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| 00:05.17 | Fisker | i can |
| 00:05.25 | Fisker | it's a mix of portal and hl2ep3 |
| 00:05.27 | Fisker | hl3 doesn't exist |
| 00:05.28 | Jerub | yeah, it's a weird thing |
| 00:05.30 | Fisker | tard |
| 00:05.30 | Jerub | it's like a portal ARG |
| 00:05.31 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 00:05.57 | Jerub | what's happened is that if you pick up a radio and take it to a certain part of a level, you'll hear a code, which is a ham radio data transmition. |
| 00:06.04 | Jerub | decode that transmission and you get text and ascii art |
| 00:06.13 | Dagmar | Slow-scan video in some cases |
| 00:06.17 | Fisker | is it ham radio when in-game? |
| 00:06.29 | Dagmar | HAMs use slow-scan sometimes |
| 00:06.33 | Jerub | there are 20+ posts a minute in some of the steam forum threads on it. |
| 00:06.35 | Fisker | and all but like 3 tranmissions are SSTV |
| 00:06.37 | Dagmar | Wired has a story on the stuff |
| 00:07.42 | Fisker | i almost feel like trolling |
| 00:08.09 | Fisker | i should go like |
| 00:08.12 | durcyn | easy enough to do, just post fake screenshots of the BBS |
| 00:08.17 | Fisker | "I found out how to solve it all" |
| 00:08.20 | Fisker | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_135TXrUw4ZU/SfNUpbM-xbI/AAAAAAAAAF4/zxgz-dszmf4/s200/mentos.jpg |
| 00:08.23 | Fisker | MENTOS FRESHMAKER |
| 00:08.23 | foxlit | http://gizmodo.com/5483991/did-htcs-dog-just-die-or-something << cute title |
| 00:10.38 | Lunessa | foxlit: Heh... Probablhy because of: http://gizmodo.com/5483632/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-on-20-iphone-patents-the-complete-documents?skyline=true&s=i |
| 00:11.03 | foxlit | Lunessa: indeed. |
| 00:11.33 | Fisker | Apple needs to die |
| 00:11.36 | Fisker | and so does patents |
| 00:11.43 | Fisker | but if i got to choose, i'd choose apple |
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| 00:13.46 | Fisker | what say you kd3 ? |
| 00:13.59 | Shadowed | kill Fisker |
| 00:14.00 | kd3 | die software patents die? |
| 00:14.01 | Shadowed | solve world peace |
| 00:14.51 | Fisker | world peace is easy to solve |
| 00:14.59 | kd3 | "Kill all humans" |
| 00:15.30 | Fisker | Well i had only thought of exterminating certain religious, racial and cultural groups |
| 00:15.44 | Fisker | but i guess that works too |
| 00:15.46 | cbreak | americans? |
| 00:15.54 | Fisker | if you're going to discriminate, discriminate against everyone |
| 00:15.59 | kd3 | ^ |
| 00:16.32 | Lunessa | Nah, just launch Fisker into space in a fucking tin can. |
| 00:17.18 | Fisker | that doesn't solve world peace durr |
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| 00:30.30 | Aqua | there a way to add lua syntax hilighting to visual studio? |
| 00:31.36 | KarlKFI|work | there's a wow addon plugin |
| 00:32.37 | Aqua | thats like way out of date isn't it? |
| 00:32.39 | Fisker | if all you need is highlighting i got a cheaper alternative for you |
| 00:33.00 | Lopeppeppy | do not let that man near your monitor |
| 00:33.10 | Aqua | i'm open to suggestion (as long as its not scite its pissing me off atm) |
| 00:33.58 | Aqua | I already have visual studio on my desktop for C# / C++ stuff, so i figured why not just work in one environment |
| 00:36.52 | Aqua | Fisker, suggestions? |
| 00:37.06 | Pneumatus | notepad++ |
| 00:37.35 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 00:39.54 | Aqua | fair enough |
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| 00:41.01 | sylvanaar | VSlua.codeplex.com |
| 00:41.26 | sylvanaar | Aqua: ^ |
| 00:41.46 | Aqua | ty |
| 00:43.47 | Aqua | I was editing a cisco config with scite at a friends house and his scite kept opening the old copy of the config file |
| 00:43.50 | Aqua | it was wierdest stuff |
| 00:44.19 | Aqua | hey sylvanaar, that's perfect |
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| 00:50.19 | sylvanaar | i just bought IDEA, so that brings my IDE count up to 4 |
| 00:51.32 | sylvanaar | i used all 4 in the past day. usually 2 or more were open at the same time. + I use a plain text editor for writing lua |
| 00:51.57 | Jerub | man. |
| 00:52.00 | Jerub | I use vim. |
| 00:53.04 | sylvanaar | does vim make developing JAX-RS web services any easier |
| 00:53.24 | Dagmar | I'm just baffled at dragging out scite to edit a Cisco config |
| 00:54.10 | sylvanaar | you guys mostly use vim and notepad++? |
| 00:54.18 | sylvanaar | for text editors? |
| 00:54.21 | alestane | I use TextWrangler. |
| 00:54.43 | sylvanaar | I use EditPadPro |
| 00:55.08 | Gnarfoz | pspad =) |
| 00:55.29 | Gnarfoz | (editpad pro (trial ^^) for combatlogs ^^) |
| 00:55.48 | sylvanaar | i paid $30 for it like 3 years ago |
| 00:55.56 | sylvanaar | worth every penny |
| 00:56.05 | sylvanaar | bought regexbuddy too |
| 00:56.38 | sylvanaar | the regex support is EPP's killer feature |
| 00:57.44 | sylvanaar | though I hvae been telling the guy- he needs to work on a new version - its getting sorta stale |
| 00:58.44 | sylvanaar | it needs an open scripting language - maybe i't have the following textmate does if it did |
| 00:59.23 | Jerub | sylvanaar: being a vim user makes JAX-RS sound like something a currently-friendly drunk would suggest on a bad night out. |
| 01:02.18 | sylvanaar | Jerub: I dont want to be doing java development either - i hate it. its like C++ back around 2001 |
| 01:11.35 | Wobin | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0446563080?ie=UTF8&tag=theawes-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0446563080 |
| 01:11.38 | Wobin | Video PREVIEW! |
| 01:11.50 | Wobin | not many books get this sort of treatment =P |
| 01:28.24 | Dagmar | I think I'll be cancelling my Amazon Prime thing tonight |
| 01:29.39 | Dagmar | It would cost me 12.86 to buy it from Amazon, but 12.83 to buy it from one of the vendors they front for |
| 01:30.05 | Jerub | i've been loving bookdepository. |
| 01:30.11 | Jerub | Wobin: have you seen booko.com.au ? |
| 01:30.31 | Wobin | yeah =) |
| 01:30.35 | Wobin | although |
| 01:30.50 | Wobin | there are very few books I look for on the 'net |
| 01:31.02 | Jerub | oh, you're a dirty filthy book pirate. |
| 01:31.04 | Wobin | since the majority of books I find to read are from browsing the bookstores |
| 01:31.28 | Wobin | it's only with a few authors I know enough to look -forward- to a release and try and find it |
| 01:31.39 | Wobin | most of the time it's "Oh, they brought out a new book" at the store |
| 01:31.48 | Wobin | Jerub, SLANDER! |
| 01:32.09 | Wobin | I'm a very hygenic book pirate, thankyouverymuch |
| 01:32.21 | Wobin | I only pirate books I already have bought =P |
| 01:32.31 | Dagmar | Hah |
| 01:32.57 | Dagmar | Now I see why there was such a widespread stink about the Kindle book pricing at $9.99 |
| 01:33.14 | Jerub | Dagmar: why's that? |
| 01:33.14 | Dagmar | The other two sites I've been watching had to drop their prices to $9.99 |
| 01:33.26 | Dagmar | ...but only on the books Amazon is selling for the Kindle at $9.99 |
| 01:34.17 | Dagmar | Jerub: Until this Kindle pricing happened, most of the book publishers were brazenly not selling people books at the same price as the retail paper product. |
| 01:34.37 | Dagmar | ...and having the audacity to claim that "ebooks just don't sell... We don't know why" |
| 01:35.18 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: Yeah. The problem is that the publisher's systems are so crap that creating ebooks is almost as much work for them as creating paper books. |
| 01:35.25 | Wobin | australian book prices have always been horrific |
| 01:35.33 | theorbtwo | ...and they see ebooks as if it were a value-add. |
| 01:35.35 | Jerub | hence booko |
| 01:35.46 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: More of their costs are tied up in printing, storing, and shipping that slab of dead tree than anything else |
| 01:35.47 | Jerub | i can buy books from book for 30-50% of the price of retail here |
| 01:35.48 | Wobin | it gets to the point where -shipping- it from the US is cheaper |
| 01:35.54 | Wobin | even when the shipping costs more than the book |
| 01:35.59 | Jerub | s/book /book depository / |
| 01:36.15 | Jerub | Wobin: bookdepository.co.uk is confusing and wonderful. |
| 01:36.28 | Wobin | yeah |
| 01:36.34 | Dagmar | It's not the pre-production costs that get them it's hte acutal production costs. Costs that _go away_ when they just take the electronic document they were going to send to the presses and clean it up a little bit and just send it to people as bits. |
| 01:36.36 | Wobin | dunno how they can do that free shipping schtick |
| 01:36.38 | theorbtwo | Customers see them as a value minus. I'd rather have the dead tree, but the ebook should be cheaper, because there's no actual plant matter to cut down, pulp, make into paper, print on, ship around, store... |
| 01:37.07 | Wobin | theorbtwo, it's like the difference between pirating and stealing |
| 01:37.07 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: Yeah. You'd think so. Not the way I hear it, and I know people in the industry. |
| 01:37.10 | theorbtwo | (OK, person.) |
| 01:37.21 | Dagmar | THey pretty much _are_ a value minus with the way the publishers have been handling ebooks. |
| 01:37.38 | Jerub | i had a franklin ebookman back in '00 |
| 01:37.41 | Wobin | Dagmar, do they delete the file after selling it and then recreate it? =P |
| 01:37.47 | Jerub | er, '02 |
| 01:37.56 | Wobin | had a palmpilot |
| 01:37.57 | Jerub | i gave up trying to buy ebooks and pirated them all. |
| 01:38.00 | Dagmar | Wobin: You'd think they were having to pay someone to type in each and every copy |
| 01:38.09 | Jerub | Wobin: ebookman was like a palmpilot but more pixels. |
| 01:38.11 | Dagmar | I do it the easy way now. |
| 01:38.16 | Wobin | Somewhere along the line, they're doing it wrong =P |
| 01:38.28 | Wobin | Jerub, how many pixels do you need for -text-? |
| 01:38.40 | Jerub | Wobin: uh, it meant you could have longer lines. |
| 01:38.51 | Dagmar | I order the paperback, shipped USPS, then I go online and pirate the damn book. When it comes in, I tear off the front cover and stick it in a binder and throw away the rest of the paper in the nearest newspaper recycling bin |
| 01:38.51 | Wobin | pft |
| 01:38.58 | Wobin | mine could play Bookworm too! |
| 01:38.58 | Jerub | Wobin: it was like 400x300 instead of 320x240 or sometihng |
| 01:39.07 | Jerub | ... i refer to the palm V |
| 01:41.19 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: If it seriously costs them 24.95 to ship a new release and they've no margin that's freed up by _not_ printing it, then they're basically effing morons and should get out of the business. |
| 01:42.36 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: Oh, I'm not sure they have no margin, but hell, they want to make *more* money, not less. |
| 01:42.42 | Dagmar | Silly, wasteful, horrible budgeting like that is going to kill both the music and the book industry in probably less than 10-15 more years at the rate things are going |
| 01:42.54 | theorbtwo | Yep. |
| 01:43.13 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: If they'd stop trying to f**k everyone over and quit protecting the dead tree industry they've created, they'd _make_ more money. |
| 01:43.25 | Wobin | Dagmar, http://lifehacker.com/5481322/recycle-old-book-covers-into-vintage+inspired-post-cards |
| 01:43.35 | theorbtwo | Hey, preaching to the chior. |
| 01:43.51 | Dagmar | The publisher guy that hangs out at Bongo Java told me begrudgingly that printing and shipping is between 60-80% of his costs |
| 01:44.29 | Dagmar | Wobin: I expect that should any federal agencies come calling, I'll need to show these covers to a judge to prove I actually did buy the damn book and that I'd rather not die of smoke inhalation as a result |
| 01:44.38 | Dagmar | One of my former housemates had at least 4,000 paperbacks. |
| 01:44.50 | Dagmar | That much paper plus a lot of computers is probably not a safe combination |
| 01:45.23 | Wobin | eh, I still like the paper book |
| 01:45.24 | alestane | Dagmar: That publisher guy is also probably not bringing in the 24.95. |
| 01:45.37 | Wobin | Sure, I read on my iphone |
| 01:45.44 | Wobin | (Stanza is the best ebook reader eva!) |
| 01:46.01 | Wobin | but that's only cause it's less effort to lug around than a hardback |
| 01:46.08 | Wobin | I prefer to read from the hardback |
| 01:46.16 | Dagmar | alestane: He's probably not, but just the same, only an idiot continues to produce a good that loses them money at every turn |
| 01:47.46 | Dagmar | If it actually costs them that much to get a book out there, they need to seriously reconsider what they're spending on everything else |
| 01:48.44 | Dagmar | Expect free FM radio to collapse within the next 10 for sure |
| 01:49.15 | Dagmar | Most of hte stations are owned by less than three companies in any given city |
| 01:49.29 | alestane | Yep. |
| 01:49.42 | Dagmar | The new fees they're going to have to start paying just to play music on the air will definitely cause those companies to shutter some "surplus" stations |
| 01:50.01 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: I don't expect free FM radio to shut down anytime soon. |
| 01:50.13 | theorbtwo | OTOH, I do expect *local* radio to cease to exist. |
| 01:50.20 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: You remember when they added the huge fees to webcasters? |
| 01:50.28 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: Aye. |
| 01:50.49 | Dagmar | I find it amusing that the radio stations are all playing "public services announcements" about it now that the same thing is being done to them. |
| 01:51.04 | theorbtwo | Hm, I didn't realize it was. |
| 01:51.14 | theorbtwo | hasn't listened to American radio in *years*. |
| 01:51.23 | Dagmar | Yes. Legislation is being worked on to make that happen, as we speak |
| 01:51.25 | theorbtwo | ...and I mostly listen to the BBC, not commercial radio, over here. |
| 01:51.46 | Dagmar | They're about to start making the FM radio people pay even more than the webcasters. |
| 01:52.17 | Dagmar | ...and if past history is any indication, they're not going to have a break on on their simultaneous webcasts anymore either. |
| 01:52.17 | NeoTron | the one thing I noticed when moving to the US almost 14 years ago is that radio here sucks badly. In Sweden, there are plenty of good radio stations |
| 01:52.27 | NeoTron | or rather were - I don't know what happened since |
| 01:53.07 | theorbtwo | I expect they're already feeling a lot of crunch simply because the way people consume music has changed. |
| 01:53.09 | NeoTron | it's funny since they used to PAY to have their music played (payola aka bribes) |
| 01:53.18 | Dagmar | Hell they still do |
| 01:53.39 | theorbtwo | If you just want to listen to music, most of the time, you don't put on the radio anymore if you have disposable income. |
| 01:53.40 | NeoTron | probably. which is one reason why radio sucks :P |
