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| 00:03.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: any today? |
| 00:03.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you break and buy it yet? |
| 00:03.57 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: sure |
| 00:04.59 | Thunder_Child | i cant believe that there are so few of us with RA3 |
| 00:05.23 | Corrodias | i'm terrible with RTS's |
| 00:06.14 | ScytheBlade1 | RTS is win though |
| 00:07.06 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: map is set up, let me know when you are in so i can tab back in |
| 00:07.08 | Fisker | red alert 3? |
| 00:07.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: it'll be a bit, I need to kill a migraine. You should watch the replay from my view and see just how different our camera movements are |
| 00:07.12 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 00:07.14 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 00:07.19 | ScytheBlade1 | it'll be a bit |
| 00:07.23 | ScytheBlade1 | 30-40m |
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| 00:09.30 | Lopeppeppy | I think I survived today. Wow. It was a close call! |
| 00:09.57 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy you live in a trashcan |
| 00:10.23 | Lopeppeppy | shares chocolate-covered strawberries with Cairenn and Seerah and shifuimam. |
| 00:10.32 | shifuimam | aw thanks! |
| 00:10.37 | shifuimam | loves strawberries and now wants some |
| 00:12.29 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy's a sexist |
| 00:15.10 | DWSR | wow |
| 00:15.23 | DWSR | Some Georgian luger got killed in a practice run at Whistler. |
| 00:15.51 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... there's talk of canceling all luge events due to the track being unsafe. |
| 00:16.08 | DWSR | Apparently it's the fastest track in the world. |
| 00:16.46 | Lopeppeppy | Not anymore. :( |
| 00:16.51 | DWSR | ? |
| 00:16.55 | DWSR | They nerfing the speed? |
| 00:17.02 | Lopeppeppy | They may be closing it as unsafe. |
| 00:17.13 | DWSR | They hold world cup events there.. |
| 00:17.35 | DWSR | Also, he's the first person to ever come out of the track *there*. |
| 00:17.44 | DWSR | Not the first person ever to come out of a track |
| 00:18.54 | Lopeppeppy | Not the first person to come out of that track, or the first time people have complained that the speed is unsafe. |
| 00:19.13 | shifuimam | oh fuck me...game didn' tpatch properly |
| 00:19.18 | DWSR | Ah, I was watching the news and they said he was the first person to come out there. |
| 00:19.21 | DWSR | I don't know. |
| 00:19.34 | DWSR | Olympics are supposed to be the pinnacle of competition. |
| 00:19.38 | Lopeppeppy | Come out at that specific point, perhaps, but they've had other crashes, etc. |
| 00:19.42 | DWSR | I have no problem with it being the fastest. |
| 00:19.53 | Lopeppeppy | No good being fast if it's a killer. |
| 00:20.02 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Oh, obviously. |
| 00:20.15 | DWSR | But people seem to be QQing because it's *the fastest* not because it's *too fast*. |
| 00:20.43 | DWSR | And yeah, btw, I just want to throw this out there: Holding the Olympics at Whistler was stupid. The weather blows. |
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| 00:21.53 | Lopeppeppy | They're the winter olympics, the weather is supposed to suck. It wasn't any better when they were at Lake Placid (only other winter games I remember and/or cared about) |
| 00:22.21 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: The problem is that Whistler gets a lot of rain |
| 00:22.35 | DWSR | And winter weather does not suck |
| 00:22.39 | DWSR | Snow is win |
| 00:26.28 | DWSR | LOL |
| 00:26.31 | DWSR | Kids are so cute. |
| 00:26.44 | DWSR | Newscaster is standing in Whistler Village in the middle of a street. |
| 00:26.47 | Fisker | slaps DWSR around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:26.48 | DWSR | Kid runs past screaming. |
| 00:28.13 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, kidsicles. |
| 00:30.23 | ckknight | what's it called when you use a statically-defined record type versus an arbitrarily defined dictionary structure? |
| 00:31.54 | DWSR | I love Canadian newscasters. |
| 00:32.04 | DWSR | They make it sounds like Canada's going to be winning the Olympics. |
| 00:32.24 | ckknight | Canuckistan |
| 00:34.26 | Fisker | georgia obviously will |
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| 00:39.15 | shifuimam | you know, if RoM supports transferring mounts between characters, why the crap can't they automate it? |
| 00:39.19 | shifuimam | you have to put in a support ticket to do it |
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| 00:49.45 | Shirik | "It does seem to be an unlikely argument for further prevarication." <-- translation please |
| 00:50.15 | DWSR | !g define:prevarication |
| 00:50.16 | batbot | DWSR: no results |
| 00:50.22 | DWSR | fuck you batbot. |
| 00:50.40 | Shirik | not the problem DWSR |
| 00:50.43 | Shirik | I understand what prevarication is |
| 00:50.48 | Shirik | I don't understand the sentence |
| 00:50.49 | DWSR | I don't. |
| 00:51.07 | Shirik | a statement that strays from the truth |
| 00:51.12 | Shirik | like most politicians |
| 00:51.13 | DWSR | It does seem to be an unlikely argument for further lying. |
| 00:51.21 | DWSR | I dunno, what's unclear about that sentence? |
| 00:51.28 | Shirik | well it's not "lying" |
| 00:51.43 | Shirik | it's "straying from the truth" |
| 00:51.46 | Shirik | like twisting words around |
| 00:51.48 | Shirik | biasing |
| 00:51.51 | DWSR | That's a lie. |
| 00:52.24 | DWSR | Regardless of what we're calling it. |
| 00:52.37 | DWSR | Let's just say it's a lie just for simplificity's sake. |
| 00:52.42 | DWSR | wow |
| 00:52.42 | Shirik | I think my problem is in the word "Further" |
| 00:52.46 | DWSR | simplicity. |
| 00:52.52 | DWSR | Yeah...what's wrong with that |
| 00:52.58 | Shirik | problem is you have no context |
| 00:53.07 | Shirik | but I don't really think there's a starting point, so "further" is somewhat illogical |
| 00:53.10 | DWSR | Well, you quoted me a sentence. |
| 00:53.20 | DWSR | You want to quote me some paragraph? |
| 00:53.48 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Renewable_energy#Request_to_add_carbon_neutral_growth_rate_to_.22contsraints_and_opportunities.22 |
| 00:54.10 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: thanks for the strawberries! :) |
| 00:54.39 | Shirik | I didn't get any strawberries :( |
| 00:55.26 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: thats why i called Lopeppeppy a sexist, it was only for teh wommenz |
| 00:55.40 | DWSR | Shirik: Yeah, that doesn't make any sense (to me) |
| 00:55.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: did you break and buy it on steam yet? |
| 00:55.57 | Shirik | nope |
| 00:56.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ;( |
| 00:56.14 | Thunder_Child | why not? |
| 00:56.20 | DWSR | Though, Prevarication can also apparently be procrastination |
| 00:56.39 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes a treat is for girlfriends. However, Shirik, I have some left, so you're welcome to share. |
| 00:57.18 | ScytheBlade1 | boots the desktop |
| 00:57.26 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 00:57.30 | DWSR | They're doing body shots. |
| 00:57.34 | DWSR | On primetime TV. |
| 00:57.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: booting! so give it 3m |
| 00:57.58 | Thunder_Child | then it cant be the good time |
| 00:58.03 | Thunder_Child | s/time/kind/ |
| 00:58.03 | DWSR | T_C: Yeah. |
| 00:58.15 | Thunder_Child | i blame you for that slipup ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:58.16 | DWSR | Gotta be cranberry juice or smoething |
| 00:58.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:59.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: loading. . . |
| 00:59.46 | ScytheBlade1 | and I'm in |
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| 01:10.47 | shifuimam | is there a lua function for parsing a string as a script? |
| 01:10.53 | shifuimam | e.g. if the string is "MyFrame:GetHeight()" |
| 01:11.03 | shifuimam | is there a function i can pass that string to so that it's parsed as lua, not a string |
| 01:11.08 | Shirik | loadstring |
| 01:11.25 | Shirik | well, technically what you're asking is "dostring" |
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| 01:11.45 | shifuimam | so i should use dostring(), or loadstring()? |
| 01:11.52 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:13.10 | shifuimam | well, dostring appears to not exist |
| 01:13.17 | ckknight | loadstring |
| 01:13.17 | Shirik | !api dostring |
| 01:13.22 | shifuimam | "attempt to call global dostring(), a nil value) |
| 01:13.26 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'luaL_dostring' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#luaL_dostring |
| 01:13.30 | ckknight | use loadstring |
| 01:13.31 | Shirik | oh, it's a C function only |
| 01:13.32 | ckknight | dostring is obsolete |
| 01:13.33 | shifuimam | Shirik: sorry, i keep forgetting to mention that i'm in RoM, not WoW |
| 01:13.34 | shifuimam | ok |
| 01:13.40 | shifuimam | loadstring alos gives an error, atlhough it's a different one |
| 01:13.53 | ckknight | lua> assert(loadstring("print('pants')"))() |
| 01:13.54 | lua_bot | ckknight: pants |
| 01:14.09 | Shirik | ckknight, is your name chris? |
| 01:14.10 | shifuimam | http://pastebin.com/m7ca61746 |
| 01:14.26 | shifuimam | that is the entirety of my code. all i'm doing is bringing back print() to RoM, since the second to last client patch inexplicably removed it from the API |
| 01:14.37 | shifuimam | and adding support for using "/print" rather than "/script print()" |
| 01:14.40 | ckknight | Shirik: Cameron Kenneth Knight |
| 01:14.44 | shifuimam | the /print part is what's not working. my print() function works. |
| 01:14.45 | Shirik | hm |
| 01:15.02 | Shirik | one of my old bosses always used to use "pants" in his examples |
| 01:15.02 | ckknight | shifuimam: you need to execute the result of loadstring |
| 01:15.13 | ckknight | Shirik: pro-tip: I'm not wearing any |
| 01:15.28 | shifuimam | i tried that too, using pcall() |
| 01:15.31 | Shirik | why pcall |
| 01:15.35 | ckknight | shifuimam: seriously, assert(loadstring(stuff))() |
| 01:15.40 | ckknight | I gave you the code |
| 01:15.52 | shifuimam | ckknight: sorry, i missed that message. |
| 01:16.30 | shifuimam | trying that now |
| 01:16.37 | ckknight | question: what happened to TourGuide? |
| 01:16.49 | Seerah | ck never wears pants. he prefers kilts :p |
| 01:17.03 | Seerah | what do you mean "what happened" to it? |
| 01:17.08 | shifuimam | incidentally, i'm not wearing any pants either, although it's because a shower is in my near future |
| 01:17.38 | ckknight | Seerah: can't reach it on github anymore |
| 01:17.46 | ckknight | and it hasn't been updated on WoWI for quite some time |
| 01:18.06 | shifuimam | ckknight: no dice on assert()() |
| 01:18.38 | Seerah | ckknight: hmm... no clue :) |
| 01:18.44 | Arrowmaster | !api assert |
| 01:18.46 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'assert' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-assert |
| 01:19.02 | ckknight | shifuimam: if it's not raising an error, you have even more serious issues. |
| 01:19.12 | shifuimam | it raises san error |
| 01:19.23 | shifuimam | "attempt to concatenante local theTxt, nil value" |
| 01:19.43 | Seerah | then your variable is nil when you try to use it |
| 01:19.54 | shifuimam | it shouldn't be |
| 01:20.06 | ckknight | it is. |
| 01:20.09 | ckknight | trust the system |
| 01:20.12 | shifuimam | e.g. using /script print(MyFrame:GetHeight()) works; /print MyFrame:GetHeight() doesn't |
| 01:21.30 | Snigermis | you type /print ingame? |
| 01:22.09 | shifuimam | Snigermis: it's the slash command i am attempting to implement for this add-on that brings print() back to RoM |
| 01:22.17 | Snigermis | aah rom |
| 01:22.18 | shifuimam | i mean, it's not necessary; i just wanted to make a convenient shorthand |
| 01:22.29 | Snigermis | the one game that tries so hard. but fails ;P |
| 01:22.33 | shifuimam | nah, it's awesome |
| 01:22.59 | Zenkai_WrA | Hello, guys. I have a quick question. |
| 01:22.59 | Seerah | I actually semi-enjoyed it when I played for about 2 weeks |
| 01:23.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: stupid economy advantage.. made that hard :( |
| 01:23.14 | shifuimam | using /print MyFrame:GetHeight() passes "MyFrame:GetHeight()" as a string |
| 01:23.24 | shifuimam | Seerah: i'm rather a fan of it |
| 01:23.30 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: me or you? |
| 01:23.33 | ScytheBlade1 | you |
| 01:23.47 | Thunder_Child | i had the economy advantage? |
| 01:23.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I was resource starved that entire time |
| 01:23.51 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 01:23.58 | Zenkai_WrA | Are you allowed to publish your add-on under an open-source license and a copyright, or do you release ownership when you release it to the public? |
| 01:24.04 | Thunder_Child | that was by your choice |
| 01:24.11 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 01:24.24 | Thunder_Child | another? |
| 01:24.28 | ScytheBlade1 | but the gamble nearly lost me that :/ |
| 01:24.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to eat |
| 01:24.38 | Zenkai_WrA | Guys? |
| 01:24.40 | Seerah | Zenkai_WrA: you may publish your addon under whichever license you want. It's your code and your intellectual property |
| 01:24.46 | Thunder_Child | very well |
| 01:24.52 | Seerah | Zenkai_WrA: and give people time to type :p |
| 01:24.59 | Zenkai_WrA | :) |
| 01:25.01 | Seerah | (and I'm a fast typer...) :p |
| 01:25.09 | Shirik | lies |
| 01:25.16 | Shirik | I took a test recently and got 120 words per minute |
| 01:25.19 | Zenkai_WrA | Alrighty then. I'd like to know, just for future reference, how you would obtain a license. :| |
| 01:25.34 | Seerah | you just state it |
| 01:25.41 | Zenkai_WrA | Most I could pull in high school was 105 WPM. :P |
| 01:25.41 | Lopeppeppy | "All rights reserved." |
| 01:26.00 | Seerah | ^^^ that is how you "obtain" that particular license |
| 01:26.04 | Zenkai_WrA | I thought you could publish under a GNU open source license or something. |
| 01:26.06 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/077c8f77b9a90bfdef93ae03df4abccb.png |
| 01:26.20 | Seerah | then you put that in your code/description |
| 01:26.35 | Seerah | if no license is present, then it is automatically all rights reservd |
| 01:26.39 | Seerah | *reserved |
| 01:27.03 | Corrodias | double your typing speed |
| 01:27.04 | Corrodias | 220! |
| 01:27.14 | Shirik | I was just thinking that, lol |
| 01:27.20 | Shirik | I should take them up on that offer |
| 01:27.27 | Shirik | and then sue them for false advertisement |
| 01:27.31 | Seerah | you can publish under "Seerah's super awesome license of uber awesomeness" as long as it could be found somewhere what it was defined as, or you put the definition in your download/description |
| 01:28.19 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Released under Seerah's super awesome license of uber awesomeness |
| 01:28.44 | Seerah | Zenkai_WrA: or, you can just say something like this, and not need a "name" for it http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=275&a=faq&faqid=397 |
| 01:28.45 | shifuimam | gah this makes zero sense. |
| 01:29.01 | shifuimam | i think the RoM API randomly breaks just to fuck with addon devs. |
| 01:29.23 | Shirik | shifuimam: In my experience, people claiming bugs in APIs typically aren't using it right |
| 01:29.33 | Lopeppeppy | I think that's a Schrodenbug, or a Heisenbug, shifuimam. |
| 01:30.12 | shifuimam | well, this should work, right: http://pastebin.com/m47c41ded |
| 01:30.18 | Shirik | http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#id382249 |
| 01:30.21 | Thunder_Child | you mean a Murphy |
| 01:30.33 | shifuimam | foo is a string, bar is the output of assert(loadstring(foo))(), yet that returns a nil value |
| 01:30.39 | Shirik | What is QuestTrackerFrame |
| 01:30.40 | shifuimam | QuestTrackerFrame:GetHeight() is NOT a nil value |
| 01:30.43 | shifuimam | it's a default frame in the game |
| 01:30.47 | Zenkai_WrA | So does the WoW ToS or EULA or anything say anything about addon ownership? o.o |
| 01:30.48 | Shirik | a global? |
| 01:30.54 | shifuimam | if i run /script QuestTrackerFrame:GetHeight() returns an integer, like it's supposed to |
| 01:30.55 | shifuimam | yes. |
| 01:31.05 | ckknight | shifuimam: you probably want "return " .. foo |
| 01:31.14 | Shirik | uh |
| 01:31.17 | Lopeppeppy | Zenkai_WrA, there is a sticky in the UI/Macros forum about that, you should read up. |
| 01:31.19 | shifuimam | loadstring("return "..foo) ? |
| 01:31.22 | ckknight | yes |
| 01:31.23 | Zenkai_WrA | Cool cool cool. |
| 01:31.25 | Zenkai_WrA | Thanks. |
| 01:31.30 | shifuimam | aha |
| 01:31.32 | shifuimam | that worked |
| 01:31.52 | shifuimam | ckknight: what does "return" do? i realize i should probably know this.. |
| 01:31.57 | Shirik | .. |
| 01:32.08 | shifuimam | i mean, i've seen it, i use it, i don't nkow what theory of it is |
| 01:32.10 | Shirik | shifuimam, you really need to read PIL before going much further if you're this far and don't know it |
| 01:32.20 | Lopeppeppy | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16102301679&sid=1 |
| 01:32.25 | Thunder_Child | http://kuvaton.com/browse/13891/apple_restriction_zone.jpg |
| 01:32.31 | ckknight | shifuimam: function() return x() end vs. function() x() end |
| 01:32.31 | shifuimam | Shirik: mk |
| 01:32.42 | shifuimam | ckknight: ok |
| 01:33.48 | Shirik | time for an ice cream |
| 01:33.58 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, ice cream. |
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| 01:42.26 | WobWork | although, if ckknight's explanation actually ... explained it to you, I'd be impressed =P |
| 01:42.43 | Zenkai_WrA | Woah. Are any of you guys on an RP realm? |
| 01:42.53 | WobWork | I used to be |
| 01:43.05 | Zenkai_WrA | I just read the Roleplaying Realm policies out of sheer boredom, mmkay? |
| 01:43.21 | WobWork | hehe. "Policies" |
| 01:43.34 | Zenkai_WrA | Did you know that unmarked OOC isn't supposed to take place in /p? |
| 01:43.37 | DWSR | Zenkai_WrAY: Yes. |
| 01:43.38 | Zenkai_WrA | That doesn't even make sense. |
| 01:44.02 | WobWork | they're more... "guidelines that never actually get enforced in any way whatsoever" |
| 01:44.33 | Zenkai_WrA | I've just always been under the impression that /p was OOC by default. |
| 01:44.35 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:44.35 | Zenkai_WrA | :/ |
| 01:44.37 | DWSR | No. |
| 01:44.44 | DWSR | Anything that creates chat bubbles is IC. |
| 01:44.50 | DWSR | /p, /s, /y |
| 01:45.07 | Zenkai_WrA | So your character could speak and only select people could "hear" them? That make much sense? |
| 01:45.14 | Zenkai_WrA | Even /w would make more sense than /p. |
| 01:45.40 | DWSR | Zenkai_WrA: So you can throw about little bolts of energy that can kill people? That makes much sense. |
| 01:45.50 | Zenkai_WrA | Trufax. :| |
| 01:46.00 | Zenkai_WrA | Oh well. It's their game. |
| 01:46.05 | DWSR | mhm. |
| 01:47.10 | Zenkai_WrA | Hey, has anyone here read/used Paul Emmerich's book? |
| 01:48.15 | WobWork | oh dbm dude |
| 01:48.17 | Zenkai_WrA | He's one of the DBM creators. |
| 01:48.25 | Zenkai_WrA | http://apress.com/book/view/1430223715 |
| 01:49.39 | DWSR | heh |
| 01:49.40 | Arrowmaster | dbm authors dont get a lot of respect in here |
| 01:49.49 | Zenkai_WrA | LOL. |
| 01:49.52 | DWSR | i dunno, this stuff isn't really that difficult. |
| 01:49.53 | Zenkai_WrA | Why not? |
| 01:50.08 | DWSR | Zenkai_WrA: Because the code is awful? |
| 01:50.24 | Zenkai_WrA | If it's anything like the book, it's messy. |
| 01:50.29 | Arrowmaster | because in the past DBM copied boss module code line for line from BigWigs? |
| 01:50.33 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:50.48 | Zenkai_WrA | Wow. That's lame. |
| 01:51.55 | Zenkai_WrA | I was just wondering. I was gonna rant about how he can't go 5 pages without some errata, and it's really informal. :| |
| 01:52.10 | DWSR | ~wowprogramming |
| 01:52.11 | purl | [wowprogramming] World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 01:52.15 | WobWork | ^ |
| 01:52.15 | Gagorian | "Paul Emmerich is one of the programmers behind Deadly Boss Mods, one of the most famous World of Warcraft add-ons ever with over 8 million users worldwide." |
| 01:52.18 | Arrowmaster | if you wanted a book you should have gotten wowprograming |
| 01:52.26 | DWSR | WoWP > |
| 01:52.29 | Gagorian | Based on what math is DBM used by over 8 million people? |
| 01:52.31 | WobWork | * |
| 01:52.37 | WobWork | Gagorian: downloads? |
| 01:52.39 | WobWork | maybe? |
| 01:52.40 | DWSR | Gagorian: Probably downloads. |
| 01:52.42 | WobWork | overall =P |
| 01:53.00 | Arrowmaster | Gagorian: the 'pull numbers out of your ass to impress the publisher into giving you money to write a shitty book' math |
| 01:53.04 | Zenkai_WrA | I just bought the e-book. More convenient, less expensive. |
| 01:53.20 | Zenkai_WrA | I wish I woulda gone with that one, though. |
| 01:53.27 | Gagorian | Arrowmaster: Yeah seems so :D |
| 01:54.14 | DWSR | Downloads Total:18,321,66 |
| 01:54.17 | WobWork | Downloads Total:18,321,700 |
| 01:54.18 | Shadowed | I remember when DBM loaded their slash commands through loadstring |
| 01:54.20 | Shadowed | that was funny |
| 01:54.31 | WobWork | DWSR: ... 66? |
| 01:54.45 | DWSR | 665* |
| 01:54.48 | DWSR | No idea. |
| 01:54.55 | Gagorian | Now if you take into account the addon is updated at least once in two weeks |
| 01:55.02 | Zenkai_WrA | Anyway, this is a nice break from what I typically do. I'm an Asm programmer, and I still have to refer to WoWWiki to know what the hell's going on sometimes. |
| 01:55.05 | Gagorian | His users updated the addon on average one time? |
| 01:55.12 | Shadowed | oh hey |
| 01:55.14 | Shadowed | DBM book |
| 01:55.19 | DWSR | fail |
| 01:55.36 | WobWork | Zenkai_WrA: I'm so subsumed into the Interwebs, I read that as "Azn programmer" |
| 01:55.43 | Shadowed | I kind of want to buy the book to see how it is |
| 01:55.44 | Zenkai_WrA | LOL |
| 01:56.09 | Gagorian | What you'll learn |
| 01:56.11 | Gagorian | "Become the coolest character on your serverwith tools and scripts that will make your friends gasp." |
| 01:56.15 | Gagorian | rofl |
| 01:56.31 | DWSR | seriously? |
| 01:56.44 | WobWork | rofl |
| 01:56.49 | Shadowed | Oh hey, the examples are public |
| 01:57.19 | WobWork | hm |
| 01:57.30 | WobWork | from the looks of the downloads over past versions |
| 01:57.42 | WobWork | I'd give it 400,000 at max regular users |
| 01:57.48 | WobWork | and that's optomistic |
| 01:57.55 | Shadowed | what's BW? |
| 01:58.00 | WobWork | Bigwigs? |
| 01:58.06 | DWSR | mhm] |
| 01:58.10 | Cairenn | black & white |
| 01:58.12 | Shadowed | Is there any other boss mods with the abbreviation of BW? :P |
| 01:58.17 | Shadowed | that's not a smartass like Cairenn |
| 01:58.27 | WobWork | Cairenn is a boss mod? |
| 01:58.32 | Shadowed | yes |
| 01:58.33 | Cairenn | flutters her lashes innocently |
| 01:58.34 | Shadowed | the hardest boss of them all |
| 01:58.37 | Gnarfoz | ba-dum-tshh |
| 01:58.42 | WobWork | INCOMING TENTACLE PARTY |
| 01:58.57 | WobWork | ~c'thun |
| 01:58.57 | purl | WobWork: Is that a tentacle in your pants or are you happy to see me? |
| 01:59.04 | Zenkai_WrA | You can't deny it's a pretty good addon, but...did they really steal code from another mod? |
| 02:00.05 | Zenkai_WrA | Hold up. |
| 02:00.55 | WobWork | puts his hands up |
| 02:01.08 | Dagmar | Oh! WobWork... |
| 02:01.18 | Dagmar | That thing yesterday with me gettin' a guy fired at the airport... |
| 02:01.22 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30638 << title bugs me |
| 02:01.38 | Dagmar | I had something going in my favor at the time. That was when UA had their little union walk-out tiff |
| 02:01.40 | Zenkai_WrA | Yeah, in a community where your source IS going to be looked at, I wouldn't copy code from any addon. Why would you need to? |
| 02:01.56 | Shadowed | Cairenn your avatar is scary |
| 02:01.59 | Shadowed | go with the old one |
| 02:02.02 | Cairenn | no |
| 02:02.06 | Shadowed | :( |
| 02:02.06 | Dagmar | Wobwork: They canned a bunch of people for showing up specifically to do a bad job |
| 02:02.16 | DWSR | Cairenn: You watching the opening? |
| 02:02.20 | Cairenn | of course |
| 02:02.30 | foxlit | Your text is also unreadable, Cairenn. |
| 02:02.47 | Dagmar | Zenkai: When you start having to copy someone's code it's time to talk to them about breaking it out into an API |
| 02:02.48 | Cairenn | I know, I'm working on it |
| 02:02.55 | DWSR | Man, I'm jealous of this snowboarder. |
| 02:02.57 | foxlit | It's black on black with minimal antialiasing |
| 02:03.03 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 02:03.33 | Shadowed | Also is that creepy giant thing sprouting fog |
| 02:03.35 | Shadowed | or am I crazy |
| 02:03.56 | DWSR | Cairenn: THAT'S AWESOME |
| 02:04.14 | Zenkai_WrA | Oh, I just had a weird moment. I was browsing the UI forums and found one of Cairenn's posts. |
| 02:04.25 | Zenkai_WrA | And I was like, "Hey, I've seen that name before!" |
| 02:04.38 | Zenkai_WrA | (-_-) ADD. |
| 02:05.06 | Cairenn | blarg, this isn't scaling nicely at all |
| 02:05.25 | DWSR | OMG HARPER BOWL CUT |
| 02:06.02 | Snigermis | ok my server is down time to learn som lua ;P |
| 02:06.17 | DWSR | Cairenn: Which channel are you watching? |
| 02:06.20 | Snigermis | anyone have a nice tutorial on unitframes. or actionbars? |
| 02:06.22 | Cairenn | CTV |
| 02:06.32 | DWSR | You getting a little Omni logo in the corner? |
| 02:06.39 | DWSR | Because I *thought* I was watching CTV.. |
| 02:06.41 | Zenkai_WrA | Snigermis, there's really a general lack of tutorials out there. |
| 02:06.50 | Zenkai_WrA | I found out recently. |
| 02:06.52 | Snigermis | ye i noticed ;P |
| 02:07.01 | Snigermis | specially on the stuff that matters ;P |
| 02:07.02 | DWSR | ah, here we go. |
| 02:07.20 | Snigermis | I'm working on my own addon.. but its kinda hard when theres no tuts. ;P |
| 02:07.23 | Zenkai_WrA | You're probably not going to find one that specific. Unitframes are one of the harder mods to make. |
| 02:07.27 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:07.31 | Cairenn | DWSR: Channel 7 :p |
| 02:07.34 | foxlit | There is plenty of reference material. |
| 02:07.35 | Snigermis | only a book I'll never buy |
| 02:07.37 | DWSR | If you're looking into making a UnitFrame, I suggest that you use oUF instead. |
| 02:07.43 | foxlit | Not much of it, however, is in tutorial form. |
| 02:08.01 | Snigermis | but what shall i use reference material for when i dont know what goes where and how stuff is built up ;P |
| 02:08.03 | DWSR | Cairenn: mhm. I normally only watch Discovery. Dunno when the last time I changed the channel on this TV is,. |
| 02:08.17 | Zenkai_WrA | I <3 Discovery. |
| 02:08.20 | Cairenn | yeah, mine is on that channel a lot too, but for this I'll switch |
| 02:08.23 | Arrowmaster | i dont even have a working TV |
| 02:08.25 | DWSR | Cairenn: Can you please explain to me why Harper looks like such a douche. >.< |
| 02:09.04 | DWSR | They panned to him and he looked like he was like "What the fuck? Why am I here?" |
| 02:09.23 | Zenkai_WrA | I have a question about oUF, actually. Is "labeling" the only thing it makes easier? |
| 02:09.42 | DWSR | Zenkai_WrA: No. It does lots of other stuff too. |
| 02:09.46 | Cairenn | offs ... WHY do people always have to do stupid ass things to national anthems? |
| 02:09.54 | Zenkai_WrA | I'll look into it more when I get the chance. |
| 02:10.01 | DWSR | Cairenn: ? |
| 02:10.01 | foxlit | The problem with unit frames is that there's a myriad of event and update conditions that you have to bother with. |
| 02:10.03 | Cairenn | sing it the way it's supposed to be sung, you twit |
| 02:10.09 | DWSR | Cairenn: Amen./ |
| 02:10.13 | DWSR | Oh christ. |
| 02:10.19 | DWSR | Here we go, the bilingual version |
| 02:10.19 | foxlit | Getting an actual frame to behave the right way is easy. Visualizing everything you want to visualize is hard. |
| 02:10.26 | Cairenn | I have no problem with that |
| 02:10.34 | DWSR | Cairenn: I do. Sing it in English and then in French. |
| 02:10.37 | DWSR | We have 2 languages. Abuse it. |
| 02:10.43 | Cairenn | I have a problem with it being sung at the speed of a dirge! |
| 02:10.46 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 02:10.50 | DWSR | Cairenn: Amen. |
| 02:11.07 | robotusch | How the hell can that chick only be 16 :/ |
| 02:11.14 | DWSR | robotusch: Dunno, but she's got pipes. |
| 02:11.16 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
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| 02:11.25 | Dagmar | robotusch: You should remember to check driver's licences if you can't tell |
| 02:11.29 | Snigermis | will actionbars be easier to start with? |
| 02:11.33 | robotusch | :< |
| 02:11.41 | Arrowmaster | Snigermis: not really |
| 02:11.42 | DWSR | Snigermis: Not to be blunt, but why are you bothering to reinvent the wheel? |
| 02:11.42 | Gagorian | Arrowmaster: So he's called Paul Emmerich. Like Roland Emmerich and his movie 2012. The entire movie is copied from other movies. It may look good, and has been seen by tons of people but it's still shit. Is that a standard concept for germans called Emmerich? |
| 02:11.44 | robotusch | That'll put a damper on the mood for sure |
| 02:11.45 | Zenkai_WrA | foxlit: Yeah, I spent like a week just learning Lua+API just by looking at everything that makes up TukUI, and I found that the unitframes were one of the only things I didn't completely understand. |
| 02:11.58 | Arrowmaster | Gagorian: what? |
| 02:12.05 | Snigermis | hehe |
| 02:12.07 | Gagorian | Arrowmaster: That DBM guy |
| 02:12.10 | DWSR | WOW. |
| 02:12.12 | DWSR | She can sing. |
| 02:12.14 | Dagmar | robotusch: So will seeing your face in the paper up on statutory charges |
| 02:12.23 | Seerah | Snigermis: if you're just learning, start with something small/simple, or modify something pre-existing (again, simple) |
| 02:12.24 | Cairenn | 15'll get you 29 |
| 02:12.24 | Snigermis | because the wheel needs to be reinvented for my addon.. |
| 02:12.26 | Cairenn | 20* |
| 02:12.37 | Snigermis | everything in fixed location when you start up |
| 02:12.42 | Snigermis | the way it should be.. |
| 02:12.58 | Gagorian | Arrowmaster: I was comparing DBM to the movie 2012, if you've seen it |
| 02:12.59 | DWSR | Oh god. >.< |
| 02:13.10 | Cairenn | DWSR: remember our conversation from the other day |
| 02:13.13 | Shadowed | You will learn better by starting simple and building up, action bars aren't the most simple thing to do. |
| 02:13.13 | Cairenn | don't push me |
| 02:13.18 | DWSR | Cairenn: No, not that. |
| 02:13.35 | Cairenn | (sorry, thought you were responding to the ceremonies) |
| 02:13.37 | Zenkai_WrA | The way I learned was from gluing my face to my monitor and figuring out how TukUI works. Honestly, go to tukui.org, get the mod, and start learning. |
| 02:13.38 | DWSR | No. |
| 02:13.40 | Shadowed | And you won't likely see people being patient enough to walk you through the entire process :p |
| 02:13.44 | Snigermis | naa tired of havent 12 alts and setting it up on all of em.. or having 30 addons that cant even cross char keep or use profiling properly |
| 02:14.11 | DWSR | Cairenn: For the ceremony, I honestly don't mind this. |
