| 00:02.51 | jadakren | Shadowed, test it on the dog |
| 00:03.06 | Lopeppeppy | i lik it, bring it here |
| 00:03.15 | Shadowed | I already opened it, do you still want it |
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| 00:03.30 | Lopeppeppy | tired of suffering alone, i can watch you suffer too |
| 00:03.44 | Shadowed | :p |
| 00:05.04 | DWSR | ~seen nevcairiel |
| 00:05.07 | purl | nevcairiel is currently on #wowuidev (11d 15h 57m 55s) #wowace (11d 15h 57m 55s) #curseforge (11d 15h 57m 55s). Has said a total of 2371 messages. Is idling for 1h 20m 49s, last said: 'just be inspired by the idea and build a new one'. |
| 00:09.54 | alestane | So, last night I dreamt that Google created a floating silver ball that promoted telempathic communication; the closer you were to it, the more strongly what you felt would be shared with everyone else near it. It looked kind of like a bad 60s sci-fi special effect. |
| 00:09.54 | alestane | They were promoting it as a revolutionary new community-building and collaborative problem-solving tool, called Google Orb. |
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| 00:10.20 | alestane | Now, I know I was running over a 100F fever last night, but that sounds frighteningly like Google to me. |
| 00:10.25 | Lopeppeppy | that was in a cary ovie once |
| 00:10.53 | Adys | http://i.imgur.com/WHIhV.jpg |
| 00:11.13 | alestane | Anything silver and metallic-finished was big in movies of a certain era, from Forbidden Planet to Sleeper. |
| 00:11.40 | Lopeppeppy | littlefloting ball of domm in a mausoleum |
| 00:13.25 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy! /tacklehug |
| 00:13.38 | alestane | Its total featurelessness was supposed to illustrate how advanced it was. |
| 00:14.19 | Shirik | rofl |
| 00:14.25 | Shirik | I'm reading these specifications for a power supply |
| 00:14.44 | Shirik | Normal stuff: Output 4.5 volt DC; negative polarity; 100 milliampere; plug tip outer diameter 3.4mm, inner diameter 1.3mm. |
| 00:14.45 | Shirik | etc etc |
| 00:14.47 | Shirik | then it ends with |
| 00:14.49 | Thunder_Child | damit Shirik, why cant you be an EE, we need ome in this channel |
| 00:14.58 | Thunder_Child | one* |
| 00:15.06 | Shirik | If the socket for the AC adapter on the case of the radio is labeled 5, ignore this; it should be 4.5V. |
| 00:15.12 | Shirik | ^ what the hell |
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| 00:15.20 | Amarande | okay, which of you was it who talked me into getting the GTS 250? |
| 00:15.33 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Because EEs have boring jobs |
| 00:15.54 | Thunder_Child | you can say that about any job Shirik |
| 00:15.59 | Thunder_Child | but there are 2 sides |
| 00:16.03 | Amarande | let's put it this way. If I had bought the 9800 GT, I wouldn't be having the driver install issues I'm having now. :P |
| 00:16.18 | DWSR | WTB WA/Curse mod. |
| 00:16.19 | DWSR | alestane: That's scary. |
| 00:16.24 | DWSR | And yes, it does. |
| 00:16.46 | alestane | Shirik: Either the spec wasn't decided when the case was produced, or it's actually zone number 5 and has nothing to do with 5 volts, or...well, honestly there could be any number of weird reasons. |
| 00:16.53 | Lopeppeppy | hi hi cairenn |
| 00:17.03 | Cairenn | how's the hand sweetie? |
| 00:17.28 | Lopeppeppy | lortab |
| 00:17.33 | Cairenn | heh |
| 00:17.50 | Cairenn | better living through chemicals ;) |
| 00:18.05 | Lopeppeppy | hurts tons, but no swelling=good. sleep a lot |
| 00:18.11 | DWSR | Shirik: Fail? |
| 00:18.11 | DWSR | ~colossalfail |
| 00:18.12 | Cairenn | nod |
| 00:18.14 | Cairenn | best thing for you |
| 00:18.49 | Shirik | ok I have a copy of windows 7 professional and windows 7 ultimate upgrade |
| 00:18.59 | DWSR | Amarande: I said go with the GTX. |
| 00:19.11 | Shirik | are those compatible with each other? |
| 00:19.29 | Lopeppeppy | very good. |
| 00:20.18 | Cairenn | well, don't over do things, typing too much, okay? |
| 00:20.33 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: http://mossblog.allthingsd.com/files/2009/08/windows-upgrade-chart.png ? |
| 00:20.35 | alestane | Cairenn: She's been pretty quiet. |
| 00:20.40 | Thunder_Child | oh..nvm |
| 00:20.41 | Cairenn | good |
| 00:20.44 | Amarande | DWSR: The GTX would have had the same issue as the GTS :) |
| 00:20.48 | Thunder_Child | i need to pay more attention |
| 00:20.55 | Amarande | which is that it's too new for the Debian packaged version of nvidia drivers to know |
| 00:20.59 | Shirik | Thunder_Child fail |
| 00:21.01 | Amarande | which means I have to go through the clunky manual process |
| 00:21.08 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: indeed |
| 00:21.15 | Lopeppeppy | just woke up lonely :0 |
| 00:21.28 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:21.30 | Shirik | I'm here |
| 00:21.46 | alestane | Right, she was lonely so she got on IRC! |
| 00:22.03 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/anytime-upgrade.aspx |
| 00:22.08 | Cairenn | huggles Lopeppeppy lots and lots and lots! |
| 00:22.10 | Lopeppeppy | better than nothing, ales |
| 00:22.35 | zenzelezz | watches |
| 00:22.46 | DWSR | You're compatible with each other. |
| 00:22.46 | DWSR | You can install the 7 ultimate upgrade on top of the professional. |
| 00:22.46 | DWSR | iirc |
| 00:23.21 | eidolarr | i found it really strange but you can install w7 ult upgrade on top of the rc |
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| 00:24.03 | Shirik | strange |
| 00:34.30 | Dagmar | I don't see how that's strange |
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| 00:35.06 | Dagmar | There were not many changes between the RC and release, and all the various versions of W7 are the same, just with additional pieces |
| 00:35.11 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: you have to use the unstable debian packages |
| 00:35.35 | Dagmar | Just, um, don't even think of trying to install it atop XP. The NTFS filesystem changes will do naughty things |
| 00:35.40 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: if you try to use the manual one youll just likely break your system more |
| 00:35.53 | Amarande | Arrow: not as likely as installing sid packages on lenny. |
| 00:35.58 | alestane | A little shot of nostalgia tied up in knots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59ZX5qdIEB0&feature=channel |
| 00:35.58 | Amarande | stable + sid = sorrow. |
| 00:36.14 | Dagmar | s/sorrow/typical Gentoo install/ |
| 00:36.29 | Arrowmaster | the nvidia packages dont require anything so nothing else should get pulled in |
| 00:37.25 | Arrowmaster | although you might be fucked right now because im not sure but the latest ones in sid might be broken |
| 00:37.55 | Arrowmaster | ive had the nvidia stuff and the xorg update in testing being held for a while |
| 00:38.02 | Arrowmaster | because ive heard there were issues |
| 00:39.47 | Shadowed | !api questtimer |
| 00:39.48 | lua_bot | GetQuestTimers: Returns a list of the times remaining for any active timed quests (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetQuestTimers) |
| 00:41.01 | Amarande | Arrow: great. |
| 00:41.11 | Amarande | I buy a new video card for better linux compatibility and will have to reinstall windows to use it? |
| 00:41.16 | Amarande | this sounds like a fun deal! |
| 00:41.47 | Dagmar | I don't see where those bits connect |
| 00:41.47 | Arrowmaster | well you could use nvidia's installer but good luck removing it later |
| 00:42.30 | Amarande | Dagmar: because the driver versions available to my distribution aren't cooperating. :| |
| 00:42.53 | Dagmar | Well, if you've got kernel source you can always just built it |
| 00:42.53 | Amarande | Arrow: which version's in sid? |
| 00:42.56 | Dagmar | er build it |
| 00:43.06 | Amarande | actually Dag that's what nvidia's installer DOES |
| 00:43.15 | Dagmar | Yees |
| 00:43.17 | Arrowmaster | except it doesnt since you dont have source |
| 00:43.45 | Dagmar | If you're one of the few people using a distro and kernel they've built it for, their installer will acually sometimes just download their binary |
| 00:43.46 | Arrowmaster | it just uses the headers to make its binary work with your kernel |
| 00:44.41 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: 190.53-2 is the sid version, im running 190.42-3 |
| 00:44.41 | eidolarr | i'm glad nvidia even releases drivers |
| 00:45.01 | Arrowmaster | since its a -2 now it might have been fixed |
| 00:45.24 | Dagmar | Only if you're expecting a bug on the Debian end of things to be fixed |
| 00:45.31 | Amarande | 190.53 appears to be the latest from nvidia's site, as well |
| 00:45.32 | Arrowmaster | oh -2 is amd64, i386 is still -1 |
| 00:45.35 | Dagmar | nVidia doesn't change their driver without bumping hte version number |
| 00:45.45 | Amarande | is 190.53 bad? |
| 00:46.09 | Dagmar | Not that I'm aware of, but even a trivial typo can result in a release of a new package |
| 00:46.14 | Arrowmaster | there was an issue in debian with installing it, why dont you check the bug tracker |
| 00:46.59 | Dagmar | For awhile I just stopped releasing Dropline packages until two hours after I'd built them had passed, because I wound up doing like thirty -2's in a row over one minor thing or another |
| 00:47.38 | alestane | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/gallery.html#328 |
| 00:47.47 | alestane | I have to admit the little bastards are made for punting. |
| 00:49.28 | Cide- | punt intended |
| 00:52.39 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: why are you trying to get 3d acceleration working on debian lenny? |
| 00:54.55 | DWSR | Arrowmaster |
| 00:56.36 | Dagmar | For the cool XScreenSaver hacks, of course. |
| 00:57.08 | Amarande | Arrow: so I can actually make use of wine and games? :) |
| 00:57.13 | Amarande | without getting 0 fps? |
| 00:57.24 | Arrowmaster | wine works on lenny? |
| 00:57.38 | frontendloader | is there a way to determine pet ownership from just the combatlog? |
| 00:57.48 | frontendloader | as in the specific player that owns it? |
| 00:57.57 | Arrowmaster | im assuming you are using the wine deb from winehq |
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| 00:58.27 | Arrowmaster | frontendloader: you can when the pet is summoned, i dont think you can if the pet is already out and you show up |
| 00:58.42 | frontendloader | oh what fun |
| 00:59.07 | Dagmar | That might actually explain some stuff with Omen |
| 00:59.21 | Dagmar | ...and Recount, for that matter. |
| 00:59.28 | frontendloader | nah |
| 00:59.35 | frontendloader | addons can determine ownership with ease |
| 00:59.35 | DWSR | frontendloader: Assuming that the pet is the pet of someone with a valid UnitID, you *could* do 40 comparisons. |
| 00:59.40 | DWSR | frontendloader: You could also filter by classes that are able to have pets. |
| 00:59.56 | frontendloader | yeah I suppose what I'll have to do here |
| 01:00.09 | batrick | u r |
| 01:00.13 | frontendloader | is just treat the pet as independant and link it to an owner at the end of my operation |
| 01:00.21 | batrick | Shirik: ping |
| 01:02.02 | frontendloader | DWSR: I'm operating outside of the game with this, working on a parser |
| 01:03.34 | DWSR | frontendloader: Ah. |
| 01:04.14 | frontendloader | might take me a few months to finish this but I've got a featureset in mind that'll make it slicker than worldoflogs and allow you to independantly host your logs |
| 01:04.28 | frontendloader | things that are slowing me down |
| 01:04.31 | frontendloader | 1. relearning perl |
| 01:05.39 | frontendloader | I'm trying not to look at stasiscl, since I'd like to structure things my way |
| 01:06.06 | Cide- | of all things you chose perl |
| 01:06.15 | ScytheBlade1 | perl is great for strings... |
| 01:06.16 | Arrowmaster | frontendloader: then you will be using the event from when the pet is spawned, there is no other way to do it for an out of game parser |
| 01:06.17 | frontendloader | what else should I have used? |
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| 01:06.22 | Cide- | s/chose/chose RELEARNING/ |
| 01:06.32 | Cide- | python, of course |
| 01:06.35 | frontendloader | well I don't know python |
| 01:06.41 | Cide- | nor do you know perl, it appears |
| 01:06.56 | frontendloader | eh I knew a fair amount of perl prior to this |
| 01:07.28 | frontendloader | never wrote my own perl modules or did any sort of object oriented perl prior to this though |
| 01:07.30 | Dagmar | The solution isn't to go learn a wholly different and less suited language from scratch, that's for sure |
| 01:08.02 | Cide- | when it's python, the solution is just that |
| 01:08.12 | Cide- | since python is useful for lots of things |
| 01:08.46 | frontendloader | my big problem is going to be setting up the web end of things |
| 01:09.24 | eidolarr | lua would be a better choice than perl |
| 01:09.28 | Arrowmaster | well you are obviously going to require a database, so really youve got two separate things to create |
| 01:09.34 | frontendloader | lua is an awful choice for this |
| 01:09.34 | Arrowmaster | eidolarr: no |
| 01:09.37 | Cide- | eidolarr: NOT for string manipulation |
| 01:09.47 | Cide- | in fact |
| 01:09.51 | DWSR | Cide: Perl has good string manipulation as well. |
| 01:09.54 | Arrowmaster | you need the parser for reading the logs and putting them in the database |
| 01:09.55 | Cide- | there are few choices worse than lua for string manipulation |
| 01:09.58 | Cide- | DWSR: obviously |
| 01:10.00 | Cide- | but not lua |
| 01:10.08 | Cide- | and python is > perl |
| 01:10.11 | Arrowmaster | and you need the website |
| 01:10.15 | eidolarr | i am poisoned by my loathing for perl syntax |
| 01:10.17 | Fisker | ~weather ekch |
| 01:10.19 | Arrowmaster | you could do them in completely different languages |
| 01:10.26 | eidolarr | awk would be better than perl! |
| 01:10.38 | Amarande | glah, now my head spins |
| 01:10.39 | DWSR | eidolarr: you mean dothis() if that;? |
| 01:10.45 | Amarande | is there no more nvidia-kernel-common package in 190.53? |
| 01:10.47 | Arrowmaster | i doubt there is anything faster than perl for parsing text |
| 01:10.48 | frontendloader | I suppose I'm going to either do Ruby/SQL or Ruby/XML for the web interface |
| 01:10.49 | Dagmar | Perl is better than python for dealing with strings. Come to grips with it. |
| 01:10.59 | frontendloader | not sure how I want to store my data yet |
| 01:11.11 | Cide- | surely performance is mission-critical here |
| 01:11.16 | frontendloader | well |
