| 00:00.07 | Lopeppeppy | Da. |
| 00:00.11 | DWSR | It looks like you're missing a word. :P |
| 00:00.13 | Gnarfoz | you just intimidated poor Shirik to confirm that |
| 00:00.37 | Lopeppeppy | I'm shorter than he is, how could I possibly be scary? |
| 00:00.41 | Lopeppeppy | hides the dino-rawr. |
| 00:01.12 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Because you're a woman and there are better ways to coerce men to do things than *just* intimidation? ;) |
| 00:01.26 | DWSR | wins for the use of coerce in a sentence. |
| 00:01.32 | Dagmar | Like cooking a rabbit for dinner. |
| 00:01.41 | DWSR | A whole rabbit. |
| 00:01.52 | cbreak | rabbits are not edible. |
| 00:01.55 | Lopeppeppy | I could do that. I have a stewpot large enough. |
| 00:01.59 | DWSR | Lies. |
| 00:02.03 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy wins |
| 00:02.06 | Dagmar | cbreak: Tell that to my relatives. |
| 00:02.17 | Jerub | mmmbunnypie |
| 00:02.20 | Dagmar | Squirrels and snakes IMHO are not edible, but that doesn't slow 'em down |
| 00:02.20 | Lopeppeppy | Rabbits are edible if you cook 'em right. There's just rarely enough meat on any single rabbit to make it worthwhile, a few of them do best. Or a stew. |
| 00:02.26 | cbreak | Dagmar's Relatives: Rabbits are not edible. |
| 00:02.31 | Jerub | actually, nothing imrpoves mashed spud quite like rabbit stock. |
| 00:02.32 | Lopeppeppy | Bear is pretty inedible, IMO. |
| 00:02.39 | Dagmar | You have to get a whole LOT of squirrels |
| 00:02.39 | Jerub | if you ever have whole rabbit, make stock, ftw. |
| 00:02.52 | Dagmar | Bear is a little tough |
| 00:03.12 | Lopeppeppy | Fatty greasy nasty gamey bear. Never did find it cooked any way I could stand. |
| 00:03.17 | cbreak | I intend to try tofu this or next week. |
| 00:03.23 | cbreak | wonder if I can make it taste like something |
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| 00:03.33 | Lopeppeppy | Tofu only tastes like whatever you soak it in for an hour or so. |
| 00:03.39 | tekkub | bears are for licking, not chewing |
| 00:03.46 | Lopeppeppy | marinade is totally your tofu friend. |
| 00:06.31 | DWSR | bleh tofu |
| 00:10.28 | Thunder_Child | i am amused http://www.google.com/trends/hottrends?sa=X&oi=prbx_hot_trends&ct=title&q=sc2+beta |
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| 00:14.55 | DWSR | http://is.gd/8C9rK |
| 00:14.58 | DWSR | I know the creator. |
| 00:16.38 | ScytheBlade1 | nicoli_s: installing... |
| 00:16.44 | Thunder_Child | it's stuff like that DWSR, that makes me wonder what goes on in your head |
| 00:16.51 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Hehe, it's funny. |
| 00:17.02 | Thunder_Child | it's boasting |
| 00:17.12 | Thunder_Child | assuming thats boastable |
| 00:20.02 | Kraps | wtf there are too many enchanters |
| 00:20.24 | Kraps | how am i supposed to make money? |
| 00:21.00 | Thunder_Child | selling mats |
| 00:21.42 | Kraps | but then i'm no different than anyone else |
| 00:22.22 | Thunder_Child | no matter what you do you are not going to be different than anyone else |
| 00:22.52 | Kraps | unless i use abyssal shatter... |
| 00:23.32 | DWSR | Jesus christ. |
| 00:23.38 | DWSR | I've been looking on DA for a wallpaper for like 2 hours. |
| 00:23.42 | DWSR | And I still can't find one that I really like. |
| 00:23.54 | Lopeppeppy | ... house wallpaper, or computer wallpaper? |
| 00:24.29 | Kraps | lol @ peppy |
| 00:24.32 | Thunder_Child | DA would prolly be desktop |
| 00:24.32 | Jerub | DWSR: save power. use black. |
| 00:24.37 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: lol |
| 00:24.53 | DWSR | pats Lopeppeppy |
| 00:24.58 | Lopeppeppy | There is NO computer wallpaper in the world worth wasting 2 hours over. |
| 00:24.59 | DWSR | Desktop. |
| 00:25.09 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: You haven't browsed DeviantArt, obviously. |
| 00:25.11 | Lopeppeppy | I could understand it if it were for a home, but jeez. |
| 00:25.24 | DWSR | Also, I'm exceedingly bored atm. Putting off doing the laundry. |
| 00:25.27 | Jerub | yeah, that's two hours you coudl've spent grinding eternal fire or something |
| 00:25.27 | Lopeppeppy | Deviant has tons of great stuff. Pick one. Pick a new one in two weeks. No need to agonize. |
| 00:25.52 | DWSR | Jerub: No WoW here |
| 00:25.59 | DWSR | No games here period. |
| 00:26.05 | DWSR | Hence why I'm putting off doing the laundry. |
| 00:26.22 | Jerub | did laundry between clearing trash and marrowgar last night |
| 00:26.31 | Kraps | DWSR: get webshots and download monthly packs from a warez site |
| 00:26.45 | DWSR | Kraps: Also a good idea. |
| 00:26.46 | DWSR | Hrm. |
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| 00:27.01 | DWSR | I wonder if I could rig my desktop to change to the RSS feed of a DA category. |
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| 00:29.07 | Kraps | is terribad at math and cant figure out if greater or lesser Cosmic Essence gets more money |
| 00:29.28 | Adys | multiply by 3 :/ |
| 00:30.14 | Kraps | k |
| 00:30.41 | Kraps | so 3 lesser is 27g and 1 greater is 14g |
| 00:30.47 | Kraps | odd |
| 00:32.21 | Kraps | 1 relic of ulduar is 33s |
| 00:32.24 | Kraps | ffs |
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| 00:38.28 | Thunder_Child | is an idiot |
| 00:38.39 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: we agree. |
| 00:38.49 | Thunder_Child | sounds about right |
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| 00:42.48 | DWSR | Consensus is consensual. |
| 00:43.10 | DWSR | anyway, dinnar |
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| 00:50.49 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahaha |
| 00:50.50 | ScytheBlade1 | My first game |
| 00:50.51 | ScytheBlade1 | vs 1up.com |
| 00:50.52 | ScytheBlade1 | They're posting a video |
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| 00:56.06 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/1up-game-night |
| 00:56.15 | ScytheBlade1 | streaming it now... I can whisper them and you'll see it |
| 00:56.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 01:00.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: =] |
| 01:00.39 | Sixen | hai2u sbo :D |
| 01:00.49 | Sixen | realID add me |
| 01:00.50 | Sixen | sixengfx@gmail.com |
| 01:00.53 | ScytheBlade1 | kk |
| 01:00.54 | ScytheBlade1 | also |
| 01:00.56 | ScytheBlade1 | my first match? |
| 01:00.58 | ScytheBlade1 | against 1up.com |
| 01:01.00 | ScytheBlade1 | streamed live |
| 01:01.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I won =] |
| 01:01.16 | Sixen | nowai..? |
| 01:01.21 | ScytheBlade1 | yawai |
| 01:01.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/1up-game-night |
| 01:01.57 | Sixen | lol |
| 01:02.02 | Sixen | I got into the beta again |
| 01:02.09 | Sixen | Unless my opt-in e-mail is horribly slow. |
| 01:05.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: sent |
| 01:05.42 | Sixen | kk |
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| 01:15.47 | Duman | OH HAI |
| 01:16.12 | Duman | sbo |
| 01:16.14 | Sixen | :) |
| 01:16.17 | Sixen | hai mr duman sir |
| 01:16.17 | Sixen | :D |
| 01:16.19 | Duman | hey sixen :) |
| 01:16.31 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 01:16.39 | Kraps | theres a new FP at the border of EPL and WPL :o |
| 01:18.46 | Kraps | confirm/deny |
| 01:18.52 | Sixen | @duman & sbo, #sc2mapster |
| 01:21.31 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 01:23.19 | Duman | kraps: yeah |
| 01:29.38 | Adys | what time is 10/9C |
| 01:30.10 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 01:30.21 | Adys | I'm not an US resident Thunder_Child |
| 01:30.23 | Thunder_Child | that question is so much fail |
| 01:30.32 | Thunder_Child | it has nothing to do with that |
| 01:30.36 | Amarande | good grief, the USA is fail at curling |
| 01:30.42 | Amarande | that's another loss in the eleventh end :| |
| 01:30.43 | Thunder_Child | you didnt give any reference |
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| 01:30.58 | Adys | what reference do you want? |
| 01:31.05 | Adys | it's a tv air time |
| 01:31.22 | Thunder_Child | do you want a gmt or what? |
| 01:31.33 | Adys | no, i want to know what timezone this is |
| 01:31.36 | Thunder_Child | central |
| 01:31.38 | Thunder_Child | err.. |
| 01:31.47 | Adys | 9 central? |
| 01:31.47 | Thunder_Child | one hour later than central |
| 01:32.03 | Thunder_Child | so one timezone east |
| 01:32.07 | Thunder_Child | would be the 10 |
| 01:32.30 | Adys | mk |
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| 01:54.23 | foxlit | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/98390-The-World-of-LordCraft-is-Coming << They're so done for |
| 01:54.43 | Thunder_Child | i'm enjoying the game though |
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| 02:28.42 | Shirik | lol @ the beginning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olg_bm5FMOo |
| 02:29.10 | Dagmar | Soooooooed |
| 02:34.02 | cog|away | dog looks very odd with one eye half open (cat just scratched him right on the edge of his eyelid) |
| 02:34.29 | Seerah | :( |
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| 02:36.45 | cog|away | American Idiot was an amazingly good album |
| 02:40.13 | Dagmar | Somehow people got the idea it was punk |
| 02:40.29 | cog|away | labels schmabels imo |
| 02:40.52 | cog|away | i'm so ecclectic i couldn't give a damn |
| 02:41.13 | Dagmar | So, I'm sure this is just me but... |
| 02:41.35 | Dagmar | I can't help but suspect all new accounts on WorldOfLordcraft are probably being tried against Blizz's login |
| 02:41.46 | Dagmar | 'cuz, you know, goldfarmers are running the site |
| 02:42.06 | cog|away | Natrual selection in action imo |
| 02:42.16 | Shirik | ^ |
| 02:42.26 | Dagmar | Normally I'm not pro-lawyer, but in this case maybe I'd like to see lawyers get to chase, kill, and eat these guys |
| 02:43.02 | Dagmar | I am not speaking figuratively. |
| 02:43.24 | cog|away | caveat emptor (sp?) imo |
| 02:43.24 | batbot | cog|away, nothing found. |
| 02:45.53 | Shirik | why do people think that if they go into a wikipedia page and edit it, they somehow "hacked" wikipedia? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Olympic+symbols&diff=344743039&oldid=344743006 |
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| 02:50.35 | Dagmar | Shirik: Because the days in which actual hackers would ruin someone's life over some shit like that up and evaporated when we found out people would pay us money to be slightly more sociable and hold down "regular" jobs |
| 02:51.27 | Dagmar | This is why people think they've "hacked" WP, this is why companies *dare* refer to some shit they had reported to them four months ago and simply haven't done anything about yet as a "0-day" |
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| 02:59.03 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: it would have been a lot easier simply to say "Shirik: because people are stupid" |
| 02:59.22 | Dagmar | Well, he hit a nerve |
| 02:59.25 | Shirik | omg I hacked freenode |
| 02:59.27 | Shirik | I sent a message |
| 02:59.29 | Shirik | see |
| 02:59.35 | Shirik | I'm making server send messages whenever I tell it to |
| 02:59.44 | Dagmar | I have limited free time. I can't go and plug the power mains right into the cable TV coax at enough places to make a dent |
| 02:59.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik is broken again |
| 02:59.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone smack him, possibly power cycle if needed |
| 03:00.20 | Seerah | !reboot Shirik |
| 03:02.27 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:03.47 | Seerah | how are you faring with the snow, Kraps? |
| 03:07.26 | Kraps | the areas with foot traffic are mostly clear of snow, though i did get stuck trying to get on a curb cut earlier >:( |
| 03:07.56 | Seerah | :( |
| 03:09.17 | Antiarc1 | "Tunneling services are designed to improve a bad connection by sending multiple signals to Blizzard's server to boost your responsiveness" |
| 03:09.18 | Antiarc1 | wat. |
| 03:09.36 | ScytheBlade1 | o_o |
| 03:10.28 | Shadowed | they send red singles unlike your ISPs green singles, because red is stronger than green ours are better |
| 03:11.25 | Shirik | Seerah: beep |
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| 03:14.27 | Dagmar | Antiarc1: MAH KEYS! |
| 03:19.08 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJgC9LEBTuQ |
| 03:19.53 | Dagmar | Antiarc1: I'm pretty sure anyone with a statement like that is just sniffing people's credentials so they can steal accounts |
| 03:20.38 | Jerub | i know a bunch of australians who use tunnels. |
| 03:20.41 | kd3 | er uh |
| 03:20.49 | kd3 | wtfs |
| 03:21.02 | kd3 | and grr at having to restart X |
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| 03:22.42 | Dagmar | Jerub: Did you *read* the statement in question? |
| 03:23.06 | Jerub | Dagmar: oh, yeah, i did, i think that sounds terribly phishy. |
| 03:23.07 | kd3 | wtb non-broken dual-card setup |
| 03:23.07 | Dagmar | Things like that make me with we had a Remote Slapping Protocol |
| 03:23.14 | Jerub | but i'm just sayin', there must be legit ones around. |
| 03:23.33 | Dagmar | Jerub: Whether they're legit or not, they're of highly dubious utility |
| 03:24.03 | Dagmar | Mostly I think they're just profit centers for preying on other criminals trying to evade IP blocks |
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| 03:28.42 | Dagmar | The Yahtzee review on ME2 definitely hits the nail on the head about me and the sniper rifle |
| 03:30.23 | Corrodias | what's he say? |
| 03:30.34 | Corrodias | i'm sure i'll see it, but might as well hear it now since i'm playing the game. |
| 03:30.48 | Dagmar | Eveyrone dies before they get close enough to call him a tosser |
| 03:31.39 | Amarande | Dagmar: "CHAOTIC EVIL: You can't even trust your alignment mates." |
| 03:33.08 | Dagmar | Well, yeah |
| 03:33.51 | Iriel | I loves me some sniper action |
| 03:33.56 | Iriel | Mine's almost fully upgraded |
| 03:34.08 | Amarande | kd3: ATI or nVidia? |
| 03:34.35 | kd3 | nvidia |
| 03:35.14 | Amarande | yeah, when I had dual nvidias I never actually managed to get them both working on linux either |
| 03:35.27 | Amarande | there weren't any errors, but I fairly soon discovered that the second card wasn't actually contributing |
| 03:35.28 | Dagmar | Wow got support for SLI? |
| 03:35.31 | kd3 | I can get it to work, but I lose hw accelerated video |
| 03:35.38 | Amarande | kd3: zero fps for you :D |
| 03:35.42 | Dagmar | Yeah vdpau doesn't work with SLI |
| 03:35.52 | kd3 | not doing sli |
| 03:35.52 | Amarande | I need to get an nVidia card |
| 03:35.54 | kd3 | spanning |
| 03:35.56 | kd3 | 3 displays |
| 03:36.09 | Dagmar | Ouch |
| 03:36.17 | Dagmar | Well, it works with two displays and *one* card |
| 03:36.19 | Dagmar | :) |
| 03:36.23 | kd3 | yar |
| 03:36.40 | Dagmar | Now, if I just could find a reasonable explanation of WTF is wrong with ASX streaming |
| 03:36.53 | Dagmar | ...like what specifically, with an eye towards and answer suggesting it's fixable. |
| 03:37.14 | Adys | I thought blizzard didn't hand out sc2 invites by mail? |
| 03:37.15 | kd3 | I'm either dual head 1680x1050 on my two 21"s or single head 1080p on my 35" tv |
| 03:37.18 | kd3 | but not both, blah |
| 03:37.21 | Dagmar | Anything over about 8-10gb seems to make WMP crap itself and fail |
| 03:37.57 | Amarande | Adys: "Hey, you've been selected for SC2 beta (I want a free WoW account.) Please submit your Battle.net details to Blizzard here (Give them to me so I can use them.)" :D |
| 03:38.10 | Adys | Amarande: it's not a scam and I'm not an idiot |
| 03:38.11 | Amarande | SC2 beta email, the annotated version. |
| 03:38.34 | Amarande | Adys, you don't have a sense of humor, do you. :| |
| 03:38.35 | Adys | and I was as surprised that it wasn't one |
| 03:38.45 | Adys | Amarande: I do, you don't |
| 03:39.17 | Amarande | heh, it is such a good thing that Adys and I never play hockey against each other |
| 03:39.21 | kd3 | zomg tourgide disabled? |
| 03:39.24 | kd3 | sounds the panic alarm |
| 03:39.25 | Amarande | we'd probably be spending five minute stints in the penalty box all the time :) |
| 03:39.33 | Adys | its spelled tourguide kd3 |
| 03:39.40 | kd3 | blah |
| 03:40.10 | Adys | So uhm |
| 03:40.15 | Adys | Anyone wants a sc2 beta key? |
| 03:40.15 | Jerub | omg, tourguide is disabled? |
| 03:40.27 | kd3 | ooh memememe |
| 03:40.30 | Dagmar | Disabled? What? |
| 03:40.46 | Jerub | Adys: hells yes. |
| 03:41.05 | Adys | how about I give each of you half of the key |
| 03:41.19 | Jerub | Adys: :( |
| 03:41.29 | Jerub | Adys: but. i promise to love it and cherish it for ever and ever. |
| 03:42.51 | Adys | Jerub: pm |
| 03:42.56 | Amarande | there's a catch, you all have to fight to the death and Adys will give the last survivor the key! |
| 03:43.05 | Amarande | everyone meet in the Gurubashi Arena at 0130 |
| 03:43.13 | sylvanaar | why does chrome use so many processes |
| 03:43.22 | Adys | !g why does chrome use so many processes |
| 03:43.24 | kd3 | because it uses processes instead of threads? |
| 03:43.30 | sylvanaar | wow |
| 03:43.41 | kdtresh | each tab is its own process, so if one bombs out it doesn't take everything with it |
| 03:43.45 | sylvanaar | 15 processes for 3 tabs |
| 03:43.45 | Iriel | Wasn't that a big part of the security model? |
| 03:43.47 | kdtresh | or something like that |
| 03:43.55 | Adys | sylvanaar: its not just tabs |
| 03:44.11 | Adys | theres the renderer sandbox, the plugin sandbox, the addon sandbox |
| 03:44.14 | Amarande | each tab is its own process, that way if your browser gets 'sploited there aren't any system resources left for the attacker to actually use :) |
| 03:45.00 | DWSR | ramgaD |
| 03:45.03 | sylvanaar | or i make a trojan called chrome.exe and hide it in the forest |
| 03:45.04 | Dagmar | Well, I hope tekkub got a big pile of money for selling it |
| 03:45.11 | DWSR | oh hai |
| 03:45.47 | sylvanaar | thanks for the answers, at least it makes more sense now |
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| 03:47.05 | DWSR | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/13/23280338177-wintergrasp-max-rank-cheat.html <-- This is a cheat? |
| 03:47.15 | Adys | a very old one |
| 03:47.16 | DWSR | I thought that it just gave this to you if you were outnumbered enough when WG started. |
| 03:47.21 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 03:47.46 | DWSR | Well, they're never going to fix it. |
| 03:47.52 | DWSR | At least not for the next 2 expansions |
| 03:47.53 | DWSR | Dagmar |
| 03:48.06 | Dagmar | What? |
| 03:48.26 | Adys | They fixed it as many times as they fixed the vanish bug |
| 03:48.30 | Amarande | DWSR: I suspect the "cheat" consists of arranging to make sure that only 1 or 2 people join WG before it starts, then pile the rest of the faction in after the buff triggers |
| 03:48.54 | DWSR | Adys: Never? |
| 03:48.56 | Amarande | since WG is server-by-server, it's trivial to arrange such matters in /2 :| |
| 03:49.03 | Adys | DWSR: a few dozen times |
| 03:49.09 | DWSR | Adys: They've never fixed Vanish |
| 03:49.21 | Adys | They've never fixed the max rank cheat either |
| 03:49.25 | Adys | Not properly |
| 03:49.36 | Adys | nor the blink bug for that matter |
| 03:49.44 | DWSR | The one where you can blink through walls? |
| 03:49.50 | Amarande | Adys: dammit |
| 03:49.52 | Adys | no |
| 03:49.57 | Amarande | why are all the fun tricks for classes I dont play :| |
| 03:49.58 | Adys | the one where you cant blink through gravel |
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| 03:50.33 | Adys | Amarande: many classes have "fun tricks" |
| 03:50.37 | Adys | or have had |
| 03:50.57 | Adys | rogues got shadowstep/vanish exploits |
| 03:51.12 | Adys | warlocks got circle of summoning/pet exploits |
| 03:51.49 | Adys | basically dont look too far, anything that goes against the engine's physics can be exploited |
| 03:51.49 | DWSR | Adys: What exploits with the circle? |
| 03:52.09 | Adys | DWSR: summoning it behind walls and shit |
| 03:52.13 | Adys | though thats mostly been fixed |
| 03:52.15 | DWSR | That's not an exploit. |
| 03:52.18 | DWSR | It's by design |
| 03:52.24 | Adys | Summoning it BEHIND walls |
| 03:52.27 | Adys | not next to walls :) |
| 03:52.31 | DWSR | Walls in WG? |
| 03:52.37 | Adys | did I say wg? |
| 03:52.46 | Adys | even warriors had their time of fun with heroic leap |
| 03:52.52 | DWSR | Wait, how the fuck did you summon it BEHIND a wall? |
| 03:52.59 | Adys | by being smart |
| 03:53.04 | DWSR | heh |
| 03:53.11 | DWSR | Circle is pretty fucking cheating as it is. |
| 03:53.28 | DWSR | Especially holding the flag in WSG or defending a node/tower. |
| 03:53.43 | DWSR | Christ, Affliction's like MOAR DOTZ *port*. |
| 03:53.45 | DWSR | *win*. |
| 03:54.15 | Adys | After a while you just look at a spell and know "this will be exploited" |
| 03:54.20 | DWSR | especially when the retard disc priest mass dispells and hits 3 of your Unstable Afflictions for 30k+ in the face. |
| 03:54.47 | Amarande | I still haven't had the pleasure of using mass dispel yet :( |
| 03:54.50 | DWSR | Does UA's on dispel portion get properly affected by resilience? |
| 03:54.53 | Amarande | my priest is still only 67 or 68 or so |
| 03:55.00 | DWSR | Because it seems to, well, not. |
| 03:55.07 | DWSR | There's no way that thing crits for 11k on a full furious priest. |
| 03:55.09 | Amarande | meh, resilience is a stupid mechanic :) |
| 03:55.20 | Adys | for once i agree |
| 03:55.21 | DWSR | Amarande: The only people who say that are the people who have bad PvP gear. |
| 03:55.28 | Amarande | DWSR: when you basically reduce the entire gearing strategy of a portion of the game to a SINGLE STAT |
| 03:55.30 | Amarande | you've done it wrong. |
| 03:55.36 | DWSR | Amarande: Except you don't. |
| 03:55.42 | DWSR | Because resilence soft caps. |
| 03:55.53 | Adys | DWSR: So what? |
| 03:56.03 | DWSR | Adys: If you're stacking resilience past 1k, you're doing it wrong. |
| 03:56.06 | Amarande | I remember joking a while back that eventually there will be only two stats on gear |
| 03:56.10 | Amarande | there will be resilience for pvp |
| 03:56.20 | Dagmar | Resilience *is* a lame idewa |
| 03:56.23 | Amarande | and meanwhile all the pve stats will have been consolidated into a single, simple to understand stat. I call it "zomg". |
| 03:56.32 | Amarande | "I'm sorry you don't have enough zomg on your gear to go to this instance." |
| 03:56.36 | DWSR | Dagmar: DID YOU FINISH? |
| 03:56.40 | Dagmar | The only thing it's doing is giving people who can't beat a bot gear that they can lord over the people who do |
| 03:56.42 | eidolarr | UA nedes to be buffed |
| 03:56.49 | Amarande | OTOH, that could have good points |
| 03:56.53 | DWSR | eidolarr: For once, I agree. |
| 03:56.56 | Amarande | for instance, if all gear of the same ilvl was created equal |
| 03:57.10 | Amarande | (well, except for bonuses to blue and epic gear for being blue and epic) |
| 03:57.11 | eidolarr | it is too weak these days, people just tank it |
| 03:57.15 | Dagmar | Amarande: Looked closely at the >200 ilvl gear yet? |
| 03:57.24 | Amarande | you could much better customize your character's appearance without gimping them. :) |
| 03:57.25 | DWSR | Dagmar: As Blizzard is firmly against having different mechanics for PvE and PvP, resilience is a decent fix. |
| 03:57.36 | Adys | ... |
| 03:57.37 | Dagmar | The only thing there to look at is a) does it have a set bonus or b) which numbar iz biggar |
| 03:57.43 | Adys | resilience IS a different mechanic for pvp |
| 03:57.44 | Amarande | You have to remember, I came to WoW from Guild Wars, where being able to customize my appearance was one of the AWESOME points. |
| 03:57.51 | Dagmar | DWSR: It *is* a different mechanic tho |
| 03:57.52 | DWSR | Adys: I meant spell mechanics. |
| 03:57.53 | eidolarr | it depends on the class, priests stack resilience |
| 03:58.01 | Amarande | <3 my Sunspear 15k armor on my elementalist. |
| 03:58.02 | Adys | DWSR: what, you mean like deep freeze? |
| 03:58.20 | DWSR | Adys: Or the fact that Curse of Doom can't be cast on players? |
| 03:58.24 | DWSR | Could you imagine if it could, though? |
| 03:58.42 | DWSR | "Hi, in 1 minute, you are going to receive 10k damage to the face. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Have a nice day." |
| 03:58.45 | Adys | yes, I can because I happen to have played during a time where it was castable on players |
| 03:58.47 | eidolarr | that you can name a few examples doesn't go against the majority of spells working in both pve and pvp |
| 03:58.49 | Dagmar | dwsr: I've run into guys with full resilience gear, and blazed away on them with what would have been serious pounding for a raid boss. They just stood there and barely took damage. |
| 03:58.52 | Amarande | DWSR: that's what mages and druids are for? |
| 03:58.57 | Adys | and back in that time, you received 3k dmg |
| 03:59.03 | Adys | and those 3k dmg were 95% of your hp |
| 03:59.06 | Adys | not 30% |
| 03:59.10 | DWSR | Adys: Yeah, and it summoned a doomguard. :D |
| 03:59.15 | DWSR | Which nom'ed your face. |
| 03:59.17 | Amarande | and really, I don't see the problem with casting curse of doom on players :| |
| 03:59.24 | Amarande | after all |
| 03:59.28 | Dagmar | You might as well go into the fight naked if you're after someone with resilience gear and you don't have it |
| 03:59.33 | DWSR | Amarande: It's too strong against players with no mass dispell. |
| 03:59.38 | DWSR | Dagmar: Which, tbh, is how it should be. |
| 03:59.45 | DWSR | Dagmar: You can grind full furious with triumph. |
| 03:59.46 | Dagmar | dwsr: No, it shouldn't. |
| 03:59.48 | Adys | Dagmar: that isnt true, at all |
| 03:59.50 | eidolarr | yes it should lol |
| 03:59.53 | Amarande | DWSR: I'm more thinking, at least in battlegrounds (which is where most PvP is played, despite Blizzard seeming to care more about Arena) |
| 03:59.57 | Adys | yes it should |
| 03:59.59 | Adys | no it shouldnt |
| 04:00.00 | Adys | yes it should |
| 04:00.01 | Dagmar | The PvP gear should suck as much for PvE |
| 04:00.02 | Adys | no it shouldnt |
| 04:00.04 | Amarande | how often do people actually LIVE a minute or more from commencement of combat? |
| 04:00.06 | eidolarr | this is not old wow where you can hide in a dungeon for weeks and then come out and dominate pvp |
| 04:00.13 | Adys | look at me Im having an intelligent conversation with myself |
| 04:00.31 | DWSR | Dagmar: Also, if you were beating his face in like you would a raid boss, he wouldn't last long. |
| 04:00.35 | Dagmar | If you're going to have a separate set of gear then have a separate set, don't make one of them 80% effective for hte other and the other only good at one thing |
| 04:00.37 | Amarande | in battlegrounds at least, people live and die in five or ten second intervals pretty much |
| 04:00.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: Burst is still king of the arena. |
| 04:00.47 | Amarande | a minute is like, too long, didn't care |
| 04:00.53 | Dagmar | dwsr: Fuck arenas, this was actually Alterac Valley |
| 04:01.02 | DWSR | Dagmar: Then he had a healer. |
| 04:01.06 | Adys | man |
| 04:01.06 | Dagmar | No, he didn't. |
| 04:01.11 | Adys | a convo with you three |
| 04:01.12 | Dagmar | I had his ass dead to rights. |
| 04:01.14 | DWSR | Dagmar: He had something going on. |
| 04:01.14 | Amarande | by the time a minute passes, if you're still alive, you're off in a corner somewhere eating a magebun |
