| 00:00.07 | Shirik | herein lies UML's deadly flaw: 90% of the world knows UML for its class diagrams, perhaps one of its least useful capabilities |
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| 00:00.11 | Dagmar | Just you wait for perl6. |
| 00:00.17 | Dagmar | It'll execute C++ source |
| 00:00.31 | Shirik | perl6 == draw a picture of the UI in ASCII art and it will run |
| 00:00.41 | cbreak | perl accepts /dev/random as source :/ |
| 00:00.47 | Shirik | +-------------------------+ |
| 00:00.55 | Shirik | | > _ + |
| 00:01.01 | Shirik | looks like perl code to me |
| 00:01.10 | Shirik | it's got enough symbols |
| 00:01.11 | wereHamster | more like brainf**k |
| 00:02.04 | Shirik | honestly, perl scares me |
| 00:02.07 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, killing people. |
| 00:02.18 | Dagmar | Looks more like python to me. No one's tried to write any inline doucmentation |
| 00:02.19 | Shirik | it should not be a software development language. It should be a text manipulator |
| 00:02.46 | cbreak | did you watch the 26C3 quiz? |
| 00:02.53 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 00:02.57 | Shirik | warmer today? |
| 00:02.57 | cbreak | there was a perl section in the hacker jeopardy. |
| 00:03.19 | Lopeppeppy | Not much warmer. But I did just put together my Gazelle all by myself, and it works! |
| 00:03.32 | Lopeppeppy | ... I have no idea where to store it in this dinky damn apartment. But that's not a today problem. |
| 00:03.39 | cbreak | all answers were like: $$, $^, $~, $/, ... |
| 00:03.39 | Shirik | yay :) |
| 00:03.39 | alestane | "Gazelle"? |
| 00:03.41 | cogwheel | ah, Perl... http://www.ozonehouse.com/mark/periodic/ |
| 00:04.01 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm wondering about that too. Usually you just put them in a pen. |
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| 00:04.22 | Shirik | here we go kd3 |
| 00:04.29 | Lopeppeppy | gazelle, walky exercise equipments. |
| 00:04.30 | Shirik | The F-16 MMC (Modular Mission Computer) |
| 00:04.35 | Shirik | guess what language it's written in? |
| 00:04.49 | kd3 | hopefully something sane like assembly? |
| 00:05.03 | Shirik | Executable UML (xUML), an OMG-specified UML profile |
| 00:05.06 | cbreak | that makes me want to never look at it again cogwheel. |
| 00:05.35 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: You get extra fitness out of toting it back and forth from the car |
| 00:05.35 | Shirik | this class is one of the most fun I've ever taken :) |
| 00:05.56 | Lopeppeppy | Dagmar, you're nuts, I live on the second floor. |
| 00:06.04 | Dagmar | "chair lifts" |
| 00:06.10 | Lopeppeppy | I'm much more likely to move the coats off the over-door rack and hang it off that. |
| 00:06.14 | wereHamster | Shirik: what is the class about? |
| 00:06.24 | Shirik | automated code generation |
| 00:06.28 | WobWork | Shirik: and OMG-specified? =) |
| 00:06.45 | Shirik | ~wiki Object Management Group |
| 00:06.51 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/344557019/ |
| 00:06.54 | Dagmar | You need a place like mine. It's built on a slope. All the convenience of a ground-floor entry, with all the "you're not busting in my window" of a third-floor apartment |
| 00:06.56 | Shirik | .... |
| 00:06.58 | Shirik | thank you purl |
| 00:07.06 | WobWork | Shirik: you need to backronym it into a ZOMG |
| 00:07.27 | Shirik | "Object Management Group (OMG) is a consortium, originally aimed at setting standards for distributed object-oriented systems, and is now focused on modeling (programs, systems and business processes) and model-based standards." |
| 00:07.38 | Dagmar | That all the metadata came along with that one is somewhat ironic, donchathink? |
| 00:07.41 | Shirik | they're the creators of UML |
| 00:07.56 | kd3 | oh geez at the perl periodic table |
| 00:07.58 | kd3 | that's just nuts |
| 00:08.59 | Shirik | perl periodic table = win |
| 00:09.36 | Shirik | it's surprisingly periodic, unlike most stupid parodies that just shove stuff in blocks |
| 00:09.41 | Shirik | that's the win part |
| 00:10.09 | Dagmar | yep |
| 00:10.20 | Adys | SHIRIK |
| 00:10.20 | Adys | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/01/love-for-luajit.html |
| 00:10.24 | Adys | I told you google is awesome |
| 00:10.28 | theorb | Unlike the real periodic table, there's no reason to memorize the whole things; the names make sense from the rules. |
| 00:11.44 | Shirik | omg |
| 00:11.49 | Shirik | finally I can get that shit don |
| 00:11.53 | Shirik | because of YOUR COMPUTER ADYS |
| 00:11.54 | alestane | I hadn't realized that was so thoroughly Mike's baby. |
| 00:11.55 | Adys | No |
| 00:11.58 | Adys | because of GOOGLE |
| 00:12.06 | Shirik | IT WAS WORKING IF YOUR COMPUTER DIDN'T EXIST |
| 00:12.20 | Adys | MY COMPUTER CAN TAKE OUT YOUR COMPUTER IN A FIGHT |
| 00:12.25 | Shirik | NEGATIVE |
| 00:12.41 | Lopeppeppy | Do I love you guys? |
| 00:12.44 | Lopeppeppy | Do you love me? |
| 00:12.45 | Adys | you think? |
| 00:12.48 | kd3 | I uh |
| 00:12.51 | Shirik | lurves Lopeppeppy |
| 00:12.54 | Adys | SHIRIK |
| 00:12.55 | Adys | http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=my+computer&word2=your+computer |
| 00:12.55 | Lopeppeppy | Stop hollering before I come and murder ya's. |
| 00:13.00 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 00:13.07 | Adys | I don't love you Peppy |
| 00:13.10 | kd3 | can we get a live feed of the murderizing? |
| 00:13.14 | Adys | I just.. don't hate you that much |
| 00:13.15 | Shirik | oh look |
| 00:13.16 | Shirik | my computer won |
| 00:13.19 | Shirik | you lose Adys |
| 00:13.24 | Adys | YES IT DID, MY COMPUTER WINS |
| 00:13.40 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, how cute Adys. |
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| 00:13.49 | Adys | http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=adys'+computer&word2=shirik's+computer |
| 00:14.00 | Thunder_Child | my computer can beat both of your computers with 2 cores tied up. |
| 00:14.00 | Adys | Look |
| 00:14.05 | Adys | your computer made googlefight crash. |
| 00:14.19 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, I am not cute :( |
| 00:14.25 | Adys | yeah hes not |
| 00:14.35 | cogwheel | Shirik: true. |
| 00:14.43 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you are made of handsome and gallant. |
| 00:14.55 | Jelly___ | hugs Peppy. |
| 00:14.56 | Lopeppeppy | You protected me from evil people. That > all cuteness. |
| 00:15.05 | Kraps | hi gusy! |
| 00:15.11 | cogwheel | ohai |
| 00:15.20 | |Jelly| | Hi |
| 00:15.24 | Adys | HAHA |
| 00:15.24 | Adys | After seeing all this mess, i'm +1 on using BigIntField. Good work. |
| 00:15.32 | alestane | I made a new word today by accident. I'm still not sure exactly what makes "qute" different from "cute" though. |
| 00:15.37 | Adys | I win, again. |
| 00:16.33 | tem | So |
| 00:16.37 | tem | I had back surgery last fall |
| 00:16.43 | tem | as a result, I can't lift heavy things |
| 00:16.46 | theorbtwo | Halfway between "sweet" and "cute"? |
| 00:17.03 | tem | Among those heavy things is may laptop |
| 00:17.07 | theorbtwo | tem: Excuse to be lazy! Win! |
| 00:17.13 | cbreak | how inconvenient :/ |
| 00:17.17 | tem | s/may/my/ |
| 00:17.21 | cogwheel | ouch... |
| 00:17.26 | Lopeppeppy | Your laptop is too heavy? |
| 00:17.26 | tem | well |
| 00:17.28 | theorbtwo | Eeep. Get a lighter laptop? |
| 00:17.33 | tem | it's 20 lb |
| 00:17.34 | Adys | how can a laptop be too heavy? |
| 00:17.34 | cbreak | get a mac :/ |
| 00:17.38 | |Jelly| | wow |
| 00:17.41 | Lopeppeppy | That's a lotta laptop, my dear. |
| 00:17.43 | cbreak | I have no idea how much 20 lb is |
| 00:17.45 | theorbtwo | That's not really a laptop. |
| 00:17.51 | tem | well |
| 00:17.53 | cbreak | but my mac book is around 2.5 kg |
| 00:17.53 | theorbtwo | 9kg |
| 00:17.54 | Dagmar | That's not a laptop, that's a "luggable" |
| 00:17.58 | cogwheel | cbreak: about 2 and a half stone |
| 00:18.03 | cogwheel | hides |
| 00:18.05 | Dagmar | Did you buy that thing off StrongBad or what? |
| 00:18.11 | tem | I bought it from Dell |
| 00:18.13 | cbreak | cogwheel: who are you, Obelix? |
| 00:18.14 | tem | almost 6 years ago |
| 00:18.16 | Jerub | laptop weight is my biggest criteria. |
| 00:18.22 | tem | it's ancient |
| 00:18.24 | Jerub | <- Lenovo X200s |
| 00:18.26 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. Strongbad Delltop! |
| 00:18.29 | Adys | cbreak: the only laptop I know that weighs 9kg is a mac |
| 00:18.34 | theorbtwo | I heartily recommend a toughbook. |
| 00:18.34 | tem | got a foot in the grave and another on a banana peel |
| 00:18.47 | Shirik | <3 Lopeppeppy |
| 00:18.50 | tem | I really can't afford to replace it |
| 00:18.54 | cbreak | Adys: you sure you don't mean the Apple II? :) |
| 00:19.01 | Jerub | i know of laptops that big. multiple harddrives, multiple video cards, 20" screen. ;) |
| 00:19.02 | Adys | I do mean the apple II |
| 00:19.13 | Adys | my father owned one |
| 00:19.16 | tem | but I also can't stand sitting through a 1.5h class of nonsense without a laptop |
| 00:19.19 | Dagmar | Jerub: I don't think even Alienware's behemoths weighed 20lbs tho |
| 00:19.20 | theorbtwo | Used laptops are fairly cheap on eBay. |
| 00:19.29 | tem | so, what are you opinions on Netbooks? |
| 00:19.39 | Jerub | there are two laptops that meet my weight/price reuqirements: lenovo x200 and the toshiba r600 |
| 00:19.42 | Adys | Reminds me. What are the best intel quadcores on the market now? |
| 00:19.50 | cbreak | I fail to see the distinction between netbooks and normal laptops |
| 00:19.57 | Jerub | the macbook air is considered 'midweight' by my reckoning |
| 00:19.59 | tem | theorbtwo, HI IM A RED FLAG. NICE TO MEET YOU |
| 00:20.07 | WobWork | I like my netbook |
| 00:20.08 | Jerub | cbreak: netbooks have shitty cpus and dpi. |
| 00:20.09 | tem | That is what "used laptop" says to me |
| 00:20.12 | WobWork | for what it's used for |
| 00:20.38 | Jerub | cbreak: the laptop industry had gotten into a trap where ultrasmall = ultrahighprice + ultrahighres |
| 00:20.41 | WobWork | ie, not a desktop replacement |
| 00:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | tem, netbooks are okay if you're not doing anything with them but casual surfing/chatting/lightweight word processing stuff. Anything else, forget it. |
| 00:20.44 | cogwheel | i have a used laptop. I used it all up. |
| 00:20.45 | theorbtwo | tem: Shrug. What else do you do with your old laptop when you buy a new one? |
| 00:20.50 | Jerub | cbreak: netbooks are just laptop manufacturers turning that equation on its head. |
| 00:20.50 | cogwheel | is dead now |
| 00:21.02 | cbreak | so basically, marketing babble |
| 00:21.06 | Kraps | GC did a tl;dr |
| 00:21.12 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/22418980748-do-we-really-have-to-wait-for-cata-for-fixes.html |
| 00:21.35 | tem | Lopeppeppy, I really woudn't be doing anything more than surfing in boring classes and taking notes in hard ones |
| 00:21.41 | theorbtwo | Netbooks started as a good idea from Asus: produce something small and cheap, instead of middle-sized and expensive or small and *very* expensive. |
| 00:21.44 | Jerub | cbreak: uh, marketting yes, babble no. marketing is about market analysis and targetting, and is a step that comes before R&D. Babble is done by 'sales' which is post-R&D. |
| 00:21.55 | Fisker | slaps Jerub around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:21.57 | Fisker | goodnight |
| 00:21.59 | Jerub | netbooks started as a good idea from the OLPC project. |
| 00:22.26 | Jerub | asus said, "OMG people want a small cheap light laptop and don't care about it being only 366mhz?" and rushed a product to market |
| 00:22.41 | WobWork | eh, as I said, I love my netbook for what it's good for |
| 00:22.44 | theorbtwo | The original eees were very inexpensive and feel like it. They were decidedly underpowered for a laptop, but a lot of kick for 300gbp. |
| 00:22.50 | WobWork | I take it to cafes |
| 00:22.57 | WobWork | and otherwise use it as a torrent server |
| 00:23.02 | theorbtwo | They seem to have gotten larger, more expensive, and faster -- in other words, just like laptops. |
| 00:23.03 | Lopeppeppy | tem, it could work well for you then. Don't expect omg fast interwebs though. |
| 00:23.10 | |Jelly| | My roomie just got an Asus netbook for school. For those purposes (considering she's a polisci major, and not anything srs like graphic design) it's working just fine. /shrug |
| 00:23.16 | Jerub | a sysadmin friend of mine says "home server" when he means "asus EEE" |
| 00:23.18 | WobWork | yeah |
| 00:23.22 | theorbtwo | My girlfriend loves hers. I lothe it. |
| 00:23.36 | WobWork | one thing though, get one with a near to full size keyboard |
| 00:23.37 | Jerub | (I <3 netbooks and think they're awesome, don't ge tme wrong, I just have a real laptop in the netbook weight class) |
| 00:23.38 | Dagmar | I think maybe they should have sent "people" to beat that poster up for implying that we are in some way "beta testers" |
| 00:23.44 | tem | Lopeppeppy, what does the laptop have to do with the network connection? |
| 00:23.56 | Jerub | tem: laptops have everything to do with the networkconnection. |
| 00:23.57 | Lopeppeppy | tem, check the hardware inside the laptop. |
| 00:24.07 | Dagmar | ...although a good smacking with a stick and a reminder that the game's been out longer than a mere 12 months would do. |
| 00:24.33 | WobWork | also.. "unfinished product"? |
| 00:24.41 | WobWork | if it were a finished product, I'd've stopped playing ages ago |
| 00:24.50 | cbreak | I am happy with my macbook 12 inch. Just the right size. |
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| 00:25.09 | theorbtwo | A cheap netbook sounds good for you. Try them in person if you can, and find one that you can stand to type on for an extended period. |
| 00:25.10 | Dagmar | WobWork: Someone should chain that guy to a chair and make him beta test STO. |
| 00:25.17 | Dagmar | ....and cut off his access to air when the servers go down. |
| 00:25.25 | WobWork | =( |
| 00:25.33 | WobWork | that's not much breathing room =( |
| 00:25.35 | Dagmar | ...and only feed him when he can complete a mission. |
| 00:25.50 | Taishi | Hey guys sorry to bother you again but its occured to me that there might be something amiss on my Titan Panel. Correct me if I'm wrong but ya s'posed to be able to add most if not all plugins text and possibly icon to Titan Panel right? |
| 00:25.54 | amro | STO = star trek? |
| 00:26.00 | Dagmar | amro: Yep. |
| 00:26.03 | |Jelly| | theorbtwo: Best advice I've ever read regarding netbooks. lol Make sure you can type on them! (My hands are too big for my roomie's, lol) |
| 00:26.07 | Taishi | I see the option/s and tick them yet they don't appear on the panel |
| 00:26.08 | cogwheel | i used my old laptop as a home server... that's what killed it >< |
| 00:26.17 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ http://twitter.com/cwgabriel/status/7953043861 |
| 00:26.24 | Lopeppeppy | Taishi, when was Titan Panel last updated? |
| 00:26.26 | Dagmar | It's a bit less now, but there's still a possibility that upon release Universal might just sue them for mucking up their merchandising. |
| 00:26.33 | Taishi | I downloaded it today |
| 00:26.33 | ScytheBlade1 | (se also: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/1/18/) |
| 00:26.47 | Taishi | And it does have the options so one would assume it would do what its s'posed to |
| 00:26.49 | Lopeppeppy | Not downloaded dear. Updated onto the site from whence it was downloaded. |
| 00:26.57 | Jerub | is STO any good? |
| 00:26.59 | Dagmar | Yesterday apparently their bug reporting tool broke. |
| 00:27.01 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: Er... really? It seems pretty unlikely that they'd start such a project without proper permissions. |
| 00:27.08 | Dagmar | I don't think it broke. I think it just *overfilled* |
| 00:27.17 | theorbtwo | is just annoyed with STO for creating yet another continuity. |
| 00:27.36 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: there's permission and there's what'll happen when it releases in um, SIX DAYS, and like half the game doesn't work |
| 00:27.37 | Taishi | Friday, Jan 15 2010 |
| 00:27.41 | WobWork | Jerub: I found it very... slow |
| 00:27.41 | tem | Lopeppeppy, what do you mean? Low(er) quality cpu/ram than I'm used to just making the browser itself slow? |
| 00:27.43 | amro | theorbtwo: from the sound of it it might get discontinued. |
| 00:27.45 | amro | ~rimshot |
| 00:27.46 | purl | well, rimshot is http://www.instantrimshot.com |
| 00:27.50 | amro | ... |
| 00:27.52 | amro | bad purl |
| 00:27.54 | Dagmar | Some of it is very cool. |
| 00:27.55 | theorbtwo | STO obviously isn't in the timeline of the current film, *or* the current books. |
| 00:27.58 | Dagmar | Most of it just doesn't work at all. |
| 00:28.20 | theorbtwo | OTOH, I havn't played it, and I think info I've gotten on the backstory is inconsistant. |
| 00:28.24 | tem | I'm not talking about getting something with "mobile broadband" or anything. I'll just use it via wifi |
| 00:28.25 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=369emX5hYSQ |
| 00:28.25 | WobWork | wait, someone rewrote ~rimshot? =( |
| 00:28.36 | Taishi | Lop, it was updated last Friday |
| 00:28.38 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, so it's still maintained. And which plugins aren't showing up as you expect them to? |
| 00:28.43 | cogwheel | theorbtwo: it's set in the future from Nemesis |
| 00:28.59 | Taishi | None that aren't officially for Titan Panel |
| 00:29.11 | WobWork | Eh, I don't particularly expect MMOs to stick to an existing timeline |
| 00:29.16 | Taishi | But it does show them under Plugins with show icon and show plugin text options to tick |
| 00:29.16 | theorbtwo | tem: Yeah, that's part of the reason it sounds good for you -- it sounds like you'll mostly be using it at uni, where you presumably have free wifi. |
| 00:29.20 | WobWork | if you do, you get stuck like LOTRO |
| 00:29.34 | Taishi | as far as I gathered its s'posed to show any of those in that menu on its panel |
| 00:29.41 | tem | yes exactly |
| 00:29.43 | Dagmar | That reminds when when I get home I need to put in a G15 macro to explain some things to people in public missions... like "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SHOOT AT THE SAME TARGET OR WE'LL BE AT THIS ALL NIGHT" |
| 00:29.43 | theorbtwo | Because you have so little disk space, you won't have much local. |
| 00:30.05 | WobWork | http://www.whatisdeepfried.com/2008/04/07/weapon-brown-1/ |
| 00:30.22 | theorbtwo | cogwheel: So are the current books, but they have different events happening in those 30ish years. |
| 00:30.50 | Lopeppeppy | All of them have been updated recently too? The newest Titan Panel update might have confused older plugins, I've seen that happen before with Titan Panel. |
| 00:31.05 | Taishi | Yes they are all upto daet |
| 00:31.14 | Taishi | *date |
| 00:31.25 | Taishi | Meh damn chat lag |
| 00:32.33 | Kraps | http://i49.tinypic.com/2u8xaaq.jpg |
| 00:33.06 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. Then if they have all been updated on or after last friday, when the main panel was updated, I'm stumped. It's not simple incompatibility. I'd post to the comments section of the plugin, tell them exactly which Panel version you have and from where, and what things are and are not happening. |
| 00:33.42 | Taishi | sighs |
| 00:34.23 | theorbtwo | I think that the time is very much ripe for a true multi-media story -- where there are books, films, and an MMO that all work together to make the creators ooodles of money. |
| 00:34.41 | theorbtwo | I think STO could very easily have been part of such a franchise, but it isn't, and that's somewhat worrying. |
| 00:34.50 | Lopeppeppy | It's not as easy to figure out random conflicts as you might think, Taishi, I'm sorry. Once the easy shots are taken, the rest is hard slog work that only you can do. |
| 00:35.01 | theorbtwo | Hm, not worrying so much as disapointing. |
| 00:35.55 | Taishi | Well can you even confirm that you have a version that does infact add plugins to the panel t hat you have installed that were not even made for Titan Panel? |
| 00:36.33 | Taishi | I'm not totally convinced of the feature unless I know someone has it working |
| 00:36.40 | Lopeppeppy | That sentence didn't parse for me at all... |
| 00:37.02 | Taishi | >_> |
| 00:37.25 | Lopeppeppy | Try again, with some commas and small words for the challenged among us. It was a long day at work. |
| 00:37.47 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: Agreed. I genuinely like shooting people in space. |
| 00:39.01 | theorbtwo | I genuinely dislike when MMOs skimp on plot and characterization, and love the recent trek books. |
| 00:39.03 | Taishi | tbh I'm not in the mood for rewording, I don't think I made it that unclear |
| 00:39.11 | Dagmar | The fact that they very clearly did most of the heavy-lifting on this by simply repurposing the Champions Online engine when Champions is still incredibly unexciting and hackish because it "barely works" says a lot of bad stuff |