| 01:11.21 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: there is but its not versioned as 190.53 |
| 01:11.30 | frontendloader | XML is a bit easier for the end-user to use |
| 01:11.37 | DWSR | Dagmar: Did you finish? |
| 01:11.41 | Cide- | Dagmar: what's it got over python? native regex syntax? |
| 01:11.45 | Fisker | i just spent an hour shoveling snow |
| 01:11.45 | DWSR | I've added like another 40 minutes to the end of that mix. |
| 01:11.49 | frontendloader | and performance isn't mission critical tbh if you're just hosting your own logs |
| 01:11.49 | Fisker | is this the wrath of the lich king? |
| 01:11.54 | Dagmar | Speed and the fact that the language was written for it. |
| 01:12.02 | frontendloader | if I was going to host everyone's logs myself I'd probably use SQL or some other DB |
| 01:12.03 | Amarande | gah, I seem to remember this used to be simpler :) |
| 01:12.11 | Cide- | the fact that the language was written for it doesn't mean it succeded with its task; that argument is worthless |
| 01:12.14 | Dagmar | It wasn't written because some C programmers wanted strongly-typed binkies in a script format. |
| 01:12.21 | Amarande | but that was using a 6600, heh |
| 01:12.27 | Cide- | your only argument is performance, then |
| 01:12.40 | Dagmar | No, my argument is that I beleve it' |
| 01:12.50 | Dagmar | s better, and that most of the damn world agrees with me. |
| 01:13.01 | Cide- | your argument for WHY it's better is that it IS better? |
| 01:13.07 | jadakren | its better |
| 01:13.18 | Cide- | I'm sure it is |
| 01:13.19 | Dagmar | No, my argument is that you're not lucid, and you're wasting my time. |
| 01:13.22 | jadakren | it has electrolytes |
| 01:13.40 | Shadowed | Play nicely :p |
| 01:13.49 | Cide- | so you have no argument in reality |
| 01:13.57 | Dagmar | I do. And I'm done talking to you about it. |
| 01:13.58 | Cide- | "people agree with me and X because of X" |
| 01:14.08 | Cide- | sounds like a logically sound conclusion |
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| 01:14.15 | Dagmar | Yes, it is. |
| 01:14.17 | frontendloader | Meanwhile, in sweeden... |
| 01:14.28 | eidolarr | this is very intellectually stimulating |
| 01:14.32 | Dagmar | You're clearly only interested in wasting my time, and I'm not interested in having it wasted. Welcome to the ignore list. |
| 01:14.43 | Cide- | too bad it doesn't go two ways |
| 01:14.47 | Cide- | my ignore list doesn't save on exit |
| 01:15.02 | Cide- | anyway |
| 01:15.03 | eidolarr | wow guys |
| 01:15.08 | Cide- | all I wanted to know was why it's better |
| 01:15.14 | Cide- | all I've heard is "because it's better" |
| 01:15.15 | eidolarr | can we chill the ego tripping and talk about why it's supposedly better |
| 01:15.16 | Cide- | so tell me |
| 01:15.18 | Lopeppeppy | pickles |
| 01:15.27 | Cide- | anyone |
| 01:15.36 | eidolarr | to my understanding it's better because it's universal and everyone uses it, lots of supporting packages docs etc |
| 01:15.38 | Shadowed | ew pickles |
| 01:15.38 | Dagmar | eidolarr: Doesn't matter. No matter what argument you bring up, he'll declare it irrelevant |
| 01:15.50 | Cide- | oh, that's unfair |
| 01:15.54 | Dagmar | Now, if there's supposed to be some more "mature" solution than just ignoring the troll, I'm all ears. |
| 01:15.57 | Amarande | 's head spins |
| 01:16.01 | Cide- | I've only declared circular arguments irrelevant |
| 01:16.07 | eidolarr | Dagmar: i don't know if you guys are childhood nemesees or what but you didn't bring up any arguments yet |
| 01:16.17 | Dagmar | eidolarr: I did. Scroll up. |
| 01:16.28 | eidolarr | the bikini thing? |
| 01:16.36 | Lopeppeppy | cide sweetie, that's just how disagreeing with dagmar is. don't waste breath |
| 01:16.47 | Dagmar | Clearly, you don't care to look, so why should I care to retype it? |
| 01:16.50 | Cide- | I love wasting breath |
| 01:16.56 | Cide- | especially when it makes people I dislike unhappy |
| 01:17.01 | eidolarr | lol? i did look, i was asking if that's what you meant |
| 01:17.09 | Dagmar | The damn language was written for processing text. |
| 01:17.39 | eidolarr | sure but that was like 80 years ago, you don't think anything better may have come along? |
| 01:17.45 | Dagmar | The only thing that beats it in that aspect, the last time I saw a benchmarking report done (by Dr. Dobbs Journal) was C. |
| 01:17.56 | eidolarr | for speed? |
| 01:18.00 | Dagmar | Yes, for speed. |
| 01:18.10 | eidolarr | that's cool |
| 01:18.24 | Cairenn | reminds everyone that SHE has the largest epeen in this channel |
| 01:18.27 | jadakren | http://www.google.com.au/search?q=define:Perl |
| 01:18.28 | eidolarr | is that a magazine or something online |
| 01:18.30 | Arrowmaster | eidolarr: something better may have come along but its not python, python and ruby are still both considered to be extremely slow compared to other languages |
| 01:18.35 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: SS or it didn't happen |
| 01:18.51 | Dagmar | eidolarr: It's a professional coder's mag that's been around for ages |
| 01:19.01 | Cairenn | I win all pissing matches in here, settle down |
| 01:19.08 | Dagmar | They actually put tcl in there for testing, although frankly I think that was for a giggle |
| 01:19.14 | eidolarr | i must investigate |
| 01:19.25 | eidolarr | what about awk? |
| 01:19.40 | eidolarr | i am in love with that hideous little language |
| 01:19.52 | Cide- | what I'm interested in though |
| 01:20.02 | Cide- | is why performance seems to be the only factor in this discussion |
| 01:20.20 | jadakren | beccause waiting for a page to load sucks |
| 01:20.24 | Cide- | wait what? |
| 01:20.35 | eidolarr | yeah don't you think there's something to the argument that if performance isn't a huge concern, the language's cruftiness becomes a consideration |
| 01:20.37 | Cide- | it's parsed once and stored in a database in a native and efficient format |
| 01:20.58 | Shadowed | If you only code based off of performance, you're going to have someone hating you down the line |
| 01:21.01 | Dagmar | There's nothing crufty about perl tho |
| 01:21.16 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 01:21.16 | purl | Lopeppeppy: thanks |
| 01:21.22 | Cide- | and nothing has been said about comparing python's string manipulation to perl's in terms of usability |
| 01:21.25 | Lopeppeppy | Purl is great |
| 01:21.26 | eidolarr | i think to most people it is more cryptic than python |
| 01:21.29 | Arrowmaster | we were talking about parsing the raw log files, not using it to create an entire website |
| 01:21.34 | Dagmar | You can use as rigid or as loose (within reason, i.e., not writing incorrect code) syntax as you like |
| 01:21.35 | Shadowed | I disagree, perl is evil |
| 01:21.43 | Shadowed | oh purl |
| 01:21.47 | Shadowed | purl is evil too |
| 01:21.51 | eidolarr | lol |
| 01:21.56 | Dagmar | But *someone* wanted to campaign for his pet language and use troll argumentation to do it |
| 01:22.05 | eidolarr | man chill |
| 01:22.08 | eidolarr | we are all cool now |
| 01:22.28 | Shadowed | I'm kind of hot actually, it stopped raining |
| 01:22.28 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 01:22.39 | Shadowed | See, even Cairenn agrees |
| 01:22.51 | Cairenn | Shadowed is very hot ;) |
| 01:22.58 | Cide- | did I actually miss where I campaigned for python? I asked why perl's better |
| 01:23.00 | Shadowed | flatterer |
| 01:23.04 | Shadowed | (is that a word?) |
| 01:23.11 | Cairenn | yes |
| 01:23.16 | Shadowed | excellent |
| 01:23.33 | frontendloader | I couldn't tell you why perl's better, never used python~ |
| 01:23.47 | frontendloader | I know it certainly isn't a bad choice for combatlog parsing though |
| 01:24.02 | eidolarr | i guess if you are a perl guru, it becomes the obvious choice, but if you're only decent at both languages i'd def go for python just for ease of use |
| 01:24.04 | Dagmar | I'd say it's ideal for it |
| 01:24.21 | Fisker | http://www.mzzt.net/tf2/dark/unusedexplosion/default/Snowball/default/Cairenn.png |
| 01:24.31 | Dagmar | There's other languages for other tasks, but that task lands square in the middle of perl-space |
| 01:24.33 | frontendloader | I'm not a guy to use a language solely because "Its the only language you can use for this purpose" |
| 01:24.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker: ha |
| 01:25.33 | Cairenn | Fisker: heh |
| 01:25.45 | eidolarr | idk my point of view is, if performance is irrelevant, python's got pretty on its side |
| 01:27.14 | Arrowmaster | there are many different approaches though, since the combatlog is just a tsv (right? or is it csv?) you could just import it into a database and do all the work there |
| 01:27.56 | Arrowmaster | the important thing is to design it properly first so you know what to expect |
| 01:28.32 | Arrowmaster | performance is important though since it effects your hosting bill |
| 01:28.59 | Shirik | gets to reinstall his OS today! |
| 01:29.07 | Shirik | cries @ backup |
| 01:29.57 | Amarande | is pondering reinstalling Windows tonight! |
| 01:29.58 | Amarande | sighs. |
| 01:30.22 | Fisker | has a USB stick with Windows 7 on it |
| 01:30.31 | Amarande | I was hoping to wait till I had 7. |
| 01:30.33 | Fisker | is that awesome or what? |
| 01:30.47 | Cide- | you have to reinstall the 7 beta in like 3 days |
| 01:30.54 | Cide- | well, it starts bitching at you for real by then anyway |
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| 01:32.24 | Dagmar | Screw performance |
| 01:32.36 | Dagmar | Write the workhorse bits in Javascript and make the user's browser do all the heavy lifting. ;) |
| 01:32.48 | Dagmar | No more high CPU costs |
| 01:33.14 | Shadowed | I'm tempted to do that for EA to offload network costs of pulling down armory data :> |
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| 01:35.54 | Dagmar | Hah I was right... Almost one week later, CNN is running a story telling people to _avoid_ ChatRoulette. lol |
| 01:37.32 | eidolarr | ChatRoulette: 1 celebrity per 10k penises |
| 01:37.46 | DWSR | Are any WoWAce mods available atm? |
| 01:38.05 | Arrowmaster | why whatelse do you need? |
| 01:38.32 | Dagmar | eidolarr: Heh. One of the reporters was saying after using the site he had trouble going to sleep at night |
| 01:40.07 | DWSR | hold on. |
| 01:40.08 | DWSR | I haven't actually been able to check WA yet.\ |
| 01:40.08 | DWSR | Fucking train internet. |
| 01:40.08 | DWSR | "Some intermittent connectivity" Shit won't even load. |
| 01:43.10 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Ah, thank y ou |
| 01:43.12 | DWSR | Nevermind. |
| 01:49.22 | Amarande | the nvidia linux driver is apparently made of 4% black magic, 22% kicked kittens, 17% ehvul, and 57% string |
| 01:49.53 | Dagmar | I'll take it over the 24% black-hearted hate content in the ATI driver. |
| 01:50.21 | DWSR | Only 24%? |
| 01:50.26 | DWSR | You must have had the lite drivers. |
| 01:51.39 | DWSR | Last time I tried to use ATI on Linux I'm pretty sure I heard my CPU whimpering in pain. |
| 01:51.59 | eidolarr | i hear they got better about that |
| 01:52.05 | Amarande | Dagmar: at least I was able to get the ATI driver to install without a PhD in quantum mechanics |
| 01:52.19 | Arrowmaster | yes they have a new one thats can barely do 2d |
| 01:52.19 | Amarande | these install instructions are cryptic. |
| 01:52.22 | Amarande | not only are they cryptic |
| 01:52.30 | Amarande | but when I reread them to try to figure them out better |
| 01:52.34 | Amarande | they get more cryptic, not less ... |
| 01:52.39 | Arrowmaster | what instructions? |
| 01:52.46 | Amarande | Arrow: the debian instructions |
| 01:52.55 | alestane | Okay, I think Priceline commercials are pretty stupid, but seeing Bill Shatner playing his own evil twin (complete with sinister goatee) was pretty win. |
| 01:52.57 | Amarande | I built the lenny packages with the sid source, like the "simple sid backport" instructions say to do |
| 01:53.03 | Adys | !api WorldMapFrame_SelectQuest |
| 01:53.04 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'WorldMapFrame_SelectQuest'. |
| 01:53.05 | Amarande | and now it's asking me to install nvidia-kernel-common |
| 01:53.06 | DWSR | Amarande: they must be written in Sumarian, the oldest language in human history. |
| 01:53.27 | Amarande | I never got an nvidia-kernel-common & the sid sources for that need a debhelper newer than lenny's |
| 01:53.33 | Adys | nevcairiel: do you know if WMFSQ has been removed on the ptr? |
| 01:53.35 | Amarande | and installing more sid packages is going to be a disaster ... |
| 01:53.49 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: why the hell are you using lenny anyway? |
| 01:53.59 | Amarande | Arrow: because squeeze, so I'm told, isn't fully stable yet |
| 01:54.04 | DWSR | why the hell are you using debian anyway? <- fix't. |
| 01:54.17 | Arrowmaster | ofcourse its not fucking stable, lenny is stable and squeeze is testing |
| 01:54.24 | Amarande | oh right, DWSR thinks gentoo > * |
| 01:54.32 | Amarande | I've never actually tried gentoo |
| 01:54.42 | DWSR | Amarande: I wouldn't be bothering you if you were using Arch or Slackware. |
| 01:54.49 | DWSR | Or....not Debian. |
| 01:55.03 | eidolarr | lol check out this gcc warning |
| 01:55.09 | eidolarr | "srouted/srouted.c:2: warning: âmainâ is usually a function " |
| 01:55.15 | eidolarr | wonder who had to write that |
| 01:55.49 | Amarande | foxtrot uniform charlie kilo, I'm going to end up back in windows by tomorrow I can tell :S |
| 01:55.50 | DWSR | rofl |
| 01:56.02 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: where did you get this instructions at? |
| 01:56.04 | Adys | gcc has warnings for everything |
| 01:56.11 | Adys | Amarande: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:56.23 | Amarande | Adys: install 190.53 on Debian stable. |
| 01:56.32 | Adys | and what doesnt work? |
| 01:56.48 | Amarande | Adys: well at this point I'm scratching my head over the fact that after I backported the 190.53 source package from sid |
| 01:56.53 | Amarande | I don't have an nvidia-kernel-common package |
| 01:56.56 | Adys | what wtf |
| 01:56.57 | Amarande | and when I pulled the sources for that |
| 01:57.06 | Adys | dont do that |
| 01:57.08 | DWSR | Amarande: You should use Gentoo!! |
| 01:57.12 | Amarande | I found I couldn't build it, because debhelper isn't new enough in lenny. |
| 01:57.20 | Adys | *what* |
| 01:57.25 | Adys | http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us |
