| 00:01.40 | Lopeppeppy | Cindy Lauper! |
| 00:02.15 | ckknight | Wobin: skiddily diddly do a beep a bo |
| 00:02.26 | Nechckn | She bop--he bop--a--we bop |
| 00:02.26 | Nechckn | I bop--you bop--a--they bop |
| 00:02.27 | Nechckn | Be bop--be bop--a--lu--she bop |
| 00:02.35 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly! |
| 00:02.43 | Nechckn | I always think of that when I see it, too ;-) |
| 00:03.06 | Nechckn | ckknight Is like the skat man. |
| 00:03.31 | Wobin | From Hanson to the Scatman to Cyndi =P |
| 00:03.40 | ckknight | Everybody stutters one way or the other |
| 00:03.50 | ckknight | so check out my message to you. |
| 00:04.08 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oU0I8APK-o |
| 00:04.19 | Wobin | btw, for some -good- jam |
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| 00:05.15 | Cairenn | that's why he had actually changed it to that earlier |
| 00:06.04 | Cairenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFq4E9XTueY |
| 00:06.27 | Wobin | This video contains content from Vevo, who has decided to block it in your country. |
| 00:06.32 | Wobin | the bastards =( |
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| 00:07.06 | bleeter | Wobin: which is secret code for 'Fuck Free Trade' ;) |
| 00:07.18 | Wobin | =( |
| 00:07.30 | Wobin | I'd prefer Trade Free Fuck |
| 00:07.39 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 00:08.16 | bleeter | i'd prefer my head not imploding |
| 00:08.41 | Wobin | if your head implodes while fucking... well you're either doing it wrong, or doing it really really right |
| 00:09.08 | Cairenn | Wobin: try this one? http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/cyndi-lauper/she-bop--2143807 |
| 00:09.34 | Wobin | hurrah for alternate sources! |
| 00:09.47 | Lopeppeppy | But, I enjoy trading things... er... nevermind. |
| 00:09.50 | Lopeppeppy | PG13. |
| 00:10.04 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: since when has this channel ever been PG13? |
| 00:10.40 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes it's better to stop myself at that level, Cairenn, before I take us all Redtube. |
| 00:11.19 | Wobin | the whole cyndi/biker leering is |
| 00:11.22 | Wobin | kinda... creepy |
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| 00:12.13 | Cloudwolf | is pastey down? |
| 00:13.01 | Nechckn | it is, yes. |
| 00:13.09 | Cloudwolf | grr recomend another upload site? |
| 00:13.28 | Nechckn | How about http://paste.wowace.com |
| 00:13.49 | Cloudwolf | ty |
| 00:14.09 | Nechckn | We have our best sheep working to get *.pastey.net back online, but no eta... |
| 00:14.19 | Cloudwolf | poor sheep |
| 00:14.33 | cbreak | there's pastebin and a couple of others too |
| 00:14.38 | cbreak | I have my own :) |
| 00:14.46 | Cloudwolf | O.o hmm dont want to sign up on wow ace to paste.... mgiht need tho... |
| 00:14.57 | cbreak | over in #lua, they recommend codepad.org/?lang=Lua |
| 00:15.17 | Cloudwolf | would some oen trouble shoot this please? |
| 00:15.18 | Cloudwolf | http://pastebin.com/m53cf6ae7 |
| 00:15.41 | cbreak | (codepad even executes your code :) |
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| 00:15.46 | Wobin | ahaha |
| 00:15.53 | Wobin | Take My Breath Away - Berlin |
| 00:16.18 | Wobin | back when Tom Cruise wasn't flat out kooky |
| 00:16.29 | cbreak | gah |
| 00:16.36 | cbreak | your code layout is terrible Cloudwolf |
| 00:16.44 | cbreak | can you read id like that? :/ |
| 00:16.45 | Cloudwolf | Ive heard that before... |
| 00:17.00 | Wobin | ok, to narrow it down.. |
| 00:17.02 | Wobin | what's the error? |
| 00:17.16 | Cloudwolf | No error. The while loop just fails to execute |
| 00:18.07 | cbreak | maybe because bname is nil? |
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| 00:18.19 | Wobin | you don't set bname initially |
| 00:18.27 | cbreak | he never sets it |
| 00:18.33 | Wobin | also, you define bname as local -inside- the loop |
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| 00:18.41 | cbreak | the while loop accesses the global bname |
| 00:18.45 | cbreak | he never writes to that one |
| 00:18.49 | Wobin | yeah |
| 00:18.57 | Cloudwolf | hmm |
| 00:19.15 | cbreak | if you'd indent your code better, you could have noticed that too :) |
| 00:19.32 | Wobin | oh man, those are totally 8 space tabs >< |
| 00:19.37 | Cloudwolf | i oringialy set bname some time earlier and i caused it to break. |
| 00:19.58 | Cloudwolf | is there a way to only have 1 variable in a list to not be local? |
| 00:20.05 | foxlit | no |
| 00:20.31 | cbreak | you can make them local before... |
| 00:20.35 | cbreak | and... don't use globals! |
| 00:20.39 | cbreak | unless you can't help it |
| 00:20.44 | cbreak | but in that case, you can. |
| 00:21.20 | Cloudwolf | i never try to use globals. unless its for saving information from load to load. |
| 00:21.24 | Wobin | pft, you can use addon scoped 'globals' |
| 00:21.25 | Iriel | I do cbreak's suggestion from time to time |
| 00:21.29 | Iriel | local a, b, c, e; |
| 00:21.35 | Iriel | a, b, c, d, e = someFunction() |
| 00:21.38 | Iriel | d is the global |
| 00:21.41 | Iriel | the rest are local |
| 00:22.00 | Wobin | Iriel, yeah, but when put like that, it's non-obvious =) |
| 00:22.16 | cbreak | in code, I sometimes declare locals at the start of the code file, so I can use them in methods as upvalue before I define them |
| 00:22.28 | Iriel | cbreak: Before you 'redefine' them |
| 00:22.34 | foxlit | boo, static. |
| 00:22.37 | Wobin | oh man, 80's dancing |
| 00:22.49 | cbreak | THIS ... IS ... LUA! |
| 00:23.04 | cbreak | (and I am just yelling Lua, please spare me bots) |
| 00:23.24 | Wobin | can dream about you! If I can't hold you tonight! |
| 00:23.36 | Wobin | can dream about you! You know how to hold me just right! |
| 00:24.39 | foxlit | So I'm mildly contemplating buying ME2 |
| 00:24.47 | Iriel | Did you play ME1? |
| 00:24.50 | foxlit | No. |
| 00:25.01 | Cloudwolf | well atleast now it throws an error i jsut gota find otu which indexed field is nil. |
| 00:25.15 | foxlit | What irks me is EA's helpful DRM FAQ |
| 00:25.31 | foxlit | Which goes something along the lines of "You may only install the digital version 5 times." |
| 00:25.31 | Iriel | foxlit: Hm, if you'd said yes then I'd have said ME2 was a no-brainer to get. |
| 00:25.52 | cbreak | do they sell an analog version? |
| 00:25.57 | Wobin | Now you've ruined Iriel's chain of thought =( |
| 00:25.58 | Wobin | meanie |
| 00:26.10 | Iriel | cbreak: digital == non-physical-media |
| 00:26.12 | foxlit | Not that I expect to install it more than once, but it still rubs me the wrong way |
| 00:26.13 | Iriel | i.e. download, not DVD |
| 00:27.47 | cbreak | if they use proper DRM |
| 00:28.01 | cbreak | it will count it as reinstall if you upgrade your RAM, your HardDisk |
| 00:28.09 | cbreak | or maybe your network card |
| 00:28.11 | cbreak | graphic card |
| 00:28.13 | cbreak | what ever |
| 00:28.19 | Iriel | Yay, like XP |
| 00:28.24 | Iriel | that's always been so fun |
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| 00:28.46 | cbreak | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2010/01/mass-effect-2-review.ars |
| 00:30.47 | Iriel | I've really enjoyed ME2 so far, but I also finished ME1, so i've got some 'momentum' |
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| 00:35.28 | Cloudwolf | this is bugging me keep getting index a field a nil value error D: and it only breaks on occasion. it worked fine for like 3 times then broke and somet imes it breaks immdiatley... |
| 00:38.10 | cbreak | check what you try to index |
| 00:38.16 | cbreak | then think how it could be nil |
| 00:38.30 | cbreak | try to imagine a full code path coverage model |
| 00:38.45 | Cloudwolf | ... full ocde path coverage model?... |
| 00:38.45 | cbreak | when I do that, I usually use backtracking |
| 00:39.00 | cbreak | find out where the bug triggers |
| 00:39.11 | cbreak | then go back along the code paths |
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| 00:39.27 | cbreak | until you find out where the variable gets assigned nil |
| 00:39.34 | cbreak | or until you find out that it's not assigned anything else |
| 00:39.48 | cbreak | there's probably a path through your code that makes it nil |
| 00:39.51 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.merriam-webster.com/video/0003-ibeforee.htm |
| 00:39.57 | NightHawkTheSane | because english isn't confusing enough ^ |
| 00:40.12 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane, where'd you pick that up from? |
| 00:40.21 | Wobin | I just got that linked in a completely unrelated channel =P |
| 00:40.25 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, not surprising |
| 00:40.33 | NightHawkTheSane | PA posted it in a news post ;) |
| 00:40.38 | Wobin | aha =P |
| 00:40.54 | NightHawkTheSane | you should watch it, though, if you haven't : |
| 00:40.55 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 00:41.49 | Lopeppeppy | afk for virtuousness! |
| 00:41.55 | Wobin | She totally ruins the scansion =( |
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| 00:50.09 | ScytheBlade1 | yay |
| 00:50.11 | ScytheBlade1 | new furnace |
| 00:50.24 | NightHawkTheSane | did your old one finally blw up? |
| 00:50.25 | NightHawkTheSane | blow* |
| 00:51.09 | ScytheBlade1 | No, my dad figured out that the waiver they made me sign meant it was actually a hazard |
| 00:51.30 | ScytheBlade1 | "this furnace is broken and might blow up, we turned it off, if you turn it on and it blows up we are not to be held responsible" |
| 00:51.37 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/021568.html |
| 00:52.09 | NightHawkTheSane | hah. well, thats good. at least you're not going to die :) |
| 00:52.21 | ScytheBlade1 | The previous one was so clogged up it would run for 5 minutes |
| 00:52.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Overheat, turn the flames off, and run the blower for 10 to cool it down |
| 00:52.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Then turn back on a minute later because the house was too cold |
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| 00:52.54 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1, huzzah! |
| 00:53.03 | ScytheBlade1 | This one has been running for 5 hours straight without issue, and the house is actually warm now |
| 00:53.11 | Wobin | no more roast ScytheBlade1 in potentia |
| 00:53.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It is... creepy |
| 00:53.55 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/021570.html |
| 00:53.56 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane, that quote is ... awesome |
| 00:53.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i know, working appliances is CRAAAAAAAAZY |
| 00:54.01 | Wobin | it's a nice change from stupidity =P |
| 00:54.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: yeah, i thought so too :) |
| 00:54.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Like, my feet aren't cold. |
| 00:54.30 | ScytheBlade1 | This is STRANGE. |
| 00:55.01 | ScytheBlade1 | also awesome: http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/021565.html |
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| 00:57.32 | Ancu | ni hao |
| 00:59.57 | Wobin | ni hao ma? |
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| 01:05.05 | Arrowmaster | holy shit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AySaYRvQbh0 |
| 01:07.00 | Wobin | holy crap |
| 01:09.28 | Legorol | wow |
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| 01:10.25 | shifuimam | is there a way in lua to check for a nil value? |
| 01:10.40 | Arrowmaster | == nil |
| 01:10.43 | Iriel | == nil |
| 01:10.43 | shifuimam | i tried "~= nil" and "is nil" with no luck |
| 01:10.44 | shifuimam | ok |
| 01:10.49 | shifuimam | so shouldn't ~= nil work? |
| 01:11.07 | Iriel | ~= nil works fine |
| 01:11.08 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 01:11.18 | Iriel | note that A[x] ~= nil helps you NOT AT ALL if A is nil |
| 01:11.36 | shifuimam | oh |
| 01:11.39 | Arrowmaster | or x is nil |
| 01:11.57 | Iriel | right, yes |
| 01:12.26 | shifuimam | so if the result of a function is nil i must use somethin glike if (function(args) == nil) then....elseif...end |
| 01:14.01 | Iriel | Well, it depends what you're trying to do with it |
| 01:14.47 | cbreak | nil evaluates to false in a boolean expression |
| 01:14.52 | cbreak | it is one of two values that does |
| 01:15.21 | shifuimam | the code works if i use that, instead of "~- nil" |
| 01:15.25 | shifuimam | err, ~= |
| 01:15.26 | cbreak | if you don't care about the possibility that the other can occur, you can do if (func(arg) then |
| 01:15.48 | cbreak | (of course with propperly balanced brackets) |
| 01:16.10 | cbreak | both == nil and ~= nil work |
| 01:16.17 | shifuimam | i'm developing for RoM, not WoW - but is there a basic Lua call that can be used to check if a function has been triggered? |
| 01:16.19 | cbreak | but of course, they have opposite meanings |
| 01:16.23 | shifuimam | e.g. Function:triggered or something |
| 01:16.31 | cbreak | triggered? |
| 01:16.35 | cbreak | functions aren't triggered |
| 01:16.40 | shifuimam | called |
| 01:16.50 | shifuimam | e.g. if a buff is cancelled, it's done via CancelPlayerBuff(buffid) |
| 01:16.58 | cbreak | if you call them, they are called. You can make them track state if you write them yourself |
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| 01:17.03 | shifuimam | i want to monitor when CancelPlayerBuff(specificbuffid) is called |
| 01:17.13 | cbreak | consider hooking it |
| 01:17.14 | shifuimam | it's a native function, not one from one of my own addons or something |
| 01:17.24 | cbreak | but that will cause taint issues in WoW |
| 01:17.39 | shifuimam | or RoM :P |
| 01:18.05 | shifuimam | i may just say that going to this extent on this addon isn't worth the effort, then |
| 01:18.29 | Arrowmaster | so RoM has taint and protected functions like WoW? |
| 01:18.31 | shifuimam | an event is triggered when a buff is removed, but it doesn't provide any information on WHICH buff was removed, so that's useless to me |
| 01:18.43 | shifuimam | Arrowmaster: i don't know. i've only just delved into add-on development recently |
| 01:18.54 | Cloudwolf | http://oddlyspecific.com/2010/02/funny-signs-really/ |
| 01:19.00 | shifuimam | it's very slow going, because the documentation is crap. there's just not the big community around RoM dev lke you have with WoW |
| 01:19.05 | Arrowmaster | try hooking it and see if anything breaks |
| 01:19.36 | shifuimam | is there a native lua function that does that? i see from another addon that someone used a function library to do it |
| 01:20.23 | Arrowmaster | actually there is but i doubt youve got the standard debug library available in the RoM client |
| 01:20.38 | Arrowmaster | hook is just replacing the function with your own |
| 01:20.54 | shifuimam | it's unlikely, yeah. looking at this library's hook function that seems beyond what i want. i don't want to replace a native function with my own; i just want to monitor when a native function is run |
| 01:21.25 | Arrowmaster | which isnt possible without hooking |
| 01:21.28 | durcyn | so you don't want to hook, but you want to hook |
| 01:21.29 | shifuimam | oh. |
| 01:21.32 | durcyn | i like this guy |
| 01:21.42 | shifuimam | girl. |
| 01:21.51 | durcyn | ain't no such thing on the internetr |
| 01:21.53 | durcyn | -r |
| 01:21.55 | Thunder_Child | ~irc |
| 01:21.56 | purl | Welcome to IRC, where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents. |
| 01:21.57 | shifuimam | so i've been told. |
| 01:22.42 | shifuimam | oh i see, this library lets you hook a function and then call the original/native function after the hook |
| 01:23.26 | cbreak | > oldprint = print print = function (...) oldprint("Hey, I was called") oldprint(...) end print("test1") print("test2") |
| 01:23.37 | cbreak | lua> oldprint = print print = function (...) oldprint("Hey, I was called") oldprint(...) end print("test1") print("test2") |
| 01:23.41 | cbreak | hmm. |
| 01:23.41 | lua_bot | cbreak: Hey, I was called, test1, Hey, I was called, test2 |
| 01:23.42 | Arrowmaster | RoM uses Lua 5.0 doesnt it? |
| 01:23.55 | cbreak | hooking :) |
| 01:24.00 | shifuimam | i honestly don't know. the only stuff i know about it is on curse's game wiki |
| 01:24.47 | shifuimam | it seems like using this library is probably going to be the fastest/easiest way to do what i want |
| 01:25.07 | cbreak | you don't need a library to hook anything in lua |
| 01:25.15 | shifuimam | ? |
| 01:25.15 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: you forgot the return to make it a tail call |
| 01:25.30 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Arrowmaster |
| 01:25.30 | purl | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at Arrowmaster |
| 01:25.33 | cbreak | Arrowmaster: I was keeping it short :) |
| 01:25.52 | Thunder_Child | but Arrowmasterwas making a very bad pun |
| 01:25.58 | shifuimam | cbreak: i'm not sure i understand |
| 01:26.15 | Thunder_Child | s/Arrowmasterwas/Arrowmaster was/ |
| 01:26.16 | cbreak | did you see the lua code above? |
| 01:26.21 | shifuimam | yes.. |
| 01:26.30 | cbreak | It hooks the global print function |
| 01:26.51 | cbreak | of course, Arrowmaster is right and I should have written return oldprint(...) |
| 01:26.59 | shifuimam | oh i see |
| 01:27.08 | cbreak | but it's fairly easy to hook functions |
| 01:27.09 | shifuimam | i just copied into notepad and added what i THINK are the right line breaks |
| 01:27.24 | cbreak | no need for linebreaks unless you want to read it |
| 01:27.28 | Arrowmaster | im not certain but i thought i heard that RoM used Lua 5.0 |
| 01:27.29 | shifuimam | yeah, i do :P |
| 01:27.35 | Arrowmaster | which means hooking is harder |
| 01:27.44 | shifuimam | so by using "function (...)" that automatically passes all arguments that were passed the hooked function? |
| 01:28.12 | cbreak | ... is lua style vararg syntax |
| 01:28.18 | shifuimam | Arrowmaster: so cbreak's example may not work so nicely, then? |
| 01:28.24 | cbreak | no |
| 01:28.27 | cbreak | it works better |
| 01:28.30 | cbreak | it is better |
| 01:29.00 | cbreak | but as he said, it's Lua 5.1. I never worked intensively with one older, so I have no idea about the difficulties |
| 01:29.09 | shifuimam | the other thing i am still trying to figure out, for a different addon, is how to add sleep() functionality. |
| 01:29.15 | Arrowmaster | ... doesnt exist in 5.0 |
| 01:29.23 | shifuimam | Arrowmaster: so this won't even work |
| 01:29.38 | shifuimam | or do you mean making code delay before running |
| 01:29.52 | cbreak | shifuimam: lua never sleeps |
| 01:30.07 | Nechckn | Much like Cairenn |
| 01:30.09 | shifuimam | there's no way to make it do any kind of delay? |
| 01:30.17 | cbreak | depends on the API |
| 01:30.32 | cbreak | I've usually only seen it used event based |
| 01:30.45 | cbreak | so you're not supposed to do busy waiting or similar stunts |
| 01:30.52 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn: or Shirik |
| 01:30.56 | shifuimam | yeah, i can understand that |
| 01:30.59 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:31.05 | shifuimam | i just want to delay running something on an addon until all other addons are loaded |
| 01:31.21 | Nechckn | Too true, Thunder_Child - unless they are *together*! |
| 01:31.24 | cbreak | very API dependent |
| 01:31.34 | Nechckn | But that is not really sleeping... is it? |
| 01:31.34 | cbreak | in wow, there are plenty of events you can register for |
| 01:31.50 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn: no, because if they were together one would wake the other up |
| 01:32.10 | Nechckn | Sort of a perpetual motion machine |
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| 01:32.11 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: i found the rom wiki and i cant tell whats different, its a fucking carbon copy of wow |
| 01:32.24 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn: thats a mental image i didnt need |
| 01:32.28 | shifuimam | stupid Internet broke |
| 01:32.44 | cbreak | I don't even know what rom is. But that's detail anyway :) |
| 01:32.54 | shifuimam | cbreak: RoM = Runes of Magic |
| 01:33.45 | Arrowmaster | wow clone the chinese company that used to run the chinese realm created |
| 01:34.33 | Arrowmaster | lua> _VERSION |
| 01:34.34 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Lua 5.1 |
| 01:34.54 | shifuimam | taiwanese, actually. it's a good game; i'm enjoying it |
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| 01:37.30 | DWSR | Why do people use gearscore? |
| 01:37.39 | DWSR | gear = skill, amirite? |
| 01:37.46 | cbreak | no |
| 01:37.56 | DWSR | hold on. |
| 01:37.58 | cbreak | gear ~ performance |
| 01:38.00 | DWSR | Forgot the sarcasm tags. |
| 01:38.04 | Lopeppeppy | It makes them happy in some obscure craptastic way. |
| 01:38.07 | cbreak | (using ~ as proportional) |
| 01:38.12 | DWSR | [sarcasm]gear = skill, amirite?[/sarcasm] |
| 01:38.22 | cbreak | but most people are too dumb to know the difference :/ |
| 01:38.27 | DWSR | cbreak: That's also a complete fallacy. |
| 01:38.30 | cbreak | (I banned that addon from my guild) |
| 01:38.39 | cbreak | DWSR: it's true |
| 01:38.43 | DWSR | No it's not. |
| 01:38.45 | cbreak | with better gear, you perform better |
| 01:38.49 | DWSR | No you don't. |
| 01:38.53 | cbreak | I do :) |
| 01:38.59 | DWSR | Of course *you* do. |
| 01:39.04 | cbreak | my dps increases with every item I get |
| 01:39.05 | DWSR | As a general truth, that's complete garbage. |
| 01:39.07 | Thunder_Child | Gearscore can show some experience. eg. you can only have this lvl score if you have been here. |
| 01:39.19 | Thunder_Child | crafted items mess with that however |
| 01:39.21 | cbreak | wouldn't achievements be better for that? |
| 01:39.25 | DWSR | T_C: I thought gearscore...was....about gear? |
| 01:39.36 | DWSR | Silly me for thinking otherwise.\ |
| 01:40.16 | Thunder_Child | cbreak: i have recived an achivement while afk, so no. but most people will not give out gear to people who do nothing |
