| 00:00.06 | Tuller | the search part is shared, and I intend on using it for the filter buttons in combuctor |
| 00:00.15 | Adys | Tuller: Gonna go on a bashing spree on combuctor here, but for one I'd use , instead of & and / instead of | |
| 00:00.18 | Adys | even if its not standard :P |
| 00:00.24 | harl | Adys: fixed. try !roll now instead. |
| 00:00.47 | Adys | um, ok |
| 00:00.48 | Adys | !roll |
| 00:00.50 | Kraps | cool, q:epic&trink etc |
| 00:00.50 | harl | Adys würfelt eine 6 |
| 00:00.59 | harl | lol.. |
| 00:01.19 | harl | never mind.. i'll try again later |
| 00:01.19 | Kaelten | well I should I have stated to do prep work on it |
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| 00:01.29 | Shadowed| | hrm |
| 00:01.30 | Kaelten | got my baguette shaped, |
| 00:01.39 | Shadowed| | Babbel doesn't seem too bad actually |
| 00:01.49 | Adys | The thing with filters |
| 00:01.54 | Kraps | whats the diff between bagnon and combuctor? |
| 00:01.54 | Adys | they're not linkable |
| 00:02.08 | Adys | if you can save stuff, fair enough |
| 00:02.15 | nevcairiel | combuctor has the sexy blizzard artwork :d |
| 00:02.29 | Adys | how do you call it sexy |
| 00:02.29 | Adys | wt |
| 00:02.31 | Adys | f. |
| 00:02.39 | Adys | if you can't, no point in such filters, you just want quick shit |
| 00:02.55 | Adys | which is why Ill stick to bagnon, i dont want to put a q: behind every of my quality searches :p |
| 00:03.10 | Adys | and I dont exactly have 2500 slots so I dont care if theres duplicate results |
| 00:03.41 | nevcairiel | i rarely use the search field for quality, just the filter buttons |
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| 00:03.43 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
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| 00:03.52 | nevcairiel | does bagnon not have those? |
| 00:04.03 | Lunessa | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-13823.html |
| 00:04.05 | Kraps | whats the filter buttons? |
| 00:04.14 | nevcairiel | small buttons, one for each quality level |
| 00:04.20 | nevcairiel | to filter by quality |
| 00:04.25 | Tuller | nope |
| 00:04.38 | nevcairiel | see, thats why i love combuctor :P |
| 00:04.54 | Adys | also tbh |
| 00:05.11 | Adys | I give a lot of points to bagnon because it's one of the very early bag addons that actually did things right |
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| 00:05.43 | Shadowed | Of course |
| 00:05.48 | Adys | I cant remember a lot of vanilla addons that were of really good quality |
| 00:05.52 | Adys | maybe flexbar |
| 00:05.57 | Kraps | so whats the best hack for finding the elders? |
| 00:05.59 | Shadowed | Babbel is a nice client, but you can't double click to open chat links |
| 00:06.00 | Shadowed | boggles |
| 00:06.14 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, jnwhiteh posted a Tom Tom script earlier. |
| 00:06.22 | Adys | Kraps: alt-f4 while speaking to an elder in a city will get you all the quests and achievements completed |
| 00:06.29 | nevcairiel | in vanilla i mostly used AIOI or OneBag |
| 00:06.36 | Kraps | Adys: gtfo |
| 00:06.36 | nevcairiel | went to combuctor when it came out |
| 00:06.42 | Adys | Kraps: you asked for it |
| 00:06.51 | Dagmar | I'm using TourGuide, but good luck on that |
| 00:07.24 | Kraps | i has it! |
| 00:07.37 | Kraps | even though its annoying |
| 00:07.45 | Ackis | Dagmar: did you hear tourguide was removed? |
| 00:07.53 | Dagmar | Astonishingly I did |
| 00:08.10 | Dagmar | It's why I was trying to spin a tale about Tekkub being abducted by aliens from Mexico |
| 00:08.34 | Lopeppeppy | Yah what tourguide? |
| 00:08.54 | Adys | Ackis |
| 00:09.08 | Adys | Next time you ask for a favour, I'll make sure NOT to process it |
| 00:09.10 | Dagmar | It's best when you leave wild speculation to the experts, rather than letting the amateur forums trolls do it |
| 00:09.12 | Kraps | Dagmar: whats the /command to open it? |
| 00:09.25 | Dagmar | Kraps: Ther'es a command? Possibly /tg |
| 00:09.37 | Kraps | no :( |
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| 00:10.04 | Dagmar | Well, it should just be sitting there on your screen saying "No guide loaded" or something like that |
| 00:10.31 | Lopeppeppy | maybe /tourguide? |
| 00:10.52 | Dagmar | It's stuff is accessible through the inteface/addons config tab |
| 00:11.24 | Fisker | look at my horse |
| 00:11.32 | Adys | Fisker: you're on a horse |
| 00:11.34 | Thunder_Child | is it amazing? |
| 00:11.38 | Fisker | yes |
| 00:11.44 | Fisker | infact it's a robot unicorn |
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| 00:11.56 | Lopeppeppy | Squeak squeak? |
| 00:12.14 | Adys | Fisker: then it's not a horse |
| 00:12.47 | Lunessa | It tastes just like raisin? |
| 00:12.51 | Kraps | i think i only have the TG "framework", or so optionhouse claims |
| 00:12.53 | Cairenn | gived out tshirts and signed 8x10 glossies! |
| 00:13.03 | Lunessa | She did! She did. |
| 00:13.05 | nevcairiel | Kraps: it usually comes with all the guides |
| 00:13.15 | Fisker | it's my unicorn |
| 00:14.07 | Cairenn | steals Fisker's unicorn |
| 00:14.13 | Lunessa | ciao tutti. Places to see, people to do and all that. |
| 00:14.44 | zenzelezz | wow, 64-bit Flash on linux has hit alpha! And here I thought it was going to pull a DNF |
| 00:15.05 | nevcairiel | huh, i've been using flash on 64-bit for a while |
| 00:16.17 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: do you has a link? |
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| 00:17.16 | Fisker | http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3148/test2r.jpg <-lol @ Datth |
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| 00:17.23 | Arrowmaster | yeah 64bit flash on linux has been around for what like a year now? |
| 00:17.29 | zenzelezz | Flash 10? |
| 00:17.51 | zenzelezz | I'm just going by what I saw on Slashdot, which linked to another site again |
| 00:17.54 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 00:18.00 | Lopeppeppy | It was a script he posted to...um... wowhead, 2009 Lunar Festival page. As I recall. |
| 00:18.12 | Jerub | considers posting a sensationalist story about tekkub pulling tourguide to slashdot. |
| 00:18.14 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have the link, but you could check the logs for today. |
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| 00:19.14 | Kraps | how? |
| 00:19.20 | Lopeppeppy | ~logs |
| 00:19.21 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 00:19.41 | Cairenn | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ |
| 00:19.43 | Lopeppeppy | do a search for TomTom or Lunar and see what comes up in today's log. |
| 00:19.54 | Adys | ~wowilogs |
| 00:20.10 | Adys | ~wowuilogs |
| 00:20.16 | Kraps | holy crap, logs |
| 00:20.17 | Adys | purl wowilogs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ |
| 00:20.18 | purl | okay, Adys |
| 00:20.33 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 00:20.34 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
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| 00:20.50 | Dagmar | It seems the bot is missing a bit |
| 00:21.16 | Adys | Maybe batbot isn't missing bits? |
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| 00:21.28 | Cairenn | tacklehugs Sargeras |
| 00:21.34 | Dagmar | Well, if there's a way to get at today's logs, I'm not seeing it |
| 00:21.37 | Adys | intercepts Cairenn |
| 00:21.41 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: i dont see todays logs |
| 00:21.43 | Adys | there isnt |
| 00:21.47 | Cairenn | today's logs won't show up until tomorrow |
| 00:22.03 | Dagmar | Damn lazy bots |
| 00:22.04 | Adys | Cairenn: that isn't true |
| 00:22.05 | Kraps | oh well, off to wowhead |
| 00:22.12 | Cairenn | he posts at midnight PST, iirc |
| 00:22.29 | Adys | Cairenn: I've been trying to check the current day's logs every day for years, they never show up |
| 00:22.36 | Shirik | Oh no he didn't: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Shirik&action=historysubmit&diff=344513809&oldid=344513314 |
| 00:22.38 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.47 | Kraps | lies! |
| 00:22.49 | Cairenn | Adys: that's what I just said |
| 00:22.51 | Cairenn | re-read |
| 00:22.54 | Shadowed | Adys you said you use xcht right |
| 00:22.56 | Shadowed | or was it Ackis |
| 00:23.00 | Adys | Shadowed: yes |
| 00:23.13 | Shadowed | Way to disable the stupid line for chat name/message? |
| 00:23.18 | Adys | Cairenn: Tomorrow, I'll check back and believe me, I won't see the current day's logs |
| 00:23.29 | Adys | Shadowed: /set and look at the spam |
| 00:23.32 | Adys | look for "margin" |
| 00:23.33 | Lopeppeppy | Adys, that's what she said. She agreed with you. |
| 00:23.41 | zenzelezz | so what are we looking for in the logs? |
| 00:23.42 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: I'm trolling hard and nobody gets it |
| 00:23.48 | Dagmar | Shadowed: In the meantime, carry blunt objects to bludgeon IRC client devs with |
| 00:23.56 | Cairenn | pokes Adys |
| 00:23.56 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, trolling just looks like being rude, carry on I guess. |
| 00:23.58 | Shadowed | I really do hate IRC client devs |
| 00:24.04 | Shadowed | They do some absurdly stupid things |
| 00:24.10 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, we're looking for the lunar festival script jnwhiteh posted today. |
| 00:24.15 | zenzelezz | as opposed to other developers? |
| 00:24.26 | Adys | Shadowed: want my config? its a bit more sane than the default one |
| 00:24.31 | Shadowed | No set option called margin Adys |
| 00:24.33 | Shadowed | sure |
| 00:24.35 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: what are you trying to disable? |
| 00:24.45 | Cairenn | http://www.wowhead.com/?blog=64239.7#p1854799 |
| 00:24.50 | Shadowed | Arrowmaster Trying to disable the fact that it puts a statically sized line separating the senders name and their message |
| 00:24.54 | Cairenn | you mean that? ^^ |
| 00:24.57 | Shadowed | rather get the standard IRC <name> <msg> |
| 00:24.59 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowhead.com/?blog=64239.7#p1854799 |
| 00:25.02 | zenzelezz | bah |
| 00:25.03 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, you kick ass. |
| 00:25.12 | Shadowed | read kiss ass first |
| 00:25.13 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, you are also with the kicking of the ass! |
| 00:25.13 | zenzelezz | I would've won if I didn't validate the link first |
| 00:25.20 | Cairenn | and frequently take names, too |
| 00:25.30 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, these two people are your search-fu gods. |
| 00:25.32 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: thats because its a ui object, you can drag it to adjust the position |
| 00:25.37 | Shadowed | Right, and it's not automatic |
| 00:25.54 | Kraps | lawl |
| 00:26.20 | Shadowed | if you drag it all the way to the left of the names, it's harder to read since the names have no actual spacing or character |
| 00:26.32 | Adys | Shadowed: http://dpaste.com/160244/ |
| 00:26.38 | Adys | xchat.conf |
| 00:26.46 | Shadowed | thanks |
| 00:26.52 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: do you want to disable the indenting and make it more like mIRC? |
| 00:26.57 | Kraps | is that really all of them? |
| 00:26.58 | Shadowed | yea Arrowmaster |
| 00:26.59 | Dagmar | Krpas: I think http://www.wowhead.com/?blog=64239.5#comments might have what you want |
| 00:27.14 | Shadowed | brb |
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| 00:27.38 | Arrowmaster | its text_indent i think |
| 00:27.38 | Shadowed | test |
| 00:27.46 | Cairenn | pass |
| 00:28.13 | Shadowed | mm |
| 00:28.58 | zenzelezz | if all else fails, edit the text events manually, moving the $t to the very start of the line |
| 00:29.08 | Adys | Shadowed: works? |
| 00:29.11 | Shadowed | sort of |
| 00:29.25 | Adys | what doesnt? :p |
| 00:29.39 | Shadowed | Doesn't seem to give <name> msg still |
| 00:29.45 | Adys | wut |
| 00:30.00 | Shadowed | "<Shadow> Foo" |
| 00:30.06 | Adys | Oo |
| 00:30.10 | Arrowmaster | sec |
| 00:30.14 | Adys | screenshot? |
| 00:30.20 | Arrowmaster | check your text events |
| 00:30.28 | zenzelezz | try what I said, the output is quite flexible |
| 00:30.41 | Shadowed | text events? |
| 00:30.42 | Arrowmaster | mines $3%H<%H$4$1%O%H>%H$t$2 |
| 00:30.48 | Arrowmaster | for channel message |
| 00:30.53 | zenzelezz | Settings -> Advanced -> Text events |
| 00:30.53 | Adys | OH |
| 00:30.58 | Shadowed | ah I see |
| 00:31.00 | Shadowed | yea it's not that |
| 00:31.07 | Shadowed | It's Preference Lists for me |
| 00:31.09 | Arrowmaster | afaik the <>'s are supposed to show when you disable the indent mode |
| 00:31.19 | Arrowmaster | what damn version are you using? |
| 00:31.26 | Shadowed | latest as far as I know |
| 00:31.38 | Adys | Shadowed: http://dpaste.com/160247/ pevents.conf |
| 00:32.37 | Shadowed | oh wait dur |
| 00:32.52 | Shadowed | xchat aqua that's why |
| 00:33.36 | Arrowmaster | hmm i turned off indent and it wasnt showing the <>'s |
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| 00:35.00 | Arrowmaster | oh '/set text_show_sep 0' turns off that line too |
| 00:35.05 | Arrowmaster | while keeping the indenting |
| 00:36.08 | Dagmar | Either way that vertical line split, is afaik, one of the least useful visual changes to IRC clients ever |
| 00:36.52 | zenzelezz | I like it. Well, the line doesn't matter, but the indenting. Makes the text easier to follorw |
| 00:36.53 | zenzelezz | -r |
| 00:36.58 | Arrowmaster | if you disable it you cant drag it |
| 00:37.20 | Arrowmaster | its only there so you can drag to adjust the indenting |
| 00:37.21 | Lopeppeppy | Oh look. Trillian. *cuddles it* |
| 00:37.27 | Arrowmaster | burn it |
| 00:37.28 | Shadowed | what |
| 00:37.29 | Adys | Shadowed: better? |
| 00:37.30 | Shadowed | burn it |
| 00:37.37 | Shadowed | Adys: I said fuck it and I'm building xchat :p |
| 00:37.42 | Adys | lol |
| 00:37.45 | Adys | i did that once |
| 00:37.50 | Adys | worked meh |
| 00:37.51 | Dagmar | Yeah but right-justifying the names was ugly, and using two cells isn't really indenting. |
| 00:37.58 | Shadowed | by building I mean, "sudo port install xchat" |
| 00:38.32 | Kraps | how do i input the elder cord into tomtom? |
| 00:38.33 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: irssi indents nicks like that |
| 00:38.34 | Shadowed | The problem with intending is that some people have longer names than others so you either have to make the intend really long so it's worthless half the time, or you make it small and it's still worthless |
| 00:38.37 | Fisker | i can travel through time Arrowmaster |
| 00:38.39 | Shadowed | blames people like Lopeppeppy |
| 00:38.52 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me. *grin* |
| 00:38.52 | Fisker | people? |
| 00:38.53 | Dagmar | irssi actually indents things |
| 00:38.59 | Fisker | bites Lopeppeppy |
| 00:39.02 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: it autoadjusts upto a max size that you set |
| 00:39.03 | Fisker | better get a shot for that btw |
| 00:39.05 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: the exact terms don't matter; and left-justifying the nicks would look stupid |
| 00:39.13 | Dagmar | It doesn't lob all the text in a second box and call it indentation |
| 00:39.23 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe I won't need surgery if you give me rabies, Fisker. |
| 00:39.41 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Proper indentation would've been the proper solution |
| 00:39.56 | zenzelezz | and what would you consider to be proper indentation? |
| 00:40.06 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: well i guess it would be nice to have the end of a long nick cut off rather than have the beginning of the nick running into my timestamps so i cant read it |
| 00:40.07 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz has almost as many letters as I do! |
| 00:40.18 | Dagmar | Actual indentation. Just like all the text-based IRC clients have done for years and years/. |
| 00:40.24 | Lopeppeppy | Arrowmaster has more. :( |
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| 00:40.43 | Kraps | ah screw it |
| 00:40.52 | zenzelezz | by text based you mean console? |
| 00:41.00 | theorbtwo | just has his text indented lots because what he has to say is so important. It has *nothing* to do with the length of my nick, I *promise*. |
| 00:41.23 | Dagmar | No, I mean text-based. |
| 00:41.57 | zenzelezz | still sounds ambiguous to me |
| 00:42.01 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, the length of your nick! |
| 00:42.04 | Dagmar | ...as in no form of garish "emoticons", colored balls, or cartoonery figured into their designs. |
| 00:43.30 | Dagmar | Specifically, indentation like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentation#Indentation_in_typesetting |
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| 00:54.07 | Kraps | http://www.scam-detectives.co.uk/blog/2010/01/22/interview-with-a-scammer-part-one/ |
| 00:54.44 | Dagmar | ...and to make it more explicit, such things are trivial for decent IRC clients http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evildagmar/?action=view¤t=Indentation.png |
| 00:55.26 | cbreak | I like coloquy |
| 00:55.31 | cbreak | it sucks the least of all I tried |
| 00:55.39 | cbreak | ... ok, that's not really like |
| 00:55.43 | cbreak | but at least I can tolerate it :) |
| 00:58.15 | Dagmar | I thought they did a pretty good job |
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| 01:00.11 | cbreak | it's not that colloquy is terrible |
| 01:00.22 | cbreak | but it crashed at least three times in the last two years |
| 01:00.37 | cbreak | and it uses almost 200mb of real memory |
| 01:00.39 | Shadowed | trying a repo version, mgiht be better |
| 01:01.32 | Shadowed | Although I have no idea where the built version is actually stored |
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| 01:02.51 | Thrae | Hmmm I've never installed anything mysogonistic before, but I'm tempted with http://hotbabe.planlos.org/. (Some parts of this website are NSFW) |
| 01:04.06 | Thunder_Child | thats amusing |
| 01:04.33 | Shirik | Fisker, I seem to have pissed off your buddies |
| 01:04.57 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik was it difficult? |
| 01:05.12 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/9cb5445c9255ecbf204372254a6a81dd.png (some bad language, warning) |
| 01:05.15 | Dagmar | hands Shirik an Award for Internets Conservation |
| 01:06.08 | Dagmar | You should call his bluff on the "we do not forget" thing. |
| 01:06.35 | Dagmar | Last I checked, they still had nothing but unsettled business with Verizon |
| 01:06.42 | Lopeppeppy | That looks like Ackis, with the penis thing. |
| 01:07.06 | Lopeppeppy | And it scares me that you're active on 4chan, Shirik. In a good way, mind you, but hey. |
| 01:07.09 | Shirik | I'm not |
| 01:07.19 | Shirik | However this is a Wikipedia attack thread |
| 01:07.20 | Thunder_Child | i dont get the alternating penis/vag thing |
| 01:07.26 | Lopeppeppy | Then why on earth are they trolling you there? Oh, I see. |
| 01:07.28 | Shirik | so I was monitoring it to respond :) |
| 01:07.35 | Shirik | as they call out a thread, we revert |
| 01:07.36 | Lopeppeppy | Darlin', don't bother. |
| 01:07.36 | Shirik | etc. |
| 01:07.43 | Shirik | nono I don't post there |
| 01:07.45 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Okay, that's worth bothering. |
| 01:07.46 | Shirik | just to respond on wikipedia's side |
| 01:08.12 | Dagmar | just post up a screenshot saying "Future Edit". The screenshot should talk about Anonymous, and add a bullet point that they are Verizon's bitch |
| 01:08.34 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: I don't respond to them, per WP:DENY (exactly what they're quoting I said in that thread) |
| 01:10.24 | Shadowed | grats Shirik |
| 01:11.09 | Lopeppeppy | Deny everything, and it all falls to pieces! |
| 01:13.57 | Thunder_Child | i deny your denial Lopeppeppy |
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| 01:18.25 | Shadowed | I deny both your denials and your denials denial |
| 01:20.18 | Lopeppeppy | Deeeep. |
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| 01:21.19 | Thunder_Child | who wants their soup @ 7.2 x 10^12 degrees Fahrenheit? |
| 01:22.40 | Adys | google |
| 01:22.42 | Adys | stop failing me |
| 01:22.50 | Adys | this is the second time this year) |
| 01:23.03 | Adys | google calculator is failing me at °c -> °f conversion :( |
| 01:23.04 | Thunder_Child | and last time we said it was you know google |
| 01:23.09 | Thunder_Child | (then proved it) |
| 01:23.23 | Thunder_Child | not* |
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| 01:24.58 | Arrowmaster | http://www.google.com/search?q=7.2+x+10^12 |
| 01:25.17 | Adys | Arrowmaster: In celcius |
| 01:25.55 | Thunder_Child | Adys: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=7.2+x+10^12+F+to+C |
| 01:26.14 | WobWork | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=7.2+x+10^12+C+in+F&aq=f&aqi=&oq= |
| 01:26.37 | Thunder_Child | other way around WobWork |
| 01:26.47 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=7.2+x+10^12+Fahrenheit+in+Celcius&aq=f&aqi=&oq= |
| 01:26.48 | WobWork | ah, well |
| 01:26.54 | WobWork | (clearly it's not a googlefail =P) |
| 01:26.58 | Cairenn | GOAL! |
| 01:27.01 | Adys | it is |
| 01:27.08 | Thunder_Child | no, and tbh wolfram is just so much better for math |
| 01:27.18 | Arrowmaster | http://www.google.com/search?q=7.2+x+10^12+fahrenheit+in+celcius |
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| 01:27.19 | Arrowmaster | fail |
| 01:27.25 | Adys | if it can interpret "F to C" why cant it interpret "Fahretardedspelling to Celcius" |
| 01:27.50 | WobWork | cause noone bothers to type out fahrenheit |
| 01:27.55 | WobWork | except nongs |
| 01:28.00 | kneeki | Anyone know which action button ID is used for the sidebar while on a druid? I know they shift around depending on the class |
| 01:28.19 | kneeki | Is it buttons 96-120? |
| 01:28.20 | Shadowed | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.59 | Gagorian | Thunder_Child: Did you know the power output of that soup would be 4.56 * 10^41 watts? |
| 01:31.16 | Gagorian | Assuming it's a black body |
| 01:31.20 | Cairenn | GOAL! |
| 01:31.47 | Lopeppeppy | Woot, ice time! |
| 01:32.15 | Thunder_Child | Gagorian: it was done today http://gizmodo.com/5472763/todays-menu-quark-soup-cooked-at-highest-temperature-in-a-lab-ever |
| 01:32.19 | Cairenn | 2 in 2 minutes |
| 01:33.35 | Gagorian | Thunder_Child: It's probably less of soup than I calculated with :p |
| 01:33.53 | Thunder_Child | Gagorian: agreed |
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| 01:35.52 | Gagorian | http://www.google.fi/#hl=fi&safe=off&q=Stefan-Boltzmann+constant+*++%284.0+%C3%97+10^12+K%29^4+*+4+*+pi+*+%280.05m%29^2&meta=&aq=&oq=Stefan-Boltzmann+constant+*++%284.0+%C3%97+10^12+K%29^4+*+4+*+pi+*+%280.0m%29^2&fp=331852247f21bc8f |
| 01:36.09 | Gagorian | but yeah, that's the case of a 5 cm radius sphere of soup |
| 01:36.10 | Gagorian | :P |
| 01:36.48 | Thrae | Attention Laptop Gamers: The laptops coming in 2010 will be much cheaper than previous laptops due to Core i5 + Nvidia Optimus. However, it's best to wait until Nvidia provides full DirectX 11 support (which should be March or a little later). For Apple users, except to find new Apple notebooks with Intel + Nvidia Optimus as well. |
| 01:37.11 | Thrae | s/Core i5/Core i5 Mobile/ |
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| 01:37.56 | Gagorian | laptop + gamer = sadface |
| 01:38.10 | Thunder_Child | yes, because playing something that requires DX11 on a laptop is fun |
| 01:39.35 | Dagmar | I suppose you'll probably be able to get some form of Solitaire that uses DX11 |
| 01:39.37 | Lopeppeppy | My baby laptop needs a new battery. |
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| 01:43.43 | Cairenn | GOAL! |
| 01:44.33 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: testing anything new that you arent allowed to talk about? |
| 01:45.11 | Dagmar | Just paste <redacted> over and over if you are |
| 01:45.13 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: No, if I was, I wouldn't talk about it. But it's based on knowledge I'm not allowed to talk about. |
| 01:45.26 | Thrae | I usually put <Insert NDA here> |
| 01:46.21 | WobWork | Thrae: that was the most convoluted avoidance of mentioning an active NDA I've seen in a while =P |
| 01:46.31 | Thrae | However, I know some people who are doing things I can't talk about that make what I say more valid. |
| 01:46.49 | Dagmar | There's also the ever-popular "black-marker" style indicators for the things you're not allowed to about |
| 01:47.32 | Dagmar | I'm sure mIRC users are just plain lost there. |
| 01:47.50 | Thrae | WobWork: But I'm not avoiding mentioning I have an active NDA, I'm just avoiding mentioning what the NDA entails. I can even say who I have the NDA with. |
| 01:47.59 | WobWork | who? |
| 01:48.30 | Thrae | e4e, Inc., a company providing outsourcing solutions. |
| 01:48.31 | WobWork | or, in common parlance "Whodat?" |
| 01:48.49 | WobWork | cunning |
| 01:49.11 | Cairenn | it's fun, some times though |
| 01:49.24 | Cairenn | some NDAs, you can't even admit that there's some sort of NDA in place |
| 01:49.40 | Cairenn | "NDA, what NDA?" - /innocence |
| 01:49.55 | Thrae | Yeah, with a company like e4e, you wouldn't be able to get a job elsewere with the knowledge you gained under their blanket NDA :D |
| 01:50.18 | WobWork | http://www.news.com.au/technology/gamers-scarier-than-bikies-says-michael-atkinson/story-e6frfro0-1225830886493 |
| 01:50.19 | WobWork | >< |
| 01:50.38 | Thrae | "I worked with the biggest names in the gaming industry, but they will all deny it because it's covered under a top-secret level NDA." |
| 01:50.54 | WobWork | Thrae: well, how can they disprove it? =) |
| 01:50.55 | Thrae | "Also, I was trained by the CIA, which will, of course, deny it." |
| 01:50.57 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 01:50.59 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:51.58 | Thrae | WobWork: The gaming industry is smaller than you think. The successful parts in America, anyway. |
| 01:52.43 | Jerub | waiiit. |
| 01:52.52 | Jerub | Thrae: did i know you from #quakeforge like a million years ago? |
| 01:53.31 | Thrae | Jerub: Maybe. I've been online and on IRC long before WoW. |
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| 01:53.46 | Thrae | I'm on 10 networks and about 200 channels right now. |
| 01:53.59 | Lopeppeppy | MPD is you. |
| 01:54.04 | NeoTron | in fact, Thrae's job is to IRC |
| 01:54.05 | Jerub | Thrae: did you work on the xbox? |
| 01:54.17 | Thrae | Jerub: Yes, but not often. |
| 01:54.25 | Jerub | Thrae: i mean, prior to it's release. |
| 01:54.49 | Thrae | Jerub: No, that would mean I worked for Microsoft. They did that internally with their XBOX division. |
| 01:55.04 | Jerub | okay, then you're not the person i thought you were :) |
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| 01:55.29 | Thrae | The XBOX and XBOX 360 were kept under close wraps AFAIK. In-house only. |
| 01:55.40 | Thrae | And very respected outsourcers. |
| 01:57.26 | Cairenn | as opposed to disrespected outsourcers like Thrae |
| 01:57.28 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 01:59.12 | Thrae | I just realized that Tyrranus from Pit of Saron says "Power Overwhelming", most likely coined from Starcraft which coined it from some other place. |
| 01:59.25 | Thrae | Cairenn: Actually, that's...well, that's exactly right as I am finding out =/ |
| 01:59.33 | Cairenn | hugs Thrae |
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| 02:11.24 | Lopeppeppy | Food geek love. http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/kitchen/bda0/ |
| 02:12.21 | Shadowed | haha |
| 02:12.32 | Lopeppeppy | Along with the brownie pan, and the whiskey stones |
| 02:13.38 | Cairenn | nod |
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| 02:13.54 | Lopeppeppy | The brownie pan makes me squishy-happy to contemplate. |
| 02:17.08 | Shadowed | These kitchen tech items are pretty funny |
| 02:19.12 | imbrandon | evening ppl |
| 02:19.17 | Shadowed | I like how they sell key loggers |
| 02:19.41 | Cairenn | GOAL! |
| 02:19.49 | Amarande | there's plenty of companies that do that, Shadowed |
| 02:19.58 | Shadowed | I know, but it still amuses me |
| 02:20.01 | Amarande | usually for security administrators to keep an eye on their network's users :) |
| 02:25.23 | Cairenn | GOAL! |
| 02:25.30 | Shadowed | Cairenn |
| 02:25.31 | Shadowed | no |
| 02:25.52 | Cairenn | no? :( |
| 02:26.02 | Shadowed | yes |
| 02:26.13 | kd3 | zomg tourgide removed? gasp |
| 02:26.15 | Cairenn | yes no? yes yes? |
| 02:26.16 | kd3 | sounds the panic alarm |
| 02:26.23 | Cairenn | pokes kd3 |
| 02:26.33 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:26.38 | Shadowed | kd3: ask Ackis about it |
| 02:26.43 | Cairenn | oy |
| 02:26.44 | Shadowed | Cairenn: no? |
| 02:26.45 | Shadowed | I'm confused |
| 02:26.49 | Cairenn | heh |
| 02:26.56 | Shadowed | That made more sense originally |
| 02:27.38 | Amarande | 'removed'? |
| 02:27.41 | Cairenn | GOAL! |
| 02:27.46 | Amarande | what, did it get added to baddons or something? |
| 02:27.52 | kd3 | no |
| 02:28.00 | Shadowed | Cairenn: aim for higher goals |
| 02:28.08 | kd3 | I'm just echoing fear and panic displayed earlier |
| 02:28.30 | kd3 | Amarande, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7674 |
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| 02:33.41 | Cairenn | hehehhee |
| 02:33.42 | Cairenn | GOAL! |
| 02:34.12 | Lopeppeppy | Ice! |