| 01:57.28 | Adys | download your driver here |
| 01:57.29 | Amarande | Adys: the provided packages in lenny and even squeeze are 173.xx which don't support the GTS 250 |
| 01:57.36 | Adys | dont do packages |
| 01:57.41 | Adys | http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us - download it here |
| 01:57.43 | Arrowmaster | Adys: binary installers are worse |
| 01:57.48 | Adys | no they arent. |
| 01:57.49 | Arrowmaster | fucking hell to remove |
| 01:57.58 | Adys | ./installer.sh --uninstall |
| 01:58.02 | Adys | thats not what i call hell |
| 01:58.03 | Adys | but fine |
| 01:58.10 | Adys | you'll be provided with a shell script |
| 01:58.18 | Adys | stop gdm/kdm, make sure xorg isnt running |
| 01:58.35 | Adys | sudo ./installer-190.53.sh |
| 01:58.39 | Adys | accept all the shit |
| 01:58.41 | Arrowmaster | ive not touched the nvidia binary installer but all the others ive used have been fucking hell that ill never touch any again |
| 01:58.45 | Adys | and there you go you're done |
| 01:59.09 | DWSR | Amarande: Why are you building from source in a binary distro? |
| 01:59.27 | Adys | Amarande: also it might tell you to install some stuff, but it's very concise |
| 01:59.39 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: because hes trying to use the stable branch but the packages are only in the unstable branch |
| 02:00.42 | Amarande | DWSR: in fact, even the testing branch doesn't have 190.53 ... only the full-on unstable does |
| 02:00.56 | Arrowmaster | thats on purpose |
| 02:00.58 | DWSR | Amarande: You should be using Gentoo.... |
| 02:01.08 | DWSR | 1 command. 1 command. |
| 02:01.14 | Torhal | emerge |
| 02:01.30 | Arrowmaster | anybody using testing, like me, can install from unstable without any issues at all |
| 02:02.06 | Adys | Amarande: please, if you want to keep your sanity |
| 02:02.11 | Adys | or whatever's left of it |
| 02:02.19 | DWSR | emerges |
| 02:02.19 | DWSR | When Debian says unstable they mean "We're pretty sure this works, but it doesn't have 5-10 years of solid time spent fixing it" |
| 02:02.21 | Adys | ignore everyone in here and do what i said |
| 02:02.42 | Dagmar | Yeah, their idea of "unstable" is a little heavy-fisted. I have to agree. |
| 02:02.44 | Adys | (and honestly dont use debian) |
| 02:02.55 | Adys | heavy-fisted lawl |
| 02:02.58 | Adys | more like stupid |
| 02:03.00 | Amarande | and apparently "stable" means "this stuff is only really any good on computers that have long since been put in the bin with the old moth balls" |
| 02:03.02 | Arrowmaster | Adys: nah he is still going to go insane when he starts trying to get a working version of wine on debian lenny |
| 02:03.12 | Dagmar | Amarande: Hence, Debian "Stale" |
| 02:03.26 | Arrowmaster | debian stable is NOT ment for desktops |
| 02:03.27 | Amarande | you know what really makes me laugh, Dagmar? |
| 02:03.35 | Amarande | there are people who run ETCH still apparently. |
| 02:03.36 | Amarande | ETCH. |
| 02:03.46 | Dagmar | a.k.a "The One Distribution Slower To Adopt Things Than Slackware" |
| 02:03.46 | Adys | Arrowmaster: branch the git repo, install headers, hey there you are just run make |
| 02:04.01 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: yes there are, because they are fucking stupid enough to use dreamhost |
| 02:04.17 | Amarande | wait, what does dreamhost have to do with this? |
| 02:04.29 | Dagmar | I'm guessing he means they use it on their VM images |
| 02:04.32 | Shirik | Cide: That's my problem :) |
| 02:04.42 | Shirik | it will shut down in 3 days so I have to actually do something |
| 02:04.48 | Arrowmaster | apparently dreamhost is finally going to fucking upgrade their VPS's later this month when etch security support is stopped |
| 02:04.48 | Shirik | I can't believe I have 30GB of documents... |
| 02:04.49 | Cide- | easy transfer |
| 02:04.59 | Amarande | Arrow: etch security support stopped 11 days ago |
| 02:05.05 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: exactly |
| 02:05.18 | Arrowmaster | they just decided now that its stopped that maybe they should upgrade |
| 02:05.29 | Amarande | lulz |
| 02:05.38 | Amarande | the sad thing is I have a domain hosted with dreamhost |
| 02:05.39 | Amarande | :| |
| 02:05.49 | Cide- | Shirik: have you looked into easy transfer? |
| 02:06.54 | Shirik | easy transfer? |
| 02:07.02 | Cide- | windows easy transfer |
| 02:07.07 | eidolarr | MS's skydrive gives you i think 25GB |
| 02:07.15 | Shirik | whassat |
| 02:07.36 | Cide- | allows you to transfer all libraries to either a usb stick, external hd, or another computer |
| 02:07.40 | Cide- | and then transfer it back |
| 02:07.40 | eidolarr | Cide-: isn't easy transfer from 1 computer to another? not for reformat? |
| 02:07.42 | Amarande | well, the one good thing I can say is |
| 02:07.45 | Shirik | nah nah |
| 02:07.47 | Amarande | the hardware worked perfecto from the get-go |
| 02:07.49 | Shirik | I want to wipe it anyway |
| 02:07.57 | Cide- | Shirik: just the data |
| 02:08.01 | Cide- | libraries' files |
| 02:08.33 | Cide- | user accounts, documents, email, internet favorites, music, videos, pictures |
| 02:08.48 | eidolarr | are you sure you can put it on a usb stick? |
| 02:08.56 | Cide- | and you get a report of what was transferred and programs you might want to manually reinstall after the transfer |
| 02:09.02 | Cide- | yes |
| 02:09.21 | Cide- | by network, some custom cable, or to a usb flash stick or external hard disk |
| 02:09.38 | haste | what netbook is hot atm? |
| 02:09.43 | eidolarr | oh yeah cool |
| 02:09.51 | haste | unrelated question is unrelated and undefined~ |
| 02:09.53 | Cide- | it's what I've been considering, Shirik |
| 02:10.06 | Cide- | you still need a reformat but it saves all (most?) of your data automatically |
| 02:10.35 | Nechckn | haste - not sure about hot, per se, but the HP minis are pretty nice for the price |
| 02:10.44 | eidolarr | although part of the appeal of a reformat is wiping all yuor settings and putting back exactly what you want |
| 02:10.53 | haste | Nechckn: *glares* |
| 02:11.56 | Nechckn | I have one of them and an eee that do all the usual crap - nothing special but nothing lacking. |
| 02:12.49 | frontendloader | I will say this about perl though Dagmar, I wish it had a syntax convention like lua for declaring multiple variables like lua for use with split() |
| 02:12.51 | frontendloader | where you could do |
| 02:13.07 | frontendloader | a,b,c,d = split(/,/) |
| 02:13.18 | frontendloader | perl, that is |
| 02:14.12 | haste | Nechckn: HP Compaq Mini 311C looks kinda interesting |
| 02:15.11 | Adys | Cide |
| 02:15.13 | Adys | Help me out :( |
| 02:15.46 | Adys | oh |
| 02:15.47 | Adys | nvm found it |
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| 02:15.51 | Adys | thats some heavy bullshit |
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| 02:16.35 | Adys | the real traceback is cls1.append -> cls2.__setitem__ -> cls1.__setitem__ |
| 02:16.45 | Nechckn | haste http://www.urlaptopclub.com/hp-compaq-311c-mini.html has a decent quick-view of it. And, yes, it does look promising. |
| 02:16.47 | Adys | and it only shows cls1.append -> cls1.__setitem__ |
| 02:17.04 | Cide- | are you sure? |
| 02:17.10 | Adys | positive sir |
| 02:17.29 | Cide- | put a print statement and check because I don't buy that |
| 02:17.29 | Shirik | positron |
| 02:17.30 | frontendloader | Nechckn: wow they painted it white, way to rip off apple |
| 02:17.41 | Adys | Cide, i tell you Im sure of this |
| 02:17.42 | Adys | sec |
| 02:17.46 | frontendloader | SARCASM_BIT = 1 |
| 02:18.56 | Nechckn | frontendloader Since Apple owns white and all. ;-) |
| 02:19.16 | Adys | Cide: http://dpaste.com/165425/ |
| 02:19.45 | Adys | Cide: I call WDBFile.append(dict), which is inherited from DBFile |
| 02:20.13 | Adys | DBFile.append calls WDBFile.__setitem__ |
| 02:20.32 | Adys | that last one transforms it into a DBRow and calls DBFile.__setitem__ |
| 02:20.41 | Adys | and an exception is raised |
| 02:21.02 | Adys | here's the traceback http://dpaste.com/165426/ |
| 02:21.42 | Cide- | yes? |
| 02:21.46 | Cide- | and it has both setitems listed |
| 02:21.58 | Adys | it doesnt :P |
| 02:22.03 | Cide- | yes it does |
| 02:22.08 | Adys | one of those is DBRow.setitem |
| 02:22.14 | Cide- | line 11 in that pastey is cls2.__setitem__ |
| 02:22.20 | Cide- | line 13 is cls1.__setitem__ |
| 02:22.49 | Adys | wow I need some fucking sleep |
| 02:23.11 | Cide- | I win |
| 02:23.14 | Cide- | good night |
| 02:23.19 | Adys | just because I fail doesnt mean you win |
| 02:23.25 | Cide- | but I still win |
| 02:23.30 | Cide- | <Cide-> put a print statement and check because I don't buy that |
| 02:23.30 | Adys | you may not. |
| 02:23.36 | Adys | i did |
| 02:23.38 | Adys | :( |
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| 02:28.32 | Shirik | (21:18:41) (+Nechckn) frontendloader Since Apple owns white and all. ;-) |
| 02:28.34 | Shirik | You didn't hear? |
| 02:28.40 | Shirik | They also trademarked the letter "i" |
| 02:28.55 | NightHawkTheSane | apple also copywrited shirik's mom. |
| 02:29.01 | NightHawkTheSane | copyrighted* |
| 02:29.07 | NightHawkTheSane | isn't paying attention, obviously. |
| 02:29.16 | Adys | writes a copy of NightHawkTheSane |
| 02:29.16 | Cide- | s/right/wrong/ |
| 02:29.17 | Shirik | you are a very strange man |
| 02:29.29 | NightHawkTheSane | thank you |
| 02:32.14 | Adys | Cide-: I love when my shit is working =) |
| 02:33.13 | Cide- | good for you! |
| 02:33.33 | Adys | Can I get your feedback on some code? |
| 02:33.45 | Cide- | 3/10 |
| 02:33.54 | Adys | thanks, will do for now |
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| 02:46.22 | frontendloader | heh I picked a good log to test this script on, aparently in one Twin Valks fight there are over 1000 unique GUIDS |
| 02:46.30 | frontendloader | because each of the fscking balls gets one |
| 02:47.05 | NightHawkTheSane | it would have to |
| 02:55.00 | Adys | thats pretty normal |
| 02:55.21 | Adys | each ball is a npc and each npc gets a guid |
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| 03:07.03 | Thunder_Child | ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 03:07.04 | purl | ~~~~~~~~~~~ are YOU READY?????????? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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| 03:26.17 | airtonix | wtf... |
| 03:26.27 | airtonix | why does my ghost follow me around ? |
| 03:26.33 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.38 | airtonix | Fuuu |
| 03:27.45 | frontendloader | yea I realize it is an npc therefore it must have a GUID |
| 03:27.57 | frontendloader | but what luck to choose the twin valks report and get spammed to hell |
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| 03:36.19 | Adys | airtonix: maybe you are haunted |
| 03:36.37 | airtonix | Some reason one click of the xchat icon launches two processes |
| 03:37.17 | Dagmar | Are they both xchat? |
| 03:37.27 | airtonix | yeah they were |
| 03:37.30 | Dagmar | ...or does one start like `sh -c xchat` |
| 03:37.41 | airtonix | airtonix 3746 1 1 Feb26 ? 00:24:23 xchat |
| 03:37.41 | airtonix | airtonix 5399 1 5 13:28 ? 00:02:05 xchat |
| 03:37.52 | Dagmar | Hmm.. That definitely seems broken |
| 03:38.31 | airtonix | might be docky but i checked the xchat.desktop file from the gnome menu and it just has "xchat" for the command to launch |
| 03:38.36 | Dagmar | Unless it's doing it with other app icons as well I cen't really figure what would cause that |
| 03:39.05 | airtonix | i removed it from the dock, so i should exit and test to see if it launches two again |
| 03:39.14 | Dagmar | Bleh. I haven't messed with Gnome Do enough to be sure of how it's working |
| 03:39.29 | airtonix | yeah its technically just docky by itself now |
| 03:39.39 | airtonix | i dont have gnome -do anymore |
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| 03:41.13 | airtonix | lol it happened again... from the docky icon |
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| 03:55.24 | Thunder_Child | it's nice to see they are starting betas on consoles now |
| 03:56.05 | Bruners | beta what |
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| 03:59.49 | Thunder_Child | dunno, it's top secret |
| 04:04.37 | Thunder_Child | and they released tiberian sun for free as well |
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| 04:42.08 | Shirik | I'm back! |
| 04:42.17 | Shirik | btw Shadowed, you were almost right |
| 04:42.25 | Shadowed | almost? |
| 04:42.27 | Shirik | I was inches away from forgetting to write down my Photoshop serial number |
| 04:42.33 | Shirik | but I grabbed it at the last second |
| 04:42.35 | Shadowed | hah |
| 04:43.08 | batrick | shirik |
| 04:43.09 | batrick | chess! |
| 04:43.13 | Shirik | Dude |
| 04:43.18 | Shirik | I doubt I even have flash right now |
| 04:43.23 | Shirik | need to finish installing |
| 04:43.29 | batrick | what'd you install |
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| 04:43.47 | Shirik | windows, what else! |
| 04:43.53 | batrick | pukes |
| 04:44.07 | airtonix | lulz |
| 04:44.35 | Dagmar | Shirik: install Chrome |
| 04:44.38 | Shirik | I did |
| 04:44.40 | Shirik | that was the first thing |
| 04:44.44 | Dagmar | Then you've proabbly got flash |
| 04:44.44 | Shirik | then IRC |
| 04:44.46 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:44.52 | batrick | not INTERNET EXPLORER??? |
| 04:44.56 | Shirik | no fuck IE |
| 04:44.58 | batrick | but you're a windows fan |
| 04:45.06 | Shirik | doesn't mean I'm a massochist |
| 04:45.10 | batrick | sure it does |
| 04:45.14 | batrick | you use MiRC silly |
| 04:45.33 | Dagmar | I don't recall ever actually looking for a flash plugin to install in W7. Chrome either did it in the background or I'd had a lot more sake than I thought when I was installing |
| 04:47.01 | Thunder_Child | #2 |
| 04:47.03 | batrick | so bored |
| 04:47.11 | Thunder_Child | you have to do it |
| 04:47.49 | batrick | shirik play chess in ur head |
| 04:48.18 | Thunder_Child | or manually if you have a board with you |
| 04:50.04 | batrick | shirik never plays chess anymore |
| 04:50.05 | batrick | QQ |
| 04:50.09 | batrick | maybe you will TC |
| 04:50.29 | Shirik | whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat |
| 04:50.38 | Shirik | You know how some computers come with those fingerprint things now |
| 04:50.48 | batrick | totally! |
| 04:50.56 | Shirik | apparently my computer comes with a face recognition utility (which I just found on toshiba's driver site) |
