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| 00:18.16 | KarlKFI|work | doesn't look like much fun for the hampster havign to lug allt hat weight around |
| 00:20.15 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure that's not a rolly ball for a hamster to rove around in |
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| 00:28.33 | Jerub | wooo. stable raiding night sorted out, and we actually let someone /pug/ with us instead of just deciding not to raid because we were short a member. |
| 00:28.37 | Jerub | progress. :) |
| 00:29.51 | KarlKFI|work | pug verb! |
| 00:30.39 | Jerub | KarlKFI|work: didn't you hear? you're allowed to verb any noun you like now that it's 2010 |
| 00:35.11 | kdtresh | verbing weirds language |
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| 00:44.09 | Jerub | now hopefully we'll be able to clear toc10 every week ;) |
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| 00:56.42 | Jerub | the maths for boss hits are freaking werid. |
| 00:57.03 | Jerub | or rather, any hit/miss/crit/parry/dodge hits |
| 00:57.11 | WobWork | kdtresh: http://www.ourlocalstyle.com/images/uploadImages/2006/05/03/cnhVerbingWeirdsLanguage.gif |
| 00:57.35 | WobWork | Jerub: howso? |
| 00:58.28 | Jerub | WobWork: stuff like increasing the expertise just increases the number of ordinary hits you'll get in because they're not parried, but it will never increase the number of critical hits. |
| 00:59.27 | WobWork | if you think of the 'table' as being 'hit type ratios' it makes more sense maybe |
| 01:00.01 | WobWork | a reduction in the chance of one type increases the chances of the other types (depending on order) proportionately |
| 01:00.33 | Jerub | yeah. |
| 01:00.37 | Jerub | it's just weird. |
| 01:00.45 | Jerub | i mean, the maths is easy, but it's weird. |
| 01:00.54 | WobWork | It makes sense from a conceptual point of view |
| 01:01.12 | WobWork | why should expertise, which reduces boss parrys make you crit more? |
| 01:02.00 | Jerub | the model that i thought it would be (And therefore why it feels weird) and then onces hits are landed, it should be split between ordinary and crit based on your crit. |
| 01:02.35 | Jerub | i thought crit chance meant what % of landed hits were crits, when it's actually, what % of all swings will crit. |
| 01:02.42 | WobWork | yeah =) |
| 01:02.52 | WobWork | which technically means more crits |
| 01:03.04 | WobWork | or 'more hits will actually crit' |
| 01:03.23 | WobWork | So. CodeRush or ReSharper? |
| 01:03.29 | Jerub | what are they? |
| 01:03.50 | WobWork | productivity toolkits for Visual Studio |
| 01:03.53 | Jerub | oh, right. |
| 01:03.54 | Jerub | vim. |
| 01:04.01 | WobWork | I have that already =P |
| 01:04.09 | WobWork | It drives my coworkers utterly batty |
| 01:04.14 | WobWork | cause they can't use my computer =P |
| 01:04.15 | Jerub | :) |
| 01:04.28 | WobWork | viEmu is awesome |
| 01:04.50 | Jerub | i have a team of 6 now, and they're all vim users. |
| 01:05.25 | WobWork | if you use MS products, viEmu is great |
| 01:05.31 | WobWork | you can get it for Word and Outlook too |
| 01:05.45 | Jerub | i don't have a windows machine |
| 01:06.31 | WobWork | yay free work pizza |
| 01:06.36 | WobWork | thanks to Roche =P |
| 01:06.38 | Jerub | yay. |
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| 01:08.07 | awweaver | Hello, guys i have a question. How do you get a players name form a msg in chat? |
| 01:08.35 | WobWork | awweaver: check out the arguments |
| 01:08.46 | awweaver | And hwo do you find the players name, the on that is controlling the character on the scrreen |
| 01:08.57 | awweaver | Ok ill look into that |
| 01:10.07 | WobWork | UnitName("player") |
| 01:10.12 | WobWork | or something like that |
| 01:10.44 | WobWork | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL |
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| 01:11.37 | awweaver | K, thanks ill tryi it |
| 01:21.36 | Kraps | wtf http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/22748755458-grettings-blizzard.html |
| 01:22.58 | Dagmar | definitely. |
| 01:23.13 | Dagmar | He should have posted the non-sequitir troll using a troll toon tho |
| 01:23.21 | Jerub | """...and make sense when posting on the General forum. Thanks.""" |
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| 01:33.44 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/12304521325-blizzards-tale-of-magic-and-mayhem.html |
| 01:33.55 | Kraps | watching now |
| 01:37.38 | Adys | erg said... |
| 01:37.38 | Adys | With Google Chrome I download files very slowly. |
| 01:37.38 | Adys | Why don´t you solve this problem? |
| 01:37.53 | Adys | Observer said... |
| 01:37.53 | Adys | development is way too slow!!! |
| 01:37.53 | Adys | Im on bleeding edge Chromium builds for Mac. They're buggy but at least gets updated 5-6 times a day. |
| 01:39.53 | cbreak | so, do you have time for using them or are you completely occupied with updating? :) |
| 01:40.08 | Adys | Fuckwads |
| 01:40.10 | Adys | really |
| 01:40.37 | Adys | They got something in their brain, it's probably someone else's genitals, but it's not greycells |
| 01:41.01 | Jerub | Adys: are you okay? have you been drinking? |
| 01:41.11 | Adys | I'm always like that, and I never drink |
| 01:41.15 | Adys | if I did drink, just imagine |
| 01:41.21 | cbreak | he's dehydrated. |
| 01:42.19 | Jerub | the "what happens during maintenance" thread has some gold in it: |
| 01:42.21 | Jerub | " I believe that Blizzard send a fleet of mechano hogs throughout World of Warcraft paying each mob and critter their weekly wages. " |
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| 01:43.02 | theorbtwo | Nice! |
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| 03:05.39 | Kraps | is the armory acting a little off for anyone else? |
| 03:06.12 | cbreak | yeah. I wondered why wowarmory.cn asked me for my credit card number too... |
| 03:06.36 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.54 | Thunder_Child | it's working fine for me Kraps |
| 03:07.28 | Kraps | just needed a refresh |
| 03:08.23 | Thunder_Child | it's the rss feed that i wonder so much about. how is it that someone could care so much about someone elses toon? |
| 03:08.49 | cbreak | maybe you could use that dumb twitter thing for it |
| 03:09.12 | Thunder_Child | that still has the same question |
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| 03:11.35 | Thunder_Child | wee, thunder |
| 03:12.00 | Thunder_Child | now if we could just have some lightning to go with it |
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| 03:12.31 | WobWork | would you be Thunder_Lightning_Child then? |
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| 03:13.22 | Thunder_Child | that sounds rather awkward WobWork |
| 03:15.26 | WobWork | no, that would be Thunder_Lightning_IntermittantPrecipitation_Child |
| 03:15.45 | WobWork | or possibly Chance_Of_Cloudy_Child |
| 03:17.09 | Thunder_Child | ~weather klax |
| 03:17.17 | Bibi | [04:08:12] <Thunder_Child> it's the rss feed that i wonder so much about. how is it that someone could care so much about someone elses toon? |
| 03:17.18 | Bibi | stalking. |
| 03:17.30 | Bibi | you see a nice girl in-game, you add all her characters to a RSS feed |
| 03:17.36 | Bibi | and as soon as she does something, bam, you go online |
| 03:17.41 | Thunder_Child | i dont really see blizz enableing stalking |
| 03:17.49 | Bibi | trust me, it works! |
| 03:17.56 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 03:18.25 | kd3 | don't stats only update on logout? |
| 03:21.01 | Bibi | oh well |
| 03:21.13 | Bibi | then you can draw a graph and know when she plays during the day |
| 03:21.39 | Bibi | and get in front of his house 15 minutes before she stops playing and goes out every evening. |
| 03:21.49 | Bibi | or better, you can peek at her window when she goes to bed |
| 03:22.05 | Bibi | neighbors won't warn her because you'll only be here for like 20 mins, because you know when she goes to bed! |
| 03:22.53 | Kraps | calls the cops on Bibi |
| 03:28.12 | Thunder_Child | knows when Bibi goes to bed |
| 03:29.23 | WobWork | or if you're not in her guild you grats her for achievements |
| 03:29.50 | Dagmar | Tha-a-a-at's just a little creepy. |
| 03:35.08 | Thunder_Child | there needs to be something smiliar to MENSA as a guild |
| 03:35.21 | Thunder_Child | this stupidity is tiring |
| 03:48.52 | WobWork | http://nerdnirvana.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/fan-of-peta.jpg |
| 03:51.16 | Thunder_Child | from PETA to gays. how am i not surprised |
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| 04:03.46 | WobWork | 6 degrees of separation |
| 04:04.06 | WobWork | although it's more like Godwin's Law |
| 04:04.23 | WobWork | how soon an internet joke conversation degrades down to homophobia =P |
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| 04:11.52 | A-KO | http://i49.tinypic.com/2nlftbd.jpg |
| 04:13.32 | Nechckn | Oh.my |
| 04:15.11 | Nechckn | WobWork that is fast degradation |
| 04:15.42 | Nechckn | from "meh" to gutter dragging in an instant! Weeee! |
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| 04:17.17 | WobWork | ~weather yssy |
| 04:18.09 | WobWork | I'm glad i've not actually gone outside today =P |
| 04:18.18 | WobWork | although I might head out for a milkshake... |
| 04:19.13 | WobWork | holy crap =( |
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| 04:19.17 | WobWork | tomorrow max is 39 |
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| 04:28.26 | Kraps | how do i throw a dalaran fountain coin back? right-clicking doesnt do anything |
| 04:28.51 | Dagmar | Is it a copper one? |
| 04:29.26 | Kraps | yes |
| 04:29.36 | Kraps | cant do it? |
| 04:30.08 | Thunder_Child | only gold i think |
| 04:31.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
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| 05:38.16 | Adys | That's... odd |
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| 05:38.43 | Adys | Or maybe just messed up |
| 05:38.59 | Adys | looks like Google is being overprotective of an old gmail address |
| 05:39.43 | Adys | login backlog shows that only their webclient logged in to retrieve and forward mails, but since it's not my regular ip (its a google ip) they blocked it and reset the pw |
| 05:46.04 | Jerub | boo! hiss! security! |
| 05:50.13 | awweaver | Hello, i have a question how do i extract the argument for the author out of this event CHAT_MSG_CHANNE ? |
| 05:57.40 | WobWork | look into an example of how to hook into events |
| 05:57.42 | awweaver | Hello, anyone there? |
| 05:57.47 | awweaver | o.. |
| 05:57.54 | awweaver | didnt see the response... |
| 05:58.21 | WobWork | also, don't expect a fast response on this channel =P Despite the members, there may not be anyone actually around |
| 05:58.32 | WobWork | but ask your question anyway, and hope for a response |
| 05:59.05 | Jerub | yeah, they might be raiding :P |
| 06:01.43 | awweaver | Or pillaging |
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| 06:04.23 | awweaver | google is failing me right now... |
| 06:07.19 | Seerah | or sleeping... or coding (as I was ;) ) |
| 06:08.48 | awweaver | im just having a hard time finding out how to kook events... |
| 06:08.55 | awweaver | hook |
| 06:09.24 | Seerah | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL |
| 06:10.20 | awweaver | yes but how do i used the stuff... |
| 06:10.26 | awweaver | use... |
| 06:10.37 | awweaver | hwo do i use the arguments |
| 06:11.04 | Seerah | http://www.wowwiki.com/Handling_events |
| 06:14.16 | awweaver | gah... |
| 06:16.09 | Nechckn | After that US SC opinion today, yikes. I keep going back to lil' Ms. Padme's "So this is how liberty dies..." comment. |
| 06:16.41 | Nechckn | woops- not meant for here, but whatever.. |
| 06:19.54 | Jerub | has anyone else seen those animated peon ads in org on their server? |
| 06:20.36 | awweaver | animated? really... |
| 06:20.56 | Jerub | uh, got two videos here: http://leaf.posterous.com/ |
| 06:21.28 | awweaver | ok this is really frustrating... |
| 06:22.30 | Nechckn | Jerub Have not seen that. They really need to start requiring a valid CC for trial accts. |
| 06:23.05 | Jerub | half of .COM was missing in that one, they were there earlier in the night |
| 06:23.15 | Nechckn | The whole point is to let people try before they buy, if they have no CC, then they could never buy - so we get 4 year-olds and crap like that. |
| 06:23.16 | WobWork | Nechckn: that would cut out all the lucrative <18 accounts =P |
| 06:23.37 | WobWork | yes, but they want to try it before they bug Mum and Dad to buy the account for them |
| 06:23.52 | Nechckn | sucks |
| 06:23.55 | Nechckn | heheheh |
| 06:24.18 | Nechckn | It's been out for long enough now... |
| 06:24.25 | awweaver | Ok guys i need help my error thing says theres an error somewhere in this code and i cant for the life of me find it http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131789 |
| 06:24.39 | awweaver | It says expected ) |
| 06:25.56 | Seerah | why do you have parentheses around "YOUR CURRENT......" on line 5? and then no comma between that and nil |
| 06:26.22 | awweaver | was trying it to see it it was the problem... |
| 06:27.02 | Seerah | also, is && a valid Lua operator? I don't think so. |
