IRC log for #wowuidev on 20100202

03:19.09*** join/#wowuidev purl (ibot@rikers.org)
03:19.09*** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant!
03:19.30*** join/#wowuidev Audible (~jon@cl-339.waw-01.pl.sixxs.net)
03:20.20LunessaI think they're saying GTFO!
03:24.15*** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (~Creek@67-197-1-37.rh1.dyn.cm.comporium.net)
03:27.35AdysCide ping
03:30.42Adys"Alexstrasza will do anything to protect life on Azeroth.  Look at what happened to Malygos in his obsession to keep mortals from improperly using magic.  The scourge will be used to fight the burning legion at some point."
03:30.49Adysare these three sentences related or what?
03:35.01WobWorkYou're saying Alexstraza is behind wrathgate?
03:35.46WobWorkie, she planned the whole betrayal out so she could get her mitts on Bolvar?
03:37.29Thunder_Child"In the 1970's, the Rhode Island Legislature in the US entertained a proposal that there be a $2 tax on every act of sexual intercourse in the State."
03:41.51AntiarcOur raid is the most mature raid.
03:41.52Antiarchttp://i.imgur.com/OzuD3.jpg
03:42.48Thunder_Child"The active ingredient in Chinese Bird's nest soup is saliva."
03:45.02Thunder_Child"It was the custom in Ancient Rome for the men to place their right hand on their testicles when taking an oath. The modern term 'testimony' is derived from this tradition." <- that makes me think of michel jackson
03:45.28Thunder_Childmichael*
03:50.18*** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (~Creek@67-197-1-37.rh1.dyn.cm.comporium.net)
03:52.35LunessaAntiarc: That screenie is full of lawl
03:53.56Jerubsomeone needs to explain to me why that's funny.
03:54.05Jerubi mean, i see the pugs and the leashes and stuff.
03:54.17LunessaAnd the obvious dick joke?
03:54.40Jeruboooh, right.
03:54.50Jerubhere's me thinking, 'tee hee, gnomes'.
04:01.50*** join/#wowuidev Lothaer (~jamiecook@115-166-47-16.ip.adam.com.au)
04:06.47*** join/#wowuidev DJJeff (~crazyjeff@d66-183-58-28.bchsia.telus.net)
04:23.45*** join/#wowuidev Nechckn (~N@c-68-33-227-144.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
04:23.45*** join/#wowuidev Nechckn (~N@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Admin/Nechckn)
04:23.45*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Nechckn] by ChanServ
04:45.00WobWorkJerub: as a hordie, I've started to do that
04:45.17Jerubi feel like playing my alliance toons
04:45.23WobWorkalthough Weasy's hairstyle is lolworthy
04:45.29Jerub... mostly because one of them can tank, and they're going to be on 200% rested xp
04:45.30WobWorker weazey
04:45.54Jerubanyone on alliance caelstraz?
04:48.12Jerubtee hee. another druid on my server had a crush on me right up until he was in a raid with me and i was explaining fights.
04:48.17Jerubhe thought i was a girl. XD
04:48.26WobWorkJerub: um actually
04:48.38WobWorkI still have a rogue on Cael I think
04:48.54WobWorkJerub: your name -is- BrandiBear
04:49.02JerubWobWork: yes.
04:49.09WobWorkDo you blame him? =P
04:49.16JerubWobWork: not at all!
04:49.19JerubI just lolled.
04:49.34NightHawkTheSanei thought evryone knew that there are no girls on the internets
04:49.42JerubThat's a joke that has taken 80 levels of grinding and then hours of trolling on trade to finally bring to fruiition.
04:49.45Jerubfruiition
04:49.49Jerubdammn, fruiting.
04:49.53WobWorkFruition
04:50.16WobWorkdamn wowarmory under maint
04:50.20WobWorkcan't check my server
04:50.21Jerubgood.
04:50.29WobWorkgood?
04:50.34Adyswewt
04:50.36Adysgot bloody rare
04:50.39WobWorkhuzzah
04:50.50Adysthanks npcscan, hope you dont get nerfed tomorrow.
04:50.58JerubWobWork: it's been fucked up for days
04:51.15JerubAdys: npcscan is getting nerfed potentially?
04:51.20Jerubi didn't see anything in the patch notes
04:51.26Jerubbut i stopped reading after hearing about brann
04:51.27Adyspotentially sure
04:51.42Adyswhat it does is totally not intended
04:52.06Adysit's the developer's "clever use of game mechanics"
04:53.02Jerubhow does it work?
04:53.08Jerubdoesn't it just spam /target ?
04:53.10Jerubhasn't got it
04:53.11Adysno
04:53.18Jerubalso, RANK WATCH FOR THE WIN.
04:53.28JerubI saw someone using it in WG the other day, reporting to /raid
04:53.34Adysit keeps a npc tooltip up for each id in its list
04:53.45Adysas long as the tooltip is empty
04:53.52Adysthe npc is not cached
04:54.03Jerubooh, cool.
04:54.13Adyswhen the npc is found, it gets in the cache, so the tooltip isnt empty anymore
04:54.43Jeruboh nice
04:55.07Jerubi must've killed that rare spawn in SM:GY 3 times yesterday
04:55.08Adysit's very clever
04:56.27*** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~Ryan@c-76-107-191-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net)
04:57.02Jerubhow long does it take for your rested xp to reach a cap?
04:58.24Adyswasn't it 1 week?
04:58.39Adyscap is 150%
04:59.08Jeruboh nice.
05:07.11temI thought it was 2 weeks?
05:09.14*** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~kd3@wikia/kaydeethree)
05:13.45*** join/#wowuidev Movix (~Movix@mail.schiffmann.fr)
05:20.13Adysdefinitely not 2 weeks
05:21.11kdtreshand now i'm thinking of the mask thing in total recall
05:21.26kdtreshthat's pretty random
05:23.03JerubOne bar of rested XP (5% of a level) is earned for every 8 hours spent resting. A maximum of 30 bars (150% of a level) may be earned. In other words, you can leave your character resting in an inn or capital city for up to 10 days (without gaining experience) before you earn the maximum amount of rest state, and a resting character stores up one full level of rest in 160 hours (6.67 days)
05:23.09Jerubhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Rest
05:24.04Jerubso playing 1 toon per day is the optimal way of playing wow.
05:24.10Jerub(until 80)
05:24.41kdtreshif you have 7 characters
05:25.14WobWorkwell depends on your definition of optimal
05:25.31WobWorkif by optimal you mean all 7 of your toons at 80 at the earliest opportunity, then yes =P
05:25.32Jerub10
05:25.45Jerubit's 10 days to 150% rest
05:25.57kdtreshi suppose it is
05:26.06kdtreshthe 7 would be for 1 level per day
05:26.34Jerubyeah, but at 10 you just play the toon until your fingers bleed every day
05:26.40Jerub10 80s in a year at that rate.
05:28.02WobWork"Got my first new Shaman, started up a big Tauren, played until my fingers bled, was the summer of 2010"
05:29.51WobWork"Me and some guys from school, had a guild and we tried real hard. Jimmy left, Judy went Ally, should have known we'd never get far"
05:30.12Jerub<3
05:30.17temI hate it when peopel refer to the alliance as "ally"
05:30.28Jerubi say alli somtimes.
05:30.29temit's my biggest annoyance of playing hordeside
05:30.32WobWorktem:  that's only cause Hordey sounds stupid
05:30.46Adyswhy?
05:30.48WobWorkalso, alliance wouldn't have fit the scansion
05:30.53tem"there's some allies in the bank killing the npcs"
05:30.55temno
05:31.00Adyspeople refer to alliance as "ally" alliance side as well
05:31.01temthere are members of the alliance in the bank
05:31.18temI've NEVER EVER seen it alliance side
05:31.23temin 5 years of being alliance
05:31.25AdysWell
05:31.27AdysI've seen it
05:31.30WobWork"Jimmy quit, Judy, Alliance, should have known it'd never get far..."?
05:31.33Adysand I've NEVER EVER been horde
05:31.34Adys:P
05:31.34Jerubtem: does people referring to the oculus as 'occy' annoy you too?
05:31.41temnope
05:31.59temit might just be a server thing
05:32.08temdifferent servers different "cultures" or whatever
05:32.17temJerub, I just think it sounds retarded
05:32.18AdysWhat about people who refer to shirik as a pussy?
05:32.19WobWorkJerub: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Caelestrasz&cn=Tobermory
05:32.31Jerubooh, it's an ally rogue!
05:32.44tem*glare*
05:32.54WobWorkas you can see... I've not actually played him since wotlk
05:33.03Adysyay
05:33.06Adysterror spinner
05:33.10Adysno more zuldraking
05:33.40temthe item level "structure" in BC is confusing
05:34.40Jerubwell, that's why gearscore was invented wasn't it? to compare BC epics vs WotLK blues?
05:34.47Adyslol
05:34.51temum
05:34.53temno?
05:35.04Adysgearscore is pretty old
05:36.26*** join/#wowuidev Lothaer (~jamiecook@115-166-47-16.ip.adam.com.au)
05:36.31AdysPerobas
05:36.34AdysIm on fire \o/
05:36.37AdysI love playing at 6am
05:37.34Jerubi won WG with a team of 20 the other morning
05:37.38Jerubyay 6am PVP
05:39.40temmy armory pose is epic
05:39.42temhttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dragonmaw&n=Doloros
05:40.04Jerubi don't even remember who my toons on caelstraz are.
05:53.46*** join/#wowuidev Industrial (~tom@205.189.73.45)
06:04.43Thunder_Child"A parthenophobic has a fear of virgins."
06:06.19WobWorkwell, I can see how aversion therapy might work for that =P
06:09.59Thunder_Child"Pogonophobia is the fear of beards."
06:23.46WobWorkhm
06:23.52WobWorkwhy can't I save a default pose on the armoury?
06:23.59*** join/#wowuidev pompy (~Mike@c-68-38-45-3.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
06:28.49*** join/#wowuidev elite3vil (Taladris@c-24-61-238-244.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
06:28.55*** join/#wowuidev elite3vil (Taladris@unaffiliated/elite3vil)
06:31.51Thunder_Child"A shadow of a four-dimensional object would have three dimensions." is an awesome thought to think about
06:34.39WobWorkanyone having issues saving poses on the armory?
06:36.18WobWorkThunder_Child: we -are- shadows of a four dimensional object
06:37.50Thunder_ChildWobWork: we are 3 dimensional objects existing in 4 dimensional space
06:38.42TrelaMy MacBook Pro just went FUUUUUUU and refuses to charge its battery.  >:O
06:38.50NightHawkTheSaneThunder_Child: does that invalidate WobWork's statement?
06:39.17Thunder_ChildNightHawkTheSane: yes
06:39.38NightHawkTheSanehow? is the shadow you cast not merely a 2d object?
06:40.09*** join/#wowuidev awweaver (~awweaver@c-76-121-69-121.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
06:40.29awweaverSo, how is everbody tonight?
06:40.36NightHawkTheSaneexistential, apparently
06:40.45awweaver?
