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| 00:03.59 | sylvanaar | haha, i turned it off a while back - its not compatible with web 2.0 |
| 00:04.45 | Kraps | just checked twitter |
| 00:06.27 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:06.31 | Fisker | just slapped Kraps |
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| 00:08.47 | Shadowed | California needs better weather |
| 00:08.48 | Kraps | ~lart Fisker |
| 00:08.48 | purl | executes killall -TERM Fisker |
| 00:08.50 | Shadowed | I want rain :( |
| 00:09.02 | ScytheBlade1 | got raid today |
| 00:09.09 | Shadowed | hate |
| 00:09.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ... *rain |
| 00:09.10 | Kraps | how is rain "better"? |
| 00:09.22 | Shadowed | how is it not |
| 00:09.33 | Fisker | don't kill me |
| 00:10.14 | Kraps | is healing really hard or do I really suck? |
| 00:10.21 | Kraps | dont answer that |
| 00:10.26 | Jerub | Kraps: healing is hard. |
| 00:10.35 | Jerub | Kraps: what addons are you using, and what class/spec? |
| 00:10.50 | Jerub | resto druid iirc. |
| 00:10.54 | Kraps | i have grid, resto shammy |
| 00:11.01 | Jerub | clique? |
| 00:11.16 | Kraps | no |
| 00:11.17 | WobWork | what's your most used spell? |
| 00:11.22 | WobWork | get Clique, stat |
| 00:11.40 | WobWork | how many buttons on your mouse? =) |
| 00:11.53 | Jerub | Kraps: oh, you're using over twice the amount of human interaction required to do healing then. |
| 00:12.04 | Jerub | Kraps: that'll make healing at least twice as hard. |
| 00:12.09 | WobWork | agrees |
| 00:12.27 | WobWork | I just don't -get- people who don't use Clique (or equivalent of clickcasting for healing) |
| 00:12.29 | Fisker | slaps WobWork around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:12.33 | WobWork | (on purpose) |
| 00:12.45 | Fisker | si get you |
| 00:12.50 | Fisker | i* |
| 00:12.51 | WobWork | healing is tough enough as it is, why stress yourself more? |
| 00:13.08 | Kraps | WobWork: i dont have a "most used" spell, i go all OCD on all of em in an effort to maximize heals:mana |
| 00:13.12 | WobWork | Fisker: You only get me with every 10th purchase of a cup of coffee |
| 00:13.22 | WobWork | You're a shaman |
| 00:13.24 | WobWork | don't worry = |
| 00:13.26 | WobWork | P |
| 00:13.46 | Kraps | no hots ftl |
| 00:13.47 | WobWork | by the time you've decided which spell to use, they're either dead, or healed by someone else |
| 00:13.50 | foxlit | WobWork: kind of meh :/ |
| 00:14.00 | WobWork | if you want to micromanage damage, play a druid |
| 00:14.13 | foxlit | Don't have enough buttons on mouse to map all the healing spells used |
| 00:14.18 | Kraps | thats what happens |
| 00:14.19 | WobWork | Shaman work better with spike damage across multi players |
| 00:14.20 | foxlit | Do NOT want to hold modifiers. |
| 00:14.21 | Jerub | WobWork: we micromanage? I throw rejuv around until i see someone who needs big heals :P |
| 00:14.39 | Jerub | foxlit: what's wrong with modifiers? |
| 00:14.41 | WobWork | Jerub: I tend to apply just enough HoT to fully heal everyone in 5mans |
| 00:14.49 | Jerub | i have a 4 button mouse and i need all my modifiers. |
| 00:14.54 | WobWork | no point overhotting =) |
| 00:14.59 | foxlit | Jerub: they're inconvenient. |
| 00:15.13 | WobWork | foxlit: -healing- is inconvenient |
| 00:15.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll over HoT the tank.. but that is about it |
| 00:15.18 | foxlit | Nah. |
| 00:15.26 | Kraps | i have 2 buttons on my mouse |
| 00:15.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: weak. I've got 5. |
| 00:15.41 | foxlit | I tend to click-to-target during GCDs. |
| 00:15.44 | WobWork | the majority of my heals, are actually referred heals for my shammy |
| 00:15.55 | foxlit | Works well enough, just forces you to plan a step in advance. |
| 00:15.58 | Jerub | i have all my common stuff with no modifiers (left=rejuv, middle=regrowth, 4th=nourish) |
| 00:16.10 | WobWork | I heal the tank, and let ancestral healing fill up the dps if they don't take a hit |
| 00:16.20 | Jerub | then shift for LB, nourish, WG and decurse |
| 00:16.41 | WobWork | works similarly with his druid |
| 00:16.50 | foxlit | I could actually use M4/M5 for curse/poison removal |
| 00:16.51 | Jerub | then control for my ohshits, NS+HT and SM. |
| 00:17.07 | WobWork | that's really useful |
| 00:17.13 | Jerub | i think i put control+shift left and right for decurse and depoison last night |
| 00:17.19 | WobWork | I miss cleansing totem -terribly- while on my druid |
| 00:17.22 | Jerub | i recently got a new pc and had to rebind everything |
| 00:17.36 | foxlit | But basically, modifier keys are crammed in a corner of a keyboard that is not well-connected to everything else |
| 00:17.43 | WobWork | I have innervate as alt-b5 |
| 00:17.50 | WobWork | and rebirth as ctrl-b5 |
| 00:17.52 | foxlit | I have innervate in an OPie ring :) |
| 00:18.02 | Jerub | WobWork: i had one of those 'moments' in icc25, "btw brandi, you and i are the only two that can decurse, you have to decurse everyone on the left side of the room" |
| 00:18.02 | WobWork | foxlit: bah, that requires targetting |
| 00:18.13 | WobWork | Jerub: ugh |
| 00:18.13 | Jerub | and i was like, "BUT I HAVE NO KEYBINDINGS OMGOMGOMGOMG THE FIGHT IS STARTING" |
| 00:18.24 | foxlit | along with rebirth, barkskin, tranquility, and other crap. |
| 00:18.33 | WobWork | gcd limited decursing is so stressful =P |
| 00:18.40 | Jerub | clique won't open the interface if you're in combat, i nearly didn't make it to the right place in the spellbook |
| 00:18.58 | Fisker | http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ heh |
| 00:19.04 | Jerub | WobWork: my revive+rebirth are on control. |
| 00:19.06 | Jerub | er alt. |
| 00:19.07 | foxlit | Clique config probably isn't secure to begin with |
| 00:19.14 | WobWork | lemme put it this way, with mousebound rebirth and innervate, I was able to res and innervate the healer twice in PoS as the tank on Ick/Eck and ScourgeLord |
| 00:19.43 | WobWork | it was a terribly stressful run =P |
| 00:19.43 | Jerub | WobWork: glyph of rebirth ftw. |
| 00:19.45 | foxlit | I don't see how that makes a difference, really :) |
| 00:20.09 | WobWork | it means I didn't have to worry about retargetting and then pressing hot keys |
| 00:20.15 | Jerub | i'm using ouf_freebgrid and it doesn't show when folks are low on mana |
| 00:20.31 | Lopeppeppy | If you like it, it makes a HUGE difference. if you don't, it's not useful to you. |
| 00:20.31 | WobWork | I -really- like freebgrid for remaining HoT heal levels |
| 00:20.33 | foxlit | You target, you wait for the appropriate moment, you cast, and you TAB. |
| 00:20.49 | Jerub | yeah, having a rebirth be a single GCD unit of time between rolling rejuvs and nourishes in a hardcore fight is where the merit is. |
| 00:20.51 | WobWork | foxlit: as the tank? =P |
| 00:20.55 | Jerub | wait, 1.5second. |
| 00:21.19 | Jerub | WobWork: i love LB+rejuv with freebgrid, but i want regrowth times :( |
| 00:21.24 | foxlit | WobWork: I don't see the issue. Your hide is already unsafe since you're in human form. |
| 00:21.30 | Jerub | and i had a version that showed pets on it, but after an upgrade they disappeared :( |
| 00:21.45 | Jerub | foxlit: barkskin |
| 00:21.46 | WobWork | foxlit: human? What sort of druid -are- you? =P |
| 00:21.54 | WobWork | pft |
| 00:22.01 | foxlit | Jerub: fat load of help that is versus bosses :) |
| 00:22.12 | WobWork | You just have to time it right |
| 00:22.26 | WobWork | you have enough time on Eck if you're not being pursued |
| 00:22.27 | foxlit | Agree -- it all comes down to timing. |
| 00:22.36 | WobWork | and if you're kiting the Scougelord through the frost |
| 00:22.41 | Jerub | WobWork: i had a wonderful moment in a wow discussion when i was feeling awesome about how cool druids are, and someone turned around to me and said, "hey classes toons are people too" and i said, "nono, other classes are people /only/" :P |
| 00:22.54 | Jerub | foxlit: you have no idea how many times i've rebirthed successfully as tank. |
| 00:23.03 | foxlit | But then it has nothing to do with the binding, really -- you need to identify an opportunate moment anyway. |
| 00:23.32 | WobWork | but clickbinding removes the requirement for targetting |
| 00:23.47 | WobWork | so less to have to manage |
| 00:23.56 | foxlit | Which saves you nothing if you target it advance. |
| 00:23.56 | Jerub | I get told off for hitting rebirth on the healer when i'm tanking, but man, we end up not wiping and i don't die, so i don't see the problem. |
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| 00:24.09 | Jerub | foxlit: can't untarget your targetif you're tanking, not for a second. |
| 00:24.13 | WobWork | foxlit: which takes preparation =P |
| 00:24.22 | WobWork | and management |
| 00:24.28 | WobWork | which you don't need if you clickbind =P |
| 00:24.29 | foxlit | Jerub: why? |
| 00:25.00 | WobWork | foxlit: tbh, we're arguing two different things here |
| 00:25.04 | Jerub | foxlit: because targetting the right one again will take tab targetting :) |
| 00:25.08 | WobWork | You're saying that it's all possible if you prepare for it. |
| 00:25.10 | Jerub | anyway, that's being a drood tank. |
| 00:25.10 | WobWork | And we agree |
| 00:25.21 | WobWork | we're saying you need to do less if you clickbind |
| 00:25.30 | WobWork | which doesn't preclude preparation |
| 00:25.34 | WobWork | it just mitigates it |
| 00:26.17 | Jerub | what i said to begin with: not using clickhealing means you're intentionally using over twice the human interaction as click healing, is the key to this. |
| 00:26.28 | Jerub | sure, it's possible to use twice as much, but the beneift is uh. negative. |
| 00:26.47 | WobWork | in any case, back to the original issue, Kraps, what's your gear like? =) |
| 00:26.47 | foxlit | I'd argue that there is no net change. |
| 00:27.13 | Kraps | WobWork: im level 70. pls dont hate me |
| 00:27.27 | WobWork | You want to heal. That's already a bonus =P |
| 00:27.33 | Jerub | foxlit: between click+keypress and click, there is an exact doubling. |
| 00:27.55 | WobWork | Kraps: keep earthshield up at all times on the tank |
| 00:28.06 | WobWork | refresh it between pulls when you have the mana spare |
| 00:28.30 | WobWork | make sure you only chain heal if there is more than just the tank in melee range |
| 00:28.37 | Kraps | does clique have an UI button? |
| 00:28.38 | WobWork | or if you're certain the ranged are close together |
| 00:28.47 | WobWork | Kraps: yeah, it's in the spellbook |
| 00:28.48 | foxlit | It's in the spellbook |
| 00:28.59 | Kraps | oh |
| 00:29.10 | WobWork | lesser healing wave spam is good if you're glyphed for it |
| 00:29.34 | WobWork | as is riptide |
| 00:29.48 | WobWork | riptide when you can for the bonuses |
| 00:30.07 | WobWork | Shaman healing is mostly knowing where everyone is |
| 00:30.11 | Jerub | i should level a shaman. |
| 00:30.15 | WobWork | shaman are fun =) |
| 00:30.25 | foxlit | shamans are annoying. |
| 00:30.31 | Kraps | im 6 levels away from riptide :( |
| 00:30.32 | foxlit | Or, rather, I'm jealous of all that CH efficiency. |
| 00:30.32 | Jerub | all my tank classes are tied up, need to level some healers i guess. |
| 00:30.33 | WobWork | That's what I said =P |
| 00:30.35 | foxlit | Curse you, WG |
| 00:30.48 | WobWork | Kraps: no worries |
| 00:31.12 | WobWork | as with any healer, try to learn how encounters will deal damage |
| 00:31.18 | WobWork | especially aoe damage |
| 00:31.26 | WobWork | like, for example, in UK |
| 00:31.40 | WobWork | the pulls around the forge, and any pull with the casters, have the chance of that flame aoe |
| 00:31.45 | WobWork | which you can purge off them |
| 00:31.56 | foxlit | [In UK, if you see anyone calling themselves The Doctor, run for your life] |
| 00:31.56 | WobWork | which will save you a -hell- of a lot of stress |
| 00:32.06 | WobWork | s/Doctor/Master/ |
| 00:32.21 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: even without the glyph LHW isn't that bad. |
| 00:32.26 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: indeed =) |
| 00:32.28 | foxlit | But it's the Doctor that has a widely-advertised history of being around horrible events. |
| 00:32.41 | Kraps | cool! :o |
| 00:32.46 | WobWork | foxlit: libel |
| 00:32.52 | Kraps | clique is |
| 00:32.54 | WobWork | or is that.. the other one |
| 00:33.13 | NightHawkTheSane | slander |
| 00:33.15 | WobWork | Kraps: keybind leftbutton to purge and right to wind shear for offensive actions |
| 00:33.18 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: ta =) |
| 00:33.34 | WobWork | then you can tabshift through the npcs and purge all their buffs =) |
| 00:33.53 | Kraps | sick |
| 00:33.54 | WobWork | and maybe modifier left for hex |
| 00:34.13 | foxlit | Meh, put purge on like ` |
| 00:34.14 | WobWork | I love how clique can do that with friendly and nonfriendly targets |
| 00:34.23 | foxlit | tab-`-tab-`-tab-` is easier to spam :) |
| 00:34.32 | WobWork | foxlit: possibly =) |
| 00:34.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i have purge as 1 |
| 00:34.39 | WobWork | but that's run, for me |
| 00:34.39 | foxlit | [Actually, no it's not] |
| 00:34.50 | WobWork | yeah, you have to move your whole hand for that |
| 00:34.56 | foxlit | tab-3 is probably the easiest, thing get worse as you get away from that magic key |
| 00:35.02 | WobWork | but then again, you won't be -moving- much as a healer in that situation |
| 00:35.27 | WobWork | Purge is so underused by shaman |
| 00:35.33 | WobWork | like spellsteal for mages |
| 00:35.54 | Jerub | i have power auras set up for spellsteal |
| 00:35.56 | Jerub | it rocks. |
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| 00:36.01 | Jerub | 'omg SPELLS SQUEE' |
| 00:36.01 | foxlit | But it requires awareness |
| 00:36.06 | Jerub | I love UK |
| 00:36.08 | foxlit | While the whole debuff setup is counter-awareness |
| 00:36.23 | Jerub | foxlit: hence lovely things like power auras. |
| 00:36.23 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.24 | WobWork | foxlit: yeah, I'll rephrase... "Awareness is so underused by players..." =P |
| 00:36.29 | Jerub | even if it is apparently a mana hog |
| 00:36.52 | Jerub | er cpu hog |
| 00:36.58 | foxlit | It's frequently the case that by the time you manage to figure out what a debuff does, it's either expired or removed by someone |
| 00:37.04 | WobWork | Jerub: I was going to write a spellsteal addon, just so I could name it Yoink |
| 00:37.18 | WobWork | foxlit: and not even then =) |
| 00:37.35 | WobWork | a good majority of debuffs, I have no idea what they do because they expire so quickly |
| 00:37.35 | foxlit | I need to write me a grid plugin, I think. |
| 00:37.49 | foxlit | Just to pick up on the spells/debuffs used by bosses and allow me to choose whether I want to be notified |
| 00:37.51 | WobWork | I need one that reports what each debuff did during a fight |
| 00:37.59 | WobWork | after combat |
| 00:37.59 | Jerub | WobWork: yeah, that'd be good. |
| 00:38.08 | foxlit | Probably even during |
| 00:38.15 | Jerub | WobWork: like who cares if it did 500dps to the tank. |
| 00:38.20 | WobWork | aye, if it can be easily classified |
| 00:38.26 | Jerub | but i want to know if it's "does 12000 damage when it expires after 10 seconds" |
| 00:38.38 | foxlit | [Hai2u, LK] |
| 00:38.48 | WobWork | oh god I hate those casters in OK |
| 00:38.53 | foxlit | Only it's like 40k after 4 |
| 00:38.56 | Kraps | ` is autorun for me |
| 00:39.03 | foxlit | ] is my autorun |
| 00:39.04 | WobWork | as a healer and as a beartank |
| 00:39.18 | WobWork | foxlit: why is your hand over there? =) |
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| 00:39.25 | Kraps | good idea foxlit |
| 00:39.25 | foxlit | WobWork: because I'm auto-running! |
| 00:39.31 | NightHawkTheSane | because he's auto-running :P |
| 00:39.43 | WobWork | I still steer with the mouse while running =P |
| 00:39.52 | foxlit | It's a toggle, though |
| 00:40.07 | NightHawkTheSane | you dont really use auto-run in combat so.. it doesnt really matter where |
| 00:40.11 | foxlit | If it's a short run segment, I usually use LMB+RMB |
| 00:40.23 | WobWork | >< |
| 00:40.26 | foxlit | If I'm traveling, I can afford to hit any key |
| 00:40.30 | WobWork | I tried translating that into a spell acronym |
| 00:40.40 | foxlit | Lesser Mountain Bear |
| 00:40.42 | WobWork | Lesser.. Mana... Blast? |
| 00:40.42 | Jerub | i use wasd during combat |
| 00:41.10 | foxlit | Jerub: that too; depends on the exact circumstances. |
| 00:41.22 | WobWork | One thing that irritated me last night on PoS |
| 00:41.24 | foxlit | qwe more than wasd, though |
| 00:41.35 | WobWork | was that if I got too close to the Scougelord while he was mounted |
| 00:41.38 | WobWork | I couldn't target him |
| 00:41.46 | WobWork | as a bear |
| 00:42.01 | WobWork | cause I couldn't swing the camera sufficently to get him into view |
| 00:42.09 | WobWork | it's like I had no neck =P |
| 00:42.52 | Jerub | WobWork: heh, yeah |
| 00:44.38 | Kraps | WobWork: how do you use offensive spells with clique? |
| 00:44.47 | WobWork | there's a dropdown to the right |
| 00:44.53 | WobWork | where you select the 'type' of interaction |
| 00:45.10 | WobWork | friendly, etc |
| 00:45.19 | Kraps | yeah, but to cast them |
| 00:45.30 | Kraps | click the mob? |
| 00:45.31 | WobWork | you target the mob and click on their unitframe |
| 00:45.33 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtgDFmcQWp4 |
| 00:45.52 | WobWork | it's why you'll have to tabspam to get to them, generally |
| 00:45.53 | Kraps | i guessed that a second before you said it |
| 00:46.08 | WobWork | I have a SexyCooldown bar set to current target |
| 00:46.13 | foxlit | I don't know what to make of that. |
| 00:46.14 | WobWork | so it's easy to see the buffs on them |
| 00:46.24 | WobWork | is it sfw, foxlit? |
| 00:46.36 | foxlit | Unless your work has a no-slacking policy, sure. |
| 00:47.03 | NightHawkTheSane | don't most? :P |
| 00:47.12 | WobWork | I'll watch that at lunch =P |
| 00:47.20 | foxlit | (It's 18 seconds) |
| 00:47.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i dont know what to make of that either |
| 00:47.52 | NightHawkTheSane | except perhaps that i need more lsd. |
| 00:48.16 | Shadowed | That's the conclusion I came to NightHawkTheSane |
| 00:48.20 | WobWork | hell |
| 00:48.23 | WobWork | I'll watch it =P |
| 00:48.24 | foxlit | lesser... sentry... d? |
| 00:48.49 | foxlit | ~google lsd |
| 00:50.19 | foxlit | wru, purl. |
| 00:50.31 | Kraps | WobWork: what are your heal settings in clique? |
| 00:50.58 | foxlit | Interesting how there are virtually no other acronym expansions on the first page of search results |
| 00:59.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Personally, I have HW as shift-LMB, LHW as shift-RMB, chain heal as ctrl-LMB, earth shield as ctrl-RMB, cleanse spirit as alt-LMB, and riptide as alt-RMB. |
| 00:59.26 | NightHawkTheSane | and, thats generally it |
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| 01:05.04 | Kraps | cool cool |
| 01:09.31 | Kraps | which one of you is Cladhaire? |
| 01:09.50 | Ackis | do I need to log into wow for it to patch still, or will it do it via the launcher? |
| 01:09.57 | Ackis | Kraps: jnwhiteh |
| 01:09.57 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: isn't HW a non-started for level 80 shaman healing? |
| 01:09.59 | WobWork | personally, HW: LMB, LHW:RMB, CH:Shift-LMB, EarthShield:B5, Riptide:B4 |
| 01:10.12 | WobWork | Jerub: depends on your haste |
| 01:10.17 | Jerub | oh right |
| 01:10.21 | Jerub | i need to stack more haste. |
| 01:10.26 | WobWork | riptided hasted HW is pretty decent booster |
| 01:10.35 | WobWork | with 2pc T10 |
| 01:10.40 | Jerub | awesome |
| 01:10.53 | Ackis | CanadaAckis completed the game Halo 2 (PC) <-- I R MASTER CHIEF! |
| 01:11.01 | Jerub | i've decided to get my T10 heal stuff instead of going for 4T10 tank set |
| 01:11.04 | WobWork | but yeah normally LHW spam does what I need |
| 01:11.16 | WobWork | Jerub: wait |
| 01:11.27 | WobWork | druids have a -decent- 4pc set bonus? |
| 01:11.36 | WobWork | STOP THE PRESSES =P |
| 01:11.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: yeah, i dont use HW often, but when I want it, i dont want to hunt for it. |
| 01:11.44 | Jerub | WobWork: on tank set yes. |
| 01:11.47 | NightHawkTheSane | as usually i want to land a fast/instant heal on a tnak :P |
| 01:11.47 | WobWork | omg |
| 01:12.10 | Jerub | WobWork: 4T10 for bears is "turn enrage into a second barkskin" |
| 01:12.13 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: alt+ctrl LMB = Instantised HW |
| 01:12.27 | WobWork | (NS + that other one) |
| 01:12.31 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: yeah, i need to set that up, i keep being lazy |
| 01:12.44 | NightHawkTheSane | most of the time i can hit alt-1 and shift-lmb fast enough :P |
| 01:12.44 | Ackis | do I need to log into wow for it to patch still, or will it do it via the launcher? |
| 01:12.55 | WobWork | I'm learning to use my cooldowns more often while playing a rogue |
| 01:13.13 | WobWork | but I still hold back using it on my healers |
| 01:13.40 | WobWork | I tend to use the instant heals only if I have to move while casting |
| 01:13.48 | WobWork | otherwise I'll hope the LHWspam will keep them up =) |