| 06:27.10 | awweaver | still same error after i removed it |
| 06:27.26 | awweaver | ok what is the thing for and then? |
| 06:27.27 | Seerah | what is your error? (exactly, not a generalization) |
| 06:27.29 | Seerah | and |
| 06:27.43 | awweaver | it says expected ) |
| 06:27.48 | awweaver | exactly as it says it |
| 06:27.52 | Seerah | I said exactly |
| 06:28.10 | Seerah | that's not what your error says exactly. your error will give a line number, etc. |
| 06:29.02 | awweaver | line 3 |
| 06:29.48 | Seerah | please provide your error in its entirety |
| 06:29.53 | Seerah | help us help you |
| 06:30.05 | awweaver | it moves the cursor to just after the "...;" |
| 06:30.18 | awweaver | is there a way to compy the rrro msg? |
| 06:30.23 | Nechckn | The easiest way is to install an error catcher - there are many |
| 06:30.23 | Seerah | what moves the cursor? |
| 06:30.55 | awweaver | when i double clickt eh erro msg it moves the cursor to where it thinks the error is... |
| 06:31.13 | Seerah | WHAT moves the cursor? |
| 06:31.20 | Seerah | are you using AddonStudio or something? |
| 06:31.47 | awweaver | Im using WoW UI Designer... |
| 06:32.02 | Seerah | oh god, that's so out of date |
| 06:32.15 | awweaver | ......... |
| 06:32.57 | Nechckn | Install and use http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6681-tekErr.html |
| 06:33.07 | Seerah | and debug your addons in-game :) |
| 06:33.25 | Nechckn | And... for the love of all that is holy, get outta the wowuidesigner =) |
| 06:33.25 | Seerah | also, all you need is a text editor. Some have more bells and whistles than others. I prefer Notepad++ |
| 06:33.59 | awweaver | .....will it tell me whats wrong... |
| 06:34.35 | Seerah | I wouldn't bother yet with getting tekerr. even just the default Blizz error window will tell him where his problem is. |
| 06:34.47 | Nechckn | It will give you a stacktrace so that you can more easily figure out what is up. |
| 06:35.15 | Nechckn | But, as Seerah says, the built in one within WoW is better than anything external. |
| 06:36.29 | Seerah | please excuse me while I head to bed. good luck :) |
| 06:36.31 | awweaver | ok notepad++ running( i already had it... |
| 06:36.50 | awweaver | and it knows what language it is i didnt tell it anything |
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| 06:39.07 | Nechckn | since you are working within the Lua and not the TOC, you can just /console reloadui to test changes and the like, once you save them, of course. |
| 06:39.45 | awweaver | or /reloadui |
| 06:39.50 | Nechckn | So, ensure your spaces are correct and all of that fun stuff, then load up WoW and see if *it* throws an error. |
| 06:40.06 | awweaver | nope no errors, yet... |
| 06:40.56 | Nechckn | you need to set WoW to display Lua errors |
| 06:40.58 | awweaver | grr...now my addon isnt working |
| 06:41.00 | Nechckn | in the options |
| 06:41.16 | awweaver | it was working just fine yesterday |
| 06:41.33 | Nechckn | So... go back to what you had yesterday. Then try again. |
| 06:41.39 | awweaver | and it does display lua errors... |
| 06:42.21 | awweaver | ok the addon shows up in the list... |
| 06:43.11 | Nechckn | Once you go back to what is working, then, when/if there is an error it will tell you the line number and exactly what is wrong. |
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| 06:43.56 | Nechckn | The issue with the designer is that it is horribly out of date - does not include any of the updates from at least the last year. No one is trying to make it harder on you, quite the opposite. =) |
| 06:44.19 | Nechckn | Good idea and all, but it is just not supported anymore. |
| 06:44.20 | awweaver | this is annyoying,,,,i changed nothing that would make it not work... |
| 06:44.32 | awweaver | the slash commands dont work.. |
| 06:48.33 | awweaver | i have an erro now... |
| 06:48.45 | awweaver | error |
| 06:48.50 | awweaver | AddOns\Jerklist\JerkList.lua line 87: |
| 06:48.50 | awweaver | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:49.26 | awweaver | i mignht have fixed it, reloading now |
| 06:51.40 | awweaver | ok slash commands working... |
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| 06:54.13 | awweaver | how do i search a array....this is in a if statement |
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| 06:55.48 | awweaver | is this line correct? local message, sender, language, channelString, |
| 06:55.48 | awweaver | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.06 | awweaver | sry about the long statement, i didnt feel it was long enough for a pstey... |
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| 06:59.39 | Jerub | is it work using a DKP system? |
| 07:00.51 | awweaver | say waht? |
| 07:01.14 | awweaver | Death Knight Points? |
| 07:05.00 | awweaver | how do i find the length of an array... |
| 07:06.08 | awweaver | google is my friend right now, nvm |
| 07:09.10 | Nechckn | Sorry, awweaver Need to get some talking points ready for a conference in the morning. |
| 07:09.19 | awweaver | Ok! |
| 07:09.30 | awweaver | its ok, i just need to google more... |
| 07:09.57 | awweaver | But one thing, how do i write to a saved variable |
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| 07:10.41 | awweaver | and how do i add it to the toc so its in there... |
| 07:11.41 | awweaver | sry im thinking what i want but my fingers arent typing it all |
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| 07:18.09 | zenzio | so, the victims of the earthquake feel they are being forgotten by the world... sounds just like it was before the quake |
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| 07:57.47 | Recluse | anyone know the time in belgium? |
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| 08:02.54 | Adys | Recluse: |
| 08:02.58 | Adys | !g time in belgium |
| 08:02.58 | batbot | Adys: Belgium current local time from WorldTimeServer.com <http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_BE.aspx> |
| 08:03.11 | Adys | meh |
| 08:03.52 | Adys | its supposed to use the onebox |
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| 08:06.21 | Recluse | hmm XD |
| 08:07.57 | Arrowmaster | Adys: i actually complained to batrick about that before and he said thats a different api than the search api |
| 08:09.48 | nevcairiel | its 9:10am anyway |
| 08:10.30 | Recluse | :p |
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| 09:23.47 | mitch0 | 10:23am Friday (CET) - Time in Belgium |
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| 10:08.54 | Arrowmaster | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/01/90-of-ipv4-address-space-used-ipv6-move-looking-messy.ars |
| 10:09.00 | Arrowmaster | i need to brush up on my ipv6 |
| 10:09.11 | Arrowmaster | its not like anybody else actually knows it |
| 10:09.28 | zenzio | true |
| 10:09.31 | Arrowmaster | so it will be a potential resume booster |
| 10:09.50 | zenzio | I find it amusing that people have been saying the Internet is runnign out of IPs for like five years or more now |
| 10:09.55 | zenzio | and only now is it becoming true |
| 10:09.57 | Vangual | can i have my own :dead:beef: address inside my house's address space? |
| 10:10.14 | Arrowmaster | you can get one from any tunnel broker |
| 10:10.34 | Arrowmaster | they give like /64 or /48's |
| 10:10.56 | Vangual | that subnet bitmask just made my mind boggle |
| 10:10.59 | Corrodias | until ISP's finally start handing them out? or are tunnel brokers going to be a permanent fixture of v6? |
| 10:11.14 | wereHamster | I have a /48 subnet, yay :) |
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| 10:11.49 | wereHamster | .. and no idea what to do with so many addresses. |
| 10:12.21 | zenzio | clearly you want your toothbrush and your electric razor to have built-in webservers so people can watch |
| 10:12.36 | Arrowmaster | i dont know what the isp's are doing and if they will just lump everybody on their network and into subnets or provide individual subnets per subscriber so each subscribers network has its own subnet |
| 10:13.23 | Arrowmaster | but i think for some of the automatic ipv6 address assignment stuff atleast a /48 or /64 is required |
| 10:13.48 | Arrowmaster | but i suspect most isps will want to keep using dhcp |
| 10:13.52 | wereHamster | I think at some point the idea was that everyone gets his own /48 |
| 10:14.03 | Vangual | http://www.withings.com/ <-- not the toothbrush yet but getting there |
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| 10:14.21 | nevcairiel | imho a 48 is still too big, no sane people can use a full /64 :P |
| 10:14.22 | Arrowmaster | wereHamster: there wouldnt be enough if that was true |
| 10:15.06 | Arrowmaster | the tunnel brokers give out way too many per account just because of how the automatic addressing stuff works |
| 10:15.13 | wereHamster | for autoconfiguration you need at least a /64 .. |
| 10:15.41 | Arrowmaster | right, and an isp could just use one single /64 and be done with it |
| 10:15.55 | wereHamster | true.. |
| 10:16.03 | Dagmar | Well come on |
| 10:16.18 | Dagmar | That IS like thirty-two billion internets worth of IP space |
| 10:16.49 | Corrodias | v6 gives us lots of space at this time, so of course the first thing we do is waste it |
| 10:17.06 | Corrodias | what could a couple of bytes matter? hyuk hyuk |
| 10:17.25 | zenzio | 2016: Internet running out of space - again! |
| 10:17.37 | Dagmar | It is also reasonable to extrapolate that unless we all learn how to take in all our nutrients from the air and sunlight, everyone on the planet could assign an IPv6 address to each bone of their body, and all their family members, and we'd still not run out |
| 10:17.41 | Arrowmaster | now stuff like business class cable would be more likely to give each customer a /64 because the custom needs the added features of having a subnet |
| 10:18.17 | Corrodias | true enough |
| 10:18.49 | Fisker | you wouldn't illegally download Mass Effect 2 zenzio |
| 10:18.56 | zenzio | of course I wouldn't |
| 10:19.09 | Corrodias | i wouldn't, though i might download a nice car |
| 10:19.27 | zenzio | I need to download a drivers' licence before I can do that |
| 10:19.34 | Arrowmaster | think of applications that only work across an ipv4 subnet like windows file sharing (it works across subnets but you need a WINS server configured for it) |
| 10:19.50 | Corrodias | i'm not pleased with EA's pandering to retailers with exclusive "extras", but overall i don't think i have any other significant complaints |
| 10:19.54 | Arrowmaster | you cant really do that when you have a cable modem and 2 ipv4 addresses from the cable modem |
| 10:20.33 | nevcairiel | in theory there are about 2^95 adresses for *every* person on the planet, so i doubt we can really waste it |
| 10:21.02 | zenzio | each of my dust mites needs his own IP |
| 10:21.04 | Corrodias | i suppose that's a good argument |
| 10:21.36 | nevcairiel | Although the adress space is that big to allow a more structures allocation |
| 10:21.38 | Corrodias | each of my processors needs an IP. and each of their registers. also the stream processors in my GPU. |
| 10:21.41 | nevcairiel | it still leaves enough adresses |
| 10:21.45 | wereHamster | that's the theory, but no ISP is going to give you less than /64 ... so there you have the address space cut in half right there |
| 10:21.52 | Arrowmaster | do those calculations take into account all the reserved addresses? |
| 10:22.04 | zenzio | I'll assign an IP for each byte in my RAM bricks |
| 10:22.23 | Dagmar | I can pretty much guarantee you that if cable companies figure out how to make traffic come to you and give you smaller than a /64, they'll do it |
| 10:22.36 | nevcairiel | no, but even if half of the adress space is reserved, it just cuts down one exponent |
| 10:22.46 | Corrodias | sounds about right for most ISP's, Dagmar |
| 10:23.11 | Dagmar | I mean for pete's sake these are the people who tried to get laws passed that would make running your own firewall at home a felony |
| 10:23.11 | Arrowmaster | wereHamster: thats what i was arguing, currently when you get multiple addresses on a cable modem you lose the ability to use subnet limited applications, i think the isps will do the same with ipv6 |
| 10:23.23 | wereHamster | I would kick any ISPs butt if they gave me less than /64 (I *want* autoconfiguration!) |
| 10:23.38 | Arrowmaster | they could still do autoconfiguration |
| 10:24.09 | Arrowmaster | just youd be on the same subnet as everybody else using the ISP, just like you currently are with ipv4 |
| 10:25.02 | wereHamster | yeah, broadcasting packets to all the other customers in my subnet ;) |
| 10:25.13 | nevcairiel | the routers could just filter that out |
| 10:25.19 | Arrowmaster | except they firewall the broadcast addresses |
| 10:25.32 | Arrowmaster | s/firewall/null route/ |
| 10:25.36 | wereHamster | how would my client then find out if the address is already in use? |
| 10:26.09 | nevcairiel | but we still have enough /64 nets .. its like, the ipv4 adress space squared |
| 10:27.08 | nevcairiel | thats still like 2 billions subnets per person on the planet |
| 10:27.09 | Arrowmaster | wereHamster: then they will disable the autoconfiguration and use dhcpv6 |
| 10:27.27 | wereHamster | ah, ipv6 autoconfiguration doesn't use broadcast to detect duplicate addresses |
