| 00:00.49 | foxlit | It's not byte aligned :/ |
| 00:01.01 | Amarande | btw, what exactly is the meaning of the letters in such things as GTX, GTS, GT, GS, and remember our old old buddies Ti and MX :) |
| 00:01.29 | Adys | gefore thing, geforce thing extra, geforce thing super. |
| 00:02.25 | ScytheBlade1 | generally, GTX > GT > GTS in terms of performance |
| 00:02.35 | ScytheBlade1 | In ways similar that Ti > MX |
| 00:02.41 | Adys | then i'd say geforce thing subpar |
| 00:03.06 | Amarande | well, yeah, I know the basic relation, I'm just wondering what the letters officially stand for |
| 00:03.07 | foxlit | lua> n = 0x4184A33A while n > 0 do print(n % 2^16); n = math.floor(n/2); end |
| 00:03.07 | lua_bot | foxlit: 41786, 20893, 10446, 37991, 18995, 9497, 4748, 2374, 33955, 49745, 24872, 12436, 6218, 3109, 1554, 33545, 16772, 8386, 4193, 2096, 1048, 524, 262, 131, 65, 32, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1 |
| 00:03.09 | Amarande | if they even stand for anything |
| 00:03.17 | ScytheBlade1 | laptop chips are a bit stranger, in that GTX > GT > GTS is the technical model, but the GTS and the GT swap places |
| 00:03.19 | Amarande | seeing as I've seen e.g. GTX elsewhere (as in Castrol GTX motor oil) |
| 00:03.22 | ScytheBlade1 | generally, GTX > GT > GTS in terms of performanceno idea |
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| 00:03.51 | amro | it's just meant to look cool |
| 00:03.53 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.53 | foxlit | Adys: it's not there. |
| 00:03.54 | amro | like i7 |
| 00:03.56 | KarlKFI|work | X is for eXtreme |
| 00:03.58 | Lunessa | *shrug* even if I buy the "crappy" version of an entirely new generation of GPUs I tend to be getting a significant upgrade over my older cards. So I don't get too worked up. |
| 00:04.00 | Adys | foxlit: yeah doesnt look like it is |
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| 00:04.07 | foxlit | Or, if it's there, it's not continuos. |
| 00:04.08 | Amarande | Karl: and "GT"? |
| 00:04.15 | amro | grand tour |
| 00:04.15 | Lopeppeppy | My boss went to Florida for a week and a half. What did he bring me back? A stomach bug. |
| 00:04.20 | KarlKFI|work | grand tour |
| 00:04.26 | KarlKFI|work | or grand touring |
| 00:04.31 | KarlKFI|work | it's a car specification |
| 00:04.43 | Adys | ~units |
| 00:04.44 | purl | converts between different systems of units. URL: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/units/ |
| 00:04.44 | Lunessa | uploads flat 7*Up and saltines for Lopeppeppy. |
| 00:04.53 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: You're not just indisposed, you're actually ill? |
| 00:05.02 | Amarande | hugs the Peppy |
| 00:05.04 | Adys | ~units 30 days in hoursw |
| 00:05.06 | Adys | ~units 30 days in hours |
| 00:05.06 | KarlKFI|work | Mustang GT is the grand touring model with all the extras |
| 00:05.11 | amro | gnu is allergic to web apps |
| 00:05.11 | Adys | aw |
| 00:05.22 | Lopeppeppy | I picked up ginger ale and popcorn on the way home. Boss and Coworker both had the stomach bug over the weekend... and either I got it at the con or from them. Very ugh. |
| 00:05.25 | KarlKFI|work | GTX is just mumbo jumbo to cooler than GT |
| 00:05.48 | Lopeppeppy | So yes, alestane. Indisposed all weekend, now also with Genuine Stomach Bug Action. |
| 00:05.56 | Dagmar | Well, generally the vendors sometimes take more liberties with "performance enhancements" on GTX's |
| 00:05.57 | alestane | Um, blargh. |
| 00:06.02 | Cairenn | :( |
| 00:06.08 | Dagmar | Not much difference in practice that I've noticed |
| 00:06.10 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.12 | amro | then there's GTX+ |
| 00:06.20 | KarlKFI|work | S generally means Sports |
| 00:06.26 | KarlKFI|work | but i'm not sure abotu GTS |
| 00:06.32 | amro | chipset peen wars |
| 00:06.34 | Dagmar | Note: Chatroulette is being covered on CNN now. Time to email any elderly parents you might have and tell them to stay off it |
| 00:06.45 | amro | soon enough they're gonna slap a cock on the box art |
| 00:06.49 | foxlit | who gave elderly parents webcams? |
| 00:06.55 | ScytheBlade1 | it was the topic of PA's comic today... which was quite entertaining |
| 00:07.16 | Torhal | amro: And a ruler. |
| 00:07.22 | Dagmar | foxlit: They come stock in netbooks now |
| 00:07.23 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/2/22/ |
| 00:07.28 | WobWork | foxlit: most netbooks have them now |
| 00:07.36 | foxlit | who gave elderly parents netbooks? |
| 00:07.37 | Dagmar | I'm actually going to call my mom now, come to think of it |
| 00:07.53 | Dagmar | foxlit: It's not like we can stop them from spending their money on them |
| 00:08.04 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously. Surgery on Thursday, I've got to kick this thing ASAP. |
| 00:08.18 | foxlit | Why aren't they buying more yachts instead? |
| 00:08.29 | foxlit | Can never have enough yachts. |
| 00:08.42 | KarlKFI|work | and then there's this for radeons: SE<plain<GT<GTO<PRO<XL<XT<XTX |
| 00:09.21 | KarlKFI|work | 'pro' is rather ironically midrange |
| 00:09.40 | ScytheBlade1 | The PA news post on the topic of chat roulette is quite awesome too |
| 00:09.42 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/ |
| 00:09.44 | amro | foxlit: I think people who have yachts have better things to do than kill time on chat roulette. like cruise on their yachts |
| 00:09.57 | amro | ScytheBlade1: the news post is even better, yeah |
| 00:10.00 | Amarande | so the GTS 250 *IS* the 9800 GTX+? |
| 00:10.00 | foxlit | amro: so the problem solves itself if only elderly parents would by more yachts. |
| 00:10.06 | KarlKFI|work | or "knows well enough to get above avergae but not spend mucho bux on the EXTREME versions" |
| 00:10.14 | Amarande | damn you nvidia, stop renaming shit |
| 00:10.17 | foxlit | Amarande: identical specs. |
| 00:10.28 | Dagmar | I don't think we want 10500 cards |
| 00:10.44 | Amarande | Dagmar: what was wrong with calling it the 9800GTX+ though |
| 00:11.01 | Dagmar | Because they generally increment that first digit for each new generation of cards |
| 00:11.13 | lebqzz | gotta ask. |
| 00:11.21 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, which is why one boggles at the rename |
| 00:11.26 | lebqzz | i want to move the durabilityframe. but it seems there are something messing that up.. |
| 00:11.30 | Amarande | because the GTS 250 *isn't* a new generation of card |
| 00:11.31 | Amarande | it's a 9 |
| 00:11.47 | lebqzz | are there a mod that will show me all events occurring so i might get an understanding |
| 00:11.47 | foxlit | Or maybe the 9 is newer than the rest of the nines? |
| 00:12.01 | amro | ~devtools |
| 00:12.02 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 00:12.11 | foxlit | THey might be in the default client now, actually |
| 00:12.15 | amro | lebqzz: ^ |
| 00:12.18 | foxlit | Try /event, /events, /eventtrace |
| 00:12.22 | foxlit | Or something like that. |
| 00:12.53 | KarlKFI|work | GS < GT < GTS < GX2 < GTX |
| 00:13.01 | foxlit | It's the last one according to the internet. |
| 00:13.21 | lebqzz | also looking at moveanthings code. |
| 00:13.32 | Dagmar | Karl: You should probably end that with "mostly" |
| 00:13.33 | KarlKFI|work | also LE is Light Edition and SE is usually Second Edition |
| 00:14.08 | KarlKFI|work | it changes every itteration |
| 00:14.26 | KarlKFI|work | their marketing dept needs to be replaced |
| 00:14.43 | amro | it's only a matter of time before they add "Super Duper" |
| 00:15.00 | DWSR | SHIRIK |
| 00:15.10 | Shirik | wat |
| 00:15.29 | Shirik | you is interrupting my movie |
| 00:15.40 | Amarande | You mean like how ATI tried "XT" and then had to add "XTX"? |
| 00:15.47 | DWSR | If I am creating a JUnit test case and I create a class instance in setUp(), can I assume that its state is always the same at the beginning of a method within the test case? |
| 00:15.59 | Adys | they should have tried XD |
| 00:16.04 | Adys | "ATI XDXDXD" |
| 00:16.04 | Shirik | that is the purpose of setUp() |
| 00:16.06 | Adys | sounds about right |
| 00:16.14 | DWSR | Shirik: Every method? |
| 00:16.19 | Shirik | every test method, yes |
| 00:16.43 | Shirik | keep in mind that the class is not re-created |
| 00:16.56 | Shirik | so any stale data may still be present unless your setUp and tearDown function properly |
| 00:16.59 | Amarande | Karl: in other words, the top end cards are a waste of hard earned cash :) |
| 00:17.18 | DWSR | Shirik: Well, it's a simple class and a simple test. |
| 00:17.30 | KarlKFI|work | Amarande: suually |
| 00:17.33 | DWSR | It's just to prove that I *can* do it. |
| 00:17.33 | KarlKFI|work | usually* |
| 00:18.21 | Amarande | how are the 2 series doing linux-driver-wise? |
| 00:18.31 | KarlKFI|work | thankfully the market for high end gpus is deminished atm due to the lack of FPS engine development |
| 00:18.50 | Amarande | people finally got the clue that FPS are overrated? |
| 00:19.02 | Amarande | or they just keep not buying new ones because they're too addicted to CS and TF2 :) |
| 00:19.14 | KarlKFI|work | no, just the engines keep getting reused |
| 00:19.15 | A-KO | no, developers keep writing for the lowest common denominator :P |
| 00:19.22 | A-KO | and there's no money in reinventing the wheel on the PC |
| 00:19.22 | KarlKFI|work | ^^ |
| 00:19.30 | A-KO | since such a small fraction of the game market has such a PC |
| 00:19.32 | DWSR | Because the Source Engine is the best. |
| 00:19.35 | DWSR | I mean....yeah... |
| 00:19.45 | tem|afk | any idea what the difference is between win7 enterprise and win7 ultimate? |
| 00:19.47 | DWSR | yes. |
| 00:19.48 | Amarande | hmm, let me show you my new invention ... it's this round thing that I attach two of to a pole and roll it around and it moves things :) |
| 00:19.59 | KarlKFI|work | tem|afk: lmgt4u |
| 00:20.01 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Comparison_chart |
| 00:20.04 | A-KO | tem|afk: enterprise is a volume license key, ultimate is the retail edition--otherwise they're identical |
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| 00:20.17 | Amarande | tem: dude, you can get the ultimate in OEM from newegg for 180 |
| 00:20.21 | Amarande | no reason to look at the others |
| 00:20.23 | tem|afk | KarlKFI|work, I hate you in the face |
| 00:20.34 | tem|afk | Pay for an operating system? |
| 00:20.37 | KarlKFI|work | come on man, you know better |
| 00:20.38 | Amarande | if you're going to drink the windows koolaid at all, anyway :) |
| 00:20.39 | DWSR | what tem|afk said. |
| 00:20.40 | tem|afk | You must be smoking something |
| 00:20.43 | Amarande | and yes, I know better |
| 00:20.46 | Amarande | Linux alviarin 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jan 12 22:12:20 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:20.52 | tem|afk | I have NEVER paid for an OS |
| 00:20.54 | DWSR | Amarande: Win7 is actually pretty good. |
| 00:20.56 | tem|afk | and I don't plan to start now |
| 00:21.02 | A-KO | just get Win7 Pro |
| 00:21.03 | KarlKFI|work | i was refering to tem's question |
| 00:21.04 | tem|afk | I'll get it for free from school |
| 00:21.05 | A-KO | or Home Premium |
| 00:21.07 | A-KO | lol |
| 00:21.14 | DWSR | A-KO: You fucking kidding me? |
| 00:21.32 | A-KO | DWSR: not a whole lot of people truly need Ultimate's featureset :P |
| 00:21.45 | DWSR | Go big, or go home. kthx. |
| 00:21.50 | KarlKFI|work | you mean extra crappy software? |
| 00:22.04 | A-KO | no, I mean bitlocker :P |
| 00:22.10 | KarlKFI|work | Pro is fine for most techies, Home Premium for you mom. |
| 00:22.17 | A-KO | bitlocker in Ultimate is pretty sweet, honestly, it's the easiest disk encryption to use if you use an entirely Windows 7 shop |
| 00:22.35 | theorbtwo | I tend to think that they carefully thought about what features people would want, and made the various editions to match... |
| 00:22.37 | PProvost | or 2k8R2 |
| 00:22.46 | KarlKFI|work | theorbtwo: lol |
| 00:22.49 | theorbtwo | ...and then threw in Ultimate for people to steal, because they knew people would. |
| 00:23.49 | tem|afk | so, the only difference between ultimate and enterprise is if the "premium games" are included |
| 00:23.51 | tem|afk | that's... |
| 00:24.02 | cbreak | ultimate is way too expensive |
| 00:24.11 | theorbtwo | Only if you actually pay for it. ;) |
| 00:24.18 | cbreak | if you want FDE, take a look at OpenSource solutions |
| 00:25.08 | cbreak | http://www.truecrypt.org/ |
| 00:25.32 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry, bitlocker is still a class in and of itself |
| 00:25.53 | tem|afk | the class of stuff that I don't need, you mean? |
| 00:25.56 | cbreak | why? Incompatibility? :) |
| 00:25.58 | cbreak | use of TPM? |
| 00:26.07 | ScytheBlade1 | truecrypt will work for home users, but not for any remotely larger install base |
| 00:26.23 | cbreak | TrueCrypt works the same independently on how many installs you have |
| 00:26.25 | cbreak | unlike windows |
| 00:26.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and has no way of managing it either |
| 00:26.36 | cbreak | where you have to pay client access licenses and all such crap |
| 00:26.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Bitlocker doesn't require CALs |
| 00:26.52 | cbreak | you sure? |
| 00:26.56 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 00:26.57 | A-KO | Truecrypt isn't OSS, not to mention it requires you to 'mount' the disk. Also requires you to have admin rights to the box to mount drives |
| 00:27.02 | cbreak | microsoft licenses read like chinese to me |
| 00:27.19 | Amarande | cbreak: it's legalese |
| 00:27.25 | Amarande | it's guaranteed to produce insanity if you try to understand it |
| 00:27.30 | ScytheBlade1 | You need CALs for (1) SMB/CIFS connections (2) SQL Server connections and/or (3) Exchange server connections |
| 00:27.35 | Amarande | the only way to avoid it is by being a favored servant of the Dark One |
| 00:27.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Note that (2) can be replaced with a CPU license |
| 00:27.39 | A-KO | Bitlocker is pretty fast, and one of the nice things is that you can have it "remember" drives that you plug in to your personal computers, so while you take it to another system and it asks for a password--on your personal ones you can have it auto mount without asking for a password. Yay for hassle-free encryption. |
| 00:27.56 | cbreak | A-ko, you can download the source |
| 00:27.58 | A-KO | only thing is, again, to use the win7 bitlocker features (the auto mount stuff), all PCs have to be win7 |
| 00:27.59 | cbreak | so it's open source |
| 00:28.12 | Amarande | but linux has had encrypted filesystem support for longer, IIRC |
| 00:28.15 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: which is not a problem if you're a larger shop.. |
| 00:28.24 | cbreak | you do not need admin rights unless you want to install the driver |
| 00:28.27 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: eh my company has been fighting moving to 7 tooth and nail |
| 00:28.34 | cbreak | if it's already installed, every user can mount volumes |
| 00:28.42 | ScytheBlade1 | the headache of getting truecrypt working on a larger install base is going to be larger than just moving your crap to 7 |
| 00:28.46 | ScytheBlade1 | but not due to initial setup |
| 00:28.48 | A-KO | yep |
| 00:28.48 | ScytheBlade1 | due to support |
| 00:28.54 | A-KO | "I can't mount my file" |
| 00:28.58 | A-KO | "I can't remember my password" |
| 00:29.23 | Lopeppeppy | I can't password my mount. |
| 00:29.40 | Amarande | I'm supposing there's no such thing as a TPM that can be installed via a PCI or PCI-E card on a motherboard that didn't start with one |
| 00:29.41 | Adys | I tried to mount her but she asked for my password |
| 00:29.42 | cbreak | auto mount? how's that secure? |
| 00:29.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: not really, no. |
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| 02:46.29 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | â¥â¥â¥â¥â¥â¥â¥â¥â¥â¥ - Cairenn |
| 02:47.07 | WobWork | hugs purl |
| 02:47.12 | WobWork | wb purl |
| 02:47.14 | DWSR | ~botsnack |
| 02:47.14 | purl | DWSR: aw, gee |
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| 02:47.41 | Dagmar | Tem: Hopefully it'll work. Otherwise I've been poking around and the BartPE guy seems to have http://www.nu2.nu/mkbt/ which may or may not help |
| 02:51.00 | alestane | The nightmare of people calling tech support: http://www.ubersoft.net/comic/hd/2000/10/automated-support |
| 02:51.00 | DWSR | alestane: Welcome to last decade. |
| 02:51.38 | tem|afk | crap |
| 02:51.45 | tem|afk | the microsoft tool failed for the same reason |
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| 02:53.53 | Stew_a | how does one go about 'disabling' an editbox |
| 02:55.10 | alestane | Set keyboard focus away from it? |
| 02:55.44 | cogwheel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/EditBox |
| 02:57.17 | Lunessa | disables cogwheel by setting focus away from him. |
| 02:57.30 | Torhal | Lunessa: Does that work for mobs too? |
| 02:57.32 | Torhal | :D |
| 02:57.48 | Lunessa | Torhal: It doesn't even work on cogwheel. |
| 02:57.54 | Torhal | Drat! |
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| 02:59.25 | Stew_a | helps if i'm not downloading the PTR client :P, anyway 'how does one go about disabling an editbox' |
| 03:00.20 | cogwheel | 18:55 <+alestane> Set keyboard focus away from it? |
| 03:00.20 | cogwheel | 18:55 < cogwheel> http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/EditBox |
| 03:00.47 | cogwheel | :ClearFocus and :EnableMouse are probably all you need to "physically" disable it |
| 03:01.37 | Stew_a | great, thanks |
| 03:01.45 | lebqzz | lol i was against the price on the book untill i saw... the pagenumer ;P |
| 03:01.53 | cogwheel | :P |
| 03:02.31 | lebqzz | 31$ for 1440 pages ;P |
| 03:04.16 | Stew_a | anyway, back to the PTR client, thanks for the help |
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| 03:13.24 | WobWork | http://merylsmith.blogspot.com/2008/04/excessory-baggage_3776.html |
| 03:18.34 | Adys | ok |
| 03:18.37 | Adys | i absolutely give up |
| 03:18.50 | Adys | in ((1808, -1962), (-1716.67, -7250)), where is (284.38, -4762.359) |
| 03:19.03 | Adys | if someone can figure it out before i fall asleep on my desk please tell :p |
| 03:19.04 | sylvanaar | WobWork: LOL |
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| 03:20.08 | WobWork | Adys: "where"? |
| 03:20.46 | Adys | WobWork: where in percentage, related to the topleft corner |
| 03:20.57 | WobWork | can you give an example? |
| 03:21.37 | WobWork | do you mean like "in 0,0 -> 10,10 : 5,5 is 50%, 50%"? |
| 03:21.40 | Adys | on the map ((0, 0), (1000, 1000)), (155, 850) is at 15.5, 85.0 |
| 03:22.41 | WobWork | is the point always going to be inside the area? |
| 03:22.45 | Adys | no |
| 03:22.54 | Adys | in which case the percentage would be negative |
| 03:23.12 | WobWork | so, x1,y1 x2,y2 with a point x3,y3? |
| 03:23.53 | Adys | yes |
| 03:24.28 | WobWork | (x3 - x1)/(x2 - x3) and (y3 - y1)/(y2 - y3) ? |
| 03:24.40 | WobWork | hm, no |
| 03:24.51 | WobWork | (x3 - x1)/(x2 - x1) and (y3 - y1)/(y2 - y1) ? |
| 03:25.23 | Adys | uhm |
| 03:25.54 | Amarande | also: something that cartographer and friends still haven't understood |
| 03:26.01 | Amarande | there is, in fact, a need for coordinates > 100 to be shown |
| 03:26.17 | Amarande | a number of zones, particularly border zones, still have content past the 99th coordinate |
| 03:26.20 | Jerub | wooo FL is this weeks weekly raid. |
| 03:26.31 | Adys | looks more or less right WobWork |
| 03:26.37 | Adys | ill test it |
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| 03:33.54 | alestane | How times have changed: http://www.ubersoft.net/comic/hd/2001/04/compusury-part-two |