| 01:13.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont use NS unless i think i -really- need that ns-HW to save someone. but i dont think twice about it if i do |
| 01:14.05 | Jerub | WobWork: so yes, druids have a decent 4 piece bonus :) |
| 01:14.09 | WobWork | and riptide + LHW is ridiculously fast |
| 01:14.09 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, with 2-piece t10 i -love- riptide |
| 01:14.14 | WobWork | this ^^^^^ |
| 01:14.25 | NightHawkTheSane | riptide-CH is crazy awesome too |
| 01:14.38 | WobWork | and it has the awesome spiritshoveltusk animation on the shoulders =) |
| 01:14.43 | NightHawkTheSane | my LHW is already like 1.2ish with my passive haste |
| 01:15.04 | WobWork | what's your haste at? |
| 01:15.16 | WobWork | I'm just getting to about 18% =\ |
| 01:16.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Ah, it just dropped to about ~850 haste rating, as i grabbed the t10 head & pants for my 4 piece. |
| 01:16.28 | NightHawkTheSane | not sure what that translates to in percentage :P |
| 01:17.29 | frontendloader | anyone have an addon in mind I could rip a progress bar template out of >_> |
| 01:17.46 | Shadowed | There's not really anything to it frontendloader p |
| 01:17.54 | Shadowed | create statusbar, put texture on it |
| 01:18.11 | frontendloader | resize texture to create fill effect |
| 01:18.22 | Shadowed | Hrm? Use a StatusBar, it's easier |
| 01:18.35 | frontendloader | oh theres a frame type named CreateFrame("StatusBar")? |
| 01:18.39 | Shadowed | yes |
| 01:19.37 | Shadowed | ~api StatusBar |
| 01:19.38 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_StatusBar |
| 01:19.41 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 01:19.43 | Shadowed | !api StatusBar |
| 01:19.44 | lua_bot | Found 12 possible results for 'StatusBar': StatusBar:SetStatusBarColor, StatusBar:SetStatusBarTexture, StatusBar:SetValue, StatusBar:GetOrientation, StatusBar:SetRotatesTexture, StatusBar:SetMinMaxValues, StatusBar:GetRotatesTexture, StatusBar:GetMinMaxValues, StatusBar:SetOrientation, StatusBar:GetStatusBarTexture, StatusBar:GetValue, StatusBar:GetStatusBarColor |
| 01:19.49 | Shadowed | k that's not very useful |
| 01:20.11 | Shadowed | frontendloader: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets#statusbar |
| 01:20.46 | WobWork | shadowed, what's the EG page? |
| 01:20.53 | Shadowed | http://www.elitistarmory.com WobWork |
| 01:20.57 | WobWork | ta |
| 01:22.14 | Kraps | i'm about to start the Keristrasza chain |
| 01:22.17 | Kraps | ach |
| 01:22.32 | NightHawkTheSane | should be planning for his d&d game on saturday... |
| 01:22.35 | NightHawkTheSane | is slacking off instead. |
| 01:22.48 | Jerub | i've been reading more niven and now i want to run another traveller game. |
| 01:22.52 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: oh. I have 24.54% haste |
| 01:23.04 | WobWork | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Proudmoore/snuupy |
| 01:23.35 | Shadowed | Way to not gem your gear1 |
| 01:23.35 | Kraps | finds tabletop RPGs fascinating |
| 01:23.50 | WobWork | Shadowed: inorite? |
| 01:23.59 | WobWork | I only just got 450 JC |
| 01:24.02 | Kraps | where can i watch some being played? |
| 01:24.05 | WobWork | which is why I've been putting it off |
| 01:24.23 | WobWork | so slowly building the tokens to buy the cuts I want |
| 01:25.07 | DWSR | EMBRACE THE MARTIANS, AND THIS IS HOW THEY SOUND http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-akN6pHn-k |
| 01:25.35 | Kraps | WobWork: are there supposed to be tooltips on that page? |
| 01:25.59 | Shadowed | Kraps: Depends where? |
| 01:26.04 | Shadowed | There should be tooltips on most of it |
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| 01:27.14 | Kraps | yeah, noscript flt |
| 01:28.32 | Shadowed | Can't exactly show tooltips without noscript :P |
| 01:28.44 | Shadowed | s/without/with/ |
| 01:29.27 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 01:29.28 | purl | aw, gee, Lopeppeppy |
| 01:29.40 | Kraps | even when i used the hotkey to allow the current page |
| 01:30.20 | Lopeppeppy | you often have to do that multiple times with a site that is heavily scripted |
| 01:31.10 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: http://elitistarmory.com/US/Laughing%20Skull/Kybelis is me |
| 01:31.10 | Shadowed | It's probably due to the fact that it runs the tooltip hooks on page load |
| 01:31.18 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: 33.86% haste it seems. |
| 01:31.59 | Shadowed | So if you enable noscript after the page loads, it probably won't run the hooks |
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| 01:33.18 | Kraps | or... i could uninstall it |
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| 01:41.58 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: =( I'll never get a shield upgrade =( |
| 01:46.58 | frontendloader | quick someone name a texture! |
| 01:47.25 | frontendloader | that I can set my bar to |
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| 01:50.26 | Lopeppeppy | steel |
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| 01:56.29 | Kraps | 1. the red dragonflight is weak |
| 01:56.33 | DWSR | WTB DPS who do more than 500 DPS at level 79 |
| 01:56.43 | Kraps | 2. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU MALYGOS |
| 01:57.19 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: no toc pugs? :\ |
| 01:57.22 | DWSR | frontendloader: Hal K. |
| 01:59.55 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: hardly ever seen =( |
| 02:00.32 | A-KO | what's your guys' healing strat on dreamwalker 25? :P need some pointers....we have no holy pallies... |
| 02:00.52 | WobWork | 25 and no holy pallies? |
| 02:00.56 | WobWork | that's pretty impressive |
| 02:01.14 | A-KO | 2 shamans, 1 holy priest, 1 disc priest, and me (resto druid) |
| 02:01.29 | WobWork | get some of the ret pallies to respec =) |
| 02:01.49 | A-KO | we have 1 ret pally.....2 prot pallies that off spec ret when needed |
| 02:03.35 | WobWork | I have no experience on DW, so I can't offer anything except encouragement |
| 02:03.41 | WobWork | "You can do it! Woo!" |
| 02:04.21 | DWSR | Can DKs use Staves? |
| 02:04.22 | Kraps | why does it need a holy pally? |
| 02:04.31 | A-KO | they do the most amount of single target healing... |
| 02:04.32 | WobWork | not afaik |
| 02:05.25 | WobWork | DWSR: then again, staves hardly ever have DK stats on them |
| 02:05.38 | WobWork | and you'd look silly |
| 02:06.36 | WobWork | "The only classes not able to wield staves are Paladins, Death Knights, and Rogues. " |
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| 02:17.53 | kd3 | I'm not sure I could imagine a worse place to commit a crime... fark: "[News] You can't shoot in here, this is the Pentagon" |
| 02:17.59 | kd3 | http://abcnews.go.com/US/pentagon-shots-fired-police-officers-reported-injured/story?id=10014570 |
| 02:21.52 | NightHawkTheSane | the gummi de milo! |
| 02:22.01 | NightHawkTheSane | http://i.imgur.com/J2yn3.jpg |
| 02:23.30 | NightHawkTheSane | better link! holy priest, 1 disc priest, and me (resto druid) |
| 02:23.34 | NightHawkTheSane | hm |
| 02:23.39 | NightHawkTheSane | that was not the link |
| 02:23.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont even remember copying that |
| 02:23.49 | NightHawkTheSane | http://tangrala.blogspot.com/2008/02/gummi-venus-de-milo.html |
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| 02:27.26 | WobWork | kd3: A gun show |
| 02:27.46 | WobWork | if only worse due to possible collateral damage |
| 02:27.48 | kd3 | that or a donut shop |
| 02:27.54 | WobWork | Or perhaps a Snipers convention |
| 02:29.46 | DJJeff | (yawn) |
| 02:29.47 | DJJeff | http://i45.tinypic.com/16m0xog.jpg |
| 02:29.49 | DJJeff | ftw |
| 02:29.52 | DJJeff | (sigh) |
| 02:29.58 | DJJeff | drake in the underbelly |
| 02:35.18 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. There is no -really- good os x twitter client, is there. |
| 02:37.20 | DWSR | <NightHawkTheSane>hm. There is no -really- good twitter. <- fixt. |
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| 02:37.32 | WobWork | DJJeff: ....and? |
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| 02:49.33 | WobWork | chicken salt is a terrible additive |
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| 02:50.07 | WobWork | it makes chips too ridiculously tasty |
| 02:51.16 | WobWork | yet the msg makes me so incredibly thirsty =P |
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| 03:29.28 | NightHawkTheSane | http://web.mit.edu/jcb/humor/missing-server |
| 03:36.43 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GNnftq744I |
| 03:38.04 | Kraps | why. are. dungeons. so. painful. |
| 03:38.22 | WobWork | because you don't outgear them |
| 03:38.34 | Kraps | :( |
| 03:39.07 | WobWork | where's the problem? |
| 03:39.16 | WobWork | tank taking too much damage? |
| 03:39.21 | WobWork | dps eating too much aoe? |
| 03:39.43 | WobWork | Not waiting on mana for pull? |
| 03:41.15 | Kraps | tank taking too much damage |
| 03:41.52 | WobWork | are they appropriately geared? |
| 03:42.08 | WobWork | and talented? |
| 03:42.16 | kdtresh | is it too much burst damage or is dps too low and they can't hold out long enough? |
| 03:42.41 | WobWork | what's their name/server, we'll snoop em |
| 03:43.24 | Kraps | i feel like its all of them, so maybe i need to l2p |
| 03:43.53 | kdtresh | are you healing? |
| 03:44.46 | Kraps | yes |
| 03:45.13 | Jerub | Kraps: you're doing this at level 70? right? |
| 03:45.20 | Kraps | yes |
| 03:45.22 | Jerub | Kraps: i'm guessing the tanks aren't correctly geared. |
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| 03:46.32 | Jerub | Kraps: by 'correctly' i mean BC heroic gear or NR greens/blues. |
| 03:47.10 | Jerub | because at 70 with the way wotlk is at the moment, it's very easy to be sufficiently geared by BC just popped 70 standards but undergeared by NR gear standards. |
| 03:47.14 | Jerub | things should even out by 73 |
| 03:47.39 | Kraps | nobody does that Jerub |
| 03:49.44 | Jerub | Kraps: it only takes a few quests to get NR greens |
| 03:49.53 | Jerub | and a few random dungeons to be in NR blues. |
| 03:50.10 | Jerub | which is possible if you've been running UK since 68 and done a few quest chains. |
| 03:51.00 | Kraps | i havent |
| 03:51.37 | Kraps | i have quests in nexus |
| 03:52.31 | DWSR | NHTS: Rofl |
| 03:53.51 | Jerub | Kraps: one day you'll get a zorba tank and he'll blitz the instance wearing his patent leather shoulders on a dk tank |
| 03:54.08 | DWSR | Jerub: What's wrong with that? I do it all the time. |
| 03:54.28 | Jerub | DWSR: zorba has made comments about the omgwtfdknoob responses he gets when he does it. |
| 03:54.35 | Jerub | oh speaking of such things. |
| 03:54.42 | Jerub | why the hell can't you just duplicate BoA gear |
| 03:54.44 | Kraps | uk fail |
| 03:55.07 | Jerub | i mean, you're just going to mail it between toons, why not save the login/logout times and make it duplicate itself when you mail it? |
| 03:55.15 | Kraps | not enough dps for the 2 guys boss |
| 03:55.26 | DWSR | Kraps: "Not enough DPS"? |
| 03:55.29 | DWSR | It's not a DPS race. |
| 03:55.30 | WobWork | The tanks that have done their work will be in cobalt defense gear at 70 if they're plate wearers |
| 03:55.43 | WobWork | DWSR: it is if your healer has limited mana |
| 03:55.56 | Kraps | DWSR: lol i was nearing oom territory |
| 03:56.03 | DWSR | WobWork: Heal fail. |
| 03:56.16 | WobWork | DWSR: eh, not something that can easily be fixed |
| 03:56.18 | Kraps | DWSR: you're kidding |
| 03:56.22 | Jerub | especially not at level 70 |
| 03:56.26 | WobWork | DWSR is an elitist |
| 03:56.32 | WobWork | he could heal everyone and their dog at 70 |
| 03:56.38 | WobWork | and not go below 95% |
| 03:57.02 | DWSR | I don't actually cast heals. |
| 03:57.11 | DWSR | I just stare at the health bars and they refuse to move below 100%. |
| 03:57.29 | WobWork | (in other words, Kraps, ignore the troll =P) |
| 03:57.36 | Kraps | everyone takes so much damage that if i can do 5 pulls without drinking its "wow" |
| 03:57.57 | WobWork | Kraps: purge the fire shields |
| 03:58.01 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:58.05 | WobWork | and ask that the tank move them away from the bombs |
| 03:58.18 | WobWork | that'll help with the incidental party damage |
| 03:58.29 | DWSR | Yeah. Smart tanks mitigate a lot more than just damage to themselves. |
| 03:58.42 | WobWork | DWSR: hehe |
| 03:58.42 | WobWork | hehe |
| 03:58.44 | WobWork | smart tanks |
| 03:58.45 | WobWork | hehe |
| 03:58.46 | Kraps | and the 2 guys boss had insane aoe damage |
| 03:58.47 | WobWork | at 70 |
| 03:59.08 | DWSR | WobWork: Meh, I'm a reasonably intelligent tank. |
| 03:59.15 | Kraps | not to mention the guy rushing me |
| 03:59.23 | WobWork | unfortunately, 70 is about the time the serious tanks decide to start learning |
| 03:59.25 | DWSR | WobWork: Don't stand in X, don't turn your back to the mobs, there anything else to know before raids? |
| 03:59.30 | WobWork | Kraps: definitely stay close |
| 03:59.32 | DWSR | Kraps: Stand in melee range. |
| 03:59.35 | DWSR | And don't be nubbin. |
| 03:59.43 | A-KO | http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2010/03/kraig_monroe_charged_in_beating_of_amanda_runyon_age_2.php < There aren't too many times where I think the most horrific set of torture should be used on someone, but this guy deserves the worst humanity can think of. |
| 04:00.19 | kd3 | oh I read that |
| 04:00.26 | kd3 | it took a lot to get my blood to stop boiling |
| 04:00.34 | Kraps | DWSR: do new tanks know these things? |
| 04:00.56 | WobWork | A-KO: holy crap |
| 04:00.57 | DWSR | Kraps: Know to stand in melee range? Most of the time, they don't have a choice. ;) |
| 04:01.05 | A-KO | yeah WobWork, no shit. |
| 04:01.20 | DWSR | Kraps: Don't stand in X, don't turn your back to the mobs? Yeah. That's like tanking 101. |
| 04:01.29 | DWSR | Liberal usage of cooldowns comes with practice and experience. |
| 04:01.50 | WobWork | DWSR: I had to teach our tank last night not to stand in front of end boss dude of UK |
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| 04:01.57 | DWSR | WobWork: fail. |
| 04:02.04 | WobWork | yeah, but pretty indicative |
| 04:02.23 | WobWork | that whole run was terrible |
| 04:02.29 | WobWork | went through about three tanks |
| 04:02.39 | DWSR | WobWork: I suppose it depends on the person at the end of the keyboard though |
| 04:02.48 | DWSR | WobWork: If it's their first time through the content, I'm a bit more forgiving. |
| 04:02.54 | DWSR | If it's an alt, then you're fucking out of my group. |
| 04:03.05 | WobWork | oh it wasn't an alt |
| 04:03.08 | WobWork | with his spellpower shoulders |
| 04:03.12 | WobWork | (being a warrior) |
| 04:03.16 | Kraps | lal |
| 04:03.39 | WobWork | DWSR: problem also is that tanks and healers are a lot more sparse at that level |
| 04:03.47 | WobWork | so booting the tank results in very long waits |
| 04:04.07 | DWSR | WobWork: Guess his taunt wasn't taunting enough? |
| 04:04.26 | WobWork | I think he had taunt down well enough |
| 04:04.36 | WobWork | less so on the whole aoe aggro thing |
| 04:04.40 | WobWork | but that's never easy for warriors |
| 04:04.48 | kd3 | aoe aggro's kinda tough for warriors |
| 04:05.05 | WobWork | one wolf ate the healer from healing aggro =( |
| 04:05.18 | WobWork | I was wishing for a taunt button as a rogue =P |
| 04:05.28 | DWSR | Blind, kthx. |
| 04:05.34 | DWSR | also, Wolves have a Fixate. |
| 04:05.34 | WobWork | oh hey |
| 04:05.42 | WobWork | the UK ones? |
| 04:05.46 | DWSR | yes |
| 04:05.47 | WobWork | I didn't know that |
| 04:05.53 | WobWork | I guess they usually die so fast anyway |
| 04:05.54 | DWSR | fail |
| 04:06.43 | WobWork | lies |
| 04:06.46 | WobWork | DWSRFail |
| 04:06.52 | WobWork | they have pounce and enrage |
| 04:06.56 | WobWork | but no fixate |
| 04:07.28 | DWSR | They most certainly have a fixate, unless it was removed. |
| 04:07.46 | DWSR | also, might be heroic only. |
| 04:08.05 | DWSR | Now that I think about it. |
| 04:08.09 | kdtresh | it's kinda silly how little i have to wait queueing as a heal/tank in lfg |
| 04:08.11 | kd3 | lmfao: "Ubisoft's New DRM Cracked In One Day" |
| 04:08.36 | DWSR | kd3: lets see? |
| 04:08.44 | DWSR | kdtresh: Yeah, I know. |
| 04:08.45 | kd3 | http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/05/027258/Ubisofts-New-DRM-Cracked-In-One-Day |
| 04:08.47 | Jerub | again: pirates win, legit people lose |
| 04:08.56 | WobWork | http://sdn.sitecore.net/Articles/XML%20Sheer%20UI/My%20first%20XML%20application.aspx |
| 04:08.59 | WobWork | er |
| 04:09.01 | WobWork | pft |
| 04:09.10 | WobWork | can't clipboard across synergy =( |
| 04:09.28 | kdtresh | WobWork: why not? i always could |
| 04:09.37 | WobWork | dunno, could be this instance |
| 04:09.37 | DWSR | WobWork: Yes, you definitely can. |
| 04:09.39 | kdtresh | my synergy host was xp, what's yours? |
| 04:09.48 | Jerub | WobWork: which clipboard on what os? |
| 04:09.50 | WobWork | no, it was a statement of current fact =P |
| 04:10.00 | WobWork | I cannot clipboard currently across synergy right now =P |
| 04:10.02 | Jerub | WobWork: linux has 2-4 clipboards |
| 04:10.08 | Jerub | WobWork: which is why i ask |
| 04:10.09 | WobWork | XP to XP |
| 04:10.18 | Jerub | oh. fail to fail. i see. |
| 04:10.19 | WobWork | I probably just have to reconnect |
| 04:10.40 | kdtresh | i had them all hooked to a kvm, and the only time i got weird was when i was using clipboard on the specific hardware, not the host |
| 04:10.48 | WobWork | I push the envelope by not rebooting this computer for ages anyway |
| 04:10.50 | kdtresh | sometimes when they rebooted |
| 04:12.01 | DWSR | kd3: That's fucking hilarious |
| 04:13.25 | kd3 | and entirely expected |
| 04:13.30 | kd3 | there was no way it wasn't going to happen |
| 04:15.45 | DWSR | Yeah, I know. |
| 04:15.55 | WobWork | http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Super+Mario/2h9DC5 |
| 04:15.57 | DWSR | Which makes it, I don't know, that much sweeter? |
| 04:16.04 | WobWork | also, anyone who hasn't heard that ... should |
| 04:16.19 | Kraps | best debuff in the game |
| 04:16.23 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=50267 |
| 04:16.39 | kd3 | yes, yes it is |
| 04:17.24 | kdtresh | i always think all the murlocs' names remind me of "turd burglar" |
| 04:17.43 | DWSR | WobWork: Win |
| 04:19.02 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
| 04:19.04 | DWSR | SO MUCH WIN |
| 04:20.55 | kd3 | ! |
| 04:20.55 | Kraps | WobWork: haha! |
| 04:21.08 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 04:21.13 | DWSR | The first part was like "Ok, that's kinda good" |
| 04:21.14 | DWSR | And yeah. |
| 04:21.20 | DWSR | Then the awesome hit the fan. |
| 04:23.40 | kdtresh | heh, that is good stuff |
| 04:24.10 | Kraps | i think its illegal to have that much awesome in one clip |
| 04:24.15 | DWSR | http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/ |
| 04:24.18 | DWSR | ~Kraps++ |
| 04:25.54 | WobWork | I suggest you buy their album on itunes or amazon |
| 04:26.07 | WobWork | it has that track in it and a few other really good ones |
| 04:26.24 | WobWork | under BYU Vocal Point |
| 04:27.10 | WobWork | (especially the THX/Twentieth Centry Fox Intro =)) |
| 04:27.55 | frontendloader | do I need to put AHDumper = select(2, ...) |
| 04:27.56 | frontendloader | AHDumper = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon(AHDumper, "AHDumper", "AceEvent-3.0") |
| 04:28.02 | frontendloader | agh |
| 04:28.36 | frontendloader | do I need to put that second line in OnLoad if there are complaints about being unable to find a library instance of AceAddon? |
| 04:28.56 | kdtresh | http://thedyingbreed.com/mario.swf |
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| 04:31.48 | DWSR | SHIGGTY SHIGGGITY SHWA |
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| 04:32.12 | kdtresh | that's right idiot |
| 04:32.19 | kdtresh | heh |
| 04:33.03 | kdtresh | and now i have to find all the other random crap i've found and downloaded and uploaded over the years |
| 04:33.18 | kdtresh | as if that could be done in any small time frame |
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| 04:33.31 | cogwheel | if the money wasn't going to the mormon church i might buy a copy of that song :> |
| 04:33.31 | DWSR | kdtresh: You mean you can't make a montage? |
| 04:33.54 | kdtresh | if only memory could translate into a flash file |
| 04:35.41 | frontendloader | oh aparently the order you put things in the ToC file does matter then |
| 04:35.54 | DWSR | frontendloader: ..... |
| 04:37.31 | frontendloader | shocking discoveries |
| 04:38.30 | frontendloader | this wasn't an issue in my other addon because its name started with a T |
| 04:38.40 | frontendloader | this one starts with an A :/ |
| 04:38.46 | Kraps | is it ok to mess with a gold seller? |
| 04:39.00 | Jerub | Kraps: Y |
| 04:39.16 | WobWork | why are you asking a moral question here? |
| 04:39.21 | Kraps | lol |
| 04:39.36 | Kraps | one is whispering me now |
| 04:40.33 | DWSR | Kraps: Not only is it OK, but it is encouraged. |
| 04:42.03 | kdtresh | http://thedyingbreed.com/ayb4.swf |