| 04:51.58 | Wobin | that fingerprint thing =P |
| 04:52.04 | Wobin | one of my work collegues has one |
| 04:52.11 | Wobin | it increases his startup every day by 15min |
| 04:52.23 | Wobin | as he tries to get it to register his thumbprint |
| 04:52.29 | Shirik | rofl |
| 04:52.35 | Wobin | and there's apparently no easy way to turn it off =P |
| 04:55.58 | Shirik | some day I'm going to get a smart card |
| 04:56.00 | Shirik | just to say I have one |
| 04:57.01 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, any idea how you would detect which user is currently logged into X and is the active session ? |
| 04:57.28 | Shirik | hit ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 04:57.28 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:57.37 | Shirik | then the answer is "nobody" |
| 04:57.47 | Dagmar | airtonix: There is pretty much one way to do it, if you have PAM. |
| 04:58.07 | Dagmar | pam_console is pretty much solely for tracking who's logged in at the console, and giving them extra privs as a result of this |
| 04:58.13 | airtonix | Dagmar, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1076486&page=4 |
| 04:58.30 | Dagmar | It makes a file in /var/run/somewhereortherwhichmightactuallybe/var/lib/console |
| 04:58.35 | airtonix | Dagmar, im looking at setting up scripts for running when laptop lid opens and closes |
| 04:58.39 | airtonix | ok |
| 04:58.42 | Dagmar | Pretty sure ubuntu has it unless they dropped it |
| 04:58.47 | Dagmar | I had to crib some clues about it from their setup |
| 04:59.18 | Dagmar | You should be able to hook lid events through the acpi handler stuff without a lot of fuss |
| 04:59.23 | airtonix | yep |
| 04:59.29 | airtonix | but, the script runs as root |
| 04:59.42 | Dagmar | I don't have access to a booted up complete install at hte moment but lemme see what I can dig out of the build script changelog |
| 04:59.47 | airtonix | and i want it to run a script in the users home folder as that user |
| 05:00.46 | airtonix | Dagmar, aha! i am having a file of the username which is logged in |
| 05:00.49 | Dagmar | Yeah pam_console is, as far as I know, the simple way to deal with that |
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| 05:01.22 | airtonix | Dagmar, ok, but. is that only users logged via gdm/kdm etc or all users that might end up logging in by other means also ? |
| 05:01.24 | Dagmar | It's the primary reason we put PAM in Dropline (which had to be BIG because of all the flack we caught for ti) |
| 05:01.41 | Dagmar | airtonix: As many people found out, if you link /bin/login against PAM it works there too. |
| 05:01.43 | Dagmar | It's PAM. |
| 05:02.18 | Dagmar | login and *DM's know whether or not you're at the physical console, and this hint gets passed on through to PAM when the user's credentials are authenticated |
| 05:02.20 | airtonix | ok i need to make sure the logged in user is not doing so remotely |
| 05:02.34 | Dagmar | No, if you're logged in remotely pam_console won't create the file |
| 05:02.40 | airtonix | sweet |
| 05:03.27 | airtonix | and there'd be a possibility that pam would make more than one file in /var/run/console/ ? (ie one for each user logged in via gdm...ego fast user switching ) |
| 05:03.33 | Dagmar | The main thing it was facilitating was changing ownership of physically removeable media like _optical drives_ so the user didn't need anything suid, and flash drives & floppies |
| 05:03.46 | Dagmar | ...and it would do it ONLY when the user was logged in at the console |
| 05:04.21 | Dagmar | airtonix: On that I'm not entirely sure, but I'm _reasonably_ sure that by what pam_console is supposed to do, you could wind up with two files there |
| 05:04.53 | airtonix | so i'd need another method to then determine which of the listed users is the currently interactive one |
| 05:05.21 | Dagmar | Aha. I double checked and I was wrong |
| 05:05.26 | Dagmar | See also: http://linux.die.net/man/8/pam_console |
| 05:05.44 | Dagmar | It'll only work it's magic when _no one else_ is logged in at the console (which seems reasonable to me as it's the safe thing to do) |
| 05:06.05 | airtonix | reading... |
| 05:07.02 | Dagmar | It's a Redhat-created PAM module, but afaik Ubuntu and other people use it |
| 05:07.25 | Shirik | wow |
| 05:07.29 | Shirik | Thunderbird 3 is pretty nice |
| 05:09.19 | airtonix | Dagmar, so just from skimming that page it seems that the interactive user is what pam looks at? if user switching is performed and say a "guest" account is then loaded up with gnome...then pam switches the user to that one ? |
| 05:09.35 | airtonix | might have to test this out |
| 05:09.40 | Dagmar | Then the account that first logged in still technically has ownership of the console |
| 05:09.52 | Dagmar | Last I checked fast user switching wasn't what I'd call "secure" |
| 05:10.14 | Dagmar | Nor can I really see any way to make it so |
| 05:10.22 | Dagmar | It _works_ tho |
| 05:10.48 | airtonix | i noticed it creates a temporary user account with a randomly prefixed name |
| 05:11.04 | airtonix | in the case of the guest account |
| 05:11.16 | Dagmar | I'll take your word for that. I've never seen this guest account thing |
| 05:11.48 | airtonix | what i dont want to do with this lid script is hardcode multiple paths to every user that might log in via gdm... |
| 05:12.05 | airtonix | dont want 3 sets of scripts firing off when the lid closes |
| 05:12.14 | Dagmar | well, whoever logged in first is who technically owns the console |
| 05:12.40 | airtonix | thanks for the pointer! |
| 05:12.42 | Dagmar | You should be able to trivially parse the gecos info in /etc/passwd to find the user's homedir based on the username you got from the console.lock file |
| 05:13.09 | Dagmar | If ther'es nothing in console.lock, then it's rather likely the lid was opened/closed and the screen's still sitting at GDM |
| 05:13.50 | airtonix | ok are you saying its possible that the name of the home folder might not be the same as their username ? |
| 05:14.20 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:14.24 | Dagmar | yes absolutel |
| 05:14.26 | Dagmar | y |
| 05:14.30 | airtonix | ok |
| 05:14.33 | Arrowmaster | you should never assume the home dir is /home/$USER/ |
| 05:14.42 | Dagmar | ~Arrowmaster++ |
| 05:14.46 | airtonix | not even use $HOME ? |
| 05:14.55 | Dagmar | $HOME will only matter to the current environment |
| 05:14.59 | airtonix | argh i cant use that either |
| 05:15.04 | Dagmar | It's not going to be the same under all processes |
| 05:15.13 | Dagmar | This is why I mentioned the gecos info in /etc/passwd |
| 05:15.22 | airtonix | ok |
| 05:15.25 | Dagmar | dagmar:x:1000:100:Dagmar d'Surreal,,,:/home/dagmar:/bin/bash |
| 05:15.43 | Arrowmaster | does ~$USER work? |
| 05:15.58 | airtonix | not if the script is running as root |
| 05:16.05 | Dagmar | Colon-separated, old as dirt, correct on every Unix I'm aware of excepting in the presence of NIS/YP, Kerberos and those sorts of logins |
| 05:16.18 | Arrowmaster | well however you get the username i mean |
| 05:16.53 | Dagmar | I don't think ~$USER is likely to do much under bash |
| 05:17.28 | Dagmar | ...or at least I'm not sure how reliably it might perform |
| 05:17.28 | kd3 | cd "~$USER" ? |
| 05:17.42 | kd3 | er, no. that won't work either |
| 05:17.58 | airtonix | this is the scenario : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1076486 |
| 05:18.20 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: btw nothing in my /dev is owned by me |
| 05:18.54 | Dagmar | You don't have to own them--you just need to be able to read/write to them--whichever is appropriate |
| 05:19.00 | airtonix | root script that runs in response to acpi events as the root user... which end up pointing at and running scripts in the users home folder somewhere as that user |
| 05:19.13 | Dagmar | ...but like thumbdrives and optical drives, you might not necessarily want to have _all_ accounts on the system be able to read/write to them freely, dig? |
| 05:19.58 | Dagmar | Like, if all accounts (and this is the actual "problem") have the ability to read/write to the optical disk, if a user logs in and burns a CD with their private files on it, another user can ssh in and read that disc |
| 05:20.32 | Dagmar | Slackware sort of solves that problem with a few extra groups you're supposed to give to users, as needed, but the problem is once they've got it, they've _always_ got it |
| 05:20.46 | Dagmar | pam_console ties those elevated privs to your actual presence at the master console |
| 05:22.17 | Dagmar | Looking at the man page for bash it's looking like ~$USER would actually not be all that bad, but it would ONLY work with bash |
| 05:22.37 | Arrowmaster | well you still have to find the user |
| 05:22.45 | Dagmar | airtonix: You need to generate dbus events |
| 05:22.48 | Arrowmaster | but yeah it beats parsing passwd |
| 05:22.53 | Dagmar | Seems like a much easier solution |
| 05:22.53 | kd3 | so, why aren't we using $HOME? |
| 05:22.56 | kd3 | scrolls up |
| 05:23.19 | Dagmar | kd3: Because the event's triggered by hte laptop lid being closed/opened, so it'll sort of float up out of a root-owned process |
| 05:23.30 | Arrowmaster | kd3: its running as root, he wants it to access something in the currently logged in users home dir |
| 05:23.53 | Dagmar | airtonix: Just have the acpi event generate a dbus message to all listeners on the bus, and then you can write a simple hook for pidgin to automatically set your away status based on those |
| 05:24.22 | Dagmar | dbus' documentation is kinda sparse, but enough of it's still put together with bailing twine and duct tape that it's _really_ easy to figure out |
| 05:24.24 | airtonix | Dagmar, thats good for pidgin, but maybe i want to do a bunch of other stuff... |
| 05:25.08 | Dagmar | There's no reason you can't do both, but it would likely be easier to make your root process change pidgin's status _that_ way instead of trying to send it a signal from somewhere else |
| 05:25.14 | airtonix | maybe dbus already looks for a script in the user home folder ? |
| 05:25.29 | Dagmar | dbus doesn't um, quite work that way |
| 05:25.40 | Dagmar | it's like a weird sort of multicast system for processes |
| 05:26.01 | Dagmar | You spew a message into it, and whatever other processes are listening get that message based on their filtering |
| 05:26.10 | airtonix | ok so then i make this lid event thing send out a dbus signal is that what your syaing ? |
| 05:26.18 | Dagmar | yeah. |
| 05:26.30 | Dagmar | I can't help but think someone's probably already doing that somewhere |
| 05:26.49 | Arrowmaster | i cant help but think gome-power-manager is already doing that |
| 05:26.50 | Dagmar | network manager uses dbus for telling the user stuff, and iirc talking to dhclient |
| 05:27.05 | Dagmar | ...assuming that by now they've come to their senses and gone back to using an external dhclient |
| 05:27.11 | kd3 | ...was about to say, I know there's events firing over dbus based on laptop lid events |
| 05:27.19 | airtonix | so then to take care of none dbus enabled apps i'd need to make a python app that listens for this signal |
| 05:27.33 | Dagmar | Yeah. Dbus bindings are actually pretty easy |
| 05:27.57 | Dagmar | I scribbled up two one night using bash script just to see if it was as straightforward as I thought |
| 05:28.01 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, i think it does but i dont think it then looks for and runs a script in the users home folder |
| 05:28.03 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: no clue, network manager scares me and plus seem really fucked up since i think i have to let the normal ifup stuff work first to even get booted with an ip |
| 05:28.17 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: ignore the script stuff |
| 05:28.51 | airtonix | but then the concept only works for apps that listen to dbus |
| 05:28.53 | Arrowmaster | you can make a script that gets run on login as the user that listens for the dbus stuff |
| 05:28.54 | kd3 | NM works okay as long as you aren't doing anything crazy like bonding or forwarding |
| 05:28.55 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Not sure if that's an artifact of them trying to change over to their own DHCP client implementation or not |
| 05:29.15 | kd3 | is finally only using NM as of f12 |
| 05:29.55 | Dagmar | I know that the last versions I was compiling used ISC's dhclient, which IMHO was win-win because it's got a simple interface for telling it what to do, it can call hooks based on DHCP events (which are easy to do as well) and they've already fixed all the vagaries of WTF weird crap you have to do with certain platforms/NICs to acutally go request an IP |
| 05:30.21 | Dagmar | ...and then their devel branch started including their *own* DHCP implementation and I started kinda covering my ears and humming |
| 05:30.27 | Dagmar | It seemed like a really bad idea |
| 05:30.59 | Arrowmaster | theres some problems with dhclient though i think, like it will change some settings even if you dont tell it to listen to them from the dhcp server |
| 05:31.00 | Dagmar | The usual "reinventing the wheel" with an added helping of "things that need root" and "things that listen on the network, all the time" just to add some more screaming and terror |
| 05:31.25 | Dagmar | Not sure what's going on with that. I've had to hack support in for a bunch of stuff |
| 05:31.40 | Arrowmaster | the hostname shit pisses me off |
| 05:31.47 | Dagmar | dhclient really ignores a LOT of things unless you go and beat the last mile into shape. Things like ntp server settings |
| 05:32.11 | Arrowmaster | having to hardcode it into the config file, or use a distro that patches dhclient |
| 05:32.12 | Dagmar | You can always tell it to reject or ignore hostname settings |
| 05:32.29 | kd3 | hugs fedora's dhclient |
| 05:32.32 | Dagmar | Prolly something like ignore { hostname }; in dhclient.confg |
| 05:32.57 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: no having to hardcode what it sends to the dhcp server as the hostname, for stuff like ddns |
| 05:32.58 | Dagmar | You shoudlnt' really ever need to patch it except for some of the stranger options |
| 05:33.00 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, is this something like what you are thinking of having me run to sniff for relevant dbus events ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1318223 |
| 05:33.15 | Dagmar | You don't have to hard-code that either. |
