| 00:00.36 | tlund | that Q4 + 2009 results conf call from a frew hours back, is available anywhere? not in http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/press/pressreleases.html atleast :( |
| 00:01.22 | kd3 | oh wow. me trying to sign up for the wow magazine triggered my bank's fraud alert |
| 00:01.41 | Thunder_Child | thats because it /is/ a fraud |
| 00:02.33 | cog|work | Hey Lopeppeppy! |
| 00:03.45 | alestane | Sneaky peppy comes back while I'm not looking. |
| 00:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: sure, give me a bit to change out of these work clothes |
| 00:04.42 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: mine went off just the other day... over a $30 charge |
| 00:05.06 | Thunder_Child | right ScytheBlade1, because i care how your dressed....why does it sould like we are going on a date >.< |
| 00:05.12 | Thunder_Child | you're* |
| 00:05.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: I care, as these clothes suck just in general |
| 00:05.37 | ScytheBlade1 | business attire is fail |
| 00:05.52 | Jerub | has anyone else seen this? http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Deprogramming |
| 00:06.45 | ScytheBlade1 | also, bnet authenticator for android = win |
| 00:06.46 | Lunessa | Jerub: I find that highly disturbing. More so than the torture quest. |
| 00:07.02 | Jerub | torture quest? |
| 00:07.13 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: oh, there is one now? is it on market? |
| 00:07.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Jerub: yes and yes |
| 00:08.26 | Jerub | *installs* |
| 00:08.33 | Jerub | it was an easy quest to do. |
| 00:08.45 | Jerub | just trying to confirm my wowwiki account so i can add a few notes about how to do it |
| 00:08.48 | Amarande | kd3: how long before plastic becomes useless and we start having to carry cash everywhere because there's a chance that banks will start going from fraud alerting to just outright declining charges at random thinking they're fraud? :S |
| 00:09.17 | Amarande | or worse, declining charges while you're traveling and expecting you to have access to your *home* phone to call them to accept it :) |
| 00:09.20 | Torhal | Amarande: You're just full of "what if" scenerios. :D |
| 00:09.31 | Thunder_Child | and they are always bad |
| 00:09.33 | Torhal | Aye |
| 00:09.41 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: what the hell, wowwiki just tried to take over my screen when i allowed javascript |
| 00:09.55 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: hey, don't ask me, i don't even have edit rights |
| 00:10.02 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: misbehaved advertisement? |
| 00:10.06 | Arrowmaster | you linked the page |
| 00:10.09 | Amarande | mal-wikicode? |
| 00:10.13 | Arrowmaster | i dont know what the fuck happened |
| 00:10.31 | Amarande | I know every now and then I'll be browsing pages at things like wikia and get whisked off to a smitfraud page for no good reason :S |
| 00:10.53 | Arrowmaster | it seriously put shit up, OUTSIDE THE BROWSER WINDOW! on every one of my virtual desktops |
| 00:10.55 | Amarande | yes, because my LINUX system would have a WINDOWS virus and require a WINDOWS virus scanner ... Fail fraud is fail |
| 00:11.41 | Torhal | Amarande: My GF got one of those the other day - she's on XP and the "My Computer" image was fucking Vista |
| 00:12.09 | Amarande | Yeah, it's not so much the fraud or the potential malware that irritates me |
| 00:12.22 | Amarande | as the fact that it generally makes the page I wanted to read unusable, because you get whisked off to the stupid thing as soon as you hit the page |
| 00:12.45 | Torhal | Yah |
| 00:13.21 | Amarande | I'm not sure if it's done through malicious ads or some kind of mal-wikicode, though |
| 00:13.26 | Amarande | Either could be the case on a Wikia wiki, however |
| 00:13.39 | Torhal | I thought I'd be able to waste some time installing Win7 on her machine while Gentoo was compiling on mine, but a quick look at her machine showed me that she didn't back up all that she'd want to keep. |
| 00:14.07 | Amarande | Torhal: rm /home/gf/littleblackbook.db |
| 00:14.25 | Torhal | Hah |
| 00:15.05 | Jerub | i'm just wondering how these raid quests work. |
| 00:15.08 | cbreak | bad java script is bad |
| 00:15.11 | Jerub | is it a random one for each raid? |
| 00:15.27 | cbreak | my guild did two 10 mans, we both got the same last week |
| 00:15.34 | Amarande | Jerub: the weeklies? |
| 00:15.34 | cbreak | could be a coincidence |
| 00:15.45 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23042294083&sid=1 |
| 00:15.48 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure they work like the old dailies did, except they're once a week for a specific raid target |
| 00:15.51 | kd3 | IC raid quests & |
| 00:15.53 | kd3 | IC raid quests ^ |
| 00:16.43 | Thunder_Child | hmm...the blizz store errors out on chrome |
| 00:17.13 | cbreak | I used Safari on the bliz store a few weeks ago to order an authenticator |
| 00:17.16 | cbreak | it's still not here |
| 00:17.28 | cbreak | ... *grumble* |
| 00:20.08 | Thunder_Child | Cloudwolf: i would guess SoCal |
| 00:20.47 | Amarande | cbreak: your package isn't trying to go to the netherlands antilles and getting routed through france repeatedly is it? :D |
| 00:20.58 | Cloudwolf | Was hoping so. Cus i just got "shipping" as my order status... hoping only gonna take a day from shipping heh... |
| 00:21.11 | cbreak | no idea. There's no tracking on authenticator orders :/ |
| 00:21.15 | Cloudwolf | haha i can't even track it amarancde ups doesn't register the code :P |
| 00:21.25 | Cloudwolf | but meh. Oh well |
| 00:21.43 | cbreak | they send them postally |
| 00:21.51 | Thunder_Child | Cloudwolf: well the palce for returns is irvine |
| 00:21.55 | Thunder_Child | place |
| 00:22.04 | Cloudwolf | Well then i should hope it be here tomarrow |
| 00:23.18 | Thunder_Child | i think ScytheBlade1 is female. |
| 00:23.27 | Cloudwolf | If i had a choice to pay shipping n handling and get it garunteed 2 day delivery or something i woulda chose that option. |
| 00:23.52 | Jerub | so deprogramming was quite easy. |
| 00:24.05 | Jerub | our 3rd tank had something to do during the fight |
| 00:24.08 | cbreak | we had an easy one in 25 today |
| 00:24.15 | Jerub | cbreak: which one? |
| 00:24.17 | cbreak | kill some additional mob after second boss |
| 00:24.26 | cbreak | fun fight |
| 00:24.32 | cbreak | won't spoil it for you :) |
| 00:24.40 | Jerub | hah |
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| 00:31.16 | Cloudwolf | hmmm de dum dum.... |
| 00:32.18 | Cloudwolf | http://translationparty.com/#6464405 |
| 00:32.20 | Cloudwolf | O.o |
| 00:33.19 | Kraps | Paragon Shep is much less cheesy in ME2 |
| 00:33.25 | Kraps | which is nice |
| 00:40.30 | A-KO | Question of the day: Why is Tirion Fordring taller than a fucking tauren? |
| 00:40.52 | Thunder_Child | because he is cool like that |
| 00:41.38 | Cloudwolf | because hes been genetically mutated by the forsaken and bread with a tauren int he form of a human. |
| 00:41.40 | Lopeppeppy | Ask who his momma was. :) |
| 00:43.05 | Amarande | And exactly *what* is it about Light's Hope Chapel that makes it Scourge-proof? |
| 00:43.18 | Amarande | I'm not sure they've ever quite explained, or ever will explain exactly what its power source is :S |
| 00:43.50 | Lopeppeppy | I think it was where some legendary weapon was stored or something. |
| 00:45.13 | Arrowmaster | i thought there was a narru or something sleeping under the ground |
| 00:45.49 | Cloudwolf | Arn't the narru from another plane of existence? |
| 00:46.07 | Cloudwolf | the same plane as the Draenei or how ever you spell the space goats names |
| 00:47.21 | foxlit | Amarande: it's explained. |
| 00:48.02 | foxlit | Although in odd places -- the Ashbringer comic. |
| 00:48.05 | Amarande | Yeah, Naaru are from Outland, and seem to be extremely rare creatures |
| 00:48.37 | Amarande | let's see, there's M'uru, there's A'dal, and there's the one in Exodar |
| 00:48.42 | Amarande | I can't even think of any other in existence right now |
| 00:49.04 | Arrowmaster | they arent from outland |
| 00:49.17 | Arrowmaster | i can think of a lot |
| 00:49.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: syncing some torrent data and then rebooting |
| 00:49.47 | Arrowmaster | there is one in nagrand, there is one in a dungeon in terrokar |
| 00:50.12 | Arrowmaster | there is one outside black temple, one on sunwell island |
| 00:50.25 | Amarande | wait and you said they're not from outland? :) |
| 00:50.35 | Amarande | Draenor and Outland *are the same place* :S |
| 00:50.43 | Amarande | well, at least what's left of it lol |
| 00:50.47 | Arrowmaster | right, but they arent from there |
| 00:50.51 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: is the only thing you reboot for games? |
| 00:50.56 | Arrowmaster | or not exclusively from there |
| 00:50.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: yup |
| 00:51.06 | Arrowmaster | they just show up there a lot because they were added during that expansion |
| 00:51.21 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: just get another computer, oyu dont need the hardware for the other os (it would seem) |
| 00:51.26 | Thunder_Child | you* |
| 00:51.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: I'd disagree, as I love me some linux |
| 00:52.04 | Arrowmaster | for example everytime a paly or priest uses the power of the light to cast holy spells they are using power given to them by the narru, so the narru have been influencing azeroth for thousands of years |
| 00:52.17 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: ummm...you didnt disagree with me |
| 00:52.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I *don't* need the hardware? |
| 00:52.53 | Amarande | wait, I thought it was only the blood elf paladins that exploited the Naaru for their power |
| 00:52.54 | Thunder_Child | beefy hardware |
| 00:52.59 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:53.07 | ScytheBlade1 | nah I need beefy hardware |
| 00:53.15 | Thunder_Child | for linux? |
| 00:53.31 | Arrowmaster | they just forcibly took it |
| 00:53.44 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 00:53.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I have gigs and gigs of source code around |
| 00:54.22 | Thunder_Child | yes, and that needs a high end video card |
| 00:54.29 | ScytheBlade1 | plus I do awesome things like play 11x 720p movies full-size at the same time |
| 00:54.31 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/boat.png |
| 00:54.47 | Arrowmaster | done it |
| 00:55.32 | ScytheBlade1 | loading up now |
| 00:56.05 | Thunder_Child | actually that looks like the same movie 11 times |
| 00:56.06 | ScytheBlade1 | and I'm in |
| 00:56.12 | ScytheBlade1 | it is |
| 00:56.25 | Arrowmaster | i loaded up like 11 different episodes of macross frontier |
| 00:56.39 | Arrowmaster | as one of the very first things i did with this computer |
| 00:58.30 | Cloudwolf | i need a new computer rofl |
| 00:59.02 | Cloudwolf | i think i can run 1 game and a music player or a video player at the same time (1 movie 1 game) lol and my fps isn't so great :D |
| 00:59.36 | Arrowmaster | the movies is only because its linux with nvidia cards |
| 01:00.02 | Arrowmaster | vdpau has got to be the best video decoder available currently |
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| 01:00.24 | Arrowmaster | blows the shit outa DXVA's limited usability |
| 01:01.39 | Cloudwolf | meh im using windows when i build my next rig i might dual boot |
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| 01:13.44 | Cloudwolf | woo servers plits? |
| 01:13.58 | Lopeppeppy | Where? |
| 01:15.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: brb, gotta check on dinner |
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| 01:17.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik needs to find his disc and play too |
| 01:17.20 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 01:17.31 | Thunder_Child | or just buy it again |
| 01:17.54 | ScytheBlade1 | TC is tired of losing ;) |
| 01:18.10 | Thunder_Child | let me know when you are ready for another go |
| 01:18.41 | ScytheBlade1 | dinner is ready it seems |
| 01:20.13 | ScytheBlade1 | but after, yeah |
| 01:20.21 | Thunder_Child | rough eta? |
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| 01:21.41 | ScytheBlade1 | 30 |
| 01:21.49 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 01:22.19 | Cloudwolf | lost disc to what? |
| 01:22.49 | ScytheBlade1 | red alert 3 |
| 01:23.01 | Cloudwolf | oh hmm never bought red alert 3 |
| 01:23.12 | Cloudwolf | i loved red alert 2 though loved making navy seals on that one multiplayer map |
| 01:23.57 | Thunder_Child | http://notalwaysright.com/burn-me-twice-flame-on-me/4192 >.< |
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| 01:28.35 | cog|away | Hey peppy! |
| 01:28.55 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/some-customers-never-let-you-down/4182 you've got to be KIDDING me... |
| 01:29.46 | cogwheel | i would've walked her up the stairs in a snarky huff |
| 01:29.47 | Shirik | pokes Lopeppeppy |
| 01:29.53 | cogwheel | tickles Lopeppeppy |
| 01:29.57 | tardmrr | I hate world events so goddamn much |
| 01:30.00 | tardmrr | they're NEVER bug free |
| 01:30.12 | awweaver | ... |
| 01:30.12 | tardmrr | and teh bug is almost always a server stability killer |
| 01:30.20 | Shadowed | alestane: haha |
| 01:30.28 | awweaver | want some cheese witht aht whine? |
| 01:30.37 | awweaver | with that* |
| 01:30.50 | tardmrr | When you can't raid because all the morons on your server are doing some bullshit holiday, get back to me |
| 01:31.34 | awweaver | doesnt raid too often so i dont really care |
| 01:33.16 | awweaver | Every time ive tried to go on a pug raid, it flops, so ive decided to only do guild raids and those dont happen too often |
| 01:33.47 | awweaver | more so lately though, but we lost one of the biggest raiders int eh guild cause hes in school so.. |
| 01:34.11 | cogwheel | coughs *grounding totem* |
| 01:34.55 | Jerub | awweaver: i pug so many raids every week. |
| 01:35.10 | awweaver | good fo ru, i take it they go well? |
| 01:35.50 | cogwheel | i wish you could do at least some of the older instances Dungeon Finder style... |
| 01:36.00 | cogwheel | s/instances/raids/ |
| 01:36.40 | awweaver | ? wu |
| 01:36.42 | awweaver | wuh |
| 01:36.43 | Lopeppeppy | cogwheel, I'll be back once the stitches are out!! |
| 01:36.52 | Jerub | awweaver: not always! |
| 01:36.58 | cogwheel | I've only been inside Nax once or twice... I didn't start gearing up for raiding until after the Epic vending machine that is ToC was already well-established |
| 01:37.13 | Jerub | cogwheel: some of the naxx fights are fun. |
| 01:37.15 | cogwheel | only been to a few of the bosses in uld |
| 01:37.19 | Lopeppeppy | Hi shirik. |
| 01:37.21 | alestane | Hence why I've NEVER been into Ulduar.... |
| 01:37.25 | Jerub | cogwheel: now when the weekly is naxx we go and smash a wing or two. |
| 01:37.25 | Shirik | hi |
| 01:37.38 | cogwheel | (i never even saw Naxx in the world before Wrath) |
| 01:37.44 | Jerub | i've only been as far as crazy cat lady in uld. |
| 01:37.50 | Jerub | and haven't taken down iron council. |
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| 01:38.14 | KarlKFI | why are we bragging about how non-hardcore we are? |
| 01:38.32 | awweaver | the 2 times that ive puggged naxx, 1) the loot master dced and every one QQ, 2) the group fell about after the boss kill, no loot on either, i did get my emblems though... |
| 01:38.34 | cogwheel | MINES SHORTER!! |
| 01:39.05 | Lopeppeppy | I was looking for you earlier to convey my happy to the Mrs., cogwheel. Did ya? |
| 01:39.11 | Jerub | heh, twice now i've gone and tanked naxx just so that some recently popped 80s could get badges achievements and gears. |
| 01:39.16 | cogwheel | I had a feeling that's what was going on =) |
| 01:39.26 | cogwheel | "thank you =)" |
| 01:39.29 | Jerub | i felt bad outdoing their dps a tiny bit. |
| 01:39.29 | Lopeppeppy | You're wicked smart. |
| 01:40.28 | cogwheel | i never feel bad outdoing people in dps as a tank ;) |
| 01:40.39 | cogwheel | s/as a tank// |
| 01:40.44 | DWSR | Jesus. |
| 01:40.50 | DWSR | why can't Java classes be like Lua tables. |
| 01:41.06 | awweaver | I say as long as you keep the thign from eating people faces do as much dmg as u want |
| 01:41.07 | cogwheel | and vice versa, quoth the java dev |
| 01:41.26 | cbreak | because java is a heavy weight language |
| 01:41.31 | Jerub | at least healers know to swap to DPS spec when they gorup with me in VH :) |
| 01:41.35 | cbreak | lua tables are light weight |
| 01:41.47 | DWSR | cbreak: Apparently, you can't iterate over all of an object's fields in java without opening up your code to serious buttrape. |
| 01:41.50 | cogwheel | dk or pally? |
| 01:42.26 | cbreak | I can see why |
| 01:42.38 | cbreak | java classes have private: and public: like C++ too? |
| 01:42.40 | cogwheel | DWSR: that's intentional |
| 01:42.59 | cogwheel | time to start thinking about the problem a bit differently imo |
| 01:43.27 | DWSR | cogwheel: Not really. I'm just trying to extend code reuse. |
| 01:43.38 | cogwheel | ~wiki design patterns |
| 01:43.51 | Amarande | lemme guess, by 'serious buttrape' you mean things like ACEE's. :) |
| 01:44.14 | DWSR | cogwheel: It's trivial to achieve what I want in another way, it just seems like something that should be very easy in Java. |
| 01:45.03 | Gnarfoz | rages |
| 01:45.15 | Gnarfoz | PEM format for SSL certs |
| 01:45.33 | Amarande | PEM? |
| 01:45.42 | cogwheel | DWSR: in .Net it's called reflection. It's intended more for tool designers than application developers (though there are certainly some special cases where it comes in handy) |
| 01:45.42 | Gnarfoz | base64 encoded DER |
| 01:45.45 | cbreak | security researches have to have something to make fun of :D |
| 01:45.52 | Amarande | and this is bad because? |
| 01:46.03 | DWSR | cogwheel: It's called Reflection in Java as well. |
| 01:46.04 | Shirik | base 64 enodes Gnarfoz |
| 01:46.10 | Gnarfoz | openssl expects them certificate chain to be in top-down order, postfix (and other software) bottom-up... |
| 01:46.40 | PProvost | FYI, .NET also has a thing called Introspection that doesn't require full loading of the types in the assembly |
| 01:46.49 | PProvost | But that is probably divergent from your points. :) |
| 01:47.00 | Gnarfoz | my cert -> intermediate -> ca (works, but fails openssl verify) vs. ca -> intermediate -> my cert (doesn't work, but openssl verify likes it) |
| 01:47.02 | cogwheel | DWSR: as far as code reuse goes, you definitely should take a quick gander at the wiki page on design patterns. You might find a whole new way of thinking about the problem |
| 01:47.05 | DWSR | PProvost: As I'm not dealing with .Net, nope. |
| 01:47.22 | Amarande | so openssl wants to verify that your keychain doesn't work? :) |
| 01:47.31 | cogwheel | my philosophy is always use the path of least resistance in a language (well, maybe unless it's C++) |
| 01:47.46 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: err ^^ |
| 01:48.18 | Amarande | well, I can see the security advantage to that |
| 01:48.24 | Amarande | you can't exploit a keychain that doesn't work :D |
| 01:48.34 | cogwheel | the original design patterns owe a good deal of their existence to Java, fwiw |
| 01:48.37 | Amarande | of course, that's basically the "unplug it from the wall" school of security heh |
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| 01:48.46 | Jerub | the GoF book? |
| 01:48.51 | cogwheel | ya |
| 01:49.08 | Jerub | man, i want to give my design patterns rant, but i don't think this is the right audience. |
| 01:49.13 | Jerub | either choir or irrelvent. :) |
| 01:49.15 | DWSR | cogwheel: Meh, I'll just make due with super |
| 01:49.15 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: but it works... its just that software seems to not agree on the order the chain should be presented in ;X |
| 01:49.51 | cogwheel | Jerub: tool for a job, imo... he specifically mentioned code reuse ;) |
| 01:50.06 | Arrowmaster | i use the worst design pattern because its the only one i can use, design it as you go |
| 01:50.40 | cogwheel | then again, if you really want the power of code reuse, you'd go functional |
| 01:50.43 | cogwheel | :P |
| 01:55.14 | DWSR | cogwheel: This amount of code reuse is nice, tbh. |
| 01:55.24 | DWSR | Though |
| 01:55.31 | DWSR | It's fucking retarded having interfaces that define 1 function. |
| 01:55.36 | DWSR | That are implemented by 1 class. |
| 01:55.42 | Shirik | The GoF book is a bible to me |
| 01:55.44 | Shirik | that is all |
| 01:55.50 | DWSR | ~gof |
| 01:55.51 | purl | gof is, like, Olivier Goffart |
| 01:55.54 | DWSR | .. |
| 01:55.54 | Shirik | .... |
| 01:55.55 | cogwheel | DWSR: yeah, <3 duck typing imo ;) |
| 01:55.55 | DWSR | GoF? |
| 01:56.01 | cogwheel | !g gof |
| 01:56.01 | batbot | cogwheel: Design Patterns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_Patterns> |
| 01:56.08 | alestane | Gang of Four |
| 01:56.08 | cogwheel | gang of four |
| 01:56.14 | cogwheel | is a nickname for the people who wrote that book |
| 01:56.24 | DWSR | Thank you wikip....I meant cogwheel. |
| 01:56.40 | DWSR | purl, no, gof is Gang of Four. |
| 01:56.41 | purl | okay, DWSR |
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| 01:56.57 | Shirik | purl, no, gof is Erich Gamma, Richard Helm, Ralph Johnson and John Vlissides, also known as the "Gang of Four," authors of "Design Patterns" |
| 01:56.58 | purl | okay, Shirik |
| 01:57.00 | cogwheel | don't MAKE me whip out http://lmgtfy.com |
| 01:57.38 | Shirik | and Jerub |
| 01:57.43 | Shirik | if you do not believe it is a bible, I will destroy you |
| 01:57.47 | Shirik | or have Lopeppeppy destroy you |
| 01:58.03 | Lopeppeppy | bares her teeth. Fear the wrath! |
| 01:58.14 | cogwheel | /popcorn |
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| 01:58.23 | cogwheel | yay action movie |
| 01:58.25 | KarlKFI | http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ShowTrialOfTheGangOfFour |
| 01:58.42 | Shirik | and fwiw, the design patterns book was made for C++, not Java, cogwheel :P |
| 01:58.47 | KarlKFI | "The Accused, by making it possible to design object-oriented programs in C++, have inhibited the rightful growth of competing object-oriented languages such as http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SmalltalkLanguage, http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?CommonLisp, and http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?JavaLanguage." |
| 01:59.13 | cogwheel | Shirik: well fu then |
| 01:59.13 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:59.18 | cogwheel | sicks Lopeppeppy on himself |
| 01:59.21 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 01:59.22 | cogwheel | >.> |
| 01:59.22 | Arrowmaster | so if i was an actual computer science major would i know what all of these design patterns and refactoring techniques listed actually mean? |
| 01:59.27 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 01:59.41 | KarlKFI | Arrowmaster: "The Accused have engaged in an usurpation of perfectly good English words and well-known technical terms for the purpose of establishing an arcane argot known only to a narrow circle of GoF initiates." |
| 02:00.00 | cogwheel | Arrowmaster: probably not |
| 02:00.14 | cbreak | Objective-C is the perfect mix between the assemblerlyness of C with the syntax of SmallTalk |
| 02:00.31 | cogwheel | KarlKFI: agreed :P |
| 02:00.34 | cbreak | and it's actually used :) |
| 02:00.39 | *** join/#wowuidev p3lim (~Miranda@85.108.34.95.customer.cdi.no) |
| 02:00.42 | KarlKFI | it's onyl a perfect mix if the syntax of smalltalk doesn't make you want to gouge out your eyes |
| 02:00.45 | Shirik | screw Objective-C |
| 02:00.55 | Arrowmaster | this is why i just want to stick with stuff like networking, security, and protocol design |
| 02:00.56 | Shadowed | Arrowmaster: or if you did, you'd forget about it all in a week anyway |
| 02:01.11 | cogwheel | renames Zooey Deschanel "Objective-C" |
| 02:01.13 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: No |
| 02:01.16 | Shirik | I don't memorize them |
| 02:01.20 | Shirik | however I reference that book frequently |
| 02:01.27 | Shirik | That book is intended to be, and is, a reference book |
| 02:01.49 | Shirik | it tells you why you would use a given pattern, why you wouldn't, and how to do it |
| 02:02.18 | Shirik | Quiz time |
| 02:02.20 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: this is me remember, i have a weird memory and can remember exact details about things 10 years later but forget other shit like what day of the week it is |
| 02:02.24 | Shirik | Name your favorite design pattern, go! |
| 02:02.28 | Shirik | my vote: Visitor |
| 02:02.40 | Shadowed | I mash keys and get a design |
| 02:02.46 | Shadowed | I call it the Monkey design pattern |
| 02:02.56 | Shirik | stabs Shadowed |