| 04:01.20 | Adys | this cant possibly ever happen to be good |
| 04:01.29 | eidolarr | my warlock can tank a few baddies at once, her self healing and resilience outdo the damage |
| 04:01.32 | Amarande | now in arena, yeah, it could be a problem |
| 04:01.44 | Amarande | I'm not sure how long the typical arena battle lasts from commencement of actual combat |
| 04:01.50 | DWSR | Dagmar: Because I have burned down people as full demo in PvE gear and they fall just as fast in PvE or PvP gear. |
| 04:01.53 | DWSR | Amarande: Depends on the comps. |
| 04:01.59 | Amarande | otoh, warlocks don't last very long in arena anyway |
| 04:02.00 | Amarande | at least in 5's |
| 04:02.01 | DWSR | Amarande: 2 burst teams going at it is like under 2 minutes. |
| 04:02.05 | Dagmar | DWSR: I find that highly suspect |
| 04:02.06 | Amarande | which is what Blizzard seems to mainly care about |
| 04:02.18 | Dagmar | DWSR: You seem to be claiming that resilience does nothing. |
| 04:02.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: You're talking to the guy that's ripping off 12k shadowbolts to the face in demon form. |
| 04:02.21 | eidolarr | actually i last decently in 5's these days, i'm not first target anymore |
| 04:02.27 | DWSR | Dagmar: It doesn't do nothing. It just doesn't do a whole lot. |
| 04:02.30 | Amarande | eidolarr: ahh, so they finally fixed that |
| 04:02.51 | Dagmar | I also highly doubt that your mean damage on those 'bolts is 12k |
| 04:02.54 | eidolarr | yeah lol the old purpose of the warlock was "crawl around the arena with the melee grabbing your ankles long enough for your teammates to kill someone" |
| 04:03.00 | DWSR | Dagmar: The effectiveness of PvP gear in a PvE role and vice versa is *highly* dependant on your class. |
| 04:03.01 | Amarande | I remember the days of 2.3 and 2.4 where the warlock's vulnerability had reached such proportions that including one in your 5's basically guaranteed loss |
| 04:03.16 | Adys | Amarande: who the fuck cares |
| 04:03.19 | Amarande | eidolarr: that had mainly to do with ArPen not being balanced correctly, didn't it? |
| 04:03.23 | Dagmar | DWSR: Either way, it's dumb as hell |
| 04:03.23 | Adys | in 2v2, druid+lock you were guaranteed a win |
| 04:03.25 | eidolarr | idk i remember bc being pretty stacked in our favor |
| 04:03.25 | Adys | whatsoever |
| 04:03.40 | Adys | even in 3v3 |
| 04:03.40 | DWSR | SL/SL was fucking stupid. What the hell are you talking about Adys? |
| 04:03.42 | Adys | rogue/priest/lock |
| 04:03.42 | DWSR | err, Amarande* |
| 04:03.47 | Amarande | Adys: then it's a good thing they made them more survivable in 3's and 5's |
| 04:03.47 | eidolarr | Amarande: it had more to do with the lack of escape mechanics and the way locks can't do much when being pummeled |
| 04:03.49 | Dagmar | What it results in is guys with full PvP gear stomping all over everyone who doesn't have it |
| 04:03.59 | Amarande | seeing as blizzard seems to care so little about 2's as for it to seem they're pretty much phasing it out |
| 04:04.00 | eidolarr | is that not how it should be? |
| 04:04.02 | DWSR | Dagmar: Which is as it should be. |
| 04:04.14 | Adys | Amarande: you're whining about something completely irrelevant |
| 04:04.15 | Dagmar | DWSR: They shouldn't be able to wear that same gear and go do heroics/raids |
| 04:04.15 | DWSR | Dagmar: Just like the guys in full 264 rape in DPS (assuming they're not retarded). |
| 04:04.17 | kdtresh | i always felt locks got shafted in pvp |
| 04:04.19 | Adys | as you were WAY overpowered elsewhere |
| 04:04.24 | DWSR | Dagmar: Why not? I can do it. |
| 04:04.27 | Amarande | eidolarr: yeah, and the fact that basically ALL warlock debuffs were easily dispellable, while melee debuffs are all effing Red debuffs that can't be removed at all |
| 04:04.30 | DWSR | kdtresh: We have, for a long while. Right now it's not bad. |
| 04:04.30 | Adys | what the fuck are you guys on |
| 04:04.33 | Dagmar | dwdsr: Guys wearing BiS everything should damn well do piles of damage |
| 04:04.37 | Adys | are you even playing the same game? |
| 04:04.38 | kdtresh | everyone does nothing but whine about fear, and now everyone has get out of fear free tokens |
| 04:04.41 | Dagmar | It's the compensation for them being virgins. |
| 04:04.51 | Amarande | there really should be a healer spell to dispel bleeds |
| 04:04.53 | Adys | locks have been the single class thats always scaled way more than any other |
| 04:04.56 | Adys | in all three expansions |
| 04:05.02 | eidolarr | Amarande: at the same time we had SL/SL in BC, those were pretty good times haha |
| 04:05.02 | DWSR | Adys: To the point of getting nerfed. |
| 04:05.03 | kdtresh | meanwhile locks have no ice block, bubble, blink, frost nova, stun |
| 04:05.06 | DWSR | Adys: Every single time. |
| 04:05.13 | DWSR | Adys: Also, see no escape mechanic until Circle. |
| 04:05.14 | Adys | DWSR: WHICH IS NORMAL. |
| 04:05.20 | Adys | when something is absolutely op |
| 04:05.21 | Adys | guess what |
| 04:05.23 | Adys | you nerf it! |
| 04:05.42 | Dagmar | Unless you're Sony. |
| 04:05.45 | Amarande | Adys: except then PvP-wise, their damage dealing is nerfed AND they're still as unsurvivable as ever against being attacked themselves |
| 04:05.46 | DWSR | Adys: If we scale so well, then change our scaling so that we're not so fucking overpowered in high gear levels. |
| 04:05.48 | Dagmar | Then you nerf it, and then nerf it some more |
| 04:05.53 | eidolarr | locks were in a good place in BC actually in terms of balance |
| 04:05.57 | Amarande | to the point that the balances make the class basically a pariah in 5's |
| 04:05.59 | eidolarr | they just dominated 2v2 back when people thought 2v2 meant soemthing |
| 04:06.10 | Dagmar | ...and then since a mentally retarded 8 year old still gets killed you nerf it a few more times |
| 04:06.20 | DWSR | I loved the double nerf that afflocks received. |
| 04:06.21 | Dagmar | But you absolutely leave in the teleports |
| 04:06.31 | DWSR | They were like "10% reduced healing AND a double damage reduction" |
| 04:06.39 | DWSR | Glad they fixed that shit in a hurry. |
| 04:06.55 | Amarande | And they somehow felt it a good idea to make resil affect dots |
| 04:07.00 | Dagmar | Every class has to have a reason for living, even if it means just teleporting party members around |
| 04:07.01 | Amarande | I really don't get the balancing need on THAT one |
| 04:07.02 | DWSR | Amarande: It is a good idea. |
| 04:07.07 | eidolarr | yeah it had to happen |
| 04:07.12 | Amarande | DWSR: dots get dispelled so easily it isn't funny, at least let them do full damage |
| 04:07.13 | eidolarr | the gap between dot classes and everyone else was diverging |
| 04:07.16 | DWSR | Amarande: Not having DoTs on resilence would be just fucking stupid. |
| 04:07.19 | DWSR | Amarande: UA? |
| 04:07.21 | Adys | exactly eidolarr |
| 04:07.31 | Adys | dots scale way too well in pvp |
| 04:07.34 | DWSR | Amarande: Priests, Locks, and Fire mages all have a cover dot. |
| 04:07.34 | eidolarr | it's not a philosophical question about what shoudl do what, it's about maintaining the power balance as resil scales |
| 04:07.52 | DWSR | Amarande: If you're not putting the cover up first, you're fucking stupid. |
| 04:08.06 | Amarande | DWSR: how much does UA backlash really matter though unless your teammates are already on the healer? |
| 04:08.19 | DWSR | Amarande: Err...I've killed a *number* of people using it. |
| 04:08.36 | DWSR | Amarande: It's enough damage that the healer will switch tracks for a minute, plus it's a fucking silence. |
| 04:08.40 | eidolarr | it doesn't matter much |
| 04:08.42 | eidolarr | anymore |
| 04:08.45 | Amarande | I only used aff for a short time in WotLK, anyway, despite using it practically exclusively in BC |
| 04:09.01 | DWSR | Destro PvP is such a shitstorm now./ |
| 04:09.09 | DWSR | Conflag should have been left how it was. |
| 04:09.16 | Amarande | I leveled to 80 as demo, did my first several heroics as demo, realized demo did horrid DPS, tried aff, realized it did terribad DPS, and finally sucked it up and went destro like everyone else. |
| 04:09.23 | eidolarr | beyond about 2000 people practically ignore UA |
| 04:09.33 | Dagmar | WTf is the soloing/leveling spec for 'locks anyway? |
| 04:09.33 | DWSR | Amarande: That's because you're bad. |
| 04:09.44 | DWSR | Dagmar: Affliction. |
| 04:09.49 | kdtresh | i've always leveled as affliction |
| 04:09.51 | DWSR | Dagmar: Although, you usually pick up SL/Felguard. |
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| 04:09.57 | Amarande | Dagmar: 70-80 level as Demo. |
| 04:10.04 | DWSR | SL/Felguard solo's everything. |
| 04:10.14 | Amarande | once you get decent gear, solo as destro because non elites just die too quick to care |
| 04:10.16 | kdtresh | but i've never done much with demo or destro |
| 04:10.19 | DWSR | It's almost a little sickening. |
| 04:10.23 | Dagmar | Yeah I figured out the felguard thing quick enough this weekend |
| 04:10.31 | DWSR | Dagmar: What level are you? |
| 04:10.32 | Adys | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 04:10.39 | Adys | Websites that send search queries in POST |
| 04:10.42 | Dagmar | I was like "I was sure I was supposed to have a better pet than this so I didn't have to freaking fearjuggle" |
| 04:10.42 | Adys | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. |
| 04:10.44 | Amarande | But I'd at least level as Demo |
| 04:10.50 | Amarande | simply because of this one basic issue |
| 04:10.56 | Dagmar | DWSR: I restarted the 'lock at 56. |
| 04:11.00 | Amarande | meta and immo aura are stupidly overpowered when leveling |
| 04:11.10 | DWSR | Dagmar: Spec for the felguard immediately, then work your way up to Siphon Life. |
| 04:11.10 | Dagmar | Haven't touched him since um, a short while after BC |
| 04:11.15 | Amarande | and that makes it SO much easier to deal with areas like ... oh, just about everywhere with drakkari trolls for instance |
| 04:11.21 | DWSR | Dagmar: After that, pretty much bot to 80. |
| 04:11.24 | Amarande | where it seems like you're stuck with 4-pulls and 5-pulls galore |
| 04:11.33 | Dagmar | "Stuck with" |
| 04:11.39 | Dagmar | I love those |
| 04:11.39 | DWSR | You're bad, Amarande. |
| 04:11.56 | Dagmar | I just keep fearing until the place is empty |
| 04:11.57 | DWSR | I purposely feared those mobs so that I could pull more faster. |
| 04:12.00 | WobWork | Adys: hai2u SEO? |
| 04:12.01 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 04:12.03 | Amarande | DWSR: I still remember when I was questing towards the northeastern part of Grizzly Hills |
| 04:12.08 | DWSR | Siphon Life was just disgusting. |
| 04:12.16 | DWSR | It was like SL, SL, SL, DL, continue. |
| 04:12.21 | Amarande | I'd find it extremely difficult not to pull more than a couple Drakkari at a time, and if I did ... ow. |
| 04:12.22 | eidolarr | felguard/SL can solo more poweful elites but deep affliction is faster |
| 04:12.23 | DWSR | Sometimes CoA here and there. |
| 04:12.25 | Dagmar | They're all so damn spread out now you have to really work at it to get overwhelmed |
| 04:12.37 | Amarande | Dagmar: they might have changed it then |
| 04:12.49 | Amarande | I leveled 70-80 during the first month and a half of WotLK |
| 04:12.52 | DWSR | Amarande: No, they haven't. Again, you're just bad at playing a Warlock |
| 04:13.03 | DWSR | eidolarr: Yeah, deep affliction's just dumb. |
| 04:13.10 | DWSR | It's so bot friendly. |
| 04:13.16 | Dagmar | Hand out some dots, fear some guys, hand out more dots, fear more guys... |
| 04:13.18 | Adys | WobWork: =/ |
| 04:13.28 | eidolarr | deep affliction i didn't even loot mobs because it slowed me down |
| 04:13.46 | Dagmar | If I had an unholy DK following me around we could wipe out entire zones at a go |
| 04:13.52 | Amarande | DWSR: did you do most of the instance quests on the way from 70-80? |
| 04:13.59 | DWSR | Amarande: Yes. |
| 04:14.00 | Dagmar | The only thing missing is that dots don't often spread |
| 04:14.00 | WobWork | I had an unholy DK following me =( |
| 04:14.00 | Thunder_Child | 6 hours to DL the beta....cant wait damit |
| 04:14.04 | Amarande | DWSR: That may have been it. |
| 04:14.07 | WobWork | he kept peering into my bedroom at night |
| 04:14.17 | eidolarr | Dagmar: i had a restod ruid with me and i found it redundant, you can't kill faster than a solo affliction lock by enough to justify the extra eprson |
| 04:14.22 | Amarande | I had considerably worse gear than you probably, because the only time I really got around to instancing during the 70s was Nexus. |
| 04:14.33 | DWSR | Amarande: Like I said, you're bad. |
| 04:14.37 | Dagmar | eidolarr: I can in that a DK can spread more dots |
| 04:14.53 | Dagmar | I don't seem to have anything at 56 that might start a good solid chain reaction |
| 04:14.59 | DWSR | eidolarr: Unholy DK would actually make it awesome. |
| 04:15.00 | eidolarr | Dagmar: it doesn't really matter when one round of dots kills the mobs, the limiting factor becomes the density of mobs |
| 04:15.11 | eidolarr | and the GCD |
| 04:15.16 | Dagmar | ...but I made serious mayhem on my DK doing literally nothing but spreading the same diseases over and over |
| 04:15.28 | DWSR | Dagmar: Glyphed Howling Blast is pretty much the best shit ever. |
| 04:15.39 | DWSR | Pull like 15 mobs. |
| 04:15.41 | DWSR | Smash. |
| 04:15.41 | eidolarr | yeah i believe it, i'm just saying, you can't really get faster when your run speed is what's holding you back |
| 04:15.46 | DWSR | Blood Boil x2. |
| 04:15.50 | DWSR | Rinse, repeat. |
| 04:15.54 | Dagmar | eidolarr: I'm aware. This is why I was bitching that most of htese new zones are so spread out it's almost hard to get overwhelmed |
| 04:16.13 | eidolarr | it depends, some of the dense humanoid areas are alright |
| 04:16.21 | Amarande | eidolarr: and the ability to survive being nommed on by all the mobs at once before they die |
| 04:16.22 | DWSR | Christ, do you remember Jintha'lor when it was all elites (troll zone in Hinterlands)? |
| 04:16.25 | Amarande | which is where I kept getting tripped up |
| 04:16.36 | Dagmar | Stranglethorn Vale at the bandit camp was what I considered a hell of a lot of fun, although my gf was constantly terrified we were about to lose control of the situation |
| 04:16.44 | eidolarr | Amarande: probably a gear thing if you're using instant howl, your healing should outdo it |
| 04:16.49 | Dagmar | I'm like, wtf are you worrying about... You're wearing plate |
| 04:16.54 | Dagmar | ...an you're a healer. |
| 04:16.55 | DWSR | Dagmar: hehe |
| 04:16.56 | Amarande | yeah, it was probably gear |
| 04:16.58 | Dagmar | dot-dot-fear |
| 04:17.04 | Amarande | I was mostly in greens from 70-80 |
| 04:17.18 | eidolarr | yeah i had the s4 gladiator set which probably helped haha |
| 04:17.23 | Dagmar | "That's going to bring more mobs!" "*Good!* THat means I don't have to go get them." |
| 04:17.23 | Amarande | didn't get the blues because I wasn't getting the groups for the instance quests |
| 04:17.24 | eidolarr | although 60-70 in greens was the same experience |
| 04:17.40 | Amarande | people on my server hurried to 80 in the first week or two pretty much :P |
| 04:17.52 | eidolarr | people everywhere |
| 04:19.41 | eidolarr | the best thing about warlock, though |
| 04:19.50 | eidolarr | is capping snowfall in AV so it turns into a turtle and throwing seeds |
| 04:19.56 | eidolarr | that is all you could want out of wow |
| 04:20.18 | DWSR | seed is disgusting. |
| 04:20.25 | DWSR | It is actually the most rediculous AoE in existance. |
| 04:20.43 | eidolarr | more like most fun |
| 04:20.43 | Adys | why? |
| 04:20.43 | DWSR | existence* |
| 04:20.44 | DWSR | Whatever. |
| 04:20.48 | eidolarr | *ridiculous |
| 04:20.51 | DWSR | Adys: Highets DPS. |
| 04:20.59 | DWSR | Highest* |
| 04:21.05 | DWSR | Now that it hits the mob that it's on. |
| 04:21.20 | Amarande | Yeah, I still remember soloing BRD |
| 04:21.21 | Adys | Living bomb is probably better :P |
| 04:21.31 | eidolarr | i thought living bomb was only 1 target at a time |
| 04:21.32 | Adys | wow, grats Amarande. |
| 04:21.34 | Amarande | Seed, maybe another seed if you feel like it, then rain of fire on the whole group BOOOOOOOOOOM |
| 04:21.40 | Adys | not anymore since 3.1 |
| 04:21.52 | DWSR | Amarande: Pft. |
| 04:21.52 | eidolarr | oh good long time coming |
| 04:21.54 | DWSR | Why waste? |
| 04:22.11 | DWSR | Seed, tab, seed, tab, seed, tab. |
| 04:22.20 | DWSR | First one goes off, hits the second one, that blows, hits the third. |
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| 04:23.20 | eidolarr | sucks when they die too fast though |
| 04:23.31 | DWSR | I usually seed the healers. |
| 04:23.33 | Dagmar | This is why you need two 'locks |
| 04:23.46 | DWSR | If you seed the healers, the dots tick through |
| 04:23.50 | Dagmar | One to mass fear and the other to dot and hellfire |
| 04:23.50 | DWSR | And explode by themselves. |
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| 04:24.03 | DWSR | And once you get the chain going, you can usually put down 30 or 40 k. |
| 04:24.03 | eidolarr | nah you can't mass fear |
| 04:24.08 | eidolarr | you gotta go hide in a bush |
| 04:24.11 | DWSR | Dagmar: 8 target max. |
| 04:24.12 | eidolarr | or under the hill |
| 04:25.36 | DWSR | Chain seed spam from 2 locks is just dumb. |
| 04:25.49 | Amarande | DWSR: seed-RoF is somewhat safer for instance soloing, though |
| 04:26.00 | Amarande | this way, an interrupter mob nabs your fire school and not your shadow |
| 04:26.01 | DWSR | "Safe" "instance" |
| 04:26.10 | DWSR | You, sir, fail. |
| 04:26.12 | Amarande | having your shadow school disabled while soloing an instance makes grown men cry |
| 04:27.39 | Amarande | or maybe I fail at playing a warlock |
| 04:27.53 | DWSR | the latter. |
| 04:29.34 | Ginji | Nothing beats rogues when it comes to AoE! |
| 04:29.55 | DWSR | Now that throwing spec doesn't affect FoK, actually, rogues fail. |
| 04:30.12 | Dagmar | Meh. Most of the rogues I've seen fail anyway |
| 04:30.12 | Ginji | Given enough opponents we're only limited by our gcd! |
| 04:30.22 | Dagmar | Particularly the ones in 251/264 |
| 04:30.25 | Ginji | I love the many whelps on Ony |
| 04:30.36 | Dagmar | Ginji: Wrong. |
| 04:30.40 | Dewin | Ginji: Do rogues get diminishing damage beyond 10 targets like other aoe classes? |
| 04:30.41 | Dagmar | Everyone's damage-capped now. |
| 04:30.50 | Ginji | Yes ofcourse |
| 04:30.57 | Ginji | But I get my energy back |
| 04:31.00 | Ginji | So I can just spam |
| 04:31.02 | Ginji | and spam |
| 04:31.05 | DWSR | Dewin: other aoe classes except dks |
| 04:31.08 | Dewin | And yes, everyone is damage-capped. I, err, actually killed my lv80 bear druid in BRD because of that. |
| 04:31.15 | Amarande | FAIL |
| 04:31.19 | Dewin | I pulled like 100 mobs |
| 04:31.24 | Amarande | actually, BRD is seriously annoying with some mobs even at 80 |
| 04:31.25 | Dagmar | Oh that last room? Yeah |
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| 04:31.27 | Dewin | so I was doing like... 15 damage each per swipe. |
| 04:31.36 | Amarande | especially the damned Paladins and their bubbles |
| 04:31.40 | Dewin | Dagmar: No, before the... golem boss that's to the left of the entrance |
| 04:31.43 | Dagmar | it's ugly even as a hunter with a gorilladin |
| 04:31.43 | Amarande | WHICH EVEN BLOCK CHAOS BOLT THE BUGGERS |
| 04:31.54 | Ginji | Is consecration capped then btw? |
| 04:31.55 | Dewin | with all the anvilrage medics/etc |
| 04:31.58 | DWSR | Ginji: Yes. |
| 04:32.01 | Dagmar | Dewin: I've no idea I'd have to look at WoWWIki. |
| 04:32.07 | Dagmar | I think he dies in like ten shots now |
| 04:32.13 | eidolarr | Ginji: I don't think so |
| 04:32.18 | Dagmar | Sometimes I go in ther eand bother him |
| 04:32.21 | eidolarr | I haven't noticed it soloing SM, and it woudl hurt pally AOE threat |
| 04:32.39 | Dewin | Dagmar: I lived for like 3 minutes before I finally died. My problem is swipe spam wasn't enough to actually kill anything when the damage was spread across a bajillion targets. |
| 04:32.39 | Ginji | What about Thunder Clap then? |
| 04:32.48 | DWSR | mhm |
| 04:32.51 | DWSR | All the AoE. |
| 04:33.00 | Ginji | So that would include consecration |
| 04:33.02 | Dewin | The smarter solution would have been for me to just single target some down. |
| 04:33.02 | eidolarr | is thunder clap no longer at most 4 targets? |
| 04:33.06 | Amarande | Yeah I usually pull fairly large groups at a time in that final room but not ALL at once |
| 04:33.19 | DWSR | Ginji: The only thing it doesn't include is pestilence. |
| 04:33.22 | Dagmar | Dewin: I was under the impression swipe was only supposed to hit either 3 targets or a cone in front of you |
| 04:33.25 | Ginji | nerf DKs |
| 04:33.32 | DWSR | which, IMO, should be limited to 10 targets. |
| 04:33.36 | Amarande | since that room at least doesn't have those fuckwads with their bubbles |
| 04:33.39 | Dewin | Dagmar: Swipe's been 360 for a LONG time. |
| 04:33.48 | Dewin | it's how bears aoe tank. |
| 04:33.54 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:33.59 | eidolarr | i am pretty sure it doesn't include consecrate |
| 04:34.04 | Dagmar | Magmus? |
| 04:34.10 | Amarande | it's been a while since I've bothered to go all the way to Thaurissan though |
| 04:34.19 | Amarande | usually the deepest I go into BRD anymore is to smelt dark iron |
| 04:34.23 | Dewin | Dagmar: No. |
| 04:34.25 | Dewin | umm... one sec |
| 04:34.28 | Dagmar | Lord Incendius? |
| 04:34.39 | Dewin | it wasn't the lycendium, it was really early at the beginning |
| 04:34.44 | DWSR | Amarande: Lava walk. |
| 04:34.48 | Dewin | Bael'gar I think |
| 04:34.49 | Dagmar | Magmus is the guy |
| 04:34.52 | Amarande | heh, Incendius I terminate extremely prejudicially and with a twitchy finger |
| 04:34.56 | Amarande | I seem to recall the bastard has knockback |
| 04:35.05 | Amarande | and I keep thinking of the thought of landing in the stupid lava and having to find my way all the way back up |
| 04:35.07 | Dagmar | Ah... Wait he looks exactly like Bael'Gar so probably B |
| 04:35.12 | eidolarr | yeah but even if he hits you, you can swim to the MC entrance easily enough |
| 04:35.13 | Dewin | yeah, it was Bael'gar. |
| 04:35.17 | Dagmar | I barely see their names |
| 04:35.19 | DWSR | Amarande: Meh, the lava does a static amount of damage. |
| 04:35.27 | Dewin | I pulled almost all of his trash |
| 04:35.31 | Amarande | DWSR: Yeah, it's more the irritation of being knocked totally out of my way |
| 04:35.32 | Dewin | in one pull |
| 04:35.38 | Dagmar | Dewin: I clear it in two |
| 04:35.45 | Dagmar | The key is to use more than one AoE at a time |
| 04:35.50 | Dewin | I could have in two. |
| 04:35.52 | Amarande | and I'm not as familiar with the lava swim paths as I am with the solid ground there |
| 04:35.54 | DWSR | Amarande: You can get to the smelting spot without pulling a single piece of trash at 80. |
| 04:36.02 | Amarande | DWSR: You're probably right. |
| 04:36.03 | Dagmar | Fire trap, Volley, Gorilladin-Thunderstomp, and maybe a snakes trap |
| 04:36.08 | Dewin | even with a paladin spamming heals on me (it was a ret paladin that was level 52...) I went down, though it took like 3 minutes for me to die. |
| 04:36.10 | Amarande | Especially since I can go directly to the Grim Guzzler on that character. |
| 04:36.12 | DWSR | Amarande: I'll cap it for you some time. |
| 04:36.37 | Dewin | Long enough to burn most of my bear tanking cooldowns twice. |
| 04:36.37 | eidolarr | Amarande: there is really only one way to go once you fall in |
| 04:37.06 | Dewin | Two pulls woudl have been easy, as it'd double damage on the adds and mean half the healers at a time |
| 04:37.32 | Dagmar | Dewin: THer'es not really a point in tryng to do it all in one go |
| 04:37.42 | Dagmar | You still have to spend a dog's age clicking on all the bodies to get the loot |
| 04:37.58 | Dagmar | That bit is the upper limit on my acceptable tedium levels |
| 04:38.09 | Dewin | Well, in my particular case I was running a paladin through and I had pass on loot on :) |
| 04:38.25 | Amarande | yeah, I can't really think anymore of any good loot in BRD I can still bother with |
| 04:38.33 | Amarande | I've gotten like forty GAZILLION copies of the engineering recipes |
| 04:38.34 | Ginji | btw, the AoE cap probably doesn't include the poison damage right |
| 04:38.34 | Dewin | which worked well, because they'd just ignore most of the loot as well, and then I'd click anything that sparkled (since corpses with greens still sparkle when you're passing on loot) and they'd disenchant the green |
| 04:38.38 | Amarande | my enchanter already knows fiery |
| 04:38.41 | Dagmar | What's hilarious is to bring someone new in there with you, pull most of that hall, and then run back to them and say "WHY ARE YOU ON THIS SIDE OF THE DOOR!" |
| 04:39.26 | Dewin | I'm not looking forward to all the instancing I'm going to need to do on my mage soon though. Working on Loremaster. |
| 04:39.41 | DWSR | Dewin: You can do it without too much |
| 04:39.52 | Amarande | Meh, to be honest, outside of instances that require you to be in a raid |
| 04:40.06 | Amarande | the only instance an 80 should have any difficulty at all with is UBRS, and that's only on Drakkisath for the most part |
| 04:40.21 | Ginji | Don't forget Chromaggus |
| 04:40.27 | Ginji | With his debuffs |
| 04:40.28 | Dagmar | Wasn't really a problem last time I was there |
| 04:40.49 | Ginji | Oh wait, that's a diff instance |
| 04:40.51 | Amarande | and actually, I'm not sure it's so much Drakk as those goddamned adds of his and their fucking MS |
| 04:40.59 | Dagmar | I think I ressed hte monkey twice because I was sloppy and couldn't remember if there was another boss or not |
| 04:41.11 | Dewin | Amarande: My mage can't possibly solo Drakkisath. My bear could easily. Mage is the one doing loremaster. |
| 04:41.22 | Dewin | (I've attempted Drakkisath solo.) |
| 04:41.25 | Amarande | oh, and the arena event bit in UBRS seems to break a lot if you're too powerful |
| 04:41.38 | Amarande | Thankfully, you can arrive at 550 EK quests easily without needing to solo Drakk. |
| 04:41.51 | Dagmar | There's a quest to solo him? |
| 04:41.57 | Dagmar | nm |
| 04:41.59 | DWSR | There's a quest to kill him |
| 04:41.59 | Dewin | Amarande: Horde suck, btw. |
| 04:42.00 | DWSR | :P |
| 04:42.07 | Dewin | Alliance needs 700 EK + 700 Kalimdor |
| 04:42.12 | Amarande | Dagmar: there's the BWL attunement quest which requires you to nab the orb right behind him |
| 04:42.12 | Ginji | Done that |
| 04:42.14 | Ginji | pre-nerf! |
| 04:42.19 | Dewin | Horde needs like... 550 + 630? |
| 04:42.20 | Amarande | but I've managed to do that without killing him |
| 04:42.24 | Amarande | 550 + 685 |
| 04:42.38 | Dewin | So you guys need 165 fewer quests. |
| 04:42.46 | Dagmar | Yeah, there were some people unamused that I had the attunement and didn't even know why or how I'd gotten it |
| 04:42.54 | Amarande | Dewin: well yeah, at least the achievement system throws ONE bone to the Horde |
| 04:42.59 | Amarande | as I've noted in the past |
| 04:43.05 | Dagmar | "Oh yeah, that thing behind that last guy in UBRS. I sort of remember clicking on that. I was pretty drunk." |
| 04:43.07 | Amarande | it seems that every achievement where it is different ally/horde |
| 04:43.20 | Amarande | in virtually every case, either it's equal, or the inequalities always favor ALLY |
| 04:43.31 | DWSR | Amarande: Quit yer bitchin |
| 04:43.34 | Amarande | I think old world loremaster may be the only major one that favors horde. |