| 01:53.42 | Dagmar | There was a bit of a stink when some people weren't keeping things quiet as recent as three years ago |
| 01:53.51 | theorbtwo | Instead, you fire up your mp3 player. |
| 01:54.23 | theorbtwo | That means that people aren't listening to the radio unless you hire good DJs, or have a lot of contests, and those cost extra money. |
| 01:54.56 | Dagmar | There's a local station here called "JACK FM" that I suspect will probably make it because they have basically said "screw spending money" |
| 01:55.13 | NeoTron | main thing I noticed with US radio is how often they play a lot of the currently "hot" songs |
| 01:55.14 | alestane | There remains a purpose for radio, but it probably won't be free music listening. |
| 01:55.19 | Dagmar | Their billboards have "JACK FM" and whatever slogan someone made up. They have no "DJs" to speak of, and they play WT they want |
| 01:55.24 | Dagmar | er WTF they want |
| 01:55.24 | Lopeppeppy | The internet is for porn! |
| 01:55.42 | NeoTron | Dagmar: jack fm - style radio is perfect relly |
| 01:55.43 | Dagmar | NeoTron: That's the payola in action |
| 01:55.57 | NeoTron | just randomly played music from a pool of defined music, likely with heuristics but no input |
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| 01:56.15 | NeoTron | I hate stations where people can "vote" on what to play. just means even more that the same crap is played repeatedly |
| 01:56.39 | theorbtwo | The thing is you can do that with an algo tuned to what *you* personally want to listen to, pretty easily. |
| 01:56.45 | NeoTron | but jack fm per se doesn't play the music I like to listen to so I make my own jack fm^H^H3g using my iphone |
| 01:56.47 | Dagmar | NeoTron: At any network affiliate, DJs might get to pick one thing an hour, from a short list. Everything beyond that is dictated by ASCAP/RIAA rules and regulations, and what the labels convinced the regional programming directors to go with |
| 01:56.48 | NeoTron | if need be |
| 01:56.58 | theorbtwo | The cheap version is to load your mp3 player with music you want, hit random, play. |
| 01:57.08 | NeoTron | Pandora.. |
| 01:57.13 | NeoTron | Last.fm |
| 01:57.19 | Lopeppeppy | Pandora isn't too bad. |
| 01:57.26 | Dagmar | It's why you hear the "hot" songs, and why it has not a damn thing to do with whether or not the songs are any good. |
| 01:57.30 | NeoTron | hell of a lot better than "radio" |
| 01:57.34 | Wobin | PS |
| 01:57.36 | Wobin | GrooveShark |
| 01:57.40 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: I think you overestimate RIAA rules, and underestimate the music director. |
| 01:57.49 | Wobin | grooveshark is pretty awesome |
| 01:57.56 | theorbtwo | ...but in any case, the DJ doesn't pick the music. They are hired to talk. |
| 01:58.02 | NeoTron | remember, a large majority of all radio stations is the one company that basically plays "what's safe" |
| 01:58.08 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: I think I spent seven years DJing at a college station, and visited three different "professional" stations in that time |
| 01:58.23 | Dagmar | They've got a lot of bullshit rules as to what they can play and when |
| 01:58.32 | Dagmar | Things like really old Johnny Cash just can't be played at all |
| 01:58.39 | Dagmar | ...because no one's selling it |
| 01:59.21 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: Yeah, I've got friends who have worked several commercial stations. Had a pirate station in my basement with a few of them for a while. |
| 01:59.24 | theorbtwo | Fun times. |
| 01:59.25 | Dagmar | If no one's selling it, then it can't be bought, which turns right around into "ASCAP loses money" |
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| 01:59.49 | NeoTron | they are digging their own grave and pretty much everyone can see it |
| 01:59.54 | NeoTron | it's a circle of fail |
| 02:00.06 | NeoTron | "everyone" being most people with a brain capable of thinking! |
| 02:00.08 | Dagmar | So, by playing something no one is selling, you incur royalty payments to the artist, but since this doesn't actually involve the label making money, you're not allowed |
| 02:00.14 | alestane | Once again, any business model which collapses without complete control of a particular resource is pretty much doomed from the start. |
| 02:00.24 | Dagmar | Agrred all around |
| 02:02.26 | alestane | Like the quandary surrounding old console games...if I would be willing to pay for it, but you can't be bothered to sell it to me, whose fault is it when I load it into an emulator? |
| 02:02.39 | Wobin | ahahaa http://community.livejournal.com/dear_gnome/548547.html |
| 02:02.42 | alestane | (Or other 'dated' software.) |
| 02:03.16 | theorbtwo | sighs. |
| 02:03.37 | theorbtwo | There's a somewhat obvious solution to that sort of thing in copyright reform. |
| 02:04.23 | theorbtwo | ...but it's unlikely to happen, like any other sort of copyright reform of any use to people other then large royalty collecting orginizations. |
| 02:05.27 | theorbtwo | Extending copyright only benifits the MPAA, RIAA, and the like, but it benifits them a lot, so they put a lot of money into lobying for longer copyright. |
| 02:05.58 | theorbtwo | Everybody benifits from shorter copyright, but nobody benifits from it enough to put up the money to counter it. |
| 02:08.06 | Thunder_Child | http://notalwaysright.com/microbrain/4503 that cant turn out well |
| 02:11.09 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: "everybody" being "the public" and corporations don't care one bit about "the public" |
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| 02:11.30 | Dagmar | Frankly, I think we should start penalizing corporations for acting in bad faith on the subject of copyright |
| 02:12.13 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: Yes, but there's also no nonprofits seriously lobbying for shortening copyright as a way of encouraging innovation. |
| 02:12.31 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: I think that'd be lovely... but it'd also require copyright reform law. |
| 02:12.54 | theorbtwo | There's a few nonprofits, like the EFF, who sometimes counterlobby against bad extensions of copyright. |
| 02:14.48 | theorbtwo | Anway, it's tie for me to get some sleep. |
| 02:14.51 | theorbtwo | Goodnight. |
| 02:17.23 | sylvanaar | yeah i just dozed off in my chair |
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| 02:22.15 | Wobin | http://gravityhookhd.com/ |
| 02:22.17 | Wobin | if you're bored |
| 02:23.12 | Wobin | oh dear http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9164038/Microsoft_Don_t_press_F1_key_in_Windows_XP |
| 02:29.55 | alestane | I suppose after a certain period of time you could institute an "intellectual property tax". |
| 02:30.31 | alestane | Charge people to maintain their copyright, so that once it's not profitable to do so, it's easier for them to release it. |
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| 02:31.42 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: wtf |
| 02:31.58 | Arrowmaster | seriously IE should just be discontinued |
| 02:32.17 | alestane | That has the advantage of not sounding so much to the publishers and creators like the government is just taking their rights away. and gives the so-called "hand of the marketplace" play in determining how long a new IP can be exploited profitably and how much money can be made off of it. |
| 02:33.51 | Nysil | well hello hello |
| 02:34.50 | Arrowmaster | EAs network seems to have gone down |
| 02:35.51 | Nysil | the website? or their hosted servers for their games? |
| 02:37.31 | Arrowmaster | hosted servers |
| 02:37.48 | Arrowmaster | back up now but i lost the progress i had in the last game on BF:BC2 |
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| 02:38.31 | Dashkal | Thunder_Child: mmm, natural selection at work. Hopefully it exploded |
| 02:39.29 | alestane | It also has the advantage in that it resembles solutions in place to prevent other kinds of property from being squatted on. |
| 02:40.03 | alestane | Such as real estate property taxes. |
| 02:40.57 | alestane | For people who just want to protect the availability and credit of their work, maintenance taxes should be negligible for copylefted material. |
| 02:41.32 | pompy | Arrowmaster: Microsoft is starting this though, http://rcpmag.com/articles/2010/03/02/millions-in-europe-to-get-browser-choice-screen.aspx |
| 02:41.59 | Arrowmaster | yes complete with not so randomness |
| 02:43.37 | Nysil | that's rather amusing |
| 02:44.42 | Nysil | I never could understand why people would use Internet Exploder, other than the spiffy tab preview in Win7 |
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| 02:46.19 | Shirik | I hate that tab preview |
| 02:46.35 | Shirik | anything that forces me to use a computer more slowly is a horrible invention |
| 02:46.54 | Dashkal | People use IE because they don't like choice. It's the default. |
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| 02:49.22 | alestane | Shirik: But do you use IE in the first place? |
| 02:49.28 | Shirik | no |
| 02:49.31 | Shirik | but the problem extends beyond IE |
| 02:49.41 | Torhal | I blame Fisker |
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| 02:50.22 | Nysil | I always forget I have IE installed, first thing I do when I redo Windows is download either Firefox or Chrome :P |
| 02:50.31 | Nysil | and I agree with Torhal. |
| 02:51.08 | Silversage | Is there a good write-up anywhere on inventoryId/slotId ?? |
| 02:51.48 | alestane | I think WoWWiki has a decent one, I find it hyperlinked from the macro guide. |
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| 02:53.27 | Silversage | k. Parts of wowprogramming.com seem to think it has a link to it, but the anchor doesn't actually exist, afaict. |
| 02:55.29 | Silversage | alestane: So ... maybe there are corresponding numbers for the bag slots themselves? But no one's sussed them out yet? |
| 02:56.10 | Silversage | Thanks for the tip, btw: http://www.wowwiki.com/InventorySlotId |
| 02:56.52 | Shadowed | Silversage: What are you trying to do? |
| 02:57.02 | alestane | http://www.wowwiki.com/InventorySlotName |
| 02:57.57 | Silversage | Trying to update a bag sorter I inherited so that parts of it are bank/bag/gbank agnostic. |
| 02:58.34 | Shadowed | Oh, god speed |
| 02:58.38 | Silversage | I.e., so that the core functionality won't have to care whether you're sorting your bags, or sorting your bank, or sorting them together, or sorting the gbank, etc. |
| 02:59.35 | Dashkal | Silversage: Which one? I haven't seen a bag sorter since MrPlow |
| 02:59.46 | Silversage | It's not so bad to use my own location enumeration, but if there's already something built-in.... |
| 02:59.48 | Dashkal | also hasn't been looking very hard |
| 03:00.02 | Silversage | I've had a hacked version of Bag Lady since forever. |
| 03:00.05 | alestane | There's also http://www.wowwiki.com/API_BankButtonIDToInvSlotID |
| 03:00.17 | Silversage | It's pretty crude, but I can mostly get it to do what I want. |
| 03:00.51 | Dashkal | I've been tempted to write code to visually-only sort bag slots in ArkInventory (or did someone do that and I just never noticed?) |
| 03:00.55 | Silversage | alestane: Yah. There are 3 functions that produce InventoryId or InvSlotId or some such. That's 1/3. |
| 03:01.54 | Silversage | I'm imagining two parts: Part B says, okay here's what the final state is supposed to look like, so I'll try to make it happen. |
| 03:02.07 | alestane | Also just found http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ContainerIDToInventoryID |
| 03:02.50 | Silversage | Part B can be used by a bag sorter (one part A), or by a raid preparer (I've looked over your bank and bag and here's what you need to fetch from your bank to be ready to raid). |
| 03:03.07 | Silversage | alestane: Keep looking. There's one more. :D |
| 03:03.33 | Silversage | I'll give you a hint: it has to do with keys. |
| 03:03.54 | alestane | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_KeyRingButtonIDToInvSlotID |
| 03:04.05 | Silversage | Yay! You found them all! |
| 03:05.01 | Thunder_Child | so...i managed to beat the win 7 RC1 auto restart simply by turning back the clock. of cource, now i cant use half the internet. |
| 03:05.01 | alestane | Give me a break, I was tabbing through the complete API on a search for 'slot', and it's a pretty common word. |
| 03:05.01 | Silversage | Hehe. It is. |
| 03:05.01 | Silversage | It's just I'd been doing the same over the last half hour. |
| 03:05.12 | Silversage | "Inventory" is worse. |
| 03:05.32 | alestane | They're not named consistently, either. |
| 03:05.49 | Silversage | Um, no. You noticed that. |
| 03:06.13 | Silversage | And one of the 3 is considered deprecated, at least by wowwiki. |
| 03:07.00 | Silversage | The sorter is *way* complicated by specialty bags. |
| 03:07.24 | Silversage | And stacking. |
| 03:07.47 | Silversage | And that you want a particular kind of non-stable sort. |
| 03:08.26 | Silversage | ...if you're moving all the Icethorn "up" by one position, you actually want to do a maximum of two transfers. |
| 03:09.33 | alestane | The problem Baggins has always had (kudos if you can handle this one right) with specialty bags is that they're identified with a bitfield, and it's the same for bags and non-bag items. So it kept trying to put the spare engineering toolbox I was waiting to auction in my existing toolbox, where it doesn't fit because it's not an engineering good. Baggins would continue trying until I forced it to stop, though. |
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| 03:48.13 | digmouse|work | another net split? |
| 03:56.09 | kdtresh | doesn't look like one to me |
| 04:24.27 | Aqua | how do i hook a function onto a blizzard event? |
| 04:26.03 | kd3 | !api hooksecurefunc |
| 04:26.03 | lua_bot | hooksecurefunc: Add a function to be called after execution of a secure function (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/hooksecurefunc) |
| 04:26.08 | Aqua | ty |
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| 04:45.00 | Shirik | you know what |
| 04:45.07 | Shirik | the more I think about it, the more I agree, the borg got it right |
| 04:45.34 | Shirik | Ships in spheres and cubes make so much more sense than the sleek, aerodynamic design of other ships |
| 04:45.46 | Shirik | why bother when you're in an area with no atmosphere |
| 04:47.19 | Jerub | Shirik: for looks. |
| 04:47.28 | Shirik | but it's inefficient |
| 04:47.32 | Jerub | Shirik: also, the enterprise could make atmospheric landings. |
| 04:47.42 | Shirik | this is a fair point |
| 04:47.58 | Dagmar | While a sphere offers structural elegance for radiant fields, there's also the problem of always presenting the same size target to your enemy |
| 04:48.12 | Jerub | also, long sleek ships make sense for space combat. you can present a smaller sillouette, with more armor at the ends. |
| 04:48.15 | Dagmar | At least if you go for something flat and sleek you can turn to reduce your profile |