| 02:02.59 | Shadowed | :P |
| 02:03.01 | Shirik | this is why we can't have nice things |
| 02:03.07 | Shadowed | Arrowmaster: time, a programmers enemy |
| 02:03.13 | KarlKFI | StatePattern, duh |
| 02:03.21 | cbreak | I like producer-consumer pattern. |
| 02:03.25 | cbreak | even though I've never used it |
| 02:03.30 | cbreak | but it is one of the few I remember :) |
| 02:03.33 | Shirik | state is wierd |
| 02:03.46 | Shirik | I don't think I've ever used it to actually represent a "state" |
| 02:03.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: find disc |
| 02:04.01 | Torhal | DWSR: Gentoo made me realize just how much I'd forgotten about Linux over the years. Urk. |
| 02:04.01 | Shirik | well I guess it was a state |
| 02:04.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: sorry, 30m more... need to clean up |
| 02:04.04 | Shirik | but not in a state machine |
| 02:04.11 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 02:04.17 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry |
| 02:04.18 | Shirik | Torhal: Cmon gentoo is beautiful |
| 02:04.21 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 02:04.26 | Shadowed | I really need to stop losing my wire frames for UIs |
| 02:04.28 | Shadowed | stupid paper |
| 02:04.33 | ScytheBlade1 | either I have clothes tomorrow or I don't |
| 02:04.38 | Shirik | incorrect |
| 02:04.42 | Torhal | Shirik: I didn't say it was bad, but it's been roughly 10 years since I was compiling everything I ran |
| 02:04.46 | Shirik | this requires that tomorrow will exist |
| 02:04.50 | Shirik | you have no proof that tomorrow will exist |
| 02:04.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: find. disc. |
| 02:05.03 | ScytheBlade1 | or as TC said |
| 02:05.05 | Shirik | prove tomorrow exists |
| 02:05.06 | ScytheBlade1 | buy it again |
| 02:05.11 | ScytheBlade1 | 42 |
| 02:05.14 | ScytheBlade1 | now find it |
| 02:05.48 | Torhal | My biggest problem is that I absolutely hate text web browsers, so figuring out why startx errors and yet X starts fine is a pain in my ass. |
| 02:06.27 | Shadowed | Shirik: tomorrow exists because it's a term we use meaning the upcoming day |
| 02:06.51 | Shirik | there is no proof that will occur |
| 02:07.14 | Ancu | shirik is right |
| 02:07.16 | Shadowed | if I push you off a cliff at 11:59, will you hit the ground tomorrow! |
| 02:07.19 | A-KO | hmmm |
| 02:07.20 | Shirik | damn right I'm right |
| 02:07.20 | cbreak | proof will manifest itself in time |
| 02:07.22 | Shirik | I'm always right |
| 02:07.24 | A-KO | healing touch versus full hots + nourish bomb |
| 02:07.26 | Shirik | Shadowed: You cannot prove that |
| 02:07.26 | WobWork | The sun will come out, tomorrow |
| 02:07.27 | Shadowed | or will you live because tomorrow doesn't exist |
| 02:07.30 | Ancu | cant believe i just said that |
| 02:07.33 | Shadowed | Shirik: That sounds like a good defense to me |
| 02:07.35 | Shadowed | want to go to a cliff? |
| 02:07.38 | Shirik | sure |
| 02:07.39 | Shirik | let's go |
| 02:08.21 | Arrowmaster | i decided to check if debian still had a startx, it seems it does but its got a comment in it saying its just a sample and administrators are advised to write a new version if its actually going to be used |
| 02:08.39 | Shirik | because debian is shit |
| 02:08.45 | WobWork | A-KO: latter is more forgiving towards casting slowdowns |
| 02:08.45 | Ancu | how do you know, without a doubt, that a tree makes a sound if no one hears it.....i mean if Chuck Norris didn't exist of coarse |
| 02:08.55 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/vw?sem=222293082;&gclid=CNuVipGV6Z8CFegL5QodFGqkHA |
| 02:08.57 | WobWork | awesome ad |
| 02:09.28 | cogwheel | omg sc2 beta this month |
| 02:09.42 | Ancu | 0_0 srsly? open? |
| 02:09.45 | cogwheel | please let it be the blizzcon 08 beta keys |
| 02:10.03 | Lopeppeppy | I am sad. |
| 02:10.17 | cogwheel | pourquoi? |
| 02:10.19 | Lopeppeppy | If I get it, I can download and pretend to play... but not really, until March at least. Dumb hand. |
| 02:10.21 | Shadowed | talk to Shirik Lopeppeppy, I'm sure he can figure out a way of making sadness not exist! |
| 02:10.24 | Ancu | D: lopeppeppy is said! |
| 02:10.26 | cogwheel | QQ |
| 02:10.27 | Ancu | sad* |
| 02:10.36 | cogwheel | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 02:10.37 | purl | ACTION hugs Lopeppeppy tightly until Lopeppeppy turns slightly blue |
| 02:10.42 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 02:10.42 | purl | :), Lopeppeppy |
| 02:10.57 | WobWork | Smurfepeppy? |
| 02:11.40 | Ancu | so, is the sc2 beta open? and do we have a link to info? |
| 02:11.56 | foxlit | Curse you, late game moral choices. |
| 02:12.11 | foxlit | Can't even discuss those without massive spoilers. |
| 02:12.13 | Lopeppeppy | Ancu, it was in the Blizzard Starcraft Twitter fedd. |
| 02:12.51 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe on their Facebook site too. |
| 02:12.57 | Ancu | uuuuum, can i please have a link to the twitter feed? Im a bit twitter iliterate |
| 02:13.11 | cogwheel | facbeook imo |
| 02:13.22 | cogwheel | dunno where else they announced it |
| 02:13.45 | Lopeppeppy | http://twitter.com/StarCraft |
| 02:13.58 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* why does chineese food make me hungry |
| 02:13.59 | Lopeppeppy | announcement, no link. |
| 02:14.08 | Ancu | ty |
| 02:14.39 | Lopeppeppy | http://forums.battle.net/board.html?forumId=12009&sid=3000 |
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| 02:16.53 | Flowy | hellou |
| 02:17.12 | Flowy | I found this "formula" resilienceEffect = ReverseRating(resilience, playerLevel) * 0.01 |
| 02:17.27 | Flowy | can someone explain what is ReverseRating? |
| 02:18.04 | cogwheel | ~wiki context |
| 02:18.23 | Flowy | ~wiki ReverseRating |
| 02:18.32 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 02:19.15 | cogwheel | Flowy: that was a hint to give more of an explanation :P where did you find it? Have you tried to look to see what's being done with that value? |
| 02:19.15 | Thunder_Child | Flowy: that was cogwheel's sublte way of saying, where did you find said forumla |
| 02:19.27 | Flowy | http://www.wowwiki.com/Tanking_Points |
| 02:19.31 | Thunder_Child | subtle* |
| 02:19.43 | Flowy | Mob Spell Crit Chance |
| 02:19.43 | Flowy | mobSpellCritChance = max(0, 0 - resilienceEffect) |
| 02:20.47 | Flowy | if it return max value from 0 and 0-resilience reduction then its 0 |
| 02:20.55 | Flowy | but what is ReverserRating? |
| 02:21.58 | cogwheel | it was whatever that version of Tanking Points wanted it to be? |
| 02:22.19 | cogwheel | i just googled reverserating and there are patch notes about ReverseRating.lua being removed... /shrug |
| 02:22.38 | Lopeppeppy | Since that entry was from October 2008, that doesn't surprise me. |
| 02:23.38 | Flowy | then mob chance to crit is 0 right? |
| 02:23.44 | Flowy | (with spells) |
| 02:24.01 | cogwheel | that doesn't follow |
| 02:24.10 | cogwheel | but i don't know the answer |
| 02:24.56 | cbreak | mobs can not crit with spells |
| 02:26.23 | Flowy | ok thanks |
| 02:28.24 | cogwheel | is it possible to nest ne.... pas in french? (yes this is utterly random) |
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| 02:29.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: okay I'm good for another round |
| 02:29.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: hint |
| 02:29.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: hint |
| 02:30.02 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 02:30.09 | cogwheel | doesn't want to know |
| 02:30.22 | ScytheBlade1 | mission accomplished |
| 02:30.29 | Thunder_Child | lies cogwheel, now you want to |
| 02:30.45 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: havew red alert 3? |
| 02:30.53 | cogwheel | hmm? |
| 02:30.54 | Shirik | can I just get it through steam? |
| 02:31.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: yes |
| 02:31.09 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: i don't follow gaming, really |
| 02:31.22 | cogwheel | only reason i tried wow is because i heard about it on a talk radio show... |
| 02:31.29 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: cleaely, it is about a year+ old |
| 02:31.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 02:31.39 | ScytheBlade1 | *clearly |
| 02:32.13 | cogwheel | oh i got New SMB the other week... |
| 02:32.15 | cogwheel | XD |
| 02:33.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:45.18 | Adys | oh nevcairiel |
| 02:45.20 | Adys | I'm an idiot |
| 02:45.43 | Adys | to answer your earlier question, every single app on google app engine uses django |
| 02:58.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: terror drones > face |
| 03:00.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: though your early game was quite good |
| 03:00.33 | Thunder_Child | my eairly game is always better than yours |
| 03:00.43 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
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| 03:01.19 | ScytheBlade1 | but that was a very good early game for you... camping my xpac =( |
| 03:02.15 | Thunder_Child | well you did send it out there alone |
| 03:02.17 | ScytheBlade1 | one thing you probably missed though, was that I relocated my mcv |
| 03:02.24 | Thunder_Child | i got it |
| 03:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 03:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | getting that would have hurt =( |
| 03:02.45 | Thunder_Child | though tbh, i didnt know was which xpac base was mine and which was yours |
| 03:02.50 | Thunder_Child | so i just tried to take both |
| 03:03.05 | ScytheBlade1 | neither were "owned" |
| 03:03.19 | Thunder_Child | i kno,w but quite often it is obvious |
| 03:03.26 | Thunder_Child | via distance and whatnot |
| 03:03.32 | ScytheBlade1 | true |
| 03:04.25 | ScytheBlade1 | the terror drones won that for me |
| 03:05.58 | cbreak | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/02/starcraft-2-beta-begins-this-month-game-coming-mid-2010.ars |
| 03:06.28 | Amarande | man, wikipedia people are annoying sometimes about format |
| 03:06.48 | Amarande | there is a section in this article, where THREE of the four paragraphs begin with "According to (name of source)" |
| 03:06.57 | Amarande | and yet, the section is headed with "This section does not cite any references or sources" |
| 03:06.57 | Amarande | FAIL |
| 03:08.09 | ScytheBlade1 | oh man, I JUST missed your second mcv |
| 03:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I did more damage than I thought |
| 03:08.30 | Arrowmaster | they only consider it cited if it links to an external website |
| 03:10.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: done for tonight |
| 03:11.30 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: me or you? |
| 03:11.32 | ScytheBlade1 | me |
| 03:11.33 | shifuimam | well, RoM's economy has bottomed out on the server i play |
| 03:11.40 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 03:11.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I am done for tonight |
| 03:12.05 | DWSR | Amarande: Is a specific article cited? |
| 03:12.11 | DWSR | Amarande: Or is it just "according to x"\ |
| 03:12.15 | DWSR | Because "According to x" is not a citation |
| 03:12.25 | Amarande | "According to statistics by (source)" |
| 03:12.31 | DWSR | Not a citation |
| 03:12.57 | Amarande | wait, stating the source your info comes from isn't a citation? |
| 03:13.10 | DWSR | It depends on how you cite. |
| 03:13.27 | Kraps | omg so cute! http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php |
| 03:13.34 | DWSR | Amarande: *that* is not a citation |
| 03:13.36 | Bibi | I know |
| 03:13.43 | Bibi | I think you're cute Kraps. |
| 03:13.54 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.55 | Arrowmaster | its not, if you tried to do that on an college paper you would fail the paper |
| 03:14.02 | DWSR | Amarande: If there was a footnote that had a link to an article where x had statistics, then yes, it's a citation |
| 03:14.38 | foxlit | Hey, it's not a citation unless it's a verbatim reproduction of text. |
| 03:14.49 | foxlit | "According to" is typically prefix for a reference. |
| 03:15.48 | Arrowmaster | its kinda an inline citation but inline citations must match up to a works cited entry in a college paper |
| 03:15.53 | alestane | http://us.media.blizzard.com/starcraft2/images/screenshots/ss103-hires.jpg first shot I've seen of the Carrier in SC2 previews. |
| 03:16.24 | Arrowmaster | thats too shinny |
| 03:16.26 | Adys | in the category "things I hate with google buzz", not linking original feeds when it's from twitter is pretty annoying |
| 03:16.28 | Arrowmaster | its artwork |
| 03:16.29 | foxlit | Needs more AA |
| 03:16.52 | Arrowmaster | what is google buzz? |
| 03:17.15 | Adys | some sort of twitter |
| 03:17.25 | Adys | except it scraps other services too |
| 03:17.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: bah, watching the replay.. I screwed up big :( |
| 03:18.19 | Thunder_Child | you still won |
| 03:18.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: I didn't rebuild a collector, and in the end, I never sent my terror drones in |
| 03:18.32 | A-KO | okay |
| 03:18.36 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah but not rebuilding a collector |
| 03:18.39 | A-KO | what sort of healer rotation do you use on dreamwalker? |
| 03:18.39 | ScytheBlade1 | epic fail |
| 03:18.41 | A-KO | if any? |
| 03:19.00 | foxlit | Pick some people to go in portals. |
| 03:19.05 | foxlit | End of strategy. |
| 03:19.09 | A-KO | we're doing a 4x2 strat...... |
| 03:19.20 | A-KO | 4 out 2 in |
| 03:19.26 | A-KO | rotating |
| 03:19.49 | foxlit | I don't think rotating is actually beneficial -- don't people lose stacks that way? |
| 03:20.03 | Arrowmaster | can we just do away with the stupid twitter idea |
| 03:20.03 | Arrowmaster | places need to stop using it as a replacement for rss |
| 03:20.04 | Amarande | in-text citations are the DEVIL |
| 03:20.04 | Amarande | I really don't know why they forced us to use them in HS |
| 03:20.04 | Amarande | every decent word processor supports proper footnotes, so does LaTeX |
| 03:20.04 | Amarande | in fact, they tend to support them *better* than in-text crap |
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| 03:21.26 | cbreak | LaTeX has \begin{cite}, the cite environment |
| 03:21.33 | cbreak | and the same with citation |
| 03:21.41 | cbreak | both in text :) |
| 03:23.01 | Shirik | (22:19:52) (Arrowmaster) can we just do away with the stupid twitter idea |
| 03:23.03 | Shirik | QFT |
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| 03:23.36 | DWSR | mhm |
| 03:23.58 | cbreak | RSS? |
| 03:24.53 | alestane | It makes a certain amount of sense for an individual who just wants to throw out quick status updates. Then businesses had to get on board just because it was a place people were looking for information and updates, rather than because it was a suitable platform for their communications. |
| 03:25.23 | cbreak | define "Status Update" |
| 03:25.33 | cbreak | omgIWokeUP! |
| 03:25.36 | Shirik | ^ |
| 03:25.45 | Shirik | you know what |
| 03:25.47 | alestane | And cbreak illustrates the social/knowledge issue surrounding it...all sorts of people know what twitter is, but only a limited number of people associate anything, let alone "coolness", with RSS. |
| 03:25.47 | cbreak | doesn't sound very informative |
| 03:25.48 | Shirik | I might actually get twitter |
| 03:25.52 | Shirik | and then every time I update it |
| 03:25.57 | Shirik | I would just write "I am writing a twitter message" |
| 03:25.59 | Shirik | or something similar |
| 03:26.17 | alestane | Since that's what you're doing when you post it? |
| 03:26.23 | Shirik | yup! |
| 03:26.25 | cbreak | why not write a bot to do it? |
| 03:26.29 | foxlit | I am writing a twitter message( about a twitter message)* |
| 03:26.43 | Shirik | (about a twitter message) (about a twitter message) (about a twitter message) (about a twitter message) (about a twitter message) |
| 03:26.47 | Arrowmaster | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/4/23/ |
| 03:27.00 | foxlit | Note the cleverly-placed Kleene closure. |
| 03:27.11 | DWSR | http://g4tv.com/videos/44083/The-MMO-Report-Thursday-February-4th-/?quality=hd |
| 03:28.00 | Arrowmaster | why would i look at anything from g4 |
| 03:28.58 | Amarande | heh, and then it's like old FidoNet subject lines |
| 03:29.03 | DWSR | MMO report's actually really funny. |
| 03:29.07 | Amarande | where half the readers never understood that a Re: was already there and added one |
| 03:29.11 | Amarande | and so when a thread went on long enough |
| 03:29.47 | Amarande | the subject line was like ... Re: RE: SV: RE: RE: Re: RE: Sv: Re: RE: RE: and didn't have any of the original left :) |
| 03:31.39 | Shirik | .... |
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| 03:33.00 | Adys | gmail conversations are awesome |
| 03:33.09 | Adys | i dont understand how people can find them annoying/unintuitive |
| 03:33.46 | Arrowmaster | does it do threaded properly? or is it just a linear chain? |
| 03:34.20 | Arrowmaster | all even remotely decent standalone mail clients have threading |
| 03:35.03 | Arrowmaster | the problem is it only works if the other persons client doesnt fuck it up |
| 03:35.25 | Amarande | Arrow: hence the above fun that always happened back in the BBS echo days :) |
| 03:35.58 | Amarande | thank the gods for MSGID and REPLY |
| 03:37.27 | Shirik | Action Unsuccessful |
| 03:37.27 | Shirik | The attempted action was not successful. |
| 03:37.27 | Shirik | Access the Dropbox from the Control Panel. |
| 03:37.33 | Shirik | Why the hell do you (1) give me a link I can't click on |
| 03:37.39 | Shirik | and (2) refuse to just do that yourself |
| 03:37.48 | Shirik | it knows EXACTLY what I want to do, but refuses to redirect me there? |
| 03:37.53 | Shirik | gd web programmers are lazy |
| 03:38.23 | Thunder_Child | all programmers are lazy |
| 03:38.35 | Shirik | but there's a difference between good lazy and bad lazy |
| 03:38.37 | Thunder_Child | YES THIS MEANS YOU AS WELL |
| 03:38.44 | Shirik | I am very lazy |
| 03:39.56 | Amarande | report the site to Web Pages That Suck? |
| 03:40.34 | Arrowmaster | whats that? |
| 03:41.43 | Arrowmaster | i want to know so i can go start feeding all the results from google searches for single letters into it |
| 03:42.02 | Arrowmaster | aka the entire internet |
| 03:44.27 | Amarande | http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/ |
| 03:45.51 | alestane | "We need a logo. It needs to have a picture of a barn, a river, and some fish in it, along with our name, and our tagline. Itâs very simple. I already drafted up the idea for you in powerpoint. It should be pretty easy, and wonât take up much of your time. You can do this for free, right?" |
| 03:46.17 | kd3 | er, no |
| 03:46.19 | Adys | Amarande: thats more of a newborn geocities repo |
| 03:46.50 | Adys | unfortunately interface design can be bad in a thousand ways :p |
| 03:47.34 | Adys | and to be completely fair |
| 03:47.39 | Adys | their layout sucks quite hard |
| 03:48.06 | Adys | you dont see any difference between main page and child pages |
| 03:48.12 | Adys | the baby pic looks like an ad |
| 03:48.43 | Adys | the "menus" are laggy as fuck with their pr0 jquery effects |
| 03:48.45 | Amarande | Adys: so basically, web page headers can no longer include anything but pure textual and geometric elements? |
| 03:48.53 | Amarande | because anything else 'looks like an ad'? |
| 03:48.58 | Adys | how dumb are you? |
| 03:49.17 | Adys | it looks like an ad because it contrasts like hell with the logo which is right next to it |
| 03:49.41 | Amarande | you'er right about the sluggish menus though |
| 03:49.50 | Amarande | although that *may* be OS related |
| 03:49.54 | DWSR | Shadowed: gnip |
| 03:49.59 | Amarande | someone in #debian insists that iceweasel on linux is slower than firefox on windows |
| 03:50.05 | Amarande | isn't sure if this is actually the case though |
| 03:50.17 | Adys | here: lemme insist |
| 03:50.19 | Adys | firefox is slow |
| 03:50.19 | Amarande | since iceweasel on lenny is 3.0.x, while windows firefox was 3.5.x, and firefox seems to have gotten slower since 3.5 |
| 03:50.50 | Arrowmaster | iceweasel is 3.5.6 |
| 03:50.52 | Amarande | iceweasel is a rebranded firefox but I"m sure you know that |
| 03:50.55 | Amarande | Arrow: only on squeeze |
| 03:50.56 | Adys | know what else is dumb? the 400px block "Subscribe to RSS feed" |
| 03:51.00 | Amarande | or perhaps Ubuntu |
| 03:51.07 | Adys | this shit belongs in a corner with a small icon and no text, if at all |
| 03:51.25 | Adys | good rss will just pick up the feed if it's in the header |
| 03:51.37 | Adys | s/rss/rss clients/ |
| 03:51.53 | alestane | Designer: ââ¦and that concludes my design presentation.â |
| 03:51.53 | alestane | Client: âWe donât like your colors. Letâs look at Microsoft.comâ |
| 03:51.54 | alestane | Designer: âSee, you donât want Microsoft colors. They signify âsafeâ, âtypicalâ, ânormalââ¦â |
| 03:51.54 | alestane | Client: âYes! Thatâs it. Thanks.â |
| 03:51.57 | *** join/#wowuidev eir (~eir@freenode/utility-bot/eir) |
| 03:52.14 | Amarande | wait, microsoft colors signify safety? |
| 03:52.31 | Amarande | oddly enough, my usual first association color-wise from the windows logo is a Wild Draw Four. :) |
| 03:52.42 | Arrowmaster | not when associated with microsoft, but on their own |
| 03:52.44 | Thunder_Child | to much uno |
| 03:52.50 | Adys | for an user who only uses their computer very little, seeing colors they're familiar with means safety |
| 03:53.16 | Adys | fuck, you could slap the xp default wallpaper as background image to your site |
| 03:53.19 | Amarande | Adys: hence such fun things like malware popup design :) |
| 03:53.28 | Adys | no |
| 03:53.45 | Adys | malware fake-windows popups have nothing to do with "safety" |
| 03:53.54 | Amarande | I'm not sure sometimes what to feel about malware victims |
| 03:54.09 | Adys | it's tricking the user, that's all; and most of the time this doesnt work anymore |
| 03:54.12 | Amarande | my compassionate side wants to say "poor you", my logical side wants to say "OMG, you idiot, I can't believe you actually fell for and installed that" |
| 03:54.34 | Arrowmaster | you dont have to install them |
| 03:54.39 | Arrowmaster | they install themselves |
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| 03:55.36 | Adys | exploiting ie6 is fun |
| 03:55.47 | Adys | 1. Go in any airport |
| 03:56.00 | Arrowmaster | shit managed to do it to ie7 too |
| 03:56.14 | Adys | 2. Put 5 cents in one of those retarded pay computers |
| 03:56.20 | Adys | 3. Install chrome and stay there 3 hours |
| 03:58.31 | Thunder_Child | staying at an airport pay computer for 3 hours is fun why? |
| 03:58.47 | Thunder_Child | dont even bother, i'll just cll BS now |
| 03:58.52 | Adys | when you got a flight in 4 hours it's better than nothing |
| 03:59.13 | Amarande | haha ... "The Barklord may have been a coward, but he was no coward. Swiftly he grasped a deadly weapon: his whip, Franakhfurtar. It was cunningly wrought from a string of foul, black sausages, and could slay a dog in a single strike. With carefully exaggerated malice, he advanced towards his foe." |
| 03:59.22 | alestane | http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/4194962172_a49a1d4259.jpg |
| 04:00.12 | Shadowed | alestane: that would be a lot more amusing if I could read half of those :< |
| 04:00.42 | Shadowed | actually I sort of can |
| 04:00.43 | alestane | They are about half a step above 'illegibly low-res.' |
| 04:00.45 | Adys | it's very readable |
| 04:00.54 | alestane | I was able to make out all of them, though. |
| 04:01.01 | Shadowed | yea I just had to look at the screen closer |
| 04:01.04 | Shadowed | those sound right |
| 04:01.14 | Adys | theres a zoom button. |
| 04:01.48 | Adys | although i'd like to know what a candle operation is |
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| 04:02.00 | Shadowed | oh yea there is isn't there |
| 04:02.04 | Shadowed | first time I've had to use it |
| 04:02.05 | alestane | A business selling candles, I'm guessing. |
| 04:02.17 | Adys | ah |
| 04:02.22 | Adys | I was thinking something a lot cooler |
| 04:02.24 | Adys | but works too |
| 04:02.34 | Thunder_Child | it might be something cooler |
| 04:02.42 | Adys | it can't be you |
| 04:02.48 | Shadowed | Do you watch the office? |
| 04:02.48 | Shadowed | cause that's what I figure it is |
| 04:03.14 | Shadowed | fss so much lag with wow open |
| 04:12.30 | DWSR | Shadowed: Where can I turn off smooth fade out for SUF? |
| 04:21.38 | A-KO | proposed modification to DBM -- every time someone dies to some dumb shit (like void zones), it should play the "TIMMY!" sound from south park |
| 04:23.31 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 04:24.05 | DWSR | Please include the definition of dumb shit to anything that's avoidable. |
| 04:24.13 | DWSR | (i.e. 90% of effects in boss fights) |
| 04:24.23 | DWSR | s/include/expand/ |