| 01:40.17 | Thunder_Child | even in guids |
| 01:40.20 | Thunder_Child | guilds* |
| 01:40.32 | tem | DWSR, well he makes a good point |
| 01:40.41 | cbreak | the afk-in-ironforge achievement? :) |
| 01:40.47 | DWSR | T_C: I dunno. |
| 01:40.48 | tem | to a certain extent, GS does tell you where someone's gear comes from |
| 01:40.59 | DWSR | I've seen lots of loot rot to people who definitely don't deserve it. |
| 01:41.10 | cbreak | I am not sure, but I don't think gearscore scores based on source |
| 01:41.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i've seen lots of people win gear who don't deserve it |
| 01:41.17 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:41.24 | cbreak | it probably has some flawed hard coded embedded value score table |
| 01:41.42 | Thunder_Child | cbreak: but gear is based on source |
| 01:41.45 | cbreak | either that, or it just bases it's rating on iLevel |
| 01:41.52 | DWSR | T_C: Which is also stupid. |
| 01:41.57 | Thunder_Child | and only a high lvl gearscore can come from a high lvl dungeon |
| 01:42.09 | DWSR | T_C: spriest T8 actually beats T9. |
| 01:42.09 | Thunder_Child | s/dungeon/raid/ |
| 01:42.18 | DWSR | So spriests are boned for gearscore. |
| 01:42.21 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: it probably is ilvl based. |
| 01:42.23 | Thunder_Child | oh, yes |
| 01:42.31 | NightHawkTheSane | thats the easiest thing to do |
| 01:42.32 | DWSR | Like Is aid. |
| 01:42.34 | DWSR | I said* |
| 01:42.41 | DWSR | gearscore has nothing to do with performance or anything else. |
| 01:42.42 | Thunder_Child | actually DWSR priests in general are boned |
| 01:42.45 | DWSR | It's complete epeenery. |
| 01:42.56 | DWSR | And it's a totally inaccurate measurement of how someone will do in a raid. |
| 01:42.59 | Thunder_Child | but i wasnt arguing for gearscore, i think it's a pile of garbage |
| 01:43.24 | Thunder_Child | actually, i think thats an insult to a pile of garbage |
| 01:43.27 | cbreak | My Nibelung beats the universally superior ToTC Heroic staff due to iLevel in gear score I bet. |
| 01:43.30 | DWSR | s/a/the/ |
| 01:43.39 | DWSR | lulz anyway. |
| 01:43.51 | DWSR | cbreak: Probably. |
| 01:44.08 | DWSR | Someone asked me what my gearscore was. |
| 01:44.13 | cbreak | Nibelung rocks anyway visually :) |
| 01:44.20 | DWSR | So I told him "Over 9000 and I've killed BQL and ToGC Anub25. Next?" |
| 01:44.20 | cbreak | no one dared to ask me so far :) |
| 01:44.23 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: and likewise, gearscore -vastly- underrates my illustration of the dragon soul |
| 01:44.24 | shifuimam | cbreak: should i put this hook code in my OnLoad function? |
| 01:44.31 | Thunder_Child | actually i can think of /one/time where GS would come in handy, to decide who is driving on the first boss fight in ulduar. |
| 01:44.32 | NightHawkTheSane | that still holds up absurdly well, like three tiers later. |
| 01:44.35 | shifuimam | or my event watch function? |
| 01:44.37 | DWSR | NHTS: Even though it's like top10 trinkets? |
| 01:44.48 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: it's only ilvl 213 though! :P |
| 01:44.51 | cbreak | shifuimam: only hook if you understand the consequences |
| 01:44.57 | cbreak | do it as late as possible |
| 01:45.01 | DWSR | NHTS: Abyssal Rune is top10 for locks, and it's ilvl200. |
| 01:45.03 | shifuimam | gm |
| 01:45.05 | shifuimam | hm* |
| 01:45.15 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: not just locks, but yeah, thats another one |
| 01:45.21 | DWSR | AR actually beats IotDS, I think. |
| 01:45.21 | shifuimam | so perhaps not worth the trouble? i don't really know anything about function hooking. |
| 01:45.32 | DWSR | This expansion sucks monkey nuts for trinkets and decent offhands. |
| 01:45.32 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, probably. |
| 01:45.42 | DWSR | Oh, and caster neck pieces. |
| 01:46.17 | cbreak | the Malygos quest neck is rather neat |
| 01:46.26 | cbreak | and I like Nibelung for it's proc. |
| 01:46.39 | cbreak | (I got up to 9 valkyrs at once :) |
| 01:46.43 | DWSR | cbreak: It's still really good too. |
| 01:46.49 | DWSR | I want a fucking Wail of the Val'kyr. |
| 01:46.54 | DWSR | It won't drop for me though |
| 01:47.25 | NightHawkTheSane | my phone autocorrects "pfft" to "orgy" |
| 01:47.33 | DWSR | http://is.gd/7MJgS <-- I'm still using Evoker's Charm from T8. |
| 01:47.36 | DWSR | NHTS: win. |
| 01:47.46 | DWSR | purl, help |
| 01:47.47 | cbreak | Interesting. I think I have that neck. |
| 01:48.12 | batrick | well that's strange |
| 01:48.21 | DWSR | Who's got the quote bot? |
| 01:48.21 | batrick | i scanned one of the wow servers and no open tcp ports |
| 01:48.22 | DWSR | ~win |
| 01:48.22 | purl | rumour has it, win is lose. |
| 01:48.29 | DWSR | purl, no, win is <NightHawkTheSane> my phone autocorrects "pfft" to "orgy" |
| 01:48.30 | purl | DWSR: okay |
| 01:48.43 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 01:48.50 | DWSR | It's just too awesome. |
| 01:49.19 | cbreak | batrick: what kind of scan? |
| 01:49.22 | cbreak | syn scanning? |
| 01:49.24 | DWSR | cbreak: What makes me lol is that I'm missing 2 enchants (rings, not high enough enchanting yet) and have a 226 neckpiece. |
| 01:49.31 | DWSR | And like, I'm top 25 on my server. |
| 01:49.34 | batrick | cbreak: yes |
| 01:49.41 | batrick | all filtered |
| 01:49.46 | cbreak | probably |
| 01:49.57 | cbreak | if it wasn't strictly against the policy |
| 01:50.03 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: "I didnt want to mom, but dad said 'pfft' so we did it anyway. |
| 01:50.06 | cbreak | you could use wireshark to trace a wow login sequence |
| 01:50.10 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:50.11 | cbreak | and use that for pinging |
| 01:50.14 | batrick | ya but i'm lazy |
| 01:50.18 | batrick | and don't have an active account |
| 01:50.30 | batrick | i was just curious what they might have open on it |
| 01:50.31 | DWSR | Don't need one. |
| 01:50.37 | DWSR | Just use shitty account data. |
| 01:50.44 | batrick | wow probably has some hackery where you never directly initiate a connection to a server |
| 01:50.48 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:51.42 | DWSR | wow probably has some hackery <- fix't. |
| 01:52.06 | batrick | ? |
| 01:52.06 | shifuimam | cbreak: okay, so i hooked the function but it doesn't run the original function like i expected, once i'm done |
| 01:52.09 | DWSR | If this fucking random dungeon gives me cos I'm going to kill someone |
| 01:52.18 | cbreak | shifuimam: then you did it wrong :) |
| 01:52.21 | DWSR | ah, Oc, much good. |
| 01:52.40 | shifuimam | i think i may have :P |
| 01:53.16 | shifuimam | yeah iu messed something up |
| 01:53.20 | batrick | shifuimam: the n00bs guide to function hooking: do local old = FUNCTIONNAMEHERE; function FUNCTIONNAMEHERE (...) -[[ do stuff ]] return old(...) end end |
| 01:54.01 | batrick | you may need to get more fancy if you want to look at the "old" function call results |
| 01:54.02 | cbreak | batrick: shifuimam might be in a lua 5.0 environment which might not have varargs |
| 01:54.06 | shifuimam | this is what i have http://pastebin.org/86837 |
| 01:54.17 | shifuimam | i'm not using a vararg, although i have seen that in other addons so i know it's supported |
| 01:54.21 | shifuimam | the function i'm watching only has one arg |
| 01:54.31 | batrick | why the hell wouldn't he have 5.1 in WoW? |
| 01:54.37 | durcyn | it's not wow. |
| 01:54.39 | shifuimam | batrick: cause i'm in RoM, not WoW |
| 01:54.40 | cbreak | you don't need to call it after you hooked it |
| 01:54.48 | batrick | code snipped looks like wow |
| 01:54.49 | shifuimam | so i can take out the last line? |
| 01:54.49 | batrick | guess not |
| 01:54.55 | shifuimam | batrick: RoM uses Lua |
| 01:55.02 | batrick | dunno what RoM is |
| 01:55.04 | batrick | but ok |
| 01:55.08 | shifuimam | runes of magic; f2p mmo from taiwan |
| 01:55.22 | shifuimam | cbreak: so shouldn't "wut(arg1)" run the original unhooked function with arg1? |
| 01:55.36 | cbreak | if you put it there |
| 01:55.42 | cbreak | and no other addon put anything else there |
| 01:55.45 | batrick | you should use a local for wut shifuimam |
| 01:55.47 | shifuimam | it's in there...line four |
| 01:55.54 | shifuimam | hm |
| 01:56.04 | shifuimam | can i call arg1 anything i want or does it need to be arg1 |
| 01:56.21 | cbreak | it's your variable, call it what ever you want |
| 01:56.26 | cbreak | some names are off limits though |
| 01:56.39 | cbreak | also |
| 01:56.51 | cbreak | it will of course only get called when an other addon calls that method |
| 01:56.55 | cbreak | when the game itself cancels a buff |
| 01:56.59 | cbreak | it won't call that method |
| 01:57.08 | shifuimam | oh, it will, because i'm watching an in-game native event |
| 01:57.15 | shifuimam | there's an event called UNIT_BUFF_CHANGED that triggers when a buff is canceled |
| 01:57.20 | shifuimam | when that event is triggered, this code runs |
| 01:57.52 | shifuimam | it is hooking correctly, it's just not running with the original function. so it adds my message ot the chat window (e.g. "Buff1 canceled.") and that's it |
| 01:57.55 | shifuimam | so something is still not quite right |
| 01:58.16 | cbreak | well |
| 01:58.20 | cbreak | have you considered |
| 01:58.26 | cbreak | that the original takes more than one argument? :) |
| 01:58.33 | shifuimam | hehe |
| 01:58.36 | cbreak | that's why batrick and I used ... |
| 01:58.42 | shifuimam | according to theromwiki it doesn't. i'll try it with ... |
| 01:58.44 | cbreak | ... matches any number of arguments |
| 01:58.58 | shifuimam | but how can i output ... to the chat frame |
| 01:59.04 | shifuimam | that's the thing; i need that number |
| 01:59.08 | cbreak | match it |
| 01:59.16 | cbreak | local first, second = ... |
| 01:59.18 | shifuimam | you can run CancelPlayerBuff in game as just CancelPlayerBuff(arg1) |
| 01:59.21 | shifuimam | ok |
| 02:00.10 | shifuimam | no dice :( |
| 02:00.52 | shifuimam | http://pastebin.org/86844 |
| 02:01.10 | Iriel | You should use print instead of DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage, it's way easier to type |
| 02:01.44 | Iriel | Plus you can do |
| 02:01.44 | shifuimam | i'm not 100% that that's supported in RoM but i'll try it |
| 02:01.50 | Iriel | print("Buff cancel:", ...) |
| 02:01.52 | cbreak | I wonder if that RoM thing has taint tracking |
| 02:01.53 | Iriel | OH |
| 02:02.02 | Iriel | Sorry, didn't realize it's something copying wow |
| 02:02.14 | cbreak | Real life is copying wow! |
| 02:02.16 | Iriel | that's what I get for skim reading |
| 02:02.21 | shifuimam | heh its ok |
| 02:02.42 | shifuimam | well it does at least look lke print() is suppoorted |
| 02:02.44 | shifuimam | supported, even |
| 02:04.25 | shifuimam | cbreak: what is taint tracking? |
| 02:04.39 | Corrodias | special pants |
| 02:04.53 | cbreak | protects system methods from being changes |
| 02:04.59 | cbreak | among other things |
| 02:05.40 | shifuimam | so that could be what's stopping me from running the original function? |
| 02:05.49 | cbreak | maybe. maybe not. |
| 02:06.03 | cbreak | either that or you do something wrong that's not in the code you pasted :) |
| 02:07.01 | shifuimam | http://pastebin.org/86845 that's the entire file |
| 02:07.44 | shifuimam | you can ignore the OnLoad function, for some reason i have to run that in the add-on's XML file intead of the LUA file |
| 02:08.21 | shifuimam | well, i restarted my client and now it is working |
| 02:08.23 | shifuimam | perhaps i had something cached |
| 02:08.24 | batrick | oo you should know better! |
| 02:08.31 | batrick | Lua not LUA! |
| 02:08.37 | shifuimam | D: |
| 02:08.38 | batrick | =) |
| 02:08.41 | shifuimam | hides in a corner |
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| 02:09.27 | batrick | man it's so easy to hate godaddy |
| 02:09.34 | batrick | they're delaying my domain transfer as long as they can |
| 02:09.54 | shifuimam | i LOATHE godaddy |
| 02:09.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I got a transfer off no problem |
| 02:10.02 | shifuimam | i switched all my domains to 1and1 and am much happier |
| 02:10.03 | Shirik | you should use dyndns |
| 02:10.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I also did my research beforehand |
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| 02:10.30 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: You never answered my question |
| 02:10.34 | ScytheBlade1 | shifuimam: I switched from godaddy to 1and1... and then 1and1 jacked prices way the heck up, so I'm back at godaddy |
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| 02:10.43 | cbreak | does it print Buff first canceled? |
| 02:10.48 | shifuimam | yes |
| 02:10.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: terrible to configure, very very heavy as compared to the other thing I linked |
| 02:10.57 | shifuimam | well it prints Buff $buffid canceled |
| 02:11.01 | Shirik | I found little problem with the configuration :/ |
| 02:11.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I have yet to get it working |
| 02:11.09 | Shirik | But does the "other thing you linked" have a GUI client?! |
| 02:11.11 | shifuimam | ScytheBlade1: their .com registrations are only like $6.50 |
| 02:11.13 | Shirik | I wtb one :( |
| 02:11.24 | ScytheBlade1 | shifuimam: registration... look at their yearly fees |
| 02:11.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: as opposed to a web GUI, I take it? |
| 02:11.53 | Shirik | well I mean having a web GUI too might be nice, but I want something to run on my computer that will pop up and go YO WTF SOMETHING IS BORKED |
| 02:11.59 | shifuimam | ScytheBlade1: it's $7 the first year and $9 every subsequent year |
| 02:12.02 | Shirik | the web GUI has a distinct lack of sound, etc. |
| 02:12.08 | shifuimam | seems cheap to me, plus they let you use their DNS so you can point your domain to an IP |
| 02:12.08 | Shirik | I can't be looking at it all day |
| 02:12.09 | shifuimam | which i need |
| 02:12.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: it was $6, and then $7, and now $9 |
| 02:12.26 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:12.30 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry |
| 02:12.39 | ScytheBlade1 | shifuimam and Shirik have the same 3 starting letters :P |
| 02:13.13 | shifuimam | ScytheBlade1: i guess it still seems cheap compared to some other registrars |
| 02:13.18 | ScytheBlade1 | perhaps |
| 02:13.23 | shifuimam | i'm limited to a certain number of subdomains, but other than that.. |
| 02:13.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: no reason a web GUI can't include sound |
| 02:14.17 | shifuimam | is variable:find() case-sensitive for the string it searches for? |
| 02:18.08 | cbreak | shifuimam: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.find |
| 02:18.47 | shifuimam | oh jeez this may not even be worth the effort. Apparently dismounting doesn't ALWAYS call CancelPlayerBuff |
| 02:19.04 | ScytheBlade1 | There are a lot of edge cases, yes |
| 02:19.30 | cbreak | as I said |
| 02:19.37 | cbreak | if the game removes a buff |
| 02:19.43 | cbreak | it probably won't call it |
| 02:19.52 | cbreak | only if you remove one, or an other addon |
| 02:20.01 | cbreak | probably |
| 02:20.20 | shifuimam | well, you have to dismount manually |
| 02:20.29 | shifuimam | ah yes but of course taking a pot dismounts you |
| 02:21.14 | shifuimam | i think i'll just forget about doing anything upon dismount. no reliable way to know when a char has dismounted |
| 02:21.44 | shifuimam | although this hook thing is good to know about |
| 02:21.46 | Shirik | you don't HAVE to dismount manually |
| 02:22.15 | shifuimam | Shirik: taking pots and casting spells/attacking dismounts you |
| 02:22.21 | shifuimam | so does right-clicking on the mount in your bag |
| 02:22.33 | Shirik | so does flying into a no-fly zone |
| 02:22.39 | shifuimam | hehehe |
| 02:22.41 | shifuimam | no flying mounts in RoM |
| 02:22.43 | cbreak | so does dieing. |
| 02:22.43 | shifuimam | not like in WoW |
| 02:22.49 | Shirik | oh you're talking about another game |
| 02:22.51 | Shirik | ok screw that |
| 02:22.54 | shifuimam | Shirik: yes |
| 02:23.01 | Shirik | you all should play aion |
| 02:23.02 | Shirik | that is all |
| 02:23.05 | shifuimam | :) |
| 02:23.15 | cbreak | aion? that sucky game that doesn't even have a mac client? |
| 02:23.24 | Shirik | not my problem they chose not to cater to noobs |
| 02:23.36 | Nechckn | reoww |
| 02:23.43 | Iriel | Shirik: I lost my aion enthusiasm |
| 02:24.14 | Shirik | as I said to Nechckn, I love aion but will not recommend it to anyone |
| 02:24.42 | Iriel | I think it was when I got to the second big region and found most of the items in it the same as those in the firtst region, just higher level and different names |
| 02:25.07 | Shirik | better than other games I've played |
| 02:25.11 | Shirik | I play for the pvp, not for anything else |
| 02:25.21 | Thunder_Child | "<Shirik> as I said to Nechckn, I love aion but will not recommend it to anyone" "<Shirik> you all should play aion" |
| 02:25.26 | cbreak | if you like PvP (and grinding endlessly), you might like EVE online |
| 02:25.30 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: That was obviously a joke :P |
| 02:25.45 | Shirik | no, I LIKED RF Online |
| 02:25.49 | Iriel | No disagreement there, but I'm not sure it's something I would be willing to pay a subs fee for for long. |
| 02:25.49 | Shirik | but codemasters destroyed that |
| 02:25.55 | Iriel | I played Eve for quite a while |
| 02:25.55 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: wasnt that obvious, also since i didnt see the other comment |
| 02:26.05 | Shirik | Aion is quite unique in its PVP content |
| 02:26.16 | Shirik | but you have to be willing to deal with the fact that it's a korean grind game |
| 02:26.17 | cbreak | wasn't there that warcraft killer? |
| 02:26.21 | cbreak | Warhammer Online? |
| 02:26.25 | Dagmar | No other game provides such an unrestrained focus on killing bots. |
| 02:26.31 | cbreak | it was supposed to have superior pvp and so on |
| 02:26.35 | cbreak | wonder what happened to it |
| 02:26.39 | Shirik | Dagmar: Bots are much better than most games I've played :P |
| 02:26.54 | durcyn | warhammer's still around |
| 02:27.24 | durcyn | it wasn't actually a bad game, just a bit niche.. age of conan on the other hand, wasn't even half-finished when it was kicked out the door |
| 02:28.04 | Dagmar | Everyone loves multiplayer games that start with 20 levels of single-player, ending in a slideshow |
| 02:28.22 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:28.36 | Dagmar | You remember how the minimum requirements were an 8600? |
| 02:28.46 | Dagmar | er 6600? |
| 02:29.02 | Dagmar | I had an 8800. All the effects turned down, and the burly-fight that ends the single-player part was a freaking slideshow |
| 02:29.07 | Dagmar | Not even 1fps. |
| 02:29.25 | Dagmar | Someone was smoking some GOOD dope to not notice that during QA |
| 02:30.08 | Dagmar | When I first got near it with the effects somewhat turned up, I thougth the machine crashed. THen the screen updated. |
| 02:30.09 | Dagmar | Then I was dead. |
| 02:31.17 | cbreak | so basically |
| 02:31.27 | cbreak | the final cutscene was in dalaran? |
| 02:31.32 | Dagmar | Gettin through that for me involved pointing my toon at the opening on the far side of the clearing, holding down 'W', and then waiting until my frames went back up |
| 02:31.39 | Dagmar | Dude I get ~20fps in Dalaran |
| 02:31.53 | Wobin | ~203.5/3 |
| 02:31.54 | purl | 67.833333333333 |
| 02:31.54 | cbreak | me too. Once the world is loaded :) |
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| 02:32.26 | Dagmar | When I cancelled my sub to AoC I put in the little box "Your minimum requirements were an outright lie." |
| 02:33.40 | cbreak | see Windows Vista Capable :) |
| 02:35.57 | shifuimam | cbreak: thanks for all your help |
| 02:36.09 | cbreak | no problem :) |
| 02:37.23 | Adys | anyone familiar with openbox? |
| 02:37.55 | Arrowmaster | sorta |
| 02:38.18 | Adys | is it better than metacity? |
| 02:38.30 | Adys | and how do I bind super-click to move the window |
| 02:39.23 | Arrowmaster | binds are all done in a config file |
| 02:39.38 | Arrowmaster | look at the openbox site for directions |
| 02:39.48 | Adys | mmk |
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| 02:40.18 | ScytheBlade1 | http://i.imgur.com/DCDMs.jpg |
| 02:40.21 | ScytheBlade1 | mildly sfw |
| 02:40.36 | Adys | what the fuc |
| 02:40.43 | Arrowmaster | old |
| 02:40.47 | ScytheBlade1 | yes it is old |
| 02:40.48 | Wobin | how far up does that armpit hair -go-? |
| 02:41.25 | Dagmar | All the way into the hippiecampus of the brain |
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| 02:45.56 | cbreak | Yay australia. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/studios-crushed-isp-cant-be-forced-to-play-copyright-cop.ars |
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| 02:46.19 | Corrodias | "yay australia". don't get to say that often. |
| 02:46.35 | cbreak | ... they have people with brains after all |
| 02:46.46 | norgs | i read some reviews of that decision |
| 02:47.11 | cbreak | I read the australians want to commit camel genocide |
| 02:47.24 | cbreak | so they can continue to pollute the world with their dirty coal power plants |
| 02:47.28 | norgs | apparently some leag people thing the judge threw that decision by makeing findings outside point of lay and beyond what was required by the case |
| 02:47.32 | cbreak | ... on a totally unrelated note :) |
| 02:47.34 | norgs | *legal |
| 02:47.43 | norgs | *law |
| 02:47.47 | norgs | geez |
| 02:47.54 | norgs | i stuffed that up |
| 02:48.01 | cbreak | so he did more than he had to? Even better :) |
| 02:48.06 | ScytheBlade1 | yes you did... it took me a bit to process that one, lol |
| 02:48.09 | norgs | anyhow, apparently he left the door wide open for appeal |
| 02:48.51 | cbreak | och :( |
