| 00:02.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (n=Vilkku@dsl-tkubrasgw1-ffc7c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 00:02.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraftman (n=kraft@cpc2-cwma7-2-0-cust130.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 00:04.18 | alestane | Shirik: Yes. Literally "first of those, second of those, third of those," (more or less literally, anyway). |
| 00:04.23 | bleeter | http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703 NSFW |
| 00:05.19 | alestane | 以ä¸ã§ãã(That is all) is another good one too, that you'll hear a lot. |
| 00:06.08 | Fisker | i want to make out with you bleeter |
| 00:07.18 | Corrodias | hmm. bleeter, does this mean Adobe controls the web now? |
| 00:08.26 | Lopeppeppy | rawr |
| 00:08.31 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 00:08.33 | Lopeppeppy | Might see more of Silverlight. |
| 00:08.37 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Gryphon |
| 00:08.40 | Gryphon | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 00:08.53 | bleeter | Fisker, Corrodias: I hope you both saw pic #4... adobe's saying 'the internet's for porn' lolol |
| 00:09.04 | Fisker | old |
| 00:09.15 | Fisker | i want SC 2 beta nao :( |
| 00:09.39 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: would rather html5/css sort it's shit out |
| 00:09.52 | bleeter | someone buy those 1000 H264 patents plzkthx |
| 00:10.00 | Lopeppeppy | Whyever would anyone sort things out? It's more fun this way |
| 00:10.52 | *** join/#wowuidev ardpa (n=rsltfa@64-252-123-126.adsl.snet.net) |
| 00:10.52 | *** part/#wowuidev ardpa (n=rsltfa@64-252-123-126.adsl.snet.net) |
| 00:10.52 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+rRf #shiibot] by EDI |
| 00:10.53 | EDI | Channel locked temporarily. Time since last lockdown (in minutes): 234 minutes |
| 00:11.00 | durcyn | Lopeppeppy: silverlight? don't make me wish ill upon you. |
| 00:11.15 | Shirik | hrm |
| 00:11.21 | Lopeppeppy | Not looking forward to it either, durcyn. |
| 00:11.26 | Gnarfoz | huh? |
| 00:11.32 | Gnarfoz | shiibot having an identity crisis? |
| 00:11.39 | Shirik | blame DWSR |
| 00:11.44 | durcyn | no, renamed in honor of Mass Effect |
| 00:11.45 | Lopeppeppy | Eddie doesn't like his teddy still. |
| 00:11.47 | Fisker | stop playing ME2 Shirik |
| 00:11.51 | Shirik | Wasn't me |
| 00:11.54 | Shirik | I haven't played ME2 |
| 00:12.03 | Fisker | asdasfasf |
| 00:12.09 | Fisker | COME ON BOT KILL ME |
| 00:12.14 | Gnarfoz | also, does it have some kind of services access these days, or how did it remove that spammer? |
| 00:12.23 | Fisker | EDI fails |
| 00:12.31 | Shirik | didn't do it fast enough |
| 00:12.36 | Gnarfoz | also... why is there no no-ctcps-to-channel mode on freenode? o_O |
| 00:13.21 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-rRf] by Shirik |
| 00:13.22 | Shirik | !reload |
| 00:13.23 | EDI | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 00:13.23 | Fisker | probably gonna get it tomorrow |
| 00:13.26 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:13.30 | Shirik | ... |
| 00:13.33 | Shirik | I'm going to hurt you |
| 00:13.37 | Fisker | THEN DO IT |
| 00:13.48 | Gnarfoz | he's way ahead of you, Shirik ;D |
| 00:13.56 | Fisker | i want to see how that remove works :( |
| 00:13.58 | Gnarfoz | ~fisker |
| 00:13.59 | purl | fisker is, like, the #wowace channel troll. worthless |
| 00:14.02 | WobWork | no point making the threat if not carried out =P |
| 00:14.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Hautian (n=chatzill@67.204.217.247) |
| 00:14.19 | Gnarfoz | purl, fisker is also always one step ahead of the average troll |
| 00:14.20 | purl | Gnarfoz: okay |
| 00:17.48 | Thunder_Child | www.google.com |
| 00:17.56 | zenzelezz | do you now? |
| 00:18.12 | Thunder_Child | heh, if you spam in an emote Shibot wont catch it? |
| 00:18.28 | Thunder_Child | speaking of which....where is he? |
| 00:18.34 | Thunder_Child | s/he/it/ |
| 00:18.38 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 00:19.08 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: scroll up? |
| 00:19.10 | Shirik | !quote NICK :Shiibot |
| 00:19.10 | batbot | Shirik, nick has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 00:19.19 | Gnarfoz | heh., |
| 00:20.50 | Shirik | !quote NICK :EDI |
| 00:20.50 | batbot | Shirik, nick has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 00:21.06 | Shirik | !quote PRIVMSG NickServ :GROUP |
| 00:21.07 | batbot | Shirik, privmsg has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 00:21.14 | Shirik | winrar |
| 00:22.22 | Thunder_Child | EDI = Electronic Defense Initiative? |
| 00:22.28 | Shirik | I don't know |
| 00:22.35 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 00:22.37 | Shirik | DWSR said it was some ME2 reference |
| 00:22.48 | Thunder_Child | dont listen to DWSR |
| 00:23.16 | Thunder_Child | because eveyone will just end up calling it eddie |
| 00:23.44 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 00:23.49 | zenzelezz | but yes, it is an ME2 reference |
| 00:23.58 | Lopeppeppy | Eddie doesn't like his teddy. |
| 00:24.23 | Thunder_Child | if you're naming it after things you should call it GLaDOS, and keep having it try to kill us |
| 00:24.37 | zenzelezz | duh, Skynet |
| 00:24.51 | Thunder_Child | yes, but skynet wins |
| 00:25.00 | Shirik | ! |
| 00:25.01 | Thunder_Child | and skynet is also a net, which shibot isnt |
| 00:25.19 | WobWork | shiibot could totally be a net |
| 00:25.22 | WobWork | I have faith in it |
| 00:25.35 | Shirik | !quote NICK :GLaDOS |
| 00:25.35 | batbot | Shirik, nick has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 00:25.36 | Thunder_Child | Shirik wont even give it more than one thread |
| 00:25.40 | Lopeppeppy | Eddie kicks ass, don't pick on the poor bot. He's still learning. |
| 00:25.47 | Shirik | no more nick changing I guess :( |
| 00:26.12 | NightHawkTheSane | eddie? the computer on the Heart of Gold? |
| 00:26.21 | Lopeppeppy | Eddie, from Rocky Horror. |
| 00:26.33 | Lopeppeppy | "When Eddie said he didn't like his teddy you knew he was a no-good kid." |
| 00:27.25 | bleeter | haha adobe's removed the screenshot |
| 00:27.26 | NightHawkTheSane | it's also the name of the computer on the Heart of Gold in H2G2 |
| 00:28.16 | Thunder_Child | "This is a manufacturing/production work environment. " "Telecommuting is ok." >.< |
| 00:50.31 | DJJeff | is there a Grand Master Herbalist trainer in the Argent Tournament Grounds? |
| 00:50.46 | alestane | I *think* so. |
| 00:50.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i bet there's a tracking for that. |
| 00:51.05 | alestane | I know there's an alchemist trainer. |
| 00:51.13 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: There is, if you're already an herbalist. |
