Thrae | WobWork: He has Mining, but it's annoying to go out and mine Fel Iron when you could be doing randoms, etc. He's a 13-year-old of Generation X, so his patience is rather low |
| 23:03.25 | Adys | url bar for search+quick contact |
| 23:03.48 | Thrae | WobWork: Actually he's not up to Fel Iron on Mining even, he still has to go through Trusilver which is in Azeroth. He's a Death Knight which made it hard to level up the professions |
| 23:03.48 | Adys | eg I want to talk to Sergey Brin <sgbrin@google.com>, I can do ctrl-l sgbrin, or ctrl-l serg |
| 23:03.49 | p3lim | hm |
| 23:04.09 | p3lim | ctrl-f? |
| 23:04.11 | p3lim | :p |
| 23:04.21 | Adys | ctrl-f searches the text in the backlog |
| 23:04.34 | p3lim | I dont use chrome |
| 23:04.42 | Adys | I want to pick a new contact: ctrl-t for new tab, I can pick from a list of contacts here including most popular contacts |
| 23:04.56 | Lunessa | You malign my work on AIM. /cries |
| 23:05.07 | Adys | each contact works as an interactive web page |
| 23:05.12 | Adys | and like half of the UI is actually in HTML |
| 23:05.30 | Adys | the Qt backend spits out the messages which I catch in javascript/ajax |
| 23:05.42 | p3lim | youre making a new program or just a plugin for chrome? |
| 23:05.51 | Adys | i did think about making it a chrome plugin |
| 23:05.55 | Adys | but went against the idea |
| 23:05.57 | Thrae | WobWork: Logically you might think to yourself, "Go make a new alt and level up Mining with him, maybe even through in some BoA", but personally I hate that and my little brother would rather be playing his DK with me and his other family |
| 23:06.11 | Thrae | s#through#throw# |
| 23:06.13 | Adys | usability wise it doesnt offer as much as Id want from an IM client |
| 23:06.46 | Adys | besides I've wanted to implement c++/html interfaces since ages |
| 23:07.17 | zenzelezz | sounds like a nice idea; and I believe Qt has a webkit class already |
| 23:07.33 | Adys | Yep, Im using it |
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| 23:08.06 | Thrae | Cata will help with the Alt problem of Professions, but I'd still like to see a better separation of Gathering and Production in Professions into Secondary and Primary, respectively |
| 23:08.45 | Adys | anyway really |
| 23:08.56 | Adys | if anyone wants to help out with backend, frontend or midend, gimme a sign |
| 23:09.19 | Thrae | Of course once I talk about making Cooking a Primary profession, everyone goes crazy like they can't wrap their head around it |
| 23:09.57 | Adys | Thrae: an issue with doing that kind of thing would be ruining (even more ha ha) the economy |
| 23:10.08 | Adys | everything would become way overfarm, especially high end mats |
| 23:10.12 | Adys | and prices would drop like crazy |
| 23:10.48 | Adys | there would also be a much greater amount of crafts in AH, which wouldn't have been an issue 3 years ago |
| 23:11.00 | Kraps | just realized that glyph colors = class colors |
| 23:11.10 | Adys | but now is, since for an entire raid you basically need 50 flasks and 3 fish feasts |
| 23:11.14 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/03/heidegger-tools/ |
| 23:11.14 | Fisker | hey kraft |
| 23:11.23 | kraft | :o |
| 23:11.24 | Adys | Kraps: what? |
| 23:11.24 | Fisker | damnit kraft stop being before Kraps |
| 23:11.29 | kraft | :'( |
| 23:11.31 | Thrae | Adys: Not really, IF the Refinement process is limited to Production professions |
| 23:11.40 | Kraps | Adys: what what |
| 23:11.46 | Adys | glyph colors = ? |
| 23:11.57 | Fisker | glass colors |
| 23:12.00 | Fisker | class* |
| 23:12.02 | Amarande | I really should level up my alchemist |
| 23:12.23 | Kraps | Adys: yeah, glyphes are colored |
| 23:12.25 | Amarande | there really isn't much alchemy representation in-guild, and last time I raided I had to use BC flasks because there weren't any of the right WotLK flasks on the AH, at all :| |
| 23:12.26 | Thrae | Adys: Well they're not required, but they're nice. Right now on my server its JCs and Alchemists making a serious killing. |
| 23:12.36 | Adys | Kraps: http://db.mmo-champion.com/static/img/icons/ui-glyph-rune-19.png like those icons? |
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| 23:12.52 | Kraps | yes |
| 23:13.10 | Adys | i wonder how they do it |
| 23:13.18 | Fisker | hax |
| 23:13.54 | Thrae | In fact, most mats, even Saronite, are going up in value and down in quantity |
| 23:13.55 | Kraps | the shapes of the runes are also different |
| 23:14.20 | Kraps | by class, then by major/minor |