| 02:49.20 | cbreak | well, maybe they commit genocide with record studio execs/lawyers to save up carbon credits. |
| 02:49.44 | Iriel | Screw that case, I'm disappointed in the outcome of the men at work suit |
| 02:50.10 | bleeter | Iriel: you read the judgement? |
| 02:50.15 | bleeter | makes prefect sense to me |
| 02:50.26 | bleeter | MAW took 50% of someone's (C) work and presented it as their own |
| 02:50.58 | bleeter | to the extent in 2002 they were singing the other person's lyrics over the top |
| 02:51.02 | bleeter | that's so way not cool |
| 02:51.46 | cbreak | a cover band? |
| 02:51.59 | bleeter | and yes I know Kookaburra's probably just a Welsh folk song ripped off, but Sinclair still had the rights assigned to her and it was up to MAW to get that fixed |
| 02:52.10 | bleeter | cbreak: nah, Hay and Ham doing gigs as MAW, afaik. |
| 02:52.31 | bleeter | Iriel: also, the flute player's sitting in a gum tree in the video clip while he plays the tune |
| 02:53.29 | bleeter | Iriel: If I took 50% of world of warcraft, changed the continents so their on different parts of the map, added a bunch of other stuff then presented it as my own. I'd be in a lot of trouble, wouldn't I? ;) |
| 02:53.33 | Iriel | I'm not going to challenge a similarity with a folk tune, the idea that winning the suit somehow entitles the rights holder to 40-60 percent of the rights to the song |
| 02:53.45 | Iriel | Assume world of warcraft is a tune a few bars long |
| 02:53.50 | Iriel | and you embed it in a much larger work |
| 02:54.54 | bleeter | the key is 'substantial'. any short tune, a substantial part will be one or two bars. kookaburra's four bars. transpose the flute part, and it's 50% of the original work |
| 02:55.14 | bleeter | so a substantial part of the original work was copied. whether it's 4 or 400 bars, 50% is a large chunk |
| 02:55.39 | cbreak | how much entropy does such a bar contain? |
| 02:55.51 | bleeter | I think Larrakin were after 40-60, but judge hasn't decided yet |
| 02:56.39 | bleeter | yeah, Larrakin are after 40-60, but judge hasn't determined that yet |
| 02:56.58 | bleeter | cbreak: depends on how much alcohol, and what % it is :P |
| 02:57.42 | cbreak | I don't know what such a bar is, but if it's entropy potential is too little |
| 02:57.54 | cbreak | you might accidentally get one that's already taken |
| 02:58.08 | cbreak | especially if the welformedness criterion of those bar things are strict |
| 02:58.19 | cbreak | (not every musical arangement of notes sounds acceptable I guess) |
| 02:58.32 | bleeter | Iriel: in fact, the judgement pretty clearly says why he's not determining costs yet |
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| 02:59.53 | Iriel | The reporting of the story tends not to include the whole judgement,perhaps it's overly hyperbolic |
| 03:00.38 | bleeter | From what I've seen, the reporting of the story's been absolute shite |
| 03:01.17 | bleeter | Repeating the flute player saying 'oh it's all about greed they're bastards' when in fact the greed was the band knowingly stole a tune and didn't even acknowledge the proper rights holder |
| 03:02.33 | bleeter | it's a lot easier for the band to claim the underdog position against the record company, because the composer of kookaburra is dead and had no children, so the executors of her estate can't really speak to certain questions (ie, why she never contested earlier) |
| 03:03.11 | bleeter | sorry iriel, that story's rubbed a nerve for me the past few days ;) |
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| 03:03.44 | bleeter | So much I wrote http://bleeter.wordpress.com/2010/02/05/why-men-at-work-are-theiving-bastards-who-should-be-put-out-of-a-job/ lol |
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| 03:07.59 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1, where are you getting these links? =P |
| 03:08.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobin: the internetz |
| 03:08.18 | ScytheBlade1 | <-- human link aggregator |
| 03:08.18 | Wobin | this cross channel coincidences are creepy =P |
| 03:08.22 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:08.29 | ScytheBlade1 | You're not in this other channel, I can assure you of that |
| 03:09.28 | cbreak | #googlebot-spiderfeed? |
| 03:10.09 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1, nah, it's just the same links pasted by two different people |
| 03:10.24 | Wobin | across a few servers, including a private IRC =P |
| 03:10.55 | Wobin | bleeter, that's well and fine. but 60% of the song's profits? |
| 03:11.03 | Wobin | that riff wasn't 60% of the song |
| 03:11.52 | Adys | Wobin: the reason why you can get two people who don't know each other linking the same url in a very short amount of time is the same one as why food culture in specific areas of the world tends to be similar as you move |
| 03:12.07 | Wobin | Adys, oh I know there's a common factor |
| 03:12.13 | Wobin | I'm just trying to find it =P |
| 03:12.24 | Wobin | like, for example, PA news article or something =P |
| 03:12.36 | Adys | twitter probably |
| 03:13.02 | Wobin | nah |
| 03:16.12 | bleeter | Wobin: I dunno, that's immaterial to the reason to find against MAW. And the claimant's explanation for 40-60 hasn't been made public afaik. |
| 03:16.46 | bleeter | but, as His Honour noted the respondents didn't call Mr Ham (the flute player), who in his affidavit admitted to putting in the tune to inject some australian flavour to it |
| 03:16.47 | Wobin | bleeter, as I said, that's all well and fine =P |
| 03:16.50 | Iriel | This article was much better written than most of the ones I've come across i nthe US news: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/notes-of-dischord-in-court-case-20100205-nhkl.html |
| 03:17.07 | Wobin | sue the bastards for plagarism |
| 03:17.12 | Wobin | yes yes |
| 03:17.16 | Wobin | but 60%? |
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| 03:19.33 | Wobin | of course now |
| 03:19.38 | Wobin | there will never be any new music =P |
| 03:19.40 | bleeter | Iriel: it's better, yes. still, comes back to the band knew what they were doing. and never corrected the records for the performing rights association, or the mechanical copyright organisation |
| 03:19.47 | Adys | Anyone in here likes mint? |
| 03:20.00 | bleeter | if they'd done either of those things, and approached the rights holders... might've been a bit different |
| 03:20.10 | Wobin | http://www.spiderrobinson.com/melancholyelephants.html |
| 03:20.16 | bleeter | Wobin: 60%? I thought Larrakin were asking 40% |
| 03:20.26 | bleeter | ie, 40-60 is 'we take 40, you keep 60' |
| 03:20.36 | Wobin | ah, different then =P |
| 03:20.40 | bleeter | could well be that 40% is including legal costs |
| 03:20.48 | Iriel | I read that as 'between 40 and 60 percent' |
| 03:20.53 | bleeter | ie, 'don't find lawyers fees against the respondent' |
| 03:21.01 | bleeter | Iriel: oh, could be that too |
| 03:22.29 | Adys | nobody here likes mint? =/ |
| 03:22.38 | Adys | Cairenn: Don't disappoint me, student! |
| 03:22.39 | Wobin | Adys, depends on the mint |
| 03:22.41 | bleeter | Adys: in small amounts |
| 03:22.58 | Adys | I just made icecubes out of mint syrup |
| 03:23.04 | Adys | with very small mint leaves |
| 03:23.13 | Adys | it's the most awesome thing I've done in my life |
| 03:23.28 | Cairenn | ummmm, not straight mint syrup, I hope? that'd be awfully strong |
| 03:23.33 | Wobin | Waiter: Please let me know if you have any food allergies. We ninjas don't like to kill by accident; we only kill on purpose. |
| 03:23.33 | Wobin | --Ninja Japanese Restaurant |
| 03:23.34 | Cairenn | (and yes, I like mint) |
| 03:23.43 | Adys | Cairenn: 40% syrup, 60% water |
| 03:23.45 | Adys | it's strong |
| 03:23.46 | bleeter | goes off and takes 50% of MAW's output, incorporates it into a larger work, sells it and makes billions |
| 03:24.02 | Adys | it's also VERY HARD to get out of the plastic thingy |
| 03:24.04 | Adys | whatever its name |
| 03:24.57 | Cairenn | ice cube tray |
| 03:24.58 | Cairenn | :p |
| 03:25.01 | Wobin | ice cube tray? |
| 03:25.15 | Adys | ah yea |
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| 03:38.03 | Thunder_Child | ~staple A-KO |
| 03:38.04 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples A-KO quite well, and hands A-KO to thunder_child |
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| 03:51.18 | Wobin | oh god >< |
| 03:51.33 | Wobin | 60 chocolate crackles later... |
| 03:51.55 | Thunder_Child | ~comfort |
| 03:51.58 | Thunder_Child | ~comfort Wobin |
| 03:51.59 | purl | There, there, Wobin. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:52.40 | Thunder_Child | i dont even know what a crackle is, but it has the word chocolate, so i already feel sorry for you |
| 03:53.14 | kdtresh | i feel sorry for the bathroom scale |
| 03:53.31 | kdtresh | mine cringes whenever it hears the word "chocolate" |
| 03:53.48 | Wobin | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3523/3753632811_e6e36f9682.jpg |
| 03:53.49 | kdtresh | though i think it's more afraid of cheese |
| 03:53.50 | Wobin | something like that |
| 03:53.54 | Thunder_Child | then stop letting your scale eat chocolate |
| 03:54.07 | Thunder_Child | or chease |
| 03:54.12 | Thunder_Child | cheese* |
| 03:54.24 | kdtresh | i didn't say when it eats, i said when it "hears" |
| 03:54.39 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: oh, you mean a chocolate rice cripsy treat |
| 03:54.44 | Thunder_Child | more or less |
| 03:54.59 | Wobin | total recipe quantities... 2 cups of sugar, 2 cups of dessicated coconut, half a kilo of coconut oil, and half a packet of cocoa |
| 03:55.27 | Wobin | (and a box of rice bubbles) |
| 03:55.36 | kdtresh | like a krackel bar, but in balls |
| 03:55.37 | kdtresh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krackel |
| 03:55.56 | Wobin | not quite so much chocolate =) |
| 03:56.09 | Wobin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolate_crackle |
| 04:03.31 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.33 | Dagmar | Euuuuw |
| 04:03.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It actually isn't the bad |
| 04:03.46 | KarlKFI | not Rice Crispies? |
| 04:03.52 | ScytheBlade1 | it sounds terrible, it isn't in practice |
| 04:03.52 | Shirik | So my mom calls me |
| 04:03.55 | Shirik | I tell her I'm eating a donut |
| 04:04.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: fix her computer for her |
| 04:04.01 | Dagmar | That sounds like saying Necco Wafers are an alternative to SweeTarts |
| 04:04.02 | Shirik | she told me to go see a doctor |
| 04:04.09 | Shirik | because I was eating a donut |
| 04:04.21 | kdtresh | ugh, necco |
| 04:04.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: if you actually ate your disc, you should go to the doctor |
| 04:04.27 | Shirik | I even asked her why because I couldn't believe that was her reason, and she said "Every time you're eating donuts, your thyroid's acting up" |
| 04:04.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: otherwise, you should find it, or give me a valid reason why you can't |
| 04:04.46 | Shirik | So I told her I don't think there's an ICD code for the insurance claim for "Blood work because of donuts" |
| 04:04.51 | kdtresh | necco wafers are like the redheaded stepchild of the redheaded stepchildren of spree |
| 04:05.01 | Dagmar | I thought they were chalk at first |
| 04:05.09 | kdtresh | they probably are |
| 04:05.11 | KarlKFI | they;re good for makign ginger bread houses |
| 04:05.14 | Dagmar | I was under the impression that candy was supposed to be _sweet_ |
| 04:05.18 | Shirik | necco wafers are so bad |
| 04:05.18 | KarlKFI | provided you dont want to eat them |
| 04:05.20 | kdtresh | my dad still buys them |
| 04:05.33 | kdtresh | they're more like rolaids than candy |
| 04:05.36 | Dagmar | How the hell do you make something that's mostly sugar not be sweet anyway |
| 04:06.09 | Dagmar | I figured they'd be like giant Smarties (not the Canuckian kind) |
| 04:06.16 | KarlKFI | sugar? i thought they were made out of paint chips |
| 04:06.30 | Dagmar | Could be |
| 04:07.42 | kdtresh | or sidewalk scrapings |
| 04:08.00 | KarlKFI | Melt in you kiln, not in your hand. |
| 04:08.10 | Dagmar | I always sort of figured maybe the leftovers from pastel blackboard chalk |
| 04:08.36 | Dagmar | Maybe in some places kids use them to draw hopscotch lines and we're just DOIN IT RONG |
| 04:08.46 | kdtresh | emergency substitute by the blackboard, disguised as a "treat" |
| 04:09.13 | Dagmar | Well, I did watch a substitute teacher eat about four or five art pastel chalks that were left open by his desk |
| 04:09.25 | Dagmar | I just figured he grew on up Necco Wafers or I'd have said something to stop him |
| 04:09.52 | Dagmar | Like, SURELY he knows it's not candy NOW that he's chewing one up |
| 04:09.55 | Dagmar | No, he eats another. |
| 04:10.13 | KarlKFI | bad ass teacher routine? |
| 04:10.16 | Dagmar | No. |
| 04:10.25 | Dagmar | Just a typical "substitute teacher" |
| 04:10.44 | Dagmar | Like, there's a reason this guy isn't considered suitable to instruct children full-time |
| 04:10.58 | KarlKFI | typical "substitute teacher" has chalk on her ass, not in her stomache |
| 04:11.05 | Dagmar | This means you're generally not even suited to raise yer own kids |
| 04:11.51 | Dagmar | I remember one science sub who was a good teacher, but a bad influence and an excellent bad example. |
| 04:12.18 | KarlKFI | In 2009, Necco went public with plans to change from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_flavor to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_flavor, in a more muted color palette. |
| 04:12.19 | Dagmar | He came in rippingly hung over and explained that body mass matters with alcohol, talked about it's ability to mess up your judgement and stuff. |
| 04:12.32 | Dagmar | Then pointed out the window at his *formerly* gold-fleck camaro. |
| 04:12.51 | Dagmar | He and his buddies had gotten drunk the night before and went at it with green, silver, and pink spray paint cans. |
| 04:14.39 | Dagmar | I still say that's something wholly appropriate to teach kids about at that age. |
| 04:15.01 | Dagmar | ...even though everyone in the class fully agreed, liquor makes you stupid. |
| 04:15.34 | KarlKFI | doesn't mean it's not fun |
| 04:15.39 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:15.46 | KarlKFI | just not so fun the next day |
| 04:15.49 | DWSR | pft. |
| 04:15.54 | DWSR | Not if you wake up still smashed. |
| 04:16.27 | KarlKFI | i was referring more to the inevitable consequences of being stupid |
| 04:17.23 | Dagmar | Because of that man, there were very few heavy drinkers in my graduating class |
| 04:18.19 | DWSR | there's nothing wrong with heavy drinking |
| 04:18.26 | DWSR | Just with heavy amounts of heavy drinking |
| 04:18.36 | kdtresh | the mayor of las vegas told a class of 4th graders if he was stranded on a desert island he'd want a showgirl and a bottle of bombay sapphire gin |
| 04:18.46 | Dagmar | There is if you spray paint your "chick magnet" sports-car godwaful colors when you do it |
| 04:19.00 | DWSR | Dagmar: Paint can be redone. |
| 04:19.03 | Dagmar | Like, the whole damn car was covered in garish swirls |
| 04:19.04 | DWSR | Memories last a lifetime. |
| 04:19.10 | Dagmar | I still remember it |
| 04:19.34 | kdtresh | maybe that should be part of the curriculum |
| 04:19.39 | Dagmar | "I swear this looked incredible last night." |
| 04:25.04 | Dagmar | I don't think it would really work as curriculum, because you could pretty much be making the whole thing up and kids would see it like all the other insane propaganda out there |
| 04:27.18 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: I swear at some point you'd think maybe they'd get the idea to transition to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Any_Goddamn_Flavor_You_Can_Actually_Taste |
| 04:27.22 | KarlKFI | teaching abstinence is statistically effective. i dunno why teaching sobriety wouldn't be. |
| 04:27.52 | Dagmar | People get pregnant all the time and nothing seriously bad happens |
| 04:28.18 | KarlKFI | ... |
| 04:28.37 | Dagmar | Catastrophic mutilation of someone's own what would otherwise have been a _really_ pretty car, now.. |
| 04:28.41 | Dagmar | ...those just don't happen every day. |
| 04:28.45 | Arrowmaster | you dont consider idiots breeding as seriously bad? |
| 04:28.51 | Dagmar | The idiots don't. |
| 04:29.11 | KarlKFI | the point is not weather it's right or not. the point is that it would probably be effective curriculum :P |
| 04:29.45 | Dagmar | You shake a finger at a kid and tell them "heroin/smack/meth/X/speed/dilaudids/opium/pot" is bad and then just glaze over |
| 04:29.49 | Dagmar | er they |
| 04:30.05 | Dagmar | You can tell them ghost stories about it all day long, but it won't connect to anything they know. |
| 04:30.21 | Dagmar | You *show* them a real disaster first-hand and they pick up fast |
| 04:30.24 | KarlKFI | you cant just tell them it's bad. you have to find all the horrible terrible things that could happen to them if they used it |
| 04:31.14 | KarlKFI | and yes, seeing a disaster is far more meaningful than hearing about it 3rd hand |
| 04:31.29 | KarlKFI | no big surprise there |
| 04:31.47 | Dagmar | I just wish it wouldn't be outright traumatic to show some things to kids |
| 04:31.52 | ZorbaTHut | I think my mom had a far better approach to drug education. she told me about all the drugs she'd done when she was in college and what kind of effect they had on her |
| 04:32.02 | Dagmar | Like, how hard is it really to find some girl selling herself for crack or heroin |
| 04:32.04 | ZorbaTHut | mostly, she was bored. it left me shockingly uninterested in trying them myself. :P |
| 04:32.42 | KarlKFI | mostly they ARE boring. it's all about the group activities |
| 04:33.08 | KarlKFI | drugs and alcohol are MUCH more fun with other stupid people |
| 04:33.23 | ZorbaTHut | that said, drug education would also be a lot more effective if it didn't blatantly lie |
| 04:33.25 | Wobin | they're social drugs? =) |
| 04:33.33 | Dagmar | I dunno man. You only have to see someone stumbling around like a zombie *once* and it's pretty clear |
| 04:33.38 | Dagmar | Smack are BAD. |
| 04:33.51 | ZorbaTHut | "pot is awful and anyone who ever does pot will turn into a worthless waste of humanity" looks pretty bad when you see people admit to doing pot who are in really good places in their life |
| 04:33.53 | Dagmar | s/are/R/; |
| 04:34.02 | Wobin | well, that's why I like Australian PSAs |
| 04:34.08 | ZorbaTHut | and then they take the obvious, obvious lie, and extrapolate it to the hard drugs that *are* actually worse, and hey look what happens |
| 04:34.11 | Wobin | we don't cut any slack when showing violent imagery |
| 04:34.12 | ZorbaTHut | are you shocked? I am shocked! |
| 04:35.02 | Wobin | and we aren't afraid to show imagery that's flat out insulting to make a point |
| 04:36.51 | Wobin | point in case, the "Little Finger" campaign |
| 04:37.17 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/10/31/speedad_narrowweb__300x430,0.jpg |
| 04:38.34 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2nvAFOk7x0 |
| 04:39.25 | Wobin | It's a different approach to the shock blood and gore ones previously... |
| 04:40.47 | KarlKFI | can't say i've ever seen anyone wag their little finger. does that mean something in australia? |
| 04:40.56 | DWSR | KarlKFI: Dude. |
| 04:41.01 | DWSR | It's comparing your penis size to that of her pinky. |
| 04:41.19 | KarlKFI | never heard of that in my life |
| 04:42.09 | Wobin | I belive the campaign actually worked really well =P |
| 04:42.21 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 04:42.27 | Cairenn | you've never heard of that KarlKFI? |
| 04:42.32 | Cairenn | boggles |
| 04:42.44 | Wobin | waves his little finger at Cairenn and nods knowingly at KarlKFI |
| 04:42.48 | KarlKFI | no. I can't even say i've ever seen anyone do it either |
| 04:43.52 | Wobin | haha: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/pinky-ad-puts-brakes-on-speeding-p-platers/story-e6freuzr-1111114640979 |
| 04:47.04 | Shirik | (23:40:12) (KarlKFI) never heard of that in my life |
| 04:47.07 | Shirik | QFT |
| 04:47.42 | Shirik | but I've been told I have no common knowledge and the only things I know are the most useless to the average person |
| 04:47.47 | KarlKFI | i even had to look really hard on the internet to find a definition. urban dictionary calls it the "Pinky Salute" |
| 04:48.10 | Wobin | The understanding of the gesture was helped along by the ad campaign |
| 04:48.18 | Wobin | "Nobody thinks big of you" |
| 04:48.20 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: yes to the first part, no to the second |
| 04:48.22 | Wobin | pinky waving |
| 04:48.32 | Wobin | Young teenage men being the target |
| 04:48.48 | Wobin | it all ties together to point out that it's a 'size' thing |
| 04:49.04 | Wobin | yes, prior to the campaign, it wasn't used widely |
| 04:49.22 | Wobin | but since then, it's a gesture to sympathise about stupid young male speeders |
| 04:49.33 | Wobin | who are obviously overcompensating for something =P |
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| 04:50.01 | ScytheBlade1 | curious... define "speeders" :P |
| 04:50.12 | KarlKFI | I'm a stupid young male speeder |
| 04:50.15 | Wobin | You saw the ad |
| 04:50.19 | DWSR | I've never heard of the gesture before in my life, but I figured it out as soon as I saw the ad. |
| 04:50.23 | Wobin | see? |
| 04:50.29 | DWSR | It's really not that complicated. |
| 04:50.34 | Wobin | it's a direct attack at their manhood =P |
| 04:50.39 | KarlKFI | but most of those things int he ad had nothign to do with speeding |
| 04:50.51 | DWSR | Except, I dunno, the fucking word Speeding? |
| 04:50.59 | Wobin | ok, not speeding specifically, but 'stupid behaviour' |
| 04:51.03 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: very few beer ads have anything to do with beer |
| 04:51.11 | KarlKFI | stupi behavior was shown, not speeding |
| 04:51.20 | Wobin | burning rubber, risky manouvres, etc etc |
