| 00:00.34 | ScytheBlade1 | hm, can't see it |
| 00:00.47 | ScytheBlade1 | join chat lobby casual 02 |
| 00:00.50 | Thunder_Child | cant you type it in? |
| 00:00.55 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 00:01.04 | Dagmar | Might wanna make sure they don't exceed 255 characters, and it would probably help if you checked http://www.wowwiki.com/API_EditMacro and made sure your arguments were in the right order |
| 00:01.11 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 00:01.30 | ScytheBlade1 | click the star, go to invites |
| 00:01.59 | ScytheBlade1 | now you can invite me to your game |
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| 00:02.23 | licio | thanks Dagmar, i'll double checkt that, just a moment... |
| 00:03.54 | licio | :( the arguments are in the right order and i only use about 100 chars. any other idea what a line feed / escape sequence besides \n could be working? |
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| 00:05.20 | licio | btw: if i copy the macro i edited in lua to a new macro created by hand everything works fine |
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| 00:11.45 | Arrowmaster | licio: instead of "s use [[ and ]] |
| 00:12.03 | Arrowmaster | then you can just put the newline directly in the string |
| 00:12.57 | jnwhiteh | DROP IT LIKE IT'S HOT. |
| 00:12.59 | jnwhiteh | sleeps. |
| 00:13.39 | WobWork | jnwhiteh has very -exciting- sleeps |
| 00:14.24 | Shirik | oh quite exciting |
| 00:14.30 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12304666450&postId=123028103044&sid=1#16 <-hurr hurr |
| 00:14.53 | licio | Arrowmaster: can you give me an example string how that works? |
| 00:15.06 | Arrowmaster | [[ line one |
| 00:15.11 | Arrowmaster | line two ]] |
| 00:15.13 | WobWork | local mystring = [[ once upon a time |
| 00:15.16 | WobWork | there lived a |
| 00:15.19 | WobWork | little old man]] |
| 00:15.57 | licio | i see, but i'm using a for loop |
| 00:16.47 | Fisker | WobWork |
| 00:16.51 | Fisker | approve of my trollin' |
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| 00:17.31 | WobWork | Fisker: since when did you need validation? =P |
| 00:19.22 | WobWork | " My account has been blatenly brute forced hacked my password was a serious combination of letters and numbers a keybored faceroll, if we didn't have battle.net accounts then hackers wouldnt be able to brute for hack them. " |
| 00:19.38 | WobWork | ... bruteforced on a random combination of letters and numbers? |
| 00:19.48 | WobWork | well, we're fucked then =P |
| 00:19.51 | Iriel | I think that reads "I had a keylogger, oops" |
| 00:20.00 | WobWork | well apparently not |
| 00:20.04 | WobWork | since his paypal wasn't touched |
| 00:20.12 | WobWork | (clearly uses the same password for everything) |
| 00:20.20 | Jerub | how much money is required for cold weather flying (from no flying at all) |
| 00:20.28 | WobWork | 1k g? |
| 00:20.34 | Iriel | From none at all? |
| 00:20.38 | WobWork | oh |
| 00:20.38 | Iriel | I have that page open, one sec |
| 00:20.41 | WobWork | 5500? |
| 00:20.44 | Jerub | hah |
| 00:20.45 | Fisker | naw |
| 00:20.51 | WobWork | without faction discount |
| 00:20.53 | Fisker | it's hard to answer Jerub |
| 00:20.53 | Iriel | 225g for expert flying |
| 00:20.54 | Iriel | oh |
| 00:20.54 | Fisker | look it up |
| 00:21.00 | WobWork | oh wait, CWF not epic |
| 00:21.03 | WobWork | bah, yeah |
| 00:21.05 | WobWork | look it up =P |
| 00:21.09 | Iriel | (assuming discount) |
| 00:21.21 | Iriel | then 50g for your mount |
| 00:21.24 | Iriel | and 1000g for your CWF |
| 00:21.27 | Iriel | and level 77 |
| 00:21.33 | Fisker | the funny thing is that you can't bruteforce WobWork |
| 00:21.34 | Iriel | (or 68 if you have an 80) |
| 00:21.36 | Jerub | yeah, i need it for my lvl 69 mage, he's got 415+ tailoring now so he's gotta go to dangerous places in dragonblight every 4 days |
| 00:21.45 | WobWork | is impregnable! |
| 00:21.56 | Jerub | okay, so like 1400g |
| 00:22.16 | Iriel | Jerub: Do you have an 80? |
| 00:22.18 | WobWork | my poor hunter keeps getting left out in the non-epic cold |
| 00:22.20 | Jerub | Iriel: yes :) |
| 00:22.23 | Iriel | on that server, of course |
| 00:22.25 | Iriel | ok 8-) |
| 00:22.28 | WobWork | I epiced my DK, my shaman and my druid |
| 00:22.36 | Jerub | i knew about the heirloom CWF book |
| 00:22.49 | Iriel | I just epic flying mount'ed Iriel (the original one) |
| 00:22.51 | Jerub | i've got 2k gold after some incredible luck with gems. |
| 00:22.55 | Iriel | earlier today |
| 00:23.06 | Jerub | heh, i'm going to need a mount |
| 00:23.12 | Jerub | is so used to flight form |
| 00:23.18 | WobWork | I know! |
| 00:23.18 | Iriel | You're a tailor - carpet time |
| 00:23.22 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 00:23.30 | WobWork | flight form is so so ridiculously handy |
| 00:23.43 | Jerub | WobWork: do you intentionally drop then flightform too? |
| 00:23.45 | WobWork | I get so sick of flying vertically down |
| 00:23.49 | WobWork | yeeeeesssss |
| 00:24.02 | Jerub | WobWork: ogrims hammer |
| 00:24.02 | Jerub | :D |
| 00:24.04 | Fisker | i actually think i got a new system for Blizzard WobWork |
| 00:24.18 | WobWork | Fisker: If you get keylogged you get punched in the face? |
| 00:24.23 | Fisker | If Customer -> AbuseStaff -> CancelAccount |
| 00:24.38 | Fisker | It's F# |
| 00:24.56 | Jerub | fisker's sharp knife? |
| 00:24.57 | WobWork | nah, I think a voucher for a free punch in the face to the customer would be adequate compensation for the support staff |
| 00:25.10 | WobWork | hell, I'd do support for that =) |
| 00:25.36 | WobWork | also, lol at Love is in the air bugs =P |
| 00:25.47 | WobWork | I'm glad they hotfixed the Sholazar bug |
| 00:25.51 | WobWork | but they haven't for Ulduar |
| 00:25.59 | Jerub | i got a little agro yesterday |
| 00:26.06 | Jerub | 80s using the dungeon finder to do UK runs |
| 00:26.09 | Jerub | but stopping at the first boss. |
| 00:26.21 | Jerub | ... i have a 30 minute wait in the dps queue |
| 00:26.24 | WobWork | ... |
| 00:26.34 | WobWork | it takes them less than 10min to do the whole run =P |
| 00:26.43 | WobWork | esp normal |
| 00:26.51 | Jerub | yes, but they ragequit and go again if they don't get hte bouquet |
| 00:27.14 | WobWork | =( |
| 00:27.38 | ScytheBlade1 | and that, Thunder_Child |
| 00:27.48 | ScytheBlade1 | is why yoou never centralize your production |
| 00:28.00 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: yup |
| 00:28.06 | Thunder_Child | again? |
| 00:28.13 | Fisker | oh no WobWork |
| 00:28.19 | Fisker | the thread got closed |
| 00:28.22 | Fisker | i'm in big trouble now |
| 00:28.35 | ScytheBlade1 | maybe in a bit, I need to fix my migraine |
| 00:29.10 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 00:29.32 | ScytheBlade1 | that took way too long to get in game though |
| 00:29.42 | ScytheBlade1 | retarded interface is retarded |
| 00:30.14 | WobWork | ... http://advice.nerve.com/2010/01/29/sex-advice-from-world-of-warcraft-players/ |
| 00:30.18 | WobWork | ... |
| 00:30.44 | WobWork | Fisker: maybe because you closed the thread yourself? =P |
| 00:31.03 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: only because we didnt know it |
| 00:31.36 | Fisker | naw WobWork |
| 00:32.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: and, now knowing it, it is retarded |
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| 00:52.30 | Arrowmaster | WobWork: that article is so bad |
| 00:52.39 | Arrowmaster | and also so wrong about some things |
| 00:52.41 | Fisker | no your article is so bad |
| 00:52.49 | Fisker | like what Arrowmaster ? |
| 00:53.00 | Arrowmaster | top one on page 2 |
| 00:53.01 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: I couldn't make it past the first page |
| 00:53.44 | WobWork | pft lies |
| 00:54.02 | WobWork | the amount of effort required to get everyone in the raid means that only the raid leader has that level of organisation =P |
| 00:54.14 | Shirik | ok so I've taken 2 myers-briggs tests |
| 00:54.24 | Shirik | one said I was ESFJ and one said I was INFP |
| 00:54.36 | Shirik | aren't those like two complete opposites? |
| 00:55.09 | WobWork | Wait |
| 00:55.16 | WobWork | is this the Evil Shirik talking or the Good Shirik? |
| 00:55.24 | Fisker | Turn Evil (Shirik) |
| 00:55.39 | Arrowmaster | ive got a lot of attention to detail and end up remembering the tiniest of details for a very long time, but im fucking horrible at remember dates, hell half the time i dont even know what the current date or even day of the week is |
| 00:55.40 | WobWork | checks for a goatee |
| 00:55.52 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: that's what the ingame calender is for! |
| 00:56.07 | WobWork | If I didn't have the date on my watch, I'd never remember it |
| 00:56.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah but do you have trouble remembering what day of the week it is? |
| 00:57.19 | WobWork | Last week, tuesday felt like thursday |
| 00:57.23 | WobWork | but that's cause I worked the weekend |
| 00:58.03 | Arrowmaster | although i think my situation is part of the reason i have trouble with that, i stay up extremely late so the day of the week switches about halfway through my day |
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| 01:23.43 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: i am INTJ |
| 01:23.57 | Shirik | I used to be INTJ years ago |
| 01:24.06 | Shirik | interesting how the "F" came out so strongly recently |
| 01:25.27 | Thunder_Child | the strengths seem to be silly when they dont add up to 100% |
| 01:29.13 | kdtresh | 13-10 saints over colts |
| 01:29.50 | Dagmar | Motorola++ |
| 01:29.54 | Thunder_Child | kdtresh: you ever think that maybe someone didnt want to know? |
| 01:30.02 | kdtresh | obviuously the saints weren't as bored by "the who" during halftime as the colts were |
| 01:30.35 | kdtresh | Thunder_Child: if someone doesn't want to know anything, i'd assume they would extricate themselves from all aventues of information |
| 01:31.26 | Thunder_Child | kdtresh: thats silly. is it really to much to ask. it's the same as seeing a move and coming in here to tell the ending |
| 01:32.01 | kdtresh | Thunder_Child: the game isn't over, i was just coughing up an update, still 11:33 in the 3rd quarter |
| 01:32.18 | Thunder_Child | kdtresh: i dont care, i dont follow sports |
| 01:32.23 | Thunder_Child | just an observation |
| 01:32.43 | kdtresh | duly noted. |
| 01:46.18 | Dagmar | Already plenty of gay porn on the internet. No need to watch the superbowl if that's what your'e into |
| 01:46.23 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:46.26 | DWSR | This, a thousand times. |
| 01:46.55 | DWSR | LULZ. |
| 01:47.06 | DWSR | Someone just changed the GMotD to "The only downs I want to hear are bosses" |
| 01:47.25 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 01:48.16 | foxlit | oh wow, ME2 cheats. |
| 01:48.23 | DWSR | :o |
| 01:48.33 | Corrodias | it does? how? |
| 01:48.37 | DWSR | foxlit: BTW, the DLC doesn't work if your EA account hasn't unlocked it. |
| 01:48.50 | foxlit | You can spend an eternity fighting the same three enemies. |
| 01:48.59 | DWSR | foxlit: I loaded up all of the DLCs from Gamestop preorder and such and it just doesn't let me use them. |
| 01:49.04 | DWSR | foxlit: Which part are you on? |
| 01:49.13 | foxlit | DWSR: seems to be a general design feature |
| 01:49.24 | foxlit | It spawns mobs in side-rooms, and disables that once you get to a check point. |
| 01:49.27 | DWSR | foxlit: You're doing it wrong. |
| 01:49.44 | Corrodias | well fuck, ME1 didn't have spawners |
| 01:49.46 | foxlit | If you stay in the same place, you basically get a never-ending onslaught of the same three guys. |
| 01:49.46 | DWSR | There's no infinite spawn areas in ME2. |
| 01:50.13 | Corrodias | maybe you're just not killing them hard enough |
| 01:50.33 | DWSR | Haven't had that happen |
| 01:50.38 | foxlit | DWSR: two distinct places in the last hour of game time. |
| 01:50.41 | DWSR | However, I do play fairly agressively. |
| 01:51.13 | Dagmar | It would somewhat make sense to not really run out of Collectors on the Collector ship |
| 01:51.35 | DWSR | mhm\ |
| 01:52.07 | foxlit | Meh, it's somewhat cheap. What added insult to injury was that they re-enabled one of the points I thought I cleared -- it's basically a dead-end side room. |
| 01:52.35 | foxlit | It's the mercenary DLC mission at the moment. |
| 01:52.56 | DWSR | O_O |
| 01:53.00 | DWSR | Dude, that mission's such a joke. |
| 01:53.03 | DWSR | Even on Hardcore. |
| 01:53.23 | foxlit | I'm not saying it's /difficult/. I'm saying the design stinks. |
| 01:53.30 | DWSR | meh |
| 01:53.34 | DWSR | I haven't really had that problem |
| 01:53.46 | DWSR | I assume it's to encourage you to play more aggressively. |
| 01:53.52 | DWSR | which, all in all, isn't a bad thing |
| 01:54.06 | Corrodias | i'm going to miss my overpowered character when i play ME2 |
| 01:54.10 | smcn | i never encountered monster closets in me2 and a lot of the fights i was bunkered down without moving. they stop eventually |
| 01:54.17 | Corrodias | i'm replaying ME1 on Normal with my level 50+ character from my first playthrough |
| 01:54.28 | Corrodias | boom! |
| 01:54.48 | Corrodias | everybody dies. |
| 01:55.13 | smcn | my insanity playthrough in me1 was boring as shit with infinite immunity/marksman, i didn't miss it at all |
| 01:55.32 | smcn | it was like playing a ret pally |
| 01:56.25 | DWSR | smcn: that's why you play as a class that has the shotgun. |
| 01:56.32 | DWSR | And you use the Spectre versions |
| 01:56.47 | DWSR | Then you add the Heat Sink upgrade, a damage upgrade, and an ammo power of your choice. |
| 01:56.50 | DWSR | And you go to town |
| 01:57.00 | DWSR | Don't need either power, just click click boom |
| 01:58.21 | DWSR | Also, biotics aren't super overpowered anymore in ME2. |
| 01:58.32 | DWSR | Since they now all share the cooldown |
| 01:58.35 | Corrodias | oh, darn, i play a biotic ._. |
| 01:58.49 | foxlit | DWSR: well, charging in madly, blindly, and suicidally worked better. |
| 01:58.51 | DWSR | yeah, they changed it so that a biotic now has a shared cooldown |
| 01:59.08 | DWSR | Which is why I'm a soldier atm |
| 01:59.30 | Jerub | i only just discovered the gold-goldmine that is soloing all the 5man "beat monsters in an arena" quest chains. |
| 01:59.34 | Corrodias | that's fine if they don't outnumber you in every encounter at least 2:1 |
| 01:59.37 | Jerub | 300g i didn't have before :) |
| 01:59.40 | foxlit | They still spawn mobs at empty rooms *behind you*. Altogether, it still feels like I'm not doing what they intended. |
| 01:59.45 | Corrodias | abusing multiple disabling powers at once is the only way i win |
| 01:59.54 | DWSR | foxlit: You probably aren't. |
| 02:00.04 | DWSR | Corrodias: Can't really do that anymore. |
| 02:00.08 | Corrodias | that's fine if they don't outnumber you in every encounter at least 2:1 |
| 02:00.13 | DWSR | Corrodias: They always do. |
| 02:00.19 | Corrodias | then i don't see how i'm going to succeed |
| 02:00.31 | DWSR | Corrodias: New cover system's pretty good. |
| 02:00.32 | Corrodias | unless you vastly outpower enemies |
| 02:00.38 | Corrodias | enemies can use cover too. bad AI? |
| 02:00.40 | DWSR | No. |
| 02:00.49 | DWSR | Enemies will charge you |
| 02:00.59 | DWSR | They'll cover, you can pick them off with your pistol or SR. |
| 02:01.00 | Corrodias | eh. i'm going to lose. i do not succeed in fair fights. |
| 02:01.03 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 02:01.18 | Corrodias | seriously, i'm shit in competetive multiplayer things. i loathed battelgrounds and arenas. |
| 02:01.38 | DWSR | You won't have much of a problem if you play normal. |
| 02:01.39 | Corrodias | that's because it's a fair fight. if they don't give you advantages like you had in ME1, i'm going to get destroyed. |
| 02:01.54 | DWSR | If you're playing Vet or higher, you're probably going to get your ass handed to you. |
| 02:02.03 | DWSR | foxlit: BTW, You know the mission with Archangel? |
| 02:02.10 | foxlit | DWSR: yes. |
| 02:02.13 | foxlit | The AI is kind of lax on Normal, anyway |
| 02:02.13 | Corrodias | yeah. in ME1, i can handle Hardcore. |
| 02:02.18 | Corrodias | but that's okay, i'm fine with Normal. |
| 02:02.34 | DWSR | foxlit: You know when you round the corner trying to shut one of the doors and there's a fucking pyro right there? |
| 02:02.37 | DWSR | what the fuck do you do? |
| 02:02.52 | DWSR | Because it took me about a dozen tries to get him down |
| 02:02.57 | foxlit | Shotgun to the head. |
| 02:03.05 | Corrodias | i don't know what a pyro is. i'd probably Throw him if that's possible. |
| 02:03.14 | DWSR | Shotgun + Adrenaline rush? |
| 02:03.21 | DWSR | Corrodias: Flamethrower weilding enemy. |
| 02:03.27 | DWSR | foxlit: Also, are you playing on Vet? |
| 02:03.30 | DWSR | Vet or higher* |
| 02:03.35 | foxlit | DWSR: no, I'm playing on normal. Stuff just dies. |
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| 02:03.38 | DWSR | ah. |
| 02:03.38 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 02:03.40 | DWSR | Play it on Vet. |
| 02:03.43 | DWSR | That shit hurts. |
| 02:04.21 | DWSR | btw |
| 02:04.24 | DWSR | Krogan Shotgun. |
| 02:04.29 | DWSR | The one that Shepard can use |
| 02:04.31 | DWSR | Fucking win. |
| 02:04.38 | DWSR | Walk up, it falls over, no matter what it is. |
| 02:05.29 | foxlit | Mostly using the two pistols, really. |
| 02:06.12 | foxlit | Shotgun is for close-quarters, which I'd rather avoid; and I seem to forget the grenade launcher exists. |
| 02:07.35 | Corrodias | and now i have to face the decision of whether to have The Shep hook up with anybody in ME1 |
| 02:09.01 | Corrodias | the decisions that basically don't matter are the hardest, sometimes |
| 02:11.43 | foxlit | I wonder if they just random the carryover decisions at the start of 2 or if the preset is always the same. |
| 02:12.29 | Corrodias | there's always http://www.masseffectsaves.com/ if you want to make sure you get what you want |
| 02:12.42 | Corrodias | just launched the new site, i see |
| 02:14.34 | Corrodias | i just wish bioware/ea hadn't gone fucking crazy with the bonuses, promotions, and unlockables |
| 02:14.50 | Corrodias | i really, really hate that |
| 02:15.08 | Arrowmaster | it was all EAs doing |
| 02:15.40 | Corrodias | how do you know? |
| 02:16.07 | Corrodias | though the bioware execs hardly refused, obviously |
| 02:16.44 | foxlit | It's interesting how ME2 can both crash and not crash. |
| 02:17.31 | Thunder_Child | i'm having an interesting lag issue with ME2 atm |
| 02:18.44 | DWSR | Corrodias: The DLC armor actually isn't *that* great. |
| 02:18.56 | DWSR | Corrodias: I'm using the standard armor with a bunch of upgrades atm. It's actually better. |
| 02:19.28 | DWSR | foxlit: It's a preset. |
| 02:19.43 | DWSR | You always kill Wrex, you always let the council die, you always fuck ashely. |
| 02:19.45 | DWSR | ashley* |
| 02:20.58 | Corrodias | EA is a bunch of fuckholes. i really wish bioware would find another publisher. |
| 02:21.07 | Arrowmaster | they cant |
| 02:21.11 | Arrowmaster | EA owns bioware |
| 02:21.19 | Corrodias | since when? |
| 02:21.25 | Arrowmaster | while back |
| 02:21.46 | Corrodias | god damn |
| 02:22.08 | batrick | ya seriously |
| 02:22.27 | batrick | good thing they have the sense to leave bioware mostly alone |
| 02:22.39 | Corrodias | phht |
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| 02:22.51 | Arrowmaster | they claimed they wouldnt destroy the company like they do with all other developers they buy and they would let bioware do their own thing but obviously they are still pushing their goals with all this dlc and promo crap |
| 02:23.37 | Jerub | i actually see nothing wrong with what they're doing. |
| 02:23.44 | Jerub | dumb people pay for extra crap. i get that. |
| 02:23.46 | Dagmar | I do/ |
| 02:23.54 | Corrodias | it's bad for the industry |
| 02:24.07 | Dagmar | The thing they're definitely doing is making _empty promises_ to eliminate the possibility of used game sales |
| 02:24.43 | Dagmar | I generally just toss mine years later, but I'll be damned if I'll tolerate a company spinning bullshit at me for their own perceieved gains. |
| 02:24.51 | Jerub | meh, used game sales are a crock anyway. there is only the primary market and piracy. |
| 02:24.58 | Corrodias | and, if this "download manager" stuff i'm reading is any indication, piling on even more DRM so they can keep track of each part of the purchase. |
| 02:24.59 | Arrowmaster | if there is going to be preorder bonuses it should be all or nothing, none of this certain exclusive bonuses depending on who you bought it from |
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| 02:25.12 | Dagmar | Corrodias: Thankfully, that crap gets bypassed with Steam |
| 02:25.13 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:25.30 | Corrodias | indeed. although you have to wait until they get around to making a steam-compatible version. |
| 02:25.55 | Dagmar | Not if you mainly do your purchasing through Steam because you'r enot installing their retarded DRM TSR |
| 02:26.00 | Corrodias | so, is "pinnacle station" installable for the PC version from somewhere that doesn't use this EADM? |
| 02:26.31 | Corrodias | not that it sounds particularly compelling, but it'll make for a good example |
| 02:26.53 | foxlit | I find it interesting that the DA DLC seems to be better integrated. |
| 02:27.04 | foxlit | Even though DA itself is older. |
| 02:27.18 | foxlit | [Stuff like not having to download an .exe to install] |
| 02:28.09 | Dagmar | I've no problem ignoring Pinnacle Station simply because it's not available through Steam |
| 02:28.25 | Dagmar | I am *not* spending any more money to support their stupid-ass DRM |
| 02:28.27 | Shirik | DA = DeviantArt? |
| 02:28.37 | Arrowmaster | DA:O |
| 02:28.41 | Arrowmaster | dragon age |
| 02:28.45 | Corrodias | well yes, Dagmar, but it illustrates perfectly that they consider Steam a risk and don't fully support it |
| 02:28.50 | Corrodias | because they're assholes |
| 02:28.56 | Corrodias | i mean, because they care about their investments, yes |
| 02:28.57 | Dagmar | No, they consider Steam a competitor. |
| 02:29.04 | Dagmar | They want their monopoly. |
| 02:29.06 | Arrowmaster | from what ive heard, avoid the ea download manager at all costs |
| 02:29.11 | Corrodias | agreed |
| 02:31.33 | Thunder_Child | it's really sad when this has to be a post on a forum http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect/Mass-Effect-PC-Technical-Support-Spoilers-Warning/How-do-you-search-on-this-forum-1032997-1.html |
| 02:32.26 | Corrodias | holy shit, i didn't know there was a search thing |
| 02:32.47 | Thunder_Child | exactly |
| 02:38.10 | Dagmar | That and the issue with people not beating their kids. |
| 02:38.20 | Dagmar | If you have kids, BEAT THEM NOW. |
| 02:38.28 | Dagmar | The future you save could be your own. |
| 02:39.53 | Corrodias | RIGHT now. |
| 02:42.04 | DWSR | DO EET |
| 02:42.09 | DWSR | MANY KIDS |
| 02:42.10 | DWSR | HANDLE IT |
| 02:42.31 | Nechckn | Oh when the saints, go marching in... |
| 02:44.23 | tem | my entire state has just gone insane |
| 02:44.27 | tem | people are shooting fireworks |
| 02:44.32 | Nechckn | I bet |
| 02:46.32 | Dagmar | It just occurred to me... |
| 02:46.45 | Dagmar | If I were to do a five-minute PSA about beating yer kids, it would make a lot of people angry. |
| 02:46.54 | Dagmar | ...and none of those people are the type of people I care to hang out with. |
| 02:46.56 | Dagmar | Win-win. |
| 02:47.11 | Dagmar | begins writing a script |
| 02:47.26 | Thunder_Child | except for the people that try to beat you |
| 02:49.59 | Nechckn | Somehow I don't see anyone from here being asked to be in any PSAs, simply due to the "piss others off" factor. |
| 02:51.15 | Nechckn | Other than Cairenn and lopepeppy, they could do the old jello wrestling, safe sex PSA. |
| 02:52.01 | WobWork | Nechckn: in full body condoms? |
| 02:52.43 | Nechckn | Nah.. they could show a couple of dudes on the side lines wearing them, though. |
| 02:52.43 | Thunder_Child | that always brings on Naked Gun flashbacks |
| 02:53.00 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: that was my reference =) |
| 02:54.26 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/user/adblitz |
| 03:00.24 | Shirik | I am so sick of new orleans thinking they're the only ones whom ever had problems |
| 03:00.36 | Shirik | yes, we get it, there was a horrible flood. Sorry. Get over it. |
| 03:01.24 | Jerub | yeah. |
| 03:01.31 | Jerub | the great molassas flood of 1919. never forget. |
| 03:02.56 | Nechckn | So basically 2 Mardi Gras celebrations this year... must be nice. |
| 03:03.25 | Jerub | hands Nechckn a bead necklace |
| 03:04.07 | Nechckn | gives Jerub a look at the goods.. enjoy big fella. ;-) |
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| 03:11.03 | Jerub | :D |
| 03:15.24 | NightHawkTheSane | washes his eyes out with bleach |
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| 03:19.19 | Kraps | Shirik: why sometimes i cant choose either the paragon or renegade response in ME2? |
| 03:19.27 | Shirik | how should I know? |
| 03:19.32 | Corrodias | because you're almost as indecisive as me |
| 03:19.59 | Kraps | :( |
| 03:20.03 | Dagmar | Kraps: You've not made enough progress in either field to unlock them |
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| 03:20.15 | WobWork | Dagmar saves the day! |
| 03:20.17 | Corrodias | is frozen in his second playthrough at the point of deciding whether his Shepard should turn down liara. |
| 03:20.37 | Kraps | me2? |
| 03:20.44 | Corrodias | (second playthrough of me1) |
| 03:20.48 | Kraps | oh |
| 03:21.11 | Corrodias | has trouble imparting a personality upon the barren puppet of Shepard and also making a decision when they basically don't talk at all about it, just getting yes/no options. |
| 03:21.15 | Kraps | so i have to be more Renegade..ier |
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| 03:24.58 | Kraps | i'm about to confront Samara's bitch daughter |
| 03:25.42 | Jerub | has anyone played Perfect World? |
| 03:25.46 | Jerub | friend is saying she plays it |
| 03:26.07 | Corrodias | haven't heard of it |
| 03:27.02 | WobWork | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_World |
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| 03:30.16 | WobWork | . Both players will have an online notice, have a wife/husband title, have 2 special marriage-related skills, lover's clothes, and driving pets. Marriage requires two items for the bride and groom from the Cash Shop which are $30 each (30 gold in game) in Perfect World item shop currency. It is possible to divorce your spouse at the cost of 2 million in game coins to the person who initiates it. |
| 03:30.55 | Jerub | WobWork: brilliant. |
| 03:31.03 | Jerub | i like the islamic rules on divorce. |
| 03:31.24 | Jerub | the man who divorces his wife isn't allowed to remarry until the wife has remarried and subsequently divorced |
| 03:34.06 | Dagmar | Usually he just has her killed for cheating on him. |
| 03:34.33 | Dagmar | Much simpler. |
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| 03:34.51 | AbsolutRayne | Hello strangers. :) |
| 03:34.59 | Corrodias | meh. |
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| 03:48.35 | Shirik | oh god |
| 03:48.42 | Shirik | Wikipedia is considering blocking all of AOL |
| 03:49.47 | Corrodias | edits from them, not viewing, right? |
| 03:49.54 | Shirik | right |
| 03:50.19 | foxlit | anon editing only? |
| 03:50.20 | Shirik | I don't even think you can block someone from viewing (except at the server-level, of course, I mean no admins can do it) |
| 03:50.23 | Shirik | right fox |
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| 03:53.54 | Adys | This |
| 03:53.56 | Adys | is downright insane |
| 03:54.05 | Shirik | No |
| 03:54.10 | Shirik | This. Is. #wowuidev! |
| 03:54.10 | Adys | Yes it bloody is |
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| 03:55.08 | Adys | Here's the thing |
| 03:55.20 | Torhal | haste: weechat color config makes me cry |
| 03:55.21 | Adys | over the past year or so, I've used kdm and gdm alternately |
| 03:55.29 | Shirik | and determined that kdm is better |
| 03:55.33 | Adys | I've NEVER had a single problem with gdm |
| 03:55.35 | Adys | HOWEVER |
| 03:55.36 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 03:55.55 | Adys | kdm crashes. it doesn't load, it doesn't work, it stalls, it hogs, it blows jobs |
| 03:56.11 | Shirik | it blows jobs |
| 03:56.12 | Torhal | It "blows jobs", or it "blowjobs"? |
| 03:56.13 | Shirik | sounds like a winner |
| 03:56.13 | Adys | sometimes it works, I reinstall it and I think "hey, it works now, it's nice!" |
| 03:56.37 | WobWork | by "It blows jobs" |
| 03:56.37 | Shirik | why do you reinstall it if it works |
| 03:56.39 | WobWork | do you mean Steve? |
| 03:56.44 | Adys | and then, 2 weeks later, i reboot only to find a black screen with a kdm error msg, saying how it cant load a theme |
| 03:57.00 | Thunder_Child | right WobWork, because thats the only jobs out there |
| 03:57.03 | Adys | and obviously, what's the fall back when you can't load a custom theme? No, not use a builtin one, boot to console! |
| 03:57.07 | Adys | PIECE |
| 03:57.08 | Adys | OF |
| 03:57.08 | Adys | ASS |
| 03:57.19 | Adys | I reinstalled gdm, booted without issue |
| 03:57.45 | Thunder_Child | it's not kdm Adys, it's you |
| 03:58.12 | Adys | and brb, kwin is being just as bad |
| 03:58.13 | Torhal | Adys: If gdm has been working flawlessly, why keep trying kdm again? |
| 03:58.20 | Torhal | kwin makes me weep at times |
| 03:58.29 | Adys | because, gdm doesn't have a working theme on kde |
| 03:58.36 | Adys | it's hacky and ugly |
| 03:58.38 | Adys | but it works |
| 03:58.42 | Torhal | I sometimes have to restart X if switching between the desktop and WoW after a couple of hours |
| 03:58.53 | Torhal | It's always kwin going bonkers |
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| 03:59.56 | Adys | openbox is nice |
| 04:01.30 | Torhal | I need to find a term that actually supports the meta key - hitting ESC is rather annoying. |
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| 04:03.13 | Adys | Torhal: meta key? you mean super? |
| 04:03.52 | WobWork | Torhal: just swap esc/capslock |
| 04:04.32 | Torhal | Eh, it's ambiguous in this case: When using Emacs, meta is somehow Alt. When trying to use Alt from a term prog, it doesn't work: alt-D doesn't delete a word, it inserts a funny char |
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| 04:04.54 | Torhal | And with weechat, I can supposedly alt-number to switch to that buffer. I actually have to hit ESC then the number |
| 04:05.25 | Torhal | ...else it inserts a funny char |
| 04:06.36 | Torhal | From a straight tty terminal, I can ALT-D to delete a word in my input buffer, alt-K to delete the line from the cursor, etc |
| 04:07.09 | Torhal | I used to know this shit but I used Windows for too many years and lost the knowledge. Bleargh. |
| 04:11.54 | Arrowmaster | yes linux is weird, it somehow still has one more modifier key than a standard keyboard has |
| 04:12.08 | Arrowmaster | shift ctrl alt meta super |
| 04:12.49 | Torhal | I'm also searching for a terminal emulator that has proper colors. Gah |
| 04:13.13 | Arrowmaster | why whats wrong with them? |
| 04:13.40 | Torhal | Under a standard terminal, brown is an orangish brown. Under most emulators, it's yellow. |
| 04:13.49 | Torhal | Little differences like that |
| 04:14.04 | Torhal | I want the brown, and can't get it. |
| 04:14.19 | Adys | under konsole you can edit those colors |
| 04:15.02 | Arrowmaster | gnome-terminal has a color palette option or you can customize them, the linux console palette is probably what you want |
| 04:15.48 | Torhal | Adys: Thank you. Just re-attached screen to konsole and I have my brown back, and the text is properly grayish rather than "blinding white" |
| 04:16.05 | Adys | yeah gnome terminal works too |
| 04:16.20 | Adys | I prefer it to konsole, but it's being shit with fullscreen on kde |
| 04:16.32 | Torhal | ...and ALT works properly. |
| 04:16.36 | Torhal | Yay. |
| 04:16.39 | Arrowmaster | you mean meta? |
| 04:16.46 | Torhal | Whatever. It's ALT on the keyboard. |
| 04:16.55 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
| 04:17.05 | Arrowmaster | yeah but the alt key is bound to both the alt and meta modifier |
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| 04:19.16 | Torhal | Now to re-acquaint myself with the finer portions of vim, since Emacs has a horrible lua-mode. |
| 04:19.57 | Torhal | Block-quotes which contain words like "isn't" completely mess up the syntax-highlighting |
| 04:20.13 | AbsolutRayne | Anyone use Gnosis? |
| 04:23.36 | Adys | isnt the whole CoTStratholme event supposed to be skippable now |
| 04:25.27 | WobWork | I thought so too |
| 04:25.30 | WobWork | but apparently not =( |
| 04:25.40 | WobWork | or at least it was that Arthas would teleport to the town hall |
| 04:25.42 | WobWork | but he doesn't |
| 04:28.12 | NightHawkTheSane | future patch. |
| 04:30.55 | Adys | also lol |
| 04:31.06 | Adys | if you want lovely charms, solo the start cot event |
| 04:31.14 | Adys | and just spam ice lance |
| 04:35.27 | WobWork | Adys: pft |
| 04:35.30 | WobWork | Ulduar. |
| 04:35.33 | WobWork | Gauntlet |
| 04:35.38 | WobWork | You're done =P |
| 04:35.44 | WobWork | they still haven't patched that =P |
| 04:35.45 | NightHawkTheSane | there's lots of ways to cheese it |
| 04:35.56 | NightHawkTheSane | my personal favorite is having done it last yera. |
| 04:35.58 | WobWork | they hotfixed the Sholazar Giant one |
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| 05:06.51 | Yatzee | Hey, I have almost completed my UI compilation project for wowinterface.com, is there anywhere I can find some guidelines as how to write an installation instruction? I tried searching the forums but didn't find anything related :( |
| 05:07.07 | tem | oh boy another worthless compilation |
| 05:07.12 | Yatzee | : |
| 05:07.16 | Yatzee | :( |
| 05:07.57 | tem | as for installation instructions, I'd look at how other comps do it |