| 02:14.12 | Shadowed | Most addons use libraries to control their profiles. Just look through the addons and swap them to use a default profile |
| 02:14.25 | Seerah | Reflux, imo |
| 02:14.31 | Shadowed | Reflux is pretty evil :p |
| 02:14.39 | elec | hi is there no way to cast lifetap every 40 secs from a makro ? no timer functions ? is it possible from an addon ??? |
| 02:14.43 | DWSR | Cairenn: If it were most any other province, I'd accuse them of pandering. BC has a much stronger native presence. |
| 02:14.47 | DWSR | elec: No. |
| 02:14.47 | Shadowed | no no and no elec |
| 02:14.57 | DWSR | elec: You can not get the game to play itself for you, elec. |
| 02:15.03 | cbreak | elec: if you want to bot |
| 02:15.05 | Zenkai_WrA | Has anyone ever looked into TukUI? I just got it to look at the source, but I ended up using it for my own UI. |
| 02:15.07 | cbreak | play a different game |
| 02:15.08 | elec | ok thx |
| 02:15.08 | Seerah | Shadowed: meh, if it works for him, it works :) |
| 02:15.14 | Snigermis | tukui doesnt exist ;P |
| 02:15.14 | cbreak | WoW is quite well secured |
| 02:15.20 | Arrowmaster | Zenkai_WrA: never even heard of it |
| 02:15.26 | DWSR | Also, the statues are awesome looking Cairenn. |
| 02:15.27 | Shadowed | Seerah: I'm surprised it doesn't hit some sort of memory limits in SV |
| 02:15.29 | Zenkai_WrA | Arrowmaster: It's cool. |
| 02:15.41 | Dagmar | Any minute now the boss will come out and start kicking some asses |
| 02:15.55 | Seerah | Zenkai_WrA: last I looked at TukUI, it was full of lua files from other addons smushed together to make the tukUI addon |
| 02:16.00 | DWSR | ^^ |
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| 02:16.07 | DWSR | Tuk is just glue between different addons |
| 02:16.21 | elec | is it hard to add a button to the calendar that imports all members from a group to an event ? |
| 02:16.22 | Shadowed | 99.99% of UIs are glues of different addons. |
| 02:16.26 | Zenkai_WrA | Troof. |
| 02:16.35 | Dagmar | Looks like they're planning on doing this ceremony in hard mode. All four ice injuns are still up |
| 02:16.43 | DWSR | Dagmar: ROFL |
| 02:17.01 | Seerah | but TukUI took those addons and took the lua files and put them in a TukUI addon folder instead of keeping them separate (I'm honestly still not sure if Tukz got permission to do that or not) |
| 02:17.01 | DWSR | Any minute now I'm expect Brann Bronzebeard to come in over the radio., |
| 02:17.14 | Shadowed | Seerah I doubt that :p |
| 02:17.19 | DWSR | ^ |
| 02:17.24 | Arrowmaster | just put in the last dvd of the last season of Farscape |
| 02:17.28 | DWSR | "Ok, I'll speak to you via the radio" |
| 02:17.37 | Seerah | At the same time as that "new version" came out, he also removed the listing of which addons were included in his UI |
| 02:17.41 | Zenkai_WrA | No, but seriously, it gives credit to each addon it uses. At least. |
| 02:17.51 | DWSR | Zenkai_WrA: Not anymore it doesn't. |
| 02:18.02 | Shadowed | Seerah: I'm not necessarily sure that';s a bad thing. But removing what addons you took is a bit assholeish |
| 02:18.14 | Zenkai_WrA | My version does. Odd. How new is "anymore"? |
| 02:18.14 | Shadowed | and basically hiding it all |
| 02:18.23 | Seerah | if you open it up, it's got a file from OmniCC, from oUF, etc. |
| 02:18.28 | Shadowed | yea I see, looking through it |
| 02:18.36 | Shadowed | teksLoot, caelnameplates and such |
| 02:18.52 | Zenkai_WrA | From what I saw, it credited the bag module, the nameplates module, and...the...let me look. |
| 02:19.05 | Shadowed | Most of it's not credited from what I see |
| 02:19.09 | Zenkai_WrA | Oh. |
| 02:19.09 | DWSR | I don't see why people need to add additional Lua files to make "UI glue" |
| 02:19.14 | Seerah | Zenkai_WrA: not on the main download sites, though. and ^^ |
| 02:19.25 | Zenkai_WrA | That's true. Oh well. |
| 02:19.38 | DWSR | I mean, lots of people use a mod like kgpanels. |
| 02:19.43 | DWSR | The frames are all scriptable. |
| 02:19.45 | DWSR | gg. |
| 02:20.05 | Shadowed | Seerah: I dislike it cause it mentions memory, that's enough reason :p |
| 02:20.23 | Seerah | you're not easy to please ;) |
| 02:20.28 | Shirik | http://probablybadnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/129092630486055605.jpg |
| 02:20.28 | Shadowed | I am not! |
| 02:20.33 | Zenkai_WrA | IMHO, it'd be easier just to bite the bullet and make all the functionality from scratch instead of stripping down an addon and adapting it and turning it into a module. |
| 02:20.35 | Shadowed | I am a picky bastard |
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| 02:20.38 | Shadowed | haha Shirik |
| 02:20.39 | DWSR | Cairenn: I like the display. The length is....lengthy. |
| 02:20.47 | Shadowed | Zenkai_WrA: It really is not |
| 02:20.57 | Cairenn | opening ceremonies are always long |
| 02:20.58 | Seerah | huggles Shirik |
| 02:21.04 | DWSR | tru.dat |
| 02:21.07 | Shirik | tickles Seerah |
| 02:21.12 | WobWork | DWSR: that's good! Idiots coming to deliberately sabotage their own business should get what they deserve |
| 02:21.14 | Lopeppeppy | Ceremony, by nature, is long. |
| 02:21.54 | DWSR | Do the nations go in Alpha? |
| 02:22.05 | DWSR | Obviously not. |
| 02:22.11 | WobWork | Cairenn: your avatar has sexy legs |
| 02:22.18 | Cairenn | doesn't it though? |
| 02:22.22 | Zenkai_WrA | Well, it's not hard. It might take longer, but it's not hard. This is Lua. No one can tell me it's hard. Tell them to start creating device drivers in assembly, and then judge if it's hard. |
| 02:22.25 | DWSR | Wait, wtf? |
| 02:22.30 | DWSR | Albania has *1* athlete? |
| 02:22.47 | WobWork | reminds me of that swimmer =) |
| 02:23.19 | WobWork | Eric the Eel |
| 02:23.24 | Shirik | http://probablybadnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/129092631301685825.jpg |
| 02:23.25 | Shirik | this site is fun |
| 02:23.35 | Cairenn | DWSR: yes, it's going alphabetically, with 2 exceptions (the same 2 as always) - Greece is always the first, and the host country is always the last |
| 02:23.37 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 02:23.49 | foxlit | I recall seeing both of those somewhere. I wonder why. |
| 02:24.02 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zjCc_VyxM4 |
| 02:24.07 | DWSR | foxlit: An article labelling "10 most obvious news articles" |
| 02:24.11 | DWSR | foxlit: IT was linked in here |
| 02:24.19 | foxlit | A fair while back? |
| 02:24.29 | DWSR | mhm |
| 02:24.38 | Zenkai_WrA | The only reason I got the book was because the WoW API isn't brilliantly documented. There's still a relatively large amount of API functionality that doesn't have a page on WoWWiki. |
| 02:24.57 | WobWork | ~wowprogramming |
| 02:24.58 | purl | from memory, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 02:25.03 | WobWork | api ^ |
| 02:25.08 | Zenkai_WrA | Does the WoWProgramming site document the entire API? |
| 02:25.12 | DWSR | yes |
| 02:25.17 | foxlit | mostly. |
| 02:25.19 | Shadowed | It doesn't actually, but it's more complete |
| 02:25.22 | Snigermis | mostly i would say ;P |
| 02:25.26 | WobWork | as much as it can, I'd say |
| 02:25.35 | Shadowed | pretty much has everything except the new 3.3 functions |
| 02:25.37 | Arrowmaster | way more than wowwiki |
| 02:25.55 | foxlit | Neither is a strict superset, really. |
| 02:26.17 | Seerah | ~addon kit |
| 02:26.18 | purl | well, addon kit is Located at http://tinyurl.com/addonkit the addonkit is "The World of Warcraft User Interface Customization tool that allows users to tweak and customize the User Interface." |
| 02:26.22 | Shadowed | ^ best documentation |
| 02:26.23 | Zenkai_WrA | I'm juts suprised there isn't a formal documentation of it by Blizzard. In the UI pack, I think there's like 2 examples, and one of them is -way- outdated/ |
| 02:26.26 | Zenkai_WrA | Doesn't even work. |
| 02:26.27 | Seerah | ^^ that's the complete api |
| 02:26.30 | Snigermis | ok tell me somehting eas to start on... minimap and renderarea already done ;P |
| 02:26.33 | Shadowed | API is unofficial |
| 02:26.34 | foxlit | FrameXML is awesome <3 |
| 02:26.44 | WobWork | Eric the Eel was awesome |
| 02:26.52 | foxlit | But I don't think it actually uses all API functions. |
| 02:27.01 | Zenkai_WrA | *just |
| 02:27.06 | Shadowed | foxlit: SendAddonMEssage! |
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| 02:27.20 | foxlit | auction data mass-requesting |
| 02:27.21 | Shadowed | I can't think of an API I've ran into that the UI doesn't use |
| 02:27.29 | foxlit | quest data requesting |
| 02:27.41 | Shadowed | mass requesting auction data is the same function, just an argument thought |
| 02:28.11 | foxlit | Profiler functions? |
| 02:28.28 | Shadowed | fair |
| 02:28.36 | Arrowmaster | secure frames, its implemented in FrameXML but its never really used |
| 02:28.38 | Snigermis | i dont get why do they make 2 lines of the <ui> tag |
| 02:28.54 | DWSR | Snigermis: Line width. |
| 02:28.58 | Shadowed | theres documentation for those thought Arrowmaster |
| 02:28.59 | Snigermis | oh |
| 02:29.03 | Shadowed | from Iriel |
| 02:29.21 | Arrowmaster | right because iriel wrote them instead of some blizzard lacky |
| 02:29.33 | Shadowed | Iriel is the unofficial Blizzard lacky! |
| 02:29.42 | foxlit | *lackey |
| 02:30.02 | Shadowed | he and alestane were the ones who wrote it thought, so not surprising that Iriel did the API |
| 02:30.14 | Zenkai_WrA | But seriously, as big as the WoW playerbase is, and as big as Blizzard is, you'd think they'd make a formal documentation of the API. |
| 02:30.31 | foxlit | They had plans. I do wonder what happened to those. |
| 02:30.45 | WobWork | They probably don't |
| 02:30.49 | foxlit | Maybe kd3 knows. |
| 02:30.51 | WobWork | because they don't want to be held responsible =P |
| 02:30.56 | Seerah | addons aren't supported, so I guess documenting it isn't a priority |
| 02:31.15 | Shadowed | and it's extra work on patches |
| 02:31.21 | WobWork | without an official api, they can change anything and everything with impunity |
| 02:31.25 | Lopeppeppy | They offer it to the players to play with, and take no responsibility or support the addons. So why would they do extra work for it? |
| 02:31.26 | Zenkai_WrA | They really should. I don't think that someone who wants to start making addons should -have- to rely on a broken account of API or buying a book. Amirite? o.o |
| 02:31.28 | WobWork | without having to field complaints |
| 02:31.41 | Shadowed | You don't need to |
| 02:31.51 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. You can explore, the same way the authors did. |
| 02:31.54 | WobWork | Zenkai_WrA: it's already 100 times better than any other game out there |
| 02:31.56 | Shadowed | What Lopeppeppy said |
| 02:31.57 | Seerah | Zenkai_WrA: you're still missing the point that addons aren't supported :) |
| 02:32.10 | foxlit | We live in a perpetual state of apathy |
| 02:32.25 | Shadowed | It's really not that hard to learn the API, you just have to be good at researching and looking through code |
| 02:32.26 | WobWork | well I don't |
| 02:32.30 | WobWork | couldn't be bothered to =P |
| 02:32.30 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 02:32.34 | Snigermis | no but they could still make a documentation just to make it better ;P |
| 02:32.46 | Lopeppeppy | No, and they shouldn't. |
| 02:32.49 | foxlit | People who /can/ write documentation don't have a reason to do so. |
| 02:32.50 | WobWork | that' implies support =P |
| 02:32.55 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 02:32.57 | DWSR | Documentation implies support. |
| 02:33.01 | DWSR | Which Blizzard expressly doesn't. |
| 02:33.04 | Seerah | and they would have to keep it updated |
| 02:33.07 | foxlit | People who want documentation generally can't write it. |
| 02:33.09 | Seerah | which also implies support |
| 02:33.13 | Shadowed | There's a reason whenever something breaks, GMs tell you to delete your Addons, WTF and Cache folders. |
| 02:33.19 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:33.21 | Lopeppeppy | Therefore.... |
| 02:33.32 | Shadowed | candy grows on trees? |
| 02:33.35 | Lopeppeppy | Yum. |
| 02:33.39 | Shirik | omg I want a candy tree |
| 02:33.43 | Zenkai_WrA | It's not like they're indifferent to players making addons. They base a lot of the freaking interface around allowing players to make and use them. At least document it. |
| 02:33.44 | Shadowed | no candy tree for you |
| 02:33.46 | Lopeppeppy | OMG you have ice cream. |
| 02:33.50 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:33.57 | Shadowed | what you have icecrown? |
| 02:33.58 | Shirik | gives Lopeppeppy an ice cream |
| 02:33.59 | Shadowed | cream |
| 02:34.01 | Shadowed | creammmmm |
| 02:34.04 | *** join/#wowuidev p3lim (~Miranda@85.108.34.95.customer.cdi.no) |
| 02:34.09 | WobWork | get on top |
| 02:34.11 | Shadowed | This is why you don't get a candy tree |
| 02:34.16 | Seerah | o.O |
| 02:34.18 | Shirik | why not T_T |
| 02:34.20 | WobWork | shaboogie and rock |
| 02:34.27 | Lopeppeppy | Sharktopus. |
| 02:34.37 | Lopeppeppy | Who is gonna watch that with me when it comes on ScyFy? |
| 02:34.44 | Shadowed | Lopeppeppy wah |
| 02:35.30 | Legorol|alt | Zenkai_WrA: the addon developer community seems to strive even without documentation. So why should they bother? |
| 02:35.36 | Lopeppeppy | You know I loved Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus. How can I resist this? |
| 02:36.25 | Seerah | Zenkai_WrA and Snigermis: we don't mean to jump on you about it. Documentation would be nice. :) But it's not going to happen. :) |
| 02:36.28 | Zenkai_WrA | Because when I started, I had no idea where to look, TBH. If I weren't as hardheaded and persistent as I am, I woulda never learned. |
| 02:36.50 | WobWork | "The resemblance between us all is now startlingly clonal." |
| 02:36.55 | Legorol | Blizzard doesn't care if you manage to right an addon or not. Your monthly subscription doesn't include a right to be able to make addons. |
| 02:36.59 | WobWork | What that man does with words... |
| 02:37.05 | Zenkai_WrA | I really don't care. It's a given that when you release software functionality, you document it. Unless you're a retard. |
| 02:37.16 | WobWork | Zenkai_WrA: lies =P |
| 02:37.16 | Zenkai_WrA | They're a part of the software development world. |
| 02:37.21 | foxlit | Who is to say internal docs don't exist? |
| 02:37.23 | foxlit | :) |
| 02:37.25 | Legorol | I think that's where you are going wrong. It's not a functionality that's a right. |
| 02:37.29 | Legorol | It's an undocumented feature. |
| 02:37.35 | Legorol | You an use it at your own risk. That's it. |
| 02:37.38 | WobWork | We use a back door! |
| 02:37.48 | WobWork | all addon authors are sekritly hacxkers |
| 02:37.57 | Lopeppeppy | They're letting us graciously play in their backyard. They are NOT obligated to mow the lawn for us, provide us with lemonade, or put up with it when we pee in the sandbox. |
| 02:37.59 | Shadowed | That's a better way of looking at it |
| 02:38.01 | Legorol | omg, wob, the secret is out |
| 02:38.11 | WobWork | Good thing we're on IRC |
| 02:38.11 | Shadowed | The fact that we can write addons for WoW is basically an "accident" |
| 02:38.12 | Zenkai_WrA | That's like if I went and made a Blutooth framework for low-layer computing, and said it was the greatest thing that had ever been programmed, and then released it without documenting it. Toof. |
| 02:38.15 | WobWork | They can screenshot the convo! |
| 02:38.32 | Legorol | Zenkai_WrA: the thing is though, Blizz hasn't released an addon framework. |
| 02:38.42 | Legorol | They just allowed us to modify what is there. |
| 02:38.48 | Zenkai_WrA | Shadowed: It's not an accident. They based a lot of the functionality about addons. |
| 02:38.53 | Shadowed | sure it is |
| 02:38.53 | Legorol | I think you are going wrong in that you are assuming that it's officially released. It's not. |
| 02:38.57 | Lopeppeppy | The game runs fine without addons. |
| 02:39.01 | WobWork | it's not an accident |
| 02:39.04 | WobWork | it's also not a feature |
| 02:39.07 | Shadowed | That's also why I put accident in quotes |
| 02:39.16 | Shadowed | obviously it's not an accident |
| 02:39.25 | Lopeppeppy | Anyway, Peppy is off to bed. G'night, normal people. |
| 02:39.27 | Legorol | see Paid Character Transfer. It's a privilege, not a right. You pay for it. |
| 02:39.30 | Shadowed | it's only 7 PM! |
| 02:39.31 | WobWork | who? |
| 02:39.41 | Shadowed | Also. If people really wanted to use your Blutooth framework, they'd figure out how it works. |
| 02:39.45 | Cairenn | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 02:39.52 | DWSR | Cairenn: notice how empty the seating is? |
| 02:39.56 | Shadowed | It might not be very popular, but people who really wanted to do it probably could |
| 02:40.23 | Shadowed | WoW just happens to be a bit different in that Lua is straightforward-ish and popular enough to have a good community who helps people learn |
| 02:40.23 | Legorol | at the end of the day, the community has created reasonable documentation |
| 02:40.28 | Zenkai_WrA | It's not an accident. If it were an accident, they wouldn't allow you to load addons. They wouldn't have made an entire Lua library. |
| 02:40.33 | Shadowed | rolleyes |
| 02:40.34 | cbreak | 03:40:30 +0100 |
| 02:40.34 | Zenkai_WrA | Yeah they do. |
| 02:40.49 | Snigermis | did blizzard invent lua? |
| 02:40.52 | Shadowed | no |
| 02:40.52 | cbreak | no |
| 02:40.53 | DWSR | no |
| 02:40.54 | Zenkai_WrA | no. |
| 02:40.58 | WobWork | no |
| 02:41.01 | Shadowed | (no) |
| 02:41.03 | WobWork | wait |
| 02:41.04 | Legorol | Zenkai_WrA: let's not beat around the bush. Of course Blizzard likes it if people make addons. They themselves benefit a lot from it. |
| 02:41.05 | WobWork | yws |
| 02:41.06 | WobWork | no |
| 02:41.07 | WobWork | no |
| 02:41.12 | WobWork | Zenkai_WrA: where did we agree that it was an actual accident? |
| 02:41.13 | Snigermis | <Zenkai_WrA> It's not an accident. If it were an accident, they wouldn't allow you to load addons. They wouldn't have made an entire Lua library. <-- then that statement is kinda wrong ;P |
| 02:41.14 | Shadowed | WobWork flipflopper |
| 02:41.18 | cbreak | http://www.lua.org/ |
| 02:41.25 | Legorol | However! Just because you benefit from something doesn't mean that you have to put effort into it beyond a certain amount, especially not if you haven't promised you would. |
| 02:41.27 | DWSR | Legorol: You mean by shamelessly ripping off addon functionality and incorporating it into the base UI? |
| 02:41.28 | Shadowed | I'm never going to vote for you |
| 02:41.40 | Legorol | That's what it comes down to. No promises were made about the availability of addons. |
| 02:41.46 | Dagmar | You've seen the forums |
| 02:41.47 | Legorol | DWSR: of course |
| 02:41.49 | Zenkai_WrA | When did they release the UI extractor? Hmm? |
| 02:42.01 | WobWork | Vote 1 or 0: WobWork! A vote for Wob is a vote for ambiguity! |
| 02:42.02 | Shadowed | look, I can summarize this easily |
| 02:42.08 | Legorol | Zenkai_WrA: actually, initially they didn't. |
| 02:42.14 | Dagmar | Do you have ANY idea how much health insurance for Blizzard employees would cost if they saddled any poor employee with the task of explaining lua to *those* people? |
| 02:42.16 | Zenkai_WrA | Exactly. |
| 02:42.19 | Legorol | people used custom MPQ extractors for a long time |
| 02:42.25 | Legorol | even then, already, UI modding was encouraged |
| 02:42.25 | Zenkai_WrA | Exactly. |
| 02:42.34 | Dagmar | Let alone how hard it would be to hire someone into that position, knowing that the last six replacements were all because of suicides? |
| 02:42.37 | Legorol | there is a big differnce though between *encourage* and *support* |
| 02:42.43 | Shadowed | Addons are unsupported. You can argue how this is wrong or they should support it, but that doesn't make you right. Blizzard sometimes helps authors out, but most of the time we have to play by their rules. |
| 02:42.45 | WobWork | Zenkai_WrA: I'm still waiting for the actual official support? |
| 02:43.09 | Shadowed | It doesn't matter what they should do, that's how it is. |
| 02:43.16 | Legorol | You encourage your kids to play sports, but you don't necessarily pay for their football coach |
| 02:43.29 | WobWork | that was a terrible analogy =P |
| 02:43.29 | Legorol | encourage vs. support |
| 02:43.36 | Shadowed | yea that was pretty bad :p |
| 02:43.39 | Legorol | bah |
| 02:43.53 | Legorol | i'm going out on a limb here to support my argument, even though i don't need to :P |
| 02:43.57 | WobWork | since you indirectly pay for the football coach through school fees or taxes =P |
| 02:43.58 | Shadowed | indeed! |
| 02:44.00 | Legorol | i just need to encourage discussion |
| 02:44.28 | Zenkai_WrA | All I'm saying is that if you create a whole UI library so that the UI can be easily modded, you don't just do it for shits and giggles. </topic> |
| 02:44.34 | Legorol | Zenkai_WrA: don't get me wrong, the lack of documentation can and has been frustrating. |
| 02:44.43 | Shadowed | There isn't a UI library? |
| 02:44.47 | Legorol | We'd all love it if there was an official one. But we are fine without it too, and we understand that Blizz didn't promise it to us. |
| 02:44.48 | Dagmar | Zenkai_WrA: You are mistaken |
| 02:45.01 | Dagmar | Zenkai_WrA: It wasn't written for other people to use. |
| 02:45.05 | WobWork | Zenkai_WrA: they wrote all that for their own internal addons |
| 02:45.11 | Shadowed | Yea the API is for Blizzards UI, which is all Lua |
| 02:45.12 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:45.17 | Dagmar | It was written for responsible, productive, Blizzard employees to use and was simply not locked down. |
| 02:45.30 | DWSR | It's a happy accident. |
| 02:45.32 | DWSR | Just like you! :P |
| 02:45.39 | WobWork | serendipity! |
| 02:46.05 | cbreak | there are a lot of functions that are written for addons these days |
| 02:46.07 | WobWork | (doo dah dipity day) |
| 02:46.19 | Snigermis | wonder how long it would take lizzard to implement a spamscript in trade chat on server side |
| 02:46.30 | DWSR | Snigermis: Forever. |
| 02:46.35 | Snigermis | if people spam multiple lines of the same.. BAN for 72 hours ;P |
| 02:46.37 | Legorol | Zenkai_WrA: did you know that when WoW was initially launched, there wasn't even such a thing as "addons"? you modded the UI by modifying and replacing one or more of the files in the original UI files |
| 02:46.39 | cbreak | until it's done |
| 02:46.40 | DWSR | A simple anal [link] filter would be really nice |
| 02:46.54 | Snigermis | prat3 is awesome ;P |
| 02:46.54 | Shadowed | oh god |
| 02:46.55 | WobWork | DWSR: you can write your own =P |
| 02:46.57 | Snigermis | and spamthrottle ;P |
| 02:46.57 | Zenkai_WrA | No, I didn't, I'll admit. :| |
| 02:46.59 | DWSR | WobWork: Yeah. |
| 02:47.02 | Shadowed | that was pretty funny Legorol |
| 02:47.07 | Legorol | the ability to separate modifications into addons, and load them as individual modules, came later |
| 02:47.09 | DWSR | WobWork: I have Prat3, I should figure out how to do that |
| 02:47.14 | Legorol | Shadowed: tell me about it.. |
| 02:47.23 | Legorol | those were the days :D |
| 02:47.28 | DWSR | Yep |
| 02:47.33 | DWSR | Back when Addons could actually break your client |
| 02:47.40 | WobWork | pft, they still can |
| 02:47.43 | DWSR | Lies |
| 02:47.46 | DWSR | Now you just unload them |
| 02:47.47 | WobWork | you're clearly not trying hard enough |
| 02:47.52 | DWSR | probably not |
| 02:47.56 | Legorol | DWSR: back then you could just delete the modded files :P |
| 02:47.56 | Zenkai_WrA | I live, eat, and breathe software development. I would never even think about releasing functionality that would allow the end user (see: customer) customize my software without documenting it. That's just idiotic. |
| 02:48.08 | Cairenn | also, please allow me to point out that - the entire UI modability was written by one of their programmers in his spare time, there hadn't been any original intent to allow mods to start with |
| 02:48.09 | WobWork | Zenkai_WrA: You ~= Blizzard |
| 02:48.18 | Zenkai_WrA | I know. I'm just saying. |
| 02:48.25 | DWSR | WobWork: Assertion Failed. |
| 02:48.28 | WobWork | And we're saying that it doesn't matter =P |
| 02:48.32 | Legorol | Zenkai_WrA: again, that's where you are going wrong. Blizzard didn't say: "here is a feature to customise it". They just said: "we won't get angry if you do mod it". |
| 02:48.35 | DWSR | WobWork: Please use correct Lua syntax. |
| 02:48.54 | Shadowed | was it really Cairenn? |
| 02:48.58 | Cairenn | yes |
| 02:48.58 | WobWork | DWSR: how did that assertion fail? |
| 02:49.03 | WobWork | ARE YOU BLIZZARD? |
| 02:49.03 | Zenkai_WrA | I know it doesn't matter -any more-, but still. It's my personaly grudge against what they didn't do. |
| 02:49.04 | DWSR | WobWork: Please use correct Lua syntax. |
| 02:49.05 | Snigermis | isnt it you =! "blizzard" |
| 02:49.05 | Shadowed | huh interesting |
| 02:49.08 | Shadowed | no |
| 02:49.10 | DWSR | Snigermis: No.\ |
| 02:49.13 | Shadowed | ~= is != in Lua |
| 02:49.14 | purl | Shadowed: I think you lost me on that one |
| 02:49.22 | DWSR | it's you not "Blizzard" |
| 02:49.23 | Snigermis | dammit c+ and pvp DELETE ;P |
| 02:49.30 | Zenkai_WrA | Did you just say C+? |
| 02:49.33 | WobWork | DWSR: eh? |
| 02:49.35 | Legorol | Zenkai_WrA: is it illegal for me to mod my car? Does my car manufacturer support it or provide tools for it? |
| 02:49.36 | Zenkai_WrA | EPIC. FAIL. |
| 02:49.38 | Cairenn | Slouken did it all in his spare time - he went to his bosses asking them that if he did it, would they allow it |
| 02:49.41 | WobWork | What if both were variables? =P |
| 02:49.46 | Snigermis | what? i learned a bit lol |
| 02:49.49 | Shadowed | h huh |
| 02:49.51 | Shadowed | oh huh* |
| 02:49.51 | DWSR | WobWork: a not b |
| 02:49.58 | Shirik | Legorol: On the contrary, it probably violates your warranty :P |
| 02:50.08 | Shadowed | That explains why he was head WoW UI guy |
| 02:50.09 | Legorol | voiding warranty is not illegal |
| 02:50.09 | WobWork | Shirik: which is his point =P |
| 02:50.23 | Dagmar | Comparing this to a warranty is bullshit |
| 02:50.26 | DWSR | anyway bbiab. |
| 02:50.26 | Snigermis | mirc is awesome for that >> $you != $PoorSupport << |
| 02:50.33 | Dagmar | Compare it to *stock car racing* |
| 02:50.37 | Zenkai_WrA | Legorol: Did the car manufacturer eventually support the modification of your car? |
| 02:50.46 | Dagmar | You're not allowed to modify those cars for a reason---so that everyone has an even playing field. |
| 02:50.52 | Legorol | Zenkai_WrA: Blizzard is *still* not supporting addons |
| 02:50.54 | Snigermis | why are you even disgussing this lame topic ;P |
| 02:50.59 | Zenkai_WrA | By providing an awesome arsenal of tools, but then not telling you what they do? |
| 02:51.04 | WobWork | Zenkai_WrA: The manufactuer may have included the modification in it's own version in a later model, yes? |
| 02:51.06 | Dagmar | Snigermis: Because someone didn't beat their kids |
| 02:51.10 | Snigermis | you are allowed to modify cars.. just not illegally ;P |
| 02:51.15 | Shadowed | Look at it this way |
| 02:51.28 | Snigermis | I didnt get beaten. but i know when a topic is a lost cause ;P |
| 02:51.52 | Dagmar | Snigermis: More importantly, you probably know to stop asking the same dumbass question re-worded as if that makes a difference |
| 02:51.55 | WobWork | Basically, Zenkai_WrA: Don't feel entitled that you don't have perfect documentation for a unsupported feature. Feel lucky that they exposed it in the first place to allow for modification. |
| 02:51.57 | Shadowed | Blizzard built their UI off of Lua. They added APIs so their UI could interact with the C side of the game. By accident (from the sounds of it?) users could modify the Lua side of it. Blizzard decided to run with it, and we got the addon stuff we see today. |
| 02:52.05 | Zenkai_WrA | You can't tell me they don't support addons. This isn't something users are just tapping into. They wouldn't have given you a little "Addons" button at the character screen if they were just fruitfully unaware. |
| 02:52.13 | Dagmar | I can tell you they don't support addons. |
| 02:52.19 | Cairenn | no, not by accident - just it wasn't in their original plans |
| 02:52.22 | Dagmar | I will also be 100% correct when I say it. |
| 02:52.23 | Cairenn | slouken changed that |
| 02:52.30 | Snigermis | just ike the ulduar bug with love charms ;P |
| 02:52.38 | Legorol | Zenkai_WrA: so you are saying that just because they decided to be nice and add a few convenience features for our benefit, they therefore must go a lot further and do more work? |
| 02:52.44 | WobWork | yes |
| 02:52.47 | WobWork | Entitlement =P |
| 02:52.52 | Zenkai_WrA | Legorol: Pretty much...yeah. |
| 02:52.54 | Dagmar | Trollery. |
| 02:53.04 | Shadowed | Cairenn: Well, by accident in that they never intended for it to work like that. Slouken turned it into that after the fact |
| 02:53.06 | Legorol | Zenkai_WrA: so they should either do nothing, or a whole lot, but are not allowed to do a little? |
| 02:53.06 | WobWork | Clearly Zenkai_WrA DESERVES it |
| 02:53.11 | Snigermis | Legorol kinda. but alteast if they have documentation updated to newest standard for what they use. less mods will break ;P |
| 02:53.17 | Dagmar | This is why more people need to beat their kids. |
| 02:53.18 | WobWork | cause he worked so hard to access it |
| 02:53.21 | Seerah | Zenkai_WrA: thank you for holding the door for me. Now you must carry my things and put them in my car. |
| 02:53.24 | Snigermis | simple 10 minutes update everytime they change the codes ;P |
| 02:53.37 | Shirik | will gladly carry Seerah's things to the car |
| 02:53.43 | Seerah | :) |
| 02:53.43 | Shadowed | then steal the car + her things? |
| 02:53.49 | Shirik | no |
| 02:53.49 | WobWork | Snigermis: but they don't support user addons =P |
| 02:53.51 | Zenkai_WrA | Legorol: I'm not saying they SHOULD do anything. I can't make them. I'm just telling you it's a software development mannerism that makes your end user (see again: customer) happier. |
| 02:53.53 | Shirik | simple justification |
| 02:53.58 | WobWork | they support their -own- addons |
| 02:54.02 | Dagmar | Zenkai_WrA: The _reason_ the addons button is there is because every time Blizz patches the client it may or may not break piles of addons |
| 02:54.03 | Shadowed | I'd say people are pretty happy with addons already |
| 02:54.04 | Shirik | she can't have very many things because she wouldn't have been carrying them in the first place |
| 02:54.06 | Seerah | Shadowed: Shirik's a lot nicer than you :p |
| 02:54.07 | Shirik | thus it must not be that heavy |
| 02:54.10 | Legorol | Zenkai_WrA: addon developers are NOT end users, two different populace. |
| 02:54.17 | Legorol | They document everything that end users (read players) need |
| 02:54.19 | WobWork | Zenkai_WrA: we are not end users =P |
| 02:54.25 | Zenkai_WrA | Legorol: You misunderstood me somewhere... |
| 02:54.27 | Shadowed | Seerah: No way, we share the first two letters of our names. We're practially brothers |
| 02:54.29 | Cairenn | oh god |
| 02:54.29 | Shirik | even for a weakling like me |
| 02:54.30 | Dagmar | Zenkai_WrA: Easier to give people an avenue for temporarily disabling them, than to continue listening to the screaming from the spoiled on the forums about having to delete files |
| 02:54.33 | Snigermis | lol search for lua on a torrent site... BAM instant 200 porn movies. lol |
| 02:54.35 | Legorol | Zenkai_WrA: actually it's a pretty important distinction |
| 02:54.49 | Legorol | end users (read players) are entitled for things for their money. addon authors are not. |
| 02:55.04 | WobWork | we do not pay for access to the API |