| 04:51.24 | DWSR | christ you people are stupid. |
| 04:51.28 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 04:51.33 | KarlKFI | stupid behavior isn't technically illegal unless it's reckless. |
| 04:52.01 | DWSR | KarlKFI: Unless it reckless endangers the life of another, yes, I understand that. |
| 04:52.01 | Wobin | You're the type that are like "It's ok to drink drive as long as noone gets hurt!" |
| 04:52.14 | DWSR | Except, of course, when said stupid action is expressly against the law |
| 04:52.15 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 04:52.32 | ScytheBlade1 | drunk driving is inherently reckless |
| 04:52.39 | Wobin | Stupid behaviour begets stupid behaviour |
| 04:52.48 | Wobin | and if you can reduce the amount of stupid behaviour |
| 04:52.51 | Wobin | you reduce accidents |
| 04:52.58 | Wobin | which is the point of the ad |
| 04:52.58 | ScytheBlade1 | it is not the same as 10 over in the left lane |
| 04:53.17 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1, We're not talking about 10 over the speed limit |
| 04:53.19 | KarlKFI | half of socal drives 20 over |
| 04:53.30 | Wobin | Christ, DWSR was right =P |
| 04:53.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:53.41 | Wobin | waves his pinky finger at KarlKFI and ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:53.49 | Wobin | No-one thinks big of you =P |
| 04:53.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I meant to press 2 not 1 |
| 04:53.59 | ScytheBlade1 | typing on my phone atm |
| 04:53.59 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 04:54.06 | Wobin | and it appears that -you- are the target audience =P |
| 04:54.14 | KarlKFI | oh you drive 20 over? then i meant 30 |
| 04:54.16 | Wobin | how does it feel to be considered small dicked? |
| 04:54.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I do 10 over to work |
| 04:54.30 | ScytheBlade1 | and awesome, I guess? |
| 04:54.42 | KarlKFI | that's not what she said |
| 04:55.01 | Wobin | The whole point of those ads is to shame those young males into better behaviour. |
| 04:55.13 | Wobin | They do reckless things because they believe that other people will find it impressive |
| 04:55.20 | Wobin | drag racing, etc, etc |
| 04:55.32 | Wobin | burnouts at the lights |
| 04:55.34 | ScytheBlade1 | those people will kill themselves off anyway |
| 04:55.36 | Wobin | yadda yadda |
| 04:55.37 | KarlKFI | who cares? i thought we were talkign about why me and ScytheBlade1 have never even heard of the pinky wave |
| 04:55.48 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1, that's fine, but when they take out other people |
| 04:55.49 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed |
| 04:55.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobin: true |
| 04:56.02 | Wobin | -that's- what the ad campaign is to prevent |
| 04:56.05 | KarlKFI | cause it didn't exist before that ad campaign i'm pretty sure. |
| 04:56.14 | Wobin | because they -don't- do stuff like that without an audience |
| 04:56.24 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 04:56.25 | Wobin | cause if they're alone, who's there to show off to? |
| 04:56.34 | KarlKFI | myself? |
| 04:56.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ! penny arcade gif theory comic |
| 04:56.40 | KarlKFI | it's an adrenaline rush |
| 04:56.42 | ScytheBlade1 | !g penny arcade gif theory comic |
| 04:56.43 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Penny Arcade! - Green Blackboards (And Other Anomalies) <http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/> |
| 04:56.52 | ScytheBlade1 | only applied to cars! |
| 04:56.54 | Wobin | karlKFI and if you impress yourself with your reckless driving, then that's all well and good |
| 04:57.04 | KarlKFI | exactly! |
| 04:57.07 | Wobin | but in reality, you're a dick =P |
| 04:57.10 | Wobin | a small one =P |
| 04:57.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:57.44 | KarlKFI | that's not what SHE said |
| 04:57.46 | Wobin | cause there's no excuse for reckless driving |
| 04:57.57 | Wobin | oh that's totally what she said |
| 04:58.04 | Wobin | she just didn't want to make you feel bad |
| 04:58.09 | Wobin | cause she felt sorry for you =( |
| 04:58.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ololol |
| 04:58.17 | KarlKFI | lol |
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| 04:58.24 | KarlKFI | wobin's jealous |
| 04:58.32 | KarlKFI | he wants a small dick too |
| 04:58.38 | Wobin | isn't that the new trend? |
| 04:58.56 | KarlKFI | you tell me, you're the one handing them out |
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| 04:59.29 | Wobin | looks at his bag of cocks |
| 04:59.55 | ScytheBlade1 | wait, what? |
| 04:59.56 | KarlKFI | Detachable Penis |
| 04:59.57 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 05:01.04 | KarlKFI | http://www.google.com/url?q=http://popup.lala.com/popup/360569479532610670&ei=b_dsS6j0JYusswPi9-GxDQ&sa=X&oi=music_play_track&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=2&ved=0CAgQ0wQoADAA&usg=AFQjCNEDkmkHXMDkfCoD61KBJojbtVDqug |
| 05:01.13 | ScytheBlade1 | kind of related. driving to work at 4:30 am down the freeway, 15 over. then the entire freeway goes red and grees |
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| 05:01.30 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid massive LED sign going schitzo :P |
| 05:01.56 | Thunder_Child | this reminds me of the buttplug conversation we had a while back |
| 05:02.05 | DWSR | O_O |
| 05:02.12 | ScytheBlade1 | made me jump, thought it was a cop |
| 05:02.17 | DWSR | What the fuck? |
| 05:02.36 | ScytheBlade1 | DWSR: me? |
| 05:02.56 | DWSR | No T_C. |
| 05:02.59 | ScytheBlade1 | err, red and blue |
| 05:02.59 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
| 05:03.01 | ScytheBlade1 | and ah |
| 05:03.19 | Thunder_Child | and by a while back i mean like a year + |
| 05:03.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no idea what he is talking about, so I just ignore him |
| 05:03.30 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 05:03.37 | Thunder_Child | lies ScytheBlade1, you were here |
| 05:03.40 | Thunder_Child | as were you KarlKFI |
| 05:03.48 | ScytheBlade1 | probably |
| 05:03.58 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: RA3? |
| 05:04.01 | ScytheBlade1 | doesn't mean I remember it |
| 05:04.02 | KarlKFI | i plead the 5th |
| 05:04.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: bad timing. stuck on my phone atm |
| 05:04.27 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 05:04.30 | DWSR | Ok |
| 05:04.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 05:04.35 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: |
| 05:04.38 | DWSR | krka |
| 05:06.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: I should straighten out my EA ID though, I have no idea what it is |
| 05:07.36 | DWSR | I'm building a framework for a rotation helper addon, similar to Ovale. should I add a way to detect AoE situations |
| 05:07.50 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: no worries |
| 05:08.09 | ScytheBlade1 | eh, it is something to do on my phone |
| 05:11.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ha lol |
| 05:11.40 | ScytheBlade1 | got it, win |
| 05:11.49 | DWSR | If someone released an addon under the GPLv3, can I clone it without asking? |
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| 05:12.24 | Shirik | clone? |
| 05:12.26 | Wobin | DWSR, I probably wouldn't bother with aoe situations |
| 05:12.38 | DWSR | Shirik: Yes. Like clone the repository. |
| 05:12.41 | Shirik | sure |
| 05:12.48 | DWSR | Essentially forking the addon. |
| 05:12.54 | Wobin | DWSR, if they don't know how to handle aoe safely, they may as well single target for full dps |
| 05:13.07 | DWSR | Wobin: Well, I'm thinking for something like DK aoe DPS. |
| 05:13.18 | DWSR | Which is more than "Spam Blizzard" |
| 05:13.18 | Wobin | eh |
| 05:13.36 | DWSR | Or, alternatively, just disabling the suggestions entirely when AoE is detected. |
| 05:13.38 | Wobin | for me that's "Wait for either bloodboil, HB or try to spread diseases" |
| 05:13.49 | DWSR | Wobin: Glyph your blood boil. |
| 05:13.50 | DWSR | err. |
| 05:13.52 | DWSR | HB* |
| 05:13.57 | Wobin | I have |
| 05:14.08 | DWSR | Shirik: What does the GPL say about derived works? |
| 05:14.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: you have it on steam? |
| 05:14.15 | Wobin | doesn't mean you can't spread Plaguestrike for more dps |
| 05:14.20 | Shirik | it says derived works = win |
| 05:14.36 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: no |
| 05:14.56 | Thunder_Child | i pre-ordered through EA when it came out for some of the codes |
| 05:15.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: good luck patching it properly then.. I have yet to figure out how to get a patch from them |
| 05:15.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I am on steam, so I'm good |
| 05:15.31 | DWSR | Shirik: Can I do them without asking the author? |
| 05:15.37 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: i am fully patched |
| 05:15.49 | ScytheBlade1 | DWSR: yes, pending name change |
| 05:15.54 | Shirik | sure DWSR |
| 05:15.58 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: i dont patch through EA or the game |
| 05:16.03 | Shirik | as soon as they put it under the GPL they authorized you to do that |
| 05:16.06 | ScytheBlade1 | oh? |
| 05:16.07 | DWSR | Cool. Fuck this author then. |
| 05:16.19 | DWSR | "No, don't fork my addons." |
| 05:16.23 | Shirik | You only have to do two things (overgeneralized) |
| 05:16.37 | DWSR | Make sure it's a different name and attribute the original work to him? |
| 05:16.45 | Shirik | 1. Attribute the original work, yes |
| 05:17.16 | Shirik | 2. It doesn't need to be a different name, but it does have to identify what changes you've made (the basic reasoning for this is so any problems you make aren't attributed to him) |
| 05:17.22 | DWSR | right |
| 05:17.27 | DWSR | I planned to have that anyway. |
| 05:17.38 | Shirik | and of course you have to release it under the GPL |
| 05:17.43 | ScytheBlade1 | well |
| 05:17.53 | ScytheBlade1 | license says nothing about name |
| 05:17.59 | ScytheBlade1 | copyright does |
| 05:18.04 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, it's generally considered nice to ask the person, but it's also considered nice to accept. and there's no requirement to do so, so |
| 05:18.26 | ScytheBlade1 | so change the name :P |
| 05:18.26 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Well, I'm just going to let him know that I'll be using his addon for "inspiration", and not plainly forking the code. |
| 05:18.26 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I don't think you can copyright a name |
| 05:18.44 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Even though he said no to a straight fork. |
| 05:18.52 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, fuck him then |
| 05:18.56 | ScytheBlade1 | DWSR: yes, you can |
| 05:19.09 | ZorbaTHut | you're legally permitted to leave him a message saying "HA HA FORKIN' YOUR CODEBASE BITCH" and there is nothing he can do about it. |
| 05:19.20 | ZorbaTHut | (fork you, man) |
| 05:19.20 | DWSR | Here's a stacktrace. |
| 05:19.22 | ZorbaTHut | (fork. you.) |
| 05:19.32 | DWSR | I'm actually writing that in my message. |
| 05:19.37 | DWSR | And yeah, forking the code ftw. |
| 05:19.41 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:19.42 | DWSR | Reinventing the wheel sucks donkey dick. |
| 05:20.02 | ScytheBlade1 | what addon? |
| 05:20.12 | DWSR | Destruction for Dummies. |
| 05:20.25 | DWSR | It's a rotation helper addon. |
| 05:20.32 | ScytheBlade1 | never heard of it |
| 05:20.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 05:20.34 | DWSR | However, instead of being hardcoded to a specific class or tree, it's a framework. |
| 05:20.39 | ScytheBlade1 | warlock addon? |
| 05:20.48 | DWSR | And basically allows you to write your own rotations. |
| 05:20.59 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 05:21.02 | DWSR | However, the fucking idiot requires you to use a goddamned custom written flex parser. |
| 05:21.15 | DWSR | In order to author new rotations. |
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| 05:23.20 | Wobin | http://community.livejournal.com/food_porn/5686565.html?style=mine#cutid1 |
| 05:23.24 | Wobin | woah, that looks epic |
| 05:23.52 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, I'd recommend making a backup of any evidence that it's been released under the GPL |
| 05:24.01 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: It's on Curse. |
| 05:24.13 | DWSR | Can he even change the license? |
| 05:24.18 | ZorbaTHut | yes, and when he changes the license to All Rights Reserved, then it won't be anymore |
| 05:24.20 | ZorbaTHut | yes, he can |
| 05:24.33 | DWSR | How would I go about making a backup of it then? Screenshot probably won't cut it. |
| 05:24.34 | ZorbaTHut | (I did it to QH, which used to be under LGPL :P) |
| 05:25.05 | ZorbaTHut | I'd just save a copy of the page. It's insurance - it'd turn into your word against his, but that little bit of "evidence" might help |
| 05:25.09 | ScytheBlade1 | DWSR: sign an archive? |
| 05:25.12 | ZorbaTHut | plus, I've looked at the page and observed it now, so |
| 05:25.30 | DWSR | SB1: GPL's not in there. |
| 05:25.57 | ScytheBlade1 | save a copy of the page and zip+sign that, imo |
| 05:26.34 | Thunder_Child | does curse keep archived pages? |
| 05:28.48 | DWSR | Alright. |
| 05:28.50 | DWSR | Signed an archive. |
| 05:28.57 | DWSR | Someone keep a spare copy of this for me please? |
| 05:29.59 | DWSR | http://www.mediafire.com/?zmmzm1ezmzz <-- |
| 05:30.45 | DWSR | Actually, I gues uploading that somewhere works well enough |
| 05:30.52 | ScytheBlade1 | can't copy that url on my droid :/ |
| 05:31.00 | Wobin | ... awesome |
| 05:31.01 | Wobin | There is a word in Latin that means "full of rabbits". |
| 05:31.07 | ScytheBlade1 | in any case, sleep |
| 05:31.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: tomorrow? I'm working from 10 to 1, but other than that I should be around |
| 05:32.27 | DWSR | Well, since you released your addon under the GPLv3, I was hoping that you'd accept a polite request for a fork. However, even though you've said no, I'm using a few sections of code from your addon, mostly to stop myself from reinventing the wheel wherever it's not advantageous to do so. |
| 05:32.30 | DWSR | think I was a bit rude? |
| 05:33.43 | ScytheBlade1 | who knows! |
| 05:33.45 | ScytheBlade1 | afk |
| 05:34.07 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: |
| 05:35.37 | ZorbaTHut | eh, I'm fine with that. |
| 05:35.46 | ZorbaTHut | although I am perhaps not the right person to be asking about social niceties. |
| 05:36.10 | DWSR | As long as the response you gave me wasn't "Dude, you were an asshole", I really don't care that much |
| 05:36.20 | DWSR | If I cared about pissing him off, I probably wouldn't be doing what I'm doing. |
| 05:36.44 | DWSR | I signed and locked a RAR of his latest release and a printout of the page at the time of authoring. |
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| 05:44.23 | Arrowmaster | so the page says gpl but it does not include a copy of the gpl or have any indication of license inside the zip |
| 05:44.26 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 05:44.39 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: no can do , i am playing BFG all day tomorrow, however i am free sunday. |
| 05:45.22 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Correct. Isn't that a breach of the GPL?\ |
| 05:45.30 | Arrowmaster | yes i believe so |
| 05:46.36 | Arrowmaster | if curse actually had an active developer on curseforge/wowace i would bug them for some automated checks on license stuff |
| 05:48.51 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: You would think that it would automatically add the GPL to all of the archives. |
| 05:48.58 | DWSR | Since this developers using Curseforge |
| 05:49.36 | Nechckn | What is the default license for CF? |
| 05:49.46 | DWSR | No idea. |
| 05:49.53 | ZorbaTHut | technically, it's only a breach of the GPL if he's using someone else's GPL-licensed code |
| 05:50.08 | ZorbaTHut | if he wrote the code himself, he's allowed to do whatever he damn well pleases with it |
| 05:50.20 | Nechckn | Cause they spell out their own "license" pretty clearly in the readme |
| 05:50.42 | Arrowmaster | like me to the project? |
| 05:50.45 | Arrowmaster | link |
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| 05:51.31 | DWSR | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/destruction-dummies/ |
| 05:52.31 | DWSR | The Curseforge page links to the license. |
| 05:52.36 | DWSR | the Curse.com page does not. |
| 05:54.45 | Arrowmaster | (cd $(ADDON_NAME); make clean; rm -rf CVS */CVS) |
| 05:54.48 | Arrowmaster | facepalms |
| 05:55.17 | Arrowmaster | seriously who the fuck still uses CVS on anything thats not been around for fucking ever |
| 05:55.37 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Curseforge supports multiple repo types. |
| 05:55.44 | DWSR | So you can use git. |
| 05:55.45 | kd3 | grr |
| 05:55.47 | Arrowmaster | i know and CVS isnt one of them |
| 05:56.29 | kd3 | regex folks- how do I match '}}' so that I don''t match the string '}}</onlyinclude>'? |
| 05:56.43 | DWSR | kd3: Is }} at the end of the string? |
| 05:56.47 | kd3 | maybe |
| 05:56.53 | kd3 | $ isn't working like I want it to |
| 05:57.00 | Arrowmaster | what kinda regex? pcre? |
| 05:57.04 | Xinhuan | }}[^<] ? |
| 05:57.05 | DWSR | What's your current expression and what flavour are you in?" |
| 05:57.28 | kd3 | python, r'^\}\}[^<]?' |
| 05:57.37 | DWSR | Python uses PCRe, right? |
| 05:57.41 | kd3 | ya |
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| 05:57.58 | DWSR | }}[^<] |
| 05:58.09 | DWSR | Dunno why you're using ? after [^<] |
| 05:58.15 | Arrowmaster | }}(?!</onlyinclude>) |
| 05:58.16 | kd3 | oh, one other condition, it can't chomp any other characters after the }} |
| 05:58.20 | Arrowmaster | i dont know the escaping |
| 05:58.30 | kd3 | so }}_ is ok, for example |
| 05:58.36 | kd3 | and it'd have to match with the _ |
| 05:58.43 | DWSR | <kd3>: Oh. |
| 05:58.45 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0tiT7KlACM |
| 05:58.45 | kd3 | er, not mess with the _ |
| 05:59.22 | Arrowmaster | }}(?![%s_]</onlyinclude>) |
| 05:59.29 | Arrowmaster | }}(?![%s_]*</onlyinclude>) |
| 05:59.36 | Wobin | Shirik, that's one pissed off cat |
| 05:59.42 | Shirik | yes it is |
| 05:59.46 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: ?: |
| 05:59.52 | DWSR | Don't need a capture group there. |
| 06:00.11 | Arrowmaster | thats not a capture group |
| 06:00.38 | Arrowmaster | its a look ahead |
| 06:01.25 | DWSR | A negative lookahead? |
| 06:01.28 | Shirik | correct |
| 06:01.38 | DWSR | Yeah, that ought to work, then |
| 06:01.56 | kd3 | bingo. thanks |
| 06:02.09 | DWSR | What's %s_/ |
| 06:02.13 | DWSR | %s_?* |
| 06:02.16 | Shirik | Regex of awesomeness: (?:([asdfghjkl;])(?!\1)\s*){30}) |
| 06:02.20 | Shirik | Also negative lookahead |
| 06:02.49 | Arrowmaster | he said something about it should allow _ between them and i figured whitespace was also allowed |
| 06:02.53 | Shirik | yeah Arrowmaster I think %s should be \s |
| 06:02.57 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 06:03.02 | Arrowmaster | k |
| 06:03.09 | DWSR | You're in the wrong flavour of regex. |
| 06:03.17 | Shirik | I do it all the time too :/ |
| 06:03.19 | Arrowmaster | i never actually use regex |
| 06:03.22 | Arrowmaster | i just know it |
| 06:03.50 | DWSR | I would have just made it match . but not </onlyinclude> |
| 06:04.23 | Arrowmaster | ok i guess i do use it but never complex stuff just simple crap |
| 06:04.34 | Arrowmaster | rename "s/_/ /g" * |
| 06:04.42 | Arrowmaster | like that |
| 06:04.50 | Arrowmaster | i use that a lot |
| 06:05.18 | DWSR | s/_*/ /g |
| 06:05.20 | DWSR | kthx. |
| 06:05.25 | Adys | http://www.journaldugeek.com/2010/02/05/des-cerveaux-a-lapero/ |
| 06:05.53 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: no mine is correct |
| 06:06.27 | DWSR | So is mine. |
| 06:06.33 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 06:06.35 | DWSR | Yes it is. |
| 06:06.42 | DWSR | * is 1 or more. |
| 06:06.52 | Arrowmaster | + is 1 or more |
| 06:06.56 | Corrodias | Adys: the lap cervix? |
| 06:06.57 | Arrowmaster | * is 0 or more |
| 06:06.59 | DWSR | Oh, right. |
| 06:07.00 | DWSR | Sorry. |
| 06:07.02 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 06:07.13 | Arrowmaster | plus i dont want it to match 1 or more i want it to match 1 |
| 06:15.03 | Shirik | omg Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcxhOGyrCtI&NR=1&feature=fvwp |
| 06:16.07 | DWSR | LULZ |
| 06:16.21 | DWSR | DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN meow. |
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| 06:17.12 | Shirik | is there a .... lookbehind? |
| 06:17.12 | DWSR | yes. |
| 06:17.12 | DWSR | ?= |
| 06:17.58 | Shirik | isn't that lookahead? |
| 06:18.13 | DWSR | no |
| 06:18.16 | DWSR | Lookahead is ?! |
| 06:18.19 | DWSR | Lookbehind is ?= |
| 06:18.25 | Arrowmaster | seriously get a fucking nix system or vm and read man pages |
| 06:18.31 | DWSR | www.regular-expressions.info |
| 06:18.33 | DWSR | Best site ever. |
| 06:18.59 | Cairenn | rofl, vicious attack kitteh! be careful or you will be RUBBED! |
| 06:19.02 | Shirik | ?! is negative lookahead |
| 06:19.07 | Shirik | ?= is positive lookahead |
| 06:19.22 | Shirik | ?<= and ?<! are lookbehind |
| 06:19.49 | DWSR | What's the difference between a negative lookahead and a positive lookbehind |
| 06:20.00 | DWSR | It sounds like a resounding "not much" |
| 06:20.04 | Arrowmaster | what gets matched |
| 06:20.38 | Shirik | Here's my problem: I want to match an email address EXCEPT when it is immediately preceded by something |
| 06:20.59 | Shirik | lookahead can't really do that, or at least my head can't wrap around that |