| 04:48.22 | Dagmar | Hence, _flying saucers_ |
| 04:49.33 | Dagmar | ...but a spherical ship would at least hide it from the newbs that their new ship manoevers like a garbage scow loaded with bricks. |
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| 04:51.26 | Iriel | Also, in a spherical/cube ship, it's a lot harder to put sensitive stuff (organics, etc) away from nasty volatile stuff (radiation, fuel, toxins) |
| 04:51.52 | Shirik | why do you say that? |
| 04:52.00 | Shirik | just sheer distance? |
| 04:52.09 | Iriel | Yes |
| 04:52.28 | Iriel | There's a reason some sci-fi writers make their ships a long girder with a blob on each end |
| 04:52.41 | Jerub | tbh, what makes most sense is a very long ship, becuase of the problem of thrust. |
| 04:53.04 | Jerub | so everything hangs onto a single rigid core that extends from one end of the ship to the other. |
| 04:53.14 | Iriel | There may also be surface area considerations for heating/coolig |
| 04:53.36 | Jerub | Iriel: true. |
| 04:54.32 | Shirik | wouldn't a sphere have the lowest surface area? |
| 04:54.54 | Jerub | Shirik: yes, but maybe you need to vent heat :P |
| 04:55.12 | Shirik | ah true |
| 04:55.51 | Jerub | for interstellar flight you either need to break the laws of physics or have a power source so damn longlasting and powerful you can survive between the stars. |
| 04:56.11 | Shirik | breaking the laws of physics isn't too hard |
| 04:56.13 | Shirik | just make some shit up |
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| 04:56.26 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2v6rXs5J9M |
| 04:56.29 | Jerub | alistair reynolds had relativistic flight between stars, but with engines that generated energy from handwaving. |
| 04:56.42 | Jerub | star trek puts the ship in a bubble then vibrates it. |
| 04:56.48 | Jerub | star wars giggles |
| 04:57.16 | Wobin | a lot of concepts move the ship into alternate space |
| 04:57.27 | Jerub | niven in the mote in gods eye and traveller the rpg have space folding to go between the stars. |
| 04:57.33 | Wobin | where the current laws of physics don't apply |
| 04:57.40 | Jerub | yeah, bab5 has an alternate space with different physics. |
| 04:57.58 | Iriel | Adams goes for just having the ship be simultaneously in all places at once |
| 04:58.00 | Iriel | That's easier |
| 04:58.07 | Shirik | yup |
| 04:58.10 | Iriel | (but infinitely improbable) |
| 04:58.17 | Wobin | If terribly painful to the brain |
| 04:58.19 | Shirik | not that improbable |
| 04:58.31 | Shirik | theoretically that is exactly what we should expect at the speed of light |
| 04:58.39 | Jerub | starslip crisis had a drive that selects a different universe where you already are where you want to be. |
| 04:58.42 | Jerub | i liked that |
| 04:58.44 | Shirik | which brings up an interesting question, what exactly is the speed of light :) |
| 04:58.58 | Shirik | to reach the speed of light you must exceed the speed of light |
| 04:59.01 | Wobin | Relatively speaking? =) |
| 04:59.04 | Shirik | now that hurts your head |
| 04:59.47 | Wobin | so what -does- happen when you drive at the speed of light |
| 04:59.51 | Wobin | then turn your headlights on |
| 05:00.03 | Shirik | they are quite ineffective |
| 05:00.06 | Shirik | however |
| 05:00.16 | Shirik | the exact point of your headlights would be quite bright |
| 05:00.20 | Shirik | increasingly brighter |
| 05:00.22 | Shirik | but nobody would know |
| 05:01.12 | Wobin | If a car travelling at the speed of light's headlights turn on the the forest... |
| 05:03.53 | Jerub | one of the interesting things is lazer fights between two spaceships travelling at relatistic speeds |
| 05:04.07 | Jerub | reynolds brings up the idea of light sail munititions |
| 05:04.16 | Shirik | well now |
| 05:04.31 | Shirik | relatively speaking, it's ok to fire a lazer from your ship while it is moving at the speed of light |
| 05:04.39 | Shirik | from your perspective, the lazer would still move at the speed of light |
| 05:04.45 | Wobin | (... laZer...?) |
| 05:04.54 | Shirik | the real question is whether or not it would hit your target |
| 05:04.54 | Jerub | imagine chasing someone at 70% light and they throw a lightsail at you that they accelerate with lasers. |
| 05:04.58 | Shirik | would it both hit and not hit your target? |
| 05:05.10 | Corrodias | Shirik: that has always been impossible for me to grasp |
| 05:06.33 | Iriel | This is why relativity says you can get close to, but never reach, the speed of light |
| 05:21.21 | Dagmar | I am not so sure that's what it says |
| 05:22.13 | Dagmar | I was under the impression it meant you'd never _see_ someone going faster than the speed of light |
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| 05:29.47 | DWSR | Dagmar: It says that you're not able to reach the speed of light |
| 05:29.57 | DWSR | The amount of energy require is asymptotic at infinite. |
| 05:30.13 | DWSR | infinity* |
| 05:30.18 | DWSR | required* |
| 05:30.19 | DWSR | etc. |
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| 06:56.12 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w&feature=player_embedded |
| 06:56.17 | Wobin | <3 OK Go |
| 06:56.23 | Wobin | also <3 Rube Goldberg Machines |
| 06:57.42 | Jerub | yay that was fun. |
| 06:58.04 | Jerub | i just turned the macbook box that i use for a monitor stand into a usb hub + usb cdrom drive holding docking station |
| 06:58.08 | Jerub | :P |
| 06:58.14 | Jerub | (for my lenovo laptop and samsung monitor) |
| 07:00.49 | kd3 | whee, emails away |
| 07:00.49 | kd3 | at oh-dark-hundred |
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| 07:40.11 | truedego | how can i call a variable in lua to set my window height in the XML? |
| 07:46.16 | Shirik | woah |
| 07:46.35 | Shirik | truedego: I'm not sure I understand what you're asking |
| 07:47.51 | truedego | i want to set an XML frames height, by using a lua variable |
| 07:48.08 | truedego | think the punk list in carbonite |
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| 07:57.54 | frontendloader | truedego: /framestack and mouse over the frame you want to muck about with |
| 07:58.18 | truedego | ahh k |
| 07:58.20 | frontendloader | then do FrameName.SetHeight(somevalue) |
| 07:58.41 | frontendloader | where somevalue is a number |
| 07:59.26 | truedego | k |
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| 08:10.40 | Shirik | thwacks frontendloader |
| 08:10.48 | Shirik | FrameName:SetHeight(value) |
| 08:11.56 | frontendloader | oh yeah |
| 08:12.00 | Landrell | I love it when level 1 no names try to act as GM's to tell me my account is "insecure" and to go to some arbitrary website to get my account "secure"... |
| 08:12.01 | frontendloader | colon not period |
| 08:12.47 | frontendloader | using too many different languages heavily right now and I mix up my syntax a lot |
| 08:13.50 | frontendloader | sadly I could probably just drop them all and do everything in java(script) and be just fine :/ |
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| 08:26.28 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/03/02/funny-pictures-furred-kind/ |
| 08:29.51 | Cairenn | lol |
| 08:38.35 | Landrell | http://failblog.org/2008/05/31/fail-winder/ this one is a classic. |
| 08:41.25 | Wobin | Landrell, I think that's more a "moron bait" than a product =P |
| 08:44.29 | Landrell | the ironic thing is a few years back, had a friend whose sister who was watching a movie, and when it was over, was trying to look for the rewind button on the dvd player. |
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| 08:56.31 | Grum | Landrell: blame habit :D |
| 09:07.26 | Landrell | yeah, I guess I could :) |
| 09:07.39 | Landrell | But it's just too fun to pick at folks for that regardless. |
| 09:08.06 | zenzio | nevermind rewinding DVDs, I still can't make my mom use single-clicks on websites |
| 09:15.59 | Landrell | hehe |
| 09:16.53 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:47.33 | Wobin | @CecilyChen: Five elements of being successful: Insight, Approach, Personality, Resource, Opportunity. What's your order? |
| 09:47.45 | Wobin | I'm so tempted to say "Earth, Wind, Fire, Water and Heart" |
| 09:48.13 | Grum | YOUR POWERS COMBINED I AM CAPTAIN PLANET!! |
| 09:48.51 | Grum | oh :( |
| 09:49.33 | Wobin | yeah =( |
| 09:50.34 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:50.47 | Grum | sends captain planet after Fisker |
| 09:51.01 | Fisker | I am Captain Planet |
| 09:51.08 | Grum | you have your head in your own ass :( |
| 09:51.08 | Wobin | You HAVE NO HEART |
| 09:51.15 | Grum | AND NO FIRE! |
| 09:51.28 | Wobin | at most, you're Corporal Plane |
| 09:53.32 | Grum | more like lieutenant fail :( |
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| 10:22.57 | olafski | wasn't the order earth fire wind water heart? |
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| 10:29.42 | Fisker | Said olafski, after frantically spending the last half hour on wikipedia imdb |
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| 10:43.29 | awweaver | | . |
| 10:44.37 | Fisker | ·  | |
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| 10:52.24 | awweaver | | . |
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| 11:06.33 | awweaver | ~botsnack |
| 11:06.33 | purl | awweaver: thanks |
| 11:07.14 | Fisker | ~botgtfo |
| 11:07.33 | awweaver | ? |
| 11:07.46 | awweaver | ~botsleep |
| 11:08.26 | Fisker | purl, gtfo |
| 11:08.27 | purl | Sorry sir, I won't bother you anymore. |
| 11:10.10 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 11:10.14 | Fisker | you are the cancer that's killing me |
| 11:15.34 | Wobin | See, cancer can do -good- things! |
| 11:18.17 | Cairenn | Fisker: I have a challenge for you, if you think you're up for it |
| 11:18.58 | Cairenn | interested in hearing it? |
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| 11:25.37 | mitch0 | isit hundreadpushups.com? :) |
| 11:26.03 | Fisker | dread? |
| 11:26.36 | Fisker | anyone here using google dns btw? |
| 11:27.06 | Sunrunners_Fire | I tried it; switched back to the comodo dns after a day or so. |
| 11:28.28 | Cairenn | so, wanna hear the challenge, Fisker? |
| 11:28.37 | Fisker | i hate challenges |
| 11:28.51 | Fisker | They're like bumps in a road |
| 11:28.55 | Fisker | they make me seasick |
| 11:29.56 | Cairenn | didn't think you'd be capable of it |
| 11:30.58 | Fisker | someone should make a "isgooglednsdownforeveryoneorjustme.com"-site :( |
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| 11:38.17 | olafski | I use my ISP's dns :< |
| 11:41.02 | awweaver | And wheres my sammich!? |
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| 11:45.43 | awweaver | what no one is gonna bring me a sammich |
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| 12:04.59 | awweaver | !moo |
| 12:05.04 | awweaver | ~moo |
| 12:05.05 | purl | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 12:05.22 | awweaver | LOL... |
| 12:05.44 | awweaver | i wonder |
| 12:05.49 | awweaver | ~quack |
| 12:05.50 | purl | quack is probably a headless gnutella client, or the noise of a duck, or enhances Emacs support for Scheme http://www.neilvandyke.org/quack/ |
| 12:06.14 | awweaver | ok... |
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| 12:14.59 | Adys | dhfkmgbjdflmpkpfgjdfgmdgjdgkmljgfulmdlmkgdmlgdfm |
| 12:15.02 | Adys | youtube ffs |
| 12:15.15 | zenzio | now what? |
| 12:15.24 | Adys | nothing now |
| 12:15.32 | Adys | the same fucking thing as ever, this stupid autoplay |
| 12:15.48 | zenzio | hm |
| 12:16.02 | zenzio | is this with Flash or <video>? |
| 12:16.08 | Adys | their new interface |
| 12:16.13 | Adys | when you search for something |
| 12:16.15 | zenzio | ah... haven't tried that |
| 12:16.18 | Adys | click a video |
| 12:16.20 | Adys | watch the video |
| 12:16.27 | Adys | as soon as it's finished, it autoplays the next result |
| 12:16.41 | zenzio | oh, no more "hey, I suggest these also"? |
| 12:16.57 | Adys | no, plain old content whoring |
| 12:21.33 | foxlit | hm, tools update. |
| 12:21.59 | Adys | probably the authenticator keylogger thing |
| 12:22.11 | zenzio | something else that really annoys me is cookie-based navigation. Go to a market-like site, open two tabs, go to the first tab you opened and click "next"... only to be taken to the next page for the category that the second tab opened |
| 12:22.30 | zenzio | because printing raw <a href> tags is too hard |
| 12:22.58 | Adys | not only that |
| 12:23.04 | Adys | did you see the youtube links? |
| 12:23.15 | zenzio | hm, not that I can recall |
| 12:23.32 | Adys | <span style="cursor: pointer; margin-right: 7px; text-decoration: none; " onclick="document.location.href='/watch?v=owGykVbfgUE'" onmouseover="this.style.textDecoration='underline'" onmouseout="this.style.textDecoration='none'"> |
| 12:23.33 | Adys | Old Spice - The Man Your Man Could Smell Like |
| 12:23.33 | Adys | </span> |
| 12:23.40 | Adys | this |
| 12:23.51 | zenzio | oh, now that you mention it... yeah >.< |
| 12:23.56 | Adys | play old "Let's break every single browser feature in one tag" |
| 12:24.02 | foxlit | madness |
| 12:24.08 | Adys | impossible to get it in a new fucking tab |
| 12:24.09 | zenzio | "plz not to bookmark this" |
| 12:24.12 | foxlit | Should clearly be <span class="link">stuff</span> |
| 12:24.41 | zenzio | really do wonder why they decided to not use <a> |
| 12:25.08 | foxlit | Perhaps they're sick of spiders. |
| 12:25.17 | Adys | didnt you hear? |
| 12:25.22 | Adys | html that makes sense is for losers |
| 12:25.24 | Adys | like vimeo |
| 12:25.40 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/robots.txt << wonder what that leaves |
| 12:25.54 | Adys | leaves /watch |
| 12:26.07 | Adys | they're pretty much disabling all the js crap |
| 12:26.25 | foxlit | Mhm. I still get regular <a> links |
| 12:26.33 | Adys | try in someone's channel |
| 12:27.05 | Adys | <a href="/" onmousedown="yt.analytics.urchinTracker('/Events/Header_4/YouTubeLogo');"> |
| 12:27.05 | Adys | <button id="logo" class="master-sprite" title="" onclick="window.top.location.href='/'; return false;"></button> |
| 12:27.05 | Adys | </a> |
| 12:27.08 | Adys | thats their fucking logo |
| 12:27.13 | Adys | please murder them |
| 12:28.43 | Arrowmaster | how about we just build a time machine then go back in time and murder whichever asshat invented javascript before he invents it |
| 12:30.05 | Arrowmaster | goes to sleep |
| 12:32.22 | Adys | Im tempted to just report this as an evangelism bug |
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| 12:32.37 | zenzio | do it |
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| 12:37.23 | foxlit | So, addons for loremaster |
| 12:37.48 | zenzio | if there is none, make one and call it Lorem Ipsum |
| 12:38.29 | foxlit | Are there any? |
| 12:39.28 | foxlit | Found everyquest,but that's a bit meh |
| 12:40.23 | Adys | everyquest does the job but yah, shitty categorizing and all |
| 12:40.32 | Adys | terribly annoying to browse too |