| 02:37.24 | Lopeppeppy | Goodnight, normal people. |
| 02:37.39 | Cairenn | night Lopeppeppy |
| 02:37.41 | Cairenn | sweet dreams |
| 02:43.54 | Cairenn | omg |
| 02:43.58 | Cairenn | 8-0 |
| 02:44.06 | Cairenn | at this point, I just feel bad for Norway |
| 02:47.16 | kd3 | feel bad?\ |
| 02:47.18 | kd3 | never! |
| 02:48.55 | DWSR | Cairenn: We winning? |
| 02:49.20 | Cairenn | well, there's winning, and then there's omg, that's just painful to watch, I feel so bad for them, what a beating they took |
| 02:50.10 | Cairenn | DWSR: we just took our first men's hockey 8-0 over Norway |
| 02:50.34 | DWSR | Cairenn: By winning I meant "Are we crushing the other team as expected?" |
| 02:50.46 | DWSR | Cairenn: The first game that actually matters to Canada is vs. the USA. |
| 02:50.49 | Zyn | cuz norway sucks |
| 02:50.52 | Zyn | do ho ho ho |
| 02:50.56 | Cairenn | winning is nice, completely breaking the other team's spirit is :( |
| 02:51.06 | DWSR | Cairenn: While I agree, I think it's about time. |
| 02:51.08 | Zyn | + sending a guy out to the lockers |
| 02:51.27 | Zyn | after pretty much crushing him against the side |
| 02:51.28 | DWSR | Cairenn: Canada could use some good news from the Olympic front. These weather delays and failed podiums are really downers. |
| 02:51.51 | DWSR | Zyn: Hockey is the only sport in the world where assault is legal. |
| 02:52.15 | Cairenn | looks at all of the martial arts |
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| 02:52.32 | Zyn | we need a sport where death is legal |
| 02:52.36 | Zyn | with martial arts |
| 02:59.02 | DWSR | Zyn: Death Race, imo. |
| 03:00.11 | DWSR | Cairenn: Also, martial arts matches have a bunch of things in place to make sure that neither competitor gets killed. With hockey, you can just about kill someone by clubbing him with your stick. |
| 03:00.25 | Cairenn | yes, but you aren't supposed to :p |
| 03:00.26 | WobWork | Zyn: Iado |
| 03:00.52 | Zyn | or slashing his neck with your skates |
| 03:00.54 | Zyn | which has happened |
| 03:01.00 | DWSR | Cairenn: Like I said. |
| 03:01.05 | DWSR | The only sport where assault is legal. |
| 03:01.05 | Cairenn | and, have you ever watched a nasty lacrosse game? |
| 03:01.10 | Cairenn | hockey isn't the only one :p |
| 03:01.28 | DWSR | Cairenn: Do you not remember the game where Scott Neidermyer nearly killed that Vancouver Canuck? |
| 03:01.40 | DWSR | Cairenn: Who, outside of Canada, knows about lax? :P |
| 03:01.46 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 03:02.01 | Cairenn | lacrosse isn't a Canadian game, dear |
| 03:02.22 | DWSR | No, the native Americans were the ones who came up with it. |
| 03:02.25 | Cairenn | nor rugby |
| 03:02.37 | Cairenn | nor australian rules football |
| 03:02.38 | Cairenn | nor |
| 03:02.48 | DWSR | Cairenn: Should I give you a promotion and make your last name obvious? ;) |
| 03:03.58 | DWSR | http://is.gd/8ya9N <- srsly? wtf? |
| 03:04.07 | DWSR | "Hi, you no can has crit" |
| 03:04.21 | DWSR | I hope that he realizes this totally breaks any classes with crit-related procs in PvP, right? |
| 03:04.44 | DWSR | Also, where the hell is the avoidance going to come from that was previously coming from defense? |
| 03:05.06 | ZorbaTHut | hey someone on my realm just did yogg-0 |
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| 03:05.21 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: sweet |
| 03:05.26 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: find them and join their guild. |
| 03:05.32 | Jerub | I should totally organise an uld10 this week |
| 03:05.32 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: lulz. |
| 03:05.36 | ZorbaTHut | they're horde of course |
| 03:05.37 | Jerub | try and see how far i can get. |
| 03:05.38 | DWSR | I pugged Yogg+0. :) |
| 03:05.58 | Jerub | hasn't gotten further than crazy cat lady in uld. |
| 03:06.12 | ZorbaTHut | pretty sure it's the same guild that first did yogg+4 |
| 03:06.17 | DWSR | Jerub: I've done all of the hardmodes in Uld10 with a pug. |
| 03:06.20 | Arrowmaster | has never stepped foot inside uld |
| 03:06.21 | DWSR | Before T10 came out. |
| 03:06.37 | Amarande | if I ever get wow again and get my hunter to 80 before cata |
| 03:06.41 | Amarande | I'll be wanting to go to Uld for that bow |
| 03:06.45 | Amarande | but that's Uld25 |
| 03:07.04 | DWSR | BTW, prince of persia hollywood flick? |
| 03:07.04 | Arrowmaster | did you quit? |
| 03:07.05 | DWSR | srsly? |
| 03:07.45 | WobWork | DWSR: welcome to last years news? |
| 03:07.46 | Amarande | I switched to Linux |
| 03:07.56 | Amarande | and for the moment, can't run 3d accel |
| 03:07.59 | DWSR | WobWork: I don't keep up with hollywood. |
| 03:08.04 | DWSR | Amarande: You have an intel card too? |
| 03:08.08 | Amarande | ATI |
| 03:08.08 | DWSR | WobWork: However, really? |
| 03:08.12 | DWSR | Prince of Persia? |
| 03:08.18 | DWSR | Like, they couldn't pick a better series? |
| 03:08.28 | Amarande | ATI linux drivers have had a constant issue with freezing that they STILL apparently haven't fixed far as I know |
| 03:08.56 | WobWork | DWSR: what's wrong with it? =P |
| 03:08.58 | Amarande | I doubt it's been fixed, since even the newest catalysts are still giving this in the release notes - ""On some configurations the Operating System may become unresponsive when switching between virtual terminals " |
| 03:09.03 | WobWork | Plenty of scope to write your own plot =P |
| 03:09.05 | DWSR | Amarande: Is there a reason that you a) can't dual boot and b) can't run Linux inside of a VM? |
| 03:09.24 | DWSR | WobWork: They picked Sands of Time. |
| 03:09.31 | DWSR | WobWork: So basically, welcome to 10 years ago. |
| 03:09.42 | Amarande | DWSR: given that I usually have stuff open for several days at a time |
| 03:09.51 | Amarande | I rarely even LOG OUT, let alone feel the desire to reboot and have to reopen everything |
| 03:09.55 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.55 | DWSR | Amarande: You seem to think that Windows is incapable of this. |
| 03:10.07 | A-KO | why a pug is better than my guild |
| 03:10.14 | A-KO | because pugs recruit based on gear and kick the failures |
| 03:10.19 | A-KO | my guild says "I don't want to be mean!" |
| 03:10.45 | DWSR | I find that what a pug lacks in usually is skill. |
| 03:10.47 | Amarande | then you have a fail guild, or a social based guild rather than a serious raiding guild (the latter of which is ok, really, but you need to decide what kind of guild you want to be in) |
| 03:10.54 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:11.00 | Amarande | serious raiding guilds recruit based on skill and kick the failures. :) |
| 03:11.21 | DWSR | My favourite are the guilds that go slack-jawed at the fact that I raid full time as demo with no alt-spec. |
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| 03:11.40 | DWSR | I go "Yo dawg, I heard you like spellpower. So I put some Demonic Pact in your raid, so you can deeps while you raid." |
| 03:11.49 | DWSR | 100% of the time I get an invite. |
| 03:11.56 | Amarande | I tried both demo and aff, but recount was showing me that Alvaerin was doing heavily substandard dps compared to destro |
| 03:11.56 | DWSR | s/guilds/pugs/ |
| 03:12.18 | Amarande | and as far as I know I was getting the rotations right according to EJ |
| 03:12.24 | DWSR | Amarande: Alvaerin? |
| 03:12.34 | Amarande | DWSR: my 'lock on Turalyon. |
| 03:12.38 | DWSR | ah |
| 03:12.47 | DWSR | Toss me an armory linkeh. |
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| 03:13.07 | DWSR | Also, when did you try Demo? |
| 03:13.15 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Alvaerin |
| 03:13.19 | DWSR | Because right now the top dog is actually Aff, followed pretty closely by Destro then Demo (respectively). |
| 03:13.22 | Amarande | Several gear upgrades ago, back when I was doing heroics. |
| 03:13.33 | DWSR | Before 3.3? |
| 03:13.38 | Amarande | After getting a couple of encouraging gear upgrades, I tried Aff, but it still didn't do nearly the DPS of Destro. |
| 03:13.41 | Amarande | Yeah, this was 3.2 |
| 03:13.49 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 03:13.50 | Amarande | I haven't played the lock much since 3.3 |
| 03:14.17 | DWSR | 1) Demo's going to do shit DPS in that gear. 2) They buffed it (as I just mentioned). |
| 03:15.01 | DWSR | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=X%C3%A4ndros <--- This pulls better DPS than 90% of pugs on my realm, not counting any raid buffs. |
| 03:15.18 | DWSR | I had someone, the other day, who was like "Dude, why the fuck would you ever raid as Demo? You do shit DPS". |
| 03:15.32 | DWSR | This was a regular raider out of a decent guild on my server. |
| 03:15.58 | Arrowmaster | i raided as demo in 3.0 |
| 03:15.59 | DWSR | After the boss, he soon realized how much win there is when you roll with a Demo lock. |
| 03:16.27 | DWSR | I badly want to get rid of this fucking robe. |
| 03:16.42 | DWSR | I hate hate hate the T9. |
| 03:16.43 | DWSR | Dagmar: gnip |
| 03:17.23 | Amarande | Anyway, since ATI video drivers are fail, unless I'm willing to go back to Windows, I'm not playing any more WoW till I get an nVidia card. |
| 03:17.47 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Yeah, Demo in 3.0 was bad. |
| 03:17.52 | DWSR | It's been steadily better ever since. |
| 03:18.00 | DWSR | I'm glad they got rid of the hybrid builds in 3.1 |
| 03:18.20 | DWSR | Really didn't feel right to be smashing a boss with a felguard *and* conflag. |
| 03:19.30 | Thrae | Amarande: Fermi is expected to ship with mid-range cards, but more like in the Summer than March when Fermi is actually being released. |
| 03:19.40 | Amarande | Fermi? |
| 03:19.51 | DWSR | !g Fermi |
| 03:19.51 | batbot | DWSR: Next Generation CUDA Architecture, Code Named Fermi <http://www.nvidia.com/object/fermi_architecture.html> |
| 03:19.57 | DWSR | win |
| 03:20.10 | Amarande | is Fermi related to the PhysX koolaid? |
| 03:20.11 | DWSR | batrick |
| 03:20.14 | Thrae | Amarande: Fermi is Nvidia's next-generation architecture. Look it up in Google News. It is already 50% faster than its best cards to date. |
| 03:20.16 | DWSR | nlo |
| 03:20.33 | DWSR | no* |
| 03:20.37 | Amarande | besides, Fermi sounds like it's going to be a waste |
| 03:20.37 | DWSR | Shirik |
| 03:20.46 | Amarande | I mean ... seriously, what games need that much processing power? |
| 03:20.54 | Thrae | Amarande: It's a hardware architecture which is related to CUDA which is loosely related to PhysX. |
| 03:20.55 | DWSR | Amarande: WoW does. |
| 03:21.04 | DWSR | Also, yes. |
| 03:21.15 | Amarande | DWSR: only if you use high detail levels and are flying in Icecrown with either Dalaran or the ATG in your view |
| 03:21.25 | Amarande | or are IN Dalaran, of course |
| 03:21.27 | DWSR | Amarande: Or, just sitting in Dalaran. |
| 03:21.32 | DWSR | Amarande: Or, in a 25 man raid. |
| 03:21.38 | DWSR | with everything maxed out. |
| 03:21.42 | DWSR | SO MUCH SPELLSPAM. |
| 03:22.10 | Amarande | indeed I keep predicting the eventual death of video card development |
| 03:22.23 | Amarande | there is a simple logical reason for this |
| 03:22.30 | Thrae | I've seen people die just to lots of AoE particle effects on medium settings. The term "medium", "high" more relate to a general profile that may not fit for all video hardware. |
| 03:22.33 | DWSR | We keep shoving more CPUs onto 1 chip? |
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| 03:22.49 | Amarande | 1) it seems fairly unlikely that reasonable size monitors are going to go above 1920x, or huge monitors above 2560x |
| 03:22.54 | DWSR | Thrae: For Ony 25, if I aoE at all, I instantly DC. |
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| 03:23.02 | DWSR | Amarande: More scanlines. |
| 03:23.09 | Amarande | 2) therefore, eventually, there is going to be hit a point where everything works acceptably at those resolutions |
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| 03:23.15 | DWSR | Thrae: Seed of Corruption + Immolation Aura is so much onscreen spam. |
| 03:23.30 | DWSR | Not to mention that everyone and their aunt is AoEing. |
| 03:23.34 | Amarande | and unlike the olden days when monitors kept getting upgraded more often, the resolution of the best monitors has changed VERY little lately |
| 03:23.48 | Thrae | DWSR: Actually, that's only for "performance" really. The Mainstream processors, which are also known as "Value" processors (because people like cheap), have less cores, but also have Hyper-Threading (for Intel) and maybe Turboboost. |
| 03:23.58 | Amarande | eventually, it's going to be very hard to find video card tech improvements that actually produce visible change |
| 03:24.20 | DWSR | Amarande: If you can't make it faster, make it smaller. |
| 03:24.31 | Shadowed | how is that going to help |
| 03:24.37 | Amarande | DWSR: that doesn't really sell upgrades to people with existing cards though |
| 03:24.40 | Shadowed | you're still constrained by the slot itself |
| 03:24.51 | Thrae | Amarande: Actually, that's exactly what Fermi is doing. It's going back to basics and instead of only one triangle being rendered at once, it will render 2.5 triangles. |
| 03:24.51 | Amarande | it might be a selling point to people building a new system in a smaller case |
| 03:24.52 | Shadowed | Sure you can make it so the cards aren't huge monoliths, but it's not like you can shrink it to nothing |
| 03:24.54 | Amarande | but otherwise, it won't do much |
| 03:24.54 | DWSR | Shadowed: Standards are meant to be ignored. |
| 03:25.12 | DWSR | Video Card development won't die. |
| 03:25.16 | Amarande | Thrae: there's still fairly little in the way of apps that are going to actually show improvement |
| 03:25.23 | Amarande | does upgrading the video card actually help dalalag significantly? |
| 03:25.28 | Amarande | or is it mostly the loading time for all the data? |
| 03:25.38 | DWSR | No loading time is RAM and disk speed. |
| 03:25.44 | Amarande | (in which case only a SSD will help, and I'm not sure how much) |
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| 03:25.46 | DWSR | FPS drops are video card. |
| 03:25.47 | kd3 | 's been looking into a SSD |
| 03:26.07 | Thrae | Amarande: Speaking as someone who worked in video QA...yes, it helps Dalaran. Yes, even SLI can help Dalaran. |
| 03:26.24 | DWSR | WoW is pretty smart in that it doesn't render anything until the texture is loaded. The absence of the texture in memory doesn't (afaik) reduce framerate. Only your video card. |
| 03:26.25 | kd3 | oh, and it's been an hour. can I claim the sky's falling again since tourguide's down? |
| 03:26.28 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:26.47 | DWSR | Amarande: My load time with a ~200mb UI in Dalaran at peak time is like.....a minute? |
| 03:26.51 | Amarande | kd3: no the sky isn't falling ... stop holding the space bar while you're on your flying mount |
| 03:26.57 | Thrae | DWSR: If you have a kick-ass video card but only 1GB of RAM, you're going to have problems. There is a limit and optimally its 4GB of RAM, but you can get away with 3GB of RAM for WoW. |
| 03:27.20 | ZorbaTHut | why 4gb of RAM? |
| 03:27.22 | Amarande | Yeah, the 3870 is pretty good, but I've only got 2GB of RAM |
| 03:27.22 | DWSR | Thrae: Yeah, but you notice the difference between soft locks and hard locks. |
| 03:27.38 | DWSR | Thrae: Your computer is still responsive in soft locks from the video card not being able to update the screen fast enough. |
| 03:27.43 | Adys | Fun comparison |
| 03:27.43 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Because WoW is a 32-bit application. |
| 03:27.44 | Adys | http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/details.php?net=Freenode&submenu=years |
| 03:27.45 | Adys | http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/details.php?net=Quakenet&submenu=years |
| 03:27.45 | Amarande | and actually, a further upgrade of RAM basically LOCKS ME INTO Linux, unless I want to purchase Seven |
| 03:27.48 | ZorbaTHut | if you're singletasking, 3gb oughta be enough to max out WoW |
| 03:27.58 | ZorbaTHut | thrae, sure, but it's a low-memory 32-bit application. it uses, at most, 2gb |
| 03:27.59 | DWSR | Amarande: Err, or Vista 64bit? |
| 03:28.14 | Amarande | DWSR: my Vista discs are 32-bit. |
| 03:28.18 | DWSR | Amarande: Also, why wouldn't you pick up 7? |
| 03:28.19 | Amarande | Apparently you have to send away for the 64's. |
| 03:28.26 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Low memory? Not in Dalaran :) It depends on your settings and video card, though. |
| 03:28.31 | Amarande | Because I don't feel like spending the money until I've actually upgraded more of the machine than just the RAM? |
| 03:28.33 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: And I did say "optimally". |
| 03:28.40 | ZorbaTHut | no, I mean that there's a bit which specifies whether it's able to use more than 2gb of RAM |
| 03:28.42 | ZorbaTHut | and WoW doesn't have it set |
| 03:28.49 | ZorbaTHut | it will only use 2gb of address space |
| 03:29.04 | ZorbaTHut | (even with it, it'd max out at 3gb on Windows) |
| 03:29.05 | DWSR | Amarande: You spend money? |
| 03:29.09 | DWSR | I'm sorry. |
| 03:29.13 | Amarande | DWSR: You pirate Windows? |
| 03:29.20 | DWSR | Who said that |
| 03:29.24 | Amarande | well |
| 03:29.31 | Amarande | if you didn't pay for it ... :) |
| 03:29.33 | DWSR | You can get it for free without pirating it. |
| 03:29.34 | imbrandon | zorbra, is there as part of qh that will help with loremaster ( e.g. show un-picked up quests for a zone ) ? |
| 03:29.39 | A-KO | I heard there was a bit of difficulty moving WoW to a 64-bit process |
| 03:29.42 | DWSR | Also, I can get you a copy for like....10 dollars, I think? |
| 03:29.42 | ZorbaTHut | imbrandon, "/qh incomplete" |
| 03:29.48 | imbrandon | thanks |
| 03:29.54 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, but Vista and Windows 7 also have shared space for graphics, mostly for textures, and a lot of people have Vista and Windows 7. Or if you're using Linux or Mac OSX, they also have something similar called "good memory management between devices". |
| 03:29.55 | Arrowmaster | i didnt pay for a single copy of windows running in my house right now, but they are all legal copies |
| 03:29.59 | DWSR | Amarande: Being a student is win. :) |
| 03:30.10 | Amarande | Anyway, upgrading my RAM at this point means I am locked into a 64 bit OS. |
| 03:30.30 | Thrae | Amarande: You're already at 4GB? |
| 03:30.30 | DWSR | Amarande: I can get you 64bit office premium for yeah, like $10 excluding S&H. |
| 03:30.32 | Amarande | This means I either would have to get Seven, send away for 64-bit Vista (but why would I want to go back to Vista :P), or stay with Linux. |
| 03:30.49 | Amarande | The latter means getting an nVidia card if I want to do 3D gaming again. |
| 03:30.54 | Amarande | Thrae: 2GB. |
| 03:31.16 | Amarande | 3+GB apparently sits poorly in 32-bit OS's though due to the use of much of the 3+GB range for PCI address space. |
| 03:31.17 | Thrae | Amarande: Why would you need 64-bit version of Windows to use more than 2GB? Are you disclusing PAE? |
| 03:31.25 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:31.34 | DWSR | Also, 32bit Windows has a limit of 4GB, not 2. |
| 03:31.41 | WobWork | hm |
| 03:31.43 | DWSR | You can double your memory and still use a 32bit OS. |
| 03:31.49 | WobWork | I thought it was 3.5 or something like that |
| 03:31.49 | Amarande | DWSR: that's counting PCI address space that blocks out some of your RAM though, doesn't it? |
| 03:32.00 | kd3 | 2**32-1? |
| 03:32.01 | DWSR | I *believe* they removed that in 7/Vista. |
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| 03:32.02 | DWSR | No idea for sure though |
| 03:32.03 | kdtresh | video memory eats into it |
| 03:32.08 | ZorbaTHut | depending on your hardware, 32-bit windows will often be clamped to 3gb or 3.5gb |
| 03:32.13 | Amarande | Back to the good old Commodore 64 days where 20K of the RAM wasn't even usable much of the time. :) |
| 03:32.18 | DWSR | kdtresh: Begone with your integrated graphics cards! |
| 03:32.21 | kdtresh | but you can hack it to enable physical address extension |
| 03:32.25 | Thrae | Amarande: Not really. See http://www.geoffchappell.com/viewer.htm?doc=notes/windows/license/memory.htm for specific information on how PAE works in Windows. |
| 03:32.26 | ZorbaTHut | honestly just go to 64-bit |
| 03:32.28 | Amarande | On a more significant note |
| 03:32.28 | ZorbaTHut | it works fine |
| 03:32.33 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:32.34 | Amarande | I'm not sure if my other two RAM slots are even usable. |
| 03:32.37 | kdtresh | DWSR: discrete video card memory still needs to be addressed by the system |
| 03:32.40 | Amarande | Here's what I do know: |
| 03:32.41 | DWSR | Can't say I've had ANY migration problems. |
| 03:32.46 | Amarande | 1) I used to run 4x512MB. |
| 03:32.52 | ZorbaTHut | I mean goddamn I've been using XP64 since it came out, and *it* works fine 99% of the time |
| 03:32.58 | ZorbaTHut | win7 64 absolutely works perfectly |
| 03:33.03 | DWSR | Yes, yes it does. |
| 03:33.10 | DWSR | pats his x64 W7 Ultimate. |
| 03:33.11 | Thrae | Windows 7 64-bit is the easiest transition, as it has the largest driver database available out of all Windows products. (Note: Out of all WINDOWS products) |
| 03:33.11 | ZorbaTHut | (I mean, epsilon the fact that it's windows) |
| 03:33.20 | Amarande | 2) I eventually ascertained that in the 4x512MB setup, there were hardware errors. First this was discovered by Guild Wars freezing, WoW 131'ing, and confirmed by memtest. |
| 03:33.25 | ZorbaTHut | (but it's certainly not going to work noticably worse than win7 32) |
| 03:33.31 | Amarande | 3) However, I never tested all 4 SLOTS to see whether that was the problem. |
| 03:33.48 | Amarande | I simply bought 2x1GB and replaced the 4x512MB with the 2x1GB, and noted that things no longer failed. |
| 03:33.51 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Vista and 7 run significantly better in 64 bit on the same hardware, anecdotally. |
| 03:33.53 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, well, take your two sticks, move 'em into the other two slots, run memtest |
| 03:34.03 | Amarande | I never did test to see whether it was the sticks or the slots that were buggered. |
| 03:34.08 | DWSR | Amarande: Also may have been the sticks. |
| 03:34.11 | Thrae | Amarande: Your computer should POST with two sticks of memory in the other two slots. They don't have to be '0' and '2' or 'A' and 'C'. |
| 03:34.26 | Amarande | Therefore, I don't know if installing another 2x1GB would error again. |
| 03:34.32 | Amarande | Moreover: This is a DDR1 motherboard. |
| 03:34.33 | DWSR | Thrae: should != will. |
| 03:34.35 | cbreak | do you have your sticks still? |
| 03:34.39 | Thrae | If they don't POST, bam, you know the slots are bad. |
| 03:34.39 | DWSR | Amarande: Oh my god. |
| 03:34.43 | DWSR | What the fuck are you doing? |
| 03:34.43 | Amarande | Nope, I tossed the 512MB sticks. |
| 03:34.50 | DWSR | Your board's from like 1992 right? |
| 03:34.57 | cbreak | can you move your sticks into the other two slots? |
| 03:34.59 | Thrae | DWSR: I'm giving him a very easy test to start with. |
| 03:35.01 | Amarande | Anyway ... this is a DDR1 motherboard. This means any sticks I buy now die with this motherboard. |
| 03:35.19 | Amarande | Next major set of upgrades, they'll be trash, since new boards are DDR3. |
| 03:35.24 | Thrae | I think I still have DDR1 sticks somewhere... |
| 03:35.29 | DWSR | Amarande: You can still find DDR2 boards. |
| 03:35.31 | Amarande | DWSR: Actually, it's an A8N32-SLI Deluxe, from around 2006-7 or so. |
| 03:35.33 | Adys | Erm no Amarande |
| 03:35.35 | DWSR | And there's nothing wrong with them, but yeah. |
| 03:35.45 | imbrandon | i still have some 32pin sims somewhere ;) |
| 03:35.45 | Adys | This means any stick you buy now won't fit the motherboard |
| 03:35.46 | DWSR | DDR3's the new shit. |
| 03:35.47 | Thrae | Ooo, I had the A8N32-SLI Deluxe. |
| 03:35.50 | Adys | i dare anyone to find ddr1 anywhere |
| 03:35.52 | cbreak | my computer still uses DDR2 I think |
| 03:35.59 | DWSR | cbreak: Lots of them do. |
| 03:36.09 | cbreak | DDR2 FB-DIMM, yes. |
| 03:36.13 | DWSR | cbreak: Most laptops, desktops older than about 8 months. |
| 03:36.13 | Amarande | But yeah, it's DDR1, which means any sticks I buy now are going to be basically a waste because they won't be usable on later upgrades. |
| 03:36.23 | Amarande | Adys: NewEgg still sells a fair selection. |
| 03:36.31 | Adys | you mean oldegg |
| 03:36.38 | Thrae | Amarande: I wouldn't consider them a waste. It depends on when your next upgrade cycle is. |
| 03:36.52 | Amarande | Thrae: If I were to reinstall Windows, it would be "overdue." |
| 03:36.53 | Arrowmaster | damnit i cant find my keyring of really old ram |
| 03:36.58 | Thrae | Adys: Craigslist has a bunch in my area |
| 03:37.00 | cbreak | do you buy new computer or upgrade? :) |
| 03:37.05 | Amarande | cbreak: upgrade |
| 03:37.07 | Arrowmaster | actually i think some of it might be L2 cache |
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| 03:37.09 | Adys | yeah craigslist/ebay is prolly the best chance |
| 03:37.18 | Amarande | this is actually the same chassis I've used since 2001-02 or so. :) |
| 03:37.42 | Thrae | Amarande: I've told people that are trying to hold out for 2011 to upgrade their RAM to at least 4GB. |
| 03:37.44 | cbreak | then I guess you will have to think about how much life the current motherboard has, and how much longer you can get CPUs for it |
| 03:37.52 | cbreak | and GPUs/Memory |
| 03:38.09 | Amarande | cbreak: it's Socket 939, so no more CPU upgrades |
| 03:38.30 | cbreak | Thrae: I upgraded to 6 GB, best investment I did in my computer. |
| 03:38.36 | cbreak | well... that and the hard disks :D |
| 03:38.46 | Amarande | it doesn't seem to have an issue with newer video cards, the 3870 has run like a champ hardware wise |
| 03:38.47 | cbreak | ... actually, those were the only investments. Ah well. |
| 03:38.49 | Kraps | where are the t9 merchants in dalaran? |
| 03:38.57 | Adys | bought a p7p55de with 8gb ddr3 recently and an i7 860 |
| 03:38.58 | cbreak | Kraps: cloth? |
| 03:38.59 | Amarande | and as for RAM, the max configuration would be 4x1GB, DDR1 |
| 03:39.09 | Kraps | plate |
| 03:39.13 | Adys | the 6gb ddr2 -> 8gb ddr3 upgrade didnt make much diff |
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| 03:39.18 | cbreak | not sure if you can buy T9 there, but it should be near the armor store |
| 03:39.18 | Thrae | Amarande: Actually the motherboard, CPU, and graphics are going to become very cheap very quickly, within the next few months. The motherboards and CPUs are already getting cheap (yes, Intel too) and the GPUs are getting there. |
| 03:39.20 | Adys | but on wow, cpu and mb changed a lot |
| 03:39.45 | Amarande | Basically, any significant upgrade except 2GB->4GB or a video card or drive upgrade ... means a new mobo and CPU. |
| 03:39.57 | Amarande | And I'd really rather not install and activate Windows again until AFTER that. |
| 03:40.04 | cbreak | Adys: the biggest impact from memory upgrades is if you go from too-little to enough :) |
| 03:40.06 | Kraps | got it |
| 03:40.08 | Arrowmaster | Adys: is that 860 only dual channel memory or something? |
| 03:40.22 | Amarande | Especially since I'm currently eyeing 7 Ultimate OEM, which is under 200. |
| 03:40.31 | Amarande | But if you upgrade mobo and CPU ... there goes your only activation. |
| 03:40.35 | Adys | cbreak: yep |
| 03:40.41 | Adys | 4gb -> 6gb made a world of difference |
| 03:40.48 | cbreak | I went from 2 to 6 |
| 03:40.56 | Arrowmaster | i went from 1 to 6 |
| 03:40.57 | DWSR | I went from 1->4. |
| 03:41.03 | Amarande | Last I looked, Intel was still having issues with expensive |
| 03:41.09 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:41.14 | Amarande | especially with LGA 1366, where the *cheapest* is still almost 300 |
| 03:41.15 | Adys | I went from 512 to 2048 a few years back :P |
| 03:41.18 | Thrae | Amarande: What? You just re-activate. |
| 03:41.19 | cbreak | OS X isn't the most memory friendly OS, so 2 was on the low side, especially when running things like firefox and WoW |
| 03:41.23 | Amarande | Thrae: not with OEM |
| 03:41.24 | WobWork | I went from 2 to 6 |
| 03:41.29 | WobWork | it was -awesome- |
| 03:41.36 | DWSR | WobWork: Yeah. :) |
| 03:41.36 | Amarande | OEM is like ... 175 ... Ultimate retail is ~400 |
| 03:41.51 | DWSR | Amarande: I told you, I can get you a student copy for next to nothing. |
| 03:41.51 | cbreak | can normal people buy OEM? |
| 03:41.58 | DWSR | no |
| 03:42.01 | cbreak | it should only be for manufacturers |
| 03:42.07 | Amarande | I've considered Upgrade, but I'm still foggy on whether you can do a fresh install with 7 Upgrade or if you actually have to go to the trouble to install Vista first |
| 03:42.14 | Amarande | cbreak: newegg is selling it to any and all |
| 03:42.23 | DWSR | Amarande: You can upgrade from XP Pro to 7. |
| 03:42.25 | DWSR | iirc |
| 03:42.32 | DWSR | !g windows 7 upgrade |
| 03:42.32 | batbot | DWSR: Windows: Windows 7 Upgrade Option <http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/upgrade-option.aspx> |
| 03:42.35 | Amarande | Microsoft doesn't care, as long as you play by the 'one machine only' rule and don't try to cry to them for support |
| 03:42.41 | Thrae | Amarande: I've managed OEM. You just re-activate. If it rebuffs you (normally it doesn't), than you call Microsoft and talk to a computer. If THAT rebuffs you (normally it doesn't), than you talk to an agent. Only had one case where it failed altogether. |
| 03:43.00 | DWSR | Amarande: I've never had a problem reinstalling an OEM copy of Windows. ever. |
| 03:43.07 | Amarande | DWSR: but you still have to actually install the previous OS and can't do a clean install, right? |