| 05:08.03 | Seerah | Yatzee: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21175 |
| 05:08.13 | tem | well, actually I wouldn't since I would never release a compilation |
| 05:08.18 | tem | but shrug |
| 05:08.34 | Yatzee | Thanks Seerah |
| 05:08.41 | Yatzee | why are you against comps tem? |
| 05:08.56 | tem | They cause lots of problems |
| 05:08.59 | tem | LOTS of problems |
| 05:09.25 | tem | redistributing addons (without the original author's permission, usually) |
| 05:10.39 | Yatzee | I actually took the time to ask every author for compilation permissions. |
| 05:10.39 | tem | among other things |
| 05:10.56 | Seerah | Yatzee: that's good :) |
| 05:11.21 | Yatzee | And preliminary testings show that reflux has taken care of most problems, given that the resolution is the same. |
| 05:11.42 | Yatzee | a later project would of course be to make it work for all common resolutions |
| 05:11.57 | Yatzee | but please tem, if you can think of things you don't like that Could be fixed, please do tell. |
| 05:12.27 | Torhal | Yatzee: Another problem with compilations is they tend to be "flavor of the week" and abandoned by their "author",. |
| 05:12.55 | tem | they're a maintenance nightmare |
| 05:13.07 | Yatzee | naturally any answer I could give to that would be biased by definition :( |
| 05:13.23 | Torhal | You asked :) |
| 05:13.35 | Yatzee | for things that could be fixed ;) |
| 05:14.11 | tem | I don't know if there's anything wrong with your compilation specifically, I just hate the concept of them to begin with |
| 05:15.43 | Jerub | sigh |
| 05:15.58 | Jerub | just spent the afternoon fighting btards who want to ddos australian government websites. |
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| 05:29.43 | DWSR | hey all |
| 05:31.26 | DWSR | Shirik: ping |
| 05:31.26 | Shirik | DWSR : You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. If you need something from me, please say what you need. Thanks. |
| 05:32.01 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 05:32.08 | DWSR | Shirik: Glad you got that working |
| 05:32.18 | DWSR | Any late night regs on in here, besides Fisker. |
| 05:32.19 | Shirik | did you actually need something? >< |
| 05:32.40 | DWSR | Nope |
| 05:32.44 | Shirik | ... |
| 05:33.18 | DWSR | actually. |
| 05:33.22 | DWSR | Sorta. |
| 05:33.25 | Jerub | hm, so is it worth making glacial bags? or just selling the moonshroud on the AH? |
| 05:33.29 | DWSR | Wanted to bounce some ideas off of you for a gearscore? |
| 05:33.31 | DWSR | Jerub: No. |
| 05:33.36 | DWSR | Sell the Moonshroud |
| 05:33.46 | DWSR | No one buys Glacial Bags off of the AH. |
| 05:33.50 | DWSR | They come to you with the mats. |
| 05:34.06 | Jerub | k |
| 05:34.36 | Jerub | i want a few glacial bags of my own first, but okay :) |
| 05:35.01 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut, you here? |
| 05:36.58 | ZorbaTHut | yup |
| 05:37.39 | ZorbaTHut | also yeah when you go above a certain threshold of money (around 500-1000g, in my experience), people stop buying stuff off the AH and start looking for friendly crafters |
| 05:37.51 | ZorbaTHut | the best profit is around the 50-200g range. |
| 05:37.55 | DWSR | If I'm developing my rotation addon, Ace3 or no? |
| 05:38.04 | ZorbaTHut | doesn't matter, nobody cares either way. |
| 05:38.14 | DWSR | I care, hence why I'm asking. |
| 05:38.35 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, what I'm saying is that nobody else cares ever. |
| 05:38.54 | Jerub | on my realm moonshroud is about 130g |
| 05:39.07 | DWSR | About normal. |
| 05:39.08 | ZorbaTHut | look, you're writing UI mods for people who, completely seriously, say things like "I always quit the other programs on my computer, because then WoW uses more RAM and I get less lag" |
| 05:39.19 | Jerub | didn't realise a) how annoying it is to make and b) how annoying the mats are to get |
| 05:39.33 | ZorbaTHut | none of them are going to have any vaguely logical opinion on whether Ace3 is a good thing or not, and the vast majority of people will never even realize there's a decision. |
| 05:39.57 | Jerub | for some reason ArkInventory goes insane when i open my bags in a 25man |
| 05:40.06 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 05:40.14 | Torhal | ZorbaTHut: Exacpt for the tin=foil hat folks who were once told that Ace is bad (when Ace2 was dominant) and therefore shun anything Ace-related. |
| 05:40.15 | DWSR | AI is very CPU intensive. |
| 05:40.18 | WobWork | DWSR: Use Ace3 if it makes your job easier |
| 05:40.32 | ZorbaTHut | torhal, largely, those people are about as worth paying attention to as real-life tinfoil hat people. |
| 05:40.42 | WobWork | Don't use Ace3 if you're putting in libraries and the like you don't use |
| 05:40.45 | Torhal | DWSR: Sometimes I use Ace3, sometimes I don't use anything. Depends on the project's needs. |
| 05:40.47 | DWSR | WobWork: Well, never having developed an addon before period, I'm sort of wondering if it will my make life easier at all. :P |
| 05:40.48 | ZorbaTHut | the majority of the people who come up with excuses to not use your UI mod are those who wouldn't have used it anyway |
| 05:40.51 | Torhal | ZorbaTHut: Exactly |
| 05:40.57 | ZorbaTHut | and are just scraping for whatever vaguely logical excuse they can come up with :P |
| 05:41.00 | WobWork | DWSR: It probably will make stuff easier |
| 05:41.08 | DWSR | mkay. |
| 05:41.11 | DWSR | Anyway |
| 05:41.21 | DWSR | What I wanted to talk about was coming up with a new gearscore system. |
| 05:41.22 | WobWork | Once you do use it, you'll get a better idea of whether it's really needed or not |
| 05:41.25 | Torhal | DWSR: The main point behind Ace3 is a framework for building AddOns - it does stuff behind the scenes that you'd normally have to do yourself. |
| 05:41.25 | ZorbaTHut | personally I haven't bothered with ace3, though partly that's because I found little reason to convert QH into Ace when it already worked vaguely well |
| 05:41.37 | DWSR | That's not dependant totally on gear. |
| 05:42.07 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, what do you want it to include? |
| 05:42.09 | DWSR | And I wanted to know if a) people in here would be even remotely interested in a system that will, in theory, more accurately represent a player's capabilities. |
| 05:42.22 | ZorbaTHut | interested but skeptical :) |
| 05:42.24 | DWSR | and b) if people were interested in developing such an addon anyway. |
| 05:42.41 | Torhal | DWSR: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/elitistgroup.aspx |
| 05:43.09 | Torhal | DWSR: Also http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15573-ElitistGroup.html |
| 05:44.24 | Jerub | RankWatch is the best addon evah |
| 05:44.24 | DWSR | Ah, see it's been done. |
| 05:44.30 | DWSR | Jerub: The best addon for trolling. |
| 05:44.37 | DWSR | Jerub: Just set it for raid broadcast. |
| 05:44.39 | DWSR | And watch it go |
| 05:44.51 | Jerub | DWSR: I saw that in WG |
| 05:45.03 | Jerub | someone had it set up to do that. |
| 05:45.05 | DWSR | It's like trolling without all the effort involved. |
| 05:45.15 | ZorbaTHut | RankWatch is amazing |
| 05:45.18 | Jerub | I had someone have a really hard go at me for having it on. |
| 05:45.18 | ZorbaTHut | it's not even trolling |
| 05:45.22 | ZorbaTHut | it's like a catalyst for self-trolling |
| 05:45.36 | Jerub | he hadn't bought all his level 80 skills yet because he was poor, and was using low levels of all his pvp skills. |
| 05:45.36 | ZorbaTHut | you inform them that they're making an easily fixable mistake and they start trolling themselves |
| 05:45.42 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 05:45.44 | DWSR | It's amazing. |
| 05:45.50 | Jerub | sooo many horn of winter level 1s. |
| 05:45.52 | ZorbaTHut | how can you not have enough money to buy your skills in goddamn Wrath? |
| 05:45.59 | DWSR | I dunno man |
| 05:46.07 | DWSR | Most of the time I see it it's alt-spec. |
| 05:46.16 | ZorbaTHut | I ran into a pair of people in a heroic today who were using abilities, like, four ranks below what they should be |
| 05:46.20 | Jerub | but nothing beats the paladin who said, "shit yes turn that on" when I asked permission in voa25 15 seconds before he did rank 5 blessing of might (rank at level 80 is 7) |
| 05:46.21 | ZorbaTHut | one of which was the healer |
| 05:46.31 | ZorbaTHut | completely incapable of understanding "you need to train your skills or update your bars" |
| 05:46.55 | DWSR | hehehe |
| 05:47.19 | DWSR | I think I'll create a repository now. |
| 05:47.22 | DWSR | For my addon |
| 05:47.27 | Jerub | DWSR: hg ftw |
| 05:47.40 | DWSR | Using SVN, because the Mercurial addon for Eclipse doesn't work |
| 05:48.01 | WobWork | really? |
| 05:48.07 | WobWork | that's terrible |
| 05:48.13 | WobWork | use Git instead then =) |
| 05:48.17 | DWSR | Also, Mercurial doesn't have support for externals. |
| 05:48.18 | WobWork | cause SVN is teh debil |
| 05:48.21 | ZorbaTHut | git forever |
| 05:48.29 | DWSR | No git addon for Eclipse either. |
| 05:48.54 | WobWork | why use externals? |
| 05:48.54 | DWSR | Also, Git's got shit support on Windows. |
| 05:48.54 | DWSR | WobWork: For my Ace. |
| 05:48.54 | WobWork | why use externals? |
| 05:48.54 | ZorbaTHut | git's fine if you're willing to use a CLI |
| 05:48.58 | DWSR | Don't want to have to bother having to get the packager to make a new version when Ace updates. |
| 05:49.00 | WobWork | just use the packager at the end to package it all up |
| 05:49.03 | DWSR | Just let it sort itself out. |
| 05:49.09 | WobWork | other way around =P |
| 05:49.16 | WobWork | let the packager sort it out |
| 05:49.36 | Torhal | Externals is a no-no. Use .pkgmeta |
| 05:49.39 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:49.43 | DWSR | Torhal: Yeah, I know. :P |
| 05:50.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: there's some not-too-shabby guis for git |
| 05:50.12 | NightHawkTheSane | well, okay.. gitx on OS X is rather nice.. |
| 05:50.19 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's possibly true, but honestly I do everything via CLI anyway |
| 05:50.22 | NightHawkTheSane | thats kinda it i guess. |
| 05:50.33 | NightHawkTheSane | me too, but I like GitX as it has a rather nice diff viewer. |
| 05:51.55 | DWSR | The fucking Git GUI for Windows is garbage. |
| 05:52.16 | Torhal | It's the same Git GUI for Linux |
| 05:52.21 | Jerub | DWSR: does eclipse have mercurial support? |
| 05:52.29 | DWSR | Jerub: Through an addon, yes. |
| 05:52.35 | Jerub | okay. |
| 05:52.39 | WobWork | omg |
| 05:52.40 | WobWork | http://www.olganunes.com/xkcd |
| 05:52.52 | Torhal | Once you learn how to use it, it honestly isn't bad. It just doesn't really support making tags or the more advanced features. |
| 05:53.30 | DWSR | http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/ <-- HEHEHE |
| 05:55.36 | WobWork | that's so ridiculously geeky |
| 05:55.40 | WobWork | (the xkcd link) |
| 05:55.40 | DWSR | but funny. |
| 05:55.44 | DWSR | mhm |
| 06:02.04 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/699/ |
| 06:02.06 | Adys | hahah |
| 06:03.38 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: |
| 06:05.58 | WobWork | DWSR: ZorbaTHut: |
| 06:07.31 | Shirik | wtf Adys |
| 06:07.42 | Adys | wut |
| 06:07.55 | Shirik | besides, my photography vest is way cooler than a lab coat |
| 06:07.57 | DWSR | WobWork: You use Git on Windows? |
| 06:08.06 | Shirik | actually I probably have a lab coat that fits me from back when my dad was a biochemist |
| 06:08.09 | Shirik | he wasn't fat then, lol |
| 06:09.24 | Adys | hey there are love boats in sw |
| 06:09.35 | WobWork | DWSR: no I use Hg |
| 06:11.30 | WobWork | Adys: and in UC =) |
| 06:11.37 | WobWork | it's so scenic in UC =) |
| 06:11.43 | WobWork | except I got in one |
| 06:11.46 | WobWork | and couldn't get out =( |
| 06:11.58 | WobWork | I totally missed the vehicle exit button =\ |
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| 06:23.26 | DWSR | SON OF A BITCH |
| 06:23.39 | Adys | YES WHAT IS IT |
| 06:23.41 | Adys | DO YOU NEED ME |
| 06:23.54 | Adys | HEY LOOK AT THAT |
| 06:24.04 | Adys | our messages were totally aligned |
| 06:24.10 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:24.16 | Torhal | AHMAGOD CAPSLOCK |
| 06:24.17 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 06:24.25 | DWSR | Anyone in here use Git on Windows? |
| 06:24.27 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: |
| 06:24.41 | ZorbaTHut | yup, I do |
| 06:24.55 | ZorbaTHut | incidentally if you want me to respond to pings, explain why ;) |
| 06:25.04 | Adys | shirik ping |
| 06:25.04 | Shirik | Adys : You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. If you need something from me, please say what you need. Thanks. |
| 06:25.07 | Adys | shirik ping |
| 06:25.11 | Adys | aw. |
| 06:25.18 | Shirik | I'm going to hurt you |
| 06:25.27 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: How the fuck do I add the wowace repository to my known_hosts? |
| 06:25.51 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Because git is (expectedly) erroring out because git.wowace.com does not have a cached key |
| 06:25.53 | Shirik | You stop using git |
| 06:25.55 | Shirik | that is how |
| 06:26.00 | ZorbaTHut | on cygwin, it just adds itself after the first time |
| 06:26.03 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: ping |
| 06:26.07 | Thunder_Child | :( |
| 06:26.07 | ZorbaTHut | I dunno, maybe you could manually ssh to it once |
| 06:26.23 | Thunder_Child | it's going to keep happening till you do soemthing about it Shirik |
| 06:26.26 | Shirik | It is throttled intentionally, solely because of this channel |
| 06:26.31 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I'm using git pull <repo> and it's just giving me a 'Connection abandoned' |
| 06:26.38 | Thunder_Child | like mute people because of it |
| 06:26.42 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:26.44 | ZorbaTHut | what's the full message you're getting? |
| 06:27.55 | DWSR | http://wowui.pastey.net/132645 |
| 06:28.26 | ZorbaTHut | curious |
| 06:28.28 | DWSR | I'm in the top directory of the master, and I definitely init'd the repo. |
| 06:29.11 | DWSR | run me through how to get this working? |
| 06:29.14 | ZorbaTHut | I'd almost think that those are two unrelated messages |
| 06:29.26 | ZorbaTHut | and that you don't have your public key registered at git.wowace.com properly |
| 06:29.26 | Thunder_Child | actually Shirik you should prolly do it as a prvmsg |
| 06:29.29 | WobWork | http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=298006250232&ref=nf |
| 06:29.41 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: maky, I'll start again I guess. |
| 06:29.42 | ZorbaTHut | that said, I haven't had that issue, myself. |
| 06:30.20 | DWSR | Well. |
| 06:30.22 | DWSR | I have a public key. |
| 06:30.27 | DWSR | the git GUI generated me one. |
| 06:31.15 | DWSR | I paste it into /home/repository-authorization/edit |
| 06:31.28 | DWSR | And I *should* be good to go, right? |
| 06:34.26 | DWSR | AH, here we go. |
| 06:34.38 | ZorbaTHut | I'm honestly not sure :) I go through cygwin, not through a GUI |
| 06:34.43 | DWSR | FATAL ERROR: Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available |
| 06:34.49 | DWSR | I'm using bash atm |
| 06:34.54 | DWSR | wtf is up with that |
| 06:46.20 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: fatal: '/repos/git/wow/facesmasher/mainline.git': unable to chdir or not a git archive <-- Halp? |
| 06:47.29 | ZorbaTHut | it thinks that the remote repo directory isn't valid. you're either giving it a bad path, or the server is misconfigured |
| 06:48.14 | DWSR | err. |
| 06:48.23 | DWSR | Can I git pull using the public URL? |
| 06:49.56 | Shirik | no, you can get rid of git |
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| 06:50.44 | DWSR | ~seen Kaeltan |
| 06:50.46 | purl | DWSR: i haven't seen 'kaeltan' |
| 06:50.48 | DWSR | ~seen Kaelten |
| 06:50.49 | purl | kaelten is currently on #waruidev (5d 14h 27m 38s) #sc2mapster (5d 14h 27m 38s) #wowprogramming (5d 14h 27m 38s) #wowhead (5d 14h 27m 38s) #wowuidev (5d 14h 27m 38s) #arl (5d 14h 27m 38s) #wowace (5d 14h 27m 38s) #curseforge (5d 14h 27m 38s). Has said a total of 29 messages. Is idling for 3d 8h 49m 39s, last said: ':/'. |
| 06:54.06 | DWSR | Oh, gdit |
| 06:55.55 | enum | adys, if you're there could you pm please? |
| 06:56.25 | Adys | ok |
| 06:56.25 | Adys | Shirik: see PM |
| 06:56.25 | Shirik | I have no PM you're full of shit |
| 06:56.25 | Adys | no you |
| 06:58.30 | Shirik | wow Adys wtf did you do |
| 06:58.43 | Shirik | kick me off IRC like that again I'll kick you in the nuts |
| 06:58.52 | Adys | shirik ping |
| 06:58.53 | Shirik | Adys : You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. If you need something from me, please say what you need. Thanks. |
| 06:58.58 | Shirik | I'm going to hurt you |
| 07:00.41 | Shirik | adys seriously wtf you want |
| 07:00.48 | Adys | shirik ping |
| 07:01.00 | Shirik | adys is going to get on the "never respond to this person" list |
| 07:01.02 | WobWork | my god |
| 07:01.09 | WobWork | we can't tell if Shirik is automated =( |
| 07:01.14 | WobWork | or if it's really him =( |
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| 07:01.22 | Adys | Shirik: so that means I'll be able to ping you without having you spamming back? |
| 07:01.26 | Shirik | no |
| 07:01.29 | Shirik | it means I'll put you on ignore |
| 07:01.30 | Thunder_Child | WobWork: the answer to both is yes |
| 07:01.39 | Adys | you're not fun :( |
| 07:01.47 | Adys | Im surprised Fisker didn't abuse you yet |
| 07:01.48 | Shirik | WobWork: I am actually an AI |
| 07:02.01 | Shirik | Adys: Fisker is the other person on the "never respond to this person" list |
| 07:02.06 | zenzio | we're still waiting for you to become self-aware |
| 07:02.11 | Adys | hm |
| 07:02.15 | Adys_ | shirik ping |
| 07:02.15 | Shirik | Adys_ : You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. If you need something from me, please say what you need. Thanks. |
| 07:02.17 | Adys_ | thought so |
| 07:02.17 | Shirik | I hate you |
| 07:02.21 | Jerub | Shirik: ping |
| 07:02.24 | Thunder_Child | i guess i'll be 3rd on the list |
| 07:02.32 | Shirik | that was a coincidence actually |
| 07:02.33 | Shirik | it's global |
| 07:03.09 | Jerub | is it worth my tank pushing for expertise cap (parry) |
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| 07:04.55 | NightHawkTheSane | not usually |
| 07:05.05 | DWSR | Torhal: Can I pull from a specific directory in a repository via .pkgmeta? |
| 07:05.13 | NightHawkTheSane | beyond the dodge cap, extra expertise is "nice", but don't go specifically for it |
| 07:06.07 | DWSR | i.e. can I do something like url: svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/ace3/mainline/trunk/LibStub/ ? |
| 07:07.54 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: is it not a think like hit where every % gives me that % more damage? |
| 07:08.14 | WobWork | Jerub: expertise has a cap too, doesn't it? |
| 07:09.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: technically, yes. but the cost of trying to get to the parry cap is usually way too high, you'll probably end up sacrificing too much other stats |
| 07:09.50 | DWSR | Jerub: Are you dual-wielding? |
| 07:10.02 | Jerub | no, bear. |
| 07:10.06 | NightHawkTheSane | he said tank, so.. :P |
| 07:10.17 | DWSR | Wasn't here for that, NHTS. |
| 07:10.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i assumed he wasn't the relative minority dw-frost dk tank :) |
| 07:10.29 | DWSR | NHTS: Frost tanking is all about DW now. |
| 07:10.30 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, so you weren't |
| 07:10.35 | Jerub | there's never a good reason for dps to approach expertise cap |
| 07:10.49 | DWSR | Jerub: You don't really need to expertise cap as a tank. |
| 07:10.59 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: hehe I'm a DW frost dk! |
| 07:11.05 | DWSR | Reaching the expertise cap as a tank is pretty difficult. |
| 07:11.07 | WobWork | not a terribly good one though =( |
| 07:11.20 | WobWork | I should probably regem, but I'm waiting til at least T9 |
| 07:13.59 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: well, i mean relative to other classes, and other dk specs, dw tanking is a minority |
| 07:14.17 | bleeter | Cairenn: ??? |
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| 07:18.14 | zenzio | bleeter: that's a very open question |
| 07:18.43 | bleeter | zenzio: Cairenn asked me, only with more ?'s ;) |
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| 07:22.48 | Shirik | bleeter: ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 07:24.08 | bleeter | ? |
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| 07:28.48 | Shirik | bleeter: You wanted more ?s |
| 07:28.52 | Shirik | I gave you more ?s |
| 07:29.22 | bleeter | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:29.34 | WobWork | oh man |
| 07:29.40 | WobWork | Shirik's giving away free ?'s people! |
| 07:29.48 | Shirik | only deserving people |
| 07:29.58 | WobWork | bleeter is deserving? |
| 07:30.19 | bleeter | :'( |
| 07:30.54 | WobWork | pft bleeter, hush you. You got a pile of ?'s |
| 07:31.12 | bleeter | :'('s |
| 07:31.15 | Shirik | WobWork gets 1 ? |
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| 07:41.45 | DWSR | finally got git working. |
| 07:41.49 | DWSR | And I love it already. |
| 07:41.58 | DWSR | BTW, whoever set up the commit hooks for syntax checking, I fucking love you |
| 07:42.42 | Torhal | DWSR: Now /join #wowace |
| 07:42.44 | Torhal | :P |
| 07:43.01 | DWSR | Lemme guess, commit messages go here? |
| 07:43.25 | Torhal | 331e78c: Moar syntax fixes! |
| 07:43.40 | DWSR | Indeed. |
| 07:43.51 | DWSR | Then I realized I could amend commits. |
| 07:43.58 | DWSR | hehe |
| 07:44.00 | DWSR | At least it's 3am. |
| 07:44.18 | DWSR | Which reminds me. |
| 07:44.23 | Torhal | On the east US coast, yes |
| 07:44.25 | Torhal | :D |
| 07:44.34 | DWSR | Does anyone here have a box that they can lend me for an SSH tunnel? |
| 07:44.50 | DWSR | Purely for IRC traffics. |
| 07:52.01 | Shirik | does it really need to be an ssh tunnel/ |
| 07:52.36 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 07:52.44 | DWSR | Well, something encrypted anyway |
| 07:52.59 | Shirik | I wonder if zsh can run over SSL |
| 07:53.02 | Shirik | er |
| 07:53.08 | Shirik | znc |
| 07:53.16 | DWSR | It can |
| 07:53.32 | Shirik | I could give you access to that |
| 07:53.42 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 07:53.47 | Fisker | i don't take kindly to your kind |
| 07:53.48 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 07:53.49 | DWSR | Shirik: Would be nice. |
| 07:53.57 | Shirik | I raped /b/ yesterday |
| 07:54.00 | Shirik | How do you feel now |
| 07:54.07 | Shirik | all your homies are dead |
| 07:54.15 | Fisker | k |
| 07:54.17 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: you mean Shirik: ping |
| 07:54.28 | Thunder_Child | jeez, get it right |
| 07:54.35 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 07:54.49 | DWSR | Shirik: I'd make that respond in privmsg if I were you |
| 07:55.03 | Shirik | I'll just keep adding people to the ignore list |
| 07:55.05 | Thunder_Child | thats what i said |
| 07:55.44 | zenzio | just go all the way Shirik... ignore all pings that don't have enough fancy engineering terms for you in them |
| 07:55.57 | Thunder_Child | interesting, Tricia Helfer is the voice of EDI...as well as Kerrigan |
| 07:56.11 | DWSR | Shirik: If you make it ignore everyone, why have it in the first place? |
| 07:56.19 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: THAT'S WHERE I KNOW HER FROM |
| 07:56.21 | DWSR | Thank you |
| 07:56.25 | DWSR | Her voice sounded so familiar. |
| 07:56.26 | zenzio | Thunder_Child: name doesn't ring a bell, has she done anything else? |
| 07:56.33 | DWSR | Not that I know of. |
| 07:56.39 | Thunder_Child | BSG |
| 07:56.42 | Thunder_Child | number 6 |
| 07:56.44 | DWSR | Actually, yeah. |
| 07:57.02 | DWSR | That's right, she's Starbuck, isn't she? |
| 07:57.04 | Fisker | yeah because a single time is totally spam Shirik |
| 07:57.11 | Torhal | zenzio: Burn Notice, season 2 - Carla |
| 07:57.13 | Shirik | no I just don't trust you :P |
| 07:57.30 | Thunder_Child | isnt number 6 one of the cylons |
| 07:58.03 | Torhal | DWSR: Starbuck is Katee Sackhoff |
| 07:58.05 | nevcairiel | isnt 6 the caprica cylon? |
| 07:58.09 | DWSR | Torhal: nvm. |
| 07:58.12 | DWSR | Anyway. |
| 07:58.13 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Yes |
| 07:58.24 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Thank you for telling me that. I couldn't figure out where I knew that voice from. |
| 07:58.50 | nevcairiel | Hm i don't think i recognized her as carla then |
| 07:58.53 | Torhal | DWSR: Kerrigan was a different voice actress in the first StarCraft |
| 07:58.53 | Shirik | DWSR: Is any port ok? |
| 07:59.23 | Torhal | nevcairiel: She was also in the pilot for Human Target, and in an episode of Warehouse 13 |
| 07:59.45 | Thunder_Child | DWSR: IMDB ftw. i wanted to know who did the voice for ashley...seems it's some black lady |
| 08:00.07 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Meh |
| 08:00.25 | Torhal | Oh, yeah - she was in Chuck as well |
| 08:00.51 | Thunder_Child | Carrie-Anne Moss is one of the voices as well |
| 08:01.02 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: link? |
| 08:01.14 | Thunder_Child | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1540125/fullcredits#cast |
| 08:01.20 | Thunder_Child | Aria T'Loak |
| 08:01.29 | zenzio | htm... I didn't notice Trinity was in ME2 o_O |
| 08:01.33 | zenzio | *hrm |
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| 08:02.13 | zenzio | Martin Sheen - now it all falls into place, I knew I knew the voice from somewhere |
| 08:02.14 | Thunder_Child | the most instatly obvious voice has to be jokers though |
| 08:02.34 | zenzio | really? Joker's voice actor's name didn't really sound familiar to me at least |
| 08:02.37 | DWSR | zenzio: Aria.\ |
| 08:02.40 | DWSR | That one's easy. |
| 08:02.50 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: And Illusive Man. |
| 08:02.58 | DWSR | zenzio: Seth Green? really? |
| 08:03.00 | zenzio | DWSR: I know *now*, but I didn't notice it when I heard her in-game |
| 08:03.03 | Thunder_Child | but you hear joker first |
| 08:03.21 | zenzio | DWSR: yes..? Maybe I'm just watching/playing the wrong stuff to know these people |
| 08:03.22 | DWSR | zenzio: No, I know, but I knew who it was instantly. |
| 08:03.27 | DWSR | zenzio: Probably. |
| 08:03.42 | Thunder_Child | zenzio: watch family guy? |
| 08:03.56 | Thunder_Child | gold member? |
| 08:04.05 | Thunder_Child | buffy |
| 08:04.18 | DWSR | Claudia Black as Admiral Xen. |
| 08:04.24 | DWSR | Ah, that sounded familiar. |
| 08:04.31 | zenzio | Buffy/Family Guy, nope. Gold Member, once I think |
| 08:04.49 | DWSR | zenzio: Then you've heard is voice AND seen him |
| 08:04.50 | Thunder_Child | he was dr. evils son |
| 08:04.53 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 08:05.09 | zenzio | I'm sure I've both heard and seen him several places, just not enough to remember him (apparently) |
| 08:05.42 | nevcairiel | was there some silly holiday on the weekend in the US again? |
| 08:05.55 | nevcairiel | all mah tv shows didnt air :( |
| 08:06.20 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Superbowl |
| 08:06.25 | Thunder_Child | superbowl maybe |
| 08:06.48 | zenzio | wait now... Morrigan was Admiral Xen? I must have horrific voice-memory |
| 08:07.32 | nevcairiel | who the hell is morrigan? |
| 08:07.38 | DWSR | nevcairiel: DA:O |
| 08:07.51 | nevcairiel | comparing one game character with another is really fail |
| 08:07.54 | nevcairiel | just use the actor :P |
| 08:07.56 | DWSR | not really. |
| 08:08.26 | zenzio | nevcairiel: that only works when you're familiar with the actor's name |
| 08:08.32 | zenzio | I don't usually look that up |
| 08:08.51 | nevcairiel | your comparison also only works if people have played both games |
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| 08:09.25 | nevcairiel | also, you should really recognize the voice of claudia black |
| 08:09.31 | zenzio | why? |
| 08:09.40 | zenzio | her name didn't ring a bell |
| 08:09.48 | DWSR | zenzio: Starget SG1 |
| 08:09.54 | nevcairiel | farscape, sg-1 |
| 08:09.56 | zenzio | never watched it |
| 08:09.58 | zenzio | them |
| 08:10.01 | Thunder_Child | and farscape |
| 08:10.11 | Thunder_Child | serious fail zenzio |
| 08:10.19 | Thunder_Child | start watching more good stuff |
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| 08:11.50 | DWSR | She was also in Continuum, wasn't she? |
| 08:12.03 | nevcairiel | in all the sg-1 based movies, afaik |
| 08:12.29 | nevcairiel | (which is all of them, so far) |
| 08:12.35 | nevcairiel | wonder what happend to the atlantis movie |
| 08:12.40 | DWSR | Because atlantis sucked monkey nuts. |
| 08:12.57 | DWSR | Was there another Stargate? |
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| 08:13.14 | zenzio | the only Stargate I really watched was the original movie |
| 08:13.16 | nevcairiel | universe, which just started this season |
| 08:13.18 | DWSR | aH |
| 08:14.49 | DWSR | tbh, really disappointed with how SG1 ended. |
| 08:15.01 | DWSR | lulz, we escaped mass destruction. Again |
| 08:15.02 | DWSR | bbl |
| 08:16.35 | DJJeff | yes ArkInvintory uses 25MB RAM |
| 08:16.45 | DJJeff | any way to bring that waaaaaaaaaaaaay down? |
| 08:16.50 | DJJeff | besides not using it X_X |
| 08:17.07 | Thunder_Child | are you planing on rewriting it? |
| 08:17.13 | DJJeff | no? |
| 08:17.25 | Thunder_Child | then no |
| 08:17.28 | DJJeff | cause I could switch back to a more simple addon instead |
| 08:17.39 | DWSR | DJJeff: For what AI does, 25mb isn't much |
| 08:17.47 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, what's it spending that on? |
| 08:17.51 | DJJeff | and what does it do? |
| 08:18.05 | DJJeff | Questhelper uses about 15MB |
| 08:18.22 | DJJeff | I dont see why a bag addon should be more then that |
| 08:18.32 | Fisker | ArkInventory just made you your bitch |
| 08:18.42 | DWSR | DJJeff: It has a database of every item in every bank, bag, guild bank, keyring on every toon you have it enabled on. |
| 08:18.48 | ZorbaTHut | in fairness, QH uses a *lot* of wacky tricks and compression to minimize that. :) |
| 08:18.52 | ZorbaTHut | yeah that shouldn't take 25mb. |
| 08:18.52 | DWSR | 6^ |
| 08:19.15 | DWSR | It has a *lot* of backend code to do the organization of stuff in your bags. |
| 08:19.27 | ZorbaTHut | yeah that still shouldn't take 25mb :P |
| 08:20.04 | DWSR | Heh. |
| 08:20.07 | DWSR | It doesn't bother me. |
| 08:20.12 | DWSR | Show me another addon which does everything that AI does. |
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| 08:20.31 | DJJeff | none come close |
| 08:20.36 | DWSR | Exactly. |
| 08:20.39 | DJJeff | the sorting alone makes AI nice |
| 08:21.00 | DWSR | Exactly. |
| 08:21.02 | DJJeff | I dont care about the stupid database |
| 08:21.06 | DJJeff | its the sorting |
| 08:21.09 | airtonix | Exactly\ |
| 08:21.09 | DWSR | Uhuh. |
| 08:21.14 | ZorbaTHut | oh sure, I'm not saying it's not worth using. I'm just curious where the RAM is being used. |
| 08:21.24 | Wobin | Baggins? |
| 08:21.27 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Well, it's got a huge list of every item's category. |
| 08:21.40 | ZorbaTHut | that, as well, shouldn't take much RAM :P |
| 08:21.41 | DWSR | Probably has every item in the game loaded in memory for that list. |
| 08:21.57 | ZorbaTHut | you'd be surprised how much memory that doesn't use |
| 08:22.09 | airtonix | enough to smoke salmon with ? |
| 08:22.57 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I have no idea, but still. |
| 08:23.00 | DJJeff | one thing I cant get it todo is.... when you open your guild bank for example show your bags and the bank bags in tabs X_X or side by side |
| 08:23.05 | ZorbaTHut | I mean QH's full database - quests, monsters, items, objects, achievements, location data, solid location zones, names of every object in every language - whole thing uses ~6mb for all languages, about 3mb of which is US and cross-language data. |
| 08:23.28 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: But you compress the ever-loving shit out of it. |
| 08:23.30 | DWSR | And you know it. |
| 08:23.34 | ZorbaTHut | true. :) |
| 08:23.40 | DWSR | Like, not even nicely. |
| 08:23.53 | DWSR | AI probably doesn't. |
| 08:23.58 | DWSR | I'm not saying that it couldn't be better. |
| 08:23.59 | ZorbaTHut | however, the relatively small amount that arkinventory needs shouldn't eat 25mb. |
| 08:24.09 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I have no idea, grab the source and take a look? |
| 08:24.26 | ZorbaTHut | but that assumes I'm not shockingly lazy (also, busy) |
| 08:24.38 | DWSR | indeed |
| 08:24.39 | DWSR | brb |
| 08:24.51 | *** join/#wowuidev DWSR2 (~DWSR@unaffiliated/dwsr) |
| 08:24.55 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder how many times that squirrel next to the statue in South Dalaran has been killed. |
| 08:25.07 | DWSR2 | lol |
| 08:25.41 | DWSR | There we go. |
| 08:25.45 | DWSR | Thanks a bunch Shirik |
| 08:27.00 | Shirik | np |
| 08:27.37 | DWSR | Thank you god for Git converting line endings. |
| 08:27.48 | DWSR | However, is there a way to surpress that particular warning, ZorbaTHut? |
| 08:28.04 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, there's a postcommit script with a line you can comment out |
| 08:28.19 | DJJeff | ohhhhhh im confusing AI with AckisRecipeList |
| 08:28.26 | DWSR | DJJeff: LULZ |
| 08:28.28 | DJJeff | ARL uses 25MB |
| 08:28.31 | DJJeff | not AI |
| 08:28.34 | DJJeff | (facepalm) |
| 08:28.37 | DWSR | indeed. |
| 08:28.40 | DWSR | Palm that face. |
| 08:28.40 | ZorbaTHut | how on earth does ARL use 25mb |
| 08:28.41 | ZorbaTHut | :P |
| 08:28.48 | DJJeff | no clue |
| 08:28.53 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Uncompressed vendor information? |
| 08:29.01 | ZorbaTHut | like anticompressed vendor information |
| 08:29.05 | DWSR | lol |