| 04:42.50 | Kraps | [W To] [1:Loistiaa]: do you take [Caraway Burnwine] as payment? its good whiskey |
| 04:42.57 | Kraps | [W From] [1:Loistiaa]: sry ...i only accept momey here |
| 04:44.26 | kdtresh | and a bit more techno: http://thedyingbreed.com/ayb2.swf |
| 04:45.54 | DWSR | o |
| 04:51.31 | WobWork | Kraps: ask them for stuff |
| 04:51.37 | WobWork | but remove letters from your request |
| 04:51.41 | WobWork | more and more each time |
| 04:54.55 | Kraps | shes 22 years old, from bejing, studying international business |
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| 04:55.06 | Kraps | in college |
| 04:55.32 | DWSR | And she's selling gold? |
| 04:55.43 | DWSR | Ask her if she'll sell her body too |
| 04:55.56 | Jerub | tell her you need a wife and would like to have a photo. |
| 04:56.00 | Jerub | offer her a green card. |
| 04:56.05 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:56.40 | Jerub | (yes, this is morally acceptable) |
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| 05:01.59 | Kraps | she wants me to "order some g firstly" |
| 05:02.33 | Jerub | Kraps: what manner of speech is that to use with someone who is proposing marriage! |
| 05:02.55 | Kraps | copying |
| 05:05.52 | Kraps | apparently i'm funny |
| 05:07.35 | Jerub | Kraps: this is one of the many benefits of marrying an american! |
| 05:07.56 | Kraps | eh, shes not biting |
| 05:08.02 | Jerub | damn |
| 05:08.37 | NightHawkTheSane | try smearing some honey on your nipples. |
| 05:09.33 | Kraps | dude |
| 05:12.14 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, Weather: Groovy. http://imgur.com/aA8LQ |
| 05:19.48 | frontendloader | is using OnUpdate in a StatusBar itself a problem causer? |
| 05:20.42 | frontendloader | I've literally blanked it and even just having a SetScript("OnUpdate", function() end) causes the game to hang whenever I create the frame |
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| 05:34.19 | Kraps | this guy just swooped down on me and i took him out http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=32358 |
| 05:37.45 | WobWork | argh |
| 05:37.48 | WobWork | fiddler has undone me |
| 05:37.51 | WobWork | reboots |
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| 05:45.04 | Jerub | WobWork: lies, no windows xp machine could reboot in only 4 minutes |
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| 05:51.11 | DWSR | Jerub: I have an XP machine that reboots in under 10 seconds. |
| 05:51.38 | DWSR | well, had, anyway. |
| 05:51.44 | Jerub | which one of you muffins does wikipedia stuff? |
| 05:52.44 | DWSR | shirik |
| 05:53.44 | Jerub | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collatz_conjecture has a scatter plot and a line graph and neither of them follow the cardinal rule of grpahs: LABEL THE FUCKING GODDAMN AXES. |
| 05:59.08 | kd3 | click on the image, see who created it, yell on their talk page |
| 06:01.03 | frontendloader | does anywhere have swatches of all the different textures? |
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| 06:01.31 | frontendloader | oh hey art browser |
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| 06:42.52 | Ancu | anyone else see 2012 |
| 06:45.21 | Cide | nah |
| 06:45.27 | Cide | I was busy screaming for my life |
| 06:45.37 | Cide | oh wait that's what the movie is about |
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| 06:50.38 | krka | i decided to wait a few more years so i can relax a bit more |
| 06:51.53 | Cide | in the scream-for-your-life department? |
| 06:52.31 | krka | yes |
| 06:52.37 | Cide | tactical |
| 06:54.50 | Cide | time for INDA soon. |
| 06:55.07 | Cide | should ring a bell for krka |
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| 07:00.01 | krka | it does, but i can't quite place it |
| 07:00.06 | krka | introduction to computer science class? |
| 07:00.53 | krka | who is your teacher? |
| 07:00.58 | ZorbaTHut | don't worry, the world won't end in 2012 |
| 07:01.03 | ZorbaTHut | it ended almost a decade ago |
| 07:01.05 | ZorbaTHut | we just didn't notice. |
| 07:01.18 | Shirik | DWSR: what? |
| 07:01.23 | Shirik | Jerub: Why are you telling me? |
| 07:01.27 | Shirik | Cide: Why the hell are you still awake? |
| 07:01.31 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784 |
| 07:01.39 | Jerub | Shirik: i am assuming you are the sort of person who cares! |
| 07:01.41 | Cide | I woke up |
| 07:01.44 | Jerub | Shirik: I love being deluded. |
| 07:01.48 | Cide | I have this thing called school |
| 07:02.29 | krka | Shirik: heard about the concept "time zones"? |
| 07:02.41 | Shirik | I didn't think Cide was that far ahead of me |
| 07:02.49 | krka | most people are ;) |
| 07:02.49 | Cide | it's 8am |
| 07:02.58 | Cide | haha, bazinga |
| 07:04.03 | Shirik | Soap: I added Jéské Couriano into #12 |
| 07:04.06 | Shirik | whoops |
| 07:04.11 | krka | cide, which teacher? |
| 07:06.28 | Cide | Adam Renberg |
| 07:06.49 | Cide | Shirik: I'm +1 gmt |
| 07:06.56 | krka | hm, must be new |
| 07:07.03 | ZorbaTHut | I hate how they botched the item level for Outland LFD rewards :( |
| 07:07.14 | Cide | oh |
| 07:07.18 | Cide | that's my lab assistant |
| 07:07.28 | Cide | course teacher is Stefan Nilsson |
| 07:07.31 | krka | ah |
| 07:07.33 | krka | he's cool |
| 07:07.36 | krka | magic man! |
| 07:07.37 | Cide | yeah |
| 07:07.45 | krka | say hi from me :) |
| 07:07.47 | Cide | the lessons are kinda useless for this class though |
| 07:07.52 | Cide | lectures* |
| 07:07.55 | Cide | so I haven't met him in a while |
| 07:08.04 | krka | easy class is easy |
| 07:08.14 | Cide | yeah |
| 07:08.39 | krka | i wonder if goldmann is still at kth |
| 07:09.06 | krka | or if henrik eriksson is allowed to teach |
| 07:09.20 | krka | also say hi to henrik if you see him :) |
| 07:10.15 | Cide | Henrik Eriksson still teaches |
| 07:10.27 | Cide | he's hiding from the administration more or less |
| 07:11.08 | krka | did i gave you the general howto-guide for kth? 1) avoid DSV at all costs. 2) nada(csc) and s3 have all the coolest courses 3) avoid leif kusoffsky and kirsti mattila if possible |
| 07:11.20 | krka | that's such a bizarre situation |
| 07:11.51 | Cide | yes |
| 07:12.01 | Cide | didn't see 3) |
| 07:12.15 | Cide | why 3)? |
| 07:12.37 | krka | see: http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d95-jgu/difftrans.htm |
| 07:12.41 | Cide | apparently csc is still giving him pay without him officially being a teacher |
| 07:12.45 | krka | they are horrible at teaching |
| 07:12.45 | Cide | ors omething |
| 07:13.45 | krka | if you have chance to pick Niemelä, Austrin, Kreitz or Goldmann as course teacher / assistant for anything, do it |
| 07:14.02 | Cide | ah |
| 07:14.28 | frontendloader | that comes through quite silly in autotranslate |
| 07:14.34 | frontendloader | THE ASSINGMENT OF SEVERITY |
| 07:14.44 | frontendloader | I assume that is final project |
| 07:14.48 | frontendloader | or term project |
| 07:15.16 | krka | hm? |
| 07:15.34 | Cide | kontrollskrivning, I'm guessing |
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| 07:18.06 | krka | LOL "Bra att man får ha beta på kontrollskrivningarna." -> "Good to have you get together on the written test." |
| 07:18.32 | Cide | haha |
| 07:18.36 | Cide | that is a great translation |
| 07:18.51 | krka | wtf, they translated Tystlåten to Quite |
| 07:19.19 | krka | nice: Good with uppkopierade solutions notes |
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| 07:20.07 | Cide | fail translation is fine |
| 07:20.09 | Cide | ... |
| 07:20.11 | Cide | I'm tired |
| 07:20.17 | Cide | s/fine/fail/ |
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| 07:20.55 | frontendloader | yeah that is pretty readable |
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| 07:26.32 | Shirik | Cide |
| 07:26.37 | Shirik | you are so full of fail |
| 07:27.32 | krka | did you mean full of fine? |
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| 07:37.44 | Thunder_Child | "New Jersey isn't a real state, it's just a myth you tell little kids to scare them like Canada or Carrot Top." |
| 07:37.58 | Shirik | rofl |
| 07:38.58 | Cide | did you unbusy enough to check out the massive amount of data I collected for you Shirik |
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| 07:39.03 | Cide | or are you busy mocking me |
| 07:39.09 | Shirik | no I went straight to sleep when I got home |
| 07:39.25 | Shirik | because I had one hour sleep last night, got to school at 8 AM, then stayed there until 9 PM |
| 07:39.38 | Thunder_Child | it's not like mocking you requires effort, therefor you can mock w/o being busy |
| 07:40.41 | Cide | that attempt was indeed effortless |
| 07:41.03 | zenzio | one hour of sleep? You kids these days. When I was young we had to work 25 hours a day, with no sleep except on 29th of February |
| 07:42.19 | Thunder_Child | and that was only one of the 3 jobs we held down |
| 07:42.27 | Shirik | zenzio: While walking uphill both ways to school? |
| 07:42.40 | Thunder_Child | in the snow |
| 07:42.54 | zenzio | we had no school; we went straight to work when we turned four |
| 07:43.37 | Shirik | I occasionally wonder what that would be like |
| 07:43.43 | Thunder_Child | that just shows how easy you had it zenzio |
| 07:43.44 | Shirik | some could argue that you learn better from experience |
| 07:43.58 | Thunder_Child | my mom had a machine shop in her womb |
| 07:44.00 | ZorbaTHut | you got to turn four? we were limited to prime ages, to save on birthday parties |
| 07:44.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i expect it would be much like the early industrial revolution |
| 07:44.24 | NightHawkTheSane | mostly dirty, with a side of poor. |
| 07:44.41 | zenzio | Shirik: it did seem to work in ye olde days; it just (probably) didn't leave much room for personal choice |
| 07:45.07 | ZorbaTHut | 28 minutes in and I'm ready to gain my first level :V |
| 07:45.25 | ZorbaTHut | this game used to be so much faster to start |
| 07:45.37 | NightHawkTheSane | in to what? |
| 07:45.42 | ZorbaTHut | WoW |
| 07:45.54 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 07:45.59 | NightHawkTheSane | it took you 28 minutes to hit level 2? |
| 07:46.04 | ZorbaTHut | log on, run to mailbox, get heirloom gear, realize I forgot a trinket, swap characters, mail trinket, swap back, pick up trinket, realize I forgot my damn weapon |
| 07:46.11 | ZorbaTHut | swap characters, mail weapon, swap back, don't have proficiency |
| 07:46.12 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, well.. |
| 07:46.15 | nevcairiel | thats just your own fault :P |
| 07:46.19 | ZorbaTHut | run to exodar, get port to dalaran, port to ironforge |
| 07:46.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 07:46.28 | nevcairiel | level old school, and you would be 5 by now |
| 07:46.32 | frontendloader | when I no longer need to do anything "OnUpdate" I can self-destroy a setscript right? self.frame:SetScript("OnUpdate" function(self,elapsed) ... dostuff ... if finished = true then self.frame:SetScript("OnUpdate" function() end) end ?? |
| 07:46.32 | ZorbaTHut | train weapon, go to class trainer |
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| 07:46.55 | ZorbaTHut | pick up skinning and mining, hearth, back to exodar |
| 07:46.59 | nevcairiel | frontendloader: just use SetScript("OnUpdate", nil) |
| 07:47.34 | ZorbaTHut | and I've swapped my starter weapon with one that has nearly six times the DPS. |
| 07:47.51 | nevcairiel | thats what heirlooms do for you |
| 07:47.56 | frontendloader | ah thanks |
| 07:48.03 | ZorbaTHut | yeah. though the difference isn't as crazy after a few dozen levels |
| 07:48.19 | nevcairiel | you start off with a 0.9 dps weapon or something |
| 07:48.28 | ZorbaTHut | 1.4dps to 8.0dps, for Paladin |
| 07:51.40 | Wobin | http://qdb.us/301957 |
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| 08:13.18 | zenzio | "Imagine a person, in a casino, sitting at a slot machine. They're pumping coin into it and steadi;y losing everything. They know that they should walk away, but they can't. Walking away means admitting to themself and others that they lost. And so they keeping telling themself that if they keep playing long enough, they will win back enough to at least break even. The same is true of Ubisoft, Microsoft and all the other companies who keep pumping money |
| 08:13.19 | zenzio | into the DRM slot machine." |
| 08:16.29 | Arrowmaster | lol |
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| 08:25.10 | awweaver | OMG people joing |
| 08:25.14 | awweaver | joned |
| 08:25.16 | awweaver | .. |
| 08:25.55 | frontendloader | wow |
| 08:26.00 | awweaver | what? |
| 08:26.24 | frontendloader | I've been slain by a wow dev's sudden urge to use past tense :/ |
| 08:26.37 | zenzio | O_o |
| 08:26.50 | frontendloader | AUCTION_HOUSE_CLOSED not _CLOSE |
| 08:27.16 | nevcairiel | the events are pretty much all like that |
| 08:27.35 | zenzio | that's common in many APIs |
| 08:27.39 | frontendloader | eh, then it was his choice to use SHOW instead of SHOWN |
| 08:27.43 | frontendloader | or SHOWED |
| 08:28.03 | frontendloader | (only valid in lousiana) |
| 08:28.05 | zenzio | the Win32 window messages use names like WM_SIZE, which should be read as WM_SIZED |
| 08:28.37 | nevcairiel | it depends when the event fires, in theory |
| 08:28.55 | zenzio | for WoW or Win32? |
| 08:28.56 | nevcairiel | if the SHOW even fires to indicate that the frame should be shown no, SHOW is fine |
| 08:29.02 | nevcairiel | who cares about win32 |
| 08:29.18 | zenzio | was just not sure if you were responding to him or me |
| 08:29.51 | nevcairiel | i also can't type anymore, i drop alot of characters, especially at the end of words |
| 08:30.32 | awweaver | I hate events in wow, they should just happen u should have to register events |
| 08:30.47 | nevcairiel | ..what? |
| 08:31.08 | nevcairiel | all i got from that line was "i hat events in wow" |
| 08:31.08 | awweaver | nvm... |
| 08:31.09 | zenzio | I prefer WoW's way of doing it over the "here's every event that happens in the game, you decide if you care about them" |
| 08:31.24 | nevcairiel | bleh, there i lost a char again |
| 08:31.34 | awweaver | how? |
| 08:31.54 | awweaver | .. |
| 08:33.20 | awweaver | I have this command in my Onload function this:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED") and an OnEvent function and i guess im doing it wrong, it doesnt work, and i dont know what im doing wronfg |
| 08:33.23 | awweaver | wrong* |
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| 08:33.41 | Cidwel | derp |
| 08:34.13 | zenzio | you should avoid "this", but even so I think that should work. You could put your code on pastey and see if anyone could spot an error |
| 08:34.16 | awweaver | heres a pastey, i would love to know id its me |
| 08:34.17 | awweaver | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/133800 |
| 08:35.15 | awweaver | my luck it probably is me |
| 08:36.06 | Cruciformer | not enough context. what is this: in that conext? |
| 08:36.24 | awweaver | ill get more of the code |
| 08:37.00 | nevcairiel | your xml would be helpful, too |
| 08:37.03 | Cruciformer | you using xml? |
| 08:37.11 | Cruciformer | lol nevcairiel beat me to it |
| 08:37.16 | nevcairiel | of course i did |
| 08:37.32 | awweaver | Im not sure about xml at all... |
| 08:37.51 | Cruciformer | nev: I suspect u can actually type ... I use two fingers, with a ciogarette between them so im not as quick |
| 08:38.29 | nevcairiel | eh, i learned 10-finger-typing some aeons ago, but lately its getting worse :P |
| 08:39.01 | Cruciformer | i started typing with 2 fingers since I was 9 and the muscle-memory is to ingrained to learn how to type propperly now |
| 08:39.49 | Shirik | ok sleep time |
| 08:39.59 | Cruciformer | awweaver: this is a personal bias here, because both mechanisms are equally good most of the time, but Id strongly suggest a pure Lua approach rather than using xml. I find it easier to debug. |
| 08:40.10 | Cruciformer | hey shirik before u go .. a quick question? |
| 08:40.16 | Shirik | NEVAR |
| 08:40.18 | Shirik | what's up |
| 08:40.38 | Cruciformer | have you had any trouble with your 5d locking up after extended (like > 400) shots? |
| 08:40.43 | awweaver | Hers a pastey with a lot mroe stuff... |
| 08:40.44 | awweaver | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/133801 |
| 08:41.19 | awweaver | and Cruci, i was told u HAD to have XML to do .... |
| 08:41.27 | Cruciformer | my camera has been getting progressively worse. so much so I had to take it in for repairs for the 3rd time. |
| 08:41.31 | zenzio | is that your full XML? |
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| 08:41.36 | awweaver | Yes |
| 08:41.40 | zenzio | that's your problem |
| 08:41.43 | Cruciformer | awweaver: you only HAVE to have XML if you require templates. |
| 08:41.50 | nevcairiel | yeah the xml isnt valid |
| 08:42.06 | awweaver | I dont know xml, so its uncharted territory |
| 08:42.10 | zenzio | awweaver: if you use XML and have problems, check FrameXML.log - it will often reveal when there's a problem with the XML file |
| 08:42.13 | Shirik | locking up? |
| 08:42.16 | Shirik | You mean like the software? |
| 08:42.30 | Shirik | not at all, I've had no problems at all |
| 08:42.32 | zenzio | like Cruciformer is saying, you could probably make it work without XML if you're not comfortable with XML |
| 08:42.33 | Cruciformer | Shirik: yeah an error 99 and the sub-mirror getting stuck in teh up position |
| 08:42.39 | Shirik | nope |
| 08:42.49 | Shirik | you're having a ton of problems with that 1D huh |
| 08:42.53 | Cruciformer | Im getting seriously pissed at canon. |
| 08:42.55 | Cruciformer | yeah I am |
| 08:43.00 | Shirik | :( |
| 08:43.10 | awweaver | Problem is i dont know hwo to do it with or without it ....i tried to do it from something on wowwiki |
| 08:43.10 | Cruciformer | I suspect when I sent it in for the focusing issue that they screwed something up |
| 08:43.20 | Shirik | seems like it |
| 08:43.24 | Shirik | sorry you had so much trouble :( |
| 08:43.25 | Cruciformer | it pisses me off. I paid what I did exactly to avoid this kind of crap. |
| 08:43.39 | Cruciformer | I am hoping the 1ds mk4 will have this shit sorted out. |
| 08:43.50 | Cruciformer | I am using my freinds 7d atm ... not a single issue. |
| 08:44.24 | Shirik | isn't there some kind of no-lemon type thing for cameras? |
| 08:44.36 | zenzio | ... no-lemon? |
| 08:44.48 | awweaver | My log says its unknown frame type for Onload and OnEvent |
| 08:44.50 | Shirik | you never heard of a no lemon law? |
| 08:44.53 | Cruciformer | I suspect there might be if the camera was new but I got it 2 years ago and only really stared using it after the first year, soits out of warranty |
| 08:44.57 | nevcairiel | throws lemons at Shirik |
| 08:45.11 | zenzio | no I haven't. Though it does sound reasonable not to use lemons on/in your electronic devices |
| 08:45.27 | Shirik | ~wiki lemon law |
| 08:45.39 | nevcairiel | zenzio: the US needs a law to prohibit the use of lemons, here its just common sense |
| 08:45.57 | zenzio | oh, US law thing... I don't know much about those |
| 08:46.10 | Cruciformer | zenzio: neither does the US :) |
| 08:46.16 | Shirik | I didn't really know it was a US thing |
| 08:46.19 | Shirik | I thought it was pretty global |
| 08:46.26 | zenzio | lol |
| 08:46.28 | Shirik | It's kinda one of those things we just take for granted |
| 08:46.31 | nevcairiel | thats a common error of US people |
| 08:46.35 | Cruciformer | I think aussie and the uk lve lemon laws too |
| 08:46.37 | zenzio | Shirik: it may be a global thing, but under a different name |
| 08:46.51 | awweaver | OK, so what code do i need to have to do it purely with LUA... |
| 08:46.53 | Cruciformer | s /lve/have/ |
| 08:47.33 | Cruciformer | Shirik: have u heard any rumours about teh 1ds mk4 yet? are u plugged into teh rumour-mill? |
| 08:47.34 | nevcairiel | we have generic customer protection laws, i bet its covered somewhere in there |
| 08:47.34 | zenzio | awweaver: for starters you have to create your frame, using the CreateFrame() function |
| 08:47.48 | Shirik | I haven't really done any looking, Cruciformer |
| 08:47.54 | Shirik | but I haven't seen any evidence of problems |
| 08:48.15 | awweaver | I did i just didnt include in the pastey |
| 08:48.16 | awweaver | local frame, events = CreateFrame("Frame"), {} |
| 08:48.25 | Cruciformer | I suspect I may just have gotten unluick as my mk3 was one of the first 200 sold in the USA |
| 08:49.22 | Shirik | I agree honestly |
| 08:49.29 | Shirik | anyway, night |
| 08:49.35 | Cruciformer | night .. sleep well |
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| 08:50.30 | zenzio | awweaver: then you have to use, I think, frame:SetScript() to tell it which function to use for event handling and such (look up that function on wowprogramming or something) |
| 08:51.06 | awweaver | zenzio, i did that at one point, found it wasnt working and abanded it...ill try it again |
| 08:51.35 | Cruciformer | awweaver: you were probably missing a frame:SetWidth() and frame:SetHeight() followed by a frame:Show(). |
| 08:51.47 | Cruciformer | If a frame has no dimmensions and isnt shown ... well, it wont show :) |
| 08:51.50 | zenzio | if you do it all in lua, be sure to remove the .xml from your .toc so that the XML file doesn't cause your addon to stop loading |
