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| 00:04.10 | Lunessa | 'net-splits |
| 00:05.29 | A-KO | okay |
| 00:05.45 | A-KO | I'm thoroughly disappointed in DC Comics/DC Unlimited |
| 00:06.02 | A-KO | I ordered some stuff at blizzcon and was told it'd be in by November and now apparently they aren't going into production until July :/ |
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| 00:06.31 | durcyn | #firstworldproblems |
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| 00:09.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: another? |
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| 00:27.31 | Kraps | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/98119-Cambridge-Deems-Twilight-Worthy-of-Analysis |
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| 00:31.19 | Dagmar | Kraps: Some colleges will do anything to attact "students" |
| 00:33.32 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: better not, i dont want to have to ditch in the middle |
| 00:33.41 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 00:34.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: side note... you watch the replays? |
| 00:34.39 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: no, i usually catch everything when i play |
| 00:35.07 | ScytheBlade1 | one thing I'm noticing is that we have very different camera movements |
| 00:35.41 | Thunder_Child | you can see it through my camera? nifty |
| 00:35.59 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah it records camera movements |
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| 00:37.46 | Kraps | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/98245-Only-30-Percent-of-WoW-Players-Get-Past-Level-10 |
| 00:38.21 | Thunder_Child | if thats true then there is know whay the #'s reported by blizz are correct |
| 00:38.26 | Thunder_Child | no* |
| 00:38.31 | nicoli_s | its only trial players |
| 00:38.41 | nicoli_s | everyone keeps incorrectly reposting that news |
| 00:38.47 | Thunder_Child | blizz counts trials in it's user base? |
| 00:38.48 | ScytheBlade1 | it also saves the last replay, if you're curious |
| 00:40.41 | batrick | http://cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2010/02/08/lemon.palin.cheat.sheet.cnn |
| 00:40.45 | batrick | amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing ^ |
| 00:41.41 | Kraps | batrick: i heard about that |
| 00:47.55 | shifuimam | do WoW addons use XML files for the UI (e.g. can they)? i forget.. |
| 00:48.30 | KarlKFI|work | yes |
| 00:49.06 | shifuimam | i wonder if they're similar to RoM's XML format, particularly because I'm trying to rotate an image |
| 00:49.23 | Kaso | http://i.imgur.com/BB4d7.png |
| 00:49.33 | Kaso | Didn't expect it to be so linear |
| 00:49.48 | Shadowed | They can, but you don't usually use them that much shifuimam |
| 00:50.01 | shifuimam | well, RoM doesn't have support for CreateFrame() |
| 00:50.06 | shifuimam | so i'm kind of stuck using them. |
| 00:50.34 | shifuimam | it hasn't been an issue so far; it's just a little tedious sometimes |
| 00:50.48 | KarlKFI|work | who's "you" in that sentance Shadowed? |
| 00:51.11 | Shadowed | authors |
| 00:51.32 | KarlKFI|work | last i heard xml was a completely valid option |
| 00:51.46 | Shadowed | I never said it wasn't :p |
| 00:52.11 | Shadowed | CreateFrame just gives you more flexibility on when you create things and works better when you're doing things like multiple rows etc. Of course you can do it all in XML if you want |
| 00:52.24 | KarlKFI|work | so you're just making a blanket statement about all addon authors that you can't possibly back up with proof or statistics? |
| 00:52.29 | Shadowed | ... |
| 00:52.29 | shifuimam | yeah, i wish RoM supported it. instead i do a *lot* of copy&pasting |
| 00:52.59 | shifuimam | okay i wasn't trying to start a flame fest. I'm just wondering if there's a <Rotation> tag or something similar for changing the rotation of a backdrop image |
| 00:53.40 | KarlKFI|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/SetTexCoord_Transformations |
| 00:54.02 | Shadowed | I'm making a statement based off of the fact that most addons I've looked at don't use XML. And generally using it to load libraries and get around the TOC delay on non-existent files |
| 00:55.19 | shifuimam | blah, that's all with lua |
| 00:55.24 | KarlKFI|work | which is only a problem for addons with embedded libraries last i checked |
| 00:55.25 | shifuimam | i gotta use xml |
| 00:55.31 | Shadowed | Even when they do use it, it's typically an XML template that they then CreateFrame, in the case of say WTF/ |
| 00:55.42 | Shadowed | shifuimam: You have to use only XML? |
| 00:55.56 | shifuimam | for adding elements ot the UI, yeah |
| 00:56.02 | shifuimam | i suppose i could try the lua route |
| 00:56.04 | Shadowed | I'm not familiar with RoM, but if it's similiar to WoW at all you might be able to use OnLoad? |
| 00:56.09 | KarlKFI|work | the math is the same in xml, you just have to do it manually |
| 00:56.09 | Shadowed | in the XML file itself |
| 00:56.10 | shifuimam | yes, i can use onload |
| 00:56.11 | shifuimam | yep |
| 00:56.26 | shifuimam | well, i want to rotate it...um |
| 00:56.33 | shifuimam | 180 degrees, i think |
| 00:56.57 | KarlKFI|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_Properties#texcoords |
| 00:58.00 | shifuimam | how does that rotate it though? seems like that's just for showing a certain part of the image? |
| 01:00.57 | Kaso | http://pastey.net/132866 <- function for estimating damage you take from falling |
| 01:00.58 | KarlKFI|work | you can use negative values for rotation i think |
| 01:02.22 | shifuimam | hrm |
| 01:02.57 | KarlKFI|work | this might help: http://elitistjerks.com/f32/t45036-tutorial_360a_ring/ |
| 01:03.37 | KarlKFI|work | or might jsut confuse you |
| 01:03.52 | KarlKFI|work | i dont remember the exact coord values to rotate 180 degrees |
| 01:04.19 | shifuimam | i think maybe i'll just copy the in-game image and rotate it in photoshop :P |
| 01:05.04 | KarlKFI|work | 90 degrees is: UL => UR, LL => UL, UR => LR, LR => LL |
| 01:07.09 | KarlKFI|work | do you want a 180 degree rotate or a flip? |
| 01:07.41 | KarlKFI|work | i think this is a flip: <TexCoords left="1" right="0" top="1" bottom="0" /> |
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| 01:08.38 | shifuimam | two flips |
| 01:08.48 | shifuimam | it's a triangle with the right angle on the NW corner of a square |
| 01:08.53 | shifuimam | i want the right angle to be on the SE corner |
| 01:10.19 | cbreak | shifuimam: I use texture coordinates to arbitrarily draw rotated line segments |
| 01:10.43 | cbreak | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8162-ArtPad.html |
| 01:10.51 | cbreak | there's one line texture in that addon |
| 01:11.08 | cbreak | all lines are constructed by adding rotated copies of it :) |
| 01:11.11 | shifuimam | hahahha |
| 01:11.16 | shifuimam | that's a neat addon idea |
| 01:11.29 | shifuimam | i wonder how many crude penis sketches have been drawn with that... |
| 01:11.55 | cbreak | don't ask |
| 01:12.04 | cbreak | I had to make it so only promoted people can draw |
| 01:12.19 | shifuimam | hahahahahahah |
| 01:12.22 | shifuimam | i can just picture |
| 01:12.30 | shifuimam | i mean, with the faces on the screen, it's just begging for it |
| 01:13.34 | KarlKFI|work | hmm, how about <TexCoords left="1" right="0" top="1" bottom="0" /> |
| 01:13.45 | KarlKFI|work | that should be a 2 dimension flip |
| 01:13.45 | shifuimam | i'll try that. your first one didn't appear to do anything at all.. |
| 01:14.06 | KarlKFI|work | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture/SetTexCoord describes the args |
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| 01:15.00 | KarlKFI|work | lol, that's the same as the ifrst one i posted |
| 01:15.03 | KarlKFI|work | hmm |
| 01:15.19 | KarlKFI|work | maybe you do need the negatives |
| 01:15.59 | cbreak | texture coordinates are 0..1 |
| 01:16.16 | KarlKFI|work | theoretically anyway |
| 01:16.17 | shifuimam | hrm |
| 01:16.18 | cbreak | if you want to rotate |
| 01:16.24 | cbreak | you have to use 8 parameters |
| 01:16.25 | shifuimam | do i have to use .tga image files for textures? |
| 01:16.30 | shifuimam | or can i use conventional formats like png, jpeg, etc. |
| 01:16.37 | cbreak | you can use blp |
| 01:16.37 | KarlKFI|work | you can use tga |
| 01:16.48 | shifuimam | cbreak: bmp? |
| 01:16.52 | cbreak | blp |
| 01:16.54 | KarlKFI|work | blp is less conventional |
| 01:16.56 | shifuimam | never heard of it. |
| 01:17.02 | KarlKFI|work | blp is a compression of tgas |
| 01:17.11 | KarlKFI|work | just use tga, it's easier |
| 01:17.18 | shifuimam | can TGAs retain transparency? |
| 01:17.23 | KarlKFI|work | photoshop or gimp can save as tga |
| 01:17.28 | shifuimam | yeah i'm in ps cs3 |
| 01:17.41 | KarlKFI|work | yes, if you save as the right bit depth |
| 01:17.54 | KarlKFI|work | 24bit maybe? or is it 32. i can never remember |
| 01:17.56 | shifuimam | ok |
| 01:18.03 | shifuimam | when i export it from the .fdb it's not keeping the transparency |
| 01:18.07 | KarlKFI|work | the highest one photoshop lets you |
| 01:18.13 | cbreak | if you want alpha, you should use 32bit |
| 01:18.16 | KarlKFI|work | is full transparency |
| 01:18.25 | cbreak | 24bit with alpha would mean 6 bits per color |
| 01:18.28 | cbreak | so not optimal |
| 01:18.34 | cbreak | and I doubt any ap would understand it |
| 01:18.38 | shifuimam | i don't need alpha blending |
| 01:18.41 | shifuimam | just full transparency |
| 01:18.46 | cbreak | same thing |
| 01:18.51 | cbreak | with more bits |
| 01:18.59 | shifuimam | ok |
| 01:19.01 | KarlKFI|work | i think 24 is 1 bit of transparency tho, isn't it? |
| 01:19.01 | shifuimam | so 32-bit then |
| 01:19.20 | cbreak | which color do you want to sapp it off? :) |
| 01:19.35 | cbreak | blue most likely |
| 01:19.37 | KarlKFI|work | well anyway use 32 to be safe |
| 01:19.40 | shifuimam | ok |
| 01:19.44 | shifuimam | i'm tryin the 32 one i just saved |
| 01:19.58 | KarlKFI|work | but i'm pretty sure the mid range still gives you 1 bit transparency |
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| 01:20.17 | KarlKFI|work | could be wrong of course, it's been years since i made a new texture for wow |
| 01:20.56 | KarlKFI|work | you can use xy rotation in xml cant you? |
| 01:21.01 | shifuimam | well, that definitely didn't keep the transparency |
| 01:21.01 | cbreak | the only texture I made for wow was a 32x32 pixel image |
| 01:21.06 | shifuimam | 32-bit TGA save in pshop |
| 01:21.11 | cbreak | with 1 bit alpha |
| 01:21.15 | cbreak | and 7 bit grayscale |
| 01:21.39 | cbreak | hmm. |
| 01:21.39 | KarlKFI|work | shifuimam: did your file have a transparency layer? |
| 01:21.43 | shifuimam | is there something else i should be setting in the file properties or something |
| 01:21.48 | shifuimam | KarlKFI|work: it has one layer, no background |
| 01:21.50 | cbreak | or was it something else? hmm... |
| 01:21.53 | shifuimam | the one layer does have part of it transparent |
| 01:22.22 | shifuimam | i can set it as 16, 24, or 32 bit. i saved it as 32bit and it didn't preserve the transparency |
| 01:22.28 | KarlKFI|work | i believe there's a mode with rgba where you can select the alpha layer to see what's set as transparent |
| 01:22.31 | KarlKFI|work | in ps |
| 01:22.49 | shifuimam | hm |
| 01:22.53 | KarlKFI|work | by default i dont think it makes the layer |
| 01:22.53 | shifuimam | the image mode was set to 8-bit RGB |
| 01:23.01 | KarlKFI|work | that'd be a problem |
| 01:23.16 | shifuimam | even though i saved it as 32 |
| 01:23.18 | shifuimam | we'll try this again.. |
| 01:23.36 | KarlKFI|work | it'll upscale with empty bits just fine :P |
| 01:23.43 | shifuimam | nope, as a 32-bit rgb i can't save it as anything but a PSD |
| 01:23.56 | cbreak | they probably mean 8 bits per color |
| 01:23.57 | cbreak | that's plenty |
| 01:24.16 | KarlKFI|work | i'm not at home or i'd check for oyu |
| 01:24.19 | shifuimam | yeah, it's 8 bits/channel |
| 01:24.21 | cbreak | 32 bit per color is only useful for HDR |
| 01:24.40 | cbreak | or heavy editing |
| 01:24.55 | shifuimam | hm |
| 01:24.59 | shifuimam | sooo |
| 01:27.33 | Arrowmaster | well its not like youll be able to display anything higher than 8bit per color on a computer |
| 01:27.42 | shifuimam | ah i have an alpha channel now |
| 01:27.43 | shifuimam | on my image |
| 01:27.58 | shifuimam | now the only question is which way is transparency - black or white |
| 01:28.33 | KarlKFI|work | trial and error is your friend |
| 01:28.38 | shifuimam | :) |
| 01:28.41 | cbreak | Arrowmaster: I thought there are super expensive 10 bit screens |
| 01:28.58 | KarlKFI|work | my memory blows so i never remember in between times i have to use it |
| 01:29.17 | cbreak | usually black is fully transparent |
| 01:29.17 | shifuimam | what does that mean, bits per color/channel? |
| 01:29.51 | Arrowmaster | have you seen an OS that goes higher than 24bit + 8bit transparency? |
| 01:30.25 | cbreak | OS X might do it pre-color-management... but I doubt it |
| 01:30.38 | cbreak | win probably neither |
| 01:30.50 | cbreak | linux might do it. You never know what crazy things they do when they are bored |
| 01:32.13 | shifuimam | heh |
| 01:32.22 | shifuimam | well damn |
| 01:33.41 | shifuimam | theeere we go |
| 01:33.44 | shifuimam | rox |
| 01:36.10 | DWSR | "are you sure you want to exit the credits?" "....." |
| 01:36.47 | KarlKFI|work | it saves at the end of the credits |
| 01:36.50 | KarlKFI|work | for importing |
| 01:37.08 | KarlKFI|work | exit early => no save |
| 01:37.10 | DWSR | yes, I know. |
| 01:37.18 | DWSR | nO |
| 01:37.20 | DWSR | No* |
| 01:37.25 | DWSR | It saves it whether you exit or not. |
| 01:37.34 | DWSR | I skipped the credits the first time. It doesn't let you import partially completed saves. |
| 01:37.34 | KarlKFI|work | if you say so |
| 01:37.55 | NightHawkTheSane | this is both hilarious and awesome: http://kottke.org/10/02/meat-stylus-for-the-iphone |
| 01:38.00 | Arrowmaster | ive learned to just never skip credits anymore |
| 01:38.38 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: All you have to do for the Kelly romance is invite her over for dinner, right? |
| 01:38.48 | cbreak | everyone knows that after the credits |
| 01:38.51 | cbreak | you get to see outtakes |
| 01:39.08 | DWSR | ah, nevermind. |
| 01:39.13 | KarlKFI|work | i dunno, i could never get her to give me any other talk optiosn than the ones i had at the beginning |
| 01:39.16 | DWSR | You *have* to break up with your current romance? |
| 01:39.21 | KarlKFI|work | orly? |
| 01:39.28 | DWSR | Yeah, you can definitely sleep with her |
| 01:39.41 | KarlKFI|work | guess that makes se4nse. i think all the girls are monogomous |
| 01:39.47 | DWSR | They are. |
| 01:39.50 | DWSR | Not like in the last game. |
| 01:40.05 | KarlKFI|work | which is sad cause in Dragon Age you could definitely sleep with all 3 if you did it int he right order |
| 01:40.06 | DWSR | Where you could sleep with Liara AND Ashley |
| 01:41.19 | KarlKFI|work | re: meat stylus. that's just silly when there's http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/ |
| 01:41.45 | KarlKFI|work | thot he meat stick is prolyl shorter |
| 01:41.49 | KarlKFI|work | er cheeper |
| 01:41.55 | NightHawkTheSane | KarlKFI|work: cheaper, and tastier! |
| 01:42.07 | NightHawkTheSane | when you get to the office, you have a tasty snack! |
| 01:43.38 | DWSR | Can you do any of the other romances once you complete the game, or is the suicide mission the trigger for the romance? |
| 01:44.25 | KarlKFI|work | no idea. i havent tried breakign up after the suicide mission |
| 01:45.08 | DWSR | lulz, yeah. |
| 01:45.14 | DWSR | Next playthrough I'm going for Insanity. |
| 01:46.11 | KarlKFI|work | i might do that after i get through some more games in my todo list |
| 01:46.18 | DWSR | Now that I have figured out the awesome that is Pull Field + Unstable Warp, lulz. |
| 01:46.29 | DWSR | Dude, I don't think enemies even got to my platform during the final battle. |
| 01:46.40 | KarlKFI|work | supossedly ont he 2nd run through you can get 2 bonus powers too |
| 01:46.53 | DWSR | Knocked them all off using Unstable Warp's explosion |
| 01:46.59 | DWSR | Harbinger was such a joke too. |
| 01:47.03 | KarlKFI|work | well that's not too hard with drones either |
| 01:47.03 | DWSR | Reave, Reave, Warp. |
| 01:47.24 | KarlKFI|work | or pull plus push them off the cliff |
| 01:47.27 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: Yeah. Samara + Miranda for the final squad is awesome. |
| 01:47.37 | DWSR | Pull + Throw is 1 target. |
| 01:47.46 | NeoTron | KarlKFI|work: more bonus powers aren't very helpful since you max out at level 30 |
| 01:48.00 | KarlKFI|work | you can respec |
| 01:48.01 | DWSR | Plus it doesn't work against targets that have barriers. |
| 01:48.09 | DWSR | (or shields) |
| 01:48.17 | NeoTron | sure but you can change bonus skill via respec too |
| 01:48.29 | DWSR | Pull + Warp works because it creates an explosion. I ripped through a number of Geth using Pull + Warp. |
| 01:48.42 | DWSR | I was amazed as how effective an all biotic team was against a boatload of Geth. |
| 01:48.49 | DWSR | I was kinda like =\ fuck techs? |
| 01:49.13 | DWSR | There was some hand waggling, lotsa explosions, some Disruptor Ammo, and yeah. |
| 01:49.17 | DWSR | Room full of dead feth |
| 01:49.19 | DWSR | geth* |
| 01:49.28 | KarlKFI|work | warp ammo is OP |
| 01:49.43 | KarlKFI|work | it's liek what +60% dmg? |
| 01:50.10 | KarlKFI|work | use it with the super assult rifle for mid range carnage |
| 01:50.27 | shifuimam | man i do love damage-over-time skills <3 |
| 01:50.40 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: I'm a huge fan of Incendiary ammo. |
| 01:50.47 | DWSR | Mostly because it's a dot. |
| 01:50.58 | DWSR | Now, is it jsut me, or are Scions THE most annoying enemy in the game?\ |
| 01:51.21 | KarlKFI|work | spose. tho i liked group ice ammo for the cc ability |
| 01:51.39 | DWSR | CC ability is provided by the aforementioned pull + warp |
| 01:51.46 | DWSR | Also, Reave and Slam. |
| 01:51.53 | KarlKFI|work | meh |
| 01:52.07 | DWSR | The platform sequence before the final boss didn't require a single shot from me (Shepard), as a soldier. |
| 01:52.14 | KarlKFI|work | i liek shooting things and dont like global cooldowns :P |
| 01:52.36 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: The global's so goddamned short when you max out the Biotic Cooldown research. |
| 01:52.48 | KarlKFI|work | true |
| 01:52.52 | DWSR | You know those areas where the Husks spawn over and over off of the cliff? |
| 01:53.13 | DWSR | Yeah. Samara's cooldown was so short she could Pull Field every time a wave came up. Pull Field kills husks. |
| 01:53.28 | DWSR | I laughed, A LOT, playing the final mission |
| 01:53.35 | DWSR | Also, the nuke launcher is fucking disgusting. |
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| 01:54.53 | DWSR | Still, I waited until right at the end to research most of the upgrades (had a farming spree for about 2 hours). |
| 01:55.05 | DWSR | And yeah, I noticed that I became 2 or 3 times more powerful. |
| 01:55.16 | KarlKFI|work | heh, i couldn't ever get the nuke to fire. guess i never waited long enough |
| 01:55.36 | DWSR | No, you didn't. It's got a really long charge up period. |
| 01:55.43 | DWSR | But you don't even need to be /close/ to your target. |
| 01:55.54 | DWSR | You can almost be pointing the wrong way. |
| 01:55.58 | KarlKFI|work | which is silly cause there's no indication it's charging or what the progress is |
| 01:55.58 | DWSR | And it'll kill *everything* |
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| 01:56.03 | DWSR | As Dagmar said, it ends opposition. |
| 01:56.38 | NeoTron | the nuke is weird |
| 01:56.47 | NeoTron | I could shoot once. |
| 01:56.56 | NeoTron | in general I found most heavy weapons to be mostly useless |
| 01:57.09 | KarlKFI|work | i used the collector beem a lot |
| 01:57.18 | KarlKFI|work | especially vs heavy mechs |
| 01:57.26 | Amarande | Lemme guess. Bioshock 2? |
| 01:57.35 | Amarande | Or ME2? |
| 01:57.53 | KarlKFI|work | this is no longer a wow channel, didn't you get the memo? |
| 01:58.07 | Amarande | is reading some blog entries and trying to decide whether the iPad is a good or a bad product. |
| 01:58.12 | Amarande | is leaning towards bad. |
| 01:58.14 | ScytheBlade1 | So who wants to be creeped out? |
| 01:58.15 | KarlKFI|work | heh |
| 01:58.20 | KarlKFI|work | it's a v1 product |
| 01:58.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.lifegem.com/ |
| 01:58.24 | KarlKFI|work | nuff said |
| 01:58.37 | Amarande | Karl: it's the lockdown to only stuff approved by the Apple App Store that people are up in arms about |
| 01:58.48 | KarlKFI|work | meh |
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| 01:58.54 | KarlKFI|work | same issue as the iphone |
| 01:58.56 | Amarande | (and some, possibly FUD-filled, concerns that at some point Mac OS will be supplanted by iPhone OS, thus causing Macs to be as locked down) |
| 01:59.07 | KarlKFI|work | meh |
| 01:59.10 | KarlKFI|work | bs |
| 01:59.34 | DWSR | NeoTron: I noticed that as well, except if you're using the collector beam. |
| 01:59.59 | DWSR | The beem made the last fight so much easier, as opposed to trying to time the opening of the blast shields for shooting down the tubes with the ML or GL |
| 02:00.08 | KarlKFI|work | there are soem valid issues, but those aren't them, Amarande |
| 02:00.12 | cbreak | Amarande: that's unlikely |
| 02:00.24 | Amarande | I notice very few people defend the lockdown, though |
| 02:00.30 | cbreak | Apple has always used their OS/Software to sell hardware |
| 02:00.35 | Amarande | One is a tech support guy who is basically bitching that open platforms make him have to do too much work |
| 02:00.37 | cbreak | they used the iTunes store to sell iPods |
| 02:00.42 | cbreak | the App store to sell iPhones |
| 02:00.46 | cbreak | OS X to sell macs |
| 02:00.52 | KarlKFI|work | ^^ |
| 02:00.55 | DWSR | Not very well |
| 02:00.56 | KarlKFI|work | it works for them |
| 02:00.57 | DWSR | imo |
| 02:00.57 | Amarande | The others seem to be pessimists who basically claim that the amount of damage malware can do in today's world now outweighs the benefits of an open platform |
| 02:01.10 | KarlKFI|work | that's also bs |
| 02:01.12 | Amarande | which to me seems total BS. |
| 02:01.17 | cbreak | malware doesn't do damage due to open platforms |
| 02:01.18 | KarlKFI|work | since most malware is for windows |
| 02:01.22 | DWSR | My lulz come from people who ask me "But I want to do X on my Mac" |
| 02:01.25 | cbreak | they do damage due to: A. Monoculture |
| 02:01.25 | Amarande | that sounds like an Amarande remark. lulz. |
| 02:01.29 | cbreak | B. Idiot Users |
| 02:01.31 | cbreak | C. Bugs |
| 02:01.36 | DWSR | ~cbreak++ |
| 02:02.01 | Amarande | cbreak: apparently the recent Android scandal was cited as an example of the need to respect malware's damage capabilities |
| 02:02.13 | cbreak | not heard of that |
| 02:02.19 | cbreak | did it involve google spying on it's users? |
| 02:02.45 | Amarande | cbreak: it involved a hacker creating several phishing programs and putting them up on the android software repository as banking assistance apps |
| 02:02.53 | cbreak | Anyway, I doubt apple would cancel OS X and replace it by the iPhone OS |
| 02:03.00 | cbreak | it would just not make sense on a desktop system |
| 02:03.09 | Amarande | and of course the reaction from some is "well looky here, that would never happen on the iPhone or iPad with their REGULATED ENVIRONMENT!" |
| 02:03.11 | cbreak | it's an OS for Widgets |
| 02:03.13 | KarlKFI|work | i think most of the valid complaints about the iPad involve things like no flash, so they cant use existing content suppliers and lack of hardware like a camera or usb |
| 02:03.19 | cbreak | not for general purpose computers |
| 02:03.35 | cbreak | Amarande: Have you heard of iPhone jailbreaking? |
| 02:03.36 | KarlKFI|work | and no multitasking |
| 02:03.51 | KarlKFI|work | tho i really expect multitasking to come with the iphone v4 OS |
| 02:03.56 | Amarande | cbreak: I thought the last time that was tried, it resulted in an iPhone that self destructed when an attempt was made to update it? |
| 02:04.01 | cbreak | I don't consider "ZOMGNOFLASH" a valid complaint :) |
| 02:04.21 | cbreak | Amarande: it's very popular. Many iPhones are jailbroken |
| 02:04.26 | Amarande | cbreak: actually, I run Linux, and find the lack of a decent Flash 10 plugin to be irritating at times. |
| 02:04.31 | cbreak | basically, you use a security hole to hack into your own phone |
| 02:04.32 | Amarande | for instance, dailymotion requires flash 10 |
| 02:04.42 | cbreak | I don't know that |
| 02:04.43 | Amarande | I think the WoW Armory may need it now too |
| 02:04.46 | KarlKFI|work | wellt he problem is everyone hates flash but flash + silverlite are the only things used to stream tv shows over the internet these days |
| 02:05.04 | cbreak | I just use bit torrent. |
| 02:05.08 | KarlKFI|work | so no flash excludes you from established content venders |
| 02:05.11 | Arrowmaster | just use adobes flash plugin |
| 02:05.14 | Amarande | and the only Flash 10 plugin on Linux is adobe's |
| 02:05.33 | Amarande | which is about as stable as francium |
| 02:05.45 | DWSR | In a bathtub |
| 02:05.53 | Amarande | yeah, francium in a bathtub |
| 02:05.58 | DWSR | ^5 |
| 02:06.00 | Amarande | not only radioactive, but explodes on contact with water! |
| 02:06.02 | Amarande | or so we think, anyway |
| 02:06.07 | DWSR | No, it does. |
| 02:06.12 | Amarande | I'm not sure enough francium has ever been synthesized at once to analyze that LOL |
| 02:06.13 | cbreak | the OS X version is okish stable, just slow as hell |
| 02:06.23 | Amarande | after all, we're talking an element whose longest lived isotope only lasts 23 minutes |
| 02:06.26 | cbreak | I get shuttering video playback on an 8 Core mac pro |
| 02:06.35 | DWSR | 8 core? |
| 02:06.36 | DWSR | wtf/ |
| 02:06.38 | DWSR | Why? |
| 02:06.49 | KarlKFI|work | dual quad cores :P |
| 02:06.54 | cbreak | yeah |
| 02:06.56 | DWSR | Not what. |
| 02:06.57 | DWSR | Why? |
| 02:07.02 | KarlKFI|work | because they can |
| 02:07.03 | cbreak | because it's fun |
| 02:07.06 | Arrowmaster | well its not like flash is multithreaded |
| 02:07.10 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:07.11 | KarlKFI|work | ^^ |
| 02:07.21 | cbreak | I didn't buy it for flash... |
| 02:07.28 | cbreak | mplayer is multi threaded :D |
| 02:07.30 | DWSR | Indeed |
| 02:07.35 | DWSR | Now you can watch 8 videos at once! |
| 02:07.42 | KarlKFI|work | prolyl more |
| 02:07.46 | Arrowmaster | a lot more |
| 02:07.52 | DWSR | Prolly not, since the harddisks will choke. |
| 02:07.53 | cbreak | so is x264, so is make, so are many things more |
| 02:08.08 | cbreak | I have 6 GB ram, I can put movies in there |
| 02:08.09 | KarlKFI|work | i do enjoy encoding video on my dual dual core tho. |
| 02:08.16 | KarlKFI|work | and 8gb ram ftw |
| 02:08.23 | DWSR | cbreak: What shitty videos are you watching that 8 of them would fit into 6GB? |
| 02:08.26 | Arrowmaster | mplayer uses less than 15% of a single core for me |
| 02:08.27 | cbreak | hey, I still have 4 more slots to put memory in :) |
| 02:08.36 | KarlKFI|work | get to work! |
| 02:08.43 | cbreak | DWSR: anime episodes are only 400mb per file |
| 02:08.49 | DWSR | 1080p? |
| 02:08.50 | cbreak | usually less |
| 02:09.06 | KarlKFI|work | and you could easily splay a shittonne of movies off an SSD |
| 02:09.12 | DWSR | oh yeah |
| 02:09.12 | Arrowmaster | 1080p would only be from BD rips |
| 02:09.19 | DWSR | anyway, bbiab |
| 02:09.20 | DWSR | food |
| 02:09.22 | Arrowmaster | which there still arent a lot of for anime |
| 02:09.35 | KarlKFI|work | home time |
| 02:09.54 | cbreak | I am not sure 1080p makes much sense for anime. Ok, you get sharper contours |
| 02:09.58 | cbreak | but... |
| 02:10.08 | cbreak | maybe a vector format would be better |
| 02:10.42 | Amarande | cbreak: some people want their hentai boobs as perfectly curved as possible? |
| 02:10.51 | Amarande | heh |
| 02:11.30 | cbreak | vectors would allow that |
| 02:11.42 | cbreak | hmm... animated SVG maybe. |
| 02:13.04 | Arrowmaster | would probably take more processing time to render it than it would be worth |
| 02:13.25 | Dagmar | cbreak: That's part of the reason XVid has an animation-cenric setting |
| 02:13.38 | sylvanaar | anyone heard if global agenda is any good |
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| 02:14.05 | AbsolutRayne | O-o |
| 02:14.11 | Arrowmaster | h264 also has encoding settings that are optimal for animation |
| 02:14.16 | Arrowmaster | like mbtree |
| 02:16.21 | AbsolutRayne | God I want to try oUF, but I dont know if I have the patience to sit there and mess with everything. >< |
| 02:17.09 | Dagmar | I felt the same way about OpenRDX |
| 02:18.13 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, that sounds like an open source program designed to blow shit up :) |
| 02:18.18 | Amarande | Heya Seerah |
| 02:18.24 | Seerah | hihi |
| 02:18.28 | Dagmar | Amarande: Mainly heads I think |
| 02:18.31 | Amarande | at least, if I recall, RDX is something people use to blow shit up, LOL |
| 02:18.39 | Seerah | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat115.html |
| 02:18.47 | Seerah | openrdx ^^ |
| 02:19.07 | Dagmar | It has no current documentation and nothing that most people would consider a sane-defaults-OOBE set to start from |
| 02:19.21 | Dagmar | Otherwise I'd be all over it |
| 02:19.59 | DWSR | Dagmar: BTw. |
| 02:20.00 | Seerah | I've installed it once before - made my head spin more than Discord :) |
| 02:20.04 | DWSR | Nuke launcher FTLULZ. |
| 02:20.18 | Dagmar | DWSR: See what I mean by you don't need to fire it twice. :) |
| 02:20.28 | Dagmar | ***FARKINGbOOOOOM*** |
| 02:20.40 | Dagmar | For outdoor use ONLY. lol |
| 02:20.54 | DWSR | Or inside Collector Ships and reapers. |
| 02:20.57 | Dagmar | They did a good job on the effects with that |
| 02:21.08 | DWSR | Yes, yes they did. |
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| 02:21.16 | DWSR | Dagmar: Have you tried Unstable Warp + Pull Field, though? |
| 02:21.22 | Dagmar | I killed myself six times trying to find somewhere to use it indoors |
| 02:22.13 | Dagmar | dwsr: Nah, I leave the psychic stuff to the npc teammates mainly |
| 02:22.34 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yes. |
| 02:22.36 | DWSR | I did. |
| 02:22.38 | Dagmar | I handle the haxoring and the shooting of faces, they handle the finger waggling |
| 02:22.50 | DWSR | Pull Field (Samara) + Unstable Warp (Miranda) |
| 02:23.02 | DWSR | Think small scale nuclear explosion. |
| 02:23.05 | DWSR | Safe to use indoors. |
| 02:23.14 | Dagmar | Kinda sounds like an outdoor use only combo but I'll take your word for it |
| 02:23.24 | Dagmar | They really should call out when they're going to use those things |
| 02:23.28 | DWSR | Dagmar: Biotic powers don't damage your teammate. |
| 02:23.46 | Dagmar | It's unnerving to have a buncha guys bearing down on you and all of a sudden it's just screaming and bodies flying every which way |
| 02:23.54 | DWSR | Dagmar: Also, I have my squad's power useage on manual only. |
| 02:24.08 | Amarande | "Abuse of the Funky Bomb is the #1 cause of Scorched Earth rounds that end without a winner" |
| 02:24.13 | DWSR | which I'm sure is the only way to survive hardcore/veteran. |
| 02:25.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: you playing with default shep? |
| 02:25.24 | DWSR | (aka soldiar)? |
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| 02:26.54 | DWSR | Olympics are tomorrow!! |
| 02:29.11 | Dagmar | dwsr: Nope. Engineer for teh haxoring |
| 02:29.27 | DWSR | I'm torn. |
| 02:29.32 | DWSR | Everything's much more balanced in ME2. |
| 02:29.52 | DWSR | ME1 was weapons started out better, but biotics were clearly better once you maxed out your character. |
| 02:30.07 | Dagmar | I didn't worry about it much because I never felt like I was stretching myself thin in ME1 |
| 02:30.37 | Dagmar | If there was someone specific I needed taken out, I just sent one of my guys near them, found some cover and had a smoke |
| 02:30.49 | DWSR | Dagmar: You obviously didn't play it on insane. |
| 02:30.54 | Dagmar | Unity > Reloading |
| 02:33.51 | AbsolutRayne | ZzZz |
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| 02:39.40 | kd3 | whee! more s-word coming tomorrow |
| 02:39.56 | Amarande | snow! |
| 02:45.11 | DWSR | Anyone here know of a config UI for oUF? |
| 02:46.34 | Zyn | the closest you can get to a config for oUF is if the layout is using a separate lua-file for frame placements etc |
| 02:47.01 | DWSR | Zyn: I was told, perhaps wrongly, that there were/are ways to graphically configure oUF |