| 06:21.14 | DWSR | negative lookahead. |
| 06:21.34 | Shirik | what am I looking for? |
| 06:21.53 | DWSR | from what I'm gleaning |
| 06:22.17 | DWSR | Negative lookahead would match the e-mail address, then look to see if what's preceding it is what you want. |
| 06:23.07 | Shirik | but I do want the email address |
| 06:23.26 | kd3 | then you want a lookbehind |
| 06:24.30 | Cairenn | all these lookaheads and lookbehinds .... are they anything like reacharounds? |
| 06:24.35 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:24.46 | kd3 | was wondering who was going to fall in the gutter tonight... |
| 06:25.05 | Cairenn | flutters her lashes innocently |
| 06:25.08 | Shirik | I think I got it |
| 06:25.12 | Shirik | (?<!Image:)(\b[^\s\]\[\{\}\\\|^\/`<>@:\"']+@\w+(?!\.htm)(?:\.\w+){1,3}) |
| 06:25.24 | Shirik | Ignoring the fact that that's not a perfect email address regex |
| 06:25.32 | Shirik | the \b is what was missing |
| 06:25.45 | Arrowmaster | thats an email address regex? |
| 06:25.55 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 06:26.28 | Shirik | well |
| 06:26.36 | Shirik | it's more of a "candidates for email address" regex |
| 06:26.43 | Arrowmaster | actually that regex is wrong and wont match some valid email addresses |
| 06:26.50 | Shirik | like I said, ignore that it's perfect |
| 06:26.57 | Shirik | what's important is that it's easy and fast, not perfect |
| 06:27.04 | Shirik | it should work for 99% of cases |
| 06:27.54 | DWSR | I was thinking like.... [\w\d_]+@(?:\w+.?)+[\w]{2,4} |
| 06:28.09 | Arrowmaster | also wrong |
| 06:29.10 | Shirik | the correct one is like |
| 06:29.14 | Shirik | 200 lines long |
| 06:29.18 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:29.30 | DWSR | http://gskinner.com/RegExr/ |
| 06:29.34 | Arrowmaster | (?:[a-z0-9!#$%&'*+/=?^_`{|}~-]+(?:\.[a-z0-9!#$%&'*+/=?^_`{|}~-]+)*|"(?:[\x01-\x08\x0b\x0c\x0e-\x1f\x21\x23-\x5b\x5d-\x7f]|\\[\x01-\x09\x0b\x0c\x0e-\x7f])*")@(?:(?:[a-z0-9](?:[a-z0-9-]*[a-z0-9])?\.)+[a-z0-9](?:[a-z0-9-]*[a-z0-9])?|\[(?:(?:25[0-5]|2[0-4][0-9]|[01]?[0-9][0-9]?)\.){3}(?:25[0-5]|2[0-4][0-9]|[01]?[0-9][0-9]?|[a-z0-9-]*[a-z0-9]:(?:[\x01-\x08\x0b\x0c\x0e-\x1f\x21-\x5a\x53-\x7f]|\\[\x01-\x09\x0b\ |
| 06:29.40 | Arrowmaster | x0c\x0e-\x7f])+)\]) |
| 06:30.22 | DWSR | ([\w-\.]+)@((?:[\w]+\.)+)([a-zA-Z]{2,4})\be(\w*)s\b |
| 06:30.22 | Shirik | also wrong |
| 06:30.40 | DWSR | though, that one doesn't use _ |
| 06:30.44 | DWSR | But that's an easy fix. |
| 06:30.59 | Shirik | Correct: http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html |
| 06:31.34 | Arrowmaster | i posted the RFC 2822 one |
| 06:31.49 | kd3 | I uh |
| 06:31.50 | kd3 | winces |
| 06:31.56 | DWSR | Shirik: That's insane. |
| 06:32.07 | DWSR | Also, there's got to be some way to optimize that |
| 06:32.14 | Arrowmaster | there is |
| 06:32.16 | Arrowmaster | i posted it |
| 06:32.31 | Shirik | waaaaaaaaat Compilation failed: lookbehind assertion is not fixed length at offset 18 |
| 06:32.35 | Arrowmaster | 822 is obsoleted by 2822 |
| 06:32.42 | Shirik | you can't have lookbehinds with variable length? |
| 06:34.57 | DWSR | Shirik: You using PCRE? |
| 06:36.13 | Shirik | yes, via PHP |
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| 06:40.51 | DWSR | WTB OpenSearch support on Wowprogramming |
| 06:41.02 | Wobin | as my font renders \ as the yen symbol |
| 06:41.08 | Wobin | that looks fucking weird |
| 06:41.30 | kd3 | what the hell kind of font are you using? |
| 06:41.39 | DWSR | Wobin: That's a locale setting. |
| 06:41.59 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: get a font editor and change it |
| 06:42.24 | DWSR | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/HasPetUI <-- If I do return HasPetUI();, will it return 1nil or an array? |
| 06:43.19 | Arrowmaster | lua> return (function() return 1, 1 end)() |
| 06:43.22 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 1, 1 |
| 06:43.31 | Arrowmaster | answer your question? |
| 06:43.35 | DWSR | mhm |
| 06:43.36 | DWSR | sigh |
| 06:43.56 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhf8q3THToI&feature=related |
| 06:44.00 | Adys | it's funny |
| 06:46.15 | DWSR | How does HasPetUI() function when, say, a hunter or unholy DK is mounted? |
| 06:47.06 | A-KO | http://snowpocalypsedc.com/ |
| 06:47.08 | A-KO | lol |
| 06:47.25 | kd3 | lmao |
| 06:47.40 | A-KO | we are getting some mad snow around these parts |
| 06:47.41 | A-KO | it's pretty insane |
| 06:47.49 | kd3 | my friend called me a few hours ago. the call lasted 3 seconds: ''2 feet of snow!' |
| 06:47.57 | DWSR | pft |
| 06:48.00 | DWSR | light dusting. |
| 06:48.04 | Dagmar | Geez |
| 06:48.16 | Dagmar | I barely knew what to do with the 8 inches that fell here |
| 06:48.50 | kd3 | I can't even imagine. atlanta all but died with the 1-2 inches we got a few weeks ago... 2 feet? |
| 06:48.56 | DWSR | lulz |
| 06:48.59 | DWSR | as I said, light dusting. |
| 06:49.06 | DWSR | You know what we do with 2 feet of snow? |
| 06:49.10 | DWSR | We go outside and play in it. |
| 06:49.14 | Dagmar | Well, the good news is if you fall down in it, it doesn't hurt a bit |
| 06:49.25 | DWSR | Dagmar: That depends. |
| 06:49.27 | DWSR | If it's fresh, no. |
| 06:49.36 | Dagmar | Obviously. |
| 06:49.40 | DWSR | If it's been a few days and it warmed up, then froze, then warmed up, then froze. |
| 06:49.41 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 06:49.41 | Arrowmaster | do i want to know what that site is trying to do using ssl? |
| 06:49.42 | DWSR | It hurts. |
| 06:49.43 | DWSR | A lot. |
| 06:49.59 | DWSR | Mostly because then you're falling on ice. |
| 06:50.04 | kd3 | whoever did it just copied someone else's js analytics tag |
| 06:50.18 | DWSR | Anyway, I'll ttyl. SLEEEPPEPEPEPEPEPEPEPEPEPEPEPEP |
| 06:50.20 | DWSR | *gone* |
| 06:52.25 | Adys | Ok. I just missed this kill...again. I can NOT do anything to bring her into Melee range with my rogue! I've tried what everyone says: tag her, snowfall to ground, kite her backwards and eventually she'll get low enough. I can never get her low enough. I just pulled her, died, pulled her, died pulled her, died, rez'ed to find a DK got her. |
| 06:52.31 | Adys | in time like these, I love my mage |
| 06:53.05 | Adys | when you see the most op class ingame cry its dearest tears out |
| 06:56.41 | Dagmar | falls over laughing |
| 07:03.13 | ZorbaTHut | adys, who're you trying to kill? |
| 07:06.16 | Adys | its a comment |
| 07:06.17 | Adys | on vyragosa |
| 07:07.32 | Adys | and its not mine :P |
| 07:07.39 | ZorbaTHut | ah right |
| 07:07.47 | ZorbaTHut | yeah vyragosa is kind of a bitch for melee classes :P |
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| 08:13.35 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/sinfest/3417/20100206.gif |
| 08:20.09 | smcn | i just noticed miranda's camel toe |
| 08:20.22 | Corrodias | who? |
| 08:22.06 | smcn | mass effect 2 |
| 08:22.14 | Corrodias | ah |
| 08:29.02 | mikma | ~wowalert |
| 08:29.03 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 08:39.47 | bleeter | lolol http://labs.ripe.net/content/pollution-18 |
| 08:39.59 | Shirik | I swear to god I'm going to murder google for this new "feature" |
| 08:40.10 | Shirik | It's going to make me go to firefox |
| 08:40.14 | Thunder_Child | smcn: ya, i was kinda surprised about that |
| 08:41.13 | Shirik | mikma: wtf |
| 08:41.34 | mikma | shirik: ftw |
| 08:41.40 | nevcairiel | what feature Shirik? |
| 08:41.54 | Shirik | I don't really exactly know WHAT the feature is |
| 08:41.58 | Shirik | I know what it does |
| 08:42.10 | Shirik | When I copy text from somewhere into a textarea, it retains the formatting |
| 08:42.19 | Shirik | if I copy from the browser address bar, for example, it formats it into a link |
| 08:42.33 | Shirik | it still gets POSTED as plain text, but it formats it into a link, or bold, or whatever you copied it from |
| 08:42.53 | nevcairiel | I hate apps that do that, at least in office i can click the button to only keep the text and not the formatting |
| 08:42.58 | Shirik | Now here's the wonderful part: It also strips ALL newlines from the ENTIRE textarea, except any newlines that were there when it was first put in |
| 08:43.02 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: do you mean chrome? |
| 08:43.08 | nevcairiel | althought it could be the editbox you are pasting in |
| 08:43.11 | Thunder_Child | because google != FF |
| 08:43.20 | Shirik | re-read? |
| 08:43.23 | Shirik | (03:39:03) (@Shirik) It's going to make me go to firefox |
| 08:43.40 | Thunder_Child | "<Shirik> I swear to god I'm going to murder google for this new "feature"" |
| 08:43.45 | Shirik | yes |
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| 08:43.48 | nevcairiel | it could really be some JS shit in the editbox that parses richtext from the clipboard |
| 08:43.54 | Shirik | google's misfeature is going to make me switch to firefox |
| 08:43.57 | Thunder_Child | let me restate, google != FF |
| 08:44.04 | nevcairiel | instead of only accepting plaintext |
| 08:44.12 | Thunder_Child | google the company, the site, the what? |
| 08:44.22 | Shirik | google made the feature, for chrome |
| 08:44.50 | Thunder_Child | so chromes misfeature is going to make you switch to FF, got it |
| 08:44.55 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:45.10 | Shirik | bleeter: interesting |
| 08:45.51 | Thunder_Child | chrome dowesnt seem to do that for me |
| 08:46.09 | nevcairiel | i bet its the editbox he has been pasting into |
| 08:46.16 | Thunder_Child | does not* |
| 08:46.21 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 08:46.43 | Shirik | what version, Thunder_Child? |
| 08:47.05 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: 4.0.249.78 beta (36714) |
| 08:47.18 | Shirik | beta? |
| 08:47.22 | nevcairiel | shirik is probably on 5 |
| 08:47.24 | Thunder_Child | yes, beta |
| 08:47.25 | Shirik | That's the current version :/ |
| 08:47.32 | Shirik | what's the difference? |
| 08:47.47 | Thunder_Child | extensions i think |
| 08:47.54 | Thunder_Child | unless they put them in release |
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| 08:51.05 | Shirik | bleh |
| 08:51.07 | Shirik | you guys are right |
| 08:51.15 | Shirik | I bow once again to the almighty google |
| 08:51.17 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VPT#Edit_box_.26_monospace_style_changes |
| 08:51.18 | Shirik | is what it was |
| 08:51.37 | Shirik | specifically, Bug 22401 Line breaks are removed at preview or save. |
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| 09:23.24 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 09:23.26 | Fisker | i kill you |
| 09:23.49 | Shirik | nope |
| 09:23.50 | Shirik | I'm still here |
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| 09:47.05 | Shirik | night Fisker |
| 09:47.09 | Shirik | I will kill you in your sleep |
| 09:50.08 | Fisker | ok |
| 09:50.09 | Fisker | i love you |
| 09:51.26 | olafski | argh they should punish people for not clicking accept when the dungeon invite pops up |
| 09:52.43 | Fisker | i should punish you |
| 10:01.13 | ZorbaTHut | they do, they have to go through the queue again |
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| 10:02.41 | Fisker | no ZorbaTHut |
| 10:02.45 | Fisker | they should slit their throats |
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| 10:11.28 | olafski | zorbathut: sure but even though I'm a tank I generally have to wait like 2 minutes for people to accept :( |
| 10:12.08 | olafski | for healers/tanks having to go through the queue isn't much of a punishment.. though it is indeed usually the dps who are slacking |
| 10:14.00 | Kaso | i missed the start of this conversation, but yeah, dps always end up going afk in the queue |
| 10:14.09 | Kaso | i <3 my tank for the queue length |
| 10:22.16 | olafski | the start was me complaining that there's always someone who doesn't accept the invite |
| 10:24.03 | Fisker | olafski's in the air |
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| 10:24.29 | Kaso | its frustrating but i understand from there perspective |
| 10:24.40 | Kaso | theyve clearly been sat there waiting for half an hour or something ;p |
| 10:25.41 | shifuimam | is there a function in lua to ensure that a variable is an integer and not a string or something else? |
| 10:25.54 | Kaso | type() |
| 10:25.57 | ZorbaTHut | type(variable) == "number" |
| 10:26.04 | olafski | yeah I understand too :P |
| 10:26.04 | Kaso | or tonumber() or tostring() if you want to convert |
| 10:26.31 | shifuimam | is there a difference between type= and tonumber()"? |
| 10:26.49 | Kaso | tonumber converts it to a number, and leaves you with nil if it is not valid |
| 10:26.56 | Kaso | type tells you what it is currently |
| 10:27.00 | shifuimam | okay |
| 10:27.04 | Kaso | type("10")=="string" |
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| 10:27.22 | Kaso | typet(number(("10"))=="number" |
| 10:27.57 | Kaso | wait failed that one badly |
| 10:28.04 | shifuimam | well this makes no sense. this variable's value is 60 but tonumber() makes it nil |
| 10:29.15 | Kaso | You'd have to give some more context for us to work out what's going there. |
| 10:30.05 | shifuimam | well, i'm working in RoM not WoW, just for context, but the Lua should be the same in this case. i'm pulling a value from the user's global variables file and converting it, because it's stored as a percentage (for alpha transparency) |
| 10:30.11 | shifuimam | e.g. converting 60 to 0.06 |
| 10:30.31 | shifuimam | or 0.6...clearly i can't do math |
| 10:30.47 | Kaso | is there a trailing % sign? |
| 10:30.51 | shifuimam | noe |
| 10:31.01 | shifuimam | ["alpha"] = 60, |
| 10:31.06 | shifuimam | that is exactly how it looks in the global varialbes file |
| 10:32.52 | shifuimam | this is my lua: http://pastebin.com/m4afedf4b |
| 10:34.28 | Kaso | are you just loadfile'ing the file that contains g_AreaMapConfig? |
| 10:35.03 | shifuimam | it's actually part of the game's API...SaveVariables("g_AreaMapConfig") loads that variable array from the global variables file |
| 10:35.27 | shifuimam | but i am loading that when the addon loads |
| 10:35.55 | Kaso | Well im not sure really |
| 10:35.57 | Kaso | however |
| 10:36.06 | Kaso | i think i just spotted your problem |
| 10:36.09 | shifuimam | ? |
| 10:36.22 | Kaso | i presume you're later trying to use the variable alf and finding it to be nil? |
| 10:36.28 | shifuimam | yep |
| 10:36.37 | shifuimam | alf is coming up as nil now....it wasn't before so i'm not entirely sure what i did to break it |
| 10:36.48 | shifuimam | e.g. it wasn't yesterday when i was working on this |
| 10:36.49 | Kaso | the problem is your scope on the variable |
| 10:36.56 | Kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_variable_scoping |
| 10:37.05 | Kaso | that article should sort your out |
| 10:37.23 | shifuimam | even if i'm using the variable in the same function i create it? |
| 10:37.36 | Kaso | the variable is currently local to the if block |
| 10:37.44 | shifuimam | hm |
| 10:37.44 | shifuimam | ok |
| 10:38.08 | Kaso | if you move the local alf; declaration above the if block you should be fine |
| 10:38.21 | shifuimam | yeah i'm trying that now |
| 10:39.24 | shifuimam | hooray, that worked! thanks!! |
| 10:40.04 | Kaso | no worries ;p |
| 10:40.09 | Kaso | i feel dumb i didnt spot it before |
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| 13:24.38 | cbreak | http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3438 |
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| 13:27.51 | cbreak | http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3428! :) |
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| 13:38.44 | Kaso | Is there a way to get the faction (kirin tor, etc) of a unit without tooltip scanning? |
| 13:42.47 | Arrowmaster | !api unitfaction |
| 13:42.47 | lua_bot | UnitFactionGroup: Returns a unit's primary faction allegiance (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitFactionGroup) |
| 13:43.02 | Kaso | that just returns Horde/Alliance doesnt it? |
| 13:43.14 | Arrowmaster | dont know |
| 13:43.58 | haste | yeh it does |
| 13:44.12 | Arrowmaster | if it doesnt have a faction in the tooltip its either horde or alliance but if it does have a faction it shouldnt be horde or alliance so i dont know what that returns |
| 13:44.46 | Kaso | appears to return nil for random kirin to vendor in dalaran at least |
| 13:46.51 | Kaso | UnitReaction does what I need anyway |
| 13:47.12 | Kaso | finding the faction was a long-route to finding whether i was exalted with them, so thats cool |
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| 13:57.03 | Adys | Kaso: if you turn on colorblind mode, I believe you can get the status in the tooltip |
| 13:57.19 | Adys | as second line |
| 13:57.58 | Kaso | I didn't really want to have to make a tooltip for the tiny thing i'm making (An indicator on vendor windows that reminds me my reputation with them) |
| 13:58.11 | Adys | ah |
| 13:58.11 | Kaso | UnitReaction("npc","player") does the job nicely |
| 13:58.23 | Adys | does it? |
| 13:58.29 | Adys | doesnt UnitReaction just return a boolean? |
| 13:58.36 | Adys | !api unitre |
| 13:58.37 | Kaso | nop numerical |
| 13:58.41 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'unitre': UnitReaction, UnitResistance |
| 13:58.43 | Adys | !api unitrea |
| 13:58.44 | lua_bot | UnitReaction: Returns the reaction of one unit with regards to another as a number (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitReaction) |
| 13:58.56 | Adys | neat |
| 13:59.21 | Kaso | yeah i didnt know about that either till i just spotted it |
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| 14:47.04 | Adys | Honest question |
| 14:47.25 | Adys | Who in here knew wireshark could watch over usb traffic with any sort of device? |
| 14:47.39 | ckknight | hmm |
| 14:47.40 | ckknight | I didn't |
| 14:47.42 | ckknight | that's cool |
| 14:48.03 | ckknight | do I still have to wait until lvl 74 get to Dalaran without requiring a portal? |
| 14:48.11 | Adys | yes |
| 14:48.55 | ckknight | k |
| 14:49.11 | mikma | wait what, you in wow? |
| 14:49.14 | mikma | lol lol lol penis. |
| 14:49.36 | ckknight | ... |
| 14:56.02 | Kaso | does wow do something like a luac -p before loading each lua file? and did it always do that. |
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| 14:56.47 | Kaso | Just had confusing addon that was causing no errors and not working, but it turns out it had the parse error in framexml.log. I thought that it only checked xml issues before loading |
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| 15:01.12 | mikma | http://www.filedropper.com/l4d2newhud -> http://www.omgot.com/forums/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=TYs_Pack_With_Out_Player_Skins.zip |
| 15:01.12 | Arrowmaster | what was the parse error? |
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| 15:06.45 | Fisker | cool Adys :o |
| 15:07.45 | Fisker | how? :3 |
| 15:08.55 | amro | ~lart Fisker |
| 15:08.55 | purl | drops a baby grand on Fisker |
| 15:09.08 | Fisker | :( |
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| 15:19.57 | FiskerRAGE | FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUU Lady's |
| 15:20.07 | mikma | haste: i agree. eargasm. |
| 15:20.17 | FiskerRAGE | Wtf auto complete |
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| 15:22.07 | Fisker | raeg |
| 15:22.25 | Fisker | lol wtf |
| 15:22.48 | Fisker | newest chrome dev release has google translate built in |
| 15:23.28 | mikma | lolz |
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| 15:33.53 | haste | mikma: waaa, really :p ? |
| 15:34.13 | Ancu | Hey guys, why would a pve blood dps dk take butchery? |
| 15:34.16 | mikma | haste: likey. |
| 15:34.19 | mikma | http://features.cgsociety.org/stories/2010_01/L4D2/page02_01.jpg |
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| 15:46.19 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV_AmslYqtk :D |
| 15:47.32 | olafski | ancu: why not? |
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| 16:00.01 | Glenjamin | hi guys, does anyone know how to get MSBT to fire up an notification when a target gets poisoned, but not spam me with more poisons on the same target? |
| 16:01.51 | Ancu | olafski: because it only helps you if you are pvp or not 80 right? It procs on killing xp and honer |
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| 16:18.49 | olafski | did you even read the full talent ancu? |
| 16:18.56 | olafski | and what else would they take, reduced damage when blood runes are on cd? |
| 16:19.22 | olafski | also, talents like that proc on pve kills even if you're 80 |
| 16:19.42 | olafski | the "gives xp" part only means you can't kill grey mobs to get it.. e.g. you can't kill critters in a raid to get some extra rp |
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| 16:37.08 | Ancu | olafski: ahhh, thankyou, it was the gives xp that threw me |
| 16:37.28 | Ancu | does anyone know where the traning dummys in dal are? |
| 16:37.35 | nevcairiel | there are none |
| 16:38.17 | olafski | ancu: but mobs giving xp hardly occur in raids anyway |
| 16:38.30 | olafski | it's the 2 RP per 5 seconds that makes that talent worth it |
| 16:38.36 | olafski | and the fact that there are no other useful tier 1 talents :P |
| 16:38.55 | Ancu | lol |
| 16:39.06 | Ancu | nevcairiel: ty |
| 16:39.29 | Ancu | Im trying to fix my moms toon, she has almost everything wrong, lol |
| 16:44.14 | Cruciformer | 'lo all. Is there a reliable way to tell when a raider goes offline or do I need to poll during an OnUpdate handler? |
| 16:46.48 | cbreak | check raid roster update |
| 16:46.57 | cbreak | wonder if it gets fired then |
| 16:47.58 | Cruciformer | you mean the R_R_U event? The documentation doesnt suggest it will but I'll try it |
| 16:48.46 | Cruciformer | Oh ... PARTY_MEMBER_DISABLE |
| 16:49.33 | Cruciformer | But that seems to only be for party members, not for any raid member ... sigh. |
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| 16:58.17 | Cruciformer | cbreak: looks like R_R_U does fire when a raider comes online / goes offline. Now the question is when that fires how do I check their online status |