| 08:53.14 | awweaver | done |
| 08:53.25 | awweaver | and Cruci, i dont want a frame to show.... |
| 08:53.30 | Cruciformer | and remember that changing tocs requires a full exit from teh game |
| 08:53.38 | Cruciformer | ah ok |
| 08:54.00 | awweaver | so can i just set the width and heighth to 0, or do i need the commands at all? |
| 08:54.01 | zenzio | awweaver: calling :Show() is necessary for it to receive events. However, after calling CreateFrame() your frame will have no visible elements |
| 08:54.41 | awweaver | ok so all i need it the CratFram line i pasted earlier? |
| 08:54.45 | awweaver | for that.. |
| 08:56.01 | zenzio | basically you'll have a chain vaguely like CreateFrame -> SetScript -> RegisterEvent -> Show... I think |
| 08:56.21 | Cruciformer | local frame = CrreateFrame ("frame"); frame:UnregisterAllEvents(); frame:RegisterEvent ("EVENT_YOU_CARE_ABOUT"); frame:RegisterEvent ("OTHER_EVENTS"); frame:SetScript ("OnEvent", function (this, event, ...) if (event == "WHATEVER") then ... etc etc |
| 08:56.34 | Cruciformer | and finally frame:Show () |
| 08:58.28 | Cruciformer | I find it cleaner to have a local function MyFrameHandler (this, event, ...) some_code() end ... and then use frame:SetScript ("OnEvent", MyFramehandler) |
| 08:58.53 | Cruciformer | but you can do it inline as I originally posted |
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| 09:01.36 | Cruciformer | awweaver: and in the contect of MyFrameHandler, "this" refers to the frame itself, just so you know. |
| 09:01.36 | awweaver | Ok wish me luck on this working, if it doesnt im going to break stuff |
| 09:01.51 | awweaver | That makes sense |
| 09:01.52 | Wobin | good luck |
| 09:02.06 | nevcairiel | sees a PC flying out the window |
| 09:02.14 | awweaver | I've been trying to get this to work forever |
| 09:02.24 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: I see your 1PC and raise you a printer and a mouse :) |
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| 09:02.51 | awweaver | Well, no i wouldnt throw MY pc out the window... |
| 09:02.58 | awweaver | :( |
| 09:03.08 | awweaver | Error msgs FTW... |
| 09:04.20 | awweaver | I seem to mess crap up all the time, what did i do? |
| 09:04.20 | awweaver | frame:SetScript ("OnEvent", function (this, event, ...) if (event == "PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED") then JerkList_Warn(name)) |
| 09:04.39 | nevcairiel | needs more end |
| 09:04.59 | Cruciformer | missing end beore the last ) |
| 09:05.08 | nevcairiel | two ends, actually |
| 09:05.14 | awweaver | isnt it 2 ends, one for if, and one for function? |
| 09:05.15 | Cruciformer | actually missing end end beore the last ) |
| 09:05.16 | awweaver | ah |
| 09:05.43 | awweaver | reloading.... |
| 09:06.11 | tlund | Cruciformer: what events are registered for a newly created frame? why do you need to do local frame = CrreateFrame ("frame"); frame:UnregisterAllEvents(); |
| 09:06.12 | Cruciformer | now u better hope JerkList_Warn does the right thing :) |
| 09:06.28 | Cruciformer | tlund: U probaly dont ned to, its just a habbit I got into. |
| 09:06.32 | tlund | ok |
| 09:06.34 | awweaver | no error, msgs, *looks for a guinea pig to test on* |
| 09:06.53 | awweaver | :( |
| 09:07.07 | Cruciformer | tlund: Since blizzard is free to change stuff behind your back at any time I prefer to be explicit. |
| 09:07.30 | awweaver | i have print commands at the beginning of the Warn function and they dont fire... |
| 09:07.55 | nevcairiel | Cruciformer: thats a rather weird thing to do still .. why would they ever start a frame with registered events? =P |
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| 09:08.21 | awweaver | pastey |
| 09:08.22 | awweaver | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/133802 |
| 09:08.40 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: the *probably* wouldn't but since its just 1 function call, and it guarantees explicit behaviour, I prefer to do it that way. |
| 09:09.01 | Cruciformer | but it is probably totally unneccesary. |
| 09:10.19 | Cruciformer | awweaver: JerkList_Warn isnt teh issue, buit whats calling it. Why dont you pastey THAT? |
| 09:10.21 | Arrowmaster | so Square Enix is being accused of 'amateurish' video encoding of CGI sequences resulting in the 360 version of FFXIII not being as good as it could have been, why do i get the feeling they are still using Bink like so many other games are |
| 09:11.11 | awweaver | So here it is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/133803 |
| 09:11.52 | awweaver | That is in the onload function |
| 09:11.57 | Cruciformer | nonono |
| 09:12.06 | Cruciformer | there IS no onload function if you are not using xml |
| 09:12.21 | awweaver | bags head against wall |
| 09:12.29 | awweaver | bangs* |
| 09:13.59 | awweaver | so whre do i put these commands? |
| 09:14.05 | awweaver | outside of a function? |
| 09:14.31 | tlund | yes |
| 09:14.40 | awweaver | testing |
| 09:14.42 | tlund | at the bottom of your lua file |
| 09:15.36 | Cruciformer | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/133804 |
| 09:15.43 | Cruciformer | make yiour entire addon that |
| 09:16.14 | Cruciformer | except use == |
| 09:16.37 | Cruciformer | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/133805 |
| 09:16.48 | awweaver | Yes i understand use the ==... |
| 09:16.55 | awweaver | i did learn java... |
| 09:17.05 | Cruciformer | my condolences :) |
| 09:17.24 | awweaver | yea, but first i learned basic, then Visual Basic |
| 09:17.26 | krka | in my experience, people who complain about java haven't really understood java |
| 09:17.32 | awweaver | shudders |
| 09:17.40 | krka | which is easily proven by looking at their code |
| 09:17.47 | Cruciformer | krka: I understand java just fine |
| 09:17.48 | awweaver | Java a cake walk |
| 09:18.02 | krka | Cruciformer: show a non trivial code sample then :P |
| 09:18.06 | awweaver | and goto commands are evil |
| 09:18.28 | Cruciformer | krka: I am a control freak though and dont believe in GC as a concept. Gimme malloc() and free() any way. |
| 09:18.33 | Cruciformer | way=day |
| 09:18.52 | Cruciformer | krka: I cant since I dont have any public java apps :) |
| 09:20.49 | awweaver | bangs head against wall several times |
| 09:21.33 | awweaver | Im about ready to just throw it out the window |
| 09:21.58 | awweaver | ..\AddOns\Jerklist\JerkList.lua line 35: |
| 09:21.58 | awweaver | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.59 | awweaver | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.09 | awweaver | sry aobut thwe long msg' |
| 09:22.37 | zenzio | you misspelled the function name |
| 09:23.12 | krka | Sounds like a case of illegal arrrrrrrrghument |
| 09:23.14 | awweaver | i feel stupid now... |
| 09:23.31 | awweaver | thanks guys... |
| 09:23.49 | Cruciformer | and dont forget rhe frame:Show() |
| 09:23.52 | krka | Cruciformer: so you feel sorry for people who use java, based on that java uses GC? |
| 09:24.40 | awweaver | crosses fingers |
| 09:25.03 | Cruciformer | krka: dont take my statements so seriously :P sorry if I offended your jaja fanbooi sensibilities :) |
| 09:25.10 | Cruciformer | *java |
| 09:25.13 | awweaver | cheers like a schoolgirl |
| 09:25.34 | awweaver | thanks so much guys |
| 09:25.36 | awweaver | it works |
| 09:25.41 | Cruciformer | krka: I prerty much dont like ANY langauge except C, becuase thast my favourite. |
| 09:25.48 | awweaver | well it goes to the warn function... |
| 09:26.52 | awweaver | ok, it goes to the warn function but doesnt do waht its supposedt o there... |
| 09:27.30 | awweaver | no errors that i can see |
| 09:27.30 | awweaver | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/133807 |
| 09:27.33 | awweaver | ... |
| 09:27.58 | awweaver | wait i just realized, takout the event == thing, i dotn need it |
| 09:28.20 | Cruciformer | aww: you have to get used to posting more context. For example, where is JLignoreList createdm and how |
| 09:28.25 | krka | Cruciformer: not offended, just curious as to what goes on in the head of java haters |
| 09:28.39 | Cruciformer | krka: I dont *hate* java I just dont like using it |
| 09:28.48 | krka | yeah i see that now |
| 09:28.54 | awweaver | JLIgnoreList, is myh global variable |
| 09:29.03 | awweaver | its delcared... |
| 09:29.10 | awweaver | array.. |
| 09:29.28 | Cruciformer | awweaver: I guessed as much but the key to getting good, meaningful help here is to post as much context as possible in the pasteys. |
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| 09:29.49 | awweaver | ok, that makes sense |
| 09:29.50 | Cruciformer | I learned that myself the hard way :) |
| 09:30.21 | awweaver | so what do u see wrong with the code? |
| 09:30.43 | Cruciformer | I need to see how you populate JLignoreList |
| 09:31.26 | awweaver | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/133808 |
| 09:31.45 | awweaver | I think thats it |
| 09:32.20 | Cruciformer | name = string.sub(name,4) -- for what is that? |
| 09:32.29 | Cruciformer | you only want the first 4 characters of the target's name? |
| 09:32.59 | krka | deja vu... |
| 09:33.42 | awweaver | No i want just the chars name, form what i could see. the user types /jl add Name wow would pass in add Name to the function |
| 09:34.08 | awweaver | so i added the string.sub to get rid fo the add and the " " |
| 09:34.08 | Kalroth | krka is on the jerklist!! |
| 09:34.14 | awweaver | ? |
| 09:34.51 | Cruciformer | ah ok |
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| 09:36.19 | Cruciformer | just a stylistic comment ... do local target = UnitName ("target") and then use target instead of repeatedly calling UnitName ("target"). Not that that will fix anything but its still a good thing to do. |
| 09:36.46 | awweaver | yea didnt think of that |
| 09:37.49 | krka | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/133809 |
| 09:37.50 | krka | fixed it |
| 09:38.58 | awweaver | this fixes?, im confused |
| 09:40.40 | Cruciformer | k back to work for me |
| 09:40.47 | awweaver | ignoreMap[name] = true what is that?im goign to guess its fro JLIgnoreList... |
| 09:40.59 | Cruciformer | play with it awweaver you'll get it |
| 09:41.15 | Cruciformer | yes he used the word ignoremap instead of JLIgnoreList |
| 09:41.27 | Cruciformer | go with teh concepts not the specifics :) |
| 09:41.51 | awweaver | yep, i love u guys and you all get like 1 million internets for helping me |
| 09:45.32 | awweaver | krka shouldn't this name and JLIgnoreList[name] be name == JLIgnoreList[name] ? |
| 09:45.55 | krka | no |
| 09:46.02 | awweaver | kk |
| 09:46.13 | Cruciformer | no becuase he is using the presense of name in teh JLIgnoreList "dictionary" as indication of being on the list. |
| 09:46.31 | awweaver | o, i understand now |
| 09:46.51 | awweaver | testing now... |
| 09:48.20 | awweaver | :( |
| 09:49.27 | awweaver | ... |
| 09:53.15 | awweaver | i can has errorsm it doesnt like the Message Frame Line |
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| 09:55.07 | awweaver | eeeeeeee |
| 09:55.08 | awweaver | eeeeee |
| 09:55.10 | awweaver | it works |
| 09:55.26 | awweaver | granted its only text but it works |
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| 10:11.05 | awweaver | Sigh...i uploaded the working version my addon and have to wait for curse to approve it |
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| 10:13.03 | Cairenn | or you could use WoWI and have it already approved |
| 10:13.17 | awweaver | im going to have it on both |
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| 10:14.05 | Zyonin | Good morning folks! |
| 10:14.13 | zenzio | ohai |
| 10:14.30 | Cairenn | morning Zyonin |
| 10:15.42 | Zyonin | I have been on for a bit but the wife home and as usual wanted to talk (aka bitch). |
| 10:15.59 | Zyonin | And my grammer module seems to be offline... |
| 10:16.24 | krka | be ordering words meaningful may of |
| 10:17.22 | Zyonin | I think, I should think about some coffee. |
| 10:18.55 | awweaver | lol at this on WoWUI.... *All files are scanned for anything malicious before made available. If such malicious files are found in this submission your information will be given to the proper authorities for further investigation. |
| 10:19.57 | Cairenn | awweaver: is JerkList yours? |
| 10:20.00 | awweaver | Oh and the file is up... |
| 10:20.04 | awweaver | Yes |
| 10:20.05 | Zyonin | That is called covering their ass |
| 10:20.09 | Cairenn | I just denied it |
| 10:20.13 | awweaver | :( |
| 10:20.17 | Cairenn | you've got to give /some/ sort of description |
| 10:20.25 | awweaver | :( |
| 10:20.50 | Zyonin | If you don't have a good description, most users won't bother downloading it. |
| 10:22.01 | Zyonin | Your basically "marketing" your AddOn and it works the same way as with marketing products or services. |
| 10:22.35 | awweaver | yes i understand i just wanted it up.... |
| 10:23.43 | Zyonin | Ah, but a bit of extra work before uploading will help. Besides, it's in our Rules. |
| 10:24.21 | awweaver | Done, its up again |
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| 10:26.37 | Zyonin | I think the description you used in your .toc would work better for a description. It describes the AddOn better. However that is my opinion. |
| 10:27.02 | awweaver | ok, i will change it |
| 10:27.08 | awweaver | is it approved? |
| 10:27.24 | Zyonin | As of about 10 seconds ago |
| 10:27.49 | awweaver | is there a way to view your own addons? |
| 10:28.02 | Zyonin | Yes there is, The "My AddOns" link |
| 10:28.21 | Zyonin | It's the first link under the WoWI logo |
| 10:28.57 | Zyonin | I have a tendency to click it by mistake when I am aimming for the "Lastest Posts" link |
| 10:29.08 | awweaver | I see My Favorites |
| 10:29.43 | Zyonin | Nope, link to the left |
| 10:30.00 | Zyonin | You may have to reload the page if you just uploaded your first AddOn or enable it |
| 10:30.34 | Zyonin | Otherwise goto your public profile then click on the "AddOns List" link. The My Favorites are for those mods you have bookmarked or favorited on the site |
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| 10:32.27 | Zyonin | Ooo, I think the coffee is done, BRB |
| 10:36.22 | awweaver | Yea, cant find the addons list thingy, i just searched it... |
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| 10:40.54 | Zyonin | OK, if you goto your AddOn, then on the right side you will see your name with a link "More" behind it. Clicking that will take you to this page: http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=192971 |
| 10:41.12 | Zyonin | Which lists the AddOns that you have uploaded. |
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| 10:44.31 | Zyonin | If you want to update any part of your AddOns, use the Upload function then select your AddOn from the second drop down, "Update Addon/File". You can your AddOn's description from there. |
| 10:46.09 | awweaver | thanks |
| 10:46.26 | awweaver | i take it you dled my addon? |
| 10:46.53 | Zyonin | Nope, I don't need to dl to view the contents of the file. |
| 10:47.12 | Zyonin | saves bandwidth that way plus disc space |
| 10:47.16 | awweaver | well someone did... |
| 10:47.25 | awweaver | thanks to whoever that was |
| 10:47.45 | robotusch | lol wtf |
| 10:47.47 | Zyonin | You would be surprised how quickly people will pounce on things. |
| 10:47.50 | robotusch | phishing attempt on wowi :/ |
| 10:48.27 | Zyonin | Ah yes, the phishing attempt. If in doubt, manually type our URL into your browser's address bar or use a trusted bookmark |
| 10:49.13 | robotusch | yeah, I'm just wondering what the heck they're going to do with a wowinterface account :< |
| 10:49.17 | Zyonin | Needless to say, the staff of WoWI will pounce on any further attempts |
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| 10:49.44 | Zyonin | Possible upload fake AddOns. Of course even with a WoWI account, they will not get far |
| 10:49.52 | robotusch | true |
| 10:50.15 | robotusch | was thinking they might be hoping that people are stupid enough to use the same email & password for their wow account :/ |
| 10:50.42 | robotusch | add commas as necessary, I haven't quite woken up yet :< |
| 10:51.07 | Zyonin | Likely the old "hide the keylogger" in the file attempt however this time using the guise of one of our legit users. Again, that would shot down like a unescorted bomber over Moscow |
| 10:51.55 | Zyonin | Yah, however some of our users may not be as security counciouss as our veterans. |
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| 11:06.35 | Shirik | now I go to sleep bai |
| 11:08.51 | Cairenn | well, they also started by trying to fool Dolby and I, sent their initial PMs to us - trying to get admin accounts |
| 11:09.15 | Cairenn | as if we'd fall for it |
| 11:10.07 | zenzio | fell for Cairenn |
| 11:10.14 | Cairenn | awww |
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| 11:14.46 | Zyonin | OMG, they tried getting Admin accounts? Lol, that is like jumping into one of those car shredders in search of a coin or something. The result is pretty much the same... OWNED! |
| 11:17.44 | Cairenn | yep |
| 11:18.29 | Cairenn | if they'd tried regular users first, we wouldn't have known about it as quickly as we did, obviously, since we would have had to wait until someone reported it |
| 11:19.23 | Zyonin | Well, it shows that they weren't the brightest bulb in the string. However that means someone else will learn from their mistake and target users first. |
| 11:19.40 | Cairenn | well, we didn't broadcast that little fact :p |
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| 11:20.06 | Cairenn | but yeah, pretty stupid to target the site admins first |
| 11:20.12 | Zyonin | Ya, however someone who is a bit "smarter" will put 2 and 2 together... |
| 11:20.49 | Zyonin | Even if it does mean they are still not very smart by targeting us |
| 11:20.56 | Cairenn | yep |
| 11:21.17 | Shirik | Cairenn |
| 11:21.21 | Shirik | you are being a bad girl again |
| 11:21.30 | Cairenn | and your point? |
| 11:21.41 | Shirik | take care of yourself! |
| 11:21.48 | Cairenn | I do |
| 11:21.49 | Cairenn | :) |
| 11:22.03 | Shirik | lies |
| 11:22.17 | Cairenn | going to bed in about 40 mins |
| 11:22.19 | Zyonin | Isn't like the wee hours of the morning in your part of th world? |
| 11:22.25 | Cairenn | 6:20am |
| 11:23.01 | Zyonin | I thought so, since my clock listed 4:20 for Salt Lake City. GNOME world clock FTW |
| 11:24.43 | zenzio | "Apart from the fan problem, is this version more stable?" - nevermind if my card burns to a fiery death, does it make my games run more stable!? |
| 11:26.02 | Zyonin | Depending your system, an overheating card can make your game more unstable |
| 11:26.32 | zenzio | my point was more what good is it if the drirvers make your card more stable if the fan control doesn't work? |
| 11:27.31 | Zyonin | I am guessing that NVIDIA's Quality Control Dept was asleep at the switch or they just did not test on enough different cards before the release was pushed out |
| 11:27.49 | Shirik | hold up |
| 11:27.51 | Zyonin | It's wouldn't be the first time |
| 11:27.54 | Shirik | vulcans are telepaths? |
| 11:28.01 | nevcairiel | Shirik: yes |
| 11:28.06 | Zyonin | Only if they touch you |
| 11:28.13 | Shirik | why does this like never come up |
| 11:28.23 | nevcairiel | yeah its only by touch |
| 11:28.26 | Zyonin | Shortrange telepathy that requires contact |
| 11:28.31 | nevcairiel | manifests mostly in the mind meld |
| 11:28.32 | Shirik | voyager seems to disagree |
| 11:28.39 | Shirik | I knew about mind meld |
| 11:29.18 | Shirik | but tuvok just had a telepathic conversation with someone without contact in which he said he prefers speaking aloud because "there are very few telepaths in starfleet" |
| 11:29.27 | Shirik | which implies that it's entirely possible |
| 11:29.36 | Zyonin | Between telepaths that may be possible |
| 11:29.40 | nevcairiel | zenzio: i still doubt that that a healthy card will just burn to death, all modern hardware has fail safes that reduces clock speeds to save the hardware |
| 11:29.48 | Zyonin | but only between telepaths that can send and recieve |
| 11:30.20 | Zyonin | Nev: the depends on whether or not those fails safes are working. |
| 11:30.42 | Zyonin | Some users may disable them to eek out a bit more preformance. |
| 11:30.49 | nevcairiel | you can't turn that off |
| 11:30.53 | nevcairiel | its hardwired in the firmware |
| 11:31.29 | nevcairiel | and even if you could, if you turn that off, its like overclocking, voids warranty if it breaks due to overheating |
| 11:31.55 | Zyonin | Since when has voiding a warranty stopped people from doing stupid crap |
| 11:32.11 | nevcairiel | Don't cry if you break your card due to being careless |
| 11:32.36 | Zyonin | Excatly |
| 11:32.48 | zenzio | "Leaving WoW sitting at the title or login screen has caused overheating in my 8800GT's for over a year now, no matter what drivers I've used. I've noticed temperatures reaching 105-110 Celsius in under 2 minutes flat as recently as last week when I made the mistake of letting WoW sit at the login screen." o_O |
| 11:33.19 | nevcairiel | He probably got a cheapo card with a sucky fan |
| 11:33.27 | nevcairiel | a friend of mine has the same problem with some card |