| 02:55.05 | Dagmar | Players are entitled to what they paid for, which is playing the game |
| 02:55.06 | Snigermis | thats why they did the addons may not be chargable? |
| 02:55.24 | Dagmar | Snigermis: No, I'm wagering it was a side-effect of support problems |
| 02:55.26 | Shadowed | They did that cause Carbonite angered them |
| 02:55.26 | WobWork | If we paid Blizzard for access, then sure, we could demand things |
| 02:55.27 | Seerah | no, they did that to protect their user base |
| 02:55.34 | Dagmar | ...and the sleazy people who sell add-ons. |
| 02:55.53 | WobWork | But we don't |
| 02:55.55 | WobWork | so we can't |
| 02:55.55 | Zenkai_WrA | Whatever. My assertion was that it's common courtesy for a developer to document functionality even if that functionality never sees the light of say. End of discussion. |
| 02:56.00 | Legorol | i suspect part of the reason for not allowing charging for addons was protecting their legal interest |
| 02:56.07 | Snigermis | well carbonite had a few good things.. but that they had a demo was wrong |
| 02:56.09 | WobWork | Zenkai_WrA: and who says they don't -have- that documentation? |
| 02:56.13 | Dagmar | Zenkai_WrA: You're really new to programming, aren't you |
| 02:56.14 | WobWork | I'm sure they do |
| 02:56.16 | WobWork | INTERNALLY |
| 02:56.25 | Legorol | the upcoming battle.net will feature (ceartinly for SC2) micropayments for custom maps, from what i read |
| 02:56.28 | Shadowed | I don't know, if somebody started to write addons that showed ads in-game I'd want to smack them too Legorol |
| 02:56.32 | WobWork | and that documentation will never see the light of day =P |
| 02:56.36 | Dagmar | Programmers seldom document a damn thing unless you threaten them with a gun. |
| 02:56.37 | Legorol | that means blizz is interested in this kind of thing from a business pov |
| 02:56.37 | Snigermis | custom maps? |
| 02:56.38 | WobWork | so, everyone's satisfied? |
| 02:56.56 | Cairenn | Shadowed: there was one, and it got smacked hard for it |
| 02:56.57 | Dagmar | ...and you usually have to actually SHOOT someone or they just witter on about how they're writing "self-documenting" code |
| 02:57.00 | Cairenn | (ads in game) |
| 02:57.11 | Shadowed | Cairenn: Besides Carbonite? |
| 02:57.20 | Cairenn | or have ... yeah, was gonna say, or have you forgotten |
| 02:57.22 | Snigermis | if they start to advertise in game.. they're gonna loose ALOT |
| 02:57.24 | WobWork | was it selling viagra? |
| 02:57.26 | Zenkai_WrA | Dagmar: I've always documented my shit. Everyone I know documents their shit at one point or another. |
| 02:57.28 | Legorol | ok let's move on a more constructive direction |
| 02:57.32 | Shadowed | cake or pie |
| 02:57.35 | Legorol | Zenkai_WrA: have you been pointed to the wowprogramming book yet? |
| 02:57.35 | Shadowed | icecream or chocolate |
| 02:57.37 | Dagmar | Zenkai: Like I said, you're new to programming |
| 02:57.38 | Legorol | ~wowprogramming |
| 02:57.38 | purl | [wowprogramming] World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 02:57.43 | Shadowed | yes Legorol we went over that like an hour ago :p |
| 02:57.45 | WobWork | "Zenkai_WrA: Whatever. My assertion was that it's common courtesy for a developer to document functionality even if that functionality never sees the light of say. End of discussion." |
| 02:57.48 | Legorol | Shadowed: oh ok |
| 02:57.51 | Snigermis | but is it an e-book |
| 02:57.55 | WobWork | What proof have you that they haven't documented it |
| 02:57.59 | Snigermis | how will i know its good for my style of learning |
| 02:58.05 | Legorol | Snigermis: no, but i suspect your question really means "is it free" |
| 02:58.09 | Shadowed | I'd think Blizzard has some sort of internal documentation |
| 02:58.18 | WobWork | Are you a Blizzard employee to say that outright? |
| 02:58.20 | Shadowed | Unless they basically tell their new UI guys "HAVE FUN WRITE CODE!" |
| 02:58.22 | Snigermis | and how long till the book are outdated |
| 02:58.29 | Seerah | they *have* to due to staff turn over |
| 02:58.31 | Legorol | it's got new editions |
| 02:58.36 | Dagmar | Snigermis: You don't get to ask for free books *and* insist someone confirm you can read it. That's not fair |
| 02:58.43 | Legorol | and whilst some things change with each patch, a lot of the fundamentals have been around for 5 years |
| 02:58.55 | Shadowed | Yea, I don't think they could do it without documentation |
| 02:59.06 | Shadowed | Obviously, I don't know this for a fact. But it'd make hiring new people a pain |
| 02:59.15 | Snigermis | ask for free books? |
| 02:59.19 | Dagmar | Hiring new people is always a pain |
| 02:59.34 | Dagmar | The more niche what you're doing, the bigger the pain it will be |
| 02:59.35 | Snigermis | no i just wont buy anything i cant even preview it to see if its bogus or crap or perfect |
| 02:59.48 | Dagmar | Snigermis: The book is free online |
| 02:59.49 | Legorol | Snigermis: walk into a book shop :) have a read |
| 02:59.55 | Shadowed | WoWProgramming? Good book, but last I looked jnwhiteh has the second edition coming soon |
| 02:59.55 | Legorol | Dagmar: wut? :O |
| 03:00.02 | Shadowed | which will be more up-to-date |
| 03:00.03 | DWSR | NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP |
| 03:00.08 | DWSR | NEVER GONNA LET YOU DOWN |
| 03:00.10 | Snigermis | are the new editions free? |
| 03:00.12 | DWSR | NEVER GONNA TURN AROUND AND HURT YOU |
| 03:00.16 | Shadowed | It's worth buying |
| 03:00.16 | DWSR | NEVER GONNA MAKE YOU CRY |
| 03:00.17 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+rqf $~a #shiibot] by EDI |
| 03:00.17 | EDI | Channel locked temporarily. Time since last lockdown (in minutes): 14914 minutes |
| 03:00.21 | DWSR | win |
| 03:00.28 | Shirik | DWSR |
| 03:00.30 | Shirik | you are so bad |
| 03:00.34 | DWSR | I broke the bot |
| 03:00.37 | Shadowed | Shirik: 4 capitalized lines = auto lock? |
| 03:00.38 | Cairenn | oh, nice work DWSR |
| 03:00.40 | Cairenn | geez |
| 03:00.42 | Shirik | no Shadowed |
| 03:00.44 | DWSR | Hahaha, sorry. |
| 03:00.48 | DWSR | I couldn't help it, I don't really know why. |
| 03:00.50 | Thunder_Child | no you arent |
| 03:00.53 | DWSR | I am. |
| 03:01.00 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-rqf $~a] by Shirik |
| 03:01.01 | Shirik | !reload |
| 03:01.02 | EDI | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 03:01.06 | DWSR | I was yelling while I sung that, btw. |
| 03:01.15 | Dagmar | Ah my mistake, I thought the site had the entire book up |
| 03:01.20 | Thunder_Child | "<DWSR> win" "<DWSR> I broke the bot" i call lies |
| 03:01.20 | Shirik | I think it's because DWSR came out of nowhere and said that |
| 03:01.22 | Shirik | in all caps |
| 03:01.31 | Legorol | funneh |
| 03:01.35 | Dagmar | O |
| 03:01.40 | Shirik | with little time in between |
| 03:01.43 | DWSR | Shirik: Join EDI to another channel and I'll try to reproduce it? |
| 03:01.44 | Shadowed | The site has all the actual API documentation online, I don't know how much more is online besides that |
| 03:01.50 | Shirik | DWSR: I have the logs :P |
| 03:01.56 | DWSR | ah k |
| 03:02.12 | DWSR | Sorry, I was actually yelling it at the top of my lungs while I was typing it. |
| 03:02.24 | DWSR | The brain->finger filter obviously malfunctioned. |
| 03:02.29 | Snigermis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1azmASqYPNc&feature=related now beat this guy ;P |
| 03:02.43 | Zenkai_WrA | Dagmar: I'm most definitely not new to programming, son. I'd bet my life savings I know more about software development than 95% of people here. Go ahead. Sue me. |
| 03:02.50 | *** part/#wowuidev Zenkai_WrA (~chatzilla@cpe-075-182-022-108.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 03:03.04 | Shadowed | rageeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 03:03.05 | Shirik | wtf |
| 03:03.07 | Shirik | :DWSR!~DWSR@unaffiliated/dwsr PRIVMSG #wowuidev :+NEVER GONNA MAKE YOU CRY |
| 03:03.09 | DWSR | Snigermis: Old. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kqKOlcaZuI |
| 03:03.10 | Shirik | caused a 50 point jump |
| 03:03.14 | Dagmar | Ah but it was a rage-QUIT and that means no more whining |
| 03:03.14 | DWSR | LULZ. |
| 03:03.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (~Sixen@173-25-23-10.client.mchsi.com) |
| 03:03.40 | Shadowed | Shirik: Why does your bot hate music |
| 03:03.48 | Dagmar | Places that actually give coders time to both write *and* document are far in the minority |
| 03:03.57 | Gnarfoz | also, why doesn't kickban the offender? |
| 03:04.01 | Shirik | Shadowed: today's music isn't music |
| 03:04.03 | Dagmar | Hell, unless it's going to result in someone dying they seldom give people time to write their own unit tests |
| 03:04.12 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Because sometimes stuff like that happens and people trip the bot accidentally? |
| 03:04.20 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: also, freenode has a "no autokick" policy. |
| 03:04.24 | Shadowed | nice |
| 03:04.29 | Gnarfoz | you mean you spammed 4 lines in caps "accidentally", right |
| 03:04.30 | Shadowed | Zenkai_WrA is trying to send you a file: P:\mIRC\download\[BL]_Emerich.pdf |
| 03:04.32 | DWSR | s/policy/philosophy/ |
| 03:04.34 | Shirik | Ha |
| 03:04.46 | Dagmar | Shadowed: Seriously? |
| 03:04.48 | Shadowed | yea |
| 03:04.51 | Shirik | WARNING: Unrecognized query: :eir!~eir@freenode/utility-bot/eir PRIVMSG EDI :+Please comment on the following: ^Bquiet^B[17122] ^B$~a^B was set on ^B#wowuidev^B by ^BEDI!~Shiibot@WoWUIDev/Nospam^B on ^B2010-02-13 03:00:17^B and had an expiry date of ^B2010-02-14 03:00:17.^B |
| 03:04.56 | Shirik | bots not getting along |
| 03:04.58 | Dagmar | What a lamer |
| 03:05.02 | Thunder_Child | http://kuvaton.com/browse/13855/macgyver_vs_jigsaw.gif |
| 03:05.13 | Shadowed | I was tempted to try downloading it |
| 03:05.30 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Win |
| 03:05.41 | Dagmar | A shame I'm feeling too lazy to bother crafting a spoofed dcc send |
| 03:05.42 | Snigermis | onloy problem with tetris is that it's not random ;P |
| 03:06.14 | Shirik | Bastet is awesome |
| 03:07.40 | *** join/#wowuidev elec29a (~elec@host157-46-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 03:07.47 | Dagmar | Strange. Doing some googling, I do find logs from a bunch of freenode channels with autokicks going on |
| 03:07.50 | DWSR | Snigermis: Neither is that game. |
| 03:08.12 | DWSR | Snigermis: Tetris has more entropy involved than the piano game. |
| 03:08.31 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: I can find no such philosophy on freenode.net, btw |
| 03:08.54 | Snigermis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alw5hs0chj0&feature=related |
| 03:08.59 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: I'm just telling you what they said in #freenode. |
| 03:09.08 | DWSR | Snigermis: Old. |
| 03:09.10 | DWSR | LINE PIECE |
| 03:09.13 | Snigermis | i know ;P |
| 03:09.17 | Snigermis | but still awesome ;P |
| 03:09.21 | DWSR | mhm. |
| 03:09.33 | Gnarfoz | and I'm telling you that spamming annoying rickroll lyrics, in caps, is just that, annoying :p |
| 03:09.47 | Dagmar | I think the bot made the right call |
| 03:09.51 | Dagmar | :) |
| 03:10.05 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Yes, I know. :P |
| 03:10.10 | Dagmar | ...although it probably should have taken action at "NEVER GOING TO LET YOU DOWN" |
| 03:10.15 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 03:10.20 | DWSR | And called Shenanigans? |
| 03:10.25 | Dagmar | Yih |
| 03:10.34 | Gnarfoz | does first person tetris have multiplayer, yet? :D |
| 03:10.49 | WobWork | tetrinet still rocks |
| 03:11.12 | elec29a | perl tk tetris rocks http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/SRIRAM/examples/GUI/tetris.pl |
| 03:11.22 | Gnarfoz | I guess so, but does it have the nausea-inducing qualities of firstpersontetris.com? :D |
| 03:11.40 | Shirik | Shadowed: Really? |
| 03:11.47 | Shadowed | Shirik yea |
| 03:11.47 | *** join/#wowuidev bmz (~chatzilla@cpe-075-182-022-108.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 03:11.53 | Dagmar | Hah. The Olympic commentators are impressed the first nationers have been dancing for "almost 45 minutes now" |
| 03:11.56 | *** part/#wowuidev bmz (~chatzilla@cpe-075-182-022-108.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 03:11.57 | DWSR | WobWork: Do you use vanilla Tetrinet or one of the variants? |
| 03:12.01 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah. |
| 03:12.11 | Dagmar | DWSR: Clearly not many ravers in that crowd. ;) |
| 03:12.20 | Snigermis | oh my server shout down last night wanna see what i made for fun? |
| 03:12.24 | DWSR | Dagmar: Indeed. |
| 03:12.30 | Shirik | Shadowed: Any idea what it was? |
| 03:13.03 | Shirik | meh, not important |
| 03:13.06 | Shadowed | Shirik: All I know is it was named [BL]_Emerich.pdf, but as he didn't say anything |
| 03:13.10 | Snigermis | i found this |
| 03:13.12 | Snigermis | http://us.media.blizzard.com/wow/anniversary/_images/ilovesc/unlockables/02-tauren_hunter.jpg |
| 03:13.14 | Shadowed | if I was on my Mac I'd have tried downloading it |
| 03:13.20 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+b *!*@cpe-075-182-022-108.sc.res.rr.com] by Shirik |
| 03:13.27 | Snigermis | and wanted to have a littel fun with it ;P |
| 03:13.46 | Snigermis | http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/2361/25343191.png |
| 03:14.22 | DWSR | Dagmar: Wow. |
| 03:14.27 | DWSR | It got *live* for Canada. |
| 03:14.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 03:15.22 | Dagmar | WHat? Live? |
| 03:15.32 | Shirik | %48h unnecessary antagonizing, spam DCC transfers |
| 03:15.34 | Dagmar | Oh you mean the Canadians makin' a ruckus |
| 03:15.39 | Shirik | And that was definitely the wrong window |
| 03:15.41 | DWSR | mhm |
| 03:17.47 | Snigermis | a = "alo\n123\"" <-- isnt this wrong coding? |
| 03:18.10 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:18.10 | cbreak | why? |
| 03:18.31 | Dagmar | Looks fine to me |
| 03:18.37 | Snigermis | the " " at the end wouldnt that make the code believe that all untill next " is string |
| 03:18.45 | cbreak | no |
| 03:18.46 | Dagmar | Why would it? |
| 03:18.55 | cbreak | the \ escapes the next character |
| 03:18.58 | DWSR | Snigermis: It's escaped.\ |
| 03:19.08 | DWSR | The \ character escapes the " and turns it into a literal, not a meta. |
| 03:19.21 | Dagmar | \" is handled as a literal ", i.e., it's something to print, not a string delimiter |
| 03:19.31 | cbreak | C:\nothing means |
| 03:19.39 | cbreak | C:<newline>othing |
| 03:19.42 | DWSR | Holy. Shit. |
| 03:19.45 | Dagmar | Look at it like a = "alo\n123\"" |
| 03:19.52 | DWSR | Furtado's Dress is win. |
| 03:19.56 | Shirik | cbreak: Visual studio produces a warning for that :) |
| 03:20.14 | cbreak | what for? "Warning, You are stuck with a sucky path separator!"? :) |
| 03:20.16 | DWSR | LULZ FAIL @ BRYAN ADAMS. |
| 03:20.22 | Shirik | no |
| 03:20.31 | Shirik | "Warning, this looks like a path but improperly escaped" |
| 03:20.34 | Dagmar | Wow Canada has _three_ singers now? |
| 03:20.45 | Snigermis | ok first 10 lines of the lua manual and it makes no sense for me |
| 03:20.49 | cbreak | I think there's a string type without escape sequences |
| 03:20.54 | DWSR | Dagmar: The guy on stage is lip synching. |
| 03:20.57 | Snigermis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: He "started singing" before he started singing. |
| 03:21.25 | cbreak | > print('\"') |
| 03:21.31 | cbreak | lua> print('\"') |
| 03:21.34 | lua_bot | cbreak: " |
| 03:21.36 | DWSR | (i.e. you heard him without him having the mic in his face) |
| 03:21.36 | Dagmar | dwsr: 1. Nothing new there, and 2. the stage is big enough the speed of sound matters |
| 03:21.44 | Snigermis | now i have to get defined wtf is literal strings |
| 03:21.44 | WobWork | I always like Samwise's images |
| 03:21.52 | DWSR | Dagmar: Monitors ftw. |
| 03:21.56 | Dagmar | If you'd been in a marching band before, you'd know it first hand |
| 03:21.59 | cbreak | strings that are literal |
| 03:22.02 | DWSR | Dagmar: I have, trust me. |
| 03:22.05 | cbreak | and not variables |
| 03:22.10 | DWSR | I used to be in a pipe and drums. |
| 03:22.18 | cbreak | like 123 is a literal number, alpha, beta, gamma are variables |
| 03:22.36 | DWSR | s/drums/drums marching band./ |
| 03:22.42 | Snigermis | but "alpha" is literal right |
| 03:22.46 | DWSR | Dagmar: And yes, I played the bagpipes. |
| 03:22.47 | DWSR | Snigermis: Yes. |
| 03:22.54 | Dagmar | I'm not judging. |
| 03:22.55 | DWSR | "alpha" is literally the string alpha. |
| 03:23.07 | DWSR | Dagmar: Dude, I don't care if you are. :P Bagpipes & a kilt get you laid. |
| 03:23.10 | Dagmar | I'm more stunned by the first nationer wearing all the fun fur |
| 03:23.17 | cbreak | lua> alpha = 123 print("alpha is ", alpha) |
| 03:23.19 | Snigermis | but in php and mirc. when you have either a ' or a " then untill NEXT " or ' then thats a text and not code. |
| 03:23.21 | lua_bot | cbreak: alpha is , 123 |
| 03:23.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Audible (~jon@cl-339.waw-01.pl.sixxs.net) |
| 03:23.26 | DWSR | Snigermis: No. |
| 03:23.30 | Snigermis | but what does /" |
| 03:23.33 | DWSR | In PHP and mIRC you can escape. |
| 03:23.42 | Snigermis | \" |
| 03:23.43 | Dagmar | Snigermis: Not /, \ |
| 03:23.44 | DWSR | Just like in Lua and just about every language. |
| 03:23.51 | DWSR | \ is a metacharacter. |
| 03:23.56 | Snigermis | and what does the escape do? |
| 03:23.59 | Dagmar | dwsr: Real programming languages, please |
| 03:24.10 | Shirik | brainfuck has no escape character |
| 03:24.14 | Dagmar | Snigermis: It tell the parser to give the next character special treatment |
| 03:24.24 | cbreak | it says: with the combined power of the next character, I am A DIFFERENT THING |
| 03:24.24 | DWSR | Snigermis: Escaping a character makes the next character have special meaning. |
| 03:24.33 | DWSR | \n, for example, is newline. |
| 03:24.36 | Dagmar | Snigermis: Things like \n and \t are generally handled as special characters newline and tab |
| 03:24.43 | Dagmar | ...because you can't easily type those |
| 03:24.47 | DWSR | right. |
| 03:24.55 | Snigermis | yeh the arrow signs ;P |
| 03:24.58 | DWSR | No. |
| 03:24.58 | Dagmar | Things which _aren't_ those tend to be handled as a literal |
| 03:25.03 | kd3 | whee |
| 03:25.07 | DWSR | Now. |
| 03:25.07 | kd3 | snow |
| 03:25.14 | Snigermis | but |
| 03:25.15 | kd3 | still doesn't get why people freak the hell out down here |
| 03:25.19 | DWSR | Let's say that you have a string delimiter. |
| 03:25.26 | Dagmar | I.e., putting \" means to the parser "No seriously. THat's a printable character. It's not marking the boundary of anything. Just print it." |
| 03:25.27 | kd3 | slip-sliding my way home... ho-hum |
| 03:25.28 | DWSR | How do you put a string delimiter in a string without actually ending the string? |
| 03:25.37 | DWSR | Right. |
| 03:25.37 | Snigermis | a = "alo\n123\"" what does the bold do to the last " |
| 03:25.44 | DWSR | Snigermis: Nothing. |
| 03:25.48 | DWSR | It's not a bold. |
| 03:25.59 | cbreak | \" means just the character " |
| 03:26.05 | Dagmar | Snigermis: The bold does nothing. The bold was to show you what's inside the string delimiters ("'s) |
| 03:26.10 | Snigermis | its CTRL+b in mirc. because i put it there |
| 03:26.36 | Snigermis | if \" means " then what about the last " |
| 03:26.36 | cbreak | if you can't grasph that |
| 03:26.39 | DWSR | Snigermis: Control Codes in mIRC are propreitary. |
| 03:26.45 | cbreak | maybe you should stay away from lua :) |
| 03:26.49 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_character |
| 03:26.58 | WobWork | Snigermis: looks good, the colouring |
| 03:26.59 | Dagmar | Snigermis: The last " terminates the string. It *is* the end quote marker |
| 03:27.11 | WobWork | (except the lips are -very- pink =)) |
| 03:27.36 | cbreak | what coloring? |
| 03:27.38 | cbreak | what bold? |
| 03:27.44 | DWSR | cbreak: They're using mIRC control codes. |
| 03:27.52 | Snigermis | i put bold on \" to emphasize it lol |
| 03:27.53 | DWSR | If you're not using mIRC, you'll either see ASCII junk or nothing. |
| 03:27.58 | Shirik | I don't think BASIC had any escape characters |
| 03:28.00 | cbreak | I see nothing |
| 03:28.03 | Dagmar | I saw nothing |
| 03:28.03 | Snigermis | aah |
| 03:28.04 | Shirik | You had to do something like |
| 03:28.08 | DWSR | cbreak: You're obviously not using mIRC then. |
| 03:28.12 | cbreak | yeah... |
| 03:28.16 | Dagmar | I use bold codes rather frequently, too. |
| 03:28.30 | Dagmar | Real, honest to god VT100 characters. |
| 03:28.31 | cbreak | I use *bold* or _underline_ or /cursive/ :) |
| 03:28.32 | Shirik | LET a$ = "She said " + CHR$(36) + "Hai" + CHR$(36) |
| 03:28.34 | Dagmar | Not the crackheaded mIRC stuff |
| 03:28.58 | Shirik | And to this day, I still say "string" when I vocalize $ |
| 03:29.00 | Snigermis | hehe |
| 03:29.12 | Shirik | BASIC has scarred me for life |
| 03:29.26 | Dagmar | I've also been known to use the stranger ones |
| 03:29.40 | Snigermis | a = "alo\n123\"" <-- so that \" is completly useless or what |
| 03:29.44 | DWSR | Dagmar: IT'S GANDALF. |
| 03:29.46 | DWSR | DUDE, WE FOUDN HIM |
| 03:29.51 | Dagmar | Snigermis: Dude, print the strong |
| 03:29.53 | Dagmar | er string |
| 03:29.54 | cbreak | lua> print("Lua is\000not\001C") |
| 03:29.56 | lua_bot | cbreak: Lua is |
| 03:30.01 | Snigermis | My server is down so I'm not ingame ;P |
| 03:30.14 | Shirik | cbreak, null characters piss off IRC |
| 03:30.18 | Dagmar | Snigermis: Have it *print* the contents of a and it will become perfectly obvious |
| 03:30.24 | cbreak | Snigermis: if you can't grasp such a simple thing, you should stay away from programming :) |
| 03:30.34 | Dagmar | ~cbreak++ |
| 03:30.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: Did you see Gandalf? |
| 03:31.04 | Dagmar | dwsR: Nah, I was too busy ordering cheesesteak |
| 03:31.11 | Snigermis | checking result.. becuase so far it makes no sense from a php stand ;P |
| 03:31.18 | cbreak | it does |
| 03:31.26 | DWSR | Dagmar: They had some native Inuit holding a staff. |
| 03:31.30 | DWSR | It lit up on the top |
| 03:31.35 | cbreak | talk to yourself and ask yourself |
| 03:31.38 | DWSR | And then he started slamming it into the ground and making energy waves. |
| 03:31.42 | DWSR | And I was like "LOL LOTR" |
| 03:31.49 | cbreak | "How do I print a string containing a " and a '?" |
| 03:31.53 | Dagmar | He made the aurora borealis |
| 03:32.05 | DWSR | Dagmar: Gandalf made Aurora Borealis? |
| 03:32.07 | DWSR | ;) |
| 03:32.07 | Snigermis | so the output will be alo |
| 03:32.10 | Snigermis | 123" |
| 03:32.14 | Dagmar | Apparently according to Canadian history |
| 03:32.16 | cbreak | approximately |
| 03:32.20 | DWSR | hehe |
| 03:32.33 | DWSR | and how all of these Inuit have aids. |
| 03:32.37 | DWSR | s/how/now/ |
| 03:32.52 | cbreak | band aids? |
| 03:32.55 | DWSR | And the bear is a rocket ship. |
| 03:32.57 | DWSR | hahahaha |
| 03:32.57 | cbreak | walking aids? |
| 03:33.10 | DWSR | Dude, I would be laughing my head off at this. |
| 03:33.14 | Dagmar | This is where they secretly admit they're all refugee space aliens |
| 03:33.20 | DWSR | LOL |
| 03:33.32 | cbreak | sounds like scientology |
| 03:33.39 | cbreak | in fact, most crazy stuff does |
| 03:33.40 | Snigermis | ok any suggestion to a lua programming app.. since wow is very limited ;P |
| 03:33.49 | cbreak | get lua |
| 03:33.50 | Dagmar | THAT was a nice effect tho |
| 03:33.56 | cbreak | lua.org |
| 03:34.03 | cbreak | you can get the C sources and compile it yourself |
| 03:34.06 | DWSR | cbreak: Was it you that mentioned someone had a "wow" flavoured Luac? |
| 03:34.12 | cbreak | you won't get the WoW API, but enough to write code |
| 03:34.18 | cbreak | no, it was not |
| 03:34.25 | Snigermis | oh and the beauty of compiling |
| 03:34.25 | *** join/#wowuidev elec29a (~elec@host157-46-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 03:34.35 | Snigermis | done it once and failed lol. and that was 4 years ago |
| 03:34.37 | DWSR | Snigermis: There's windows binaries too, if you can't figure it out. |
| 03:34.45 | DWSR | ~logs |
| 03:34.46 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 03:34.48 | Dagmar | DWSR: Holy crap they have some gifted lighting people |
| 03:34.53 | DWSR | Dagmar: mhm. |
| 03:34.57 | cbreak | if you can't figure it out, maybe you should stay away from programming :/ |
| 03:35.05 | Snigermis | I'm not a quitter |
| 03:35.24 | cbreak | well, it's easier on a mac or on linux anyway |
| 03:35.27 | Cairenn | Dagmar: the opening ceremonies? |
| 03:35.27 | DWSR | haste |
| 03:35.33 | DWSR | ~seen cogwheel |
| 03:35.35 | purl | cogwheel <~cogwheel@WoWUIDev/WoWProgramming/morlando/cogwheel> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 23h 15m 15s ago, saying: 'So, how 'bout them <sports team>s?'. |
| 03:35.37 | Snigermis | and all you could have said earlier that \" returns " as a symbol... done instead of the 40 lines of nothing |
| 03:35.42 | cbreak | afaik, windows still doesn't have a compiler shipped in it's default install |
| 03:35.58 | cbreak | it doesn't return anything |
| 03:36.00 | Dagmar | Cairenn: They just seriously took the lid off fancy lights and effects |
| 03:36.01 | cbreak | it's not a function |
| 03:36.06 | DWSR | Snigermis: It's not a function |
| 03:36.07 | Cairenn | yup |
| 03:36.13 | DWSR | Snigermis: It doesn't return anything |
| 03:36.14 | DWSR | Dagmar: YEah. |
| 03:36.16 | Cairenn | was just confirming that's what you were talking about :) |
| 03:36.19 | Snigermis | /script print(\") returns " |
| 03:36.28 | DWSR | Snigermis: \" isn't a function |
| 03:36.31 | DWSR | \ isn't a function |
| 03:36.36 | cbreak | no, it'll give you a syntax error |
| 03:36.36 | DWSR | " isn't an argument. |
| 03:36.43 | Snigermis | dont give any errors in wow |
| 03:36.44 | DWSR | Dagmar: Holy crap, forst nymphs. |
| 03:36.47 | Snigermis | just returns " |
| 03:36.49 | cbreak | no |
| 03:37.02 | cbreak | lua> print(\") |
| 03:37.02 | lua_bot | cbreak: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '\' |
| 03:37.05 | cbreak | see? :) |
| 03:37.07 | DWSR | Not to be confused with forest nymphos. |
| 03:37.07 | Snigermis | well thats what my chatbox is saying lol |
| 03:37.08 | Dagmar | I htink I'm going to have to find this in HD so I can watch it again |
| 03:37.26 | cbreak | you can't just put \ into your code |
| 03:37.35 | DWSR | Dagmar: These are *much* better than the Chinese ones, imo |
| 03:37.46 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 03:37.48 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 03:37.54 | Shirik | I got an 86 on my US-asian relations test |
| 03:38.09 | Shirik | and I suck at history |
| 03:38.19 | Cairenn | has to keep reaching for her kleenex box |
| 03:38.30 | Shirik | huggles Cairenn |
| 03:39.07 | Cairenn | should have been taping this, damnit |
| 03:39.13 | Dagmar | Same here |
| 03:39.26 | Dagmar | I can record HD, I just didn't think I'd want to see this recorded |
| 03:39.30 | Cairenn | holy shit! |
| 03:39.33 | Dagmar | I will be recording the snowboarders |
| 03:39.39 | DWSR | Cairenn? |
| 03:39.45 | Cairenn | I just saw my percussion instructor! |
| 03:39.50 | Shirik | o.o |
| 03:39.53 | DWSR | small world |
| 03:39.59 | Shirik | Cairenn plays the drums? |
| 03:40.03 | Cairenn | no |
| 03:40.08 | Cairenn | Cairenn plays percussion |
| 03:40.08 | DWSR | she bang, she bang. |
| 03:40.13 | DWSR | Oh baby when she move, she move. |
| 03:40.15 | Dagmar | Shirik: pArty foul. Go ahead and call her a drummer while you're at it |
| 03:40.29 | Cairenn | and yes, I did |
| 03:40.41 | Cairenn | he told me to make a career of it |
| 03:40.48 | Snigermis | lua tutorial -> a="single 'quoted' string and double \"quoted\" string inside" |
| 03:40.58 | Snigermis | the \" returns " as a char instead of a func. |
| 03:41.10 | cbreak | it doesn't return anything... |
| 03:41.29 | cbreak | if you want to return something in lua, you have to use the word return |
| 03:41.35 | Snigermis | single 'quoted' string and double "quoted" string inside <-- how did those "'s appear then |
| 03:41.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: Dude. |
| 03:41.51 | DWSR | Dagmar: I swear to god, I heard the opening phrase of the strings. |
| 03:41.59 | cbreak | because that's the meaning of that sequence of characters |
| 03:42.00 | DWSR | Dagmar: And I instantly thought we were going to get some Titso. |
| 03:42.06 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 03:42.09 | Dagmar | NOOOO |
| 03:42.15 | DWSR | Indeed |
| 03:42.17 | DWSR | I was like LOLBAD |
| 03:42.45 | DWSR | anyone noticed how much like Avatar this looks? |
| 03:43.05 | DWSR | Like, uncannily? |
| 03:43.30 | DWSR | oh, no way. |
| 03:43.34 | DWSR | They have JETPACKS?\ |
| 03:43.40 | Cairenn | no |
| 03:43.45 | Dagmar | We're at commercial here. |
| 03:43.48 | Cairenn | harnesses |
| 03:43.49 | DWSR | Cairenn: That would be a joke. |
| 03:43.53 | Cairenn | :p |
| 03:44.22 | DWSR | Cairenn: Did you notice the summer section looked like Avatar? |
| 03:44.27 | DWSR | AND WE HAVE SATAN |
| 03:44.28 | DWSR | AWESOME |
| 03:44.36 | Dagmar | Brightly colored trees != Avatar |
| 03:44.37 | DWSR | WIN |
| 03:44.42 | DWSR | Dagmar: Had nothing to do with that. |
| 03:45.16 | Snigermis | do space have value in lua... |
| 03:45.29 | DWSR | elaborate. |
| 03:45.55 | Snigermis | like print("a="..a, "b=" a) |
| 03:46.01 | DWSR | Dagmar: You back from commcercial? |
| 03:46.05 | elec29a | is there some way to cheat AddOn Studio for World of Warcraft it says wow is not installed i did only copy wow |
| 03:46.07 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 03:46.12 | Snigermis | a=1 and a= 1 |
| 03:46.12 | DWSR | Snigermis: Whitespace is ignore in Lua, yes. |
| 03:46.20 | Snigermis | or will both be a=1 |
| 03:46.21 | Dagmar | Only looney fundamentalists automatically equate everything with horns as being Satan |
| 03:46.45 | DWSR | Dagmar: Of course. |
| 03:46.56 | DWSR | I was still pointing out the fact that he definitely had horns. |
| 03:46.59 | DWSR | It was pretty lulzy. |
| 03:47.03 | Dagmar | Somehow, a fiddling redneck looks like a fiddling redneck |
| 03:47.05 | cbreak | it will be separated by ", " |
| 03:47.05 | Dagmar | jej |
| 03:47.11 | cbreak | because print does that to each argument |
| 03:47.15 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yep. |
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| 03:47.35 | DWSR | She's one hell of a redneck. |
| 03:47.36 | cbreak | oh |
| 03:47.45 | cbreak | and you have a syntax error |
| 03:47.47 | Dagmar | Cept those people look crazy enough for me to hang out with |
| 03:47.52 | cbreak | so it won't even work |
| 03:47.54 | DWSR | Dagmar: They look awesome. |
| 03:48.25 | DWSR | Dunno waht the number of dancers on stage is, but it's a lot. |
| 03:48.29 | DWSR | Commenter said something like 200? |
| 03:48.52 | Snigermis | you dont need ()? |
| 03:48.59 | cbreak | not always |
| 03:49.15 | Dagmar | Sadly, I learned how to do the stuff they're doing now because I'm partial to redheads |
| 03:49.27 | DWSR | me too |
| 03:49.31 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 03:49.38 | DWSR | Hence why I'm a bagpiper, or used to be. ;) |
| 03:49.57 | Snigermis | lua call it table.. everywhere else i see Arrays ;P |
| 03:50.08 | cbreak | a lua table is not an array |
| 03:50.10 | Dagmar | "you're into highland dance?" "No, but I'm into redheads" |
| 03:50.16 | cbreak | it's more like a map combined with an array |
| 03:50.24 | DWSR | Dagmar: Amen. |
| 03:50.32 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 03:50.33 | cbreak | and map is implemented as hash table |