| 00:39.54 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: Thankfully they didn't recycle any of their "voice actors" |
| 00:40.11 | Lopeppeppy | Okie day, if anyone else has an idea, they'll chip right in. |
| 00:40.15 | Jerub | i had an excellent tank this morning, doing UP when we got to the boring plot bit, he pulled the trash mobs in the exit hallway |
| 00:40.20 | Dagmar | I started to record new voiceover segments for most of CO, and hten I decided it would be simpler to cancle |
| 00:40.27 | Dagmar | s/cancle/cancel/; |
| 00:40.48 | Dagmar | Jerub: I |
| 00:40.58 | Dagmar | Jerub: I've gotten used to that actually. |
| 00:41.15 | Dagmar | Svala runs her mouth while we kill aboms |
| 00:41.22 | Dagmar | There could be purples in there |
| 00:41.30 | Taishi | Ok I'll try to put it more simple for you >_> |
| 00:41.43 | Taishi | Do you have a Titan Panel that does what I'm asknig about? |
| 00:41.59 | Taishi | That is what I want to know, I wanna know if I got the right impression and if that feature really does work |
| 00:42.02 | theorbtwo | Purples in svala's mouth? Ew! |
| 00:42.12 | Taishi | No point in asking about it if it doesn't |
| 00:42.31 | WobWork | btw, that comic may be NSFW |
| 00:42.33 | WobWork | as I'm discovering =P |
| 00:42.58 | Jerub | that was the first time in 3 weeks i've healed an instance. |
| 00:43.03 | Jerub | I join groups as tank/healer |
| 00:43.19 | Jerub | must've had a tank surge this morning. |
| 00:43.22 | amro | so, you're a blood dk? |
| 00:43.31 | Jerub | amro: hah |
| 00:43.36 | Lopeppeppy | I have used Titan Panel before, and when I did, and I had properly installed the plugins and they were as up-to-date-as the panel itself, it worked as you think it should. But if any of those items fail, it does not work. If the panel gets updated and the plugins do not, sometimes they do not work (while still appearing perfectly compatible). If the plugin isn't properly installed you won't even see it in your addon menu, so yo |
| 00:44.02 | Jerub | Shirik: did oyu find that dude who wrote bout running raiding guilds? |
| 00:44.15 | Lopeppeppy | I stopped using Titan Panel, and the one that came after that was similar, because of the frustrations of exactly what you're facing today. It was just too much grumpy for my tastes. |
| 00:46.21 | Dagmar | Whatssitcalled... DisplayPanel or something like that for LDB |
| 00:46.29 | WobWork | NinjaPanel |
| 00:46.35 | WobWork | ChocolateBar |
| 00:48.52 | NeoTron | STO is Cryptic |
| 00:48.52 | Dagmar | Nah |
| 00:49.18 | NeoTron | which imho seems to me "pretty cool, good potential, not finishing, lacking in depth and polish but plenty of open fluff promises... with life time accounts" |
| 00:49.34 | NeoTron | s/finishing/finished/ |
| 00:49.45 | Dagmar | DockingStation... that's the one I'm using. |
| 00:49.50 | Dagmar | The name sucks but it works fine |
| 00:50.04 | Taishi | Argh stupid chat not working again |
| 00:50.18 | NeoTron | ButtonBin is leet (rather, I use it because I wrote it but it's not FuBar/TitanPanel even if it can be made to look similar) |
| 00:50.27 | Taishi | Lope: What do you use hats similar? just out of curiousity |
| 00:50.46 | Dagmar | NeoTron: With how unfinished Champions still is I somewhat suspect the people buying Lifetime subs for STO are just idiots |
| 00:51.26 | Taishi | Hmm, I think I remember ButtonBin or something similar a long time ago, but its not really my thing, I don't like having a window full of buttons, I think the panel looks better, no offense |
| 00:51.31 | Lopeppeppy | Fubar was what came after Titan, I used that for a while. It had some of the same grumps, so I stopped using that as well. |
| 00:51.57 | NeoTron | Dagmar: sort of my point |
| 00:52.05 | Lopeppeppy | I finally just stopped displaying the buttons at all, and memorized the commands for opening the menus of the few addons I use. I have SL Datatext displayed on a kgPanel, and that's it. |
| 00:52.13 | NeoTron | Taishi: you clearly don't know what button bin can do ;-) |
| 00:52.25 | NeoTron | Taishi: initially it was just button but that was for a very brief period of time |
| 00:52.39 | Taishi | Well right now I use only show buttons when mouse over minimap, suits me just fine |
| 00:53.00 | Taishi | Ok so what -can- it do then? |
| 00:53.20 | Taishi | Heh.. can.. bin.. get it? anyways.. no seriosuly, what can it do? |
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| 00:56.00 | NeoTron | it can make bars, buttons, mix thereof |
| 00:56.16 | Dagmar | What about zippers, then? |
| 00:57.24 | Taishi | bars? |
| 00:57.46 | Taishi | So basicaly a line/strip of map buttons? |
| 00:58.01 | NeoTron | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/button-bin.aspx has screenshots |
| 00:58.14 | NeoTron | buttons, text, lables etc |
| 00:58.17 | NeoTron | not just icons |
| 00:58.47 | NeoTron | and each individual data provider can be configured individually whether to show icon, text, label overriding the bin and overall defaults |
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| 00:59.42 | NeoTron | the main difference between buttonbin and say fubar, is that each individual bin doesn't allow things to be left/right/center justified |
| 00:59.59 | NeoTron | but the default setup is three bins - one that's left, one middle, one right justified |
| 01:00.08 | Taishi | Meh, I hate hard to see screenshots |
| 01:01.10 | Taishi | Oh I see it now |
| 01:01.15 | Taishi | hmm, I s'pose its interseting |
| 01:01.20 | Lopeppeppy | I'll bookmark that for when I have two hands again, Neo, thanks! |
| 01:01.27 | NeoTron | curse fails on highly irreglar screenshots |
| 01:01.28 | Taishi | I like Titan Panel though cus it has a skin tat fits nicely with my UI lol |
| 01:01.44 | Taishi | I might throw it in as an extra feature, heh |
| 01:02.20 | NeoTron | BB was the first bar-like displayer for LDB (before that it was "blocks" that you had to move individuall), but now it's somewhere inbetween |
| 01:02.34 | NeoTron | ones mentioned earlier try to be more like fubar |
| 01:03.39 | Zyn | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=31482 |
| 01:04.19 | Dagmar | lol |
| 01:04.23 | NeoTron | pretty much all my addons are made because I wanted what they provide |
| 01:05.29 | Taishi | Like I said if I'm not mistaken I remember BB from a long time ago |
| 01:05.29 | Taishi | Wasn't it just a frame/window with butons back then? |
| 01:05.51 | Taishi | Yeah, I remember it, thats going back a few years |
| 01:08.04 | Dagmar | My browser has no ability to teleport goats. I think my build of Chrome may have gone bad. |
| 01:08.41 | Lopeppeppy | That sounds critical |
| 01:09.04 | theorbtwo | Very important feature, that. |
| 01:09.47 | Dagmar | Oh I see. I need Chrome 4 for that to work |
| 01:10.02 | cbreak | did you specify that in the USE flags? |
| 01:10.14 | Dagmar | Where would I put those in Windows 7?> |
| 01:11.39 | amro | not sure, but I know where you should put Windows 7 |
| 01:12.11 | cbreak | that's probably why he wants to get a goat teleported |
| 01:12.37 | WobWork | Adys: You might like the aformentioned linked comic |
| 01:12.57 | WobWork | Adys: as an example... http://www.whatisdeepfried.com/2009/02/13/weapon-brown-55/ |
| 01:14.03 | alestane | The unholy trinity of Garfield, Bucky and Bill the Cat? |
| 01:15.00 | WobWork | that's not garfield... yet |
| 01:15.30 | alestane | Hethcliff, then. |
| 01:15.35 | alestane | Heathcliff* |
| 01:15.45 | WobWork | move a few panels forward =P |
| 01:17.03 | alestane | Yeah, big black nose, definitely Heathcliff. |
| 01:17.33 | NeoTron | Taishi: very early on, it was just icons but I changed that very early on since I discovered that alone was not useful |
| 01:17.56 | NeoTron | however more recently I changed the default to be a bar-like setup rather than a rather useless blob of icons in the center of the screen |
| 01:18.07 | NeoTron | so it's not so much that the addon changed as the addon defaults changed |
| 01:18.30 | Legorol | omg, i just found cogwheel ingame, for the first time |
| 01:18.34 | Legorol | and he has some quests too! zomg |
| 01:19.14 | amro | not RTFM ftl |
| 01:19.15 | amro | delete jobs.back(); |
| 01:19.17 | Lopeppeppy | You'll find Peppy too. :) |
| 01:19.23 | amro | where jobs is std::deque >< |
| 01:20.33 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: serious? |
| 01:20.36 | Legorol | give me hints :) |
| 01:21.24 | Lopeppeppy | Westguard. |
| 01:22.08 | alestane | Legorol: Cogwheel in-game is a she, but yes. Have you found Zootfizzle yet? |
| 01:22.30 | Lopeppeppy | Zooty zoot zoot |
| 01:22.51 | Legorol | yah i found zoot quite a while back |
| 01:23.00 | Adys | you'll also find adys |
| 01:23.03 | Legorol | :O |
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| 01:23.20 | Adys | only on a specific server, and not very often anymore |
| 01:23.22 | Adys | but you'll find her. |
| 01:23.35 | Lopeppeppy | He appears to hate cogs! :) |
| 01:23.46 | amro | look in the red district in stormwind for Adys |
| 01:23.50 | Legorol | Adys or zoot? |
| 01:23.56 | Adys | both |
| 01:25.26 | amro | sometimes you'll also find Tamere. |
| 01:25.58 | Adys | ><>< |
| 01:26.32 | amro | best name ever and you know it |
| 01:27.03 | WobWork | Tamere? |
| 01:27.08 | Taishi | OMG 2nd person who DC'd on me tonight >_> |
| 01:28.00 | amro | WobWork: yes |
| 01:28.43 | Adys | man |
| 01:28.56 | Adys | how can so many people have only 3-4k achievement points? |
| 01:28.59 | Adys | dont you guys have ocd? |
| 01:29.15 | Taishi | Whats ocd? |
| 01:29.23 | Adys | its a lesser form of cdo |
| 01:29.47 | amro | Adys: easy, just don't open the achievement panel |
| 01:29.49 | amro | unbind Y |
| 01:30.13 | Taishi | And cdo is what exactly? |
| 01:30.23 | Adys | a more advanced form of ocd |
| 01:30.30 | Taishi | >_> |
| 01:30.49 | amro | Taishi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCD |
| 01:30.53 | Taishi | Whatever then, if ya gonna be an awkward patronising bitch, I don't have time for games |
| 01:31.11 | Adys | you're the one who cant even pull a google page |
| 01:31.22 | Taishi | Parden my french but when I'm in the middle of other things and someone wants to mess me around in chat it gets on my nerves |
| 01:31.24 | Adys | i dont exactly give a shit whether you end up smarter in 5 min :P |
| 01:31.56 | Taishi | Probably a load of crap I wouldn't be interested in anyway |
| 01:32.14 | amro | ~chill Taishi |
| 01:32.15 | purl | ACTION grabs Taishi and rams a chillpill down Taishi's throat with a toilet plunger |
| 01:32.20 | Adys | nice assumptions there |
| 01:33.03 | Adys | if you're in the "middle of other things", dont ask what something is on irc |
| 01:33.06 | Taishi | spits it out and goes back to playing WoW "Would rather play thanks" |
| 01:33.14 | Adys | drop off irc and do your other stuff |
| 01:33.24 | Taishi | Wel excuse me for being sociable |
| 01:33.50 | amro | chill out |
| 01:34.11 | amro | I linked you what you should have looked up |
| 01:34.17 | amro | end of story, move on |
| 01:34.23 | Bruners | zymg, paypal didnt like that i had blocked my debit card for USA/Asia transactions |
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| 01:37.59 | NeoTron | Adys: achievements are fun as a means to an end |
| 01:38.16 | NeoTron | i.e I do achievements only if they result in something I want or if they are a natural result of my normal gameplay |
| 01:38.41 | NeoTron | I do not do achievements that involves doing boring as heck crap like doing every single quest in every zone, exploring every zone completely etc |
| 01:38.56 | Taishi | WTF? O_o |
| 01:39.04 | Dagmar | THey should add some dubious once. |
| 01:39.08 | Dagmar | s/once/ones/; |
| 01:39.20 | Dagmar | ...like getting the killing blow on yourself during Mirrored Soul. |
| 01:39.35 | NeoTron | Unchievements |
| 01:39.41 | Taishi | It kinda reminsd me of xbox rofl |
| 01:39.46 | amro | ~NeoTron++ |
| 01:39.50 | Dagmar | Marks of Shame. |
| 01:39.52 | NeoTron | dying to fire, killing yourself, having died from falling more than 25 times etc |
| 01:40.01 | Dagmar | Man I'd have that one already |
| 01:40.03 | NeoTron | pulling aggro off tank and dying.. |
| 01:40.18 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I sort of refuse to chase achievements, it gets really OCD after a while, and that's just insane. |
| 01:40.24 | NeoTron | Dagmar: well see I used to do it a lot because my "toggle sexymap hud" button was close to my "mount" button |
| 01:40.30 | Dagmar | For a long while after wrath's launch "Gravity" was my Number One Enemy |
| 01:40.30 | NeoTron | so instead of toggling the map I'd unmount |
| 01:40.55 | NeoTron | I fixed it now mostly by dropping mining for engineering (now I have a sexy parachute cloak AND I rarely need to use the hud since I have no gathering profs) |
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| 01:41.13 | Taishi | *reminds |
| 01:42.16 | Dagmar | I find it somewhat amusing that you can't fall to your death in the Gunship battle in ICC, or by jumping off the walkway near Saurfang. |
| 01:43.12 | Kraps | http://io9.com/5452485/joss-whedon-launching-a-new-show-on-fx |
| 01:43.15 | Dagmar | I'm guessing it's probably because the range of the jetpacks is *just* enough to get you over. |
| 01:43.23 | Dagmar | ...and it's really easy to miss |
| 01:43.43 | Dagmar | ...especially knowing that you just turned your back on someone really vicious just to be able to bounce over |
| 01:50.08 | NeoTron | would be fun if the relative position between the two varied |
| 01:50.21 | NeoTron | and I hope hard mode = falls are death |
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| 01:51.43 | Dagmar | Yeesh |
| 01:51.58 | Dagmar | I would have just liked knowin in advance that if I miss it'll just teleport me back up |
| 01:52.21 | Dagmar | I wasted all that time typing "F**KING MISSING THE #@$@ BOAT F**KING SUCKS" |
| 01:52.43 | Dagmar | ...then *p3wf* I'm back on deck like nothing ever happened with that text blocking the screen. |
| 01:53.41 | Dagmar | I manned the fore guns. :) |
| 01:53.49 | Legorol | Dagmar: what ar eyou on about? you can die like that, our people die all the time |
| 01:54.14 | Legorol | as for jumping back with jetpack: you don't need to face the place you are jumping to, so keep character facing the mob you are tanking, turn camera, target with jetpack, go |
| 01:54.15 | Dagmar | Legorol: Then it's been changed because I definitely fell off the boat on Saturday. |
| 01:54.37 | Dagmar | Down down down down... and then *p0p* right back on deck. |
| 01:54.41 | Legorol | dunno, in our case we could die first week as well as this week |
| 01:54.55 | Legorol | it'd be surprising if you were allowed to fall and not die |
| 01:55.09 | Legorol | besides, the jetpack range is quite forgiving, you can jump from behind the railing to behind the railing |
| 01:55.14 | Dagmar | I jumped off the walkway several times during Saurfang wipes |
| 01:55.21 | Dagmar | All it does is teleport you back up. |
| 01:55.25 | Legorol | strange |
| 01:55.30 | Dagmar | THEN he kills you. |
| 01:55.40 | Legorol | saurfang is different though |
| 01:55.42 | Dagmar | I was tryin to find some way to weasel out of it |
| 01:55.48 | Legorol | i have most definitely died by jetpacking off |
| 01:55.50 | Legorol | today too :) |
| 01:56.04 | Legorol | there are many bosses that port you back to them though |
| 01:56.07 | Dagmar | Maybe you need to hit hte edge with your feet and bounce over the edge |
| 01:56.19 | Legorol | are you normally tanking on the enemy ship? |
| 01:56.19 | Dagmar | I didn't miss it by much |
| 01:56.25 | Dagmar | I'm a hunter. |
| 01:56.30 | Legorol | maybe the boss is teleporting you back as an anti-evade thing |
| 01:56.35 | Legorol | mmm nvm then |
| 01:56.44 | Dagmar | I'm not tanking that. I'm over there shooting the mage so I can get back on The Big Gun. |
| 01:57.01 | Legorol | *shrug* |
| 01:57.11 | Legorol | i have died in the second week, and today, from falling off |
| 01:57.15 | Dagmar | I also think we should be able to get some free licks in on their combat mage. |
| 01:57.17 | Legorol | that's all i know |
| 01:57.27 | Legorol | it all is irrelevant though |
| 01:57.31 | Legorol | that fight is very easy as it is |
| 01:57.33 | Dagmar | It woulnd't make much sense for the general to teleport you back up to the other ship |
| 01:57.38 | Legorol | i would like to know what it will be like on heroic |
| 01:58.19 | Dagmar | We had some bad information on our first run on the boat |
| 01:58.32 | Legorol | screw that, find out for yourself... very easy to figure out what's going on |
| 01:58.39 | Dagmar | Well, on the guns, absolutely |
| 01:58.44 | Legorol | on anything |
| 01:58.57 | Legorol | there are only three things in that fight: shoot with guns, kill mobs on your side, kill mage on other side |
| 01:58.58 | Legorol | that's it |
| 01:59.12 | Dagmar | The healer was waiting on the tank to jump across, the tank was waiting for the healer to jump across... |
| 01:59.13 | Dagmar | I didn't wait. |
| 01:59.16 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 01:59.21 | Legorol | oh and don't stand in massive glowing pulsating targeting circles at your feet.. but that's obvious |
| 01:59.25 | tem | Wheeeee 57000 hp |
| 01:59.29 | Dagmar | I *did* however feign and ask "Are you guys coming or what?" |
| 01:59.40 | Legorol | sure, those things happen |
| 01:59.48 | Legorol | that takes a wipe or two to nail, but not hard |
| 02:00.27 | Legorol | we are now doing that fight in giggle-mode, because raid leader refuses to try the I'm On A Boat achi |
| 02:00.33 | Legorol | i'm a tank.. and i like to go take a gun |
| 02:00.53 | Dagmar | Not really a bad plan |
| 02:01.01 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EYAUazLI9k&annotation_id=annotation_72265&feature=iv |
| 02:01.12 | Thunder_Child | a tad old |
| 02:01.17 | Dagmar | They were trying to decide who to put on the guns at first... I didn't really leave them many options. |
| 02:01.29 | Legorol | :) |
| 02:01.40 | Dagmar | I was very much saying "ME. I'm on one of the guns." "Oh yes. I'm shooting the hell out of some people today." |
| 02:02.08 | Dagmar | I've got probably more time on the airship guns in IoC than I have on the ground in there |
| 02:02.34 | Dagmar | That made the other hunter take the second gun |
| 02:03.32 | Yssaril | anyway to do a gmatch with multible possible patterns? |
| 02:04.39 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: If you see something like that happen in real life, RUN |
| 02:05.09 | Dagmar | All those people are just one step away from line dancing. |
| 02:07.02 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: i'd rather just oggle |
| 02:08.08 | Lopeppeppy | Ghostbusters never loses the charm. |
| 02:08.54 | alestane | Contra dancing has nothing to do with country line dancing. Nada. Zilch. And if it did I would still deny it. |
| 02:09.18 | Lopeppeppy | alestane! ahem. |
| 02:09.44 | Dagmar | If it looks like line dancing and it sounds like line dancing, it's line dancing. |
| 02:10.02 | Dagmar | You sure as hell don't want people to catch you doing it on film. |
| 02:12.10 | WobWork | man that's an awesome comic |
| 02:18.19 | Shirik | >< There was an entire box ofchocolate covered strawberries at my door |
| 02:18.32 | alestane | And this is something to frown over? |
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| 02:19.10 | Thunder_Child | yes, it has chocolate |
| 02:19.28 | amro | alestane: I assume he's frowning over the "was" part |
| 02:19.47 | WobWork | man, that's an awesome comic |
| 02:21.20 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnuujd8YR4k hahaha |
| 02:21.23 | Shirik | Kraps you would like |
| 02:23.26 | Nechckn | Shirik, Did some savvy neighbor steal your goodies? |
| 02:23.34 | Shirik | no I got them |
| 02:23.51 | Nechckn | Hrm... |
| 02:24.01 | Nechckn | So why the >< ? |
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| 02:25.47 | Shirik | unexpected |
| 02:25.49 | Lopeppeppy | steals Shirik's goodies! |
| 02:25.53 | Shirik | nuu :( |
| 02:26.15 | Lopeppeppy | Well, then eat them and be thankful someone got you a present! |
| 02:26.46 | Lopeppeppy | I can tell you *exactly* who last sent me flowers/candy, but I wouldn't embarass him in public that way. :) |
| 02:27.26 | Shirik | I would but you would never trust me with your address so :P |
| 02:27.54 | Lopeppeppy | You are such a poor liar! |
| 02:28.13 | Lopeppeppy | You know exactly where to find it. Go looking. |
| 02:28.46 | amro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gHORDBZuOA |
| 02:29.24 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy hates me |
| 02:29.36 | Shirik | she even stole my birthday present |
| 02:29.39 | Shirik | like seriously, who does that |
| 02:30.28 | Thunder_Child | why does >< = unexpected? |
| 02:30.35 | Shirik | it's like... |
| 02:30.49 | Shirik | I don't know how to describe that face, it means a lot of things |
| 02:31.01 | Thunder_Child | we cant have emoticon slang, it's hard enough as it is |
| 02:31.12 | Shirik | it's like "erk" |
| 02:31.18 | Arrowmaster | sweet i may have finally killed cartographer! |
| 02:31.19 | amro | it's cartman taking a dump |
| 02:31.44 | Lopeppeppy | snuggles Shirik. If this is hate, bring it on! |
