| 00:00.02 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 00:00.05 | ArrowmasterClass | im waiting for Debian kFreeBSD, if i can run a ZFS NAS on that i will be happy |
| 00:00.09 | Thrae | DWSR: Like I said, it IS supported with other kernels, but it's NOT as stable as in Solaris distributions. |
| 00:00.10 | DWSR | You need to break it down into $$. |
| 00:00.14 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: because listening for a broadcast packet is different than.. listening for a broadcast packet. |
| 00:00.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Right. |
| 00:00.20 | cbreak | how about using a DNS? :) |
| 00:00.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Jerub: well, this is largely for home use |
| 00:00.24 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: we have experienced performance problems to do with seek times and such, but that sort of thing happens with all large datasets and solaris provides some awesome (dtrace) tools (dtrace) for discerning (dtrace) what's hammering what. |
| 00:00.30 | DWSR | Thrae: Yeah, but you can get a 64b version on *nix. |
| 00:00.30 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: ah, right. |
| 00:00.45 | DWSR | Jerub: Such a dtrace? |
| 00:00.50 | Thrae | DWSR: Oh, I just said that as people usually associate Solaris w/ SPARC |
| 00:00.53 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: well they look at it this way. Doing it properly costs too much $, if anything, this is a case against using the SMB hardware properly, since linksys can handle it. We're actually doing a hybrid rollout soon using the linksys devices. |
| 00:00.58 | Jerub | DWSR: oh, you've heard of it? |
| 00:00.58 | A-KO | I expect it to crash and burn during load testing tomorrow |
| 00:01.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I want a box that I can throw a gigabit NIC in (or two) and cap the transfer speed to the network, not the disk |
| 00:01.04 | ArrowmasterClass | can you add or remove drives from a raidz or is it pretty much like all other raids and its set once you create it? |
| 00:01.09 | DWSR | Jerub: Yar. |
| 00:01.20 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: changing it to any less brain dead way would take too much money? |
| 00:01.21 | Jerub | ArrowmasterClass: removing is much harder. |
| 00:01.25 | Jerub | ArrowmasterClass: but ading is trivial. |
| 00:01.25 | A-KO | yes ScytheBlade1, precisely. |
| 00:01.38 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf. |
| 00:01.40 | DWSR | A-KO: Make sure that it crashes and burns. |
| 00:01.45 | A-KO | DWSR: gonna try :P |
| 00:01.45 | cbreak | Mac OS X has dtrace too. |
| 00:01.46 | DWSR | Like, forkbomb all of the servers or something |
| 00:01.47 | A-KO | iperf ftw :) |
| 00:01.49 | DWSR | ALL OF THEM |
| 00:01.54 | DWSR | FORK TEH BOMBS. |
| 00:01.59 | Thrae | ArrowmasterClass: You can add, remove, and replace drives like a hardware raid, but the point is to use the "zpool", which is a volume of volumes (a pool of volumes) to add additional capacity. |
| 00:02.14 | DWSR | Thrae: Is that like a matrix? |
| 00:02.16 | ArrowmasterClass | so if a raidz has 6 drives you can add 1 more making 7 total and everything will have the same amount of data protection? |
| 00:02.16 | A-KO | DWSR: I expect using iperf and loading the system down with traffic will produce shitty results over a single linksys home wifi AP |
| 00:02.17 | Jerub | ArrowmasterClass: oh, and there's two tihngs here, there are disk pools, then there's raid-z. you can have multiple raid-zs pooled together. |
| 00:02.17 | DWSR | An array of arrays? |
| 00:02.25 | DWSR | A-KO: For how many clients? |
| 00:02.29 | A-KO | DWSR: 40 |
| 00:02.32 | DWSR | LULZ. |
| 00:02.34 | DWSR | Yeah, have fun with that. |
| 00:02.36 | A-KO | yep |
| 00:02.37 | ScytheBlade1 | re: storage: I'm really thinking of going with CentOS, RAID5 with 6 drives giving me 10TB of storage + 1 backup drive, and ext4 |
| 00:02.38 | A-KO | I plan on it |
| 00:02.46 | DWSR | A-KO: btw, you should unleash Blaster |
| 00:02.51 | DWSR | On a few unpatched systems. |
| 00:02.53 | ScytheBlade1 | mostly due to simplicity/one less OS to run (as compared to ZFS/OpenSolaris) |
| 00:02.55 | Thrae | ArrowmasterClass: The zpool is a "smart" mechanism which intelligently puts data across the datasets you've created under it based on how fast each virtual volume is. |
| 00:02.59 | DWSR | WEE NETWORKSTORMS! |
| 00:03.03 | Jerub | I ran a conference wireless on 20 wrt54gls for 160 people all with wifi devices. |
| 00:03.11 | A-KO | DWSR: oh their application does enough network storming for sure |
| 00:03.17 | DWSR | Jerub: That's 8 people per router, not 40. |
| 00:03.28 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: you should buy a cheap switch and loop it back in to the network. See how fast your entire network dies. |
| 00:03.31 | Jerub | DWSR: yes, i know :) |
| 00:03.37 | Jerub | just giving a datapoint :) |
| 00:03.37 | A-KO | haha ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:03.38 | Thrae | ArrowmasterClass: Also, newest ZFS supports not only painless hardware-accelerated compression, but also de-duplication. |
| 00:03.48 | DWSR | Thrae: But how good is the dedupe? |
| 00:03.54 | cbreak | can you even use more than 6 or 7 Wireles Routers in the same proximity area? |
| 00:03.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Just as long as it *doesn't* support STP, which any switch in that range won't... |
| 00:04.02 | DWSR | I mean, my dad works for a company that specifically does backup & recovery software. |
| 00:04.03 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: with 802.11a, yes |
| 00:04.05 | cbreak | the frequency range you are allowed to use is limited |
| 00:04.07 | DWSR | And one of their big products is dedupe. |
| 00:04.11 | cbreak | hmm. |
| 00:04.15 | Thrae | DWSR: When it works, it works perfectly. What do you mean how good is it? De-dupe is generally something that works or doesn't work. |
| 00:04.23 | A-KO | like I said, I thoroughly expect it to fail hardcore with 40 clients |
| 00:04.34 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#5.C2.A0GHz_.28802.11a.2Fh.2Fj.2Fn.29 |
| 00:04.36 | DWSR | Thrae: Well, yeah. :P Reliability. :P |
| 00:04.37 | DWSR | and speed. |
| 00:04.40 | A-KO | that's pretty much my plan tomorrow |
| 00:04.41 | A-KO | go in |
| 00:04.43 | A-KO | break the network |
| 00:04.46 | A-KO | prove to management they're idiots |
| 00:04.47 | A-KO | get lunch |
| 00:04.50 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: note that every 802.11a channel does NOT overlap |
| 00:04.51 | A-KO | break it again |
| 00:04.56 | ArrowmasterClass | A-KO: just wait until you need to rig up something to automatically reboot these linksys devices when their firmware craps out |
| 00:05.00 | cbreak | sounds fun A-KO :) |
| 00:05.01 | DWSR | A-KO: You going to break it down? |
| 00:05.05 | DWSR | dances |
| 00:05.39 | Thrae | DWSR: De-dupe was already added as part of the snapshots a long time ago (another neat feature of ZFS), this is just the first time they added it to the actual dataset. It's very reliable, it's usually some other feature that breaks it in /dev. |
| 00:05.40 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: the other option is to contact a client... presumeably this software isn't just internal(?) |
| 00:05.45 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: and have them say "W T F" |
| 00:05.52 | Thrae | DWSR: It's already being massively used in production without problems. |
| 00:05.56 | A-KO | DWSR: I'm going to capture network traffic at all points, we're doing a huge monitoring of every system in the network. Then we'll do testing of our application, then I"ll load test the network and see what kind of bandwidth we pull. on 8 clients on the SMB box over G I was pushing 2Mbits/sec, so 40 clients on the linksys single radio ought to be pretty fun. |
| 00:05.59 | A-KO | I expect some rather heavy loss |
| 00:06.11 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: already have :P many of them hate it |
| 00:06.11 | A-KO | lol |
| 00:06.14 | A-KO | and not even for the tech reasons |
| 00:06.19 | Thrae | As for speed, de-dupe takes up almost no time. |
| 00:06.22 | DWSR | A-KO: Nevermind. |
| 00:06.23 | DWSR | sigh |
| 00:06.45 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: awesome fail. |
| 00:06.49 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: totally |
| 00:06.50 | DWSR | Supermassive Fail? |
| 00:06.55 | ArrowmasterClass | i really want to use ZFS but i dont want to have to learn the solaris userspace |
| 00:06.59 | Dagmar | Depending on how cheap the access point is, 40 clients may well fail outright. I'd look up the specs on that unit |
| 00:07.01 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: I'm maintaining deniability, I'll go through their theater for the paycheck |
| 00:07.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ArrowmasterClass: makes two of us |
| 00:07.08 | A-KO | Dagmar: linksys wrt54g :P |
| 00:07.13 | Dagmar | You definitely can't load 40 clients on the typical $80 linksys access point |
| 00:07.20 | A-KO | they're going to learn that tomorrow |
| 00:07.26 | Dagmar | Yeah that model isn't likely to handle 40 simultaneous clients well |
| 00:07.31 | A-KO | I agree |
| 00:07.34 | A-KO | everyone in IT agrees |
| 00:07.39 | A-KO | but management wants to press on |
| 00:07.39 | Thrae | And for people wondering what the heck IS "de-dupe", it's when two files share the same binary contents, only one instance is actually stored in hard copy. |
| 00:07.41 | Dagmar | There's a coffee house here that was using one of those |
| 00:07.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, that will handle the broadcast packets fine. Probably better than a cheap wired switch |
| 00:07.48 | A-KO | until we have "absolute scientific data" |
| 00:07.50 | ScytheBlade1 | But actual data will end poorly |
| 00:07.51 | Thrae | (two or more, of course) |
| 00:07.56 | Dagmar | It had some issues I had to hack in and patch around just to deal with more than about 100 clients a *day* |
| 00:08.19 | Thrae | What's fun about ZFS is that you can have both compression AND de-dupe, even though compression normally conflicts with de-dupe and visa-versa |
| 00:08.27 | Dagmar | Their literature says they top out a <25 users and they mean it |
| 00:08.49 | A-KO | Dagmar: See the nice thing is I don't have a problem proving to management they're idiots |
| 00:08.52 | A-KO | and shoving it in their face |
| 00:09.17 | Dagmar | Polish up that resume |
| 00:09.18 | A-KO | that's the plan tomorrow, set it all up, get lunch, break it, print out the reports, laugh hysterically with my coworkers for a while as we collectively say "I told you so" |
| 00:09.20 | A-KO | and call it a day |
| 00:09.48 | Dagmar | When management won't listen to the techs in a tech shop, it's time to start shopping for somewhere else to work |
| 00:09.51 | ArrowmasterClass | i wonder if my pidgin (i only use it on my portable flash drive for public computers i swear) knows something i dont, dagmar's nick is always colored red, maybe like a warning |
| 00:09.52 | A-KO | yep |
| 00:09.57 | A-KO | I agree |
| 00:10.02 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: you know, way to jinx it. Now it'll work just enough that management will approve it, and fail just enough that IT will be weeping for weeks |
| 00:10.03 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Could be |
| 00:10.13 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: also, this sounds like a story for thedailywtf.com |
| 00:10.33 | DWSR | Dagmar: it's really common. |
| 00:10.38 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Nah, 40 simultaneous connections on that hardware? Noo... It'll fail hard |
| 00:10.41 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: you're probably right, haha. But I thoroughly expect at some point for the whole project to fail if they don't listen to IT on most of it. This is just one of many points of failure. |
| 00:10.50 | Thrae | Since I'm not flushed with cash, my current OpenSolaris server's storage pool is 5x500GB SATA 150 Samsungs + 3x1TB SATA 300 WD Blacks (why Black? I mis-understood their intented usage) |
| 00:10.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: it depends on what the connections are actually doing, though. |
| 00:11.01 | Thrae | Whoops, 4x500GB |
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| 00:11.03 | Dagmar | Not with those |
| 00:11.13 | A-KO | yeah they do not build those devices with 40 connections in mind |
| 00:11.14 | Dagmar | They run on very little oomph |
| 00:11.15 | A-KO | they just don't |
| 00:11.19 | A-KO | they are VERY VERY subpar |
| 00:11.30 | Dagmar | Well, I wouldn't call them sub-par... |
| 00:11.33 | A-KO | it's hard enough keeping my linksys with dd-wrt on it in WAP mode only alive and kicking for 5 wifi clients |
| 00:11.37 | Dagmar | They do work well, in the space they were designed to work in |
| 00:11.41 | A-KO | sure |
| 00:11.45 | A-KO | 1-2 clients in a home environment |
| 00:11.50 | Thrae | All of /storage is compressed and copying to and from a compressed dataset takes up very little CPU on the single Q6600 |
| 00:11.51 | A-KO | on a 1-10mbit internet connection |
| 00:11.56 | A-KO | absolutely Dagmar, they work great for that |
| 00:11.59 | Dagmar | ...but there are limitations to how much you can time-slice the attention of a single transciever |
| 00:12.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I think my router has less power than a WRT54G, but still pulls much better performance |
| 00:12.16 | Thrae | Even with normally 100GB+ written daily, at ~500MB at a time |
| 00:12.26 | Dagmar | That coffee house had to have someone reach up and replug the 54g they had 4-5 times a day until I hacked into it |
| 00:12.39 | A-KO | Dagmar: our proper solution is to use juniper devices with external APs as needed for each location. That's the IT proposal. But the whole kit for that costs like $1K give or take. |
| 00:12.48 | DWSR | Dagmar: What'd you do? replace the firmware? |
| 00:12.49 | A-KO | versus this $50 WRT solution |
| 00:12.58 | A-KO | you can see why they want to waste $ on the WRT shit |
| 00:13.05 | Dagmar | dwsr: Went in and shortened the amount of time it would remember clients, for one thing |
| 00:13.12 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah. |
| 00:13.26 | Dagmar | it's DHCP pool would become exhausted pretty damn quick as the first thing that was going wrong |
| 00:14.10 | Dagmar | DNS cache, also very small. |
| 00:14.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ~ping |
| 00:14.23 | purl | ~pong |
| 00:15.35 | cbreak | I wonder why those things bother with dns caching |
| 00:15.44 | Dagmar | Putting 40 clients on that is going to work about as well as putting 500 win98/nt machines on the same broadcast domain |
| 00:15.58 | A-KO | haha |
| 00:16.00 | Dagmar | ...just by themselves, fighting out a never-ending browser election |
| 00:16.09 | A-KO | I'll report results tomorrow night :P |
| 00:16.21 | Dagmar | cbreak: Because they do DNS lookups |
| 00:16.28 | A-KO | my biggest question tomorrow is not whether or not this breaks |
| 00:16.31 | A-KO | but rather what I should eat for lunch |
| 00:16.36 | A-KO | a salad or a cheeseburger.. |
| 00:16.38 | A-KO | that's a debate :P |
| 00:16.54 | cbreak | Dagmar: why do they do that? Can't they just transparently route DNS requests? |
| 00:17.10 | Dagmar | They could, but that sort of thing is one of the leading reasons a connection looks "slow" |
| 00:17.49 | Dagmar | If you can cache all lookups for even just one minute, you can make a lot of websites load quite a bit faster, but mainly with dodgy browsers that can't be bothered to even cache locally |
| 00:17.51 | cbreak | I bet every modern OS caches DNS replies |
| 00:18.06 | Thrae | http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/08/gigabyte-m1405-spied-hauling-around-its-external-gpu/ and http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/08/nvidia-pursuing-external-graphics-accelerators-for-laptops/ for laptop users |
| 00:18.34 | VonhintenHOME` | about goddamn time |
| 00:18.39 | Dagmar | cbreak: It seriously affects cell-phone-based browsers |
| 00:18.53 | Dagmar | 'cuz they're just barely running what you'd call a stack in the first place |
| 00:19.29 | cbreak | Dumb Phones probably :) |
| 00:19.30 | ScytheBlade1 | How the crap is that going to connect? |
| 00:19.34 | ScytheBlade1 | USB? |
| 00:19.45 | VonhintenHOME` | external PCI-Express I would guess |
| 00:20.02 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the only logical choice... but that is amazingly dangerous |
| 00:20.10 | Lopeppeppy | passenger pigeon |
| 00:20.11 | ScytheBlade1 | If not just a bit stupid |
| 00:20.17 | Dagmar | It also doesn't help that web admins are relying very heavily now on the architecture to make up for the fact that their "simple" page requires 35 individual images, fourteen different pieces of css and/or javascript, and half a dozen f**king iframes |
| 00:20.48 | cbreak | I maintain my position that DNS caching in a router has no advantages :) |
| 00:21.33 | VonhintenHOME` | It would be awesome if they could build the external GPU's to be upgradable |
| 00:21.57 | VonhintenHOME` | Then I could finally buy a laptop that I could consider something other than a fucking waste of money |
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| 00:22.36 | cbreak | get a real laptop. With internal GPU |
| 00:22.44 | cbreak | then you have to carry less gadgets |
| 00:23.08 | VonhintenHOME` | Yeah, but the whole point of the external GPU is to fix the inherent flaws of doing that... |
| 00:23.23 | VonhintenHOME` | Too much heat/not enough cooling |
| 00:23.44 | cbreak | then they put the wrong GPU in |
| 00:24.00 | VonhintenHOME` | They're trying to get desktop performance on a laptop |
| 00:24.04 | VonhintenHOME` | that's the goal |
| 00:24.09 | cbreak | that sounds dumb |
| 00:24.11 | VonhintenHOME` | that's why you can cook an egg on some of these damn things |
| 00:24.21 | cbreak | anything bigger than a 12 inch screen makes a laptop worthless |
| 00:24.30 | cbreak | and a 12 inch screen can not give desktop performance |
| 00:24.36 | VonhintenHOME` | that's debatable |
| 00:25.08 | cbreak | besides, with such a monster GPU, you might not even reach 4 hours of battery time |
| 00:25.24 | VonhintenHOME` | Not everyone needs to travel long distances with their laptop... |
| 00:25.27 | cbreak | (without external battery I guess :D) |
| 00:25.58 | VonhintenHOME` | laptops make great devices to move from one spot to another within a building... the only requirements there are that it's easy to carry relative to a giant desktop |
| 00:26.28 | cbreak | iMacs are easy to cary :/ |
| 00:26.40 | cbreak | I bet there are Windows PC manufacturers with similar form factor |
| 00:27.07 | VonhintenHOME` | I would expect the external GPU to be separately powered |
| 00:27.12 | VonhintenHOME` | on AV |
| 00:27.13 | VonhintenHOME` | AC |
| 00:28.02 | Dagmar | Dude, Alienware regularly ships out gaming laptops listed as "desktop replacementS" |
| 00:28.09 | VonhintenHOME` | But, it'd be nice if they could make it work off laptop power |
| 00:28.11 | Dagmar | They're not really meant to be portable on battery. |
| 00:28.13 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 00:28.37 | Dagmar | The battery is there as a counterweight for the subwoofer, and to provide you with a few minutes of battery life for browsing forms *about* video games |
| 00:28.55 | VonhintenHOME` | lol |
| 00:29.14 | Dagmar | A dev friend of mine got one in 2004... The damn thing was mostly heatsink fans, heavy as hell, and had like an hour on battery in "economy" mode |
| 00:29.34 | cbreak | somehow that reminds me of Neo Genesis Evangelion. |
| 00:29.39 | Dagmar | It played the hell out of some games when it was plugged in tho'. |
| 00:30.06 | VonhintenHOME` | in my opinion, if you want something to take on a trip, on a plane... get a little ass asus notebook |
| 00:30.12 | DWSR | no |
| 00:30.14 | DWSR | Too little. |
| 00:30.18 | DWSR | Screen will make you blind. |
| 00:30.31 | cbreak | (why did they think it was reasonable to make their big giant robots depend on Cable Power?) |
| 00:30.45 | cbreak | likes his 12 inch Mac Book |
| 00:30.54 | DWSR | I've got a 12" HP tablet. |
| 00:30.58 | DWSR | 12" is about the right size. |
| 00:31.03 | cbreak | it's the perfect size |
| 00:31.19 | cbreak | does tablet mode work well? |
| 00:31.19 | VonhintenHOME` | personally, I hate laptops |
| 00:31.20 | DWSR | Except for the fact that you're a mac user. |
| 00:31.23 | DWSR | and you don't get a say in anything |
| 00:31.33 | DWSR | cbreak: Very |
| 00:31.39 | DWSR | It's a multi-touch surface, so :D |
| 00:31.57 | Dagmar | I started to fire back a response reminding them that there's a chance random drug testing might take place |
| 00:32.01 | cbreak | neat. I saw some HP pen notebook things at work |
| 00:32.04 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 00:32.07 | Dagmar | cbreak: Becuse cheap lithium-ion batteries would blow their robots right up |
| 00:32.08 | cbreak | half of them had to be repaired by waranty |
| 00:32.09 | DWSR | cbreak: They're great. |
| 00:32.11 | VonhintenHOME` | I work/play on a 67" LED DLP, fullsize keyboard and mouse... anything less is too small and a pain in my ass |
| 00:32.20 | Dagmar | One shot in the wrong place and robot == FIREBALL |
| 00:32.21 | DWSR | cbreak: I never had a problem with mine. |
| 00:32.33 | cbreak | is yours one of those with turnable screen |
| 00:32.44 | DWSR | mhm |
| 00:33.26 | cbreak | the ones we had were like laptops, but you could turn the screen to use them as tablet |
| 00:33.38 | cbreak | the main problem they showed was that when they were closed, with external screen |
| 00:33.40 | DWSR | Yeah, that's what the design is. It's a convertible tablet. |
| 00:33.46 | cbreak | they would fire random mouse clicks all over the place |
| 00:33.51 | DWSR | cbreak: O_O |
| 00:33.53 | DWSR | Never had that problem. |
| 00:34.02 | cbreak | I got some very strange helpdesk calls |
| 00:34.02 | DWSR | People using them in the sun or something? |
| 00:34.14 | cbreak | I don't think so |
| 00:34.25 | Dagmar | Ah the problems created for the lack of a few well-placed rubber feet |
| 00:34.49 | Dagmar | ...or disabling the touch screen when the lid is closed. |
| 00:35.06 | cbreak | I tried to educate the users on how to disable it |
| 00:35.29 | cbreak | educating users is painful. |
| 00:35.31 | Dagmar | That's like educating teenagers on abstinence. |
| 00:35.37 | Dagmar | It's not a realistic approach. |
| 00:35.44 | DWSR | indeed |
| 00:35.49 | DWSR | Much better to remove their genetalia. |
| 00:36.11 | DWSR | I mean.... |
| 00:36.15 | Dagmar | Many of them figure they've got the job already, what the hell do they need to learn anything new for |
| 00:36.16 | DWSR | whistles distractedly. |
| 00:36.27 | DWSR | Dagmar: The teenagers or the users? |
| 00:36.40 | Dagmar | *shrug* |
| 00:36.43 | DWSR | hehe |
| 00:36.46 | Dagmar | Seems reasonably applicable to both groups |
| 00:36.57 | DWSR | That's why I wanted clarification |
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| 00:38.43 | DWSR | any git users in here? |
| 00:38.48 | cbreak | yes |
| 00:39.03 | DWSR | I can has externals? |
| 00:39.09 | cbreak | depends |
| 00:39.13 | cbreak | there are submodules |
| 00:39.27 | cbreak | they bind a specific commit of a submodule to the repo they are in |
| 00:39.36 | DWSR | Can that commit be "latest" |
| 00:39.38 | DWSR | "? |
| 00:39.45 | Kraps | has a dizzy |
| 00:39.55 | cbreak | I think it's fixed |
| 00:39.57 | cbreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.00 | cbreak | I've never used them |
| 00:40.01 | DWSR | cbreak: Well. |
| 00:40.23 | DWSR | What's the svn:ignore equivalent? |
| 00:40.33 | DWSR | git ignore? |
| 00:40.52 | cbreak | there are three ways |
| 00:40.55 | cbreak | at least :) |
| 00:41.04 | DWSR | cbreak: lulz. |
| 00:41.09 | cbreak | you can put .gitignore into any directory |
| 00:41.09 | DWSR | I <3 Git |
| 00:41.14 | cbreak | and commit that |
| 00:41.18 | cbreak | it will be active on clones |
| 00:41.25 | cbreak | because the file is part of the history |
| 00:41.44 | cbreak | you can put stuff into .git/info/exclude |
| 00:41.51 | cbreak | this will only apply to this repository |
| 00:41.54 | cbreak | not to clones |
| 00:42.07 | cbreak | and I think you can specify a file in your ~/.gitconfig |
| 00:44.54 | A-KO | hmmm |
| 00:44.54 | ArrowmasterClass | submodules must be bound to a specific commit |
| 00:44.59 | A-KO | what's that other site like world of logs? |
| 00:45.43 | AbsolutRayne | ZzZz |
| 00:45.46 | cbreak | WoW Web Stats? |
| 00:46.03 | A-KO | hmmm, maybe... |
| 00:46.23 | A-KO | think there was another one.....damnit...lol |
| 00:46.32 | DWSR | WWS |
| 00:46.37 | ArrowmasterClass | there was, wws is dead |
| 00:47.59 | cbreak | http://wowwebstats.com/ seems still to work |
| 00:48.03 | cbreak | (the page at least :) |
| 00:48.18 | Shirik | wow, map of the internet: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Internet_map_4096.png |
| 00:49.05 | Shirik | how do you even get that much data |
| 00:49.18 | cbreak | Botnet operator :) |
| 00:49.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Bibi (~Bibi@unaffiliated/bibi) |
| 00:49.34 | cbreak | or dns root server log file admin |
| 00:49.45 | Bruners | put a windows xp torrent on piratebay, ????, profit? |
| 00:49.49 | sylvanaar | pretty colors |
| 00:49.56 | cbreak | someone at Google |
| 00:50.03 | Jerub | lots and lots and lots of traceroutes |
| 00:50.25 | Lopeppeppy | pay a bored teenager |
| 00:50.43 | Shirik | oh this is sick http://www.opte.org/maps/mpeg/movie4.mpeg |
| 00:50.50 | Shirik | They say they need more computing power to get it "good" |
| 00:50.56 | Shirik | but this is just a hint of what could be done |
| 00:51.01 | sylvanaar | my guess is the routers info messages to each other |
| 00:51.30 | Shirik | reminds me of that time I tried to build a map of the trade wars universe |
| 00:51.55 | Jerub | doesn't trade wars only have 1000 nodes? |
| 00:52.07 | sylvanaar | graphvis is awesome |
| 00:52.35 | Jerub | oh, i'm thinking of 'the original' |
| 00:52.56 | Shadowed | Shirik: that would make some good artwork in the resized version! |
| 00:52.57 | Shirik | no we had 5000 nodes |
| 00:53.09 | Shirik | Shadowed: I like this rendering better |
| 00:53.23 | Jerub | i played that on bbs's i think. |
| 00:53.27 | Jerub | that's the right game isn't it? |
| 00:53.42 | Shirik | http://bitcast-a.v1.iad1.bitgravity.com/blyon/opte/maps/static/1069646562.LGL.2D.4000x4000.png |
| 00:53.45 | Shirik | warning: hguge file |
| 00:53.47 | Shirik | huge* |
| 00:53.57 | frontendloader | is it weird to do something like |
| 00:53.59 | ArrowmasterClass | ive seen worse |
| 00:54.14 | frontendloader | _,link = GetItemInfo(i) |
| 00:54.18 | Shirik | no |
| 00:54.20 | frontendloader | itemTable = {link = link} |
| 00:54.22 | ArrowmasterClass | ive seen an image file with a warning not to open it because it would use over a gig of ram |
| 00:54.31 | frontendloader | so that itemTable[link] |
| 00:54.36 | frontendloader | so that itemTable["link"] |
| 00:54.39 | frontendloader | = the itemlink |
| 00:54.48 | Shirik | why not itemTable.link |
| 00:54.51 | DWSR | Jesus christ Shirik |
| 00:55.13 | frontendloader | oh |
| 00:55.22 | AbsolutRayne | Ughhhh |
| 00:55.22 | ArrowmasterClass | Shirik: thinkgeek has posters of internet maps |
| 00:55.27 | A-KO | do any of you think that disabling nagle's algorithm has a substantive effect on a player's ability to play WoW? (that is, increased DPS, etc.) |
| 00:55.28 | frontendloader | I'm doing table.insert so |
| 00:55.29 | Shirik | yeah but they're fake :P |
| 00:55.38 | frontendloader | its actually more like this |
| 00:55.39 | frontendloader | table.insert(resultsTable[i], {link = link, |
| 00:55.40 | AbsolutRayne | Whyyyy does SBF randomly lock up on me and crash my WoW. -_- |
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| 00:55.52 | Shirik | A-KO: I believe it degrades performance, but causes the placebo effect and drops ping times |
| 00:56.00 | A-KO | ahh Shirik |
| 00:56.05 | Shirik | And what I believe is always accurate, therefore I win |
| 00:56.08 | A-KO | lol |
| 00:56.12 | Shadowed | what if I believe you believe wrong |
| 00:56.18 | Shirik | then you believe wrong |
| 00:56.35 | Shadowed | so because my belief is you believe wrong, if my belief is wrong then it's right? |
| 00:56.37 | WobWork | A-KO: I believe that if they can't play in the first place, no algorithm will replace the lrn2play required |
| 00:56.44 | Shadowed | I am glad we cleared this up! |
| 00:56.48 | Shirik | Let A be "I believe this" and B be "this is true" and C be "you believe this" |
