| 00:00.31 | ZorbaTHut | if you don't want to make cool stuff, it's the wrong place. if you do want to make cool stuff, yeah, you might end up working pretty hard if you get on a team that you're excited about :) |
| 00:00.35 | Kaso | Anyone been on the PTRs know how much honor marks of av, etc are tradable for? |
| 00:00.55 | eidolarr | would you say it's stable? compared to like, MS? |
| 00:01.44 | ZorbaTHut | what do you mean by stable? like, not going out of business anytime soon? |
| 00:01.46 | eidolarr | i mean obviously they're not going out of business |
| 00:01.59 | eidolarr | but microsoft is really good at career progression |
| 00:02.25 | ZorbaTHut | I ran into trouble with career progression. that said, I was in a weird position in the first place, and that might have been a problem (no college education) |
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| 00:04.20 | eidolarr | how did you get hired in the first place without a degree? i hear even their hr people have to have degrees |
| 00:06.43 | ZorbaTHut | I was a world-class competitive programmer and competed at a Google Code Jam. They hired a lot of people off GCJ and Topcoder. |
| 00:06.59 | eidolarr | oh nice |
| 00:07.17 | ZorbaTHut | it was a lot of fun :) |
| 00:07.21 | eidolarr | i tried competition programming but couldn't get into it |
| 00:07.48 | eidolarr | although it was the night of my homework due day so i was sleep deprived |
| 00:08.01 | WobWork | actually, I've found that to be true |
| 00:08.18 | WobWork | if you don't have a degree, you -will- have issues later on in life with getting a job |
| 00:08.19 | eidolarr | found what? |
| 00:08.27 | WobWork | even if you get a good job to start with, like Zorba did |
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| 00:08.39 | WobWork | chances are you'll not stay in that job forever |
| 00:08.42 | eidolarr | have you ever thought of going back to grab a degree somewhere real quick? |
| 00:09.18 | Esamynn | DWSR: short tracker? |
| 00:09.20 | WobWork | and afterwards, you'll run into problems. It happened to a friend of mine, he's been working for IBM for the last 8 years mostly, being shifted around from dept to dept |
| 00:09.21 | ZorbaTHut | wob, sure, but that's the point where you start using your previous jobs as evidence that you know your shit |
| 00:09.43 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: that's if you get past the first screening |
| 00:09.55 | WobWork | most people filter out on degrees at first pass |
| 00:10.02 | WobWork | even if you did work for google |
| 00:10.06 | ZorbaTHut | if a company refuses to hire me because of an automated filter, I don't want to work there anyway :P |
| 00:10.24 | WobWork | for a specific job, you're better off having your previous employer suggest you directly initially |
| 00:11.00 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: that may be true, but with the number of resumes companies have to go through... |
| 00:11.13 | WobWork | and recruiters are terrible blights upon humanity =P |
| 00:14.13 | ZorbaTHut | argh luajit is crashing |
| 00:14.15 | ZorbaTHut | that is not encouraging |
| 00:23.11 | DJJeff | w000000000000000000000000t |
| 00:23.21 | DJJeff | media2 and media3 are working now |
| 00:23.29 | DJJeff | CC V4 is back up :) |
| 00:30.04 | DJJeff | wow its rather quiet in here |
| 00:39.07 | Jerub | man i hate rage. |
| 00:39.12 | Jerub | i feel like levelling a pally tank instead |
| 00:41.19 | Lopeppeppy | you'd just hate mana |
| 00:41.54 | Jerub | Lopeppeppy: nah, at least with mana you can wait a bit or eat some food |
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| 00:42.10 | Jerub | or use one of those things causes you to regenerate mana in combat |
| 00:42.21 | Jerub | but rage tanking fills me with ... well yeah. rage. |
| 00:42.24 | Jerub | also, NPCScan FTW |
| 00:42.33 | Lopeppeppy | rage potions |
| 00:42.54 | Jerub | i got gear upgrades for my mage by farming rare mobs :) |
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| 00:45.25 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: what degree level? |
| 00:46.06 | ZorbaTHut | rage is really awful :P |
| 00:46.19 | ZorbaTHut | I tank on my DK as well. runes are just so joyful compared to rage |
| 00:46.44 | Jerub | my dk is at 60 |
| 00:46.54 | Jerub | i'm not sure if i could deal with being "That DK Tank" |
| 00:47.08 | ZorbaTHut | pfft, get a tank spec and you're already better than most |
| 00:47.15 | ZorbaTHut | I'm tanking in leather heirloom gear, it's awesome :D |
| 00:50.34 | Jerub | i guess :) |
| 00:53.34 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Runes + Runic power is so much better than rage. |
| 00:55.10 | DWSR | Especially with shit like Runic Refresh (or whatever it is) |
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| 00:55.58 | ZorbaTHut | the entire warrior class needs a significant overhaul, but I suspect it won't be getting it in cataclysm :/ |
| 00:57.00 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yeah. Warriors are probably the only class I would say is more broken than warlocks. |
| 00:57.07 | Jerub | i find the dk stuff to be terribly confusing |
| 00:57.15 | Jerub | but at the same time i'm told it's terribly simple. |
| 00:57.15 | DWSR | Jerub: It's actually very easy. |
| 00:57.22 | Jerub | however! I have worked out why it's so easy. |
| 00:57.26 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/chickam2008 chickens hatching! :D |
| 00:57.30 | ZorbaTHut | the DK stuff is definitely complex |
| 00:57.36 | Jerub | there are so many interrlated abilities and cooldowns there's always a button to hit and you can't go wrong. |
| 00:57.48 | ZorbaTHut | the basic idea is to keep as many runes on cooldown as possible, and when you don't have spare runes, burn your runic power |
| 00:57.50 | DWSR | Jerub: Basically, your spec determines which runes that you use on a regular basis. The other type of runes you convert to Death Runes via some talent and then use them as your spec's main rune. |
| 00:58.09 | ZorbaTHut | if you don't have spare runes or runic power, mash Horn of Winter. |
| 00:58.13 | DWSR | Jerub: After that, faceroll and keep everything on cooldown as much as possible. |
| 00:58.49 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Meh, just tanking gives you a full runic bar like every other hit, even in heroics. |
| 00:59.05 | DWSR | Jerub: If you spec frost tank, you can pretty much roll face. |
| 00:59.10 | DWSR | D&D, HB, win. |
| 00:59.17 | DWSR | If something gets away, DG/Taunt/HG. |
| 00:59.21 | DWSR | srsly. |
| 00:59.45 | ZorbaTHut | I'm playing a blood tank spec that doesn't use death runes, but it's pretty similar overall. heart strike when blood is up, reapply diseases if they're gone, death strike otherwise |
| 01:00.24 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: If you're a DPS blood spec, you get death runes all the time. |
| 01:00.35 | DWSR | Tanking you can also tweak your spec as well to get them, iirc. |
| 01:00.47 | DWSR | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47568 <-- So much win here. |
| 01:01.07 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I took a recommended spec that didn't get them |
| 01:01.10 | ZorbaTHut | (tank, as mentioned) |
| 01:01.22 | ZorbaTHut | I actually have no idea if I should respec or not |
| 01:01.44 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Death Runes are really nice, from my experience as Frost. |
| 01:03.29 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, maybe I should be swapping to Unholy |
| 01:03.42 | ZorbaTHut | sounds like it has better AOE |
| 01:03.43 | DWSR | UH tanking blows. |
| 01:03.48 | DWSR | Frost has the best AoE threat. |
| 01:03.49 | ZorbaTHut | which is basically what all leveling dungeons are |
| 01:03.57 | ZorbaTHut | frost also requires moderately good gear, yes? |
| 01:04.01 | DWSR | Not really. |
| 01:04.10 | DWSR | It's got a bunch of mit built in. |
| 01:05.24 | DWSR | http://is.gd/9pQGn This is my spec. |
| 01:05.46 | DWSR | wait...lolwut? |
| 01:05.48 | DWSR | 0/0/0? |
| 01:06.31 | ZorbaTHut | it's bugged right now on firefox |
| 01:07.24 | ZorbaTHut | does frost 2h tanking really make sense? |
| 01:07.51 | ZorbaTHut | from what I heard, frost was all DW at this point |
| 01:08.42 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: High end, sure. |
| 01:08.46 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: But you *can* 2H it. |
| 01:09.11 | ZorbaTHut | well sure you can do DW blood tanking if you really want to make your life hard, too, but I'm talking about really effective specs :P |
| 01:09.26 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: It's effective enough. I never lose threat and I don't have serious survivability issues |
| 01:10.19 | ZorbaTHut | in fairness, you're talking about leveling instances |
| 01:10.25 | ZorbaTHut | it is possible you could do that without talent points |
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| 01:14.04 | WobWork | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/39/2010/02/500x_gaga22610.jpg |
| 01:14.11 | WobWork | lady gaga wearing Druid T10 |
| 01:17.48 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut |
| 01:17.51 | DWSR | Need some git help |
| 01:18.03 | ZorbaTHut | whatcha need? |
| 01:18.31 | DWSR | Want to either a) remove all mention of select files in the repository's history or b) remove all mention of select files in a push to a remote. |
| 01:18.38 | Fisker | omg ZorbaTHut |
| 01:18.46 | ZorbaTHut | no idea :) |
| 01:19.54 | Jerub | WobWork: that's not T10, that's the stormshroud helm from ony10 |
| 01:20.07 | Jerub | i wonder if she stood in the fire |
| 01:33.03 | Gnarfoz | <WobWork> http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/39/2010/02/500x_gaga22610.jpg < how do you even come up with shit like that |
| 01:33.10 | Shadowed | I vote for a new topic to reflect what today actually is |
| 01:33.23 | Gnarfoz | monday? |
| 01:33.42 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shadowed -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Today is now "Canadian Celebration Day" |
| 01:33.48 | Shadowed | it's Sunday still |
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| 01:42.58 | Gnarfoz | is not |
| 01:43.04 | Gnarfoz | >:3 |
| 01:43.09 | Gnarfoz | ~>:3 |
| 01:43.10 | purl | ACTION gets in the car |
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| 02:03.07 | WobWork | Gnarfoz: I has Internet skillz |
| 02:03.19 | WobWork | Gnarfoz: also weird friends |
| 02:03.30 | Gnarfoz | I was talking about her, actually |
| 02:03.38 | Gnarfoz | how does she come up with those fucked up outfits |
| 02:03.38 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 02:03.41 | DWSR | Shadowed: No it's not. |
| 02:03.44 | WobWork | oh, she does it for the lulz =) |
| 02:03.53 | Shadowed | The title says it is |
| 02:03.54 | DWSR | Anyone watching the closing ceremonies? |
| 02:03.55 | DWSR | Cairenn? ^ |
| 02:03.59 | WobWork | Cause we are not prepared =P |
| 02:04.01 | Cairenn | yes |
| 02:04.22 | DWSR | Shadowed: All week is a national holiday. |
| 02:04.32 | Shadowed | Only today |
| 02:04.36 | DWSR | Pft. |
| 02:04.37 | Shadowed | Tomorrow is make fun of canadians as usual |
| 02:04.52 | Cairenn | bah, we already made fun of ourselves today |
| 02:05.00 | Cairenn | that was the start of the closing ceremonies |
| 02:05.14 | DWSR | Shadowed: Make fun of the fact that we earned the most gold medals at the olympics, the most gold medals in a winter games, the most gold medals for a host country at the winter olympics, and beat the americans at hockey? |
| 02:05.25 | Shadowed | And yet, you're still canadians |
| 02:05.50 | DWSR | Shadowed: Jealousy. |
| 02:05.58 | WobWork | (And have health care =)) |
| 02:06.05 | DWSR | ^^ |
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| 02:11.27 | DWSR | I'm always amazed at how quickly companies put out ads with the current Olympic events. |
| 02:11.45 | DWSR | Like, the Coca-Cola ad was updated within about 10 seconds of the Canadian hockey team winning. |
| 02:12.18 | kd3 | bah. I almost didn't want to log on irc tonight |
| 02:12.20 | kd3 | damn canadians |
| 02:14.42 | DWSR | Canada earns the achievement [Most Gold Medals in a Winter Olympics]! |
| 02:14.43 | DWSR | Canada earns the achievement [Most Gold Medals in a Winter Olympics by a Host Country]! |
| 02:14.43 | DWSR | Canada earns the achievement [Most Gold Medals at the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympics]! |
| 02:14.58 | kd3 | har |
| 02:15.46 | DWSR | Canada earns the achievement [Gold Medal in Men's Hocket at the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympics]! |
| 02:16.07 | Shirik | Canada did that well? |
| 02:16.16 | kd3 | yes |
| 02:16.16 | DWSR | Shirik: Yes. |
| 02:16.19 | Shirik | hm |
| 02:16.23 | kd3 | though we won in overall, like in 2008 |
| 02:16.23 | Shirik | they must have cheated |
| 02:16.52 | WobWork | DWSR: Of course they have a raft of possible ads to push out depending on winners |
| 02:17.03 | DWSR | WobWork: That's probably true |
| 02:17.37 | DWSR | Shirik: You're just jealous of our universal health care. :P |
| 02:17.39 | WobWork | They want to get the brand out saying "Well done to X for GOLD GOLD GOLD! Lots of Luv COKE" |
| 02:21.57 | DWSR | WobWork: Did you see Visa's? |
| 02:22.33 | bleeter | http://twitpic.com/15ykyr |
| 02:25.47 | WobWork | DWSR: I'm at work, and not watching any tv =) |
| 02:26.04 | WobWork | bleeter: redeeming factor: It's not written in VB |
| 02:26.17 | DWSR | WobWork: Yeah, the commercial has been on for a while. |
| 02:29.52 | alestane | Such a prize group of idiot DPS I have not seen in a long while. |
| 02:31.50 | alestane | The rogue thought he was the main pull, and they all basically assumed that they should attack whatever I wasn't. |
| 02:32.11 | WobWork | alestane: I usually sit back with the healer and let them at it |
| 02:32.14 | cbreak | it's the aoe mentality |
| 02:32.32 | cbreak | in WotLK, proper pulling and focus fireing, as well as CCing in heroics was completely lost |
| 02:32.40 | WobWork | if they feel they can tank, then they can go ahead and do so |
| 02:32.43 | alestane | There seems to be a trend lately that you should run instances three pulls at a time. |
| 02:32.50 | cbreak | every time I try to sheep something, I get laughed at... |
| 02:33.00 | WobWork | it's not worth the stress in keeping them up if they get agro |
| 02:33.02 | WobWork | aggro |
| 02:33.04 | kd3 | that'll change quick come cata |
| 02:33.11 | WobWork | ahaha |
| 02:33.16 | WobWork | I can hear the nerf cries |
| 02:33.38 | kd3 | first pull of the first dungeon... "Try to aoe us? you're going splat" |
| 02:33.46 | kd3 | hopes |
| 02:33.52 | alestane | cbreak: part of it is that at least on my 'lock, my DPS looks much higher if I'm AoEing, and that's how other people judge my performance. |
| 02:33.54 | WobWork | agrees |
| 02:34.03 | WobWork | They should have like in AK |
| 02:34.07 | WobWork | a mob that focuses |
| 02:34.12 | WobWork | and ignores aggro |
| 02:34.17 | cbreak | I care about success |
| 02:34.27 | cbreak | not how other people think my dps is |
| 02:34.29 | WobWork | so players are forced to focus fire or die |
| 02:34.41 | alestane | cbreak: So would I like to. |
| 02:34.55 | WobWork | I've only ever booted a dps once for lack of dps |
| 02:35.02 | WobWork | and that was a 80 DK doing 200 |
| 02:35.04 | cbreak | (although lately, I just nuke things as hard as I can without bothering... when other people aoe, I can't make it worse anyway) |
| 02:35.54 | alestane | WobWork: That's a freeloader. |
| 02:35.56 | WobWork | if they hadn't hit heart strike at least once, I'd've thought they'd not even assigned any talents |
| 02:36.03 | WobWork | alestane: thus the boot |
| 02:36.09 | alestane | I have trouble imaging any other explanation. |
| 02:36.35 | alestane | Other than "I'll just follow these guys through the instance and get badges while I'm eating lunch." |
| 02:37.01 | WobWork | hehe, there was a great dear_gnome the other day |
| 02:37.07 | cbreak | I do okish dps while eating |
| 02:37.34 | WobWork | with a freeloader that went out of his way to freeload |
| 02:37.54 | ZorbaTHut | wob, my current challenge with leveling dungeons is that I attempt to top the damage meters every time, whether I'm tanking, dpsing, or healing |
| 02:37.54 | alestane | cbreak: From a restaurant without WiFi? That's what it sounds like this guy was trying to do. |
| 02:38.01 | ZorbaTHut | (the last one is the toughest) |
| 02:38.14 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: I've out dps'd some dps while healing |
| 02:38.18 | WobWork | it's terribly depressing |
| 02:38.49 | WobWork | although, I'm happy now. My bear is geared enough to solo Anzu |
| 02:38.53 | ZorbaTHut | I always top the meters tanking on my DK, usually top them dpsing on my rogue (lack of AoE really hurts me, so it's tougher and I lose sometimes), and get it maybe one time out of three healing on my shadow priest |
| 02:39.11 | ZorbaTHut | though I tend to be a bit conservative there since I don't want to be responsible for a wipe |
| 02:39.28 | ZorbaTHut | still trying to figure out how to efficiently warlock things at level 40 :( |
| 02:39.57 | WobWork | eh, if you're sufficiently keeping my health up without too many spikes, shadowhealing my bear, I'm good with that |
| 02:40.12 | WobWork | Too many spikes and I'm sitting down til you switch though =P |
| 02:40.27 | WobWork | -I- don't need the stress of mashing cooldowns =P |
| 02:40.32 | ZorbaTHut | wob, yeah, it's at level 30 which is in some ways easier and in some ways harder |
| 02:41.09 | eidolarr | level 40 warlock? |
| 02:41.18 | eidolarr | don't you have dark pact then? |
| 02:41.34 | WobWork | warlocks tend to have it pretty shitty overall, in regards to dots |
| 02:42.02 | WobWork | the buildup to full dps always takes too long =\ |
| 02:42.33 | eidolarr | mostly on trash though |
| 02:44.27 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Affliction. Spam corruption, drain tank. |
| 02:44.53 | ZorbaTHut | by the time I have corruption on every target, everyone is dead, and I've done crappy damage. |
| 02:45.03 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: we talking about dungeons? |
| 02:45.09 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, 5-man leveling dungeons |
| 02:45.12 | DWSR | ah |
| 02:45.15 | DWSR | SB spam. |
| 02:45.19 | kd3 | shadowbolt? |
| 02:45.20 | WobWork | >< |
| 02:45.23 | DWSR | If the target dies in under 10 seconds, that's the highest DPS. |
| 02:45.23 | WobWork | so boring |
| 02:45.32 | kd3 | looks at mage leveling |
| 02:45.36 | DWSR | If you're AoEing, SoC to death. |
| 02:45.40 | WobWork | well, true that also =P |
| 02:45.43 | eidolarr | not at level 40 |
| 02:45.44 | ZorbaTHut | SoC doesn't exist at level 40 |
| 02:45.48 | DWSR | meh, RoF then |
| 02:45.50 | DWSR | Whatever. |
| 02:45.50 | WobWork | hehe hellfire =P |
| 02:45.53 | ZorbaTHut | shadowbolt is crummy damage due to being single-target |
| 02:46.01 | eidolarr | throw grenades |
| 02:46.06 | kd3 | but it's better dps than getting a tick or two of corruption |
| 02:46.12 | kd3 | before the thing's dead |
| 02:46.16 | eidolarr | searing pain? |
| 02:46.25 | DWSR | High threat, shit damage. |
| 02:47.07 | eidolarr | on the bright side warlock is probably the fastest solo lvling class at that point |
| 02:47.10 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, RoF is what I've been trying out, but it's still kind of crummy damage and I'm not yet sure when to switch from RoF to single-target |
| 02:47.24 | kd3 | rof if >3 mobs, single target past that |
| 02:47.27 | ZorbaTHut | and I'm also unsure what to use as a spec. I'm thinking of switching destro, which seems like it's got more front-loaded damage |
| 02:47.34 | DWSR | What kd3 said. |
| 02:47.37 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, it does. |
| 02:47.39 | kd3 | that's the general rule for any aoe |
| 02:47.42 | eidolarr | if ALL you do is dungeons maybe destro |
| 02:47.51 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: tbh, though, I would just quest as a warlock. It's so easy. |