06:41.12Thunder_Childthat question has no bearing NightHawkTheSane
06:41.23Thunder_Childour shadows do not think
06:45.27Thunder_Child"The party leader is now referred to as Guide in chat when a group is formed via the Dungeon Finder." was this really that much of an issue?
06:46.43Jeruband does nayone ever listen tohim?
06:46.52Jerubthen again, it helps me with Rankwatch i guess
06:48.50Jerubi netted a paladin using the wrong rank of blessing of wisdom the other day.
06:49.47WobWorkThunder_Child: power hungry whiners complaining about 'leaders'?
06:50.31WobWorkThunder_Child: Also, since when did objects have to -think- to have a valid dimensional location?
06:50.43WobWorkmy shadow is a 2D object
06:50.54WobWorkwhether it thinks or not
06:51.03Thunder_ChildWobWork: that seems petty, even for wow players
06:51.27WobWorko.O
06:51.32WobWorksay that again? =P
06:51.38NightHawkTheSaneWobWork: i think his point is that thinking means you cant be a shadow
06:51.56WobWorkwhy not? A shadow isn't a defining definition
06:51.58NightHawkTheSanewhich i disagree with, but dont care enough about to continue the discussin, because i'm tired and have kind obnoxious heartburn
06:52.00WobWorkit's a descriptive one
06:52.06NightHawkTheSanekind of*
06:52.24WobWorkpours pepto down NightHawkTheSane's throat
06:55.45*** join/#wowuidev smcn (smcn@c-174-52-39-78.hsd1.ut.comcast.net)
06:58.10NightHawkTheSanethanks. :) i think thats the last time i have super spicy baked sweet potato fries along with a steak that i made with a sauce that had 2 whole cloves of garlic.. and a couple small green onions
06:58.34Thunder_Childmmmmm...garlic steak
06:58.41JerubNightHawkTheSane: do you always have a sauce with your steak?
06:58.49Jerubwhen i cook it myself i very rarely do.
06:58.57NightHawkTheSanenot always
06:59.05NightHawkTheSanethis time i wanted one, though :P
06:59.25NightHawkTheSaneit was just a cube steak though, so not exactly an amazing cut
07:01.40*** join/#wowuidev smcn (smcn@c-174-52-39-78.hsd1.ut.comcast.net)
07:12.53*** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (~Vilkku@88.193.199.46)
07:15.33*** join/#wowuidev elite3vil (Taladris@c-24-61-238-244.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
07:15.34*** join/#wowuidev elite3vil (Taladris@unaffiliated/elite3vil)
07:15.34*** join/#wowuidev smcn (smcn@c-174-52-39-78.hsd1.ut.comcast.net)
07:16.49*** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (~dashkal@S0106001217d8177c.vf.shawcable.net)
07:16.49*** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (~dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal)
07:23.36*** join/#wowuidev Jiminizer8 (~jiminizer@152.105.165.179)
07:25.42*** join/#wowuidev airtonix (~airtonix@ppp118-210-144-201.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net)
07:28.47*** join/#wowuidev elite3vil (Taladris@c-24-61-238-244.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
07:28.47*** join/#wowuidev elite3vil (Taladris@unaffiliated/elite3vil)
07:30.48*** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@pool015.vpn.uni-saarland.de)
07:30.49*** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano)
07:41.50NightHawkTheSane*blink*
07:41.50NightHawkTheSane(908):
07:41.51NightHawkTheSaneI'm eating my dinosaur chicken nuggets in the order they would die in the food chain.
07:42.09NightHawkTheSanehttp://www.textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-13350.html
07:45.29*** join/#wowuidev Schnaks (~Schnaks@p5486B2C9.dip.t-dialin.net)
07:46.52*** join/#wowuidev Wobin (~Wobin@124-168-153-130.dyn.iinet.net.au)
07:48.17*** join/#wowuidev zenzio (~zenzio__@85.19.77.194)
07:51.17*** join/#wowuidev svenadh (~sven@L0.moenchengladbach01.fdknet.de)
08:01.49*** join/#wowuidev digmouse (~chatzilla@124.205.157.50)
08:02.05*** join/#wowuidev Repo (~supybot@repos.curseforge.net)
08:08.37*** join/#wowuidev Srosh (~Srosh@c210099.adsl.hansenet.de)
08:10.32*** join/#wowuidev Repo (~supybot@repos.curseforge.net)
08:10.41*** join/#wowuidev amro (~amro@41.102.254.242)
08:22.47*** join/#wowuidev Balreign (~Balreign@ANantes-552-1-60-200.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr)
08:24.35*** join/#wowuidev amro_ (~amro@41.102.237.29)
08:28.33*** part/#wowuidev Movix (~Movix@mail.schiffmann.fr)
08:29.47*** join/#wowuidev Kraftman (~kraft@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust25.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com)
08:36.53*** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (~kalroth@0x573f1066.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.hjnqu1.customer.tele.dk)
08:38.50*** join/#wowuidev Kraft (~kraft@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust25.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com)
08:38.58*** join/#wowuidev Hautian (~chatzilla@67.204.217.247)
08:45.17*** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~caleb@BC24BCF6.dsl.pool.telekom.hu)
08:59.23*** join/#wowuidev digmouse (~chatzilla@124.205.157.50)
09:00.59*** join/#wowuidev Fisker (brb@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk)
09:01.34Fiskerrages kd3
09:05.18Kalrothhot
09:05.48*** join/#wowuidev `-FISKER_Q (brb@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk)
09:06.06*** join/#wowuidev Fisker (brb@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk)
09:07.32Fiskeri still rage kd3
09:10.36*** join/#wowuidev soufron (~soufron@did75-14-82-236-19-233.fbx.proxad.net)
09:11.20Fiskerhates kd3
09:13.24Fiskerbtw Wobin
09:13.25Fiskeri did it again
09:16.25WobinYou played with my heart
09:16.28Wobingot lost in the game?
09:17.32Fiskeri hoped you learned your lesson
09:18.12Fiskeranyways lets destroy kd3
09:24.15Fiskerso does anyone know if kd3 sent out his diff file for 3.3.2?
09:26.26amronot yet
09:27.47Fiskerrage
09:27.50Fiskerhe promised and so forth
09:32.55Fiskerslaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout
09:32.57Fiskerlive kd3
09:32.59FiskerLIIIIIIIIIIVE
09:36.34*** join/#wowuidev kraftman (~kraft_@137.44.87.127)
09:40.48*** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys)
09:47.56*** join/#wowuidev krka (krka@bissa.eu)
10:06.51*** join/#wowuidev mojosdojo (~gdbzet26@p4FEFF8BA.dip.t-dialin.net)
10:28.51*** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (~cncfanati@77.60-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be)
10:28.55*** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (~cncfanati@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics)
10:30.30*** join/#wowuidev Kaso (~Kaso@studio.fuzemedia.co.uk)
10:52.00*** join/#wowuidev airtonix (~airtonix@ppp118-210-144-201.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net)
10:53.27DJJeffArkInvintory has an issue with not updating in real time........
10:54.00DJJefffor example if I buy something or sell something it shows up unsorted
10:54.13DJJeffto sort I have to click EDIT MODE on and off
10:54.18DJJefffor it to resort
10:55.08Fiskerkd3
10:59.23*** join/#wowuidev RoboUnhappyKitty (~robotusch@50A2D944.flatrate.dk)
11:07.55Fisker~seen kd3
11:07.57purlkd3 is currently on #wowhead (5h 58m 43s) #wowuidev (5h 58m 43s) #wowace (5h 58m 43s) #wowwiki (5h 58m 43s), last said: 'I'm reminded of that simpsons episode where homer buys everything that plugs into a car cigarette lighter'.
11:11.08*** join/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys)
11:14.24jnwhitehhrm
11:14.27jnwhitehwe didn't get 3.3 today
11:14.39jnwhiteherr
11:14.41jnwhitehwhatever the patc hwas
11:14.44jnwhitehwas tat just to PTR?
11:15.21Fiskerwe got 3.3.2
11:15.36hastetomorrow on eu!
11:16.26jnwhitehoh
11:16.32jnwhitehits only Tuesday
11:16.38jnwhiteh<-- confuzzled.
11:16.39jnwhitehsowwy!
11:17.36hasteI regret not threading my "go through the recovered data and dupe check it, then sort it" script :V
11:22.49jnwhiteh'http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/IHasAHotdog/~3/c71AY-ghSOc/
11:24.04Wobinhttp://www.kinektdesign.com/
11:24.08Wobinwoo
11:24.08*** join/#wowuidev Hjalte (~chatzilla@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk)
11:24.11Wobino.O
11:26.26Wobinjnwhiteh, I love that, out of all the ihaza<x> site posts, there is no violent misspellings in the comments =P
11:27.24jnwhiteh=)
11:28.00hastethe comments on those sites are the main reason I cba to click the links
11:28.08hastethe content just isn't worth the brain damage
11:29.40nevcairielspeaking of 3.3.2, is it confirmed that US got it, then?
11:30.03Fiskeryes
11:35.50Wobinhaste, I normally try -very- hard to resist scrolling down =P
11:37.15haste:P
11:44.51*** join/#wowuidev amro (~amro@41.102.237.29)
11:48.42Fiskerhow does one unpack the patcher again?
11:48.56*** join/#wowuidev amro_ (~amro@41.102.230.78)
12:03.41FiskerAdys what do you use for mpq extraction/viewing?
12:22.25Fiskeryay
12:22.40FiskerERR_PARTY_LFG_BOOT_COOLDOWN_S = "You must wait %s before initiating another player kick.";
12:22.41FiskerERR_PARTY_LFG_BOOT_DUNGEON_COMPLETE = "Players cannot be kicked after the instance is complete.";
12:22.41FiskerERR_PARTY_LFG_BOOT_IN_COMBAT = "Players cannot be kicked while in combat, or shortly after combat.";
12:22.48FiskerERR_PARTY_LFG_BOOT_LOOT_ROLLS = "Players cannot be kicked during loot rolls.";
12:22.49Kalrothold
12:22.54Fiskerscrew you Kalroth
12:23.04Fiskerverbosity ftw
12:23.17Kalrothyou'll also find a string that shows who sets a raid mark
12:23.47zenzio<Fisker> verbosity ftw <-- I find this ironic
12:23.56Kalrothzenzio: you wouldn't
12:24.01zenzioI would too
12:24.28Fiskerthat i don't like Kalroth
12:25.07Fiskerbut no new battle.net stuff it appears
12:25.08Fisker:(
12:25.11HjalteKalroth: Uh, you can see who does raid marks? muhaha
12:25.19Kalrothyeah, it'll spam in local window
12:25.30HjalteAwesome
12:25.39*** join/#wowuidev xilcoy (~xilcoy@59-115-97-55.dynamic.hinet.net)
12:25.42zenziono-one ever reacted when I put a raid marker on Supremus
12:25.52KalrothI guess it is to counter the 5-man spamming
12:25.57Fiskeriomg
12:26.00Fiskerbunch of n00bs
12:26.42Fiskerthis is fucked up
12:26.52FiskerI updated to 3.3.2 on my other wow install
12:27.00Fiskerbut it seems like it said "hurr durr" and updated the other as well
12:27.21Fiskerbut didn't do it properly
12:28.31Fiskerweird
12:28.34Fiskerdidn't even do that
12:28.41Fiskerah
12:28.42Fiskeri suck
12:29.40Kalrothsee, when we leave you alone you figure it out yourself
12:29.56Fiskeri always do
12:51.26*** join/#wowuidev pompy (~Mike@c-68-38-45-3.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
12:59.23*** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@pool048.vpn.uni-saarland.de)
12:59.24*** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano)
13:10.29*** join/#wowuidev boshi23 (~chris@c-68-36-37-83.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
13:18.01*** join/#wowuidev amro__ (~amro@41.102.185.141)
13:24.42*** join/#wowuidev msoul (~msoul@meridian.sosdg.org)
13:27.02*** join/#wowuidev Ancu (~c@ppp4.pm3-5.man-ch.nh.localnet.com)
13:34.17AncuHigh speed is coming! High speed is coming!