| 17:01.40 | Glenjamin | hi guys, does anyone know how to get MSBT to fire up an notification when a target gets poisoned, but not spam me with more poisons on the same target? |
| 17:02.39 | Cruciformer | whats msbt? |
| 17:02.52 | Fisker | Mikk's (hoho) scrolling battle text |
| 17:02.58 | Fisker | or maybe mikord's |
| 17:04.50 | Glenjamin | yeah, Mik's |
| 17:05.06 | Glenjamin | i'm basically after something to tell me when i can start using mutilate |
| 17:05.26 | Cruciformer | cbreak: Turns out I have the info. When R_R_U fires I do a GetRaidRosterInfo() on each raider anyway, and the online status is one of the return values. |
| 17:06.31 | cbreak | note that WoW itself does not have accurate info |
| 17:06.38 | cbreak | I've seen myself go offline a few times |
| 17:06.53 | Fisker | btw nevcairiel |
| 17:06.56 | Cruciformer | heh |
| 17:07.02 | Fisker | when i open config i get a bazillion acelocale error |
| 17:07.03 | Fisker | s |
| 17:07.09 | nevcairiel | Fisker: yeah, i know :P |
| 17:07.11 | Cruciformer | thats OK I dont need 100% accuracy for my purposes. |
| 17:07.15 | nevcairiel | need to import the new locale |
| 17:07.17 | Fisker | and seriously |
| 17:07.19 | Fisker | I WANT SAMWISE! |
| 17:07.23 | Fisker | not that wow icon :( |
| 17:07.43 | nevcairiel | did they replace the samwise icon? |
| 17:07.50 | Fisker | naw |
| 17:08.03 | Fisker | but the unlocked castbar has a wow icon |
| 17:08.51 | shifuimam | ummm how do i upload a screenshot so that it shows up under "screenshots" on the addon's curse.com page? |
| 17:09.11 | shifuimam | oh wait there it is. nevermind. |
| 17:10.00 | Cruciformer | whats the command to get to luabot? |
| 17:10.31 | Cruciformer | lua> 1 and true or false |
| 17:10.32 | lua_bot | Cruciformer: true |
| 17:10.41 | Cruciformer | lua> nil and true or false |
| 17:10.41 | lua_bot | Cruciformer: false |
| 17:16.05 | Fisker | anyway nevcairiel optional global font/texture would be neat, and some kind of test stuff |
| 17:16.17 | nevcairiel | test stuff? |
| 17:17.16 | Fisker | yeah like adding mirror bars and such |
| 17:17.40 | nevcairiel | if you unlock a bar, you'll see it even when its not on |
| 17:18.17 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: since you're here and awake, do you have any plans to continue quartz, even just to update the toc? |
| 17:18.18 | Mikk | lua> print("lua>") |
| 17:18.21 | lua_bot | Mikk: lua> |
| 17:18.47 | Fisker | mirror bars doesn't have a lock since it's put on the player bar |
| 17:18.50 | Fisker | or however you can call it |
| 17:18.55 | Fisker | attached to the player bar |
| 17:18.58 | olafski | ancu: your mom plays a DK? that's cool |
| 17:19.09 | nevcairiel | oh |
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| 17:19.14 | Fisker | same with buff bars |
| 17:19.19 | nevcairiel | set it to "free" and it'll show up to unlock :P |
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| 17:20.15 | Fisker | NO GOOGLE CHROME I DO NOT WANT TO TRANSLATE THIS SITE |
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| 17:22.08 | nevcairiel | Cruciformer: i mostly rewrote it |
| 17:23.24 | Mr_Rabies | yeah the chrome translator extension seems to be suddenly pretty broken Fisker |
| 17:23.47 | Fisker | extension? |
| 17:23.50 | Fisker | it's built in now |
| 17:23.55 | Mr_Rabies | oh is it |
| 17:23.59 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:24.02 | Mr_Rabies | i think i installed it when it was an extension or something |
| 17:24.15 | Fisker | and i just want it to be permanently gone |
| 17:24.29 | Fisker | Instead of having to choose not to translate for every site i visit |
| 17:24.53 | Mr_Rabies | it's not built in for me |
| 17:24.56 | Fisker | If anything they should just give something similar to the Windows language bar in the URL, and clicking it will dropdown a translation menu |
| 17:24.59 | Mr_Rabies | hrmm |
| 17:25.04 | Mr_Rabies | i have it on my work pc |
| 17:25.05 | Fisker | it is on the newest dev release |
| 17:25.09 | Mr_Rabies | ah okay |
| 17:25.16 | Fisker | 5.0.317.2 |
| 17:25.16 | Mr_Rabies | but my home pc doesn't have it yet |
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| 17:30.03 | Thunder_Child | thats what you get for using dev Fisker, you only have yourself to blame |
| 17:30.21 | Fisker | nahuh |
| 17:30.36 | Thunder_Child | uhhuh |
| 17:30.48 | Fisker | stable releases always sucked :P |
| 17:31.00 | Thunder_Child | i guess that makes you a stable release |
| 17:31.09 | Fisker | ooooooh snap |
| 17:31.44 | Mr_Rabies | ice burn |
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| 17:42.33 | nevcairiel | does a warriors sword-spec-proc reset swing timer? |
| 17:44.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont blieve so |
| 17:44.47 | NightHawkTheSane | believe* |
| 17:45.40 | Cruciformer | I dont see a post date for the blizzard UI kit. Can I make the assumption that if I download it now, that it is the current client's framexml inside or do I need to extract the framexml stuff from the mpq files myself? |
| 17:46.06 | nevcairiel | the tool extracts the framexml from the game |
| 17:46.15 | nevcairiel | so it'll always be up2date |
| 17:46.48 | Cruciformer | well thats handy :) Thanks nevcairiel |
| 17:56.10 | Cairenn|afk | as long as you re-extract it after every patch |
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| 18:05.58 | Arrowmaster | make sure to redownload the tool every few patches though |
| 18:06.21 | Arrowmaster | in the past older versions stoped extracting from newer patches correctly |
| 18:06.29 | Fisker | i redownload you Arrowmaster |
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| 18:13.31 | Cloudwolf | Well time to go buy an authenticator now... |
| 18:13.47 | foxlit | moo? |
| 18:16.21 | shifuimam | looks for the cow |
| 18:17.06 | Cairenn | ~emulate Cairenn |
| 18:17.07 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 18:17.20 | Cloudwolf | hmmm.... i think i had a keylogger or i got bruteforced huzzah!... |
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| 18:18.02 | Cairenn | huggles Iriel |
| 18:18.32 | Iriel | Hola |
| 18:18.42 | Iriel | Wet and dreary day here |
| 18:18.43 | Nechckn | laments never being huggled onjoin. |
| 18:19.50 | Iriel | Nechckn: You shouldn't have had that porcupine surgically attached to your chest |
| 18:19.55 | Thunder_Child | piffle Iriel, it's wet but not dreary |
| 18:20.17 | Iriel | Here it's dreary |
| 18:20.27 | Nechckn | As per one news station "Snowpocalypse" here. |
| 18:20.39 | Nechckn | Another channels calls it the "Nor'East Nightmare" |
| 18:21.09 | Nechckn | About 2 feet o' snow thus far, with 2-4 inches per hour continuing through tonight. |
| 18:21.42 | Thunder_Child | nature isnt dreary Iriel, you are, because it's all in how you look at it. |
| 18:21.43 | Nechckn | I would almost prefer wet... *almost* |
| 18:26.29 | Cairenn | points out that in order for one to be huggled onjoin, one would have to actually leave occasionally |
| 18:27.52 | Cairenn | I know, silly me, bringing logic into it |
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| 18:33.58 | shifuimam | how do i stop a FOR loop prematurely? |
| 18:34.06 | shifuimam | e.g. once i hit the specified condition, end the loop |
| 18:34.38 | Dagmar | break |
| 18:35.12 | shifuimam | okay, awesome |
| 18:35.29 | shifuimam | what about viewing what is returned in an array when you don't know what the array elements are called |
| 18:37.30 | Iriel | You can loop over the contents |
| 18:37.44 | Iriel | if it's a true array (numeric indices starting at 1, no gaps) you can do |
| 18:37.55 | Iriel | for index, value in ipairs(arr) do ....... end |
| 18:38.12 | Iriel | If it's a hash table, you use pairs instead of ipairs (note that the values come back in an undefined order) |
| 18:40.02 | shifuimam | hm |
| 18:42.26 | A-KO | I tend to feel that breaking a loop prematurely means you're looking for the wrong condition |
| 18:42.53 | A-KO | well, I guess not...depending on what you're setting or looking for :P |
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| 18:45.42 | Iriel | Sometimes the condition can't be evaluated efficiently up front |
| 18:45.54 | Iriel | I find break frequently makes for cleaner, more efficient code |
| 18:47.00 | DWSR | morning all |
| 18:47.22 | Cairenn | hi DWSR |
| 18:47.41 | DWSR | huggles teh Cairenn |
| 18:47.58 | DWSR | Were you here for the open source drama last night? :P |
| 18:48.17 | Cairenn | oh god |
| 18:48.21 | Cairenn | no |
| 18:48.32 | Cairenn | do I need to smack any heads together? |
| 18:48.43 | DWSR | lulz not here, anyway |
| 18:48.55 | DWSR | I wanted to fork an addon @ Curse that was released under the GPLv3. |
| 18:49.02 | DWSR | I PMed the author and said no. |
| 18:49.07 | DWSR | s/said/he said/ |
| 18:49.16 | DWSR | So I went ahead and did it anyway. |
| 18:49.39 | Dagmar | Sucks to be him then |
| 18:50.16 | Cairenn | if he didn't want it forked, he shouldn't have it under GPL |
| 18:50.23 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 18:50.49 | DWSR | So I printed the page out, put it in an archive along with the current release source, and signed/locked it and uploaded it somewhere. |
| 18:51.03 | DWSR | and sent him a wonderfully polite PM back saying "fork you, man" |
| 18:51.08 | Dagmar | Not exactly necessary, but still |
| 18:51.08 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:51.36 | DWSR | Dagmar: Keeping my bases covered, in case he bothers to change the license to all rights reserved and then claim that I'm doing something illegal. |
| 18:51.47 | Cairenn | now (and you aren't gonna like this) - if you didn't care whether he said yes or no, why did you bother PMing him asking for permission - and if you did care enough to ask, why would you then completely disregard his wishes? |
| 18:51.55 | Dagmar | The website you got it from under the GPLv3 would be all the proof you needed |
| 18:52.09 | DWSR | Dagmar: It's on Curse. He can just change the license to ARR. |
| 18:52.20 | DWSR | Cairenn: I cared whether he said yes or no. |
| 18:52.29 | shifuimam | A-KO: i'm cycling through bag slots until i find one empty one |
| 18:52.33 | Dagmar | DWSR: Oh and then Curse would have no way of knowing it was originally uploaded as GPLv3? |
| 18:52.34 | shifuimam | then i want to break the loop since i only need one empty slot |
| 18:52.35 | DWSR | Cairenn: I went from doing a straight fork to copypasta-ing whenever appropriate. |
| 18:52.39 | shifuimam | this isn't in WoW, btw, it's RoM, but it uses lua |
| 18:52.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: I dunno. |
| 18:52.49 | foxlit | "Intellect reduced by 20%." |
| 18:52.53 | DWSR | Dagmar: That's why I figured it's better safe then sorry. |
| 18:53.00 | Dagmar | DWSR: Far as I know the site would still keep track of it having been uploaded as GPLv3 |
| 18:53.01 | foxlit | a 10-minute curse in EPL -- they must really hate priests. |
| 18:53.14 | DWSR | foxlit: And mages and warlocks |
| 18:53.25 | Cairenn | just seems contradictory to me, DWSR |
| 18:53.26 | foxlit | warlocks, yes, mages, no. |
| 18:53.58 | DWSR | Cairenn: It does a little bit, but I wasn't exactly expecting him to say no. |
| 18:54.19 | DWSR | He's releasing something with a license that goes against his wishes, so which is more contradictory? |
| 18:54.33 | Dagmar | Neither. |
| 18:54.43 | Dagmar | He released it with a given licence. That is his wish. |
| 18:54.46 | Cairenn | oh, not disputing that part, notice the very first thing I said on the topic :p |
| 18:54.48 | Cairenn | just saying |
| 18:55.16 | DWSR | Cairenn: Meh, like I said, his response stopped me from just straight forking. |
| 18:55.42 | Dagmar | Some people are lazy about what licence they put on there, but generally the result is they forget and leave the setting at ARR. |
| 18:55.54 | Dagmar | Like, ArkInventory is listed as ARR, but it's GPLv2 |
| 18:56.04 | DWSR | What's the default license for CurseForge? |
| 18:56.09 | Shirik | nagios win |
| 18:56.23 | foxlit | There's an XP penalty for completing orange and red quests, right |
| 18:56.24 | foxlit | ? |
| 18:56.34 | DWSR | Not for orange. |
| 18:56.37 | DWSR | For red, though, I believe. |
| 18:57.00 | Dagmar | I dunno that I'd call it a penalty |
| 18:57.09 | Dagmar | Far as I know you just get the same XP for both those |
| 18:57.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: No, red quests return less experience. |
| 18:57.39 | Dagmar | Less XP than "orange" quests? |
| 18:57.47 | DWSR | That I don't know. |
| 18:58.00 | foxlit | I'm comparing to yellow, really. |
| 18:58.01 | DWSR | I know that killing red level monsters gives you very little XP, I assume quests work similarly. |
| 18:58.17 | kdtresh | is the implication that you're obviously getting help, so you get less reward? |
| 18:58.18 | DWSR | foxlit: Orange will give you more than yellow. I believe red will give you less than orange but more than yellow. |
| 18:58.26 | DWSR | kdtresh: For red quests/mobs, I believe so. |
| 18:58.49 | DWSR | Since there's so much penalty for you to even hit a red level mob/quest. |
| 18:59.11 | Dagmar | As far I know you get the same amount of XP no matter what level you do it at, until diminishing returns for it being easy kick in |
| 18:59.12 | Nechckn | First I've heard of that |
| 18:59.38 | DWSR | Dagmar: No, you get extra experience for orange, I'm pretty sure. |
| 18:59.40 | DWSR | Let me check. |
| 18:59.42 | Nechckn | Thought you always got more for things yellow/orange |
| 18:59.49 | Dagmar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Quest_XP |
| 18:59.56 | Dagmar | Because they're higher level than green quests |
| 19:00.01 | Shirik | Dagmar, Current Attempt:4/4 (HARD state) |
| 19:00.05 | Shirik | what is a HARD state? |
| 19:00.32 | Dagmar | "Blizzard has awarded full xp for the completion of a quest of any colour except grey. See Wow-Europe. The level at which a quest becomes green is exactly the same as for mobs. " |
| 19:00.46 | Dagmar | Shirik: Afaik it means it's pretty sure the test was a pass/fail and it failed |
| 19:01.26 | Dagmar | Soft applies to not so sure tests like SNMP results, since SNMP may or may not return due to network/host load |
| 19:02.06 | shifuimam | is there any way to know when a function is done running or some other way to add a delay? |
| 19:02.40 | Shirik | ok |
| 19:02.41 | Shirik | thanks |
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| 19:03.18 | DWSR | Dagmar: yes, but orange and red quests offermore experience than yellow |
| 19:03.26 | Nechckn | Not sure what is allowed in RoM, shifuimam but you could likely make a timer library and just use that. |
| 19:03.45 | Dagmar | dwsR: If you find a yellow quest that's the same level as a green or an orange quest, feel free to speak up about it |
| 19:03.48 | shifuimam | i know there's a library someone made for RoM, i'll have to see if there's something in there |
| 19:03.57 | shifuimam | i wish lua just had a freaking sleep function |
| 19:04.07 | Shirik | shifuimam: You don't, and it does |
| 19:04.18 | shifuimam | what about the first solution on this page: http://lua-users.org/wiki/SleepFunction? |
| 19:04.23 | DWSR | bbiab. |
| 19:04.25 | Shirik | you do not want a sleep function |
| 19:04.27 | kdtresh | do things like group/dungeon affect quest color, or is it only level? |
| 19:04.32 | Shirik | it will only break everything |
| 19:04.39 | shifuimam | macros in RoM can use /wait $seconds |
| 19:04.50 | Shirik | that's going to be radically different |
| 19:04.51 | shifuimam | so i don't see why there isn't support for a /wait type command within a lua script |
| 19:05.01 | Shirik | you're going to get synchronization issues if you try to deadlock the VM |
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| 19:05.29 | shifuimam | the problem is that there's a small delay of a fraction of a second after this particular native function runs, so the code after it doesn't do what it's supposed to |
| 19:05.30 | Shirik | the VM cannot continue if you halt a script in the middle, so anything that continues cannot rely on the VM |
| 19:05.31 | shifuimam | it needs to wait |
| 19:05.40 | Shirik | then you need to think of an asynchronous way of doing it |
| 19:05.55 | shifuimam | any ideas? this is a bit new to me. |
| 19:05.58 | Dagmar | shirik: The irksome thing is that it's supposd to mean that a failure is soft when it's not been rechecked and failed X number of times (X specified by you), and hard is when it *has* failed X number of times, but in practice things are a bit different just because you've got to work around false-positives |
| 19:06.06 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 19:06.12 | Fisker | This was a triumph |
| 19:06.15 | Dagmar | ICMP tests are a lot of fun when dealing with VMs |
| 19:06.36 | Shirik | Fisker: huge success? |
| 19:07.39 | foxlit | shifuimam: what context are we talking about? |
| 19:08.06 | Fisker | i'm just trying to say that i'm still alive Shirik |
| 19:08.24 | shifuimam | i'm making an addon for RoM that allows you to select EQ items to persist between equipment sets. a character has two sets that they can swap between. the function that is used to swap is SwapEquipmentItem() (no paramaters are passed), which takes a few fractions of a second due to visual effects and stuff |
| 19:08.38 | Shirik | I get that |
| 19:08.43 | Shirik | but you still can't lock up the lua VM |
| 19:08.46 | Shirik | period |
| 19:08.54 | shifuimam | once the equipment swap is complete, i then want to re-equip the item that is to persist between both equipment sets. that's not working, because of the delay caused by the equipment swap function |
| 19:08.59 | foxlit | RoM? |
| 19:09.02 | shifuimam | right, so is there some way to do this? |
| 19:09.10 | shifuimam | runes of magic - taiwanese f2p MMORPG |
| 19:09.32 | Shirik | Look, if you reallyw ant to see the horrible things that will happen if you try to lock up the VM, just type |
| 19:09.51 | Shirik | local t = os.clock(); while os.clock() - t < 1 do end |
| 19:10.01 | Shirik | that will be your "sleep(1)" |
| 19:10.02 | shifuimam | i'm not arguing that bad things will happen if i lock up the VM |
| 19:10.20 | shifuimam | is there any way to accomplish this that will play nicely with the client? |
| 19:10.54 | foxlit | Do you have some way to execute code without a user trigger? |
| 19:11.00 | Shirik | ^ |
| 19:11.04 | Shirik | Make some kind of deferred queue |
| 19:11.11 | foxlit | WoW lets you run things every time it renders a frame, for example. |
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| 19:11.44 | foxlit | So you'd do your blocking async call, return control to WoW, and try to resume execution of your complex plan in the next couple of frames. |
| 19:11.51 | shifuimam | hm |
| 19:12.47 | shifuimam | it would appear that WorldFrame_OnUpdate() is a frame |
| 19:13.12 | shifuimam | i just watched that function an it ran nonstop until i unwatched it |
| 19:13.21 | shifuimam | with my framerate in its parentheses |
| 19:13.47 | Dagmar | OnUpdate happens every time the screen is refreshed, so yeah |
| 19:15.09 | shifuimam | so is there a way to count how many times that happens without hooking it? |
| 19:15.30 | Dagmar | Probably not. |
| 19:15.58 | shifuimam | of course :P |
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| 19:16.15 | Dagmar | I fail to see how that could possibly be a problem |
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| 19:16.34 | Dagmar | This is event-driven, not some single-threaded thing. |
| 19:16.51 | Dagmar | You *want* your calls to happen based on one of two criteria |
| 19:17.12 | Dagmar | Either a) a (reasonable) long timeout just expired and triggers a condition you care about, like a 15s timer, or |
| 19:17.32 | Dagmar | b) Something you have on the screen is about to be updated, so you MIGHT want to prepare updated information for it to represent |
| 19:18.18 | Dagmar | Writing code that goes into a busy-wait or spinlock state is just a short route to making users angry |
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| 19:18.27 | Cruciformer | cbreak: ping |
| 19:18.54 | shifuimam | yeah, and of course i want to make an addon that doesn't make people swear |
| 19:19.31 | cbreak | hmm? |
| 19:20.03 | Cruciformer | cbreak: I think I found a pretty effective and immediate way of determining when people go online. |
| 19:20.08 | shifuimam | it's the making a timer part that i'm apparently just not getting |
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| 19:20.39 | Cruciformer | cbreak: I trap UNIT_FACTION and then do a UnitIsConnected() on the argument that comes with UNIT_FACTION |
| 19:20.47 | cbreak | it will make people think the game crashed shifuimam. |
| 19:21.10 | shifuimam | cbreak: i'm getting that using sleep of some kind is bad. there has to be SOME way to use a timer without crashing or locking up the game |
| 19:21.10 | cbreak | isn't there a better event than UNIT_FACTION? |
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| 19:21.22 | cbreak | shifuimam: no |
| 19:21.28 | cbreak | use events |
| 19:21.31 | cbreak | WoW has OnUpdate |
| 19:21.37 | shifuimam | so does RoM |
| 19:21.42 | cbreak | use that |
| 19:22.06 | Cruciformer | cbreak: Well the other events that fire, like R_R_U and READYCHECK_FINISHED etc all seem to not return correct results for UnitIsConnected(). But after UNIT_FACTION fires, UnitIsConnected alays returns the correct result. |
| 19:22.18 | Cruciformer | so I am sure there should be someething better, but I cant find it. |
| 19:22.30 | cbreak | events don't return anything |
| 19:22.33 | shifuimam | well, is there a way to watch for OnUpdate on a window without creating a new frame/window to do that |
| 19:22.37 | cbreak | for UnitIsConnected |
| 19:22.44 | cbreak | you can't call it on events |
| 19:23.12 | cbreak | shifuimam: the usual way is to create a new frame to do it. |
| 19:23.21 | Cruciformer | why cant you call it in events? |
| 19:23.29 | cbreak | you can call it IN events |
| 19:23.32 | cbreak | but not ON events |
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| 19:23.48 | Dagmar | events happen, they're not invoked |