| 02:31.56 | Shirik | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 02:32.09 | Nechckn | Most use it as like a "squint" could be from having a HUGE smile or being like shocked. So, I guess it could work. |
| 02:32.18 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: your going to be posing nude for a painting arent you. |
| 02:32.30 | Lopeppeppy | I usually see it as "I'm grinning adorably like an anime cat" |
| 02:32.33 | Cairenn | I wouldn't terrify anyone that way |
| 02:32.47 | Shirik | but Lopeppeppy is still mean |
| 02:32.51 | Shirik | she didn't even wish me happy birthday |
| 02:32.51 | WobWork | I figure >< to be "I've scrunched my face up in despair/disappointment/disgust" |
| 02:32.55 | Lopeppeppy | I sowwwy. |
| 02:33.02 | WobWork | ^^ is the grinning anime cat |
| 02:33.03 | Nechckn | desires a print for above the fire place, Cairenn |
| 02:33.04 | Lopeppeppy | And I did too, this morning! And on Facebook! So that's twice. |
| 02:33.11 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:33.13 | Shirik | oh I never check facebook, lol |
| 02:33.16 | Shirik | and no you didn't this morning |
| 02:33.18 | Shirik | ! |
| 02:33.30 | Nechckn | I didn't, because I hate you. |
| 02:33.39 | Nechckn | So... there |
| 02:33.51 | Lopeppeppy | I did too. I so very did, I'm not that silly. I stalked you with emotes until I saw you, and then I birthday pounced you. |
| 02:34.12 | Shirik | I just checked my logs! |
| 02:34.13 | Lopeppeppy | But you didn't see it, so it doesn't count, so I do it again. |
| 02:34.22 | Lopeppeppy | Happy birthday, Shirik, and I hope you had a wicked awesome day! |
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| 02:35.08 | Shirik | oh so that's what (11:47:55) * +Lopeppeppy pounce-snuggles Shirik. was |
| 02:35.13 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 02:35.52 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe it was specialer in my head. *mourns* I've been plagued by some really horrible sheeple today, I blame them for distracting me from my duties of awesomeness. |
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| 02:37.01 | Thunder_Child | happy birthday Shirik, we will make a man out of you yet. |
| 02:37.12 | Lopeppeppy | Purr? |
| 02:37.37 | Thunder_Child | does that translate to sane speak Lopeppeppy? |
| 02:38.52 | Shirik | it's ok Lopeppeppy now you did 2x happy birthday so it's super special :) |
| 02:39.15 | Shirik | and I'm not sure if Thunder_Child is trying to hit on me or what |
| 02:40.06 | Thunder_Child | oh, i'm sorry, i didnt know sex was the only. excuse me for thinking you arent close minded. |
| 02:40.16 | Thunder_Child | s/only/only way/ |
| 02:40.34 | Shirik | >< |
| 02:40.40 | Thunder_Child | </sarcasm> |
| 02:41.14 | Lopeppeppy | TC, purring is universal. |
| 02:41.24 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: for? |
| 02:41.27 | Ancu | happy bday shirik! has fisker tried to kill you yet today? |
| 02:41.27 | Lopeppeppy | Purr is... just everything. From "I love you" to "remove your hand or I will chop it off" |
| 02:41.36 | Lopeppeppy | It's like aloha, for cats. |
| 02:41.41 | Shirik | purrs at Lopeppeppy and Thunder_Child |
| 02:42.01 | Shirik | you figure it out :P |
| 02:42.08 | Thunder_Child | i am quite sure 'aloha' does not mean 'remove your hand or i will claw your eyes out' |
| 02:42.26 | Thunder_Child | great, like we dont have enopugh trouble from lack of cummunication |
| 02:42.31 | Thunder_Child | enough* |
| 02:42.33 | alestane | "A dog wags its tail when it's happy and growls when it's angry. Now, I growl when I'm happy and wag my tail when I'm angry. Therefore, I'm mad." |
| 02:42.35 | Thunder_Child | communication* |
| 02:42.43 | Thunder_Child | (or bad typing) |
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| 02:46.11 | kd3 | whee, the door boss |
| 02:49.04 | Lopeppeppy | Whee, doors! |
| 02:50.16 | Shirik | I go to sleep now night |
| 02:50.46 | Lopeppeppy | Night! |
| 02:50.55 | Lopeppeppy | I'm gonna stop watching ghostbusters, it's creeping me out. |
| 02:51.43 | alestane | "I think there's at least two people inside there already, and I'm not sure we'd get along." |
| 02:51.51 | alestane | (Probably misquoted.) |
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| 02:54.02 | Lopeppeppy | It's the woman living alone in the haunted apartment. I had some... interesting dreams the other night, wound up with barricaded doors and sleeping with my sharp-pointy-bits collection. All of it. |
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| 02:55.16 | Arrowmaster | Lopeppeppy: want to barrow one of my many swords? |
| 02:56.00 | alestane | And I thought I had disturbing dreams. |
| 02:56.19 | Nechckn | Never mind him, Lopeppeppy Need someone to come and, eh hem, patrol your bedroom? |
| 02:56.31 | Lopeppeppy | Nechckn, the cats claim first dibs. |
| 02:56.53 | Lopeppeppy | Arrowmaster, that's part of the problem, the swords and the boar spear went with the ex in the divorce. I need something longer than my forearm. |
| 02:57.03 | Nechckn | Depending on the terms, I could possibly patrol them, too. ;-) |
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| 02:58.00 | Arrowmaster | hmm no boar spear but i got a battle axe |
| 02:59.35 | Lopeppeppy | That was going to be the next purchase, honestly, the armorer who did the boar spear does a nice light double-sided axe I was looking forward to. |
| 02:59.50 | Lopeppeppy | These things are on my shopping list for "when I don't get laid off" |
| 03:00.02 | Arrowmaster | i practically have this entire collection http://www.kitrae.net/fantasy/swords_of_the_ancients.html |
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| 03:02.17 | Kraps | Shirik: that is win |
| 03:02.24 | Shirik | I know right? |
| 03:02.52 | Lopeppeppy | Shiney. |
| 03:02.58 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you were going to bed. |
| 03:03.06 | Shirik | something came up |
| 03:03.21 | Lopeppeppy | *innocent whistling distracting self with shineys fail* |
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| 03:06.40 | Kraps | hey the blizz youtube channel has new D3/SC2 vids |
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| 03:11.47 | Thunder_Child | "Well, you know, when you want something really bad and you close your eyes and you wish for it? God's the guy that ignores you." |
| 03:15.42 | alestane | Kraps: I don't think those are new so much as new to the channel. |
| 03:15.55 | Kraps | ah my bad |
| 03:16.49 | Shirik | all done |
| 03:16.51 | Shirik | stab stab stab |
| 03:16.59 | Shirik | people making me do work on my birthday |
| 03:17.10 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5452997/the-lawyer+mans-cant-help-a-gamer-out |
| 03:21.12 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, darlin', I'm sorry! |
| 03:21.31 | Thunder_Child | sends Shirik some work |
| 03:21.31 | Jerub | You wouldn't work. |
| 03:21.33 | Jerub | ;) |
| 03:21.44 | Shirik | not your fault Lopeppeppy |
| 03:22.17 | Iriel | Speaking of work - Iriel (the original Iriel) just hit 74 |
| 03:22.49 | Lopeppeppy | Wooot! *ding* |
| 03:23.28 | Jerub | a guildmate logged off last night after i started a new toon on the basis she didn't want to hear me saying 'ding' every level to 15. |
| 03:23.43 | Jerub | So i sent her an email with 1 'Ding!' per level i gained that night. |
| 03:26.28 | Recluse | Hmm. I :SetScale(.65)'d my WorldMapFrame, and now my player arrow is no longer in the right place (too far up and left). Any obvious reason why that would happen? |
| 03:27.04 | Iriel | What is it anchored to I wonder |
| 03:27.23 | Iriel | the arrow is somewhat magical, it may require re-anchoring or re-scaling |
| 03:27.47 | Thunder_Child | mmm..magic arrow |
| 03:28.13 | Recluse | yeah, according to the only framexml i could find that referenced it, the dev comments say it is created in C, not in Lua. |
| 03:28.27 | Iriel | Yes, what's its parent ? |
| 03:29.16 | Recluse | hmm |
| 03:29.50 | Iriel | Ah, I think it's PlayerArrowFrame, which is a child of WorldMapFrame |
| 03:30.40 | Recluse | WorldMapFrame, yeah |
| 03:31.06 | Recluse | oddly, when i open the map, the radar blip that's normally around the arrow IS in the right place |
| 03:31.23 | Recluse | PlayerArrowEffectFrame, i believe it is |
| 03:31.26 | Arrowmaster | take a look at mapster and see if it does anything to it |
| 03:31.47 | Adys | Youtube Blog - Introducing YouTube HTML5 Supported Videos |
| 03:31.53 | Adys | http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2010/01/introducing-youtube-html5-supported.html |
| 03:32.32 | Iriel | I wonder if CreateWorldMapArrowFrame captures information about the frame and holds onto it |
| 03:33.18 | Dagmar | Adys: Now superimposing copyright warnings and vague accusations that you are somehow stealing from orphans in a crappy video has never been easier! |
| 03:35.37 | Thunder_Child | hahahaha http://fukung.net/v/14932/manwhore.jpg |
| 03:35.47 | Thunder_Child | (sfw) |
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| 03:38.55 | Jerub | http://fukung.net/v/14945/4ac869c8390e4d0fe5503b5f37238b78.jpg |
| 03:39.05 | Jerub | (sfw, lols) |
| 03:39.49 | Adys | I.. dont get it |
| 03:42.29 | Jerub | http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21156.html |
| 03:42.39 | Recluse | ah, i got it now - you have to scale it larger to make it work right. PlayerArrowFrame:SetScale(1.65) (with a .65 world map scale) |
| 03:43.09 | Lopeppeppy | Why do people have such problems with "we come in peace, shoot to kill" |
| 03:43.34 | Thunder_Child | http://kotaku.com/5452877/how-does-world-of-warcraft-threaten-the-porn-industry |
| 03:45.13 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/html5 - what do you guys see there? |
| 03:45.18 | Adys | particularly if you're in the US |
| 03:45.55 | Thunder_Child | O3D beach demo |
| 03:46.04 | Adys | location? |
| 03:46.48 | Thunder_Child | mine? |
| 03:46.50 | Adys | yes |
| 03:46.58 | Thunder_Child | Los Angeles |
| 03:47.09 | Adys | weird |
| 03:47.17 | Thunder_Child | granted i dont see the video though |
| 03:47.23 | Thunder_Child | err..now i do |
| 03:47.36 | Lopeppeppy | It wants to be o3d, but it looks... wrong. |
| 03:47.41 | Lopeppeppy | No video. |
| 03:47.57 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: move the slider |
| 03:48.07 | Lopeppeppy | Noooo ,it eats us my precious! |
| 03:48.09 | Thunder_Child | it didnt happen for me till i did that |
| 03:48.20 | Thunder_Child | and there seems to be no time index |
| 03:48.33 | Lopeppeppy | If it doesn't load normally like I expect, I assume it's kinda broken and I worry about it, so I don't touch it lest it infect my computer with hate. |
| 03:48.36 | Adys | its an old alpha test thing |
| 03:48.36 | Adys | but |
| 03:48.54 | Adys | its supposed to enable you to view videos in html5 |
| 03:49.03 | Adys | and i dont see anything to do that |
| 03:50.25 | Dagmar | *sigh*. |
| 03:50.42 | Dagmar | Is it wrong to make a fortune in STO selling medical supplies in the exchange for 300 credits? |
| 03:51.00 | Adys | "Ball Pit Google Chrome Icon Project" |
| 03:51.14 | Thunder_Child | just silly Dagmar |
| 03:51.22 | Adys | Related videos: "Your State of the Union - Submit now" "Obama: Year One", "Obama's first year in the White House" |
| 03:51.38 | Dagmar | Too right it's silly. The missions where you deliver 10 medical supplies doesn't even work |
| 03:51.55 | Thunder_Child | i mean it's still because it's a beata |
| 03:51.57 | Thunder_Child | beta* |
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| 03:52.24 | Dagmar | I dunno man. The moment I hit level 11 I'll have enough money to buy the most powerful guns I can get my hands on |
| 03:52.47 | Thunder_Child | i seem to be to lazy to play STO for some reason |
| 03:53.00 | Dagmar | ...and you know there is that guy who is like just in the next room who sells medical supplies all day long for 100 c |
| 03:53.03 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: and by 11 you mean LC R1? |
| 03:53.11 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: I thin kso |
| 03:53.19 | Dagmar | I've looted a few things that say |
| 03:53.44 | Dagmar | er "Lt. Commander" in light blue. Can't equipment. Light blue's a great color for telling someone something can't be done with just a few noins |
| 03:53.49 | Dagmar | (nouns.) |
| 03:53.58 | Bruners | anyone here that has made any HoN mods? |
| 03:54.43 | Dagmar | er can't equip them. Apparently I can't eat and type at the same time. |
| 03:55.03 | Jerub | how much does STO cost? |
| 03:55.18 | Dagmar | Jerub: That depends upon how you measure patience and frustration. |
| 03:55.20 | Jerub | I'm tempted to try it out, but don't want to spent $ on a box + $ for a subscription to try it... |
| 03:55.32 | Dagmar | Do you have a DelTaco near you? |
| 03:55.32 | Thunder_Child | "Specifically, Game Informer's rumor-centric Loose Talk column notes that there "won't be any game from the [Half-Life] franchise in 2010, and what will finally come out is still unknown," implying that the next entry in the series could be either Episode Three or Half-Life 3." |
| 03:55.58 | Dagmar | Jerub: They're putting open beta codes on the "Macho Meal" or whatever it's called |
| 03:56.22 | Dagmar | Right now tho I suspect it's probably going to go the route of Tabula Rasa |
| 03:56.32 | Jerub | i'm australian. |
| 03:56.38 | Jerub | what's macho meal? |
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| 03:56.50 | Thunder_Child | http://kotaku.com/5452327/when-world-of-warcraft-influences-russian-cologne-ads |
| 03:56.59 | Dagmar | Some variant of "I need a larger coke and fries to go with that" |
| 03:57.18 | Jerub | Dagmar: i don't know what you're saying. |
| 03:58.00 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: if you pre-order you can get a beta code |
| 03:58.20 | Dagmar | That doesn't exactly solve the "I'm unsure about shelling out $$ for this steaming box" |
| 03:58.44 | Dagmar | Jerub: If you ate lunch at a Del Taco and ordered a large drink and fries with it, you'd get an open beta code |
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| 03:59.22 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: seeing as how you can cancel said pre-order, it's not shelling anything out |
| 03:59.24 | Jerub | hm, by the capitalisation, Del Taco is a noun? a place? |
| 03:59.38 | Thunder_Child | restuarny |
| 03:59.39 | Dagmar | "Del Taco" is the name of a chain of fast food places |
| 03:59.42 | Jerub | oooh, okay. |
| 03:59.58 | Thunder_Child | s/restuarny// |
| 04:00.00 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: I imagine a lot of people don't know they can cancel that pre-order then |
| 04:00.04 | Jerub | soo. is there a website where i can sponsor someone to eat one of these meals? |
| 04:00.25 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: then they diserve to pay it |
| 04:00.26 | Dagmar | Ebay probably, and there's some guy on the forums who is eating a lot of lunches |
| 04:00.46 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: amazon is the best, they dont charge the CC untill it ships |
| 04:01.07 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: nice |
| 04:01.15 | Dagmar | That's handy |
| 04:01.42 | Dagmar | At the moment the thing is far from finished, and I mean WAY far from finished. |
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| 04:01.57 | Dagmar | ...and their devs are demonstrating an absolutely astonishing lack of clue. |
| 04:02.22 | Dagmar | Cryptic's version of an auction house initially only showed you 100 results from a search. |
| 04:02.31 | Dagmar | Anything more than that you would never see. |
| 04:02.43 | Dagmar | Then they made it a little better so you could see 100 results at a time. |
| 04:02.57 | Dagmar | Somehow, sorting these 100 items by cost eludes them. |
| 04:03.12 | Dagmar | ....and this is clearly the same code used from Champions Online, which has been out for months. |
| 04:04.08 | Dagmar | Their modeling people have been busy making models, but their storyline people and their technical team in charge of making the client not such are apparently all one guy named Hector. |
| 04:04.19 | Dagmar | s/such/suck/; |
| 04:05.09 | Dagmar | I *might* be convinced to pay $5 a month for it, but definitely not $15, and I would be hard-pressed to shell out the $44 (or likely $50 on release day) for the box. |
| 04:07.08 | Bruners | Dagmar: what game are you talking about? |
| 04:07.37 | Dagmar | STO |
| 04:07.47 | Dagmar | I *so* would like it to not suck |
| 04:07.56 | WobWork | You and many fanboys |
| 04:08.25 | Bruners | support linux gaming and buy HoN! |
| 04:08.40 | Dagmar | I've seen HoN. |
| 04:08.41 | Dagmar | No. |
| 04:08.42 | WobWork | I think Cryptic is depending on the sheer mass of mental 'WANT NAOEZ' from fanboys across the internet to inspirate their product til it glows |
| 04:09.02 | Dagmar | WobWork: They're certainly flogging the adspace with it |
| 04:09.22 | Dagmar | I think they're hoping everyone will see the box and then not actually investigate how little of the game works |
| 04:10.15 | WobWork | or pay for a lifetime account |
| 04:10.38 | Dagmar | There's a thread on the forums acting as a sort of roll call for Lifetimers. |
| 04:10.43 | Dagmar | Two whole pages. |
| 04:11.42 | Dagmar | I'm thinking that $55k won't really help |
| 04:12.34 | Arrowmaster | so are you a member of starfleet in STO? |
| 04:12.46 | Dagmar | I'm not really sure. |
| 04:12.56 | WobWork | I wonder how much money I'd've saved if Blizzard had offered such an account on launch |
| 04:12.58 | Dagmar | I'm apparently a Lieutenant of some sort |
| 04:13.08 | Dagmar | There's no Starfleet logo on the ship |
| 04:13.43 | Thunder_Child | yes you are |
| 04:13.56 | Thunder_Child | there is only Starfleet and the Klingon Alliance |
| 04:14.07 | Dagmar | The Klingon's are really polite. |
| 04:14.47 | Arrowmaster | yeah that doesnt really make sense to me, i dont recall starfleet officers having to use any kind of currency in star trek except when dealing with out races outside of starfleet, most things were provided for them |
| 04:14.49 | Dagmar | You run across them in deep space and one contacts you and says "Blah blah blah we're fighting here. Blah blah. Would you like to join the fight?" |
| 04:15.32 | Dagmar | Even if they sneak up on you and jump you to start the combat instance, right there on the screen from the outset is basically the "I'd like to just fly away, thanks" button. |
| 04:15.37 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: yeah, the ferengi selling stuff for 'energy'... |
| 04:15.49 | WobWork | "Time is money, friend!" |
| 04:15.50 | Arrowmaster | WobWork: in STO? |
| 04:15.52 | WobWork | yeah |
| 04:15.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah that makes no sense at all |
| 04:16.11 | Arrowmaster | ferengi only deal in gold plated latinum |
| 04:16.23 | Dagmar | No I'll tell you what makes no sense... There's a ferengi in the starbase who sells weapons. |
| 04:16.26 | Dagmar | ...for *cheap*. |
| 04:16.37 | WobWork | I have no idea what constitutes as 'cheap' =P |
| 04:16.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah so many things are wrong with that |
| 04:16.45 | Dagmar | Half the normal cost. |
| 04:16.47 | WobWork | since I've yet to earn any energy credits |
| 04:17.07 | WobWork | of course, a currencyless economy would not work so well in an MMO |
| 04:17.22 | Dagmar | I expected to see superpowered stuff that was ridiculously expensive. Not just different weapons with questionable merits at about half of the normal price. |
| 04:17.36 | Arrowmaster | 1. why would a ferengi be selling things on a starbase 2. why would a ferengi be selling things for cheap 3. why would you ever need to pay for a weapon on a starbase it should just be given to you |
| 04:17.37 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Federation_credit |
| 04:17.49 | Dagmar | Well, you can get a weapon with no problem. |
| 04:17.54 | Dagmar | Their weapons are just different. |
| 04:18.02 | Dagmar | No real advantage to using them that I can see. |
| 04:18.15 | amro | at least it exists |
| 04:18.17 | Thunder_Child | just dont forget Starfleet != UFP |
| 04:18.18 | amro | unlike SGW :( |
| 04:18.22 | Dagmar | I bought several, handed them out to my bridge crew (which are now entirely women yay) |
| 04:18.53 | Dagmar | Anyone thinking "chauvanist pig" should think back to the original Star Trek. |
| 04:19.13 | WobWork | Dagmar: are they all wearing red shirts? |
| 04:19.24 | Dagmar | The server crashed last night before I could finish changing out their uniforms for the original hot pants and skirts |
| 04:19.37 | Dagmar | WobWork: Pink shirts. Or at least one of them is |
| 04:21.02 | Dagmar | At least tactical is wearing pink. Science is *probably* wearing a light blue but with the server crashing I've no idea. |
| 04:21.11 | Dagmar | I wanted to make sure I could keep track of which one had the medical tricorder. |
| 04:21.52 | Dagmar | It's just canon enough that it should really wound any fanboys |
| 04:22.59 | Thunder_Child | oh? what isnt canon? |
| 04:23.28 | WobWork | colour schemes for the type of officer |
| 04:23.36 | Iriel | I think you're right |
| 04:23.38 | Iriel | and eng is yellow |
| 04:23.46 | Dagmar | Gold actually, but yeah |