| 00:51.20 | Dagmar | There's one of everything at the tournament grounds, as far as I know. |
| 00:51.36 | DJJeff | my tracking is all messed up |
| 00:51.55 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: well if you're not, you probably should go to org, where the flowers you'll need to pick are ;) |
| 00:52.14 | NightHawkTheSane | (or whatever your starting city of choice is) |
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| 01:07.41 | Karlkoolaide | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.59 | DWSR | depends on the issue |
| 01:08.08 | Karlkoolaide | if its just a question |
| 01:09.01 | DWSR | A few days. |
| 01:09.21 | Karlkoolaide | hmm |
| 01:09.22 | Karlkoolaide | kool |
| 01:09.26 | DWSR | And EDI doesn't like when you play around with her naming parameters. |
| 01:09.29 | DWSR | So FU. |
| 01:09.40 | Karlkoolaide | who me?? |
| 01:09.57 | Karlkoolaide | Whats a naming parameter? |
| 01:10.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (n=Creek@67-197-1-37.rh1.dyn.cm.comporium.net) |
| 01:10.22 | DWSR | Talking to Shirik and T_C |
| 01:10.51 | DWSR | If you don't understand who/what EDI is, don't worry about it |
| 01:11.26 | DWSR | tbh, Shirik should /nick Shepard so that EDI always responds with his nick |
| 01:11.31 | DWSR | Just to complete the reference |
| 01:11.51 | DWSR | anyway, off to get tail. bbl |
| 01:16.11 | Thunder_Child | elephants Cairenn |
| 01:16.18 | Cairenn | hehhe |
| 01:20.03 | Dagmar | Sums it up: http://www.pvponline.com/2010/01/29/a-breach-in-protocol/ |
| 01:20.54 | Dagmar | He actually typoed and mean "Tali". |
| 01:20.58 | Dagmar | Don't get excited. |
| 01:25.37 | Corrodias | shaft johnson. i like that name. |
| 01:28.49 | Adys | Play WAR forever. For free! |
| 01:28.49 | Adys | There has never been a better time to check out WARs Endless Free Trial: |
| 01:28.53 | Adys | PLZ PLAY OUR GAME PLZ PLZ PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
| 01:29.03 | Arrowmaster | whats the catch? |
| 01:29.17 | Adys | i guess limited level or sth |
| 01:29.19 | Arrowmaster | they dont have an expansion do they so it cant be like AO? |
| 01:29.20 | Adys | usual trial limits |
| 01:29.38 | Dagmar | You can only go one zone from the noob zones and will forever be a second class citizen. |
| 01:29.55 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.warhammeronline.com/faq/?section=11#ans11_2 |
| 01:30.32 | Adys | "Warhammer will KILL WOW!!!!" |
| 01:30.59 | Dagmar | *snort* |
| 01:31.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i wish people would stop trying to make wow-killers, or wow-clones, and just make GOOD games. |
| 01:31.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:31.26 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 01:31.28 | Shirik | You may have already opened your mailbox on a different browser tab. If you feel you've received this message in error, try refreshing your browser. |
| 01:31.35 | Shirik | Why the fuck does Microsoft think they have to be so intelligent |
| 01:31.40 | Shirik | Who CARES if it's open in two tabs |
| 01:31.44 | WobWork | ... |
| 01:31.46 | Shirik | if you get it wrong you just piss off people |
| 01:31.51 | Iriel | They do because they use the session to maintain UI state |
| 01:31.58 | Shirik | Yeah well, it's not open in any other tab |
| 01:32.07 | Shirik | so I don't know wtf they're trying to track but they're completely wrong |
| 01:32.07 | Adys | I have gmail open in 5 tabs right now |
| 01:32.11 | Iriel | All it means is that the last request didn't match the sequence they were expecting |
| 01:32.13 | Dagmar | Because if you're a hotmail users you'll call them later and tell them you've been hacked when the tab you forgot about mysteriously has a bunch of mail disappear for no apparent reason on the next refresh |
| 01:32.15 | WobWork | the noob zones in WAR are terrible =() |
| 01:32.15 | Iriel | Google are better web engineers |
| 01:32.23 | Shirik | Iriel: I've refreshed it like 20 times, it flashes up for a second and then goes bye bye |
| 01:32.27 | Iriel | They "get it" - microsoft do not |
| 01:32.28 | WobWork | it only gets more interesting to actually play the further up you go |
| 01:32.28 | Adys | [03:32:16] <@Iriel> Google are better |
| 01:32.34 | WobWork | and then, not even that interesting =P |
| 01:32.47 | Arrowmaster | gmail constantly refreshes using ajax |
| 01:32.48 | Dagmar | i can has RANEBOWS to attk with! |
| 01:32.56 | Shirik | I have now completely closed the browser and reopened it and it still doesn't work, grats microsoft |
| 01:33.06 | Adys | gmail constantly wins, Arrowmaster |
| 01:33.16 | WobWork | Dagmar: I remember incinerating people (and myself) with my firemage |
| 01:33.19 | NightHawkTheSane | gmail constantly does my laundry. |
| 01:33.24 | WobWork | gmail heals my raid |
| 01:33.27 | Dagmar | I remember my first two wizard DDs. |
| 01:33.36 | Dagmar | One was a nasty look, the other fired a rainbow at the target. |
| 01:33.37 | Adys | !g does gmail do your laundry |
| 01:33.38 | batbot | Adys: Official Gmail Blog: Have Gmail do your laundry <http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/have-gmail-do-your-laundry.html> |
| 01:33.45 | WobWork | Dagmar: hehe RAINBOZ |
| 01:33.48 | Dagmar | I was like, "Awesome. at level 10 do I get a pink unicorn mount?" |
| 01:33.56 | WobWork | wasn't that the archpriest or something? |
| 01:34.02 | Adys | ~nighthawkthesane++ |
| 01:34.05 | Dagmar | Elven wizard |
| 01:34.08 | WobWork | yeah |
| 01:34.09 | NightHawkTheSane | :D |
| 01:34.22 | Dagmar | I liked the heal/damage mechanism. |
| 01:34.29 | WobWork | I remember playing that for a short while and going "... I can't even do this =P" |
| 01:34.35 | Dagmar | The nature of the attacks was just insulting tho |
| 01:34.44 | WobWork | I went back to chaos shortly after =P |
| 01:34.51 | Dagmar | I don't really blame you |
| 01:34.56 | Adys | Seriously though, google's web apps are the only true web apps I can think of |
| 01:35.06 | Adys | you do feel like you're using a desktop app |
| 01:35.11 | WobWork | Adys: that's because they buy out any other web app that looks like it'll function |
| 01:35.21 | Shirik | you know, Bill Gates is an extremely intelligent man |
| 01:35.29 | Adys | hes retired |
| 01:35.35 | Shirik | LET ME FINISH |
| 01:35.41 | Adys | NO |
| 01:35.42 | Shirik | I wonder if he got out because he doesn't see Microsoft succeeding for much longer... |
| 01:35.42 | NightHawkTheSane | thats what she said? |
| 01:35.53 | Dagmar | Shirik: That's probably the case |
| 01:36.14 | Dagmar | If it weren't for their really nasty licensing, they'd have ceased to be the market leader years ago |
| 01:36.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: possibly, probably more that he said "hmm.. fuck it, i'm filthy goddamn rich, i dont need the hassle of actually managing this shit" |