| 19:24.01 | cbreak | if the state isn't ready when the event is delivered, you could wait a bit |
| 19:24.02 | shifuimam | can i use that frame to monitor another frame's OnUpdate though? |
| 19:24.10 | cbreak | shifuimam: no. |
| 19:24.16 | cbreak | what for? |
| 19:24.26 | cbreak | OnUpdate is a framerate event |
| 19:24.32 | cbreak | it gets called once per frame |
| 19:24.37 | Dagmar | shifuimam: THink carefully. What happens if that frame then goes away... Does the frame you created just to monitor that other frame disappear as well? |
| 19:24.42 | cbreak | it's the highest granularity timer you can get |
| 19:24.50 | shifuimam | hmm |
| 19:25.13 | Cruciformer | yeah I figure since UNIT_FACTIOn fires after teh faction has changed, and the faction seems to "change" when a user logs on and off, it works well. |
| 19:25.51 | cbreak | abuse! |
| 19:26.05 | cbreak | I wouldn't rely on such undocumented behaviour :) |
| 19:26.22 | cbreak | but I guess if you don't mind your addon possibly randomly breaking. |
| 19:26.30 | Dagmar | afaik it did change. It went from undefined to actually defined |
| 19:26.33 | shifuimam | so does OnUpdate happen to every frame in the game? |
| 19:26.44 | Dagmar | When it's updating |
| 19:27.09 | foxlit | Keep in mind that most people are probably answering your questions in a WoW context. |
| 19:27.34 | cbreak | mabye there's a #romuidev |
| 19:28.04 | shifuimam | cbreak: there is but nobody is in it. ever. |
| 19:28.32 | Cruciformer | cbreak: For my purposes that wouldnt be the end of the world. All I use it for is displaying users in a loot list with "dimmed" class colors if they are offline, or normal class colors if they are online. If that colorisation happens to be slightly inaccurate, well ... meh. |
| 19:28.59 | Iriel | Does UNIT_NAME not work for that too? |
| 19:29.15 | Cruciformer | Iriel: Let me check what events fire ... |
| 19:29.22 | Iriel | I seem to remember slouken recommending that event to detect certain things like that, but that was long ago |
| 19:32.42 | Cruciformer | the events that fired when a raider /camp'ed were, in order,: UNIT_FACTION (3 times), UNIT_THREAT_SITUATION_UPDATE, UNIT_THREAT_LIST_UPDATE, RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE, PLAYER_ROLES_ASSIGNED, READY_CHECK_FINISHED (2 times), PARTYLEADER_CHANGED, PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED and then UNIT_{HEALTH,MANA,LEVEL,MAXHEALTH) and so on |
| 19:32.48 | Cruciformer | no UNIT_NAME |
| 19:33.05 | cbreak | if Raid roster update was fired after unit faction |
| 19:33.09 | cbreak | it should work |
| 19:33.36 | Cruciformer | part of the "and so on" was a final UNIT_FACTION |
| 19:34.20 | Cruciformer | I didnt count _which_ UNIT_FACTION gave me the accurate results. I can test that quickly. |
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| 19:35.47 | DWSR | Anyone here that can help me explain why, after an inspecific period of time has elapsed, my combat log suddenly ceases to function at all, and all addons relying on it ceases to function as well? |
| 19:35.56 | Shadowed | It's a known issue |
| 19:35.59 | Shadowed | that will be fixed Soon(TM) |
| 19:36.16 | Shadowed | and is related to magic and god losing the fight with the devil |
| 19:37.09 | Shadowed | (I could also be making up part of that) |
| 19:37.18 | Cruciformer | cbreak: Yeah it was the very last (3rd) UNIT_FACTION that finally yielded correct info for UnitIsConnected |
| 19:37.21 | Iriel | Shadowed: the 'real soon' part? 8-) |
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| 19:37.29 | Shadowed | yes :P |
| 19:37.40 | Shadowed | It'd be nice if they fixed it thought given it's existed since 2.4 :< |
| 19:37.56 | Shadowed | Someone posted on AJ that by repeatedly clearing the log they weren't getting the issue, which was a bit odd |
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| 19:38.28 | Cruciformer | putting in teh check in R_R_U didnt yield correct results. Both GetRaidRosterInfo() and UnitIsConnected() returned incorrect results when called after RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE fired. |
| 19:42.56 | Cruciformer | although UNIT_AURA seems to fire pretty late in the process. |
| 19:43.24 | Shadowed | What are you trying to do Cruciformer? |
| 19:43.55 | Cruciformer | arrg this would be so much easier if there was a RAID_MEMBER_{ENABLE,DISABLE} like PARTY_MEMBER_{ENABLE,DISABLE}. |
| 19:44.11 | Cruciformer | Shadowed: Accurately determine when a raider goes offline or comes online |
| 19:44.17 | Iriel | Dont you have to re-request the roster to get it to update thoroughly (which is asynchronous and delayed) |
| 19:44.28 | Iriel | or is that only guilds |
| 19:44.35 | Iriel | I spend little time in raids |
| 19:45.25 | Shadowed | My experience has been UNIT_HEALTH is the best way to determine online/offline |
| 19:45.26 | Iriel | I'm curious why D/C's are so important to detect IMMEDIATELY |
| 19:45.37 | Shadowed | Probably wants to do DKP/attendance tracking? |
| 19:45.51 | Shadowed | Although, I dunno why you couldn't just slow poll that or something along those lines |
| 19:45.53 | foxlit | Because ZOMG DON'T RESS THAT WARLOCK. |
| 19:46.19 | Iriel | foxlit: You'd test before the res, you dont need to know when the warlock D/C'ed, just that it IS D/C'ed |
| 19:46.49 | Cruciformer | attendance tracking is one use, but this particular use case is just a cosmetic thing so I dont rteally care, but once I discovered this is fairly hard to detect accurately, I wanted to know how to do it. |
| 19:47.11 | shifuimam | well, i'm at least giving it a delay based on number of frames, so tat works |
| 19:47.25 | shifuimam | now i need to figure out how to make the frame display when its parent displays, which for some reason isn't working |
| 19:47.39 | Iriel | A frame displays when its frame displays if the frame is shown |
| 19:47.44 | foxlit | Iriel: Meh. I'd prefer to know whether he is disconnected as soon as he is. |
| 19:47.49 | shifuimam | that's what i would think, but for some reason it's not working |
| 19:48.04 | Iriel | (In wow, anyway, and if they're going to copy the API one would imagine they'd copy the behavior) |
| 19:48.29 | shifuimam | if the frame is shown, that is the OnShow event, not the OnLoad event, right? |
| 19:48.37 | Iriel | Is there any way you'd know it was 'visible' -- sometimes a frame is visible but has no non-transparent components, or isn't anchored, or is anchored on screen |
| 19:48.38 | shifuimam | from what i've seen, OnLoad happens when the UI is initially loaded |
| 19:48.38 | Iriel | Right |
| 19:48.51 | Iriel | OnShow is when it goes from not visible to visible |
| 19:48.54 | Iriel | OnHide the opposite |
| 19:48.57 | Cruciformer | :IsVisible() |
| 19:49.03 | Iriel | But just because it's Visible doesn't mean you can SEE it |
| 19:49.29 | shifuimam | right, this frame isn't supposed to be visible, but it's not GOING visible when its parent goes visible |
| 19:49.47 | Iriel | Check IsShown on it |
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| 19:50.03 | Cruciformer | some combination of :IsShown() and :IsVisible() should do it |
| 19:50.27 | shifuimam | do WoW addons also use XML for the visual stuff and .lua for the scripting part? |
| 19:50.35 | Iriel | Some do |
| 19:50.37 | Iriel | Some are all lua |
| 19:50.41 | Cruciformer | its a matter of choice. |
| 19:50.49 | Cruciformer | I use no XML at all, just Lua |
| 19:51.00 | shifuimam | okl |
| 19:51.17 | Arrowmaster | well the sane people just use Lua |
| 19:51.28 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: amen :) |
| 19:51.28 | shifuimam | Iriel: it's definitely not showing when the parent frame is shown |
| 19:51.44 | shifuimam | http://pastebin.com/m4c386fc6 |
| 19:52.01 | Iriel | shifuimam: My question was whether IsShown returns true before and/or after the parent is shown |
| 19:52.04 | Cruciformer | shifuimam: parent:SetScript ("OnShow", function (this, evt, ...) child:Show () end) |
| 19:52.11 | foxlit | My unit frames spew errors when I return from the emerald portals on Dreamwalker. I wonder why. |
| 19:52.32 | Iriel | You have the frame starting hidden |
| 19:52.34 | Iriel | (That is NOT SHOWN) |
| 19:52.41 | Iriel | so regardless of the parent state, it'll never show |
| 19:52.55 | shifuimam | well, if i make it not shown, it's loading shown, regardless of the parent state |
| 19:53.06 | Iriel | Dont confuse 'Shown' and 'Visible' |
| 19:53.28 | Iriel | Shown (from the IsShown and Show/Hide perspective) means "Will I become visible if my parent becomes visible" |
| 19:53.30 | shifuimam | right. the OnShow event prints something to the default chat window |
| 19:53.38 | Iriel | Confusingly OnShow/OnHide are tied to VISIBILITY not Show/Hide |
| 19:53.48 | shifuimam | oh now it's working....wtf |
| 19:53.53 | shifuimam | i must have had a typo or something before |
| 19:56.21 | Cruciformer | btw Iriel No you dont have to re-request the raid roster, R_R_U is supposed to signal the roster has been correctly updated. |
| 19:56.42 | shifuimam | hmm. can I add an additional OnClick event to a native widget? |
| 19:56.49 | shifuimam | or do i have to hook it? |
| 19:57.24 | Iriel | Cruciformer: that makes sense now I've had time to think about it 8-) |
| 19:59.34 | Cruciformer | it may just be a genuine bug that R_R_U is firing too early. I believe the intention is to be able to use GetRaidRosterInfo() after R_R_U fires, and one of the return values from GetRaidRosterInfo() is if the player is online or not. |
| 20:02.32 | Fisker | i am a god |
| 20:03.11 | Thunder_Child | bows before Fisker |
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| 20:07.18 | shifuimam | i love how the client crashes after resetting the UI one too many times :( |
| 20:07.59 | shifuimam | RoM's got this handy ReloadUI() function so you don't have to restart the entire client every time you want to test an addon change |
| 20:08.06 | shifuimam | it's not 100% stable though |
| 20:08.25 | Iriel | Wow has that too |
| 20:08.34 | nevcairiel | RoM basically stole WoWs UI |
| 20:08.35 | Iriel | Except in wow it is stable |
| 20:08.44 | nevcairiel | the 1.x UI, anyway |
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| 20:09.08 | nevcairiel | the API is nearly identical |
| 20:09.20 | Pneumatus | do they still let you bot with addons? |
| 20:09.33 | Pneumatus | or have they finally secured some of their API |
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| 20:11.05 | nevcairiel | anyone know an NPC with non-interruptable casts? not in an instance would be nice |
| 20:11.13 | nevcairiel | need to test some castbar stuff :d |
| 20:11.38 | Thunder_Child | any of the world bosses? |
| 20:11.50 | Pneumatus | some grells near dolanaar |
| 20:11.59 | Pneumatus | have non-interruptable i think |
| 20:12.02 | nevcairiel | something that i can survive until he casts it, too |
| 20:12.20 | nevcairiel | i suppose i could go hunt one of the green dragons |
| 20:12.34 | Thunder_Child | not sure you can survive that |
| 20:12.40 | Pneumatus | try the grells in the north cave near dolanarr first ;) |
| 20:12.42 | Thunder_Child | err..no, i did |
| 20:12.56 | Pneumatus | im sure they give me the non-interruptable texture |
| 20:12.59 | nevcairiel | I'm a druid, needs alot of stuff to get me down |
| 20:13.23 | Thunder_Child | i was a prot pally..or was i ret...cant remember, i do know that i did kill it |
| 20:13.56 | nevcairiel | dolanarr .. thats elf country, isnt it? |
| 20:14.07 | Pneumatus | yeh, first elf town |
| 20:15.29 | Fisker | btw |
| 20:15.37 | Fisker | did they finally fix the map bug at blood queen lanathel? |
| 20:17.57 | shifuimam | waht's the nicest/most correct way to loop through an array of numbers? |
| 20:18.23 | shifuimam | Pneumatus: i have no idea what kind of botting works and doesn't work, i just play :P |
| 20:18.41 | Cloudwolf_ | Wooo at being keylogged or brute forced! |
| 20:19.26 | Fisker | bruteforced? |
| 20:19.32 | Cloudwolf_ | wow account got hacked |
| 20:19.39 | Thunder_Child | L2Authenticator |
| 20:19.44 | Cloudwolf_ | just bought one |
| 20:20.06 | Thunder_Child | something about closing the barn door comes to mind... |
| 20:20.36 | Cloudwolf_ | It will prevent it from happening again. |
| 20:21.16 | Fisker | i repeat: "bruteforced?" |
| 20:21.31 | Thunder_Child | you should know what that is Fisker |
| 20:21.34 | Cloudwolf_ | password being hacked via bruteforce method.... |
| 20:21.37 | Fisker | yeah |
| 20:21.37 | Iriel | I'm curious, how many people here actually DO use an authenticator? |
| 20:21.42 | Fisker | what is it? like aaaaaaaaa? |
| 20:21.47 | Cruciformer | Not I |
| 20:21.49 | Thunder_Child | i do |
| 20:21.55 | Iriel | I do |
| 20:21.56 | Fisker | Because at around the 10th try or so the account will be locked out |
| 20:22.02 | nevcairiel | I do, too |
| 20:22.18 | Arrowmaster | i dont |
| 20:22.26 | Cruciformer | I prefer to fix the problem at source, and never, ever get viruses and keyloggers on teh system in the first place. |
| 20:22.44 | Iriel | Cruciformer: That worked well for you 8-) (j/k - sucks to be hacked) |
| 20:22.49 | Cruciformer | and touch wood, in 30-odd years of using computers I never have. |
| 20:22.53 | Cloudwolf_ | Well my pw was week and i was lazy so it is my fault. But any way authenticator shouldhelp |
| 20:22.55 | Thunder_Child | though while i got 2 of the authenticators free, i only started using it when it came out for the ipohne/ipod touch |
| 20:23.10 | Thunder_Child | one less thing to cary around |
| 20:23.11 | Iriel | Sorry, well for Cloudwolf_ 8-) |
| 20:23.33 | nevcairiel | Using an authenticator doesnt stop you from being careful about your system |
| 20:23.34 | Iriel | I very much doubt i'd get my account compromised from within, for similar reasons of care, and good passwords |
| 20:23.34 | Arrowmaster | my account is the securest one among those here, somebody has to purchase gametime before logging into it |
| 20:23.59 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: via web page or wow client? |
| 20:24.12 | Thunder_Child | or rather, auth servers |
| 20:25.34 | shifuimam | when you hook a function, can you continue to do stuff after running the original unhooked function? |
| 20:25.57 | shifuimam | eg function myfunct() ... funct_orig() ... end |
| 20:26.04 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 20:26.16 | shifuimam | okay |
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| 20:27.15 | shifuimam | is there a scope definition for keeping varialbes to one add-on, or is it just local or global and nothing in between |
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| 20:28.01 | shifuimam | oh i see |
| 20:28.11 | shifuimam | so if i define a local varialbe outside of any functions in my lua file, all functions in that file can access it |
| 20:28.11 | Cruciformer | btw re the previous conversation ... it turns out UNIT_HEALTH is indeed the correct thing to trap. Several times now R_R_U didnt fire whena user went offline but UNIT_HEALTH always did, and xperl uses it so ... |
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| 20:39.32 | ScytheBlade1 | http://daduke.org/linux/userparameters.html |
| 20:39.36 | ScytheBlade1 | whoever came up with that should be shot |
| 20:40.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: I do, but only because it was $6.50 and branded with SC2 |
| 20:40.59 | Dagmar | What do you think we unix people have been complaining about when we say ActiveDirectory is _not actually_ as Kerberos-compatible as they try to amke it out to be? |
| 20:41.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: that isn't kerberos... |
| 20:41.37 | ScytheBlade1 | that attribute stores things, namely, the terminal server profile path |
| 20:41.40 | ScytheBlade1 | nothing to do with kerberos |
| 20:41.40 | krka | hmm... i've built a very awesome java framework but now i realized i have no idea how to actually make java devs find it and use it... any ideas on how to promote your projects? |
| 20:41.50 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Yes, but it's that exact same jacked up crap that's the reason |
| 20:41.52 | ScytheBlade1 | krka: slashdot? |
| 20:41.55 | Pneumatus | if it's not spring we're not interested |
| 20:42.19 | krka | you mean submitting a slashdot article on how my framework is the shit, and then hope it gets published? |
| 20:42.30 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 20:42.32 | krka | and then wait for 1000 comments on why it's totally retarded |
| 20:42.44 | ScytheBlade1 | at least it'll let you improve it? |
| 20:42.51 | Fisker | is there a weekly on sindragosa? |
| 20:42.53 | krka | and 100000 other completely off topic political comments :P |
| 20:42.56 | Dagmar | Doesn't mean much man |
| 20:42.58 | Fisker | of the new icc weeklies? |
| 20:43.00 | Pneumatus | yes fisker |
| 20:43.10 | Dagmar | The idiots outweigh every other population group on Slashdot. |
| 20:43.19 | krka | ScytheBlade1: yeah, getting useful feedback is one of the main goals |
| 20:43.51 | Fisker | on dreamwalker should use 3 healers in 10man? |
| 20:43.57 | Pneumatus | Fisker: depends on the healers |
| 20:44.05 | Dagmar | If everyone with a brain was in on the joke, you could post a proof of the Pythagorean theorem up there, and 500 people would call you a liar or a precocious idiot by morning, and another third would be offering their "improvements" |
| 20:44.15 | Fisker | Pneumatus well the encounter is about healing the boss |
| 20:44.20 | Fisker | heard you can cheese it with more healers |
| 20:44.27 | DWSR | Depends on your DPS. |
| 20:44.31 | DWSR | You're fighting waves of adds. |
| 20:44.34 | Pneumatus | Fisker: if you have an OP paladin he can soloheal it in not much time at all |
| 20:44.36 | krka | <Dagmar> The idiots outweigh every other population group <-- i generalized it for you |
| 20:44.45 | Fisker | yeah you can beacon it right? |
| 20:44.49 | DWSR | mhm |
| 20:45.06 | DWSR | Just lollerbeacon the tank and heal as normal |
| 20:45.32 | Pneumatus | you cant bacon the dragon |
| 20:45.37 | DWSR | LULZ |
| 20:45.44 | DWSR | Bacon comes from pigs silly. |
| 20:45.53 | Dagmar | mostly |
| 20:45.53 | krka | i want a baconizer :( |
| 20:45.57 | DWSR | lulz |
| 20:46.00 | DWSR | [The Baconizer] |
| 20:46.19 | Dagmar | Don't ever search the patent database for the word "bacon" unless you want to be disappointed |
| 20:46.22 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.22 | krka | Homer: [Chuckles] Yeah, right Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal. |
| 20:47.08 | DWSR | lul |
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| 20:53.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=canada's+history |
| 20:55.57 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 20:56.13 | ScytheBlade1 | note the entry count |
| 20:56.24 | Fisker | you can Pneumatus |
| 20:56.54 | Pneumatus | i heard they dont copy right, you have to bacon a tank and heal the dragon |
| 20:57.33 | ScytheBlade1 | waits for the various canadians to read it |
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| 21:13.13 | mikma | haste: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/football_fair_play.jpg |
| 21:30.38 | foxlit | Meh, though. |
| 21:30.59 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: it's funny in context, but I don't think those entries communicate that. |
| 21:31.20 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: true |
| 21:31.26 | foxlit | Although [stephen colbert] tags are a bit of a spoiler. |
| 21:31.32 | ScytheBlade1 | yea |
| 21:37.00 | Fisker | oh snap |
| 21:37.03 | Fisker | Sindragosa is level -1 |
| 21:37.13 | haste | so is every other boss |
| 21:37.46 | DWSR | SB1: What the fuck? |
| 21:38.02 | Fisker | naw haste |
| 21:38.16 | ScytheBlade1 | DWSR: win? |
| 21:38.18 | Fisker | ~every other boss is level worldboss |
| 21:38.19 | purl | Fisker: okay |
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| 21:38.33 | Fisker | screw you purl |
| 21:39.39 | haste | Fisker: 2239.33| UnitLevel'target', UnitName'target' => -1, "Rotface", nil |
| 21:39.41 | haste | oh shi-- |
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| 21:41.41 | haste | mikma: wait wait wait |
| 21:41.50 | haste | mikma: those two kids are on the same team as well :P |
| 21:42.08 | Lopeppeppy | Kids don't always get the rules right. :) |
| 21:44.32 | olafski | no no |
| 21:44.39 | olafski | he's clearly helping the other kid get high enough |
| 21:44.58 | mikma | haste: exactly ;) |
| 21:45.29 | Lopeppeppy | Looks like an effective assist |
| 21:46.39 | Fisker | haste ~every not every |
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| 21:46.53 | Dagmar | People weren't satisfied that crocs are ugly or unweidly enough |
| 21:46.56 | Shirik | is there a nascar race going on right now? |
| 21:47.17 | Dagmar | Now they're wearing shoes that look like they have a redheaded kid stuck on the toe |
| 21:48.03 | Fisker | hmm |
| 21:48.09 | Fisker | my farts smell a bit like toast Shirik |
| 21:48.15 | Dagmar | Shirik: Last I checked, NASCAR doesn't try to compete for eyeballs with the SuperBowl |
| 21:48.18 | Shirik | I'm sorry to hear that Fisker |
| 21:48.29 | Shirik | Dagmar: That's what I would have thought.... but I think I can hear the track |
| 21:48.55 | Dagmar | It could always be a non-NASCAR race |
| 21:48.58 | Lopeppeppy | Superbowl is tomorrow, they could be racing or doing time-trials today. |
| 21:49.28 | Dagmar | Might be a scooter rally, although those tend to be a bit more muffled |
| 21:50.23 | Fisker | superbowl is nascar? |
| 21:50.42 | Lopeppeppy | Of course not Fisker, but two major events in one weekend wouldn't be wise. |
| 21:50.56 | Fisker | k :P |
| 21:51.06 | Fisker | Did have a feeling that superbowl was handegg |
| 21:51.42 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy wins |
| 21:51.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: so, actual answer |
| 21:51.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: what did you do with your disc? |
| 21:51.55 | Shirik | FEB 6 |
| 21:51.55 | Shirik | Daytona 500 Qualifying |