| 04:23.49 | Thunder_Child | um..go look, they have changed that many times |
| 04:24.05 | Dagmar | For the scheme they've been showing so far, it would be the red/blue/yellow |
| 04:24.11 | Thunder_Child | it's simply that you can use the color scheme from any era |
| 04:24.23 | Dagmar | They've made it such a mish-mash |
| 04:25.02 | Arrowmaster | http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Federation_credit |
| 04:25.16 | Dagmar | There's freaking *Gorn* (which you have likely not seen outside of the original series, ever) and the Ferengi apparently don't know Starfleet all that well, yet supposedly it's far in the future |
| 04:25.59 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: does the vulcan homeworld still exist? |
| 04:26.09 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 04:26.18 | Thunder_Child | they use the origonal timeline |
| 04:26.32 | Arrowmaster | just checking |
| 04:26.38 | Thunder_Child | original* |
| 04:27.11 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: wasnt a gorn a regular at quarks bar? |
| 04:28.00 | Thunder_Child | hmm...maybe not |
| 04:28.14 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Probably |
| 04:28.19 | Dagmar | I've not looked. |
| 04:28.32 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: yes. |
| 04:28.37 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Gorn is, but not _the_ Gorn, who were a race that looked a bit like the Creature from the Black Lagoon. |
| 04:28.41 | Dagmar | Completely 60's camp |
| 04:29.53 | Dagmar | The whole "we're fighting with the borg but simultaneously fighting with these new Klingon people" thing just makes me wonder how hard they're trying. |
| 04:29.55 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: http://media3.startrekonline.com.s3.amazonaws.com/img/misc/Chart-01.jpg |
| 04:30.59 | Arrowmaster | that timeline is lacking |
| 04:31.16 | Dagmar | Oh I see... This timeline is based on the baby-faced timeline. |
| 04:31.24 | Dagmar | That's why it feels so half-arsed. |
| 04:31.37 | Arrowmaster | baby faced timeline? |
| 04:31.59 | Dagmar | yes, the timeline resulting from the latest movie with all the twenty-somethings starring in it |
| 04:32.38 | Arrowmaster | no thunder is saying that it is not based on the latest movie |
| 04:32.39 | Dagmar | Hey on the bright side when they get to the planet of lost children they'll have much less trouble talking to the inhabitants. |
| 04:33.16 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: You've got it backwards. |
| 04:33.31 | Nechckn | Pretty neat - http://spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/advanced-cars/loser-why-the-chevy-volt-will-fizzle |
| 04:33.32 | Dagmar | "2258 - Spock arrives. Vulcan destroyed." leading directly to STO |
| 04:33.55 | Dagmar | Vulcan wasn't destroyed in the original timeline |
| 04:33.57 | Thunder_Child | idiot |
| 04:33.59 | Dagmar | It's just a sandy hell |
| 04:34.03 | Arrowmaster | look at the end of the other timeline |
| 04:34.10 | Thunder_Child | end of the first timeline 2409 |
| 04:34.36 | Dagmar | Well then they've got no excuse at all for this massive cock-up |
| 04:34.51 | Arrowmaster | but still, a timeline with all the movies and ALL the time travelers in it would be better, ive lost count of how many theres been now |
| 04:34.58 | Arrowmaster | 4? |
| 04:35.03 | Arrowmaster | wait |
| 04:35.12 | Arrowmaster | 5 |
| 04:35.23 | Dagmar | The NPCs definitely gave me the impression that they felt the Klingons were a new threat |
| 04:35.39 | Jerub | depends if you mean one-off time travel like spock, kirk, etc. |
| 04:35.43 | Thunder_Child | they are, since starfleet has an alliance with them now |
| 04:35.48 | Nechckn | Bah.. someone had a pretty neat confluence type chart, will see if I can find it. |
| 04:35.55 | Jerub | or if you mean the ones that time travelled on a regular basis like the 29th century timecops |
| 04:36.09 | Nechckn | compared a whole ton of time traveling type "stuff" and who would intersect where, et cetera. |
| 04:36.11 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: fuck i forgot about kirk and that movie |
| 04:36.25 | Arrowmaster | Nechckn: seen it |
| 04:36.42 | Arrowmaster | was up on one of kotaku's sister sites |
| 04:37.05 | Nechckn | This was some home-grown thing, iirc, though - but it could have been picked up elsewhere. |
| 04:37.21 | Thunder_Child | prolly i09 |
| 04:37.25 | WobWork | Nechckn: I remember that |
| 04:37.26 | Nechckn | I think it was on a site run by someone Bleeter linked on FB |
| 04:37.32 | Thunder_Child | io9* |
| 04:37.53 | Nechckn | It was better than that one, by far, though. =) |
| 04:38.12 | Nechckn | is no "expert" on who went where/when, but it seemed reasonable. |
| 04:38.19 | Arrowmaster | http://io9.com/5346569/a-twirling-timeline-of-fictional-time-travel |
| 04:39.54 | Nechckn | Ah.. indeed - but it was on the InformationIsBeautiful.Net site. |
| 04:40.18 | Nechckn | pats Arrowmaster for such wondrous searchinating. |
| 04:40.19 | Dagmar | Hey check it I found one for Primer http://www.chemguide.co.uk/organicprops/aminoacids/catalase.jpg |
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| 04:41.16 | Nechckn | Some of the things on that site are just amazing, imnsho. |
| 04:41.40 | Nechckn | Dagmar tasty? |
| 04:42.18 | Arrowmaster | how many fucking times did they timetravel in TOS |
| 04:42.51 | Shirik | 3 |
| 04:43.08 | Shirik | wait you're talking about star trek? |
| 04:43.26 | Arrowmaster | what are you talking about? |
| 04:43.33 | Shirik | I just said a random number |
| 04:43.37 | Shirik | then I figured out what TOS was |
| 04:43.45 | WobWork | Dagmar: like http://xkcd.com/657/large/ |
| 04:43.50 | amro | Terms of Service? |
| 04:43.55 | Shirik | the original series |
| 04:44.03 | Shirik | imo |
| 04:44.13 | Shirik | I don't know if that's what Arrowmaster's talking about but that's what I'm assuming |
| 04:44.17 | Nechckn | From that graphic, Arrowmaster - Often. |
| 04:44.20 | Nechckn | It is |
| 04:44.45 | Shirik | See the problem with star trek's time travel, it never reached closure |
| 04:44.55 | Shirik | only once did they ever address the inherent problem in Voyager |
| 04:45.03 | Shirik | the other series completely avoided the issue altogether |
| 04:45.29 | Arrowmaster | i can think of 3 for TNG if you count the final 3 way back and forth as one |
| 04:45.30 | Nechckn | Actually, the "time" travel in Stargate seems more likely. |
| 04:45.32 | amro | time travel is bad |
| 04:45.38 | Shirik | pretty much all of them created what I have heard called a "temporal loop" |
| 04:45.42 | Nechckn | With it being other dimensiona and stuff. |
| 04:45.46 | Shirik | Voyager addressed this issue once, the others just ignore it |
| 04:46.13 | Shirik | well, I take that back. They addressed it once and then in another episode they forcefully ignored it |
| 04:46.17 | amro | Nechckn: SG time travel would be annoying if it wasn't funny |
| 04:46.19 | Arrowmaster | Nechckn: that wasnt time travel though, stargate had both time travel and interdimensional travel |
| 04:46.20 | amro | 1969 ftw |
| 04:46.41 | Shirik | harry kim says something like "but wtf this should be impossible because I never fixed the problem" and then captain janeway was like "advice about time travel: don't think too hard about it. It will never make sense." |
| 04:46.45 | Nechckn | Oh... bah, right, Arrowmaster |
| 04:46.49 | amro | Arrowmaster: seen Stargate: Continuum? |
| 04:46.59 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:47.09 | Nechckn | amro funny, yeah.. but it was acceptible, I guess. |
| 04:47.15 | amro | it's not interdimensional there |
| 04:47.29 | Arrowmaster | interdimensional was with the mirror |
| 04:47.56 | Arrowmaster | and then the other times they did it without the mirror, but they never used the gate to do it |
| 04:48.09 | amro | in SGA too |
| 04:48.18 | Arrowmaster | all the timetravel was with the gate and solar flares |
| 04:48.26 | amro | not all |
| 04:48.28 | Arrowmaster | the SGU one was fucking annoying |
| 04:48.33 | amro | SGU = bad |
| 04:48.38 | Nechckn | Um.. SGU is totally bizarre. |
| 04:48.45 | amro | totally bad* |
| 04:48.51 | Dagmar | They did time travel on SGU? |
| 04:48.53 | amro | it's a freaking soap opera |
| 04:49.07 | Dagmar | Oh wait, yeah that I don't really think counts as time travel. |
| 04:49.09 | Nechckn | But, it is supposed to be "reset" in the next mini-season, much like the new V |
| 04:49.27 | Dagmar | Finding out you didn't land when you thought you landed isn't exactly as feature-laden |
| 04:49.30 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: no it ended up being that time travel happened but they never actually did it in their current timeline |
| 04:49.52 | Nechckn | Both were, apparently going in bad directions "DUH", so they are supposed to be changing - with V more so. |
| 04:49.54 | amro | they're out in space billions of light years from earth, and what does the show focus on? relationships! |
| 04:49.55 | Dagmar | So there we go. They didn't time travel. |
| 04:50.24 | Arrowmaster | no they got a recording that went through time telling them what to do |
| 04:50.25 | amro | the wasted potential in SGU makes me weep for SGA's cancellation |
| 04:50.28 | Arrowmaster | TWICE |
| 04:50.41 | amro | yeah. |
| 04:50.41 | Dagmar | Them picking the guy no one liked to abandon on a planet as a cliffhanger... yeah that'll have people begging to know what happens. |
| 04:50.41 | amro | which sucks, they should have all died |
| 04:50.50 | Nechckn | lol |
| 04:50.56 | Nechckn | Now *that* would be original |
| 04:50.58 | amro | Dagmar: I dunno I liked him, he was the only one not crying like a baby |
| 04:50.59 | Nechckn | Boom all dead |
| 04:51.12 | Dagmar | amro: I dunno. I thought "math boy" was hanging pretty well |
| 04:51.14 | Nechckn | And no mystical intervention or other crap.. just dead. |
| 04:51.32 | Arrowmaster | anybody notice how in like the first or second episode it ended with a mystery shuttle flying off? |
| 04:51.33 | amro | math boy isn't bad, but he needs to start acting like an adult |
| 04:51.39 | Dagmar | ...aside from being a blatant and insulting ploy to make fans have someone to identify with. |
| 04:51.47 | Nechckn | He was awesome in the Enemy of the State thing on PBS... very good. |
| 04:51.52 | amro | Arrowmaster: yeah, but apparently that's too interesting. so they focus on who's shagging who instead |
| 04:52.00 | Nechckn | The sassy marooned doctor guy, that is,. |
| 04:52.05 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I did. I was a little pissed they seemed to just forget about that |
| 04:52.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: the show seemed to forget a LOT about, well as amro said, everything except who's fucking who |
| 04:52.28 | Dagmar | You'd think by now with all the busy work they've been doing that SOMEONE would have noticed it was gone |
| 04:52.40 | Nechckn | The whole stone thing has got to stop.. it's like Yeah, we use them to go back and screw our loved ones in someone else's body. |
| 04:52.48 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i dont think it was their shuttle |
| 04:52.53 | Nechckn | Totally frikkin' bizarre |
| 04:53.07 | amro | stones are a horrible plot device |
| 04:53.08 | Arrowmaster | Nechckn: and then get randomly pulled back |
| 04:53.12 | amro | so much for being "cut off" |
| 04:53.20 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: considering that it looked exactly like the other one? |
| 04:53.23 | Nechckn | Lol.. cut off, indeed |
| 04:53.29 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: she never knew that |
| 04:53.44 | Dagmar | she who? |
| 04:53.46 | amro | I give them points for that scene, it was hilarious |
| 04:53.53 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: ok youve not been watching it then |
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| 04:54.13 | Dagmar | I thought we were still talking about the mystery shuttle departure |
| 04:54.27 | Dagmar | Apparently you guys are a little quick to focus on that nookie scene |
| 04:54.32 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: oh no, i dont know i didnt get a good enough look at it |
| 04:54.46 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I started to get irked about it and I have a PVR;. |
| 04:54.59 | Arrowmaster | i download and archive everything |
| 04:55.02 | Arrowmaster | EVERYTHING |
| 04:55.08 | amro | I deleted SGU though |
| 04:55.09 | amro | crap |
| 04:55.16 | Nechckn | Everything, Arrowmaster? |
| 04:55.16 | Dagmar | Unless they rewrite history (hah they might) the shuttle that left and the shuttle that the senator died in look pretty much identical to me |
| 04:55.59 | Dagmar | I think we've found out where the scriptwriters for the first season of Lost went. |
| 04:56.13 | Nechckn | Well, the whole "The ship has many parts we cannot access, yet." thing from SG:A is really silly, too. |
| 04:56.23 | amro | except SG:A got over it pretty fast |
| 04:56.30 | Nechckn | I realize they can simply "open" a new room to add some crazy twist, but... MEH! |
| 04:56.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Nechckn: it would have been really alwesome.. if it was used for anything |
| 04:56.40 | amro | it was actually a fun factor because there was something new every few episodes |
| 04:56.40 | Arrowmaster | Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 04:56.41 | Arrowmaster | ext4 4.6T 1.2T 3.4T 26% /srv/data |
| 04:56.50 | Arrowmaster | Nechckn: until i have a need to delete, yes everything |
| 04:57.01 | Dagmar | So go back and look at 'em |
| 04:57.08 | Arrowmaster | i will later |
| 04:57.09 | NightHawkTheSane | amro: yeah, in sg:a it was "hey look what new toy we found THIS week" which at least provided amusing episodes |
| 04:57.12 | kd3 | blah. crap |
| 04:57.17 | Nechckn | Yeah! Do our light work, monkey boy! |
| 04:57.17 | Dagmar | I'm like amro. I nuked them in disgust when they started sucking |
| 04:57.18 | kd3 | 300 gigs of space left here |
| 04:57.20 | kd3 | time for a new raid |
| 04:57.35 | amro | Dagmar: well, they were sucking all along. we were just hoping it would pickup :P |
| 04:57.56 | Arrowmaster | ill just get larger drives when i run out of space and do the swap one and rebuild juggle |
| 04:57.56 | Dagmar | Okay so I didn't exactly delete them I just told the PVR to dump all but the most recent one, and it's expired now |
| 04:57.58 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.06 | Jerub | hey, i /like/ the most recent star trek. |
| 04:58.06 | Nechckn | giggles to himself |
| 04:58.19 | Nechckn | I hated it when it was on... HATED. |
| 04:58.25 | Dagmar | Nechckn: At least that series had a new and keep-worthy dancing green slave girls episode |
| 04:58.25 | Jerub | wait. |
| 04:58.28 | Jerub | enterprise, or the movie? |
| 04:58.30 | Nechckn | But...going back to it, it got better |
| 04:58.47 | Dagmar | Archer Trek isn't that bad |
| 04:58.47 | Nechckn | The final episode in the arena made me chuckle alot, though. |
| 04:59.02 | Nechckn | That was the worst CG ever |
| 04:59.03 | Arrowmaster | enterprise? |
| 04:59.10 | Dagmar | It's just a bit milquetoast, much like Archer |
| 04:59.12 | Arrowmaster | was that 2 seasons? |
| 04:59.14 | Nechckn | yeah.. |
| 04:59.23 | Arrowmaster | i downloaded it but havent even started watching it |
| 04:59.28 | Nechckn | The very last episode |
| 04:59.47 | Nechckn | Or do you mean the slave girl? |
| 04:59.54 | Dagmar | He needs to be at least a little bit more like Kirk and fly around the galaxy looking for females (or anything like them) to flirt up |
| 04:59.58 | Nechckn | heheheh that was a cute nod to history, imnsho |
| 05:00.14 | Dagmar | Nechckn: I mean the episode where there's actually three of them on the ship and they do a pretty special dance number. |
| 05:00.34 | Dagmar | Way better than the Blue Jelly Room scene where they borrowed the cameramen from a porn studio |
| 05:00.42 | Nechckn | Porthos, was... sorta goofy. Were Archer an Admiral or something it would be believeable but not just some captain. |
| 05:01.24 | Dagmar | Seriously tho... "To combat this radiation, we'll have to take off our clothes and rub this blue jelly all over each other" |
| 05:01.26 | Dagmar | WTF. |
| 05:01.35 | WobWork | Dagmar: fan service =P |
| 05:01.35 | Nechckn | Mmmmmm |
| 05:01.37 | Dagmar | Porn movies _regularly_ come up with better plot devices |
| 05:01.56 | Dagmar | WobWork: "service" indeed. |
| 05:01.58 | Nechckn | Go First Officer, Go! |
| 05:02.06 | Jerub | Dagmar: are you serious about the porn cameraman? |
| 05:02.29 | Dagmar | Jerub: Go back and look at that scene closely. Now compare it to literally every other sequence in the entire series. |
| 05:02.39 | Jerub | Dagmar: okay, i've never seen it. |
| 05:02.49 | Dagmar | if they weren't porn cameramen they were trained by them. Nothing but close ups, zoom shots, and slow pans the whole way through |
| 05:02.50 | Jerub | Dagmar: is there bona fide nudity? |
| 05:02.53 | Nechckn | From what I remember, it was very much poro-ish. |
| 05:02.55 | Dagmar | jerub: sadly no |
| 05:03.00 | Jerub | damn. |
| 05:03.01 | Dagmar | In this I have more respect for pornographers |
| 05:03.10 | Nechckn | Like Red Shoe Diaries.. PornLight |
| 05:03.20 | Dagmar | Nechckn: exactly. |
| 05:03.31 | Dagmar | The way they shot things change _dramatically_ in that one scene |
| 05:03.55 | Dagmar | without nipples in the way, it was enough to draw my attention to the change in shooting |
| 05:05.47 | kdtresh | since when are nipples "in the way" ? |
| 05:10.38 | Dagmar | When they keep you from noticing a distinct and sudden something else |
| 05:10.48 | Dagmar | We have the internet. We can see nipples any time we want. |
| 05:11.19 | Shirik | rawr |
| 05:11.24 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 05:11.26 | Dagmar | We're no longer 14 and internetless, depending upon the carelessness of network TV censors for our nipple exposure |
| 05:12.01 | Dagmar | At least they didn't change the music. I expected a little bow-chicka-wow-ah |
| 05:12.42 | Nechckn | Now that would have made it truly memorable. |
| 05:13.13 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/TM1k6.jpg |
| 05:13.14 | Shirik | huggles Gryphon |
| 05:13.16 | Antiarc | I win \o/ |
| 05:13.18 | Gryphon | huggles Shirik |
| 05:13.42 | Nechckn | Who is using Shirik's computer |
| 05:13.51 | Nechckn | Since he is asleep and all... |
| 05:13.59 | Shirik | I am sleep typing |
| 05:14.21 | Nechckn | Take Amien == Eat Cigarette sandwiches and play on IRC |
| 05:14.30 | Nechckn | grr.. Ambien |
| 05:14.46 | amro | Antiarc: take the plunge! |
| 05:14.50 | Dagmar | Cigarette sandwiches? *looks a little pale* |
| 05:15.13 | Dagmar | I like the taste of my cigarettes, but not that much. |
| 05:15.14 | Nechckn | There were reports of people taking it sleep walking and doing totally crazy shit. |
| 05:15.46 | Dagmar | Including a senator, apparently |
| 05:15.48 | Nechckn | Not "simple" sleep walking but like driving and things like that - and waking the next morning with no recollection. |
| 05:15.59 | Dagmar | got pulled over by the cops for speeding, in his jammies |
| 05:16.00 | Nechckn | Well... that is different, imnsho. ;-) |
| 05:16.21 | Dagmar | Reportedly told the cops "I've got to get to the session!" at like 2:30am |
| 05:16.23 | Nechckn | thinks he may have been doing something else. |
| 05:16.42 | Nechckn | But, that is all just speculation |
| 05:16.50 | Nechckn | Yay, Internets! |
| 05:16.53 | Dagmar | No it was actually pretty well documented |
| 05:16.59 | Dagmar | ...and _hilarious_ |
| 05:17.23 | Nechckn | Oh.. I know, I was referring to there being other reasons |
| 05:17.26 | Nechckn | Not so legal |
| 05:17.29 | Dagmar | Politicians telling cops they have to get to their office to vote on something is not new. |
| 05:18.05 | Nechckn | Pfft... around here they would know that is total BS. Too used to the usual Congressional antics. |
| 05:18.14 | Dagmar | Doing it barefoot in their pyjamas, while looking a little wild-eyed and visibly snapping out of it and freaking out a bit about ten minutes later is another matter |
| 05:18.53 | Nechckn | I'm just wanting to see the dashboard cam footage =) |
| 05:19.03 | Dagmar | 'spesh with it being the middle of the night, weeks between sessions |
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| 05:19.51 | Dagmar | Not many people bring cotton pyjamas to see their mistresses, as far as I know |
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| 05:20.30 | Jerub | reads up |
| 05:20.58 | Jerub | oh, is Amien the same as Stillnox? |
| 05:21.05 | amro | Dagmar: 'twas an elaborate cover story |
| 05:21.08 | WobWork | pft there's no reason to not be comfortable when cheating on your wife =P |
| 05:21.10 | Dagmar | Ambien |
| 05:21.27 | Dagmar | Plus I've known people who were on it and seen some of the weird shit myself |
| 05:21.39 | amro | and a good one at that. I should write it donw |
| 05:22.32 | Dagmar | Jerub: Not the same as Stillnox, but prescribed for the same thing. Insomnia |
| 05:23.03 | Dagmar | ...although doing some googling I'm not certain they're not different names for the same thing |