| 01:36.28 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: I'm sad nobody tried a Kanye West meme there :< |
| 01:36.39 | Adys | A company claims it has the technology to make writing on touchscreens more like writing with pencil and paper, when the harder you press the thicker the line you produce. |
| 01:36.42 | Adys | how the FUCK is this new? |
| 01:37.03 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: There's enough stupid people on IRC without anyone emulating Kanye West |
| 01:37.19 | Adys | dont like.. 99% of the graphic tablets have pressure control? |
| 01:37.24 | Dagmar | Adys: Yeah I was like... Hmm... I've seen that before, but in silver/black over at the Dollar General |
| 01:37.38 | Hjalte | Fisker: Can you find Replica Island in the market on your N1? |
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| 01:38.19 | Adys | http://www.wacom.com/cintiq/cintiq-21ux.php |
| 01:38.30 | Adys | Pressure Levels: 1,024 on pen tip and eraser |
| 01:38.38 | Gnarfoz | binding spells to keys without using actionbuttons... |
| 01:38.42 | Gnarfoz | SpellBinder? BindPad? |
| 01:38.43 | WobWork | Adys: sure, but if they patent it.. THEY DID IT FURST |
| 01:40.43 | ZorbaTHut | the cintiq isn't a touchscreen |
| 01:40.56 | Adys | uhm |
| 01:41.09 | Adys | the technology is pentouch |
| 01:41.22 | Adys | its exactly the same as whatever those idiots "innovated out" |
| 01:41.53 | Dagmar | Adys: Ther'es a kid's toy that's old as dirt that involves a black sheet of wax with a translucent silver piece of plastic over it |
| 01:42.02 | Dagmar | ...and it's a crapton cheaper than the "LCD" they're selling |
| 01:42.12 | Iriel | I think the innovation is that the pressure sensing is in the paper not the pen |
| 01:42.33 | Iriel | Usually the pen has the pressure sensor, fed back to the tablet actively or passively |
| 01:42.38 | Adys | Dagmar: etch a sketch? |
| 01:42.51 | Iriel | No, he's talking about something far simpler |
| 01:42.53 | Dagmar | I think the innovation is that they've managed to not imply they're getting oil from "all natural" snakes. |
| 01:42.54 | Iriel | I used to have some as a child |
| 01:43.10 | Adys | Iriel: thats no innovation |
| 01:43.19 | Dagmar | Yeah, an etch-a-sketch has mechcanical parts |
| 01:43.32 | Dagmar | I was trying to find a GOogle image of it but no dice |
| 01:43.36 | Adys | you're moving a sensor from one device from another and change its structure |
| 01:43.36 | Shirik | crap |
| 01:43.37 | Shirik | Adys |
| 01:43.42 | Shirik | how do I unlink a bzr repo again? |
| 01:43.46 | Shirik | change it into distributed |
| 01:43.48 | Adys | unlink from? |
| 01:43.54 | Shirik | I did checkout instead of pull |
| 01:44.14 | Adys | then just do bzr pull --remember bzr+ssh://your/address/ |
| 01:44.27 | Shirik | ... |
| 01:44.31 | Shirik | and lose my changes |
| 01:44.36 | Shirik | anyway you fail, it's `bzr unbind` |
| 01:44.48 | Adys | you wouldnt lose your changes |
| 01:44.58 | Adys | bzr doesnt ever, ever delete files without you explicitely asking for it |
| 01:45.03 | Adys | or delete changes |
| 01:45.09 | Shirik | you can't pull on top of a repository that already exists.. |
| 01:45.16 | Adys | sure you can |
| 01:45.33 | Shirik | well in any case I wanted `bzr unbind`! |
| 01:45.58 | Dagmar | Oh lord |
| 01:46.05 | Adys | bzr unbind just unbinds the repo from the checkout |
| 01:46.09 | Adys | makes you forget it |
| 01:46.18 | Adys | so that when you commit, it doesnt automatically commits to that repo too |
| 01:46.19 | Shirik | it makes it so I can do push/pull instead of checkout/checkin |
| 01:46.22 | Dagmar | Iriel: I found a freaking patent on using those tablets to figure out how a golf club and golf ball meet |
| 01:46.26 | Dagmar | http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5033746/description.html |
| 01:46.35 | Shirik | it goes to the distributed form instead of the centralized form |
| 01:46.49 | Adys | bzr does a lot of magic |
| 01:46.58 | Iriel | Dagmar: can yous ee through that one? |
| 01:46.59 | Adys | but you can have any sort of repo running next to the other |
| 01:47.31 | Shirik | Dagmar, I have a better one |
| 01:47.33 | Dagmar | Iriel: Not sure. I'm just shocked at seeing them use a kid's toy in their patent for it's use |
| 01:47.39 | Dagmar | That's _weak_ in the extreme |
| 01:48.16 | Iriel | I'm not defending the specifics of the patent (I've not read it), just that there may actually be some innovation in their actual tech |
| 01:48.50 | Shirik | Dagmar: http://www.google.com/patents?id=OfwkAAAAEBAJ |
| 01:49.26 | Dagmar | AHA! |
| 01:49.27 | Dagmar | http://bp1.blogger.com/_QwkuArxn9IM/SBZLXvaPW5I/AAAAAAAAAAM/qHb_Q4OK-Ts/s1600-h/magic+slate.jpg |
| 01:50.06 | Dagmar | Shirik: Yeah another example of a very weak patent |
| 01:50.29 | Shirik | or... http://www.google.com/patents?id=T2QKAAAAEBAJ |
| 01:51.08 | Dagmar | Look! here's the old model of that "LCD" writing tablet, but for only nine bucks! http://www.supercoolstuff.com/items/pencil/sbs725-magic-slate.htm |
| 01:52.22 | Dagmar | I would like to know how these people got their patents, but my attempt at manual vascular tissue manipulation for nervous excitation was rejected |
| 01:52.32 | Dagmar | er method for that is |
| 01:52.37 | Adys | Many other companies have already stopped supporting older browsers like Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 as well as browsers that are not supported by their own manufacturers. We're also going to begin phasing out our support, starting with Google Docs and Google Sites on March 1st. |
| 01:52.50 | Adys | Google dropping ie6 support \o/ |
| 01:53.12 | A-KO | You know, amusingly enough |
| 01:53.18 | A-KO | Symantec's Altiris product does not fully support IE8 yet |
| 01:53.24 | A-KO | and they don't expect full support until March |
| 01:53.46 | A-KO | a security vendor insisting its customers stay on outdated products :P |
| 01:55.38 | Adys | "hippocracy" |
| 01:56.01 | Adys | I'm amused at the thought of being governed by horses every time someone makes that typo |
| 01:56.05 | Dagmar | That's okay. Altiris is kinda crap anyway. |
| 01:56.16 | bleeter | heh, wow gametime phone scam http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22749570174&sid=1 |
| 01:56.21 | Dagmar | If people knew what it was, they'd start shooting at office managers the moment it gets mentioned. |
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| 01:56.58 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 01:57.28 | Dagmar | I thought it's most endearing quality was how it spent 15 minutes in stealth mode running my hard drive like mad after I logged into the domain. |
| 01:58.07 | Dagmar | After that I started bringing my mp3 collection to work on a portable drive, and plugging it into a USB port before I logged in, just to give it extra things to report on. |
| 01:58.19 | Dagmar | That got noticed. ;) |