| 03:43.10 | Thrae | In that case it was probably a pirated copy. |
| 03:43.28 | DWSR | Thrae: I've never had a problem with windows. Ever. |
| 03:43.32 | Thrae | Amarande: No, the Windows XP -> Windows 7 upgrade process is a clean install. |
| 03:43.33 | Amarande | XP Pro would be an even worse start, seeing as my XP Pro disc is original retail |
| 03:43.41 | Amarande | which means that installing onto a 500GB SATA drive would be ... fun |
| 03:43.45 | Thrae | DWSR: I'm talking installs in the thousands upon thousands. |
| 03:43.56 | DWSR | Thrae: I'm getting up to about a thousand. |
| 03:44.15 | DWSR | Thrae: And when you consider that these are all home user installs, with no automation. |
| 03:44.16 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 03:44.18 | Arrowmaster | you can always take your retail xp disc and burn a slipstreamed copy with sp3 |
| 03:44.23 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:44.27 | cbreak | seems windows users get to reinstall a lot |
| 03:44.32 | cbreak | and I thought those were jokes |
| 03:44.34 | eidolarr | You can install full with an upgrade disk without any prior license or install |
| 03:44.37 | Amarande | oddly I could never get a slipstream newer than sp1 to work right |
| 03:44.41 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: windows and ubuntu users |
| 03:44.49 | DWSR | cbreak: Bad Windows users. |
| 03:44.54 | Amarande | though that was back when the RAM was faulty, so it was probably that |
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| 03:44.59 | eidolarr | I've never had to reinstall ubuntu except when switching to 64 bit |
| 03:45.08 | eidolarr | and then once mroe to switch back lol |
| 03:45.18 | cbreak | never had to install ubuntu in the first place |
| 03:45.22 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:45.22 | imbrandon | hum yea ive never had to reinstall ubuntu either |
| 03:45.29 | cbreak | just downloaded a VMWare image |
| 03:45.35 | DWSR | fail. |
| 03:45.38 | Amarande | yeah, Linux rarely needs you to reinstall |
| 03:45.40 | DWSR | I just don't install Ubuntu. |
| 03:45.44 | Amarande | hell, you can swap out the mobo and not have to reinstall |
| 03:45.51 | Thrae | Amarande: The reason Windows requires a reinstallation with a new MB chipset is because its optimized for that chipset to make it not painfully slow. You can do a "Repair Windows" usually to go between chipsets and CPUs. |
| 03:45.53 | cbreak | DWSR: you don't like new toys? :) |
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| 03:45.55 | eidolarr | i used to use gentoo but ubuntu's laptop support is beast |
| 03:45.56 | DWSR | Amarande: You can swap out everything but the harddrive and not have to install. :P |
| 03:46.04 | DWSR | cbreak: Gentoo. |
| 03:46.12 | Amarande | you could literally move the harddrive from a linux box to another machine and have it boot up without complaint :) |
| 03:46.12 | cbreak | that's for masochists |
| 03:46.26 | DWSR | Amarande: s/could/can/ <- fixt. |
| 03:46.33 | Thrae | With Windows XP, you have to do a "repair install" at best, which is what "Repair Windows" does. |
| 03:46.33 | DWSR | been there, done that. |
| 03:46.41 | imbrandon | you can even swap the hdd, just dd it to the new one |
| 03:46.52 | DWSR | cbreak: It's for people who like their source compilations. |
| 03:46.56 | Amarande | basically, I'm finding |
| 03:47.02 | DWSR | imbrandon: Yeah, assuming they're the same. |
| 03:47.03 | Amarande | there is basically no good reason to run windows over linux. |
| 03:47.10 | eidolarr | lol |
| 03:47.12 | Amarande | about the only issue linux has, is gaming with relatively recent ATI cards. |
| 03:47.12 | DWSR | imbrandon: You run into problems when trying to dd to a different sized drive. |
| 03:47.19 | Thrae | One of the reasons Windows Vista and 7 come on DVDs is because they have pre-compiled optimized binaries for all the major chipsets and CPU architectures at the time of release. |
| 03:47.20 | Amarande | unfortunately: I have a relatively recent ATI card. :| |
| 03:47.22 | imbrandon | DWSR, nah dont even have to be the same if you use gparted to copy to the new one ;) |
| 03:47.23 | Arrowmaster | lets see what all do i have available to download here free and legally, "Windows 7 Professional (x64) - DVD (English)" "Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard, Enterprise, Datacenter, and Web (x64) - DVD (English)" |
| 03:47.24 | DWSR | Amarande: VMWare, kthxbai. |
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| 03:47.28 | eidolarr | except games and unsupported hardware and software |
| 03:47.46 | DWSR | imbrandon: Well, then you're not just dd'ing the whole drive. |
| 03:47.52 | DWSR | imbrandon: You're dd'ing each partition individually. |
| 03:48.17 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Can you send me a copy of 2008Server Standard? |
| 03:48.19 | cbreak | no ultimate? |
| 03:48.20 | imbrandon | sure you are, no, you must not have used gparted reciently, there is a option to copy and resize on the fly |
| 03:48.24 | imbrandon | to a new drive |
| 03:48.30 | imbrandon | reciently == last 2 years |
| 03:48.33 | DWSR | imbrandon: gparted's shit. |
| 03:48.35 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: nope no ultimate, but theres vista ultimate |
| 03:48.40 | cbreak | ... |
| 03:48.41 | kd3 | does gparted handle lvms yet? |
| 03:48.41 | cbreak | do not |
| 03:48.42 | Amarande | cbreak: I'm presuming it's like vista |
| 03:48.46 | Arrowmaster | kd3: no |
| 03:48.47 | imbrandon | DWSR, sorry you feel that way |
| 03:48.51 | Amarande | where the type of OS installation is based on the product key you buy |
| 03:49.00 | DWSR | Amarande: Yes. |
| 03:49.11 | Amarande | so a "W7 Pro" DVD is the same in all respects as a "W7 Ultimate" DVD |
| 03:49.20 | DWSR | imbrandon: I'm all about my fdisk |
| 03:49.24 | Thrae | In Windows Vista and 7 you can resize partitions, but only if they are contigious. Gparted can resize sparse partitions by making them contigious, and by doing so sometimes screws up. |
| 03:49.26 | cbreak | windows is funny. |
| 03:49.33 | DWSR | imbrandon: Had gparted fuck up my HDD in a Ubuntu install. Haven't touched it since. |
| 03:49.37 | cbreak | unlock code like in the really old games |
| 03:49.48 | eidolarr | did you submit a bug report? |
| 03:49.51 | DWSR | Also, what Thrae said. Gparted isn't always datasafe. |
| 03:49.55 | Arrowmaster | oh hey i can download "MS-DOS 6.0" |
| 03:49.57 | Amarande | cbreak: unlock code has made a comeback in games too :| |
| 03:49.57 | DWSR | eidolarr: Yes. |
| 03:50.06 | eidolarr | bullshit! |
| 03:50.07 | eidolarr | link |
| 03:50.12 | Amarande | there are games on 360 where half the content on the DVD is shit you have to pay extra via Live to unlock |
| 03:50.12 | DWSR | I don't have it on me. |
| 03:50.17 | imbrandon | DWSR, if you want to be limited in the scope of things you can do "easy" then sure, fdisk rocks, but ummm try to use a modern partiton table and it fails on its face |
| 03:50.18 | DWSR | What, you think I remember this shit from years ago? |
| 03:50.23 | cbreak | Amarande: And manual-codes to find out if you have copied it? |
| 03:50.35 | DWSR | imbrandon: Actually, it works quite nicely for everything I've tried it with |
| 03:50.36 | Amarande | cbreak: haven't seen those lately |
| 03:50.45 | Thrae | The way to fight gparted's problems is a thorough fsck/chkdsk, defrag (if your FS supports it), and THEN use it. |
| 03:50.49 | Amarande | I always thought they were less inconvenient than some more modern copy protection though |
| 03:50.55 | cbreak | "Enter the fifth word of the second paragraph of your Windows 7 Install manual to complete your login process" |
| 03:51.10 | DWSR | Amarande: You mean like Starfuck? |
| 03:51.11 | Thrae | Actually it's not really gparted's "problems", just lack of robust features for FOSS. |
| 03:51.14 | Amarande | DWSR: Yeah. |
| 03:51.15 | DWSR | or ShitDisc? |
| 03:51.24 | kd3 | rgrr |
| 03:51.25 | Amarande | Also, manual codes tend to encourage people to actually read the manual :) |
| 03:51.29 | imbrandon | DWSR, sure like i said if you use really old tech then yea it works, fdisk dosent support GPT (GUID Partition Table) |
| 03:51.30 | DWSR | Or SecuFail? |
| 03:51.35 | Amarande | DWSR: YEAH. |
| 03:51.39 | imbrandon | thus anything done ion the last decade |
| 03:51.45 | Amarande | Aka, "The most common reasons shit won't run on Linux via Wine" |
| 03:51.55 | DWSR | imbrandon: I fdisk'ed all 4 of my current HDDs. |
| 03:51.59 | DWSR | imbrandon: 2 SATA, 2 USB. |
| 03:52.01 | Thrae | Windows PC Gaming -- Learn to use Steam as much as possible for *everything*. (but sometimes they still insist on DRM) |
| 03:52.16 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:52.21 | imbrandon | DWSR, sure using old partition tables, are you not reading what i'm typing ? |
| 03:52.24 | Thrae | I think Bioshock 2 or Mass Effect 2 has like three types of DRM running simontaneously. |
| 03:52.24 | DWSR | Steam is like god, only way cooler because he doesn't bore you |
| 03:52.27 | cbreak | steam IS drm |
| 03:52.29 | kd3 | which is why I can't play batman arkham asylum |
| 03:52.32 | eidolarr | man so dragon age crashes every 2 minutes on 64 bit and i can't kill the last boss before it crashes |
| 03:52.35 | kd3 | grrs at gfwl |
| 03:52.39 | Amarande | cbreak: but at least steam is DRM that's reasonably not fail |
| 03:52.49 | Amarande | cbreak: mainly because it consists of a simple server check |
| 03:52.50 | DWSR | cbreak: Steam's DRM is reasonable. |
| 03:53.04 | Amarande | on games that mainly are played online and obtained via digital distribution, so you're on the net anyway |
| 03:53.06 | DWSR | It also allows you to perform your own backups. |
| 03:53.16 | DWSR | That's my biggest plus, imo. |
| 03:53.19 | Thrae | cbreak: It's the least evil of all DRM I know, but it *can* be used incorrectly. |
| 03:53.20 | Amarande | server check DRM *used* to suck because too many people played games while not online |
| 03:53.34 | kdtresh | reasonability is something unfortunately lacking in many software ecosystems |
| 03:53.35 | DWSR | Yeah, the whole Offline mode still blows. |
| 03:53.37 | Arrowmaster | games on steam can include their own drm |
| 03:53.39 | Amarande | disc check DRM is just plain evil because drivers have to be coded with DRM in mind |
| 03:53.52 | Amarande | or should we just call copy protection by its other initials |
| 03:53.55 | DWSR | Amarande: No they don't, see machines breaking. |
| 03:53.59 | Thrae | Note on incorrect usage of Steam -- Borderlands. That game cannot be run offline unless you can contact certain Steam "key servers" beforehand. |
| 03:54.21 | Amarande | the ones it shares with such beautiful things as the Communist Party, child pornography, computer problems, and copyright police :) |
| 03:54.36 | Thrae | When Steam was down for maintenance one day for about 12 hours I was sad to see Borderlands would not work "online" or "offline", but my other games would. |
| 03:54.36 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:54.39 | Arrowmaster | thats how everything works with steam afaik, or do you mean you have to be online when you start up steam? |
| 03:54.43 | DWSR | Thrae: My biggest issue with Steam is that sometimes I will exit Steam in Offline Mode, and then when it starts back up a) it asks for my credentials and b) it then fucks off and says "OH NOES, CAN'T CONTACT TEH STEAMZ" |
| 03:54.43 | Amarande | is there even a single thing with the initials CP that's actually good? |
| 03:54.43 | Amarande | heh |
| 03:54.46 | cbreak | Still afraid of Communism? |
| 03:55.15 | DWSR | The world needs a good benign dictatorship imo. |
| 03:55.17 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: You need to be online when you go offline, that's about it. |
| 03:55.21 | DWSR | Someone whose pimp hand is strong. |
| 03:55.36 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Well, that's the standard aaaaand my cat just spilt some milk on me |
| 03:55.39 | cbreak | Vote for me. I'll crush Microsoft and ...! |
| 03:55.45 | DWSR | hehe |
| 03:55.47 | Amarande | anyway, on the topic of unlock codes |
| 03:55.54 | DWSR | Please don't crush Microsoft. |
| 03:55.57 | DWSR | Please crush Apple instead. |
| 03:55.59 | Amarande | there are people who are wondering when the time will come |
| 03:56.07 | Amarande | when when you purchase a game, you don't even purchase the ability to complete the game |
| 03:56.09 | cbreak | nah. Apple is good where it is. |
| 03:56.11 | eidolarr | crush ms after their phone is out |
| 03:56.16 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Once you are "Offline", you can be "Offline" for any period of time as determined by the game (Valve games have no limits I know of) |
| 03:56.19 | DWSR | cbreak: Akshully, it's not. |
| 03:56.23 | Amarande | but rather, will have to do mandatory additional purchases for DLC or unlock codes in order to unlock the rest of the game before you can fight the final boss |
| 03:56.36 | Thrae | I know this because when we were doing Video QA, we shared ONE single Steam account |
| 03:56.38 | DWSR | Amarande: You have descended into nonsense. |
| 03:56.39 | cbreak | Amarande: there are free-to-play games |
| 03:56.50 | cbreak | where the to-play you get for free is vastly inferior to what you can buy |
| 03:56.59 | Amarande | DWSR: heh. game devs actually have managed to sell single games for the price of four in the past |
| 03:57.06 | Amarande | ever play the original .hack series? :) |
| 03:57.07 | cbreak | and you could argue that there's no way that you finish WoW within the free month you buy |
| 03:57.11 | DWSR | Amarande: If it's from Valve, I'll pay in gold bars. |
| 03:57.17 | Thrae | We couldn't have multiple Steam accounts because that would be too hard for the developers to allow us to test Steam at the same time |
| 03:57.28 | Amarande | now imagine a future game that's sold in four parts like the .hack series. |
| 03:57.31 | Thrae | Then the developers would have to manage our multiple Steam accounts |
| 03:57.33 | DWSR | Thrae: So round-robin offline mode? |
| 03:57.40 | Amarande | except you bought one game disc, and expect that you can finish the game with that one purchase |
| 03:57.58 | Amarande | then you get to the end of "disc 1" and are told "please go to the Live Marketplace to purchase part 2 of this exciting saga!" |
| 03:57.58 | Thrae | DWSR: No, you played Offline unless the game was Online-only (and only one was) |
| 03:58.20 | Thrae | DWSR: So if everyone was playing "Offline", the account was free to accrediate to go "Offline" by going "Online" for a few seconds |
| 03:58.30 | DWSR | nice. |
| 03:58.36 | Thrae | DWSR: The people playing "Offline" were not effected by the multiple "Offlines" |
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| 03:58.52 | DWSR | Shirik: I have an idea for EDI. |
| 03:58.58 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:59.11 | DWSR | <noun>? -> google for <noun> |
| 03:59.11 | Amarande | Or how about games of the future where half or more of the actual game is DLC instead of actually being included on the disc? |
| 03:59.24 | Shirik | or how about you use the bot that already does that |
| 03:59.29 | Shirik | !g hello world |
| 03:59.29 | batbot | Shirik: Hello world program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hello_world_program> |
| 03:59.38 | DWSR | Shirik: Because it's better when it's automatic? |
| 03:59.43 | Thrae | Amarande: Dragon Age Digital Deluxe Gold Transmute Platinum Cataclyst Wrath of the Niche King Edition? |
| 03:59.52 | Shirik | EDI already does way more than it's supposed to do |
| 03:59.59 | Amarande | Thrae: I'm not thinking of "deluxe editions", mind you. |
| 03:59.59 | Shirik | EDI is supposed to be an anti-spam service and that's it |
| 04:00.06 | kd3 | creature feep |
| 04:00.07 | Shirik | anything more will compromise its realtime aspects |
| 04:00.22 | DWSR | Shirik: Oh, you mean the ones that lock the channel when I do this: |
| 04:00.23 | Amarande | I'm thinking of the idea that instead of selling entire games like they do now, they'd sell you disc 1, and "discs 2-4" would be DLC you'd have to buy in order to finish what most reasonable people would call "the game" |
| 04:00.26 | DWSR | NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP |
| 04:00.30 | DWSR | [/rick] |
| 04:00.32 | cbreak | Make it play Tic-Tac-Toe |
| 04:01.00 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: are you aware of EAs 'operation ten dollars'? |
| 04:01.16 | Amarande | Or worse, not even actual DLC, but right there on the disc but forcing you to pay DLC fees anyway. |
| 04:01.24 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: lemme guess, that's exactly that? |
| 04:01.25 | eidolarr | how is that worse? |
| 04:01.29 | Amarande | I wouldn't put it past EA to do that. |
| 04:01.41 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: its what they did with DA:O and ME2 |
| 04:01.42 | Amarande | eidolarr: because you expect to be able to play all the content that's ON the disc without even going online? |
| 04:01.49 | DWSR | !g operation ten dollars |
| 04:01.49 | batbot | DWSR: Ten Indicted for Pretexting in "Operation Dialing for Dollars" <http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/torellaIndictment.htm> |
| 04:02.03 | DWSR | ... |
| 04:02.06 | cbreak | I always knew EA is criminal |
| 04:02.10 | Arrowmaster | except oddly enough the dlc prices if you didnt purchase the game new and get the code were $15 |
| 04:02.37 | Amarande | ahh, EA making an open attack against the sale of used games :P |
| 04:02.53 | cbreak | Evil Arts! |
| 04:03.00 | Amarande | I knew BioWare was doomed when I heard of the purchase |
| 04:03.03 | cbreak | made a clever acronym related joke |
| 04:03.04 | Amarande | ET TU, BIOWARE? |
| 04:03.14 | eidolarr | the dragon age DLC was very reasonable |
| 04:03.33 | eidolarr | and in lieu of their premium modules, albeit a little more expensive |
| 04:03.35 | Thrae | If you want to talk frivilous DLCs, let's talk FALLOUT (Bethesda). |
| 04:03.43 | Arrowmaster | seriously if the publishers wanted to fight used games sales imho they should stop letting gamestop purchase all these exclusive preorder bonuses |
| 04:04.07 | eidolarr | i didn't even bother with fallout after the oblivion farce |
| 04:04.39 | Arrowmaster | want to talk about game with the best DLC of all time? Burnout Paradise |
| 04:04.52 | Arrowmaster | although theyve said theyre going to stop making any more DLC for it |
| 04:05.09 | WobWork | ok |
| 04:05.15 | WobWork | I need some algorithm help |
| 04:06.01 | WobWork | http://pastey.net/133106 |
| 04:06.34 | WobWork | I need to calculate how many weeks left over from a due date to the current time from a 41 week pool |
| 04:06.36 | Thrae | What is the difference between "DownLoadable Content" and an "Expansion"? Normally what was called an "Free Expansion" in the past for, say, Dark Age of Camelot or even WoW is now more of a "Free DLC". |
| 04:06.50 | WobWork | Thrae: generally amount of content |
| 04:06.53 | Thrae | Except, well, not optional in that case. |
| 04:07.06 | WobWork | and also optional, yeah |
| 04:08.31 | cbreak | I wouldn't consider expansions to be optional |
| 04:08.52 | cbreak | at least not if you want to keep playing |
| 04:09.53 | Thrae | cbreak: "Not if you want to keep playing" being the key phrase there. I usually buy games before the expansions come out, and then skip the expansions if I didn't like the game enough. |
| 04:09.54 | Iriel | I'd say the term DLC has become a fairly inclusive one that covers everything from minor items to full blown content expansions |
| 04:10.23 | eidolarr | what has been sold as DLC that qualifies as an expansion? |
| 04:10.30 | eidolarr | i don't agree |
| 04:10.41 | Iriel | Brotherhood of Steel? |
| 04:10.46 | Arrowmaster | in the past large expansions couldnt be downloaded though |
| 04:11.14 | eidolarr | i'll have to take your word for it |
| 04:11.32 | eidolarr | but in general dlc seems to refer to optional, disjoint content, while expansions are a continuing line |
| 04:11.37 | Thrae | Oblivion: Shivering Isles and Fallout 3: Brotherhood of Steel, yeah. Bethesda has a warped idea of "Expansions" and "DLCs". Even Bloodmoon and Tribunal are sometimes called "DLCs" now. |
| 04:11.55 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: In the past, we didn't use the term "DLCs". |
| 04:11.55 | Iriel | DLC == Content you can download |
| 04:11.57 | eidolarr | shivering isles was sold in boxes |
| 04:12.02 | Iriel | It makes no judgement on what the content IS |
| 04:12.17 | Arrowmaster | wasnt shivering isles also available for download? |
| 04:12.38 | eidolarr | perhaps afterwards but i don't think DLC was prominent enough then for it to be sold as such |
| 04:12.40 | Arrowmaster | i didnt really play oblivion much after i figured out i hated its leveling system |
| 04:12.43 | WobWork | it could be new items |
| 04:12.47 | WobWork | or entire new realms |
| 04:12.58 | WobWork | DLC does not specify |
| 04:13.05 | WobWork | expansion is a wider definition |
| 04:13.19 | Iriel | WobWork: that's how I perceive it |
| 04:13.20 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: I only really liked Oblivion's leveling system when using, of all things, "Oblivion XP" Mod (which plainly says, "We based this on WoW...") |
| 04:13.27 | WobWork | DLC could be stuff like vanity toys or equipment |
| 04:13.58 | eidolarr | other than bethesda who else has sold a major expansion ish thing as dlc? |
| 04:14.03 | WobWork | Thrae: Morrowind's best addon was the jump counter =P |
| 04:14.08 | Thrae | I don't do well with Experience systems that let you literally raise everything to its max at around the start of the game |
| 04:14.14 | Iriel | In theory DLC rarely changes the game engine |
| 04:14.18 | Iriel | whereas an 'expansion' might |
| 04:14.23 | Iriel | but there's no hard line between code and content |
| 04:14.27 | Iriel | so anythingis possible |
| 04:14.32 | Thrae | But that's a personal O/C thing |
| 04:14.45 | Thrae | WobWork: Haha, I remember that |
| 04:15.07 | eidolarr | oblivion was a lot of cool content and features built on horrible game design decisions |
| 04:15.28 | Thrae | I admit I played Elder Scrolls: Oblivion and went back to Morrowind (which I've only play-tested before) and said, "WTF I can't run everywhere?" |
| 04:15.37 | Arrowmaster | some DLC arent even optional, you can still choose not to purchase it but youve already got the content because of a forced game update |
| 04:16.03 | eidolarr | like what? |
| 04:16.09 | Arrowmaster | fable2 |
| 04:16.14 | Thrae | Morrowind enthusiasts generally agree that Oblivion fails because Running does not reduce Stamina |
| 04:16.53 | Arrowmaster | oblivion fails because of the console designed ui |
| 04:16.59 | eidolarr | man i was so pissed off when that oblivion trailer showed the townspeople chatting and then the pc asking them about what he'd overheard, then in the actual game it was just the same dozen loops over and over |
| 04:17.06 | Arrowmaster | i want my fucking grid inventory back |
| 04:17.10 | Thrae | I have a very firm view of Running/Sprinting in games. If your character moves at a CRAWL outside of Running/Sprinting and there's a big, expansive world to explore, give me infinite Run/Sprint, dammit. |
| 04:17.39 | Thrae | eidolarr: There are mods that help fix that, but of course they weren't available at launch. I run about 200 mods on my Oblivion. |
| 04:17.53 | Thrae | eidolarr: It takes up as much space as WoW does now :D |
| 04:18.19 | Arrowmaster | oblivion also fails compared to morrowind because unless a mod had a lot of good voice actors it couldnt add anything to npc dialog without being shit |
| 04:18.23 | eidolarr | Thrae: i tried the highly recommended OOO, killed a bandit, looted him, and he was naked on the road |
| 04:18.27 | eidolarr | and that was that |
| 04:18.59 | Arrowmaster | thats always how oblivion/morrowind were |
| 04:19.19 | eidolarr | I thought the thieving was really cool and the assassin thing, but both were short lived |
| 04:19.22 | Thrae | eidolarr: OOO is more for people who've played Oblivion through twice or so, otherwise you use the mod that combines all the popular "overhaul" mods, which I forget. |
| 04:20.11 | Thrae | eidolarr: That's fixed in the overhaul-overhaul mod, but thieving and assasinations have their own mods too which also "fix it" for me. |
| 04:20.59 | eidolarr | do all these mods change the game enough to make it worth playing once you've beaten it? |
| 04:21.20 | eidolarr | there were so many cool moments, like when you ride up to the fortress on the mountain, but it just didn't pan out |
| 04:24.36 | DWSR | WOO |
| 04:24.41 | DWSR | Dragon Ball Z? Hell yes. |
| 04:25.03 | elec29a | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.34 | DWSR | ##math |
| 04:25.37 | ZorbaTHut | it's a scientific fact that playing WoW obliterates your ability to do math |
| 04:25.42 | eidolarr | elec29a: shoot |
| 04:25.47 | ZorbaTHut | for example, last week I tried to add 1 and 4 |
| 04:25.53 | ZorbaTHut | I ended up with potatoes |
| 04:25.59 | ZorbaTHut | it's really unfortunate |
| 04:26.01 | elec29a | can you discover what 29a means ? |
| 04:26.12 | eidolarr | excuse me? |
| 04:26.36 | ZorbaTHut | it's the sign of the beast in hexadecimal |
| 04:26.41 | ZorbaTHut | you are extremely witty and original |
| 04:26.41 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:26.46 | elec29a | wow you are goood :) |
| 04:26.47 | DWSR | [/sarcasm] |
| 04:27.02 | ZorbaTHut | I assumed it would be simple, because if it wasn't, you wouldn't be hoping someone could guess :P |
| 04:27.42 | eidolarr | i need more witty hex pointer values than 0xbabecafe and 0x1badd00d |
| 04:27.52 | ZorbaTHut | deadbeef is a classic |
| 04:28.09 | eidolarr | ah yes |
| 04:28.36 | Shirik | 0xbaadf00d |
| 04:28.42 | eidolarr | i guess the true pioneers can mix and match to produce 0x1badbabe |
| 04:28.43 | Shirik | 0xcccccccc |
| 04:28.47 | Shirik | 0xcdcdcdcd |
| 04:28.50 | Shirik | 0xfdfdfdfd |
| 04:28.59 | eidolarr | lol |
| 04:29.01 | elec29a | i would remeber 74 75 90hex for livetime its je jne nop the top 3 command in cracking |
| 04:29.16 | eidolarr | perhaps we should enumerate all possibilities and find the funny oens |
| 04:29.40 | Dagmar | Perhaps that's already been done |
| 04:29.42 | Dagmar | Several times |
| 04:30.07 | Dagmar | I've actually run the space of hexadecimal against a dictionary myself |
| 04:30.16 | Dagmar | Easier to google it |
| 04:30.18 | ZorbaTHut | http://nedbatchelder.com/text/hexwords.html here you go |
| 04:30.34 | ZorbaTHut | I like 0x5caff01d |
| 04:30.39 | eidolarr | i was being facetious =( |
| 04:31.32 | eidolarr | hey what happens if you use an unmapped virtual address on a 64 bit machine, like one beyond the 48 used bits? is it just masked down? |
| 04:31.57 | ZorbaTHut | I hope it's a segfault |
| 04:32.34 | eidolarr | i mean if you are a badass like the kernel who eats segfaults for breakfast |
| 04:33.14 | ZorbaTHut | it's still a segfault, the question is just who catches it and handles it |
| 04:33.21 | ZorbaTHut | in the case of the kernel I'd hope it would be a catch/shit/panic |
| 04:34.03 | eidolarr | so it's just a gpf? man that is anticlimactic |
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| 04:35.24 | awweaver | So whats everyone up to? |
| 04:35.55 | Iriel | Waiting in a dungeon queue |
| 04:35.57 | Iriel | (Eta 6 mins) |
| 04:36.03 | Shirik | I am currently typing an IRC message |
| 04:36.15 | Shirik | man, I would be really good at twitter I think |
| 04:36.21 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:36.22 | eidolarr | haha |
| 04:36.30 | Adys | Shirik: buzz it! |
| 04:37.10 | awweaver | Oh god... |
| 04:37.44 | awweaver | Sigh... |
| 04:38.02 | awweaver | Zune software wont install because it says its corrupt, i just dled it again... |
| 04:38.18 | eidolarr | on your zune or on your pc? |
| 04:38.18 | Amarande | hahah you bought a zune |
| 04:38.19 | Shirik | done adys |
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| 04:38.28 | Amarande | dude, there are some things not to admit to buying |
| 04:38.34 | Shirik | I found out two people are following me that I had no idea they knew that address... |
| 04:38.34 | awweaver | I didnt buy a zune, i got it as a bday present |
| 04:38.40 | Amarande | these include the zune, the ipad, the n-gage, windows ME, and DVD rewinders. |
| 04:39.03 | awweaver | Is there a DVD Rewinder? |
| 04:39.12 | Amarande | awweaver, one of the cheezburger network sites showed one |
| 04:39.13 | awweaver | No that i would buy one... |
| 04:39.17 | Amarande | it might have been fail blog, but I'm not sure |
| 04:39.36 | awweaver | facepalms |
| 04:40.22 | eidolarr | haha did you see that "sign up to have an atheist adopt your pet in case of rapture" service? |
| 04:40.43 | awweaver | ? |
| 04:40.43 | Dagmar | I've seen 'em in a walmart |
| 04:40.47 | Dagmar | I assumed they were gag gifts |
| 04:41.00 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/44096/battleworn-thrash-blade/ |
| 04:41.12 | Adys | Added heirloom level-change widget thingy |
| 04:41.22 | awweaver | ? wuh |
| 04:41.52 | ZorbaTHut | doesn't seem to be working properly here |
| 04:42.11 | ZorbaTHut | oh, I see, sorta, what's going on |
| 04:42.23 | ZorbaTHut | if I click on the "80" it turns into a textbox with "undefined", and I have to type manually to fill it |
| 04:42.28 | ZorbaTHut | this is not entirely intuitive ;) |
| 04:42.36 | Adys | what level are you |
| 04:42.40 | Adys | ... what the fuck |
| 04:42.44 | Adys | what browser do you use i mean |
| 04:42.56 | ZorbaTHut | I'm a level 3.5.7 Firefox |
| 04:43.13 | ZorbaTHut | I have noscript and adblock installed, but mmochampion is whitelisted in noscript |
| 04:43.34 | ZorbaTHut | works fine in Chrome |