| 02:47.52 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, I have completely lost interest in questing. |
| 02:47.56 | ZorbaTHut | also I'm dual-specced anyway. |
| 02:48.14 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, I know how you feel. Go destro for dungeon deeps. |
| 02:48.29 | eidolarr | the problem with dungeons is the pitiful gank per hour rate |
| 02:48.50 | DWSR | eidolarr: Amen. |
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| 03:04.46 | DWSR | Oh my god. |
| 03:04.55 | DWSR | William Shatner is on the closing ceremonies. |
| 03:06.26 | DWSR | Oh my god. |
| 03:06.35 | DWSR | Canada = Final Frontier = Space? Win. |
| 03:07.05 | bleeter | lolol |
| 03:08.03 | DWSR | bleeter: You watching this? |
| 03:08.51 | Cairenn | this is great |
| 03:09.05 | DWSR | It is. :D |
| 03:09.32 | Cairenn | I love the way we make fun of ourselves :) |
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| 03:10.01 | DWSR | yeah |
| 03:11.04 | DWSR | Cairenn: You watching on CTV? |
| 03:11.11 | Cairenn | yes |
| 03:11.20 | Cairenn | hahahaha @ "I'll get it bronzed!" |
| 03:11.36 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 03:11.37 | DWSR | :P |
| 03:11.43 | DWSR | zomg Mike Fox! |
| 03:11.49 | DWSR | He's Canadian? Shit. |
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| 03:12.35 | bleeter | I missed most of shatner :( |
| 03:12.40 | DWSR | Too bad. |
| 03:12.44 | DWSR | He talked about sex in a canoe. |
| 03:12.52 | bleeter | fucking close to water? |
| 03:12.58 | cogwheel | what would you doo oo oo for a klondike bar? |
| 03:13.05 | Cairenn | which is why splinters are covered in our health care |
| 03:14.04 | DWSR | lol |
| 03:14.10 | DWSR | Yeah, that was pretty great, akshully. |
| 03:14.29 | DWSR | Zomg Michael Buble? |
| 03:14.36 | DWSR | Seriously? |
| 03:15.10 | Cairenn | I'm surprised |
| 03:15.24 | Cairenn | that's an authentic uniform |
| 03:15.35 | Cairenn | or not |
| 03:16.01 | DWSR | It was definitely authentic looking. |
| 03:16.05 | DWSR | Obviously made as a tearaway. |
| 03:16.09 | Cairenn | yeah, it was |
| 03:16.15 | DWSR | :P |
| 03:16.21 | DWSR | I didn't know that he was Canadian as well. |
| 03:16.23 | DWSR | Holy crap. |
| 03:16.27 | Cairenn | couldn't believe they were letting a non-Mountie wear a real one |
| 03:16.38 | DWSR | Apparently, 50% of all famous people are Canadian. The other half are Jewish! :P |
| 03:16.51 | DWSR | (I'm kidding, I swear). |
| 03:18.30 | DWSR | Cairenn: This is hilarious! |
| 03:18.36 | Cairenn | yep |
| 03:18.43 | Cairenn | ooooooh |
| 03:18.49 | Cairenn | our real anthem! |
| 03:18.52 | DWSR | Indeed. |
| 03:19.04 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 03:19.10 | DWSR | Fighting, then shaking hands. |
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| 03:21.04 | DWSR | zomg, canoes! |
| 03:21.15 | WobWork | http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1968104,00.html?xid=rss-topstories |
| 03:22.09 | DWSR | Cairenn: Win. Pure win. |
| 03:22.34 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 03:26.15 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 03:27.56 | DWSR | Oh my god. |
| 03:27.59 | DWSR | Nickelback? Really? |
| 03:28.02 | airtonix | A Room of One's Clone : A story about Gary1-57 |
| 03:28.06 | DWSR | Did we *have* to mention that they're Canadian? |
| 03:29.24 | Cairenn | lumberjacks, mounties & hockey players; moose, beavers, maple leaves & canoes - yup, I think they did in fact include every stereotype that people think of when they think of Canada |
| 03:29.45 | DWSR | Pretty close. |
| 03:30.09 | Cairenn | well, and everything covered in snow & ice |
| 03:30.22 | DWSR | Cairenn: Running water would have been pretty good to cover. |
| 03:31.06 | airtonix | no dope plants or meth labs ? |
| 03:31.24 | DWSR | airtonix: those are for outside. :P |
| 03:31.34 | DWSR | Oh my god, really? |
| 03:31.38 | DWSR | Avril Lavigne? |
| 03:31.49 | DWSR | This is like...the collection of shitty Canadian music. |
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| 03:31.51 | kd3 | la-vur-gn-ee |
| 03:32.09 | kd3 | how I've always pronounced her name after hearing 99x tear her apart |
| 03:32.19 | Ancu | why are we talking about avrill? |
| 03:32.28 | DWSR | Ancu: She's playing at the closing of the Olympics. |
| 03:32.32 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 03:32.55 | Ancu | oh, kk |
| 03:33.04 | DWSR | she was just as awful 2 years ago. |
| 03:33.15 | DWSR | She sucks now. Get this shit off the stage. Really. |
| 03:33.59 | Cairenn | I like her shoes! |
| 03:34.07 | DWSR | Cairenn: She's better seen not heard, imo. |
| 03:34.17 | Cairenn | I like her shoes! |
| 03:34.23 | Cairenn | wants a pair |
| 03:34.30 | DWSR | She's easy on the eyes, but she's an awful singer (either that or her backup singer is fucking horribly offkey). |
| 03:35.09 | DWSR | Actually, both. |
| 03:35.15 | DWSR | Considering she just totally flubbed that. |
| 03:35.30 | kd3 | wait, wait, you mean she's /not/ lip-synching |
| 03:35.32 | kd3 | ? |
| 03:35.44 | DWSR | No, surprisingly. |
| 03:35.47 | kd3 | ! |
| 03:35.54 | DWSR | The backup singer is actually better than she is. |
| 03:36.05 | Cairenn | I can think of some other groups that I'd rather see up there |
| 03:36.07 | DWSR | Ironically, he's a guy. |
| 03:36.18 | Arrowmaster | remember they all use autotune for line performances now instead of risking being caught lip synching |
| 03:36.19 | DWSR | Cairenn: Just about any others, even Nickelback? |
| 03:36.20 | Cairenn | hmmmm, lemme see here ..... Great Big Sea, anyone? |
| 03:36.31 | Cairenn | yes, even Nickelback |
| 03:36.36 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: She's not using autotune. |
| 03:37.06 | DWSR | Oh, christ. |
| 03:37.07 | Cairenn | oy |
| 03:37.09 | DWSR | Seriously? |
| 03:37.12 | Cairenn | no |
| 03:37.14 | Cairenn | no no no |
| 03:37.19 | DWSR | Bad canadian music 101, right here. |
| 03:37.24 | Cairenn | next up Celine? |
| 03:37.27 | DWSR | lol |
| 03:37.30 | DWSR | prolly. |
| 03:37.54 | Cairenn | Cair's daughter here: PLease please please can we .not. do this? |
| 03:38.31 | DWSR | Cair's daughter: You should get your own IRC client. :P And yeah, I have to agree. |
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| 03:38.52 | Cairenn | she has her own |
| 03:39.10 | Cairenn | she just stole my keyboard for a moment while I was refilling my glass |
| 03:39.11 | DWSR | WHY IS IT SNOWING ON ALANIS MORRISET? |
| 03:39.19 | DWSR | Cairenn: Lay down the law, imo |
| 03:40.29 | Cairenn | why? she's allowed to steal my keyboard |
| 03:40.40 | DWSR | Then it's not stealing, is it? |
| 03:41.40 | WobWork | Great Big Sea doing ITEOFWAWKI(AIFF) imo |
| 03:41.42 | Cairenn | fucking get GBS up there! at least then it'd be a good concert! |
| 03:41.50 | WobWork | er |
| 03:42.01 | WobWork | ITEOTWAWKI |
| 03:42.11 | DWSR | Cairenn: Get anyone up there doing anything else. |
| 03:42.13 | DWSR | Seriously. |
| 03:42.16 | WobWork | A moose |
| 03:42.20 | Cairenn | Celine .... |
| 03:42.24 | WobWork | as I said |
| 03:42.27 | WobWork | A moose =P |
| 03:42.38 | DWSR | Here it is. |
| 03:42.42 | DWSR | Oh FFS >.< |
| 03:43.08 | DWSR | GO AWAY SIMPLE FAIL |
| 03:43.39 | WobWork | ? |
| 03:43.50 | DWSR | WobWork: Be happy that you're not watching the closing right now. |
| 03:43.58 | DWSR | It's been one shit performer after another. |
| 03:44.12 | WobWork | =( |
| 03:44.25 | WobWork | we had a drugged up Kylie on ours =) |
| 03:44.26 | Cairenn | it's .... improving .... Alanis is better than Avril, and SP is better than Alanis .... maybe? |
| 03:44.37 | DWSR | WobWork: Kylie Minogue? Would have been better. |
| 03:44.44 | DWSR | Cairenn: No, it's steadily getting worse. |
| 03:44.55 | DWSR | Nickelback was bad, Avril was fucking awful, Alanis made me want to kill myself. |
| 03:45.08 | DWSR | SP is only a slight improvement over all of the above, making me only want to slit my wrists. |
| 03:45.16 | WobWork | Rush should appear |
| 03:45.53 | Cairenn | Guess Who |
| 03:46.06 | DWSR | Everyone's looking at the the stage going "Ok, can we get some fucking MUSIC please?" |
| 03:46.32 | DWSR | Hedly? |
| 03:46.35 | DWSR | Oh christ. |
| 03:46.42 | Cairenn | oy |
| 03:46.45 | DWSR | Fail. |
| 03:46.46 | DWSR | Just fail. |
| 03:47.05 | Cairenn | it was good .... until the concert part |
| 03:47.10 | DWSR | Yes, yes it was. |
| 03:47.13 | Cairenn | it's just been sad ever since |
| 03:47.16 | DWSR | I just muted the TV, because I can't deal with it anymore. |
| 03:48.03 | Cairenn | come on, we've got good groups, wtf |
| 03:48.10 | Cairenn | where the hell are they? |
| 03:48.17 | Cairenn | did they not approach any of them? |
| 03:48.17 | WobWork | In America =( |
| 03:49.11 | DWSR | Cairenn: Does the guy on stage scream raging emo homosexual to you? |
| 03:49.22 | Cairenn | no |
| 03:49.31 | DWSR | k, just wondering. |
| 03:50.10 | DWSR | Who is this now? |
| 03:50.20 | Esamynn | Headly, apparently |
| 03:50.29 | DWSR | No, next act. |
| 03:50.30 | Cairenn | no, that's who just left |
| 03:50.34 | DWSR | Oh, jesus christ. |
| 03:50.37 | DWSR | Somehow it's worse. |
| 03:50.40 | Esamynn | oh, I guess my feed is a bit behind |
| 03:50.50 | DWSR | Somehow, they found a way to make this EVEN WORSE. |
| 03:51.00 | DWSR | Just, pathetic beyond words. |
| 03:51.03 | Cairenn | Marie-Mai |
| 03:51.08 | Esamynn | oh, I paused it at some point and never caught up |
| 03:51.18 | DWSR | Esamynn: Keep it paused. |
| 03:51.23 | Esamynn | lol |
| 03:51.24 | Cairenn | actually ... you know what? |
| 03:51.27 | DWSR | I'll let you know when you should just skip to the latest point. |
| 03:51.30 | Cairenn | this /is/ an improvement |
| 03:51.35 | DWSR | Cairenn: I can't see it. |
| 03:51.43 | Cairenn | she's not bad, comparatively |
| 03:51.51 | Esamynn | all depends on your taste |
| 03:51.57 | DWSR | She's lip synched or auto-tuned. |
| 03:52.02 | DWSR | Take your pick, but I can hear it. |
| 03:52.17 | Cairenn | tells you how sad the concert is, though - they aren't having fun in the mosh pit |
| 03:52.22 | DWSR | yep |
| 03:52.23 | Cairenn | they're TRYING, but they aren't |
| 03:52.28 | Cairenn | they're all just standing around |
| 03:52.36 | Esamynn | lol |
| 03:52.41 | DWSR | Esamynn: Just keep it paused, really. |
| 03:52.42 | Cairenn | you know it's a bad concert when the mosh pit isn't moshing |
| 03:53.11 | DWSR | Dagmar |
| 03:53.46 | Cairenn | now what? |
| 03:54.08 | DWSR | k-os |
| 03:54.12 | DWSR | He's actually decent. |
| 03:54.17 | DWSR | Hopefully they picked a decent. |
| 03:54.20 | DWSR | decent song* |
| 03:54.44 | DWSR | Nope, they didn't. |
| 03:54.47 | DWSR | fail |
| 03:54.51 | DWSR | remutes. |
| 03:55.33 | Esamynn | sighs |
| 03:55.40 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 03:55.43 | DWSR | Esamynn: Keep it paused. |
| 03:55.51 | Esamynn | DWSR: far, far too late |
| 03:55.52 | DWSR | Who's on now? |
| 03:55.55 | DWSR | Oh, still him |
| 03:56.03 | DWSR | Fail. |
| 03:56.10 | Torhal | Esamynn: Apparently if you un-pause, you'll soon /wrists |
| 03:56.34 | Esamynn | this is the first one I've truly gone, W.T.F. |
| 03:56.38 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.40 | DWSR | Esamynn: You will, there's no apparently about this. |
| 03:57.00 | DWSR | Esamynn, Cairenn, Torhal: He's actually a decent artist, at least his old stuff was. |
| 03:57.06 | DWSR | This is just fucking awful. |
| 03:57.30 | Torhal | Makes me wonder if the presentors went to each performer individually and said "You know how the athletes did their best out there? We want you to do the exact opposite." |
| 03:57.42 | DWSR | Someone, please, quote that shit. |
| 03:57.45 | Torhal | Haha |
| 03:57.45 | DWSR | For trufs. |
| 03:57.59 | DWSR | Beastie Boys? |
| 03:58.04 | DWSR | Oh, just a sample. |
| 03:58.13 | DWSR | I was like, Beastie Boys I could get behind. |
| 03:58.47 | Cairenn | at least the dancers are dec ... who? |
| 03:58.55 | DWSR | Lost me. |
| 03:59.03 | DWSR | Ah, Scrap Art Music. |
| 03:59.09 | Cairenn | okay, if they stay all percussion, it might be okay |
| 03:59.11 | DWSR | Think Blue Man Group, without the cool. |
| 04:00.22 | Esamynn | hmm |
| 04:00.31 | Esamynn | my PVR just stopped recording |
| 04:00.35 | Esamynn | do I want to re-start it |
| 04:00.38 | Esamynn | ... nope |
| 04:00.48 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.53 | DWSR | Oh, thank fucking god. |
| 04:01.04 | Esamynn | at least I can see the fireworks from my place |
| 04:01.06 | Esamynn | for reals |
| 04:01.30 | DWSR | That was a fucking tragedy. |
| 04:01.38 | Esamynn | did you know they are scrapping that roof soon? |
| 04:01.46 | Esamynn | putting in a retractable one :/ |
| 04:01.46 | DWSR | yeah |
| 04:02.24 | DWSR | lol, SkyDome 2.0 |
| 04:02.37 | Cairenn | that .... was a really sad ending to send people home with as their final memory of Canada .... |
| 04:02.45 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 04:02.49 | DWSR | It really really was. |
| 04:02.51 | Cairenn | imo |
| 04:02.54 | Esamynn | yup |
| 04:03.00 | Esamynn | started okay... and went downhill |
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| 04:03.05 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 04:03.09 | Esamynn | the concert part |
| 04:03.09 | Cairenn | and not on skiis |
| 04:03.30 | Cairenn | it's sad |
| 04:03.34 | Cairenn | we have really good artists |
| 04:03.39 | Cairenn | where the hell were they? |
| 04:04.11 | DWSR | We need to employ 4chan to troll the IoC |
| 04:04.15 | DWSR | IOC* |
| 04:04.21 | DWSR | For great justice. |
| 04:04.28 | DWSR | Still, Torhal pretty much summed it up: [22:57:30] <Torhal>Makes me wonder if the presentors went to each performer individually and said "You know how the athletes did their best out there? We want you to do the exact opposite." |
| 04:05.31 | Cairenn | well Esamynn, I hope you can go find a GOOD party to come back and tell us about |
| 04:05.45 | Cairenn | to re-raise our spirits |
| 04:05.57 | Esamynn | @CTV Comentators, hell we don't see this sort of thing on Canada Day most years |
| 04:06.12 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:06.13 | DWSR | This. |
| 04:06.35 | DWSR | The most patroitism I've seen lately was on 420. |
| 04:07.40 | DWSR | Ugh |
| 04:07.45 | DWSR | That was really sad. |
| 04:08.51 | Esamynn | so I bought the I Believe song off iTunes today, great track, gets full use of my nice speakers :) |
| 04:09.01 | DWSR | Is it? |
| 04:09.05 | DWSR | That's good. |
| 04:09.21 | Esamynn | I cracked up the volume earlier this afternoon, and opened the windows while people were making noise after the game |
| 04:09.21 | DWSR | Should have just played that on loop for an hour instead of that "concert", and I say that loosely. |
| 04:09.36 | Esamynn | said, screw it, the neighbours will forgive me this once |
| 04:09.47 | Cairenn | Rush, Our Lady Peace, Sum 41, Great Big Sea, April Wine, Guess Who, LoverBoy, Barenaked Ladies, Shania Twain, Blue Rodeo, Crash Test Dummies .... |
| 04:09.56 | DWSR | BNL isn't together anymore. |
| 04:09.57 | Esamynn | 14 Gold Medals, YAH!!!! |
| 04:10.14 | DWSR | Would have loved to have seen OLP, Sum41, Guess Who, Blue Rodeo. |
| 04:10.44 | Cairenn | Tragically Hip |
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| 04:11.00 | DWSR | Sum41 was sucha great band in the golden era of punk |
| 04:11.00 | Cairenn | I mean, fuck people, we've GOT good artists! |
| 04:11.05 | Cairenn | where the hell were they? |
| 04:11.08 | DWSR | No idea. |
| 04:11.46 | Cairenn | Rankins (if they were still performing together) |
| 04:13.12 | Cairenn | hell, go classic - Ann Murray, Gordon Lightfoot, Jann Arden, Bryan Adams |
| 04:13.29 | Cairenn | grumps |
| 04:14.23 | Jerub | http://www.gametrailers.com/video/flowfield-pathfinding-supreme-commander/62419 |
| 04:14.31 | Jerub | i have to test that kind of thing with sc2 |
| 04:14.32 | ZorbaTHut | I wish there were adaptive-level training dummies |
| 04:14.40 | ZorbaTHut | I want to try out some spells but I can't hit any of the dummies :( |
| 04:14.42 | Jerub | which has some nice stuff i've gotta say, units will move out of the way for other units. |
| 04:14.48 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: yeah, i think that too |
| 04:14.52 | Jerub | or just a small range of them |
| 04:14.54 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Hard to do, though |
| 04:14.57 | Jerub | 10-20-30-40 |
| 04:15.04 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, why? bosses already behave like that |
| 04:15.28 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: But bosses are always 3 levels higher than the level cap. |
| 04:15.32 | DWSR | Which is the same for all players. |
| 04:15.39 | ZorbaTHut | aren't they always 3 levels higher than you? |
| 04:15.43 | DWSR | no |
| 04:15.53 | DWSR | Not that I know of, anyway. |
| 04:15.58 | DWSR | Boss level = 3 levels higher than the cap. |
| 04:16.05 | ZorbaTHut | not sure I believe that, 'cause if it were true, level 60 retro raids wouldn't work at all |
| 04:16.07 | Esamynn | no |
| 04:16.17 | Esamynn | boss mobs, for some things, = 3 levels above you |
| 04:16.19 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I know that I miss against MC bosses. |
| 04:16.29 | ZorbaTHut | yes, they're three levels higher than you |
| 04:16.32 | DWSR | Right. |
| 04:16.33 | Esamynn | not HP or dmg of course |
| 04:16.34 | kd3 | bosses are 3 levels higher than you |
| 04:16.37 | kd3 | not whatever the cap is |
| 04:16.44 | DWSR | Ah, heh |
| 04:16.54 | Esamynn | but for things like your chance to hit them |
| 04:17.39 | Jerub | is there a list somewhere of what loot each of the rare spawns drop? |
| 04:17.51 | DWSR | Cairenn: Did you tune away yet? |
| 04:17.56 | Cairenn | yes |
| 04:17.58 | Cairenn | why? |
| 04:18.02 | DWSR | Just wondering. |
| 04:18.14 | DWSR | I was hoping they'd do some post-ceremony wrap up, but they really didn't. |
| 04:18.16 | Cairenn | should I switch back for some reason? |
| 04:18.19 | Cairenn | ah |
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| 04:24.54 | ZorbaTHut | excellent, back to doing 50% of the party damage |
| 04:25.03 | Shirik | so I hear all PS3s died today? |
| 04:25.10 | Esamynn | later folks, I'm going out |
| 04:25.19 | Esamynn | Shirik: ??? |
| 04:25.20 | Shirik | some bug is causing them to think today is a leap year |
| 04:25.35 | Shirik | and this causes some problem |
| 04:25.36 | Esamynn | LOL |
| 04:25.39 | Shirik | I don't exactly get it |
| 04:26.48 | kd3 | ...the hell? |
| 04:29.06 | Shirik | one of many hits on google news; I found it after my friend asked me for help: http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=7216 |
| 04:30.28 | kd3 | rofl |
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| 04:44.59 | Shadowed | That site makes me sad |
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| 04:52.14 | Adys | i think it may be optimized if you have a res ability but it is still good i think for like me im a rouge i have no form of coming back to life short of getting resed by anouther character but this triket really helps like imagine u just got killed by an oposing player but you were close and if u just had that 1 more blow they would have gone down well with this u can have that last shot u gat to come back and kill themhow fun is that |
| 04:52.19 | Adys | KILL ME ALREADY WTF |
| 04:53.05 | elec29a | i fo daemon and set me on fire attakc me |
| 04:53.08 | elec29a | go |
| 04:53.44 | elec29a | after i fear you 2 times |
| 04:54.46 | ZorbaTHut | adys, I always love how people's justifications are "well, yeah, but once in a blue moon, it might help!" |
| 04:55.32 | ZorbaTHut | if you've got a choice between that darkmoon card and a *real* damage trinket, and you would've killed the dude in one more blow, chances are reasonable he would have just died if you'd had a real trinket :P |
| 04:55.38 | elec29a | say me english wow forums i need more downloads |
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| 04:57.18 | kd3 | whee, a MITM on wow authenticators |
| 04:58.07 | ZorbaTHut | kd3, anyone who didn't see this coming doesn't know much about security :P |