| 01:58.32 | Adys | Good night |
| 01:58.42 | Dagmar | I'm weird. I've got a few hundred thousand four second mp3s. |
| 01:59.47 | Dagmar | It's amazing what a malicious mind and a perl script can do sometimes. |
| 02:00.49 | Iriel | Innocuous looking 2-3 k zip files that expand to several hundred MB would be handy too |
| 02:01.02 | Dagmar | I think so, but I wasn't really sure it searches that closely. |
| 02:01.30 | Gnarfoz | why can't I whisper players cross-server (in battlegrounds, for example)? Blizz UI seems to clobber spaces in servernames :( |
| 02:01.30 | Dagmar | I did think it was highly questionable that a tool that's supposed to inventory installed software assets also scans drives for anything that might be "infringing or illegal content" |
| 02:02.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: if you have some kind of mod that has a "tell target" command, that usually works for me. *shrug* |
| 02:03.15 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: that'd be weird, I'd expect that to work even less, but even w/o addons, the default UI reports back wrong names when I try to whisper someone |
| 02:03.19 | Arrowmaster | i think enough of the virus/whatever scanners have run into the zipbomb problem that they should all handle it gracefully by now |
| 02:03.42 | Dagmar | Yeah I don't think they really expect malicious id3 tags |
| 02:03.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: odd.. i haven't tryed manually typing in the name-server thing, though |
| 02:04.06 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, well, you can't, really, when there's spaces in there |
| 02:04.18 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: as far as the game is concerned the spaces in server names dont exist |
| 02:04.38 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: well... then it just fails at something else =[ |
| 02:04.43 | Arrowmaster | unless they changed it |
| 02:04.48 | Gnarfoz | guy from another realm whispers me |
| 02:04.57 | Gnarfoz | I hit reply and get "player with that name is not online" |
| 02:05.12 | Gnarfoz | (including their realm suffix) |
| 02:05.33 | Arrowmaster | whats the name and suffix? |
| 02:05.49 | Gnarfoz | errr |
| 02:06.02 | Arrowmaster | remember blizzard has had some pretty stupid bugs in their chatframe stuff before |
| 02:06.06 | Gnarfoz | Nadjá-Kult der Verdammten |
| 02:06.22 | Arrowmaster | like the arena team commands that used %a in a pattern match |
| 02:07.01 | Arrowmaster | ok on the US realms back when i played there was NEVER spaces in any server names in the chat |
| 02:07.33 | Arrowmaster | maybe the EU realms fucked it up |
| 02:11.00 | Shirik | Impressive. Microsoft just out-standarded g++ |
| 02:11.06 | Shirik | or rather, libcpp |
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| 02:11.52 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 02:11.54 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowace.com/addons/cartographer/tickets/283-cannot-uninstall/ |
| 02:12.26 | Arrowmaster | im guessing running it in compatibility mode is whats making it show that its running on windows nt? |
| 02:13.14 | Gnarfoz | he's probably a victim of UAC virutalization? |
| 02:13.16 | Arrowmaster | oh wait CC shows that for all of them |
| 02:13.32 | Arrowmaster | whats 6.1? vista? |
| 02:13.36 | Gnarfoz | 7 |
| 02:13.50 | Arrowmaster | .... |
| 02:13.58 | Corrodias | 6.1 is win7; 6.0 is vista/2008 |
| 02:14.32 | Arrowmaster | somebody link him the UAC guide, although he will probably never see it since it was reported from the curse client |
| 02:15.13 | Gnarfoz | not that he'd understand it~ |
| 02:15.17 | Gnarfoz | (probably) |
| 02:17.59 | Arrowmaster | im about to completely shutdown the tickets for cart2 just because of the fucking curse client |
| 02:18.47 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowace.com/addons/cartographer/tickets/?sort=-id&status=+ |
| 02:19.15 | Corrodias | jesus |
| 02:20.53 | Dagmar | Corrodias: ...and people say Windows 7 isn't just a "finally working" Vista |
| 02:22.38 | Shirik | 6.1 is 7, because they weren't cool enough to think maybe windows 7 should be verson 7 |
| 02:23.13 | Corrodias | if it's the 7th major release, i have to wonder why they apparently couldn't count until now |
| 02:23.27 | Corrodias | it's so stupid it actually upsets me |
| 02:23.43 | Corrodias | not to mention that the number 7 is hardly a distinctive name |
| 02:24.00 | Dagmar | They should just skip ahead to 9 like RedHat did |
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| 02:26.33 | Arrowmaster | was it slackware that decided they had to follow suit to compete? |
| 02:27.07 | Dagmar | Not to compete, to snark off about it |
| 02:27.39 | WobWork | we all know how well that works =P |
| 02:28.10 | Arrowmaster | well slackware is almost dead now |
| 02:28.25 | Dagmar | Slackware dies when it's users do |
| 02:28.36 | Dagmar | there's a good fifty years left in it |
| 02:28.53 | Arrowmaster | right but i dont think its getting much commercial usage anymore |
| 02:28.54 | Dagmar | ...assuming of course that Pat doesn't get some other mystery disease |
| 02:29.19 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: It doesn't really need "commercial" usage. It's users have jobs as admins already |
| 02:39.48 | cbreak | slax is nice. Best distro of it's kind imho |
| 02:49.21 | RoboUnhappyKitty | lol |
| 02:49.26 | RoboUnhappyKitty | snow mayhem once again |
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| 03:22.54 | Shirik | rofl..... |
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| 03:23.00 | Shirik | so like, all the wiki servers went down for a bit |
| 03:23.13 | Shirik | They fixed them, and there's a bot that reports the servers coming back online |
| 03:23.29 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/132250 |
| 03:27.56 | Thunder_Child | bot fail |
| 03:44.57 | Shirik | wow |
| 03:45.05 | Shirik | Google just found a message to a mailing list I posted 6 years ago |
| 03:45.10 | Shirik | wtf is it doing on thefirst page |
| 03:47.07 | WobWork | google knows all, sees all |
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| 03:53.26 | Dagmar | ...and someday, Google tells all. |
| 03:53.32 | Dagmar | ...or maybe it doesn't. |
| 03:53.36 | Dagmar | It all depends on your donations. |
| 03:54.22 | Corrodias | oh that's okay, they'll just take automatic deductions from Google Bank |
| 04:12.39 | DWSR | Shirik: Is it the most relevant result to your question? |
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| 04:14.07 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+rRf #shiibot] by EDI |
| 04:14.08 | EDI | Channel locked temporarily. Time since last lockdown (in minutes): 244 minutes |
| 04:14.32 | kd3 | oh wow, only 4 hours? |
| 04:14.48 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 04:15.13 | Dagmar | brazenly visits the URL |