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| 02:55.55 | Dagmar | When I find this supefluous / I'm going to track down it's children and kill them FIRST. |
| 02:56.01 | Dagmar | ...and I'm going to make it watch me do it. |
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| 03:12.54 | DWSR | Any canadians here that are amused by the Canadian Armed Forces ads? |
| 03:15.32 | Zyn | COME JOIN THE ARMY, EH. |
| 03:16.05 | DWSR | Zyn |
| 03:16.06 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 03:16.09 | DWSR | Precisely. |
| 03:16.15 | DWSR | I just laugh because the ads are so intense. |
| 03:16.21 | DWSR | For things like Artillery soldier. |
| 03:16.39 | DWSR | And, I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure that the Canadian Army currently doesn't have any artillery deployed. |
| 03:16.48 | DWSR | Probably because we don't have any artillery TO deploy. |
| 03:17.01 | DWSR | Canadian Army, Faster than Lulz. |
| 03:17.01 | Zyn | dramatic hollywood-like scenes with intense music? |
| 03:18.38 | DWSR | Zyn: No music. |
| 03:18.41 | DWSR | Dramatic yes. |
| 03:18.46 | DWSR | Hollywood like, meh. |
| 03:18.59 | DWSR | But serious lollerskates. |
| 03:19.03 | Zyn | reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWqT8Rljt_8 |
| 03:19.52 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfprThwuxzs |
| 03:20.27 | DWSR | I dunno why. |
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| 03:21.37 | DWSR | The team experience, so incredible. |
| 03:21.44 | cog|away | ima hologram |
| 03:21.45 | DWSR | That's what she said, amirite? |
| 03:21.50 | DWSR | JERRY AND THE HOLOGRAMS |
| 03:22.05 | cogwheel | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126911.300-our-world-may-be-a-giant-hologram.html?full=true&print=true |
| 03:22.27 | cbreak | they don't seem to know what a hologram is |
| 03:22.30 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNpgTt1-H70 |
| 03:23.07 | Zyn | oh that's it |
| 03:23.10 | Zyn | takes the red pill |
| 03:23.40 | DWSR | Take the blue pill, take the red pill |
| 03:23.48 | DWSR | has listened to the Animatrix soundtrack *way* too much |
| 03:24.54 | DWSR | It's a really good soundtrack, I definitely have to recommend it. |
| 03:25.02 | DWSR | Dagmar: |
| 03:25.22 | cogwheel | cbreak: a hologram is n-dimensional data represented as wave interference patterns in a (n-1)-dimensional medium imo |
| 03:25.56 | cogwheel | s/data/information |
| 03:27.41 | DWSR | huh |
| 03:27.46 | DWSR | Neat definition |
| 03:28.30 | Torhal | Fucking integrated sound card. |
| 03:28.41 | cogwheel | i blame it on all the Functional Programming stuff i've been exposing myself to recently >< |
| 03:29.49 | Torhal | I can't get sound working on my machine. I know it's an HDA ATI SB VT1708B but none of the ATI modules for the kernel seem to work. |
| 03:30.01 | Shirik | cogwheel: That is really, really cool |
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| 03:31.45 | Amarande | wow, what is this guy smoking ... |
| 03:31.46 | Amarande | ""Computers" are appliances now, and they're meant to do a small subset of specific tasks very well. They are a disposable commodity no different than cell phones and pagers. The PC companies still don't get it and that is why they're all losing market share and Apple is gaining share." |
| 03:32.22 | Torhal | Amarande: He's smoking Granny Smiths, I believe. |
| 03:32.35 | cogwheel | i have a feeling you (we) may be biased ;) |
| 03:32.39 | cbreak | what kind of moron wrote that? |
| 03:32.48 | cogwheel | for non-developer, non-gamer, it makes perfect sense, imo |
| 03:32.54 | Amarande | cbreak, a blog commenter to an article regarding the iPad being bad because of its locked down nature |
| 03:33.06 | cbreak | the iPad is not a computer |
| 03:33.17 | Amarande | apparently the idea is that we're supposed to accept that computers are no longer meant to be all purpose devices, and those of us who treat them as so are just being plain pigheaded :P |
| 03:33.42 | DWSR | We are. |
| 03:33.47 | cbreak | concluding anything from such widget things to the computer industry as a whole is unwise |
| 03:33.56 | DWSR | We are. |
| 03:33.59 | DWSR | [/troll] |
| 03:34.01 | DWSR | The point is thusly. |
| 03:34.08 | DWSR | s/\./:/ |
| 03:34.31 | DWSR | "Computers" as in, that thing that sits on your desk or in your lap, are multi-purpose devices. |
| 03:35.04 | DWSR | "Computerized devices", such as the MaxiPad, the iPhail, and so forth, are where the computing industry is headed. |
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| 03:35.36 | cogwheel | i just have to say for the record, star trek called them PADDs first |
| 03:35.43 | DWSR | Mostly because users are too retarded to deal with something that does more than one thing. |
| 03:35.52 | DWSR | Swiss Army Knives are a BIG DEAL. |
| 03:35.58 | DWSR | Life: This game is HARD. |
| 03:36.09 | DWSR | What, it can do word processing AND spreadsheeting? |
| 03:36.11 | DWSR | No way! |
| 03:36.25 | cbreak | the iPad can do both |
| 03:36.42 | cbreak | ... at least I read that it can... |
| 03:36.45 | Amarande | Yeah, some folks are saying that PCs should now be designed based on being used by an idiot, for the safety of us all :P |
| 03:36.57 | cbreak | I say: |
| 03:37.00 | kdtresh | can you develop for the macsipad ON the macsipad? |
| 03:37.01 | cbreak | let them shoot their feet off |
| 03:37.07 | DWSR | cbreak: I'm sure there's an app for that |
| 03:37.08 | cbreak | then they can't chase me around as much |
| 03:37.13 | Shirik | (22:36:12) (@Shirik) iPadd |
| 03:37.13 | Shirik | (22:36:33) * Disconnected |
| 03:37.19 | Shirik | I honestly thing someone just DoSed me for that |
| 03:37.29 | Shirik | think* |
| 03:37.33 | DWSR | You'll never know. |
| 03:37.39 | DWSR | :o |
| 03:37.40 | cbreak | kdtresh: I doubt it. |
| 03:37.52 | DWSR | cbreak: I'm sure that there will be an app for that soon |
| 03:37.53 | cbreak | apple seems to disallow interpreters |
| 03:37.56 | cogwheel | iPadd |
| 03:38.02 | cbreak | so you can not write an app for it |
| 03:38.07 | cogwheel | Shirik: fail imo |
| 03:38.12 | cbreak | (compilers are forbidden anyway) |
| 03:38.17 | Shirik | apple is evil |
| 03:38.25 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:38.27 | DWSR | Muchly. |
| 03:38.29 | Shirik | I honestly think apple is more of a monopoly than microsoft |
| 03:38.30 | DWSR | Google is much better. |
| 03:38.48 | DWSR | Shirik: I think that Apple's evil mostly because it's the underdog and it's *allowed* to be evil. |
| 03:38.52 | DWSR | Shirik: I mean, look at it this way. |
| 03:39.31 | DWSR | If Apple had the lion's share of the PC market and they shipped iTunes with OSX, the EU would have probably done the same thing. |
| 03:39.56 | DWSR | So, the fact that they're not the largest player gives them total freedom to be as completely anti-competitive as they want. |
| 03:40.05 | cbreak | I can't imagine apple being anything but a minority player |
| 03:40.21 | DWSR | cbreak: I can't imagine that either, mostly because Windows is now a defacto standard. |
| 03:40.22 | Shirik | sometimes I wonder if they intentionally drive themselves into a wall |
| 03:40.30 | cbreak | apple just doesn't care about supporting ancient crap that windows users in companies love so much |
| 03:40.45 | DWSR | cbreak: I think that may be a chicken and egg problem, though |
| 03:40.53 | Amarande | oh, here's another bad thing about iPad |
| 03:40.56 | cbreak | like their shitty neurlogic sleep tracker reading driver for windows 2000 |
| 03:41.04 | Amarande | Ever use or think of getting a Kindle? |
| 03:41.11 | tem | the valkyrs flying around in the upper spire need to die in a fire |
| 03:41.14 | DWSR | Do users in companies love ancient crap because they know Windows will support it forever and ever? Or the other way around. |
| 03:41.18 | Amarande | Congratulations, you're going to pay higher prices now because APPLE wants to charge 13-16 bucks a book on the iPad |
| 03:41.19 | DWSR | tem: Your raid just needs less fail. |
| 03:41.30 | tem | and they need to stop spawning when all 3 lieutenents are dead |
| 03:41.31 | DWSR | Amarande: You're telling me this like I give a shit. |
| 03:41.36 | Amarande | and is therefore paying publishers to twist Amazon's arm to raise all the kindle books to the SAME price |
| 03:41.40 | Amarande | you know |
| 03:41.53 | DWSR | Amarande: I wear an eye patch (iPatch)? |
| 03:41.55 | DWSR | I'm a pirate. |
| 03:41.55 | Amarande | why is the book industry allowed to participate in price fixing without any sort of regulatory intervention? |
| 03:42.05 | DWSR | Amarande: Because they're not price fixing? |
| 03:42.09 | Amarande | any other industry, and they'd have the feds on them like a ton of bricks NO YOU CAN'T PRICE FIX |
| 03:42.20 | cbreak | the RIAA does price fix |
| 03:42.23 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:42.30 | DWSR | Dunno where you've been for the last....ever. |
| 03:42.33 | cbreak | I think it was 75000$ per song |
| 03:42.52 | cbreak | and they WILL SUE YOU UNTIL THEY GET THEIR VERDICT |
| 03:43.07 | cbreak | I am sure the PIAA is not much better |
| 03:43.08 | kdtresh | and if it looks like they're going to lose, they'll dismiss without prejudice |
| 03:43.17 | kdtresh | so they can gather more "evidence" and sue you again |
| 03:43.43 | DWSR | kdtresh: Has anyone ever tried to countersue them for that sort of shit? |
| 03:44.11 | kdtresh | not sure |
| 03:44.18 | Amarande | why isn't anyone putting the kibosh on the RIAA and MPAA, anyway? |
| 03:44.25 | DWSR | kdtresh: I got a DMCA notice once. |
| 03:44.27 | Amarande | or is it actually the case that if, somehow, the music and movie industries collapsed |
| 03:44.29 | DWSR | kdtresh: Well, the equivalent anyway. |
| 03:44.35 | Amarande | we would be a 3rd world country almost instantly with 0 chance to recover? |
| 03:45.03 | Amarande | that wouldn't be an economic downturn, that would just plain be the death of the economy and the permanent descent of the US into poverty have-not status? |
| 03:45.14 | kdtresh | http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/ |
| 03:45.20 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 03:45.27 | DWSR | kdtresh: And I politely told my ISP that spying on my internet activities without a warrant from the police would be in violation of my rights as a citizen and that I was preparing to file suit with them. |
| 03:45.28 | Shirik | cogwheel this is hardcore shit |
| 03:45.33 | Shirik | how did you find this |
| 03:45.41 | Amarande | basically, can we afford not to mollycoddle the intellectual property industry without triggering a financial collapse for the ages? |
| 03:45.58 | Amarande | or do they have the right of it, that they're too important to not protect? |
| 03:46.27 | DWSR | Wait. |
| 03:46.32 | cogwheel | Shirik: /. or richarddawkins.net |
| 03:46.33 | DWSR | 6500 times their damages? |
| 03:46.36 | DWSR | WHAT THE FUCK? |
| 03:46.51 | cogwheel | i don't remember (just searched google reader and those both came up :P ) |
| 03:46.55 | Amarande | Or perhaps a permanent state of war, since I'm not sure exactly what's left of the US economy after those things are gone, besides pharmaceuticals and the military industrial complex |
| 03:47.11 | Amarande | And to base the economy on MILINDCOM will require more or less permanent war |
| 03:47.33 | DWSR | kdtresh: Seriously? |
| 03:47.36 | DWSR | 6500x? |
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| 03:49.37 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 03:49.44 | DWSR | I'm boned if they ever get their hands on my collection |
| 03:49.51 | DWSR | 6500x $1.40 * 18000 |
| 03:49.53 | DWSR | hrm |
| 03:50.10 | shifuimam | wait what happened? |
| 03:50.12 | Amarande | Basically, is it actually the case that if a corporation IS large enough, it SHOULD be accorded extraordinary legal rights in accordance with being a vital point of support of the economy? |
| 03:50.14 | shifuimam | just came back |
| 03:50.19 | Amarande | (which would suggest the RIAA ought to have their cake?) |
| 03:50.36 | cbreak | you found out you single handedly cost the music industry damages that surpass the worlds yearly GDP? |
| 03:50.40 | DWSR | and shove it down their faces. |
| 03:50.47 | DWSR | cbreak: Pretty much, yeah. |
| 03:51.00 | cbreak | I award you the title: |
| 03:51.00 | Amarande | Wonder if that's what the jurors are inclined to think of when they approve these amounts |
| 03:51.01 | DWSR | cbreak: Actually, I think I'm almost doubling the world's GDP |
| 03:51.02 | shifuimam | DWSR: oh, did you get busted for file sharing? |
| 03:51.12 | cbreak | DWS, DESTROYER of WORLDS |
| 03:51.12 | DWSR | shifuimam: I got a DMCA notice once. I'm not an American though |
| 03:51.16 | Amarande | "GOD WHAT IF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY GOES UNDER AND TAKES THE ECONOMY WITH IT WHERE WILL I EVER FEED MY FAMILY?" |
| 03:51.18 | shifuimam | haha |
| 03:51.25 | shifuimam | fucking RIAA |
| 03:51.32 | DWSR | shifuimam: It was from my ISP |
| 03:51.36 | Amarande | of course, what *does* happen if the music industry goes under? |
| 03:51.40 | Amarande | would the economy go with it? |
| 03:51.45 | kd3 | er, no |
| 03:51.46 | shifuimam | DWSR: right, but i doubt they served it on their OWN |
| 03:51.57 | DWSR | shifuimam: probably not. I politely told my ISP that I was filing suit as we spoke. |
| 03:51.59 | cbreak | do they produce anything of significance? |
| 03:52.00 | shifuimam | that shouldn't have been in all caps. anyhow, i'm guessing they got served by the DMCA and passed it on to you |
| 03:52.06 | DWSR | shifuimam: Since that's an invasion of my privacy. |
| 03:52.18 | Amarande | or would that not have been the truth when the suits started, but now the economy is so rickety that not supporting big businesses as best we can will break it irrevocably? |
| 03:52.22 | DWSR | shifuimam: DMCA is an American law. I'm in Canada. |
| 03:52.28 | DWSR | No hold. |
| 03:52.36 | shifuimam | DWSR: i doubt it was them monitoring you to begin with. but, yeah, you can't be prosecuted by a canadian ISP in canada for an American law, AFAIK |
| 03:52.49 | DWSR | shifuimam: Like I sai. |
| 03:52.49 | DWSR | said* |
| 03:52.53 | cbreak | DWSR: did they just pass on the notice |
| 03:52.54 | DWSR | I politely told my ISP to fuck off. |
| 03:52.59 | DWSR | cbreak: I'm assuming so. |
| 03:53.03 | DWSR | I don't remember, tbh. |
| 03:53.05 | cbreak | or did they actually give the idiots your number? |
| 03:53.09 | DWSR | Since I'm not the one paying for internet access. |
| 03:53.14 | Amarande | cbreak: they keep a lot of money flowing around at a steady rate, creating incomes for tens of thousands of employed Americans and probably a goodly % of Washington's tax income? |
| 03:53.18 | shifuimam | well, it's not them who need to fuck off. it's the RIAA who filed the DMCA charge. your ISP is just passing it on to you because there's not much they can do about it |
| 03:53.18 | DWSR | I hid the notice from my parents and...err...dealt with it. |
| 03:53.35 | DWSR | shifuimam: They shouldn't be passing on a notice from an American company under an American law. |
| 03:53.37 | DWSR | Sorry. |
| 03:53.39 | Amarande | Of course the question arises about the state of the economy also |
| 03:53.40 | cbreak | Amarande: I could code a shellscript that does the same if you feed it enough money |
| 03:53.51 | shifuimam | so are you actually filing suit? |
| 03:53.55 | DWSR | I worked under the premise that, if they were passing along the notice, they *obviously* did some snooping around. |
| 03:53.58 | DWSR | shifuimam: Fuck no. |
| 03:54.01 | DWSR | I'm guilty as hell. |
| 03:54.02 | Amarande | are we merely in danger of having 1930's II, or are we actually approaching the point where if the economy worsens past it, there is NO recovery within our lifetimes? |
| 03:54.03 | shifuimam | lol |
| 03:54.09 | DWSR | I bankrupted the world, apparently. |
| 03:54.12 | Amarande | (probably because the population now is so much higher?) |
| 03:54.30 | eidolarr | I don't get what the big deal is about buying records in the first place |
| 03:54.39 | eidolarr | when I was a kid they were $20 apiece, now they're like $10 |
| 03:54.50 | Amarande | Of course, I'm not in favor of mollycoddling big business even if it was the only way to save the economy |
| 03:54.51 | DWSR | !g 1.40 * 6500 * 16981 |
| 03:54.51 | batbot | DWSR: no results |
| 03:54.54 | Amarande | I'd rather just see the world fall away |
| 03:54.56 | DWSR | fuck you batbot |
| 03:55.04 | DWSR | ~calc 1.40 * 6500 * 16981 |
| 03:55.18 | DWSR | //say $calc(1.40*6500*16981) |
| 03:55.22 | DWSR | oh, this isn't mirc. |
| 03:55.24 | DWSR | god damnit |
| 03:55.25 | Amarande | Sooner or later enough people would starve to bring things back into balance. |
| 03:55.33 | cbreak | lua> 1.40*6500*16981 |
| 03:55.34 | lua_bot | cbreak: 154527100 |
| 03:55.38 | DWSR | ah, yeah. |
| 03:55.42 | Amarande | Probably including record executives, since if the economy ever went on a permanent bender, their money would be no good anymore :) |
| 03:55.45 | DWSR | That's in dollars. |
| 03:55.54 | DWSR | 154 billion dollars. |
| 03:56.09 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXqqw-gQqzo |
| 03:56.14 | Amarande | "ahahahaha Dollars? those are just pieces of entirely overcommon bad art now, sorry chap" |
| 03:56.19 | DWSR | The amount of damage I've done to the US record industry is only surpassed by the US' debt. |
| 03:56.28 | kd3 | so, not quite blowing the world gdp out of the water, but that of most countries |
| 03:56.39 | DWSR | kd3: What's the world's GDP at? |
| 03:56.46 | kd3 | trillions? |
| 03:56.50 | kd3 | fires up the cia factbook |
| 03:57.00 | Amarande | so basically, according to the RIAA, if music trading isn't stopped, we'll all be eating discarded ramen off the sidewalk and living in garbage bags? |
| 03:57.08 | kd3 | 60.6 trillion says google |
| 03:57.08 | DWSR | Amarande: Pretty much |
| 03:57.17 | DWSR | kd3: Meh, I need to get some more harddrives. |
| 03:57.27 | DWSR | Another...2? maybe? |
| 03:57.28 | Amarande | the problem is, with how rickety the US economy is, coming up with a reasonable argument that this *isn't* the case |
| 03:57.39 | DWSR | Amarande: The US economy isn't. |
| 03:57.48 | Amarande | I mean, I'm thinking, what industries are LEFT in the US that we haven't given away to China in exchange for buying the stuff from them for the stuff our remaining industries can make |
| 03:57.50 | cbreak | the US still has an eoconomy? |
| 03:57.54 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:58.13 | cbreak | I mean one not consisting out of laywers and housing brokers |
| 03:58.19 | Amarande | Let's see ... Pharmaceuticals, MILINDCOM stuff, communications, and intellectual property. That seems to be about it. |
| 03:58.23 | Dagmar | Wrong, if music trading isn't stopped, the RIAA will be eating in slightly less expensive restaurants |
| 03:58.43 | eidolarr | the riaa being retarded doesn't justify stealing music |
| 03:58.48 | Amarande | If IP collapses, Comms significantly falters, because there is so much less stuff to pay to communicate ... |
| 03:58.56 | Amarande | which leaves pharma and MILINDCOM. |
| 03:59.07 | Amarande | but once people get poorer, pharma has to be forced to lower prices so people don't all die of minor illness ... |
| 03:59.18 | cbreak | eidolarr: not stealing. But copying is a wholy different matter |
| 03:59.20 | Amarande | which means we're forced into depending on the military industrial complex for the whole of the economy ... |
| 03:59.26 | Amarande | which means WW3 is *forced* and the world is dead. |
| 03:59.28 | Dagmar | eidolarr: This is true, but frankly they've always made the problem out to be worse than it is, and acting like all their customers are criminals is doing nothing but making the situation worse |
| 03:59.40 | cbreak | besides, 150k $ for one song? No one could afford that anyway. |
| 03:59.54 | DWSR | eidolarr: No, but retarded prices for music makes stealing music OK. |
| 03:59.55 | Amarande | Maybe the RIAA has a *little* bit of a point, but of course they exaggerate it. |
| 03:59.56 | DWSR | Sorry. |
| 04:00.04 | DWSR | When I'm paying $20 an album? Fuck that shit. |
| 04:00.11 | eidolarr | you don't have to say 'sorry' every time you make a point |
| 04:00.16 | DWSR | I go to show and support my artists in ways that make money. |
| 04:00.24 | DWSR | make them* money |
| 04:00.33 | eidolarr | cds are like $10-15 these days |
| 04:00.36 | DWSR | Buying their albums, for the most part, gives their label money. |
| 04:00.36 | Amarande | Of course, on a more significant point |
| 04:00.39 | DWSR | eidolarr: No they're not. |
| 04:00.44 | DWSR | eidolarr: I'm in Canada, adjusted figures. |
| 04:00.49 | DWSR | eidolarr: That's *another* thing. |
| 04:00.53 | Amarande | with the economy as it is, perhaps we need to respect IP much more for the sake of those of us with a creative mind |
| 04:01.05 | Amarande | I mean, what are we creative minds supposed to do if creation doesn't make us any money |
| 04:01.08 | DWSR | I could understand, when the exchange rate was like 1CAD = 0.75USD, the CDs being more expensive. |
| 04:01.17 | cbreak | I am a creative mind |
| 04:01.19 | DWSR | Now, with it at like 0.92USD, why the hell am I paying $5 more? |
| 04:01.19 | kd3 | work at starbucks like everybody else? |
| 04:01.20 | cbreak | I create code |
| 04:01.20 | Amarande | and we don't have any time to create stuff for free because the economy eventually forces us to work 70 hours a week to stay alive? |
| 04:01.33 | cbreak | I don't go around suing old people out of their savings |
| 04:01.41 | DWSR | cbreak: Don't you? |
| 04:01.47 | DWSR | Oh, I like to do it on occassion. |
| 04:01.50 | DWSR | It's good fun, actually. |
| 04:01.51 | cbreak | no, not old people |
| 04:01.57 | Amarande | Let's see ... after all that work, and all the extra sleep you'll need from the exhaustion ... what time's left to create or have fun? |
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| 04:02.18 | eidolarr | DWSR: what other industry is theft justified by the consumer feeling the product is too expensive? |
| 04:02.29 | Amarande | Yeah, that's the problem with stealing IP right there. |
| 04:02.31 | DWSR | eidolarr: Lots. |
| 04:02.40 | eidolarr | e.g... |
| 04:02.46 | Amarande | eidolarr: drugs? :) |
| 04:02.48 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:02.59 | DWSR | eidolarr: I'm not saying that stealing music is right. |
| 04:02.59 | cbreak | oil? |
| 04:03.02 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:03.06 | DWSR | eidolarr: It's not. |
| 04:03.08 | Amarande | Food? |
| 04:03.13 | DWSR | I'm saying that the music industry is STEALING from me. |
| 04:03.14 | eidolarr | well then we don't disagree |
| 04:03.18 | Amarande | I've noticed as the economy worsens, we seem to have a lot more trouble with shoplifting at the grocery store. |
| 04:03.19 | eidolarr | errr |
| 04:03.25 | Odlaw | stealing music ? pfft.. i say fair use. |
| 04:03.40 | DWSR | Amarande: Really? I haven't had any problems. |
| 04:03.41 | cbreak | shop lifting is so not modern anymore |
| 04:03.46 | cbreak | do shop copying! |
| 04:03.49 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 04:03.50 | Iriel | It annoys me it's called stealing |
| 04:03.52 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:03.54 | Iriel | it's more "using without permission" |
| 04:03.58 | Odlaw | Don't coppy that floppy! |
| 04:03.59 | DWSR | I was about to say. |
| 04:04.02 | eidolarr | i steal music all over the place too but that is because i am a poor college student, not because it is right |
| 04:04.07 | Amarande | I blame the Sexual Revolution. |
| 04:04.16 | cbreak | why do you steal music? |
| 04:04.21 | Amarande | On the one hand, the idea of people loving as they will is something I have always believed in |
| 04:04.28 | cbreak | it's much more friendly to not deprive anyone from it |
| 04:04.30 | DWSR | eidolarr: Also, how do you justify copyright damages when this shit costs literally $0.05 to mass produce? |
| 04:04.32 | Amarande | on the other hand, I'm sure that's also been a major cause of the recent population spikes |
| 04:04.49 | DWSR | eidolarr: The CD and packaging and artwork and everything is maybe $1 in material cost. |
| 04:04.53 | DWSR | I understand that all involved have to get paid. |
| 04:04.57 | DWSR | But like.....?!?! |
| 04:05.00 | Amarande | which have in turn forced the economy to contort, create, and protect heavily artificial fiat based means of doing business in order to support everyone |
| 04:05.10 | DWSR | 200% markup? Do you know any other industry which works on that kind of margin? |
| 04:05.21 | cbreak | Apple has 30% markup or so |
| 04:05.26 | cbreak | Drug companies maybe |
| 04:05.26 | eidolarr | DWSR: it costs less than a cent for 20oz of cola liquid |
| 04:05.38 | eidolarr | the fact is that you can't say "raw materials cost this much THEREFORE YOU OVERCHARGE" without their books |
| 04:05.41 | Iriel | DWSR: Printer Ink |
| 04:05.44 | eidolarr | you have no idea where their expenses are |
| 04:05.44 | Amarande | DWSR: that's probably just a consequence of the fact that raw media is incredibly cheap |
| 04:05.46 | DWSR | eidolarr: Pepsi and Coke are criminals, as far as I'm concerned. |
| 04:06.01 | kd3 | ugh. I hate printer ink |
| 04:06.04 | kd3 | hate hate hate |
| 04:06.07 | Amarande | kd3: go laser |
| 04:06.09 | DWSR | Iriel: Actually, I get my stuff filled up. |
| 04:06.12 | DWSR | much cheeper. |
| 04:06.18 | cbreak | bought a nice HP laser printer two days ago |
| 04:06.24 | cbreak | well... it didn't arive yet |
| 04:06.27 | cbreak | but I hope it's nice :) |
| 04:06.28 | DWSR | eidolarr: I'll grant you that, but it's not hard to make some nice rough guesses about it. |
| 04:06.32 | cbreak | the toner costs a fortune |
| 04:06.40 | eidolarr | it really kind of is though |
| 04:06.45 | DWSR | eidolarr: It's not, really. |
| 04:06.52 | cbreak | but I doubt I'll ever use it up before the printer falls appart from thermodynamic entropy increase |
| 04:07.02 | Amarande | cbreak: but one cart lasts several times as long as an inkjet cart |
| 04:07.04 | Dagmar | Yes, I know this is delayed but still. If you've looked at where all that money for an album goes, there's one obvious conclusion... |
| 04:07.19 | Dagmar | They should stop spending CRAPTONS of money promoting crappy bands. |
| 04:07.22 | Amarande | my lexmark laser printer gets ... about 3500 pages a cart for about $90 a cart |
| 04:07.28 | Iriel | DWSR: I wouldn't do that for my good printer |
| 04:07.31 | DWSR | eidolarr: I guarentee you it will be inaccurate, but it won't be miles out to left field either. |
| 04:07.34 | Iriel | DWSR: My cheap printer, perhaps |
| 04:07.35 | DWSR | Iriel: I wouldn't either. |
| 04:07.40 | Dagmar | Seriously they are WAY past teh point of diminshing returns when it comes to A&R and publicity spending |
| 04:07.40 | DWSR | I don't have a good printer. :P |
| 04:07.49 | DWSR | Dagmar's got it. |
| 04:07.49 | Amarande | an inkjet cart costs what, 30$ or so usually? and gets maybe 500 pages if you are lucky? |
| 04:08.04 | cbreak | the main problem I had with inkjets was |
| 04:08.07 | cbreak | that the ink dried out |
| 04:08.07 | eidolarr | there is no way to test your conjecture, and unless you work in a related industry, it's not that credible to begin with |
| 04:08.10 | Dagmar | Someone's never used a color inkjet. lol |
| 04:08.15 | Amarande | Dagmar: otoh |
| 04:08.19 | Iriel | Canon at least had the decency to put each color in a separate cartridge |
| 04:08.25 | Amarande | if businesses all became as efficient as they could |
| 04:08.27 | DWSR | eidolarr: I know people that work in that industry. |
| 04:08.31 | Amarande | we would have war in the streets, probably |
| 04:08.42 | DWSR | eidolarr: I know people who think that the music industry is run by a bunch of criminals. |
| 04:08.44 | Dagmar | eidolarr: Dude, I do IT and I like in Nashville. I've seen books. |
| 04:08.47 | DWSR | eidolarr: who work in that industry. |
| 04:08.49 | Dagmar | s/like/live/; |
| 04:08.50 | Amarande | consider the % of people ACTUALLY NEEDED to carry out most businesses |
| 04:09.00 | Amarande | VS the number of people who, due to inefficient business practices, get to have jobs |
| 04:09.03 | cbreak | because companies are ruthless entities only interested in increasing their own profit without compassion for fellow companies or even real humans? |
| 04:09.08 | Amarande | if you cut the number of people with jobs down to the former ... |
| 04:09.14 | DWSR | Amarande: Everyone needs to eat. |
| 04:09.19 | DWSR | Amarande: Your argument is invalid. |
| 04:09.22 | Amarande | there'd be so many people without an income that I don't think even the National Guard would be able to stop utter chaos. |
| 04:09.51 | DWSR | eidolarr: The simple fact is: I can't tell you with 100% accuracy that they work on a profit margin of x% or y%. |
| 04:09.53 | DWSR | HOWEVER. |
| 04:09.55 | Amarande | There'd have to be soldiers with AKs on every street corner to make sure people were good little unemployed citizens and starved to death in an orderly fashion LOL |
| 04:09.59 | DWSR | I can tell you that they're a bunch of fucking criminals. |
| 04:10.03 | eidolarr | tbh these days i buy my music from a shady russian vendor because no legit store sells lossless online |
| 04:10.17 | DWSR | Who ought to be thrown in jail, along with the guys from Nortel Networks. |
| 04:10.19 | eidolarr | right but i think your definition of stealing differs from the conventional one |
| 04:10.24 | DWSR | eidolarr: No where does lossless. Period. |
| 04:10.42 | cbreak | live concerts are as close as it gets |
| 04:10.43 | Dagmar | iTunes does lossless |
| 04:10.46 | cbreak | if you like karaoke |
| 04:10.48 | Amarande | Trouble is, sometimes I wonder if there IS a way to fix society's woes that *doesn't* involve the government having to kill off a significant % to bring things back into line with the production capabilities |
| 04:10.57 | cbreak | Dagmar: studio compressed audio |
| 04:11.07 | cbreak | downsampled to 44.1 kHz, 16 bit |
| 04:11.11 | DWSR | eidolarr: Stealing implies that you took something that causes losses merely based on the fact that you took it, not that you *didn't* buy it. |
| 04:11.12 | Dagmar | Oh... |
| 04:11.13 | cbreak | probably normalized |
| 04:11.32 | DWSR | Dagmar: iTunes doesn't do lossless. |
| 04:11.37 | DWSR | They do ALAC, of certain stuff. |
| 04:11.39 | cbreak | lossless audio is probably 96 kHz 24 bit 24 track audio |
| 04:11.50 | Dagmar | Ya know how you avoide overly-normalized recordings? You get vinyl |
| 04:11.55 | cbreak | no |
| 04:12.00 | Dagmar | ...and not the crap thin mass-market ring |
| 04:12.03 | Dagmar | s/ring/kind/; |
| 04:12.07 | cbreak | vinyl is processed |
| 04:12.10 | Aqua | i'm sorry but if your gonna get into lossless audio.... its flac or don't mess with it |
| 04:12.11 | cbreak | so you can play it back |
| 04:12.19 | Dagmar | cbreak: Not the kind I tend to buy |
| 04:12.22 | cbreak | flac is not lossless |
| 04:12.22 | DWSR | You make sure to buy from labels that have audio engineers that have a brain. |
| 04:12.26 | eidolarr | yes it is |
| 04:12.27 | DWSR | Aqua: Yes. |
| 04:12.32 | DWSR | cbreak: Yes, it is. |
| 04:12.37 | cbreak | Dagmar: if you don't process audio, the needle would jump out of your vinyl |
| 04:12.38 | Amarande | DWSR: there's one little problem with that though :) |
| 04:12.38 | DWSR | It stands for FREE LOSSLESS AUDIO CODEC |
| 04:12.40 | Amarande | namely |
| 04:12.50 | kd3 | lossless from CDs, not lossless from the studio masters |
| 04:12.50 | Amarande | that's *hardly ever the small independent labels you actually WANT to support these days* |
| 04:12.56 | cbreak | the fact that it only does stereo or 5.1 means it's not lossless |
| 04:13.01 | Amarande | that's pretty much 100% certain to only be able to be huge RIAA labels that can afford such luxuries |
| 04:13.02 | eidolarr | false |
| 04:13.03 | Dagmar | cbreak: It's also entirely analog and doesn't generally have some studio freak trying to compress the hell out of it |
| 04:13.12 | DWSR | cbreak: Err. |
| 04:13.15 | Dagmar | No the needle would not "jump off the record" |
| 04:13.18 | DWSR | cbreak: FLAC supports up to 8? channels? |
| 04:13.25 | cbreak | still not enough :) |
| 04:13.26 | DWSR | Dagmar: Oh god, the loudness wars. |
| 04:13.27 | Dagmar | DJ vinyls are handled differently than the mass-market stuff |
| 04:13.32 | cbreak | have you seen studio tracks? |
| 04:13.35 | DWSR | cbreak: Of course. |
| 04:13.37 | cbreak | they have 24 channels or more |
| 04:13.41 | Dagmar | cbreak: I think I mentioned I live in Nashville |
| 04:13.43 | DWSR | cbreak: I understand that they have a bazillion channels. |
| 04:13.53 | DWSR | cbreak: You have sensory overload. |