| 03:34.33 | Thunder_Child | this is an amusing win reg bashing article http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/why-the-windows-registry-sucks-technically/ |
| 03:36.22 | Dagmar | I woulkdn't call it "bashing". He's on solid ground. |
| 03:36.57 | Thunder_Child | http://trackosaurusrex.com/pblog/images/MikeGiantModernSF.jpg |
| 03:37.00 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/23329143450-please-clarify-333-world-event-bosses.html |
| 03:37.17 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: just because he is correct doesnt mean it isnt bashing |
| 03:37.59 | Dagmar | Actually, I'd say it does go towards the article being _unpleasant truth_ since he's being very specific and he is entirely correct |
| 03:39.05 | Thunder_Child | some amazing pictures here http://upperplayground.com/feature/story/inglourious_basterds_the_lost_art_of_the_film_217 |
| 03:40.27 | kd3 | whee |
| 03:41.17 | kd3 | first person to send me a tell gets a beta key for sc2 |
| 03:41.25 | kd3 | just got a second one in the mail |
| 03:41.39 | Dagmar | waits for the single-player campaign |
| 03:41.49 | Thunder_Child | kd3: same |
| 03:41.57 | Thunder_Child | but not the you get the key part |
| 03:42.38 | kd3 | still have not gotten a tell. any takers? |
| 03:43.01 | Adys | kd3: if no taker I know someone who will be interested |
| 03:43.43 | Thunder_Child | did cide want one really badly? |
| 03:43.46 | Thunder_Child | didnt* |
| 03:45.07 | kd3 | dunno |
| 03:45.10 | kd3 | key claimed, by the way |
| 03:47.37 | ccox | Thunder_Child: wow, the scary part is it sounds like more than a few women I've dated from SF |
| 03:48.02 | Thunder_Child | ccox: guess they hit it fairly close if not on the head |
| 03:48.09 | ccox | yep |
| 03:51.21 | WobWork | huh |
| 03:51.31 | WobWork | I felt I wanted to ask for the key |
| 03:51.38 | WobWork | even though I don't like RTS |
| 03:51.49 | WobWork | my inner packrat cried out, and was silenced =\ |
| 03:52.08 | Dagmar | That's a good thing |
| 03:52.12 | Dagmar | Self control is good. |
| 03:52.25 | kd3 | self control? |
| 03:52.37 | kd3 | looks at his nearly-full 2TB raid and sighs |
| 03:59.42 | Adys | WobWork: http://dpaste.com/163335/plain/ |
| 03:59.43 | Adys | I love u |
| 04:01.35 | Amarande | I wish I had less self control, I keep resisting pressing the buy button |
| 04:03.22 | Amarande | like, c'mon Ama, you want this GTS it's an upgrade as well as getting you out of ATI, (hmm, maybe I should hold onto the money) c'mon c'mon buy it (hmm) |
| 04:04.37 | Amarande | Adys, hit me with the nerf bat for dragging out the buy process :P |
| 04:05.10 | Adys | uhm |
| 04:05.18 | Adys | what are you still doing with an ATI card |
| 04:05.20 | Adys | masochist or what? |
| 04:05.25 | Adys | buy it and get it over with |
| 04:07.23 | Thunder_Child | "If you bang a chick other than your girlfriend while playing tiger woods on xbox I wonder if an accomplishment would come up..." |
| 04:08.17 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 04:08.21 | DWSR | It's called "Acting the part" |
| 04:08.33 | DWSR | Description reads "First you dressed like a pimp, now you're acting like one." |
| 04:09.38 | *** join/#wowuidev DJJeff (~crazyjeff@d66-183-62-27.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 04:09.52 | Amarande | ordered. |
| 04:12.58 | Shirik | ........... |
| 04:13.05 | Shirik | I've been following this thread on the google code mailing list |
| 04:13.13 | Shirik | Some guy got banned for hosting malware on there |
| 04:13.29 | DWSR | orly? |
| 04:13.31 | Shirik | his response was the obvious "Why I b&?" and was returned with pretty harsh replies, as is to be expected |
| 04:13.40 | Shirik | his response to those replies |
| 04:14.00 | Jerub | ever heard of a guy called xah lee? |
| 04:14.03 | Shirik | I understood that very well , but at that time it was't mention in the |
| 04:14.03 | Shirik | TOS it just said that source must be included , so is not very fair . |
| 04:14.25 | Shirik | his argument is that because the TOS doesn't say not to host malware, he should be able to |
| 04:14.34 | kd3 | ... |
| 04:14.35 | kd3 | wow |
| 04:15.23 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 04:15.32 | DWSR | Cairenn: Any medal action for Canada? |
| 04:15.41 | Shirik | I bet I can find you a link |
| 04:15.50 | Cairenn | waiting to see how we do in pairs |
| 04:15.58 | Cairenn | final flight of 5 just starting now |
| 04:16.10 | Dagmar | Shirik: You could always just turn him over to the local authorities |
| 04:16.30 | Shirik | http://groups.google.com/group/google-code-hosting/browse_thread/thread/dcf7cc3eada37855 |
| 04:16.51 | Shirik | the first paragraph is quite..... |
| 04:16.56 | Shirik | I'm not sure the right word for it |
| 04:16.58 | Dagmar | Retarded. |
| 04:17.04 | Dagmar | "source code can not be malicious" |
| 04:17.09 | Dagmar | Bullsh*t |
| 04:20.38 | Amarande | hmm, it is a commentary on both a) the popularity of wow |
| 04:20.50 | Amarande | and b) the lack of knowledge exhibited by wow players |
| 04:21.05 | Amarande | that if you type "how do i get to" in a google search ... not a single one of the suggestions is in the real world :) |
| 04:21.49 | Thunder_Child | thats because unlike in wow, 10 million people are not trying to get to the same place |
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| 04:23.58 | Dagmar | I just find it amusing that if you Google for just about anything mentioned in WoW, you get a link pointing to an article about WOW. |
| 04:24.10 | Dagmar | Doesn't seem to matter how famous the actual whatever might be |
| 04:24.19 | Shirik | "The ERAU anti-spam system has detected some possible spam email messages and quarantined them in your anti-spam system. You should inspect these messages to ensure that the system has not inadvertently quarantined legitimate email as spam. " |
| 04:24.26 | Shirik | Followed by a list of 0 emails |
| 04:24.31 | Jerub | Dagmar: yeah, i find it a little scary myself. |
| 04:24.43 | Shirik | I love how the fact that they are failing to detect spam leads them to send me a mail with zero purpose (i.e., spam) |
| 04:25.10 | Shirik | it even lies to you in the process! |
| 04:25.11 | Dagmar | It's _stealth_ spam |
| 04:25.33 | Dagmar | Either that or it's already installed XP Antivirus 2010 on your machine. |
| 04:28.42 | Shirik | cs flags #wowuidev |
| 04:28.46 | Shirik | fail |
| 04:28.48 | Shirik | ~failrik |
| 04:28.49 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 04:29.15 | Lunessa | ok, I'm out. Se you folks tomorrow. |
| 04:30.05 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Shadowed!~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (rejoin noob) |
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| 04:32.41 | Cairenn | DWSR: if you aren't watching this, you should be |
| 04:32.51 | DWSR | What is it? |
| 04:32.52 | Cairenn | their routine is beautiful |
| 04:32.58 | DWSR | ice dancing? |
| 04:32.59 | Cairenn | pairs original |
| 04:33.00 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 04:33.12 | Shirik | olympics |
| 04:33.15 | Shirik | bah humbug |
| 04:35.11 | kd3 | grrs at the nbc coverage putting ice dancing on the main feed and shunting ice hockey off to somewhere in cable land |
| 04:38.17 | Cairenn | YES! |
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| 04:43.27 | KarlKFI | lol @ phelps interview⦠dont they have some events to show? |
| 04:44.17 | kdtresh | KarlKFI|work: no, this is bob time |
| 04:44.35 | KarlKFI | bob time? |
| 04:45.00 | KarlKFI | the interviewer? |
| 04:45.18 | KarlKFI | why is he on prime time |
| 04:45.26 | kdtresh | it's not prime time, it's bob time :P |
| 04:45.29 | KarlKFI | i want to see highlights at least |
| 04:45.37 | kdtresh | nbc can eat me |
| 04:45.54 | KarlKFI | their coverage is pretty crappy |
| 04:45.57 | kdtresh | i can understand tape delay, but running from 8pm to past midnight is idiotic |
| 04:46.01 | KarlKFI | i want to be able to stream events |
| 04:46.51 | kdtresh | i can't imagine affiliates make more on inside edition than they would with live olympic coverage |
| 04:47.08 | kdtresh | but apparently they demanded the delay |
| 04:48.26 | Dagmar | Look at it this way |
| 04:48.36 | Dagmar | It's _far_ more valuable than anything else they show at that time of night |
| 04:49.22 | kdtresh | conan vs leno in a cage fight might be close |
| 04:49.31 | Dagmar | Conan would win that. |
| 04:49.37 | Dagmar | Woudln't even be a contest |
| 04:49.42 | kdtresh | leno's got a pretty big chin, though |
| 04:49.46 | Dagmar | The dude is freakishly huge |
| 04:50.00 | WobWork | Adys: Glad it worked =) |
| 04:50.20 | Dagmar | kdthresh: I suppose he could try using it to block, but generally that's not a winning technique. |
| 04:50.29 | Adys | WobWork: it did \o/ |
| 04:50.39 | Adys | Im not generating pixel-perfect flight maps :) |
| 04:50.47 | WobWork | Best olympic coverage I've heard is from Roy and HG |
| 04:51.01 | kdtresh | isn't there a phrase "take it on the chin" or something similar? maybe he coined it |
| 04:53.09 | Dagmar | There's also "glass jaw" |
| 04:53.20 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 04:53.30 | Dagmar | Someone's parents should have a talk with their kid |
| 04:53.31 | Dagmar | http://nashville.craigslist.org/vgm/1613419684.html |
| 04:53.50 | Dagmar | "[...] but you must bring me back home [...]" what? |
| 04:54.13 | Cairenn | Pairs - Canada (G), USA (S), Russia (B) |
| 04:54.51 | DWSR | Win! |
| 04:55.56 | kdtresh | wow, we got silver? nice |
| 04:56.05 | Cairenn | 1st Canadian Gold in Pairs Ice Dance, Youngest ever in Pairs Ice Dance |
| 04:56.09 | kdtresh | i didn't think we ever showed up for dancing |
| 04:56.18 | kdtresh | i'm down with canada taking gold too |
| 04:56.25 | kdtresh | as long as it's not russia or china :P |
| 04:56.36 | Cairenn | First North Americans taking Gold in Pairs Ice Dance |
| 04:57.05 | Cairenn | (if I heard that last correctly) |
| 04:57.25 | *** join/#wowuidev eidolarr (~zls@c-71-61-178-129.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 04:57.58 | eidolarr | does anyone know about network programming? |
| 04:58.07 | kdtresh | i like how all these olympians are hocking nyquil when it contains substances banned by the ioc |
| 04:59.33 | eidolarr | why can't you use a single IP address per host? why does every interface need its own address? |
| 04:59.56 | Dagmar | What? |
| 04:59.58 | ZorbaTHut | what do you mean, "per host" and "per interface"? |
| 05:00.04 | ZorbaTHut | generally one computer has a single ip address |
| 05:00.07 | Dagmar | Could you be more specific than tahat? |
| 05:00.20 | kdtresh | you can specify more than one ip per host, but not more than one host per ip |
| 05:00.34 | Dagmar | boggles |
| 05:00.52 | eidolarr | so like, a router has at least two ip addresses, one for each interface of local and global |
| 05:00.52 | Dagmar | eidolarr: Each interface needs it's own address because it keeps routing simple |
| 05:01.09 | kdtresh | the only way to send packets to multiple addresses is via broadcast |
| 05:01.14 | Arrowmaster | considers trying to explain how kdtresh is wrong about not more than one host per ip |
| 05:01.26 | Dagmar | Trying to use an interface without an IP address is basically impossible, unless you're running a very serious router |
| 05:01.34 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, yes, that's true |
| 05:01.39 | eidolarr | Dagmar: i've been boggling over this problem for hours, it says "what would break if we had only a single address per host" |
| 05:01.44 | kdtresh | speaks from a layman's perspective |
| 05:01.47 | eidolarr | which seems to imply there is a greater problem than "it's easier this way" |
| 05:01.53 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, out of curiosity, how do you manage that? I mean, without involving a dedicated box for shunting out load balancing requests? |
| 05:02.00 | Dagmar | eidolarr: I think the greater problem might be that they smoke crack |
| 05:02.11 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: anycast |
| 05:02.13 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, think about how subnet masks work |
| 05:03.11 | Dagmar | eidolarr: You've got one IP address per interface because well basically, that's how other machines communicate with your machine directly |
| 05:03.20 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: got remote access to multiple hosts in different locations/isps? |
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| 05:03.32 | eidolarr | ZorbaTHut: i guess my confusion is that i don't see why you need them - if you have the low order bits for the local addrses and the high order for the internet address, why not reduce the size of the local section to 0? and use only the global? |
| 05:03.38 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, singular host in a different location, but that's it |
| 05:03.51 | Dagmar | eidolarr: What you just said... practically every bit of it is wrong. |
| 05:03.57 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, with a thing like a router, it's generally designed to keep several computers behind it |
| 05:04.05 | ZorbaTHut | computer, xbox, another computer, ps3, laptop |
| 05:04.06 | Dagmar | Addresses are not lexically scoped or anything like that |
| 05:04.57 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: if you try doing a traceroute one an ip like googles dns server 8.8.8.8 you can see that it goes to a completely different place if you run the traceroute from different locations |
| 05:04.59 | ZorbaTHut | yes, there are ways to pass through a single computer via a router so it has the "same IP", but I'm not sure how common it is. anything actually designed to be a router will be doing one-ip-to-many-IPs with NAT. |
| 05:05.17 | Dagmar | eidolarr: This may seem quite insane, but just because most of hte internet is now using CIDR notation (192.168.0.0/16) does *not* mean that the highest bits have any special significance |
| 05:05.17 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, ah, true. I'd forgotten about largescale routing weirdness |
| 05:05.41 | Dagmar | It's perfectly valid, although QUITE LOONY to use 101001010 1010101010 1010101010 11100011 as a subnet mask |
| 05:05.57 | Dagmar | Anyone doing it should be forcibly tranquilized, but it's completely legal |
| 05:06.09 | eidolarr | if you guys are having fun explaining i can keep asking, but if there's a good link to read about this i'll take it happily |
| 05:06.27 | eidolarr | there's like a paragraph dedicated to it in my text and it leaves mew anting |
| 05:07.00 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: yeah its called anycast and its only really doable with the large scale routing protocols like bgp |
| 05:07.12 | Dagmar | eidolarr: This may help http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NET3-4-HOWTO.html |
| 05:07.19 | durcyn | oh man. watching nerds rage because you got an sc2 beta key and they didn't: worth the price of admission. watching them rage because you got _two_ keys... holy shit. |
| 05:07.32 | Dagmar | eidolarr: A paragraph dedicated to what |
| 05:08.01 | Jerub | Dagmar: <3 |
| 05:08.04 | ZorbaTHut | durcyn, take a video of you deleting the email the second key arrived in. post it on youtube. |
| 05:08.27 | durcyn | ZorbaTHut: jesus, you're evil |
| 05:08.32 | Dagmar | heheh I like it |
| 05:08.38 | Jerub | i played sc2 over the weekend on a friend's hardwar,e now i need to get a video card to complete the gaming rig i built on the weekend. |
| 05:08.40 | ZorbaTHut | (it's up to you whether you write down the key first ;) ) |
| 05:08.53 | kd3 | oh, that's awesome. I could do that. I've "used" both keys already |
| 05:08.56 | kd3 | laughs |
| 05:09.12 | durcyn | i seriously can't even use the second key, so i'm making people dress up as starcraft characters and take pictures of themselves to win it |
| 05:09.23 | Jerub | durcyn: win |
| 05:09.25 | ZorbaTHut | haha, niiice :D |
| 05:09.43 | Dagmar | durcyn: Allow me to suggest you include the words "Actual Starcraft characters, fully clothed." |
| 05:09.47 | eidolarr | Dagmar: the class A/B/C IP addresses, network bits, host bits |
| 05:09.57 | durcyn | i specified "no zerg porn", i hope that was specific enough |
| 05:10.04 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, I dunno, if some hot girl wants to dress up as a half-naked Zealot, I see nothing wrong with this |
| 05:10.32 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: zerg have tentacales |
| 05:10.50 | Jerub | just sayin' |
| 05:10.50 | Dagmar | eidolarr: The classes stuff is from way back in the 70/80's when IANA still kinda assumed there would be no problem only having a small number of x.x.x.x/8 networks, an order more of 16's, and a crapload of 24's |
| 05:11.22 | Dagmar | eidolarr: By the 90's it became clear that wasn't going to work, and a lot of people needed to subnet class C's (/24) even further as it was |
| 05:11.35 | Dagmar | eidolarr: That's when we started switching over to CIDR notation |
| 05:11.57 | ZorbaTHut | I wish we'd go to IPv6 already. I have a /29 of my own and I could actually really use more :( |
| 05:12.33 | Arrowmaster | eidolarr: ill try to put it in a simple way, two hosts can only communicate over a physical link if they are on the same subnet, if they are on different subnets a router is needed to bridge the gap, if you were to try and connect two physical links together using a router they must be on different subnets because if they were not then the router wouldnt know which interface to send data to for different |
| 05:12.39 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.46 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~Ryan@c-76-107-191-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 05:13.13 | Dagmar | I'd like to think that Comcast would maybe switch to IPv6 as they transform themselves into Xfinity, but I'm pretty sure there's no chance in hell of that happening without them charging me 50% more because cleatly, six is 50% more than four. |
| 05:13.24 | Dagmar | s/cleatly/clearly/ |
| 05:14.45 | Amarande | How's XP with IPv6? If everyone was Macs, Linux, or Vista+, we'd be fine, but I forget if XP is bad with IPv6 |
| 05:14.54 | Amarande | and everyone has to stop and let POOR LITTLE WINDOWS catch up :P heh |
| 05:15.22 | Dagmar | I *think* I remember you could download an IPv6 stack for it, but it's not something you can install from a cab file |
| 05:15.36 | Dagmar | It's something you've got to poke around MS's Knowledge Base a bit for |
| 05:15.38 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: www.comcast6.net |
| 05:15.40 | Jerub | ipv6 only matters if you want to connect to the computer, not from it. |
| 05:15.51 | Jerub | everyone who only connects out can just ipv4. |
| 05:15.51 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I tried it at one point and had issues. I don't know if those issues have been fixed. |
| 05:15.53 | Dagmar | Jerub: One-way connections are for bitches |
| 05:16.02 | Dagmar | They are *not* what the internet is about |
| 05:16.11 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, that's not entirely true |
| 05:16.22 | ZorbaTHut | I run a few IRC bots, and I'd like to have them come from different domains |
| 05:16.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Jiminizer7 (~jiminizer@152.105.165.179) |
| 05:16.33 | ZorbaTHut | I don't have enough ipv4 addresses to spare for it, however |
| 05:16.40 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: you run irc bots from windows xp? |
| 05:16.52 | ZorbaTHut | no, I run IRC bots from VMs in Ubuntu, on my home network |
| 05:17.08 | Jerub | tee hee |
| 05:17.16 | Dagmar | Well, that's one way to be sure no one compromises your host through the bot |
| 05:17.30 | ZorbaTHut | I have six separate computers running pretty much all the time ;) (the laptop gets turned off occasionally) |
| 05:17.38 | Jerub | too bad VMs are riddled with security vulns. |
| 05:17.51 | Dagmar | Cite two |