| 04:58.14 | kd3 | oh I knew it was coming |
| 04:58.17 | kd3 | surprised it took this long |
| 04:58.20 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, same here |
| 04:58.29 | ZorbaTHut | I had a bunch of people telling me it was impossible. I laugh at them now. |
| 05:01.48 | Shirik | this was discussed a long time ago... |
| 05:01.50 | Shirik | wasn't it? |
| 05:02.00 | Shirik | The whole vulnerability about the authenticators not really being one-shot? |
| 05:02.25 | Shirik | RSA SecurIDs can only be used once. If it's used, you have to wait until the next ID before you can log in again |
| 05:02.27 | DWSR | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 05:02.35 | Shirik | that's how the Blizzard ones should work |
| 05:02.39 | Shadowed | Didn't someone say the trojan would stop you from connecting Shirik |
| 05:02.58 | Shirik | Are we talking about a trojan or a MITM? |
| 05:02.59 | Jerub | they are one-shot. |
| 05:03.03 | Shirik | I don't consider them the same |
| 05:03.05 | Shirik | Jerub: No they're not |
| 05:03.15 | Jerub | Shirik: i tested mine and found it to be one-shot |
| 05:03.17 | kd3 | they're not. I've been able to log in to both the website and the game using the same key at the same time |
| 05:03.27 | Jerub | kd3: i failed when trying that |
| 05:03.28 | Shirik | If that is in fact true, Jerub, it's a very new development |
| 05:03.58 | Shadowed | Dunno, my understanding of the WoW one is it would wait for you to enter the authenticator code and then stop you from connecting or crash your game |
| 05:04.04 | Shadowed | so it wouldn't matter if it was one shot or not |
| 05:04.20 | Jerub | like a week or two ago |
| 05:04.20 | Trela | Shadowed: Yep, code never gets used and is sent off. |
| 05:04.23 | Shirik | I wouldn't really call that a MITM then |
| 05:04.27 | Jerub | i tested logging into wow and the web ui |
| 05:04.28 | DWSR | IT'S NOT |
| 05:04.30 | DWSR | whoops |
| 05:04.38 | Jerub | also, did anyone else notice in sc2 that the authenticator field is a **** field? |
| 05:04.40 | DWSR | The attack isn't an MITM, really. |
| 05:04.53 | Shadowed | It's a smarter keylogger really |
| 05:04.54 | Shirik | yes Jerub, but more specifically, you can't use enter to switch between thefields |
| 05:04.57 | Shirik | which is really annoying |
| 05:05.20 | Trela | There is discussion in the World of Raids thread from some one who has reverse engineered the authenticator to make a desktop version of it. He goes on to state that the codes remain valid for a few minutes. |
| 05:05.20 | Shadowed | Does the fact that it's a ***** field even matter |
| 05:05.29 | Shadowed | I'd imagine it can be read still, just a little harder |
| 05:05.30 | Trela | Shadowed: Not really. |
| 05:05.46 | kd3 | it's still in memory somewhere, it can be read |
| 05:05.49 | Shadowed | yea |
| 05:05.50 | Shirik | Shadowed: It means it can be read by eyes |
| 05:05.51 | Shirik | and that's it |
| 05:05.53 | Shirik | can't* |
| 05:06.17 | Shadowed | right, I guess if you're worried someone is going to look over your shoulders, get your password/login/key and then login within a few minutes... |
| 05:06.43 | Shirik | can never be too careful! |
| 05:07.10 | Arrowmaster | Trela: by 'reverse engineered' does he mean 'i got a j2me emulator and a copy of the mobile authenticator for j2me phones'? |
| 05:08.08 | Shadowed | Shirik: If someone is that dedicated, they deserve the account! |
| 05:08.29 | Shirik | I think I should be able to log into WoW by smart card |
| 05:08.39 | Trela | Arrowmaster: Found that the supposed to be encrypted serial numbers and keys were being stored in plain text on Android phones. Worked from there to create a desktop client apparently. |
| 05:09.15 | Trela | Kody unfortunately cleared all of that out of the thread earlier. :( |
| 05:09.38 | Arrowmaster | your forum software actually deletes completely instead of just hiding? |
| 05:10.03 | Shadowed | Shirik: you should have to submit blood every time you want to login |
| 05:10.09 | Shirik | omg |
| 05:10.13 | Shirik | I could get rich off that |
| 05:10.32 | Shadowed | Stealing blood so people could use other peoples account? |
| 05:10.37 | Shirik | how long does blood cells live after death? |
| 05:10.45 | Trela | Arrowmaster: Three levels of it, soft delete, delete into trash can, and GTFO delete. |
| 05:10.50 | Shirik | It could be a perfect new security system, it's better than fingerprints |
| 05:10.57 | Shirik | Because fingerprints can be used post-mortem |
| 05:11.06 | Shirik | but blood cells die |
| 05:11.09 | Shadowed | You're pretty creepy Shirik |
| 05:11.11 | Shadowed | have I told you that |
| 05:11.18 | Shirik | it was implied |
| 05:12.22 | Trela | Tom McNiven posted: "As posted in the thread I'm not using an emulator but rather a complete working legit authenticator I created by reverse engineering the android authenticator." |
| 05:12.45 | Thunder_Child | thats why vein auth systems were invented, as unique as eyes but requires flowing blood |
| 05:15.38 | Shirik | vein auth systems? |
| 05:15.48 | *** join/#wowuidev elec29a (~elec@host181-41-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 05:15.53 | Jerub | oh, can i grab a link to that? |
| 05:16.08 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: yes |
| 05:16.11 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: me? |
| 05:16.16 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:17.12 | Thunder_Child | a smiple check of google should help you with that question Shirik |
| 05:17.53 | Thunder_Child | i saw some smaples when i was at wired's convention a few years back |
| 05:18.33 | Thunder_Child | samples* |
| 05:19.58 | Shadowed | oh |
| 05:20.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Aeyan (~pancake@cpe-174-098-002-214.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 05:20.12 | Shadowed | That's not nearly as mad-science-tsy as I was hoping |
| 05:22.07 | Shirik | Jerub |
| 05:22.09 | Shirik | do you have SC2? |
| 05:23.06 | Shirik | or anyone else? We just need one more for a 2v2 :/ |
| 05:24.56 | Jerub | Shirik: i have it, but at home. |
| 05:25.01 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:25.04 | Jerub | please feel free to add me as a 'friend', jerub.thorne |
| 05:25.30 | WobWork | rofl: @Arwen:  Is channel 9 seriously ending their olympic coverage with a depressing song and a montage of athletes falling down ???? |
| 05:25.33 | Shirik | why is "friend" in quotes :( |
| 05:25.44 | WobWork | Cairenn: looks like you're not alone in terrible endings =) |
| 05:26.56 | Shirik | Who here is good at design patterns |
| 05:26.58 | Shirik | cogwheel I guess |
| 05:27.11 | Shirik | I have an intriguing problem for you, I will show it later |
| 05:27.46 | Adys | Shirik |
| 05:27.49 | Adys | just ask |
| 05:27.55 | Shirik | it's a complicated problem |
| 05:28.01 | Shirik | it would take some time to explain to be able to ask |
| 05:28.04 | Shirik | that's why I said "later" |
| 05:28.09 | Adys | NO DO IT NOW |
| 05:28.16 | Shirik | you don't like UML anyway |
| 05:28.35 | Shirik | ok here, I'll explain it in words |
| 05:28.38 | Shirik | glhf figuring it out |
| 05:28.51 | Shirik | I'm trying to implement a parser or sorts. The data is all bytecode |
| 05:28.55 | Shadowed | Could you explain it in haiku form instead, words are boring |
| 05:29.03 | Shirik | Basiaclly the data is a bunch of messages |
| 05:29.11 | Shirik | I want each message to be parsed into an object, no big deal |
| 05:29.42 | Shirik | the problem is the parsing. I want it to be extremely adaptive, that is, to be able to add a new message type with minimal work. |
| 05:30.08 | Shirik | My initial ideas floated around the thought that you could represent an interface through which parsing is done, and each implementation of that interface can be done for each message |
| 05:30.15 | Shirik | that way, to do a new message type, you just create a new implementation and register it |
| 05:30.25 | Shirik | the problem comes when you think about how to identify which message it is |
| 05:30.41 | Adys | bunch of messages |
| 05:30.46 | Adys | adaptive parsing |
| 05:30.48 | Shirik | Because you can't assume, for example, the first few bytes indicates it |
| 05:30.54 | Adys | represent an interface |
| 05:30.58 | Adys | happy shadowed? |
| 05:31.04 | Shadowed | NO |
| 05:31.06 | Adys | fuck I slipped there |
| 05:31.13 | Shirik | that's not a haiku |
| 05:31.14 | Shirik | you fail |
| 05:31.17 | Adys | i know |
| 05:31.18 | Adys | YOUR MAMMA |
| 05:31.49 | Adys | Im listening to spanish songs in the background |
| 05:31.52 | Adys | i cant do haikus at this hour |
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| 05:53.41 | ZorbaTHut | damn, three upgrades in one instance. lost every one of 'em. not my day. |
| 05:55.20 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i managed a perfect trifecta for my warrior in uldaman yesterday |
| 05:55.36 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: have you noticed how tits on a bull the 'satchel of useful treasures' is? |
| 05:56.06 | Jerub | i've gotten all sorts of things. +spirit rings and necks on my warrior, my warrior has been given plate shoulders from level 35-40, etc. |
| 05:57.41 | Adys | Jerub: you mean frosty treasures or something? |
| 05:58.02 | Adys | helpful goods |
| 05:58.03 | Adys | i guess |
| 05:58.04 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/all/random/#tab=quest |
| 05:58.33 | Jerub | that's the one |
| 06:00.01 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, it's pretty awesome if you get lucky |
| 06:00.09 | ZorbaTHut | blue items of your level and your armor type |
| 06:00.12 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: well, it's prety stable gold. |
| 06:00.17 | ZorbaTHut | with a random suffix that may or may not be handy :D |
| 06:00.26 | Jerub | because like. plate shoulders for a level 35 warrior in heirlooms are... as useful as tits on a bull. |
| 06:00.34 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: that's not true. |
| 06:00.39 | Jerub | my armor type at level 35 doesn't include 'plate' |
| 06:00.53 | ZorbaTHut | eh, it will in five levels :) |
| 06:01.08 | Jerub | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/52001/satchel-of-helpful-goods/#tab=item_related |
| 06:01.14 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: not plate /shoulders/ |
| 06:01.20 | Jerub | sigh |
| 06:01.28 | Jerub | it would be okay if it had a feeling of randomness |
| 06:01.31 | Jerub | but it's always shoulders. |
| 06:01.32 | ZorbaTHut | oh, yeah, sucks to be you then |
| 06:01.47 | ZorbaTHut | you get two slots, so it's shoulders and something else |
| 06:01.49 | Jerub | it looks like there's 1 satchel for 30-50 |
| 06:02.09 | Adys | yeah theres only one satchel for each bracket |
| 06:02.10 | Adys | but |
| 06:02.20 | Adys | are you serious? they give different loot for different classes? |
| 06:02.30 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: oh, how do i find out what those slots are? |
| 06:02.36 | Jerub | Adys: you'll never find cloth in a warriors satchel |
| 06:02.39 | ZorbaTHut | adys, if the item you get has an armor type, you always get that armor type |
| 06:02.43 | Jerub | Adys: and vice versa. |
| 06:02.45 | Adys | thats really interesting |
| 06:02.48 | Adys | it's a new mechanic |
| 06:02.52 | Jerub | you'll never find a wariror in a clothie's satchel. |
| 06:03.02 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=satchel%20of%20helpful%20goods click and look at available loot :D |
| 06:03.04 | Adys | i dont think you can loot warriors |
| 06:03.13 | ZorbaTHut | adys, I suspect it's an extension of the same loot-table system that monsters use |
| 06:03.27 | Adys | it isn't |
| 06:03.28 | ZorbaTHut | and fishing, for that matter |
| 06:03.36 | Adys | well |
| 06:04.10 | Adys | theres two solutions |
| 06:04.24 | Adys | either they're changing the loot table when it's rewarded |
| 06:04.41 | Adys | or they're giving all the loot, it's just that classes can't see all of it |
| 06:04.53 | Adys | but in that case, the satchel wouldn't disappear once you looted it.. |
| 06:04.58 | ZorbaTHut | I've long suspected that the way loot works in WoW is that each creature has potentially dozens of loot tables |
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| 06:05.01 | ZorbaTHut | you just can't see all of them |
| 06:05.19 | ZorbaTHut | so when you loot, it evaluates which ones actually exist, and then evaluates those tables to see what shows up in the corpse. |
| 06:05.23 | Adys | each creature has one loot table, this loot table can contain references to other items, or other loot tables |
| 06:06.41 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* close enough |
| 06:06.42 | Adys | eg, say i dunno rivendare will have one loot table baron-rivendare with 200% droprate, each item inside it will have a split droprate |
| 06:06.55 | Adys | then it will have the bonus-rivendare loot table only active if you did the event |
| 06:07.03 | Adys | then it will have the deathcharger, on its own |
| 06:07.10 | Adys | then it will have the world-drop 55-62 |
| 06:08.12 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, so, the satchel just has a set of cloth/leather/mail/plate loot tables |
| 06:08.19 | ZorbaTHut | the only new feature is activating a table based on the player's class |
| 06:08.39 | Adys | yes, but in that case the satchel wouldnt disappear once you looted it |
| 06:08.57 | Adys | and Im pretty sure they didnt fix that specific bug |
| 06:09.11 | Adys | (which isnt technically a bug) |
| 06:09.11 | ZorbaTHut | mobs are still skinnable even if you don't loot every single possible table they contain |
| 06:09.28 | Adys | it's slightly different |
| 06:09.52 | Adys | once a npc loot has been emptied server sends an event that tells "mob is now skinnable" |
| 06:10.23 | Adys | what I mean is it's separate for mobs and items |
| 06:11.47 | Adys | sighs |
| 06:11.50 | Adys | 23 elders done |
| 06:11.56 | Adys | this is insane =/ |
| 06:12.10 | WobWork | agrees with Adys |
| 06:12.17 | WobWork | you've got a good guide? |
| 06:12.27 | Adys | no, I've got a good coffee |
| 06:12.30 | Adys | Im doing this on a lvl 5 |
| 06:12.38 | WobWork | good luck =) |
| 06:12.49 | Adys | gonna need summons for like half of northrend |
| 06:12.59 | WobWork | You can't get into naxx... |
| 06:13.06 | *** join/#wowuidev digmouse|work (~chatzilla@124.205.157.50) |
| 06:13.06 | Adys | yeah so? :P |
| 06:13.10 | Adys | Im not running for the titler |
| 06:13.11 | Adys | -r |
| 06:13.16 | WobWork | ah, k |
| 06:13.32 | WobWork | just wondering why you'd bother then =) |
| 06:13.43 | WobWork | although it's good xp |
| 06:13.54 | Adys | Im not getting xp on that char |
| 06:14.02 | WobWork | what is this toon? =P |
| 06:14.06 | WobWork | lvl 5 explorer? |
| 06:14.15 | Adys | 750 achievement points baby |
| 06:14.23 | WobWork | You is mad =P |
| 06:14.31 | Adys | Im trying to get more than my raid leader |
| 06:14.43 | Adys | he has something like 1300 |
| 06:15.00 | Thunder_Child | "If passed, something called the Digital Economy Bill over in the U.K. could do the unthinkable in this, the digital age: Ban open wifi spots." fail |
| 06:15.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: is it even possible to have that few and.. you know.. DO anything? |
| 06:15.49 | Adys | we dont do raiding achievements, and he doesnt really log outside of raids |
| 06:16.08 | WobWork | how does he manage to get the achievements then? |
| 06:16.16 | Adys | the wat |
| 06:17.41 | Jerub | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=52001#contains |
| 06:17.43 | WobWork | how did he get 1300, if he doesn't do anything but raid |
| 06:17.52 | WobWork | and not go after the raiding aches |
| 06:17.55 | Jerub | it looks like i will either get a ring or plate shoulders. |
| 06:18.04 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a lot of achievements you get just for playing |
| 06:18.32 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: "Congratulations, you LOGGED IN!!" *huzzah!* *hoorraaay!* |
| 06:18.39 | digmouse|work | what is a "man in the middle" attack? |
| 06:18.47 | WobWork | ~wiki man in the middle |
| 06:18.49 | Jerub | there's achievements for installing addons. |
| 06:18.52 | Jerub | NPCScan |
| 06:18.55 | NightHawkTheSane | for leveling, for exploring, questing, killing normal bosses |
| 06:19.12 | Jerub | Shirik: did you add me as a 'friend' ? |
| 06:19.18 | WobWork | woo! purl comes through with the goods |
| 06:19.22 | WobWork | digmouse|work: ^ |
| 06:19.29 | WobWork | ~botsnack |
| 06:19.29 | purl | :), WobWork |
| 06:19.33 | Adys | NPCScan wins |
| 06:20.05 | Adys | and yeha theres a hell of a lot achievements you just get when playing |
| 06:20.07 | WobWork | Jerub: why the quotation marks? =P |
| 06:21.19 | digmouse|work | hmm pretty complicated huh |
| 06:22.24 | Adys | digmouse|work: not really |
| 06:23.07 | Adys | digmouse|work: mitm is basically intercepting what happens between the moment where data leaves your computer and where it reaches the destination server |
| 06:23.31 | Adys | or well, in wow's case recently, between the moment where it leaves the wow client and the moment it leaves your computer |
| 06:23.40 | Jerub | technically this has nothing to do with a MITM |
| 06:24.01 | Jerub | wait, on a re-read, this is a MITM |
| 06:24.14 | Adys | uhm yeha it is :P |
| 06:24.41 | Jerub | i thought it was just sniffing, but this is actually stopping you from authing against their servers. |
| 06:25.12 | Adys | if it didnt prevent you from logging in, the code would get used |
| 06:25.25 | Adys | also even if it were just sniffing, it's still mitm |
| 06:25.26 | digmouse|work | so it intercepts the auth code and record it |
| 06:26.09 | digmouse|work | but isnt the auth code would expire in a fairy short time? |
| 06:26.30 | Adys | yeah, you got like 3 minutes once you receive it |
| 06:26.47 | Adys | which is enough to login, do your stuff, etc |
| 06:29.50 | WobWork | technically a mitm attack is undetectable |
| 06:30.14 | WobWork | this is the equivalent of intercepting the code |
| 06:30.23 | WobWork | then punching you in the face to prevent you hitting enter |
| 06:31.03 | WobWork | So perhaps Man To The Side A Bit With KnuckleDusters attack |
| 06:32.21 | Cairenn | WobWork: http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/various/cutecub.jpg |
| 06:32.58 | Jerub | Cairenn: $!%!#!#$#!%#! CUTE |
| 06:34.11 | Adys | adorable |
| 06:36.00 | Jerub | i think it comes down to "Attack" |
| 06:36.10 | WobWork | ... fuzz..z.zz.zz.zz... |
| 06:36.11 | WobWork | ...y |
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| 06:39.08 | Shirik | Jerub: yes |
| 06:39.26 | awweaver | Hello |
| 06:39.31 | Jerub | Shirik: excellent |
| 06:39.37 | Jerub | Shirik: i have friends now! |
| 06:39.38 | awweaver | Anyone here play DnD? |
| 06:39.46 | Jerub | awweaver: *raises hand* |
| 06:40.09 | Thunder_Child | i do |
| 06:40.20 | Shirik | Sixen |
| 06:40.22 | Shirik | what exactly did you do |
| 06:40.26 | Shirik | you broke this channel |
| 06:40.27 | awweaver | Jerub, theres a way to calculate how much HP a player loses from con damage, what is the equation |
| 06:40.49 | Thunder_Child | it's 2 per point iirc |
| 06:40.57 | Thunder_Child | and asuming 3.5 |
| 06:40.58 | Jerub | awweaver: CON*LEVEL |
| 06:41.06 | awweaver | Is that it? |
| 06:41.15 | Jerub | awweaver: yep. |
| 06:41.21 | Shirik | ok so my client does this thing whenever I open chat with someone |
| 06:41.26 | awweaver | damn...i feel stupid |
| 06:41.27 | Thunder_Child | or right...that was just me |
| 06:41.28 | Jerub | awweaver: it's the same as the bonus health you get. |
| 06:41.31 | Shirik | (01:39:59)  -› Common channels: @#wowuidev |
| 06:41.32 | Shirik | etc |
| 06:41.37 | Jerub | awweaver: also, con=0=death |
| 06:41.39 | Shirik | and the @ says they're an op on that channel |
| 06:41.48 | Shirik | Sixen's says (01:39:59)  -› Common channels: S#wowuidev |
| 06:41.52 | Shirik | wtf is the "S |
| 06:42.04 | awweaver | OK, thanks |
| 06:42.19 | Sixen | I says what? :O |