13:35.33Grumtmi :(
13:36.21Ancuthose are Os, not Us. -_- get your mind out of the gutter.
13:37.05GrumOs Us? /confused
13:38.29zenzioAncu's dirty mind made him think you were talking about something else
13:39.13*** join/#wowuidev Zyn (~zyn@h243n2-av-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com)
13:39.58AncuThats what all my friends would mean. But they usually say "God! I hope not!"
13:40.45*** join/#wowuidev Hautian (~chatzilla@142.51.153.127)
13:47.51Grumi'd still love to have it explained :D
13:48.28Ancugo ask a school health teacher
13:52.26*** join/#wowuidev Balreign_ (~Balreign@ANantes-552-1-60-200.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr)
13:52.26*** join/#wowuidev soufron (~soufron@did75-14-82-236-19-233.fbx.proxad.net)
13:54.05*** join/#wowuidev mojosdojo_ (~gdbzet26@p4FEFCDA3.dip.t-dialin.net)
13:54.28*** join/#wowuidev Kraps (~chatzilla@ool-44c20717.dyn.optonline.net)
13:55.35Krapsthe Valithria Dreamwalker fight looks interesting
13:56.09*** join/#wowuidev soufron (~soufron@did75-14-82-236-19-233.fbx.proxad.net)
13:59.02Fiskernahuh Kraps
13:59.22*** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (~Lopeppepp@141.222.29.18)
13:59.22*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ
14:00.07Krapscool story brosiedon
14:02.00zenziohai peppy
14:02.57KrapsIn addition, the threat caused by Shield Slam has been increased by 30%.
14:08.18LopeppeppyMorning, zenzio.
14:10.32*** join/#wowuidev alestane (~nevin@c-66-30-209-28.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
14:10.33*** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ
14:11.26*** join/#wowuidev soufron (~soufron@did75-14-82-236-19-233.fbx.proxad.net)
14:14.23*** join/#wowuidev Kaelten (~Kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten)
14:14.23*** mode/#wowuidev [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ
14:14.53*** join/#wowuidev Kaelten (~Kaelten@67.23.21.108)
14:19.32*** join/#wowuidev calrik (~calrik@dsl-220-235-138-33.wa.westnet.com.au)
14:43.32*** join/#wowuidev Hautian (~chatzilla@142.51.152.139)
14:49.01jnwhitehYay, my books arrived!
14:49.14olafskiis it any good? ;)
14:49.26jnwhitehofc!
14:49.27jnwhitehheavy
14:49.29olafski,)
14:49.33jnwhiteh4.8 lbs
14:49.46olafskidid you include something about writing proper commit messages when you commit something?
14:49.55jnwhitehno
14:50.03jnwhitehyou can't teach people to not be stupid =)
14:50.10olafski:(
14:50.39olafskias a practical joke I might have gifted the book to someone with a note to read that particular page.. ,)
14:51.11jnwhiteh:P
14:51.23LopeppeppyYay for the book!
14:51.42olafskiyeah, good job ;)
14:52.20krkasvn commit -m "bumping toc" <-- my favorite!
14:52.33olafskiI like "first version"
14:52.35olafskivery descriptive
14:52.46krkait is actually
14:52.50alestane...don't bump the ToC unless you've actually done something to keep compatibility.
14:53.26cbreaklike... testing it? :)
14:53.40hastehttp://github.com/haste/oUF/downloads *coughs*
14:54.00olafski:D
14:54.04cbreaksome of my addons are mostly unchanged since WoW 2.x
14:54.22olafskiyet nobody would download them if they said 20xxx in the toc ,0
14:54.33alestaneThere is no actual value in my experience to raising the ToC number of an add-on just because it still works.
14:54.55krkaalestane: just verifying that it still works should be enough reason to bump it
14:55.05haste(do note that most of the oUF versions are 3 commits +)
14:55.19alestane...other than not having to deflect user complaints that your add-on hasn't been updated.
14:55.32olafskiindeed
14:55.39krkai, as an addon user, definitely appreciate when tocs are correct on addons, it means that the author atleast claims that it should work with current version
14:55.40olafskiand getting a higher number at the "Downloads: " part
14:55.47*** join/#wowuidev p3lim (~Miranda@85.108.34.95.customer.cdi.no)
14:56.27*** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (~kalroth@0x573f1066.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.hjnqu1.customer.tele.dk)
14:56.55alestaneLet me adjust that: The value of incrementing the ToC when no changes were required is entirely social/perception-based.
14:57.12krkano
14:57.31LopeppeppyThat doesn't mean that there's no value.  Esp. with a fickle fan base, and a donate button.
14:57.53krkathe value is that the end user can distinguish old but possibly working addons from definitely working addons
14:58.06mikmahaste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=240Vq6tIxio
14:58.10amrothat's what he said...
14:58.20olafskispeaking of which, does the toc change with the new patch? gotta commit a new version because I assume it will work ;))
14:58.21alestanekrka: I'd be REAL hesitiant to say that an add-on is "definitely working" just because the ToC is current.
14:58.36olafskialestane: well, at least according to the author it is (should be)
14:58.42krkait SHOULD mean that the author has atleast verified it as much as possible
14:58.54krkai dont know if we can get better than that
14:59.16alestaneA current ToC says that the author has affirmed that it works under the latest release, but the worht of that is totally based on the author's credibility.
14:59.16olafskiI usually look at the amount of comments an addon has and how many downloads the latest version has
14:59.35olafskiif it has a lot of downloads but nobody complaining about it not working I'm confident it might work for me ;0
14:59.52hastemikma: lol, stop motion version
15:00.17mikmahaste: freaking cool :)
15:00.51*** join/#wowuidev Ancu (~c@ppp9.pm3-16.man-ch.nh.localnet.com)
15:01.10cbreakWoW does not load addons with pre 30k tocs
15:01.15hastemikma: mmm, the original is awesome as well :P
15:01.15cbreakI had to update it
15:01.34olafskioh.. warcraftrealms email addresses leaked? :( guess that explains why I'm suddenly getting phishing mails
15:01.57hastemikma: also, I've heard the artist live *rawr*
15:02.03hasteheard/seen
15:02.21mikmahaste: ^^ kekeke
15:02.40hasteshe can't sing out of studio :V
15:02.51mikmaso, she's Katy Perry then?
15:03.11hasteprobably
15:03.42alestanecbreak: I didn't think it considered 20xxxx ToCs incompatible, although it definitely does exclude add-ons with 1xxxx ToC numbers.
15:04.26*** join/#wowuidev Norsken (~xkxaxn@84-217-13-152.tn.glocalnet.net)
15:04.41nevcairielonly 1xxxx are incompatible, for 3.x they (sadly) didnt do it
15:04.56alestanenevcairiel: The changes simply weren't as pervasive.
15:05.12nevcairieli would still prefer a clean cut
15:05.39alestaneFor 2.0 they actually changed what version of Lua they were using, some fundamental language semantics changed.
15:05.53cbreak5.2 is out soon :D
15:05.58haste"soon"
15:06.02alestanecbreak: I don't know if I'd say "soon.
15:06.04hastethey've posted work copies
15:06.09cbreakbefore Duke Nukem FOrever probably
15:06.09hastenot RC's or betas
15:06.19nevcairiel"soon"? did he actually release builds yet?
15:06.24hasteonly work
15:06.29hastework1 and work2
15:07.01mikmahaste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul5txCznMz0 -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDebwTnsud0
15:07.02nevcairielnot like blizzard would upgrade Lua
15:07.23nevcairielwithout a good reason for the change
15:07.29alestaneAnd there's a lot of debate in the community about whether they really want stack-based environments, closure environments, or the currently proposed hybrid (and whether the authors will actually change anything based on that debate).
15:07.47nevcairielso a meta debate on top of the debate!
15:08.14alestanenevcairiel: The changes proposed so far would have very little impact on Blizzard code, with the exception of the secure handler infrastructure, which might actually benefit.
15:08.39nevcairielThe problem is that they would've to port all their changes to a new version
15:08.40alestaneOn the other hand, they might blow up quite a few add-ons.
15:08.50nevcairielthe taint tracking system probably goes deep into Lua itself
15:09.07alestaneIriel knows more about how that works than I do, I think.
15:09.33nevcairielwho knows what 4.0 holds for us in UI
15:09.49nevcairielthey didnt reveal much yet on blizzcon etc, or did i just forget?
15:10.01*** join/#wowuidev amro_ (~amro@41.102.185.141)
15:10.36alestaneThey didn't have a UI panel last year.
15:10.41nevcairielah right
15:11.14alestaneAnd most of the UI-related news has focused on the LFD system and upcoming battle.net integration.
15:11.39nevcairielYeah, and LFD is already out, who knows if battle.net will be with us before 4.0
15:25.11*** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (~Vilkku@88.193.199.46)
15:26.25*** join/#wowuidev EthanCentaurai (~ethan@78.147.232.179)
15:36.18alestaneAnd I'm really about ready to punt some of these people who think the most critical issue with Lua and version 5.2 is the lack of plans to add a 'continue' keyword.
15:36.43*** join/#wowuidev Spellshaper (~Admin@dslb-084-056-250-025.pools.arcor-ip.net)
15:37.56LopeppeppyIt's not?  *blink blink*
15:38.23alestanegives Lopeppeppy some keywords. Nom nom.
15:41.17*** join/#wowuidev Cide (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se)
15:41.17*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ
15:47.32*** join/#wowuidev Jelly__ (~Jelly@99-65-58-27.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net)
15:54.17*** join/#wowuidev ckknight (~ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight)
15:54.17*** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ
16:14.54*** join/#wowuidev amro (~amro@41.102.185.141)
16:19.36*** join/#wowuidev Kaelten (~Kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten)
16:19.36*** mode/#wowuidev [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ
16:20.28cogwheelmmmmmmm C8H10N4O2 omnomnom
16:20.42LopeppeppyYes yes, drink more Mt. Dew.  *poke*
16:20.49alestaneYou have nommable caffiene?
16:20.57alestanesp*
16:21.11cogwheelnot anymore!