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| 05:03.33 | Adys | HELP |
| 05:03.35 | Adys | Google is failing me |
| 05:03.52 | Thunder_Child | or are you failing google? |
| 05:03.59 | Adys | no, google is failing me |
| 05:04.04 | DWSR | ~asktoask |
| 05:04.05 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 05:04.30 | Adys | time naest, time est, time et and related queries |
| 05:04.38 | Adys | none of them are giving me a clock :( |
| 05:04.57 | Adys | DWSR: please give me a blowjob one of those days |
| 05:05.00 | Thunder_Child | what do you want a clock of? |
| 05:05.15 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=time+in+la |
| 05:05.16 | Adys | a clock! |
| 05:05.18 | Adys | like this! |
| 05:05.33 | Adys | time utc-5 doesnt work either |
| 05:05.50 | Thunder_Child | you want est time? |
| 05:05.56 | Adys | i have it |
| 05:06.01 | Adys | I clicked one of the results |
| 05:06.07 | Adys | but that's no excuse |
| 05:06.14 | Thunder_Child | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=nyc+time&aq=f&aqi=&oq= |
| 05:06.19 | Adys | I feel helpless when my expectations die like that :( |
| 05:06.36 | DWSR | fail adys |
| 05:06.38 | Amarande | A-KO: how about choice of TIMMY! or Whammy sounds from Press Your Luck or the "you lose" horn from The Price is Right? :) |
| 05:06.45 | Amarande | or the Family Feud buzzer. |
| 05:07.01 | DWSR | you lose from price would be win. |
| 05:07.15 | Adys | anyway afk |
| 05:07.19 | DWSR | imo, kologarn yelling you fail.\ |
| 05:07.50 | DWSR | ~time |
| 05:07.51 | purl | time is, like, 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2010.02.11 5:07:51 GMT |
| 05:08.40 | DWSR | ~debug.time |
| 05:08.43 | Jerub | Adys: you want a world clock that isn't insane? |
| 05:08.49 | DWSR | ~debug.time() |
| 05:09.14 | Shirik | fire is very hot |
| 05:09.25 | Jerub | Adys: http://www.thetimezoneconverter.com/ |
| 05:09.45 | DWSR | WTB metric time |
| 05:11.32 | Iriel | DWSR: it's called a 'second' |
| 05:11.57 | DWSR | Iriel: All the world should use Unix timestamps. |
| 05:12.52 | Shirik | metric time? |
| 05:12.56 | Shirik | like time base 10? |
| 05:13.13 | Shirik | kiloseconds |
| 05:13.20 | Shirik | lua> 1000 / 60 |
| 05:13.21 | DWSR | yes |
| 05:13.22 | lua_bot | Shirik: 16.666666666667 |
| 05:13.26 | Shirik | 1 kilosecond = about 1/4 hour |
| 05:13.45 | DWSR | Metric is win |
| 05:13.46 | Shirik | 1 megasecond is a little over 1 day? |
| 05:13.47 | DWSR | Imperial is so fail |
| 05:14.08 | Shirik | What we probably should do, actually, iis make it so a megasecond is exactly 1 day |
| 05:14.14 | Shirik | and then work out a second from that |
| 05:14.28 | Shirik | so it would need a new unit |
| 05:15.16 | kd3 | keeps thinking of 'decimal time' when people mention metric time |
| 05:15.33 | Amarande | nah, let's redefine the day |
| 05:15.40 | Amarande | and a megasecond might be a bit off the mark |
| 05:16.02 | Amarande | 1,000,000 s currently is something over a week |
| 05:16.13 | Amarande | 1 s = 1/100,000 d might be better |
| 05:16.15 | Shirik | no, a day has to be the same |
| 05:16.20 | Shirik | obviously, a day is 1 rotation of the earth |
| 05:16.24 | Amarande | since currently 1 s = 1/86,400 d |
| 05:16.35 | Amarande | Shirik: actually, our day isn't accurate either, so meh |
| 05:16.52 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:16.58 | Amarande | although, look at the potential for mischief if we could convince the government to pass a law defining the day as a million seconds! :) |
| 05:17.01 | kd3 | but... is that a sidereal rotation? 86400s? 1/365.24d~ ? |
| 05:17.04 | Amarande | (and how much time we'd get off from work, too :D) |
| 05:17.32 | Amarande | businesses would fall apart at the seams because people would only get to work 8 hours a week heh |
| 05:17.53 | Shirik | ever since seven came out, I've been getting a ton of disconnects... |
| 05:18.07 | kd3 | not I |
| 05:18.19 | Shirik | I think it's the 24 channels I'm in and mirc is freaking out |
| 05:18.31 | Amarande | Shirik: time to go to linux. |
| 05:18.39 | Shirik | negative |
| 05:18.50 | Shirik | linux I would have to use something like xchat |
| 05:19.05 | DWSR | Which is worse |
| 05:19.09 | Shirik | xchat |
| 05:19.26 | DWSR | Shirik, use kvirc |
| 05:19.28 | Adys | its not very good but how the hell is it worse than mirc |
| 05:19.36 | Shirik | because morons developed xchat |
| 05:19.43 | Shirik | I've said this a ton in the past week alone.... |
| 05:19.48 | Shirik | there are serious security vulnerabilities in xchat |
| 05:20.01 | Adys | ubuntu ships fixes for them |
| 05:20.05 | Adys | so do most distros |
| 05:20.16 | Amarande | xchat is awesome |
| 05:20.19 | Shirik | then why does everyone have a broken one? |
| 05:20.23 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 05:20.30 | DWSR | Distros shouldn't be shipping fixes. |
| 05:20.35 | DWSR | They should be offering up patch files to the authors. |
| 05:20.39 | Adys | why the hell not? |
| 05:20.40 | Adys | no |
| 05:20.42 | Adys | they shouldnt |
| 05:20.43 | DWSR | If that doesn't work, the authors are morons |
| 05:20.45 | Amarande | DWSR: Debian does both, AFAIK |
| 05:20.46 | Adys | not when the author is dead |
| 05:20.53 | Amarande | they fix, and then mention the fix to the author if they can |
| 05:21.01 | Adys | exactly Amarande |
| 05:21.06 | Amarande | but first they fix, so you're not stuck with an insecure package while you are waiting for the author to get off his ass |
| 05:21.07 | Shirik | is the author really dead? |
| 05:21.15 | Adys | as close as you can get to dead |
| 05:21.17 | Shirik | and for the record, I'm not sure this vulnerability is known |
| 05:21.23 | kd3 | note: xchat.org, not xchat.com |
| 05:21.25 | Shirik | it might be, it might not be |
| 05:21.35 | Amarande | especially since even some authors you'd expect to be PROFESSIONAL about things don't get off their ass about fixing issues |
| 05:21.38 | Adys | lol kd3 |
| 05:21.38 | Amarande | *cough* Amaya |
| 05:21.43 | Adys | lemme guess, porn site? |
| 05:21.47 | DWSR | lulz |
| 05:21.48 | kd3 | indeed |
| 05:21.54 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:21.55 | DWSR | Amarande: Case in point. |
| 05:21.55 | Shirik | xchat |
| 05:21.56 | Shirik | win |
| 05:21.59 | DWSR | the authors are morons. |
| 05:22.01 | Amarande | Amaya was yanked from the Debian distribution after it was discovered that it's about as secure as a screen door in a submarine |
| 05:22.08 | Amarande | and that was written by the flaming W3 Consortium |
| 05:22.22 | Amarande | yay, isn't sprintf() a wonderful function :P |
| 05:22.25 | DWSR | Shirik: Try kvirc. |
| 05:22.34 | Adys | Shirik |
| 05:22.39 | Adys | you wanna help me finish my IM client? |
| 05:22.41 | DWSR | I replaced mIRC + NNS and I haven't really looked back |
| 05:22.43 | Shirik | no |
| 05:22.47 | Shirik | it's going to be full of holes |
| 05:22.55 | Shirik | I will help you hack it, how about that? |
| 05:22.59 | Adys | your mom is full of holes |
| 05:23.06 | Amarande | hands Adys a shovel and forces him out into the prison yard to dig holes |
| 05:23.16 | DWSR | easy now Zero. |
| 05:23.26 | Adys | as soon as Im done with it, I'm porting the same UI for an irc client |
| 05:23.29 | WobWork | You want Adys to make a portrait of your mother? |
| 05:23.38 | Adys | it's using the chrome UI in qt |
| 05:23.46 | Amarande | god, obviously no one has ever seen 'Holes' |
| 05:23.49 | DWSR | Adys: If you want to write a decent IRC client for Windows, I would love you forever. |
| 05:23.51 | DWSR | Amarande: Indeed. |
| 05:23.53 | Shirik | Holes is not a fucking moviue |
| 05:23.54 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:23.57 | Shirik | It was a book |
| 05:23.58 | DWSR | Shirik: Yes, it is. |
| 05:23.59 | Shirik | and the movie was shit |
| 05:24.02 | DWSR | Yes, it was. |
| 05:24.05 | Shirik | the movie should not have even been called a movie |
| 05:24.07 | Adys | DWSR: it's qt so it'll be crossplatform |
| 05:24.13 | Shirik | it should have been called an abortion |
| 05:24.15 | Amarande | you know, I'm foggy off the top of my head now |
| 05:24.20 | Amarande | but exactly what were the holes being dug for? |
| 05:24.26 | DWSR | Amarande: Zero was a reference to that book as well. |
| 05:24.28 | Adys | your mom is an abortion shirik |
| 05:24.33 | DWSR | Amarande: Treasure, iirc. |
| 05:24.38 | DWSR | Oh, no, it was some amulet. |
| 05:24.43 | Shirik | no |
| 05:24.48 | DWSR | I don't remember. |
| 05:25.01 | Amarande | WTF |
| 05:25.04 | Shirik | it was just valuables, specifically it was bonds but I don't think anyone knew what it was until it was recovered |
| 05:25.06 | Amarande | LaTeX has dingbats for *broken scissors* |
| 05:25.07 | Shirik | just that it was valuable |
| 05:25.16 | Adys | http://www.wowguru.com/ |
| 05:25.19 | Amarande | who would need a dingbat for broken scissors in every possible orientation anyway? :| |
| 05:25.22 | Adys | Reminder: BlizzCon This Week |
| 05:25.23 | Adys | Submitted on February 04 2010 by WoWGuru.com |
| 05:25.36 | Shirik | you didn't hear? |
| 05:25.37 | Shirik | blizzcon |
| 05:25.50 | Adys | This Friday marks the beginning of BlizzCon 2009 |
| 05:26.10 | Shirik | yup |
| 05:26.12 | Shirik | no |
| 05:26.13 | Shirik | 2010 |
| 05:26.17 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:26.20 | Shirik | 2009.5 |
| 05:26.25 | Amarande | blizzcon is in february now? |
| 05:26.27 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:26.33 | Shirik | wowguru is always right |
| 05:26.34 | Amarande | I thought it was usually in october, or the summer, or something like that |
| 05:26.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker (brb@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 05:26.47 | Thunder_Child | it's somewhat random |
| 05:26.55 | A-KO | doubt I'm going to blizzcon this year :P |
| 05:26.59 | A-KO | it was fun last year but... |
| 05:27.00 | A-KO | eh |
| 05:27.02 | Adys | hey look, the sarcasm police just joined the chan right in time |
| 05:27.03 | DWSR | wait |
| 05:27.06 | DWSR | Blizzcon 2009? |
| 05:27.11 | Shirik | Blizzcon 2009.5 |
| 05:27.13 | DWSR | Isn't it 2010? |
| 05:27.17 | Thunder_Child | i'll be going for the dinner, dunno about the con |
| 05:27.29 | kd3 | dwsr; not according to wowguru |
| 05:27.43 | Adys | every time someone says "the con", i heard shawn say "The con?!" |
| 05:28.05 | Fisker | it's cold Shirik |
| 05:28.08 | A-KO | Thunder_Child: too long of a travel time for me to go just to dinner :P (east coast to west coast) |
| 05:28.09 | Shirik | I know |
| 05:28.11 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 05:28.16 | A-KO | I might try and find something closer or do something else this year |
| 05:28.19 | Shirik | ^ wtfhax |
| 05:28.19 | Fisker | ~weather ekch |
| 05:28.26 | Shirik | ~weather kdca |
| 05:28.26 | Fisker | brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 05:28.28 | Thunder_Child | A-KO: i live a few hours away, so not so long for me |
| 05:28.32 | DWSR | ~weather Ottawa, Canada |
| 05:28.41 | Shirik | icaofail DWSR |
| 05:28.41 | kd3 | ooh, washington |
| 05:28.42 | A-KO | ~weather Baltimore, MD |
| 05:28.43 | Adys | ~weather urmom |
| 05:28.48 | kd3 | what's the snow* word this time? |
| 05:28.54 | Amarande | ~weather kdxr |
| 05:28.59 | Shirik | snowmageddon part 2 |
| 05:29.33 | DWSR | ~weather CYOW |
| 05:29.40 | A-KO | ~weather kbwi |
| 05:29.47 | Adys | why do americans use farenheit |
| 05:29.49 | Shirik | screw BWI |
| 05:29.51 | Shirik | BWI is shit |
| 05:29.55 | kd3 | because we do? |
| 05:29.57 | A-KO | lol Shirik |
| 05:29.57 | Shirik | BWI is the xchat of airports |
| 05:30.02 | Fisker | because they're stupid |
| 05:30.02 | DWSR | Adys: I dunno. |
| 05:30.02 | Fisker | bam |
| 05:30.06 | DWSR | Amen Fisker |
| 05:30.11 | kd3 | and crap. I've gotta get up in 5 hours ish |
| 05:30.15 | Shirik | me too |
| 05:30.16 | kd3 | what am I still doing up? |
| 05:30.25 | A-KO | Adys: BEcause it's what people are raised on here, pretty much. I personally use Celsius (living in the US), but many here find me a bit odd for it |
| 05:30.30 | A-KO | so I tend to swap between them |
| 05:30.51 | DWSR | I know both, sort of. |
| 05:30.59 | A-KO | I use both mostly interchangeably |
| 05:31.15 | A-KO | I don't really convert 'em anymore either, I just know both equally....heh |
| 05:31.27 | DWSR | I tend to Celsius, but if someone goes to me "it's 70 out", I know what that's supposed to be. |
| 05:31.29 | DWSR | However. |
| 05:31.41 | A-KO | same |
| 05:31.42 | DWSR | EVERYONE BITCHIN ABOUT SNOW NEEDS TO FUCK OFF AND MOVE TO CANADA. |
| 05:31.47 | A-KO | haha DWSR |
| 05:31.49 | DWSR | That is all. |
| 05:31.49 | A-KO | see |
| 05:31.51 | Adys | maybe for 70 |
| 05:31.52 | A-KO | here's the deal |
| 05:31.54 | Adys | not so much for 30 |
| 05:31.57 | Thunder_Child | no, people need to stop bitching |
| 05:31.59 | A-KO | we got like 48 inches of snow in 5 days |
| 05:32.04 | Adys | (depending on country obviously) |
| 05:32.09 | A-KO | that's a LOT |
| 05:32.10 | Amarande | omg, there are also LaTeX dingbat commands for SIMPSONS CHARACTERS. |
| 05:32.16 | DWSR | A-KO: No, it isn't. Really. |
| 05:32.24 | DWSR | A-KO: We received 48 inches in 2 days. |
| 05:32.33 | DWSR | You couldn't fucking see outside. |
| 05:32.34 | kd3 | you live where that's common |
| 05:32.46 | Adys | Your mom receives 48 inches every night |
| 05:32.46 | Adys | BAM |
| 05:32.47 | DWSR | Right, so you Yanks need to fuck off with yer bitchin. |
| 05:32.47 | kd3 | we just shattered weather records going back to the 1800s |
| 05:32.54 | A-KO | yeah, we did |
| 05:33.00 | DWSR | Adys: At least she knows what she wants. |
| 05:33.15 | Shirik | no |
| 05:33.19 | Adys | Ive no idea what 48 inches represents |
| 05:33.21 | Shirik | you're the one that I want |
| 05:33.24 | Shirik | you are the one I want |
| 05:33.27 | Shirik | ooo ooo ooo |
| 05:33.28 | A-KO | Adys |
| 05:33.28 | Adys | but I'm pretty sure it's smaller than mine and larger than bibi's |
| 05:33.30 | DWSR | Adys: 4 feet. |
| 05:33.35 | DWSR | That's about a meter? |
| 05:33.36 | A-KO | it's 121.92cm :P |
| 05:33.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Keias (~bleh@pool-72-86-106-233.aubnin.fios.verizon.net) |
| 05:33.42 | Shirik | no |
| 05:33.42 | Adys | sounds about right |
| 05:33.44 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 05:33.47 | DWSR | 1.2m |
| 05:33.50 | Shirik | meters are a horrible metric |
| 05:33.51 | A-KO | 1" = 2.54cm |
| 05:33.52 | DWSR | No. |
| 05:33.53 | Shirik | they're too standard |
| 05:34.00 | Shirik | viva la resistance! |
| 05:34.01 | DWSR | Shirik: You're too standard. |
| 05:34.10 | Adys | I agree Shirik |
| 05:34.11 | Thunder_Child | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/1_metric.jpg |
| 05:34.13 | DWSR | Shirik: btw, what does <E> and <T> mean? |
| 05:34.21 | DWSR | When you're defining methods in Java? |
| 05:34.25 | Adys | please recode wowinterface's design so it uses html3 only compatible with ie6 |
| 05:34.53 | Jerub | Shirik: hehehehe |
| 05:34.55 | Amarande | ew, IE6 |
| 05:35.00 | Jerub | Shirik: you americans and your archaic measures are so funny |
| 05:35.07 | Amarande | wasn't that the version that was labeled "OMG UPGRADE OR DOWNGRADE FROM IMMEDIATELY BEFORE YOU GET PWNED?" |
| 05:35.19 | Amarande | or was that IE5 or 7? |
| 05:35.21 | Adys | ~thunder_child++ |
| 05:35.56 | Shirik | DWSR: <E> and <T> ? |
| 05:36.05 | DWSR | Shirik: Yes. |
| 05:36.10 | Adys | <Extra> <Terrestrial> |
| 05:36.14 | Shirik | I'm going to assume that these are template methods |
| 05:36.23 | Adys | [07:28:51] <purl> exceeded allowed forked count (shm 59016934): wikipedia, Weather |
| 05:36.27 | Adys | wtf is he on about |
| 05:36.31 | Shirik | unless you give me some context |
| 05:36.35 | Shirik | !g java generics |
| 05:36.35 | batbot | Shirik: Generics <http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/language/generics.html> |
| 05:36.39 | DWSR | void sort( Comparator<? super E> c ) |
| 05:36.45 | Shirik | yes, that's a generic |
| 05:37.19 | Shirik | It's java's complete bastardization of C++ templates |
| 05:37.46 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:38.09 | DWSR | What's the difference between <T> and <E>? |
| 05:38.20 | Adys | it's not the same letter |
| 05:38.35 | Thunder_Child | the arangements of the straight lines |
| 05:39.03 | Adys | they arent used in the same words |
| 05:39.07 | Seerah | chuckles |
| 05:39.15 | Fisker | slaps Seerah around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:39.33 | Seerah | Thanks, Fisker - need to stay awake for a few more minutes :) |
| 05:40.43 | DWSR | Shirik: |
| 05:40.51 | Shirik | nothing |
| 05:40.54 | Shirik | T and E are just identifiers |
| 05:41.03 | Shirik | it's the "generic type name" |
| 05:41.18 | DWSR | So <? super T> just means ? has to be a subclass of T? |
| 05:41.24 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:41.36 | Shirik | er, no |
| 05:41.39 | Shirik | it must be a parent of T |
| 05:41.42 | DWSR | So can I do <? implements T>? |
| 05:41.45 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:41.48 | DWSR | mkay. |
| 05:42.00 | Shirik | I mean |
| 05:42.07 | Shirik | for that case, T would have to be already defined |
| 05:42.10 | Shirik | naturally |
| 05:42.15 | Shirik | It's probably in a generic class |
| 05:42.35 | DWSR | if A extends B and B extends C, is <? extends A> true for C? |
| 05:42.36 | Shirik | so you have Collection<T> and then Collection<T> might contain a method that uses T like add<? extends T> |
| 05:42.43 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:43.22 | DWSR | By the way |
| 05:43.30 | Fisker | slaps DWSR around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:43.37 | DWSR | Is there any way to iterate over a Java object's fields without knowing the field names beforehand? |
| 05:43.41 | DWSR | Without using Reflections. |
| 05:43.49 | DWSR | Something like you can do with Lua tables. |
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| 05:47.52 | DWSR | Shirik: |
| 05:48.06 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 05:48.58 | Shirik | no, that's what reflection is for. However |
| 05:49.03 | Shirik | If you're trying to do that, you're doing something wrong |
| 05:49.10 | WobWork | why without reflection? |
| 05:49.10 | Shirik | because that is not proper OO usage |
| 05:49.19 | WobWork | hahahahaa =) |
| 05:49.34 | DWSR | Shirik: I'm trying to reuse code. :P |
| 05:49.47 | WobWork | I wish I could use that excuse at work =P |
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| 05:50.53 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 05:50.56 | Shirik | I am going to destroy 4chan |
| 05:50.59 | Shirik | what do you think now |
| 05:51.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: isn't verizon way ahead of you? |
| 05:51.17 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:51.23 | Thunder_Child | fail Shirik, fail |
| 05:51.24 | Fisker | trolling is a art Shirik |
| 05:51.37 | Thunder_Child | also, 4chan would obliterate you Shirik |
| 05:51.46 | Shirik | negative |
| 05:51.47 | NightHawkTheSane | lol, Shirik, verizon was (dunno if they still are) blocking http access to 4chan |
| 05:51.49 | Shirik | I am invincible |
| 05:51.57 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 05:51.57 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 05:51.59 | Shirik | oh I heard about that NightHawkTheSane, but I thought they were fixing it |
| 05:52.06 | NightHawkTheSane | shrugs |
| 05:52.06 | Fisker | we would kill you wher eyou stand Shirik |
| 05:52.10 | Thunder_Child | it wasnt an error |
| 05:52.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont know, i was just being snarky ;) |
| 05:52.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: "fixing" then ;) |
| 05:52.34 | Thunder_Child | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/1_metric.jpg |
| 05:52.36 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 05:52.38 | Thunder_Child | 1 sec |
| 05:52.42 | Thunder_Child | "After an hour and a half on the phone, we've received confirmation from Verizon's Network Repair Bureau (NRB) that we are "explicitly blocked."" |
| 05:52.45 | DWSR | People who don't indent code properly. |
| 05:52.46 | DWSR | Fail. |
| 05:53.03 | DWSR | T_C: LULZ. |
| 05:53.12 | Adys | its the second time he links it |
| 05:53.15 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5466492/verizon-has-blocked-access-to-4chan-but-what-are-they-gonna-do-about-it |
| 05:53.25 | Fisker | i'm going to freeze |
| 05:54.16 | Thunder_Child | the copt pase failed me |
| 05:54.42 | Adys | so does your y key |
| 05:55.37 | Thunder_Child | i think that was me failing actaully |
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| 05:59.46 | DWSR | nn all |
| 05:59.52 | Fisker | it is cold Thunder_Child |
| 05:59.54 | Fisker | can you understand me? |
| 06:00.12 | Thunder_Child | yes Fisker, i understand you |
| 06:00.15 | Thunder_Child | you are diing |
| 06:00.18 | Thunder_Child | dieing* |
| 06:00.20 | Thunder_Child | w/e |
| 06:00.40 | Fisker | omg i'm dying? |
| 06:00.56 | Thunder_Child | yes |
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| 06:01.43 | Fisker | panics |
| 06:02.06 | Thunder_Child | thats just amking it worse |
| 06:02.12 | Thunder_Child | making* |
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| 06:12.35 | Adys | No package 'x11-xcb' found |
| 06:12.45 | Adys | any idea what debian package provides that? |
| 06:13.32 | Adys | garfield-minus-garfield-the-book |
| 06:13.44 | Adys | er |
| 06:13.45 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/383117068/ |
| 06:14.18 | Arrowmaster | Adys: aptitude search xcb |
| 06:14.37 | Adys | i tried that |
| 06:14.41 | Adys | shows like 150 packages |
| 06:14.52 | Arrowmaster | its like 60 |
| 06:15.30 | Arrowmaster | and im guessing libx11-xcb1 |
| 06:15.41 | Adys | libx11-xcb-dev |
| 06:15.43 | Adys | trying this |
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| 06:16.43 | Adys | ah that worked |
| 06:16.44 | Adys | thanks |
| 06:29.31 | Fisker | cold |
| 06:29.33 | Fisker | so cooold |
| 06:32.17 | Fisker | ~weather ekch |
| 06:32.22 | Fisker | brr |
| 06:37.41 | ccox | hmm, which is more profitable right now: armorsmith, or weaponsmith? |
| 06:45.29 | Fisker | brrrsmith |
| 06:45.54 | Fisker | Hint: specs for BS is kinda useless |
| 06:47.34 | Jerub | they make a big difference for tailorification |
| 06:48.05 | Jerub | speaking of which, today is moonshroud day |
| 06:48.12 | Fisker | to my knowledge there's no longer any spec-reliant recipes in wotlk |
| 06:48.26 | Fisker | or recipes that require a certain spec |
| 06:48.38 | Jerub | Fisker: yes, there are, but they're all BC recipes |
| 06:48.47 | Fisker | in wotlk |
| 06:48.50 | Fisker | wotlk |
| 06:49.01 | Jerub | and spec makes a big difference for tailoring |
| 06:49.08 | Fisker | didn't say it didn't |
| 06:49.10 | Jerub | ^^ moonshroud |
| 06:49.14 | Jerub | Fisker: i hate you |
| 06:49.19 | Fisker | l2read |
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| 07:12.05 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIVXo7Kl9EY&feature=player_embedded |
| 07:12.17 | Fisker | btw Bibi |
| 07:12.23 | Fisker | you're so easy to spin |
| 07:13.58 | Fisker | goodbye cruel world |
| 07:14.26 | Shadowed | praise jesus |
| 07:16.01 | Jerub | Fisker: you wouldn't defisker. |
| 07:21.27 | Adys | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1539852/ |
| 07:21.28 | Adys | ffs |
| 07:21.32 | Adys | they arent giving the whole cast |
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| 07:45.39 | Thunder_Child | thats because it's a crappy show |
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| 07:51.47 | Adys | Thunder_Child: Let's play a game, let's see how long either of us can be as much of a douche as possible |
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| 07:54.43 | mikma | adys: challenge fisker |
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| 08:12.03 | Thunder_Child | Adys: tbh the game only end when one of us dies |
| 08:12.07 | Thunder_Child | ends* |
| 08:15.34 | Adys | so that means if i kill you i get to win fair and square |
| 08:16.09 | Adys | also technically it's "either of us" |
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| 08:25.15 | Thunder_Child | so mine isnt correct? |
| 08:25.25 | Thunder_Child | yes Adys, but good luck with that one |
| 08:27.05 | zenzio | "The 2K Forums have a thread complaining that widescreen support in the PC edition of BioShock 2 does not work properly, as it displays a cropped version of the 4:3 screen, rather than true widescreen depiction of the scene" -- there may be some kind of logical explanation for this, but I have a hard time picturing both the development team and the QA team all still using 4:3 monitors |
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| 08:28.34 | smcn | bizarre |
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| 08:38.28 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 08:38.58 | Corrodias | and even the old console game development excuse wouldn't work here because tv's are generally 16:9 now |
| 08:39.13 | zenzio | yeah |