| 04:43.38 | Dagmar | Perhaps the Horde just really like whining. |
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| 04:43.43 | Ginji | Think about the horde questers! It just means the Horde has less content |
| 04:43.48 | Dewin | Amarande: Actually, most of the loremaster quests seem to favor horde, but I didn't look that closely. |
| 04:43.54 | Dewin | Ginji: Or the horde quests pack more content into one quest |
| 04:43.58 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm thinking on strictly mechanical stuff |
| 04:44.01 | Ginji | :P |
| 04:44.05 | Amarande | for instance, Horde have to manage to invade Teldrassil for their explorer |
| 04:44.10 | Amarande | there is no zone that's as protected from Alliance |
| 04:44.20 | Dewin | The beached sea creatures in Darkshore are like 10 quests, all of which are "talk to sea creature. Talk to NPC. Done", and you can do them all simultaneously. |
| 04:44.27 | Dagmar | Since freaking beta horde have whined constantly that Alliance has it easy |
| 04:44.43 | Amarande | Or Merrymaker where Horde has to be 77, while Ally can do it several levels below |
| 04:45.06 | Ginji | Huh? |
| 04:45.12 | Amarande | Ginji: because of Bros before Ho Ho Hos |
| 04:45.25 | Amarande | all the Ally bros are easy to reach, Horde requires one on the freaking icecrown zeppe |
| 04:45.28 | Dagmar | Amarande: When was hte last time you tried to find your damn way around Undercity or Orgrimmar, or for that matter BitchelfTown if you're not horde |
| 04:45.33 | Amarande | which you CANNOT reach pre 77 without massive exploit |
| 04:45.50 | DWSR | Amarande: Or by having the BoA tome. |
| 04:45.53 | eidolarr | Dagmar: which of those seriously impede your exploration of a continent for achievement? |
| 04:46.04 | Dagmar | Or by just having someone summon you up to the thing |
| 04:46.09 | eidolarr | Dagmar: in general you can step in the door, teldrassil you have to run through the capitol city |
| 04:46.19 | Dagmar | eidolarr: Thunder Bluff, Saturday |
| 04:46.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: Actually, you can't summon onto the ship. |
| 04:46.20 | eidolarr | capitole |
| 04:46.27 | Ginji | Amarande: lock summon? |
| 04:46.32 | Dagmar | Practically had to run through the freaking middle of Tauren Town for that |
| 04:46.33 | Amarande | Ginji: you can't summon onto zeppelins |
| 04:46.36 | DWSR | You can't summon onto the ship. |
| 04:46.40 | Ginji | Nerf! |
| 04:46.55 | DWSR | Just like you can't have the circle on the ship. |
| 04:46.55 | Amarande | And honestly it's probably a good thing you can't |
| 04:46.56 | eidolarr | Dagmar: my point is that those cities once you dag the city you're done, teldrassil you need to go through darnassus to get to the island areas |
| 04:47.00 | eidolarr | *tag the city |
| 04:47.02 | Dagmar | So what |
| 04:47.02 | Amarande | since that ship has some serious buggage when it comes to transit magic in general |
| 04:47.09 | Amarande | I still remember the time I tried to HEARTH TO DALARAN while on that ship |
| 04:47.13 | Amarande | and it malfunctioned epically |
| 04:47.17 | eidolarr | so... teldrassil is more protected... |
| 04:47.21 | Dagmar | It's so spread out you can make it through generally in one go |
| 04:47.35 | Dagmar | Oh yeah, and you can actualy have the guards *leash* |
| 04:47.42 | Amarande | eidolarr: indeed, which is why I ended up actually accepting a spirit rez to get in |
| 04:47.44 | Dewin | Amarande: Our server RECENTLY had one of the boats end up in Thousand Needles |
| 04:47.53 | Dagmar | I've yet to see a horde city objective I didn't just have to go ahead and corpse flop |
| 04:47.53 | Amarande | you can avoid going through Darnassus, but only by dying and taking the spirit rez |
| 04:47.58 | Amarande | I know the spot where you need to die, too |
| 04:48.10 | eidolarr | then why try to avoid it haha |
| 04:48.12 | Dewin | Amarande: Fatigue death at sea? |
| 04:48.21 | Amarande | Dewin: Get on the boat going to Darnassus |
| 04:48.25 | Amarande | then jump off before it hits the dock |
| 04:48.27 | Ginji | Meh, I have no issue with Darnassus |
| 04:48.33 | Ginji | The place is so deserted |
| 04:48.33 | Amarande | (this evades the outside guards, as they will not aggro till the boat docks) |
| 04:48.36 | DWSR | No one is ever in Darnassus. |
| 04:48.41 | Amarande | swim around to 74,74 or thereabouts |
| 04:48.50 | Amarande | climb all the way up the tree root and throw yourself down onto the solid ground below it |
| 04:49.03 | Amarande | that spot is linked to Dolanaar graveyard, spirit rez and you're in like Flint |
| 04:49.16 | Dewin | Amarande: You don't even need to take the boat, technically. |
| 04:49.31 | Dewin | It's possible to swim from Teldrassil to Darkshore without dying from fatigue if you have any sort of swim speed |
| 04:49.39 | Ginji | Or water walking |
| 04:49.41 | Jerub | I hate that Silvermoon is both A) Beautiful and B) fucking stupidly large to walk around. |
| 04:49.45 | Amarande | Ah right, and I DO have swim speed |
| 04:49.46 | Dagmar | Water walking is best |
| 04:49.52 | eidolarr | in ruby you do #{var} to expand a var in a string; how do you do that with an array lookup? |
| 04:49.52 | Amarande | because glyph of unending breath = win |
| 04:50.01 | DWSR | Dewin: Even the 20% swim speed from Glyph of Unending Breath? |
| 04:50.05 | Dagmar | Jerub: Yeah they really should install some damn teleporters |
| 04:50.08 | Dewin | DWSR: Probably. |
| 04:50.18 | Dewin | I haven't tried it with anything other than druid swim speed though |
| 04:50.22 | Jerub | Dagmar: that'd be awesome. |
| 04:50.22 | Amarande | perma 20% swim speed boost with basically no cost whatsoever, since pretty much all the other warlock minor glyphs are useless crap? |
| 04:50.25 | Amarande | hell yea. |
| 04:50.34 | DWSR | Amarande: Indeed. |
| 04:50.37 | Dewin | It's hard though, you have to know the exact place to do it and the exact place to aim for |
| 04:50.40 | DWSR | The only other useful one is the CoEx glyph. |
| 04:50.44 | Dagmar | Jerub: If they put a hearth bind point just outside the city, people would use it to leave the auction house |
| 04:50.49 | DWSR | The CoEx glyph is fucking hacks. |
| 04:51.02 | Jerub | Dagmar: hah, lol |
| 04:51.09 | DWSR | 42 yards on a 50% slow? fuck yes. |
| 04:51.16 | Dagmar | Amarande: s/warlock minor/minor/; |
| 04:51.25 | Amarande | Jerub: I think when BC was being designed they thought more people would be in Silvermoon |
| 04:51.36 | Jerub | the glyph of unburdened rebirth is a must have for droods |
| 04:51.39 | Dagmar | Amarande: Do you suppose they thought the people would also be 100 feet tall? |
| 04:51.58 | Jerub | I use TB more and more these days because AH and bank are closer |
| 04:52.00 | Dagmar | The city looks like someone just scaled it up with a zoom function and then fixed the interior spaces |
| 04:52.05 | Amarande | And meh, a few other minor glyphs are usefulish, like the ones that eliminate reagents |
| 04:52.09 | Jerub | but org has a mailbox outside bank now |
| 04:52.34 | Amarande | anyway, my epic fail hearthing |
| 04:52.40 | Amarande | I was on that zepp in Icecrown |
| 04:52.43 | Amarande | tried to hearth and ... |
| 04:52.49 | Amarande | next thing I'm above the water in NW icecrown |
| 04:52.50 | Ginji | lol, I'm always amused by people who spawn a mailbox in the dalaran bank |
| 04:52.53 | Amarande | out in fatiguespace |
| 04:53.03 | Dagmar | Ginji: I'm suprised it lets you |
| 04:53.04 | Amarande | and about two seconds after I hit the water ... I instadie for some reason I STILL don't know |
| 04:53.12 | Amarande | (there were still about 25-30 seconds left on the fatigue timer) |
| 04:53.17 | Amarande | and then I ended up in XR |
| 04:53.24 | Dagmar | Amarande: Perhaps you hit no man's land or something |
| 04:54.10 | Dagmar | Either way it beats being stuck there, unable to hearth |
| 04:54.18 | Dagmar | "Cannot do that while moving" |
| 04:54.28 | eidolarr | once i hearthed to org from darkshore and it pulled me through the terain to org |
| 04:54.36 | DWSR | Amarande: Best glitch I ever had: Entering every BG outside of the other faction's start area. |
| 04:54.44 | eidolarr | took about 5 minutes, every now and then i'd hit the bottom of a river in ashenvale and be swimming real fast |
| 04:54.49 | Amarande | Dagmar: meh, if I hadn't instadied, one of two things would have happened |
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| 04:55.02 | Jerub | i've heard of people falling through the world and ending up in mulgore. |
| 04:55.08 | Dagmar | I've spent 45 minutes running in empty air before, waiting for a GM to summon me out |
| 04:55.08 | Amarande | either I would have been close enough to get out of fatigue in time (I think I might have been, I saw the high mountains not far to the south) |
| 04:55.21 | Amarande | or I would have fatigue-died and had to spirit rez (and I had to spirit rez ANYWAY after the XR glitch) |
| 04:55.51 | Dagmar | Falling through the world has laways had interesting side effects |
| 04:55.51 | Amarande | Dagmar: my worst case of stuck happened in Burning Steppes |
| 04:55.59 | Amarande | and it didn't even involve any unusual glitchiness |
| 04:56.05 | Dagmar | Where you wind up is seldom useful in WoW tho *sigh* |
| 04:56.25 | Dagmar | I remember a bit in the corner of West karanas that got you almost all the way to Queynos in seconds |
| 04:56.35 | Jerub | Dagmar: you got a GM in only 45 minutes? |
| 04:56.36 | Jerub | far out |
| 04:56.39 | Jerub | it takes me 2-3 days. |
| 04:56.40 | Dagmar | We called it taking the underground express |
| 04:56.48 | Adys | http://feeds.arstechnica.com/~r/arstechnica/open-source/~3/-pr_nAae1LE/move-over-australia-france-taking-net-censorship-lead.ars |
| 04:56.51 | Amarande | Jerub: It only took me a half hour when I had the glitch in Terokkar |
| 04:56.52 | Torhal | Dagmar: How did you jump from talking WoW to talking EQ? :) |
| 04:56.53 | Dagmar | Jerub: I'm pretty sure they actually triage tickets. |
| 04:57.09 | Torhal | Nevermind, I just scrolled up |
| 04:57.12 | Torhal | Heh |
| 04:57.13 | Amarande | anyway, case of burning steppes stuck |
| 04:57.16 | Dagmar | Torhal: Because unlike in WoW where where you wind up after you've fallen through the world could be bloody anywhere, in EQ it was fixed per zone |
| 04:57.28 | Amarande | I was circling around the perimeter of the zone gathering thorium |
| 04:57.41 | Amarande | and next thing I found myself in a small rut around 42,62 |
| 04:57.49 | Dagmar | We found a crack in the mesh in the water at the very edge of WK that would pop you up a good ten minutes running time away on the entirely other side of hte zone |
| 04:57.55 | Amarande | and ... try as I might, mounted or no |
| 04:58.04 | Amarande | it defied every attempt at getting out :P |
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| 04:58.12 | Jerub | no one really falls through the world anymore do they? |
| 04:58.20 | DWSR | Jerub: I do. |
| 04:58.20 | Iriel | Amarande: EPL had a couple of those |
| 04:58.21 | Amarande | and this was back in the day when hearthstones had an hour cooldown, too :| |
| 04:58.25 | DWSR | Occasionally. |
| 04:58.25 | Dagmar | Amarande: I suppose the GM ticket of "Help I'm stuck in a rut" was met with laughter |
| 04:58.32 | Amarande | Dagmar: ehh, it didn't go to a GM |
| 04:58.40 | Dagmar | Jerub: Sometimes |
| 04:58.47 | Amarande | I felt like a fool having to ask my guildmates to party me up and summon me to Shattrath though :| |
| 04:58.52 | Dagmar | The game can and will glitch occasionally and just drop you through the floor |
| 04:59.12 | Ginji | Hehe, reminds me of the early days of shadowstep |
| 04:59.17 | Dagmar | Amarande: I'm not in a big guild so I generally start with /1 |
| 04:59.18 | Amarande | If I put in a GM ticket, my hearth would probably have come off CD by the time they got to me, since I only had about 25-30 min left |
| 04:59.18 | Ginji | That was so broken |
| 04:59.34 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.40 | Ginji | I've had GMs ress me cause I couldn't get to my corpse :P |
| 04:59.49 | Amarande | Ginji: lol, I still remember my worst corpse run, too |
| 04:59.58 | Amarande | it involved felwood |
| 04:59.59 | Jerub | hm, for long range comms, /4 was pretty good for a while, nerfed now tho |
| 05:00.10 | Amarande | I was trying to get away from some satyrs that I'd overaggroed |
| 05:00.10 | Ginji | Screw the spirit healer |
| 05:00.12 | Dagmar | Amarande: That's assuming the game hadn't decided you were falling or running permanently, in which cases you can't hearth |
| 05:00.26 | Amarande | Dagmar: didn't seem to have any movement issues |
| 05:00.29 | Jerub | i got my char stuck between felwood and darkshore and couldn't login once. |
| 05:00.33 | Jerub | that was during the fire festival |
| 05:00.42 | Amarande | the pit was just *ever so slightly* too deep to be able to climb out of |
| 05:00.59 | Amarande | I could mount/dismount etc. just fine, too |
| 05:01.01 | Ginji | I think I still have screen of when I fell through Nagrand |
| 05:01.05 | Amarande | just couldn't manage to climb the sides |
| 05:01.20 | Amarande | anyway, the corpse run ... |
| 05:01.31 | Amarande | I fell off of the cliff running from satyrs |
| 05:01.41 | Amarande | died on the border between Darkshore and Felwood |
| 05:01.51 | Amarande | tried to get my corpse, only to find for some reason it was too far up the hill for me to trigger |
| 05:01.57 | Amarande | didn't want to pay for a spirit rez |
| 05:02.01 | Ginji | Exactly! |
| 05:02.15 | Amarande | so I ended up going alllllll the way back around Darkshore, through most of Ashenvale and BACK through Felwood so I could jump off the cliff again AS A GHOST heh |
| 05:02.42 | Ginji | I had the same only I fell off Wintergrasp, and you can't get in WG if you're dead |
| 05:02.43 | Iriel | Oh look, an SC2 beta invite |
| 05:02.45 | Iriel | yay |
| 05:03.10 | Shadowed | Now go make a post asking how to play SC2 |
| 05:03.23 | Iriel | Heh |
| 05:03.28 | Ginji | Why they didn't add flying ghosts for all of northrend is still a mystery to me |
| 05:03.32 | Iriel | I've played it already, and i'm TERRIBLE at it |
| 05:03.36 | Iriel | Hopefully the beta will help |
| 05:04.25 | Amarande | also, speaking of stupid dying tricks |
| 05:04.41 | Amarande | does the resurrect timer for repeated death ever cap out, or is it theoretically possible for it to expand "until tuesday maint"? |
| 05:05.00 | Ginji | heh donno |
| 05:05.15 | Ginji | I don't even know why they put it there |
| 05:05.20 | Shadowed | mmmm |
| 05:05.21 | Ginji | it's annoying as hell |
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| 05:05.34 | Shadowed | So you can't zerg people in PPV mostly |
| 05:05.51 | Shadowed | I think the ressurect timer caps out |
| 05:05.52 | Amarande | actually, I think it was meant to block graveyard zerging in PvE |
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| 05:06.03 | Amarande | otherwise, any idiot would be able to solo, say, the 3-man quest for netherwing |
| 05:06.19 | Shadowed | probably both |
| 05:06.34 | Dagmar | I probably solo'd it on my DK anyway |
| 05:07.26 | Ginji | Speaking of the netherwing people |
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| 05:07.33 | Ginji | You know that race event quest thingy |
| 05:07.40 | Ginji | Where you got dismounted if you got hit |
| 05:07.47 | Jerub | i just soloed all the amiphthere quests on my druid |
| 05:07.58 | Ginji | That apparently was removed when they "fixed" shaman stomp |
| 05:08.10 | Ginji | So now the race is piss easy |
| 05:08.26 | Ginji | Since you can't get dismounted anymore |
| 05:08.40 | Jerub | ahh, blizzard. |
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| 05:09.30 | Amarande | maybe they decided to make it easier to compensate for the fact that you can't use fly speed boosters past 70 unless you are a Paladin |
| 05:09.42 | Ginji | Doubt it |
| 05:09.54 | Amarande | somehow, I don't think it was intended that you should have to get a 310% to win the race if you didn't think to freeze your XP at 70 |
| 05:10.13 | Ginji | It is possible without speed increase |
| 05:10.15 | Jerub | also, am i mad for passing on the netherdrake? i won the roll then passed because I knew I'd never use the blasted thing as a druid. |
| 05:10.22 | Jerub | (did os25+3d zerg last night) |
| 05:10.32 | Amarande | Jerub: that's a different drake |
| 05:10.40 | Amarande | netherdrakes are the ones from SMV in BC |
| 05:10.40 | Jerub | .. which one am i thinking of? |
| 05:10.43 | Jerub | I passed on it |
| 05:10.49 | Ginji | twilight |
| 05:10.53 | Jerub | that's the one. |
| 05:11.22 | Amarande | heh, a twilight drake |
| 05:11.28 | Amarande | should be combined with a San'layn costume |
| 05:12.58 | Jerub | after doing the zerg method last night, i'm wondering why people do it? is killing the drakes in sequence really that hard? |
| 05:13.11 | Jerub | it can't be harder than composing a raid entirely of 5-12k dps.. |
| 05:15.13 | Amarande | it must be faster to do the zerg |
| 05:15.21 | Amarande | remember, people don't care about style or technique or anything like that in a pug |
| 05:15.25 | Amarande | they just want to do it quick |
| 05:15.51 | Amarande | meh |
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| 05:15.55 | Amarande | people suck all the fun out of it |
| 05:16.16 | Jerub | this was a guild run |
| 05:16.19 | Jerub | i was the only pugged member |
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| 05:19.24 | Arrowmaster | maybe they just suck too much to do anything remotely complex |
| 05:20.29 | Jerub | they certainly knew how to pull the damage. |
| 05:21.03 | Jerub | far out. I was benched from healing because they didn't need it, and they put me on the first drake |
| 05:21.08 | Jerub | (tanking) |
| 05:21.22 | Jerub | so I got to just look on in wonder looking at mages doing 10-12k dps |
| 05:22.17 | Amarande | wonders what the DPS standards will be in Cata ... |
| 05:22.31 | Amarande | You know, if 10-12k DPS is already the case now, with the DPS that we'll be up to in Cata |
| 05:22.39 | Amarande | it almost makes one wonder if 85 dailies will be worth doing |
| 05:22.53 | Amarande | when you can do the 80 dailies and just blow away every mob in a second or less through sheer POWAR |
| 05:22.55 | Jerub | Amarande: how does that follow? |
| 05:23.00 | Jerub | oh, right. |
| 05:23.11 | Jerub | yeah, i've considered going and doing the level 70 dailies |
| 05:23.14 | Amarande | and they'll still be green at 85, anyway |
| 05:24.10 | Jerub | Amarande: then agian, bear in mind that a newly popped 80 can barely do 2k. |
| 05:24.28 | Dagmar | People will still be asking for largely fictional DPS figures in PUGs during Cata. |
| 05:24.30 | Jerub | Amarande: i reckon the raid gear we have at the moment will be maybe on-par with 85 gear. |
| 05:25.21 | Jerub | meaning the ilvl 258/264 stuff |
| 05:25.38 | Jerub | also, they're rewriting the stats stuf |
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| 05:26.51 | Arrowmaster | theyve fucking got a 64 item level difference in epic gear at the same level, theyre going to have to bump the 85 blues to atleast 300 at this point |
| 05:29.17 | Dagmar | That's the reason I'm keeping everything I get > ilvl 200 |
| 05:29.28 | Dagmar | God only knows how the stats will play out but I'LL HAVE IT ALL SO HAH |
| 05:29.40 | Jerub | Dagmar: far out. |
| 05:29.46 | Jerub | Dagmar: i have 4 armor sets in my bags |
| 05:29.56 | Dagmar | I mean I did chuck some 213's the other day, but that was because I had four upgrades above it for that slot |
| 05:30.19 | Dagmar | I only really keep three, sort of. |
| 05:30.50 | Dagmar | I've got my three-piece "crazy messican" stuff, my three pieces of major frost resist, and then "everything I've gotten in the last couple of months" |
| 05:31.21 | Dagmar | ...mainly because I'll dress down for pugs |
| 05:31.21 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Tokrim |
| 05:31.23 | Arrowmaster | suck it |
| 05:32.10 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Damn that would be AWESOME to show up for a PUG in |
| 05:32.41 | Dagmar | "That's right. I'm wearing T7 damnya." |
| 05:33.27 | Dagmar | I've got the frost resist in my bag from being asked to pug that dragon in Naxx and not actually having it on me |
| 05:33.36 | Dagmar | Now I just carry them all the damn time |
| 05:33.51 | Arrowmaster | are you a tank or something? |
| 05:34.00 | Dagmar | No, I'm a hunter. |
| 05:34.06 | Dagmar | ...and a bit of a pack rat |
| 05:34.25 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck would you use frost resist on saph |
| 05:34.34 | Dagmar | If you're the only person who remembered to bring that crafted frost resist gear, you *will* be at the bottom of damage taken |
| 05:34.46 | Dagmar | ....and even if hte healers are stoned out of their minds you'll probably make it |
| 05:35.24 | Arrowmaster | got any frozen runes? if you do i could reactivate my account and make you some FR gear |
| 05:35.34 | Arrowmaster | yes ive got those patterns =D |
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| 05:35.55 | Dagmar | I've got the three I made myself, and they're probably enough |
| 05:36.11 | Arrowmaster | im referring to the lvl 60 naxx frost gear |
| 05:36.12 | Dagmar | I have some frozen thing or other in my bank that I've just been hanging onto |
| 05:36.30 | Arrowmaster | that used reagents from naxx that nolonger exist |
| 05:36.36 | Dagmar | Being that I can't just make myself completely immune, I'm not worrying about it much |
| 05:36.47 | Dagmar | If I *could* tho I'd be all over it |
| 05:37.05 | Arrowmaster | i used to have max fire resist in both classic and tbc |
| 05:37.13 | Dagmar | I'd gleefully stand outside the lee of the ice cubes and ask people "What are you guys hiding for?" |
| 05:37.21 | Dagmar | ...just for the reaction. |
| 05:37.49 | Dagmar | Besides which I am somewhat obligated to carry that gear around being that I nearly wiped my guild the second time we went in there |
| 05:37.54 | Arrowmaster | i had a pocket druid on firemaw at times, that was fun to see peoples reactions on |
| 05:38.06 | Dagmar | I got a little freaked out about something and actually broke out of the ice cube. |
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| 05:38.20 | Arrowmaster | you can do that? |
| 05:38.24 | Dagmar | I had about a second to think "Ooops" and run the 5 feet to get behind the other. |
| 05:38.27 | Dagmar | Yes, yes you can. lol |
| 05:38.59 | Dagmar | I *think* it was the PvP trinket that I used to get out of it |
| 05:39.03 | Arrowmaster | lol |
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| 05:50.57 | bleeter | SC2 already on the torrent sites, eh? |
| 05:50.58 | Fisker | ~seen AckisWork |
| 05:50.59 | purl | ackiswork is currently on #wowuidev (24m 16s) #arl (24m 16s) #wowace (24m 16s) #curseforge (24m 16s), last said: 'you can talk here?'. |
| 05:51.06 | bleeter | colour me unsurprised if it's true |
| 05:51.07 | Fisker | duh bleeter it's a torrent |
| 05:51.17 | bleeter | Fisker: didn't even know it was already out :P |
| 05:53.08 | Kraps | win http://io9.com/5458425/is-vat+grown-meat-kosher-we-asked-a-rabbi |
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| 05:54.58 | bleeter | Fisker: buy me a beta key :P |
| 05:58.40 | Fisker | no buy me one |
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| 06:33.53 | Fisker | fu fu |
| 06:33.55 | Fisker | fufufu |
| 06:33.57 | Fisker | fu fu |
| 06:34.00 | Fisker | fufufu |
| 06:34.04 | Fisker | fu fu fufufufufufufu |
| 06:34.27 | Fisker | (btw i'm composing the Starcraft 2 main menu theme in fu's) |
| 06:36.54 | Shirik | sets mode #wowuidev -fu |
| 06:37.34 | Fisker | beeeeeeeeeeeeeetaaaaaaaaaaaa me |
| 06:37.42 | Shirik | gives Fisker a beet |
| 06:37.47 | Fisker | :( |
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| 06:46.43 | Torhal | /headdesks |
| 06:46.54 | Torhal | FUcking VLC doesn't see my new USB headset |
| 06:47.04 | Torhal | shakes his fist at Fisker. |
| 06:49.32 | Jerub | Torhal: what OS? |
| 06:50.19 | Jerub | Torhal: i use a USB headsets in linux and mac and know their tricksy ways. |
| 06:50.25 | Torhal | Jerub: Gentoo. |
| 06:50.40 | Fisker | don't vlc bro |
| 06:50.43 | Torhal | The machine sees it just fine. It shows up under alsamixer and also under KDE's mixer |
| 06:50.48 | Torhal | VLC, however, does not see it |
| 06:51.01 | Jerub | assuming pulse and gnome, go to sound preferences (rightclick on volume control), select the output tab and select the usb device. |
| 06:51.06 | Arrowmaster | you dont know tricksy till youve run into the problem i had with mplayer |
| 06:51.12 | Jerub | hm, don't know about kde specifically, but if you're looking in alsa, you're in the wrong place. |
| 06:51.44 | Arrowmaster | i seriously have 'ao=alsa:noblock:device=default' in my mplayer config |
| 06:51.46 | Jerub | seeing as it's gentoo, i have no idea what your particular system has set up as its sound system. |
| 06:52.17 | Jerub | if you can get pulseaudio not fucking up, it's the way to go. |
| 06:52.30 | Fisker | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/8b097b91ae41feb8619eb2112c5f8f98.png |
| 06:52.39 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: thats an oxymoron |
| 06:53.43 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: no, you're an oxymoron |
| 06:53.58 | digmouse | WTB Starcraft 2 beta access :( |
| 06:54.07 | Fisker | you need a jerk license digmouse |
| 06:54.42 | Arrowmaster | im over qualified, ive got an asshat license |
| 06:55.03 | Fisker | Compared to jerks i'm like the president of jerks |
| 06:55.06 | Fisker | or something |
| 06:55.21 | haste | then why haven't you given me a sc2 beta key Fisker ! |
| 06:55.38 | Fisker | because i hate you |
| 06:55.51 | haste | :V |
| 06:55.53 | durcyn | fisker |
| 06:55.59 | durcyn | did you get your sc2 beta invite |
| 06:56.02 | durcyn | because i got mine. |
| 06:57.15 | Fisker | As Arrowmaster stated, it appears we are overqualified |
| 06:57.29 | Fisker | feel free to share |
| 06:57.38 | Fisker | because sharing is caring <3 |
| 06:57.38 | durcyn | well it appears i'm exactly the right kind of qualified |
| 06:59.48 | durcyn | http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=312gvg9&s=6 |
| 07:01.46 | durcyn | where'd you go Fisker |
| 07:02.12 | Fisker | engb btw? |
| 07:02.35 | durcyn | enUS |
| 07:02.40 | Fisker | then you fai |
| 07:02.42 | Fisker | fail |
| 07:02.48 | durcyn | pffft. |
| 07:03.11 | durcyn | there's only one localization available yet anyway |
| 07:03.15 | Arrowmaster | why must you use a shitty imagehost |
| 07:03.16 | durcyn | no kekekeke zerg players yet |
| 07:03.27 | durcyn | insult to injury, obviously |
| 07:03.33 | Fisker | tinypic = forfeiting beta to me |
| 07:04.31 | durcyn | i can rehost it on imageshack if you want to see 65% |
| 07:04.35 | Torhal | Meh. VLC was just retarded |
| 07:04.49 | Torhal | I had to show advanced controls, then refresh the list of audio deviced. |
| 07:04.54 | Torhal | devices* |
| 07:06.43 | Fisker | btw durcyn |
| 07:06.46 | Fisker | if i were you |
| 07:07.04 | Fisker | i'd totally give me your password |
| 07:07.37 | durcyn | password will do you no good without my authenticator |
| 07:07.44 | durcyn | should i mail you my iphone |
| 07:08.20 | Fisker | sure |
| 07:08.23 | Fisker | or just tell me the digits |
| 07:08.26 | Fisker | or unattach it |
| 07:08.30 | durcyn | sure, sure |
| 07:08.32 | Fisker | btw was yours just there or did you get a cd-key? |
| 07:08.33 | durcyn | i'll do that tomorrow |