16:21.17cogwheelhttp://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3182229&l=d2de8d511c&id=563064469
16:21.31*** join/#wowuidev Ackis (~Ackis@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis)
16:21.43cogwheel*wishes all those weren't empty*
16:21.52*** join/#wowuidev Kaelten (~Kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten)
16:21.52*** mode/#wowuidev [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ
16:21.54alestaneI don't think drinks can technically be nommed.
16:22.05cogwheelponders
16:22.09olafskiyou could freeze them
16:22.11LopeppeppyFreezer = noms
16:22.36cogwheeli should sprinkle caffeine powder on my pasta instead of parm...
16:22.44alestaneolafski: freezing soda => bad idea.
16:22.53olafskiprobably
16:22.58olafskibut you can eat it when you do that ;)
16:22.58cogwheelslurpees are essentially frozen soda
16:23.00alestaneAt least in cans.
16:23.19cogwheelwell, yeah, freezing any liquid insided an air-tight vessel isn't really a good idea ;)
16:23.25olafskiwell yeah, slurpee is probably a good way to go ;)
16:24.27*** join/#wowuidev pompy (~Mike@c-68-38-45-3.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
16:27.00*** join/#wowuidev Odlaw (ozzy@c-98-245-3-204.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
16:29.43*** join/#wowuidev kdtresh (~kdtresh@adsl-75-0-7-96.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net)
16:35.15*** join/#wowuidev amro (~amro@41.102.187.125)
16:36.34*** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (kalroth@d40aa5b8.rev.stofanet.dk)
16:37.00FiskerBlizzard should change weeklies to wednesday on EU servers
16:37.02Fiskerya hear me cogwheel ?
16:38.11*** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (~Vilkku@dsl-tkubrasgw1-ffc7c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi)
16:38.43*** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (~funk@82.111.118.132)
16:38.44*** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (~funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh)
16:43.57*** join/#wowuidev Kraps (~chatzilla@h-67-101-72-26.nycmny83.static.covad.net)
16:47.04Krapsincoming "ding dong the lich is dead" jokes
16:47.55*** join/#wowuidev soufron (~soufron@vol75-1-81-57-79-123.fbx.proxad.net)
16:49.55Fiskeri fart on you kraftman
16:49.57FiskerKraps :(
16:51.10LopeppeppyOh, is it patching day?  Funtimes.
16:51.30Krapstold you i'm a good tank Fisker, dodge ftw
16:51.53FiskerITT: Lopeppeppy didn't know it was tuesday
16:51.57Fiskeralso old
16:52.23LopeppeppyFisker, I knew it was Tuesday, but not that we got new stuff today.
16:52.45Krapslast tuesday wasnt patch day so stfu Fisker
16:54.51*** join/#wowuidev amro_ (~amro@41.102.255.243)
16:55.00kraftmanFisker: :'(
16:57.34*** join/#wowuidev Kaltoran (~kaltoran@d114-78-23-104.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au)
17:01.41Fiskerit was Kraps
17:02.17Krapswas not
17:03.23cogwheelall the stuff they've been changing recently has been server-side no?
17:03.31cogwheelo and FU Fisker <3
17:03.38cogwheelhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1750
17:03.47Fiskerfu u cogwheel
17:08.33Krapscogwheel>"all the stuff they've been changing recently has been server-side no?" thats what a patch is no?
17:09.00cogwheelKraps: generally people only talk about a patch when they have to download something
17:09.23Krapsah
17:09.24cogwheelwhich... apparently we do
17:09.39Kaltoranconfirmed 159 meg worth
17:10.59*** join/#wowuidev Ancu (~c@67.143.148.243)
17:15.41*** join/#wowuidev Shadowed (~Shadowed@li89-205.members.linode.com)
17:17.02*** join/#wowuidev ckknight (~ckknight@69.73.16.202)
17:17.03*** join/#wowuidev ckknight (~ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight)
17:17.03*** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ
17:21.34*** join/#wowuidev Zyn (~zyn@h243n2-av-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com)
17:25.19*** join/#wowuidev Gotai (~Gotai@ip54546435.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl)
17:31.00*** join/#wowuidev Ancu (~c@67.143.148.243)
17:36.51*** join/#wowuidev Zyn- (~zyn@h243n2-av-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com)
17:37.33*** join/#wowuidev amro_ (~amro@41.102.174.209)
17:43.01*** join/#wowuidev amro__ (~amro@41.102.215.107)
17:43.11*** join/#wowuidev Zyn (~zyn@h243n2-av-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com)
17:43.14cogwheelhttp://www.theonion.com/content/video/final_season_of_lost_promises_to
17:46.30*** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (~Vilkku@dsl-tkubrasgw1-ffc7c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi)
17:48.27*** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (~MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower)
17:48.28*** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ
17:49.34Vilkkuis it possible to disable certain keybindings in combat?
17:49.38Vilkkulike the reply button?
17:49.46nevcairielsure, would be possible
17:49.58nevcairielyou just need a addon to do it
17:49.58nevcairiel:d
17:50.06VilkkuI'll make it myself :p
17:50.14Vilkkuhow should I do it?
17:50.22Vilkkujust unbind they key when I enter combat?
17:50.53nevcairieljust listen to the combat events and block the bindings with override bindings or so
17:50.58alestaneI would set an override binding to something else (possibly a null action), but that's me.
17:51.07nevcairielthen we agree
17:51.09nevcairiel:)
17:51.17VilkkuI don't know how to do that :D
17:51.47nevcairiel!api SetOverrideBinding
17:51.48lua_botSetOverrideBinding: Sets an override binding for a binding command (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetOverrideBinding)
17:52.05nevcairieli wonder if there is some simple null action to use
17:52.25nevcairielotherwise you can use SetOverrideBindingClick and create some dummy frame with an empty OnClick handler
17:53.31*** join/#wowuidev amro__ (~amro@41.102.130.239)
17:59.23Krapsi like the prot warrior buffs but the conc blow nerf..... i dont even
18:02.00*** join/#wowuidev amro (~amro@41.102.150.98)
18:02.43AdysKalroth: zezula's mpqedit
18:02.46Adyszezula.net
18:02.48Adyser
18:02.49AdysFisker: *
18:03.02Kalroth@#%&!
18:04.13Fiskerbaw
18:05.25Vilkkunevcairiel, sorry for bothering, but abou SetOverrideBinding(owner, isPriority, "key",  "command")
18:05.31Vilkkuhmm, bad pasting there
18:05.32Vilkkuanyway
18:05.33Vilkkuthe owner
18:05.43nevcairielsome frame
18:05.54Vilkkuright
18:06.04nevcairielyou can use ClearOverrideBindings(owner) again to get rid of all of them at the same time
18:06.12VilkkuI see
18:06.21Vilkkuif not cleared, do they reset at relog?
18:06.26nevcairielyes
18:06.32Vilkkunice
18:06.38Vilkkuare there any other reset conditions?
18:06.42*** join/#wowuidev Zyn- (~zyn@h243n2-av-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com)
18:06.49Vilkkualso, does any part of the blizzard UI use this?
18:07.03nevcairielhm not sure actually
18:08.26alestaneThe Blizzard UI doesn't use override bindings directly, but makes them available to add-ons and secure code.
18:09.09*** join/#wowuidev kraftman (~kraft_@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust25.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com)
18:11.46*** join/#wowuidev Pewpewarrows (~Pewpewarr@c-24-126-106-53.hsd1.dc.comcast.net)
18:11.48*** join/#wowuidev Babelfish (~WinNT@c-68-50-224-114.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
18:14.47*** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (~MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower)
18:14.48*** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ
18:18.13*** join/#wowuidev Teomyr (teo@HSI-KBW-085-216-123-189.hsi.kabelbw.de)
18:19.05*** join/#wowuidev Cairenn (~Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM00194757bc24.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
18:19.06*** join/#wowuidev Cairenn (~Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn)
18:19.06*** mode/#wowuidev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ
18:21.14*** join/#wowuidev Hautian (~chatzilla@142.51.152.139)
18:23.33*** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (~Vilkku@dsl-tkubrasgw1-ffc7c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi)
18:24.10Vilkku<PROTECTED>
18:24.44alestaneChat should clear that override binding.
18:24.47alestaneThat*
18:25.26alestaneSet it to click a dead frame or something.
18:25.31Fiskergentlealestane
18:26.09*** join/#wowuidev EDI (~Shiibot@WoWUIDev/Nospam)
18:26.10*** mode/#wowuidev [+o EDI] by ChanServ
18:27.24*** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~kd3@wikia/kaydeethree)
18:27.36Vilkkualestane, would anything bad happen if I'd set it to the owner?
18:27.55alestaneI don't understand yet what you're asking.
18:28.06VilkkuSetOverrideBinding(Gamamod, true, "R",  "Gamamod")
18:28.40alestaneTo do that, you'd have to write it: SetOverrideBinding(Gamamod, true, "R",  "CLICK Gamamod:LeftButton")
18:29.47VilkkuI see
18:29.53Vilkkunow it actually works, thanks :D
18:30.21alestaneOr SetOverrideBindingClick(Gamamod, true, "R", "Gamamod)
18:30.29alestaneWith that last quote back where it goes.
18:30.30*** join/#wowuidev Dewin (~Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
18:31.08*** join/#wowuidev tekkub (~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub)
18:31.08*** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ
18:32.17Thunder_Childyou know the wow launcher could at least use the default web browser instead of auto using IE
18:32.51LopeppeppyMust use something else on Mac.
18:33.34Thunder_Childsafari i assume
18:33.43Thunder_Childjust iritating thopugh
18:33.49Thunder_Childthough*
18:36.17LopeppeppyLauncher hasn't worked quite right for me for probably the last 5-6 patches, I always launch direct from wow.exe
18:37.00Fiskerthat's what you get for not launching with the launcher
18:37.11Fiskerand it can't Thunder_Child
18:38.16cogwheel|Jelly|: FAIL
18:38.35cogwheelcounts 44
18:47.05Thunder_ChildLopeppeppy: i always launch with wow as well but the launcher automagicly comes up after the patch
18:49.05DagmarOdd.  I don't recall it invoking IE
18:49.26*** join/#wowuidev calrik (~calrik@dsl-220-235-138-33.wa.westnet.com.au)
18:49.27Thunder_Childwell chrome is my default but it launched in IE for me
18:49.31LopeppeppyThen it crashes my WoW, that's not fun.
18:49.40DagmarCan't really remember the last time I clicked on a news link in it tho, either
18:52.30*** join/#wowuidev foxlit (~foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk)
18:55.20Dumanthe launcher has been launching IE for a long time now... (people have been complaining for a long time now, too ;) )
19:00.03DagmarPerhaps we should express our disagreement a different way, perhaps highlighting that IE is currently (and perpetually) being exploited to steal passwords
19:01.17DagmarI bet the reason is the usual tho.  THe launcher is using that jacked up widget version of Ie
19:02.13foxlitYes, but no.
19:02.29foxlitThe actual problem is *Flash* in the widget version of ie.
19:02.53cbreakyou can uninstall flash for IE
19:03.06DagmarUnfortunately you can't really uninstall IE enitrely
19:03.06cbreakit's a different installer from the oner for Firefox/OtherPluginBased
19:03.25DagmarUninstalling IE would be a good way to defeat the "killbits are retarded" vulnerability
19:03.53foxlitIf you click on an actual, honest-to-stuff <a href=""> in the launcher, it'll open your configured browser. Blame Adobe.