| 04:43.38 | Adys | Will fix tomorrow, for some reason its lost some shit on the way |
| 04:43.57 | Adys | either way |
| 04:44.07 | awweaver | You guys do that Firefox 3.6 has been out for like 2 weeks right? |
| 04:44.10 | Adys | ⥠firebug inputboxes |
| 04:44.27 | Adys | awweaver: Chrome has been out for like a year |
| 04:44.30 | ZorbaTHut | lazy |
| 04:44.42 | awweaver | Firefox = better...IMO |
| 04:44.45 | ZorbaTHut | I've heard some conflicting reports on how well it works, a few of my friends have downgraded |
| 04:44.52 | ZorbaTHut | I figure I'll wait another week or two or wait for 3.6.1 or something |
| 04:44.54 | Adys | awweaver: Red is better than blue |
| 04:45.04 | awweaver | Meh.... |
| 04:45.15 | Adys | see in my opinion Chrome 1.0 > Firefox any version |
| 04:45.48 | awweaver | Umm...3.6 works just fine...people just fuck with it and messes it up, dont fuck iwth what isn't broken and you will be fine... |
| 04:46.44 | awweaver | Course some people out htere think "If it ain't broke theres somethign wrong" |
| 04:47.04 | Adys | your keyboard is broke imho |
| 04:47.04 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, but people say that about every version also |
| 04:47.09 | ZorbaTHut | especially when stuff is broken :P |
| 04:47.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: pingzor. |
| 04:50.03 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 04:50.04 | Shirik | Adys |
| 04:50.09 | Shirik | I put "I am typing a message on buzz" |
| 04:50.11 | Adys | you got a reply? |
| 04:50.16 | Shirik | and then a few minutes later someone said "I am reading a message on buzz" |
| 04:50.30 | Shirik | wait is that you? |
| 04:50.34 | Adys | no it's not me |
| 04:50.36 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:50.36 | Adys | whats your email |
| 04:50.40 | Shirik | because honestly I have no idea who this is, lol |
| 04:50.40 | DWSR | Shirik: email? |
| 04:50.41 | awweaver | ... |
| 04:50.53 | awweaver | wut is this email you speak of? |
| 04:54.35 | awweaver | Oo my webcam, that i won from a contest on youtube should be here soon, like otmarrow |
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| 04:55.16 | WobWork | http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/kitchen/96bb/ |
| 04:55.20 | elec29a | a question i can make buttons like bartender to cast i can watch buffs like smartdebuff so why i cant create 1 button that casts shadow bolt and if boss goes under 35% its casting soulfire... yesterday you said not possible only with left right click |
| 04:55.22 | WobWork | is an -awesome- product, btw |
| 04:55.27 | WobWork | I have a similar sort of thing |
| 04:55.28 | DWSR | WTB Buzz<->Gravatar support. |
| 04:55.31 | WobWork | and I bought one for use at work |
| 04:55.35 | DWSR | elec29a: No. |
| 04:56.17 | awweaver | http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2009/12/30/wifi-for-passive-aggressives/ |
| 04:56.28 | DWSR | elec29a: You can't change the action which a button performs while in combat unless you follow a specific set of rules. |
| 04:56.47 | elec29a | ahh ok thats the main problem thx alot |
| 04:58.21 | DWSR | Oh my god, buzz e-mails you every time someone posts a buzz? |
| 04:58.22 | DWSR | What the hell? |
| 04:58.34 | Thunder_Child | you can change that i think |
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| 04:59.11 | awweaver | Oopps... |
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| 04:59.33 | DWSR | Whoever made that the default needs to be buried 6 feet deep in solid concrete. |
| 04:59.52 | Adys | wow hahah |
| 04:59.54 | awweaver | I messed up firefox, i tried changing the position of the Google toolbar and the stumbleupon tool bar, and it didnt quite work... |
| 04:59.56 | Adys | awweaver: this site is great |
| 05:00.19 | awweaver | Yea i know |
| 05:00.40 | WobWork | DWSR: the whole launch of Buzz was terribly handled |
| 05:00.41 | awweaver | How do i set firefox back to defaults? |
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| 05:01.28 | Dagmar | 'm thinkin' that perhaps "launched" is too strong a word |
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| 05:01.49 | Dagmar | It's a bit more like they wandered by, set it on the coffee table without a word, and then left. |
| 05:01.58 | DWSR | yeah |
| 05:02.03 | DWSR | Dagmar: DID YOU LISTEN? |
| 05:02.16 | Dagmar | DWSR: I have been workin in the copper mines all night |
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| 05:02.30 | DWSR | You should have put it on your iPod. |
| 05:02.47 | awweaver | theres an app for that |
| 05:03.10 | Dagmar | I'm about to punt it over to my mp3 player actually |
| 05:04.12 | awweaver | 0.o |
| 05:04.24 | DWSR | Dagmar: It's definitely going to sound like shit (as it's V2). |
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| 05:07.24 | Adys | http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2010/01/18/sweet-lowdown/ |
| 05:07.25 | Adys | hahah |
| 05:07.26 | Adys | oh wow |
| 05:09.34 | awweaver | http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2009/03/28/do-your-stairs-think-youre-fat/ |
| 05:10.01 | Adys | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2432/3597911694_0ebac61802.jpg |
| 05:10.04 | Adys | the small print |
| 05:10.34 | awweaver | Im blind what does it say? |
| 05:10.37 | awweaver | ... |
| 05:11.56 | Jerub | "Nothing with Fish sauce, nothing that sat next to a fish in the store" |
| 05:12.01 | Adys | Nothing with fish sauce, nothing that sat next to a fish in the store |
| 05:12.12 | Adys | if you're unsure, ask yourself "Does this smell life fish" |
| 05:12.21 | Adys | If you're still unsure, ask another person, "Does this smell life fish to you?" |
| 05:12.38 | Thunder_Child | soooo...no women in the nuker? |
| 05:12.39 | Dagmar | I know why that's there. |
| 05:12.45 | Dagmar | Have you ever put fish in a microwave? |
| 05:12.59 | Dagmar | "Not so fresh" fish in particular? |
| 05:13.02 | awweaver | http://www.lolfbmoments.com/?p=2057 |
| 05:13.04 | Jerub | not dead ones, no. |
| 05:13.13 | Dagmar | You'll never forget it if you do. |
| 05:13.25 | Dagmar | You'll probably want to flee the building and never return. |
| 05:13.41 | awweaver | Whats thw rost thing to smell on the planet? My vote is Chicken Farm.... |
| 05:13.54 | Jerub | awweaver: i love that one. |
| 05:14.07 | Dagmar | A microwave somehow does a superlative job of taking a small tuna fish, and making it smell like a whale that's been dead on the beach in the hot sun for two and a half weeks, right next to a live sewage outlet |
| 05:14.41 | Dagmar | Fish in the microwave is just as bad as a chicken farm, and worse if you're in a small, enclosed break room with it |
| 05:17.26 | Adys | http://www.lolfbmoments.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/bread1.jpg |
| 05:17.29 | Adys | haha this is great |
| 05:22.01 | Arrowmaster | weve microwaved fish and its never smelled bad |
| 05:22.26 | Arrowmaster | although i may just be used to the smell of fish |
| 05:24.04 | awweaver | Hmm, i wonder...Is it a good idea to microwave fish? search youtbe guys there a swebseries on this |
| 05:25.20 | awweaver | http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=1tzdpthy3v |
| 05:26.03 | awweaver | Some videos on stumble are funny ass shit, some are not so much... |
| 05:26.21 | awweaver | http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=omv65y8ky4 |
| 05:26.33 | awweaver | I believe he plays wow too |
| 05:27.36 | Shadowed | Any suggestions on an OSX BLP -> PNG converteR? |
| 05:27.41 | Shadowed | that can mass convert |
| 05:27.55 | awweaver | one sec... |
| 05:29.56 | Dagmar | Prayer. |
| 05:30.01 | Dagmar | Possibly ImageMagick. |
| 05:30.10 | Dagmar | It's a toss-up. |
| 05:30.16 | Jerub | if imagemagick can't do it, nothing can |
| 05:30.28 | Iriel | Not true |
| 05:31.09 | awweaver | I know one of the people i follow did an image converter video awhile ago, i just cant find it |
| 05:31.41 | Iriel | Someone was working on a java BLP2 converter |
| 05:33.08 | Shadowed | stupid 7600 bajillion icons |
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| 05:33.48 | awweaver | http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=4fc8j2kpph |
| 05:33.52 | awweaver | LOLOOLOLOL |
| 05:35.01 | awweaver | got another one... |
| 05:35.02 | awweaver | http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=psbgf9f7ca |
| 05:35.11 | Shirik | can I get another "amen"? |
| 05:36.36 | awweaver | ? |
| 05:36.43 | Shirik | you're supposed to say "amen!" |
| 05:36.47 | awweaver | ? |
| 05:36.52 | Shirik | and then I go "There's a flag wrapped around a score of men" |
| 05:37.07 | awweaver | Im confused |
| 05:37.29 | Adys | If you want an amen on "fuck firefox" |
| 05:37.31 | Adys | you got mine |
| 05:37.56 | awweaver | ... |
| 05:38.37 | Shirik | "Sieg heil!" to the president Gas man. "Bombs away" is your punishment! Pulverize the Eiffel tower, who criticize your government! |
| 05:38.53 | Shirik | Zieg* |
| 05:38.54 | Shirik | whatever |
| 05:38.59 | Shirik | I don't even know what that means |
| 05:40.10 | Adys | Night Shirik |
| 05:40.17 | Adys | Have a nice social life without me on buzz |
| 05:40.21 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:42.32 | awweaver | http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=0xn5eprqwc |
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| 05:42.34 | awweaver | YES |
| 05:45.44 | awweaver | aww it ended |
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| 05:46.57 | awweaver | http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=vo66gbhxdt LOL... |
| 05:50.56 | Fisker | I tried my very best Shirik |
| 05:51.59 | Dagmar | awweaver: HAHAHAHA |
| 05:52.09 | awweaver | which one? |
| 05:52.26 | Dagmar | The Dell one |
| 05:52.31 | awweaver | yea... |
| 05:52.54 | Fisker | please forgive me Shirik |
| 05:53.47 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 05:54.08 | awweaver | one of my links, arrow? |
| 05:54.14 | Arrowmaster | yes the dell one |
| 05:54.26 | awweaver | Yep, Porno is the win |
| 05:59.52 | awweaver | Ouch |
| 05:59.55 | awweaver | http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=9lvo3ts9lx |
| 06:01.57 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 06:02.01 | Fisker | why won't you forgive me? |
| 06:03.10 | Shirik | did you see what your /b/rothers said to me Fisker? |
| 06:03.12 | Fisker | then i will forever walk the earth cursed |
| 06:03.16 | Fisker | naw? |
| 06:04.06 | Jerub | i very nearly convinced some btards not to do their stupid ddos |
| 06:04.20 | Shirik | Fisker: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/9cb5445c9255ecbf204372254a6a81dd.png (some bad language, warning) |
| 06:05.24 | Shirik | they got mad about http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Vandalism_information&diff=344520018&oldid=344518490 |
| 06:05.48 | Fisker | i lol'd |
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| 06:09.46 | Shirik | Fisker probably posted that |
| 06:11.25 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.41 | Dagmar | hahaha |
| 06:14.45 | Fisker | i wouldn't Shirik |
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| 06:22.39 | awweaver | So this one time, at band camp |
| 06:30.00 | Cairenn | ... my percussion group and I got playing the marimba, xylophone, etc, and we got so entranced we didn't realize how long we had been playing until our instructor snapped us out of it and we discovered it'd been 3 hrs ... |
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| 06:40.47 | Shirik | envisions Cairenn making some trance |
| 06:40.57 | Shirik | or african music |
| 06:45.06 | awweaver | I hate it when i sneeze and it hurts....really hurts |
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| 06:48.46 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 06:48.56 | Cairenn | @ Shirik, not awweaver |
| 06:49.29 | awweaver | I wish i had curse premium....would make updating addons so much quicker/easier |
| 06:49.55 | Cairenn | or use Minion, that doesn't require premium membership to "update all" |
| 06:50.07 | awweaver | Minion? |
| 06:50.13 | Cairenn | WoWInterface's |
| 06:50.33 | awweaver | WoWInterface doesnt have some of the nifty addosn that curse does... |
| 06:51.47 | awweaver | I do use some addons that are exclusively wowinterface, like Lightheaded, Carbonite and used to have Doublewide b4 it became obsolete |
| 06:52.22 | Cairenn | http://minion.mmoui.com/ |
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| 06:58.28 | ronghail | any update on the tourguide saga? |
| 06:58.45 | Jerub | ronghail: omg, have you heard? tourguide isn't on the addon websites anymore! |
| 06:58.57 | ronghail | you must be new |
| 06:58.58 | Cairenn | oy |
| 06:59.13 | awweaver | Tourguide is awesome |
| 06:59.28 | Cairenn | the update is it's on hold until tekkub says otherwise :) |
| 06:59.48 | Jerub | tekkub hasn't said anything here :( |
| 06:59.51 | ronghail | ok ty |
| 07:00.01 | awweaver | and Minion, updates alot of addons, that for soem unknown reason werent updated through curse |
| 07:00.52 | Jerub | is there something good for osx? |
| 07:00.57 | Jerub | i mean, i know curse runs, but meh. |
| 07:01.08 | Cairenn | minion |
| 07:01.13 | awweaver | try minion...not sure if its mac.. |
| 07:01.21 | awweaver | http://minion.mmoui.com/ |
| 07:01.34 | awweaver | its cross platform |
| 07:01.48 | Cairenn | it's all 3 |
| 07:01.54 | Jerub | woo |
| 07:02.02 | Jerub | okay, i'll play with that when i get home |
| 07:02.43 | awweaver | it wont update Tourguide |
| 07:02.47 | awweaver | :( |
| 07:02.51 | Cairenn | rolls her eyes |
| 07:02.54 | ronghail | heh |
| 07:03.17 | Jerub | the out of date versionw ill still run, right? |
| 07:03.24 | awweaver | yep... |
| 07:03.39 | awweaver | but minion yelled at me because its diabled |
| 07:05.24 | awweaver | The addons i updated through minion were all ealier realeases of the addons i have |
| 07:06.46 | Cairenn | that happens to some people, until it gets itself sync'd |
| 07:06.53 | Cairenn | go-go backups |
| 07:08.20 | awweaver | ahh the good ol' days http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUcgBt0pRXE |
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| 07:22.53 | krka_ | todays xkcd really is todays xkcd |
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| 08:42.43 | Wobin | hehe |
| 08:42.56 | Wobin | "The first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club" |
| 09:00.14 | Shirik | ummmmm |
| 09:00.16 | Shirik | halp |
| 09:00.19 | Shirik | anyone here good with GPG? |
| 09:00.23 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: ping |
| 09:03.53 | Shirik | sigh |
| 09:03.58 | Shirik | I'll deal with it tomorrow I guess |
| 09:04.41 | zenzio | you should know that you should just state your problem and see if anyone responds |
| 09:04.49 | zenzio | some of us possess Google-fu |
| 09:05.15 | Shirik | I received this message from someone I was having a conversation with |
| 09:05.26 | Shirik | GPG Encrypted Challenge-Response request |
| 09:05.34 | Shirik | I assume this is for key signing |
| 09:05.42 | Shirik | question is what do I do with it |
| 09:06.12 | nevcairiel | usually you would have a plugin in your email client that can handle that |
| 09:06.15 | nevcairiel | (if it was email) |
| 09:06.25 | Shirik | ah it hasn't gotten to my email client yet |
| 09:06.28 | Shirik | I saw it in my blackberry |
| 09:11.52 | Shirik | well anyway |
| 09:11.56 | Shirik | let us assume my client handles it somehow |
| 09:12.19 | Shirik | am I supposed to do the same in response? Or is only one challenge-response necessary for both ends of key signing? |
| 09:15.55 | Shirik | oh shit, this was an encrypted message |
| 09:16.02 | Shirik | I got it in my email client and it actually has a message, lol |
| 09:16.34 | Shirik | no wonder this didn't make any sense |
| 09:19.27 | Shirik | ok nevcairiel: Next question |
| 09:19.38 | Shirik | I need to encrypt a message. But it's not an email I want to send. |
| 09:19.43 | Shirik | I just need to encrypt it with my key |
| 09:19.45 | Shirik | er |
| 09:19.45 | Shirik | with his |
| 09:19.56 | Shirik | I just use gpg to do this? |
| 09:20.02 | nevcairiel | shrug, i just know how to use the tool in my mail client |
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| 09:21.29 | Shirik | well |
| 09:21.39 | Shirik | at least my email client helped me figure out wtf this is |
| 09:21.47 | Shirik | it was just an encrypted email |
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| 09:39.50 | Shirik | I think I figured it out nevcairiel |
| 09:39.54 | Shirik | gpg is a hell of a lot smarter than I expected |
| 09:40.06 | nevcairiel | smart software++ |
| 09:40.15 | Shirik | I was trying to be too intelligent and telling it where everything was |
| 09:40.25 | Shirik | when I let it figure out the keys and signatures on its own, it was so easy |
| 09:40.29 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: smarter than Shirik doesn't say a lot though! |
| 09:40.41 | zenzio | what? Shirik trying to be too clever? That's hardly news |
| 09:40.44 | Shirik | ... |
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| 09:53.21 | Shirik | sigh |
| 09:53.24 | Shirik | I think I did this right |
| 09:53.35 | Shirik | Sucky part of encrypting stuff using RSA technology |
| 09:53.43 | Shirik | you have NO way of verifying if you actually encrypted it right |
| 09:53.53 | Shirik | because you encrypt it from yourself too... |
| 09:54.12 | krka_ | sure you know both your private and public key |
| 09:54.18 | jnwhiteh | how could you do it 'wrong'? |
| 09:54.24 | krka_ | oh right, you use the other persons public |
| 09:54.25 | krka_ | never mind |
| 09:54.28 | Shirik | I don't know :P |
| 09:54.44 | Shirik | He asked me to encrypt and sign, I just want to make sure I signed it properly, but to do that I need to decrypt it it seems :/ |
| 09:55.17 | olafski | anyone know if I can have MSBT show outgoing damage above the target's head? :S |
| 09:56.23 | jnwhiteh | olafski: no |
| 09:56.30 | jnwhiteh | the UI has no idea where the target is |
| 09:56.39 | jnwhiteh | the UI _system_ has no idea where the target is. |
| 09:57.11 | olafski | hrm |
| 09:57.21 | olafski | guess I'll just stick to default blizzard stuff then :< |
| 10:01.21 | olafski | all I wanted was to show the total damage of each aoe tick ;) |
| 10:01.36 | jnwhiteh | you can do that |
| 10:01.38 | jnwhiteh | jus tnot over the target |
| 10:01.39 | jnwhiteh | :P: |
| 10:02.01 | zenzio | Amazon's ability to reccomend so many different kinds of books in the same e-mail always perplexes me... "In this message: Galactic North, Old Man's War, Whipping Star, Star Trek XI, Expert C++/CLI - .NET for Visual C++ Programmers, Assembly language Step-by-Step: Programming with Linux, Using Russian Vocabulary, Shots from the Front: The British Soldier 1914-18" |
| 10:04.28 | olafski | jnwhiteh: yeah, but that wouldn't make sense anyway :) |
| 10:04.41 | olafski | jnwhiteh: I'm fine with the normal display of damage, I just wanted that total damage displayed _too_ :) |
| 10:05.28 | olafski | so I can decide whether to use heart strike or blood boil |
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| 10:10.53 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 10:10.57 | jnwhiteh | hey Fisker |
| 10:11.03 | Kalroth | Fiskered. |
| 10:11.12 | Kalroth | Did you get your package, jnwhiteh. |
| 10:11.33 | jnwhiteh | last saturday, yeah. |
| 10:11.38 | jnwhiteh | i ahd to go pick it up |
| 10:11.40 | jnwhiteh | but at least DHL allows that |
| 10:11.43 | jnwhiteh | since Fedex doesn't. |
| 10:11.45 | jnwhiteh | nor does UPS |
| 10:11.51 | jnwhiteh | they MUST try to deliver the package first |
| 10:11.55 | Kalroth | haha |
| 10:12.20 | Kalroth | "Yes, we got YOUR package here, but you cant have it." |
| 10:12.27 | jnwhiteh | seriously |
| 10:12.29 | jnwhiteh | we'll try to deilver it |
| 10:12.31 | jnwhiteh | in three days |
| 10:12.34 | jnwhiteh | and if you're not tehr |
| 10:12.37 | jnwhiteh | then we'll leave a note |
| 10:12.41 | jnwhiteh | and you can arrange to come pick it up |
| 10:12.42 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 10:13.28 | Kalroth | haha |
| 10:13.40 | zenzio | so use someone who aren't meant to deliver to your door in the first place then |
| 10:14.28 | jnwhiteh | .. they instead deliver to.. a monkey? |
| 10:14.33 | jnwhiteh | where else are they supposed to deliver it? |
| 10:15.03 | zenzio | I was under the impression you wanted to go pick it up someplace rather than have them try to deliver |
| 10:15.12 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 10:15.13 | Kalroth | "Hi this Jenny from WeDontActuallyDeliver, we got your package and we aren't going to deliver it." |
| 10:15.16 | Kalroth | this is* |
| 10:15.19 | jnwhiteh | but it still ahs to be shipped somewehre |
| 10:15.22 | jnwhiteh | i didn't _want_ to pick it up |
| 10:15.23 | jnwhiteh | they were slow |
| 10:15.31 | jnwhiteh | and the package wasn't delivered on Friday like it should have been |
| 10:15.32 | zenzio | meh |
| 10:15.33 | Kalroth | op-tio-nal |
| 10:15.39 | Kalroth | al-ter-na-ti-ve |
| 10:15.39 | jnwhiteh | so I wanted to pick it up, rather tan wait until Monday. |
| 10:15.44 | Wobin | jnwhiteh, next time, get it delivered to the depot =) |
| 10:15.57 | jnwhiteh | they wouldn't have delivered it |
| 10:16.01 | jnwhiteh | you don't seem to get it =) |
| 10:16.03 | jnwhiteh | and it worked out fine |
| 10:16.08 | jnwhiteh | it would not have with Fedex or UPS |
| 10:16.22 | zenzio | having workedi n the postal service I find people have a lot of weird expectations |
| 10:16.29 | ZorbaTHut | that's one nice thing about living in an apartment building |
| 10:16.29 | jnwhiteh | I don't. |
| 10:16.31 | jnwhiteh | mine are 100% reasonable. |
| 10:16.33 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: ... |
| 10:16.36 | zenzio | to you |
| 10:16.43 | ZorbaTHut | unless the package is marked "signature absolutely mandatory", then as long as they can *get inside*, they'll leave it next to your door |
| 10:16.51 | jnwhiteh | No, in reality. |
| 10:16.57 | jnwhiteh | I don't understand what your problem is. |
| 10:16.59 | jnwhiteh | if my package |
| 10:17.02 | ZorbaTHut | and the building is large enough that often a few people are getting a package, so if one of them is home, everyone gets their packages. |
| 10:17.02 | jnwhiteh | is at a depot near my ouse |
| 10:17.06 | jnwhiteh | i should be able to pick it up |
| 10:17.09 | jnwhiteh | is that unreasonable? |
| 10:17.12 | zenzio | I don't have a problem; I have a different opinion to yours |
| 10:17.21 | ZorbaTHut | (unless I'm ordering from Apple because they really do put "signature absolutely mandatory" on everything, fuck you apple) |
| 10:17.28 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: I have an address that is always ready to receive a package |
| 10:17.31 | jnwhiteh | so I don't have that issue |
| 10:17.46 | ZorbaTHut | jn, I guess you just have really lazy delivery depots then :) |
| 10:17.49 | jnwhiteh | zenzio: what have I said that is a weird expectation? |
| 10:17.56 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: no, they don't deliver on Saturday |
| 10:18.16 | jnwhiteh | I have no issue with DHL.. I have no idea why people think I do... |
| 10:18.38 | jnwhiteh | and I'd love to hear what my 'weird expectation' is.. considering that's what you seemed to imply. |
| 10:18.45 | zenzio | nevermind, you clearly just see things differently |
| 10:18.50 | jnwhiteh | no, explain it to me. |
| 10:18.59 | jnwhiteh | what have I said that seems to be a weird expectation? |
| 10:19.07 | jnwhiteh | I don't even need to argue it, I'm just curious now. |
| 10:20.51 | jnwhiteh | I'd rather agree to disagree than have to sit here having someone tell me my expectations are weird without even being willing to say _what_ said expectation is. |
| 10:22.09 | jnwhiteh | ... or not? |
| 10:22.10 | jnwhiteh | zenzio: ? |
| 10:23.30 | zenzio | I told you to forget it. Seems obvious to me you'd not agree anyway, and I have trouble putting this into English |
| 10:23.59 | jnwhiteh | Then don't say it in the first place. |
| 10:25.11 | zenzio | I was under the impression I could explain it at first, but that obviously didn't work |
| 10:25.17 | zenzio | stop taking things so seriously |
| 10:25.39 | Fisker | btw |
| 10:25.53 | jnwhiteh | I'm not. I'm not upset, not frustrated. But I'm trying to understand, from someone who has worked in postal services, what of my expectations are weird.. so I can adjust them in teh future. |
| 10:25.54 | Fisker | for some reason my paladin is getting tank/dps like queues :D |
| 10:26.22 | Fisker | which is nice since i'm a bit bored with tanking at the moment |
| 10:27.27 | Corrodias | it's funny. i think it's fedex that also doesn't allow you to refuse delivery of a package until they make a delivery attempt. |
| 10:27.48 | jnwhiteh | I like, if my package has cleared a depot and is ready for deliver, and the depot is open and manned on a Saturday, and they don't attempt delivery on a Saturday, that I might be able to go pick up the package. DHL allows this, and I did this this weekend. Fedex and UPS will not allow you to do _ANYTHING_ until they have attempted delivery. Including what Corrodias said. |
| 10:27.55 | Corrodias | even if you know it's coming and know you don't want it, damnit, they're GOING to waste the resources transporting it, their own time and everyone else's be damned. |
| 10:28.11 | jnwhiteh | If that's weird or unreasonable, than we can agree to disagree, but I didn't express any other expectations whatsoever (and this is just a desire, not an expectation). |
| 10:28.12 | Corrodias | it was either fedex or ups |
| 10:28.23 | jnwhiteh | Corrodias: yep, it's a bizarre system. |
| 10:28.32 | zenzio | I find it amusing that you assumed I was only talking about you |
| 10:28.38 | jnwhiteh | I didn't |
| 10:28.40 | Fisker | our postal services are lol as well |
| 10:28.43 | jnwhiteh | but in te context of the conversation, it was implied. |
| 10:28.48 | jnwhiteh | hence why I asked for clarification |
| 10:28.51 | Corrodias | easily amused~ |
| 10:28.53 | jnwhiteh | which you aren't interested in providing. |
| 10:28.59 | Fisker | if they attempt to deliver you cannot get the package until the day after or day after that |
| 10:29.16 | Fisker | Problem being that they sometimes "attempt to deliver" without actually attempting to deliver |
| 10:29.23 | Fisker | bitches :P |
| 10:29.25 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: ack, that sucks. |
| 10:29.34 | Corrodias | "i couldn't muster the willpower to lift the box. so i attempted it, but failed." |
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| 10:29.40 | Fisker | not that big a problem here though |
| 10:30.10 | Fisker | Just got like 30 pounds worth of hardware yesterday and they delivered even despite the shitty snow |
| 10:30.51 | jnwhiteh | DHL is still my preference, by far. |
| 10:30.58 | Kalroth | We got UPS and FedEx and DHL here too, Fisker, and they can be just as bad or worse than Danish postal services. |
| 10:31.00 | jnwhiteh | The price is right for the most part as well |
| 10:31.19 | Fisker | yeah i know Kalroth |
| 10:31.24 | Fisker | infact DHL is worse here kinda |
| 10:31.27 | Kalroth | yes, we use DHL now, since the delivery/pickup guy they got is pretty awesome |
| 10:31.29 | Fisker | well in my experience anyway |
| 10:31.43 | jnwhiteh | tho Fedex pickup has always been really really disturbingly quick =0 |
| 10:31.49 | Kalroth | FedEx and UPS was just shite for us |
| 10:32.43 | Kalroth | DHL dude is here twice a day, at the same time, grabs the packages, takes a sip of coffee while checking papers, hits a little on one of the secretaries and moves on |
| 10:32.50 | jnwhiteh | haha, nice =) |
| 10:32.55 | Fisker | The best hting were when our packages got stuffed outside |
| 10:32.59 | Fisker | in the middle of the winter |
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| 10:33.31 | Fisker | When i told them about it she said she didn't know what i was talking about |
| 10:33.39 | Fisker | "Ok let me just fill this package missing claim then" |
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| 10:33.42 | Kalroth | we had UPS do that, fucking retards - they let 12 boxes of monitors outside the building while it was snowing, without a warning or even telling us they dropped it off |
| 10:33.43 | Fisker | never happened again :P |
| 10:34.28 | Kalroth | the top boxes were actually wet .. |
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| 10:35.04 | Corrodias | hilarity. |
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| 10:39.03 | Fisker | fuck that :( |
| 10:39.08 | Fisker | just got into CoS |
| 10:39.13 | Fisker | everyone but me leaves |
| 10:39.17 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
| 10:39.22 | jnwhiteh | i hate when people do that. |
| 10:39.45 | Kalroth | They left because of Fisker though, not because of it being CoS. |
| 10:40.17 | Fisker | true that |
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| 10:42.28 | olafski | heh had a tank with 24k hp in totc hc.. "you're undergeared for this" "but I specifically need stuff from here!" |
| 10:42.54 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 10:43.28 | olafski | I told him to go to ICC, he probably needs stuff there too :< |
| 10:48.36 | olafski | had we gotten Eadric it would have been fine actually.. but he insisted on tanking the confessor while the shade was up |
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| 10:58.39 | haste | Kalroth: at least it only takes around two weeks for stuff to try! |
| 10:58.41 | haste | s/try/dry/ |
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| 11:01.15 | Kalroth | True! |
| 11:04.26 | Fisker | i kinda like haste now |
| 11:07.34 | Wobin | I'm sure haste likes you too |
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| 11:28.03 | Fisker | i don't like you though Wobin |