| 08:39.36 | zenzio | but apparently it works fine on consoles, only PCs are affected... apparently Bioshock 1 suffered the exact same problem |
| 08:39.37 | Corrodias | a cropped version of the 4:3 screen... might be reasonable, though |
| 08:39.49 | Corrodias | i mean, you have to control the FOV |
| 08:40.12 | Corrodias | unless you want ridiculous distortion in the corners |
| 08:40.53 | Corrodias | knowing that it works normally on consoles and they fucked it up in the pc version does lead to the correct explanation being their incompetence, however. |
| 08:41.04 | Corrodias | lends evidence to that being correct, anyway |
| 08:47.41 | nevcairiel | bioshock 1 looked fine on my screen |
| 08:49.20 | zenzio | they fixed the problem a few months after release of Bioshock 1, according to the Blue's News post |
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| 08:59.42 | Wobin | omg |
| 08:59.48 | Wobin | cute stuffed animals |
| 08:59.51 | Wobin | omg Blizzard |
| 08:59.56 | Wobin | you know our weaknesses too well |
| 09:00.04 | nevcairiel | huh, what where? |
| 09:01.03 | Wobin | front page |
| 09:01.11 | Wobin | three news posts down |
| 09:01.53 | Wobin | "The Pet Store is about to go plush! Introducing the Wind Rider Cub and Gryphon Hatchling, the first in a new line of cuddly, crafty critters scheduled to arrive exclusively in the online Blizzard Store in the weeks ahead. Each plush companion will come with a code for a matching in-game, non-combat, account-bound pet to fly by your side in Azeroth. Both Horde and Alliance players will be able to adopt either pet once they hatch in the on |
| 09:01.53 | Wobin | line Blizzard Store. Keep your eyes on the sky -- and the official World of Warcraft website -- for more information. " |
| 09:03.18 | nevcairiel | i want a plus proto drake |
| 09:03.21 | digmouse | those are both in-game and real one? |
| 09:03.21 | nevcairiel | or a druid flight form |
| 09:03.28 | Wobin | yeah |
| 09:03.30 | digmouse | LF Hippos |
| 09:03.37 | digmouse | cute |
| 09:03.40 | Wobin | the baby windrider plush is adorable |
| 09:04.01 | zenzio | why no murloc? |
| 09:04.42 | digmouse | we got murloc marine and murloc gladiator |
| 09:04.56 | digmouse | and trust me no one want a real murloc as pet! |
| 09:05.00 | zenzio | lies |
| 09:05.39 | digmouse | :P |
| 09:06.13 | Wobin | I want them to change the druid flight form walking animation to the hopping crow from looney tunes |
| 09:06.24 | nevcairiel | we have a walking animation? |
| 09:06.31 | Wobin | we don't =( |
| 09:06.44 | Wobin | but it would be -awesome- |
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| 09:14.28 | zenzio | hm, Battle.net authenticator for Android; neat |
| 09:17.09 | nevcairiel | yeah installed it yesterday already |
| 09:17.18 | nevcairiel | it crys at me for having a rooted phone, but works otherwise |
| 09:17.26 | zenzio | same for me :-p |
| 09:18.01 | zenzio | still want to get a newer Android phone, but not quite in a position to buy one right now :-/ |
| 09:18.15 | zenzio | and they also don't carry the Milestone in Norway, so I'd have to import it |
| 09:18.22 | nevcairiel | which one do you have? |
| 09:18.23 | Corrodias | hmm? google's product doesn't come in an "unlocked" state? |
| 09:18.42 | zenzio | nevcairiel: the dev phone (G1) |
| 09:18.53 | nevcairiel | ok thats pretty old |
| 09:19.04 | zenzio | yup. I just took it over when my brother bought a Hero |
| 09:19.32 | nevcairiel | is it a real ADP1 or a default G1? |
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| 09:20.23 | zenzio | hm... I believe it's the actual dev phone. No HTC branding |
| 09:20.49 | zenzio | my brother got it from Google at least |
| 09:20.52 | nevcairiel | it should have some unique pattern drawn on the back |
| 09:20.58 | zenzio | yeah, it does |
| 09:21.52 | zenzio | soon as I get settled into the new apartment, I'm likely to get some newer Android with a keyboard (Milestone probably, if they don't release any other before that) |
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| 09:25.28 | Wobin | omg |
| 09:25.30 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk, http://worldofwonder.net/2010/02/10/e9893cf7.jpg |
| 09:25.49 | Wobin | 3wk old baby elephant =) |
| 09:26.22 | nevcairiel | he has big eyes |
| 09:26.25 | zenzio | :-o |
| 09:45.22 | zenzio | http://failbooking.com/2010/02/10/funny-facebook-fails-get-her-a-towel/ o_O |
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| 10:00.33 | Wobin | ahaha |
| 10:00.34 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/google-issues-warning-to-chinese-knockoff-20100211-nt6e.html |
| 10:00.44 | Wobin | goojje =) |
| 10:01.20 | bleeter | zenzio: dunno what's funnier, the failbook or the comments! |
| 10:01.43 | zenzio | bleeter: I never read comments on those sites :-p |
| 10:02.12 | bleeter | zenzio: this lot is worth it ;) |
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| 10:06.40 | Fisker | damn |
| 10:06.46 | Fisker | just thought i was invited to the SC2 beta |
| 10:07.01 | Fisker | Subject: Your erotic nights are here to stay |
| 10:07.11 | frontendloader | lol who sends C&Ds to china |
| 10:07.23 | frontendloader | doesn't google no longer give a fuuuuuuuuuuuu about china? |
| 10:08.17 | nevcairiel | google started a open war on china |
| 10:08.19 | nevcairiel | didnt you notice |
| 10:08.35 | frontendloader | well I heard China's AC gets +8 vs. C&Ds |
| 10:08.43 | frontendloader | so this isn't a very effective opening attack |
| 10:10.14 | Wobin | You have to start a land war to overcome the bonus. |
| 10:10.41 | zenzio | sending a C&D is like telling people to stay off your yard or you'll shoot them |
| 10:10.47 | zenzio | then you're covered when you do |
| 10:11.31 | nevcairiel | They stopped obeying the chinese cencorship laws, and if more stuff piles up, they'll just leave china and shut them off from all google services .. unless the government of china does that first |
| 10:14.09 | bleeter | Wobin: interesting turns this week with the cleanfeed over here |
| 10:14.16 | Fisker | shame they don't take the same stance with us censorship laws |
| 10:14.16 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 10:14.23 | bleeter | Wobin: looks like YouTube might get closed down ;) |
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| 10:14.40 | Wobin | bleeter, what's been up? I've been so swamped at work, I've not looked things up |
| 10:15.09 | bleeter | Wobin: KRudd did ABC QandA with 18-25 y/o's monday, not a single person asked about cleanfeed |
| 10:15.19 | Wobin | ... why not? |
| 10:15.38 | bleeter | Wobin: Wednesday, Hungry Beast released survey. 80% of population agree with filter, tho 91% disagree with list methods kept private |
| 10:15.40 | zenzio | what's cleanfeed? |
| 10:15.56 | bleeter | zenzio: ig australian internet firewall/censorship device that's proposed |
| 10:15.58 | bleeter | *big |
| 10:16.04 | zenzio | oh, that thing |
| 10:16.20 | nevcairiel | why is everyone jumping on the firewall train these days? |
| 10:16.24 | bleeter | Wobin: Conroy's currently 'negotiating' with youtube how it's to censor it's services ;) |
| 10:16.45 | zenzio | I wish governments and big companies would stop hurling restrictions everywhere and instead look at the root cause of their problems |
| 10:16.56 | bleeter | nevcairiel: because too many people stayed out of the debating because 'it's politics and i can't stand politics' |
| 10:17.08 | bleeter | nevcairiel: thus those with vested interest got control, etc. etc. etc. |
| 10:17.31 | bleeter | zenzio: root problem is people don't get involved in political discourse; SEP |
| 10:18.08 | nevcairiel | We would be on the streets if someone was going to be serious about content filtering here |
| 10:18.15 | zenzio | bleeter: in this case, I agree. But overall the problem seems to be that big companies/organisations (like, say, RIAA) fail to change along with people and adjust to how people want to do things these days |
| 10:18.41 | bleeter | the aussie equiv of RIAA got hit 'out of the ballpark' last week |
| 10:18.51 | bleeter | federal court told them where to get off in their case against ISPs |
| 10:19.01 | zenzio | :-o |
| 10:19.10 | bleeter | nevcairiel: US? there's already content filtering, it's enacted by the advertisers ;) |
| 10:19.17 | nevcairiel | not US |
| 10:19.49 | bleeter | nevcairiel: oh? UK? look at the supression orders handed out supressing the reporting of the existence of supression orders |
| 10:19.49 | zenzio | an appeals court over here dismissed an appeal where someone (can't recall who) wanted (one of) the largest ISP to block access to TPB the other day |
| 10:19.52 | bleeter | 'sif out on streets |
| 10:20.05 | zenzio | I have a little faith in my country so far, Internet-wise... but we're seeing more stupid suggestions |
| 10:20.06 | bleeter | 21:15 < vox> paw infra :( |
| 10:20.11 | bleeter | ah mistpaste |
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| 10:20.48 | zenzio | think he's German; or I'm confusing him with someone else |
| 10:21.11 | nevcairiel | bleeter: germany actually, they wanted to do blocking of child-porn websites on a DNS level, not that DNS blocks are easy to circumvent, but they also postponed that law somewhere in the future now |
| 10:22.17 | bleeter | nevcairiel: my bad, just went off that you're connected to holmes. yeah, they're trying a similar thing over here in .au |
| 10:22.26 | nevcairiel | that law was the main reason the pirate party really grew in size here |
| 10:22.43 | bleeter | likely to succeed as moral conservatives hold balance of power in upper house, government needs their vote to enact any major reform legislation |
| 10:23.14 | bleeter | we have other issues going on here regarding freedom of speech during election campaigns, and the sale of 'unclassified' computer games |
| 10:23.22 | truedego | I have a totally rookie question, I need some one to help me understand something. On websites refrencing API calls, they often have something like this "name, killingBlows, honorableKills, deaths, honorGained, rank, damageDone, healingDone = GetBattlefieldScore(index)" but i copied that into an addon i wrote and it is giving me errors. Why is that? |
| 10:23.31 | nevcairiel | Instead of fighting against the issues, they just try to hide them from the general public |
| 10:23.33 | nevcairiel | fail idea :P |
| 10:23.39 | zenzio | indeed |
| 10:23.57 | nevcairiel | but hey, we got them to postpone and re-assess |
| 10:24.00 | bleeter | nevcairiel: eg, until October last year, technically WoW was illegal as it hadn't been classified (previous govt didn't consider MMO's as a game, some new classification was pending never arrived. meanwhile technically illegal lol) |
| 10:24.25 | zenzio | truedego: we'd need to see your code to be sure. Use the pastey link in the topic and show us a little bit of your code where it errors |
| 10:24.43 | nevcairiel | truedego: also, the specific error helps :D |
| 10:25.20 | nevcairiel | anyway, back to writing my thesis |
| 10:25.52 | zenzio | thesis about what? |
| 10:26.00 | nevcairiel | web frameworks |
| 10:26.09 | nevcairiel | i'm currently trying to explain MVC implementations |
| 10:26.24 | zenzio | sounds somewhat interesting |
| 10:26.33 | truedego | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/132816 |
| 10:26.43 | truedego | its only 19 lines long |
| 10:26.55 | nevcairiel | i know whats wrong with the snippet |
| 10:27.15 | zenzio | you're not storing the return values |
| 10:27.46 | truedego | i accidently deleted a section of code, one sec |
| 10:28.17 | truedego | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/132817 |
| 10:28.22 | truedego | heres how i had it |
| 10:29.01 | truedego | and let me pull up the SC and I can tell you the error |
| 10:29.14 | nevcairiel | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/132818 |
| 10:29.17 | nevcairiel | i fixed it for you :d |
| 10:29.44 | nevcairiel | also the name variable won't be "player", it'll be the actual name of your character |
| 10:30.20 | truedego | ok |
| 10:30.29 | jnwhiteh | Yay my phone has shipped! |
| 10:30.32 | Wobin | bleeter, So no good news, eh? |
| 10:30.38 | zenzio | jnwhiteh: grats; which one? |
| 10:30.41 | nevcairiel | you could use something like .. name == UnitName("player") |
| 10:30.45 | jnwhiteh | Nexus one |
| 10:30.59 | zenzio | should've just kept Fisker's ;) |
| 10:31.04 | truedego | nevcairiel: ty, did what did i primairly mess up on? |
| 10:31.11 | truedego | wh |
| 10:32.15 | nevcairiel | You have to store the return valeus of the function in every loop, calling on the top once won't do much good |
| 10:32.23 | truedego | ahhh |
| 10:32.26 | nevcairiel | no good, actually |
| 10:32.55 | truedego | im asking for something that isnt changing |
| 10:33.36 | nevcairiel | You're going over all players in the battleground, so you need to store the values for every player again |
| 10:33.42 | nevcairiel | or how would it know :D |
| 10:33.51 | truedego | ahhh |
| 10:34.39 | truedego | my first try at a for loop seince basic |
| 10:34.51 | Antiarc | jnwhiteh: I'm green >:| |
| 10:34.56 | Antiarc | Giev sexy phone. |
| 10:35.36 | Fisker | i'm green Antiarc |
| 10:35.41 | Fisker | and i got it first :( |
| 10:35.49 | zenzio | I heard speculation that there will be a Nexus Two, with a keyboard... do want |
| 10:36.07 | Antiarc | I've got giant fingers and I don't mine onscreen if it's done well |
| 10:36.51 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: I was able to sell my hero for £160 |
| 10:36.57 | zenzio | it's not how well it's handled that bothers me about onscreen; I just prefer keyboards. I can be a bit inaccurate when I use onscreen keyboards |
| 10:37.00 | jnwhiteh | zenzio: yeah, but they said its about a year off |
| 10:37.06 | zenzio | jnwhiteh: doh :( |
| 10:37.09 | Antiarc | I've got an oldschool Razr, I'd be lucky to get $5 for it. |
| 10:37.26 | jnwhiteh | its already in Cinci. |
| 10:38.19 | Fisker | do not want zenzio |
| 10:38.22 | Fisker | i hate hardware keyboards |
| 10:39.20 | zenzio | Fisker: then stick to your onscreen ones, I have no problem with other people using those :-p |
| 10:41.34 | Fisker | oh yeah zenzio? |
| 10:41.42 | Fisker | But i have problems with people using hardware keyboards |
| 10:41.44 | bleeter | I hate forks of Linux |
| 10:42.13 | zenzio | forks? As opposed to distributions? |
| 10:42.37 | Fisker | i love forks |
| 10:42.39 | Fisker | IN YOUR EYE bleeter |
| 10:42.51 | Fisker | see what i did there? |
| 10:42.57 | bleeter | prefers sporks |
| 10:43.23 | Fisker | are you making fun of me bleeter ? |
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| 10:44.49 | bleeter | zenzio: nah, fork: http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/android-kernel-problems.html |
| 10:44.59 | bleeter | Fisker: never |
| 10:48.19 | Fisker | i hate the dungeon finder |
| 10:48.25 | Fisker | always find a dungeon when i'm out getting something |
| 10:49.14 | zenzio | bleeter: hm, I see |
| 10:49.53 | bleeter | zenzio: if it waddles and quacks like a spork |
| 10:55.46 | Cide | Fisker, unplug your webcam... it sees. |
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| 11:10.41 | bleeter | http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jnujRPFE6kMQ8Ns22WpjgTun-PHQ |
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| 11:56.21 | frontendloader | is it possible to do UIParent:Hide() |
| 11:58.35 | nevcairiel | sure, thats what happens when you press the "Hide UI" keybind |
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| 12:14.20 | Grum | (alt-z by default afaik) |
| 12:17.22 | Cide | it is also possible to do WorldFrame:Hide() |
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| 12:22.17 | jnwhiteh | You just then can't unhide it unless you have a keybinding for it |
| 12:22.23 | jnwhiteh | since you'll have no chat frame any longer =) |
| 12:22.32 | Cide | indeed |
| 12:22.52 | zenzio | it's the real hard mode |
| 12:23.44 | Cide | "Oh Cecilia": "Kill the Lich King with the world frame hidden" |
| 12:24.18 | p3lim | I want an awesome breakfast, suggestions? |
| 12:24.20 | zenzio | Reward: title "the Blind Seer" |
| 12:24.35 | zenzio | p3lim: what's this "breakfast" of which you speak? |
| 12:24.45 | Cide | I like black and bitter coffee |
| 12:26.01 | p3lim | Like a real big one :p |
| 12:26.10 | p3lim | Preferably it should contain beacon |
| 12:28.06 | p3lim | there we go: http://mrbreakfast.com/ |
| 12:28.26 | foxlit | Hm. This ending is acceptable. |
| 12:28.58 | foxlit | finished ME2 |
| 12:29.17 | zenzio | it is acceptable, but I found it less of an ending than ME1's was |
| 12:29.23 | zenzio | but then we already know there'll be an ME3 |
| 12:29.26 | foxlit | I have nothing to compare to. |
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| 12:53.44 | Wobin | Cide, nah "Joo Janta 200" : Kill the Lich king with the whole screen blacked out. |
| 13:00.04 | Cide | or that |
| 13:07.45 | Wobin | "Blizzard CEO Mike Morhaime said last night that only 30 percent of new World of Warcraft players continuing to play after reaching level 10, with 70 percent dropping out." |
| 13:07.53 | Wobin | "Speaking in Acti Blizzs year-end financial call, however, the exec said the upcoming launch of expansion Cataclysm should bring in more n00bs to the game." |
| 13:08.01 | Wobin | >< |
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| 13:11.54 | Cide | of *new* players |
| 13:12.04 | Cide | says nothing of their current player base |
| 13:12.36 | Cide | in theory it's even more impressive that way |
| 13:12.37 | Wobin | well, that's apparently why the numbers aren't increasing |
| 13:12.42 | Cide | yeah |
| 13:13.09 | Cide | but it also means that 1/0.3 times as many players are trying it out compared to leaving |
| 13:13.40 | Cide | eh, my math is off |
| 13:13.41 | Cide | still |
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| 13:14.00 | olafski | only 30% gets past lvl 10? strange, I thought this stuff was addictive to everyone :) |
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| 13:14.03 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o eir] by eir |
| 13:14.19 | Cide | eir totally hax-unbanned him/herself |
| 13:14.33 | Cide | or eir is a bot |
| 13:14.37 | Cide | either way |
| 13:14.43 | nevcairiel | eir is some silly ban list management bot |
| 13:14.53 | Cide | hax I'm telling you |
| 13:17.50 | zenzio | Google Street View car meets Finn street view car: http://labs.finn.no/da-google-m%C3%B8tte-finn-i-en-rundkj%C3%B8ring/ |
| 13:19.04 | Cide | stupid stupid java |
| 13:21.15 | p3lim | http://p3lim.net/images/nomnom.jpg |
| 13:21.22 | p3lim | i found out what to eat |
| 13:21.37 | mikma | zenzio: ... what? |
| 13:21.42 | Cide | that looks tasty |
| 13:22.06 | nevcairiel | mmm bacon |
| 13:22.11 | Cide | your keyboard looks pretty worn |
| 13:22.40 | p3lim | yeah ive had it for about 3 years |
| 13:22.50 | p3lim | gonna get a new one next week, already ordered it |
| 13:23.12 | Cide | sure. |
| 13:23.35 | p3lim | good keyboard tho :) |
| 13:23.36 | foxlit | p3lim: urgh, keyboard. |
| 13:23.51 | zenzio | mikma: Finn is a Norwegian market type website, and they happen to have their own street view thing for their maps. As that picture shows, their car and Google's car met each other in a roundabout |
| 13:23.56 | olafski | couldn't you just clean it? |
| 13:24.51 | p3lim | its so worn in that it cannot be cleaned |
| 13:25.21 | p3lim | why are you talking about Finn.no? |
| 13:25.33 | zenzio | because I linked a picture from there |
| 13:25.39 | p3lim | ah |
| 13:26.59 | mikma | zenzio: that made more sense. |
| 13:27.01 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/hots_for_sister.png |
| 13:27.10 | mikma | try to read the story from start to end |
| 13:27.14 | mikma | don't skip to the last part |
| 13:30.28 | zenzio | mikma: hahaha |
| 13:30.37 | mikma | zenzio: :D |
| 13:32.09 | amro | mikma: you realize you just told us to skip to the last part |
| 13:32.38 | mikma | amro: people would have done that anyway |
| 13:32.44 | mikma | i just warned them not to do that |
| 13:33.07 | zenzio | it's pretty common for links to be revealed to be not what they appear when you reach the end; so always reach from top to bottom |
| 13:34.13 | mikma | yeah but if you skip right to the end, that will completely ruin the story |
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| 13:42.24 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfYFSBo9mkY&feature=player_embedded |
| 13:42.27 | Wobin | only in Japan =P |
| 13:47.56 | jnwhiteh | 2/11/2010 3:46 amro Processed at DHL Location. Cincinnati Hub, OH |
| 13:47.58 | jnwhiteh | BUT WHERE IS IT NOW? |
| 13:48.21 | amro | what? |
| 13:48.22 | zenzio | why did they process amro? |
| 13:48.25 | jnwhiteh | i dunno9 |
| 13:48.32 | jnwhiteh | i think it might have had a tab in there, and it tab completed |
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| 13:48.34 | jnwhiteh | confusingly enough =) |
| 13:48.38 | zenzio | lol |
| 13:48.40 | amro | haha |
| 13:48.49 | zenzio | 3:46 AM ? |
| 13:49.07 | amro | that must be a fun irc client |
| 13:50.18 | Adys | fail |
| 13:51.31 | mikma | "jews are gross, it's the oly word with ew in it" |
| 13:51.47 | Adys | dew? |
| 13:51.49 | Adys | few? |
| 13:51.49 | amro | few |
| 13:51.51 | Adys | new? |
| 13:51.53 | amro | pew |
| 13:51.59 | amro | askew |
| 13:52.13 | amro | and anyone called andrew |
| 13:52.21 | Adys | yeah but that's still ew |
| 13:52.27 | mikma | whops, it was "religion" not word |
| 13:52.37 | Adys | bewddhism. |
| 13:53.00 | amro | hindewism. |
| 13:53.06 | Adys | ~amro++ |
| 13:53.23 | Adys | not to forget andrewism |
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| 14:07.39 | zenzio | "jews" isn't the religion, it's what... judaism? |
| 14:08.00 | Fisker | yes |
| 14:08.53 | amro | Encyclopaedic Fisker makes a rare appearance |
| 14:09.20 | zenzio | not a very elaborate encyclopedia, but definitely helpful |
| 14:09.36 | zenzio | probably associated with Encyclopedia Dramatica and Uncyclopedia |
| 14:10.17 | jnwhiteh | Is anyone here a tax professional that I could bug for a single question? |
| 14:13.10 | haste | (might want to include country!) |
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| 14:16.00 | Shirik | Why multiple choice is a bad idea for tests |
| 14:16.13 | Shirik | It causes your students to study by writing notes like "The Terranova incident: Boom headshot" |
| 14:16.18 | Shirik | ^ true story I just did |
| 14:17.09 | zenzio | valid point |
| 14:26.10 | nevcairiel | there are so many reasons why multiple choice is bad |
| 14:26.21 | nevcairiel | the only pro reason is that teachers can be lazy about correcting =P |
| 14:27.21 | Fisker | so it's tax evasion eh jnwhiteh? |
| 14:27.48 | Cide | I'd feel cheated if I had to take multiple choice tests |
| 14:27.55 | Cide | lazy frickin teachers |
| 14:28.21 | olafski | if it's just pass/fail it makes sense for some courses imo |
| 14:28.34 | olafski | but it'll be hard to get an actual grade that's representative of your knowledge out of it |
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| 14:30.26 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: no, and I got the answer |
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| 14:31.10 | Shirik | Here's my justification |
| 14:31.18 | Kalroth | Does Fisker fisker? [ ] Yes [ ] No |
| 14:31.28 | Shirik | the terranova incident spawned from someone throwing something overboard and killing someone by it hitting her on the head |
| 14:31.42 | Shirik | "boom headshot" == easy way to remember that |
| 14:32.57 | jnwhiteh | 2/11/2010 9:27 amro Depart Facility Cincinnati Hub, OH |
| 14:33.22 | jnwhiteh | WHERE IS IT GOING? |
| 14:33.22 | amro | TO ME |
| 14:33.22 | zenzio | poor amro |
| 14:33.22 | amro | it's coming to me |
| 14:33.22 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: HELP ME TRACK THIS? |
| 14:33.22 | jnwhiteh | amro: =) |
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| 14:33.37 | Fisker | why does it say amro ? |
| 14:33.48 | jnwhiteh | because the text I copied has a tab.. I think |
| 14:33.50 | jnwhiteh | I have no idea, actually |
| 14:34.03 | jnwhiteh | yep, that's it =) |
| 14:34.41 | Fisker | has to get to indianapolis first i think? |
| 14:35.00 | Fisker | actually no |
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| 14:40.06 | Fisker | http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DHK970 |
| 14:40.08 | Fisker | think it's that one |
| 14:40.47 | Kaelten | g'morning |
| 14:41.06 | Fisker | or maybe not |
| 14:41.08 | Cairenn|afk | and what's so damn good about it? |
| 14:41.37 | Kaelten | uhm, bacon? |
| 14:41.47 | Cairenn | looks around for bacon |
| 14:42.19 | Shirik | "Taiping rebellion: First prophet rises up, has a dream, bam bam bam, total nutcase" |
| 14:42.29 | Shirik | I love history |
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| 14:43.20 | Fisker | http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DHK971 |
| 14:43.24 | Fisker | maybe that one |
| 14:43.33 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 14:43.35 | Shirik | what are you doing |