19:03.57cbreakgetting a non-windows OS would work :)
19:06.50DagmarIt's getting to the point that I'm seriously considering just yanking all Adobe products off my machine
19:06.55*** join/#wowuidev Keias (~bleh@pool-72-86-106-233.aubnin.fios.verizon.net)
19:07.10*** join/#wowuidev Cairenn (~Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn)
19:07.10*** mode/#wowuidev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ
19:07.27*** join/#wowuidev cyndis (cyndis@v6.kapsi.fi)
19:07.28foxlitDid they acknowledge the tinfoil hat whining about armory feeds yet?
19:08.33*** join/#wowuidev mitchnull (~mitchnull@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu)
19:09.16foxlitHm, "Today, we wanted to give you a heads-up about a new service now in development that will let players access the Auction House directly through the Armory website or Armory App for iPhone or iPod touch."
19:09.27DagmarOh crap
19:09.34foxlitI can has AH bots now?
19:09.38DagmarTruly
19:09.48DagmarSo much for a newb-friendly economy
19:11.19*** join/#wowuidev Aelobin (~Aelobin@88-110-5-41.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com)
19:11.28Dagmarfoxlit: Where are you seeing this news item?
19:11.40foxlithttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22748781945&sid=1
19:11.41Gnarfozbluetracker.
19:12.05*** join/#wowuidev DWSR (~dwsr@unaffiliated/dwsr)
19:12.12DWSRTEH PATCH
19:12.14DWSRSHE IS OUT
19:12.17DWSRthat's what he said.
19:12.28*** join/#wowuidev EthanCentaurai (~ethan@84.13.60.87)
19:12.45Fiskerfuck you blizzard
19:12.46Gnarfozwho'd have expected THAT... what a surprise
19:12.56Fiskeri hope they die in hell
19:13.04Fiskeri don't want their twitter, facebook or iTard shit
19:13.11DagmarThis is just a baaaad idea
19:13.21Legorol|altAH through armory? wow
19:13.24Fiskerand no i skipped "the armory website"
19:13.41Legorol|altthis way you don't have to log on an alt to check AH and make sure your competitors still think you are offline
19:13.52Fiskerno
19:14.03Fiskerthat way you don't have to setup complicated addons and bots to ruin the market
19:14.03DWSRWait, what's going on?
19:14.09Fiskernow accessible through easy xml parsing!
19:14.17GnarfozDWSR: nothing, move along
19:14.42DWSRDid Blizzard make the AH available by XML or something now?
19:14.54Cairenn(2010-02-02 14:09:09) foxlit: Hm, "Today, we wanted to give you a heads-up about a new service now in development that will let players access the Auction House directly through the Armory website or Armory App for iPhone or iPod touch."
19:14.55DagmarNo, but it looks like they're planning to
19:15.06DagmarThis is a spectactularly bad idea.
19:15.14Legorol|altwow, this just wow: ". It's important to note here that certain elements of the service will be premium-based, which we'll go into more detail on once the service functionality is finalized"
19:15.23Fiskeryeah Dagmar
19:15.37Fiskerthey'll have to start requiring the authenticator for armory at the very least
19:15.46DagmarPretty much the only thing that keeps some people from exercising a dominance of capital and running markets into the ground is the fact that they can't bid/buy without clicking and have to stay logged in
19:15.53Dagmar...with an actual client.
19:16.06Fiskeryep
19:16.06DagmarNot their perl script tied to mysql with various buy/sell orders
19:16.11DagmarCrap
19:16.12Fiskerand even now it's somewhat fucked
19:16.26Gnarfozif they take the risk, they can bot even now
19:16.36Gnarfozbut then... that'd be fucking stupid
19:16.40Legorol|altso, all the anti-automation measures that blizz took about the AH, might go all out of the window
19:16.43DagmarYeah but it keeps the casual botter out at least
19:16.53Gnarfozwe can only hope that "premium" means "microtransaction"
19:17.03DagmarPeople'll be making websites soon to dev AH bots
19:17.04Legorol|altgod, i hope not
19:17.04Gnarfozso you'd go broke IRL if you tried botting it :D
19:17.16FiskerLOL
19:17.18GnarfozLegorol|alt: all the what
19:17.19Fiskerpremium-based
19:17.39DagmarActually, if it were ten cents per bid/buyout, I think that might keep things under control
19:17.43Legorol|altwell, let's wait and see how it'll look like
19:17.46Legorol|altno point speculating just yet
19:17.46GnarfozLegorol|alt: you can automate nearly everything AH-related with normal ingame addons
19:17.54DagmarExcept acutally buying
19:17.58Gnarfozindeed
19:18.00DagmarSomeone's gotta click that
19:18.01Legorol|altGnarfoz: but you need to buy
19:18.03Legorol|altyah
19:18.20Legorol|alti don't remember, does cancelling need a click as well atm?
19:18.24Legorol|altor you can mass-cancel with an addon
19:18.27Gnarfozone for as many auctions as you like
19:18.36Gnarfozwhich is... braindead
19:18.42Gnarfozcould just as well not require one at all
19:18.49Legorol|altGnarfoz: one click for buying a lot, or one click for cancelling a lot?
19:18.55*** join/#wowuidev Kraps (~chatzilla@h-67-101-72-26.nycmny83.static.covad.net)
19:18.55Gnarfozthe latter, you didn't ask the former.
19:19.02Legorol|altright
19:19.05Gnarfoz^^
19:19.11Legorol|altyou could've just been extending your own statement form earlier
19:19.16Legorol|alti was factoring in IRC-lag ;)
19:19.17DagmarCancelling a pile of auctions isn't exactly something one can easily use to make a profit
19:19.42Legorol|altDagmar: it is my understanding that serious cutthroats use mass cancelling and reposting
19:19.53Legorol|alteven on gems, where there is a deposit
19:20.00DagmarYes, because they're trying to fool people's Auctioneer
19:20.04Legorol|altthe gem market has a lot of cancel-and-repost-lower wars afaik
19:20.17DagmarOh yeah
19:20.38Gnarfozglyph market has it, too
19:20.39Gnarfoz:(
19:20.51DagmarI thought you were talking about the few folks I've seen attempting to trick data miners by posting a bunch high and then cancelling them so it looks like they sold
19:20.51Legorol|alti always thought that on gems that's too expensive (because of deposit being several golds), but apparently not
19:21.12Legorol|altDagmar: nah, i meant the undercutting wars
19:21.19GnarfozLegorol|alt: it still is, but they're probably doing it to ruin the morons who don't notice how much money they're losing
19:21.26DagmarLegorol|alt: On a *bad* day there's 20g margin per gem just to buy an uncut epic from the AH, cut it, and throw it back in
19:21.29Gnarfozi.e. it's people with enough money already, doing it
19:21.40DagmarI keep hassling my guild mates about it and I finally just started making my gf do it
19:21.43*** join/#wowuidev Seerah (~Ryan@c-76-107-191-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net)
19:21.43*** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ
19:21.56Legorol|altDagmar: on epic gems, there's 20g margin for cutting?
19:22.18Legorol|alton my realm there's less than 10g usually, so i really have to make sure it sells ont he first auction, or the deposit eats up the profit
19:22.19DagmarIf I gotta listen to her gripe and whine about how "hard" it is to level, she needs to stop being stupid about it and make some money
19:22.28Legorol|altoops i don't mean deposit, i mean AH cut
19:22.35DagmarLegorol|alt: Not on just any gem but ther'es generally several
19:22.46Legorol|alton my realm, after the AH cut, there's only about 5-6g profit left
19:22.55Legorol|altthat's if you buy the raw, cut and repost
19:23.01DagmarThat'll probably disappear rather quickly if they start allowing AH bots over the internet
19:23.03Legorol|altso deposit really eats into that
19:23.15Gnarfozindeed, buy, cut, post is not profitable for gems on my realm either
19:23.16Dagmar5g for how many minutes' work tho
19:23.16Legorol|altso i'm surprised about the 20g margin
19:23.35DagmarI've been tracking the epics on my server for a couple months now
19:23.46Legorol|altDagmar: well considering the amount of JC activity on my realm, you can't sell more than a few of each cut
19:23.55Legorol|altwhich means i have to choose and cut many different types
19:24.00Legorol|altwhich takes time, so i don't usually bother
19:24.01Dagmarit's capital-heavy in that you wind up with a bunch of gems "in the pipe" but buying them low and then selling them low after cutting them is making a profit for me
19:24.13Legorol|alti don't mind the capital
19:24.23Legorol|altbut the turnover is bad for me at the 5-6g profit level :(
19:25.29DagmarI still haven't got a good way to visualize the time of day price shifts tho.  :/
19:25.51DagmarWTB 3D monito
19:25.53Dagmarr
19:26.11Legorol|altbtw, am i the only one annoyed about the new 3D character portrait thing on armory?
19:26.19DagmarWhy does it annoy you?
19:26.21Legorol|alti want the page to load fast and give a quick 2D image but i don't see an option
19:26.39DagmarOh
19:26.39Legorol|altalso, it's taking up valuable page space where in the past stats used to be
19:27.55Legorol|altDagmar: one way to visualize time-of-day shifts is something like this. Chop up your data set into four subsets, like 0-8, 8-16 etc.
19:28.06Legorol|altthen just plot four line graphs in four different colours on top of each other
19:28.31Legorol|altlol, and i meant 0-6, 6-12, 12-18, 18-24 ;)
19:29.28DagmarI'm actually not using line graphs
19:29.55GnarfozMarketWatcher <3 :D
19:30.16*** join/#wowuidev NeoTron (~neotron@pool-173-64-144-162.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net)
19:30.16DagmarI've been super-stubborn about it have been preparing to export colored triangles to POVray
19:30.18*** join/#wowuidev amro_ (~amro@41.102.210.188)
19:31.13Gnarfoz<+Legorol|alt> i want the page to load fast and give a quick 2D image but i don't see an option <-- open the page via https
19:31.17Gnarfozit will break the 3d viewer
19:33.24DagmarLegorol: I'm not sure how useful it comes out to be since the granularity of my data sucks, but it seems like a, well... "simple" is a bad word for this, method for visualizing is just to snake the data around a tube
19:33.46DagmarDistance from center = price, width of section = volume of transactions
19:33.57DagmarThat way time of day lines up
19:34.52*** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (~Lopeppepp@141.222.29.18)
19:34.52*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ
19:35.12|Jelly|tackles Peppy!
19:35.16Lopeppeppyhas a very tired!
19:36.59DagmarI *suppose* I should stop being thick and look around for a VRML client
19:41.00*** join/#wowuidev jacobeiting (~jacobeiti@phy-dhcp-34-254.mps.ohio-state.edu)
19:42.10KrapsLFD + heirlooms fragment questing more than ever
19:49.17cogwheelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHL6L9i2AWA
19:50.28*** join/#wowuidev Jiminizer8 (~jiminizer@152.105.165.179)
19:51.46DWSRKraps: Yeah.
19:51.48DWSRI've noticed that.