| 11:28.56 | Wobin | I would feel terrible if you did |
| 11:29.05 | Wobin | It would have been like misleading you into false emotions |
| 11:30.46 | Fisker | [12:29:21][2. Trade] [Tominutt]: question. would it be possible for a mage to summon me as a lvl 72 to naxxramas just so that I could pity the Love Fool? |
| 11:30.55 | Fisker | [12:29:31][2. Trade] [Fisker]: no |
| 11:30.56 | Fisker | [12:29:35][2. Trade] [Fisker]: mages can't summon |
| 11:30.56 | Fisker | [12:29:39][2. Trade] [Fisker]: duh |
| 11:31.05 | Fisker | [12:29:48][2. Trade] [Tominutt]: haha meant portal |
| 11:31.15 | Fisker | [12:29:56][2. Trade] [Fisker]: You can portal to Naxxramas |
| 11:31.16 | Fisker | [12:29:58][2. Trade] [Fisker]: you meant warlock |
| 11:31.16 | Fisker | [12:30:03][2. Trade] [Fisker]: and no there's a level limit |
| 11:31.21 | Fisker | successful troll is successful |
| 11:33.28 | foxlit | "can"? |
| 11:34.02 | foxlit | that looks like fiskerfail. |
| 11:35.52 | Fisker | looks like fuck you |
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| 11:37.26 | Fisker | hey Cide |
| 11:37.27 | Fisker | nemesis |
| 11:37.33 | Cide | hi |
| 11:38.32 | Cairenn|afk | morning Cide |
| 11:38.58 | Cide | morning :) |
| 11:42.27 | Kalroth | hi Fisker |
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| 13:46.26 | zenzio | hai peppy |
| 13:46.33 | Lopeppeppy | Morning dear. |
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| 14:24.53 | zenzio | how can this be? I just saw an Evony ad that didn't feature massive boobs or sexually suggestive woemn |
| 14:24.56 | zenzio | or women |
| 14:25.20 | krka_ | aren't those the same thing? |
| 14:25.20 | olafski | < olafski> I just saw an evony ad with a guy in it oO |
| 14:25.22 | olafski | :) |
| 14:25.40 | Lopeppeppy | Trying to get some live females to play their game? |
| 14:25.47 | olafski | "FREE FOREVER" |
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| 14:27.26 | Lopeppeppy | Free willy? |
| 14:27.53 | zenzio | if you don't capitalise that then you're just asking for innuendo |
| 14:28.04 | Lopeppeppy | No, really? |
| 14:28.16 | DJJeff | is there an addon that makes finding the elders easier? |
| 14:28.19 | zenzio | I wanted to say it on the off chance you hadn't intended to |
| 14:28.24 | DJJeff | tourguide purhaps? |
| 14:28.42 | Lopeppeppy | DJJeff, there's a tom tom plugin script that jnwhiteh wrote, you can search yesterday's logs for the link. |
| 14:29.09 | Lopeppeppy | I believe I also saw a plugin for Tourguide, but I can't swear to that, you'd have to search the sites. |
| 14:29.20 | jnwhiteh | yeah tourguide has a good guide i think |
| 14:29.27 | DJJeff | how do I search logs? |
| 14:29.31 | Lopeppeppy | ~logs |
| 14:29.32 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 14:30.22 | DJJeff | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/tourguide_lunarfestival.aspx |
| 14:30.24 | DJJeff | X_X |
| 14:30.31 | DJJeff | found it |
| 14:30.45 | Lopeppeppy | See what your search-fu accomplishes for you! |
| 14:31.00 | olafski | wowhead has a guide too |
| 14:31.08 | olafski | not ingame obviously but I found it easy enough to find them that way :P |
| 14:31.30 | olafski | http://www.wowhead.com/?guide=lunar-festival |
| 14:31.33 | Lopeppeppy | There are a number of guides out there, the festival is a few years old. |
| 14:32.20 | DJJeff | I like in game I hate alt tabing every 5 min |
| 14:32.41 | Fisker | open your eyes |
| 14:32.46 | zenzio | you don't have two monitors? |
| 14:33.04 | Fisker | i think they used an old version of the ad zenzio |
| 14:33.14 | zenzio | Fisker: aha |
| 14:33.25 | DJJeff | tourguide itself is pretty old X_X |
| 14:33.37 | olafski | not like alt tabbing isn't instant with wow |
| 14:33.39 | DJJeff | 9/29/2009 |
| 14:33.40 | olafski | oh wait, it is |
| 14:34.01 | zenzio | maybe not if you're playing in fullscreen mode |
| 14:34.09 | olafski | yeah.. but who does that, that's annoying ;) |
| 14:34.26 | olafski | I tab out like 20 times per hour I bet |
| 14:34.28 | zenzio | I think you can still get slightly higher framerates if you do, but I don't |
| 14:34.30 | olafski | probably a lot more |
| 14:34.35 | olafski | yeah you do get higher framerates |
| 14:34.39 | DJJeff | tourguide went boooooooooom |
| 14:34.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yes it did. |
| 14:35.01 | olafski | I have launchy set up for wowhead, wowwiki etc.. so I look stuff up a lot with wow running |
| 14:36.01 | Fisker | open your eyes jnwhiteh |
| 14:36.34 | jnwhiteh | reach up to the skies and see?? |
| 14:36.39 | jnwhiteh | I'm just a poor boy |
| 14:37.04 | mikma | poop |
| 14:39.16 | Fisker | you've killed us all mikma |
| 14:42.36 | mikma | good |
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| 15:05.42 | Wobin | woo http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kxrjmwrCNJ1qztp9xo1_500.jpg |
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| 15:10.05 | elec29a | damn i hate ts2 it is working like 2 hours on my pc then it stops working i can hear but not talk... and the mic is still working in messanger i askd in teamspeak forum they say my windowss is brocken yes i did a reinstall and juste the same ... they say teamspeak hasnt errors .. i tried every setting what could i do ? |
| 15:10.09 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 15:10.28 | elec29a | gm ... aeh good morning :) |
| 15:10.36 | kneeki | :) |
| 15:11.16 | Fisker | oh god Wobin |
| 15:11.20 | kneeki | If I wanted to kill an on update function after my code has ran, how would I do that? f:SetScript("OnUpdate", return) ? |
| 15:11.22 | Fisker | you're killing me |
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| 15:12.13 | Gagorian | kneeki: Are you sure you need an on update function if you want it only to run once? |
| 15:12.25 | kneeki | yeah, i need it to run after a delay |
| 15:12.39 | kneeki | and using onupdate is the only way I know to to do this |
| 15:13.35 | Gagorian | well just set it to nil to remove it |
| 15:14.30 | kneeki | f:SetScript("OnUpdate", nil) <- ? |
| 15:14.55 | Wobin | .... |
| 15:15.00 | Wobin | world... of... lordcraft? |
| 15:16.50 | olafski | wut? |
| 15:17.39 | DWSR | kneeki: Yes. |
| 15:19.18 | Fisker | don't kill me Wobin |
| 15:19.34 | Wobin | www.worldoflordcraft.com |
| 15:19.43 | olafski | wtf |
| 15:19.47 | Wobin | yeah |
| 15:20.06 | olafski | this has to be a joke |
| 15:20.23 | Wobin | I'll leave it with you and go to bed =P |
| 15:20.24 | olafski | filled with random typos, double posted news... |
| 15:20.24 | Wobin | night all |
| 15:20.59 | DWSR | Also, they're using some of the Warcraft unit models. |
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| 15:21.48 | DWSR | I forgot just how awesome the DBZ series is. |
| 15:22.04 | DWSR | And just how much more awesome it is when you can fast forward through the constipated charge sequences. |
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| 15:26.38 | Ackis | yay Canada! destroyed the vikings! |
| 15:26.48 | krka_ | hm? |
| 15:26.57 | krka_ | hockey? |
| 15:27.06 | Ackis | yup |
| 15:27.43 | krka_ | hmm.. i dont see any swedish news on it |
| 15:27.56 | Ackis | they didn't play last night iirc |
| 15:28.20 | Ackis | http://tweetphoto.com/11636944 http://tweetphoto.com/11637120 First one is the drawing, second one is with the model of the drawing :D |
| 15:33.24 | Ackis | why do people think I'm going to help them get addons working on a private server? |
| 15:33.37 | Fisker | i lost you Ackis |
| 15:33.52 | krka_ | i dont follow you at all, how was the destruction done without any playing? |
| 15:33.57 | Fisker | besides it should be easy Ackis |
| 15:34.15 | Ackis | 08:33Dr_HaZaRd_I use your addon since TBC... first on official server, now private... and you kick and ban me ? |
| 15:34.21 | Ackis | 08:34Dr_HaZaRd_fuck you and your addon :\ |
| 15:34.49 | Fisker | poor dr hazard |
| 15:34.51 | Ackis | 08:34Dr_HaZaRd_testa di cazzoi |
| 15:34.56 | olafski | ackis: lol |
| 15:35.02 | olafski | testa di cazzoi! |
| 15:35.14 | Kraps | Ackis: HOW DARE YOU FOLLOW RULES |
| 15:35.35 | Fisker | what rules? |
| 15:37.50 | Fisker | patiently awaits a response from kraftman |
| 15:37.57 | Kraps | hahaha |
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| 15:37.59 | kraftman | :( |
| 15:38.07 | Kraps | ~fail Fisker |
| 15:38.07 | purl | Fisker: FAIL! |
| 15:38.12 | Fisker | oh snap |
| 15:38.23 | Fisker | explain yourself kraftman |
| 15:38.26 | Kraps | inorite |
| 15:38.27 | Fisker | or should i say explain kraps? |
| 15:38.28 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 15:39.26 | Kraps | chatzilla doesnt have this problem |
| 15:39.30 | Ackis | ~fail Fisker |
| 15:39.31 | purl | Fisker: FAIL! |
| 15:42.34 | Kraps | is Martin Sheen doing radio ads for Midas Car Care? |
| 15:45.37 | DWSR | The Illusive Man insuring my car? Win |
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| 15:47.08 | Kraps | thats why i recognized the voice |
| 15:47.17 | Kraps | awesome voice |
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| 15:49.27 | kneeki | Anyone here play a druid know what action ID's are used by the side bar buttons? It doesn't appear to be 26-39 or 96-120 |
| 15:51.57 | DWSR | "side bar"? |
| 15:52.17 | nevcairiel | the side bars are not class dependent |
| 15:52.18 | DWSR | Do you mean the right action bars? |
| 15:53.30 | kneeki | yeah |
| 15:53.35 | kneeki | in the default UI |
| 15:53.39 | DWSR | what nevcairiel said. |
| 15:53.48 | kneeki | well I mean, what are the action ID's it uses? |
| 15:54.11 | kneeki | It's between 1 through 120, no idea which it is. Can't find any useful API's to help me find them either |
| 15:54.50 | DWSR | kneeki: /framestack doesn't tell you which buttons? |
| 15:55.07 | Gagorian | /print ActionButton_GetPagedID(GetMouseFocus()) |
| 15:55.16 | Gagorian | should work if I recall correctly |
| 15:55.19 | kneeki | DWSR: Just tells me the frame name |
| 15:55.28 | DWSR | kneeki: Yeah, the button itself is a frame. |
| 15:55.43 | DWSR | And should be named similar to its ID, though what Gagorian said will also work. |
| 15:55.45 | kneeki | Gagorian: That worked :D |
| 15:56.26 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/big_ben_clock |
| 15:56.35 | Fisker | get the fuck out Kraps |
| 15:56.49 | Kraps | no u |
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| 16:18.54 | DWSR | hey, anyone have a suggestion for a Windows desktop mail client with IMAP and CalDAV support? |
| 16:19.39 | nevcairiel | there are caldav plugins for outlook |
| 16:19.49 | DWSR | I said a client, not a steaming pile of shit. |
| 16:19.50 | DWSR | ;) |
| 16:20.19 | DWSR | Actually, are there? |
| 16:20.28 | nevcairiel | You said windows, i assumed you would be fine with shit |
| 16:20.30 | DWSR | I've kinda been looking at using Outlook again for my mail, but I don't know. |
| 16:20.52 | DWSR | nevcairiel: No, if I had said Mac I would have been fine with shit. |
| 16:21.12 | nevcairiel | alternatively there is always thunderbird |
| 16:21.20 | nevcairiel | its lightning calendar plugin can do caldav |
| 16:22.37 | Kraps | so much computer violence /sigh |
| 16:24.07 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Yeah, I'm not happy with Thunderbird though |
| 16:29.05 | Lopeppeppy | I have conceived a hatred of Firefox 3.6 |
| 16:29.15 | nicoli_s | what fo Lopeppeppy? |
| 16:29.38 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Go Chrom(ium)! |
| 16:33.21 | Lopeppeppy | It's having an issue with our CMS system, and now IT is cockblocking me from informing my users. |
| 16:35.34 | Fisker | cockblocking you? |
| 16:35.37 | Fisker | you don't say? |
| 16:35.55 | Fisker | inappropiate comment tiems |
| 16:36.10 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy knows all about... |
| 16:36.17 | DWSR | stops |
| 16:36.31 | nicoli_s | fisker: sc2? |
| 16:36.47 | Fisker | not yet nicoli_s |
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| 16:38.48 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR. |
| 16:38.53 | cog|work | hai Sixen |
| 16:38.58 | Fisker | moar like issues with our pms system |
| 16:39.00 | Fisker | ooooooooooooooh |
| 16:39.01 | cog|work | RAWR |
| 16:39.09 | Fisker | not that i have one |
| 16:39.25 | cog|work | my pms system is at home with a stomach flu :'( |
| 16:39.36 | Sixen | rawr!~ |
| 16:39.41 | Sixen | hai2u sir cogwheel |
| 16:39.45 | harl | wuff?! |
| 16:39.49 | Sixen | and mister fisker |
| 16:39.49 | Cide | lua> math.log(10^6)/math.log(2) |
| 16:39.54 | lua_bot | Cide: 19.931568569324 |
| 16:40.30 | Lopeppeppy | They don't wnat to support my users, but they won't let me. |
| 16:40.45 | Lopeppeppy | Livid. I hate this political bullshit. |
| 16:40.47 | Lopeppeppy | Hate it. |
| 16:41.06 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: work for the government, it's 1000x worse |
| 16:41.13 | Ackis | <-- still using IE6 |
| 16:41.18 | Ackis | no silverlight |
| 16:41.21 | Ackis | etc |
| 16:41.23 | Ackis | and so forth |
| 16:41.25 | Ackis | and whatnot |
| 16:41.28 | Fisker | The school i interned for a couple of years back was hilarious |
| 16:42.06 | Thunder_Child | dont you mean interred? |
| 16:42.47 | Fisker | 1. They wouldn't spend money on hardware, so our network were still powered some places by hubs(and i mean the backbone here) 2. Just before budget renewals were up they would spend a fuckton of money on hardware(but not new network stuff) 3. Some of their teachers used the network for downloading movies and even porn, which spread malware across the network |
| 16:42.57 | Fisker | We weren't even allowed to tell the teacher to stop lol |
| 16:43.11 | Fisker | The network was down for almost a week because of the hubs |
| 16:43.11 | Kraps | wut |
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| 16:44.17 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:44.53 | Thunder_Child | house |
| 16:45.15 | Fisker | Laundrymat |
| 16:45.41 | Kraps | ACTION STATIONS! |
| 16:45.58 | Ackis | oh Tom, I think you downloaded porn! |
| 16:46.57 | Fisker | Don't you start with me Jon |
| 16:47.01 | Ackis | John |
| 16:47.03 | Ackis | not Jon |
| 16:47.07 | Fisker | Thomas |
| 16:47.09 | Fisker | not Tom |
| 16:47.09 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 16:47.12 | Ackis | Tommy |
| 16:47.15 | Ackis | Timmy? |
| 16:47.21 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 16:47.24 | Ackis | <3 |
| 16:47.36 | Thunder_Child | theres a shocker |
| 16:47.44 | Ackis | Thomas -> Tom != John -> Jon |
| 16:47.51 | Fisker | I disagree |
| 16:47.53 | Ackis | Thomas -> Tom ~= John -> Johnny |
| 16:49.02 | Kraps | Mogras run to the center! |
| 16:49.12 | Gnarfoz | Lee run to the center |
| 16:49.31 | nevcairiel | while speaking of crazy name derivations, I've always wondered how they came up with the John -> Jack thing, it just confuses me :P |
| 16:50.08 | Kraps | WHO DA FUCK WAS DAT?! |
| 16:50.56 | Sixen | But John !-> Jack |
| 16:50.56 | Sixen | o_O |
| 16:51.54 | Lopeppeppy | I'm still so crazy mad that I just can't get anything done. I hate when IT pulls bullshit maneuvers. |
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| 16:53.02 | Lunessa | pulls a bullshit maneuver on a daily basis; at least according to anyone who isn't getting what they want. |
| 16:53.09 | Kraps | offers Lopeppeppy a chillaxative |
| 16:53.09 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 16:53.37 | Sixen | Chillaxative. Clever~ |
| 16:54.00 | Lopeppeppy | It's poltics, Lunessa. They don't support my CMS, I do. When I notify them as a courtesy that Firefox 3.6 has a conflict and I'm going to recommend to users that they not upgrade while it is reserached, they went BALLISTIC that I have no right to do any such thing. |
| 16:54.01 | Lopeppeppy | Unfun. |
| 16:54.22 | Fisker | lack of control annoys IT people i guess |
| 16:54.41 | Fisker | Like that time i were randomly stumbling upon some weird .eml files |
| 16:54.49 | zenzelezz | "Sorry! zenzio is unavailable! May I suggest: zenzio4u, zenziolicious, zenzio_taco, zenzio_pal, i_am_zenzio" |
| 16:54.53 | zenzelezz | yes, zenzio_taco makes sense |
| 16:55.05 | Kaso | html_entity_decode() is the opposite of htmlentities()" i love how php cant even be consistent with the naming of two complimentary functions |
| 16:55.05 | Fisker | And it turns out one of their servers were infected with that worm that made a shitload of those files |
| 16:55.20 | Fisker | Of course i told them and got disciplined for finding a totally public share which apparently wasn't meant to be public |
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| 16:55.30 | Fisker | and didn't contain anything of interest anyway |
| 16:58.29 | Kraps | Sixen: i think my brother-in-law came up with that |
| 16:58.51 | batrick | DWSR: yes? |
| 16:59.07 | DWSR | batrick: Welcome to yesterday. :P |
| 16:59.13 | Sixen | Hehe. |
| 16:59.14 | DWSR | batrick: I can has suggestion? |
| 16:59.18 | batrick | ok |
| 16:59.38 | DWSR | <noun>? synonymous with !g <noun> |
| 16:59.49 | Lopeppeppy | I will gladly give them control, take it all! |
| 16:59.52 | DWSR | where noun is a single word (no whitespace). |
| 16:59.53 | batrick | Cairenn|afk would kill me. |
| 17:00.18 | DWSR | why? |
| 17:00.27 | DWSR | Make it respond in private. |
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| 17:00.51 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 17:00.54 | nevcairiel | that would be so freaking annoying |
| 17:00.55 | Lunessa | Fisker: Yeah, I know what you mean. I got in trouble here for logging into a server I wasn't apparently supposed to have access to - so I could fix something for a professor. All because someone forgot to limit the security groups which could access the machine. |
| 17:00.59 | batrick | i don't like that much either |
| 17:01.08 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Actually, it's really really useful (having it #drupal). |
| 17:01.12 | nevcairiel | first off, how the hell does it know a word is a known? |
| 17:01.15 | nevcairiel | so, i just ask |
| 17:01.16 | nevcairiel | wtf? |
| 17:01.19 | nevcairiel | and it googles? |
| 17:01.37 | nevcairiel | also, whats so hard to use !g :P |
| 17:01.47 | DWSR | nevcairiel: It's not. |
| 17:01.57 | DWSR | nevcairiel: It's for people who don't know about the topic of discussion. |
| 17:02.05 | nevcairiel | batrick: rather fix !g to read the calculator output, too! |
| 17:02.26 | DWSR | batrick: Yeah, supporting google's calc and conversion answers would be nice too, if you don't implement "word?" |
| 17:02.40 | batrick | it reads search results through a AJAX api |
| 17:02.48 | batrick | google calc doesn't work with that |
| 17:02.54 | batrick | anyway |
| 17:02.58 | batrick | that's what !lua is for! |
| 17:03.03 | DWSR | lua> |
| 17:03.05 | DWSR | mkay? |
| 17:03.11 | nevcairiel | lua> 5 USD in ⬠|
| 17:03.11 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '5' |
| 17:03.16 | nevcairiel | doesnt work =( |
| 17:03.30 | DWSR | !g 5 USD in GBP |
| 17:03.39 | DWSR | fail |
| 17:03.42 | batrick | ya i don't think that's useful either |
| 17:04.19 | batrick | 17/02/2010 12:03:30 PM [ERROR] Query to google failed! |
| 17:04.35 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:04.37 | batrick | blame google i haz no fault |
| 17:04.46 | Fisker | you has fault |
| 17:06.26 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I just want to tell users not to upgrade their browsers *yet* while I investigate the issue. Le tragic sigh. I need more rum for this job. |
| 17:06.48 | DWSR | passes Lopeppeppy a bottle. |
| 17:06.49 | Lunessa | There's not enough rum in the world peppy. Seriously. |
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| 17:07.03 | DWSR | It's spiced, Lopeppeppy |
| 17:07.46 | Lopeppeppy | Morgan's is good stuff. |
| 17:08.04 | DWSR | Amen. |
| 17:08.06 | Lopeppeppy | On top of that, my boss is on vacation so my technotard grand boss is trying to deal with the politics. Oooh, fun. |
| 17:08.10 | DWSR | pulls a Captain. |
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| 17:10.11 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: you know if you put "google" into goggle you can break the internet? |
| 17:10.36 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: try that with mysterygoogle.com |
| 17:10.53 | Lopeppeppy | Don't tempt me. |
| 17:12.18 | zenzelezz | tempts Lopeppeppy |
| 17:13.32 | Fisker | i'm spinning around |
| 17:13.51 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: also... Captain Morgan's? |
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| 17:14.24 | Gnarfoz | (and I wonder what kind of "conflict" firefox 3.6 could have with a website that 3.5 doesn't oO) |
| 17:15.18 | Kraps | Gnarfoz: The page cannot be displayed |
| 17:15.37 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: that'd be server-side, tho |
| 17:15.45 | Kraps | mysterygoogle |
| 17:16.20 | Gnarfoz | whoot |
| 17:16.24 | Lopeppeppy | Morgans! |
| 17:16.33 | Gnarfoz | !g mysterygoogle |
| 17:16.44 | Fisker | Gnarfoz btw |
| 17:16.46 | Fisker | you suck |
| 17:16.48 | Fisker | my mouse is awesome |
| 17:16.50 | Fisker | fuck you |
| 17:17.01 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: the "G-Point", right? |
| 17:17.14 | Fisker | (And no the buttons on the side isn't lose or wobbly or whatever) |
| 17:17.26 | Gnarfoz | must be "this mouse is an exhibit" syndrome then |
| 17:17.57 | Kraps | !g mysterygoogle |
| 17:18.03 | DWSR | tempts Lopeppeppy |
| 17:18.11 | DWSR | hands Lopeppeppy another bottle. |
| 17:18.20 | DWSR | Kraps: I think my query broke the bot. |
| 17:18.26 | Lunessa | and apropos of nothing, The White Album is full of awesome and win. |
| 17:18.42 | Fisker | i could break you DWSR |
| 17:18.43 | DWSR | Lunessa: The Beatles' White Album? |
| 17:18.50 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: that didn't answer the question |
| 17:18.56 | Lunessa | DWSR yes. |
| 17:18.57 | kneeki | On the main action buttons, 1 through 12, does a button 'hide' if it's currently empty? |
| 17:19.06 | DWSR | Lunessa: Welcome to....what..60 years ago? :PO |
| 17:19.30 | Kraps | xkcd's tautology comic is win, it got wiki's tautology page locked |
| 17:19.38 | Lunessa | I don't care. :) I picked up a new copy this weekend and I'm enjoying it all over again. Douche-bag. |
| 17:19.42 | DWSR | Kraps: hehe. |
| 17:19.47 | DWSR | Lunessa: :) |
| 17:20.10 | Lopeppeppy | Didn't know there was a question. Sorry. Very angry mood, sending lots of political emails over this crap. |
| 17:20.24 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Here, take a swig. |
| 17:20.40 | Gnarfoz | I thought the best way to deal with politics was to not participate in them? |
| 17:20.52 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Brute force and ignorance is my usual approach. |
| 17:28.09 | DWSR | ~seen Satrina |
| 17:28.11 | purl | satrina <n=satrina@bas10-ottawa23-1088819296.dsl.bell.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 477d 21h 34m 37s ago, saying: 'weird, since I've been committing as 3.0.beta.XX all last week, and it hates 3.0.0 and v3.0.0 this week'. |
| 17:29.30 | Kraps | 477 days :/ |
| 17:32.10 | Kraps | http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Wikimedia_Foundation_announces_$2_million_grant_from_Google |
| 17:33.24 | nevcairiel | google should just buy them |
| 17:33.26 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 17:34.04 | Kraps | they would eventually put ads in |
| 17:35.26 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: I was asking if "Morgan's" was the same as "Captain Morgan's". I know I've tried something called the latter, but I'm not well enough versed in drinks to tell if they're the sam |
| 17:35.26 | zenzelezz | +e |
| 17:35.47 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, Captain Morgans = Morgans = awesome rum. |
| 17:36.09 | Lunessa | It's ok. Not my favorite, but it'll do. |
| 17:36.45 | nevcairiel | i dont think i've ever had that rum |
| 17:36.57 | Fisker | booooooooooooooooooooh |
| 17:37.12 | nevcairiel | we usually get havana club, if thats even popular in other countrys =P |
| 17:39.17 | zenzelezz | I found Captain Morgan's pretty nice; slightly mixed with... whatever it was |
| 17:39.51 | nevcairiel | coke and lime juice? makes cuba libre :P |
| 17:40.57 | zenzelezz | Coke, that was it. Might have been lime too, but I don't recall |
| 17:40.58 | Lunessa | I usually drink Meyer's Dark, but Baccardi doesn't suck either. |
| 17:41.28 | Lunessa | Coke + Rum + lime = Cuba Libre, Coke + Rum = Rum and Coke. |
| 17:41.52 | zenzelezz | I wasn't the one mixing, so I can't say |
| 17:42.04 | nevcairiel | that can be risky, not even knowing whats in there ;) |
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| 17:42.31 | Lunessa | I am a certified bar tender. I went to school for it and everything. |
| 17:42.37 | Lunessa | And I make a hell of a martini. |
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| 17:43.30 | nevcairiel | man, now i'm probably buying rum next time i'm shopping |
| 17:44.32 | Lopeppeppy | Morgans! |
| 17:44.34 | Lopeppeppy | You know you want it. |
| 17:44.46 | nevcairiel | I've never even seen it here |
| 17:45.03 | nevcairiel | would probably have to go to some bigger shop |
| 17:46.27 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: It's good, but if you don't like spiced rum you might not like it much. |
| 17:46.29 | Lopeppeppy | Woot, just wrote a nastygram to my HR about the mail order prescription fiasco. I feel better about the cockblocking already. |
| 17:46.36 | Lopeppeppy | When you have a bad day at work, kick the cat. |
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| 17:48.21 | zenzelezz | <nevcairiel> that can be risky, not even knowing whats in there ;) <-- indeed; but this was my brother, I trust him |
| 17:48.40 | Lunessa | A cat by any other name would still be a sneaky bastard that craps behind the couch. |
| 17:48.41 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: how could you say that? |
| 17:49.16 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
| 17:49.24 | Shadowed | Adys: message me whatever it is, class |
| 17:49.33 | Lopeppeppy | In the case, the "cat" was HR. |
| 17:49.45 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: My father refers to that situation as "accountability without authority." |
| 17:49.48 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/23279927930-player-owned-houses--dev-status.html |
| 17:49.48 | Lopeppeppy | Do you know the mail order place informed me that I have to pay for the shipment of meds they sent to the wrong address? |
| 17:50.20 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, that's my orginal political problem. I'm accountable for user support, without the authority to do it as I see fit. |
| 17:50.37 | alestane | In other words, you can't make it work, but it's your fault when it doesn't. |
| 17:50.45 | Ackis | any aussies here? |
| 17:50.50 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Letter bombs seem to be in order. |
| 17:50.59 | Lopeppeppy | I can't force them to allow me to make it work the best way I can. |
| 17:51.23 | nevcairiel | Ackis: i think its pretty late for them right now already |
| 17:52.09 | Ackis | nevcairiel: they have the one time that confuses the heck out of me, but I wasn't sure, some are night owls |
| 17:52.21 | nevcairiel | its 5am in sydney |
| 17:52.43 | nevcairiel | give WobWork a few hours, and he'll show up ;) |
| 17:52.50 | Ackis | lol |
| 17:54.02 | Lopeppeppy | grinds her teeth. What a day. |
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| 17:55.14 | zenzelezz | huggles Lopeppeppy |
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| 18:01.08 | theorbtwo | Lopeppeppy: Where are you? |
| 18:01.38 | theorbtwo | Law and postal regulations are apparently pretty clear -- stuff mailed to you that you did not order is a gift. |
| 18:01.53 | theorbtwo | knows this because of the whole cuecat junk. |
| 18:02.09 | batrick | interesting |
| 18:02.41 | Fisker | brohug? |
| 18:04.54 | alestane | theorbtwo: However, stuff you did ask for which was mailed to the wrong address my not be a gift. |
| 18:05.11 | theorbtwo | Oh! |
| 18:05.21 | theorbtwo | misinterpreted the problem. |
| 18:05.44 | Lopeppeppy | theorbtwo, in theory my insurance company asked for it, so it may not be a gift. |
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| 18:06.12 | Lopeppeppy | My HR lady is now nagging the mail order people to pay for both shipping fees and both copayments. :) She's a dragon. |
| 18:06.29 | alestane | RAWR |
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| 18:09.56 | Arrowmaster | if they put the wrong address on it and it was delivered to the address on the label then it should clearly be their fault |
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| 18:13.36 | alestane | The interesting thing as that at one point this would have been the right address, but hasn't been since well before she had to work with them. Why are they using it? |
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| 18:27.20 | Fisker | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23279938001&sid=5000 <-haha |
| 18:27.24 | Fisker | I think starcraft is a pretty cool guy. He kills zerg and doesn't afraid of anything. |
| 18:27.27 | Dagmar | Next time, don't mail order a new liver from Russia |
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| 18:30.56 | Lopeppeppy | And it's not the address I confirmed on the phone with them several times, either. :) Nor the one they sent my notice mails to. |
| 18:31.03 | Lopeppeppy | So figure that shit out, if you can. I just boggle. |
| 18:31.14 | Lopeppeppy | Dagmar, I promise never to order a russian bridal liver again. |
| 18:31.23 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Did your insurance company use that as your mailing address at some point? |
| 18:31.26 | Dagmar | Good plan |
| 18:32.36 | Lopeppeppy | Not that I'm aware of, alestane. |