| 04:15.14 | Shirik | I'm kinda getting annoyed |
| 04:15.32 | Shirik | they're fast enough thateven with the kick, it still kicks in the second level of protection |
| 04:16.02 | kd3 | wait, when's the transition? tonight? |
| 04:16.57 | DWSR | mhm |
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| 04:40.09 | Shirik | mysqlfail |
| 04:46.49 | Shirik | oh duh |
| 04:46.55 | Shirik | The answer to this problem is so obvious |
| 04:49.22 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-rRf] by Shirik |
| 04:49.23 | Shirik | !reload |
| 04:49.24 | EDI | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 04:49.32 | Shirik | I am a genius |
| 04:49.52 | Shirik | How to know you have a well-designed system: Necessary new features take no more than 3 lines of code |
| 04:50.18 | NightHawkTheSane | or, alternately, the new feature isn't that complex. |
| 04:51.40 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:53.18 | NightHawkTheSane | hey, dont get me wrong, 3 lines for a new feature IS a sign of a well designed system :P |
| 04:53.45 | Iriel | Shirik: So.. EDI.. is this a sign you've been playing Mass Effect 2? |
| 04:53.54 | Shirik | no, it's a sign that I listen to people too much |
| 04:55.03 | WobWork | You should call it Hex |
| 04:55.24 | WobWork | and have it randomly emote when a part moves |
| 04:55.41 | WobWork | *Hex whirrs as a gerbil runs down the CPU track* |
| 05:03.15 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_P1OhKUw6I&feature=related |
| 05:03.16 | WobWork | >< |
| 05:06.56 | Dagmar | Yeah, *nothing* can go wrong with a machine named that |
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| 05:15.02 | Shirik | :) |
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| 05:15.12 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+rRf #shiibot] by EDI |
| 05:15.12 | EDI | Channel locked temporarily. Time since last lockdown (in minutes): 62 minutes |
| 05:15.18 | Shirik | perfect!! |
| 05:15.29 | Shirik | I <3 you EDI |
| 05:16.04 | Dagmar | Probably an hour or so ban should be put in the bots (or chanserv) to just punt them on sight |
| 05:16.24 | Dagmar | I've not looked at logs to see how often there's repeat offenders tho, so it might not be worth bothering |
| 05:16.44 | Shirik | If it determines the abuse is too slow to matter, it just kicks him out and leaves the channel open. If it detects repetitive abuse, it locks down the channel. |
| 05:16.50 | Shirik | And no, the users are getting klined automatically |
| 05:16.55 | Dagmar | Good. |
| 05:16.57 | Shirik | so definitely not the same :) |
| 05:17.20 | Dagmar | They've not been in #Se2600 once or we'd probably be calling people up and saying "Who do we know that can go kick Weev in the nuts" |
| 05:17.27 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:17.32 | Dagmar | *punt* "Find a new trick already" |
| 05:17.53 | Shirik | Nobody commented on my message though :( |
| 05:17.56 | Dagmar | The length to which they're continuing this is bordering on lameness |
| 05:18.00 | Shirik | (00:12:31)  -⺠Part: fhyhqn (n=fhy@97.89.139.72) (requested by EDI: "I can't let you do that, fhyhqn") |
| 05:18.20 | Shirik | or is that too many references at once? |
| 05:18.30 | Shirik | Is there an equivalent reference in ME2 Iriel? |
| 05:18.40 | Dagmar | Anyone who is geeky enough to be on IRC would recognize a HAL9000 reference |
| 05:19.28 | Iriel | Shirik: EDI is the name of the AI on the ship (responsible for electronic countermeasures, etc) [Also, it's voiced by Tricia Helfer) |
| 05:19.41 | Shirik | yeah but what about the message |
| 05:19.50 | Shirik | is there something ME2ish to say there? |
| 05:20.13 | Iriel | Oh, I dont know yet, i'm not very far in |
| 05:20.15 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:20.17 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:20.33 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: did i get the EDI acronym correct? |
| 05:20.38 | Thunder_Child | ...prolyl not |
| 05:20.41 | Thunder_Child | prolly* |
| 05:20.55 | Shirik | it sounded good |
| 05:21.08 | Thunder_Child | maybe Electronic Detrusion and Interdiction (spelled correctly) |
| 05:21.29 | Thunder_Child | s/detrusion/detection/ |
| 05:22.36 | Dagmar | When I get back home tonight (assuming a yeti doesn't get me) I'll pay attention and see if there's any appropriate catchphrase |
| 05:22.59 | Dagmar | Being that the ship's AI has no tits, I haven't spent a lot of time talking to it. |
| 05:23.29 | Dagmar | It seems like it's basically there just to answer stupid questions like "What's this room for?" when you're rather obviously in the med-bay or engineering. |
| 05:23.40 | Shirik | Cortana > EDI? |
| 05:23.46 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure at some point it'll try and cross me and I'll have to bust into the room where it's at and smash it. |
| 05:24.11 | Dagmar | Cerebus thinks they're running the operation, but I'm the freaking captain of the Normandy, and *I'm* calling the shots |
| 05:25.08 | Dagmar | googles "Cortana" |
| 05:25.17 | Dagmar | *blinkblink* |
| 05:25.26 | Thunder_Child | would be for Dagmar Shirik, she has tits |
| 05:25.31 | Dagmar | Oh yeah, I'd definitely know more about EDI if it's avatar looked more like that |
| 05:25.42 | Dagmar | EDI looks more like a wireframe Epcot Center |
| 05:25.57 | Thunder_Child | sighs @ Dagmar |
| 05:26.27 | Dagmar | Hey at least I'm not in denial about what catches my eye like some emo freak |
| 05:26.34 | Shirik | wireframe epcot center? |
| 05:26.45 | Shirik | isn't that basically epcot center? |
| 05:27.02 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 05:27.05 | Dagmar | http://www.destination360.com/images/s/epcot-center.jpg |
| 05:27.09 | Dagmar | Yeah. |
| 05:27.19 | Shirik | I know, I live 30 minutes from disney world! |
| 05:27.20 | Shirik | gah |
| 05:27.26 | Dagmar | Its a boring sphere-lookin' thing |
| 05:27.45 | Shirik | I actually have a card to get in for free |
| 05:28.05 | Dagmar | http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:EDI_Mass_Effect_2.png |
| 05:28.06 | Shirik | one of my friends works there and he gets a few cards that all they say is "NOT FOR SALE" on them but they're really a secret free pass in :P |
| 05:28.51 | Shirik | First time I used it I was really skeptical, lol |
| 05:29.08 | Dagmar | Waiting for armed thugs to swarm in on you? |
| 05:29.24 | Shirik | well like I'm walking up there and everyone has normal tickets |
| 05:29.28 | Shirik | and I just have this little white card |
| 05:29.32 | Shirik | that says NOTHING on it |
| 05:29.46 | Shirik | and I was ready for the lady at the desk to go "wtf are you doing?" |
| 05:30.05 | Shirik | s/desk/booth/ |
| 05:30.10 | Dagmar | Remember, when they question you about something like that, you should yell "I HAXORED YOR PLANET!" and run like hell |
| 05:30.15 | Shirik | rofl |