| 12:41.55 | foxlit | It's a bit annoying. |
| 12:42.11 | foxlit | Or, rather, it does something related, but it's not quite tuned to do what I want :( |
| 12:42.18 | foxlit | For instance, it doesn't filter breadcrumbs |
| 12:42.48 | Adys | zenzio: http://crbug.com/37305 |
| 12:43.16 | foxlit | I wonder if you have that data, Adys |
| 12:43.19 | zenzio | Adys: champion \o/ |
| 12:43.28 | Adys | foxlit: hm, possibly |
| 12:43.39 | Adys | Looking |
| 12:43.40 | foxlit | What counts against those achievements, and what quests block which other quests |
| 12:43.52 | Adys | but odds are it's something serverside |
| 12:44.21 | Adys | or... actually, since the quests dont get completed, it has to be some sort of flag |
| 12:45.02 | Adys | foxlit: got some example breadcrumbs in mind? |
| 12:45.09 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 12:45.41 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/10580/where-did-those-darn-gnomes-go/ |
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| 12:46.01 | Adys | Ironic that http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/10581/follow-the-breadcrumbs/ is the next one by id |
| 12:46.15 | foxlit | I think that's actually a proper chain. |
| 12:46.22 | Adys | Im sure its not |
| 12:46.25 | foxlit | Had a nice NPC counter and everything. |
| 12:46.28 | foxlit | But okay :) |
| 12:46.37 | Adys | because I know that this one I havent completed |
| 12:46.47 | Adys | and it wasnt sharable the other day |
| 12:47.47 | foxlit | http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/all/escape_through/ << mutually exclusive |
| 12:48.10 | Adys | Yah, I remember those too |
| 12:50.33 | Fisker | damn it sucks |
| 12:50.43 | Fisker | our days are 1,26 microseconds shorter now :( |
| 12:51.06 | foxlit | So earth spins faster? |
| 12:51.22 | foxlit | => We move faster => Relativity => We live longer. Hah! |
| 12:52.37 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/?followup__gt=0&questrequirement_quest__gt__not=0&quest_followup__gt__not=0 |
| 12:52.40 | Adys | I'm going on a limb here |
| 12:52.45 | Adys | and I'm gonna say all those are breadcrumbs |
| 12:53.16 | Adys | wait, set |
| 12:53.17 | Adys | sec |
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| 12:55.20 | Adys | mmh |
| 12:56.53 | Adys | foxlit: http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/?followup__gt=0&questrequirement_quest__gt__not=0 |
| 12:56.55 | Adys | Maybe this |
| 12:57.20 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/?followup__gt=0&questrequirement_quest__gt__not=0&provided_item__isnull=1 |
| 12:57.21 | Adys | or this |
| 12:57.51 | Adys | Yeah this could be it |
| 12:59.20 | foxlit | Includes http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/12912/a-great-storm-approaches/ |
| 12:59.39 | foxlit | http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/3942/linkens-memory/ |
| 13:00.11 | Adys | grmph |
| 13:00.13 | foxlit | http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/7623/lord-banehollow/ |
| 13:01.20 | foxlit | I wonder if I can pull that from the in-game achievement api |
| 13:01.29 | Adys | pull what? |
| 13:02.15 | foxlit | Which quests actually count for loremaster achievements |
| 13:02.22 | Adys | nah |
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| 13:02.29 | Adys | it would be in the dbcs, and I'm positive I havent seen that |
| 13:02.32 | foxlit | There's a second, harder problem of "which quests preclude which other quests" |
| 13:03.04 | Adys | what do you mean? like the escape through force/stealth one? |
| 13:03.13 | foxlit | Yep. |
| 13:03.21 | foxlit | Plus the usual prerequisite chains. |
| 13:03.26 | Adys | I'm positive this is, at least alliance-side, a one-time occurence |
| 13:03.27 | Kaso | you need a massive database of quest completions which you can look for patterns in |
| 13:03.30 | foxlit | i.e. you can't do (Thing) before doing (Thing) |
| 13:03.34 | Kaso | something like what questhelper etc have |
| 13:03.58 | Adys | most other "multi-quests" complete each other when you hand it in |
| 13:04.24 | Adys | Kaso don't be so sure |
| 13:04.34 | Adys | I'm positive we'll have more data to play with in cataclysm |
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| 13:06.30 | foxlit | whoah |
| 13:06.49 | foxlit | for i=1,10000 do someAPICall(1678, i); print(i); end |
| 13:06.56 | foxlit | And last output is 47 |
| 13:07.31 | zenzio | which API call was this? |
| 13:08.41 | foxlit | GetAchievementCriteriaInfo |
| 13:09.10 | foxlit | I clearly need to re-enable "show lua errors" |
| 13:11.52 | Adys | btw foxlit |
| 13:11.59 | Adys | the achievement api doesn't do any net call |
| 13:12.16 | Adys | and Im pretty sure if there was a huge list of thousands of quests, I'd have seen it |
| 13:12.20 | foxlit | Interesting. |
| 13:13.34 | foxlit | Windows line endings are \r\n, right? |
| 13:13.44 | zenzio | yup |
| 13:13.54 | foxlit | Wonder why notepad whines when I copy things, then :( |
| 13:14.11 | Adys | because its notepad :P |
| 13:14.42 | zenzio | whines how? |
| 13:14.53 | foxlit | Pastes everything on a single line |
| 13:15.11 | zenzio | where are you copying from? |
| 13:15.17 | foxlit | wow. |
| 13:15.43 | zenzio | does it show funky square characters for the \n? |
| 13:15.57 | foxlit | Just blanks |
| 13:15.58 | Fisker | slaps zenzio around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:16.57 | zenzio | hm. Try pasting it in a more advanced editor? It sounds like it's not getting "proper" Windows line-endings |
| 13:23.30 | foxlit | wordpad will work, it's not that big of a problem |
| 13:25.05 | zenzio | I was just curious. As Adys said, notepad is very limited in functionality, so it would seem you're only getting \n or something like that |
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| 13:27.15 | foxlit | So criteriainfo actually returns a list of zone IDs for those achievements |
| 13:27.54 | Adys | foxlit: it's the amount of completed quests categorized in that zone |
| 13:28.05 | foxlit | Adys: it has no individual data, I think. |
| 13:28.10 | Adys | yep |
| 13:28.38 | foxlit | So there must be a flag, somewhere, that says "Hey, this quest counts!" |
| 13:28.55 | Adys | foxlit: it's a counter |
| 13:29.00 | foxlit | Entirely possible that's server side, though. |
| 13:29.12 | Adys | Yeah I'm pretty positive it is at this point |
| 13:29.24 | foxlit | quests have no unknown flags fields? :) |
| 13:30.02 | Adys | they do, but I don't see any of them in the few breadcrumbs i found |
| 13:33.16 | Adys | foxlit: quests are one of the most serverside models |
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| 13:33.24 | Adys | I wouldnt be surprised the breadcrumb data is there |
| 13:34.54 | Fisker | i need a fermi :( |
| 13:38.00 | foxlit | Wonder if you can catch them by the lacking XP awards. |
| 13:38.12 | foxlit | This stuff looks gloomy :( |
| 13:39.32 | Kaso | http://www.andrew-hoyer.com/experiments/cloth |
| 13:39.36 | Kaso | this is pretty cool |
| 13:39.53 | Kaso | for bonus fun use firebug/inspector and add extra elements to the dropdown |
| 13:40.07 | Kaso | chrome is still almost tollerable with 100 points |
| 13:44.03 | olafski | foxlit: but don't some of these breadcrumb quests actually count for loremaster? |
| 13:44.23 | foxlit | olafski: I was under the impression that anything you could skip and then be unable to do does not |
| 13:48.16 | olafski | hm |
| 13:48.19 | olafski | one sec |
| 13:48.53 | Kaso | surely empirical study is the simple way to get this? |
| 13:49.11 | olafski | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=1097 <-- counts for loremaster.. not sure if it's a "breadcrumb" quest though |
| 13:49.17 | Kaso | watch quest hand-ins and see if loremaster achievements increment |
| 13:49.32 | olafski | isn't there an addon that does that kaso? |
| 13:49.36 | foxlit | Kaso: It's simple, but time consuming |
| 13:49.54 | olafski | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/loremaster.aspx |
| 13:49.59 | Kaso | well it seems like something that should be integrated to wowhead, questhelper etc |
| 13:50.29 | Kaso | something with a large existing userbase |
| 13:50.33 | Kaso | rather than trying to do just this |
| 13:50.40 | olafski | agreed =) |
| 13:51.01 | olafski | I thought zorbathut was working on some stuff for loremaster, maybe he already has this? |
| 13:51.31 | Kaso | i think he's stepping back from questhelper a little now. |
| 13:51.54 | Kaso | according to my reading of his changelog at least |
| 13:52.07 | olafski | ah okay |
| 13:52.31 | Kaso | but it seems a shame to let such an awesome database go to waste |
| 13:53.01 | Kaso | ZorbaTHut: you should consider about releasing your database and dev tools from questhelper. |
| 13:54.31 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/ironing_death.png |
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| 13:55.53 | mikma | wobwork: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/c46a84d.jpg still funny ;) |
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| 14:09.15 | Kraps | http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/ |
| 14:09.26 | Kraps | morning |
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| 14:16.18 | Kraps | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2010/03/vault-leasing/ |
| 14:18.19 | Kalroth | aww |
| 14:19.01 | amro | any msvc users around? I need to figure out a way to make the console output sticky |
| 14:21.37 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5484025/diablo-iiis-male-wizard-is-a-sexy-rock-god |
| 14:22.37 | foxlit | "Assemle an" |
| 14:22.47 | foxlit | "Assemble an army for this task, foxlit!" "Suggest Players [2]" |
| 14:22.52 | foxlit | ^ed |
| 14:24.51 | Kraps | ~define army |
| 14:24.52 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 14:24.57 | foxlit | This ex 40-man raid boss now has 12k hp |
| 14:25.11 | Kraps | foxlit: who? |
| 14:25.13 | olafski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Two |
| 14:25.37 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=8315 |
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| 14:30.38 | Kraps | "So if we kill WoW, GH and COD, Kotick will be so weak that we can go in for the finishing blow? Seems ike an epic bossfight if I ever saw one. I nominate myself for the final party. " |
| 14:31.13 | amro | I'm in |
| 14:31.22 | Kraps | those 3 games are what keep activision going btw |
| 14:31.29 | amro | clearly |
| 14:32.15 | Kraps | "For example, it points out that in fiscal 2009, which ended in December, that their top three franchises, Call of Duty, Guitar Hero, and World of Warcraft, accounted for about 68 percent of their net revenues for the year." |
| 14:33.07 | Kraps | wow is 98% of blizz's revenue |
| 14:33.31 | amro | it's not like they've released anything else since wow |
| 14:33.39 | amro | besides battle chests maybe |
| 14:33.40 | olafski | slackers I say |
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| 14:42.05 | Kraps | Improved Revenge now Increases damage of your Revenge ability by 30/60% (up from 10/20%) and causes Revenge to strike an additional target for 50% damage. |
| 14:42.10 | Kraps | AWWW SHIT |
| 14:42.44 | zenzio | for real? |
| 14:42.56 | Kraps | Vitality now increases your total Strength by 2/4/6%, Stamina by 3/6/9% and your Expertise by 2/4/6. |
| 14:43.16 | zenzio | I already use Revenge a lot, maybe other warriors will start caring now :-p |
| 14:43.20 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.25 | olafski | nice |
| 14:44.31 | Kraps | Lich King (10) Heroic World First Kill by Paragon |
| 14:44.46 | Kraps | the buff was used |
| 14:45.27 | Kalroth | orly |
| 14:46.09 | zenzio | hm, Imp Revenge no longer stuns though... oh well |
| 14:46.21 | zenzio | was more an amusement than a benefit |
| 14:46.48 | olafski | kraps: any idea if there will be a way to see if someone got their achievement with or without the buff? |
| 14:47.28 | Kraps | olafski: nothing here http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/march/10lkhard.jpg |
| 14:47.43 | olafski | yeah I looked .. maybe they'll add something later |
| 14:47.57 | olafski | wonder if my gf's guild will progress some more now.. they're not doing too well |
| 14:48.43 | Kalroth | olafski: well they killed him 9:02 this morning, when did the buff go live on EU servers? |
| 14:48.44 | Kraps | zenzio: it was like gambling, "i hope it will interrupt now!" |
| 14:48.52 | zenzio | stun |
| 14:48.53 | zenzio | but yeah :) |
| 14:49.13 | zenzio | think I only really noticed it when soloing old instances :-p |
| 14:49.52 | Kraps | i'm still sad about the conc blow nerf |
| 14:50.04 | zenzio | yeah, but I can understand it |
| 14:51.12 | olafski | kalroth: no idea.. today, but I don't know when the servers went up |
| 14:51.35 | olafski | kalroth: I'm wondering more if there's a way to see prove they didn't use it, if someone should claim that |
| 14:51.39 | olafski | I think they admitted using it |
| 14:51.51 | `-FISKER_Q | Kraps |
| 14:51.54 | `-FISKER_Q | mentos freshmaker |
| 14:52.01 | airtonix | mentats |
| 14:52.28 | olafski | where |
| 14:52.30 | Kraps | olafski: they did |
| 14:52.33 | airtonix | to your left |
| 14:53.24 | olafski | not like there's any merit in getting a kill without the buff when you've killed it with the buff first though, or when other people in your group killed it before |
| 14:54.07 | Adys | imho killing him with the buff shouldnt award the serverfirst ach |
| 14:54.56 | olafski | hm |
| 14:59.54 | `-FISKER_Q | i peter molyneux u Kraps |
| 15:00.17 | Kraps | `-FISKER_Q: eh? |
| 15:02.10 | `-FISKER_Q | Do you like ponies Kraps ? |
| 15:02.15 | mikma | http://www.topeka.org/ |
| 15:02.24 | Kraps | `-FISKER_Q: eh? |
| 15:02.28 | `-FISKER_Q | DO YOU LIKE PONIES? |
| 15:02.49 | `-FISKER_Q | i hope lawsuit is an option mikma |
| 15:04.27 | mikma | why is that |
| 15:05.31 | `-FISKER_Q | For being generally retarded |
| 15:05.32 | mikma | like you are being now? |
| 15:06.16 | `-FISKER_Q | Not in any legal capacity though |
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| 15:12.10 | `-FISKER_Q | anyway Kraps |
| 15:12.15 | `-FISKER_Q | is there anything you'd like? |
| 15:15.42 | Kraps | `-FISKER_Q: no, why? |
| 15:16.41 | Kraps | and whats with all the questions? |
| 15:18.03 | `-FISKER_Q | i peter molyneux u Kraps |
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| 15:21.04 | Kraps | `-FISKER_Q: i dont speak dutch and google translate is no help |
| 15:21.51 | `-FISKER_Q | ok |
| 15:21.59 | `-FISKER_Q | I will make you speak dutch |
| 15:22.04 | `-FISKER_Q | or atleast make google translate better |
| 15:22.17 | `-FISKER_Q | Sounds nice righT? |
| 15:22.19 | `-FISKER_Q | right |
| 15:23.19 | olafski | why do you bother kraps :P |
| 15:23.27 | olafski | why do you bother, kraps :P |
| 15:23.45 | `-FISKER_Q | do you want anything olafski ? |
| 15:23.59 | olafski | many things, but it's unlikely that any of them come from you |
| 15:24.17 | Kraps | ^ |
| 15:24.29 | Ackis | why is `-FISKER_Q not Fisker? |