| 10:27.34 | Arrowmaster | ok then |
| 10:27.39 | Arrowmaster | problem solved |
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| 10:27.43 | wereHamster | you can't disable autoconfigration, it's configured in the clients ;) |
| 10:27.48 | wereHamster | s/you/they/ |
| 10:27.51 | Arrowmaster | yes you can |
| 10:28.17 | wereHamster | uhm, how? |
| 10:28.19 | Arrowmaster | otherwise how would dhcpv6 work |
| 10:28.26 | Arrowmaster | and be enforcable |
| 10:28.57 | wereHamster | how can anyone else force me to not use autoconfiguration? |
| 10:29.18 | nevcairiel | dhcpv6 requires the clients to know that they should use it, iirc |
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| 10:29.58 | nevcairiel | although you can use both in tandem to request information that the stateless auto-configuration doesnt provide |
| 10:30.01 | nevcairiel | like DNS servers |
| 10:30.24 | Arrowmaster | now the auto configuration like when you connect two clients with nothing else and no access to the internet, that cant be disabled |
| 10:30.48 | Arrowmaster | but if you want to get a public routable address the isp is going to have full control over how you get that |
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| 10:32.08 | wereHamster | you mean they'd block any address that wasn't claimed by dhcpv6 ? |
| 10:32.21 | Arrowmaster | i guess they could |
| 10:32.36 | nevcairiel | they could just not advertise your net prefix, and autoconfiguration wouldnt really work then, would it |
| 10:32.59 | Arrowmaster | like i said i still need to brush up on my ipv6 but i know for a fact it was discussed that isps could enforce the usage of dhcpv6 |
| 10:33.31 | Arrowmaster | otherwise it would be completely pointless to even have it |
| 10:34.13 | nevcairiel | "Routers advertise prefixes that identify the subnet(s) associated with a link, while hosts generate an "interface identifier" that uniquely identifies an interface on a subnet." |
| 10:34.21 | nevcairiel | if the routers just don't do that, the autoconfig is off |
| 10:34.29 | nevcairiel | and they would have to rely on dhcp |
| 10:34.38 | Arrowmaster | right |
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| 10:35.03 | Arrowmaster | so if you were using autoconfig it would be like you were on your own little private network |
| 10:35.45 | nevcairiel | I wonder when ISPs around here will actually start to give us IPv6 |
| 10:35.48 | Arrowmaster | trust me when i say everything is going to have to support dhcpv6, the isps will not give up their control to autoconfig |
| 10:36.13 | nevcairiel | they'll need dhcpv6 anyway to spread information like DNS servers |
| 10:36.33 | Arrowmaster | but for when you dont have dhcpv6 the autoconfig will make everything just plugin and go |
| 10:36.43 | Laibcoms | most ISPs will provide IPv6 no more than 1 week before any set deadline ;) that's what they do :p |
| 10:37.05 | nevcairiel | Their biggest problem will be customer support |
| 10:37.35 | nevcairiel | Do the routers they send out today already support ipv6? do they allow briding ipv4 to ipv6 internally if the clients on the network dont? etc.etc |
| 10:37.40 | Arrowmaster | Laibcoms: that or only once they have been denied any new ipv4 addresses and its either switch to ipv6 or dont accept any new customers |
| 10:37.48 | Laibcoms | yep. if they can avoid it, they'll avoid it. "when we're there, then we'll tackle it" point-of-view |
| 10:37.57 | Laibcoms | yep |
| 10:38.14 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: hell no, and dsl is 100% FUCKED |
| 10:38.25 | Arrowmaster | with those stupid modem/router combos |
| 10:38.47 | nevcairiel | the modem doesnt care, and i would bet that most routers would in theory already support it |
| 10:39.01 | nevcairiel | the newer ones, anyway |
| 10:39.02 | Arrowmaster | trust me, the home routers do not |
| 10:39.16 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:39.19 | Fisker | "oops" |
| 10:39.33 | nevcairiel | they should start a ipv6-beta-test and allow customers to flag their account for ipv6 |
| 10:39.34 | Arrowmaster | i dont know about the 802.11n ones since theyve actually been forced to upgrade those to better quality |
| 10:39.38 | Kalroth | most home routers are shittier than shit |
| 10:40.08 | Arrowmaster | but anything thats not an 802.11n router will not support ipv6 with its default firmware |
| 10:40.09 | nevcairiel | thats why i only got their modem and got me my own router :d |
| 10:40.14 | Kalroth | one of the local ISPs here sent out a cheap Zyxel model to their customer; max 128 concurrent connections |
| 10:40.29 | Laibcoms | haha yes. mine's one of those super closed, untouchable, modem/router T_T |
| 10:41.23 | Arrowmaster | you can get ipv6 on a wrt54g ish router though, using dd-wrt i think |
| 10:42.15 | nevcairiel | Just in december i read a news that germany was allocated their ipv6 netblock |
| 10:42.23 | nevcairiel | something like 10^30 addresses |
| 10:42.30 | Laibcoms | O_O wow |
| 10:43.22 | nevcairiel | thats approx 2^70 fwiw |
| 10:45.52 | Laibcoms | I think what the IPv6 gurus should clarify this early is what will happen to our security. I mean, literally each PC in the world can be assigned a unique IP6. |
| 10:46.29 | tekkub | NATs aren't firewalls |
| 10:46.35 | Laibcoms | ahh |
| 10:46.35 | tekkub | that's just s lovely side effect |
| 10:46.56 | nevcairiel | NATs are usually even better then firewalls, since they are closed completly from the outside by default :D |
| 10:46.57 | tekkub | and it's made a lot of home users too lazy to understand why they need a firewall |
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| 10:47.18 | nevcairiel | but yeah, the homerouters will have to become better firewalls |
| 10:47.22 | tekkub | IPv6 routes just need to block all inbound connections by default as well |
| 10:47.49 | tekkub | but you know that very few router makers are going to realize that until everyone has a router that doesnt' do it |
| 10:48.08 | nevcairiel | back to the windows firewall! |
| 10:48.14 | Kalroth | I got a better idea, lets secure Windows! |
| 10:48.15 | tekkub | Apple already fucked that one up on the airports |
| 10:48.32 | BWMerlin | everyone should use openbsd or debian |
| 10:48.34 | Arrowmaster | technically i doubt they will even be routers anymore |
| 10:49.01 | tekkub | technically... they'be be closer to a router than the NATs everyone has now are |
| 10:49.08 | Laibcoms | Linux! :p well, at least WoW runs on Linux... most other games doesn't :/ |
| 10:49.10 | tekkub | a *true* router |
| 10:49.40 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: thats only if the ISPs let them |
| 10:49.46 | BWMerlin | reckon they will release wow linux binaries? |
| 10:49.54 | nevcairiel | BWMerlin: no |
| 10:49.56 | Laibcoms | BWMerlin: nope, just via wine |
| 10:50.15 | BWMerlin | shame |
| 10:50.18 | tekkub | indeed, I don't expect ISPs to let IPv6 work on that last link to the consumer for years, if ever |
| 10:50.57 | nevcairiel | You think they start doing a 6to4 tunnel to the customers? |
| 10:51.27 | Arrowmaster | i expect the ISPs to let devices get an ipv6 address from the isp and work but no router advertisements will be honored |
| 10:51.28 | tekkub | I think of ISPs like I cell providers |
| 10:51.37 | nevcairiel | I guess that would solve their customer support issues |
| 10:51.43 | tekkub | they have *zero* incentive to change their service in any way |
| 10:51.46 | Laibcoms | BWMerlin: yep. and since we can make it run via wine, the more they won't bother. less people to hire, less headaches, let the community handle it |
| 10:52.45 | Laibcoms | yep, until they're forced to, they'll stick to their current system |
| 10:52.55 | tekkub | and they'll never be forced to |
| 10:53.30 | tekkub | unless someone in the gov't decides that the digital cable transition went perfectly and next up is IPv6 |
| 10:53.34 | nevcairiel | once people realize how insecure GSM is, and once our systems are fast enough to crack it in realtime .. they might start to care |
| 10:53.56 | nevcairiel | for the cell providers, at least :d |
| 10:54.07 | tekkub | you know what I find hilarious? |
| 10:54.20 | BWMerlin | pushing old ppl down the stairs? |
| 10:54.26 | tekkub | my lil nexus phone, tmobile's billing app REFUSES to work on wid |
| 10:54.28 | tekkub | wifi* |
| 10:54.39 | tekkub | it disables the wifi and get the info over 3G |
| 10:54.54 | tekkub | HELLO... 1) it's MY wifi. 2) encryption |
| 10:55.28 | nevcairiel | for IPv6, well, they probably would have to send everyone a new router, and deal with alot of support issues, so if they can run their own 6to4 to shield their customers from ipv6, they will |
| 10:55.51 | nevcairiel | I just wish i could call a tech at my ISP and ask them to unlock me for real ipv6 if i want to |
| 10:56.02 | tekkub | I don't think they'll ever drop IPv4 for that enduser link |
| 10:56.12 | tekkub | there's a slight chance in hell they'll allow IPv6 |
| 10:56.24 | nevcairiel | They would probably support both |
| 10:56.24 | tekkub | but i kinda doubt there will be any motivation if they dont' drop 4 |
| 10:56.35 | nevcairiel | give you a ipv4 route, and allow ipv6 as well |
| 10:57.29 | nevcairiel | although it might get complicated if we really run out of ipv4 adresses and internet services start to become only-ipv6 at some point in time |
| 10:57.34 | Laibcoms | I hope it costs them more in the long-run if they'll do 6to4 to users :/ |
| 10:58.42 | tekkub | meh |
| 10:58.43 | tekkub | fuck it |
| 10:58.48 | tekkub | Ipv8, it's better |
| 10:58.54 | Laibcoms | :D |
| 10:58.56 | nevcairiel | what happend to 7? |
| 10:58.57 | tekkub | stop wasting time with 4 and 6 |
| 10:59.06 | BWMerlin | does such a think exist? |
| 10:59.07 | tekkub | what happened to 1,2, 3, and 5 |
| 10:59.08 | tekkub | ? |
| 10:59.14 | Arrowmaster | i could see them doing 6to4 to users and giving all their customers local ipv4 addresses just to keep those customers without working ipv6 connected |
| 10:59.18 | Fisker | china has ipv5! |
| 10:59.19 | Fisker | i think |
| 10:59.23 | nevcairiel | 5 was a failed protocol |
| 10:59.40 | tekkub | no, china has IPv1.4 and a huge ass-firewall |
| 10:59.42 | Fisker | or was that ipv9? |
| 10:59.49 | Arrowmaster | i think it was 9 |
| 11:00.08 | tekkub | nah, just merge 4 and 6 |
| 11:00.09 | Laibcoms | and they have their own root network too |
| 11:00.11 | tekkub | IPv24 |
| 11:00.17 | nevcairiel | Internet Stream Protocol, or IPv5 .. marked as failed and forgotten |
| 11:00.22 | nevcairiel | for 1-3 .. who knows |
| 11:00.25 | tekkub | it has.. uh... how many addresses do 4 and 6 have? |
| 11:00.41 | nevcairiel | 6 has 2^128, 4 2^32 |
| 11:00.41 | Arrowmaster | but it was also more of an 'hey were are going to say fuck you to the rest of the world and do our own thing and just randomly steal a name' instead of them actually progressing to ipv9 |
| 11:01.10 | tekkub | so 24 has 2^160 addresses! |
| 11:01.13 | nevcairiel | DoD Standard Internet Protocol <-- IPv3 |
| 11:01.22 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: they are on the other side of the world, apparently they just read the 6 upside-down :P |
| 11:01.32 | Laibcoms | Maldivia: LOL |
| 11:01.53 | nevcairiel | cant find stuff about IPv2 :( |
| 11:02.51 | zenzio | China may be on the other side of the world, but they're in the same hemisphere |
| 11:03.20 | nevcairiel | you know how they say, when you dig deep enough you come back out in china? it all makes sense! |
| 11:03.26 | Arrowmaster | TCP/IPv4 has been in use since 81, before that it was NCP i believe |
| 11:03.30 | Fisker | good job ruining it zenzio |
| 11:03.31 | Fisker | jerk |
| 11:03.46 | zenzio | np |
| 11:04.22 | nevcairiel | apparently IPv3 wasnt too different from IPv4 |
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| 11:04.35 | nevcairiel | it replaced the old ARPANET protocols |
| 11:05.26 | nevcairiel | and then shortly after it was released as IPv4 with some final fixes |
| 11:06.26 | Arrowmaster | i would ask my uncle if it was possible to contact him but i dont think it is yet |
| 11:08.54 | Fisker | :3? |
| 11:09.35 | Arrowmaster | he had a major role in connecting the MIT 6180 to ARPANET |
| 11:11.31 | nevcairiel | being among the people that setup the first net connection must've been so cool |
| 11:12.00 | Fisker | al gore IS cool |
| 11:12.35 | Arrowmaster | MIT 6180 connection to ARPANET using the interface he worked on was in 73 |
| 11:12.50 | nevcairiel | late! :p |
| 11:13.30 | Arrowmaster | yeah but it was for Multics |
| 11:13.42 | Arrowmaster | predicessor to unix |
| 11:18.15 | Adys | for the ones who havent seen it |
| 11:18.15 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CXdPQYUaMA |
| 11:19.20 | Vangual | Blizzard sold their 3D set? |
| 11:20.09 | Fisker | 3d set? |
| 11:23.55 | Vangual | the arthas one of the wotlk intro.. to that russian(?) company doing the commercial |
| 11:24.20 | Arrowmaster | more like it was copied |
| 11:28.27 | Fisker | Blizzard made the intro |
| 11:28.31 | Fisker | they're huge ice skating fans |
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| 11:51.21 | Recluse | Where did they add the new horde zep to thunder bluff anyhow? |
| 11:51.39 | zenzio | by the one to Northrend I think |
| 11:51.44 | A-KO | yeah it's by the Northrend zep |