| 05:32.10 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.fallenprincesses.com/ |
| 05:34.59 | Shirik | ROFL @ Jasmine |
| 05:38.21 | A-KO | http://i48.tinypic.com/4ioqxl.jpg < asshole parker :P |
| 05:40.09 | Thunder_Child | yet...he is within the lines |
| 05:40.15 | Iriel | In their defence there are perpendicular painted lines |
| 05:41.08 | WobWork | agrees |
| 05:41.16 | A-KO | *were* perpendicular painted lines |
| 05:41.37 | Thunder_Child | well it's is a lot eaiser to miss the sign than the lines |
| 05:41.43 | Thunder_Child | it* |
| 05:41.57 | Thunder_Child | and faded lines just means poor city |
| 05:42.13 | A-KO | no, it means they removed them :P |
| 05:42.24 | Thunder_Child | obviously not, since we can see them |
| 05:42.41 | A-KO | they removed them mostly, leaving only leftover paint. You could say it was a poor removal :P |
| 05:43.46 | A-KO | considering I've parked in that area for years....watched it happen. Originally it was all head-in parking with no payment system. People would park there for work, etc. Then they decided to make $ off of it, and so painted the lines there for spaces. Then a few weeks later realized that head-in parking blocked traffic, they made it parallel only. |
| 05:44.17 | A-KO | it's been parallel only for at least a year |
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| 05:54.12 | Dagmar | At the risk of sounding insensitive, do ya think the guy driving that SUV has been in the country that long? |
| 05:54.54 | A-KO | no clue :P |
| 05:55.42 | Dagmar | They might be from one of those countries where rules of the road are more like suggestions |
| 05:55.59 | A-KO | local law doesn't care :P |
| 05:56.05 | Dagmar | Like, India, if most of the videos I've seen are any indication |
| 05:56.10 | Dagmar | Lanes are just there for visual effect |
| 05:57.41 | kd3 | whee |
| 05:57.46 | kd3 | it's still above freezing |
| 06:02.47 | WobWork | kd3: woohoo! Achievement! |
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| 06:21.32 | DJJeff | Mountful addon has some major bugs X_X |
| 06:21.56 | DJJeff | its only showing 1 mount and its showing flying mounts under ground mounts |
| 06:22.05 | DJJeff | and ground mounts under flying |
| 06:22.14 | DJJeff | I guess I can post a screenshot |
| 06:22.26 | kd3 | file a bug report on the download site? |
| 06:23.04 | DJJeff | I file bug reports all the time |
| 06:23.15 | DJJeff | how do I check the status on them? |
| 06:23.29 | DJJeff | I file my reports through the Curse.com Client itself |
| 06:24.15 | Arrowmaster | goto the projects page on wowace or curseforge |
| 06:24.46 | Arrowmaster | your own user page on each site might also list tickets youve opened |
| 06:25.16 | Arrowmaster | but seriously this just goes to show that the damn bug reporting in CC needs to be fucking removed |
| 06:25.40 | Thunder_Child | i stil prefer the old CC in many ways |
| 06:25.48 | kd3 | I'd have more of an opinion if I could use the damn thing |
| 06:25.59 | DJJeff | why cant you use CC kd3? |
| 06:26.05 | DJJeff | wrong OS? |
| 06:26.07 | kd3 | I play on linux |
| 06:26.08 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 06:26.13 | DJJeff | ah |
| 06:26.16 | Thunder_Child | wont it run in wine? |
| 06:26.18 | DJJeff | you cant use WINE ? |
| 06:26.21 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:26.23 | DJJeff | (jinx) |
| 06:26.24 | DJJeff | lol |
| 06:26.29 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 06:26.35 | Arrowmaster | well it might i dont know |
| 06:26.44 | kd3 | .net3 doesn't work in wine yet and cc4 uses .net3 |
| 06:26.57 | DJJeff | I had a hard time getting WoW to run under WINE |
| 06:27.24 | Arrowmaster | i didnt |
| 06:27.27 | kd3 | assuming you've got the restricted graphics drivers working properly it's stick in the dvd->install->play |
| 06:27.38 | kd3 | and has been that way for a few years now |
| 06:27.53 | Arrowmaster | well its better to switch it to opengl |
| 06:28.05 | Torhal | I'm still using CC3 |
| 06:28.10 | DJJeff | if my games ran under linux.... I would switch |
| 06:28.11 | Torhal | <-- Linux |
| 06:28.15 | DJJeff | in a heartbeat |
| 06:28.22 | Arrowmaster | but other than that theres nothing else to do |
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| 06:35.07 | kd3 | from another channel... |
| 06:35.10 | kd3 | http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&langpair=ja|en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://www.thanko.jp/product/usb_80port/ |
| 06:35.11 | kd3 | wtf |
| 06:36.57 | Shirik | I wish I could see the pictures |
| 06:37.18 | kd3 | view the original? http://www.thanko.jp/product/usb_80port/ |
| 06:37.54 | kd3 | tl;dr: 80 usb ports on a pcb! |
| 06:38.54 | Shirik | I like the part about feeling like a soldier, myself |
| 06:40.05 | kd3 | I'm reminded of that simpsons episode when homer buys everything that can plug into a cigarette lighter |
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| 07:08.55 | Thunder_Child | plugs kd3 into a cigarette lighter |
| 07:16.29 | Shirik | I'll plug your face into a cigarette lighter |
| 07:17.27 | Shirik | something's jacked up |
| 07:17.41 | Shirik | ha |
| 07:17.45 | Shirik | I know |
| 07:18.06 | Shirik | EDI went into indefinite lockdown mode because it thought someone else locked the channel |
| 07:18.28 | Shirik | because it saw MODE from EDI instead of Shiibot |
| 07:18.45 | Shirik | !quote NICK :Shiibot |
| 07:18.45 | batbot | Shirik, nick has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 07:18.53 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-rRf] by Shirik |
| 07:18.55 | Shirik | !reload |
| 07:18.55 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 07:20.39 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: why do you use the same trigger as batbot. and b, for the love of bob, make it's name come after yours |
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| 07:20.53 | Shirik | I blame batbot |
| 07:20.56 | *** part/#wowuidev Subdino_ (n=vincent@ALille-154-1-82-137.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 07:21.09 | Thunder_Child | batbot was here first though |
| 07:21.35 | Shirik | are you sure? |
| 07:22.25 | Thunder_Child | say...70% ish sure |
| 07:22.32 | Shirik | I know lua_bot was |
| 07:22.41 | WobWork | yeah batbot was first |
| 07:22.55 | Shirik | oh well, nobody uses batbot's !quote! |
| 07:23.12 | WobWork | !quote Shirik |
| 07:23.13 | batbot | WobWork, shirik said: "oh well, nobody uses batbot's !quote!". |
| 07:24.00 | Arrowmaster | !quote WobWork |
| 07:24.01 | batbot | Arrowmaster, wobwork said: "yeah batbot was first". |
| 07:24.10 | Arrowmaster | smartass bot |
| 07:24.23 | say | purl, say !quote say |
| 07:24.24 | purl | !quote say |
| 07:24.24 | batbot | purl, say said: "purl, say !quote say". |
| 07:24.25 | purl | said: "purl, say !quote say". |