| 05:33.27 | Dagmar | You can lob it into /etc/dhclient.conf or pass it as an argument on the command line IIRC |
| 05:33.28 | Arrowmaster | yes you do |
| 05:33.34 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 05:33.38 | Arrowmaster | those are distro patches |
| 05:34.06 | Arrowmaster | upstream has no way to dynamically tell the dhcp server the hostname |
| 05:34.21 | Arrowmaster | so every damn distro has their own different patch for it |
| 05:34.46 | Dagmar | Mine's vanilla and the man page talks about a fqdn setting |
| 05:35.05 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: maybe, ive never messed with any of it |
| 05:35.17 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: not fqdn but the 'hostname' option |
| 05:35.18 | Dagmar | It's listed under the dynamic DNS section of hte man page |
| 05:35.42 | Dagmar | It says you have to set up a key and a zone (kinda obvious, that bit) and hten you set the fqdn option |
| 05:36.09 | Dagmar | I'm not sure you'd want to pick _just_ a hostname and expect it to be populated into every zone you go to |
| 05:36.55 | Arrowmaster | ok thats not what im talking about |
| 05:37.26 | Arrowmaster | my dhcp server creates the records automatically |
| 05:37.32 | Dagmar | So does mine |
| 05:37.39 | airtonix | Dagmar, does dbus-viewer sound like something you've used before ? |
| 05:37.48 | Dagmar | airtonix: yes |
| 05:37.55 | airtonix | Dagmar, is it a java app ? |
| 05:37.59 | Dagmar | nope |
| 05:38.12 | airtonix | $ apt-file search dbus-viewer |
| 05:38.12 | airtonix | dbus-java-bin: /usr/share/java/dbus-viewer-2.6.jar |
| 05:38.17 | airtonix | :( |
| 05:38.22 | Dagmar | I was working just from command-line stuff when I got down into it to get my hands dirty |
| 05:38.41 | Arrowmaster | send host-name "tohsaka"; |
| 05:38.50 | Arrowmaster | thats in my dhclient.conf |
| 05:39.23 | Dagmar | Yeah as far as I know that's a "normal" feature of dhclient |
| 05:39.32 | Dagmar | I used it *once* about um, six years ago |
| 05:39.47 | Dagmar | Some damn cablemodem ISP that needed the hostname in the lease request |
| 05:40.14 | Arrowmaster | because every other OS sends it by default |
| 05:40.31 | Dagmar | it's generally not needed. |
| 05:40.49 | Dagmar | You can't really _trust_ it anyway |
| 05:41.00 | kd3 | trust? in dhcp? |
| 05:41.02 | Arrowmaster | it is for the ddns run on most home routers |
| 05:41.08 | Dagmar | kd3: _exactly_ |
| 05:41.11 | airtonix | ok so first step: make a script to send dbus signal. |
| 05:41.29 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: the signal is likely already being sent |
| 05:41.33 | kd3 | ^ |
| 05:41.37 | Dagmar | airtonix: You should have dbus-monitor and dbus-send to mess with |
| 05:41.49 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, how would i confirm this ? dmesg doesnt show it |
| 05:41.56 | airtonix | Dagmar, ah ok |
| 05:41.58 | kd3 | dmesg doesn't do dbus stuff |
| 05:42.02 | Arrowmaster | dmesg is something completely different |
| 05:42.03 | Dagmar | Start with dbus-monitor. If it does what I vaguely remember i doing just leave it running and smack the machine around |
| 05:42.19 | airtonix | sweet |
| 05:42.28 | Dagmar | Notably do things that would result in those cute little popup messages happening in GNOME. |
| 05:43.21 | Dagmar | It's docs suck. but it becomes pretty transparent in operation once you've got the messages in front of you in realtime |
| 05:43.31 | airtonix | ok so now i need to make a script to run on login and stay running to listen for these particular signals |
| 05:43.42 | Dagmar | Yeah. Bog standard session stuff |
| 05:43.43 | airtonix | http://wiki.python.org/moin/DbusExamples seems relevant |
| 05:43.50 | Dagmar | You can probably tie it into the OTHER gnome listeners |
| 05:44.11 | airtonix | remember i want this listener to be owned by the user |
| 05:44.22 | Dagmar | Not a big problem |
| 05:44.38 | Dagmar | Like kd3 pointed out, gnome-power-manager is already using the heck out of it |
| 05:44.40 | Shirik | I think my ISP hates me right now |
| 05:44.50 | Shirik | I'm simulatenously downloading SC2, Aion, and VS2008 |
| 05:45.05 | Dagmar | Shirik: Heh. Start checking your FIN packet counts |
| 05:45.29 | airtonix | lol aion |
| 05:45.32 | Arrowmaster | option irc-server ip-address [, ip-address... ]; |
| 05:45.37 | Arrowmaster | ^^ dhcp option |
| 05:45.46 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: *shudder* |
| 05:46.03 | Arrowmaster | look in dhcp-options(5) |
| 05:46.07 | Dagmar | Probably one of the legion of options their server can/will send, but their client doesn't give a rat's ass about by default |
| 05:46.34 | Dagmar | ntp-server is only handled here because I scribbled in the hooks for it myself |
| 05:46.36 | Shirik | I like how I'm downloading the aion client, and it uses the same downloader as its patcher and it says "Upgrading from 0.0.0 to 1.5.0" |
| 05:46.40 | airtonix | Shirik, you should save yourself some money and play the chinese version of aion with the english language pack... |
| 05:46.46 | Shirik | no screw that |
| 05:46.54 | Shadowed | save yourself money, don't play aion |
| 05:46.56 | airtonix | game isn't worth the money |
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| 05:47.16 | Shirik | I have said this a million times before. Aion is an absolutely great game, but it is not a game that should be played by the majority of westerners. |
| 05:47.19 | airtonix | seriously latency dependant |
| 05:47.22 | Shirik | It is most definitely a korean game. |
| 05:47.35 | airtonix | its not the grinding that annoys me... |
| 05:47.44 | Shirik | If you really think that then you just need to get better ) |
| 05:47.45 | Shirik | :) |
| 05:47.50 | batrick | no u |
| 05:47.52 | airtonix | its the crap company not giving a toss about the quality of service |
| 05:48.02 | Shirik | quality's good enough for me |
| 05:48.22 | airtonix | im not talking about visually |
| 05:48.26 | Shirik | I know |
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| 05:48.39 | Shirik | if you WERE talking about visually, there would be something wrong with you because the visual quality is quite good |
| 05:49.07 | airtonix | even the visuals are only skin deep |
| 05:49.16 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:49.49 | airtonix | but i hear they are releasing a vampped version between now and next century |
| 05:51.08 | Arrowmaster | most ncsoft games look pretty but shouldnt be played by westerners |
| 05:51.22 | airtonix | right after they clean up the messy backend and allow for user created ui addons |
| 05:51.55 | airtonix | i mean i bet you they still haven't created a real spam filter |
| 05:53.34 | Dagmar | I would like to see the transition between animations made more fluid, but that's because I'm spoiled by WOW |
| 05:53.44 | Dagmar | There was some skating and weirdness I didn't care for in the beta |
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| 06:14.10 | Adys | did you know |
| 06:14.38 | NightHawkTheSane | yes! |
| 06:14.50 | Adys | on average, 2% of users will click on the channels of the publisher on a popular video (over 1M views) |
| 06:14.53 | NightHawkTheSane | but ive since forgotten :( |
| 06:15.12 | Adys | with videos of less than 100k views, this number rises up to 30% |
| 06:17.10 | NightHawkTheSane | intersting, but not surprising |
| 06:18.43 | eidolarr | makes sense |
| 06:18.57 | eidolarr | the ones with lots of views are things like |
| 06:19.02 | eidolarr | OVER 9000 |
| 06:19.16 | eidolarr | who cares what else that guy has done |
| 06:19.26 | eidolarr | vs a musician or a series of guides or something |
| 06:21.48 | NightHawkTheSane | its probably more a metric of one-time youtube viewers vs repeat users. |
| 06:22.12 | NightHawkTheSane | the popular video attracts a much greater sample of those one-time users, who just followed a link, or what-have-you. |
| 06:22.19 | eidolarr | yah |
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| 06:38.18 | Shirik | you |
| 06:42.47 | Shirik | it's too quiet in here |
| 06:42.50 | Shirik | omg is it really 2 AM? |
| 06:43.15 | Cairenn | yes |
| 06:44.51 | Shirik | Cairenn needs to go to sleep |
| 06:45.01 | Cairenn | so does Shirik |
| 06:45.09 | Shirik | no Shirik needs to finish installing his computer |
| 06:45.37 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:45.38 | Shadowed | suckers |
| 06:45.41 | Shadowed | and your EST time zone |
| 06:52.31 | Nechckn | Does Neverwinter Nights 2 compare to, say, ESIV/Oblivion as far as graphically? |
| 06:53.17 | Adys | goes Shirik to sleep |
| 06:53.34 | amro | wakes up |
| 06:53.50 | Adys | It's not what you think! |
| 06:53.59 | Adys | you gotta believe me, we were just talking! |
| 06:54.13 | Sargeras | bow to the superiorty of PST |
| 06:54.14 | amro | talking with your hands, were you?! |
| 06:54.17 | Sargeras | its 11 here |
| 06:54.20 | Adys | of course |
| 06:54.28 | Adys | browsershots |
| 06:54.33 | Adys | no active screenshot factories |
| 06:54.38 | Adys | with a big bad Out of service sign |
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| 06:55.05 | amro | you lost me there |
| 06:55.56 | airtonix | Dagmar, whats the quiv of && in python ? |
| 06:56.02 | Adys | airtonix: "and" |
| 06:56.25 | airtonix | Adys, so "if blah > 0 and foo == 1 " is ok ? |
| 06:57.20 | amro | yes |
| 06:57.29 | amro | can use "and", "or", "not" |
| 06:57.40 | amro | those are all boolean |
| 06:59.10 | airtonix | cheers |
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| 07:47.28 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 07:47.31 | Shirik | the AI says "gg" to you |
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| 07:49.37 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 07:49.42 | Thunder_Child | isnt that amusing |
| 07:49.58 | Thunder_Child | i just wish there was something harder than kindergardner |
| 07:50.02 | Shirik | yeah |
| 07:50.07 | Shirik | I got to his base with a massive force |
| 07:50.12 | Shirik | and I was like |
| 07:50.15 | Shirik | "wtf is this shit" |
| 07:50.32 | Thunder_Child | if you look at the build replay thing they stop building for 4-6 min or so |
| 07:51.01 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:51.04 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, gief ID! |
| 07:51.29 | Thunder_Child | tc.thunderchild at gmail.com |
| 07:52.15 | Shirik | isn't "tc" and "thunderchild" a bit redundant? |
| 07:52.43 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: you should jump into #sc2mapster most of us play there and set up games in there some times |
| 07:52.50 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: yes, but thunderchild was taken |
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| 07:53.56 | amro | should've gone for T-Child. |
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| 07:54.57 | Thunder_Child | that seems a little too 'black rapper' for me |
| 07:55.50 | amro | dem terrans be bitchin |
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| 07:58.00 | Shirik | A TSUNAMI WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR CHILE / PERU |
| 07:58.00 | Shirik | A TSUNAMI WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR ECUADOR |
| 07:58.03 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:58.38 | Thunder_Child | i want to be there :( |
| 07:59.00 | Thunder_Child | i would like to experiance every natural disaster at least once |
| 07:59.10 | Shirik | Magnitude 8.5 earthquake |
| 08:00.09 | Thunder_Child | 8.3 |
| 08:00.15 | airtonix | awesome, i did it |
| 08:00.17 | Thunder_Child | "8.3 Mw - OFFSHORE MAULE, CHILE" |
| 08:00.37 | Shirik | whatever |
| 08:01.01 | Thunder_Child | usgs emails ftw |
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| 08:09.55 | airtonix | VERY LARGE LETTERS IN IRC |
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| 08:14.34 | Thunder_Child | actually it would be nice for the most part if my irc client stripped formating |
| 08:14.59 | Adys | strips Thunder_Child and proceeds to format him |
| 08:15.24 | Thunder_Child | that sounds rather relaxing actually |
| 08:15.27 | Thunder_Child | ty Adys |
| 08:15.34 | Adys | my pleasure |
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| 08:17.29 | Adys | Dammit Shirik will you look at my breasts. |
| 08:18.08 | airtonix | (.)(.) |
| 08:19.09 | Thunder_Child | oh look Shirik, there is a new topic |
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| 08:45.39 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: ^^ |
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| 08:46.22 | Thunder_Child | thanks Cairenn |
| 08:46.24 | Cairenn | np |
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| 09:08.03 | Shirik | Thunder_Child |
| 09:08.06 | Shirik | am I not cool enough or something |
| 09:09.00 | Thunder_Child | eh, Cairenn is my goto person for that particular thing. possibly because i never have to explain what i mean. |
| 09:09.20 | Shirik | you have broken the sacred man-to-man trust |
| 09:09.37 | Thunder_Child | what, just now? |
| 09:09.42 | Shirik | yes |
| 09:10.03 | Sixen | We like you, Shirik. |
| 09:10.08 | Thunder_Child | thats a very sexist outlook |
| 09:10.44 | Shirik | it is the way of the males |
| 09:10.48 | Shirik | Sixen, ? |
| 09:11.21 | Sixen | (2:08:08 AM) Shirik: am I not cool enough or something |
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| 09:12.05 | frontendloader | question for the math heads in here, say you were to create a graph representing DPS vs. time from a combatlog |
| 09:12.08 | Shirik | I'm sorry, I don't really get compliments so generally I look for an ajenda when someone says something like that |
| 09:12.14 | Sixen | :P |
| 09:12.24 | frontendloader | how would you smooth it out, would you distill the data down into 1sec chunks or something? |
| 09:12.48 | Shirik | frontendloader: you would perform a weighted average |
| 09:13.02 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_average |
| 09:13.23 | Shirik | don't let that article confuse you too much, it IS a FIR filter but that's the hardware way to implement it |
| 09:13.39 | frontendloader | ah so I'd do something like |
| 09:13.52 | Shirik | in software it would just be like .5 * point[n] + .2 * point[n-1] + .2 * point[n+1] + .05 * point[n-2] + .05 * point[n+2] |
| 09:13.53 | Shirik | etc |
| 09:13.56 | frontendloader | take an overall 10sec block and weight each third of it |
| 09:14.13 | frontendloader | and the innermost third would be highest weight? |
| 09:14.20 | frontendloader | or something along those lines |
| 09:14.24 | Shirik | not really |