| 05:18.30 | Thunder_Child | "Burger king has cupcake flavored milkshakes. God dammit America." i have to admit, that does sound interesting |
| 05:18.32 | Jerub | Dagmar: sorry, this is second hand, don't know the specifics. |
| 05:18.38 | Dagmar | Getting out of the VM and into the host is something only a handful of people worldwide can pull off right now |
| 05:18.44 | Dagmar | ...and not under all possible conditions. |
| 05:18.51 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, note that it's also in a DMZ, locked behind an OpenBSD firewall |
| 05:19.01 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: now you're just showing off. ;) |
| 05:19.10 | ZorbaTHut | there's actually fewer sensitive things accessible from inside the DMZ than there are from the global internet :) |
| 05:19.57 | ZorbaTHut | (although I suppose you'd be able to access a bunch of IRC bots and an HTTP server that mostly exists so I can post funny pictures of cats easily) |
| 05:20.13 | Jerub | Dagmar: the person who I drinking with at the time of this discussion was rusty russell, and a few of his coworkers, so uh.. yeah. |
| 05:20.28 | eidolarr | Arrowmaster: to my understanding a simplified router looks at the network bits and looks at the host bits, and if the network bits match its own it passes the packed on to the matching host on its network |
| 05:20.47 | Dagmar | Jerub: He may have been overstating things, or misstating |
| 05:21.01 | Dagmar | Escaping a VM and getting at the host is decidedly non-trivial still |
| 05:21.03 | eidolarr | Arrowmaster: and if it doesn't it passes the buck... my question is, why have that check at all? why not keep passing the buck until it ends up in the right place? what would *break* if we did that? |
| 05:21.03 | Jerub | Dagmar: oh, so you've seen rusty drink? |
| 05:21.17 | Dagmar | Jerub: no, but I go to hacker 'cons here in the US. ;) |
| 05:21.31 | Dagmar | Drunk hackers are safe for civilization |
| 05:21.38 | Dagmar | We decided this back in '96 or so |
| 05:21.53 | Jerub | safer? |
| 05:22.02 | Dagmar | Large numbers of hackers decidedly not drunk and showing off for each other can ruin entire hotels. ;) |
| 05:22.13 | Dagmar | s/not drunk/not drunk enough/; |
| 05:22.30 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, who would it pass the buck to? |
| 05:22.34 | Arrowmaster | eidolarr: scalability, if we didnt have subnets then each router would have to be a lot more powerful with a lot more memory because every router would need to remember the path to get to every host |
| 05:22.49 | Jerub | ... that reminds me of the year we worked out the POS system used the open wifi that was visible in the dining room. |
| 05:22.56 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, take my network. I have a computer at 192.168.42.5, for example |
| 05:23.00 | Dagmar | Jerub: I spend a bit of time one night in '96 watching a guy drinking a can of Kirin while wrestling with someone in Texas over control over most of Netcom |
| 05:23.05 | Dagmar | Just one example. |
| 05:23.12 | ZorbaTHut | let's say I want to access 74.125.19.147 (that's what I get for www.google.com right now, for reference) |
| 05:23.32 | ZorbaTHut | my computer says "hmm, is that in my subnet? no it is not! I will send this off to my gateway system, 192.168.42.1" |
| 05:23.35 | Dagmar | Drinking eventually made him disinterested in it and he locked everyone out until morning. (including netcom admins) |
| 05:23.58 | Dagmar | Jerub: There's a reason security company reps are very, very free with the drinks at hacker cons, too. :) |
| 05:24.23 | ZorbaTHut | now, 192.168.42.1 is my OpenBSD box which has access to a few different subnets. it observes that the destination IP, 74.125.19.147, doesn't fit any of them, and passes it to *its* upstream gateway, 69.12.150.1 |
| 05:24.29 | Jerub | I've met too many posers too tho :( |
| 05:24.34 | Dagmar | A couple of times guys came to Summercon just to buy drinks and say "Hi, I work for X. Please accept this booze with our best wishes and don't break our shit tonight" |
| 05:24.43 | ZorbaTHut | one way or another, eventually it hits a computer that actually does know how to get to 74.125.19.147. from there, it tunnels back down through the network until it reaches that IP itself. |
| 05:24.58 | Dagmar | This is probably one of the most effective security expenditures some companies can have. hehe |
| 05:25.18 | Jerub | in fact, disproporationately, security people i've met in .au talk the talk but really don't know shit :( |
| 05:25.19 | Dagmar | What's a $200 bar tab compared to a single IRT consult |
| 05:25.41 | ZorbaTHut | but let's say instead I try sending to 192.168.100.5. that's in my DMZ. In that case, the OpenBSD box catches it and says "oh hey I know how to get to that box", and lobs it off into my 192.168.100.* network. It would be worthless to send it up to 69.12.150.1 - that IP has no bloody clue how to get to my private 192.168.100.* network. |
| 05:26.16 | eidolarr | ZorbaTHut: somehow i'm not seeing why the local addresses are necessary... why couldn't we replace 192.168.n with some absolute address, and do the same thing? |
| 05:26.30 | kdtresh | ZorbaTHut: is that assuming people know WHY it can't route to the 192.168.* subnet? |
| 05:26.35 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, in this case, simply because I don't own enough addresses |
| 05:26.52 | kdtresh | eidolarr: you can, you just stomp on externally routable addresses |
| 05:26.56 | Dagmar | NO |
| 05:26.58 | ZorbaTHut | but in many ways that's irrelevant. even if 192.168.100.* was an absolute address, what's the purpose of going up to 69.12.150.1 when I can just go straight to the destination? |
| 05:27.00 | Dagmar | Never do that |
| 05:27.04 | kdtresh | my last job used 192.25.229.0 as an internal subnet |
| 05:27.14 | Jerub | kdtresh: I've seen all sorts of things. |
| 05:27.17 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, at some point, some box has to say "hey I know how to get there" |
| 05:27.26 | kdtresh | never had a problem until they wanted to do something with hp, which happened to have 192.25.229.0 as their external block |
| 05:27.27 | Dagmar | I worked for a place that used 127.127.127.0/24 internally |
| 05:27.30 | ZorbaTHut | and direct the packet off in the right direction, presumably down a path of boxes that all know how to get there. |
| 05:27.32 | Dagmar | UToronto wasn't amused |
| 05:27.45 | Dagmar | The gateway was forevre spewing random crap traffic at them becuse of it |
| 05:27.46 | kdtresh | so when they tried to get to the hp servers, it was looking internally and barfed all over the network |
| 05:27.53 | Jerub | when i used to do support for our equipment i'd get calls and while establishing the network topology, I'd ask questions like, "Why are you using Ford IPs? Are you a ford subsidary on their internal netowrk" and get very strange responses. |
| 05:28.03 | Jerub | (Lots of car dealers actually /do/ have ford ips, for real) |
| 05:28.24 | eidolarr | ZorbaTHut: i definitely see that, i'm just not clear on how it necessitates local addresses |
| 05:28.27 | Dagmar | Jerub: Yeah a lot of hospital admins just filled in the blanks with numbers that looked interesting, never realizing that once established, there would be NO way to ever get the hospital off that netblock |
| 05:28.40 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, well, what do you mean by "local addresses" exactly? |
| 05:28.47 | Jerub | did you hear about 1.2.3.4 ? random internet trash smahses that ip :) |
| 05:28.54 | Dagmar | eidolarr: The private network addresses are non-routable because they're meant for use on private networks only |
| 05:29.00 | ZorbaTHut | because on one hand, there's the "private subnets", and those exist solely to have official blocks that will never exist on the internet itself |
| 05:29.00 | kdtresh | eidolarr: we're nearing the capacity for ip4 subnets, ignoring all the internal "private" subnets in use |
| 05:29.02 | Dagmar | They allow you to have private addressing space. |
| 05:29.05 | kd3 | wait, wait, didn't 1.0.0.0/8 just get assigned? |
| 05:29.12 | Jerub | kd3: yes. |
| 05:29.26 | kdtresh | can you imagine how many subnets would actually be required if all those home networks were using externally routable addresses? |
| 05:29.27 | Jerub | kd3: someone blogged about how he put a machine (legitmately) on 1.2.3.4 and graphed the type of traffic it recieved. |
| 05:29.28 | ZorbaTHut | on another hand there's the simple concept of "local addresses", which exist because, at some point, you have to sit down and say "hey yeah I know how to get to that IP". |
| 05:29.55 | Jerub | http://www.packetlife.net/blog/2010/feb/5/ripe-plays-with-1-0-0-0-network-apnic-allocation/ |
| 05:29.59 | eidolarr | ZorbaTHut: like, you say you want to send to 192.168.100.5. Why not just refer to that as the address everyone else in the world sees it as? |
| 05:30.08 | Dagmar | eidolarr: When you connect to the internet, your IP address must be UNIQUE. MUST MUST. |
| 05:30.19 | eidolarr | so it's just a namespace problem? |
| 05:30.23 | Dagmar | eidolarr: It's a huge network there's no room for screwing around |
| 05:30.25 | Dagmar | Sort of yeah |
| 05:30.27 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, because nobody else in the world sees that as a single address |
| 05:30.41 | kdtresh | namespace + routing work |
| 05:30.43 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, take my 192.168.42.6 - there is literally no access to that from the outside |
| 05:30.45 | ZorbaTHut | you can't get there |
| 05:30.56 | ZorbaTHut | you can hammer my IP block all you want, you will never connect to that computer. |
| 05:31.05 | Dagmar | The "private" netblocks are reserved so that say, in your home, you can slap 10.0.0.0/8 addresses on everything willy nilly and not have to give a damn about worrying if there's an IP someone else was using |
| 05:31.28 | Jerub | 172.16/12, 10/8, 192.168/16 |
| 05:31.37 | ZorbaTHut | (not sure you can get to .5 either, though you can get to .3 at least) |
| 05:31.41 | Jerub | and that crazy 169 one that is used automatically sometimes for weird reasons. |
| 05:32.14 | Dagmar | If you want things on *that* network to be able to talk to the internet tho, you need a router that can get ONE (or more) actual internet-routable addresses, and can do either NAT (1-to-1 mapping of IP addresses) or DNAT (requires only one internet address, also called masquerading, doesn't generally work so well both ways) |
| 05:32.38 | durcyn | Dagmar: until you have to route to someone else's RFC1918 space. then you go, 'ugh' and curse IPv4 for being shity shitty shitty shitty |
| 05:32.38 | Jerub | or SOCKS. or just generic proxies. |
| 05:32.51 | Dagmar | Jerub: Microsoft did it the wrong way around, but it's used for when there's no DHCP server available and no static IP information lurking around to use |
| 05:32.54 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, it's also worth pointing out that one IP doesn't necessarily refer to a single computer, once you involve a sufficiently complicated firewall |
| 05:33.04 | Dagmar | durcyn: Then you do double-NAT |
| 05:33.17 | durcyn | Dagmar: I do. that doesn't mean I _like_ it. |
| 05:33.35 | Dagmar | Jerub: ....and by wrong way around, I mean they put this shit into 98 and THEN went and published an RFC |
| 05:34.25 | ZorbaTHut | if you connect to cams.pavlovian.net, you end up getting one of four different VMs depending on which port you use - the OpenBSD firewall splits things apart |
| 05:34.27 | Dagmar | durcyn: I suspect you're feeling side effects from the frustration of being forbidden from beating the crap out of whoever picked a whole range like that without considering whether or not they'd ever connect to something else |
| 05:34.45 | ZorbaTHut | maximilian.pavlovian.net, two entirely different computers depending on the port, one inside my DMZ and one not |
| 05:35.14 | Dagmar | durcyn: When I mentioned the hospitals thing, I had two different hospital networks that were both using 127.127.x.x address space |
| 05:35.30 | Dagmar | I had to have a smoke before touching that router, every time |
| 05:36.15 | durcyn | Dagmar: christ. i rolled my eyes when the company that acquired us assigned us a 10.x/16 prefix, but 127.. damn. |
| 05:36.29 | Dagmar | Yes, wrong in so many ways |
| 05:36.57 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: how is that even possible? |
| 05:37.00 | Dagmar | durcyn: I suppose they're assuming they won't be acquiring more than about 250 other companiesd |
| 05:37.30 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Scotch whiskey and double-NAT |
| 05:37.45 | durcyn | how is what possible? 127's not special, it's just reserved |
| 05:37.54 | Arrowmaster | yes it is special |
| 05:38.15 | Dagmar | You basically have to rewrite the source address so that it becomes a unique one that does not match anything on the remote side as it goes through |
| 05:38.19 | Dagmar | It's not fun |
| 05:38.28 | Arrowmaster | its supposed to loop back without ever hitting the lower parts of the OSI layer |
| 05:38.52 | durcyn | okay, Pollyanna. |
| 05:39.04 | Dagmar | Supposed to flies in the face of what a sufficiently stupid host will do when you tell it explicitly |
| 05:39.40 | Dagmar | Did you ever use an IRIX 6 box or something around that time? |
| 05:39.46 | Dagmar | Everything routed through lo. Everything. |
| 05:40.00 | Dagmar | This was the way SGI meant for it to work. |
| 05:40.33 | Dagmar | Of course, if you were hard-headed like I was and made it route packets directly to the correct interfaces, that would work just fine. It was just more complex than the bullcrap shell scripts they used for initting the host |
| 05:41.11 | Dagmar | I *still* don't know why they had it routing like that |
| 05:41.35 | Dagmar | My only guess it it was a leftover from before they had an ARP daemon or something |
| 05:43.47 | kd3 | whee. corporate's pay and benefits site is broken |
| 05:43.57 | Amarande | speaking of IRIX, you can apparently get an O2 now for a hundred bucks |
| 05:43.58 | kd3 | I have apparently made a grand total of $10.03 in my tenure |
| 05:44.06 | Amarande | I remember when those went for a hundred hundred |
| 05:44.39 | Amarande | I wonder if it comes with the IRIX license though, or if one would have to install Debian or something of the such on it |
| 05:46.16 | kd3 | winces again |
| 05:46.29 | kd3 | and the ssl cert expired 3 days ago... |
| 05:46.34 | kd3 | what the hell, target? |
| 05:47.02 | Adys | kd3! |
| 05:56.09 | Dagmar | Amarande: I'd be shocked to see them selling for that much |
| 05:56.27 | Kemayo | Is there an addon out there which just adds item-quality glows to the character frame? |
| 05:57.05 | Dagmar | Amarande: I think it woul be somewhat hard to argue that you didn't have the licence if you bouhgt the machine |
| 05:57.26 | Dagmar | You would, IMHO, be hard pressed to justify keeping that shit operating system on it |
| 05:57.50 | Dagmar | Dude I had to rebuild their perl binary because if you did a foreach $item (@array) it would segfault |
| 05:58.17 | Dagmar | (Yes, that is perfectly valid syntax--they had no idea about using a test harness) |
| 06:03.50 | Cairenn | offs, people have been aware of this for generation! "children can choke to death on hot dogs" |
| 06:04.05 | Shadowed | next food is going to get a warning label |
| 06:04.07 | Shadowed | MAY CAUSE DEATH |
| 06:04.07 | Cairenn | s/generation/generations/ |
| 06:04.18 | Dagmar | There's already warning labels on hot dogs |
| 06:04.27 | Dagmar | I thought the CNN thing on it was funny |
| 06:04.36 | Shadowed | seriously? |
| 06:04.44 | Dagmar | The woman who does their borderline-humor bits was walking around menacing people with weiners |
| 06:04.52 | Dagmar | There was some old lady who wouldn't even look at it. heheh |
| 06:04.54 | Cairenn | there was just a thing on the news about it |
| 06:05.35 | Cairenn | about how health agencies are saying that all hot dogs should be recalled until their shape is changed, because it's the perfect shape for kids to choke on .... no shit sherlock, parents have known this fact for-fucking-ever |
| 06:05.51 | Dagmar | So have hookers |
| 06:06.03 | Corrodias | more threatening is the fact that kids can stick them in bad places! |
| 06:06.04 | Cairenn | that's why parents always cut hotdogs up for little kids |
| 06:06.13 | Dagmar | Health agencies aren't saying this, media whores pretending to front for health agencies are saying it |
| 06:06.31 | Dagmar | Actual health agencies are more worried about what's in the hotdogs |
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| 06:07.20 | Sargeras | pokes Dolby |
| 06:07.46 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 06:08.03 | Cairenn | tackles Sargeras |
| 06:09.40 | Dolby | smacks Sargeras |
| 06:10.06 | Adys | kills Sargeras |
| 06:10.12 | Cairenn | NO! |
| 06:10.16 | Cairenn | no killing my Sargeras! |
| 06:10.29 | Adys | that's what I said about Illidan a few years ago |
| 06:10.32 | Adys | look what happened. |
| 06:10.39 | Cairenn | I like my great big tall Sargeras hugs every blizzcon! |
| 06:11.02 | Adys | alright then! |
| 06:13.01 | DWSR | You're a demon worshiper? |
| 06:13.43 | Sargeras | she just loves me =D |
| 06:13.45 | Sargeras | as I her |
| 06:13.51 | Sargeras | where's Dolby! |
| 06:13.51 | Cairenn | <3 |
| 06:13.58 | Cairenn | in an instance |
| 06:14.13 | Dolby | Sargeras ignores me |
| 06:14.21 | Dolby | every time i reply he goes away |
| 06:14.27 | Sixen | rawr. |
| 06:14.46 | Sargeras | ITS THE MAN |
| 06:14.52 | Sixen | orly? me? |
| 06:15.02 | Sixen | oh noez. dolby. |
| 06:15.04 | Sixen | =[ |
| 06:15.13 | Sargeras | long time no see Six ;p |
| 06:15.15 | Sixen | :P |
| 06:15.18 | Sargeras | (if you remember me) |
| 06:15.40 | Sixen | 'course. I remember all WoWUIDev-goers. |
| 06:15.47 | Sargeras | heh |
| 06:15.58 | Sixen | I just sit here afk all the time. I'm surprised I haven't been forgotton. *tear* |
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| 06:19.03 | Sixen | ~kd3 |
| 06:24.34 | Sixen | ~duman |
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| 07:07.49 | Adys | i lol'd at the "pre catalysm event flight paths - Horde" |
| 07:07.50 | Adys | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/february/cceventflightpathhorde.jpg |
| 07:07.50 | Adys | paint rocks |
| 07:07.55 | Adys | MOMMY HES MAKING FUN OF ME :( |
| 07:08.13 | Zyn | needs lensflare |
| 07:15.05 | Jerub | Adys: what's the ocntext for that |
| 07:15.19 | Adys | Jerub: mmo-champion.com |
| 07:16.31 | Jerub | cool |
| 07:17.11 | ZorbaTHut | aww, frozen orb prices already skyrocketed on my server |
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| 07:22.33 | robotusch | ZorbaTHut, how much? |
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| 07:23.14 | ZorbaTHut | 25g |
| 07:23.22 | robotusch | eh |
| 07:23.32 | robotusch | goes for 20 on my realm |
| 07:23.37 | ZorbaTHut | I went and tossed a bid on a stack going for 7g/ea, but I doubt I'll get it |
| 07:23.42 | ZorbaTHut | it was down to vendor price a week or two ago |
| 07:23.48 | robotusch | still, it's up from something like 6-7g |
| 07:24.08 | robotusch | did a few randoms earlier, and sure enough, half the group still greeds them |
| 07:24.11 | ZorbaTHut | I was hoping to pick up a bunch of orbs for cheap, then make tons of money off it when 3.3.3 hit, but :D |
| 07:24.27 | Dagmar | Oh lord |
| 07:24.33 | Dagmar | Gryphon pet == teh qute! |
| 07:24.40 | robotusch | :3 |
| 07:34.27 | Fisker | i hate Blizzard |
| 07:34.37 | Fisker | stop making things i want to buy, but shouldn't really buy |
| 07:34.59 | robotusch | :P |
| 07:35.30 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: what caused the increased demand? |
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| 07:36.16 | Thunder_Child | you're doing it wrong Fisker |
| 07:36.33 | Jerub | oh wow. |