| 07:08.39 | durcyn | there's no key for the beta |
| 07:08.49 | Fisker | some people say they get a key |
| 07:09.54 | durcyn | http://yfrog.com/1rsc1vj |
| 07:19.20 | Fisker | btw durcyn |
| 07:19.27 | Fisker | http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy356/centauri300/finallybeta.png?t=1266476349 <-it r appears i r right |
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| 07:22.37 | Taroven | Go figure. Guildie asks for a little font tweak for my oUF layout, and I end up embedding oUF, fixing ~10 bugs, changing the frame layout a bit, and revamping a bunch of functions. |
| 07:23.11 | Arrowmaster | 2.86:1 video looks weird on a 4:3 monitor |
| 07:23.34 | Arrowmaster | its less than half my screen |
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| 07:48.37 | kd3 | whee. beta invite |
| 07:48.44 | Duman | grats ;) |
| 07:50.13 | demyze | anyone have any good ref material on how would I not have the default bag open but my own bag frame? |
| 07:51.48 | kd3 | take a look at any bag mod? like OneBag3? |
| 07:52.43 | demyze | most use Ace and I want to avoid libs so I can learn better |
| 07:53.20 | mitch0 | demyze: learn the interesting stuff, not the grudgework... |
| 07:54.23 | demyze | I'm a low level programmer like 3d engines ect. I'm more interested in how WoW has exposed hooks via lua than the actual mod. |
| 07:59.10 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 07:59.11 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 07:59.17 | Fisker | give me your invite |
| 07:59.20 | Fisker | or i hate you |
| 07:59.22 | Arrowmaster | demyze: Bagnon |
| 07:59.50 | Arrowmaster | afaik it doesnt use any libraries |
| 08:00.16 | Arrowmaster | except maybe for the config gui |
| 08:00.17 | demyze | great thanx. I was about to tear open ACE and run through its code |
| 08:00.34 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 08:00.36 | Arrowmaster | ace doesnt have anything for handling bags |
| 08:00.38 | Fisker | why won't you love me? |
| 08:01.17 | Torhal | demyze: It isn't an acronym. It's Ace, not ACE. |
| 08:01.38 | nevcairiel | Accidental Capslock Error, imho |
| 08:02.03 | nevcairiel | Ace Coding Environment? |
| 08:02.04 | Torhal | Heh |
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| 08:02.44 | Torhal | Absolute Cranial Entropy |
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| 08:03.30 | Arrowmaster | demyze: if you are just interesting in the WoW API have a look at wowprogramming.com and the api documentation it has |
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| 08:04.32 | nevcairiel | I believe the second edition book even has you write a bag mod |
| 08:04.45 | nevcairiel | as a tutorial for some chapters |
| 08:06.29 | demyze | I picked up that book today, but haven't gotten too far into it. |
| 08:07.07 | Arrowmaster | the second edition? |
| 08:07.11 | demyze | yeah |
| 08:08.45 | demyze | figured it has something to do with the function hook for the bag to opening and running my own stuff, just wanted to be sure |
| 08:08.49 | Fisker | I HATE LFG |
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| 08:09.11 | demyze | I hate lrf worse |
| 08:09.25 | Fisker | this is unacceptable on so many level |
| 08:09.36 | Fisker | druid tank with 22,8k hp buffed |
| 08:09.47 | Fisker | that's including luck of the draw, fort and mark |
| 08:09.53 | Fisker | how the fuck is that even possible? |
| 08:10.03 | Fisker | OMG NOW HE GOES AFK FOR 5 MINUTES |
| 08:10.04 | Fisker | >:EEEEEEEE |
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| 08:10.35 | demyze | the votekick should be able to be invoked sooner imo for that reason |
| 08:12.15 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormscale&cn=Balu |
| 08:12.18 | Fisker | nice gear bro |
| 08:13.32 | demyze | heroics or normal? |
| 08:14.38 | Fisker | heroic |
| 08:14.53 | Fisker | Took us 6 minutes to go from the start of UK to just part the first anvil |
| 08:15.04 | Fisker | and then he said "I just gotta go afk for 5 minutes" |
| 08:15.50 | mikma | lol |
| 08:16.05 | mikma | you wouldn't afk in fisker group |
| 08:18.41 | demyze | all I have to say is /cry. thanks for the info all, found what I needed, hooksecurefunc('CloseBackpack', function() self:HideFrame('inventory') |
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| 08:24.26 | Elkano | *random fun url* http://www.devtopics.com/101-great-computer-programming-quotes/ |
| 08:26.43 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AhEIWTjMig#t7m30s <-lol the people playing SC2 |
| 08:28.24 | Arrowmaster | âMost software today is very much like an Egyptian pyramid with millions of bricks piled on top of each other, with no structural integrity, but just done by brute force and thousands of slaves.â (Alan Kay) |
| 08:28.30 | Arrowmaster | haha so true |
| 08:32.42 | Arrowmaster | âThereâs an old story about the person who wished his computer were as easy to use as his telephone. That wish has come true, since I no longer know how to use my telephone.â (Bjarne Stroustrup) |
| 08:35.14 | zenzio | "If the automobile had followed the same development cycle as the computer, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and explode once a year, killing everyone inside." <-- well, Toyota is getting close |
| 08:36.01 | Arrowmaster | 43, 45, 46 are so true |
| 08:36.09 | Fisker | OMG |
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| 08:36.14 | Fisker | Starcraft 2 is no longer a Games for Windows title |
| 08:36.15 | Fisker | wee |
| 08:36.28 | Arrowmaster | 49 too |
| 08:36.35 | Fisker | wee with me zenzio |
| 08:36.39 | Fisker | and give me a beta key |
| 08:36.47 | zenzio | wee |
| 08:36.51 | Arrowmaster | âWriting code has a place in the human hierarchy worth somewhere above grave robbing and beneath managing.â (Gerald Weinberg) |
| 08:36.52 | Fisker | wee |
| 08:37.31 | Arrowmaster | âThe best thing about a boolean is even if you are wrong, you are only off by a bit.â |
| 08:37.34 | Arrowmaster | so bad |
| 08:38.18 | Arrowmaster | âPHP is a minor evil perpetrated and created by incompetent amateurs, whereas Perl is a great and insidious evil perpetrated by skilled but perverted professionals.â (Jon Ribbens) |
| 08:38.22 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 08:38.23 | zenzio | "The most amazing achievement of the computer software industry is its continuing cancellation of the steady and staggering gains made by the computer hardware industry." - truth |
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| 08:39.08 | Arrowmaster | âI think Microsoft named .Net so it wouldnât show up in a Unix directory listing.â (Oktal) |
| 08:39.23 | mikma | hah |
| 08:39.57 | Fisker | failure |
| 08:40.21 | Arrowmaster | âFifty years of programming language research, and we end up with C++?â (Richard A. OâKeefe) |
| 08:40.43 | Arrowmaster | âJava is, in many ways, C++â.â (Michael Feldman) |
| 08:40.49 | Elkano | the ones on Java aren't that bad, either ^^ |
| 08:41.13 | Arrowmaster | âSaying that Java is nice because it works on all OSes is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.â (Alanna) |
| 08:41.40 | Arrowmaster | âFine, Java MIGHT be a good example of what a programming language should be like. But Java applications are good examples of what applications SHOULDNâT be like.â (pixadel) |
| 08:41.49 | Arrowmaster | âIf Java had true garbage collection, most programs would delete themselves upon execution.â (Robert Sewell) |
| 08:41.58 | Arrowmaster | yes i pasted all the java ones because they are all worth it |
| 08:44.08 | Arrowmaster | âDebugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you areâby definitionânot smart enough to debug it.â (Brian Kernighan) |
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| 08:45.12 | Arrowmaster | âIf McDonalds were run like a software company, one out of every hundred Big Macs would give you food poisoning, and the response would be, âWeâre sorry, hereâs a coupon for two more.â â (Mark Minasi) |
| 08:46.26 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 08:46.32 | Fisker | hold me |
| 08:46.53 | Wobin | holds me |
| 08:48.14 | Arrowmaster | i found the 101 more quotes |
| 08:48.16 | mikma | i was gonna scream "it's a trap" but wobin outsmarted fister |
| 08:48.21 | Arrowmaster | âAll parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you canât get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer.â â IBM Manual, 1925 |
| 08:48.39 | Arrowmaster | âStandards are always out of date. Thatâs what makes them standards.â â Alan Bennett |
| 08:49.35 | Fisker | I just want to play Starcraft 2 Wobin ;( |
| 08:50.18 | Wobin | I would say "I understand your pain" |
| 08:50.23 | Wobin | but I don't like RTS |
| 08:50.25 | Wobin | so I don't |
| 08:50.28 | Arrowmaster | âThe best way to get accurate information on Usenet is to post something wrong and wait for corrections.â â Matthew Austern |
| 08:53.04 | nevcairiel | s/Usernet/the Internet/ |
| 08:53.08 | nevcairiel | -r |
| 08:53.11 | nevcairiel | fail me :( |
| 08:53.14 | Elkano | I sucked at SC, I sucked at WC3... why would I want to play SC2? :( |
| 08:53.14 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AhEIWTjMig#t=3m2s |
| 08:53.18 | Fisker | feel my pain Wobin |
| 08:56.39 | Arrowmaster | âThereâs no obfuscated Perl contest because itâs pointless.â â Jeff Polk |
| 08:57.10 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 08:57.14 | Arrowmaster | âIt was a joke, okay? If we thought it would actually be used, we wouldnât have written it!â â Mark Andreesen, speaking of the HTML tag BLINK |
| 08:57.57 | nevcairiel | what would the geocities era be without blink and marquee |
| 08:58.23 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, Perl is pretty much the only WORN language used commonly... |
| 09:01.28 | Arrowmaster | âBefore man reaches the moon, mail will be delivered within hours from New York to California, to Britain, to India or Australia.â â Arthur Summerfield, 1959, United States Post |
| 09:01.35 | Arrowmaster | still working on that one |
| 09:01.53 | nevcairiel | he lost anyway, we did reach the moon |
| 09:02.34 | smcn | anyone know the name of the nameplate mod darksend on tankspot uses? example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNLRDuEMT-Q |
| 09:02.44 | Fisker | that's what the liberals want you to think nevcairiel |
| 09:05.09 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, are we? What's email? |
| 09:05.56 | nevcairiel | we still reached the moon before we had email! |
| 09:14.25 | wereHamster | at which university does shirik study? |
| 09:18.27 | Antiarc | I've done it. |
| 09:18.31 | Antiarc | I've found the end of humanity. |
| 09:18.40 | Antiarc | The logical culmination of our race. |
| 09:18.47 | Antiarc | The very pinnacle of all that we may ever hope to achieve. |
| 09:18.48 | Antiarc | http://ijpeffwa.friendsofsmash.co.uk/ |
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| 09:25.59 | Fisker | you are wrong Antiarc |
| 09:26.05 | Fisker | SC2 beta is the end of humanity |
| 09:26.15 | Fisker | and speaking of which |
| 09:26.16 | Fisker | got one? |
| 09:26.39 | Fisker | We could consider it a compensation for your lack of work on blessed :P |
| 09:26.47 | Antiarc | I do not have one :( |
| 09:26.52 | Antiarc | also I accept patches |
| 09:27.14 | Fisker | i'm F5'ing my b.net account |
| 09:27.22 | Fisker | since some people are apparently added there |
| 09:27.27 | Fisker | and then get an e-mail later on |
| 09:32.53 | zenzio | seems like only Ubisoft thinks their new "you must be online!" DRM thing is a good idea |
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| 09:33.24 | Fisker | it's awright |
| 09:34.38 | zenzio | sounds to me like a horrible idea |
| 09:34.54 | zenzio | I don't even like the Steam thing, this is way beyond that |
| 09:35.20 | Fisker | you're being trolled zenzio |
| 09:35.23 | zenzio | always |
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| 09:56.15 | Sixen | ~kd3 |
| 09:56.21 | Sixen | hai |
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| 10:06.45 | xqo | Hi! |
| 10:06.54 | xqo | Does UNIT_AURA not fire when a buff expires? |
| 10:07.50 | xqo | i don't mean when you cancel it, but when it expires from timing out |
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| 10:08.54 | olafski | wow.. a 50k hp DK tank who doesn't use diseases |
| 10:14.27 | olafski | I guess it could be a valid tactic for a blood spec.. but with 1.8k dps in a heroic he's doing something wrong : |
| 10:15.41 | nevcairiel | even in blood spec you gain alot from diseases |
| 10:16.06 | olafski | yeah I use them at all times |
| 10:16.12 | olafski | he just does D&D and then spams blood boil it seems |
| 10:16.25 | nevcairiel | its kinda nice if you have multiple DKs that refresh your diseases with pestilence as well, though =) |
| 10:16.39 | nevcairiel | doesnt blood boil increase on diseases too? or did they change that? |
| 10:17.12 | Legorol | olafski: he's probably just relaxing |
| 10:17.22 | Legorol | i know the feeling, if you tank a lot then in a heroic you don't want to bother too much |
| 10:17.28 | Legorol | mobs often die too quickly for diseases anyway |
| 10:17.42 | Legorol | it's fine to go in, put a DnD down, and start heartstrike/blood boiling |
| 10:17.59 | nevcairiel | oh wait they nerfed pestilence to no longer spread other players diseases, didnt they? |
| 10:18.09 | Legorol | nevcairiel: did it ever? :O |
| 10:18.16 | Legorol | if it did, that was a bug, and must've been really early on |
| 10:18.18 | nevcairiel | yeah, in 3.0 it spread all diseases on the target |
| 10:18.25 | nevcairiel | and the tooltip said it would |
| 10:18.42 | Legorol | they must've nerfed that a long time ago, by the time i was 80 it wasn't doing that |
| 10:19.01 | Legorol | pestilence is still very powerful :o) |
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| 10:19.25 | Legorol | i consider it the most powerful aoe tanking spell of all 4 tanking classes |
| 10:19.29 | olafski | legorol: I do most of the damage in a heroic usually, so I do everything :P even if it's easy |
| 10:19.44 | Legorol | olafski: nothing wrong with your approach, you feel you want to contribute |
| 10:19.44 | mikma | i love tanking with blood spec, and frost spec |
| 10:19.54 | mikma | currently have blood-spec |
| 10:19.57 | olafski | no I want to hurry, legorol :) |
| 10:20.00 | olafski | I'm frost specced tho |
| 10:20.01 | Legorol | also nothing wrong with a tank that just wants to relax as much as possible (bear in mind tank has the most responsibility still, and dps can slack even more) |
| 10:20.07 | olafski | so I just use frost fever |
| 10:20.23 | nevcairiel | frost specced is so much more complicated then blood spec, imho |
| 10:20.34 | Legorol | nevcairiel, i disagree, at least for 5-mans |
| 10:20.44 | olafski | D&D, howling blast, blood boil, wait until dead |
| 10:20.47 | Legorol | blood has trouble chain pulling packs if not specced for DnD |
| 10:21.00 | nevcairiel | shrug, i dont have issues |
| 10:21.00 | Legorol | HB is awesome, makes your life easy |
| 10:21.06 | Legorol | if you don't hav issues, great |
| 10:21.07 | nevcairiel | HB was awesome |
| 10:21.10 | nevcairiel | its been nerfed to hell |
| 10:21.15 | Legorol | i still think blood is harder to tank heroics with than frost |
| 10:21.32 | nevcairiel | frost has alot more stuff you need to micromanage |
| 10:21.37 | Legorol | (btw, i'm a blood hater who is forced to use it almost all the time) |
| 10:21.44 | Legorol | micromanage? |
| 10:22.02 | Legorol | you mean KM/Rime and such? |
| 10:22.52 | Legorol | laters |
| 10:22.59 | nevcairiel | with blood i can basically use two skills all the time, and i can have 6 death runes |
| 10:23.06 | nevcairiel | or 2 blood and 4 death |
| 10:25.12 | nevcairiel | i switched from frost to blood for 3.3 and the LFD thing, and it felt so much easier to manage |
| 10:25.19 | olafski | doesn't seem too hard to micro frost :s |
| 10:27.00 | mikma | i use same spec in 10/25 raid and in heroics |
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| 10:32.32 | Spectre | Hey Guys, I am using Frame:SetScript("OnHyperlinkClick",function(self, linkData, link, button) SetItemRef(link,linkData,button) end) to make links clickable in a ScrollingMessageFrame, it works fine except that Profession Links don't work, anyone know what I'd have to do to make them work? |
| 10:33.01 | mikma | inspect the links |
| 10:33.17 | mikma | professionlink is not the same as itemlink |
| 10:34.27 | Spectre | So I'm going to need to workout if its an item link and use SetItemRef(link,linkData,button), and use another command otherwise |
| 10:37.27 | Spectre | Once I have determined whether it is an Item Link or a Profession Link, what command do I use to show the linked profession? |
| 10:43.13 | Spectre | anyone? I'm looking through the API and not seeing anything that sounds like what I need. |
| 10:45.55 | mikma | afaik, professionlink aint "SetItemRef" |
| 10:46.00 | mikma | its for items |
| 10:47.00 | Spectre | yea I gathered that, do you have any idea what I would use to open the Profession that has been linked? |
| 10:47.19 | mikma | !api Prof |
| 10:47.20 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'Prof': debugprofilestop, debugprofilestart |
| 10:47.34 | mikma | !api Ref |
| 10:47.39 | lua_bot | Found 13 possible matches for 'Ref'. Please be more specific |
| 10:48.47 | Fisker | first i was like |
| 10:48.52 | xqo | How do i save the position of a draggable frame for the next time i load the UI? I have found http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_SetUserPlaced, but I can't get it to work |
| 10:49.00 | Fisker | I'm gonna troll the SC2 ui so i can play offline |
| 10:49.10 | Fisker | Then SC2 was like "Well i'll just gonna crash then" |
| 10:49.20 | Fisker | Then SC2 was like "Problem Officer?" |
| 10:50.25 | xqo | my Frame is created with xml |
| 10:50.34 | xqo | and not CreateFrame(), if that helps |
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| 10:57.51 | xqo | anyone? |
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| 11:17.03 | Shirik | wereHamster |
| 11:17.13 | Shirik | http://db.erau..edu |
| 11:17.20 | Shirik | without the extra . |
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| 11:29.53 | zenzio | http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1554450&cid=31181930 |
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| 11:34.38 | olafski | wow that's a pretty brutal DRM |
| 11:35.54 | foxlit | I'm guessing... AC2. |
| 11:36.02 | zenzio | and Settlers VII apparently |
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| 11:37.32 | Kaso | Could it be that that drm is only on press preview copies? to stop it leaking through that avenue? |
| 11:37.55 | zenzio | I haven't seen mention of that, but we can only hope |
| 11:37.57 | foxlit | Kaso: I'd imagine ubisoft PR would be making public noises in that case. |
| 11:38.14 | foxlit | http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5181026566/m/3831008728 |
| 11:38.22 | olafski | didn't even know settlers vii is out |
| 11:38.23 | olafski | nice stuff |
| 11:38.34 | olafski | (or that they were working on it :P) |
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| 11:39.13 | foxlit | "Will I need to be online the whole time when I play the game? Including for single player? |
| 11:39.13 | foxlit | Yes. You will need to have an active Internet connection to play the game, for all game modes. " |
| 11:39.25 | zenzio | I find it an annoying way to do things, but I must say there are good things about it; judging from that first question |
| 11:39.27 | foxlit | [hi2u, sc2] |
| 11:40.21 | foxlit | Meh. Online save storage? |
| 11:41.05 | zenzio | that and (no-cracks-necessary) no-CD mode |
| 11:41.18 | zenzio | I'd still prefer the old ways though |
| 11:42.03 | foxlit | It's a sufficient slap in the face to hold off on AC2 until their servers shut down, really. |
| 11:42.28 | zenzio | I just got AC2 for the Xbox instead. Feels easier to control there anyhow |
| 11:42.59 | olafski | great game too ;) |
| 11:43.26 | zenzio | I'm not sure if I'd go that far, but I certainly didn't regret buying it |
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| 11:48.17 | olafski | I already liked the first one, this one's better.. :) |
| 11:48.25 | olafski | nearly got all the achievements for it too |
| 11:48.44 | zenzio | I liked both games a lot, I'm just not sure I'd call them "great" |
| 11:49.08 | olafski | my taste in games seem to differ from most xbox gamers :> |
| 11:49.23 | olafski | as in I don't drool over gears of war or mass effect =) |
| 11:49.25 | zenzio | mine too. I don't usually buy games for the Xbox |
| 11:49.34 | olafski | and I absolutely love crackdown |
| 11:49.39 | zenzio | well, I do drool over Mass Effect, but I play it on the PC |
| 11:51.22 | olafski | :) |
| 11:51.31 | olafski | don't like it.. nor borderlands |
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| 11:59.07 | xqo | How do i save the position of a draggable frame for the next time i load the UI? I have found http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_SetUserPlaced, but I can't get it to work |
| 11:59.25 | cbreak | does it have a name? |
| 11:59.54 | xqo | the frame? |
| 12:00.28 | xqo | yes, <Frame name="... |
| 12:01.12 | xqo | this is the frame-string, <Frame name="xqoNTK_ModifierFrame" parent="UIParent" hidden="false"> |
| 12:01.15 | cbreak | and you set user placed to true? |
| 12:01.36 | xqo | yes, |
| 12:01.47 | xqo | I have a slashcommand that locks and unlocks it |
| 12:02.03 | foxlit | [You shouldn't have to touch SetUserPlaced at all] |
| 12:02.13 | xqo | it is when the frame is locked again that I do: xqoNTK_ModifierFrame:SetUserPlaced(true) |
| 12:02.30 | xqo | i can paste |
| 12:03.15 | xqo | http://pastey.net/133167 |
| 12:03.16 | foxlit | Wait, the frame isn't movable? |
| 12:04.07 | xqo | oh wait, i can set it as movable all the time, but just disable the OnMouseDown when i need to? |
| 12:04.12 | foxlit | add movable="true" to your XML; remove all calls to SetMovable and SetUserPlaced from your Lua |
| 12:04.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Ycarene (jporterf@24-116-56-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 12:06.21 | xqo | that worked, thanks!! |
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| 12:13.53 | Shirik | .... |
| 12:13.57 | elec29a | do you know an addon thats showing me T10 4er set bonus proc +10% damage |
| 12:14.00 | Shirik | have the pokemon guys run out of colors or something? |
| 12:14.09 | Shirik | "New pokemon heartgold and soulsilver" <-- wat? |
| 12:14.17 | olafski | :D |
| 12:14.31 | nevcairiel | You're weird for caring about that. |
| 12:16.28 | Shadowed | what |
| 12:16.32 | Shadowed | heartgold and soulsilver? |
| 12:16.34 | Shadowed | Did they run out of colors |
| 12:18.43 | xqo | yes |
| 12:18.53 | xqo | elec29a, you a hunter? |
| 12:19.02 | foxlit | There are lots of colors you simply can't use |
| 12:19.16 | foxlit | "Pokemon Blood Red" would get instant objections, for example |
| 12:20.34 | elec29a | no deep daemon warlock |
| 12:20.51 | imbrandon | powa |
| 12:21.02 | imbrandon | you can make it show anything iirc |
| 12:21.18 | elec29a | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Madmortem&cn=Vulcor |
| 12:22.46 | olafski | mister nevcairiel, you're german right? could you translate a sentence to german for me? :$ (preferrably from Dutch but I assume you know English better :)) |
| 12:22.57 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 12:23.21 | olafski | nevcairiel: "The online specialist for your tennis, squash and badminton needs" (I already translated it to english, hence why I'd prefer if it's from dutch ;)) |
| 12:23.38 | Shirik | foxlit: Why not "Pokemon Pantone 130C" |
| 12:23.46 | olafski | LOL shirik |
| 12:24.01 | olafski | pokemon snakebite leather? pokemon bleached bone? |
| 12:24.09 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 12:24.14 | Fisker | i am not in the starcraft 2 beta |
| 12:24.16 | Fisker | therefor i hate you |
| 12:25.09 | Shirik | lol@u |
| 12:26.29 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AhEIWTjMig#t=3m2s <-This is one of the players playing SC2 beta |
| 12:27.02 | nevcairiel | olafski: Der Online-Spezialist für Tennis-, Squash- und Badmintonbedarf |
| 12:27.36 | olafski | thanks nevcairiel! |
| 12:29.16 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 12:29.27 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 12:29.37 | Fisker | He is in the sc2 beta |
| 12:29.41 | Fisker | how does that make you feel? |
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| 12:29.42 | Shirik | and you aren ot |
| 12:29.50 | Shirik | it makes me laugh because you are not |
| 12:29.55 | Fisker | watch the movie! |
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| 12:30.36 | Shirik | So I just got this email from my server |
| 12:30.54 | Shirik | The IP 61.78.109.87 has just been banned by Fail2Ban after 1 attempts against HTTP. |
| 12:30.55 | Shirik | Here are more information about 61.78.109.87: |
| 12:30.55 | Shirik | # KOREAN |
| 12:31.03 | Shirik | I think it's become racist |
| 12:32.39 | Fisker | but really Shirik |
| 12:33.00 | Fisker | he attacked his command center with his own scv |
| 12:33.15 | Shirik | he is a noob |
| 12:33.31 | Shirik | it's like it's his first time playing or some shit |
| 12:33.35 | Shirik | what a noob |
| 12:33.44 | Fisker | i think that warrants an achievement |
| 12:33.48 | Fisker | "Kicked out of the beta" |
| 12:34.37 | Fisker | what is ogv? |
| 12:34.46 | Fisker | oh |
| 12:34.48 | Fisker | ogg video? |
| 12:34.49 | Fisker | wut? |
| 12:36.14 | nevcairiel | did anyone outside the US actually get an invite yet? |
| 12:36.36 | Fisker | yes |
| 12:37.18 | olafski | I'll just wait until it's out |
| 12:37.23 | olafski | then maybe I'll get it ;> |
| 12:37.51 | nevcairiel | I'm not sure if i would buy it, i would just play the single player and be done with it |
| 12:38.00 | olafski | yeah same |
| 12:38.44 | Shirik | WHAT?! |
| 12:38.54 | Shirik | You all are infidels and will be dealt with in the harshest of manners |
| 12:39.51 | Fisker | it's pretty lame though |
| 12:39.58 | Fisker | they went ahead and region restricted it again |
| 12:40.02 | Fisker | bastards |
| 12:40.44 | Shirik | good |
| 12:40.55 | Shirik | I don't want to be tied up parsing a bunch of random "u"s in chat |
| 12:41.15 | olafski | care about starcraft multiplayer really |
| 12:41.19 | olafski | or any rts multiplayer |
| 12:41.26 | Fisker | what is there to parse Shirik ? |
| 12:41.38 | foxlit | uudecode() |
| 12:41.40 | olafski | actually.. I've pretty much given up on multiplayer games except for wow and co-op games ;) |
| 12:42.26 | Fisker | btw |
| 12:42.28 | Shirik | rofl @ uudecode() |
| 12:42.40 | Fisker | answer me Shirik :( |
| 12:42.46 | Shirik | colour |
| 12:42.50 | Shirik | it takes additional processing time |
| 12:42.56 | Shirik | instead of color |
| 12:43.08 | Fisker | Only british people use u |
| 12:43.11 | Shirik | yes |
| 12:43.18 | Shirik | that is why region restriction is good |
| 12:43.20 | Shirik | tell them to gtfo |
| 12:43.21 | Fisker | no |
| 12:43.24 | olafski | nevcairiel: would be nice if they could release a package that only has singleplayer.. all campaigns in one package preferrably |
| 12:43.41 | Fisker | they probably will |
| 12:43.46 | Fisker | they'll probably even have subscriptions |
| 12:43.53 | olafski | hm |
| 12:44.15 | olafski | well if it's a good price I might get it.. else nothing lost I guess, I'll have gained a couple of hours to play my xbox/wow ;) |