| 15:25.52 | `-FISKER_Q | because i'm awesome |
| 15:26.05 | Elkano | ~emulate Fisker |
| 15:26.06 | purl | rumour has it, emulate fisker is "<reply> OH MY GOD I AM GOING TO CUM" |
| 15:26.22 | Fisker | olafski well duh |
| 15:26.26 | Fisker | that's why i peter molyneux u |
| 15:26.59 | olafski | alright |
| 15:27.40 | mikma | ain't peter molyneux the author of Black & White |
| 15:27.53 | Fisker | yes |
| 15:29.04 | Kraps | the QQ about the buff is strong |
| 15:29.21 | olafski | yes mikma .. and he always rants about how you can do "anything" |
| 15:30.22 | Fisker | QQ Kraps |
| 15:30.37 | mikma | he had big ideas to B&W, but like 35% of them came true |
| 15:30.56 | olafski | mikma: same with fable & fable 2.. and upcoming fable 3 |
| 15:31.01 | Fisker | B&W was a decent game though |
| 15:31.19 | Fisker | I wish he had made a better sequel though |
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| 15:58.18 | Ackis | anyone know how GFWL works behind a natted router? |
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| 16:05.29 | tem|work | foxlit: ping |
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| 16:09.19 | cog|away | Fisker: |
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| 16:15.48 | foxlit | tem|work: pong? |
| 16:16.28 | tem|work | remember on monday, the thing I was working on? |
| 16:16.47 | foxlit | hm, html controls and stuff |
| 16:16.48 | tem|work | I gave up and went home because my service wasn't cooperating |
| 16:17.23 | tem|work | it's working properly this morning, and I tried spitting all of it into a simple ul instead of the select |
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| 16:17.29 | tem|work | it's blindly fast now |
| 16:17.48 | tem|work | so it's definitely related to the browser being unhappy about 2k form controls |
| 16:18.29 | tem|work | I think I'm about to just populate it over time with a setTimeout |
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| 16:25.17 | ZorbaTHut | kaso, I've considered it. there's really three issues with it - first, it's still major leverage to sell the package to someone ;) second, it's of dubious value to most people who would want it - it's a 12-hour build process on a quadcore linux box with a bunch of complicated setup. and third, the source data would cost around $10 per person to download from amazon s3 |
| 16:25.42 | Kaso | holy fuck thats alot of source |
| 16:25.46 | foxlit | multiple selection list translates relatively well to a scrollable list of checkboxes. |
| 16:26.12 | Kaso | oh yeah cos you have gigabytes of data dont you ;p |
| 16:26.18 | ZorbaTHut | well, it's every file that's been emailed to me at gmail |
| 16:26.22 | ZorbaTHut | so, yes. :) |
| 16:27.09 | ZorbaTHut | I suppose I could provide a decompressed version, but the decompressed version is, shall we say, heavily tailored to the needs of questhelper |
| 16:27.21 | ZorbaTHut | (of the final output, I mean) |
| 16:27.57 | Kaso | surely simply bziping the lua savedvariables would save you alot? but then that'd prob take a while to compress, and doesnt negate the two other issues. |
| 16:28.15 | ZorbaTHut | they are bzipped. ;) |
| 16:28.27 | ZorbaTHut | when I say I have a lot of data, I mean I have a *lot* of data. |
| 16:28.50 | Kaso | holy moly |
| 16:33.26 | ZorbaTHut | okay, not quite as bad as I thought - looks like I've got about 38gb after bzipping |
| 16:34.17 | Kaso | still, yes a bit of a pain to distrubute |
| 16:34.24 | ZorbaTHut | yep. |
| 16:34.36 | olafski | can't you make specific packages? e.g. release a list of quests that count for loremaster =) |
| 16:34.39 | foxlit | Not all of it is interesting, however. |
| 16:34.46 | olafski | if you're keeping that kind of data of course |
| 16:34.59 | foxlit | And if you're just bzipping every incoming SV file, there's presumably a heckload of redundancy in there. |
| 16:35.05 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, my input is 38gb of data. my output is a highly-compressed lua database representation. |
| 16:35.14 | ZorbaTHut | adding further output sources would take a lot of work on my behalf. :) |
| 16:35.28 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, true. the tricky part is figuring out where the redundancy is. also, I don't like getting rid of my source data |
| 16:35.34 | olafski | hm yeah true you could just let the clients filter the data : |
| 16:35.36 | ZorbaTHut | sometimes it turns out you need to process stuff differently |
| 16:35.36 | olafski | :)* |
| 16:35.48 | ZorbaTHut | and for that, you need to go back to the original source again |
| 16:36.40 | ZorbaTHut | for example, about a month after Wrath was released, it turned out I'd gotten the coordinates for Icecrown wrong, and either I was going to have major global routing issues, or I was going to have locations showing up in the wrong spot for anyone in Icecrown, or I had to reprocess all my data from scratch. Which was easy. ;) |
| 16:37.28 | mikma | so you did nothing? |
| 16:38.08 | olafski | he reprocessed the data I'd say :P |
| 16:40.38 | ZorbaTHut | mikma, wipe intermediate data (cd data && rm -rf 02 03 04 05 06 07 08) and rebuild. Done. |
| 16:40.48 | ZorbaTHut | took an extra eight hours or so, but |
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| 17:06.22 | Shadowed | Mmmm, anyone know how much of a pain it is to get your secret answer from Blizzard now and days? |
| 17:08.37 | Fisker | I believe you either need the cd-key or a photo id |
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| 17:11.00 | Shadowed | Wonder if I have the cd-key somewhere |
| 17:11.48 | Kraps | "Druids are sprinklers. A paladin is a (pair of) Fire Hose(s). Holy Priests and Shaman are buckets (think: Air-Drop-Sized buckets). Or, I suppose if you prefer, toilets. Water balloons? Some sort of more discrete "chunk of water" effect. Disc Priests are Smokey the Bear telling attacks not to hurt players, because only they can prevent raid wipes. Look, it's not a perfect analogy." |
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| 17:20.48 | Kaso | lol |
| 17:21.20 | Kaso | renew spec holy priest are priests pretending to be druids, how does that fit in |
| 17:22.07 | Ackis | that's how I played my priest :( |
| 17:22.11 | Ackis | it was win for BC |
| 17:23.08 | Kaso | its pretty win now |
| 17:23.14 | Kaso | at least for certain fights |
| 17:23.35 | Ackis | people were like lulz ur doin it wrong |
| 17:23.41 | Ackis | and i'm like lulz s my d |
| 17:23.50 | Ackis | and they're like ur bad |
| 17:24.05 | Ackis | and i'm like lulz |
| 17:25.00 | Kraps | imp renew wouldnt be bad for disc would it? |
| 17:26.04 | Kraps | you would lose .3 sec on greater heal |
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| 17:27.08 | Ackis | eh from the little I played you didn't use greater heal anymore |
| 17:27.32 | Lunessa | Yes you do. |
| 17:28.39 | Kaso | depends how you play disc, but i dont gh much as disc |
| 17:30.21 | Lunessa | He sadi he was "Renew Spec" |
| 17:30.24 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:30.43 | Ackis | Lunessa: it seemed to be all flash heal spam =/ |
| 17:31.07 | Kaso | who are we talking about now |
| 17:31.08 | Lunessa | Ackis: Meh. Flash Heal Spam is the Dark Side |
| 17:31.21 | Kaso | kraps mentioned disc spec. |
| 17:31.44 | Ackis | Kaso: my general raiding experience in wrath, and how terrible the game became because of it and why I don't play wow any longer |
| 17:32.46 | Kraps | Ackis: raiding is terrible |
| 17:32.57 | Kraps | level alt |
| 17:32.58 | Kraps | s |
| 17:33.16 | Ackis | Kraps: or move on and play something more fun ;) |
| 17:33.33 | zenzelezz | "Player characters below level 174 on accounts that have not been logged in during the last 18 months will receive a "D0000....-1" default name."... fancy default names |
| 17:33.45 | Kraps | like what ackis? |
| 17:33.52 | Ackis | XBOX 360! |
| 17:33.59 | Ackis | no one is level 174 |
| 17:34.04 | Kraps | boo consoles |
| 17:34.14 | zenzelezz | Ackis: this is for Anarchy Online; the level cap is 220 |
| 17:34.19 | Ackis | ah |
| 17:34.29 | tem|work | Kraps: that's an awesome quote. where did you find it? |
| 17:34.29 | Kaso | is storing names too much data for their database? |
| 17:34.31 | Ackis | Kraps: being naked on the couch > being naked in a computer chair |
| 17:34.53 | nevcairiel | Kaso: they probably want to free the names for new players |
| 17:35.18 | Kraps | Ackis: cant argue with that |
| 17:35.40 | nevcairiel | playing wow on a 50" plasma from your couch is fun too :d |
| 17:35.45 | Kraps | tem|work: second post http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23425556606&sid=1 |
| 17:36.00 | Ackis | nevcairiel: can you do that? :P |
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| 17:36.24 | nevcairiel | sure, why not? |
| 17:36.53 | nevcairiel | just get a big pillow to rest your mouse and mousepad on, and questing etc works |
| 17:37.02 | nevcairiel | raiding might be hard, but can probably get a keyboard in there too |
| 17:37.43 | Ackis | I would have no idea how to output my video card to my tv |
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| 17:37.53 | nevcairiel | HDMI my friend, HDMI |
| 17:38.18 | nevcairiel | tbh, a tv with hdmi usually also comes with a DVI connector |
| 17:38.19 | zenzelezz | most new TVs at the very least have DVI |
| 17:38.22 | zenzelezz | but yeah, HDMI <3 |
| 17:38.33 | tem|work | hdmi and div are electrically compatible |
| 17:38.47 | nevcairiel | HDMI to AV-Receiver, so i also get sound on my 7.1! |
| 17:38.47 | tem|work | so div < - > hdmi is "trivial" |
| 17:38.59 | durcyn | yeah, interconnects with DRM hobbles built-in, YAY! |
| 17:39.05 | zenzelezz | yeah, you can get adapters easily |
| 17:41.33 | Ackis | so what you're saying is it's done by "magic" ok good enough |
| 17:41.52 | Cide | only bad thing about dvi <-> hdmi is that you lose sound |
| 17:42.07 | nevcairiel | I still wonder one thing though |
| 17:42.33 | nevcairiel | my GFX card can supposedly output sound when i connect its SPDIF IN to my mainboards SPDIF out |
| 17:42.45 | nevcairiel | but the card only has DVI and a converter to HDMI that came with it |
| 17:42.53 | nevcairiel | supposedly, that will make sound work, still |
| 17:43.17 | nevcairiel | I don't have my AV-Receiver yet, so i'm going to test htat in a week or two when i get it |
| 17:44.33 | nevcairiel | otherwise i'll need to throw in a SPDIF optical for the sound, not that it matters much |
| 17:45.13 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/26/23425527592-death-grip-change-8-yds-minimum.html hahaha |
| 17:45.49 | Kraps | this is why datamining is bad |
| 17:46.02 | Kraps | but dont stop |
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| 17:48.27 | Bibi | Kraps : that's an incredibly stupid comment |
| 17:48.34 | Bibi | datamining just brings up the problem early |
| 17:48.44 | Bibi | it wouldn't have changed anything, the change is in game and effective |
| 17:48.47 | Kraps | i said dont stop |
| 17:48.58 | Bibi | any death knight who spends more than 5 minutes in game will notice the chance and ask the question anyway |
| 17:49.02 | Bibi | change |
| 17:49.30 | nevcairiel | the change is on the ptr, and would probably be gone on the next push |
| 17:49.34 | Bibi | Blizzard blames everything on datamining |
| 17:49.42 | nevcairiel | and blizzard didnt even mention it :P |
| 17:49.45 | Bibi | but when the official site says that Algalon is the final boss of VoA, it's fine. |
| 17:49.57 | Kraps | yeah i saw that :/ |
| 17:50.18 | Kraps | my apologies |
| 17:50.30 | zenzelezz | touchy |
| 17:51.37 | Cide | isn't he? |
| 17:51.40 | Cide | vault of algalon |
| 17:53.19 | Adys | I'm supposed to be the one whining about this stuff |
| 17:53.32 | Adys | also datamining is good |
| 17:53.46 | Bibi | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/questlevels.html |
| 17:53.47 | Bibi | \o/ |
| 17:53.58 | Adys | just looking at the insane amount of glitches that get on my list every single patch |
| 17:54.01 | nevcairiel | It is kinda weird to update db.mmo-c to the ptr values, imho |
| 17:54.04 | Adys | we're probably blizzard's best QA :P |
| 17:54.16 | Fisker | hey Bibi |
| 17:54.25 | Adys | nevcairiel: why? |
| 17:54.44 | nevcairiel | if i want to use it as a lookup page for stuff, i now get stuff thats not even valid (yet) |
| 17:55.05 | Fisker | the wow site should've been dismantled and started for the ground up when the armory was launched |
| 17:55.09 | Adys | what ill probably end up doing is a "live backup" page |
| 17:55.17 | Fisker | the amount of outdated and incorrect information on their pages are mindboggling |
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| 17:55.25 | Bibi | yeah |
| 17:55.31 | Adys | but Ill still show ptr values by default |
| 17:55.38 | Bibi | the worst thing is |
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| 17:55.53 | Bibi | Blizzard has 2 choices, either fix their things and start providing decent information to players |
| 17:56.00 | Bibi | or fight fansites who do a better job than they do |
| 17:56.03 | Bibi | guess what they picked. |
| 17:56.16 | foxlit | Fisker: what's with the lacking SC2 gameplay? |
| 17:56.23 | Fisker | kinda busy lately |
| 17:56.27 | Fisker | also kinda tired |
| 17:56.28 | Cide | FAIL |
| 17:56.31 | foxlit | boo! |
| 17:56.39 | Fisker | haven't even been able to get myself to do daily heroic lately |
| 17:56.54 | Adys | jesus, you must be in bad shape. |
| 17:56.59 | foxlit | There's less reason to, with ICC dropping badges like candy |
| 17:57.05 | Fisker | yeah |
| 17:58.00 | cog|away | speaking of which... |
| 17:58.13 | Kraps | Bibi: just so you know, mmo-c is the best thing on the web IMO |
| 17:58.30 | Adys | Kraps: second best thing |
| 17:58.34 | Bibi | yeah |
| 17:58.36 | Bibi | I'm the first one. |
| 17:58.36 | Adys | db.mmoc is the best one. |
| 17:58.49 | Fisker | I like how mmo-champion were like "This is spoilers so you might not want to read" |
| 17:59.05 | Fisker | Blizzard = "OMG NEFARIOUS WEBSITES ARE CORRUPTING OUR COMMUNITY BY SPOILING THE GAME" |
| 17:59.19 | Fisker | Blizzard then spoils the lich king ending themselves technically |
| 17:59.33 | Bibi | it's just silly |
| 17:59.36 | Bibi | as far as I understand |
| 17:59.41 | Bibi | they took down the video because it wasn't live yet |
| 17:59.49 | Bibi | even if I waited for the first kill to publish it |
| 17:59.55 | Bibi | it wouldn't make any difference |
| 18:00.12 | Adys | am i the only one who had the video in plain clear avi format, readable by anyone, in a "Cinematics" folder in my wow directory? |
| 18:00.18 | Bibi | I would do it as soon as the first kill hits, and it would still be a spoiler to the rest of the world, minus 25 guys. |
| 18:00.20 | zenzelezz | "A Kingston executive said it was unclear if stomach acid could damage one of their drives. 'As you might imagine, we have no actual experience with someone swallowing a USB.''' |
| 18:00.32 | Bibi | haha |
| 18:00.36 | Ackis | Bibi and Adys ruined wow for me, they're the reason I don't play wow now! |