| 07:36.52 | Jerub | i literally only just got my tailor to the point he can make ebonweave et all and they're now not having a CD |
| 07:37.31 | Jerub | and a frozen orb trader i see... |
| 07:40.44 | Jerub | ... i'm going to need to start farming instances fulltime for a while. |
| 07:40.55 | Jerub | maybe i can sell dungeon runs as a tank.. |
| 07:42.25 | Jerub | is 3.3.3 tonight? |
| 07:44.19 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o eir] by ChanServ |
| 07:44.20 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-b *!*@bzq-79-180-18-85.red.bezeqint.net] by eir |
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| 07:48.47 | Thunder_Child | that was random |
| 07:48.53 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: stop messing up |
| 07:49.20 | Shirik | ? |
| 07:49.28 | Thunder_Child | *** Mode #wowuidev +o eir by ChanServ |
| 07:49.28 | Thunder_Child | *** Mode #wowuidev -b *!*@bzq-79-180-18-85.red.bezeqint.net by eir |
| 07:49.28 | Thunder_Child | *** Mode #wowuidev -o eir by eir |
| 07:49.34 | Shirik | and? |
| 07:49.45 | Thunder_Child | fail |
| 07:49.50 | Shirik | (02:44:16)  -⺠(eir:#wowuidev-ops) (REM) ban[17431] *!*@bzq-79-180-18-85.red.bezeqint.net was set on #wowuidev by EDI!~Shiibot@WoWUIDev/Nospam on 2010-02-22 07:43:52 and had an expiry date of 2010-02-23 07:43:52. It was removed by eir!~eir@freenode/utility-bot/eir on Tue Feb 23 07:44:21 2010 |
| 07:50.56 | Thunder_Child | it op'd itself to unban itself? |
| 07:51.02 | Fisker | OMG |
| 07:51.13 | Fisker | why can't Blizzard just fix their god damn bug? |
| 07:51.14 | Shirik | it didn't unban itself o.o; |
| 07:51.17 | Thunder_Child | and then un op'd itself |
| 07:51.17 | eidolarr | where did you get 'itself' from? |
| 07:51.25 | eidolarr | it unbanned bzqetc |
| 07:51.52 | Shirik | it unbanned someone banned by shiibot a little over 24 hours ago, nothing more |
| 07:52.02 | Thunder_Child | that assumes i know the mask on eir |
| 07:52.12 | Shirik | eir is a freenode service |
| 07:52.14 | Fisker | i hate you Shirik |
| 07:52.23 | Thunder_Child | oh, i thought it was one of yours |
| 07:52.35 | Thunder_Child | ok, that all makes sense then |
| 07:52.42 | Fisker | Blizzard still has that bug on razuvious where you can't leave the pet without rightclicking it and pressing dismiss pet |
| 07:52.47 | Fisker | i always leave party ;_; |
| 07:53.07 | Shirik | eir simply tracks and manages the ban list so we don't keep filling it up like we used to |
| 07:53.27 | Shirik | it is especially useful due to the arbitrary bans EDI might put in place from time to time |
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| 07:53.49 | Jerub | ~wowalert |
| 07:53.49 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 07:54.00 | Shirik | I realize that EDI and eir are quite similar names and for that I apologize |
| 07:54.07 | Shirik | you can blame Kraps for that |
| 07:54.23 | Jerub | there's no wow alert... |
| 07:54.33 | Thunder_Child | no, i know the diff, i just thought eir was yours |
| 07:54.45 | Dagmar | I am *hoping* I flushed my cooldown cloth in time |
| 07:55.07 | Adys | Only me cringing every time I see a picture like this? http://static.arstechnica.com/gears.jpg |
| 07:55.31 | Jerub | anyone know if 3.3.3 will be tonight? I've only just seen the alerts. |
| 07:55.36 | zenzio | Adys: what about it in particular? |
| 07:55.36 | Cairenn | unlikely |
| 07:55.45 | Adys | its not for tonight no |
| 07:55.46 | Adys | and |
| 07:55.48 | Jerub | Dagmar: surely the thing to do is buy all the CD cloth you can and make glacial bags by the handful. |
| 07:55.49 | zenzio | the apparent inability to move? |
| 07:55.58 | Adys | yes zenzio |
| 07:56.07 | zenzio | then yes, I find it annoying too |
| 07:56.07 | Adys | unless theres something Im missing |
| 07:57.13 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1607 |
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| 08:03.38 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, 3.3.3 will probably be a bit, they're clearly adding the cataclysm intro quests to it |
| 08:04.03 | ZorbaTHut | that said, I'm actually kind of surprised they're putting it in testing this early, considering its content |
| 08:09.08 | zenzio | "Fixed an issue where pressing F9 after the mission completion screen reset Shepard to Level 1." -- I'm sure there's some logic to this bug, but it sounds totally weird to someone not familiar with their code o_O |
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| 08:20.39 | Cairenn | Zyonin: access added for staff channel |
| 08:23.35 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/02/22/funny-pictures-cat-wireless-cat/ |
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| 08:28.52 | Fisker | get on my horse |
| 08:29.09 | robotusch | no |
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| 09:12.22 | amro | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/02/23/john-carmack-gets-life/ |
| 09:14.16 | Fisker | nice title |
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| 09:29.38 | gnarf | hey guys |
| 09:29.53 | mikma | gusyy |
| 09:30.05 | gnarf | anyone know a way to paste a link to the chat window as if you had shift/clicked on an item? |
| 09:30.40 | mikma | SendChatMessage() |
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| 09:36.41 | tem | gnarf, ChatFrameEditBox:Insert(link) |
| 09:36.56 | gnarf | tem: if the chat frame isn't open, will it open/insert it? |
| 09:37.05 | tem | no |
| 09:37.23 | tem | I'm not sure on what the "right" way is to open it |
| 09:37.30 | tem | you can just :Show() it if you want |
| 09:37.43 | tem | but that's not always safe with blizzard frames |
| 09:37.59 | tem | I would dig around in the base ui for when blizzard does it to see how they do it |
| 09:38.15 | gnarf | doesn't actually have wow running on any computer atm |
| 09:38.21 | gnarf | just trying to answer a question on epicadvice :) |
| 09:38.37 | tem | www.wowprogramming.com/utils |
| 09:38.58 | tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.04 | gnarf | ChatEdit_InsertLink(link) |
| 09:42.11 | gnarf | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/ChatFrame.lua |
| 09:42.24 | tem | yep that's a good place to find it |
| 09:42.25 | gnarf | safe to call in a global? |
| 09:43.19 | tem | it does nothing if the editbox is hidden |
| 09:44.21 | gnarf | still prolly safer than just calling ChatFrameEditBox:Insert() |
| 09:44.59 | tem | did you look up the funtion? I wouldn't be suprised if it didn't do much more than the :Insert method call |
| 09:45.06 | gnarf | http://epicadvice.com/questions/4936 |
| 09:46.00 | gnarf | that look like it should(tm) work? |
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| 10:58.01 | olafski | bah lord jaraxxus must die :< |
| 10:59.13 | amro | landolar must die |
| 11:00.42 | olafski | someone care to give an opinion as to whether http://130.89.168.156/temp/screenshots/wow-wotlk/army_of_ski2.png or http://130.89.168.156/temp/screenshots/wow-wotlk/army_of_ski1.png looks better? =) |
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| 11:01.45 | nevcairiel | without shadow form imho |
| 11:02.11 | olafski | good thing I made both versions I guess.. would be a pain to get all my chars to line up that nicely again |
| 11:02.18 | olafski | but his gear looks so noobish ;) |
| 11:02.28 | olafski | though shoulders look bad in shadowform.. wonder why |
| 11:02.33 | smoke_ | where can i find a list of the default interface sound files? |
| 11:02.41 | olafski | .. and I should have turned on FSAA before I made this :< |
| 11:03.09 | smoke_ | common.mpq? |
| 11:03.38 | nevcairiel | you also should've picked a spot with a higher texture resolution |
| 11:04.01 | nevcairiel | the floor is just awful |
| 11:08.19 | lebqzz | priest without shadow |
| 11:08.31 | olafski | do you know a good spot nevcairiel? |
| 11:08.34 | olafski | this seemed iconic |
| 11:08.44 | olafski | for my horde chars I did it in the throne room of undercity |
| 11:10.12 | Jerub | I got 70 orbs at 15g, now i'm listing them for 70g each |
| 11:10.19 | Jerub | see hwo that goes |
| 11:10.26 | lebqzz | hehe jerub btw |
| 11:10.50 | lebqzz | i healed PoS with Wild Growth only ;P |
| 11:10.59 | Jerub | lebqzz: hehehe |
| 11:10.59 | lebqzz | tank was kinda imba lol |
| 11:11.23 | Jerub | what's the etymology of 'imba' btw |
| 11:11.35 | lebqzz | he has 60k hp as a warrior |
| 11:11.51 | Jerub | the only nasty healing in PoS is the first two pulls after the second boss |
| 11:12.05 | lebqzz | na we skipped those |
| 11:12.13 | Jerub | ... you can skip those? |
| 11:12.20 | lebqzz | ye |
| 11:12.27 | lebqzz | but the whole group has to be alert though |
| 11:12.30 | lebqzz | its easy to do |
| 11:12.38 | lebqzz | right after the second boss. |
| 11:12.49 | lebqzz | dont go close to the ramp but get everyone to mount up |
| 11:13.29 | lebqzz | then you all run for your life up.. and those botches will not aggro while they are running.. so get to the first place of the skelly ones. and wait for them ;P |
| 11:13.31 | olafski | jerub: it comes from imbalanced I guess |
| 11:13.33 | olafski | bbl |
| 11:13.43 | Jerub | olafski: oh, right |
| 11:14.07 | Jerub | lebqzz: i see. i'll have to train pugs to do that |
| 11:14.17 | Jerub | because those pulls are the only hard bit in the instance |
| 11:14.52 | lebqzz | yeh they are |
| 11:15.00 | lebqzz | those flamecallers are right nasty |
| 11:15.15 | Jerub | as a bear tank without a useful ranged silence it's annoying |
| 11:15.23 | lebqzz | but a warrior can spellreflect some of that dmg... its fun as hell to see them almost one shit themself ;P |
| 11:17.14 | Jerub | i've healed VH with bandages |
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| 11:18.43 | jnwhiteh | I have Elitistgroup do a summary when I get into a random heroic |
| 11:18.46 | jnwhiteh | if they're geared enough |
| 11:18.48 | jnwhiteh | I heal in boomkin form =) |
| 11:19.24 | amro | I tank in zerker stance |
| 11:19.35 | jnwhiteh | word |
| 11:21.12 | Fisker | I DPS in healing gear |
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| 11:33.36 | Zyn | I ragequit on an hourly basis |
| 11:34.12 | Zyn | when pugs tell you to trinket fears, as resto druid, you know it's time to leave |
| 11:38.30 | Fisker | i ragequitted your mom |
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| 11:44.57 | Jerub | Zyn: in what instance? |
| 11:45.23 | Zyn | UP |
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| 11:48.25 | lebqzz | lol at the end i'm guessing |
| 11:49.07 | Jerub | meh |
| 11:50.48 | Zyn | yerr |
| 11:52.09 | Zyn | and called me a failure etc .. yeah, cause you can heal like a god when feared + tank enjoy getting his back massaged by mobs |
| 11:52.28 | nevcairiel | hah, fun |
| 11:52.42 | Zyn | and then told me to trinket |
| 11:52.51 | Zyn | I made a massive ":|" face and left |
| 11:53.01 | nevcairiel | i dont even carry a trinket like that |
| 11:53.13 | nevcairiel | have it banked somewhere |
| 11:54.09 | Zyn | can't remember if I got any PvP trinket on any character :D |
| 11:54.22 | Zyn | (since my main is human) |
| 12:01.33 | lebqzz | not that.. you use pve trinkets not pvp trinkets in PVE |
| 12:02.42 | zenzio_ | I've never had the PvP trinket |
| 12:02.51 | lebqzz | you get it from the quest in thrallmar now |
| 12:05.36 | nevcairiel | the crappy version, sure |
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| 12:15.09 | amro | I think there's one that gives sp/ap, but it's only worth using if you don't have better pve trinkets |
| 12:15.16 | amro | EMFH > * |
| 12:23.30 | zenzio_ | "IF an integer is parsed in the woods, and no one is around to hear it fail, does it raise an exception? " |
| 12:24.41 | nevcairiel | yes. |
| 12:25.00 | nevcairiel | Will someone catch it? probably not. |
| 12:27.06 | zenzio_ | "Yup, you're right. This, however, wouldn't be my method of choice to test for NULLs." "Agreed; a proper test for null requires xml! " |
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| 12:39.38 | amro | zenzio_: XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve your problem, you're not using enough of it |
| 12:39.47 | zenzio_ | :-p |
| 12:40.43 | nevcairiel | If you have a problem and think you can use xml to solve it, you now in fact have two problems |
| 12:40.52 | zenzio_ | aye |
| 12:41.06 | krka | the same applies for regexps |
| 12:41.10 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 12:41.39 | zenzio_ | well, both XML and regular expressions have their uses. Most people just think they're the tool for every problem |
| 12:42.20 | krka | i am going to construct the greatest monstrocity of all |
| 12:42.45 | zenzio_ | regular XML expressions? |
| 12:42.53 | jnwhiteh | regexml |
| 12:47.35 | krka | <pattern><times at-least="3"><class><case character="A" /><case character="B" /></class></times> |
| 12:47.36 | krka | [AB]{3} is too easy! |
| 12:47.36 | jnwhiteh | tatus:We have received your phone at HTC service center. |
| 12:47.36 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 12:47.36 | zenzio_ | jnwhiteh: o_O Your phone broke? |
| 12:47.36 | jnwhiteh | have battery issues |
| 12:47.36 | jnwhiteh | so its in for repair! |
| 12:47.36 | zenzio_ | doh |
| 12:55.07 | mikma | kaboom |
| 12:57.37 | jnwhiteh | Gah I hate my office computer these days =/ |
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| 13:13.43 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 13:13.51 | zenzio_ | o/ |
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| 13:14.38 | bluspacecow | sixxen around ? |
| 13:16.10 | Zyonin | I have not seen him, then again, I am not paying much attention as I got plenty to do today. |
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| 13:49.07 | Kraps | Shirik: wait what? |
| 13:55.13 | Fisker | ~seen Sixen1 |
| 13:55.15 | purl | sixen1 is currently on #sc2mapster (46m 44s) #wowuidev (46m 44s), last said: 'pong'. |
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| 13:56.00 | Sixxen | hm? |
| 13:57.10 | Fisker | haha |
| 13:57.12 | Fisker | he just left |
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| 14:08.00 | zenzio_ | "I always thought the WiFi radio in laptops would be a good thing for generating random numbers." "Brilliant! Just assign a bit based on whether or not it works in a given Ubuntu release!" |
| 14:08.22 | zenzio_ | "How is an infinite stream of 0s random?" |
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| 14:16.11 | DWSR | zenzio_: Win. :D |
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| 14:26.07 | Kaso | (i know not really the point of your post but :) The wifi radio would be a terrible thing for generating random numbers |
| 14:26.34 | zenzio_ | Kaso: was a thread of comments to a Slashdot post about randomness |
| 14:26.55 | Kaso | yeah i realised it was not your comment, and you were posting for the funny ubuntu joke |
| 14:27.01 | Kaso | but i cant resist myself ;p |
| 14:27.15 | zenzio_ | hehe |
| 14:27.39 | zenzio_ | I'm too poor at math and statistics to try to make suggestions about randomness :-p |
| 14:28.42 | Kaso | using radios for entropy is a thing you can do, but you have to be careful its not tuned to any in-use frequency (or for the parnoid, any frequency an attacker could use) otherwise it gives them a side channel |
| 14:29.00 | Kaso | using a radio channel which any laptop within 100yrds could broadcast to is not so fun |
| 14:30.10 | Fisker | i troll u Kaso |
| 14:30.27 | zenzio_ | Fisker's trolling is a poor source of randomness too |
| 14:30.31 | Kaso | lol |
| 14:30.35 | Kaso | i like that |
| 14:32.44 | Fisker | but... |
| 14:32.45 | Fisker | :( |
| 14:38.56 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwiphYQPxVM&feature=player_embedded |
| 14:39.05 | Wobin | Dogs That Love Law And Order |
| 14:39.13 | Fisker | i hate you Wobin |
| 14:39.27 | Fisker | i think that's more a sign of hate |
| 14:56.32 | Wobin | You hating me is a sign of hate? |
| 14:56.39 | Wobin | I think of it as a sign of love. |
| 14:57.04 | Kalroth | aww |
| 14:57.09 | Kalroth | Fisker wubs Wobin |
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| 15:06.50 | harl | wuff |
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| 15:29.11 | Kraps | retaking Gnomer ftw |
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| 15:32.49 | Kraps | i'm guessing it will be a one-time event? |
| 15:36.51 | olafski | likely :) |
| 15:39.26 | alestane | Is the instance going away? |
| 15:40.26 | theorbtwo | The last I heard about it, it was something like "retake gnomeregon... and then loose it again", so I'd bet they are rejigging the story of the instance, not getting rid of it. |
| 15:40.39 | Gnarfoz | *Gnomeregan |
| 15:41.05 | theorbtwo | Sorry. Never get that one right. |
| 15:42.27 | Kraps | theorbtwo: i think there are trolls involved, if mmo-champ is right |
| 15:42.58 | olafski | trolls retake their own island |
| 15:43.03 | olafski | as far as bibi knows :) |
| 15:43.21 | theorbtwo | Backstory-wise, trolls are the horde version of gnomes, so that isn't surprising. |
| 15:43.47 | zenzelezz | I don't think gnomes potentially evolved into elves |
| 15:44.17 | theorbtwo | Er... I didn't know that bit of troll backstory. |
| 15:44.45 | Kraps | theorbtwo: they dont have a city either |
| 15:45.15 | theorbtwo | I meant in as far as them having lost their homeland and now living as guests in the other cities of their faction. |
| 15:45.43 | alestane | Weakness of C++: Inability to create an array of const items using new[]. |
| 15:45.45 | zenzelezz | theorbtwo: I know, I was nitpicking :-p |
| 15:46.30 | alestane | Of course, how would you initialize them correctly? |
| 15:46.57 | zenzelezz | what are you trying to create an array of? |
| 15:47.28 | alestane | Well, in this case the solution was to not create them const, since they really shouldn't be anyway. |
| 15:47.51 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 15:47.53 | alestane | But I've run into the same problem when you have an object that requires a constructor with arguments. |
| 15:48.14 | bluspacecow | hhahahaha |
| 15:48.19 | bluspacecow | some guy of the forums |
| 15:48.37 | alestane | Seems like you should be able to write it "new[10] someClass(initializers)" |
| 15:48.41 | bluspacecow | is claiming he got keylogged by a LUA script at the login screen and he got it from Curse via the Curse client |
| 15:48.45 | bluspacecow | his words not mine |
| 15:48.54 | bluspacecow | watta fool |
| 15:48.58 | alestane | That would take some doing. |
| 15:49.08 | zenzelezz | alestane: while I agree, couldn't you use an std::vector<class> and add them one by one in a loop? Not as clean as a new[], but vectors are recommended over arrays most of the time |
| 15:49.42 | alestane | Like, you'd basically have to bend over backward and say "oh please, log me" for that to even come close to being possible. |
| 15:50.00 | alestane | zenzelezz: Probably. It's not a problem I'm facing at the moment, just one I have in the past. |
| 15:50.19 | zenzelezz | it is a valid point |
| 15:51.30 | alestane | And in this particular case, I'm creating a buffer to pass to an API routine, and I don't think using a vector would be reliable. |
| 15:52.05 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 15:52.21 | alestane | I was reminded of it because it threw me the message "attempt to create const without initialization" or something like that. |
| 15:53.01 | alestane | And in any case, seems like the array part of the new request is really an argument to the new call and not to the constructor anyway, so it makes sense to plae it there. |
| 15:53.05 | alestane | place* |
| 15:54.37 | alestane | Stroustrup on misuse of the delete[] operator: "In simple and uninteresting cases like the previous one, a compiler can detect the problem, but generally something nasty will happen at run time." |
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| 16:00.28 | eidolarr | alestane: why not cast it to initialize? |