| 05:23.07 | WobWork | I'm glad I've never had to take drugs to get to sleep =\ |
| 05:23.32 | Jerub | my wife took stillnox. |
| 05:23.37 | Jerub | she made the mistake of reading before bed. |
| 05:23.38 | Dagmar | Asian? |
| 05:23.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i just take alcohol... |
| 05:24.04 | Dagmar | Yeah, worst-case scenario for me is two Tylenol PM and some alcohol |
| 05:24.05 | WobWork | Jerub: why was that a mistake? |
| 05:24.09 | Jerub | she saw the world through both of her eyes independantly and the words on the page were floating around the room. |
| 05:24.16 | WobWork | awesome |
| 05:24.35 | Dagmar | hehe yeah I saw some comments about "trippy effects" but people say that about a lot of things |
| 05:24.37 | NightHawkTheSane | for me, about 3-4 greyhounds will do it |
| 05:24.51 | WobWork | you swallow greyhounds? |
| 05:25.06 | Dagmar | Hopefully not whole |
| 05:25.26 | Dagmar | I think I'd probably be done after just one medium-sized one |
| 05:25.38 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: its a drink |
| 05:26.33 | WobWork | sounds more like a stimulant than an depressant |
| 05:26.54 | WobWork | greyhounds are not known for their... lassitude |
| 05:27.26 | Nechckn | grayhounds are old school, move up to screwdrivers! |
| 05:27.30 | Dagmar | Probably depends upon the vodka you use |
| 05:28.39 | Nechckn | You could do them like lemon drops... drink shot of vodka, then sink your teeth into a yummy grapefruit |
| 05:28.40 | WobWork | grey goose? |
| 05:29.05 | Dagmar | Bleh. Just shoot it straight and the exhale flammable gasses like a real man |
| 05:29.15 | Dagmar | "Smooth.." |
| 05:29.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Nechckn: they're so tasty though |
| 05:29.38 | Antiarc | Sweet, tonight's Festergut parse puts me at #22 combat rogue on him worldwide :D |
| 05:30.01 | Dagmar | So how many rogues total had their info submitted there? |
| 05:30.12 | Antiarc | Many, many, many |
| 05:30.59 | Dagmar | At least 25 or so |
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| 05:35.39 | Nechckn | there you go |
| 05:35.50 | Nechckn | so, ask away, someone will help when they have a few |
| 05:35.51 | awweaver | o.0 |
| 05:36.06 | awweaver | Hola, people im trying to write my own addon... |
| 05:36.15 | awweaver | im in the learning process really... |
| 05:36.26 | DWSR | ~asktoask |
| 05:36.27 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 05:36.37 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 05:36.38 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 05:37.35 | Nechckn | If it is not working, and you have some code already, you can simply paste it into http://WoWUIDev.pastey.net and then return the link here, along with a description of what is/is not happening. If you are that far, that is. |
| 05:37.39 | awweaver | first thingi want to get working is the Slash commands...they just wont work..ive look at other addons even... |
| 05:39.02 | awweaver | Here it is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131748 |
| 05:39.12 | awweaver | that all the code... |
| 05:39.37 | awweaver | When i load wow it says it expects a "elseif" at line 97 |
| 05:40.53 | Arrowmaster | line 95, you are missing a ) |
| 05:40.59 | awweaver | ok |
| 05:41.49 | Arrowmaster | line 97, elseif (Cmd == "help" or "") then, you cannot do that you have to do (Cmd == "help" or Cmd == "") |
| 05:42.12 | Arrowmaster | another issue, what is Cmd, its not an argument being passed into that function |
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| 05:43.34 | awweaver | i meant for it to be the thing that gets passed in when a slash command is done |
| 05:43.52 | awweaver | ther i fixed it |
| 05:44.07 | Arrowmaster | you could either change Cmd to arg, or go upto line 93 and change arg to Cmd |
| 05:44.12 | awweaver | mountiful i have no idea why thats there... |
| 05:44.38 | awweaver | ive let this sit for awhile and only recently picked it back up... |
| 05:45.03 | awweaver | we must have different line numbers... |
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| 05:45.37 | Arrowmaster | im just going by whats in the pastey |
| 05:46.02 | awweaver | finally got rid of all the errors |
| 05:46.26 | awweaver | well form what shows up in the bottom of the wowuidesgner window |
| 05:48.07 | awweaver | sigh...neither slash commands work |
| 05:50.18 | Arrowmaster | is your OnLoad even being called? |
| 05:50.28 | awweaver | Shouls be... |
| 05:50.36 | Arrowmaster | you could move the slash command stuff out of OnLoad, it doesnt need to be there |
| 05:50.51 | Arrowmaster | just put it directly in the file and not in a function |
| 05:51.05 | awweaver | done |
| 05:51.27 | awweaver | and the this:Registerevent stuff? i do i need any mroe or less? |
| 05:51.43 | Arrowmaster | dont move the register event stuff |
| 05:51.46 | awweaver | I knwo i dont need the Money one... |
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| 05:52.03 | Arrowmaster | oh i think the names have to match up on the slash command stuff |
| 05:52.22 | Arrowmaster | SlashCmdList["JerkList"] should be SlashCmdList["JL"] |
| 05:52.52 | awweaver | ok done |
| 05:53.16 | Arrowmaster | oh and you are missing an 'end' |
| 05:53.28 | awweaver | where? |
| 05:53.33 | Arrowmaster | just put it right before the ; on that same line |
| 05:54.05 | awweaver | so this SlashCmdList["JL"] = function(arg) JerkList_Cmd(arg, false)end; |
| 05:54.07 | awweaver | ? |
| 05:54.11 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 05:54.29 | Arrowmaster | put a space before the end though |
| 05:54.32 | awweaver | it gives me an error for that "eof" expected |
| 05:55.22 | Arrowmaster | you have an extra end at the end of the file |
| 05:55.22 | awweaver | my bad nvm |
| 05:55.42 | awweaver | ok, back to no errors |
| 05:56.52 | awweaver | And thanks for Helping me with this, i think this addone will be great and very popular if i can ever get it ot work... |
| 05:57.42 | Nechckn | Arrowmaster is more than just window dressing! |
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| 05:58.23 | awweaver | And i will give him credit hes already helped me a bunch |
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| 06:01.06 | Bruners | i was so going to troll in this thread and then dolby locks it:( |
| 06:01.24 | Dolby | i didnt lock nothin |
| 06:01.43 | Bruners | someone did at least |
| 06:01.58 | awweaver | 0.o |
| 06:02.07 | Bruners | and since you where the last one to say anything i blame you! |
| 06:03.12 | Dolby | i blame Shirik |
| 06:03.24 | WobWork | whaaaaat US version of Dr Who? |
| 06:03.26 | WobWork | waaaaaaaaat |
| 06:03.31 | WobWork | !!!! |
| 06:03.54 | awweaver | Ok on the add function, what do i do to separte the /jl add from the argument.... |
| 06:04.46 | awweaver | like say /jl add awweaver what do i do to break the "awweaver" from the string... |
| 06:04.56 | awweaver | If this was java this would be so much easier... |
| 06:05.48 | Arrowmaster | youll have to do some pattern matching |
| 06:06.05 | awweaver | sigh... |
| 06:06.36 | Arrowmaster | i see you have a 'local Jerklist = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon("Jerklist", "AceHook-3.0", "AceTimer-3.0")' line but arent really using it anywhere yet |
| 06:07.02 | Arrowmaster | AceConsole-3.0 could handle all the slash command stuff for you |
| 06:07.03 | awweaver | Ok...hmm ill comment it out.. |
| 06:07.37 | awweaver | Im still confused on what all that stuff is... |
| 06:08.05 | WobWork | also, Americanised Torchwood? |
| 06:08.07 | WobWork | wtf? |
| 06:08.11 | Jerub | tee hee. |
| 06:08.16 | Arrowmaster | WobWork: what? |
| 06:08.16 | WobWork | Poor Captain Jack will be NEUTERED |
| 06:08.18 | Jerub | "americans want to ruin bcc tv show" |
| 06:08.24 | WobWork | http://www.thrfeed.com/fox-readying-.html |
| 06:08.27 | Jerub | news at 11. |
| 06:08.27 | awweaver | Ok so AceConsole-3.0 how do i put it? |
| 06:08.36 | Nechckn | WobWork Because they'll make them all totally straight and idiotic |
| 06:09.02 | WobWork | The whole of Capt. Jack Harkness' character is that he's shamelessly trysexual |
| 06:09.12 | Nechckn | Not anymore, baby. |
| 06:09.15 | Nechckn | =) |
| 06:09.24 | WobWork | and America cannot deal with that level of sexuality =P |
| 06:09.30 | Nechckn | 'zactly |
| 06:09.46 | Dagmar | America will deal with it and America will LIKE it or there will be screaming |
| 06:09.47 | awweaver | and if i have to i can take out the titan panel stuff i just want to support it at some point... |
| 06:10.19 | Dagmar | It's time to tell the homophobes out there to STFU or go back to watching their Lives Of The Rich and Breastless |
| 06:10.35 | awweaver | ... |
| 06:10.39 | Arrowmaster | awweaver: take it all out and use LDB instead |
| 06:10.44 | Nechckn | Dagmar Nah, more like whatever the reality crap is of the moment. |
| 06:10.56 | Nechckn | "reality" Ahhahahahha |
| 06:11.06 | WobWork | Whatsisface and Kate and Baby Make Eight |
| 06:11.08 | Dagmar | Too right |
| 06:11.12 | awweaver | IM still confused... |
| 06:11.22 | awweaver | sry...Trying to learn |
| 06:11.23 | WobWork | Or the new Octomom miniseries |
| 06:11.26 | Dagmar | They're flat out coached. They had tryouts for some nonsense country music reality show here |
| 06:11.34 | WobWork | of which I'm sure is going to be filmed if it hasn't already |
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| 06:12.04 | Nechckn | awweaver take out the things you don't need right now, then go from there. |
| 06:12.06 | Dagmar | "Crazy Bitch +14 Adventures Extreme! Now on FOX!" |
| 06:12.18 | awweaver | Ahh, yes that makes sense |
| 06:12.22 | Nechckn | That's what I would suggest - it'll make it much cleaner and easier for now |
| 06:12.41 | awweaver | ill just comment out what im not going to use right now |
| 06:12.41 | Nechckn | Then, as you learn more or want more goodies, add 'em. |
| 06:14.45 | awweaver | weird i comment out a whole function and it says unexpected symbol |
| 06:16.04 | awweaver | ok i figured it out to do block comments its --[[ and at the end ]]-- |
| 06:16.48 | awweaver | whats this ? "local _G = getfenv(0);" |
| 06:17.01 | awweaver | do i need it? |
| 06:17.07 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:17.43 | awweaver | and od i need any of these? |
| 06:17.45 | awweaver | --Variables |
| 06:17.45 | awweaver | local JERKLIST_INITIALIZED = false; |
| 06:17.45 | awweaver | local JERKLIST_VARIABLES_LOADED = false; |
| 06:17.45 | awweaver | local JERKLIST_ENTERINGWORLD = false; |
| 06:17.45 | awweaver | local JERKLIST_INDEX = ""; |
| 06:17.47 | awweaver | local JERKLIST_COLOR; |
| 06:17.49 | awweaver | local JERKLIST_SESS_STATUS; |
| 06:17.52 | amro | wow stop |
| 06:17.56 | awweaver | sorry |
| 06:17.58 | amro | use a pastebin |
| 06:18.07 | Arrowmaster | why do you have them if you dont know? |
| 06:18.12 | awweaver | Didnt mean to... |
| 06:18.15 | Arrowmaster | you should have started from a blank file |
| 06:18.19 | awweaver | Im not sure.. |
| 06:19.05 | Dagmar | let me guess... You left the editor open and when you woke up in the morning, little cobbler gnomes who've been put out of work by the Chinese kids working at the Reebok factory had written those lines for you? |
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| 06:19.23 | Dagmar | (okay, so *I* thought it was an entertaining image) |
| 06:19.31 | awweaver | Yes... |
| 06:20.17 | awweaver | Gnome Punting! sadly theres an addon that enables u to do this in wow.... |
| 06:23.01 | awweaver | Ok, so the truth is my dad wrote an addon(TitanCurrency) and i just took his addon copied his code and delete most of what i knew i didnt need, but the variables i wastn sure about so... |
| 06:23.10 | Dagmar | Ah okay |
| 06:23.31 | Dagmar | Yeah the point of asking that was figuring out what was going through your head, and correcting that |
| 06:23.47 | Dagmar | "not your head" is ample explanation |
| 06:24.00 | Dagmar | ...and totally fine |
| 06:24.22 | Dagmar | It is a bunch of stuff you don't need to do tho, so definitely start with an empty file |
| 06:24.50 | awweaver | and so what variables do i need or dont need form http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131749' |
| 06:24.54 | awweaver | oops |
| 06:24.56 | awweaver | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131749 |
| 06:25.03 | Arrowmaster | you dont need any until you have a need for them |
| 06:25.29 | awweaver | ok so get rid of all those variables? |
| 06:25.31 | Dagmar | ~Arrowmaster++ |
| 06:25.34 | Arrowmaster | i dont think those were ever even needed in the original addon |
| 06:26.04 | awweaver | He put them in there....and i just left them i didnt know if i needed them... |
| 06:26.37 | awweaver | the only variable i have now is the array "local JLIgnoreList = {}" |
| 06:26.55 | WobWork | awweaver: quite simply, if you don't understand what it does, you don't need it. |
| 06:27.04 | awweaver | ok! |
| 06:27.40 | awweaver | brb getting drink |
| 06:27.47 | WobWork | and if it suddenly stops working, you need to find out and understand what you removed does |
| 06:28.07 | Nechckn | Drink? Pina colada? |
| 06:28.20 | WobWork | I like pina colada |
| 06:28.36 | Nechckn | I can handle something like that every once in a while. |
| 06:28.41 | WobWork | and getting caught in the rain |
| 06:28.43 | Nechckn | Like a fun milkshake =) |
| 06:28.50 | Nechckn | LOL, dork! |
| 06:29.20 | WobWork | I'm not into yoga |
| 06:29.23 | WobWork | and I have half a brain! |
| 06:29.53 | Nechckn | Now I shall have that playing over and over in my tiny head. |
| 06:30.08 | WobWork | and that's a win for Jimmy |
| 06:30.33 | awweaver | Ok i think i got it all gone... |
| 06:31.25 | awweaver | reloadinui lets hope this works |
| 06:32.04 | awweaver | now we are getting somewhere |
| 06:32.39 | Nechckn | what are you drinking? |
| 06:32.46 | Nechckn | And are you willing to shar? |
| 06:32.47 | awweaver | this is the rror that popped up "line 69: |
| 06:32.48 | awweaver | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.23 | Arrowmaster | you removed the local L line |
| 06:33.37 | Arrowmaster | although what you originally had shouldnt have been their either |
| 06:33.48 | awweaver | i found it, and hopefully fixed it |
| 06:34.23 | awweaver | so the line is wrong? |
| 06:34.45 | Arrowmaster | local L = LibStub("AceLocale-3.0"):GetLocale("Titan", true) |
| 06:35.09 | Arrowmaster | i highly doubt you wanted to be using the locales from 'Titan' |
| 06:35.10 | awweaver | It displayed the text it was supposed to |
| 06:35.17 | awweaver | Yea i dont need titan... |
| 06:35.44 | awweaver | Ok, what loacale do i need? |
| 06:35.56 | awweaver | if at all |
| 06:36.02 | Arrowmaster | you would want to use a unique name |
| 06:36.10 | awweaver | JL? |
| 06:36.13 | Arrowmaster | like your "JerkList" one |
| 06:37.02 | awweaver | Ok, relaoding |
| 06:38.27 | awweaver | sigh, no text this time but an error "line 69: |
| 06:38.27 | awweaver | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.14 | awweaver | the thing that tells it what ot display |
| 06:39.34 | Arrowmaster | maybe you shouldnt even be using localizations, just remove the L[] around the strings |
| 06:39.37 | Nechckn | Just saw a shaman - Shocolat thought it was actually rather inventive. |
| 06:40.41 | awweaver | trying again |
| 06:41.32 | awweaver | Yes!! no errors, and it displayed the text i wanted |
| 06:41.44 | awweaver | sadly, at this time thats all that works |
| 06:43.45 | WobWork | Nechckn: I like it |
| 06:44.22 | WobWork | however if it was a tauren, MilkShocolat would have been better =P |
| 06:45.04 | WobWork | hm, there's a doghouse in that alliance npc town NW of southshore, isn't there? |
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| 06:48.54 | awweaver | Horde FTW |
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| 06:50.35 | Nechckn | It was an Orc, but that would be awesome, WobWork |
| 06:51.02 | Nechckn | There is a dog there... not sure about a house, though. |
| 06:53.05 | awweaver | Thank Arrowmaster you helped more than you know... |
| 06:55.09 | awweaver | Whats a simple for loop look like in lua? i have for i=0, do is there anymore? |
| 06:55.45 | Arrowmaster | for i = 1, 10 do |
| 06:55.47 | Arrowmaster | end |
| 06:55.58 | Arrowmaster | would go from 1 to 10 |
| 06:56.01 | awweaver | ahh, so 10 says stop at 10..ok |
| 06:56.20 | Arrowmaster | ~pil |
| 06:56.21 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 06:57.13 | Arrowmaster | that online edition covers all the basics and even some not so basics |
| 06:57.16 | awweaver | thanks |
| 06:58.45 | awweaver | ok i got the remove function working now to test it i need to get the add one going and list... |
| 06:59.53 | awweaver | ok, one more question about why stuff is there....the self paramter what is/what does it do? |
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| 07:01.46 | Arrowmaster | its for when you got functions like addon:func() |
| 07:01.59 | Arrowmaster | inside the function it referres to the addon object |
| 07:02.23 | awweaver | Ok so does every function need it? |
| 07:02.27 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 07:02.58 | Arrowmaster | its automatic when youve got functions using : |
| 07:03.09 | awweaver | :? |
| 07:03.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah like function addon:func() end |
| 07:03.35 | awweaver | ok |
| 07:03.57 | awweaver | and the event parameter when and where do i need that/' |
| 07:03.59 | awweaver | ? |
| 07:04.14 | DWSR | awweaver: If you want to do something based on the event that was fired. |
| 07:04.28 | awweaver | Ok, that makes total sense |
| 07:04.41 | DWSR | event parameters are things like who said a message, what type of message was sent. |
| 07:05.41 | DWSR | awweaver: there's documentation on all of this stuff |
| 07:06.08 | awweaver | Yea, i have just neglected to read it |
| 07:06.26 | DWSR | guess you should, then, shouldn't you? :P |
| 07:06.38 | awweaver | maybe >.> |
| 07:06.42 | Dagmar | It's kind of bland but very nutritional |
| 07:07.09 | Dagmar | er nutritious |
| 07:07.21 | DWSR | nutritional works. |
| 07:07.44 | awweaver | ok, the list function now done... |
| 07:08.50 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1584 |
| 07:08.52 | Adys | panel 4 = win |
| 07:08.59 | awweaver | ? |
| 07:09.09 | Dagmar | I still like the penny arcade edit from this afternoon |
| 07:09.57 | DWSR | lol |
| 07:10.14 | awweaver | wishes i could i could find a good radio station online where the music had no words.... |
| 07:10.26 | Dagmar | soma.fm |
| 07:10.30 | DWSR | awweaver: soma |
| 07:10.30 | Jerub | soma.fm |
| 07:10.33 | awweaver | what kind of music? |
| 07:10.33 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 07:10.43 | Dagmar | Trance, psytrance, house, more trance |
| 07:10.57 | WobWork | Adys: China Mieville? =) |
| 07:11.04 | Dagmar | One of them even has some not-so-subliminal suggestions thrown in |
| 07:11.24 | Dagmar | DroneZone occasionally plays "SLEEP." in the stream |
| 07:11.55 | DWSR | Dagmar: lol, haven't heard that |
| 07:12.41 | Arrowmaster | ill have to remember that site, although i actually prefer vocal trance and euro dance |
| 07:12.42 | Dagmar | It'll happen like 3-4 times a night |
| 07:12.49 | Recluse | what's the equivalent to sizeof() for a Lua table? |
| 07:12.56 | Arrowmaster | #t |
| 07:13.04 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Eurotrash? :P |
| 07:13.04 | Arrowmaster | only for arrays |
| 07:13.06 | Recluse | oh yeah! >.< |
| 07:13.31 | Dagmar | dwsr: Being insomniac more than a couple of times I've wound up just listening to the stream for 8 hours |
| 07:13.50 | DWSR | Dagmar: I usually listen to the Global DJ Broadcast |
| 07:14.14 | DWSR | Markus Schulz' voice is fucking annoying, but the music is really good. |
| 07:14.15 | Dagmar | I kinda like their new stream with the NASA bits mixed in |
| 07:15.32 | DWSR | meh, I have 17k songs worth of music on my laptop |
| 07:15.47 | Dagmar | So you laptop can what, beep four times? |
| 07:16.01 | DWSR | lol |
| 07:16.10 | Dagmar | ...or do you mean 17,000 songs |
| 07:16.15 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 07:16.22 | Dagmar | Ah okay, that makes a bit more sense |
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| 07:16.38 | DWSR | 17k LOL |
| 07:16.46 | DWSR | I can fit the Legend of Zelda theme in MIDI. |
| 07:16.59 | awweaver | You can what? |
| 07:17.14 | Dagmar | Hey I've known people who downsampled a clone of their entire library at 128k because well, _laptop speakers_, but 17 kilobytes does seem a bit scroogy |
| 07:17.17 | DWSR | I can fit the Legend of Zelda theme in MIDI into 17kB worth of space. |
| 07:17.25 | DWSR | Dagmar: I use FLAC. |
| 07:17.33 | Dagmar | So it would beep twice then |
| 07:17.37 | DWSR | lol |
| 07:17.47 | DWSR | Really high quality beeps though |
| 07:18.14 | awweaver | that reminds me of a song...let me find it |
| 07:18.51 | WobWork | awweaver: is it Popcorn? |
| 07:19.00 | awweaver | Its very slow at first but its funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1c4QZGQw5o |
| 07:20.16 | DWSR | That's not a song. |
| 07:20.27 | awweaver | its not? |
| 07:20.37 | DWSR | no |
| 07:20.41 | awweaver | just listen to it, its funny as hell |