| 06:42.23 | Adys | !api getfactionforrace |
| 06:42.23 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'getfactionforrace'. |
| 06:42.24 | Shirik | look |
| 06:42.28 | Shirik | when my client looks you up |
| 06:42.35 | Shirik | it says (01:39:59)  -› Common channels: @#anotherchannel, S#wowuidev (2) |
| 06:42.40 | Shirik | and I have no idea wtf the "S" is |
| 06:42.55 | Adys | I'd say "registered" |
| 06:43.04 | Sixen | mine doesn't, :X |
| 06:43.04 | Sixen | Currently on: @#sc2mapster #wowuidev |
| 06:43.07 | Shirik | and wtf did you do |
| 06:43.08 | Jerub | Shirik: read the source |
| 06:43.10 | Shirik | Adys says "A" everywhere |
| 06:43.16 | Shirik | maybe it's a bug showing the first letter of everyone |
| 06:43.24 | Adys | oh er |
| 06:43.27 | Shirik | no.... Jerub just says (01:43:13)  -› Common channels: #wowuidev (1) |
| 06:43.27 | Sixen | Check zyn |
| 06:43.31 | Adys | yeah I'd say thats a bug with your retardedly shit client |
| 06:43.34 | Sixen | Probably channel flags? |
| 06:43.38 | Shirik | (01:43:28)  -› Common channels: Z#wowace, Z#wowuidev (2) |
| 06:43.42 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 06:43.42 | Sixen | Or that. |
| 06:43.43 | Sixen | lol |
| 06:43.46 | Sixen | Z isn't a flag. I lied. |
| 06:43.52 | Shirik | and Jerub is registered |
| 06:44.00 | Shirik | but his shows up correctly |
| 06:44.07 | Sixen | I'm reg'd too, so that's not it. |
| 06:44.08 | awweaver | Ok now i know thats not right, i did con*level, and i got 108, (lvl 8, con 13) |
| 06:44.28 | Shirik | this is so wierd |
| 06:44.44 | awweaver | I know the players HP to be 66, Im making a spreadsheet to calculate stuff faster when ingame |
| 06:45.44 | Thunder_Child | awweaver: i think he meant con lost |
| 06:45.54 | Thunder_Child | eg. 4 con dmg * lvl |
| 06:45.57 | Adys | anyone knows how to disable permanently the RETARDED SHITTY FUCKING DESIGN TARDFAGNESS the youtube new UI's autoplay is? |
| 06:46.05 | Sixen | lol |
| 06:46.06 | Thunder_Child | so 4 * 8 is how much con lost |
| 06:46.09 | awweaver | O |
| 06:46.15 | Sixen | Con? |
| 06:46.21 | Thunder_Child | constitution |
| 06:46.26 | Sixen | :'(oic |
| 06:46.26 | Thunder_Child | or however it is spelled |
| 06:46.27 | awweaver | ..... |
| 06:46.37 | Sixen | er. smiley? I didn't put that there. |
| 06:46.40 | Thunder_Child | err..hp lost, no con |
| 06:46.49 | Thunder_Child | not* |
| 06:46.59 | Jerub | uh, anyone know where to report bugs with the beta test? |
| 06:47.05 | Thunder_Child | forum |
| 06:47.08 | Sixen | Bug Report forum |
| 06:47.12 | Adys | god |
| 06:47.13 | Adys | youtube is bad |
| 06:47.19 | Sixen | http://forums.battle.net/board.html?forumId=25498616 for US |
| 06:47.42 | Sixen | #sc2mapster for sc2 stuffs. |
| 06:47.42 | Jerub | ty |
| 06:48.09 | Thunder_Child | and a list of people in the topic |
| 06:48.22 | Sixen | That too. List of IRC members & their SC2 accts. |
| 06:48.44 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: did yhe UAV/UCAV's you worked on use bladed propulsion? |
| 06:48.45 | Jerub | we should put them in a google wave or something |
| 06:48.47 | awweaver | beta test for ? |
| 06:48.56 | Shirik | yes Thunder_Child |
| 06:49.09 | Shirik | but extremely quiet |
| 06:49.13 | Sixen | awweaver: SC2. |
| 06:49.21 | Shirik | you can't even hear it in flight |
| 06:49.27 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: http://gizmodo.com/5481081/the-blade-that-would-make-helicopters-almost-silent |
| 06:49.32 | awweaver | I just went and looked... |
| 06:49.32 | Shirik | eh |
| 06:49.41 | Shirik | we're already inaudible :) |
| 06:49.46 | Shirik | then again, we're also much smaller |
| 06:50.56 | awweaver | Im waiting for the cata beta.... |
| 06:51.17 | Sixen | That's crazy, TC :X |
| 06:51.27 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 06:52.01 | Jerub | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23425376106&postId=234234985498&sid=5000#1 |
| 06:52.12 | Jerub | anyone else seen this bug? |
| 06:53.08 | Adys | yes |
| 06:53.13 | Adys | you just linked it |
| 06:53.16 | Thunder_Child | sounds like a firewall bug |
| 06:53.36 | Thunder_Child | s/bug/issue/ |
| 06:54.55 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: I understand what you mean, but no, can't have been. |
| 06:55.24 | Jerub | i know what firewall issues do to sc2, i tested no-connectivity and partial-connectivity, also, i replicated this on two different networks. |
| 06:55.59 | Jerub | Shirik: you work on UAVs? |
| 06:56.17 | Shirik | I work on the most fun part :) |
| 06:56.28 | Shirik | flight controls (all the actual "thinking") |
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| 07:01.02 | Adys | the stuff that should be in python you mean |
| 07:03.04 | awweaver | Ok i think i have the Character stats excel sheet finished.... |
| 07:03.04 | awweaver | for DnD |
| 07:03.59 | awweaver | hears crickets |
| 07:05.49 | Shirik | Adys |
| 07:05.54 | Shirik | if it was in python, the government would hate us |
| 07:06.17 | Thunder_Child | awweaver: there a whole host of them out there |
| 07:06.38 | Thunder_Child | awweaver: now, if you want to do something snazzy like that for pathfinder, that would be nice |
| 07:06.50 | awweaver | U mean 4.0? |
| 07:06.59 | Thunder_Child | i mean pathfinder |
| 07:07.15 | Thunder_Child | awweaver: http://paizo.com/pathfinder |
| 07:07.23 | awweaver | I dont play pathfinder... |
| 07:07.28 | Thunder_Child | think of it as 3.75 |
| 07:07.32 | Thunder_Child | you will |
| 07:07.40 | awweaver | .... |
| 07:07.41 | Thunder_Child | it's a revised 3.5 |
| 07:07.50 | awweaver | cause 4.0 sucks ass |
| 07:08.01 | Thunder_Child | so they thought |
| 07:08.15 | Thunder_Child | there are many things about 4 that are enjoyable |
| 07:08.37 | Thunder_Child | book of nine swords is a hybrid 3.5 and 4.0 |
| 07:08.40 | krka | i am now scared of flying :( i will never be able to convince myself that Shirik hasn't done any software for the plane i'm in :/ |
| 07:08.48 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:08.50 | Thunder_Child | but it has it's issues as well |
| 07:08.58 | Shirik | If it makes you feel any better, krka, the FAA doesn't trust me either |
| 07:09.11 | Thunder_Child | actually Shirik, no |
| 07:09.13 | Thunder_Child | that doesnt |
| 07:09.20 | krka | it does :) |
| 07:09.22 | Jerub | awweaver: pathfinder is what i'd look to now if i wanted to expand on my 3.5 experience. |
| 07:09.25 | Shirik | we found a huge area that was unused |
| 07:09.29 | Shirik | asked the FAA for permission to test there |
| 07:09.33 | Shirik | they gave us this one tiny piece |
| 07:09.35 | Shirik | like 1% of the area |
| 07:10.06 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: book of nine swords? isn't that the crazy one where they beta tested 4.0 ideas? |
| 07:10.07 | awweaver | Im not good at the Roleplaying part, nto saying i cant do it i just am not good at it |
| 07:10.15 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: more or less |
| 07:10.26 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: so it's basically the worst way to play dnd |
| 07:10.28 | Jerub | :P |
| 07:10.28 | Thunder_Child | though i would call it alpha |
| 07:10.37 | Thunder_Child | i'm playing a campaign of it now |
| 07:10.49 | awweaver | right now? |
| 07:11.09 | Thunder_Child | not at this minute, but yes i am in the middle of one |
| 07:11.14 | awweaver | ... |
| 07:11.35 | awweaver | and PONG |
| 07:11.40 | awweaver | | . |
| 07:11.41 | Jerub | am i the only person here who has been on irc while roleplaying? |
| 07:11.46 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.47 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 07:11.54 | awweaver | | . |
| 07:12.13 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.14 | Thunder_Child | but i get yelled at for doing it |
| 07:12.25 | awweaver | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.28 | awweaver | . |
| 07:12.29 | awweaver | ... |
| 07:12.32 | awweaver | y? |
| 07:12.36 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.43 | awweaver | lol |
| 07:12.53 | Shirik | wow |
| 07:12.55 | Shirik | stop cheating |
| 07:13.03 | awweaver | | . |
| 07:13.04 | Thunder_Child | because i am supposed to be paying attention to the game, not my touch |
| 07:13.23 | awweaver | Thunder_Child, stop touching yourself then |
| 07:13.42 | Thunder_Child | cute |
| 07:14.22 | awweaver | Yea, we have a RPS based LXG game.... |
| 07:15.00 | awweaver | or rather i am in one |
| 07:15.47 | NightHawkTheSane | oh snap, i just did 40% of the healing on marrowgar >.> |
| 07:16.10 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: 10 or 25? |
| 07:16.18 | Jerub | and what class? druid? |
| 07:16.27 | awweaver | I have a character who turn stuff invisible, people, things, himself, his power is expading |
| 07:16.44 | Jerub | awweaver: i want a character that turns stuff purple |
| 07:16.50 | krka | expading power is the best |
| 07:16.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: 10 shaman |
| 07:17.02 | awweaver | Jerub, so what they stop breathing? |
| 07:17.04 | krka | i expode all of the place yesterday |
| 07:17.16 | awweaver | krka, that soundswrong |
| 07:17.39 | krka | oops, it meant to say "over" |
| 07:18.06 | Thunder_Child | but 'expode' was correct? |
| 07:18.07 | Thunder_Child | fail |
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| 07:19.04 | awweaver | Umm, he turns stuff invisible, his power is getting more complex too, i turned a 400 yrd ship invisible for awhile last game |
| 07:20.55 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: oh, right. i like 2healing icc10 |
| 07:21.10 | awweaver | Armadillo Run is addicting |
| 07:21.18 | Jerub | awweaver: yeah, it's crazy stuff |
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| 07:24.10 | awweaver | Is this the same Elkano that did Elkano's Buff Bars? |
| 07:28.42 | Arrowmaster | try a whitewolf rpg with a good DM if you really want to have some fun |
| 07:29.31 | Torhal | DWSR: Foo? |
| 07:30.41 | Arrowmaster | i had a character that was playing lawn darts with nuclear warheads during one battle |
| 07:31.18 | Torhal | Elkano: Quick! You've been spotted! |
| 07:31.25 | Jerub | oh, who was the sexycooldown person? |
| 07:31.32 | Jerub | and why can't i install sexycooldowns with minion? |
| 07:31.34 | Torhal | Jerub: Antiarc |
| 07:31.42 | Jerub | Antiarc: why can't i install sexycooldowns with minion? |
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| 07:46.36 | Shadowed | Minion only pulls from WoWI, Sexycooldowns is only on Curse. |
| 07:47.32 | awweaver | I love going into the spectator levels and messign with them in Armadillo run |
| 07:47.42 | Jerub | Antiarc: Minion pulls from WoWI, Sexycooldowns is only on Curse. Put it on WoWI |
| 07:54.59 | awweaver | So... |
| 07:55.13 | awweaver | hears those crickets again |
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| 08:18.34 | Cairenn | lol @ xkcd |
| 08:19.17 | Landrell | cute :P |
| 08:19.46 | Thunder_Child | i likes it |
| 08:19.56 | Thunder_Child | must try theat the next time we meet |
| 08:20.14 | Shirik | Cairenn wtf |
| 08:20.15 | Shirik | go to sleep |
| 08:20.26 | Cairenn | no u! |
| 08:20.43 | Landrell | mixing die in various games is serious business! |
| 08:20.44 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shadowed -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Canadian celebration day is over, back to your regular programming! |
| 08:20.52 | Shadowed | it's only 12:20 AM |
| 08:21.09 | Thunder_Child | not everyone is in your timezone |
| 08:21.13 | Shadowed | yes they are |
| 08:21.18 | Shadowed | PST is the true timezone |
| 08:21.26 | Thunder_Child | well i am, but i dont count |
| 08:21.41 | Shirik | fires tachyon particles at Shadowed |
| 08:21.46 | Shadowed | ~lart Shirik |
| 08:21.46 | purl | installs a bad bootloader on Shirik and turns Shirik into a brick |
| 08:21.59 | Shadowed | throws Shirik-brick into the ocean |
| 08:22.24 | Shirik | :( |
| 08:22.36 | Shadowed | sleep with ze fishies |
| 08:23.43 | Landrell | aww |
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| 08:45.46 | Arrowmaster | http://xkcd.com/708/ |
| 08:46.38 | Shadowed | You're behind on the times Arrowmaster |
| 08:46.41 | Shadowed | Cairenn: beat you to it |
| 08:46.48 | Arrowmaster | damn |
| 08:47.09 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 08:48.27 | Arrowmaster | 'DivX | AC3 MP3 VBR | 13×175MB' something seems wrong about that |
| 08:48.56 | Shadowed | It's DivX?! |
| 08:49.09 | Thunder_Child | 2275 is either large or small depending, but the rest seems fine |
| 08:49.09 | Arrowmaster | that too |
| 08:49.20 | Arrowmaster | AC3 and MP3? |
| 08:49.31 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 08:49.34 | Thunder_Child | i have seen both |
| 08:52.22 | Landrell | http://www.recipestar.com/pages/bacon_life <---for Tekkub! |
| 09:08.59 | zenzio | that was too much for tekkub |
| 09:10.55 | Adys | attempts to remove Thunder_Child's pants |
| 09:15.12 | Landrell | lol |
| 09:15.16 | Landrell | sorry, I'm bored :) |
| 09:15.55 | Landrell | stumbling +3 a.m. + boredom = bad things |
| 09:18.12 | Shirik | Cairenn why are you so mean |
| 09:18.20 | Adys | attempts to remove Shirik's pants |
| 09:18.24 | Shirik | Shadowed threw me into the ocean and you don't even come to my defense |
| 09:18.40 | Shadowed | To be fair |
| 09:18.40 | Cairenn | dives in |
| 09:18.41 | Adys | I'll come to your defense Shriik |
| 09:18.43 | Shadowed | bricks don't have pants |
| 09:18.53 | NightHawkTheSane | you could make a little pair of pants for a brick |
| 09:19.01 | Shadowed | He's already at the bottom Cairenn, being slowly dissolved by the sea |
| 09:19.03 | Shadowed | you're too late |
| 09:19.22 | Adys | shes underwater |
| 09:19.24 | Adys | she cant hear you |
| 09:20.08 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "Esamynn, when did you become a Canadian?" - Shirik |
| 09:20.19 | Shirik | >.> |
| 09:20.20 | Shadowed | Esamynn|Away is a canadian? |
| 09:20.21 | Shadowed | burn it |
| 09:20.27 | Shadowed | burnnnnnn |
| 09:21.25 | Shirik | agrees with Shadowed |
| 09:22.28 | krka | what did i miss? 10:16:49 * Adys attempts to remove Shirik's pants 10:17:09 * Cairenn dives in |
| 09:22.36 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 09:22.37 | Shadowed | to Shirik's pants? |
| 09:22.42 | Shadowed | what |
| 09:23.17 | Adys | gives Shirik's pants to Kalroth |
| 09:23.29 | Shadowed | All pants must remain on their owners at all times |
| 09:23.51 | Adys | what if their owner was already not wearing them? |
| 09:23.51 | zenzio | we have to wear pants in here? I was never informed of this |
| 09:23.57 | Shadowed | only the men |
| 09:24.12 | Adys | Oh, sorry then |
| 09:24.21 | Adys | gets Shirik's pants back from Kalroth |
| 09:24.33 | Cairenn | runs around the channel and steals everyone's pants, "All your pants are belong to me!" |
| 09:24.52 | Adys | there's 134 other people in this channel Cairenn |
| 09:25.11 | Adys | at an average of 650g per pants |
| 09:25.14 | Adys | thats like... |
| 09:25.16 | Adys | 90kg? |
| 09:25.22 | zenzio | that's a lot of gold |
| 09:25.25 | Cairenn | points at the "everyone's"! |
| 09:25.33 | Shadowed | I think he means weight not gold |
| 09:25.35 | krka | 3) profit! |
| 09:25.40 | Kalroth | My pants! |
| 09:25.49 | zenzio | Shadowed: surely by now you know that I'm all about twisting words |
| 09:25.50 | Shadowed | but you can't tell with Adys |
| 09:26.00 | Shadowed | zenzio: it's like 1:30 AM |
| 09:26.05 | Shadowed | you're lucky I don't mistake you for a tree |
| 09:26.07 | Cairenn | I have been stealing pants since EQ came out, deal |
| 09:26.08 | zenzio | I twist words at any time of day |
| 09:26.11 | Adys | I'd definitely give you 650g to get you to remove your pants tbh |
| 09:26.17 | Adys | and I'm of course speaking to Shadowed |
| 09:26.35 | Shadowed | are you going to Blizzcon this year |
| 09:26.39 | Adys | yes! |
| 09:26.40 | zenzio | so what Cairenn is saying is that Everquest drives people into the pant-theft business? |
| 09:26.40 | Shadowed | I'm going to dump you in mexico if so |
| 09:26.43 | Shadowed | excellent |
| 09:26.45 | Shadowed | Do you like mexico? |
| 09:26.52 | Adys | I love it! |
| 09:26.53 | Kalroth | Mexico doesn't like Adys |
| 09:26.59 | Shadowed | excellent |
| 09:27.00 | Adys | Fuck off, they love me down there too. |
| 09:27.14 | Kalroth | No they don't, they kicked you out once already! |
| 09:27.25 | Adys | now realizes the double meaning of that sentence |
| 09:27.27 | Torhal | Cairenn: You've ruined your own pants, you'll not ruin mine! |
| 09:27.39 | Cairenn | Torhal: lol |
| 09:27.39 | Torhal | Er...lands |
| 09:27.42 | Torhal | :D |
| 09:27.43 | Adys | ruins Torhal's pants before Cairenn gets to them |
| 09:27.44 | krka | Brick: want to come to the pants party? |
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| 09:28.43 | Fippy_Darkpaw | Fffrrroooaaakkk! |
| 09:28.47 | Fippy_Darkpaw | Er, wait... |
| 09:29.05 | Cairenn | hahahhahahaha |
| 09:29.21 | Cairenn | Grr. Bark. Bark. Grr. |
| 09:29.23 | Shadowed | I see it is the time of night where you guys get all crazy |
| 09:29.35 | Shadowed | I shall take my leave and drift into the realm of unconsciousness! |
| 09:29.37 | Torhal | EverQuest, man. EverQuest. |
| 09:29.52 | Adys | s/\(\[(.+)\])/\($1\)/ |
| 09:29.54 | Cairenn | or, as we would sometimes say at insane hours while we were waiting for whatever boss to pop |
| 09:29.56 | Adys | yay for regexes |
| 09:30.04 | Cairenn | Brr. Gark. Gark. Brr! |
| 09:30.09 | Torhal | Heh |
| 09:30.14 | Cairenn | and for some odd reason, it was hilarious |
| 09:30.22 | Torhal | Cairenn: Google "booby taunt" |
| 09:30.26 | Cairenn | probably having to do with the hour |
| 09:30.30 | Cairenn | Torhal: hahahaha |
| 09:30.32 | Cairenn | don't need to |
| 09:30.34 | Torhal | :D |
| 09:30.40 | Adys | taunts Torhal's boobies |
| 09:31.02 | zenzio | leave his birds alone |
| 09:31.12 | Adys | http://www.akibaos.com/img/2007/08/07/20070807z02.jpg |
| 09:31.18 | Adys | 1st result for google image's booby taunt |
| 09:31.26 | Adys | all the others are totally nsfw |
| 09:31.35 | zenzio | wonder why |
| 09:31.46 | Adys | coincidentally so am I |
| 09:32.30 | Shadowed | Breasts aren't big enough, they should be the size of bowling balls at least |
| 09:32.37 | Shadowed | possibly larger |
| 09:32.49 | Adys | Shadowed, please dont make me link the rest of the results |
| 09:33.02 | Shadowed | Go for it, I'm going to sleep |
| 09:33.06 | Shadowed | you can make Cairenn smite you! |
| 09:33.18 | Cairenn | night Shadowed |
| 09:33.25 | Shadowed | night Cairenn |
| 09:33.30 | Adys | night Cairenn |
| 09:33.44 | Cairenn | you going to sleep also, Adys? |
| 09:33.51 | Adys | I'm sleeping right now |
| 09:33.58 | Cairenn | duh, of course |
| 09:34.04 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 09:34.04 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 09:34.12 | krka | hmm... speaking of regexpes, how do i capture any two characters next to each other? |
| 09:34.14 | Adys | someone hasnt been updating |
| 09:34.23 | krka | captured seperately |
| 09:34.35 | Adys | ~krka |
| 09:34.36 | purl | hmm... krka is a retired addon coder. made AutoTravel, MapLibrary and FAIAP |
| 09:34.37 | Adys | ~krka++ |
| 09:34.47 | eidolarr | haha is that a joke? |
| 09:35.12 | krka | ++? |
| 09:35.24 | Adys | ~karma krka |
| 09:35.24 | purl | krka has karma of 5 |
| 09:35.45 | krka | O_o |
| 09:35.54 | Adys | ~karma php |
| 09:35.54 | purl | php has neutral karma |
| 09:35.57 | Adys | ~php-- |
| 09:36.30 | Adys | also krka |
| 09:36.34 | Adys | to answer your question |
| 09:36.51 | Kalroth | ~php++ |
| 09:36.58 | Kalroth | ~python-- |
| 09:36.59 | Adys | ([a-z0-9 ])([a-z0-9 ]) |
| 09:37.09 | Adys | you of course should enable case insensitivity |
| 09:37.16 | eidolarr | that wouldn't catch $ though! |
| 09:37.21 | Adys | thats ok |
| 09:37.27 | Adys | ~karma python |
| 09:37.27 | purl | python has karma of 14 |
| 09:37.35 | Adys | thats going to be hard to beat Kalroth |
| 09:37.37 | Adys | ~python++ |
| 09:37.49 | Shirik | ~python-- |
| 09:37.54 | Adys | ~shirik-- |