| 08:29.17 | ZorbaTHut | we take all our vendor information, then duplicate it four times over, for an overall compression ratio of -400% |
| 08:29.18 | DWSR | Well it has all of the recipes in the game, plus all of the vendors and places that they drop |
| 08:29.20 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/02/07/funny-pictures-joke/ |
| 08:29.41 | DWSR | zenzio: Welcome to yesterday. |
| 08:29.57 | DJJeff | I wanna make that chocolate cake that you get from shatt quest |
| 08:29.58 | zenzio | DWSR: I've been without Internet this weekend |
| 08:30.10 | DWSR | Well then, Welcome to yesterday! |
| 08:30.24 | DWSR | On the internets yesterday, nothing exciting happened. |
| 08:31.35 | airtonix | shatt is a bad nickname... |
| 08:33.10 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 08:33.41 | ZorbaTHut | y'know, I wonder. Dalaran's got all these floating statues, and they don't seem to be particularly well-anchored since they're bobbing up and down |
| 08:33.45 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder if you could just, like |
| 08:33.48 | ZorbaTHut | push them away |
| 08:33.58 | Fisker | slaps ZorbaTHut around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:34.12 | ZorbaTHut | just like give it a shove and hey there's a 40-foot-tall stone wizard gradually drifting down the street |
| 08:34.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal (~callahan@74-141-240-27.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 08:34.47 | airtonix | people still play wow? |
| 08:35.36 | Torhal | airtonix: Apparently... |
| 08:35.52 | airtonix | poor sods |
| 08:36.23 | DJJeff | AH..... AI uses about 5-7MB :) |
| 08:36.47 | DJJeff | on startup uses only 3MB |
| 08:36.49 | DJJeff | not bad |
| 08:37.02 | airtonix | lol |
| 08:37.15 | airtonix | if you care about memory usage then thats terrible |
| 08:37.32 | airtonix | but if you're being real about it then you shouldn't care about how much memory it uses |
| 08:38.21 | Torhal | Unless it keeps going up and down like a yo-yo, which at that point it's making the GC eat CPU unnecessarily |
| 08:38.32 | airtonix | i mean after the 700-800megs of ram wow takes up for itself how much do you really have left over |
| 08:39.06 | airtonix | if you have less than 50megs then you have other problems than addon memory efficiency |
| 08:39.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Ferous (~ferous.wo@97-115-34-234.ptld.qwest.net) |
| 08:39.38 | DWSR | Well |
| 08:40.02 | DWSR | When my WoW.exe runs into the fucking 2GB memory cap because the game itself is eating like 1.5GB, I dunno. |
| 08:40.17 | Ferous | Hello! :) <New Person Here> |
| 08:40.21 | DWSR | How are you? |
| 08:40.34 | nevcairiel | even then, 50mb of addon memory would've only delayed that by 10 minutes :P |
| 08:40.43 | Ferous | Good good |
| 08:40.50 | airtonix | DWSR, just highlights that there are larger problems than addon memory efficiency |
| 08:40.54 | Ferous | I just found out about this lol I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to IRC and such :P |
| 08:40.56 | DWSR | airtonix: Indeed. |
| 08:41.00 | Torhal | Ferous: Heh. I just read that thread. |
| 08:41.04 | zenzio | DWSR: your WoW uses 1.5 GB of RAM? |
| 08:41.17 | Torhal | zenzio: It can spike to that at times, yes. |
| 08:41.20 | DWSR | ^^ |
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| 08:41.49 | nevcairiel | i barely see mine over 1gb with the new texture memory management (d3d9ex engine) |
| 08:41.49 | zenzio | can't say I've watched the usage in a while, but I never saw it above 1 before, usually much lower |
| 08:42.06 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Is manager by default? |
| 08:42.14 | nevcairiel | nah, default is the old engine |
| 08:42.21 | airtonix | nevcairiel, more details please about this "new engine" |
| 08:42.32 | DJJeff | my WoW.exe uses 600MB of RAM |
| 08:42.33 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I'm stuck with OpenGL |
| 08:42.38 | DWSR | nevcairiel: hm. |
| 08:42.43 | DWSR | nevcairiel: How can I make it the new one? |
| 08:42.50 | DWSR | setEngine "d3d9ex"? |
| 08:42.59 | Torhal | gxAPI |
| 08:43.08 | DWSR | Ah, yeah. |
| 08:43.10 | DWSR | I think I applied that fix. |
| 08:43.14 | DJJeff | 60 addons loaded........... and 10fps in dalaran...... this is a new record for me..... |
| 08:43.15 | DJJeff | http://i47.tinypic.com/ei5nxf.jpg |
| 08:43.20 | DJJeff | screenshot to boot |
| 08:43.33 | airtonix | pff i used to have 180 |
| 08:43.43 | airtonix | its not the size its how you use it |
| 08:43.51 | DWSR | DJJeff: ARL is not using 25mb... |
| 08:44.02 | airtonix | BUSTED! |
| 08:44.22 | DJJeff | not right now......... cause I haven't opened it yet |
| 08:44.31 | Torhal | DWSR: If you turn on all of the datamining options, ARL can most certainly use 25MB |
| 08:44.34 | DJJeff | 3MB initial |
| 08:44.41 | DWSR | Torhal: Oh sure. |
| 08:44.58 | Torhal | And if you're not a database contributor, you shouldn't have the datamining options on at all. |
| 08:45.14 | airtonix | but i wants to be leet miner |
| 08:45.28 | Torhal | ~lart airtonix |
| 08:45.28 | purl | forces airtonix to use Outlook Express |
| 08:45.33 | Torhal | Ooh |
| 08:45.39 | airtonix | grumbles |
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| 08:47.38 | DJJeff | ok ARL only jumps to 25MB in a 5man instance |
| 08:47.52 | Wobin | o.O |
| 08:47.55 | DJJeff | starts normal at 3-5MB |
| 08:48.12 | Torhal | ...there is no reason it should do that. |
| 08:48.37 | airtonix | (? - ?)/?+?=2 |
| 08:48.40 | DJJeff | im only passing on what I see |
| 08:48.56 | airtonix | can only use 13 4 or 7 in place of ? |
| 08:49.03 | airtonix | 1, 3,4 or 7 i mean |
| 08:50.12 | DWSR | (7-3)/1+1 |
| 08:50.16 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: When I get my 1.5TB Barracuda, I'm replacing Ubuntu with Debian using the 180MB installer. Any caveats to look for? |
| 08:50.53 | DWSR | Torhal: Debian's a huge caveat. |
| 08:51.12 | Dagmar | The SeaGate label |
| 08:51.21 | Dagmar | *RUN SMART CHECKS* |
| 08:51.43 | DWSR | LOL |
| 08:51.48 | Dagmar | They're having some rather interesting firmware issues on their new drives. |
| 08:52.08 | Dagmar | No reason to assume the Barracuda line would somehow be exempt |
| 08:52.37 | Torhal | DWSR: What's your suggestion? Windows 7? :P |
| 08:52.56 | Dagmar | Serious, I just sent back a 350Gb, a 500G, AND a 1.5Tb Seagate |
| 08:53.03 | DWSR | Torhal: Actually, yes. W7 is quite nice. Assuming, however, that you're staying in the FOSS world, WTB some Gentoo or Arch. |
| 08:53.29 | Dagmar | The 500G went down in flames and almost took my data with it, and the other two also suffered from variations of the same problem |
| 08:53.35 | Torhal | FOSS isn't my concern - not hating my environment is. |
| 08:53.48 | Torhal | Dagmar: Urk |
| 08:53.59 | DWSR | Torhal: W7 is actually quite nice. |
| 08:54.05 | DWSR | Torhal: Though, Gentoo's really nice too. |
| 08:55.24 | Torhal | I'd thought of either Debian or Gentoo - I like both of their "package" systems, but wasn't sure I liked the idea of waiting for three hours after the install to compile everything. |
| 08:55.39 | Torhal | Ubuntu just keeps pissing me off with their dependencies. |
| 08:55.47 | NightHawkTheSane | odm |
| 08:55.49 | Torhal | And I refuse to go back to an RPM distro |
| 08:55.49 | DWSR | Torhal: Gentoo's really nice, actually. |
| 08:55.59 | NightHawkTheSane | isn't debian the same as ubunto, in terms of package management? :P |
| 08:56.01 | DWSR | Torhal: Compiling X and a DE isn't really that bad. |
| 08:56.03 | DWSR | NHTS: No. |
| 08:56.06 | DWSR | Ubuntu's worse. |
| 08:56.08 | DWSR | Fucking multiverse. |
| 08:56.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ah right, the multiverse |
| 08:56.29 | Torhal | They both use apt, but Ubuntu has a shitty dependency scheme |
| 08:56.45 | Torhal | Like, I can't use the latest Wine beta unless I compile it myself. |
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| 08:56.56 | airtonix | DWSR, win7 is crap |
| 08:57.01 | DWSR | airtonix: No it's not. |
| 08:57.05 | DWSR | Don't be a Linux fanboi, kthx. |
| 08:57.06 | airtonix | DWSR, yes it is |
| 08:57.12 | NightHawkTheSane | crap is a relative term |
| 08:57.20 | NightHawkTheSane | its better than just about every other version of windows yet |
| 08:57.25 | Dagmar | airtonix: Be honest man |
| 08:57.38 | Dagmar | It's not _great_, but it's definitely not as bad as it could have been |
| 08:57.39 | airtonix | DWSR, i still fell like im playing a sniper when resizing and moving window frames in win7 |
| 08:57.41 | Dagmar | All in all, Win7 is actually decent |
| 08:57.50 | DWSR | airtonix: How? |
| 08:57.52 | NightHawkTheSane | I could actually almost see using win7 as a primary os |
| 08:58.03 | DWSR | Drag to the top to maximize, to either side to make it half your screen. |
| 08:58.10 | airtonix | why do i need to have the freakn accuracy of a jet pilot just to resize a freakn window.... |
| 08:58.11 | Dagmar | It's pretty, it's stable enough, and you can get it in 64-bit flavor |
| 08:58.35 | DWSR | airtonix: You must be the least co-ordinated person on the planet. |
| 08:58.35 | Dagmar | airtonix: Stop ignoring the hints it's giving you when you move a window |
| 08:58.37 | DWSR | I have no problems with this. |
| 08:58.58 | airtonix | DWSR, linux has much easier methods to move and resize windows |
| 08:59.03 | DWSR | Like... |
| 08:59.06 | DWSR | Alt+Space? |
| 08:59.10 | DWSR | And then use the MOVE SHORTCUT? |
| 08:59.25 | airtonix | DWSR, hold alt and click drag anywhere on a window |
| 08:59.35 | Dagmar | Only thing I can figure is maybe he's using a theme with miniscule-sized handles on it |
| 08:59.49 | airtonix | DWSR, i have to install taekwindow on windows to get that feature |
| 08:59.52 | Dagmar | I use GNOME and Win7 and I don't have those problems |
| 09:00.01 | DWSR | Dagmar: You mean because the border around windows with Aero on is like freakin 8px? |
| 09:00.02 | Torhal | DWSR: Eh, it'll be a fresh install so I'll give Gentoo a run...see how I like portage |
| 09:00.14 | DWSR | Torhal: Best error messages ever. |
| 09:00.18 | Torhal | Oh? |
| 09:00.20 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 09:00.22 | DWSR | Plain english. |
| 09:00.25 | Torhal | Ah |
| 09:00.28 | Torhal | Heh |
| 09:01.03 | DWSR | airtonix: Alt+Space, M, Drag. |
| 09:01.13 | DWSR | Ok, so it's not holding alt, but it's really not that complicated. |
| 09:01.14 | airtonix | DWSR, ALT click drag done |
| 09:01.24 | airtonix | DWSR, it really is though |
| 09:01.40 | DWSR | airtonix: Also, not allowing retards to resize windows doesn't make the OS crap |
| 09:01.46 | Torhal | airtonix: Must be a Gnome thing. Doesn't work in KDE. |
| 09:01.50 | DWSR | Just makes you a retard |
| 09:01.51 | airtonix | DWSR, i cant believe a feature of X11 thats been around for nearly 20years still hasnt been replicated by windows |
| 09:02.00 | DWSR | airtonix: Because X11 isn't windows? |
| 09:02.07 | DWSR | Why must windows copy the FOSS world? Seriously. |
| 09:02.09 | airtonix | Torhal, yes it does |
| 09:02.16 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.17 | Torhal | 04:00:17 Torhal | Oh? â ajmitch |
| 09:02.19 | Torhal | 04:00:19 DWSR | Yes. â amro |
| 09:02.21 | Torhal | 04:00:22 DWSR | Plain english. â Ancu |
| 09:02.23 | Torhal | 04:00:25 Torhal | Ah â Antiarc |
| 09:02.25 | Torhal | 04:00:26 Torhal | Heh â Aqua |
| 09:02.27 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 09:02.28 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.29 | Torhal | 04:01:02 DWSR | airtonix: Alt+Space, M, Drag. â Audible |
| 09:02.31 | Torhal | 04:01:13 DWSR | Ok, so it's not holding alt, but it's really not â Babelfish |
| 09:02.34 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.35 | Torhal | 04:01:13 airtonix | DWSR, ALT click drag done â batrick |
| 09:02.38 | Torhal | 04:01:24 airtonix | DWSR, it really is though â Bibi |
| 09:02.39 | Torhal | 04:01:40 DWSR | airtonix: Also, not allowing retards to resize â bleeter |
| 09:02.42 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.42 | nevcairiel | ~epic fail Torhal |
| 09:02.43 | purl | Torhal, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Torhal, you are that epic failure. |
| 09:02.44 | Torhal | 04:01:45 Torhal | airtonix: Must be a Gnome thing. Doesn't work in â cbreak |
| 09:02.45 | DWSR | nice job Torhal |
| 09:02.45 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.47 | Torhal | 04:01:50 DWSR | Just makes you a retard â chrippa |
| 09:02.49 | Torhal | 04:01:50 airtonix | DWSR, i cant believe a feature of X11 thats been â cog|away |
| 09:02.52 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.53 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.55 | Torhal | 04:01:59 DWSR | airtonix: Because X11 isn't windows? â Corrodias |
| 09:02.57 | Torhal | 04:02:07 DWSR | Why must windows copy the FOSS world? Seriously. â Cruciformer |
| 09:02.59 | Torhal | 04:02:09 airtonix | Torhal, yes it does â cyndis ++ |
| 09:03.02 | Torhal | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 09:03.03 | Torhal | [04:02] [7] [irc/freenode] 3:#wowuidev(+Ccgnt){141}* [Act: 2] |
| 09:03.05 | Torhal | [Torhal(Zi)] |
| 09:03.07 | Torhal | Ouch |
| 09:03.09 | Torhal | That's what happens when you accidentally middle-click, folks. |
| 09:03.18 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 09:03.29 | Fisker | oh god Torhal |
| 09:03.32 | Corrodias | what client is that? i'll remember never to use it. |
| 09:03.34 | amro | that's what happens when you have a crappy client that doesn't protect from pastes |
| 09:03.40 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 09:03.44 | Fisker | not spam enough eh? |
| 09:03.50 | Torhal | Incidentally, when I tried to alt-click and drag my window all it did was highlight the screen. And then I accidentally middle-clicked. |
| 09:03.57 | airtonix | Torhal, you didnt have to press enter by the way :) |
| 09:04.03 | Torhal | I didn't |
| 09:04.05 | DWSR | airtonix: Middle-click doesn't require enter. |
| 09:04.13 | Corrodias | WeeChat? the hell is that. |
| 09:04.23 | Torhal | airtonix: The copy preserved the newlines |
| 09:04.26 | airtonix | DWSR, only if there is a crlf in the buffer |
| 09:04.35 | DWSR | airtonix: Which obviously there is. |
| 09:04.38 | Torhal | Corrodias: terminal-based |
| 09:04.39 | DWSR | Since he highlighted his screen. |
| 09:04.44 | airtonix | DWSR, btw...win7 is crap |
| 09:04.49 | airtonix | :) |
| 09:04.51 | DWSR | airtonix: btw, you're a retard. :) |
| 09:05.03 | DWSR | I'm pretty sure a monkey could resize a window in W7. |
| 09:05.13 | Corrodias | ah |
| 09:05.20 | DWSR | I'm pretty sure that two monkeys flinging shit at each other could fling the shit in such a way that they could resize a window in W7. |
| 09:05.28 | airtonix | i can resize frames in windows but its a hell of a lot easier and relaxed to do in linux |
| 09:05.29 | Corrodias | lol |
| 09:05.51 | nevcairiel | how is resizing any different on linux then it is on windows? |
| 09:05.56 | nevcairiel | grab a corner of a window, go resize |
| 09:05.58 | Torhal | airtonix: I'm pretty sure what you're describing can be handled in *BSD or even Solaris... |
| 09:05.58 | DWSR | I'm pretty sure that a fetus in some pregnant woman's womb could resize a window. |
| 09:06.13 | airtonix | also why must i waste 20% of the screen space just to accomodate a theme that gives bigger borders ? |
| 09:06.21 | bleeter | sts130's off T-9 http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ |
| 09:06.24 | bleeter | and counting |
| 09:06.40 | DWSR | airtonix: So adjust the border size? |
| 09:06.44 | DWSR | It's doable, you know. |
| 09:06.48 | airtonix | DWSR, or use taekwindow |
| 09:06.50 | DWSR | And what the fuck are you talking about 20% of your screen space? |
| 09:07.08 | DWSR | I have the HUGE taskbar icons and it doesn't take up 20% of my screen |
| 09:07.13 | DWSR | What are you using, 640x480? |
| 09:07.22 | airtonix | DWSR, because i dont use aero theme, i switch it back to the default win98 look |
| 09:07.30 | DWSR | So adjust the border size? |
| 09:07.48 | nevcairiel | I wonder why people like living in the last century |
| 09:07.54 | DWSR | The win98 theme a) looks like shit and b) provides a bunch of features that you're complaining about? |
| 09:07.58 | airtonix | DWSR, i dont want the affair of resizing a window to feel like playing a sniper in modern warfare |
| 09:08.04 | imbrandon | i have used linux for years, even develop for ubuntu, play wow and develop uiaddons for it etc all in linux, but i fail to see why one must be so acclimate about the os to other users ... |
| 09:08.28 | DWSR | airtonix: I'm pretty sure you should be using the Aero DE, mostly because everything you're bitching about is fixed. |
| 09:08.47 | DWSR | So you're complaining about W7 for no reason, purely because you think the Win98 theme makes you feel l33t, or something |
| 09:09.02 | airtonix | DWSR, so if i use a aero de i can hold alt and click drag to move or resize a window without aiming at the borders or title ? |
| 09:09.28 | DWSR | airtonix: No, but you definitely don't need to feel like you're playing MW. |
| 09:09.40 | DWSR | I just dragged a window around my desktop using my penis. |
| 09:09.44 | DWSR | Literally. |
| 09:09.48 | DWSR | My Flacid penis can, all by itself. |
| 09:09.53 | DWSR | Click-Drag a window around the screen |
| 09:09.55 | DWSR | And even resize it. |
| 09:10.03 | DWSR | So are you saying that you, sir, do not have a penis? |
| 09:10.08 | Dagmar | I don't think anything you're going to say will have any meaning until he decides to be reasonable |
| 09:10.25 | DWSR | No, but it's fun to point out the fact that I can literally use my flacid penis to resize windows in W7. |
| 09:10.54 | Dagmar | See, we really don't need to know that |
| 09:11.00 | DWSR | But you do now. |
| 09:11.03 | DWSR | And it can't be unknown. |
| 09:11.18 | Dagmar | It *can* be trumped. |
| 09:11.22 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o eir] by ChanServ |
| 09:11.23 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-q *!*@80.191.254.198] by eir |
| 09:11.23 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-q *!~kiyannN@*] by eir |
| 09:11.24 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o eir] by eir |
| 09:11.31 | DWSR | That's not really my problem. :P |
| 09:11.36 | DWSR | O.o? |
| 09:11.46 | Dagmar | Someone could make it happen tho. You gotta think about things like that |
| 09:11.53 | Dagmar | :) |
| 09:12.01 | DWSR | Dagmar: If someone trumps it, you're still the ultimate loser. |
| 09:12.13 | Corrodias | windows makes it too easy to resize them, if anything. i hate when i accidentally resize a window. |
| 09:12.25 | Corrodias | my borderline neurosis makes me upset if i can't get it back to the way it was. |
| 09:12.27 | DWSR | Corrodias: inorite? |
| 09:12.40 | DWSR | Corrodias: I mean, how hard is it to drag a window to the top of the screen to maximize? |
| 09:12.48 | DWSR | Or to the side if you want it to do half the screen? |
| 09:13.12 | DWSR | Sure is hard. |
| 09:13.20 | Babelfish | Stop injecting your silly logic into his W7 hate. |
| 09:13.31 | DWSR | Is it too.....logical? |
| 09:13.43 | DWSR | ONE DOES NOT SILLY LOGIC INTO W7 HATE |
| 09:14.15 | airtonix | DWSR, i just press super+numpad9 to move windows to the top right corner of the screen :) win7 only has left or right nothing else. |
| 09:14.38 | DWSR | airtonix: You're right. X11 has more customization available than Explorer. |
| 09:14.41 | DWSR | W7 is not shit. |
| 09:14.46 | airtonix | DWSR, or i can press super + q and the window moves to the point under my mouse |
| 09:14.58 | DWSR | Just because it doesn't conform to your every desire immediately. |
| 09:15.05 | airtonix | and it never will |
| 09:15.17 | DWSR | No, and as soon as you accept that, you will become immediately happier with Windows. |
| 09:15.18 | Dagmar | WM != OS |
| 09:15.26 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 09:15.32 | airtonix | Dagmar, but apparently compiz doesnt run on windows |
| 09:15.38 | DWSR | No shit. |
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| 09:15.46 | Corrodias | what is compiz and why does it have a bad name? |
| 09:15.49 | airtonix | Nor does X11 |
| 09:15.54 | DWSR | airtonix: Actually. |
| 09:15.58 | DWSR | X11 compiles and runs under cygwin |
| 09:16.02 | DWSR | So yeah, fuck you |
| 09:16.10 | DWSR | Corrodias: WM for X11. |
| 09:16.14 | Corrodias | fuck me, i need it |
| 09:16.23 | Corrodias | also, i need more food. |
| 09:16.24 | airtonix | DWSR, no. it does not do so to the point where every single app in win7 uses x11 instead.. |
| 09:16.35 | DWSR | airtonix: Of course not. |
| 09:16.41 | DWSR | Because you can't replace explorer. |
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| 09:16.45 | Corrodias | replace dwm with x11, eh, that's an interesting idea |
| 09:16.47 | airtonix | DWSR, which is pretty fail |
| 09:16.53 | DWSR | airtonix: No it's not... |
| 09:16.56 | airtonix | yes |
| 09:16.58 | DWSR | How? |
| 09:17.28 | Corrodias | as i recall, earlier versions of windows did let you replace the shell |
| 09:17.36 | Corrodias | i briefly toyed with the idea, but i liked explorer too much |
| 09:17.55 | Corrodias | i don't know about the newer ones |
| 09:17.58 | airtonix | Corrodias, you can still replace the shell but the shell is not the window manager |
| 09:18.02 | imbrandon | ok enough is enough, i'm a fucking linux developer and dont come here for this shit, take the linux/windows debate to an appropriate chan PLEASE |
| 09:18.13 | Corrodias | right, well, not much to say about that |
| 09:18.16 | DWSR | imbrandon: Errrr. |
| 09:18.20 | DWSR | This is the appropriate chanenl. |
| 09:18.21 | airtonix | lol |
| 09:18.23 | nevcairiel | x11 isnt the linux window manager either, you guys have everything screwed up anyway |
| 09:18.27 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 09:18.39 | DWSR | imbrandon: I like both Linux and Windows. |
| 09:18.40 | DWSR | Honestly. |
| 09:18.45 | DWSR | The fanboism is just rediculous. |
| 09:18.50 | DWSR | On both sides. |
| 09:18.54 | imbrandon | it is? seems to me this is the wowuidev chan not lets fucking fight over linux/windows |
| 09:19.04 | Torhal | Fucking nerd rage through three pages of scrollback. |
| 09:19.15 | airtonix | you're calling it fanboism...im just irate that windows doesn't allow me to resize and move window frames like i can in linux |
| 09:19.40 | DWSR | airtonix: You blatantly called W7 shit. |
| 09:19.55 | DWSR | For no reason other than it doesn't have your keybinds set up in exactly your preferential manner. |
| 09:19.58 | DWSR | That's fanboism. |
| 09:20.11 | airtonix | yes, so apart from the user interface changes in win7 what else is changed that makes it better than previous versions ? |
| 09:20.22 | DWSR | imbrandon: You think we develop addons in here? |
| 09:20.25 | Torhal | The thing that bugs me the most about this conversation is that X11 and its capabilities aren't restricted to fucking Linux. |
| 09:20.29 | licio | hey guys, i'm still struggling with my editmacro problem: if i update a multiline macro (seperated by \n) in lua and run it ingame, it'll "say" part of the macro in chat. if then i copy that very macro by hand into a new macro slot, everything works fine. any ideas what i am doing wrong? thanks |
| 09:20.45 | DWSR | licio: You tried adding a \n to the end of the string? |
| 09:20.46 | imbrandon | ugh, no , but we dont discuss windows/linux bigotry either |
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| 09:21.07 | airtonix | lol |
| 09:21.08 | licio | yes DWSR, \n after each line |
| 09:21.15 | DWSR | airtonix: Apart from all of the UI changes, which is what W7 was mostly about? |
| 09:21.33 | airtonix | DWSR, those interface changes are that great to be honest |
| 09:21.38 | airtonix | are not * |
| 09:21.55 | DWSR | in your opinion. Your opinion is fine, as long as you can back it up with a decent reason. |
| 09:22.02 | Babelfish | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7 |
| 09:22.04 | DWSR | Blatantly calling W7 shit is not an opinion. |
| 09:22.12 | airtonix | I mean they are handy, but they are still a iota of what we've been enjoying in linux for quite some time |
| 09:22.56 | airtonix | Some of them are just annoying, like automatically maximising a window when it touches the top of the screen |
| 09:23.23 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
| 09:23.25 | DWSR | Aero-shake"? |
| 09:23.28 | DWSR | airtonix: You can turn that off. |
| 09:23.33 | DWSR | I didn't know you could shake a window |
| 09:23.42 | NightHawkTheSane | what does shaking it do? |
| 09:23.47 | airtonix | i didn't say anything about shake |
| 09:23.48 | DWSR | THAT'S AWESOME |
| 09:23.52 | nevcairiel | minimizing everything else |
| 09:23.57 | DWSR | NHTS: Minimizes everything else. |
| 09:24.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i think DWSR is referring to the lnk |
| 09:24.04 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. |
| 09:24.07 | NightHawkTheSane | thats actually pretty nifty. |
| 09:24.08 | Babelfish | I find it pretty useless, but I don't use the desktop. |
| 09:24.24 | nevcairiel | yeah i dont use it either |
| 09:24.28 | nevcairiel | if i want the desktop i press win-d |
| 09:24.31 | airtonix | can it be bound to a key instead of having to shake it ? |
| 09:24.41 | NightHawkTheSane | for a second, i thought "gee, that'd be handy on os x" but then i remember i have expose. |
| 09:24.46 | airtonix | ^^^ |
| 09:24.58 | NightHawkTheSane | still, its a neat idea. |
| 09:25.16 | airtonix | would be great to have it bindable to a key |
| 09:25.34 | DWSR | OH SHIT |
| 09:25.35 | Babelfish | win-d |
| 09:25.41 | DWSR | These keyboard shortcuts are awesome. |
| 09:25.47 | DWSR | Babelfish: Win+D is minimize all... |
| 09:25.51 | DWSR | And has been for years. |
| 09:27.46 | Corrodias | could someone send me a mass effect 2 (PC) save file? |
| 09:27.54 | DWSR | Win+tab is really nice too. |
| 09:28.01 | DWSR | Corrodias: www.masseffectsaves.com |
| 09:28.34 | Corrodias | they haven't made the ME2 saves available yet, and won't until the searchable database is in place. |
| 09:29.07 | Corrodias | if they're even taking submissions for them already. |
| 09:29.09 | Babelfish | ahah |
| 09:29.16 | Babelfish | keyboard shortcut for shake is win+home |
| 09:29.17 | Corrodias | i want to look at the file structure, not use it for playing. |
| 09:29.22 | Fisker | i'm just gonna hate you |
| 09:29.31 | DWSR | yes, Babelfish |
| 09:29.37 | DWSR | I still like Win+Tab |
| 09:29.40 | DWSR | anyway, I'm off to bed. |
| 09:29.41 | DWSR | Night all. |
| 09:29.49 | licio | bye DWSR |
| 09:30.14 | Torhal | Fisker: Your hate is overrated. |
| 09:30.39 | Torhal | haste: Fooo! weechat doesn't protect against accidental pasting :P |
| 09:30.40 | Corrodias | hmph. i'm having trouble finding anybody who has the pc version and is willing to talk to me. |
| 09:31.15 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:31.50 | haste | Torhal: yes it does, but not one-liners |
| 09:32.23 | Torhal | haste: Well, I highlighted my screen and accidentally middle-clicked - it was all dumped to channel |
| 09:33.56 | Fisker | repeatedly stabs haste |
| 09:34.00 | Fisker | your client sucks btw Torhal |
| 09:34.07 | Torhal | Weird. Just tested it in another channel and it worked - I actually had to hit ctrl-n to not paste |
| 09:34.17 | Torhal | Fisker: It was recommended by haste |
| 09:34.21 | Torhal | Indirectly, but still |
| 09:41.40 | airtonix | xchat imo...doesnt send anything to channel until you press enter |
| 09:42.09 | Corrodias | do none of you have mass effect 2 for PC or are you just not willing to share games with me? :< |
| 09:42.30 | airtonix | not willing to share it... |
| 09:43.00 | Corrodias | *saves |
| 09:44.55 | Fisker | you were given a link earlier Corrodias |
| 09:44.56 | Fisker | l2p |
| 09:45.06 | Corrodias | and i explained why that was useless to me earlier |
| 09:45.07 | Corrodias | l2r |
| 09:45.41 | Corrodias | short recap: they only have me1 saves |
| 09:45.47 | airtonix | cbf |
| 09:46.02 | Fisker | gotta retaliate with mandatory your mother statement |
| 09:46.12 | airtonix | you wouldn't |
| 09:46.19 | Fisker | your mother |
| 09:46.41 | zenzio | Corrodias: finished game saves or what? |
| 09:47.24 | Corrodias | no, i just want any old ME2 save so i can look at the file structure |
| 09:47.49 | zenzio | interesting, you looking to tweak the values? |
| 09:48.31 | Corrodias | i just want to see how similar they are to ME1 saves, and so what information i know is relevant to pass on to the guy developing a save editor |
| 09:48.57 | zenzio | if I get my Internet connection running at home, I could send you one of my saves |
| 09:49.57 | Corrodias | i'd appreciate it. |
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| 10:08.34 | ZorbaTHut | I hate being top on the damage meters. I have absolutely no business being there, I haven't geared up in so long that I'm twenty ilvls behind most people |
| 10:10.31 | Fisker | slaps ZorbaTHut around a bit with a large trout |
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| 10:12.47 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut, sounds like failraid |
| 10:13.09 | Adys | I like people who aren't on top of dmg meters |
| 10:13.16 | Adys | most of them haven't turned into complete dickwads yet |
| 10:14.32 | Fisker | i link damagemeters after every trashpack and unnessecarily keep people waiting until my cooldowns finish after every trashpack |
| 10:14.45 | Fisker | like misdirect mobs to the healer |
| 10:16.36 | Wobin | man |
| 10:16.45 | Wobin | that wasn't even trying to be classy troll =( |
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| 10:30.51 | haste | Torhal: have you turned it on :p ? |
| 10:31.07 | haste | Torhal: weechat.look.paste_max_lines |
| 10:31.15 | haste | Torhal: 0 is currently off, anything higher is the limit |
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| 10:39.07 | Torhal | haste: It's on at 3 lines (default). I don't know why it didn't work when I pasted a screenful into this channel, but I tested on an empty channel and it asked me if I was sure (control-y for yes and control-n for no) |
| 10:41.35 | haste | Torhal: afaik the code checks for newlines in your message, and just counts them to figure out how many lines it is |
| 10:41.58 | haste | Torhal: if there aren't any weechat automatically splits your message into proper pieces, maybe it's a bug there |
| 10:42.27 | haste | Torhal: that being said, he usually fixes bugs like within a day after they are reported |
| 10:42.33 | Torhal | haste: Aye, could be. Though it worked when doing the same exact thing in another channel. I highlighted the entire window then middle-clicked |
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| 10:42.54 | haste | I'm just guessing so :p |
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| 10:43.01 | Torhal | All I know is this is easier to set up than irssi and it's very light resource-wise |
| 10:43.19 | haste | and it looks better |
| 10:43.22 | Torhal | And I can screen it! |
| 10:43.24 | olafski | irssi is heavy? |
| 10:43.25 | Torhal | Yes |
| 10:43.27 | Torhal | olafski: No |
| 10:43.42 | olafski | I like my irssi with olafski.theme :< |
| 10:43.44 | Torhal | A GUI IRC client using 60MB is heavy |
| 10:43.59 | Torhal | This is using less than 10, and I'm sure far less CPU |
| 10:44.02 | olafski | yeah probably :P I still wouldn't care I think |
| 10:44.14 | olafski | I'm used to irssi, wouldn't mind if it took up 200MB |
| 10:44.23 | olafski | then again, it's not running on my pc so hell, 2GB would be fine ;) |
| 10:44.32 | Torhal | Hah |
| 10:44.44 | olafski | but then I guess the guy whose PC I'm using for it would ask me to use another client ;) |
| 10:44.54 | haste | weechat uses 16M RES here |
| 10:45.09 | haste | with like 90 days uptime and one upgrade |
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| 10:50.39 | jnwhiteh | I need trinkets for my resto druid |
| 10:52.00 | jnwhiteh | Purified Lunar Dust would be a +64 ilevel upgrade |
| 10:52.05 | jnwhiteh | and very functionally upgraded =) |
| 10:52.25 | jnwhiteh | +79 spell power, and the proc =) |
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| 11:12.25 | DJJeff | Reasons why blizzard cant code..... |
| 11:12.29 | DJJeff | Reason #1 |
| 11:12.30 | DJJeff | http://i48.tinypic.com/2z7mng7.jpg |
| 11:12.38 | DJJeff | (sigh) |
| 11:13.44 | foxlit | That is cologne you're wearing? |
| 11:15.00 | haste | Reasons why DJJeff can't read achievement texts..... |
| 11:15.03 | haste | Reason #1 |
| 11:15.05 | haste | see above |
| 11:15.22 | Wobin | hehe |
| 11:15.29 | Wobin | try doing what the quest -says- |
| 11:16.20 | DJJeff | ahhhhhh |
| 11:16.23 | DJJeff | (sigh) |
| 11:16.28 | DJJeff | (facepalm) |
| 11:17.09 | DJJeff | how could you tell it was calogne |
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| 11:18.42 | olafski | lol |
| 11:19.44 | Wobin | DJJeff, the shape of the bottle |
| 11:21.35 | foxlit | (your buff icons are visible) |
| 11:22.21 | haste | (and color) |
| 11:23.06 | olafski | that would've been funnier with some guild chat rage |
| 11:23.12 | olafski | or even better, raid chat rage ,) |
| 11:23.25 | Wobin | raid chat rage is always entertaining |
| 11:23.55 | olafski | especially when it's about people trying to complete a quest |
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| 11:27.44 | DJJeff | well I got some perfume and got the stupid achievement X_X |
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| 11:33.39 | olafski | stupid achiement or user? >_< |
| 11:33.49 | olafski | it really wasn't that hard.. granted I did it on alliance and last year ;) |
| 11:36.15 | haste | stupid users |
| 11:36.18 | haste | the text is quite clear |
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| 11:38.07 | olafski | I think they should buff the reputation gains for TBC heroics |
| 11:38.15 | olafski | seems much faster to just clear them on normal atm :< |
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| 12:22.02 | foxlit | "DropDownList2Button13Icon's Fire Shield fades from [you]." |
| 12:22.35 | foxlit | That dropdownlistbuttonicon is such a rebuffing slacker. |
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| 12:29.28 | foxlit | grr, SetItemRef. |