| 11:33.35 | nevcairiel | it overheats just by rendering aero |
| 11:33.49 | zenzio | I pretty much expect a videocard to handle whatever the CPU hurls at it |
| 11:33.52 | nevcairiel | he has to put some extra fans in there to keep it stable |
| 11:33.56 | Zyonin | It helps to clean out your machine once in a while. |
| 11:34.52 | Zyonin | Usually, if I have overheating issues, it's my clue by four to clean the dust out. My area is very dusty due to all the trucks and diseal powered cars |
| 11:35.09 | nevcairiel | you can pretty much pull the cooler of a CPU and the system will survive |
| 11:35.20 | frontendloader | does curse/wowace have any sort of accomodation for including a perl script with your addon that is part of the intended functionality of your addon? I wrote an addon that dumps out the entire AH to your SV and then parses that SV into a .csv with perl. |
| 11:35.22 | nevcairiel | it might crash if it overheats too fast, but it'll shutdown the cpu before it dies |
| 11:35.51 | frontendloader | the addon is pretty useless without the perl script |
| 11:36.39 | Zyonin | My machine has an alarm tone to let me know if it is too hot. Thus I can shut down before it crashes |
| 11:36.42 | zenzio | I don't know the answer to your question, but out of curiosity, why perl? |
| 11:36.58 | frontendloader | more people are likely to have perl installed than lua |
| 11:37.01 | Zyonin | I was wondering that myself since Perl is useless for most Windows users |
| 11:37.18 | nevcairiel | frontendloader: not really, people don't have any scripting language installed |
| 11:37.19 | frontendloader | also I don't think anyone wants to run a .exe |
| 11:37.20 | nevcairiel | this is not linux |
| 11:37.54 | zenzio | I don't have an issue with the choice, but like Zyonin said, I think a lot of average players won't know what a perl is and how to Active it |
| 11:37.54 | frontendloader | strawberryperl takes like downloadtime + 10sec to install |
| 11:38.28 | Zyonin | That requires users searching for and and installing a Perl interpeter. Most will not |
| 11:38.52 | Zyonin | You are better off using self contained scripts like many programs written in Python |
| 11:39.30 | Zyonin | However as stated most players are extremely wary of any executables that are connected with WoW in any way. Too many hackers |
| 11:39.31 | frontendloader | I can package my perl script as an .exe but it comes out to be either 2mb with the OSS packager, or 500k with a trialware packager that I'd rather not use |
| 11:39.40 | nevcairiel | anyway, regarding wowace/cf, you can usually put scripts in .zips, i know it blacklists shell scripts, not sure about perl or other languages |
| 11:39.43 | zenzio | I am guessing his addon description and readme will include instructions on how to get the script running |
| 11:40.18 | frontendloader | its targeted at people who are spreadsheet savvy for sure |
| 11:42.08 | frontendloader | yeah just need to write my readme very clearly for this then |
| 11:42.21 | Arrowmaster | any scripting language that can be run on windows without installing additional software is blacklisted by wowace/curseforge repositories |
| 11:42.53 | Arrowmaster | perl, python, ruby, etc shouldnt be blacklisted |
| 11:43.44 | zenzio | do I understand you correctly then that VBScript would be blacklisted? |
| 11:43.49 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 11:44.04 | zenzio | removes logo.jpg |
| 11:44.07 | zenzio | +.vbs |
| 11:44.09 | zenzio | stupid return key |
| 11:44.21 | Arrowmaster | java is also blacklisted |
| 11:44.32 | nevcairiel | java requires additional software |
| 11:44.45 | zenzio | real java might; JScript won't |
| 11:44.54 | nevcairiel | jscript is no java |
| 11:45.03 | nevcairiel | not even related |
| 11:45.07 | Arrowmaster | blacklisted completely, not just from the repositories, no .jar files allowed at all |
| 11:45.33 | nevcairiel | same rules as for .exe files, can submit them and talk to a mod to get it analysed |
| 11:45.57 | nevcairiel | repos shouldnt contain .jar files anyway |
| 11:46.01 | nevcairiel | put the .java in :P |
| 11:46.02 | Zyonin | I can see why for Java since just about everyone (except for Java haters) has the Java runtimes installed |
| 11:46.47 | Zyonin | While most peopl will not have Perl, Ruby or Python installed unless you are a developer/geek or a Linux user. |
| 11:46.49 | Arrowmaster | and .jar is a container format not just a text file like other scripting languages, you could hide whatever you wanted to inside a .jar |
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| 11:49.58 | frontendloader | bleh |
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| 11:57.04 | frontendloader | should I tell the user to hit enter |
| 11:57.21 | frontendloader | or am I being overbearing, see also: "without the quotes, dumb user" |
| 12:12.47 | nevcairiel | !g bartender |
| 12:12.47 | batbot | nevcairiel: The Webtender - Cocktail & Mixed Drink Recipes and Bartending Guide <http://www.webtender.com/> |
| 12:14.42 | Elkano | !g Elkano |
| 12:14.42 | batbot | Elkano: Elkano's BuffBars - Addons - Curse <http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/elkbuffbars.aspx> |
| 12:14.46 | Elkano | :P |
| 12:14.55 | nevcairiel | !g nevcairiel |
| 12:14.56 | batbot | nevcairiel: WoWInterface - Nevcairiel's Portal <http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?uid=35951> |
| 12:15.00 | nevcairiel | works for my name, too |
| 12:15.14 | nevcairiel | even if i dont use that portal anymore |
| 12:15.27 | Elkano | !g el cano |
| 12:15.28 | batbot | Elkano: Juan Sebastián Elcano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Sebasti%C3%A1n_Elcano> |
| 12:15.53 | Elkano | didn't know of him when I picked my nick though |
| 12:27.18 | frontendloader | http://github.com/frontendloader/AHDumper readme look clear enough? |
| 12:30.33 | zenzio | looks so to me |
| 12:32.36 | Zyonin | Looks to me to be quite clear. |
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| 12:41.35 | foxlit | Oh wow, icc nerfs. |
| 12:42.24 | zenzio | nerfs that were too much for some it seems |
| 12:42.44 | A-KO | In the 10- and 25-player heroic Festergut encounters, the malleable goo ability should no longer target pets. < shouldn't that be putricide? lol |
| 12:43.39 | A-KO | Overgearing instances |
| 12:43.39 | A-KO | Yeah, overgearing the content is fine. Being able to zerg an instance is one of the fun parts of overgearing. We're not worried about that. But on content at appropriate level, it wouldn't be so bad if *some* of the pulls required more crowd control and single-target damage. |
| 12:43.53 | A-KO | ^^^ Something that most people I know that played beta of wotlk kept telling them |
| 12:44.02 | A-KO | "wtf wow paladins can pull half the damn instance at once wtf" |
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| 12:48.09 | frontendloader | A-KO: nope theres malleable goo in there too |
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| 12:48.15 | frontendloader | only on heroic though |
| 12:48.41 | frontendloader | also I think the shades in deathwhisper can target totems? |
| 12:49.33 | foxlit | wonder what they'd do if they're recalled, then. |
| 12:50.17 | frontendloader | ghost would choose a new target probably |
| 12:52.21 | haste | foxlit: they'd just choose a new target, just like they do when you fade/vanish/feint/etc |
| 12:52.49 | foxlit | Clearly the best strategy is to stack shamans, then. |
| 12:53.00 | frontendloader | oh man this thread just had the best idea for the TF2 engineer update |
| 12:53.03 | foxlit | Place 23*4 totems in some corner, and laugh in glee. |
| 12:53.14 | frontendloader | being able to affix buildings to players |
| 12:53.30 | frontendloader | 100+ metal -> build class specific mod on a player |
| 12:54.09 | frontendloader | build a portable dispenser on a heavy's gun or something |
| 12:54.14 | frontendloader | best game |
| 12:54.26 | zenzio | oh, that sort of thing |
| 12:54.48 | zenzio | when you said "affix buildings" I pictured a guy running around with a barracks on his back |
| 12:55.12 | foxlit | Hm, about that. |
| 12:55.17 | frontendloader | oh thats kinda how I picture it with the heavy |
| 12:55.20 | foxlit | Can you still crush infantry with landing buildings in SC2? |
| 12:55.26 | frontendloader | a dispenser with a backpack |
| 12:55.45 | zenzio | I mean a full-size building |
| 12:55.48 | foxlit | I thought I heard that's how it worked, but meh. |
| 12:55.49 | zenzio | which would dwarf the character |
| 12:55.52 | frontendloader | hah |
| 12:56.00 | frontendloader | take it you've never played tf2 then |
| 12:56.37 | zenzio | correct |
| 12:56.48 | zenzio | I refuse to go near that after they switched from the original TF2 concept |
| 12:57.10 | frontendloader | that was so long ago I don't even know what it was |
| 12:57.30 | zenzio | basically a more realistic military game |
| 12:57.52 | frontendloader | ah, yeah I doubt I would have played it like that if that was the case |
| 12:57.56 | zenzio | TF2 as it is now seems like a well-done and popular game; but I was wanting the original type :-p |
| 12:58.03 | frontendloader | I don't like Day of Defeat/Modern Warfare etc |
| 13:00.19 | frontendloader | shoulda got it on the weekend that it was $2 or something |
| 13:00.35 | foxlit | Multi-player FPSes are a cesspool of filth. |
| 13:01.06 | frontendloader | mostly awesome people play TF2, I would know, I'm one of them |
| 13:01.59 | foxlit | They keep buffing terrans. |
| 13:02.17 | foxlit | Must be because of my invaluable loss history. |
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| 13:24.09 | zenzio | hai peppy! |
| 13:25.44 | Lopeppeppy | heya |
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| 13:29.21 | zenzio | how is the handstuffs? |
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| 13:30.39 | Lopeppeppy | meh. I drugged the gnomes into unconsciousness, but the meds give me nightmares. Tradeoff. |
| 13:30.47 | Lopeppeppy | Stitches (hopefully) come out this afternoon, whee! |
| 13:32.20 | zenzio | you should leave them in and pretend you're turning into a forsaken |
| 13:35.24 | Lopeppeppy | ... no. |
| 13:35.27 | Lopeppeppy | Want to do laundry! |
| 13:35.44 | zenzio | that sounds wrong |
| 13:38.09 | Lopeppeppy | I need clean towels! |
| 13:38.32 | zenzio | we all need clean towels, but that doesn't mean we want to do laundry |
| 13:38.38 | zenzio | we just accept is as a necessary evil |
| 13:39.19 | Lopeppeppy | I hate not being able to do something. Hate it. |
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| 13:58.03 | Cide | http://open.spotify.com/track/0LPRlUS1zVjMC4z5X7L5sG |
| 13:58.10 | Cide | ^ recommended. |
| 13:59.28 | Cide | if you like 19 year old swedish girls singing folk music in swedsih |
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| 14:01.24 | Wobin | http://notalwaysright.com/not-usually-compared/4547 |
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| 14:01.42 | Gagorian | Cide: It doesn't seem to be playable outside Sweden |
| 14:01.48 | Gagorian | Or at least, not in Finland |
| 14:01.55 | Cide | I guess that makes sense |
| 14:02.02 | haste | all hail DRM! |
| 14:02.08 | harl | wuff |
| 14:02.37 | Cide | it's pretty catchy actually but I'd imagine it'd mostly be strange if you don't speak swedish |
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| 14:09.21 | Lunessa | station |
| 14:09.46 | Lopeppeppy | You're awake early, dear. |
| 14:12.05 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC2RYiaM6WU&feature=player_embedded |
| 14:12.09 | Wobin | I <3 brit humour |
| 14:12.11 | haste | but but but |
| 14:12.13 | haste | it's... 3PM! |
| 14:12.22 | Wobin | although it kinda loses it in the middle for a bit =P |
| 14:13.55 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3qvKTjs0nc |
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| 14:18.00 | haste | mikma: god is a dj |
| 14:25.22 | Lunessa | Yes Peppy-dear, I am. The early bird makes up the hours from yesterday's disasters. |
| 14:25.32 | Cide | who linked gravity hook hd here? |
| 14:25.58 | Lopeppeppy | Oh no. *huggle* Disasters suck. |
| 14:28.28 | Cide | CRAP |
| 14:28.31 | Cide | kaboom. |
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| 14:40.41 | Lunessa | Yeah - the disaster was having the building turn off the water - while I was in the shower. And then leaving it off for hours. It was maddening. |
| 14:42.57 | cbreak | omg! By that time you probably dried, and had to start from the start again :( |
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| 14:44.55 | Kraps | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2010/03/rotisserie/ |
| 14:45.03 | Lunessa | cbreak: Actaully, I had to scrape the soap off, get dressed, go to the drugstore, get bottled water and wipes, walk home, scrape clean and go to work. |
| 14:45.47 | cbreak | :/ |
| 14:49.03 | Lopeppeppy | I keep a pitcher of water in the fridge for the guests, so I'd have been one small step ahead, but not very much. Brrrrr. |
| 14:49.26 | Lopeppeppy | They cycle my water all the time due to construction across the road, I finally swapped to taking my showers at night. |
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| 14:51.35 | Lunessa | Well, I should have been prepared and all that... but honestly, I was not expecting them to shut off the water for 6 hours. |
| 14:53.21 | cbreak | fridge sounds like a suboptimal place to store shower water anyway :) |
| 14:53.40 | Kraps | [09:44:46]<kunwon1>Kraps, are you aware that your current IP address is on a blacklist? https://www.dnsbl.au.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?68.194.7.23 |
| 14:54.20 | Kraps | cant make heads or tails of this |
| 15:01.34 | Lopeppeppy | cbreak, I could microwave it to rinse off quick! But I also have more hair than Lunessa, so showering at night is awesome. |
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| 15:09.21 | ogreinside | Hey guys, I have a decent grasp of Lua and interacting with the WoW API, but zero knowledge of writing a UI and integrating it with the WoW interface for grabbing user options. I am looking at other mods to learn, but was wondering if you guys could recommend a good IDE. Trying "LuaEclipse" but having issues. Prefer Linux, but I can use a Windows VM if I need (while at work) |
| 15:09.51 | cbreak | a text editor is enough. |
| 15:10.00 | ogreinside | yeah, that's what i've been using |
| 15:10.22 | ogreinside | but for the UI, was hoping there was a better interface for positioning dialogue boxes and such |
| 15:10.32 | haste | write it in-game |
| 15:10.54 | ogreinside | well, trying to work on it at work :) |
| 15:10.56 | Legorol | you can try the WoW Addon Studio: http://www.codeplex.com/AddOnStudio |
| 15:11.15 | Legorol | it's a VisualWhatever style interactive GUI development thingy |
| 15:11.24 | Legorol | i don't know if it's uptodate |
| 15:11.45 | Legorol | but it seems to have been updated in February, so should be good |
| 15:11.51 | haste | generators generally generate horrible XML tho' |
| 15:11.53 | ogreinside | great, thanks! |
| 15:12.05 | ogreinside | I'm very light on XML in general though, that's my core issue |
| 15:12.06 | cbreak | if you can, stay away from the XML stuff |
| 15:12.29 | ogreinside | wish there was a Lua glade plugin |
| 15:12.33 | Legorol | i disagree with cbreak |
| 15:12.38 | ogreinside | but thanks, will try this out |
| 15:12.51 | ogreinside | also found "Wow Ui Designer" but requires Windows, similar in concept I think |
| 15:12.56 | Legorol | i think that for static UI, such as dialogue boxes and configuration menus, it's a great idea to use XML to describe structure, and Lua to describe function |
| 15:13.31 | ogreinside | Legorol: that's what I though, I just need to spend more time with XML |
| 15:13.38 | ogreinside | s/though/thought/ |
| 15:13.47 | ogreinside | purl: thanks :) |
| 15:13.47 | purl | ogreinside: bitte |
| 15:13.51 | Legorol | but you'll find that this is a hotly debated topic :) |
| 15:13.58 | Legorol | it's really personal preference |
| 15:14.27 | ogreinside | I really only need the most basic UI, I have the addon working fine, options can be toggled with slash commands, I thought that was good enough! |
| 15:14.45 | ogreinside | but I spent time working with someone in my guild trying to use it, the "slash cmd" concept was completely foreign to him |
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| 15:27.35 | Ackis | so I asked last night but everyone was an asshole and ignored me! :'( do I need to log into WoW for it to patch or does the launcher take care of all that crap for me? |
| 15:27.46 | frontendloader | launcher should |
| 15:27.53 | Wobin | depends |
| 15:28.01 | Wobin | if you download the patches separately, you shouldn't need to |
| 15:28.05 | ogreinside | actually, launcher *usually* does, but I had a system go from 3.1 > 3.3 and I had to login first |
| 15:28.15 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 15:28.16 | frontendloader | you don't need a valid login to patch |
| 15:28.19 | frontendloader | you can just type garbage |
| 15:28.29 | Ackis | ahh ok |
| 15:28.50 | ogreinside | frontendloader: that used to be true, but the most recent patch I tried that and it needed a real login for me |
| 15:29.15 | frontendloader | off the cuff question, does your recipelist also include materials require to create said recipe in its data? |
| 15:30.23 | Ackis | yeah |
| 15:30.33 | Ackis | it links the spell that you use to create it |
| 15:30.36 | Ackis | that has the info in it |
| 15:31.40 | frontendloader | aw all rights reserved huh :( |
| 15:34.33 | frontendloader | theres something oddly recursive about pointing a datamining script at wowhead/wowdb |
| 15:34.36 | Ackis | you can thank wowmatrix for that |
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| 15:41.37 | mikma | http://www.darelease.com/ebooks/87185-the-complete-idiots-guide-to-verbal-self-defense.html |
| 15:43.17 | Ackis | I stopped reading the description after it said "you aren't an idiot" |
| 15:43.36 | mikma | me too |
| 15:45.02 | foxlit | teehee |
| 15:45.08 | foxlit | (a) TB is in my SC2 league |
| 15:45.21 | mikma | what's that |
| 15:45.23 | Ackis | Thunder Bluff? |
| 15:45.23 | Lunessa | I am not an idiot, but I play one on the forums. |
| 15:45.45 | zenzelezz | you play it well |
| 15:45.46 | foxlit | (b) He's posting commented replays as a series of "I suck at SC2!" videos. |
| 15:45.46 | Lopeppeppy | I am not a girl, but I play one on Teamspeak. |
| 15:46.06 | Ackis | I knew it Lopeppeppy! |
| 15:46.20 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: You just killed the fantasy life of many channel regulars. |
| 15:46.23 | foxlit | mikma: totalbiscuit |
| 15:47.13 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, Shirik can still vouch for my girly-reality. |
| 15:47.48 | Lunessa | I'm pretty sure I can too. :P |
| 15:47.57 | zenzelezz | dude |
| 15:48.03 | zenzelezz | this is where you should ask for definite proof |
| 15:48.10 | frontendloader | I'm not a creepy guy, I just play one on the...wait what? |
| 15:48.27 | Lunessa | frontendloader: I AM a creepy guy. |
| 15:48.36 | Lopeppeppy | Nuh-uh, you only see pictures, Shirik has embraced the goods. |
| 15:48.38 | zenzelezz | all guys are creepy |
| 15:48.52 | zenzelezz | most guys embrace their goods |
| 15:48.58 | zenzelezz | it's not something we talk much about |
| 15:49.05 | Seerah | I have embraced! |
| 15:49.13 | Lunessa | Except on the internetz. |
| 15:49.30 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92Rv-s-7rNk |
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| 15:52.24 | Lopeppeppy | True, Seerah and Cairenn also have embraced, and would give accurate report. |
| 15:52.48 | zenzelezz | we would love an accurate report |
| 15:53.02 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy == female |
| 15:54.04 | Lopeppeppy | There are public pictures too. |
| 15:54.23 | Ackis | photoshopped no doubt |
| 15:54.40 | Seerah | what, you think we just drew boobs on it? |
| 15:54.52 | Ackis | hehehe booobs |
| 15:54.53 | Lopeppeppy | With magic marker, and then had Dolby scan it in or something. |
| 15:56.54 | theorbtwo | Heh, naturally... try a google image search of lopepeppy. |
| 15:57.08 | Zyonin | OK, it seems I missed something while I was fetching the kid from school |
| 15:58.04 | Lopeppeppy | Ues, first hit is my wowinterface icon! |
| 15:58.21 | Seerah | second hit is a kitty in a toilet.... |
| 15:59.04 | Lopeppeppy | yeah, well... |
| 16:00.34 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1615 |
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| 16:02.09 | zenzelezz | " According to Activision, 'The company intends to expand the Call of Duty brand with the same focus seen in its Blizzard Entertainment business unit. This will include a focus on high-margin digital online content and further[ing] the brand as the leading action entertainment franchise in new geographies, new genres and with new digital business models.'" |
| 16:02.20 | zenzelezz | good to know they're not focusing on analog online content |
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| 16:07.44 | p3lim | Currently I have my healthbar set to show missing health by using :SetMinMaxValues(0, max) and :SetValue(max - current) |