| 09:38.00 | zenzio | I think krka is fishing for the boobie-regexp |
| 09:38.00 | Kalroth | ~adys-- |
| 09:38.14 | krka | sorry Adys that doesn't match all characters, just alphanumeric |
| 09:38.15 | Adys | ~kalroth±± |
| 09:38.16 | Shirik | !quote PRIVMSG #wowuidev :~shirik++ |
| 09:38.16 | batbot | Shirik, privmsg has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 09:38.16 | EDI | ~shirik++ |
| 09:38.42 | Kalroth | purl: python is a silly script language, visual basic 5.0 is better! |
| 09:38.43 | purl | ACTION sends a jittery python to attack is a silly script language, visual basic 5.0 is better!. |
| 09:38.45 | zenzio | you know Shirik, it's just not cool when we can see you triggering it |
| 09:38.59 | Kalroth | man, I forgot how to add to purl :( |
| 09:39.00 | Shirik | I don't want to hide my awesomeness |
| 09:39.01 | Adys | ~purl++ |
| 09:39.13 | zenzio | there is no awesomeness to hide |
| 09:39.22 | Adys | !quote Shirik boobies |
| 09:39.22 | batbot | Adys, shirik has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 09:39.30 | Adys | !quote Shirik (.)(.) |
| 09:39.30 | batbot | Adys, shirik has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 09:39.36 | Adys | ah well f off then |
| 09:39.48 | Adys | !quote Shirik .+ |
| 09:39.48 | batbot | Adys, shirik has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 09:39.48 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+qq *!*@batbytes.com *!~batbot@*] by EDI |
| 09:39.54 | Adys | yeah well |
| 09:39.56 | Shirik | .... |
| 09:39.56 | Adys | thats deserved |
| 09:40.07 | zenzio | see? Your awesomeness is seriously lacking |
| 09:40.19 | Kalroth | poor batbot |
| 09:40.29 | Kalroth | shirikbot is talking over! |
| 09:40.55 | zenzio | Shirik's bots are always messing with the other bots |
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| 09:41.43 | Adys | ~karma purl |
| 09:41.43 | purl | purl has karma of 38 |
| 09:41.46 | Adys | ~karma infobot |
| 09:41.46 | purl | infobot has karma of 5 |
| 09:41.50 | Shirik | !reload |
| 09:41.50 | EDI | Cannot reload AI. Using fail safes. ai.lua:285: '}' expected (to close '{' at line 282) near '"batbot!~batbot@batbytes.com"' |
| 09:41.56 | zenzio | lol |
| 09:42.06 | Shirik | !reload |
| 09:42.07 | EDI | Cannot reload AI. Using fail safes. ai.lua:285: '}' expected (to close '{' at line 282) near '"batbot!~batbot@batbytes.com"' |
| 09:42.10 | Shirik | DU |
| 09:42.10 | Kalroth | haha |
| 09:42.11 | Shirik | FU |
| 09:42.18 | Shirik | !reload |
| 09:42.18 | EDI | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 09:42.20 | Adys | D you too Shirik |
| 09:42.51 | Adys | whats a hostmask doing in an ai.lua file shirik tbh |
| 09:42.55 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-qq+q *!*@batbytes.com *!~batbot@* Adys!*@*] by Shirik |
| 09:43.32 | Kalroth | Adys: he hardcoded the qq! |
| 09:43.54 | *** part/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
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| 09:44.04 | Adys` | ~shirik-- |
| 09:44.22 | Shirik | you know I was being nice in making it such that only your nick was silenced |
| 09:44.47 | Adys` | Yes, everyone knows you're always so nice |
| 09:45.24 | Shirik | I am! |
| 09:45.51 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-q Adys!*@*] by Shirik |
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| 09:47.32 | zenzio | I find the spinning color-wheel of death amusing |
| 09:47.35 | zenzio | and highly irritating |
| 09:47.44 | Adys` | I prefer the spinning cogwheel of death |
| 09:47.45 | Landrell | http://www.break.com/index/it-guy-vs-dumb-employees.html <---For you IT Guys out there! |
| 09:47.55 | zenzio | I haven't encountered that one Adys` |
| 09:53.09 | Adys` | Landrell: is this guy running ubuntu, mac os x and windows xp on the same computer or |
| 09:55.36 | Kalroth | I run Ubuntu, BeOS and TOS on the same computer! |
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| 09:58.35 | krka | old but good |
| 10:08.51 | Landrell | To be honest, I couldn't tell you. I just happened to stumble across it. Not really an afficiando of OS's. |
| 10:10.11 | Landrell | But put me infront of an old Commodore 128, and I'll be right at home! |
| 10:11.29 | Shirik | I am an afficianado of C++ |
| 10:13.13 | eidolarr | C++ is too indulgent |
| 10:13.15 | eidolarr | C WOOO |
| 10:13.20 | Shirik | ok sleeptime |
| 10:13.24 | Shirik | also, C sucks |
| 10:13.25 | Shirik | that is all |
| 10:13.30 | eidolarr | ANSI C |
| 10:13.33 | Shirik | no |
| 10:13.37 | Shirik | all C sucks |
| 10:13.40 | Shirik | C++ only |
| 10:13.41 | Shirik | C++03 |
| 10:13.46 | Shirik | will rule you all |
| 10:13.51 | eidolarr | is that better than 0x |
| 10:13.53 | Shirik | and C++0x |
| 10:14.00 | eidolarr | oh |
| 10:14.17 | Shirik | C++0x is judgement day of programming languages |
| 10:14.32 | Shirik | on its finalization, all other languages will be cast into the fiery pits of hell |
| 10:14.42 | Elkano | c++0x? C++1x! ;) |
| 10:14.55 | Shirik | nah |
| 10:14.57 | Shirik | C++0x |
| 10:15.00 | Shirik | C++0a |
| 10:15.01 | eidolarr | forth can stick around for giggles on that day though right |
| 10:15.05 | Adys | C++0x? C++DNF! |
| 10:15.16 | Elkano | C++NaN |
| 10:15.30 | Shirik | Hey at least we're not python v1.0.8.letstieanotherhackonhere.3.41.24.__ |
| 10:15.38 | Adys | ...? |
| 10:15.51 | Adys | if you're gonna do a joke do it right |
| 10:15.56 | Shirik | python is nearly as hackish as PHP |
| 10:15.59 | Adys | python doesnt have any sub-minor version number |
| 10:16.12 | Adys | im running 2.6.4 right now |
| 10:16.24 | Shirik | you aren't getting what I'm saying |
| 10:16.27 | eidolarr | they should do versioning in unary |
| 10:16.31 | eidolarr | every new version just add another .1 |
| 10:16.31 | Shirik | they just choose to throw in features because |
| 10:16.54 | Shirik | need. standards. |
| 10:17.01 | zenzio | anyone recall the drama surrounding WoW htiting 1.10 instead of 2.0? |
| 10:17.01 | Shirik | and now sleep |
| 10:17.04 | Adys | i dont get it shirik |
| 10:17.21 | eidolarr | he thniks he can just go on and sleep |
| 10:17.24 | eidolarr | HA |
| 10:17.35 | Shirik | I can't |
| 10:17.39 | Shirik | I am just like Cairenn |
| 10:17.42 | Adys | http://www.python.org/download/ |
| 10:17.53 | Adys | does this look like insane versioning to you? |
| 10:18.03 | Adys | if it does just say so, ill phone a med |
| 10:18.04 | Shirik | Adys, you really aren't getting what I'm saying at all |
| 10:18.08 | Shirik | this has nothing to do with version numbers |
| 10:18.11 | Adys | then what are you saying? |
| 10:18.12 | Shirik | and has everything to do with instability |
| 10:18.20 | Shirik | the decision to just tie on features because they can |
| 10:18.36 | Shirik | Anyway, I am now shutting my laptop screen and only certain phrases will ping me |
| 10:18.37 | Adys | ... i think you're confusing with some other language |
| 10:18.47 | Shirik | You are welcome to try to find out what they are, but you won't |
| 10:18.52 | Elkano | how about (La)TeX? wasn't it nearing e with it's version number? |
| 10:18.52 | eidolarr | well to be fair, tying on a feature because you can is better than doing so because you cant |
| 10:18.57 | Shirik | (No, "Shirik" is not one of them) |
| 10:19.39 | zenzio | IEEE |
| 10:19.46 | zenzio | watche Shirik's computer ping |
| 10:19.51 | zenzio | +s |
| 10:20.18 | Adys | if I were an ass, I'd try matt, matthew, mpb, EDI and kirihs |
| 10:20.26 | Adys | but I dont feel like it |
| 10:22.55 | Cairenn | ZOMG Chow Chow Puppy of Cuteness! |
| 10:23.04 | Cairenn | http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/various/chowchowpuppy.jpg |
| 10:23.22 | zenzio | :) |
| 10:23.31 | Adys | chows on Cairenn's links |
| 10:23.34 | zenzio | they should make a druid form out of that |
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| 10:24.02 | Adys | i rarely find dogs cutes |
| 10:24.06 | Adys | I'm just a cat person i guess |
| 10:24.13 | Cairenn | squees of happy cuteness of chow chow puppy |
| 10:28.07 | Adys | this is sort of surprising nevcairiel |
| 10:29.14 | Adys | What would you think is faster, 1000 f.read(4), or one f.read(40000) and 10000 times data = f[cursor:cursor+4] |
| 10:29.43 | Adys | (one zero lacking here) |
| 10:33.14 | Elkano | depends on read ahead and disk usage I'd say |
| 10:34.00 | Adys | anyone who uses cStringIO a lot in python? |
| 10:36.43 | foxlit | That's quite a pyramid of abstractions there. |
| 10:37.06 | foxlit | python -> c -> stdio -> system calls -> FS -> IO drivers, and each step may or may not cache larger chunks. |
| 10:37.19 | Grum | Adys: i reckon the 'f.read(40000)' will do caching/splitting it up in proper blocks itself |
| 10:38.32 | Wobin | http://notalwaysright.com/mrs-understanding/4483 |
| 10:38.45 | Elkano | foxlit, you forgot the drive itself ^^ |
| 10:38.47 | Grum | hmm i think getting large chunks and then doing some more manual work is better than getting a lot of small chunks and praying your os has proper caching methods :) |
| 10:40.21 | Adys | thats what Id think to |
| 10:40.23 | Adys | too |
| 10:40.52 | Adys | but using list indexes like this is insane and annoying |
| 10:41.06 | Grum | abstract it away and pray that python optimizes enough ;) |
| 10:41.14 | Adys | well |
| 10:41.17 | Adys | thats what StringIO does |
| 10:41.26 | Adys | just wondering if its worth it |
| 10:41.30 | foxlit | Better yet, write C to read C-like things :) |
| 10:41.54 | Adys | with cStringIO you're mostly dealing with C code |
| 10:42.18 | Adys | the only layer you have is the python compiled interpreter |
| 10:42.18 | foxlit | Wonder if I need to update my memtest cd. |
| 10:42.29 | foxlit | It seems to identify q9650 as a pentium 3. |
| 10:42.39 | Adys | sounds reasonable |
| 10:45.19 | zenzio | I'd think the bigger question is whether your CPU at all matters for RAM tests |
| 10:45.32 | zenzio | I doubt memtest will go "oh, you have a P3? I'll just limit myself to 500 MHz" |
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| 10:46.53 | foxlit | It's not so much the frequency as the caches that could prove annoying. |
| 10:47.52 | foxlit | "Hey, you have a P3. Those things have not more than 1MB of L2, let's access 1MB of unrelated data to clear the cache prior to accessing the test cell" |
| 10:48.24 | zenzio | does memtest actually do such things? I've obviously never looked into the details |
| 10:48.51 | foxlit | I have no idea. It has to bypass the cache somehow, or it isn't actually testing RAM. |
| 10:49.15 | foxlit | There may well be instructions for that, however. |
| 10:53.52 | Wobin | http://weburbanist.com/2010/01/06/38-snowmen-nightmares-calvin-and-hobbes-in-real-life/ |
| 10:54.31 | foxlit | win. |
| 10:55.38 | zenzio | oh man, I loved those comic strips |
| 10:55.39 | olafski | haha |
| 10:55.46 | olafski | there are some really cool ones in there :) |
| 10:55.50 | zenzio | wonder if I can find the complete Calvin and Hobbes somewhere |
| 10:55.51 | olafski | oh, pun not intended :( |
| 10:56.01 | foxlit | zenzio: there's a three-book set on amazon |
| 10:56.06 | foxlit | It's quite awesome. |
| 10:56.14 | zenzio | foxlit: thanks, I'll have a look =) |
| 10:56.30 | foxlit | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Calvin-Hobbes-v/dp/0740748475/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267440984&sr=8-1 |
| 10:57.37 | zenzio | ooh, hardcover and everything :-o It's not even that expensive |
| 10:58.01 | zenzio | also The Complete Far Side :-o~~~ |
| 10:58.35 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1611 |
| 10:59.01 | zenzio | heh |
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| 11:24.58 | foxlit | zenzio: updating helped. |
| 11:25.15 | foxlit | My previous version reported RAM bandwidth corresponding to that of the L2 cache in the newer version. |
| 11:25.41 | zenzio | foxlit: interesting. But I never remember where I put my memtest CDs anyway, so I always download a new version :-p |
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| 12:02.22 | Wobin | HM |
| 12:02.25 | Wobin | 1.5K Latency |
| 12:02.35 | Wobin | makes for very careful dps |
| 12:02.54 | Wobin | cause the healer is over a second behind everyone else =P |
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| 12:28.58 | Torhal | Wobin: Stop downloading porn then. |
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| 12:47.07 | Cide | Wobin: start downloading porn then. |
| 12:47.42 | Wobin | I have to agree with Cide. |
| 12:47.47 | Wobin | If I'm going to have terrible latency |
| 12:47.54 | Wobin | I might as well have something to show for it |
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| 14:07.13 | olafski | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/nonplayer/nonplayer-2009-10-08.aspx :D |
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| 14:11.52 | harl | wuff |
| 14:12.23 | olafski | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/nonplayer/nonplayer-2009-11-10.aspx is nice too.. I like how they called that website "pretentiousbastards" |
| 14:24.40 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/03/01/funny-pictures-cat-is-der-a-pwayce/ |
| 14:27.06 | robotusch | :3 |
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| 14:35.22 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/taxi_sign.jpg |
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| 14:54.15 | cog|sleep | spins of death |
| 14:54.36 | ScytheBlade1 | sleep spins of death? |
| 14:54.38 | ScytheBlade1 | what |
| 14:54.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 14:54.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ??? |
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| 14:54.53 | cogwheel | 01:47 < Adys`> I prefer the spinning cogwheel of death |
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| 15:12.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 15:16.38 | ScytheBlade1 | http://i.imgur.com/n8Dpp.jpg |
| 15:16.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ seen when I walked in the door |
| 15:17.11 | mikma | ollllldddd |
| 15:20.18 | ScytheBlade1 | nah, brand new actually, as I took that photo |
| 15:21.23 | mikma | http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1757264 |
| 15:21.31 | mikma | From Dustin on May 4, 2007 |
| 15:22.13 | mikma | http://www.rlslog.net/va-almost-alice-2010-h5n1/ |
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| 15:23.37 | mikma | kaelten: flooder! |
| 15:23.45 | Kaelten | :P |
| 15:23.49 | Kaelten | my irc client hates me |
| 15:23.56 | Kaelten | WTB non sucky IRC client |
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| 15:24.05 | batrick | Anybody else get super raged by Chrome opening a bottom pane for downloads in the browser window that doesn't go away unless you manually close it |
| 15:24.30 | batrick | For an otherwise clean browser, that's super fucking annoying |
| 15:26.31 | mikma | aye |
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| 15:30.06 | mikma | http://www.rlslog.net/sail-simulator-2010-skidrow/ |
| 15:30.12 | mikma | the most thrilling game ever |
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| 15:31.17 | mikma | http://www.sailsimulator.com/ |
| 15:31.19 | mikma | hahaha :D |
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| 15:35.35 | Kaso | prepare to have your mind blown |
| 15:35.37 | Kaso | http://i47.tinypic.com/rr0ck2.gif |
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| 15:36.44 | batrick | mind hath been blown |
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| 15:41.21 | Kraps | morning gusy |
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| 15:42.52 | Kraps | holy crap its march 1st |
| 15:44.19 | Ackis | all day |
| 15:47.32 | ckknight | o noes! |
| 15:47.42 | Ackis | guess what? |
| 15:47.46 | Ackis | Tomorrow is March 2nd. |
| 15:47.50 | ckknight | eep |
| 15:48.24 | zenzelezz | if you have an old PS3 it may be 29th February |
| 15:50.53 | zenzelezz | funky, Windows Security Essentials has detected a potential threat (Win32/PowerRegScheduler) in a file downloaded from Steam (Splinter Cell) |
| 15:57.42 | doc-saintly | zenzelezz: it's not necessarily a security threat. MSE flags files that it's never seen before and asks if you will submit it for review |
| 15:58.00 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 15:58.01 | Fisker | you |
| 15:58.11 | zenzelezz | yeah, I read up on it on the site MSE linked to |
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| 15:58.18 | Fisker | you zenzelezz |
| 15:58.29 | zenzelezz | but I find it funny because I consider such applications (registration reminders) pretty bad :-p |
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| 16:09.23 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/12730334502-narru-looks-like-maori--tribe-tattoos.html |
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| 16:10.42 | Fisker | hey kraftman |
| 16:10.46 | Fisker | damn you kraftman i mean Kraps |
| 16:11.40 | kraftman | :( |
| 16:12.13 | Kraps | hey Fisker |
| 16:12.23 | Kraps | lrn2tab |
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| 16:20.14 | shifuimam | hallo doc-saintly |
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| 16:23.34 | cog|away | haipeppeppy! |
| 16:24.26 | Lopeppeppy | sickpeppy |
| 16:24.35 | cog|work | :( |
| 16:25.46 | alestane | I'm miserable, you can be my company. |
| 16:29.13 | Adys | if you want company, I know a bunch of miserable people |
| 16:29.18 | Adys | theres even some in this very channel |
| 16:29.46 | Adys | Cide: http://dpaste.com/166423/ |
| 16:29.47 | Adys | \o/ |
| 16:34.43 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLiyglcRcCA |
| 16:36.40 | haste | Fisker: lol, touhou |
| 16:38.54 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqH43tDiHjE awesome games are awesome~ |
| 16:42.30 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/03/01/update-keylogger-source-identified/ |
| 16:44.13 | p3lim | Need a good name for an addon that deals with picklocking, any suggestions? |
| 16:44.28 | Kraps | lolwowmatrixlol |
| 16:44.54 | p3lim | Doubth it'll go through to addon sites then :p |
| 16:45.58 | Ackis | p3lim: nosepicker |
| 16:46.16 | p3lim | Ackis: good one :) |
| 16:46.41 | Ackis | knowspicker could be funny too |
| 16:48.01 | Ackis | olafski: you need to get xbox gold |
| 16:49.38 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
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| 16:51.47 | mikma | gas |
| 16:51.51 | alestane | "Love is giving someone the power to hurt you terribly, and hoping they don't." |
| 16:52.49 | Lunessa | Nothing like having an embarrassing comment given longer life in the channel topic, eh? |
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| 16:55.52 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 16:56.05 | alestane | This is both cheesy and hilarious: http://www.threepanelsoul.com/view.php?date=2007-11-06 |
| 16:56.09 | Lopeppeppy | what else is topic for? |
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| 17:03.48 | doc-saintly | is it possible to run a system program from LUA? |
| 17:04.07 | foxlit | Lua, yes, WoW, no. |
| 17:07.04 | doc-saintly | hmm. does the same go for RoM? |
| 17:07.28 | alestane | The Lua built-in libs include an os.execute command for running shell scripts, but WoW does not expose this command to its Lua sandbox (and may not even compile it). |
| 17:07.30 | Shadowed | I'd be amazed if they let you do something as insecure as run system programs |
| 17:07.46 | alestane | That could only end poorly. |
| 17:07.50 | foxlit | os.execute("sudo rm -fr /"), clearly |
| 17:09.12 | alestane | foxlit: Thankfully, that won't work unless it actually opens a terminal or your sysadmin is a flaming idiot. |
| 17:09.36 | doc-saintly | Shadowed: well, insecure is based on the developer |
| 17:09.48 | Shadowed | Hrm? |
| 17:09.50 | doc-saintly | it also blocks off a lot of great opportunities |
| 17:09.56 | Shadowed | No, it's just insecure |
| 17:10.10 | doc-saintly | Sorry, i can't agree with that. But thanks for the info. |
| 17:10.27 | nevcairiel | Games, as a general rule, block communication with the outside world. |
| 17:10.35 | doc-saintly | indeed |