| 00:56.51 | A-KO | true WobWork, but a friend of mine is trying to squeeze out some extra DPS any which way he can |
| 00:56.55 | Shadowed | I like my version better |
| 00:57.12 | sylvanaar | use the word tautology in there |
| 00:57.16 | WobWork | well if it has a placebo effect, then it'll work for them |
| 00:57.34 | WobWork | sylvanaar: All tautologies are true |
| 00:57.36 | Shadowed | I wanted to fit more believe/beliefs in, but I couldn't |
| 00:57.46 | Shirik | A -> B and A -> !C implies C -> !B... I think |
| 00:57.49 | Shirik | I need to verify, one second |
| 00:58.14 | DWSR | No |
| 00:58.15 | Shirik | C -> !A and !B -> !A, but C does not imply !B |
| 00:58.16 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:58.18 | DWSR | I odn't think so. |
| 00:58.24 | Shadowed | So what you are saying is, I'm right |
| 00:58.27 | Shirik | no |
| 00:58.30 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 00:58.31 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:58.37 | Shirik | I'm saying I can't prove you're wrong.... yet |
| 00:59.23 | Shadowed | So you're like a creationist, you can't prove evolution is false (yet) |
| 00:59.24 | NightHawkTheSane | ~Shadowed++ |
| 00:59.34 | Shadowed | but when we all die you'll have the last laugh |
| 00:59.37 | Shadowed | I'll accept that |
| 01:00.23 | Shirik | But anyway, the problem of nagle's algorithm is simple, really. Nagle's algorithm increases the amount of data sent on the faulty assumption that for some reason we need to send out the ACK data packet fast. This is in fact not true, because the server and client (should) act upon data as soon as it's received, not wait for some meaningless TCP ACK packet. The ACK is just to keep |
| 01:00.29 | Shirik | the transmission in sync, it's not visible at the application layer |
| 01:01.24 | Shirik | er |
| 01:01.29 | Shirik | That should say "disabling nagle's algorithm" |
| 01:01.52 | ArrowmasterClass | i didnt think it had anything to do with ACK packets |
| 01:02.05 | sylvanaar | in theory it would prevent sending delay |
| 01:02.08 | WobWork | so it -does- improve data throughput? |
| 01:02.36 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: That's the primary culprit that invokes nagle's algorithm |
| 01:02.45 | sylvanaar | if you were sending small packets |
| 01:02.47 | Shirik | I mean there are other cases, sure |
| 01:02.51 | WobWork | invokes the -need- for nagle's algorithm/ |
| 01:02.52 | Shirik | but WoW sends a ton of data |
| 01:02.54 | WobWork | ? |
| 01:03.16 | ScytheBlade1 | no, it just sends data very very quickly in small batches |
| 01:03.17 | Shirik | not a "ton" but enough |
| 01:03.27 | Shirik | not that small... |
| 01:03.35 | Shirik | given the typical MTU is 1500 bytes |
| 01:03.36 | Dagmar | ...and ther'es still the TCP window size thing |
| 01:03.37 | ScytheBlade1 | when you raid, the batches get larger |
| 01:03.38 | Lopeppeppy | Great. My mom just spent 10 minutes lecturing me because I don't have a will made, and I'm having surgery on the 25th. *crawls into a hole* |
| 01:03.38 | frontendloader | outside of writing a hashing function is there a way to convert an an associative array of itemids into an indexed table? |
| 01:03.50 | ArrowmasterClass | since wow sends a ton, the solution is for them to just have the client disable it for its own communications |
| 01:03.50 | Shirik | well screw non-raiders |
| 01:03.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: what for? (if I may ask) |
| 01:03.55 | frontendloader | basically replacing the itemid with an index? |
| 01:04.10 | ArrowmasterClass | disabling it for the entire system has negative effects |
| 01:04.10 | Shirik | Arrowmaster? |
| 01:04.11 | WobWork | Lopeppeppy: I'd go get one drawn up =\ |
| 01:04.13 | sylvanaar | how large are the chunks of data wow sends, and what is the threshold that nagle is set to to hold onto them |
| 01:04.18 | Shirik | I don't see any benefit to disabling it for the client |
| 01:04.18 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Tell your mom to stick it up her hoo ha |
| 01:04.22 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: You know for $10 you can generally get a piece of cocktail napkin saying "I leave everything to Elvis" notarized |
| 01:04.25 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: You're going in for HAND surgery, right? |
| 01:04.27 | Shirik | sylvanaar: The latter part of that question is an OS level issue |
| 01:04.39 | ArrowmasterClass | nagle's is ment for sending small amounts of data, so it will negatively effect larger amounts of data |
| 01:04.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, but full sedation, DWSR |
| 01:04.50 | sylvanaar | it stands to reason if you can turn it off you can probably tune it |
| 01:04.50 | Shirik | precisely |
| 01:04.55 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: It's day surgery, right? |
| 01:04.57 | Shirik | which is why it helps ping times, but hurts WoW performance |
| 01:04.58 | Dagmar | s/negatively/have little effect/; afaik |
| 01:05.00 | cbreak | fears knifes and needles |
| 01:05.00 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't re-written my will since the dee-vorce came through. |
| 01:05.12 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, yup, outpatient (once I wake back up) |
| 01:05.16 | Shirik | er |
| 01:05.18 | ArrowmasterClass | Shirik: i dont think youve got it right |
| 01:05.18 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Then you'll live. |
| 01:05.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: probably a very very wise idea to rewrite it, then. |
| 01:05.20 | Shirik | backwards |
| 01:05.25 | Shirik | disabling nagle's ... |
| 01:05.29 | Dagmar | There's no need to wait on a "sufficiently worthy" amount of data to send when a bunch arrives in the outbound pipe all at once |
| 01:05.30 | DWSR | Though, you should rewrite it |
| 01:05.39 | cbreak | My will "Rez me please!" |
| 01:05.47 | Shirik | nagle's algorithm would not negatively affect larger amounts of data, it wouldn't affect it |
| 01:05.48 | DWSR | LUZL |
| 01:05.54 | Shirik | It will delay short packets by a small amount of time |
| 01:06.01 | Dagmar | cbreak: That actually costs $15,000 last time I checked |
| 01:06.08 | sylvanaar | how big are the wow messages |
| 01:06.09 | ArrowmasterClass | "the 'small packet problem', where an application repeatedly emits data in small chunks, frequently only 1 byte in size. Since TCP packets have a 40 byte header (20 bytes for TCP, 20 bytes for IPv4), this results in a 41 byte packet for 1 byte of useful information, a huge overhead. This situation often occurs in Telnet sessions" |
| 01:06.11 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: I do agree with SB1 that updating your will to account for your singularity would be prudent at some upcoming point. |
| 01:06.11 | Dagmar | ...and you have to wear a special bracelet |
| 01:06.13 | Lopeppeppy | It needs re-writing, I agree. The divorce decree specifically dissolves any provisions in our wills for each other, even if I didn't re-write it. :) But I didn't need the "OMG you're going to die" for this surgery. |
| 01:06.15 | ArrowmasterClass | thats the reason for nagle's |
| 01:06.21 | Shirik | right |
| 01:06.24 | Shirik | it delays short packets |
| 01:06.28 | Shirik | This can be a good thing or a bad thing |
| 01:06.34 | ArrowmasterClass | it delays all packets i thought |
| 01:06.40 | Dagmar | sylvanaar: Large enough that it might matter if you're PvPing, but unlikely to matter much beyond that |
| 01:06.44 | cbreak | Dagmar: they are nasty. |
| 01:06.55 | Shirik | it only delays if there's a need to, for example if you try to send more than 1500 bytes there's nothing nagle's can do about that |
| 01:06.58 | Shirik | (on a typical connection) |
| 01:07.04 | Shirik | it's going to be fragmented anyway |
| 01:07.08 | Dagmar | They're also notably closed-mouthed as to _when_ you'll get that res. |
| 01:07.13 | ArrowmasterClass | right but what if its trying to send 1000 bytes |
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| 01:07.25 | ArrowmasterClass | it really should just send it but it wont |
| 01:07.31 | Shirik | that's an OS-level issue; totally dependent upon how the driver coded that algorithm |
| 01:07.36 | Dagmar | Arrowmaser: then it could potentially hold things up by a few ms |
| 01:07.40 | Shirik | Nagle's just says how to accomplish it, not any particular numbers |
| 01:07.46 | ArrowmasterClass | exactly which is why people disable it for wow |
| 01:07.56 | Shirik | I doubt that's how it's coded tbh |
| 01:08.04 | cbreak | the WoW latency problems are server side |
| 01:08.06 | ArrowmasterClass | but the wow client is capable of just disable it for its traffic, but it doesnt |
| 01:08.13 | Shirik | I thought it did now |
| 01:08.14 | Dagmar | Nah, I'd say they disable it for WoW because they're paranoid morons one step away from downloading a "connection optimizer" which they will then swear doubled their cablemodem speeds |
| 01:08.18 | AbsolutRayne | So wierd, not playing with Backpedal and Turn Left / Right on ASD |
| 01:08.39 | Dagmar | ...all the while wondering aloud what those weird kanji popups in their systray are about |
| 01:08.45 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: KEYBOARD TURNER!!! |
| 01:09.01 | Shirik | Nagle's algorithm is really all about improving signal-to-overhead ratio |
| 01:09.02 | ArrowmasterClass | Shirik: patch notes claimed it did but testing proved otherwise |
| 01:09.04 | Dagmar | Shirik: it does and it has done so for over a year |
| 01:09.05 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: >:[ |
| 01:09.16 | AbsolutRayne | I only have Forward and Strafe bound now lol |
| 01:09.17 | sylvanaar | someone should just take a trace of the client with and without nagle |
| 01:09.19 | Lunessa | I was going to go to lunch/dinner - until I got downstairs and saw that the rain was coming down in sheets and my car is at the far end of the parking lot. |
| 01:09.23 | Dagmar | I'll trust the patch notes over the people who generally shriek "disable it" |
| 01:09.30 | Shirik | If I were to code it, I wouldn't stall anything more than maybe 100 bytes. But then again, I've done no testing and this is just off the top of my head |
| 01:09.39 | A-KO | WoW hasn't disabled it yet |
| 01:09.43 | A-KO | even though it's in the patch notes that they have :P |
| 01:09.44 | Thunder_Child | "sarcasm needs its own font" <-- agreed |
| 01:10.08 | A-KO | either way |
| 01:10.12 | A-KO | was just a question if anyone observed it |
| 01:10.18 | Shirik | I propose all sarcasm in <blink><marquee> |
| 01:10.21 | A-KO | I don't ever recommend stuff like that but the dude's hounding me :P |
| 01:10.28 | ArrowmasterClass | who? |
| 01:10.45 | Dagmar | People get the crazy idea that Nagle's is going to give them 2000ms ping times |
| 01:10.47 | A-KO | buddy of mine, pushing 9K DPS as a DK, wanting to push more... |
| 01:10.55 | Dagmar | Let's try more like 20ms |
| 01:10.57 | sylvanaar | you know each packet sent adds delay, even if the latency is low there can be more of it |
| 01:10.58 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: umm...just different, not 'i want to stab you to death for using that font' |
| 01:11.15 | ArrowmasterClass | sylvanaar: thats only if you start hitting your send buffer |
| 01:11.20 | Dagmar | sylvanar: other way around |
| 01:11.41 | Dagmar | The only way more packets are going to across-the-board increase latency is if your modem is choking to death |
| 01:12.03 | ArrowmasterClass | exactly |
| 01:12.18 | ArrowmasterClass | which if you are only running wow, wont happen |
| 01:12.29 | sylvanaar | you are assuming they are taking identical times to arrive at the other end |
| 01:12.39 | Dagmar | Well, if you're raiding on a 14.4k modem, you probably have even bigge rproblems |
| 01:12.40 | Lopeppeppy | shares her granola bar with Lunessa. Nom? |
| 01:13.00 | Dagmar | sylvanaar: We're not assuming anything |
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| 01:13.16 | Lunessa | nom nom nom thank you |
| 01:13.30 | AbsolutRayne | O_o that was wierd. |
| 01:13.54 | Lopeppeppy | Extra fiber, Lunessa, good for you! |
| 01:13.56 | Shirik | eats tostitos |
| 01:14.04 | Dagmar | sylvanaar: If the jitter across the network is an issue, no amount of local filtering is really going to do a thing about it |
| 01:14.17 | Dagmar | Large packets are just as likely to be affected by it as small ones. |
| 01:14.50 | ArrowmasterClass | most games use TCP_NODELAY |
| 01:15.03 | ArrowmasterClass | or UDP |
| 01:15.12 | sylvanaar | i like UDP |
| 01:15.33 | sylvanaar | especially on wireless |
| 01:15.37 | ArrowmasterClass | i dont |
| 01:15.37 | Dagmar | Well, most games wont' have people screaming bloody murder because their combat log dropped a few lines because UDP _isn't reliable_ |
| 01:16.01 | sylvanaar | you write your own retransmit code |
| 01:16.09 | ArrowmasterClass | no |
| 01:16.10 | Dagmar | Then you might as well be using TCVP. |
| 01:16.13 | Dagmar | er TCP |
| 01:16.23 | Dagmar | There is _little_ to be gained from reinventing the wheel like that. |
| 01:16.28 | ArrowmasterClass | if you are using UDP you make sure that lost packets dont effect anything |
| 01:16.48 | Dagmar | You can adjust the parameters for window and retransmission time fairly easily when you create a TCP socket to begin with |
| 01:16.58 | Shirik | there are some games that can benefit from UDB |
| 01:16.59 | Shirik | UDP |
| 01:17.07 | Shirik | Particularly, FPSes |
| 01:17.09 | ArrowmasterClass | most FPS games do |
| 01:17.28 | Dagmar | Yeah because having everything happen under 75ms is more important than whether or not you see every little bullet |
| 01:17.48 | Shirik | Well you have to make sure bullets fired are appropriately handled. But if you miss one step, nobody's going to care |
| 01:17.49 | Lunessa | Mmm... bullet time, |
| 01:17.53 | Shirik | you'll catch up on the next |
| 01:17.57 | Jerub | ah man, the udp/tcp debate. |
| 01:18.10 | ArrowmasterClass | yeah its mostly the movement code that benefits from UDP |
| 01:18.34 | Dagmar | It's the _server_ that needs to see every little bullet |
| 01:18.34 | Jerub | everyone who writes a networked game for the first time first spends 6 weeks trying to use udp because it's "fast" then spends 6 weeks implementing TCP in UDP, then spends 6 weeks undoing their mistakes and using TCP for everything. |
| 01:18.40 | Shirik | right that's what I mean |
| 01:18.44 | ArrowmasterClass | you just send the exact location you are at and the exact direction you are looking in every packet and a lost packet doesnt hurt anything |
| 01:18.46 | Shirik | the client has to make sure the server received that message |
| 01:19.15 | cbreak | don't trust the client with absolutes |
| 01:19.19 | Dagmar | The server, being an incredibly disinterested thirty-party, can be trusted to make reasonable decisions about whether or not you really fired said bullet. |
| 01:19.32 | Dagmar | You can't trust the client to do much of anything. |
| 01:19.33 | cbreak | or it'll tell you that you fly 30 units above the boss and are dropping bombs |
| 01:19.44 | Shirik | cbreak: but I did... |
| 01:19.58 | Shirik | also, best bug ever |
| 01:20.00 | ArrowmasterClass | thats why the server should always verifiy stuff like if the client is moving faster than they should be |
| 01:20.04 | Shirik | from trusting the client too much |
| 01:20.16 | Shirik | a game I played had a special chat for the top 5 members of a race which got sent to everyone in a special color |
| 01:20.21 | Shirik | the GMs also used it |
| 01:20.28 | ArrowmasterClass | also why all the recent games fail so much for not having dedicated servers |
| 01:20.33 | Dagmar | ...and keyboards should be fitted with plastique and remote detonators. |
| 01:20.39 | Shirik | it just so happens in every message, you specify who sent the message in plaintext |
| 01:20.54 | Shirik | So just replacing that piece with a name like [GM]Dave results in a message from a GM :) |
| 01:21.13 | Shirik | Of course, when you only have 5 people that have access to that chat, and 4 weren't on at the time, it becomes somewhat obvious who did it... |
| 01:21.55 | ArrowmasterClass | it was dave ofcourse |
| 01:21.57 | Dagmar | Well... hehe |
| 01:22.11 | Dagmar | If four weren't on at that time, the fifth must be _really_ stoned to fall for that. |
| 01:22.14 | Shirik | I remember another time, same game, same problem |
| 01:22.25 | Shirik | Someone was globally muted in the game, not able to talk at all |
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| 01:22.30 | Shirik | kinda like a soft ban |
| 01:22.39 | Shirik | Someone started sending messages with his name |
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| 01:22.44 | Shirik | GMs thought he hacked the game so they banned him |
| 01:22.57 | Shirik | This is the best part |
| 01:23.13 | ArrowmasterClass | it was you sending the messages |
| 01:23.15 | Dagmar | OMG HE EVADED TEH BAN! |
| 01:23.15 | Shirik | somehow the server KNEW it WASN'T him because it let the messages go through... but WASN'T smart enough to figure out it wasn't him because the name stayed put |
| 01:24.48 | Shirik | Arrowmaster, do you think I'm that evil :( |
| 01:26.25 | frontendloader | doesn't wow chat do something silly like that too? |
| 01:26.36 | frontendloader | I've seen a few people able to get a blizz icon even though they're definitely not GMs |
| 01:27.18 | Shirik | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7187027/Polish-newspaper-claims-Pedobear-is-2010-Vancouver-Olympic-mascot.html |
| 01:27.30 | Lopeppeppy | That would be spoofing or other evil, and I hope they get a nice banstick for it. :) |
| 01:27.59 | Dagmar | wait... wat? |
| 01:28.13 | sylvanaar | http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/showfaq.asp?forum_id=15 |
| 01:28.56 | ArrowmasterClass | frontendloader: no thats other bugs |
| 01:29.32 | Lopeppeppy | Or other bugs. Still evil, hope they get a banstick |
| 01:30.25 | Dagmar | "However, to make this guarantee, TCP must suspend all packet delivery to the receiving end, if one packet is lost, until that packet can be detected as lost and re-sent." <-- this is not necessarily true |
| 01:30.55 | Dagmar | ...but I'll be damned if I'm explaining why to anyone who has to be told an answer to the question it's in response to |
| 01:31.14 | Dagmar | See also: TCP Window Size |
| 01:31.26 | A-KO | Shirik: that is PRO |
| 01:31.28 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:31.48 | Dagmar | Shirik: I'm sure there's a polock joke lurking around in there somewhere |
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| 01:36.24 | Dagmar | Right, so the first google hit for "World of warcraft nagle" still says it was disabled in 2.3.2 |
| 01:36.29 | Dagmar | The second hit is http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=8792.msg49474 |
| 01:36.46 | Dagmar | ...which is from some damn looney who is asking if he can disable nagle's using pfsense on a Linux machine. |
| 01:36.54 | Dagmar | ...on a router. |
| 01:37.17 | Dagmar | ....which kind of sums up the level of technical sophistication that is generally prone to worrying about it |
| 01:37.57 | ArrowmasterClass | thats actually how it was originally disabled |
| 01:38.10 | ArrowmasterClass | on a router, but it was a linux router not bsd |
| 01:38.30 | Shirik | how do you get a router to disable the algorithm? |
| 01:38.39 | Shirik | it's a client concern |
| 01:38.40 | ArrowmasterClass | packet mangeling |
| 01:38.41 | Dagmar | You don't. |
| 01:38.45 | Dagmar | That's just it. |
| 01:39.09 | Dagmar | What you do to your router isn't going to affect a thing on the wholly-separate-from-it-client. |
| 01:39.16 | ArrowmasterClass | i dont understand it that much either |
| 01:39.27 | Dagmar | These guys think Nagle's is like some magical fairy dust that just affects the whole connection |
| 01:41.09 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Yer bog standard router doesn't ever wait to retransmit a packet unless you've gone out of your way to set up some fairly convoluted QoS rules. |
| 01:41.40 | Dagmar | Nagle's stuff is handled _strictly_ on a the sending client's end |
| 01:42.16 | Lopeppeppy | sheeple will believe *anything* |
| 01:42.36 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 01:42.43 | Dagmar | Internet connection "optimizers" are practially the new wonder elixir of the 21st century |
| 01:43.10 | Lopeppeppy | Antonio Pirelli's Miracle Elixir, it will do the trick sir, yes it's true. |
| 01:43.39 | Dagmar | There's a better than average chance that most of these people who carp that "OMG BitTorrent is so slow!" are actually suffering because they disabled Nagle's algorithm system-wide. |
| 01:43.40 | KarlKFI|work | I'd say computer optimization is more applicable |
| 01:43.51 | Dagmar | ...and it will F**K throughput for P2P software. |
| 01:44.01 | Dagmar | Like, serious chainsaw cornholing action. |
| 01:44.08 | KarlKFI|work | ex: best buy's optimization settings |
| 01:44.47 | KarlKFI|work | internet optimization is a close 2nd tho |
| 01:45.50 | KarlKFI|work | anti-malware software might be higher tho |
| 01:46.10 | WobWork | http://i.imgur.com/uPb5l.png |
| 01:46.35 | Dagmar | Unfotunately, anti-malware pushes _itself_ usually |
| 01:46.36 | KarlKFI|work | 99% of what anti-malware software does is check for old known viruses that no hacker has used in the last year. |
| 01:46.57 | Dagmar | Pfft. I'd say 3/4 of what it does is look for other machines to infect. |
| 01:47.16 | *** join/#wowuidev _xqo (~xqo@195.131.251.212.customer.cdi.no) |
| 01:47.53 | Dagmar | "Your computer could be infected with a virus" <-- popping up with beautiful WinXP window decorations in a browser RUNNING IN COMPIZ kinda gives it away |
| 01:48.04 | Dagmar | Same goes for when they're silly enough to try to fool mac users |
| 01:48.22 | cbreak | poppig up? |
| 01:48.29 | cbreak | still using JavaScript? :P |
| 01:49.09 | KarlKFI|work | most normal people still have JS enabled yes |
| 01:49.15 | WobWork | lies |
| 01:49.16 | KarlKFI|work | because web devs love js |
| 01:49.21 | WobWork | noscript ftw |
| 01:49.34 | KarlKFI|work | you are nor normal or average |
| 01:49.37 | KarlKFI|work | not* |
| 01:49.43 | WobWork | aww |
| 01:49.50 | WobWork | that's the sweetest thing anyone's said today |
| 01:49.58 | Dagmar | I've sure as heck got noScript running on Win7 |
| 01:50.08 | Dagmar | No easier way to shove a foot up Adobe's ass |
| 01:50.17 | WobWork | Dagmar: sure there is |
| 01:50.23 | WobWork | flashblocker =) |
| 01:50.24 | KarlKFI|work | set 1: dont install adobe |
| 01:50.28 | KarlKFI|work | step* |
| 01:50.40 | Dagmar | WobWork: So Flashblocker will also block PDF and Air hooks? |
| 01:50.56 | KarlKFI|work | i personally use Click to Flash tho |
| 01:51.00 | WobWork | Dagmar: hm, I've not installed air, so I dunno |
| 01:51.12 | WobWork | also, it could be click to flash |
| 01:51.16 | Dagmar | It's probably installed now. They're sneaky like that with trying to get Air out there. |
| 01:51.28 | Dagmar | Worse that Apple and bloody iTunes |
| 01:51.56 | WobWork | for some reason, Bonjour won't install properly on my machine |
| 01:52.03 | Dagmar | "It's time to update your Quicktime codecs. Clik here to install Quicktime and iTunes." "Wait, what?" |
| 01:52.05 | WobWork | so it tries to prompt to install it every single check |
| 01:52.31 | Dagmar | That's weird. Bonjour's practically the one thing of the lot with very little exposure to malicious web sites |
| 01:52.57 | KarlKFI|work | Bonjour is a virus |
| 01:53.12 | Dagmar | Nah it's just a local browsing protocol |
| 01:53.17 | DWSR | No, it's definitely a Virus. |
| 01:53.21 | Dagmar | ...although it can be fun to mess with at your average coffee house. |
| 01:53.33 | Dagmar | WAY better than bluetooth abuse of mac users |
| 01:53.36 | WobWork | I use it to install books on my iphone |
| 01:53.37 | KarlKFI|work | it actively polls for networked machines and devices |
| 01:53.46 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, abuse of mac users! |
| 01:53.49 | KarlKFI|work | constantly |
| 01:53.51 | Dagmar | Yes it does. |
| 01:53.57 | Dagmar | LAN-space only |
| 01:54.08 | KarlKFI|work | it's the demise of LAN parties |
| 01:54.09 | Dagmar | It's not going out and portscanning China or something |
| 01:54.23 | KarlKFI|work | it RUINS XP machines on yoru network |
| 01:54.24 | Dagmar | Maybe if you run your LAN parties on recycled christmas tinsel |
| 01:54.43 | Dagmar | It's network load is no more than the average Windows browser elections |
| 01:54.45 | cbreak | xp machines ruin themselves |
| 01:54.58 | Dagmar | Fun to see mac users' machines broadcasting their real names on the local LAN tho |
| 01:54.59 | KarlKFI|work | that's the problem. it's multiplicative cbreak |
| 01:55.26 | cbreak | what else should the machines do? Lie about their name? |
| 01:55.27 | ArrowmasterClass | yeah bonjour or more commonly know as zeroconf or mDNS just uses multicast and it doesnt even send out traffic that often |
| 01:55.29 | cbreak | that wouldn't work well :) |
| 01:55.40 | Dagmar | more than once I've gone to a table full of coed girls using macs and asked them _by name_ to disable certain things for their own benefit |
| 01:55.48 | *** join/#wowuidev chrippa (~chrippa@evangelion.se) |
| 01:55.52 | KarlKFI|work | lol |
| 01:55.56 | cbreak | fun :) |
| 01:56.15 | KarlKFI|work | who needs pick up lines with broadcasting macs |
| 01:56.18 | Jerub | tee hee |
| 01:56.30 | Dagmar | cbreak: Well, it doesn't really need to broadcast the user's _real name_ like that |
| 01:56.44 | KarlKFI|work | except they use their real anme in computer registration |
| 01:56.48 | Dagmar | Other mechanisms just stick with spamming out "my fuckin' PC" once in awhile |
| 01:56.50 | cbreak | the mac itself doesn't I think |
| 01:56.59 | cbreak | iChat probably does |
| 01:57.05 | Dagmar | No, the Mac does. |
| 01:57.06 | cbreak | if you enter it |
| 01:57.06 | Dagmar | Seriously. |
| 01:57.10 | cbreak | what for? |
| 01:57.15 | Dagmar | I've done this trick *many* times at Bongo Java |
| 01:57.28 | ArrowmasterClass | does it get you laid? |
| 01:57.43 | Dagmar | Damned if I know what they were thinking, other tha nit would be nice to show "Janey Lockhearts PC" in some form of a browse list |
| 01:57.59 | WobWork | They're mac users |
| 01:58.04 | Dagmar | Win7 at least distinguishes between a private network and a semi-public network like a coffee house |
| 01:58.05 | Jerub | grins. |
| 01:58.09 | cbreak | Arrowmaster: it would broadcast your bank account balance if it wanted to get you laid |
| 01:58.11 | WobWork | It's -important- that they be identified! |
| 01:58.17 | Dagmar | hehehe |
| 01:58.18 | Jerub | I totally need to get an android app that searches bonjour for real names |
| 01:58.20 | WobWork | otherwise, how would you know they're mac users! |
| 01:58.24 | KarlKFI|work | thankfully iphones dont use bonjour |
| 01:58.28 | Dagmar | I was thikning something along the lines of "pod people have perfect trust between one another" |
| 01:58.28 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 01:58.30 | cbreak | Dagmar: that's the name of the computer, not the user |
| 01:58.32 | KarlKFI|work | or else i'd have stabbed apple |
| 01:58.33 | DWSR | Dagmar: Thanks fo rthe tip. I'll try that sometime. |
| 01:58.50 | Dagmar | DWSR: Just turn on a sniffer to show you plaintext. |
| 01:58.53 | Dagmar | It'll boggle your mind. |
| 01:58.53 | cbreak | if they didn't enter a good computer name, it'll use a dumb default. |
| 01:59.16 | cbreak | KarlKFI|work: iPhones can use bonjur afaik |
| 01:59.19 | cbreak | to find printers? |
| 01:59.21 | Dagmar | They can. |
| 01:59.43 | Dagmar | I like the protocol. I just dislike some of the more "trusting" implementations. |
| 02:00.06 | Dagmar | Like, if you have a printer you _mean_ for everyone nearby to use, ther'es not much reason to _not_ allow it to advertise itself |
| 02:00.31 | KarlKFI|work | yes, but it doesn't broadcast non-stop |
| 02:00.43 | KarlKFI|work | it onyl broadcasts when within an app that uses it |
| 02:00.44 | cbreak | even if it's only meant to be used by you, no harm done by broadcasting |
| 02:01.19 | Dagmar | KarlKFI|work: Nah as far as I know it's always listening, just caching the info until an app polls for it |
| 02:02.01 | Dagmar | It *is* kinda ballsy to broadcast tho, because at the moment that's still a very narrow target. |
| 02:02.10 | ArrowmasterClass | cbreak: except when somebody breaks into your wifi and the printer is just advertising itself to the network so they know exactly where to send the horse porn |
| 02:02.20 | Dagmar | Should someone find a few solid exploits, viruses will really fly on local Mac networks |
| 02:02.31 | cbreak | if they know the printer password :) |
| 02:02.36 | Dagmar | No need to really guess at the OS... It's gonna be a bloody mac |