| 18:00.42 | Bibi | the worst thing is |
| 18:00.44 | Adys | I'm starting to seriously wonder that, did my patcher just break and EVERYONE ELSE's correctly patched it deep inside a mpq in 500 encrypted chunks? |
| 18:00.59 | Bibi | we're probably the biggest reason why players go back to the game |
| 18:01.08 | Bibi | because they check MMO-Champion, see tons of cool things, and decide to come back |
| 18:01.16 | Kraps | ^ |
| 18:01.28 | Ackis | Bibi: I know, I just have to give you a hard time |
| 18:01.32 | Adys | don't blow the ankles too hard Bibi I'll still need room in bed :P |
| 18:02.06 | zenzelezz | what's MMO-Champion? |
| 18:02.07 | Bibi | :( |
| 18:02.12 | Bibi | afk shower! |
| 18:02.38 | Ackis | wait Bibi and Adys live together! |
| 18:02.48 | Ackis | spoils that for all WoW fans! |
| 18:02.53 | Adys | no, we're just buttbuddies |
| 18:02.58 | zenzelezz | I suspect they're just each other's split personalities |
| 18:03.16 | Adys | whatever you call it, heard it both ways. |
| 18:03.18 | Ackis | they can't be split personalities because they both don't like me |
| 18:03.56 | Adys | huh |
| 18:03.59 | Adys | thats interesting |
| 18:04.25 | Adys | spell/combat events are sent from further away than viewing distance |
| 18:04.31 | Adys | like 10-15 yards more |
| 18:04.51 | Ackis | I read somewhere that people were thinking Assassins Creed 2 was going to be the "hardest DRM to break" because of how integrated it was in the system. It's cracked already. (Not surprising) |
| 18:05.25 | Kraps | Ackis: but i think you cant save your progress (?) |
| 18:05.43 | Ackis | with the crack? you probably can, otherwise it's pretty useless |
| 18:05.53 | Ackis | I didn't search for it, I refuse to get AC2 for the PC |
| 18:06.00 | Ackis | (beat it on xbox already lulz) |
| 18:06.46 | Adys | psych today |
| 18:06.47 | Adys | \o/ |
| 18:09.24 | Kraps | ncis \o/ |
| 18:11.23 | Fisker | it's not cracked yet Ackis |
| 18:11.32 | Fisker | but the online system is bypassed already |
| 18:11.41 | Fisker | but they're getting hit with copy protection triggers in the game itself |
| 18:11.51 | Fisker | That should be the easy part though |
| 18:12.07 | Fisker | But it's probably kinda like XIII where they have a billion different triggers |
| 18:14.43 | Ackis | breaks Fisker's copy protection and copies him. |
| 18:15.52 | zenzelezz | like one Fisker wasn't enough |
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| 18:16.55 | Kraps | the ghosts from Devourer of Souls aggroable? |
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| 18:17.14 | Kraps | like with a thunderclap |
| 18:17.33 | zenzelezz | don't think so |
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| 18:26.27 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:27.52 | Kraps | casts Frost Shock on Fisker's trout |
| 18:29.29 | Shirik | destroys Fisker |
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| 18:36.31 | Fisker | you can't Shirik |
| 18:36.36 | Fisker | that's the beauty of it |
| 18:36.46 | Shirik | incorrect |
| 18:36.55 | Shirik | your mind cannot comprehend my technology's capabilities |
| 18:37.07 | zenzelezz | } |
| 18:37.12 | zenzelezz | Fisker is now out of scope |
| 18:37.29 | Shirik | you're outside your scope son, close them curly brackets! |
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| 18:38.35 | Fisker | SIMPLETONS |
| 18:42.34 | zenzelezz | I think you misspelled singletons |
| 18:44.45 | Lunessa | I hate when I tell someone that their laptop has a hardware problem that requires sending it to the manufacturer for repair they get indignant and want me to just "fix it" over the phone. |
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| 18:49.01 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:49.12 | Shirik | I cannot hear you, you have been destroyed |
| 18:51.28 | Fisker | i'm not producing any soundwaves by you receiving text on irc |
| 18:51.29 | Fisker | ;3 |
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| 18:52.22 | Ackis | Shirik: I created a second Fisker by circumventing the first ones copy protection. |
| 18:54.03 | Fisker | i'm backed up on a server at Aperture Science as well |
| 18:54.40 | Ackis | so I found something new and interesting.. may hard drive hasn't crashed since I removed something from the USB ports. |
| 18:58.00 | zenzelezz | im in ur usb port, messin up ur hard disc drives |
| 18:58.13 | Shirik | how exactly does a hard drive crash? |
| 18:59.12 | Ackis | it seems to skip reading stuff, system acts like I'm pausing/unpausing, then locks up, upon reboot I get a SMART error message |
| 18:59.33 | nevcairiel | how exactly is a error message smart? |
| 18:59.59 | Ackis | it's not smart, if it was it'd tell me what's wrong but the acronym is SMART :P |
| 19:00.31 | nevcairiel | rescue your data and get a new drive |
| 19:00.58 | Ackis | data is backed up nightly, too lazy to get a new drive, don't feel like doing the full reinstall thing |
| 19:01.21 | Ackis | have to reinstall OS, apps, games... bleh I say... bleh! |
| 19:01.36 | nevcairiel | I'm up for a reinstall |
| 19:01.44 | nevcairiel | will probably do it once i get my new sound card |
| 19:02.07 | Ackis | I should've done it off the start when I realized I partitioned my drives wrong lulz |
| 19:02.31 | nevcairiel | speaking of new sound cards, ckk needs to get the point generation going again! |
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| 19:02.48 | Ackis | it's not ckk or Kaelten it's the SF peeps :( |
| 19:03.40 | Shirik | Ackis |
| 19:03.42 | Shirik | icu |
| 19:04.00 | Shirik | btw, when SMART indicates a problem, there's a problem, period |
| 19:04.04 | Shirik | the USB device is a coincidence |
| 19:04.12 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:04.15 | nevcairiel | I had some funny things with USB too, fwiw |
| 19:04.21 | Shirik | SMART is entirely computed on the drive |
| 19:04.24 | nevcairiel | i couldn't boot for a while when my ipod was connected |
| 19:04.25 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 19:04.37 | Shirik | that's probably because your computer was trying to boot to the ipod |
| 19:04.40 | Fisker | i've had smart telling me my drive died several years ago |
| 19:04.43 | Ackis | Shirik: I know but I can clear the error message and forget about it ;) |
| 19:05.02 | Fisker | ipods aren't identified as mass storage units so that seems silly Shirik |
| 19:05.59 | Shirik | Fisker: Doesn't matter, it's still a USB device, and BIOS manufacturers suck |
| 19:05.59 | nevcairiel | i also have boot order setup properly |
| 19:05.59 | nevcairiel | no usb in there |
| 19:05.59 | Shirik | Ackis: Go for it |
| 19:05.59 | nevcairiel | it works with other usb sticks just fine |
| 19:05.59 | nevcairiel | just not with the ipod |
| 19:05.59 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I'm giving you the only logical conclusion |
| 19:05.59 | nevcairiel | but that was my old board |
| 19:05.59 | nevcairiel | works with the new |
| 19:06.00 | nevcairiel | so no idea :D |
| 19:06.02 | Shirik | Ackis: When your drive dies and you don't have a backup, I will laugh at you |
| 19:06.22 | Shirik | and then you will learn to be smart with SMART |
| 19:06.23 | zenzelezz | <Ackis> data is backed up nightly, too lazy to get a new drive, don't feel like doing the full reinstall thing |
| 19:06.23 | Shirik | lololol |
| 19:06.25 | Ackis | Shirik: I mentioned I have nightly backups |
| 19:06.53 | Ackis | my data is backed up nightly to my DNS-323 which has two 1 TB drives in a raid 1 array |
| 19:06.53 | zenzelezz | but then this is Shirik... he doesn't read anything unless it's a technical draft, a standard or a wiki |
| 19:06.59 | Shirik | ^ |
| 19:07.12 | Ackis | [[I back my shit up nightly | lulz]] |
| 19:07.22 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 19:07.53 | Shirik | ew @ random whitespace |
| 19:07.55 | Shirik | who taught you to wiki |
| 19:08.24 | Ackis | I like my random whitespace |
| 19:08.26 | zenzelezz | '''''orly?''''' |
| 19:08.42 | cog|away | h8 wikimedia markup |
| 19:08.44 | Shirik | um |
| 19:08.49 | Shirik | thwacks zenzelezz |
| 19:09.06 | Shirik | cog|away: It's really quite simple |
| 19:09.14 | Ackis | Shirik: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Ackis I R WIKIER |
| 19:09.14 | Shirik | well |
| 19:09.17 | Shirik | until you get into templates |
| 19:09.20 | zenzelezz | being simple doesn't mean we have to like it |
| 19:09.28 | cog|away | ^ |
| 19:10.43 | Shirik | did wowwiki delete my username? |
| 19:10.44 | Ackis | Shirik: vandalize me! |
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| 19:11.53 | Shirik | nm found it |
| 19:13.08 | Fisker | been a while since you last used it then bam |
| 19:13.34 | Ackis | Fisker: vandalize me! |
| 19:13.42 | Shirik | Ackis: Done, for some definition of vandalizing |
| 19:13.51 | Fisker | i'd vandalize you all night |
| 19:13.55 | Dagmar | Transclution is effing WIN an |
| 19:13.59 | Dagmar | s/an/man/; |
| 19:14.14 | Ackis | Shirik: lulz |
| 19:14.15 | Dagmar | eff it. Not enough caffiene in me to do proper spelling today |
| 19:14.38 | zenzelezz | Transclution? |
| 19:14.38 | mikma | http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h179/skaffaha/bestengine.jpg |
| 19:14.42 | Dagmar | Shirik: Frankly I think the docs make it sound more complex than it is |
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| 19:14.49 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Transclusion actually. |
| 19:14.54 | Shirik | docs for what? |
| 19:14.58 | Dagmar | Templates |
| 19:15.00 | Ackis | lol mikma |
| 19:15.01 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 19:15.04 | Shirik | but I mean, look at this |
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| 19:15.42 | Shirik | Something I wrote recently: ==={{#if:{{#pos:{{{1|Username}}}|{{!(}}{{!(}}User:}}}}|{{#sub:{{1|Username}}|{{#pos:{{{1|Username}}}|{{!(}}{{!(}}User:}}}}+7|{{#pos:{{{1|Username}}}|{{!)}}|{{#pos:{{{1|Username}}}|{{!(}}{{!(}}User:}}}}}}-1}}|{{{1|Username}}}}}=== |
| 19:15.45 | Shirik | And that was simple |
| 19:15.47 | Shirik | it actually got a lot worse |
| 19:15.51 | Dagmar | I was fairly intimidated by it after reading the docs, and then months later I just started tearing into the ones on WowWiki and Wp and was more than a little put off to see how simple it is |
| 19:15.55 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/424422641 |
| 19:16.04 | Dagmar | Shirik: I blame the person who wrote that for not making an attempt at making it human-readable |
| 19:16.05 | Ackis | Shirik: it's shit like that why I like whitespace :P |
| 19:16.17 | Shirik | Dagmar: No other option, unfortunately |
| 19:16.54 | Dagmar | They could have at least tried to put a comment in there explaining it in psuedo-code, but I'll wager they probably threw up their hands |
| 19:17.22 | Dagmar | Either that or the motherf**ker grew up coding in LISP |
| 19:17.44 | Shirik | that was me :( |
| 19:17.52 | Dagmar | chuckles. |
| 19:17.58 | Shirik | wait wait |
| 19:18.05 | Shirik | let me see if I can find the even better one |
| 19:18.39 | Dagmar | I guess looking at it it's apparently just some formatting |
| 19:18.46 | Dagmar | I suppose it's not a sin if there's really nothing ever to debug |
| 19:18.55 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shirik/Falsepositive |
| 19:18.58 | Shirik | it was deleted :( brb |
| 19:19.03 | Dagmar | hah |
| 19:19.10 | Shirik | I requested it be deleted, for good reason |
| 19:19.19 | Dagmar | I don't fault you. |
| 19:19.48 | Dagmar | I've seen regexps that spanned three lines at 132 columns and there was literally nothing to be done about it other than write a paragraph explaining it with an apology at the end |
| 19:20.09 | Shirik | oh I've done that before, lol |
| 19:21.33 | Shirik | lol Ackis |
| 19:21.37 | Shirik | someone took off your stub player |
| 19:22.16 | Shirik | yay undeleted |
| 19:22.17 | Shirik | ok let's see |
| 19:22.20 | Shirik | I know it's in here |
| 19:22.51 | Ackis | I'm so confused as to what just happened to my page lol |
| 19:23.06 | Ackis | you deleted stuff, coobra readded stuff |
| 19:23.12 | Ackis | will just go cross-eyeed |
| 19:23.24 | Shirik | oh yeah I remember this |
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| 19:23.29 | Shirik | ==={{#if:{{#pos:{{{1|Username}}}|{{!(}}{{!(}}User:}}}}|{{#sub:{{1|Username}}|{{#pos:{{{1|Username}}}|{{!(}}{{!(}}User:}}}}+7|{{#pos:{{{1|Username}}}|{{!)}}|{{#pos:{{{1|Username}}}|{{!(}}{{!(}}User:}}}}}-1}}|{{{1|Username}}}}}=== |
| 19:23.35 | Shirik | that was pretty pro too |
| 19:24.02 | Shirik | Or how about |
| 19:24.03 | Shirik | [[{{#replace:{{#replace:{{#replace:{{{page|Page not specified}}}|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/|}}|{{!(}}{{!(}}}}|{{)!}}{{)!}}}}]] ({{plainlinks|URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchTitle={{urlencode:{{#replace:{{#replace:{{#replace:{{{page|Page not specified}}}|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/|}}|{{!(}}{{!(}}}}|{{)!}}{{)!}}}}}}|NAME=filter log}}) |
| 19:24.11 | ZorbaTHut | bulk production is so annoying in WoW :( |
| 19:25.29 | Ackis | Shirik: did you just get reverted? |
| 19:25.37 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 19:25.58 | Shirik | he just took out the {{player stub}} |
| 19:26.13 | Ackis | oh i lost my player stub |
| 19:26.15 | Shirik | {{Stub/Player}} whatever crazy formatting you guys use on wowwiki |
| 19:26.32 | Shirik | If you're going to do that why not make it {{Stub|Player}} |
| 19:26.46 | Shirik | {{/{{{1}}}}} |
| 19:30.19 | foxlit | Shirik: why bother? |
| 19:30.33 | Shirik | forward compatibility |
| 19:30.50 | foxlit | I don't see that. |
| 19:30.52 | Shirik | it's easier to change how it reacts if it's a parameter than a different page entirely |
| 19:31.06 | Shirik | don't get me wrong, wikipedia does it the same way |
| 19:31.09 | Shirik | I just think it's a bad idea |
| 19:31.24 | foxlit | Plus you pull one meta-template into every stub-tagged page for no reason. |
| 19:31.36 | Shirik | that's the beauty of it |
| 19:31.46 | Shirik | {{/{{{1}}}}[[Category:Stubs]] |
| 19:31.57 | Shirik | Instantly every stub is categorized correctly |
| 19:32.06 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 19:32.09 | Dagmar | That one's purty |
| 19:32.21 | Ackis | oh you're still talking wiki stuff Shirik? I thought we moved on to emoticons |
| 19:32.24 | foxlit | /{{{1}}} inserts its own cat |
| 19:32.30 | foxlit | And that cat will be a child of the stubs cat. |
| 19:32.34 | Shirik | Of course, more correctly it's {{/{{{1}}}}}<includeonly>[[Category:Stubs]]</includeonly> |
| 19:32.35 | Ackis | ^_______^ <--- whale |
| 19:32.40 | foxlit | Every stub *is* categorized correctly. |
| 19:32.50 | Shirik | but this is about thinking forward |
| 19:32.54 | Shirik | what ifs |
| 19:33.04 | foxlit | what if what? |
| 19:33.13 | Shirik | How am I supposed to know, I'm not a mind reader! |
| 19:33.26 | foxlit | What if a giant asteroid lands on wikias servers? |