| 11:51.59 | Recluse | huh |
| 11:52.08 | A-KO | if you walk out of Org, go right |
| 11:52.13 | A-KO | zeppelin tower |
| 11:52.51 | Recluse | interesting |
| 11:53.30 | Recluse | they didn't add it to the undercity one too did they? |
| 11:53.35 | A-KO | nope |
| 11:53.38 | A-KO | just to the northrend tower |
| 11:53.39 | Recluse | hehe |
| 11:53.50 | A-KO | it also takes a while to fly it |
| 11:53.55 | A-KO | I think the flight path is faster tbh |
| 11:54.12 | Recluse | better than walking (lowbie alt) |
| 11:54.24 | A-KO | It was primarily added I think because both of those zones will still be noobie zones, but in Cataclysm the Barrens becomes a high level zone that lowbies can't run through. |
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| 11:55.08 | Recluse | that's an interesting idea |
| 11:55.31 | A-KO | that and it makes that one, single quest much easier |
| 11:55.31 | A-KO | lol |
| 11:55.42 | A-KO | that one that asks you to get to Orgrimmar in 20 minutes or some shit like that |
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| 11:55.59 | Recluse | D= don't remember that one lol |
| 11:59.06 | Laibcoms | lol, I can't wait to fly in azeroth and admire the 'new' beauty |
| 11:59.51 | ZorbaBeta | a-ko, I doubt that's the reason for it - they're going to be changing the old world enough that there's no reason to add the zeppelin today for a change in half a year |
| 12:00.31 | ZorbaBeta | I think they just added it to make getting to the capital cities for the first time easier, similar to the boat rejiggering to get rid of the infamous Alliance Wetlands Run |
| 12:15.22 | Recluse | hmm, i wonder if you can jump off at XR (will die, but next to gy) to get there too |
| 12:22.29 | ZorbaBeta | when I wanted to get to Thunder Bluff as Alliance, from near Orgrimmar, I ended up jumping the zeppelin |
| 12:22.55 | ZorbaBeta | I got killed on it a few seconds after it departed, but I decided to see what happened if I waited to release until I reached TB. Worked perfectly, I spawned in a graveyard near TB |
| 12:23.04 | ZorbaBeta | pretty dang convenient really :D |
| 12:28.05 | A-KO | honestly i really hope they change some of the way guards are used in Cataclysm, though they probably won't. I'd like to see more guards in more areas. Essentially the horde and alliance building more outposts and strongholds |
| 12:28.17 | A-KO | like maybe some more Orc towers in Durotar, etc. |
| 12:28.40 | zenzio | let's bring back the flying guards from Outland in the new Azeroth! |
| 12:28.54 | A-KO | I think if they focused a bit more on the "horde vs. alliance" aspect of the game, it might bring back some of the magic that was world PVP back when the game came out. |
| 12:29.36 | A-KO | There is an experience that you just don't get anymore that you got early on in the game, and that was seeing your first opposite faction character on a PVP realm in a contested area. The question comes up of whether to attack, whether they'll attack you, as you can't speak, etc. |
| 12:29.46 | ZorbaBeta | world pvp in WoW was solely an artifact of having nothing better. there's not a whole lot to recommend it - like classic deathmatch, it's a game mechanic that is largely dead. |
| 12:30.08 | zenzio | A-KO: NEVRENROTHAS |
| 12:30.12 | A-KO | ZorbaBeta: Well, what I mean is to simply build back some more of that tension |
| 12:30.13 | ZorbaBeta | a-ko, that . . . what? what about, I don't know, the modern experience of seeing your first opposite faction character on a pvp realm in a contested area, which is exactly still like that? |
| 12:30.23 | ZorbaBeta | (except for the part where they're probably sixty levels above you and about to gank you) |
| 12:30.49 | A-KO | I can't talk shit about gankers, I ganked a lot when I was on a pvp realm.....(largely because it happened to me). |
| 12:31.01 | A-KO | I'm hoping they just build up more on this war and tension--the splitting of the cities will help |
| 12:31.11 | ZorbaBeta | I mean, what you're describing still happens |
| 12:31.44 | zenzio | Blizzard needs to come up with more things that doesn't require the horde and alliance to unite temporarily |
| 12:31.45 | A-KO | yeah but not the revenge raids on towns, etc. |
| 12:32.06 | A-KO | OMG THEY RAIDED THE CROSSROADS, LET'S FORM A LEVEL 30 RAID TO ATTACK ASTRANAAR! |
| 12:32.07 | A-KO | lol |
| 12:32.10 | Laibcoms | there used to be a feature (back in beta I think) where a faction can control a particular contested zone. all towns in that zone shifts control until the next round. they removed it on release. |
| 12:32.19 | olafski | zorbabeta: aww but the wetlands run was fun! |
| 12:32.23 | A-KO | Laibcoms: I don't remember that feature :P |
| 12:32.40 | A-KO | anyways off to work, bbl :P |
| 12:33.01 | ZorbaBeta | a-ko, fundamentally it's because it was a sucky mechanic and revenge/structured pvp has been done better in many other games |
| 12:33.09 | ZorbaBeta | I mean Puzzle Pirates has better long-term structured pvp than WoW does :) |
| 12:33.39 | ZorbaBeta | but any sort of real structured pvp has turned out to require the "long-term" aspect, and the politics game, and Blizzard has shown largely lack of interest in doing so. |
| 12:34.08 | Laibcoms | A-KO: :p IIRC, they did 2-3 sessions only, then it was never seen again, forgotten. |
| 12:35.01 | olafski | bah how useless is #wowwiki |
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| 12:58.37 | frontendloader | before I set out to do this one way, I definitely need to use coroutines to be able to process 20k auctions without hanging for 10 sec and disconnecting right? |
| 12:58.44 | frontendloader | from a getall scan |
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| 13:11.03 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 13:11.09 | [Wobin] | Cairenn, http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwleiacJky1qz7tiao1_500.jpg |
| 13:11.11 | [Wobin] | (squee) |
| 13:11.19 | Cairenn | awwwwww |
| 13:11.29 | Arrowmaster | you could probably do it other ways but coroutines tend to be the best way to do it |
| 13:11.57 | Wobin | frontendloader, that's if the getall scan doesn't dc you in the first place |
| 13:12.31 | frontendloader | I'm pretty solid with getalls in the first place, I only DC if my line is completely saturated |
| 13:12.48 | Wobin | I've never successfully ran a getall =P |
| 13:12.51 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 13:12.55 | Fisker | want to play mass effect 2? |
| 13:12.59 | frontendloader | thats pretty bad, are you AUS? |
| 13:13.14 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: you live down under, not blizzards fault your net fails |
| 13:13.31 | frontendloader | figures heh |
| 13:13.44 | Wobin | Fisker, I never played ME1 |
| 13:13.51 | frontendloader | me2 has mp? |
| 13:15.18 | frontendloader | I'm still playing DAO, maybe only 10% of the way through if that :( |
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| 13:21.46 | frontendloader | do I need to manually throttle it? |
| 13:22.15 | frontendloader | via gettime() or is yielding/re-entering after each loop through a for going to be enough? |
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| 13:23.37 | Shirik | See nevcairiel, this is why I edit wikipedia. To find classy things like this: |
| 13:23.40 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Number&diff=339339793&oldid=339339378 |
| 13:24.03 | Shirik | it made me chuckle :) |
| 13:25.08 | ZorbaBeta | best edit I saw was a single line added to the end of the first paragraph on "The Earth" |
| 13:25.14 | ZorbaBeta | "The Earth is the largest planet in the world." |
| 13:25.54 | frontendloader | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tables_of_vampire_traits |
| 13:26.01 | frontendloader | theres a funny in there |
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| 13:31.38 | frontendloader | http://wowprogramming.com/forums/development/171 found what I was looking for |
| 13:33.11 | Arrowmaster | hmm somebody i went to highschool with just got stationed in japan with the navy, im going to have to abuse this if i find something i want imported |
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| 13:56.56 | frontendloader | do coroutines keep the scope of the function that resumes them? |
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| 14:03.14 | cbreak | no |
| 14:03.18 | cbreak | scope? |
| 14:03.26 | cbreak | Lua is lexicaly scoped |
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| 15:10.06 | Shirik | anyone here seen avatar? |
| 15:10.09 | Shirik | Seerah?! |
| 15:10.14 | Shirik | Cairenn?! |
| 15:10.18 | Seerah | we're going to see it tonight |
| 15:10.23 | Shirik | .. |
| 15:10.24 | Cairenn | it was excellent |
| 15:10.25 | Shirik | failure |
| 15:10.26 | nevcairiel | i saw it |
| 15:10.32 | nevcairiel | its an awesome movie |
| 15:10.33 | Cairenn | absolutely excellent |
| 15:10.35 | Shirik | do you have any idea what a "Son of belial" is? |
| 15:10.49 | Shirik | I have seen hints it may be related to avatar |
| 15:10.52 | Shirik | but I can't tell |
| 15:11.11 | cbreak | my sister told me Avatar was shallow but the graphics rocket |
| 15:11.15 | Cairenn | the story is ... pretty "same old same old", but .... |
| 15:11.16 | Lopeppeppy | It's also biblical, Shirik. |
| 15:11.21 | Shirik | ok |
| 15:11.24 | Shirik | so that's what it is |
| 15:11.41 | Cairenn | I mean, I won't say what the story line is, but it's pretty standard |
| 15:11.42 | Seerah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belial |
| 15:11.47 | nevcairiel | In the Book of Jubilees, uncircumcised heathens are called "sons of Belial" |
| 15:11.48 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 15:11.49 | Cairenn | but the graphics .... omfg |
| 15:11.57 | nevcairiel | i hope you saw it in 3d, too |
| 15:12.09 | Cairenn | oh hell yes |
| 15:12.16 | Lopeppeppy | It may figure in Avatar too, if they bring something vaguely religious to bear, but I haven't seen the movie, so for me, it's biblical. And I'm going to see it this weekend, with or without these people who keep bailing on me and not going. |
| 15:12.18 | Cairenn | not imax, unfortunately, but still |
| 15:13.01 | Cairenn | go to the 3d version |
| 15:13.16 | nevcairiel | whats so special about it in imax? i mean, its already full 3d with the glasses |
| 15:13.20 | Cairenn | make sure you don't bother with 2d |
| 15:13.28 | Cairenn | nevcairiel: the screen curves around you more |
| 15:13.33 | Cairenn | so you're even more "in" it |
| 15:13.39 | Seerah | is this "new 3-D technology" really better? The last 3-D movie I saw (don't remember what it was... a few years ago though) gave me a migraine. So did the one before that. |
| 15:13.45 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I've heard that I need the 3d or nothing. |
| 15:14.32 | nevcairiel | Seerah: there are people that react to it with headaches, but in general the tech is alot better then whatever we had before |
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| 15:14.44 | Seerah | hmmmm |
| 15:14.48 | Cairenn | Imax is curved around you, so wider screen as well as taller, plus the curve makes it so you are much more "in" it |
| 15:15.00 | Lopeppeppy | As soon as I know when I get company on Saturday, I'll either see it Saturday or Sunday am. |
| 15:15.18 | Lopeppeppy | And the new 3d glasses fit over my regular glasses, so I can actually SEEEEEEEEE it. |
| 15:15.34 | Cairenn | Seerah: I had to work at it a bit to get my eyes to accept it, and I had a bit of a headache |
| 15:15.47 | Cairenn | but it didn't trigger one of my migraines, the way the old 3D used to |
| 15:15.57 | Seerah | thanks, Cairenn |
| 15:15.59 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: yeah, that helped too |
| 15:16.01 | nevcairiel | The movie was actually designed to start more slowly in the beginning so you can adapt to the 3d |
| 15:16.10 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 15:16.19 | Seerah | huh... :) |
| 15:16.22 | Cairenn | the first while my eyes weren't so happy about things, but it got better |
| 15:16.50 | Cairenn | and the fact that I could actually see the damn movie because I didn't have to take my regular glasses off.... |
| 15:16.58 | nevcairiel | sadly you can't just take off the 3d glasses and watch it in 2d if it doesnt work for you |
| 15:17.05 | Cairenn | no |
| 15:17.11 | nevcairiel | it looks all unfocused without the glasses :d |
| 15:17.16 | Cairenn | then you *will* have a headache/migraine |
| 15:17.50 | Cairenn | I tried taking them off to look at the screen, when I wasn't so sure at the beginning, and very quickly put them back on again |
| 15:17.59 | Seerah | yeah, all the 3-D movies have been like that. (I've tried that before, and it made my headaches worse) |
| 15:18.11 | Vangual | could just close one eye with the glasses, no? |
| 15:18.27 | nevcairiel | now that would be annoying for a movie |
| 15:18.29 | cbreak | yes |
| 15:18.42 | cbreak | you could use one-side glasses |
| 15:18.46 | Seerah | 3-D glasses with one eye, limiting your depth perception.... |
| 15:18.49 | cbreak | so both eyes see left or right |
| 15:18.51 | Cairenn | oh god |
| 15:18.53 | Lopeppeppy | Aaar, matey |
| 15:19.03 | Vangual | hehe |
| 15:19.07 | nevcairiel | yeah the same polarization filter on both eyes would work |