| 02:02.53 | ArrowmasterClass | mDNS is used by more than just macs |
| 02:02.57 | cbreak | guessing the OS is easy, I doubt it's a hurdle :) |
| 02:03.01 | KarlKFI|work | actually any itunes install installs bonjour by default |
| 02:03.04 | Dagmar | GNOME can use it, which is why I know most of how it works |
| 02:03.15 | KarlKFI|work | even on windows |
| 02:03.30 | cbreak | iTunes doesn't install bonjour on macs. only on windows |
| 02:03.34 | Dagmar | Bbuildng those packages involved a lot of WTF moments tho |
| 02:03.47 | KarlKFI|work | :P ok but macs already have bonjour |
| 02:03.51 | cbreak | yes :) |
| 02:03.57 | KarlKFI|work | picky picky |
| 02:04.07 | ArrowmasterClass | Dagmar: im going to convert you away from slackware one day |
| 02:04.17 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: It won't be hard |
| 02:04.34 | Dagmar | I damn near gave it up when I first installed Ubuntu 8 |
| 02:04.41 | Dagmar | I felt *cheated* |
| 02:04.46 | KarlKFI|work | ah # Bonjour has been on the iPhone since 2.0 |
| 02:05.08 | ArrowmasterClass | Dagmar: why? |
| 02:05.17 | Dagmar | I'd spent a good 20 hours banging the latest Slack into shape, and the goddamn Ubuntu install had the SHEER GALL to "just work" and install the proprietary drivers and everything else. |
| 02:05.32 | Dagmar | I was _pisssed_ |
| 02:06.35 | Dagmar | Now, I will say this is strictly in _desktop space_. |
| 02:06.44 | Dagmar | Practically the converse is true if you want an SMTP server. |
| 02:06.46 | cbreak | "... it just works". I wonder if ubuntu is allowed that sentence fragment. |
| 02:06.51 | Dagmar | Maybe an hour to get one running with Slackware. |
| 02:07.04 | Dagmar | A good ten to fifteen to beat all the extra crap out of Ubuntu |
| 02:07.54 | Dagmar | If you want a minimalist firewall, Ubuntu is pretty much wholly out of the question |
| 02:08.33 | KarlKFI|work | if you want minimalist anything compile your own OS |
| 02:08.46 | ArrowmasterClass | stop using the bastardized for kids version and use debian |
| 02:08.57 | cbreak | slax is neat. |
| 02:09.59 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I have a perfectly understandable grudge against Debian |
| 02:10.40 | Dagmar | The last time I tried to use it I had no less than five people who could probably be considered Debian experts saying "Oh yeah, just run this and it'll add X, and run this and it'll add this other thing and you'll be good to go." |
| 02:11.00 | Dagmar | Deals with SATAN typically involve less dogged literalism |
| 02:11.13 | Dagmar | X does a whole f**kload of good with NO APPS. Not even xterm. |
| 02:11.34 | ArrowmasterClass | if you want X then you should just have the installer install it for you |
| 02:11.47 | Dagmar | I did. The *only* thing it installed was X. |
| 02:11.51 | Dagmar | No joke. |
| 02:11.59 | Dagmar | I literally had a machine with a kernel, bash, and X. |
| 02:12.00 | ArrowmasterClass | how many years ago was this? |
| 02:12.04 | Dagmar | Several. |
| 02:12.07 | ArrowmasterClass | right |
| 02:12.13 | Dagmar | If I want Debian now, I'll do it the easy way |
| 02:12.21 | Dagmar | I'll install the latest Ubuntu, change the repo, and run apt-get. |
| 02:12.40 | ArrowmasterClass | that wont get you a debian system |
| 02:12.40 | Dagmar | I watched one of the first MythBuntu releases pull that trick |
| 02:12.40 | ArrowmasterClass | that will get you a broken system |
| 02:12.52 | Dagmar | Oh yes it will. It'll very quickly go grab everything that's different and bootstrap itself into place. heh |
| 02:13.21 | ArrowmasterClass | it wont be correct though, ubuntu modifies so much crap |
| 02:13.36 | alestane | If you call "frame:GetParent():Hide(); frame:Show()", will frame's OnShowscript get called? |
| 02:13.36 | Dagmar | In two commands and about three hours total, MythBuntu de-myth'd itself into plain Ubuntu, and then I zigged the wrong way again and it turned into plain Debian |
| 02:14.20 | Dagmar | I have great faith in apt now tho |
| 02:14.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: awesome job there |
| 02:14.31 | ArrowmasterClass | only a single package turned it into debian, the rest of the packages were probably a mix though |
| 02:14.34 | Dagmar | Hell of a package manager they have there |
| 02:15.01 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: It wasn't just one single package. I changed the repos it was looking at without knowing which one I *should* have been pointing it at |
| 02:15.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm still quite enjoying fedora |
| 02:15.42 | ArrowmasterClass | Dagmar: no i just mean a single package controls that it thinks its debian vs ubuntu vs anything else |
| 02:15.46 | Dagmar | It takes the entire list of stuff from where you pointed it at, looks at the system inventory, makes some semi-intelligent decisions about how to go from packageset "a" to packageset "B" and starts downloading and installing stuff |
| 02:15.56 | Dagmar | It wasn't a single package. |
| 02:16.07 | Dagmar | They're all linux, and they were all binary-compatible enough |
| 02:16.19 | Dagmar | It replaced bloody everything practically |
| 02:16.36 | Dagmar | The only really dodgy bits are bash, glibc, the package manager, and the kernel. |
| 02:16.52 | Dagmar | Those four things can typically just break yer everything. |
| 02:17.00 | ArrowmasterClass | admits to hosing glibc once and almost needing to reinstall |
| 02:17.15 | ScytheBlade1 | You need to add the linker in to that |
| 02:17.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I've broken my dynamic linker before |
| 02:17.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Bad Things(TM) happened |
| 02:17.28 | ArrowmasterClass | i think thats what i did |
| 02:17.41 | Dagmar | That's part of glibc. |
| 02:18.01 | ArrowmasterClass | i managed to drop a copy of it into /usr/local/ and it worked enough for me to have aptitude reinstall glibc so the correct one was in place |
| 02:18.31 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, no, ScytheBlade1! Broken the linker! |
| 02:18.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: indeed :( |
| 02:19.06 | Dagmar | Stuff like that is why everyone still (usually) has at least one completely static shell |
| 02:19.18 | ScytheBlade1 | It was gentoo at the time |
| 02:19.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Land of bad ideas |
| 02:19.22 | Dagmar | You break glibc and you don't have one, you are f**ked |
| 02:19.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I had to live-disc it |
| 02:19.27 | Dagmar | lol |
| 02:19.28 | ArrowmasterClass | yeah debian and ubuntu are using dash now |
| 02:19.53 | ArrowmasterClass | there was a push to make sure everything using /bin/sh was actually sh compliant and not using bash stuff |
| 02:21.15 | ArrowmasterClass | ok heading home |
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| 02:22.42 | Lunessa | Home, I want to go there. But must work for 2 more hours. /cry |
| 02:22.45 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, sweetie. *big hug* |
| 02:22.51 | Lopeppeppy | I'm soooo sorry, your schedule sucks. |
| 02:22.52 | frontendloader | odd |
| 02:24.28 | frontendloader | any idea how to print out the comparison that is throwing an error when I get "attempt to compare number with string"? |
| 02:24.48 | frontendloader | I should only be comparing numbers with numbers, I don't see how anything could be a string |
| 02:25.05 | Seerah | print(var1, var2) |
| 02:25.21 | Seerah | how are you getting your number? editbox? |
| 02:25.26 | frontendloader | I suppose the last one printed |
| 02:25.28 | frontendloader | should be the foul pair |
| 02:25.53 | Shadowed | lua> print(5 > "t") |
| 02:25.54 | lua_bot | Shadowed: luabot:1: attempt to compare string with number |
| 02:26.15 | frontendloader | it should be able to compare 5 > "6" |
| 02:26.16 | frontendloader | shouldn't it? |
| 02:26.19 | Seerah | lua> print(5 > "5") |
| 02:26.20 | lua_bot | Seerah: luabot:1: attempt to compare string with number |
| 02:26.29 | Shadowed | try print(type(var1), type(var2)) |
| 02:26.32 | Seerah | one is a number, one is a string. |
| 02:26.40 | Shadowed | weird I thought it casted to number in that case |
| 02:26.53 | Seerah | lua> print(5 > tonumber("5")) |
| 02:26.54 | lua_bot | Seerah: false |
| 02:27.03 | frontendloader | oh I thought it automatically typecast in that situation |
| 02:27.03 | alestane | frontendloader: implicit conversion from string to number is only done when you do math like addition. |
| 02:27.15 | alestane | lua> 5 + "3" |
| 02:27.15 | lua_bot | alestane: 8 |
| 02:27.21 | frontendloader | well then |
| 02:27.27 | Seerah | math is not comparison, though |
| 02:27.33 | Seerah | hence, your error :) |
| 02:27.56 | frontendloader | I thought I had actual strings in my comparisons |
| 02:27.59 | frontendloader | like "asdf" |
| 02:28.11 | frontendloader | hence my trepidation, something had gone seriously wrong |
| 02:28.12 | Shadowed | when in doubt, print till you solve! |
| 02:28.20 | frontendloader | exactly |
| 02:28.29 | Shadowed | actually in this case, print type till you solve |
| 02:28.35 | alestane | Equality/inequality comparisons can be done between different types (although they are always unequal) but transitive comparisons only apply to numbers or values with suitable metamethods. |
| 02:28.59 | alestane | lua> 5 == "5" |
| 02:29.03 | lua_bot | alestane: false |
| 02:29.42 | alestane | lua> 5 == tonumber "5" |
| 02:29.42 | lua_bot | alestane: true |
| 02:37.18 | Shirik | !ping |
| 02:37.18 | batbot | Shirik: pong! |
| 02:37.19 | EDI | pong |
| 02:38.34 | Shirik | nagios is smoking crack |
| 02:38.54 | Shirik | "WARNING - load average: 3.14, 5.87, 3.27" and I see <1 across the board |
| 02:39.34 | Corrodias | let's see, how does this work... |
| 02:39.41 | Corrodias | lua> print("5") |
| 02:39.42 | lua_bot | Corrodias: 5 |
| 02:39.49 | Corrodias | lua> print(5) |
| 02:39.49 | lua_bot | Corrodias: 5 |
| 02:40.00 | Corrodias | lua> 5 = 6; print(5) |
| 02:40.01 | lua_bot | Corrodias: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '5' |
| 02:40.51 | Corrodias | lua> 5 = 6 |
| 02:40.51 | lua_bot | Corrodias: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '5' |
| 02:40.56 | Corrodias | lua> _G[5] = 6 |
| 02:40.58 | lua_bot | Corrodias: No output |
| 02:41.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 5==6 |
| 02:41.04 | Corrodias | lua> _G[5] = 6; print(5); |
| 02:41.05 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: false |
| 02:41.09 | lua_bot | Corrodias: 5 |
| 02:41.33 | Seerah | Corrodias: a number isn't a var |
| 02:41.45 | Corrodias | lua> _G[5] = 6; print(5); |
| 02:41.46 | lua_bot | Corrodias: 5 |
| 02:41.52 | Corrodias | er, don't know how that got back in my buffer |
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| 02:42.10 | Corrodias | yeah yeah, don't contradict me or i'll set your 0 = infinity and then we'll see who laughs last. |
| 02:46.18 | Kraps | cant decide between Miranda or Tali |
| 02:47.15 | Lopeppeppy | Tangerine |
| 02:48.32 | Dagmar | I was mainly pissed they took away my little whore of a <spoiler omitted> |
| 02:49.15 | WobWork | en-noms upon a Bánh mì |
| 02:50.28 | Corrodias | be ready for the third game, then, Dagmar |
| 02:50.42 | Corrodias | who knows what the future may bring from the past into the present |
| 02:50.47 | Corrodias | into infinity and beyond |
| 02:51.01 | Dagmar | I'll probably still be crying out "FOR KELLY!" as I shoot those bastards in the face |
| 02:51.12 | Dagmar | It's not often you find a genuine space trollop! |
| 02:51.24 | WobWork | FOR PONY is much more exciting |
| 02:51.38 | Dagmar | yes, but it has the *entirely* wrong connotations right now |
| 02:52.09 | Corrodias | because you didn't get to ride her, right? |
| 02:52.19 | Dagmar | Nooo... |
| 02:52.36 | Dagmar | Once again, I suspect I hang out with a much more questionable class of people than most of you |
| 02:52.45 | Kraps | i dont get it, you can outright nauseatingly flirt with kelly, but it amounts to nothing? |
| 02:53.05 | Dagmar | She's goo now |
| 02:53.12 | Corrodias | sorry, i really have no idea where you're going with "right now" |
| 02:53.33 | Corrodias | how that makes equine references any more or less appropriate i cannot imagine. |
| 02:53.48 | Kraps | i'll leave before i get spoiler'd |
| 02:53.50 | Dagmar | Ask any of your gay male friends what "FOR PONY" might mean |
| 02:53.59 | Corrodias | i have none |
| 02:54.08 | Dagmar | Then you *really* don't want to know |
| 02:54.16 | Corrodias | well, i do have one acquaintance |
| 02:54.34 | Corrodias | oh yes, i'm scared of the gays and their terrible penises |
| 02:54.52 | Dagmar | No, it's their tassled buttplugs you should worry aboutl. |
| 02:55.03 | Corrodias | is that all? that's not even a gay thing. :( |
| 02:55.09 | Dagmar | The users of which are called "ponys" or "pony boy" |
| 02:55.13 | Dagmar | ...and they're ho's |
| 02:55.39 | Dagmar | Yeah well, I'm still not using "FOR PONY" as a battlecry, ever. |
| 02:55.39 | Dagmar | heh |
| 02:55.52 | Corrodias | so how does the person being unavailable give a fetish reference MORE connotations? |
| 02:56.15 | Corrodias | probably a good idea, nonetheless, yes |
| 02:56.18 | WobWork | cause they're offstage furiously connotating? |
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| 03:04.33 | WobWork | In other news, I have yet to find another series that does sci fi horror as good as Dr Who. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CFSyHBVxDQ |
| 03:04.36 | Lunessa | WobWork: I almost broke something laughing at that. |
| 03:04.45 | WobWork | Lunessa: ^^ |
| 03:06.16 | Lunessa | WobWork: I meant your earlier comment about connotating. |
| 03:06.36 | Lunessa | I liked that episode of Dr. Who. |
| 03:06.51 | WobWork | so creepy |
| 03:06.55 | WobWork | but yes =) |
| 03:07.00 | NightHawkTheSane | which ep? |
| 03:07.05 | WobWork | The Empty Child |
| 03:07.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ah ,yes :) |
| 03:07.34 | WobWork | I found a link to the ep cause I was looking up the Vile Fumigators Mask from the LISNA boss event |
| 03:07.41 | WobWork | PS, that mask is -awesome- |
| 03:07.49 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i think tekkub still wants one of those with a bear tail if you find one |
| 03:09.14 | Dagmar | I don't even want to know why |
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| 03:09.45 | Corrodias | interesting, WobWork |
| 03:09.51 | Corrodias | almost makes me want to watch the shoe |
| 03:09.53 | Corrodias | show |
| 03:09.56 | Corrodias | i have enough shoes |
| 03:10.01 | Corrodias | no need to watch anybody else's |
| 03:11.29 | Lunessa | Those episodes are 2-3 seasons back. |
| 03:12.05 | Dagmar | ...featuring Mr. Christopher "Lots of places have a North" Eccleston |
| 03:14.47 | Dagmar | I'm still on the fence about this new guy |
| 03:15.39 | NightHawkTheSane | we'll see.. |
| 03:16.08 | NightHawkTheSane | tennant's a hard act to follow |
| 03:17.08 | Dagmar | At least he had the taste to comment on the size of his own forehead when they introduced him |
| 03:17.21 | Dagmar | It *is* freakishly large heh |
| 03:18.43 | WobWork | sotrue |
| 03:18.48 | Arrowmaster | he still isnt ginger though |
| 03:18.56 | Dagmar | Yeah that's a british thing I still don't get |
| 03:19.08 | Arrowmaster | red head |
| 03:19.09 | Dagmar | I get the manchester thing |
| 03:19.21 | Dagmar | I don't get what's the deal with not wanting to be a redhead |
| 03:19.32 | Arrowmaster | he wants to be one |
| 03:19.45 | Dagmar | Quite the contrary I thought |
| 03:19.52 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0IVuGK7sAw |
| 03:19.58 | Arrowmaster | hes never been ginger so he want to try it |
| 03:20.57 | Dagmar | Pretty sure you have it backwards |
| 03:21.27 | Dagmar | There definitely seems to be an undercurrent in british culture that ginger-haired people are one step above being mental defectives |
| 03:21.48 | Arrowmaster | watch the end of season 1 and the christmas special following it |
| 03:22.01 | Dagmar | yeah he's thankful he's not ginger |
| 03:22.25 | Arrowmaster | dont make me pull them up, i have them all |
| 03:22.57 | Dagmar | http://doctorwhoblips.dailyradar.com/story/doctor-who-bbc-one-comment-about-ginger-hair-1-january/ |
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| 03:25.18 | Arrowmaster | got the end of 'the parting of ways (part 2)' playing right now |
| 03:26.55 | Dagmar | That being what it may, there's still a very bizarre bias in British society about ginger-haired people |
| 03:28.01 | Dagmar | It very much looked like the Doctor was saying "Well, I'm no looker but at least I'm not ginger-haired" to me and a whole buncha other people |
| 03:30.21 | AbsolutRayne | ZzZz |
| 03:30.26 | AbsolutRayne | Horrible, unplayable lag once again. |
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| 03:31.46 | Arrowmaster | "Am I, ginger?" "No your just sorta brown" "Ah I wanted to be ginger. I've never been ginger." |
| 03:31.55 | Arrowmaster | from Christmas Invasion |
| 03:32.11 | Arrowmaster | 40:15 |
| 03:32.15 | Arrowmaster | into it |
| 03:32.36 | Dagmar | Yes, and we were talking about the new guy |
| 03:32.40 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: ... how is that insulting? |
| 03:32.54 | Arrowmaster | thats not the line people thought was insulting |
| 03:33.03 | WobWork | oh |
| 03:33.13 | Dagmar | That was when he turned into Tennant |
| 03:33.18 | Dagmar | New doctor, new personality |
| 03:33.57 | WobWork | It's a very clever concept |
| 03:34.06 | Dagmar | You'll also find very little traction for this argument since my entire point is that I don't _get_ what the hell the british have about it |
| 03:34.21 | Arrowmaster | the end of time part two "And I'm still not ginger" |
| 03:34.36 | Arrowmaster | seriously how the fuck can anybody think this is insulting |
| 03:34.50 | Dagmar | It's like someone with red hair got caught shagging their own sister in a chapel or something once, and it's haunted the british ever since |
| 03:34.53 | Arrowmaster | thats the one that page Dagmar linked was referring to |
| 03:35.14 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: because just _calling_ someone "ginger" is a bit dodfy |
| 03:35.15 | Dagmar | er dodgy |
| 03:35.32 | Dagmar | "Redhead" fine. "Auburn" great. |
| 03:35.33 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i dont get it either but i know the doctor wants to be ginger |
| 03:35.39 | WobWork | Dagmar: see youtube I linked to Arrowmaster earlier |
| 03:35.41 | WobWork | =P |
| 03:35.45 | Dagmar | "Ginger", strictly dodgy |
| 03:36.03 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 03:36.06 | DWSR | Festergut's a DPS race. |
| 03:36.10 | DWSR | And I'm pulling threat as a DEMO LOCK |
| 03:36.14 | DWSR | And they're bitching at me. |
| 03:36.25 | Dagmar | Isn't it your job to die first as a warning to the other ranged DPS? |
| 03:36.36 | DWSR | The tank's job is to hold threat. |
| 03:36.44 | DWSR | It's a DPS race. |
| 03:36.52 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: how some free time/interest? |
| 03:36.53 | Dagmar | One YOU don't want to win unless you can tank |
| 03:36.53 | DWSR | Like...I don't even want to know what the fuck's going on if I were destro or demo. |
| 03:36.58 | Thunder_Child | s/how/have/ |
| 03:36.59 | frontendloader | is there a list of all the frame templates somewhere? |
| 03:38.02 | A-KO | what's the DK hit cap? |
| 03:38.04 | A-KO | anyone know? |
| 03:38.23 | WobWork | for two handed? |
| 03:38.25 | WobWork | 8% |
| 03:38.43 | WobWork | for spells... same as everyone else |
| 03:38.47 | Arrowmaster | WobWork: ok i paused it apparently right before he started getting into it so i could find the quotes |
| 03:38.53 | Arrowmaster | but rofl thats funny |
| 03:38.59 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: Tim is awesome =) |
| 03:39.17 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: go have a look at his other stuff. I like the fact that he's a -good- pianist |
| 03:41.46 | DWSR | A-KO: Same as everyone else. |
| 03:41.58 | DWSR | 8% for 2H, 17% for spells, 28% for DW. |
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| 03:44.22 | Thunder_Child | fail WobWork, just fail |
| 03:44.37 | WobWork | ? |
| 03:44.55 | Thunder_Child | your lack of network stability |
| 03:44.57 | WobWork | Interestingly enough, Dynamic Messenger just crashed Pidgin |
| 03:45.31 | Arrowmaster | gfire has this habit of constantly crashing pidgin for me |
| 03:45.57 | Arrowmaster | well not constantly, just when i try to send a message or receive one |
| 03:50.11 | Arrowmaster | ill need to leave at some point to go pickup bioshock2 |
| 03:50.32 | Arrowmaster | i highly doubt they will be open very long after midnight |
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| 03:53.07 | Arrowmaster | WobWork: rofl @ 'my neighbors ass' |
| 03:56.03 | Dagmar | see this is why you use Steam |
| 03:56.24 | Dagmar | When I get home at 1am, provided the newly fallen snow doesn't land me in a ditch, I'll already have it installed and ready to go. |
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| 03:57.05 | Arrowmaster | but i dont have a windows computer |
| 03:57.21 | Arrowmaster | and plus i get a record |
| 04:01.18 | Adys | http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/Texts-From-Best-Nights.html |
| 04:01.30 | Adys | FAIL at the first one's rating |
| 04:02.08 | WobWork | rofl |
| 04:03.17 | DWSR | lol |
| 04:03.26 | DWSR | please, someone screenshot. |
| 04:04.43 | Arrowmaster | "Sex on bubble wrap = best decision ever." |
| 04:04.53 | Arrowmaster | why is that one not on the top of the list |
| 04:04.58 | DWSR | http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-6899.html |
| 04:04.59 | DWSR | Amazing. |
| 04:05.14 | Adys | Arrowmaster: exactly |
| 04:05.16 | Adys | thats just wow |
| 04:06.39 | NeoTron | ah limited attempts i normal ICC - RIP |
| 04:06.56 | Adys | eh? |
| 04:08.05 | WobWork | They're removing the limit on normal |
| 04:08.29 | Adys | where did you read that? |
| 04:09.40 | Adys | http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-7673.html |
| 04:11.02 | Arrowmaster | http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-6805.html |
| 04:12.51 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 04:12.56 | Arrowmaster | http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-2252.html |
| 04:13.32 | Thunder_Child | heh "Thank God they found balloon boy, I was afraid that Michael Jackson was ordering take out from heaven." |
| 04:13.51 | WobWork | ~alert |
| 04:13.52 | purl | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
| 04:13.58 | WobWork | ~wowalert |
| 04:13.58 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 04:14.06 | kd3 | ~info alert |
| 04:14.16 | WobWork | hehe testing |
| 04:14.18 | kd3 | er |
| 04:15.12 | Adys | ~factinfo alert |
| 04:15.12 | purl | alert -- created by Sethus <scohn@scohn.clipper.net> at Sun Jun 4 23:56:43 2000 (3536 days); it has been requested 31 times, last by WobWork, 1m 20s ago. |
| 04:15.17 | Arrowmaster | "We just walked into this party and immediately got handed a grilled cheese sandwhich...." best party ever |
| 04:16.32 | Jerub | s/cheese/cheese and vegimite// |
| 04:17.35 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 04:18.26 | Arrowmaster | they should just use textsfromlastnight for teaching sobriety |
| 04:19.12 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=define:vegimite |
| 04:19.17 | Adys | i love that |
| 04:19.18 | Adys | rofl |
| 04:19.43 | WobWork | ahaha |
| 04:19.50 | Arrowmaster | ok im going to the store |
| 04:19.55 | Thunder_Child | "omg, he ripped it...he ripped my vagina...best. night. ever." wait...thats a /good/ night? |
| 04:20.29 | Jerub | lol uncyclopedia |
| 04:21.47 | WobWork | Adys: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/ |
| 04:21.51 | WobWork | 3rd down |
| 04:22.09 | Adys | kk |
| 04:22.25 | Adys | shouldve left the ones on sind/lk :/ |
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| 04:26.01 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Lost her virginity or should be taken figuretively? |
| 04:27.13 | Thunder_Child | oh...i guess it could be figuretively, though i was thinking literally and not in the virgin sense either |
| 04:27.15 | Lunessa | "Yeah, exponential power growth is just part of the design. It doesn't really bother us that the delta between character level and item level keeps growing. It might be a problem someday if it takes scientific notation to express how much Agility there is on your breastplate. " - Ghostcrawler |
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| 04:29.26 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 04:29.35 | DWSR | It doesn't bother then that item levels make sense up until you hit 60? |
| 04:29.36 | Lunessa | CMD-Q should not be applied liberally. |
| 04:29.47 | Shirik | h o t w i r e, hotwire dot com |
| 04:29.59 | Shirik | p.s. real people don't have a "cmd" button |
| 04:30.29 | Lunessa | PS, yes they do. |
| 04:30.34 | NightHawkTheSane | no, they have a "command" button |
| 04:30.46 | Jerub | which one is command? |
| 04:30.52 | NightHawkTheSane | the one that says command on it. |
| 04:30.52 | Jerub | I just have control, meta, super and hyper... |
| 04:31.32 | Adys | cmd is a mac key |
| 04:31.45 | Adys | hence the whole being called the "apple key" |
| 04:31.52 | Adys | since it has the apple logo on it. |
| 04:32.00 | NightHawkTheSane | had, im not sure if it still does |
| 04:32.06 | NightHawkTheSane | rather, my model of keyboard does not |
| 04:32.14 | NightHawkTheSane | im not sure if it was removd from all models |
| 04:32.19 | Lunessa | It doesn't on my model either. |
| 04:32.23 | alestane | OMG it's over. |
| 04:32.25 | Adys | mmh |
| 04:32.31 | alestane | I was just in Deadmines over two hours, I think. |
| 04:32.35 | Adys | i dunno i havent used a mac since first gen imacs :p |
| 04:32.54 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm actually out of here. |
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| 04:35.15 | Jerub | I think it took me 2 hours to get through SFK |
| 04:40.22 | WobWork | ugh |
| 04:40.24 | WobWork | reboot time |
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| 04:44.35 | anarchOi | Are there any experienced addon writers who could answer a few questions for me? |
| 04:45.09 | DWSR | not super experienced, but what's up? |
| 04:45.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ~asktoask |
| 04:45.28 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 04:45.30 | anarchOi | eh, well new to the world of Wow addons.. but i'm experienced in C |
| 04:45.38 | DWSR | Lua is very un-C-like |
| 04:45.46 | anarchOi | eh not really |
| 04:45.52 | anarchOi | like a mix of c with oop |
| 04:45.54 | anarchOi | but.. |
| 04:46.06 | DWSR | curly bracket language with line terminators vs. plain text with no line terminators. |
| 04:46.07 | DWSR | Anyway. |
| 04:46.21 | anarchOi | im trying to create an addon which basically just displays a square of a solid color depending on the situation, for instance, red if in combat |
| 04:46.32 | anarchOi | eh well |
| 04:46.39 | anarchOi | c, c++, c#, java |
| 04:46.41 | Shadowed | Easiest would be to create a frame with a solid backdrop, and use SetBackdropColor to change the color |
| 04:46.46 | anarchOi | done it all, all seems the same after a while |
| 04:46.48 | anarchOi | except for ASM |
| 04:47.13 | anarchOi | Shadowed, would that be done within the XML? |
| 04:47.19 | DWSR | no |
| 04:47.22 | Shadowed | You can do it through XML, but you can do it through Lua too |
| 04:47.23 | DWSR | Well, you *could* |
| 04:47.24 | DWSR | but don't |
| 04:47.36 | anarchOi | yeah, doesn't seem appropiate |
| 04:47.36 | Shadowed | It doesn't matter that much, use whatever's easiest |
| 04:47.56 | Shadowed | you wouldn't do the actual SetBackdropColor part in XML, even thought you could :p |
| 04:48.05 | anarchOi | lol |
| 04:48.11 | anarchOi | hmm |
| 04:48.39 | anarchOi | admittedly, the whole cooperation between the two is somewhat confusing.. |
| 04:49.36 | anarchOi | so.. the right track would be to write a function that invokes SetBackdropColor() ? |
| 04:49.49 | Shadowed | yes |
| 04:50.02 | anarchOi | how would i implement it? |
| 04:50.04 | Shadowed | What part of the corporation is confusing? |
| 04:50.14 | anarchOi | just MyFunction(); within the XML? |
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| 04:50.32 | Shadowed | Depends what event you want to respond to, it's probably easier if you just do it all in Lua honestly |
| 04:50.36 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:50.36 | anarchOi | well i said cooperation, but i meant more like "cohesion" |
| 04:50.43 | DWSR | You can use Lua to do everything that you want to do with XML/. |
| 04:50.53 | DWSR | To be honest, it's easier to just define everything in Lua. |