| 07:20.41 | DWSR | It's melodic poety. |
| 07:20.43 | DWSR | poetry* |
| 07:20.45 | DWSR | Yeah, it is. |
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| 07:25.27 | WobWork | reminds me of Cows With Guns |
| 07:26.09 | WobWork | and to a lesser extent...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGzhutyOMSk |
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| 07:29.06 | Dagmar | Tangental to that, can Tauren be hunters? |
| 07:29.14 | awweaver | Yes |
| 07:29.24 | awweaver | I have one... |
| 07:29.27 | Dagmar | Ahhhh. :) |
| 07:29.44 | Dagmar | I might reroll that on that PvP server my coworkers are on then |
| 07:29.46 | awweaver | Tirene is his name....hes 28 |
| 07:30.19 | Jerub | I was upset last night |
| 07:30.24 | Dagmar | There's advantages to being roughly the size of a shrubbery, but I could seriously deal with being able to say "I GOT YER CHEEZBURGER RITE HEER BUDDY" |
| 07:30.24 | Jerub | I didn't realise that taurens can't be rogues. |
| 07:30.29 | Jerub | I wanted to make Wheresmycow |
| 07:30.37 | Dagmar | Jerub: There's little that is subtle about a giant bull |
| 07:30.48 | Jerub | Dagmar: what about an orc?! |
| 07:31.10 | Dagmar | They're roughly human-sized? |
| 07:31.35 | Dagmar | A seven foot cow walks into the room tho', and you're going to notice |
| 07:32.36 | Dagmar | The only way to get away with that would probably be to paint yourself pink. |
| 07:32.45 | krka | Tauren height: 7' 2" - 9' (218 to 274 cm) (male), |
| 07:32.52 | awweaver | .... |
| 07:32.56 | nevcairiel | You would notice a green guy with a neck like a bull, too |
| 07:32.57 | Dagmar | You could walk right into Ironforge and most of the dwarves would be trying to pretend they're not hallucinating you. |
| 07:33.28 | awweaver | Yea u try walking into IF....go ahead ill be waiting |
| 07:33.30 | Dagmar | Also hooves... not quiet. |
| 07:33.46 | Dagmar | awweaver: Actually, I have a special policy about Ironforge. |
| 07:33.54 | Dagmar | Screw with the king and I will cap you. |
| 07:34.09 | awweaver | I dont play alliance so... |
| 07:34.12 | Dagmar | Anyone not going that way is *probably* headed for the little fishing pool. |
| 07:34.25 | Dagmar | There's nothing worse I could do to them than let them fish. |
| 07:34.27 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: but the gnome is fair game right? |
| 07:34.44 | awweaver | Gnomes are always fair game |
| 07:34.58 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: If a gnome falls in the forest, and no one is around to hear him, does he even make a squaek? |
| 07:35.00 | nevcairiel | arent they finally moving out with cata anyway |
| 07:35.14 | WobWork | sob |
| 07:35.19 | WobWork | I wanted a tauren rogue =( |
| 07:35.22 | WobWork | SNEAK SNEAK SNEAK SNEAK |
| 07:35.27 | awweaver | The alliance should be taken out of the game... |
| 07:35.28 | Dagmar | They'll probably let you have them in Cata |
| 07:35.40 | nevcairiel | i dont think it was on the class matrix |
| 07:36.00 | Dagmar | Nah they should allow it and give you a penalty to sneak |
| 07:36.01 | nevcairiel | but i'm not sure anymore, been some time since blizzcon |
| 07:36.02 | Balreign | you'll have a tauren paladin... |
| 07:36.02 | Dagmar | Some people would still do it |
| 07:36.14 | Dagmar | Oh yes, a bull in platemail |
| 07:36.19 | Dagmar | That can heal. |
| 07:36.22 | Dagmar | *shudder* |
| 07:36.57 | awweaver | and tank... |
| 07:37.03 | awweaver | I have a taurent DK... |
| 07:37.17 | Dagmar | Heck I think I might actually roll a rogue like that for the perversity |
| 07:38.07 | nevcairiel | yeah tauren can already be DKs .. warriors too? well you have them in plate, anyway |
| 07:38.10 | Balreign | well I have a tauren shaman, a tauren warrior, a tauren hunter, and a tauren druid. |
| 07:38.23 | NeoTron | hmm. is there an addon that notifies me when I'm in combat and my pet doesn't have a target? Was hoping to use power auras but doesn't seem like it supports that |
| 07:38.47 | nevcairiel | I like taurens like they were supposed to be, medium :) |
| 07:39.02 | Dagmar | ROFL |
| 07:39.05 | DWSR | NeoTron: It ought to. |
| 07:39.15 | DWSR | NeoTron: However, just enable your pet target frame. |
| 07:39.23 | NeoTron | I keep forgetting to make a passive pet attack and it's annoying to lose 3000 dps or so |
| 07:39.29 | DWSR | I'm assuming you're using custom UF. |
| 07:39.42 | DWSR | NeoTron: Your pet should be on defensive for raids. |
| 07:40.10 | NeoTron | if not perhaps I need to make one |
| 07:41.55 | awweaver | If u press "CRTL + 1 it tells your pet to attack what your attacking... |
| 07:42.08 | nevcairiel | but you have to remember |
| 07:42.23 | awweaver | not really that hard to remember that |
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| 07:42.40 | nevcairiel | but that was his problem, that he forgets :P |
| 07:42.50 | NeoTron | I don't really care what you think really |
| 07:42.57 | NeoTron | I forget thus I have a need :P |
| 07:42.57 | awweaver | get a remembral |
| 07:44.21 | NeoTron | That's what I want. :P |
| 07:44.27 | NeoTron | just in the shape of an addon |
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| 07:47.22 | Adys | http://failblog.org/2010/01/20/rickrolld-win/ |
| 07:47.23 | Adys | "Could be" |
| 07:48.38 | awweaver | My addon in zipped form is a whole 3kb... |
| 07:51.09 | DWSR | I'm pretty sure that the zip headers are like 2kb |
| 07:51.49 | awweaver | Just from what windows says the files size is |
| 07:52.01 | Adys | DWSR: what? |
| 07:52.13 | Adys | zip headers? |
| 07:52.17 | Adys | you know what 2kb represents, right |
| 07:52.25 | Dagmar | One inode |
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| 07:53.17 | DWSR | Adys: Yes, but there's headers in a zip file. |
| 07:53.34 | DWSR | Shit like compression dictionary. |
| 07:53.51 | Adys | two kilobytes |
| 07:54.03 | Adys | thats a fuckload even for a dictionary |
| 07:54.17 | Adys | my biggest source file on the mmoc db is 3kb |
| 07:54.39 | Adys | and the zip headers, a compression format, are definitely not 2kb |
| 07:54.54 | Adys | try 120 bytes, top |
| 07:55.08 | nevcairiel | depends on the size of the data, tbh |
| 07:55.16 | nevcairiel | but with a total 3kb file, why would there be a 2kb dict |
| 07:55.19 | Adys | obviously, but the header cant be bigger than a file |
| 07:55.26 | Adys | the* |
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| 07:56.44 | awweaver | Ok, well ive worked on this enough for tonight, thanks guys and see ya tromarrow |
| 07:57.17 | krka | i just zipped a single 0 byte file, the zip file was 164 byte |
| 07:57.23 | krka | 2kb headers seems a bit off |
| 07:57.29 | Adys | "a bit" |
| 07:57.35 | krka | though i used no compression, just store |
| 07:58.30 | Adys | more like 15 thousand bits. |
| 07:58.37 | krka | weird, the filename appears twice in the zip file |
| 07:58.51 | zenzio | "A full 44 percent of visitors to Google News scan headlines without accessing newspapers' individual sites" <-- so they use Google News just like they would ordinary news websites, zomg |
| 07:59.06 | Arrowmaster | because zip is a horrible format |
| 07:59.21 | krka | i wouldn't call it horrible |
| 07:59.24 | nevcairiel | a 7z of a 0byte is 110 .. a zip is 140 for me .. interesting =P |
| 07:59.35 | Arrowmaster | tar then gzip a 0 byte file |
| 07:59.50 | DWSR | Is it *gasp* 0 bytes? |
| 07:59.52 | zenzio | RAR! UHA! ARJ! |
| 08:00.04 | nevcairiel | the pure tar file is 1.5kb |
| 08:00.08 | nevcairiel | now thats horrible |
| 08:00.12 | Arrowmaster | although for a single file you could just gzip it and forget the tar |
| 08:00.15 | nevcairiel | from a freaking 0 byte :P |
| 08:00.22 | Arrowmaster | it shouldnt be that large |
| 08:00.31 | krka | my tar file is 10k for a 0 byte file |
| 08:00.33 | olafski | you can choose the dictionary size usually can't you? |
| 08:00.41 | Adys | uh |
| 08:00.45 | zenzio | in which format olafski ? |
| 08:00.46 | olafski | or was that with rar |
| 08:00.51 | nevcairiel | although gziped it goes back down to 116byte |
| 08:00.53 | zenzio | RAR and ACE I think |
| 08:00.54 | Adys | my tar file is 60 bytes for a 0byte file. |
| 08:01.02 | krka | really? weird |
| 08:01.07 | olafski | winrar allows me to choose the dict size yeh |
| 08:01.11 | krka | i used "tar -cf tmp.tar tmp.txt" |
| 08:01.14 | krka | where tmp.txt is 0 byte |
| 08:01.15 | nevcairiel | rar is an evil format |
| 08:01.19 | olafski | seems I have it set to 4096kb on default oO |
| 08:01.33 | Dagmar | Tar isn't compressing. |
| 08:01.34 | olafski | but I guess that's a maximum |
| 08:01.50 | Dagmar | Tar doesn't compress. |
| 08:01.54 | Arrowmaster | right, tar is just a way of putting multiple files into a single file |
| 08:02.00 | nevcairiel | use 7z or bz2 or lzma .. but not rar! :P |
| 08:02.00 | Adys | krka: yeah i get 10kb here too |
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| 08:02.16 | Adys | lzma wins |
| 08:02.18 | olafski | I like rar |
| 08:02.23 | zenzio | PARs nevcairiel |
| 08:02.28 | nevcairiel | rar is a stupid prop format |
| 08:02.39 | nevcairiel | need to install non-free software to properly unpack it |
| 08:02.47 | olafski | dunno what a prop format is.. but it compresses and puts stuff in a single file, so I'm cool with it |
| 08:02.54 | zenzio | proprietary |
| 08:02.55 | olafski | ah.. now I get prop at least :P |
| 08:03.08 | Arrowmaster | except it doesnt do it very well compared to other formats |
| 08:03.28 | nevcairiel | i just noticed that lzma is 7z .. way to be oblivous all the time |
| 08:03.30 | olafski | care ,) |
| 08:03.34 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 08:03.44 | olafski | I'm sure there's a reason "scene groups" use rar |
| 08:03.51 | zenzio | we should all use CAB |
| 08:03.52 | olafski | not that I have anything to do with that reason, but I use rar for my own stuff too |
| 08:03.52 | krka | zomg, jar-files are really similar to zip-files |
| 08:03.58 | olafski | krka: really!? |
| 08:03.59 | Dagmar | 7zip can do pretty much everything that matters, and anything that starts to matter, it'll soon do. |
| 08:04.05 | Arrowmaster | not quite, there is an lzma compression thats different than 7z |
| 08:04.06 | olafski | madness! |
| 08:04.15 | Arrowmaster | well same compression, different file formats |
| 08:04.24 | Adys | 7z uses lzma |
| 08:04.27 | krka | olafski: scene groups are mostly retarded tbh |
| 08:04.29 | Adys | not the other way around |
| 08:04.38 | krka | rar files inside torrents <-- fail |
| 08:04.39 | Bruners | 1680x1050 is that 16:9 or 16:10 ? |
| 08:04.40 | nevcairiel | the reference implementation of lzma is described in the 7z format, tbh :P |
| 08:04.47 | Dagmar | Bruners: 16:10 |
| 08:04.48 | olafski | krka: yes.. they are :) but why do they use rar when apparently other compressions are better? |
| 08:04.49 | nevcairiel | Bruners: 16:10 |
| 08:04.54 | olafski | krka: scene groups generally don't use torrents.. :P |
| 08:05.10 | krka | they should |
| 08:05.12 | zenzio | here, use this torrent to download out 128k demo |
| 08:05.16 | zenzio | *our |
| 08:05.16 | Bruners | the scene DO NOT use torrents at all |
| 08:05.24 | olafski | they use ftp (or fxp), torrents are used when their stuff is leaked :P |
| 08:05.29 | Adys | Bruners: hint, strip the two trailing digits :P |
| 08:05.36 | Arrowmaster | they also use usenet |
| 08:05.37 | krka | scene groups use rars to split into multiple files and to verify integrity |
| 08:05.47 | krka | when was the last time integrity was a problem? |
| 08:05.47 | Arrowmaster | which is where the multiple rars started |
| 08:05.48 | krka | 1998? |
| 08:05.53 | olafski | they don't use usenet either.. but yeah |
| 08:05.57 | Dagmar | krka: Any time they're posted to USENET. |
| 08:05.57 | Arrowmaster | they did |
| 08:06.01 | olafski | krka: I've seen it happen recently :) |
| 08:06.11 | Dagmar | That and floppy disks are the reasons they've done things that way |
| 08:06.11 | krka | just use good transfer methods |
| 08:06.14 | Arrowmaster | actually im fairly certain they still do |
| 08:06.23 | olafski | that'll be hard to prove then ,) |
| 08:06.41 | zenzio | people use RARs so they can upload all 157 pieces to Rapidshare |
| 08:06.48 | Bruners | splitting files up in rars is a good way to not download 26GiB once again just because one file broke |
| 08:06.57 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 08:07.12 | Adys | no, it's a shitty way to achieve that |
| 08:07.12 | Dagmar | USENET was *supposed* to be reliable, but stuff happens |
| 08:07.12 | Arrowmaster | except you can do that with many other, better, formats |
| 08:07.16 | krka | Bruners: due to inferior transfer strategy |
| 08:07.29 | Dagmar | Files get corrupted due to server crashes |
| 08:07.47 | Dagmar | Plus if you're moving them around, twenty are as easy to move as one |
| 08:07.51 | Arrowmaster | files get corrupted due to cosmic radiation |
| 08:07.51 | Adys | you can resume downloads, torrents are progression-agnostic, etc etc |
| 08:08.09 | Adys | twenty is as easy to move as one? |
| 08:08.10 | Dagmar | I won't say it's "tradition" but it's definitely habit |
| 08:08.15 | Bruners | Arrowmaster: obviously there are other formats, but once they have a standard that works and everyone follows its kinda meh to try changing it |
| 08:08.22 | nevcairiel | I hate people that put the rars up in torrents .. torrents do their own integrity checking :P |
| 08:08.34 | nevcairiel | just unpack it ffs |
| 08:08.40 | olafski | nevcairiel: that's because people leak scene releases and don't bother to unpack them first :P |
| 08:08.40 | Dagmar | Adys: Yes. |
| 08:08.47 | olafski | besides, the rars are probably still smaller than the iso |
| 08:08.52 | Arrowmaster | Bruners: exactly, the fuckers were trying to use xvid for HD rips for a while since it was 'the standard' |
| 08:08.55 | Bruners | Adys: torrents relies on several peers, the scene boys are one guy to another guy |
| 08:09.02 | nevcairiel | the good "private" torrent pages don't allow rar'ed torrents, so i'm not really that often bothered with it |
| 08:09.20 | Adys | its not only that |
| 08:09.30 | Adys | with torrents you can selectively download files |
| 08:09.37 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 08:09.41 | Bruners | and you can't do that with FTP ? |
| 08:09.50 | Adys | you cant do that within a bloody rar |
| 08:09.53 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 08:09.57 | Dagmar | Right that right there would just boggle the mind of the hardcore pirate |
| 08:09.59 | olafski | you can, but that's a reason to use rars on torrents tbh |
| 08:10.00 | Adys | you could.. if you had already downloaded it. |
| 08:10.10 | DWSR | olafski: What is it? |
| 08:10.11 | krka | you can use torrents between two persons too |
| 08:10.12 | Dagmar | The very idea of not getting the ENTIRE something is just insanity itself |
| 08:10.18 | Arrowmaster | the only time ive actually be happy that a torrent had multiple rar files in it was when i got something off usenet but a few of the rars were gone by the time i got it |
| 08:10.21 | Adys | why the fuck not? |
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| 08:10.42 | Adys | if you're transferring files you may not want half of them |
| 08:10.44 | Dagmar | Adys: Because the kind of pirate who ships data *out* to other people, does not take chances with random data corruption |
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| 08:10.46 | olafski | dwsr: considering these rars generally contain just one iso, there would be little point unpacking it.. if you have already gotten some of the rars somewhere else and you only need a couple, but some douche put them on a torrent unpacked it's useless |
| 08:10.50 | Dagmar | Like none, zero, nada |
| 08:10.52 | Adys | wow what? |
| 08:10.52 | Bruners | follow the scene rules or get shot! |
| 08:10.56 | Dagmar | You lose face if you ship out broken files |
| 08:11.06 | Adys | irrelevant |
| 08:11.12 | Dagmar | Not irrelevant |
| 08:11.13 | Adys | torrents have integrity check on a file-by-file basis |
| 08:11.17 | Adys | yes, irrelevant |
| 08:11.22 | Adys | hell |
| 08:11.24 | olafski | and an overhead that ftp doesn't have |
| 08:11.29 | Dagmar | At least we now know you're not likeyl to have ever been hooked up with any traders |
| 08:11.30 | Adys | torrents have integrity check on a block by block basis... |
| 08:11.41 | krka | that overhead is small compared to a big iso file |
| 08:11.43 | Bruners | unpacking a scene release and putting it up in a torrent again is retarded |
| 08:11.45 | Dagmar | That's a good thing, by the way |
| 08:11.58 | krka | Bruners: no it's not |
| 08:12.06 | nevcairiel | Bruners: private torrent pages do that, fwiw |
| 08:12.07 | Dagmar | Adys: Yes and outside of the torrent, the quality of your data is now an unknown |
| 08:12.09 | olafski | good thing more people agree with bruners than with you in this case krka :P |
| 08:12.09 | krka | people want the actual content, not 50 rar files that have to unpack |
| 08:12.16 | Bruners | krka: since you don't undertand this you are oviously a retard :D |
| 08:12.28 | Bruners | nevcairiel: not the ones i'm on |
| 08:12.29 | Dagmar | This is why a bunch of rar's that can be inspected without connecting to the tracker or anything else would be considered superior by a scene pirate |
| 08:12.33 | nevcairiel | bad ones, then! |
| 08:12.35 | DWSR | olafski: Holy edge case. |
| 08:12.36 | Bruners | not that i'm a pirate |
| 08:12.36 | olafski | not mine either bruners ;) |
| 08:12.48 | krka | you don't need a tracker to verify a torrent |
| 08:12.49 | Arrowmaster | people want the content so they can use it and not have to use twice as much harddrive space just to be able to use it and continue seeding the torrent |
| 08:12.52 | krka | just the .torrent-file |
| 08:12.53 | Grum | why unpack rars? waste of disk-io! |
| 08:12.53 | DWSR | olafski: If you're snatching part of multi-rar torrent, you're a retread. |
| 08:12.54 | krka | l2torrent |
| 08:12.54 | olafski | dwsr: how many torrents contain rars with many tiny files in them? I sure haven't seen them |
| 08:12.54 | Dagmar | Users want the content. Scene pirates want the data integrity |
| 08:13.00 | nevcairiel | tell me one real advantage of having the rars in the torrent |
| 08:13.01 | Adys | idd Arrowmaster |
| 08:13.19 | nevcairiel | all the reasons it was initially split are gone over torrent |
| 08:13.20 | Grum | nevcairiel: so you can share it with your scene buddies! |
| 08:13.32 | nevcairiel | Grum: just give em the torrent :P |
| 08:13.45 | Grum | to 'scene buddies' .. well .. they are ex-scene-buddies then :P |
| 08:13.46 | Dagmar | These guys aren't just lobbing something at a torrent tracker and calling it a day |
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| 08:13.49 | Bruners | nevcairiel: i can seed the same files on a different tracker that has scene releases |
| 08:13.59 | Dagmar | Their plan is to immediately ship those files directly to as many people as far off as they can |
| 08:14.10 | nevcairiel | why would you download from your private tracker and then seed on a different one? |
| 08:14.10 | Grum | actually .. not really |
| 08:14.11 | Dagmar | It's how you gain cred as a scene pirate |
| 08:14.19 | Grum | scene only cares for the speed of the release |
| 08:14.19 | Bruners | nevcairiel: to share ? |
| 08:14.21 | Dagmar | ...by having the zero-day, *immediately* and *verifiably* |
| 08:14.21 | krka | Bruners: that's just a compatibility reason, not a reason to keep rars in the first place |
| 08:14.26 | Grum | after the first pre .. they don't care |
| 08:14.29 | nevcairiel | why would you share? |
| 08:14.30 | Bruners | i have all my rars intact |
| 08:14.38 | Bruners | nevcairiel: i care |
| 08:14.51 | nevcairiel | caring/sharing gets you in jail :P |
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| 08:14.59 | Grum | there is no reason to cause disk-io if you get em in scene rars anyway! |
| 08:15.20 | Dagmar | nevcariel: You'd probably do that because you don't give a damn how long it takes the non-scene people to get it. You've gotten credit for having gotten it before they did |
| 08:15.22 | zenzio | putting RARs in a torrent is like when someone finds it funny to give you a present with a box inside a box inside a box |
| 08:15.33 | olafski | jeez.. from the looks of this, it's good that I never use torrents I guess :P |
| 08:15.48 | Adys | olafski: torrents on private trackers are quite fine |
| 08:15.50 | Dagmar | Scene couriers do things a little differently because their goals aren't to use the pirated material |
| 08:15.55 | olafski | zenzio: except boxes can't verify their own contents |
| 08:15.57 | Bruners | zenzio: no, its keeping the release intact |
| 08:15.59 | Grum | torrents are the hairy drain in either case ;) |
| 08:16.08 | zenzio | olafski: I wasn't speaking of integrity, I was speaking of annoyance factor |
| 08:16.12 | olafski | adys: I'm sure they are.. I prefer my methods |
| 08:16.24 | Grum | why are rars an annoyance? |
| 08:16.24 | olafski | zenzio: then add that.. else it's kind of a lame analogy |
| 08:16.31 | Adys | Grum: because they're annoying |
| 08:16.35 | Grum | because? |
| 08:16.43 | olafski | grum: after downloading for an hour you have to unpack for a minute, omgnoes! |