| 09:14.28 | frontendloader | theres probably a calculus way about this |
| 09:14.45 | Shirik | not really.... |
| 09:14.48 | Shirik | this is not a calculus problem |
| 09:14.51 | Shirik | well, I take that back |
| 09:14.59 | frontendloader | it sorta is |
| 09:14.59 | Shirik | You can perform a fourier transform on it if you really want to |
| 09:15.00 | Shirik | but you don't |
| 09:15.03 | frontendloader | haha |
| 09:15.09 | Shirik | And that's not a calculus solution, that's a DSP solution |
| 09:15.18 | Shirik | and that goes into what that article starts with, an FIR filter |
| 09:15.24 | Shirik | yes, you want to build a low-pass filter |
| 09:15.25 | nevcairiel | but fourier transforms are so fun to do! |
| 09:15.28 | Shirik | doing it that way is going to hurt your head |
| 09:15.41 | Shirik | Just do something like .5 * point[n] + .2 * point[n-1] + .2 * point[n+1] + .05 * point[n-2] + .05 * point[n+2] |
| 09:15.50 | Shirik | which is in fact and FIR filter but a really bad one |
| 09:15.52 | Shirik | not going into that right now |
| 09:16.34 | frontendloader | well I could take something like point*(1/(timeNow-timeThen)) |
| 09:17.18 | Shirik | why |
| 09:17.34 | Shirik | you should not use a causal system to do this |
| 09:17.42 | frontendloader | well, I guess your method works best if I just distill it down into one second chunks |
| 09:17.42 | Shirik | wait |
| 09:17.45 | Shirik | do you already have the data? |
| 09:17.45 | frontendloader | and is simpler too |
| 09:17.48 | frontendloader | yea |
| 09:17.52 | Shirik | or is it in realtime |
| 09:17.57 | frontendloader | no, post-mortem |
| 09:18.06 | Shirik | ok |
| 09:18.13 | Shirik | if you really want a true filter that you don't have to break into chunks |
| 09:18.15 | Shirik | it's possible |
| 09:18.37 | Shirik | but I would need some sample data before I could compute the parameters |
| 09:18.57 | Shirik | And I'm not going to teach you how to do it, that's a class in and of itself :P |
| 09:19.26 | frontendloader | I understand what you're getting at |
| 09:19.54 | Shirik | hm |
| 09:20.10 | Shirik | I bet you could use a PID-like computation as well |
| 09:20.19 | Shirik | though I don't know how good that would be |
| 09:20.24 | Shirik | and you might never reach your result |
| 09:20.36 | Shirik | I think that would be dangerous because the results could be off |
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| 09:22.01 | frontendloader | I'm just going to use your simple solution for now with the weighted moving average |
| 09:22.07 | frontendloader | and 1-second granularity |
| 09:22.34 | Shirik | that's what I would do |
| 09:23.11 | frontendloader | it'll be easier to work with once I get around to making the actual graph in god knows what web language I'll end up using |
| 09:23.13 | frontendloader | probably ruby |
| 09:25.32 | dharock | morning |
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| 09:26.36 | p3lim | hm need help solving HealComm math |
| 09:26.48 | dharock | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/133541-21et the frame you can find at line 26, i can't get it to show inside the mainframes, when i dump in wow say the frame doesn't exist, any idea ? |
| 09:28.17 | frontendloader | you have a stray s |
| 09:28.23 | frontendloader | Frame(s) |
| 09:29.08 | dharock | where ? |
| 09:29.09 | frontendloader | actually forget that |
| 09:29.20 | frontendloader | I have no idea what I'm talking about with wow xml |
| 09:37.46 | dharock | gah i'm getting confused with <frame> and <frames> |
| 09:38.03 | dharock | which goes in which ? |
| 09:46.26 | Arrowmaster | frame goes in frames i think |
| 09:46.37 | Arrowmaster | but most of us dont use xml very often |
| 09:46.42 | Arrowmaster | so i could be wrong |
| 09:47.26 | Adys | logic would dictate it's <frame> inside <frames> |
| 09:47.41 | Adys | and since it blizzard, logic dictates it's the opposite |
| 09:50.36 | Kalroth | <plural><singular/><singular/></plural> |
| 09:51.59 | Adys | pluralizes Kalroth's singularities |
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| 10:31.16 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch#v=mT8ybqLQ-aA&feature=related |
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| 11:08.31 | Adys | YOUTUBE |
| 11:08.35 | Adys | YOU ARE SO FUCKING FULL OF SHIT |
| 11:09.30 | Adys | do NOT fucking automatically play the next video when i just searched for one |
| 11:09.49 | Adys | dont you fucking have some of the BEST FUCKING DESIGNERS IN THE WORLD to tell you not to do basic retarded shit like that |
| 11:10.05 | Adys | dgkldjgkldfgjk. |
| 11:13.10 | Cairenn | hands Adys some valium |
| 11:13.28 | Adys | thanks <3 |
| 11:13.43 | Adys | hand me more, I need it |
| 11:14.02 | Adys | 3 years of youtube, 3 years of using one of the worst designed sites in history of bad |
| 11:14.14 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/18/funny-pictures-your-prozac/ |
| 11:16.19 | Adys | i dont go and spit on bad website designs usually |
| 11:17.16 | Adys | i dont blame the incredibly aggravatingly long amount of decimals after 99 out of the percentage of bad myspace or geocities pages |
| 11:17.53 | Adys | i dont even blame excruciatingly bad companies like microsoft when they just fail at designing something |
| 11:17.57 | Adys | but for fucks sake |
| 11:18.11 | Adys | google shouldn't be allowed to pull this shit off |
| 11:21.16 | frontendloader | can a melee hit be both critical and crushing? |
| 11:21.29 | Adys | no |
| 11:21.35 | Adys | crushing is specifically non critical |
| 11:23.37 | Cruciformer | 'lo everyone |
| 11:24.49 | Cruciformer | is it just my connection or is curse rendering really weird and only half-loading? |
| 11:25.08 | Fisker | how do i print my current ui scale btw? |
| 11:26.22 | Cruciformer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.38 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:27.32 | Fisker | Cruciformer's worked :o |
| 11:29.09 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.14 | mikma | there, its better |
| 11:29.53 | Fisker | :3 |
| 11:30.23 | Fisker | now all i have to do is remake my ui |
| 11:33.20 | Torhal | Fisker: Hello Kitty Adventure Island is old, Fisker |
| 11:35.26 | mikma | also, it's now illegal (Afaik) |
| 11:37.56 | Fisker | i wish |
| 11:42.07 | Cruciformer | So is it just my end of is curse currently borked? |
| 11:42.35 | Cairenn | loading fine for me |
| 11:42.59 | Cruciformer | weird mine gets tuck trying to laod something from media.curse.com and it renders real odd |
| 11:43.08 | Cruciformer | s /tuck/stuck/ |
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| 13:09.31 | Adys | Did you know |
| 13:09.51 | robotusch | Did you know the RNG is strong with Fisker's guildie instead of with me? |
| 13:09.53 | robotusch | >:( |
| 13:10.00 | Adys | A legendary weapon |
| 13:10.44 | Adys | takes a 3 times higher coefficient than a white weapon to repair |
| 13:11.06 | Adys | whereas a legendary armor will take 1.72 times higher coefficient only |
| 13:14.19 | zenzelezz | sounds highly coefficient |
| 13:17.40 | ZorbaTHut | is there even any legendary armor in the game? |
| 13:18.56 | Fisker | The closest we get to that is a necklace |
| 13:19.00 | Fisker | but that won't have durability anyway |
| 13:19.15 | dharock | yeah but the neck you think of is the MC one ? |
| 13:19.24 | dharock | with 1 personn in the world who got it :) |
| 13:20.06 | dharock | only the shield from KT would be repairable as armor |
| 13:20.20 | Adys | I'm just working with numbers! |
| 13:20.26 | Adys | don't blame me for the lack of game features! |
| 13:21.24 | ZorbaTHut | where do you get the numbers from, out of curiosity? :) |
| 13:21.32 | Adys | DurabilityQuality.dbc |
| 13:21.36 | Adys | and DurabilityCosts.dbc |
| 13:21.54 | Adys | maybe later when Im bored ill add repair costs to the db |
| 13:23.11 | Fisker | Though most of the features are wasted without some kind of access to ones character info :P |
| 13:23.37 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/item/40417/?durability=0 |
| 13:23.38 | Adys | what say you |
| 13:23.39 | Adys | :P |
| 13:25.14 | Fisker | The point i was making is that i don't think people will make the effort to show that |
| 13:25.23 | Adys | yep I know |
| 13:25.42 | Adys | I'm coding it for fun more than usefulness |
| 13:26.08 | Adys | it's like a physicist being able to tell you exactly when at least 20% of your fart will have reached china |
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| 13:30.21 | Adys | please tell me someone smiled at that joke :/ |
| 13:30.32 | dharock | i did :) |
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| 14:27.19 | Adys | Shirik: http://www.translationparty.com/#6699649 |
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| 14:55.38 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/S4huXXkljQI/AAAAAAAALKY/flF2bssTaUY/s1600-h/curling+cat.jpg |
| 15:00.33 | olafski | ahhaha |
| 15:01.06 | Wobin | http://community.livejournal.com/dear_gnome/539376.html?nc=10&style=mine |
| 15:01.09 | Wobin | wtftf? |
| 15:02.00 | nevcairiel | posting pages that require login = fail |
| 15:03.50 | ScytheBlade1 | = EPIC fail |
| 15:03.55 | ScytheBlade1 | get it right, nevcairiel |
| 15:03.59 | ScytheBlade1 | </fisker> |
| 15:05.11 | Wobin | oh it's locked |
| 15:05.12 | Wobin | pft |
| 15:05.16 | Wobin | you should join the comm anyway |
| 15:05.19 | Wobin | it's highly amusing |
| 15:05.24 | Wobin | in any case |
| 15:05.28 | Wobin | it was about a douche |
| 15:05.37 | Wobin | that joined a HVH pug |
| 15:05.45 | Wobin | then started the instance, and backed out through the doors |
| 15:05.56 | Wobin | then spent the entire run saying how he couldn't get in |
| 15:06.10 | Wobin | and VH being as it is, they couldn't find a period long enough to kick him |
| 15:06.24 | Wobin | So they deliberately wiped on Cygnosia so he wouldn't get the badges |
| 15:06.32 | Wobin | then they discover he's actually in the Stockades |
| 15:06.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 15:06.38 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf |
| 15:06.39 | Wobin | staying in combat so he can't get kicked |
| 15:06.59 | Thrae | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2010/02/26/fermi_shipments_till_april_pricing_reported |
| 15:07.02 | Wobin | So the rest of the party zone out, reform in the stockades, clear all the mobs around him and boot him |
| 15:07.16 | Wobin | Then go ahead and redo the HVH =P |
| 15:09.04 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:09.12 | nevcairiel | thats kinda awesome |
| 15:10.56 | Wobin | aw man, elitistarmory is broken |
| 15:11.02 | Wobin | the queue is getting ridiculous =P |
| 15:14.31 | zenzelezz | elitistarmory? |
| 15:14.45 | Adys | shadowed's armory thing |
| 15:15.38 | Wobin | http://elitistarmory.com/ |
| 15:17.16 | Fisker | got a character that actually works Wobin ? |
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| 15:18.10 | Wobin | ? |
| 15:18.15 | Fisker | on elitist armory |
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| 15:18.37 | Wobin | try http://elitistarmory.com/US/Proudmoore/Snuufur |
| 15:18.52 | Wobin | or http://elitistarmory.com/US/Proudmoore/Snuupy |
| 15:19.55 | olafski | hm just asked someone to spam recount stats and it seems skada reports about 20% higher dps than recount oO |
| 15:20.14 | nevcairiel | compare absolut dmg instead |
| 15:20.17 | Wobin | ... although snuufur's gear is a weird mix of my caster and tank gear for some reason |
| 15:20.22 | ScytheBlade1 | guess what? Measuring DPS is incredibly subjective |
| 15:20.24 | nevcairiel | dps is just a math formula that can differ through addons |
| 15:20.45 | Fisker | isn't this basically just like be.imba.hu or something? |
| 15:21.03 | Fisker | i think skada only reports "effective" dps |
| 15:21.05 | Wobin | yeah |
| 15:21.19 | Fisker | so if you die for example your DPS doesn't drop |
| 15:21.37 | olafski | hmmmm. |
| 15:21.39 | Wobin | isn't the effective dps of a dead person... 0? |
| 15:21.47 | olafski | but nobody died.. 20% is quite a lot |
| 15:21.56 | ScytheBlade1 | This is proof that measuring DPS is subjective. |
| 15:22.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Use those numbers accordingly. |
| 15:22.18 | Fisker | it also depends on the source |
| 15:22.27 | Fisker | because it doesn't stop calculating DPS until combat ends |
| 15:22.34 | olafski | damage done is higher for recount too :P |
| 15:22.47 | Fisker | And especially in ICC some people get out of combat earlier than others |
| 15:22.49 | olafski | but the difference is smaller |
| 15:23.01 | Fisker | meaning that the DPS stops dropping quicker than if he was kept in combat |
| 15:23.24 | Fisker | Well is it on a specific boss? |
| 15:23.32 | olafski | it was a VH HC run |
| 15:23.38 | Fisker | shadow boss? |
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| 15:23.40 | olafski | what bugs me more though is that skada displays dancing rune weapon and bloodworms as separate, can't find an option to include them |
| 15:23.43 | olafski | no |
| 15:23.48 | olafski | we had lavanthor and that bird thing |
| 15:23.58 | Fisker | dunno for sure then |
| 15:24.33 | nevcairiel | if you want some better data, look at a WoL parse with the graphs, you see the dps over the fight, and not some artificial total dps number |
| 15:24.38 | olafski | when people asked for dps for some pug raid and said "5k dps required" I was like "huh I'll never get that".. seems another addon reports 20% more dps ;) |
| 15:24.43 | nevcairiel | not sure if any addon provides a graph like that |
| 15:24.56 | Fisker | recount does as well i think |
| 15:24.58 | olafski | recount can show dps over time |
| 15:25.18 | Fisker | you can't get 5k dps? |
| 15:25.22 | olafski | I can now |
| 15:25.28 | olafski | not back when they were asking for 5 instead of 8 :P |
| 15:25.48 | olafski | actually I have no idea how much dps I'd do in a 25man group |
| 15:25.52 | cbreak | calculating DPS is hard |
| 15:26.12 | cbreak | it's no surprise that addons can't agree on a methodology |
| 15:26.17 | olafski | I'll try a WOL thing |
| 15:26.24 | olafski | can I just upload any log there or does it need to be a raid? |
| 15:26.33 | nevcairiel | any log should be fine |
| 15:26.37 | olafski | kay, just /combatlog? |
| 15:26.40 | olafski | or do I need to reload my UI |
| 15:26.43 | Fisker | it'll probably not detect bosses properly |
| 15:26.51 | Fisker | or zones |
| 15:26.55 | olafski | nexus started =) |