| 17:10.45 | Shadowed | No sane person is going to let something they can't control execute shell commands. All it takes is one slip up and you have customers hating on you for letting something get deleted |
| 17:11.05 | doc-saintly | Shadowed: except that addons are not the responsibility of the game maker. |
| 17:11.11 | doc-saintly | and i didn't say it wasn't a cause for insecurities |
| 17:11.17 | Shadowed | That would go over well |
| 17:11.21 | nevcairiel | Tell that to the users that got stuff deleted |
| 17:11.26 | nevcairiel | they complain to the GMs |
| 17:11.26 | doc-saintly | but blatantly saying that every single possibility is an insecurity is a bit rash |
| 17:11.28 | nevcairiel | not the authors |
| 17:11.36 | Lunessa | "Anything that doesn't let me do whatever the fuck I want is a poor decision on the developer's part, especially if what I want is seriously hazardous." |
| 17:11.37 | Shadowed | It's the truth |
| 17:11.48 | doc-saintly | maybe i want to run a cmd line browser so i can display a website in the game |
| 17:11.52 | Ackis | if user == doc-saintly then os.execute("download child pr0n"); os.execute("call police") end |
| 17:11.54 | Ackis | keke |
| 17:12.01 | Shadowed | And maybe you want to delete all of the files on the users computer |
| 17:12.05 | doc-saintly | Ackis: again, you have the same risk with any file you download from the web. |
| 17:12.12 | Ackis | doc-saintly: no |
| 17:12.13 | Shadowed | Well no |
| 17:12.17 | doc-saintly | Shadowed: indeed, MAYBE. but you're saying it as if it is 100% of the time |
| 17:12.19 | foxlit | nevcairiel: to be fair, the things people would complain to GMs about are possible even with wow's limitations on addons |
| 17:12.24 | Shadowed | If you download a JPG, you aren't going to have every file deleted |
| 17:12.34 | Shadowed | (Short of some bad JPG exploit, but in general) |
| 17:12.42 | doc-saintly | Shadowed: well, there's the rub |
| 17:12.45 | doc-saintly | there's an exploit for everything |
| 17:12.47 | doc-saintly | nothing is safe. |
| 17:12.54 | doc-saintly | people use to think PDFs were safe. |
| 17:13.03 | nevcairiel | doc-saintly: if you start allowing os.execute in a .lua file, its more insecure then before? right? so we can conclude that os.execute is insecure! |
| 17:13.07 | Shadowed | People also used to think that putting lead on their faces was a good idea :P |
| 17:13.09 | doc-saintly | but either way, i didn't come here to troll. |
| 17:13.17 | doc-saintly | thanks for the info. |
| 17:13.21 | Ackis | but you are |
| 17:13.23 | Ackis | lulz |
| 17:13.25 | Ackis | :P |
| 17:13.36 | Ackis | the issue is that anyone can create addons |
| 17:13.36 | doc-saintly | Shadowed: actually. a recent study shows that in small doses it's good for you XD |
| 17:14.07 | doc-saintly | Ackis: I understand the risks and why they wouldn't do it. |
| 17:16.18 | Ackis | then why are you arguing that it's a good idea? of course there are benefits, but the risks far outweigh them |
| 17:17.19 | doc-saintly | Ackis: i wasn't arguing that. |
| 17:17.45 | doc-saintly | i was saying that making a blanket statement about it being 100% insecure is bold. however, i think you were saying it from a systems standpoint, and not on the level of the individual developer |
| 17:17.59 | doc-saintly | But. on to the next question. are you able to write / read a text file? |
| 17:18.07 | Ackis | indirectly |
| 17:18.16 | Ackis | you can read from saved variables |
| 17:18.18 | nevcairiel | short answer: no |
| 17:18.20 | Ackis | which are text files |
| 17:18.22 | Shadowed | It's true. You cannot lock down something that runs system commands in a game, without putting more work into locking it down than you gain from it. |
| 17:18.26 | nevcairiel | you have no outside communication |
| 17:18.27 | Fisker | lol wtf |
| 17:18.32 | Ackis | you can only write to them on a reload UI |
| 17:18.33 | nevcairiel | short of the provided facilities |
| 17:18.36 | Cide | lua> (22*16 + 90/16) + (9*16 + 160/16) + (32*16 + 84/16) + (9*16 + 155/16) + (11*16 + 250/16) |
| 17:18.38 | Fisker | a blue editing a keylogger post and locking it instead of just postwiping |
| 17:18.41 | lua_bot | Cide: 1374.1875 |
| 17:18.56 | Shadowed | Ackis: If you write 50 KB to the chat, you can force it to flush the chat log buffer! |
| 17:19.11 | doc-saintly | Ackis: interesting. i've already thought of away around it though XD |
| 17:19.48 | nevcairiel | You're addon will violate the addon policy and be banned then, though |
| 17:20.16 | Ackis | you are addon |
| 17:20.24 | Ackis | all your base belong to me |
| 17:20.26 | nevcairiel | ~lart Ackis |
| 17:20.27 | purl | wallops Ackis with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 17:21.14 | Ackis | http://twitter.com/jpasula/status/9829254701 |
| 17:21.42 | Fisker | man who is that twat? |
| 17:21.54 | Ackis | some douche named Thomas I think |
| 17:21.55 | ZorbaTHut | doc, opening up an os.execute() windows would have vast security repercussions. you can easily write a UI mod that runs arbitrary code sent to it from ingame. the security issues with this should be obvious |
| 17:22.21 | ZorbaTHut | if they did want to do it - and I think you could make an argument that it could be useful - they'd have to set up a rather complex security system, kind of like java applets have, to request permission from the user. It's questionable if that would be worthwhile. |
| 17:22.31 | ZorbaTHut | (i do wish they had http support though, they can lock it behind a similar system to eve online's) |
| 17:22.58 | Shadowed | It's not really the same, EVE-Online doesn't have addons so what they have to lock is different |
| 17:23.10 | Shadowed | unless they added addons in the past 3 years |
| 17:23.18 | doc-saintly | Shadowed: not that i know of |
| 17:23.18 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: "When leveling up Sheppad or any of you team you can receive unlimited squad points. When you get ready to level up a trait to level four press the A and X button at the same time. You will be given the level four trait but will keep your points." ME2 on xbox |
| 17:23.26 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, they don't, but they do have a system where websites can request private data from the eve client |
| 17:23.32 | ZorbaTHut | and it brings up a window saying "hey is this okay y/n" |
| 17:23.43 | doc-saintly | ZorbaTHut: i made a few "mods" for the game using that :D |
| 17:23.47 | ZorbaTHut | wouldn't be too much of a leap to change it to "hey addon X wants to communicate with the GREAT UNKNOWN, is this okay y/n" |
| 17:23.56 | ZorbaTHut | doc, yeah, it's a spectacular feature |
| 17:23.57 | doc-saintly | to allow a clan to track space cans floating in space. |
| 17:24.04 | ZorbaTHut | one of the really clever bits of design in that game |
| 17:24.33 | doc-saintly | the thought i had was to create a UI panel that would display "encoded" information, take a screenshot, and have an external client reading these screenshots |
| 17:24.49 | doc-saintly | but this would of course violate the rules |
| 17:25.01 | durcyn | you don't even have to do it with screenshots. |
| 17:25.12 | Shadowed | And lagging your client for a second for the screenshot isn't very useful anyway |
| 17:26.35 | Ackis | if you have a PS3 Sony is advising you not to use it right now lulz |
| 17:26.49 | ZorbaTHut | dammit I have a friend coming over in five hours |
| 17:26.52 | ZorbaTHut | we were gonna play video games |
| 17:26.53 | ZorbaTHut | :( |
| 17:27.01 | Ackis | lies |
| 17:27.06 | Ackis | you have no friends! |
| 17:27.11 | Ackis | (get an xbox 360) |
| 17:27.19 | durcyn | (get a job, buy both consoles) |
| 17:27.32 | durcyn | also, leap year bugs really, seriously sony, really? |
| 17:27.41 | ZorbaTHut | I've got one, actually, I was probably going to end up showing off Bayonetta anyway |
| 17:27.47 | ZorbaTHut | I wanted to try Heavy Rain though :( |
| 17:27.50 | Ackis | if I had $1 bazillion I still wouldn't buy a PS3 |
| 17:27.51 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: German debit cards at the start of the year. fun stuff. |
| 17:27.57 | ZorbaTHut | also, both? last time I checked there were four major consoles ;) |
| 17:28.03 | Ackis | 4? |
| 17:28.08 | Ackis | I thought there were 3 |
| 17:28.11 | ZorbaTHut | DS |
| 17:28.15 | Ackis | handheld |
| 17:28.16 | Gnarfoz | DS is a fucking handheld |
| 17:28.17 | Ackis | not console |
| 17:28.20 | ZorbaTHut | still a console |
| 17:28.21 | durcyn | ZorbaTHut: the dichotomy presented by Ackis was Sony vs Microsoft |
| 17:28.35 | Ackis | then you need to count the PSP |
| 17:28.42 | Ackis | had a game gear |
| 17:28.43 | Ackis | it rocked |
| 17:28.44 | ZorbaTHut | in no way is the PSP still major :P |
| 17:28.46 | durcyn | ZorbaTHut: also, everyone i know with a wii gets bored of it after about a month anyway |
| 17:28.51 | durcyn | so, there. |
| 17:29.05 | Ackis | durcyn: not with the Wii Dildo Attachment |
| 17:29.10 | ZorbaTHut | durcyn, eh. I've been bored of each console, I keep going back to each one for one reason or another |
| 17:29.19 | ZorbaTHut | last wii game I played was new SMB wii, that was worthwhile. |
| 17:29.25 | ZorbaTHut | super mario galaxy 2 will be fantastic as well |
| 17:29.29 | durcyn | Ackis: I wasn't aware you could be attached to a wiimote. |
| 17:29.34 | Ackis | lol |
| 17:29.39 | Ackis | I couldn't stand SMG1 |
| 17:29.47 | Ackis | I couldn't beat the plant boss |
| 17:29.53 | Ackis | so I got mad and threw the wiimote |
| 17:30.00 | ZorbaTHut | SMG2 is supposed to be much harder |
| 17:30.01 | durcyn | NSBMW is good, yes. you don't really do jokes, do you. |
| 17:30.03 | ZorbaTHut | I am looking forward to it :D |
| 17:30.09 | olafski | ackis: why? |
| 17:31.05 | Ackis | olafski: so you and I can play castle crashers together! |
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| 17:35.22 | olafski | I dislike multiplayer games... :) |
| 17:35.34 | olafski | except if it's local |
| 17:35.45 | Ackis | yeah but I need the achievements and there's too many cheaters in that game right now |
| 17:36.09 | olafski | find someone who cares about achievements ;) |
| 17:36.14 | olafski | what do the cheaters do? oO |
| 17:36.32 | Ackis | there's a glitch that lets you get a level 256 character |
| 17:38.17 | olafski | >_< |
| 17:38.23 | olafski | that sounds like a lot of fun! |
| 17:38.43 | olafski | after all, who wants a challenge |
| 17:39.28 | olafski | my 360 only wants to connect to the network randomly lately |
| 17:39.43 | olafski | no clue what's causing it.. yesterday I wanted to watch a show during dinner - no dice.. an hour later it worked |
| 17:39.53 | Ackis | Oh I wouldn't mind playing against normal toons but a max level toon makes me sad :( even Fisker couldn't cheer me up |
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| 17:42.39 | Ackis | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/funny-facebook-spellcheck-ad.png?w=459&h=265 |
| 17:43.28 | olafski | lol |
| 17:43.52 | Ackis | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/funny-facebook-supportive-dad.png?w=489&h=365 |
| 17:44.26 | olafski | I don't get it |
| 17:44.38 | haste | olafski: read it again |
| 17:44.57 | olafski | woop restarted my 360 and now it connects >_< |
| 17:45.09 | olafski | haste: oh.. :P |
| 17:45.21 | haste | a perfect line to drag out of context :P |
| 17:45.25 | olafski | what's a cast list? |
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| 17:45.52 | olafski | and what would this be in context? I can only seem to read it out of context :P |
| 17:46.15 | haste | olafski: she tried to get the cast as a prostitute in some show, but didn't get it |
| 17:46.46 | olafski | oh :P |
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| 17:48.57 | olafski | I guess this illustrates why parents should not use the internet |
| 17:50.41 | Ackis | http://negativegamer.com/2010/02/27/buy-these-wings-get-aion-offical-magizine-for-free/ |
| 17:52.19 | Ackis | lol someone called into a tech show QQing about stealing wireless |
| 17:52.40 | Ackis | Leo Laporte |
| 17:53.14 | Ackis | and omg I just solved my wobbly keyboard issue! |
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| 17:59.38 | Lopeppeppy | balance it? |
| 18:00.04 | Ackis | put my headphone cord under it (the desk isn't put together properly) |
| 18:00.51 | Lopeppeppy | use felt pads instead << protip |
| 18:02.07 | alestane | Ackis: QQing about having it stolen, or about not being able to steal it? |
| 18:04.11 | Ackis | alestane: QQing about stealing it and not being able to access it |
| 18:04.25 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0zt4opqL18 |
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| 18:16.44 | Fisker | btw Adys |
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| 18:17.06 | Fisker | Does your tooltips support all of the gem, durability, etc. stuff you're doing? |
| 18:17.40 | Adys | sure, why? |
| 18:17.50 | Adys | shadowed uses it on elitistarmory |
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| 18:24.28 | Adys | Fisker: why, did you need something with them? |
| 18:28.19 | Fisker | naw |
| 18:28.25 | Fisker | just wondering |
| 18:28.52 | Fisker | more because i was thinking i don't think WoWhead does atleast |
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| 19:32.51 | foxlit | http://code.google.com/codejam/schedule.html |
| 19:33.32 | nevcairiel | its codejam again, eh |
| 19:33.47 | foxlit | It's as if it's annual :) |
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| 19:34.05 | nevcairiel | but still a month until registration |
| 19:34.07 | nevcairiel | post it again then |
| 19:34.56 | shifuimam | mmm IRC |
| 19:37.41 | Ackis | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/funny-pictures-cat-you-no-understanz.jpg?w=500&h=374 |
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| 19:48.23 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.02 | Fisker | O |
| 19:51.03 | Fisker | L |
| 19:51.04 | Fisker | D |
| 19:51.14 | Fisker | btw |
| 19:51.17 | Fisker | i hate the new changes |
| 19:52.12 | Kraps | hey Fisker |
| 19:52.19 | Kraps | you're a hater |
| 19:52.22 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 19:53.59 | Ackis | half way through cataclysm they'll change it all again |
| 19:55.49 | Kraps | Weapon Skill - This stat will be removed from the game completely. Classes will start with all the weapon skills they need to know and will not need to improve them. |
| 19:55.55 | Kraps | hahahah |
| 20:00.08 | foxlit | gah. |
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| 20:00.21 | durcyn | weapon skill achievement converted to feat of strength, i presume |
| 20:00.26 | nevcairiel | i love the changes mostly |
| 20:00.27 | foxlit | Or removed. |
| 20:01.16 | Fisker | or not foxlit |
| 20:02.31 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, oh thank fucking god |
| 20:02.47 | nevcairiel | and i was planning on playing a worgen rogue! |
| 20:04.51 | ZorbaTHut | "creatures in later tiers of content will be harder to hit or crit" now that's an interesting change |
| 20:05.30 | nevcairiel | yeah i rather like that |
| 20:05.51 | nevcairiel | more stats you have to scale on new content |
| 20:06.13 | foxlit | "hai dudes, what's the hit cap for mages on Azuregos?" |
| 20:06.28 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it's going to make capping more irritating |
| 20:06.52 | foxlit | I sincerely hope they get rid of the partial spell resist system in PvE |
| 20:07.18 | Fisker | i hope they don't |
| 20:07.28 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know how they're going to make haste work with warriors |
| 20:07.33 | ZorbaTHut | we're already rage-capped in raiding situations |
| 20:07.59 | nevcairiel | like it works now, i guess |
| 20:08.08 | Fisker | i actually can't see how it is useful for anyone but rogues and maybe DK's a bity |
| 20:08.10 | Fisker | bit* |
| 20:08.19 | ZorbaTHut | they'll have to reduce rage income substantially or actually make it reduce ability cooldowns and GCDs |
| 20:08.25 | nevcairiel | they only mentioned DKs and Rogues, who rely on a resource on constant refresh |
| 20:08.27 | ZorbaTHut | nev, it's a terrible stat right now :P |
| 20:08.44 | Ackis | http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/01/facebook-olympic-status-updates/ |
| 20:08.47 | nevcairiel | not every stat has to be viable for everyone |
| 20:09.11 | Fisker | give that everyone but rogues hate haste i think it should |
| 20:09.19 | Fisker | As we're not actually improving anything |
| 20:09.37 | nevcairiel | DKs and rogues will get the new functionality |
| 20:09.41 | ZorbaTHut | nev, "Our ultimate goal is make gear a more interesting (and less confusing) choice by making each stat valuable to more players." |
| 20:09.53 | ZorbaTHut | so clearly blizzard disagrees, and thinks that every vaguely-applicable stat should, in fact, be viable for everyone :) |
| 20:10.02 | nevcairiel | more players != everyone |
| 20:10.11 | Fisker | DKs were a maybe because i don't know their status in terms of runic power and having actual dps increase in it |
| 20:10.21 | Fisker | Likely they won't gain shit from it, and it'll still be considered a poor stat |
| 20:10.22 | ZorbaTHut | I think it's pretty clear what they're going for here. each stat viable for each class that could reasonably use that stat |
| 20:10.25 | NeoTron | Kraps: about fricking time on the weapon skill |
| 20:10.29 | nevcairiel | hunters will be on focus, which will probably benefit the same from haste then |
| 20:10.32 | Fisker | ^^ ZorbaTHut |
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| 20:10.40 | ZorbaTHut | (no I don't expect intellect to work for warriors, for example) |
| 20:11.03 | Fisker | of course they could alway just nerf mana return for ret palas and force it useful |
| 20:11.07 | nevcairiel | they can't give haste another meaning for ret paladins either |
| 20:11.11 | Fisker | But really i wish we had moar GCD's |
| 20:11.15 | ZorbaTHut | nev, why not? |
| 20:11.39 | nevcairiel | they also want to simplify the stats |
| 20:11.42 | ZorbaTHut | agi and str already have different meanings for different classes |
| 20:11.47 | nevcairiel | a different meaning for every class would confuse people |
| 20:11.54 | ZorbaTHut | Eh. "it makes you do shit more often" |
| 20:11.58 | ZorbaTHut | that's pretty simple |
| 20:12.05 | Fisker | spirit = hit for elemental shamans btw nevcairiel |
| 20:12.13 | Fisker | So i doubt that's what they want to achieve |
| 20:12.16 | nevcairiel | Fisker: through talents, most likely |
| 20:12.22 | Fisker | they want to achieve more simple stats for the individual |
| 20:12.28 | ZorbaTHut | nev, so, make a talent that makes haste work differently for paladins |
| 20:12.33 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 20:12.49 | Fisker | or just have it there by default |
| 20:13.02 | Fisker | Haste being different for another class is totally not the point anyway |
| 20:13.03 | ZorbaTHut | Holy Barrage: Haste rating also reduces your global cooldown. |
| 20:13.28 | NeoTron | so what's going to suck, or rather what has to be changed before this comes out is replace all spirit gear with non-spirit gear... |
| 20:13.29 | ZorbaTHut | but yeah, I don't think they're trying to make it so each stat works the same on each class. they're trying to make it so that you don't have a situation where Haste is worth 0.2 Strength. |
| 20:13.30 | foxlit | haste already reduces your GCD? |
| 20:13.31 | nevcairiel | I'm not even sure about the spi->hit talent, they want to reduce "must have" talents as well |
| 20:13.45 | ZorbaTHut | nev, chain it to moonkin form or whatever, maybe |
| 20:13.52 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, not for melee |
| 20:14.05 | Fisker | for rogues i can see it's ridiculously overpowered |
| 20:14.06 | ZorbaTHut | (oh hey look at that, stats working differently for different classes) |
| 20:14.09 | Fisker | especially with energy regen |
| 20:14.15 | Fisker | But i don't see the big deal for paladins |
| 20:14.25 | nevcairiel | anyway, they mentioned rogues and DKs for a reason |