| 16:08.07 | p3lim | I'd like to have it go from right to left instead of left to right, but still only show missing health¨ |
| 16:08.22 | p3lim | Anyone know if that is even possible with the default statusbar frame API |
| 16:08.25 | Lunessa | So, World of CoD Online - and in different nations, your uniform will be different, and your enemies will be the US? |
| 16:08.39 | zenzelezz | p3lim: I believe not. I think you have to make your own |
| 16:08.47 | zenzelezz | I did that anyway, might have changed since then |
| 16:08.50 | foxlit | Sure. |
| 16:09.14 | foxlit | Make a texture behind your status bar |
| 16:09.25 | frontendloader | ruby's syntax reminds me of hannibal lecter every time I use it |
| 16:09.34 | frontendloader | it puts the string in stdout or else it gets the hose again |
| 16:09.41 | zenzelezz | foxlit: that's still rolling your own, I'd say |
| 16:09.57 | foxlit | zenzelezz: you don't have to do anything to maintain it, though |
| 16:10.10 | Lunessa | frontendloader: Wrong villain, right movie. |
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| 16:10.56 | Seerah | p3lim: I just tried to find the thread I saw the other day about this, but I have a headache and didn't look very long :( But I remember them saying SetMinMaxValues(max,min) will do it (also that you'll need to swap colors) |
| 16:11.00 | zenzelezz | foxlit: then I must have misunderstood his question or something |
| 16:11.19 | frontendloader | Lunessa: suppose you're right, I've never watched any of those movies intently |
| 16:11.41 | p3lim | Seerah: know what forum it was so I can check myself? |
| 16:11.55 | Seerah | I *think* it was wowi... may have been wowace, though |
| 16:12.11 | foxlit | p3lim: just try it in game. |
| 16:12.27 | foxlit | My guess is that you'll get an immediate error on :SetMinMaxValues(max, min) |
| 16:12.35 | p3lim | you wont |
| 16:13.11 | Lunessa | Seerah & p3lim - actually WoW UI & M had a thread on it 3-4 days ago. |
| 16:13.15 | zenzelezz | suppose you could SetValue(max - (max - current)) |
| 16:13.21 | Seerah | sighs |
| 16:13.25 | Seerah | maybe that's where it was :) |
| 16:13.34 | foxlit | zenzelezz: you're mad. |
| 16:13.41 | foxlit | max - (max - current) == current |
| 16:13.43 | zenzelezz | what else is new |
| 16:13.58 | Seerah | zenzelezz: that would still fill/deplete the default way. |
| 16:13.59 | zenzelezz | my idea is sound, I just have trouble putting it to words |
| 16:14.27 | p3lim | Lunessa: thanks for the tip, EU or US? |
| 16:14.28 | Seerah | anchored to the left with the right side moving. p3lim wants anchored to the right with the left side moving |
| 16:14.33 | Seerah | US |
| 16:14.49 | 92AAABJ07 | what the hell |
| 16:14.54 | zenzelezz | that's what I thought |
| 16:15.14 | Lunessa | US. I don't hold with them funny furriners. :P |
| 16:15.21 | zenzelezz | and as I said initially, I couldn't see a way to use the standard control that way; so I used custom textures and did it all manually |
| 16:15.56 | Lopeppeppy | Furry ferriers? |
| 16:16.20 | p3lim | zenzelezz: thats what I have now, I'm just wondering if it could be done with the statusbar frame API |
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| 16:16.34 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: nah, those would be canadians... |
| 16:16.48 | Lunessa | p3lim: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23425636906&sid=1 |
| 16:16.59 | Seerah | hugs Lunessa |
| 16:17.18 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa is made of win. |
| 16:18.18 | p3lim | Just one issue with swapping the colors |
| 16:18.30 | Lunessa | I kid about foreigners, but since my account can't post in EU forums, I generally don't bother reading them. |
| 16:18.36 | p3lim | currently, my background is transparent, while the statusbar grows onto it |
| 16:18.43 | p3lim | that wont work with color swaps |
| 16:19.08 | Seerah | make the statusbar transparent and the background not? |
| 16:19.21 | Seerah | shrugs |
| 16:20.56 | Seerah | goes to shake off the headache |
| 16:21.06 | Lunessa | uploadsadvil. |
| 16:21.17 | p3lim | Seerah|away: look at raidframes: http://www.p3lim.net/images/180823.jpg |
| 16:21.19 | Lunessa | and adds a spacebar. |
| 16:21.59 | p3lim | making statusbar transparent and background not will make the background visible |
| 16:27.57 | Lopeppeppy | wants to play! Maybe patches up this weekend, rawr. |
| 16:30.59 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, question about stitches. Are they supposed to ITCH this much? I'm about to cut them out myself, honestly. Argh. |
| 16:34.30 | cbreak | itching means it's healing |
| 16:34.34 | cbreak | what ever it is |
| 16:34.56 | Lopeppeppy | stitches from hand surgery. They're coming out today, and only started itching madly today, thank the gods. |
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| 16:35.41 | p3lim | I'd actually look at this as faulty API tbh |
| 16:35.56 | p3lim | :SetMinMaxValues(0, 10) :SetValue(5) works fine |
| 16:36.10 | p3lim | but :SetMinMaxValues(10, 0) :SetValue(5) doesnt do shit |
| 16:36.14 | p3lim | while it should |
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| 16:36.34 | p3lim | And that should be all whats needed to reverse the fill |
| 16:42.46 | Adys | question to all you frost mages from pre bc |
| 16:42.54 | Adys | didnt ice block use to freeze you in the air? |
| 16:46.55 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Stiches itch. It's what they do. Since they're due out today, then you should get some substantial relief from itching after they're out. You'll still itch as the flesh knits and skin grows. Don't scratch much. |
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| 16:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | Wants to!!!! |
| 16:50.14 | Lopeppeppy | Worst is I'm allergic to adhesives so I can't even cover it with a bandaid after, to remind me not to itch. :) I just have to remember. |
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| 16:51.58 | cbreak | Lopeppeppy: Runecloth Bandage. No adhesive |
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| 16:54.12 | Lopeppeppy | I actually have some ace-bandage type stuff that doesn't irritate my skin. It's overkill, but I can use it if I have to. |
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| 17:13.25 | Shirik | waves at Lopeppeppy |
| 17:13.36 | Lopeppeppy | hi hi |
| 17:14.24 | Kraps | Frostweave keeps it chilly too no? |
| 17:14.40 | Shirik | ok so this is an epic problem |
| 17:14.48 | Shirik | I have this "mute" button on my laptop |
| 17:14.55 | Shirik | it works perfectly, it turns on/off the sound |
| 17:15.08 | Shirik | but whenever I push it, UAC pops up, and only if I approve, it changes the sound |
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| 17:15.14 | Shirik | wtf needs UAC to change volume |
| 17:15.19 | Lopeppeppy | sexy. NOT!!!!!!!! |
| 17:15.21 | haste | lol |
| 17:15.30 | haste | UAC is great DAAAA NEEEEEEE Shirik |
| 17:15.41 | Shirik | UAC is great |
| 17:15.48 | Shirik | morons that don't know how to code for UAC are stupid |
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| 17:15.58 | durcyn | UAC colonized mars, they must be doing something right |
| 17:15.58 | Lopeppeppy | UAC has awesome uses. It's just when it goes wrong it goes hideously wrong. :) |
| 17:16.07 | haste | yep, and thanks to them UAC is making people click without knowing |
| 17:16.17 | Shirik | and you blame the technology for that?> |
| 17:16.36 | Shirik | If linux was popular, you'd have every idiotic company saying "You need to use root" all the time |
| 17:16.46 | Shirik | and then people would just blindly use root for everything |
| 17:17.13 | haste | note that I'm agreeing with you on moron developers tailoring users into click-bots due to incorrect usage of UAC |
| 17:17.39 | haste | but as it is now it doesn't help the average users too much due to that |
| 17:18.04 | Shirik | helps me |
| 17:18.07 | Shirik | that's all I care about |
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| 17:19.28 | Kraps | whats the point of cooldowns on stuff like http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34975 |
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| 17:20.55 | Shirik | fairness to others |
| 17:21.19 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: solution: pester the developers of the hotkey software and use the windows mixer in the meantime :< |
| 17:21.34 | Lopeppeppy | when you have to ask "what's the point" it's probably about balance, somehow. |
| 17:23.35 | p3lim | its to force you to do something else while waiting, like killing mob or scratch your stiches or whatever |
| 17:24.21 | Lopeppeppy | Scratching promotes scarring. |
| 17:24.44 | p3lim | chicks digs scars |
| 17:24.50 | Ackis | sighs. |
| 17:24.52 | p3lim | :D |
| 17:25.24 | p3lim | put cool-aid on it or something :) |
| 17:25.41 | Lopeppeppy | I am a chix, I don't want one! |
| 17:26.12 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, I've already accepted this one as my reality. Today it just itches. |
| 17:26.16 | Kraps | wut ur a gurl |
| 17:26.17 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: when my face was sliced up I didn't scratch them, I just touched the skin around the cut and moved them, healed up quite well (possible work around) |
| 17:26.19 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Ackis, who is a handsome devil. |
| 17:26.34 | Gnarfoz | not touching = best course of action |
| 17:26.50 | Lopeppeppy | This is on the inside of my thumb, so if I keep my hand balled up I should be mostly good. |
| 17:27.10 | Gnarfoz | tape it up. ;p |
| 17:27.14 | Shirik | put cool aid on it? |
| 17:27.17 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, allergic to adhesives |
| 17:27.20 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 17:27.35 | Shirik | also, Lopeppeppy prefers to scratch other things/beings |
| 17:27.45 | Lopeppeppy | Meow. |
| 17:28.00 | Lopeppeppy | The Boyfriend apparently brought my cat a box for a toy today. She was very happy over the phone. |
| 17:28.20 | Shirik | heh |
| 17:29.18 | Ackis | I think I'm going to have to get a few cats destroyed :( |
| 17:29.44 | Olison | :<<<<< |
| 17:29.53 | Olison | Don't destroy cats! Give them to me! |
| 17:30.08 | Kraps | cat filet? |
| 17:30.14 | p3lim | yummy |
| 17:30.28 | Ackis | feral cats living outside my place, breeding and making more kittens for me to deal with, and no one locally seems to want to help + law states I have to take them into the pound =/ |
| 17:30.54 | p3lim | I also sliced my thumb like 3 months ago, healed up quite good |
| 17:31.07 | p3lim | 9 stiches, one through the nail |
| 17:31.30 | Olison | Ah, I see, Ackis. Quite an unfortunate situation |
| 17:31.34 | Ackis | pfft htat's nothing p3lim |
| 17:32.40 | p3lim | week later I got a rift on my eyeball due to bad grip in the same hand |
| 17:33.03 | p3lim | stupid tiles :/ |
| 17:33.26 | p3lim | blinded for two weeks :< |
| 17:33.36 | Ackis | blinded by the light |
| 17:34.00 | Cide | hi |
| 17:34.48 | Lopeppeppy | hi |
| 17:34.48 | Lunessa | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-150467.html |
| 17:34.48 | Fisker | in b4 your boyfriend is a girl Lopeppeppy |
| 17:35.43 | Ackis | in b4 Fisker is a girl... and a mac fangirl |
| 17:35.57 | Fisker | oh god |
| 17:36.19 | Lopeppeppy | nah, the boyfriend just wants my cat to stop hating him. |
| 17:36.38 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: tell him to roll around in catnip |
| 17:36.52 | Lopeppeppy | She does not enjoy the 'nip. |
| 17:37.14 | Shadowed | Fisker is gender neutral |
| 17:37.49 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, Lunessa, that so reminds me of the school with the laptop surveillance. |
| 17:38.10 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: *nod* |
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| 17:42.01 | Adys | hm |
| 17:42.03 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/36498/nerubian-mace/ |
| 17:42.08 | Adys | I just got 7 infinite dusts from that |
| 17:42.10 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, I got a get well card from my surgery team. *facepalm* |
| 17:42.25 | Adys | anyone knows what the real amount is? |
| 17:42.32 | Cide | 2 to 9000+ |
| 17:42.42 | Shadowed | Lopeppeppy: "Get well, hope to see you soon?" |
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| 17:42.52 | Kraps | how does a necropolis crash? |
| 17:42.55 | Lopeppeppy | Well, he will see me soon, that's hilarious. |
| 17:43.09 | Adys | Kraps: brrrvrrrrrshhhhhhhhBRAMMm |
| 17:43.13 | Kraps | was a dranei flying it? |
| 17:44.30 | Lopeppeppy | Ran out of dead people. |
| 17:45.09 | DWSR | morning |
| 17:46.18 | DWSR | Adys: Didn't they up the amount of Infinite Dust that everything disenchants into a few patches ago? |
| 17:46.23 | Seerah | morning, DWSR |
| 17:46.33 | DWSR | huggles Shirik's ZNC scrollback |
| 17:46.40 | Adys | yeah Im pretty sure they did DWSR |
| 17:47.03 | DWSR | Adys: So, that page probably doesn't have the new disenchant info. |
| 17:47.16 | Adys | it doesnt because I havent put it in :P |
| 17:47.28 | DWSR | lol@manual data scraping. |
| 17:47.31 | DWSR | ;) |
| 17:47.37 | Adys | disenchanting tables are static |
| 17:47.45 | Adys | but it seems its 2-7 |
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| 17:48.33 | DWSR | Adys: That is what I understood them to be as well. |
| 17:48.47 | Adys | they even leaked at some point during tbc alpha |
| 17:48.54 | Adys | btw |
| 17:48.56 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/168394/ |
| 17:49.12 | DWSR | ah, heh. |
| 17:49.25 | DWSR | Adys: I believe they bumped everything to 3-7, but it might still be 2-7. |
| 17:49.37 | DWSR | Haven't only had 2 infinite dust from something at lv80 in a while. |
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| 17:54.06 | alestane | I think you'll enjoy reading this if you haven't seen it yet, Lunessa: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/feb/02/terry-pratchett-assisted-suicide-tribunal |
| 17:54.23 | alestane | Are stitches all gone now, Peppy? |
| 17:56.40 | Lopeppeppy | 3:30 |
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| 17:58.24 | alestane | So it's a late appointment compared to your surgery. |
| 18:00.50 | Lopeppeppy | oh hell yeah. 6:45am versus 3:30 pm! |
| 18:02.20 | Shirik | Why Wikipedia is bad for programmers: It leads to five million examples because everyone wants the example in their own pet language: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Collatz_conjecture&diff=347942449&oldid=347940114 |
| 18:02.36 | Shirik | I just removed like 20 examples, leaving only the pseudocode, because everyone had put in a different example |
| 18:02.43 | Shirik | We literally had everything from Haskell to Excel. |
| 18:02.48 | Shirik | Who the hell puts an example in Excel |
| 18:02.51 | haste | and there's already a wiki dedicated to that |
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| 18:03.13 | Ackis | alestane: I like that article you linked |
| 18:05.04 | DWSR | Shirik: It's the XKCD effect, amirite? |
| 18:05.09 | Shirik | yup |
| 18:07.41 | Lopeppeppy | publicity sometimes sucks |
| 18:10.42 | Lunessa | Publicity usually sucks unless you're seeking it for a specific need. |
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| 18:20.23 | NeoTron | so husks in Mass Effect (both versions) are like zombies |
| 18:20.26 | NeoTron | but fast! |
| 18:22.00 | Shirik | lol: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=&user=&page=User:EvenHitlerHadAGirlfriend...AdministratorsDont-GoFigure.&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1&limit=1 |
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| 18:35.40 | Kraps | Shirik: ha |
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| 18:37.26 | Lunessa | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/3/5/ - ROFL |
| 18:38.27 | Shirik | yeah |
| 18:38.31 | Shirik | that's why I can't play those kinds of games |
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| 18:39.23 | Lunessa | So, you don't do well at poker? |
| 18:40.17 | Shirik | yup |
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| 18:40.20 | Shirik | I can play the game |
| 18:40.23 | Shirik | and I have done so online |
| 18:40.25 | Shirik | I do well |
| 18:40.32 | Shirik | but when it comes to actually sitting down and playing... lol no |
| 18:41.03 | Lunessa | notes to pack a deck of cards for BlizzCon. |
| 18:41.13 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:41.20 | Shirik | why do you hate me |
| 18:41.36 | Lunessa | I don't hate you. I just love your money more. |
| 18:42.30 | Lunessa | Man, not one laugh. Not one. |
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| 18:44.42 | Ackis | ha |
| 18:44.54 | Shirik | Lunessa: Because the people here respect and adore me |
| 18:44.58 | Lunessa | Tough room. |
| 18:45.31 | Ackis | no we don't Shirik |
| 18:45.42 | Lunessa | http://ihasahotdog.com/upcoming/?pid=52706 - dog or mutant kangaroo? You make the call! |
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| 18:49.12 | Lopeppeppy | Roo |
| 18:50.21 | Lunessa | And.... http://failblog.org/2010/03/05/fellatio-fail/ |
| 18:50.26 | Lunessa | SFW |
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| 18:52.10 | Kraps | lol i just noticed the plaque at the statue og hemet at the d.e.h.t.a. camp |
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| 18:52.50 | foxlit | Fisker, join me at Telia offices. |
| 19:00.04 | Fisker | why would i foxlit ? |
| 19:00.32 | foxlit | because |
| 19:00.52 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.52 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:04.20 | Gnarfoz | you has good latencies, yes |
| 19:04.37 | Ackis | Portal 2 announced |
| 19:04.40 | Ackis | It's not a lie |
| 19:05.04 | Cide | if it's not a lie |
| 19:05.07 | Cide | where is the link |
| 19:05.24 | Cide | oh |
| 19:05.30 | Cide | it was announced like 3 weeks ago |
| 19:05.35 | Cide | 2 |
| 19:06.00 | Ackis | hinted at, not announced |
| 19:06.08 | Ackis | they updated portal with a new ending yesterday |
| 19:06.14 | Cide | http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/683036/Portal_2_Confirmed_on_XPlay.html |
| 19:06.23 | Cide | that was ~2 weeks ago |
| 19:07.49 | Ackis | g4tv isn't real news! yeah! that's it :P |
| 19:10.17 | Fisker | lol Cide |
| 19:10.20 | Fisker | "2008" |
| 19:10.28 | Cide | fail me |
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| 19:10.53 | Fisker | besides you might as well say that by that stretch CS2 has already been announced |
| 19:11.01 | Ackis | I just got trolled :( |
| 19:11.07 | Fisker | even though it's obviously not happening |
| 19:13.04 | Ackis | Fisker: do you support Infantry Ward or Activision? |
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| 19:14.09 | foxlit | Darion doesn't really do much in ICC, does he? |
| 19:18.05 | Fisker | neither Ackis |
| 19:18.13 | Fisker | i do howerver support the 2 former employees |
| 19:18.16 | Fisker | btw foxlit l2internet |
| 19:18.32 | foxlit | moo? |
| 19:19.22 | Fisker | high latencies doesn't nessecarily make it a telia problem |
| 19:19.40 | Ackis | Fisker: you support Infantry Ward then. |
| 19:19.43 | Ackis | ~Fisker++ |
| 19:19.48 | Fisker | no Ackis |
| 19:20.03 | foxlit | a spike between two tealia hops, though? |
| 19:20.20 | Fisker | between your mother perhaps! |
| 19:20.21 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 19:20.28 | Fisker | what route are you tracing? |
| 19:20.40 | foxlit | to 80.239.179.13 |
| 19:21.28 | Ackis | I want the IP address: 86.7.53.09 |
| 19:21.53 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.55 | Fisker | mine is fine |
| 19:22.55 | foxlit | Fascinating |
| 19:23.11 | foxlit | What's the preceding hop? |
| 19:23.11 | Fisker | mine goes through kbn-bb2 though |
| 19:23.14 | Fisker | just saw |
| 19:23.58 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.03 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.03 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.54 | Gnarfoz | I hate having linux issues that I can't successfully google a solution to :F |
| 19:25.12 | foxlit | grumble. Wonder what's up, then. |
| 19:25.13 | Gnarfoz | kernel: [574171.188339] __ratelimit: 15 messages suppressed <-- what. |
| 19:25.24 | Kraps | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/08/24/this-meeting-is-over/ |
| 19:26.41 | Fisker | well could be an issue at the bb1 one hop :P |
| 19:27.00 | Dashkal | The obvious answer is to debug your kernel and do a trace on __ratelimit. duh |
| 19:27.28 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: "white words on black background" is pretty much all I gathered from that line |
| 19:27.34 | Dashkal | :P |
| 19:27.40 | Dashkal | I was just trolling |
| 19:28.06 | foxlit | http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.6/27/lib/ratelimit.c << clearly your message there |
| 19:28.09 | Gnarfoz | it happens when I max out my pppoe dsl line |
| 19:28.12 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:28.27 | Fisker | u |
| 19:28.34 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: amazingly enough, I had already googled a mailing list post about that patch |
| 19:28.49 | Gnarfoz | however, I'm running a newer kernel than that |
| 19:29.02 | Gnarfoz | I'm not, actually |