| 16:01.19 | alestane | Not sure of your pronouns there. |
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| 16:04.03 | alestane | One can do that, but any time one is doing a const_cast it is a good sign that something ugly is going on. |
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| 16:04.23 | eidolarr | bleh that's what they said about gotos |
| 16:04.46 | eidolarr | if you do it sensibly most would prefer that to not using const when the array is "in spirit" constant |
| 16:04.49 | alestane | And like gotos, occasionally it is unavoidable. |
| 16:06.37 | eidolarr | hell yeah i am all about the bailout gotos |
| 16:07.18 | eidolarr | can you tell C++ to run a constructor on an arbitrary address? |
| 16:08.46 | alestane | Yes, but that's even uglier. |
| 16:09.05 | eidolarr | how? |
| 16:09.22 | eidolarr | ugly sure but you do what you gotta |
| 16:09.45 | alestane | But is the only way to address the problem when you have, for instance, a class that must initialize certain const members and construction, such as references. |
| 16:09.54 | alestane | at* construction. |
| 16:10.31 | eidolarr | i'm not sure what you mean |
| 16:10.59 | eidolarr | I mean like, say you're writing some addon to malloc() or whatever and you need your class to be put in the first bytes of the buffer found |
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| 16:12.16 | alestane | In a case where you're using a plug-in architecture, you can usually address that by overloading new in some way, such as giving it its own arguments. |
| 16:12.39 | alestane | You can write things like "new(someOtherHeap) myObject(args);" |
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| 16:12.55 | alestane | Haipeppi. |
| 16:13.16 | Lopeppeppy | oh halp. I mean, hi. |
| 16:13.26 | alestane | Needz halp? |
| 16:13.31 | eidolarr | there is no way to do it in vanilla C++? |
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| 16:13.46 | bluspacecow | \o peppy |
| 16:13.49 | alestane | There is a library that contains a function that will do that, yes. |
| 16:14.13 | alestane | You can indeed call a constructor on an arbitrary memory space, but it's chancy and non-portable in the extreme. |
| 16:15.04 | DWSR | Dagmar |
| 16:15.05 | eidolarr | nonportable in what sense? |
| 16:15.35 | alestane | It might not work if you move to a different compiler or platform. |
| 16:15.41 | Kraps | what does \o mean? |
| 16:15.45 | cog|away | in the sense that the details of the layout of classes is up to the compiler |
| 16:16.00 | cog|away | and the architecture |
| 16:16.18 | eidolarr | well i don't mean arbitrary in the sense of picking a random address, but you could say allocate a thread stack and put the object describing it immediatela above it |
| 16:16.34 | eidolarr | cog|away: presumably you would use sizeof or structs in some clever way |
| 16:16.34 | alestane | For instance, if you try to do it with a polymorphic class, it might write the virtual function linkage into a space before the target address. |
| 16:16.40 | bluspacecow | Kraps : its a guy waving :) |
| 16:17.01 | ZorbaTHut | alestane, I think it's guaranteed to not do that |
| 16:17.10 | cog|away | eidolarr: just because you can get it to work doesn't mean it's portable |
| 16:17.23 | cog|away | when you're playing around with things that aren't defined by the spec, you're shooting yourself in the foot |
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| 16:17.51 | eidolarr | so the answer is "there is no way to invoke the constructor on a particular block of memory in the spec" ? |
| 16:18.49 | cog|away | !g placement new |
| 16:18.49 | batbot | cog|away: [11] Destructors, C++ FAQ Lite <http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/dtors.html> |
| 16:18.53 | ZorbaTHut | I'm pretty sure that char blah[sizeof(Hello)]; Hello *hello = new (blah) Hello(params); |
| 16:19.02 | ZorbaTHut | is guaranteed to function as expected |
| 16:19.20 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, just being sick-face. |
| 16:19.20 | cog|away | ZorbaTHut: but then you're still depending on the compiler for the placement of blah |
| 16:19.38 | cog|away | (and yeah, that's what placement new is) |
| 16:20.07 | eidolarr | I thought new was spiritually analogous to malloc() ? |
| 16:20.09 | alestane | Gah, my API library and the Lua library both define a macro named "check" and I can't get it to ignore the API definition when compiling the Lua, even though the Lua is compiled first. |
| 16:20.27 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, roughly analogous, but it does a lot of magic behind the scenes as well |
| 16:22.21 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I got a job interview! <3 |
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| 16:22.37 | bluspacecow | as what ? |
| 16:23.13 | Ackis | back into information security |
| 16:23.15 | eidolarr | it's cheaper than malloc in that specific case? last q - if you copy and paste your constructor so that you run it on a block of memory, excepting things like superclass constructors, is that the same as actually constructing a member? or is there secret initialization? |
| 16:24.17 | zenzelezz | as in running the code as a normal function? |
| 16:24.42 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, sweet! Is it a job-thing that you want? Or just a job-thing that you'll take to leave the burning pits of hell? |
| 16:24.46 | bluspacecow | i see |
| 16:24.47 | eidolarr | naw just like copy pasting, so if your constructor just says this.counter = 0; you would type this.counter = 0; |
| 16:25.09 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: it's one I want |
| 16:25.13 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, there is secret initialization |
| 16:25.13 | bluspacecow | i would of guessed Moral specialist at a cavar farm |
| 16:25.32 | ZorbaTHut | for one thing, the constructor implicitly calls the default constructors of all members |
| 16:25.43 | ZorbaTHut | for another thing, the constructor implicitly calls the default constructors of superclasses |
| 16:25.59 | ZorbaTHut | for another thing, the constructor may do other unspecified magic (on modern systems, this is generally "initialize the vtable") |
| 16:25.59 | zenzelezz | setting up the vtable? Or is that the runtime? |
| 16:26.06 | zenzelezz | bah, stop beating me |
| 16:26.07 | bluspacecow | i can see you running around in a pair of short shorts going "You can do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" |
| 16:26.58 | eidolarr | by extension similar things happen for structs, then; it seems weird that they would extend C in that seemingly incompatible way, but then it only hurts if you are using sleazy macros i guess |
| 16:27.08 | ZorbaTHut | worth pointing out that initializing the vtable is far more subtle than you'd expect, as it actually needs to be reinitialized once for every superclass constructor. there's a lot of hidden complexity in initializing a C++ class |
| 16:27.26 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, C++ has a concept of "plain old data structs", and all C structs fall into that concept |
| 16:27.34 | zenzelezz | in C++, a struct is just a class which defaults to public whatstheword... |
| 16:27.37 | ZorbaTHut | POD structs have a set of guarantees that makes them far, far simpler to initialize. |
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| 16:27.57 | eidolarr | my lippman and lajoie says that structs are identical classes except, as zenzelezz says, for the default visibility |
| 16:28.20 | eidolarr | C++ structs don't do any of that secret initialization then? not even implicit constructor calls? |
| 16:28.24 | ZorbaTHut | largely, "nothing has a nontrivial constructor for any reason". for those, you pretty much can just point to a block of memory and be done with it (okay it's not defined, but, really, you can) |
| 16:28.37 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, C++ structs are indeed near-identical to classes and involve all that same magic |
| 16:28.44 | ZorbaTHut | C structs don't have any of the features that require said magic, however. |
| 16:29.53 | eidolarr | so if you are a morally reprehensible being and you use macros for to implement datastructures by statically declaring a struct that wraps the data type along with some pointers, it will fail for C++ classes as data? |
| 16:30.25 | eidolarr | eg NEW_LL_NODE(data_type, data_value) struct { data_type data = data_value; next = ... }; |
| 16:30.34 | eidolarr | woops forgot the #define |
| 16:30.49 | ZorbaTHut | that's not valid in either C or C++, so, uh, I have no idea what you're aiming at :D |
| 16:31.56 | eidolarr | give me a second to cook up an example |
| 16:32.02 | cog|away | if you did that in C++ you'd get a lot of funny looks |
| 16:32.08 | cog|away | considering templates... |
| 16:32.20 | ckknight | hey all, if you're interested in SC2 and especially maps for it, join us at #sc2mapster |
| 16:32.25 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 16:33.56 | eidolarr | http://pastebin.com/fSzmKrsy |
| 16:34.12 | eidolarr | something like that |
| 16:35.19 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, that's perfectly valid. although, as mentioned, kind of silly considering the existence of templates. |
| 16:35.55 | Kraps | ckknight: games still in beta... |
| 16:36.05 | ckknight | Kraps: so? |
| 16:36.12 | ckknight | I'm in the beta |
| 16:36.14 | ckknight | a bunch of us are |
| 16:36.30 | Kraps | will maps work in both? |
| 16:36.52 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, it seems unlikely that they'd break the entire file format, considering that they'd break their own maps in the process |
| 16:37.11 | ZorbaTHut | that said, even if they do, learning the tools is likely useful |
| 16:37.30 | ckknight | Map Editor isn't yet available |
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| 16:37.45 | ckknight | it should be available halfway through beta |
| 16:37.50 | ckknight | I'm more generating buzz for when that arrives |
| 16:37.53 | ckknight | I plan on making maps |
| 16:38.00 | ckknight | I know several other people who will be making maps as well |
| 16:38.46 | Sixen | <~ |
| 16:39.06 | Lopeppeppy | Even if beta maps only work in beta... it's still fun to do if you're an omg uber map geek. |
| 16:39.17 | Sixen | No doubt ^_^ |
| 16:39.20 | Sixen | But they should carry over. |
| 16:39.36 | Kraps | D3 isnt part of bnet confirm/deny |
| 16:39.42 | Sixen | Deny.. |
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| 16:39.50 | Sixen | D3 will use Battle.net 2.0 |
| 16:39.56 | Sixen | All of the games will (legacy too) |
| 16:40.17 | Sixen | Right away, only SC2/WoW will be supported though. Then i'm assuming they'll port the legacy games. Then d3 will be released. |
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| 16:40.46 | Kraps | i jast havent seen any mention of D3 in bnet is all |
| 16:40.57 | Sixen | Yeah, it will. I promise ^_^ |
| 16:41.11 | Lopeppeppy | If it uses anything, it will use that. |
| 16:41.49 | Sixen | Here's the most recent post about it if you need a source: http://diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25529 |
| 16:42.00 | Sixen | *cough*My website*cough* |
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| 16:42.10 | Kraps | still havent finished torchlight |
| 16:42.17 | Sixen | Haha, :P |
| 16:42.34 | Kraps | idk, it gets repetitive |
| 16:43.53 | Kraps | the "send pet to town" thing is brilliant though |
| 16:44.05 | nevcairiel | does torchlight ever finish? |
| 16:44.20 | nevcairiel | i mean, it feels just like the same all over in every level :D |
| 16:44.37 | nevcairiel | oh hey, another stairs, just go further down! |
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| 16:45.41 | Kraps | nevcairiel: arent they (dungeon crawlers) all like that? |
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| 16:46.24 | nevcairiel | probably, but for example d2 just felt better when you moved across continents and had different towns to go to, and all that |
| 16:46.29 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/temp/j << This design annoys me :( |
| 16:46.37 | Lopeppeppy | Very occasionally dungeon games can be made to feel different, usually by making you have to puzzle solve each level. |
| 16:47.44 | Kaelten | ello guys |
| 16:47.49 | nevcairiel | hey Kaelten |
| 16:48.12 | foxlit | private subclasses are rather weird :/ |
| 16:49.43 | Kraps | Sixen: lots of deleted posts in that thread (?) |
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| 16:49.57 | Sixen | Kraps: It's a Blizz tracker |
| 16:50.04 | Sixen | Grabs the OP and the blizz response |
| 16:50.13 | Kraps | ah |
| 16:50.16 | Sixen | Click [Source] to go to the actual thread |
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| 16:53.43 | Kraps | nice "lol ur poor" troll in there |
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| 16:59.56 | Lunessa | Station |
| 17:01.15 | mikma | gas |
| 17:02.29 | foxlit | Fisker: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/denmark_introduces_harrowing_new |
| 17:04.48 | Lopeppeppy | morning, lunessa dear |
| 17:08.55 | Lunessa | foxlit: Ewwww |
| 17:09.32 | foxlit | Lunessa: I'm going to claim there was a reason for that "Fisker: " prefix. |
| 17:10.08 | Lunessa | foxlit: I'll forgive you, this time. because I got a new OPie version this morning. |
| 17:10.38 | Lunessa | BTW - your error trapping feature is very nice. I should steal it for my own projects. ;) |
| 17:10.41 | DWSR | :o |
| 17:10.43 | DWSR | New opie? |
| 17:10.48 | DWSR | !g opie |
| 17:10.48 | batbot | DWSR: Opie <http://opie.handhelds.org/> |
| 17:10.56 | DWSR | fail |
| 17:10.56 | foxlit | Lunessa: I'm considering getting rid of it, actually. People don't seem to get the idea. |
| 17:11.13 | Lunessa | foxlit: Which is a shame. It's legendary. |
| 17:11.16 | foxlit | DWSR: there's also that Anthony fellow. Keeps stealing my google ranks :( |
| 17:12.12 | Gnarfoz | !addon opie |
| 17:12.18 | lua_bot | OPie (v. Foxtrot 3) last updated Thu Feb 18 13:28 (http://is.gd/90Xg6) |
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| 17:14.36 | foxlit | By the looks of it, there is going to be a 4 to fix an LBF bug. |
| 17:14.59 | foxlit | Unfortunately, people reporting that one tend to vanish under mysterious circumstances. I can only presume LBF eats them. |
| 17:16.46 | Lunessa | Ok, so my office-mate (also one of my best friends) loves McDonald's Chicken McNuggets. I brought him the 50 pack for lunch and dared him to eat them all. He's going to try for it by 2pm. I'm laughing my ass off over here. |
| 17:17.08 | Shadowed | so $10 of food, $50 of entertainment? |
| 17:17.24 | Lunessa | Shadowed oh yeah. Oh HELL YEAH |
| 17:17.30 | Lopeppeppy | Does he realized the CHEMICALS he's eating? Wow. |
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| 17:18.41 | nevcairiel | they have a 50 pack in the US? |
| 17:18.43 | nevcairiel | well figures |
| 17:20.25 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: They usually only trot it out for the Superbowl weekend, but for some reason they've got it up as a "family meal deal" and I think it's pretty nasty. But the entertainment is SO WORTH IT. |
| 17:20.27 | alestane | It's not really intended for single-peson consumption. |
| 17:20.53 | nevcairiel | The biggest they serve here is 20 |
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| 17:31.23 | Kraps | i love chicken nuggets! |
| 17:31.34 | alestane | Okay, anyone here know Xcode? |
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| 17:32.14 | alestane | Trying to figure out why I'm getting "symbol not found" errors regarding funcitons defined and compiled in the same project. |
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| 17:36.53 | cbreak | alestane: show code |
| 17:37.20 | Kraps | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23392929726&sid=3000 |
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| 17:38.33 | alestane | cbreak: Sample error: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/133360 |
| 17:39.13 | cbreak | do you link lua statically? |
| 17:39.20 | cbreak | or do you build it as part of the project? |
| 17:39.32 | alestane | My project includes all the Lua source .c files, and they've all compiled successfully, but the linker chokes on every last one of them when it goes to link. |
| 17:39.47 | cbreak | which header do you include? |
| 17:39.59 | cbreak | and is the rest C, Objective-C or C++ code? |
| 17:40.02 | alestane | lua.h, lualib.h and lauxlib.h. |
| 17:40.14 | cbreak | (if it's C++, you should use lua.hpp instead, for extern "C" name mangling) |
| 17:40.19 | alestane | I was including statically, but then I switched to C++ and it started giving me headaches. |
| 17:40.33 | alestane | It didn't like lua.hpp, either. |
| 17:40.54 | cbreak | worked for me before I switched lua to C++ |
| 17:40.56 | alestane | Said it expected a ( before a string constant or something like that. |
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| 17:41.06 | cbreak | you're doing it wrong :/ |
| 17:41.10 | cbreak | can I see more of the code? |
| 17:41.40 | alestane | Which part is relevant? This is a ten+ file project with at least a few hundred lines of code. |
| 17:41.49 | alestane | Not counting Lua itself. |
| 17:42.12 | cbreak | well, first don't include the lua headers without extern "C" guards |
| 17:42.22 | cbreak | (by including lua.hpp instead) |
| 17:42.28 | alestane | You think the static library I had built before will work with lua.hpp? |
| 17:42.39 | cbreak | depends |
| 17:42.46 | alestane | Because it choked on the extern "C" declaration when I tried including that instead. |
| 17:42.51 | cbreak | if you built it as C code |
| 17:42.58 | cbreak | which is normal for libraries |
| 17:43.05 | cbreak | then you need extern "C" from C++ |
| 17:43.14 | alestane | It was built as a C project and was working fine before I converted to C++. |
| 17:43.15 | cbreak | if you built lua as C++, then you probably didn't build it as library |
| 17:43.29 | alestane | And it was a .a file. |
| 17:43.38 | cbreak | lua is normally built as C |
| 17:43.51 | cbreak | so you need lua.hpp's extern "C" to link to it |
| 17:44.16 | cbreak | well... I compiled my lua as C++ for better exception handling, but if you want to stay with C... :) |
| 17:44.25 | alestane | I just want it to work. |
| 17:44.37 | alestane | I don't mind building it in the project as C++ either. |
| 17:44.46 | alestane | Whatever will get the linker to shut up and behave. |
| 17:45.25 | alestane | Right now, I have the complete Lua source being built inside the project, but they may still be being built as C rather than C++. |
| 17:46.08 | cbreak | they are |
| 17:46.12 | cbreak | so you need lua.hpp |
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| 17:46.38 | cbreak | I renamed the c to cpp files to make it compile as C++, but if you use xcode directly, I think there's a more elegant way |
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| 17:48.02 | alestane | Found a "Compile Sources as" menu in the build options. |
| 17:48.09 | lebqzz | cant wait till friday... I'm orderig the wowP book ;P |
| 17:48.17 | alestane | Set it to "C++" rather than "according to file type." |
| 17:48.19 | Ackis | order it today! |
| 17:48.30 | lebqzz | cant no money on that account |
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| 17:49.05 | cbreak | alestane: I'd have set the file type in the info dialog on the files |
| 17:49.07 | cbreak | but if it works :) |
| 17:49.23 | ZorbaTHut | I'd have used extern "C", myself ;) |
| 17:49.32 | alestane | This generated a bunch of compile-time errors along the lines of "/Users/nevin/Projects/PlaySmith/Lua/loslib.c:60:0 /Users/nevin/Projects/PlaySmith/Lua/loslib.c:60: error: 'lua_tmpnam' was not declared in this scope" |
| 17:50.12 | alestane | cbreak: Wouldn't I have to do that individually for each .c file in the Lua source, though? |
| 17:50.19 | cbreak | yes |