| 04:50.54 | anarchOi | that makes sense |
| 04:50.58 | DWSR | No big author uses the XML. |
| 04:51.03 | anarchOi | i mean u can do the same in java |
| 04:51.15 | Shadowed | There are times where you have to use XML depending on attributes or secure stuff DWSR |
| 04:51.19 | DWSR | well, that's not 100% true, but *shrug* |
| 04:51.24 | DWSR | Shadowed: yeah |
| 04:51.29 | Shadowed | it's just rare |
| 04:51.34 | anarchOi | so if wanted to dynamically change the color of the backdrop, how would i go about it? |
| 04:51.36 | DWSR | if you can avoid it you usually do |
| 04:51.42 | anarchOi | as in assign it to what i want |
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| 04:51.57 | Shadowed | Depends what you mean |
| 04:52.17 | anarchOi | k well, i have a frame on the screen at this point |
| 04:52.18 | Shadowed | You'd need to register an event, and respond to the event by calling SetBackdropColor(R, G, B) with RGB being 0 through 1 |
| 04:52.28 | anarchOi | i just need to set a solid colored backdrop to it |
| 04:53.11 | anarchOi | i only started with Lua today.. i'ma look at my code and try to narrow my question |
| 04:53.25 | WobWork | have you programmed much before? |
| 04:53.44 | anarchOi | yeah |
| 04:53.52 | anarchOi | i'm almost finished with an associates in programming |
| 04:54.11 | anarchOi | just gotta do all the remedial junk at this point... microsoft office classes X_X |
| 04:54.46 | anarchOi | but i programmed a lot before i started school for it.. |
| 04:55.13 | anarchOi | i just can't find a relation between this stuff and what i've done before |
| 04:55.40 | anarchOi | all of it makes sense as far as the code.. just how some things work are still confusing if u know what i mean.. no click yet |
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| 04:56.40 | anarchOi | so; would the code im looking for look something like this.. MainForm:SetBackDropColor(255, 255, 255); |
| 04:56.42 | anarchOi | ? |
| 04:56.58 | anarchOi | im unsure of how to address the frame i want to change the color of |
| 04:57.05 | DWSR | anarchOi: You can use self if you're referring to an event that's associated with the frame. |
| 04:57.32 | DWSR | if you're in a function that fires on an event in a frame* |
| 04:58.20 | anarchOi | is the frame the ultimate container? |
| 04:58.35 | Adys | Things that piss me off: |
| 04:58.45 | anarchOi | as in, if i just say Self:SetBackDropColor(255, 255, 255); |
| 04:58.47 | Adys | 1. Hardcoded subtitles in AVIs |
| 04:58.54 | anarchOi | will it change my gui window's backdrop to white? |
| 04:58.58 | Adys | 2. Hardcoded subtitles in AVIs WITH A RETARDED FONT LIKE COMIC SANS |
| 05:01.18 | anarchOi | i believe i understand the concept with Self, it's the same as This, right? well how does self know which frame's color i'd like to change? |
| 05:01.33 | anarchOi | i'm using AddonTemplate for the basics |
| 05:01.53 | WobWork | ~pil |
| 05:01.53 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 05:02.02 | WobWork | that's a good reference to read, anarchOi |
| 05:02.33 | anarchOi | regular implementations of lua use the whole XML file? |
| 05:02.41 | anarchOi | whole XML file deal* |
| 05:02.42 | DWSR | anarchOi: self is ~= this |
| 05:03.06 | DWSR | anarchOi: when you use self, you have to be in a function that's being called by a frame, else it doesn't really work. :P |
| 05:03.18 | anarchOi | hmm |
| 05:03.39 | anarchOi | so if it says Self and i call it within my frame, it'll assume the frame itself as the parent? |
| 05:06.05 | anarchOi | within the Handler function of the Addon template i'm using, it defines "gui" as AddonTemplate_MainForm:Show(); |
| 05:06.10 | anarchOi | for the slash command^ |
| 05:06.26 | anarchOi | the frame who's backdrop i'd like to change is that one.. |
| 05:06.41 | anarchOi | all of the script pertaining to it seems to be within the XML |
| 05:06.43 | anarchOi | so it's confusing |
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| 05:11.06 | Shirik | lol @ picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Laura_Chinchilla&direction=prev&oldid=342806482 |
| 05:11.57 | tem | that's some pretty epic vandalism there, Shirik |
| 05:12.14 | kd3 | har |
| 05:12.27 | Shirik | I also like the revert summary |
| 05:12.32 | Shirik | apparently it was necessary to specify: |
| 05:12.33 | Shirik | 18:35, 8 February 2010 AnOddName (talk | contribs) (6,856 bytes) (Undid revision 342806358 by 140.209.100.131 (talk) (she is not an actual chinchilla)) (undo) |
| 05:12.34 | WobWork | very cute vandalism |
| 05:13.19 | kd3 | so uh... alice in wonderland by tim burton |
| 05:13.22 | kd3 | ponders |
| 05:13.42 | WobWork | kd3: when's it out? |
| 05:13.45 | WobWork | I'd watch it |
| 05:13.52 | kd3 | dunno, I just saw an ad. didn't notice the date |
| 05:15.27 | kd3 | march 5 says enwiki |
| 05:15.33 | Thunder_Child | march 5th indeed |
| 05:19.27 | Jerub | is it possible to multibox on OSX? with two windows? |
| 05:19.37 | Shirik | who here is british english kinda person |
| 05:19.46 | Shirik | o.O kd3 just called it enwiki |
| 05:19.49 | Jerub | Shirik: most of us sane people. |
| 05:19.55 | WobWork | Shirik: I can fake it convincingly |
| 05:20.05 | Shirik | Is it correct in british english to say "trialled" instead of "tried" (as in "He was tried for murder") |
| 05:20.29 | kd3 | gasp? |
| 05:20.33 | Jerub | Shirik: uh, i would say 'tried' |
| 05:20.44 | WobWork | similiarly, but I've heard both... |
| 05:20.53 | Shirik | I just thought "enwiki" is a more internal name, kd3. Haven't really heard it outside of the wiki. |
| 05:21.11 | Shirik | ok I'll change it :P |
| 05:21.12 | Thunder_Child | there are other languages Shirik |
| 05:21.36 | Shirik | I know, which is why the people on the wiki call it enwiki (or eswiki or cwiki or whatever else) |
| 05:21.38 | kd3 | I've been part of too many discussions to not call it that, at least on irc |
| 05:21.42 | Shirik | but most other people seem to just call it "wikipedia" |
| 05:22.17 | WobWork | aha |
| 05:22.27 | WobWork | trialled is not used for the legal definition |
| 05:22.39 | WobWork | trialled means to take for a test run |
| 05:23.02 | WobWork | so yes, you are tried for murder, they try you for murder |
| 05:23.32 | WobWork | (US use "trialed" for the other definition) |
| 05:28.23 | Jerub | the one that comes to mind that people often get wrong is 'hung' / 'hanged' |
| 05:28.35 | Jerub | clothes are hung, innocent men get hanged. |
| 05:29.17 | WobWork | dead meat is hung, people are hanged =) |
| 05:30.04 | Arrowmaster | so i got back from the store a while ago, but ive been busy playing musical cars |
| 05:30.26 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: |
| 05:30.44 | DWSR | Err. |
| 05:30.53 | DWSR | Both of you are wrong, Jerub and Arrowmaster. |
| 05:31.05 | DWSR | People are hung. |
| 05:31.11 | Arrowmaster | how am i wrong? |
| 05:31.30 | DWSR | Hung is the correct conjugation of that verb in the context that you're talking about./ |
| 05:31.34 | DWSR | People do not get hanged. |
| 05:31.36 | Arrowmaster | i dont even know what the fuck you guys are talking about |
| 05:31.36 | DWSR | they get hung. |
| 05:31.40 | DWSR | err. |
| 05:31.41 | DWSR | Sorry. |
| 05:31.42 | Arrowmaster | i just got in |
| 05:31.43 | DWSR | >.< |
| 05:31.49 | DWSR | Yeah, I'm going crosseyed apparently. |
| 05:31.50 | DWSR | WobWork |
| 05:32.03 | Arrowmaster | like i said ive been fucking busy playing musical cars |
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| 05:33.12 | Arrowmaster | almost took out a mirror |
| 05:33.26 | WobWork | DWSR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanging#Grammar |
| 05:34.07 | DWSR | WobWork: Heh, I retract my earlier statement then |
| 05:34.20 | WobWork | It's an exception =) |
| 05:34.27 | WobWork | (yay English) |
| 05:35.05 | DWSR | indeed |
| 05:35.15 | DWSR | English has no rules, only exceptions |
| 05:39.12 | Shirik | ^ |
| 05:39.39 | Trela | I love the bottom there. "See also: Autoerotic asphyxiation" |
| 05:43.18 | Shirik | I'm sick of this crap "Oh it's not proper to say 'hung'" |
| 05:43.19 | Shirik | Well guess what |
| 05:43.27 | Shirik | HALF THE ENGLISH SPEAKING WORLD SAYS HUNG. |
| 05:43.37 | tekkub | who's hung? |
| 05:43.49 | Shirik | It's society that builds the language, not some people with books that somehow think they're better than others |
| 05:43.52 | NightHawkTheSane | apparentl shirik is hung? |
| 05:44.17 | tekkub | fuck those people... |
| 05:44.26 | tekkub | they say you can't define a word by using the word |
| 05:44.48 | tekkub | yet they can define words used in boks by using words in a book? |
| 05:44.52 | NightHawkTheSane | they say u cant say thngs like u or r, or ur, u no? |
| 05:44.53 | tekkub | *hypocrites* |
| 05:45.01 | NightHawkTheSane | feels really dirty now |
| 05:45.06 | NightHawkTheSane | needs to go shower. |
| 05:45.21 | Shirik | well that's a little different |
| 05:45.33 | Shirik | that is known as slang, quick typing, etc. |
| 05:45.41 | Shirik | However there are a lot of people that believe "hung" is proper |
| 05:45.45 | Dagmar | The people worrying about it do so because they aren't well enough. |
| 05:46.09 | tekkub | hung is proper |
| 05:46.12 | WobWork | Shirik: and that makes them right |
| 05:46.18 | tekkub | "Holy fuck, that tauren was hung" |
| 05:46.23 | WobWork | well, then we're going to hell in a handbasket |
| 05:46.30 | WobWork | tekkub: that is the correct use of 'hung' |
| 05:46.31 | Dagmar | No, that would be "was hanged" |
| 05:46.58 | Dagmar | The presence of "was" changes it to one of those fiddly verb forms with extra names. |
| 05:46.59 | WobWork | but it would be incorrect if you said "Holy fuck, that tauren was hung by the neck" |
| 05:47.07 | Dagmar | ~WobWork++ |
| 05:47.29 | Dagmar | There are ENTIRELY too many rules to it all |
| 05:47.33 | WobWork | Shirik: -everything- is slang |
| 05:47.45 | Dagmar | What happened in the past when you pushed hte doorbell... |
| 05:47.45 | WobWork | it's what you succumb to that makes English what it is |
| 05:47.46 | Shirik | you're slang |
| 05:47.54 | WobWork | your mom is slung |
| 05:47.55 | Dagmar | "The doorbell _______________" |
| 05:48.03 | WobWork | chimed? |
| 05:48.05 | Shirik | the doorbell hung? |
| 05:48.09 | Dagmar | The doorbell was rung. We rang the doorbell. |
| 05:48.11 | NightHawkTheSane | the doorbell raped my mob. |
| 05:48.13 | NightHawkTheSane | mom. |
| 05:48.16 | Dagmar | The man was hung. |
| 05:48.20 | WobWork | hardcore doorbell |
| 05:48.27 | Dagmar | The painting was hung in the hall, or hanging in the hall if it's still there. |
| 05:48.41 | Shirik | But see, the present tense is "ring" not "rang" |
| 05:48.54 | Shirik | But the present tence is "hang" not ... "hing" |
| 05:48.56 | WobWork | yes? |
| 05:49.02 | Dagmar | Rang is one of the past tenses. |
| 05:49.07 | Shirik | right |
| 05:49.15 | WobWork | why are you comparing them? |
| 05:49.20 | Shirik | but you conjugate from the infinitive, "to ring" "to hang" |
| 05:49.32 | WobWork | That's like saying multiple Moose are Meese |
| 05:49.36 | Shirik | they are |
| 05:49.40 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 05:50.03 | WobWork | and multiple Mongoose? |
| 05:50.14 | Dagmar | Mongooses. |
| 05:50.25 | Shirik | mongeese |
| 05:50.26 | Dagmar | Multiple of wife? |
| 05:50.30 | Shirik | ~x fr en mon geese |
| 05:50.30 | Jerub | DWSR: Man, i was afk for that, but I really enjoyed reading the backlog. |
| 05:50.33 | Dagmar | Not wifes... Awesome. |
| 05:50.36 | Shirik | ^ |
| 05:50.42 | Arrowmaster | bioshock2 collectors edition package is badass |
| 05:50.56 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: does it come with it's own body armour? |
| 05:51.06 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Comes with a novelty syringe of plasmids? |
| 05:51.10 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:51.16 | Dagmar | *real* plasmids?? |
| 05:51.44 | Arrowmaster | but the top of the box has this really unique texture to it, its like almost rubbery |
| 05:52.29 | Arrowmaster | and theres even a ribbon inside the box layered around stuff to help pull it out |
| 05:52.42 | Dagmar | Japanese box fetishism. |
| 05:53.32 | DWSR | the bioshock 2 Collector's Edition came with the soundtrack on vinyl, didn't it? |
| 05:53.41 | Dagmar | As much as I'd like to buy that in the store and fondle the hell out of it, I literally *just* threw out like 85 boxes |
| 05:53.50 | Dagmar | What? Vinyl? |
| 05:54.00 | Dagmar | Like, a 12" or just a 45? |
| 05:54.06 | DWSR | 12" |
| 05:54.12 | Arrowmaster | well i have one and you dont, so since i also just started tonights big bang theory, neiner neiner |
| 05:54.30 | Arrowmaster | yeah its a big vinal, same size as my NIN ghosts |
| 05:54.33 | Shirik | wtb more metal bands that can do this too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbQZkqzh9p8 |
| 05:55.02 | Dagmar | Damn that's actually pretty tempting |
| 05:55.28 | Arrowmaster | my NIN ghosts is only like number 1800 or so :( |
| 05:55.30 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: It's called a 12" |
| 05:55.37 | DWSR | Usually recorded at 33 1/3 RPM |
| 05:56.28 | Dagmar | says "orchestral score" tho |
| 05:56.33 | DWSR | mhm |
| 05:56.34 | DWSR | It is |
| 05:56.35 | Dagmar | Much less likely to be useful for me |
| 05:56.40 | DWSR | yes |
| 05:56.58 | Dagmar | I'd want to evoke memories of the game, for which I'm better off just pillaging the OST |
| 05:57.10 | Arrowmaster | it is the OST afaik |
| 05:57.14 | DWSR | It is the OST. |
| 05:57.26 | Dagmar | s/OST/songs played in the game/; |
| 05:57.39 | DWSR | It is. |
| 05:57.44 | DWSR | Bioshock's all orchestral. |
| 05:57.53 | Dagmar | I could swear there was singing involved |
| 05:58.37 | DWSR | Dagmar: *shrug* |
| 05:58.54 | Dagmar | Sound like Lawrence Welk type stuff to me. |
| 05:59.18 | Kraps | i finished ME2 |
| 05:59.20 | DWSR | Dagmar: I haven't actually played the game. |
| 05:59.24 | Dagmar | ...and I don't care what fancy name you give it. If there's less than 30 of you, you're a large band--not an orchestra |
| 05:59.25 | DWSR | Dagmar: But I thought that it *was* the OST. |
| 05:59.28 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 05:59.29 | DWSR | Kraps: And? |
| 05:59.34 | DWSR | How'd you do in the suicide mission? |
| 05:59.52 | Dagmar | dwsr: Wouldn't be the first time no part of an "OST" was actually featured in the game it was for |
| 06:00.10 | Dagmar | Kraps: Lemme guess, you lost the door opener |
| 06:00.27 | Kraps | DWSR: very well, i sent Legion to a predictable death |
| 06:00.42 | DWSR | Kraps: Really? |
| 06:00.49 | Kraps | Dagmar: door opener? |
| 06:01.08 | Dagmar | Kraps: I sent lizard boy to open the door, and he took one in the face while we were trying to force it back closed. |
| 06:01.17 | Dagmar | Obviously I didn't pick someone strong enough |
| 06:01.29 | DWSR | Kraps: How'd you kill Legion? |
| 06:01.49 | Dagmar | Sent him to escort people back to your ship did you? |
| 06:01.50 | Kraps | the guy you send through the duct sdies no? |
| 06:01.53 | DWSR | no |
| 06:01.57 | Dagmar | Kraps: perhaps not |
| 06:01.58 | DWSR | Only if he's not a certain class. |
| 06:01.58 | Kraps | hmm |
| 06:02.05 | DWSR | There is a way to get everyone through the mission alive. |
| 06:02.09 | Kraps | no one else died |
| 06:02.25 | DWSR | Kraps: Yes. |
| 06:02.32 | DWSR | If you pick a pure biotic for the second portion, no one dies. |
| 06:02.37 | Dagmar | There's an achievement if _everyone_ survives the suicide mission, which makes me think someone could either have the strenght to get the door closed faster, the ability to take a bullet in the face and live, or possibly just the good sense to keep his damn head down |
| 06:02.44 | DWSR | If you pick a hybrid, one of your teammembers dies. |
| 06:03.13 | Kraps | i had garrus lead the first team |
| 06:03.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: yeah. |
| 06:03.21 | DWSR | Everyone will live if you do that. |
| 06:03.28 | Kraps | and i think jack for the second |
| 06:03.35 | Dagmar | I picked the crazy asari |
| 06:03.36 | DWSR | Someone dies then. |
| 06:03.54 | Kraps | samara for the biotic shield |
| 06:04.06 | DWSR | Yeah, everyone lives then |
| 06:04.06 | Dagmar | I'm probably the only person who noticed she had a quick breast reduction at some point |
| 06:04.13 | DWSR | Dagmar: No, you didn't. |
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| 06:04.20 | DWSR | s/didn't/aren't/ |
| 06:04.26 | Dagmar | DWSR: OKay |
| 06:04.39 | DWSR | I noticed it too. |
| 06:04.43 | Kraps | joker = win btw |
| 06:04.44 | Dagmar | It caught my attention because the first time you see her she's just got cartoonishly large breasts. |
| 06:04.58 | DWSR | Dagmar: I'm convinced it's the light in Illium. |
| 06:05.01 | Dagmar | Then later, they're clearly "medically enhanced" but a less overbalancing size |
| 06:05.11 | Dagmar | I was like, where'd they go |
| 06:05.40 | Dagmar | Kraps: "I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees." |
| 06:05.46 | Kraps | ^ |
| 06:05.48 | Kraps | i loled |
| 06:06.02 | Dagmar | Hehe same here |
| 06:06.06 | DWSR | what was that part? |
| 06:06.10 | DWSR | When* was that part? |
| 06:06.11 | Dagmar | ...although at first I thought "Oh crap. Virus." |
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| 06:06.24 | Dagmar | DWSR: In the middle of the Gimp Run |
| 06:06.32 | DWSR | Oh |
| 06:06.42 | DWSR | I didn't notice that, but I played the last part of the game at like 2-4am |
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| 06:07.04 | Dagmar | When you were probably going "Oh awesome. I have to flee around the ship from a bunch of face-biting aliens, using the _slowest character on board_" |
| 06:07.13 | DWSR | pretty much |
| 06:07.27 | Dagmar | You can barely tell you hit the spacebar to make him hurry |
| 06:07.30 | DWSR | Though, somehow he manages to move through those emergency hatches really fast. |
| 06:07.32 | Arrowmaster | fuck yes! fox zing in big bang theory for canceling firefly! |
| 06:08.03 | Trela | Arrowmaster: What did you just say? |
| 06:08.24 | Dagmar | Trela: Something dozens of other shows already did |
| 06:08.24 | Kraps | also, boo for tame sex |
| 06:08.25 | Trela | tries to run EXPLAIN SELECT sense FROM Arrowmaster. :( |
| 06:08.26 | Dagmar | Sadly |
| 06:08.33 | DWSR | Trela: The Big Bang just insulted Fox for canceling Firefly. |
| 06:08.40 | Kraps | not even sideboob? |
| 06:08.44 | Trela | DWSR: OH! |
| 06:08.52 | Arrowmaster | "Rupert Murdoc?" "He owns FOX and they canceled Firefly" |
| 06:08.53 | Dagmar | Kraps: I still think a class action suit for misrepresentation against Jack Thompson is still not out of the question |
| 06:09.03 | Dagmar | I was promised simulations of forced alien sodomy |
| 06:09.17 | DWSR | Kraps: You picked Miranda? |
| 06:09.29 | Kraps | DWSR: yeah |
| 06:09.32 | Dagmar | More like she picks you |
| 06:09.38 | DWSR | I'm thoroughly convinced that Shepard is gay, btw. |
| 06:09.43 | Kraps | seemed kind of sudden though |
| 06:09.52 | Dagmar | She's pretty repressed |
| 06:09.55 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 06:10.00 | DWSR | You make her feel special. |
| 06:10.04 | DWSR | So she makes you feel special. |
| 06:10.10 | DWSR | Pretty simple equation, imo. |
| 06:10.22 | DWSR | Though, the fucking engine room? really? |
| 06:10.23 | Dagmar | I dunno man. On the floor of Engineering made me feel kinda sleazy |
| 06:10.27 | DWSR | yeah |
| 06:10.38 | DWSR | She planned it that way too |
| 06:10.45 | DWSR | Unlike Tali, who definitely hits you up in your cabin |
| 06:10.54 | DWSR | And Jack just decides that you need to be black and blue. |
| 06:10.57 | Dagmar | I am definitely tmpted o go back and shun her just to see what Jack might come up with |
| 06:11.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: Jack's sence's kinda :\ |
| 06:11.22 | DWSR | More passionate, I think. |
| 06:11.29 | DWSR | Miranda's is slutty. |
| 06:11.36 | DWSR | Jack's is passionate, darkly so. |
| 06:11.43 | DWSR | And Tali's is cautious. |
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| 06:12.05 | Dagmar | Dude why do I get the feeling you saved and did a lot of reloading |
| 06:12.12 | DWSR | Dagmar: Youtube. |
| 06:12.16 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 06:12.22 | Dagmar | Okay. That worries me much less. |
| 06:12.28 | DWSR | I'm on my second playthrough now, though |
| 06:12.32 | DWSR | I'm about 10 hours into it, and yeah. |
| 06:12.41 | DWSR | Picking Miranda this time. |
| 06:12.47 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5465742/bioware-responds-to-self+censorship-charge-on-mass-effect-2-sex |
| 06:12.47 | DWSR | And wow, squad ammo is super overpowered. |
| 06:12.54 | Dagmar | I'd have skipped it if I could |
| 06:13.06 | DWSR | My Shepard's the default one. |
| 06:13.11 | DWSR | And yeah, I have the sqaud ammo powers. |
| 06:13.14 | DWSR | Pretty amazing, tbh. |
| 06:13.24 | Dagmar | Wow. |
| 06:13.37 | Dagmar | If you have a Verizon phone, allow me to suggesy you maybe turn off picture mail for awhile |
| 06:13.41 | Dagmar | er suggest |
| 06:13.43 | Shirik | I think mirc doesn't know how to handle 23 channels at once |
| 06:14.42 | DWSR | Shirik: Yes it does. |
| 06:15.11 | Shirik | no it does not! |
| 06:15.31 | DWSR | Kraps: Bullshit that it's not self-censorship. |
| 06:15.32 | Arrowmaster | did a bioware dev basically just call EA/EA lawyers 'Bunky the Wonder Clown'? |
| 06:15.45 | Kraps | DWSR: agree |
| 06:15.50 | DWSR | Kraps: I don't know if you noticed, but there was 1000x more expletives in ME2. |
| 06:16.06 | DWSR | They say, bastard, shit, fuck, like at least once a minute. |
| 06:16.07 | Kraps | joker does it best |
| 06:16.09 | DWSR | ME2 had NONE. |
| 06:16.15 | DWSR | Kraps: Of course he does. He's Seth Green. |
| 06:16.27 | DWSR | s/ME2/ME1/ |
| 06:16.33 | DWSR | Seriously. |
| 06:16.55 | DWSR | Complete bullshit that it's not self-censorship. |
| 06:17.06 | DWSR | I'm really disappointed that they didn't include a sex-scene of a similar calibre. |
| 06:17.07 | Dagmar | I have the feeling if anyone cared they could mod out that bra |
| 06:17.09 | Dagmar | but we have the internet |
| 06:17.13 | Dagmar | With actual porn on it |
| 06:17.32 | DWSR | Dagmar: It's not really whether or not there was actual porn. |
| 06:17.44 | DWSR | More the fact that "You guys WERE willing to do this. What the fuck?" |
| 06:18.07 | DWSR | Obviously, EA is fucking around with BioWare again |
| 06:18.22 | WobWork | reminds me of http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html |
| 06:18.40 | Kraps | lol, everyone in the comments on kotaku told the illusive man to fuck off |
| 06:18.52 | Kraps | i did too |
| 06:19.55 | DWSR | Kraps: Read the 5th comment down. |
| 06:20.29 | Kraps | about DA:O? |
| 06:20.35 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 06:21.11 | Kraps | "but I hope at least internally they know they're being little bitches sacrificing the truth of their characters' lives in those intimate moments as a concession to popular misgivings about sex and nudity. " |
| 06:22.07 | WobWork | actually, in reality |
| 06:22.13 | WobWork | if they did FMV of the sex scenes |
| 06:22.47 | WobWork | they'd have complaints about realism =P |
| 06:22.47 | WobWork | and they'd have to model all the body parts |
| 06:22.47 | DWSR | lolz |
| 06:22.49 | DWSR | You can fuck Kelly Chambers in ME2? |
| 06:22.51 | DWSR | Really? |
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| 06:23.15 | Kraps | after the end i think |
| 06:24.18 | DWSR | Ah, yeah. |
| 06:24.20 | DWSR | You can. |
| 06:24.22 | Corrodias | i don't recall whether there's any intimacy. let's see... |
| 06:24.23 | DWSR | There's no actual scene. |
| 06:24.27 | DWSR | No, there isn't. |
| 06:24.32 | DWSR | She just wall dances for you |
| 06:24.34 | DWSR | Fail |
| 06:24.47 | Corrodias | http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Kelly_Chambers |
| 06:24.52 | Corrodias | she also feeds your fish |
| 06:24.57 | Corrodias | so, that's something. |
| 06:25.23 | Kraps | lol |
| 06:25.30 | Corrodias | spoilers on there, btw |
| 06:27.10 | DWSR | yep |
| 06:27.57 | Kraps | apparently there angry-jack sex and heartfelt-jack sex |
| 06:28.15 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5466357/the-emotion-and-humor-of-mass-effect-2s-romantic-interludes |
| 06:28.31 | Arrowmaster | "and desires to hug and comfort Garrus" lol |
| 06:29.01 | Kraps | garrus is teh awesome |
| 06:29.46 | DWSR | Kraps: That Safe Sex video is pretty funny. |
| 06:29.47 | DWSR | I saw that. |
| 06:29.56 | DWSR | when I was in the romance with Tali |
| 06:31.26 | DWSR | Oh, you can fuck Morinth? |
| 06:31.34 | DWSR | Wait. |
| 06:31.39 | DWSR | YOU CAN RECRUIT MORINTH? |
| 06:31.42 | Corrodias | i am likely to play the games a couple of times, but i'm glad the internet is here so i can see videos of content i miss |
| 06:32.19 | Corrodias | and/or explanations |
| 06:33.12 | DWSR | YOU CAN RECRUIT MORINTH? |
| 06:33.29 | Corrodias | i'm not sure who that is, but the name sounds familiar. i think so. |
| 06:33.40 | Shirik | sighs |
| 06:33.54 | Shirik | A sign your regular expressions are getting too complex: Compilation failed: unmatched parentheses at offset 593 |
| 06:33.54 | Thunder_Child | DWSR: calm down |
| 06:34.00 | DWSR | Corrodias: It's Samara's kid. |
| 06:34.07 | DWSR | Shirik: 593? wtf? |
| 06:34.23 | Corrodias | i'm not sure who that is either, but i do recognize the relationship, and yes you can. |
| 06:34.32 | Corrodias | the wiki will tell you how, if you want to look |
| 06:34.37 | Shirik | DWSR: Basically, this regular expression is trying to track down someone that basically is insane |
| 06:34.48 | DWSR | Corrodias: Do you have the game? |
| 06:34.51 | Shirik | The regular expression is about as random as his head |
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| 06:36.12 | Shirik | DWSR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bubby_Williams |
| 06:36.20 | Shirik | those are the things I'm trying to match |
| 06:36.31 | Shirik | well actually that's only half |
| 06:36.33 | Corrodias | i don't yet. i'm replaying ME1 right now to remind me of what the fuck happens |
| 06:36.34 | Shirik | the other half was blocked |
| 06:37.01 | Corrodias | i may not feel like playing ME2 right away afterward, so i'm leaving myself open to wait for a sale. |
| 06:37.34 | DWSR | Corrodias: Ah. |
| 06:37.38 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 06:37.39 | DWSR | Anyway. |
| 06:37.52 | DWSR | That's really cool. |
| 06:37.57 | DWSR | I didn't know that you could use Morinth instead of Samara |
| 06:38.04 | DWSR | I'll have to do that next time around |
| 06:39.06 | DWSR | Corrodias: If you want me to stop with the spoilers, say so. As you were linking spoilers earlier, I'm assuming you don't care. |
| 06:40.41 | Corrodias | i do care, but there are a few plot points i cannot help but pick up as i go about my business |
| 06:41.42 | Corrodias | so, as long as you don't get too specific about things, i can be content |
| 06:42.01 | DWSR | Heh, what I've spoiled isn't really a major plot point anyway. |
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| 06:49.19 | Corrodias | tweets about his drivers, now that he's a twit. |
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| 06:50.28 | Adys | you mean a twat |
| 06:50.32 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 06:50.33 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 06:50.52 | Corrodias | possibly. i'm thinking of using twat as the past tense of tweet. |
| 06:51.13 | Corrodias | i have now twat about stuff. |
| 06:52.01 | Adys | shouldn't it be more something along the lines of |
| 06:52.07 | Adys | "Having twatten about .." |
| 06:55.46 | Corrodias | i'll have a thousand loyal followers before you know it |
| 06:55.58 | Corrodias | although actually i joined so i could communicate with this guy who basically isn't available any other way |
| 06:58.52 | DWSR | nn |
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| 07:08.49 | WobWork | Corrodias: what's your twittername? |
| 07:09.38 | WobWork | oh there you are |
| 07:10.05 | Corrodias | i am well hidden |
| 07:10.14 | Corrodias | nobody will recognize me |
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| 07:17.45 | jnwhiteh | So |
| 07:17.57 | jnwhiteh | do I order an engraved Nexus One and have it shipped to the US and someone brings it to me in two weeks |
| 07:18.10 | jnwhiteh | or do I order it directly to my flat and pay the little bit extra that VAT amounts for. |
| 07:18.19 | jnwhiteh | its about a $70 difference |
| 07:18.32 | jnwhiteh | and having the phone soon, versus possibly in two weeks |
| 07:18.38 | krka | i'm waiting for the nexus 3.11, only suckers going for the first version! |
| 07:18.54 | jnwhiteh | the hardware is fine, and software already is on next version =) |
| 07:19.21 | Arrowmaster | im split between nexus one and n900 |