| 03:50.47 | DWSR | He's fucking good. |
| 03:51.03 | Snigermis | hmm interresting.. |
| 03:51.53 | DWSR | YES |
| 03:51.55 | DWSR | WIN |
| 03:52.04 | cbreak | grats |
| 03:52.15 | DWSR | Dagmar: This is *awesome*. |
| 03:52.43 | Cairenn | I'd rather it was the Rankins up there, than Ashley |
| 03:52.50 | Cairenn | he's such a .... yeah |
| 03:53.07 | DWSR | Cairenn: It doesn't matter. |
| 03:53.13 | DWSR | You cannot deny that was awesome. |
| 03:53.19 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 03:53.27 | Dagmar | I may have to go up there to party sometime |
| 03:53.48 | DWSR | That was *massively* awesome. |
| 03:54.15 | Snigermis | hmm in lua is it possible to do ....... if (a = 1) { commands here } |
| 03:54.22 | DWSR | yes... |
| 03:54.25 | Snigermis | or are they multiline only without () and {} |
| 03:54.42 | DWSR | Snigermis: if a == 1 then dosomething() end;l |
| 03:54.47 | DWSR | ignore the l. |
| 03:54.50 | Dagmar | snigermis: Reasonable languages do not get excited about whitespace |
| 03:55.01 | Snigermis | i mean the () {} rules ;P |
| 03:55.02 | DWSR | Except Python |
| 03:55.05 | Snigermis | hehe |
| 03:55.15 | DWSR | Snigermis: () is optional |
| 03:55.23 | cbreak | Snigermis: unlike C |
| 03:55.25 | DWSR | Snigermis: {} is not part of the language at all. |
| 03:55.30 | cbreak | the assignment = does not return a value |
| 03:55.36 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:55.56 | Snigermis | ok |
| 03:55.57 | cbreak | unlike C, {} is the table constructor, not a block separator |
| 03:56.16 | DWSR | cbreak: I was trying to make it simpler. |
| 03:56.23 | DWSR | Since tables will probably take him some getting used to. |
| 03:56.32 | cbreak | I try to make it as exact as I can without making it too easy |
| 03:57.36 | DWSR | Oh, crap. |
| 03:57.38 | DWSR | That tripped me out. |
| 03:57.45 | DWSR | They had him zoomed in. |
| 03:57.50 | DWSR | So I thought he was actually walking |
| 03:58.18 | Dagmar | Hhe |
| 03:58.45 | DWSR | I wonder if that flip was intentional. |
| 03:59.01 | DWSR | ah, nevermind. Yes. Yes it was |
| 03:59.06 | DWSR | Oh, shit! |
| 03:59.22 | DWSR | Kid's a top. |
| 04:00.20 | DWSR | Dagmar: ping |
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| 04:01.14 | Snigermis | unlike php and mirc. {} is a multiline operator like lua's [[ ]] |
| 04:01.45 | Dagmar | Pooong |
| 04:01.52 | DWSR | Ah, neat feature. :D |
| 04:02.00 | Dagmar | His got a metal ring around his waist with the harness connected to it |
| 04:02.06 | Dagmar | That's why he can spin aorund like that |
| 04:02.16 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yes, I didn't notice that it was gyroscopic at first. |
| 04:02.30 | Dagmar | Took me a bit to figure out how he was doing that without getting tangled in the wires |
| 04:02.51 | Dagmar | I think that perhaps if I show up for the next HS reunion, I may just turn it violent |
| 04:03.16 | DWSR | why?| |
| 04:03.25 | Dagmar | Someone had "heard" that I'd spent a lot of time dancing, when I went to the last one. Instead of making a scene, I just left because jus tabout all those people are stupid rednecks I care nothing about |
| 04:03.38 | DWSR | Bring a shotgu. |
| 04:03.39 | DWSR | gun* |
| 04:03.40 | Dagmar | Next time someone talks to me like that, they'll get a flying spinkick. |
| 04:03.51 | DWSR | Dagmar: Do you realize how absolutely gay that sounded? |
| 04:03.55 | DWSR | Flying spinkick? |
| 04:04.09 | Dagmar | "Why yes, while you picked on my in high school, I am now far more well-preserved than you, and far more physically skilled." |
| 04:04.19 | Snigermis | just to clarify |
| 04:04.19 | Cairenn | either that, or grab the most gorgeous person there, and show the rest of the assholes what a good dancer can do |
| 04:04.24 | Snigermis | io.write(a.." ") |
| 04:04.30 | DWSR | Cairenn's suggestion is much better. |
| 04:04.33 | Snigermis | wouldnt it be the same if i wrote io.write(a" ") |
| 04:04.33 | WobWork | Dagmar: ... why are you -going- to these reunions? =P |
| 04:04.35 | DWSR | Unless you end up with no gorgeous people. |
| 04:04.42 | DWSR | And then Cairenn's plan fails. |
| 04:04.45 | Dagmar | Cairenn: That would probably be myself, actually. heh |
| 04:04.55 | Dagmar | Wobwork: Because everyone says you should |
| 04:04.55 | WobWork | Dagmar: take Cairenn |
| 04:05.04 | Cairenn | fail |
| 04:05.08 | WobWork | Dagmar: and peer pressure requires it =P |
| 04:05.19 | WobWork | I didn't bother with the 5year |
| 04:05.22 | WobWork | I went the ten year |
| 04:05.25 | Snigermis | or is double .. a new command thing |
| 04:05.28 | WobWork | (to) |
| 04:05.38 | WobWork | Snigermis: what language are we talking about? |
| 04:05.39 | Snigermis | hard to explain in mirc its $var.$var2 |
| 04:05.39 | Cairenn | I haven't done a (highland) fling in years, not sure I could any more |
| 04:05.41 | Dagmar | Just watching the french canadians dancing I'm thinkgin "crap, I did that stuff when I was in the first couple of years of clubbing" |
| 04:05.42 | Snigermis | lua |
| 04:05.47 | WobWork | ~pil |
| 04:05.48 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 04:05.49 | WobWork | read that |
| 04:05.54 | Snigermis | I'm in the tutorial |
| 04:05.58 | cbreak | Snigermis: no |
| 04:06.05 | Dagmar | I had a chick trying to get me to auditon for Stomp at one point |
| 04:06.07 | WobWork | before you ask any more questions =P |
| 04:06.08 | DWSR | Cairenn: I could play you a jig, if you could dance to it. :P |
| 04:06.10 | DWSR | Dagmar: wow. |
| 04:06.25 | Snigermis | WobWork some people learn by reading some people learn by doing.. |
| 04:06.27 | cbreak | a" " means Call function in a with argument string-containing-a-space |
| 04:06.27 | Dagmar | DWSR: well, my schedule at the time involved 8 hours of work and 2-4 hours of dancing every night |
| 04:06.40 | Snigermis | so I can read it. but it wont mean much untill i use it practically |
| 04:06.41 | WobWork | Snigermis: yes, but these are basic syntax questions that can be learned from reading |
| 04:06.53 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 04:06.55 | WobWork | perhaps more doing, and less 'hand holding' is what you need |
| 04:06.59 | kd3 | blizz dropped UDE |
| 04:07.04 | DWSR | UDE? |
| 04:07.05 | Dagmar | UDE |
| 04:07.07 | Dagmar | ? |
| 04:07.08 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 04:07.13 | kd3 | upper deck entertainment |
| 04:07.16 | Cairenn | I was amazed when i read that too, kd3 |
| 04:07.17 | kd3 | the trading card game |
| 04:07.21 | Torhal | Whoah |
| 04:07.21 | DWSR | ah |
| 04:07.22 | Dagmar | Ah good. |
| 04:07.25 | WobWork | interesting |
| 04:07.25 | Torhal | Ackis: ^^ |
| 04:07.26 | Dagmar | They were showing cluelessness. |
| 04:07.58 | Dagmar | If people actually pay money for minifigs of their toon, Upper Deck failed *utterly* in not making trading cards *of* people's toons |
| 04:08.01 | WobWork | Also "Some learn by reading some by doing" is a stupid claim. You're reading here =P |
| 04:08.35 | Torhal | WobWork: We're Skimming - Extreme Version |
| 04:08.39 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:08.41 | WobWork | hardcore |
| 04:08.44 | Torhal | Oh |
| 04:08.46 | Torhal | Yah |
| 04:09.06 | DWSR | DUDe |
| 04:09.08 | DWSR | IT'S TRON |
| 04:09.09 | DWSR | NO WAY |
| 04:09.35 | Dagmar | "Canadia presents: A tribute to the Motion Capture specialists who make Olympic Video games." |
| 04:09.37 | WobWork | was that the sound of a thousand canadian geeks screaming, I just heard? |
| 04:09.42 | DWSR | Dagmar: Totally. |
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| 04:09.59 | DWSR | WobWork: prolly. |
| 04:10.13 | DWSR | Dagmar: So far we've had epic references to LOTR and Tron |
| 04:10.23 | WobWork | why lotr? |
| 04:10.31 | DWSR | Are you watching the ceremonies? |
| 04:10.32 | WobWork | was tolkein candian? |
| 04:10.36 | WobWork | I'm at work =( |
| 04:10.38 | DWSR | Ah |
| 04:10.42 | DWSR | If you watch a replay, you'll see why. |
| 04:10.49 | WobWork | our interwebs wouldn't handle the streaming |
| 04:10.56 | Cairenn | actually, we haven't, but that's the best DWSR can come up with to compare to |
| 04:11.01 | Cairenn | :p |
| 04:11.11 | DWSR | Cairenn: Give me a break. |
| 04:11.16 | Cairenn | nope |
| 04:11.19 | DWSR | Tell me you didn't instantly see gandalf when he had that staff. |
| 04:11.21 | Cairenn | I give no one a break :p |
| 04:11.22 | Dagmar | Oh no. |
| 04:11.24 | DWSR | And when it lights up? :P |
| 04:11.26 | Dagmar | Beat poets. |
| 04:11.35 | DWSR | Dagmar: indeed. |
| 04:11.58 | Cairenn | yeah, this is a little .. ummm, heh |
| 04:11.59 | DWSR | win |
| 04:12.06 | DWSR | Zed, not zee. |
| 04:12.09 | Cairenn | although I do like the "zed, no zee" |
| 04:12.11 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:12.15 | Cairenn | not* |
| 04:12.32 | Snigermis | now i understand .. , but not from manual. but from experience.. |
| 04:12.57 | Thunder_Child | you need both |
| 04:13.07 | WobWork | Snigermis: this is not a good way to learn a programming language |
| 04:13.18 | Snigermis | well manual didnt explain .. |
| 04:13.29 | DWSR | EH |
| 04:13.32 | DWSR | Eh?* |
| 04:13.38 | Snigermis | and searched http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html |
| 04:14.10 | DWSR | Fail finale, imo. |
| 04:14.11 | WobWork | http://www.lua.org/pil/5.html |
| 04:15.37 | WobWork | http://www.lua.org/pil/2.4.html |
| 04:15.46 | WobWork | 30 seconds of searching and reading |
| 04:15.50 | Dagmar | We invented writing and specifically _books_ so that we wouldn't be bound by oral tradition. |
| 04:15.52 | WobWork | it's -all- there |
| 04:16.02 | DWSR | Dagmar: Hehe oral tradition. |
| 04:16.11 | WobWork | (The .. is the string concatenation operator in Lua. When you write it right after a numeral, you must separate them with a space; otherwise, Lua thinks that the first dot is a decimal point.) |
| 04:18.06 | DWSR | This guy is a shit speaker. |
| 04:18.20 | shifuimam | i hope i'm not the one causing all these client critical errors... |
| 04:20.01 | Cairenn | DWSR: not sure I would agree with that determination |
| 04:20.31 | DWSR | Cairenn: He's...very......slow..... |
| 04:20.40 | DWSR | Cairenn: His phrasing.......is awful. |
| 04:20.58 | Cairenn | his speed is because he's allowing the interpreter time to sign it |
| 04:21.17 | Cairenn | (or did you not notice her on the screen?) |
| 04:21.28 | Dagmar | She's not on my screen |
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| 04:21.40 | DWSR | Cairenn: Oh, I did. But there are definitely ways to pad out the speech without actually saying 3 words then pausing. |
| 04:22.09 | DWSR | I understand *why* he's slow, I disagree with how he's artificially slowing down the speed. |
| 04:22.18 | Dagmar | Hey... Some people get through their whole lives without having the first clue about how to address a crowd |
| 04:22.28 | DWSR | yep |
| 04:22.33 | Dagmar | This man with the white hair is clearly off to a good start at it |
| 04:22.34 | Cairenn | I /hate/ public speaking |
| 04:22.37 | DWSR | You'd think that he'd get some lessons though. :P |
| 04:22.43 | DWSR | Also, reading the speech is lolfail. |
| 04:22.48 | Shirik | lies Cairenn |
| 04:22.54 | Shirik | you love being in public with us :) |
| 04:22.54 | DWSR | He doesn't have to memorize it, but like, he's just reading it. |
| 04:23.01 | Cairenn | I'd be gawd awful in his place |
| 04:23.03 | Dagmar | Cairenn: Public speaking is actually pretty easy |
| 04:23.08 | Shirik | and you are quite the talkative one |
| 04:23.12 | Shirik | == public speaking |
| 04:23.19 | DWSR | Cairenn: Public speaking isn't super difficult. It's just about having some gallstones. |
| 04:23.28 | Dagmar | You just have to refuse to give a damn what the people sitting there _not_ getting to speak think about it |
| 04:23.32 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:23.35 | Cairenn | there's a difference between babbling in here, and doing something like he is doing |
| 04:23.41 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 04:23.50 | Dagmar | You'd been sold a bad bill of goods if you believe that |
| 04:24.09 | DWSR | He doesn't look up. At all. |
| 04:24.10 | DWSR | What the fuck. |
| 04:24.11 | Dagmar | The mic will carry your words out, whether they're silly or not |
| 04:24.50 | DWSR | He's sped up now. |
| 04:25.05 | DWSR | Une equip? |
| 04:25.06 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 04:25.14 | Dagmar | Someone probably said something into his earpiece to the effect of "Talk faster, you sound like you're illiterate" |
| 04:25.46 | Dagmar | Cairenn: If you ever have to do it again, keep in mind no one can take the mic from you, and basically you can say anything you want |
| 04:25.53 | DWSR | Dagmar: :D |
| 04:26.00 | DWSR | Best feeling in the world. |
| 04:26.06 | Cairenn | avoids public speaking like the plague |
| 04:26.43 | DWSR | Anyone know why Canada has had it 3 times before most countries have had it twice? |
| 04:26.49 | Shadowed | I plan on demanding a speech from you next Blizzcon Cairenn |
| 04:26.55 | Dagmar | You can never make a spectacle until you've learned to make a scene. |
| 04:26.57 | Cairenn | Shadowed: good luck |
| 04:27.05 | Shadowed | thanks! |
| 04:27.05 | DWSR | Shadowed: Lots of rum. |
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| 04:27.22 | Cairenn | Dagmar: oh, I can make a scene, that's something else entirely ;) |
| 04:27.30 | DWSR | Cairenn: Not really. |
| 04:27.37 | WobWork | rawr |
| 04:27.42 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 04:27.44 | Cairenn | you haven't seen me when I've been drinking ;) |
| 04:27.50 | DWSR | Cairenn: That's different./ |
| 04:27.54 | WobWork | <Cairenn enters the house> |
| 04:27.54 | Dagmar | So drink if it helps |
| 04:27.56 | Cairenn | exactly |
| 04:27.59 | WobWork | "I'm here to clean the pool!" |
| 04:28.01 | DWSR | When you're drinking, you lose your inhibitions. |
| 04:28.01 | Shadowed | I don't remember you drinking at the dinner anyway |
| 04:28.02 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:28.05 | Shadowed | although I guess you guys went to a bar after |
| 04:28.12 | DWSR | Cairenn: So just drink before you speak. |
| 04:28.18 | DWSR | I did it, it actually makes things lots easier. |
| 04:28.25 | Cairenn | Shadowed: I was behaving at the dinner |
| 04:28.29 | DWSR | Oh, WHAT? |
| 04:28.36 | Shadowed | aw |
| 04:28.39 | DWSR | Why is he saying this whole thing in French again? It's being translated on the screen |
| 04:28.43 | Cairenn | you needed to find us at the hotel(s) on each night |
| 04:28.56 | Cairenn | we were drinking plenty then :) |
| 04:29.00 | Shadowed | no I need to clone myself |
| 04:29.01 | WobWork | DWSR: isn't it an olympic thing? |
| 04:29.04 | Dagmar | If you can flip an entire crowd the bird, you can surely speak to them civilly |
| 04:29.05 | DWSR | WobWork: No. |
| 04:29.16 | WobWork | I thought they had to say everything in French |
| 04:29.23 | DWSR | WobWork: The speeches are always delivered in English. |
| 04:29.25 | Dagmar | No, that's France |
| 04:29.27 | DWSR | The French is for French speaking Canada. |
| 04:29.41 | DWSR | But, they're getting a translation on the screen behind the speaker. |
| 04:29.43 | Dagmar | Canada is more reasonable, which probably has a lot to do with why this is their third time hosting |
| 04:29.43 | Shadowed | Aren't we supposed to get a Blizzcon announcement somewhat soon actually |
| 04:29.44 | WobWork | I thought there was some 'universal diplomatic language being French' thing |
| 04:29.47 | Shadowed | like 2 months? |
| 04:29.47 | Dagmar | That and they have a lot of snow |
| 04:29.55 | Cairenn | Shadowed: here's hoping :) |
| 04:29.57 | WobWork | in regards to the olympics |
| 04:30.09 | DWSR | WobWork: The universal language is English, for just about everything. |
| 04:30.11 | Cairenn | Shadowed: if they follow their usual schedule, it'll be in Oct this year |
| 04:30.36 | DWSR | WobWork: i18n air travel, business, Olympics. |
| 04:30.41 | DWSR | Everything's in English. |
| 04:30.48 | WobWork | "French and English are the official languages of the Olympic Movement. The other language used at each Olympic Games is the language of the host country. Every proclamation (such as the announcement of each country during the parade of nations in the opening ceremony) is spoken in these three languages, or the main two depending on whether the host country is an English or French speaking country" |
| 04:30.49 | Cairenn | DWSR: |
| 04:30.50 | Shadowed | ah yea, tickets went on sale in May |
| 04:30.53 | Shadowed | so two months or so |
| 04:31.02 | WobWork | wikipedia ^ |
| 04:31.29 | DWSR | WobWork: Ah, heh. |
| 04:31.35 | DWSR | Oh my god. |
| 04:31.43 | Dagmar | I like that these people dress like they're in a cheap Sci Fi flick |
| 04:31.43 | DWSR | The governor general can't speak English apparently. |
| 04:31.48 | DWSR | I declare open the Olympic games? |
| 04:32.14 | WobWork | DWSR: I think that's the traditional phrasing |
| 04:32.23 | DWSR | WobWork: I declare open? |
| 04:32.29 | DWSR | Really? |
| 04:32.30 | WobWork | http://www.mapsofworld.com/olympic-trivia/olympic-opening-ceremony-protocol.html |
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| 04:32.43 | WobWork | The Head of State proclaims the Games open by saying:Â "I declare open the Games of ... (name of City) celebrating the ... Olympiad of the modern era."Â |
| 04:32.47 | Shadowed | huh |
| 04:33.13 | DWSR | That's whacky. |
| 04:33.24 | Shadowed | Wonder why that is |
| 04:33.26 | WobWork | It's tradition =) |
| 04:33.36 | Shadowed | Tradition has a base somewhere thought! |
| 04:33.44 | Dagmar | k.d.lang is Canadian? |
| 04:33.46 | Dagmar | I didn't know that |
| 04:33.51 | Cairenn | yes |
| 04:33.54 | DWSR | mhm |
| 04:34.00 | Cairenn | I hate the way she's butchering the song though |
| 04:34.00 | DWSR | So's Ryan Reynolds. |
| 04:34.07 | DWSR | Cairenn: He? |
| 04:34.07 | Shadowed | I'm not sure if that was ever really an accurate phrasing WobWork? |
| 04:34.20 | DWSR | If you tell me that's a girl on stage, I quit life. |
| 04:34.21 | Cairenn | DWSR: ROFL |
| 04:34.22 | Cairenn | she |
| 04:34.30 | Dagmar | Hahahahah |
| 04:34.38 | Dagmar | My co-worker is having the same mental dilemna |
| 04:34.45 | WobWork | heheh |
| 04:34.45 | DWSR | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.48 | Dagmar | She's like "That's a guy that's not k.d.lang" |
| 04:34.50 | Cairenn | she is (physically) female |
| 04:34.59 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 04:35.05 | DWSR | Ok |
| 04:35.11 | DWSR | So I'm a) not alone and b) partly right |
| 04:35.17 | WobWork | well no |
| 04:35.22 | Dagmar | You could say that |
| 04:35.23 | Cairenn | no |
| 04:35.23 | WobWork | she doesn't identify as male |
| 04:35.30 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 04:35.39 | WobWork | so, a) =) |
| 04:35.41 | Dagmar | She's just really, really butch and expects you to have the good sense to figure it out on your own |
| 04:35.55 | DWSR | Was the person who is currently wailing on stage ever, at some point, a man? |
| 04:36.04 | Dagmar | It's not as big of a deal as some people make it out to be |
| 04:36.06 | Cairenn | DWSR: no |
| 04:36.09 | WobWork | no |
| 04:36.10 | Cairenn | Dagmar: yes :) |
| 04:36.17 | DWSR | Now I'm more confused. |
| 04:36.24 | WobWork | no she never was male |
| 04:36.26 | DWSR | /wrists |
| 04:36.32 | WobWork | no she never identified as male |
| 04:36.37 | WobWork | and yes, it's not that big of a deal =) |
| 04:36.41 | DWSR | Because that voice is definitely an alt. |
| 04:36.42 | DWSR | alto* |
| 04:36.57 | Cairenn | DWSR: sweetie, I keep trying to have patience with you, but ... you really really need to grow up some |
| 04:36.58 | DWSR | WobWork: No, it's not a big deal to me, it's just that I'm confused. |
| 04:36.58 | WobWork | well, better than basso profundo =) |
| 04:37.10 | Dagmar | She's a chick, she's always been a chick, and to my knowledge she's always been into chicks as well |
| 04:37.17 | Cairenn | Dagmar: correct |
| 04:37.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: Thank you |
| 04:37.19 | Dagmar | I *think* I might know where she lives |
| 04:37.27 | Dagmar | I'll ask my gf later |
| 04:37.36 | DWSR | Cairenn: See, that's all you had to say |
| 04:38.05 | Dagmar | Some issue with local zoning and a BUNCH of garish neon signs in the windows as a result |
| 04:38.12 | Dagmar | It makes the house notable when I pass it |
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| 04:38.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: As I've never heard of KD Lang before, it's just a little confusing, because she's singing an alto. |
| 04:38.52 | DWSR | Which isn't to say that I've never heard a woman to that, it's just that it's unusually. |
| 04:38.55 | DWSR | unusual* |
| 04:39.03 | Dagmar | I've heard of her because I used to hang out in a lot of gay clubs |
| 04:39.19 | Snigermis | ok that was the basics in lua. and notes taken ;P poor paper ;P |
| 04:39.22 | Dagmar | <-- still not gay tho |
| 04:39.34 | DWSR | Oh wow, Betty Fox? |
| 04:39.57 | Dagmar | If it makes you feel better, I've no idea who the hell Betty Fox is |
| 04:40.11 | DWSR | Dagmar: Do you know who terry Fox is? |
| 04:40.21 | DWSR | (probably not) |
| 04:40.26 | Dagmar | You know I get the feeling that for a lot of folks this is feeling like a giant coming out party |
| 04:40.32 | Cairenn | now, see, SHE should have been singing! |
| 04:40.35 | Dagmar | "OMG all these people are secretly canadian?" |
| 04:40.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: luz. |
| 04:40.44 | DWSR | Dagmar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Fox |
| 04:41.00 | DWSR | Basically, he lost his leg to cancer and tried to run all the way across canada. |
| 04:41.04 | DWSR | On a prostetic. |
| 04:41.08 | DWSR | Prostetic(sp?) |
| 04:41.09 | batbot | DWSR, Prosthetic. |
| 04:41.11 | DWSR | thank you |
| 04:41.13 | Dagmar | I still don't get it |
| 04:41.17 | Dagmar | They got a jogger's mom out there? |
| 04:41.26 | DWSR | Dagmar: He's a notable cancer surviver. |
| 04:41.29 | DWSR | survivor* |
| 04:41.32 | frontendloader | wow I never would have guessed k.d. lang was both canadian and lesbian |
| 04:41.33 | Cairenn | ummm, no |
| 04:41.36 | Dagmar | So they trot his mom out |
| 04:41.40 | Cairenn | he didn't survive |
| 04:41.40 | Dagmar | frontendloader: lol |
| 04:41.52 | DWSR | Cairenn: Good point, I guess. |
| 04:41.59 | DWSR | Cairenn: He survived 1 bout. |
| 04:42.26 | Dagmar | So no rebuilding him and teaching him to ride a bike then |
| 04:42.30 | DWSR | Dagmar: They had to amputate his leg to stop the cancer from spreading to the rest of his body. |
| 04:42.31 | DWSR | Dagmar: No. |
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| 04:42.53 | DWSR | Dagmar: After that, he (tried to) run across Canada. |
| 04:43.05 | DWSR | In support of cancer research. |
| 04:43.06 | Cairenn | got a fair way |
| 04:43.10 | DWSR | He made it, about half way I think? |
| 04:43.15 | Cairenn | unfortunately, not all the way |
| 04:43.16 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 04:43.21 | WobWork | that's pretty awesome |
| 04:43.46 | Cairenn | there's an annual run every year all across Canada in his memory |
| 04:43.48 | WobWork | and DWSR, you don't hear women singing alto? whut? |
| 04:43.49 | DWSR | Dagmar: He ran about 23 miles a day. |
| 04:43.55 | DWSR | And there's an annual run...what Cairenn said. |
| 04:44.02 | Cairenn | continuing his legacy of raising money for cancer research |
| 04:44.06 | DWSR | WobWork: I have heard of women signing alto. |
| 04:44.17 | WobWork | Cairenn: I take it the amputation didn't -stop- the cancer? =\ |
| 04:44.19 | DWSR | alto's the wrong word. |
| 04:44.21 | DWSR | WobWork: No. |
| 04:44.22 | Dagmar | How is a woman singing alto a big deal? |
| 04:44.23 | Cairenn | now, talking about a lady with a set of pipes on her! |
| 04:44.24 | WobWork | yeah =) |
| 04:44.26 | WobWork | aw =( |
| 04:44.30 | DWSR | Dagmar: Alto's the wrong word. |
| 04:44.34 | WobWork | Tenor? |
| 04:44.35 | Dagmar | It's just below soprano |
| 04:44.37 | DWSR | Cairenn: Indeed. Holy shit. |
| 04:44.42 | DWSR | Yeah, I'm thinking Tenor. |
| 04:44.45 | DWSR | I can't remember all of this. |
| 04:44.55 | WobWork | Tenor is still a bit lower than alto |
| 04:44.56 | DWSR | It's basseto, tenor, alto, soprano, right? |
| 04:45.06 | WobWork | bass, tenor, alto soprano, yeah |
| 04:45.07 | DWSR | something like that? |
| 04:45.13 | DWSR | yeah, I'm thinking tenor. |
| 04:45.26 | WobWork | with baritone, mezzo in between |
| 04:45.26 | Cairenn | Soprano, alto, tenor, bass (heh, I went the other direction, guess because I'm female) |
| 04:45.29 | DWSR | Holy shit, this woman's fucking win. |
| 04:45.35 | DWSR | Cairenn: heh |
| 04:45.42 | Dagmar | Her hair needs valium |
| 04:45.50 | DWSR | Dagmar: Dude, I love it. Doesn't even matter. |
| 04:45.51 | Dagmar | It's just a little too excited to b here |
| 04:45.59 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 04:46.08 | DWSR | She totally had an orgasm in that finale. |
| 04:46.31 | Cairenn | would have loved to have had Anne singing |
| 04:46.51 | WobWork | and basso profundo, and coloratura at the ends |
| 04:47.03 | WobWork | (and counter tenor) |
| 04:47.06 | WobWork | (in the middle) |
| 04:47.23 | Cairenn | coloratura is .... omfg, how the hell does anyone get their voice that high |
| 04:47.26 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:47.29 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 04:47.30 | WobWork | inorite/ |
| 04:47.31 | WobWork | ? |
| 04:47.39 | WobWork | Queen of the Night aria is -amazing- |
| 04:47.44 | DWSR | Cairenn: Lulz, CTV was so stuck for content during the 1 minute silence. |
| 04:47.52 | DWSR | WobWork: Linkeh to a decent performance? |
| 04:48.05 | Dagmar | dwsr: It would be a bit RUDE to cut away to something else |
| 04:48.07 | WobWork | DWSR: any performance really... if they -can- sing it... |
| 04:48.12 | Cairenn | indeed, Dagmar! |
| 04:48.31 | DWSR | Yes. They *should* have just stuck to the "in memory of" splash screen for the 1 minute. |
| 04:48.39 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ODfuMMyss |
| 04:48.40 | DWSR | Instead they cycled through a bunch of stuff. |
| 04:48.45 | Dagmar | Oh wow. Faaaaail |
| 04:49.27 | WobWork | woo |
| 04:49.31 | WobWork | she does it effortlessly |
| 04:49.40 | DWSR | That's what he said. |
| 04:49.41 | DWSR | WOW |
| 04:49.47 | DWSR | I totally was not expecting that deep of a voice. |
| 04:49.52 | Dagmar | Car commercial on NBC now |
| 04:50.14 | DWSR | Dagmar: lulz, 6'2" guy walks out. |
| 04:50.18 | DWSR | Pretty average looking. |
| 04:50.22 | DWSR | Bass. |
| 04:50.40 | DWSR | I did a double take. |
| 04:50.44 | elec29a | 1 last question how could they detect if i use findwindow with SendMouseClick(int iHandle, int X, int Y) and highrestimer ? as external app ? and dont kick me for a simple question |
| 04:50.46 | WobWork | DWSR: pft, I'm 5"6' and sing bass =P |
| 04:51.03 | DWSR | WobWork: You also a fattie? ;P |
| 04:51.06 | Dagmar | elec29a: Any question involving "how could they detect" is not going to make you friends here |
| 04:51.07 | Torhal | elec29a: We don't support botting |
| 04:51.17 | WobWork | 120lbs |
| 04:51.21 | Torhal | You were kicked from #wowace for a reason |
| 04:51.22 | elec29a | ok |
| 04:51.24 | Torhal | Don't repeat it here |
| 04:51.36 | WobWork | (so, really not =)) |
| 04:52.02 | DWSR | elec29a: Using an external app to do *ANYTHING* involving interaction with WoW while WoW.exe is running is botting. |
| 04:52.12 | Cairenn | it'll get you kicked very fast, indeed |
| 04:52.17 | DWSR | elec29a: It's against the ToS and you can and most likely *will* be banned for it. |
| 04:52.20 | DWSR | Very swiftly. |
| 04:52.27 | elec29a | ok |
| 04:53.14 | elec29a | dont missunderstand me i hate it only to klick every 40 secs lifetap |
| 04:53.24 | DWSR | elec29a: I'm a warlock |
| 04:53.42 | DWSR | You are life-tapping more than once every 40 seconds. |
| 04:53.42 | Cairenn | and here comes the flame! |
| 04:53.43 | Arrowmaster | dont click it, keybind it |
| 04:53.48 | DWSR | No matter what spec and what level of gear you have. |
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| 04:54.03 | DWSR | elec29a: So, it's pretty easy to keep the buff up. |
| 04:54.19 | Cairenn | Rick Hanson wheeling it in |
| 04:54.29 | DWSR | Thanks for the play-by-play Cairenn |
| 04:54.31 | DWSR | ;) |
| 04:54.32 | elec29a | ok |
| 04:54.33 | Cairenn | :p |
| 04:55.05 | DWSR | elec29a: Also, if you have mostly 251/264 ilvl gear, you should be using another glyph. |
| 04:55.14 | Torhal | shifuimam: Just approved ShifPrint |
| 04:55.46 | DWSR | OH WOW, Nancy Greene? |
| 04:56.11 | DWSR | WAYNE GRETSKY |
| 04:56.13 | DWSR | woot woot. |
| 04:56.22 | DWSR | Notice how he gets the *loudest* applause? |
| 04:57.26 | DWSR | Hehe. |
| 04:57.26 | Dagmar | That's because he's a *hockey player* in *Canada* |
| 04:57.32 | DWSR | indeed |
| 04:57.49 | Cairenn | he's crying |
| 04:57.52 | DWSR | Kinda ironic that the para doesn't have to hold the torch with his hands, yet he probably has the strongest arms out of the lot. |
| 04:57.53 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:57.58 | DWSR | Cairenn: Is he? I didn't notice. |
| 04:58.12 | Cairenn | yeah, that last shot, you could see tears trickling down his cheeks |
| 04:58.14 | Dagmar | In just a moment, all these people will rush the center and engage in mortal combat to determine who has the TRUE Olympic Flame |
| 04:58.26 | DWSR | THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE |
| 04:58.38 | Cairenn | he isn't the only one, either |
| 04:58.44 | DWSR | LOL |
| 04:58.53 | DWSR | There's a problem with the cauldron. |
| 04:58.54 | Cairenn | oooooops |
| 04:58.55 | DWSR | Nice.\ |
| 04:59.02 | DWSR | Someone's getting fired for that shit. |
| 04:59.02 | Cairenn | there we go |
| 04:59.21 | DWSR | Isn't there supposed to be a.....4th column? |
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| 04:59.52 | DWSR | Yep |
| 04:59.55 | DWSR | Ahahahaha |
| 05:00.34 | DWSR | Someone totally fails. |
| 05:01.07 | DWSR | That's a neat looking torch. |
| 05:01.09 | Dagmar | Good enough |
| 05:01.23 | DWSR | yes |
| 05:01.30 | Dagmar | Even if one of the four didn't come up it still looks incredibly cool |
| 05:01.37 | DWSR | Indeed. |
| 05:01.45 | DWSR | OH WOW |
| 05:01.57 | DWSR | Totally thought someone opened up on the stadium. |
| 05:02.05 | DWSR | Fireworks lulz. |
| 05:02.14 | Dagmar | I was more worried that one of those might be needed to hold something up or somethin' |
| 05:02.30 | DWSR | Dagmar: Nah. |
| 05:02.50 | Dagmar | Wayne's running off to light the _real_ cauldron |
| 05:02.54 | DWSR | mhm |
| 05:03.06 | DWSR | Still, the torch is an incredibly cool design piece, even with only 3. |
| 05:05.11 | DWSR | Who the hell is protesting WHAT? |
| 05:06.30 | DWSR | Cairenn: Do you know what the protesters were protesting? |
| 05:06.38 | Cairenn | nope |
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| 05:09.10 | elec29a | is it difficult to add a button (aka import grp) to wow kalender traverse actual group and add all member to event index i dont find such an addon... and yes i dont know 0 about lua or wowuidev |
| 05:09.56 | DWSR | elec29a: What's your native language? |
| 05:10.09 | elec29a | italian german half half nothing real |
| 05:10.17 | DWSR | Anyone? |
| 05:11.51 | DWSR | Those torches are really good. |
| 05:12.14 | DWSR | s/good/nice looking. |
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| 05:13.05 | Dagmar | nice audio |
| 05:13.37 | DWSR | Cairenn: lulz. Announcer's like "This is a special torch". Obviously didn't see them switch it. |