| 04:14.00 | cbreak | you won't get lossless from that. |
| 04:14.00 | Dagmar | My housemate used to have a 24-channel mixer |
| 04:14.12 | DWSR | cbreak: You can downmix from 24->2 without losing anything. |
| 04:14.15 | eidolarr | cbreak: lossless means 1:1 mapping with the original audio, not these vague floaty arguments about purity of sound |
| 04:14.18 | Dagmar | I used to remember which studio he bought it off of |
| 04:14.34 | eidolarr | lossless means i can encode it to whatever i want without entropy |
| 04:14.41 | Aqua | audophiles, always one in the bunch that will argue you can "hear" every little difference |
| 04:14.43 | Dagmar | re to 24->2 you only got two ears to begin with |
| 04:14.46 | DWSR | Aqua: Actually no. |
| 04:14.55 | DWSR | I can't hear 24vs.22kHz. |
| 04:14.59 | DWSR | I have a PAP |
| 04:15.06 | DWSR | That's why I want FLAC. |
| 04:15.18 | cbreak | you lose information when you downmix channels, when you downsample the sample rate to 44.1 kHz, when you reduce the bit-per-sample to consumer strength |
| 04:15.20 | DWSR | I want to be able to downmix to a compression level appropriate for the device. |
| 04:15.27 | Dagmar | Dj vinyls aren't compressed to hell and back because DJs have a gain knob on the mixer for one thing... They can make it as loud or as soft as it needs to be |
| 04:15.32 | DWSR | cbreak: Actually, you don't lose information. |
| 04:15.35 | Aqua | DWSR, i completely understand that |
| 04:15.38 | Dagmar | Artifically loudening things just makes life harder for the DJ |
| 04:15.41 | DWSR | cbreak: You don't lose auditory information* |
| 04:15.56 | DWSR | cbreak: You lose the definition of where each track is. |
| 04:16.02 | DWSR | cbreak: You don't lose the audio contained in that track |
| 04:16.08 | cbreak | you don't lose that with AAC either :)... if auditory information is what you can hear |
| 04:16.12 | Dagmar | Plus, dance tracks that arne't top-40 crap actually have dynamics to them |
| 04:16.14 | DWSR | cbreak: ALAC is awful. |
| 04:16.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: Indeed. |
| 04:16.23 | eidolarr | cbreak: again you are confusing what lossless means |
| 04:16.25 | DWSR | cbreak: I understand that it's Lossless. The codec is shit. |
| 04:16.40 | eidolarr | cbreak: it means that i can reproduce the original medium (the cd data) exactly and unambiguously from it |
| 04:16.52 | cbreak | the CD is not the original |
| 04:16.54 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:16.58 | eidolarr | yes it is |
| 04:17.01 | DWSR | No it'snot. |
| 04:17.02 | eidolarr | it is the originally encoded material |
| 04:17.03 | cbreak | no it is not |
| 04:17.09 | Dagmar | You won't get "lossless" of the "perfect" kind without a wholly analog recording |
| 04:17.14 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:17.23 | Iriel | cbreak: Your AAC comment is fundamentally wrong |
| 04:17.29 | cbreak | analog recording is extremely lossy... |
| 04:17.29 | eidolarr | my point is that "perfect" and "lossless" are not the same thing |
| 04:17.35 | DWSR | Iriel: AAC has a lossless option |
| 04:17.38 | DWSR | Iriel: It's called ALAC |
| 04:17.50 | eidolarr | again, lossless is a very specific term regarding data compression |
| 04:17.54 | Iriel | Then it's ALAC, not AAC |
| 04:18.01 | DWSR | Iriel: Actually, it's AAC. |
| 04:18.18 | DWSR | Iriel: It's built into the AAC codec. |
| 04:18.28 | DWSR | It's just called ALAC to distinguish it from AAC, which is lossy. |
| 04:18.46 | kd3 | grrs at gfwl being required to play games on steam |
| 04:18.47 | DWSR | since if you say AAC, you're implying that you are using a lossy compression scheme, which AAC isn't. |
| 04:18.58 | DWSR | err. |
| 04:19.07 | DWSR | s/which AAC/which ALAC/ |
| 04:19.12 | Iriel | Are your referring to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lossless ? |
| 04:19.27 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 04:19.35 | Trela | AFLAC. |
| 04:19.39 | Amarande | you know, if the JURY chooses the damages to award for these cases ... why do the juries, which presumably consist of ordinary people, choose to award such high amounts? |
| 04:19.40 | kd3 | "t is not a variant of AAC, but uses linear prediction similar to other lossless codecs such as FLAC and Shorten.[1]" |
| 04:19.41 | Iriel | The thing which is not a variant of AAC, but a different format in an MP4 container? |
| 04:19.41 | DWSR | Ah, it's not an AAC variant. |
| 04:19.46 | Iriel | So, it's not AAC |
| 04:19.51 | Amarande | Usually juries only do that when it's a corporation having to shell out to a person, not the other way round ... |
| 04:19.53 | DWSR | Iriel: *shrug* Ok, you're right. |
| 04:20.08 | DWSR | Amarande: They don't. |
| 04:20.20 | cogwheel | So, how 'bout them <sports team>s? |
| 04:20.21 | DWSR | Amarande: They just choose guilty/not guilty, don't they? |
| 04:20.31 | cbreak | they awarded damages |
| 04:20.32 | DWSR | Iriel: It's all the same piece of shit that is Apple. |
| 04:20.39 | cbreak | that judge guy said: 54k tops! |
| 04:20.45 | Amarande | DWSR: I was reading one of hte documents regarding the Tenenbaum suit, and there are multiple references to "the amount awarded by the jury" |
| 04:20.45 | Aqua | piece of shit that is apple... |
| 04:20.48 | cbreak | RIAA said Nahhh... thanks, we'll just sue again |
| 04:21.02 | DWSR | Aqua: Yes, I have a deep hatred for Apple's products. |
| 04:21.10 | Aqua | I'm just admiring that statement man |
| 04:21.12 | Amarande | which suggests the jury chooses the amount |
| 04:21.19 | DWSR | Aqua: Why? |
| 04:21.20 | cbreak | because they make you feel inferiior when using windows products? :) |
| 04:21.30 | DWSR | cbreak: Err, no? |
| 04:21.34 | DWSR | cbreak: Macfag. :P |
| 04:21.37 | Iriel | Apple make some excellent products, and some I dont find that useful. |
| 04:21.40 | Amarande | or does that sort of thing go on public record such that, say, your career's future can be at risk when hiring managers see you "didn't show enough respect to business" by "awarding ridiculously low amounts of damages"? |
| 04:21.45 | Aqua | I have my issues with Apple myself |
| 04:21.55 | DWSR | Iriel: Apple does *design* of their interfaces well. |
| 04:22.01 | DWSR | And I can respect that and appreciate that. |
| 04:22.01 | Amarande | after all, you can hardly do ANYTHING in today's world anymore without having to worry about whether hiring managers will judge you negatively on it :S |
| 04:22.12 | eidolarr | if xcode was better macs would be more compelling |
| 04:22.14 | DWSR | It's everything else about their products that I utterly dispise. |
| 04:22.18 | DWSR | depise* |
| 04:22.20 | DWSR | fuck. |
| 04:22.22 | cbreak | xcode is nice imho |
| 04:22.25 | DWSR | depise(sp) |
| 04:22.25 | Iriel | Their laptops and desktops (good ones) are lovely |
| 04:22.26 | batbot | DWSR, demise, Denise, depose, despise, devise. |
| 04:22.29 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 04:22.41 | DWSR | Iriel: And they'd be just as good running Windows or Linux or any other operating system on it. |
| 04:22.52 | Aqua | I own a macbook, I like it, but i think their support is a fucking joke |
| 04:22.56 | Iriel | Sure, but OSX is also nice |
| 04:23.06 | Iriel | I moved to it from Linux and haven't looked back for desktop use |
| 04:23.20 | eidolarr | i'd miss aptitude too much :? |
| 04:23.23 | cbreak | I've never seen support from any company or any product not suck |
| 04:23.25 | DWSR | Iriel: I'm not going to draw you into a Mac vs. <insert something else here> debate. |
| 04:23.30 | Amarande | DWSR, do you know if there are any documented cases of people being unable to get a decent job because they were on a jury and didn't award enough to a corporate winner? |
| 04:23.37 | DWSR | Amarande: No. |
| 04:23.37 | Iriel | Aqua: They replaced my mainboard, in their store, for free (under support, granted) - I'm impressed by that |
| 04:23.48 | DWSR | Iriel: You're *impressed*? |
| 04:23.57 | DWSR | Iriel: If it's under warranty, that is *expected*. |
| 04:24.01 | eidolarr | well it depends right |
| 04:24.03 | Iriel | Compared to most vendors which would require me to mail it off to some bizarre location |
| 04:24.05 | Iriel | wait 2 weeks |
| 04:24.10 | Iriel | etc |
| 04:24.12 | DWSR | Iriel: No. |
| 04:24.16 | eidolarr | if it was broken because he urinated on it, it suddenly becomes impressive |
| 04:24.17 | Amarande | DWSR: okay, then. |
| 04:24.23 | Aqua | Iriel, thats nothing, giving you a new computer would have impressed me |
| 04:24.28 | Iriel | True |
| 04:24.31 | DWSR | Iriel: *most* vendors have options. You *can* do that, you can also take it to an authorized repair shop. |
| 04:24.35 | Iriel | That would have impressed me too |
| 04:24.46 | Amarande | what retribution DOES a juror face if they aren't willing to go with the usual flow of things, and insists on awarding too low damages compared to what the company wants? |
| 04:24.50 | DWSR | Iriel: Replacing your mainboard for free while it's under warranty is rediculous. |
| 04:24.55 | DWSR | Amarande: None. |
| 04:25.06 | DWSR | Amarande: Stop coming up with rediculous shit. |
| 04:25.09 | Aqua | I rma''ed my first macbook 9 times before i got them to do something about it |
| 04:25.10 | Iriel | It helps I can walk to an apple store in 10 minutes |
| 04:25.11 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 04:25.16 | eidolarr | ridiculous, as in deserving of ridicule |
| 04:25.26 | Amarande | DWSR: okay, if there's no retribution they risk, then why do they do it? |
| 04:25.36 | DWSR | Amarande: Because they're all hillbillies? |
| 04:25.46 | DWSR | Amarande: You do realize the *type* of people that are on juries, usually, right? |
| 04:25.48 | cbreak | the riaa bribed them |
| 04:25.57 | cbreak | or convinced them |
| 04:26.01 | Iriel | Aqua: Your experience is not a goodone, that would put me off them for life for sure |
| 04:26.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Brunera (lasseb@colargol.tihlde.org) |
| 04:26.12 | Amarande | or is it the other way round, and you might actually get in good with a nice big Fortune 500 company and possibly a cushy paying job, if you show love for them by awarding them lots? |
| 04:26.18 | Aqua | its not that it put me off for life... its just i have issues with their supports |
| 04:26.21 | Aqua | *support |
| 04:26.37 | DWSR | Aqua: All customer support from big IT companies is just awful. |
| 04:26.38 | Amarande | DWSR: Given that I actually *went* to jury duty, and I'm not dumb enough to award such amounts? :) |
| 04:26.40 | DWSR | It doesn't matter who. |
| 04:26.49 | DWSR | Amarande: Hence I said *usually*. |
| 04:26.56 | Aqua | DWSR, I'll concede that point, unless your freaking Cisco or HP |
| 04:26.58 | Amarande | DWSR: actually, perhaps this suggests something |
| 04:27.16 | DWSR | Aqua: HP support sucks too. |
| 04:27.17 | Amarande | that when we find excuses to get out of jury duty, it helps perpetrate travesties like this by ensuring that the juries become dumber on average? :) |
| 04:27.30 | DWSR | Aqua: I blame bad customer support on a lack of knowledge on both sides of the equation |
| 04:27.33 | Amarande | in other words, IF YOU DON'T GO TO JURY DUTY YOU ARE HELPING THE RIAA |
| 04:27.37 | Arrowmaster | a jury is never made up of 'peers' its made up of people that both lawyers felt were too stupid to have an opinion of their own and could be molded into thinking whatever the lawyer wanted them to think |
| 04:27.54 | Aqua | DWSR, I used to deal with their networking hardware side, and their networking support was on top of stuff, it was the best i'd ever seen |
| 04:27.58 | cbreak | uhm, why arrow? |
| 04:28.03 | cbreak | aren't they randomly selected? |
| 04:28.11 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:28.16 | cbreak | the laywers selecting them would be kind of bad |
| 04:28.16 | Aqua | and on that support thing, thats not 100% true, part of it, is people who just can't understand english..... |
| 04:28.18 | DWSR | Consumers don't have knowledge about the products they use, so they go "It's not working, FIX NOW!", and in response, support people (who are usually also consumers), treat you like an idiot because they don't know who you are. |
| 04:28.21 | Amarande | cbreak: in the US at least, each attorney has the opportunity to reject a certain number of potential jurors |
| 04:28.25 | Arrowmaster | the lawyers have to approve of them |
| 04:28.26 | DWSR | support people have a playbook that they follow. |
| 04:28.32 | DWSR | Because 90% of the time, the playbook works. |
| 04:28.32 | kd3 | randomly selected into the juror pool. actual jurors are selected by the prosecution/defense |
| 04:28.46 | cbreak | ... now that's dumb |
| 04:28.53 | Amarande | kd3: I thought it was that they had the right to reject the offered juror, not to actively say they want X juror from the pool |
| 04:29.07 | Amarande | but then, it was such a slow day when I went to jury duty that I never even reached a voir dire, sooo ... |
| 04:29.17 | Aqua | DWSR, whats your issue with Apple? |
| 04:29.23 | eidolarr | that is how i know it to be as well |
| 04:29.40 | Amarande | basically I sat around a room in the court with a bunch of other potential jurors and eventually we got told we could go home LOL |
| 04:29.51 | Amarande | since I think there was only one case on the docket that day or something |
| 04:29.57 | cbreak | JUSTICE is served |
| 04:30.14 | cbreak | you have to do that roman thing |
| 04:30.27 | cbreak | thumbs up: he lives. Thumbs down, the lions get him |
| 04:30.29 | Aqua | eye for an eye? |
| 04:30.33 | DWSR | Aqua: Usually, when dealing with customer support, I use the first 2 minutes to explain that I am indeed a consumer with an advanced level of knowledge with all things electronic. |
| 04:30.36 | Amarande | Aqua: no, that's Abrahamic |
| 04:30.39 | cbreak | I am sure that would encourage more jury goers |
| 04:30.58 | DWSR | Aqua: I use the next 2 minutes to explain that their playbook will most likely *not* help them in this case. |
| 04:31.30 | DWSR | Aqua: And then the next 1 minute explaining that if they don't feel comfortable with dealing with a complex problem, I won't feel bad if they transfer me to a different rep. |
| 04:31.34 | eidolarr | then they put you on hold for another department for 10 mins and the game starts over |
| 04:31.36 | cbreak | ... and 5 minutes telling them you have already turned it off and on? |
| 04:31.38 | Arrowmaster | absolute worst is calling ISP tech support and trying to explain to the indian that you are a network administrator, telling me to unplug the modem is stupid |
| 04:31.45 | DWSR | cbreak: Yes. |
| 04:32.16 | DWSR | eidolarr: Usually I get a decent person on the 2nd call. |
| 04:32.19 | Aqua | DWSR, I go through their playbook and tell them what i've done of it, and then say lets get to what you can do for me |
| 04:32.35 | DWSR | Aqua: I don't bother to go through the motions. |
| 04:32.43 | DWSR | I actually have an active case # at HP support. |
| 04:32.48 | Amarande | why do people make excuses to get out of jury duty though? :| |
| 04:32.51 | DWSR | That I use for all my case numbers. |
| 04:32.51 | Arrowmaster | i tried calling my isp to tell them one of their routers was overloaded during primetime for weeks |
| 04:32.56 | DWSR | Amarande: Because it pays like shit. |
| 04:32.56 | Arrowmaster | that did not go well |
| 04:32.56 | Aqua | rofl |
| 04:32.59 | Odlaw | because jury duty sucks? |
| 04:33.00 | Aqua | i like that |
| 04:33.11 | cbreak | Amarande: Facebook withdrawal symptoms? |
| 04:33.16 | eidolarr | lol when i called dell they shuffled me around for an hour with 2 mins of speech in between 10 min hold times, then the indian guy abruptly said "sorry i cannot help you" and hung up |
| 04:33.16 | Amarande | huh? usually you go to the courthouse for a couple hours and get dismissed |
| 04:33.22 | DWSR | Aqua: I reference that case number, and somewhere in there it probably has a note that says "DON'T USE THE PLAYBOOK" |
| 04:33.38 | DWSR | Aqua: Because whenever I call HP now, I don't go through that song and dance, and I usually don't have to go through *their* song and dance either. |
| 04:33.39 | Odlaw | i don't believe a person is guilty if i don't agree with the law. |
| 04:33.45 | Odlaw | done.. dismissed. |
| 04:34.01 | Amarande | heh, you know, I probably wouldn't make it past voir dire in a lot of types of case |
| 04:34.02 | Amarande | but meh |
| 04:34.12 | Amarande | I still go |
| 04:34.22 | Aqua | I used to get into some major pissing matches with Dell |
| 04:34.45 | eidolarr | there's no recourse |
| 04:34.58 | Arrowmaster | i got to a level 4 tech at gateway once many many years ago |
| 04:35.02 | Arrowmaster | yes a level 4 tech |
| 04:35.13 | cbreak | sounds like scientology |
| 04:35.23 | DWSR | Aqua: Whenever I get someone jerking me around with the playbook, I immediately ask to escalte the issue. |
| 04:35.27 | eidolarr | the best you can do is submit a complaint so another indian guy can say "we are taking this seriously but don't call back" |
| 04:35.38 | DWSR | escalate* |
| 04:36.36 | DWSR | My phone company doesn't fuck with me, now, I've noticed. |
| 04:36.57 | DWSR | The last half dozen calls to their CS department have been almost pleasant. |
| 04:37.19 | DWSR | Of course, calls to their billing department usually end with me asking for someone who speaks better English. |
| 04:37.37 | DWSR | But I'll take what I can get. |
| 04:38.04 | DWSR | [indian accent]"Oh hello, my name is George."[/indian accent] |
| 04:38.12 | Aqua | ya |
| 04:38.13 | Aqua | thats good |
| 04:38.27 | DWSR | "Ok Mohammed. Transfer me to someone who speaks English with a weaker accent" |
| 04:38.47 | DWSR | I've been pretty rude to some CS people. |
| 04:39.01 | Aqua | its more fun to manipulate them |
| 04:39.07 | DWSR | though, I'm an asshole to reps at Best Buy |
| 04:39.27 | Aqua | who isn't? |
| 04:39.28 | kd3 | mmm... chocolate cake + fudge |
| 04:39.29 | kd3 | yum |
| 04:39.48 | DWSR | "Hi, do you have this? And before you check the shelves, I already did and no, it's not there. If you'd like to go look again, I'll just go find another rep, which means that you don't make an commission off of this sale" |
| 04:40.06 | Aqua | since they aren't commission they don't care anyway.. |
| 04:40.13 | DWSR | At Best Buy I think they are. |
| 04:40.16 | Aqua | they aren't |
| 04:40.19 | DWSR | Heh. |
| 04:40.20 | Iriel | DWSR: You know, you come across as someone who doesn't think other people are worthy of any respect at all, that's not really cool. |
| 04:40.22 | Cairenn | nope |
| 04:40.32 | Aqua | <--- used to work there a while ago |
| 04:40.45 | DWSR | Iriel: I respect a lot of people. I don't respect a lot of people. |
| 04:40.45 | Arrowmaster | they still have to maintain a level of sales or they get fired |
| 04:40.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Lukian (~lukian@203.123.90.21) |
| 04:40.50 | eidolarr | Iriel: i thought that was all the rage on the internet |
| 04:41.05 | *** part/#wowuidev Lukian (~lukian@203.123.90.21) |
| 04:41.13 | Aqua | DWSR, hate hate relationsip? |
| 04:41.26 | DWSR | Iriel: These are lots of people that I have absolutely no love for. |
| 04:41.37 | DWSR | Aqua: More or less. |
| 04:42.23 | Amarande | Now, say, Cairenn, on the other hand, comes across as someone who is entirely cool and awesome and is both respecting of and respected by other people. :) |
| 04:42.24 | DWSR | Iriel: However, you seem to have glossed over the fact that I have been mentioning situations where I've dealt with people who have been reasonable, and that I prefaced this all by saying that I understand *why* these situations are the way that they are. |
| 04:42.40 | Shadowed | No Cairenn is pretty evil |
| 04:42.51 | DWSR | Cairenn is evil incarnate, imo. |
| 04:43.20 | Cairenn | I am many things to many people |
| 04:43.32 | DWSR | Oh, you would. :P |
| 04:44.06 | Amarande | DWSR: you just can't stand sweetness |
| 04:44.08 | Amarande | lemme guess |
| 04:44.11 | DWSR | Iriel: So rather than think of me as being entirely negative, let's just say that I'm....pessimistic about society? |
| 04:44.20 | Amarande | pictures of kittens make you jerk uncontrollably like you were being tased? :) |
| 04:44.30 | DWSR | Amarande: Have you seen my dog? |
| 04:44.35 | Amarande | no |
| 04:44.46 | Iriel | I dont fault you for assuming that you'll be let down by a CSR, but treating them like dirt isn't a solution |
| 04:45.36 | DWSR | Iriel: There's a difference between treating them like dirt and treating them like dirt after I explain the situation. |
| 04:45.54 | DWSR | Iriel: Though, I'm universally prejuidiced to Best Buy CSR. |
| 04:45.56 | DWSR | CSRs* |
| 04:46.01 | DWSR | And that I'll wholly admit to. |
| 04:46.28 | DWSR | Amarande: http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v57/136/85/506115371/n506115371_10254_1636.jpg |
| 04:46.55 | Shadowed | You get more for being nice than you do for being an asshole most of the time |
| 04:47.09 | DWSR | Shadowed: lulz, good thing you didn't go for the bees analogy. |
| 04:47.28 | Amarande | DWSR: does that creature even have a face, or is it just a ball of fur, like a giant Tribble? :D |
| 04:47.37 | DWSR | Amarande: Yep. |
| 04:47.49 | DWSR | Amarande: His hair's really curly, so when his hair gets long his eyes disappear. |
| 04:47.56 | DWSR | Not to mention that his eyes are black anyway. |
| 04:47.56 | Amarande | I think I make out two round spots that look like eyes, but that's about it :) |
| 04:48.01 | DWSR | But yeah, cutest little dog evar. |
| 04:48.50 | DWSR | ~seen Dagmar |
| 04:48.52 | purl | dagmar is currently on #wowuidev (18h 56m 25s). Has said a total of 134 messages. Is idling for 31m 43s, last said: 'You won't get "lossless" of the "perfect" kind without a wholly analog recording'. |
| 04:49.03 | DWSR | Dagmar: Spinback OK for dance music? |
| 04:49.34 | DWSR | Amarande: Yeah, they are his eyes. |
| 04:49.53 | DWSR | Amarande, he's such a well behaved dog as well. |
| 04:50.22 | DWSR | We thought that he didn't have a voice for the first 3 weeks. He's so quiet. Only time he barks is when he needs something like food or water, or there's someone at the door. |
| 04:50.45 | DWSR | He's such a smart dog too, he barks *in front of the sink* for water and *in front of the cupboard* for food. |
| 04:50.50 | DWSR | Not just at his bowl. |
| 04:50.51 | Dagmar | dwsr: You mean a backspin? yeah |
| 04:51.15 | Dagmar | It's something you don't wanna do a lot of because it then kinda says to other DJs "this guy can't find rekkids that mesh well" |
| 04:51.25 | DWSR | mhm. |
| 04:51.39 | DWSR | I just want a way to end the outro of a track suddenly. |
| 04:51.44 | Dagmar | It's part of the reason I like my PT-2000's |
| 04:51.50 | DWSR | It's like this really long as decaying verb. |
| 04:51.51 | Dagmar | They have a *slightly* slower stop/start time |
| 04:52.03 | DWSR | s/as/ass/ |
| 04:52.05 | Dagmar | er than Techniq 1200mkIIs |
| 04:52.15 | DWSR | Technic 1200 lulz. |
| 04:52.23 | DWSR | You seen what the Guide to Electronic Music says about those? |
| 04:52.25 | Amarande | DWSR: you know, given your harshness so much of the time |
| 04:52.29 | Dagmar | So like, powerkills (smacking the power button on the table) and backspins get a more robust sound |
| 04:52.32 | Amarande | you're about the last person I expected to own a cute little doggie. |
| 04:52.38 | Dagmar | dwsr: Probably overpriced starter tables |
| 04:52.49 | DWSR | Dagmar: Nah, it's much more epic than that. |
| 04:52.52 | DWSR | I'll copypasta, sec. |
| 04:53.57 | Dagmar | I know one night I wound up using someone's Vestax and everyone at the party heard me use naughtly language |
| 04:54.15 | DWSR | http://wowi.pastey.net/132876 |
| 04:54.20 | Dagmar | I went for a powerkill to change over and much to my surprise it literally slammed hte brakes on that table |
| 04:54.26 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 04:54.36 | DWSR | I love powerkilling. |
| 04:54.40 | DWSR | It just like...sorta works |
| 04:54.49 | Dagmar | I agree with that review |
| 04:54.51 | DWSR | It's like WEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODUN |
| 04:54.58 | Dagmar | The things are hard to break, and reasonably easy to work on |
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| 04:55.33 | Dagmar | Yeah until you get a table with really aggressive braking |
| 04:55.39 | DWSR | uhuh |
| 04:55.41 | Dagmar | There was a switch I didn't know about. hehe |
| 04:55.54 | DWSR | Fuck. I don't know how I'm going to do a backspin with fuckign Ableton. |
| 04:56.02 | Dagmar | I hit the button and it shut down in well, the advertised stop time of about 1/25th of a second |
| 04:56.20 | DWSR | *fhoosh* |
| 04:56.23 | DWSR | Fuck. |
| 04:56.39 | Dagmar | ...which meant the tune disappeared a full beat early leaving this unpleasant silence, interrupted by me saying "F**K" |
| 04:57.09 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 04:57.18 | DWSR | Actually. |
| 04:57.18 | Dagmar | It wasn't even a "*fhoosh*" |
| 04:57.22 | DWSR | If it was approximately a beat. |
| 04:57.25 | DWSR | You could have just gone with it. |
| 04:57.37 | DWSR | Not even said anythign |
| 04:57.38 | Dagmar | Nope. I was planning on spinning up the other record slowly |
| 04:57.43 | DWSR | ah. |
| 04:57.46 | DWSR | Yeah, that doesn't work |
| 04:57.48 | Dagmar | So like, I didn't have time to get my hand there |
| 04:57.50 | Dagmar | heh |
| 04:58.00 | DWSR | Heh, you were wasted. |
| 04:58.05 | DWSR | Blame it on the goose. |
| 04:58.08 | Dagmar | No, actually I DJ sober |
| 04:58.09 | DWSR | got you feelin loose |
| 04:58.23 | Dagmar | Hell I've done sets standing on one leg before |
| 04:58.29 | Dagmar | Not by choice mind you |
| 04:58.31 | DWSR | You're whacked. |
| 04:58.36 | DWSR | lulz, have to hear this. |
| 04:58.39 | DWSR | ~Dagmar++ |
| 04:58.42 | Dagmar | I'd dislocated my left knee about an hour before |
| 04:58.47 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 04:59.05 | Amarande | you know, on the copyright suit front, why don't they just do away with the whole 'statutory damages' bit and require plaintiffs to demonstrate and request a concrete amount of *actual* damages instead? |
| 04:59.10 | Dagmar | You know the "big pants" trick where you turn your feet, hidden under the pants, so that you can bend your knees to the left or right and it looks like your knees just bend ot the side? |
| 04:59.23 | DWSR | Amarande: Because that affects more cases than just RIAA suits? |
| 04:59.23 | Dagmar | Amarande: Because that would be a much smaller amount of money |
| 04:59.30 | DWSR | Dagmar: mhm. |
| 04:59.39 | Amarande | so, why should the law help plaintiffs get rich :) |
| 04:59.46 | Dagmar | dwsr: Well, I was doing that, and my left sneaker kinda stuck and didn't turn because I was momentarily distracted |
| 05:00.06 | Dagmar | So like, instead of just looking like my knee bent to the right, I heard this weird noise like a lightbulb being dropped in a sink |
| 05:00.10 | Amarande | Or is the idea that because the Constitution favors accused parties so heavily, the law should be designed as a counterweight and thus favor the accusing party more than otherwise? |
| 05:00.18 | Amarande | Otherwise, defendants run away with the farm? |
| 05:00.55 | Amarande | AKA: "We the founding fathers gave you your request to have a court system that favors you, so now we need to make the punishments harsher to compensate for the greater difficulty of getting a judgment against you?" |
| 05:01.03 | Dagmar | dwsr: I looked down and my left leg, my _weight-bearing_ leg was bent about 60 degrees |
| 05:01.10 | DWSR | ouch |
| 05:01.17 | Amarande | Dagmar: Yow. |
| 05:01.37 | Dagmar | dwsr: It was all I could do to kind of whip my upper body around to get the weight off it and land kind of spinning aound |
| 05:01.58 | Amarande | Dagmar, you shouldn't ab00se yourself like that |
| 05:02.01 | Dagmar | Yeah unfortunately for me, many people thought this was just some fabulous thing I knew how to do |
| 05:02.12 | DWSR | LULZ. |
| 05:02.14 | DWSR | http://is.gd/8cSan |
| 05:02.15 | Amarande | ooh, it's midnight. xkcd time. |
| 05:02.25 | Dagmar | It took me a moment to realize the shock of it had rendered my entire left leg from the hip down immobile |
| 05:02.32 | Dagmar | I literally could not get up |
| 05:02.50 | DWSR | http://is.gd/8cSan <-- Deadmau5 playing at a local club. This was him after an Encore at 4am. |
| 05:02.51 | Dagmar | Dude I hollered out "I need a hand" and got applause |
| 05:02.56 | DWSR | LULZ |
| 05:03.04 | Dagmar | Yeah both hands on the face time there. |
| 05:03.06 | Amarande | haha, new xkcd is awesome |
| 05:03.16 | Dagmar | I was like "No! No! I'm really injured and can't get up. HALP!" |
| 05:03.47 | Dagmar | I got control of the hip back about 5 minutes later, and the knee onward took another 10 |
| 05:04.01 | Dagmar | I was freaking out for a bit there |
| 05:04.01 | shifuimam | well THIS sucks |
| 05:04.07 | Amarande | tends to have a rather lukewarm attitude when it comes to the design of law ... I'd probably make a terrible world leader |
| 05:04.09 | shifuimam | one of the client updates in the last four days has removed support for print() |
| 05:04.12 | Amarande | let's just put it this way |
| 05:04.27 | Amarande | I have a good sense of ethics and a good notion of when something is a shitty thing to have happen to you |
| 05:04.31 | DWSR | Dagmar: Hehe, that picture was from a good night. |
| 05:04.39 | Dagmar | The whole time I'm outside cooling off and assessing damage and people are trying to call an ambulance for me and I'm like "NO! I HAVE TO SPIN IN TWENTY MINUTES!" |
| 05:04.40 | DWSR | I love that big red mouse head. |
| 05:04.50 | Amarande | but I tend to also be extremely laid-back and soft, and thus not be very inclined to support rules that actually advocate harsh punishments in line with said shittiness :S |
| 05:04.52 | DWSR | Dagmar: Dedication, imo. |
| 05:04.56 | shifuimam | nowi have to go back and patch old addons. wtf. |
| 05:05.19 | Amarande | apparently, laid-back is never a suitable way to run a community :| |
| 05:05.28 | Dagmar | dwsr: Yeah I did that set standing on my right leg because the left one wasn't going to hold my weight |
| 05:05.52 | Dagmar | Damnit I flew all the way from TN to San Fran for that party, I was *going* to spin |
| 05:06.02 | Amarande | it would probably lead to a distinctly dissatisfying form of laissez-faire communism. heh. |
| 05:07.33 | DWSR | Dagmar: :) |
| 05:07.59 | Amarande | I also tend to not very well equate "boo-hoo I can't make money" with its proper economic survival equivalent, which is "boo-hoo, someone slashed open my arteries and now I can't get blood anywhere in my body without it leaking out" |
| 05:08.28 | Amarande | probably because I tend to try to refuse to bow to God Money. LOL |
| 05:11.20 | Amarande | is probably a fool. |
| 05:11.27 | Dagmar | No. |
| 05:11.37 | Dagmar | You probably just have a concience. |
| 05:12.06 | Dagmar | ...which is what (along with morals) separates non-psychopathic humans from corporate entities./ |
| 05:12.16 | DWSR | morales* |
| 05:12.20 | DWSR | actually, nevermind |
| 05:12.31 | DWSR | You're right |
| 05:12.53 | DWSR | Ah, solved my little backspin problem. |
| 05:12.59 | DWSR | In a way that seems, more better |
| 05:14.06 | kd3 | whee |
| 05:14.07 | Amarande | DWSR: Indeed, we're speaking English here. :) |
| 05:14.09 | kd3 | realm downtime |
| 05:14.11 | Amarande | Morales is Spanish, I believe. |
| 05:14.21 | Dagmar | DWSR: Good stuff. |
| 05:14.24 | DWSR | Amarande: Morale* |
| 05:14.29 | DWSR | Is an English word. |
| 05:14.39 | DWSR | Dagmar: Good old gating. |
| 05:14.47 | DWSR | I CAN HAS STUTTUTUTTUTUTTERR |
| 05:15.02 | Dagmar | heheheh |
| 05:15.09 | DWSR | Probably equally as cop-out-ish. |
| 05:15.10 | DWSR | However. |
| 05:15.15 | Dagmar | Yeah being able to backspin and so forth is what really held up Final Scratch |
| 05:15.18 | DWSR | dilligaf |
| 05:15.27 | Dagmar | mp3's don't change acoustics much when you rapidly rewind them |
| 05:15.31 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 05:15.34 | DWSR | Neither do FLACs. |
| 05:15.37 | Dagmar | Needles, on the other hand, HUGE change |
| 05:15.48 | DWSR | also, running FLACs in reverse sometimes has AWESOMENESS. |
| 05:15.55 | Dagmar | I had duct tape. |
| 05:16.09 | Dagmar | People look at you like you've lost your mind if they've never seen it before. |
| 05:16.30 | kd3 | backwards flacs? |
| 05:16.32 | kd3 | ponders |
| 05:16.34 | Dagmar | Getcha a brand new roll of duct tape. Lay that baby right smack on the middle of the table |
| 05:16.35 | DWSR | What? Duct taping needles down? |
| 05:16.43 | DWSR | Ah, yeah. |
| 05:16.56 | DWSR | Since I just have control vinyl, I don't use the counterweights on my tone arms. |
| 05:17.02 | Dagmar | Take the counterweight off the armature, take the headshell off the armature. Put them both back on upside down. |