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| 07:20.28 | jnwhiteh | I'm not, I'm solidly in the Android camp at the moment. |
| 07:20.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm waiting for a job.. |
| 07:20.35 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 07:20.38 | NightHawkTheSane | then i'll get a nexus one.. |
| 07:23.10 | bluspacecow | hey guys did they change the /dump command ? |
| 07:23.14 | bluspacecow | cause im trying |
| 07:23.29 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.45 | bluspacecow | oh wait |
| 07:23.46 | Kemayo | I want to buy an iphone/ipodtouch/android... but I'm fully aware of how little I use phones, really. So I stick with my $10 prepaid phone. |
| 07:23.49 | bluspacecow | yes it is :) |
| 07:24.18 | bluspacecow | nvm guys just had to /rl |
| 07:24.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i was surprised at how much i actually use my phone |
| 07:24.29 | NightHawkTheSane | like, the full features of it. |
| 07:28.31 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:28.35 | Fisker | slap camp |
| 07:28.46 | jnwhiteh | I love it when you slap me with your large floppy trout. |
| 07:28.48 | jnwhiteh | licks hisl ips |
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| 07:29.50 | Shirik | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large jnwhiteh |
| 07:30.28 | jnwhiteh | licks his lips |
| 07:32.45 | Fisker | cries |
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| 07:46.50 | Adys | I have come to the conclusion that google holds the answer |
| 07:47.19 | Adys | I should make a bot that answers every question with a snippet of the first result of a google query containing that question |
| 07:48.41 | tekkub | !googbot How do I get this object out of my anus |
| 07:48.47 | Thrae | "First God created Man in His own image. Then God created Woman from Man. Then God created Google, and they never saw God again." |
| 07:49.13 | tekkub | My anus is bleeding from a foreign object. Too embarrassed to go ... |
| 07:49.13 | tekkub | Feb 9, 2009 ... I have stuck a foreign object in my anus and it started bleeding .... you are worrid enough to ask, you probably should geet it checked out. ... |
| 07:49.15 | tekkub | www.dearcupid.org/.../my-anus-is-bleeding-from-as-foreighn-object.html - |
| 07:49.28 | tekkub | hrm, that certainly didn't answer the question |
| 07:49.43 | Gnarfoz | reminds me of dildo-escapes.gif |
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| 07:54.39 | Wobin | http://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/spirit_rewrite_unknown_author.png |
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| 08:01.15 | batrick | haha that's great |
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| 08:06.58 | tekkub | I think that's better than the original comic |
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| 08:16.12 | batrick | you only think so after having seen the first one :P |
| 08:16.20 | batrick | i think by itself it's not that good |
| 08:18.35 | batrick | any beer experts here? |
| 08:18.57 | batrick | curious where 8% alc/vol ranks |
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| 08:20.34 | Elkano | I think 8% would be high for beer |
| 08:20.46 | Wobin | http://www.realbeer.com/edu/health/calories.php |
| 08:21.20 | Wobin | http://www.theraven.com/beer.html |
| 08:21.41 | Wobin | 8 is pretty hight |
| 08:22.53 | batrick | aye |
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| 08:23.47 | batrick | my beer isn't listed there but it's way above average apparently |
| 08:23.47 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 08:23.51 | batrick | thanks |
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| 08:25.50 | Fisker | batrick's in the air |
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| 08:46.12 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.15 | Wobin | no restart this week? |
| 08:47.15 | Jerub | winner. |
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| 09:06.37 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1597 |
| 09:10.05 | frontendloader | attempt to index global 'fraem' (a nil value) |
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| 09:16.13 | mitch0 | typo-matic |
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| 09:55.07 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/02/amazing-butterfly-closeup-video/ |
| 09:55.19 | Adys | poor quality ftl =( but good vid |
| 09:56.01 | Kaso | <3 derren brown, shame he rarely posts on his website |
| 09:56.36 | Adys | I'm hoping to see enigma pop out on tv/dvd soon |
| 09:56.44 | Adys | its been 6 months now =[ |
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| 10:07.37 | Fisker | i troll u Adys |
| 10:08.45 | Adys | not really |
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| 10:10.50 | Adys | Hey look who's here |
| 10:11.01 | Adys | what was his name again? I forgot |
| 10:11.07 | Adys | was it Mr. NoQuoteUpdate? |
| 10:11.25 | Adys | looks at Teomyr |
| 10:12.01 | MrNoQuoteUpdate | yes, why? |
| 10:12.27 | Adys | figures |
| 10:16.10 | frontendloader | if I'm using aceaddon modules when I declare a function in my module as a local I can still call it via |
| 10:16.26 | frontendloader | MyAddon.modules.MyModule:function() correct? |
| 10:16.34 | frontendloader | from /script or wherever |
| 10:17.13 | frontendloader | nevermind |
| 10:17.36 | frontendloader | not thinking clearly |
| 10:23.22 | Fisker | btw nicoli_s |
| 10:23.24 | Fisker | or ckknight |
| 10:23.25 | Fisker | http://forums.battle.net/index.html?sid=5010 |
| 10:23.38 | Fisker | StarCraft II Beta - English (EU) |
| 10:36.41 | Adys | ~ping |
| 10:36.42 | purl | ~pong |
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| 10:44.09 | haste | the fuck |
| 10:44.11 | haste | I have SC? |
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| 11:10.18 | Fisker | no haste |
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| 11:23.52 | bleeter | Cairenn|afk: oh, you had? hmmm, privmsg me. my brain's a blank. |
| 11:26.19 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6K8yfQYOTQ&feature=related |
| 11:27.31 | bleeter | Fisker: ASL? |
| 11:28.24 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlLpCh-lE54 |
| 11:31.09 | Fisker | bleeter |
| 11:31.10 | Fisker | sc2? |
| 11:41.16 | bleeter | Fisker: NSFW http://www.darkhound.org/gallery/albums/rotflmao/moobs6.jpg |
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| 11:45.16 | Fisker | lol |
| 11:45.25 | Fisker | someone rolled disenchant on a boe epic |
| 11:45.27 | Fisker | and won |
| 11:45.33 | Fisker | it's worth ~1500-2000g |
| 11:49.09 | bleeter | i bet they have moobs like that pic |
| 11:53.14 | A-KO | typically the people with moobs know better |
| 11:53.22 | A-KO | and god damn that's a serious set of moobs |
| 11:59.37 | bleeter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OET8SVAGELA |
| 11:59.45 | bleeter | totally SFW |
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| 12:40.10 | bleeter | Fisker: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-4-2010/the-dick-swett-incident |
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| 12:48.42 | A-KO | wow |
| 12:48.46 | A-KO | the dude's parents....wow... |
| 12:48.54 | A-KO | named him Dick Swett....really? |
| 12:48.55 | A-KO | lol |
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| 12:57.35 | bleeter | as led zep sang |
| 12:57.40 | bleeter | ooohhh and it makes me wonder |
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| 13:03.05 | Wobin | ahaha |
| 13:03.11 | Wobin | made the Turbo Charged Flying Machine |
| 13:03.15 | Wobin | with 15 seconds to spare |
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| 13:06.45 | olafski | uh.. yay =) |
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| 13:15.49 | Kalroth | top of the morning Cairenn! |
| 13:15.55 | Cairenn | hey Kalroth |
| 13:16.22 | Cairenn | how goes? |
| 13:21.53 | Adys | Kalroth: <3<33<3<3<3<3<3<3 |
| 13:22.00 | Adys | You're so inferior to threee |
| 13:22.01 | Adys | -e |
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| 13:23.52 | Wobin | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/022010/small_wood%20illusion.jpg |
| 13:25.20 | Wobin | also http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/022010/seth_macfarlane_formula.jpg |
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| 13:36.00 | mikma | wobin: funny fact, i'm watching family guy right now ^^ |
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| 13:52.31 | Cairenn | morning Lopeppeppy |
| 13:52.42 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Cairenn. |
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| 14:16.29 | Kraps | morning |
| 14:19.48 | Cairenn | hi Kraps |
| 14:21.57 | alestane | hi Cairenn |
| 14:22.03 | Cairenn | morning alestane |
| 14:22.12 | alestane | It is that. |
| 14:23.38 | Cairenn | yep |
| 14:23.48 | alestane | How long have you been up? |
| 14:24.06 | Cairenn | about an hour and a half or so |
| 14:24.24 | alestane | You mean you're actually on something resembling a diurnal schedule? |
| 14:25.02 | Cairenn | I mean I've got construction workers giving me a blinding headache for day 2 |
| 14:25.16 | alestane | Ugh. |
| 14:25.27 | Cairenn | meh, it'll be nice when they're done |
| 14:25.33 | alestane | New kitchen? |
| 14:25.38 | Cairenn | replacing the flooring in the front hall and kitchen |
| 14:25.59 | Cairenn | waves bye to 20 year old cushion floor and hello to pretty new tiles |
| 14:26.12 | alestane | "cushion" floor? |
| 14:26.20 | Lopeppeppy | Long overdue update, you deserve it. |
| 14:26.29 | Cairenn | you don't know what cushion floor is? |
| 14:26.29 | Lopeppeppy | Rum helps many headaches, when it doesn't cause more! |
| 14:26.35 | alestane | Not by that name. |
| 14:26.36 | Cairenn | blinks at alestane |
| 14:27.02 | alestane | I may have encountered it before. |
| 14:27.08 | Cairenn | um, yeah |
| 14:27.14 | Cairenn | vinyl flooring |
| 14:27.49 | alestane | Like linoleum? |
| 14:27.56 | Cairenn | exactly like |
| 14:28.00 | Cairenn | same thing |
| 14:28.34 | alestane | Okay, I've never heard it called that before, but yeah, that's what my parents have in their kitchen. |
| 14:29.09 | Cairenn | all the flooring in the house is the original stuff that was put down when the house was built |
| 14:29.44 | alestane | Did you have the house built, or buy it from another owner? |
| 14:29.44 | Cairenn | (and the usual initial construction quality, at that) |
| 14:29.50 | Cairenn | I'm renting |
| 14:29.56 | alestane | Ah. |
| 14:30.57 | Cairenn | but yeah, it all should have been replaced like 8-10 years ago |
| 14:31.19 | Wobin | I've never heard of it called that before, either =) |
| 14:31.38 | Cairenn | cushion floor, linoleum, vinyl, whatever |
| 14:31.42 | Cairenn | same thing, different names |
| 14:32.07 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 15:10.08 | Kraps | steam has my ME2 playtime as 27 hours |
| 15:14.32 | Cruciformer | could someone with curse-fu please approve the file for project ksk? Its been 6 hours and the version thats up there has a nasty bug. |
| 15:16.11 | nevcairiel | done |
| 15:16.20 | Cruciformer | thank you kindly nevcairiel |
| 15:20.05 | cbreak | is SVG the best vector format for embeding into HTML web pages? |
| 15:23.06 | ckknight | cbreak: IE doesn't support it |
| 15:23.22 | cbreak | not even with plugins? |
| 15:23.31 | ckknight | probably with plugins. |
| 15:23.49 | cbreak | hmm, there probably aren't many people who use IE6 anymore who would understand the content of the page I want to make anyway |
| 15:23.53 | Lopeppeppy | If your audience doesn't have the plugins, can they *view* the content? |
| 15:24.12 | Lopeppeppy | Dude, abandon IE6 like rats on a sinking ship. :) It's hard enough to program for both 7 and 8, without supporting 6 too. |
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| 15:24.16 | ckknight | cbreak: I didn't say IE6, I said IE |
| 15:24.32 | cbreak | not even IE8? |
| 15:24.34 | cbreak | lame |
| 15:24.39 | ckknight | google is stopping support of IE6, use that as an excuse to jump ship off that. |
| 15:24.45 | cbreak | ah well, 3 out of 4 browsers is ok I guess |
| 15:24.49 | olafski | cruciformer: if you use one of the repositories on curse, your files will get approved automatically ;) |
| 15:25.05 | cbreak | just tested, both firefox and safari render svg |
| 15:25.26 | Lopeppeppy | If your target audience doesn't use IE, you're all set. |
| 15:27.49 | Audible | if the visitors use IE, you dont want a visit from them |
| 15:28.23 | Wobin | http://www.newscientist.com/articlevideo/dn18497/64664557001-software-photodoctor-fixes-up-bad-photos.html |
| 15:28.25 | Wobin | interesting |
| 15:30.20 | alestane | Webkit and Gecko both support SVG, but their handling of corner cases is somewhat divergent, and Webkit does bizarre things with it if you zoom in or out on the page. |
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| 15:33.19 | haste | Wobin: so much flash on one page |
| 15:33.38 | Wobin | haste, that's what noflash is for |
| 15:33.40 | olafski | heh just got 98 lovely charms for one quest :> |
| 15:33.42 | Wobin | and noscript |
| 15:34.02 | Wobin | olafski, just farm them in ulduar, like everyone else =P |
| 15:34.15 | olafski | ah that works too |
| 15:34.24 | olafski | not like I need any though |
| 15:34.29 | olafski | did all the achievements last year |
| 15:34.32 | haste | Wobin: I use flashblock ofc |
| 15:34.51 | haste | Wobin: and YesScript! |
| 15:35.00 | haste | 'cause I'm not that paranoid about javascript under linux |
| 15:35.26 | olafski | I don't use either.. I prefer to see webpages the way they were intended |
| 15:35.29 | olafski | minus ads |
| 15:36.30 | Wobin | I have flashblock, cause I've been to sites that chew up so much cpu |
| 15:36.36 | haste | I don't mind ads |
| 15:36.40 | Wobin | pages load faster |
| 15:36.40 | haste | I just mind CPU hogging ads |
| 15:36.42 | haste | aka flash |
| 15:36.46 | Wobin | yeah |
| 15:36.52 | Wobin | anyway |
| 15:36.53 | Wobin | night all! |
| 15:36.56 | haste | and annoying blinking shit with sound |
| 15:37.07 | haste | especially those that play of when you hover them |
| 15:37.12 | Wobin | and drift over coverup ads |
| 15:37.14 | Wobin | =( |
| 15:40.23 | Duman | SVG is fine, you can use the activeX plugin that basically runs a Chrome browser inside of IE ;) |
| 15:54.33 | cbreak | Hmm. It looks wrong in FF, but ok in Safari |
| 15:54.54 | Lopeppeppy | Not surprising. |
| 15:55.00 | Lopeppeppy | Welcome to the fun world of web design. |
| 15:55.11 | alestane | olafski: Intended by whom? Most creators of pages than contain ads intend the ads to be seen. |
| 15:55.31 | olafski | as I said, the way they were intended minus ads |
| 15:56.43 | alestane | This is one of those cases where the way a sentence is punctuated can significantly alter its meaning. |
| 15:57.10 | cbreak | FF doesn't even load them :( http://the-color-black.net/blog/article/StereoscopicCameraforOpenGL |
| 15:57.16 | cbreak | maybe I have to add width and height |
| 15:57.53 | olafski | alestane: I'm sure you knew what I meant the first time |
| 15:58.02 | olafski | if not, I doubt I need to clarify it |
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| 16:03.11 | Goreblood | Hey folks, I'm working on developing a better tutorial interface for WoW for my Ph.D. dissertation, and I kind of don't know where to start. I don't mind hard work so I don't expect you to just tell me how to do it, but if you could suggest some good tutorials on how to get started that would be great. |
| 16:03.32 | cog|away | ~wowprogramming |
| 16:03.33 | purl | i heard wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 16:03.50 | Goreblood | Thanks, I'll start reading. |
| 16:03.57 | cog|away | :) gl |
| 16:04.02 | Ackis | Goreblood: it holds up the couch well too |
| 16:04.04 | Ackis | :P |
| 16:04.09 | Ackis | cog|away: why so away? |
| 16:04.18 | Goreblood | I figured; most of my books do too :P |
| 16:04.22 | Ackis | cog|work: why so work? |
| 16:04.33 | cog|work | good question! :P |
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| 16:09.58 | Duman | heh |
| 16:10.00 | Duman | work, work. |
| 16:10.53 | Ackis | not always right makes me facepalm |
| 16:11.06 | olafski | fun site |
| 16:13.54 | Ackis | omg omg lego universe beta testing |
| 16:13.55 | Ackis | ! |
| 16:14.09 | olafski | :D |
| 16:14.22 | mikma | wat? |
| 16:14.27 | mikma | from where lols? |
| 16:15.08 | Ackis | I got it from lego |
| 16:15.30 | Ackis | http://universe.lego.com/en-us/Beta/Default.aspx |
| 16:16.22 | alestane | Ackis: isn't that what NAR is for? |
| 16:16.23 | olafski | "buy a box of lego worth $10 or more now and get a chance to enter the beta!" :D |
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| 16:29.52 | Ackis | http://kotaku.com/5466357/the-emotion-and-humor-of-mass-effect-2s-romantic-interludes rofl |
| 16:36.16 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/you-got-the-wrongest-item/4171 ...oh...dear... |
| 16:40.52 | olafski | hahaha |
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| 16:47.15 | cog|work | station |
| 16:48.04 | cog|work | oh yeah... tuesday |
| 16:48.16 | Fisker | restaurant |
| 16:49.45 | Lunessa | not really feeling station today. |
| 16:49.48 | Lopeppeppy | octopus |
| 16:50.29 | Kraps | hey orange! |
| 16:54.04 | alestane | textsfromlastnight.com: "Last night at the bar my f**k buddies found out about each other." |
| 16:54.04 | alestane | response: "wtf? what happened?" |
| 16:54.04 | alestane | OP: "Not sure but they rock-paper-scissored to see who was taking me home." |
| 16:54.31 | olafski | ;) |
| 16:54.49 | Lopeppeppy | ... I've done that before. *weg* |
| 16:54.54 | Lunessa | And this is why I love that site. |
| 16:55.25 | olafski | what's *weg*? :$ |
| 16:55.32 | alestane | *wicked evil grin( |
| 16:55.36 | olafski | ah |
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| 16:55.46 | olafski | it means "gone" in dutch, seemed appropriate too =) |
| 16:55.57 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Thrown Janken to see who you were going home with? |
| 16:57.06 | Fisker | *weg* i soooo "whatever gay" |
| 16:57.08 | Fisker | is* |
| 16:57.09 | Fisker | also |
| 16:57.11 | Fisker | reported |
| 16:57.34 | alestane | OP: "Next time i try to unbutton my R.A's shirt with my teeth, please stop me" |
| 16:57.35 | alestane | response: "No promises." |
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| 16:58.40 | Lopeppeppy | No alestane, debated with a girlfriend how to divvy up the eligible males at the party for best consumption. |
| 16:59.39 | alestane | I am amused and intrigued by your choice of the word "consumption." |
| 16:59.44 | alestane | And how long ago was this, anyway? |
| 17:00.15 | Lopeppeppy | High school. Consumption was the perfect word choice. |
| 17:00.29 | Ackis | aion has had its cherry popped! http://aion.curse.com/downloads/aion-addons/details/kings-damage-meter.aspx |
| 17:00.58 | alestane | Last one for today: "When i tried to give you something that wasn't tequila...like water....you kept saying it was against your religion." |
| 17:00.58 | alestane | "I've always been the spiritual type." |
| 17:00.58 | olafski | nice one |
| 17:01.03 | olafski | I just noticed that ackis ;) |
| 17:01.04 | Arrowmaster | aion is moddable? |
| 17:01.12 | olafski | this is a log parser arrowmaster :< |
| 17:01.17 | durcyn | alestane: die |
| 17:01.22 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: it reads the chat log and comes up with a damage/dps metre |
| 17:01.28 | alestane | durcyn: What for? |
| 17:01.34 | durcyn | alestane: that pun :( |
| 17:01.54 | alestane | I don't think it was intended as a pun, although I could be wrong. |
| 17:02.08 | olafski | spiritual seems like a pun to me :( |
| 17:03.01 | nevcairiel | Adys: do you happen to know some well known website thats using django i can put down as a django reference in a paper? |
| 17:03.03 | Fisker | noone cares Ackis |
| 17:03.04 | Fisker | aion is shit |
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| 17:05.07 | Arrowmaster | im going to have to start deleting stuff from my 360 soon, ive only got 88GB free |
| 17:05.14 | olafski | grr :( |
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| 17:05.25 | olafski | I have 2GB free I think ;) |
| 17:05.43 | Arrowmaster | ive got a 250GB drive |
| 17:05.48 | olafski | figured |
| 17:05.57 | nevcairiel | i guess you cant just replace the drive with something big? =P |
| 17:06.00 | olafski | I have a 20GB one.. with the size of arcade games lately it's really not enough |
| 17:06.03 | Arrowmaster | this is what happens after ive been stuck with a fucking 20GB drive for 4 years |
| 17:06.13 | Adys | nevcairiel: db.mmo-champion.com |
| 17:06.13 | Adys | :P |
| 17:06.16 | olafski | e.g. shadow complex and the likes |
| 17:06.23 | Adys | nevcairiel: djangosites.org for inspiration |
| 17:06.41 | nevcairiel | i went there, but i only found unknown stuff :D |
| 17:06.46 | Arrowmaster | also my dvd drive is noisy as fuck so i install everything to the harddrive |
| 17:06.51 | nevcairiel | oh well, what do i care if they know it |
| 17:06.59 | Adys | nevcairiel: i had one in mind but totally forgot |
| 17:07.12 | Adys | actually, isn't wowace or curseforge in django? |
| 17:07.18 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 17:07.20 | nevcairiel | it was, they dropped django |
| 17:07.44 | Arrowmaster | because it was bad |
| 17:08.03 | olafski | arrowmaster: yer I install the game I play most to the hdd as well.. but it only has space for one game |
| 17:08.05 | nevcairiel | You know, for ruby on rails i have twitter, i was hoping for something at least one could know as a comparison for django :P |
| 17:08.24 | Adys | twitter doesnt use rails |
| 17:08.29 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 17:08.53 | Adys | nevcairiel: reddit I believe |
| 17:08.54 | nevcairiel | it used to, did they abandon rails? |
| 17:09.01 | Adys | yeah they definitely abandoned it |
| 17:09.15 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: yes, performance issues |
| 17:09.17 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.djangosites.org/with-source/ |
| 17:09.38 | Adys | maybe reddit only uses python |
| 17:09.42 | Adys | but Im pretty sure it uses django |
| 17:09.44 | olafski | wikipedia still says twitter uses rails :< |
| 17:09.53 | Adys | they were talking about reddit at some djangocon |
| 17:10.00 | Lopeppeppy | wikipedia is right how often? |
| 17:10.08 | Cide | usually |
| 17:10.09 | olafski | often enough for me to trust it |
| 17:10.09 | Adys | !g how often is wikipedia right |
| 17:10.10 | batbot | Adys: Voting Rights Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act> |
| 17:10.26 | Adys | !g how often is wikipedia wrong |
| 17:10.26 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:10.27 | batbot | Adys: News: A Stand Against Wikipedia - Inside Higher Ed <http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/01/26/wiki> |
| 17:10.28 | olafski | generally with high profile things like this, someone will update it |
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| 17:10.53 | nevcairiel | I thought they switched some twitter backends to other stuff but kept the main frontend on rails |
| 17:11.01 | nevcairiel | but could've rememberd wrong |
| 17:12.10 | nevcairiel | but hulu.com is still using rails, yes? =P |
| 17:12.47 | Lopeppeppy | the web said it did back in 2007. |
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| 17:13.48 | Lopeppeppy | A 2009 article says rails and flash, so there's no telling what the % is now. |
| 17:14.26 | nevcairiel | flash is a frontend |
| 17:14.29 | olafski | on 2009-09-25 twitter still used rails |
| 17:14.36 | olafski | dunno if/when they abandoned it though |
| 17:15.34 | nevcairiel | too bad people don't advertise what framework they use generally |
| 17:16.07 | Lopeppeppy | oh hi, come hack me? |
| 17:16.19 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 17:16.34 | Arrowmaster | the larger the site the more likely they arent using a framework but custom stuff theyve written themselves |
| 17:17.01 | nevcairiel | If its relatively new its kinda silly to do that |
| 17:17.04 | olafski | on twitter.com it doesn't say you need to know rails when applying for a job on the front-end.. but I guess that doesn't mean uch |
| 17:17.35 | olafski | much* |
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| 17:18.03 | nevcairiel | Even the good ol' java sites use frameworks alot |
| 17:18.17 | Cide | I don't know if that's true, Arrowmaster |
| 17:18.40 | Cide | certainly giants like Facebook reap massive benefits from improving performance ever so slightly, but there aren't a lot of websites like that |
| 17:18.57 | nevcairiel | Facebook is in php, they don't deserve any performance for that |
| 17:19.03 | Kraps | so theres really nothing to do in ME2 once you finish, except start a new game |
| 17:19.08 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 17:19.14 | Ackis | Kraps: pretty krappy eh? |
| 17:19.22 | nevcairiel | You know, they wrote this tool that converts php code to C++ code now and they run that, because php is just so bad |
| 17:19.29 | Cide | nevcairiel, PHP compiled to C/++ I believe? |
| 17:19.36 | Cide | yeah |
| 17:19.54 | Kraps | Ackis: ah well |
| 17:19.59 | nevcairiel | its not compiled, its really converted and then compiled with gcc |
| 17:20.01 | nevcairiel | its just bad |
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| 17:20.13 | Cide | PHP is bad |
| 17:20.23 | Cide | but I doubt it'd be any faster with any other language |
| 17:20.29 | Cide | other than native c/++ |
| 17:20.34 | nevcairiel | certainly saner |
| 17:20.46 | Fisker | php is like nevcairiel |
| 17:20.48 | Fisker | fail |
| 17:20.59 | Cide | nevcairiel, no code is sane at that level of optimization :P |
| 17:21.08 | nevcairiel | php has a big disadvantage of having to re-read every file on every request |
| 17:21.10 | Arrowmaster | well php does have the more mature apache plugin than python and ruby |
| 17:21.13 | nevcairiel | even when using a bytecode cache |
| 17:21.21 | Cide | Arrowmaster, are they even using apache? |
| 17:21.28 | nevcairiel | not with their c++ dealy |
| 17:21.29 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 17:21.32 | cog|work | no |
| 17:21.37 | cog|work | part of their php engine is an http server |
| 17:21.56 | cog|work | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/02/03/003249/Facebooks-HipHop-Also-a-PHP-Webserver?from=rss |
| 17:21.59 | Arrowmaster | they probably started with apache though |
| 17:22.05 | Cide | most do |
| 17:22.11 | cog|work | yep |
| 17:22.34 | nevcairiel | You can get some more performance out of php when you go nginx and fcgi, though |
| 17:22.36 | nevcairiel | its no mistery |
| 17:27.49 | Arrowmaster | holy shit at bioshock 2 intro |
| 17:27.52 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 17:27.58 | nicoli_s | link Arrowmaster? |
| 17:28.15 | cog|work | google bioshock 2 intro imo? |
| 17:28.19 | Arrowmaster | IM WATCHING IT ON MY 360 RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO LINK! |
| 17:28.50 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: link please? |
| 17:29.00 | Cide | yeah link |
| 17:29.15 | cog|work | lol all the posted videos have been taken down for copyright violations >< |
| 17:29.29 | nevcairiel | youtube is fast with that lately <.< |
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| 17:31.17 | nicoli_s | well if anyone finds a working link lemme know |
| 17:31.42 | Ackis | nicoli_s: ask Arrowmaster he has one |
| 17:31.43 | Cide | THIS IS THE INTERNET WHERE IS MA LINK |
| 17:32.00 | Shirik | No |
| 17:32.02 | Shirik | my internets |
| 17:32.21 | Arrowmaster | WHERES MY LITTLE SISTER! |
| 17:32.45 | Arrowmaster | WTF THATS NOT MY LITTLE SISTER! THATS MY BIG SISTER!!!! |
| 17:32.54 | Cide | THIS IS MA INTERNET WHERE IS MA LINK |
| 17:33.00 | Lunessa | WAIT. U CAN HAZ SISTER LOL? |
| 17:33.08 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 17:33.19 | Arrowmaster | you can have little sisters in bioshock2 |
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| 17:33.53 | Lunessa | And big metal suits. And live under the sea. Just not in a goddamned pineapple. |
| 17:33.59 | nicoli_s | nuhuh |
| 17:34.17 | Arrowmaster | you can atleast turn off the helmet effect though |
| 17:34.42 | nicoli_s | well thats good |
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| 17:35.17 | Arrowmaster | why the hell is jump on Y though |
| 17:35.19 | cog|work | DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\BONG.SYS |
| 17:35.34 | Ackis | teheheh |
| 17:35.50 | Ackis | ur so cute cog|work |
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| 17:36.00 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 17:36.23 | alestane | My brain breaks trying to imagine cogwheel actually stoned. |