| 20:14.36 | nevcairiel | because they will have new haste mechanics |
| 20:14.44 | nevcairiel | and quite obviously how |
| 20:14.56 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: however it makes sense from the point of simplifying loot |
| 20:14.59 | nevcairiel | they might just not know how/if to do something for other melees |
| 20:15.06 | NeoTron | in general a raid has, what, 2-4 mail casters at most? |
| 20:15.16 | NeoTron | and maybe 8-10 cloth casters at least |
| 20:15.28 | ZorbaTHut | awesome, join a FoS group and I zone in to 4 dead players and an argument going on in /p |
| 20:15.31 | nevcairiel | i dont think we ever had more then 2 mail casters |
| 20:15.38 | Fisker | you don't have to replace anything NeoTron |
| 20:15.46 | nevcairiel | (healers are not "casters" in that grouping) |
| 20:15.47 | Fisker | items will be automatically changed to suit you |
| 20:15.49 | NeoTron | Fisker: spirit will become useless, and I'll get spirit on my gear |
| 20:16.01 | Kraps | nevcairiel: that would be *one* talent |
| 20:16.01 | Fisker | spirit will be mana regen |
| 20:16.16 | Kraps | probably for 1 point |
| 20:16.18 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: but they are. There are 2-3 people in a raid using spell power mail. they want to avoid ahving to use two different sets of items for these 2-3 people |
| 20:16.24 | nevcairiel | Fisker: eh, they will change item A to be new-item A, i don't think they'll change items based on what class is wearing them |
| 20:16.32 | Fisker | yes |
| 20:16.56 | Fisker | But if he has spirit then it's because he can use it |
| 20:16.57 | NeoTron | Fisker: for healers yes. for casters spirit is intended to not be used |
| 20:17.00 | Fisker | Otherwise it wouldn't get it |
| 20:17.03 | Fisker | l2read NeoTron |
| 20:17.08 | Lunessa | Haste doesn't suck for me as an Enhancement Shaman. Haste = love. |
| 20:17.09 | Fisker | Spirit = hit for casters |
| 20:17.13 | Fisker | or actually |
| 20:17.16 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: thats a special case for boomkins and elemental shamans, didnt we talk about melees now? :D |
| 20:17.19 | NeoTron | Fisker: for boomkins and elemental shamans. not for warlocks |
| 20:17.20 | Fisker | spirit = hit for balance druids and elemental shamans |
| 20:17.30 | Fisker | And spirit will be removed from damage gear NeoTron |
| 20:17.40 | Kraps | hey Lunessa |
| 20:17.50 | Lunessa | Hey Kraps. |
| 20:17.52 | NeoTron | Fisker: yes. but how do you define damage gear today? |
| 20:18.00 | nevcairiel | hit! |
| 20:18.01 | NeoTron | if it doesn't have hit, it's either damage ro healing atm |
| 20:18.11 | NeoTron | and spirit gear never has hit |
| 20:18.22 | NeoTron | so.. if it has mp5 it's healer, no mp5 dps? it's not clear |
| 20:18.34 | nevcairiel | if it has spirit, its healer gear |
| 20:18.39 | nevcairiel | silly locks are just confused |
| 20:18.42 | NeoTron | post change yes. now, no |
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| 20:18.57 | Fisker | locks get extra spellpower from spirit |
| 20:18.59 | nevcairiel | delusional lock! |
| 20:19.00 | NeoTron | with lifetap and fel armor scaling on spirit, spirit has been one of the most important lock stats |
| 20:19.29 | NeoTron | they are changing LT to scale on spelldamage instead. I do have to replace my spirit gear anyway |
| 20:19.51 | Fisker | they could always make them double-edged until the expansion |
| 20:19.52 | nevcairiel | some lock in the guild i joined was totally pissed off when i won the saurfang staff on my first run with them, and he didnt get it |
| 20:20.24 | nevcairiel | but spirit to healers! |
| 20:20.25 | Fisker | actually that'd just make healers OP |
| 20:20.51 | nevcairiel | eh, at the point where the items are changed, the talents will be adjusted to work with the new stats |
| 20:21.18 | Fisker | That's not the issue though |
| 20:22.02 | Fisker | http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=50610 <-I believe this item is considered one of the best items, casters and healers alike |
| 20:22.17 | NeoTron | it's not really that important of course, but the issue is items with spirit but not hit or mp5. all casters use that |
| 20:22.33 | Fisker | But it'll probably be converted to a healing item i.e. spirit instead, and it'll be less useful for casters |
| 20:22.34 | NeoTron | saying otherwise is delusional |
| 20:23.07 | NeoTron | Fisker: it's safe to assume all mp5 items will become healer items |
| 20:23.21 | Fisker | yeah i think so |
| 20:23.47 | NeoTron | I'm ok with that, I don't gear for mp5 :) I guess mages or SP's might use it but I don't know |
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| 20:25.07 | Fisker | I don't think it's particularily useful for them either |
| 20:25.10 | Arrowmaster | Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a000d' |
| 20:25.10 | Arrowmaster | Type mismatch: 'Application(...)' |
| 20:25.10 | Arrowmaster | D:\WEBROOT\ANGELSITES\ANGEL\ANGELROOT\ERRORHANDLING\../Include/_common.asp, line 2899 |
| 20:25.31 | Fisker | As i understand it, it's just so sick a ring that even without the MP5 it's still the best you can get |
| 20:25.34 | NeoTron | I don't think any caster dps gears for it |
| 20:25.37 | Arrowmaster | good job fuck tards, i cant get on my schools website to take my quiz or do my homework |
| 20:25.51 | NeoTron | it's possible, I haven't looked too closely at heroic gear |
| 20:25.55 | Arrowmaster | hates his schools IT department |
| 20:25.56 | Fisker | vbscript ftw |
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| 20:27.56 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 20:29.14 | Lopeppeppy | leukocytosis is medical latin for "tee hee, you're sick and we don't know why" |
| 20:30.28 | Ackis | I think I read that before |
| 20:30.31 | Ackis | giggles |
| 20:30.36 | Ackis | gives Lopeppeppy a big healing hug |
| 20:30.38 | Fisker | i also read that before |
| 20:30.39 | Thunder_Child | whats medical latin for 'you're going to die, and we dont give a shit'? |
| 20:30.40 | Fisker | just now |
| 20:30.40 | Fisker | BAM |
| 20:31.06 | Thunder_Child | the question is for Fisker so he understands when he hears it |
| 20:32.24 | alestane | I think it means "blood cells going 'pop'" |
| 20:32.26 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EjuEx95u3Y |
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| 20:34.24 | Lopeppeppy | wbc olympics! |
| 20:35.35 | Kraps | best one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nbkbss7i5s&feature=response_watch |
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| 20:38.54 | Fisker | slaps robotusch around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:40.14 | robotusch | fu |
| 20:40.18 | Lunessa | Fisker: The phrase you're looking for is "necroretardosis" |
| 20:40.26 | robotusch | authenticator desync'd again :DD:D:D:::D:D:DDD:D:D:D:D:DD |
| 20:41.43 | mitchnull | you wish |
| 20:41.57 | mitchnull | it's been hijacked (again). you are r00ted |
| 20:42.04 | nevcairiel | robotusch: do you sit there every day and press the button until its desynced? |
| 20:42.09 | robotusch | if only |
| 20:42.12 | robotusch | nah |
| 20:42.29 | robotusch | Logged in twice today, didn't play over the weekend at all :/ |
| 20:42.47 | robotusch | apart from the usual saturday QQ-fest that is the fishing compo |
| 20:42.48 | nevcairiel | just buy a new one then |
| 20:42.57 | nevcairiel | its clearly broken |
| 20:43.26 | robotusch | meh |
| 20:43.58 | *** part/#wowuidev mitchnull (~mitchnull@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 20:44.23 | robotusch | eh |
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| 20:44.44 | robotusch | since when can you remove the authenticator from the account by yourself? |
| 20:44.52 | nevcairiel | since ever |
| 20:45.01 | robotusch | hm |
| 20:45.43 | robotusch | might as well give it a shot :/ |
| 20:45.50 | robotusch | lol |
| 20:45.55 | Fisker | it still require 2 authenticator codes |
| 20:45.55 | robotusch | it worked ^_^ |
| 20:46.12 | Fisker | what are you writing with, your nose? |
| 20:46.17 | robotusch | yeah, but for some reason the code works on the website for the first couple of hours :/ |
| 20:46.22 | robotusch | it's really weird |
| 20:46.30 | Fisker | inc account compromise |
| 20:46.47 | robotusch | fu |
| 20:46.51 | robotusch | inc Fisker ban |
| 20:47.33 | Fisker | næ |
| 20:47.41 | Fisker | det er jo like hvad? din 3. eller 4. authenticator nu? |
| 20:47.41 | robotusch | jo |
| 20:47.48 | Fisker | Der er jo åbenlyst noget galt hvis den bliver ved med at fucke |
| 20:47.50 | robotusch | stadig den første jeg er på? |
| 20:47.57 | robotusch | but yeah, probably gonna order a new one |
| 20:47.59 | Fisker | så desyncer den jo ikke |
| 20:48.14 | nevcairiel | speak english you silly danes! |
| 20:48.25 | Fisker | DENMARK! |
| 20:48.27 | robotusch | DKDK |
| 20:48.28 | robotusch | btw |
| 20:48.36 | robotusch | awesome paladin of doom |
| 20:48.46 | nevcairiel | I'll drive up there and punch you in the face and steal your 6-core cpu Fisker! |
| 20:48.46 | robotusch | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&cn=Jesperpaladk ^_^ |
| 20:48.52 | Kalroth | >< |
| 20:49.10 | Fisker | "the gardians" |
| 20:49.15 | Fisker | cool story bro |
| 20:49.15 | Kalroth | hahaha |
| 20:49.16 | robotusch | oh no |
| 20:49.25 | robotusch | he's in <the danish fighters> now |
| 20:49.46 | robotusch | my priest and some guildies joined their progression raid in toc10 |
| 20:50.18 | Fisker | his spec is absolutely horrible |
| 20:50.24 | robotusch | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&cn=Darkdame <- very gud gir, jæs? |
| 20:50.49 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Ravencrest&cn=Jesperpaladk&group=1 <-you gotta be fucking kidding me |
| 20:50.57 | robotusch | we ended up 4-manning half of Northrend beasts |
| 20:51.16 | robotusch | since the rest of the dps decided to die :D |
| 20:51.27 | robotusch | good times on vent |
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| 20:51.42 | Kalroth | "plz joion the gardians we have tabbard and almost guidl bank" |
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| 20:55.22 | Fisker | oh geez lol |
| 20:55.30 | Fisker | So Blizzard decided to just force it anyway |
| 20:55.32 | Fisker | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23425636414&sid=1&pageNo=9#167 |
| 20:55.38 | Fisker | Retribution paladins are already working this way on live realms, given that they rely on mana. You're just cooldown limited. |
| 20:55.45 | Fisker | Thanks for forcing us to take up haste Blizz! |
| 20:56.22 | Lunessa | Haste is LOVE Fisker, embrace the love, since it's about as close as you're ever going to get anyway. |
| 20:56.36 | Fisker | i love you Lunessa |
| 20:56.44 | durcyn | it makes you ATTACK FASTER, Fisker |
| 20:56.51 | Lunessa | Give us a cuddle. |
| 20:56.53 | durcyn | you know, FASTER. |
| 20:57.35 | Fisker | WE ALREADY KNOW DURCYN |
| 20:57.49 | Fisker | But if haste were instead, lets say something else than haste it would be better |
| 20:58.06 | Fisker | i fucking hate haste |
| 20:58.36 | foxlit | Poor haste. |
| 20:58.41 | foxlit | Getting pinged all the time. |
| 20:59.02 | Cide | make haste, guys |
| 21:00.02 | haste | I'm not really noticing much to it |
| 21:00.17 | Thunder_Child | i thought haste has a regex mask on his ping filter |
| 21:00.54 | haste | everything gets filtered, and non-direct messages don't generate highlights directly |
| 21:01.30 | Kraps | Fisker: if your mom was a fish... |
| 21:02.12 | Fisker | that makes me sad haste |
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| 21:06.21 | Lunessa | Eyonix win: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/23425766472-everybody-have-fun-tonight.html |
| 21:07.31 | Fisker | then i disagree Lunessa |
| 21:08.03 | Lunessa | If you counter Wang Chung with Oingo Boingo, you win. |
| 21:08.14 | DWSR | @addon TagCompiler |
| 21:08.19 | DWSR | !addon TagCompiler |
| 21:08.20 | lua_bot | Found 1 addon results for 'TagCompiler': http://is.gd/9tBd0 |
| 21:08.52 | DWSR | Seerah|away |
| 21:09.26 | DWSR | !addon LibDogTag |
| 21:09.27 | lua_bot | Found 11 addon results for 'LibDogTag': http://is.gd/9tBsU |
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| 21:14.40 | Torhal | DWSR: Why are you looking at that evil library? |
| 21:14.58 | DWSR | Torhal: Which one? DogTag? |
| 21:15.03 | Torhal | Aye |
| 21:15.14 | DWSR | Well, Aloft currently uses TagCompiler with some "fixes". |
| 21:15.31 | DWSR | Was wondering if DogTag was going to be a better option |
| 21:16.08 | Torhal | Ask Shefki if you can bastardize LuaTexts. |
| 21:16.09 | DWSR | (Note: I have no idea what fixes these are). |
| 21:16.19 | DWSR | Torhal: Yeah, that was something else I was thinking of doing. |
| 21:16.37 | *** part/#wowuidev mitchnull (~mitchnull@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 21:17.16 | DWSR | Since apparently, LuaTexts are significantly faster than any of the other tagging methods. |
| 21:18.33 | Torhal | They also require more know-how |
| 21:18.52 | Torhal | DogTags is stupid-simple to use, but some of the tags USE tags |
| 21:19.13 | durcyn | 15:18:51 < Torhal> DogTags is stupid |
| 21:19.19 | Torhal | Heh |
| 21:20.45 | DWSR | Torhal: Which makes sense from a convenience perspective. |
| 21:23.38 | ckknight | cries a single tear |
| 21:24.06 | ckknight | Torhal: btw, the way DogTags tags use other tags is through an aliasing system, so it does eventually boil down to just lua statements eventually |
| 21:24.15 | ckknight | mind you, LuaTexts is far more efficient ;-) |
| 21:24.44 | Ackis | captures ckknight's tear and uses it against him in the final boss battle. |
| 21:25.23 | Torhal | ckknight: Cart3. Why have you killed it? :D |
| 21:26.59 | Kraps | Torhal: cuz carbonite is better |
| 21:27.06 | Torhal | ... |
| 21:27.07 | Shadowed | Fisker: MMOCs DB has the fact that it gives you access to more data going for it than anything |
| 21:27.15 | Torhal | ~kill Kraps |
| 21:27.16 | purl | ACTION shoots a excited anti-positrino gun at Kraps |
| 21:27.33 | Shadowed | wowheads is pretty limited, sent an email like two weeks ago but never got a response on it |
| 21:27.40 | Kraps | was it something i said? |
| 21:27.55 | Torhal | Carbonite is atrocious. |
| 21:28.08 | ckknight | Torhal: I didn't kill it, I let it die |
| 21:28.14 | Ackis | Shadowed: you might have more luck in #wowhead and talking with ops there (aka fuck normal channels)... if it's something you still want |
| 21:28.23 | Ackis | Carbonite is against the addon policy |
| 21:28.29 | Torhal | Ackis: TRUTH |
| 21:28.36 | Kraps | why? |
| 21:28.52 | Ackis | latest "ruling" by Blizzard |
| 21:28.55 | Torhal | Cairenn|afk confirmed it after talking to Blizzard - LuaSrcDiet is considered obfuscation |
| 21:29.23 | Cairenn|afk | no it isn't |
| 21:29.24 | Kraps | Ackis: sauce? |
| 21:29.30 | Ackis | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30905 |
| 21:29.32 | Torhal | Cairenn|afk: How did I mis-read your post? Hrm |
| 21:30.02 | Ackis | "The first has to do with LuaSrcDiet and other forms of code compression. It is Blizzard's opinion that this falls under the "no obfuscation" rule and as such is not allowed except with specific permission from Blizzard." |
| 21:30.07 | foxlit | There's just that "explicit permission" clause |
| 21:30.09 | Ackis | Carbonite obfuscates |
| 21:30.10 | Cairenn|afk | "except with specific permission from Blizzard." |
| 21:30.26 | Torhal | I thought they only gave that to Bejeweled... |
| 21:30.28 | Cairenn|afk | they have said permission |
| 21:30.33 | Ackis | that's how Peggle/Bejeweled |
| 21:30.33 | Torhal | Aha |
| 21:30.38 | Ackis | have you seen it? :P |
| 21:30.48 | Shadowed | Ackis: Not really, MMOC does what I need so I don't really care enough to petition for it :p |
| 21:30.54 | nevcairiel | eh, imho they should not give out permissions |
| 21:30.56 | alestane | Ackis: Do we need to? |
| 21:31.06 | Ackis | they're dirty rotten bastards |
| 21:33.19 | Fisker | i'm dirty for you Ackis |
| 21:34.33 | Torhal | Fisker: Did you get the new Revelation, since you were QQing about the sound? |
| 21:36.20 | Fisker | naw |
| 21:36.22 | Fisker | i don't use it |
| 21:39.21 | foxlit | Grrr, [flyable] is broken. |
| 21:39.31 | Torhal | Fisker: Ass! |
| 21:39.35 | foxlit | Or, rather, still not fixed. |
| 21:39.44 | Kraps | my momma said life is like a box of chocolates |
| 21:40.21 | Fisker | so that's what i get for helping you Torhal? :( |
| 21:40.23 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, it's better, at least |
| 21:40.32 | foxlit | Northrend is [flyable] but not [@player,flyable] without the relevant skill. |
| 21:41.04 | Torhal | Fisker: No. You get a magical unicorn. |
| 21:41.48 | Fisker | nice |
| 21:41.55 | Cairenn | wants a magical unicorn :( |
| 21:41.55 | Shadowed | Revelation is clever Torhal |
| 21:41.56 | Shadowed | nice job |
| 21:42.01 | Shadowed | I want two magical unicorns |
| 21:42.02 | Fisker | http://games.adultswim.com/robot-unicorn-attack-twitchy-online-game.html <-? |
| 21:42.10 | Torhal | Shadowed: Fisker ate them. |
| 21:42.25 | Ackis | @project Revelation |
| 21:42.27 | Repo | Ackis: http://www.wowace.com/addons/revelation/. Revelation. Game: WoW. Torhal (Manager/Author). Updated: 37 minutes ago. Tickets: 2/10 |
| 21:42.45 | Shadowed | Ackis: : http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw23752.jpg |
| 21:42.55 | ZorbaTHut | I still want [flyable] to turn off when I'm in WG with a battle going on |
| 21:42.57 | Shadowed | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw23751.jpg |
| 21:43.05 | Fisker | i troll u Shadowed |
| 21:43.08 | Ackis | it's like manufac it seems |
| 21:43.11 | ZorbaTHut | I'd really like it to be a simple "can you fly right now" flag. |
| 21:43.19 | Ackis | imo it's crap, get back to work on ARL/Collectinator ;) |
| 21:43.24 | Ackis | <3 Torhal |
| 21:43.25 | ZorbaTHut | if you can fly, then it is [flyable]. if you cannot fly, then it is not [flyable]. |
| 21:43.37 | Fisker | i collectinator u Ackis |
| 21:43.53 | Ackis | bwaa |
| 21:44.29 | Torhal | Ackis: It's nothing like Manufac, actually. |
| 21:44.43 | Torhal | And, BTW: You're a turd. The guy you banned said so. |
| 21:45.03 | Ackis | rofl |
| 21:46.57 | ckknight | if anyone likes SC2, be sure to join #sc2mapster |
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| 21:48.57 | Ackis | I need this app for my blackberry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeyyNCTMOhk |
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| 21:53.45 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=xkcd&i=4 |
| 21:54.19 | nevcairiel | why do people steal xkcd and replicate it on other pages? |
| 21:54.34 | nevcairiel | just link to xkcd proper :P |
| 21:54.49 | Shadowed | I think that's some sort of all-in-one comic update site, I'm not sure |
| 21:54.56 | mikma | yeap |
| 21:55.04 | Shadowed | but yea link to the sourceee |
| 21:55.20 | mikma | it doesnt have links |
| 21:55.28 | mikma | it downloads the comics daily |
| 21:55.30 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=smbc&i=948 |
| 21:57.08 | mikma | nevcairiel just happens to be a bitchy little whiner, is all! |
| 21:57.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Teomyr (teo@HSI-KBW-085-216-123-189.hsi.kabelbw.de) |
| 21:57.11 | mikma | nn -> |
| 22:02.10 | Dewin | I just tabbed back into this channel and inserted a "it puts the lotion on its skin" somewhere in Mikma's comments. |
| 22:02.40 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 22:02.45 | Fisker | it's called a ringtone |
| 22:02.47 | Fisker | you're welcome |
| 22:03.04 | Fisker | (Other phones don't need apps for it since we can actually customize our ringtones) |
| 22:03.33 | Ackis | Fisker: it had about 5 different cat noises |
| 22:03.49 | Fisker | oooh so hard to have 5 different ring tones |
| 22:04.03 | Ackis | it is! |
| 22:07.53 | Lunessa | "Lower a rope to you, a bucket on the line.... " |
| 22:09.14 | Cairenn | it puts the lotion in the basket? |
| 22:09.36 | Lopeppeppy | mmmmm. basket |
| 22:09.48 | Cairenn | ... case |