| 12:44.28 | Fisker | <e id="GAME_ACCOUNT_OUT_OF_TIME" uid="206">GAME_ACCOUNT_OUT_OF_TIME</e> |
| 12:44.28 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.28 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.44 | olafski | I see |
| 12:45.00 | Fisker | that or they're being awfully generic with their game files |
| 12:45.29 | olafski | or just trying to distract fanbois who go through the gamefiles manually |
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| 12:45.44 | krka_ | yo dont like sing the letter ? |
| 12:46.00 | krka_ | i think it's a qite sefl letter |
| 12:46.46 | olafski | not when it's sed as a word :( |
| 12:47.10 | olafski | I think dutch people use it too by the way.. "u" in dutch is a polite form of "you" |
| 12:47.13 | Fisker | starcraft doesn't like me trolling around in their UI btw |
| 12:47.17 | olafski | ironic how in english it is the opposite ;) |
| 12:47.25 | Fisker | It's like "Problem officer?" and then crashes |
| 12:51.18 | zenzelezz | after I moved, I've had access to two music TV channels; and while I haven't watched the much, any time I switch past them they seem to be doing all kinds of weird programmes - but not showing music |
| 12:53.54 | olafski | heh |
| 12:53.58 | olafski | commercials about ringtones I bet |
| 12:54.24 | zenzelezz | that too |
| 12:54.43 | olafski | I very much prefer to watch shows "on demand" rather than watch tv |
| 12:55.09 | zenzelezz | when I actively want to watch something, I agree |
| 12:55.32 | Fisker | yarrr olafski |
| 12:55.33 | Fisker | i hear ya |
| 12:55.36 | Fisker | yarrrr |
| 12:55.53 | olafski | I see what you did there fisker |
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| 12:56.07 | Fisker | i would gladly pay for tv shows if we could get around all that copyright bullshit |
| 12:56.16 | olafski | zenzelezz: well, I would consider watching something passive.. but there's always something I'd rather watch than "tv" :) |
| 12:56.51 | zenzelezz | olafski: I find I have it running for background noise sometimes |
| 12:57.12 | olafski | hm |
| 12:57.19 | olafski | yeah I do that sometimes when my gf is out of town |
| 12:57.26 | olafski | a whole night of silence is not good for me :P |
| 12:57.32 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 12:58.40 | zenzelezz | pokes Steam |
| 12:58.45 | zenzelezz | why so "Download starting..." |
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| 12:59.34 | Fisker | pokes zenzelezz in the butt |
| 12:59.37 | Fisker | ...with a penis |
| 12:59.58 | Fisker | anyway in b4 someone makes an emulator |
| 13:03.21 | Shirik | Fisker needs an emulator for his penis? |
| 13:03.34 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 13:03.38 | zenzelezz | it has compatibility issues |
| 13:03.43 | Fisker | damnit |
| 13:03.44 | krka | ... what makes you say stuff like that Shirik? you're a strange man |
| 13:03.45 | Fisker | wrong channel |
| 13:03.57 | Shirik | (08:02:26) (Fisker) [07:58:05] ...with a penis |
| 13:03.57 | Shirik | (08:02:26) (Fisker) [07:58:26] anyway in b4 someone makes an emulator |
| 13:03.58 | Shirik | (08:02:26) (***) Playback Complete. |
| 13:04.07 | Fisker | playback complete? |
| 13:04.10 | Fisker | i mean how gay is that? |
| 13:04.18 | Shirik | aka I copied one more line than I meant to |
| 13:04.25 | krka | ah i see |
| 13:04.28 | Fisker | certainly more gay than me inserting a penis inside zenzelezz's butt |
| 13:05.50 | zenzelezz | yeah, me and Fisker are purely platonic |
| 13:05.51 | Fisker | i hope you learned your lesson Shirik |
| 13:06.00 | Shirik | i hope you learned yours |
| 13:06.04 | Shirik | never mess with me |
| 13:06.06 | Shirik | I will destroy you |
| 13:06.23 | zenzelezz | oh this is bad |
| 13:06.28 | zenzelezz | they appear to be merging |
| 13:12.28 | foxlit | zenzelezz: both of them... from orbit? |
| 13:12.48 | zenzelezz | foxlit: I think that would be the best idea. Only way to be sure |
| 13:19.21 | bleeter | noooo |
| 13:20.04 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 13:20.09 | Fisker | SC2 isn't games for windows wee |
| 13:20.18 | olafski | who would have guessed |
| 13:20.26 | Fisker | inorite? |
| 13:20.41 | olafski | breaking news: it also doesn't use steam! |
| 13:20.57 | Fisker | no, because unlike it doesn't use steam this is actually news |
| 13:23.03 | Fisker | tk |
| 13:23.05 | Fisker | // Copyright Blizzard Entertainment 2003-2005 |
| 13:23.06 | Fisker | tsk |
| 13:23.55 | olafski | I knew they had it finished years ago |
| 13:24.05 | olafski | must be why it looks like a game from 2005 :) |
| 13:24.51 | jnwhiteh | I need a really... really simple web server, ideally in ruby or python that can just serve a single static file at a URL for me. Anyone have anything sitting around? |
| 13:25.09 | jnwhiteh | I just need to be able to point it to a directory and say "serve the files here", even though there will only be one file right now. |
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| 13:26.14 | olafski | just get whatever lightweight server you can find.. or is it _really_ critical that it only uses 2kb of memory? |
| 13:26.21 | krka | I like Simple, but that's for java |
| 13:26.23 | jnwhiteh | 've got nweb |
| 13:26.26 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 13:26.26 | jnwhiteh | that'll work |
| 13:26.31 | Fisker | give me your starcraft 2 keys |
| 13:26.37 | jnwhiteh | nope, sorry |
| 13:26.41 | Fisker | :( |
| 13:27.15 | Fisker | plays SC2 music which is kinda sad ;( |
| 13:27.16 | Shirik | jnwhiteh, perhaps lighttpd? |
| 13:27.21 | Fisker | the music not me of course |
| 13:27.22 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: way too big =/ |
| 13:27.27 | Shirik | what's it for? |
| 13:27.34 | jnwhiteh | i just need to benchmark against a simple server |
| 13:28.05 | krka | http://code.google.com/p/mongoose/ ? |
| 13:28.18 | krka | now i'm just googling for you though, so i'm sure you've already seen it |
| 13:28.29 | Shirik | also |
| 13:28.35 | Shirik | why would you ever use anything written in ruby or python |
| 13:28.39 | jnwhiteh | I've got nweb |
| 13:28.45 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: ... |
| 13:28.53 | jnwhiteh | because I clearly don't have the same unfounded bias that you do =) |
| 13:28.57 | Shirik | :P |
| 13:29.04 | jnwhiteh | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/systems/library/es-nweb/index.html |
| 13:29.11 | Shirik | at least it's not as bad as my fear of emacs |
| 13:29.31 | krka | jnwhiteh: why does it need to be light? |
| 13:29.35 | amro | you're not alone there Shirik |
| 13:29.37 | amro | and answer me already |
| 13:29.38 | krka | embedding somewhere? distributing on a floppy disk? |
| 13:29.42 | Shirik | answer you? |
| 13:29.44 | krka | easy to install? |
| 13:29.49 | Shirik | brb, time to teach stuffs |
| 13:29.53 | Fisker | got the invite yet though jnwhiteh ? |
| 13:29.53 | amro | other channel |
| 13:29.58 | jnwhiteh | quick and easy to install |
| 13:30.10 | jnwhiteh | i need it for a very limited purpose |
| 13:30.11 | mitch0 | opera unite :) |
| 13:30.12 | jnwhiteh | so this is perfect |
| 13:30.35 | olafski | write your own in ruby quickly |
| 13:30.42 | olafski | just respond to any request with the same file ;) |
| 13:31.43 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 13:31.46 | jnwhiteh | is it really this slow? |
| 13:31.49 | jnwhiteh | let me scale down the image |
| 13:31.58 | olafski | I'm sure Zed could do it in under 10 seconds |
| 13:34.29 | jnwhiteh | wow.. nweb seems to be incredibly slow. |
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| 13:35.43 | jnwhiteh | umm wow. |
| 13:35.45 | jnwhiteh | Time per request: 1.831 [ms] (mean) |
| 13:35.47 | jnwhiteh | Time per request: 1.831 [ms] (mean, across all concurrent requests) |
| 13:35.50 | jnwhiteh | Time per request: 1011.751 [ms] (mean) |
| 13:35.52 | jnwhiteh | Time per request: 1011.751 [ms] (mean, across all concurrent requests) |
| 13:35.56 | jnwhiteh | that really makes no sense to me. |
| 13:36.20 | Fisker | why not? |
| 13:36.28 | jnwhiteh | oh, it spawns a child process for each request |
| 13:36.30 | jnwhiteh | that'd do it. |
| 13:36.32 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 13:36.42 | Fisker | hacks jnwhiteh |
| 13:37.14 | jnwhiteh | olafski: I don't know how to, nor am I intersted in doing that very much |
| 13:37.25 | jnwhiteh | if you want to write something that does that for me, and I can just change the filename that'd be great, lol |
| 13:37.36 | olafski | jnwhiteh: http://blogs.msdn.com/abhinaba/archive/2005/10/14/ruby-webserver-in-70-lines-of-code.aspx |
| 13:37.40 | olafski | ;-) |
| 13:38.26 | jnwhiteh | thanks. |
| 13:38.45 | olafski | or how about: http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/5424 (ruby webserver in one line of code) |
| 13:39.44 | Antiarc | jnwhiteh: Rack is a generic webserver framework for Ruby |
| 13:39.53 | Antiarc | Though if you want something awesome, just install nginx :) |
| 13:40.03 | jnwhiteh | nah |
| 13:40.07 | jnwhiteh | i just need tiny and focused. |
| 13:40.07 | olafski | that was actually going to be my first suggestion.. I heard nginx is fast ;) |
| 13:40.16 | Antiarc | nginx is screaming fast. |
| 13:40.27 | olafski | the oneliner I posted is tiny and focused.. I have no clue if it'll do what you want though, or whether it's safe |
| 13:40.35 | jnwhiteh | its not =) |
| 13:40.40 | jnwhiteh | but i'll try them both |
| 13:40.42 | olafski | if you replace the File.read() part with a static file it'll probably be safe enough |
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| 13:44.19 | jnwhiteh | the ruby oneliner is about 2.5 times faster than mine |
| 13:44.25 | jnwhiteh | which isn't bad at all, considering =) |
| 13:44.26 | jnwhiteh | thanks |
| 13:44.54 | olafski | heh |
| 13:45.10 | olafski | saw that thing years ago and it made me giggle then.. nice to see it's actually of some use :) |
| 13:45.40 | Antiarc | jnwhiteh: you could try node.js for the "ooh, new shiny" factor |
| 13:50.48 | jnwhiteh | "Program exited normally", that doesn't help me GDB, damnit. I don't know why it's exiting! |
| 13:51.09 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 13:51.32 | foxlit | trap exit? or something |
| 13:51.43 | olafski | jnwhiteh: you could make this oneline script even faster if you just add the contents of the file in the script instead of having File.read grab it ;) |
| 13:53.52 | jnwhiteh | oh sure, I know that |
| 13:53.55 | jnwhiteh | this isnj't focused on speed |
| 13:54.02 | jnwhiteh | but I needed a decent comparison to see where I stand at the moment |
| 13:54.15 | Shirik | #define EXIT_SUCCESS 0 |
| 13:54.20 | Shirik | #define EXIT_FATALERROR 0 |
| 13:54.29 | olafski | ;) |
| 13:54.37 | Shirik | oh wait, sorry |
| 13:54.40 | Shirik | code for maintainability |
| 13:54.45 | Shirik | #define EXIT_FATALERROR EXIT_SUCCESS |
| 13:55.05 | mikma | #insert CAREFACTOR_9001 |
| 13:56.02 | foxlit | Sigh, Garrosh is so unimpressed with my achievements. |
| 13:56.11 | jnwhiteh | hrm, apparently I'm not closing my sockets at some point.. so I'm hitting the open file limit, lol |
| 13:56.29 | foxlit | I take it I have to clear the whole zone before he'll say anything aside from "Go away, it's all pointless"? |
| 13:56.47 | Fisker | #define FU_SHIRIK 1 |
| 13:57.19 | Kaso | #define TRUE 0 |
| 13:57.41 | Fisker | #define FALSE 1 |
| 13:57.59 | Shirik | assert(FU_SHIRIK == FALSE) |
| 13:58.26 | Fisker | disagree(assert(FU_SHIRIK == FALSE)) |
| 13:58.27 | Shirik | Warning C4127: Conditional expression is constant true |
| 14:00.54 | Fisker | i will kill you Shirik |
| 14:01.45 | mikma | i will fill you shirik |
| 14:02.01 | jnwhiteh | GAH my computer is doing that 'NFS hates you and is dragging your computer into the pits of despair' thing again. |
| 14:02.33 | cbreak | nfs is old... |
| 14:02.45 | Fisker | you shouldn't be allowed to play NFS at this point jnwhiteh |
| 14:02.47 | Fisker | only SC2 for you |
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| 14:12.27 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: not my choice =) |
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| 14:23.16 | frontendloader | strange bug |
| 14:23.26 | frontendloader | mail is always incredibly slow in the morning |
| 14:24.24 | mikma | it's always incredibly slow |
| 14:24.35 | frontendloader | its only slow for one of my characters |
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| 14:26.18 | Antiarc | They probably do indexing or something of that sort during the morning |
| 14:26.26 | Antiarc | Since population is almost assuredly smaller then |
| 14:27.51 | frontendloader | but then why would mail be fine on one character but not on another |
| 14:28.02 | frontendloader | the only difference between these two characters |
| 14:28.04 | frontendloader | is one is in org |
| 14:28.12 | frontendloader | and the other is in silvermoon |
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| 14:33.46 | EthanCentaurai | what we need is a sort of "mini guildbank" for our alts on that realm |
| 14:34.12 | olafski | didn't they announce something like that? |
| 14:34.16 | olafski | or did I just dream that up |
| 14:34.24 | Kaso | frontendloader: i have a bug where i cant mail between two of my alts |
| 14:34.31 | Kaso | all mail gets instantly returned |
| 14:34.40 | Kaso | so i have to forward between a third alt |
| 14:34.47 | frontendloader | odd |
| 14:35.15 | frontendloader | I think kalimdor is just very laggy at this time of day |
| 14:36.26 | frontendloader | Guess I just need to move one of my unplayed alts to org for face-to-face trading |
| 14:36.32 | frontendloader | and move this bank to silvermoon with my other one |
| 14:42.50 | Shirik | random thought |
| 14:42.57 | Shirik | cable internet is shared, no? |
| 14:43.07 | Shirik | Is there any encryption between the hub and the various customers? |
| 14:43.23 | Shirik | or could I just sniff the line and see everything? |
| 14:43.38 | Shirik | I need to look up DOCSIS I think |
| 14:44.06 | frontendloader | pretty sure it is switched |
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| 15:05.39 | Kaso | Shirik there was a talk at HAR this year on exactly that |
| 15:05.51 | Kaso | DOCSIS 3 has encyrption, but very few ISPs use it |
| 15:06.10 | Shirik | oh really kaso? |
| 15:06.24 | Kaso | this guy basicallly used a commercial cable TV card to sniff internet traffic and phone calls |
| 15:06.32 | Kaso | let me see if i can find a link to the video of it |
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| 15:07.28 | Kaso | http://images1.noterik.com/har/345_l3580_Sniffing_cable_modems.mp4 |
| 15:07.38 | Shirik | I'll have to look at that later, can't look right now |
| 15:07.44 | Shirik | but that's interesting |
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| 15:08.33 | Kaso | more info and slides here : https://har2009.org/program/events/128.en.html |
| 15:16.50 | Kaso | http://i.imgur.com/kpDMM.jpg |
| 15:18.05 | Shirik | rofl |
| 15:20.01 | amro | any idea why a specific server would keep disconnecting me at the char screen? |
| 15:20.22 | nevcairiel | its broken |
| 15:20.30 | amro | how do I fix it? |
| 15:21.22 | Kaso | first fly to blizzard's data center |
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| 15:22.52 | olafski | hahahaha kaso |
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| 15:32.52 | Kaelten | g'morning |
| 15:33.16 | Ackis | morning sweety |
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| 15:34.45 | Adys | ~ping |
| 15:34.46 | purl | ~pong |
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| 15:35.21 | Adys | ~ping |
| 15:35.22 | purl | ~pong |
| 15:35.51 | Kraps | ~pong |
| 15:35.52 | purl | ~ping |
| 15:36.13 | Kraps | i disagree |
| 15:39.01 | Shirik | oh reginald? |
| 15:39.04 | Shirik | I DISAGREE! |
| 15:39.13 | Adys | Im getting a stupidly high packet loss again |
| 15:39.28 | Ackis | what Adys? You didn't know tourguide was removed? |
| 15:39.43 | Adys | Ackis you have issues |
| 15:40.08 | Shirik | Adys and Ackis, I demand that you change your names |
| 15:40.08 | Ackis | you're just figuring this out/ |
| 15:40.15 | Shirik | I am unable to parse your statements |
| 15:40.21 | Ackis | btw Adys did you know why tourguide was removed? |
| 15:40.22 | Shirik | your parentheses even match up exactly |
| 15:40.29 | Ackis | lulz Shirik |
| 15:40.42 | Shirik | I honestly thought Adys was talking to himself for a second |
| 15:40.45 | Adys | Shirik can you please mute Ackis |
| 15:40.55 | Ackis | :P |
| 15:41.01 | Ackis | it was a serious question |
| 15:41.34 | Ackis | Adys: http://www.zygorguides.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4446 |
| 15:41.56 | Adys | Quit crying wolf then? |
| 15:42.06 | Ackis | I'm crying wolf? |
| 15:42.20 | Kraps | so is this a meme now? |
| 15:42.30 | Adys | No. but it's as retarded |
| 15:43.23 | DWSR | Tekkub got TG sold? That's unfortuante. |
| 15:43.28 | DWSR | Unfortunate* |
| 15:43.31 | Ackis | you should unbunch you panties, you aren't nice when they're in a knot :P |
| 15:44.00 | Kraps | i love memes |
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| 15:44.50 | DWSR | So wait, what happens if we already had a copy of TourGuide? |
| 15:45.21 | Kraps | DWSR: mine stopped working |
| 15:45.41 | DWSR | Kraps: Really?!? |
| 15:45.53 | DWSR | That sucks. |
| 15:48.39 | Kraps | maybe i just had a bad install |
| 15:49.07 | Kraps | i -was- trying to get rid of it |
| 15:49.44 | Ackis | I think the zygor thing is just to allow zygor to write their guides to work with tourguide and to allow them to distribute it, but I'm sure tekkub has a plan |
| 15:49.46 | Ackis | ~seen tekkub |
| 15:49.49 | purl | tekkub <~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 15h 46m 10s ago, saying: 'bears are for licking, not chewing'. |
| 15:50.06 | Ackis | well that was random |
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| 15:50.57 | Kraps | Kelly Clarkson owns |
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| 15:56.47 | durcyn | Fisker: http://img9.imageshack.us/i/sc3cn.jpg/ |
| 15:58.18 | Fisker | not sure what your point is durcyn |
| 15:58.36 | nicoli_s | durcyn:fisker actually got an acct |
| 15:59.00 | durcyn | i'm pretending he didn't |
| 15:59.06 | Fisker | damnit nicoli_s |
| 15:59.10 | durcyn | since his screenshots are probably fake |
| 15:59.12 | Fisker | I'm trying to troll here |
| 15:59.28 | durcyn | can't trust the danish beyond breakfast foods |
| 15:59.28 | nicoli_s | i know, but come on, sc2 should fill you with enough happiness to drive back those troll urges |
| 15:59.47 | Fisker | i love danish |
| 15:59.57 | Fisker | anyway i still hate Blizzard |
| 16:00.13 | Fisker | why can't they just figure out to make one client with the relevant localizations as addons? |
| 16:00.56 | nicoli_s | the game looks like its setup that way, the mpqs are localized |
| 16:01.41 | Fisker | yeah |
| 16:01.49 | Fisker | but you can't login into the EU servers with the US client |
| 16:02.23 | nicoli_s | thats probably because of how their servers are setup |
| 16:03.33 | Fisker | it's still annoying |
| 16:05.40 | Cide | stop crying |
| 16:05.56 | Kraps | "In order for us to be fully staffed at all times, to better serve our customers, We are formalizing our âI canât make it to work todayâ policy." |
| 16:06.02 | Kraps | lawl |
| 16:06.11 | Fisker | ? |
| 16:06.34 | Kraps | at work |
| 16:07.33 | nicoli_s | gonna need a doctor note to say you have the flu? |
| 16:08.41 | Fisker | I know someone working for the public |
| 16:08.48 | Fisker | He didn't show up for work for like 3 months |
| 16:08.53 | Fisker | And they didn't fire him :o |
| 16:09.04 | Ackis | Fisker: you know me, I didn't show up for 18 months :P |
| 16:09.10 | Fisker | :P |
| 16:09.27 | Fisker | Well his mother died so it kinda sucks |
| 16:09.37 | Kraps | notify by email or sms for sick days |
| 16:10.15 | Kraps | as soon as you know |
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| 16:12.53 | Kraps | one week in advance for vacation, one day in advance for leaving work early |
| 16:13.34 | Ackis | 2 weeks in advance for quitting :D |
| 16:13.49 | Kraps | hah |
| 16:15.29 | Ackis | however they have to give me 8 weeks notice if they're gonna fire me |
| 16:15.38 | Lopeppeppy | Oh yeah? |
| 16:15.40 | Kraps | Fisker: 3 months for his mothers death? |
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| 16:16.14 | Fisker | yeah something like that |
| 16:16.24 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: it's in alberta labour laws, the notice they give you/you have to give is legislated, plus there's a union contract |
| 16:16.55 | Kraps | Fisker: isnt that a bit much? |
| 16:16.56 | Lopeppeppy | Woot. |
| 16:17.02 | Lopeppeppy | Me they can kick out any old time. |
| 16:17.03 | Fisker | yes i would say so :P |
| 16:17.39 | Fisker | We thought he had committed suicide or something at first |
| 16:17.45 | Kraps | :o |
| 16:17.52 | Fisker | :P |
| 16:18.01 | Fisker | We had one of the neighbors stalk him though |
| 16:18.40 | zenzelezz | wait... Fisker works? |
| 16:19.40 | Ackis | he's a knob polisher |
| 16:19.45 | olafski | :D |
| 16:21.17 | Ancu | GLARG *Angry* |
| 16:22.12 | Fisker | not now zenzelezz |
| 16:22.19 | Fisker | and i was doing school back then |
| 16:22.46 | Fisker | But since he didn't show for work for those like 2-3 months they called the school to find out what was up |
| 16:23.48 | Kraps | why didnt they fire him? |
| 16:23.52 | zenzelezz | so I bought the new AvP game on Steam. Double-clicking to start it brings up an interesting dialog... "Launch Aliens vs Predator", "Launch Aliens vs Predator - DirectX 11" and "Launch Aliens vs Predator 9". Now I'm curious what the unspecified one means |
| 16:24.29 | Ancu | AvP consul? |
| 16:24.29 | Fisker | i dunno Kraps |
| 16:24.37 | olafski | zenzelezz: dx10? |
| 16:24.54 | zenzelezz | olafski: could be, but if it is, why didn't they just specify it like the other two versions? |
| 16:25.09 | kd3 | wtfs at this latest spam trying to fool bayes |
| 16:25.28 | olafski | good question |
| 16:25.52 | zenzelezz | apparently, according to the readme, you can use the DX11 version on DX10 cards and it'll just ignore DX11 features |
| 16:26.02 | Ancu | olafski: Would it not be redundant to call both DX10 and DX11? |
| 16:26.46 | olafski | no clue ancu |
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| 16:27.26 | Ancu | I would guess that it was the consul interface used by AvP |
| 16:27.35 | zenzelezz | consul? |
| 16:28.01 | Ancu | yeah, am i misspelling it or are you asking a question.... |
| 16:28.38 | Ancu | consul, where you can type in cheat commands :evil: |
| 16:28.41 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing you're misspelling it, since a consul is a person/position |
| 16:28.44 | zenzelezz | console? |
| 16:29.25 | Ancu | probably, that would explain why spell check didn't catch it. |
| 16:32.35 | Kraps | console |
| 16:32.46 | Ackis | omg http://www.civilization5.com/ |
| 16:34.42 | cbreak | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/18/1340202/I-Use-Twitter-Please-Rob-Me, nice! |
| 16:34.44 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 16:34.52 | cbreak | and people think I am wrong being paranoid |
| 16:34.54 | Fisker | you troll me |
| 16:35.04 | Ackis | Fisker: how so? |
| 16:35.07 | nevcairiel | cbreak: a good use for twitter, afterall :) |
| 16:35.23 | cbreak | yeah. finally. |
| 16:35.29 | robotusch | slaps Fisker around with a certain combination of letters and numbers |
| 16:35.52 | Kraps | lawl Ackis |
| 16:36.11 | Kraps | i dont know why i bout the civ4 pack on steam |
| 16:36.17 | Kraps | bought* |
| 16:37.02 | Ackis | civ4 is wicked, now civ 5 is coming out and it'll be wickeder |
| 16:37.08 | Fisker | hey robotusch |
| 16:37.11 | Fisker | msfuckingn |
| 16:37.12 | nicoli_s | i need to check out 4 |
| 16:37.17 | nicoli_s | havent played since 3 |
| 16:37.23 | Kraps | i suck at turn-based games |
| 16:37.31 | nicoli_s | but i dont even wanna think of the number of hours i put in on 2 |
| 16:37.39 | Ackis | s/turn-based games/everything/ ? :D |
| 16:38.46 | Kraps | Ackis: SHUT UP |
| 16:39.21 | Ackis | :O |
| 16:39.56 | Kraps | at least in an RTS its easier to turtle while building an army and then attack |
| 16:40.26 | cbreak | I want an RTS where I can win without attacking |
| 16:40.34 | cbreak | just with a massive defense. |
| 16:40.48 | Ackis | cbreak: there are some missions in games where you get attacked and have to survive |
| 16:40.52 | nevcairiel | extend your base so far that your defense turrets start taking out the enemys base |
| 16:41.05 | cbreak | ... that's an interesting ideea |
| 16:41.09 | cbreak | resource intensive though |
| 16:41.46 | Ackis | cbreak: it's easier if you send a mobile construction facility into their base, build a new base and then start building turrets |
| 16:41.55 | Ackis | pseudo-attacking? |
| 16:42.05 | robotusch | Fisker be trolling my msn :( |
| 16:42.12 | Kraps | cbreak: ive done that on AOE1-2 |
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| 16:45.31 | Fisker | i r |
| 16:49.53 | foxlit | cbreak: win by defending your superweapons, tbh |
| 16:50.32 | foxlit | Zero Hour was particularly awesome for this -- multiple particle beams, a perimeter, and your opponent is toast, all without sending any actual units to attack him. |
| 16:50.36 | Ackis | I beat Star Wars the Force Unleashed on Jedi Master mode last night. I cried a little. Manly crying however. :P |
| 16:51.27 | nicoli_s | that game was cool, but that one star destroyer level made me wanna rage quit |
| 16:51.45 | Thunder_Child | have SC2 yet Fisker? |
| 16:51.50 | Ackis | the star destroyer was annoying, kinda neat however |
| 16:51.58 | Kraps | foxlit: c&c generals? |
| 16:52.14 | foxlit | Kraps: yes. |
| 16:52.34 | nicoli_s | Thunder_Child: ackis gave him his key |
| 16:52.37 | durcyn | i've liked c&c games progressively less with each release |
| 16:52.43 | Cide | WTF ACKIS |
| 16:52.51 | Ackis | hi |
| 16:52.51 | Thunder_Child | nicoli_s: major fail |
| 16:52.52 | Cide | I WAS RIGHT HERE ALL ALONG |
| 16:52.57 | Kraps | i think its kinda simplistic for an RTS though |
| 16:53.05 | Ackis | lol |
| 16:53.19 | foxlit | durcyn: starting with RA3, I think. |
| 16:53.27 | foxlit | They started with this cooperative gameplay crap. |
| 16:53.51 | Kraps | my nephews love playing generals |
| 16:54.07 | foxlit | Hey, what the? |
| 16:54.20 | foxlit | Curse moderation beat WoWI for the first time in history of me releasing addons. |
| 16:54.28 | foxlit | slacker Shirik, slacker. |
| 16:54.29 | nicoli_s | woot! |
| 16:54.34 | Fisker | not yet nicoli_s |
| 16:54.41 | Fisker | err Thunder_Child |
| 16:55.04 | Ackis | foxlit: wot? |
| 16:55.28 | foxlit | Ackis: upload approval times. |
| 16:55.41 | nevcairiel | I heard WoWI mods have some little tool that blinks on their desktop when there is something new in the queue |
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| 16:55.59 | Ackis | nevcairiel: I told Kaelten to write me a blackberry app |
| 16:56.01 | nevcairiel | notifications are unfair :D |
| 16:56.03 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 16:56.22 | nevcairiel | he could just rss the queue |
| 16:56.46 | foxlit | but rss is meh -- because Apple cares, mail only refreshes feeds every ~30 minutes. |
| 16:57.06 | nevcairiel | who cares what apple does |
| 16:57.07 | durcyn | who actually uses Mail.app |
| 16:57.16 | foxlit | Me. It works. |
| 16:57.17 | Fisker | i snowstorm u nevcairiel |