| 17:36.40 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: did you get bioshock 2 for the PC for xbox? |
| 17:36.49 | Arrowmaster | xbox |
| 17:37.30 | nevcairiel | wth is this, why doesnt amazon have a box set of farscape |
| 17:37.58 | nicoli_s | i need to watch through that series, i loved farscape, but hated watching scifi |
| 17:38.02 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: they dont? i got mine from amazon in december |
| 17:38.06 | cog|work | coughs ambiguously |
| 17:38.10 | nevcairiel | maybe US does |
| 17:38.31 | Arrowmaster | im about half way though season 4 since i started rewatching it when i got the box set |
| 17:38.49 | Ackis | I did not like farscape |
| 17:38.50 | nevcairiel | yeah US does, even pretty cheap |
| 17:38.55 | Ackis | I liked Stargate: Farscape however |
| 17:38.57 | nevcairiel | maybe i should just pay customs and be doen with it |
| 17:39.46 | nevcairiel | I want it on bluray, but i dont see that happening |
| 17:40.04 | nicoli_s | farscape too sexual ackis? :P |
| 17:40.20 | cog|work | lulz? |
| 17:40.21 | nevcairiel | although the US dvds would be NTSC, can only watch them at the PC then .. hmm |
| 17:40.22 | cog|work | lern2 Lexx imo |
| 17:40.38 | nicoli_s | lol lexx was the shit |
| 17:40.42 | durcyn | your dvd player can't scan convert? psh. |
| 17:40.43 | mikma | lex luthor |
| 17:40.49 | nevcairiel | I dont think it can |
| 17:40.53 | nevcairiel | but the TV is crap anyway |
| 17:41.02 | nicoli_s | we have a road in this town that i think is named after lex luthor |
| 17:41.08 | nevcairiel | I probably would've watched them at the PC anyway |
| 17:41.14 | nicoli_s | its max luthor, and thats close enough for me |
| 17:41.23 | nevcairiel | going to get a HDMI capable TV soonish, for PC on big screen fun :d |
| 17:42.26 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm, good idea, I should borrow a box set of something from friends for post-surgery goodness. |
| 17:42.44 | cog|work | idd |
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| 17:43.52 | nevcairiel | Standard International Shipping (averages 18-32 business days) |
| 17:43.54 | nevcairiel | woot |
| 17:44.14 | nicoli_s | wow thats a long time |
| 17:44.42 | nevcairiel | durcyn: they are region 1 dvds too, hardware players can't just circumvent those checks :P |
| 17:44.58 | durcyn | sure they can |
| 17:45.19 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/medical_maggots.jpg - i saw a document of those fellows two days ago |
| 17:45.29 | nevcairiel | fun fact: amazon.com and amazon.de share the same account database, apparently |
| 17:46.24 | Kraps | soldier class is OP |
| 17:47.35 | nevcairiel | hrm maybe the UK shop has a box too |
| 17:47.37 | nevcairiel | checks |
| 17:48.39 | Cide | speaking of OP, try genlock emissaries |
| 17:51.05 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/1_metric.jpg |
| 17:53.13 | Ackis | mikma: excellent picture |
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| 18:07.37 | AbsolutRayne | Morning. :) |
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| 18:09.36 | cog|work | ohai |
| 18:10.16 | Lopeppeppy | Heya |
| 18:10.46 | AbsolutRayne | http://exordiumkj.com/nuke/html/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4897 am I wrong for posting what I posted here? |
| 18:12.09 | Arrowmaster | IM UNDER THE SEA! |
| 18:12.27 | Lopeppeppy | Is it warm? |
| 18:12.39 | AbsolutRayne | Is it better? Down where its wetter? |
| 18:13.03 | Arrowmaster | im too fat to swim though so im just walking around at the bottom |
| 18:13.21 | Lopeppeppy | Expose Armor is ancient and evil. Yeah. |
| 18:13.47 | AbsolutRayne | Like Yogg Saron, but worse. |
| 18:14.34 | Lopeppeppy | They can have an ugly UI if they like, but yeah, Expose Armor makes no sense at all. |
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| 18:15.06 | AbsolutRayne | His stuff is just everywhere. |
| 18:15.18 | AbsolutRayne | Even his bindings are weird, at least to me. |
| 18:15.33 | AbsolutRayne | Shift Tab? Shift Space? Thats a little far out. |
| 18:15.35 | Lopeppeppy | Everyone's hands and keyboards are different, so don't be too judgemental there. |
| 18:15.49 | AbsolutRayne | I was referring moreso to the Key Combos |
| 18:16.01 | Lopeppeppy | I can do shift-tab and shift-space with my left hand while my right is doing other things. |
| 18:16.03 | Arrowmaster | DADDY'S HOME! |
| 18:16.05 | Lopeppeppy | Seems okay to me. |
| 18:16.15 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Ill refrain from saying anything about that. |
| 18:16.19 | Arrowmaster | no seriously he is, i just got that achievement |
| 18:16.31 | Lopeppeppy | Sweetie darlin' honey pie. *purr* |
| 18:16.38 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: ;) |
| 18:17.04 | Gryzvwald | I'm AutoCAD user and have just about every key from G over to CAPS bound. |
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| 18:17.42 | AbsolutRayne | I recently stopped playing with Keyboard Turn myself, A D F G V and X all have keybinds for me now. :B |
| 18:17.52 | AbsolutRayne | Oh, and Tilde |
| 18:18.15 | Kaso | Does anyone know if there is an addon that does something like, "if you are falling for more than 2 seconds, rebind every key to selfcast levitate" or do i need to write this myself? |
| 18:18.40 | AbsolutRayne | I don't think the UI can detect something like that. |
| 18:18.46 | Kaso | IsFalling() |
| 18:18.48 | Gryzvwald | only keys for movement I have are E S D F, never understood why peole used WASD when your index finger naturally finds F :) |
| 18:18.51 | Kaso | there's an api |
| 18:19.08 | AbsolutRayne | Then I did not know that. |
| 18:19.14 | Ackis | Kaso: livestock did that (a lot more than that actually)... basically turned my "mount button" into a smart mount/oh shit if I'm falling button |
| 18:19.34 | Kaso | good! means i can be lazy |
| 18:19.42 | AbsolutRayne | brb getting some Cheerios. Omnom |
| 18:19.44 | Kaso | or at least pull out his code if i dont want the other features ;p |
| 18:19.53 | Kaso | well maybe not |
| 18:19.57 | Kaso | just your mount button? |
| 18:20.20 | Kaso | i want to be able to mash the keyboard, because so many times ive taken too long to find the damn right button |
| 18:21.19 | Ackis | Kaso: yeah it basically made a super super smart mount button |
| 18:21.24 | Ackis | flying/no flying/levitate |
| 18:21.45 | Kaso | ill look into it |
| 18:21.52 | Ackis | I could be on a flying mount, press Z to dismount, and then Z again to levitate down to the ground |
| 18:22.52 | AbsolutRayne | om nom nom |
| 18:23.27 | AbsolutRayne | Im looking at my newest UI Screenshot, trying to remember what made me choose purple over any other color there is in the universe. |
| 18:24.20 | Lopeppeppy | Blame me? I keep trying to drag you away from blue, kicking and screaming. :) |
| 18:24.38 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Well you finally got your wish, m'dear |
| 18:25.29 | Lopeppeppy | yay for wishcraft! |
| 18:25.46 | AbsolutRayne | Though I do kind of miss my red UIs. Oh well. You would have to pay me a good chunk of change just to update BBC and BBCL |
| 18:26.00 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Did I show you it? |
| 18:26.13 | Lopeppeppy | i don't think so, dear. |
| 18:26.17 | AbsolutRayne | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_020810_173838.jpg |
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| 18:27.07 | Lopeppeppy | I like the centered mana/energy |
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| 18:27.24 | Lopeppeppy | The purple is subtle and smoky, I barely know it's not grey. |
| 18:28.27 | AbsolutRayne | Shouldve taken a picture of it in Raid last night |
| 18:28.29 | AbsolutRayne | Wasnt thinking about it |
| 18:28.45 | Lopeppeppy | raid layout is very valuable |
| 18:29.05 | AbsolutRayne | Its just Grid on bottom center, really. Nothing crazy about it. :P |
| 18:31.04 | Lunessa | Rayne - I do like the placement of action bars but not the font. |
| 18:31.08 | Lopeppeppy | You're always a crazy UI fool, AbsolutRayne. :P |
| 18:31.09 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: When I can, in Cata, im turning my Priest into a Gnome and building her a Chromie set. :P |
| 18:31.23 | Lopeppeppy | Chromie is not a gnome!!!! |
| 18:31.25 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 18:31.31 | AbsolutRayne | >: [ |
| 18:31.32 | Lopeppeppy | But yes, Peppy will become a priest in cataclysm. |
| 18:31.34 | nevcairiel | Looks like one, though |
| 18:31.54 | Lopeppeppy | If it walks like a duck and talks like a dragon, it's a dragon pretending to be a duck and not fooling anyone. |
| 18:32.06 | nevcairiel | thats not how duck-typing works! |
| 18:32.08 | Lunessa | Lunessa will be getting a name and race change as soon as possible to be a tiny pink-haired Gnome Priest. |
| 18:32.27 | AbsolutRayne | Im probably going to turn my Rogue into a Worgen, though. |
| 18:32.31 | nevcairiel | I wanted to change my warrior to gnome, just because its hilarious seeing them tank stuff |
| 18:32.37 | nevcairiel | but i like my nelf racials |
| 18:32.57 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, worgen roguelings! Sharp cruel fangs. |
| 18:33.24 | Lunessa | Watching cogwheel tank giant things in ICC makes me LOL |
| 18:33.50 | AbsolutRayne | Im the OG raiding Gnome in my guild for ICC apparently, lol. |
| 18:33.56 | Lunessa | I mean, he's so small and yet Marrowgar sticks to him like glue. |
| 18:33.58 | Lopeppeppy | I love a gnome tank. I can see over them when I'm on a gnome rogue! |
| 18:34.03 | AbsolutRayne | I was literally their first gnome in all of Cataclysm |
| 18:34.21 | cog|work | Marrowgar's my bitch |
| 18:34.25 | AbsolutRayne | I also wish I could jump on the back of our bear tank and stab things. :( |
| 18:34.36 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, bear butt in your face is not good. |
| 18:34.56 | Arrowmaster | AbsolutRayne: lol that would be so D&D like |
| 18:35.12 | AbsolutRayne | One thing I love about Bears though, is in Gunship Battle, the rocket pack attaches to their butt. |
| 18:35.16 | AbsolutRayne | So funny to watch. |
| 18:35.34 | Lunessa | cog|work: You gonna give that dog a bone? |
| 18:35.39 | Arrowmaster | used to stand behind the tank with a spear as a rogue in a D&D game, was protected and always got my sneak bonus |
| 18:36.00 | cog|work | only problem with being a gnome is in some fights i can't see myself amidst all the mobs, spell effects, etc... I usually mark myself with a triangle just so i can get my facing right >< |
| 18:36.40 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 18:36.41 | Fisker | you |
| 18:36.42 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I used to hate being a gnome rogue in Molten Core. |
| 18:36.46 | Fisker | but only you |
| 18:36.59 | AbsolutRayne | http://www.imdb.com/news/ni1542085/ |
| 18:37.01 | AbsolutRayne | Why |
| 18:37.03 | AbsolutRayne | Whhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 18:37.27 | AbsolutRayne | Leave him alone, let him keep making epic Batman movies |
| 18:37.28 | AbsolutRayne | :( |
| 18:39.36 | AbsolutRayne | Though I cant see him topping The Dark Knight |
| 18:39.38 | AbsolutRayne | at all. |
| 18:39.41 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 18:39.54 | Thunder_Child | shure he can...with most anything |
| 18:40.03 | Lopeppeppy | chocolate sauce |
| 18:40.22 | AbsolutRayne | Though I would love to see The Riddler. |
| 18:42.19 | AbsolutRayne | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1431045/ This movie has the potential to reach legendary status, if anyone read the Comics. |
| 18:44.32 | ccox | I'm betting more on "camp" status |
| 18:44.35 | Lunessa | Based on the last movie in the franchise? I don't think so. |
| 18:45.46 | AbsolutRayne | Lunessa: Always a potential for a turn around. |
| 18:46.07 | Lunessa | I don't have much faith in Marvel Comics movie adaptations. |
| 18:46.35 | AbsolutRayne | And like a lot of people say, if Ryan Reynolds wasnt playing Deadpool, I wouldnt watch it ever. |
| 18:47.30 | AbsolutRayne | He's like...seriously him IRL. |
| 18:47.30 | Lunessa | Marvel has hit it out of the park twice with movie adaptations. Spiderman and Iron Man |
| 18:47.43 | AbsolutRayne | Oh god, Iron Man 2 is next month |
| 18:47.46 | AbsolutRayne | Thanks for reminding me |
| 18:47.50 | AbsolutRayne | goes to clear his calendar |
| 18:48.09 | AbsolutRayne | Oh no its May |
| 18:48.10 | AbsolutRayne | :( |
| 18:48.16 | AbsolutRayne | Why was I thinking March? |
| 18:50.29 | Lunessa | The first X-Men movie was decent, but it didn't hit a home-run, and each follow-up film as been steadily declining in quality. |
| 18:51.21 | nicoli_s | the 2nd was so bad i never saw the 3rd |
| 18:51.46 | Lunessa | And I have trouble taking Ryan Renolds of "Waiting" seriously as a Murderous Psychopath with god-like physical attributes and a vast array of superpowers. |
| 18:52.00 | nicoli_s | i hated with a passion how they were like "hmmm, we need sex appeal, but the only young female character has shitty powers...oh well lets put her in most of the movie anyway" |
| 18:52.40 | Lunessa | in X-Men? Hale Berry as Storm was pretty good, even if she couldn't do the accent. |
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| 18:53.17 | alestane | Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart were great...everyone else was "okay." |
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| 18:53.51 | AbsolutRayne | GET OUT OF MY HEAD, CHARLES |
| 18:53.51 | Lunessa | Yeah. Iam McKellan is always great. |
| 18:53.52 | AbsolutRayne | D: |
| 18:54.31 | nicoli_s | Lunessa: i meant the girl who could walk through walls |
| 18:54.37 | Lunessa | The bookend scene for Magneto was good. |
| 18:54.41 | Lunessa | Kitty Pryde. |
| 18:54.43 | alestane | Magneto has always had a strong edge of bitterness and anger, but I never saw sorrow in the character before. |
| 18:55.27 | Lunessa | Magneto for me has always been the "I do what I must for Lorederon" sort of villain. |
| 18:55.53 | foxlit | <3 ME2's "Exit Game" menu. |
| 18:56.31 | AbsolutRayne | I need to get that game |
| 18:56.41 | foxlit | Sharp contrast to Assassin's Creed. |
| 18:57.40 | Thunder_Child | hmm..is today the dennys free grand slam thing? |
| 18:58.04 | alestane | The one chickens were screaming about on the Super Bowl? |
| 18:58.08 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 18:58.19 | Thunder_Child | i'm watching the comercials and it said tuesday |
| 18:58.33 | alestane | Not sure. I think they said Tuesday. I only go to Denny's when friends are going. |
| 18:58.53 | Lopeppeppy | Was today, yes. |
| 18:59.28 | Thunder_Child | is, goes till 2pm i hink |
| 18:59.33 | Thunder_Child | think* |
| 18:59.44 | alestane | So, it's ending in a minute then. |
| 18:59.47 | alestane | At elast EST. |
| 18:59.53 | Thunder_Child | i still have 3 hours |
| 19:00.10 | Lunessa | I only go to Denny's when the only other choice is Waffle House and I don't want to drive. |
| 19:00.34 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't been to Denny's since they threw us out about 7 years back. |
| 19:00.49 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/100209.html |
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| 19:01.09 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 19:01.19 | Thunder_Child | dennys and it's ilk make a great place to do all nighters for D&D |
| 19:01.46 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Why did they throw you out of Denny's, and which one? The one in Bedford? |
| 19:04.10 | AbsolutRayne | I once went to Dennys at 3am |
| 19:04.13 | AbsolutRayne | Good stuff |
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| 19:05.43 | cog|work | wtb realms |
| 19:07.03 | olafski | bleh that battle for undercity thing is so boring.. actually the whole questline is :< |
| 19:07.21 | nicoli_s | some people at work were actually talking about how epic it was the other day |
| 19:08.29 | Lopeppeppy | sings the Sheeple are Stooop'd song. It's very long and complex. |
| 19:09.00 | foxlit | Cataclysm better put Exodar on the same world server as Teldrassil. |
| 19:09.07 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, it was one somewhere near Latham in Albany. We were... a very disruptive crowd indeed. We deserved the bootski. But we would have tipped exquisitely! |
| 19:09.10 | foxlit | (Bloody annoyance!) |
| 19:09.34 | olafski | foxlit: agreed |
| 19:09.44 | olafski | would be nice to be able to fly there |
| 19:10.13 | foxlit | Not like they don't already have the tech to fly cross-server |
| 19:12.00 | AbsolutRayne | Have they announced extended maint. yet? |
| 19:12.29 | cog|work | yes |
| 19:12.44 | nevcairiel | extended for what? |
| 19:12.49 | cog|work | "some issues" |
| 19:12.50 | kd3 | fox; it's not. probably for the same reason that silvermoon is still going to be on outland and not EK |
| 19:12.56 | nevcairiel | ~wowalert |
| 19:12.57 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 19:13.12 | nevcairiel | heh, testing |
| 19:13.19 | cog|work | "we encountered some issues during the scheduled maintenance and are extending the maintenance on all realms until approximately 11:59am PST..." |
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| 19:16.32 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/100205.html |
| 19:16.38 | Ackis | http://consumerist.com/2010/02/leno-explains-how-he-ended-up-shilling-for-letterman.html |
| 19:19.34 | Lunessa | mmmm.. jalapenos |
| 19:20.56 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 19:24.33 | Lunessa | One of the great things about Texas is... I can get jalapenos on everything. |
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| 19:25.44 | Lopeppeppy | So can I. If I buy a jar of 'em. |
| 19:27.35 | Fisker | i'll buy a jar of you |
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| 19:29.30 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. I don't think I come in jars. |
| 19:29.40 | Fisker | you will |
| 19:29.42 | Ackis | are you sure? |
| 19:29.55 | cog|work | Fisker: you wouldn't steal green eggs and ham, you would not steal them, Fisker you am |
| 19:29.59 | olafski | I bet fisker can come in a jar |
| 19:30.09 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker is much more likely to manage it than I am. |
| 19:30.32 | nevcairiel | They have a jar for everyone, dont worry |
| 19:30.46 | cog|work | olafski: i'm not taking you up on that bet |
| 19:30.53 | Lopeppeppy | Any jar the right sape is soooo unromantic as to be off-setting the goal. |
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| 19:31.33 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: The entire concept is unromantic |
| 19:32.06 | Lopeppeppy | Turkey baster instead? |
| 19:32.15 | Lopeppeppy | I mean, how do you think they grow babies in labs? |
| 19:32.20 | DWSR | morning everyone. |
| 19:32.44 | DWSR | Thank you god for scrollback. |
| 19:32.57 | Lunessa | petri dishes |
| 19:33.00 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 19:33.08 | Lopeppeppy | Petri dishes are too small, hello! |
| 19:33.14 | Lopeppeppy | Squishy head babies come out of those. |
| 19:33.27 | DWSR | If I'm using Luadoc for commenting my code, and I want to show that my function returns 1 or nil, should I use @return 1nil? |
| 19:33.29 | Lunessa | All you does in the lab is get them started. They does the growing in yer belleah! |
| 19:33.52 | AbsolutRayne | O_o |
| 19:33.55 | Lopeppeppy | Your belly, boyo, not mine! |
| 19:35.41 | cog|work | AbsolutRayne: my ui would make your eyes bleed :P |
| 19:36.00 | AbsolutRayne | cog|work: This guys mentality hurts me more than anything else at this moment. |
| 19:36.16 | DWSR | cog|work: Pics or it didn't happen |
| 19:36.28 | cog|work | DWSR: servers or it didn't happen |
| 19:36.38 | DWSR | cog|work: Should be up. |
| 19:36.44 | DWSR | ~alert |
| 19:36.45 | purl | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
| 19:36.55 | Lopeppeppy | They announced extended maintenance. |
| 19:37.03 | cog|work | DWSR: lern2scrollback |
| 19:37.04 | cog|work | :P |
| 19:37.14 | DWSR | cog|work: Just connected. Only have 50 lines worth |
| 19:37.30 | cog|work | ~wowalert |
| 19:37.31 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 19:37.45 | DWSR | yeah, I got it. :P |
| 19:37.55 | DWSR | ~blizzfail |
| 19:38.01 | Dagmar | Noooo! It's mah berfday! They kan't do this! |
| 19:38.19 | DWSR | purl, failbliz is FAIL, Blizzard! FAIL! |
| 19:38.20 | purl | okay, DWSR |
| 19:38.23 | cog|work | happy birthday to you happy birthday to you happy birthday dear dagmar, no servers for j00 |
| 19:38.29 | DWSR | win |
| 19:38.30 | Dagmar | Meh. Let 'em. I honestly dont' care so long as when they're up, tehy _stay_ up. |
| 19:38.32 | nevcairiel | Rather find the issues during maintenance then having unstable servers again |
| 19:38.40 | DWSR | indeed |
| 19:38.41 | DWSR | However. |
| 19:38.42 | Dagmar | cog: lol |
| 19:38.45 | nevcairiel | and its just what, one hour extra? |
| 19:38.51 | Dagmar | cog: That actually has a nice ring to it. hehehe |
| 19:38.59 | DWSR | Would think that they would stop running into these issues, especially when there's no content patch... |
| 19:39.08 | Dagmar | dwsr: Oh lord no man |
| 19:39.22 | Dagmar | You've got no idea what kinda madness crops up with *just* big database servers involved. |
| 19:39.30 | nevcairiel | With a highly complex system like WoW, new stuff occurs every week |
| 19:39.58 | nevcairiel | Maybe they did want to apply some server hotfix or something, stuff they dont tell you about |
| 19:40.03 | nevcairiel | and it caused an issue |
| 19:40.11 | nevcairiel | or just a DB thing, yea |
| 19:41.09 | DWSR | I'm sure that they have a reason |
| 19:41.25 | DWSR | However, I would expect 'unexpected issues' to come up when there's something to patch. |
| 19:41.40 | DWSR | Not for weekly maintenance, unless someone had an oshit moment. |
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| 19:42.12 | nevcairiel | The maintenance is actually designed to find such flaws, so that they dont pile up and cause a major server breakage |
| 19:42.15 | reecie | Hello, I'm making an addon and I can't work out how to detect when Mailbox is open, any help would b greatly appreciated. |
| 19:42.19 | nevcairiel | thats why they do it |
| 19:42.35 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Then I'd argue that Blizzard fails at maintenance. :P |
| 19:42.45 | DWSR | reecie: Look for the MAIL_SHOW event. |
| 19:42.50 | DWSR | I think that's what it's called. |
| 19:42.53 | DWSR | ~api mail_show |
| 19:42.54 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_mail_show |
| 19:43.04 | reecie | tyvm |
| 19:43.05 | DWSR | fail purl |
| 19:43.06 | nevcairiel | You go learn something about complex software interactions first :D |
| 19:43.12 | nevcairiel | !api mail_show |
| 19:43.13 | lua_bot | MAIL_SHOW: Fires when the player begins interaction with a mailbox (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/MAIL_SHOW) |
| 19:43.15 | DWSR | Thanks |
| 19:43.19 | nevcairiel | use the right command :P |
| 19:43.22 | Lopeppeppy | I think the server ferrets need exercise every now and then. |
| 19:43.23 | DWSR | *shrug* |
| 19:43.30 | reecie | yup thats what im after. |
| 19:43.52 | DWSR | nevcairiel: As I said, I'm not really QQing so much as pointing out that, if they need to extend maintenance, that the maintenance has failed to do its job. |
| 19:43.53 | jnwhiteh | OMG HAVE YOU GUYS HEARD THE BUZZ? |
| 19:44.02 | DWSR | the bird? |
| 19:44.16 | nevcairiel | DWSR: maybe it succeded and prevented a major fail during live-time |
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| 19:44.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes, jnwhiteh, what's buzzzzzzzing? |
| 19:44.46 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Everything *was* working fine. So obviously they're trying to change something if it broke. |
| 19:44.48 | nevcairiel | 6 hours of maint isnt long for their database sizes |
| 19:44.53 | DWSR | Oh, no, I know. |
| 19:45.06 | Ackis | zomg http://twitter.com/Fallout |
| 19:45.11 | nevcairiel | nothing has been working fine, the thing lags like hell :P |
| 19:45.24 | Lopeppeppy | q q, qqq q q q. qq. qqq q q q. |
| 19:45.25 | reecie | also i have maillist.ini what function is used to read out the contents of that file into a multiline editbox? - excuse the nubiness. |
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| 19:45.37 | nevcairiel | reecie: you can't read files |
| 19:45.40 | DWSR | ~seen antiarc |
| 19:45.44 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev #wowace #curseforge. Has said a total of 50 messages. Is idling for 20h 3m 27s, last said: 'ctrl/alt/shift'. |
| 19:46.00 | DWSR | reecie: All interaction with the filesystem is sandboxed. You can't do it. |
| 19:46.04 | reecie | nevcairiel store it in an array instead? |
| 19:46.26 | DWSR | reecie: You'd need to store the list in a Lua file and load it into your addon instead. |
| 19:46.31 | nevcairiel | reecie: that would work, you can only load lua files with your addon, any other interaction with the filesystem isnt allowed |
| 19:47.13 | DWSR | How can I check if UnitID exists? |
| 19:47.15 | reecie | but within the addon its possible to addlines to the lua obviously? |
| 19:47.25 | DWSR | no |
| 19:47.28 | cog|work | !api UnitExists |
| 19:47.28 | lua_bot | UnitExists: Returns whether a unit exists (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitExists) |
| 19:47.30 | DWSR | Thanks |
| 19:47.38 | DWSR | reecie: You can't modify Lua script files from within the addon |
| 19:47.47 | reecie | rawr. how would i get it to save information/ |
| 19:47.47 | DWSR | reecie: If you want to store things, you need to use SavedVariables. |
| 19:47.54 | reecie | oh |
| 19:47.59 | reecie | trout slap anyone? |
| 19:48.06 | cog|work | Fisker: ^ |
| 19:48.08 | DWSR | fail, lua_bot |
| 19:49.29 | DWSR | Anyone here use Luadoc? |
| 19:50.07 | DWSR | !api UnitIsAlive |
| 19:50.08 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'UnitIsAlive'. |
| 19:50.12 | DWSR | !api Alive |
| 19:50.12 | lua_bot | PLAYER_ALIVE: Fires when the player's spirit is released after death or when the player accepts a resurrection without releasing (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PLAYER_ALIVE) |
| 19:50.16 | DWSR | sigh |
| 19:50.30 | DWSR | actually, nevermind |
| 19:50.34 | cog|work | !api UnitDead |
| 19:50.34 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'UnitDead'. |
| 19:50.38 | cog|work | !api UnitAlive |
| 19:50.38 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'UnitAlive'. |
| 19:50.55 | nevcairiel | !api unitisdead |
| 19:50.55 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'unitisdead': UnitIsDeadOrGhost, UnitIsDead |
| 19:51.04 | DWSR | Thank you |
| 19:51.09 | nevcairiel | cog|work: read your book more |
| 19:51.21 | cog|work | nevcairiel: my copies never came QQ |
| 19:51.26 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 19:51.29 | cog|work | (2nd ed anyway) |
| 19:52.05 | cog|work | DWSR: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api imo |
| 19:52.09 | cog|work | lern2CTRL-F |
| 19:52.10 | cog|work | :P |
| 19:52.21 | DWSR | cog|work: Why? People in here are so helpful. |
| 19:52.27 | DWSR | And !api > Ctrl-F. |
| 19:52.56 | reecie | can anyone recommend a UI Designer? I've tried AOS and WoW UI Designer. they seem to be heavily buggy |
| 19:53.17 | durcyn | reecie: vim. |
| 19:53.30 | cog|work | reecie: notepad++ |
| 19:54.13 | reecie | im talkin like VB but for WoW |
| 19:54.18 | reecie | drag n drop lol |
| 19:54.20 | DWSR | reecie: Notepad++ |
| 19:54.24 | nevcairiel | you won't get that |
| 19:54.25 | reecie | lies |
| 19:54.26 | cog|work | AddOn Studio is the closest you'll get |
| 19:54.36 | reecie | ty cog|work |
| 19:54.38 | nevcairiel | but it sucks |
| 19:54.39 | DWSR | OAS and WUD are the only tools we have. |
| 19:54.42 | DWSR | AOS* |
| 19:55.05 | durcyn | they're also both complete and total gobshite. |
| 19:55.09 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 19:55.13 | cog|work | i'm surprised WUD is even listed still... It's been out of date for years |
| 19:55.14 | DWSR | Anyone got an 'oUF for intelligent but inexperienced people' guide? |
| 19:55.21 | cog|work | at least AOS is actively developed |
| 19:55.23 | reecie | make a new one then :D |
| 19:55.27 | DWSR | reecie: Why? |
| 19:55.30 | cog|work | no u imo :P |
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| 19:55.40 | Lopeppeppy | you want it, you make it. |
| 19:55.41 | cog|work | AOS is open source... feel free to make it better ;) |
| 19:55.45 | DWSR | reecie: Those utilities generate XML, iirc. |
| 19:55.50 | DWSR | Everyone generates frames using Lua. |
| 19:55.59 | cog|work | don't listen to DWSR |
| 19:56.01 | cog|work | :P |
| 19:56.06 | cog|work | XML ftw |
| 19:56.11 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 19:56.19 | Lopeppeppy | Don't listen to Cogwheel. |