| 05:17.04 | DWSR | tears the shit out of the vinyl, but idgaf. |
| 05:17.10 | DWSR | Mhm. |
| 05:17.19 | DWSR | My dad saw that he was like WTF? |
| 05:17.35 | Dagmar | Put the stylus *under* the record, facing up. |
| 05:17.38 | Dagmar | It plays backwards/. |
| 05:17.46 | DWSR | hehe |
| 05:17.57 | Dagmar | Nowadays f**kers with Vestax just move the arm and push the "REVERSE" button. |
| 05:17.59 | Dagmar | Dirty cheaters. |
| 05:18.01 | Dagmar | heh |
| 05:18.08 | DWSR | hehe |
| 05:18.15 | DWSR | I have a reverse on my tables as well. |
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| 05:18.51 | Dagmar | Two copies of hte same record leads to a _really_ sneaky trick |
| 05:19.32 | Amarande | Hmm. |
| 05:19.33 | Amarande | " â[e]ven for uninjurious and unprofitable |
| 05:19.33 | Amarande | invasions of copyright the court may, if it deems it just, impose a liability within statutory limits |
| 05:19.33 | Amarande | to sanction and vindicate the statutory policy.â |
| 05:19.33 | Amarande | " |
| 05:19.40 | Dagmar | It's stupidly easy to sync them up that way at least |
| 05:19.47 | Amarande | In other words: It is better to impose a penalty that is unjust, than a penalty that might undermine the rule of law? |
| 05:19.56 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah a bit silly |
| 05:19.58 | Amarande | That seems ... unjust. |
| 05:20.07 | Dagmar | Somewhat directly in opposition to the way criminal cases are handled, too |
| 05:20.13 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 05:20.21 | Amarande | How bad could it be if the rule of law was undermined for the sake of justice? |
| 05:20.42 | Dagmar | Dunno. |
| 05:20.52 | Dagmar | Civil cases rarely put anyone to death. |
| 05:21.22 | shifuimam | ok question time. i have a function that is SUPPOSED to be running when OnShow() happens for a specific frame...except that it's not |
| 05:21.33 | Amarande | You mean other than forcing them to starve to death because they cannot even buy a loaf of bread, for as soon as they get that $3.39 they must give it to the government to continue to pay their judgment debt? |
| 05:21.36 | shifuimam | the first part of it is (it prints a debug message), but it's not doing the rest of it - which is resizing its parent frame |
| 05:21.49 | DWSR | Dagmar: You ever use Ableton Live? |
| 05:22.01 | eidolarr | shifuimam: do you know that it completes the function, or is it aborting? do prints at the end execute? |
| 05:22.14 | shifuimam | eidolarr: good question |
| 05:22.20 | Amarande | Actually, what does happen to people who have inadequate funds to pay their judgment (as probably is the case in most of these RIAA cases)? |
| 05:22.36 | eidolarr | they bargain it down to all they can afford usually |
| 05:22.45 | eidolarr | "afford" including going into debt |
| 05:23.10 | eidolarr | the music industry cares more about making an example than the actual payment |
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| 05:23.25 | Amarande | so basically, the trick for music pirates is to have no money and not have a home or any credit card accounts then heh |
| 05:23.38 | DWSR | eidolarr: Which ought to show people that they don't really deserve 6500x their actual damages. |
| 05:23.47 | Amarande | unless of course part of the judgment is to be forced to apply for and receive every credit card you are able to be accepted for, so that you can max it out for the plaintiff :) |
| 05:23.51 | shifuimam | eidolarr: yep. the entire function is completing |
| 05:24.00 | shifuimam | debug messages at beginning and end, it's just the resize part that isn't happening |
| 05:24.06 | shifuimam | if i call the resize function manually, it works fine. |
| 05:24.31 | eidolarr | shifuimam: have you checked the wiki page on the resize function to see what might cause it to break? what happens if you call the onshow handler manually? |
| 05:24.44 | DWSR | Dagmar: Also, how long do you spin for in a night? 2h? |
| 05:24.58 | shifuimam | eidolarr: you mean like if i do Frame:show()? |
| 05:25.13 | eidolarr | DWSR: not an unusual tactic, I have a professor who does the same; the philosophy is that you can't possibly catch everyone, or even a significant portion, so you make the punishment for being one of the few extremely severe to compensate |
| 05:25.24 | DWSR | eidolarr: No. |
| 05:25.25 | shifuimam | and i'm using RoM not wow, so the documentation for the API is sorely, sorely lacking in content |
| 05:25.26 | eidolarr | shifuimam: like if you do frame:GetScript("OnShow")() |
| 05:25.49 | DWSR | eidolarr: That's a shit philosophy. |
| 05:25.54 | DWSR | All it does is encourage people to be more sneaky. |
| 05:26.00 | shifuimam | eidolarr: GetScript appears to not be supported |
| 05:26.04 | eidolarr | it works much better for a professor than for a major company |
| 05:26.09 | shifuimam | by RoM |
| 05:26.11 | Amarande | Not to mention the REAL victims don't get shit. |
| 05:26.14 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 05:26.16 | eidolarr | shifuimam: i don't know what RoM is =( |
| 05:26.20 | DWSR | Runes of Magic. |
| 05:26.29 | shifuimam | Runes of Magic. it uses the same addon constructs as WoW, although the API is slightly different sometimes. |
| 05:26.30 | eidolarr | DWSR: i don't know what runes of magic is =( |
| 05:26.32 | Amarande | The real victims, of course, being the people that the RIAA companies lay off from their jobs in response to the alleged losses |
| 05:26.39 | DWSR | eidolarr: MMORPG. |
| 05:26.39 | shifuimam | eidolarr: f2p/p4p MMORPG from taiwan |
| 05:26.43 | Amarande | Since they no longer work for the plaintiff companies, they don't get jack from the settlement ... |
| 05:27.08 | Amarande | Even though they're the only ones who are really affected, since the RIAA companies of course don't take any of the perceived losses out of say, CEO bonuses :P |
| 05:27.13 | eidolarr | how did you attach the handler? |
| 05:27.30 | eidolarr | xml or setscript? |
| 05:27.32 | shifuimam | XML |
| 05:27.38 | Amarande | No wonder they set their estimated damages so high. You get a nice 1-2 that way. |
| 05:27.49 | eidolarr | why don't you try setscripting it so that you can refer to the function directly for testing? |
| 05:27.57 | shifuimam | it's so fracking weird. if i manually hide my widget on this frame (it's a native client frame) and manually show it, it works |
| 05:28.01 | Amarande | You front-load a nice load of extra income by having an excuse to lay off a whole load of workers who probably aren't doing much but playing FreeCell and browsing the web in their cubicles anyway. |
| 05:28.02 | shifuimam | it's just when it's auto-showing when the parent frame shows that it's not working |
| 05:28.13 | Amarande | Then you get that money in ACTUAL extra income from the suit. |
| 05:28.17 | shifuimam | eidolarr: i'm not certain that setscript is supported |
| 05:28.17 | eidolarr | maybe resizing requries a hardware event? |
| 05:28.20 | shifuimam | can you give an example? |
| 05:28.45 | Amarande | CEOs can probably triple their bonus doing that. |
| 05:28.47 | eidolarr | sure, like function onshow() print("blah") end |
| 05:28.48 | shifuimam | eidolarr: nope, cause i can resize it with my function just fine UNLESS i'm trying to call the function automatically when the parent frame's Show() is triggered |
| 05:28.56 | eidolarr | frame:SetScript("OnShow", onshow) |
| 05:29.20 | shifuimam | eidolarr: SetScript isn't supported in RoM |
| 05:29.41 | eidolarr | oh i thuoght you were asking for an example |
| 05:29.48 | shifuimam | i was. i just tried it :) |
| 05:29.53 | eidolarr | ah |
| 05:30.20 | *** join/#wowuidev truedego (kvirc@cpe-065-184-025-218.carolina.res.rr.com) |
| 05:30.31 | eidolarr | sounds like fun undocumented api behavior, your best bet is google or else hours of trial and error |
| 05:30.38 | Dagmar | Amarande: It's pretty widely noted that they regularly report losses in conjunction with record sales highs |
| 05:30.53 | Dagmar | Just to make sure everyone still knows they're somehow losing tons of money even in a banner year |
| 05:30.56 | DWSR | Dagmar: Meaning they're really fucking around. |
| 05:31.07 | truedego | question, how would i grab the name of the player currently being played? |
| 05:31.07 | Dagmar | Yes, but I thought we knew that |
| 05:31.15 | shifuimam | this is just so freakin' bizarre |
| 05:31.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: Oh, I didn't know that. ;) |
| 05:31.27 | eidolarr | truedego: UnitName("player") |
| 05:31.28 | DWSR | truedego: I don't want you to know my name. |
| 05:31.34 | truedego | lol |
| 05:31.41 | DWSR | truedego: If you're looking for the current character's name, what eidolarr said. |
| 05:32.07 | truedego | so if name == UnitPlayer("player") would be correct? |
| 05:32.10 | shifuimam | i wasn't really planning on releasing this addon, so i guess i can just make a macro to call the resize script |
| 05:32.29 | truedego | err unitname |
| 05:32.30 | DWSR | truedego if "name" == UnitPlayer("player") then ..... end |
| 05:32.33 | eidolarr | it would be correct though you should probably cache the plaeyr name or something |
| 05:32.35 | DWSR | err, UnitName* |
| 05:32.51 | truedego | sweet |
| 05:33.01 | DWSR | quotes are sorta important. |
| 05:33.18 | truedego | i grabbed the names from a differnt call |
| 05:33.19 | eidolarr | no |
| 05:33.19 | Amarande | Dagmar: Oh, I'm not even thinking of the sales high bit. I'm thinking that if you can claim you're losing money, you can use it both to claim to need to lay off workers, AND to do an appropriate lawsuit, so by whining to mommy that you lost X you end up profiting 2X. |
| 05:33.32 | eidolarr | the quotes don't go there unless you literally want to compare the player's name with the word name |
| 05:33.59 | DWSR | eidolarr: You need to quote the string, else it's a literal. |
| 05:34.03 | eidolarr | and since names are capitalized it wouldn't make much sense |
| 05:34.08 | eidolarr | you have it backwards |
| 05:34.16 | eidolarr | in lua string literals are indicated by quotes |
| 05:34.23 | Dagmar | Amarande: Frankly I'm thinking people should just swear off buying any CDs for a whole month, just to protest the current situation |
| 05:34.52 | DWSR | Dagmar: I do that....doesn't mean I stop getting new music. |
| 05:34.56 | DWSR | BTW, Beatport's such a shit site. |
| 05:35.02 | truedego | DWSR: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/132818, line 11 is where i grabbed it, this was last nights version |
| 05:35.03 | Dagmar | ...because they *should* be cutting people a break on the price of MP3s, and they're using it to try and raise prices further. |
| 05:35.04 | DWSR | Who designed this piece of garbage, seriously? |
| 05:35.21 | Dagmar | Technological advances should benefit *more* than just the producers in a market |
| 05:35.28 | DWSR | truedego: if name == UnitName("player") then |
| 05:35.35 | truedego | cpoy |
| 05:35.37 | truedego | copy |
| 05:35.40 | truedego | errr |
| 05:35.46 | eidolarr | that's correct |
| 05:35.59 | DWSR | eidolarr: I understood what you were saying. |
| 05:36.05 | Dagmar | Both the record and the book-publishing industry desperately need to get that hint. |
| 05:36.07 | DWSR | eidolarr: I thought he was just trying to compare a literal. |
| 05:36.09 | DWSR | Not a variable. |
| 05:36.13 | DWSR | name is ambiguous. |
| 05:36.42 | eidolarr | yeah i figured you just threw me when you said "you need to quote the string else it's a literal" |
| 05:36.47 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 05:36.50 | DWSR | Sorry |
| 05:36.50 | Dagmar | But hey, it's clear neither industry is really interested in adapting to changing technologies and surviving |
| 05:36.56 | DWSR | Dagmar: Mhm. |
| 05:37.09 | Amarande | Dagmar: the book publishing industry still hasn't gotten out of the price fixing corner |
| 05:37.19 | DWSR | Amarande: Neither has the music industry... |
| 05:37.22 | Amarande | publishers pretty much make sure all their retailers have the same list price for a book |
| 05:37.34 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah I've gotten some people really, really pissed at me for busting their chops about ebook prices |
| 05:37.40 | Amarande | notice that amazon, say, has to advertise it as being a discount price rather than it just being their amazon price like is really the case |
| 05:37.58 | Dagmar | Their biggest cost isn't advertising, it's the price of printing, shipping, and storing hte damn books. |
| 05:38.05 | DWSR | mhm. |
| 05:38.11 | Amarande | and Apple is apparently leveraging publishers to push the price of Kindle books up so that Kindle doesn't outcompete the iPad bookstore out of hand |
| 05:38.14 | DWSR | Since they're so bulky (comparatively) |
| 05:38.30 | Dagmar | Not to mention flammable |
| 05:38.34 | DWSR | Dagmar: Which is why I lulz really hard at being charged $18 for a CD. |
| 05:38.47 | Amarande | And if you sign up for a distribution package at Lulu, you are forced to sell your book via them for the same price that the bookstores are charging |
| 05:38.48 | DWSR | And then why I lulz when it's like $15 or $16 online. |
| 05:38.51 | DWSR | I'm like....really? |
| 05:39.07 | DWSR | online being in digital download. |
| 05:39.10 | Dagmar | Some publishers are really pissed about Amazon fixing prices on new books at a that max of just under ten bucks |
| 05:39.18 | Dagmar | They really need to stop being stupid. |
| 05:39.30 | DWSR | The movie industry. |
| 05:39.31 | Dagmar | it costs literally *nothing* to "print" an electronic book. |
| 05:39.36 | DWSR | I like them. |
| 05:39.45 | DWSR | The whole "digital download" thing on discs now? |
| 05:39.47 | DWSR | Hell yes. |
| 05:40.05 | Amarande | Why aren't regulators stepping in to deal with price fixing like the antitrust acts are supposed to allow for? |
| 05:40.06 | Dagmar | DWSR: Oh you mean the discs with the movie pre-ripped and encoded on it? |
| 05:40.08 | DWSR | Make it easier to copy your CDs without all the shitty subtitles? |
| 05:40.13 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah. |
| 05:40.20 | Amarande | Or has the government decided that price fixing is a GOOD thing |
| 05:40.27 | DWSR | Dagmar: Seems like the MPAA is pretty much saying "Fuck it. Here you go" |
| 05:40.35 | Dagmar | dwsr: I've only gotten one of those, and didn't even look at whether or not it had DRM on it. I just assumed it did |
| 05:40.42 | Amarande | because of the disasters that occurred in places like the airline industry and retail when competition led to price war which led to no-one being able to charge enough to stay afloat? |
| 05:40.45 | DWSR | Dagmar: DRM lasts all of about 10 seconds. |
| 05:40.49 | Dagmar | Oh you mean *music* CDs |
| 05:41.08 | DWSR | No, I meant movie CDs. |
| 05:41.12 | DWSR | All a DVD is is a CD. |
| 05:41.17 | Amarande | IIRC, airlines went under because of exactly that, and retailers other than Wal-Mart, Target, and the like are in danger of a similar fate. |
| 05:41.22 | Dagmar | Amarande: Because clearly these companies can't run well enough to compete fairly |
| 05:41.36 | Dagmar | If they could, they woudln't have been pricing themselves to death. |
| 05:41.48 | Amarande | I have to wonder if the anti-monopolist ideals of 1900 are no longer viable in a world with much higher costs. |
| 05:41.49 | DWSR | Wal-Mart's smart. |
| 05:41.59 | DWSR | They run with minimal overhead. |
| 05:42.08 | Dagmar | I look at it this way |
| 05:42.17 | DWSR | That's (part of) why they do so well. |
| 05:42.25 | Amarande | If now monopolies are needed so that producers can charge high enough prices without being cockblocked by competition |
| 05:42.30 | Dagmar | If the company can't afford to sell a seat for $X, then maybe they SHOULDN'T sell it for less than that. |
| 05:42.33 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~Ryan@c-76-107-191-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 05:42.47 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 05:42.48 | Amarande | Dagmar: the problem arises when a company with less overhead sells their seats for less than that |
| 05:42.56 | DWSR | Amarande: That's not a problem, though |
| 05:43.05 | Dagmar | ...instead of screwing around and trying to charge people $8 to rent a pillow, and $5 to rent some spectacularly crap headphones |
| 05:43.05 | DWSR | That's competition. It's inherent in captialism. |
| 05:43.08 | Amarande | and now the first company can't sell seats at a rate *it* can afford, because everyone will then go with the competitor |
| 05:43.22 | DWSR | Amarande: Capitalism at its finest. |
| 05:43.24 | Dagmar | Amarande: no, the problem stemmed from them selling seats for less than they could afford to |
| 05:43.24 | DWSR | The consumer wins. |
| 05:43.34 | Amarande | Dagmar: which in turn stemmed from unchecked price war? |
| 05:43.38 | Dagmar | Everyone _can't_ go with the competitor |
| 05:43.43 | shifuimam | is there a way to auto-resize a frame to the size of its contents? |
| 05:43.44 | Dagmar | There's not enough seats, for one thing. |
| 05:43.48 | Amarande | Once one company did it, the others were pretty much forced to do it. |
| 05:43.54 | Dagmar | They're actually not. |
| 05:43.56 | DWSR | Amarande: You seem to be looking at price wars as a bad thing. they're good. |
| 05:44.16 | DWSR | Amarande: that's not true. If it was, you'd see the Gap and Gucci jeans on for the same price. |
| 05:44.17 | DWSR | They're not. |
| 05:44.18 | Amarande | DWSR: good and bad. |
| 05:44.19 | Dagmar | I used to actually work at a high-volume travel agency. I made disgusting amounts of money in bonuses each month. |
| 05:44.27 | Dagmar | if there was a seat on ANY airline, I could find it |
| 05:44.34 | Amarande | they foster trade competition, but also make it difficult for anyone who needs a high overhead to compete |
| 05:44.46 | Amarande | which in turn forces companies to cut their overhead, and leads in turn to job losses |
| 05:44.49 | DWSR | Amarande: People who need high overheads aren't competive, by definitions. |
| 05:44.52 | DWSR | definition* |
| 05:44.57 | DWSR | competetive* |
| 05:45.00 | Dagmar | The fare wars introduced me to "chronic fatigue syndrome" |
| 05:45.20 | DWSR | Amarande: Yes, and? |
| 05:45.27 | Dagmar | Amarande: DWSR has pretty much put his finger on it |
| 05:45.30 | DWSR | You say this, again, like it's a bad thing. |
| 05:45.36 | DWSR | It's not. |
| 05:45.41 | Amarande | DWSR: job losses lead us to having to eventually pay out more taxes so we can give those guys their food stamps? |
| 05:45.44 | DWSR | This is the way that capitalism works. |
| 05:45.46 | Dagmar | Fat, inefficient companies will lose against leaner, more efficient companies |
| 05:45.57 | DWSR | If you don't like the system, don't subscribe. Move to China or North Korea. |
| 05:46.06 | Dagmar | ...but they all got panicky and decided it would be a smart thing to start selling tickets for LESS than the cost of shipping someone's butt around |
| 05:46.07 | eidolarr | lol] |
| 05:46.13 | eidolarr | wow |
| 05:46.15 | Amarande | Dagmar: until you eventually can't find anything for sale that isn't utterly boring and spartan because it's too expensive to produce anything you might actually *want* ... |
| 05:46.17 | eidolarr | false dichotomy much |
| 05:46.22 | DWSR | You're complaining about the design of the economy of the country that you're living in. It's an inherently bad argument. |
| 05:46.46 | Amarande | Generally, if you have higher overhead, it's because you're spending it to make a higher quality product. |
| 05:46.48 | Dagmar | Amarande: So again I point out, it doens't really matter. There's a limited number of seats, because there's a limited number of planes. |
| 05:46.58 | Amarande | The result of price war is that higher quality products get shoved out in favor of cheaper products. |
| 05:47.03 | Dagmar | Once the "cheaper" vendor is all sold out, you get what's left. |
| 05:47.06 | DWSR | Amarande: And if the consumer deems that your product is worth the extra expense, then you can compete that way. |
| 05:47.07 | Amarande | Which is why your Warhammer figurines are no longer quality metal, but cheap Chinese plastic. |
| 05:47.30 | Dagmar | AA is miles above Southwest in comfort |
| 05:47.30 | DWSR | Amarande: However, you're not directly competing with the cheaper brands anymore. |
| 05:47.38 | Amarande | Which is why your video games are stale and formulaic, and why WoW is always being simplified for the casuals. |
| 05:47.50 | eidolarr | o lord here we go |
| 05:47.56 | eidolarr | fuckin casuals |
| 05:47.59 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 05:48.02 | DWSR | That's a different argument. |
| 05:48.12 | DWSR | Amarande: Saying that "companies with higher overhead can't compete" is garbage. |
| 05:48.15 | Dagmar | eidolarr: It wouldn't be such a big deal if the dichotomy weren't this massive split |
| 05:48.18 | DWSR | There's examples of how that's not true. |
| 05:48.29 | Dagmar | On one hand you have raiders, needing to dedicate multiple nights a week |
| 05:48.30 | Amarande | DWSR: not really, I presume the reason Blizzard is streamlining stats is so that casual players are happier with the game, which directly translates to more ongoing customers |
| 05:48.33 | DWSR | Amarande: Companies with higher overhead making the same quality product can't compete" |
| 05:48.35 | eidolarr | Dagmar: i don't follow |
| 05:48.37 | Amarande | which is the purpose of a business of that sort. |
| 05:48.48 | eidolarr | Dagmar: oh an analogy ok |
| 05:48.49 | Dagmar | ...and then you have everyone else with a full life who can maybe throw in like that a couple of nights a *month* |
| 05:48.58 | kd3 | Amarande, not really. they're simplifying stats because it shouldn't take spreadsheets to figure out what's better |
| 05:48.59 | DWSR | Amarande: Companies with higher overhead making a higher quality product can compete, they compete on a different level. |
| 05:49.04 | DWSR | kd3: I disagree. |
| 05:49.14 | DWSR | But we won't get into that. |
| 05:49.14 | Amarande | DWSR: depends. |
| 05:49.16 | Dagmar | eidolarr: if raiding didn't have a pretty *huge* minimum time investment, there wouldn't be such a problem |
| 05:49.23 | DWSR | Amarande: There's no depends about this. |
| 05:49.23 | eidolarr | they are streamlining stats because the stats system has become clumsy |
| 05:49.31 | Amarande | In many industries, it seems like you compete by consistently ratcheting down your product quality, so that you can invest the money into the marketing campaign instead. |
| 05:49.35 | eidolarr | Dagmar: i was actually talking about the "don't like it? move to north korea" dichotomy |
| 05:49.37 | Dagmar | "clumsy" == massive overstatement |
| 05:49.38 | eidolarr | i agree with you |
| 05:49.42 | Amarande | This is why we have so much crappy music and meh video game content now. |
| 05:49.52 | eidolarr | alright, but at least redundant |
| 05:49.54 | DWSR | Amarande: You either compete on the quality or the price of a product. |
| 05:50.05 | eidolarr | spellpower is a redundant statistic, ap is a redundant statistic |
| 05:50.12 | Dagmar | If you've flown a lot, if you were given the choice between American Airlines and United Airlines, you wouldn't care how much cheaper United was |
| 05:50.15 | Amarande | DWSR: and in video games, the price is fixed, so it all boils down to quality |
| 05:50.15 | DWSR | If you're offering a better product for more money, then you can compete. |
| 05:50.17 | Amarande | or rather, and here's the rub |
| 05:50.20 | Dagmar | You'd kick someone in the nuts for even suggesting you fly on United. |
| 05:50.24 | Amarande | *what you can convince customers that the quality is* |
| 05:50.29 | Dagmar | ...because they are freaking *horrible* |
| 05:50.33 | Amarande | Hence WHY you make a crappier product and market it better. |
| 05:50.41 | DWSR | Amarande: Yeah, it's called inferior goods. |
| 05:50.43 | Amarande | Because if you actually invest into making a better product, you have less money to convince people it is indeed better. |
| 05:50.49 | DWSR | Amarande: You'll notice that the economy had a problem. |
| 05:50.58 | Amarande | And then people buy the crappy game with the glitzy graphics and big full spread ads. |
| 05:50.59 | Dagmar | If you have flown on Southwest, congratulations, you now know what it's like to take an MTA bus across country through the air |
| 05:51.04 | DWSR | Amarande: When average income goes down, inferior products tend to become more popular. |
| 05:51.06 | Amarande | Two words: Halo 3. |
| 05:51.21 | Amarande | Dagmar: I normally fly Delta |
| 05:51.27 | Amarande | I avoid Southwest like plague |
| 05:51.30 | Dagmar | Delta was acceptable to me |
| 05:51.38 | Dagmar | United did things like, strand me in IAD overnight |
| 05:51.40 | Amarande | and from what I hear, the JetBlue experience makes sane people want to kick DWSR's doggy. |
| 05:51.42 | Dagmar | I got someone fired for that |
| 05:52.22 | eidolarr | kudos |
| 05:52.25 | DWSR | ^ |
| 05:52.33 | Dagmar | I told them when I was at the SFO airport I would do it, too. |
| 05:52.47 | eidolarr | what a badass |
| 05:52.49 | DWSR | Dagmar: SFO was your destination |
| 05:52.49 | DWSR | ? |
| 05:52.57 | Dagmar | No, that was where I left from. |
| 05:53.11 | Amarande | IAD ... Dallas? |
| 05:53.12 | Dagmar | I used to work at a travel agency. I know how flights and changes of planes work, what the odds are |
| 05:53.17 | DWSR | You knew before you boarded your plane that you were going to be stuck in IAD overnight? |
| 05:53.22 | Dagmar | Dulles Int'l in Washington |
| 05:53.22 | shifuimam | well now, isn't this fucked up |
| 05:53.32 | shifuimam | if i do GetHeight() on the frame when the UI Loads, it's the right value |
| 05:53.33 | Amarande | Ahh, right. |
| 05:53.36 | Amarande | I've never been to Dulles. |
| 05:53.39 | shifuimam | so somewhere in a nanosecond in there, it's resizing |
| 05:53.46 | Amarande | I've only ever had two itineraries that went through DC, one in 2005, and one next month |
| 05:53.50 | Dagmar | DWSR: I knew because I'm not an idiot. No plane flies all the way across the country, through weather, and still makes a ten minute plane change at the destination |
| 05:53.53 | DWSR | shifuimam: Isolate and replicate. |
| 05:53.56 | Amarande | both through DCA instead |
| 05:54.01 | Dagmar | It simply does not happen, and it's against airline policy to even book that |
| 05:54.01 | shifuimam | i live in dc metro. reagan airport is a shithole |
| 05:54.09 | shifuimam | especially since my hometown, indy, built a new airport which is all shiny and modern |
| 05:54.20 | DWSR | Dagmar: Hm... |
| 05:54.20 | Amarande | I was actually surprised when I went to Florida in 2005 that DCA was even still operational |
| 05:54.25 | shifuimam | DWSR: i'm not even sure HOW. the only time it's not working is at UI load |
| 05:54.30 | shifuimam | the rest of the time it works just peachy fuckin' keen |
| 05:54.31 | Amarande | I would have figured that DHS would have had it shut down after 9/11 for being too close for comfort |
| 05:54.32 | DWSR | Dagmar: Should have been more than 1 firing, imo. |
| 05:54.36 | Dagmar | The guy was telling me something I knew to be a lie, I told him so, said I could stay with friends another night... He insisted |
| 05:54.43 | DWSR | shifuimam: Turn off all your other addons, replicate. |
| 05:54.50 | Dagmar | I told him up front, if you are lying to me I will be calling in the morning to get you fired. |
| 05:55.02 | DWSR | You sir, are a badass. |
| 05:55.12 | shifuimam | DWSR: or i could just pussy out and give up |
| 05:55.32 | Dagmar | dwsr: It doesn't hurt that I still know SAABre like the back of my hand |
| 05:55.41 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/tinworks#p/u/0/IJiHDmyhE1A |
| 05:55.58 | DWSR | Dagmar: No, it doesn't. |
| 05:56.38 | DWSR | Dagmar: I don't fly anymore. |
| 05:56.47 | DWSR | It's such a crapshoot |
| 05:56.52 | shifuimam | can it lock up the client to use OnUpdate() too much? |
| 05:56.57 | DWSR | yes |
| 05:57.00 | Dagmar | The dude lied to my face, put me on a flight in complete contravention of policy, left me stuck at IAD for eight hours overnight until the 9am flight to Nashville |
| 05:57.11 | WobWork | did you punch him in the face? |
| 05:57.14 | Dagmar | I would have skinned him alive if I could have reached him |
| 05:57.25 | shifuimam | DWSR: so what's the best way to prevent that? |
| 05:57.35 | WobWork | did you get him fired? |
| 05:57.36 | eidolarr | shifuimam: not really |
| 05:57.41 | Dagmar | WobWork: Absolutely |
| 05:57.44 | DWSR | shifuimam: The definition of "too much" is very broad. |
| 05:57.56 | eidolarr | shifuimam: if you never let control leave the OnUpdate loop it will lock up, otherwise you'll just hurt the frame rate |
| 05:57.59 | Dagmar | WobWork: It was pretty clearly simply an act of malice to have put me on that plane |
| 05:58.04 | eidolarr | er OnUpdate call |
| 05:58.13 | shifuimam | it's just a simple comparison of two numbers |
| 05:58.30 | DWSR | shifuimam: Measure it in the number of lines of code that you're running. |
| 05:58.31 | Amarande | I fly because if I didn't, I'd have to take 2-3 extra days off of work sometimes to go to events like Dragon Con and the Tar Valon anniversary party. |
| 05:58.33 | shifuimam | is there a way to stop watching OnUpdate? |
| 05:58.33 | eidolarr | no that won't lock up your client unless you're running on an abacus |
| 05:58.38 | DWSR | shifuimam: If you're running like 50 lines of code, it probably doesn't matter. |
| 05:58.41 | eidolarr | what do you mean by watching? |
| 05:58.46 | DWSR | shifuimam: If you're running 50,000 lines of code, then yes. |
| 05:58.50 | shifuimam | like, stop having OnUpdate() trigger anything |
| 05:58.59 | eidolarr | without setscript no |
| 05:59.03 | shifuimam | of course |
| 05:59.03 | DWSR | shifuimam: Not without setscript |
| 05:59.06 | Dagmar | Amarande: Hey at least you can get a shuttle right to the heart of the maelstrom from ATL |
| 05:59.10 | DWSR | shifuimam: You could do OnLoad() couldn't you? |
| 05:59.13 | shifuimam | thank you, runewaker, for not supporting fracking setscript |
| 05:59.14 | eidolarr | the best approximation would be to have a "do_onupdate" boolean and check it at the beginning of the update handler |
| 05:59.21 | shifuimam | DWSR: that's the problem. onload() and onshow() don't work. |
| 05:59.25 | shifuimam | fuck if i know why. |
| 05:59.50 | eidolarr | you could implement them pretty easily |
| 05:59.54 | DWSR | Dagmar, I forget, are you into triphop? |
| 06:00.01 | DWSR | shifuimam: You could probably implement it pretty easily. |
| 06:00.15 | shifuimam | but even a do_onupdate at OnUpdate is sitll running something |
| 06:00.25 | DWSR | shifuimam: Again, measure it in numbers of lines. |
| 06:00.31 | shifuimam | i mean, i doubt that my "if x ~= y" is going to be much more load than "if update is true or false" |
| 06:00.34 | eidolarr | just have a table mapping from frame to [table from handler name to handler function] |
| 06:00.39 | shifuimam | DWSR: including white space, 8 |
| 06:00.48 | eidolarr | your if x~=y is negligible load |
| 06:00.52 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 06:01.00 | shifuimam | then i'll just leave it as-is. |
| 06:01.02 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 06:01.05 | DWSR | Good idea. |
| 06:01.10 | shifuimam | although i sure wish i knew why onshow() isn't working. it's very strange. |
| 06:01.17 | DWSR | IF you're running, like I said, 50,000 lines of code, you might want to change a few things. |
| 06:01.17 | shifuimam | well, it technically is |
| 06:01.20 | shifuimam | the size is changing mid-load |
| 06:01.25 | shifuimam | yeah, but none of my addons are *that* complex |
| 06:01.27 | DWSR | shifuimam: If you're running 8 lines, it doesn't matter. |
| 06:01.36 | shifuimam | even my eqswap addon with its fancy little timer function is less than 200 lines |
| 06:01.46 | shifuimam | okay |
| 06:01.46 | shifuimam | thank. |
| 06:01.48 | Amarande | needs to get my Eternal badge for Dragon*Con this year |
| 06:01.48 | eidolarr | the lines of code aren't that important |
| 06:01.50 | shifuimam | ..... i mean, thanks. |
| 06:01.54 | eidolarr | unless your game gets choppy you're fine :P |
| 06:02.16 | DWSR | eidolarr: They are a good way to determine, in a very rough way, the execution time. |
| 06:02.24 | shifuimam | my game is choppy because of poor client updates :P |
| 06:02.27 | DWSR | eidolarr: I realize that certain tasks will require significantly more/less CPU time. |
| 06:02.47 | eidolarr | i disagree |
| 06:02.47 | DWSR | eidolarr: However, for lots of people, code length is proportional to execution time in a fairly linear fashion. |
| 06:02.58 | DWSR | s/people/addons/. |
| 06:03.03 | eidolarr | a three line for loop can use tremendously more cycles than n000 lines of code |
| 06:03.18 | shifuimam | eidolarr: true, but i think that loops are a particular circumstance |