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| 18:33.09 | Lopeppeppy | It was a PO box I rented for dealing with TKFT. He soon ferreted out my residential address so it was a moot point and I ditched it. |
| 18:33.09 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: tell them your insurance payments will go to a different account number until they fix their address |
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| 18:39.04 | Fisker | STOP TROLLING ME BLIZZARD ;_; |
| 18:39.58 | Lopeppeppy | That comes from HR zenzelezz, not me. I don't have leverage. That's why I sent my HR dragon after them in the first place. |
| 18:40.13 | Lopeppeppy | SHE has leverage. |
| 18:41.09 | Fisker | HRH zenzelezz? |
| 18:41.14 | Fisker | that would be awesome |
| 18:42.55 | Ackis | I wonder if I can sell a SC2 beta invite? |
| 18:44.09 | Fisker | you can give it to me for free |
| 18:44.09 | Ackis | you have one already :P |
| 18:44.09 | Ackis | we went through this like a year ago |
| 18:44.09 | Fisker | not yet :( |
| 18:44.09 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, I highly doubt you could do that. |
| 18:48.34 | Fisker | stop it Ackis |
| 18:49.53 | Ackis | "Doing a quick bit of math, that means that Blizzard sold 220,000 Pandaren Monks between the release in November and December 31st. That's some impressive numbers right there." |
| 18:50.13 | Ackis | blizz made 1.1 million off of the panderan monk |
| 18:50.26 | Fisker | sauce |
| 18:50.43 | Ackis | kokatu or w/e |
| 18:50.45 | Fisker | and sc2 beta |
| 18:50.50 | Fisker | i need it |
| 18:50.53 | Fisker | i can't live without it |
| 18:51.06 | Ackis | dangles his "sc2 beta" in front of Fisker |
| 18:51.16 | alestane | Ackis: Is that after donations? |
| 18:51.34 | Fisker | duh alestane |
| 18:51.42 | Fisker | basic math escapes you? |
| 18:52.03 | Ackis | alestane: 220k * $10 == 2.2 million / 50% == 1.1 million |
| 18:52.14 | alestane | guts Fisker and watches his intestines escape him. |
| 18:52.31 | Fisker | they're not going anywhere |
| 18:52.33 | alestane | I was more trying to remember what their donation policy was with regards to sales. |
| 18:52.48 | Ackis | I wonder what they made off of lil Kt, 100% of him went to blizz |
| 18:52.49 | batrick | Ackis: that'd be 4.4 million |
| 18:53.00 | alestane | batrick: I wasn't going to say anything. |
| 18:53.07 | Ackis | :P |
| 18:53.12 | batrick | hehe |
| 18:53.16 | Ackis | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1957/ |
| 18:53.18 | Fisker | batrick atleast he made an attempt |
| 18:53.21 | Ackis | that comic is ironic |
| 18:53.22 | Ackis | because |
| 18:53.29 | Fisker | alestane* |
| 18:53.31 | Ackis | I remembered today that I saw a kid get hit by a car when I was younger |
| 18:53.39 | Lopeppeppy | y'all keep assuming pure profit, it makes me giggle. |
| 18:54.17 | Fisker | who said anything about pure profit? |
| 18:54.32 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: when dealing with millions, I don't concern myself with the salary of someone who spends a week or two designing it + the ease of implementation |
| 18:54.40 | Fisker | And it's a digital product |
| 18:54.54 | Fisker | So costs are almost one-time and almost non-existant |
| 18:56.08 | Dagmar | Impressive... Allod's _doesn't_ suck. it's combat is damn slow tho |
| 18:56.39 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, you make assumptions, it's cute! |
| 18:56.52 | alestane | Since I don't think it has to be downloaded (since the purchase is delivered within your client), bandwidth isn't much of a consideration. While the cost of delivering a monk pet to someone's account is likely non-zero, it's probably a trivial fraction of the revenue. |
| 18:57.00 | Fisker | no i don't Lopeppeppy |
| 18:57.01 | Fisker | you did |
| 18:57.18 | Dagmar | More importantly, they're monks so they don't eat much and have very few salon appointments. |
| 18:57.26 | Lopeppeppy | I'm simply refusing to assume pure profit, I'm not going to judge either way. |
| 18:57.38 | Fisker | Noone ever stated pure profit |
| 18:57.54 | Fisker | When you state how many money you make each money do you then write 0$? |
| 18:58.08 | Lopeppeppy | Was that last sentence english? |
| 18:58.11 | Fisker | Because you got taxes, then you got living expenses, then you got investments, etc. |
| 18:58.17 | Dagmar | I write "no moneys" in the blan |
| 18:58.18 | Dagmar | k |
| 18:58.19 | Lopeppeppy | Anyway Fisker, I give up. You win the internets. |
| 18:58.22 | Fisker | i do |
| 18:59.07 | alestane | It's always depressing to me, the number of people who get considered the winners of arguments simply because they exhausted everyone else's willingness to argue. |
| 18:59.24 | Fisker | alestane failure to argue is not my problem |
| 18:59.38 | Fisker | She never attempted to, so i had absolutely nothing to do with it |
| 18:59.44 | alestane | Democracy: Not government by the people, but government by the last people to shut up. |
| 19:00.09 | Lopeppeppy | pretty much. I have no spoons today for even friendly debates. |
| 19:00.37 | Fisker | There's a saying that goes: "Don't start what you can't finish" |
| 19:02.04 | Ackis | gives Lopeppeppy a spoon and a hug! |
| 19:02.31 | Fisker | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=26242&parentCategoryId&pageNumber=1&categoryId=3633 |
| 19:02.34 | Fisker | spoons Ackis |
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| 19:09.58 | Ackis | holy shit: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.pawnation.com/media/2010/02/crabzilla-large-crab-240ds021610.jpg |
| 19:10.06 | Ackis | I got that from Fisker spooning me |
| 19:10.14 | alestane | That's a spider crab for you. |
| 19:10.47 | Fisker | sweet |
| 19:10.54 | Fisker | beta yet Ackis ? |
| 19:11.22 | Ackis | yeah Fisker I sold my 2 SC2 codes |
| 19:11.27 | Ackis | got $1.1 million each |
| 19:11.47 | Fisker | :( |
| 19:11.55 | Fisker | Was that before or after tax? |
| 19:12.02 | Fisker | And how much money did you spend aquiring the codes? |
| 19:12.06 | Ackis | after tax |
| 19:12.19 | Ackis | technically I spent about $4k getting the two codes |
| 19:12.25 | Fisker | Because maybe you only got 2.199990 million dollars |
| 19:12.31 | Fisker | ok |
| 19:12.40 | Fisker | it would be naive of me to think it was pure profit |
| 19:12.49 | cog|work | anyone with strong algorithm skills mind taking a look at: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2283612/can-i-find-all-combinations-not-really-combinations-more-efficiently ? |
| 19:12.50 | Fisker | but also incredibly cute |
| 19:12.51 | Kraps | so is that on or off the books? |
| 19:12.56 | cog|work | Shirik: ^ |
| 19:13.05 | Fisker | What about interest from your bank |
| 19:13.09 | Fisker | Did you take that into account? |
| 19:13.23 | Fisker | or investments? |
| 19:13.43 | Kraps | are you giving 10% to charity? |
| 19:15.41 | Shirik | is that yours cog|work? |
| 19:15.42 | Dagmar | cog: TBH, IRL coders tend to sort the results to eliminate different orderings of the same items, and then just walk the space, storing the results in a hash, then dump the hash keys. |
| 19:15.47 | cog|work | Shirik: yeah |
| 19:15.53 | Shirik | doing it wrong imo |
| 19:15.55 | Shirik | l2oop |
| 19:16.49 | Shirik | but |
| 19:16.50 | Shirik | anyway |
| 19:17.01 | Shirik | assuming you want to do it this way, you only want one value as a result, right? |
| 19:17.03 | Dagmar | I'd also just be sticking in two aces. Ace-high and ace-low. |
| 19:17.10 | Shirik | i.e., the highest thing that's not greater than 21 |
| 19:17.32 | cog|work | Shirik: no, i'd still like the full list of possible values. I'd rather have a solution to the more general problem, tbqh |
| 19:17.39 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:17.49 | Shirik | ok well |
| 19:17.51 | Shirik | Still |
| 19:17.55 | Shirik | assume all aces are 11 |
| 19:18.02 | Shirik | then build a count of "optional -10s" |
| 19:18.19 | Shirik | i.e., the total number of aces |
| 19:18.21 | Fisker | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23279928014&sid=5000 <-hello lawsuit |
| 19:18.46 | Shirik | your solution is the maximum then each -10 |
| 19:18.54 | Shirik | so if you have 2 aces, you get max, max - 10, and max - 10 * 2 |
| 19:18.55 | Fisker | -10 before or after tax? |
| 19:19.03 | Shirik | make sense? |
| 19:19.20 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 19:19.34 | Fisker | I don't have to make sense |
| 19:21.00 | zenzelezz | "An iPhone insurance carrier says that four in six claims are suspicious, and is worse when a new model appears on the market. 'Supercover Insurance is alleging that many iPhone owners are deliberately smashing their devices and filing false claims in order to upgrade to the latest model. The gadget insurance company told Sky News Sunday that it saw a 50-percent rise in claims during the month Apple launched the latest version, th |
| 19:21.00 | zenzelezz | e iPhone 3GS.'" |
| 19:21.05 | zenzelezz | fanbois |
| 19:21.31 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Gosh I guess they'll just have to raise rates to cover their losses. |
| 19:22.15 | Shirik | that's why you use a deductable that's greater than the cost of replacement |
| 19:22.20 | Fisker | naw Dagmar |
| 19:22.22 | Shirik | verizon deals with this easily... |
| 19:22.24 | Fisker | that's not how insurance work |
| 19:22.27 | Fisker | 1. collect money |
| 19:22.30 | Fisker | 2. Don't do shit |
| 19:22.31 | Fisker | 3. Profit |
| 19:22.46 | Dagmar | Fisker: Well, obviously they're having a problem because they're actually covering people's losses. |
| 19:22.54 | Fisker | true |
| 19:22.57 | Lunessa | 4. Fight anyone in court who ever tries to get you to do anything that even remotely looks like paying a claim. |
| 19:23.23 | Kraps | Fisker: his name is wangsofliberty, what did you expect? |
| 19:23.36 | Dagmar | If they did like car insurance companies, and put people who dropped their car into a lake, stepped on their car, or just drove their car once they left the dealership into higher rate brackets, this problem would be solved. |
| 19:24.06 | Dagmar | Especially novel is the concept of the "You haven't given us money in awhile" double-premium rate |
| 19:24.38 | Dagmar | If you buy a phone and haven't had insurance on it in the last year, you get to pay double. |
| 19:25.01 | Dagmar | Just to make up for the time lost without a phone. |
| 19:25.37 | Dagmar | After all, it's not the insurance company's fault you live in a cave, cook over a fire you made with matches, and didn't have a phone last year. |
| 19:26.05 | Dagmar | (If you think I'm joking, call your car insurance company and ask what your rate would be if you were a perfect driver who simply didn't have insurance before calling) |
| 19:26.28 | Lunessa | Dagmar: You have matches? |
| 19:27.02 | Dagmar | No, I have a microwave and had both a phone and a car (and a scooter) last year |
| 19:27.18 | Lunessa | Dagmar: humor fail. |
| 19:27.51 | Lunessa | And I know all about the "Pay us more because you didn't pay us at some point in the past" penalty for car insurance. |
| 19:27.52 | Dagmar | Well, more unamusing were the financials from insurance companies the year following them getting a law passed in TN that made insurance mandatory |
| 19:28.07 | Dagmar | They acted like they were completely astonished about where all that darn money came from. |
| 19:28.26 | Dagmar | That's kind of a dead giveaway that the actuarial tables were bunk. |
| 19:28.26 | alestane | Important to grasping the discrepancies here is understanding that the purpose of current insurance companies is not providing protection, but rather maximizing shareholder value. |
| 19:28.54 | Fisker | It's awesome though |
| 19:28.57 | Dagmar | I think they should be regulated just like every other type of bookmaker. |
| 19:29.04 | Fisker | There was this old lady that had been robbed 3 times or something like that |
| 19:29.14 | Lunessa | alestane: That's what insurance companies have always been about. |
| 19:29.14 | Fisker | On the 3rd time the insurance company cancelled her policy |
| 19:29.22 | Fisker | there should be laws against that |
| 19:30.31 | Lopeppeppy | Insurance companies won't cover homes in hurricane areas anymore, there's some big one pulling out of the state of Florida entirely. Profit. *sigh* |
| 19:30.58 | alestane | Dagmar: In the "Wheel of Time" books, they mention that the Bookmakers' Guild will wager with shipowners about whether or not a cargo will arrive safely. |
| 19:31.39 | Lopeppeppy | Lloyd's of London is much more of a "wagering" type of insurer. Once upon a last-I-heard, they were the only company who would insure Jackie Chan (who does all of his own stunts). |
| 19:32.05 | alestane | So in that case, the insurers literally do start their existence as bookies. |
| 19:32.20 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 19:32.23 | Fisker | give me beta or give me death |
| 19:33.15 | alestane | Careful Fisker. |
| 19:33.16 | Dagmar | Insurers _are_ bookies. |
| 19:33.31 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Lloyds of London uses shareholders who are subject to "unlimited liability" to make up their pool to pay claims. Individuals who back ventures that fail and get paid out lose. Not Lloyds. |
| 19:33.50 | cog|work | Shirik: l2fp imo |
| 19:34.02 | alestane | And any good bookmaker knows how to set his odds so that no matter who loses, he still wins. |
| 19:34.03 | Shirik | function pointer? feature point? |
| 19:34.03 | Dagmar | The only difference is that they claim to be insurers, instead of gamblers. |
| 19:34.09 | cog|work | functional programming |
| 19:34.16 | Shirik | no ty |
| 19:34.20 | cog|work | yes plx |
| 19:34.32 | Shirik | no is ok, I like what little sanity I have left |
| 19:34.40 | cog|work | you call oop sane? |
| 19:34.41 | Shirik | I have to use lisp for my theorem prover |
| 19:34.48 | Shirik | I do, as well as aop |
| 19:35.01 | cog|work | don't blame lisp's failings on the paradigm imo |
| 19:35.19 | Fisker | Ackis wouldn't kill me alestane |
| 19:35.30 | Shirik | same diff |
| 19:35.31 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa: So, they are mediators for the betting? :) It's still neat. |
| 19:35.38 | Shirik | unless you call Lua a functional language |
| 19:35.45 | alestane | Shirik: It can be used thus. |
| 19:35.48 | Shirik | I know |
| 19:35.51 | cog|work | Shirik: no, not really (same diff or Lua) |
| 19:35.53 | Shirik | but I don't call it a functional language |
| 19:35.57 | alestane | Scheme is cited as one of its major influences. |
| 19:36.06 | Shirik | {{fact}} |
| 19:36.06 | Lunessa | Yeah - as long as you never have to pay out, you and Lloyds make a bundle. When you have to pay out... you could lose it all trying to meet the claim. |
| 19:36.21 | Shirik | Don't get me wrong I use Lua's functional programming aspects a lot |
| 19:36.27 | Shirik | but a purely functional language? no ty |
| 19:36.33 | cog|work | didn't say pur |
| 19:36.36 | cog|work | pure* |
| 19:36.41 | nevcairiel | throws F# at Shirik |
| 19:36.48 | cog|work | had F# in mind |
| 19:36.51 | Shirik | throws a g-flat at nevcairiel |
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| 19:37.20 | alestane | Is F# related to C#? |
| 19:37.20 | nevcairiel | I wish i had time to get into F# a bit, just out of curiousity |
| 19:37.31 | nevcairiel | in the sense that its both made by MS |
| 19:37.35 | cog|work | Shirik: functional programming is more about thinking about the problem differently than the choice of language imo |
| 19:37.49 | Shirik | I choose to think about the problem in objects |
| 19:37.51 | cog|work | alestane: it's Microsoft's .Net entry into functional programming language |
| 19:37.56 | Shirik | it makes sense and is very elegant if you know wtf you're doing |
| 19:38.05 | Shirik | problem: 90% of people that do OOP don't know wtf they're doing |
| 19:38.14 | Shirik | probably more |
| 19:38.18 | Fisker | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/pianosdr/FriendOnline1.jpg |
| 19:38.18 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 19:38.23 | Shirik | Primarily, I blame Java for that |
| 19:38.32 | alestane | Shirik: Who were you talking about before who was writing entire applications in UML? |
| 19:38.38 | nevcairiel | Shirik: 90% of pople don't know wtf they're doing - generalization is good |
| 19:38.41 | alestane | Some organization like the FAA. |
| 19:38.48 | cog|work | Shirik: by choosing to think about problems in objects, you're crippling yourself imo |
| 19:38.49 | Shirik | alestane: That's OOP done right, tbh |
| 19:38.59 | cog|work | FP handles certain things much more elegantly |
| 19:39.11 | Shirik | cog|work: Then use aop :) |
| 19:39.20 | nevcairiel | I cant stand designing a app in UML before i write any code |
| 19:39.32 | Shirik | Then you don't understand UML |
| 19:39.33 | nevcairiel | i adapt my models way too often to compensate for implementation needs |
| 19:39.34 | Shirik | quite simple |
| 19:39.38 | alestane | Right, but who? I have a student telling me that "no-one in the real world uses drag-and-drop development" and I'd like to throw him a counter-example. |
| 19:39.55 | Shirik | alestane: I'd have to look it up again, I'm not sure off the top of my head |
| 19:39.56 | Shirik | But |
| 19:40.07 | Shirik | Boeing does for sure (though that wasn't the example I used) |
| 19:40.10 | Shirik | not everywhere, but they do |
| 19:40.12 | nevcairiel | a rough model of the app? sure, but down to every class? no way, those come as needed |
| 19:40.17 | Dagmar | alestane: There's drag-n-drop IDEs |
| 19:40.18 | Dagmar | ? |
| 19:40.27 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Again, you have gotten ingrained into your head the common misbelief that UML is class diagrams |
| 19:40.35 | Shirik | UML HAS class diagrams, but it is not a class diagram |
| 19:40.54 | cog|work | http://blogs.msdn.com/chrsmith/archive/2008/11/01/f-elevator-pitch.aspx |
| 19:40.58 | nevcairiel | work flow diagrams are rather useless, since they are usually painfully obvious :P |
| 19:41.12 | Shirik | UML done properly starts at a much higher level and should be easy to manipulate with a vertical transform |
| 19:41.21 | Dagmar | I suspect something like Glade (a UI designer) is what you're on about |
| 19:41.24 | Dagmar | Maybe |
| 19:41.25 | Shirik | in any regard, I prefer SysML over UML really |
| 19:41.33 | alestane | Dagmar: My class is doing prototyping in GameMaker, and he persists in ignoring the "snap-together" actions in favor of building everything out of hand-written GML code blocks (written abominally). |
| 19:42.10 | Dagmar | alestane: Shit like that is how you produce a game using cutting edge technologies from five years ago |
| 19:42.27 | alestane | And as I've tried to explain that he's paying for that with lack of results and additional time spent debugging, he's stubbornly resisted migrating his development. |
| 19:42.32 | Dagmar | He's broken if he can't grasp leveraging existing code against new problems. |
| 19:42.38 | Dagmar | Drop him in the nearest trash bin. |
| 19:42.59 | alestane | Even though the other students are well into level design while he's still trying to make his character jump correctly. |
| 19:43.20 | Dagmar | alestane: Tell him that in the real world, on the Internet, he's got no excuse for being such an arrogant prick as to think he's the only person who can code something optimally. |
| 19:43.28 | Dagmar | Cite Shirik. ;) |
| 19:44.01 | alestane | I even refactored his code so he'd have something to start from, and rather than use the tested, functional code, he retyped it all into his own file, mangling the programming and introducing about a dozen bugs that hadn't been there before. |
| 19:44.06 | Shirik | alestane: Tell him if he tried that shit at boeing he'd be fired in less than half a day |
| 19:44.12 | Cide | so, is the sc2 beta alive? does anyone know? |
| 19:44.20 | Shirik | From someone who has worked from them |
| 19:44.20 | Cide | s/alive/live/ |
| 19:44.44 | Fisker | it is Cide |
| 19:44.50 | Cide | are you sure? |
| 19:44.54 | Fisker | kinda |
| 19:45.01 | Fisker | people are posting but blues keep deleting it |
| 19:45.05 | Cide | lol |
| 19:45.08 | Fisker | someone posted a picture of a bug |
| 19:45.08 | Dagmar | alestane: He's basically betting that what he will write will be better than anything currently available. The accuracty of that tends to vary a bit, but when you take the scale of all the people on the internet into account, it's vanishingly small that it's even close to correct. Big fish little pond time is over for him now. |
| 19:45.09 | Fisker | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/pianosdr/FriendOnline1.jpg |
| 19:45.10 | Cide | why would they quiet people down? |
| 19:45.15 | Fisker | dunno |
| 19:45.20 | Cide | they've said they would publicly announce the start I thought |
| 19:45.27 | Fisker | might just be blue trolling |
| 19:45.27 | alestane | He says he enjoys the process more this way. I've been trying to tell him that as long as he emphasizes enjoying the process over getting results, he'll be wholly unemployable. |
| 19:45.34 | Fisker | but i don't know why they would post an image |
| 19:45.38 | Cide | ya, same |
| 19:45.40 | Dagmar | alestane: Or he'll get a job in security software design. |
| 19:45.45 | Cide | strange |
| 19:45.45 | Fisker | yeah Cide that's what they said with WotLK as well |
| 19:45.55 | Cide | I thought they did :P |
| 19:45.58 | Cide | oh well |
| 19:46.00 | Fisker | Instead i got spammed and trolled by thousands of retards not acknowledging the info |
| 19:46.05 | Dagmar | If he wants to obsess over every little detail, and can actually do it correctly, there's room for him in the IT security field. |
| 19:46.07 | Fisker | and the beta was never officially acknowledged on the EU forums |
| 19:46.20 | cog|work | Shirik: http://lorgonblog.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!701679AD17B6D310!511.entry?wa=wsignin1.0&sa=706213394 |
| 19:46.41 | Cide | guess we'll see |
| 19:46.41 | Dagmar | For every other field, you leverage existing code against the project and merely fill in the gaps with your own, or you go hngry. |
| 19:46.42 | Shirik | I will read that sometime in the future |
| 19:46.46 | Cide | no invite for me so far anyway t_t |
| 19:46.47 | Dagmar | s/hngry/hungry/; |
| 19:47.13 | Dagmar | Fisker: So for those of us who don't have a beta key, what difference does it make |
| 19:47.18 | alestane | Dagmar: Not yet. His grasp of sntax is abominable and his sense of maintainability is non-existent. |
| 19:47.30 | Shirik | alestane: That statement summed it up well |
| 19:47.34 | Shirik | (14:45:17) (+alestane) He says he enjoys the process more this way. I've been trying to tell him that as long as he emphasizes enjoying the process over getting results, he'll be wholly unemployable. |
| 19:47.49 | Shirik | If you produce unmaintainable code, nobody will take you unless you want to make $20k/yr |
| 19:47.57 | Dagmar | About the only thing hysteric "OMG SC2 BETA IS UP" chatter on the forums will do is tell all the scammers it's time to start their engines on the "Get your SC2 beta key by clicking here and entering your Battle.net credentials" |
| 19:48.00 | Fisker | what do you mean Dagmar ? |
| 19:48.16 | alestane | I gave him beautifully formatted, functional code and in an hour he transformed it into an unintelligible mess. |
| 19:48.28 | Dagmar | alestane: Then tell him you're the grown-up and occasionally he's going to have to deal with the fact that SOME of them do actually know more than he does |
| 19:48.31 | Shirik | did you tell him it was an unintelligible mess? |
| 19:48.38 | cog|work | so i take it the blizzcon 08 beta keys weren't for SC2? :'( |
| 19:48.47 | Dagmar | alestane: I started coding when I was 11, and it was a LONG time before I actually found someone better at it than me. College, in fact. |
| 19:48.55 | Dagmar | He needs to come to terms with that. |
| 19:49.00 | Shirik | At that point I would stop being nice to him. I would say to him straight up, if you keep this up, you aren't going to get very far in this field |
| 19:49.04 | alestane | Sadly, this class is not really a class about programming style and I simply don't have time to teach him what he needs to know. |
| 19:49.12 | Dagmar | alestane: Beat it into him. |
| 19:49.14 | Fisker | cog|work even if keys are sent out yet, they'll slowly trickle out |
| 19:49.15 | Dagmar | heh |
| 19:49.20 | Shirik | Don't teach him anything, just tell him "you're going to be useless if you keep this up" |
| 19:49.27 | Dagmar | Or just flat out tell him, "little pond time is over". |
| 19:49.32 | Shirik | he's obviously refusing to listen to you |
| 19:49.34 | cog|work | Fisker: you fill me with hope |
| 19:49.38 | cog|work | at least i think that's hope |
| 19:49.49 | Shirik | stop wasting your and his time. If he doesn't want to listen, fine |
| 19:49.54 | Shirik | he'll learn his lesson one way or another |
| 19:50.19 | Dagmar | If he can't grasp the how of when to leverage existing code libraries, he'll fail the class, and it'll be an _honest_ fail |
| 19:50.19 | Lopeppeppy | Now you know for next semester to update your syllabi to include a clause on assignments being legible. :) |
| 19:50.32 | Dagmar | It's part of not sucking as a coder knowing when to recycle code |
| 19:50.37 | alestane | Now, if I get him in GD410, "Game Engines and Production," I will absolutely work on either correcting his style or destroying him in the process. |
| 19:51.09 | Dagmar | On a side note, how the hell can he not make something jump correctly... *shakes head* |
| 19:51.36 | Dagmar | "I write everything myself" is not a "style" |
| 19:51.44 | Dagmar | It's a declaration of godhood. |
| 19:51.49 | Dagmar | See also DJB |
| 19:52.00 | nevcairiel | Its a declaration of stupidity |
| 19:52.31 | nevcairiel | And i thought programmers are lazy by definition |
| 19:52.31 | Dagmar | That too. |
| 19:52.40 | nevcairiel | so re-using code would fit perfectly into that |
| 19:52.49 | Dagmar | nevcariel: All the more reasons why one who isn't constructively lazy is *doomed* |
| 19:52.55 | alestane | Dagmar: When he first tried it, he set a global variable (called "global.taco") to 20 when the jump key was pressed. While global.taco was positive, he decremented it every frame and moved the sprite up some distance. When it hit zero, he replaced the object with another one that was moving downward. |
| 19:52.56 | nevcairiel | ~lazyness |
| 19:53.02 | alestane | ~laziness |
| 19:53.03 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 19:53.07 | nevcairiel | bah :) |
| 19:53.21 | Dagmar | alestane: Never heard of vectors at all, has he |
| 19:53.23 | haste | ~hubris |
| 19:53.24 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 19:53.47 | Dagmar | That's the thick way of doing 1980's style pyramidal jumps |
| 19:53.56 | alestane | Considering that GameMaker has built-in attributes for directional speed and acceleration, no, he has no clue. |
| 19:54.55 | alestane | Even in code, it's as simple as "vspeed = -10; gravity = 1; gravity_direction = 270;" |
| 19:55.30 | Dagmar | Jumpman Jr. didn't do it as poorly as what the kid sounds like he's doing |
| 19:55.48 | Lunessa | alestane: When the student refuses to learn, sometimes you just have to fail them. |
| 19:56.09 | alestane | He'll probably get a barely passing grade in this class...assuming that he does his game pitch. |
| 19:56.09 | Fisker | haha |
| 19:56.30 | Fisker | I just found the person who posted that sc2 screenshot |
| 19:56.32 | Fisker | he's on steam |
| 19:56.38 | Fisker | got blizzard employees friended |
| 19:56.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: pong |
| 19:56.49 | Shirik | you |
| 19:56.52 | alestane | But since he maintains that he "can't do written work", I don't see him completing that one, either. |
| 19:56.54 | Shirik | I had to figure out GPG all on my own last night |
| 19:57.02 | ScytheBlade1 | oh poor Shirik |
| 19:57.08 | ScytheBlade1 | basic crypto is hard |
| 19:57.15 | Shirik | someone sent me an encrypted email and I tried to read it on my blackberry |
| 19:57.19 | Shirik | and I was like "wtf is this shit" |
| 19:57.22 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:57.23 | alestane | And he holds that he shouldn't need written communication skills if all he wants to do is program. |
| 19:57.24 | Shirik | When I finally opened it in my computer it made sense |
| 19:57.30 | ScytheBlade1 | that won't work |
| 19:57.33 | alestane | I should really just throw him out of the program. |
| 19:57.35 | Lopeppeppy | He's pretty damn wrong, poor thing. |
| 19:57.43 | Shirik | but then I had to manually craft a response, because it wasn't a email response he wanted |
| 19:58.06 | Shirik | But I eventually figured it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Avraham&diff=prev&oldid=344584567 |
| 19:59.52 | kneeki | Anyone know how I could go about having all empty action buttons (1-12) be showing without causing taint? |
| 20:00.02 | Dagmar | alestane: On those two counts I wouldn't dump him, but I *would* sit him down and say "Look man, you're not just a little wrong on both these things... You're *entirely* wrong and it's a really major issue. Perhaps this field is *not* for you." |
| 20:00.11 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, it was just `gpg -a -e -s file` right? |
| 20:00.19 | Shirik | that's what I ended up doing |
| 20:00.24 | Shirik | for encrypt & sign |
| 20:00.39 | alestane | "If you sincerely intend to pursue this as a career, you will need to completely revise your priorities." |
| 20:01.03 | Dagmar | Yeah, you absolutely _have_ to be able to document. |
| 20:01.19 | Dagmar | If you can't document, whether or not you can code becomes completely irrelevant. |
| 20:01.22 | Ackis | Fisker: http://starcraft.incgamers.com/blog/comments/how-to-download-the-starcraft-2-beta-client/ |