| 07:24.38 | Shirik | aw, that didn't work as well as I had hoped |
| 07:25.50 | Shirik | and shiibot has not yet been updated... |
| 07:25.53 | Shirik | this should be fun |
| 07:26.13 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: quick add me to the channel ops list |
| 07:27.02 | Shirik | noty |
| 07:27.13 | Shirik | I can add you to the akick list if you want |
| 07:30.20 | Shirik | anyone know teh seven test server off the top of their head |
| 07:30.22 | Shirik | ? |
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| 07:35.34 | Shirik | that should do it |
| 07:38.39 | DWSR | Shirik: The blog. |
| 07:39.00 | Shirik | I already made what I believe is the only necessary change |
| 07:40.46 | Sabaren | Does anybody know how to adjust the UI scale to be an accurate representative of the true resolution? |
| 07:41.31 | DWSR | Sabaren: Err? |
| 07:42.00 | DWSR | You maen for frame positioning? |
| 07:42.21 | Sabaren | Positioning, sizing, everything. I'm mostly trying to fix FBS |
| 07:42.33 | DWSR | Sabaren: afaik, you'd just have to use T&E. |
| 07:43.31 | Sabaren | I know the game draws in a resolution with a height of 768, so for my resolution 768/1050 should be an appropriate scale. |
| 07:43.34 | DWSR | because blizzard's co-ord system is designed so that you can move your UI across to a different resolution and have the layout (mostly) intact. |
| 07:43.55 | DWSR | So adjust the UI scale to 0.73? |
| 07:44.04 | Sabaren | It's close but not exact, and I see in other addons (p3lim, for example) where the screenshots have perfect borders, but when I install them I can not manage the same look even with UI scaling. |
| 07:44.23 | DWSR | Sabaren: Err... |
| 07:44.26 | DWSR | Perfect borders? |
| 07:44.36 | Sabaren | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw34909.jpg |
| 07:44.41 | Arrowmaster | lua> 768/1050 |
| 07:44.41 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 0.73142857142857 |
| 07:44.50 | Sabaren | His borders are pixel perfect and they are hand coded into oUF. |
| 07:45.05 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 07:45.16 | DWSR | It's just fractions of an em |
| 07:45.19 | DWSR | Like 0.5em |
| 07:45.30 | Arrowmaster | try setting the ui scale to that exactly, and hope whatever its closet to is pixel perfect |
| 07:45.48 | Sabaren | I tried and it is still approximate :\ |
| 07:45.49 | DWSR | Sabaren: oUF allows you to specify fractions of an em. |
| 07:45.52 | Sabaren | I can't figure it out. |
| 07:45.54 | DWSR | You just have to use T&E. |
| 07:46.18 | DWSR | Building UIs has a learning curve, just like everything else. |
| 07:46.24 | Sabaren | I've been T&E it for hours and still don't get remotely close. BTW, should the UIParent be at a 0.89999 scale when UI Scale is turned off? |
| 07:46.30 | DWSR | No. |
| 07:46.57 | Sabaren | When UI Scaling is on and set to 1, everything is at a scale of 1, but when I turn it off in video everything scales to ~0.9 |
| 07:47.23 | Sabaren | The UI sizes down too. |
| 07:47.54 | Sabaren | That's just my copy of the game then? |
| 07:48.00 | DWSR | I don't know. |
| 07:58.34 | Dagmar | Sabaren: You're using the default button bars and frames? |
| 07:58.37 | DWSR | Looks like Verne is going down |
| 07:59.00 | Dagmar | It's odd that UI scale is doing that, to be sure. |
| 07:59.15 | Dagmar | I just can't recall if that's what it;s supposed to do. |
| 07:59.32 | Dagmar | I guess so long as it doesn't just up and randomly scale things differently every time, there's worse things that could be going wrong. |
| 07:59.42 | Sabaren | Hmm, I probably should run some repair and reset to be sure |
| 08:00.13 | Dagmar | Repair will probably be a waste of time, but resetting the cache might clear some strange stuck value out and reset it back to a default of 1 |
| 08:00.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh (n=Srosh@c155208.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 08:00.33 | nevcairiel | I heard that before, that disabling UIScale is not the same as UIScale set to 1 |
| 08:00.51 | nevcairiel | It uses some default value blizzy things is good for you |
| 08:00.58 | nevcairiel | thinks* |
| 08:01.45 | Dagmar | I'm in Tennesee |
| 08:01.48 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 08:02.20 | smoke_ | i'm working on a timer addon and i just completed it, i was going to serpeate them as different addons by which type of cooldowns you want to monitor ie: raid cooldowns (ss, rebirth, reincarnate), enemy cooldown timer, personal buff timers, and internal cooldown timers, since they're gonna be on seperate addons would it be slower since its creating 4 different frames in game to do the update polling? |
| 08:02.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Repo (n=supybot@repos.curseforge.net) |
| 08:02.47 | Dagmar | Shouldn't be since they're all going to hook onupdate right? |
| 08:02.51 | smoke_ | or it doesnt matter, if i put it all as 1 addon each frame would need the update polling so i'd be running 4 different frames anyways? |
| 08:03.05 | smoke_ | yeah i'm using OnUpdate |
| 08:03.16 | Sabaren | Loaded up the default frame, scale of 1. Set the resolution to 1680X1050 so it's not blurry and stretched.. bam 0.899999 |
| 08:03.34 | Dagmar | Yeah then it's really not going to matter much unless you want to go for a much more serious approach, and I don't even know for sure about millisecond timers |
| 08:05.22 | nevcairiel | You only get as accurate timers as how high your fps is |
| 08:05.45 | smoke_ | k |
| 08:05.50 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: There's no utimer? |
| 08:05.54 | smoke_ | i'm throttling it at .5 ms? |
| 08:05.56 | smoke_ | err |
| 08:05.57 | smoke_ | not .5ms |
| 08:06.00 | smoke_ | .5s |
| 08:06.23 | nevcairiel | OnUpdate fires every frame, so with 10 fps your maximum resolution of timers is 0.1s, cleary :d |
| 08:06.36 | Dagmar | I know I hadn't seen a usleep lookin' thing yet... I just didn't know if it was something I hadn't seen yet or what |
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| 08:11.29 | Dagmar | I want to know why the achievement frame didn't trigger when I got home |
| 08:13.42 | Fisker | bam |
| 08:13.43 | Fisker | chrome 5 |
| 08:14.37 | *** join/#wowuidev yaqamok (n=gnra@pool-70-107-161-25.ny325.east.verizon.net) |
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| 08:14.37 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 08:14.38 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Time since last lockdown (in minutes): 180 minutes |
| 08:15.09 | nevcairiel | And i thought the remove was a replacement for the lockdown, not an addition |
| 08:15.41 | Dagmar | Is there some reason I'm not aware of ya don't wanna just kick them? |
| 08:16.14 | nevcairiel | remove > kick |
| 08:16.40 | Dagmar | Any _technical_ reason? |