| 17:50.35 | cbreak | well, you can just select all source files |
| 17:50.39 | cbreak | and get the common info |
| 17:50.47 | cbreak | so "individually" isn't that much harder |
| 17:50.52 | cbreak | it's more "specifically" |
| 17:51.05 | NeoTron | I must say, recapturing the echo isles is NOT comparable to recapturing Gnomeregan :P |
| 17:51.10 | alestane | And should one still use lua.hpp when compiling as C++? I wouldn't think so. |
| 17:51.15 | cbreak | no |
| 17:52.07 | cbreak | (I continued to use it and just removed the extern, because I was lazy to change the includes... :) |
| 17:53.19 | DWSR | There a patch today? |
| 17:53.36 | Kraps | ptr patch :p |
| 17:53.45 | DWSR | No live patch, though, right? |
| 17:53.45 | cbreak | well, if you care, you can look at my sources, but they use Qt's build system, so might not be too helpful to you |
| 17:53.49 | DWSR | NeoTron: It is and it isn't. |
| 17:54.00 | cbreak | and they are rather big as well |
| 17:54.17 | DWSR | NeoTron: It probably wouldn't be nearly as difficult to retake the Isles as it would be to retake Gnomeregan, that's for sure |
| 17:54.46 | ZorbaTHut | they should both be trivial, they're filled with, what, level 20 guys at most? :P |
| 17:54.59 | Kraps | lol |
| 17:55.12 | ZorbaTHut | "hey, we noticed you have more hit points than the entire contents of Gnomeregan combined" |
| 17:55.17 | ZorbaTHut | "could you go in there and clean 'em out" |
| 17:55.18 | ZorbaTHut | "thanks" |
| 17:55.19 | theorbtwo | ZorbaTHut: Gnomeregan is also filled with radiation. |
| 17:55.23 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 17:55.44 | nevcairiel | theorbtwo: so send the gnomes in first to absorb it |
| 17:55.50 | ZorbaTHut | theorbtwo, I don't know about you, but in my experience fatigue is far more deadly than radiation. I'm pretty sure I've been irradiated many many times, and never died from it |
| 17:55.54 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.59 | ZorbaTHut | meanwhile fatigue is, like, instant death |
| 17:55.59 | DWSR | Dagmar! |
| 17:56.10 | DWSR | Dagmar: Just started my ME2 Hardcore playthrough |
| 17:56.18 | Dagmar | Yeah good luck on that |
| 17:56.18 | DWSR | Dagmar: And WTF @ Warp Ammo. It blows! |
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| 17:56.29 | Lopeppeppy | I think I would like to be irradiated now. |
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| 17:56.41 | Dagmar | Being seriously ammo-constrained isn't something I've ever been a fan of |
| 17:56.41 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Does it reduce the look of aging? :P |
| 17:56.49 | foxlit | There are clearly three weapons in ME2 worth bothering with: |
| 17:56.58 | foxlit | the SMG, the assault riffle, and the collector beam. |
| 17:57.12 | Dagmar | I still like the nuke |
| 17:57.12 | DWSR | foxlit: You've obviously never played a class with a sniper rifle. |
| 17:57.14 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 17:57.23 | DWSR | foxlit: The sniper rifle is absolutely disgusting if you're a good shot. |
| 17:57.29 | ZorbaTHut | sniper rifles can be pretty handy too, just stay back and let Grunt eat incoming firepower |
| 17:57.41 | Dagmar | Heh. Incoming firepower? |
| 17:57.45 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 17:57.45 | foxlit | [I'm not even sure about the collector beam on the last play-through] |
| 17:57.47 | Dagmar | There's generally not any of that if I have a sniper rifle |
| 17:58.07 | DWSR | Dagmar: I was thinking of picking up the Geth Shield Booster tech power for my bonus. |
| 17:58.17 | foxlit | Assault riffle is generally useful against armored targets, SMG blasts through everything else. |
| 17:58.20 | DWSR | Kraps: What was that site that you were talking about that dealt with ME2 min/maxing? |
| 17:58.30 | alestane | Compiling them as C++ and getting lots of "not declared in this scope" errors. |
| 17:58.34 | DWSR | foxlit: What class do you play? |
| 17:58.34 | Dagmar | dwsr: Doesnt' sound like a bad idea since they'll probably start mauling you soon |
| 17:58.37 | foxlit | Oh and Pull spam. |
| 17:58.38 | foxlit | Vanguard. |
| 17:58.42 | DWSR | Yeah, that's why. |
| 17:58.53 | DWSR | You don't have access to any of the fun weapons. |
| 17:58.59 | DWSR | Eviserator Shotgun? lolwut? |
| 17:59.01 | cbreak | alestane: weird. Lua is supposed to compile cleanly as C++ |
| 17:59.06 | DWSR | I can has dead korgan in 1 shot on hardcore? |
| 17:59.17 | Shirik | Kraps: Wasn't it you? |
| 17:59.32 | foxlit | I'm pretty sure I have access to shotguns. |
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| 17:59.45 | Kraps | its just on the bioware forums |
| 17:59.48 | theorbtwo | I just recently started on 1. I hate missions where they don't let you use your sniper rifle effectively. |
| 17:59.53 | foxlit | I'm just cowardly enough not to use them. |
| 17:59.57 | DWSR | foxlit: Vanguard was ARs and pistols I thought. |
| 17:59.59 | Shirik | oh you didn't see what that was to |
| 18:00.04 | Shirik | you came up with the name "EDI" didn't you? |
| 18:00.07 | foxlit | DWSR: no. |
| 18:00.09 | DWSR | Shirik: No, that was me. |
| 18:00.14 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:00.15 | foxlit | ARs is through advanced training |
| 18:00.15 | Shirik | fail |
| 18:00.21 | Kraps | Shirik: what? |
| 18:00.21 | Shirik | fine then, Thunder_Child, blame DWSR instead |
| 18:00.23 | foxlit | You get shotguns for free. |
| 18:00.35 | DWSR | foxlit: Eviserator's DLC though |
| 18:00.36 | theorbtwo | Sure, there's sometimes good reasons for it. It pisses me off when games force me to walk up to a baddie, talk to them, and then let them shoot me at point-blank range. |
| 18:00.49 | foxlit | DWSR: I might also have downloaded that. |
| 18:00.53 | foxlit | I just don't like melee range. |
| 18:00.56 | foxlit | Shields die too fast. |
| 18:01.03 | DWSR | foxlit: Ah. |
| 18:01.11 | DWSR | I have Brawler, if that says anything about my play style. |
| 18:01.31 | DWSR | Fun to melee a charging krogan, then hit him with a concussive shot, pull then unstable warp. |
| 18:01.42 | DWSR | It goes through like all 3 health bars. |
| 18:02.14 | DWSR | pull then unstable warp is easily my favourite power combo in the entire game. |
| 18:02.20 | DWSR | Boom? BOOM! |
| 18:03.03 | DWSR | I knocked out a Scion in 1 combo with it on Vet. Got a pull field full of like 10 husks, waited for the Scion a half second and then hit a husk with warp. Poof. |
| 18:03.09 | DWSR | Look like I had shot the nuke launcher. |
| 18:05.23 | foxlit | DWSR: I haven't yet found an enemy which pull+warp does not just destroy |
| 18:05.32 | foxlit | You either can't pull, or warp will kill it. |
| 18:05.34 | DWSR | foxlit: You haven't played it on Hardcore or Vet, I imagine. |
| 18:05.43 | foxlit | finished Vet. |
| 18:05.46 | DWSR | s/Vet/Insane/ |
| 18:06.10 | foxlit | moving the goal posts, that! |
| 18:06.44 | DWSR | heh. |
| 18:06.49 | DWSR | yeah, Vet wasn't too bad. |
| 18:06.52 | DWSR | Hardcore's fucking rediculous. |
| 18:07.05 | foxlit | Actually, I suspect it's the weapon upgrades. |
| 18:07.13 | Adys | Anyone knows a good js compression service or program that doesnt require java? |
| 18:07.19 | foxlit | You lose them, and things are zomgwhywontitdieyet? |
| 18:08.17 | ZorbaTHut | if you replay the game, do you have to go through and do all the planet mining again? |
| 18:08.20 | foxlit | Also had a second go at Zaeed's mission. |
| 18:08.26 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: yes. Less, but yes. |
| 18:08.32 | ZorbaTHut | ffff |
| 18:08.40 | ZorbaTHut | yeah that's pretty much not gonna happen |
| 18:08.54 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yes. |
| 18:09.07 | foxlit | It wasn't actually that bad, which confirms my suspicions that their design is completely horrible there. |
| 18:09.08 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: You start with 50k of every mineral and all of the heavy weapons that you researched, but yes. |
| 18:09.15 | DWSR | foxlit: Yeah. |
| 18:09.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (~funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 18:09.22 | cbreak | Adys: libz? |
| 18:09.35 | ZorbaTHut | it's kind of a fun minigame, but I want an upgrade that just shows me where the minerals are |
| 18:09.50 | ZorbaTHut | something accessible in newgame+ |
| 18:09.54 | foxlit | [also annoying: the thing requires a full paragon bar, and has no opportunity to recheck later] |
| 18:10.37 | ZorbaTHut | I actually managed to one-shot almost everyone's mission, which I was happy about (besides Samara) |
| 18:10.56 | Kraps | how many draenei shammys in here will buy a race change to dwarves in cata? |
| 18:11.26 | Lopeppeppy | I want to be a gnome priestess. BADLY. |
| 18:11.45 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Play it on Hardcore, kthx. |
| 18:11.50 | ZorbaTHut | who doesn't want to be a gnome priestess |
| 18:11.55 | Dagmar | Clearly Azeroth needs more doorstops |
| 18:12.20 | alestane | cbreak: It compiles as a separate C++ .dylib project... |
| 18:12.42 | alestane | If I just try to build a Lua .dylib. |
| 18:12.43 | cbreak | :O |
| 18:12.47 | cbreak | that's bad |
| 18:12.48 | Lopeppeppy | I've always said that when gnomes got a healer, I'd play it. |
| 18:12.53 | Kraps | dwarf shammys would be more awesome lorewise and... awesomewise |
| 18:13.09 | Dagmar | Surely you jest |
| 18:13.12 | cbreak | alestane: libraries should not be C++ |
| 18:13.19 | alestane | Well, I told it to. |
| 18:13.27 | Kraps | Dagmar: no |
| 18:13.33 | cbreak | I didn't know you'd make a library |
| 18:13.36 | alestane | I said, "Make me a new project for a C++ dynamic library." |
| 18:13.38 | cbreak | I thought you wanted to make an application |
| 18:13.46 | Dagmar | I don't get the lore connection at all |
| 18:13.56 | alestane | I do want an application. |
| 18:14.21 | alestane | But my application won't compile Lua. So I made a new project to make a library and see if it would compile. |
| 18:14.28 | alestane | Just Lua. |
| 18:14.29 | cbreak | hmm :/ |
| 18:14.42 | cbreak | I did put the lua sources directly into my project |
| 18:14.47 | Dagmar | The only forests a dwarf is generally interested in either a) contain loot, b) have trees with alcoholic sap, or c) are sitting atop a ruin of some sort |
| 18:14.47 | alestane | And it does, with zero source modifications. |
| 18:15.06 | alestane | But when I put the Lua source straight into my project, I have scoping issues. |
| 18:15.06 | cbreak | Lua compiles as C and C++ without many changes. |
| 18:15.17 | alestane | So I am missing something somewhere. |
| 18:15.22 | ZorbaTHut | alestane, including lua.hpp? |
| 18:15.25 | Lopeppeppy | Those ruins could be very shamanistic! |
| 18:15.25 | theorbtwo | Of course, they have a deep connection with the earth... just not those pesky things growing on top of it. |
| 18:15.33 | alestane | ZorbaTHut: Nope. |
| 18:15.39 | cbreak | where do you get the errors alestane? |
| 18:15.45 | ZorbaTHut | well, that's the standard way of embedding it |
| 18:15.47 | alestane | I told it to compile all files as C++ |
| 18:15.49 | cbreak | (when compiling lua directly in your app) |
| 18:15.51 | ZorbaTHut | include lua.hpp, build lua as C files |
| 18:15.56 | alestane | cbreak: I get them at link time. |
| 18:15.57 | Kraps | Dagmar: dwarves, earth, of the earth |
| 18:16.07 | Dagmar | More like under the earth |
| 18:16.09 | Ginji | Dagmar: don't forget the quest for their origins |
| 18:16.13 | DWSR | Oh |
| 18:16.15 | Lopeppeppy | Earthen, big giants. |
| 18:16.20 | Kraps | same difference |
| 18:16.22 | cbreak | compiling as C++ makes lua use throw/catch instead of jumps |
| 18:16.35 | DWSR | Dagmar: Apparently starting with an imported character is a really bad idea for Hardcore and Insanity because enemies scale with your level. |
| 18:16.35 | cbreak | which apparently has advantages when embedding into a C++ project |
| 18:16.41 | alestane | Oh, but I get them in the Lua source. |
| 18:16.42 | Dagmar | Only those crazy blue dwarves build free-standing structures |
| 18:16.45 | cbreak | anyway, show some code :) |
| 18:16.49 | cbreak | ... that's weird |
| 18:16.59 | cbreak | are you sure you compile all lua files as C++? |
| 18:17.11 | alestane | Let me try your way. |
| 18:17.30 | alestane | Let me try tagging all the lua source files as C++ instead of using the blanket option. |
| 18:18.04 | alestane | (first error right now is in lcode.c, 'luai_numadd' was not declared in this scope. |
| 18:18.11 | Kraps | Dagmar: also the screenshot/art of dwarf shammy they showed at blizzcon was wtfawesome :/ |
| 18:18.22 | foxlit | DWSR: But so do your powers? |
| 18:18.25 | Dagmar | I just don't see it |
| 18:18.33 | DWSR | foxlit: No. |
| 18:18.37 | Dagmar | A dwarf geomancer, I could see. |
| 18:18.40 | foxlit | Unless your powers are guns, in which case, tough luck! |
| 18:18.48 | DWSR | foxlit: Your powers don't scale. |
| 18:18.56 | foxlit | You get to keep your previous points |
| 18:18.56 | alestane | cbreak: There's a space for "additional compiler flags", is that what you were talking about specifying? |
| 18:19.07 | Lopeppeppy | Geomancy by another name is shamanism. :) |
| 18:19.07 | foxlit | [You might even get a free respec!] |
| 18:19.15 | DWSR | foxlit: You don't. |
| 18:19.32 | DWSR | foxlit: No matter what class you are, you have no upgrades in the start of an NG+ hardcore or insanity playthrough. |
| 18:19.35 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Err... no. |
| 18:19.42 | Dagmar | I beg to differ, _strongly_ there |
| 18:19.56 | Lopeppeppy | If you simplify it for a freakin' game system. *rolls eyes* |
| 18:19.56 | DWSR | foxlit: Which means that your powers suck until you go out on a mining expedition and get all of the upgrades. |
| 18:20.07 | foxlit | Meh, upgrades |
| 18:20.11 | Dagmar | Yeah but that's pretty heavily simplifying |
| 18:20.18 | foxlit | You have skill points, dammit. That's what I mean. |
| 18:20.21 | Lopeppeppy | It's a GAME, suspension of disbelief. |
| 18:20.22 | foxlit | A level 1 would not. |
| 18:20.45 | Dagmar | That's somehwat on the order of saying a chemist is a mathematician tho |
| 18:21.04 | alestane | Shamans in WoW are already not what religious scholars describe as shamans. |
| 18:21.30 | DWSR | foxlit: Yeah, but it doesn't matter because you have no power damage/duration upgrades. |
| 18:21.40 | Dagmar | Now, a dwarf geomancer... That would work out, IMHO |
| 18:21.43 | DWSR | foxlit: I get all my guns too, but no upgrades for their damage or accuracy or ArP. |
| 18:22.04 | foxlit | How much bearing those upgrades have depends on what they're upgrading, really. |
| 18:22.15 | Ginji | WTF foobar2000 for linux |
| 18:22.18 | Ginji | WTB even |
| 18:22.51 | Zyonin | I know the feeling Ginji. Foobar2000 is one of the few windows programs that I miss |
| 18:23.13 | DWSR | Ginji: I know. |
| 18:23.58 | Ginji | I just need a player that doesn't try to be smart |
| 18:24.06 | Ginji | and categorize all my music |
| 18:24.09 | Ginji | I can do that myself |
| 18:24.17 | Ginji | I use my filesystem for that |
| 18:24.18 | theorbtwo | mpc + gmpc, perhaps. |
| 18:24.21 | DWSR | foxlit: I've noticed that Reave + Pull + warpsplosion is disgusting. |
| 18:24.23 | Zyonin | Audacious is pretty good for a basic player |
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| 18:24.49 | foxlit | I play with Barrier. |
| 18:24.50 | Zyonin | It will allow you save m3u playlist, something most other Linux audio players don't |
| 18:24.55 | Shirik | cranbooooooooooo |
| 18:25.10 | Shirik | oh hi Zyonin |
| 18:25.12 | Zyonin | Audacious is a fork of XMMS 2 but just focused on being a player |
| 18:25.16 | Zyonin | Greetings Shirik |
| 18:26.07 | lebqzz | just asking for possibility. |
| 18:26.09 | Ginji | I don't use playlists |
| 18:26.19 | lebqzz | is it possible for an addon to go t the internet and pick up information? |
| 18:26.30 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 18:26.30 | Zyonin | No lebqzz, not in real time |
| 18:26.36 | theorbtwo | No. |
| 18:26.36 | lebqzz | hmm |
| 18:26.46 | Lopeppeppy | Nope! |
| 18:26.51 | lebqzz | wanna make an addon for a realm here that are spammed with free migrate |
| 18:26.52 | Ginji | And with good reason! |
| 18:26.52 | Zyonin | WoW runs in a sandboxed enviroment. |
| 18:27.14 | lebqzz | so make an official list. and it updates via list from site ;P |
| 18:27.39 | theorbtwo | You need to either have a great big database shipped with you (questhelper), or figure it out yourself. (Most gathering profession addons.) |
| 18:27.39 | Lopeppeppy | You can do that, just not in real-time. You can grab a list before you go into WoW, and offer it out while you're in WoW. |
| 18:27.42 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/11/12679928955-pvp-prott.html |
| 18:27.43 | Zyonin | If you don't need real time updates, you can used saved variable lua files |
| 18:27.52 | Kraps | Look, it's really not that difficult. Please don't post threads like this. |
| 18:27.54 | Kraps | Ever. |
| 18:27.56 | Kraps | Mmkay? |
| 18:28.30 | Ginji | Indeed |
| 18:28.54 | Zyonin | Ouch, Slorkuz delivered a nice smack down |
| 18:28.56 | Ginji | Though resto druids are annoying as hell in pvp |
| 18:29.24 | Zyonin | Well Resto druids have always been a pain to try and kill, except in the Classic days when they were a free kill |
| 18:29.30 | Ginji | :D |
| 18:29.53 | DWSR | Zyonin: Really, they're not that bad. |
| 18:30.00 | DWSR | Zyonin: You just banish/fear cycle them. |
| 18:30.11 | Ginji | And how will that end up with them being dead? |
| 18:30.30 | DWSR | Ginji: They die from boredom? |
| 18:30.33 | Ginji | Ah |
| 18:30.56 | Ginji | WSG with two+ resto druids if made of fail |
| 18:31.01 | Zyonin | OK, playing as a Druid, I have never died of boredom. Usually it takes a crew to bring me down, or me making a dumb mistake |
| 18:31.03 | Ginji | s/if/is/ |
| 18:31.32 | DWSR | Zyonin: Playing against many resto druids, it usually takes only me and one other person two bring them down. |
| 18:31.39 | DWSR | Zyonin: Gogo MS + Banish for lifebloom. |
| 18:32.17 | alestane | cbreak: included the dylib I built from the other project, lua.h/lauxlib.h and lualib.h and it build. |
| 18:32.21 | alestane | builds* |
| 18:32.26 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFLqS1Hu1nY |
| 18:32.56 | nevcairiel | DWSR: you can't exactly kill us with banishing |
| 18:33.08 | Zyonin | Well if a resto Druid is smart, he/she welds themselves to a Warrior, Paladin or other class and keeps the other class alive |
| 18:33.21 | DWSR | Zyonin: It's hard to do when you're CC locked. |
| 18:33.27 | DWSR | It's won me many a 2s match. |
| 18:33.54 | nevcairiel | 2s are no competition, its just luck on setup |
| 18:34.39 | DWSR | Zyonin: Also, the PvP healing nerf has made resto druids a lot less overpowered. |
| 18:34.46 | DWSR | I can now actually burn down through hots. |
| 18:35.38 | cbreak | alestane: when I right click on a file in XCode, i can select the Type |
| 18:35.56 | alestane | cbreak: Yes, I found that. Didn't fix anything. |
| 18:36.12 | cbreak | it's probably sourcecode.c.c for you. I'd switch it to sourcecode.cpp.cpp |
| 18:36.14 | cbreak | hmm |
| 18:36.24 | alestane | Building Lua as a separate C++ library seems to have addressed the problem. |
| 18:36.30 | Kraps | i think i want to make a dk tank |
| 18:36.31 | DWSR | http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/128/index/1004773/1#1005634 <-- Cracked out Superman. |
| 18:36.36 | cbreak | C++ libraries are evil :/ |
| 18:36.48 | alestane | Yes, but it works. |
| 18:36.54 | ZorbaTHut | C++ libraries are fine as long as you know what you're doing with 'em |
| 18:36.55 | Kraps | but i need to level my shammy first |
| 18:37.06 | alestane | Not planning on redistributing it for separate use anyway. |
| 18:37.11 | cbreak | wonder why it doesn't work for you like I do it |