| 19:33.28 | Shirik | If you can predict software changes before they're needed, you could make billions of dollars in the software industry |
| 19:33.40 | Dagmar | Not necessarily |
| 19:33.45 | foxlit | If you design software around changes that are not needed, you're wasting billions of dollars now. |
| 19:33.54 | Shirik | how wasting? |
| 19:33.58 | Dagmar | Pretty much any jackass on the street can safely predict "Windows 7 will need SP1" |
| 19:34.36 | foxlit | Shirik: costs of implementing and supporting things you don't need. |
| 19:34.45 | Adys | Ackis: ^…………………^ |
| 19:34.47 | Adys | Whale. |
| 19:34.51 | Dagmar | foxlit: The time to plan for not paintig yourself into a corner is when you pick up the brush--not when the room is half-painted already |
| 19:34.59 | Shirik | there's a difference between "don't need" and "have a reason to believe will be needed, but isn't yet needed" |
| 19:35.07 | krka | no |
| 19:35.13 | foxlit | Then the answer to "what if what" isn't "I don't know" |
| 19:35.16 | krka | you're not agile :/ |
| 19:35.28 | Shirik | agile doesn't mean "just throw it together" :P |
| 19:35.31 | Dagmar | Heh. CNN is about to air _another_ story on ChatRoulette. |
| 19:35.33 | krka | nope |
| 19:35.38 | Dagmar | Those people just don't learn. |
| 19:35.38 | krka | i never claimed it did |
| 19:35.44 | foxlit | Dagmar: CNN and social media, twitting in a tree. |
| 19:35.52 | Dagmar | foxlit: Pretty much |
| 19:35.54 | Ackis | Dagmar: I saw a pic of chatroullete where two cats were on the web-cams... I luled |
| 19:36.13 | foxlit | Loremaster of Kalimdor: 666 / 700 |
| 19:36.15 | Shirik | design for maintainability! |
| 19:36.19 | foxlit | Sad: I can't figure out where to go next. |
| 19:36.26 | Dagmar | foxlit: It still kills me that their two interns who tested it for them... the _chick_ said she liked the site because of the "nice people" she talked to and seemed like she was probably going to go home and login to it again |
| 19:36.35 | krka | foxlit: tried EveryQuest? |
| 19:36.40 | krka | and the handins? |
| 19:36.41 | Dagmar | foxlit: The redheaded guy said he had trouble sleeping afterwards. |
| 19:36.51 | Ackis | Adys: that's a whale with it's mouth open, mine had it's mouth closed! |
| 19:36.51 | foxlit | krka: yes, but it's not quite as easy as I hoped :( |
| 19:36.55 | krka | and the item drops quests |
| 19:36.58 | krka | like the chickens |
| 19:37.04 | foxlit | krka: EQ seems to pick up on unobtainable quests |
| 19:37.09 | foxlit | and presentation sucks. |
| 19:37.17 | krka | yeah, you need to filter out a lot manually in EQ |
| 19:37.33 | nevcairiel | EQ is just a plain dump from wowhead quests |
| 19:37.37 | foxlit | Plus I don't think it has any clue as to what counts for Loremaster and what does not |
| 19:38.20 | nevcairiel | alliance or horde anyway? |
| 19:38.37 | foxlit | alliance |
| 19:38.51 | nevcairiel | there are some quests in STV that send you over to kalimdor and count for there |
| 19:39.30 | nevcairiel | but seriously, 700? i did it when it was hard :D |
| 19:40.52 | foxlit | Maybe I should start collecting GetCompletedQuests dumps along with achievement counts |
| 19:41.21 | foxlit | Could probably infer what counts from there |
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| 19:42.02 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: just waiting on the budget |
| 19:42.22 | nevcairiel | yeah i know |
| 19:42.40 | nevcairiel | i hope its even higher then last month, though =) |
| 19:42.54 | zenzelezz | budget? |
| 19:43.03 | foxlit | curse points |
| 19:43.50 | foxlit | I wonder if it makes sense to be insidious and write lots of small plug-ins to your main addon. |
| 19:44.08 | nevcairiel | in theory, sure |
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| 19:47.11 | Kaelten | foxlit: depends |
| 19:47.24 | Kaelten | if it's blatent abuse it could cause the addon to get blacklisted |
| 19:51.31 | Dagmar | "This addon adds support for the letter 'F'. You should have already installed the addons for A-G, and may need additional addons depending on how much of the alphabet your playstyle uses." |
| 19:52.00 | Fisker | hey Dagmar |
| 19:52.12 | Fisker | GTX480 > HD5870 |
| 19:52.32 | ZorbaTHut | questhelper will be split into 26 separate addons depending on what letter of the alphabet your quest starts with |
| 19:52.34 | Dagmar | cheese > sausage. |
| 19:52.36 | Dagmar | Your point? |
| 19:52.47 | Fisker | no |
| 19:52.51 | Ackis | LibZorbaTHut |
| 19:52.52 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: level-based splits might make more sense |
| 19:52.53 | Fisker | GTX480 is a sausage |
| 19:52.55 | Dagmar | Are thos video cards or something? |
| 19:53.01 | Fisker | yes |
| 19:53.05 | Fisker | keep your filthy cheese to yourself |
| 19:53.13 | foxlit | There's no reason to have data for wotlk quests if you haven't bought bc |
| 19:53.18 | Fisker | i'm so gonna GTX480 in 23 days |
| 19:53.20 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, but then people won't have to download and install every addon |
| 19:53.50 | ZorbaTHut | actually I think I'll split it into 100 addons depending on the hash of the item or quest number |
| 19:53.52 | foxlit | But that's where your "QuestHelper Ultimate Super Plus" addon pack comes into play |
| 19:54.06 | ZorbaTHut | if you're trying to do a quest that requires an item in a different hash, you'll need that addon as well, of course |
| 19:54.09 | Dagmar | Fisker: I don't generally give a damn about ATI cards because clearly they don't give much of a damn about linux |
| 19:54.24 | Dagmar | You don't really have to "sell" me on an nVidia card for that reason |
| 19:54.49 | Shirik | quest ID % 20 is a good hash function imo |
| 19:55.07 | Dagmar | Shirik: That's a joke, right |
| 19:55.08 | Shirik | that way when doing chains, you just have to swap out pack 1 for pack 2 |
| 19:55.09 | Shirik | then 2 for 3 |
| 19:55.09 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, but that's not cryptographically secure |
| 19:55.11 | Shirik | then 3 for 4 |
| 19:55.18 | ZorbaTHut | security is important you know |
| 19:55.38 | Dagmar | I wouldn't use it for crypto purposes, but SURELY we can try a LITTLE harder than just mod 20 |
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| 19:56.30 | foxlit | Zorba can just use hit 30gb of data to ensure that no two quests you may want to do at the same time are in the same pack |
| 19:56.33 | foxlit | *s |
| 19:56.45 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'll call it "load balancing" |
| 19:56.49 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:56.52 | ZorbaTHut | wouldn't want to overstress one particular addon, of course |
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| 19:59.28 | Fisker | bah |
| 19:59.55 | Fisker | anyone remember the name of that recent movie about some space mission where some guys wake up of stasis to find out that they had crashlanded in the water at their target location? |
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| 20:02.17 | ogreinside | can anybody suggest a "wow dev environment" I could test a LUA addon under Linux without running WoW (so I can dev this on an airplane, etc)? I already have lua installed, so I can test syntax, but don't have access to Blizzard's API for chat and other things. |
| 20:03.30 | ZorbaTHut | ogre, pretty much everyone just uses WoW itself |
| 20:03.46 | Maldivia | there was something like that at one point, don't know if its still being maintained |
| 20:03.55 | nevcairiel | its not |
| 20:03.59 | ZorbaTHut | if you're planning on doing non-API stuff you can probably figure out how to isolate your code on your own. if you're leaning on WoW API, there's not really any other option at the moment. |
| 20:04.02 | Fisker | answer me! |
| 20:04.03 | ogreinside | ok that's what I thought |
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| 20:05.17 | Maldivia | Fisker - never! |
| 20:09.48 | Ackis | hey Fisker |
| 20:09.48 | ZorbaTHut | stupid 30-second crafting time items :( |
| 20:09.51 | Ackis | are you part of the UK? |
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| 20:10.53 | ZorbaTHut | gonna take almost 20 minutes to finish this crafting :/ |
| 20:11.06 | Ackis | write a bot to do it for you |
| 20:11.10 | Ackis | G15 macro? |
| 20:11.19 | ZorbaTHut | no, it's not even that |
| 20:11.23 | ZorbaTHut | I hit "process" |
| 20:11.32 | ZorbaTHut | it sits for 20 minutes working |
| 20:11.34 | Dagmar | Just a matter of waiting for a large freaking pile to be created |
| 20:11.50 | ZorbaTHut | it's just ridiculously slow because blizzard has seen fit to make this item take 30 seconds to craft per piece. |
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| 20:17.09 | Fisker | i am the UK Ackis |
| 20:18.36 | Shirik | I think I might be a computer |
| 20:18.38 | Shirik | or cyborg |
| 20:18.50 | Shirik | a lot of people complain about seeing spots before their eyes |
| 20:19.14 | Shirik | I just saw lines instead of spots, sorta like my refresh rate was off |
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| 20:19.31 | Shirik | I think I'm also losing my mind |
| 20:22.35 | Mr_Rabies | video card is broken, see doctor soon |
| 20:23.08 | Mr_Rabies | i seriously don't know how long ago that conversation was with shirik i'm using a bnc laffo |
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| 20:27.22 | NeoTron | man crafting in Aion make crafting in WoW seem like it was done on fast forward |
| 20:27.30 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/12730485524-no-more-voa-pugs.html |
| 20:27.54 | Kraps | NeoTron: is aion good? |
| 20:28.26 | NeoTron | imho no |
| 20:28.34 | NeoTron | I played it for a bit, got to level 20 |
| 20:28.53 | NeoTron | it's a grind fest and i the areas I was at least, it felt much more like game on rails than wow |
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| 20:29.13 | NeoTron | extremely grinding in all aspects, with western standards |
| 20:30.12 | Dagmar | ....and an Eastern attitude towards botting and farmers |
| 20:30.32 | Taroven | I didn't mind Aion's combat too much, was actually rather fun (least, for a couple classes I played), but eh. It couldn't keep my attention. |
| 20:30.38 | Dagmar | Neotron: You didn't like spending six hours running back and forth along the exact same dirt track in the woods? |
| 20:30.50 | Ackis | SWG crafting was fun, EQ2 crafting at the start made me want to kill myself, wow crafting is trivial |
| 20:30.52 | NeoTron | omfg that was annoying. every day you logged in you needed to ignore like 10 people literally spamming all public channels |
| 20:31.43 | Dagmar | Ackis: You know you could actually assassinate newbs with crafting, right? |
| 20:31.51 | Dagmar | I thought that made it worth it. |
| 20:32.24 | Dagmar | SOME people thought it was unfair that a crafting failure might explode with enough force to harm people around you. |
| 20:32.49 | Dagmar | Last I checked you had to settle for watching careless newbies blow themselves up |
| 20:33.14 | Ackis | Dagmar: eh I didn't do it much because of all the sub components |
| 20:34.50 | Ackis | make 10 bolts to make a beltbuckle, need 10 of them to make something else, blah blah /slit |
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| 20:40.19 | Dagmar | Yeah, it involved way too much crap |
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| 20:44.51 | Lunessa | Honestly, you could take crafting out of the game entirely, and it wouldn't make a huge difference (and I say this as a person who has every crafting profession maxed out). |
| 20:45.32 | NeoTron | SWG crafting mattered and had depth. Main weakness was that in many cases it had too much depth |
| 20:45.47 | Maldivia | SWG crafting was fun |
| 20:45.49 | NeoTron | I like quality of items and such but I think they went too far with excessive number of subtypes of the materials |
| 20:45.58 | Lunessa | Sony Games crafting is ... overkill for a game. |
| 20:46.16 | NeoTron | except SWG |
| 20:46.30 | NeoTron | the gathering/crafting was fun and meaningful |
| 20:46.31 | Maldivia | well, for a game like SWG, where everything was user made, crafting has to be deep |
| 20:46.36 | Lunessa | Especially when the focus of the game is generally to go beat shit up and take its lunch money. |
| 20:47.06 | NeoTron | Maldivia: true but that doesn't mean a game with other means of aquiring items has to be incredibly shallow |
| 20:47.16 | Maldivia | true |
| 20:47.23 | NeoTron | I like the idea of getting rare components that you use to craft as a way to give item "looted" gear |
| 20:47.26 | NeoTron | or as a "booster" |
| 20:47.29 | Maldivia | well, I loved SWG - was an armorsmith :) |
| 20:48.01 | Ackis | I had a Droid Engineer, crafting sucked |
| 20:48.23 | NeoTron | in my 2 years of SWG I was a doctor (my top profession really - I was one of the top docs on Starsider), architect and a master creator of crafting tools/stations |
| 20:48.28 | Maldivia | but crafting was really a community thing in SWG, having scouts out to scout for new resources etc |
| 20:48.36 | NeoTron | Ackis: DE sucked yes. mainly it was broken beyond shit |
| 20:48.45 | Maldivia | well, armorsmith on one account, CM on another :) |
| 20:48.56 | Fisker | i want to be with you Ackis |
| 20:48.58 | Ackis | To be a successful DE, I also had to be a Master Artisan =/ |
| 20:49.40 | NeoTron | I wonder if it's viable to make a sandbox game like SWG but not have it suck |
| 20:49.57 | Maldivia | anyway, anyone here Win7 gurus - especially in regards to the tcp stack? |
| 20:49.59 | Ackis | player cities blew |
| 20:50.13 | NeoTron | I think a bit smaller scope might make sense but the whole community building (actual houses/player cities) is not something I've seen in any other mmo |
| 20:50.21 | NeoTron | Ackis: hell no :P |
| 20:50.47 | Ackis | I liked how they did player houses/etc in EQ2 versus SWG |
| 20:50.55 | foxlit | teehee |
| 20:51.02 | foxlit | MSDN offered to "upgrade my internet experience" |
| 20:51.05 | foxlit | By installing IE8 |
| 20:51.15 | NeoTron | Ackis: I like actual physical locations |
| 20:51.35 | NeoTron | not just some apartment (which is how eq works isn't it?) |
| 20:51.41 | Ackis | yup |
| 20:51.52 | Ackis | but they have locations that are shared as well you could get |
| 20:52.01 | NeoTron | mind you that'd be a hell of a lot better than wow |
| 20:52.01 | foxlit | (the punchline is that I'm on a mac) |
| 20:52.04 | NeoTron | which has nothing |
| 20:52.21 | NeoTron | I mean it's no secret that WoW is extremely shallow in many areas |
| 20:52.30 | Lunessa | Maldivia: It depends on what you need to know. |
| 20:52.31 | NeoTron | what's there typically works quite well and all |
| 20:53.02 | Maldivia | Lunessa: for some reason my tcp in win7 is only reaches about 60% of my max potential of my line |
| 20:53.40 | Lunessa | up or down stream? |
| 20:53.43 | Maldivia | Lunessa: installed bsd on a virtual machine on win, and capped the line from a freebsd mirror |
| 20:53.46 | Maldivia | Lunessa: down |
| 20:53.46 | nevcairiel | i don't have that problem, can transfer stuff with full 100mbit between systems |