| 08:16.45 | DWSR | RARing scene releases is for compatibility reasons. |
| 08:16.45 | Bruners | because people don' |
| 08:16.49 | nevcairiel | torrents are not for "scene people", they are for the "users" that want stuff for free .. no-one cares about "intact releases" there :P |
| 08:16.49 | zenzio | olafski: meh, learn to read me |
| 08:16.51 | Bruners | t understand what rar-files are |
| 08:16.56 | Dagmar | grum: Because those people don't worry about the files possibly being corrupted or incomplete or tainted or phony |
| 08:16.57 | Arrowmaster | torrents are for direct to user, they dont have a need for the rars |
| 08:16.58 | DWSR | And also because FTP doesn't allow multiple connections to a single file. |
| 08:17.04 | olafski | dwsr++ |
| 08:17.20 | nevcairiel | DWSR: actually it does, why wouldnt it |
| 08:17.31 | olafski | mm some clients do yer :P |
| 08:17.32 | Bruners | DWSR: it does |
| 08:17.32 | Grum | i can easily take a 350mb slice out of /dev/random and put it up as the latest 24 episode ... |
| 08:17.36 | Dagmar | Grum: For a scene pirate to get a phony release or a corrupted release and not know it? That would be horrible for them |
| 08:17.40 | Grum | enjoy torrenting that shit |
| 08:17.47 | Arrowmaster | Grum: /dev/urandom |
| 08:17.57 | zenzio | you can also RAR 350 MB from there |
| 08:17.58 | krka | Grum: nah, i get the 720p releases, that's like 1.1 GB for a 24 ep |
| 08:18.01 | Adys | Arrowmaster: /dev/nourandom |
| 08:18.09 | DWSR | nevcairiel and Bruners: Some clients and FTPds do, but the ones run by top-sites usually DON'T. |
| 08:18.15 | Arrowmaster | Adys: you have absolutely no idea what im talking about |
| 08:18.21 | Dagmar | Pirate crews have actually handed other crew phony/broken stuff to make them lose face |
| 08:18.21 | Grum | zenzelezz: not really; you can easily check rars for validity, and sfv's protect the rars |
| 08:18.23 | Adys | Arrowmaster: it was a fucking joke |
| 08:18.28 | olafski | adys: :P |
| 08:18.33 | nevcairiel | DWSR: you said FTP doesnt, like the protocol, so be fuckign specific, or we kill you :P |
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| 08:18.42 | Adys | I have nfc what the hell happened |
| 08:18.47 | olafski | nevcairiel: nono, zenzio was allowed to be unspecific so dwsr can be too |
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| 08:18.53 | krka | Grum: that assumes you download the sfv from elsewhere |
| 08:18.54 | Adys | must be a stick invasion up everyone's ass this morning |
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| 08:19.13 | zenzio | we're just filling in for Fisker |
| 08:19.17 | olafski | must be.. I've never heard anyone else complain about rar before |
| 08:19.21 | Grum | nevcairiel: the 'racers' care for the fileparts as that can be the only way to 'contribute to uploading' something after someone else started |
| 08:19.33 | zenzio | really? I've heard people whine about RAR for years |
| 08:19.42 | Grum | its funny |
| 08:19.42 | Bruners | retards complain since they can't just double click the file on their apple's |
| 08:19.43 | krka | RAWR |
| 08:19.44 | nevcairiel | seriously, people whine about rar since it existed |
| 08:19.48 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 08:19.51 | Grum | the people who whine about rars are just retarded |
| 08:19.56 | Dagmar | I dunno what was up with that FTP not allowing connections to one file, but I'm assuming he meant that if you're pushing up a 2Gb archive, it can't be downloaded by anyone over FTP until it's all up there |
| 08:20.05 | Grum | without 'those rars' you would have *NOTHING* to download at all with your stupid torrents |
| 08:20.11 | Dagmar | If you're pushing that as 100 little files, the moment the first one's complete clients can start pulling it |
| 08:20.11 | Adys | Grum: you are just retarded |
| 08:20.11 | krka | the people who don't whine about rars are just retarded <-- true story |
| 08:20.15 | Adys | wow, that was easy! |
| 08:20.16 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: well thats a given, dont want incomplete files =P |
| 08:20.27 | Adys | I should do this more often, insult randomly |
| 08:20.36 | olafski | <nevcairiel> seriously, people whine about rar since it existed <-- on your superior private torrent sites I bet :P |
| 08:20.37 | zenzio | Grum: how's that now? Torrents only allow RARs inside? |
| 08:20.48 | nevcairiel | olafski: no, everywhere |
| 08:20.53 | Bruners | arj > rar |
| 08:20.58 | Grum | no, but there wouldnt be any content for your precious torrents if there were no rars :D |
| 08:21.12 | nevcairiel | they would use another format |
| 08:21.13 | Arrowmaster | heh ive downloaded incomplete files before, ill start getting a file from an xdcc bot before its even finished on the bot, just restart it everytime it finishes and it resumes |
| 08:21.15 | DWSR | Dagmar: Not only that, but FTPd's and many FTP clients dont' allow concurrent connections to the same file. |
| 08:21.17 | zenzio | that's odd, my torrents never contain RARs |
| 08:21.29 | Grum | xdcc :((( |
| 08:21.34 | DWSR | Dagmar: Thus, splitting a release has a purpose. |
| 08:21.36 | zenzio | !list |
| 08:21.37 | Grum | that is even worse than torrents |
| 08:21.42 | ZorbaGama | grum, you realize that torrents are internally checksummed, right? |
| 08:21.45 | Dagmar | dwsr: I've never seen one that wouldn't allow multiple people to download the same complete, static file at the same time |
| 08:21.50 | ZorbaGama | rar is completely unnecessary for torrents |
| 08:21.57 | Grum | DWSR: uploading yes they dont, downloading, they allow unlimited access to the same file |
| 08:22.00 | Adys | making up for terrible flaws in a protocol is no excuse |
| 08:22.03 | DWSR | Dagmar: I'm talking about the same person downloading the same file multiple times. |
| 08:22.08 | Dagmar | DWSR: I think someone may have sold you some harum scarum on that bit |
| 08:22.08 | olafski | dagmar: download accelerators do that (as client).. servers don't have to support it, only resume I think |
| 08:22.09 | DWSR | Starting each download from a different spot. |
| 08:22.10 | Bruners | ruining the original release is also completly unnecessary |
| 08:22.17 | Dagmar | dwar: Oh yeah defintely not that |
| 08:22.22 | Bruners | no matter what client or protocol you are using |
| 08:22.24 | Grum | ZorbaGama: the thing is, a torrent is not 'official' therefor there can be a nice collection of gayporn inside which you wont see until you finish the download |
| 08:22.31 | Dagmar | There's no point in it |
| 08:22.33 | krka | i don't see why the scene simply does not replace rars with content + .torrent file |
| 08:22.37 | Adys | how's a rar any more official? |
| 08:22.39 | ZorbaGama | that's true, and rars, if anything, exacerbate that problem |
| 08:22.40 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yes, there is. |
| 08:22.43 | Dagmar | Plus it's rather likely to draw attention |
| 08:22.46 | krka | the .torrent file is as secure as rar checksums |
| 08:22.46 | haste | krka: because the scene hates BT |
| 08:22.47 | Bruners | krka: they don't want to spread files to p2p |
| 08:22.50 | Adys | do you get government approval before raring something? |
| 08:22.56 | DWSR | krka: More secure, akshully. |
| 08:22.58 | Dagmar | ...or better still, overload the damn server with two many ftpd's |
| 08:22.58 | Grum | Adys: its not a given, just more likely :) |
| 08:22.59 | krka | Bruners: they can use it _internally_ |
| 08:23.00 | olafski | krka: if you want to get something to one other place as fast as possible torrents really aren't the way to go :P |
| 08:23.01 | ZorbaGama | in that normal torrents you actually *can* look at the file list before downloading, whereas with rars, you can't |
| 08:23.11 | Bruners | krka: why? their method already works |
| 08:23.13 | Adys | Grum: .. ok... |
| 08:23.15 | Grum | ZorbaGama: you can with rars |
| 08:23.18 | krka | olafski: really? what's the speed difference for a two person setup? |
| 08:23.18 | haste | krka: internally they use FTPs :P |
| 08:23.20 | Grum | just a single file is being packed |
| 08:23.22 | krka | can't be more than like 1% |
| 08:23.23 | DWSR | krka: A lot. |
| 08:23.25 | Bruners | hi haste |
| 08:23.26 | Adys | Grum: Can I take your statistics class AND the weed you're smoking? |
| 08:23.28 | Dagmar | DWSR: The only reason to do it would be to bypass qos/throttling restrictions that the person who set the ftp server up put in place for a reason |
| 08:23.29 | Grum | so you just need the first ~128 bytes of the rar |
| 08:23.29 | haste | haroo |
| 08:23.30 | ZorbaGama | grum, really? how can I look at the contents of a rar without downloading the rar? |
| 08:23.43 | olafski | krka: but why bother with such a protocol if you're just sending it to one place? |
| 08:23.52 | ZorbaGama | it's a larger chunk than that, but, yes. With some extra work I can indeed look at the contents of a .rar |
| 08:23.58 | DWSR | krka: A 2 person setup still requires a tracker, peerID negotiation, etc. etc. etc. |
| 08:24.00 | Bruners | ZorbaGama: fake scene-release get nuked |
| 08:24.01 | ZorbaGama | Of course I can look at the contents of a torrent without that extra work |
| 08:24.05 | Grum | its not a larger chunk |
| 08:24.10 | Grum | its even smaller |
| 08:24.11 | krka | olafski: you can reuse the .torrent file for all next steps too |
| 08:24.12 | ZorbaGama | so rars are strictly less transparent than torrents are |
| 08:24.13 | Fisker | see haste |
| 08:24.14 | Grum | i think ~56 bytes would be enough |
| 08:24.20 | Bruners | hi Fisker |
| 08:24.21 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Lockfisker <-i'm a damn achievement whore |
| 08:24.27 | ZorbaGama | bruners, yeah, I know. it's grum trying to claim that somehow rars protect scene releases :P |
| 08:24.45 | Grum | ZorbaGama: they do by sfv files, sure someone can always push out some animalpron |
| 08:24.46 | Adys | Grum: with those 56 bytes you dont get any more data than you would getting a vanilla torrent |
| 08:24.51 | Grum | but that will get nuked in seconds |
| 08:24.59 | ZorbaGama | grum, sfv files are redundant. torrents have an internal sfv-ish process built-in |
| 08:25.15 | olafski | so fun to see someone join a discussion late and bring up all the points that have been brought up |
| 08:25.18 | zenzio | Grum: the nuking process could be done no matter if it was RARs or ZIPs or even plain files |
| 08:25.20 | nevcairiel | we just need gpg signing of torrents, clearly |
| 08:25.23 | zenzio | don't attribute that to RAR |
| 08:25.29 | Bruners | ZorbaGama: thats still the sfv for that torrent, not the scene-release |
| 08:25.35 | Grum | zenzio: except that you cant really easily kill a torrent now can you |
| 08:25.39 | krka | it's actually pretty stupid to include .sfv in torrents |
| 08:25.48 | ZorbaGama | bruners, yeah, that's true |
| 08:25.51 | krka | it needs to come from a verified source to be useful at all |
| 08:25.52 | Grum | krka: if it transfers a scene release it is not |
| 08:25.54 | Bruners | krka: its part of the original release.... |
| 08:25.55 | nevcairiel | Grum: you can take it off the tracker, anything remaining through dht is just waste :P |
| 08:26.01 | krka | how can you know that+ |
| 08:26.09 | Grum | nevcairiel: riight and trackers are what? yes .. public ... |
| 08:26.16 | nevcairiel | dont have to be |
| 08:26.18 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 08:26.26 | Adys | [10:25:15] <olafski> so fun to see someone join a discussion late and bring up all the points that have been brought up |
| 08:26.27 | Dagmar | Grum: There's nothing really stopping from someone just copying the sfv files from the legit release |
| 08:26.30 | Arrowmaster | im going back to watching farscape |
| 08:26.34 | Bruners | krka: when you donwload from shitty torrents you don't |
| 08:26.39 | Dagmar | Grum: Thankfully the people who would do such a thing aren't smart enough to know that |
| 08:26.45 | Adys | More like, so fun seeing the same people repeating moot points that have already been proven retarded before |
| 08:26.47 | Grum | torrents do not allow to you to move a release to another spot within 5 seconds of it appearing |
| 08:26.49 | Bruners | also scene-releases have samples |
| 08:26.53 | Grum | ftp does; hence its the reason they use it |
| 08:26.56 | zenzio | Adys: score |
| 08:26.58 | olafski | sure bend it however you like adys |
| 08:26.59 | Adys | hence getting bitten by newcomers in the discussion |
| 08:27.01 | Grum | hence they use rars so others can 'race with them' |
| 08:27.11 | Grum | hence they use sfv for external verification |
| 08:27.13 | krka | move a release? |
| 08:27.30 | Grum | if they didnt do all of that, we wouldnt have shit to download |
| 08:27.42 | Bruners | liste to Grum |
| 08:27.43 | Dagmar | krka: Yes, during the inital phase of it going out to the other scene kids, minutes matter and it's all direct person-to-person transfers |
| 08:27.56 | Arrowmaster | i think he means start uploading to an ftp server and as each rar finishes they start fxp'ing it from that server to another server |
| 08:28.03 | krka | i don't see how that would be more difficult with torrents |
| 08:28.05 | nevcairiel | it would work without rar too, thats no reason :P |
| 08:28.05 | Grum | it would work with any low-overhead, storage, multifile format, yes |
| 08:28.07 | Adys | Grum: may the lords of rar bless the spirits in this world for I have downloaded |
| 08:28.10 | krka | in fact it's easier with torrents tbh |
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| 08:28.17 | zenzio | interesting, I never knew RarSOFT was indirectly responsible for most of the Internet piracy |
| 08:28.20 | Grum | they picked rar for god knows what reason |
| 08:28.21 | Dagmar | krka: It's not about getting it to the _public_ at that point |
| 08:28.31 | Dagmar | It's about getting it to "your" people and *only* "your" people |
| 08:28.35 | Grum | i think because 'back in the days' it was superior tot ZIP |
| 08:28.41 | Grum | what i dont get is that they didn't use ARJ |
| 08:28.56 | Dagmar | They did for a long while |
| 08:28.59 | krka | i never said anything about the public |
| 08:28.59 | Grum | but it could be it still 'crypts' the file even if you store it 'without compression' -- rar does not |
| 08:29.04 | Arrowmaster | and 'back in the days' they were too stupid to use a nix cmdline to use a better format |
| 08:29.16 | Grum | or have a larger file-block overhead than rar |
| 08:29.20 | Adys | Arrowmaster: still are |
| 08:29.40 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: They were pirating it from their Windows 3.11 machines. There was practically no one running Linux that pirated |
| 08:29.55 | DWSR | Pirate free software. Irony. |
| 08:30.00 | Adys | leaving this discussion its like trying to convert a dog to hinduism |
| 08:30.04 | DWSR | that's like trademarking irony. |
| 08:30.18 | Grum | the thing is, you are all thinking from the wrong point of view; scene people do not care for publishing 'illegal stuff' they only care for the speed they publish it with; who gets it out first -- that is the 'challenge', and how childish it may sound, that is also how the transfer after it works |
| 08:30.28 | olafski | one could say the same about the other side adys |
| 08:30.29 | Arrowmaster | Grum: ARJ is even worse than RAR for not being able to actually use it without the official program |
| 08:30.38 | olafski | but then I generally have that impression with many discussions here |
| 08:31.09 | Grum | the top-chain of the scene transfers files at over 130mb/s, they dont care that *you* get it, they just care that 'the other side' gets it |
| 08:31.16 | Adys | olafski: except one side is not yelling "WOOF WOOF" at valid points |
| 08:31.30 | Grum | spreading it around their network at the highest speed and getting 'credits' for doing so is their only motivation |
| 08:31.39 | Dagmar | ~Grum++ |
| 08:31.40 | olafski | adys: rubber, glue etc |
| 08:31.53 | Adys | whatever |
| 08:31.55 | Grum | and then you have the leeches, who use their access and push it down the chain of slower pipes |
| 08:31.58 | Adys | as i said, stick-up-the-ass invasion |
| 08:32.06 | Grum | and then some moron creates a torrent and publishes it |
| 08:32.09 | olafski | oh look at him taking the "high road" :P |
| 08:32.11 | Grum | or puts it onto usenet |
| 08:32.24 | olafski | one side thinks the others are "just not seeing how right they are" and vice versa :P |
| 08:32.24 | Grum | anyhow, that is how it works =) |
| 08:32.33 | Arrowmaster | back in the day usenet was great for transfer speed though |
| 08:32.35 | Grum | and yes that leaves 'the user' with rars |
| 08:32.45 | Grum | dedicated ftps are still better |
| 08:32.53 | Arrowmaster | but not free |
| 08:32.58 | Arrowmaster | like they were, back in the day |
| 08:32.58 | Adys | olafski: there's right and there's "used to be right" |
| 08:33.01 | Grum | they dont care haha |
| 08:33.05 | Grum | it doesnt have to be free ;) |
| 08:33.05 | nevcairiel | I'm still happy that my tv page unpacks rars before torrenting the stuff, so yeah! |
| 08:33.08 | Dagmar | Olafski: Actually I think it's more a matter of one side has seen it first-hand, and the other side never did becuase they're not the kind of warped obsessive-compulsive that would have made them be part of that other side |
| 08:33.10 | olafski | adys: sure, whatever you like |
| 08:33.15 | Grum | there are people paying thousands of dollars per month to keep a site running |
| 08:33.28 | olafski | adys: you're right, you usually are, alright? :D |
| 08:33.39 | Adys | Fuck off, honestly |
| 08:33.46 | Adys | I've not been claiming anything for the past 10 mins |
| 08:33.47 | Dagmar | There's a wholly different set of purposes a scene pirate puts that data to, and yes this makes them look completely insane to people who aren't scene pirates |
| 08:33.49 | olafski | goes back to leveling, this is like trying to convert a dog to islam |
| 08:33.56 | zenzio | cool down with the personal attacks before Cairenn wakes up |
| 08:33.56 | Grum | http://www.slyck.com/story1803_BREIN_Claims_Success_Against_TV_Land_Top_Site <-- that one cost around ~2800 euro a month |
| 08:34.24 | Grum | a ~45tb archive of goodies :) |
| 08:34.31 | Grum | on 4x1tb lines |
| 08:35.38 | Grum | they really just care for pushing shit around *fast* .. and that site was one on the bottom of the chain |
| 08:35.42 | Dagmar | Most of them eventually hit a point where they say "wtf. I have two thousand DVDs under my desk that are not getting me laid" and they quit |
| 08:35.50 | Grum | and still it got shit pushed into it at ~250mb/s |
| 08:35.54 | olafski | dagmar: I've never been part of that side either I think.. but I can certainly see why they use rars and not one big file ;) |
| 08:36.04 | olafski | hah yeah |
| 08:36.14 | olafski | when I see some stuff from my "scene friends" it just makes me chuckle |
| 08:36.23 | Grum | olafski: its just so you can contribute by putting in 1 out of 25 parts of a release |
| 08:36.28 | Grum | and take that bit of credits |
| 08:36.29 | olafski | "hay guyz we nuked ur rls becuz it had one bad frame in the entire movie" |
| 08:36.33 | Grum | and hope you are faster the next time |
| 08:36.37 | olafski | "we r better than u!" |
| 08:36.51 | Grum | olafski: its about the speed of getting a proper product released |
| 08:37.03 | Dagmar | olafski: Yep. Rival warez group sneers at your callous lack of data integrity |
| 08:37.05 | Grum | so yeah, if you can push out a btter one, you do, and the old one gets nuked |
| 08:37.07 | Dagmar | lol |
| 08:37.07 | olafski | mostly it made me wonder who goes through a release made by another group frame by frame in order to find something wrong with it :P |
| 08:37.15 | Grum | olafski: they do haha :) |
| 08:37.16 | nevcairiel | sometimes the nukes are really just grasping for straws, though |
| 08:37.21 | Grum | nevcairiel: true |
| 08:37.27 | Grum | some also get denied |
| 08:37.40 | Grum | they have 'strict rules' but they arent that easy to follow |
| 08:37.44 | olafski | yes that's what I was going at nevcairiel :P |
| 08:37.51 | Grum | nor does everyone knows em by heart |
| 08:37.52 | olafski | "audio off by .01ms" |
| 08:38.00 | Grum | that wouldnt be valid :) |
| 08:38.08 | Grum | at least 0.3s is needed for a nuke for example |
| 08:38.11 | nevcairiel | they don't have the time to watch that movie they just encoded, or they would lose |
| 08:38.16 | olafski | psh how should I know these scene rules :P |
| 08:38.17 | nevcairiel | so they gamble for it being good =P |
| 08:38.27 | Arrowmaster | if it had a bad frame that actually showed up in a debug log of a decoder as being invalid it deserves to be nuked imho, some players are not as forgiving as others |
| 08:38.47 | Grum | nevcairiel: yup, this is also the reason why you see some 'nfo files' which say they did a 'non fragmented encode' |
| 08:38.58 | Grum | some people for speed, in the commercials already encode a piece of a show |
| 08:39.01 | olafski | and then there are groups that do game releases which somehow _always_ get nuked.. |
| 08:39.08 | Grum | and concat it later, ending up having lower quality |