| 05:13.46 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 05:14.08 | DWSR | Oh WOW |
| 05:14.15 | DWSR | They replicated the torch! |
| 05:14.38 | Shirik | replicated? |
| 05:14.54 | Cairenn | oh shit, I thought it was going to go out |
| 05:15.02 | DWSR | Cairenn: inorite? |
| 05:16.22 | DWSR | That's a really nice looking torch |
| 05:16.36 | DWSR | I have to say, that this Olympics is really spectacular in terms of design and visual. |
| 05:16.51 | DWSR | the medals look cool, the torches looked cool, the big torch is awesome |
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| 05:19.14 | DWSR | that was cool |
| 05:19.17 | DWSR | I'm glad I watched that. |
| 05:20.05 | Cairenn | I'm glad my daughter's D&D session is going most of the night, so I didn't have to go pick her up after all and miss any of it |
| 05:20.42 | WobWork | how'd they light the cauldron? |
| 05:20.47 | Torhal | WobWork: Magic |
| 05:20.50 | Torhal | <.< |
| 05:20.51 | Torhal | >.> |
| 05:20.59 | WobWork | well that's how they do -every- olympic lighting |
| 05:21.04 | WobWork | how'd they do it -this- time? |
| 05:21.12 | Cairenn | Canadian magic |
| 05:21.19 | Cairenn | *grin*\ |
| 05:21.34 | WobWork | Like normal magic, but slightly more apologetic about it? |
| 05:21.38 | Torhal | ... |
| 05:21.40 | Torhal | Ouch |
| 05:21.46 | Cairenn | polite, not apologetic |
| 05:21.48 | DWSR | Cairenn: Wait. |
| 05:21.53 | WobWork | "Sorry" =) |
| 05:21.56 | DWSR | Daughter's Dungeeons and Dragons? |
| 05:22.09 | Torhal | DWSR: That's how awesome Cairenn is |
| 05:22.10 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:22.26 | Cairenn | DWSR: yeah, her D&D group is running a session tonight |
| 05:22.42 | WobWork | DWSR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDRoL7ziDP4&feature=related is an awesome piece with some -very- high note registers |
| 05:22.58 | Cairenn | so she'll just crash there for the night |
| 05:23.12 | Cairenn | they'll likely play until 4 or 5 am as it is |
| 05:23.21 | WobWork | hardcore D&D |
| 05:23.23 | DWSR | Cairenn: Definitely the most win mother ever. |
| 05:23.38 | Cairenn | why? because my daughter plays D&D? |
| 05:24.06 | Arrowmaster | i miss playing D&D until the sun came up |
| 05:24.08 | Cairenn | she also plays WoW and Half-life |
| 05:24.30 | DWSR | Cairenn: No, because you're ok with it. |
| 05:24.39 | Cairenn | why on earth wouldn't I be? |
| 05:25.00 | Torhal | D&D isn't code for "Decapitation and Dismemberment" |
| 05:25.26 | Cairenn | I've played it |
| 05:25.30 | Cairenn | hubby played it |
| 05:25.33 | DWSR | Cairenn: That would be my point. |
| 05:25.35 | Cairenn | what's the big deal? |
| 05:25.36 | DWSR | Cairenn: Hence, win mom. |
| 05:25.47 | DWSR | Most moms aren't as supportive of that. |
| 05:25.47 | Cairenn | darlin, I'm not /that/ old |
| 05:25.58 | DWSR | I never said you were. :) |
| 05:26.07 | Torhal | I am! |
| 05:27.05 | Cairenn | aaanyway .... with the ceremonies now concluded, I return this channel to its regularly scheduled programming |
| 05:28.41 | Cairenn | is very disappointed by the lack of groans |
| 05:29.23 | DWSR | doesn't want to make an innuendo. |
| 05:29.39 | Cairenn | about the puns :p |
| 05:29.43 | DWSR | :P |
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| 05:31.15 | elec29a | there is a function for GetSpellBonusDamage but howto display haste ? i need both is it something with GetCombatRating |
| 05:32.49 | DWSR | yes |
| 05:34.16 | Snigermis | hmm now |
| 05:34.31 | Snigermis | its getting easier to understand the code a bit ;P i love my new fav fundtion Hide(); |
| 05:35.23 | elec29a | but i cant write GetCombatRating(CR_HASTE_SPELL) i dont understand index |
| 05:35.56 | elec29a | other addons use index 20 |
| 05:43.26 | Snigermis | hmm one liitle question .WOW addon related... looking in UnitFrame.lua... theres only functions.. anyone know where they get handled in the FrameXML area? |
| 05:44.29 | Arrowmaster | they dont |
| 05:44.42 | Arrowmaster | you have to create unitframes completely differently than the default ui unitframes |
| 05:45.06 | Snigermis | so if i wanted to just remove the dam portrait.. its not possible? ;P |
| 05:45.19 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:45.35 | ccox | hell is: running heroic with a DK tank who doesn't know how to use diseases |
| 05:45.54 | Snigermis | ccox. and hes in unholy aspect ;P |
| 05:46.05 | ccox | no, we fixed that after the first pull |
| 05:47.54 | Snigermis | ;) |
| 05:48.52 | Snigermis | what about just moving the Anchor points for the Unitframes? |
| 05:49.00 | Snigermis | those are the small things I'm looking for ;P |
| 05:49.57 | WobWork | ccox: hehe an unholy tank that doesn't use DKs would be like a pally |
| 05:50.02 | Snigermis | hehe |
| 05:50.02 | WobWork | er |
| 05:50.04 | WobWork | doesn't use diseases |
| 05:50.13 | WobWork | consecrate =P |
| 05:50.16 | ccox | this one was a frost DK, just clueless |
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| 05:52.48 | Snigermis | Arrowmaster so its not possible to move it around even? the unitframes |
| 05:53.10 | Arrowmaster | not without issues |
| 05:53.17 | WobWork | what Arrowmaster is saying, is that if you want to modify unitframes in any way, you have to write them from scratch |
| 05:53.27 | WobWork | I advise you look at something like oUF |
| 05:53.29 | Snigermis | hehe that will be the last one ;P |
| 05:53.34 | WobWork | where you can build your own setup |
| 05:53.38 | Snigermis | what about buffs? same thing? |
| 05:53.48 | WobWork | without having to look too closely at actually making the stuff |
| 05:54.10 | DWSR | Snigermis: oUF basically takes care of all of the underlying implementation details. |
| 05:54.35 | DWSR | It takes care of things like updating health bars and whatnot. |
| 05:54.41 | DWSR | You take care of *everything* else. |
| 05:54.51 | DWSR | And yes, oUF includes ways to handle buffs. |
| 05:54.51 | Snigermis | but can i use that like setting Default params for all chars. on first load.. |
| 05:55.27 | DWSR | yes |
| 05:55.29 | DWSR | I think |
| 05:55.38 | DWSR | The OOTB settings for oUF are reasonable, I tihnk |
| 05:55.46 | Snigermis | :) |
| 05:56.09 | WobWork | DWSR: well, not true... oUF OOTB is nothing, isn't it? |
| 05:56.17 | WobWork | you actually need a theme to show something |
| 05:56.23 | Snigermis | what I'm making is a UI that does all the new stuff for me ;P like keybindings. render area, positions. channels. and that ;P |
| 05:56.24 | DWSR | WobWork: I believe that it comes with a decent OOTB theme. |
| 05:56.29 | WobWork | oh yeah |
| 05:58.02 | Snigermis | is there a diff if you load lua first.. or that doesnt matter? |
| 05:58.11 | DWSR | what do you maen? |
| 05:58.14 | DWSR | If you load Lua first. |
| 05:58.20 | Snigermis | in the toc |
| 05:58.27 | Torhal | DWSR: Tonight, it seems, is /wrists Night |
| 05:58.28 | Snigermis | lua then xml |
| 05:58.39 | DWSR | idneed |
| 05:58.46 | DWSR | Snigermis: You don't control load order. |
| 05:58.48 | Snigermis | and I'm the cause ;P |
| 05:58.49 | Torhal | Snigermis: Typically, the xml file defines how the Lua is used |
| 05:58.50 | DWSR | And you shouldn't be writing XML |
| 05:58.55 | Snigermis | DWSR thansk ;P |
| 05:59.01 | Torhal | So you'd load the xmnl file before the lua file |
| 05:59.02 | WobWork | DWSR: well, you do -inside- the TOC |
| 05:59.08 | Snigermis | well oUF comes with xml lol |
| 05:59.09 | Torhal | But anyway - what DWSR said is true |
| 05:59.23 | Torhal | Most folks abandoned XMl |
| 05:59.35 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 05:59.40 | DWSR | You don't write XML for oUF |
| 05:59.44 | DWSR | You only write Lua, from what I've seen |
| 05:59.55 | Snigermis | maybe. but the addon comes with a xml lol |
| 06:00.38 | DWSR | yes |
| 06:00.40 | DWSR | You don't touch it. |
| 06:00.51 | Torhal | DWSR: Is it ok to want to gouge your own eyes out with an olive fork? |
| 06:01.12 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 06:01.22 | Torhal | I'll resist the urge, then. |
| 06:01.23 | WobWork | Torhal: it's nice you're using specialised equipment |
| 06:01.40 | WobWork | It's so gauche to use the wrong utensil at the table |
| 06:05.03 | kdtresh | i don't think i've heard the word "gauche" since a vocabulary test in like 5th grade |
| 06:05.31 | kdtresh | it was right along with "bumptious" |
| 06:06.12 | kdtresh | and bellicose and sycophant |
| 06:06.21 | kdtresh | i'm glad my brain remembers that worthless garbage after so many years |
| 06:07.58 | WobWork | I live but to serve. For our vocabulary should be well maintained =) |
| 06:08.32 | WobWork | DWSR: omg |
| 06:08.38 | WobWork | I see what you mean about not expecting that voice |
| 06:08.43 | WobWork | from Garou |
| 06:11.01 | WobWork | but for some reason... |
| 06:11.06 | WobWork | I'm still getting it as a tenor range |
| 06:17.14 | WobWork | holy crap =( |
| 06:17.15 | WobWork | http://www.newser.com/article/d9dr3qt80/heartbroken-beyond-words-georgian-luger-dies-after-crash-at-treacherous-olympic-track.html |
| 06:17.35 | Cairenn | you didn't hear about that? |
| 06:17.39 | kdtresh | the video of that makes me sick to my stomach |
| 06:17.44 | Torhal | WobWork: Yah - they had a minute of silence before the lighting of the torch |
| 06:17.52 | Cairenn | I was commenting on it (much) earlier today |
| 06:18.04 | Cairenn | horrible horrible start to the games :( |
| 06:18.28 | kdtresh | i'm curious why they don't have any kind of guardrail over the track |
| 06:18.59 | WobWork | kdtresh: I suspect if he'd hit a guardrail over the track, his luge would have run over him |
| 06:19.13 | WobWork | Cairenn: Been working =( |
| 06:19.19 | kdtresh | better to be alive and injured than the alternative |
| 06:19.20 | Cairenn | WobWork: nod |
| 06:19.20 | WobWork | I've not read the news in a few days |
| 06:19.54 | WobWork | omg |
| 06:19.59 | WobWork | way to be tacky, Google Ads |
| 06:20.02 | kdtresh | apparently every olympics has to have the "fastest track ever" |
| 06:20.15 | WobWork | http://screencast.com/t/ZjIyZGM4 |
| 06:22.31 | DWSR | kdtresh: The one in Whistler is actually the world's fastest. |
| 06:23.21 | kdtresh | and next olympics, wherever it is will be |
| 06:23.37 | kdtresh | the last place was, too |
| 06:23.41 | kdtresh | what was it, torino? |
| 06:23.41 | DWSR | no it wasn't. |
| 06:23.46 | DWSR | It was the fastest track seen in the olympics. |
| 06:23.52 | DWSR | But that's the world's fastest track and has been for some time. |
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| 06:36.14 | WobWork | watches Garou's CD sales shoot through the roof after the Opening Ceremony =P |
| 06:43.55 | Esamynn | DWSR: to answer your question, the protesters were protesting the Games, yes, I'm serious :/ |
| 06:44.06 | Esamynn | bunch of wacko morons |
| 06:44.13 | DWSR | lolwhy? |
| 06:44.29 | Esamynn | they think it's a waste of money |
| 06:44.33 | Esamynn | or something |
| 06:44.52 | Esamynn | won't give it up, have to disrupt things |
| 06:45.08 | Esamynn | the torch relay had to divert a couple times to avoid them today |
| 06:46.12 | Esamynn | after reading the log, I'm sorry I was afk while the ceremony was on, but I was about 30 minutes behind live, so I stayed away, oh well |
| 06:47.06 | DWSR | it was really epi |
| 06:47.09 | DWSR | epic* |
| 06:47.21 | Esamynn | yes, it was epic |
| 06:47.32 | Esamynn | first time I've ever watch the opening ceremony of an Olympics |
| 06:47.53 | Esamynn | was cool watching the torch go by today (went past the front of my office) |
| 06:48.26 | Esamynn | really cool that they got of the ceremony with only the one glitch with the cauldron though |
| 06:48.42 | Esamynn | s/of/off/ |
| 06:51.46 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 06:51.50 | DWSR | You should definitely watch a rerun |
| 06:52.35 | Esamynn | DWSR: me? I watched the whole thing, just 30 minutes behind |
| 06:52.54 | Esamynn | I have it recorded |
| 06:53.12 | DWSR | ah |
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| 07:09.38 | Dagmar | Well, I'm jealous |
| 07:10.36 | Dagmar | Looks like it reairs tomorrow. *sets the PVR* |
| 07:11.41 | Dagmar | ACK! No it's reairing now... bleh |
| 07:11.52 | Dagmar | Well, at least it's recording in hi-def |
| 07:12.30 | Esamynn | Dagmar: awww, poor fellow |
| 07:12.58 | Dagmar | At the office we've got a somewhat sketchy DTA retransmitting the digital feed in analog |
| 07:13.06 | Dagmar | I wanna see that fancy projection show in more detail |
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| 07:13.19 | Dagmar | I guess I"ll just have to deal with missing the first 30 minutes or so of it |
| 07:13.40 | Esamynn | I have the entire thing recorded in HD, (got a bunch of extra before hand I wasn't intending either, wish I could edit the first hour 50 out, but oh well |
| 07:13.53 | Dagmar | This is why I have a MythTV box. |
| 07:14.06 | Dagmar | No nonsense with my equipment telling me "No, you can't have that recording to do with as you pleasE" |
| 07:14.12 | Esamynn | lol |
| 07:14.20 | Esamynn | yah, I've never gotten one setup |
| 07:14.29 | Dagmar | It's a little painful still. |
| 07:14.45 | Dagmar | Hopefully I'll find time tomorrow to fix the last bits of the flash streaming for mythweb |
| 07:15.14 | Dagmar | I am probably the last person you'd want working on the core bits, since they're in C++ and I suck at it, but perl I know *well* |
| 07:16.04 | DWSR | lua> fork |
| 07:16.05 | Esamynn | Dagmar: you poor soul |
| 07:16.10 | Dagmar | I'd probably be better at C++ if every book I didn't come across didn't try to represent everything as if C++ invented it and it's all the coolest thing ever |
| 07:16.11 | lua_bot | DWSR: nil |
| 07:16.15 | DWSR | lua> fork() |
| 07:16.23 | lua_bot | DWSR: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'fork' (a nil value) |
| 07:16.28 | DWSR | too bad |
| 07:16.35 | DWSR | Dagmar: fork while fork; ftw. |
| 07:16.38 | Esamynn | ~lart DWSR |
| 07:16.38 | purl | installs PocketPC on DWSR's PDA |
| 07:16.44 | Dagmar | For that matter the whole strings thing gets on my nerves |
| 07:16.46 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 07:16.46 | purl | Esamynn: :) |
| 07:16.54 | Dagmar | They always bill it like it's an end to buffer overflows. |
| 07:17.02 | Esamynn | Dagmar: I meant more that you know perl *well* |
| 07:17.05 | Dagmar | _Simple math_ is an end to buffer overflows. |
| 07:17.28 | Dagmar | Esamynn: I've written and debugged a few million lines of it |
| 07:17.37 | Esamynn | as I said |
| 07:17.41 | Esamynn | "you poor soul" |
| 07:18.02 | Dagmar | It's not great for everything--I wouldn't dare try and write a device driver with it or something--but if you have a task that involves shuffling a lot of text around, it's _really_ hard to beat |
| 07:18.13 | Esamynn | this is true |
| 07:18.32 | Dagmar | It's also pretty darn win for rapidly prototyping something |
| 07:18.47 | Esamynn | I know enough of it to get by |
| 07:19.05 | Dagmar | I *really* like that about it |
| 07:19.13 | Dagmar | People can learn just a little of it and get things done |
| 07:19.18 | Esamynn | fortunately, I've never had to deal with anything other that well written perl code |
| 07:19.39 | Dagmar | You've been lucky in that respect, I think. |
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| 07:19.55 | DWSR | Dagmar: I hate languages where strings aren't primitive data types. |
| 07:20.12 | Esamynn | soooo |
| 07:20.16 | Esamynn | you hate Java? |
| 07:20.19 | Esamynn | and Lua? |
| 07:20.20 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 07:20.38 | DWSR | Strings are primitive data types in Lua. |
| 07:20.43 | DWSR | Well, sort of. |
| 07:20.45 | Esamynn | well, Lua you could call strings primitive types, mostly |
| 07:20.54 | Esamynn | I rest my case |
| 07:20.56 | DWSR | I consider them primitive data types purely because I can go string == "string" |
| 07:21.00 | DWSR | But yes. |
| 07:21.03 | DWSR | Java ugh |
| 07:21.17 | Esamynn | you have a problem with Java? |
| 07:21.19 | DWSR | Everything dealing with strings is just fucking retarded. |
| 07:21.40 | tekkub | what? never |
| 07:21.46 | Esamynn | Java abstracts EVERYTHING up the ying yang |
| 07:21.49 | tekkub | how could *anything* be complex with strings? |
| 07:22.00 | tekkub | mmmm.. abstracted ying yangs |
| 07:22.00 | Dagmar | There's good reason they abstract everything |
| 07:22.01 | DWSR | tekkub: Have you ever used Java? |
| 07:22.04 | Esamynn | even when it really shouldn't |
| 07:22.16 | tekkub | DWSR: I've been trying for a week to write an adroid app |
| 07:22.26 | Dagmar | *jealous* |
| 07:22.30 | tekkub | so far I have... a list that is filled from a static array of strings |
| 07:22.34 | DWSR | tekkub: Strings aren't a primitive data type. It's rediculous. |
| 07:22.43 | tekkub | I tried to use two arrays for a souce, so I could show two things.. |
| 07:22.49 | tekkub | and that's kinda where I'm stuck |
| 07:22.50 | Shirik | DWSR: They aren't in most languages... |
| 07:22.57 | Shirik | hell, they aren't even in Java |
| 07:23.02 | DWSR | That would be my point. |
| 07:23.07 | DWSR | They are in Lua. |
| 07:23.09 | DWSR | Lua's ok |
| 07:23.19 | Shirik | "Lua's ok, the rest of the world is wrong"? |
| 07:23.22 | DWSR | String.equals("string") <-- This is fucking retarded. |
| 07:23.30 | DWSR | Shirik: strings are primitive in at least PHP and Ruby as well. |
| 07:23.41 | Shirik | all of which are scripting languages |
| 07:23.47 | Shirik | and 2 of those 3 are crappy languages at that |
| 07:23.55 | Esamynn | DWSR: abstraction! :P |
| 07:23.58 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk, eh whut, Garou's last album was 7 years ago? |
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| 07:28.15 | Dagmar | By now, thanks to the complexity of the various character sets, it's about time we started dealing with strings as primitives |
| 07:30.40 | Shirik | For those of you looking for a cheap computer, $239: 1 eMachines EL1331G-01w Athlon 2850e 1.8GHz, 2GB, 320GB, DL DVD±RW, Windows 7 Home Prem |
| 07:31.10 | Thunder_Child | thats not cheap, thats a paper weight |
| 07:31.14 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 07:31.22 | DWSR | Dagmar: Strings should be primitives. |
| 07:31.23 | DWSR | Sorry. |
| 07:31.24 | Shirik | it's good for work |
| 07:31.39 | Dagmar | How is that sorry? I agree, they should be primitives |
| 07:31.40 | DWSR | Shirik: Is there any fucking way to make String == "string" work in Java? |
| 07:31.45 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:31.49 | Shirik | intern your strings |
| 07:31.58 | Dagmar | With ASCII it was fine to not have them that way, but now they're complex and have lives of their own so to speak |
| 07:32.07 | Dagmar | Best to let the computer deal with the fine detail |
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| 07:32.28 | Shirik | DWSR: String.intern() will always return the same object for a given string |
| 07:32.37 | Shirik | so if both strings are interned, you can use == for comparison |
| 07:32.41 | Shirik | I do that in Minion actually |
| 07:32.42 | DWSR | O_O |
| 07:32.47 | Shirik | but I do that because I have like 16k strings at one point |
| 07:32.49 | DWSR | So string1.intern() == "string" ? |
| 07:32.56 | Shirik | no |
| 07:33.02 | Shirik | string1.intern() == "string".intern() |
| 07:33.14 | Shirik | but that's going to be worse for performance |
| 07:33.14 | DWSR | ah |
| 07:33.28 | DWSR | Why? |
| 07:33.30 | Shirik | usually you intern strings because you want to save memory/improve performance on a string comparison that will occur many times |
| 07:33.39 | DWSR | It just calls string1.equals("string") |
| 07:33.42 | Shirik | because the intern operation itself requires a bunch of string comparisons |
| 07:33.44 | Shirik | no it doesn't |
| 07:34.02 | DWSR | Ah, nevermind, I'm looking at the Java docs now. |
| 07:34.03 | DWSR | I see |
| 07:34.04 | Shirik | interning a string looks at a set of known strings for equality and returns the object that represents that object (or creates a new one) |
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| 07:34.52 | Shirik | I do this in Minion because it's involved in an O(n^2) operation and I will hold onto the strings for a long time, but need to do tons of comparisons, so I pay the cost of interning up front and then the comparison is extremely quick |
| 07:34.56 | Esamynn | all hard coded strings are intern'd automatically |
| 07:35.21 | DWSR | Esamynn: You mean literal strings? |
| 07:35.26 | Esamynn | yes |
| 07:35.31 | Esamynn | couldn't remember the word |
| 07:35.43 | Shirik | and you call yourself a coder |
| 07:35.46 | Shirik | unacceptable |
| 07:35.57 | Esamynn | ~lart Shirik |
| 07:35.57 | purl | executes killall -TERM Shirik |
| 07:35.59 | Esamynn | ~lart me |
| 07:35.59 | purl | beats esamynn senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
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| 07:36.13 | DWSR | So string1.intern() == "string" actually works? |
| 07:36.16 | Dagmar | I bet some of you think 50lb is heavy |
| 07:36.16 | Esamynn | purl: only TERM, not KILL? :( |
| 07:36.36 | Esamynn | Dagmar: as something to be hit with, yes |
| 07:36.55 | Dagmar | Esamynn: I do remember seeing UNIX manuals on paper once |
| 07:37.06 | Shirik | 50 is nearly half my weight, so yes |
| 07:37.15 | Dagmar | Not one but two rolling carts, with three ring binders strapped to the top |
| 07:37.27 | DWSR | lol |
| 07:37.32 | Esamynn | damn |
| 07:37.34 | Dagmar | Yeah |
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| 07:37.50 | Dagmar | Literally eight feet of documentation from end to end |
| 07:37.53 | DWSR | Torhal |
| 07:38.12 | Reecieboy | hey guys, whats the function to make a popup message in c |
| 07:38.24 | Dagmar | Of course that was also about the time I saw a printed map of the internet on a wall--when you could still print it with ASCII and have it readable |
| 07:38.28 | DWSR | "a popup message"? |
| 07:38.33 | Dagmar | Reecieboy: Lua doesn't do C |
| 07:38.35 | Reecieboy | dialog box |
| 07:38.50 | Reecieboy | dammit. |
| 07:38.52 | Dagmar | Depending on your presentation format, the call may be different |
| 07:39.01 | Reecieboy | sorry to bother you |
| 07:39.05 | Dagmar | i.e., if it's a text dialog, there's a [n]curses function you call |
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| 07:39.30 | Shirik | There is no such thing as "popup message in C" C has no knowledge of GUI concepts |
| 07:39.32 | Dagmar | There are similar, multiply-different (bad grammar I know) calls for gtk+ and Qt |
| 07:39.41 | Shirik | It's entirely dependent upon your API |
| 07:39.45 | Esamynn | Shirik: dang, you beat me to it |
| 07:39.56 | Shirik | Esamynn: It's my 114 wpm! |
| 07:40.03 | Torhal | DWSR: Hmm? |
| 07:40.10 | Esamynn | Shirik: I was distracted |
| 07:40.47 | DWSR | Torhal: Your wrists ok? |
| 07:40.56 | Esamynn | "Released under Seerah's super awesome license of uber awesomeness" <-- who said this? |
| 07:40.56 | Reecieboy | Shirik was a mis-understanding i worked it out, ty |
| 07:41.10 | Torhal | DWSR: ? |
| 07:41.12 | Dagmar | There's also predefined functions for X and forms (if you'd like to make everyone wonder when your head injury was) |
| 07:41.14 | Shirik | Well Seerah came up with the license |
| 07:41.19 | Shirik | I just chose to release the channel under it |
| 07:41.36 | Esamynn | ... |
| 07:41.51 | DWSR | Torhal: That user earlier that was borderline retarded? |
| 07:41.53 | Esamynn | and just who gave you the right to license the channel? |
| 07:41.58 | Shirik | me |
| 07:42.04 | Thunder_Child | the '@' did |
| 07:42.07 | DWSR | ^ |
| 07:42.13 | Esamynn | bullshit |
| 07:42.24 | Thunder_Child | well, no one is contesting it |
| 07:42.41 | Dagmar | Whatcha need is a big gold '@' medallion to wear, like that rapper guy |
| 07:42.43 | Esamynn | I protest! |
| 07:42.55 | DWSR | Dagmar: Flava Flav?\ |
| 07:42.56 | Thunder_Child | all talk no action Esamynn |
| 07:43.07 | Dagmar | DWSR: That'll work, but maybe not quite that large |
| 07:43.08 | Esamynn | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 07:43.08 | purl | whips out a sword and chops Thunder_Child in half |
| 07:43.14 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Esamynn] by Shirik |
| 07:43.17 | Shirik | ok fix it yourself |
| 07:43.19 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o Esamynn] by ChanServ |
| 07:43.22 | Dagmar | DWSR: No need to set yourself up for a spinal deformity. That would be HEAVY |
| 07:43.26 | Shirik | aw, it appears ChanServ didn't want you to change the license |
| 07:43.27 | Shirik | you lose |
| 07:43.42 | Esamynn | haha |
| 07:43.44 | Dagmar | Something 4-6 inches across would be perfect |
| 07:43.51 | Esamynn | I think you knew that would happen Shirik :P |
| 07:46.01 | Esamynn | hmm, should I go out and see the Olympic Torch tonight, or tomorrow? |
| 07:46.37 | Dagmar | Tomorrow will probably be covered in touristas |
| 07:46.38 | DWSR | tonight Esamynn |
| 07:47.07 | Esamynn | checks what time SeaBus closes |
| 07:47.35 | Esamynn | hmm, lots of time |
| 07:48.11 | Esamynn | assuming it's not packed with people getting home after celebrating |
| 07:48.32 | DWSR | Esamynn: It's about midnight where you are, right? |
| 07:48.37 | Esamynn | aye |
| 07:48.43 | DWSR | I bet that, by about 2am, it won't be packed. Perfect time to go and see it |
| 07:49.13 | Esamynn | SeaBus closes at 2:16 |
| 07:49.17 | DWSR | Though, I'm a night owl. |
| 07:49.27 | DWSR | SeaBus? |
| 07:49.40 | Esamynn | aye, my best option for getting over town to see it |
| 07:49.52 | Dagmar | You can't just ride your moose over? |
| 07:49.56 | Dagmar | :D |
| 07:50.01 | DWSR | There any other pubtrans for you to take back? |
| 07:50.16 | Esamynn | yes, but I think I'll go nowish |
| 07:56.24 | Wobin | ugh 88% huymidity |
| 07:56.39 | Dagmar | Ah but what's the temp? |
| 07:57.27 | Wobin | it doesn't matter =P |
| 07:57.44 | Wobin | 88% humidity is uncomfortable, no matter the temperature |
| 07:57.56 | Wobin | of course.. it's gotten better, already |
| 07:58.02 | Wobin | it was 98% earlier =( |
| 07:58.03 | Dagmar | 88% humidity at 70F is no big deal |
| 07:58.16 | Dagmar | 88% humidity at 90F will make you hate everyone |
| 07:58.29 | Wobin | It's about that now |
| 07:58.32 | Wobin | it was that earlier |
| 07:58.43 | Dagmar | OKay yeah that's early fall weather for TN and I agree it sucks |
| 07:58.46 | Esamynn | later folks, I'm off to go find the torch |
| 07:58.57 | Wobin | Dagmar, http://jamescroft-ygge.posterous.com/this-sydney-storm-is-unreal-heres-footage-fro |
| 07:58.59 | Wobin | that was last night =P |
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| 07:59.20 | DJJeff | cant connect to CC v4 update servers? |
| 07:59.34 | DJJeff | someone shed some light? |
| 07:59.37 | Dagmar | Yeah that's basically spring/early-summer thunderstorm weather in Nashville, man |
| 08:00.02 | Dagmar | We're in the middle of this basin, so anytime a system comes up from the gulf we'll get 2-3 inches in as many hours |
| 08:00.11 | DJJeff | so its down for tonight? |
| 08:01.36 | Dagmar | Wobin: Looks like you guys could stand to rethink yer drainage there just a bit |
| 08:01.58 | Dagmar | Nothing all that shameful about it falling short of the mark tho |
| 08:02.10 | Dagmar | Vegas has the same issue |
| 08:02.56 | Dagmar | 'cept they get practically no rain, so streets that don't even have little gullies by the curb and a total of two small culverts doesn't seem to be any big deal... |
| 08:03.13 | Dagmar | ...until they get two inches of rain in an afternoon and the desert invades the city on a raging torrent of water |
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| 08:06.07 | Dagmar | Wobin: If it's any consolation, you've still got us beat hands-down on the "deadly/poisonous fauna" front |
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| 08:06.39 | Dagmar | My guild leader moved there from here. Here, there's vegetative growth and insects _everywhere_. Most of it quite harmless. |
| 08:07.08 | Dagmar | Their kids will find some bug in the house and the GL will go over to try and pick it up and his wife will say NOOOOOO THAT'S POISONOUS! |
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| 08:13.04 | elec29a | is it the normal way to edit lua in an editor and make reloadui to get changes |
| 08:13.25 | Dagmar | elec29a: Dunno about "normal" but it works, so long as you don't add or remove files |
| 08:13.39 | elec29a | ok thx |
| 08:14.36 | elec29a | is every addon accepted on http://wow.curse.com ? |
| 08:16.48 | Dagmar | Far as I know all non-malicious or ToS-violating ones do |
| 08:17.28 | elec29a | nice thx |
| 08:18.15 | elec29a | it shows only spellpower and haste to track black magic proc and trinkets with color fade in out on change |
| 08:19.03 | Dagmar | I can see where some folks would find that useful |
| 08:19.21 | elec29a | yes 4 mages and warlocks |
| 08:19.49 | Dagmar | The only time I've seen something get bounced was FaceRoller, and as far as I know the original author pulled that because so many people complained |
| 08:20.12 | Dagmar | I never saw FaceRoller being a big problem, since it's a real bitch to get the hang of certain aspects of tanking/dps |
| 08:20.35 | Dagmar | There's definitely "worse" addons in that respect. |
| 08:20.51 | Dagmar | FaceRoller didn't even do keybinds, it just showed you the icons for the things you should probably hit next |
| 08:21.13 | Dagmar | Watcher on the other hand, turns a complex hunter priority list into Mavis Beacon Teaches World Of Warcraft |
| 08:22.05 | Dagmar | I just know without FaceRoller I'd still suck on my deathknight, as opposed to the "doesn't suck..." level I generally operate with on that toon |
| 08:23.35 | elec29a | thx i try to read ahead on that addons i didnt know |
| 08:23.56 | Dagmar | There are *tons* of addons out there |
| 08:24.06 | elec29a | yes |
| 08:24.28 | Dagmar | Most center around advanced information management, like LightHeaded (quest database) and Auctioneer (lord oh lordy the maths!) |
| 08:24.42 | elec29a | how to get listed in wowmatrix ? |
| 08:24.50 | Dagmar | ...and possibly things like ATSW (Advanced Trade Skill WIndow) that makes crafting a lot less painful |
| 08:25.17 | Dagmar | Some automate relatively trivial tasks, like PassLoot for keeping that stupid loot window out of your way on greens and purples you can't use |
| 08:25.38 | Dagmar | ...and Fizzwidget's Feed-o-Matic which is pure freaking win if you have to _feed_ your pet |
| 08:26.09 | Dagmar | elec29a: Wowmatrix has a bit of a bad rep at the moment still |
| 08:26.26 | Dagmar | Odds are if you write something a number of people use, it'll get added soon enough tho |
| 08:26.26 | elec29a | yes but many like em |
| 08:26.48 | Bruners | do wowmatrix still work ? |
| 08:26.55 | elec29a | yes |
| 08:27.06 | Dagmar | They really took the wrong approach to what they were doing |
| 08:27.16 | Shadowed | That's the only reason they became popular :p |
| 08:27.23 | Dagmar | ...and their response from the blowback was definitely sub-par |
| 08:28.19 | Bruners | and how many addons to they actually have now? |
| 08:28.22 | Bruners | that are updated |
| 08:28.30 | Dagmar | Seriously the smarter thing to have done would ahev been to put the thing together as/with an API and just gone to the other site people and say "Here's a simple API for setting your users up with the addons as a 'feed' and your ad-banner responsibilities can go in this window here..." |
| 08:28.46 | Dagmar | Everyone needed an app that did that but they were tied up in keeping their sites running |
| 08:28.52 | Bruners | to bad their code is crap |
| 08:29.06 | Dagmar | Yeah well that task isn't a very machine-friendly one |