| 20:53.56 | Dagmar | NeoTron: To call it an "efficiency" apartment would get you into some trouble I think |
| 20:54.16 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: dont have any issues with udp for transfering files over the network, only tcp |
| 20:55.08 | Dagmar | WTF uses udp for that |
| 20:55.09 | Lunessa | Maldivia: http://www.speedguide.net/downloads.php |
| 20:55.40 | Maldivia | Dagmar: windows file share uses udp for the datagrams, and tcp for negotiation etc |
| 20:55.44 | Dagmar | Sounds like you should re-enable Nagle's algorithm or something |
| 20:55.49 | Ackis | http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/how-to-win-at-chat-roulette |
| 20:55.53 | Dagmar | You're just lucky then. |
| 20:56.08 | nevcairiel | yeah it could be disabled nagle, if you turned that off |
| 20:56.11 | Dagmar | I have gotten used to Windows filesharing sucking based on the phase of the moon and or color of the files being transferred |
| 20:56.25 | Lunessa | Maldivia: Specifically - http://www.speedguide.net/read_articles.php?id=2574 |
| 20:56.28 | nevcairiel | win file sharing works really fine between two win7 hosts |
| 20:56.39 | Dagmar | Samba to Samba I can saturate fast ethernet |
| 20:56.40 | nevcairiel | not so much with earlier versions :P |
| 20:56.54 | Dagmar | Yeah, XP to 7 or 7 to Samba or Xp to Samba is questionable |
| 20:57.08 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: can transfer files between my macbook and desktop(win7) at about 50MByte/sec |
| 20:58.14 | nevcairiel | is that good or bad? |
| 20:58.14 | foxlit | Maldivia: wtb! |
| 20:58.25 | Dagmar | It could be higher |
| 20:58.26 | foxlit | My mac pulling from win7 speeds are atrocious. |
| 20:58.37 | foxlit | We're talking single-digit mbps here |
| 20:59.06 | Dagmar | foxlit: Win7 seems to have a serious penchant for lagging transfers based on CPU load |
| 20:59.27 | foxlit | "0 of 2.24 GB - About 29 minutes" |
| 20:59.37 | Dagmar | I can start a filecopy that will be almost saturating the wire, then fire up say... WoW, and alt-tab back out to see that the transfer speed is now less than half what it was |
| 20:59.45 | Dagmar | ...and killing WoW won't even make it speed up again. |
| 21:00.34 | Maldivia | Dagmar: and you're sure it's not the QoS kicking in? |
| 21:01.21 | Maldivia | Lunessa: tried a lot of those settings, but not all of them - guess it's time to start rebooting again :) |
| 21:01.50 | Lunessa | Maldivia: Good luck and stay thirsty my friend. |
| 21:01.52 | Dagmar | Maldivia: I'm pretty sure it *is* the QoS kicking in. It's just pretty dimwitted about never raising the limit again |
| 21:02.24 | Shadowed | !ping |
| 21:02.25 | batbot | Shadowed: pong! |
| 21:02.26 | Dagmar | It's also being hyper-sensitive about it. My machine is definitely fast enough to manage that filecopy |
| 21:02.36 | Maldivia | Lunessa: never really noticed an issue, until my ISP trippled my speed a few days ago :) |
| 21:02.55 | Lunessa | You and your fat pipe. |
| 21:03.00 | Shadowed | Blast where is this thing highlighting |
| 21:03.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Shadowed (~Shadowed@li53-10.members.linode.com) |
| 21:03.17 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shadowed] by ChanServ |
| 21:03.29 | Shadowed | !ping |
| 21:03.29 | batbot | Shadowed: pong! |
| 21:03.31 | Lunessa | The only thing I ever really need it for is video streaming... and I'm barely using much capacity doing that. |
| 21:03.33 | Shadowed | bah |
| 21:04.00 | Maldivia | 1080 youtube streams are 5-6mbit, right? |
| 21:05.00 | tem | sigh |
| 21:05.08 | tem | why do people use rar for compression? |
| 21:05.16 | Lunessa | Maldivia: I'm mostly streaming NetFlix or Hulu.com so - flash or silverlight |
| 21:05.32 | Shadowed | tem: Same reason people rar torrents into 50 files |
| 21:06.11 | mikma | shadowed: idiotism? |
| 21:06.32 | Shadowed | correct! |
| 21:07.04 | Maldivia | Lunessa: they only do 1mbit streams or something, riht? |
| 21:07.30 | Lunessa | Something like that. Plenty for watching TV streams or a movie. |
| 21:08.02 | Lunessa | And since no one else is sucking on my internet pipe, I'm hardly denting the capacity. |
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| 21:09.24 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 21:09.29 | Maldivia | heh |
| 21:14.45 | Dagmar | It's not idiotism, we've been over this before. |
| 21:15.10 | Dagmar | Scene traders have an entirely different set of data retention goals than you leeches |
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| 21:21.14 | Lunessa | I should totally seed with like only half of something people really really want, then take my connection off-line randomly for weeks on end. |
| 21:21.35 | Kaso | Is there a "correct" way to get the name of the Unit or node you are currently looting? |
| 21:21.40 | Kaso | other than just your target's name |
| 21:21.51 | nevcairiel | i dont think so |
| 21:22.05 | nevcairiel | but you have to have the unit targeted, dont you? |
| 21:22.19 | Kaso | i thought you auto-target the mob you loot |
| 21:22.30 | foxlit | nevcairiel: there are, unfortunately, lag effects |
| 21:22.43 | foxlit | You could well target the mob, then detarget, and only then will the auto-loot events fire. |
| 21:23.15 | Dagmar | Lunessa: You would *sooo* not be the first. Heh |
| 21:23.23 | Kaso | yah i remeber that being a problem in the old days, thottbot et al would often have random mobs near chests as having the chestloot |
| 21:23.34 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I know. :P |
| 21:25.02 | Dagmar | Lunessa: for bonus points, you send the torrent server bogus information about ports on machines you'd like to bother |
| 21:25.32 | Dagmar | For days on end, random machines around the planet will begin peppering those hosts with connections, generating endless IDS alerst |
| 21:25.34 | Maldivia | does the npc unit update for looting ? |
| 21:25.40 | Kaso | ill check that |
| 21:25.43 | Dagmar | s/alerst/alerts/; |
| 21:25.47 | Lunessa | Dagmar: and perhaps make sure my files are infected. |
| 21:25.51 | Kaso | but still doesn't cover nodes etc |
| 21:26.35 | Maldivia | Lunessa: no luck with the setings from that site :( |
| 21:26.45 | foxlit | Dagmar: are we faking source IP at the same time? |
| 21:27.07 | Lunessa | Sorry Maldivia. |
| 21:27.22 | Dagmar | foxlit: You don't really have to. You can tell the torrent servers a whole lot of nonsense |
| 21:27.42 | Kaso | wasnt there a study a while back where they managed to get copyright infringement notices to print servers etc by faking source ips to torrent servers |
| 21:28.04 | Dagmar | This is just yet another variation on trusting clients being given bogus information to entice people who are looking for porn to make connections to other machines for you |
| 21:29.44 | Maldivia | Dagmar: program a bot net, that reacts to bit torrent handshaking, and feed the bot ips to trackers for popular torrents ? |
| 21:29.59 | Dagmar | Back in "the day" you could go onto EFNet into #XXXpics and type say... /quote PRIVMSG #XXXpics :^ADCC SEND hotsaunagirls.jpg 783832(ip_as_longint)32472 849234 824^A and within minutes, dozens of chronic masturbators will click "accept" and begin peppering some server of your choosing with TCP connections |
| 21:30.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Droolio (~drool@87-194-188-170.bethere.co.uk) |
| 21:30.30 | Dagmar | The only difference with partially bogus torrent information is in the number of times each client may or may not take a shot at connecting there |
| 21:31.26 | zenzelezz | was that specifically EFNet, or other IRC networks also? |
| 21:31.37 | Maldivia | all the major nets |
| 21:31.43 | Shadowed | I'd imagine it works with any IRC network, EFNet just had the large userbase |
| 21:31.47 | Lopeppeppy | Ingenuity test!! How do I open a bottle of strawberry quick if I can't get the top off? |
| 21:31.54 | Shadowed | Lopeppeppy: smash it |
| 21:32.04 | Shadowed | Run it under warm water yet? |
| 21:32.25 | Maldivia | I usuall use twist a buttering knife to pop the seal |
| 21:32.26 | Lopeppeppy | It's not stuck. I only have one hand, no leverage. |
| 21:32.31 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 21:32.38 | Lopeppeppy | I'm considering a hacksaw. |
| 21:32.38 | Maldivia | can opener! |
| 21:32.39 | Shadowed | Sit down, hold it between your knees? |
| 21:32.49 | zenzelezz | see, if I'd said that you'd all think I was being a pervert again |
| 21:32.50 | Shadowed | well, legs technically but still |
| 21:32.51 | Lopeppeppy | Tried that, Shadowed! |
| 21:32.58 | foxlit | "With all due respect, your Highness, we can do this alone." |
| 21:33.04 | Shadowed | Lopeppeppy: Neighbors? |
| 21:33.05 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: ask the neigbour? |
| 21:33.15 | Lopeppeppy | I want this strawberry quick naow!!!!!! |
| 21:33.21 | Shadowed | Lopeppeppy: smash it |
| 21:33.24 | Lopeppeppy | (neighbor isn't home, I did go over!) |
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| 21:33.34 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 21:33.34 | Shadowed | mmm |
| 21:33.47 | Shadowed | Do you have something sharp and pointy? You could try pricking the lid to pop the seal |
| 21:33.50 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: lick the edge, hope some of it spilled on the side the last time you had some |
| 21:34.03 | Lopeppeppy | meanie, maldivia! It's a single-serve bottle. |
| 21:34.24 | zenzelezz | glass? |
| 21:35.05 | Fisker | there Ackis |
| 21:35.16 | Fisker | Ubisoft's DRM fully cracked by SKiDROW |
| 21:35.18 | Maldivia | go to chat roulette, and click next till someone givs you the answer :P |
| 21:35.18 | Ackis | ? |
| 21:35.18 | Lopeppeppy | plastic |
| 21:35.20 | Fisker | in Silent Hunter 5 |
| 21:35.21 | Fisker | S K i D R O W |
| 21:35.21 | Fisker | -> T H E L E A D i N G F O R C E <- |
| 21:35.21 | Fisker | proudly presents |
| 21:35.22 | Fisker | Silent Hunter 5: Battle of the Atlantic / Ubisoft |
| 21:35.22 | Fisker | RELEASE DATE : 03-03-2010 PROTECTION : Ubisoft DRM |
| 21:35.22 | Fisker | GAME TYPE : Submarine Simulation DISKS : 1 DVD |
| 21:35.22 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 21:35.30 | Shadowed | Cairenn|afk: is out at the bank, maybe if you ask nicely she'll drive over and open it Lopeppeppy |
| 21:35.35 | Shadowed | you might have to wait a while |
| 21:35.43 | NeoTron | there's a new submarine sim eh? |
| 21:35.48 | Ackis | Shirik: make your bot mute Fisker if he says more than 2 lines in a row please :) |
| 21:35.55 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Fisker!~Shadowed@li53-10.members.linode.com] by Shadowed (Fisker) |
| 21:36.00 | Shadowed | It was the bot that did it |
| 21:36.02 | Kaso | Maldivia, npc does not update for looting |
| 21:36.06 | Shadowed | allllll the bot |
| 21:36.08 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: too hard plastic to convince a scissor to cut? |
| 21:36.09 | Ackis | ~Shadowed++ |
| 21:36.17 | NeoTron | speaking of fisker, I thought he didn't pirate games? (such as ME2) |
| 21:36.24 | Shadowed | I would think it's hard to cut the plastic with one hand zenzelezz |
| 21:36.28 | Maldivia | Kaso: bugger, was worth a shot though :) |
| 21:36.37 | zenzelezz | Shadowed: this is why I'm asking if it's hard or soft |
| 21:36.47 | Shadowed | Lopeppeppy: Not sure how big it is, but you might be able to sit on it to get more leverage? |
| 21:36.53 | Shadowed | although that might break it then |
| 21:36.57 | Shadowed | Yea don't do that |
| 21:37.05 | zenzelezz | <zenzelezz> Shadowed: this is why I'm asking if it's hard or soft <Shadowed> Lopeppeppy: Not sure how big it is, but you might be able to sit on it to get more leverage? <-- topic |
| 21:37.07 | Kaso | wowhead etc must have some way of doing this |
| 21:37.18 | Maldivia | Kaso: then track mouseover, and assume the last thing mouseovereed before the event, was the thing being harvested/looted |
| 21:37.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker (brb@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 21:37.23 | Shadowed | Hello Fisker! |
| 21:37.24 | Fisker | why would you kick me Shadowed ? |
| 21:37.25 | Kaso | yah, that makes sense |
| 21:37.30 | Shadowed | Fisker: I didn't, it was the bot |
| 21:37.37 | foxlit | still won't account for latency |
| 21:37.41 | Fisker | i disagree Shadowed |
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| 21:37.47 | Shadowed | Fisker: it was Ackis |
| 21:37.50 | Shadowed | allllll himmm |
| 21:38.01 | foxlit | Can loot multiple things in the time it takes for any loot to process; good luck figuring out what came from where |
| 21:38.01 | Kaso | increases my overhead alot though (from onevent to onupdate) |
| 21:38.10 | Shadowed | Kaso: what are you doing? |
| 21:38.19 | Ackis | Fisker: sorry for kicking you |
| 21:38.23 | Shadowed | Fisker: we still love you |
| 21:38.27 | Maldivia | Kaso ther'es an even for when mouseover changes |
| 21:38.33 | Kaso | oh there is? |
| 21:38.34 | Shadowed | Oh, Kaso: Are you just trying to record whats looted from an herb node? |
| 21:38.51 | Kaso | no its for raid loot |
| 21:39.07 | Kaso | i just want to know if we're looting deathbringer or gunship or something |
| 21:39.11 | Shadowed | Well what were you trying to do specifically? :P |
| 21:39.13 | Shadowed | That's it? |
| 21:39.31 | Maldivia | kaso: just just "last boss mob mouseovered/selected" :P |
| 21:39.42 | Kaso | saving it for guild loot purposes Shadowed |
| 21:40.17 | Shadowed | Kaso: Use UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT, UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED, UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED. If you see "Opening" and a LOOT_OPENED within ~0.50 seconds, you know they opened an object. You can get the object name from SPELLCAST_SENT |
| 21:40.25 | Shadowed | Otherwise, check target |
| 21:40.49 | Kaso | cool |
| 21:40.55 | Kaso | ill check that out ;p |
| 21:41.26 | Maldivia | Kaso: and if only interested in boss loot, you can always filter out mobs that are not classified as bosses |
| 21:41.50 | Dagmar | Just as long as they don't drop soul shards |
| 21:41.55 | Fisker | Ubisoft = http://www.sadtrombone.com/ |
| 21:42.18 | Shadowed | http://github.com/Shadowed/MMOC_Recorder/blob/master/MMOC_Recorder.lua#L823 might be a bit more useful to you Kaso in terms of code for recording loot |
| 21:42.39 | Maldivia | Kaso, or if you dont care for future instances, check subzone name :P |
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| 21:43.09 | Kaso | futureproofing is always nice |
| 21:44.14 | Maldivia | personally I use a combination of subzone and last mouseovered/targeted boss to determine the drops |
| 21:44.28 | nevcairiel | for bosses that works |
| 21:44.48 | Maldivia | well, we move trash drops to next boss, so :P |
| 21:47.43 | Kaso | ill look at that code shadowed |
| 21:50.24 | Shadowed | Not sure how useful it'll be, since that's setup for recording everything but! |