19:53.10*** join/#wowuidev Gryphon (~gryphon@c-71-227-239-71.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
19:53.31*** join/#wowuidev Mysticell (~nick@cpe-65-189-204-138.neo.res.rr.com)
19:54.17KrapsDWSR: so i go to areas where there are a lot of quests nearby e.g. nesingwarys camp, and do them while i wait for lfd to pop
19:54.35DWSRKraps: Problem on my DK is that it's 76.
19:54.45DWSRAnd you can do the intro quests to Sholazar at 76.\
19:55.01DWSRBut then you need to be 77 after about the first dozen or so, so all the quests dry up and you're either required to grind or LFD.
19:55.22DWSRThe whole experience has become so fragmented that I wonder why I bother and don't just level using LFD/BGs entirely.
19:55.50*** join/#wowuidev amro_ (~amro@41.102.168.122)
19:57.00Krapsgets repetitive if its a short dungeon
19:57.17DWSRThey're all short.
19:57.27*** join/#wowuidev Schnaks (~Schnaks@p5486EAC3.dip.t-dialin.net)
19:57.37Krapsi'm still in the old world :)
19:58.21DWSRah
19:58.48DWSRLeveling in STV?
19:58.59Krapsye
19:59.11DWSRPvE server obviously.
19:59.30Krapslol yeah
19:59.45DWSRGanking gets so bad during prime time on my server.
19:59.49DWSRfucking awful.
20:01.39Krapsi just moved to join lunessa's guild, been on pvp servers only before that
20:01.52LopeppeppyYay, Grounding Totem!
20:02.11DWSRDagmar, do you mean an X3D client?
20:02.14Krapswoot!
20:08.04Fiskerthat was awesome cogwheel
20:08.24*** join/#wowuidev nifty (~nifty@ti0186a340-0557.bb.online.no)
20:10.06DagmarDWSR: Anything that doesn't suck horribly
20:10.34*** join/#wowuidev Repo (~supybot@repos.curseforge.net)
20:11.22DagmarIn the past when I've gone looking for something to render constructed data they've either been horrribly, horribly unfriendly, slow as balls, or visually hideous looking like they're using 8bpp directX software dithering
20:12.01DagmarIt should tell you something that I'm actually willing to export to POVRay
20:16.05FiskerIT'S AWESOME COGWHEEL
20:16.19cogwheelI NO RITE!?
20:18.24Krapswhat is it? by the time my work pc loads it it'll be time to go home
20:20.56*** join/#wowuidev ckknight (~ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight)
20:20.56*** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ
20:20.57cogwheelKraps: it's a guy getting totally rejected on one of those "invest in my product" reality shows for being a total douche
20:22.54alestaneThe Shark Tank, or some other show?
20:23.18Krapsi saw the depressing one where the guy was working for 30 years (wtf) on a table tennis/hockey game
20:23.47Krapssold everything to invest in the game
20:23.55Krapsor something
20:24.37DagmarDidn't realize people already had those
20:25.29cogwheelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHL6L9i2AWA
20:25.37cogwheelalestane: ^
20:26.13cogwheelalso: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/final_season_of_lost_promises_to (for anyone who missed it earlier)
20:27.46Krapsare lost fans annoying
20:27.53cogwheel(which i just posted in response to a FB status "happy LOST THE FINAL SEASON day!")
20:27.54Kraps?
20:28.57DagmarHere's an idea... Maybe this season they'll actually advance the plot
20:29.03Krapsis it true that they didnt expect it to get so huge and were kind of winging the story?
20:29.24Dagmaryes.
20:29.46DagmarI suspect they fed a bunch of super-geniuses notropics for the fourth season
20:29.53Dagmarer nootropics
20:30.10LopeppeppyPlot?
20:30.14LopeppeppyThey have plot?
20:30.19DagmarMost of that whole first season they were just making things up as they went along, with no thought to how they were going to resolve anything
20:30.23LopeppeppyPlot we've got, quite a lot...
20:30.31Lopeppeppygoes off humming Danny Kaye tunes.
20:30.33KrapsDagmar: i never watched either show but i'm expecting a sopranos ending :D
20:30.43DagmarThey pretty much admitted it shortly after the end of hte first season, and then got really freaked out about this during season two
20:30.45alestane"New law requires woman to name baby, paint nursery before getting abortion."
20:31.00NightHawkTheSanemaybe its just me, but i kind of prefer my shows where the whole thing was basically planned before the show even aired.
20:31.05LopeppeppySweet, so what does the GUY have to do to prevent him from spawning, alestane?
20:31.26DagmarKraps: Well, they spent the entire last season practically doing flashback episodes non-stop, since _it had already happened years in the past_
20:31.26alestaneIt's another Onion story, Peppy, you can ask them.
20:31.42nevcairielI liked how BSG went its natural ending without being bothered to insert a dummy season for the moneyz
20:31.56Lopeppeppy... don't get me all riled with Onion stories, alestane.  Redhead temper is on hair trigger lately, I almost blasted ya.
20:31.57nevcairielnot like B5 back in the days, which quickly inserted a new season
20:32.07DagmarBut like, the people who came up with somewhat believable explanations for all the crazy made-up crap like "the black smoke"... those people are freaking GENIUSES
20:32.17NightHawkTheSanenevcairiel: b5 was a fuckup, it was always meant to be 5 seasons. ><
20:32.25DagmarFourth season was incredible to watch them tidy everything up
20:32.27LopeppeppyDagmar, those people used to watch the X Files.  *nod*
20:32.28nevcairielbut the 5th season sucked
20:32.30DagmarFifth season, screw it
20:32.40Dagmarhehe
20:32.57nevcairielthey story was over after the 4th season .. and what do they do, move the last episode of 4th to the end of 5th and produce some new story
20:33.02DagmarFrom a book-geek standpoint, the way they sewed up the plot holes was phenomenal
20:33.15NightHawkTheSanenevcairiel: it did, largely because JMS had to clean everything up at the end of season 4 because he thought the show was cancelled so when he got his 5th season back.. it was like, well shit, i guess i have a few plot lines i didn't use yet.
20:33.30nevcairielon the black smoke, they ever explained that properly?
20:33.34DagmarThat would explain why he advanced the plot about an inch
20:33.37nevcairieli must've missed that
20:33.53Dagmarnevcariel: The black smoke is actually an aspect of Set sitting in judgement
20:33.58cogwheelOMG U GAIS RNT SUPOZD 2 STRT TALKING ABAUT IT!!!
20:34.01DagmarThink of it as instant karma
20:34.14nevcairielbut that one dude could control it
20:34.15nevcairielsomehow
20:34.21DagmarWhich dude?
20:34.28nevcairieli forgot his name
20:34.31DagmarBen?
20:34.32nevcairielthe leader of the "others"
20:34.34nevcairielyea
20:34.37LopeppeppySmoke Causing Man.
20:34.45DagmarYeah, Ben-who-shouldn't-be-trusted.
20:34.57DagmarHe couldn't control it, he could only make it come out.
20:35.07DagmarKinda like having a very long stick to shove into a beehive
20:35.11nevcairielheh
20:35.25Dagmar...and bees that drag out off to the land of the dead.
20:35.31Dagmars/out/you/;
20:35.39Krapsbut its a very popular show, why?
20:35.47nevcairielpossibly because it is so crazy
20:35.50DagmarHot chicks, hot guys.
20:35.54DagmarCrazy-ass plots.
20:36.01LopeppeppyCliffhangers
20:40.04NightHawkTheSaneit pretends to have an actual complex plot that engages the audience and requires some semblence of thought
20:40.31NightHawkTheSaneby attempting to play to the apparent intelligence of its audience, it gets attention, and fans, as not merely another idioic sit-com.
20:41.03LopeppeppyI think it's the rapid death rate and the nakedness.
20:41.24NightHawkTheSanecan you -maybe- have my little bit of hope for humanity? :P
20:41.28NightHawkTheSanecries
20:42.42LopeppeppyDarlin', sweetie, snookums dearest.
20:42.55LopeppeppyHell.  Handbasket.  Taking a ride.  Way down south.
20:43.30KrapsNightHawkTheSane: i think plot holes that are big enough for the 5th Fleet to sail through qualifies as "an actual complex plot that engages the audience and requires some semblance of thought" :p
20:44.20Krapsit requires thought
20:44.28NightHawkTheSanewell, note where I also said "pretends"
20:48.19Shiriktime for some fun
20:49.21LopeppeppyTIME FOR FUN!
20:51.03Arrowmasterive still never even seen a single episode of that show and dont really plan to watch any
20:51.56*** join/#wowuidev Balreign (~Balreign@ANantes-552-1-60-200.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr)
20:53.21DagmarKraps: You must have missed the 4th season where they actually managed to tie all those loose ends into an entire serape
20:53.39durcyndid you just make up a word
20:53.51DagmarWho what?
20:54.21KrapsDagmar: never seen it
20:54.22durcynoh, you were making a blanket joke, nevermind
20:54.36DagmarBlanket joke?
20:54.43Krapsthe show
20:54.45*** join/#wowuidev mascondante (~mascondan@user110.tccc.cc.nc.us)
20:54.49DagmarNo, I was actually talking about those big yarn ponchos the mexicans wear
20:55.36DagmarI was impressed they managed to do that many loose ends up at once without resorting to some guy with a pointer in front of a bunch of powerpoint slides
20:56.53Dagmar...although the Dharma Init. training films were pretty close to that.
20:57.21mikmaoh ffs
20:59.14Shirikinc spam
20:59.16Shiriksorry in advance
20:59.19*** mode/#wowuidev [-bbb *!*@dhcp-077-250-183-035.chello.nl FaTThAcKeD!*@* macca-!*@*] by Shirik
20:59.19*** mode/#wowuidev [-bbb *!*@1-1-2-27a.gbdn.gbg.bostream.se *!*@checkout@d154-5-187-7.bchsia.telus.net *!*@79-67-3-11.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] by Shirik
20:59.19*** mode/#wowuidev [-bbb *!*DMTM@* *!*chatzill@74.85.13.* *!*@202.128.222.225] by Shirik
20:59.19*** mode/#wowuidev [-bbb *!*@scott@cpe-67-11-174-209.satx.res.rr.com *!*.*@195.252.78.195 *!*.*@195.252.78.195] by Shirik
20:59.19*** mode/#wowuidev [-bbb *!*@200.222.46.46 *!*@cpe-76-170-208-13.socal.res.rr.com *!*@scott@cpe-67-11-174-209.satx.res.rr.com] by Shirik
20:59.20*** mode/#wowuidev [-bbb *!*@ool-182f2d46.dyn.optonline.net *!*@c-67-171-210-54.hsd1.or.comcast.net *!*@200.222.46.46] by Shirik
20:59.20*** mode/#wowuidev [-bbb *!*@d36-140-49.home1.cgocable.net *!*@CPE0012170da61f-CM001bd7cbde3a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com *!*@67.196.136.190] by Shirik
20:59.21*** mode/#wowuidev [-bbb *!*@cpe-173-88-181-127.neo.res.rr.com *!*@122.111.223.97 *!*@bas2-hull20-1279359854.dsl.bell.ca] by Shirik
20:59.21*** mode/#wowuidev [-bb *!*@host81-141-239.170.wlms-broadband.com *!*@ip70-171-175-152.om.om.cox.net] by Shirik
20:59.33*** join/#wowuidev sancus (~nnone@67.196.136.190)
21:00.06Fiskerslaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout
21:00.12ShirikFisker stop being bad
21:00.14Fiskerdamnit del buono
21:00.48*** mode/#wowuidev [+b *!*@67.196.136.190] by Shirik
21:00.51*** part/#wowuidev sancus (~nnone@67.196.136.190)
21:02.03NechcknYikes...  even worse than the show - http://lostgame.us.ubi.com/
21:02.30Dagmaryuck
21:03.03LopeppeppyIs this like those Myst games I never could stand?