| 15:27.08 | nevcairiel | who knows, they might've just added the wotlk 5 mans |
| 15:27.15 | nevcairiel | its not like they require special handling |
| 15:27.23 | nevcairiel | the fights are pretty straight forward |
| 15:27.33 | Fisker | Blizzard should get in the combatlog business |
| 15:27.57 | Fisker | And by that i mean not having to rely on a client combatlog but get one directly from the server |
| 15:28.13 | nevcairiel | stats like in the BG for bosses |
| 15:28.16 | nevcairiel | total healing/dmg |
| 15:32.47 | A-KO | the client combat log has a 100y range does it not? |
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| 15:33.03 | nevcairiel | visibility |
| 15:33.08 | nevcairiel | its not clearly defined |
| 15:33.20 | nevcairiel | depends on some client settings and that |
| 15:41.55 | Qzot_ | Q: If an addon is looking for some set of items which might or might not show up in someone's inventory, how do you efficiently check for the appearance of one of those items without slowing the whole system down? |
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| 15:44.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep an index of the bags, update that index when it changes? |
| 15:44.32 | ScytheBlade1 | then scan the index? |
| 15:44.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Though tbh local bag scanning is pretty painless |
| 15:46.31 | Qzot_ | Hmm. I wonder what I'm doing that chews up time, then. |
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| 15:47.26 | olafski | hum I can' |
| 15:47.28 | olafski | ehh |
| 15:47.33 | olafski | hum I can't even find the upload button WOL :P |
| 15:47.52 | Qzot_ | Does GetMacroIndexByName always ping the server? |
| 15:48.01 | Qzot_ | I wouldn't expect so. |
| 16:06.18 | nevcairiel | olafski: just run the client and upload with it :p |
| 16:07.43 | olafski | yeah just did |
| 16:07.54 | olafski | and then I found out that unlike recount, skada does not save the logs per-character |
| 16:08.07 | olafski | so running stratholme with another char messed it up, have to make a new log |
| 16:08.26 | olafski | oh wow it even has live logging oO |
| 16:08.34 | nevcairiel | yeah the live logging is awesome |
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| 16:20.00 | Adys | Wobin |
| 16:20.21 | Fisker | WobWork |
| 16:20.31 | Adys | yo mamma. |
| 16:20.51 | Adys | Adys is 13th of 9238 \o/ |
| 16:20.56 | Adys | man was I bored |
| 16:23.35 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
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| 17:06.29 | olafski | mm just did a pit of saron run that was more like an exercise to stay awake |
| 17:08.32 | olafski | the damage is more or less the same in WOL and skada, but dps are nothing alike :) good to know |
| 17:13.58 | Shadowed | Queue looks fine to me WobWork |
| 17:14.13 | Shadowed | Monit doesn't show the worker dying either |
| 17:14.39 | Shadowed | View job errors (557) |
| 17:14.41 | Shadowed | maybe not |
| 17:14.52 | zenzelezz | EU was 404ing |
| 17:14.56 | Shadowed | ah |
| 17:15.05 | zenzelezz | still is I think |
| 17:15.07 | Shadowed | EU armory isn't very stable in general |
| 17:15.20 | Shadowed | Yea these are all EU characters |
| 17:16.19 | Shadowed | ah maintenance |
| 17:19.20 | Adys | percent = "%.2g%%" % percent |
| 17:19.34 | Adys | say this out loud three times very fast |
| 17:20.43 | olafski | the EU armory has been horrible the past few days :< |
| 17:20.58 | Adys | it's been horrible for the past 2 years |
| 17:21.01 | Adys | where have you been living |
| 17:25.47 | olafski | actually it was fine for me the past couple of months |
| 17:25.50 | olafski | before that it was bad too though |
| 17:26.02 | olafski | but since about 2 days ago it's been maintenance, server errors and all that |
| 17:32.21 | zenzelezz | hm, 8.8 quake in Chile o_O |
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| 17:51.43 | alestane | And tidal waves forecasted throughout the Pacific as a result, apparently. |
| 17:52.11 | zenzelezz | yeah, tsunami warnings sent to 53 countries :-o |
| 17:55.27 | Shadowed | damnit |
| 17:55.30 | Shadowed | the EU armory is back :( |
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| 18:02.28 | Cide | damn! |
| 18:07.18 | Adys | mumbles |
| 18:07.37 | Adys | anyone knows if the EU blizzard store will be restocked in wind rider cubs? |
| 18:08.14 | zenzelezz | hope so |
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| 18:23.56 | alestane | "I couldn't have survived National Honor Society without drinking. |
| 18:23.56 | alestane | "Running those anti- teen alcohol campaigns would have been murder sober." |
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| 18:34.56 | Adys | Cide :( |
| 18:35.00 | Adys | Why does this happen |
| 18:35.01 | Adys | >>> "%.2g" % 100.0 |
| 18:35.01 | Adys | '1e+02' |
| 18:36.29 | Adys | nevcairiel: ^ |
| 18:36.37 | zenzelezz | what is that supposed to do? |
| 18:36.50 | Adys | output "100", or so I'd think |
| 18:37.03 | zenzelezz | >>> "%.2g" |
| 18:37.10 | zenzelezz | lua> "%.2g" |
| 18:37.12 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: %.2g |
| 18:37.28 | Adys | lua> ("%.2g"):format(100.0) |
| 18:37.30 | zenzelezz | guess I'm missing the context |
| 18:37.30 | lua_bot | Adys: 1e+02 |
| 18:37.44 | Adys | oh |
| 18:37.50 | Adys | uhggm |
| 18:38.08 | zenzelezz | f? |
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| 18:51.34 | alestane | Using the percent symbol as a format operator is a Python thing, and I think it's deprecated. |
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| 18:56.01 | Gagorian | Adys: What do you want to do? Or did you manage to solve it already? |
| 18:56.27 | Adys | alestane: it's not |
| 18:56.54 | Adys | they added string.format in python 3.1, but they havent decided whether to replace modulo overload with that |
| 18:58.08 | alestane | I thought the tutorials I was reading said they were encouraging people to give up the % syntax, but it's been a while and I could be fuzzy on that. |
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| 18:58.37 | Adys | they recommend using str.format |
| 18:58.57 | Adys | but python 3.x is still not widely deployed at all |
| 18:59.40 | Milyardo | :s/3.x/x.x/ |
| 18:59.42 | Milyardo | :) |
| 19:04.01 | Adys | .. i dont get it |
| 19:04.06 | Adys | are you trying to be funny? |
| 19:09.15 | zenzelezz | http://media.fvn.no/archive/00470/usikretlast2_470932b.jpg - "Hey guys, I don't really need to tie down these blocks of concrete, do I?" |
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| 19:10.27 | Fisker | i almost thought that was dkdk zenzelezz |
| 19:10.55 | zenzelezz | it almost is; my town is just across the water from Denmark |
| 19:13.27 | Fisker | you mean like how alaska is next to russia? |
| 19:13.37 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 19:13.49 | Thunder_Child | âWe like the woman in the wheelchair, but we donât want people to think being in a wheelchair makes her less feminine. You need to make her breasts larger.â >.< |
| 19:14.02 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 19:16.20 | Fisker | sweet |
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| 19:28.06 | Thrae | Heh, I logged into another server, made another Druid named Thrae, raised 30 copper, and sent mail to a poor Shammie healer who was in the most horrible PUG I've been in. The healer was doing alright, and the hunter was OK, it was the super-DPS-attack-what's-in-front-of-me-and-keep-spamming-recount-report Paladin and unfocused DK |
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| 19:33.55 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/415566994/ |
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| 19:53.30 | Fisker | why would you do such a thing Thrae? |
| 19:57.15 | cog|away | alestane: just had a double take at an orc hunter named Aleshanee |
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| 20:11.16 | Audible | zenzelezz : are you from kristiansand ? |
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| 20:36.44 | Adys | anyone has a sc2 invite lying aroun? |
| 20:36.45 | Adys | +d |
| 20:37.37 | Shirik | Rofl: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mario&diff=346589807&oldid=346573754 |
| 20:37.50 | Adys | HOP YOU LITTLE PLUMBER |
| 20:38.04 | Shirik | Someone added the category "Fictional mass murderers" to Mario |
| 20:38.23 | Shirik | "adding category Fictional mass murderers per the result of pressing 'down' while on a hill filled with goombas, koopas, etc." |
| 20:38.45 | Cide- | sounds reasonable enough to me |
| 20:38.55 | Shadowed | hahah |
| 20:39.14 | olafski | agreed |
| 20:40.02 | airtonix | hardarse |
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| 20:42.50 | Shirik | That earthquake was 8.8? |
| 20:42.51 | Shirik | wtf |
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| 20:43.11 | cog|away | hmm... dps queue gets much longer on Saturday. Probably alcohol-related |
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| 20:47.25 | Shirik | sigh |
| 20:47.28 | Shirik | I have to go out today |
| 20:47.36 | Shirik | I hate bike week |
| 20:47.44 | mikma | shirik: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/02/earthquake_in_chile.html |
| 20:48.12 | Cide- | trading 1 HoN invite <=> 1 SC2 invite, pm me |
| 20:48.17 | Cide- | >:) |
| 20:48.26 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide- hold |
| 20:48.41 | sag_ich_nicht | I might be able to trade one |
| 20:48.44 | Shadowed | what kind of trade is that |
| 20:48.51 | Shadowed | That's like trading $1 for $100 |
| 20:49.03 | Cide- | NO |
| 20:49.05 | Cide- | IT'S FAIR |
| 20:49.15 | sag_ich_nicht | shut up I want the SC2 invite so gtfo Shadowed :P |
| 20:49.19 | Shadowed | Maybe if the $100 is zimbobway currency |
| 20:49.22 | Cide- | wait what? |
| 20:49.23 | Shadowed | (I have no idea how you spell that) |
| 20:49.26 | Cide- | I need the sc2 invite |
| 20:49.37 | Cide- | I have ~15 HoN invites to give away |
| 20:49.41 | Cide- | and it wasn't a serious offer |
| 20:49.45 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 20:49.46 | sag_ich_nicht | oh |
| 20:49.50 | sag_ich_nicht | you wanted a SC2 invite |
| 20:49.50 | Cide- | although I'll take anyone up for it if they're that stupid |
| 20:49.52 | sag_ich_nicht | facepalm |
| 20:49.54 | haste | everyone has 10+ HoN invites :P |
| 20:49.58 | Cide- | shh |
| 20:49.59 | sag_ich_nicht | you said it like you offer a SC2 invite |
| 20:50.00 | sag_ich_nicht | you fool |
| 20:50.02 | sag_ich_nicht | I will hurt you |
| 20:50.11 | Cide- | >:) |
| 20:50.32 | Shirik | I don't have any HoN invites |
| 20:50.38 | Shirik | Cide-! |
| 20:50.39 | Shirik | What is your ID |
| 20:50.44 | Cide- | hm? |
| 20:50.49 | Shirik | SC2 |
| 20:50.50 | Shirik | gief id |
| 20:50.51 | Cide- | ... |
| 20:50.52 | Thunder_Child | he doesnt have it |
| 20:50.55 | Cide- | I don't have it |
| 20:50.55 | Shirik | oh |
| 20:50.55 | Thunder_Child | he wants it |
| 20:51.00 | Shirik | how do you not have it! |
| 20:51.05 | Cide- | EXACTLY |
| 20:51.10 | Cide- | I can give you a hon invite for free if you want, however |
| 20:51.13 | sag_ich_nicht | I don't have it either :( |
| 20:51.15 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:51.19 | Shirik | no thanks |
| 20:51.25 | Cide- | it's a good game |
| 20:51.31 | sag_ich_nicht | I reported a million WotLK bugs |
| 20:51.32 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 20:51.38 | Cide- | I reported over 9000 million |
| 20:51.40 | sag_ich_nicht | where is my invite |
| 20:51.43 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 20:51.48 | Cide- | I think my computer is too good |
| 20:51.52 | Cide- | they have too many people like me |
| 20:51.57 | sag_ich_nicht | look |
| 20:52.31 | sag_ich_nicht | blizzard should really know by now that my computer attracts bugs like nothing else |
| 20:52.39 | Adys | Cide |
| 20:52.40 | Thunder_Child | damit, i am an hour to late to go to the beach and look for a tsunami |
| 20:52.42 | Cide- | yep |
| 20:52.43 | Adys | Ill sell you my hon invites |
| 20:52.44 | sag_ich_nicht | I mean seriously, you know how many obscure addon bugs I have found =3= |
| 20:52.49 | Cide- | why would I want more? |
| 20:52.50 | Adys | they're special invites which you can sell on the black market |
| 20:53.05 | Adys | the keys all begin with SC2ROX |
| 20:53.09 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 20:53.45 | Adys | night |
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| 21:04.09 | ckknight | Shirik: what's your SC2 ID? |
| 21:04.15 | ckknight | I'm ckknight.ckknight |
| 21:04.25 | Shirik | Shirik.shirik |
| 21:04.45 | ckknight | added |
| 21:04.49 | Shirik | :) |
| 21:05.24 | olafski | is there any reason why those IDs have the same name twice with a period? |
| 21:05.32 | ScytheBlade1 | You *can* vary them |
| 21:05.35 | olafski | hmm |
| 21:05.35 | ScytheBlade1 | People just don't |
| 21:05.40 | ckknight | it's so I can be called "ckknight" without it being unique |
| 21:05.47 | ckknight | so I'm ckknight.coolguy, you're ckknight.someass |
| 21:05.48 | olafski | so it's just a requirement to enter two names? |
| 21:05.51 | ckknight | yes. |
| 21:05.54 | olafski | okay :) |
| 21:06.07 | ckknight | for the most part, the first section shows |
| 21:06.09 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.battle.net/board.html?forumId=25352525&sid=5000 |
| 21:06.15 | ScytheBlade1 | note the names along the "posted by" column |
| 21:06.19 | ScytheBlade1 | well, author |
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| 21:07.13 | DWSR | Random thought for the day: Troll druid tree form = ganja plants. |
| 21:07.37 | ckknight | dude ... |
| 21:07.39 | ckknight | wait, what? |
| 21:08.08 | olafski | lol |
| 21:08.33 | DWSR | I would be really really really happy if they did that, tbh. |
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| 21:12.16 | ZorbaTHut | call me crazy but I suspect they are not going to make that blatant of a marijuana reference in their game for teenagers |
| 21:13.18 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: They make sexual references all the time. |
| 21:13.52 | ZorbaTHut | in america, as long as you're not actually showing naked flesh of any kind or explaining anything in detail, sexual references are A-OK |
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| 21:14.31 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: that definition's pretty wide. |
| 21:14.31 | ZorbaTHut | plus it's not like there's a race whose bear form has a giant dong |