| 16:57.29 | nevcairiel | Fisker: not again, the snow from last time still hasnt melted |
| 16:57.42 | foxlit | We're in some form of perpetual winter here |
| 16:57.49 | foxlit | It hasn't melted since January or something. |
| 16:57.55 | nevcairiel | december, even |
| 16:58.16 | nevcairiel | at least we didnt get new snow all week |
| 16:59.03 | foxlit | Meh, it's in jutland |
| 16:59.13 | Maldivia_ | hmm, with SC2 beta out, can we expect wow ptr tomorrow or next week, for b.net 2 integration testion :P |
| 16:59.15 | durcyn | eh, if it works for you, more power to you. i found the interface tedious, and the kludge of adding multiple accounts for different outgoing addresses even moreso |
| 16:59.30 | Fisker | i hope so Maldivia_ |
| 16:59.40 | durcyn | not to mention that the end result of that kludge was fucked up account listings on my iphone |
| 16:59.43 | foxlit | durcyn: I think I solved that problem by not writing mail. |
| 16:59.51 | nevcairiel | that would mean they would have to actually announce the contents of the next content patch |
| 17:00.01 | durcyn | who says it has to be a content patch? |
| 17:00.06 | Maldivia | no, b.net 2 support is patch 3.3.5 :) |
| 17:00.16 | nevcairiel | what happend to the others? |
| 17:01.13 | Maldivia | perhaps 3.3.4, 3.3.5 just seemed cooler :) |
| 17:01.19 | durcyn | hahahah http://www.itnews.com.au/News/167543,microsoft-rickrolls-network-leechers.aspx |
| 17:01.22 | Maldivia | as 3.3.3 would be reserved for hotfix patch :) |
| 17:01.58 | nevcairiel | they'll have to start PTRing a content patch sooner or later anyway, at their latest rate, it'll take 3 month of PTR again, and if they want to leave soem space until the 4.0 patch .. not that much time |
| 17:02.38 | nevcairiel | assuming cata is supposed to be out this year, anyway |
| 17:03.16 | Fisker | it is |
| 17:03.37 | Kraps | 3.3.3 would be content, 3.3.4 would be the hotfix patch :p |
| 17:03.42 | Fisker | can't remember if they just said SC2 and Cataclysm would be out in 2010 |
| 17:03.50 | Fisker | or if they did specifically say that they would be out around the same time |
| 17:04.16 | Kraps | Fisker: not holding my breath |
| 17:04.26 | Fisker | no that would be silly |
| 17:04.28 | nevcairiel | cata not out this year would be way too much time |
| 17:04.29 | Kraps | but i -am- pumped for cata |
| 17:04.32 | Fisker | unless you can hold your breath for half a year |
| 17:04.39 | nevcairiel | i would guess at the latest nov/dev |
| 17:04.52 | nevcairiel | possibly sept |
| 17:05.02 | nevcairiel | if signs start showing soon, anyway |
| 17:05.07 | Fisker | I'm guessing that SC2 beta will be out mid summer, and Cataclysm late summer, early fall |
| 17:05.16 | Fisker | early-mid summer |
| 17:05.25 | Fisker | maybe even before |
| 17:05.25 | nevcairiel | SC2 beta is out, duh |
| 17:05.30 | Fisker | doh |
| 17:05.35 | Fisker | i mean the retail game of course :P |
| 17:05.56 | Fisker | kinda lulz that SC2 is ahead of WoW on builds |
| 17:05.56 | Ancu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.03 | Fisker | yeah i know |
| 17:06.06 | nevcairiel | wow is a game, it cant talk |
| 17:06.18 | durcyn | blizzard says lots of things, most of them are wrong |
| 17:06.18 | Fisker | lets kill nevcairiel |
| 17:06.20 | Ancu | blizzard* |
| 17:06.25 | Fisker | or atleast snowstorm him |
| 17:06.37 | Ancu | SNOWMAGENDEN |
| 17:06.42 | nevcairiel | nooo, not more snow |
| 17:07.17 | Kraps | nevcairiel: i no rite |
| 17:07.20 | nevcairiel | anyway, if cata isnt out this year, the content will be way too boring, and i doubt they'll do two more patches |
| 17:07.26 | Ancu | I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but i have to give him props for coining the phrase Snowmageden |
| 17:07.57 | nevcairiel | i even doubted that there would be one more content patch, but that was blue'ified, so i guess it will happen |
| 17:08.31 | Ancu | really? link to blueification? |
| 17:08.55 | Kraps | Ancu: you should know this already |
| 17:08.58 | Fisker | no nevcairiel |
| 17:09.10 | Fisker | They said that if Cataclysm wouldn't be out on time we would get another major content patch |
| 17:09.14 | Fisker | if not, we wouldn't |
| 17:09.28 | Ancu | Kraps: not so much in the know, I try but.... |
| 17:09.33 | nevcairiel | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/23141114621-332--where-next.html |
| 17:09.50 | nevcairiel | "we do have some additional PvE and PvP content and changes we plan to implement prior to the release of the big Cataclysm patch" |
| 17:10.00 | Fisker | oh |
| 17:10.24 | Kraps | a pre-cata patch like a pre-wotlk patch, its a no-brainer |
| 17:10.24 | nevcairiel | It won't be a tier-raid |
| 17:10.26 | Fisker | well no new raid content != major content patch in my opinion anyway :P |
| 17:10.26 | nevcairiel | whatever that means |
| 17:10.52 | nevcairiel | just something like sunwell that doesnt drop a tier set, but random items? :d |
| 17:10.56 | durcyn | whatever that means? fuck, let's just admit it, it'll be a 10-man troll raid. |
| 17:11.04 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:11.08 | Fisker | oh yeah |
| 17:11.14 | Fisker | there was this raid instance in zul'drak in the beta |
| 17:11.19 | Fisker | ice trolls! |
| 17:11.23 | robotusch | D: |
| 17:11.36 | nevcairiel | yeah we didnt have a troll instance through all of wotlk |
| 17:11.40 | nevcairiel | 'bout time |
| 17:11.55 | Kraps | i hate trolls :( |
| 17:11.56 | robotusch | was wondering why that huge building on the final tier of ZD wasn't used :< |
| 17:12.19 | nevcairiel | utgarde keep also has some room for a single boss encounter, imho |
| 17:12.59 | olafski | isn't that huge building gundrak? |
| 17:13.15 | nevcairiel | kinda, but the entrances are all over the sides |
| 17:13.16 | olafski | there's a necropolis in zuldrak that's unused too |
| 17:13.16 | robotusch | nah, you enter that through two small side buildings |
| 17:13.30 | nevcairiel | could easily fit a raid in there |
| 17:13.54 | nevcairiel | olafski: we already had a necropolis raid |
| 17:13.56 | durcyn | it was originally intended to be a raid instance |
| 17:17.04 | Ancu | just finished reading the blue post, what did i miss |
| 17:17.18 | Kaelten | Ackis: I can write you an iphone app :D |
| 17:17.39 | Ancu | i could too if i took the iTunes U corse |
| 17:17.58 | Ancu | but i dont have an iPhone, so i have yet to bother |
| 17:18.00 | nevcairiel | i could write you an android app, but i wont, because i'm lazy! |
| 17:18.40 | Ancu | no android either |
| 17:19.14 | Ancu | I have the Motorola Hint! anyone know where i can learn to write apps for that? |
| 17:20.28 | Ancu | no? |
| 17:20.46 | nevcairiel | eh, what OS is that? probably symbian, i guess? |
| 17:21.03 | nevcairiel | You could always write J2ME apps, they work on most phones |
| 17:22.24 | robotusch | god fucking damnit |
| 17:22.33 | robotusch | my authenticator is out of sync again >_> |
| 17:25.01 | cbreak | they should auto-sync |
| 17:25.08 | cbreak | if you enter a few codes |
| 17:25.22 | cbreak | (shouldn't they ask you for two consecutive ones in such cases?) |
| 17:25.37 | cbreak | hmm... are the bliz authenticators temporal? Probably are |
| 17:25.43 | nevcairiel | i've never seen that, my authenticator must have a good quartz :p |
| 17:26.48 | robotusch | I've had to call them three time since I got it |
| 17:27.11 | robotusch | the most annoying thing is, you don't get the error message until after you've entered the auth code |
| 17:27.40 | robotusch | so usually I go 'hm, maybe I just typed in my password wrong' and try again |
| 17:27.54 | robotusch | however, 3-4 wrong auth codes in a row = account is locked >_> |
| 17:28.08 | Kraps | robotusch: cant you get a new one? |
| 17:28.48 | robotusch | yeah, I probably should ask that when I call them tomorr |
| 17:28.53 | robotusch | tomorrow* |
| 17:30.56 | Kraps | i would get one if i wasnt so good at losing stuff |
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| 17:33.44 | Ancu | the keys are not based on time |
| 17:34.04 | Ancu | what it means is that you pressed the button more then 10 times since your last login |
| 17:35.12 | Ancu | nevcairiel: my phone uses hellmoto |
| 17:35.29 | Ancu | whatever that is |
| 17:35.53 | nevcairiel | The authenticators do work on time |
| 17:36.51 | Kraps | Ancu: hellomoto? |
| 17:37.00 | Kraps | motorola? |
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| 17:42.57 | Arrowmaster | if they didnt use time they wouldnt be secure |
| 17:43.24 | nevcairiel | and they wouldnt randomly go out of sync :D |
| 17:43.31 | nevcairiel | unless broken |
| 17:43.52 | Arrowmaster | they are supposed to resync everytime you use it |
| 17:46.03 | Ancu | they resync for the next ten codes, its not temporal |
| 17:47.28 | Legorol | Ancu: time must play a factor. The authenticator gets no information whatsoever from the server. |
| 17:47.39 | Ancu | kraps: yes, my Motorola hit says hellmoto when it loads, i assume that that is the name of the OS |
| 17:47.41 | Legorol | It's logically impossible for it to produce the same number as the server expects otherwise. |
| 17:48.11 | Arrowmaster | i know exactly how RSA authentication tokens work, i am a computer security expert, they use time |
| 17:48.26 | Legorol | we don't even need Arrowmaster's credentials to figure that out |
| 17:48.43 | Arrowmaster | right, end of discussion |
| 17:48.43 | Legorol | the authenticator has no other external input, hence it can't produce a variable result, except one based on time |
| 17:48.58 | theorbtwo | If you try to hit it about halfway between when it changes numbers, desync should be less of a problem. |
| 17:49.12 | cbreak | Legorol: there are at least three approaches |
| 17:49.17 | cbreak | two of them are unidirectional |
| 17:49.28 | cbreak | time is one of them |
| 17:49.36 | cbreak | a monotonically increasing counter is the other |
| 17:49.47 | Legorol | cbreak: right, i was going to say, the number of buttonpresses could be it |
| 17:49.57 | Legorol | however, the problem is that the server gets no information about how many times you pressed it |
| 17:50.13 | Ancu | 0_o did you realy just say that? insert code x, behind the the sceen it says, okay, the auth with this serial uses this algarithm. there for it is on cod 326, so we look at 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 and 336 if its not one of these that it must be wrong |
| 17:50.15 | cbreak | it can store the ID of the last code you entered |
| 17:50.19 | theorbtwo | Could be, but then if you just press the button a couple times playing with it, the authenticator would be completely useless. |
| 17:50.23 | cbreak | and check a window of +5 codes or what ever |
| 17:50.45 | Legorol | cbreak: sure, you can use a fixed window size.. but then you have extra input, namely, the size of the window |
| 17:50.51 | cbreak | if that's not enough, you could resync it by checking a window of 100 codes, and requireing two or three sequential inputs |
| 17:51.13 | Legorol | aye |
| 17:51.14 | cbreak | time based tokens also use a fixed window size |
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| 17:51.20 | Legorol | but then, again, you have extra info: the sequentiality |
| 17:51.25 | cbreak | they don't only accept one code, they accept several |
| 17:51.40 | Arrowmaster | try pressing the button on the auth token every 30 seconds for an hour then see if it works to login, it will |
| 17:51.42 | cbreak | all codes that can be created in a given window |
| 17:51.43 | Legorol | that's just a practical thing to combat syncing issue. they don't have to do that in theory |
| 17:51.52 | Ancu | what cbreak said, 10 codes |
| 17:51.57 | Ancu | thats why it goes out of sync |
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| 17:52.12 | Legorol | Ancu: what? |
| 17:52.16 | cbreak | if you enter a code that is at the start or end of the window |
| 17:52.16 | Legorol | cbreak didn't say WoW uses 10 codes |
| 17:52.19 | Arrowmaster | right but cbreak is talking about time based, that windows in the time based ones is exactly how they resync |
| 17:52.24 | cbreak | the server can automatically use that information to resync a bit |
| 17:52.28 | Ancu | i chalange you, log into wow with your auth, press the button 20 times and try to log in again |
| 17:52.36 | Legorol | Ancu: cbreak just said an *alternatively* approach to using time is to use a window such as 10 codes |
| 17:52.37 | Legorol | which WoW doesn't |
| 17:52.51 | cbreak | I haven't said anything about wow, I tried to explain the underlying tech |
| 17:52.56 | Legorol | indeed |
| 17:52.58 | cbreak | I don't know which bliz uses :) |
| 17:53.09 | Arrowmaster | rsa time based ones |
| 17:53.11 | Legorol | i have a mobile authenticator. that one has no button. it's time based |
| 17:53.22 | Legorol | it stands to reason they use the same method for the physical authenticators too |
| 17:53.29 | cbreak | time based tokens often have a button to save on battery power |
| 17:53.34 | Legorol | exactly |
| 17:53.36 | Ancu | try my challenge. log into wow, log out, press the auth 20 times, then try to log back in |
| 17:53.45 | Legorol | ancu: i can't, my authenticator has no button |
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| 17:54.16 | cbreak | if you use your authenticator regularly |
| 17:54.29 | cbreak | it would be technically possible to compensate for clock drift |
| 17:54.30 | theorbtwo | Well, that's proof positive that at least that one doesn't go forward on each button press. |
| 17:54.34 | cbreak | on the server side |
| 17:54.37 | Legorol | does the physical authenticator always display a different number each time the button is pressed, no matter how rapidly? (i doubt it, but i have to ask) |
| 17:54.38 | cbreak | if that is done I don't know |
| 17:55.04 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: the rsa time based ones do compensate for clock drift |
| 17:55.17 | theorbtwo | I wouldn't expect clock drift to be significant, under normal conditions. |
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| 17:55.29 | Legorol | wow uses a pretty lenient window |
| 17:55.40 | theorbtwo | OTOH, to a degree, the better you are at compinsating for a bad clock in software, the worse clock you can use. |
| 17:55.41 | Legorol | i have deliberately tried to log in with a stale number, i managed up to 30 seconds delay |
| 17:55.47 | Arrowmaster | wow also doesnt invalidate a code once its used |
| 17:55.51 | Arrowmaster | which it should |
| 17:56.16 | cbreak | no |
| 17:56.19 | theorbtwo | ...especially since logging in when already in will throw off the *first* instance. |
| 17:56.21 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: indeed, the question is, what's more likely: frustrated user who has to wait another 30 seconds, or a hacker with man-in-the-middle attack |
| 17:56.26 | Arrowmaster | for a truly secure system it should, for convenience it doesnt |
| 17:56.27 | cbreak | there's a finite number of codes |
| 17:56.43 | cbreak | if you would invalidate that, you couldnt log in after 10000 logins |
| 17:56.48 | cbreak | (its a 5 digit number?) |
| 17:56.53 | Legorol | cbreak: you can release the lock after 3 logins |
| 17:57.01 | Legorol | all you need to do is not allow the same code to work twice in succession |
| 17:57.05 | Arrowmaster | or 10 minutes |
| 17:57.12 | Legorol | whatever, lots of solutions |
| 17:57.14 | theorbtwo | There's also probably not a no-repitition constraint on the authenticator, so it will validly give the same code twice. |
| 17:57.17 | Ancu | cbreak: 6 |
| 17:57.28 | Arrowmaster | ive heard some systems allow upto 10 minutes of clock drift |
| 17:58.29 | Adys | Ive had authenticator codes work with a 3-4 minutes delay |
| 17:58.42 | Arrowmaster | theorbtwo: since these systems usually lockout a code for a certain amount of time after its used they shouldnt allow repetition |
| 17:58.45 | Adys | however, if you've entered a more recent code to log in, you can't login with an older one |
| 17:59.20 | Arrowmaster | Adys: right because everytime you enter a code in it resyncs to the clock on your authenticator |
| 17:59.32 | Adys | ya |
| 18:00.21 | Ancu | I'm consulting with a person I trust not to make me look like an idiot..... |
| 18:00.29 | Arrowmaster | too late |
| 18:01.13 | Ancu | (12:54:42) Kalmondo - Yahoo: (12:53:50) Legorol: does the physical authenticator always display a different number each time the button is pressed, no matter how rapidly? (i doubt it, but i have to ask) |
| 18:01.13 | Ancu | (12:54:54) Kalmondo - Yahoo: just tried it, no it dosnt |
| 18:01.14 | Ancu | (12:59:11) sabledrakon: No and there's a reason for this. One is that there's about a 30 second cooldown. This is in there just in case you're not fast enough on the keyboard. Second, since it's an incrementing token, if there wasn't that cooldown, you'd be out of sync with the authentication server in about 10 presses. In that event, you're forced to re-syncronize the token to the server so the server knows where your token is in it's count. |
| 18:01.30 | Ancu | I'm kalmondo btw |
| 18:02.16 | cbreak | well. there's just one way to be sure |
| 18:02.28 | Lopeppeppy | nuke 'em from orbit |
| 18:02.32 | cbreak | it involves a screwdriver, acid and a microscope. |
| 18:02.40 | Ancu | lol |
| 18:02.54 | Legorol | Ancu: unfortunately having a 30 second cooldown and an incremental counter is indistinguishable with any practical test we can do from a time-based key? |
| 18:03.13 | cbreak | I would expect blizz to use time based codes, since they are much better at defending against MitM than counter based tokens |
| 18:03.32 | Ancu | we could have me press my auth 10 times randomly throught the day and try it when i get home |
| 18:03.39 | cbreak | an incremental counter could give you a code |
| 18:03.45 | cbreak | and you could use that after one hour |
| 18:03.49 | Arrowmaster | plus rsa tokens are pretty much the standard and they are time based |
| 18:03.49 | cbreak | and it would have to be valid |
| 18:03.54 | Legorol | cbreak: good point |
| 18:03.54 | cbreak | because the code is not based on time |
| 18:03.56 | Ancu | lets make it crazy, 30 times between now and the time i get home |
| 18:04.00 | Legorol | so we can test it |
| 18:04.02 | cbreak | a time based code would not be valid anymore |
| 18:04.09 | Legorol | can you generate a code, write it on a piece of paper, and use it 2 hours later? |
| 18:04.14 | Legorol | if you can't, it's not counter based |
| 18:04.28 | Legorol | Ancu: btw, just because you trust your friend, doesn't mean he can't be talking rubbish :) |
| 18:04.35 | nevcairiel | Ancu: how does that fit into mobile authenticators? as long as i keep the app running, it generates new codes, over and over |
| 18:04.57 | nevcairiel | it doesnt have a "press button for code" thing |
| 18:05.02 | nevcairiel | it just creates a new code every 30s |
| 18:05.13 | nevcairiel | and it doesnt fail me |
| 18:05.26 | cbreak | is it on an iPhone? |
| 18:05.29 | Ancu | i am logging in now to make sure my current code is valid. legorol: trust me, i know. nevcairiel: i dont have a mobile one, and let me give that info to my friend |
| 18:05.31 | nevcairiel | no, an android |
| 18:05.36 | cbreak | ... bah. :) |
| 18:05.43 | cbreak | strange that it "just works" then :) |
| 18:05.45 | theorbtwo | Bliz knows if you have a mobile authenticator or a traditioal one, so they don't neccessarly work the same. |
| 18:05.51 | Legorol | the mobile and physical ones could in theory work differently |
| 18:05.57 | Legorol | they have different number of digits for starters |
| 18:05.59 | nevcairiel | of course, the code length is different, too |
| 18:06.14 | cbreak | anyway, a sure way is to compare lifetime |
| 18:06.19 | cbreak | if it's counter based, codes can't expire |
| 18:06.34 | cbreak | RSA does sell counter based devices |
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| 18:06.47 | cbreak | but those are special, ultra thin credit card sized ones |
| 18:06.51 | theorbtwo | Yeah. Somebody who will be at work, or such, for a while, write down their current code, and try it when they get home. |
| 18:06.58 | cbreak | without enough thickness for a clock |
| 18:07.13 | cbreak | I've only read about them, not seen them myself |
| 18:07.21 | Arrowmaster | ive seen credit card sized ones with clocks |
| 18:07.32 | Ancu | I will conceed that the mobile ones use time |
| 18:07.40 | theorbtwo | Actually credit-card sized, or credit card-but-thick? |
| 18:07.45 | Ancu | conceed (sp?) |
| 18:07.46 | batbot | Ancu, concede, conceded, conched. |
| 18:07.54 | Legorol | given that they do, it is *likely* (but at this point in the discussion not conclusively proven) that the physical ones use time too |
| 18:07.55 | Ancu | concede* |
| 18:08.00 | Legorol | so that the server side algorithm can be the same |
| 18:08.07 | Arrowmaster | not sure how thick it was |
| 18:08.21 | Ancu | i will on the other hand test the physical authenticator today |
| 18:08.26 | Legorol | go for it |
| 18:08.42 | theorbtwo | I'd have thought that fitting a clock on a credit card wouldn't be all that much harder then fitting one in a watch. |
| 18:09.11 | Legorol | this is now a funny situation: if a given code still works after 2 hours, it doesn't definitely prove that the physical authenticator is counter based. it could just have a very lenient time window. |
| 18:09.14 | Ancu | I will let you guys know when i get home tonight, remember i will be pressing it 30 times throught the day |
| 18:09.19 | Legorol | however, if the code doesn't work after 2 hours, it can't be counter based |
| 18:09.33 | Legorol | Ancu: no, you should do a different test |
| 18:09.40 | Ancu | how? |
| 18:09.47 | Ancu | what other test do you recomend |
| 18:09.51 | Legorol | you press button once, log in with it, make sure it works. |
| 18:09.58 | Legorol | press button once more, write the code down on a piece of paper |
| 18:10.08 | Legorol | use the written code 2 hours later, without pressing the button again |
| 18:10.33 | Legorol | when you can't log in with the written code, this test will definitively establish that it's time based |
| 18:10.38 | Legorol | without potentially locking your account |
| 18:10.42 | Ancu | well, i might not be home till morn, but that is a better test |
| 18:10.57 | theorbtwo | Ancu: In that case, I'd reverse it. |
| 18:11.22 | Ancu | how would you reverse it, im game for any experiment |
| 18:11.33 | theorbtwo | Write down the current code now, and then when you get home (how long?) try the written-down number, and then the current number off your authentictor. |
| 18:11.37 | cbreak | give us your account name, password and code |
| 18:11.40 | cbreak | and we'll test it for you |
| 18:11.47 | Legorol | harr harr cbreak |
| 18:11.52 | theorbtwo | grins. |
| 18:12.03 | Ancu | lol, no dice cbreak |
| 18:12.27 | cbreak | one has to be prepared to make sacrifices for science...! |
| 18:12.37 | Legorol | and for cbreak's guild bank, yes we know |
| 18:12.42 | theorbtwo | I do wonder if maybe they should do pattern-of-play testing, similar to how credit card componies do i. |
| 18:12.45 | theorbtwo | it. |
| 18:13.00 | Legorol | theorbtwo: overkill and impractical imo |
| 18:13.05 | Legorol | lot of WoW players can be very random |
| 18:13.09 | cbreak | a few of my guild members got hacked a few weeks ago |
| 18:13.20 | Ancu | code down, see alls lator |
| 18:13.28 | Legorol | see you :) |
| 18:13.28 | cbreak | one of my recommendations was that they enable parental protection for their wow account |
| 18:13.37 | cbreak | and prevent it from being usable on times they won't use it |
| 18:13.40 | cbreak | as mitigation strategy |
| 18:13.47 | Legorol | or just get an auth |
| 18:13.57 | cbreak | they both ordered one right away |
| 18:13.59 | cbreak | as did I |
| 18:14.00 | Legorol | simpler, safer, no hassle if you wake up in the middle of the night and can't sleep |
| 18:14.08 | cbreak | after 18 days, still not here |
| 18:14.13 | Legorol | >.< |
| 18:14.23 | Legorol | raid for me, bbl |
| 18:14.31 | cbreak | (well, the others have theirs, and I doubt anyone would manage to compromise my computer anyway... :) |
| 18:14.32 | cbreak | bb |
| 18:14.50 | theorbtwo | Aha, the interesting thing about an auth is, as noticed, you can still be MitMed, possibly, if it's done quickly. |
| 18:15.06 | theorbtwo | Er, not even MitMed, also keloggered. |
| 18:15.26 | DWSR | ah |
| 18:15.34 | DWSR | Nothing like Failblog to totally destroy your faith in humanity. |
| 18:15.47 | DWSR | Also, nothing like a Frag Dolls interview on WoW.com to make you want to club baby seals. |
| 18:16.09 | theorbtwo | Thus my wondering if they should ask for a reauthentication if you suddenly start selling all your worldly posessions. |
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| 18:20.23 | DWSR | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/129098713848115151.jpg <-- ahahaha |
| 18:21.16 | cbreak | theorbtwo: bank web pages do that often |
| 18:21.34 | cbreak | and there are some mitm techniques that can still bite you |
| 18:21.49 | Kraps | hey the ptr will be up soon! |
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| 18:22.27 | theorbtwo | cbreak: Yeah, my girlfriend's old bank ships you a sheet of one-time-pad numbers; you cross them out when you use them. |
| 18:22.28 | Kraps | theres activity on the ptr forum |
| 18:22.42 | cbreak | mine does that too |
| 18:22.45 | kneeki | Anyone have that nifty script which allows you to return the action ID of the current moused over button? |
| 18:22.50 | theorbtwo | There's a variety of problems with that, of course. |
| 18:23.02 | theorbtwo | ...but it is mitm-proof. |
| 18:23.44 | DWSR | ~api paged |
| 18:23.45 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_paged |
| 18:23.46 | DWSR | err. |
| 18:23.49 | DWSR | !api paged |
| 18:23.49 | lua_bot | ScrollingMessageFrame:PageDown: Scrolls the message frame's contents down by one page (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScrollingMessageFrame/PageDown) |
| 18:23.54 | DWSR | sigh |
| 18:24.00 | DWSR | !api Actionbar |
| 18:24.01 | lua_bot | Found 14 possible matches for 'Actionbar'. Please be more specific |
| 18:24.04 | DWSR | fu |
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| 18:34.11 | cbreak | theorbtwo: the MitM just has to wait until you initiate your own transaction, and it changes the designation. |
| 18:34.28 | theorbtwo | cbreak: Ah, good call. |
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| 19:09.01 | foxlit | The ME2 action bar is so spectacularly bugged it's not even funny |
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| 19:13.10 | alestane | kneeki: Something like /dump ActionButton_CalculateAction(GetMouseFocus()) ? |
| 19:13.22 | Kraps | moving stuff on the bar crashes the game foxlit |
| 19:13.28 | kneeki | alestane: I got it just using GetMouseFocus :) |
| 19:14.00 | alestane | Well, if it's a standard button, dump should print the .action field, yes. |
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| 19:15.44 | Lopeppeppy | If someone shoots me now, I don't have to do this stupid photo editing anymore. Please to shoot? |
| 19:17.04 | durcyn | Lopeppeppy: hop in my plane... |
| 19:17.15 | Thunder_Child | prods Lopeppeppy in the direction of PS |
| 19:17.38 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: I thought you told the sheeple you don't edit their JPEGs? |
| 19:18.31 | Ackis | "Families also chose such one-of-a-kind monikers as Argyll, Bison, Boss, Chaos, Cherubim, Dice, Helix, Kal-El, Lightning, Morpheous, Mystery, Thunder and Whip for boys; and Albertarose, Amazyn, Comfort, Epic, Fury, Fyre, Halleluya, Infiniti, Mischiefs, Mystique, Peanut, Twinkle, Victory and Whysper for girls." |