| 12:31.13 | foxlit | Hook it directly, and combat log will taint a heckload of stuff with its own hook. |
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| 12:38.58 | Cairenn | bleeter: I had been asking about your FB comment, about your family |
| 12:45.32 | ScytheBlade1 | gg @ xkcd |
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| 13:52.12 | Wobin | huzzah |
| 13:52.33 | Wobin | I got the Vile Fumigator's Mask |
| 13:52.36 | Wobin | looks awesome on a tauren |
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| 14:11.48 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:12.09 | Fisker | this time it took me like 5 kills |
| 14:12.10 | Wobin | incapacitates Fisker with the Fumigator's mask |
| 14:12.20 | Fisker | i'm not so sure that life's worth living anymore |
| 14:15.51 | mikma | meh |
| 14:16.04 | mikma | the ending cinematic is just another cliffhanger |
| 14:16.13 | Fisker | everyone are so mean to me Wobin |
| 14:16.21 | Fisker | "Oh so you think you can undercut me with 1 copper?" |
| 14:16.29 | mikma | wobin: SS please! |
| 14:16.31 | Fisker | "Prepare to be undercut by 10g!" |
| 14:16.33 | Fisker | :( |
| 14:17.50 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
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| 14:19.05 | Wobin | hm, it doesn't show the backpack in the char screen |
| 14:19.06 | Wobin | one sec |
| 14:19.53 | olafski | does seem kinda cool.. maybe I should do that boss after all |
| 14:20.21 | Wobin | http://screencast.com/t/NWFlMWNhNDYt |
| 14:21.12 | Wobin | http://screencast.com/t/NWRkNGQzMTY |
| 14:21.23 | mikma | blah, i want that :( |
| 14:21.26 | Fisker | oh sweet you get that thing on the back |
| 14:21.30 | Fisker | got the pet though |
| 14:21.31 | Fisker | it's awesome |
| 14:21.38 | olafski | pet?! jebus now I have to do it |
| 14:22.04 | Fisker | it's an oozeling |
| 14:22.12 | Fisker | this one eats up critters |
| 14:22.15 | mikma | fisker: apparently the pet does something |
| 14:22.16 | mikma | hehe |
| 14:22.26 | Fisker | it gets bigger up to 3 times |
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| 14:22.54 | Fisker | MIDDLETOWN, Conn. â A Connecticut fire official says at least 95 percent of the nearly 100 workers who were at a power plant that exploded are accounted for. <-lulz? |
| 14:25.58 | nevcairiel | just a gas plant, nothing to worry about |
| 14:26.56 | nevcairiel | must've been hell of an explosion, though |
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| 14:27.59 | zenzelezz | annoying wireless router... must set up a computer as gateway x.x |
| 14:28.29 | zenzelezz | "oh, you changed a setting? We'll have to reboot" |
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| 14:52.04 | Wobin | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/022010/teen_lesbian_pregnancy.gif |
| 14:53.21 | Wobin | also |
| 14:53.22 | Wobin | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/022010/small_vancouver%20olympics%20mascots%20fail.gif |
| 14:53.38 | Wobin | Polish newspaper publishes the 4chan version of the 2010 Winter Olympics mascots =P |
| 15:00.31 | olafski | lol @ lesbian pregnancy |
| 15:00.46 | Lopeppeppy | what? What's funny there? |
| 15:00.54 | olafski | well if it's true it's kind of sad :< |
| 15:01.22 | Lopeppeppy | It's very true. I know an adult woman actually who just went through that, so it's not limited to confused teenaged girls. |
| 15:01.34 | olafski | she got pregnant just to not be labelled as a lesbian? |
| 15:01.39 | Lopeppeppy | And males deal with it all the time too. |
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| 15:02.14 | cbreak | I thought only worms and plants could do that |
| 15:02.21 | Lopeppeppy | Have babies? |
| 15:02.31 | cbreak | have same sex babies |
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| 15:02.57 | olafski | I assume they are not same sex babies in this case |
| 15:02.57 | Lopeppeppy | cbreak, you're being deliberately obtuse. :P |
| 15:03.21 | Lopeppeppy | Besides, frogs and bees can do it too, IIRC. |
| 15:03.39 | olafski | oO |
| 15:03.43 | olafski | don't bees have a queen? |
| 15:03.47 | olafski | and frogs just have two genders |
| 15:04.19 | olafski | I thought the queen has to be "impregnated" somehow in order to lay huge amounts of eggs.. but could be that that's wasps or ants though |
| 15:08.50 | Fisker | Wobin my arch nemesis |
| 15:08.53 | Fisker | btw nevcairiel |
| 15:08.56 | Fisker | you didn\t get it |
| 15:08.58 | nevcairiel | wat |
| 15:09.17 | Fisker | Why do you talk in percent when dealing with the number 100? :P |
| 15:09.28 | nevcairiel | nearly 100! |
| 15:09.51 | nevcairiel | he didnt talk in absolutes, probably didnt have them |
| 15:10.00 | Lopeppeppy | Only counts in horseshoes and hand grendades |
| 15:10.12 | olafski | I'd probably still not have used percent in that case |
| 15:10.42 | olafski | not like it matters much.. 95% of nearly 100 or 95 of nearly 100 is pretty much the same I'd say |
| 15:11.55 | Lopeppeppy | the subtle difference could be statistically significant. |
| 15:12.28 | Fisker | i'm gonna give you a horseshoe to the face |
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| 15:15.23 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 15:17.27 | Seerah | snow day! snow day! |
| 15:17.49 | nicoli_s | snow day here too! |
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| 15:19.30 | Seerah | tackles Cairenn and throws a snowball at her :) |
| 15:20.01 | Cairenn | oofs, falls over, snags a handful of snow and washes Seerah's face with it |
| 15:20.20 | Seerah | you missed it. snow day! snow day! |
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| 15:20.33 | Cairenn | hehhehe |
| 15:20.44 | Ackis | I'm in a fowl mood today |
| 15:21.00 | Seerah | feeling chicken? |
| 15:21.07 | Cairenn | throws ducks at Ackis |
| 15:21.13 | Ackis | quack quack |
| 15:21.27 | Seerah | throws snowballs at Ackis |
| 15:21.44 | Ackis | hey not fair! |
| 15:22.55 | Cairenn | you're such a silly goose |
| 15:23.27 | Lopeppeppy | HAWHNK! |
| 15:23.31 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a Boston goose. |
| 15:26.01 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:26.05 | Cairenn | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 15:27.30 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Cairenn. |
| 15:27.40 | Cairenn | morning Lopeppeppy :) |
| 15:28.33 | Ackis | I have about 20 frogs at my desk |
| 15:28.57 | Lopeppeppy | I love the little fingernail sized peeper frogs. |
| 15:29.59 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:30.12 | Fisker | you think you're cool enough for me Ackis ? |
| 15:30.58 | Ackis | Fisker: I'm better than you! |
| 15:36.28 | Ackis | anyone watch the puppy bowl/ |
| 15:36.46 | Ackis | http://ow.ly/14SdA |
| 15:37.41 | mikma | is that like Whack-a-kitty? |
| 15:38.35 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, I did watch it. Sadly, it wasn't as long this year as in previous years, even with the addition of the hamster hovermobile and the bunny cheerleaders. They had to re-run it too much. |
| 15:38.43 | Cairenn | Shadowed: ping? |
| 15:38.55 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I don't have animal planet :( |
| 15:41.12 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. Puppies bounced. They had hamsters in the control room, which was the "blimp flying overhead". Bunnies for cheerleaders, and the kitty halftime show we missed seeing. |
| 15:42.22 | Ackis | OMG A POM |
| 15:43.24 | Cairenn | as in a Pomeranian? |
| 15:43.29 | Ackis | yes |
| 15:43.33 | Cairenn | (good reason to not watch it :p ) |
| 15:43.37 | Seerah | Ackis is obsessed with Poms |
| 15:43.48 | Cairenn | those are dogs |
| 15:43.52 | Cairenn | those are rats on strings |
| 15:44.09 | Cairenn | aren't |
| 15:44.50 | Ackis | WHAT?!?!?! |
| 15:45.04 | Lopeppeppy | There was an oversized lab puppy, but most of them were small breeds, Cairenn. Beagle, spaniel, etc. |
| 15:45.22 | Cairenn | well at least beagles & spaniel springers are dogs |
| 15:45.29 | Ackis | Seerah: my fiancee got me hooked on pom's |
| 15:45.33 | Ackis | aka got one |
| 15:45.42 | Seerah | I know :) |
| 15:45.47 | DWSR | http://media.fukung.net/images/15663/speed_trap.jpg |
| 15:45.56 | DWSR | good morning |
| 15:46.01 | Cairenn | DWSR: ROFL |
| 15:46.04 | Cairenn | morning |
| 15:47.05 | Cairenn | Ackis: at least Poms are more dog-like than most of the rats-on-a-string |
| 15:47.15 | DWSR | Hey now. |
| 15:47.24 | DWSR | I have a shoodle at home. |
| 15:47.31 | DWSR | He is a teddy bear, not some rat on a string. |
| 15:47.44 | Cairenn | do I even want to ask what the hell a "shoodle" is? |
| 15:47.48 | DWSR | Shitzu poodle. |
| 15:48.14 | Ackis | Cairenn: I admit, he looked like a rat when we bathed him |
| 15:48.49 | Cairenn | (with certain very specific exceptions) - if their shoulders don't come to at the very least my knee, they aren't dogs |
| 15:48.55 | Ackis | http://tweetphoto.com/10740717 <-- CUTE :D |
| 15:49.03 | Ackis | I want a great dane |
| 15:49.06 | Ackis | big, lazy dog |
| 15:49.08 | Ackis | just like me |
| 15:49.37 | Cairenn | the smaller "working" & "sporting" breeds being the exceptions |
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| 15:50.22 | DWSR | http://is.gd/7WFC7 <-- Caireen |
| 15:50.25 | DWSR | Cairenn* |
| 15:50.32 | Cairenn | what can I say, I grew up with Chow Chows, German Shepherds and Rotties |
| 15:51.00 | Lopeppeppy | A good working terrier after rats is a sight to behold. |
| 15:51.08 | Ackis | I grew up with a geram shepherd next door, my dog wondered over to where it was chained up and had its throat ripped out |
| 15:51.09 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: "working" |
| 15:51.17 | Cairenn | Ackis: :( |
| 15:51.23 | Cairenn | that's terrible, I'm sorry to hear it |
| 15:51.46 | Ackis | my dog lived thankfully but that german shepherd would've ripped my throat out if I got to near to it |
| 15:53.02 | DWSR | ZOMG! http://is.gd/7WGdN |
| 15:53.14 | Cairenn | doesn't admit that she secretly thinks the pictures of DWSR's shoodle and Ackis's Pom are actually kinda cute |
| 15:53.48 | DWSR | Cairenn: lulz. That picture was taken when he was about 8 months old. He's a little bit bigger now, and every bit as cute. :) |
| 15:55.10 | Ackis | Cairenn: http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1680/39/125/512851685/n512851685_1320831_3717.jpg |
| 15:55.13 | DWSR | [10:53:34] <kromar5959> how can i start the 64bit cmd.exe from a bat file? <--- Really? |
| 15:55.19 | Cairenn | Ackis: heh |
| 15:56.03 | DWSR | http://is.gd/7WGX2\ |
| 15:56.06 | DWSR | http://is.gd/7WGX2 * |
| 15:56.24 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/8TL0A.png <-safe for work |
| 15:56.26 | Cairenn | lol, love the caption :p |
| 15:57.43 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, does Peppy have to machine-gun a bitch around here to get things to stop happening that should not happen? |
| 15:57.49 | Ackis | it was funny last night, when the super bowl trophy was presented my kitten jumped up to the tv and pawed it |
| 15:58.04 | Cairenn | Ackis: awww |
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| 15:58.54 | Arrowmaster | somebody make it stop |
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| 15:58.57 | Arrowmaster | make this horror stop |
| 15:59.01 | Ackis | here you go Cairenn: http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs005.snc1/2815_76712711685_512851685_1844313_6679495_n.jpg :P |
| 15:59.29 | Arrowmaster | stupid MCSE book is so bad |
| 15:59.32 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:59.41 | Arrowmaster | "Extreme Markup Language (XML)" |
| 15:59.46 | DWSR | O_O |
| 15:59.50 | Arrowmaster | headdesks |
| 15:59.56 | DWSR | DUDE. |
| 15:59.58 | DWSR | It's EXTREME |
| 16:00.02 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: I (sort of) feel your pain - listening to my hubby go through them |
| 16:01.14 | Arrowmaster | and these stupid review questions at the end of each chapter are fucking impossible to do without reading ahead since they ask stuff about future chapters |
| 16:01.42 | cbreak | Typically microsoft |
| 16:01.46 | cbreak | embrace and extend :/ |
| 16:02.03 | Lopeppeppy | Or maybe the chapters used to be in a different order. |
| 16:02.19 | cbreak | just wait until they create eXtreme HTML or eXtreme JavaScript :/ |
| 16:02.22 | Arrowmaster | no its just bad writing |
| 16:03.16 | Cairenn | which series are you using Arrowmaster? |
| 16:03.46 | Arrowmaster | thomson course technology 70-299 |
| 16:04.30 | Cairenn | trying to remember which ones hubby used when he was working on his certs |
| 16:05.20 | Cairenn | they *were* all on the shelves here right beside me, but he recently moved them all |
| 16:05.42 | Arrowmaster | i dont even want a stupid MS cert, just taking this class for a CNSS 4011 cert |
| 16:05.58 | Cairenn | nod |
| 16:06.37 | Cairenn | ah, so it's the assigned textbook from the class? |
| 16:06.52 | Arrowmaster | well its a class for an MS cert |
| 16:07.12 | Arrowmaster | but i get a CNSS 4011 cert for taking these 6 classes |
| 16:07.24 | Cairenn | nod |
| 16:10.29 | Fisker | i killed you Arrowmaster |
| 16:17.12 | Ackis | so one of my hard drives is giving me errors (system will freeze, I'll reboot, then the intel matrix thing will say "error occurred"). I've tried running two SMART diagnostics, however because I'm on a raid array they won't work, the bootable DOS one I tried, well it won't get past the OS loading. Any ideas/suggestions on how I can diagnose what's wrong? |
| 16:17.15 | robotusch | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.15 | robotusch | [16:57:18] <Ackis> it was funny last night, when the super |
| 16:17.18 | robotusch | ARGH |
| 16:17.19 | robotusch | my bad |
| 16:17.23 | robotusch | copypasta fail |
| 16:17.31 | robotusch | http://sarth3d.dk/WoWScrnShot_020710_190900.jpg <- I see dead Fisker |
| 16:18.23 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: well you could go into your bios change change it from raid to compat mode and the boot thing should work |
| 16:19.21 | Fisker | you wouldn't robotusch |
| 16:19.21 | Arrowmaster | change it back to raid and hope it works before going back into windows though |
| 16:19.56 | Ackis | the "hope it works" causes me some trepidation |
| 16:20.09 | Arrowmaster | fake raids are like that |
| 16:20.25 | Arrowmaster | i hosed mine trying to flash my harddrive firmware |
| 16:20.39 | Ackis | elaborate on "fake raids" please? |
| 16:21.19 | Arrowmaster | fake raid = any raid done by an onboard controller, its not a hardware raid and not a pure software raid |
| 16:21.29 | olafski | anyone know how I might get TellMeWhen to register the glyph of life tap buff? the icon never shows up :< |
| 16:21.43 | Arrowmaster | its controlled by the bios but all the work is done in software drivers |
| 16:21.45 | olafski | ackis: also known as Hybrid RAID :) |
| 16:21.49 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: ahh ok |
| 16:22.04 | Ackis | I was actually thinking of getting rid of my raid when I redid the system next |
| 16:22.09 | DWSR | olafski: Buff's called Life Tap. |
| 16:22.37 | olafski | dwsr: I entered that.. but when tellmewhen is "shown" (e.g. unlocked) the icon is shown semi transparent, while my working icons aren't |
| 16:22.46 | olafski | when I lock it, it won't show up, whether the buff is present or absent |
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| 16:24.35 | Ackis | Arrowmaster, olafski: would the software raid still be faster than two independent drives? noticeably faster? |
| 16:24.46 | Ackis | eh why am I asking, I use my PC for facebook and twitter now only lol |
| 16:24.48 | olafski | if it's implemented properly |
| 16:24.55 | olafski | mine wasn't |
| 16:25.16 | olafski | I used a hybrid raid 1 (I think), should be faster at least for reading if they did it right |
| 16:25.34 | Ackis | JMicron® JMB363 PATA and SATA controller <-- that's what I has on my motherboard |
| 16:25.51 | Ackis | gah I'm gonna have to find the manual to dick around with jumpers/cable locations/etc :| |
| 16:26.16 | olafski | oO |
| 16:26.20 | Arrowmaster | stop using it asap |
| 16:26.30 | Arrowmaster | jmicron controllers can not be trusted |
| 16:26.32 | olafski | can't you just "remove" the array and have two drives again? |
| 16:26.55 | Ackis | olafski: reformat/etc yes but I'd have to plug them in elsewhere on the mobo |
| 16:27.28 | DWSR | Ackis: No you wouldn't. |
| 16:27.29 | olafski | oO |
| 16:27.34 | DWSR | You just turn off RAID in the motherboard. |
| 16:27.43 | olafski | you should be able to use that as a normal IDE/SATA controller :< |
| 16:27.56 | Ackis | DWSR: if they're plugged into the raid controller won't I have to move them? |
| 16:28.06 | Arrowmaster | if you take it out of raid mode in the bios and unplug one drive, the other one will work fine, although you might need a windows cd to repair it by doing fixmbr |
| 16:28.15 | DWSR | Ackis: Your motherboard is providing the raid, correct? |
| 16:28.48 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: wait are you using raid 1 or 0? |
| 16:28.59 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: striping not mirroring |
| 16:29.06 | Arrowmaster | then you cant |
| 16:29.07 | DWSR | Ackis: RAID1 |
| 16:29.15 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 16:29.18 | Arrowmaster | striping is raid 0 |
| 16:29.24 | DWSR | err, yes, sorry. |
| 16:29.28 | DWSR | headdesks |
| 16:29.31 | Ackis | yeah for me to convert to two independent drives I'll need a format/etc |
| 16:29.32 | olafski | :) |
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| 16:29.46 | olafski | didn't you notice any speed difference btw? |
| 16:29.53 | olafski | would be relatively easy to check :) |
| 16:30.05 | Ackis | I haven't used a non-raid system in years olafski |
| 16:30.08 | olafski | I'd hope that with raid1 you'd get at least a 50% increase.. else it's hardly worth the risk |
| 16:30.11 | olafski | ah |
| 16:30.17 | Arrowmaster | you mean 0 |
| 16:30.19 | olafski | yes |
| 16:30.21 | olafski | I meant 0 :P |
| 16:30.30 | olafski | I had a raid1 and there was no performance gain at all |
| 16:30.47 | Shirik | that's because raid1 doesn't give you a performance gain |
| 16:30.52 | Ackis | raid 1 == data redundancy, raid 0 == speed correct? |
| 16:30.58 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: it can, on reading |
| 16:31.02 | DWSR | Ackis: Yes. |
| 16:31.04 | Shirik | ok fine |
| 16:31.06 | DWSR | Shirik: It does on reads. |
| 16:31.09 | Ackis | then you have things like raid 0+1 and 5 and shit like that |
| 16:31.11 | Shirik | don't say "it does" |
| 16:31.12 | Shirik | it can |
| 16:31.27 | DWSR | Shirik: Assuming a properly implemented RAID setup, it does. |
| 16:31.33 | olafski | yeah.. I would have assumed it would improve read speed |
| 16:31.35 | Shirik | you assume a lot |
| 16:31.44 | olafski | but as I said, it wasn't implemented properly :) |
| 16:31.46 | DWSR | Shirik: Since RAID's a standard....not really. |
| 16:32.08 | Shirik | Ther'es nothing in the RAID standard saying how to do anything. The standard is a set of requirements, nothing more. Requirements NEVER say HOW to do something, only WHAT to do. |
| 16:32.13 | Shirik | IEEE 830 and all that |
| 16:32.50 | Arrowmaster | it depends, if its doing data integrity checking it wont because its reading both drives and making sure they are both the same, if its not then it could be created to read alternatively from each drive |
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| 16:33.18 | olafski | hm yeah.. good point, it could have been doing that, I wouldn't know |
| 16:33.21 | olafski | I split it up now anyway |
| 16:33.30 | olafski | backups beat that stuff ,) |
| 16:33.34 | Shirik | get raid 5 anyway :P |
| 16:33.38 | Ackis | so uhh jmicron bad, I can disable raid in bios, and... penis? |
| 16:33.38 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 16:33.50 | Arrowmaster | if its not a hardware raid it likely wont ever provide a speed increase on raid1 |
| 16:33.55 | DWSR | Ackis: If you're using R0, you're boned as soon as you turn off RAID. |
| 16:34.18 | Ackis | DWSR: I know my data will be gone when I lose my disk |
| 16:34.28 | Ackis | but that means i can't test then? |
| 16:34.38 | DWSR | Ackis: You won't be able to use the drives at all with RAID off. |
| 16:34.42 | Arrowmaster | if you dont try to boot into windows you might be able to |
| 16:34.56 | Ackis | bleh, sounds like I need to just say "fuck it" |
| 16:35.04 | DWSR | Ackis: Not in Windows, anyway. You might be able to save the disks using dd or something similar under *nix. |
| 16:35.12 | Arrowmaster | just dont do what i did and unplug one without disabling it in the bios first |
| 16:35.26 | Ackis | I don't care about the data on my disks anyways, well 99% of it |
| 16:35.36 | Ackis | only thing of value to me there is my DRM licenses |
| 16:35.37 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: You mean, don't hot swap disks that aren't hot swappable? |
| 16:35.44 | Ackis | which I can't back up |
| 16:36.29 | Ackis | this is why I'm liking my xbox better than my PC :( |
| 16:36.31 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: no i was going to flash them using a boot disk and since you are supposed to only have one drive conencted at a time when flashing i unpluged one then tried to go into my bios to disable the raid but forgot the raid bios loaded before the bios goes into setup |
| 16:36.50 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Fail design. |
| 16:37.18 | Arrowmaster | it would have worked if i went into the bios and disabled raid then turned it off and unpluged one |
| 16:40.07 | Torhal | Ackis: Where the hell did you get those profession bitmaps? |
| 16:40.17 | Ackis | Torhal: magic |
| 16:40.21 | Ackis | http://ca.asus.com/Product.aspx?P_ID=0e9NyGEDLjtBRtyB is my mobo btw |
| 16:40.25 | Ackis | it has ram that has led's on it |
| 16:40.26 | Ackis | shiny |
| 16:40.29 | Torhal | Ackis: Don't make me stab pompy. |
| 16:40.41 | Ackis | Torhal: stab pompy and I'll tell you |
| 16:40.47 | Torhal | Damn it! |
| 16:41.23 | Ackis | :) |
| 16:41.31 | Ackis | Torhal: I have bigger issues! My PC is blowing up! |
| 16:41.33 | Ackis | eek! |
| 16:41.50 | Shirik | Ackis: Why does your mobo have ram |
| 16:41.50 | Torhal | Ackis: Just sell it for more than you bought it and get a new one. Fixed. |
| 16:42.28 | Arrowmaster | they are Seagate drives arent they? |
| 16:42.39 | Ackis | western digital |
| 16:42.42 | olafski | my gf got a mail from newsletter@email.blizzard.com.. is that a normal address or a phish? we can't find any "wrong" links in the email |
| 16:42.45 | Arrowmaster | bah i should have known |
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| 16:43.15 | Arrowmaster | mentions his 72% failure rate of WD drives less than 5 years old |
| 16:43.38 | Ackis | yeah I'm having a nice failure rate as well :| |
| 16:43.45 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: This is why I have been buying SeaGate for over a decade |
| 16:43.56 | Ackis | tries to msn Torhal |
| 16:43.57 | Torhal | Though I hear their newer stuff is wonky |
| 16:43.59 | Ackis | fails |
| 16:44.16 | Ackis | user Torhal is an idiot |
| 16:44.16 | Arrowmaster | yeah they 7200.11 and newer seagates are horrible |
| 16:44.19 | Ackis | s/idiot/offline/ |
| 16:44.49 | Torhal | stabs Ackis with pompy. |
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| 16:44.51 | Arrowmaster | im trying to stick to samsung drives now |
| 16:45.11 | olafski | to each his own right |
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| 16:45.23 | Ackis | I had a few IBM drives fail on me as well iirc |
| 16:45.23 | olafski | I have another guy telling me never to buy samsung because they _always_ break |
| 16:45.43 | olafski | I've been buying whatever brand is cheapest and never had a HDD die |
| 16:45.54 | Shirik | I don't know wtf happened to Seagate |
| 16:45.59 | Shirik | They used to be geniuses with hard drives |
| 16:46.17 | Shirik | They were the only ones I know of that used glass in their drives because of the quality |
| 16:46.19 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: now they are just rebranded maxtors |
| 16:46.26 | Shirik | and then they threw that down the drain |
| 16:46.39 | Shirik | Their 5 year warranty was actually reasonable; they had a reason they could offer that |
| 16:46.59 | nevcairiel | I havent had problems with seagate 7200.12, the .11 just had a broken firmware |
| 16:47.42 | Arrowmaster | the 1.5tb 7200.12's had horrible firmware too, if you tried to use it in a raid they would freeze up and the raid would think they died |
| 16:48.26 | nevcairiel | a friend of mine runs 5 of those in a raid5, and never had problems |
| 16:48.33 | nevcairiel | eh, 4 of them |
| 16:48.59 | Fisker | thanks a lot Shirik |
| 16:49.10 | olafski | nevcairiel: both of these things could be called anecdotal evidence I guess ;) |
| 16:50.15 | nevcairiel | i have a seagate, a samsung and two WD right now, all run fine :d |
| 16:50.37 | Arrowmaster | the original firmware on the 1.5tb's had issues but they released an update, i dont know if its completely fixed or just fixed enough to not cause catastrophic failures like it originally did |
| 16:50.49 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: they STILL haven't fixed that? it started on the effing 7200.10 1.5tbs |
| 16:51.15 | nevcairiel | afaik it was fixed a long time ago, maybe arrow just got the versions confused |
| 16:51.29 | Arrowmaster | oh it was the 7200.10? |
| 16:51.36 | olafski | I have samsung, hitachi, maxtor and WD drives.. all work fine :) |
| 16:51.45 | olafski | the samsung is the most quiet though |
| 16:51.55 | Arrowmaster | probably since you can only find 7200.12 1.5tbs now |
| 16:52.31 | Shirik | you're welcome Fisker |
| 16:52.42 | Torhal | grumbles. |
| 16:52.47 | Arrowmaster | so yeah 10 and 11 firmware = shit |
| 16:52.50 | Arrowmaster | no clue about 12 |
| 16:52.51 | Ackis | pees on Torhal |
| 16:53.03 | Torhal | I just checked what I ordered last night: Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1.5TB Hard Drive |
| 16:53.07 | Torhal | Yay. |
| 16:53.16 | Torhal | stabs Ackis repeatedly with a brick. |
| 16:53.19 | DWSR | Use SMART checks. |
| 16:53.26 | nevcairiel | they even sell you the .11 still? |
| 16:53.31 | nevcairiel | kinda fail shop you orderd from |
| 16:53.31 | Dagmar | You can thank the fine people from Maxtor for it |
| 16:53.37 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: SMART is what killed the .11's |
| 16:53.44 | Thrae | Torhal: Oh goodie, you ordered the same HDD I hate. But maybe yours will have better firmware. |
| 16:53.52 | Torhal | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Sku=TSD-1500AS%20SY |
| 16:54.05 | nevcairiel | the .11 series is the broken one |
| 16:54.08 | nevcairiel | .12 works fine again |
| 16:54.08 | Thrae | Arrowmaster, DWSR: There's a firmware fix for that, since the C series firmware. |
| 16:54.13 | Dagmar | You can get a firmware upgrade to prevent the firmware from eating itself now tho' |
| 16:54.34 | Ackis | wow 1.5 TB's for $100? |
| 16:54.35 | olafski | any curse admin here, this guy is spamming all sorts of addon with the same message: http://wow.curse.com/members/seo0gui.aspx |
| 16:54.40 | Ackis | I have 2x500gigs :| |
| 16:54.43 | olafski | or will some kind of bot automatically find that? |
| 16:54.47 | Torhal | Ackis: :D |
| 16:54.54 | Adys | we got 1.5tb external for ~$110 |
| 16:54.59 | olafski | queue people spamming how many hdds they have ;) |
| 16:55.30 | Thrae | Mine came with the C series firmware and the only problem I have with it is that it takes a while to boot up when its inactive. Some crappy power-saving technique. When it completely spins down due to inactivity, it makes a "clicking" noise before it spins back up, which takes it about 30 seconds or so to become active. |
| 16:55.41 | Ackis | my network storage device thingy have 2x1TB's in Raid1... that's good right? |
| 16:55.50 | nevcairiel | i generall turn off hdd powersaving |
| 16:55.55 | Ackis | olafski: looks like he was dealt with |
| 16:55.55 | nevcairiel | those delays drive me mad |
| 16:55.58 | Thrae | I just use it for storage anyway, so it's no biggie. |
| 16:56.12 | Thrae | Well my RAID0 have the power-saving stuff turned off. |
| 16:56.21 | Thrae | s/RAID0/RAID0s/ |
| 16:56.30 | olafski | ackis: oh, ok :) |
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| 16:56.54 | Cairenn | tackles Lunessa |
| 16:56.58 | Lunessa | Station |
| 16:57.01 | nevcairiel | I stopped using RAID0 a while ago, if i ever need moar speed, i'll buy a ssd |
| 16:57.06 | Lunessa | huggles Cairenn. |
| 16:57.07 | nevcairiel | besides, the new drives are already pretty fast |
| 16:57.30 | Ackis | nevcairiel: you missed the discussion about raid0/raid1 improving speeeed |
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| 17:00.31 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 17:00.34 | Fisker | want to make out? |
| 17:00.41 | Ackis | sure |
| 17:00.42 | Fisker | k |
| 17:00.47 | Ackis | licks Fisker all over |
| 17:00.49 | Ackis | mmmm chicken. |
| 17:00.51 | Ackis | :P |
| 17:00.59 | Arrowmaster | Timing cached reads: 18538 MB in 2.00 seconds = 9279.77 MB/sec |
| 17:01.00 | Arrowmaster | Timing buffered disk reads: 1698 MB in 3.00 seconds = 565.84 MB/sec |
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| 17:12.11 | Torhal | Oh, WTF. Apparently I bought their last one. I just noticed the page says "THIS ITEM IS CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE" |
| 17:13.26 | cbreak | Raid0 increases the chance that you get bit errors exponentially. |
| 17:13.38 | cbreak | just as base for discussion :) |
| 17:13.41 | nevcairiel | Torhal: they had to find some fool to send the old one too |
| 17:13.43 | nevcairiel | -o |
| 17:13.49 | Torhal | FOO! |
| 17:14.26 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 17:14.40 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 17:16.37 | Lopeppeppy | No am allowed to killing the sheeps? |
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| 17:18.25 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:18.55 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you fisker, I needed a massage |
| 17:19.18 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: now you stink like fish |
| 17:19.23 | Lopeppeppy | .... *snark* |
| 17:19.32 | Cairenn | snickers |
| 17:19.57 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. That. |
| 17:19.57 | Ackis | could be worse... Fisker could've touched you itself |
| 17:20.19 | Lopeppeppy | oh no, Cairenn knows where Peppy goes, oh yes. |
| 17:20.34 | Cairenn | *dws* |
| 17:20.41 | Lunessa | .... not going there |
| 17:22.14 | Cairenn | but why ever not Lunessa? |
| 17:22.18 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 17:22.25 | Lunessa | Not in public anyway. :) |
| 17:22.30 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:22.31 | Cairenn | coward |
| 17:23.01 | Lunessa | :D |
| 17:27.39 | Lopeppeppy | What's the opposite of a voyeur? |
| 17:27.51 | Lopeppeppy | Or opposite of an exhibitionist, I should say. |
| 17:28.01 | Ackis | prude? |
| 17:28.14 | Cairenn | discreet ;) |
| 17:28.27 | durcyn | a fundamentalist, pick any religion. |
| 17:28.38 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa is discreet! |
| 17:28.57 | Lunessa | *winks* |
| 17:29.14 | Ackis | btw my fowl mood has turned into a full blown foul mood :| |
| 17:29.37 | Lopeppeppy | Me too. I'm gonna kill a sheeple. |
| 17:30.19 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Is Lunessa "discreet", or "discrete", or both? |
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| 17:31.00 | Torhal | hides from the Ackis Nerd Rage. |
| 17:31.15 | durcyn | in this context, discreet is appropriate |
| 17:31.25 | Ackis | Torhal: I'm beyond nerd rage :| |
| 17:31.48 | durcyn | discreet = circumspect, discrete = unique |
| 17:32.00 | Torhal | durcyn: But he can't be both? |
| 17:32.05 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa is indeed both. |
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| 17:32.20 | Torhal | Ackis: You know what will fix it, right? Plenty of thermite. |
| 17:33.18 | Ackis | mmm thermite |
| 17:33.21 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, bombs. |
| 17:33.42 | durcyn | why are you nerdraging, Ackis |
| 17:33.52 | Ackis | I'm not nerd raging |
| 17:34.14 | Torhal | durcyn: His hard drive is nomming itself. |
| 17:34.33 | durcyn | oh, you bought a seagate, didn't you |
| 17:34.36 | Lunessa | Thermite? For me? I promise I won't break it this time! |
| 17:34.49 | Torhal | durcyn: Hush. I just ordered one |
| 17:35.29 | Ackis | durcyn: no, it's a western digital :P |
| 17:35.35 | Lopeppeppy | This was a bad computer weekend. My boss's computer is eating itself, my laptop battery fried, Ackis' hard drive is eating itself, what else? |
| 17:35.43 | zenzelezz | haha, http://www.dieselsweeties.com/lj/norway-vs-sweden.gif |
| 17:36.03 | nicoli_s | my laptop battery died too Lopeppeppy |
| 17:36.19 | nicoli_s | the world is definitely coming to an end |
| 17:36.23 | durcyn | oh, well, they all have bad batches every once in a while. the first rule of hard drives is, if you only have one copy of something then it doesn't exist |
| 17:36.32 | Lopeppeppy | I thought at first it was the whole thing, omg, that was scary. Just the battery though, get a new one if it won't re-charge. |
| 17:36.35 | durcyn | also, sucks to be you, canadian. |
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| 17:37.00 | Ackis | oh I'm not worried about my data |
| 17:37.12 | Ackis | everything is backed up onto a network storage device |
| 17:37.21 | cbreak | ... which might fail tomorrow |
| 17:37.27 | Lopeppeppy | I need one of those backup plans. Yup. |
| 17:37.30 | Ackis | it has redundant hard drives in it |
| 17:37.33 | cbreak | (due to meteorite shower) |
| 17:37.36 | Ackis | :P |
| 17:37.53 | durcyn | the second rule is, if all of your copies exist in the same location, well, give up |
| 17:37.53 | Ackis | only thing I can't back up is my DRM licenses |
| 17:38.01 | cbreak | a guild member of mine had his screen spontanously stop working this morning |
| 17:38.20 | cbreak | doesn't have any DRM licenses. Too much hassle. |