| 08:29.26 | elec29a | do you know english pages like http://www.youloot.de/sec/300000/module/itemstrength/index.cfm?c=9&r=Madmortem& is it possible to make money with such pages? |
| 08:29.56 | Dagmar | elec29a: From what I can tell, only if you care nothing for your credibility |
| 08:29.58 | Bruners | get users, get adds that people look at, ???, profit |
| 08:30.01 | Dagmar | ...and your self-respect. |
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| 08:30.19 | elec29a | its a gearscore ranking |
| 08:30.41 | Dagmar | Yeah and that information is also widely available elsewhere |
| 08:30.59 | Dagmar | Unless you're doing something both useful and unique with it, there ain't money to be had |
| 08:31.34 | Bruners | doesn't have to be useful, just need people to use it :P |
| 08:31.42 | Dagmar | People won't unless it's useful to them |
| 08:31.53 | elec29a | yes i know many webmasters and they say its only for server costs |
| 08:32.10 | Dagmar | If they don't percieve it as useful, they might screw with it for a few minutes, but they won't mention it to other people, they won't come back, and they're likely to never remember having been there later |
| 08:33.09 | Dagmar | I regularly go back to Wowhead and even Thottbot simply because they have comments attached to item/quest IDs that I sometimes find useful |
| 08:33.22 | Dagmar | It's unique information I don't expect to find elsewhere. |
| 08:33.38 | Dagmar | ...and it's in a format that's very easy for me to drill into for info on one specific thing |
| 08:33.46 | elec29a | i use often http://be.imba.hu/ to check randoms |
| 08:34.01 | Bruners | wowdb ftw |
| 08:34.03 | Dagmar | I don't even worry about the random pugs anymore |
| 08:34.17 | Fisker | slaps Bruners around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:34.23 | Fisker | that was just the beginning |
| 08:34.32 | Dagmar | Occasionally I'll call full stop on things and set someone straight about things they're doing just fundamentally wrong, but you don't need much gear to survive a 5-man |
| 08:34.35 | Bruners | :D |
| 08:35.08 | elec29a | i make only rnd grp i left every guild i love it to see new ppl the whole server knows me |
| 08:35.33 | Dagmar | Every so often I'll catch someone leaving their pet in aggro mode at the wrong time, or someone will have forgotten to switch presences, something like that |
| 08:36.05 | Bruners | i hated when people commented about my presence |
| 08:36.10 | Dagmar | I have a big monkey, and a massive gun. I can just about tank the things myself |
| 08:36.33 | Dagmar | Bruners: Well, I mean like, occasionally even I'll forget and leave my DK in frost when I'm not tanking |
| 08:36.48 | DJJeff | CC V4 is working again :) |
| 08:37.05 | Dagmar | I'm working on a defense set, so I can _almost_ tank in that gear, but it still makes things chaotic when I pull threat |
| 08:37.21 | DJJeff | only update was ARL X_X |
| 08:37.26 | DJJeff | (sigh) |
| 08:37.34 | Dagmar | ...and there's definitely a lot of people still running around that got to 80 by soloing |
| 08:39.59 | elec29a | do you know an addon that helps me to see witch item is going good in ah (i must make 3k a day to get a job as china farmer) |
| 08:40.08 | Dagmar | rofl |
| 08:40.39 | Dagmar | Just speculate in real currency markets |
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| 08:43.02 | Dagmar | I love when the random occasionally puts in a second hunter |
| 08:43.05 | Bruners | Fisker: why so awesome ? |
| 08:43.19 | Fisker | idk my bff jill? |
| 08:44.10 | elec29a | learning lua is like old wdasm and softice long time ago reversing is the best method i guess |
| 08:44.23 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: te second edition has been out a week |
| 08:45.46 | Dagmar | elec29a: If you could work softice, you can probably figure out lua |
| 08:46.19 | elec29a | yes i hope so |
| 08:46.52 | Dagmar | More important would be whether or not you've programmed in other languages before |
| 08:47.09 | Fisker | hehe jnwhiteh |
| 08:47.09 | Fisker | heheh |
| 08:47.11 | Fisker | eehehehe |
| 08:47.34 | jnwhiteh | kicks Fisker |
| 08:48.19 | clever | yeah, lua isnt that hard after doing c, c++, js, php, perl, html, basic, qbasic, the list goes on.... |
| 08:49.13 | Dagmar | Meh. I think any two of those would be enough |
| 08:49.19 | clever | lua itself is fairly simple, the tricky part is knowing the API that wow gives |
| 08:49.26 | elec29a | yes i did asm,perl,borland c,visual basic,php,asp, js ... even write a freebsd harddisk driver and a windows scanner driver |
| 08:49.40 | Dagmar | You'll have no problem with lua then |
| 08:49.48 | elec29a | ok thx |
| 08:50.11 | clever | some days i get too bored and start reading the LUA of other addons |
| 08:50.31 | elec29a | i copy from other addons its faster then typing |
| 08:50.48 | clever | i read them just to figure out how they work and learn the tricks they use |
| 08:50.57 | krka | i dont see how html and basic helps you with lua |
| 08:51.26 | Dagmar | krka: If you don't understand the basics of program flow, you are well and truly f**ked for trying another language |
| 08:51.29 | clever | krka: it probly hasnt, but after writing an entire 3d rendering engine in qbasic, you know what WOW is doing on its own in the background |
| 08:51.32 | krka | it's like saying lua isn't so hard after doing gardening, fishing, driving, origami... |
| 08:51.50 | elec29a | lol |
| 08:51.58 | Dagmar | If you could code in BASIC, you understand the concepts |
| 08:52.14 | Dagmar | ...even if BASIC sucks, it's still at least got *some* order to it |
| 08:52.22 | clever | i started programing with basic on the c64 |
| 08:52.50 | Dagmar | TI-99 4/a for me, then the C64. Then assembly because 48k for BASIC is too damn small |
| 08:53.15 | clever | i touched on a little 6502 assembly and later on x86 |
| 08:53.17 | Shadowed | jnwhiteh: oh, grats then :p |
| 08:53.21 | clever | but i dont use assembly much |
| 08:53.22 | Dagmar | I was trying to write an interactive fiction game, and I *had* to switch to assembly |
| 08:53.30 | clever | lately ive been reading AVR assembly some |
| 08:54.28 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: thanks |
| 08:54.44 | Dagmar | I don't feel the need to "put up" with assembly anymore. I got an Arduino. Eventally it'll replace the dash on my scooter, but Processing/Wiring works well enough |
| 08:55.14 | clever | ive seen alot of flaming against Arduino and i dont really see a need for using it on my own stuff |
| 08:55.21 | clever | just a raw AVR chip works fine for me |
| 08:55.33 | Dagmar | It just doesn't seem like you have to write code with the minimalism of assembly because you can so easily throw more processing power at the problem |
| 08:55.49 | clever | ive recently added a bootloader thats designed to handle the lag in xbee's, so i can now reprogram it wirelessly |
| 08:56.13 | Dagmar | I barely had to pay attention to what I was doing and I've got a reliable speedometer system, storing the miles in the eeprom, etc etc |
| 08:56.18 | clever | i am running into some CPU limits though, with my serial GPS |
| 08:56.34 | Dagmar | The only thing really holding me up is that I kinda need to eb able to SEE the display at all times, and finding a solution to that is tricky |
| 08:56.36 | clever | the processing takes more the 1 byte (at 2400 baud) worth of time, so the 1 byte buffer is overflowing |
| 08:57.00 | Dagmar | Sounds like you need a better uart |
| 08:57.10 | clever | the hardware uart is already busy with the xbee |
| 08:57.15 | clever | so i'm using a software uart for the gps |
| 08:57.31 | clever | it should be trivial to add a small buffer to its receive routine |
| 08:57.36 | Fisker | you're adorable Bruners |
| 08:57.54 | clever | but i cant go all the way up to 8mhz because the current code cant handle that |
| 08:58.04 | clever | the delay would be more then 255 cycles |
| 08:59.01 | Snigermis | hmmz |
| 08:59.11 | Snigermis | SetBinding("½", "TOGLEAUTORUN"); screws up everything... |
| 08:59.21 | Snigermis | how to get that key bound? |
| 08:59.25 | Bruners | Fisker: how would you know ? |
| 08:59.44 | Dagmar | Snigermis: Spelling |
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| 09:01.10 | Snigermis | well its the ½ that screws it |
| 09:01.12 | DWSR | God, this backup's taking a shitload longer than 4 hours. |
| 09:01.18 | Snigermis | but thats the "char" that the key makes |
| 09:01.46 | Dagmar | afaik it doesn't work by characters |
| 09:01.56 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 09:01.58 | Dagmar | It works by the names directx calls them, I *think* |
| 09:02.03 | Snigermis | hmm |
| 09:02.10 | DWSR | Snigermis: You're using a non-english layout? |
| 09:02.27 | Snigermis | non english... danish yes |
| 09:02.35 | Dagmar | I could *not* get my G15 to use F13-F24 simply because while they exist in the PS/2 spec, DirectX firmly refuses to believe they exist |
| 09:02.41 | DWSR | Because I see that as 1/2 |
| 09:02.47 | Snigermis | so at standard my 11th and 12th button doesnt work cause american is differnet |
| 09:02.55 | DWSR | Dagmar: You can use the G15's software to map F13-F24 to other keys. |
| 09:03.08 | Fisker | i'm stalking you Bruners |
| 09:03.10 | Dagmar | dwsr: I have the one with 18 keys. |
| 09:03.12 | Snigermis | well notepad see the "½" aswell |
| 09:03.16 | Dagmar | It's just not that simple. Trust me. |
| 09:03.22 | DWSR | Dagmar: Get a Naga. |
| 09:03.28 | Snigermis | hehe i have naga |
| 09:03.31 | DWSR | Oh, and an n52TE. |
| 09:03.36 | Dagmar | You can only bind the keys to keys that would otherwise normally exist. |
| 09:03.39 | DWSR | I don't know what to do with all the fucking buttons. |
| 09:03.44 | Snigermis | but the problem is that why would i want it bound to ANOTHER key.. |
| 09:03.46 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yes. |
| 09:03.47 | Dagmar | ...meaning you wind up with interesting collisions. |
| 09:03.57 | Dagmar | Using a naga wouldn't change that |
| 09:04.03 | Snigermis | then i can press that button lol I want button 5-20 be button 5 button 6 button 7 ;P |
| 09:04.18 | Snigermis | it just takes over the numpad ;P |
| 09:04.24 | DWSR | Snigermis: yeah, but that's still useful. |
| 09:04.32 | DWSR | I use it for all my PvP targetting macros. |
| 09:04.36 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm using my numpad for tanking |
| 09:04.42 | Snigermis | heh i use it for all my heals + mounting ;P |
| 09:05.06 | clever | i do most of my playing from a laptop |
| 09:05.06 | DWSR | I have an N52TE. |
| 09:05.08 | DWSR | So yeah. |
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| 09:05.31 | clever | no number pad |
| 09:05.43 | DWSR | I have.....16 buttons on my N52TE, plus another page of buttons. |
| 09:05.44 | jnwhiteh | my phone is in oxford, in a facility that is only open from 10:00 - 12:00.. and I have practice from 10:40 - 12:30 =( |
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| 09:06.04 | Snigermis | clever then it would be perfect ;P then you are using buttons that windows accept but you dont have on your keyboard ;P |
| 09:06.13 | DWSR | So I have 16 x 2 + 17 buttons. |
| 09:06.24 | Snigermis | hehe |
| 09:06.35 | Snigermis | but how cna i see what ½ is called then |
| 09:06.39 | Fisker | use the force jnwhiteh |
| 09:06.43 | Snigermis | since even notepad types that lol |
| 09:06.43 | DWSR | I don't know what the fuck to DO with some of them. |
| 09:07.01 | DWSR | Snigermis: Why can't you just bind auto-run using Blizzard's keybind interface? |
| 09:08.07 | Snigermis | because then i have to do it 15 times everytime i reset the dam wtf folder ;P |
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| 09:08.54 | DWSR | Don't set it as character specific?\ |
| 09:09.02 | DWSR | Uncheck Character specific. |
| 09:09.04 | DWSR | Set it. |
| 09:09.07 | DWSR | recheck Character specific. |
| 09:09.08 | DWSR | ??? |
| 09:09.10 | DWSR | profit. |
| 09:09.23 | Snigermis | not that.. I'm making my addon so i DONT have to do it ;P |
| 09:10.10 | Snigermis | bind ½ TOGGLEAUTORUN |
| 09:10.16 | Snigermis | in wordpad |
| 09:10.37 | Snigermis | hmm |
| 09:10.41 | clever | Snigermis: the character was actualy visible that time:S |
| 09:10.45 | Snigermis | cant even show it properly lol |
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| 09:11.40 | Snigermis | gotta ask.. in lua.. whats the func to call a char on a id?--- like mIRC have |
| 09:11.54 | Snigermis | $chr(number) |
| 09:12.04 | jnwhiteh | string.char(num) |
| 09:12.05 | clever | mirc and basic both use chr and asc |
| 09:12.35 | Snigermis | jnwhiteh is there a way to find out what my thing is in number? ;P |
| 09:12.36 | jnwhiteh | lua> print(string.byte("a"), string.char(47)) |
| 09:12.38 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: 97, / |
| 09:13.35 | Snigermis | lua> print(string.byte("½")) |
| 09:13.35 | lua_bot | Snigermis: 189 |
| 09:13.50 | DWSR | You should do it within WoW. |
| 09:13.51 | clever | lua> print(string.byte("½")) |
| 09:13.52 | lua_bot | clever: 194 |
| 09:14.02 | Snigermis | lol |
| 09:14.04 | clever | yeah, wow might be translating the input more/less then irc |
| 09:14.17 | nevcairiel | also |
| 09:14.20 | clever | and then there is all the encoding options you might be fussing with in irc |
| 09:14.22 | Snigermis | so shall i use mine or yours lol |
| 09:14.28 | nevcairiel | lua> #("Å") |
| 09:14.31 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 2 |
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| 09:14.38 | nevcairiel | its not one char, its unicode, its two |
| 09:15.01 | DWSR | Snigermis: You should /run print(string.byte()) in WoW and use that instead. |
| 09:15.15 | Snigermis | gd idea ;P |
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| 09:15.45 | Snigermis | 194 |
| 09:15.46 | DWSR | because you don't know the encoding scheme differences between your system and lua_bot's, also the IRCd. |
| 09:15.50 | DWSR | see? |
| 09:15.52 | Snigermis | so its danish layout 194 ;P |
| 09:16.01 | nevcairiel | its all UTF-8, whats your point? |
| 09:16.08 | jnwhiteh | yeah, seriously. |
| 09:16.54 | nevcairiel | The real problem is that its multi-byte chars, so "½" is not 194 |
| 09:17.22 | Snigermis | it is in wow ;P |
| 09:17.31 | nevcairiel | lua> "\194" |
| 09:17.33 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: Â |
| 09:17.43 | Snigermis | thats the char i got in wordpad aswell ;P |
| 09:17.43 | DWSR | all of this shit is all different on my screen |
| 09:17.44 | nevcairiel | lua> string.byte("½", 2) |
| 09:17.51 | jnwhiteh | no, the first character of the unicode codepoint representing 1/2 is 194. |
| 09:17.52 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 189 |
| 09:17.53 | jnwhiteh | thaht's different. |
| 09:18.00 | nevcairiel | lua> "\194\189" |
| 09:18.02 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: ½ |
| 09:18.07 | jnwhiteh | UTF8 isn't magical |
| 09:18.11 | jnwhiteh | but you're just completely ignoring it |
| 09:18.13 | jnwhiteh | which is bad |
| 09:18.15 | jnwhiteh | and wrong |
| 09:18.38 | jnwhiteh | there are no encoding differences here between irc and wow. They're the same, your conclusions are just wrong. |
| 09:18.49 | nevcairiel | lua> string.byte("½") |
| 09:18.50 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 194 |
| 09:18.51 | clever | depends on what the irc client is set to |
| 09:18.55 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 09:18.56 | nevcairiel | hm, shouldnt it return both codes? |
| 09:19.00 | clever | ive got mine set to encode in sjis sometimes |
| 09:19.02 | DWSR | nevcairiel: No. |
| 09:19.04 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: no |
| 09:19.09 | jnwhiteh | it gets the byte value of a single character. |
| 09:19.15 | nevcairiel | lua> string.byte("½", 1, #("½")) |
| 09:19.17 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 194, 189 |
| 09:19.20 | nevcairiel | i see, you can trick it |
| 09:19.50 | clever | nevcairiel: chr in basic and $chr in mirc do the same thing, they only return the 1st byte |
| 09:20.04 | nevcairiel | seriously, who cares about basic or mirc script? |
| 09:20.11 | jnwhiteh | clever: Lua only understand UTF-8 |
| 09:20.15 | clever | mirc script sucks :P |
| 09:20.18 | jnwhiteh | so I don't care how your IRC client encodes anything |
| 09:20.20 | nevcairiel | they dont even have the power to return multiple values |
| 09:20.22 | DWSR | clever: Actually, not really. |
| 09:20.24 | jnwhiteh | its eiter UTF-8 or its not. |
| 09:20.43 | clever | jnwhiteh: ah, so its mainly wether the lua_bot itself can understand what you put over irc and turn it back into utf-8 |
| 09:21.01 | jnwhiteh | There is only ascii and utf-8. |
| 09:21.09 | nevcairiel | as long as your client is sane enough to actually send utf-8, all is good |
| 09:21.16 | jnwhiteh | in this world |
| 09:21.20 | clever | yeah, irssi defaults to utf-8 |
| 09:21.52 | Snigermis | for some reason the code arent executing on load |
| 09:22.08 | jnwhiteh | 'the code'? |
| 09:22.21 | Snigermis | all the SetBinding("A", "STRAFELEFT"); |
| 09:22.30 | jnwhiteh | no, they are |
| 09:22.35 | Snigermis | they work when i use /script SetBinding("A", "STRAFELEFT"); ingame |
| 09:22.37 | jnwhiteh | they're just overwritten when blizzard's keybindings are applied. |
| 09:22.43 | jnwhiteh | because you're doing them too early. |
| 09:23.03 | Snigermis | is there a way to delay it? ;P like a timer for execute? |
| 09:23.12 | nevcairiel | If you run them in-game once, and then simply call SaveBindings(), shouldnt it stick anyway? |
| 09:23.22 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 09:23.33 | Snigermis | well trying to make so no matter what it changes it on load. |
| 09:23.36 | Snigermis | just to be sure |
| 09:23.48 | nevcairiel | well then delay it until PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 09:23.56 | Snigermis | gonna do that to get 5th AB to have NAga control ;P |
| 09:24.01 | DWSR | Shouldn't you use PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD? |
| 09:24.08 | nevcairiel | what for? |
| 09:24.13 | DWSR | To delay it. |
| 09:24.20 | DWSR | Doesn't PLAYER_LOGIN fire earlier? |
| 09:24.23 | nevcairiel | but PEW also fires when you zone around the world |
| 09:24.41 | Snigermis | yeh thats right ;P |
| 09:24.41 | nevcairiel | and bindings are long applied at player_login |
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| 09:24.44 | DWSR | So if you zone twice, you get PEW PEW? ;) |
| 09:24.52 | Snigermis | My hunter ;P |
| 09:24.58 | Snigermis | pewpewtard ;P |
| 09:24.59 | nevcairiel | ~pew |
| 09:25.07 | nevcairiel | hm i thought we had one like that |
| 09:27.41 | Snigermis | hmm eksamples using PEW as when you login |
| 09:27.48 | Snigermis | else hello world will spam alot ;P |
| 09:27.57 | Snigermis | http://www.wowwiki.com/Handling_events |
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| 09:28.23 | nevcairiel | it'll show hello world everytime you have a loading screen |
| 09:28.26 | jnwhiteh | ... we know how to do it, why are you linking that page to us? |
| 09:28.50 | Snigermis | just to show that nevcairiel was wrong kinda |
| 09:29.00 | nevcairiel | What makes you think i am? |
| 09:29.01 | jnwhiteh | he isn't. |
| 09:29.08 | jnwhiteh | so, gz? |
| 09:29.30 | nevcairiel | PEW fires everytime you change zones, in other words, you have a loading screen |
| 09:30.08 | nevcairiel | world -> instance, instance -> world, continent -> continent |
| 09:30.21 | Snigermis | and reloadui right |
| 09:30.36 | DWSR | yes |
| 09:30.36 | nevcairiel | of course, since reloadui mimics the login events |
| 09:31.04 | DWSR | !api buff |
| 09:31.05 | lua_bot | Found 9 possible results for 'buff': UnitDebuff, CancelUnitBuff, luaL_loadbuffer, luaL_prepbuffer, GameTooltip:SetUnitBuff, luaL_buffinit, UnitBuff, GameTooltip:SetUnitDebuff, luaL_Buffer |
| 09:31.31 | DWSR | !api aura |
| 09:31.35 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'aura': UnitAura, GameTooltip:SetUnitAura, UNIT_AURA, PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED |
| 09:31.43 | DWSR | !api UNIT_AURA |
| 09:31.47 | lua_bot | UNIT_AURA: Fires when a unit loses or gains a buff or debuff. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UNIT_AURA) |
| 09:32.45 | DWSR | everything that's not explicitly defined in a table is implicitly nil, correct? |
| 09:33.06 | nevcairiel | a table starts empty :P |
| 09:33.07 | jnwhiteh | with metatables, no. |
| 09:33.15 | nevcairiel | oh yeah, and those |
| 09:33.16 | jnwhiteh | what you said is a bit too simple :P |
| 09:33.21 | DWSR | You're right. |
| 09:33.25 | DWSR | However, I have no idea what a metatable is. |
| 09:34.00 | jnwhiteh | lua> a = setmetatable({}, {__index = {apple = "red", banana = "yellow"}}); print(a.banana) |
| 09:34.04 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: yellow |
| 09:34.12 | jnwhiteh | the banana key isn't set in the table 'a' |
| 09:34.28 | jnwhiteh | which starts off as that empty table {} |
| 09:34.33 | jnwhiteh | for example |
| 09:34.47 | Snigermis | SetBinding(string.char(194), "TOGGLEAUTORUN"); set ? so unknown lol |
| 09:34.54 | DWSR | What's __index? |
| 09:35.01 | jnwhiteh | Snigermis: its not 194... |
| 09:35.08 | jnwhiteh | didn't we already establish that? |
| 09:35.13 | jnwhiteh | or what key are you going for? |
| 09:35.15 | Snigermis | it was 194 in wow |
| 09:35.23 | jnwhiteh | the first character of it was 194 |
| 09:35.23 | Snigermis | my ½ key |
| 09:35.24 | nevcairiel | I wonder if you even can bind those unicode chars as keybindings |
| 09:35.27 | clever | Snigermis: only the 1st byte |
| 09:35.27 | Snigermis | aaah |
| 09:35.28 | jnwhiteh | did you check to see if it was multiple keys? |
| 09:35.32 | jnwhiteh | like we told ya to? |
| 09:35.42 | Snigermis | how do i check that... hack the keyboard layout? |
| 09:35.47 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 09:35.49 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 09:35.52 | Snigermis | oh was reading at that point then ;P |
| 09:35.55 | Snigermis | trying to learn ;P |
| 09:36.04 | jnwhiteh | local str = "some string"; print(string.byte(str, 1, #str)) |
| 09:36.09 | jnwhiteh | lua> local str = "some string"; print(string.byte(str, 1, #str)) |
| 09:36.16 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: 115, 111, 109, 101, 32, 115, 116, 114, 105, 110, 103 |
| 09:36.20 | jnwhiteh | do that with a string containing your 'key' |
| 09:36.23 | clever | neat |
| 09:36.39 | jnwhiteh | lua> local str = "éø"; print(string.byte(str, 1, #str)) |
| 09:36.42 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: 195, 169, 195, 184 |
| 09:36.59 | Fisker | have fun practicing jnwhiteh |
| 09:37.00 | Fisker | HOHO |
| 09:37.25 | nevcairiel | you really should've send fisker that hero |
| 09:37.28 | clever | lua> local str = "ï½"; print(string.byte(str, 1, #str)) |
| 09:37.31 | lua_bot | clever: 239, 189, 142 |
| 09:37.36 | Snigermis | lua> local str = "½"; print(string.byte(str, 1, #str)) |
| 09:37.38 | lua_bot | Snigermis: 189 |
| 09:37.40 | clever | :O, 3 byte character! |
| 09:37.58 | Snigermis | like that helped ;P |
| 09:38.19 | Snigermis | nevcairiel i can go into the frame and bind it.. been using it for 4 years ;P |
| 09:38.58 | jnwhiteh | it probably has a special name in WoW |
| 09:38.59 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 09:39.04 | Snigermis | yeh |
| 09:39.10 | nevcairiel | lua> local str = "ð¤¢"; print(string.byte(str, 1, #str)) |
| 09:39.10 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 240, 164, 173, 162 |
| 09:39.13 | nevcairiel | clever: ^ |
| 09:39.18 | Snigermis | ;P |
| 09:39.19 | nevcairiel | i cant display it, but its 4 byte! :P |
| 09:39.26 | clever | nevcairiel: that character doesnt render for me, its just a weird ? |
| 09:39.45 | DWSR | that's 4 different characters for me. |
| 09:39.57 | clever | DWSR: maybe your client cant handle utf8 |
| 09:39.59 | nevcairiel | then your client fails at utf-8 |
| 09:39.59 | Snigermis | renders for me ;P |
| 09:40.54 | nevcairiel | hm does lua like that |
| 09:40.57 | nevcairiel | lua> "\xf0\x90\x84\x82" |
| 09:40.57 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: xf0x90x84x82 |
| 09:41.01 | nevcairiel | apparently not |
| 09:41.03 | Snigermis | in wow it says 194 189 |
| 09:41.05 | DWSR | ah |
| 09:41.14 | DWSR | No, my client's using the system encoding, which is NOT UTF8. |
| 09:41.15 | DWSR | brb |
| 09:41.40 | DWSR | nevcairiel: resend that 4byte char? |
| 09:41.45 | clever | � |
| 09:41.54 | DWSR | Now I get a single character. |
| 09:42.01 | clever | linux is generaly good at being able to copy/paste things, even when it cant render them |
| 09:42.02 | DWSR | But the character's not in the font |
| 09:42.38 | nevcairiel | lua> "\240\144\132\130" |
| 09:42.38 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: ð |
| 09:42.40 | Snigermis | lol now its bound to ½.. but the button doesnt work lol |
| 09:42.42 | nevcairiel | a box too |
| 09:42.44 | nevcairiel | i need more fonts |
| 09:44.01 | clever | ive no idea which font i would start with |
| 09:44.09 | Fisker | y helo thar nevcairiel |
| 09:44.11 | Snigermis | SetBinding("\194\189", "TOGGLEAUTORUN"); bound it to ½ but button doesnt work.. any more gd ideas? |
| 09:44.31 | nevcairiel | cant you bind it using the UI and see what it binds it to? |
| 09:44.49 | clever | nevcairiel: with putty on windows, it renders that as a box |
| 09:44.56 | Snigermis | lol says ½ like the button texture on the physical keyboard ;P |
| 09:45.07 | Fisker | :( |
| 09:46.52 | Snigermis | string.char(194)..string.char(189) would that work? |
| 09:47.43 | Snigermis | that worked |
| 09:51.33 | DWSR | !api UNIT_AURA |
| 09:51.33 | lua_bot | UNIT_AURA: Fires when a unit loses or gains a buff or debuff. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UNIT_AURA) |
| 09:51.55 | DWSR | Does UNIT_AURA give you the name of the buff/debuff that was gained/lost? |
| 09:53.08 | DWSR | ~api UNIT_AURA |
| 09:53.09 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UNIT_AURA |
| 09:53.29 | nevcairiel | no, it doesnt |
| 09:53.54 | DWSR | So I have to rescan using UnitAura? |
| 09:54.14 | nevcairiel | you could use the combatlog events for that, it tells you when a buff fades, and which did |
| 09:54.30 | DWSR | Which is more efficient? |
| 09:54.42 | DWSR | I'm assuming that the combat logs will be less up to date? |
| 09:54.47 | amro | scanning pixels near the minimap |
| 09:54.50 | nevcairiel | why would it? |
| 09:55.23 | nevcairiel | if you're just interesting in one single buff, and not the generic fade/gain events, you can just use UnitBuff("unit", "Buff Name") to check if its active |
| 09:55.29 | nevcairiel | no need to scan the whole thing |
| 09:55.47 | DWSR | Well, I'm planning to cache buffs/debuffs |
| 09:57.46 | DWSR | I'm going to be checking for a specific subset of buffs/debuffs. |
| 10:06.09 | tekkub | how many? |
| 10:06.19 | DWSR | I don't know. |
| 10:06.27 | DWSR | Probably up to about a half dozen or so |
| 10:06.49 | nevcairiel | you know, "six" is much shorter then "a half dozen" |
| 10:07.09 | tekkub | directly checking UnitBuff(..., "buff name") is likely best then |
| 10:08.24 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Yeah, I was going to say a dozen first though |
| 10:08.31 | Fisker | hey tekkub |
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| 10:17.34 | Guest63062 | anything going on in this thread ? |
| 10:18.43 | zenzelezz | apparently not |
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| 10:19.15 | DWSR | http://www.discoverychannel.ca/article.aspx?aid=22370 |
| 10:19.26 | DWSR | She is canada's worst driver, btw. |
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| 10:29.22 | DWSR | How can I determine if a player knows a particular spell? |
| 10:29.30 | DWSR | !api spellbook |
| 10:29.33 | lua_bot | FindSpellBookSlotByID: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/FindSpellBookSlotByID) |
| 10:30.09 | Gagorian | DWSR: GetSpellInfo("Spellname") |
| 10:30.21 | DWSR | Gagorian: Doesn't that work for any spell, though? |
| 10:30.30 | Gagorian | No, just for spells in your spellbook |
| 10:30.52 | Gagorian | It needs spellID to work with any spell |
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| 10:31.16 | DWSR | ah |
| 10:31.20 | mikma | http://store.valvesoftware.com/productshowcase/productshowcase_L4D2-HealthKitHoodie.html |
| 10:32.18 | DWSR | Gagorian: Will it return nil if it isn't in the spellbook? |
| 10:32.31 | Gagorian | yes |
| 10:32.37 | DWSR | k |
| 10:33.12 | Gagorian | It also works for pet spellbook if that's needed |
| 10:33.30 | DWSR | nah, shouldn't need it. |
| 10:33.32 | DWSR | thanks |
| 10:34.16 | Gagorian | Note you need to use the localized name |
| 10:34.36 | DWSR | mhm, worrying about localization once I actually have something to localize. :P |
| 10:34.47 | Gagorian | And if you need to check for a specific rank you can do GetSpellInfo("Name", "Rank x") |
| 10:34.59 | DWSR | !api talent |
| 10:35.02 | lua_bot | Found 31 possible matches for 'talent'. Please be more specific |
| 10:35.06 | DWSR | !api talentknown |
| 10:35.08 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'talentknown'. |
| 10:35.50 | DWSR | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTalentInfo |
| 10:35.55 | DWSR | Are *all* of those arguments mandatory? |
| 10:36.29 | nevcairiel | only the first two |
| 10:37.20 | DWSR | Is there a way to use the name of a talent to get the status of it (i.e. if the character has it)? |
| 10:39.35 | Gagorian | No |
| 10:39.45 | Gagorian | Well, you need to iterate all |
| 10:39.50 | Gagorian | Unless you know the position of the talent |
| 10:39.53 | DWSR | Jesus christ, really? |
| 10:40.30 | Gagorian | Well just build a list of your talents, you only need to refresh it when talents change |
| 10:40.32 | Gagorian | and check from that |
| 10:40.52 | DWSR | True enough |
| 10:40.56 | DWSR | Meh, I'll code that part later. |
| 10:41.06 | DWSR | I can store a table within a table, right? |
| 10:41.14 | Gagorian | Of course |
| 10:41.27 | DWSR | Yo dawg, I heard you like tables. |
| 10:41.37 | DWSR | So we put some tables in your tables, so you can store while you store. |
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| 10:43.26 | DWSR | Hurray for creating idiot proof Lua. |
| 10:45.04 | DWSR | Is there any way to get Lua to interpret dothis() if that;? |
| 10:45.16 | DWSR | Or am I totally stuck with if that then dothis(); |
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| 10:52.25 | elec29a | someone here that wanna test my 1 addon http://static.curseforge.net/content/files/415/77/HSC.zip its simple on screen display of haste spellpower to track changes with color fading to see procs missing buffs 4 warlocks and mages |
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| 11:01.02 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
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| 11:16.25 | mikma | http://www.barbie.com/vote/images/VoteResult.jpg |
| 11:18.01 | Fisker | soup |
| 11:23.56 | DWSR | nevcairiel |
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| 11:25.00 | nevcairiel | its much easier to ask wtf you want, then i dont have to ask :P |
| 11:26.21 | DWSR | Do you have to distribute LibButtonFacade with BT4? |
| 11:26.33 | DWSR | Or do you just check if LBF is loaded by something else, and use it if it is? |
| 11:27.27 | nevcairiel | LBF is only shipped by ButtonFacade itself, since without it, its kinda pointless |
| 11:27.31 | nevcairiel | so noone ships it |
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| 11:28.19 | DWSR | Well, not really. |
| 11:28.30 | DWSR | You could make another GUI for LBF. |
| 11:28.32 | DWSR | Anyway, thanks |
| 11:38.35 | foxlit | Hm. Why did they add a zeppelin between thunder bluff and orgrimmar? |