21:03.47Dagmar"Welcome to a land everyone else found so boring they moved away years ago."
21:04.17NechcknAzeroth?
21:04.32mitchnull:)
21:04.47DagmarNo... just most of the places Myst happens in
21:04.58DagmarYou find lots of evidence that people lived there at one point
21:05.15Dagmar...but by the time you get there, they've all gotten bored and abandoned the place.
21:05.23NechcknTrue, just like Azeroth.  =)
21:05.37Dagmar...probably for someplace warmer with doors that open JUST BY TURNING ONE HANDLE.
21:06.19NechcknI was not a big Myst fand... know a lot of folks who like/liked 'em but was busy with silly life at the time.
21:06.44NechcknAnd going back to play old games now is mighty painful.
21:06.55*** join/#wowuidev Sajaki (~Sajaki@91.177.145.168)
21:07.32NechcknUnless there is a "Mario" or "Sonic" in the title, of course.
21:07.55hastesystem shock 2!
21:07.57hasteso worth it still
21:09.01hastethen again.. I mostly play old games :V
21:11.44NechcknWell , I played a bunch of text-based games that I liked, then basically took a hiatus, other than Arcade visits, so missed quite a few in-between there.
21:15.16NechcknOh.. and Tunnels of Doom on the TI, but that barely counts as having graphics.
21:15.38*** join/#wowuidev SNiLD (snild@a91-153-155-143.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
21:16.34LopeppeppyRogue.
21:20.07NechcknBTW... what is up with "All healing abilities (including items such as potions) will be decreased in effectiveness by 10% when in Battlegrounds, Arenas, or Wintergrasp. " ?
21:20.48NechcknFinally going to stop trying to balance instanced PVP with PVE, et cetera?
21:21.05LopeppeppyThey did something balancing with Resilence, is what the blues on the forum are saying.
21:21.22NechcknAh.. gotcha, gotcha.  Wasn't sure.
21:21.37NechcknI was hoping for the other, though.
21:21.47tempvp healing nerf makes disc priests amazing
21:23.09*** join/#wowuidev isman (~drag@mlr78-3-88-162-68-235.fbx.proxad.net)
21:24.33ShirikOk regex gurus, I have a fun one for you
21:24.39ShirikThis is going to really challenge your knowledge
21:24.46Lopeppeppybecause it doesn't change shields, just heals.  :)
21:25.00ShirikWe'll take it one step at a time. Let us assume we want to match everything on the home row of the keyboard. Easy. [asdfghjkl;]
21:25.39ShirikStep 2: We want to match two letters, but the letters must be distinct, and both on the home row. We would think ([asdfghjkl;])([asdfghjkl;]) where \1 != \2 but we want to do it in one regex
21:25.44ShirikHow can we ensure \1 != \2
21:26.31FiskerShirik
21:26.49foxlitShirik: negative look-ahead
21:27.20temor be repetative and give every posibility
21:27.53temsince it's a smallish space, that wouldn't be THAT bad
21:27.56NightHawkTheSane([asdfjkl;])([^\1]) or something like that, yeah?
21:28.21NightHawkTheSaneer, not quite
21:28.39foxlit"For example /foo(?!bar)/ matches any occurrence of ``foo'' that isn't followed by ``bar''."
21:28.42ShirikBut [^\1] doesn't work
21:28.45Shirikthat's where the problem is
21:29.00Shirikthat means "doesn't match hex 1"
21:29.03Shirikwell, octal 1
21:30.32temwell
21:30.35DagmarTHat's because you're not using regexps is my guess
21:30.45teman actual REGULAR expression can't have lookahead at all
21:30.50temso
21:31.00tem(because then it wouldn't be context free)
21:31.10Shirik([asdfghjkl;])(?!\1)([asdfghjkl;])(?!\1|\2)([asdfghjkl;])(?!\1|\2|\3)
21:31.12Shiriketc. etc.
21:31.14foxlitperl regex is not regular anyway
21:31.15Shirikseems to be right?
21:31.17NightHawkTheSane^ true. and some parsers support various types of \n for referring to previous patterns in the match.
21:31.29NightHawkTheSanebut yeah, what foxlit was gettinga t.
21:31.31Arrowmasteryeah maybe you should define what exactly you are using, posix? pcre?
21:31.35Shirikpcre
21:31.59Shirikthis is going to be so repetitive :(
21:32.32foxlitDoes it work, though?
21:32.58foxlitThere were some limitations on the kinds of stuff you could put in look-behind assertions, but I don't quite recall if they also apply to look-ahead.
21:33.00Dagmar[^\1] _should_ work fine for pcre afaik
21:33.46NightHawkTheSanecourse, thats not precisely what he wants.
21:34.32DagmarMight be time to think about using two regexps instead of one completely gnomic one
21:35.32DagmarJust because you can compute the escape velocity of the space shuttle destined for Pluto in one regexp doesn't necessarily mean you should
21:36.54ZorbaTHutthis is the point where I just wouldn't use regexps :P
21:39.10ShirikYeah whatI really want is something like [asdfghjkl;^\1] which totally should be valid imo
21:40.02DagmarIn your opinion
21:41.06DagmarI was of the impression the match is either negated or not, which is why carat goes at the front of the sequence
21:41.19NightHawkTheSane^
21:41.35NightHawkTheSanea carat after the first character is a literal carat.
21:43.19*** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (~Creek@67-197-1-37.rh1.dyn.cm.comporium.net)
21:44.05ShirikI figured out a good solution
21:44.20ShirikI'm satisfied with the responsiveness of (([asdfghjkl;])(?!\1)\s*){15}
21:44.21DagmarBlack magic?
21:46.01NightHawkTheSaneShirik: out of cuiriosity, what's the context/purpose of this?
21:46.16DagmarSomething to make sure future debuggers earn their keep
21:46.20Shirik^
21:46.29Shirikit's for detecting random spam crap
21:47.00ArrowmasterShirik: does that work if the repetition is late in the string?
21:47.18DagmarScrew detecting spam.
21:47.22DagmarFind the spammers, kill them.
21:47.26Shirikyou mean like sdfjlaksdjflkajsdfljkasfffffffffffff ?
21:47.30ShirikIt would match the first part
21:47.35DagmarThere should be a world-wide initiative for this by now
21:47.42ShirikI don't really want to match repetition
21:48.04Arrowmasterthen what are you matching?
21:48.38Shirikjust the sdf part
21:49.18Dagmarffs.  $clueless_promoter sent me back an email telling me how to unsubscribe from a mailing list hosted by a mailing list company I know to be disreputable
21:49.23Arrowmasterok so home row followed by something not in home row
21:57.12DagmarMight be time to go on the warpath about YourMailingListProvider
22:02.30*** join/#wowuidev smcn (smcn@c-174-52-39-78.hsd1.ut.comcast.net)
22:06.54Fisker*sigh*
22:06.59Fiskerbeen doing ICC10 on my rogue since release
22:07.03Fiskerand ICC25
22:07.10Fiskeri finally got my first weapon from ICC10
22:07.12Fisker...a gun
22:07.17durcynheh.  google apps notification about dropping support for ie6.. caught by the postini spam filter
22:07.57ShirikArrowmaster: Not necessarily
22:08.05ShirikI'm really just looking for something that seems like the user slammed on the home row
22:08.09Shirikjsfkajlkadsjlkfdslkjsafdhkladsjlkhgsadj etc.
22:09.22*** join/#wowuidev jacobeiting (~jacobeiti@phy-dhcp-34-254.mps.ohio-state.edu)
22:09.38cogwheelMan: "How do you like your eggs in the morning?" Woman: "Unfertilized"
22:10.53Shiriko.o;
22:14.31*** join/#wowuidev Kraps (~chatzilla@ool-44c20717.dyn.optonline.net)
22:15.20Krapshttp://thisisindexed.com/2010/02/thanks-a-lot-2/
22:21.29*** part/#wowuidev mitchnull (~mitchnull@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu)
22:22.54Shirikpoorly written, but totally true, Kraps
22:23.04ShirikI would just make it a line instead of 2 points
22:23.09Shirikand remove "common" and "rare"
22:26.53Krapsima tweak my prot spec and check out the newness
22:27.39Kraps" none the less" is one word GC, l2english
22:27.57frontendloaderdoes anyone know why I keep losing my combat log events
22:28.04frontendloaderthey stop coming sometimes and I need to fully exit wow
22:29.36Arrowmasterbug
22:29.40*** join/#wowuidev Pneumatus (~WiN@unaffiliated/pneumatus)
22:30.39alestanecogwheel: http://xkcd.com/328/
22:33.23Audibleare there any experiences with 5x moonkins in arena?
22:33.49Krapsthat sounds cool
22:34.13*** join/#wowuidev [SW]Dodge`oFF (dodge@bnc01.remolus.at)
22:34.21*** join/#wowuidev Tuller (~muffins@pool-72-84-246-12.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net)
22:35.11ScytheBlade1Shirik: wai no disc
22:37.27kd3blah. forgot to send off the email before I left for work
22:38.19*** join/#wowuidev [SW]Dodge`oFF (dodge@bnc01.remolus.at)
22:39.01ShirikScytheBlade1: I tolded j00 i eated it
22:39.06Shirikhow about you play aion
22:41.57ScytheBlade1Shirik: because it is faIl. and really, why can't you find it
22:42.04ScytheBlade1*?
22:52.46Dagmardwsr: About two years ago I was trying to set up a virtual datacenter alarms representation using VRML
22:53.06Dagmardwsr: The current crop of VRML clients still fairly suck, being renamed X3D or not
22:54.34Fiskerhey cogwheel!
22:57.11*** join/#wowuidev kraftman (~kraft_@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust25.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com)
23:03.02cogwheelhey Fisker !
23:03.11cogwheeldo you vagazzle your vajayjay?
23:03.12Fiskerhey cogwheel
23:03.22Fiskeri wouldn't know cogwheel
23:03.25Fiskeryeah kd3 you sucked
23:03.41Fiskeryou are now hated with Fisker :(
23:04.00*** join/#wowuidev nifty_ (~nifty@ti0186a340-0557.bb.online.no)
23:04.03Fiskernice that they're fixing all the kick harassment though
23:06.18foxlitwhat the who know?
23:06.27foxlitHow will be ever be able to kick fiskers then?
23:11.16Ancuhow are they fixing it?