| 06:03.24 | eidolarr | silly mistakes like not caching can scale runtime by a factor of 10 |
| 06:03.26 | DWSR | eidolarr: I count each iteration of a loop as a new set of lines. |
| 06:03.27 | shifuimam | a poorly executed loop will cripple your entire machine, not just your client |
| 06:03.48 | DWSR | (since that's essentially what the interpreter is doing). |
| 06:04.04 | DWSR | shifuimam: Dare I say it, forkbomb? |
| 06:04.09 | shifuimam | say what? |
| 06:04.11 | shifuimam | is a fake programmer |
| 06:04.22 | eidolarr | while(1) fork() is an ancient joke |
| 06:04.30 | eidolarr | it just keeps making new processes who in turn make new processes |
| 06:04.33 | eidolarr | until the computer bursts into flames |
| 06:04.46 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb |
| 06:04.55 | DWSR | eidolarr: while(1) fork() is a shitty forkbomb. |
| 06:05.01 | DWSR | Bash forkbombs are much better. |
| 06:05.09 | eidolarr | it's the basic forkbomb |
| 06:05.12 | eidolarr | you cannot mess |
| 06:05.49 | shifuimam | hrm.using OnUpdate() breaks the resize functionality |
| 06:05.57 | eidolarr | lol |
| 06:06.00 | DWSR | Love the Windows forkbomb. |
| 06:06.04 | DWSR | %0|%0 <-- Win |
| 06:06.05 | eidolarr | you should abandon all hope |
| 06:06.12 | shifuimam | god fucking damn it. |
| 06:06.32 | DWSR | I also like the perl one. |
| 06:06.35 | DWSR | fork while fork |
| 06:06.36 | shifuimam | is there a way to watch if the mouse button is down? |
| 06:06.42 | shifuimam | cause that's when it's resizing, when you're clicking and dragging |
| 06:07.11 | eidolarr | if there's an onclick handler you can flip a boolean lol |
| 06:07.20 | eidolarr | i am a major proponent of boolean flipping |
| 06:07.30 | shifuimam | yeah there's OnClick, OnMouseDown, OnMouseUp |
| 06:08.46 | DWSR | flips his boolean |
| 06:08.46 | shifuimam | i just hate that i have to make all these extraneous variables |
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| 06:09.09 | eidolarr | if they are needed for functionality they are not extraneous =) |
| 06:09.11 | DWSR | Dagmar: You a fan of triphop? |
| 06:09.23 | shifuimam | it can be a lot to keep track of in complex addons though |
| 06:09.36 | eidolarr | you do what you gotta |
| 06:09.46 | shifuimam | that did, however, fix my problem. true when mouse is down, false when mouse is released |
| 06:12.33 | shifuimam | eidolarr & DWSR thanks for the help |
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| 06:13.13 | shifuimam | man i wish WoW had the level of character customization that ROM does |
| 06:13.16 | shifuimam | you guys are missing out |
| 06:13.27 | DWSR | Anyone know what the urgent maintenance is for? |
| 06:13.30 | DWSR | ~wowalert |
| 06:13.31 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 06:13.35 | Shadowed | Old spice commericals are amusing |
| 06:14.18 | DWSR | Shadowed: Where can I turn *off* frames fading out as opposed to instantly hiding? |
| 06:14.24 | DWSR | in SUF |
| 06:16.35 | WobWork | Shadowed: hehe yeah, they have a very good flow and script |
| 06:16.48 | WobWork | fits perfectly into the superbowl attentionspan |
| 06:17.50 | Shadowed | You can't DWSR. |
| 06:18.22 | DWSR | IF I wanted to change some codez, where should I change? |
| 06:19.03 | tem | Arthas to 38% finally |
| 06:19.04 | Shadowed | Probably the file named fader? |
| 06:19.10 | tem | this dude is serious business |
| 06:19.20 | DWSR | tem: So are those Saronite...owait. |
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| 06:19.40 | DWSR | ~logs |
| 06:19.41 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 06:22.06 | tem | honestly, it's not the valkyrs |
| 06:22.20 | tem | it's the defiles |
| 06:22.59 | DWSR | tem: http://i45.tinypic.com/2a7apw8.gif |
| 06:23.22 | tem | heh |
| 06:25.00 | DWSR | Just in case you feel bad about not being able to kill Arthas. |
| 06:25.16 | tem | earlier: http://imgur.com/72tgR.jpg |
| 06:33.36 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/701/ |
| 06:33.53 | tem | DWSR, I don't feel bad about not killing arthas. |
| 06:33.58 | tem | We aren't a super amazing guild |
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| 06:34.10 | tem | but we'll be top ~250 world probably |
| 06:35.27 | Adys | the fuck @ oldspice commercial |
| 06:35.54 | tem | I smell like fighter pilot and punches |
| 06:36.37 | Adys | youtube html interface added fast forward/slow motion |
| 06:36.54 | Adys | did the flash ui get that too? |
| 06:37.54 | tem | that xkcd is depressing |
| 06:39.18 | Adys | it is kind |
| 06:39.19 | Adys | a |
| 06:42.59 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekn36qfsi74&feature=channel |
| 06:43.04 | Adys | the fuck is up with this |
| 06:43.23 | shifuimam | one of my addons has almost 100 downloads \o/ |
| 06:44.44 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoI2-zZfO3Y&feature=channel |
| 06:44.49 | Adys | there is something really not right about this |
| 06:45.19 | shifuimam | lol....wut |
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| 07:14.05 | mikma | haste: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/drag_racing.jpg |
| 07:15.30 | NightHawkTheSane | wow. i'm bitter and angry and single and even tomorrow's xkcd makes me sad. |
| 07:21.20 | Cairenn | cheers everyone up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAPABJd4xos |
| 07:22.50 | Dagmar | I have no heat. *sigh* |
| 07:23.02 | Cairenn | eek, that's not good |
| 07:23.06 | Dagmar | I should just buy this damn condo instead of renting. |
| 07:23.07 | Cairenn | have a fireplace? |
| 07:23.11 | Dagmar | No. |
| 07:23.15 | Cairenn | ugh |
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| 07:23.37 | Dagmar | I have a multimeter and the skills necessary to figure out what's broke in the HVAC unit, just no _authorization_ |
| 07:23.41 | Cairenn | hope you've got lots of blankets & sleeping bags, then |
| 07:23.47 | Dagmar | At least it's only 63F and I have an electric blanket |
| 07:24.07 | Cairenn | that's not so bad then |
| 07:24.11 | Dagmar | Bloody thing runs without making funny noises for like two minutes and then the breaker pops |
| 07:24.34 | Dagmar | Hopefully Rheem will be able to get someone out here before say, spring |
| 07:24.53 | Dagmar | I suppose it could be worse |
| 07:25.15 | Dagmar | When I first moved into this place, I got it a month before I left the old place so I could move stuff in without being in a panic about it. |
| 07:25.25 | Cairenn | yup, you could be here ... it's 10F |
| 07:25.32 | Dagmar | The first week, after I'd moved nothing but a dozen boxes, the old HVAC unit *caught fire* |
| 07:25.56 | Dagmar | Luckily it just burned itself out without taking the building with it |
| 07:26.04 | Cairenn | thank goodness |
| 07:26.52 | Dagmar | Being that I've taken great care to keep feeding it new HEPA filters and so on, I'll bet it's the breaker itself failing |
| 07:27.50 | Dagmar | It's a brisk 25F here, so I'm basically not frozen becuase I have downstairs neighbors who apparently moved here from Hell |
| 07:28.29 | Dagmar | THey keep their place at 80F during the summer |
| 07:28.55 | Dagmar | At least my computers will be happy until the heater is repaired |
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| 07:58.21 | Adys | When was Darnarian's Scroll of Teleportation made permanent? |
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| 08:22.51 | zenzio | http://punditkitchen.com/2010/02/11/political-pictures-teabagger-ignorance-bliss/ ... |
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| 08:57.55 | DWSR | !api setanchor |
| 08:57.56 | lua_bot | GameTooltip:SetAnchorType: Sets the method for anchoring the tooltip relative to its owner (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/GameTooltip/SetAnchorType) |
| 08:58.12 | DWSR | !api Frame:SetAnchor |
| 08:58.12 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Frame:SetAnchor'. |
| 09:02.37 | DWSR | !api registerevent |
| 09:02.37 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'registerevent': Frame:RegisterEvent, Frame:UnregisterEvent |
| 09:02.44 | DWSR | !api Frame:RegisterEvent |
| 09:02.44 | lua_bot | Frame:RegisterEvent: Registers the frame for an [[docs/events|event]] (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/RegisterEvent) |
| 09:12.26 | DWSR | !api bottom |
| 09:12.28 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'bottom': ScrollingMessageFrame:AtBottom, Region:GetBottom, ScrollingMessageFrame:ScrollToBottom |
| 09:23.40 | DWSR | nevcairiel |
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| 09:24.18 | nevcairiel | wut? |
| 09:24.27 | DWSR | WTB named frames for BT4. |
| 09:24.33 | nevcairiel | they are named |
| 09:24.38 | DWSR | What? |
| 09:24.48 | DWSR | /framestack tells me the petbar is not named. |
| 09:25.24 | nevcairiel | should be named BT4BarPetBar |
| 09:25.45 | DWSR | I was just getting an anonymous frame |
| 09:25.54 | DWSR | Lemme try it. |
| 09:26.08 | DWSR | I hacked in adding itself to _G |
| 09:26.24 | DWSR | ah, so it is. Thanks. |
| 09:26.35 | DWSR | So it's BTBar<Bar name>? |
| 09:26.54 | nevcairiel | pretty much |
| 09:27.00 | DWSR | awesome |
| 09:27.34 | DWSR | Yeah, I have to fucking add all my kgpanels to _G because they all change names when I rl. |
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| 09:36.40 | DWSR | !api modifier |
| 09:36.43 | lua_bot | Found 5 possible results for 'modifier': GetUnitHealthModifier, MODIFIER_STATE_CHANGED, IsModifierKeyDown, GetUnitPowerModifier, GetUnitMaxHealthModifier |
| 09:36.51 | DWSR | !api MODIFIER_STATE_CHANGED |
| 09:36.55 | lua_bot | MODIFIER_STATE_CHANGED: Fires when a modifier key is pressed or released. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/MODIFIER_STATE_CHANGED) |
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| 09:40.49 | Shirik | !reload |
| 09:40.49 | EDI | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 09:40.57 | Shirik | goes back to sleep |
| 09:48.08 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 09:57.04 | DWSR | !api OnClick |
| 09:57.04 | lua_bot | OnClick: Run when the button is clicked Available for Button, CheckButton (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnClick) |
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| 10:03.55 | DWSR | !api Frame:Hook |
| 10:03.55 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Frame:Hook'. |
| 10:04.00 | DWSR | !api Hook |
| 10:04.01 | lua_bot | Found 10 possible results for 'Hook': hooksecurefunc, lua_gethook, lua_gethookmask, debug.gethook, ScriptObject:HookScript, debughook, lua_sethook, debug.sethook, lua_Hook, lua_gethookcount |
| 10:04.09 | DWSR | !api ScriptObject:HookScript |
| 10:04.10 | lua_bot | ScriptObject:HookScript: Securely hooks a script handler (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScriptObject/HookScript) |
| 10:06.03 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: where is my phone? |
| 10:06.15 | jnwhiteh | 2/12/2010 5:22 [Ammo] Transit through DHL facility East Midlands, United Kingdom |
| 10:06.18 | jnwhiteh | THAT WAS HOURS AGO |
| 10:06.30 | jnwhiteh | I love the am->tab ping. |
| 10:06.34 | jnwhiteh | I probably shouldn't :P |
| 10:10.42 | DWSR | WoW. |
| 10:10.56 | DWSR | There is a lot of neat shit that you can do with your UI if you script it. |
| 10:11.01 | DWSR | All sorts of neat shit going on in here. |
| 10:11.30 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 10:11.35 | Fisker | you'll get it veeery late |
| 10:14.09 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: I dunno |
| 10:14.12 | jnwhiteh | they're so slow to update |
| 10:14.14 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 10:14.17 | jnwhiteh | if they push this to tomorrow |
| 10:14.20 | jnwhiteh | I'm going to be very upset. |
| 10:14.52 | Kalroth | Monday, jnwhiteh. |
| 10:15.26 | jnwhiteh | no, courier delivery should happen on saturdays |
| 10:15.32 | jnwhiteh | and i will find you and kill you if it doesn't come until monday. |
| 10:15.39 | Fisker | :o |
| 10:15.42 | Kalroth | haha |
| 10:22.37 | Grum | jnwhiteh: i fully support that! |
| 10:22.40 | Grum | make pics please |
| 10:23.24 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 10:23.31 | Fisker | remember who bailed you out |
| 10:23.32 | Fisker | :3 |
| 10:52.01 | Torhal | Fisker: Shh. People are trying to sleep. |
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| 11:13.55 | Lothaer | hey guys |
| 11:13.57 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lothaer] by ChanServ |
| 11:16.57 | zenzio | heya |
| 11:17.33 | Kaso | http://www.youtube.com/my_speed is pretty cool |
| 11:19.32 | Lothaer | kk |
| 11:19.34 | Lothaer | so whats new? |
| 11:20.36 | Lothaer | gonna test out this new mod the next raid i go on |
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| 12:03.51 | mikma | you know, dark carnival alley in l4d2 is the suck in expert |
| 12:06.19 | Kalroth | sounds like a l2p issue |
| 12:06.51 | mikma | it's not actually |
| 12:07.50 | Kalroth | l 2 p ! |
| 12:07.56 | mikma | it's just that damn hard with expert |
| 12:08.06 | Kalroth | tried shooting them? |
| 12:08.28 | mikma | in the face |
| 12:08.38 | Kalroth | wheres Fisker when we need him |
| 12:08.40 | mikma | next time i'm trying it i'll take baseballbat with me |
| 12:09.07 | mikma | i heard that 2x melee and 2x gun works well |
| 12:09.51 | Kalroth | Yup, you'll want to avoid hugging them |
| 12:10.19 | Kalroth | I read about someone trying 4x melee, but that just means the bots runs up to everything and smacks them |
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| 12:11.29 | mikma | its the only damn map i am missing from "still something to prove" |
| 12:11.38 | mikma | i even have "the real deal" |
| 12:13.14 | Kalroth | I ask Zoid to make a mikma mode |
| 12:13.36 | Adys | dance with me Kalroth |
| 12:13.44 | Adys | I just finished game objects |
| 12:13.46 | mikma | berg? |
| 12:14.42 | Kalroth | Adys: Song along with me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhwbxEfy7fg |
| 12:15.17 | mikma | lol song |
| 12:15.23 | Adys | songs with Kalroth |
| 12:15.39 | Adys | Kalroth: JIMP > DIAB |
| 12:15.51 | Kalroth | Adys: not for Valentine's Day |
| 12:16.03 | Adys | it's not valentine's day yet fuckwad |
| 12:16.15 | Kalroth | Valentine's Weekend then |
| 12:16.27 | Adys | it's not saturday yet asswad |
| 12:16.43 | Kalroth | friday is when weekend begins |
| 12:28.12 | A-KO | I wish this weekend would be over with already |
| 12:28.21 | A-KO | I've had nothing but trouble on Valentine's Days :P |
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| 12:42.49 | Wobin | hehe |
| 12:42.50 | Wobin | http://jamescroft-ygge.posterous.com/this-sydney-storm-is-unreal-heres-footage-fro |
| 12:42.53 | Wobin | this is what tonight is like |
| 12:42.59 | Wobin | in Sydney |
| 12:43.45 | A-KO | yeah that's pretty crazy |
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| 13:19.45 | foxlit | Why exactly is there an achievement for getting the black dress? |
| 13:20.04 | Wobin | Cause Blizzard likes to hear your tears |
| 13:20.38 | olafski | yeah they made everything farmable except that.. you can still get very unlucky and not get it :P |
| 13:21.24 | foxlit | But why a *black* *dress*? |
| 13:21.28 | foxlit | Why not an orange suit? |
| 13:21.38 | foxlit | [or any comination, really] |
| 13:21.41 | Kaso | its 25% drop is it not? its how unlucky can you be? |
| 13:22.15 | foxlit | Kaso: that's an easy question |
| 13:22.37 | foxlit | lua> 1-0.75^(3/2*14) |
| 13:22.38 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0.9976215910458 |
| 13:23.04 | foxlit | 0.24% chance of failure assuming you sink every quest-received token into black boxes and do not farm additional tokens. |
| 13:23.32 | olafski | :) |
| 13:24.18 | foxlit | lua> 40+10+40+2*3+10+20+4 |
| 13:24.19 | lua_bot | foxlit: 130 |
| 13:24.31 | Kaso | should've been in ulduar non-stop the first day and had more tokens than you could cope with ;p |
| 13:24.32 | foxlit | Is my estimate for the number of tokens you need for the other achievements |
| 13:25.02 | foxlit | lua> 1-0.75^(3/2*(14-4-1/3)) |
| 13:25.04 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0.98456920437696 |
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| 13:25.23 | foxlit | Which brings us up to 1.6% |
| 13:25.57 | Kaso | "prety |
| 13:26.05 | Kaso | "pretty unlucky" then? |
| 13:27.11 | foxlit | Oh crap, Elders. |
| 13:27.18 | foxlit | Curse you, achievement system. |
| 13:27.31 | ZorbaTHut | note that you can technically farm up an infinite number of love tokens |
| 13:27.37 | ZorbaTHut | so it's grindable |
| 13:27.54 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: well, no, but yes. |
| 13:28.06 | Kaso | I can't wait till lunar festival |
| 13:28.12 | foxlit | It's live, isn't it? |
| 13:28.22 | ZorbaTHut | where's the no part of it? 'cause, I mean, you can :) |
| 13:28.24 | foxlit | My Calendar says it should be at 0600 today |
| 13:28.26 | Kaso | not in eu |
| 13:28.47 | Kaso | its wierd, when my calender in eu first loads it shows today, but then it refreshes and moves to sunday |
| 13:28.49 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: the rate at which you kill mobs is strictly finite, and you have a strictly finite amount of time to grind. |
| 13:29.01 | foxlit | You can reduce your probability of not getting the dress, but you can't remove it outright. |
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| 13:29.16 | Kaso | regardless, i've had http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=8736 in my quest log for a very long time waiting for this |
| 13:29.17 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, alright yes *technically*, but in all practicality you can farm up an infinite number. you can reduce the chance of not getting it to effectively zero. |
| 13:29.34 | foxlit | [And my definition of grindable requires a guarantee] |
| 13:29.55 | Kaso | in that case frostweave is not grindable? |
| 13:30.06 | Kaso | cos you could kill a million humaniods and not get one! |
| 13:30.12 | ZorbaTHut | and you can farm it on low-level characters and mail it to your main, so you can even get levels out of it |
| 13:30.24 | Kaso | the dress box is bop annoyingly |
| 13:30.33 | Kaso | and the achievement is for getting the dress out of the box |
| 13:30.38 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but the lovely charm bracelets aren't |
| 13:30.43 | olafski | you can't mail them though |
| 13:30.43 | ZorbaTHut | and that's the second step in the farming process |
| 13:30.44 | Kaso | oh. yeah |
| 13:30.45 | olafski | need to trade them |
| 13:31.01 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, really? that sucks. still, not difficult to do with a friend or a trial account |
| 13:31.12 | olafski | "you cannot mail items with limited duration" :) |
| 13:31.14 | ZorbaTHut | actually I don't know if trial accounts can trade |
| 13:31.15 | olafski | but yeah |
| 13:31.19 | olafski | they can't |
| 13:31.23 | ZorbaTHut | but still not hard to do with a friend :D |
| 13:31.26 | olafski | but friends shouldn't be a problem |
| 13:31.31 | ZorbaTHut | and if you're playing WoW and have no friends you are doing it wrong |
| 13:32.20 | foxlit | [Not quite -- cannot mail things] |
| 13:32.21 | foxlit | "Kaso: not in eu" << so my calendar is borked again? |
| 13:32.21 | foxlit | When is it supposed to start, then? |
| 13:32.30 | Kaso | well what happens for me |
| 13:32.34 | olafski | thought I played wow _because_ I have no friends :( |
| 13:32.39 | Kaso | i load calender, there are only the default events on and it shows today |
| 13:32.52 | Kaso | then a moment later all my guild events load and lunar fest moves to sunday |
| 13:32.55 | Kaso | its wierd |
| 13:32.59 | Kaso | i presume its sunday.. |
| 13:33.04 | Kaso | i havent actually checked |
| 13:33.25 | olafski | shows as sunday on my calendar |
| 13:33.40 | foxlit | olafski: region? |
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| 13:33.56 | olafski | eu |
| 13:34.00 | foxlit | My Pilgrim's Bounty calendar was also borked in this fashion |
| 13:34.10 | foxlit | Showed it some time in september -- I wonder what's going on there. |
| 13:35.55 | Kaso | thats odd |
| 13:36.57 | foxlit | "February 14 - March 7" is what http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/events/calendar/ says |
| 13:36.58 | ZorbaTHut | bah I need a nick change for my DK, someone took my brilliant idea |
| 13:37.13 | foxlit | [while in-game calendar says 12 - 03] |
| 13:37.22 | cbreak | nick change? |
| 13:37.30 | cbreak | how can people steal other's names? |
| 13:37.45 | ZorbaTHut | it has high-ascii, someone else has a slightly different set of high-ascii :P |
| 13:38.03 | Adys | I keep watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGykVbfgUE |
| 13:38.05 | Adys | over and over |
| 13:38.12 | Adys | its funnier on fastforward |
| 13:38.24 | foxlit | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/events/calendar.html |
| 13:38.40 | foxlit | On the other hand, wow-europe agrees with my calendar. Boo at them. |
| 13:38.59 | olafski | hahaha adys |
| 13:39.15 | cbreak | that's terrible. |
| 13:39.48 | Adys | i didnt make it dont look at me |
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| 13:45.52 | zenzio | Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/02/11/funny-pictures-secure-the-purrimeter/ |
| 13:46.17 | Kaso | foxlit: my eu armory calender agrees with the US calender rather than eu calender |
| 13:46.22 | Kaso | this is rather confusing |
| 13:46.33 | foxlit | Kaso: someone somewhere didn't do something. |
| 13:46.43 | foxlit | It's odd, because olafski has the correct dates in his in-game EU calendar. |
| 13:47.19 | mikma | cairenn: what was this? 1:21 #wowuidev: <@Cairenn> mikma: ewwwwwwwww, please to provide clown warning next time, k? |
| 13:47.21 | Kaso | i have sunday in my in-game and armory calenders (except for the momentary 12th reading it gives on loading i mentioned about) |
| 13:47.28 | mikma | cairenn: are you afraid of clowns? |
| 13:47.28 | Kaso | what does your armory show you foxlit ? |
| 13:49.11 | foxlit | 14 |
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| 13:49.25 | olafski | some calendar addon? :s |
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| 13:49.38 | foxlit | olafski: No. |
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| 13:50.02 | foxlit | And even then, it'd have to screw up pretty badly to move the default events to an unrelated day |
| 13:50.06 | Kaso | foxlit: seems like you're having the issue i am, except your calender isnt refreshing with the correct date after a moment like mine seems to do |
| 13:50.23 | olafski | yeah seemed unlikely to me too foxlit |
| 13:52.42 | Wobin | "I'm on a horse" |
| 13:54.11 | Adys | ffs |
| 13:54.17 | Adys | retarded wikia ads |
| 13:54.19 | Adys | with MUSIC |
| 13:54.22 | Adys | not sound, music |
| 13:54.53 | Adys | closer comes the very fucking second I'm going to remove flash permanently |
| 13:55.11 | nevcairiel | flash blocker do their job just fine |
| 13:55.17 | Adys | cba |
| 13:55.27 | Kaso | I use noflash on firefox, lets you click on any flash object you want to see and blocks the rest |
| 13:55.30 | amro | but then how would you play flash games?! |
| 13:55.42 | nevcairiel | its selective, not block all =P |
| 13:55.53 | Kaso | or is it flashblock |
| 13:55.55 | Kaso | i dont recall >< |
| 13:56.08 | nevcairiel | i think both do that |
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| 13:56.41 | foxlit | Personally, I just blacklist networks that serve annoying ads |
| 13:57.36 | Kraps | morning |
| 13:58.16 | Kaso | I wonder if we'll ever see canvas/audio/video adds |
| 13:58.39 | zenzio | what's to wonder? Of course we will |
| 13:58.40 | nevcairiel | if it can be done, it'll be used for ads |
| 13:58.58 | zenzio | not quite ads... but remember the days of LinkExchange? |
| 14:00.17 | zenzio | well there's something I didn't know... "In November, 1998, LinkExchange was acquired by Microsoft for US$265 m" |
| 14:00.51 | Kraps | why are female superiors addressed as "sir" in BSG? |
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| 14:02.09 | olafski | isn't that normal to do in the military? |
| 14:02.17 | zenzio | think so |
| 14:02.20 | amro | Kraps: because it's the proper address in the military |
| 14:02.35 | amro | somehow, "Ma'am, yes, Ma'am!" doesn't have the same ring to it. |
| 14:02.43 | Kraps | really? /puzzle |
| 14:02.57 | Kaso | wikipedia says : "When addressing a male superior (e.g. Officer or Warrant Officer, but not usually a non-commissioned officer, in the military), "sir" is used to replace his specific rank. (Despite its use in many fictional works, this is not a term used for female superiors.)" |
| 14:03.15 | amro | wikipedia lies |
| 14:03.18 | Kaso | but i guess in the future we're advanced beyond worrying about gender equality |
| 14:03.42 | amro | but the specific rank is probably used instead of "ma'am", which is rarely used |
| 14:04.56 | Kaso | i think i'd prefer to be called sir if was a female officer |
| 14:04.58 | ZorbaTHut | kaso, either that or the future is more sexist |
| 14:05.02 | Kaso | which is an odd thing to imagine... |
| 14:05.08 | ZorbaTHut | depending on whether the person talking about it has a bone to pick or not |
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| 14:07.49 | Kaso | i always thought english need a neutral personal pronoun though |
| 14:08.02 | olafski | "you" |
| 14:08.29 | olafski | maybe not you.. surely there's something impolite to use instead :) |
| 14:09.03 | Kaso | we'll usually if you were referring to a he/she, "they" would be the closest you could get |
| 14:09.39 | zenzio | "babe" |
| 14:09.40 | olafski | yeah |
| 14:09.47 | olafski | zenzio: that works :D |
| 14:09.49 | olafski | or hun =) |
| 14:09.56 | olafski | > drop and give me 50! |
| 14:09.58 | olafski | < yes babe |
| 14:10.01 | Adys | or "get me my sandwich, woman!" |
| 14:10.19 | Cairenn | zenzio: heh |
| 14:10.21 | olafski | though, "babe, yes, babe!" sounds a bit odd |
| 14:10.32 | Cairenn | mikma: it was more disturbing than /just/ a clown |
| 14:10.57 | Adys | what was? |
| 14:10.59 | zenzio | olafski: better than "You, yes, you!" |
| 14:11.18 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:11.27 | olafski | zenzio: yeah.. but I already mentioned "you" wasn't good :( |
| 14:11.27 | Fisker | hey zenzio |
| 14:11.29 | Fisker | nemesis |
| 14:11.34 | krka | "it" is neutral |
| 14:11.36 | krka | it, yes, it |
| 14:12.00 | zenzio | Absolutely, yes, absolutely |
| 14:13.32 | olafski | Oh alright, yes, sure |
| 14:18.47 | foxlit | "it" is soulless. |
| 14:19.47 | krka | should be fine for military usage then |
| 14:21.10 | amro | especially women. |
| 14:22.24 | Kaso | lol |
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| 14:41.59 | Kraps | With that being said, we do have some additional PvE and PvP content and changes we plan to implement prior to the release of the big Cataclysm patch and subsequent retail release of that third expansion. We'll be discussing these new features in more detail in the coming weeks. |
| 14:42.01 | Kraps | [...] As we stated before releasing Wrath of the Lich King, we still intend for Icecrown Citadel to be the final raid of the expansion in terms of tiered progression. |
| 14:44.15 | Kaso | Im sure i remember blizzard saying that wotlk was going to have three "chapters" each ended by an in-game cutscene, the first was wrathgate, the second of course is arthas, has the third been abandoned? or was there supposed to be one for ulduar that didnt go in? |
| 14:44.19 | Kaso | or did i imagine it all |
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| 14:45.33 | p3lim | Hi there Mr. XFX GTX 285 BE, nice to meet you |
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| 14:46.48 | Adys | http://code.google.com/p/gource/ is it just me finding codeswarm a lot more impressive than this pseudo-disco vcvs? |
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| 14:50.41 | mikma | cairenn: what was disturbing? cant remember |
| 14:51.40 | Cairenn | I don't recall precisely (I've been trying to bleach it out of my brain) but it was a clown in dom gear or something |
| 14:51.48 | Cairenn | it was truly disturbing |
| 14:52.21 | Adys | O_o? |
| 14:52.43 | mikma | hah |
| 14:52.56 | mikma | sounds kinki when you say it |
| 14:53.02 | mikma | kinky* |
| 14:53.13 | Cairenn | hey, I have no problem with a certain degree of kink |
| 14:53.18 | mikma | KINKYYYYYYYYYYYY |
| 14:53.21 | Cairenn | but that was just disturbing |
| 14:53.23 | ZorbaTHut | kaso, if anything I'd assume that the third was meant to be arthas |
| 14:53.32 | ZorbaTHut | they were pretty clear that arthas was meant to be the end of wrath |
| 14:53.44 | Kaso | So a missing one in ulduar maybe? |
| 14:53.54 | Kaso | Does anyone else remeber that quote about the chapters and the cutscenes |
| 14:53.58 | ZorbaTHut | maybe. or maybe in the third raid that never happened |
| 14:54.01 | Kaso | just to make sure i didnt confabulate it |
| 14:55.19 | mikma | --- Day changed Mon Feb 08 2010 |
| 14:55.34 | mikma | need to dig the cairenn's dom-clown from logs |
| 14:55.45 | Cairenn | ugh, no, you really really don't |
| 14:55.54 | Cairenn | shudders |
| 14:56.19 | mikma | oh my interest has been raised already |
| 14:57.18 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/drag_racing.jpg |
| 14:57.25 | Cairenn | no |
| 14:57.30 | Cairenn | I'm not clicking that |
| 14:57.39 | Cairenn | I don't trust you any more |
| 14:57.49 | mikma | thats not the clown |
| 14:57.54 | mikma | its funny |
| 14:58.06 | Cairenn | you do realize you will die if it is and I click it, right? |
| 14:58.32 | mikma | right, i take my risk cause its funny |
| 14:58.44 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 14:58.54 | Cairenn | okay, you're safe |
| 14:59.27 | Adys | mikma: please do, I'm curious |
| 14:59.40 | Adys | as to what could have scared cairenn so much |
| 14:59.49 | Cairenn | just put a nsfw tag on it this time! |
| 15:00.12 | mikma | i will in a while when i get to good connection |
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| 15:00.25 | mikma | cairenn: was it a picture from outside? |
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| 15:00.32 | Cairenn | I don't recall |
| 15:00.41 | Bruners | mikma: that was actually funny :) |
| 15:01.02 | Cairenn | someone bitched you out about the fact you didn't label it nsfw, and you made some comment about at least his balls aren't showing or something |
| 15:01.03 | mikma | cause torhal whined to me about the google maps image of the man in his yard pants down |
| 15:01.05 | Kaltoran | sorry to bother you all but is anybody familiar with a wow crash error #134 and #132? |
| 15:01.19 | Adys | kaltoran, need more detail |
| 15:01.24 | mikma | cairenn: its the finnish man sitting in his yard with pants down |
| 15:01.30 | Cairenn | and why I'm giving you things to help you find it in your logs is completely beyond me |
| 15:01.31 | Cairenn | no |
| 15:01.42 | Kaltoran | kk one moment and ill try to explain as best i can |
| 15:01.59 | nevcairiel | #132 is the general purpose crash, that could be anything |
| 15:02.02 | Adys | Kaltoran: graphics card, drivers, ram, and possibly corrupt mpq |
| 15:02.03 | nevcairiel | forgot what #134 was about |
| 15:02.13 | mikma | cairenn: was no to me or kaltoran |
| 15:02.20 | Cairenn | mikma: you |
| 15:02.24 | Adys | nevcairiel: 134 is fatal condition |
| 15:02.32 | Kaltoran | since last patch ive been getting crashes , freezes and BSOD every day pretty much at random intervals throughout the time im logged into WoW... |
| 15:02.34 | amro | as opposed to non fatal crashes |
| 15:02.35 | Adys | so usually corrupt mpqs, missing files and shit |
| 15:02.37 | mikma | cairenn: torhal whined about the google maps picture |
| 15:02.51 | Kaltoran | have checked my entire system over nothing amiss there |
| 15:03.10 | Adys | Kaltoran: whats your graphics card |
| 15:03.10 | mikma | cairenn: you could see that the man had no pants but rest was "not visible" -> balls not showing |
| 15:03.11 | amro | could be your hd |
| 15:03.15 | Kaltoran | i repaired i think about 5-6 times now so thought id try a different tactic |
| 15:03.35 | Adys | hard drive wouldnt give a bsod |
| 15:03.43 | Kaltoran | graphics card is nvidia 9600GT 512 meg |
| 15:03.50 | Adys | like that id say graphic card drivers |
| 15:03.57 | Adys | if you get bsods outside the game, try a mem check |
| 15:03.59 | Kaltoran | thing is tho i wondered if possibly it might be a mod issue |
| 15:04.00 | amro | you sure your CPU isn't overheating?> |
| 15:04.08 | Adys | it's not |
| 15:04.09 | amro | can't be |
| 15:04.11 | Kaltoran | pu is watercooled, no leaks no dramas there |
| 15:04.18 | Elkano | talking about NSFW, someone in for some PG Porn? http://www.youtube.com/v/f_1g3rVBmos |
| 15:04.29 | mikma | cairenn: that man also had the picture removed and did a complain to the police |