| 14:43.40 | Shirik | plotting terrorism? |
| 14:43.43 | Fisker | halping jnwhiteh |
| 14:43.45 | Fisker | and yes |
| 14:43.49 | zenzio | Cairenn: good about what? |
| 14:43.59 | Cairenn | mornings |
| 14:44.05 | Shirik | huggles Cairenn |
| 14:44.12 | Wobin | morning Cairenn |
| 14:44.15 | Wobin | and on that note |
| 14:44.18 | Wobin | good night! |
| 14:44.21 | Cairenn | (2010-02-11 09:40:36) Kaelten: g'morning <== was what I was being a smart ass about |
| 14:44.29 | Cairenn | Wobin: cute bear, sweet dreams |
| 14:44.35 | Cairenn | errr, elephant |
| 14:44.39 | Cairenn | god I'm not awake yet :p |
| 14:44.40 | Cairenn | heh |
| 14:45.05 | zenzio | maybe it's just a bear that went through evolution |
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| 14:49.59 | foxlit | http://www.thefump.com/lyrics.php?id=1053 << the insert is awesome, even if the rest of the song is a bit eccentric |
| 14:50.20 | Fisker | i like you Shirik |
| 14:52.22 | aXyde | has anyone checked out if any of these is better for performance/memory then the other? |
| 14:52.23 | aXyde | local function x() end f:SetScript("OnEvent", x) |
| 14:52.23 | aXyde | f:SetScript("OnEvent", function() end) |
| 14:53.32 | foxlit | Stop. |
| 14:53.52 | foxlit | This level of optimization considerations isn't meaningful; use your time on better tings. |
| 14:55.20 | aXyde | well declaring functions/variables (non-) local makes a huge difference and i want to know if it applys here too |
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| 14:59.56 | foxlit | There are reasons to declare variables/functions locally, but performance is significant in only very seldom occurring cases. |
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| 15:01.10 | foxlit | s/very seldom occurring cases./cases that are very seldom. |
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| 15:01.29 | foxlit | Anyhow, benchmark it if you must -- but it shouldn't make any difference that you can measure. |
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| 15:03.19 | amro | aXyde: wow will store the handler in the registry, so there's no difference |
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| 15:07.32 | Kaso | defining functions as local to improve performance is to avoid the global lookup is it not? and in neither of those cases there is a global lookup so its not an issue is it? |
| 15:07.33 | Gagorian | aXyde: 2nd option is worse |
| 15:07.42 | Gagorian | definately |
| 15:08.09 | olafski | I'm seeing some conflicting answers here ;) |
| 15:08.28 | Kaso | Gagorian: what's your reasoning? |
| 15:08.54 | Gagorian | In that case it's not the lookup that's costly. I just came home and I need to take a shower now but I'll explain when I get back unless someone has in the mean time |
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| 15:11.29 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: its already done Indy |
| 15:11.34 | jnwhiteh | it's in Cincinatti now. |
| 15:11.38 | jnwhiteh | or leaving, rather. |
| 15:15.33 | foxlit | Oh wow. |
| 15:15.56 | foxlit | Open the UI options panel while logging taint, and wow grinds to a halt for a few seconds. |
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| 15:19.08 | Fisker | qq moar foxlit |
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| 15:29.20 | Shirik | Cide: eir is freenode's ban list management bot, because our ban list has been getting full too frequently |
| 15:29.26 | Shirik | and most bans we place don't need to be indefinite |
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| 15:30.29 | Ackis | like Fisker right Shirik/ |
| 15:30.57 | Cide- | Shirik: ah |
| 15:32.22 | Kraps | morning |
| 15:32.29 | Shirik | no |
| 15:34.22 | Gagorian | Kaso: Actually, looking at it refreshed now, it doesn't make much a difference really. As it's called by reference after the first time in any case |
| 15:34.39 | Adys | Cide |
| 15:34.45 | Adys | Im almost done being absolutemy AWESOME |
| 15:34.53 | Cide- | how so |
| 15:35.08 | Adys | I'm making a Union datatype in my parser's structures |
| 15:35.15 | Cide- | ok |
| 15:35.22 | Cide- | still not seeing the awesome |
| 15:35.27 | Adys | so you can do somerow.data.item |
| 15:35.33 | A-KO | do the undead actually have any alcohol vendors? |
| 15:35.34 | Adys | or somerow.data.spell |
| 15:35.42 | Adys | both having two completely different structures |
| 15:35.43 | Shirik | He's using python |
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| 15:35.44 | Shirik | don't listen to him |
| 15:35.51 | Shirik | lalalalallaalalala can't hear you |
| 15:35.51 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 15:35.53 | Cide- | python is nice |
| 15:35.55 | Cide- | Shirik: be nice |
| 15:36.04 | Adys | I dont care if you cant hear me I wasnt talking to you |
| 15:36.04 | Cide- | Adys: that's nice |
| 15:36.06 | Adys | javawhore. |
| 15:36.10 | Cide- | ^ |
| 15:36.13 | Shirik | o.O; |
| 15:36.16 | Shirik | I hate Java |
| 15:36.21 | Cide- | see |
| 15:36.22 | Cide- | you were listening |
| 15:36.24 | Adys | lalalalala cant hear you |
| 15:36.28 | Cide- | OUTPLAYED |
| 15:36.33 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Adys!~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (I win) |
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| 15:36.40 | Cide- | he got outplayed too |
| 15:36.50 | Adys | Shirik: Can you join a channel where I have +o please? |
| 15:36.59 | Shirik | I am in 22 channels right now |
| 15:37.03 | Shirik | if you can't kick me, that's your problem |
| 15:37.16 | Adys | you're in 22 useless channels |
| 15:37.31 | Shirik | actually |
| 15:37.33 | Shirik | you have +o in one |
| 15:37.37 | Shirik | you're just not being intelligent |
| 15:37.55 | Adys | yeah well |
| 15:37.55 | Adys | fu |
| 15:37.57 | kneeki | I'm trying to get my macro to show Rejuvenation if my current target is a friendly and the hostile actions when appropriate, anyone care to take a peek? http://www.wowi.pastey.net/132829 |
| 15:38.10 | kneeki | I'd like to not have to hold down alt :( |
| 15:38.32 | olafski | ehh |
| 15:38.38 | olafski | replace mod:alt with [noharm]?? |
| 15:38.40 | olafski | -? :) |
| 15:38.44 | kneeki | o.o |
| 15:38.49 | kneeki | well, i'll try it |
| 15:39.06 | olafski | doesn't seem too complicated |
| 15:39.35 | olafski | to save some space in your macro btw, may I recommend the "ShortMacros" addon? you can replace your sound_enablesfx stuff with /de and /ee to disable and enable errors, respectively ;) |
| 15:39.48 | kneeki | oh? |
| 15:39.55 | Adys | ohhhhh |
| 15:39.56 | olafski | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/shortmacros.aspx |
| 15:39.56 | Adys | Im awesome |
| 15:40.05 | kneeki | is there a way to combine /use 13 and /use 14 into one line? |
| 15:40.11 | olafski | don't think so |
| 15:41.06 | Cairenn | WobWork: when you wake up: http://www.ustream.tv/sfshiba |
| 15:41.26 | Gagorian | Kaso: Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the case where it would matter is if a new closure would be created every time the event is called, but that shouldn't be the case with SetScript |
| 15:41.51 | Gagorian | But if an event would create a new closure and not store a reference, then calling the local function would obviously be way better |
| 15:42.00 | Kaso | yeah that makes sense |
| 15:42.28 | Ackis | Cairenn: I've watched that bitch before |
| 15:42.50 | Cairenn | she's a beautiful bitch |
| 15:43.14 | Ackis | yuppers |
| 15:43.47 | Adys | hahah Cide |
| 15:44.00 | Adys | >>> f[24574].data |
| 15:44.00 | Adys | <wdbc.structures.fields.SubRow object at 0x1d09b10> |
| 15:44.13 | Adys | I removed like 10 debug prints |
| 15:44.23 | Adys | and I kept trying to figure out where that was being printed, I had removed them all |
| 15:44.32 | Adys | took me a while to figure out this was the returned value :/ |
| 15:44.54 | Kaso | that actually reminds me, is there any significant overhead to registering/unregistering events? Is it better for my addon to unregister its events every time the player goes into combat (my addon fiddles with bindings so cant do anything in combat) or is it better for me to just if inCombat return end in my onevent ? |
| 15:45.15 | Adys | Kaso: I'd say latter is better |
| 15:45.33 | Adys | without any sort of evidence to back it up |
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| 15:46.55 | Shirik | I love wiki markup |
| 15:47.02 | sylvanaar_atwork | you do? |
| 15:47.10 | Shirik | only wmf could come up with a syntax where you could type {{~}}~~~~ and mean something |
| 15:47.13 | Adys | What the fuck |
| 15:47.21 | Adys | Cide, halp |
| 15:47.23 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.23 | Adys | TypeError: unbound method index() must be called with GameObject_Chair instance as first argument (got str instance instead) |
| 15:47.43 | Shirik | I think you need to use a GameObject_Chair instance |
| 15:47.47 | Adys | self.__structure IS a GameObject_Chair instance |
| 15:47.55 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure it's a str instance |
| 15:47.57 | kneeki | [noharm] did the job btw :) |
| 15:48.09 | Cide- | Adys: but it's unbound |
| 15:48.14 | Cide- | hence self isn't passed in |
| 15:48.20 | Shirik | yeah |
| 15:48.22 | Adys | why's it unbound? O_o |
| 15:48.24 | Shirik | what Cide said |
| 15:48.28 | Shirik | because it said so |
| 15:48.45 | Ackis | Cairenn: amg puppies sleeping -> eating! |
| 15:48.52 | Adys | Shirik, please don't suck on my genitals before I remove my underwear |
| 15:49.07 | Cide- | Adys: how did you define it in self.__structure? |
| 15:49.21 | Adys | def __init__(self, field, row, structure): |
| 15:49.21 | Adys | self.__structure = structure |
| 15:49.34 | Cide- | how did you define index() in structure? |
| 15:49.56 | Adys | def index(self, column_name): |
| 15:49.57 | Adys | return self.column_names.index(column_name) |
| 15:49.59 | Adys | part of the base class |
| 15:50.11 | Cide- | paste the code for the structure |
| 15:50.31 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/157452/ |
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| 15:50.57 | nevcairiel | it sounds like you managed to set __structure to the actual class, not an instance of it |
| 15:51.13 | Adys | hm |
| 15:51.19 | foxlit | Could SecureCmdOptionParse ever return nill? |
| 15:51.25 | Adys | I think I do return a base class |
| 15:51.35 | foxlit | [Yes, it can.] |
| 15:51.40 | Cide- | nevcairiel: don't think so |
| 15:51.59 | Cide- | oh yeah, maybe |
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| 15:52.05 | nevcairiel | that would explain how he gets an unbound method |
| 15:52.07 | Cide- | Class.index would be unbound, yeah |
| 15:52.09 | Kraps | Cerberus Assult Armor - Available Now! |
| 15:52.26 | Adys | this is where structure comes from |
| 15:52.27 | Kaso | foxlit: "[returns] nil if the command should not be executed" |
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| 15:52.38 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/157455/ |
| 15:52.51 | foxlit | Kaso: basically, if none of the conditioned cases apply |
| 15:53.04 | Adys | and passed to Union() is |
| 15:53.05 | Adys | get_structure = lambda row: GAME_OBJECT_TYPES[row.type] |
| 15:53.07 | Kaso | yeah |
| 15:53.24 | Cide- | Adys: that returns a class I'm guessing |
| 15:53.29 | Adys | Yep |
| 15:53.30 | Cide- | GAME_OBJECT_TYPES is a dict of classes |
| 15:53.33 | Adys | yeah |
| 15:53.36 | Cide- | you never instantiated an object |
| 15:53.41 | Cide- | hence structure is a class |
| 15:53.50 | Cide- | and so structure.index is DBStructure.index |
| 15:53.53 | Cide- | which is unbound |
| 15:53.54 | Adys | come to think of it thats normal |
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| 15:59.48 | Adys | Oh my god it's almost working |
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| 16:15.40 | Shirik | no it's not Adys |
| 16:15.42 | Shirik | it's just python |
| 16:16.29 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 16:19.02 | Adys | CIDE |
| 16:19.31 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/157469/ |
| 16:20.31 | Cide- | nice |
| 16:22.17 | Adys | >>> f[186575].data_3 |
| 16:22.17 | Adys | 180000 |
| 16:22.17 | Adys | >>> f[186575].data.auto_close_timer |
| 16:22.17 | Adys | datetime.timedelta(0, 180) |
| 16:23.15 | Adys | Cide, you know, I've been making these structures more and more portable |
| 16:23.21 | Adys | using them in some other apps |
| 16:23.44 | Cide- | what for? |
| 16:23.46 | Cide- | not that it's bad |
| 16:24.52 | Adys | Cide: Well, they're very easily extensible |
| 16:24.56 | Adys | modulable whatever |
| 16:25.10 | Adys | and the one thing that wins (though I only use that with wow) is multibuild support |
| 16:25.36 | Adys | I did show you the multibuild thing? |
| 16:25.48 | Cide- | the whole def to_12345(self): stuff? |
| 16:26.00 | Adys | yes |
| 16:26.03 | Cide- | ya |
| 16:26.06 | Cide- | kinda neat |
| 16:26.15 | Cide- | also, ping Cide- if you can |
| 16:26.22 | Adys | oh didnt notice |
| 16:26.24 | Cide- | not at my main comp atm |
| 16:26.26 | Cide- | np |
| 16:26.29 | Adys | Cide- Cide- Cide- |
| 16:26.35 | Cide- | arr |
| 16:26.59 | Adys | and for now the deed is done I shall reward myself |
| 16:27.09 | Adys | except i dont have anything to watch anymore :( |
| 16:30.16 | nicoli_s | gonna play some sc2 when it goes into beta adys? |
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| 16:30.24 | Adys | doubt it |
| 16:30.28 | nicoli_s | boo |
| 16:30.32 | Lopeppeppy | ... really? |
| 16:30.35 | Lopeppeppy | Unexpected. |
| 16:30.37 | Adys | I dont have time for it, and not so interested into sc2 |
| 16:31.22 | nicoli_s | well then gimme yer key if you get one |
| 16:31.34 | nicoli_s | i bet blizz would give mmo-champ some if you asked |
| 16:31.58 | Fisker | lol, no. |
| 16:32.21 | Adys | what makes you think that? the whole "we keep datamining suzie" or the whole "we leak cataclysm before blizzcon"? |
| 16:33.17 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 16:33.36 | nicoli_s | hey i mean curse had a spell db up for wotlk in alpha and we still got keys |
| 16:34.01 | Adys | arent you OFS? |
| 16:34.12 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: looks like it should be delivered by tomorrow afternoon |
| 16:34.16 | jnwhiteh | comparing with your shipping record |
| 16:34.18 | jnwhiteh | http://track.dhl-usa.com/TrackByNbr.asp?ShipmentNumber=1100725555 |
| 16:34.20 | jnwhiteh | http://track.dhl-usa.com/TrackByNbr.asp?ShipmentNumber=1104096232 |
| 16:34.46 | jnwhiteh | that would be exciting. |
| 16:34.58 | Fisker | that would be illegal |
| 16:35.09 | jnwhiteh | definitely a slap in the face |
| 16:36.11 | nicoli_s | OFS adys? |
| 16:36.18 | Cairenn | official fan site |
| 16:36.20 | nicoli_s | oh official fan site, yah we is |
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| 16:38.07 | Adys | thats kind of a big deal :P |
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| 16:39.25 | Lopeppeppy | Screwign that up would be bad. |
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| 16:44.58 | cog|work | who the hell specifies 10px font size for code samples on wikibooks.org? |
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| 16:45.42 | Fisker | how can you screw up OFS Lopeppeppy ? |
| 16:45.51 | Fisker | If you got it, you'll pretty much keep it |
| 16:46.42 | Fisker | i find it absolutely hilarious how incgamers are still OFS |
| 16:48.00 | nicoli_s | screw those guys, they screwed me out of like 500 bucks |
| 16:48.39 | nicoli_s | specifically the worldofwar.net guy |
| 16:49.00 | Cairenn | Rushster? |
| 16:49.04 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 16:49.36 | Adys | there are other reasons why incgamers kept ofs status |
| 16:49.47 | Adys | blizzard is usually pretty rough on fansites |
| 16:50.04 | Adys | though depends, blizzard france is extremely rough, EU not so much |
| 16:50.15 | nicoli_s | i was working for him designing a wow spell DB and he paid half up front, the other at the end, well he kept stalling on the end one cuz he was waiting for the item DB to be finished by some other guy, and so after a few months of waiting, they were like "hey, do you mind finishing up this guys work too, and add about a months worth of features not in the contract?" |
| 16:51.17 | zenzelezz | ouch |
| 16:52.17 | nicoli_s | yah and i was still in high school, so i had no idea what my legal options were, so i pretty much just had to drop it |
| 16:52.27 | nicoli_s | so i ended up being paid 500 dollars for like 3 months of work |
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| 16:54.18 | Cairenn | station |
| 16:54.31 | Lunessa | Morning Cairenn. :D Love you too. |
| 16:54.36 | Cairenn | :) |
| 16:54.49 | A-KO | http://burbia.com/homeowner-association-says-no-more-kissing < oh HOAs |
| 16:55.30 | nicoli_s | wow thats fucked up |
| 16:55.30 | zenzelezz | ..? |
| 16:56.03 | A-KO | â 46% of women would give up getting laid for two weeks rather than logging off the Internet for the same amount of time, according to a survey conducted by Intel |
| 16:56.13 | Lunessa | A-KO: HOA's take their authority very seriously. Here in Houston in '91 a neighbor's daughter was fined for kissing her boyfriend on the front porch. |
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| 16:56.22 | nicoli_s | A-KO id probably do the same |
| 16:56.45 | A-KO | Lunessa: this is why I dare them to ever try and start an HOA around me :P |
| 16:56.46 | Cairenn | would be lost without the internet |
| 16:57.02 | A-KO | â There are 500-1,000 deaths per year from autoerotic asphyxiation. that's equal to the numbers of murders in New York City each year. |
| 16:57.04 | A-KO | lolwtf |
| 16:57.09 | Cairenn | getting laid? yeah, well, I can take care of myself |
| 16:57.17 | Lunessa | As much as TV and movies tell us we're all having fantastic sex, the truth is the vast majority of people aren't having it that often, so it's not a hardship to give up what you're not getting. |
| 16:57.53 | nicoli_s | well if i didnt get on the internet for 2 weeks id be fired :P and thatd probably be hard to explain to my boss |
| 16:58.03 | nicoli_s | "sorry i cant come in to work today, i traded internet for sex" |
| 16:58.03 | A-KO | â More than one in three women are having sex at least three times every week. Not quite one in four men (28%) are as lucky. |
| 16:58.34 | A-KO | that's a disturbing statistic |
| 16:58.34 | Fisker | that's a bad deal nicoli_s |
| 16:58.39 | Fisker | internet ftw |
| 16:59.09 | A-KO | you could read that as "more than one in 3 women are cheating on their bfs per week" :P |
| 16:59.59 | A-KO | â Women are having sex 17% more often than the average guy |
| 17:00.08 | nicoli_s | or women have less problem lying about sex than men |
| 17:00.19 | Lunessa | Or that they are defining sex differently, or having sex with women. |
| 17:02.00 | nicoli_s | well i just cant believe that last part lunessa |
| 17:02.15 | nicoli_s | how would that even work unless....they just scissor |
| 17:02.27 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 17:02.28 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: Watch more porn imo |
| 17:02.48 | nicoli_s | lol, its a south park joke |
| 17:02.50 | Gagorian | or one guy has sex with more than one woman |
| 17:02.53 | zenzelezz | how cute, nicoli_s's feigning ignorance |
| 17:03.04 | Lunessa | I don't watch South Park. Not since the first season ended. |
| 17:03.38 | nicoli_s | awww yer crazy, south park just gets better and better |
| 17:03.47 | Fisker | you are a bad person Lunessa |
| 17:03.59 | Lunessa | No, not really. South Park just sucks more and more. |
| 17:04.02 | A-KO | wow |
| 17:04.03 | A-KO | Lunessa |
| 17:04.05 | A-KO | Season 13 was awesome |
| 17:04.06 | A-KO | just an FYI |
| 17:04.09 | Lunessa | And Fisker, this is news to no one. |
| 17:04.16 | A-KO | Kenny getting a GF is probably one of the funniest SP episodes I've ever seen |
| 17:04.57 | Fisker | it was news to me Lunessa |
| 17:04.58 | Fisker | ;( |
| 17:05.30 | Lunessa | Fisker: The fact that girls are different from boys and that the internet is everywhere are news to you. |
| 17:05.49 | Shadowed | the fact that girls exit is news to you! |
| 17:05.52 | Shadowed | exist |
| 17:05.53 | Shadowed | bah |
| 17:07.07 | Fisker | you are a bat man Shadowed |
| 17:07.11 | Shadowed | yes I am |
| 17:07.16 | Shadowed | I'll bat you good |
| 17:08.09 | A-KO | tries to fill up 1.60TB of HD space |
| 17:08.27 | A-KO | you really don't realize how much space 2.73TB is til you try and fill it :P |
| 17:08.38 | durcyn | A-KO: it's surprisingly easy with the help of bittorrent |
| 17:08.38 | A-KO | and I know people with 10-16TB of space |
| 17:08.46 | Fisker | tries to fill up 4.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000TB of HD space |
| 17:08.47 | durcyn | /dev/mapper/vg0-lvol0 13T 4.6T 8.0T 37% /data |
| 17:08.54 | A-KO | nice durcyn |
| 17:08.57 | olafski | biggest share on our local network has 40TB.. don't think he's having trouble filling it either ;) |
| 17:09.10 | A-KO | jesus |
| 17:09.22 | A-KO | see, I don't have trouble filling ot so much as I have trouble filling it w/o getting a warning from Comfuck |
| 17:09.31 | A-KO | "250GB/month" lolol |
| 17:09.33 | durcyn | my fileserver at home is now larger than the one at work |
| 17:09.34 | olafski | he's kind of a loser.. he revels in having more space than other people on campus, but the guy is 38 and has not been a student for at least 15 years |
| 17:10.04 | Lunessa | Nun-a-nuna-nuna-nuna- Shadowed Man! - doesn't quite have the same ring to it. |
| 17:10.23 | Fisker | bat man |
| 17:10.25 | Fisker | not batman |
| 17:10.28 | A-KO | durcyn: that would be the case with me if they didn't recently upgrade the SAN to 15T of usable space..... |
| 17:10.32 | A-KO | but then again |
| 17:10.35 | Shadowed | Lunessa: It does not unfortunately, I'll need a better name |
| 17:10.46 | A-KO | that's 15TB for the entire company on the SAN--while I've got 2.73TB to myself (raid 5 volume) |
| 17:11.08 | Fisker | sure it's not 2.7300000000000000000000TB? |
| 17:11.10 | Lunessa | Yeah, and a good penciler, inker and letterer. You can write your own dialoge though. |
| 17:11.16 | A-KO | Fisker: pretty sure :P |
| 17:12.00 | Shadowed | I write pretty bad, that might not be a good idea |
| 17:12.06 | A-KO | disk space has been an interesting purchase for me--ultimately I'm going to move the raid into a dedicated system connected with a gige switch, and then my PC will be primarily SSDs and maybe 1 large drive for game storage and whatever else. |
| 17:12.07 | Shadowed | It can be the advances of stick figure man |
| 17:12.13 | A-KO | I'm already partially there on the SSD part |
| 17:12.54 | A-KO | they need to hurry up and make sub $200 500GB SSDs |
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| 17:16.28 | Kraps | DWSR: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/785940/22#1140088 |
| 17:16.42 | Kraps | Ackis: ^ |
| 17:17.03 | Shirik | Kraps ^ |
| 17:17.22 | Kraps | Shirik: ohai |
| 17:19.57 | foxlit | For what its worth, the rest of the mob spawning in ME2 seemed to be strictly finite. |
| 17:21.20 | zenzelezz | it seemed to me that there were a handful of situations where mobs kept spawning until you reached checkpoints |
| 17:21.30 | foxlit | ^ Agree with that assessment. |
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| 17:21.41 | Kraps | zenzelezz: i saw that in only one spot |
| 17:21.52 | foxlit | I've had the fortune to stumble onto two in quick succession, but the rest of the game seemed to behave. |
| 17:22.02 | durcyn | you want obnoxious respawns, go play MW2, ugh at that whole game |
| 17:22.31 | zenzelezz | durcyn: I spent so long in the favala (?) before I realised that they would never end |
| 17:22.33 | foxlit | durcyn: The opposite, really. |
| 17:22.34 | Fisker | hehe |
| 17:22.43 | Shirik | what's wrong with MW2 |
| 17:22.49 | foxlit | Praise be upon our strictly finite overlords. |
| 17:22.53 | Fisker | i like how incgamers disregards some anti-spam laws so they can spam me with their omg sc2 news |
| 17:23.22 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 17:23.36 | durcyn | Shirik: in my completely not humble opinion, its entire focus seems to be on forcing you to move faster |
| 17:24.02 | Shirik | meh |
| 17:26.16 | foxlit | Either style is sort of okay; you just don't want to mix the two. |
| 17:26.44 | foxlit | Makes for awkward situations where you're sitting in cover fighting wave after wave thinking that they're bound to run out of droids soon. |
| 17:29.01 | foxlit | I wonder if the new Armory update would lend itself to identifying alts. |
| 17:29.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (~Vilkku@88.193.199.46) |
| 17:29.17 | foxlit | Riffle through a few months of history, and see who never logged on at the same time. |
| 17:29.21 | Vilkku | goooooooooooooood evening |
| 17:30.15 | Vilkku | so |
| 17:30.21 | Adys | interesting stats A-KO |
| 17:30.35 | Vilkku | any recommendations for a mod that autorepairs? I know of Quick Repair but looking for alternatives as well |
| 17:30.41 | Shadowed | I'm not sure you could really do that accurately foxlit |