| 15:19.15 | nevcairiel | but i doubt they even bothered to produce anything like that |
| 15:19.32 | cbreak | normal sunglasses are like that |
| 15:19.41 | cbreak | although they use linear polarizers |
| 15:19.47 | cbreak | and not circular like Real3D |
| 15:19.54 | cbreak | (the technology disney uses over here) |
| 15:20.00 | cbreak | (-> won't work) |
| 15:20.11 | nevcairiel | yeah its real3D here too |
| 15:20.15 | nevcairiel | at least says so on the glasses |
| 15:21.09 | cbreak | 3D cinema is easier to see |
| 15:21.14 | cbreak | when you are away from the screen |
| 15:21.25 | cbreak | if you get close, the disparity from focus and vergence |
| 15:21.30 | cbreak | might induce heavy headace |
| 15:21.37 | cbreak | if you consume it for a prolonged time span |
| 15:22.02 | cbreak | I was in a group that tested 3D vision on students, and some couldn't walk straight after half an hour to an hour. |
| 15:22.06 | nevcairiel | good that i wouldnt ever get a seat in the front half of a cinema, no matter what movie |
| 15:22.14 | cbreak | (but that was more extreme than the movies that are made these days) |
| 15:24.03 | cog|away | wonder if looking at magic eye books would help practice for 3d movies |
| 15:24.23 | nevcairiel | i wonder why you would need to practice :d |
| 15:24.40 | cbreak | takes a bit of getting used to |
| 15:24.43 | cog|away | to not get headaches/watery eyes |
| 15:24.47 | Wobin | if you need to practise... chances are it won't work for you =P |
| 15:24.52 | cbreak | decoupling focus and vergence is not something that comes natural |
| 15:24.54 | cog|away | the 3d movies at disneyland are horrible |
| 15:25.19 | nevcairiel | thats probably not the same tech as the mainstream cinemas use now |
| 15:25.24 | cog|away | it's not |
| 15:25.50 | cbreak | one thing is the technology |
| 15:25.53 | cbreak | the other thing is the movie |
| 15:26.07 | cbreak | if the movie is badly made, you will get headace in any cinema |
| 15:26.30 | cbreak | we made some stereo movies in class... so bad... :) |
| 15:26.37 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 15:26.41 | cbreak | luckily only short movies, so no one went blind |
| 15:26.54 | cog|away | yeah, they actually *shot* the movies with polarized lenses, and then polarized the result so the scenes are significantly different due to glare |
| 15:27.00 | nevcairiel | in university we build a 3d animated game using shutter glasses |
| 15:27.16 | cbreak | we had several technologies |
| 15:27.26 | cbreak | special glasses with mirrors for watching split screens |
| 15:27.30 | cbreak | polarized projectors |
| 15:27.37 | cbreak | and autostereoscopic screens |
| 15:28.07 | cbreak | and of course anaglyph :) |
| 15:28.31 | cbreak | (the autostereoscopic screens sucked big time) |
| 15:28.36 | nevcairiel | was pretty fun, to enhance the experience we also had a image on the floor, so you would actually see the floor below you and then of course the wall in front of you |
| 15:28.47 | nevcairiel | sadly it was more of a tech demo then something playable :P |
| 15:29.28 | cbreak | yes, texturing is important |
| 15:30.16 | nevcairiel | we had a non-interactive rollercoaster for one, that really got you into the feeling |
| 15:30.31 | cbreak | nice :) |
| 15:30.45 | cbreak | I wrote an app as master thesis that generated fully customizable 3D scenes |
| 15:30.50 | cbreak | sterescopic ones |
| 15:30.58 | nevcairiel | I wonder if that project was continued after i was done |
| 15:30.59 | theorbtwo | thinks of the intro to half-life. |
| 15:31.03 | cbreak | that were projected using dual projectors, or a few other technologies |
| 15:31.11 | cbreak | customisable with lua of course :) |
| 15:31.16 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 15:31.18 | cbreak | http://the-color-black.net/blog/article/ExaminationRoom |
| 15:31.51 | cbreak | it's mainly used to test things on students |
| 15:32.50 | nevcairiel | All that talk about 3d and avatar kinda made me want to watch it again |
| 15:33.42 | cbreak | wonder if they put anaglyph or otherwise 3D version onthe DVD |
| 15:34.19 | theorbtwo | cbreak: anaglyph and blue characters would be difficult. |
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| 15:35.08 | cbreak | theorbtwo: I know. Mayan anaglyph! |
| 15:35.11 | nevcairiel | that reminds me .. i wanted to read up on the blu-ray 3d spec |
| 15:35.18 | theorbtwo | cbreak: Huh? |
| 15:35.31 | cbreak | not sure if it was published |
| 15:35.43 | cbreak | a kind of color preserving anaglyph I worked on as semester thesis |
| 15:35.51 | cbreak | it used not red-green or red-blue but cyan-magenta |
| 15:36.00 | theorbtwo | Ah. |
| 15:36.04 | cbreak | colors look much better |
| 15:36.09 | cbreak | but you get crosstalk on the blue channel |
| 15:38.19 | nevcairiel | Hm they don't explicitly say what tech is used to display 3d content on tvs |
| 15:38.47 | cbreak | there are 3D LCDs |
| 15:39.06 | cbreak | they use polarizers and line-interleaved encoding |
| 15:39.41 | theorbtwo | cbreak: They have a very narrow sweet spot if you want to use them for 3d, though. |
| 15:39.49 | cbreak | yeah, i know :/ |
| 15:40.20 | cbreak | used one for writing on my thesis |
| 15:40.37 | cbreak | the loss of resolution is a bit anoying |
| 15:40.41 | theorbtwo | I saw a little bit on top gear recently, showing off the screen in the middle of a lexus that shows a satnav to the driver and a dvd to the passenger at the same time. |
| 15:40.53 | nevcairiel | Hm, wikipedia says they usually use shutter glasses and require a 120hz refresh, so 60 for every eye |
| 15:41.15 | cbreak | theorbtwo: different tech |
| 15:41.22 | cbreak | the one I used had polarizing glasses |
| 15:41.30 | nevcairiel | philipps is supposedly developing 3d tech without the need for special glasses |
| 15:41.32 | theorbtwo | Oh! |
| 15:41.33 | cbreak | not those autostereoscopic thingies |
| 15:41.35 | cbreak | (they suck) |
| 15:42.11 | cbreak | theorbtwo: http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/product_read.asp?idx=219 I mean those |
| 15:42.59 | cbreak | I never used shutter glasses |
| 15:43.08 | cbreak | but I guess there's a sync problem |
| 15:44.15 | nevcairiel | hm apparently they just put a special lense on the screen that somehow manages to trick the eyes into receiving different images.. wonder how good that works o.o |
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| 15:44.39 | cbreak | that's the autostereoscopic tech I mentioned before :) |
| 15:44.41 | cbreak | it sucks |
| 15:44.52 | cbreak | at least it did 3 years ago |
| 15:45.09 | cbreak | it's a bit like those holograms on passports |
| 15:45.12 | cbreak | or credit cards |
| 15:45.17 | cbreak | or in cornflakes packages |
| 15:45.33 | nevcairiel | the news post was just from this month, and they talk about 3 years until its consumer ready, and there are enough movies out to warrant the tech |
| 15:45.34 | theorbtwo | It's hard to imagine how that sort of thing could possibly work in a relaxed popcorn-and-couch situation. |
| 15:46.08 | cbreak | the problem with the lense solution I saw was that when you moved the head just a bit |
| 15:46.13 | cbreak | it stopped working |
| 15:46.14 | Kraps | test |
| 15:46.27 | cbreak | Kraps: test 1/1: success. |
| 15:46.35 | nevcairiel | cbreak: so it only works for one person perfectly centered in front of the tv? :D |
| 15:47.08 | cbreak | well. I bet the technology will make progress |
| 15:47.09 | Kraps | k thnx cbreak |
| 15:47.19 | theorbtwo | You know those pictures in cornflake packages with the vertical lines that display different images when you rotate them, or move in front of them? |
| 15:47.24 | cbreak | the screen I saw was 15 inch diagonal |
| 15:47.24 | nevcairiel | personally the glasses don't annoy me much |
| 15:47.29 | cbreak | and had only two viewpoints |
| 15:47.35 | olafski | hey I've always wondered about addon packs.. do they include addon settings or something, to make them look like on the screenshot? what if you have a different resolution :< |
| 15:47.42 | theorbtwo | You know how if you hold them at just the right point, you can see both images at once? |
| 15:47.50 | nevcairiel | philips apparently build a 42" that works, or something |
| 15:48.04 | theorbtwo | You need to be in that just the right point, where one eye sees one thing, and the other eye sees the other thing. |
| 15:48.07 | cbreak | hates addon packs |
| 15:48.29 | nevcairiel | olafski: if you care, you can fix addon positions to be the same on any resolution |
| 15:48.32 | cbreak | I think the solutions with glasses are superior |
| 15:48.40 | cbreak | and will probably be supperior for some time |
| 15:48.41 | Lopeppeppy | I'm surprised people still use those. But then again, I do... only because I know how to update individual addons. |
| 15:48.48 | nevcairiel | we just need photons and force fields! |
| 15:49.10 | cbreak | photons? |
| 15:49.17 | cbreak | My LCD is a photon emitter |
| 15:49.23 | olafski | don't really need forcefields for 3d displays :) |
| 15:49.30 | zenzelezz | OMG UR MONITERS A PHOTON TORPEDOI |
| 15:49.35 | olafski | I think it was a star trek quote cbreak ;) |
| 15:49.49 | theorbtwo | cbreak: I quite agree that glasses are going to be where it's at. |
| 15:49.53 | olafski | VOY's doctor refers to himself as that quite often |
| 15:49.55 | nevcairiel | you know .. holograms .. just photons and force fields :P |
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| 15:49.58 | frontendloader | errors in coroutines don't produce normal script errors? |
| 15:50.34 | cbreak | do you use pcall? |
| 15:50.41 | cbreak | maybe it does it itself |
| 15:50.43 | frontendloader | nope |
| 15:50.50 | theorbtwo | I love how voy's doctor needs to go over to the computer and press buttons to adjust his forcefields... even though he is the computer. |
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| 15:51.41 | cbreak | frontendloader: "A coroutine can terminate its execution in two ways: normally, when its main function returns (explicitly or implicitly, after the last instruction); and abnormally, if there is an unprotected error. In the first case, coroutine.resume returns true, plus any values returned by the coroutine main function. In case of errors, coroutine.resume returns false plus an error message." |
| 15:51.41 | olafski | theorbtwo: :) |
| 15:51.44 | cbreak | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html |
| 15:51.45 | cbreak | 2.11 |
| 15:52.03 | cbreak | theorbtwo: that's called API |
| 15:52.12 | cbreak | maybe the IPC is very restrictive :) |
| 15:52.22 | theorbtwo | I wonder if the future is in better shutter glasses -- wireless, long-life batteries, low weight. |
| 15:52.29 | cbreak | (C calling convention was replaced by buttons I guess) |
| 15:52.45 | cbreak | Polarizing glasses > shutter glasses |
| 15:52.52 | nevcairiel | yeah polarized is better |
| 15:52.57 | nevcairiel | passive glasses, no sync issues |
| 15:53.06 | cbreak | there are also chroma filters |
| 15:53.07 | cbreak | like anaglyph |
| 15:53.22 | cbreak | I've also heard about a technology that uses extremely narrow band color filters |
| 15:53.27 | theorbtwo | cbreak: Wierd colors, though. |
| 15:53.30 | cbreak | that come closer to true color than standard anaglyph |
| 15:53.30 | nevcairiel | wont chroma filters always screw with the colors, even if its just minimally? |
| 15:53.38 | cbreak | yes, that's the problem nev |
| 15:53.42 | theorbtwo | That'd work, but you'd need specialized led chemistries. |
| 15:53.45 | cbreak | human eyes are very tolerant though |
| 15:53.51 | theorbtwo | Sounds very expensive. |
| 15:53.55 | zenzelezz | I found it interesting when I went to my optometrist last time. He used polarised glasses (I believe it was) to show me a picture, which showed that while both my eyes function, I lean so much on my left one that the part from the right eye didn't "show" |
| 15:54.13 | cbreak | http://the-color-black.net/blog/article/MayanAnaglyph if you care :) |
| 15:54.37 | cbreak | http://people.msoe.edu/~taylor/eisl/land.htm |
| 15:54.37 | theorbtwo | My girlfriend has very poor vision in one eye; she doesn't get anything out of 3d films & the like. |
| 15:55.07 | cbreak | Land did some quite interesting research |
| 15:55.15 | cbreak | on color perception |
| 15:58.25 | cbreak | spent a lot of time in Stereoscopic Vision class :) |
| 15:59.01 | zenzelezz | that sounds fun |
| 16:01.24 | cbreak | It was probably the most strange class of all CS classes of the department |
| 16:02.17 | theorbtwo | Almost sounds like it really belongs in the art department. |
| 16:02.36 | Grum | cbreak: lol that second link is awesome :) |
| 16:02.39 | cbreak | I went to a Polytech Uni, so no arts dep :) |
| 16:03.14 | Lopeppeppy | Some polys have arts departments, cbreak, science is no longer mutually exclusive with the arts |
| 16:04.05 | cbreak | the closest to arts you could get at ETH was Architecture :) |
| 16:04.27 | cbreak | StereoscopicVision class contained a lot of Biology, Vision Psycologica, film making and so on |
| 16:04.34 | cbreak | we watched lots of movies in class :) |
| 16:05.24 | cbreak | there was an other university right next door with all that humanitarian stuff :) |
| 16:05.50 | cbreak | I miss it :( |
| 16:07.18 | Lukian | hmm wowinterface was hacked |