| 17:38.54 | Torhal | Dogmatic Residual Madness, yes. |
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| 17:47.02 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/ghostbusters_desktop.jpg |
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| 17:51.43 | Ackis | ok seagate = bad, western digital = bad, SSD = expensive.... |
| 17:51.53 | durcyn | they're all bad, Ackis |
| 17:52.22 | durcyn | and actualy WD's been pretty good the past few years |
| 17:52.23 | Ackis | hitachi/ |
| 17:52.40 | durcyn | hitachi inherited the DeathStar name =P |
| 17:52.48 | zenzelezz | I've stuck to Samsung Spinpoints for a while |
| 17:53.23 | Ackis | durcyn: so the hitachi brand is good and blows shit out of space? :P |
| 17:54.09 | Ackis | SEAGATE 1.5TB Barracuda 7200.11 SATA II w/ 32MB Cache <-- 11 firmware is bad or something? |
| 17:54.25 | Ackis | http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/Computers%28ME%29/ComputerComponents%28ME%29/HardDrives%28ME%29/SerialATAHardDrives%28ME%29/Default.aspx?Sort=Price_Asc is my choice list :P |
| 17:56.07 | durcyn | Ackis: no, hitachi's global storage technologies group bought ibm's hard drive division, have you already forgotten the click of death |
| 17:56.08 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone know a program similar to Microsoft OneNote for taking notes in that way? Freeware a serious bonus... |
| 17:56.22 | durcyn | Lopeppeppy: platform? |
| 17:56.51 | zenzelezz | durcyn: click of death? Surely that was the Iomega Zip Drive. Deskstars just died |
| 17:56.55 | Lopeppeppy | Windows again. |
| 17:57.17 | Ackis | durcyn: ohh they did |
| 17:57.24 | Ackis | durcyn: I had one of those! |
| 17:57.30 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: thats what im trying out now, raid class ones though with 7yr warranties |
| 17:57.31 | durcyn | i had one that failed. |
| 17:57.45 | durcyn | zenzelezz: oh, am i getting 'death' storage terms confused? |
| 17:58.03 | durcyn | Lopeppeppy: http://lifehacker.com/399556/five-best-note+taking-tools |
| 17:58.06 | zenzelezz | durcyn: I believe so... though I know what you mean about the Deskstars |
| 17:58.36 | zenzelezz | durcyn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_of_death - it seems it's used for both |
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| 17:58.54 | Lopeppeppy | Kiss kiss durcyn, I had that tab open already, hadn't gotten there yet! Great minds and all. |
| 17:58.56 | durcyn | it was certainly appropiate in both cases. |
| 17:59.09 | durcyn | that ibm drive was -loud- when it went |
| 17:59.44 | Ackis | SEAGATE 1.5TB Barracuda 7200.11 SATA II w/ 32MB Cache vs Seagate 1TB Barracuda 7200.12 SATA II w/ 32MB Cache (aside from size)... what's the 7200.11 vs 7200.12 mean (7200 == rpm)? |
| 17:59.48 | zenzelezz | durcyn: hm... my Deskstar didn't click, it just died... I think. So long ago now |
| 18:00.23 | durcyn | Ackis: it's obviously a 2012 year-model hard drive. what, are you still driving an old '09? chump. |
| 18:00.32 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: actually no from what i remember, seagate's 2tb drive was a '7200' but was really a 5400 or 5900 rpm drive |
| 18:01.20 | zenzelezz | eh? They faked the speed? |
| 18:01.34 | Arrowmaster | no they never claimed it was a 7200 rpm drive |
| 18:01.40 | durcyn | you sure that wasn't their 'green' drive? |
| 18:01.49 | Arrowmaster | 7200 seems to just be a brand name |
| 18:02.17 | Ackis | on both the product info pages for the drives it says 7200 rpm's |
| 18:02.18 | Lopeppeppy | They let you delude yourself. |
| 18:02.56 | robotusch | sigh |
| 18:03.03 | robotusch | finally fishing up all those fish feasts pays off |
| 18:03.14 | Lopeppeppy | Fishes are good dishes? |
| 18:03.25 | robotusch | I got mah turtle just now :3 |
| 18:04.04 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, turtles! |
| 18:04.06 | Arrowmaster | ok maybe they arent listing the not 7200 rpm drives as '7200.XX' |
| 18:04.10 | Arrowmaster | i swore they were |
| 18:04.48 | Arrowmaster | i blame it on the class work im doing right now, everybody knows windows security stuff turns your brain into mush |
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| 18:05.37 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 18:05.45 | Arrowmaster | i got a 100% on that quiz |
| 18:05.52 | Arrowmaster | I WAS FUCKING GUESSING! |
| 18:05.58 | Lopeppeppy | You were lucky |
| 18:06.38 | Lopeppeppy | Yoda says, "A gift, you should not be so critical of accepting, hmmmm?" |
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| 18:11.05 | DWSR | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/icon-hell.aspx <--- Why do people do this shit? |
| 18:11.23 | Lopeppeppy | they hate |
| 18:12.30 | DWSR | Can we get that removed? |
| 18:13.03 | Arrowmaster | give me something good to put as the delete reason |
| 18:13.28 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: "I came to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of gum" |
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| 18:13.44 | Arrowmaster | btw you can blame Ackis |
| 18:13.58 | DWSR | It's a griefing addon, that's all it is. |
| 18:14.03 | Arrowmaster | Approve Project â Icon Hell â View activity log Ackis |
| 18:14.25 | DWSR | Griefing is against the the ToU. |
| 18:14.31 | DWSR | Ackis you slut. |
| 18:14.43 | Lopeppeppy | Griefing is also in the eye of the beholding game master. |
| 18:14.50 | Ackis | what peppy said |
| 18:14.52 | Ackis | :P |
| 18:15.16 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: How, in any way, could that be construed as useful, in any way? |
| 18:15.27 | DWSR | Redundant statement, yes. |
| 18:15.27 | Lopeppeppy | Lack of usefulness /= griefing. |
| 18:15.38 | Ackis | usefulness is not required |
| 18:16.06 | Arrowmaster | meh, i took the cheap way out |
| 18:16.08 | Arrowmaster | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/icon-hell/ |
| 18:16.13 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Besides griefing, when would *anyone* use that mod? |
| 18:16.22 | Lopeppeppy | They think it's funny. |
| 18:16.42 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: I find trolling hilarious. Doesn't mean I should do it. |
| 18:16.47 | Lopeppeppy | Like Chuck Norris shit in General Chat. |
| 18:16.52 | Lunessa | If it was happening to me, I'd start vote-kicking people. |
| 18:17.04 | DWSR | Lunessa: What happens if you can't? |
| 18:17.13 | DWSR | Because of the time limit or because they queued as a group of 4? |
| 18:17.14 | Ackis | approves a mod that spams multi-lines of text that says FAIL for DWSR |
| 18:17.31 | Lunessa | DWSR - Rather than deal with Ass-hattery, I just add them to /ignore and wait out the debuff. |
| 18:18.03 | DWSR | Lunessa: Why should you have to suffer for their asshattery? |
| 18:18.04 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 18:18.05 | Arrowmaster | actually i could just completely delete it saying it violates the addon policy by negatively impacting server performance |
| 18:18.15 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Doesn't it? |
| 18:18.18 | Gnarfoz | I have macros that place random icons on random raid1-40 units |
| 18:18.19 | Gnarfoz | for AV |
| 18:18.19 | Lopeppeppy | Does it though? |
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| 18:18.37 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: There has to be some server side interaction when marking targetes. |
| 18:18.38 | Arrowmaster | Lopeppeppy: ofcourse it does, by how much is the question though |
| 18:18.39 | DWSR | targets* |
| 18:18.45 | Lunessa | DWSR: I concur. Griefing mods is bad, m'kay? I'm just saying... I'd drop group rather than put up with it. |
| 18:18.53 | Gnarfoz | also, I beg for lead and then sort groups by class. |
| 18:18.55 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 18:19.02 | DWSR | Lunessa: right, but why should you be forced to make that choice, anyway? |
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| 18:19.22 | Ackis | if only there were an existing process in place for complaining about projects on wowace/CF... oh, wait... there is |
| 18:19.25 | Lopeppeppy | I don't disagree that it'sa craptastic mod and I'd leave a group rather than deal. but it's a legal mod and I don't think I qualify it as "griefing" the way a GM would. Asshattery isn't the same. |
| 18:19.38 | DWSR | Ackis: You're right. This channel here. |
| 18:19.53 | Ackis | yeah, not really DWSR |
| 18:19.59 | olafski | why'd you approve it though? :P |
| 18:20.02 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 18:20.07 | olafski | did it have another description before? |
| 18:20.07 | Ackis | because it doesn't violate anything |
| 18:20.15 | Lopeppeppy | Because it's not in violation. |
| 18:20.19 | Lunessa | Again, I concur. But asshattery is more plentiful that helium and hydrogen. But Blizzard gave up on enforcing Trade be used for Trade and so I have to choose to avoid an entire chat channel for much the same reason. |
| 18:20.41 | olafski | same.. what an annoying channel :) |
| 18:20.44 | DWSR | Lunessa: IMO, trade should have an interface similar to LFD, and /2 should be renamed. |
| 18:21.09 | Lunessa | DWSR: IMO - global channels should be removed. |
| 18:21.18 | DWSR | Lunessa: Global channels are good. |
| 18:21.21 | DWSR | Nothing wrong with them |
| 18:21.28 | DWSR | They just need to be strictly monitored. |
| 18:21.32 | DWSR | a la LFD. |
| 18:22.10 | Lunessa | I cite John Gariel's Law |
| 18:22.10 | DWSR | I cite Murphy's Law. |
| 18:22.10 | olafski | I cite Olafski's law. |
| 18:22.11 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 18:23.08 | Lunessa | Anonymity + Audience = Asshattery. |
| 18:23.39 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 18:25.17 | Lopeppeppy | ^^ ++ |
| 18:25.35 | Lunessa | I was in a group for Forge of Souls last night on my mage, and the resto shaman kept bitching about the ret paladin using Ret aura and not dropping her own mana totem. After less than 5 minutes of this, everyone in the group was yelling at each other and calling each other names. Not something that would have happened face-to-face. |
| 18:25.51 | Lopeppeppy | Paladins have mana totems? |
| 18:26.21 | cbreak | <trade>Male ones do</trade> |
| 18:26.23 | DWSR | Wisdom? |
| 18:26.26 | DWSR | LULZ. |
| 18:26.41 | Lopeppeppy | I remember vividly a group for Underbog kicking me because I didn't have my pet out to help the group (paladin healer, wtf) |
| 18:26.57 | DWSR | You're a paladin healer |
| 18:27.02 | DWSR | And they were bitching about your pet? |
| 18:27.25 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. Apparently it's in the hunter tree that I didn't unlock with my leet skillz. |
| 18:27.38 | Arrowmaster | should have gotten out a minipet |
| 18:27.44 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 18:27.59 | DWSR | Get out Lil' KT and say "Ok, I got the critters guys" |
| 18:28.04 | Lopeppeppy | I told them to shove it and laughed myself to pieces. Paladins with pets, what do they think I am, a tree? |
| 18:28.34 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Favourite thing I've ever seen is a tree with the kite minipet |
| 18:28.45 | Cairenn | that'd be cute |
| 18:29.09 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: The shaman didn't use her totem and bitched about the ret paladin using ret aura and not giving her wisdom. |
| 18:29.15 | DWSR | wait... |
| 18:29.21 | DWSR | Those things aren't mutually exclusive |
| 18:29.24 | DWSR | Also, kings? |
| 18:29.44 | Lopeppeppy | Well, valid gripe about wisdom if she asked for it, but suck it up on the aura, cute stuff. |
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| 18:30.40 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Manaspring totem + Water Shield >>> Wisdom. |
| 18:30.50 | cbreak | yesterday I was doing Halls of Reflection daily random heroic. Such a bad group :/ |
| 18:31.02 | Lunessa | Hell, the totem will overwrite the paladin buff normally. |
| 18:31.05 | cbreak | only the healer and a dk dps had resemblence of skill :( |
| 18:31.30 | Lopeppeppy | Wonder why she didn't want to use her own tools then. |
| 18:31.43 | DWSR | cbreak: Sad group indeed. |
| 18:31.45 | Lunessa | Bad healer was bad. |
| 18:31.52 | Lopeppeppy | Boot to the head. |
| 18:32.06 | DWSR | head, meet desk |
| 18:32.24 | Lopeppeppy | Now that you remind me I remember about the shaman tools being more powerful than the blessing. I forgetted, too long since I played. |
| 18:32.27 | Lopeppeppy | But I'm all patched current! |
| 18:32.33 | Lunessa | Meh, after the 4th fight in-group, and not even getting to the first boss, I just dropped group for something less irritating to do. :) Mages solo pretty well. |
| 18:32.57 | cbreak | Mage power! |
| 18:33.08 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: An excellent things was shared with me yesterday, which I shall now disclose to you. |
| 18:33.16 | DWSR | Every time I get frustrated at pugs in LFD, I go queue up for a BG. |
| 18:33.22 | DWSR | And proceed to rollerstomp everything that I come acroszs. |
| 18:33.24 | Lunessa | Gearing up alt #5 to ICC-ready. yay |
| 18:33.26 | DWSR | Then things aren't so bad. |
| 18:33.31 | Lopeppeppy | disclose onto me! |
| 18:33.38 | DWSR | That's what she said. |
| 18:33.55 | alestane | The person started with a pan of brownie batter, then before baking, dropped spoonfuls of chocolate chip cookie dough randomly into the pan. |
| 18:34.13 | Lunessa | .... |
| 18:34.17 | DWSR | NOM NOM NOM |
| 18:34.20 | Lunessa | I think I need a towel. |
| 18:34.25 | DWSR | ^^ |
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| 18:34.36 | alestane | Baking melted this into a marbled mass of win and awesome. |
| 18:34.43 | Lopeppeppy | Only works if both cook at same temp and time, but yeah, win! |
| 18:36.57 | alestane | I was handed some of this sbefore I left. |
| 18:37.05 | Lopeppeppy | Why did you leave, then? |
| 18:37.58 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/icon-jumbler.aspx |
| 18:38.00 | Torhal | WOO |
| 18:38.02 | alestane | Because I was already stuffed. |
| 18:38.32 | Lopeppeppy | Did you at least kidnap the cook? |
| 18:39.03 | alestane | I think her husband might have objected. |
| 18:39.13 | alestane | I know how to track her down though. |
| 18:39.53 | Lopeppeppy | kidnap and pillage! |
| 18:40.29 | alestane | ...I'd settle for the recipe. |
| 18:40.44 | Lunessa | Make it easy on yourself. Slip them a sawbuck and ask for a 2 week supply. |
| 18:40.49 | Fisker | Torhal |
| 18:42.21 | foxlit | Torhal: that badly needs a screenshot; the description is unintelligible. |
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| 18:42.38 | Torhal | foxlit: I blame Ackis. He approved it! |
| 18:42.53 | Torhal | dances around Ackis with a can of thermite. |
| 18:43.20 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, supplies |
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| 18:48.45 | AbsolutRayne | O_o |
| 18:49.40 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 18:49.44 | kd3 | verizon blocked 4chan |
| 18:49.45 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/378301819/ |
| 18:49.47 | kd3 | looks for popcorn |
| 18:50.01 | olafski | haha go verizon |
| 18:50.07 | Adys | ~verizon++ |
| 18:50.11 | Adys | ~karma verizon |
| 18:50.11 | purl | verizon has karma of 2 |
| 18:50.12 | Thunder_Child | verizon is going to get hammered |
| 18:50.29 | alestane | So they're not serving it to their customers? |
| 18:50.43 | kd3 | "After investigating, we found that Verizon is dropping traffic to/from boards.4chan.org, only on port 80 (HTTP). No other subdomain/IP/port is affected, which leads us to believe this block is intentional." |
| 18:50.45 | kd3 | says moot |
| 18:51.07 | zenzelezz | sounds entirely coincidental to me |
| 18:51.09 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 18:52.12 | Ackis | verizon blocked Fisker?!?! |
| 18:52.39 | zenzelezz | one does not simply block Fisker from Mordor |
| 18:53.40 | Ackis | "Computers have microchips and stuff in them, and cell phones are way too small to have microchips!â |
| 18:54.39 | Ackis | ok so my hard drive issue, I have 2x500 gigs, 1 is breaking, should I RMA it or just go buy a 1-1.5 TB for $100ish? |
| 18:54.53 | Dagmar | TEHY HAVE TEH PICOSHIPZ |
| 18:54.57 | Thunder_Child | both |
| 18:55.07 | Lopeppeppy | I love Clients from Hell, Ackis, you might also enjoy. |
| 18:55.15 | Dagmar | RMA the thing *and* buy a bigger one |
| 18:55.31 | Dagmar | My fileserver has three different RAIDs |
| 18:55.47 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I hate clients. |
| 18:55.50 | Thunder_Child | you can upgrade your RMA for a discount with most companys |
| 18:56.34 | AbsolutRayne | I, myself, am not a fan of the Macintosh Client, Lopeppeppy :P |
| 18:56.50 | zenzelezz | if you're lucky, your HDD is out of production and they'll be forced to upgrade it for free |
| 18:57.53 | Ackis | rma is meh because I doubt I'd use it when I get it back if I buy a new one |
| 18:58.38 | mikma | ackis / adys : http://media.fukung.net/images/18178/19aa0acfd03872e86a411af40b9bd32a.gif |
| 18:59.07 | Ackis | mikma: hehe I have that favourited on youtube |
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| 19:01.05 | Adys | lol |
| 19:02.11 | alestane | From textsfromlastnight.com: "You lied. pity sex is amazing." |
| 19:02.24 | Cairenn | snicker |
| 19:03.14 | alestane | My favorite off of there so far is "Sober me apparently hid the cigs from drunk me. Sober me is a tricky bitch." |
| 19:04.01 | Lopeppeppy | I like the sex one. Oh yes. |
| 19:04.06 | Lopeppeppy | Breakup sex also qualifies sometimes. |
| 19:04.12 | Lunessa | alestane: I love that site. The wicked me revels in it. |
| 19:04.38 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Makeup sex is definitely WAY better |
| 19:04.39 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: my personal favorite is: (757): It says i should accept HIV aids as my friend on facebook. We have 12 friends in common. I need new friends. |
| 19:04.47 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: "I like the sex" <== fixt |
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| 19:04.53 | DWSR | lulz |
| 19:05.05 | Dagmar | s/the/teh/; |
| 19:05.07 | Adys | [21:04:47] <@Cairenn> Lopeppeppy: I like the sex |
| 19:05.14 | Dagmar | NOW it belongs on the internets. |
| 19:05.17 | alestane | Also high on the list: "The snow is very cold on my vagina." |
| 19:05.18 | alestane | Response: "Why is there snow on your vagina?" |
| 19:05.18 | alestane | "Vodka and heels." |
| 19:05.18 | Adys | Selective quoting to the rescue |
| 19:05.25 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/22321/1f26cc32c9d5730328af68c807be2bd4.jpg |
| 19:05.35 | Cairenn | alestane: lol, that one's funny |
| 19:05.39 | Lunessa | alestane: I know girls like that. Lots of them. |
| 19:06.00 | alestane | Vodka and heels and presumably a REALLY short skirt. |
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| 19:06.18 | Cairenn | or a very flippy one |
| 19:06.18 | Lunessa | RAWR |
| 19:06.36 | KarlKFI|work | noes not the circles! |
| 19:06.36 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.42 | foxlit | mikma: funny concept of "perfectly" |
| 19:06.45 | KarlKFI|work | the circle is a lie! |
| 19:06.49 | DWSR | "This frat boy drinking a forty and wearing a pussy patrol shirt just ran out in front of my car. I should have used less brakes." |
| 19:07.16 | Dagmar | When you hit him and he cries you just roll down the window, point, and say "I FOUND A PUSSY!" |
| 19:07.23 | alestane | Lunessa: And why exactly are you hogging these girls, then? |
| 19:07.57 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, Cairenn. Great minds today. |
| 19:08.06 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: ;) |
| 19:08.13 | Lunessa | alestane: because I am a selfish bastard and do not wish to dilute my supply pool. |
| 19:08.36 | Cairenn | alestane: you really need to come hang out with us at BC more |
| 19:08.36 | Lopeppeppy | mentally assesses her skirt pile. They're okay. |
| 19:08.56 | DWSR | http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-13518.html <-- AHAHA |
| 19:08.56 | Cairenn | lots o drinkin there |
| 19:09.49 | alestane | Cairenn: rawr. |
| 19:10.20 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 19:10.20 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 19:10.26 | Cairenn | and the occasional short skirt, or backless top, or .... |
| 19:10.58 | DWSR | ~win |
| 19:10.59 | purl | [win] <NightHawkTheSane> my phone autocorrects "pfft" to "orgy" |
| 19:11.04 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.09 | DWSR | Amen |
| 19:11.24 | Thunder_Child | or gownless evening strap |
| 19:11.25 | kd3 | ahaha |
| 19:11.34 | zenzelezz | bah! Parents, they're no good... it's been exactly one week since I moved, and my dad has already wiped my port forwarding rules... now I have to dig out the ports myself again >.< |
| 19:11.37 | Cairenn | I needed a few more drinks in me and some more Ozzy before that would have happened :p |
| 19:11.40 | NightHawkTheSane | chuckles |
| 19:12.11 | alestane | Cairenn: I will happily drink with you on any occasion, regardless of what you're wearing. |
| 19:12.19 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 19:12.27 | Dolby | you need a few more ozzy's ? |
| 19:12.28 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: like you wouldnt have wiped them the day your parents left, if it were the other way around :D |
| 19:12.40 | Lopeppeppy | alestane is sometimes gentlemanly. |
| 19:12.50 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: bleh :-p |
| 19:12.57 | alestane | ...or aren't wearing, better yet. |
| 19:13.08 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.21 | zenzelezz | Cairenn needs a few more Aussies |
| 19:13.21 | Dolby | wonder what the big act for this years blizzcon will be |
| 19:13.35 | Adys | http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-13450.html |
| 19:13.36 | Cairenn | they're gonna be hard pressed to top Ozzy! |
| 19:13.39 | Thunder_Child | better than last year one would hope |
| 19:13.40 | DWSR | I still can't believe how many womans there are in this channel. |
| 19:13.45 | Adys | Cairenn: ozzy was shit |
| 19:13.47 | DWSR | It's like a mythical place. |
| 19:13.50 | DWSR | Adys: Yeah, he was. |
| 19:13.52 | Dagmar | Kanye West getting ganked onstage |
| 19:13.53 | Dolby | Mr. T live action A-Team show? |
| 19:13.59 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:14.01 | zenzelezz | Dolby: win! |
| 19:14.02 | Adys | DWSR: I can't believe you don't know how to pluralize "woman" |
| 19:14.03 | DWSR | Mohawk Grenades for all. |
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| 19:14.09 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Thunder_Child!~Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Thunder_Child) |
| 19:14.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 19:14.17 | DWSR | waits for it. |
| 19:14.17 | Adys | >:( |
| 19:14.19 | Lopeppeppy | Adys, that's why he doesn't ahve any of them. |
| 19:14.26 | Dagmar | Hard pressed to top Ozzy? |
| 19:14.32 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: The womans, they do nothing |
| 19:14.40 | Dagmar | All they need is a burnt-out rocker who actually understands that gamers != physical activity |
| 19:14.41 | DWSR | Adys: Sorry, I dropped into LOLCAT for a second. |
| 19:14.44 | Ackis | Adys: no, they get me sammiches |
| 19:14.52 | Adys | you mean manwiches?! |
| 19:15.05 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Dagmar!~Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Dagmar) |
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| 19:15.12 | DWSR | Is it sue doo or sue doe? |
| 19:15.20 | Thunder_Child | it's not my fault ozzy blows chunks |
| 19:15.22 | Adys | it's Sue does |
| 19:15.28 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 19:15.30 | KarlKFI|work | sue doe |
| 19:15.33 | Dagmar | Yeah right. Then explain why when Ozzy hollered "Jump! Jump!" he got blank looks |
| 19:15.35 | Torhal | I'm so fucking glad I have every Sabbath album with Ozzy and none of the ones without. |
| 19:15.47 | KarlKFI|work | if sue doo i'll kill her and you |
| 19:15.52 | Dolby | every one was jumping by me |
| 19:15.54 | Dagmar | He's recorded some great albums, but he *is* a burnout now |
| 19:15.55 | DWSR | Dagmar: Everyone was furiously looking around for a space bar. |
| 19:15.59 | alestane | Cairenn: I might actually be able to afford the trip this year! |
| 19:16.05 | Cairenn | alestane: rawr! |
| 19:16.06 | Dagmar | DWSR: I was looking for people waving their thumbs, yeah |
| 19:16.10 | Cairenn | that reminds me |
| 19:16.13 | Dolby | i thought the concert was really good |
| 19:16.19 | nevcairiel | Did they announce that there will be one this year, anyway? |
| 19:16.22 | DWSR | Dolby: The bit of it that I listened to was good. |
| 19:16.27 | Dagmar | Dolby: Agreed. I've heard much worse live shows |
| 19:16.30 | DWSR | But that was just the start. |
| 19:16.35 | Ackis | who was better: ozzy at blizzcon or who at the stupid bowl? |
| 19:16.41 | Cairenn | looks around for mentalpower, so she can put in her order for this year's rum |
| 19:16.41 | DWSR | TAFKAL80ETC was way better though |
| 19:16.46 | Dagmar | ...and Ozzy has a long way to go to top the Letterman 25th anniversay show |
| 19:16.48 | mikma | wobwork: http://media.fukung.net/images/233/aussie_windaz1.jpg |
| 19:16.49 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, rum! |
| 19:16.53 | Lunessa | alestane: that would rock. |
| 19:16.58 | DWSR | Cairenn: Spiced or white? |
| 19:16.58 | Dolby | I liked the whos stage and light show |
| 19:17.04 | mikma | cog|away: http://media.fukung.net/images/9351/9123.jpg |
| 19:17.05 | Cairenn | DWSR: yes |
| 19:17.11 | Adys | why are 98% of submissions on tfln about sex? |
| 19:17.12 | DWSR | Cairenn: Yes what? |
| 19:17.16 | Dolby | had me mesmerized |
| 19:17.19 | KarlKFI|work | the concert wasn't so bad as much as the audience was a bunch of nerds who came to see blizzard and not ozzy |
| 19:17.20 | Cairenn | if you have to ask .... |
| 19:17.43 | Adys | KarlKFI|work: thats the bloody point |
| 19:17.43 | Lunessa | Adys: Because 90% of life is about sex |
| 19:17.56 | Dolby | Cairenn: was jumping on her chair and dancing |
| 19:17.58 | Adys | Lunessa: 90% of your life is about wanting sex and not getting it |
| 19:18.00 | Dolby | she got yelled at |
| 19:18.07 | KarlKFI|work | lol |
| 19:18.09 | DWSR | Adys: You need a better life. |
| 19:18.12 | Cairenn | looks around innocently |
| 19:18.12 | Adys | most of the time, 20% of life is about sex and the rest is about other things |
| 19:18.13 | Lunessa | Adys: I know, it despresses me. |
| 19:18.21 | Adys | despresso |
| 19:18.22 | Cairenn | I did no such thing! |
| 19:18.24 | Adys | thats a nice brand |
| 19:18.41 | Dolby | she almost got arrested |
| 19:18.45 | Cairenn | hah |
| 19:18.46 | Cairenn | not |
| 19:18.49 | KarlKFI|work | lol |
| 19:18.56 | Cairenn | that would have been later, after I'd gotten into the rum |
| 19:19.16 | Cairenn | and that rum & coconut concoction .... mmmmmmmmmm |
| 19:19.20 | KarlKFI|work | that rum mixy thing WAS yummy |
| 19:19.21 | Cairenn | that was tasty |
| 19:19.25 | Cairenn | mmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 19:19.36 | Lunessa | Cairenn was racking up the "getting checked out" high score with her Ozzy Concert outfit. |
| 19:19.54 | Cairenn | doesn't want to think how much of that bottle she emptied on her own |
| 19:20.01 | KarlKFI|work | point counter above her head? |
| 19:20.03 | DWSR | Cairenn: Yes you do. |
| 19:20.05 | KarlKFI|work | or was that HP |
| 19:20.25 | DWSR | Anyone know if/when BlizzCon will be this year? |
| 19:20.29 | DWSR | I'm kinda thinking I want to go |
| 19:20.39 | Adys | http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-13397.html |
| 19:20.41 | Cairenn | Oct, if they hold to their usual schedule |
| 19:20.43 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/11903/careful.jpg |
| 19:20.52 | Lopeppeppy | haven't published anything yet though |
| 19:21.15 | Cairenn | mikma: ewwwwwwwww, please to provide clown warning next time, k? |
| 19:21.37 | Cairenn | is completely freaked out now |
| 19:21.51 | Lunessa | BlizzCon was a lot of fun. though if i go this year I don't think I'll bracket it as much. Too many days in Anaheim makes Lunessa a sad guy. |
| 19:21.57 | Ackis | 12:19lua_botCould not find a match for 'TorhalsPenis'. |
| 19:22.02 | Ackis | the truth is out Torhal! |
| 19:22.34 | DWSR | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes?ids=77#quote-77 |
| 19:22.41 | Torhal | Ackis: Maybe your hard drive needs some Pepto? |
| 19:22.49 | DWSR | We planning a WoWI meetup? |
| 19:23.02 | Ackis | :( |
| 19:23.11 | Cairenn | DWSR: there are always UI community stoofs |
| 19:23.24 | DWSR | I should definitely book a trip down then |
| 19:23.40 | Cairenn | I'm thinking we'll likely do the same restaurant again this year, they treated us really well last year |
| 19:24.41 | alestane | Who was it? |
| 19:24.58 | DWSR | Oh, god damn. |
| 19:24.58 | nevcairiel | I don't think i'll have the money this year either, going to the US is always expensive :( |
| 19:25.01 | Ackis | Fisker is popular onteh irc quotes |
| 19:25.05 | DWSR | that means I have to go through shitty US customs. |
| 19:25.08 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Where are you coming from? |
| 19:25.19 | Cairenn | alestane: Bubba Gump's |
| 19:25.24 | nevcairiel | DWSR: germany |
| 19:25.24 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26521&highlight=blizzcon |
| 19:25.28 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Oh |
| 19:25.32 | A-KO | US Customs aren't that bad, granted I've only been between Canada and the US--I've had an equal butt raping both ways :P |
| 19:25.38 | A-KO | some days one side is better, other days the other side is better |
| 19:25.39 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Bullshit. I bet you make like, $150USD a day from Curse. |
| 19:25.42 | Torhal | :D |
| 19:25.59 | Lunessa | Cairenn: They were pretty nice about it. They were even good sports about trying to get CKK drunk. |
| 19:26.02 | DWSR | A-KO: Yeah. It's just a giant shit-show no matter what you do. |
| 19:26.07 | Cairenn | Lunessa: hehhee |
| 19:26.09 | nevcairiel | Torhal: 1k a month, more or less, but getting my own place soon, thats going to eat all that :P |
| 19:26.09 | Nechckn | complains of stupid Bliz ticketing system for BC. |
| 19:26.19 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Urk |
| 19:26.53 | Lunessa | For those of you attending next year, CKK downing shots of 151 is a sight to behold. |
| 19:26.58 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: he still underage? |
| 19:26.59 | nevcairiel | Maybe i'll reconsider when they officially announce the con, anyway |
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| 19:27.11 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Nah, he's old enough... barely. |
| 19:27.26 | Torhal | Lunessa: Did he nearly spontaneously combust? |
| 19:27.30 | kd3 | oh that's right. he celebrated his birthday during the dinner |
| 19:27.36 | Cairenn | nod |
| 19:27.58 | Cairenn | he was a good sport, too |
| 19:28.03 | DWSR | Oh, shit. |
| 19:28.08 | DWSR | I need to be 21 to drink in the states, don't I? |
| 19:28.13 | DWSR | Son of a bitch. |
| 19:28.13 | Lunessa | The expression on his face really should have been vid-captured and uploaded, but my crappy balckberry pearl couldn't handle it. |
| 19:28.14 | Cairenn | DWSR: yes |
| 19:28.18 | Cairenn | stupid states |
| 19:28.22 | Thunder_Child | there are a few clubs and bars in the area Cairenn |
| 19:28.25 | DWSR | What a shit law. |
| 19:28.33 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: since when? |
| 19:28.48 | KarlKFI|work | it doesn't really stop anyone from drinking. just stops you from buying |
| 19:28.48 | nevcairiel | Its only shit until you hit 21, then you're lucky all those silly kids cant get drunk |
| 19:28.50 | Cairenn | has been looking for somewhere to go clubbing every BC |
| 19:28.52 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: i dunno, but a simple maps.google.com check works |
| 19:29.05 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: Well if we're going out to a restaurant. |
| 19:29.07 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: just get a fake id, if its from another country theyll have no idea how to even know if its fake |
| 19:29.14 | Lunessa | If I go again this year, I'll be driving again. Room for 5 in my mobile - party patrol! |
| 19:29.16 | Ackis | wow I fail |
| 19:29.16 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Good point. |
| 19:29.24 | Ackis | I just figured out what the acronym BC stands for |
| 19:29.26 | DWSR | Lunessa: Where from? |
| 19:29.31 | DWSR | Ackis: BlizzCon? |
| 19:29.33 | Lunessa | Houston. |
| 19:29.34 | Ackis | yup |
| 19:29.36 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:29.43 | *** join/#wowuidev taleden (~alex@user-38q41i6.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 19:29.44 | Ackis | I've been wondering for a while but was too afraid to ask |
| 19:29.46 | KarlKFI|work | burnign crusade |
| 19:29.46 | nevcairiel | burning crusade, clearly |
| 19:29.53 | NightHawkTheSane | british columbia |
| 19:29.54 | KarlKFI|work | ninja! |
| 19:30.00 | Lunessa | Trip takes 1.5 days by car if I sleep overnight somewhere. |
| 19:30.00 | cog|away | Lunessa: http://tinyurl.com/ykb8foq (context was about 2 weeks ago on vent for anyone wondering why i'm posting this) |
| 19:30.00 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: drive up to ohio and pick me up |
| 19:30.00 | DWSR | NHTS wins |
| 19:30.02 | DWSR | Again |
| 19:30.03 | DWSR | ~win |
| 19:30.04 | purl | from memory, win is <NightHawkTheSane> my phone autocorrects "pfft" to "orgy" |
| 19:30.13 | KarlKFI|work | lol |
| 19:31.02 | Cairenn | in the context of the conversations thus far, BC has stood for BlizzCon |
| 19:31.23 | Lunessa | cog|work: Maybe. |
| 19:31.26 | KarlKFI|work | blue curacao |
| 19:31.29 | DWSR | Anyone else here driving down from the toronto area? |
| 19:31.46 | Cairenn | DWSR: I keep forgetting you're in TO |
| 19:31.59 | DWSR | Cairenn: You are too? |
| 19:32.02 | Cairenn | gonna be down that way some point in the next few weeks |