| 22:10.12 | Cairenn | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 22:10.17 | Cairenn | how are you doing today sweetie? |
| 22:10.50 | Lopeppeppy | hooo boy. |
| 22:11.21 | Cairenn | that good, huh? |
| 22:11.36 | Lopeppeppy | 5 hours in the ER last ight. I have a raging, nasty, not-yet-identifued postop infection |
| 22:11.43 | Kraps | i'm looking for an addon that tells me when shammy shields drop off |
| 22:11.43 | Cairenn | oh shit! |
| 22:11.54 | Fisker | Frostmourne |
| 22:11.58 | Fisker | It holds the truth |
| 22:11.59 | Lopeppeppy | not in the hand though! |
| 22:12.11 | Lopeppeppy | ...just everywhere else. |
| 22:12.15 | Cairenn | ummm, even bigger oh shit?! |
| 22:12.53 | Cairenn | heavy duty antibiotics, I presume? |
| 22:13.01 | Lopeppeppy | yeah... iv antibiotics, all that. ultures are out, more drugs until identified |
| 22:13.07 | Lunessa | wowcompares.com seems to be missing the compares. |
| 22:13.29 | Cairenn | iv antibiotics? are you admitted and chatting via laptop? |
| 22:13.30 | Lunessa | Wel, the online version. |
| 22:13.42 | Cairenn | or they gave you a dose and sent you home? |
| 22:13.51 | Lopeppeppy | no, came home. i'm very persuasive |
| 22:14.16 | Cairenn | heh, I know that type of persuasiveness |
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| 22:14.38 | Thrae | Hey, anyone have Bioshock 2 for the PC? I have a technical issue, and there may be a reward in it for you. |
| 22:15.07 | Lopeppeppy | hospitals don't actually want you, if you are coherent and logical you can win |
| 22:15.19 | Cairenn | aye |
| 22:15.22 | tem_ | I have a web dev question if any of you people who do this stuff all the time are around |
| 22:15.24 | Cairenn | they don't have enough beds as it is |
| 22:15.31 | Dewin | tem_: What sort of question? |
| 22:15.35 | Lopeppeppy | P.S., they didn't have a bed either |
| 22:15.39 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 22:16.11 | tem_ | I've got a set of "cascading" list boxes (where you select one or more items in one and it does an ajax request to the server for the items that go into the next list box based on what you selected) |
| 22:16.41 | tem_ | in the somewhat pathological case of the user selecting EVERYTHING, the final list is around 2000 items |
| 22:16.56 | Lopeppeppy | ooof |
| 22:17.08 | foxlit | meh, what's 20kb between friends? |
| 22:17.17 | tem_ | size isn't the issue |
| 22:17.30 | tem_ | the problem is that my javascript that converts the json from the server into <option> tags to go into the list becomes very slow |
| 22:17.37 | tem_ | and it snags the page for 5-10s |
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| 22:18.11 | foxlit | mhm. |
| 22:18.14 | tem_ | I could do the <option> building on the server |
| 22:18.31 | tem_ | but that feels extra dirty |
| 22:18.36 | tem_ | and it makes my payload a lot bigger |
| 22:18.54 | foxlit | I'm guessing your JS looks like for(stuff) { out += "<option>" + "blah" + "</option" } |
| 22:19.07 | tem_ | mostly |
| 22:19.18 | Dewin | Have you tried using DOM methods instead? |
| 22:19.27 | Dewin | (No idea if it'll help) |
| 22:19.30 | tem_ | the dom methods? |
| 22:19.33 | tem_ | like new option |
| 22:19.36 | tem_ | or whatever it was |
| 22:19.39 | tem_ | those were slower :( |
| 22:19.44 | Dewin | i.e. opt = document.createElement("option"); opt.setAttribute(...) etc |
| 22:19.48 | Dewin | gotcha. |
| 22:20.11 | foxlit | Try benchmarking how much time you spent on building the string, and how much time the browser spends parsing it. |
| 22:20.47 | foxlit | If it's the former that's taking the bulk of the time, you could probably solve it with a bucketed string builder. |
| 22:20.48 | Lopeppeppy | i sleep now.... |
| 22:20.53 | Dewin | A lot of browsers don't handle thousands of form controls very well either, which might be pat of the problem. |
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| 22:22.09 | tem_ | hmm |
| 22:22.20 | tem_ | evidently 60% of the time was spent setting innerHTML |
| 22:22.23 | tem_ | oh |
| 22:22.36 | tem_ | I forgot I have a weird thing in there |
| 22:22.37 | tem_ | sec |
| 22:23.20 | tem_ | well. About 40% of the time is spent building the string |
| 22:23.37 | tem_ | that's a bit of an overestimation |
| 22:23.45 | Dewin | 40% of the 5-10 seconds? |
| 22:23.49 | tem_ | yes |
| 22:23.57 | tem_ | i.e. way more than I was expecting |
| 22:24.03 | Dewin | That seems insane. |
| 22:25.01 | tem_ | agreed |
| 22:25.49 | Dewin | And it only takes this long when the list is large? |
| 22:26.02 | Dewin | How are you setting innerHTML, exactly |
| 22:26.54 | tem_ | options = [] |
| 22:26.58 | Seerah | DWSR: wat? |
| 22:27.15 | Dewin | I mean, perhaps, could you pastey the code somewhere? |
| 22:27.25 | Dewin | (If you're allowed to, that is.) |
| 22:27.31 | DWSR | Seerah: What license is TagCompiler under? |
| 22:27.38 | Seerah | I don't know. |
| 22:27.52 | Seerah | does it say anything on the download page or inside the addon folder/files? |
| 22:27.56 | foxlit | lua> t,out = os.clock(), ""; for i=1,2000 do out = out .. "a string of appropriate length or some such thing"; end print(t-os.clock()); |
| 22:27.57 | lua_bot | foxlit: -0.05 |
| 22:27.59 | Seerah | if not, then it's ARR |
| 22:28.06 | tem_ | for(i in list) { options.push("<option value=\""+list[i].id+"\">" + list[i].name + "</option>") } |
| 22:28.23 | tem_ | target.innerHTML = options.join("\n"); |
| 22:28.28 | DWSR | !addon TagCompiler |
| 22:28.30 | tem_ | that's the gist of it |
| 22:28.31 | lua_bot | Found 1 addon results for 'TagCompiler': http://is.gd/9tBd0 |
| 22:28.41 | Dewin | tem_: Is options the full list of all 2000 options by the end? |
| 22:28.43 | DWSR | http://fin.instinct.org/wowmods/addon/399:tagcompiler-1.0 <-- Says you're the author. |
| 22:28.48 | tem_ | yes |
| 22:29.17 | Dewin | So... the browser's being forced to re-parse all 2000 options if you're only adding a few more? Assuming I have the right idea of how your code is running. |
| 22:29.58 | tem_ | oh |
| 22:29.59 | tem_ | sure |
| 22:30.05 | tem_ | it's still slow the first time |
| 22:30.08 | Seerah | The Curse rss that that site pulls from is... less than adequate, DWSR :) |
| 22:30.20 | DWSR | Seerah: heh\ |
| 22:30.29 | tem_ | (even if I went through the effort of doing that, it wouldn't help the case I'm working on) |
| 22:30.39 | DWSR | Seerah: Can't even find it on WoWAce anyway (which is where it's listed. |
| 22:31.36 | Dewin | Also, for the string building part, have you tried options[options.length] = .... instead of options.push(...) to see if it's faster? |
| 22:32.14 | tem_ | I haven't |
| 22:32.19 | tem_ | however |
| 22:32.32 | tem_ | I'm trying to get a better number oh how much time that's actually taking |
| 22:32.49 | tem_ | chrome isn't helping me much :( |
| 22:32.59 | tem_ | I refuse to believe that it takes 4 seconds to do that |
| 22:33.54 | Seerah | DWSR: Several addons use(d) it. Aloft, for example. The lib's .toc (which happens to be in the Aloft/libs folder...) says that the Interface version is 20300l, it has a dependency of Ace2, and the author was Roartindon (the original author of Aloft, iirc) |
| 22:34.05 | DWSR | Yeah, just noticed. |
| 22:34.11 | DWSR | is dropping that shit like it's hot ASAP |
| 22:34.27 | DWSR | Moving to DogTag and hopefully LuaTexts, if I can get permission from Shefki. |
| 22:34.47 | tem_ | foxlit: I just noticed your luabot above. lol @ negative time. |
| 22:34.51 | Seerah | aha! http://www.wowace.com/addons/libtagcompiler-2-0/ |
| 22:35.14 | foxlit | tem_: yeah, I'm pro at picking the proper operand order :( |
| 22:35.17 | Dewin | tem_: Gotta love floating point inaccuracies. I have code that occasionally reports negative time for how long it takes to execute simple database queries. |
| 22:35.44 | Dewin | oh, it was coding error? I didn't see it. |
| 22:35.47 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: yay for going from TagCompiler to ressource hog DogTags? |
| 22:36.06 | foxlit | Dewin: t-os.clock() |
| 22:36.16 | foxlit | t is the old time, which is understandably smaller than the new time. |
| 22:37.12 | tem_ | I think around 40% of the time is actually spent in the browser |
| 22:37.19 | tem_ | and not in my string building |
| 22:37.20 | Dewin | foxlit: I blame my failure to notice that on ECOFFEE (buffer underflow on caffeine stream) |
| 22:37.44 | foxlit | Which leads you to conclude that a 2000-item dropdown list is a bad, bad thing? |
| 22:37.53 | tem_ | it's not a dropdown list! |
| 22:38.00 | tem_ | it's a multiple select |
| 22:38.11 | foxlit | BURN |
| 22:38.36 | WobWork | needs more tree select imo |
| 22:38.36 | foxlit | Multiple selection lists are one of the more evil controls you can throw at a user |
| 22:38.41 | Dewin | foxlit: Not always. |
| 22:38.41 | foxlit | One click, and all their careful work is undone. |
| 22:38.51 | alestane | Some people... |
| 22:39.06 | Dewin | I believe you can set it where clicking an item simply selects/unselects that item without touching the rest of the list |
| 22:39.17 | WobWork | multiple dropdown select fields are worse |
| 22:39.21 | foxlit | See if making a manual checkbox + label output |
| 22:39.25 | Dewin | or... maybe not. |
| 22:39.38 | WobWork | especially if you're in a situation where you have to select a -lot- of choices |
| 22:39.45 | WobWork | as you have to scroll the list every single time |
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| 22:40.01 | alestane | ...some people like cupcakes exclusively, while as for myself, I say, there is not, nor ought there be, nothing so exalted on the face of God's great Earth, as that prince of foods... |
| 22:40.03 | WobWork | or maybe not 'worse' per se, but certainly on par |
| 22:40.06 | alestane | ...the MUFFIN. |
| 22:40.06 | tem_ | either way the ui for this sucks |
| 22:40.16 | WobWork | alestane: you bluffin with your muffin? |
| 22:40.18 | alestane | </random> |
| 22:40.20 | tem_ | and I don't really understand the usual use case |
| 22:40.21 | foxlit | WobWork: those don't exist in HTML, though? |
| 22:40.28 | tem_ | so I can't really suggest something better |
| 22:40.30 | WobWork | foxlit: eh? |
| 22:40.33 | tem_ | not that they would listen anyway |
| 22:40.39 | foxlit | Can't do a multiple selection /dropdown/ |
| 22:40.50 | foxlit | Mutually exclusive, those two. |
| 22:40.52 | WobWork | nah, multiple dropdown selections |
| 22:41.12 | WobWork | as in 'more than one of the same dropdown' |
| 22:41.15 | Dewin | i.e. "Select first thingie" "Select second thingie" etc? |
| 22:41.19 | WobWork | yeah |
| 22:41.23 | Dewin | Ouch. |
| 22:41.39 | Dewin | What if you had 10 things and wanted to select all of them? |
| 22:41.44 | WobWork | actually, one thing that utterly -gripes- me in Chrome is the inability to mousewheel in a dropdown |
| 22:41.55 | Dewin | And it would get exponentially worse as the number of options increases |
| 22:42.10 | tem_ | if your dropdown list is so long that you -need- to scroll wheel it, you're doing it wrong |
| 22:42.24 | WobWork | tem_: which doesn't preclude it happening =) |
| 22:42.41 | WobWork | even a month dropdown requires scrolling |
| 22:43.23 | tem_ | needs more calendar popup |
| 22:44.08 | Dewin | wrote something that lets you type a date in several creative ways and accepts them. Including "Next Tuesday" and "Fri of 03/01/10"=> Friday that's in the same week of March 1st |
| 22:44.09 | WobWork | yeah |
| 22:44.33 | WobWork | Dewin: does it deal with american/non american dates? =) |
| 22:44.42 | WobWork | ie 03/04/2010 |
| 22:44.42 | Dewin | WobWork: Sort of. |
| 22:44.51 | Dewin | There's a configuration option to tell it which type to expect. |
| 22:45.09 | Dewin | And it accepts 20100403 or 2010-04-03 as well |
| 22:45.13 | foxlit | Dewin: PHP has a function for that. |
| 22:45.28 | WobWork | "First Thursday of the next month that has the 1st on an odd weekday" |
| 22:45.35 | foxlit | including weirdness like "next thursday + 14 hours" |
| 22:45.47 | Dewin | foxlit: Not quite to the user-friendliness of this one, and I'm aware. Plus this is implemented clientside |
| 22:45.53 | WobWork | Dewin: nice |
| 22:46.11 | foxlit | Mm? |
| 22:47.07 | Dewin | it's basically derived from http://simonwillison.net/2003/Oct/6/betterDateInput/ with modifications. (That and I emailed the guy and asked for permission to include it so...) |
| 22:50.59 | tem_ | Okay |
| 22:51.07 | tem_ | I moved the <option> building to the server |
| 22:51.13 | tem_ | and the problem persists |
| 22:51.24 | WobWork | (what is the issue btw?) |
| 22:51.28 | tem_ | so the slowness is in parsing that string |
| 22:51.35 | tem_ | and in creating the dom elements |
| 22:51.48 | Dewin | tem_: That was my guess as well. |
| 22:52.04 | foxlit | Next up: change <option> to <b> |
| 22:52.13 | foxlit | And see if it's general parsing, or just list box problems. |
| 22:52.14 | Dewin | So is there a way to just add the chunk that you just retrieved rather than rebuilding the entire thing? |
| 22:52.55 | tem_ | that's what I just did |
| 22:53.02 | tem_ | I built the chunk on the server |
| 22:53.04 | WobWork | paging a select list? |
| 22:53.12 | tem_ | oh you mean adding as I go |
| 22:53.22 | tem_ | yes it's possible, no I'm not doing it |
| 22:53.41 | tem_ | (and in this case, there's nothing to build on. This is a 0 to everything situation) |
| 22:53.52 | Dewin | tem: Your code as I understand it is basically having to parse 2000 new <options> when you get down to the bottom of things, rather than just the 10 or so in the last chunk. |
| 22:54.04 | tem_ | there is no "last" chunk |
| 22:55.13 | Dewin | ohhh |
| 22:55.19 | Dewin | I just reread the original question and realized what I missed. Gotcha. |
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| 22:56.14 | tem_ | WobWork: I've got a set of "cascading" list boxes (where you select one or more items in one and it does an ajax request to the server for the items that go into the next list box based on what you selected) |
| 22:56.21 | tem_ | WobWork: in the somewhat pathological case of the user selecting EVERYTHING, the final list is around 2000 items |
| 22:56.33 | tem_ | WobWork: the problem is that my javascript that converts the json from the server into <option> tags to go into the list becomes very slow |
| 22:56.48 | tem_ | (that's pasted from above) |
| 22:56.59 | tem_ | (perhaps before you got here) |
| 22:57.34 | Dewin | So, essentially, it's "Which categories best describe your problem" (select) "Which of these symptoms best subscribe your problem" etc? |
| 22:57.42 | Dewin | Which is totally not how I read it before I had my caffeine. |
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| 22:57.58 | WobWork | "I am thinking of an object" "Yes it might be an animal..." |
| 22:58.50 | WobWork | tem_: I assume the actual implementation is designed to -narrow- down the result? |
| 22:59.04 | WobWork | or broaden it? |
| 22:59.19 | Dewin | tem_: On a wild hunch, could you make the listbox itself part of the innerHTML and not just its options? |
| 22:59.24 | tem_ | to broaden it |
| 22:59.35 | tem_ | select a VP |
| 22:59.41 | tem_ | select a manager |
| 22:59.45 | tem_ | select an employee |
| 22:59.53 | tem_ | with multiple selects allowed all the way down |
| 23:00.03 | Dewin | Also, have you tried this in something besides Chrome? |
| 23:00.05 | tem_ | so it's possible to end up with a list of ALL employees |
| 23:00.16 | tem_ | Dewin: it's slower in other browsers >.> |
| 23:00.56 | tem_ | Dewin: I think I did that once. (setting the select's outerHTML intead of the innerHTML) it wasn't any better |
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| 23:02.05 | Dewin | and if you do something else instead of <option>? |
| 23:02.21 | tem_ | not sure what you mean |
| 23:02.39 | Dewin | How does it perform if you create a static read-only list of <br />Employee Name rather than <select><option>.... |
| 23:02.43 | tem_ | ah |
| 23:02.49 | tem_ | let's see... |
| 23:04.35 | ArrowmasterClass | wtf i cant kill this process with SIGKILL |
| 23:05.31 | Lunessa | that needs an alias, KILLITWITHFIRE |
| 23:05.53 | Dewin | alias murder `kill -9` ? |
| 23:06.19 | Dewin | err, wrong quotes, but still |
| 23:06.45 | ArrowmasterClass | im just trying to kill it from htop |
| 23:06.58 | ArrowmasterClass | doh |
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| 23:07.03 | ArrowmasterClass | htop isnt root |
| 23:07.23 | ArrowmasterClass | that really should display a warning or something |
| 23:08.01 | cog|work | sudo make me a sammich |
| 23:08.10 | ArrowmasterClass | just killed it with SIGTERM as root |
| 23:08.33 | Dewin | make: *** No rule to make target `me'. Stop. |
| 23:08.34 | Lunessa | mmmm... sammich |
| 23:09.05 | tem_ | this is infuriating |
| 23:09.13 | tem_ | I changed my web service |
| 23:09.25 | zenzelezz | but you didn't want to? |
| 23:09.33 | tem_ | but it's "stuck" returning the old format |
| 23:09.39 | tem_ | it's got it cached |
| 23:09.46 | tem_ | and I don't know how to tell it to quit it |
| 23:10.03 | tem_ | (fucking hate .net too much black magic involved in everything) |
| 23:11.07 | zenzelezz | did you try the old hack-trick of appending some random get parameter to the URL? Doesn't always work, but sometimes |
| 23:12.31 | tem_ | the most infuriating part is when I go directly to it's little cheap page, it returns what I expect it to |
| 23:12.46 | tem_ | but looking at what it's sending to my page, I can see that it's sending the old format |
| 23:13.16 | kd3 | lmao; fark: Police say roadside speed display signs are for entertainment only and should not be taken as an accurate indication of your speed [Ironic] |
| 23:16.03 | Insolence | Wowinterface channel? |
| 23:16.24 | cog|work | ? |
| 23:16.27 | zenzelezz | yes |
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| 23:24.25 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 23:24.30 | Fisker | i'm not sure if you are aware of this |
| 23:24.37 | Fisker | but i can rightclick your name and click "slap" |
| 23:24.56 | Fisker | Doing so will slap you and publically humiliate you in whatever channel you may be in |
| 23:25.22 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/brings-new-meaning-to-hot-food/4487 |
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| 23:26.11 | Torhal | alestane: I hate people. |
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| 23:27.42 | Shirik | why do people feel this incessant need to use curly quotes |
| 23:27.48 | Shirik | We got along forever without them |
| 23:28.05 | WobWork | Torhal: http://notalwaysright.com/mrs-understanding/4483 |
| 23:28.06 | Shadowed | hahahah |
| 23:28.20 | Shadowed | Shirik: {{{{{{}}}} |
| 23:28.30 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:28.30 | Torhal | WobWork: The pain! |
| 23:28.50 | zenzelezz | the amount of trouble we've had at work with a certain client's (old) system, which is about half ISO-8859-1, half UTF-8... and the clients who insist on using the actual foot/inch symbol, instead of good old " + ' |
| 23:28.51 | WobWork | Shadowed: quotes |
| 23:28.53 | WobWork | not brackets |
| 23:28.54 | Shadowed | oh |
| 23:29.01 | Shadowed | It's Shirik , I don't read what he says |
| 23:29.14 | Shadowed | hi Shirik! |
| 23:29.28 | Shirik | you are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity |
| 23:29.29 | Torhal | Shadowed: And here I thought you had a {reason} for saying things like {this}. |
| 23:29.38 | Shadowed | ~hug Shirik |
| 23:29.38 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Shirik and suddenly hugs Shirik tightly |
| 23:30.04 | alestane | ...Tim Allen. |
| 23:31.01 | Shirik | WobWork: I note that your link is from Canada |
| 23:32.02 | Fisker | i'm sorry Shirik |
| 23:32.09 | Fisker | maybe in the future you will understand |
| 23:32.12 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 23:54.52 | Lunessa | It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again. |
| 23:55.43 | alestane | ...is that a real poncho, or is that a Sears (TM) poncho? |
| 23:56.09 | Lunessa | It's a dessert topping AND a floor wax! |
| 23:57.01 | alestane | And you might not believe this, little buddy, but it'll cure your asthma too. |