| 20:02.04 | Fisker | old Ackis |
| 20:02.10 | Fisker | i found the guy who's playing SC2 |
| 20:02.18 | Shirik | in the end, all you have to please is the higher ups |
| 20:02.20 | Fisker | But it looks like as soon as i friended him on steam he went offline lol |
| 20:02.25 | Shirik | and to be honest, they have no idea how good your CODE is |
| 20:02.29 | Fisker | he knew it was up |
| 20:02.39 | Shirik | they know how much time it's taking you to adapt to new things, how easily others can understand it, etc. |
| 20:02.43 | Shirik | THAT'S what they care about |
| 20:03.03 | Shirik | and if you can't document, and can't produce maintainable code, they WILL find out and drop you for someone that writes code worse but maintains it better |
| 20:03.12 | Ackis | Fisker: he was playing SC2 on steam? |
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| 20:03.37 | Fisker | no |
| 20:03.44 | Fisker | But he uploaded a picture |
| 20:03.50 | Fisker | i googled his username and found him on steam |
| 20:03.55 | Dagmar | Considering that both come from the same fundamental understanding of breaking a problem down into terms simple enough for a computer to understand, there shouldn't _be_ a problem with written communication |
| 20:04.04 | Fisker | Checked his friends and they're friends with blizzard employees |
| 20:04.14 | Ackis | lol |
| 20:04.22 | Fisker | So Blizzard employees are probably sending out their own keys now |
| 20:04.26 | Dagmar | Fisker: Quick, find out where he lives, break in and steal his computer and his authenticator |
| 20:04.34 | Fisker | yes |
| 20:04.44 | alestane | Dagmar: He apparently consistently failed his composition classes at this and his previous schools, and frankly, my opinion is that he's just as bad at programming. |
| 20:05.18 | alestane | And while I'm pretty certain he has some sort of serious cognitive peculiarity, I don't think he has a documented IEP, so I can't discuss it with him. |
| 20:05.32 | Dagmar | IEP? |
| 20:05.41 | alestane | Individualized Education Plan. |
| 20:05.53 | Dagmar | Ya'll have some strange programs |
| 20:06.01 | Seerah | it's a nice term for special ed |
| 20:06.05 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 20:06.25 | alestane | A set of special allowances or curricular modifications made to allow for a documented learning idiosyncrasy. |
| 20:06.49 | Dagmar | Sounds like the simplest course of action is simply to ask him "What 'real-world' experience in coding do you have exactly that qualifies you to say what people do and don't do?" |
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| 20:07.02 | Dagmar | Perhaps show him the log of this channel for the last half hour, minus the sensitive bits. |
| 20:07.07 | alestane | I am specifically prohibited from asking students if they have any condition that might affect their learning process in a standardized curriculum. |
| 20:07.12 | Ackis | I suck |
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| 20:07.26 | Ackis | I have 4 wow account, fiancee has 2, and we have two sets of unused keys at home |
| 20:07.35 | Dagmar | alestane: I think you're way past asking questions time and well into "explaining why you suck" time. |
| 20:07.39 | alestane | We can make allowances for them, but only if they initiate the process with the Dean's Office. |
| 20:08.56 | Dagmar | Unless he suddenly develops the ability to type at 300wpm, only need two hours of sleep a night, and actually become DJB through some quirk of genetics, he's not going to graduate without knowing when and how to leverage existing code |
| 20:09.05 | Fisker | why do you suck Ackis ? |
| 20:09.15 | alestane | What do you mean by "DJB"? |
| 20:09.21 | Dagmar | Wow |
| 20:10.27 | Dagmar | Daniel J. Bernstien (I think) |
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| 20:10.48 | alestane | Google finds me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_J._Bernstein |
| 20:10.56 | Fisker | Oh man is this guy going to cancel the account when he reads my response |
| 20:10.57 | Fisker | I use my Emblem of Triumph to get gems for JC... |
| 20:10.57 | Fisker | To do so i must vendor Emblems ONE AT A TIME from |
| 20:10.57 | Fisker | 10 Emblems of Triumph into 10 Emblems of Conquest, then |
| 20:10.57 | Fisker | 10 Emblems of Conquest into 10 Emblems of Valor, then |
| 20:10.57 | Fisker | 10 Emblems of Valor into 10 Emblems of Heroism |
| 20:11.32 | Kraps | Fisker: fail |
| 20:11.42 | Dagmar | alestane brb |
| 20:11.46 | Kraps | you can do a stack at a time |
| 20:11.47 | alestane | Shift-click for the win? |
| 20:11.53 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 20:12.04 | Fisker | That's why he's going to cancel his account when he find out |
| 20:12.13 | alestane | I went through that for a while, then said "there has to be a better way than this." |
| 20:12.15 | nevcairiel | out of pure happyness? |
| 20:12.17 | DWSR | alestane: There is. |
| 20:12.30 | DWSR | alestane: You can go to the emblem trader next to the sewers inn. |
| 20:12.54 | zenzelezz | clearly he knows about shift-click, it just doesn't work on his computer |
| 20:13.14 | alestane | DWSR: As long as you know how to mass-convert emblems, running from vendor to vendor in the same room isn't that big a deal. |
| 20:13.23 | DWSR | alestane: It's still a PITA. |
| 20:13.26 | alestane | You can do it faster than you can run down to the sewers and back. |
| 20:13.26 | Fisker | naw |
| 20:13.28 | DWSR | Since you have to scroll to the last page. |
| 20:13.37 | Fisker | addons ftw DWSR |
| 20:13.47 | DWSR | Fisker: Emblem conversion addon? Gimme gimme. |
| 20:13.49 | Fisker | besides you know it'll always be on the last page so no biggie |
| 20:13.50 | Fisker | no |
| 20:14.07 | Fisker | goblinvendorseller or something like that |
| 20:14.22 | Fisker | it alters the usual merchant frame to a list |
| 20:14.35 | Seerah | gnomish vendor shrinker |
| 20:14.44 | Fisker | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/goblinvendorfilter.aspx |
| 20:14.45 | Seerah | based off of a previous addon |
| 20:14.54 | Fisker | oh yeah |
| 20:14.55 | Fisker | http://www.wowace.com/addons/gnomishvendorshrinker/ |
| 20:14.56 | Fisker | that one |
| 20:15.07 | Fisker | they're both nice in tandem btw |
| 20:15.15 | Seerah | that's just a button to filter :p doesn't make the list |
| 20:15.24 | Seerah | :) |
| 20:16.05 | DWSR | Seerah: Ah, both are nice *bookmarks* |
| 20:17.30 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/394752911 |
| 20:18.06 | Kraps | http://s.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2009/12/3/16/enhanced-buzz-31886-1259876299-25.jpg |
| 20:18.25 | DWSR | Kraps: Win! |
| 20:19.06 | Dagmar | alestane: The real issue is that while DJB is actually a stellar coder, he's also a nutjob who will write every single opcode by hand if he feels it necessary |
| 20:19.10 | alestane | Yeah, serious win. |
| 20:19.48 | alestane | But he can, and produce good code. |
| 20:20.24 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I'm confused to hell again, are you around? |
| 20:20.24 | Dagmar | alestane: He's written a FFT that is award-winningly fast, but he basically refused to have anything to do with GNU makefiles in the process |
| 20:20.30 | alestane | This guy writes every statement out and produces unreadable shit with unbalanced brackets. |
| 20:20.57 | Dagmar | He wrote DJBDNS, which is firmly entrenched in the technology of the 90's because while it's secure, it's also extremely rigid |
| 20:21.11 | Dagmar | It's also somewhat of a dirty hack |
| 20:21.32 | nevcairiel | i still use qmail on my server |
| 20:21.34 | Dagmar | He is *not* what many would consider to be that terribly useful of a coder |
| 20:21.46 | Dagmar | ...just because of the "I'll do it all my damn self" method. |
| 20:21.59 | Dagmar | Sounds like this kid is trying that, but just sucks too much to pull it off. |
| 20:22.33 | alestane | "I'm sorry, but writing the health bars for someone's flash-based Indie brawler game does not make you a pro." |
| 20:22.38 | Dagmar | Sane men don't write their own harness to get an FFT library to compile |
| 20:22.56 | Dagmar | They use a damn GNU makefile and go have a beer or twenty with that extra time |
| 20:23.03 | Kraps | Adys: i dont really get garfield, and garfieldminusgarfield is even worse |
| 20:23.18 | alestane | Dagmar: So, he would have been a god in 1978. |
| 20:23.22 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 20:23.24 | Dagmar | That time is long past. |
| 20:23.43 | Dagmar | THe time where you can assume that all your problems and thusly your solutions to them are both unique and precious is LONG past |
| 20:23.46 | DWSR | Dagmar: DID YOU LISTEN? :P |
| 20:23.50 | nevcairiel | Kraps: garfieldminusgarfield is just funny if you try to imagine what garfield would be doing to get those reactions =P |
| 20:23.55 | Dagmar | DWSR: lissnin' now |
| 20:24.04 | DWSR | k |
| 20:24.16 | Shirik | Dagmar: only 20? |
| 20:24.21 | Shirik | It takes me over an hour to compile and run all tests |
| 20:24.28 | Shirik | very much time for sword fighting :) |
| 20:24.33 | alestane | Dagmar: Did bypassing the makefile process have an effect on the final code in some way? |
| 20:24.41 | Shirik | then again, it took me like 4 hours to do the initial checkout :/ |
| 20:25.19 | Dagmar | alestane: None that I could see. |
| 20:25.24 | alestane | Of course, I've often suspected that the real reason this guy won't use graphical actions is that he can't see inside them and verify what they're doing. |
| 20:25.42 | alestane | Of course, that's true in any interpreted language. |
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| 20:25.54 | alestane | Including the GML that he's using instead. |
| 20:25.56 | Dagmar | alestane: That would probably indicate he's not in his head compartmentalizing what's going on in the code |
| 20:25.57 | frontendloader | anyone want to help me decide on something? I'm fiddling with making a combatlog parser much like the old perl-based stasiscl, and I thought it might be a good time to either refresh perl, or learn python anew for the parser portion of this project. |
| 20:26.15 | nevcairiel | python, clearly |
| 20:26.16 | Dagmar | alestane: He should be able to walk through what the code is doing, in his head, while it's doing it |
| 20:26.37 | Shirik | ok so when someone signs my key... how do I like |
| 20:26.38 | Dagmar | frontendloader: Being that perl is meant for that task, refresh perl |
| 20:26.41 | Shirik | how do others know its signed? |
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| 20:26.47 | Shirik | Like how do they GET the signature? |
| 20:26.51 | Dagmar | Shirik: You just republish your public key |
| 20:26.55 | Shirik | ah ok |
| 20:26.58 | Dagmar | Once you've imported their sig of course |
| 20:27.04 | Shirik | that makes sense |
| 20:27.04 | frontendloader | yeah that is my feeling Dagmar |
| 20:27.39 | Shirik | so when I publish a key, I'm not just publishing the key but also all signatures associated with it |
| 20:27.44 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 20:28.11 | Dagmar | ...which in theory other clients will be able to verify once they've downloaded all the public keys pointed at by your sig |
| 20:28.21 | Shirik | right |
| 20:28.49 | frontendloader | the parser portion is really the small part of this anyway, once I have my glob of data that I want I'm going to try to get something like worldoflogs' set up built |
| 20:28.59 | Dagmar | In a perfect world this would mean that there's a direct trust relationship being made possible by these signers. |
| 20:29.00 | frontendloader | but not as a centralized log displayer |
| 20:29.01 | Fisker | oh well Cide |
| 20:29.02 | Fisker | it started |
| 20:29.05 | frontendloader | redistributable |
| 20:29.06 | Fisker | and no betas for me ;_; |
| 20:29.07 | Fisker | yet |
| 20:29.08 | Dagmar | In realiy, not so much, but we try |
| 20:29.15 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/364/ |
| 20:29.26 | Cide | Fisker: you sure now? |
| 20:29.36 | alestane | Also, serious win: http://xkcd.com/703/ |
| 20:29.56 | Shirik | well despite not meeting me in person, this guy did as much as he possibly could to verify I am who I say I am :P (and only for a level 0 signature at that) |
| 20:30.01 | Dagmar | frontendloader: Good thing perl can fap out XML quickly then |
| 20:30.28 | Dagmar | Shirik: CACert helps a wee bit, but doesn't get you far unless you go to conventions and stuff |
| 20:30.42 | Fisker | yeah Cide |
| 20:30.47 | Cide | where? |
| 20:30.47 | Dagmar | Or if you travel alot |
| 20:30.52 | Fisker | Apparently your battle.net account just get enrolled automatically |
| 20:30.58 | Fisker | so it's there you'll have to F5 |
| 20:31.06 | Fisker | and just read the battle.net forums |
| 20:31.08 | Cide | oh, no invite emails? |
| 20:31.17 | nevcairiel | the mails probably go out a bit lagged |
| 20:31.24 | Cide | ah, true |
| 20:31.26 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 20:35.24 | Arrowmaster | what is "Windows 2.5.1.2600 (SP 3)" |
| 20:35.31 | Dagmar | XP SP3 |
| 20:36.37 | Arrowmaster | the battle.net beta systemcheck program gets weird results when run in wine |
| 20:36.58 | Arrowmaster | System memory (GB):1.838 |
| 20:39.26 | Fisker | dunno what the 2 is for |
| 20:39.33 | Fisker | but it does that without wine anyway |
| 20:39.43 | Fisker | 6.1.2600 is the build number though |
| 20:41.06 | Fisker | 5.1* |
| 20:41.15 | Adys | Kraps: then dont click |
| 20:41.15 | Adys | :P |
| 20:41.28 | zenzelezz | I don't get the build number thing |
| 20:41.29 | olafski | dwsr: does the guy in the sewers also trade triumph for heroism and such? |
| 20:41.35 | zenzelezz | I've never seen XP go beyond 2600 |
| 20:41.36 | olafski | oh wow that was ages ago, sorry :P |
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| 20:42.01 | olafski | wouldn't that then be the final XP build, zenzelezz? |
| 20:42.04 | DWSR | olafski: No. |
| 20:42.19 | zenzelezz | olafski: I would have thought the service packs would increase that number |
| 20:42.29 | zenzelezz | but MS could have their own scheme obviously |
| 20:42.37 | Dagmar | You would be assuming that MS version numbers follow a sane scheme |
| 20:42.52 | olafski | zenzelezz: hm. could still be "build 2600 with service pack X" |
| 20:42.58 | Adys | Dagmar: they do |
| 20:43.09 | Dagmar | Not by the standards the rest of the world uses |
| 20:43.17 | Arrowmaster | they have this really fucking weird system they use for office atleast |
| 20:43.18 | Adys | floor(rand(10000, 1000000) / 10) |
| 20:43.27 | Adys | they run that every version |
| 20:43.35 | DWSR | Adys: sounds about right |
| 20:43.49 | nevcairiel | It actually has a regular versioning |
| 20:44.02 | nevcairiel | its just that they usually jump to a even number for releases |
| 20:44.03 | Dagmar | You just don't get to see those numbers. |
| 20:44.21 | zenzelezz | apart from version schemes, I find naming schemes funny |
| 20:44.24 | nevcairiel | they have version and build numbers |
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| 20:44.28 | nevcairiel | what you see is the version |
| 20:44.32 | Dagmar | Once it's released, that last number stays no matter what they change in it |
| 20:44.33 | nevcairiel | what they artifically inflate |
| 20:44.36 | Ackis | "Corderro traveled roughly a half-mile down the snowmobile trail before her vehicle got stuck in a ditch" |
| 20:44.38 | Ackis | :| |
| 20:44.42 | Dagmar | Win7 is 7600\ |
| 20:44.45 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 20:44.49 | Tuller | stupid question before I go and see if i can write it: |
| 20:44.57 | nevcairiel | usually they increase that number with a SP |
| 20:45.04 | nevcairiel | at least in vista they did |
| 20:45.05 | Arrowmaster | when was xp released? |
| 20:45.07 | nevcairiel | in XP they might not |
| 20:45.08 | Tuller | does there exist something akin to a windows gadget to switch default playback devices |
| 20:45.10 | Dagmar | I don't think they're artifically inflated, I think they're just entirely discontiguous |
| 20:45.13 | zenzelezz | Battlefield 1942 -> 2 -> 2142, Unreal Tournament -> 2003 -> 2004 -> III, Office 1 (?) -> 6 -> 2000 -> XP -> 2003 -> 2007 -> ...10? |
| 20:45.17 | Dagmar | They never changed that number in Vista either afaik |
| 20:45.46 | Dagmar | Tuller: In W7 you just set the ones you want as default. |
| 20:45.53 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: the win7 beta or what it was, was 7000, there were leaked releases from 7000 up to about 7300, then 7600 was the RTM |
| 20:45.54 | Tuller | yeah I know that |
| 20:46.03 | Tuller | its just that i'm lazy, and don't feel like pulling up that menu |
| 20:46.08 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: Yep. |
| 20:46.17 | Arrowmaster | i think the build number is number of months since a year and the last two digits of that year |
| 20:46.18 | Tuller | (also want to keep my headset plugged in) |
| 20:46.20 | Ackis | zenzelezz: you forgot about battlefield 1943 |
| 20:46.26 | Dagmar | I don't think they use the same xxxx series amonge different versions of Windows |
| 20:46.28 | Arrowmaster | 2600 being 26 months after 2000 |
| 20:46.29 | nevcairiel | that number is not the total version, but a lower number does tell you that its older |
| 20:46.41 | Dagmar | I think it's just happy chance that Win7's 7600 was higher than XP's 2600. |
| 20:47.15 | Dagmar | ...spesh since they so clearly just broke off a fork of Vista to make W7 |
| 20:47.16 | zenzelezz | Ackis: true, I did. Add that after 2142 |
| 20:47.38 | nevcairiel | 6.1.7600.16385.090713-1255 |
| 20:47.44 | nevcairiel | thats the build string of the windows 7 rtm |
| 20:47.53 | nevcairiel | 16385 is the build number |
| 20:48.00 | nevcairiel | followed by the date of building |
| 20:48.08 | nevcairiel | the build number increases one by one |
| 20:48.26 | nevcairiel | not on source changes, but when they do builds |
| 20:48.47 | zenzelezz | wasn't Windows 98's build 1998? Or am I completely misremembering |
| 20:49.06 | DWSR | zenzelezz: release build? |
| 20:49.09 | Dagmar | Dunno. I skipped to 98se |
| 20:49.12 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 20:49.25 | DWSR | Dagmar: YOU LIKE? |
| 20:49.28 | Arrowmaster | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/02/whats-in-a-version-number-anyway.html |
| 20:49.34 | nevcairiel | fun fact: the win7 rtm was build on my birthday :P |
| 20:49.55 | zenzelezz | 4.10.1998 it would seem... http://channel9.msdn.com/forums/Coffeehouse/115019-How-do-you-guys-create-Build-numbers/ |
| 20:51.20 | Kraps | win7... wns |
| 20:51.25 | DWSR | mhm |
| 20:51.36 | nevcairiel | the first three in the build string are just randomly choosen by the build managers, like you would choose a version number for your software |
| 20:51.42 | Dagmar | DWSR: I like |
| 20:51.56 | Dagmar | Just having a trouble listening through my desire to strangle an email admin |
| 20:52.21 | DWSR | Dagmar: hehe |
| 20:52.29 | nevcairiel | Also, tbh, vista was a fork of the 7 build tree to get something out the door :d |
| 20:52.29 | Dagmar | nevcariel: See, other people wouldn't choose random numbers for the version of their software |
| 20:52.48 | nevcairiel | its not "random" |
| 20:53.02 | nevcairiel | not completly, anyway |
| 20:53.52 | nevcairiel | its their 6th windows-design, 2000/XP being 5, Vista and 7 being 6, the first revision of the 6th design .. so 6.1. |
| 20:54.05 | nevcairiel | the other number was probably artifically inflated over vista |
| 20:54.13 | nevcairiel | 7000 made a good win7 beta release, afterall :D |
| 20:54.44 | Dagmar | If they hadn't forked Vista to make W7 instead of releasing a heavy-duty service pack for Vista, no one would ever again buy the first version of anything they make |
| 20:55.07 | nicoli_s | woot sc2 beta! |
| 20:55.42 | Dagmar | I heard one of my old employers (with over 30,000 desktops) had a few people quit over the um... uncaring insertion of Vista into their rollouts |
| 20:55.52 | Kraps | nicoli_s: you has it? |
| 20:55.57 | Dagmar | MS didn't give them a choice. |
| 20:55.57 | nevcairiel | vista was pretty horrible |
| 20:55.58 | nicoli_s | kraps: yeah |
| 20:56.00 | nicoli_s | downloading now |
| 20:56.03 | nicoli_s | and no NDA! |
| 20:56.06 | alestane | nevcairiel: What is this "was"? |
| 20:56.13 | Dagmar | These are the same people who bought the Exchange kool-aid when Exchange first came out |
| 20:56.19 | nevcairiel | alestane: we have 7 now, don't have to think about the past anymore |
| 20:56.23 | DWSR | Exchange is good Kool-aid |
| 20:56.25 | DWSR | Now. |
| 20:56.28 | Dagmar | ...and promptly had the entire 15,000+ user setup explode in their faces. |
| 20:56.40 | alestane | nevcairiel: Except that there are still people rolling out Vista. |
| 20:56.45 | nevcairiel | 7 is what vista should've been |
| 20:56.50 | Dagmar | It took four days for the admins to untangle those spools |
| 20:56.53 | nevcairiel | but they branched it off, and finished it quickly |
| 20:56.56 | alestane | The English Parliament, for instance. |
| 20:56.57 | nevcairiel | so they would get money |
| 20:57.01 | Dagmar | Four days of working around the clock, in fact. |
| 20:57.39 | Shirik | hey Dagmar, I added a new uid to my key |
| 20:57.43 | nevcairiel | alestane: well its not as horrible as it was on its release |
| 20:57.50 | Shirik | but now it says [unknown] on that uid, the other one says [ultimate] |
| 20:57.54 | Shirik | I assume I'm supposed to change that, yes? |
| 20:58.08 | Dagmar | Can you imagine the things that would have happened, had the MS reps managed to talk those guys into putting the entire 45,000+ employee base for a major "big five" accounting firm on that the day of release, like the MS reps wanted them to? |
| 20:58.14 | Kraps | nevcairiel: still cluncky as shit |
| 20:58.28 | Dagmar | Like, aside from the fact that I would have gone and beaten those guys to death personally... |
| 20:58.47 | Dagmar | Four days with no mail in a firm that size is something you have to explain in quarterly statements |
| 21:00.23 | Ackis | http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2010/02/rootkit_authors_issue_patch_fo.php lulz |
| 21:03.56 | Ackis | http://cwe.mitre.org/top25/#Listing top 25 security issues of teh year! w000t |
| 21:05.07 | Dagmar | Interesting that Prevx is mentioned |
| 21:05.18 | Dagmar | I suspect it's only a matter of time now before some of those people go to jail |
| 21:06.11 | Dagmar | Ackis: That list reads like a list of "Why I hate other coders" |
| 21:06.37 | alestane | "Oh, yes. Little Bobby Tables, we call him." |
| 21:06.58 | Ackis | I should peruse a coding job so I can invent new ways to fuck up |
| 21:07.09 | Dagmar | I'm not sure that can be done anymore |
| 21:07.18 | Ackis | Dagmar: this is me remember? |
| 21:07.48 | Dagmar | Yeah but that list of 25 covers pretty comprehensively some seriously broad-sweeping categories of fail |
| 21:07.58 | Dagmar | The only thing really missing there is "Using tcl for anything" |
| 21:09.17 | Ackis | http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/datablog/2009/oct/08/top-100-universities-world I went to #59 :( |
| 21:09.30 | Dagmar | You could go for a new one, if you didn't mind personal embarrassment |
| 21:10.11 | Dagmar | I suspect that this is more a matter of cover-ups than anything else, but one new front for fail is being seduced by attractive female Chinese operatives while traveling abroad. |
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| 21:11.06 | foxlit | Ackis: what the heck is that table based on? |
| 21:11.11 | foxlit | "study blah blah blah" |
| 21:11.26 | foxlit | But what did they actually look at? |
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| 21:11.49 | Ackis | the source they use is http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/ |
| 21:12.04 | Dagmar | Heheh |
| 21:12.36 | Dagmar | I will not be sharing that list at the office, being that the one I work at isn't in that top 100. Unless of course you re-rank by how much the tuition costs |
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| 21:16.10 | Cide | it's also an overall listing |
| 21:17.21 | Ackis | http://www.zerohedge.com/article/move-over-china-beijing-sells-whopping-342-billion-treasuries-december-japan-becomes-largest apparently the US is now owned by Japan, not China |
| 21:17.26 | Ackis | but the UK is sneaking up there |
| 21:17.28 | Ackis | GO UK GO! |
| 21:17.31 | Cide | sweden's Lund university is at #67 for example, but it's not even top 3 w.r.t. technology in sweden |
| 21:17.45 | Cide | maybe the third, I don't know the official listing |
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| 21:30.01 | Ackis | I just won a $70 xbox game from a facebook fan page lol |
| 21:30.08 | nicoli_s | thats awesome |
| 21:30.10 | nicoli_s | what game? |
| 21:30.46 | Dagmar | Deer Hunter eXtreme |
| 21:30.57 | Ackis | Halo ODST |
| 21:31.22 | Cide | official daylight savings time? |
| 21:31.36 | nicoli_s | ackis: can i have yer halo reach beta invite that comes with it? |
| 21:32.23 | Ackis | only if you give me a different kind of reach... |
| 21:32.26 | Ackis | a reach around! |
| 21:32.29 | Ackis | bam! |
| 21:32.43 | nicoli_s | ummmm....a virtual one? |
| 21:33.26 | Ackis | I won't commit right now, but I'll say "maybe"... I still haven't played halo 3 or halo wars yet |
| 21:33.38 | nicoli_s | halo wars was meh |
| 21:33.46 | nicoli_s | halo 3, also pretty meh |
| 21:33.54 | Ackis | I am enjoying halo 2 |
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| 21:34.00 | Ackis | I need to get the rest of the achievements in it |
| 21:34.51 | Ackis | I guess technically I won it via twitter: http://twitter.com/gamestopcanada but i replied on facebook... I make Fisker squirm don't I? |
| 21:39.52 | Thunder_Child | more than just him |
| 21:40.03 | Arrowmaster | halo2 achievements? pc? |
| 21:40.17 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: yup |
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| 21:42.33 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: http://www.trueachievements.com/game.aspx?gameid=1529 |
| 21:48.47 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: http://gizmodo.com/5473967/shooting-challenge-blow-out |
| 21:54.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: YOU LIKE? :P |
| 21:55.03 | Dagmar | So far. |
| 21:55.09 | Dagmar | I can tell you like Abelton |
| 21:55.22 | Dagmar | Who's the chick singing at ~6m? |
| 21:55.40 | Lunessa | Buckcheery lyrics, not exactly work-friendly. |
| 21:55.46 | Dagmar | There's another track of hers I've been trying to get my hands on |
| 21:56.00 | Dagmar | Her name is buckcheery? |
| 21:56.03 | DWSR | Sec, lemme pop it open. |
| 21:56.16 | DWSR | Believe it's Teagan & Sara, though. |
| 21:56.22 | DWSR | So, it'll be whoever the singer is. |
| 21:56.36 | Dagmar | BTW, on general princple, the dude rapping about how great house music is has to go |
| 21:56.38 | DWSR | Dagmar: Also, the lyrics tag on that file has the tracklist |
| 21:56.43 | DWSR | Dagmar: lulz. |
| 21:56.47 | Dagmar | If possible, someone should shoot him in the head to make sure it doesn't happen again |
| 21:57.06 | Dagmar | Good music doesn't need someone in the middle of it running their mouth telling you how good it is |
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| 21:57.21 | DWSR | He's not rapping about how great house music is. He's rapping about great artists who make great house music. :) |
| 21:57.24 | Duman | hmm |
| 21:57.43 | DWSR | Hence why it's called Tribute and not "Nee ner nee ner" |
| 21:57.59 | DWSR | Dagmar: And yeah, Teagan & Sara. |
| 21:58.01 | DWSR | at ~6m |
| 21:58.11 | Dagmar | Well ,it leads to "listening ot some guy running his mouth" and not "dancing" |
| 21:58.22 | DWSR | heh, fair enough. :P |
| 21:58.55 | Dagmar | Still pissed These Hopeful Machines isn't available on vinyl |
| 21:59.38 | DWSR | Dagmar: Indeed. |
| 21:59.42 | DWSR | I want my 5.1 version |
| 22:01.54 | elec29a | damn gm says that i cant transfer from eu wow to us... |
| 22:02.17 | Ackis | if flying from Manchester, you'll probably arrive/land on this: 3 letter acronym/word... wtf? lol |
| 22:02.58 | DWSR | Ackis: It's a TLA. |
| 22:03.15 | Ackis | it could be a full word |
| 22:03.19 | Ackis | that's just three letters |
| 22:03.24 | Ackis | doesn't have to be a TLA |
| 22:03.24 | DWSR | Ackis: I meant, wtf is a TLA. |
| 22:03.55 | Ackis | just some missing letters from a code for free DLC |
| 22:07.11 | Dagmar | Three Letter Acronym. |
| 22:07.28 | Adys | Without calculating, what would you think generates the most gold per hour serverside (so totalling, not counting per person) |
| 22:07.32 | Dagmar | Airport Codes are all TLAs, so it's probably just LON or something |
| 22:07.50 | Adys | a raid of 40 people split in 10 groups all clearing blackwing lair in one hour |
| 22:07.51 | Dagmar | adys: battered hilt farming |
| 22:07.52 | Adys | or |
| 22:08.08 | Adys | the same 40 people, doing their 6 argent tournament dailies in 1 hour every day for a week |
| 22:08.16 | olafski | amazing how people can be wearing ilvl 264 gear without enchants |
| 22:08.26 | Dagmar | looks aghast |
| 22:08.28 | Adys | Dagmar: battered hilt doesn't generate any gold |
| 22:08.30 | Fisker | i need beta |
| 22:08.32 | Fisker | neeed beta |
| 22:08.38 | Dagmar | Adys: It does when you find someone desperate for one |
| 22:08.40 | nevcairiel | Adys: the dailys |
| 22:08.46 | Adys | nevcairiel: correct |
| 22:08.48 | Thunder_Child | no beta for you Fisker |
| 22:08.54 | Thunder_Child | i asked blizz and they said ok |
| 22:09.01 | Adys | at a rate of 24 000 gold in one week for the blackwinglair runs |
| 22:09.10 | Adys | while the dailies will give almost 30 thousand gold |
| 22:09.35 | nevcairiel | lua> 40*6*12*7 |
| 22:09.38 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 20160 |