| 19:32.04 | Cairenn | Ottawa |
| 19:32.07 | DWSR | O_O |
| 19:32.08 | alestane | Lunessa: I was planning to go last year, but my wife soaked my distributor while I was stealing Peppy's television. |
| 19:32.09 | DWSR | I'm in school here. |
| 19:32.09 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Um, only if you supply hot girls for the remainder 1.5 driving days of the trip |
| 19:32.17 | DWSR | Cairenn: We've probably said this to each other like 10 times. |
| 19:32.19 | alestane | $500 repair => no plane ticket.' |
| 19:32.26 | Cairenn | DWSR: probably :p |
| 19:32.37 | DWSR | Cairenn: We should go for drinks sometime. :P |
| 19:32.47 | Dolby | bring a camera DWSR |
| 19:32.51 | Cairenn | heh, meet 1/2 way, hey? |
| 19:32.55 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: actually ive got a friend in austin that maybe i could go crash at his place for a few days before |
| 19:33.05 | DWSR | Cairenn: What, you want me to make you dinner? Bit much for a first date, innit? :P |
| 19:33.13 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:33.18 | DWSR | Dolby: Nevar. |
| 19:33.26 | DWSR | I won't spoil Cairenn's sekrit. |
| 19:33.37 | Dolby | Cairenn likes to have her picture taken |
| 19:33.44 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Dolby!~Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Dolby) |
| 19:33.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Dolby (~Dolby@MMOI/Administrator/pdpc.silver.dolby) |
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| 19:33.49 | DWSR | Clearly.\ |
| 19:33.52 | Adys | Kalroth |
| 19:33.53 | Thunder_Child | she doesnt have any 'sekrits' |
| 19:33.55 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Cairenn!~Dolby@MMOI/Administrator/pdpc.silver.dolby] by Dolby (Cairenn) |
| 19:33.56 | Adys | 4867ccab1c36f33dec005e83eef8dfb6d3b166941a72400aa3c963675c2a7dae |
| 19:34.01 | Thunder_Child | esepecially after drinking |
| 19:34.11 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, Dolby is bold! |
| 19:34.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Cairenn (~Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
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| 19:34.15 | Dolby | hehe |
| 19:34.20 | DWSR | Cairenn: You live here? |
| 19:34.23 | Adys | I can kick Cairenn in #wowwiki |
| 19:34.32 | Cairenn | DWSR: as I said, Ottawa |
| 19:34.33 | Cairenn | not TO |
| 19:34.36 | DWSR | I can kick Cairenn in real life. |
| 19:34.40 | DWSR | Cairenn: I meant where in Ottawa... :P |
| 19:34.41 | DWSR | :P |
| 19:34.50 | Cairenn | west end - Kanata |
| 19:34.57 | DWSR | Ah, I'm downtown |
| 19:34.59 | Lopeppeppy | You guys could meet in Albany |
| 19:34.59 | DWSR | At UofO |
| 19:35.04 | Cairenn | oh |
| 19:35.06 | Cairenn | OH |
| 19:35.09 | DWSR | OH |
| 19:35.11 | DWSR | yerah. |
| 19:35.12 | DWSR | yeah* |
| 19:35.15 | Cairenn | I thought you meant you were going to school in TO |
| 19:35.16 | Cairenn | :p |
| 19:35.17 | DWSR | No |
| 19:35.19 | DWSR | I live in TO |
| 19:35.22 | DWSR | I'm in school here. |
| 19:35.27 | DWSR | Well, I have a place here as well. |
| 19:35.36 | Cairenn | taking? |
| 19:35.43 | DWSR | CompSci |
| 19:35.49 | Cairenn | duh, of course |
| 19:35.51 | Cairenn | silly me |
| 19:35.51 | DWSR | :P |
| 19:35.57 | DWSR | I was taking Biochemistry. |
| 19:36.01 | Cairenn | what else would anyone in this channel be taking :p |
| 19:36.12 | DWSR | Liberal Arts. |
| 19:36.17 | DWSR | That's why they're here so much |
| 19:36.18 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:36.36 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Austin is only 2 hours out of the way. That I would do. :) |
| 19:36.44 | nevcairiel | You would be surprised, i know alot of guys that are professionally into totally different things, but are good programmers |
| 19:36.56 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Where are you? |
| 19:36.59 | Cairenn | nevcairiel: I know, I was being a smartass |
| 19:37.39 | Lunessa | alestane: I'd be happy to drive you and Lopeppeppy to BlizzCon, but I'm not happy to drive the wrong direction for 2 days first. Sorry. |
| 19:37.42 | Adys | nevcairiel: I'm into professional cartoon porn |
| 19:37.46 | Adys | but I'm a good dev! |
| 19:37.48 | DWSR | lol |
| 19:38.05 | DWSR | Cairenn: Would you be driving or flying down to BlizzCon? |
| 19:38.10 | Cairenn | flying |
| 19:38.19 | DWSR | Teh suck. |
| 19:38.46 | Lunessa | offers to pick Cairenn up at the airport. *wink* |
| 19:38.58 | Cairenn | Lunessa: *grin* |
| 19:39.22 | Lunessa | I'll even use a cheesy line like, "So, do you come here often?" |
| 19:39.29 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 19:39.34 | kd3 | har |
| 19:39.46 | Adys | I'd use something cheesier |
| 19:39.50 | Adys | "Heard about Pluto?" |
| 19:39.57 | DWSR | .. |
| 19:40.04 | Adys | that's messed up. |
| 19:40.16 | cbreak | Pluto is a nice manga |
| 19:40.30 | Adys | oh come on you jerks, nobody in here is a psych fan :( |
| 19:40.41 | Adys | except Thrae whom I shall love until the end of my days |
| 19:41.01 | Lunessa | I've seen a few episodes. But I watch enough crap via Hulu as it is. |
| 19:41.12 | Adys | psych is so not crap |
| 19:41.24 | Thunder_Child | yes it is |
| 19:41.26 | Adys | and wtf is it with you and streaming guys |
| 19:41.27 | Lunessa | TV is crap. |
| 19:41.28 | nevcairiel | Psych is really great, but i didnt get the reference |
| 19:41.43 | Nechckn | lol... what is wrong with it? |
| 19:41.45 | Thunder_Child | who streams guys? |
| 19:41.46 | Adys | nevcairiel: because it's in only two episodes out of the 70 or so |
| 19:43.37 | Thrae | Adys: <3 |
| 19:43.42 | Adys | :D |
| 19:43.48 | mikma | adys: it's a funny show |
| 19:44.42 | Nechckn | Look at Chuck.. same sort of over-the-top goofy crap that makes for a relatively good waste of 30 mins/1hour. |
| 19:44.44 | Thrae | Adys: I was surprised when I saw two Pyschs pop-up in my queue. |
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| 19:45.10 | Lunessa | I use HULU to stream shows that are usually one when I'm at work or raiding. |
| 19:45.20 | Fisker | WobWork |
| 19:45.22 | mikma | chuck S02 was good |
| 19:45.24 | Fisker | what time is it in aussie land? |
| 19:45.28 | mikma | haven't liked the S03 so far |
| 19:45.29 | Adys | Thrae: the recent ones? |
| 19:45.39 | Adys | s4 just started again |
| 19:45.45 | Adys | next one in two days |
| 19:45.46 | Nechckn | Eh.. it's fair, mikma |
| 19:45.51 | Thrae | Adys: Yep. Wasn't it two in one week? |
| 19:45.56 | Adys | nope |
| 19:46.10 | Thrae | Adys: Ah, must have been a delayed release then. |
| 19:46.11 | Nechckn | I'm not like a die-hard fan, but it is alright. What I cannot watch is Heros |
| 19:46.12 | Adys | one on the 27th, next one on the 3rd |
| 19:46.14 | Nechckn | Too many "resets" |
| 19:46.47 | Adys | anyhow night |
| 19:46.52 | Arrowmaster | resets? |
| 19:46.55 | Lunessa | I watch the following things via streaming. Chuck, Heroes, Castle, Burn Notice, and if I can't sleep Fringe. |
| 19:47.01 | Lunessa | Sometimes Bones and House. |
| 19:47.08 | mikma | http://thesuperficial.com/2010/02/reggie_bush_is_getting_anal_to.php |
| 19:47.22 | jnwhiteh | ga |
| 19:47.28 | jnwhiteh | 2800 hgs is hard for me to hit right now =/ |
| 19:47.38 | Adys | reminds me |
| 19:47.47 | Adys | any anime fan around here? got a favour to ask |
| 19:47.50 | Adys | kd3 |
| 19:48.10 | kd3 | hm? |
| 19:49.02 | DWSR | Adys: What do you need? |
| 19:49.16 | Nechckn | Arrowmaster reset as in, woops, no one likes it, let's have something happen and start again. |
| 19:49.56 | Nechckn | Like when someone wakes up on a soap opera and you find out that the last 4 years of the series were a dream |
| 19:50.05 | Adys | pm |
| 19:50.58 | Arrowmaster | i need to recover my other drives, this is way too little |
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| 19:51.00 | Arrowmaster | arrow@tohsaka:/srv/data/anime% du -sh /srv/data/anime |
| 19:51.00 | Arrowmaster | 359G/srv/data/anime |
| 19:51.13 | Lopeppeppy | grlbleglrghrlkghglrlll |
| 19:51.19 | cbreak | I have 2.2 TB. Guess for what :/ |
| 19:51.21 | Adys | RUN PEPPY'S A MURLOC |
| 19:51.29 | Lopeppeppy | I'ma eat your FACE! |
| 19:51.31 | DWSR | HEAR ME WHEN I TALK\ |
| 19:51.36 | DWSR | I F****ED A MURLOC! |
| 19:51.39 | DWSR | I'M ON A MOUNT |
| 19:51.42 | Adys | I AM THE KING OF THE SEA |
| 19:51.50 | DWSR | DEATH WILL RISE |
| 19:51.53 | DWSR | FROM THE TIDES |
| 19:52.03 | Adys | GET IN THE CAR |
| 19:52.06 | DWSR | Fail. |
| 19:52.08 | Lopeppeppy | The darkness will rise from the deep and carry you down into sleep. |
| 19:52.19 | Adys | ~lopepeppy++ |
| 19:52.20 | Adys | i need sleep |
| 19:52.25 | Adys | waiting for food. |
| 19:52.38 | DWSR | So. |
| 19:52.45 | Lopeppeppy | Why food before sleep? Just sleep, you'll forget you were hungry. |
| 19:52.46 | DWSR | Saints won the Faggot Bowl. |
| 19:52.55 | Adys | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/02/out-with-old-in-with-new.html |
| 19:52.59 | DWSR | Which is good, because that means that Peyton Manning didn't win it. |
| 19:53.06 | Adys | Apache members, committers and contributors descend on the Google headquarters in Mountain View, enjoying a rare chance to get together face-to-face |
| 19:53.07 | Ackis | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/funny-pictures-cat-sleeps-on-book1.jpg |
| 19:53.07 | DWSR | And is now officially a faggot. |
| 19:53.12 | Adys | be honest |
| 19:53.17 | Adys | who read "enjoying a race change" |
| 19:53.35 | DWSR | Ackis: That isn't twilight, though. |
| 19:53.40 | DWSR | Adys: I saw it for half a second |
| 19:54.13 | Adys | also |
| 19:54.19 | Adys | food before sleep because FOOD IS AWESOME |
| 19:54.22 | Adys | and sleep not as much |
| 19:54.27 | DWSR | Ackis: I can tell because there are words that are longer than 10 letters on the page. |
| 19:54.28 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep est uber alles |
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| 19:54.33 | DWSR | Like sub-ordination and Contemplate. |
| 19:54.45 | Ackis | lol DWSR |
| 19:54.47 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: That was really bad French. |
| 19:54.54 | Adys | it was not french |
| 19:55.01 | cog|work | http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20100208/981/tsc-boredom-can-kill-you.html |
| 19:55.10 | DWSR | est alles are both French words. |
| 19:55.13 | Adys | cog|work: boring article |
| 19:55.27 | cog|work | kills Adys |
| 19:55.28 | Adys | DWSR: I think I know better than you what a french word is and what a french word isn't |
| 19:55.35 | DWSR | Adys: Orly? |
| 19:55.46 | DWSR | Do you happen to live in a country that speaks French? |
| 19:55.53 | Adys | I happen to be French |
| 19:55.58 | nevcairiel | Like .. France :P |
| 19:56.05 | Lopeppeppy | I never said it was French. |
| 19:56.11 | DWSR | Adys: Good. I happen to have the shit province of Quebec next to me. |
| 19:56.17 | DWSR | Adys: Please, take them back. All of them. |
| 19:56.27 | Adys | I never sent them |
| 19:56.38 | Adys | it's rebellious brits who tried to piss off their neighbours |
| 19:56.46 | nevcairiel | we dont want them back in europe either, you keep them |
| 19:56.48 | Adys | ~canada++ |
| 19:56.52 | DWSR | nevcairiel: lulz. |
| 19:56.56 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes I can have bad grammar, even in a foreign language. |
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| 19:57.03 | Adys | nevcairiel: I have an idea, let's send them down to australia |
| 19:57.06 | Adys | ~karma australia |
| 19:57.06 | purl | australia has neutral karma |
| 19:57.08 | DWSR | Adys: Anyway, yes. I speak French. |
| 19:57.13 | Adys | ~karma switzerland |
| 19:57.13 | purl | switzerland has neutral karma |
| 19:57.15 | Lunessa | cog|work: This explains why I drive fast, drink hard, and like large guns and promiscuity? |
| 19:57.19 | Adys | that's awesome |
| 19:57.33 | nevcairiel | hm nah, i kinda like australia, dont want it spoiled when i finally manage to go there for a while |
| 19:57.45 | nevcairiel | the chinese can have em |
| 19:57.46 | DWSR | Lunessa: Isn't that because you're a human being? |
| 19:57.53 | Adys | ~switzerland |
| 19:57.54 | purl | methinks switzerland is a country full of xenophobes or not a cardboard sock |
| 19:57.55 | DWSR | ~nevcairiel++ |
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| 19:58.04 | Lunessa | DWSR: Entirely possible too. |
| 19:58.32 | nevcairiel | or put them in switzerland, they have french-speaking parts too |
| 19:58.38 | nevcairiel | that country is screwed up anyway |
| 19:59.07 | DWSR | nevcairiel: But they make good chocolate. |
| 19:59.09 | DWSR | I don't want to ruin that |
| 19:59.11 | Adys | french-speaking parts |
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| 19:59.25 | DWSR | I'd rather ruin the Chinese. |
| 19:59.26 | Adys | speaking of parts, hi tekkub |
| 19:59.44 | Adys | I'm going to bed with in mind the line "french-speaking parts" |
| 19:59.53 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 19:59.55 | DWSR | Yes, my penis also speaks french |
| 20:00.18 | Lunessa | ... |
| 20:00.38 | Lunessa | I think that needs to be a MotD |
| 20:00.53 | DWSR | And by MotD, you mean topic? |
| 20:01.00 | Lunessa | Sure. |
| 20:01.12 | DWSR | Might as well IRC quote this while we're at it, amirite? |
| 20:01.13 | durcyn | that's what happens when the only intercourse you can get is from forcibly penetrating a baguette. |
| 20:01.16 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn and I were much more of the funny! |
| 20:01.26 | DWSR | durcyn: What's wrong with that? |
| 20:01.27 | Cairenn | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 20:01.31 | DWSR | Especially when they're fresh |
| 20:01.36 | DWSR | Nice and warm and soft on the inside. |
| 20:01.52 | krka | anyone know what's up with stormrage? |
| 20:01.56 | krka | it's really really slow |
| 20:02.05 | Adys | krka: maybe the storm is raging |
| 20:02.06 | DWSR | Come on, not one OOC quote from there Cairenn? |
| 20:02.18 | AbsolutRayne | O_o |
| 20:02.22 | AbsolutRayne | Cairenn Peppy love |
| 20:02.35 | Adys | k, night |
| 20:02.36 | alestane | Out of context? |
| 20:02.44 | Adys | I LOVE YOU KALROTH I LOVE YOU |
| 20:02.46 | DWSR | mhm |
| 20:02.47 | Lopeppeppy | Hiya, AbsolutRayne. Look what woke YOU up! |
| 20:03.04 | AbsolutRayne | I said something to you earlier, you just ignored me. :P |
| 20:03.39 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is rawr |
| 20:04.00 | alestane | desires an evening of Cairenn, Peppy, and Rum. |
| 20:04.25 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry, AbsolutRayne. The sheeple have been nibbling today, i didn't see it. *hug* How's you? |
| 20:04.30 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, Shirik. *purr* |
| 20:04.33 | AbsolutRayne | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNH2lCoau-k best commercial of the Superbowl this year. |
| 20:04.36 | AbsolutRayne | Without a doubt. |
| 20:04.36 | Cairenn | I almost never use the wonderful ooc comments when they're brand new, they're so much more fun when people have mostly forgotten them |
| 20:05.06 | Adys | cairenn likes them old and rusty |
| 20:05.18 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: Win |
| 20:05.36 | DWSR | Cairenn: But then you don't get to play with the bubble wrap. |
| 20:05.43 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Im swell. I had my old HDD die on me about a month ago, so I had to reinstall everything. I was going to update my UI last night and I realized I hadnt been in here awhile. :P So I re-DLd Chatzilla last night. Howve you been? |
| 20:05.47 | Cairenn | yay bubblewrap! |
| 20:07.40 | AbsolutRayne | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_020810_130634.jpg Taking suggestions on where to put my damn Action Bars on this UI. >< |
| 20:07.43 | alestane | Okay, when did they add the "Darnassus Love Boats?" |
| 20:08.36 | DWSR | AR: They're currently bottom middle? |
| 20:08.42 | AbsolutRayne | Yeah |
| 20:08.57 | DWSR | Bottom underneath your SCD bar. |
| 20:09.40 | AbsolutRayne | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_020810_004349.jpg Had them there before, didnt look so great. But then again maybe its because of the BF Skin |
| 20:10.08 | DWSR | AR: What UF are you using? o? |
| 20:10.16 | DWSR | AR: They look fine, imo. |
| 20:10.24 | AbsolutRayne | PitBull4 |
| 20:10.29 | DWSR | mkay. |
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| 20:10.36 | AbsolutRayne | I need to sit down and fiddle with oUF one of these days. |
| 20:10.42 | DWSR | I'm using SUF. |
| 20:10.48 | DWSR | Think I might need to try oUF as well. |
| 20:10.51 | DWSR | So I can anchor shit together. |
| 20:11.12 | DWSR | Cairenn: WTB WoWI implementing OpenSearch |
| 20:11.22 | Lopeppeppy | my kitty is almost a real cat now, AbsolutRayne, and my hand surgery is on the 25h. Life progresses! |
| 20:11.40 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: \o/ |
| 20:11.59 | DWSR | Antiarc: ping |
| 20:12.47 | DWSR | ~seen Antiarc |
| 20:12.52 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev #wowace #curseforge. Has said a total of 48 messages. Is idling for 14h 3m 13s, last said: 'kandarz: "Armory"'. |
| 20:13.04 | Lunessa | I use Shadowed Unit Frames in my UI, and honestly it does everything I need and does it pretty well. |
| 20:14.31 | Lunessa | http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/WoW%20Interface%20Gallery/?action=view¤t=UI-2010-02-02-Mage-OPie.jpg - Note, I've replace the button/buff skin since this shot. |
| 20:15.03 | DWSR | Lunessa: Yeah, SUF is pretty good |
| 20:15.18 | zenzelezz | that border around the objectives frame annoys me |
| 20:15.19 | Lunessa | The ease of configuring raid frames sold me on it, honestly. |
| 20:15.22 | zenzelezz | otherwise pretty nice |
| 20:15.23 | DWSR | Lunessa: Wow. |
| 20:15.23 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: It looks better with just the one bar there. Think is im used to using 12+ buttons, so Ill have non-visible binds that ill have to get used to. :P |
| 20:15.40 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: Use modifier based paging. |
| 20:15.45 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: I'm assuming you're using BT4. |
| 20:15.46 | cog|work | "The website at s177.photobucket.com contains elements from the site asderweq.com, which appears to host malware â software that can hurt your computer or otherwise operate without your consent" |
| 20:15.49 | Cairenn | DWSR: talk to Dolby |
| 20:15.51 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: Dominos |
| 20:15.57 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I wanted the border to match something else I was working on. |
| 20:15.59 | DWSR | Dunno if Dominos does it as well. |
| 20:16.07 | AbsolutRayne | cog|work: O_o |
| 20:16.14 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: But BT4 allows you to page the actionbar based on which modifier is held down. |
| 20:16.18 | Lunessa | ... OMG. Photobucket? *cries* |
| 20:16.30 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: I never have more than twelve buttons shown, yet I have 36 keybinds. |
| 20:16.38 | DWSR | Plus some more for other stuff, of course. |
| 20:16.41 | KarlKFI|work | probably from an ad server |
| 20:16.42 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: I think I could easily get used to it as a Rogue. :P |
| 20:16.50 | DWSR | mhm |
| 20:17.00 | Lunessa | I use dominos and set my main 12-button bar to page when I hold down alt or ctrl. |
| 20:17.32 | zenzelezz | careful |
| 20:17.36 | AbsolutRayne | I wish Dominos had a way to position the bar exactly by x y :( |
| 20:17.37 | Lunessa | And OPie is love, except for the taint issue with the Raid Browser. |
| 20:17.38 | zenzelezz | one wrong move and you'll cascade all 12 buttons |
| 20:17.50 | DWSR | Lunessa: Indeed. |
| 20:17.51 | AbsolutRayne | Thats my only gripe |
| 20:17.55 | DWSR | I love OPie. |
| 20:18.08 | DWSR | I use it for all my Demons and for my Stones and also for my broker launchers. :D |
| 20:18.15 | zenzelezz | OPie has trouble with the raid browser? |
| 20:18.19 | DWSR | Broker Launchers on an Opie ring is awesome |
| 20:18.22 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Yeah, it taints it. |
| 20:18.29 | zenzelezz | hm |
| 20:19.07 | AbsolutRayne | One thing ive started using lately is Gnosis, and I LOVE it. |
| 20:19.14 | DWSR | Does oUF require a reload between each layout change? |
| 20:19.19 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: Curse or WoWI? |
| 20:19.28 | AbsolutRayne | WoWI |
| 20:19.38 | DWSR | apparently it's on both. :P |
| 20:19.46 | AbsolutRayne | I only visit curse for DXE |
| 20:19.50 | nevcairiel | wth is gnosis |
| 20:19.52 | Lunessa | DWSR: oUF by itself has no in-game config. Though some people have written config UIs for it. |
| 20:19.55 | nevcairiel | !addon gnosis |
| 20:19.56 | lua_bot | Gnosis (v. 1.24) last updated Mon Feb 8 18:24 (http://is.gd/7XEiq) |
| 20:20.13 | DWSR | Lunessa: Ah |
| 20:20.19 | foxlit | "Yeah, it taints it." << I haven't actually seen it lose functionality, it just occasionally whines at you. |
| 20:20.21 | DWSR | AR: did you use Quartz before? |
| 20:20.28 | DWSR | foxlit: Indeed. |
| 20:20.31 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: Aye |
| 20:20.37 | DWSR | AR: I'll have to grab it then |
| 20:20.44 | foxlit | It's an awesome taint path, though -- I get assists from half of FrameXML |
| 20:20.53 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:21.03 | nevcairiel | what does Gnosis do that quartz doesnt? |
| 20:21.06 | foxlit | [Think I've got it now, but we'll wait and see] |
| 20:21.10 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Ticks for channeled spells. |
| 20:21.13 | Lunessa | foxlit: saved a tainlog - but I want to get a more detailed level 2 version on a client with JUST OPie installed. |
| 20:21.18 | nevcairiel | DWSR: quartz does that |
| 20:21.26 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Where? |
| 20:21.33 | AbsolutRayne | Quartz is a stupid doodoohead sometimes? |
| 20:21.54 | Lunessa | I've been using AzCastBar lately. It's not bad. |
| 20:21.57 | nevcairiel | then actually report issues, and they get fixed :P |
| 20:22.11 | Legorol | awesome login screen message: "we are aware that some players are experiencing latency" |
| 20:22.14 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Where is the option for channeled spell ticks? |
| 20:22.17 | DWSR | nevcairiel: In Quartz? |
| 20:22.20 | Legorol | i'm glad i have latency! |
| 20:22.25 | Legorol | question is, how high? |
| 20:22.28 | nevcairiel | on the player options |
| 20:22.53 | nevcairiel | only in the latest wowace versions though, not in the WoWI versions |
| 20:22.59 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Also, Gnosis seems to have support for editing combattext entries that are generated by channeled spells. |
| 20:23.11 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Are your WoWAce versions pushed through to Curse? |
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| 20:23.33 | nevcairiel | they are in the curse client if you set it to alpha |
| 20:23.37 | DWSR | ick, alpha? |
| 20:23.57 | Nechckn | It's the only way to roll. |
| 20:23.59 | nevcairiel | its completly fucntional, i'm just not done with changes |
| 20:24.10 | AbsolutRayne | I just want to move my action bar just to the right. :( |
| 20:24.15 | nevcairiel | that i want to do before i release |
| 20:24.15 | Lunessa | The thing I don't really like about AzCastBar is that is has no visual indicator for non-interruptible spells. Quartz has options for that, but they don't look all that good. AddOns, that I don't write myself, will always be an exercise in compromise. |
| 20:24.19 | AbsolutRayne | But everytime I do, it misaligns. ;_; |
| 20:24.34 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: how would you want it to look? |
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| 20:24.53 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: I kinda like the shield icon the default ui uses. |
| 20:25.00 | nevcairiel | I was thinking about stealing that |
| 20:25.04 | nevcairiel | i didnt like the thicker border |
| 20:25.08 | Lunessa | Can that be an option instead of changing the border? |
| 20:25.20 | DWSR | Shield icon + a different colour castbar would be nice. |
| 20:25.35 | Lunessa | The border textures have to be garish to be noticeable, and it irks me. |
| 20:25.43 | AbsolutRayne | Oh you did NOT just give me a WoW Error upon /rl a bunch of changed to my UI |
| 20:25.46 | AbsolutRayne | No you did not. |
| 20:25.49 | Lunessa | but I like Quartz in general. |
| 20:26.19 | DWSR | What's the latest version of minion? |
| 20:26.38 | AbsolutRayne | Whew, it saved it. |
| 20:26.40 | AbsolutRayne | Good stuff. |
| 20:26.50 | Nechckn | nevcairiel btw, is the ace3 version mostly useable? |
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| 20:27.02 | nevcairiel | its completly usable |
| 20:27.20 | nevcairiel | i just didnt tag it as release yet to give the more weird errors time to come out of the closet |
| 20:27.35 | Nechckn | heheh that too =) |
| 20:27.39 | nevcairiel | if nothing comes up i'll probably do that soon |
| 20:28.16 | Nechckn | cool, cool - was going to try it but did not want to have to wade through too much cruft. TY! |
| 20:28.29 | nevcairiel | note that it loses your config due to the change |
| 20:28.39 | nevcairiel | so don't do it midraid :d |
| 20:28.53 | DWSR | Anyone here know of an oUF Config UI? |
| 20:28.56 | Nechckn | Lol good point. |
| 20:29.36 | Nechckn | BTW, are you planning to have it import the old config or is it too different to do that? |
| 20:29.55 | nevcairiel | the old config layout was kinda screwed up, importing that would be a real PITA, i looked into it .. but meh |
| 20:30.02 | nevcairiel | its not like its a really complex addon |
| 20:30.08 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes, it's best to nuke it from orbit. |
| 20:30.09 | Ackis | alert: I am now back to a fowl mood, no longer foul. Thank you, that is all (kitten + ferret fighting == bawwwww) |
| 20:30.46 | Nechckn | nevcairiel Just wondering - that works. |
| 20:35.41 | DWSR | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10587.html <-- What bar tex is that? |
| 20:36.31 | mikma | dwsr: lolcare |
| 20:39.44 | Lunessa | DWSR: fonts are clearly defined in the .lua for each layout. |
| 20:39.59 | DWSR | Lunessa: Bar texture.. |
| 20:40.03 | DWSR | Not font |
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| 20:40.53 | Lunessa | I grabbed it. Myriad Pro Semibold Condensed - this is not a free font. Cairenn, Dolby, Shirik ... sic 'em |
| 20:41.34 | Cairenn | Lunessa: which what huh? |
| 20:42.28 | Lunessa | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10587.html |
| 20:42.35 | Lunessa | Contains a non-free font. |
| 20:43.37 | Cairenn | k |
| 20:44.09 | Lunessa | It happens to be one of the most pirated fonts on the internet, but... still. |
| 20:44.31 | Nechckn | Is that not like every font? ;-) |
| 20:44.41 | Cairenn | pm already sent :p |
| 20:44.41 | Arrowmaster | wow thats old |
| 20:45.05 | Arrowmaster | its using libmobhealth-4.0 |
| 20:45.06 | Lunessa | Hah. I'd just like to save Zam some trouble with Adobe. |
| 20:45.07 | Nechckn | Sort of like AddOns, Movies, and Music... I should be able to use them all, for anything! |
| 20:45.22 | Nechckn | ends sacractic ranting |
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| 20:47.03 | DWSR | nevcairiel: WTB global configuration options for Quartz3. |
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| 20:47.25 | nevcairiel | global options are weird to do |
| 20:48.12 | Gagorian | Options suck to do in any case :p |
| 20:48.24 | Shirik | Lunessa: ? |
| 20:48.26 | Gagorian | I refuse to do anything else than char specific profiles at that |
| 20:48.30 | Nechckn | No options!!! Take it at default or lump it! |
| 20:48.51 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh, default. |
| 20:49.05 | olafski | doesn't the ace profiles thing give you an easy way to not-have-to-care about this stuff? |
| 20:49.08 | A-KO | So did anyone catch the show, Undercover Boss? |
| 20:49.14 | Fisker | jeg hader dig Shirik |
| 20:49.38 | Nechckn | Yeah, A-KO since it was on after the game. |
| 20:49.41 | Dewin | I will accept your addon with no options as soon as it includes support for reading my mind and doing exactly what I want. |
| 20:50.10 | Nechckn | A-KO If that was their "best", which likely it is, since it is first and all... don't think I'll be continuing to watch. |
| 20:50.13 | Lunessa | Shirik: Cairenn already got it. |
| 20:50.16 | A-KO | lol |
| 20:50.17 | A-KO | why not? |
| 20:50.20 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I meant global in that it affects every bar. |
| 20:50.23 | foxlit | Dewin: it can do anything you want, as long as what you want is a black box. |
| 20:50.24 | DWSR | nevcairiel: i.e. inheritance. |
| 20:50.32 | shifuimam | is there a GetTickCount() function in WoW? |
| 20:50.41 | Dewin | foxlit: Excellent. |
| 20:50.49 | KarlKFI|work | there's shampoo for that |
| 20:51.02 | Gagorian | olafski: Kind of, depending obviously what kind of options you're making |
| 20:51.04 | Dewin | I will take my black box rotated 37 degrees to the left in the lower-right corner of my screen with sides that are 30 pixels long. |
| 20:51.24 | Nechckn | A-KO The fact that folks know they are on a show will get out like wild fire, ruining the chance for any candid reactions. also, since they know they are on TV, if not that they are working with a CXX of the company, it lost a lot of authenticity. |
| 20:51.25 | shifuimam | someone has suggested using GetTickCount() instead of OnUpdate() for adding a delay in between iterations through an array or loop |
| 20:51.27 | foxlit | No. |
| 20:51.30 | shifuimam | i'm just wondering if that would work |
| 20:51.31 | Fisker | i yarr u Shirik |
| 20:51.36 | foxlit | The iBox comes rotated 45 degrees, and you'll like it. |
| 20:51.58 | Gagorian | olafski: If your options screen is generated as class specific, then loading a saved profile from another class may cause weird results.. I.e. settings being enabled that shouldn't and so on |
| 20:52.01 | Nechckn | A-KO It was not horrible or anything - so will likely try to catch another one just to see if it is better. |
| 20:52.20 | olafski | gagorian: oh.. never noticed that :< |
| 20:52.29 | nevcairiel | DWSR: i know what you meant, its still weird to code :P |
| 20:52.33 | A-KO | Nechckn: I would imagine that there is a lot of stuff that happened on and off camera |
| 20:52.40 | Gagorian | olafski: That's not ace profiles fault though :) |
| 20:52.47 | DWSR | nevcairiel: You mean because Lua has no concept of inheritance? |
| 20:53.00 | Nechckn | A-KO Not that a hidden camera show would be that good... always too wiggly. |
| 20:53.46 | Gagorian | olafski: Basically, what I mean is.. That you activate a certain option you can only see with a paladin and save it. Then you log onto your warrior, who doesn't have the option visible, and load the paladin profile |
| 20:53.58 | Gagorian | Now you'll have activated an option you couldn't activate on a warrior normally |
| 20:54.08 | Nechckn | A-KO I do think that it is an awesome idea for any CXX to do, though. Because even places where the President has a total open-door policy, folks still edit what they tell them, just because they are the poo-bah. |
| 20:54.35 | Nechckn | A-KO Did you like it? |
| 20:55.18 | Gagorian | So the addon can't rely directly on the options without checking the class all the time. Although, I can't think of many other examples where that would be an issue than in my addon :P |
| 20:55.28 | DWSR | Here we go, time to break my UI. |
| 20:55.29 | DWSR | Again |
| 20:55.42 | Gagorian | Hence I've limited it to char specific profiles |
| 20:56.14 | A-KO | Nechckn: yeah, I enjoyed it. Certainly would make companies a lot more interesting to work for as far as production line workers go and things like that. I think more C**'s need time in their employees' shoes |
| 20:56.50 | A-KO | might help get rid of a ton of middle management :P |
| 20:58.36 | Nechckn | A-KO That was the one sorta cool thing was him calling out the guy with the 2 for 1 minute docking policy. |
| 20:58.43 | A-KO | yeah |
| 20:58.45 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 20:58.53 | A-KO | it's like "oh, shit" lol |
| 20:58.58 | Shirik | your brothers |
| 20:59.07 | Shirik | they are being discriminated against by Verizon |
| 21:00.16 | aloahe | Hello, I have a general question. Now that Blizzard save all the whispers and other chat things in WoW I wondered if someone created an encryption addon, e.g. for whispers. Now, after several month I can not find any addon like this, so I decided to learn addon development and create one. But I do not think that I am the first person who comes to this idear so I wonder if there are some legal issues or not. Do you know some issues? I kn |
| 21:00.18 | aloahe | ow LUA has no bitwise operator and so on, but I do not want Blizzard to save all my ingame conversation. (Sorry for my bad English) |
| 21:00.55 | Shirik | huh? |
| 21:01.04 | A-KO | aloahe: then don't play WoW |
| 21:01.32 | KarlKFI|work | it shouldn't be all that hard. just have to make sure your encrypted chat uses chat-allowable characters |
| 21:01.46 | A-KO | chat allowable characters and other people to have the addon :P |
| 21:01.49 | aloahe | A-KO: Yeah, just quit yesterday, but would like to finish the AddOn. |
| 21:01.49 | Shirik | First off, you can do bitwise arithmetic. Secondly, it's definitely possible. Thirdly, there's no way I'm going to help you do that, because there should be nothing you need to hide. |
| 21:02.07 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowace.com/addons/private-chat/ |
| 21:02.21 | Arrowmaster | no idea if it still works |
| 21:02.32 | Shirik | I wonder what the security is on that |
| 21:03.02 | Arrowmaster | it used MD5lib and TEAlib |
| 21:03.06 | aloahe | Arrowmaster: Thank you. Just what I was looking for. Bye. |
| 21:03.08 | Arrowmaster | there was an AESlib too |
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| 21:03.19 | Dagmar | Terrorists can find plenty of free games to talk over |