| 19:56.22 | DWSR | ^ |
| 19:56.39 | cog|work | xml doesn't suck if you use a good editor |
| 19:56.40 | DWSR | Can I have multiple @return's per Luadoc statement? |
| 19:56.54 | DWSR | cog|work: It's not that the language sucks. It's that the use case blows. |
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| 19:57.16 | DWSR | Reminds me of iTunes library files. |
| 19:57.18 | cog|work | Describing UI layout? |
| 19:57.40 | DWSR | cog|work: Yes.\ |
| 19:57.44 | DWSR | cog|work: The language is too slow. |
| 19:57.52 | reecie | damnit AOS installer is bugged |
| 19:57.58 | DWSR | reecie: AOS is bugged. |
| 19:58.01 | DWSR | fixt^ |
| 19:58.16 | reecie | im just after the GUI part. i can research the rest. |
| 19:58.32 | DWSR | Why can't you research the GUI part of it too? |
| 19:58.37 | DWSR | Or, alternatively, use something like AceGUI? |
| 19:58.43 | cog|work | reecie: i think if you install some of the prerequisites first manually the installer runs better |
| 19:58.50 | reecie | AceGui? would you mind elaborating? |
| 19:58.54 | DWSR | cog|work: You mean like VB.shit? |
| 19:59.07 | Lunessa | OMG - Food porn: http://smittenkitchen.com/2009/12/how-to-host-brunch-and-still-sleep-in/ |
| 19:59.11 | cog|work | no. like the Visual Studio Shell |
| 19:59.16 | reecie | yea |
| 19:59.16 | cog|work | or the .NET framework |
| 19:59.18 | reecie | gotya cog|work |
| 19:59.28 | DWSR | reecie: Ace, and all of its component libraries, are a framework that's meant to make developing addons much simpler. |
| 19:59.51 | reecie | will look into that ty. |
| 20:00.02 | DWSR | reecie: For example, you can use AceConfig to generate a whole configuration menu (inside Blizzard's Interface panel) without writing a single line describing a new frame. |
| 20:00.22 | DWSR | reecie: And AceConfig will automatically register the slash commands if you want it to as well. |
| 20:00.51 | reecie | I think you won me. |
| 20:01.34 | reecie | sweet so that means all i need to code is the juicy bits |
| 20:01.40 | DWSR | More or less. |
| 20:02.09 | DWSR | You still have to tell AceConfig what configuration options you want and such, but it takes care of generating sliders and stuff |
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| 20:03.23 | DWSR | Also, with Ace being so common, most users have an Ace addon or 2 lying around, meaning that your addon won't have to load its Ace libraries, meaning that you actually save on memory. |
| 20:03.27 | DWSR | As opposed to defining everything yourself. |
| 20:03.34 | reecie | Noob as hell but what language have i been learnign the passed 24hours |
| 20:03.39 | DWSR | Lua. |
| 20:03.45 | reecie | its kind of C? |
| 20:03.47 | DWSR | No. |
| 20:04.26 | DWSR | If you call Lua C-like, you can call most modern languages C-like. |
| 20:04.37 | cog|work | ~pil |
| 20:04.38 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 20:04.38 | DWSR | (which, they are, but that's a bit of a different story). |
| 20:04.40 | reecie | <- webdesigner |
| 20:04.42 | DWSR | ~wowprogramming |
| 20:04.43 | purl | wowprogramming is probably World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 20:04.45 | DWSR | lulz cog|work |
| 20:04.47 | reecie | only ever done a bit of VB coding lol |
| 20:05.16 | DWSR | reecie: Haven't used many web languages. Only PHP and Java |
| 20:05.27 | DWSR | PHP and Java are heavily influenced by C, and they're not much like Lua. |
| 20:05.34 | durcyn | VB will rot your brain. forget everything you learned about it. |
| 20:05.36 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 20:05.43 | DWSR | VB is a blight on the earth |
| 20:05.46 | cog|work | VB.net isn't so bad |
| 20:05.55 | cog|work | as long as you don't think C# is shit |
| 20:05.57 | amro | cog|work: but it's also pointless since you can just use C# |
| 20:05.58 | DWSR | and it needs to burn in the maker's fire. |
| 20:06.00 | durcyn | traumatic castration isn't so bad |
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| 20:06.13 | Lopeppeppy | I don't think it is. |
| 20:06.28 | DWSR | Apparently, you castrate a lamb by biting its balls. |
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| 20:06.36 | cog|work | amro: VB is "friendlier" to people who aren't accustomed to curly brace languages, imo |
| 20:06.39 | DWSR | Just for your fun fact for the day. |
| 20:06.40 | foxlit | The ice stone has melted, Fisker. |
| 20:07.02 | cog|work | DWSR: i watched that video too |
| 20:07.13 | DWSR | cog|work: I was watching Dirty Jobs. |
| 20:07.14 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 20:07.16 | DWSR | *barf* |
| 20:07.19 | kd3 | whee, realms coming up |
| 20:07.24 | durcyn | bestiality? you sickos. |
| 20:07.29 | cog|work | DWSR: he gave a speech about that episode recently |
| 20:07.37 | DWSR | kd3: Win |
| 20:07.53 | kd3 | that speech was impressive. mike's a hell of a lot smarter than he shows on dirty jobs |
| 20:08.05 | DWSR | I wonder if their delta(logins per second) approaches infinity as soon as the realms come up |
| 20:08.14 | DWSR | kd3: Yes, he is. |
| 20:08.18 | cog|work | DWSR: http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/mike_rowe_celebrates_dirty_jobs.html |
| 20:08.24 | kd3 | looks like it, considering the realms are all full/locked |
| 20:09.30 | reecie | where can i download the new AceGUI. i can only find ones posted at 2006 |
| 20:09.37 | reecie | in forum category 'outdated' |
| 20:10.04 | DWSR | reecie: wowace.com/addons/ace3/ |
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| 20:11.03 | reecie | tyvm.. Goodnight |
| 20:11.18 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple is going to drive me MAD |
| 20:11.22 | Lopeppeppy | Mad, I tell you. |
| 20:12.04 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 20:12.07 | DWSR | cog|work: That's awesome |
| 20:13.52 | DWSR | LULZ. |
| 20:14.02 | DWSR | Dude, I knew he was smart, but he's like...almost poetic. |
| 20:14.10 | cog|work | srsly |
| 20:14.23 | kd3 | looks at his last line |
| 20:16.17 | DWSR | Err. |
| 20:16.27 | DWSR | What happens if I return a function? |
| 20:16.31 | DWSR | like, return function(); |
| 20:16.38 | cog|work | that wouldn't return the function |
| 20:16.40 | DWSR | Do I return the function's return value? |
| 20:16.44 | cog|work | () calls the function |
| 20:16.50 | DWSR | That's what I thought |
| 20:16.55 | cbreak | return function () end |
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| 20:17.09 | cbreak | that returns a function :) |
| 20:17.13 | DWSR | Ah, alright. |
| 20:17.18 | cog|work | return foo |
| 20:17.25 | cog|work | if foo is a function |
| 20:17.45 | cbreak | by the way |
| 20:17.53 | cbreak | getting svg to work in firefox AND safari is a pain |
| 20:17.57 | cbreak | safari works nicely with img |
| 20:18.11 | cbreak | firefox requires embeding the <svg> xml into xhtml |
| 20:18.21 | cbreak | safari supports that too, but does scaling strange... :( |
| 20:18.40 | DWSR | cbreak: How can I do multi-line Luadoc? |
| 20:18.45 | DWSR | ---[[ ---]]? |
| 20:18.49 | cbreak | don't know luadoc |
| 20:19.00 | cbreak | multi line comment is --[[ ]] |
| 20:19.05 | cbreak | among others |
| 20:19.16 | DWSR | cbreak: Right, but I need to have --- at the start of a comment to make it Luadoc. |
| 20:19.42 | cbreak | maybe --[[- ]] :) |
| 20:19.58 | cbreak | I forgot the total comment syntax of lua |
| 20:20.51 | DWSR | kd3: You lied. realms aren't up |
| 20:21.05 | cog|work | DWSR: if you assume the Luadoc manual is complete, then no you can't |
| 20:21.05 | kd3 | some are |
| 20:21.07 | kd3 | not all |
| 20:21.11 | DWSR | they're all crashing |
| 20:21.12 | Kaso | How do you embed dongle libraries? http://www.wowwiki.com/Dongle/Embedding that the documentation refers to doesnt exist |
| 20:21.23 | DWSR | Kaso: Dongle? |
| 20:21.48 | DWSR | Kaso: Don't you usually list it in embeds.xml? |
| 20:21.55 | nevcairiel | Kaso: you just ship Dongle.lua with it and put it in the .toc |
| 20:21.58 | nevcairiel | there is no magic |
| 20:22.09 | kd3 | oof. next update's at 1300PDT |
| 20:22.50 | DWSR | We encountered some additional issues continue to work on the maintenance. <-- lulz Blizzard. |
| 20:22.53 | cog|work | Kaso: i don't see that page linked to from anywhere... |
| 20:22.56 | DWSR | WE FOUND MORE ISSUE. WE WORK ON NOW |
| 20:23.01 | DWSR | [/chinese] |
| 20:23.09 | Kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dongle/Core_API |
| 20:23.31 | DWSR | Kaso: Yeah, it's easy. Just list Dongle.lua in your ToC |
| 20:23.34 | DWSR | .toc* |
| 20:23.37 | cog|work | Kaso: http://www.wowwiki.com/Dongle |
| 20:23.40 | cog|work | "That means to use Dongle, you simply include Dongle.lua and put it in your .toc file." |
| 20:24.05 | DWSR | What's the advantage of using embeds.xml? |
| 20:24.05 | Kaso | gotcha |
| 20:24.18 | jnwhiteh | mikma: Can you ask jossu where all the northern spice went? |
| 20:24.19 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 20:24.26 | cog|work | DWSR: it allows you to not have all those libs cluttering up your ToC |
| 20:24.36 | jnwhiteh | either I'm blind or the 100s we had disappeared. |
| 20:24.54 | DWSR | cog|work: So in other words, not a whole hell of a lot. |
| 20:25.14 | cog|work | pretty much, yeah, it's just an organizational thing |
| 20:25.17 | Lopeppeppy | Someone's been cooking up a storm. |
| 20:25.36 | Kaso | cog|work, the "do i need to include donglesub as well" thing is what i was wondering about, turns out i need to read introductions more ;p |
| 20:25.46 | nevcairiel | in the earlier days, the WoWAce Updater was able to clean out the embeds.xml if you installed a no-lib version, to avoid missing-file errors |
| 20:25.51 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:25.51 | nevcairiel | but that time is long gone |
| 20:27.01 | Kraps | many issues, the servers have |
| 20:28.47 | mikma | jnwhiteh: i bet she took them with her |
| 20:28.58 | jnwhiteh | Thief! |
| 20:29.00 | reece|z | what is "Stubbing" |
| 20:29.03 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 20:29.04 | reece|z | LibStub |
| 20:29.12 | jnwhiteh | i'll move any of my stuff into my tabs then |
| 20:29.13 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 20:29.30 | jnwhiteh | reece|z: http://www.wowwiki.com/LibStub |
| 20:29.51 | Fisker | OWNED WobWork |
| 20:29.55 | mikma | jnwhiteh: what do you mean by "thief"? did she take spices you put there? |
| 20:30.04 | jnwhiteh | haha yeah I had contributed to the pile |
| 20:30.06 | jnwhiteh | and I'm kidding |
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| 20:30.09 | jnwhiteh | but now I have no spice =) |
| 20:30.11 | Lopeppeppy | I think he was just teasing. |
| 20:30.16 | jnwhiteh | it's okay, i'll just start doing dailies again |
| 20:30.26 | Lopeppeppy | You puts it in the group bank, you takes your chances! |
| 20:30.32 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 20:30.43 | mikma | jnwhiteh: i could help you getting the spices with my druid, but i'm adding gametime in 2 weeks |
| 20:30.44 | jnwhiteh | how are your balls Fisker? |
| 20:30.52 | jnwhiteh | haha no problem mikma |
| 20:30.54 | jnwhiteh | i'll be fine =) |
| 20:30.56 | Fisker | salty, chocolate..ly |
| 20:30.57 | cog|work | reece|z: "stub" is used to imply that it just has a very small job and doesn't really accomplish anything on its own |
| 20:31.34 | mikma | jnwhiteh: no really, after i add more gamrtime i'm more than glad to help |
| 20:31.40 | jnwhiteh | hehe its not an issue |
| 20:31.43 | jnwhiteh | i make 10 fish feasts |
| 20:31.50 | jnwhiteh | will be a while before i use them |
| 20:32.04 | reece|z | Blizz has screwed somethin up |
| 20:32.15 | Torhal | Not Blizzard! |
| 20:32.17 | Torhal | Nooo! |
| 20:32.44 | reece|z | theres not even an Oceanic realms tab anymore |
| 20:32.59 | reece|z | and there 45minutes late. |
| 20:33.02 | nevcairiel | tabs just hide when they are empty |
| 20:33.11 | nevcairiel | it'll be back :p |
| 20:33.59 | reece|z | any coder available for hire? |
| 20:35.33 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 20:35.36 | Fisker | do you want to suck them? |
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| 20:36.12 | jnwhiteh | umm |
| 20:36.13 | jnwhiteh | no thanks. |
| 20:36.42 | Fisker | man |
| 20:36.52 | Fisker | this guy is invincible |
| 20:36.59 | Fisker | First he links meatspin in trade |
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| 20:37.13 | Fisker | then he starts calling german people "goddamn krauts" |
| 20:37.52 | cog|work | suddenly i crave horseradish |
| 20:38.12 | Lopeppeppy | Shrimp cocktail is an excellent horseradish delivery service. |
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| 20:39.00 | cog|work | i'm going to a crab feed on saturday. the rotary club catches their own crabs the morning before, and they've got an awesome homemade cocktail sauce |
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| 20:40.01 | Lopeppeppy | That's a lot of days away! |
| 20:40.27 | cog|work | idd but i think my horesradish craving can wait |
| 20:40.57 | Lopeppeppy | you're a better man than I am, to wait so long. |
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| 20:42.38 | cog|work | well, it's not a particularly strong craving, and i'll probably forget about it in an hour or two anyway :> |
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| 20:52.29 | cbreak | I hate web design |
| 20:52.38 | cbreak | it's almost as bad as cross platform development :( |
| 20:53.30 | mikma | ooh |
| 20:53.39 | mikma | Futurama S06 starts this year |
| 20:53.47 | DWSR | :o\ |
| 20:53.48 | DWSR | Really |
| 20:53.58 | mikma | Really Really |
| 20:54.53 | Fisker | yeah |
| 20:54.56 | Fisker | old news and so forth |
| 20:54.59 | jnwhiteh | I have 9 frozen orbs, 13 abyss crystals |
| 20:55.01 | jnwhiteh | nothing to do with them |
| 20:55.04 | jnwhiteh | what the hell are they good for? |
| 20:55.14 | Fisker | selling on the ah |
| 20:55.16 | cog|work | abyss crystals can be shattered into other enchanting mats |
| 20:55.25 | cog|work | came in handy for leveling |
| 20:55.29 | Pneumatus | or used for berserking enchant, etc |
| 20:55.47 | cog|work | well yeah, i assume he knew of the obvious "for enchants" answer ;) |
| 20:55.49 | Pneumatus | orbs are useful for leg armor patches |
| 20:55.56 | Pneumatus | + spellthreads |
| 20:55.56 | jnwhiteh | how much is the vendor/repair mount? |
| 20:56.11 | kd3 | 16k? |
| 20:56.20 | jnwhiteh | hrm, only 8k off. |
| 20:56.22 | Pneumatus | 16k at exalted was my guess |
| 20:56.36 | Pneumatus | been a long time since i looked :o |
| 20:56.58 | jnwhiteh | ooh |
| 20:57.05 | jnwhiteh | only 4 frost emblems away from getting my trinket upgrade |
| 20:57.12 | jnwhiteh | i need a second trinket tho |
| 20:57.14 | jnwhiteh | suggestions? |
| 20:57.24 | Pneumatus | what do you play? |
| 20:57.36 | cbreak | frozen orbs are nice to make spellthreads, they sell rather well |
| 20:58.00 | jnwhiteh | resto druid |
| 20:58.10 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 20:58.20 | DWSR | My speakers pick up cop radio chatter. |
| 20:58.24 | Pneumatus | i hate healing trinkets :< |
| 20:58.27 | DWSR | When left on with no source. |
| 20:58.33 | Pneumatus | im still using a 226 in trink from mimiron |
| 20:58.37 | Pneumatus | *int |
| 20:58.43 | cog|work | DWSR: lern2shieldedwire? |
| 20:58.45 | DWSR | Pneumatus: I'm still using a 200 trink from ToC reg. |
| 20:58.49 | DWSR | cog|work: They are. |
| 20:59.10 | jnwhiteh | I'm using darkmoon card illusion |
| 20:59.14 | cog|work | yeah, some of the 200 trinks have really good longevity |
| 20:59.15 | Pneumatus | there's a trinket from gunship i quite fancy having a go at though |
| 20:59.17 | jnwhiteh | and a wintergrasp trinket |
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| 20:59.25 | jnwhiteh | I _hate_ on use |
| 20:59.28 | Pneumatus | ditto |
| 20:59.30 | jnwhiteh | but the 264 resto trinket is nice. |
| 20:59.32 | Pneumatus | proc or gtfo |
| 20:59.42 | jnwhiteh | so i need another > 200 ilevel proc/static trinket |
| 20:59.43 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 20:59.46 | Pneumatus | saying that, i just bind use trinkets to penance or w/e |
| 21:00.00 | Pneumatus | so i treat them as a proc, basically :) |
| 21:00.05 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 21:00.14 | cog|work | heh... i should macro my skeleton key to heroic strike... |
| 21:02.24 | Pneumatus | i think my DK must have the most macros out of all my chars though |
| 21:02.36 | Pneumatus | seeing as every ability has runestrike + startattack chained in |
| 21:06.01 | kd3 | taps his foot |
| 21:06.18 | cog|work | the only things i've really macroed are stance dances (charge/intercept) or equipment checks (shield bash/pummel) |
| 21:07.02 | cog|work | at least as far as combat goes... i've got plenty of macros for things like summoning murky, then mounting my big blizzard bear, then putting on the murloc costume :> |
| 21:07.14 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 21:07.52 | DWSR | Demo lock has a decent amount of macros. |
| 21:07.58 | DWSR | DE macro'd into everything |
| 21:12.00 | Shirik | Wow |
| 21:12.14 | Shirik | One of my aunt's dogs just went to the animal hospital :( |
| 21:12.32 | Shirik | the two dogs were playing with each other and one bit the other's ear and apparently hit an artery |
| 21:12.48 | cog|work | eek |
| 21:12.49 | Shirik | Fortunately my aunt is a paramedic and handled it quite well |
| 21:13.04 | Lopeppeppy | Ooops. That sucks a lot. Blood is nasty, poor puppy. |
| 21:13.07 | Kaso | does Dongle's ScheduleRepeatingTimer not take a string as callback function like like its RegisterEvent? |
| 21:13.37 | Shirik | Supposedly a clothespin saved her life |
| 21:14.03 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I could see that. Instant, constant pressure on the area. |
| 21:14.21 | cog|work | vicegrips imo |
| 21:14.24 | cog|work | ducks |
| 21:14.36 | Lopeppeppy | Can't just leave those on the ear, too heavy |
| 21:14.44 | DWSR | that's what she said. |
| 21:15.14 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/02/09/wow-com-giveaway-world-of-warcraft-programming-2nd-ed/ |
| 21:16.20 | Lopeppeppy | Look at them scanning the graphics on the cover! How clever. |
| 21:17.10 | Shirik | I wonder the legality of that |
| 21:17.14 | Shirik | jnwhiteh, sic em! |
| 21:17.22 | Lopeppeppy | Grrrrrrr-oooof! |
| 21:17.35 | Shirik | I thought Lopeppeppy was a cat not a dog |
| 21:17.43 | Lopeppeppy | *purrrrrr* |
| 21:17.45 | Shirik | :) |
| 21:18.01 | Kandoko | I wonder if Im making this more complex that it needs to be. Trying to find what gear a class is able to use. AND I want it to be locale independent. http://norgdev.pastey.net/132716 |
| 21:18.14 | kd3 | realms are coming up-ish |
| 21:18.41 | nevcairiel | didn you say that a while ago? |
| 21:18.48 | Kandoko | Basically Im using spell IDs to get the localized itemType so I can compare it to the returns from GetItemInfo |
| 21:18.51 | Gryzvwald | all realms should be up by 2pm they say. some realms sooner. |
| 21:18.57 | kd3 | that was before the extent of the failure was apparent |
| 21:19.10 | kd3 | reports are that they're doing better now |
| 21:19.12 | cbreak | lag's terrible today and yesterday |
| 21:19.17 | Dagmar | Kandoko: I'm not sure it's even worth the time it takes to code something to look that up. There's only a small number of classes, and what they can wear is fixed, with a couple that get an additional armor type at 40 |
| 21:19.19 | cbreak | I wonder if it's caused by that valentine stuff |
| 21:19.21 | Kandoko | And only generating the data table for the class I need |
| 21:19.29 | kd3 | "...from a newt!?" |
| 21:20.11 | Dagmar | Kandoko: You could probably put the resulting information into a string less than 40 characters long |
| 21:20.14 | cog|work | yay back up to #1 in the Game Programming category =) |
| 21:20.30 | Kraps | i wish you could chose a different class on each playthrough in ME2 |
| 21:20.50 | Dagmar | You can if you make a differernt avvy |
| 21:22.25 | Dagmar | I know what's slowing the servers down |
| 21:22.46 | Dagmar | It's all those teenage boys having existential crises over whether or not hitting on a male toon makes them gay |
| 21:23.38 | Kraps | Dagmar: i know, i want to do it on the same avvy |
| 21:24.00 | Dagmar | I already fired off an email saying "Next time, let us save what the damn toon looks like" |
| 21:24.02 | Kraps | adept looks really cool |
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| 21:24.42 | Kraps | i started a female soldier but i miss my biotics |
| 21:25.00 | Dagmar | There's some improvements in ME2 but it's still agony to spend time stretching the face around just to find five seconds into the actual game that they look like they were struck in the face with a frying pan at an early age, the moment they turn to the side |
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| 21:25.29 | Dagmar | It took me almost an hour and a half to actually start ME1 because of that |
| 21:25.42 | Dagmar | Five attempts |
| 21:25.54 | nicoli_s | woot! i get to see tenacious d! |
| 21:26.09 | Fisker | sc2 beta nicoli_s |
| 21:26.30 | Fisker | you will be required to giev |
| 21:26.40 | nicoli_s | how bout this fisker, yer not allowed to mention sc2 again until you have a link for me to download the client |
| 21:27.25 | smcn | Dagmar: "let us save what the damn toon looks like" you can in ME2 |
| 21:27.46 | smcn | there's a code you copy/paste at the bottom of the customization screen |
| 21:28.01 | Fisker | you're not allowed to make demands until you get me a betakey nicoli_s |
| 21:28.09 | Dagmar | I'm holding out for a Lego Beta |
| 21:28.10 | nicoli_s | and yes of course, if i get an acct id let you play it a little when i wasnt |
| 21:28.11 | Lopeppeppy | Bye bye normal people! |
| 21:28.17 | nicoli_s | Dagmar: its gonna be great |
| 21:28.20 | Cairenn | later Lopeppeppy |
| 21:28.30 | Dagmar | nicoli_s: I actually do have high hopes for it. :) |
| 21:28.42 | Fisker | i tried to make an account |
| 21:28.45 | nicoli_s | me too, i know a few people who tried it at conventions and shit who liked it |
| 21:29.00 | Fisker | then they were like "lol u can't remember your password, please wait 24 hours, tard" |
| 21:29.17 | Dagmar | I was a little nonplussed that I've been getting their mails about it for months and months, and now that they're actually taking applications for it, they pretend to not know me |
| 21:29.31 | Dagmar | Would it have been that hard to _not_ dump the database of accounts? heh |
| 21:29.50 | kd3 | pokes Ruin |
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| 21:31.20 | jnwhiteh | Since when is that a scan? |
| 21:31.24 | jnwhiteh | They were given those graphics |
| 21:32.06 | jnwhiteh | *confused* |
| 21:32.55 | cog|work | also fair use imo... |
| 21:33.14 | Dagmar | scan what? |
| 21:33.29 | nicoli_s | yeah i was confused wtf yall were talking about too |
| 21:33.40 | cog|work | 13:16 <+Lopeppeppy> Look at them scanning the graphics on the cover! How clever. |
| 21:33.46 | cog|work | 13:17 <@Shirik> I wonder the legality of that |
| 21:33.46 | cog|work | 13:17 <@Shirik> jnwhiteh, sic em! |
| 21:33.57 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 21:34.05 | Shirik | someone said scan I was like "OMGDAI" |
| 21:34.18 | cog|work | and we were like "NOU" |
| 21:34.20 | Dagmar | Ah... Okay. I just got back and my scrollback didn't show that |
| 21:34.31 | Shirik | And then I was like lkjaf9p32j43awpfj |
| 21:34.49 | cog|work | and then i was like "lulz i gats ur wow asswurd nao" |
| 21:35.32 | Dagmar | Tangental to that, someone needs to smack the U3 people with the cluebat |
| 21:35.55 | Dagmar | PortableApps does a better job of providing a platform and _apps_ than U2 |
| 21:35.57 | Dagmar | er U3 |
| 21:36.12 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:36.24 | Torhal | DWSR: If I don't like Gentoo, you owe me a CD. Preparing to tear my machine down now. |
| 21:36.25 | Dagmar | KeepPass would be freaking perfect if I could get a _recent_ version of it and Putty in the non-writable portion of my thumbdrive |
| 21:36.32 | Fisker | i slapped Shirik |
| 21:36.43 | DWSR | Torhal: Work with it for a couple of days. :P |
| 21:37.06 | DWSR | Don't just be a noob and quit just because you don't like the install process. |
| 21:37.20 | nevcairiel | You have to be pretty dedicated to like gentoo, but its worth it, imho :d |
| 21:37.21 | Torhal | DWSR: I'm sick of being tied in to these zombified distros, so I'll either keep it or go to FreeBSDm which I haven't used since 1999 |
| 21:37.47 | Torhal | s/Dm/D,/ |
| 21:37.49 | Dagmar | Go Slackware |
| 21:38.02 | Dagmar | YOu have to build most of it yourself, so if you don't like it, there's only you to blame. ;) |
| 21:38.23 | Torhal | Eh, I liked ports with FreeBSD so the concept of Portage is nice. |
| 21:38.26 | Dagmar | I'm going back to beating on the secure installer once I get this last bit of crazy knocked out of MythWeb |
| 21:38.39 | kd3 | mythweb? non-crazy? |
| 21:38.42 | kd3 | laughs |
| 21:38.44 | Dagmar | My patch better not be rejected because of too many comments |
| 21:39.04 | Torhal | And now I know when I go to upgrade something I won't see "Oh! Installing these five other packages as dependencies, even though they never were before!" |
| 21:39.05 | Dagmar | kd3: Kormoc and xris aren't bad coders, but mythweb has a lot of the smell of "hastily written" on it |
| 21:39.22 | DWSR | bsdm lulz. |
| 21:39.24 | kd3 | yar |
| 21:39.30 | Dagmar | I'm tripling the size of the stream_raw module, but by god it'll be future proof now |
| 21:39.30 | Torhal | DWSR: :P |
| 21:39.43 | kd3 | lmao |
| 21:40.13 | Dagmar | Seriously. It will definitely support multipart range requests as correctly as possible, even though I know of nothing that requests more than one range in a single get |
| 21:40.17 | Jerub | aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:40.19 | Shirik | (16:37:12) (nevcairiel) You have to be pretty dedicated to like gentoo, but its worth it, imho :d |
| 21:40.19 | Jerub | all oceanic is down. |
| 21:40.21 | Shirik | damn right |
| 21:40.33 | Shirik | gentoo is ftmfw |
| 21:40.39 | Dagmar | Still trying to decide if I should go ahead and throw in some code to enforce it ONLY streaming media files. *shudder* |
| 21:40.54 | Torhal | Anywho: Powering down so I can install this drive then the OS on it. |
| 21:42.38 | Jerub | AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 21:43.12 | nevcairiel | People should learn to install their OS off a thumb drive |
| 21:43.55 | Jerub | sif |
| 21:43.58 | Dagmar | That's more annoying than it sounds |
| 21:44.01 | Jerub | i netinstall all my stuff |
| 21:44.10 | Jerub | which is really freaking easy for good operating systems. |
| 21:44.26 | Fisker | hey Jerub |
| 21:44.26 | nevcairiel | more annoying then installing a drive and burning a disc? =P |
| 21:44.26 | Dagmar | Yeah but it requires infrastructure discipline many people don't have |
| 21:44.27 | Fisker | i like you |
| 21:44.47 | Jerub | Fisker: okay, go to blizzard, turn Dath'remar back on. |
| 21:44.50 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: Well, considering you dont have to care if your initrd has USB support if you just install from another partition? |
| 21:45.05 | Fisker | k |
| 21:45.10 | Gagorian | Well making an xp installation thumbdrive is more of a pain than just burning a disc |
| 21:45.17 | Gagorian | But after it's done, it's obviously easy |
| 21:45.20 | nevcairiel | A sane boot disc will have usb support, but meh |
| 21:45.23 | nevcairiel | never had those issues |
| 21:45.37 | Dagmar | Yeah but you can't just dd an ISO onto a thumbdrive and have it work |
| 21:45.45 | nevcairiel | nah, there are tools for that |
| 21:45.46 | Dagmar | ...and booting on older hardware is iffy |
| 21:46.02 | Jerub | i also have a thumbdrive and a cd that have a network pxe boot stack on them. |
| 21:46.03 | nevcairiel | unetbootin or what is it called |
| 21:46.11 | Gagorian | I have a bootable miniSD I use |
| 21:46.20 | Jerub | so i can use a single usb or cd media to netboot on systems with broken netbooting. |
| 21:46.23 | Dagmar | Yeah, unetbootin is the only one I know of that's close to feature-complete, but their docs are a bit lacking |
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| 21:46.30 | Goreblood | Quick likely annoying question |
| 21:46.38 | durcyn | unetbootin, or sysinternals wintoflash |
| 21:46.39 | nevcairiel | I mean, netbooks dont even come with cd drives |
| 21:46.47 | Dagmar | THey tell you what to do for exactly one way to go about it, but don't do much to explain exactly what those steps do or mean |
| 21:46.49 | Dagmar | :/ |
| 21:46.54 | nevcairiel | want to plug in an external (usb-based too) drive? |
| 21:47.13 | Gagorian | If you have one, why not :P |