| 15:04.32 | nevcairiel | i havent seen any BSOD in the last 5 years or so, if an addon could cause one, i wouldve found it |
| 15:04.59 | amro | techinically the boss key addon could display a BSOD |
| 15:05.13 | Kaltoran | well not a mod issue persay but perhaps an issue with the way wow uses memory to allocate to mods, or something.. im not really teched up on that sort of thing but i decided to run an experiment |
| 15:05.14 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 15:05.29 | Elkano | last BSOD I've seen was yesterday when our university managed to crash power and network in some strange way... couple of notebooks bluescreened at the same time |
| 15:05.52 | Kaltoran | so i reformatted, and ran WoW (having completely reinstalled it obviously) with no addons |
| 15:06.06 | Kaltoran | went fine without a hitch for hours... then |
| 15:06.21 | Elkano | out of nowhere... adorable kittens? |
| 15:06.21 | Adys | Kaltoran: do you have any addon like gearscore installed? |
| 15:06.32 | Kaso | amro: how so? |
| 15:06.42 | amro | Kaso: by using a screenshot of a BSOD |
| 15:06.51 | Kaso | lol |
| 15:06.51 | Kaltoran | i introduced a mod into the equation, pally power (much <3) and whamo instant crash error |
| 15:06.52 | Kaso | fail |
| 15:07.16 | amro | Kaltoran: it could be increased cpu/mem usage exposing another problem in your system |
| 15:07.24 | ZorbaTHut | kaltoran, sounds like either a bug in WoW, bad drivers, or a hardware issue |
| 15:07.39 | Adys | imo sounds like he needs to remove gearscore. |
| 15:07.54 | Kaltoran | gearscore? lol dont use that dont need to |
| 15:07.57 | amro | get hwscore and rate your hardware |
| 15:08.08 | Kaltoran | enuff elitists running around waving that in everybody else faces |
| 15:09.07 | Adys | hey ZorbaTHut! |
| 15:09.09 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/objects/ |
| 15:09.28 | Adys | it may look quite empty but there is a plethora of data in there |
| 15:09.34 | Kaltoran | im gunna get to the bottom of it eventually, just thought in passing that you guys might have had a bit of a opinion on the mod factor... but your probably right, it may just be something impacting on another part of my system thats already abit off :S |
| 15:10.02 | Adys | Kaltoran: if it started "just after" you installed 3.3, id dismiss hardware as well |
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| 15:10.10 | Adys | so as i said, try video card drivers |
| 15:10.47 | Kaltoran | updated :/ so thats another moot point.. unless i need to roll back to a previous version |
| 15:11.08 | Adys | when did it start exactly, and when does it happen exactly? |
| 15:11.47 | Kaltoran | interestingly enuff i seem to be about the 50billionth person to be claiming to have these errors... wow forums and other independat tech forums are full of people with these same problems, dating back to as far back as patch 2.3 |
| 15:12.20 | Adys | 2.3? so little you know |
| 15:12.21 | Kaltoran | it started happening basically as 3.3 hit... and happened very randomly but especially if i /reloadui or /rl |
| 15:12.44 | Adys | then try a memtest |
| 15:12.49 | Adys | !g memtest86+ |
| 15:12.50 | batbot | Adys: Memtest86.com - Memory Diagnostic <http://www.memtest86.com/> |
| 15:12.54 | Kaltoran | at times ill just be flying around, the zone will change and ill get crashed out |
| 15:12.55 | nevcairiel | eh why is youtube so crappy today? cant even watch a 360p movie without buffering |
| 15:13.15 | nevcairiel | the html5 mode seems even to be worse then flash |
| 15:13.35 | Kaltoran | ill check that site out :) sorry to bother you all but thanx for the advice :) |
| 15:13.39 | Kaso | Kaltoran: the problem is that wow is very vague with its error reporting, it could be all 50billion people have a different issue but its all throwing out a #132 cos thats what wow uses for everything |
| 15:13.40 | amro | nevcairiel: different formats, probably different servers and load levels |
| 15:14.01 | Kaso | http://www.youtube.com/my_speed |
| 15:14.02 | Kaltoran | <<<< blackrock, HUGE server load |
| 15:14.22 | Adys | amro: whats yours? curious |
| 15:14.27 | nevcairiel | additionally the quality of the html5 mode sucks |
| 15:14.46 | Adys | nevcairiel: yeah it does |
| 15:14.54 | Adys | way to fuck it up imo |
| 15:15.04 | Adys | youtube is the only site that can fail so hard |
| 15:15.04 | Kaso | I havent used the html5 version much, why does it suck? |
| 15:15.14 | Adys | its just not polished at all |
| 15:15.17 | Adys | compare it to vimeo |
| 15:15.20 | Adys | theirs is awesome |
| 15:15.26 | amro | http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?chxt=x,y&chd=t:5|5|7|94&chxp=0,12,38,63,88&chxr=1,0,3164&chco=FFCC33,3072F3,FFA6C0,E1E1E1&chm=t172,000000,0,0,10,0|t176,000000,1,0,10,0|t232,000000,2,0,10,0|t2983,000000,3,0,10,0&chbh=87,5,5&chs=410x300&cht=bvg&chtt=Average+Speed+in+Kbps&chxl=0:|ISP|sidi+bel+abbes|dza|global |
| 15:15.30 | amro | whoa |
| 15:15.32 | Kaso | lol |
| 15:15.33 | amro | giant url |
| 15:15.40 | nevcairiel | the video quality just is clearly inferior to flash |
| 15:15.43 | nevcairiel | for whatever reason |
| 15:15.54 | amro | nevcairiel: could be your browser's decoder |
| 15:16.01 | Kaso | doesnt the html5 version use exactly the same video data though? |
| 15:16.15 | Adys | http://to./mht <- mine |
| 15:16.16 | nevcairiel | chrome, which is also googles thing, so if that dont work together, fail :P |
| 15:16.43 | Kaso | Adys: wait how the hell does that url shortener work |
| 15:16.59 | foxlit | to is a TLD |
| 15:17.01 | Adys | Kaso: nevcairiel++ for linking it first, its a tld |
| 15:17.20 | nevcairiel | to is awesome |
| 15:17.23 | foxlit | The last dot is used to force it to interpret it as such, as opposed to a local name |
| 15:17.27 | Kaso | is the dot there just to make url pattern matchers work? |
| 15:17.28 | nevcairiel | not only that its super short |
| 15:17.31 | nevcairiel | everyone asks wtf it is |
| 15:17.35 | Adys | yeah |
| 15:17.46 | Kaso | thats crazy |
| 15:17.53 | Adys | nevcairiel: also I like that they owned 3.ly big time :P |
| 15:18.02 | Kaso | if the index is just three letters it must not be used much yet |
| 15:18.14 | Adys | yah |
| 15:18.52 | nevcairiel | actually it doesnt work in my url pattern match thingy |
| 15:18.54 | nevcairiel | i should fix that |
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| 15:20.49 | Kaso | .tk were doing some tld shortening as well, but that is better |
| 15:20.53 | Kaso | for the shear "wtf" factor |
| 15:21.28 | Kalroth | http://to/ works too, at least for me |
| 15:21.50 | nevcairiel | yeah, the dot is only needed for some crazy url resolvers |
| 15:22.05 | Adys | ya |
| 15:22.41 | Gnarfoz | and dns configs |
| 15:22.42 | Gnarfoz | :< |
| 15:22.44 | nevcairiel | off to fixing my url matching to allow the dot at the end! |
| 15:23.28 | mikma | http://maps.google.fi/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=fi&geocode=&q=&sll=59.927333,23.510966&sspn=0.269755,0.811615&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=60.243908,24.899453&panoid=ijdo2lyRUt2qjY8vGkChfQ&cbp=12,344.29,,1,1.82&ll=60.243571,24.89929&spn=0,359.988627&z=16 |
| 15:23.48 | Adys | google wave wont work with to./mht :( |
| 15:23.55 | Adys | but it does work with http so meh |
| 15:24.52 | Grum | mikma: INVAISoIN! |
| 15:25.01 | mikma | http://www.streetviewfinland.com/ |
| 15:25.17 | Kaso | lol |
| 15:29.55 | mikma | mikk: http://www.streetviewfun.com/2010/border-between-sweden-and-finland/ |
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| 15:32.18 | Cairenn | morning Lopeppeppy |
| 15:32.29 | Cairenn | when's surgery? |
| 15:32.47 | Lopeppeppy | Tricky fish, tricky fish! |
| 15:32.51 | Lopeppeppy | Still Feb. 25. |
| 15:33.03 | Lopeppeppy | Today I got Rosie some kitty prozac. |
| 15:33.05 | Cairenn | duh, why did I think it was sooner? |
| 15:33.08 | Lopeppeppy | I think I'll share... |
| 15:33.17 | Cairenn | pass it around? |
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| 15:34.53 | Lopeppeppy | Serious. Since I have to pay full price for it, it had BETTER work! |
| 15:35.01 | Cairenn | yeah really |
| 15:36.01 | Adys | http://www.streetviewfun.com/2010/upside-down-house/ |
| 15:36.04 | Adys | weird |
| 15:36.36 | Arrowmaster | http://www.streetviewfun.com/2010/snorkelers-chasing-google-away/ |
| 15:36.53 | Kaso | house is an art installation isnt it |
| 15:37.04 | Lopeppeppy | At least it's just behavior and not some obscure virus or other disease. And she had bloodwork just last month before surgery, so we know it's nothing bloodwork-ish. Just psycho kitty! |
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| 15:37.21 | haste | Arrowmaster: welcome to norway! |
| 15:37.31 | Adys | http://www.streetviewfun.com/2010/streetview-driver-in-finland-wants-to-be-on-the-internets-too/ |
| 15:37.59 | Arrowmaster | i was looking for it |
| 15:38.04 | Arrowmaster | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/google_street_view_scuba_divers.jpg |
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| 15:39.51 | Ackis | anyone know when the torch lighting occurs today? |
| 15:40.30 | Cairenn | pre-ceremony starts at 7pm est, opening ceremonies at 8:45pm est |
| 15:40.50 | Ackis | bah I was hoping for something to do at work today |
| 15:40.51 | cbreak | torch? |
| 15:40.55 | cbreak | for the fire festival? |
| 15:41.00 | Cairenn | olympics |
| 15:41.05 | cbreak | oh |
| 15:41.13 | mikma | lols |
| 15:45.20 | Ackis | Fisker: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/epic-fail-batting-fail.jpg you as a child? |
| 15:47.34 | amro | Ackis: don't think so. I don't see any tusks |
| 15:47.39 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/100212.html |
| 15:49.51 | foxlit | Has winterfall firewater drop rate always been this sucky, or did they adjust it? |
| 15:50.13 | nevcairiel | if you farm for it, it never drops |
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| 15:50.49 | Kaso | im sure it was always pretty crappy |
| 15:50.59 | Kaso | not sure what its like now though |
| 15:51.00 | foxlit | I'm just incidentally murdering furbolgs. |
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| 15:51.30 | foxlit | Haven't had a single drop in something like 50 kills |
| 15:51.35 | foxlit | lua> 0.94^50 |
| 15:51.35 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0.045330726560729 |
| 15:52.14 | nevcairiel | maybe they drunk it all |
| 15:52.44 | foxlit | I wonder if there is a quest prereq |
| 15:54.01 | Lopeppeppy | brb, meeting wtih president... |
| 15:54.10 | Ackis | foxlit: there is iirc |
| 15:55.33 | Adys | for the winterfall firewater? |
| 15:55.52 | Ackis | don't you have to do the quest where you find the empty vial of it? |
| 15:55.53 | Adys | i know theres an empty firewater flask dropping from them but i dont think its required for the firewater |
| 15:57.58 | foxlit | There are definitely related quests, but I didn't think they were required |
| 15:58.26 | Ackis | might be worth doing some of them, when I ground my rep I got a drop 1/5ish kills I think |
| 15:58.32 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:58.44 | foxlit | Ackis: just levelling, anyway |
| 15:59.17 | foxlit | wowhead says 6% |
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| 16:06.13 | amro | foxlit: there's no requirement, the quest is separate |
| 16:06.25 | amro | you just have epic bad luck |
| 16:07.37 | foxlit | On the tune of < 1% by now. |
| 16:09.40 | cog|work | MORNING! |
| 16:09.49 | cog|work | (ugt) |
| 16:09.51 | Ackis | no |
| 16:10.03 | cog|work | there are four lights |
| 16:11.06 | Ackis | there are five lights |
| 16:11.14 | Ackis | (it annoys me when people don't get that reference) |
| 16:11.23 | Adys | you annoy me |
| 16:11.29 | Ackis | good |
| 16:11.34 | Adys | anyone has firefox/safari/ie/opera? |
| 16:11.44 | Ackis | yes/yes/no |
| 16:11.54 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/o/195308/mysterious-snow-mound/ |
| 16:12.00 | Adys | can you zoom in on the infobox |
| 16:12.03 | nevcairiel | i have anything but safari |
| 16:12.26 | Adys | nevcairiel: that looks grammatically wrong |
| 16:12.40 | Adys | anyway, zoom on the infobox |
| 16:12.45 | Ackis | i zoooooooomed |
| 16:12.46 | nevcairiel | whatever, but i did some browser tests a few weeks back, but didnt bother with safari |
| 16:12.50 | Adys | does the yellow exclamationmark follow zooming? |
| 16:12.58 | nevcairiel | real zoom or browser zoom? |
| 16:13.04 | Ackis | yes |
| 16:13.10 | Ackis | (browser zoom w/ FF) |
| 16:13.14 | Adys | im guessing browser zoom |
| 16:13.16 | amro | browser zoom |
| 16:13.18 | Adys | but try real zoom too |
| 16:13.35 | Adys | (unless by real zoom you mean OS-zoom) |
| 16:13.45 | nevcairiel | real zoom wont touch the rendering of firefox |
| 16:13.49 | nevcairiel | so thats pointless |
| 16:13.54 | Adys | k |
| 16:14.02 | Adys | someone try ie/opera? |
| 16:14.05 | nevcairiel | but yeah, the mark stays at the same position infront of the text |
| 16:14.05 | Ackis | I got an error w/ IE6 |
| 16:14.06 | nevcairiel | sec |
| 16:14.06 | Adys | or well, safari :P |
| 16:14.16 | Adys | Ackis: by ie i meant ie7/8 |
| 16:14.19 | Adys | well something decent |
| 16:14.28 | Ackis | yeah I figured, but I wanted to try anyways :P |
| 16:14.32 | Adys | lol |
| 16:14.32 | zenzelezz | as far as I can tell, it works in IE8 |
| 16:14.34 | Adys | what error? |
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| 16:14.43 | zenzelezz | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 16:14.46 | nevcairiel | IE 7/8 are fine |
| 16:14.52 | Adys | i need to know on safari though before i report it |
| 16:15.04 | Ackis | Line 137: Error: Expected identifier, string or number |
| 16:15.09 | sylvanaar_atwork | i used to like IE - now I hate it |
| 16:15.10 | Adys | fuck that |
| 16:15.19 | Adys | sylvanaar: you used to *like* ie? |
| 16:15.21 | nevcairiel | opera is fine too |
| 16:15.27 | Lopeppeppy | re-hello! |
| 16:15.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | *yes* |
| 16:15.39 | nevcairiel | chrome doesnt zoom the image, stays small |
| 16:15.46 | Adys | aye nevcairiel |
| 16:15.47 | Cairenn | wb Lopeppeppy |
| 16:15.51 | sylvanaar_atwork | i cant log into wowace in chrome |
| 16:15.59 | Adys | which is why I need to know if it works in safari P= |
| 16:16.00 | Adys | =P |
| 16:16.02 | sylvanaar_atwork | the forums |
| 16:16.10 | nevcairiel | Adys: get some mac freak or iphone user or something :P |
| 16:16.14 | Ackis | I think Kaelten uses some weird browser like that |
| 16:16.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | i use safari |
| 16:16.24 | Adys | jnwhiteh: ^ |
| 16:16.29 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 16:16.42 | Adys | sylvanaar: can you test it? http://db.mmo-champion.com/o/195308/ |
| 16:17.11 | sylvanaar_atwork | what am i testing |
| 16:17.13 | Kaso | Adys: mark scrolls fine with opera. The Breakfast of Champions text wraps in opera though, and there's no rounded corners |
| 16:17.16 | Adys | zoom on the infobox |
| 16:17.26 | nevcairiel | Kaso: thats because opera fails at css3 |
| 16:17.27 | Adys | and see if the exclamation mark zooms in as well |
| 16:17.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | you mean hoverlinks |
| 16:17.35 | Kaso | though positioning seems a bit off in both opera and firefox to my eye |
| 16:17.41 | Adys | sylvanaar: the box at the topright |
| 16:17.46 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah |
| 16:17.51 | sylvanaar_atwork | there is one |
| 16:18.02 | Adys | you see the questionmark? |
| 16:18.04 | Adys | try zooming in |
| 16:18.10 | Adys | and tell me of the mark zooms in as well |
| 16:18.20 | Shirik | I'll show you my questionmark |
| 16:18.27 | sylvanaar_atwork | i see no ? |
| 16:18.30 | sylvanaar_atwork | i see ! |
| 16:18.34 | Adys | yeah that |
| 16:18.40 | Adys | does it zoom or not :P |
| 16:18.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | it does not zoom |
| 16:19.00 | Adys | tyvm |
| 16:19.12 | nevcairiel | hey at least google didnt break it then |
| 16:19.26 | nevcairiel | whats so special about that img anyway? the red dot above zooms fine |
| 16:19.41 | Adys | the red square is a builtin list-style-type |
| 16:19.46 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 16:19.47 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 16:19.50 | Adys | which is not an image, its unicode i think |
| 16:19.54 | Adys | Im not sure tho |
| 16:20.08 | nevcairiel | and the other has a css assigned image |
| 16:20.11 | sylvanaar_atwork | Adys: would you like a ss? |
| 16:20.18 | Adys | nah sylvanaar Im fine, thanks |
| 16:20.21 | ZorbaTHut | nice, just managed to disband an entire group by using rankwatch |
| 16:20.25 | Adys | i just wanted to know if it was a shared bug |
| 16:20.39 | Adys | ~zorbathut++ |
| 16:22.48 | Kaso | holy hell i need to download that addon, there are actually people using the wrong ranks? |
| 16:23.18 | ZorbaTHut | kaso, I get an average of one per two groups at 80, twice that pre-80 |
| 16:23.30 | Kaso | interesting |
| 16:23.38 | ZorbaTHut | in fairness, probably 3/4 of them are thanks to either recently having leveled or not knowing that dualspec doesn't update ranks. |
| 16:23.43 | Lopeppeppy | People still use ranks of spells? |
| 16:24.00 | Kaso | dual spec is the big problem yeah |
| 16:24.01 | ZorbaTHut | lope, everyone who has spells does, whether they want to or not :P |
| 16:24.14 | Lopeppeppy | I meant in terms of downranking, Zorba. :P |
| 16:24.22 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: and ~5% of them don't know that downraking has been nerfed |
| 16:24.24 | ZorbaTHut | there's a few very rare cases where downranking makes sense |
| 16:24.30 | ZorbaTHut | rankwatch doesn't actually notify on those, however |
| 16:24.37 | Adys | it doesnt? |
| 16:24.39 | ZorbaTHut | (hardcoded exceptions) |
| 16:24.43 | Kaso | I managed to disband a group with iconhell, but thats a different thing all together ;p |
| 16:24.46 | Adys | which ones? |
| 16:24.47 | ZorbaTHut | no, it's got a list of spells it doesn't pay attention to. |
| 16:24.48 | Kaso | and blizzard nerfed it! qq |
| 16:24.54 | ZorbaTHut | life tap, frostbolt |
| 16:24.57 | Adys | ah |
| 16:24.57 | ZorbaTHut | I think there's a few others |
| 16:25.09 | Adys | so I can use frostbolt rank 3 and nobody will notice |
| 16:25.17 | ZorbaTHut | true, if you really insist :P |
| 16:25.32 | ZorbaTHut | they also might be set to only ignore rank 1, I'm not actually sure |
| 16:25.37 | ZorbaTHut | in both cases you either want to use max rank or rank 1 |
| 16:25.46 | Adys | also @ nevcairiel |
| 16:25.47 | Adys | http://chromium.googlecode.com/issues/attachment?aid=2123027759181344149&name=screenshot.png&inline=1 |
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| 16:27.48 | Shirik | it's broken because you used python |
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| 16:28.19 | Adys | you know shirik, one day you'll pick up python because your job is forcing you to, that day you will like it and that day I shall laugh |
| 16:28.26 | Shirik | Nope |
| 16:28.32 | Shirik | We aren't allowed to use python :) |
| 16:28.41 | Shirik | Government doesn't like it |
| 16:28.48 | Adys | I said one day |
| 16:28.50 | Adys | not tomorrow |
| 16:28.56 | Shirik | That will be the day I quit |
| 16:29.09 | Fisker | trolling is a art Shirik |
| 16:29.26 | ZorbaTHut | shirik will be told to use python and will quit |
| 16:29.28 | Adys | Im a lot better at trolling than Shirik tyvm |
| 16:29.32 | ZorbaTHut | his next job will also tell him to use python |
| 16:29.37 | Shirik | nope |
| 16:29.41 | Shirik | I will become a psychology major |
| 16:32.03 | zenzelezz | I think you misspelled "major psycho" |
| 16:32.26 | Adys | I'll become major psychic |
| 16:32.35 | Adys | I can already see in people's future |
| 16:32.56 | Adys | how could I otherwise tell that Shirik will be using Python in the next 2 years? |
| 16:33.09 | Shirik | not true! |
| 16:33.19 | Adys | Sorry man but the spirits don't lie |
| 16:33.25 | Shirik | Considering the government still relies on Ada, and I'm using C++, I think I have at least 10 years to go |
| 16:33.56 | Shirik | Doesn't python rely on garbage collection? |
| 16:33.56 | Adys | my brother used Ada |
| 16:33.59 | Adys | he was into telecoms |
| 16:34.04 | Adys | worked at swisscom |
| 16:34.23 | Adys | talked to him on irc a few months back, talked to him about python |
| 16:34.29 | Shirik | Anyway, python simply cannot be used in a realtime system, period. It has no realtime constructs. |
| 16:34.39 | Adys | we dont generally talk much (if ever), but 2 months later he quit his job. |
| 16:34.48 | Adys | I never asked why :P |
| 16:35.15 | amro | python and ada are meant for different domains |
| 16:35.16 | Ackis | Shirik: can you pyscoanalyze me? |
| 16:35.19 | amro | there's no point in comparing |
| 16:35.27 | Adys | Ackis: I can |
| 16:35.37 | Ackis | Adys: crazies shouldn't analyze crazies |
| 16:35.46 | Shirik | amro, there is when Adys is saying I'm going to use python in the future |
| 16:35.48 | amro | adys can analyze. not sure about the psych part |
| 16:35.51 | Shirik | and I'm like "no..." |
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| 16:36.09 | Adys | You wank at least 8 times a day, your girlfriend is a murderer, you're coming out of a 5 year long depression and you slept with your father when you were 14 |
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| 16:36.29 | amro | that's Fisker Adys |
| 16:36.34 | amro | aim right next time |
| 16:36.47 | Adys | Shirik: The spirits tell me that you'll change job if needs be |
| 16:37.03 | Shirik | nope |
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| 16:37.17 | Adys | But they're pretty clear about the whole python thing |
| 16:37.23 | Adys | either that or you'll die bitten by a snake |
| 16:37.43 | Shirik | it's ok I have snake bite kit |
| 16:37.44 | amro | Shirik: the next administration will want more aviation accidents so they can push some more arbitrary control laws. they'll make you use python. |
| 16:38.07 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:38.07 | Arrowmaster | as scary as it sounds java is being used in realtime systems |
| 16:38.07 | Shirik | python would make things worse |
| 16:38.14 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Nothing hard realtime |
| 16:38.28 | Adys | as scary as it sounds, windows is used in realtime systems |
| 16:38.36 | Shirik | news flash |
| 16:38.45 | Shirik | Microsoft makes a (DECENT) realtime OS |
| 16:38.46 | amro | Mars Express Orbiter ran on windows. true story. |
| 16:38.58 | amro | Shirik: they do? |
| 16:39.03 | Shirik | yes... |
| 16:39.06 | Kaelten | how's it going guys? |
| 16:39.08 | Adys | Shirik: even if they did, that wouldnt make it any less scary |
| 16:39.13 | Shirik | Just because it bears the "windows" name doesn't mean it's awful :P |
| 16:39.19 | Shirik | It's made by a completely different set of people |
| 16:39.21 | amro | Shirik: I mean, more details |
| 16:39.50 | Shirik | Windows CE is a RTOS |
| 16:39.56 | amro | oh |
| 16:39.59 | amro | I didn't know |
| 16:40.16 | Shirik | it has priority inheritance protocols, deterministic interrupts, etc. |
| 16:40.27 | Arrowmaster | 'Real-Time Distributed Java' 'Multilevel Secure Real-Time DOS' |
| 16:40.38 | Shirik | It's actually the #2 OS in aviation, right behind VxWorks |
| 16:40.54 | amro | it had to be a #2. |
| 16:41.10 | Shirik | Well, VxWorks was there first :) |
| 16:41.11 | amro | I thought QNX would be high up |
| 16:41.30 | Shirik | QNX hasn't hit aviation for whatever reason, but it's a big contender in non-aviation real-time systems |
| 16:41.53 | Adys | Spacecraft using VxWorks |
| 16:41.53 | Adys | The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter [16] |
| 16:41.55 | Adys | ~amro-- |
| 16:42.14 | Ackis | http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/80000/1000/600/81608/81608.strip.print.gif |
| 16:42.14 | amro | that's not what I said you failure |
| 16:42.19 | amro | I said Mars Express Orbiter |
| 16:42.26 | Adys | the fuck is that link |
| 16:42.42 | amro | I don't know, but it sounds like it has something to do with dilbert stripping |
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| 16:43.00 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 16:43.11 | Adys | http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/im/a/complete/douchebag/and/hide/encrypted/messages/in/urls/81608/81608.strip.print.gif |
| 16:43.18 | Sixen | Rawr. |
| 16:43.37 | Sixen | ohai Kael. |
| 16:44.10 | Shirik | out of curiosity, where did you see that list Adys? |
| 16:44.22 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VxWorks |
| 16:44.35 | Kaelten | hi Sixen |
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| 16:44.59 | kneeki | So, I'm sure I'm doing this the hard way... I'm trying to just retain the first 3 numbers of a 6 digit number: string.reverse(string.sub(string.reverse(102911), 4)) |
| 16:45.02 | Fisker | hides jnwhiteh |
| 16:45.02 | kneeki | ... yeah |
| 16:45.08 | kneeki | it uhm, works. |
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| 16:45.43 | Cairenn | station |
| 16:45.47 | Lunessa | ... DAMNIRT |
| 16:45.52 | Cairenn | hehehhee |
| 16:45.55 | amro | owned |
| 16:45.56 | Lunessa | <3 |
| 16:45.57 | Adys | kneeki: str(102911)[:3:-1] |
| 16:46.01 | Adys | OH WAIT. |
| 16:46.11 | Shirik | Lunessa: You need a perform script |
| 16:46.46 | Fisker | busstop |
| 16:46.57 | Lunessa | Nah. For a while I had an ~onjoin but it got old. |
| 16:47.08 | Cairenn | xoxoxoxo |
| 16:47.09 | kneeki | Adys: Unexpected symbol near : |
| 16:47.16 | Adys | kneeki: thats not lua :P |
| 16:47.17 | amro | wooooooooooosh |
| 16:47.24 | kneeki | lol |
| 16:47.57 | Lunessa | I'm just taking it as a sign of Cairenn's undying love for me. And I'll have to have drinks with her at the next gathering so I can confess that it's mutual. |
| 16:48.14 | Cairenn | :) |
| 16:48.14 | Adys | actually |
| 16:48.18 | Adys | if you want to retain order |
| 16:48.20 | Adys | its str(102911)[::-1][:3][::-1] |
| 16:48.24 | zenzelezz | now you just have to determine her ulterior motives |
| 16:48.28 | Adys | though i think theres a simpler way |
| 16:49.04 | Adys | although, there's likely a purely mathematical way |
| 16:49.06 | Adys | !g retain the first 3 numbers of a 6 digit number |
| 16:49.07 | batbot | Adys: North American Numbering Plan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan> |
| 16:49.13 | Adys | fuck the hell off batbot |
| 16:49.29 | Lunessa | I don't care what her motives are, really. ;) |
| 16:49.33 | Shirik | Adys, you do not have enough underscores |
| 16:49.35 | Shirik | I think you meant |
| 16:49.43 | Adys | shirik, stop it |
| 16:49.46 | Adys | it's old and unfunny |
| 16:49.53 | Adys | honestly |
| 16:49.57 | amro | ahahah |
| 16:50.02 | Adys | if it were someone else trying to troll I'd give him that |
| 16:50.02 | amro | underscores, good one |
| 16:50.10 | Adys | but you're the one who keep bringing the same joke up |
| 16:50.23 | amro | keeps* |
| 16:50.23 | Shirik | you're the one that keeps bringing a crappy language into this channel! |
| 16:50.37 | Adys | my solution works. |
| 16:50.45 | Adys | >>> int(str(102911)[::-1][:3][::-1]) |
| 16:50.45 | Adys | 911 |
| 16:50.47 | Shirik | not in WoW |
| 16:50.59 | Adys | maybe not in your version of wow |
| 16:51.00 | amro | I think that's the interpreter calling the cops |
| 16:51.02 | Cairenn | don't make me separate you boys |
| 16:51.02 | amro | what did you do Adys? |
| 16:51.06 | Shirik | make a python interpreter for WoW then you can start using python |
| 16:51.08 | Sixen | lol |
| 16:51.16 | Adys | maybe I already have |
| 16:51.22 | Sixen | hai cairenn |
| 16:51.24 | Shirik | maybe you should release it then |
| 16:51.25 | Kalroth | a python interpreter written in lua |
| 16:51.31 | Adys | yeah no Kalroth |
| 16:51.35 | Kalroth | plz |
| 16:51.39 | Adys | !g python web browser javascript |
| 16:51.40 | batbot | Adys: Farmdev: An In-Process, Headless Web Browser for Python? <http://farmdev.com/thoughts/50/an-in-process-headless-web-browser-for-python-/> |
| 16:51.45 | Adys | ffs |
| 16:51.46 | Shirik | I made a lua VM in lua |
| 16:51.52 | Adys | why does batbot give me shitty results? |
| 16:51.56 | Shirik | it shouldn't be too hard to handle python |
| 16:51.59 | amro | it's google you tool |
| 16:52.04 | amro | fix your queries |
| 16:52.04 | Adys | no |
| 16:52.08 | Adys | I get the results just fine |
| 16:52.15 | amro | personalized results |
| 16:52.19 | Adys | yea |
| 16:52.29 | Adys | !g python javascript implementation |
| 16:52.29 | batbot | Adys: Advogato: pyv8: python v8 bindings and a python-javascript compiler <http://www.advogato.org/article/985.html> |
| 16:52.36 | Adys | ... |
| 16:52.39 | Kalroth | !g why python sucks |
| 16:52.40 | batbot | Kalroth: Why Python Sucks » Armin Ronacher <http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2007/6/11/why-python-sucks> |
| 16:52.44 | Adys | !g python implementation in javascript |
| 16:52.45 | batbot | Adys: pejs - Project Hosting on Google Code <http://code.google.com/p/pejs/> |
| 16:52.49 | Adys | you know what |
| 16:52.51 | Adys | i fucking give up |
| 16:52.58 | Adys | batbot, you can kiss my butt |
| 16:53.11 | Kalroth | "it's copy.copy and not just copy. Why in god's name is that an import?" |
| 16:53.23 | Adys | because it's not |
| 16:53.33 | Adys | dict.copy() works just fine |
| 16:53.38 | Kalroth | .. |
| 16:54.06 | Adys | >>> {"kalroth": "buttjob"}.copy() |
| 16:54.07 | Adys | {'kalroth': 'buttjob'} |
| 16:54.26 | Adys | >>> ["kalroth", "buttjob"][:] |
| 16:54.26 | Adys | ['kalroth', 'buttjob'] |
| 16:54.46 | Kalroth | so you .. array an array? |
| 16:55.02 | amro | [:] returns a copy |
| 16:56.13 | Adys | copy (only really used for custom classes for which you havent implemented a copy method) and deepcopy live in the copy module |
| 16:56.21 | Adys | in 3 years of python ive only needed deepcopy once |
| 16:56.41 | Adys | also this guy is complaining about regex literals |
| 16:56.44 | Adys | use perl ffs |
| 16:56.53 | Shirik | So |
| 16:57.01 | amro | ruby* |
| 16:57.01 | Shirik | can I write [:][:][:][:][:][:][:][:][:][:][:][:][:][:] after any expression? |
| 16:57.07 | Adys | sure |
| 16:57.24 | amro | Shirik: only if it's sliceable |
| 16:57.30 | amro | like a list or string |
| 16:57.36 | Shirik | why do you lie to me Adys |
| 16:57.38 | Adys | >>> "shirik smells"[:][:][:][:][:][:][:][:][:][:][:][:][:][:] |
| 16:57.39 | Adys | 'shirik smells' |
| 16:57.41 | Adys | a string works too |
| 16:57.42 | Adys | :P |
| 16:57.50 | Shirik | numbers do not! |
| 16:58.19 | Shirik | whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat |
| 16:58.42 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 16:58.47 | Shirik | worst (or best) URL ever: http://rim.jobs (sfw) |
| 16:58.52 | Fisker | when are you going to get your name fixed in WoW? |
| 17:00.07 | Adys | >>> [1, 2, 3] |
| 17:00.08 | Adys | [1, 2, 3] |
| 17:00.08 | Adys | >>> _[:] is _ |
| 17:00.08 | Adys | False |
| 17:01.22 | Adys | http://www.mmo-champion.com/profile/?u=47256 |
| 17:01.23 | Adys | ... |
| 17:03.37 | Shirik | I'm looking for internships,and I come across this: "Team Lead, BlackBerry Provisioning Software Development " |
| 17:03.42 | Shirik | something tells me that was misfiled... |
| 17:03.50 | zenzelezz | Shirik: that URL is misleading |
| 17:06.24 | amro | Shirik: they have low standards. |
| 17:06.28 | Cide | Adys, huh? |
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| 17:06.37 | Cide | use == to compare lists, not "is" |
| 17:06.44 | Shirik | YEAH |
| 17:06.59 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 17:07.04 | Shirik | hi Cide |
| 17:07.06 | Ackis | wedgies are teh devil |
| 17:07.11 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: nice fortune :P |
| 17:07.12 | amro | Cide: he was making a copy |
| 17:07.18 | Cide | amro, indeed |
| 17:07.18 | amro | thus checking for uniqueness |
| 17:07.23 | Cide | huh? |
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| 17:07.32 | Cide | [1, 2, 3] == [1, 2, 3] in python (compares item by item) |
| 17:07.42 | Cide | oh |
| 17:07.44 | amro | he doesn't want item by item, he wants to compare if they're 2 instances |
| 17:07.45 | Cide | I thought he did |
| 17:08.03 | Cide | <Adys> >>> _[:] is _ |
| 17:08.03 | Cide | <Adys> False |
| 17:08.03 | Cide | <Adys> ... |
| 17:08.05 | Adys | Cide: we were talking about copy |
| 17:08.10 | Cide | yeah, didn't read up |
| 17:08.14 | Adys | er |
| 17:08.15 | Adys | [19:01:22] <Adys> http://www.mmo-champion.com/profile/?u=47256 |
| 17:08.16 | Adys | [19:01:22] <Adys> ... |
| 17:08.19 | Cide | yeah, saw that after |
| 17:08.26 | Cide | I mentally block out any mmo-c links |
| 17:08.27 | Cide | osnap! |
| 17:08.31 | cog|work | chuckles @ "Extract Method in F# is shift-tab" |
| 17:08.40 | Ackis | mentally blocks Cide |