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| 21:14.59 | DWSR | Plus, you can make the plant look only passingly like a marijuana plant. |
| 21:15.06 | ZorbaTHut | there's a big difference between "off-handed comment in quest text" and "now you are going to be staring at a gigantic penis for your next six hundred hours of raiding" |
| 21:15.07 | DJJeff | Curse.Com client is fefuseing to startup |
| 21:15.10 | DWSR | I mean, you can just call it a "shrug" or something |
| 21:15.13 | ZorbaTHut | man, seriously, they put the leaves in, it'll be in major newspapers within a week |
| 21:15.17 | DJJeff | is there a server outage? |
| 21:15.30 | DJJeff | refusing* |
| 21:15.30 | DWSR | DJJeff: It's fine here. What are you having problems with specifically? |
| 21:16.06 | DJJeff | the process is showing up in my Process Explorer |
| 21:16.14 | DJJeff | but the login screen is not coming up |
| 21:16.23 | DJJeff | it worked fine last night |
| 21:16.42 | DJJeff | I shut down my computer turned it on just now and nothing |
| 21:17.06 | DJJeff | next step is to check logs |
| 21:17.12 | DWSR | DJJeff: Manually kill the process in Task Manager and restart it? |
| 21:17.20 | DJJeff | just tried that |
| 21:17.34 | DJJeff | error came up |
| 21:17.49 | DJJeff | " could not establish with update server start anyway " |
| 21:18.10 | DJJeff | I can ping wow.curse.com |
| 21:18.29 | DJJeff | Reply from 69.57.184.221: bytes=32 time=101ms TTL=55 |
| 21:19.12 | DJJeff | CurseClient.exe:2420TCP192.168.1.115:1081208.116.38.233:80SYN_SENT |
| 21:19.27 | DJJeff | 208.116.38.233 is down |
| 21:20.33 | DJJeff | can anyone confirm that 208.116.38.233 is down ? |
| 21:20.46 | DJJeff | I get request timed out when I ping |
| 21:21.18 | ckknight | curse looks up to me |
| 21:21.31 | ckknight | and I can ping that IP |
| 21:21.31 | DJJeff | can you ping 208.116.38.233 for me please? |
| 21:21.36 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 21:21.37 | ckknight | just did, looks fine |
| 21:21.53 | cog|away | http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/greedygreedy.png |
| 21:21.55 | DJJeff | am I blocked from your end? |
| 21:22.19 | DJJeff | I am gonna try and force my modem to give me a new ip |
| 21:22.21 | DJJeff | brb |
| 21:22.31 | ckknight | we don't ban GETs by IP |
| 21:22.31 | ckknight | afaik |
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| 21:24.03 | DJJeff | http://pastebin.ca/1814839 |
| 21:24.09 | DJJeff | please check my pastebin |
| 21:24.20 | DJJeff | I am firewalled from all ports |
| 21:24.52 | Kaso | Anyone know about rogue leveling? I presume combat swords is the way to go? which glyphs are good at low level? |
| 21:25.14 | ckknight | DJJeff: can you hit wowace.com? |
| 21:25.34 | DJJeff | yes |
| 21:25.35 | DJJeff | I can |
| 21:25.48 | ckknight | hmm |
| 21:25.51 | ckknight | same data center |
| 21:25.54 | DJJeff | wowace.com (216.67.241.136) |
| 21:26.15 | DJJeff | port 22 and 80 are open |
| 21:26.17 | DJJeff | on this ip |
| 21:26.45 | ckknight | that sounds right |
| 21:27.01 | ZorbaTHut | kaso, that's what I did. there's a Sinister Strike glyph that improves your overall stabbiness. |
| 21:27.11 | ZorbaTHut | you're probably not going to bother with slice'n'dice ever |
| 21:27.15 | ZorbaTHut | you just kill shit too fast |
| 21:27.55 | Kaso | Yah, esp as im in a group mostly |
| 21:28.29 | ZorbaTHut | LFD, or grouping with friends? |
| 21:28.31 | Gnarfoz | cogwheel: haha @ screenshot :D |
| 21:28.41 | ZorbaTHut | if it's LFD you actually do care about slice and dice |
| 21:29.05 | *** join/#wowuidev DJJeff2 (~crazyjeff@d154-20-197-95.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 21:29.07 | DJJeff2 | ok I changed my ip from my modem |
| 21:29.11 | DJJeff2 | media3.curse.com (208.116.38.233) |
| 21:29.16 | DJJeff2 | is still down for me |
| 21:29.17 | ZorbaTHut | BTW, this will seem unintuitive, but you'll get more damage from Wound Poison x2 than from anything else |
| 21:29.53 | DJJeff2 | is there an alt ip I can redirect media3.curse.com to ? |
| 21:30.49 | DJJeff2 | media1.curse.com (69.57.184.206) |
| 21:30.50 | DJJeff2 | is up |
| 21:30.58 | DJJeff2 | port 21 and 80 are open |
| 21:32.17 | DJJeff2 | media 4 5 6 are up |
| 21:32.28 | DJJeff2 | 2 and 3 are firewalled |
| 21:33.51 | DJJeff2 | media2.curse.com (208.116.38.230) |
| 21:34.34 | *** join/#wowuidev kraftman (~kraft_@94.196.83.93.threembb.co.uk) |
| 21:40.46 | Kaso | ZorbaTHut, no grouping with friends, doing quests |
| 21:40.53 | Kaso | ZorbaTHut, why is that for the poisons? |
| 21:41.17 | ZorbaTHut | Instant Poison has a significantly lower proc rate than Wound Poison does without the improved poisons talent |
| 21:41.25 | ZorbaTHut | and Deadly Poison will never get a chance to stack up enough to be useful |
| 21:41.29 | Kaso | ah interesting |
| 21:41.45 | ZorbaTHut | it is one of the more unintuitive parts of early rogue leveling |
| 21:53.20 | NightHawkTheSane | this is pretty awesome: http://i.imgur.com/Cejnk.jpg |
| 22:01.21 | DJJeff | can someone PLZ tell me why my connection is being blocked from the curse update server? |
| 22:01.39 | DJJeff | other people can ping it just fine |
| 22:03.52 | Cide- | different port? |
| 22:05.41 | olafski | when a spell mentions "group members" does that mean party or raid? because other spells say "party and raid members" :< |
| 22:05.52 | olafski | and others say "party members" :< |
| 22:06.25 | *** join/#wowuidev cyndis (cyndis@v6.kapsi.fi) |
| 22:06.26 | tekkub | yes |
| 22:06.41 | tekkub | most party buffs are raid-wide anymore |
| 22:07.16 | ZorbaTHut | there's a few exceptions - the biggest one I can think of is Tranquility |
| 22:07.18 | olafski | this particular one I'm wondering is healing stream totem |
| 22:07.39 | tekkub | heals tend to be group |
| 22:07.40 | olafski | sounds a bit OP if it's raid wide |
| 22:07.45 | ZorbaTHut | pretty sure that one's just group |
| 22:07.56 | ZorbaTHut | AoE heals tend to get the terminology correct |
| 22:08.22 | olafski | hmkay.. guessed as much, strange that they have to use these terms interchangably though |
| 22:08.37 | tekkub | tooltips are rarely consistant |
| 22:10.15 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: healing stream, mana tide, tremor, and cleansing totems are party only |
| 22:10.16 | olafski | well bah :P if I ever work at blizzard I'll make that a priority ;) |
| 22:10.45 | NightHawkTheSane | (just for the record) |
| 22:11.03 | olafski | I knew about mana tide.. didn't know about tremor, thanks :) |
| 22:11.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i -think- grounding might be too, but i'm not sure. |
| 22:12.25 | olafski | not like I'll ever raid, was just wondering :) |
| 22:12.28 | *** join/#wowuidev ckknight (~ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 22:12.28 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 22:12.40 | olafski | lvl 64 now ;) |
| 22:14.10 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, its handy to know if you BG at all |
| 22:14.59 | olafski | true |
| 22:15.02 | olafski | don't do that either tho ;) |
| 22:15.28 | olafski | shame that you're not usually in the same group in BGS as the people near you |
| 22:16.15 | NightHawkTheSane | thats why when i bg as resto, i usually pick some big plate wearer in the same group as me and healbot him. |
| 22:22.34 | olafski | yeah good idea =0 |
| 22:23.42 | alestane | I find this cartoon deeply disturbing and completely hilarious: http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/ding/page0002.aspx |
| 22:23.57 | olafski | a sure way to get everyone to click :) |
| 22:24.17 | Cide- | you got me at deeply disturbing |
| 22:24.19 | olafski | hahaha |
| 22:24.23 | olafski | nice |
| 22:25.15 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: heh, nice |
| 22:26.55 | alestane | On my battlegroup, this is the alliance: http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/ding/page0011.aspx |
| 22:28.46 | *** join/#wowuidev xqo (~xqo@195.131.251.212.customer.cdi.no) |
| 22:42.18 | alestane | Will the game actually let you do this? http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/ding/Ding-2009-01-14.aspx |
| 22:43.03 | Shirik | !reload |
| 22:43.03 | EDI | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 22:43.16 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: yes |
| 22:43.23 | Esamynn | GO CANADA!!! |
| 22:43.36 | krka | !reload |
| 22:43.40 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (~smcn@c-174-52-173-217.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:43.47 | Shirik | alestane: Yup |
| 22:43.50 | Cide- | !reload |
| 22:43.54 | Cide- | :( |
| 22:43.56 | Shirik | what are you people doing |
| 22:44.00 | Shirik | he only responds to his master! |
| 22:44.07 | Esamynn | lol |
| 22:44.08 | Cairenn | WobWork: rofl |
| 22:44.09 | Cide- | I'm in ur irc, haxing ur bot |
| 22:44.39 | Esamynn | hey Cairenn.... GO CANADA!!!! |
| 22:44.44 | Cairenn | yar |
| 22:44.55 | eidolarr | alestane: you can drown your friends too |
| 22:44.56 | Cairenn | what are we celebrating atm? |
| 22:45.05 | Shadowed | Death to candian day |
| 22:45.06 | Cairenn | just woke up |
| 22:45.11 | Esamynn | Cairenn: oh really? |
| 22:45.17 | Esamynn | Cairenn: we have 2 golds already today |
| 22:45.17 | Cairenn | yar |
| 22:45.18 | Shadowed | s/Canadian/Canada/ |
| 22:45.21 | Cairenn | yay! |
| 22:45.22 | Cairenn | in? |
| 22:45.24 | Esamynn | we pretty much have the most gold medals locked |
| 22:45.34 | ScytheBlade1 | all I can really say about canadians is http://view.picapp.com/pictures.photo/iid/8043860/sports/ice-hockey-day-canada-usa.jpg |
| 22:45.37 | ScytheBlade1 | followed by http://view.picapp.com/pictures.photo/iid/8046588/entertainment/men-hockey-usa-over-canada-vancouver-2010.jpg |
| 22:45.53 | DJJeff | excuse me I live in Vancouver :) |
| 22:46.01 | Esamynn | Speed Skating Men's Team Pursuit, and Men's Snowboard Parallel Giant Slalom |
| 22:46.07 | Cairenn | nice |
| 22:46.27 | Esamynn | DJJeff: GO CANADA!!! |
| 22:46.31 | DJJeff | aha I am not alone |
| 22:46.32 | DJJeff | http://clientsupport.curse.com/ticket.aspx?id=2248 |
| 22:46.42 | DJJeff | someone else is having update issues |
| 22:46.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (~Antiarc@ip70-190-192-186.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 22:47.13 | DJJeff | the client starts and connects fine its the damn update server |
| 22:47.17 | DJJeff | gooooo boooooooom |
| 22:51.24 | DWSR | Cairenn: Mornin! |
| 22:51.32 | Cairenn | hi DWSR |
| 22:51.44 | DWSR | Just concious now? It's 6pm! |
| 22:52.36 | Cairenn | aye, and when you don't go to bed until 9am .... |
| 22:53.00 | DWSR | You go to bed at 9am? At that point I just say 'Fuck it' and stay up. |
| 22:53.29 | Dolby | she would never sleep then |
| 22:57.26 | DWSR | Anyone here tried http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/interface-usage.aspx or http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/lua-browser.aspx ? |
| 22:57.50 | airtonix | lua browser is pretty good |
| 22:59.01 | DJJeff | ................ I am not a crook |
| 22:59.03 | DJJeff | http://i47.tinypic.com/2up66hd.png |
| 22:59.29 | airtonix | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12970-LuaBrowser.html |
| 22:59.55 | airtonix | its like a code tree viewer with out the tree |
| 23:00.14 | DWSR | airtonix: What about Interface Usage/ |
| 23:01.00 | airtonix | same author isn't it and appearance ? |
| 23:01.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Tuller (~Tuller@pool-72-84-246-12.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:01.14 | airtonix | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13555-InterfaceUsage.html |
| 23:01.16 | DWSR | That's not what I asked you. |
| 23:01.46 | airtonix | well interface usage just table of info that updates as stuff happens |
| 23:04.25 | DWSR | That's not what I asked you either. |
| 23:04.41 | airtonix | guess you'll have to install it and find out what you want then |
| 23:04.54 | DWSR | :P |
| 23:09.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Qzot_ (~4624d0be@gateway/web/freenode/x-phtkbylrhslipzpm) |
| 23:09.18 | Qzot_ | Heyo. |
| 23:10.39 | Cairenn | hi Qzot_ |
| 23:11.40 | Qzot_ | How's Canadia doing in the medal count, Cairenn, eh? |
| 23:11.54 | Cairenn | 12 gold :) |
| 23:16.12 | cbreak | http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic-medals/ (spot the irregular) |
| 23:19.02 | Arrowmaster | britain? |
| 23:19.21 | zenzelezz | Australia? |
| 23:19.44 | Arrowmaster | it snows in australia? |
| 23:20.11 | cbreak | maybe in summer |
| 23:29.39 | zenzelezz | so I hear Australia's ISP are pretty retarded? |
| 23:30.20 | zenzelezz | friend got an e-mail asking about a spike in download... when she downloaded DA:O from Steam. Surely they could've found out that on their own |
| 23:30.57 | airtonix | most ISPs in australia are retarded... |
| 23:31.33 | airtonix | australia, we're not done being your nanny till you're in the grave. |
| 23:32.46 | cbreak | my downstream has no spikes |
| 23:32.49 | cbreak | it's always saturated |
| 23:33.20 | zenzelezz | well, I don't know which ISP she uses, but apparently they're pretty paranoid |
| 23:33.53 | cbreak | unless the spike was SMTP traffic or SYN packets only... |
| 23:34.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Proditor (proditor@c80-217-71-230.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 23:39.06 | foxlit | Sigh. |
| 23:39.15 | foxlit | SC2 badly needs a "resume game in progress option :( |
| 23:39.34 | foxlit | Crashed out of something I was actually winning. |
| 23:40.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (~Wobin@124-168-153-130.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:41.32 | DWSR | Cairenn: We're finally on the podium for medal conut? |
| 23:41.34 | DWSR | count* |
| 23:42.00 | DWSR | http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic-medals/geo-view/ <-- Also, neat. |
| 23:47.59 | Qzot_ | A friend is asking me if she has the latest version of Decursive. It's giving her conniption fits, but she can't find a newer version. Anyone know which is the latest? |
| 23:48.50 | Qzot_ | Says she's got 2.4.2.1-2. (Egad! That's a version number?) |
| 23:50.51 | Qzot_ | Q2: What fraction of game icons are available in the macro box? |
| 23:51.54 | Qzot_ | Q3: Is there a straightforward way to map from an itemId to the macro icon index that would have the same icon, if such exists? |
| 23:58.21 | Wobin | hehe http://notalwaysright.com/bananas-can-taste-of-bitter-disappointment/4469 |
| 23:58.49 | Wobin | DWSR, ugh, a java app? =P |