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| 21:04.14 | KarlKFI|work | could use it for anything really. i've heard of business conducting interviews in wow |
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| 21:04.18 | Nechckn | lol.. I agree, Shirik. Worried about what conversations, exactly? |
| 21:05.12 | Dagmar | Pedophiles should stay on AOL where they belong. |
| 21:05.45 | Arrowmaster | ive been interviewed in wow before, but it wasnt much of an interview and i wasnt even sure who the guy was or what it was for, my friend had just recommended me to somebody he knew |
| 21:05.46 | Dagmar | If you are trying to hide messages from your overbearing gov't, DON'T SCREW AROUND SOME SOME LUA HACK |
| 21:06.07 | Nechckn | Well, come on, though... there are so many other mediums you could use. |
| 21:06.07 | Dagmar | Use strong crypto and TOR like sane people. |
| 21:06.42 | Dagmar | Using a half-assed encryption mechanism and counting on the relatively obscurity of a gaming network to hide you is rather like playing Russian Roulette with slightly more bullets than normal. |
| 21:07.21 | Dagmar | The "Blizzard doesn't need to record my conversatons" argument fails utterly in the face of "Many gov'ts will just shoot you in the face, for real" |
| 21:08.01 | Nechckn | Especially for that naughty chat you just had with your in-game girlfriend, who happens to be a dude. |
| 21:08.11 | zenzelezz | I use XOR to encrypt all my data |
| 21:08.14 | KarlKFI|work | i dunno. i'd be more worried about chat being sent in clear text over the wire |
| 21:08.27 | foxlit | zenzelezz: personally, I use XOR twice, for double the privacy. |
| 21:08.52 | Nechckn | Three times, for triple, foxlit? |
| 21:08.52 | zenzelezz | what's 0 xor 0 again? |
| 21:08.54 | Dagmar | Gotta use complementary bit pairs |
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| 21:10.00 | Dagmar | 0x55 and 0xAA == A1 SEKURITEE |
| 21:11.29 | Shirik | ow |
| 21:11.31 | Shirik | flashback |
| 21:11.39 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
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| 21:11.46 | Shirik | a protocol I designed 2 years ago has a preamble of 0x555555AA |
| 21:11.47 | Nechckn | Not to mention that anyone who really would need your secret photo of your nether regions can get to it, since you are sending it to half of the BE "females", anyway. |
| 21:12.06 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 21:12.08 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 21:12.10 | Fisker | hey |
| 21:12.21 | Shirik | hey |
| 21:12.27 | Fisker | hello |
| 21:12.31 | Shirik | hey HEY hey |
| 21:12.39 | Fisker | no no no NO NO NO no no |
| 21:12.44 | KarlKFI|work | ~whalenuke fisker |
| 21:12.45 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around fisker with his mind powers. |
| 21:12.49 | Shirik | I win |
| 21:13.42 | Lunessa | I'm SO glad WoW's chat feature does not include binary file transfer. |
| 21:14.18 | KarlKFI|work | lol |
| 21:14.19 | DWSR | LOL |
| 21:14.39 | DWSR | Preserve? |
| 21:14.40 | DWSR | Why? |
| 21:14.44 | DWSR | There's no truth in it! |
| 21:15.38 | DWSR | Is there any way to hook up SUF's boss frames to DBM's boss frames? |
| 21:15.40 | Lunessa | Imagine the Deeprun Tram if it did? |
| 21:16.52 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: |
| 21:16.54 | DWSR | Lunessa: |
| 21:16.57 | AbsolutRayne | ? |
| 21:17.05 | DWSR | post me a pic of your UI again? |
| 21:17.07 | DWSR | Lunessa: You too |
| 21:18.00 | Lunessa | DWSR - http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/WoW%20Interface%20Gallery/ |
| 21:18.10 | Lunessa | All the ones I bothered up upload screenies of. |
| 21:18.13 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 21:18.17 | Fisker | lets fly on the wings on love |
| 21:18.22 | Shirik | Fisker, you got nuked |
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| 21:18.47 | Lunessa | DWSR - the most recent 4 all use SUF |
| 21:19.01 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 21:19.12 | DWSR | I'm playing around with SUF mostly because I'm way too farking lazy to config oUF atm |
| 21:20.11 | DWSR | I'm playing around with doing something like |Target of Target | |Player| |Target| |
| 21:20.29 | DWSR | Or maybe |Player| |Target of Target| |Target| |
| 21:21.22 | Fisker | but why, Shirik? |
| 21:21.33 | Shirik | because KarlKFI|work deemed it so |
| 21:22.45 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/ctrlaltdel/1402/20100208.jpg |
| 21:23.01 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck http://rawstory.com/2010/02/south-carolinas-subversive-activities-registration-act-force/ |
| 21:23.05 | Fisker | i don't think so Shirik |
| 21:23.16 | Lunessa | I do this |Player| focus/tot |target| - I use combat fader on player and focus, and then I do |Party1| - |Party4| in a horizontal below that, then a block for a 25 man raid in that space below my player/target and above my action bars. All my buffs are handled by Satrina Buff Frames |
| 21:23.26 | DWSR | mikma: cad is only funny on the official website. |
| 21:23.56 | Fisker | http://www.lunaran.com/pics/bobocomoehdrttb2usoa.jpg oh u |
| 21:24.49 | DWSR | hehe |
| 21:25.04 | mikma | dwsr: well, i always link it from that site cause it has all the comics i watch gathered at one paage. deal with it or diaf. |
| 21:25.06 | DWSR | Lunessa: Yeah, that sounds good. |
| 21:25.11 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: Sorry, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_020810_130634.jpg |
| 21:25.14 | AbsolutRayne | Playing HoN |
| 21:25.16 | DWSR | mikma: Google reader kthx. |
| 21:25.26 | Lunessa | DWSR - I'd be happy to send you my saved variables. |
| 21:25.26 | DWSR | np |
| 21:25.34 | DWSR | Lunessa: Nah, just looking for inspiration. |
| 21:25.39 | Lunessa | ok |
| 21:25.40 | DWSR | Don't want to be forkin' ur UI. |
| 21:25.47 | DWSR | Even though it's probably under the GPL. |
| 21:26.00 | DWSR | Because, you know, it's cool to not want FOSS projects to be forked. |
| 21:26.02 | Lunessa | Nothing all that special about my layout. |
| 21:26.04 | mikma | dwsr: go for it, i still use this one |
| 21:26.09 | DWSR | and then release them under licenses that are. |
| 21:26.27 | DWSR | Lunessa: No, I know. You obviously missed my GPL drama |
| 21:26.28 | Lunessa | I don't distribute my layout. I just grab the AddOns and spend an hour or so fiddling with it. |
| 21:26.34 | Lunessa | Heh |
| 21:26.41 | Lunessa | Probably not. |
| 21:26.56 | DWSR | Lunessa: Do you play a pet class? |
| 21:27.08 | Lunessa | Warlock and shaman. |
| 21:27.15 | DWSR | Pet frame? |
| 21:27.26 | DWSR | I'm thinking over the player frame |
| 21:27.32 | Lunessa | I put the pet frame above the chat window on the left, and the pet bar below that. |
| 21:27.33 | DWSR | then have an SCD bar on top of that |
| 21:27.41 | DWSR | hmm |
| 21:39.49 | A-KO | http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4977/img0477f.jpg < Baltimore got buried :P |
| 21:40.30 | Arrowmaster | ive seen worse |
| 21:40.41 | A-KO | we're about to get another 12-18 inches on top of that |
| 21:40.46 | Dagmar | "OMG it's the snowpocalypse!" |
| 21:41.07 | A-KO | http://llnw.static.cbslocal.com/station/wjz/oceancityforecast2009/Predicted%20Snow%20Map.jpg < Tuesday night |
| 21:41.08 | A-KO | lol |
| 21:41.50 | Dagmar | It's the 3"-6" "mixed" that you should fear |
| 21:42.35 | A-KO | nah, see, the stuff here freezes and melts, freezes and melts--on a cycle, repeatedly |
| 21:42.42 | A-KO | we'll be seeing this cycle for the next week or two |
| 21:43.05 | Arrowmaster | or that less than 1" but it iced over the roads like we got 2 weeks ago |
| 21:43.09 | Dagmar | It's the stuff that falls in a semi-frozen state and sticks to power lines and trees you should be afraid of |
| 21:43.28 | Dagmar | That stuff will send you back to the dark ages if you have unburied utilities |
| 21:43.36 | Dagmar | It can take your internets AWAY |
| 21:44.22 | Torhal | Dagmar: I'm pretty sure with glowsticks and LSD the pretend internets can happen! |
| 21:44.34 | Dagmar | That it can, indeed. :) |
| 21:45.38 | nicoli_s | you dont need that first one, the second one will be plenty :P |
| 21:46.04 | Dagmar | Nonsense. Glowsticks serve an essential purpose. |
| 21:46.13 | Dagmar | "If it's still glowing, you're probably still tripping. Do not panic." |
| 21:46.17 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 21:46.38 | nicoli_s | but any sort of fast movement should also let you know if yer still tripping |
| 21:46.46 | nicoli_s | that and that melting into the floor feeling |
| 21:47.04 | A-KO | Dagmar: thing about Baltimore is we're kind of in the middle of this BS......if there's one place that has the strangest weather patterns, it's Maryland--and Baltimore in particular. We get around 2-3 major snowstorms per decade, then some years no snow at all, other years we'll get tropical storms, hurricanes, etc. |
| 21:47.29 | nicoli_s | that cant top huntsville, snow, then tornado, then back to snow in 2 week |
| 21:47.37 | A-KO | nice |
| 21:47.40 | A-KO | yeah that's pretty crazy |
| 21:47.55 | A-KO | we've had some pretty major flooding, Hurricane Isabel was pretty interesting for us |
| 21:47.55 | nicoli_s | and the tornado was right above the part of town i just moved to |
| 21:48.08 | Dagmar | Don't forget the fishmen cults. |
| 21:48.12 | nicoli_s | all the people i know who live there have these crazy pics of it forming, and one guy has a perfect pic of the eyee of the storm |
| 21:48.20 | A-KO | My friend from Quebec, first time he came to Baltimore and stayed over the summer, he was amazed at the power of the storms we had. |
| 21:48.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Kandoko (~Kandoko@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Kandoko) |
| 21:48.50 | A-KO | but equally the 8 feet of snow he gets on occasion amazes me :P |
| 21:49.04 | Dagmar | nicoli_s: Side note, it's not always possible to be sure if you're tripping or not, and digital watches don't really help |
| 21:49.16 | DWSR | A-KO: You should delete your friend's phone number. |
| 21:49.20 | nicoli_s | Dagmar: isnt that part of the fun :P |
| 21:49.21 | DWSR | Nothing good has come out of quebec. Ever. |
| 21:49.25 | Dagmar | Not for some people. |
| 21:49.36 | DWSR | Just let them rot in their "distinct society" |
| 21:49.37 | Dagmar | I used to get called on to babysit people who'd overshot their tolerance at raves. |
| 21:49.49 | Dagmar | Not because I was sober, but because I can handle it |
| 21:49.50 | nicoli_s | oh god, i bet that has to suck |
| 21:50.04 | A-KO | lol DWSR |
| 21:50.05 | nicoli_s | i had drunk/tripping/whatever sitting |
| 21:50.08 | nicoli_s | hate* |
| 21:50.09 | A-KO | I rather like Quebec, the people are nice |
| 21:50.22 | DWSR | A-KO: Actually, they're assholes if you venture outside of the tourist areas. |
| 21:50.26 | A-KO | eh |
| 21:50.30 | DWSR | Quebec sucks. Period. |
| 21:50.36 | Cairenn | DWSR: take it easy |
| 21:50.37 | Dagmar | Once you get through to them that it's normal that they can't count their own fingers, and that this stuff *will* actually wear off in a few hours, they're a lot more manageable |
| 21:50.45 | A-KO | lol, what makes you think I haven't? I've spent more time in areas outside of touristy places than in while up there :P |
| 21:50.50 | DWSR | It's a shit part of this country and I wish the British had had the right mind to kick all of the French back to France when they won the war. |
| 21:50.59 | A-KO | lol |
| 21:51.06 | Dagmar | For some people, LSD is the first time they _really_ learn the meaning of "faith" |
| 21:51.16 | nicoli_s | yah, thats always the hardest thing for peopel to realize, yes the whole entire world and yer pereception is all fucked up, but give it time, itll go away |
| 21:51.23 | DWSR | That and all of the natives, but don't get me started on those or Cairenn's going to end up banning me. |
| 21:51.25 | Dagmar | You find religion pretty damn fast if you can't handle the walls laughing at you |
| 21:51.33 | nicoli_s | lets just hope you didnt take some peyote and that itll go away time isnt 16 hours away |
| 21:51.46 | Dagmar | Oh god never tell someone the whole world is messed up. |
| 21:51.52 | Dagmar | That's exactly what's driving most of them nuts. |
| 21:51.54 | Cairenn | DWSR: you're right |
| 21:51.56 | DWSR | Dagmar: The problem is that it IS messed up. |
| 21:52.00 | Dagmar | They believe what they see |
| 21:52.07 | A-KO | DWSR: Honestly, I haven't had much of a problem with the people there. Though it probably helps that I am around my friend most of the time while there. |
| 21:52.14 | DWSR | A-KO: Significantly. |
| 21:52.33 | nicoli_s | i had to talk my gf down from a bad trip at this festival a few years back, ruined the whole night |
| 21:52.34 | DWSR | It's like walking into Pacific Mall without an asian. |
| 21:52.38 | Dagmar | Tell 'em the world is operating the same as it was yesterday, time is not in fact skipping around on them, and that "It's just the drugs" is their new mantra |
| 21:52.38 | nicoli_s | and i missed tom petty! |
| 21:52.51 | DWSR | ouch nicoli_s |
| 21:52.52 | Cairenn | DWSR: seriously - chill |
| 21:53.07 | DWSR | Cairenn: What, you've never walked into Pacific Mall without an Asian? |
| 21:53.14 | DWSR | Cairenn: I'm not trying to be racist. I'm serious. |
| 21:53.18 | DWSR | It's like a whole other country in there. |
| 21:53.21 | A-KO | DWSR: I've struck up a conversation here and there with people there that speak English, they're generally nice--but then again, I come from Baltimore.....people in DC and Maryland are *real* assholes, and it's not difficult to be nicer than what we have here. |
| 21:53.41 | DWSR | A-KO: Fair enough |
| 21:54.04 | Dagmar | It's actually an _asian_ mall |
| 21:54.15 | A-KO | Get on the DC Beltway at any point and you'll quickly see how many assholes there are on the roads around here :P it resonates through society. It's been really interesting in my travels to note it. |
| 21:54.46 | DWSR | Dagmar: Of course it is. |
| 21:54.49 | DWSR | Dagmar: That's my point, though. |
| 21:54.58 | Dagmar | Yeah I think he thought you were being capricious |
| 21:55.16 | Dagmar | It confuses people when it's not named things like "JapanTown" |
| 21:55.21 | DWSR | mhm |
| 21:55.29 | DWSR | Well it's in the middle of what should be called Little China. |
| 21:55.32 | DWSR | fo real. |
| 21:55.59 | DWSR | I laugh when I see on the news "A circle of movie pirates was busted today in Pacific Mall" |
| 21:56.03 | DWSR | I'm like...ORLY? |
| 21:56.07 | Dagmar | hah |
| 21:56.16 | A-KO | I should venture out Western Canada sometime |
| 21:56.25 | DWSR | A-KO: Nothing to see unless you're talking about BC. |
| 21:56.36 | Cairenn | oy |
| 21:56.43 | DWSR | A-KO: You can pretty much skip Alberta, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan without missing anything seriously exciting. |
| 21:56.45 | A-KO | DWSR: Actually, Vancouver seems like too much of the touristy thing to do. Maybe Alberta somewhere :P |
| 21:57.01 | Dagmar | I liked Toronto |
| 21:57.08 | A-KO | see, the thing about cities is that--every major city you go to is the same, generally. Same food, same types of people, unless you completely swap cultures. |
| 21:57.11 | Dagmar | Some freaky chicks there. |
| 21:57.15 | DWSR | A-KO: lol, yeah Vancouver's pretty bad sometime. |
| 21:57.22 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah. Toronto's a great city. I like Ottawa too though |
| 21:57.25 | Cairenn | Dagmar: aka wanna-be NYC-north |
| 21:57.32 | A-KO | NYC is something else entirely |
| 21:57.35 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 21:57.37 | A-KO | I doubt Vancouver could compare to NYC |
| 21:57.40 | Dagmar | Cairenn: Hey, for once I was definitel the scariest person around |
| 21:57.43 | Dagmar | I can deal with that. |
| 21:57.44 | DWSR | Manhattan's amazing. |
| 21:57.47 | A-KO | nothing compares to NYC, except maybe Tokyo or Hong Kong |
| 21:57.47 | Cairenn | TO, not Vancouver :p |
| 21:57.51 | A-KO | TO, not even |
| 21:57.53 | A-KO | trust me |
| 21:57.54 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 21:57.59 | DWSR | TO is nothing in comparison to NYC. |
| 21:58.03 | Dagmar | More cities should have people like me being the most dangerous thing in sight. It would seriously cut down on hazards |
| 21:58.03 | Cairenn | no, you guys missed what I said |
| 21:58.10 | Cairenn | WANNA-BE |
| 21:58.13 | DWSR | ah. |
| 21:58.14 | Dagmar | I had a "first nationer" make the sign of hte horns at me |
| 21:58.20 | A-KO | Manhattan is an entirely different world in and of itself |
| 21:58.22 | Dagmar | Hadda go back and ask WTF that was |
| 21:58.23 | DWSR | Meh, I don't think so. |
| 21:58.29 | DWSR | Dagmar: First nationer. |
| 21:58.35 | DWSR | Don't mention these words around me. |
| 21:58.40 | Cairenn | DWSR: stop |
| 21:58.43 | Cairenn | right now |
| 21:58.47 | A-KO | I've been all over the US, and Manhattan Island is a freakin' world of wonder :P At least from the skyline point of view, the amount of buildings, everything. |
| 21:58.57 | Cairenn | you are this >< close to getting a vacation from the channel |
| 21:58.58 | DWSR | A-KO: Times Square is awesome. |
| 21:58.59 | Dagmar | Man I was watching a history show up there for twenty minutes before I even figured out what the term meant |
| 21:59.15 | A-KO | DWSR: I go there from time to time, it's too many people for my liking though. I haven't been in a few years. |
| 21:59.18 | Lunessa | Manhattan - the only place where four motorists tried to kill me before I even left the airport. |
| 21:59.28 | DWSR | A-KO: You have to see it at least once though |
| 21:59.33 | Dagmar | Yeah, this is why I've no problme with Toronto being "wannabe" |
| 21:59.45 | A-KO | Times Square during a weekend summer night is wall to wall people |
| 22:00.04 | DWSR | Toronto's different than NYC in that Toronto's a garden salad whereas NYC is a melting pot. And I'm OK with that. |
| 22:00.05 | Dagmar | No one tried to kill me even once the whole week I was up there |
| 22:00.09 | DWSR | A-KO: Yeah, I went in like March. And it was cold. |
| 22:00.17 | DWSR | and it was honestly great. |
| 22:00.36 | DWSR | Just stand around lookin at shit. |
| 22:00.37 | A-KO | DWSR: I've been in January before, was pretty empty in January. Did the whole Times Square/Central Park/MET thing while there that time. |
| 22:00.42 | A-KO | still haven't seen the statue of liberty though |
| 22:00.50 | Lunessa | I've done a lot of traveling and live in lots of places. I think, if I were wealthy again, I'd seek out all new places to move to. I don't think I want to live in any of the place I have previously. |
| 22:00.50 | DWSR | Me either. |
| 22:00.53 | Cairenn | DWSR: thank you very much, my brother in law is first nation - I grew up in Montreal and Saskatoon, I have family that has a ranch in Alberta ... and all of it is completely irrelevant - what is relevant is that we expect the same behaviour in here as we do on our sites, and prejudice isn't acceptable |
| 22:00.54 | A-KO | but I might consider taking a date to the restaurant in the freedom tower when it's built. |
| 22:01.39 | DWSR | Cairenn: I have plenty of friends who are first nation. None of them want to claim their status. |
| 22:01.45 | DWSR | Regardless, you've made your point. |
| 22:01.52 | nicoli_s | everyone knows the "freedom tower" is never going to be built |
| 22:01.54 | Cairenn | thank you |
| 22:01.57 | A-KO | I think one of the most interesting things about traveling is just how much you learn you're comfortable with from your own area. Even the minor details. Even driving 2 hours in one direction in the US is a completely different world. |
| 22:02.19 | DWSR | A-KO: Driving 2h is a long way in the US. |
| 22:02.25 | Dagmar | A-ko: Yes, I can go from almost fitting in, to being the target of every hillbilly in 100 yards. ;) |
| 22:02.26 | A-KO | I just did it today...lol |
| 22:02.40 | DWSR | Comparatively, in Canada, 2h is like a morning commute to work for some people. |
| 22:02.41 | *** join/#wowuidev xqo (~xqo@195.131.251.212.customer.cdi.no) |
| 22:02.42 | A-KO | I drove halfway across PA today to pick my brother up..... :P |
| 22:02.54 | A-KO | eh, 2H is a commute around here, but I mean, if you get out of traffic areas |
| 22:02.56 | Dagmar | ...although you can apparently do that in Atlanta in the space of a few blocks if you take a wrong turn off Peachtree |
| 22:03.04 | DWSR | A-KO: No, I'm talking about 2h of 70+ |
| 22:03.09 | durcyn | two hours doesn't even get me out of the state |
| 22:03.13 | A-KO | it took me 2.5 hours to drive from Philadelphia to Lancaster, PA. You go from big city HQ of Comcast to Amish people :P |
| 22:03.23 | Dagmar | I actually stopped to ask directions from a drug dealer down there once, because the drug dealer was "known territory" |
| 22:03.29 | DWSR | durcyn: 2h doesn't get me out of the township. |
| 22:03.36 | Dagmar | The other people were "unknown risk factor -- probably heavily armed" territory |
| 22:03.45 | Lunessa | Depends where you are in the US. 2 hours barely gets you across Houston. |
| 22:04.17 | DWSR | Lunessa: Yeah. It's just that the US is a) a lot smaller and b) a lot more compact. |
| 22:04.30 | DWSR | I've driven around the states a bit and...everything's close. |
| 22:04.31 | Lunessa | ... than what? |
| 22:04.35 | DWSR | Canada. |
| 22:04.38 | A-KO | east coast is really close |
| 22:04.40 | A-KO | go out midwest |
| 22:04.42 | A-KO | it's a bit different |
| 22:04.49 | DWSR | West coast is pretty close as well |
| 22:04.52 | Dagmar | It's a *lot* different |
| 22:04.55 | Lunessa | Nah, you've mostly seen costal regions then. |
| 22:04.58 | A-KO | I've driven from Baltimore to Dallas for Quakecon :P |
| 22:04.59 | DWSR | Haven't visited the midwest. |
| 22:05.03 | A-KO | the middle of the country is fucking empty |
| 22:05.05 | DWSR | Don't really want to either. :P |
| 22:05.09 | Dagmar | The midwest has *lots and lots* of "empty" |
| 22:05.12 | DWSR | A-KO: Yeah, so is Canada. |
| 22:05.16 | A-KO | though I did see a redneck guy put his mini dog on the front of his motorcyle in Arkansas once |
| 22:05.18 | DWSR | It's like 4 days of solid "nada" |
| 22:05.18 | A-KO | that was pretty funny |
| 22:05.28 | Nechckn | A-KO I live in DC now... it really depends on where you are as to the type of people. But on the roads, as you note, it is a different story. |
| 22:05.34 | Lunessa | I've driven parts of Interstate 10 where there is NOTHING for 300+ miles. |
| 22:05.53 | DWSR | That's just the interior of the continent, tbh. |
| 22:06.00 | Gnarfoz | that's about how wide my country is at the narrowest point, Lunessa. :( |
| 22:06.02 | DWSR | Like, the interior of the continent is a complete desert. |
| 22:06.16 | A-KO | Nechckn: lol, I avoid 495 if I can.....though I often have to take it to get to buddy's houses. 695 up here in Baltimore isn't nearly as bad, though the northeastern parts of 95 (across the bay) tend to get pretty messy |
| 22:06.16 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Where are you from? Russia? |
| 22:06.25 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: Texas, big enough to be a nation on its own, but still smaller than Alaska. |
| 22:06.37 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: what? :D how does that compute |
| 22:06.49 | Dagmar | Same number of loons with rifles, same number of IQ points as Maryland. |
| 22:06.49 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Dude, I dunno. I just threw out the only country that's bigger than Canada. |
| 22:06.51 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: I'm aware - Germany fits into Texas 2.something times |
| 22:06.54 | A-KO | Nechckn: *IN GENERAL*, if you compare the MD/DC area to somewhere like the deep south (TN/SC) ; you will find a huge huge difference in the average areas. |
| 22:07.02 | Lunessa | And I used to live in Northern VA outside DC. 2 hours driving there is a whole different setting. |
| 22:07.06 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: I was pointing out how small, not how big, Germany is ;) |
| 22:07.08 | Nechckn | A-KO the best pic I've seen was of the ramps there by the harbor - with the tons of snow piled up and not a single car/plow even trying to drive on it. |
| 22:07.10 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Ah. |
| 22:07.17 | A-KO | lol Nechckn |
| 22:07.25 | A-KO | oh god |
| 22:07.27 | A-KO | that's a good point.. |
| 22:07.27 | Lunessa | Germany, small and fights way out of its weight-class. |
| 22:07.31 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 22:07.45 | DWSR | What makes me lulz is Northern Canada. |
| 22:07.46 | A-KO | I was in Philly for the snow, Nechckn. So yeah, that area near the harbor there, I drive by that for my morning commute..... |
| 22:07.53 | Nechckn | Lunessa were you Shirik's neighbor? |
| 22:07.54 | A-KO | DWSR: I want to go there once :P I rather enjoy nature. |
| 22:08.01 | Shirik | ... what? |
| 22:08.10 | DWSR | A-KO: I love snow. I love the outdoors, I really do. |
| 22:08.14 | Lunessa | Shirik is too young to have been my neighbor. |
| 22:08.15 | DWSR | A-KO: There is *NOTHING*. |
| 22:08.25 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: economically, I hope we can keep it up. :P |
| 22:08.27 | DWSR | If you thought the midwest was empty, there is NOTHING in the north. |
| 22:08.30 | Nechckn | Was that during your AOL phase, Lunessa? |
| 22:08.35 | Dagmar | There's definitely a difference in population consistency between DC and TN |
| 22:08.41 | A-KO | haha Dagmar, definitely. |
| 22:08.46 | DWSR | The entire population of Northern Canada is less than the amount of students enrolled at my university atm. |
| 22:08.50 | Lunessa | Nechckn: Yeah. I lived in NoVA from 93 - 2000 |
| 22:08.56 | A-KO | Dagmar: but the people are also nicer in TN, generally. I noted it in SC also. Just the average greeting of people. |
| 22:08.57 | xqo | Can i get the state of a frame somehow? I want to check if a frame is visible |
| 22:09.02 | Nechckn | Lunessa Back when it was out in the middle of the empty country? |
| 22:09.04 | Nechckn | =) |
| 22:09.05 | Gnarfoz | !api visible |
| 22:09.08 | lua_bot | Found 15 possible matches for 'visible'. Please be more specific |
| 22:09.10 | Gnarfoz | bleh |
| 22:09.15 | DWSR | xqo: Frame:Visible() iirc |
| 22:09.16 | Gnarfoz | !api isshown |
| 22:09.17 | lua_bot | VisibleRegion:IsShown: Returns whether the region is shown (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/VisibleRegion/IsShown) |
| 22:09.21 | Gnarfoz | !api isivisible |
| 22:09.21 | DWSR | yeah, that |
| 22:09.21 | Dagmar | TN's capital county, Davidson County, might as well be renamed Metro-Nashville county. It's like DC with fewer tall buildings. Just continuous sprawl into all eight surrounding counties |
| 22:09.22 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'isivisible'. |
| 22:09.27 | Gnarfoz | !api isvisible |
| 22:09.28 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'isvisible': VisibleRegion:IsVisible, UnitIsVisible |
| 22:09.30 | Lunessa | Nechckn: I lived in Manassas. And AOL headquarters was in Tyson's Corner. |
| 22:09.31 | xqo | thanks |
| 22:09.31 | Gnarfoz | can't type for shit today |
| 22:09.35 | A-KO | Dagmar: great example here, I stopped at a Wendy's in Knoxville on the way home once, the dude behind the counter was EXTREMELY nice, almost made me uncomfortable. |
| 22:09.44 | Gnarfoz | xqo: keep in mind shown and visible are different things |
| 22:09.44 | A-KO | in Baltimore or DC, you're lucky to get a straw and your order correct |
| 22:09.49 | Dagmar | Beyond that point tho, every 15-20 years TN Corps of Engineers throws in a new _lake_ and only has to dispossess like 2-3 people |
| 22:09.52 | A-KO | and maybe lucky not to hear a fuck :P |
| 22:10.01 | Thrae | So if I want to farm Heirlooms for another character, would the best way be Random Dungeon Finder? |
| 22:10.06 | Nechckn | Lunessa Yeah.. you know what I mean, though, heck.. those places were like farmland until 2K or so. |
| 22:10.06 | DWSR | Thrae: Yes. |
| 22:10.08 | DWSR | Absolutely. |
| 22:10.21 | DWSR | Thrae: You can make >10 badges per hour with good groups and the right heroics. |
| 22:10.21 | Lunessa | Yeah. Loudon county... EMPTY |
| 22:10.52 | Thrae | Yeah, we just need to control Wintergrasp more often so I can get Shards too. |
| 22:10.52 | Lunessa | And then a bunch of guys in jeans and polo shirts started dropping 3-5 mill on land. |
| 22:11.04 | Dagmar | I thought the water shortage in the SE last year was pretty funny |
| 22:11.12 | Thrae | You need 200 for the Heirloom. |
| 22:11.16 | Dagmar | Missouri and Alabama arguing over water rights |
| 22:11.27 | Thrae | A-KO: Do you live in Maryland now? |
| 22:11.50 | Dagmar | Tennessee kind of whistling nonchalantly and hoping not to be noticed because we've got ten freaking lakes filled with water over half of which are man-made |
| 22:12.30 | Dagmar | ...and smart people do *not* drink this water. |
| 22:12.38 | DWSR | Dagmar: Speaking of water. |
| 22:12.44 | DWSR | Dagmar: Bottled water has to be the biggest scam going. |
| 22:12.49 | Lunessa | Tennessee - the only place I've driven with more mountains than Colorado and California |
| 22:13.01 | Dagmar | We keep 'em all in one place |
| 22:13.07 | DWSR | Lunessa: You should drive through the Rockies sometime. They're really nice. |
| 22:13.14 | nicoli_s | i like tennesse for bonnaroooo! |
| 22:13.30 | Dagmar | Ordinarily I'd go to that |
| 22:13.39 | Lunessa | DWSR I have. Many times. |
| 22:13.41 | Dagmar | Except I'm not exposing myself to that many unwashed hippies |
| 22:13.56 | Dagmar | At least people kept their hygiene up for Lollapalooza |
| 22:14.23 | nicoli_s | hey, my group has a solar shower |
| 22:14.27 | nicoli_s | so we arent TOO nasty |
| 22:14.35 | nicoli_s | and the lineup this year is gonna be so good |
| 22:15.08 | Dagmar | Still, you know you pretty much wipe out the munchies supply for that entire county, rigt? |
| 22:15.26 | nicoli_s | lol i can imagine |
| 22:15.34 | Dagmar | Places take out loans to buy more munchies to get delivered in daily |
| 22:15.56 | nicoli_s | yah we talked to some vendors who were mentioning how they had made like 15 grand selling ciggarettes in like 2 days |
| 22:16.14 | Lunessa | I need to get in on that action. |
| 22:16.38 | Dagmar | I keep waiting for there to be an inopportune interstate closure that results in near immediate decline to cannibalism |
| 22:16.48 | DWSR | lol |
| 22:16.59 | nicoli_s | well it was cuz the festival happened right after they raised cigg prices lunessa, so people bought shit tons of them and jacked the price up |
| 22:17.00 | DWSR | Why can I imagine that actually happening? |
| 22:17.02 | DWSR | Damnit Dagmar. |
| 22:17.12 | nicoli_s | sadly people were paying like 12 bucks for a pack of 2.50 ciggarettes |
| 22:17.33 | Dagmar | DWSR: Because ther'es horrifying logistics involved in dropping ten times the normal population of the country in for the weekend |
| 22:17.40 | Dagmar | er county |
| 22:17.57 | Dagmar | DragonC0n doesn't kill Atlanta because it's freaking Atlanta |
| 22:18.11 | Dagmar | Bonnaroo is getting that size, without the infrastructure of a major city |
| 22:18.26 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: One of my jobs in college was selling giant soft pretzels at events. In 1984 I was charging $3 for a pretzel. I have no problem charging whatever the market will bear for a product. :) |
| 22:18.44 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 22:18.51 | Dagmar | You don't really need to gouge when you can basically sell as many pretzels as you can have trucked in |
| 22:19.05 | Dagmar | It becomes a matter of transactions per minute |
| 22:19.40 | nicoli_s | its just funny seeing the hippies go "no way im spending 5 bucks markup on some drugs. oh those ciggarettes are at 500% the normal price? gimme" |
| 22:19.59 | Lunessa | Dagmar: The problem was usually the number of splits of the cost. Venue, Vendor License Holder, Raw Product Cost, My Cut, etc. Added up pretty fast to a $3 pretzel. |
| 22:20.17 | Dagmar | Oh yeah |
| 22:20.33 | DWSR | nicoli_s: Because hippies usually deal with drug prices all the time. Buying munchies when they're out? Not so much. Usually they bring them. |
| 22:20.56 | nicoli_s | im just lucky my group is bringing a grill this time |
| 22:21.05 | nicoli_s | so only eating my food + 1 dollar grilled cheese |
| 22:21.12 | Dagmar | They also know there's likely more sources for their rolls than there are cigarette vendors |
| 22:21.20 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 22:21.26 | nicoli_s | that is probably true |
| 22:21.33 | DWSR | s/probably/definitely/ |
| 22:21.34 | DWSR | fixt |
| 22:21.44 | Dagmar | That's why the po-po's clamped down last year |
| 22:22.31 | nicoli_s | meh, it didnt seem they really cared that much to me |
| 22:22.31 | DWSR | Clamped down is relative, amirite? |
| 22:22.31 | nicoli_s | i know at some festivals they went all commando and shit, arresting people at their campsites and shit |
| 22:22.37 | nicoli_s | and man my vocabulary shrinks as the day goes on |
| 22:22.37 | Dagmar | Well, they got the idea that there were basiclaly 30 or 40 station wagons filled to overflowing with pot driven in, just for starters. |
| 22:22.52 | DWSR | nicoli_s: and shit. |
| 22:22.53 | DWSR | :P |
| 22:22.59 | Dagmar | That's just a bit too high volume to fit the "keeping a low profile" rule |
| 22:23.18 | Dagmar | They busted one guy with enough X to get _everyone_ at the show high |
| 22:23.26 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 22:23.28 | DWSR | Dagmar: Not to mention, don't cops make some money off of the drugs that they seize? |
| 22:23.35 | Dagmar | They don't. |
| 22:23.38 | DWSR | Dagmar: That was probably all for his personal use only, anyway. |
| 22:24.10 | Dagmar | Might well have been. I know I've seen some rather heroic consumption at some of these shows |
| 22:24.22 | nicoli_s | @DSWR: the cops make some fun off the drugs they sieze |
| 22:24.26 | Dagmar | Ya have to keep the supply down or you wind up with an "ambulance lane" |
| 22:24.33 | Dagmar | Too many idiots |
| 22:24.44 | nicoli_s | yah, lsd + melting heat = not good |
| 22:26.12 | DWSR | Not that I've ever tried LSD. |
| 22:26.16 | DWSR | But I've heard X is a hell of a drug |
| 22:26.21 | nicoli_s | yah....um....me neither... |