| 17:08.42 | Cide | Adys, btw, is "is" uniqueness comparison? |
| 17:08.48 | Cide | I always did id(a) == id(b) |
| 17:08.49 | Adys | yeah |
| 17:08.55 | cog|work | Cide: F# > python! |
| 17:08.56 | Adys | is does the job fine |
| 17:08.57 | cog|work | hides |
| 17:09.00 | Cide | cool |
| 17:09.01 | Cide | thanks |
| 17:09.03 | Cide | didn't know |
| 17:09.11 | amro | cog|work: OCamle > F#! |
| 17:09.15 | Cide | cog|work, F# u |
| 17:09.17 | amro | -e |
| 17:09.38 | cog|work | amro: F# is basically OCaml + a bunch of cool mutable shit to make it play nice in .Net |
| 17:10.01 | amro | cog|work: yeah. .NET. hence why ocaml is better :) |
| 17:10.05 | amro | less dependencies |
| 17:10.09 | cog|work | pfft imo |
| 17:10.35 | amro | .NET isn't bad, but it's still a dependency |
| 17:10.52 | Cide | unrelated |
| 17:10.55 | Cide | SC2 beta!!! soon |
| 17:10.59 | cog|work | yes |
| 17:11.02 | cog|work | do want |
| 17:11.05 | Adys | meh |
| 17:11.07 | Cide | do want lots |
| 17:11.24 | cog|work | amro: which is exactly the point of F# though |
| 17:11.26 | Adys | am i the only one who doesnt get starcraft? |
| 17:11.37 | amro | cog|work: yes, I was just being an ass |
| 17:11.42 | zenzelezz | Adys: nope, I'm with you on this one |
| 17:11.43 | cog|work | i know rite? |
| 17:11.45 | cog|work | :P |
| 17:11.59 | Cide | I never played sc1 much |
| 17:12.08 | Cide | but RTSftw |
| 17:12.32 | amro | slippery slope is slippery in SC |
| 17:12.41 | amro | actually it's more of a slippery cliff |
| 17:12.42 | cog|work | i think i only ever got past the human campaign in SC once |
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| 17:13.22 | cog|work | has a short attention span for games, usually |
| 17:13.39 | Ackis | oh look, a butterfly! |
| 17:13.46 | Cide | more like |
| 17:13.48 | Cide | oh look, another game! |
| 17:13.54 | amro | ~Cide++ |
| 17:14.08 | Adys | oh look, a game programmed with butterfly! |
| 17:15.03 | Ackis | what about a butterfly playing a game? |
| 17:15.31 | amro | what about a game playing a butterfly? |
| 17:15.47 | Adys | what about me touching my butterfly while playing a game? |
| 17:15.55 | Cide | ~Adys-- |
| 17:16.11 | Cide | HAHA |
| 17:16.17 | Cide | downrep'd |
| 17:16.28 | Adys | i dont get it |
| 17:16.29 | amro | ~karma adys |
| 17:16.29 | purl | adys has karma of 6 |
| 17:16.49 | Adys | ~karma cairenn |
| 17:16.49 | purl | cairenn has karma of 11 |
| 17:16.56 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 17:17.00 | Adys | Im catching up |
| 17:17.29 | Cide | ~karma Cide |
| 17:17.29 | purl | cide has karma of 9 |
| 17:17.36 | Adys | ~cide-- |
| 17:17.39 | Adys | thats for dekarmaing me |
| 17:17.40 | Cide | ~adys++ |
| 17:17.45 | Cide | DON'T DO THAT TO ME |
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| 17:18.25 | Cide- | ~Cide++ |
| 17:18.32 | Cide | ~karma Cide |
| 17:18.32 | purl | cide has karma of 9 |
| 17:18.40 | amro | ~karma amro |
| 17:18.40 | purl | amro has karma of 7 |
| 17:18.55 | amro | well, at least it's prime |
| 17:18.57 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/7370/Fazed20071116122955.jpg |
| 17:18.57 | Adys | ~amro+=5 |
| 17:21.18 | Ackis | ~karma Ackis |
| 17:21.18 | purl | ackis has karma of -3 |
| 17:21.21 | Ackis | w00t |
| 17:21.27 | Ackis | ~karma Fisker |
| 17:21.27 | purl | fisker has karma of 5 |
| 17:21.31 | Ackis | haha I win Fisker |
| 17:21.40 | durcyn | ~ackis++ |
| 17:21.45 | Ackis | :( |
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| 17:22.17 | amro | karma whores |
| 17:22.28 | Adys | wharma cores |
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| 17:24.50 | Shirik | Adys |
| 17:25.13 | Shirik | "I have adapted the filter": J'ai adapté le filtre or Je s'ai adapté |
| 17:25.13 | Adys | Whirik |
| 17:25.18 | Lunessa | Karma Whores? Is that like... pity-fucking people so that in your next life you come back rich/beautiful? |
| 17:25.19 | Adys | j'ai |
| 17:25.33 | amro | lol s'ai |
| 17:25.34 | Adys | Je s'ai doesnt mean anything |
| 17:25.48 | amro | je sais. |
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| 17:28.33 | durcyn | ~seen tekkub |
| 17:28.38 | purl | tekkub <~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2d 17h 53m 48s ago, saying: 'I who the what now?'. |
| 17:30.12 | durcyn | well, fuck, did he say anything about taking the tourguide git repo off of github? it's 404ing :( |
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| 17:40.02 | nevcairiel | durcyn: thats been like that for at least a month now, probably longer |
| 17:40.31 | nevcairiel | he sold tourguide to some guy that sells leveling guides, so its closed now |
| 17:41.29 | ZorbaTHut | wonder how much he got for it |
| 17:41.57 | amro | probably a bear |
| 17:43.10 | nevcairiel | you know, he could've posted something on his addon page =P |
| 17:43.28 | amro | he's too busy with the bear |
| 17:44.00 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, bears can be pretty dangerous |
| 17:44.27 | Fisker | hye nevcairiel |
| 17:44.31 | Fisker | why is jnwhiteh hating me? |
| 17:44.38 | nevcairiel | silly question |
| 17:44.45 | nevcairiel | why is everyone hating you? |
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| 17:45.30 | Lunessa | Everyone hates you Fisker. This is an immutable law of Nature. |
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| 17:47.29 | foxlit | # Why Do you chase me, Mechanical Yeti?! WHY?! |
| 17:48.06 | nevcairiel | whats with those random wow quotes anyway? |
| 17:49.28 | foxlit | I'm not sure whether anything justifies the plural. |
| 17:49.53 | nevcairiel | I just remember seeing other quotes like that |
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| 17:50.33 | foxlit | Interesting. No particular reason, just did that quest. |
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| 17:51.58 | Fisker | :( Lunessa |
| 17:52.28 | Lunessa | foxlit: Because some other goblin paid me to chase you with it! |
| 17:52.48 | Lunessa | I <3 that quest. Just for that line. |
| 17:52.59 | amro | it takes forever |
| 17:53.01 | nevcairiel | Thats not perfectly accurate, he pays you afterwards |
| 17:53.11 | amro | She |
| 17:53.17 | foxlit | It is also, apparently, dangerous to go alone. |
| 17:53.18 | amro | and she actually pays you for the first part of the quest |
| 17:53.20 | amro | so hah. |
| 17:53.47 | nevcairiel | Sure, but that wasn't for the task to go chase other people with it |
| 17:53.54 | Lunessa | foxlit: Here. Take this. |
| 17:53.54 | foxlit | [Curse you, 56 elite elemental, you do not belong in the new leveling content] |
| 17:54.01 | nevcairiel | I could just take the money and run |
| 17:55.20 | alestane | "Oh dear Lord, I actually have zombie minions...yep, I guess I really am evil now." |
| 17:55.45 | Lunessa | I did those quests back in the day many, many times. Just so all the guild paladins could get the boomerang. |
| 17:55.47 | Fisker | giev fermi launch nevcairiel |
| 17:55.58 | nevcairiel | nah, i don't have money right now anyway |
| 17:56.07 | nevcairiel | I would like some more details about the cards though |
| 17:56.42 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjIzoGnkCZs&feature=player_embedded |
| 17:56.46 | Fisker | this is all you need to know |
| 17:56.53 | Fisker | it's going to beat the crap out of ati |
| 17:57.03 | Lopeppeppy | That boomerang was awesome for paladins... |
| 17:57.17 | Lopeppeppy | I was doing that quest line the SECOND I was eligible, just so I could have it. |
| 17:57.27 | nevcairiel | hate youtube, that video is bfufering too |
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| 17:57.30 | nevcairiel | screw that |
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| 18:00.01 | alestane | huggles sheeple-abused, med-starved Peppy. |
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| 18:00.37 | Lunessa | That video makes me want a new computer. |
| 18:01.05 | Ancu | A friend of mine is trying to equip a new piece of gear, but it keeps telling her her gem sockets are full. Why is this |
| 18:01.22 | nevcairiel | someone explain to me why youtube sucks so much |
| 18:01.40 | Arrowmaster | because everything popular ends up sucking |
| 18:01.53 | nevcairiel | google.com is fine |
| 18:02.02 | nevcairiel | and i bet its the most popular webpage on the web |
| 18:02.03 | Lunessa | Ancu: Probably because she's trying to equip 2 "unique equipped" gems at once. |
| 18:02.32 | Ancu | lunessa: what do you mean? |
| 18:02.57 | Lunessa | There are several gems in the game for which you can have only 1 in your gear at once. Nightmare Tear, etc. |
| 18:03.05 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/385544228 |
| 18:03.46 | Lunessa | If they've added the same gem to multiple pieces of gear.... they won't be able to equip the gear and will get a message similar to what you've reported. |
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| 18:05.00 | Ancu | is there a list of these gems |
| 18:05.07 | Fisker | i don't know if it's still an issue |
| 18:05.15 | Adys | what gems ancu? |
| 18:05.52 | Lunessa | Ancu: It should be easy enough to compile on WoWhead. |
| 18:05.52 | Ancu | nightmare tear and bright cardinal ruby |
| 18:05.53 | Fisker | but with JC gems they wouldn't let you change your item if you already had 3 JC gems total |
| 18:06.03 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/3/?unique_category__gt=1 |
| 18:06.12 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/3/?unique_equipped=1 |
| 18:07.51 | Ancu | thank you |
| 18:09.12 | Fisker | does she have an enchanted tear? ;3 |
| 18:09.29 | Fisker | i wonder if that actually works |
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| 18:21.49 | Fisker | get him |
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| 18:27.15 | alestane | In a phrase such as "HE'S the one responsible! GET HIM!!", what does the "getting" actually consist of? |
| 18:28.06 | amro | alestane: put a cap in his head |
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| 18:28.29 | Torhal | Ambiguous: "I don't get it" means "I don't understand", so... |
| 18:28.34 | Torhal | Maybe "UNDERSTAND HIM!" |
| 18:28.36 | Torhal | :D |
| 18:28.41 | alestane | The usual intention seems inconsistent with other uses of the word "get." |
| 18:29.05 | amro | alestane: english? inconsistent? get outta here! |
| 18:29.41 | Seerah | perhaps it just tells people to obtain him? |
| 18:29.45 | Seerah | ("get him") |
| 18:30.01 | Torhal | Or: "GET HIM (a snuggie)!" |
| 18:30.05 | Torhal | Or her, in Lopeppeppy's case |
| 18:30.07 | nevcairiel | anyone know a extension for chrome that allows better cookie management, like on a per-page basis? |
| 18:30.08 | alestane | When I worked in a Japanese school, one of the professors asked me to explain and help translate a sentence that was giving him trouble: "A ball on the ground has something about it that makes you want to kick it." |
| 18:30.38 | alestane | I concluded that Japanese contains no direct parallel to the English word, "have." |
| 18:30.39 | Torhal | alestane: That's grammatically horrible |
| 18:30.52 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 18:30.54 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, being obtained! |
| 18:31.02 | Seerah | gets peppy |
| 18:31.03 | alestane | Torhal: Not at all, it's a perfectly legal sentence. |
| 18:31.24 | alestane | It parses and everything. People use sentences like this all the time. |
| 18:31.32 | Lopeppeppy | *purrrrr* |
| 18:31.59 | alestane | But before we could translate it into Japanese, we had to rephrase it as "there is something about a ball on the ground that makes you want to kick it." |
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| 18:32.26 | amro | s/ball/booru/ |
| 18:33.11 | Torhal | alestane: That, to me, is a far superior phrasing. |
| 18:33.37 | amro | Torhal: superior or not, the other one was still a valid sentence |
| 18:33.48 | Torhal | Ick |
| 18:33.49 | amro | English is messed up |
| 18:33.52 | Torhal | Yes |
| 18:34.05 | Torhal | Don't get me started on the whole aluminium v.s. aluminum thing |
| 18:34.14 | Torhal | I'm American and detest the latter. |
| 18:34.38 | amro | that |
| 18:34.43 | amro | is not even a major issue =) |
| 18:34.53 | nevcairiel | I would've always used the first because thats how its spelld in german as well, and wouldn't have thought that someone would drop the i :P |
| 18:35.33 | amro | nevcairiel: americans are lazy. mark my words, they'll be the first to invent telepathy and drop words altogether |
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| 18:36.26 | alestane | And yes, it comes out as ãå°ä¸ã«ããã¦ãããã¼ã«ã¯ãä½ãããããããã¨æããããã¨ããããã |
| 18:36.39 | nevcairiel | but it even changes the way how i would pronounce it |
| 18:36.54 | nevcairiel | i mean, harbour vs harbor is barely a difference, if one at all |
| 18:38.01 | alestane | Affects the accent, too, which is what I think drove the corruption: A`lu min`ium vs. a lu` minum. |
| 18:39.55 | Seerah | 5 syllables versus 4 syllables, also. |
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| 18:40.09 | Seerah | a-lu-mi-ni-um vs. a-lu-mi-num |
| 18:40.30 | alestane | Right, properly I should have written that as a`lu mi`ni um, a lu` mi num. |
| 18:41.03 | Lopeppeppy | aluminum linoleum aluminum linoleum! |
| 18:41.10 | Lopeppeppy | sing it with me Seerah! |
| 18:41.20 | Seerah | :) |
| 18:41.39 | alestane | "An enemy anemone." |
| 18:42.32 | alestane | (Or the ever popular, "You know New York/Unique New York/You know you need/unique New York." |
| 18:43.04 | Lunessa | There's playing with language, there's puns and humor, then there's this thing you're doing. Laughing at its idiocy. |
| 18:43.23 | alestane | That's not actually what I'm doing. |
| 18:43.57 | amro | wait till you learn French |
| 18:44.04 | alestane | Been there, done that. |
| 18:44.28 | amro | si six scies scient six cigars, six cent scies scient six cent cigars |
| 18:44.31 | nevcairiel | i tried learnign french when they forced me in school, i could never really get a feel for it |
| 18:44.45 | cbreak | believe me, it feels bad |
| 18:44.51 | nevcairiel | and i forgot nearly all of it afterwards |
| 18:44.55 | Lunessa | French. A language which shall live forever in infamy. I suspect many American males would never learn it at all if it wasn't almost a guarantee of getting laid. |
| 18:44.55 | cbreak | felt like terrible marks to me. |
| 18:46.48 | alestane | amro: RIght up there with ååå头æ»çç³ç®å... |
| 18:46.58 | Thunder_Child | that assumes you want the kind of woman that screws because of that |
| 18:47.14 | Lunessa | "knew what I was meant to feel, and could produce an iconic representation of that response. But it's a construct - rational, as opposed to intuitive. I can try to explain it in terms of scale. It's the difference between a highly compressed .jpeg of a stop sign and the heat death of the universe." - this is why I read Penny Arcade right here. |
| 18:47.28 | Shirik | ããã«ã¡ããããã¾ãã¢ãªãã¨ã³ |
| 18:47.34 | alestane | Translated as "forty-four dead stone lions," this phrase is pronounced in Mandarin, "Sì shà sì tÇu sÇ de shà shÄ« zi" |
| 18:47.50 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: When you're in high school, generally, you do. |
| 18:47.52 | Aqua | .join #csharp |
| 18:47.55 | Aqua | whoops |
| 18:48.22 | Shirik | ãµããï½ |
| 18:48.26 | Shirik | er |
| 18:48.26 | alestane | Shirik: ...what? |
| 18:48.27 | Shirik | fail |
| 18:48.32 | Shirik | lol alestane |
| 18:48.36 | Shirik | I don't know how to write your name |
| 18:48.50 | nevcairiel | I still dont get how anyone can actually read those chars |
| 18:48.59 | Lopeppeppy | I can't. Just boxes. |
| 18:49.10 | alestane | ã¢ã¬ã¹ãã¼ã³ |
| 18:49.25 | Shirik | ãããã¡ããããã¾ãã¢ã¬ã¹ãã¼ã³ |
| 18:49.29 | nevcairiel | even if i wanted to learn chinese, i'm not sure i would ever manage to read those chars |
| 18:49.42 | alestane | Shirik: That still makes no sense. |
| 18:49.50 | Shirik | then you need to read better! |
| 18:50.35 | Shirik | konnichiwa gozaimasu ARESUTEN |
| 18:50.44 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5470587/computer-engineer-barbie-has-a-phd-in-fun-and-breaking-down-stereotypes >.< |
| 18:50.45 | Shirik | TEEN |
| 18:50.46 | Shirik | whatever |
| 18:50.59 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/701/ |
| 18:50.59 | Shirik | katakanatoromanjifail |
| 18:51.07 | nevcairiel | hahah wtf TC |
| 18:51.10 | alestane | Also, it's ããã«ã¡, not ãããã¡, and you'd never put "gozaimasu" on it. |
| 18:51.29 | Thunder_Child | and because of course a CE needs glasses |
| 18:51.51 | nevcairiel | it makes her look smart |
| 18:51.51 | Shirik | sure you can put gozaimasu on it |
| 18:52.01 | Shirik | and yeah |
| 18:52.03 | Shirik | I mistyped |
| 18:52.08 | Shirik | damn IME |
| 18:52.10 | alestane | Insofar as it sounds like anything at all, "konnichiwa gozaimasu" sounds like nothing but a foreigner butchering the language. |
| 18:52.14 | amro | also |
| 18:52.20 | Shirik | When you type "nni" it turns that into n i |
| 18:52.22 | Shirik | for whatever reason |
| 18:52.24 | amro | it's ããã«ã¡ã¯ |
| 18:52.36 | Shirik | And you can definitely say ããã«ã¡ããããã¾ã |
| 18:52.41 | Shirik | I know amro |
| 18:52.48 | amro | stop failing then :( |
| 18:52.52 | Shirik | It's the damn IME |
| 18:52.54 | Shirik | nn becomes n |
| 18:52.58 | amro | I mean |
| 18:53.03 | amro | konnichiHA |
| 18:53.07 | alestane | This is why I use a kana setting on my keyboard. |
| 18:53.08 | Shirik | what no |
| 18:53.12 | amro | yes |
| 18:53.24 | Shirik | no, wa>ha is only that one word (participle?) |
| 18:53.26 | Thunder_Child | hahaha, http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/02/2010-02-12-1311722.png |
| 18:53.30 | amro | no, it's not |
| 18:53.33 | Shirik | -_- |
| 18:53.42 | alestane | Shirik: Konnichi wa |
| 18:53.44 | amro | and it's particle |
| 18:53.47 | Shirik | whatever |
| 18:53.51 | alestane | is indeed written with the particle. |
| 18:53.54 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:53.57 | Shirik | is it really two separate words? |
| 18:54.03 | alestane | Lit. "So about this day..." |
| 18:54.05 | Shirik | that's new to me |
| 18:54.15 | Shirik | Then fine it is ha |
| 18:54.26 | Shirik | But I still maintain that gozaimasu is appropriate |
| 18:54.36 | Shirik | But now that youhave been mean to me, it is not anymore! |
| 18:54.38 | amro | I've never heard it that way |
| 18:54.40 | Adys | My mom has 5 characters 70 to 80, and the last game she played before World of Warcraft was Pacman on the Atari 2600... |
| 18:54.40 | Adys | -- Eyonix |
| 18:54.43 | alestane | No, that would mean, "There is this day." |
| 18:54.51 | Shirik | uh |
| 18:54.53 | Adys | Everyone take notes please there WILL be a test |
| 18:54.55 | Shirik | gozaimasu is just an expression |
| 18:55.04 | alestane | No, no it isn't. |
| 18:55.08 | Shirik | well it has a literal meaning |
| 18:55.13 | Shirik | but just because it has a literal meaning means nothing |
| 18:55.14 | amro | it's gozaru |
| 18:55.15 | amro | a verb |
| 18:55.18 | amro | I think |
| 18:55.18 | Shirik | ... no shit |
| 18:55.32 | Shirik | desu is a word too |
| 18:55.42 | alestane | You cannot just put gozaimasu on a phrase to make it more formal. |
| 18:55.47 | Shirik | You can on that one |
| 18:55.52 | nevcairiel | #wowi-chinese imho |
| 18:55.54 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 18:56.03 | amro | alestane: confirm or deny, is it a conjugation of gozaru? |
| 18:56.04 | *** kick/#wowuidev [nevcairiel!~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (for confusing japanese with chinese) |
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| 18:56.17 | amro | indeed |
| 18:56.23 | alestane | amro: It is the distal form of gozaru, which is the formal-polite euivalent of aru. |
| 18:56.34 | Shirik | This is something I picked up while I was living there, so I know for a fact konnichiwa can (and is) be paired with it |
| 18:56.49 | Shirik | as wrong as it might sound |
| 18:56.51 | Adys | nevcairiel: chinese is the language nobody knows in this channel |
| 18:56.51 | amro | at the dance maybe |
| 18:56.51 | Shirik | perhaps it's slang |
| 18:56.52 | Shirik | I don't know |
| 18:56.53 | amro | but not in phrases |
| 18:57.01 | alestane | Shirik: I've NEVER heard it phrased that way. |
| 18:57.03 | digmouse | Adys: what? |
| 18:57.05 | amro | Adys: Wobin does |
| 18:57.08 | amro | at least |
| 18:57.08 | Shirik | Sorry? |
| 18:57.09 | nevcairiel | Shirik: how would i know the difference, the silly japanese just stole the chinese characters anyway .. and if i cant read them, i cant make a distinction on characters! |
| 18:57.10 | Adys | Wobin is weird |
| 18:57.19 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I don't think anyone's used kanji yet |
| 18:57.25 | amro | alestane has |
| 18:57.30 | Shirik | ãï½ |
| 18:57.33 | Shirik | whoops |
| 18:57.37 | amro | IMEfail |
| 18:57.46 | Arrowmaster | Adys: except digmouse |
| 18:57.56 | Adys | Well yeah |
| 18:57.59 | Adys | except digmouse :P |
| 18:58.00 | nevcairiel | chinese don't count |
| 18:58.03 | Adys | I meant foreigners |
| 18:58.07 | digmouse | xd |
| 18:58.22 | digmouse | :p |
| 18:59.31 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Lesson 1: Confusable: æ¥æ¬èª Not confusable: ãã¯ãã |
| 18:59.39 | alestane | Shirik: Given the march of informal usage, it's not inconceivable that a trend to simply use gozaimasu as a formalizer may have developed. But if it has, it's purely a colloquialism. |
| 18:59.53 | Shirik | alestane: totally agree |
| 18:59.53 | sylvanaar_atwork | do i not have utf8 on |
| 19:00.06 | Shirik | anyway nevcairiel: rule of thumb: character density and blockiness |
| 19:00.25 | Adys | there are some curvy kanjis |
| 19:00.29 | Adys | ive seen a couple at least |
| 19:00.33 | Shirik | RULE OF THUMB |
| 19:00.34 | amro | yep, it's easy to tell paragraphs of chinese and japanese apart |
| 19:00.41 | Shirik | NOT ABSOLUTE LAW OR I WILL KILL MYSELF |
| 19:00.49 | digmouse | i cant fluently speak "ååå头æ»çç³ç®å" |
| 19:01.00 | digmouse | damn I hate "s" and "sh" |
| 19:01.00 | Adys | yack |
| 19:01.07 | Adys | I got some unicode failures in there |
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| 19:01.17 | alestane | digmouse: You're not supposed to be able to, it's a tongue twister. |
| 19:01.17 | digmouse | use UTF-8 |
| 19:01.21 | Adys | I am |
| 19:01.31 | nevcairiel | still needs a font that can display them all |
| 19:01.32 | Adys | I also got a japanese font installed |
| 19:01.36 | sylvanaar_atwork | re paste that |
| 19:01.42 | Adys | its only 2 characters that dont display |
| 19:01.44 | Arrowmaster | looked fine both times that was said |
| 19:01.46 | amro | Adys: that's chinese |
| 19:01.47 | Adys | 5534 and 77ee |
| 19:01.49 | Shirik | whih ones Adys? |
| 19:01.57 | digmouse | alestane: most southern chinese cant handle it |
| 19:01.58 | Shirik | first and third? |
| 19:02.02 | amro | third |
| 19:02.03 | Adys | the ones digmouse pasted and they're definitely not chinese |
| 19:02.04 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar_atwork: "ååå头æ»çç³ç®å" that? |
| 19:02.04 | amro | and er |
| 19:02.12 | amro | they are adys |
| 19:02.19 | sylvanaar_atwork | nevcairiel: thanks |
| 19:02.22 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: i will be coming to find you |
| 19:02.23 | Adys | Im just seeing blocks now nevcairiel |
| 19:02.24 | Lunessa | WTB: More raiders for ICC-level content. Willing to work with you to get ready. Must be willing to play on US Realm, Central Time Zone. Must not be a douche. Must love dogs. |
| 19:02.25 | nevcairiel | the first and the third char look like they are broken |
| 19:02.26 | jnwhiteh | and destroy you |
| 19:02.33 | Shirik | I think that's the chinese for 4? |
| 19:02.35 | Shirik | iirc |
| 19:02.36 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: uh oh |
| 19:02.40 | Adys | amro |
| 19:02.40 | amro | Shirik: yes |
| 19:02.40 | jnwhiteh | just fyi |
| 19:02.42 | Adys | can you screenshot? |
| 19:02.43 | digmouse | Shirik: nailed it! |
| 19:02.48 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: I guess saying "told you so" is a bad thing here? |
| 19:02.53 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 19:02.59 | Shirik | I know like 3 things in chinese |
| 19:03.07 | Shirik | my friend tried to get me to know more but I didn't really pay attention |
| 19:03.08 | jnwhiteh | unless you want to get beaten, with my penis.. probably =) |
| 19:03.15 | alestane | Shirik: [four]-[ten]-[four]-[[corpse]]-[style]-[stone]-[[lion]] |
| 19:03.15 | Kalroth | ponders. |
| 19:03.17 | Shirik | I know my name as he translated it means "horse dirt" |
| 19:03.22 | Kalroth | What Would Adys Do |
| 19:03.40 | Adys | amro: either they're shared, or my font is failing hard, or they're japanese; I recognize them all except the last one |
| 19:03.45 | digmouse | most ppl in southern china have problems on "l" and "n", and "sh" with "s" |
| 19:03.50 | amro | question is, who would adys do |
| 19:03.54 | Ackis | Lunessa: I'd apply but I'm a douche :( |
| 19:04.00 | amro | Adys: they're not all shared, japanese does not use as many characters |
| 19:04.07 | Kalroth | amro: no, what is more appropiate |
| 19:04.07 | Lunessa | Ackis: You don't even play WoW anymore. :P |
| 19:04.17 | Ackis | Lunessa: that wasn't a requirement! |
| 19:04.18 | Adys | i think the question is, whom would adys do to |
| 19:04.27 | Kalroth | wouldn't* |
| 19:04.29 | Lunessa | And jnwhiteh if you're going to beat people with that, it'll get calloused. |
| 19:04.37 | Adys | amro: then my font is failing |
| 19:04.39 | jnwhiteh | it's battle hardened. |
| 19:04.42 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 19:04.47 | Adys | though i dont have a chinese font installed |
| 19:04.50 | digmouse | alestane: and all of those pronouced as "si" and "shi", so it kills my tougue |
| 19:04.50 | Adys | so thats very likely it :P |
| 19:04.53 | Shirik | it appears "lion" does not go kanji according to my dictionary |
| 19:04.54 | Lunessa | ... Oh snap son, that was FUNNY. |
| 19:05.07 | Shirik | ãã©ã¤ãªã³ãããã |
| 19:05.14 | sylvanaar_atwork | JJ |
| 19:05.22 | Shirik | no not JJ >< |
| 19:05.24 | Adys | now that is chinese |
| 19:05.30 | Ackis | ~jnwhiteh++ |
| 19:05.37 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: how are the book sales? |
| 19:05.41 | jnwhiteh | dunno |
| 19:05.45 | jnwhiteh | we don't get immediate figures |
| 19:05.51 | jnwhiteh | but the ranking on amazon is good. |
| 19:05.53 | alestane | Shirik: Try ãã®ç«¹ããã®ç«¹å£ã«ç«ã¦æããã®ã¯ã竹ãâ£ãããããã£ããããç«ã¦æããã®ã¦ããã |
| 19:05.58 | Shirik | ow |
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| 19:06.09 | Adys | jnwhiteh: You should put a google analytics snippet on your book |
| 19:06.13 | Shirik | man, my client makes japanese characters so small |
| 19:06.17 | amro | Adys: http://www.mninja.org/chinese.png |
| 19:06.30 | sylvanaar_atwork | ÙÙÙ ØاÙÙ |
| 19:06.32 | Adys | yeah thats not what Im seeing at all |
| 19:06.35 | digmouse | English version of Windows 7 came with some Chinese font support |
| 19:06.42 | alestane | Shirik: Or if you don't know the kanji, ãã®ããããã®ãããããã«ãã¦ãããã®ã¯ãããããã¦ããããã£ãããããã¦ãã ãã®ã¦ããã |
| 19:06.46 | jnwhiteh | Adys: i have one |
| 19:06.47 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 19:06.51 | jnwhiteh | on the website, ofc =) |
| 19:06.51 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.53 | Shirik | my ping system totally died with that |
| 19:06.57 | Shirik | I should have screenshotted that |
| 19:07.01 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: when will you get figures? |
| 19:07.02 | Shirik | type it again |
| 19:07.02 | amro | sylvanaar_atwork: بخÙر |
| 19:07.06 | nevcairiel | i probably got all those fonts from office |
| 19:07.11 | Adys | jnwhiteh: it was a joke :( |
| 19:07.12 | Adys | you know |
| 19:07.14 | digmouse | at least I installed a brand new copy of English Windows 7, got the same Chinese font set as my old zhCN one |
| 19:07.15 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: when wiley updates the sales stats =) |
| 19:07.16 | Fisker | SO jnwhiteh |
| 19:07.16 | jnwhiteh | Adys: :P |
| 19:07.17 | nevcairiel | but i could see all chars so far, which surprises me |
| 19:07.21 | Adys | putting a google analytics snippet on a physical entity |
| 19:07.28 | Adys | which is something google will prolly implement |
| 19:07.30 | jnwhiteh | YOU WOULDN'T FISKER A VAGINA |
| 19:07.33 | Ackis | is curious aboot teh book |
| 19:07.39 | Shirik | bleh, I have to run |
| 19:07.42 | Adys | I wouldn't fisker's vagina |
| 19:07.45 | Shirik | meeting and I haven't taken a shower :( |
| 19:07.47 | Adys | Shirik: ãã®ããããã®ãããããã«ãã¦ãããã®ã¯ãããããã¦ããããã£ãããããã¦ãã ãã®ã¦ããã |
| 19:07.53 | Fisker | you wouldn't a whole vagina |
| 19:07.55 | Shirik | well that worked... |
| 19:07.59 | Shirik | I don't know why alestane's didn't |
| 19:08.00 | Adys | shirik ping |
| 19:08.06 | Adys | dammit. |
| 19:08.21 | alestane | Shirik: I copied and pasted it from a PDF< don't know if that did something weird. |
| 19:08.24 | shifuimam | so there's some dipwads on the RoM forums insisting that addon and macro dev allow you to bot the game, and it ruins it for everyone else |
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| 19:08.45 | Fisker | so jnwhiteh |
| 19:08.47 | Fisker | got your nexus one? |
| 19:08.49 | Ackis | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/epic-fail-relationship-fail.jpg http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/epic-fail-relationship-secrets-fail.jpg |
| 19:08.57 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: I mean what do you want to know |
| 19:09.00 | jnwhiteh | I have preliminary figures |
| 19:09.05 | Ackis | Fisker: if you were following him on twitter you would know the answer! |
| 19:09.07 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: no, it'll come on Monday =( |
| 19:09.10 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 19:09.12 | Arrowmaster | shifuimam: i thought it did since you could still do stuff like movement and casting from RoM addons? |
| 19:09.12 | alestane | shifuimam: "RoM"? |
| 19:09.23 | shifuimam | alestane: Runes of Magic, f2p/p4p MMO |
| 19:09.34 | shifuimam | Arrowmaster: yes, you can make macros that cast |
| 19:09.43 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: was just curious generally, I don't know enough about book selling to ask specific questions, is it doing better than the first one for example? |
| 19:09.45 | shifuimam | i'm not sure if you can move automatically, aside from being able to follow another player or NPC |
| 19:09.48 | digmouse | it's over 3am, gotta get some freshup, exhausted on going home from 1800km out of Beijing |
| 19:09.48 | nevcairiel | in RoM you can actually bot with addons, last i checked |
| 19:09.58 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: well its tough to tell, because we're not a full month in. |
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| 19:10.10 | digmouse | nice talk on Chinese XD, gn guys |
| 19:10.12 | jnwhiteh | once we are, i could probably compare it |
| 19:10.18 | jnwhiteh | but a fair amount have sold so far |
| 19:10.22 | jnwhiteh | but book sellers can return them |
| 19:10.24 | shifuimam | nevcairiel: then the devs need to change the API so you can't do that |
| 19:10.24 | Fisker | i am very happy jnwhiteh :( |
| 19:10.29 | shifuimam | not stop addon development entirely |
| 19:10.33 | jnwhiteh | bools are very weird. |
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| 19:11.03 | nevcairiel | they copied the WoW API anyway, so they should also steal its newer achievements =) |
| 19:11.11 | shifuimam | lol |
| 19:11.20 | nevcairiel | in WoW 1.x you could bot with addons as well |
| 19:11.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah |
| 19:11.25 | shifuimam | i haven't done enough addon dev yet to know if it's possible to make bots still |
| 19:11.30 | shifuimam | the game's been updated a lot from its beta days |
| 19:11.37 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: I should be able to get a copy at Barns & Noble or Borders, no? |
| 19:11.40 | sylvanaar_atwork | i remember the one that would walk you through ironforge |
| 19:11.47 | nevcairiel | auto travel was fun |
| 19:11.51 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah |
| 19:11.52 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: yep, you should be able to |
| 19:12.14 | Fisker | jnwhiteh lets celebrate my happiness :( |
| 19:12.23 | Lunessa | accepts the quest "A Trip to Barns & Noble". |
| 19:12.31 | shifuimam | i like being able to cast. i have macros that cast an offensive buff and then my starter spell |
| 19:14.11 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone with Flash experience have a brain I can pick for troubleshooting? |
| 19:14.22 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: amro will totally love it |
| 19:14.44 | nevcairiel | you know how ~asktoask goes :P |