| 17:30.50 | Adys | you can probably calculate the average amount of guys women cheat on through that |
| 17:31.11 | foxlit | Shadowed: It's one-sided error, though -- so it's bound to get better over time. |
| 17:31.39 | Shadowed | Maybe if you did some logic and magic to figure out how long someone is logged in, but accounting for things like people who maybe swap characters during a fight or you do a heroic and loot something would be hard to identify I think |
| 17:32.08 | Lunessa | I don't want to publicly tie my characters to my real space identity for random strangers, this is why I don't use the WoW Facebook app. |
| 17:32.53 | Cairenn | stranger danger! |
| 17:32.56 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 17:33.20 | cbreak | when using that facebook thing, you throw any expectation of privacy out of the window |
| 17:33.26 | Lunessa | I'm fine with it being Opt In like it is. :) |
| 17:33.28 | Shadowed | I don't use the facebook app cause then I look like even more of a geek than I already am :P |
| 17:33.32 | Adys | [19:33:20] <cbreak> when using facebook, you throw any expectation of privacy out of the window |
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| 17:37.22 | Shirik | "Nobody likes phillipinos. Phillipines = $ + pew pew" |
| 17:37.47 | haste | is that some... PERL!? |
| 17:38.22 | Shirik | Shorthand for "Decision to keep the phillipines by US: Phillipinos were not invited to treaty talks. US interested in Phillipines because it is a strategic military point and good for economy" |
| 17:38.30 | Shirik | Ishould start writing my notes in perl |
| 17:38.31 | Shirik | that would be epic |
| 17:39.28 | Shadowed | but you'd never understand them |
| 17:39.38 | Shirik | "mac decides americans want php" |
| 17:39.43 | Shirik | ^ also epic |
| 17:42.58 | Fisker | do it Shirik |
| 17:44.58 | foxlit | soloed Keleseth |
| 17:45.10 | foxlit | failed to do that last year, on a different character. |
| 17:47.54 | Fisker | foxlit fail |
| 17:53.30 | Shirik | Lopeppeppyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 17:53.34 | Shirik | are you feeling better? |
| 17:53.41 | Shirik | Cairenn |
| 17:53.48 | Shirik | what are you doing awake so early |
| 17:53.52 | Shirik | did you even go to sleep? |
| 17:54.07 | Cairenn | I've been in bed by midnight every night for a week now |
| 17:54.07 | nicoli_s | shirikkkkk |
| 17:54.12 | nicoli_s | why do you ask so many questions |
| 17:54.17 | nicoli_s | :P |
| 17:54.30 | durcyn | he's learning how to talk to women, leave him alone. |
| 17:54.38 | nicoli_s | lol |
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| 17:55.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Shadowed (~Shadowed@li89-205.members.linode.com) |
| 17:55.47 | Shadowed | Apparently when you kill your proxy, you get disconnected from things going through it |
| 17:55.49 | Shadowed | fact of th day |
| 17:57.05 | zenzelezz | "www.worldofwarcraft-account-securitycheck.com/account/support/login-support.htm"... who would actually think that Blizzard set up a separate domain just for that? |
| 17:57.13 | Shadowed | A lot of people |
| 17:57.37 | foxlit | But you can restart sshd without losing your ssh connection. Try this at home. |
| 17:57.38 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@d86-32-145-161.cust.tele2.at) |
| 17:58.02 | Shadowed | not when you kill the terminal that's doing the SOCKS tunnel! |
| 17:58.57 | zenzelezz | trying to load the site just gives a "400 Bad Request" with message "invalid hostname" |
| 17:59.01 | Lopeppeppy | Socks!!!! |
| 17:59.04 | zenzelezz | where's the fun in that |
| 17:59.15 | Shirik | :( durcyn |
| 17:59.20 | Shadowed | Lopeppeppy: on a box? |
| 17:59.20 | Shirik | nicoli_s because I can! |
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| 17:59.32 | nevcairiel | This web page at www.worldofwarcraft-account-securitycheck.com has been reported as a web forgery and has been blocked based on your security preferences. |
| 17:59.34 | nevcairiel | yay firefox |
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| 18:00.11 | Lopeppeppy | sexy |
| 18:00.15 | foxlit | "Bad Request (Invalid Hostname)" |
| 18:01.47 | Fisker | more like nay nevcairiel |
| 18:02.08 | nevcairiel | nays Fisker |
| 18:02.16 | cog|work | There's a local chain of stores called the Sock Spot. They have ads on the radio that sound more like ads for an adult store "'Cause everybody loves great Socks" |
| 18:02.34 | Lopeppeppy | Deliberate, I'd bet. |
| 18:02.37 | cog|work | idd |
| 18:02.41 | cog|work | it's quite clever imo |
| 18:02.45 | Fisker | nevcairiel 1. the site is down, therefor no longer a threat 2. if you need to have a warning you're stupid 3. Chrome did it |
| 18:02.53 | cog|work | makes me want socks! ;) |
| 18:03.04 | Shadowed | I would think it's hard to stay in business only selling socks |
| 18:03.06 | nevcairiel | i dont need to have a warning, but its still nice t have one =P |
| 18:03.15 | nevcairiel | besides, it checks before even connecting, which is neat |
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| 18:03.49 | Lopeppeppy | I desperately need socks. |
| 18:04.01 | Fisker | http://i45.tinypic.com/2a7apw8.gif |
| 18:04.25 | cog|work | Shadowed: apparently |
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| 18:04.37 | DWSR | lulz Fisker |
| 18:04.39 | Shadowed | Sock Spot sounds like your spot to go to then Lopeppeppy |
| 18:04.41 | cog|work | "I went to this place yesterday and was disappointed to see that it no longer exists. Although it's in the directory and there is a Sock Spot sign above the location, the store is completely empty." |
| 18:04.47 | DWSR | Shadowed: Where can I turn off fade out of frames in SUF? |
| 18:04.51 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: come take some of mine, I have too many |
| 18:05.05 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Don't do it. zenzelezz has a foot fetish |
| 18:05.15 | Lopeppeppy | explains the too-many-socks thing. |
| 18:05.18 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 18:05.22 | zenzelezz | nonsense, peppy knows my fetishes are quite different |
| 18:05.24 | nevcairiel | nah, zenzelezz has a peppy fetish |
| 18:05.28 | cog|work | Fisker: no u? |
| 18:05.43 | foxlit | Can Ensidia even do ICC 25 hardmodes yet? |
| 18:05.51 | nevcairiel | nop |
| 18:05.55 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: No socks necessary |
| 18:05.58 | zenzelezz | not the 25 people from the first run |
| 18:05.59 | Shirik | go get some sandals, etc. |
| 18:06.15 | nevcairiel | well they could if they have one person that killed the LK and didnt get it reverted |
| 18:06.26 | nicoli_s | we have this awesome store in town called simply "WE GOT SOCKS!" |
| 18:07.55 | zenzelezz | there's a husband and wife in town who run a combined optometrist/dentist store, called "(an) eye for (an) eye, (a) tooth for (a) tooth" (an/a's added to form the English expression... in Norwegian it lacks them) |
| 18:08.37 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Does it lack them because that's the way Norwegian is, or does it lack them purposely? |
| 18:08.47 | zenzelezz | because of the way the language works |
| 18:09.23 | DWSR | Well, then I'd argue that when you're translating, you add them in and that you shouldn't need to really say anything. :P |
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| 18:09.52 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 18:10.13 | DWSR | How long was Ensidia's ban? |
| 18:10.15 | zenzelezz | DWSR: I would tend to agree, but in this case it kept sounding so wrong if I left them out |
| 18:10.23 | *** join/#wowuidev nuoHep (~nuoHep@89.222.156.36) |
| 18:10.31 | krka | öje för öje, tann för tann? |
| 18:10.35 | alestane | beyond.com just sent me an email whose subject reads, "<html><body></body> </html>". |
| 18:10.35 | alestane | I think they're having some sort of issue. |
| 18:10.45 | DWSR | zenzelezz: I would just transparently add them in. Things like this are the reason that translation programs don't work well. |
| 18:11.13 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Since there's so many nuances to translation, like adding participles. |
| 18:11.18 | zenzelezz | DWSR: true |
| 18:11.26 | zenzelezz | krka: yes |
| 18:11.40 | krka | nice, i apparently know norwegian :) |
| 18:12.10 | krka | i meant to say à instead of à though |
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| 18:12.32 | zenzelezz | aha; then you're a little more off - øye for øye, tann for tann |
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| 18:13.10 | alestane | And what's this mean, for those of us not Scandinavian? |
| 18:13.47 | Thunder_Child | L2Scrollup |
| 18:14.39 | alestane | I don't scroll up more than 4 minutes until the log goes public, next. |
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| 18:17.50 | Lopeppeppy | purple |
| 18:17.59 | alestane | Fuschia? |
| 18:18.15 | zenzelezz | magenta |
| 18:18.34 | Shadowed | blue > all |
| 18:19.14 | Fisker | giev moar lag |
| 18:19.25 | Shirik | agree with blue |
| 18:19.46 | Adys | I'm going with white |
| 18:19.56 | Lopeppeppy | orange crush |
| 18:19.59 | DWSR | huh? |
| 18:20.05 | Adys | not just any white, the little spots of white that are on Shirik's genitalia |
| 18:20.10 | Shadowed | are we talking songs or color |
| 18:20.12 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:20.13 | Kraps | http://www.masseffect2faces.com/index.php check out the celeb category, lots of good likenesses |
| 18:20.16 | DWSR | Shadowed: |
| 18:20.25 | Adys | Shirik: Ive seen it, you cant lie to me |
| 18:20.52 | Adys | or maybe I'm thinking of someone else |
| 18:21.10 | zenzelezz | you should watch where you aim next time then Adys |
| 18:21.35 | Torhal | Shirik: Know of any good IM clients for Gentoo that aren't masked? |
| 18:21.36 | Adys | speaking of dirty, annoying, sticky things that make you wanna throw up |
| 18:21.38 | Adys | wheres fisker? |
| 18:21.48 | DWSR | Torhal: Are you using ~x86? |
| 18:21.52 | Torhal | Erm, masked for amd64 that is :) |
| 18:21.52 | nicoli_s | pining for sc2 adys |
| 18:21.57 | Adys | ~x86? |
| 18:21.58 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, x86 is this frankinsteins monster of a system compaired to arm. |
| 18:22.00 | Shirik | not sure really Torhal |
| 18:22.11 | DWSR | Torhal: Ah, use ~x64 |
| 18:22.11 | Adys | whats that? something between x81 and x88? |
| 18:22.25 | Shirik | don't do that |
| 18:22.27 | Shirik | use package.keywords |
| 18:22.44 | Adys | ~64 |
| 18:22.48 | DWSR | Kraps |
| 18:22.53 | Adys | ~0 |
| 18:22.54 | purl | 0 is, like, 1, or 0, or a number damnit!! |
| 18:23.03 | Kraps | DWSR: |
| 18:23.04 | Adys | huh |
| 18:23.10 | Adys | seeing dammit spelt this way really itches the eye |
| 18:23.17 | Adys | i guess 6 months of xkcd paid off |
| 18:23.17 | DWSR | Did you pick up the new Cerberus Weapon/Armor for DLC? |
| 18:23.40 | Kraps | DWSR: yes |
| 18:23.44 | Shirik | Torhal: echo fullyqualified/package-andversion >> /etc/portage/package.keywords |
| 18:23.48 | DWSR | Kraps: Any good? |
| 18:23.56 | Kraps | forgot there was a weapon :/ |
| 18:24.02 | DWSR | Shirik: Can't you do fullqualified/package? |
| 18:24.06 | Torhal | Shirik: Danke |
| 18:24.08 | Shirik | bad idea |
| 18:24.20 | Shirik | just because the current one is ok doesn't mean the next one is |
| 18:24.27 | Shirik | unmasking should be a manual operation, not an automatic one |
| 18:24.46 | DWSR | Torhal: If you use ~x64, you get all of beta packages. Beta in Gentoo means "really really stable and tested, just not tested enough to make it mainline" |
| 18:24.52 | Shirik | don't listen to him |
| 18:24.54 | DWSR | I've never had a problem with using ~x64. |
| 18:24.54 | Shirik | he's evil |
| 18:25.05 | DWSR | However, what Shirik advised is the safer root. |
| 18:25.08 | Shirik | then again |
| 18:25.11 | Shirik | I run gentoo primarily on servers |
| 18:25.16 | Shirik | so I'm a little more concerned with this stuff |
| 18:25.24 | DWSR | yes Shirik. |
| 18:25.35 | DWSR | x64 is perfectly fine in non-mission critical applications |
| 18:25.39 | Shirik | however |
| 18:25.41 | DWSR | err, ~x64.\ |
| 18:25.45 | Shirik | There is one thing that is vital for success |
| 18:26.04 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:26.06 | Shirik | echo app-editors/emacs >> /etc/portage/package.mask |
| 18:26.06 | Lopeppeppy | That's it, my boss is gone for the next week and a half. |
| 18:26.13 | DWSR | amen Shirikl |
| 18:26.26 | Shirik | My package.mask file: |
| 18:26.28 | Shirik | app-editors/emacs |
| 18:26.28 | Shirik | virtual/emacs |
| 18:26.28 | Shirik | =dev-python/epydoc-3.0.1 |
| 18:26.52 | Shirik | I actually have no idea why that third one is there, probably some conflict |
| 18:27.40 | DWSR | Kraps: Is the Cerberus Armor armor pieces? Or is it a whole suit like the others? |
| 18:27.44 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: now you can finally run around naked at work! |
| 18:28.03 | Kraps | whole suit DWSR :( |
| 18:28.20 | DWSR | So so so fail. |
| 18:28.32 | Shirik | oh Torhal |
| 18:28.44 | Shirik | if you specify the version, you need an = in front of the package name |
| 18:28.46 | Shirik | like I just showed above |
| 18:28.56 | DWSR | WOW. |
| 18:29.04 | DWSR | The Cerberus armor is hideous./ |
| 18:29.08 | DWSR | Also, wtf at its benefits? |
| 18:29.19 | DWSR | heavy weapon ammo +10% health and shields +10%? |
| 18:29.31 | DWSR | I find your lack of win disturbing. |
| 18:31.11 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/100211.html |
| 18:36.17 | Shirik | I find your lack of lose concerning |
| 18:36.27 | Shirik | Adys: You know what else is not funny? |
| 18:36.36 | Adys | UR MOM |
| 18:36.37 | Shirik | Garfield minus garfield |
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| 18:39.08 | Ancu | Did anyone here do the crushing the crown quest? if so, where are the crown sprinklers in wintergrasp? |
| 18:39.24 | Adys | they're not in wg |
| 18:39.24 | Adys | :P |
| 18:39.27 | cbreak | there were some east of dalaran |
| 18:39.34 | cbreak | crystalsong |
| 18:39.40 | Adys | yes those are the only ones |
| 18:39.41 | Ancu | winter spring, and working on a lowby toon |
| 18:39.45 | Adys | look at your map |
| 18:39.48 | Adys | ah |
| 18:39.52 | Thunder_Child | or look at wowhead |
| 18:39.57 | Adys | lowbie ones i dunno |
| 18:40.01 | Ancu | and the quest says east of everlook |
| 18:40.09 | Adys | look at your map |
| 18:40.23 | Ancu | but i dont see them and there is nothing in light headed, and I did |
| 18:41.04 | Ancu | FOUND THEM! they where higher up |
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| 18:48.28 | Dagmar | The quest log does kind of say exactly where they're at... and they're somewhat largish |
| 18:49.30 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.30 | alestane | *thunk* |
| 18:50.17 | Lopeppeppy | whyfor self-abuse? |
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| 18:51.15 | Kraps | DWSR: i beg to differ, what could be worse that GIANT BUG armor? |
| 18:51.20 | alestane | My school chair has apparently decided that since no-one takes a class and its prerequisite at the same time, the best way to avoid scheduling conflicts is to schedule such classes for the same time block. |
| 18:51.53 | alestane | For instance, Animation I and Animation II both on Tuesday morning. |
| 18:52.15 | KarlKFI|work | same teacher? |
| 18:52.23 | Thunder_Child | might be a problems for the teachers |
| 18:52.28 | Thunder_Child | problem* |
| 18:52.30 | alestane | That's just it, we really only have one qualified teacher. |
| 18:52.31 | DWSR | Kraps: The Collector Chitin armor definitely looked better than the Cerberus armor. |
| 18:52.35 | alestane | For those two courses. |
| 18:52.46 | Lopeppeppy | yeah... the idea was good, but the practicality leaves much to be desired. |
| 18:53.28 | Thunder_Child | it works if there are enough enstructors to go around |
| 18:53.30 | alestane | Visual Design Principles and Interactive Communication Design I on the same morning, and while I might be able to take one of those off Gail, I can't teach either one at the same time as Game Design Strategies. |
| 18:53.39 | Thunder_Child | instructors* |
| 18:53.45 | Thunder_Child | my brain is not working this morning |
| 18:53.47 | Lopeppeppy | So he looked at courses, not at people. |
| 18:54.03 | alestane | He's scheduling to avoid any conflicts for the STUDENTS. |
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| 18:54.12 | Dagmar | Go over and congratulate him on having solved the funding problem and ask when they'll be interviewing new people to fill the positions |
| 18:54.14 | KarlKFI|work | which is funny because one of my first CS courses had us design a class scheduler |
| 18:54.23 | Lopeppeppy | Invalid course schedule does not take into account the only FINITE resource, instructors. |
| 18:54.45 | KarlKFI|work | i'm sure UCI has hundreds of schedulers on file |
| 18:55.15 | Lopeppeppy | always recreating the wheel, these deans are. |
| 18:55.20 | Lopeppeppy | Trust me. I work with them. |
| 18:55.39 | alestane | Otherwise he could end up scheduling a class for both Animation I and Interactive Communication Design I, which is valid for curriculum reasons, on the same morning, which is obviously not feasible for the students in question. |
| 18:55.53 | DWSR | Kraps: BTW, Pull Field = fucking win |
| 18:56.04 | DWSR | I'm absolutely tearing through Mordin's loyalty mission with it. |
| 18:56.16 | KarlKFI|work | pull field is fun, but i like Reave insta kill |
| 18:56.18 | DWSR | Samara with max'ed class talent + Pull Field = facerape CC. |
| 18:56.27 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: I spec'ed for Heavy Reave with Shepard. |
| 18:56.29 | Dagmar | Silly Krogan... vulnerable to lapses in gravity |
| 18:56.38 | alestane | Is this ME2, or some other exciting new game? |
| 18:56.53 | KarlKFI|work | ME2 the onyl other agme at is BioShock 2 |
| 18:57.00 | KarlKFI|work | game atm* |
| 18:57.03 | Dagmar | Here I am only about 5/6 of the way through Bioshock 2 |
| 18:57.23 | DWSR | I hear BS2 was pretty good, but not outstanding. |
| 18:57.28 | Dagmar | Spoiler: You shoot MANY people inna face. For varying degrees of "people" |
| 18:57.49 | Dagmar | I think they overdid combat damage a bit |
| 18:58.01 | KarlKFI|work | I'm not gonna play BS2. i'm protesting because BS1 is fucking broken on my video card and no one bothered to fix it |
| 18:58.19 | Dagmar | There will be times even in normal mode you'll find yourself just dying because it's less hassle than bothering with hacking the bots they throw at you |
| 18:59.02 | DWSR | Kraps: New Cerberus Shotgun > * |
| 18:59.20 | Dagmar | It needs to fire exploding phosphorous rounds |
| 18:59.30 | DWSR | IT does if you get Inferno ammo. |
| 18:59.30 | KarlKFI|work | nah, the super assult rifle > * |
| 18:59.39 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: Which one? The Collector one? |
| 19:00.05 | KarlKFI|work | have you got to the poitn you choose one of 3 super weapons? |
| 19:00.19 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: Did you play it on Hardcore or Insane? |
| 19:00.35 | KarlKFI|work | hard |
| 19:00.46 | DWSR | There's beginner, normal, vet, hardcore, insane. |
| 19:00.53 | DWSR | If you play on Hardcore or Insane, you get additional unlocks. |
| 19:00.58 | DWSR | s/beginner/casual/ |
| 19:01.03 | KarlKFI|work | unlocks? |
| 19:01.05 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 19:01.09 | KarlKFI|work | of what |
| 19:01.13 | DWSR | Your "super weapons", for example. |
| 19:01.20 | DWSR | You unlock additional weapons. |
| 19:01.55 | KarlKFI|work | so? |
| 19:02.00 | Ancu | where the hell is jerimiah payson? |
| 19:02.11 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: I haven't played it on Hardcore/Insane. |
| 19:02.15 | DWSR | So, I haven't got the super weapons |
| 19:02.20 | Ancu | jeremiah* |
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| 19:02.57 | KarlKFI|work | lame |
| 19:03.07 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: Yeah, I'm playing it on Veteran, right now. |
| 19:03.21 | Dagmar | Undercity |
| 19:03.31 | DWSR | Next playthrough is definitely hardcore |
| 19:03.32 | Kraps | i find the min/maxing on the Bioware forums strange, because i only associate min/maxing with wow :D |
| 19:03.42 | KarlKFI|work | the super assult rifle has a ton of ammo and I STILL ran out of ammon on the last boss. |
| 19:03.54 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: Which heavy weapon do you like the most? |
| 19:04.04 | Dagmar | Kraps: It's becasue they've got munchkin intelligence and have seen min/maxers do well in other games |
| 19:04.04 | KarlKFI|work | collector beem |
| 19:04.07 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: I'm really enamored with the ray gun. |
| 19:04.07 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 19:04.17 | DWSR | Freakin winsauce. |
| 19:04.18 | KarlKFI|work | it burns ammo tho |
| 19:04.25 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 19:04.31 | DWSR | I have the heavy weapon ammo pack on my armor. |
| 19:04.35 | NeoTron | KarlKFI|work: the assault rifle you pick up in the collector ship sucks ass |
| 19:04.49 | NeoTron | I used it for that one mission and then spent the remaining time regretting not picking up the sniper rifle |
| 19:04.51 | KarlKFI|work | nah NeoTron, it jsut has a wide spray |
| 19:04.56 | NeoTron | it has lots of ammo but you can't fricking hit anything |
| 19:05.05 | KarlKFI|work | so dont snipe with it? |
| 19:05.09 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 19:05.11 | NeoTron | the collectors assault rifle is a lot better |
| 19:05.23 | Kraps | DWSR: min/maxing is a good idea on hardcore, and practically required on insane |
| 19:05.29 | KarlKFI|work | sniping with assult rifle = youre doing it wrong |
| 19:05.45 | DWSR | How the fuck do you min/max? |
| 19:05.47 | NeoTron | give me infinite ammo and I'll stick to sniping anything that needs sniping |
| 19:05.49 | DWSR | I just....get a good synergy going on. |
| 19:05.50 | KarlKFI|work | i might do insane for a 2nd play through |
| 19:06.01 | NeoTron | assault rifle = middle between sniper rifle and shotgun |
| 19:06.03 | DWSR | I mean, when I'm ripping through enemies without really thinking too much about it, I assume I'm doing t right. |
| 19:06.11 | DWSR | NeoTron: No. |
| 19:06.13 | NeoTron | an assault rifle with shotgun spread => might as well use shotgun |
| 19:06.20 | DWSR | AR = between shotgun and heavy pistol. |
| 19:06.37 | DWSR | heavy pistol between AR and SR. |
| 19:06.41 | KarlKFI|work | except both those are slow firing |
| 19:06.42 | DWSR | Heavy pistol = facerape. |
| 19:07.00 | DWSR | If you need to hit something really far away, but you don't have your SR out, use your heavy pistol. |
| 19:07.04 | Dagmar | You only need a high-rate of fire if you can't aim |
| 19:07.06 | DWSR | Or, just use your heavy pistol. |
| 19:07.10 | jnwhiteh | ICC10 requiring 2.8k hgs for healers is just plain stupid |
| 19:07.19 | jnwhiteh | there's a shit of difference between 2.6 and 2.8 for healers |
| 19:07.26 | DWSR | ICC10 requiring hgs is just plain stupid <- fixed. |
| 19:07.39 | jnwhiteh | k k:P |
| 19:07.47 | alestane | hgs? |
| 19:07.49 | Dagmar | "hgs"? |
| 19:08.02 | alestane | That doesn't sound like short for "hugs". |
| 19:08.05 | Kraps | DWSR: your talents + special power + 11 teammates + their talents and special powers = min/max |
| 19:09.28 | DWSR | Kraps: Yeah, that's true. |
| 19:09.39 | DWSR | Kraps: Though, it seems to me that a lot of ME2 min/max is common sense. |
| 19:10.01 | DWSR | If you're going into a mission with the Geth, bring along engineers. |
| 19:10.02 | DWSR | etc. |
| 19:10.28 | KarlKFI|work | Step 1) pick the thing that does the most damage or CC's the most people and then pick team mates that have what you dont. |
| 19:10.44 | Dagmar | ROughly translates to "not playing like someone who can't read the language"? |
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| 19:11.10 | KarlKFI|work | tho really you can beat it with anything. |
| 19:11.25 | KarlKFI|work | you can kill all the organics with 2 heavy tech allies if you want |
| 19:11.32 | KarlKFI|work | just distract them with drones |
| 19:12.04 | NeoTron | drones = op |
| 19:12.22 | KarlKFI|work | 3 drones = lol |
| 19:12.29 | DWSR | pull field + area reave + area incinerate = winsauce. |
| 19:12.36 | NeoTron | they are great for things like the controlled drones |
| 19:13.01 | NeoTron | I like legion + moradin combo |
| 19:13.17 | NeoTron | legion => distract until I can blow down the barrier, moradin => blow away most of the armor in one shot |
| 19:13.17 | KarlKFI|work | i was satisfied with there being plenty of ways to get it done |
| 19:13.34 | KarlKFI|work | insane might be a bit more pigion holed |
| 19:13.47 | NeoTron | the main improvement in ME2 is the fact that you don't just pick two people and run with them. mission parameters makes different people benefitial in different ways |
| 19:13.49 | DWSR | Yeah, it is, I imagine. |
| 19:14.07 | NeoTron | and as you say you can pick people more freely for fun, at least on lower difficulties |