| 19:29.04 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 19:29.22 | Gnarfoz | durrr I checked on my server rather than on my router |
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| 19:29.31 | Ackis | I use Win 7 and don't get those errors, l2windows |
| 19:29.48 | ogreinside | I have a hacked-up mod that works right now, but thinking of starting over so I can do localization properly, and generally do things better. Is this still a valid guide: http://old.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace3_Addon |
| 19:29.59 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: I use win7, too, durrr |
| 19:30.18 | Gnarfoz | I bet you don't use yours as a home router, thoough :D |
| 19:30.32 | ogreinside | played around with different mods to build an options UI, xml method is making my head spin, looks like the ac3 libraries would make this easeier |
| 19:30.40 | foxlit | [That is an amazing amount of libs] |
| 19:30.45 | Ackis | I have a d-link piece of shit that I use :D |
| 19:31.02 | Gnarfoz | go troll in the snow please, Ackis |
| 19:31.06 | ogreinside | a/ac3/ace3/ |
| 19:31.11 | ogreinside | er .. |
| 19:31.16 | ogreinside | s/ac3/ace3/ |
| 19:31.35 | Ackis | ac2 will have multiplayer |
| 19:31.48 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: what made me think this could not be related was the fact that the mailing list post is from may 2008. :F |
| 19:32.13 | foxlit | Message text matches, though. |
| 19:32.23 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's the same patch |
| 19:32.41 | Dashkal | I was using my XP box as a home router for a bit. Much to my surprise, it actually worked. |
| 19:33.46 | Dashkal | Only reason I even attempted that abomination was cause we only have one wireless card for two computers. Glad that's delt with |
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| 19:40.16 | foxlit | Fisker: http://trace.tele.dk/cgi-bin/traceroute.pl?targethost=80.91.250.30 |
| 19:44.56 | Kraps | http://cantankwilltravel.blogspot.com/2010/02/newbies-then-and-now.html |
| 19:46.56 | Lunessa | "They almost have never used WoWWiki - which is good because it still says things like Shamans are tanks." REALLY? |
| 19:47.30 | haste | Shamans are tanks?! |
| 19:47.37 | Lopeppeppy | I've seen a shaman tank in Gruul's Lair... |
| 19:47.43 | nicoli_s | warlocks are tanks too |
| 19:48.04 | Lopeppeppy | Mages, pallies... it seems everyone is a situational tank sometime or another. |
| 19:48.11 | Lunessa | Heh, ask Kamdis about me tanking as a shaman. After the tears of agony stop, she might relent to tell stories. |
| 19:48.21 | alestane | I've seen a resto shammie tank ZF like a champ. |
| 19:48.38 | alestane | That wasn't end game content of course. |
| 19:51.15 | Lopeppeppy | okay, I'm off to see the stitch-witch and then go home and take a scrubby long blissful shower!! |
| 19:51.31 | Kraps | Lunessa: the game changes fairly quickly and it seem that wowwiki only catches the intermediate-to-major changes |
| 19:51.40 | Kraps | good luck Lopeppeppy! |
| 19:57.04 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: except, of course, shaman have never been tanks so there's no reason for wowwiki to say so |
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| 19:57.25 | Kraps | dur |
| 19:57.32 | awweaver | kek |
| 19:57.45 | awweaver | Hello |
| 19:58.02 | awweaver | and Yay my addon is on curse and avalible for download |
| 19:58.21 | Kraps | what is it? |
| 19:58.32 | awweaver | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/jerklist.aspx |
| 20:01.32 | awweaver | It's on WoWI too... |
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| 20:06.25 | awweaver | Hello, ckknight |
| 20:06.30 | ckknight | howdy |
| 20:06.38 | olafski | shh ckknight is a criminal |
| 20:06.49 | ZorbaTHut | gnarfoz, in original 1.0 they actually could be used as tanks, and they had pretty unarguably tanky talents |
| 20:07.00 | ckknight | olafski: bah |
| 20:07.08 | olafski | zorbathut: like earth shock? =) |
| 20:07.08 | Gnarfoz | ZorbaTHut: huh? details. |
| 20:07.13 | olafski | hm that wasn't a talent |
| 20:07.19 | olafski | sorry ckknight :( |
| 20:07.31 | ZorbaTHut | Earth Shock used to have bonus threat on it |
| 20:07.36 | Gnarfoz | I thought 1.1 was the release version :P |
| 20:07.37 | olafski | yeah |
| 20:07.46 | olafski | it had bonus threat all throughout vanilla iirc |
| 20:07.46 | ZorbaTHut | http://wowvault.ign.com/View.php?category_select_id=11&category_show_all=0&view=Talents.View.Beta here, old Shaman tree |
| 20:07.47 | Gnarfoz | well, Frost Shock has it now, so that's still in the game |
| 20:07.58 | ZorbaTHut | note the shieldblock chance increase, the parry talent, the armor-from-items bonus talent |
| 20:08.01 | Gnarfoz | beta != live |
| 20:08.13 | ZorbaTHut | hell, defense skill talent |
| 20:08.22 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* find a release-day talent list, then |
| 20:08.25 | ZorbaTHut | I think it's roughly the same |
| 20:08.52 | ckknight | yea, they positioned Shamans to be off-tanks |
| 20:08.52 | Gnarfoz | it's well known they originally intended them to be able to tank, but that never made it live <- is basically what it boils down to |
| 20:08.59 | Gnarfoz | ckknight: they wanted to but never did |
| 20:09.10 | ckknight | yea |
| 20:09.35 | awweaver | Mage tanking FTW |
| 20:09.48 | Gnarfoz | anyway, suggesting to people *now* that Shaman are tanks is ridiculous and any page on WoWWiki that says so should probably be changed :p |
| 20:10.07 | durcyn | retcon that shit out of existence |
| 20:10.16 | ZorbaTHut | http://wowvault.ign.com/View.php?category_select_id=7&category_show_all=0&view=Talents.View found 1.9 talents, they've got basically the same stuff there |
| 20:10.31 | ZorbaTHut | (assuming the site is accurate) |
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| 20:10.40 | awweaver | :( i want people to dl my addon...i guess i just have to wait |
| 20:10.59 | ZorbaTHut | awweaver, gotta advertise it, people need to know why yours is better than the other alternatives |
| 20:11.00 | ZorbaTHut | including "not using it" |
| 20:11.21 | awweaver | Umm...its the only one of its kind |
| 20:11.22 | awweaver | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/jerklist.aspx |
| 20:11.35 | ckknight | nah, other addons exist like that |
| 20:11.44 | ZorbaTHut | I dunno about that, I've got a UI mod that puts things in tooltips |
| 20:11.50 | ZorbaTHut | hell I think I've got two or three |
| 20:12.07 | awweaver | Ill get there...but baby steps |
| 20:12.08 | Gnarfoz | it's called a blacklist, and there's lots of addons that fill that functionality, really |
| 20:12.22 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 20:12.27 | theorbtwo | Now, sendtoguild sounds like interesting functionality. |
| 20:12.31 | Gagorian | awweaver: You should probably change your few global variables to locals |
| 20:12.40 | theorbtwo | Web-of-trust, generally, sounds interesting. |
| 20:12.43 | awweaver | y? |
| 20:13.26 | Gagorian | There's no real good reason to 'leak globals' |
| 20:13.41 | durcyn | awweaver: because polluting the global namespace not only can result in unforseen interactions with other code that may do the same, it's a terrible habit. |
| 20:17.12 | Kraps | my brain hurts http://ezrachatterton.net/index.php/topic,209.0.html |
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| 20:19.10 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/03/magic_turning_your_arm_into_a.php |
| 20:24.28 | nevcairiel | thats kinda awesome |
| 20:25.00 | Adys | turning your arm into a php? |
| 20:25.03 | Adys | why would I want that? |
| 20:25.16 | Gnarfoz | I wonder |
| 20:29.03 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23425639233&sid=1 |
| 20:30.46 | Kraps | meh, it had potential |
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| 20:32.42 | NeoTron | mikma: problem is, it's just a sensor. For it to be leet the display needs to be under your skin :P |
| 20:35.08 | NeoTron | mikma: although I suppose augmented reality (i.e headsup display) that provides the same data would work :P |
| 20:39.08 | Ackis | there's a new dog collar that will tweet when your dog barks |
| 20:40.50 | Adys | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?n=Healina&r=Bloodhoof |
| 20:40.51 | Adys | man |
| 20:40.57 | Adys | these characters still exist |
| 20:41.03 | Adys | those guys should get a feat of strength. |
| 20:41.33 | Ackis | fail @ dreadmist :( |
| 20:41.44 | Adys | dude |
| 20:41.48 | Adys | dreadmist is awesome |
| 20:42.01 | Ackis | I thought they were going for full trans |
| 20:42.09 | Adys | no |
| 20:42.15 | Ackis | I should've logged out in Dungeon 2 |
| 20:42.16 | Adys | this is an awesome character |
| 20:42.21 | Adys | no sockets |
| 20:42.23 | Adys | no haste |
| 20:42.26 | Adys | no gay stats |
| 20:42.31 | DWSR | Which faction should I pick for mining/JC? Frenzyheart or Oracles? |
| 20:42.52 | Adys | both? |
| 20:42.55 | Adys | just do one after the other |
| 20:45.42 | Ackis | Fisker: http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/03/340x_custom_1267805013832_biggeriw.jpg |
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| 20:47.28 | Lunessa | Ackis: That image is making fun of someone I've met from Infinity Ward. |
| 20:47.53 | Dashkal | I often wonder... Are there any sites that watch the wow bug forums and take snapshots of posts before they edit them out for blue eyes? |
| 20:49.18 | Ackis | Lunessa: it's comparing the debacle of IW/Activision with Conan/Leno |
| 20:49.49 | nicoli_s | except IW/Activision are cool and conan/leno both blow |
| 20:50.21 | Lunessa | Ah, because there is a fellow from there with orange hair in a wedge shape and shaved sides. Name escapes me. Friend of a friend guy I met at dinner once night. |
| 20:51.05 | Ackis | nicoli_s: I would argue that both IW/Activision are not cool :P |
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| 20:51.39 | nicoli_s | well maybe not activision |
| 20:51.43 | nicoli_s | but still, IW rocks |
| 20:51.59 | Ackis | they do? for producing the same game 10x? :P |
| 20:52.19 | nicoli_s | i personally loved the shit out of all the games of theirs i played |
| 20:52.26 | nicoli_s | i mean i didnt pay for em:P but still |
| 20:52.31 | Adys | I'm chaining AV wins |
| 20:52.33 | Adys | awesomeness |
| 20:53.03 | Ackis | I enjoyed them somewhat, but MW2 sold like $1 billion and had how many game breaking glitches? Now that BFBC2 is out MW2 will set new records as the most traded in game lulz |
| 20:54.27 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/guess-what-google-fears-the-next-google/ - Headline is so win. |
| 20:55.25 | nicoli_s | meh, i didnt like bfbc2 |
| 20:56.01 | nicoli_s | and as far as im concerned, theres no difference between mw1 -> mw2 and doing sc1 -> sc2 |
| 20:56.09 | nicoli_s | theres nothing wrong with incremental upgrades |
| 20:56.15 | Ackis | lol at http://twitter.com/ConanOBrien/status/10041591698 |
| 20:56.26 | Ackis | conan has 600k followers and now he's following 1 person |
| 20:56.31 | nicoli_s | granted, i think 60 a game is still expensive |
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| 20:58.22 | Ackis | haha I'm amused |
| 20:58.23 | Ackis | easily |
| 20:59.23 | Shirik | we know this |
| 20:59.30 | NeoTron | and banned too |
| 20:59.39 | Shadowed | Ackis is banned?! |
| 20:59.41 | Ackis | she's up to 800 followers in about 5 minutes heh |
| 20:59.43 | Ackis | lulz |
| 20:59.53 | NeoTron | so why is the PS3 so rare all of a sudden? |
| 21:00.39 | Ackis | because I'm banned |
| 21:01.20 | NeoTron | just curious. It's like it's a new console with months wait times or excessive prices on ebay |
| 21:02.27 | foxlit | wtb cataclysm water effects |
| 21:03.11 | nevcairiel | wtb cataclysm |
| 21:03.16 | haste | wtb water effects |
| 21:03.30 | haste | people are like: zomg goblins! |
| 21:03.34 | haste | and I'm like.. zmog WATER |
| 21:03.45 | nevcairiel | I'm like .. zomg addon changes |
| 21:04.01 | Shadowed | Ackis: What did she do, offer naked pictures? |
| 21:04.06 | olafski | so holy wrath.. is it "damages nearby enemies and stuns undead" or "damages and stuns nearby undead"? |
| 21:04.06 | foxlit | zomg why? |
| 21:04.24 | Ackis | Shadowed: no, just randomly got followed by Conan |
| 21:04.37 | Shadowed | haha |
| 21:04.45 | Ackis | http://twitter.com/ConanOBrien |
| 21:04.50 | Ackis | he follows 1 person |
| 21:04.52 | Ackis | and he announced it |
| 21:05.15 | Shadowed | haha |
| 21:05.18 | Shadowed | 1700 in 10 minutes |
| 21:05.23 | nevcairiel | do i have to know who that is? |
| 21:05.42 | Shadowed | nevcairiel: He's some talk guy that is now jobless and media whoring on twitter |
| 21:06.55 | nevcairiel | in other news, writing a action bar addon from scratch is alot of work |
| 21:07.09 | nevcairiel | olafski: it was only undead, but they changed it to dmg everything, iirc |
| 21:07.26 | Shadowed | Got tired of Bartender nevcairiel? |
| 21:08.15 | nevcairiel | its technically still bartender, but with all what i want to change, its probably easier to rewrite the core, and then borrow code once thats done |
| 21:08.33 | Ackis | bartender5! |
| 21:08.40 | olafski | nevcairiel: yeah I thought someone said that in here earlier.. maybe I should just try instead of ask |
| 21:09.00 | Shadowed | Call it Bartender Vista |
| 21:09.02 | Ackis | http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/03/05/patriot-shows-off-a-monster-40-ssd-equipped-computer/ $60k PC 155,000 IOPS/s |
| 21:09.13 | Shadowed | and yet it still lags in Dalaran Ackis |
| 21:09.19 | Ackis | lulz |
| 21:09.23 | Ackis | I wouldn't know, I'm banned |
| 21:09.33 | nevcairiel | I was going for Bartender4.5, dont want to abandon Bartender4 and just force people onto the new version with cataclysm :P |
| 21:09.46 | Shadowed | So you want to maintain two versions |
| 21:09.49 | Shadowed | that seems like a bitch |
| 21:10.01 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 21:10.12 | nevcairiel | once cata hits, everyone will be upgraded to the new version |
| 21:10.27 | olafski | nevcairiel: it doesn't work on training dummies :< |
| 21:10.32 | nevcairiel | and until then, the new version will hide in a git clone |
| 21:11.06 | nevcairiel | still alot of time to rewrite all the existing features :d |
| 21:13.05 | NeoTron | ahah. John Romero just became a fan of John Romero on facebook |
| 21:13.27 | olafski | we need more lame healing fruit! |
| 21:16.08 | olafski | I'm not sure I understand the article ackis.. all those SSDs would surely mean that it has fast I/O, it doesn't mention anything about the cpu or graphics though? |
| 21:17.19 | olafski | IOPS/s is lol btw :( |
| 21:17.54 | NeoTron | it's important for databases |
| 21:18.02 | Kraps | conan is meh |
| 21:18.13 | Kraps | feguson is win |
| 21:18.27 | olafski | myeah neotron.. but I wouldn't call this the fastest system in the world.. at best "fastest I/O" :) |
| 21:18.40 | olafski | and my lol comment was about "input output operations per second per second" |
| 21:19.15 | Kraps | Adys: what wrong with that toon? |
| 21:19.31 | *** part/#wowuidev Thaoky (Thaoky@91.181.32.214) |
| 21:19.35 | Kraps | oh nvm |
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| 21:19.50 | Kraps | looks hot though |
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| 21:21.49 | Gnarfoz | <olafski> so holy wrath.. is it "damages nearby enemies and stuns undead" or "damages and stuns nearby undead"? <-- damages & stuns nearby undead & demons, o_O |
| 21:23.00 | olafski | yeah seems that's the truth :) |
| 21:23.17 | olafski | the tooltip isn't exactly clear imo.. or perhaps I was just confused because someone in here said that it damages everything and stuns undead/demons |
| 21:23.31 | nevcairiel | i thought they changed it at some point |
| 21:23.37 | Gnarfoz | they changed exorcism |
| 21:23.41 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 21:25.05 | Kraps | 19-Apr-2006 Obtained [Empowered Leggings]. (Equipped) |
| 21:25.17 | durcyn | ladies, gentlemen, boys and girls, i give you: http://www.theroomsoundboard.com |
| 21:25.22 | olafski | eh.. grats =) |
| 21:25.45 | olafski | what is the room oO |
| 21:26.24 | durcyn | it's the worst movie ever made |
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| 21:30.01 | rcapote | hello |
| 21:32.26 | olafski | hi |
| 21:32.52 | Ackis | Headline of the day: "Teen shoots his own testicles": http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_14519745 |
| 21:33.04 | Ackis | man that kid has to be nuts |
| 21:33.09 | Ackis | snickers |
| 21:33.58 | nicoli_s | wow ackis, that was a good one :P |
| 21:34.09 | nicoli_s | so what game are you playing these days ackis? |
| 21:34.14 | cogwheel | that's about a half hour to 3 hour drive from here depending on traffic |
| 21:34.19 | Ackis | marvel ultimate alliance |
| 21:34.24 | Ackis | I finished Halo 2 last night |
| 21:34.58 | Ackis | gonna move on to GTA4 once I finish MUA |
| 21:35.00 | Adys | !api faction |
| 21:35.00 | Adys | !api reputation |
| 21:35.03 | lua_bot | Found 24 possible matches for 'faction'. Please be more specific |
| 21:35.06 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'reputation'. |
| 21:35.12 | Adys | !api getfaction |
| 21:35.15 | Lunessa | durcyn: Was that the movie with guys collecting random object that were empowered by their association with a room in some hotel? |
| 21:35.16 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'getfaction': GetFactionInfo, GetFactionInfoByID |
| 21:35.31 | DWSR | !api GetFactionInfo |
| 21:35.34 | lua_bot | GetFactionInfo: Returns information about a faction or header listing (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetFactionInfo) |
| 21:35.45 | rcapote | trying to figure out how to mvoe the action bars around....documentation for addons is terrible |
| 21:35.50 | nicoli_s | mua is pretty fun |
| 21:35.56 | nicoli_s | especially with multiple people |
| 21:35.59 | nicoli_s | mua2 is even better |
| 21:36.06 | Ackis | I don't think I'll get mua2 |
| 21:36.13 | olafski | I'm not sure whether I like mua 2 better yet |
| 21:36.26 | Adys | !api getfactioninfobyid |
| 21:36.29 | lua_bot | GetFactionInfoByID: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetFactionInfoByID) |
| 21:36.32 | olafski | I've picked up DOOM again yesterday:D |
| 21:36.33 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:36.44 | nicoli_s | why not ackis? |
| 21:36.55 | Adys | when was that added? |
| 21:36.56 | durcyn | Lunessa: The Room, not The Lost Room |
| 21:37.02 | DWSR | whose bot is Lua_bot? They need to be shot. |
| 21:37.06 | Ackis | I'm not sure if I'm liking MUA1 yet |
| 21:37.15 | olafski | the lost room was fun |
| 21:37.15 | nicoli_s | are you playing by yerself? |
| 21:37.18 | Ackis | yeah |
| 21:37.20 | durcyn | Lunessa: one was an SFC mini-series, the other was the single most godawfully bad movie since Manos |
| 21:37.24 | Ackis | <-- has no friends remember? |
| 21:37.24 | nicoli_s | ahh yeah you gotta do it mp |
| 21:37.29 | Ackis | even Kaelten avoids me! |
| 21:37.29 | nicoli_s | well i play with my gf :P |
| 21:37.32 | olafski | I prefer singleplayer nicoli_s :) |
| 21:37.38 | Ackis | I play with my fiancee, just not in games |
| 21:37.39 | olafski | the guy I played with kept griefing me: P |
| 21:37.58 | Lunessa | durcyn: Ok. |
| 21:38.34 | Lunessa | The one I was talking about had the potential to be an interesting story, but got ruined somewhere along the way. |
| 21:38.59 | DWSR | I lol'ed at ZP |
| 21:39.09 | DWSR | "Like God of War but" |
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| 21:40.11 | olafski | :-) |
| 21:40.22 | olafski | "this one is like god of war but, without the but" |
| 21:41.17 | durcyn | http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/05/ie6-funeral/ |
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| 21:45.29 | Lunessa | ... "I need access to this account. I'm so and so." "I need to verify your identity. I can only do that in person with photo id or I can transfer you to another group." "I'm 4 hours away in another city, can you just help me out?" "No. Sorry. I have to verify your identity before I give you access to HR data." *click* - Some days I hate my job. |
| 21:46.34 | Lunessa | I had this conversation AFTER I explained to them that login information had already been e-mailed to them at the time of their employment. And after she insisted on calling me 'Ma'am." |
| 21:47.01 | Ackis | you aren't a ma'am |
| 21:47.23 | Lunessa | Correct. And she kept calling me that after I corrected her. Twice. |
| 21:48.10 | Ackis | do you have a high pitched "girly" voice? |
| 21:52.19 | Lunessa | I have a high-ish voice, but I don't sound girly at all. |
| 21:52.41 | Ackis | you look dreamy... err... manly |
| 21:52.48 | nicoli_s | i used to have such a high voice |
| 21:52.50 | Lunessa | *kiss*kiss* |
| 21:52.57 | nicoli_s | i hate listening to recordings of myself from when i was younger |
| 21:53.20 | Ackis | I giggle like a schoolgirl |
| 21:53.34 | nicoli_s | i have this weird laugh that can only be described as chortling |
| 21:54.12 | Lunessa | I hate listening to recordings of myself, period. |
| 21:54.30 | Ackis | I think everyone does |
| 21:54.50 | Ackis | I sound too high pitched, but have been told I have a deeper voice, I sound naisly as well |
| 22:01.37 | Lunessa | Ackis, most of us "larger" fellows sounds slightly nasal. |