| 16:07.53 | Cairenn | ? |
| 16:08.28 | Lukian | someone managed to get my email address which I only use on the wowinterface.com site |
| 16:08.40 | Lukian | and sent it a phishing email |
| 16:08.40 | Cairenn | how old is your account? |
| 16:08.50 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 16:08.53 | Lukian | dunno :> |
| 16:08.56 | frontendloader | hmf |
| 16:09.14 | Lukian | would you like a copy of the email? |
| 16:09.20 | Cairenn | what's your name on the site? |
| 16:09.22 | frontendloader | GetItemInfo("Elementium Bar") returns nothing even though I've seen one? |
| 16:09.25 | Lukian | should be Lukian |
| 16:09.48 | Cairenn | no match |
| 16:12.00 | mikma | cairenn: i bet he's trying to do something nasty, like, get some account to him when someone else already has it!!!11 |
| 16:12.06 | Cairenn | heh |
| 16:12.55 | Grum | so Lukian what email did you use? |
| 16:13.22 | Audible | he sold it |
| 16:13.30 | Audible | and regretted |
| 16:13.47 | mikma | aye |
| 16:13.49 | Lukian | Grum, ah all good... seems they (hackers) are still storing my email from the 2008 compromise |
| 16:14.22 | Grum | would have been more fun if you would have told us your email address :P |
| 16:19.15 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/23468/b8bd5610cc1f2cc236a248c100ec33df.jpg |
| 16:22.48 | Ackis | checks in using Foursquare! |
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| 16:26.32 | cog|away | not particularly amusing but particularly plausible: you might be a redneck if you're the final owner of every car you buy |
| 16:27.41 | cogwheel | i like the one i made up better though: if you think a racist is someone who watches NASCAR every Sunday, you might be a redneck |
| 16:27.48 | TC-Away | my fav is still "you might be a redneck if you go to family reunions to pick up women" |
| 16:38.43 | cogwheel | http://www.biochemweb.org/neutrophil.shtml OMNOMNOMNOM |
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| 16:57.37 | Dashkal | Bibi: Just saw your moderator recruitment post. Thank you. I lack the time to help myself but I still wanted to thank you for being proactive on cleaning up the junk people have been dumping in there. |
| 16:58.39 | cogwheel | so umm... anyone want to update CogsBar for 3.x? <.< |
| 16:59.02 | nevcairiel | You do it! |
| 16:59.28 | cogwheel | never bothered to do anything with the new secure handlers... |
| 16:59.39 | cogwheel | maybe once i get a copy of wowp2e ;) |
| 16:59.55 | nevcairiel | you'll laugh how easy it is now |
| 17:02.20 | cogwheel | CogsBar used the original state drivers that became deprecated in 2.1 or 2.2. They actually made it pretty straightforward to accomplish what I wanted. The parameters to the bar creation command corresponded directly to the names of the state drivers involved |
| 17:02.23 | nevcairiel | I've always wanted to extend bartender to allow about the same flexibility cogsbar gives you .. but time is short :( |
| 17:02.45 | Thunder_Child | MERGE! |
| 17:02.53 | cogwheel | now i'm guessing i'd have to reproduce all that functionality |
| 17:03.21 | nevcairiel | not really, no |
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| 17:04.31 | nevcairiel | I would've to look at cogsbar how you did what it does, but generally doing anything is pretty straight forward and easy |
| 17:05.36 | cogwheel | the other reason i want someone else to do it is i have absolutely no desire to support users |
| 17:05.42 | nevcairiel | who does |
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| 17:05.51 | durcyn | users suck |
| 17:05.59 | ZorbaBeta | fuck users |
| 17:06.08 | cogwheel | ZorbaBeta: depends on the user |
| 17:06.20 | nevcairiel | I code addons because i want them to be nice and perfect |
| 17:06.26 | Thunder_Child | all of us are users of something |
| 17:06.40 | nevcairiel | sometimes i read through feedback to get ideas for new features that i would like myself but never tought of |
| 17:06.50 | nevcairiel | but thats about all user interaction i do |
| 17:07.17 | cogwheel | i should just stealth update CogsBar - RIP and leave it as being abandoned :> |
| 17:08.50 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 17:11.07 | cogwheel | people should call "vanilla wow" "neopolitan wow" instead to account for the explosion-at-a-paint-factory gear |
| 17:11.59 | ZorbaBeta | BC was worse in that regard |
| 17:13.42 | Dashkal | BC is what happens when you put technicolor under too much pressure and stand next to it |
| 17:15.08 | jnwhiteh | dances around the room |
| 17:15.10 | jnwhiteh | this build is so fast! |
| 17:15.29 | nevcairiel | build of what? |
| 17:15.38 | jnwhiteh | AOSP 2.1 for HTC Hero |
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| 17:16.14 | nevcairiel | I'm still waiting for motorola to finally push 2.0.1 out <.< |
| 17:16.41 | jnwhiteh | that sucks |
| 17:18.47 | jnwhiteh | 2.1 is so nice for us |
| 17:18.49 | jnwhiteh | since we were on 1.5 |
| 17:18.55 | jnwhiteh | and 2.0 source was fucked in the aosp repo =( |
| 17:18.58 | jnwhiteh | 2.1 actually works :P |
| 17:19.05 | jnwhiteh | just need work on the nexus launcher =) |
| 17:19.05 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:21.14 | zenzelezz | AOSP? |
| 17:21.33 | nevcairiel | Android Open Source Project |
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| 17:22.55 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: do you know anyone running AOSP on the droid/milestone? |
| 17:23.01 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 17:25.26 | nevcairiel | too bad :) |
| 17:27.11 | Yssaril | does AOSP differ from th release versions from google (that come on the phones)? |
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| 17:35.08 | nevcairiel | the versions shipped on the phones usually have some sort of branding by the company that produced the phone, some custom applications, or a custom UI like sense on the HTC phones |
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| 17:35.49 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. This sheeple just sent me her credit card info. *blink blink* |
| 17:36.07 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 17:36.07 | zenzelezz | new computer for peppy |
| 17:36.42 | Lopeppeppy | "The reservation confirmation I got has a bad link!" ... and she forwards it, and the cc info is not masked. I just... I die inside. |
| 17:37.06 | Lopeppeppy | Be happy that I am a force for Good, and not evil, all ye sheeple. Because on Wednesday that was not the case! |
| 17:37.37 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, hey, ate at my second-ever hibachi place last night. It was not as awesome as I remembered from Blizcon. |
| 17:40.51 | theorbtwo | Lopeppeppy: What'd you do Wednesday? |
| 17:42.04 | Lopeppeppy | I was homicidal. And rude to a lot of people. It felt good, even if I didn't kill anyone. |
| 17:42.30 | theorbtwo | Aha. |
| 17:42.36 | theorbtwo | Yeah, that can feel good. |
| 17:45.49 | Lopeppeppy | I also deleted many accounts. Account deletion is soooooo satisfying in a primal way. I can imagine I'm slaughtering dozens and dozens of people. |
| 17:46.49 | cogwheel | and i bet you didn't apologize for any inconvenience your murderous rampage may have caused ;) |
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| 17:46.58 | cogwheel | hi seerah |
| 17:47.05 | Seerah | hi cog |
| 17:47.25 | Lopeppeppy | oh hell no, cogwheel. :) If I deleted anyone accidentally, I'll just smile and say it was regular semester-break maintenance. |
| 17:48.04 | Dashkal | wtb photo of Lopeppeppy with a BOFH hat on. |
| 17:48.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I've read that series. I wish I had a toaster or microwave in here, but all I have is a space heater. |
| 17:50.03 | Dashkal | mmm, HTML5 video. Soon, my precious, soon I can banish flash. |
| 17:51.04 | nevcairiel | If you use chrome, that is. youtube uses h264 which isnt supported by firefox =( |
| 17:54.22 | Dashkal | yet |
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| 17:54.35 | Dashkal | Apparently google is working on that, or so I read. |
| 17:54.53 | nevcairiel | on what? firefox supporting it, or ogg videos for youtube? |
| 17:55.41 | nevcairiel | firefox isnt supporting h264 because the format requires a license in the US |
| 17:55.47 | Dashkal | firefox supporting it |
| 17:55.52 | Dashkal | It doesn't have to be core |
| 17:56.18 | Dashkal | I'd be content with a plugin is ubuntu universe if it means buggy flash on amd64 is gone |
| 17:56.27 | Dashkal | s/is/in |
| 17:56.45 | nevcairiel | I'm not sure that part is plugin-able |
| 17:57.02 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22748815875&postId=227467590983&sid=1#0 |
| 17:57.07 | Dashkal | Anything can be plugged in if you try hard enough. It's still software :P |
| 17:57.36 | theorbtwo | It's not just software, it's M&S sof... er, open source software. |
| 17:57.59 | theorbtwo | If they don't have a pluggable interface for codecs, somebody will probably fix that pretty soon. |
| 17:58.15 | Dashkal | That was more or less what I was getting at |
| 17:59.00 | nevcairiel | they still have to accept it |
| 17:59.38 | nevcairiel | plus i kinda doubt that google would be willing to pay the patent and license costs for the h264 codec for a plugin for firefox =P |
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| 18:00.10 | theorbtwo | There's no reason or requirement for them to. |
| 18:00.48 | nevcairiel | iirc, even chromium does not contain the h264 codec due to the licensing |
| 18:00.56 | nevcairiel | only the binary chrome builds |
| 18:01.09 | Dashkal | Meh, now I can't find my link where I read that (google helping) |
| 18:01.11 | theorbtwo | If the mozilla orginization makes it reasonably easy to make a h.264 codec in a plugin, somebody will, and lots of people will install it. |
| 18:02.06 | haste | nevcairiel: chromium links to ffmpeg |
| 18:05.46 | nevcairiel | i wonder how ffmpeg solved the licensing issue .. or if its just "illegal" to use it in the US :P |
| 18:05.56 | nevcairiel | see why software patents are so evil?! |
| 18:06.30 | Lopeppeppy | Pants are evil. *nod* |
| 18:06.46 | Dashkal | ok, nevermind my saying google is helping. I just found it... in a random comment |
| 18:11.26 | Lopeppeppy | Look Ackis, a nice big oven for dogs! http://gizmodo.com/5445373/doggie-anti+aging-oxygen-tank-for-the-completely-insane-only |
| 18:15.46 | Fisker | damn you Ackis |
| 18:15.49 | Fisker | it's a damn console port |
| 18:15.50 | Fisker | nooooooo |
| 18:15.56 | Kraps | i cant believe these tards on my thread |
| 18:18.07 | Lopeppeppy | Klingons on the starboard bow, scrape 'em off Jim. |
| 18:18.49 | cogwheel | Kraps: tards in a thread on general is a given, i thought? :P |
| 18:20.37 | Kraps | the absence of logic is minblowing |
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| 18:21.00 | Kraps | mindblowing* |
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| 18:39.24 | Thunder_Child | "We think crits need to be proportionately weaker in PvP than in PvP." *snicker* |
| 18:39.45 | Taroven | GG, Blizz. GG. |
| 18:40.43 | cbreak | unsatisfiable |
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| 18:42.51 | Taroven | Grr at metatable issues. |
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| 18:44.54 | kneeki | Anyone know how to return the player's expertise rating? I'm not finding any API calls for it |
| 18:45.11 | kneeki | ... |
| 18:45.13 | kneeki | crap |
| 18:45.25 | kneeki | Should have checked wowprogramming.com first, wikipedia is out of date still :( |
| 18:45.46 | Yssaril | kneeki: what do you mean still it always has been :P |
| 18:46.05 | kneeki | haha |
| 18:46.19 | Taroven | kneeki: Try GetCombatRating() yet? |
| 18:46.27 | kneeki | GetExpertise() |
| 18:46.29 | kneeki | -_- |
| 18:46.34 | Taroven | XD |
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| 19:11.41 | Audible | i know its hacking per say, but did anyone try to give lua more functionality as in OS and SQL ? |
| 19:13.03 | nevcairiel | Lua in general? sure, there are many modules for that stuff. In WoW? Don't even think about it |
| 19:13.26 | Audible | well, this is a wow channel, thats why i asked |
| 19:13.35 | Audible | in lua, yeah, i use lua modules all the time :) |
| 19:13.54 | Audible | just curious |
| 19:14.20 | cogwheel | it's not just hacking "per se," it's hacking flat out... There's no way to add that functionality into WoW's lua without hacking the binary or doing other supreme trickery |
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| 19:16.00 | Audible | of course, i was just trying to step carefully |
| 19:16.39 | cogwheel | of course, if you're going to go to those kinds of lengths, you might as well bypass the lua system altogether :) |
| 19:17.05 | Audible | i've been down that road ;) |
| 19:19.07 | Audible | but i was just curious |
| 19:19.18 | Audible | there are alot of db's out there |
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| 19:31.00 | Lopeppeppy | ponders the absence of Lunessa. Fun must wait. |
| 19:35.10 | cogwheel | unky no worky today |
| 19:35.11 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: he says "I'm at home, and don't have a client on this machine" |
| 19:39.22 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I figured he'd be at home today. I just miss him sometimes! |