| 08:17.30 | Dagmar | I was messing with it earlier and it looks like the only difference is in the messages they send to clients |
| 08:17.33 | nevcairiel | with remove irc clients usually think they part'ed the client, and not that it was an op that removed them from the channel, so they dont try to rejoin |
| 08:17.55 | Dagmar | Well, that I can see. I doubt that would trigger auto-rejoin in mIRC, but these are just browserbots |
| 08:18.07 | Dagmar | I don't think they even notice they've been removed |
| 08:18.50 | Dagmar | I'll snatch their latest code tomorrow and look into it more closely |
| 08:19.08 | Dagmar | Somehow I don't think I'll have a lot of trouble finding the URL. ;) |
| 08:19.24 | Arrowmaster | these are just pushing commands, they arent listening to anything at all afaik |
| 08:19.42 | nevcairiel | they probably dont notice, but why kick when you can remove :d |
| 08:19.58 | Dagmar | Well, they have to listen for _something_ because unless they took it out, EFnet always used to ping you with a short code you had to respond with or *punt* away you go |
| 08:20.16 | Dagmar | I just kinda doubt they bothered to code in anything like an auto-rejoin |
| 08:20.31 | Arrowmaster | efnet and otfc are mentioned as having blocked the attack |
| 08:20.39 | nevcairiel | you can stay about 180 seconds on freenode without responding to PING |
| 08:20.41 | Dagmar | Yes, but EFNet was doing that back in the 90's |
| 08:20.55 | Dagmar | You _had_ to respond to the ping before it would let you do anything |
| 08:21.13 | nevcairiel | although you could just send a dummy PONG response through script =P |
| 08:21.29 | Dagmar | Nah you had to respond *with* the freetext of the ping in your response |
| 08:21.37 | Dagmar | ...so you had to have your bot at least listen for that |
| 08:21.46 | Arrowmaster | PONG only works if you respond with the exact same argument as the PING its responding to |
| 08:21.56 | Dagmar | Exactly |
| 08:22.08 | Dagmar | It stopped us from using bone-stupid bots |
| 08:22.38 | Arrowmaster | they should just send the PING as early as possible and boot you if you dont respond in 10 seconds or so |
| 08:22.42 | Dagmar | Well, bone-stupid clones actually |
| 08:22.46 | Dagmar | Yeah they should |
| 08:22.52 | Arrowmaster | maybe seven does |
| 08:22.59 | Dagmar | Let's hope so |
| 08:23.05 | nevcairiel | on freenode it doesnt |
| 08:23.07 | Dagmar | It's clear they want an arms race |
| 08:23.16 | nevcairiel | not right now, anyway |
| 08:23.18 | Dagmar | ...or at least that they're waiting for one |
| 08:23.18 | Arrowmaster | hyperion/dancer whatever it is is supposedly quite old |
| 08:24.09 | Dagmar | The ping/pong thing meant everyone had to rewrite their clone code to not just keep track of x connections in aggregate, but to be able to tell which one they came from so you could send the _right_ response of the lot |
| 08:24.24 | Dagmar | Complex enough to keep the idiots at bay at least |
| 08:24.56 | DWSR | I just lulz at the fact that Freenode is still having issues, whereas OFTC and EfNet got it fixed within a day. |
| 08:25.13 | Dagmar | DWSR: I suspect that's got something to do with the 90's |
| 08:25.33 | Dagmar | IRC drove a _lot_ of amateur security efforts back then |
| 08:25.46 | Dagmar | We were constantly looking for new holes to exploit |
| 08:26.03 | DWSR | Dagmar: Well, there's an article about this on Dramatica. |
| 08:26.18 | DWSR | And it points out that EfNet supports well over 100x the users of Freenode, and manages to do it without splits. |
| 08:26.32 | Dagmar | Dramatica says a lot of things, but yeah there's definitely some issues with Freenode |
| 08:26.44 | DWSR | Dagmar: Well, the statement itself is true. |
| 08:26.45 | Arrowmaster | freenode is still a rather small network, the major networks have dealt with so many attacks and other things that theyve got a lot of defensive stuff |
| 08:26.59 | Dagmar | Probably got to do with EFNet eventually having a completely insane policy about the type and width of connection you were required to have before you could even be considered for a link |
| 08:27.21 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Freenode hosts many OS projects. They need to have "a lot of defensive stuff" like the bigger nets. |
| 08:27.36 | Dagmar | They were pretty serious about not letting people link unless they could handle someone with a T3 floodin them out |
| 08:27.36 | DWSR | I mean, #ubuntu alone has like 1k+ users. |
| 08:27.39 | Arrowmaster | yeah they probably do except they dont |
| 08:28.02 | Arrowmaster | the ircd thats being retired today is very old |
| 08:28.13 | Dagmar | What little I've seen them say of it, most of the kiddies are just flooding the servers off |
| 08:28.48 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Since seven is a fork of charbidys, I would be surprised if they coded in all the defensive measures. |
| 08:28.53 | DWSR | They need defcon from Anope. |
| 08:28.57 | DWSR | Sorry. |
| 08:29.11 | Arrowmaster | yeah the bigger nets have servers with either pipes so large or run by admins with the ability to block some of the attacks further upstream |
| 08:29.13 | Dagmar | Some kid with the ability to figure out metasploit and the time to punt something to the idiots still using USENET is about all it takes to get a botnet sufficient |
| 08:29.41 | Dagmar | I suspect EFnet has scaled up their policy further over time |
| 08:30.00 | Dagmar | I'm still beefed that they bailed on TS4 when they had the chance |
| 08:30.09 | Esamynn | OH NOES! |
| 08:30.12 | Esamynn | THE OTHER SIDE! |
| 08:30.14 | Dagmar | All the channel hackers I know would have probably sent them cookies if they did |
| 08:30.25 | Arrowmaster | gota switch to ssl now for freenode |
| 08:30.29 | DWSR | mhm |
| 08:30.35 | DWSR | Anyone here want to go halfsies on an VPS? |
| 08:30.37 | Dagmar | We figured it would put a complete halt to 90% of the channel takeovers, which would snuff the chaos people caused to make them happen |
| 08:31.07 | Dagmar | Persisten op cookies would have eliminated someone emptying a channel to gain ops without the need for chanserv |
| 08:31.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: The reason I don't use efnet is no nick/channel services. |
| 08:31.43 | Dagmar | We'd kitted out our bots in #Rave to have everyone running as a half op except for the bots, just for that |
| 08:32.09 | DWSR | Also, freenode not having +haq is pretty rediculous. |
| 08:32.27 | Dagmar | So our channel bots would be the only thing with +o and the cookies, and that way if someone slipped up and +h'd the wrong person, it wouldn't matter what they did because the bots could regulate |
| 08:32.34 | Arrowmaster | +haq? |
| 08:32.38 | DWSR | yes. |
| 08:33.56 | DWSR | halfop, admin, owner. |
| 08:33.56 | Dagmar | +h is a half-op |
| 08:33.56 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 08:34.02 | DWSR | We'll see you in a few. |