| 19:14.14 | DWSR | NeoTron: The fact that they made it so that you can actually use more than 2 squadmates without requiring a seperate set of decent weapons + armor is really nice. |
| 19:14.24 | KarlKFI|work | ^^ |
| 19:14.38 | DWSR | That was my biggest problem in the last game. |
| 19:14.56 | KarlKFI|work | ME2 still needed a commodity exchange. |
| 19:14.57 | DWSR | I just picked the 2 squadmates who had the powers I was lacking and then just upgraded their shit throughout the whole game. |
| 19:15.01 | KarlKFI|work | mining was a pita |
| 19:15.09 | NeoTron | in ME1 I was a solider and I had Tali and Liara as my squad mates because they were pure tech/pure biotic |
| 19:15.15 | NeoTron | and thus made for the most efficient team |
| 19:15.16 | DWSR | NeoTron: That's what I did. |
| 19:15.17 | KarlKFI|work | ^^ |
| 19:15.36 | NeoTron | both game really failed on resources in general |
| 19:15.41 | DWSR | Then I picked up the Spectre Shotgun. |
| 19:15.54 | DWSR | threw on a heat sink, kept an ammo for each type of enemy. |
| 19:15.57 | NeoTron | ME1 => horrible inventory system, money without any real meaning for the most part (i.e you get much more than you'd ever need) |
| 19:15.57 | DWSR | And went to town. |
| 19:16.12 | DWSR | NeoTron: Money was useful for the spectre weapons |
| 19:16.14 | NeoTron | ME2 => money = gated progression, really not worth anything still, resource gathering => wtflol? |
| 19:16.14 | DWSR | That's all, though |
| 19:16.25 | DWSR | NeoTron: Try playing the game on a harder difficulty. |
| 19:16.33 | Dagmar | NeoTron: It had a point. It's point was to punish you for not throwing things away |
| 19:16.37 | DWSR | Also, if you don't have a certain level of upgrades for your squad, they die during the final mission |
| 19:16.43 | NeoTron | ME2 could just as well have ignored money and just given you choice of picking upgrades along the way |
| 19:17.05 | Dagmar | "OHAI! U just went to tha menuz. U haz too much stuff! Single click to destroy 28 of the coolest things u got so far" |
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| 19:17.16 | Dagmar | Madness. |
| 19:17.43 | NeoTron | Dagmar: Simply put, it was a horrible UI |
| 19:18.26 | Dagmar | The UI wasn't as much of a problem as "You must discard NEW things, not old ones." |
| 19:18.46 | NeoTron | nah the ui was bad, in general |
| 19:18.47 | DWSR | It's hilarious to watch Shepard run around with 2 pieces of collector weaponry on his back |
| 19:18.55 | DWSR | Collector Beem rifle and Collector AR. |
| 19:18.55 | NeoTron | it's not hard to think of improvements |
| 19:20.13 | Dagmar | NeoTron: CLearly you weren't forced to turn medical armor VII and Combat Scanner VII into omni-gel *twice* before you could actually use them |
| 19:20.32 | NeoTron | of course the WoW inventory system also clearly fails after 5 years |
| 19:20.43 | NeoTron | the default one I mean. It's horribly user unfriendly |
| 19:20.44 | KarlKFI|work | Baggins ftw |
| 19:20.48 | alestane | Shirik: Didn't you say something a week or two ago about the Air Force or the FAA writing some of their software entirely using UML and code automation packages? |
| 19:20.59 | NeoTron | right you can make it useful but compared to say SWG, it's pathetic |
| 19:21.08 | NeoTron | SWG's inventory system was actually really nice |
| 19:21.17 | zenzelezz | it confused me at first |
| 19:21.34 | NeoTron | perhaps so, but the ability to sort by various fields for example was nice |
| 19:21.42 | zenzelezz | then I got tired of trying to level Scouting or whatever, and quit |
| 19:22.42 | DWSR | Getting upgrades in the second playthrough is so rediculous. |
| 19:22.54 | DWSR | You burn through all of your Iridium, Platinum and Palladium so quickly. |
| 19:23.00 | DWSR | Then you have ~40k Element Zero lying around |
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| 19:23.30 | NeoTron | I really liked the game... two years. They broke it, it was never perfect and sorely lacked interesting end game outside of the rp/crafting type stuff (which of course WoW sorely lacks in) |
| 19:24.33 | zenzelezz | granted I've not played any MMO for long except Anarchy Online and WoW, I've not seen any that appears to have worthwhile crafting in the long run |
| 19:24.49 | Ackis | DWSR: what do you mean by that? you burn through the starting resources? |
| 19:24.54 | DWSR | yeah |
| 19:25.18 | DWSR | excep for eezo. |
| 19:25.32 | Ackis | ah I haven't started my second playthrough yet really, just did the space station mission |
| 19:25.48 | Ackis | been too busy playing NCAA 07! :D |
| 19:25.53 | DWSR | Ackis: You'll burn through all of the starting resources of Iridium, Palladium and Platinum. |
| 19:26.02 | DWSR | Ackis: Then you'll have ~40k eezo left over for....essentially fuck all. |
| 19:26.18 | DWSR | imo, they needed to add another upgrade category to eezo and take it away from Palladium or Platinum. |
| 19:26.26 | Ackis | well you can use eezo for those upgrades once you get someone loyal right? |
| 19:26.48 | zenzelezz | element zero was hard to come by on my first play-through, unless I wanted to spend too much time scouting planets |
| 19:26.48 | DWSR | Ackis: Certain upgrades for squad members require eezo. |
| 19:26.59 | DWSR | Only a few though, not all of them |
| 19:27.09 | Ackis | the biotic/engineering stuff at like 5k a pop |
| 19:27.21 | Ackis | but I meant learning a skill on shep |
| 19:27.52 | NeoTron | zenzelezz: you also need a lot less of it |
| 19:28.19 | NeoTron | zenzelezz: but SWG end game gear was entirely crafting and the quality of the gear depended on the crafters source material and to some degree skill and tenacity |
| 19:28.22 | Kraps | i dont think the plant scanning thing is too bad |
| 19:28.32 | NeoTron | so SWG did have good long term end game craftign since it was the only way to get gear |
| 19:28.40 | Kraps | which should tell you how terrible the Mako was |
| 19:28.50 | NeoTron | Kraps: it's ok the first time around but it's horrible from a replay point of view |
| 19:29.13 | NeoTron | Mako wasn't exactly thrilling and I didn't do all sidequests in ME1 due to the mako and the lack of variety in the sidequests |
| 19:29.16 | DWSR | Kraps: They're adding the Hammerhead. |
| 19:29.23 | DWSR | Kraps: Which is Mako 2.0 |
| 19:29.38 | zenzelezz | Kraps: I remember the Mako, and yeah, that wasn't optimal either... but I disliked sitting around for so long scanning planets |
| 19:29.55 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Yeah. |
| 19:30.02 | DWSR | I'm going to grab every upgrade in the game right before the suicide mission |
| 19:30.09 | DWSR | I want to see just how all powerful you become. |
| 19:30.52 | Kraps | hopefully the hammerhead wont require driving around a whole mounrain to find a small road through |
| 19:31.43 | NeoTron | hammerhead? |
| 19:32.36 | Kraps | [02:29:53]<DWSR>Kraps: They're adding the Hammerhead. |
| 19:32.56 | DWSR | Holy. Shit. |
| 19:33.00 | DWSR | Pull + Throw = rape. |
| 19:34.16 | Dagmar | Cyclone traps are more fun |
| 19:34.20 | Ackis | I like rape |
| 19:34.59 | Cairenn | ... |
| 19:35.04 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis. |
| 19:35.08 | Lopeppeppy | Wicked bad form. |
| 19:35.31 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, bad form for starting it. |
| 19:35.35 | Lopeppeppy | just covers her eyes. |
| 19:37.04 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: It's not rape if you yell suprise? |
| 19:37.14 | zenzelezz | that was never funny |
| 19:37.20 | zenzelezz | why it has survived is beyond me |
| 19:37.23 | durcyn | i'm guessing peppy's never played in the swedish rodeo |
| 19:37.32 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie, I'll come back tomorrow if there's civilization. |
| 19:37.57 | zenzelezz | good job |
| 19:38.31 | Ackis | bah |
| 19:39.20 | durcyn | blame canada. |
| 19:39.27 | Gagorian | blame prison showers. |
| 19:40.25 | zenzelezz | why blame anyone else? You all should know by now that those jokes aren't so popular in here |
| 19:40.26 | Kraps | zomg hax http://www.masseffectsaves.com/ |
| 19:40.36 | Cairenn | wishes she could join Peppy in leaving |
| 19:40.36 | durcyn | old. |
| 19:40.54 | DWSR | Cairenn: Just AFK for a while. |
| 19:40.55 | NeoTron | Kraps: my saves from ME1 was gone so I actually downloaded one that most closely matched my own original playthrough |
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| 19:41.21 | NeoTron | Kraps / DWSR: but what is "the hammerhead"? |
| 19:41.30 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: you're still being too lenient with people |
| 19:41.32 | Dagmar | You know half those saves have gay romance lines, right? |
| 19:41.32 | NeoTron | from the comment I'm guessing it's a land vehicle? |
| 19:41.40 | DWSR | ^6 |
| 19:41.50 | Kraps | NeoTron: a hovercraft i think |
| 19:41.53 | NeoTron | Dagmar: the one I got matched my decision :P |
| 19:42.07 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: I'm trying not to right off the deep end at the moment, and it's VERY difficult |
| 19:42.26 | zenzelezz | everyone else is an ass, why can't you be one? |
| 19:42.41 | zenzelezz | they know they have it coming |
| 19:42.41 | Cairenn | because I try to be a better person than that |
| 19:42.51 | zenzelezz | idealism only goes so far |
| 19:42.51 | NeoTron | Kraps: what I don't understand is ... what's wrong with the shuttle we already use? why the heck use a land craft when we have a VTOL? |
| 19:43.02 | Cairenn | but I am so far beyond furious at the moment that it isn't even funny |
| 19:43.03 | Kraps | yeah, that is win |
| 19:43.26 | Dagmar | I'm still confused |
| 19:43.31 | NeoTron | it seems in ME1 there was no shuttle and the land craft was the landing craft... |
| 19:43.40 | Kraps | ^ |
| 19:43.57 | Dagmar | Oh oh I see |
| 19:44.15 | zenzelezz | launched out of the Normandy (1) in the exact same, uncancelable animation every time; with only the planet and atmosphere changing |
| 19:44.15 | Dagmar | You guys actually _believe_ that EA is delivering a goddamn thing over the Cerberus network for free |
| 19:44.20 | Dagmar | ...or at all. |
| 19:44.26 | Dagmar | You miss the point. |
| 19:44.32 | NeoTron | Dagmar: they did apparently release cerberus armor the other day |
| 19:44.46 | Dagmar | THey added the Cerberus network to further make used game sales impossible, and now they don't have to do a damn thing |
| 19:44.50 | NeoTron | zenzelezz: forced loading screens in ME1 ftw |
| 19:44.59 | NeoTron | Dagmar: I am aware |
| 19:44.59 | zenzelezz | indeed |
| 19:45.03 | Kraps | yeah Dag, take a chillaxative |
| 19:45.08 | NeoTron | zenzelezz: of course ME2 is worse |
| 19:45.21 | NeoTron | I "hacked" my load screens to use a really short video. so much nicer |
| 19:45.43 | zenzelezz | what really irks me in games is when you have to go through either some long conversation, or cut scene, before action... and the game neither autosaves nor allows you to save afterwards |
| 19:46.01 | NeoTron | I much prefer 1-2s load times over watching the same animation again for the 47th time that takes close to 20s |
| 19:46.11 | zenzelezz | exactly |
| 19:46.26 | NeoTron | I also wish there was a way to skip the intro movies |
| 19:46.59 | NeoTron | so i can test games as different classes without spending an hour doing it :P |
| 19:47.18 | zenzelezz | I remember when you could just delete the intro videos to skip them |
| 19:48.29 | zenzelezz | before ME3, I'll have to do ME2 again so Garrus doesn't die |
| 19:49.02 | NeoTron | well I think you still can, in essence, do that |
| 19:49.15 | NeoTron | but instead of deleting, replace them like I replaced all loading screen movies |
| 19:49.44 | NeoTron | also I hacked my config file to disable the two load-logos after one too many crashes |
| 19:49.53 | NeoTron | now the gmae itself starts in a matter of seconds |
| 19:51.50 | foxlit | cerberus network connection still hangs the menu |
| 19:52.08 | zenzelezz | yeah... that's annoying |
| 19:52.10 | Kraps | for me too |
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| 19:53.45 | zenzelezz | man... I was without Internet this weekend and wanted to play ME1 to pass time. Installed it and it goes "zomg activate!". So I go online on my mobile, searching for an activation crack, no dice. Notice there's an open wireless network here, so Saturday morning I go to town, buy a wireless USB thing, and leech just enough to activate it |
| 19:53.49 | zenzelezz | quite frustrating |
| 19:54.17 | KarlKFI|work | heh i was havign some fun installign Deus Ex 2 this week. found a large high res texture replacement pack and a hack to make it run full res on my 30" and then rerendered the bink movies to 16:10 |
| 19:54.53 | KarlKFI|work | it's amazing what a few years can do to a game |
| 19:55.17 | zenzelezz | forget about time, I find it amazing what Ion Storm did to DX2 :( |
| 19:55.33 | KarlKFI|work | you can even play Baldur's Gate with the BG2 engine |
| 19:55.43 | KarlKFI|work | and a ton of additional romance packs lol |
| 19:56.59 | foxlit | zenzelezz: Some of those deaths feel downright evil |
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| 19:57.36 | foxlit | "Hey, they shot your teammates. Nevermind that they've done that a bazillion times, this time it's final!" |
| 19:58.04 | zenzelezz | I figured there'd be something special, so I chose people I didn't like for the fire team and the stay-behind people... like Zaeed |
| 19:58.13 | zenzelezz | and then they go and kill the one person I'm trying to save |
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| 19:58.47 | NeoTron | so here's another disappointment in ME2 - max level is 30! |
| 19:59.01 | NeoTron | so I basically almost hit it my first playthrough making a second playthrough much less enticing |
| 19:59.11 | zenzelezz | I find it amusing that in ME1, towards the end, I was using the sniper rifle just like a shotgun |
| 19:59.14 | NeoTron | basically spending 95% of the game not improving? huh? |
| 19:59.17 | zenzelezz | not quite the same in ME2 |
| 19:59.41 | NeoTron | for the most part, once I get the third sniper rifle (one with more ammo, single shot) I use it almost exclusively |
| 19:59.52 | zenzelezz | same |
| 19:59.53 | NeoTron | except in the end mission since there's a lack of ammo there |
| 20:00.19 | NeoTron | thinking of replaying it as a sniper |
| 20:00.32 | NeoTron | but I'd miss the slow motion mode :P |
| 20:00.34 | zenzelezz | I was pretty surprised, and actually a little disappointed, about the ME2 ending |
| 20:00.47 | NeoTron | what about it specifically? |
| 20:00.55 | foxlit | Meh, I thought we kicked ass. |
| 20:01.01 | foxlit | And took names. But mostly kicked ass. |
| 20:01.04 | zenzelezz | I would have preferred something more reaper (ME1-style) like |
| 20:01.49 | foxlit | I do wonder about the planet (sun?) behind the illusive man changing color. |
| 20:01.59 | zenzelezz | yeah, I noticed that |
| 20:02.20 | foxlit | [And shouldn't people have found him by now using that obvious visual clue?] |
| 20:02.52 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing not many got to meet him... but yeah |
| 20:03.13 | zenzelezz | one thing I've noticed in both ME games, I abandon the "starter" companions almost as soon as I can |
| 20:03.54 | foxlit | I have a feeling companion pathing cheats |
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| 20:04.12 | zenzelezz | how so? The "oops, I'm lost" teleport? |
| 20:04.15 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 20:04.45 | foxlit | It might not actually do that, but since they're usually out of my sight, I'm always puzzle how they manage to get two floors down and engage in a firefight while I'm looking at the scenery |
| 20:05.05 | foxlit | ^d |
| 20:05.33 | zenzelezz | I didn't see it in ME2, but I know it happened often in ME1 if there were lots of twists and turns |
| 20:06.00 | Dagmar | They do warp ahead |
| 20:06.04 | zenzelezz | one thing that annoyed me in ME2 though was when I found the "hey, I can climb this vertical wall and move around... but not get back down" |
| 20:06.15 | zenzelezz | at least three times >.< |
| 20:06.48 | Kraps | twice to me |
| 20:07.26 | foxlit | zero |
| 20:07.26 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=ctrlaltdel&i=1403 |
| 20:09.24 | foxlit | "zenzelezz: one thing I've noticed in both ME games, I abandon the "starter" companions almost as soon as I can" << Opposite effect for me -- tend to stay with companions introduced early |
| 20:09.51 | durcyn | foxlit: you like the racist chick in ME1, eh |
| 20:10.19 | foxlit | Haven't played ME1, so some of the backstory is missing. |
| 20:10.31 | foxlit | Mordin/Jacob, usually. |
| 20:10.33 | Fisker | zenzelezz foxlit |
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| 20:10.37 | zenzelezz | foxlit: may be the personality... Ashley in ME1 and the... uhm, dude in ME2 are too military for me |
| 20:10.57 | zenzelezz | and Miranda... well, she just seemed inadequate |
| 20:11.25 | DWSR | zenzelezz: She's just repressed. |
| 20:11.29 | foxlit | Miranda is slightly whiny. |
| 20:11.56 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 20:12.04 | foxlit | The fun thing is that both cerberus officers seemed pleased at the ending. |
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| 20:12.15 | zenzelezz | I rotated a little who was my second companion, but Garrus was with me from the moment he joined |
| 20:12.23 | zenzelezz | in both games |
| 20:12.24 | foxlit | [I would've imagined they wouldn't be, but hey, apparently I win.] |
| 20:12.50 | zenzelezz | I'd actually forgotten how many references there were to Cerberus in ME1 |
| 20:13.40 | DWSR | Lots. |
| 20:14.00 | zenzelezz | and they were uniformly bad; a.k.a. evil organisation |
| 20:14.37 | DWSR | They were labelled as a terrorist group |
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| 20:14.47 | Kraps | after you do her loyalty mission, Miranda seems much nicer |
| 20:15.04 | DWSR | She is. |
| 20:15.29 | foxlit | Jack was more of why-are-you-making-me-get-her annoyance. |
| 20:15.47 | Kraps | "cheerleader" :p |
| 20:15.48 | zenzelezz | agreed |
| 20:16.26 | Kraps | loved when jack calls her that |
| 20:16.36 | DWSR | Hey man. |
| 20:16.41 | zenzelezz | next playthrough I may stick to Garrus+Wrex all the way |
| 20:16.42 | DWSR | Winners get to go home and fuck the prom queen. |
| 20:16.56 | DWSR | zenzelezz: If you play up a difficulty level, you might change your partners. |
| 20:16.57 | zenzelezz | or Grunt in ME2 |
| 20:17.21 | zenzelezz | DWSR: that's a possibility |
| 20:18.16 | DWSR | Anyone know which combinations of squadmates in the final mission lets ALL of them survive? |
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| 20:19.06 | *** part/#wowuidev Ancu (~c@67.143.148.243) |
| 20:19.09 | Kraps | theres the interwebs for that :) |
| 20:19.24 | DWSR | Guess where I am? ;) |
| 20:19.38 | zenzelezz | I'd rather kill off some so I won't risk getting them back in ME3 ;-p |
| 20:19.40 | Kraps | dunno |
| 20:19.48 | Kraps | lol zen |
| 20:20.05 | DWSR | I want to have my crew at like 20+ |
| 20:20.09 | DWSR | And then go pirate in ME3. |
| 20:21.00 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 20:21.14 | zenzelezz | I do wonder whether you'll still be closely tied to Cerberus in ME3 |
| 20:21.24 | zenzelezz | and if we finally get to meet the Shadow Broker |
| 20:21.33 | DWSR | OH |
| 20:21.35 | DWSR | That reminds me. |
| 20:21.45 | DWSR | Who's the person you need to kill for Liara? |
| 20:21.57 | zenzelezz | none |
| 20:22.07 | DWSR | yes |
| 20:22.10 | DWSR | She has a mission |
| 20:22.18 | DWSR | After you talk to her and then hack the terminals for her. |
| 20:22.22 | foxlit | /hate that planet. |
| 20:22.22 | durcyn | you don't kill anyone |
| 20:22.29 | foxlit | Navigating is a pain :( |
| 20:22.31 | zenzelezz | DWSR: none of them, her helper is a spy |
| 20:22.36 | DWSR | zenzelezz: orly? |
| 20:22.41 | zenzelezz | yarly |
| 20:22.43 | durcyn | it's the secretary all along |
| 20:22.53 | DWSR | Next playthrough |
| 20:23.15 | zenzelezz | you just have to check all the terminals and you'll get "no-one matched" |
| 20:23.17 | durcyn | if you actually bother to find all of the terminals, the only conclusion is that everyone has an alibi |
| 20:24.21 | Dagmar | God forbid you actually use your brain and solve the problem yourself |
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| 20:24.39 | Dagmar | That would be like cheating, since the retarded kids playing it don't have that option. |
| 20:24.48 | zenzelezz | :-p |
| 20:24.52 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:25.01 | Ackis | durcyn: my conclusion was that all the suspects have a penis, yet the person has a vagoo |
| 20:25.06 | zenzelezz | I was hoping to do some brain works to figure the killer, but all I got was "???", then I called her and saw the "no-one fits" |
| 20:25.07 | durcyn | equal opportunity action RPGs |
| 20:25.13 | DWSR | Dagmar: No, I thought I did solve all of them, I thought that you didn't need all of the clues. |
| 20:25.22 | durcyn | Ackis: haven't you caused enough trouble today? |
| 20:25.34 | Dagmar | Why would you think you wouldn't need _all_ the clues? |
| 20:25.59 | Dagmar | It's a video game. |
| 20:26.11 | Fisker | anyone using google dns having issues right now? |
| 20:26.32 | Ackis | durcyn: I never cause trouble |
| 20:26.37 | Dagmar | For the same reason as when you find a blind hallway with a button on the wall at the end, you don't have to worry about it... You know that at SOME point you will be pushin that button or it wouldn't have been put in the game. |
| 20:28.12 | foxlit | WTB QuestHelper for ME2? |
| 20:29.10 | DWSR | mhm |
| 20:29.31 | durcyn | foxlit: you know who has two thumbs, a knife, and is going to cut you? |
| 20:29.43 | Ackis | THIS GUY |
| 20:31.09 | foxlit | durcyn: Indiana Jones? |
| 20:31.27 | Kraps | i wish there were more N7 missions |
| 20:34.23 | Fisker | i tird Ackis |
| 20:34.40 | DWSR | LULZ |
| 20:34.54 | DWSR | If you use the paragon option for Jack's loyalty mission |
| 20:34.57 | DWSR | She just screams Fuck. |
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| 20:35.50 | Ackis | can you do the paragon option for the mercenary dude and still gain his loyalty? |
| 20:35.57 | DWSR | No |
| 20:36.07 | DWSR | By paragon I meant Charm. |
| 20:36.22 | foxlit | Charm? |
| 20:36.25 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 20:36.27 | DWSR | Blue option. |
| 20:36.33 | DWSR | On the top left of the wheel. |
| 20:36.35 | foxlit | I think they abolished the expression in ME2 |
| 20:36.51 | zenzelezz | hm... I actually liked Legion. Last bit of ME2 I used him and Garrus |
| 20:37.00 | foxlit | It's still blue, but I don't think anything refers to it as charm. |
| 20:37.07 | DWSR | It still is though |
| 20:37.44 | DWSR | Since the Paragon option(s) are the top of the whel. |
| 20:37.45 | DWSR | wheel* |
| 20:37.58 | DWSR | The Charm option requires you to have a certain Paragon level. |
| 20:38.27 | DWSR | There are 2 instances in the whole game which require you to have a full paragon bar. |
| 20:39.01 | DWSR | The argument between Jack and Miranda after Jack's Loyalty mission and the confrontation between Morinth and Samara during Samara's loyalty mission |
| 20:39.13 | DWSR | If you have a full paragon (or renegade bar) you can resolve those better. |
| 20:39.46 | Ackis | I never got full paragon |
| 20:40.06 | Ackis | and apparently you can have sex with morinth |
| 20:40.07 | DWSR | I don't know if it's possible to have a full paragon bar and still get some renegade points. |
| 20:40.14 | DWSR | However, I'm *really* close to a full paragon bar. |
| 20:40.36 | foxlit | What actually persists across playthroughs? |
| 20:40.51 | Ackis | my paragon didn't persist, I know that |
| 20:40.55 | zenzelezz | I think I read that in ME2, paragon and renegade aren't directly linked |
| 20:41.02 | DWSR | they were in ME1. |
| 20:41.08 | DWSR | foxlit: Class, level. |
| 20:41.08 | DWSR | That's it. |
| 20:41.30 | foxlit | no resources etc? |
| 20:41.45 | DWSR | you get bonus resources. |
| 20:41.50 | DWSR | For starting the game at a high level. |
| 20:44.24 | zenzelezz | "We're always trying to innovate in that. Mass Effect 2's system is different from Mass Effect 1's where it was much more polar 'plus minus'. ME2 is actually 'plus plus' you can be Paragon and Renegade at the same time, just as you can in real life." |
| 20:44.37 | zenzelezz | http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/106/1066954p2.html |
| 20:44.39 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Ah, good to know. |
| 20:44.51 | DWSR | though, I still wonder if there's enough points to get you full on both |
| 20:45.00 | zenzelezz | probably not |
| 20:45.20 | DWSR | The Normandy Crash Site is such a shitty mission |
| 20:46.00 | DWSR | And, who the fuck uses BLUE SPARKLES IN A BLUE ENVIRONMENT? |
| 20:47.15 | Ackis | my resume is 1 line over 2 pages and I don't know how to compress it :'( |
| 20:47.25 | DWSR | truncation |
| 20:47.51 | zenzelezz | hm, I need to get a small heater for my bedroom... bought a thermometer today to see exactly how cold it is in there... appears stable at 11 C |