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| 19:41.05 | cogwheel | we misses ya in game too! *hopes for successful surgery* |
| 19:41.20 | Seerah | *nod* *nod* *nod* |
| 19:42.20 | alestane | Surgery what? |
| 19:42.22 | Lopeppeppy | If it goes right, I can be playing again in March, recovery isn't supposed to be all that difficult. And Rosie will be a real cat before my surgery, so all the ladies in the house will be doing well. |
| 19:42.40 | Lopeppeppy | alestane dear, hand surgery, you know about that. I promise you do. |
| 19:42.50 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: Lunessa sends huggles |
| 19:42.52 | alestane | Oh, your surgery. |
| 19:43.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, Johnny 5 is alive! |
| 19:43.13 | Lopeppeppy | Er, Lunessa I mean. |
| 19:43.16 | Lopeppeppy | <.< |
| 19:43.20 | alestane | Sorry, first thing I saw was cogwheel, didn't know who he was addressing. |
| 19:44.15 | cogwheel | we misses you too, btw |
| 19:44.28 | Seerah | yeppers! |
| 19:44.35 | Seerah | people need to play more. I got to 80! |
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| 19:44.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, Seerah! |
| 19:45.00 | alestane | Right now I have about 10 minutes a day to play WoW, I'm afraid. But if I don't have three courses next quarter I should be around more. |
| 19:46.15 | Ackis | nerds! |
| 19:46.43 | Dashkal | Ackis: a -> b? |
| 19:46.52 | Ackis | :P |
| 19:47.05 | Lopeppeppy | Three courses pays the bills, even if it doesn't play the pixels. |
| 19:47.34 | Dashkal | Actually, I've been giving serious thought into how feesable it would be to write lua in a functional manner rather than an OOP/Imperative style |
| 19:48.49 | amro | it's not so bad at FP, especially with tail call optimization |
| 19:49.15 | alestane | Pretty feasible, the creators cite the three main influences as Modula, SmallTalk and Scheme. |
| 19:49.41 | Dashkal | It's something to think about next time I write something. My code in all languages has been much less error prone since learning haskell. |
| 19:49.58 | Dashkal | Amazing how many bugs can be avoided when side effects are all kept in one place. |
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| 19:54.07 | alestane | Aww, poor Hanners: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1585 |
| 19:54.29 | Dashkal | <3 Hanners |
| 19:54.37 | Dashkal | I loved Dora's expression |
| 19:55.11 | Lopeppeppy | That's pretty much Rosie's permanent expression right now. She's not adapting well to being a normal cat. |
| 19:55.25 | nevcairiel | you really need to follow the full comic for the full humor in it .. its not something you can really link out of context :d |
| 19:55.53 | Lopeppeppy | Kitty looked like the robot looked when *they* met. |
| 19:55.56 | Dashkal | Yeah, you really have to know hanners |
| 19:55.56 | alestane | The "Who are you and do I need to run away now?" expression? |
| 19:56.14 | Dashkal | And of course, pintsize-kitty set the stage for today's |
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| 20:03.29 | alestane | Hanners seems like an excellent example of the Munroe Equation. |
| 20:03.42 | alestane | (http://www.ubersoft.net/comic/hd/2007/03/xkcd-desk) |
| 20:04.34 | alestane | I also like her shirt. |
| 20:04.43 | Ackis | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1245200/Foam-party-Brussels-covered-foam-firefighters-protest.html lol |
| 20:09.37 | durcyn | Munroe has his own issues |
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| 20:15.46 | NeoTron | so in STO, you can randomly board fights during combat or just specific missions that call for it? also can you actually get on to the bridge of your ship somehow/ |
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| 20:17.22 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron: no, you just send over s shuttle craft to deal dmg |
| 20:17.56 | Thunder_Child | and i think it is any time in combat as long as your ship is able. |
| 20:18.02 | NeoTron | so it's sort of an indirect damage mechanism, not actually you boarding over and going into third person |
| 20:18.12 | Thunder_Child | correct |
| 20:20.31 | NeoTron | what about the bridge? I keep reading references to it but can't find any key binding or whatever to get there |
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| 20:21.22 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron: when in space on the minimap there is a down arrow, the command is there but greyed out for me atm |
| 20:22.03 | NeoTron | ah |
| 20:22.19 | NeoTron | I'll see if I can find it tonight |
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| 20:23.20 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron: nvm, it works, i just tried it during a mission |
| 20:23.45 | NeoTron | I assume it'smostly "rp" type reasons and not actually useful for anything? |
| 20:26.16 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron: yup |
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| 20:26.46 | Thunder_Child | awesome, you can 'beam up to the ship' when you are on the bridge |
| 20:28.10 | NeoTron | heh |
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| 20:52.45 | cogwheel | OHAI |
| 20:53.04 | Lopeppeppy | BRAAAAAAAAIIIIiiiiiiiiins. |
| 20:53.09 | Lopeppeppy | *nom nom nom* |
| 20:53.12 | cogwheel | SNOWMANS!!! |
| 20:54.17 | Lopeppeppy | you do not has snow. |
| 20:54.19 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have much either. |
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| 20:55.59 | cogwheel | Lopeppeppy: right now it's in between "shave you unsanitary monkey" and "i wonder if it's intentional..." |
| 20:56.15 | Lopeppeppy | Shave, icky! |
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| 21:04.02 | zenzelezz | shaving can make things icky too |
| 21:04.07 | zenzelezz | depends where and how often |
| 21:05.14 | Fisker | damn you bioware |
| 21:05.17 | Fisker | DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL |
| 21:05.27 | durcyn | no, fisker, i damn you. |
| 21:05.29 | Fisker | i forgot my raid because of mass effect 2 :( |
| 21:06.08 | durcyn | you pirated it early? fucking thief. |
| 21:06.12 | Fisker | nahuh |
| 21:06.24 | Fisker | what proof do you offer to support your claim? |
| 21:06.39 | durcyn | street date's next week |
| 21:06.44 | durcyn | and you claim to be playing it now |
| 21:06.47 | durcyn | i rest my case? |
| 21:06.55 | zenzelezz | he never said he was playing it |
| 21:07.01 | Fisker | oh durcyn |
| 21:07.04 | durcyn | it was implied! |
| 21:07.06 | Fisker | how does games get pirated then? |
| 21:07.15 | zenzelezz | he was probably just fapping over screenshots |
| 21:07.19 | Fisker | Because if street date's next week, and noone can get it before that date |
| 21:07.24 | Fisker | how come piracy is an issue? |
| 21:07.27 | durcyn | i did see a torrent already though |
| 21:07.48 | durcyn | what are you talking about, fisker, street dates get broken all the time |
| 21:07.49 | Fisker | You think pirates just make up data and randomly it seems to fit whatever they are "pirating"? |
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| 21:07.54 | Fisker | indeed durcyn |
| 21:07.55 | durcyn | you, though, i assume you pirated it |
| 21:08.00 | durcyn | because you're fisker |
| 21:08.13 | Fisker | that assumption is invalid |
| 21:08.19 | durcyn | all fiskers are dishonest |
| 21:08.22 | Fisker | (and god damn right) |
| 21:08.28 | Lopeppeppy | all fiskers are crispy in milk |
| 21:08.54 | durcyn | vindication. |
| 21:09.05 | Fisker | it annoys me how they've not fixed the console ui yet |
| 21:09.28 | Fisker | some options can be scrolled through with a keyboard, but only interacted with using a mouse, and vice versa |
| 21:09.31 | Fisker | pisses me off |
| 21:09.31 | KarlKFI | http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/ |
| 21:10.07 | Fisker | besides it's not piracy it's pre-preload! |
| 21:10.12 | Fisker | (...and play) |
| 21:10.44 | Thunder_Child | lol, i did random name and god Eileet |
| 21:10.54 | Thunder_Child | got* |
| 21:10.59 | Shirik | nevcairiel! I gots a point! |
| 21:13.41 | smcn | rankwatch is so fun. rankwatch to tank: all of your abilities are less than max rank. tank to me: that mod is annoying. me to every mob in the instance: steal aggro |
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| 21:15.13 | nevcairiel | Shirik: what? |
| 21:15.26 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Synthetic_Ice |
| 21:15.32 | Shirik | oh it's been deleted too late :( |
| 21:15.47 | Shirik | But it was awesome. It was a wikipedia article that said "this should not be deleted" |
| 21:16.19 | Ackis | wikipedia admin people scare me :( |
| 21:16.41 | Shirik | nevcairiel was complaining yesterday about how people just mark pages for deletion for points |
| 21:17.06 | Ackis | http://www.dccomics.com/dcunlimited/wow/?dcd=13908 heh |
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| 21:29.23 | ZorbaBeta | the whole idea of "points" on wikipedia just sounds dubious to me |
| 21:29.32 | ZorbaBeta | if there's one thing humans just instinctively do, it's try to game the system |
| 21:29.45 | Ackis | gives ZorbaBeta 1 point for that comment. |
| 21:29.46 | durcyn | reputation economies can work if done correctly |
| 21:29.49 | ZorbaBeta | smcn, rankwatch is seriously one of the most entertaing mods I've ever used |
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| 21:29.58 | Lopeppeppy | ttfn, everypeople. |
| 21:30.02 | durcyn | did you ever read Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom, Zorba? |
| 21:30.11 | ZorbaBeta | 60% of people thank me, 30% of people ignore me, 10% of people get insanely angry and ragequit. it's amazing. |
| 21:30.21 | ZorbaBeta | durcyn, no, though it sounds familiar |
| 21:30.34 | durcyn | it's worth a once-over |
| 21:30.35 | smcn | i haven't gotten any thanks yet |
| 21:30.55 | ZorbaBeta | I have surprisingly often, though I'm using it while leveling - if you're using it at level cap it may be different |
| 21:31.16 | ZorbaBeta | I had one great instance where it triggered on everyone besides me and the healer |
| 21:31.39 | ZorbaBeta | very last boss, someone dies right before the boss goes down. <Healer> Yes! I got through the instance without having any wrong-rank spells! |
| 21:31.49 | ZorbaBeta | turned out he was using the wrong rank of Revive. :D |
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| 21:32.20 | Shirik | ZorbaBeta: There are no points.... |
| 21:32.36 | Shirik | nevcairiel was talking about a fictitious system |
| 21:32.46 | Shirik | well, not necessarily "Fictitious" more like.... |
| 21:32.49 | Shirik | I don't know the right word |
| 21:32.58 | KarlKFI | imaginary? |
| 21:33.03 | ZorbaBeta | ah okay, I thought there were from what was being mentioned |
| 21:33.08 | ZorbaBeta | it would be a really bad idea if there was :D |
| 21:33.18 | Shirik | well not really "imaginary" because it's arguable these points really do exist |
| 21:33.21 | Shirik | but they aren't tangible |
| 21:33.45 | nevcairiel | afaik, they rank you based on your activity, and if its high enough, they might ask you to become a moderator |
| 21:33.50 | Shirik | there is no points "system" but people will trust in you if you do more edits, etc. |
| 21:34.08 | Shirik | Oh you don't have to be asked (though you could be), but you won't be approved if you don't have sufficient activity |
| 21:34.58 | NeoTron | smcn: I had a guy (ret pally) complain about that in a normal gundrak run (I was 78)... |
| 21:35.04 | nevcairiel | I should really watch the talk, but its like a tripple-size talk |
| 21:35.07 | durcyn | points is just one word for it, would you be reacting the same way if they called it, for example, Karma? |
| 21:35.26 | NeoTron | I said "you could just fix it" and he asked "how?" and I said "put the right rank ont he toolbar" |
| 21:35.47 | NeoTron | to which he answers that it already should be.. then after a few seconds he rebuffs BoW with the correct rank and goes "well that sucks" |
| 21:35.52 | ZorbaBeta | I think it's hilarious when people say "turn that off, it's annoying" |
| 21:35.58 | ZorbaBeta | like, yeah, I'm annoyed by it too |
| 21:36.00 | ZorbaBeta | why don't you fix it |
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| 21:36.14 | nevcairiel | and its not finished downloading, bah! :) |
| 21:36.21 | NeoTron | I changed it to /party |
| 21:36.39 | NeoTron | but it seems most of the time it affects healers (it triggers for me sometimes) and tanks |
| 21:36.46 | NeoTron | it's rare to see it for dps like that |
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| 21:41.04 | Zasurus | Hum try that again... got DC from IRC |
| 21:41.05 | Zasurus | Hi, Is there a way to embed a lua into another file?For example I have a load of debugging/messaging code I put in all myaddons and every time I make changes to it I need to go though all myaddon's updating it. I thought it would be better if I could just includethe relevent file in each addon then just copy the updated file into thedirectory over the top of the old one. :-) |
| 21:41.42 | nevcairiel | You can load multiple files in the .toc |
| 21:42.19 | cogwheel | Zasurus: make it a separate addon |
| 21:42.21 | KarlKFI | or make an embedded lib |
| 21:42.28 | cogwheel | or that |