| 19:18.34 | Ackis | wtf |
| 19:18.38 | Ackis | Hi, I'm Peanut |
| 19:18.39 | Ackis | lulz |
| 19:18.46 | Ackis | Hey Whip! Come here boy! |
| 19:19.05 | alestane | One of my friends has a son named Vanyel Christian. |
| 19:19.17 | Lopeppeppy | Vanyel, I know that character. |
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| 19:19.33 | alestane | Vanyel Ashkevron, First Herald Mage in Valdemar. |
| 19:19.33 | Lopeppeppy | One of my friends is considering Shadoh, I think I ranted about this earlier in the week. |
| 19:19.43 | Ackis | I'm going to name my first child Fisker |
| 19:20.18 | alestane | Ackis: as for that list, they've all been trumped already for some years. Nothing beats Dweezel. |
| 19:21.27 | Ackis | that's a good name |
| 19:22.14 | Lopeppeppy | Moon Unit was pretty awesome too. |
| 19:22.52 | alestane | That's actually treated as a first and middle name: Moon U. Zappa. |
| 19:23.07 | Arrowmaster | MW2 needs to fucking stop putting me in games where the other team is one point away from winning |
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| 19:24.05 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck it just put me right back in the same game i quit out of |
| 19:33.27 | cbreak | why not? |
| 19:33.31 | cbreak | it makes sense to do that |
| 19:33.42 | cbreak | in cases of disconencts |
| 19:33.45 | cbreak | for example |
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| 19:43.59 | kneeki | Is it entirely difficult to have empty action buttons show up all the time instead of auto hiding? I'm having a hell of a time getting them to stay showing without causing taint :( |
| 19:44.42 | kneeki | in combat: http://imgur.com/crNt0 what I want: http://imgur.com/JHRh6 :( |
| 19:45.50 | alestane | kneeki: Depends on the code making the buttons. |
| 19:45.57 | kneeki | hrm |
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| 19:47.43 | kneeki | Well, the code appears to be using the same WoW buttons, just reskinning them. The skins are children to the blizzard button. |
| 19:49.11 | alestane | And you you have the "Always Show Action Bars" check box turned ion in the Action Bars section of your interface options? |
| 19:49.16 | alestane | and do* you |
| 19:50.24 | kneeki | Yup |
| 19:51.02 | kneeki | This only happens to the Main action bar ID's 1-12, and ID's 25-48 (side bar) |
| 19:51.24 | kneeki | Bottom left and right bars stay up always, regardless of combat. -_- |
| 19:52.02 | alestane | Are these the actual Blizzard action bars reskinned, or new bars created from the same templates? |
| 19:52.36 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/02/18/funny-pictures-sleepy-kitteh-stretching/ |
| 19:54.01 | cog|work | bangs his head on sheeple |
| 19:54.07 | alestane | kneeki: If you have an understanding of the controlling code, you can try unregistering the bars from the ACTIONBAR_HIDEGRID event. |
| 19:54.37 | kneeki | Well, pretty sure action bar 1 is a reskinning, but the side bars are creating new buttons, then assigning the contents of the button via the action ID |
| 19:54.40 | Lopeppeppy | pads the sheeple. Or should she pad cogwheel? |
| 19:54.47 | kneeki | Here is a pasty of the relevant code: http://www.wowi.pastey.net/133181 - also, i'll try that event! |
| 19:55.05 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: no pads imo /grumble |
| 19:55.19 | alestane | cog|work: They're soft and cushioned, perfect for that. |
| 19:56.12 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/02/18/funny-pictures-cat-strong-coffee/ |
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| 19:59.50 | kneeki | I don't think that event is what I need. It only fires once the grid has already been removed. |
| 20:00.07 | Vilkku | nevcairiel? sorry to beep, but wanted to remind you of the time presicion in quartz :P |
| 20:00.29 | Lopeppeppy | Rosie likes catnip toys. |
| 20:07.18 | zenzelezz | that's peculiar |
| 20:07.34 | Lopeppeppy | No, catnip is a normal cat treat, for about 80% of cats. |
| 20:07.38 | Lopeppeppy | Not peculiar at all! |
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| 20:09.13 | Arrowmaster | kneeki: messing with most of the default ui isnt possible without tainting |
| 20:09.19 | alestane | "It had its genesis some years ago when I drove from Orlando to New Orleans and formed some opinions about both places: in one, you go there and Fun is manufactured and presented to you, in the other you just eat and drink a lot and fun happens." |
| 20:09.24 | kneeki | Hrmph |
| 20:09.55 | Arrowmaster | although there might be a cvar for what you want that you should be changing |
| 20:10.02 | kneeki | oh? |
| 20:10.07 | kneeki | Where can I find such a list? |
| 20:10.10 | Arrowmaster | i dont really remember well |
| 20:10.11 | alestane | kneeki: It should be possible to get the behavior you want, but exactly how to go about doing so depends on the surrounding code. |
| 20:10.19 | Arrowmaster | look at the code for the default actionbars |
| 20:10.21 | alestane | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/cvars |
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| 20:10.35 | kneeki | thx! |
| 20:12.19 | cog|work | Shirik: NO U! |
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| 20:12.37 | cog|work | ~SEEN shirik |
| 20:12.40 | purl | shirik is currently on #norganna (7d 12h 14m 6s) #wowuidev (7d 12h 14m 6s) #wowace (7d 12h 14m 6s). Has said a total of 780 messages. Is idling for 4h 31m 58s, last said: 'I honestly thought Adys was talking to himself for a second'. |
| 20:12.55 | cog|work | that works |
| 20:13.57 | Adys | ~ping |
| 20:13.58 | purl | ~pong |
| 20:14.53 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep is good for the soul. |
| 20:16.41 | Ackis | so is heaven |
| 20:17.23 | Ackis | but ohhhh heaven is a place on earth |
| 20:17.53 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~seen purl |
| 20:17.54 | purl | purl is currently on #casualti (7d 21h 41m 35s) #botpark (7d 21h 41m 35s) #linuxfund (7d 21h 41m 35s) #waruidev (7d 21h 41m 35s) #how (7d 21h 41m 35s) #sc2mapster (7d 21h 41m 35s) #edev (7d 21h 41m 35s) #fossfund (7d 21h 41m 35s) #hosernet (7d 21h 41m 35s) #norganna (7d 21h 41m 35s) ##ducleague (7d 21h 41m 35s) #ud (7d 21h 41m 35s) ##kierra (7d 21h 41m ... |
| 20:19.07 | sylvanaar_atwork | purl you get around don't you? |
| 20:19.14 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 20:19.14 | purl | thanks, Lopeppeppy |
| 20:19.52 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~sit |
| 20:19.53 | purl | ACTION sits |
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| 20:20.11 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~botsnack |
| 20:20.11 | purl | thanks, sylvanaar_atwork |
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| 20:20.36 | sylvanaar_atwork | pets purl |
| 20:28.53 | alestane | "I'm giving up shame for lent. Here come the best 40 days and nights of my life." |
| 20:28.57 | cbreak | just don't give him ~botpoison |
| 20:29.25 | Lopeppeppy | Her. |
| 20:29.31 | Lopeppeppy | purl is a girl. :) |
| 20:29.51 | cbreak | sure. |
| 20:29.57 | cbreak | purl, what's your gender? |
| 20:30.08 | cbreak | seems to ignore me. you are probably right. |
| 20:30.57 | Lopeppeppy | She's been known to claim to be a hermaphrodite in the past, but overall she's a girl. |
| 20:35.18 | kd3 | yay! marks of honor going poof |
| 20:35.26 | Milyardo | \o/ |
| 20:35.35 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23307931060&sid=1 |
| 20:36.01 | cog|work | ~purl |
| 20:36.02 | purl | hmm... purl is a piece of very bad coding. |
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| 20:39.52 | Shirik | wat u wan cog|work |
| 20:40.20 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/browse/14098/toilet_prank.jpg |
| 20:41.14 | Shirik | mikma: win |
| 20:45.30 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/big_graphic.png |
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| 20:45.49 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:45.55 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 20:46.16 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:46.22 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 20:46.39 | Shirik | guess what you don't have |
| 20:46.42 | Shirik | sc2 beta lol |
| 20:47.39 | mikma | ouch |
| 20:47.45 | Adys | Shirik: you know |
| 20:47.48 | Adys | if you keep trolling |
| 20:47.53 | Adys | Ill give him a sc2 beta invite :) |
| 20:48.06 | Shirik | wtf |
| 20:48.09 | Shirik | that was a counter-troll |
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| 20:48.16 | Shirik | not a direct troll |
| 20:48.21 | Adys | isnt counter-trolling trolling in essence? |
| 20:48.28 | Shirik | no |
| 20:48.33 | Shirik | it is a form of troll prevention |
| 20:48.47 | foxlit | The two are not mutually exclusive. |
| 20:49.08 | Shirik | I prefer to call it "atypical social interaction" |
| 20:49.20 | pfctry | hai |
| 20:49.34 | Shirik | hi |
| 20:49.57 | pfctry | can someone help me out with a simple line of code? |
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| 20:51.10 | durcyn | ~asktoask |
| 20:51.11 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 20:51.29 | pfctry | ty ;o |
| 20:52.58 | pfctry | f:SetScript("OnDragStart", f:StartMoving() ) whai doesnt it work, i've registered it for drag, allowed drag and all that bullshit, pops an erron on logon and the frame gets stuck to the mouse, error says: Usage: <unnamed>:SetScript{"type", function} .... dont get it... |
| 20:53.37 | Shirik | uh |
| 20:53.53 | Shirik | f:SetScript("OnDragStart", function() return f:StartMoving() end) |
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| 20:54.12 | Shirik | SetScript takes a function |
| 20:54.19 | alestane | Or f:SetScript("OnDragStart", f.StartMoving) |
| 20:54.27 | mikma | takes a function to know a function |
| 20:54.28 | mikma | ahahah. |
| 20:54.37 | Shirik | ~lart mim |
| 20:54.37 | purl | executes killall -HUP mim |
| 20:54.39 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:54.42 | Shirik | I go away now |
| 20:54.47 | pfctry | f:SetScript("OnDragStart", f.StartMoving) tried it, doesnt work either |
| 20:54.57 | Kraps | mikma is a clever |
| 20:55.17 | Arrowmaster | i dont think you need to call startmoving from ondragstart |
| 20:56.08 | pfctry | i dont? dont see a diffrent way to make it draggable... |
| 20:56.42 | pfctry | f:SetScript("OnDragStart", f.StartMoving) gives no errors, addon works, but just dragging just doesnt work |
| 20:57.26 | pfctry | i've got |
| 20:57.27 | pfctry | f:RegisterForDrag("LeftButton"); |
| 20:57.28 | pfctry | f:SetMovable(true) |
| 20:57.30 | pfctry | before it |
| 20:57.33 | mikma | lets see how long does it take to uncrack a rar password |
| 20:57.53 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:58.00 | Fisker | btw Adys |
| 20:58.01 | Fisker | and Shirik |
| 20:58.03 | Fisker | i got the beta |
| 20:58.07 | DWSR | mikma: Depends on the strength of the password and the encryption used. |
| 20:58.10 | Shirik | negative |
| 20:58.19 | mikma | dwsr: "lol" is the magic word |
| 20:58.25 | Shirik | y u trollin Fisker |
| 20:58.31 | Fisker | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23280338178&postId=233054036500&sid=5010#53 |
| 20:58.38 | Fisker | umad Shirik |
| 20:58.42 | DWSR | mikma: heh |
| 20:58.52 | Shirik | that is fake fisker |
| 20:59.02 | mikma | fakesker |
| 20:59.15 | DWSR | faker <- fix't. |
| 20:59.20 | Sixen | lul |
| 20:59.30 | Sixen | photoshopped. |
| 20:59.50 | Fisker | lulz |
| 21:00.08 | Sixen | brb |
| 21:01.03 | Shirik | obviously photoshopped |
| 21:04.01 | kd3 | grr |
| 21:04.11 | kd3 | still can't get the stupid downloader to work |
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| 21:05.12 | Shirik | pets kd3 |
| 21:05.24 | Shirik | ohai Lopeppeppy |
| 21:05.27 | Shirik | you have been hiding today |
| 21:05.54 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hi. |
| 21:06.01 | Lopeppeppy | I've been right here pixel editing photos. |
| 21:06.04 | Lopeppeppy | One handed. |
| 21:06.05 | Thunder_Child | ...why cant i post in that da,m forum |
| 21:06.09 | Lopeppeppy | Makes it hard to type too. |
| 21:06.10 | Thunder_Child | damn* |
| 21:06.31 | Thunder_Child | oh..blated EU |
| 21:06.45 | Thunder_Child | blasted* |
| 21:06.48 | Thunder_Child | and no... |
| 21:06.50 | Shirik | it's ok we don't like the brits anyway |
| 21:07.23 | Thunder_Child | "The account you are logged in with is not able to post on this forum." |
| 21:07.26 | Lopeppeppy | Blame canada! With all their hockey hullabaloo. |
| 21:07.28 | Thunder_Child | i hate you blizzard |
| 21:07.42 | Cairenn|afk | cries at Lopeppeppy |
| 21:07.52 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't mention the bitch! *grin* |
| 21:07.59 | Lopeppeppy | I wish I could watch the skating. |
| 21:08.00 | Cairenn|afk | ! |
| 21:08.09 | Cairenn|afk | is NOT feeling the love |
| 21:08.15 | kd3 | ah hah, there we go |
| 21:08.29 | kd3 | updated version of wowtorrentex <3 |
| 21:08.37 | kd3 | lets deluge do its thing |
| 21:08.49 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. *hug* |
| 21:08.52 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 21:08.56 | Fisker | i don't hate you anymore |
| 21:09.00 | Cairenn | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 21:09.00 | Fisker | especially not since you can't play |
| 21:09.01 | Fisker | haha |
| 21:09.10 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me, Fisker. |
| 21:09.19 | kd3 | how's that? I'm downloading now. I expect I'll be good to go in a few hours |
| 21:09.41 | Fisker | why would i bite you Lopeppeppy ? |
| 21:09.45 | nicoli_s | hope yer hand feels better soon Lopeppeppy |
| 21:09.56 | Thunder_Child | we need to get a list together of eveyones game name. |
| 21:09.59 | Fisker | giev updated version of wowtorrentex btw |
| 21:10.16 | Fisker | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23280338178&postId=233054036500&sid=5010#53 <-that's why i don't hate you btw kd3 |
| 21:10.18 | kd3 | http://capnbry.net/wow/downloads/WoWTorrentEx-4.zip |
| 21:10.30 | kd3 | lmao |
| 21:11.44 | Thunder_Child | you know, they could differ the names of the boards a bit more to know what is EU and what isnt. http://forums.battle.net/board.html?forumId=25352525&sid=5000 US http://forums.battle.net/board.html?forumId=25352531&sid=5010 EU |
| 21:11.53 | Ackis | lol ilu Fisker |
| 21:12.15 | Fisker | :D |
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| 21:12.33 | Fisker | easy fix Thunder_Child |
| 21:12.43 | Fisker | "Starcraft 2 Beta (ALL FUCKING COUNTRIES OK?)" |
| 21:12.51 | Thunder_Child | that would be better |
| 21:13.01 | Thunder_Child | are there different country servers as well? |
| 21:13.05 | Fisker | well maybe still keep the language dependant forums just so they have some place to discuss in their national langauage |
| 21:13.11 | Fisker | yep it's region locked again |
| 21:13.14 | Thunder_Child | (#*&#@$ |
| 21:13.24 | Fisker | their new "real id" can't even be used across regions |
| 21:13.34 | amro | yeah it's retarded |
| 21:13.34 | Fisker | though i recall them stating that was one of their goals with battle.net lol |
| 21:13.46 | amro | pure fail imo |
| 21:13.55 | Thunder_Child | so i cant whomp you in SC2 :( |
| 21:14.11 | Fisker | i hope they change it for retail |
| 21:14.24 | Fisker | though of course it shouldn't matchmake people with bad pings |
| 21:17.50 | cbreak | so you can't play with friends? |
| 21:17.56 | cbreak | major failure |
| 21:17.59 | Thunder_Child | not if they are diff regions |
| 21:18.11 | cbreak | that's like removing all raiding/instancing unless you join a random dungeon |
| 21:18.14 | cbreak | solo... |
| 21:18.29 | cbreak | oh great... |
| 21:18.39 | alestane | Keep in mind that that may be a simplification for testing reasons. |
| 21:18.52 | Lopeppeppy | I'm very sure it is. |
| 21:19.04 | cbreak | usually, testing is less simple than reality. otherwise testing would be pointless |
| 21:19.17 | Ackis | cbreak: the major failure is that they're charging you for 3 games to get the whole campaign :P |
| 21:19.23 | Lopeppeppy | Start with the basics. Add in new features once the basic set is proven okay. |
| 21:19.24 | Thunder_Child | SC2 is $10 off at amazon, dunno if it's limited or not http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000ZKA0J6/ref=nosim/mmbevigaotst-20 |
| 21:19.31 | cbreak | Ackis: I can live with that |
| 21:19.36 | cbreak | not like I want to play zerg anyway |
| 21:19.39 | alestane | Ackis: But the campaigns will be three times as long. |
| 21:19.40 | Thunder_Child | "Official pricing and release date have not been announced by the publisher. These are estimates only and subject to change." nvm |
| 21:19.55 | Ackis | alestane: can you play all three factions multiplayer? |
| 21:19.59 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 21:20.02 | alestane | They have stated so. |
| 21:20.06 | Fisker | SC2 isn't GFW anymore pow |
| 21:20.16 | kneeki | A friend of mine got the SC2 invite today as well :) |
| 21:20.19 | Ackis | they should make it GFWL |
| 21:20.23 | kneeki | I got to play two games. I got stomped |
| 21:20.25 | kneeki | :( |
| 21:20.26 | Ackis | if it was GFWL I'd play it Fisker |
| 21:20.29 | Thunder_Child | though besides new storylines we are not sure what thing will be introduced with the xpacs |
| 21:20.34 | kd3 | grr at gfwl |
| 21:20.36 | kd3 | grrrrrr |
| 21:20.44 | alestane | The second two games will be more in the lines of expansion packs...campaigns for the other races and possibly some new units or buildings. |
| 21:21.02 | Ackis | kd3: I like GFWL, I get xbox achievements on my PC |
| 21:21.11 | alestane | The FAQs say that all three races will be available in multiplayer from the first game. |
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| 21:21.21 | Thunder_Child | didnt i just say that alestane? |
| 21:21.21 | kd3 | dotnet35 doesn't work in wine, so no gfwl |
| 21:21.27 | kd3 | and no batman arkham asylum |
| 21:21.33 | Fisker | Install windows |
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| 21:21.41 | alestane | Thunder_Child: Just not in as many words;) |
| 21:21.43 | Lopeppeppy | Install doors. |
| 21:21.53 | Ackis | kd3: no fallout 3, no halo 2, no RE5, etc |
| 21:21.58 | Thunder_Child | alestane: Less > More |
| 21:22.00 | kd3 | indeed |
| 21:22.12 | alestane | I didn't say that you said it worse. |
| 21:22.25 | kd3 | that, and I bought b:aa from steam. why the hell do I need yet another login? |
| 21:22.26 | kd3 | sighs |
| 21:22.36 | alestane | I am frequently verbose. Sometimes usefully, sometimes less so. |
| 21:22.50 | VonhintenHOME` | Anyone know if Altoholic has LDB support? |
| 21:22.53 | Thunder_Child | alestane: neither did i, i am just stating that why use more words when you dont have to |
| 21:23.12 | alestane | It can make communications richer. |
| 21:23.21 | Thunder_Child | unless you are getting paid by the word |
| 21:23.27 | alestane | It can also make them more obfuscated. Depends on the parties to the communication. |
| 21:23.33 | Thunder_Child | stopid school books |
| 21:23.45 | Thunder_Child | stupid* |
| 21:25.15 | zenzelezz | "Microsoft on Thursday confirmed that the blue screen of death issues that affected a slew of users after the latest batch of Patch Tuesday updates is the result of an existing infection by the Alureon rootkit." o_O |
| 21:25.44 | alestane | zenzelezz: Yes, apparently the rootkit developers released a patch that fixes it. |
| 21:25.46 | Ackis | zenzelezz: I posted a link yesterday about the root kit people providing a patch |
| 21:25.49 | cbreak | yeah. that was funny :) |
| 21:25.59 | cbreak | people moan about getting bluescreens after a patch |
| 21:26.03 | cbreak | blaming microsof |
| 21:26.08 | zenzelezz | Ackis: I get my news from Slashdot, so I'm always a little behind |
| 21:26.11 | cbreak | and in the end it was their config that was screwed up :) |
| 21:26.22 | cbreak | zenzelezz: was on /. a few days ago too I think |
| 21:26.23 | Ackis | zenzelezz: I got that from fark.com lol |
| 21:26.36 | zenzelezz | cbreak: that's possible, they *are* known for repeating news |
| 21:26.52 | zenzelezz | "Microsoft killed my PC" is about as common as "Onyxia DBs more" was |
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| 21:30.06 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/02/do_want_adidas_darth_vader_tra.php |
| 21:30.34 | Milyardo | :q! |
| 21:30.55 | Ackis | lua> for i=1,10000,1 do print("Fisker") end |
| 21:30.57 | lua_bot | Ackis: Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisker, Fisk... (result truncated) |
| 21:31.04 | Ackis | hmm |
| 21:31.28 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:31.34 | Ackis | *gasp* |
| 21:31.39 | mikma | http://5z8.info/twitterhack_t8q7_malicious-cookie |
| 21:31.43 | Ackis | "Dear Blizzard my SC2 beta key was stolenz" |
| 21:32.02 | Ackis | I clicked that link |
| 21:32.04 | alestane | lua> print("lua> return 5") |
| 21:32.04 | Ackis | :( |
| 21:32.05 | lua_bot | alestane: lua> return 5 |
| 21:32.13 | Ackis | now my cookies aren't good |
| 21:32.18 | alestane | Yeah, I sort of thought that wouldn't work. |
| 21:32.25 | mikma | http://5z8.info/IE-exploiter_r1f3_toosexyfortv.mov |
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| 21:32.48 | Fisker | what does that do mikma? |
| 21:33.01 | alestane | Redirects to barbie.com, apparently. |
| 21:33.02 | Shadowed | "Don't just shorten your URL, make it suspicious and frightening." |
| 21:33.08 | Fisker | oh |
| 21:33.09 | Shadowed | amusing |
| 21:33.09 | Fisker | nice |
| 21:33.18 | Fisker | but it's not working |
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| 21:33.23 | Fisker | since "twitterhack" gives it away |
| 21:33.34 | mikma | http://5z8.info/super-nsfw_t3z7_mydick |
| 21:33.47 | mikma | i love that site |
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| 21:46.48 | kneeki | I clicked it because nsfw and dick was in the link... oh the disapointment |
| 21:49.26 | jnwhiteh | heheh |
| 21:49.42 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaRcWB3jwMo&feature=player_embedded |
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| 21:53.58 | olafski | oh nice.. removing battleground marks of honor :o |
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| 21:57.05 | AlicanC | hey, how do I get the value of the edit box in the OnTextChanged function of it? |
| 21:57.58 | AlicanC | i think its editbox:GetText(); but i dont really have the "editbox" var defined |
| 21:59.08 | alestane | Are you defining your script in Lua, or XML? |
| 21:59.26 | Fisker | jnwhiteh you are not Shirik |
| 21:59.32 | jnwhiteh | this is true. |
| 22:00.58 | AlicanC | alestane, errm I am using AddOn Studio thing. I have Frame.xml and Frame.lua |
| 22:01.26 | foxlit | use "this" instead of "editbox" |
| 22:01.29 | durcyn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaRcWB3jwMo |
| 22:01.30 | foxlit | hides |
| 22:02.16 | alestane | AlicanC: Firstly, most of us strongly discourage using AddOn Studio. |
| 22:02.46 | alestane | foxlit's suggestion may work (at least until Cataclysm comes out), but is also strongly discouraged. |
| 22:03.20 | AlicanC | you can't know how much pain I have while using the addon studio |
| 22:03.40 | AlicanC | i started to get chills when I saw it was installing VS2008 stuff |
| 22:03.53 | olafski | lol at some of the stuff on that geekologie site |
| 22:03.57 | alestane | If you open the Frame.xml file, in a text editor for example, there is probably a part wrapped in an <OnTextChanged> element. |
| 22:04.46 | AlicanC | nice ive done it |
| 22:05.42 | alestane | Oh? |
| 22:06.08 | AlicanC | lol how do I concat strings? :D |
| 22:06.15 | AlicanC | "string"+"string" ? |
| 22:06.21 | AlicanC | "string"."string"? |
| 22:06.23 | olafski | string1..string2 iirc |
| 22:06.41 | olafski | might've been another language, I'm a bit tired.. so cya and gl ;) |
| 22:06.53 | zenzelezz | it's .. |
| 22:07.24 | AlicanC | ty |
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| 22:09.51 | AlicanC | soo, arrays are called tables in lua? |
| 22:10.15 | AlicanC | damn its weird |
| 22:10.39 | AlicanC | all those years of hating <table> in HTML, now I have to use them in lua lol |
| 22:10.42 | alestane | Not exaclty true. Tables can be used to create arrays. |
| 22:10.55 | alestane | They can also be used to create records. |
| 22:11.16 | zenzelezz | tables are tables |
| 22:11.33 | alestane | An array is a particular way of using a table. |
| 22:12.14 | Cide | tables are not in any way related to <table> |
| 22:12.23 | Cide | and as a web designer you'd be stupid to hate <table> |
| 22:12.35 | zenzelezz | agreed |
| 22:12.39 | Cide | just don't use them for purposes they're not meant to be used for |
| 22:13.05 | AlicanC | Cide, .... |
| 22:13.31 | Cide | AlicanC, .... |
| 22:13.37 | AlicanC | wtf with ppl with useless comments in every chan |
| 22:13.58 | Cide | I only give useful comments |
| 22:13.58 | zenzelezz | to be fair, you brought it on yourself by comparing two unrelated uses of a word |
| 22:14.03 | durcyn | Cide knows what he's talking about, unlike some. |
| 22:14.43 | AlicanC | where did i say tables in HTML is the same thing with tables in Lua? |
| 22:14.53 | amro | you implied it |
| 22:14.57 | Cide | <AlicanC> all those years of hating <table> in HTML, now I have to use them in lua lol |
| 22:15.24 | durcyn | AFTER YEARS OF SITTING AT TABLES, I AM FINALLY GOING TO LEARN HOW TO USE A CHAIR </ballmer> |
| 22:15.39 | foxlit | <ballmer> Nonsense, chairs are for throwing. |
| 22:15.53 | durcyn | face it, your joke was terrible, move on. |
| 22:18.06 | AlicanC | how do you guys split a string? |
| 22:18.22 | AlicanC | something like val1,val2,val3 |
| 22:18.22 | alestane | That can mean a few different things. |
| 22:18.31 | foxlit | You try very hard not to. |
| 22:18.54 | alestane | If you want all the parts of a string that are spearated by a character, in WoW you use string.split(",", str) |
| 22:19.33 | alestane | If you want to split it apart after certain numbers of characters, you use string.sub. |
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| 22:19.39 | AlicanC | hmm these kinda reminds me off javascript |
| 22:19.44 | AlicanC | *of |
| 22:20.11 | foxlit | My irrelevant opinion is that string.split is evil. |
| 22:20.16 | Cide | that is fully possible |
| 22:20.28 | Cide | they're both programming languages, for example |
| 22:20.37 | alestane | Way simpler to use in many cases than string.gmatch, though. |
| 22:20.51 | AlicanC | "match", humm, its regexp? |
| 22:20.54 | foxlit | alestane: in most cases, however, you want a string.match |
| 22:21.13 | alestane | If you want a set number of returns, match works fine. |
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| 22:21.23 | alestane | But is clunkier to write. |
| 22:21.44 | alestane | Since you have to write out the number of repetitions you want. |
| 22:21.59 | foxlit | split is the epitome of inconvenience, really. The only clean way to use it is to pass it off to a function, which is still a function call for no reason. |
| 22:22.53 | alestane | At least, I don't believe that Lua patterns handle cases like "([^,]+,?)*" |
| 22:23.16 | cbreak | alestane: try :) |
| 22:24.01 | AlicanC | table.foreach(string.split(",", this:GetText()), function(k,v) DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("|cff00ff00"..k..":"..v.."|r"); end); |
| 22:24.04 | AlicanC | fails :S |
| 22:24.15 | alestane | Ugh, foreach. |
| 22:24.23 | AlicanC | ehm, sorry |