| 11:39.06 | foxlit | Doesn't seem to be much faster than flying, and the waiting time on either end is atrocious :( |
| 11:40.07 | Torhal | foxlit: "A new zeppelin docking ramp has been added to Thunder Bluff allowing Horde players easier transport to and from Orgrimmar." |
| 11:40.13 | Torhal | I'm assuming flight paths are too hard |
| 11:40.32 | Wobin | Torhal, you don't get the flight path automatically |
| 11:40.37 | foxlit | Ah. Maybe it's the initial journey. |
| 11:40.48 | Torhal | Wobin: I know that. That's why I stated my second message |
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| 11:40.51 | Torhal | :P |
| 11:40.58 | clever | teldrasil and auberdine have a boat and flight path |
| 11:41.00 | Wobin | It's less in theme =P |
| 11:41.02 | clever | probly the same reason |
| 11:41.13 | Wobin | well, for that, it's more so horde can invade =P |
| 11:41.32 | clever | lol:P |
| 11:41.34 | Torhal | I wonder how they can invade when Auberdine is destroyed... |
| 11:42.26 | clever | ive sometimes had the pain of dead flight masters |
| 11:42.36 | clever | i couldnt learn the point because some horde dude killed him off:P |
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| 11:42.51 | Bruners | wait 5 minutes and get it ? |
| 11:42.57 | Torhal | I ARE HORDE! RAWR! |
| 11:42.58 | clever | didnt bother waiting |
| 11:43.00 | Bruners | so much pain! |
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| 11:43.18 | clever | Torhal: i'm also horde:P, my horde char is twice the level of my best alliance |
| 11:43.35 | zenzelezz | dead flight masters... now that reeks of Light's Hope Chapel in the Naxx40 days, or Cenarion Hold in the AQ40 days |
| 11:43.50 | clever | ? |
| 11:44.51 | foxlit | Both of those places had overaggressive guards in those days |
| 11:45.12 | clever | NPC guards killed NPC flight masters? |
| 11:45.21 | foxlit | No |
| 11:45.32 | foxlit | I mean players killing flight masters would probably be killed by the guards |
| 11:45.46 | clever | ah |
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| 11:46.48 | foxlit | Makes playing characters on two factions difficult. I've ran up to the opposite faction flight master in Tanaris twice now. |
| 11:46.49 | foxlit | qq! |
| 11:46.57 | clever | i find the guards will attack any oposing faction that gets too close |
| 11:47.24 | clever | lol, yeah you might right click him to fly off, and kill him instead |
| 11:48.06 | foxlit | In the case of Tanaris, it's certain death |
| 11:48.25 | foxlit | Not only is the flight master like 20 levels above the zone, but the goblin guards will also aggro |
| 11:48.44 | clever | oops, wine was set to win98 |
| 11:48.48 | clever | wow wont install under 98! |
| 11:49.30 | clever | fixed |
| 11:50.03 | clever | next problem, cant agree to the lisence agreement! |
| 11:50.06 | clever | i think its html |
| 11:50.40 | imbrandon | no , just means your useing old wine, that was fixed ages ago |
| 11:51.12 | clever | wine-1.1.35 |
| 11:51.24 | clever | imbrandon: isnt this a new version? |
| 11:52.12 | imbrandon | lemme look, i know thats a problem with old wine though |
| 11:52.33 | imbrandon | i run wow in wine 24x7 no issues, and now that there is native vent client, woot |
| 11:52.36 | imbrandon | anyhow one sec |
| 11:52.45 | clever | native linux vent?! |
| 11:53.04 | imbrandon | yea, "mangler" |
| 11:53.26 | clever | try 'wine --version' |
| 11:53.35 | clever | see if yours is newer/older then what mine is |
| 11:54.05 | imbrandon | mines form winhq debian repo |
| 11:54.22 | clever | mine is from the gentoo repo |
| 11:54.26 | imbrandon | cant tab atm , got a compliation going |
| 11:54.37 | imbrandon | ahhh gentoo, theres the issue , LOL |
| 11:54.42 | clever | [ebuild R ] app-emulation/wine-1.1.35 USE="X alsa jpeg perl threads truetype -capi -cups -custom-cflags -dbus -esd -fontconfig -gecko -gnutls -gphoto2 -gsm -hal -jack -lcms -ldap -mp3 -nas -ncurses -openal -opengl -oss -png -samba -scanner -ssl -test -win64 -xcomposite -xinerama -xml" 0 kB |
| 11:54.46 | imbrandon | j/k, brb |
| 11:54.52 | clever | i recently figured out my vent problems under wine |
| 11:55.00 | clever | i had somehow disabled alsa support in wine :P |
| 11:55.15 | imbrandon | pulseaudio |
| 11:55.21 | clever | pulse is evil! |
| 11:55.40 | imbrandon | hahah ok then no native vent for you, it only uses pulse, as with most modern apps |
| 11:56.02 | clever | ive heard nothing but problems about pulse causing audio sync problems |
| 11:56.10 | Torhal | I always disabled pulseaudio with no noticeable effect save for better frame rates in WoW. |
| 11:56.16 | imbrandon | ive been using it over a year, not one issue |
| 11:56.32 | imbrandon | and none of the oss/alsa heaches |
| 11:56.35 | Torhal | Plus less screen-jerking |
| 11:56.54 | imbrandon | screen jerking ? |
| 11:56.56 | Wobin | ... |
| 11:57.02 | Wobin | that could so be taken out of context =P |
| 11:57.47 | Torhal | imbrandon: Running along, and the screen pauses for a fraction of a second. |
| 11:57.56 | Torhal | Wobin: Pervert. Though, that should go without saying. |
| 11:58.05 | Wobin | That's my middle name! |
| 11:58.09 | Wobin | no, wait ... |
| 11:58.12 | imbrandon | Torhal, hrm sounds like video card driver issues, never noticed that |
| 11:58.28 | Torhal | imbrandon: No, it's CPU and/or disk i/o spikes. |
| 11:58.50 | imbrandon | ahh |
| 11:58.57 | imbrandon | http://i45.tinypic.com/28k0spl.jpg |
| 11:59.02 | imbrandon | brb one sec, grabbin a soda |
| 11:59.21 | clever | Torhal: i always have the cpu/disk graphs open on gnome-panel |
| 11:59.32 | clever | at a glance, i can tell exactly why the system is lagging |
| 11:59.47 | clever | except for that one time where it was lagging weirdly, and then totaly shut off |
| 11:59.52 | clever | the cpu fan was jammed :P |
| 12:01.01 | Mikk | "Wobin: That's my middle name!" Wobin the Wankerdog? |
| 12:01.21 | imbrandon | back |
| 12:02.19 | imbrandon | yea i'm greatfull that i rarely have cpu or I/O problems , sata II ssd's , dual core 3ghz and 8gb ram |
| 12:02.28 | imbrandon | never much "computer" lag issues |
| 12:02.42 | Torhal | I should probably go from 4 to 8GB RAM |
| 12:02.42 | clever | imbrandon: you know where i can get info on the windows vent client? |
| 12:02.52 | haste | pulseaudio is evil and ossv4 is the cure! |
| 12:02.56 | clever | ive starred at the disassemly of it for hours before |
| 12:03.18 | clever | the thing doesnt seem to even have a symbol table, its just 1 giant blob of code |
| 12:03.19 | imbrandon | clever, iirc there is none other than the white room stuff the mangler crew is doing |
| 12:03.37 | imbrandon | i'm sure you could use a alsa-pulse shim if yous stuck a few years ago on alsa |
| 12:03.38 | clever | i'm trying to mangle the windows client to add extra features |
| 12:03.49 | Wobin | Mikk, Probably "Wobin That's d'Wonderdog" |
| 12:03.58 | imbrandon | clever, ahh no idea then |
| 12:04.11 | clever | though it might be better to add those to mangler and just make a windows build |
| 12:04.22 | imbrandon | :) |
| 12:04.36 | clever | right now, my program replaces one of the windows function calls |
| 12:04.39 | clever | for playing a wave file |
| 12:04.48 | clever | so i can detect when vent tries to do that |
| 12:05.00 | clever | but my method of sending the return variable isnt compatible |
| 12:05.06 | clever | so once my function exits, segfault |
| 12:05.37 | imbrandon | never fun, yea i've given up on hackin prop code days |
| 12:05.50 | imbrandon | if there isnt a oss alternative i make one ( or try ) |
| 12:06.09 | imbrandon | been working on a gtk curse client speakin of :) |
| 12:06.10 | clever | took forever just to trace down the pointers to tables of pointers to tables to find the list of functions windows uses for linkage |
| 12:06.43 | clever | once i found it, the damn thing was MMU read only:P |
| 12:06.48 | imbrandon | lol |
| 12:06.50 | clever | so i had to make an extra call to change it read-write |
| 12:07.02 | clever | then i can stick any function pointer in, and i get ran instead of the true function |
| 12:07.43 | clever | but my function uses a different format at the assembly level |
| 12:07.51 | clever | normaly, the compiler is aware of that and handles it seamlessly |
| 12:08.01 | clever | until i start ramming function points where they dont belong :P |
| 12:08.05 | imbrandon | next question is , if you play in gentoo ( eww ) why make a windows build ? |
| 12:08.06 | Snigermis | about wow minimap.. if i mess with the size like make it asymmetric.. not sqaure size. .then the dots and tracking screws up alot. |
| 12:08.20 | clever | imbrandon: most of the targets users are windows |
| 12:08.31 | Mikk | Snigermis: yes you have to compensate for that. go look at how minimap addons do it. |
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| 12:08.41 | Snigermis | hmm |
| 12:09.04 | haste | imbrandon: when it comes to distros, to each their own |
| 12:09.18 | clever | ive got ubuntu also |
| 12:09.27 | imbrandon | haste, yup yup |
| 12:09.54 | haste | you don't seem to have that idea as your doing gentoo (eww) :) |
| 12:10.04 | imbrandon | haste, i just dont see the point in compiling what you dont need to, just tweak/compile the important stuff to you :) |
| 12:10.20 | clever | ive changed the settings to -Os every package before |
| 12:10.26 | clever | to try and shave some bytes off the install |
| 12:10.46 | clever | bzip2 went insane, it stoped decompressing and just spat the input right back out like 'cat' |
| 12:10.50 | clever | and claimed no error |
| 12:11.02 | clever | so then tar failed because it couldnt handle bzip2 streams :P |
| 12:11.03 | imbrandon | lol |
| 12:11.08 | clever | so all of portage failed |
| 12:12.29 | imbrandon | haste, anyhow yes it was more of a joke eww than anything, humor etc dosent come accross irc well , after years i should know this :P |
| 12:13.53 | foxlit | void ridge: home of probably the most annoying mobs in the game |
| 12:14.06 | haste | at least if you have shadow spells |
| 12:14.21 | foxlit | Or you're wielding a slow two-hander. |
| 12:14.45 | imbrandon | clever, you should poke at my gtk curse client sometime , i plan to upload the initial codebase somewhere this week, would be nice for someone to build/test the win32 build(s) , i'm coding with both platforms in mind but have little time to do the testing builds on win32 |
| 12:15.12 | clever | imbrandon: dont have a working build system for win32 right now with gtk |
| 12:15.20 | clever | it does have qt however |
| 12:15.27 | clever | ive done fun things with that:P |
| 12:15.32 | imbrandon | :) |
| 12:15.35 | clever | i built the qt libs on windows |
| 12:15.40 | clever | then copied them over, along with the .h files |
| 12:15.57 | clever | and forced the win32 cross compiler (on ubuntu) to build&link (staticly) against them |
| 12:16.06 | imbrandon | as have i, infact i did alot of the initial porting of the kde4 libs to osx |
| 12:16.12 | clever | so i can now build working .exe and .dll files on linux, with qt staticly linked into it |
| 12:16.26 | Torhal | imbrandon: I was running Ubuntu. Now that I'm running Gentoo, I only have installed what I actually use and my machine is much more responsive. |
| 12:16.37 | clever | imbrandon: how different is the mac kernel from linux/unix? |
| 12:16.41 | imbrandon | Torhal, :) |
| 12:17.03 | clever | imbrandon: how complex would a wine like app be for mac->linux? |
| 12:17.13 | imbrandon | clever, api wise or codebase wise? codebase / design its TOTALY diff, api wise its almost identical to bsd |
| 12:17.30 | imbrandon | not much, wine works on osx now |
| 12:17.33 | clever | imbrandon: so in theory, a mac app could run almost un-modified o linux? |
| 12:17.43 | clever | i mean using linux as the host, not mac |
| 12:17.43 | imbrandon | so does most of kde and gtk/gnome and many others |
| 12:17.51 | clever | so i could run mac programs on linux |
| 12:17.55 | imbrandon | no |
| 12:17.59 | imbrandon | well kinda |
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| 12:18.25 | Ehab | hey |
| 12:18.33 | imbrandon | depends, they work on mac because mac has x11 but native xcode ( apple gcc ) apps use coca |
| 12:18.38 | imbrandon | and coca != x11 |
| 12:18.48 | imbrandon | so its like a one way port most of the time |
| 12:18.51 | clever | imbrandon: yeah, ive heard of how mac lacks x11 |
| 12:19.02 | imbrandon | linux apps work easy on mac, mac apps dont work so easy on linux |
| 12:19.09 | clever | you would have to emulate the mac GUI the same way you install an x11 'server' on mac |
| 12:19.10 | imbrandon | lacks? it includes it |
| 12:19.17 | clever | yeah, as an addon |
| 12:19.22 | clever | like the win32 x11 server |
| 12:19.30 | clever | its not a core part of the os |
| 12:19.31 | imbrandon | ummm addon to 10.2 maybe, since 10.4 its included |
| 12:19.36 | clever | ah |
| 12:19.46 | clever | i havent been keeping up with mac's that closely |
| 12:19.53 | imbrandon | 10.4 is ummm 2006 so for a few years atleast |
| 12:19.59 | imbrandon | :) |
| 12:20.40 | imbrandon | but yea , long story short, its VERY easy for a linux app to goto mac, not so much the other way, but not impossible |
| 12:20.54 | clever | wouldnt somebody just need to make a GUI translator? |
| 12:21.09 | clever | would CLI app's transfer back painlessly? |
| 12:21.10 | imbrandon | and not so much because of the kernel , more of the gui toolkit used to make the apps |
| 12:21.15 | nevcairiel | a proper mac app written in Obj-C is probably pretty much impossible to get to sanely work on linux |
| 12:21.17 | imbrandon | exactly |
| 12:21.33 | clever | nevcairiel: ? |
| 12:21.51 | imbrandon | you would have to port the xcode changes back to mainline gcc to get proper obj-c working |
| 12:22.04 | imbrandon | then make sure the api's are all in place fpor the darwin->linux kernel |
| 12:22.06 | imbrandon | etc |
| 12:22.09 | imbrandon | it would be a pita |
| 12:22.22 | foxlit | points at gnustep. |
| 12:22.23 | clever | i mean getting a mac binary to work |
| 12:22.25 | nevcairiel | its not doable while staying sane :d |
| 12:22.28 | clever | not mac source |
| 12:22.37 | nevcairiel | a binary? not going to happen |
| 12:22.48 | imbrandon | clever, even worse |
| 12:22.50 | clever | like wine, but for mac->linux |
| 12:23.13 | nevcairiel | like wine, its a hell of a project |
| 12:23.19 | clever | lol |
| 12:23.28 | clever | why is making a mac binary so much more work? |
| 12:23.46 | imbrandon | well one of the major questions would be "why" , anything is possible with some work but unlike win32 most major mac software is aslo avail on linux/win32 OR there are VIABLE alternatives |
| 12:24.01 | nevcairiel | yeah thats why no-one does it |
| 12:24.12 | clever | i'm just thinking that most stuff (wow, vent) come in win32 and mac versions |
| 12:24.31 | clever | and if mac is similar to linux, then a wine like program for mac->linux might have less major flaws |
| 12:24.55 | imbrandon | mac is more like bsd but ... |
| 12:25.05 | imbrandon | yea it "could" be done just no real gain |
| 12:25.17 | nevcairiel | there isnt much thats *just* on mac |
| 12:25.36 | imbrandon | or the little that is , is very specific to OS fuctions |
| 12:25.43 | nevcairiel | people would rather focus on improving wine then starting yet another thing |
| 12:26.11 | nevcairiel | which needs years of development before being apple to run applications, anyway |
| 12:26.41 | clever | dont you mean able? :P |
| 12:26.50 | imbrandon | lol |
| 12:27.17 | nevcairiel | nice typo, isnt it :P |
| 12:27.26 | clever | let me try adding gecko support to my wine |
| 12:28.11 | imbrandon | afk |
| 12:28.39 | zenzelezz | [2. Trade] [...]: Orssis is spammer wich makes typo's never go on trade with him |
| 12:28.50 | Torhal | Hah |
| 12:29.13 | imbrandon | lol |
| 12:29.34 | clever | yep |
| 12:29.37 | clever | gecko was the problem |
| 12:29.45 | clever | it was using html and html support was disabled:P |
| 12:29.54 | clever | exactly what i suspected when i saw it crash |
| 12:30.13 | imbrandon | yea geko and corefonts are pre-req |
| 12:30.46 | clever | ive been avoiding gecko because my root drive is nearly full |
| 12:30.55 | clever | even installing bare wine has nearly overrun it |
| 12:31.15 | imbrandon | extend it ? |
| 12:31.22 | clever | its a 2gig usb stick |
| 12:32.11 | clever | cant extend it into space i dont have |
| 12:32.22 | imbrandon | true |
| 12:32.31 | clever | net-libs/xulrunner-1.9.1.6: total(3942), inaccessible(0), size(50695756 |
| 12:32.32 | clever | dev-lang/python-2.6.4: total(3911), inaccessible(0), size(51825566 |
| 12:32.32 | clever | app-emulation/wine-1.1.35: total(1634), inaccessible(0), size(88369901 |
| 12:32.32 | imbrandon | bholtsclaw@akira:~$ df -Th |
| 12:32.32 | imbrandon | Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 12:32.32 | imbrandon | /dev/sdb3 ext4 78G 23G 52G 30% / |
| 12:32.32 | imbrandon | /dev/sdb5 ext4 184G 49G 126G 29% /home |
| 12:32.38 | clever | top 3 packages for size |
| 12:32.56 | clever | wine is 88mb alone, python another 51mb |
| 12:33.08 | clever | ive currently got 12mb free |
| 12:33.25 | clever | and i havent rebuild the boot images, which will probly grow by ~80mb |
| 12:33.32 | imbrandon | time for a bigger usb stick ;) |
| 12:33.55 | clever | i should try removing the headers from the boot image again |
| 12:34.15 | imbrandon | or spend $10usd on a bigger usb stick ;) |
| 12:35.02 | clever | ive done some fun stuff with this stick |
| 12:35.09 | clever | i can remove it after booting, and the system still runs |
| 12:35.15 | imbrandon | time > money , mostly though imho |
| 12:35.45 | imbrandon | true, depends on motives, fun def counts |
| 12:35.47 | imbrandon | ;) |
| 12:36.02 | clever | basicaly, the initrd will unpack a .tar into a tmpfs |
| 12:36.03 | imbrandon | i had some hella fun witha cfcard and an ide adapter |
| 12:36.12 | clever | and then treat that tmpfs as the root mount point |
| 12:36.22 | imbrandon | made a nice little nas/router outa it |
| 12:36.36 | clever | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 12:36.37 | clever | /dev/hda1 2.3G 2.3G 0 100% / |
| 12:36.42 | clever | my router, real ide hdd! |
| 12:36.55 | clever | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.56 | clever | /dev/hda1 * 1 305 2449881 83 Linux |
| 12:36.59 | clever | /dev/hda2 306 392 698827+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 12:37.03 | imbrandon | wow , you still have a 2.3g in use ? |
| 12:37.14 | clever | its a little bigger, some is allocated to swap |
| 12:37.24 | clever | crap, 0 avail... |
| 12:37.26 | clever | damn logs |
| 12:37.28 | imbrandon | still, that thing has to be WAY past its EoL |
| 12:37.42 | clever | /dev/hda1 2.3G 2.0G 215M 91% / |
| 12:37.43 | clever | fixed |
| 12:37.59 | Torhal | I remember when the first five-giggers came out - 1996 |
| 12:38.01 | imbrandon | logrotate + netcat ftw |
| 12:38.13 | clever | Torhal: i still own my 40mb and 80mb drives:P |
| 12:38.22 | Torhal | You're demented. |
| 12:38.25 | Torhal | RLL? |
| 12:38.27 | clever | imbrandon: i never bothered to install logrotate, i just manualy rotate them |
| 12:38.36 | clever | Torhal: dont know, but its twice as thick as a normal drive |
| 12:38.41 | imbrandon | yea i still have some old drives arround, wouldent trust something that old in a production system though, like a router |
| 12:38.52 | Torhal | Anywho - sleeeeeeeeeeeeeep. |
| 12:38.57 | imbrandon | gnight Torhal |
| 12:38.57 | clever | imbrandon: the 1st drive i used did go tits up:P |
| 12:39.06 | clever | but i had the entire root tar'ed and shoved in SVR |
| 12:39.11 | clever | so restoring was easy |
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| 12:45.31 | Wobin | oh man |
| 12:45.36 | Wobin | so terrible at this game |
| 12:45.36 | Wobin | http://www.lingolux.com/2010/02/03/one-button-bob/ |
| 12:45.41 | Wobin | took me 722 click |
| 12:45.42 | Wobin | s |
| 12:46.56 | clever | boooo, flash! |
| 12:47.14 | Wobin | clever, what else are web games going to be written in? |
| 12:47.24 | clever | flash makes firefox segfault! |
| 12:47.31 | clever | and they can just use javascript |
| 12:47.37 | Wobin | ahahahahahaha |
| 12:47.47 | clever | ive seen JS doing full 3d rendering |
| 12:47.55 | Wobin | yes |
| 12:48.01 | Wobin | but it takes them -how- long? |
| 12:48.09 | clever | let me get the example |
| 12:48.21 | Wobin | oh I totally know |
| 12:48.21 | clever | and flash is always a CPU hog |
| 12:48.33 | Wobin | but you will never see a proliferation of JS 3D games |
| 12:48.41 | Wobin | because it takes so much effort to write it in JS |
| 12:49.22 | nevcairiel | something must be broken in that game |
| 12:49.31 | nevcairiel | i can just walk through bombs and everything |
| 12:49.56 | Wobin | huh makes me restart the level for me =P |
| 12:50.14 | Wobin | clearly you are hx |
| 12:50.26 | clever | Wobin: cant find the link |
| 12:51.03 | clever | but i did run into http://www.canvasdemos.com/2010/02/11/qbasic-js/ |
| 12:51.15 | nevcairiel | Wobin: sadly, my boomerang cant hit the boss either, so its not dieing |
| 12:51.18 | clever | and ive writen a qbasic 3d renderign engine before, lets just use that:P |
| 12:52.37 | clever | http://polyhedra.org/poly/ here is a simple 3d demo |
| 12:52.49 | Wobin | clever, yes yes =P |
| 12:52.57 | Wobin | I'm not denying that JS can do fantastic things |
| 12:53.07 | Wobin | just that you'll never see a proliferation of games -using- it |
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| 13:03.01 | amro_ | Wobin: WebGL is fast |
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| 13:03.59 | Wobin | amro_, yes. But Flash is infinitely easier to learn |
| 13:04.10 | amro | it's also infinitely worse |
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| 13:04.22 | Wobin | which is why it will always win out with graphic designers and internet game developers |
| 13:04.24 | clever | Wobin: and dont you need to pay to even 'compile' flash code? |
| 13:04.29 | amro | Wobin: not true |
| 13:04.32 | Wobin | clever, yes. AND? |
| 13:04.40 | clever | which puts it out of my reach:P |
| 13:04.41 | amro | I'm pretty sure 500 easy to use WebGL game frameworks are going to pop up |
| 13:04.45 | amro | each of them easier to use than th elast |
| 13:04.46 | clever | where-as javascript is free |
| 13:04.57 | Wobin | All your arguments are valid and such, but the fact of the matter, is that Flash is far more prolific and easier to learn and use |
| 13:04.57 | xqo | Hi! How do you like to be warned when you need to do stuff? (ie cast a spell) Assume you always know what the alert means so you won't need it in writing. |
| 13:05.34 | Wobin | and as such, will, for the moment -still- and will for quite some time, out exist the newfangled WebGL stuff |
| 13:05.35 | clever | xqo: you could have an arrow over that button in the action bar, or the icon of it pop up in a special window |
| 13:05.47 | Wobin | because people -already- known actionscript |
| 13:05.51 | amro | Wobin: that doesn't make it any less disgusting |
| 13:05.56 | Wobin | yes yes yes |
| 13:05.58 | Wobin | WHATEVER |
| 13:05.59 | amro | actionscript is pretty much javascript |
| 13:06.02 | amro | :) |
| 13:06.07 | Wobin | I don't give a flying fuck |
| 13:06.24 | Wobin | It, no matter your feelings will -still- be the language of choice |
| 13:06.30 | Wobin | so get the fuck over it =P |
| 13:06.34 | xqo | thanks, clever! |
| 13:06.36 | Wobin | and play the goddamn game |
| 13:06.44 | amro | chill out |
| 13:06.56 | Wobin | You're all so goddamn whiny about it =P |
| 13:07.03 | amro | no, I'm not |
| 13:07.06 | Wobin | just enjoy the stupid game |
| 13:07.08 | amro | I even wrote games in flash |
| 13:07.10 | Wobin | jeezus |
| 13:07.10 | clever | xqo: maybe have 3 numbered arrows to tell you what to do next, or a string of images for each spell in the series |
| 13:07.13 | Wobin | why do I bother =P |
| 13:07.17 | amro | ~chill Wobin |
| 13:07.18 | purl | ACTION grabs Wobin and rams a chillpill down Wobin's throat with a toilet plunger |
| 13:07.23 | clever | xqo: or just go all out and clone guitar hero type UI :P |
| 13:07.24 | Wobin | ~lart amro |
| 13:07.24 | purl | puts amro through a wood chipper |
| 13:07.45 | clever | to represent the combination and timings |
| 13:08.22 | xqo | think of it as that dum... |
| 13:08.25 | xqo | err.. |
| 13:08.36 | xqo | that addon that warns you when you get a buff and all |
| 13:09.01 | clever | i was thinking more in the area of what DPS spells to cast for a mage/warlock |
| 13:09.07 | xqo | Power Aura! |
| 13:09.15 | Wobin | Ovale |
| 13:09.16 | clever | whats most efficient to kill it without over-killing and wasting mana |
| 13:09.27 | clever | and the dps:mana ratio |
| 13:09.38 | xqo | Think of it as a PowerAura-warning, its just a warning like that. I'm trying to find out what kind of warning people prefer, be it an icon,a flashing screen or whatever |
| 13:10.55 | xqo | also, is there a list of categorized buffs somewhere? I'm looking for all damage-modifiers |
| 13:11.05 | xqo | "increases your damage by 15%" |
| 13:11.08 | xqo | everything like that |
| 13:11.38 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.41 | Wobin | 96% humidity |
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| 13:18.52 | clever | i should get back to my buffer on the AVR |
| 13:24.43 | xqo | can you do x=1;x+=1 in lua? |
| 13:25.24 | Wobin | no |
| 13:25.30 | Wobin | you have to do x = x + 1 |
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| 13:27.47 | xqo | oki |
| 13:27.49 | xqo | thanks |
| 13:29.48 | xqo | oh for crying out frak. |
| 13:30.05 | xqo | this is the third time today they replay the opening ceremonies |
| 13:33.37 | xqo | also, can i check if a list is empty, or check its length? Right now to check if i can process a list or not i just do: if list[1] then |
| 13:34.06 | xqo | come to think of it thats a terrible idea if there are no numbered indexes... |
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| 13:43.08 | foxlit | xqo: function isEmpty(table) return next(table) == nil; end |
| 13:46.31 | xqo | thanks! |
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| 14:37.17 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/02/crabzilla-5-feet-tall-biggest-crab-heads-uk/ |
| 14:37.21 | Adys | NSFCP |
| 14:37.29 | Adys | (not safe for crabophobes) |
| 14:38.36 | nevcairiel | is that thing for real? |
| 14:39.31 | nevcairiel | apparently it is |
| 14:39.42 | ScytheBlade1 | no need to be aggressive when you're that big |
| 14:41.39 | Fisker | STRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDEEEEEEEEEEER |
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| 14:46.12 | Kalroth | biggest STD ever |
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| 16:03.50 | Adys | yellow = max(self.level, self.level - 2) |
| 16:03.57 | Adys | "Don't code late at night" |
| 16:04.33 | alestane | That does imply a somewhat odd train of thought. |
| 16:04.44 | Adys | its supposed to be max(0, self.level - 2) |
| 16:04.52 | Adys | but yeah, checking for radiation |
| 16:04.55 | Adys | ~kaso++ |
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| 17:03.06 | Shirik | RFC on the standard for internet and txt message acronym: http://os.livejournal.com/807367.html |
| 17:03.17 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:04.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: go steam nao |
| 17:04.11 | Shirik | noty |
| 17:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | http://store.steampowered.com/app/17480/ |
| 17:04.18 | ScytheBlade1 | gooooooooooooooo |
| 17:04.22 | foxlit | Hm. And so my warrior gets to wear spellpower plate. |
| 17:04.24 | Fisker | hey ScytheBlade1 |
| 17:04.26 | foxlit | Curse you, quest itemization? |
| 17:04.28 | ScytheBlade1 | hey Fisker |
| 17:04.46 | Fisker | dun dun dun |
| 17:04.51 | ScytheBlade1 | DUN DUN DUN |
| 17:04.54 | Fisker | you are now forever cursed |
| 17:05.00 | ScytheBlade1 | makes two of us |
| 17:05.45 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.commandandconquer.com/classic |
| 17:05.45 | ScytheBlade1 | gg |
| 17:06.12 | Fisker | old |
| 17:06.30 | ScytheBlade1 | TIBERIAN SUN FOR FREE? |
| 17:06.40 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:06.41 | Fisker | old |
| 17:06.43 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 17:07.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: click steampowered link, proceed with purchase |
| 17:07.16 | Shirik | still costs $30 wtf |
| 17:07.21 | ScytheBlade1 | yea :/ |
| 17:07.24 | Fisker | ownt |
| 17:10.23 | Shirik | hey ScytheBlade1 |
| 17:10.27 | ScytheBlade1 | wat |
| 17:10.27 | Shirik | see that gift button on the left |
| 17:10.28 | Shirik | click that |
| 17:10.35 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:10.50 | foxlit | now how badly did they actually screw up 4? |
| 17:11.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: if I was the one who lost your disc, I would! |
| 17:12.29 | Adys | [Party] [Shaul]: I just rooted a water elemental |
| 17:12.30 | Adys | [Party] [Shaul]: In the middle of a lake |
| 17:12.30 | Adys | [Party] [Shaul]: Go fucking figure |
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| 17:13.03 | ZorbaTHut | that's doubly entertaining if he's using australian slang |
| 17:15.46 | Ackis | penis |
| 17:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: buy |
| 17:16.02 | Ackis | I need streaming olympics |
| 17:16.08 | Ackis | but bell makes me want to pay for them |
| 17:16.10 | Ackis | assholes |
| 17:18.36 | mikma | butthole |
| 17:19.07 | Fisker | lol olympics Ackis |
| 17:19.39 | mikma | paralympics for ackis |
| 17:20.24 | Ackis | i had a huge boner when gretzky lit the torch |
| 17:20.56 | Bruners | Fisker: aren't you watching it ? |
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| 17:21.23 | Fisker | no |
| 17:21.32 | Bruners | why would i believe that |
| 17:21.38 | Ackis | Fisker: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=17741 |
| 17:21.49 | Bruners | everyone that thinks Fisker watches the olympics say I |
| 17:21.58 | Fisker | because tv sucks Bruners |
| 17:22.26 | Ackis | afk putting my fiancee in the hospital |
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| 17:44.36 | elec29a | ole thx 4 help Congratulations, your project, HSC (http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/hsc/), has been approved on CurseForge .. http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/hsc.aspx |
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| 18:24.38 | elec29a | does someone know howto add a screenshot on a curse project i cant find it |
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| 18:25.56 | Arrowmaster | goto curseforge and add an image |
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| 18:29.16 | elec29a | ok they would link em then ? |
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| 18:34.41 | elec29a | uhh ok i must wait for approval ... nothing automated they check each file manually urgs thx |
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| 18:45.13 | elec29a | my 1 configurabel addon its the spell haste text http://static.curseforge.net/content/files/415/170/WoWScrnShot_021310_193140.jpg |
| 18:47.19 | elec29a | wow they even added it to wowmatrix they are fast :) |
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| 18:47.35 | Shirik | is that a good thing? |
| 18:47.44 | elec29a | i think so |
| 18:47.54 | Shirik | I don't |
| 18:47.56 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:48.27 | haste | I don't think so as well |
| 18:48.45 | Fisker | i agree with haste and Shirik |
| 18:48.52 | elec29a | more publicity is never bad ?? |
| 18:49.03 | zenzelezz | WoWmatrix has a reputation |
| 18:49.09 | elec29a | yes i know |