| 21:42.41 | KarlKFI | or use one of the existing ones |
| 21:42.42 | cogwheel | but if it's just for debugging, a separate addon might be simpler for packaging |
| 21:42.45 | Zasurus | OK so if I took the code out and into a seperate file I loaded earlyer int he TOC it would work |
| 21:42.55 | cogwheel | make your addons optionally depend on it |
| 21:43.10 | cogwheel | so when it's there, they'll use it, and when it's not they won't |
| 21:43.24 | Zasurus | I did think of a library or seperate addon but it seemed a big change to the code to get it to work |
| 21:43.50 | cogwheel | well i assume it would be a lot less of a change than having to manually change all your addons each time ;) |
| 21:45.27 | Zasurus | It keeps debug logs in the users lua file so would need to work out which addon was calling the function. Barr.. Think I will try the seperate lua file first and if that doesn't work THEN go with the whole new addon/lib. Thanks |
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| 21:49.18 | Antiarc | Hey kids, it's time for another episode of "Spot the clicker!" |
| 21:49.25 | Antiarc | "Is there a macro I can hit to turn my toon 180 degrees right away? Flipping my camera around and pressing scroll wheel takes too long in certain circumstances, such as when fighting Eadric the Pure as a caster. Thanks in advance." |
| 22:06.50 | smcn | that's weird, because i would say you mean keyboard turner but it sounds like he's using the mouse to move the camera. personally i'm always holding down RMB by habit |
| 22:07.00 | smcn | maybe he doesn't know you can do that? |
| 22:07.25 | Thunder_Child | i am Le Sad, it's raining and the sun is out but i get no rainbow :( |
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| 22:12.10 | augustl | you can haxx name plates with addons, right? Would be wild if you could add your current threat % on nameplates. |
| 22:13.29 | Thunder_Child | it exists iirc |
| 22:14.36 | Thunder_Child | though i thought the default nameplates did that |
| 22:14.48 | Hjalte | augustl: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15610-TidyPlatesBeta5.9.html |
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| 22:15.18 | Fisker | damn you to hell Ackis |
| 22:15.20 | seriallos | tidy plates: threat plates changes the size of nameplates based on threat |
| 22:15.25 | Hjalte | There are also a module for the tidyplates 5.8, but it doesn't show it as accurately as this beta version. |
| 22:20.41 | Ackis | Fisker: sup dawg? |
| 22:24.34 | Fisker | i was like 1 hour into a mission |
| 22:24.41 | Fisker | and then i was like "better use some medi-gel" |
| 22:24.55 | Fisker | then Mass Effect 2 was like "Mass Effect 2 has unexpectedly closed down" |
| 22:25.04 | Fisker | then i was like "damn you to hell Ackis" |
| 22:25.17 | Ackis | you're playing ME2? you pirate |
| 22:25.47 | Fisker | why do people keep saying i pirate stuff? |
| 22:27.12 | mikma | wife bought the sims3 expansion, downloaded some items from internet and now the game wont start at all. go go gadget reinstall |
| 22:29.47 | Nechckn | Fisker Because the screen cap software we use to host FiskerIsAPirate.Net shows you downloading and cracking things, perhaps? |
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| 22:30.08 | ttafrcn | Your machine has been infected by the recent spam attacks - visit http://www2.freenode.pl/ for a quick and easy solution! |
| 22:30.30 | Nechckn | Oh.. nice... durrr... |
| 22:30.50 | Nechckn | Quick, let's all click those totally legitimate links! |
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| 22:30.56 | mfzdvwroov | Your machine has been infected by the recent spam attacks - visit http://www2.freenode.pl/ for a quick and easy solution! |
| 22:30.57 | mfzdvwroov | Your machine has been infected by the recent spam attacks - visit http://www2.freenode.pl/ for a quick and easy solution! |
| 22:30.57 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+bb %*!*@adsl-75-50-52-5.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net %*!n=quyp@*] by Shiibot |
| 22:30.57 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 22:30.57 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 8245 minutes |
| 22:31.08 | Nechckn | claps for Shiibot |
| 22:31.15 | Dolby | yay Shiibot ! |
| 22:31.17 | mikma | [freenode] -tomaw- [Global Notice] Hi all. It seems we're again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you're experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://blog.freenode.net/?p=386. Thanks! |
| 22:32.25 | Ackis | does shiibot still ban you for saying the same 3 things in a row? try it Fisker? |
| 22:33.48 | Thunder_Child | though the first spammer got through scot free |
| 22:33.51 | Fisker | lol |
| 22:33.59 | Fisker | there is now 300⬠of Railworks DLC on Steam |
| 22:34.51 | Nechckn | First one only posted twice, maybe, Thunder_Child |
| 22:35.45 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn: thats my point |
| 22:36.42 | Nechckn | that's a bit of a low threshold, though Heck, I'd be banned most of the time. |
| 22:36.53 | Nechckn | (Which may or may not be a good thing) =) |
| 22:36.59 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn: for saying the exact same line twice? |
| 22:37.48 | Nechckn | yeah, I hit the up arrow / enter when moving the kybd occassionally |
| 22:38.43 | Dewin | I remember... I think it was Shiibot that *almost* banned me when I had this window focused as I was cleaning my keyboard and accidentally sent a couple lines of absolute gibberish. |
| 22:39.23 | Shirik | it's a lot more leinent than people think |
| 22:39.25 | nevcairiel | how do you know it almost banned you? |
| 22:39.29 | nevcairiel | i mean, it doesnt warn you |
| 22:39.30 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 22:39.32 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 22:39.34 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 22:39.36 | Fisker | Shirik  |
| 22:39.38 | Shirik | ... |
| 22:39.39 | Fisker | hello |
| 22:39.40 | Fisker | :3 |
| 22:39.45 | nevcairiel | sadly, it ignores short lines |
| 22:39.48 | Dewin | nev: I think Shirik looked and told me how close I was after I mentioned it. |
| 22:40.09 | Dewin | It might have been another bot on another channel though |
| 22:40.38 | Dewin | Shiibot is more lenient on established regulars, yes? |
| 22:40.51 | nevcairiel | i dont think it has such a rule |
| 22:40.56 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: warnings dont really work when the spam requires a short duration between posts |
| 22:41.07 | Thunder_Child | also, there is no other bot in this channel that can do that |
| 22:41.11 | nevcairiel | I didnt want to imply it should warn you |
| 22:41.14 | Thunder_Child | with the exception of Shirik |
| 22:41.16 | Dewin | see "on another channel" |
| 22:41.35 | Dewin | was pretty sure it was here though. |
| 22:42.39 | Thunder_Child | hmm..i dunno if Shirik did put in relaxed rules for \wowuidev though |
| 22:42.45 | Shirik | no |
| 22:42.52 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 22:42.57 | Shirik | but it does try to learn who is contributing without problems |
| 22:43.27 | Dewin | I can easily see an unsuspecting antispambot thinking a line or two of lua code constitutes as the start of crapflooding. |
| 22:43.56 | Shirik | The rules are more complex than you guys make them out to be :P |
| 22:44.01 | Shirik | Hell, Cide wrote a rule I don't even understand |
| 22:44.17 | Nechckn | That's not really all too surprising, though. |
| 22:44.33 | Nechckn | ./MadCackle |
| 22:44.34 | Dolby | I like the bacon rule |
| 22:44.57 | Ackis | mmmm bacon |
| 22:45.00 | Thunder_Child | you let Cide touch Shiibot? fail |
| 22:45.03 | Ackis | ~Dolby++ |
| 22:45.07 | Cide- | of course he did |
| 22:45.12 | Cide- | he lets me touch all of his parts |
| 22:45.19 | Dolby | ! |
| 22:45.22 | Dewin | (Granted, if it's more than a line or two, it is crapflooding...) |
| 22:45.26 | Dewin | oops |
| 22:45.29 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: it was a catholic priest/altar server relationship |
| 22:45.39 | Cide- | Shirik, which rule is that? |
| 22:45.47 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: makes sense |
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| 22:47.37 | Shirik | Cide-: Actually I guess I don't have it anymore, I can't find it :( |
| 22:49.12 | Nechckn | It is so complex, it has hidden itself on your machine... RUN! |
| 22:49.38 | Thunder_Child | s/RUN/Sell to DARPA and make loads of money/ |
| 22:50.49 | Zasurus | Hi again. :-) |
| 22:51.36 | Zasurus | Is there a way for a library to create and store variables in the "SavedVariablesPerCharacter" without changing the main addon's toc file? |
| 22:53.01 | *** join/#wowuidev shifuimam (n=shifuima@polatrite.com) |
| 22:53.11 | shifuimam | are any of you guys particularly well versed in the MySQL database structure for WoW? |
| 22:53.29 | Cairenn | errr, why? |
| 22:53.42 | shifuimam | well, for one of the open source servers, that is |
| 22:53.44 | zenzelezz | MySQL for WoW? o_O |
| 22:53.54 | zenzelezz | one does not talk about private servers in here |
| 22:53.54 | shifuimam | sorry; i misspoke |
| 22:53.57 | shifuimam | i see |
| 22:53.58 | Cairenn | open source servers? ie private servers? |
| 22:53.58 | shifuimam | ok |
| 22:54.24 | Cairenn | what zenzelezz said :) |
| 22:54.30 | shifuimam | yeah yeah |
| 22:55.05 | Zasurus | I guess thats a no? :-( |
| 22:55.14 | Nechckn | Zasurus quite sure, no. |
| 22:55.26 | Zasurus | OK thanks :-) |
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| 22:56.00 | Zasurus | Will have to make it a seperate addon :-) |
| 22:56.02 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 22:56.09 | Cide- | Shirik, weak! |
| 22:56.11 | Nechckn | righto, Zasurus |
| 22:56.14 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:56.20 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:56.40 | nicoli_s | i have just hit the amazingly high level of 17 booya! |
| 22:56.45 | Shirik | OMG GRATZ |
| 22:56.47 | Zasurus | lol |
| 22:57.04 | Dewin | I have a priest at that level. |
| 22:57.22 | Zasurus | Keep pushing... get a mount in 3 more levels! ;-) |
| 22:57.23 | Dewin | But I figure you'r a) Not on Earthen Ring, or b) on Earthen Ring, but horde. |
| 22:58.14 | Thunder_Child | C) not someone i want to play with |
| 22:58.38 | nicoli_s | im only playing since everyone in the office is and im super bored |
| 22:59.08 | Thunder_Child | i was going to say d) a programer. but then i figured it would be redundant with c |
| 23:00.09 | nicoli_s | im not just a programmer, im a reverse engineer! |
| 23:00.39 | Zasurus | Hummm... I wish I could get away with WoW at the office... I use to at my old job but then it went bust... I just asummed it wasn't related! ;-) |
| 23:00.53 | nicoli_s | well we are doing wow addon testing/team building |
| 23:00.58 | nicoli_s | curse ftw |
| 23:02.27 | smcn | ZorbaBeta: for even more rankwatch-hating idiot fun, have you checked out the comments on the curse page? |
| 23:02.47 | smcn | my personal favorite: "Dude it is rather simple, Do you pay for my WoW account??? NO then I will use whatever spell I want, when I want to, for whatever reason I want to. thats what makes this a GAME" |
| 23:03.07 | Fisker | hey nicoli_s |
| 23:03.33 | nicoli_s | heya fisker, how goes it? |
| 23:03.50 | ZorbaBeta | smcn, I love the "this is a GAME and so we can play how we WANT and i want to SUCK" argument |
| 23:03.57 | smcn | yeah |
| 23:04.35 | Dewin | ZorbaBeta: I've seen the perfect counter to that argument |
| 23:06.19 | Dewin | "You may pay $14.95 a month to play however you want, but we pay $59.80 a month and think you suck." |
| 23:06.21 | Dewin | Or something like that |
| 23:06.27 | ZorbaTHut | haha, nice |
| 23:18.19 | Fisker | slaps ZorbaTHut around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:18.52 | ZorbaTHut | make the next one be tuna |
| 23:18.53 | ZorbaTHut | or salmon |
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| 23:45.19 | Shirik | ROFL, the attack is still going on on freenode, but they've changed the message |
| 23:45.20 | Shirik | now it says |
| 23:45.24 | Shirik | "Hi all. It seems we\'re again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you\'re experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at ..." |
| 23:45.37 | Shirik | very amusing the self-reference |
| 23:47.01 | zenzelezz | self-reference? |
| 23:47.50 | Shirik | The fact that they're saying "don't click the links in the spam" in the spam |
| 23:48.20 | zenzelezz | network messages aren't spam |
| 23:48.26 | Shirik | that's not a network message |
| 23:48.28 | Shirik | that's the new spam messages |
| 23:48.57 | Shirik | it was based off a network message, yes |
| 23:48.58 | zenzelezz | oh, I thought you were talking about tomaw's message from a short while ago |
| 23:49.01 | Shirik | nah |
| 23:54.54 | NeoTron | Fisker: so you say you're playing ME2 - did you play ME? |
| 23:58.32 | Fisker | of course |
| 23:58.54 | NeoTron | so did you "continue" a ME game? |
| 23:59.00 | NeoTron | I'm just mainly curious what, exactly, that does |
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| 23:59.27 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 23:59.35 | NeoTron | like does it lock you into the same profession, do you get any "unlocked" benefits etc |