| 21:47.18 | Goreblood | I've created a basic addon after reading this afternoon. All it does is has a large button and plays a sound file when you click it. Extremely simple I know.. But when I push it I get a lua error about calling a global function. Is this a common newbie error that I'm grossly overlooking? |
| 21:47.36 | Shirik | Ha, I never noticed this before |
| 21:47.38 | Gagorian | Goreblood: pasty the code |
| 21:47.47 | Shirik | Googling for "recursion" causes google to go "Did you mean 'recursion'?" |
| 21:47.48 | alestane | Goreblood: That's not enough information by itself. |
| 21:47.55 | Dagmar | Shirik: HAHAHH |
| 21:48.03 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you're so slow |
| 21:48.13 | Shirik | nevcairiel, I thought were were tight :( |
| 21:48.19 | Gagorian | Goreblood: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ |
| 21:48.19 | Shirik | you like me because I use gentoo |
| 21:48.20 | Dagmar | That's got to be someone's little joke. :) |
| 21:48.24 | nevcairiel | ~recursion |
| 21:48.25 | purl | To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. see ~recursion |
| 21:48.27 | Goreblood | Ok.. one sec |
| 21:48.41 | nevcairiel | google has some other fun things |
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| 21:48.57 | Goreblood | It's the LUA side where I'm getting errors, the XML is fine. |
| 21:48.58 | Goreblood | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/132721 |
| 21:49.13 | Goreblood | I've used XML in the past fairly extensively. I'm more or less totally new to LUA though |
| 21:49.24 | nevcairiel | |
| 21:49.24 | nevcairiel | (number of horns on a unicorn + the answer to life the universe and everything) / once in a blue moon |
| 21:49.29 | nevcairiel | google can calculate that :P |
| 21:49.50 | DWSR | really? |
| 21:49.52 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:49.53 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Recursion&diff=341662967&oldid=341662712 |
| 21:50.10 | alestane | Goreblood: Try giving the function a more recognizable name and taking out the local in front of the function. |
| 21:50.11 | DWSR | 116.763356 years <-- LULZ |
| 21:50.59 | nevcairiel | also, google for "ascii art", and itll turn the logo into ascii art |
| 21:51.00 | Gagorian | Indeed, you can't call a local function from outside the file |
| 21:51.09 | Goreblood | alestane: I don't really understand. If I change the name of the function the callback from the XML won't work o_o |
| 21:51.11 | DWSR | wow |
| 21:51.27 | Gagorian | Goreblood: take local out from in front of it |
| 21:51.31 | alestane | As long as the function is local to the .lua file, the callback from the XML won't work either. |
| 21:51.52 | alestane | And if you leave the name as "Button1_OnClick", it's WAY too generic. |
| 21:51.53 | Dagmar | Gagorian: You might want to look a little more closely at how scoping works |
| 21:52.04 | Shirik | wow it really is ascii too, not a picture of ascii art |
| 21:52.07 | Shirik | like you can copy it |
| 21:52.13 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 21:52.21 | nicoli_s | yah, all your functions should have names like stuff,dothings,something,etc |
| 21:52.28 | Gagorian | Dagmar: ? |
| 21:52.44 | Shirik | oshi |
| 21:52.49 | Shirik | chrome is acid3 compliant now? |
| 21:52.56 | Goreblood | Gagorian: Same error |
| 21:53.05 | Arrowmaster | Goreblood: you arent using something like wow addon studio are you? |
| 21:53.06 | alestane | Honestly, in that case there's really no need to maintain a .lua file (you could put the body right inside the <OnClick> part of the XML), but since this is a pratice round, it makes some sense to do it that way. |
| 21:53.09 | Dagmar | gagorian: You scoped the function locally. Outside of that scope it can't be seen. |
| 21:53.13 | haste | Shirik: webkit was the first engine to be, so kinda no surprise now that they've merged more with upstream |
| 21:53.23 | alestane | Dagmar: You're pinging the wrong person. |
| 21:53.24 | Goreblood | Arrowmaster: yes. I stopped wanting to handwrite XML many years ago lol |
| 21:53.27 | Gagorian | Dagmar: You're confusing me with Goreblood |
| 21:53.32 | Shirik | las ttime I checked they were really close |
| 21:53.35 | Shirik | just had one tiny bug |
| 21:53.39 | Dagmar | Actually, I just haven't stabbed nickcomplete in the face enough |
| 21:53.57 | Arrowmaster | Goreblood: yeah you are going to have to edit all the xml that thing outputs if you want it to be remotely useful |
| 21:53.59 | haste | Shirik: google has been really slow at pushing patches upstream, and they've recently started to catch up |
| 21:54.01 | alestane | Goreblood: AddOn Studio is poorly maintained, unreliable and produced bad code even when it worked. |
| 21:54.06 | Arrowmaster | or figure out how to change the function it calls |
| 21:54.17 | Goreblood | Oh... Well that blows arse. |
| 21:54.22 | durcyn | Shirik: webkit does, yes |
| 21:54.29 | nevcairiel | google is now commiting more patches to webkit then apple is |
| 21:54.36 | Arrowmaster | most of us never even use xml, we just do everything in lua |
| 21:54.51 | haste | Shirik: webkit got 100/100 on acid3 before chrome was even announced, and shortly after it also got the speed requirement |
| 21:54.54 | durcyn | er, more commits by number of commits, they didn't measure size or importance, nev |
| 21:55.02 | Shirik | omfg |
| 21:55.06 | haste | is done filling the fluff |
| 21:55.07 | Shirik | IE is |
| 21:55.07 | alestane | There are valid reasons to use XML, but this probably isn't one of them. |
| 21:55.08 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:55.10 | Shirik | wow |
| 21:55.18 | Goreblood | Hah. |
| 21:55.19 | haste | no way IE passes the speed requirement |
| 21:55.20 | Goreblood | Hmm. |
| 21:55.25 | Shirik | IE doesn't pass a damn thing |
| 21:55.33 | haste | ! |
| 21:55.37 | Arrowmaster | the valid reasons for using XML with WoW are very limited and very specific |
| 21:55.38 | Shirik | there's a million "fail" all over the place, some random HTML code appeared, and it's at 20/100 |
| 21:55.43 | alestane | Goreblood: Try pasteying your XML also and someone can illustrate the changes. |
| 21:55.53 | Goreblood | will do |
| 21:56.13 | Shirik | oh no it's some svg code |
| 21:56.14 | Shirik | not HTML |
| 21:56.15 | nevcairiel | Shirik: my IE only goes to 12 |
| 21:56.17 | olafski | btw nevcairiel, what was the conclusion of the earlier discussion about twitter/rails.. do they still use it? :> |
| 21:56.20 | Shirik | and yeah I meant to say 12 |
| 21:56.22 | Shirik | not sure why I said 20 |
| 21:56.25 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 21:56.28 | nevcairiel | now it jumped to 2 |
| 21:56.29 | nevcairiel | 20 |
| 21:56.31 | nevcairiel | after some time |
| 21:56.33 | nevcairiel | crazy :P |
| 21:56.50 | nevcairiel | Shirik: turn on IE7 compat mode |
| 21:56.52 | nevcairiel | even better :P |
| 21:56.53 | Shirik | lol ie: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/2dd21c4c0a4484551dfa244391dae8a8.png |
| 21:57.24 | haste | at least it passes acid2! |
| 21:57.30 | Goreblood | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/132723 |
| 21:57.36 | Goreblood | First line skipped because of URL detection |
| 21:57.43 | Shirik | ahahaha @ compat mode |
| 21:57.51 | Dagmar | Compatibility only matters if you don't own a giant corporation |
| 21:57.55 | haste | stabs Goreblood slightly. |
| 21:58.12 | Goreblood | o_o |
| 21:58.28 | haste | URL containing XML should be mark NSFM |
| 21:58.57 | haste | (to pages obviously) |
| 21:59.26 | NeoTron | my iphone scores 100/100 on acid3 |
| 21:59.35 | Goreblood | o-o |
| 21:59.39 | haste | NeoTron: your iphone runs webkit |
| 21:59.48 | NeoTron | I know |
| 21:59.51 | NeoTron | just saying |
| 21:59.59 | haste | that reminds me |
| 22:00.06 | haste | I forget my phone *fetches* |
| 22:00.12 | nevcairiel | heh running that too |
| 22:02.19 | nevcairiel | 93 on the android 2.0 browser |
| 22:02.56 | Goreblood | My eventual objective is to make a better teaching interface for WoW for super-beginners. part of my PHD dissertation work. I think I'm a little far off X_X |
| 22:03.15 | NeoTron | ironically iphone fails acid2 |
| 22:03.22 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 22:03.29 | alestane | Goreblood: Bear with me a minute. |
| 22:03.39 | nevcairiel | oh hai, motorola finally rolled out the 2.0.1 |
| 22:03.40 | nevcairiel | updates |
| 22:03.42 | Goreblood | alestane: not a problem. |
| 22:03.51 | Arrowmaster | Goreblood: what type of teaching interface? |
| 22:03.54 | alestane | !api setBackdrop |
| 22:03.54 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'setBackdrop': Frame:SetBackdropColor, Frame:SetBackdrop, Frame:SetBackdropBorderColor |
| 22:04.15 | alestane | !api frame:SetBackdrop |
| 22:04.15 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'frame:SetBackdrop': Frame:SetBackdropColor, Frame:SetBackdrop, Frame:SetBackdropBorderColor |
| 22:04.22 | alestane | !api frame:SetBackdrop() |
| 22:04.22 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'frame:SetBackdrop()': Frame:SetBackdropColor, Frame:SetBackdrop, Frame:SetBackdropBorderColor |
| 22:04.27 | alestane | Sod you then. |
| 22:04.40 | Fisker | porns nevcairiel |
| 22:04.54 | Arrowmaster | !api ^frame:SetBackdrop$ |
| 22:04.54 | lua_bot | Frame:SetBackdrop: Sets a backdrop graphic for the frame (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetBackdrop) |
| 22:05.04 | haste | executes Fisker = function() end |
| 22:05.30 | Goreblood | Arrowmaster: Long story. I'm doing a gender equity in gaming study based on a theory that education, ie: education about how to navigate 3d space, how to play games, yada yada, is what's keeping girls from playing more games. I'm looking to build an adaptive tutorial system that uses a particular teaching method to monitor what the player does and provide temporally appropriate tutorials using sound and text, as opposed to j |
| 22:05.40 | Jerub | Goreblood: topics like, "don't vendor those herbs" "stun and ragetanks: why you got kicked" and my all time favourite, "keep the army of the dead in your pants on dragon bosses" |
| 22:06.12 | kd3 | whee; let's aggro many whelps with tail swipes |
| 22:06.16 | Goreblood | Jerub: Those would be advanced for the people I'd be working with, but I appreciate the humour. Idiot tank did AOTD on Rotface on pull the other night, killed us all. |
| 22:06.20 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 22:06.26 | Arrowmaster | Goreblood: got cut off at 'as opposed to' |
| 22:06.37 | Dagmar | We meessed with someone hardcore in VH last week when we had three guilded DKs in a pug |
| 22:06.38 | Goreblood | Arrowmaster: The crappy "tips" interface wow currently uses |
| 22:06.49 | Dagmar | Right at about 5% we all hit Army of the Dead and ran away |
| 22:07.20 | Jerub | Goreblood: "don't vendor those herbs" is actually a huge deficency in the current tutorial system. nothing in the game teaches you to particpate as an equal member in the player economy properly. |
| 22:08.16 | Jerub | Goreblood: a player that started playing wow (and was a friend of mine) got to level 30 and was dirt poor, i asked about their professions, they had blacksmithing and herbalism |
| 22:08.17 | Arrowmaster | Goreblood: ok so the result of the programming is going to be part of your project, not that the project has anything to do with programming, i was a little confused at first |
| 22:08.20 | Goreblood | Jerub: I agree. |
| 22:08.33 | Jerub | and had probably made 4-5 silver from vendoring every herb ever picked. |
| 22:08.44 | Goreblood | Arrowmaster: Yep. I just need to get a grasp on the programming so I can actually GET to that point... soon. Ouch. |
| 22:08.48 | olafski | jerub: it made sense to me from the start that mining goes with blacksmithing :< |
| 22:08.55 | olafski | and there were no tutorials in beta.. :) |
| 22:09.53 | Jerub | olafski: she grabbed the first two she saw. |
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| 22:10.11 | Jerub | and didn't realise the implications. |
| 22:10.13 | Arrowmaster | Goreblood: so im guessing there will be a lot more logic than gui programming involved |
| 22:10.46 | Goreblood | Arrowmaster: That's the thing. It's mostly just detecting deaths, detecting camera angles, detecting when and what they're doing, and responding with text and sound appropriately |
| 22:11.09 | WobWork | It's amazing how much spending money you can get as a noob with gathering skills |
| 22:11.18 | WobWork | I remember when a gold was a massive amount of money |
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| 22:11.23 | olafski | jerub: I'm just saying.. not everyone needs their hand held :< |
| 22:11.27 | Arrowmaster | camera angles is tricky but i know how to cheat and get them |
| 22:11.48 | WobWork | now, with some seed money, or even just a few days, you can put enough copper on the AH to make hundreds of gold |
| 22:11.58 | Jerub | olafski: everyone needs auctioneer and an introduction into how to use it. |
| 22:12.03 | WobWork | nah |
| 22:12.07 | olafski | that was a joke I hope jerub |
| 22:12.12 | Goreblood | olafski: Which is why the tutorial should DETECT when people are doing what's correct and not inundate them with tips if they do |
| 22:12.13 | WobWork | Auctioneer is an advanced lesson =P |
| 22:12.32 | WobWork | don't force addons on people =P |
| 22:12.38 | Arrowmaster | Goreblood: so youve got some programming experience but not with Lua? |
| 22:12.39 | olafski | indeed |
| 22:12.48 | olafski | I've used auctioneer for maybe a week, then got sick of it :P |
| 22:13.06 | Goreblood | Arrowmaster: Yes. Though limited. XML/HTML/CSS up the yingyang, Lots of VB6, some C/C#, Torque |
| 22:13.06 | Jerub | i set her up with auctioneer, showed her how to scan the market once a week, showed her how to lsit things at market price by leaving everything at default, and bam, money rolling in for no effort. |
| 22:13.24 | Jerub | you've gotta use somethign that shows you a reasonable price for goods. |
| 22:13.35 | Jerub | and makes listing lots of auctions simple. |
| 22:13.58 | olafski | jerub: in beta and at the start of retail people used to.. look.. at the prices other people put up and undercut them |
| 22:14.09 | WobWork | olafski: heavens! |
| 22:14.12 | olafski | that's how you undercut, you really don't need an addon for that |
| 22:14.24 | olafski | and I don't really care about the price history |
| 22:14.27 | WobWork | granted, there was a much smaller pool of players at that time plying the AH |
| 22:14.40 | olafski | sure wobwork.. but I can still sell my goods without auctioneer ;) |
| 22:14.50 | WobWork | well price history prevents monopolies |
| 22:15.09 | alestane | Goreblood: This has some advanced concepts in it, but if you get your brain around it, it represents a fairly tidy way to design an add-on like the one you're creating at the moment: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/132724 |
| 22:15.22 | Arrowmaster | Goreblood: if you are dedicated to this i would suggest you spend a little money and pickup the just released new edition of the book written by one of the regulars in this channel |
| 22:15.26 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 22:15.27 | purl | wowprogramming is probably World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 22:15.27 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprograming |
| 22:15.28 | Jerub | i doubled my working cash when i was a lowbie by buying all the light leather on the AH and relisting for 3x |
| 22:16.00 | Arrowmaster | Goreblood: also for just a little overview of the Lua syntax there is http://www.lua.org/pil |
| 22:16.56 | WobWork | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/09/jedi_surrey/ |
| 22:16.58 | Goreblood | Arrowmaster: Is it likely that I'd find it in a chapters, etc. or should I just amazon it |
| 22:17.13 | olafski | jerub: sure.. that kind of stuff works sometimes.. but so rarely that I don't think it's worth all the shit that auctioneer brings :P |
| 22:17.14 | Goreblood | alestane: Thanks a lot... I'll... try to figure that out |
| 22:17.17 | Arrowmaster | Goreblood: http://is.gd/7A3Jx |
| 22:17.20 | olafski | I like auctionator though.. so much simpler |
| 22:17.33 | Arrowmaster | Goreblood: it was just released on amazon yesterday i think |
| 22:17.43 | alestane | Goreblood: You may wish to read Programming in Lua: |
| 22:17.44 | alestane | ~pil |
| 22:17.45 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 22:17.45 | Goreblood | Arrowmaster: ah |
| 22:19.25 | Goreblood | Arrowmaster: Subjectively, how difficult does what I'm intending to do sound o_o |
| 22:19.40 | Arrowmaster | i havent read World of Warcraft Programing or the first edition of it since i dont really need it so i wasnt going to spend money on it but a lot of people said the first one was very good |
| 22:19.53 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt sound that hard to do if you can come up with the logic |
| 22:22.17 | Arrowmaster | although some things i know you wont be able to detect with an addon, like if they are using keybinds or clicking the actionbar with the mouse, clicking the ground to move or using wasd |
| 22:22.58 | kd3 | whee |
| 22:23.01 | kd3 | maintenance from hell |
| 22:23.19 | Goreblood | Arrowmaster: Regarding movement; that's not really important. If I can detect if they're not using the skills AT ALL, (ie like a spell idle) that's fine, furthermore, if the camera angle is like smashed into the ground, if they're walking into walls, etc. |
| 22:23.19 | kd3 | next update's at 1500 pdt |
| 22:23.26 | alestane | Goreblood: I'll start by explaining that when WoW loads and runs an add-on file, it passes the add-on name and a pre-allocated table as the first two arguments. The first line of the file I posted captures these. |
| 22:23.26 | alestane | Since an add-on name is pretty much guranteed by the file system to be unique, this provides you with a good way to keep the functions and frames you create separate from other add-ons, without naming conflicts. |
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| 22:25.20 | alestane | You won't generally find this in how-tos, unfortunately, because it's a recent addition to the add-on system. I think the new edition of WoW Programming (for which I am a contributing author as well) does cover it though. |
| 22:25.32 | Thunder_Child | grumbels about power outages |
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| 22:27.24 | Gizzmo | hey everybody, my servers down so iv come to visit. |
| 22:27.36 | cog|work | onoes! |
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| 22:29.47 | shifuimam | i done got me a job finally |
| 22:30.04 | alestane | Hurray for that. |
| 22:31.37 | cog|work | Jerub: scan once a week? try 3 times a day! |
| 22:31.42 | cog|work | :P |
| 22:32.38 | Hjalte | What's the best (and most compatible) way of showing video on a website? I have the clip as an .avi file at the moment. |
| 22:33.19 | durcyn | Hjalte: in a perfect world, H.264 HTML5 <video> elements, back in reality: flash |
| 22:33.37 | alestane | Right now, the most common approach is to encapsulate it in a Flash object, or upload it to YouTube and use the embed object code they provide. |
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| 22:36.22 | Dagmar | In a perfect world the people holding h.264 wouldn't be so flagrantly saying "Yes, this is a submarine patent." |
| 22:37.07 | Dagmar | No one really wants to build in technology that at some point five years from now someone's going to say "Let's see how much of your money we want and go from there" |
| 22:37.18 | WobWork | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/1_metric.jpg |
| 22:37.45 | Dagmar | So... keep ogg theora in mind |
| 22:39.58 | shifuimam | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/379173/IMG_6754.JPG nsfw |
| 22:40.26 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.32 | Gizzmo | yea |
| 22:40.36 | shifuimam | yeah but some workplaces might be very anti-phallus |
| 22:40.37 | Hjalte | What's the best quest tracker? I am looking at leveling an alt :) |
| 22:40.41 | alestane | Only as dirty as the onlooker. |
| 22:40.45 | Thunder_Child | depends where you work i guess |
| 22:42.50 | Thunder_Child | melts in your hands not in your mouth takes on a whole new meaning |
| 22:42.57 | Thunder_Child | err..other way |
| 22:46.04 | foxlit | so, rollcall. Did they hotfix getting lovely charms while inside a vehicle? |
| 22:46.47 | foxlit | Finished a bomber daily without receiving any, so it seems like it's patched. |
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| 22:49.06 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: it's gone :( |
| 22:49.11 | Gnarfoz | just tried ulduar, didn't work |
| 22:49.27 | Gnarfoz | (Battle before the Citadel worked yesterday, doesn't today) |
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| 22:52.52 | DWSR | servers up yet? |
| 22:53.47 | Gizzmo | and this is where all of us login to the game |
| 22:54.08 | Gizzmo | and no |
| 22:54.21 | DWSR | wonderful. |
| 22:54.30 | Gnarfoz | you'll live |
| 22:54.35 | Gizzmo | yea |
| 22:54.47 | Gizzmo | gives me time to surff wowUI forums |
| 22:54.54 | DWSR | lulz |
| 22:54.59 | Thunder_Child | http://notalwaysright.com/another-kid-for-brangelina/3600 |
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| 22:55.53 | Gizzmo | lawls, love that site |
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| 22:57.21 | Gizzmo | Hey is there any way to write and test code with out having to be in the game? |
| 22:57.45 | Shirik | If you write your code well, yes |
| 22:57.52 | Shirik | unit testing is most definitely possible |
| 22:57.57 | Shirik | do many people do that? no |
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| 22:58.01 | Arrowmaster | you can download the lua executables and use 'luac.exe -p file' to check for syntax errors |
| 22:58.02 | durcyn | luac -l -p |
| 22:59.11 | Gizzmo | well i dont knot much about lua/wow coding, and i dont wana do the... change a line, reloadui, change another line, reloadui |
| 22:59.36 | durcyn | you can also use in-game formatting tools like wowlua |
| 22:59.39 | sylvanaar | Gizzmo: you could use mocks, but its alot of effort |
| 22:59.46 | durcyn | they do some syntax checking etc |
| 23:00.06 | cbreak | you could just write your addon in a text editor |
| 23:00.09 | cbreak | and reload once |
| 23:00.16 | cbreak | instead of after every line |
| 23:00.28 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 23:00.29 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 23:00.40 | Shirik | ok |
| 23:01.46 | Gizzmo | yesterday spend my entire day switching my dogtags to luatexts. and i still want to try to make my pitbull layout into a oUF layout. |
| 23:02.16 | sylvanaar | i have been playing with writing a lua grammer for Irony, its kind of addictive |
| 23:03.03 | durcyn | wf is Irony |
| 23:03.06 | durcyn | wtf even |
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| 23:04.13 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNzrwh2Z2hQ <- very well done |
| 23:05.31 | sylvanaar | http://irony.codeplex.com/ |
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| 23:07.10 | Gizzmo | wow that is an awesome vid, indead its very well done |
| 23:16.18 | cbreak | must have cost a fortune in license rights |
| 23:16.25 | smcn | fair use |
| 23:17.06 | cbreak | the US still has fair use? |
| 23:17.09 | WobWork | nice |
| 23:17.14 | WobWork | GoogleBuzz froze chrome |
| 23:18.02 | Gagorian | cbreak: Why wouldn't there be fair use? |
| 23:18.08 | sylvanaar | god bitbucket fails - im getting 500's rom my repos |
| 23:18.08 | Dagmar | They have fair use until the first asshole label decides to talk to a lawyer about it |
| 23:18.22 | cbreak | because it costs 5 million $ to download a few songs |
| 23:18.29 | sylvanaar | everything freezes chrome |
| 23:18.37 | cbreak | and they even redistribute it on youtube |
| 23:25.32 | Gizzmo | another update from warcraft twitter: "We are still doing #maintenance on many realms but some are currently playable. We will have another update at approximately 4:00pm PST." |
| 23:26.26 | Gizzmo | and my server is one of the ones not up... ugh |
| 23:27.53 | cog|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA |
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| 23:30.10 | jnwhiteh | So |
| 23:30.13 | jnwhiteh | my interview on wow.com |
| 23:30.14 | jnwhiteh | first comment |
| 23:30.17 | jnwhiteh | "While maybe not popular with a lot of people, I think Tekkub's work quite useful, having used a bunch of his addons in the past. Just thought I'd throw it out there." |
| 23:30.20 | jnwhiteh | lol? |
| 23:30.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: I'm generally asleep by 10:00 EST |
| 23:30.53 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: wat |
| 23:31.19 | jnwhiteh | I have no idea what tekkub has to do wit hany of it |
| 23:31.26 | jnwhiteh | but i'm glad he has fans =) |
| 23:34.05 | Fisker | i don't like you jnwhiteh |
| 23:34.08 | Fisker | you fed wow.com |
| 23:34.09 | jnwhiteh | I don't like me either! |
| 23:34.12 | jnwhiteh | how convenient! |
| 23:34.16 | Fisker | this is not a good thing |
| 23:34.38 | jnwhiteh | I feed everyone! |
| 23:34.43 | ScytheBlade1 | clicks and reads said interview |
| 23:34.50 | tekkub | I who the what now? |
| 23:35.20 | Fisker | i also reported you in-game for having an interview with wow.com |
| 23:35.32 | Gnarfoz | good call |
| 23:35.32 | Shadowed | haha |
| 23:35.35 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: kk |
| 23:35.59 | Fisker | i find it offensive :( |
| 23:36.19 | jnwhiteh | I find your genitalia offensive |
| 23:36.23 | Fisker | Really if i had the ability to shut down 10 sites i would atleast reserve the last one for wow.com |
| 23:36.34 | Fisker | the other 9 for social networking sites of course |
| 23:36.43 | Shadowed | I would shut Twitter down |
| 23:36.44 | Shadowed | 10 times |
| 23:36.46 | Shadowed | just to make sure it stayed dead |
| 23:36.57 | Gnarfoz | kill it dead! with fire! |
| 23:38.26 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: why do you have to be such an overachiever, making the rest of us look bad |
| 23:38.47 | jnwhiteh | I overachieve? |
| 23:38.52 | jnwhiteh | Don't tell that to my supervisor O.o |
| 23:38.55 | ScytheBlade1 | proof right there :P |
| 23:41.12 | WobWork | hehehe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGykVbfgUE |
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| 23:41.21 | WobWork | hm missed |
| 23:41.24 | WobWork | Lopeppeppy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGykVbfgUE |
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| 23:44.38 | Fisker | he's on a horse WobWork |
| 23:45.01 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Knit and crouchet? |
| 23:45.02 | DWSR | Nice. |
| 23:45.04 | DWSR | Anyway, bbl. |
| 23:45.05 | DWSR | Exam time. |
| 23:45.06 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 23:45.23 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Okay. Old spice still sucks, even if this guy has a voice I'd die for. |
| 23:45.30 | Arrowmaster | these comments are getting amusing |
| 23:46.33 | Shadowed | they are Arrowmaster |
| 23:47.25 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: http://www.wow.com/2010/02/09/15-minutes-of-fame-the-add-ons-that-make-it-all-work/ go make some homo erotic comments to make everybody feel uncomfortable |
| 23:47.59 | Arrowmaster | what, its what he does best |
| 23:48.13 | jnwhiteh | truth |
| 23:48.14 | Shadowed | it is |
| 23:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ the first page of comments |
| 23:49.32 | ScytheBlade1 | You wrote "my fiance wanted to come here to do !his! graduate degree" when I'm pretty sure his fiance is a woman. |
| 23:49.35 | ScytheBlade1 | awesome. |
| 23:49.54 | Shadowed | the internet is awesome |
| 23:49.56 | ScytheBlade1 | also the last comment on the first page sums my feelings up nicely |
| 23:50.37 | ScytheBlade1 | oh there's only one page of comments :/ |
| 23:51.05 | Arrowmaster | i think it just went up |
| 23:51.44 | Lopeppeppy | That comment about the fiance rocks my world. I'd love to go kick that person in the head. |
| 23:52.19 | Kraps | "However Morinth's claims prove to be a bluff and Shepard painfully dies during joining, leading to a 'critical mission failure' game over message. Just like in battle, you can reload the game afterwards. " |
| 23:52.24 | Kraps | lawl |
| 23:53.13 | Shadowed | violent Lopeppeppy |
| 23:53.45 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy has had a bad millenium. Kickings will continue until the population decreases. |
| 23:53.56 | Shadowed | that will take a while |
| 23:54.28 | Arrowmaster | tekkub is rawring |
| 23:54.59 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I have a list. Please to be eliminating them too. |
| 23:56.46 | Kraps | Ackis: playing on hardcore is... hard |
| 23:58.28 | jnwhiteh | Amazon.com Sales Rank: #946 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books) |