| 18:37.55 | Amarande | C++ in general is evil. It's a reason I <3 Linux coding much more than Windows. |
| 18:37.56 | alestane | Maybe because the project wasn't originally built as a C++ project, so some options are different. Maybe I'll try and fix it later. Right now I want it to wrok. |
| 18:38.10 | cog|work | Shirik: ^^^ |
| 18:38.11 | Amarande | In Linux, you use plain C and get away with it. In Windows, you're virtually gun to your headed into using C++. |
| 18:38.16 | Legorol | How do you get the Interface Addon Kit to extract the UI for the PTR client nowadays? |
| 18:38.21 | cog|work | <3 C++ imo |
| 18:38.23 | Shirik | Amarande, shall I ban you now or later |
| 18:38.26 | Legorol | (yes, i know i could use an MPQ extractor) |
| 18:38.31 | zenzelezz | Amarande: why is that now? |
| 18:38.41 | cog|work | It could stand a bit of syntactic cleanup, but it's a great language |
| 18:38.50 | Shirik | also, what does C++ have to do with Windows vs Linux? |
| 18:38.51 | Amarande | zenzelezz, because Windows dev stuff is heavily oriented towards C++ and the OS libraries are all built around it as well? |
| 18:38.55 | Shirik | Windows is C or .NET |
| 18:39.01 | Amarande | while Linux stuff is mainly coded in plain C |
| 18:39.02 | Shirik | unless you count MFC which nobody seriously uses |
| 18:39.07 | zenzelezz | Amarande: uhm... no? |
| 18:39.09 | Shirik | Uh... no |
| 18:39.12 | zenzelezz | Windows API is C |
| 18:39.15 | DWSR | ^ |
| 18:39.15 | cog|work | The win32 api is C |
| 18:39.22 | cog|work | The cog|work api is slow |
| 18:39.24 | Shirik | Every windows API is like a structure with 5 million things, 4 million of which are "reserved" or "unused" |
| 18:39.31 | Amarande | weird, but they promote their compiler as "Visual C++" not "Visual C" |
| 18:39.36 | Amarande | or "Visual Studio .NET" *dies* |
| 18:39.43 | Amarande | .NET is evil black magic |
| 18:39.46 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 18:39.54 | Kraps | http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart1.html |
| 18:39.58 | zenzelezz | Visual Studio .NET doesn't mean you have to use .NET |
| 18:39.59 | nevcairiel | because saying Visual C/C++ is just longer for no reason :p |
| 18:40.04 | ZorbaTHut | that's because nobody sane uses C for anything except low-level APIs :P |
| 18:40.13 | cog|work | it's only evil black magic 'cause it's so popular ;) |
| 18:40.15 | Amarande | Zorba: in the open source world, C still rules the roost |
| 18:40.24 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I don't see this as a contradiction of any sort |
| 18:40.28 | cog|work | (and 'cause it's MS) |
| 18:40.28 | Amarande | I'm trying to think which big open source projects are based in C++ instead |
| 18:40.31 | cbreak | Kraps: 2 years old |
| 18:40.36 | zenzelezz | KDE? |
| 18:40.43 | cog|work | ^ |
| 18:40.45 | cog|work | Qt |
| 18:40.47 | ZorbaTHut | I believe LLVM/Clang are written in C++ |
| 18:40.49 | Amarande | ahh, that probably explains why I don't see C++ much on my boxen |
| 18:40.50 | Shirik | it doesn't matter. I predict in 20ish years we're going to start seeing graphical programming languages pick up, and people will be calling those "evil black magic" too |
| 18:40.52 | Kraps | cbreak: only 2 years old |
| 18:40.57 | DWSR | Realms are up |
| 18:41.01 | Amarande | I've been preferentially a Gnome user for years |
| 18:41.17 | cog|work | use me, baby |
| 18:41.19 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, I doubt it. people have been predicting those ever since programming languages showed up |
| 18:41.21 | cbreak | Qt is C++, and it's very nice. |
| 18:41.25 | ZorbaTHut | I simply don't believe they're practical. |
| 18:41.40 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut, considering the amount of work I'm doing with them now, I not only believe they're practical, I believe they're already beginning to pickup |
| 18:41.41 | cog|work | F# is hawt |
| 18:42.08 | Amarande | although I'm not sure it all matters in the end |
| 18:42.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Tepel (~tepel@cc1040670-a.gorre1.fr.home.nl) |
| 18:42.13 | Shirik | And I'm not talking about some academic environment |
| 18:42.15 | nevcairiel | Qt has too much blackbox magic for me |
| 18:42.23 | Amarande | thanks to things like DRM and Silverlight, we'll probably all be shoved back to Windows eventually if we want to browse the web comfortably *sigh* |
| 18:42.36 | Tepel | moonlight! |
| 18:42.39 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I highly doubt it. their boat has already sailed for that |
| 18:42.49 | ZorbaTHut | osx, iphone, and android are too popular |
| 18:42.57 | Amarande | plus the fact that Linux still lacks even a stable Flash 10 plugin |
| 18:42.57 | Shirik | Amarande: And how is that any different from now "You must view this page in IE lololol" |
| 18:42.58 | Tepel | and DRM will fail |
| 18:43.08 | Amarande | Shirik: I haven't seen that in a while |
| 18:43.11 | haste | Amarande: <insert OS> lacks a stable Flash 10 plugin |
| 18:43.17 | theorbtwo | UML, really, is the hope that graphical programming languages will catch on. |
| 18:43.18 | Shirik | I admit it's not happening as much as it used to |
| 18:43.24 | theorbtwo | ...but nobody *likes* UML. |
| 18:43.27 | ZorbaTHut | maybe if MS and Apple and Google decided to work together to form a joint monopoly . . . but I really, really don't see that ever happening :) |
| 18:43.29 | Amarande | the worst cases I've seen are on Debian, where you have to edit the user agent strings in iceweasel to use some sites |
| 18:43.29 | Shirik | UML is neither a graphical programming language nor sufficiently formal |
| 18:43.32 | nevcairiel | DRM won't fail because every media company is interested in using it |
| 18:43.34 | Amarande | because it otherwise thinks you have Netscape 5.0 |
| 18:43.42 | Shirik | furthermore, 90% of people that say they know UML don't know UML, they only know class diagrams |
| 18:43.51 | Shirik | which is quite possibly one of the most useless diagrams in UML |
| 18:43.57 | Shirik | it's useful, don't get mey wrong, but it's also one of the least powerful |
| 18:44.40 | Tepel | I thought use case diagrams were the least powerful |
| 18:44.44 | Shirik | AADL is quite amazing, but I doubt it will catch on except in the real-time world |
| 18:44.56 | Shirik | Tepel: If you were a business man you would know that's not true |
| 18:45.07 | Tepel | I'm a programmer :P |
| 18:45.08 | Shirik | I expect a lot to shift to SysML |
| 18:45.16 | Tepel | well, more of a code monkey now really |
| 18:45.59 | theorbtwo | uml isn't a graphical programming language... yet. |
| 18:46.04 | theorbtwo | uml++ could easily be. |
| 18:46.29 | theorbtwo | (Take with a one meter cube of salt; I don't actually know uml.) |
| 18:46.30 | alestane | "Previous frame inner to this frame" WTF? |
| 18:46.50 | alestane | Okay, maybe the dynamic library doesn't work either. |
| 18:46.50 | cbreak | hmm? :) |
| 18:47.06 | nevcairiel | sounds like stack corruption |
| 18:47.06 | theorbtwo | {{this} from_here} |
| 18:47.07 | Amarande | yeah, the day MS and Apple work together is the day Thrall and Wrynn work out their differences :) |
| 18:47.23 | alestane | It builds, but when I debug I get an error from the debugger before it even reaches the beginning of main. |
| 18:47.24 | cbreak | Apple and MS worked together few times |
| 18:47.32 | cbreak | I think it's better when they don't |
| 18:48.02 | Shirik | alestane: I bet I know what it is |
| 18:48.07 | Shirik | you have a variable on the stack that is way too big |
| 18:48.18 | Shirik | like a very large array |
| 18:48.21 | theorbtwo | MS will quietly prop up apple when it is faltering as monopoly lawsuit insurance. |
| 18:48.38 | Shirik | check your main() variables, make sure you have no huge arrays there |
| 18:48.43 | alestane | It says "Error from Debugger: Previous frame inner to this frame (gdb could not unwind past this frame)" |
| 18:48.53 | Shirik | if you need a huge array, do "new foo[840923409284]" |
| 18:49.11 | alestane | I have two main() variables, a lua_State* and an unsigned int. |
| 18:49.25 | alestane | Actually, I think it's signed, not like that matters. |
| 18:49.28 | Shirik | hm |
| 18:49.36 | Shirik | you need some valgrinds up in this joint |
| 18:49.56 | theorbtwo | Yeah, valgrinding seems like a good idea to me. |
| 18:50.05 | cbreak | or... code inspection |
| 18:50.09 | haste | debian agrees! |
| 18:50.23 | alestane | I suspect it's an issue linking the .dylib to the rest of the application, could try rebuilding it as a static library. |
| 18:50.37 | Shirik | one thing I've learned about C++ |
| 18:50.47 | Shirik | don't try to speculate when you have tools that can do the job for you :) |
| 18:50.56 | alestane | Which tools are these? |
| 18:51.00 | Shirik | This is especially true of optimization, but also true of crashes |
| 18:51.02 | Shirik | valgrind :) |
| 18:51.06 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
| 18:51.08 | alestane | Does it work with Xcode? |
| 18:52.18 | Shirik | it's a command line utility, and I don't know if they have a mac distribution or not |
| 18:52.18 | cbreak | I haven't seen valgrind work on OS X yet |
| 18:52.18 | cbreak | not that I've looked much |
| 18:52.18 | alestane | Well, it says it works with OS X. |
| 18:52.18 | Shirik | I have to run |
| 18:52.18 | Shirik | good luck though! |
| 18:52.18 | alestane | And how long will it take me to learn to use it? |
| 18:52.18 | Amarande | I used to like Apple, before they invented things like closed platform OS, and worst of all hash72 |
| 18:52.24 | cbreak | uhm |
| 18:52.26 | Amarande | hash72 was a smart move, mind you ... it was also evil as all hell |
| 18:52.32 | cbreak | apple didn't invent closed platform OS |
| 18:52.41 | cbreak | there were closed platform OSes before there were personal computers |
| 18:52.49 | theorbtwo | hash72? |
| 18:52.57 | Amarande | theorbtwo: the new database protection scheme on ipods |
| 18:53.05 | theorbtwo | Ah. |
| 18:53.07 | Amarande | see, at some point, they decided that they wanted more aggressive lockin to itunes |
| 18:53.29 | Amarande | so they put in a hashing thing into the iTunesDB so that the iPod would not recognize it unless it had a hash value written to it (that at the time only itunes knew how to do) |
| 18:53.35 | Amarande | this first hash was called hash58, and people figured it out |
| 18:53.40 | Amarande | so they made a new hash, called hash72 now. |
| 18:53.44 | Amarande | here's where it gets evil, though |
| 18:54.06 | Amarande | they actually deliberately decided to base hash72 on the algorithms they also used in FairPlay DRM |
| 18:54.23 | Amarande | ... so that any open project to reverse engineer it, of course, can be shut down via DMCA as an attack on FairPlay |
| 18:54.31 | theorbtwo | Slick. |
| 18:54.41 | cbreak | be outside of the US |
| 18:54.46 | cbreak | DMCA doesn't apply here |
| 18:54.52 | Amarande | apparently FOSS has found some sort of way around that, but it's not exactly simple |
| 18:55.12 | theorbtwo | cbreak: Unless the US decides to extridite you, or just nab you while visiting. |
| 18:55.19 | Amarande | basically they take an existing hash72 and reverse calculate it, but that's only an ad hoc solution that only works for the specific device they grabbed the hash sample from |
| 18:55.29 | cbreak | why would anyone visit the US? |
| 18:55.39 | Amarande | at least that's what the gtkpod docs say |
| 18:55.47 | Amarande | cbreak: Dragon Con? |
| 18:56.00 | cbreak | No data |
| 18:56.05 | Lopeppeppy | To see me! |
| 18:56.28 | nevcairiel | only in international waters, sorry |
| 18:56.35 | Amarande | Remember, according to the RIAA, the entire world economic disaster has to do with music downloads! |
| 18:56.42 | Amarande | It has NOTHING to do with mortgages and idiot investors therein |
| 18:56.55 | zenzelezz | peppy's right |
| 18:57.21 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Visiting the US is broadening. If only so you can learn to buy coke and guns illegally. |
| 18:57.23 | cbreak | Recently read manga "National Quiz". |
| 18:57.36 | zenzelezz | I think the entire economic disaster is because of the SCO and Jack Thompson trials |
| 18:57.39 | cbreak | realized: we're still quite good off in our world |
| 18:58.29 | amro | Lunessa: guns are illegal now? |
| 18:58.41 | Lunessa | I think it's all because people decided to "spend today and the future can go fuck itself" |
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| 18:58.51 | amro | with the exception of Washington "you don't have any rights" D.C. |
| 18:59.06 | Lunessa | amro: No. But there are legal constraints on the purchase, ownership and carrying of them. |
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| 18:59.31 | theorbtwo | Somehow, people started to believe that we were the good guys, and that FailureIsNotAnOption and DesignatedHero apply. |
| 18:59.35 | alestane | JESUS H CHRIST I DON'T **WANT** TO USE ANY PCH FILES!!!! |
| 19:00.00 | amro | alestane: doesn't the gcc toolchain work on os x? |
| 19:00.02 | theorbtwo | It will all work out in the end, and nothing we do is wrong, because we are the good guys. |
| 19:00.06 | theorbtwo | God bless America! |
| 19:00.16 | alestane | amro: Xcode uses it extensively, in fact. |
| 19:00.21 | amro | God blesse America* |
| 19:00.27 | ZorbaTHut | amro, it does, but the minuetae involved in making a working osx executable isn't particularly well-documented |
| 19:00.35 | ZorbaTHut | and most people just rely on xcode |
| 19:00.41 | cbreak | apple ships a modded gcc |
| 19:00.53 | amro | I was thinking of using cmake to generate the makefiles |
| 19:01.04 | amro | it can probably generate xcode files come to think of it |
| 19:01.15 | nevcairiel | cmake has generators for everything |
| 19:02.33 | cbreak | amro: it creates makefiles on OS X too |
| 19:02.35 | cbreak | but they work |
| 19:02.44 | cbreak | not had problems with that |
| 19:02.48 | amro | alestane: try cmake then |
| 19:02.49 | cbreak | qmake can create xcode projects |
| 19:03.03 | cbreak | but alestane's problems are NOT xcode |
| 19:03.12 | amro | wasn't it a linker issue? |
| 19:03.20 | cbreak | exactly |
| 19:03.20 | amro | I have no problems compiling lua into my app |
| 19:03.28 | cbreak | xcode uses gcc to link |
| 19:03.32 | alestane | cbreak: I threw the project out and moved the source into a new C++ project to see if that makes a difference. |
| 19:03.35 | cbreak | I have no problems either |
| 19:03.38 | cbreak | and I use XCode... |
| 19:03.39 | amro | it could be xcode using some weird linkage flags |
| 19:04.48 | cbreak | it doesn't |
| 19:05.35 | alestane | DAMN SKIPPY THE FILE DOESN'T EXIST, HOW DO I TELL YOU I DELETED IT! |
| 19:06.15 | alestane | ...I might need to take a walk. |
| 19:06.27 | cbreak | which file? |
| 19:06.42 | alestane | the premade .pch file it created when I made the new project. |
| 19:06.54 | cbreak | you shouldn't delete it |
| 19:07.07 | cbreak | if you do, you should also remove the references in the build settings to it |
| 19:07.47 | alestane | And I've been trying. |
| 19:09.44 | Lopeppeppy | take a walk before the snow gets there, alestane. |
| 19:11.49 | alestane | There we go, a reference that was blank before has mysteriously filled itself in. *delete* |
| 19:12.03 | alestane | Hey look, it now compiles Lua without any problems. |
| 19:12.45 | cbreak | alestane: there are settings for debug and release build, which are separate |
| 19:12.49 | Amarande | theorbtwo, did you just link TV Tropes? |
| 19:12.52 | cbreak | you might have to remove it from both |
| 19:13.16 | theorbtwo | Only by implication. |
| 19:13.24 | theorbtwo | ...because I'm too lazy to do it directly. |
| 19:13.41 | alestane | It still dies, but with a comprehensible error this time. |
| 19:14.08 | alestane | A problem in the Lua I was feeding it, not a code issue. |
| 19:15.54 | alestane | cbreak: While I've got you here...I want to copy a set of files (.lua and image files and other stuff) into the Resources directory of the new application, preserving their directory structure. How can I explain that to Xcode? |
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| 19:16.07 | DWSR | Do rogues automatically have the ability to use bows? |
| 19:16.13 | cbreak | hmm. I never did that. |
| 19:16.15 | theorbtwo | Huh. Turns out that FailureIsNotAnOption isn't actually a tvtrope. |
| 19:16.20 | Lopeppeppy | ... can't remember, DWSR. |
| 19:16.23 | cbreak | there's a copy phase which you might be able to use |
| 19:16.23 | Fisker | OMG MY ACCOUNT IS BEING SUSPENDEEEEEED |
| 19:16.26 | alestane | It copies stuff from the folder as part of Copy Bundle Resources, but it copies it all to the top level of Contents/Resources. |
| 19:16.27 | haste | DWSR: wowwiki knows |
| 19:16.37 | Fisker | haaaaalp haste |
| 19:16.43 | haste | Fisker: lol wut? |
| 19:16.55 | cbreak | hmm. |
| 19:17.06 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, I think it depends on your race. |
| 19:17.07 | cbreak | custom script build phase? :) |
| 19:17.08 | Fisker | it's like "I'm getting a 3 hour suspension" |
| 19:17.26 | haste | Fisker: did you troll the forum too hard again? |
| 19:17.28 | Seerah | DWSR: http://www.wowwiki.com/Weapon_proficiency#Weapons |
| 19:17.29 | Fisker | but all i have to do to avoid is confirm my account details on this world of warcraft site! |
| 19:17.31 | alestane | Or I can use a Copy Files build phase, but it doesn't seem to take groups, only individual files. |
| 19:17.32 | Fisker | it's totally legit |
| 19:17.43 | haste | lol |
| 19:17.48 | Fisker | And if i were a hacker who had taken control over my account i wouldn't know my accountname and password obviously |
| 19:18.05 | Fisker | because people who have your login details, don't know your login details |
| 19:18.06 | Fisker | amirite? |
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| 19:18.51 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, you're weird. |
| 19:19.26 | Kraps | people on the cata forum are worried about world pvp with flying mounts |
| 19:19.38 | DWSR | ....? |
| 19:19.42 | olafski | haven't people worried about that since tbc? |
| 19:19.51 | DWSR | you mean they're not worried about current pvp? |
| 19:20.16 | Lopeppeppy | No, they'd rather worry about the Ghosts of PVP Future. |
| 19:20.48 | Fisker | am not |
| 19:21.16 | DWSR | well |
| 19:21.29 | DWSR | I guess Cata PvP would be different, seeing as how lowbie areas are involved. |
| 19:21.40 | DWSR | In xpac areas, the guards are all suitably leveled. |
| 19:21.59 | Kraps | air defense in capital cities? |
| 19:22.10 | DWSR | yeah, that's the other thing. |
| 19:22.15 | DWSR | Obviously they'll have to adjust it. |
| 19:22.15 | *** part/#wowuidev Thaoky (Thaoky@91.181.41.182) |
| 19:22.19 | DWSR | Especailly Stormwind. |
| 19:22.24 | DWSR | There's no fucking guards there already. |
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| 19:22.33 | foxlit | Meh, I can imagine them just porting you the heck out of there. |
| 19:22.40 | foxlit | Sunreaver style |
| 19:22.42 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: http://www.fukung.net/images/25503/d60c50b1c58fdee328602b2badd75bda.jpg I'm going to hell for that |
| 19:22.52 | DWSR | But how am I going to get my achievements then foxlit? |
| 19:22.55 | Lunessa | Holy crap, he's eating the last few now. 50 goddamned nuggets |
| 19:23.00 | foxlit | DWSR: On foot. |
| 19:23.12 | DWSR | ah, I see what you're saying. heh. |
| 19:23.16 | Fisker | shit nuggets Lunessa ? |
| 19:23.20 | DWSR | Lunessa: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 19:23.24 | DWSR | Fisker: Gold nuggets. |
| 19:23.31 | Fisker | :3 |
| 19:23.37 | Lunessa | I bought a 50 pack of Chicken McNuggets and dared my office mate to eat them all. |
| 19:23.47 | Fisker | it isn't you Ackis |
| 19:23.56 | DWSR | Lunessa: What. the. fuck? |
| 19:23.57 | Ackis | Lunessa: they didn't have them here :( |
| 19:24.00 | DWSR | They *make* 50 packs? |