23:15.36FiskerAncu you can no longer kick people during loot or if the instance is completed
23:17.19Shirikwhy would you kick someone if the instance is complete?
23:17.53NechcknIf you are a scumbag and want lootz for you and your buddies.
23:18.06Shirikwell the loot part was addressed by the first half
23:18.14Shirik(18:14:37) (Fisker) Ancu you can no longer kick people during loot or if the instance is completed
23:18.52DagmarThey should drop some 3-days on the heads of the people who were engaging in that, just to let them know we care.  ;)
23:18.52Nechckndunno, fella - does the loot window auto-pop as soon as boss drops?
23:19.00ShirikI guess not
23:19.17Dagmaronce that last boss is down the instance is "done"
23:19.23*** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht)
23:19.33ScytheBlade1Shirik: one of these days you'll give me a real answer and I'll stop askin g
23:19.40ScytheBlade1*asking
23:19.44ShirikI said not find I can!
23:19.45NechcknDagmar I'd be supportive of bigger sanctions... not just 3 days.
23:20.01DagmarNechckn: Well, I'm sticking with what's socially acceptable.
23:20.01ScytheBlade1where did you put it last?
23:20.07ScytheBlade1did you even look?
23:20.25kd3wtfs at the armory
23:20.30DagmarPersonally, I'd put their home address, real name, and a picture of them (just so there's no mistaken identity) into a searchable database for people to do some drive-by cream pie-ing
23:20.34ScytheBlade1also, I won't blame you if you don't, but it is $20 on steam
23:21.02ScytheBlade1f w i w
23:21.20NechcknWell.. they were specifically dumping the people to get the crap; sounds like deserving of bigger/better penalties.  But, like they would ever actually dump people...  ;-)
23:21.40DagmarThe disinhibiting effect of internet anonymity would be a lot less disinhibiting if that anonymity evaporated in the presence of trivial, juvenile douchbaggery
23:22.02Fiskerno Shirik you could've just have kicked during combat, or it might not have had to be the end boss
23:22.05DagmarNechckn: Well, they do dump people.  They just wait until it's a quarter million of them so it makes CNN
23:22.14Fiskerbtw Blizzard is pathetic :P
23:22.26FiskerDMCA'ing a movie everyone can go into their data folder and watch themselves
23:22.53FiskerThe fact that they have to mark their territory by making a post about spoilers takes the cake
23:23.00*** join/#wowuidev Aqua (~Aquavette@74-137-178-190.dhcp.insightbb.com)
23:23.01ScytheBlade1Fisker: companies may be evil, but if they don't, they lose copyright
23:23.09FiskerAtleast since noone is actually spoiling everything
23:23.11NechcknDagmar  Not to mention the revenue flowing in, in the mean time.
23:23.23*** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (~Lopeppepp@cpe-67-252-44-53.nycap.res.rr.com)
23:23.23*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ
23:23.27Fiskerhaha no ScytheBlade1
23:23.31Fiskerhas nothing to do with that
23:24.04ScytheBlade1afk shower
23:24.14NechcknScytheBlade1  what are you pimping via Steam?
23:24.16DagmarHmm... I should go look at the patch notes
23:24.23Shiriktackles Lopeppeppy
23:24.37Nechckns/via/within/
23:24.40Lopeppeppycuddles Shirik. Long day was long, it cans be relaxing time now?
23:24.48Shirikyes please :)
23:24.54NechcknEww... my eyes!!
23:25.07Shirikthwacks Nechckn
23:25.10ScytheBlade1RA3, which Shirik owns
23:25.16NechcknLopeppeppy Surely there is someone/thing more deserving!
23:25.19ScytheBlade1and afk
23:25.32jnwhiteh~wowprogramming
23:25.32purlWorld of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com
23:25.34LopeppeppyNo, Shirik protected me from the vast masses of unwashed gamers.  He gets many of cuddles.
23:26.06NechcknHrm.  Trading many for one.  I suppose that is okay, this time.
23:26.23LopeppeppyTrust me, the crowds at Blizcon are... scary.
23:26.50jnwhitehno purl, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com
23:27.00Nechckncan imagine. Too bad tickets have always been such a cluster f*?! to obtain.
23:27.04jnwhiteherr, i'm an idiot.
23:27.17DagmarYa need t-shirts that say "Fear me because I have the power of good hygiene and a job."
23:27.21NechcknWoo!  V2 is out, then, jnwhiteh?
23:27.31jnwhitehyep
23:27.39jnwhitehamazon just isn't sowing it in the search for some reason
23:28.04Lopeppeppyjnwhiteh, is it a McMillan imprint?
23:28.06NightHawkTheSanewas it published by macmillen? :P
23:28.09Nechcknbecause they are The Amazon!  Mortal!
23:29.43Fiskerwho's rick roe?
23:29.59LopeppeppyRead the description.  Fizzwidget!
23:30.06cogwheeljnwhiteh: i think it might be 'cause they think it's not coming out for another 6 days
23:30.19jnwhitehthey have it on-hand
23:30.21jnwhitehso =)
23:30.26cogwheelgogo amazon for not figuring out the connection between in stock and publication date
23:30.33Fiskerwhat functionality did he make that they rolled into the standard ui?
23:30.36LopeppeppyI'm still going with "imprint of McMillan" on this one.
23:30.47Shirik(18:24:36) (+Lopeppeppy) No, Shirik protected me from the vast masses of unwashed gamers. He gets many of cuddles.
23:30.53Shirikbasically what Lopeppeppy is saying is I'm the lesser of many evils
23:31.12LopeppeppyLesser demons get all the lurv.
23:31.18cogwheeljnwhiteh: exactly my point ;)
23:32.28Nechcknhttp://Fizzwidget.com , Fisker
23:33.23Dagmarfeed-o-matic == win
23:33.52Dagmar...if for no other reason than you can configure it to stay out of your kungaloosh materials.
23:34.15FiskerNechckn i know who he is, i'm wondering what he made that made it into the standard ui
23:34.27Fiskeralso Rick Roe is a stupid name!
23:34.45FiskerJust like James Whitehead II!
23:34.46Fisker:D
23:34.46NechcknIf you read the descriptions of the decommissioned AddOns, it goes over that, iirc.
23:35.16Fiskersweeeeeeeeet
23:35.25Fiskerthey just made an update to the nexus one that enables multitouch
23:36.23LopeppeppyI'll be buying the book when the tax returns come back (if I don't owe an arm and a leg this year)!
23:36.55Fiskerwell you can't owe that for many years in a row
23:37.22NechcknAll depends on your access to body parts.
23:37.51NechcknThe tax code does not specify from where said arm and, or, leg must originate.
23:37.56LopeppeppyI'll gladly chop up the ex for this year's taxes if I owe again, he's the reason I owed the last 2 years running.
23:38.37kd3I'm happy. getting a non-trivial refund this year
23:38.46kd3and not, uh... $0.54 or so
23:39.08LopeppeppyI expect a trivial one, if I don't owe, but not owing will be super-nice.
23:39.44kd3+ERR_QUEST_FORCE_REMOVED_S = "The quest %s has been removed from your quest log";
23:39.46kd3ponders
23:40.20*** join/#wowuidev airtonix (~airtonix@ppp118-210-144-201.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net)
23:40.40LopeppeppyHmm.  Sounds deadly
23:40.59Fiskerwhat do you wonder about kd3 ?
23:44.47DagmarLopeppeppy: Have his office's accountant chopped up first
23:45.37*** join/#wowuidev WobWork (~Wobwork@136.136.233.220.static.exetel.com.au)
23:45.44DagmarDamn... Old Kingdom got the nerf bat to the face
23:45.48Nechcknis considering renting out apartment so that KSM can be tried right here in DC.
23:46.05JerubDagmar: hm?
23:46.13WobWorkyeah
23:46.17DagmarElder Nadox only gets *one* guardian per encounter...
23:46.23WobWorkremoved a lot of the pats
23:46.32DagmarJadoga Shadowseeker only rises *once*
23:46.37kd3mainly because it was annoying
23:46.45WobWorkWe can probably zerg OK in about 10min now
23:46.54kd3it's the same for sorrowgrave in UP
23:47.06WobWorkWho on -earth- was having problems with Svala?
23:47.09kd3I've killed her in the air on her second ascent. pointless
23:47.12DagmarI'm for the removal of the pats, but I was under the impression the major point in those fights was that people were expected to demonstrate the ability to swich targets in a timely fashion
23:47.27WobWorkWell jadoga was a bit of a pain
23:47.28kd3she's supposed to ascend 3 times
23:47.30LopeppeppyMaybe it's not about problems, but about making sure people keep moving upward through to new content mroe quickly?
23:47.47DagmarI don't see that these changes really do that
23:47.53WobWorksince sure switching targets, but getting enough dps on the adds was sometimes an issue
23:47.59WobWork(for jadoga)
23:48.05DagmarUnless perhaps the people we're worrying about are both mentally handicapped, blind, and very, very stoned.
23:48.48DagmarIn normal mode I can solo kill her sacrifice victims before they get there
23:48.50FiskerBornakk trolled it best
23:49.04FiskerThey could increase the amount of those phase to a million
23:49.07|Jelly|hugs cogwheel.
23:49.08WobWorkDagmar: normal mode never was the issue =P
23:49.14FiskerBut it isn't your skills that get test but rather your ability to stay awake
23:49.28DagmarWell, I was also under the impression that Heroic modes were meant to be _difficult_
23:49.30FiskerReducing it to one phase makes it less boring, quicker, and doesn't remove the element of skill
23:49.43DagmarNot just something to keep level 80's from being bored sensless
23:49.47WobWorkDagmar: Now where would you  have picked up -that- impression?
23:49.52Fiskerthat design changed from TBC
23:49.57WobWorkAnd it doesn't even do -that-
23:50.11WobWorkThe only reason most 80s do heroics, is triumph, or frost badges =P
23:50.15WobWorknot the -content-
23:50.46DagmarYeah but now you'll have the "lamer" tactic of just biding your time until after she's had her one refill, and *then* gunning her down without interruption
23:50.54cogwheelhugs |Jelly|
23:51.07WobWorkDagmar: yeah, thus the 'nerfing'
23:51.19WobWorkwelcome to 3.0 =P
23:51.28DagmarThat essentially makes it a stupid trash fight with a purple drop at the end
23:51.38FiskerOr you could do the lamer tactic of waiting for all 3 rituals and then gunning her down without interruption
23:51.40WobWorkThat's what every single heroic boss fight is
23:51.50FiskerOr they could just make it percent based so they can't do either
23:51.58FiskerOr they could just not care because it's no longer relevant
23:52.01WobWorkFisker: the only thing that prevented that was the damage bonus she had
23:52.34Fiskeri thought we were talking about svala?
23:52.41DagmarWe've never had a problem killing her adds unless people were slack about switching targets
23:52.42WobWorkno Jaedoga
23:52.52FiskerYou won't survive that with just an adequately geared tank
23:52.56WobWorkwell, at least -I- was
23:53.20WobWorkI dunno about Dagmar =)

Generated by irclog2html.pl Modified by Tim Riker to work with infobot.