| 19:14.50 | amro | Lopeppeppy: the first problem is Flash |
| 19:14.52 | amro | =) |
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| 19:15.00 | amro | though more seriously, what's the problem? |
| 19:15.05 | shifuimam | amro: ++ |
| 19:15.06 | Lopeppeppy | Tell me about it, amro. :) I PMs you. |
| 19:15.27 | Cide | Lunessa: looking for raiders? |
| 19:15.53 | Lunessa | Cide: Yes. Sad turn out for ToC last night and ICC earlier in the week. |
| 19:15.57 | Thunder_Child | wouldnt that be PM'd |
| 19:16.01 | Thunder_Child | w/e |
| 19:16.02 | Reecieboy | can someone give me the basic layout of a for each loop? |
| 19:17.12 | Adys | lua> for k,v in pairs({"foo", "bar"}) do print(v) end |
| 19:17.14 | lua_bot | Adys: foo, bar |
| 19:18.05 | nevcairiel | mmm this automagic translation thing in chrome5 isnt that bad, kinda handy sometimes |
| 19:18.35 | Reecieboy | ty Adys |
| 19:18.40 | Adys | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/12/1553221/Mining-EXIF-Data-From-Camera-Phones |
| 19:18.50 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.57 | Adys | oh my god |
| 19:19.10 | Adys | you can figure out whether the phone was moving when a picture was being taken |
| 19:19.13 | Adys | PRIVACY INVASION |
| 19:19.15 | Adys | RUN |
| 19:20.13 | shifuimam | oh boo-hoo |
| 19:20.16 | shifuimam | privacy in 2009 is a joke anyhow |
| 19:20.22 | Thunder_Child | "I'm sure it'll be used to kill somebody in a movie at one point. Some guy's got an iPad sticking out of his head. And Steve Jobs is like, that's /not/ what i wanted." |
| 19:21.03 | Ackis | I just saw a cat named Torvald at the local shelter (their web-page) |
| 19:21.19 | Reecieboy | I've asked this before and im sorry to ask again but i didnt write it down, how would i go about getting it to detect when MAIL_SHOW is called. |
| 19:21.55 | shifuimam | RegisterEvent? |
| 19:22.00 | shifuimam | that's what RoM does; no idea if WoW does it the same way |
| 19:23.20 | Reecieboy | yea it does |
| 19:23.27 | Reecieboy | but how would i start the code off |
| 19:23.38 | Reecieboy | sorry.. i never touched LuA before |
| 19:23.45 | shifuimam | well, RoM does it with this:RegisterEvent("YOUR_EVENT") in the OnLoad portion of your code |
| 19:23.50 | nevcairiel | LuA .. thats a new one |
| 19:23.58 | shifuimam | then you use OnEvent to do stuff when the even is triggered |
| 19:24.21 | Adys | Try saying "metadata" to the average computer user. It's like watching a BSOD on someone's face. |
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| 19:25.17 | Ackis | Adys: don't use that bad word please |
| 19:25.18 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 19:25.35 | shifuimam | i probably shouldn't try to help :\ |
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| 19:28.01 | Adys | I don't watch tv so much; are there any sites akin to a rss reader for tv shows? |
| 19:28.10 | Adys | global, worldwide and filterable |
| 19:28.13 | shifuimam | an* |
| 19:28.17 | shifuimam | hulu has some stuff |
| 19:28.37 | Adys | I was thinking along the lines of |
| 19:28.50 | Adys | a show database, you can subscribe to a show and be alerted when it comes on |
| 19:28.52 | Adys | so on |
| 19:29.03 | shifuimam | did you look to see if tv.com has RSS? |
| 19:29.16 | shifuimam | either that or get a tivo or a windows media center machine.. |
| 19:29.44 | Adys | mmh thats not it |
| 19:30.36 | shifuimam | tvguide.com's got an RSS feed on their listings page |
| 19:30.48 | shifuimam | oh wait. i totally lied. |
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| 19:32.50 | Kraps | the LK has 103 million health in 25m Heroic ICC |
| 19:33.21 | foxlit | Do players get a damage buff? |
| 19:33.24 | Kraps | paragon got the world first |
| 19:34.16 | Kraps | er wait |
| 19:34.24 | Kraps | they didnt kill lk yet |
| 19:34.42 | foxlit | or have they?! |
| 19:34.49 | Kraps | Putricide |
| 19:34.52 | Kraps | my bad |
| 19:35.34 | Kraps | that unlocks LK |
| 19:36.25 | Stanzilla | foxlit: no :p |
| 19:36.39 | Kraps | they have 14 tries |
| 19:40.43 | Kraps | what *is* the deal with the buff? |
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| 19:47.20 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder if anyone's ever gonna kill Flame Leviathan without vehicles |
| 19:47.40 | durcyn | not at 80, that aoe is pretty much an instagib |
| 19:47.47 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, definitely after 80 |
| 19:47.51 | ZorbaTHut | but 85? 90? 100? |
| 19:47.53 | Reecieboy | why bother |
| 19:47.54 | Lopeppeppy | Amro is a god, he is made of awesomesauce and win! |
| 19:47.59 | Reecieboy | thats where the fuck is. |
| 19:48.00 | ZorbaTHut | reecie, for the challenge |
| 19:48.04 | Reecieboy | fun* |
| 19:48.24 | Reecieboy | bad typo haah |
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| 19:48.55 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Solve your problem, did he? |
| 19:49.06 | amro | ZorbaTHut: more interesting is Razuvious without mind control |
| 19:49.11 | Lopeppeppy | He kicks ass!!! |
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| 19:49.21 | ZorbaTHut | continuing the current ilvl progression, we'll be at ilvl1000 near the end of the lv90 raids :D |
| 19:49.29 | A-KO^ | lol |
| 19:49.53 | ZorbaTHut | and that'll be somewhere north of 200k HP buffed |
| 19:50.08 | A-KO^ | so after doing some raid healing comparisons between the top druids on my realm and myself (via WOL), I've come to the conclusion that I'm the best resto druid on the server.....at least for Festergut 25.... |
| 19:50.13 | A-KO^ | flexes |
| 19:50.18 | ZorbaTHut | how much would you really need to survive flame leviathan, considering that the encounter is meant to be done without heals? |
| 19:51.02 | Reecieboy | 6k+ gearscore |
| 19:51.14 | Kraps | over 9000? |
| 19:51.15 | Reecieboy | wen u can get that much |
| 19:51.25 | ZorbaTHut | someday I really need to make my Every Number Is Bigger UI mod |
| 19:51.52 | alestane | ZorbaTHut: I suspect, though, that the first raids in Cataclysm may yield 250ish gear. |
| 19:52.27 | ZorbaTHut | alestane, I'm actually slightly curious if they're going to do a full ilvl reset |
| 19:52.43 | ZorbaTHut | they need to reitemize basically the entire game anyway, maybe they'll remove the BC and Wrath ilvl jumps |
| 19:53.00 | Reecieboy | if you're bored you can make me a quick for each loop that automatically sends 12 stacks of everything in your inventory to a target that is from an editbox named 'mailtarget' :D |
| 19:53.08 | ZorbaTHut | plus it would be goddamn hilarious to hit 4.0 and have everyone's gear drop by, like, 150 item levels overnight |
| 19:53.15 | A-KO^ | I doubt they'll do an ilevel reset, but they will certainly slow down the ilevel progression now that they have a solid raiding system built. |
| 19:53.25 | alestane | Get over the whole "green is the new purple" issue in HFP? |
| 19:53.29 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think they *can* slow down the ilvl progression |
| 19:53.39 | ZorbaTHut | they need a certain level of gear advancement in order to encourage people to go to new raids |
| 19:53.50 | ZorbaTHut | and that is intrinsically going to be an exponential process, no matter what |
| 19:54.28 | ZorbaTHut | any less than a 5% stat bonus and people stop being interested in new gear, and minor stat variations on gear ends up being far more important than the tier is |
| 19:54.30 | nevcairiel | greens actually never have been that good |
| 19:54.46 | ZorbaTHut | (that problem already exists with trinkets thanks to their extremely focused itemization) |
| 19:54.47 | alestane | The cause may be slightly different in a lot of cases (I think it's more based on the fact that existing gear can't trivialize a new raid) but the effect is the same, it's a positive feedback loop. |
| 19:54.50 | alestane | Power creep. |
| 19:55.19 | shifuimam | i hate big client patches. it takes away from game play time :( |
| 19:55.22 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's another part of it |
| 19:55.23 | nevcairiel | my warrior has been wearing entry-level epics from BC (karazhan and ZA), and it takes until about lvl 75 or so that blue rewards are actually better |
| 19:55.45 | nevcairiel | green i dont even look at |
| 19:55.52 | nevcairiel | its not that bad |
| 19:55.58 | alestane | nevcairiel: It was handled much better in LK than in the start of BC. |
| 19:56.09 | nevcairiel | start of BC was just insane due to the weight change to stamina |
| 19:56.11 | ZorbaTHut | BC had a much bigger jump than wrath did, thanks partially to the rebalancing of stamina |
| 19:56.28 | shifuimam | okay so i have this EQSwap addon that some people here helped me work on a couple weeks ago. it uses OnUpdate() to set a delay for removing items, swapping EQ sets, and re-equipping items. the problem is, sometimes it just stops |
| 19:56.35 | alestane | Blues might be competitive with older purples, but greens wouldn't be, as you say. |
| 19:56.47 | shifuimam | hiding and re-showing the frame i'm using for my timer/counter fixes it, but i'm wondering why the timer is stopping to begin with |
| 19:57.38 | Lunessa | Woooo! Boss says I can go home early! |
| 19:57.39 | alestane | Sounds like a code glitch of some kind, timer getting lost. |
| 19:57.49 | shifuimam | yeah, but i'm not sure how to isolate the problem |
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| 19:58.18 | Reecieboy | anyone on frostmourne? |
| 19:59.18 | nevcairiel | what is kinda insane in ilvl progression is the jump from reaching lvl 80 to getting badge gear these days |
| 20:00.08 | A-KO^ | haha nevcairiel |
| 20:00.09 | A-KO^ | yeah |
| 20:00.10 | nevcairiel | I was wearing top-notch ulduar gear when i quit the game about 9 month ago, then i come back in december or so, and every idiot wears better gear then me :P |
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| 20:00.15 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Yeah, if you can find a group willing to run with you, you can go from quest greens/blues to all 232 gear in a bout 5 days play just doing back-to-back heroics. |
| 20:01.24 | Lunessa | With Kamdis, once she hit 80 I just rand heroics with her (I tanked on my druid) over the holiday break and she was ToC-25/ICC ready in 4 days. |
| 20:01.26 | nevcairiel | My warrior is still idling on 76 or so, going to see how that goes |
| 20:01.39 | nevcairiel | i want to play him as tank, so guess i'll have to start a bit lower :P |
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| 20:23.27 | Ackis | did you guys see the easter egg in ME2 about "probing uranus"? |
| 20:23.55 | durcyn | "really, commander?" |
| 20:24.04 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 20:24.07 | Thunder_Child | sadly |
| 20:24.18 | Ackis | I found it amusing |
| 20:24.30 | Ackis | not as subtle as prisoner 403, or prisoner 780 |
| 20:24.35 | Ackis | or the desc on the blood dragon armour |
| 20:25.39 | Dagmar | Wow I skipped the local cluster. I'll have to go back |
| 20:25.46 | durcyn | or as infinitely subtle as Ackis. |
| 20:26.02 | Ackis | did you understand prisoner 403/780 durcyn? :P |
| 20:26.29 | durcyn | area codes, yes |
| 20:26.31 | durcyn | hurr |
| 20:26.56 | Ackis | :P |
| 20:27.33 | NeoTron | I don't get it |
| 20:27.40 | NeoTron | 403, 780 means what? |
| 20:27.49 | Ackis | BioWare is located in Edmonton, Alberta |
| 20:27.54 | nevcairiel | US insider jokes |
| 20:28.02 | Ackis | the area code for Edmonton (Northern Alberta) is 780 |
| 20:28.10 | NeoTron | guess I don't know my area codes by heart :P |
| 20:28.16 | Ackis | the area code for Southern Alberta is 403 |
| 20:28.19 | durcyn | ~jfgi |
| 20:28.20 | purl | http://www.google.com/search?q=jfgi |
| 20:28.28 | Dagmar | Amazing. From the way CNN is behaving, you'd think Atlanta has never seen snow before |
| 20:28.31 | Ackis | NeoTron: I live in Edmonton, hence why I know the area codes here |
| 20:28.33 | NeoTron | durcyn: slower than asking |
| 20:28.43 | nevcairiel | Ackis cheats |
| 20:28.50 | Thunder_Child | http://wowi.pastey.net/132916 |
| 20:30.01 | NeoTron | I think on my shaman I'm at a point were every heroic heal (even first two in ICC) aren't necessarily that hard anymore. not trivial always but easily doable |
| 20:32.53 | Ackis | http://www.pawnation.com/2010/02/12/missing-cat-returns-after-14-years/ |
| 20:33.06 | Lunessa | TC - You must get so much fun e-mail. |
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| 20:34.06 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: want email, but still fun |
| 20:34.11 | Thunder_Child | wasnt |
| 20:34.25 | Lunessa | It amused me. |
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| 20:45.00 | Lunessa | http://smittenkitchen.com/2009/02/alexs-moms-stuffed-cabbage/ WARNING: FOOD PORN |
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| 20:47.21 | Arrowmaster | my neighbor agrees that i need to buy the 1969 corvette i found, he used have a 63 |
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| 20:57.50 | Kraps | Lunessa: alex's mom, mmmm |
| 20:58.20 | Lunessa | Kraps - this site is full of amazing food. It's all I can do not to drool while looking at the site. |
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| 21:02.12 | Lunessa | Seerah|away: Your FB picture of you and the hubby is fantastic. |
| 21:02.35 | Fisker | likewise Lunessa |
| 21:02.57 | Lunessa | is not married, nor female. |
| 21:03.21 | Fisker | i know |
| 21:03.25 | Fisker | trolling is a art |
| 21:03.39 | durcyn | an art |
| 21:03.55 | Fisker | >:) |
| 21:03.59 | Lunessa | at which you seem to be failing lately. |
| 21:04.11 | Fisker | that's what the trolled say |
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| 21:20.58 | Cloudwolf | Well the olympics are gonna start off well this year..... woo sarcasm... |
| 21:21.23 | haste | doping? I don't see what you are talking about! |
| 21:24.46 | Cairenn | oh god, I just saw it Cloudwolf ... what a horrible horrible start to the games! |
| 21:24.57 | Cairenn | haste: http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/2010wintergames/sports/2010wintergames/Georgian+Olympic+luge+competitor+dies+crash+reports/2556930/story.html |
| 21:25.01 | Cloudwolf | Yeah seriously not the way to start |
| 21:25.13 | haste | I actually knew about that as well :< |
| 21:25.26 | Cloudwolf | have you seen the video cairenn? |
| 21:25.35 | Cairenn | no, and I highly doubt I want to |
| 21:25.48 | Cloudwolf | its over in like 2 seconds |
| 21:25.58 | Cairenn | unfortunately :( |
| 21:26.00 | Cloudwolf | but thats an amazing picuter ont he gazette they have |
| 21:26.16 | Cloudwolf | i just hope he basically died on impact not concious not feeling |
| 21:26.24 | Cairenn | yeah :( |
| 21:26.57 | Cloudwolf | you should see twitter based on his name |
| 21:27.05 | Cairenn | I can only imagine |
| 21:27.07 | Cloudwolf | its got a new post like every 5-10 seconds |
| 21:27.36 | Cloudwolf | and thats the ones that involve his name can only imagine thers even more that just say an olympic luger has died |
| 21:29.06 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/why-cashiers-should-rule-the-world/4230 |
| 21:29.09 | nevcairiel | twitter is no measurement of anything, jeez |
| 21:29.48 | durcyn | "trending topics: #lulz" |
| 21:29.53 | Cairenn | Kraps: I like that! |
| 21:29.58 | durcyn | twitter is a social barometer of a diseased society. |
| 21:30.43 | haste | man! |
| 21:31.00 | haste | we should make... an anonymous twitter! |
| 21:31.02 | haste | oh wait. |
| 21:31.18 | nevcairiel | its not really anonymous, its just pseudonymous! |
| 21:32.56 | nevcairiel | although most people additionally enter their full details in there anyway, because like 99.9% of the people on this world dont seem to care about privacy |
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| 21:47.56 | tlund | is this syntax not correct? |
| 21:47.58 | tlund | local prefix, msg, channel, sender = ... |
| 21:48.29 | haste | syntax yes, argument order - no diea |
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| 22:01.45 | tlund | haste: wow seems to like it, but luac gives an error |
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| 22:02.31 | haste | tlund: 1. what version of lua? 2. what error? |
| 22:02.36 | haste | tlund: 3. same code? |
| 22:03.08 | haste | tlund: I'm guessing: 5.1.x, invalid char on line:1 and yes |
| 22:03.35 | nevcairiel | just get cog's special wow lua |
| 22:03.50 | haste | shouldn't matter for luac |
| 22:04.12 | nevcairiel | if its the good old utf8 problem, it does |
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| 22:05.45 | haste | easy to fix tho' |
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| 22:24.38 | tlund | haste: lua 5.0.3 - unexpected symbol near `...' |
| 22:25.09 | foxlit | vararg is new |
| 22:25.16 | DWSR | tlund Umm.... You need Lua 5.1 |
| 22:25.36 | tlund | ah, look |
| 22:25.43 | tlund | there is a lua51 package :) |
| 22:25.48 | tlund | (debian unstable) |
| 22:25.50 | tlund | thanks |
| 22:25.59 | foxlit | [build from source already] |
| 22:26.12 | tlund | why would i build anything from source?! |
| 22:26.41 | foxlit | why would you install anything unstable? |
| 22:27.52 | tlund | sorry, no interest in arguing, you obviously have no idea what "unstable" means in this context. |
| 22:29.04 | haste | lol @ debian having 5.0.3 in stable |
| 22:29.13 | tlund | no, its not in stable |
| 22:29.26 | tlund | haste: i am running unstable, and ther is a "lua50" and a "lua5.1" package |
| 22:29.34 | tlund | haste: i just had the old one installed (since forever) |
| 22:29.57 | nevcairiel | stable even still has a lua40 package :D |
| 22:30.03 | haste | D: |
| 22:30.24 | durcyn | oh, debian, you crazy goons |
| 22:30.27 | haste | to each there own when it comes to distros tho' |
| 22:30.36 | foxlit | Hm, the WoW for 5 EUR promotion returns. |
| 22:30.48 | nevcairiel | usually debian stable isnt *that* old |
| 22:30.53 | nevcairiel | but in the lua case, it seems ancient |
| 22:31.11 | tlund | yay! now my addon validates with luac :) |
| 22:31.24 | DWSR | tlund: Debian unstable is still really stable. |
| 22:31.42 | tlund | nevcairiel: stable has 5.1 aswell |
| 22:31.44 | nevcairiel | if you plan to do more then use luac, you should probably still build the lua-wow thing from yource |
| 22:31.57 | durcyn | DWSR: if you're on a popular arch, yes |
| 22:32.03 | tlund | DWSR: yes, i have been running unstable on my laptop (primary desktop for office + home use) for 8+ years now. |
| 22:32.07 | durcyn | that 'stable on everything' policy is still beyond stupid |
| 22:32.10 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 22:32.11 | tlund | durcyn: 32bit Intel ;) |
| 22:32.19 | DWSR | 64bit Intel GG! |
| 22:32.24 | DWSR | That's why I <3 Gentoo |
| 22:33.06 | nevcairiel | tlund: you're right, some silly developer named it lua5.1 isntead of 51 like the previous versions <.< |
| 22:33.08 | haste | Exherbo! |
| 22:33.12 | haste | *runs* |
| 22:33.52 | nevcairiel | also, at least on gentoo, the amd64 ebuilds are better maintained then x86 these days, at least when it comes to desktop related things |
| 22:34.21 | nevcairiel | can you even still buy cpus that dont do amd64? |
| 22:34.56 | DWSR | ARMs? |
| 22:35.10 | nevcairiel | .. thats not x86 |
| 22:35.15 | durcyn | atom |
| 22:35.19 | DWSR | It's not amd64 either. |
| 22:35.20 | DWSR | :P |
| 22:35.21 | durcyn | and via stuff |
| 22:35.30 | nevcairiel | no sane person uses via stuff |
| 22:35.34 | nevcairiel | atoms dont do x64? |
| 22:36.04 | nevcairiel | mm |
| 22:36.04 | durcyn | new ones might |
| 22:36.04 | durcyn | yeah, the x30 are amd64 |
| 22:36.18 | nevcairiel | apparently the atom-microarch is 64bit capable, but they limited it on most models |
| 22:36.41 | durcyn | and wtf, according to this, even the via nano are 64-bit now |
| 22:36.47 | durcyn | death to 32-bit |
| 22:36.47 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:36.55 | DWSR | indeed durcyn |
| 22:37.03 | DWSR | I'm hoping they rewrite WoW to be a 64bit bin. |
| 22:37.10 | DWSR | So that I don't fucking run into the rediculous memory limit. |
| 22:37.15 | nevcairiel | You keep hoping, wont happen |
| 22:37.19 | DWSR | I know. |
| 22:37.25 | DWSR | Good to have dreams. |
| 22:37.40 | nevcairiel | also, wtf do you people do to run into the limit |
| 22:37.42 | nevcairiel | never happend to me |
| 22:37.46 | durcyn | er, your client uses a 4 gig heap? |
| 22:37.50 | durcyn | that's kind of impressive |
| 22:37.59 | DWSR | durcyn: Mem limit on 32bit is 2GB |
| 22:38.17 | nevcairiel | do the math, 32bit can use more then 2gb |
| 22:38.36 | durcyn | individual process memory limit is 4GB with PAE, should be the same for emulation in a 64-bit OS |
| 22:38.45 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I'm not talking about running into a *physical* memory limit. I'm talking about a process memory limit. |
| 22:38.47 | nevcairiel | WoW isnt flagged for PAE, though |
| 22:38.57 | nevcairiel | but i think you can change that |
| 22:38.58 | tlund | and 1G of that goes for the kernel and 1G of that goes for the graphicscatd |
| 22:38.58 | durcyn | doesn't matter, it's abstracted in the kernel |
| 22:39.02 | nevcairiel | not sure if warden likes that |
| 22:39.13 | DWSR | tlund: 1GB of my memory certainlty does NOT go tot he graphics card. |
| 22:39.23 | tlund | DWSR: if you map in 1GB of it, it does |
| 22:39.48 | DWSR | tlund: That would sort of defeat the purpose of having onboard RAM on the GPU, now wouldn't it? :P |
| 22:39.54 | tlund | uuh |
| 22:39.55 | Gagorian | Why would you need to map 1GB to the graphics card? |
| 22:39.59 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 22:40.02 | tlund | never mind |
| 22:40.12 | DWSR | We aren't running some integrated graphics nonsense. |
| 22:40.21 | DWSR | We're real men with real graphics cards. |
| 22:40.37 | Gagorian | I'm not sure that qualifies as a definition for real men |
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| 22:40.45 | zenzelezz | device memory still needs to be addressable |
| 22:40.52 | durcyn | your penis is only as big as the heatsink on your video card |
| 22:41.06 | Gagorian | I use passive cooling on my GPU, is that good? |
| 22:41.11 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 22:41.13 | Dagmar | Good thing I'm using a full-length PCIe card then |
| 22:41.20 | DWSR | means you have a tiny penis Gagorian |
| 22:41.21 | DWSR | :P |
| 22:41.31 | DWSR | and that it's very passive. |
| 22:41.35 | Gagorian | Damn |
| 22:42.19 | Gagorian | It was stock actively cooled though, I just quadrupled the size of the sink |
| 22:42.28 | Gagorian | So, a good penis needs a fan, is that it? |
| 22:42.34 | DWSR | Absolutely. |
| 22:42.36 | DWSR | A dedicated fan. |
| 22:42.45 | DWSR | Sometimes, if it's big enough, it needs multiple fans. |
| 22:42.58 | DWSR | [/doubleentendre] |
| 22:43.04 | Gagorian | For maximum TPM? |
| 22:43.08 | Gagorian | Thrusts per minute |
| 22:43.18 | Gagorian | Ok I think this is getting out of hand |
| 22:43.24 | Gagorian | I'll go over there -> |
| 22:43.32 | DWSR | TPM broke it. |
| 22:43.38 | DWSR | I was well in the realm of innuendo. |
| 22:43.42 | DWSR | And you just broke it. :P |
| 22:44.12 | nevcairiel | Anyway, on the original topic, even with a 2GB process limit, i never reach that, and i run with full settings |
| 22:44.18 | Fisker | Can you feel the cold hand of death upon your heart? |
| 22:44.31 | DWSR | nevcairiel: You're lucky. |
| 22:44.40 | nevcairiel | You're doing something wrong if you reach that |
| 22:44.42 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I can break the 2GB mem limit without having it up all the way. |
| 22:44.43 | bleeter | still with the change realm bug? argh |
| 22:44.46 | Shadowed | nevcairiel I run 3 damage meters to make sure they are all accurate |
| 22:44.58 | nevcairiel | i barely cross 1.5gb, and no-one runs 500mb addons |
| 22:45.43 | bleeter | has anyone ever worked out what precisely causes the inability to change realms? |
| 22:46.02 | DWSR | Small genitalia?\ |
| 22:46.29 | Shadowed | bleeter: I always assumed it's some weird issue with too many requests or what not |
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| 22:48.15 | bleeter | Shadowed: I think it's a weird issue with crap code that they're too lazy to fix |
| 22:48.16 | tlund | nevcairiel: i run a 32bit wow on a 64bit windows7 system with lots of addon and it usually peeks at 1.8Gbyte |
| 22:48.27 | bleeter | thinking it's not gamebreaking but it turns me off from playing |
| 22:49.12 | bleeter | I should just jettison most of my toons |
| 22:49.23 | DWSR | ~addon kganels |
| 22:49.31 | nevcairiel | also, if you have memory issues, switch to the d3dex engine, it'll offload the texture memory into directx, thus not using the wow process limits |
| 22:49.46 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Yeah, I did use that fix and that seems to have helped a lot |
| 22:49.49 | Dagmar | You can switch graphics engines? |
| 22:49.53 | Dagmar | Interestin' |
| 22:50.09 | DWSR | what is the line? |
| 22:50.14 | nevcairiel | there is only 3 though, opengl, d3d and d3dex |
| 22:50.15 | DWSR | SET gxapi d3dex? |
| 22:50.30 | nevcairiel | SET gxApi "d3d9ex" |
| 22:50.39 | nevcairiel | forgot the 9 =) |
| 22:50.42 | DWSR | ah |
| 22:50.46 | tlund | nevcairiel: yeah, switched to d3d9ex 3 days ago :) |
| 22:51.00 | DWSR | Something keeps dropping it out of my Config.WTF |
| 22:51.58 | DWSR | which would explain a lot of things, actually. |
| 22:52.22 | DWSR | is gxApi a cvar? |
| 22:52.50 | DWSR | wait, wtf? |
| 22:52.54 | nevcairiel | of course, what else would it be |
| 22:52.57 | DWSR | WoW is removing that line every time it starts up |
| 22:53.00 | nevcairiel | all in config.wtf is cvars |
| 22:53.48 | Dagmar | Someone on the EU forums was having that problem, too http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11824416468&sid=1 |
| 22:54.00 | tlund | nevcairiel: is there a page that explains exactly what SET gxApi "d3d9ex" changes? |
| 22:54.01 | DWSR | !api cvar |
| 22:54.01 | lua_bot | Found 11 possible results for 'cvar': GetCVarMin, GetCVarInfo, GetCVarDefault, GetCVarBool, RegisterCVar, CVAR_UPDATE, GetCVarAbsoluteMax, GetCVarMax, SetCVar, GetCVarAbsoluteMin, GetCVar |
| 22:54.15 | nevcairiel | tlund: soem blue posts on the forums have some details |
| 22:54.22 | nevcairiel | maybe someone aggregated on wowwiki, no idea |
| 22:54.41 | jnwhiteh | whats the diff between ToC and ToGC? |
| 22:54.50 | jnwhiteh | _most_ cvars aren't documented anywhere. |
| 22:54.52 | nevcairiel | G is the hardmode |
| 22:54.55 | haste | jnwhiteh: heroic mode and normal |
| 22:54.55 | DWSR | GC is hardmode. |
| 22:55.02 | jnwhiteh | how much more difficult is it? |
| 22:55.08 | jnwhiteh | considering how stupid in toc 25 are =/ |
| 22:55.21 | jnwhiteh | tlund: it sets the graphics api to direct 3d version 9... "Ex" |
| 22:55.22 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 22:55.23 | zenzelezz | I thought d3d9ex was mostly a texture management thing |
| 22:55.41 | Shadowed | jnwhiteh: Last I heard the first 4 are easy, Anub is a pain |
| 22:55.42 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: it is, but thats what all this is about =P |
| 22:55.51 | DWSR | Hm, tip seems to have worked, thanks Dagmar |
| 22:56.11 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: then I misunderstood tlund's question |
| 22:56.33 | nevcairiel | you can still wonder wtf changes, cant you? =) |
| 22:57.04 | DWSR | !api vehicle |
| 22:57.04 | lua_bot | Found 48 possible matches for 'vehicle'. Please be more specific |
| 22:57.08 | Fisker | 10-man heroic = ez |
| 22:57.08 | DWSR | !api HasVehicleUI |
| 22:57.09 | lua_bot | UnitHasVehicleUI: Returns whether a unit is controlling a vehicle or vehicle weapon (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitHasVehicleUI) |
| 22:58.43 | Thunder_Child | >.< http://www.dailyfork.com/Diamond-Shreddies.jpg |
| 23:00.59 | DWSR | Welcome to last year. |
| 23:02.40 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: What's really sad isn't that they are just rebranding the same stuff... |
| 23:02.55 | Dagmar | It's that the people eating it apparently prefer them square. http://www.diamondshreddies.ca/index.php |
| 23:04.00 | Thunder_Child | there are no words to express the utter...just...i mean of all....Canadians. |
| 23:04.11 | Pneumatus | facepalms |
| 23:04.19 | Fisker | come on Thunder_Child lets go party |
| 23:04.40 | Thunder_Child | i dont party Fisker |
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| 23:12.51 | Shirik | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Carrier-Grade-Filtering-Technology-Barely-Used_W0QQitemZ280459798792QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Networking?hash=item414cb4e908 |
| 23:14.19 | jnwhiteh | I think I broke the stairs event in ZF. |
| 23:14.22 | jnwhiteh | I killed all the mobs |
| 23:14.27 | jnwhiteh | and now õthing is happening. |
| 23:14.42 | ZorbaTHut | jn, if you killed 'em super-fast, it takes a while to start the next wave |
| 23:14.55 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 23:14.59 | Pneumatus | Shirik: the best part is the series of pipes |
| 23:15.00 | ZorbaTHut | it's on a timer |
| 23:15.04 | jnwhiteh | nvm |
| 23:15.25 | Shadowed | jnwhiteh: They don't really build acceleration stuff into their timers |
| 23:15.26 | Shadowed | which is a shame |
| 23:16.04 | mikma | jnwhiteh: lol |
| 23:16.38 | mikma | jnwhiteh: just need to wait, we witnessed it long time agbo when we did 2x lvl80 mage run (boosted a friend) |
| 23:17.59 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 23:18.45 | mikma | errlol, 2xlvl70, back in tbc |
| 23:19.07 | DWSR | You can start the event timer, go clear the rest of the instance, and come back before the next wave spawns. |
| 23:19.17 | DWSR | true story. |
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| 23:23.47 | foxlit | fu, Undercity lift. |
| 23:24.31 | haste | owne |
| 23:24.42 | mikma | splat |
| 23:25.00 | Gagorian | Well worse is if the encounter breaks when you kill something too fast |
| 23:25.16 | Gagorian | Like scarlet monastery, you can kill the pally guy before he resses the bitch |
| 23:25.45 | Gagorian | Well, ok last I tested was at level 70 2 years ago, but I have no reason to believe it would've been fixed :D |
| 23:26.10 | mikma | gagorian: the bitch comes after you kill the pally |
| 23:26.26 | mikma | then she puts you in sleep and resses the pally |
| 23:26.53 | haste | Gagorian: last time I checked his HP just stopped at 0, without him dying |
| 23:27.39 | Gagorian | mikma: Oh yeah it was that way. Well then I meant you kill the bitch before he resses the pally |
| 23:27.45 | Gagorian | Like I said, it was two years ago |
| 23:27.46 | Gagorian | :p |
| 23:27.57 | Gagorian | he=she |
| 23:28.09 | mikma | haste: real deal: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/g_point_mouse.jpg |
| 23:28.30 | haste | D: |
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| 23:32.19 | Fisker | nice.... mouse |
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| 23:39.49 | Shishire | is there an addon which can tell me when I perform a pickpocket, and don't receive any loot from it? Just a message to the chat frame. |
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| 23:41.10 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
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| 23:42.28 | Fisker | slaps ckknight around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:42.39 | ckknight | rawr |
| 23:42.45 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 23:43.42 | Wobin | http://www.hammacher.com/Product/78372?cm_mmc=CJ-_-1414665-_-1492714-_-Hammacher+Homepage+88x31 |
| 23:43.45 | Wobin | awesome... |
| 23:43.53 | Wobin | and only 30 grand |
| 23:44.59 | Fisker | today is the day ckknight |
| 23:45.18 | ckknight | The day of aquarius! |
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| 23:46.44 | Fisker | or day of beta |
| 23:47.16 | ckknight | oh how I want it |
| 23:47.24 | ckknight | precious... |
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| 23:49.51 | Fisker | i want you ckknight |
| 23:50.00 | Zenkai_WrA | Heya. |
| 23:53.15 | DWSR | Also, day of the Olympics |
| 23:54.31 | ckknight | Olympics Schmolympics |
| 23:54.37 | ckknight | unless there's a zerg-on-protoss race, I just don't care |
| 23:54.52 | DWSR | huggles Gryphon |
| 23:54.56 | Gryphon | huggles DWSR |
| 23:55.07 | ckknight | I don't get hugs :( |
| 23:56.12 | Trela | hugs ckknight. |
| 23:56.20 | ckknight | woo |
| 23:56.24 | Trela | Though that might get awkward on Tuesday. |
| 23:56.33 | ckknight | what happens Tuesday? |
| 23:56.36 | ckknight | oh yea, you work with me. |
| 23:56.42 | Trela | :P |
| 23:57.05 | Fisker | btw |
| 23:57.06 | Fisker | rawr |
| 23:57.12 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 23:59.07 | Fisker | huggles Gryphon |
| 23:59.10 | Gryphon | huggles Fisker |