| 20:47.53 | foxlit | Ackis: fractional font size. |
| 20:48.06 | foxlit | Mess with line spacing. |
| 20:48.10 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 20:48.11 | zenzelezz | abbreviate |
| 20:48.11 | foxlit | Increase the margins. |
| 20:48.21 | foxlit | Use a more compact font. |
| 20:48.38 | zenzelezz | insert a picture! |
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| 20:48.52 | foxlit | [out of all of that, margins are probably the least obvious, but impose more requirements on your text] |
| 20:48.54 | Ackis | is there a font compacter/easy to read than arial? |
| 20:49.13 | zenzelezz | Arial Narrow |
| 20:49.15 | Kraps | i think ME2s paragon is way better that ME1s, in ME2 it could mean "leave that guy alone or i'll break your face", in ME1 it meant "i'll be nice now even though it doest make sense" |
| 20:49.17 | zenzelezz | ;-o |
| 20:49.28 | zenzelezz | Kraps: true |
| 20:49.46 | DWSR | Kraps: Yes, I've noticed that Paragon is now more Chaotic Good as opposed to Lawful Good. |
| 20:49.50 | foxlit | ME2's renegade seems like a more obvious "fuck you too, buddy" |
| 20:51.29 | DWSR | Anyone noticed that Male Shepard runs like a fucking failure when you sprint outside of combat? |
| 20:51.33 | DWSR | He kicks his feet up WAY too much |
| 20:51.50 | zenzelezz | you mean people play male Shepard? |
| 20:52.53 | Dagmar | Outside of combat I don't think he actually sprints, I think they just diddle the camera a bit and call it a day |
| 20:53.18 | DWSR | Dagmar: No, he moves faster. |
| 20:53.31 | foxlit | But then he grows tired. |
| 20:53.34 | foxlit | And stops sprinting. |
| 20:54.03 | DWSR | Most badass man in the galaxy. |
| 20:54.07 | DWSR | And he fucking grows tired. |
| 20:54.10 | DWSR | *sigh* |
| 20:56.32 | Ackis | http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23me2endings |
| 20:56.32 | Kraps | get the +15 storm speed boots |
| 20:56.39 | Dagmar | Sure as hell doesn't seem like he moves any faster on my PC |
| 20:56.57 | Dagmar | When he's in *combat* and you hit hte sprint key, he genuinely hauls ass |
| 20:57.13 | Dagmar | He moves like he actually has an interest in not being shot. |
| 20:57.23 | Dagmar | Outside of combat, it's more like he thinks he has a union job |
| 20:57.38 | Kraps | "Shepard discovers that HE is Tyler Durden, only after he blows up the Citadel" |
| 20:57.41 | DWSR | yeah |
| 20:57.47 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 20:57.53 | DWSR | I'll agree with that Dagmar. |
| 20:58.37 | Dagmar | Joker is only less succesful at running out of combat because he has made up space disease |
| 20:58.51 | Dagmar | ...but it's hard to tell |
| 20:59.08 | DWSR | lulz |
| 20:59.15 | DWSR | Shit. |
| 20:59.23 | DWSR | Does anyone know if it's possible to get every upgrade in the game? |
| 20:59.31 | DWSR | Think I might run out of credits. |
| 20:59.41 | Dagmar | You can't really run out of credits. |
| 20:59.46 | Dagmar | Go find some more minerals. |
| 21:00.05 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah, but I've been using the credits to pick up all of the upgrades in the stores. |
| 21:00.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Bibi (~Bibi@unaffiliated/bibi) |
| 21:00.11 | Dagmar | Yeah and? |
| 21:00.12 | DWSR | I know I have some upgrades left on Tuchunka. |
| 21:00.19 | Dagmar | Strip a few planets barren |
| 21:00.24 | Dagmar | Problem solved. |
| 21:00.29 | DWSR | Dagmar: That doesn't give me money. |
| 21:00.33 | Dagmar | YoU *do* get money for finding minerals with the probes. |
| 21:00.34 | DWSR | Only gives me minerals. |
| 21:00.37 | DWSR | Oh, really? |
| 21:00.39 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 21:00.45 | DWSR | Is it more or less than what I'm going to spend on fucking probes? |
| 21:01.04 | foxlit | probes seem cheap |
| 21:01.08 | Dagmar | I would NEVER be able to afford some of the ludicrous expenditures I've made if I didn't have like 150,000+ of everything but element zero |
| 21:01.21 | DWSR | Dagmar: I'm going for every upgrade. |
| 21:01.23 | Dagmar | Probes are like 5 credits or something |
| 21:01.26 | Shirik | !ping |
| 21:01.26 | DWSR | I know that I'm probably going to be missing a few. |
| 21:01.26 | batbot | Shirik: pong! |
| 21:01.26 | EDI | pong |
| 21:01.32 | Shirik | WHY WILL YOU NOT RESPOND ON SSH THEN |
| 21:01.46 | DWSR | Shirik: Because you wrote it in Lua? ;) |
| 21:02.00 | Shirik | I can't even get my server to ask me my password |
| 21:02.06 | Shirik | it took like 2 minutes to ask me for my username |
| 21:02.14 | Kraps | whoa EDI is in here? |
| 21:02.40 | DWSR | mhm |
| 21:02.55 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (smcn@c-174-52-39-78.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 21:03.12 | Shirik | I might have to force restart |
| 21:03.16 | Shirik | it seems like services are down |
| 21:03.20 | Shirik | but for some reason EDI is still running |
| 21:03.25 | DWSR | that going to affect mine as well? |
| 21:03.32 | Shirik | if I restart? yes :P |
| 21:03.42 | zenzelezz | Shirik: EDI became self-aware and has shut down your SSH access |
| 21:03.44 | Shirik | Idon't get wtf is going on though |
| 21:03.45 | DWSR | Can't you restart SSHd from Linode? |
| 21:03.49 | Shirik | it's not ssh |
| 21:03.50 | DWSR | what zenzelezz said imo. |
| 21:03.55 | Shirik | a lot of other services are not responding |
| 21:04.09 | Dagmar | it r teh chinees hax0rs |
| 21:04.10 | DWSR | load. |
| 21:04.20 | zenzelezz | aha, so EDI is shutting down your communications |
| 21:04.44 | foxlit | EDI's "This is a joke." lines are awesome. |
| 21:04.53 | Kraps | OH SWEET YOU CAN UNVIEW TOTEMS WITH DOMINOES |
| 21:05.12 | Dagmar | EDI tells more than one? |
| 21:05.19 | Dagmar | I guess that's good. |
| 21:05.44 | zenzelezz | Kraps: unview? |
| 21:06.14 | Kraps | unshow? |
| 21:06.32 | zenzelezz | I still don't get what you mean |
| 21:06.32 | smcn | hide? |
| 21:06.35 | Kraps | just have call and recall showing |
| 21:06.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Gotai (~Gotai@ip54546435.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) |
| 21:06.41 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 21:06.47 | Shirik | oh hey |
| 21:06.49 | Shirik | nagios just sent me a warning |
| 21:06.56 | Kraps | not the totems in between |
| 21:08.33 | Shirik | and suddenly everything's back up |
| 21:08.35 | Shirik | cries |
| 21:08.50 | zenzelezz | I'm sure we can shut it down if you prefer |
| 21:09.08 | Shirik | I just have no idea wtf happened.. |
| 21:09.25 | durcyn | what's the load avg |
| 21:09.36 | zenzelezz | Shirik: ignore it until it happens again |
| 21:09.50 | Shirik | eh, thatm ight have been it |
| 21:09.53 | Shirik | CRITICAL - load average: 9.17, 9.10, 4.95 |
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| 21:10.24 | zenzelezz | what do those numbers actually mean? |
| 21:10.38 | Shirik | bad zenzelezz |
| 21:10.40 | Shirik | l2linux |
| 21:10.46 | DWSR | iirc |
| 21:10.54 | zenzelezz | I've never claimed to be very good with linux |
| 21:10.57 | DWSR | It's the number of processes that have to wait for their instructions to be carried out |
| 21:10.58 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 21:10.58 | Fisker | why |
| 21:10.59 | Fisker | so |
| 21:11.02 | Fisker | linux? |
| 21:11.26 | zenzelezz | ah, I see |
| 21:11.29 | Shirik | zenzelezz: It's % cpu usage |
| 21:11.34 | Shirik | at different time intervals |
| 21:11.38 | Shirik | I forget what the exact intervals are |
| 21:11.55 | DWSR | 1, 5, 25s |
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| 21:11.57 | DWSR | I think |
| 21:12.00 | durcyn | 1 5 15m |
| 21:12.02 | DWSR | And it's not % CPU usage. |
| 21:12.09 | Kraps | So if you're pissed like me |
| 21:12.10 | Kraps | Bitches, here's what you gotta do |
| 21:12.12 | Kraps | Put your middle fingers up in the air |
| 21:12.13 | Kraps | Go on and say "Fuck you!" |
| 21:12.14 | Dagmar | 1m, 5m, 15m. |
| 21:12.21 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing) |
| 21:12.31 | DWSR | Dagmar: Isn't it configurable though? |
| 21:12.37 | Shirik | huh |
| 21:12.40 | Shirik | I guess it isn't |
| 21:12.44 | Shirik | that's interesting |
| 21:12.51 | Dagmar | Why would it be configurable? |
| 21:13.04 | DWSR | compile time, configuration |
| 21:13.09 | Shirik | well |
| 21:13.16 | Shirik | depending on your definition, anything is configurable at compile time |
| 21:13.27 | Dagmar | For one thing, it keeps people from fucking up and making the box waste a bunch of clockcycles doing nothing but tracking how much work it's _no longer doing_ |
| 21:13.50 | Shirik | I really wish I knew why the load average was so high though |
| 21:13.56 | Shirik | my cpu usage is near 0% |
| 21:13.57 | DWSR | have I mentioned that I'm a huge fan of giving stupid people sharp/hot objects. |
| 21:13.59 | Dagmar | You have a lot of stuff running |
| 21:14.13 | Shirik | I haven't changed anything since yesterday |
| 21:14.16 | Dagmar | ...and probably a lot of it is i/o bound, I'm guessing |
| 21:14.19 | Dagmar | Run top |
| 21:14.44 | Shirik | I run htop :P |
| 21:14.49 | Shirik | and the top process even says 0% cpu |
| 21:15.08 | Shirik | like, the top process is htop right now |
| 21:15.21 | Shirik | ... and now it's back down to 1.5 |
| 21:15.26 | Shirik | dieeeeeeeee |
| 21:15.39 | DWSR | WTB M-920 Cain |
| 21:15.55 | DWSR | Launching small nuclear missles ftw. |
| 21:16.12 | Dagmar | That fucking thing needs a warning label. |
| 21:16.20 | Dagmar | "WARNING: For outdoor use ONLY." |
| 21:16.53 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 21:17.05 | Dagmar | When you're outside tho' and you need every last mofo dead RIGHT NOW there's no substitute for it |
| 21:17.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: Did you use it when you played? |
| 21:17.49 | zenzelezz | I forgot about most of my powers in ME2... |
| 21:18.06 | Dagmar | Oh hells yes I did |
| 21:18.24 | DWSR | any good? |
| 21:18.26 | mikma | cairenn: ping |
| 21:18.32 | DWSR | zenzelezz: If you get Tactician, you're doing it right. |
| 21:18.51 | Dagmar | Dude, it *ends* opposition forces. |
| 21:18.57 | Dagmar | Just *don't* use it indoors, ever. |
| 21:19.21 | Dagmar | There is pretty much no way to safely fire that baby up inside of any structure. |
| 21:19.33 | DWSR | lulz |
| 21:19.52 | Dagmar | Thankfully the Collectors have a very "open-air" design thing going on |
| 21:20.29 | DWSR | hehehe |
| 21:20.39 | Dagmar | Using it indoors anywhere but at the far end of a large airport hangar tho... you will be sent back to your last save point\ |
| 21:20.49 | Dagmar | ...and even then you'd better have cover. |
| 21:20.50 | DWSR | me likey. |
| 21:20.59 | DWSR | btw Dagmar |
| 21:21.04 | DWSR | Mining planets != credits. |
| 21:21.14 | Dagmar | Baffling. I got money every time I did it |
| 21:21.29 | Dagmar | Maybe it was bonus money for hitting large deposits |
| 21:21.59 | Dagmar | I even set about pillaging a few systems *just* because I was shy a few credits |
| 21:22.09 | foxlit | DWSR: The charge-up time is meh |
| 21:22.23 | Dagmar | foxlit: It kills everyone and everything tho |
| 21:22.36 | foxlit | But you have to stand there taking fire looking like an idiot for a few seconds. |
| 21:23.11 | Dagmar | There were a couple of times when I was approaching a Blue Suns stronghold I just backed up the hill and fired one in the front door. |
| 21:23.15 | Dagmar | No more bad guys. |
| 21:23.16 | Dagmar | None. |
| 21:23.35 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23feelbetterjustin |
| 21:23.36 | Dagmar | Makes ya deaf for a efw seconds, too |
| 21:23.42 | durcyn | you can one shot the thresher maw with it on anything under hardcore |
| 21:23.46 | durcyn | =hilarious |
| 21:23.59 | Dagmar | Damn I didn't even think about using it on him |
| 21:24.11 | foxlit | Or perhaps I'm just misunderstanding how it's fired. It seemed to use arbitrary amounts of ammo |
| 21:24.30 | durcyn | it's a portable tactical nuke, and your complaint is the -clip size-? |
| 21:24.37 | DWSR | LOL |
| 21:24.38 | ZorbaTHut | arrrrgh |
| 21:24.41 | mikma | haste: http://www.fukung.net/v/4961/cqsjiaez.jpg |
| 21:24.41 | ZorbaTHut | just got the blue proto-drake |
| 21:24.43 | ZorbaTHut | on my alt :( |
| 21:24.45 | Dagmar | You generally only have to shoot it once. |
| 21:24.46 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Ouch |
| 21:24.50 | Kraps | OMG YOU BEAT THE THRESHER fucking weak krogan |
| 21:24.50 | foxlit | durcyn: except for it's a slingshot. |
| 21:25.05 | DWSR | Kraps: Yeah, it's easy. |
| 21:25.06 | ZorbaTHut | my druid alt, to make it even worse |
| 21:25.08 | DWSR | Kraps: I did it on Vet too. |
| 21:26.25 | foxlit | Prefer the collector ray gun, personally. |
| 21:27.28 | Dagmar | You have to aim that thing |
| 21:27.42 | foxlit | Moderately good at that. |
| 21:27.46 | DWSR | pft. |
| 21:27.51 | DWSR | Mass destruction is good. |
| 21:27.55 | DWSR | I have all of the big shield upgrades. |
| 21:28.07 | foxlit | I got Barrier. |
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| 21:29.33 | Ackis | I sound professional: |
| 21:29.34 | Ackis | My objective is to establish a time when we can meet to discuss how my talent, professionalism, skill set, and enthusiasm will add value to your organization. |
| 21:30.15 | zenzelezz | "We apologize, but we do not deal with fiction." |
| 21:30.27 | Ackis | ouch |
| 21:32.09 | Ackis | Halo Reach beta == May 3rd!!! ahhh |
| 21:35.02 | Kraps | lol john mayer |
| 21:35.40 | Kraps | he said the n-word |
| 21:35.48 | Ackis | nudies? |
| 21:35.57 | zenzelezz | Nintendo |
| 21:37.12 | Kraps | nunchucks? |
| 21:38.06 | Kraps | "Kourtney Kardashian Tastes Her Own Breast Milk" |
| 21:38.24 | Kraps | um, thats nice i guess |
| 21:38.37 | Kraps | this is better |
| 21:38.47 | Kraps | Khloe, 25, says she is still getting used to her sister's breastfeeding ways. "Wow my sister has changed," she previously Twittered. "She used to whip her boobs out for no reason. Now she does it to feed her child (sic)." |
| 21:40.13 | Fisker | awww |
| 21:40.21 | Fisker | looks like Google DNS has performance issues atm :( |
| 21:40.56 | cbreak | not enough hard disks to store their surveilance data on? |
| 21:41.20 | Fisker | why do you prefer the company of men cbreak? |
| 21:41.28 | nevcairiel | hey another google conspiracy theory, its really getting old :D |
| 21:41.30 | zenzelezz | Kraps: who are those people? |
| 21:41.47 | cbreak | nev, it's the same theory... |
| 21:41.51 | cbreak | don't you see? |
| 21:41.55 | cbreak | everything is CONNECTED! |
| 21:42.08 | Kraps | zenzelezz: people in this country |
| 21:42.18 | cbreak | have you noticed the recent drops in hard disk storage prices? |
| 21:42.19 | zenzelezz | which country? |
| 21:42.24 | Kraps | the US |
| 21:42.29 | Kraps | they fail |
| 21:42.36 | zenzelezz | oh, so that limits it to 240 million or so |
| 21:43.02 | Lunessa | Kraps: I know a girl who gets all liquored up and flashes her boobs at least 3 nights a week. Trust me, most girls who do that? You don't want to see them. I'm just saying. |
| 21:43.14 | Kraps | and need to DITHE MAKERSF |
| 21:43.45 | zenzelezz | http://royal.pingdom.com/2010/01/05/facebook-twitter-myspace-page-views/ -- Slashdot is a social networking site? |
| 21:44.05 | cbreak | it's a news agregator |
| 21:44.29 | durcyn | it's a troll factory |
| 21:44.34 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 21:44.40 | nevcairiel | its really sad though |
| 21:44.40 | cbreak | digg is a troll factory |
| 21:44.43 | zenzelezz | yeah, but a social networking site? |
| 21:44.44 | nevcairiel | so many people |
| 21:44.52 | nevcairiel | sucked in by facebook |
| 21:45.10 | Kraps | NASA Scientists Plan To Approach Girl By 2018 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya_D9IwB3-s |
| 21:45.16 | nevcairiel | cbreak: you should go on about facebook, people willingly post all their personal details there |
| 21:45.31 | cbreak | Yes. Dumb people... |
| 21:45.42 | nevcairiel | apparetnly millions of them |
| 21:46.19 | cbreak | yes. People don't seem to mind exposing their privates in public anymore |
| 21:46.30 | durcyn | well, to be fair, slashdot has had 'friends lists' and journals since before twitter even existed |
| 21:46.40 | zenzelezz | hm, I must have missed that |
| 21:46.55 | zenzelezz | I only use it to read two-day old news and amusing commentary |
| 21:47.22 | durcyn | it's useless, but it's there |
| 21:47.29 | nevcairiel | I mind, but i still trust google more then most other companys on the web :d |
| 21:47.42 | durcyn | i still think google should've bought twitter years ago |
| 21:47.46 | zenzelezz | Slashdot just looks cleaner than many of the faster/better news sites |
| 21:52.30 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 21:52.37 | DWSR | Dagmar: Did you get all of the upgrades in one of your walkthroughs? |
| 21:53.09 | DWSR | err. |
| 21:53.11 | DWSR | playthroughs* |
| 21:54.04 | Dagmar | I think I've got them all |
| 21:54.20 | Dagmar | If there's an upgrade to the nuke, I don't see the point. |
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| 21:54.47 | Dagmar | I know the intro part of the suicide mission was like a freaking infomercial for the ship upgrades |
| 21:55.02 | Dagmar | "Wow all those rocks look really dangerous!" |
| 21:55.35 | Dagmar | "Yes, Jill, they are dangerous! That's why it's a good thing we equipped the ship with the TimCo Amazing Rock-Dodger Jets(tm)." |
| 21:55.41 | Cairenn | mikma: pong |
| 21:56.03 | DWSR | Dagmar: yeah, I know. |
| 21:56.16 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 21:56.26 | DWSR | I'm amazed at how well Samara rips through enemies with Pull Field. |
| 21:56.31 | Kraps | toy story 3 theatrical trailer, its gonna be win http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUTK3QiziLk |
| 21:56.34 | DWSR | Oh, and fucking Pull Field + Unstable warp = nuke. |
| 21:57.19 | DWSR | Really rediculous, actually. |
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| 21:58.55 | Thunder_Child | i think it's silly one of your squad mates cant rez you |
| 22:01.09 | DWSR | lulz @ the critical upgrades. |
| 22:01.15 | DWSR | "Sometimes your shit does double damage" |
| 22:01.19 | Kraps | Wrex is a troll http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOg-nLWe71w |
| 22:02.26 | DWSR | lulz |
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| 22:04.02 | durcyn | i need to do another playthrough with wrex alive |
| 22:04.12 | Dagmar | Screw him |
| 22:04.17 | Dagmar | He's not perfect. |
| 22:06.28 | Kraps | who is? |
| 22:06.35 | Dagmar | Wrex |
| 22:08.29 | Kraps | i cant believe people say that jacob is more interesting than kaiden |
| 22:08.36 | DWSR | Dagmar: |
| 22:08.38 | DWSR | Dude. |
| 22:08.44 | DWSR | Even pulling this gun out makes me feel badass. |
| 22:08.53 | DWSR | It just sorta spins around all menacing and shit. |
| 22:09.06 | Kraps | is that what HE said? |
| 22:09.16 | Kraps | ;) |
| 22:11.22 | WobWork | http://thisisnthappiness.com/post/380325374/invade-a-hospital-good |
| 22:12.37 | Lunessa | WobWork: Extremism is extreme? |
| 22:13.05 | Cairenn | WobWork: did you see the video stream I linked for you earlier? |
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| 22:21.15 | WobWork | Cairenn: yes!! |
| 22:21.20 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:21.23 | WobWork | PS, d'awww |
| 22:21.32 | Cairenn | that's what I thought, too :) |
| 22:21.35 | WobWork | Lunessa: did you see the original poster? |
| 22:21.53 | Lunessa | WobWork: No. Just the one you liked right above my comment |
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| 22:25.44 | WobWork | Lunessa: Just found it an amusing use of statistics. |
| 22:26.39 | Fisker | WobWork my love |
| 22:27.06 | WobWork | puppies, Fisker |
| 22:27.07 | Lunessa | WobWork: Yeah, I can see that as a position. But the idea that we should punish people who help because they can never do enough and comparing them to people who murder civilians in the name of political change, religious fanaticism, etc. is distasteful. |
| 22:27.07 | WobWork | PUPPIES |
| 22:27.33 | WobWork | Lunessa: yes, I believe that's the point of the poster |
| 22:27.50 | WobWork | or rather, that any stupid stance can be 'validated' through statistics |
| 22:27.54 | Fisker | i wish WobWork |
| 22:28.01 | Fisker | i'm so tired |
| 22:28.07 | Lunessa | Is there something it parodies, or is it just an overly subtle item? |
| 22:28.10 | WobWork | You need more puppies, Fisker |
| 22:28.10 | Fisker | but i got a bazillion items |
| 22:28.13 | Fisker | no! |
| 22:28.23 | WobWork | Fisker: http://www.ustream.tv/sfshiba |
| 22:28.26 | Lunessa | Also, I'm not at my sharpest today. |
| 22:28.52 | Shadowed| | less drinking |
| 22:28.54 | WobWork | if so, you should watch that stream too, Lunessa |
| 22:29.17 | Lunessa | I can just goes hoem teimz instead? |
| 22:34.17 | Shadowed | well you can |
| 22:34.21 | Shadowed | but people may not be happy |
| 22:34.53 | WobWork | watch some puppies instead |
| 22:36.58 | Shadowed | Rather amusing that Google is buying a company founded by ex-Google employees |
| 22:37.53 | WobWork | aardvark? |
| 22:38.08 | zenzelezz | that depends... did they leave Google because they were unhappy there? |
| 22:38.09 | Shadowed | yea |
| 22:38.13 | Shadowed | no idea zenzelezz |
| 22:38.44 | zenzelezz | because if they don't, then I don't see the amusement |
| 22:39.08 | DWSR | Oh my god. |
| 22:39.20 | DWSR | Mordin is singing. |
| 22:39.21 | DWSR | And win |
| 22:41.56 | KarlKFI|work | ^^ |
| 22:42.05 | KarlKFI|work | musical theater no less |
| 22:44.13 | foxlit | Win it is! |
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| 22:48.10 | Fisker | why else would they leave zenzelezz? |
| 22:48.23 | zenzelezz | one does not simply leave zenzelezz |
| 22:48.41 | Fisker | answer me! |
| 22:48.50 | DWSR | ONE DOES NOT SILLY WALK INTO ZENZELESS |
| 22:50.00 | Fisker | silly? |
| 22:50.27 | zenzelezz | you don't have to be unhappy about your workplace to wish to go somewhere else that seems more fun |
| 22:51.15 | Fisker | you just contradicted yourself |
| 22:51.20 | zenzelezz | no |
| 22:51.22 | Fisker | yes. |
| 22:51.24 | zenzelezz | no |
| 22:51.28 | Fisker | yes. |
| 22:51.35 | Fisker | do mind the dot |
| 22:51.45 | zenzelezz | your dot is pointless |
| 22:52.34 | Fisker | i think you mistook "unhappy" for "taking a dump on your desk" |
| 22:52.54 | Fisker | If you find something that seems more fun, then what you did before wasn't as fun |
| 22:53.01 | zenzelezz | incorrect |
| 22:53.04 | Fisker | in other words, you're not happy with your current workplace |
| 22:53.11 | Fisker | incorrect to the incorrect |
| 22:53.11 | zenzelezz | your trolling fails with me |
| 22:53.19 | Fisker | it's not trolling |
| 22:53.23 | Fisker | it's common sense |
| 22:53.24 | A-KO | damnit I"m such a nerd...sucks being spoiled by networking equipment at work |
| 22:53.25 | zenzelezz | it's an attempted trolling |
| 22:53.30 | Fisker | no |
| 22:53.35 | DWSR | yes. |
| 22:53.38 | DWSR | do mind the dot |
| 22:53.43 | Fisker | no. |
| 22:53.46 | durcyn | A-KO: steal it |
| 22:53.48 | A-KO | I want to replace my Netscreen 5GT at home, and want to pick up a Juniper SRX100.....cheapest one is open box $430 lol |
| 22:54.22 | Fisker | That you find another place to work doesn't mean you hate your previous employers, but it still does mean that you were not satisfied with the workplace |
| 22:54.24 | A-KO | not to mention to get wireless on it they don't have an all-in-one N soho device from Juniper....best they've got is G |
| 22:54.32 | durcyn | also, why not just a pfsense or openbsd atom box |
| 22:55.01 | A-KO | durcyn: you ever seen the stability and performance on these juniper devices? "it won't go down" short of hardware failures. |
| 22:55.04 | Fisker | and maybe they left because they couldn't get to do that project that google then ended buying them out for |
| 22:55.08 | Fisker | which would be amusing indeed |
| 22:55.27 | A-KO | also looking at getting a 16 port gig-e switch hmmm |
| 22:55.30 | durcyn | A-KO: and? i've had a core duo mini-itx firewall going at home for three years straight |
| 22:55.33 | A-KO | networking at the new place is going to be $$$$ |
| 22:57.03 | A-KO | heh, what I mean is, it doesn't go down, no reboots required, no "please power off your router".....the only time shit goes down is when the internet connection goes down, and I can configure automatic failover on it if I wanted with a cheap dsl connection :P |
| 22:57.29 | A-KO | only thing I wish I had beyond that was my own IP block and BGP :P |
| 22:58.06 | durcyn | i still don't see the appeal |
| 22:58.25 | A-KO | pure and utter nerdiness, and the devices are pretty freakin' solid |
| 22:58.54 | durcyn | yeah, i know, i had the chance to run a pix 520 at home, but, seriously, why would i? |
| 22:59.09 | A-KO | not a fan of pix :P |
| 22:59.44 | ZorbaTHut | I also rather like the mini-itx firewall solution |
| 23:04.20 | DWSR | Dagmar: |
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| 23:22.59 | DWSR | o.O |
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