| 22:24.36 | AlicanC | first time coding in Lua/WoW API |
| 22:24.56 | alestane | For that to work at all, it would have to be |
| 22:24.57 | alestane | able.foreach({string.split(",", this:GetText())}, function(k,v) DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("|cff00ff00"..k..":"..v.."|r"); end) |
| 22:26.06 | AlicanC | ty :) |
| 22:26.37 | alestane | But that's better written as |
| 22:26.37 | alestane | for i, substring in ipairs{string.split(",", selfthis:GetText())} do |
| 22:26.37 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.38 | alestane | end |
| 22:26.48 | alestane | Er, self rather than selfthis. |
| 22:27.30 | cbreak | why not use string.gmatch? |
| 22:27.43 | AlicanC | cuz im a newbie |
| 22:27.50 | alestane | Now in that case, it does actually make reasonable sense to use gmatch. |
| 22:28.09 | cbreak | gmatch is probably perfect to iterate over matches in a string |
| 22:28.52 | AlicanC | im just trying to fill a "players" variable from an editbox value like "player1,player2,.." |
| 22:29.31 | alestane | Depends on the code structure, then, either method could work. But foreach is an evil relic of a bygone age. |
| 22:30.33 | cbreak | > s = "player1, player2, player3; player4" for p in string.gmatch(s, "(%w*)") do print(p) end |
| 22:30.34 | cbreak | hope this works |
| 22:30.39 | cbreak | lua> s = "player1, player2, player3; player4" for p in string.gmatch(s, "(%w*)") do print(p) end |
| 22:30.39 | lua_bot | cbreak: player1, , , player2, , , player3, , , player4, |
| 22:30.51 | cbreak | hmm.needs tweaking :) |
| 22:31.22 | alestane | lua> s = "player1, player2, player3; player4" for p in string.gmatch(s, "[^,]+") do print(p) end |
| 22:31.23 | lua_bot | alestane: player1, player2, player3; player4 |
| 22:31.30 | AlicanC | lua> while(true){} |
| 22:31.31 | lua_bot | AlicanC: luabot:1: 'do' expected near '<eof>' |
| 22:31.35 | AlicanC | :( |
| 22:31.44 | alestane | lua> s = "player1, player2, player3, player4" for p in string.gmatch(s, "[^,]+") do print(p) end |
| 22:31.44 | lua_bot | alestane: player1, player2, player3, player4 |
| 22:32.04 | cbreak | alestane: player names can't contain spaces and semicolons |
| 22:32.35 | alestane | lua> s = "player1, player2, player3, player4" for p in string.gmatch(s, "[^, ;]+") do print(p) end |
| 22:32.36 | lua_bot | alestane: player1, player2, player3, player4 |
| 22:32.38 | alestane | then |
| 22:32.55 | cbreak | I would say %w is better |
| 22:33.07 | AlicanC | well, it doesnt have to be fail proof at all |
| 22:33.30 | AlicanC | since the input will be from a PHP page which fetches players names of a guild from armory |
| 22:33.43 | AlicanC | *grammar |
| 22:33.46 | cbreak | string.gmatch(s, "(%w*)") seems to do it, but you'd have to ignore empty matches |
| 22:33.51 | durcyn | doesn't %w still explode on non-ascii characters |
| 22:34.22 | foxlit | [^ stuff] wouldn't expode either. |
| 22:34.26 | alestane | lua> s = "player1, player2, player3; player4" for p in string.gmatch(s, "%w+") do print(p) end |
| 22:34.27 | lua_bot | alestane: player1, player2, player3, player4 |
| 22:34.29 | foxlit | er. |
| 22:34.42 | foxlit | Wrong direction :/ |
| 22:34.45 | alestane | gmatch doesn't need captures for a simple case llike this. |
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| 22:35.54 | cbreak | %w is defined as being all alphanumeric characters |
| 22:36.14 | cbreak | probably not including those required for UTF-8 multi-byte glyphs |
| 22:36.18 | ZorbaTHut | I always feel like %w should be whitespace :( |
| 22:36.45 | cbreak | ZorbaTHut: I feel the same about %s |
| 22:37.00 | cbreak | %w probably comes from "words" |
| 22:37.26 | ZorbaTHut | but numbers aren't part of words, and apostrophes are |
| 22:37.33 | zenzelezz | [[:space:]] ! |
| 22:37.36 | alestane | %w classes can also refer to different set of characters depending on the locale with which Lua was compiled. All WoW clients run Lua in the same locale, however. |
| 22:37.37 | zenzelezz | or is it [:[... |
| 22:37.50 | cbreak | ZorbaTHut: u 4r3 not l33t! |
| 22:38.20 | AlicanC | how can I check if a key in an array exists? |
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| 22:38.27 | AlicanC | players[key]==nil? |
| 22:38.42 | cbreak | yeah |
| 22:38.45 | alestane | "Exists" basically means "is not nil." |
| 22:38.48 | cbreak | or players[key] |
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| 22:39.02 | cbreak | (which means is not nil or false) |
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| 22:39.40 | AlicanC | in PHP that would fail since it tries to get players[key] to test if its null :P |
| 22:39.54 | alestane | Lua ~= PHP |
| 22:40.00 | AlicanC | yup |
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| 22:40.08 | ZorbaTHut | and thank god for that |
| 22:40.15 | AlicanC | why? :P |
| 22:40.20 | ZorbaTHut | because php is awful? |
| 22:40.21 | Kraps | What's the difference between the government and the Mafia? One of them is organized. |
| 22:40.26 | cbreak | PHP is a mess |
| 22:40.47 | AlicanC | nah |
| 22:41.11 | ZorbaTHut | there's basically nothing good to say about it. it's a huge pile of hacks and specialized magic. the function names aren't standardized, the APIs are simultaneously too huge and too incapable, the language itself is a counterintuitive mess |
| 22:41.19 | ZorbaTHut | javascript is better than php. |
| 22:41.57 | cbreak | but javascript is _evil_ |
| 22:42.03 | AlicanC | ZorbaTHut, and I "love" that mess |
| 22:42.15 | ZorbaTHut | alicanc, then I truly feel sorry for you :P |
| 22:42.16 | AlicanC | I cba with namespaces and shiz |
| 22:42.17 | cbreak | some people like getting whipped. |
| 22:42.26 | cbreak | some people even like perl |
| 22:42.29 | ZorbaTHut | no language makes namespaces mandatory. |
| 22:42.36 | ZorbaTHut | (well okay none I know of) |
| 22:42.38 | cbreak | java?:) |
| 22:42.46 | foxlit | cbreak: default package |
| 22:43.00 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, isn't there a single line you can type in to import stuff into the default namespace? |
| 22:43.10 | cbreak | sure. using. |
| 22:43.16 | cbreak | I think. |
| 22:43.34 | ZorbaTHut | as far as I'm concerned, if you can do it with a single line of code, it's not worth mentioning :P |
| 22:43.46 | Tuller | ruhroh, I forgot java |
| 22:44.06 | AlicanC | I hate doing stuff like string.gmatch |
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| 22:44.17 | AlicanC | i bet there are no other functions named gmatch |
| 22:44.23 | ZorbaTHut | local gmatch = string.gmatch |
| 22:44.25 | AlicanC | so why string.gmatch instead of gmatch? |
| 22:44.25 | ZorbaTHut | problem solved |
| 22:44.35 | durcyn | because it's imported from stringlib |
| 22:44.35 | ZorbaTHut | (as a bonus, it'll even run slightly faster) |
| 22:45.29 | foxlit | ("stuff"):gmatch("foo") really |
| 22:45.29 | ZorbaTHut | hell, if you're working in your own environment (don't do this in a wow ui mod) for k, v in pairs(string) do _G[k] = v end -- tada, whole thing is imported into the default namespace |
| 22:45.29 | alestane | Actually, I think gmatch is usually still available as a global. But it's deprecated. |
| 22:45.29 | cbreak | lua> gmatch = function () print("Hey AlicanC!") end; gmatch() |
| 22:45.29 | lua_bot | cbreak: Hey AlicanC! |
| 22:45.42 | alestane | lua gmatch |
| 22:45.48 | alestane | lua> gmatch |
| 22:45.48 | lua_bot | alestane: nil |
| 22:45.54 | alestane | k, maybe ont anymore. |
| 22:45.56 | alestane | not* |
| 22:46.11 | alestane | lua> match |
| 22:46.12 | lua_bot | alestane: nil |
| 22:46.20 | foxlit | lua> strgmatch |
| 22:46.20 | lua_bot | foxlit: nil |
| 22:46.31 | foxlit | On the other hand, I'm not sure if that's the right environment |
| 22:46.32 | ZorbaTHut | seriously: "11111111111111111117" == "11111111111111111118" => True |
| 22:46.38 | ZorbaTHut | how can you defend a language where this is the case |
| 22:47.10 | alestane | lua> strmatch |
| 22:47.11 | lua_bot | alestane: nil |
| 22:47.19 | cbreak | ZorbaTHut: which ever it is, I bet it's used for governmental budgets |
| 22:47.57 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, PHP :D |
| 22:48.11 | haste | PHP has oddfucks such as ====================== tho' |
| 22:48.14 | haste | but anyway, gn |
| 22:48.48 | Kraps | HOLY SHIT http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/23307931060-battleground-and-honor-changes-on-the-horizon.html |
| 22:49.06 | AlicanC | Kraps, lol |
| 22:49.10 | ZorbaTHut | http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=23110 look at this totally awesome bug. resolved as being a "documentation issue" |
| 22:49.20 | AlicanC | ZorbaTHut, I dont think any of your variables will reach those values anytime soon :) |
| 22:49.46 | cbreak | it's a string |
| 22:50.02 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: so your entire complaint is addressed by just using === for the comparison operator? |
| 22:50.32 | AlicanC | cbreak, oh |
| 22:50.34 | AlicanC | :) |
| 22:50.38 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, the mere existence of == is a problem that is representative of the deep issues in PHP |
| 22:50.47 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 22:50.56 | ZorbaTHut | it's a bit of language cruft that had horrible hacks grafted on, one at a time, because the developers thought it would be convenient |
| 22:51.00 | foxlit | String a = "foo", b = "foo"; System.out.println(a == b); // false |
| 22:51.09 | foxlit | THE LANGUAGE IS HORRIBLY BROKEN. |
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| 22:51.18 | ZorbaTHut | then it was deprecated and they added a new item that will no doubt be grafted onto further |
| 22:51.19 | AlicanC | laughs. |
| 22:51.20 | Cide7 | hi |
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| 22:51.31 | Kraps | Now that we hopefully have your attention, we're pleased to announce the implementation of the Random Battleground system! |
| 22:51.32 | ZorbaTHut | == is sanely defined in Java. it's not sanely defined in PHP. |
| 22:51.45 | Kraps | 's brain asplodes |
| 22:51.57 | foxlit | You're cheating on that sanity definition. |
| 22:52.11 | nevcairiel | and they say it will be a minor patch, no big content patch .. maybe we wont see content afterall |
| 22:52.15 | AlicanC | errm how do I set a fontstring's variable in my frame? |
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| 22:52.22 | nevcairiel | those changes have the colume for a content patch, tbh |
| 22:52.31 | AlicanC | how do I even get a var that represents my frame? |
| 22:52.32 | theorbtwo | If you are calling numbers having 32-bit range by default as a problem with ==, then you are simply insane. |
| 22:52.39 | ZorbaTHut | http://toykeeper.net/soapbox/php_problems/ seriously, look at item 20 and tell me that this is a reasonable definition |
| 22:52.42 | ZorbaTHut | theorb, no, those aren't numbers |
| 22:52.44 | ZorbaTHut | those are strings |
| 22:52.56 | theorbtwo | OK, now that is crazy. |
| 22:53.02 | alestane | AlicanC: The name of your frame, if you gave it one, is also the name of a global variable containing your frame. |
| 22:53.08 | AlicanC | cool |
| 22:53.16 | AlicanC | so how do I find my font string in it? |
| 22:53.20 | AlicanC | xpath()? lol |
| 22:53.44 | alestane | Or, within the scripts of a frame in the XML, the name "self" refers to the frame for which the script was called. |
| 22:53.45 | ZorbaTHut | in PHP, == isn't transitive. I think that sums it up. |
| 22:54.01 | cbreak | transitive? |
| 22:54.14 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, a==b and b==c does not imply a==c |
| 22:54.23 | cbreak | ... wtf |
| 22:54.23 | ZorbaTHut | and that's without doing any sort of operator overloading, that's with native base types. |
| 22:54.23 | foxlit | Again, use === |
| 22:54.38 | foxlit | == is clearly not equality as you define it in PHP. |
| 22:54.47 | cbreak | foxlit: === only seems to be for comparing things of different types |
| 22:54.49 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, then why does == exist? |
| 22:54.59 | ZorbaTHut | is it the same reason mysql_escape_string exists? |
| 22:55.00 | cbreak | if the types are the same |
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| 22:55.08 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: because in some circumstances, it is the desired behavior. |
| 22:55.14 | foxlit | cbreak: it compares things without coercion. |
| 22:55.41 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, and that's another problem with php |
| 22:55.42 | Dewin | so 0 == "0" and 0 == "", IIRC |
| 22:55.52 | ZorbaTHut | that's why php has ten separate sort functions |
| 22:55.55 | Dewin | Though the fact that !$foo == true when $foo is string "0" is annoying sometimes |
| 22:56.03 | ZorbaTHut | that's why php has built-in API support for rot13 |
| 22:56.08 | zenzelezz | <ZorbaTHut> is it the same reason mysql_escape_string exists? <-- let's not forget mysql_real_escape_string |
| 22:56.10 | ZorbaTHut | because, in some circumstances, you might want it! :D |
| 22:57.07 | AlicanC | Fails: Frame.FontString2.text="Player: "..players[selectedplayer]; |
| 22:57.11 | AlicanC | :( |
| 22:57.18 | Dewin | zenzelezz: There used to be a PHP function for escaping data to send to MySQL. Now the MySQL API also defines a function, but with slightly different semantics (namely, character set support). Taht's the reason for the difference |
| 22:57.29 | Dewin | that being said, I hate PHP with a passion and I'm stuck using it anways. |
| 22:58.47 | zenzelezz | Dewin: that's not how I read the documentation |
| 22:58.49 | zenzelezz | "This function is identical to mysql_real_escape_string() except that mysql_real_escape_string() takes a connection handler and escapes the string according to the current character set. mysql_escape_string() does not take a connection argument and does not respect the current charset setting. " |
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| 22:59.56 | Cide | the best part is how php compares numbers to strings that can be represented as hexadecimal numbers |
| 23:00.23 | cbreak | what the hell |
| 23:00.31 | Dewin | well ,the end result is the same |
| 23:00.36 | cbreak | var_dump(" 0xa" == " 10") -> true |
| 23:00.45 | Dewin | cbreak: Seriously? |
| 23:00.53 | Dewin | In that particular instance they'd both be compared as strings |
| 23:00.58 | cbreak | it gets worse |
| 23:01.11 | cbreak | Dewin: I tried it with my local php |
| 23:01.14 | foxlit | [numeric strings are compared as numbers] |
| 23:01.16 | cbreak | that's actual output |
| 23:01.18 | Amarande | man, sometimes one wonders why people write web stuff in PHP |
| 23:01.23 | cbreak | it's got a space in! |
| 23:01.24 | Amarande | why not just write it in C or something sane :) |
| 23:01.30 | Dewin | oh, wow, you're right. |
| 23:01.31 | cbreak | anyway, worse: |
| 23:01.34 | cbreak | guess what var_dump("a 0xa" == "a 10") gives |
| 23:01.41 | Amarande | true! |
| 23:01.56 | cbreak | "Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_LNUMBER in /Users/cbreak/Downloads/- on line 1" |
| 23:01.59 | alestane | I'd hope it couldn't numerize those. |
| 23:02.01 | foxlit | false |
| 23:02.05 | foxlit | Because it's not a numeric string |
| 23:02.09 | foxlit | So they compare as strings. |
| 23:02.19 | Dewin | .... it just gives false, not a parse error |
| 23:02.38 | cbreak | hmm. |
| 23:02.39 | Dewin | at least in 5.2.11-2 |
| 23:03.00 | cbreak | maybe it gets confused by my piping |
| 23:03.01 | ZorbaTHut | php's sole saving grace is that it's not MUMPS |
| 23:03.56 | Amarande | yes, I think I would rather code in php than get the mumps |
| 23:04.07 | Amarande | actually, I'd probably rather code in Intercal than get the mumps, but that's another story LOL |
| 23:04.17 | cbreak | I already got the mumps |
| 23:04.19 | cbreak | so I am immune |
| 23:04.23 | Dewin | Amarande: How about COBOL? |
| 23:04.34 | ZorbaTHut | cobol, from what I know, is far better than mumps |
| 23:04.41 | Dewin | okay. Brainfuck. |
| 23:04.42 | Amarande | Dewin: COBOL isn't *quite* as bad as Intercal. :) |
| 23:05.00 | ZorbaTHut | here I'll paste in a line of production mumps code |
| 23:05.06 | Amarande | Brainfuck might actually be worth learning, as it's probably the sort of logic one has to wrap oneself around to understand low level processor design and the like :) |
| 23:05.12 | ZorbaTHut | S X=$E(X,%+1,99) G PM:Y="" I +X'=X D DMW S X=% |
| 23:05.30 | cbreak | funny. |
| 23:05.36 | Amarande | Zorba: mumps code? swell_organ(ORGAN_SALIVARY_GLANDS, 3.00); |
| 23:05.53 | ZorbaTHut | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUMPS arguably, worse than actually getting mumps |
| 23:05.54 | Dewin | Amarande: You'd probably learn more from disassembling (and hacking on) programs |
| 23:06.07 | cbreak | you can make two strings that are not equal equal by prepending the same string |
| 23:06.07 | foxlit | Learn low-level processor design to understand low-level processor design, tbh. |
| 23:06.19 | Dewin | ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>. |
| 23:06.24 | Dewin | or: "Hello World" in brainfuck. |
| 23:07.07 | VonhintenHOME` | sigh |
| 23:07.18 | VonhintenHOME` | such a waste of time |
| 23:07.22 | cbreak | oh, you can make two equal strings that become unequal when you add the same string at the end |
| 23:07.52 | Amarande | Zorba: that sounds like a simplified, acid-trip edition of BASIC |
| 23:08.10 | Amarande | and by simplified I mean made "simple", not "easy" :) |
| 23:09.38 | AlicanC | "self.FontString2.text" attempt to index global self a nil value?? |
| 23:09.57 | cbreak | yeah. |
| 23:09.59 | AlicanC | same with Frame... |
| 23:10.16 | AlicanC | Frame.FontBlah |
| 23:10.27 | cbreak | what do you expect? :) |
| 23:10.54 | Dewin | did you call foo.bar() instead of foo:bar() perhaps? |
| 23:11.19 | AlicanC | did I? :D |
| 23:11.32 | cbreak | what did you expect to be inside self? |
| 23:11.36 | cbreak | what did you put in? |
| 23:12.06 | AlicanC | i dont know! :D |
| 23:12.37 | cbreak | <badcop>I know you know what was inside!</badcop> |
| 23:13.11 | cbreak | <goodcop>I understand that you don't know what self contains, you have after all never defined it</goodcop> |
| 23:14.09 | foxlit | <queen>Off with her head!</queen> |
| 23:15.22 | cbreak | *thumbsdown* |
| 23:15.26 | Amarande | we know what you coded last summer! |
| 23:15.47 | Dewin | Amarande: You do? Good. Can you come fix it? I have no idea what any of it does anymore. |
| 23:16.18 | cbreak | git log @{1.year.ago} |
| 23:16.30 | foxlit | Hey, my one-year-ago code still works |
| 23:16.54 | cbreak | wonder if git log @{last.summer} works |
| 23:17.09 | Cide- | git knows what you... yeah. |
| 23:17.15 | Amarande | Dewin: it probably now uploads your wow account details to random servers in China |
| 23:17.16 | DWSR | I know who you did last summer. |
| 23:17.34 | Dewin | Amarande: Good thing I have an authenticator. :-p |
| 23:17.40 | foxlit | [Although it's now about 1/3rd of the current code] |
| 23:17.54 | Amarande | you know, I've never understood why Chinese cybercriminals feel the need to use such means to get our data |
| 23:17.55 | Amarande | after all |
| 23:17.56 | Dewin | Though... I'm kind of surprised that people who hack accounts haven't started using them to spam forums, since forum access does not require an authenticator. |
| 23:18.00 | Amarande | they MAKE half our computer components |
| 23:18.16 | Amarande | couldn't they just slip something in that surreptitiously logs your keys at the hardware level and you'd never know or see it on a scan? :) |
| 23:18.18 | Dewin | amarande: That's been done. |
| 23:18.53 | Dewin | there's been stories of digital photo frames that came with trojans on them, straight from the factory. |
| 23:19.00 | Amarande | Dewin: and yet for some reason we still trust china |
| 23:19.01 | Amarande | weird |
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| 23:19.41 | Dewin | I don't :-p |
| 23:19.50 | cbreak | Amarande: there have been troyans on many things |
| 23:19.55 | Dewin | But then again, I trust Russia less, mainly because I've actually been compromised and had thousands of dollars charged to a card from Russia. |
| 23:20.04 | cbreak | or secret wiretaps in major providers from the NSA |
| 23:20.09 | cbreak | or many other things |
| 23:20.27 | Amarande | cbreak: actually, I was more thinking of them slipping some sort of extra chip onto mobos and the like that would log your keys and send it through the onboard ethernet |
| 23:20.34 | Amarande | (not that I'd have to worry, since I don't use the onboard ethernet on my mobo. heh) |
| 23:20.57 | Amarande | I mean, c'mon, who actually knows what every little chip on their mobo does |
| 23:21.08 | Amarande | and if they made it look like one of the capacitor thingies instead of a chip ... o.0 |
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| 23:21.21 | Amarande | paranoia ensues |
| 23:21.21 | Amarande | heh |
| 23:21.23 | cbreak | capacitors only have three pins |
| 23:21.40 | foxlit | What if they made a chip that mind-controlled you while you played Hello Kitty Online Adventures? |
| 23:21.40 | Dewin | Amarande: Why does it matter if you don't use the onboard ethernet. All's it'd have to do is figure out what device on the PCI bus is a network card :) |
| 23:21.54 | Dewin | foxlit: If you play Hello Kitty Online Adventurers, you're probably already mind-controlled. |
| 23:21.56 | foxlit | Clearly we must prepare for this eventuality. Bring forth the tinfoil! |
| 23:21.58 | Amarande | foxlit, that chip would be useless |
| 23:22.06 | Amarande | if you play Hello Kitty Online Adventures, you're probably on acid |
| 23:22.15 | Amarande | and minds on acid are pretty much impossible to control from outside :) |
| 23:22.21 | ZorbaTHut | what's the standard healers for a 25-man raid? 5, 6? |
| 23:22.26 | Amarande | otoh, you might be drunk |
| 23:22.27 | foxlit | ,7 |
| 23:22.31 | Amarande | and drunk minds are EASILY suggestible heh |
| 23:22.43 | foxlit | Depends on the encounter. |
| 23:22.48 | cbreak | we have between 7 and 8 |
| 23:22.49 | Amarande | ( Things that seem like a good idea while drunk () Things that are actually a good idea ) |
| 23:22.52 | cbreak | but lately down to 6 |
| 23:22.57 | WobWork | cbreak: 7.5 healers? |
| 23:22.59 | foxlit | I think we roll with 7 on Sindragosa, mainly because of that silly debuff. |
| 23:23.01 | WobWork | poor .5 =( |
| 23:23.04 | foxlit | But that's the high end. |
| 23:23.12 | cbreak | she's made from wood |
| 23:23.16 | cbreak | it didn't hurt much |
| 23:23.23 | WobWork | ~gaga |
| 23:23.24 | purl | rumour has it, gaga is Lets have some fun this rack is sick, I wanna sniff the packets through your cisco switch, don't think too much just bust that WEP, let's play a wargame, a wargame. |
| 23:24.07 | foxlit | I think that breaks mid-chorus |
| 23:24.18 | WobWork | probably =) |
| 23:24.24 | theorbtwo | Almost certianly. |
| 23:25.00 | bleeter | DigiTas, EFA, Civil Liberties Aus & Aus Privacy Foundation: Call for Action on Internet Law: http://www.digitaltasmania.org/news/18/58 |
| 23:27.04 | foxlit | # It's too soon to say that they're a cancer // They might be the answer // Packing a gun, out of the slum, here they come. |
| 23:27.04 | VonhintenHOME` | aus folks are sure coming up with some crazy laws these days |
| 23:27.32 | durcyn | hey, minimum titty size enforcement is a legit thing |
| 23:27.38 | VonhintenHOME` | bunch of nongs |
| 23:27.56 | DWSR | durcyn: Agreed. |
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| 23:29.01 | DWSR | Proposition: Women competing in the olympics must have a minimum cup size of "B" before they are allowed to compete, under the logic that otherwise, they are indistinguishable from men. Discuss. |
| 23:29.15 | DWSR | [/troll] |
| 23:29.31 | WobWork | DWSR: You're missing the point =P |
| 23:29.43 | WobWork | it's so they're not indistinguishable from children doing porn |
| 23:29.47 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 23:30.07 | VonhintenHOME` | LOL |
| 23:30.10 | durcyn | the day i confuse the olympics with porn is the day i kill myself |
| 23:30.23 | WobWork | if it were men, quite a few of our female politicians might not be able to put their picture up =P |
| 23:30.24 | DWSR | durcyn: Ice skating is pretty damn close. |
| 23:31.42 | zenzelezz | you must watch some lame porn |
| 23:31.43 | Amarande | durcyn: you mean especially when the summer gymnastics roll around and you gouge out your eyes because you think you're watching CP |
| 23:31.56 | DWSR | This just in: Power naps are amazing. |
| 23:32.33 | foxlit | DWSR: Sleeping is even better. |
| 23:33.03 | DWSR | foxlit |
| 23:33.10 | DWSR | You can sleep once you're dead. |
| 23:33.16 | Amarande | I still don't quite get the point of gymnastics as a spectator sport, anyway :S |
| 23:33.20 | foxlit | (I presume the break is because you took a quick power nap in between the two lines) |
| 23:33.34 | WobWork | http://i.imgur.com/E7Fl1.png |
| 23:33.48 | WobWork | Amarande: perving |
| 23:34.29 | DWSR | Amarande: "Don't you wish your girlfriend was flexible like me?" |
| 23:34.45 | foxlit | # And there on a perfectly boneless horizon, a vomiting duck made me switch to Verizon. |
| 23:34.50 | Amarande | also, how do we know gymnastics girls aren't actually cylons |
| 23:34.55 | zenzelezz | I watch female tennis for obvious reasons |
| 23:35.04 | DWSR | Amarande: If you can't tell the difference... |
| 23:35.18 | WobWork | zenzelezz: ball handling skills? |
| 23:35.18 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Because upskirt shots aren't considered voyeur? |
| 23:35.34 | zenzelezz | both, and more |
| 23:35.40 | Amarande | I'm not really much of a fan of the summer olympics in general though |
| 23:35.48 | zenzelezz | any sport where a girl spends half the match shaking her ass at the camera is accepted in my book |
| 23:35.51 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Williams sisters groaning and moanin? |
| 23:35.52 | foxlit | professional sport is clearly boring. |
| 23:35.54 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Amen. :) |
| 23:35.56 | Amarande | it seems like nearly all of the sports I actually regard as fun and interesting in the olympics are in the winter |
| 23:36.07 | Amarande | the summer sports are just meh |
| 23:36.13 | zenzelezz | DWSR: any moaner is a no-watch for me (including Sharapova) |
| 23:36.28 | DWSR | really? |
| 23:36.49 | DWSR | I always thought it...you know...enhanced the experience. |
| 23:36.52 | DWSR | coughs |
| 23:36.53 | zenzelezz | just sounds wrong when they're moaning alone |
| 23:37.02 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Oh, you definitely have to have a pair. |
| 23:42.23 | DWSR | I fear that that statement says way too much about my tastes in the bedroom. |
| 23:42.25 | DWSR | sighs |
| 23:45.20 | zenzelezz | http://singularityhub.com/2010/02/17/lego-robot-solves-any-rubiks-cube-in-less-than-12-seconds-video/ |
| 23:51.03 | foxlit | Third time :) |
| 23:52.07 | foxlit | The new(ish) mindstorms kit is awesome. Awesomely expensive, though :/ |
| 23:54.55 | zenzelezz | always wanted to get into Mindstorms, but yeah, the cost... |
| 23:57.23 | Thunder_Child | heh, 12-cell li-ion battery and the laptop still only gets 45 min of unpluged play time |
| 23:57.36 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 23:58.06 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Wow. wtf. |
| 23:58.10 | Thunder_Child | well, to be fair it does boast dual GPU's http://gizmodo.com/5475092/former-alienware-execs-go-back-to-their-origin-for-eon18-gaming-laptop |