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| 21:53.22 | Gagorian | Can anyone tell me how I can delete my project from WoWInterface? |
| 21:53.26 | Gagorian | I can't seem to find the button for it |
| 21:53.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Gagorian: ask an admin |
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| 21:55.13 | Fisker | i will devour you whole ScytheBlade1 |
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| 21:55.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker: rawr? |
| 21:55.24 | Gagorian | Oh no, Fisker is here too >_> |
| 21:55.37 | Gagorian | There is no escape from The Fisker |
| 21:55.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Gagorian: none |
| 21:56.00 | Fisker | indeed |
| 21:56.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Gagorian: poke Cairenn or Shirik |
| 21:56.40 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
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| 21:56.54 | Shirik | anyway, what did you need? |
| 21:56.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:56.58 | Cairenn | no |
| 21:57.39 | Shirik | hey ScytheBlade1, nagios caught something today I didn't even notice! It wins |
| 21:57.45 | Shirik | Gagorian, what's up? |
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| 21:57.59 | ScytheBlade1 | o-o-o-owned Fisker |
| 21:58.02 | ScytheBlade1 | also |
| 21:58.05 | ScytheBlade1 | cries admin abuse |
| 21:58.12 | Shirik | oh be quiet |
| 21:58.20 | Cairenn | kicks ScytheBlade1 (you love it, stop lying) |
| 21:58.25 | Shirik | o.o; |
| 21:58.32 | ScytheBlade1 | s/kicks/licks/ |
| 21:58.38 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:58.41 | Fisker | no ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:58.43 | Fisker | i wanted it |
| 22:00.34 | Gagorian | Shirik: Well I already sent a message through the thingie on the site, but yeah I want DrDamage deleted from the wowui site as the version is outdated |
| 22:00.49 | Gagorian | I don't have the time or patience to keep it up to date on multiple sites :C |
| 22:00.50 | Shirik | why not just move it to the outdated category? |
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| 22:00.56 | Gagorian | It is |
| 22:01.23 | Gagorian | But it shows up on Google as the third search for example and it says Outdated, which might lead people to think it's outdated in general |
| 22:01.53 | Shirik | are you talking about wowui or wowi? |
| 22:02.00 | Shirik | I don't see any report for DrDamage |
| 22:02.01 | Gagorian | err wowinteface |
| 22:06.06 | shifuimam | my power went out and now my addon doesn't work o.O |
| 22:06.22 | shifuimam | it's claiming that the function i'm using with OnUpdate doesn't exist, even though i'm looking at it right here in my code. |
| 22:06.47 | cbreak | Lua won't work without power, sorry |
| 22:06.56 | cbreak | maybe it's a load order |
| 22:07.09 | ScytheBlade1 | or function definition order |
| 22:07.09 | Fisker | in b4 it's a recovered document and not the actual one |
| 22:07.20 | foxlit | http://www.cad-comic.com/comics/sillies/20090914.gif << adorable? |
| 22:07.31 | shifuimam | Fisker: no, it's definitely the one the code is using |
| 22:07.34 | shifuimam | well, the one it's SUPPOSED to be using |
| 22:08.03 | shifuimam | i've got it in my .toc file so i'm not real sure where the problem is |
| 22:08.30 | Lopeppeppy | Did the power going out cause you to not save something, so you're working with a bad version? :) |
| 22:08.46 | shifuimam | well, at the time when the power went out, i wasn't working on this lua file |
| 22:08.54 | shifuimam | i was testing in game |
| 22:09.14 | shifuimam | this is the entirety of my lua file: http://pastebin.com/m624dc464 |
| 22:09.29 | olafski | foxlit: giggle :D |
| 22:09.30 | shifuimam | it's claiming that EQSwap_OnUpdate() and EQSwap_OnLoad() don't exist |
| 22:10.01 | shifuimam | err, EQSwap_OnShow() doesn't exist |
| 22:11.07 | shifuimam | this is my XML - http://pastebin.com/m4ccf5a89 |
| 22:11.12 | shifuimam | i can't see anything missing or wrong |
| 22:12.24 | shifuimam | it's completely ignoring my .lua file. the hook i have for a native function isn't working, the simple print() message when the addon loads isn't working |
| 22:13.00 | shifuimam | i guess maybe something is still cached from my machine shutting off abruptly? |
| 22:13.10 | foxlit | no |
| 22:13.32 | foxlit | it is *not* /ignoring/ your lua file |
| 22:14.29 | shifuimam | okay... |
| 22:15.13 | foxlit | (your lua file does not compile) |
| 22:15.39 | shifuimam | so what may be causing the problem? |
| 22:17.17 | foxlit | lua: m624dc464.txt:63: '=' expected near '==' |
| 22:17.55 | shifuimam | how did you find that bug? i mean, is there something i can run my lua through to look for syntax errors? |
| 22:18.40 | Dagmar | heh |
| 22:18.40 | Pneumatus | lua compiler :) |
| 22:19.18 | shifuimam | alright well that got it to load...now to figure out what else is wrong :P |
| 22:19.53 | ScytheBlade1 | turn on lua errors |
| 22:19.58 | ScytheBlade1 | also check Logs\FrameXML.log |
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| 22:21.04 | shifuimam | no error log for RoM, it seems :( |
| 22:24.22 | shifuimam | so since i'm using OnUpdate to add delays based on number of frames rendered, all my stuff that requires those delays needs to run inside my OnUpdate() function, right? |
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| 22:31.00 | shifuimam | ../ |
| 22:31.02 | shifuimam | err ..? |
| 22:32.21 | Iriel | It needs to be CALLED BY your OnUpdate, that doesn't mean it has to be in the OnUpdate function body |
| 22:33.41 | Gagorian | Not knowing what you're working on, you should also review if everything needs to be updated using OnUpdate in the first place |
| 22:35.20 | shifuimam | Gagorian: i need to use OnUpdate because i have to force delays between different pieces of code |
| 22:37.51 | shifuimam | this seems to be the only way i can really do that |
| 22:40.51 | Lopeppeppy | What are you trying to load and when? What are the delays you're using, and why? |
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| 22:42.39 | Fisker | why won't sindragosa just die? |
| 22:42.52 | Gagorian | Because, Fisker |
| 22:44.08 | Lopeppeppy | She loves you too much to leave you. |
| 22:45.11 | shifuimam | Lopeppeppy: i'm making an add-on for RoM that lets you select pieces of EQ to persist between swapping between two sets |
| 22:45.30 | shifuimam | i have to add delays after certain functions in order to make it work. when the EQ is swapped, a delay is necessary before the eq can be re-equipped |
| 22:45.48 | shifuimam | similarly, it would appear that i can't remove multiple pieces of EQ without adding a delay, which is what i'm trying to do now. |
| 22:47.04 | Iriel | (Important note for newcomers, because shifuimam doesn't mention it very often - He is not working in WoW) |
| 22:47.26 | shifuimam | she. and, yeah. sorry that 'm asking questions in this channel but you guys are the only place where i seem to be able to find any help at all |
| 22:49.29 | shifuimam | my problem right now is how to apply this counter i've made using OnUpdate to FOR loops |
| 22:49.58 | Iriel | Are you trying to do N actions spread over multiple OnUpdate calls/ |
| 22:50.00 | shifuimam | i need to iterate through a list of eq slot numbers to remove the user-specified pieces of EQ before swapping sets, but i have to make a delay between each item in the list |
| 22:50.26 | shifuimam | then i need to iterate through a list of bag slot numbers with a delay between each to re-equip once the set has been swapped |
| 22:50.26 | Iriel | Does your environment have coroutines? They might be a good way to keep your code relatively simple, but still be able to use delays |
| 22:50.40 | Iriel | If you dont have co-routines, then think of it differently... |
| 22:50.40 | shifuimam | i'm not sure. any sample code i could run to see if it's supported? |
| 22:50.52 | Mikk | well it's wow |
| 22:50.56 | Mikk | since we're talking OnUpdate |
| 22:51.00 | Mikk | so yes it has coroutines |
| 22:51.11 | Iriel | Instead of 'iteratore through a list of bag slot numbers with a delay between each' say 'write a method that,w hen called, checks the next bag slot' |
| 22:51.23 | Iriel | Mikk: No, it's not.. The game he's programming in copied most of the WoW API. |
| 22:51.28 | Iriel | she, sorry |
| 22:51.32 | Iriel | force of habit, which is right 99% of the time. |
| 22:51.44 | shifuimam | well, this *is* the internet :) |
| 22:52.00 | Mikk | men=boys, women=boys, girls=fbi |
| 22:52.01 | Mikk | etc |
| 22:52.09 | Iriel | If you want to see if it has coroutines, you can see if 'coroutine' is a table or nil, in the global environment |
| 22:52.29 | shifuimam | it's a table |
| 22:52.52 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, more girls are good things. |
| 22:53.18 | Iriel | Well, that's another option then, you could wrap your loop in a coroutine, and use coroutine.yield() between iterations, and have your OnUpdate call coroutine.resume() after each delay |
| 22:53.28 | Iriel | You probably want to read up on coroutines in some lua documentation first |
| 22:53.38 | Iriel | I suspect coroutines are overkill, however |
| 22:54.06 | Iriel | let me post an example of my suggested approach, one sec while I write one up |
| 22:54.10 | shifuimam | okay |
| 22:54.23 | Gagorian | shifuimam: http://lua-users.org/wiki/CoroutinesTutorial |
| 22:55.59 | shifuimam | so inside my OnUpate i can iterate through the list of EQ slots to persist, and yield the coroutine until the counter reaches the given delay? |
| 22:56.15 | shifuimam | or is that also wrong? :) |
| 22:57.08 | Iriel | http://pastebin.com/m77cc2d60 |
| 22:59.17 | shifuimam | thanks, running now |
| 22:59.34 | Iriel | And here it is with a coroutine: http://pastebin.com/m14fcf911 |
| 23:00.06 | Iriel | A coroutine is much more expensive to create than a simple closure, but if your yield points are in complex loops and conditions, they can be much easier to use |
| 23:00.47 | shifuimam | i see |
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| 23:05.09 | shifuimam | i think i get how both ways work, but i'm not exactly sure how to adapt that to work with my OnUpdate-based timer |
| 23:05.26 | Iriel | Well, your timer counts down |
| 23:05.42 | Iriel | and every time it reaches zero, you fire a call to the visit method / coroutine.resume() |
| 23:06.06 | Iriel | when that returns a false value, you can stop the timer because you've done all the slots |
| 23:06.32 | Fisker | damn p3 sindragosa is hard :o |
| 23:06.56 | shifuimam | so vis(); or coroutine:resume() is called inside OnUpdate |
| 23:07.00 | Iriel | shifuimam: Question: Do you care what order you try the slots in? |
| 23:07.19 | shifuimam | Iriel: nope. all i'm doing is moving the persistent eq into the bag and then back onto the char |
| 23:07.32 | shifuimam | doesn't matter what order the eq is removed and put back on |
| 23:07.33 | Iriel | Let me show you an alternate approach that might be simpler |
| 23:07.39 | shifuimam | okay |
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| 23:10.17 | Iriel | I'll note my snippets are written you can run them with a command line lua, to see it run |
| 23:10.49 | Iriel | http://pastebin.com/dfd4de5c |
| 23:12.11 | Fisker | i fart on u Shirik |
| 23:12.46 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 23:12.53 | Shirik | I signed your public key |
| 23:15.25 | shifuimam | am i still online? |
| 23:15.30 | ScytheBlade1 | shifuimam: no |
| 23:15.45 | shifuimam | damn power outages |
| 23:16.46 | shifuimam | Iriel: what does the SLOTS_TO_PROCESS[]=true do? |
| 23:16.49 | shifuimam | e.g. why do you set it to true |
| 23:16.57 | Iriel | YOu can set it to any non-nil value |
| 23:17.06 | Iriel | the trick is that you're using the table KEYS to store your data, not the values |
| 23:17.13 | shifuimam | ahaha |
| 23:17.16 | Iriel | since that makes the question 'what do I process next' easy |
| 23:17.20 | shifuimam | yeah |
| 23:17.22 | Iriel | and it also makes 'add a new slot to the list' easy |
| 23:17.46 | Shirik | !ping |
| 23:17.46 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 23:17.47 | purl | ~pong |
| 23:17.47 | batbot | Shirik: pong! |
| 23:17.47 | EDI | pong |
| 23:17.48 | Shirik | ow |
| 23:17.51 | Shirik | spam |
| 23:17.52 | shifuimam | i suppose i could set the value to the bag slot? |
| 23:18.01 | Lopeppeppy | The bots love you, Shirik. |
| 23:18.02 | shifuimam | because i need both the EQ slot and the bag slot when i'm removing the eq |
| 23:18.12 | Shirik | I just got flooded with the last 2 minutes of messages |
| 23:18.16 | Iriel | Yes, you could use the value |
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| 23:18.21 | Iriel | in fact, I was going to suggest that |
| 23:18.39 | Iriel | As an extension of the mechanism, you stick useful parameters into the value |
| 23:19.00 | Iriel | next returns the key and value |
| 23:19.06 | Shirik | I have a proposal |
| 23:19.12 | Iriel | so you could do: bagSlot, eqSlot = next(SLOTS_TO_PROCESS) |
| 23:19.13 | Shirik | At next Blizzcon, we have a key signing party |
| 23:19.33 | shifuimam | ah so that returns the key and the first value in that row |
| 23:19.47 | Iriel | Shirik: I dunno, that makes it really awkward when none of us want to recognize your existance |
| 23:19.52 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:19.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Iriel++ |
| 23:20.09 | Iriel | shifuimam: next with just one argument (or technically, when the 2nd arg is nil) returns the "first" key, and its value, from the table |
| 23:20.26 | shifuimam | okay |
| 23:20.43 | shifuimam | so once you've processed that slot, you set it to nil so it's not processed again? |
| 23:21.11 | Iriel | right |
| 23:21.31 | Iriel | You could do exactly the same thing using a table as queue too, any approach really |
| 23:21.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I really don't know if you've ever been burned that badly |
| 23:21.58 | Iriel | if the order isn't important I like the key-for-value approach because it keps the cost of insert/remove quite low |
| 23:22.02 | shifuimam | what's the rule of thumb for determining whether or not a function in an add-on should be local? |
| 23:22.12 | Shirik | that actually was quite epic, ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:22.28 | Iriel | "does anyone outside my scope need/want to call it" |
| 23:22.37 | Iriel | if yes, make it global, otherwise, local |
| 23:23.06 | shifuimam | okay |
| 23:23.48 | Iriel | Shirik: You know I love you really -- you're just such a good target |
| 23:23.48 | Lopeppeppy | wants Shirik to sign her room key. Rawr. |
| 23:23.58 | shifuimam | okay, now to test.... |
| 23:24.03 | shifuimam | keeps her fingers crossed |
| 23:24.23 | Shirik | <3 Lopeppeppy |
| 23:24.27 | Shirik | and <3 Iriel |
| 23:24.53 | shifuimam | balls. error :( |
| 23:25.10 | Iriel | I love the dwarf fortress dev log (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.html) |
| 23:27.57 | olafski | the crown chemical co. apothecaries in shadowfang keep are lvl 80 I assume, anyone able to confirm this? |
| 23:28.30 | shifuimam | i don't get it. it apparently doesn't think that processNextSlot() exists |
| 23:28.35 | shifuimam | even though your sample code ran fine |
| 23:28.42 | Iriel | Pastey your code |
| 23:28.59 | Iriel | I expect you have a scope issue |
| 23:29.06 | shifuimam | http://pastebin.com/m445374bf |
| 23:29.12 | shifuimam | hah - probably, yeah |
| 23:29.28 | Iriel | You dont declare processNextSlot until the end |
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| 23:29.47 | Iriel | lua locals are lexically scoped, that is, they begin where you declare them, and from that point on in the code |
| 23:30.06 | shifuimam | oh |
| 23:30.07 | Iriel | So the definition on line 66 isn't visible to the use on line 28 |
| 23:30.19 | shifuimam | so as a local function i need to declare it before the OnUpdate() |
| 23:30.37 | Iriel | Yes |
| 23:30.44 | Iriel | Or you can do local processNextSlot; up at the top |
| 23:30.50 | Iriel | and then function processNextSlot at the bottom |
| 23:30.58 | shifuimam | also noticed that i wasn't resetting my counter to 1 after each slot, so i fixed that too...testing again now |
| 23:32.10 | shifuimam | hooray! |
| 23:34.50 | shifuimam | thanks so much - i'm a lot closer to making this all work than i was :) |
| 23:35.22 | Lopeppeppy | Iriel kicks ass. |
| 23:35.27 | shifuimam | indeed |
| 23:35.48 | shifuimam | it's trying to use the same empty bag index for every piece of eq though, so that's no good |
| 23:36.57 | Iriel | Did you forget to 'reserve' bag slots once you'd assigned them to an EQ? |
| 23:37.03 | shifuimam | it would appear so, yes |
| 23:37.25 | Iriel | You may be better off just queueing the EQ slots, then having each EQ slot figure out which bank slot is next |
| 23:37.36 | shifuimam | yeah |
| 23:37.37 | shifuimam | i think so |
| 23:37.40 | Iriel | that'd be a more "stable" implementation in the presence of other activities |
| 23:37.40 | Dagmar | Nah |
| 23:38.06 | Dagmar | Just write a loop that iterates over every item id, so at load time it walks the list of items, and then makes sure each one is in the appropriate slot |
| 23:38.24 | Dagmar | All zero to eleventy million of them |
| 23:38.27 | shifuimam | hahahahahaha |
| 23:38.41 | shifuimam | someone wrote a nice preview addon that lets you view the sprite for any item in the game |
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| 23:38.58 | shifuimam | before he started caching the information in the user's variables file, loading that addon would cripple the client until it was done |
| 23:39.18 | shifuimam | you could change the speed that it downloaded item data from the server to avoid totally killing things, but still |
| 23:41.42 | Iriel | Hm, I need a small easily amused child that can follow directions so my fishing can get from 280 to 450 |
| 23:41.59 | Dagmar | They have outreach programs like that |
| 23:41.59 | shifuimam | start breeding? |
| 23:42.09 | Lopeppeppy | Iriel, hire one for the day from the local daycare. |
| 23:42.17 | Lopeppeppy | They take their pay in animal crackers, I hear. |
| 23:42.44 | Dagmar | I know two different people whose fishing is maxed becasue they had a four- or five-year-old who liked "The Fishing Game" |
| 23:43.06 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, hand-eye coordination is a good skill to allow the small ones to practice! |
| 23:43.13 | Dagmar | Uh huh |
| 23:43.24 | Nechckn | I actually like fishing just to sit and hang out in FFXI - in WoW it is just not all that easy to do that and chat, et cetera |
| 23:43.32 | Lopeppeppy | would never stoop to abusing the work ethic of an underage personage! |
| 23:43.33 | Dagmar | You people just don't know the pain of having to make your character eat just to stay alive |
| 23:43.37 | shifuimam | rom does some weird caching stuff. i don't know why, but reloading the UI eventually quits applying my addon changes |
| 23:44.11 | Dagmar | In EQ my elf used to run into the outback with nothing but a pointy stick and a bathrobe |
| 23:44.30 | Dagmar | I hunted for my water and batwing crunchies |
| 23:44.44 | Dagmar | ...although I was partial to Blackened Teir'Dal |
| 23:45.07 | Dagmar | Making that not drop from players was pure milquetoast |
| 23:45.31 | Dagmar | If you hunted yer dark elves, and killed yer dark elves, you should have been allowed to eat 'um |
| 23:45.51 | Iriel | it's like wow not letting me skin tauren |
| 23:45.53 | Dagmar | It's not cannibalism when you're talking about inkies |
| 23:46.01 | Dagmar | Iriel: EXACTLY |
| 23:46.10 | Dagmar | You should be able to get some mighty fine leather off those |
| 23:46.13 | nevcairiel | taurens should at least drop some nice steaks when killed |
| 23:46.19 | Lopeppeppy | Can't skin critters now either. Should be able to skin sheep for wool! |
| 23:46.22 | nevcairiel | or milk, if female |
| 23:46.31 | Iriel | Lopeppeppy: they took that away? |
| 23:46.32 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy: you can skin sheep, actualy |
| 23:46.36 | nevcairiel | or could, fwiw |
| 23:46.41 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Actually, in instanced spawns, they *do* tend to skin into wool |
| 23:47.09 | Dagmar | They won't out in Elwynn for whatever reason, but I've gotten wool off the sheep in CoS and Old Southshore |
| 23:48.05 | Lopeppeppy | I seem to remember some QQ on forums about them taking away critter skinning. |
| 23:48.27 | Lopeppeppy | Perhaps it was only in newbie areas that they did this, unsure. I don't have a leatherworker so I didn't care too much. |
| 23:48.44 | Dagmar | I guess it was token QQ |
| 23:48.54 | Dagmar | It's not like there's a big market for a handful of leather scraps |
| 23:49.36 | Iriel | I think they got a bit carried away with the pygmy suckerfish thing in northrend |
| 23:50.23 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 23:50.41 | Dagmar | My guild leader is probably rivaling Coca Cola in production of bottles of Guru's Elixir |
| 23:54.58 | Dagmar | Me and three other guildies have been farming materials for fish feasts for awhile and didn't know what to do with all the pygmy suckerfish |
| 23:55.13 | Dagmar | So we had just been letting them pile up in our alt's mailboxes. |
| 23:55.53 | Dagmar | Guild leader says he wants them, we sent him (collectively) something like ~2500 of them |
| 23:56.23 | Iriel | my alchemist friend told me to stop sending them to him, ever |
| 23:56.28 | Dagmar | lol |
| 23:57.12 | Dagmar | Yeah now there's like standing orders of "If you're out doing dailies, or questing, or even in five-mans, you'd BETTER be using some of these elixirs from the guild bank" |
| 23:57.12 | Iriel | I should just feed them to my pet I guess |
| 23:57.37 | Iriel | though I've been levelling a pet that doesn't eat fish, and that's SUPER annoying |
| 23:58.10 | Dagmar | Glyph of Mend Pet really takes the load off tho |
| 23:58.43 | Iriel | OH! I have that one |
| 23:58.45 | Iriel | Never noticed it |
| 23:58.54 | Iriel | (My normal pet gains happiness from killing stuff) |