| 22:26.26 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 22:26.31 | DWSR | Notice I said heard. |
| 22:26.50 | DWSR | and hell has all those...umm..negative connotations.....n shit |
| 22:26.55 | DWSR | [/nicoli_s]\ |
| 22:27.00 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 22:27.18 | nicoli_s | man im so glad to be working on some new interesting stuff finally |
| 22:27.27 | DWSR | E? |
| 22:27.29 | DWSR | I mean.... |
| 22:27.30 | DWSR | *cough* |
| 22:27.37 | DWSR | ;) |
| 22:27.58 | nicoli_s | work stuff i mean |
| 22:28.08 | DWSR | Oh, so THAT'S what we're calling it now? |
| 22:28.09 | nicoli_s | cant even talk about it its so cool |
| 22:28.15 | DWSR | NDA? |
| 22:28.36 | nicoli_s | ayuh |
| 22:29.36 | Shadowed | We won't tell anyone nicoli_s, it's just you and your closet friends |
| 22:29.42 | Shadowed | all 200 of them |
| 22:29.52 | nicoli_s | closet friends? all of you are in the closet? |
| 22:29.55 | Shadowed | yes |
| 22:30.03 | Gnarfoz | that's where the E comes in |
| 22:30.04 | nicoli_s | well then i guess its ok.... |
| 22:30.14 | nicoli_s | its hello kitty island adventure...zombies |
| 22:30.32 | Shadowed | hello zombie kitty adventures? |
| 22:30.35 | Shirik | DWSR |
| 22:30.37 | nicoli_s | sure why not |
| 22:30.38 | Shirik | are you a canadian? |
| 22:30.44 | DWSR | No, Shirik. I'm not. |
| 22:30.46 | DWSR | I just talk about Canada. |
| 22:30.47 | DWSR | A lot. |
| 22:30.50 | NightHawkTheSane | is that like pride & prejudice & zombies? |
| 22:30.55 | DWSR | And I also connect from a Canadian hostname. |
| 22:30.58 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:30.59 | Shirik | ok |
| 22:31.03 | DWSR | .. |
| 22:31.08 | Shirik | I'm trying to figure out who's connected to my server from canada :P |
| 22:31.16 | Shirik | I was reviewing the logs and saw this random activity |
| 22:31.17 | DWSR | Shirik: Yes I'm Canadian. |
| 22:31.18 | NightHawkTheSane | it's mee |
| 22:31.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm canadian! |
| 22:31.31 | DWSR | There was immense sarcasm, which obviously failed to transmit. :P |
| 22:31.33 | Shirik | ... |
| 22:31.50 | NightHawkTheSane | it probably got confiscated at the border |
| 22:31.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Stew_a (~Stewart@unafilliated/stewa/x-008753) |
| 22:31.55 | Gnarfoz | -> sarcmark.com! |
| 22:32.00 | NightHawkTheSane | them red blooded 'mericans don't like sarcasm. |
| 22:32.02 | nicoli_s | we need to demand people use the [sarcasm] tag in irc |
| 22:32.03 | DWSR | That should be the hostname, Shirik. |
| 22:32.10 | Shirik | yeah I see now :P |
| 22:32.23 | DWSR | GeoIP fail Shirik :P |
| 22:32.36 | Shirik | wasn't trying to invade on privacy I just saw this IP I don't recognize |
| 22:32.50 | Shirik | along with cns4.bluewin.ch |
| 22:32.59 | Shirik | but that's probably just yet another SSH attack that will die |
| 22:33.22 | Shirik | oh no, it was an attempt to spam mail |
| 22:33.36 | DWSR | Shirik: No, no worries. |
| 22:33.52 | Shirik | Feb 8 17:19:03 heresiarchguild named[24533]: client 109.74.194.10#52727: zone transfer 'shiibot.com/AXFR/IN' denied |
| 22:33.53 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 22:34.07 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: wtfhax ^ |
| 22:34.14 | DWSR | O.o? |
| 22:34.23 | DWSR | heresiarchguild? |
| 22:34.26 | DWSR | Heresi Arch guild? |
| 22:34.35 | Shirik | ~dict heresiarch |
| 22:34.47 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 22:34.55 | DWSR | Yeah, makes sense, from what little I know of lati9n |
| 22:34.57 | DWSR | latin*\ |
| 22:35.06 | DWSR | Just thought that arch would be a prefix not a suffix |
| 22:35.12 | Shirik | I think that was someone trying to pollute my DNS |
| 22:35.17 | Shirik | never seen that before o.o; |
| 22:35.28 | DWSR | Shirik: You probably won't see it again either. :P |
| 22:38.08 | Shirik | it was from another linode actually o.o |
| 22:38.16 | Shirik | the abuse address is actually abuse@linode.com even |
| 22:42.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Esamynn|Away (~nnnnchatz@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Esamynn) |
| 22:42.24 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Esamynn|Away] by ChanServ |
| 22:56.00 | Fisker | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/23042315659-the-reason-i-have-not-tanked-5-since-lfd-tool.html <-haha |
| 22:56.17 | Fisker | i would never ever sign my pala as dps unless i already have a tank that i know he knows wtf he's doing |
| 22:56.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Legorol (~legorol@cpc8-sgyl28-2-0-cust43.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 22:56.32 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ |
| 22:56.53 | Thunder_Child | Fisker Fisker Fisker |
| 22:56.57 | Thunder_Child | you will learn |
| 22:57.04 | Fisker | no Thunder_Child |
| 22:57.49 | zenzelezz | "half way descent tank"... I wouldn't want my tanks descending |
| 22:58.40 | *** join/#wowuidev ArrowmasterClass (~arrow@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ResponsibleForEverythingAndNothing/Arrowmaster) |
| 23:00.24 | cog|work | grats Seerah |
| 23:00.33 | Seerah | first run in here :) |
| 23:00.39 | cog|work | sweet =) |
| 23:00.52 | cog|work | and /jealous |
| 23:00.53 | cog|work | :P |
| 23:01.25 | Shirik | grats Seerah |
| 23:01.27 | Shirik | notsure on what |
| 23:01.28 | Shirik | but grats |
| 23:01.32 | cog|work | battered hilt |
| 23:01.35 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:01.37 | Shirik | about time |
| 23:01.54 | cog|work | lulz? |
| 23:06.22 | Lunessa | http://www.merriam-webster.com/video/0003-ibeforee.htm awesome |
| 23:11.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: what? |
| 23:11.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: what about it? |
| 23:11.20 | Shirik | wtf it means |
| 23:11.27 | Shirik | is that someone trying to send data to my DNS server? |
| 23:11.41 | ScytheBlade1 | other way around |
| 23:11.56 | ScytheBlade1 | 109.71.194.10 requested a copy of the zone |
| 23:12.12 | ArrowmasterClass | an AXFR request? |
| 23:12.12 | Shirik | there were two requests |
| 23:12.20 | ScytheBlade1 | 10.194.74.109.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR ns5.linode.com. |
| 23:12.24 | ScytheBlade1 | So |
| 23:12.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Might want to approve that one |
| 23:12.41 | Shirik | Feb 8 17:19:03 heresiarchguild named[24533]: client 109.74.194.10#36290: zone transfer 'shiibot.com/IXFR/IN' denied |
| 23:12.41 | Shirik | Feb 8 17:19:03 heresiarchguild named[24533]: client 109.74.194.10#52727: zone transfer 'shiibot.com/AXFR/IN' denied |
| 23:12.48 | ScytheBlade1 | same IP |
| 23:12.51 | ArrowmasterClass | you running your own dns server instead of just using linodes? |
| 23:12.51 | Shirik | yeah |
| 23:12.52 | ScytheBlade1 | from ns5.linode.com |
| 23:13.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ArrowmasterClass: I do, for several reasons |
| 23:13.07 | Shirik | oh... |
| 23:13.11 | Shirik | why is that not permitted... |
| 23:13.18 | ScytheBlade1 | ArrowmasterClass: not the least of which being support for any record type, and native IPv6 |
| 23:13.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ns5 is new, it is based in london, it is likely not defined yet |
| 23:13.34 | Shirik | ah |
| 23:13.40 | ArrowmasterClass | oh you cant create any record type you want with linodes? |
| 23:13.42 | Shirik | yeah I stopped at 4 |
| 23:13.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ArrowmasterClass: no, not SSHFP, which I use |
| 23:14.52 | ArrowmasterClass | i need to move my domains to a different dns server, i cant setup xmpp correctly with the one im leeching off of |
| 23:15.12 | ScytheBlade1 | You should be able to with the linode manager |
| 23:15.16 | ScytheBlade1 | They support SRV records |
| 23:15.23 | ArrowmasterClass | im not using linode |
| 23:15.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 23:15.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: in any case, the lesson here is that reverse DNS lookups are your friend |
| 23:15.57 | Shirik | yeah I'm noob :( |
| 23:16.09 | ScytheBlade1 | My head hurts too much to take advantage of that comment |
| 23:16.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Count yourself lucky |
| 23:16.18 | ArrowmasterClass | my domains are sitting on a shared host using cpanel, the MX records are pointing to google though and theres nothing being hosted on the websites |
| 23:17.11 | Shirik | inc DNS spam... |
| 23:17.17 | DWSR | PASTEBIN! |
| 23:17.32 | DWSR | ~pastebin |
| 23:17.33 | purl | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 23:17.42 | DWSR | ~pastey |
| 23:17.42 | purl | from memory, pastey is the place we like to have errors, diffs, and any large chunks of text sent. Look at the topic of the channel you're in to see if they have a specific pastey.net they like to use, otherwise, you can use whatever you want -- yournick.pastey.net, flood.pastey.net, or just pastey.net. Go to one of these URLs, insert the text, press the 'Paste' button, and copy & paste the resulting URL in the channel you were about |
| 23:18.25 | ScytheBlade1 | speaking of pastey, who would I pester to add powershell syntax highlight support to pastey? |
| 23:18.34 | Shirik | vim developers |
| 23:18.43 | ScytheBlade1 | er. really? |
| 23:18.47 | ArrowmasterClass | that cant be right |
| 23:18.49 | Shirik | it just uses vim :) |
| 23:19.08 | ArrowmasterClass | then it needs updated to a new version or something |
| 23:19.14 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed |
| 23:19.40 | ArrowmasterClass | more likely it has a whitelist or something |
| 23:20.09 | Shirik | then yell at norgs :P |
| 23:20.32 | ScytheBlade1 | norgs: pst, wtb powershell support on pastey |
| 23:20.59 | Shirik | I love restarting bind |
| 23:21.04 | Shirik | It spams the hell out of my log: http://wowi.pastey.net/132668 |
| 23:21.57 | Shirik | I have too many backup DNS servers imo |
| 23:22.23 | ScytheBlade1 | this is why I have two |
| 23:25.04 | ScytheBlade1 | torrents are awesome |
| 23:25.22 | ScytheBlade1 | A friend is sending me star wars 1-6 in 1080 over a torrent, without a tracker involved at all |
| 23:26.11 | DWSR | Yeah, PEX is nice. |
| 23:26.23 | Lunessa | And how many gigs is that? |
| 23:26.25 | Shirik | voyager? |
| 23:26.27 | ScytheBlade1 | 47.7. |
| 23:26.32 | DWSR | Shirik: Star Wars, not Star Trek |
| 23:26.36 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:26.39 | Shirik | misread |
| 23:26.40 | Lunessa | Wow, that's a lot smaller than I expected. |
| 23:26.42 | Shirik | star wars = meh |
| 23:26.44 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 23:26.45 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 23:26.56 | ScytheBlade1 | They could be higher quality, but they are still pretty darn good |
| 23:26.57 | Shirik | Lunessa: Meh, 9GB x 6 |
| 23:27.26 | ScytheBlade1 | 7.9GB x 6 actually |
| 23:27.27 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 23:27.29 | Lunessa | in 1080 so I expected larger file size is all. |
| 23:27.59 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: 9GB was just an upper limit I would expect |
| 23:28.05 | Lunessa | Video compression just keeps getting better. /shrug/ |
| 23:28.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: nah, higher quality ones are upwards of 15GB |
| 23:28.18 | ScytheBlade1 | On-disc they are usually 30 |
| 23:28.28 | Shirik | 1080i? |
| 23:28.30 | ScytheBlade1 | p |
| 23:28.32 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:28.38 | Shirik | well ok |
| 23:29.36 | ScytheBlade1 | the other awesome thing about this torrent, is where I can drop it on two boxes on the same LAN, and the bits stay more or less in sync |
| 23:29.43 | ScytheBlade1 | so I can reboot one while the other keeps going |
| 23:30.10 | Thunder_Child | why do you reboot so much? |
| 23:31.45 | cbreak | windows security patches? |
| 23:33.09 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: I'm trying to push torrent as a distribution mechanism here at work |
| 23:33.11 | ScytheBlade1 | to do things like play games |
| 23:33.14 | A-KO | I'm going to re-push the idea soon enough |
| 23:33.28 | ArrowmasterClass | 1080i is so pointless, it the same size as 720p but fucking interlaced |
| 23:33.29 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: if you can get it setup right, it is invaluable |
| 23:33.32 | A-KO | yeah |
| 23:33.32 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: VM |
| 23:33.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: full GPU hardware accel enabled VM? |
| 23:33.52 | ArrowmasterClass | ScytheBlade1: xen |
| 23:33.59 | ArrowmasterClass | bitch to setup though |
| 23:34.05 | ScytheBlade1 | which is why I just reboot |
| 23:34.11 | cbreak | Arrowmaster: 1080i has only 540 scan lines per field |
| 23:34.35 | ArrowmasterClass | cbreak: but its wider so it takes the same amount of bandwidth as 720p |
| 23:34.37 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: we have a ton of franchises and we manage their IT. Realistically taxing our network can be a bit of a strain as data objects get larger and larger (hundreds of megs, gigs)--so I'm trying to push torrent. Simply set up a seed box in our DMZ, and an RSS feed. Publish the torrent in the RSS, and every client auto downloads it. |
| 23:34.43 | Thunder_Child | cant parallels do it? |
| 23:34.59 | cbreak | Arrowmaster: is the width of 1080i defined? |
| 23:35.05 | cbreak | I thought it can be anything |
| 23:35.16 | foxlit | via aspect ratio |
| 23:35.23 | ArrowmasterClass | its normally 1980 |
| 23:35.28 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: add in the right client, with local peer detection (ie same subnet) -- redirect router.bittorrent.com and you have a winner |
| 23:35.28 | ArrowmasterClass | japan uses 1440 though |
| 23:35.37 | ArrowmasterClass | 1920 i mean |
| 23:35.53 | foxlit | [1920/1080 = 16/9] |
| 23:36.20 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: the hardest part is pushing the idea of "torrent", which has an unfortunately bad reputation. |
| 23:36.22 | ArrowmasterClass | 1440/1080 is animorpthic so its displayed as 1920/1080 |
| 23:36.28 | A-KO | because as a protocol distribution system I think it's awesome |
| 23:36.48 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: "high-efficency content distribution protocol" |
| 23:36.59 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: "also, Blizzard uses it for everything" |
| 23:37.11 | A-KO | completely counter to the standard client -> server model,whereas adding more clients decreases bandwidth, adding torrent clients increases the bandwidth pool |
| 23:37.30 | A-KO | definitely going to pitch the idea again the next time the big content pushes come up |
| 23:37.33 | cbreak | Torrents are a poor man's broadcast |
| 23:37.38 | A-KO | ugh |
| 23:37.43 | A-KO | don't get me started on broadcast traffic. |
| 23:37.49 | cbreak | if you have clients in the same network, just using real broadcast would be faster I bet |
| 23:37.52 | frontendloader | what are the names of the lucky charm textures? |
| 23:37.57 | cbreak | at least if they want it at the same time |
| 23:38.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Setting up proper multicast for file transfer sucks |
| 23:38.01 | A-KO | in the same network, maybe--but not when our clients are spread across the internet :P |
| 23:38.04 | ScytheBlade1 | broadcast is just a Bad Idea |
| 23:38.04 | A-KO | yeah it does |
| 23:38.14 | cbreak | broadcast ROCKS! |
| 23:38.15 | A-KO | I use multicast for ghost image distribution |
| 23:38.17 | cbreak | for things like radio |
| 23:38.24 | cbreak | or DHCP |
| 23:38.25 | A-KO | cbreak: my company's developers seem to think so. |
| 23:38.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd argue that a proper heirarchy of servers to pull the data down can solve a lot of bandwidth constraints |
| 23:38.40 | A-KO | their application sends out a 1.2K broadcast packet every second so their client software can find the server no matter where it is |
| 23:38.42 | A-KO | 24/7/365 |
| 23:38.52 | cbreak | or Bonjour or how ever it is called now |
| 23:38.56 | ScytheBlade1 | But a torrent client with LAN peer detection is going to eat everything else alive |
| 23:39.06 | cbreak | is it illegal in your country to kill that guy A-KO? |
| 23:39.13 | A-KO | cbreak: Unfortunately |
| 23:39.24 | A-KO | cbreak: I have a hard time containing myself in those meetings tbh |
| 23:39.30 | ScytheBlade1 | The next switch I buy is going to support multicast and jumbo frames |
| 23:39.31 | A-KO | and they just laugh and smile and go "HAR HAR YOUR NETWORK HARDWARE IS FAULTY" |
| 23:39.45 | ScytheBlade1 | well, rather, it'll have proper IGMP snooping |
| 23:39.56 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: I just did some jumbo framing at a LAN this weekend, pulled 100MB/sec across the LAN on a disk to disk transfer (Raid 5 to single drive) |
| 23:39.58 | ScytheBlade1 | looks up in a somewhat depressed manner at his 8-port home gigabit switch |
| 23:39.59 | A-KO | on 7K MTU |
| 23:39.59 | cbreak | is not a network person |
| 23:40.16 | A-KO | my realtek onboard NIC supports max 7K MTU, not the 9K standard :( |
| 23:40.31 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: nice. my switch doesn't support anything above the 1.5k marker =[ |
| 23:40.31 | cbreak | there was a very interesting talk at 26c3 |
| 23:40.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Not that it matters, as my router NIC doesn't either |
| 23:40.45 | cbreak | it involved hacking into a company with zero day exploits |
| 23:40.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: How do I hide a buff from being shown in sexycooldown without, you know, clicking off the buff? |
| 23:40.54 | cbreak | one of them was in a jumbo frame section of a linux network driver |
| 23:41.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (~Creek@67-197-1-37.rh1.dyn.cm.comporium.net) |
| 23:41.39 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: we've got a huge load test tomorrow with this software that broadcasts..amazingly enough, the broadcasting has trouble on a sonicwall, but no problems on your run of the mill linksys |
| 23:41.46 | A-KO | so now they're looking at replacing all the hardware |
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| 23:41.56 | A-KO | from SMB-class devices to linksys WRT54G's |
| 23:41.59 | A-KO | because of this broadcast packet |
| 23:42.04 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 23:42.07 | A-KO | I shit you not |
| 23:42.09 | cbreak | maybe you can get the old, obsolete hardware |
| 23:42.12 | ScytheBlade1 | irl lol |
| 23:42.13 | A-KO | is filling up his resume, FYI. |
| 23:42.14 | Antiarc | NightHawkTheSane: mod-click it |
| 23:42.17 | Antiarc | ctrl/alt/shift |
| 23:42.19 | cbreak | and dispose of it for them |
| 23:42.25 | A-KO | lol cbreak |
| 23:42.30 | A-KO | actually the sonicwall gear is shit |
| 23:42.33 | A-KO | don't EVER buy sonicwall |
| 23:42.33 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf is in said 1.2k packet? |
| 23:42.34 | A-KO | trust me |
| 23:42.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: ahHAH, thanks :) |
| 23:42.52 | cbreak | Linksys WRT54G is shit too |
| 23:43.00 | A-KO | it is |
| 23:43.01 | A-KO | cbreak |
| 23:43.07 | cbreak | I have one of those |
| 23:43.09 | A-KO | I'm expecting it to break on the 40 wifi clients we'll put on it |
| 23:43.12 | A-KO | for sure |
| 23:43.18 | cbreak | and people can disconnect me from IRC by sending a message to me |
| 23:43.29 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 23:43.35 | cbreak | air is a shared medium |
| 23:43.35 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: it's an XML file that tells the client the IP and the port of the server machine. It has some other random data, too--like location ID, some GUID that it doesn't actually use, and other random data. |
| 23:43.36 | nicoli_s | i think thats the router i have too |
| 23:43.40 | A-KO | Versioning info of the software |
| 23:43.42 | cbreak | 40 clients is painful :/ |
| 23:43.43 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: w.t.f. |
| 23:43.50 | A-KO | yes ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:43.52 | A-KO | I asked that in the meetings |
| 23:44.11 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: Essentially, the meetingsn ever had any actual IT in it, only management. |
| 23:44.17 | A-KO | so the dev management was like "oh yeah here's how it works!" |
| 23:44.24 | A-KO | and the managers were like "OH LOOK IT WORKS!" |
| 23:44.26 | A-KO | and that was that |
| 23:44.30 | A-KO | now it's causing network problems |
| 23:44.48 | cbreak | can you tell them "Hey idiots, this is stupid, rewrite it!" |
| 23:44.50 | ScytheBlade1 | is glad to have a technically capable manager, and his manager, and his manager |
| 23:44.54 | ArrowmasterClass | cbreak: the dcc thing disconnects you on a wrt54g? |
| 23:44.57 | ScytheBlade1 | At that point it hits actual management though |
| 23:44.59 | foxlit | http://maximizechrome.com/ << cute |
| 23:45.00 | A-KO | yes Arrowmaster, older firmwares |
| 23:45.07 | cbreak | Arrowmaster: specially crafted packet |
| 23:45.13 | A-KO | runs a juniper netscreen at his house |
| 23:45.14 | cbreak | newest firmware |
| 23:45.20 | cbreak | (from 2008 :( ) |
| 23:45.21 | A-KO | I'm hoping to get the SSG5, or whatever one replaces it with N support |
| 23:45.25 | ArrowmasterClass | is it a 4mb or 2mb flash version? |
| 23:45.35 | cbreak | I thought about getting OpenWRT |
| 23:45.44 | ArrowmasterClass | i run tomato |
| 23:45.44 | cbreak | but my sister said that she'll hit me if she can't use wireless |
| 23:45.51 | cbreak | so I can't switch |
| 23:45.54 | DWSR | cbreak: So just wear some padding |
| 23:45.59 | DWSR | cbreak: And say FUCK YOU BITCH |
| 23:46.01 | ArrowmasterClass | my wireless works fine |
| 23:46.01 | DWSR | And switch |
| 23:46.06 | cbreak | oh, that would not work |
| 23:46.16 | cbreak | she has pointy tools :( |
| 23:46.18 | ArrowmasterClass | i should probably pay attention in class |
| 23:46.22 | ArrowmasterClass | talking about IPSec |
| 23:46.24 | DWSR | Beat her first, then. |
| 23:46.33 | DWSR | ArrowmasterClass: Here's what you need to know. You don't. Next topic. |
| 23:46.40 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: mind a DCC? (.png file) |
| 23:46.50 | cbreak | I had Network class in 2003 or 2004. |
| 23:46.51 | DWSR | cbreak: If you use a sledgehammer, pretty sure she's not going to be using said pointy tools.\ |
| 23:47.02 | cbreak | about IPv6 and how it has to be deployed soon or we'll run out of IPs |
| 23:47.08 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: sure |
| 23:47.29 | cbreak | I am not convinced networking class has a connection with real life |
| 23:47.34 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: network stats on the application and between our servers |
| 23:47.41 | A-KO | all of that is local traffic (to each franchise location) |
| 23:47.41 | A-KO | lol |
| 23:47.48 | ArrowmasterClass | now hes talking about NAT, think i should bring up PAT? |
| 23:47.52 | A-KO | haha Arrowmaster |
| 23:47.54 | A-KO | prob not |
| 23:47.57 | cbreak | PAT? |
| 23:47.57 | A-KO | most people have no idea what that means |
| 23:48.07 | A-KO | PAT is what MOST people think of when they think of NAT |
| 23:48.10 | ArrowmasterClass | PAT = what everybody is really using when they say NAT |
| 23:48.11 | A-KO | Cisco divides the two |
| 23:48.17 | A-KO | lol |
| 23:48.20 | A-KO | high fives Arrowmaster |
| 23:48.21 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 23:48.25 | cbreak | cisco marketing babble? :) |
| 23:48.26 | WobWork | Fisker: 6:45am when you asked |
| 23:48.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 23:48.31 | Thrae | Support PAT over NAT? It's SNAT a problem! |
| 23:48.34 | ArrowmasterClass | real NAT needs as many public addresses for private addresses |
| 23:48.48 | ArrowmasterClass | its 1 to 1 |
| 23:49.00 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: essentially, what people think of when they think "DMZ" |
| 23:49.01 | DWSR | cbreak: No. |
| 23:49.01 | A-KO | in their routers |
| 23:49.03 | A-KO | 1:1 NAT :P |
| 23:49.12 | cbreak | just declare ports to be part of the address together with the IP :) |
| 23:49.15 | A-KO | essentially that's more or less what it is |
| 23:49.16 | DWSR | Isn't "NAT" Symmetrical NAT? |
| 23:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: that's awesome |
| 23:49.24 | ArrowmasterClass | cbreak: adding ports is what makes it PAT |
| 23:49.38 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: 12 minutes 9 seconds it generates all of that traffic :P isn't it great? lol |
| 23:49.58 | cbreak | so IAT is IP Address Translation, PAT is Port Address Translation and NAT is Network Address Translation. |
| 23:50.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Reminds me of Wrath beta when I posted a patch before it was on the downloader, and someone linked it on the forums |
| 23:50.12 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation#Types_of_NAT |
| 23:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Then people in here started wondering why their transfer speed was sucking it up. |
| 23:50.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ... but not over broadcast. :) |
| 23:50.52 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: I had to come up with a solution for this application at one of our franchises on Saturday. They use a custom firewall software solution that does web content filtering, white listing, stuff like that--nobody else wanted to touc hit with a 10 foot pole. |
| 23:50.58 | DWSR | A-KO: Calling it PAT is actually a Cisco marketing term. |
| 23:51.02 | DWSR | It's just Full Cone NAT. |
| 23:51.12 | Thrae | A-KO: *snort* |
| 23:51.17 | A-KO | yes Thrae |
| 23:51.17 | A-KO | :P |
| 23:51.34 | A-KO | it's a pretty cocked up solution their tech guy couldn't understand how it works |
| 23:51.54 | Thrae | Haha, it's bad when your own IT department doesn't understand the software you buy |
| 23:52.10 | ScytheBlade1 | _if_ anything, the *clients* should send out a broadcast packet... when they need to |
| 23:52.12 | A-KO | Thrae: I have a few coworkers that understand it, but everyone else that was involved (now either quit or laid off), did not. |
| 23:52.16 | A-KO | I agree ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:52.23 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: or join everything to the same multicast group, etc etc. |
| 23:52.24 | A-KO | you know |
| 23:52.26 | A-KO | MILLLIONS OF WAYS TO DO IT |
| 23:52.28 | Thrae | A-KO: At least it's not in FoxPro |
| 23:52.31 | A-KO | and they choose one of the most inefficient ways |
| 23:52.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 23:52.38 | Thrae | I had to support a product made in FoxPro |
| 23:52.44 | A-KO | Thrae: funny you mention that, the old legacy software this is replacing is--so this software interfaces to the foxpro database files via SMB |
| 23:52.48 | Thrae | That was still in production, with updates in FoxPro |
| 23:53.00 | A-KO | but it pulls data from the foxpro db and stores it into SQL Express |
| 23:53.06 | Thrae | A-KO: Ouch |
| 23:53.07 | A-KO | which the nreplicates back to HQ, into a SQL server |
| 23:53.10 | DWSR | SQL express? |
| 23:53.20 | DWSR | Is that like OEx of the SQL world? |
| 23:53.25 | A-KO | more or less |
| 23:53.29 | DWSR | nice] |
| 23:53.30 | A-KO | but it's actually mostly fully functional |
| 23:53.34 | ScytheBlade1 | SQL Express can be very nice, as long as it is used properly |
| 23:53.36 | A-KO | max 4GB database size |
| 23:53.40 | Thrae | People need to know what's really stable and what really works even for a low cost, like ZFS |
| 23:53.54 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a fully functional SQL server, I think less replication, with a few artifical limits in place |
| 23:53.57 | Thrae | ZFS is <3 |
| 23:53.59 | ScytheBlade1 | But otherwise quite nice |
| 23:54.03 | Thrae | Hybrid Storage is <3 |
| 23:54.05 | A-KO | yeah, SQL Express isn't bad when used right |
| 23:54.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Speaking of filesystems... let's say I buy 6x2TB drives |
| 23:54.44 | ScytheBlade1 | What OS and filesystem should I run for it? |
| 23:54.55 | ScytheBlade1 | (idea being: big networked storage node) |
| 23:54.57 | Thrae | ScytheBlade1: SunOS, ZFS |
| 23:55.16 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 23:55.20 | cbreak | Get a mac and run HFS+ on them :) |
| 23:55.23 | DWSR | Well, I'd use a different OS, but to each their own |
| 23:55.23 | Thrae | ScytheBlade1: No need for hardware raid with ZFS due to the massive stability of RAID-Z. |
| 23:55.25 | DWSR | ZFS is win |
| 23:55.26 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: ew |
| 23:55.27 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: the hilarious thing is we're rolling out a few ten K computers over the next couple of years, management doesn't see the need in managing the systems or updating them or anything....because the "software auto updates", but the trick is, the software doesn't auto update external apps and libraries. So if they decide to do something with .net 4.0, we're in a shitstorm as we can't get 4.0 out there |
| 23:55.27 | ArrowmasterClass | ZFS |
| 23:55.48 | Thrae | ScytheBlade1: If this isn't in production, like for your home, try OpenSolaris. |
| 23:55.52 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, now how many of you who said ZFS have actually used ZFS? |
| 23:55.55 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: awesome |
| 23:55.58 | DWSR | raises his hand |
| 23:56.05 | Thrae | is irssi'ing off OpenSolaris right now |
| 23:56.12 | ArrowmasterClass | havent had a chance to to |
| 23:56.19 | cbreak | I've read about ZFS |
| 23:56.25 | ArrowmasterClass | my raid is in my home desktop and im not about to use opensolaris on my desktop |
| 23:56.27 | A-KO | I would use it more if I didn't have to use Solaris of some sort |
| 23:56.29 | cbreak | apparently, the BtrFS people say theirs is better than ZFS |
| 23:56.34 | DWSR | ArrowmasterClass: Who's the final boss of your raid? ;) |
| 23:56.35 | cbreak | (once it works) |
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| 23:56.52 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: HKEY_USERS\-18\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorerr\User Shell Folders\Favorites |
| 23:57.03 | Thrae | ZFS, Unix, and Solaris all take getting used to, but really it's very easy if you have any Unix-like knowledge. |
| 23:57.04 | Dagmar | Generally all statements like that should have appended to them "for sufficient values of my exact type of file usage" |
| 23:57.08 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: change that key to, say, "x:\" and all of your software installs will fail. |
| 23:57.17 | ArrowmasterClass | you can use ZFS natively on BSD |
| 23:57.26 | ArrowmasterClass | have to use Fuse to use ZFS on linux |
| 23:57.27 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: I use ZFS extensively at work. |
| 23:57.29 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: your software deployment has nothing on ours, as we have some random package that does just that -- changes that key to an invalid drive |
| 23:57.36 | Dagmar | Most notably, several very common filesystems performance goes straight to hell the moment you start deleting multi-gigabyte files |
| 23:57.36 | A-KO | haha ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:57.37 | A-KO | nice |
| 23:57.44 | Thrae | Want to add another 6x2TB drives to your RAID-Z? No problem! Just add it to the pool and you're done! It's just one big dataset! |
| 23:58.06 | DWSR | ArrowmasterClass: You can use it on any *nix machine supporting FUSE. |
| 23:58.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm really debating CentOS 6 when it comes out, with ext4 |
| 23:58.11 | Thrae | All while online, no need to resize anything |
| 23:58.24 | ArrowmasterClass | DWSR: exactly but then you are doing it in userspace instead of kernel space |
| 23:58.24 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: it's just funny because these devs sit in the management meetings, tell them all this shit, and management has no idea what they're saying or what they're talking about. Now we're being forced to use linksys routers because the sonicwalls fail and they don't want to buy the proper equipment like we told them originally :P |
| 23:58.26 | A-KO | so I"m just |
| 23:58.27 | DWSR | Thrae: Yeah. RAID-Z is pretty swish. |
| 23:58.31 | A-KO | I'll eventually get tired of it |
| 23:58.31 | cbreak | deleting a file shouldn't take much space |
| 23:58.34 | cbreak | time |
| 23:58.35 | DWSR | ArrowmasterClass: Only due to a license incompatibility. |
| 23:58.37 | A-KO | 'cause I refuse to really want to manage their fuckups |
| 23:58.46 | DWSR | ArrowmasterClass: That's still *natively*. |
| 23:58.49 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: the real problem here is the developers... |
| 23:58.51 | DWSR | There's no *emulation*. |
| 23:58.56 | DWSR | It's just that you can't have it in kernelspace. |
| 23:59.02 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: yeah, I know. But they won't get rid of them, company politics type stuff :P |
| 23:59.09 | Thrae | While it's true ZFS is supported outside of Solaris, the latest version of ZFS and the most stable is found on Solaris, including its x86_64 version. |
| 23:59.24 | Thrae | And if you're looking at RAID solutions...wouldn't you want *stability*? |
| 23:59.25 | DWSR | Thrae: http://zfs-fuse.net/ |
| 23:59.28 | DWSR | Jigga plz. |
| 23:59.36 | ScytheBlade1 | A-KO: but surely you can at least smack them upside the head without too much issue? "you could make this REALLY TRIVIAL CHANGE AND SAVE US TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON DOWNGRADING OUR HARDWARE" |
| 23:59.47 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: we use ZFS for all large storage where I work, including all virtual machine disk images for all our vmware+xen servers. probably 10TB of space now. |
| 23:59.50 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: to them it's not trivial |