| 19:24.06 | Fisker | it's a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake |
| 19:24.13 | Lunessa | Yeah. 50 pack. |
| 19:24.16 | Ackis | Fisker: it's FUNNY |
| 19:24.22 | Fisker | faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake |
| 19:24.28 | Seerah | the largest I've ever seen was 20 |
| 19:24.38 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:24.58 | Ackis | Seerah: they just came out with them |
| 19:25.01 | DWSR | Does anyone know of a colour chooser addon for WoW that allows you to enter hex/RGB values? |
| 19:25.12 | DWSR | Ackis: Maybe in the United States of Obesity. |
| 19:25.27 | Ackis | DWSR: touche |
| 19:25.44 | Seerah | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14345-ColorTools.html |
| 19:25.58 | DWSR | Seerah: Much obliged. |
| 19:26.00 | foxlit | There's a "Order a big mac menu, get another big mac for cheaps!" promotion going around here |
| 19:26.01 | Ackis | that addon's name is spelled wrong |
| 19:26.06 | DWSR | Ackis: Indeed. :) |
| 19:26.14 | Seerah | your name is spelled wrong :p |
| 19:26.23 | DWSR | Seerah: It's supposed to be colour with a u. |
| 19:26.27 | Ackis | foxlit: they have that here I think, after 11pm you get the second for $1 or 1 cent, not sure which |
| 19:26.36 | Seerah | Nah... that was EnhancedColourPicker |
| 19:27.10 | Ackis | got in "trouble" from Curse for writing policy/announcements/etc with proper spelling kekek |
| 19:27.12 | foxlit | I think that adds up to something like 70% of your recommended daily energy intake |
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| 19:27.51 | Ackis | trouble in quotes of course because it was more like lulz |
| 19:28.37 | Ackis | CanadaAckis completed the game The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion |
| 19:28.46 | cbreak | hmm. seems SC2 beta for OS X isn't out yet :( |
| 19:28.46 | cbreak | wonder if they'll allow Lua Addons for that game too |
| 19:30.25 | Fisker | slaps cbreak around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:30.32 | foxlit | cbreak: what would you imagine addons would do in sc2? |
| 19:31.03 | cbreak | make things easier :) |
| 19:31.18 | cbreak | maybe an in-game tetris or what ever |
| 19:31.18 | Lopeppeppy | Same thing they do everywhere else, try to take over the world. |
| 19:31.19 | Lunessa | Proof: http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/Proof%20of%20the%20Deed/ |
| 19:32.03 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy, are you pondering what I'm pondering? |
| 19:32.03 | krka | I think so, Seerah, but isn't a cucumber that small called a gherkin? |
| 19:32.03 | Fisker | racial stereotyping go1 |
| 19:32.04 | Fisker | ! |
| 19:32.13 | Seerah | <3 krka |
| 19:32.17 | foxlit | They won't allow anything that'd give you a competitive advantage |
| 19:32.24 | foxlit | See: their handling of resolution. |
| 19:32.42 | Seerah | Lunessa: I call photoshop! |
| 19:32.43 | Seerah | :) |
| 19:32.54 | Lunessa | I left the EXIF data intact! |
| 19:33.11 | krka | lol |
| 19:33.11 | Kalroth | .. or you added it! |
| 19:33.12 | foxlit | But they did show off custom bits of UI implemented in maps. |
| 19:33.20 | krka | someone actually triggered my script |
| 19:33.33 | Seerah | huggles krka |
| 19:33.52 | krka | it has a fairly specific pattern to match :) |
| 19:34.02 | Seerah | krka, are you pondering what I'm pondering? |
| 19:34.03 | krka | I think so, Seerah, but can the Gummi Worms really live in peace with the Marshmallow Chicks? |
| 19:34.12 | Kalroth | krka: the ex! |
| 19:34.26 | krka | hm? |
| 19:34.36 | Kalroth | I'm looking for the pattern |
| 19:35.01 | krka | good for you |
| 19:35.10 | Kalroth | hm? |
| 19:35.42 | Legorol | krka: what script was triggered? |
| 19:35.49 | krka | Legorol: my pinky script |
| 19:36.26 | krka | /(are|r) (you|u) (pondering|thinking|thinkin) what i.?m (pondering|thinking|thinkin)/i |
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| 19:36.53 | Seerah | my favorite is "I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get a monkey into a tutu?" |
| 19:36.53 | Kalroth | now you have to make a new one |
| 19:36.54 | Legorol | but what's the resulting action? |
| 19:36.58 | krka | try it |
| 19:37.03 | Kalroth | [20:32] <Seerah> Lopeppeppy, are you pondering what I'm pondering? |
| 19:37.03 | Kalroth | [20:32] <krka> I think so, Seerah, but isn't a cucumber that small called a gherkin? |
| 19:37.04 | krka | Yes, Kalroth, but why does the chicken cross the road, huh, if not for love? (sigh) I do not know. |
| 19:37.16 | Kalroth | ^ |
| 19:37.29 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy said "trying to take over the world" right before that :) |
| 19:37.45 | Legorol | Are you thinkin what i'm thinkin? |
| 19:37.45 | krka | I think so, Legorol, but we're already naked. |
| 19:37.52 | Kraps | whats the difference between skills and skillz? |
| 19:37.53 | Legorol | :) |
| 19:38.07 | krka | that was disturbing though |
| 19:38.07 | Seerah | one has e-peen implied |
| 19:38.22 | Kalroth | Kraps: You use skillz when you don't have them. |
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| 19:40.15 | foxlit | fu, LBF. |
| 19:40.30 | foxlit | :SetNormalVertexColor chokes if LBF does not set up a normal texture :( |
| 19:40.33 | Kraps | heres a harder question: why, when someone is told that he sucks at pve he goes batshit on about how great he is at pvp? |
| 19:40.44 | foxlit | More things to pcall. |
| 19:44.45 | alestane | "...You wear nothing, but you wear it so well..." |
| 19:44.45 | alestane | </nonsequitor> |
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| 19:48.51 | Lunessa | alestane: Can she bring home the bacon? Fry it up in a pan? |
| 19:49.13 | Kaelten | ~lart Ackis |
| 19:49.13 | purl | cuts off Ackis's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 19:49.21 | alestane | Maybe, that might be one of the lyrics that doesn't stick in my head...unless you're changing songs on me. |
| 19:53.25 | Lopeppeppy | She acts just like a nurse to all the other guys. |
| 19:55.49 | Kraps | the NY Knicks are full of flail |
| 19:56.26 | Lunessa | alestane: same era, different song. |
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| 20:00.24 | Kraps | hur, the tech who sent this email is named Ahmed. stereotypes are stereotypical |
| 20:01.29 | Ackis | ~lart Kaelten |
| 20:01.29 | purl | eats Kaelten and falls over dead |
| 20:01.31 | Ackis | HAH |
| 20:01.36 | Kaelten | ~lart Ackis |
| 20:01.36 | purl | blasts Ackis to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 20:01.36 | Ackis | 15 minute counter lart! |
| 20:01.55 | Ackis | ~lart Kaelten |
| 20:01.55 | purl | lowers Kaelten's priority |
| 20:01.57 | Kaelten | ~lart Ackis |
| 20:01.57 | purl | holds Ackis to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 20:02.07 | Ackis | lol |
| 20:02.08 | Ackis | ~lart Kaelten |
| 20:02.08 | purl | duct-tapes Kaelten to the floor and drools on him |
| 20:02.11 | Kaelten | ~lart Ackis |
| 20:02.11 | purl | says "boot to the head" and knocks Ackis over |
| 20:02.23 | Ackis | bah! you should've been muted by now! |
| 20:02.35 | Ackis | ~fail EDI |
| 20:02.36 | purl | You suck at everything in life, EDI. I hate you because you fail. |
| 20:02.38 | Kaelten | lol |
| 20:03.48 | Ackis | wtf someone here just tried to give me a baby on board teddy bear |
| 20:04.01 | Lopeppeppy | ... okay. |
| 20:04.16 | Kraps | grats Ackis! |
| 20:04.42 | Ackis | grrr |
| 20:04.48 | Ackis | there is no baby in the oven! |
| 20:05.21 | Lopeppeppy | Good, they make horrible souffle. |
| 20:08.42 | krka | mm... baked baby |
| 20:08.44 | krka | now i'm hungry |
| 20:09.13 | Adys | kick the baby! |
| 20:09.29 | Adys | http://www.translationparty.com/#6655930 |
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| 20:11.05 | Adys | krka: I find it amusing your regex matches r u but not wat. |
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| 20:12.22 | krka | i can't possibly consider all possible spelling errors |
| 20:12.38 | Shadowed | you could, you just might go insane! |
| 20:12.39 | krka | Yes Adys, but if our knees bent the other way, how would we ride a bicycle? |
| 20:12.48 | krka | Yes, I am, Shadowed! |
| 20:13.07 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.translationparty.com/#6655965 Equilibrium found. |
| 20:13.12 | Adys | krka: backwards Id say |
| 20:13.16 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, there's your solution. |
| 20:14.01 | Adys | http://www.translationparty.com/#6655977 |
| 20:14.17 | Lopeppeppy | You can tell I have a fever, everything is damn funny. |
| 20:14.30 | Adys | How's fever funny? |
| 20:14.31 | krka | Well, I think so, Lopeppeppy, but *snort* no, no, it's too stupid! |
| 20:14.57 | Shadowed | Depends if you enjoy the suffering of others Adys |
| 20:15.24 | Adys | Shadowed: I think that the last couple of months speak for themselves |
| 20:15.29 | Shadowed | true |
| 20:15.35 | krka | http://www.translationparty.com/#6655998 |
| 20:15.42 | krka | My bike in the car often, we bend the knee, the other way Yes, I want you Adys you? |
| 20:15.46 | krka | that's just hilarious |
| 20:15.55 | Adys | I want you, krka |
| 20:16.06 | Kalroth | I bike a lot of car, wish Adys Yes, but if our knees bent, the other way? |
| 20:16.27 | Kraps | http://www.translationparty.com/#6655975 |
| 20:16.41 | nevcairiel | isnt translationparty so 2009 already? |
| 20:16.58 | Adys | http://www.translationparty.com/#6656024 |
| 20:17.03 | Adys | I'm in my car, yes, bicycles Kalroth bend our knees, or some other means is necessary? |
| 20:17.17 | Lopeppeppy | Bones is hilarious. |
| 20:17.29 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: http://www.translationparty.com/#6656042 |
| 20:18.16 | Adys | Kalroth: http://www.translationparty.com/#6656058 |
| 20:20.02 | nicoli_s | i love it so much more when you post translationparty links adys |
| 20:20.26 | Kalroth | Adys: http://www.translationparty.com/#6656087 |
| 20:21.08 | Adys | Kalroth: It would seem like my baguette has been compromised |
| 20:21.14 | Kalroth | nods. |
| 20:21.20 | Kalroth | I do apologize. |
| 20:22.17 | Lopeppeppy | Oh no, Adys, I'm sorry about the baguette thing. |
| 20:23.30 | Seerah | Lunessa: new guildie online and added. cog|work's already talking about you :p |
| 20:23.46 | Lunessa | Oh man, I smell trouble in my future. |
| 20:24.09 | foxlit | sigh, Eclipse. How is "Assign to field" supposed to work? |
| 20:24.23 | Lopeppeppy | Oh no, who did we draft? Er... recruit? |
| 20:24.26 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: did you actually compromise my baguette? :( |
| 20:25.20 | foxlit | hey, sc2 beta? |
| 20:25.27 | foxlit | They're just spamming those things out, aren't they? |
| 20:27.01 | Lopeppeppy | Adys, I'd eat it with some fava beans and a nice chianti. |
| 20:27.59 | nevcairiel | why did i read java beans there :( |
| 20:28.14 | Adys | I did too, and I found nothing wrong with it |
| 20:28.28 | krka | i guess assign to field is from a constructor parameter? |
| 20:28.36 | krka | should work just like in intellij |
| 20:28.59 | foxlit | krka: I can't seem to activate it |
| 20:29.03 | foxlit | Click and nothing happens :( |
| 20:29.12 | krka | download intellij instead :) |
| 20:29.38 | foxlit | but but! Eclipse! |
| 20:29.49 | mitchnull | foxlit: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 20:30.16 | foxlit | mitchnull: Nothing in particular. There's just a quick assist option that appears to do nothing. |
| 20:30.23 | DWSR | Does anyone know of an addon that will force override everything that uses LibSharedMedia to use a certain bar texture/background texture? |
| 20:30.27 | foxlit | It'd be happy if it assigned a constructor argument to a new field in the class. |
| 20:31.19 | mitchnull | erm, you can do that in like 10 secs by simply typing it out... |
| 20:31.29 | foxlit | Yes, I can. |
| 20:31.40 | krka | mitchnull: you've clearly not yet seen the benefits of this type of assist :) |
| 20:31.46 | foxlit | But there's an automation option to do that. I want to know why it doesn't work :) |
| 20:31.55 | krka | 10 secs is a long time compared to the intellij way |
| 20:31.58 | mitchnull | I turned off most of the quick assist stuff (actually, more like 90% of it) 'cos it always got in the way |
| 20:32.18 | foxlit | I don't see how. It's a two-stroke keybinding that you won't trigger unless you want to. |
| 20:32.38 | mitchnull | erm, I'm talking about the "auto" stuff |
| 20:32.45 | mitchnull | that happens while you simply type |
| 20:32.58 | foxlit | krka: I'm staring at screenshots, and all I have to say is "urgh, windows font rendering" |
| 20:33.36 | foxlit | [maybe it's not even windows, but it just looks bad :( ] |
| 20:33.48 | Fisker | hey guys |
| 20:34.13 | mitchnull | foxlit: is this some new thing? I can't seem to find it in my eclipse (galileo) |
| 20:34.18 | p3lim | hm, is it possible to combine these two conditions? [group:raid] and [group:party] |
| 20:34.25 | foxlit | mitch0: no. CTRL-2-F |
| 20:34.31 | foxlit | or Apple-2-F |
| 20:34.49 | foxlit | p3lim: [group] |
| 20:35.11 | mitchnull | erm, how the hell did you find it in the first place? :) |
| 20:35.18 | mitchnull | (doesn't do anything here either |
| 20:35.34 | p3lim | foxlit: too easy, thanks |
| 20:37.05 | Kraps | Lunessa: i called dibs on the newbie remember? |
| 20:37.15 | DWSR | Does anyone know of an addon that will force override everything that uses LibSharedMedia to use a certain bar texture/background texture? |
| 20:37.52 | Lunessa | Kraps: have at it. I wish you well. :P |
| 20:39.14 | Kraps | :/ |
| 20:39.58 | foxlit | mitchnull: dunno, I may have been going for -1 and hit -2 instead |
| 20:41.58 | Shirik | I have returned! |
| 20:42.45 | DWSR | The damned return. |
| 20:42.47 | krka | foxlit: you can change fonts and themes in intellij :P |
| 20:42.50 | DWSR | Does anyone know of an addon that will force override everything that uses LibSharedMedia to use a certain bar texture/background texture? |
| 20:43.06 | foxlit | krka: screenshot me something? |
| 20:43.12 | krka | busy at the moment :/ |
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| 20:45.31 | Kraps | Shirik: can you explain the me and EDI thing? |
| 20:45.45 | Shirik | DWSR said it should be called EDI |
| 20:45.48 | Shirik | and so it is |
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| 20:45.55 | DWSR | :D |
| 20:46.06 | Shirik | It's some ME2 thing I dunno |
| 20:46.28 | Sajaki | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_wants_to_be_your_one_true_loginpage22.php#comments |
| 20:46.29 | Kraps | Shirik: YES ITS SOME ME2 THING |
| 20:46.42 | Shirik | oh sorry have I offended your "great game"? |
| 20:47.02 | Kraps | feels blasphemed |
| 20:47.47 | DWSR | Shirik: No. :P |
| 20:47.52 | DWSR | Shirik: Kraps is just being stupid |
| 20:48.07 | Kraps | wat |
| 20:48.14 | Lopeppeppy | When you heard that EDI didn't like his teddy you knew he was a no good kid. |
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| 20:48.48 | Kraps | is not comprehending this convo |
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| 20:49.08 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: It's pronounced ee dee |
| 20:49.22 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 20:50.38 | EDI | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 20:50.47 | DWSR | :D |
| 20:51.00 | Shirik | I hope you appreciate that |
| 20:51.03 | Shirik | that was very difficult to do |
| 20:51.06 | Lopeppeppy | EDI doesn't like his Tee Dee then. |
| 20:51.21 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you Shirik. It does make me feel better, over here on my deathbed. |
| 20:51.26 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:51.42 | Shirik | what happen? |
| 20:51.57 | alestane | Stomach flu. |
| 20:52.04 | Shirik | yuck |
| 20:52.13 | Amarande | dammit newegg gimme my tracking number already |
| 20:52.18 | Lopeppeppy | I've been licking petri dishes again. Stomach flu, a cold coming on, UTI, and some girly stuff. And surgery on Thursday!! |
| 20:52.22 | Ackis | EDI was the AI in ME2 iirc |
| 20:52.30 | Amarande | surgery?? |
| 20:52.39 | Ackis | Shirik: you missed a conversation about the 50 chicken nugget bucket |
| 20:52.46 | DWSR | Ackis: Yes. |
| 20:52.56 | Kraps | EDI is an AI who enjoys platonic symbiosis |
| 20:53.26 | zenzelezz | I totally wanted to see EDI get it on with Legion |
| 20:53.33 | Kraps | lawl |
| 20:53.42 | DWSR | Legion does the robot. |
| 20:53.43 | alestane | Amarande: It's a little surgery. |
| 20:53.46 | DWSR | Have you seen it? |
| 20:53.50 | Shirik | I would love a 50 chicken nugget buket |
| 20:53.54 | Shirik | can I get them? |
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| 20:54.29 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwzoedQ_ZQ8 |
| 20:54.49 | Sajaki | from the roflcopter : http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_wants_to_be_your_one_true_loginpage16.php#comments |
| 20:56.25 | Lopeppeppy | Amarande, hand surgery for the hand that hasn't worked right since September |
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| 20:57.53 | Amarande | ow :( |
| 20:59.57 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:59.58 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 21:00.00 | Fisker | you hate me |
| 21:00.03 | Fisker | we hate eachother |
| 21:00.04 | Shirik | I am extremely busy right now |
| 21:00.08 | Shirik | it is not wise to anger me |
| 21:00.08 | alestane | They're going to snip a little gap in the thumb tendon sheath so the tendon can move without aggravating itself and the swelling will go down. |
| 21:00.13 | Fisker | Not busy enough to not hate me |
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| 21:03.48 | Lopeppeppy | alestane has studied his homework. |
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| 21:05.33 | cbreak | funny. Didn't know Microsoft had the copyright for Rawr |
| 21:08.32 | Fisker | rawr? |
| 21:08.52 | DWSR | rawr. |
| 21:09.26 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
| 21:10.12 | batrick | no u |
| 21:10.20 | Lopeppeppy | But... but... |
| 21:10.23 | Lopeppeppy | *sniff* |
| 21:10.30 | Lopeppeppy | Nobody loves the Peppy. |
| 21:10.42 | batrick | whos dat |
| 21:10.42 | alestane | ...rawr? |
| 21:11.04 | DWSR | recommendations for an LDB display? |
| 21:12.05 | nevcairiel | I'm happy with fortress |
| 21:12.10 | Pneumatus | bazooka |
| 21:14.10 | mikma | ninjapanel |
| 21:14.25 | Kraps | ldb? |
| 21:14.41 | mikma | noob |
| 21:14.42 | mitchnull | dwsr: bazooka :P |
| 21:14.56 | Kraps | mikma: stfu |
| 21:15.06 | mikma | kraps: noob |
| 21:15.06 | DWSR | LibDataBroker |
| 21:15.35 | mikma | now thats one fugly quitmessage |
| 21:15.46 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/163780/ |
| 21:15.49 | Kraps | mikma: nerf LBDs |
| 21:15.57 | mikma | kraps: boost |
| 21:15.58 | Adys | this is the necessary code to properly reverse a location |
| 21:16.02 | Adys | into an area |
| 21:16.02 | Adys | :( |
| 21:16.26 | DWSR | Oh, Fortress is really need. |
| 21:16.36 | DWSR | s/need/neat/ |
| 21:16.44 | DWSR | This is a neat concept. I can has lego! |
| 21:16.48 | nevcairiel | Adys: cant you abstract that somehow? |
| 21:16.58 | Adys | abstract how? |
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| 21:19.18 | mitchnull | dwsr: you can also have more than one LDB dispaly if you wish :) |
| 21:19.33 | nevcairiel | hm nvm, i reas something wrong in there |
| 21:19.38 | nevcairiel | read* |
| 21:20.01 | DWSR | mitchnull: I suppose, but that sort of defeats the purpose of LDB. :) |
| 21:20.32 | mitchnull | how so? |
| 21:21.10 | mitchnull | the only downside is some cpu/mem waste |
| 21:21.14 | DWSR | LDB was meant to make the display of data from different addons unified. |
| 21:21.20 | DWSR | in part, anyway. |
| 21:21.24 | mitchnull | in small part |
| 21:21.37 | mitchnull | actually, I don't even think it ever was a design goal |
| 21:21.52 | nevcairiel | it was meant to decouple the data from the display |