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| 22:03.14 | Ackis | nah mine is because I have dog/cat allergies, yet own 4 cats and a dog :P |
| 22:03.24 | Ackis | nothign to do with how large my wang is |
| 22:03.25 | Ackis | ;) |
| 22:04.01 | nicoli_s | what? how do you have more cats than me? |
| 22:04.21 | Ackis | they're like gremlins, you get them wet and more pop out :( |
| 22:05.11 | nicoli_s | hahah |
| 22:05.35 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 22:05.36 | Adys | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16113-Needy.html |
| 22:05.37 | Adys | sigh |
| 22:05.45 | Shirik | cogwheel: VS 2010 has code coverage |
| 22:05.54 | Shirik | and test impact analysis |
| 22:05.59 | PProvost | Yup |
| 22:06.15 | PProvost | And layer validation checking, which is also quite useful |
| 22:06.28 | Shirik | omg it supports UML |
| 22:06.30 | Ackis | Adys: you need that mod! |
| 22:06.38 | Adys | its completely bogus |
| 22:06.39 | Shirik | this is kinda crazy |
| 22:06.48 | Corrodias | damn, i wish i knew what either of those things were... |
| 22:07.01 | Adys | i mean fuck |
| 22:07.10 | Adys | Ive been doing zg runs and kara runs and shit 2man |
| 22:07.17 | Shirik | Corrodias: Are you in school? |
| 22:07.24 | Adys | I have 3144 greed rolls |
| 22:07.28 | Corrodias | no |
| 22:07.30 | Adys | and 350 need rolls |
| 22:07.34 | Ackis | lol |
| 22:07.46 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:07.50 | Shirik | well then teach yourself! |
| 22:08.04 | Corrodias | looking them up. |
| 22:09.12 | Shirik | code coverage is important to know :) |
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| 22:09.38 | Random | Hey. |
| 22:09.44 | cogwheel | hi |
| 22:09.49 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 22:09.52 | cogwheel | Fisker |
| 22:09.53 | Fisker | i'm assuming direct control |
| 22:10.02 | Random | This probably isn't the right place to ask this, but does anyone know where the hell the 'accuracy' bar on Quartz went? |
| 22:10.04 | cogwheel | your mom is assuming direct control |
| 22:10.14 | Ackis | damnit I'm looking up a surgery I want to have and the death rate is only 0.05% |
| 22:10.26 | Adys | dammit* |
| 22:10.49 | Adys | quartz has an accuracy bar? |
| 22:10.56 | Ackis | damnit dammit penis |
| 22:11.01 | Ackis | Adys: you sir, are correct |
| 22:11.12 | Ackis | I've always spelled dammit damnit which is incorrect |
| 22:11.13 | Adys | o..k |
| 22:11.18 | Ackis | I will now correct my spelling |
| 22:11.21 | Ackis | thank you for your wisdom |
| 22:11.22 | Adys | of course im correct |
| 22:11.25 | cogwheel | muzzles Ackis |
| 22:11.27 | Adys | i took it straight out of xkcd |
| 22:11.49 | Random | Yeah, quartz used to have a bar that let you set how many digits of the cast time you wanted to see. |
| 22:11.53 | cogwheel | Random: do you mean latency? |
| 22:12.08 | Random | ie: 1.92 instead of 1.9 |
| 22:12.15 | olafski | dammit is a word? |
| 22:12.35 | Adys | sure |
| 22:12.52 | cogwheel | nevcairiel: ^ |
| 22:14.09 | nevcairiel | the option is still on vacation, i'll let you know when it gets back |
| 22:14.23 | Adys | vacates nevcairiel |
| 22:14.35 | cogwheel | takes Ackis muzzle off |
| 22:14.52 | cogwheel | ~pat Ackis |
| 22:14.53 | purl | ACTION pats Ackis and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 22:15.20 | nevcairiel | i didnt know that many people wanted two-digit precision of their cast times |
| 22:15.40 | Random | Well, I play around with haste a lot, we're best friends |
| 22:15.47 | ZorbaTHut | two digits? I time my casts to the nanosecond, thank you very much |
| 22:15.53 | Adys | I didnt know one person meant many people |
| 22:15.53 | Adys | :P |
| 22:16.03 | nevcairiel | Adys: he isnt the first one |
| 22:16.05 | Random | [= |
| 22:22.09 | haste | Random: that looked so odd in my highlight log |
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| 22:23.04 | Lunessa | really needs a better nick |
| 22:23.23 | Fisker | Fisker- |
| 22:30.55 | Lunessa | bah, I'm just waiting for nevcairiel to put the latency indicator on the right-hand side of the cast bar again. |
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| 22:31.34 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 22:31.52 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy until we both trun blue. |
| 22:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | Needs huggles. Surgery not go so well akshully. |
| 22:33.40 | Lunessa | U can still haz stiches? |
| 22:34.04 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. But also cannot has thumb that fucking bends. |
| 22:36.13 | Fisker | there already is Lunessa |
| 22:36.14 | Fisker | l2p |
| 22:36.31 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: /sowwy. |
| 22:36.57 | Random | lol, haste |
| 22:37.14 | Fisker | i hate haste |
| 22:37.17 | Lunessa | Fisker: Funny, can't seem to find it in the options. And there it sits, glued to the left-hand side of my casting bar, TAUNTING me. |
| 22:37.20 | Lopeppeppy | Some PT people are in my future. I forsee squeezing friggin rubber balls until I go nuts. |
| 22:37.31 | Random | Are there any addons that have a window of nearby enemy mobs in a list? |
| 22:37.37 | Random | It's so annoying to have to tab cycle |
| 22:37.43 | Random | I'd like to just click one |
| 22:37.46 | Random | time |
| 22:38.46 | Fisker | disable embedding Lunessa |
| 22:38.58 | Fisker | prepare to be srs |
| 22:39.05 | Lunessa | Random: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14151-PvEFrames.html - Sucks, but it's as close as any addon will ever get to what you want. |
| 22:39.58 | Lunessa | srs bsns |
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| 22:43.49 | DWSR | Anyone know what the defense cap is for regular dungeons? |
| 22:43.56 | DWSR | (i.e. what you need to be uncritable) |
| 22:44.08 | Random | Why does it suck? |
| 22:44.09 | olafski | same as heroics or 5 less I would guess :< |
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| 22:45.07 | DWSR | Random: Ugly as sin? |
| 22:46.17 | Lunessa | Random: There's all sorts of issues with mobs having the same name, etc. This one is better than previous attempts since it only tries to creat frames for marked units. |
| 22:46.31 | olafski | wait.. that shows the unit marked with a moon/star/etc? |
| 22:46.44 | olafski | does that work in combat? ;/ |
| 22:46.45 | Adys | er |
| 22:46.48 | Adys | isnt there |
| 22:46.56 | Adys | a new interface, or was that scratched? |
| 22:47.03 | Adys | one for multi-boss encounters |
| 22:47.17 | Adys | my keyboard is breaking :( |
| 22:47.29 | foxlit | booring |
| 22:47.44 | foxlit | they pop up some party-frame like things on the right edge of the window |
| 22:48.20 | DWSR | Adys: No, there is. |
| 22:48.27 | DWSR | It's just for designated boss targets though |
| 22:48.32 | Adys | mm |
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| 22:51.01 | Random | =[ |
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| 22:51.12 | Random | I need an easy way to target marked mobs then |
| 22:51.51 | Lunessa | Now is the time when we throw back our heads and laugh! Ready? Go! |
| 22:52.54 | Adys | throws a head at Lunessa |
| 22:52.59 | DWSR | Howling Blast is so overpowered. |
| 22:53.23 | Fisker | cuts up Lunessa into a billion pieces |
| 22:53.26 | Fisker | did you like my fix? |
| 22:55.22 | Adys | ~cut Fisker |
| 22:55.42 | Adys | ~throw Fisker |
| 22:55.43 | purl | ACTION winds up and throws Fisker over the moon. |
| 22:56.10 | olafski | don't think there is one other than looking at them and selecting them manually random |
| 22:56.49 | Random | What about http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/magic-targets.aspx |
| 22:58.10 | olafski | that targets party/raid's targets, not marked targets |
| 22:59.09 | olafski | not to mention the bars aren't clickable |
| 23:00.28 | ZorbaTHut | I do wonder what kind of unfortunate automation they'd open up if there were an API for targeting things, possibly requiring a hardware event but nothing more |
| 23:01.12 | Lopeppeppy | Used to be able to do that, they locked it down waaaay back in the day. Wave to the old Decursive.vv:) |
| 23:01.28 | ZorbaTHut | maybe tie it to the GCD in macros, so you can't target/cast with one button |
| 23:02.05 | DWSR | Can't you target by name, olafski? |
| 23:04.51 | nevcairiel | they disabled targeting on purpose, doubt they'll open it again |
| 23:05.42 | amro | but if we ask weally weally nicely |
| 23:06.10 | amro | maybe promise to eradicate cogs. |
| 23:06.14 | ZorbaTHut | nev, sure, I'm just wondering what kind of problems it might cause by opening it slightly. |
| 23:06.39 | nevcairiel | decursive would come back, even if it requires two key presses |
| 23:06.41 | ZorbaTHut | I think the idea of having certain things "gcd-macro-locked" might be interesting |
| 23:06.44 | nevcairiel | it allows automation again |
| 23:06.47 | olafski | dwsr: yeah but npc's aren't uniquely named |
| 23:07.06 | olafski | that addon actually mentions that pvp addons do that |
| 23:07.21 | DWSR | true. |
| 23:08.33 | foxlit | If by "interesting" you mean confusing and complicated, sure. |
| 23:09.26 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, no, I mean interesting. It might be confusing and complicated also, but of course, the API already is, so that wouldn't be anything new. |
| 23:09.58 | foxlit | Adding another type of protection to an already nasty soup of them -- and what for? |
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| 23:10.35 | nevcairiel | even if its gcd locked, still its automation. they clearly stated that they don't want addons to do decisions in combat |
| 23:12.06 | Lunessa | I don't think they could open up what you want Zorba, without also opening up lots of other things again. |
| 23:12.23 | Ackis | http://www.pawnation.com/2010/03/05/amazing-three-legged-bear-finds-a-new-way-to-get-around/ |
| 23:12.24 | ZorbaTHut | nev, it's true, but addons already do. there are addons that can tell you exactly what button to press next in your rotation, for example, turning the human player into nothing more than a simple image recognition machine. Again, I'm not saying this is necessarily a good idea, I'm just curious what the results would be and what neat things would be developed. |
| 23:12.25 | Ackis | holy shit |
| 23:12.29 | Ackis | 3 legged bear |
| 23:12.33 | Ackis | learned to walk like a human |
| 23:12.33 | foxlit | What does he want, though? |
| 23:12.37 | Adys | My hobby: Logging my DK, queuing to low level instances as tank, and declining the invite. |
| 23:12.45 | foxlit | Described some implementation, but not the goal. |
| 23:12.57 | Lunessa | Adys: So YOU'RE the guy! |
| 23:13.01 | DWSR | My hobby: Showing other tanks how bad they truly are by pretending to not know how to tank. |
| 23:13.13 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm out of here for the weekend. |
| 23:13.15 | Adys | Lunessa: No, I just started and I find it extremely pleasurable |
| 23:13.15 | Ackis | Adys: a true troll would queue as a healer and accept the invite |
| 23:13.20 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* the goal is to play around with game design and see what happens. |
| 23:13.24 | nevcairiel | ZorbaTHut: providing the information what to do next and doing it are completly different things |
| 23:13.52 | ZorbaTHut | nev, I don't really agree. Pushing a button isn't the hard part. |
| 23:14.58 | ZorbaTHut | It keeps people from writing bots, but in many ways I find it much more interesting to come up with a design where bots are difficult or nigh-impossible. I'm curious how hard it would be to actually bot, say, raiding, and how you'd go about making it harder, while still given a limitless API. |
| 23:15.08 | nevcairiel | If you install a rotation addon and it manages to give you the best rotation possible .. good for you. If you install a bot addon, and it does everything by simple pressing one key repeatedly .. thats different. |
| 23:15.40 | nevcairiel | This game is about playing, not developing |
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| 23:16.02 | ZorbaTHut | you don't seem to understand what I'm talking about here |
| 23:16.19 | nevcairiel | sure i do, and i think its a silly dream |
| 23:16.20 | ZorbaTHut | I'm saying that I think the design side effects would be interesting, and I'm curious how the game would adapt and what unexpected UI mods would pop up |
| 23:16.25 | Adys | also dwsr |
| 23:16.26 | Adys | believe me |
| 23:16.32 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not saying that it should be done. It's a thought experiment. |
| 23:16.33 | Adys | Im trying really, really hard to contain myself |
| 23:16.33 | Adys | but |
| 23:16.35 | Adys | "NOT TO" |
| 23:16.38 | Adys | not "to not" |
| 23:16.46 | nevcairiel | WoW is about playing the game, not exploring the possibilities of addons |
| 23:17.03 | DWSR | Adys: Both correct. |
| 23:17.08 | ZorbaTHut | Replying with "yeah well then the game, in its present form, would be somewhat modified!" is not only uninteresting, but blindingly obvious and tautological. |
| 23:17.21 | DWSR | One sounds better, both are correct. |
| 23:17.22 | Adys | in this very sentence, no |
| 23:17.39 | nevcairiel | You want to see how smart you can make a bot? go write one for RoM, they basically copied WoWs APIs from 1.x times, so no lockdowns at all |
| 23:18.07 | foxlit | Heck, go write code for ORTS |
| 23:18.08 | ZorbaTHut | I'm going to guess that RoM's boss design isn't as interesting :P |
| 23:18.31 | nevcairiel | no idea, never bothered with it |
| 23:19.14 | foxlit | AI is only interesting versus humans or other AI. |
| 23:20.02 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, I somewhat disagree. Trying to write something to deal optimally with a semi-random scripted situation, like a boss fight, could be rather fascinating. |
| 23:20.27 | foxlit | You have nearly perfect information as to how that system will behave. |
| 23:21.30 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but there's a random factor - who gets targeted, where everyone is relative to them, etc. I'm curious what the optimal strategies would end up being for some encounters, and what subtleties would be involved that aren't otherwise obvious. |
| 23:27.53 | DWSR | god damn |
| 23:27.58 | DWSR | People really hate Oculus. |
| 23:28.05 | DWSR | Been like 20 minutes waiting for a healer since ours DCed. |
| 23:28.13 | nevcairiel | i don't know why, its so damn easy now |
| 23:28.21 | nevcairiel | and you get that goodie bag |
| 23:29.43 | DWSR | and gems. |
| 23:29.47 | DWSR | Which I need for my almost 80 tank |
| 23:30.09 | Wobin | it's so fast |
| 23:36.34 | foxlit | DWSR: you need blue gems? |
| 23:36.37 | foxlit | AH them already :) |
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| 23:37.50 | DWSR | foxlit: Tank. |
| 23:37.50 | Shadowed | People should be banned from using "Reply to all" |
| 23:37.52 | DWSR | Stamina. |
| 23:37.52 | Shadowed | especially professors |
| 23:37.58 | DWSR | Shadowed: Reply to all shouldn't exist. |
| 23:38.10 | foxlit | DWSR: AH? |
| 23:38.11 | DWSR | You should have to type each address manually, so that you have more time to realize just how fucking retarded the idea is. |
| 23:38.59 | PProvost | Absent "big R reply" people will just create nasty nested distribution groups... which can be much worse. |
| 23:41.19 | DWSR | wow. |
| 23:41.25 | DWSR | We've had 5 healers bail on this reg oculus. |
| 23:41.32 | Shirik | what is wrong with you people |
| 23:41.36 | Shirik | Reply to all is quite necessary |
| 23:42.36 | Shirik | in the words of Fisker, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ebd5a9336c3271b1129291be04235f90.png |
| 23:42.49 | Shirik | it's like sitting there, taunting you |
| 23:42.49 | Wobin | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/03/behind_the_scenes_of_ok_gos_rube_go.html |
| 23:42.54 | Shirik | "you can't click me lololol" |
| 23:42.55 | Wobin | awesome |
| 23:44.52 | foxlit | youtube speech recognition, teehee |
| 23:45.04 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 23:45.05 | Wobin | foxlit, it makes funny videos even -more- funny |
| 23:45.35 | foxlit | Looks like I need to transcode more doctor who episodes. |
| 23:45.41 | Dashkal | drattmannh0nee |
| 23:45.43 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 23:45.48 | Dashkal | Valve is insane... |
| 23:45.57 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:46.04 | foxlit | phone. |
| 23:46.04 | Dashkal | http://store.steampowered.com/news/3559/ |
| 23:46.43 | Shirik | of course |
| 23:46.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen1 (~Sixen@173-25-23-10.client.mchsi.com) |
| 23:46.57 | Wobin | Dashkal, ... yeah... what's with the underlines? =P |
| 23:47.05 | Fisker | o |
| 23:47.06 | Fisker | l |
| 23:47.07 | Fisker | d |
| 23:47.15 | Fisker | it's a login Wobin |
| 23:47.17 | Dashkal | Probably supposed to be used with that BBS they set up for this round of viral marketing |
| 23:47.24 | Wobin | oh for that bbs |
| 23:47.27 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 23:47.29 | Fisker | i have evolved |
| 23:47.41 | Fisker | i don't have a need for such simple vulgarities anymore |
| 23:47.48 | Fisker | now i'm using "lé fu" |
| 23:47.51 | Shirik | ah |
| 23:47.58 | Shirik | except there's no accent in "le" |
| 23:48.14 | Fisker | They're f'd in the a btw Wobin |
| 23:48.32 | Fisker | they made some basic program which you had to extract with some other program |
| 23:48.38 | Fisker | YOU HAD TO USE DOS |
| 23:48.50 | DWSR | Dashkal: You seen what the underlines spell? |
| 23:49.33 | Wobin | DWSR, he spelled it out |
| 23:49.53 | Fisker | hay guise have you seen the underlines valve posted in their announcement, maybe it means something? |
| 23:49.59 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 23:50.11 | Wobin | nowai |
| 23:50.17 | Shirik | drattmannh0nee but what does that mean |
| 23:50.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (~Creek@67-197-1-37.rh1.dyn.cm.comporium.net) |
| 23:50.39 | Wobin | hehe |
| 23:50.43 | Wobin | you can see who has Fisker ignored =) |
| 23:51.21 | Dashkal | What's a Fisker? |
| 23:51.23 | Fisker | 1+1 = 2 |
| 23:51.29 | Shirik | 1+1 = 1 on a bun |
| 23:51.31 | Sajaki | is it possible to test a wow mod without a wow account? |
| 23:51.38 | foxlit | no |
| 23:51.41 | Shirik | Sajaki: If you know how to write unit tests, yes |
| 23:51.48 | ZorbaTHut | sajaki, not in any practical manner. |
| 23:51.50 | Wobin | Sajaki, well, you can look at the code and think. "Hey, that'll work!" |
| 23:51.51 | foxlit | though you could get a trial account |
| 23:52.04 | Shirik | however the overwhelming majority of wow mod developers do no testing at all, much less real coding practices |
| 23:52.20 | *** join/#wowuidev BWMerlin (~chatzilla@CPE-60-226-106-178.qld.bigpond.net.au) |
| 23:52.39 | Fisker | slaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:52.40 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:52.46 | foxlit | Bugs are nature's way of forcing users to update. |
| 23:52.50 | Fisker | assuming direct control |
| 23:52.55 | Shirik | that's one way of looking at it |
| 23:53.11 | Fisker | i want to sleep |
| 23:53.18 | foxlit | Fisker: no. |
| 23:53.32 | Fisker | yes |
| 23:53.34 | foxlit | You must first win five ranked 1v1 games games. |
| 23:53.49 | *** join/#wowuidev bleeter (~bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 23:53.58 | Shadowed | Testing?! |
| 23:54.00 | Shadowed | That's what users are for! |
| 23:54.20 | Shirik | so I've been wondering |
| 23:54.25 | Shadowed | Are you sure |
| 23:54.28 | Shadowed | Maybe you were thinking |
| 23:54.30 | Fisker | i have won 5 ranked 1v1 games |
| 23:54.30 | Shirik | there always has to be SOMEONE at the bottom of the arena ratings |
| 23:54.32 | Shadowed | or pondering |
| 23:54.33 | Shirik | right? |
| 23:54.43 | Shirik | how unstable is the bottom? |
| 23:54.49 | Shadowed | What do you mean? "The bottom" is 0 |
| 23:55.09 | foxlit | Nah, that's virtually impossible |
| 23:55.12 | Shadowed | Or do you mean, if you have 50 people at the same rating, does the ranking change? |
| 23:55.23 | Fisker | only 19 days until i have to troll every major hardware retailer |
| 23:55.29 | Shirik | yeah I guess the bottom is kinda meaningless now |
| 23:55.32 | Fisker | do you understand me Shirik ? |
| 23:55.33 | Shirik | it used to be meaningful |
| 23:55.38 | Shirik | no Fisker I have you on ignore |
| 23:55.38 | Wobin | http://www.escapemotions.com/experiments/flame/#gallery |
| 23:55.43 | Wobin | is pretty awesome for wallpapers |
| 23:55.53 | Fisker | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- |
| 23:56.16 | Fisker | guess i weren't so sophisticated after all |
| 23:56.26 | Shirik | nop |
| 23:56.55 | Shadowed | When I think of sophisication, I think of Fisker |
| 23:57.13 | Shadowed | wait |
| 23:57.16 | Shadowed | What does sophisication mean again |
| 23:57.20 | Fisker | omg i made the coolest drawing Wobin |
| 23:57.55 | Fisker | it's so cool that the app kinda fucked up |
| 23:58.39 | Wobin | Fisker |
| 23:58.42 | Wobin | NExt time |
| 23:58.44 | Wobin | don't be so cool |
| 23:58.48 | Wobin | and you won't fuck things up |
| 23:58.54 | Shirik | I'll get you next time gadget, next time! |
| 23:59.11 | Fisker | i drawed a penis but i couldn't upload :( |