| 18:49.10 | haste | wowmatrix doesn't exactly have a good reputation amongst authors |
| 18:49.23 | Shadowed | or basically anyone but users :p |
| 18:49.24 | haste | and site hosts |
| 18:49.32 | elec29a | and why ? |
| 18:49.54 | Shirik | because they make money by leeching off others |
| 18:49.55 | haste | Shirik: find the post plox! |
| 18:49.59 | Shirik | I'm not wasting my time |
| 18:50.14 | nevcairiel | we should've put that in purl |
| 18:50.17 | nevcairiel | ~wowmatrix |
| 18:50.18 | purl | ACTION stabs wowmatrix with an icicle made from the frozen tears of lazy users, or dodge this! |
| 18:50.25 | nevcairiel | well, something usel |
| 18:50.28 | nevcairiel | *useful |
| 18:52.12 | haste | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22069 |
| 18:52.13 | haste | thar! |
| 18:52.17 | haste | I did effort! |
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| 18:55.21 | Shadowed | huh |
| 18:55.41 | elec29a | thx alot2read |
| 18:55.44 | Shadowed | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Mal'Ganis&cn=shadow&group=2 does anyone see talent data (as in, filled in talents) on that under Firefox 3.6? |
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| 19:02.44 | Arrowmaster | elec29a: use the 'upload image' option |
| 19:02.50 | haste | Shadowed: yep |
| 19:02.55 | Shadowed | ergh |
| 19:03.07 | Shadowed | I broke the armory somehow then, I don't get any data filled in even after clearing cache, but I do in IE |
| 19:03.20 | recluse | Shadowed: empty for me, 3.5.7 |
| 19:03.22 | haste | noscript or some shit? |
| 19:03.29 | Shadowed | No I don't turn on noscript |
| 19:03.31 | nevcairiel | thats because the armory sends static HTML to IE |
| 19:03.38 | nevcairiel | and XML to good browsers |
| 19:03.43 | zenzelezz | Shadowed: I'm with haste... the list was empty for me, then it filled in as it loaded |
| 19:04.15 | Arrowmaster | elec29a: and take another screenshot, something without gold spam in it |
| 19:04.28 | recluse | heh |
| 19:04.29 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 19:04.40 | nevcairiel | in firefox 3.7a2pre it shows no talents |
| 19:05.17 | nevcairiel | no noscript or anything |
| 19:05.27 | Shadowed | weird |
| 19:05.30 | nevcairiel | works in chrome |
| 19:05.47 | Fisker | owned |
| 19:05.48 | nevcairiel | hm wait, chrome gets static html too |
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| 19:05.54 | nevcairiel | apparently |
| 19:06.25 | elec29a | ok thx they rejected the screenshot (they want a zipfile uff) |
| 19:07.20 | Arrowmaster | remember blizzards web devs are too stupid to check the useragent for the render but instead check the browser version, putting Gecko in it doesnt do shit you have to put Firefox/[23] |
| 19:07.47 | nevcairiel | that is relevant how? |
| 19:08.01 | Arrowmaster | elec29a: yes I rejected it because that is NOT how you upload screenshots |
| 19:08.14 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: because thats why it doesnt recognize chrome |
| 19:08.30 | elec29a | can you tellme howto ? |
| 19:08.31 | nevcairiel | who says it recognized any webkit browser? |
| 19:08.41 | Arrowmaster | elec29a: 'upload image' |
| 19:08.45 | nevcairiel | i didnt try to trick it into thinking its a gecko browser |
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| 19:09.14 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: so no webkit browsers are whitelisted |
| 19:09.30 | nevcairiel | no idea, maybe they have safari on the list, but how would i know =P |
| 19:10.04 | nevcairiel | my point was that its not working in my firefox either |
| 19:10.20 | elec29a | i find only upload file can you help me with the link http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/hsc/files/ |
| 19:10.38 | nevcairiel | project management -> upload image |
| 19:10.40 | nevcairiel | its not that hard |
| 19:10.56 | Arrowmaster | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/hsc/upload-image/ |
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| 19:11.28 | elec29a | thx you are such a help :) |
| 19:12.33 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/02/12/funny-pictures-it-with-kittehs/ |
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| 19:26.45 | Mikk | aaawwwwwwwwww |
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| 19:49.26 | Fisker | i'll hd stream you zenzelezz |
| 19:50.13 | zenzelezz | buffers |
| 19:50.40 | haste | converts zenzelezz into rmvb. |
| 19:50.47 | zenzelezz | implodes |
| 19:52.57 | Shirik | ge- (~limi@7 |
| 19:53.00 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 19:53.08 | Shirik | http://www.timetravelfund.com/ |
| 19:54.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: buy |
| 19:55.04 | Shirik | buy time travel? |
| 19:56.04 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 19:56.10 | ScytheBlade1 | http://store.steampowered.com/app/17480/ |
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| 20:08.47 | zenzelezz | whoever came up with the idea of putting additional functionality on the F-keys, replacing the F<n> text with a stupid symbol, should be shot. Repeatedly |
| 20:09.02 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: agreed, twice over |
| 20:09.21 | tekkub | I don't even use the F-keys anymore |
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| 20:09.40 | elec29a | is there some way to fetch an url in wow is it possible to write a simple browser in wow ? |
| 20:09.51 | ScytheBlade1 | no and no |
| 20:09.54 | elec29a | ok |
| 20:09.57 | tekkub | well that's a lie, I use teh ones that don't exist on windows keyboards, F13-F19 |
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| 20:22.43 | kd3 | har. "A record snowfall of trace was set at Macon today. This breaks the old record of 0 set in 2002." |
| 20:34.27 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:34.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: do you have the expansion as well, by chance? |
| 20:36.03 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: no |
| 20:37.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: meh k. I do, but I wouldn't pretend it is worth the money either |
| 20:37.36 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: did it actually add anything? |
| 20:37.56 | ScytheBlade1 | new units and such, yes -- new abilities, and so on |
| 20:38.07 | ScytheBlade1 | The "campaign" is so incredibly weak though |
| 20:38.34 | Thunder_Child | you know, i think i Downloaded it but never installed it |
| 20:38.41 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:38.55 | Thunder_Child | i kept reading bad reviews |
| 20:39.12 | ScytheBlade1 | The campaign is... not a campaign |
| 20:39.26 | ScytheBlade1 | It's more or less 4-5 levels per faction where you control a single unit |
| 20:39.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Each "campaign" is maybe an hour or two |
| 20:41.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I really did not enjoy it that much at all |
| 20:41.40 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: noly 1 more month till C&C4 and we can battle with that as well |
| 20:41.44 | Thunder_Child | only* |
| 20:41.50 | ScytheBlade1 | wait, really? nice |
| 20:42.00 | Thunder_Child | "Release: Mar 16, 2010" |
| 20:42.07 | ScytheBlade1 | crap march is going to eat my wallet |
| 20:42.25 | Thunder_Child | and we can do the SC2 beta whoping as well |
| 20:42.32 | Thunder_Child | whomping* |
| 20:42.43 | ScytheBlade1 | SupCom 2, W40K DoW2 expansion, Assassin's Creed 2 for PC, and now this |
| 20:42.44 | ScytheBlade1 | And SC2 |
| 20:42.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah, I'm gonna be broke =[ |
| 20:42.55 | Thunder_Child | though the beta will at least be free |
| 20:43.06 | ScytheBlade1 | True |
| 20:43.26 | Thunder_Child | i will plat the first 2 you mentiond, but prolly not the last one |
| 20:43.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Though to be honest, unless C&C4 is on Steam, not interested |
| 20:43.34 | Thunder_Child | i didnt fine AC1 that entertaining |
| 20:43.40 | Thunder_Child | find* |
| 20:43.48 | Thunder_Child | i cant type worth a damn this morning |
| 20:43.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Despite being somewhat repetitious, I found it quite enjoyable |
| 20:45.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Tiberian Twilight gameplay no longer requires the player to gather resources to build an army, unlike past C&C games, nor to destroy all enemy forces. In the main game mode of C&C4, the player will have to capture control nodes that are scattered across a map and hold more nodes than the enemy long enough to gain enough points to win the match. |
| 20:45.38 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 20:45.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I probably won't get it period now |
| 20:46.02 | Thunder_Child | stop being so closeminded |
| 20:46.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I like DoW2 |
| 20:46.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I just want more of what they seem to keep removing |
| 20:52.22 | A-KO | http://www.break.com/game-trailers/game/world-of-warcraft-wrath-of-the-lich-king/wow-guy-angry-about-wow-and-irate-about-star-trek-online.html |
| 20:56.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: also, I really wanted to see more of the Scrin |
| 20:56.59 | Fisker | hello kd3 |
| 20:57.02 | Fisker | what can you do? |
| 20:58.41 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: i assume you will since it's the last one and closes out the story |
| 20:59.07 | Fisker | NOTHING kd3 |
| 20:59.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: there won't be any and it will only close the Kane line -- keep in mind the end of C&C3, the Scrin are more or less gone (for now anyway) |
| 20:59.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: I was hoping we'd see them return with 4... but after a bit of reading, looks like we won't |
| 20:59.53 | Fisker | baw? |
| 21:00.12 | Fisker | didn't cnc3 end with that portal thing being open? |
| 21:00.29 | ScytheBlade1 | close |
| 21:00.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Opened, then surrounded in nukes |
| 21:00.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Followed by a secret campaign where they promise to return, but not right then |
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| 21:14.02 | foxlit | Then there's that whole Legion thing. |
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| 21:16.58 | Cide | grr |
| 21:17.06 | Cide | can't get this scrollbar to scroll properly |
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| 21:18.14 | foxlit | What could possibly be giving you any trouble? |
| 21:18.26 | Cide | this is in qt |
| 21:18.30 | Cide | anyway |
| 21:18.37 | nevcairiel | thats where your problem is |
| 21:18.43 | Cide | I have a scrollbar and I want to implement the behavior common to many image editing programs |
| 21:18.56 | Cide | i.e. you scroll to zoom and it scrolls relative to where your mouse cursor is |
| 21:19.40 | amro | Cide: not sure what you mean |
| 21:19.41 | Cide | so that the pixel under the cursor remains static while everything around it zooms in |
| 21:20.00 | amro | what does that have to do with scrollbars? |
| 21:20.14 | amro | or, oh I see |
| 21:20.15 | Cide | I need to figure out how to move the scrollbars to achieve that effect |
| 21:20.20 | amro | you want to maintain the scroll level |
| 21:20.27 | zenzelezz | so... since I moved, my dad has (re)discovered MSN... |
| 21:20.57 | Thunder_Child | ~comfort zenzelezz |
| 21:20.58 | purl | There, there, zenzelezz. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:21.17 | amro | Cide: is this a custom widget? |
| 21:21.18 | Cide | what I currently do is: |
| 21:21.24 | Cide | this is in a QGraphicsView |
| 21:21.34 | amro | ah |
| 21:21.35 | Cide | so I have convenient methods such as mapToScene |
| 21:21.40 | Cide | anyway, what I do is: |
| 21:21.58 | Cide | the user scrolls the mouse wheel, I map the mouse cursor's coordinates to the scene |
| 21:22.14 | Cide | then I zoom in, and map the same coordinates to the scene (now at a different position) |
| 21:22.27 | Cide | and then I scroll the scroll bars according to the coord delta |
| 21:22.32 | Cide | is this logically wrong? |
| 21:22.36 | Cide | it kinda works but not exactly |
| 21:23.26 | amro | Cide: one way would be to calculate the scroll per zoom level, and adjust each scroll |
| 21:23.41 | Cide | it's a smooth zoom |
| 21:23.59 | amro | hang on, let me pull up the docs here |
| 21:24.31 | ScytheBlade1 | bah, I'll likely be getting a new router in Q1 this year too |
| 21:24.40 | Cide | http://pastey.net/132956 |
| 21:24.44 | Cide | is the current code |
| 21:25.24 | amro | Cide: what does scale do? does it work at the Qt level? |
| 21:25.28 | amro | or is it your stuff? |
| 21:25.37 | Cide | it's QGraphicsView::scale |
| 21:26.19 | Cide | (this is in a subclass of QGraphicsView) |
| 21:27.30 | amro | Cide: if it only seems to partially work, it might have to do with the scrollbar not having as much granularity as the scaling |
| 21:27.47 | amro | it takes int, and scale takes qreal |
| 21:27.48 | Cide | hmm |
| 21:27.51 | Cide | I don't know |
| 21:27.59 | amro | try limiting scale to ints and see if it's accurate then |
| 21:28.10 | Cide | wouldn't it catch up the next scale? |
| 21:28.32 | amro | it wouldn't, since you're scaling relatively rather than absolutely |
| 21:28.41 | Cide | scale is a float by nature |
| 21:28.48 | Cide | 1.0 = 100% |
| 21:28.51 | Cide | can't use 200% :P |
| 21:29.20 | amro | resize = 1.01**abs(event.delta()/32) |
| 21:29.25 | Cide | yeah |
| 21:29.35 | amro | then you're calling self.scale |
| 21:29.40 | Cide | yes |
| 21:29.43 | amro | if it's not relative, then that's your problem |
| 21:29.44 | Cide | but how would I do that with ints? |
| 21:29.52 | amro | two ways |
| 21:29.53 | Cide | it is relative |
| 21:30.07 | amro | one would be to only zoom in int amounts (probably not desirable) |
| 21:30.12 | Cide | i.e. if I call self.scale(2) self.scale(2) it scales it by a factor of 4 compared to before both calls |
| 21:30.28 | Cide | can't zoom in int amounts since it's a scale factor |
| 21:30.34 | Cide | int amounts would be 100%, 200%, 300%, no? |
| 21:30.38 | amro | the other is to somehow set the max value for scroll to a large enough int that you can have smooth scrolling with |
| 21:30.54 | Cide | thing is, the graphicsview handles most of this stuff |
| 21:31.01 | amro | yeah so you probably don't want int scaling |
| 21:31.03 | Adys | nicoli_s: are you around? |
| 21:31.07 | Adys | amro, pign |
| 21:31.10 | Cide | I'm thinking I made a logical error somewhere |
| 21:31.13 | Adys | log in your dk |
| 21:31.15 | amro | I never used it, I just use QGLWidget |
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| 21:31.36 | amro | Cide: that's it, I'm willing to bet. scroll is in int while scale is in qreal |
| 21:31.57 | Cide | yeah, possibly |
| 21:32.07 | Cide | the issue is worse when zoomed in a lot |
| 21:32.11 | Cide | when zoomed out it's better |
| 21:32.21 | amro | yep, that's it then |
| 21:32.36 | amro | look at the QAbstractScrollArea docs, maybe something there can help |
| 21:33.34 | amro | also try asking in #qt again, it's usually dead but sometimes someone smart takes notice |
| 21:34.19 | Cide | well |
| 21:34.27 | Cide | maybe you can assert I'm thinking right |
| 21:34.40 | Cide | given the view coordinates, I figure out the scene coordinates |
| 21:34.42 | Cide | then I zoom |
| 21:35.06 | Cide | which means that the same view coordinates to the scene coordinates turns to something else |
| 21:35.19 | Cide | oh! |
| 21:35.21 | Cide | sec |
| 21:35.53 | Cide | ha, solved |
| 21:35.55 | Cide | logical error |
| 21:36.23 | Cide | amro: what screwed up was that I was comparing scene coordinates and scrolling the view by that amount |
| 21:36.29 | Cide | but the view is not 1:1 to the scene |
| 21:37.10 | Cide | converting the view coords to scene coords (which are absolute), scaling, converting the scene coords *back* to view coords and comparing those two works |
| 21:38.27 | Cide | thanks amro |
| 21:38.47 | amro | no problem |
| 21:38.49 | amro | is this for a game? |
| 21:38.54 | Cide | indirectly |
| 21:38.57 | amro | editor? |
| 21:38.59 | Cide | yes |
| 21:39.04 | Cide | world editor for our game |
| 21:39.09 | amro | hrm |
| 21:39.15 | amro | I recall you were working on a MUD |
| 21:39.24 | Cide | its project name is "ctmud" |
| 21:39.44 | Cide | why? |
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| 21:40.15 | Cloudwolf | what should i do if my questlog share/track/abandon buttons don't work? |
| 21:40.22 | amro | Cide: just curious |
| 21:40.24 | Cide | just do the frickin quests. |
| 21:40.24 | amro | and MUDs rock |
| 21:40.28 | Cide | :) |
| 21:40.40 | amro | Cloudwolf: try /console reloadui |
| 21:40.42 | amro | failing that relog |
| 21:40.48 | cbreak | relog |
| 21:40.50 | Cide | and failing that break down in tears |
| 21:41.38 | foxlit | Disable addons, too |
| 21:41.45 | foxlit | Then randomly delete some folders. |
| 21:41.59 | Cloudwolf | i think relaodingw orked |
| 21:42.14 | Cloudwolf | reloading worked yay |
| 21:42.33 | Adys | reinstall wow. |
| 21:42.42 | Cloudwolf | yeah ill go do that adys :D |
| 21:44.16 | Torhal | Actually, install OS/2 |
| 21:44.18 | Torhal | :D |
| 21:45.06 | zenzelezz | OS/360 |
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| 21:45.55 | foxlit | Warrior leveling: arms or fury? |
| 21:46.17 | zenzelezz | yes |
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| 21:46.29 | zenzelezz | don't know what it's like these days, but it used to be arms |
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| 21:48.43 | foxlit | I should bind overpower to something better than alt-3 |
| 21:49.18 | Ginji | prot is awesome! |
| 21:49.19 | zenzelezz | Overpower and Revenge should both be in a very accessible place |
| 21:49.50 | Ginji | Who uses overpower as prot |
| 21:50.02 | zenzelezz | who said someone did? |
| 21:50.28 | Ginji | I just assumed since you're saying to bind them both to something accessible |
| 21:50.57 | zenzelezz | considering you have to be in Battle Stance to use Overpower, I would (and have) placed them on the same button |
| 21:51.07 | zenzelezz | and either way, leveling as prot is still annoying |
| 21:51.14 | Ginji | Nah, it's easy |
| 21:51.18 | nevcairiel | its not really annoying |
| 21:51.21 | foxlit | I have it on a /cast [mod] Overpower; Rend macro |
| 21:51.27 | zenzelezz | it's annoying until you hit 60 at least |
| 21:51.37 | nevcairiel | its been a long time since that |
| 21:51.43 | nevcairiel | but 70-80 as prot is smooth |
| 21:51.54 | zenzelezz | yeah, but 70-80 is smooth as anything |
| 21:51.59 | nevcairiel | just started that last week |
| 21:52.05 | zenzelezz | when people ask about leveling, I assume they mean 0-60ish |
| 21:52.16 | foxlit | 62 at the moment. |
| 21:52.27 | foxlit | 0-60 zooms by too fast. |
| 21:52.53 | olafski | just level in dungeons |
| 21:53.00 | olafski | easy as prot ;) |
| 21:53.07 | olafski | and vanilla leveling goes quite fast in dungeons |
| 21:53.27 | nevcairiel | do you find low level stuff with lfd? |
| 21:53.31 | foxlit | Meh, I miss the fedex. |
| 21:53.52 | olafski | yes nevcairiel |
| 21:54.00 | olafski | I did 25-70 on my druid completely in dungeons |
| 21:54.50 | olafski | though at 60 I took a second spec as resto |
| 21:55.02 | foxlit | I doubt people would be happy if I brought my two-hander to a dungeon and claimed to be a tank |
| 21:55.12 | olafski | so bring a shield :P |
| 21:55.54 | nevcairiel | its been so long since i've leveld 0-60 |
| 21:56.01 | nevcairiel | maybe with cata, when i play a worgen |
| 21:56.59 | olafski | I have no chars in that range anymore :< |
| 21:57.04 | olafski | not on my main server anyway |
| 21:57.15 | nevcairiel | there is unlimited chars in the 0 range :P |
| 21:58.13 | olafski | sure.. but on my current server I'm out of slots |
| 21:58.54 | olafski | technically not unlimited either.. isn't there like a 50 char limit? |
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| 21:59.15 | zenzelezz | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 21:59.37 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hi. |
| 22:00.21 | amro | Cide: it looks awesome. I demand access! |
| 22:00.34 | Cide | what does? |
| 22:00.52 | Cide | the site? |
| 22:00.55 | amro | yes |
| 22:00.58 | Cide | thanks |
| 22:01.01 | Cide | just redid the design |
| 22:01.06 | Cide | anyway, it's not functional atm :) |
| 22:01.22 | Cide | it was before but now we're redoing some stuff backend |
| 22:01.27 | Cide | so it's temporarily out of function |
| 22:01.38 | Cide | I'll let you know when it's back up |
| 22:01.42 | amro | thanks |
| 22:02.25 | zenzelezz | which site is this? |
| 22:02.28 | Cide | http://dev.ctmud.net/ |
| 22:02.50 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 22:03.03 | zenzelezz | what's this? Looks interesting |
| 22:03.42 | Thunder_Child | ~fail zenzelezz |
| 22:03.43 | purl | You suck at everything in life, zenzelezz. I hate you because you fail. |
| 22:03.57 | Lopeppeppy | Owies |
| 22:05.02 | Cide | it's our web-based rpg in development |
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| 22:25.10 | Arrowmaster | lol FFXIII is already being sold for less than half the inital price in japan, now around $40 |
| 22:25.54 | Arrowmaster | and the international release hasnt even happened yet, but of course it will be for $59.99 still |
| 22:26.42 | Fisker | owned |
| 22:34.08 | foxlit | So suppose I have a RGB color and I wanted to desaturate it a bit |
| 22:34.37 | foxlit | Do I have to sling it through HSV to do it? |
| 22:35.23 | nevcairiel | no |
| 22:37.33 | foxlit | oh? |
| 22:37.47 | nevcairiel | although the rgb desaturation is a bit complex |
| 22:38.06 | nevcairiel | you dont want to go full greyscale i guess? |
| 22:38.48 | foxlit | No. |
| 22:40.43 | nevcairiel | hrm how did this work, been some time since i actually rememberd the actual formula |
| 22:43.29 | foxlit | Hm. I wonder if I can just calculate the target gray, and then do a scaled average. |
| 22:43.44 | Cruciformer | foxlit: when you say "desaturate it a bit" are you trying to dim teh class colors or something like that? Or some other purpose entirely. |
| 22:45.11 | foxlit | Cruciformer: something like that. It's actually about the color of a disabled button border, but it's quite the same effect: I want to tone down the visual effect of brightly colored borders. |
| 22:46.30 | Cruciformer | foxlit: the very simplest solution I found 9when I needed to "dim" the class colors when a user was offline for example) was simply to divide each rgb component by the same number. So I took the rgb values for say, a warriors, and divided r, g and b each by 1.5 |
| 22:46.55 | foxlit | Mm. That darkens things. |
| 22:47.02 | Cruciformer | or 1.75 or 2 or whatever your preference is. 2 was too dim. |
| 22:47.17 | Cruciformer | yeah it dims the colors rather than desaturating them |
| 22:47.22 | nevcairiel | all i can come up with is full desaturation into greyscale |
| 22:47.30 | Cruciformer | thats why I was asking exactly what effect you wanted. |
| 22:47.41 | foxlit | Cruciformer: I'm not sure, that's the thing. |
| 22:48.16 | Arrowmaster | !api hsv |
| 22:48.17 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'hsv': ColorSelect:SetColorHSV, ColorSelect:GetColorHSV |
| 22:48.25 | Cruciformer | is simply dimming the border not enough of a visual clue? And if you can live with full saturation can you not just use texture:SetDesaturated (true) |
| 22:49.42 | nevcairiel | i guess you could use the full-greyscale desaturate and average that with the previous colors |
| 22:51.54 | nevcairiel | that'll make it look slightly desaturated |
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| 22:52.01 | nevcairiel | depening on how you average it |
| 22:52.08 | foxlit | "foxlit: Hm. I wonder if I can just calculate the target gray, and then do a scaled average." |
| 22:52.19 | nevcairiel | oh yeah, like that :P |
| 22:53.01 | nevcairiel | I guess RGB-Desaturaton would work like that, if anyone really needs to do it without HSC values |
| 22:53.10 | nevcairiel | HSV* |
| 22:53.27 | Cruciformer | http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=373341 |
| 22:53.32 | Cruciformer | perhaps that will help? |
| 22:53.57 | nevcairiel | thats the the scaled average |
| 22:58.31 | foxlit | Well, it does work. |
| 22:58.48 | Cruciformer | which bit worked? |
| 22:59.15 | foxlit | Weighed averages with the desaturated color. |
| 23:00.07 | Cruciformer | isnt a weighted average a bit computationally expensive? are those static numbers in teh url I posted not good enough? |
| 23:00.46 | foxlit | Those static numbers in the url you posted are for calculating the desaturated color. |
| 23:01.16 | nevcairiel | weighted average just means you dont take a default average, but weight the grey stronger, or the color .. or whichever he used now =) |
| 23:01.41 | nevcairiel | its not really much of a computational difference |
| 23:01.53 | Cruciformer | kk :) I am math-impaired so I trust whatever you say :) |
| 23:04.38 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/132966 is what I went with |
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| 23:06.54 | foxlit | Not sure I like the intensity coefficients, though -- it seems greener colors seem to stay... well, greener. But maybe I just don't have much space for comparison |
| 23:07.54 | nevcairiel | well sure, green is the highest weight |
| 23:08.37 | nevcairiel | but those coeffs are pretty much the standard |
| 23:09.17 | Cruciformer | why do you t*2? |
| 23:09.59 | foxlit | skews the result more towards the gray. |
| 23:10.01 | nevcairiel | thats the weight |
| 23:10.13 | nevcairiel | 2:1 in favor of the gray |
| 23:10.44 | foxlit | nevcairiel: they are indeed standard. |
| 23:11.06 | nevcairiel | the standard for NTSC from '53 anyway |
| 23:12.26 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q0WGQbJbso&feature=fvw |
| 23:12.30 | Adys | the fingers are scary |
| 23:13.07 | foxlit | On the other hand, if we have different sensitivity to different channels, does it actually make sense to use the same blending between the color and gray value? |
| 23:13.50 | nevcairiel | there is a newer set of numbers for more modern displays, 0.21 0.72 0.07 .. but it even weights the green stronger, if that bothered you before already =) |
| 23:14.36 | Cruciformer | will I understand the reasons why they dont just use 0.33 0.33 0.33? |
| 23:14.55 | nevcairiel | its the formula to calculate luminance of an image |
| 23:15.01 | Cruciformer | Why this weighting of one color versus another? Does it have to do with teh fact that thers more green than just about anything else? |
| 23:15.51 | nevcairiel | green just appears brighter then red or blue |
| 23:15.52 | Cruciformer | nev: I was wondering more about how they came up with that formula |
| 23:15.57 | Cruciformer | ah |
| 23:16.53 | nevcairiel | a fully saturated green, (0,255,0) is the brighest of the three colors |
| 23:17.27 | Cruciformer | is that due to some way the eye processes green or some other property of light entirely? |
| 23:17.29 | nevcairiel | red is after that, and blue is pretty dark |
| 23:17.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: so do you have the expansion around then? |
| 23:18.10 | Wobin | Cairenn, |
| 23:18.11 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.11 | Wobin | "Run for 'couver!" (Rejected Olympic Slogan) |
| 23:18.18 | foxlit | On the other hand, this is crap. |
| 23:18.24 | Cairenn | glad it was rejected |
| 23:18.27 | foxlit | Take pure blue, for instance |
| 23:18.32 | Cairenn | that's pathetic |
| 23:18.50 | foxlit | doing RGB->HSV->Desaturate->RGB would get you back to White. |
| 23:19.00 | nevcairiel | trys |
| 23:19.14 | nevcairiel | i get a medium grey |
| 23:19.19 | nevcairiel | 127, fwiw |
| 23:19.36 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: i took a look but it seems i deleted it |
| 23:19.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: lol -- you have a key for it though? |
| 23:20.04 | nevcairiel | which would be about 30 if using the RGB desaturation algorithm |
| 23:20.18 | nevcairiel | 28, to be exact |
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| 23:20.32 | awweaver | Hello |
| 23:20.35 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: no, when i mean DL i mean torrent, not steam |
| 23:20.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 23:20.44 | ScytheBlade1 | so nothing we could play online then |
| 23:20.45 | ScytheBlade1 | meh |
| 23:21.00 | awweaver | You did what with the who now? |
| 23:21.36 | foxlit | nevcairiel: medium gray is interesting. I thought it went (0,0,255) -> (240, 100, 100) -> (240, 0, 100) -> (255, 255, 255) |
| 23:22.06 | nevcairiel | oh wait this thing does HSL, but should be about the same, shouldnt it? |
| 23:22.15 | foxlit | No |
| 23:22.19 | nevcairiel | S is S :P |
| 23:22.22 | nevcairiel | i'm not touching the L |
| 23:22.26 | foxlit | S is S, but L is evil. |
| 23:22.42 | foxlit | L=100 gets you white regardless of S |
| 23:22.45 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: did you just install it or something? |
| 23:22.54 | foxlit | So you end up with L=50 to get the actual color. |
| 23:22.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: no, I've had it all this time |
| 23:23.04 | nevcairiel | gets another tool |
| 23:23.06 | foxlit | Remove saturation, and you end up with the gray. |
| 23:23.15 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: whats with the sudden ugre then? |
| 23:23.16 | nevcairiel | ah there, that does HSV |
| 23:23.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: nothing, just curiosity |
| 23:23.22 | Thunder_Child | urge* |
| 23:23.37 | nevcairiel | ah yeah, in gimp its 240, 100, 100 as well |
| 23:23.51 | nevcairiel | hm interesting how it goes to white there |
| 23:24.23 | Shirik | HSV and HSL are two separate color spaces |
| 23:24.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: okay fine I take that back. http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Giga-Fortress |
| 23:25.35 | Wobin | heh |
| 23:25.47 | Wobin | choreography has allowed the human race many achievements |
| 23:25.56 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.36 | Fisker | startkeylogger |
| 23:26.41 | Fisker | snickers |
| 23:26.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker: lol |
| 23:27.29 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: ah, i see |
| 23:27.47 | foxlit | Oh noes. "If you liked it, then you should've rolled Need on it." |
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| 23:28.58 | Cruciformer | speaking of rolling need, I just got the "greedy" achievement finally. |
| 23:29.07 | foxlit | That parody has a horrible video. |
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| 23:35.45 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: did you want to play a match? |
| 23:36.32 | foxlit | What are we playing? |
| 23:36.38 | Thunder_Child | RA3 |
| 23:37.10 | foxlit | Hm, my copy didn't like updating to win7 |
| 23:37.37 | Thunder_Child | it works fine /on/ win 7 |
| 23:37.43 | Thunder_Child | cant say anything about the updating |
| 23:37.52 | foxlit | I suspect it's just the sneaky removal of its registry entries |
| 23:38.04 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 23:38.08 | foxlit | perhaps with a bit of paranoia on the part of its drm |
| 23:38.16 | ScytheBlade1 | helping a friend with some coding atm |
| 23:38.22 | ScytheBlade1 | But a few rounds tonight would be great |
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