| 23:14.25 | Thrae | While Enchanting mats are going down in value and up in quantity, of course, due to Randoms |
| 23:14.29 | Kraps | cool |
| 23:15.07 | Kraps | Thrae: so i should drop enchanting? |
| 23:15.10 | Thrae | I blame Randoms and the whole badge farming for giving people less time to sink into farming mats, but it's different server to server |
| 23:16.12 | Thrae | Kraps: If you drop Enchanting, there's a 20% less chance in Randoms that someone will be able to Disenchant all those random greens that no longer fill the AH, and especially useless BoP blues |
| 23:16.38 | foxlit | "20% less chance" |
| 23:16.41 | foxlit | cringes. |
| 23:16.55 | Thrae | Kraps: Depends on if that's really a 20% chance or not for *your* server |
| 23:17.00 | Kraps | which would lead too... |
| 23:17.19 | Kraps | ? |
| 23:17.36 | Thrae | Of course, with Enchanting, you now need to roll on your own DEs. I remember when a lot of groups just let the Enchanters keep their DE'd mats. |
| 23:18.08 | Kraps | i have a lot of mats |
| 23:18.09 | foxlit | 10 primary professions, right? |
| 23:18.12 | Kraps | a |
| 23:18.13 | Kraps | lot |
| 23:18.49 | Thrae | Kraps: Sounds like Enchanting probably isn't a profitable game for you, not sure how 3.3.3 will effect it, may want to read on it just to be sure, but I doubt it |
| 23:19.04 | Adys | "effect" |
| 23:19.08 | Adys | cringes on foxlit. |
| 23:19.25 | foxlit | "effect" is one of those wonderful things you can use wrongly and still get right. |
| 23:19.37 | Thrae | You people are petty bastards. |
| 23:19.41 | Kraps | ^ |
| 23:19.52 | Adys | Thrae: Effectively affective bastards. |
| 23:20.08 | Kraps | thats wrong |
| 23:20.19 | Adys | JUST LIKE YOUR SISTER IN BED |
| 23:20.20 | Kraps | OR IS IT? |
| 23:20.26 | Kraps | wait what |
| 23:21.06 | Kraps | she needs to sleep too |
| 23:21.23 | Adys | man |
| 23:21.31 | Adys | Im looking at the bugged ptr screenshots again |
| 23:21.34 | Adys | some of them are gold |
| 23:21.35 | DWSR | Kraps: No it's not. |
| 23:21.45 | DWSR | Effectively affective bastards is perfectly fine. |
| 23:22.32 | Adys | IF YOU'RE INTO THIS SORT OF STUFF IT IS |
| 23:22.41 | DWSR | Adys: Die. |
| 23:23.44 | DWSR | s/Die/Die please/ |
| 23:23.49 | DWSR | Sorry, forgot my manners. |
| 23:24.02 | Adys | Up yours, sweetheart. |
| 23:25.30 | DWSR | You forgot to ask nicely. |
| 23:25.38 | Adys | I did call you sweetheart |
| 23:25.55 | DWSR | Meh, fair enough. |
| 23:26.09 | DWSR | Wowhead is having....issues...today I take it? |
| 23:29.21 | DWSR | !item 40097 |
| 23:29.25 | DWSR | err. |
| 23:29.33 | DWSR | anyway. |
| 23:30.19 | DWSR | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49907 <-- Should I socket double solid or something like solid + vivid? |
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| 23:31.31 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i49907/ |
| 23:31.34 | Adys | oh hey look mine works |
| 23:31.50 | DWSR | Mine does too. |
| 23:31.56 | DWSR | Get better internet. |
| 23:31.58 | Adys | no it doesnt |
| 23:31.58 | Adys | :P |
| 23:32.02 | DWSR | Yes it does. |
| 23:32.13 | DWSR | Just because you can't get it to work doesn't mean it doesn't work. |
| 23:32.40 | Adys | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wowhead.com |
| 23:32.45 | Adys | It's not just you! http://wowhead.com looks down from here. |
| 23:32.46 | Adys | mmh. |
| 23:33.02 | DWSR | *shrug*. ISP must be doing some caching upstream then. |
| 23:33.06 | Adys | looks like that just because you can get it to work doesn't mean you're not hallucinating |
| 23:33.07 | Adys | \o/ |
| 23:33.20 | DWSR | It was working all of 10 seconds ago. |
| 23:33.21 | DWSR | And regardless. |
| 23:33.34 | DWSR | Yellow/Blue, should I socket double Solid, or Solid + Vivid? |
| 23:34.08 | Adys | what class? |
| 23:34.24 | DWSR | DW DK |
| 23:34.51 | Jerub | DWSR: what's the set bonus? |
| 23:35.20 | DWSR | 9 stam. |
| 23:35.32 | Jerub | oh, definately get the socket bonus then |
| 23:37.37 | DWSR | It's a matter of like 4 stam vs. 10 hit rating. |
| 23:37.46 | Adys | "nozdurmo" |
| 23:38.01 | DWSR | I'll fuck your durmo in a minute. |
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| 23:39.21 | Jerub | DWSR: all the usual bullshit about hitcap, expertisedodgesoftcap and defcap applies. |
| 23:41.38 | DWSR | Jerub: Yeah. |
| 23:42.09 | Jerub | WobWork: echobazaar is bizarre |
| 23:44.05 | DWSR | Heh, I have 9% hit on my DW tank. |
| 23:44.08 | DWSR | Hurray. |
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| 23:59.27 | DWSR | Jerub: My hit cap's like 28%(?) |