| 22:09.57 | Adys | nevcairiel: it's 14 gold |
| 22:10.03 | nevcairiel | lua> 40*6*14*7 |
| 22:10.04 | Amarande | olafski: was it ilvl 264 gear they just got? |
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| 22:10.08 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 23520 |
| 22:10.18 | nevcairiel | i still dont get your 30k somehow :D |
| 22:10.33 | Adys | hm |
| 22:10.40 | Amarande | not everyone has hundreds of spare gold or the time to farm it between first acquiring a new ilvl 264 and their first subsequent instance run :S |
| 22:11.17 | nevcairiel | lua> 25*14*7 |
| 22:11.20 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 2450 |
| 22:11.25 | Amarande | Fisker: beta? |
| 22:11.26 | Amarande | wait |
| 22:11.31 | nevcairiel | hm, wouldve thought it could be more |
| 22:11.32 | Amarande | is cata already at beta? :| |
| 22:11.36 | Adys | no its not |
| 22:11.46 | DWSR | Amarande: SC2. |
| 22:11.51 | Fisker | i need beta |
| 22:12.03 | Adys | nevcairiel: what is? |
| 22:12.16 | Adys | doing 25 dailies over a week? |
| 22:12.17 | nevcairiel | the amount of money i can make off dailys in a week =P |
| 22:12.45 | Adys | oh |
| 22:12.47 | Adys | yeah |
| 22:12.51 | DWSR | Dagmar: So overall, you likey? |
| 22:12.52 | Adys | nevcairiel: you're not accounting for the argent bags |
| 22:13.05 | nevcairiel | hm true, but how much does that make? |
| 22:13.10 | olafski | amarande: well, it does have gems in it.. :) |
| 22:13.21 | nevcairiel | also, how long does it take to do 25 dailys :d |
| 22:13.24 | olafski | he said "my enchanting sucks" |
| 22:13.24 | Adys | lua> 40*6*14*7 + 40*3*10*7 |
| 22:13.26 | lua_bot | Adys: 31920 |
| 22:13.28 | Adys | there :) |
| 22:13.32 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Not long. |
| 22:13.34 | DWSR | nevcairiel: 2h tops. |
| 22:13.34 | olafski | (it's a leg item) |
| 22:13.53 | nevcairiel | i need 5 chars to multibox dailys |
| 22:13.57 | Adys | it's a bit less than that because its 13g96 |
| 22:14.02 | Adys | lua> 40*6*13.96*7 + 40*3*10*7 |
| 22:14.05 | lua_bot | Adys: 31852.8 |
| 22:14.08 | Amarande | nev: depends on which ones |
| 22:14.12 | Amarande | some dailies are particularly evil :| |
| 22:14.19 | Amarande | like that stupid one with the frogs |
| 22:14.36 | Adys | Amarande: those are the pre-exalted ones or whatever it is |
| 22:14.51 | Amarande | or the jousting ones |
| 22:14.56 | nevcairiel | i did all of the factions before i stopped caring |
| 22:15.00 | Amarande | the jousting ones are just plain nasty |
| 22:15.01 | nevcairiel | but i spend all my gold on shit |
| 22:15.07 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Assuming that you're doing all of the AT ones (crusader + champion + SC), then the Sons ones, it's like 2 hours. |
| 22:15.18 | nevcairiel | i f'ing hate the sons |
| 22:15.30 | Amarande | Hodir I actually don't mind. |
| 22:15.39 | Amarande | although sometimes there's not enough hot metal to go around :S |
| 22:15.46 | olafski | could just level alchemy and transmute a gem every day |
| 22:15.54 | nevcairiel | i have alchemy |
| 22:15.56 | nevcairiel | that reminds me |
| 22:15.59 | olafski | bout 30k a week |
| 22:16.00 | nevcairiel | i need to transmute today .P |
| 22:16.08 | olafski | assuming no transmute procs |
| 22:16.19 | nevcairiel | 30k a week? wtf do those sell for on your realm? |
| 22:16.31 | Adys | nevcairiel: also interesting to note |
| 22:16.38 | Adys | if you do all 25 dailies every day for an entire week |
| 22:16.46 | olafski | nevcairiel: 150 on average |
| 22:16.48 | Amarande | it's been so long since I ever used one of my cooldown mats |
| 22:16.51 | Adys | you'll generate just as much gold as a bwl guild used to make in 4 hours |
| 22:17.03 | Amarande | the last time was when I was making titansteel so GM and her hubby could have titansteel spellblades |
| 22:17.09 | nevcairiel | olafski: how the hell do you make 30k a week with 150 for one gem? ^ |
| 22:17.11 | olafski | nevcairiel: I assumed about 50g in raw mats |
| 22:17.14 | olafski | nevcairiel: 40 people |
| 22:17.21 | DWSR | WTB Google desktop mail app. |
| 22:17.48 | Adys | gmail can be a desktop app just fine |
| 22:17.55 | Adys | look |
| 22:17.57 | Adys | undock the tab |
| 22:18.01 | Adys | oh look! its a desktop app! |
| 22:18.06 | DWSR | Adys: Not really. |
| 22:18.14 | DWSR | Multiple mailbox support is shite. |
| 22:18.23 | Adys | no its not |
| 22:19.22 | DWSR | !g multiple mailboxes gmail |
| 22:19.30 | DWSR | Broked. |
| 22:19.49 | Adys | !g multiple mailboxes gmail |
| 22:20.01 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 22:20.06 | DWSR | My dad's fucking URL filter is retarded. |
| 22:20.15 | DWSR | It blocks any URLs with the word "gmail" in them. |
| 22:20.31 | DWSR | However, totally lets through mail.google.com |
| 22:21.04 | Adys | try googlemail |
| 22:21.27 | DWSR | Adys: Problem is if I want to click on any of the results. |
| 22:22.07 | DWSR | The filter's picking up the word gmail *anywhere* |
| 22:22.21 | DWSR | Not just in the results. |
| 22:22.25 | DWSR | s/results/domain/ |
| 22:22.54 | olafski | nevcairiel: interesting though isn't it, that doing all those dailies rewards about the same money as a 30 second transmute :) |
| 22:23.13 | Adys | theres a big difference |
| 22:23.20 | Adys | the transmute doesnt create gold |
| 22:23.36 | olafski | oh you were after creation of gold :< didn't see htat |
| 22:23.37 | Amarande | yay finland won today |
| 22:23.39 | Amarande | go kipper |
| 22:23.39 | olafski | that* |
| 22:23.48 | Adys | Well otherwise bwl would lose 4 times more |
| 22:23.49 | olafski | thought it was just about making money for the 40 people involved :) |
| 22:23.52 | Adys | since i was talking about 4man groups |
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| 22:24.53 | Dagmar | Actually, being that the little dogmen in the southwest of Sholazar drop money now, a couple paladins sweeping the area might make a pretty penny in raw gold |
| 22:25.08 | Adys | they always dropped money |
| 22:25.13 | Dagmar | nope. |
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| 22:25.25 | Adys | ... yes, they always have |
| 22:25.26 | Dagmar | I remember very clearly when Wrath first came out they didn't drop anything |
| 22:25.32 | Adys | the wolvar? |
| 22:25.48 | Adys | i used to farm them back when I just hit 80 to make gold |
| 22:25.54 | Dagmar | Yeah the ones that are just incredibly numerous in the quest area way in the southwest corner |
| 22:25.57 | Adys | and I hit 80 less than 2 days after the expansion came out :P |
| 22:26.43 | Dagmar | Well, I was back there taking htem out with my new monkey and they didn't drop a damn thing at first |
| 22:26.48 | Kraps | Adys: whoa |
| 22:27.01 | Adys | Dagmar: then they probably were nerfed then and buffed back later |
| 22:27.05 | Dagmar | I just figured they got the contents of their pockets added at the same time they fixed a lot of the mobs in Icecrown |
| 22:27.18 | p3lim | Whats the name of the addon that checks loading times of addons? |
| 22:27.27 | Dagmar | You can get just a _crazy_ high kill count off those guys |
| 22:27.28 | Adys | p3lim: AddonLoadingTimes |
| 22:27.41 | foxlit | warmup |
| 22:27.46 | Adys | Kraps: what? |
| 22:27.49 | foxlit | I think it came with a pretty large disclaimer, though |
| 22:28.02 | Kraps | Adys: 80 in 2 days |
| 22:28.08 | Kraps | from 70 |
| 22:28.10 | p3lim | foxlit: thanks¨ |
| 22:28.13 | Adys | I was racing serverfirst |
| 22:28.27 | Dagmar | I was just taking a few days off work for a giggle |
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| 22:28.54 | Dagmar | I wanted to make the most of the gorilladin before the nerf |
| 22:29.03 | DWSR | foxlit: Yeah, the fact that addons will load, then subsequently discard, embedded libraries that they may not need. |
| 22:32.20 | Dagmar | OH hell |
| 22:32.40 | Dagmar | It's looking like the Teagan & Sara track I was looking for might have been produced by Tiesto |
| 22:33.09 | olafski | oh noes, that must mean it sucks! |
| 22:33.43 | Ackis | facebook, how I hate these |
| 22:34.04 | Dagmar | olafski: Generally, yes |
| 22:34.12 | Dagmar | Tiesto is pop. |
| 22:34.23 | olafski | so you were looking for a song, now you find out who produced it and all of a sudden it sucks? oO |
| 22:34.33 | Dagmar | Regardless of what hardware he's using to create it. It's common, it's derivative, and generally boring. |
| 22:34.38 | olafski | I get the feeling we've had this talk before.. I've had it with someone in here |
| 22:34.52 | olafski | popular == bad makes me giggle :P |
| 22:34.53 | DWSR | Dagmar: It used to be good. |
| 22:34.56 | Dagmar | I'm not looking for a song, I'm looking for a particular vocal |
| 22:35.08 | DWSR | Dagmar: Acapella? |
| 22:35.18 | Dagmar | Ther'es something about this girl's voice I find interesting |
| 22:35.56 | Dagmar | What is WRONG with people... recording audio on their goddamn cell phone and putting it on YouTube |
| 22:36.01 | Dagmar | Yuck\ |
| 22:36.04 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/9242715629 |
| 22:36.38 | olafski | nice |
| 22:36.44 | olafski | I helped with those 1.1M :-) |
| 22:37.43 | Dagmar | AHA |
| 22:37.50 | Dagmar | Thank god |
| 22:37.51 | Dagmar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtCGODjuRq0&feature=related |
| 22:37.55 | Dagmar | That was the track |
| 22:38.07 | Fisker | Anyone in the SC2 beta have made themselves a powerful enemy tonight |
| 22:38.10 | Dagmar | No Teisto anywhere involved |
| 22:38.15 | Fisker | *shakes fist* |
| 22:38.43 | DWSR | Dagmar: She's not a *great* singer, but yeah. Definitely interesting. |
| 22:38.47 | DWSR | Dagmar: Did you finish, btw? |
| 22:38.50 | Dagmar | dwsr: Now if I can just rmember the goddamn track that I thought would mesh so perfectly into it |
| 22:38.55 | Dagmar | dwsr: Not yet |
| 22:39.01 | DWSR | flail., |
| 22:39.02 | DWSR | :P |
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| 22:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: am now |
| 22:41.12 | Dagmar | Not to be crass, but it does seem like only one of these girls is interested in boys |
| 22:41.17 | Dagmar | That's one for the geneticists |
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| 22:43.13 | Thunder_Child | oh lord, google has a scrolling twitter feed on the search pages now |
| 22:44.15 | Dagmar | Not on my google pages it doesn't |
| 22:44.29 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=SC2+beta&aq=f&aqi=g-z1g9&oq= 4 or 5 down under 'latest results' |
| 22:44.30 | DWSR | Dagmar: It does, actually. |
| 22:44.42 | DWSR | Dagmar: And they're both lesbians |
| 22:45.33 | DWSR | Dagmar: And Canadian |
| 22:50.06 | DWSR | Dagmar: And twins. *faints* |
| 22:50.11 | DWSR | wants/. |
| 22:50.25 | Amarande | and Dagmar |
| 22:50.29 | Amarande | NO BLOODY FARMING THE FRENZYHEART |
| 22:50.33 | Amarande | some of us are allies of them :( |
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| 22:50.56 | Amarande | although I had intended to eventually have become oracles by now |
| 22:51.05 | Amarande | since frenzyheart don't really have anything good from their 7 day item |
| 22:51.17 | Amarande | I figured I would start with them, get their achievements and their JC rep recipes |
| 22:51.21 | Amarande | then swap to oracles |
| 22:51.26 | Amarande | but I never actually spent that much time in sholazar heh |
| 22:51.54 | DWSR | http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2009/06/use-caps-lock-for-hand-friendly-text-navigation/ <-- Turn any editor into Vi! |
| 22:53.16 | DWSR | brb |
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| 22:53.59 | Dagmar | Amarande: I'll freely admit that I'm still aligned with the Oracles becuase it was THEIR emissary that survived. |
| 22:54.20 | Dagmar | It took three tries, but eventually one of them outlived the other. |
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| 22:55.43 | Thrae | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8_Kfjo3VjU <-- this is so ridiculous. I like their parodies. (Warning: NSFW) |
| 22:55.50 | Dagmar | When the amount of damage you output drops by only about 5% when it's extended to n+1 targets, they *say* "Fight this boss and try to save his entralled victims" but you *hear* "Kill the crap out of these three guys" |
| 22:55.59 | ScytheBlade1 | sc2 beta! |
| 22:56.08 | tem | ScytheBlade1, oh!? |
| 22:56.10 | ScytheBlade1 | sixen has an invite! I don't! :( |
| 22:56.18 | tem | I wonder when I'll get mine |
| 22:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ~slashdot |
| 22:56.58 | tem | Anyone ever got any of the amazon gift certificates from the curse store? |
| 22:57.03 | Dagmar | Wow. |
| 22:57.08 | nevcairiel | tem: many |
| 22:57.15 | tem | nevcairiel, how did you get them? |
| 22:57.18 | nevcairiel | email |
| 22:57.23 | tem | I ordered them yesterday and nothing so far |
| 22:57.27 | Dagmar | Looks like I have to go find out how to selectively redact certain CA certificates that Mozilla will be shipping with. |
| 22:57.37 | nevcairiel | just bug ckknight or Kaelten to send them, otherwise it might take 1-2 days |
| 22:57.39 | Dagmar | I would sooner trust CACert than I would *any* Chinese registrar |
| 22:57.44 | tem | yuck |
| 22:57.47 | tem | I need them today |
| 22:57.50 | tem | so I can order my ram |
| 22:57.52 | nevcairiel | so bug them |
| 22:57.53 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 22:58.17 | nevcairiel | that things still have human approval |
| 23:00.07 | tem | nevcairiel, I kind of suspect that it's not human approval, but rather someone has has to manually type in the card codes |
| 23:00.12 | Amarande | Dagmar: don't politicize computer security :| |
| 23:00.37 | Dagmar | I'm not the reason they're all fucking criminals. |
| 23:00.44 | Amarande | c'mon, do you -really- think China would want to screw up our credit card security? |
| 23:00.49 | Amarande | then we'd lose all our money |
| 23:00.51 | Dagmar | Uh.... YES. |
| 23:00.54 | Amarande | and we wouldn't have any money to buy shit from china with, duh |
| 23:01.01 | Dagmar | Doens't have to be China's gov't. |
| 23:01.09 | Amarande | China -depends- on our financial security, so we'll buy their stuff :) |
| 23:01.19 | Dagmar | They do enough damage just letting their people do whatever the hell they please, and ignoring anything that doesn't directly affect Chinese business interests. |
| 23:01.23 | nevcairiel | tem: which is some kind of approval too :P, but i still think its automated, just requires a click on a sent button |
| 23:01.24 | Amarande | who else would they sell cheap plastic toys to? |
| 23:02.00 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yes, I know if it weren't for the US toy industry, China would still have a massive surplus of lead paint. |
| 23:02.14 | Kraps | what, i'm level 50, i can get the quests in chillwind and the mobs are orange and red |
| 23:02.15 | Adys | That would be terrible |
| 23:02.28 | Adys | Kraps: go east |
| 23:02.33 | Adys | at the graveyard things |
| 23:02.36 | Dagmar | Kraps: Man up |
| 23:02.40 | Kraps | i did those |
| 23:02.45 | Amarande | Kraps: WPL is designated as 51-58, so yeah you should probably start seeing quests at 50 |
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| 23:03.10 | ScytheBlade1 | YEAH IM in the beta |
| 23:03.13 | ScytheBlade1 | wooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 23:03.14 | Amarande | Adys: erm shouldn't it be west? |
| 23:03.20 | Kraps | Dagmar: tell my spells to man up |
| 23:03.21 | Amarande | the lower level mobs in WPL are towards the west, not the east |
| 23:03.23 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid crappy keyboard |
| 23:03.45 | tem | ScytheBlade1, what did your invite come from? |
| 23:04.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, ScytheBlade1! |
| 23:04.05 | nicoli_s | ScytheBlade1: whats yer real id? |
| 23:04.05 | ScytheBlade1 | nowhere, I just checked my bnet account |
| 23:06.02 | Dagmar | Kraps: These are the quests around Chillwind Point, right? |
| 23:06.13 | Kraps | Dagmar: yeah |
| 23:06.14 | Dagmar | ...or am I getting the two zones mixed up |
| 23:06.38 | Dagmar | They're hard when you first get them but they're not really impossible unless you're an arcane mage or something |
| 23:06.39 | Kraps | near uthers tomb |
| 23:06.40 | Lopeppeppy | There are level 50 quests that send you to the graveyard, I remember those on my paladin. Dreamy. |
| 23:06.48 | Amarande | Chillwind Point is that fun little spot at the south end of WPL |
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| 23:06.58 | Dagmar | I've gone through there as a fire mage, a hunter, a warrior, and a rogue |
| 23:07.00 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/SC2/SC2-downloading.png |
| 23:07.02 | Lopeppeppy | Just pull your mobs way back if you're having issues with aggro radius. |
| 23:07.09 | Dagmar | Yep. Just pull long |
| 23:07.18 | Amarande | the one where when I had the quest to kill Barov, I just came in from Alterac, ganked the guy, and was well back in Alterac probably before anyone knew I was there |
| 23:07.18 | Dagmar | Fight more than one there and you will die. |
| 23:07.26 | Kraps | nah, i did that quest already |
| 23:07.34 | Kraps | easy |
| 23:07.52 | Lopeppeppy | There's one flavor of undead that you need that spawns more commonly at the top of the graveyard, near the bridge across the river. |
| 23:07.58 | Kraps | the other mobs are 53-55 |
| 23:08.05 | Dagmar | makes up a song to sing to ScytheBlade1 involving the words "I hate your face" |
| 23:08.23 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, dive right in and enjoy it on my behalf! I'll cheer you on. |
| 23:08.36 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 23:09.50 | nicoli_s | ScytheBlade1: my real id is sanktanglia.nic if you wanna play at some point |
| 23:10.17 | ScytheBlade1 | nicoli_s: working on logging in still |
| 23:10.48 | ScytheBlade1 | nicoli_s: where do I create it? |
| 23:11.03 | nicoli_s | you make it in game |
| 23:11.04 | zenzelezz | why do you need friends to play a single-player game? |
| 23:11.12 | ScytheBlade1 | it'll be a bit |
| 23:11.14 | nicoli_s | zenzelezz: its not sp in the beta, its mp |
| 23:11.20 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: you don't? at least not in the final product |
| 23:11.55 | zenzelezz | I suppose I might have just said "who cares about MP" |
| 23:12.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you might as well have said "I don't care about beta" fwiw |
| 23:12.11 | Amarande | good god |
| 23:12.18 | Amarande | 1st intermission and canada is already winning 5-0 |
| 23:12.22 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: that's what I was hinting at |
| 23:12.28 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: yeah I know |
| 23:12.28 | nicoli_s | home field cheating advantage |
| 23:12.29 | Amarande | and they're asking the swedish girl "what happened" |
| 23:12.36 | Amarande | YOU'RE PLAYING THE CANADA WOMEN'S TEAM |
| 23:12.38 | Amarande | that's what happened |
| 23:12.38 | Amarande | heh |
| 23:13.04 | Dagmar | "The Canadian girls aren't here because of their perfect hair and teeth, dear." |
| 23:13.34 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe it's good that my hand isn't good for gaming right now, multiplayer is not a great learning curve for me. |
| 23:13.48 | Dagmar | There there. |
| 23:14.00 | Amarande | lol "there is still hope" |
| 23:14.02 | Dagmar | I have three Heroes of Newerth beta keys to inflict on people |
| 23:14.06 | Amarande | has a team *ever* ciome back from 5 goals down :) |
| 23:14.13 | Amarande | in *any* serious ice hockey contest? |
| 23:14.20 | Dagmar | Amarande: Not when the lead was gained that quickly |
| 23:14.41 | zenzelezz | I tend to dislike RTS game multiplayer. It's almost entirely "first person to build/train X wins" |
| 23:14.51 | Amarande | CARRIERS |
| 23:14.53 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: So you've already played HoN then |
| 23:14.55 | Amarande | CARRIERS FTW |
| 23:14.58 | Lunessa | RTS games + me = can't do it. :( |
| 23:15.23 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: not sure what HoN is, but I've tried enough RTS games |
| 23:15.38 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: not at all, sorry. Very few matches actually come down to that. |
| 23:15.38 | Lunessa | The level of mousing involved is too much strain on my carpal-tunnel-syndrome having self. |
| 23:15.40 | Dagmar | I submitted them a half dozen bug reports (which were hard to find) and then decided I would rather not load hte client ever again |
| 23:15.53 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: I'm talking about my experience only, obviously |
| 23:16.16 | Dagmar | The game literally comes down to who knows the classes the best, and they just run from vendor to vendor gearing up and will be unstoppable in about a minute or two |
| 23:16.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Playing even Red Alert 3 with Thunder_Child lately, it isn't close to "first to X wins" |
| 23:16.34 | nicoli_s | i hated HoN |
| 23:16.41 | Dagmar | After that it's just a matter of how quickly they feel like tracking you down and two-shotting you. |
| 23:16.50 | Dagmar | It fails the "fun" test |
| 23:16.59 | Shirik | hi ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:17.08 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Which is why CivNet in the 90s wasn't much fun. |
| 23:17.14 | ScytheBlade1 | hi |
| 23:17.18 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: I'll admit it's been a while since I bothered with RTS MP now, but back in RA2 and several others before/around that time it was all tank rushing/zerging |
| 23:17.29 | ScytheBlade1 | RA2 was quite terrible |
| 23:17.35 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I'm not kidding about the "minute or two". Two minutes would be unusually slow |
| 23:17.45 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Ugh. Sucks. |
| 23:17.49 | foxlit | RA2 was awesome, really |
| 23:17.49 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 23:17.49 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Can you tell me if my public key makes any sense? |
| 23:17.52 | Dagmar | It's pretty as hell tho |
| 23:17.54 | Shirik | I modified it |
| 23:17.59 | foxlit | Perhaps not balanced, but *fun* |
| 23:18.03 | zenzelezz | RA2 disappointed me on every level. It felt nothing like RA |
| 23:18.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: link it somewhere |
| 23:18.28 | Adys | as html5 is not coming, why not support gears on chrome for linux? It will be nice, |
| 23:18.28 | Adys | for offline use of Calendar and Gmail. Maybe only a light version of Gears would be |
| 23:18.29 | Adys | already cool |
| 23:18.30 | Adys | Idiots. |
| 23:18.30 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xDD9423B4FDB2C508 |
| 23:19.15 | Shirik | it should have two email addresses associated with it |
| 23:19.21 | Shirik | though it's currently unsigned (except the self sig) |
| 23:19.30 | zenzelezz | cast it to signed then |
| 23:19.32 | Shirik | ... |
| 23:20.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: any chance you can give me the shorter hex? |
| 23:20.26 | Shirik | not sure what you mean |
| 23:20.35 | Shirik | I'm a noob at PGP ok |
| 23:20.35 | ScytheBlade1 | sec then |
| 23:20.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll work with it |
| 23:20.47 | Shirik | also |
| 23:21.03 | Dagmar | You need a GUI tool I suspect |
| 23:21.05 | Shirik | 11A20BE4 if it's in there shouldn't exist |
| 23:21.25 | ScytheBlade1 | that's it |
| 23:21.33 | ScytheBlade1 | er no it isn't |
| 23:21.41 | Shirik | FDB2C508 should be the key |
| 23:21.41 | ScytheBlade1 | 0xFDB2C508 |
| 23:21.42 | ScytheBlade1 | is you |
| 23:21.44 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 23:22.04 | ScytheBlade1 | yes, two addresses |
| 23:22.13 | Shirik | on the same key |
| 23:22.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
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| 23:22.56 | Shirik | ok, yay |
| 23:23.05 | Shirik | is 11A20BE4 in there at all? |
| 23:23.09 | Shirik | like a signature? |
| 23:23.15 | Shirik | it seems to be |
| 23:23.19 | Shirik | but not according to gpg |
| 23:23.24 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 23:23.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't see that |
| 23:23.36 | Shirik | ok |
| 23:24.09 | Lopeppeppy | cuddles up to Lunessa in the Gimp Corner. |
| 23:24.22 | Lunessa | is NOT wearing the mask. |
| 23:24.30 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't know there was a mask. |
| 23:24.51 | Lunessa | for the sake of your sanity don't search for gimp mask then. |
| 23:25.15 | Lunessa | practices reverse psychology. |
| 23:25.26 | zenzelezz | bring out the gimp |
| 23:27.00 | Lopeppeppy | I know that GIMP is like photoshop, bet there are masks in there. |
| 23:30.56 | zenzelezz | yeah; they're pretty useful |
| 23:33.45 | Gnarfoz | no sc2 key >:F |
| 23:35.05 | nicoli_s | woot! made the first sc2 mod! |
| 23:35.18 | zenzelezz | Hello Kitty? |
| 23:35.28 | nicoli_s | turned the nexus into an extractor |
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| 23:36.01 | Kraps | carbonite has a pretty big changlog |
| 23:36.09 | Kraps | just updated |
| 23:40.38 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, there are probably twice as many people on this torrent using something other than the blizzard download |
| 23:40.44 | ScytheBlade1 | than there are people using the blizzard downloader |
| 23:42.19 | Dagmar | So, users are stupid. |
| 23:42.22 | Dagmar | We already know that bit. |
| 23:42.57 | nicoli_s | http://s711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/salocin85/?action=view¤t=Screenshot.jpg&newest=1 |
| 23:47.14 | ScytheBlade1 | nicoli_s: you read section 5 of the EULA? |
| 23:47.22 | nicoli_s | which one? |
| 23:47.31 | ScytheBlade1 | install/general EULA |
| 23:48.01 | nicoli_s | nope, whats it say? |
| 23:48.06 | Adys | "We own your ass" |
| 23:48.11 | ScytheBlade1 | everything about it is confidential :P |
| 23:48.13 | Adys | thats usually what section 5 says |
| 23:48.22 | nicoli_s | they lifted the nda ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:48.27 | Adys | uh |
| 23:48.32 | nicoli_s | they said screenshots and videos and replays are fine to post online |
| 23:48.35 | Adys | blizzard's betas are never under nda |
| 23:48.39 | Adys | only alphas |
| 23:48.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Their EULA disagrees |
| 23:48.56 | zenzelezz | reported! |
| 23:48.57 | nicoli_s | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23280178109&sid=5000 |
| 23:49.50 | Gnarfoz | EULAs schmeulas |
| 23:49.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, through peer exchange on this torrent |
| 23:49.58 | ScytheBlade1 | 1200 peers |
| 23:50.03 | ScytheBlade1 | DHT has 373 |
| 23:50.24 | Gnarfoz | rages to bed, without sc2 key >:F |
| 23:50.31 | DWSR | SB1: New WoW patch or SC2 beta? |
| 23:50.37 | ScytheBlade1 | latter |
| 23:52.08 | Lopeppeppy | it's all gonna be about the beta for a week or so. :) |
| 23:52.34 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: What, you mean this channel isn't about developing WoW addons? :P |
| 23:52.42 | DWSR | What was your first clue? All of the ME2 talk? |
| 23:52.57 | DWSR | This channel should be renamed #peoplewhodevelopwowaddonsbutnevertalkaboutthem |
| 23:53.02 | DWSR | s/never/rarely/ |
| 23:53.18 | Jerub | I have sometimes talked about wow addons! |
| 23:53.40 | DWSR | hence why I said rarely. |
| 23:53.48 | Jerub | Speaking of such things. I need a way to stab feral druids in the face over the internet. |
| 23:53.51 | Jerub | is there an addon for that? |
| 23:53.56 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 23:53.59 | Lopeppeppy | It's called Spork. |
| 23:54.37 | zenzelezz | I thought this was #meetinggamerchicks |
| 23:54.47 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: that explains a lot |
| 23:54.53 | Jerub | i did that in a LFD the other night. |
| 23:54.53 | DWSR | zenzelezz: #womenwhoplaygames, akshully. |
| 23:54.57 | Jerub | ;) |
| 23:55.21 | Jerub | but it turned out she was an american! sigh. |
| 23:56.54 | Jerub | i really just want an addon that shows me: savage roar uptime, # clipped mangles, # shreds without mangle. |
| 23:57.21 | Jerub | because i'm really freaking shat off with droods that don't know that shred does 30% more damage when you have mangle up |
| 23:57.33 | DWSR | Jerub: shat off? |
| 23:57.46 | DWSR | Dagmar: FINISH YET? :P |
| 23:58.03 | Jerub | DWSR: it's the transitive past tense verbed noun of 'shit'. |
| 23:58.07 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, there are three #womenwhoplaygames in this channel, oh em geee! |
| 23:58.12 | Jerub | * may be a lie. |
| 23:58.22 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Does this *look* like Twitter to you? :P |
| 23:58.33 | Gnarfoz | ~internet |
| 23:58.33 | purl | for pr0n! |
| 23:58.39 | Gnarfoz | hmm. |
| 23:58.39 | Jerub | RT @DWSR> Lopeppeppy: Does this *look* like Twitter to you? :P |
| 23:58.47 | Gnarfoz | ~fbi |
| 23:58.48 | purl | methinks fbi is http://media.putfile.com/Querido-FBI-video-cortesia-Los-Acheros |
| 23:58.48 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 23:58.50 | DWSR | -.- |
| 23:59.00 | Gnarfoz | ~welcome |
| 23:59.01 | purl | It's great to be here! |
| 23:59.01 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 23:59.05 | Gnarfoz | ~irc |
| 23:59.05 | purl | Welcome to IRC, where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents. |
| 23:59.09 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 23:59.26 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, Shirik has met me, he can say I'm a female creature. |
| 23:59.27 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy's a man? |
| 23:59.40 | Lopeppeppy | Not last I checked the plumbing. |
| 23:59.49 | DWSR | Engrish? |