| 08:39.19 | Dagmar | Yeah I've sent a few people trying to work through the vagaries of transcoding their own stuff to a few pirate tech forums, just because some of the pirates _really_ don't mess around when it comes to "perfect" files |
| 08:39.33 | olafski | that's pretty hardcore grum :D |
| 08:39.38 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mekp8QKs1SU&feature=related#movie_player |
| 08:39.42 | Grum | olafski: its just about speed |
| 08:39.47 | olafski | I like that :P |
| 08:39.49 | Grum | once you realize that the rest makes sortof sense |
| 08:39.52 | Wobin | hit up the time link for 1:49 |
| 08:39.54 | nevcairiel | you know what i really hate, downloading a .rar and then noticing someone rar'ed the official rar's! |
| 08:40.13 | Grum | olafski: the groups who do the multi-part-encoding are sortof 'banned' .. its 'not done' to do so |
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| 08:40.17 | ZorbaGama | nev, the best is when someone did that with one of the old Id or Apogee installers |
| 08:40.28 | Grum | nevcairiel: yup, and worse, the outer packer prolly used compression |
| 08:40.28 | nevcairiel | just to go from 100mb per piece to 200mb for rapidshare or so :P |
| 08:40.28 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: They're piggybacking their reputation on the more-established group's reputation |
| 08:40.38 | ZorbaGama | unrar, unrar again, run installer, installer installs a self-extracting zip, then runs the zip |
| 08:40.47 | Grum | yeah lol |
| 08:40.52 | Grum | APPS are stranger indeed |
| 08:40.56 | ZorbaGama | I always wanted to find a case where someone had done that with an ISO for five levels of redundant compression, but never did |
| 08:41.01 | Grum | they are zipped rarfiles occasionally bundled into a rar |
| 08:41.05 | olafski | hahaha wobin |
| 08:41.07 | Grum | which then gets rarred if someone things it is needed |
| 08:41.24 | nevcairiel | it looks like it wasnt compressed, at least |
| 08:41.36 | nevcairiel | but not like it matters, my cpu is faster then my hdd io anyway |
| 08:41.38 | Grum | nevcairiel: compression is not allowed on stuff that is already compressed |
| 08:41.43 | Grum | ISO's you can compress |
| 08:41.45 | Grum | the rest you cant :) |
| 08:41.52 | olafski | zorbagama: on the other hand, I loved those "old" installers which replaced .tga with .jpg, .wav with .mp3 and then included scripts to unpack them :P |
| 08:41.57 | Grum | mp3/tv/movies etc |
| 08:41.58 | olafski | 700MB serious sam in 50MB? yes please |
| 08:42.07 | nevcairiel | not like they would care for such a doube rar anyway |
| 08:42.23 | Grum | olafski: that doesnt work like that :D |
| 08:42.29 | olafski | grum: it used to |
| 08:42.36 | Arrowmaster | no it didnt |
| 08:42.38 | Grum | oh wait, its a game, yeah it can |
| 08:42.45 | nevcairiel | sure it worked like that |
| 08:42.49 | Dagmar | I've seen a few where they ripped out a ton of non-essential stuff they didn't care for |
| 08:42.50 | nevcairiel | back in the day they did that alot |
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| 08:42.55 | olafski | I still have that release if you'd like to see it ;p |
| 08:43.06 | Arrowmaster | you are thinking of the game 'rips' where they remove or reencode as much as they can to reduce the size |
| 08:43.09 | nevcairiel | when bandwidth was still more of an issue |
| 08:43.13 | Grum | those were called 'rips' btw |
| 08:43.18 | olafski | arrowmaster: yes.. what part of "serious sam" wasn't a game to you? |
| 08:43.27 | Dagmar | hehe harsh |
| 08:43.28 | Grum | they just replaced/removed videos |
| 08:43.35 | Grum | lowered resolution of images |
| 08:43.44 | Arrowmaster | lowered quality of sound files |
| 08:43.44 | Nechckn | 7zip!! geez... |
| 08:43.47 | Grum | recompressed the sound :P |
| 08:43.52 | olafski | hm I don't think they reduced the resolution actually.. not in this release anyway |
| 08:43.55 | Grum | yup |
| 08:43.56 | olafski | they just replaced them with jpgs :) |
| 08:44.06 | nevcairiel | which does reduce quality, tbh |
| 08:44.16 | Arrowmaster | jpg is fucking horrible for quality |
| 08:44.20 | Grum | rips were not really condoned by the scene back then, and then they changed the rules that you had to mark it a rip ... ah well lame stuff =) |
| 08:44.40 | Grum | that is like 15 years ago : |
| 08:44.41 | olafski | yes it does nevcairiel, but this was in a time when 50MB would take me a few hours to download so I really didn't mind not having to download 700MB |
| 08:44.57 | Dagmar | Oi. First person statement there. |
| 08:45.07 | olafski | yes.. |
| 08:45.48 | olafski | I did say "I" and "me" didn't I :) |
| 08:47.43 | Nechckn | reowww, picky, Dagmar |
| 08:47.44 | Dagmar | We're grown-ups now. We're expected to be able to hold down jobs so we can just wave a credit card and things happen properly. |
| 08:47.55 | Dagmar | Which I for one am quite comfortable with now |
| 08:48.09 | olafski | I don't get it :< |
| 08:48.16 | Nechckn | credit card waving? |
| 08:48.24 | olafski | I was stating an opinion and clearly made it look like an opinion :< |
| 08:48.26 | Dagmar | Yes, as in paying for things |
| 08:48.33 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: some of us are still unemployed due to the economic situation |
| 08:48.37 | Nechckn | Oh, well, yeah. |
| 08:48.51 | nevcairiel | I would still love to pay for tv shows, but no-one offers me the service i want! |
| 08:49.01 | olafski | yer nevcairiel :P |
| 08:49.09 | olafski | shows arrive a year late and not at the time I want them here |
| 08:49.19 | nevcairiel | real-time streaming of US tv shows, gogo |
| 08:49.21 | nevcairiel | i'll sign up |
| 08:49.26 | olafski | (actually, they are uploaded to my (by FTP) over night, I don't have to do anything for it :P) |
| 08:49.29 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Yeah there's a great degree to which the media companies have just *got* to get some freaking clue about distribution |
| 08:49.34 | olafski | s/my/me/ |
| 08:49.56 | Nechckn | nevcairiel Hulu is pretty nice |
| 08:50.05 | nevcairiel | Nechckn: and only works for US |
| 08:50.32 | Nechckn | Oh.. I saw the RTS of US tv shows.. |
| 08:50.36 | Nechckn | gotcha |
| 08:50.37 | Dagmar | Yeah they need to just unclench a bit and open up the thing and THEN figure out how to monetize the non-US traffic |
| 08:50.59 | nevcairiel | credit cards and paypal work fine internationally |
| 08:51.00 | olafski | actually I think I can watch some shows on my xbox nowadays |
| 08:51.10 | Nechckn | They're all afraid of the hackerzzz. |
| 08:51.13 | Dagmar | ...instead of waiting for a bunch of other large media conglomerates to come along and offer bulging sacks of money so there's no risk involved |
| 08:51.16 | Arrowmaster | olafski: 'rent' |
| 08:51.56 | Nechckn | I agree, nevcairiel. CCs are pretty much universal, no? |
| 08:52.14 | olafski | arrowmaster: 'go away' |
| 08:52.17 | nevcairiel | apple already has alot tv shows for iTunes, but they don't sell them here, and if they do, i can't switch to english audio <.< |
| 08:52.34 | Nechckn | eww |
| 08:52.40 | Nechckn | That is bizarre |
| 08:52.47 | olafski | where do you live again nevcairiel? |
| 08:52.50 | nevcairiel | germany |
| 08:53.03 | olafski | ouch :( |
| 08:53.21 | Wobin | http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/local/3248457/Man-felled-by-heat |
| 08:53.24 | Wobin | ... |
| 08:53.31 | olafski | that must indeed be dire with the dubbing |
| 08:53.54 | Bruners | germans have always been wierd |
| 08:54.15 | nevcairiel | heat stroke at 25C? |
| 08:54.16 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 08:54.30 | krka | nevcairiel: i'd prefer to purchase 720p rips of tv shows at most a day after its airdate, that'd be awesome |
| 08:54.39 | olafski | oO |
| 08:54.46 | haste | nevcairiel: 76 years old |
| 08:54.47 | nevcairiel | krka: you mean like i get them now? :) |
| 08:54.54 | nevcairiel | haste: but 25C |
| 08:55.00 | olafski | krka: I _think_ I can do that on my 360.. not sure though, I think I also have to be a gold member for that |
| 08:55.28 | Arrowmaster | you dont purchase |
| 08:55.30 | Arrowmaster | you 'rent' |
| 08:55.31 | nevcairiel | maybe he was sitting in the sun all day, who knows |
| 08:55.41 | Arrowmaster | and the prices are fucking crazy |
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| 08:55.50 | haste | nevcairiel: it's all about body temp. so |
| 08:55.54 | Nechckn | Can you do NetFlix via the 360 internationally? |
| 08:56.36 | nevcairiel | Since the US shows air at a time i usually sleep anyway, i would be fine with downloading them the day after |
| 08:56.36 | nevcairiel | give me a damn monthly fee for unlimited access, and i'm sold |
| 08:56.36 | olafski | nechckn: yes.. in many countries, but not all |
| 08:56.50 | Nechckn | olafski interesting |
| 08:57.44 | olafski | once again you need to be a live gold member for that, which I'm not so I can't check |
| 08:57.58 | Arrowmaster | and you need to have a netflix subscription |
| 08:58.45 | Arrowmaster | there are two seperate things on the 360, the netflix streaming with a subscription, and the zune video rental |
| 08:59.56 | Nechckn | That is how it works in the US, too, Arrowmaster |
| 09:00.05 | Arrowmaster | i am in the us |
| 09:00.22 | Nechckn | okay.. thought you meant it was different eslewhere |
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| 09:00.44 | Nechckn | I have both and use 'em for a few things I can't get elsewhere. |
| 09:00.54 | Nechckn | I actually lucked into the beta test of Vudu, too. |
| 09:01.05 | Arrowmaster | the zune rental store is 100% guarantee going to be different for each country |
| 09:01.18 | Nechckn | Have had it for almost a year, for free, and get a few movie credits each week to "test" |
| 09:01.50 | Nechckn | The quality on that is pretty darn awesome, but you pay for each flick. |
| 09:03.02 | Nechckn | 1080p for just about all of them - if you want to pay about a dollar extra |
| 09:03.23 | nevcairiel | sadly my connection is too slow to stream that in realtime :P |
| 09:03.37 | Nechckn | It is only US right now, too... |
| 09:03.45 | Nechckn | unfortunately |
| 09:04.07 | Nechckn | You could always just tunnel to a US server and then out to one of the services |
| 09:04.26 | nevcairiel | i wonder how linode would like that :P |
| 09:04.28 | Nechckn | Someone "near" here does that |
| 09:04.49 | Nechckn | But, they have a pretty big pipe, so it works |
| 09:05.05 | Nechckn | points to a person on ye IRC list. |
| 09:05.30 | nevcairiel | i'm moving soon, new place will have faster webz .. not that it helps without doing tunneling magic |
| 09:05.52 | olafski | nevcairiel: come live near me, I get all shows pushed to me at night ,) |
| 09:06.00 | Nechckn | lol - handy |
| 09:06.09 | Nechckn | to where are you moving, nevcairiel? |
| 09:06.25 | nevcairiel | same area, just into the big city |
| 09:06.37 | Nechckn | gotcha |
| 09:07.01 | olafski | I live a few km from germany :> |
| 09:09.11 | Nechckn | half my family is sourced from alsace lorraine, so could be many nationalities =) |
| 09:09.32 | Nechckn | That area, anyway. So, it all depends on the year. |
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| 09:11.12 | mikma | tekkub: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/01/i_must_live_there_bacony_foods.php |
| 09:13.22 | olafski | wow |
| 09:13.25 | olafski | that's awesome :P |
| 09:19.16 | Corrodias | well, i guess i'm in the market for a new TV. my tv tuner card/software has too much lag, so i need an actual tv. |
| 09:20.15 | Corrodias | i only need it to handle s-video, and frankly i'd prefer a CRT so i don't have to be concerned about input lag. |
| 09:20.30 | Corrodias | but where the hell do you shop for a crt television these days? |
| 09:20.47 | zenzio | antique stores |
| 09:21.02 | Corrodias | my current one is great except that it kinda sucks, so it isn't great after all |
| 09:21.31 | Corrodias | it's got a bit of vertical color bleed and the aspect ratio seems to be messed up. stretched vertically. |
| 09:21.31 | olafski | inputlaglol |
| 09:22.47 | Corrodias | no kidding. you'd think the manufacturers would list that among the other stats, but no, the people who just want to get fat and watch movies don't care about input lag. |
| 09:23.04 | olafski | I don't really recall ever caring about it |
| 09:23.15 | zenzio | input lag in what situations? |
| 09:23.19 | olafski | well I did when I saw my mother's first LCD.. but after using it for an hour it was np |
| 09:23.29 | olafski | that must've been like 6 years ago now :) |
| 09:23.33 | Corrodias | gaming |
| 09:23.53 | olafski | never noticed anything on my tv, and it was a pretty cheap one |
| 09:24.20 | Corrodias | cheaper displays often have a better chance of having low input lag because they do less processing on the image before displaying it |
| 09:24.31 | Recluse | do they even make them anymore? |
| 09:24.54 | Corrodias | crt television sets? i doubt it. |
| 09:25.49 | Corrodias | which is why i wish i could "fix" mine, but i don't know if anything can be done about the vertical stretching. |
| 09:26.33 | zenzio | so you're one of those guys who care about "vertical stretching" |
| 09:27.08 | Corrodias | the fact that my image is distorted for some reason is something i care about, yes |
| 09:27.37 | zenzio | you either didn't get the joke, or chose to ignore it :( |
| 09:27.50 | Corrodias | didn't get it |
| 09:30.39 | olafski | corrodias: always say you did it on purpose, he can't check anyway ;) |
| 09:30.52 | Corrodias | heheh |
| 09:31.11 | zenzio | doesn't matter, I realise most people aren't as into sexual jokes as I am |
| 09:32.56 | olafski | I would like to get it :$ |
| 09:33.53 | olafski | I'm usually quite good at english but when it comes to jokes I sometimes miss the intricacies of the language I think |
| 09:34.17 | zenzio | I'm not native to English either, so my jokes don't always end up very clear |
| 09:34.36 | zenzio | but in this case, think of "vertical stretching" as "enlargement" |
| 09:34.51 | olafski | ah ;p |
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| 09:42.27 | Dewin | Hmmm. I discovered some fun facts with the dungeon finder and low level characters. Anybody care to share? |
| 09:42.43 | Dewin | err |
| 09:42.46 | Dewin | anybody want me to share? |
| 09:42.51 | olafski | yes |
| 09:42.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: like the fact that it's REALLY bad about dealing with level differences? |
| 09:43.08 | NightHawkTheSane | to the point of being practically broken? |
| 09:43.15 | Dewin | Only with random dungeons |
| 09:43.16 | Fisker | why so srs NightHawkTheSane? |
| 09:43.22 | Dewin | though... this is what happened |
| 09:43.24 | NightHawkTheSane | because i already knew that, Dewin :P |
| 09:43.37 | Dewin | My wife was on her level 58 paladin alt in a hellfire ramparts group. |
| 09:44.08 | Dewin | Healer left (twice) because various people sucked. So she invited my 80 druid, who could teleport to the dungeon and power them through it even though I couldn't queue for it normally. That's not the interesting pat. |
| 09:44.43 | olafski | suspense is building.. |
| 09:45.04 | Dewin | Well, afterwards, we had the brilliant idea to see what happens if we try to use a meeting stone on the people off-server, since two of us were now on the same server. That doesn't work, by the way. |
| 09:45.15 | Dewin | And she couldn't queue for another dungeon with me in the group since, well, level 80s have no business in hellfire peninsula |
| 09:45.23 | Dewin | HOWEVER! |
| 09:45.29 | ZorbaGama | nighthawk, I haven't had any trouble with level differences, myself |
| 09:45.32 | Dewin | if I zoned into a different dungeon |
| 09:45.42 | Dewin | It set everyone's "Teleport to dungeon" option to the one I entered. |
| 09:45.59 | olafski | hm |
| 09:45.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaGama: i have them -all- the time |
| 09:45.59 | Dewin | so they could all teleport into blood furnace afterwards, even though we technically didn't meet the requirements. |
| 09:46.00 | Kaso | lol |
| 09:46.07 | olafski | that is odd |
| 09:46.14 | Dewin | So it's based off the last dungeon that anybody in your group zoned into. |
| 09:46.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: thats pretty neat |
| 09:46.26 | Kaso | so you could teleport a bunch of lowbies into HoR? |
| 09:46.30 | olafski | something odd happens when a member of the group levels up while doing the dungeon too |
| 09:46.57 | olafski | you can't queue the group for another random then.. at least in my experience |
| 09:47.00 | Dewin | No, "hard" level requirements are still required. |
| 09:47.20 | Dewin | My wife couldn't enter Violet Hold afterwards since she wasn't 70 (note you have to be 74? to actually queue for it) |
| 09:47.43 | Dewin | The instance server checks those upon entry and spits you back out otherwise, she actually only saw the loading screen for a split second |
| 09:49.11 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULB29qLs1f0 |
| 09:49.15 | Wobin | it's so much clearer now |
| 09:49.29 | Dewin | ooh, I'll have to watch |
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| 09:51.10 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:51.14 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 09:54.35 | Fisker | i hate this |
| 09:55.02 | Fisker | just did a lot of quests and had to do the delivery quest you usually get back to your main city |
| 09:55.13 | Fisker | so i take it, go back and train, and now i just leveled again and have to train again :P |
| 09:55.25 | Bruners | stop being such a noob then |
| 09:56.23 | Fisker | screw you! |
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| 09:57.01 | Bruners | Fisker: beware! i might start a thread about your manners |
| 09:57.40 | Fisker | do it |
| 09:58.10 | Audible | Fisker : you do know there is an achievement for becoming lvl 80 with only starter spells ? |
| 09:59.04 | Audible | its called "Through hard work and manual labour!" |
| 09:59.18 | Bruners | just afk in AV ! |
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| 10:04.39 | Fisker | haste |
| 10:04.46 | Fisker | can't you transfer to ravencrest and faction transfer |
| 10:04.49 | Fisker | then help me out with a quest? |
| 10:07.34 | Industrial | Fisker: You wouldnt transfer factions and realms to help someone with a quest! |
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| 10:10.37 | Fisker | i didn't know being a jerk was that important to you Industrial :( |
| 10:10.53 | Fisker | because that's what you are for not helping me! |
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| 10:19.02 | Bruners | Fisker: wrong realm and wrong faction ? |
| 10:19.10 | Bruners | didn't think you where that low |
| 10:21.23 | digmouse | where can I get the base mana/health number of all classes? |
| 10:21.42 | digmouse | oh got it, wowwiki |
| 10:25.11 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaGama: HEY WHERE TALKING ABOUT YOU IN #WOWACE |
| 10:25.33 | Arrowmaster | s/WHERE/WE'RE/ |
| 10:26.46 | ZorbaGama | should I join or should I slack off and not join? ;) |
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| 10:26.56 | nevcairiel | you missed the insults anyway |
| 10:26.56 | Kalroth | We're only trashtalking you |
| 10:27.51 | Arrowmaster | <Yivry> ok I might be a bit naive here, but how come QuestHelper ALWAYS has an update whenever I run curse client? |
| 10:27.54 | Arrowmaster | <Arrowmaster> he does lots of useless updates just so people think hes doing work and will donate money to him |
| 10:27.57 | ZorbaGama | yeah I'm fine with that, carry on |
| 10:28.16 | ZorbaGama | if he wants a real answer, send him my way :P |
| 10:28.22 | krka | also, <Kalroth> I want to have ZorbaGamas babies |
| 10:28.31 | Kalroth | *teehee* |
| 10:28.35 | Arrowmaster | are you denying my allegations? |
| 10:29.07 | ZorbaGama | Yeah. I try to make sure there's something in every update, at least a database update. |
| 10:29.10 | Adys | <Kalroth> I want to make babies with Adys |
| 10:29.15 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: The last 6 updates of QH has been changing a hash value in a comment section in the .toc |
| 10:29.48 | Kalroth | Adys: No, we dont see eye to eye on programming language, so no babies! |
| 10:30.02 | Kalroth | languages* |
| 10:30.28 | ZorbaGama | if he's actually saying that, then, dude, stop lying :P |
| 10:30.35 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 10:32.23 | Adys | Kalroth: http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/62514/alarming-cockbot/ |
| 10:32.26 | Adys | For you! |
| 10:33.08 | Kalroth | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/62514/python-sucks-an-alarming-amount-of-cockbot/ |
| 10:33.10 | Kalroth | For you! |
| 10:33.52 | Adys | I still cant believe you're so stuck up about python :P |
| 10:34.35 | Torhal | Meh. I'd like to get the API docs for GuildRoster(), so this is very unhelpful: |
| 10:34.39 | Torhal | !api GuildRoster() |
| 10:34.39 | lua_bot | Found 12 possible results for 'GuildRoster()': GuildRoster, GetGuildRosterMOTD, GetGuildRosterSelection, SetGuildRosterSelection, GuildRosterSetPublicNote, GetGuildRosterInfo, SortGuildRoster, GuildRosterSetOfficerNote, GetGuildRosterLastOnline, CloseGuildRoster, SetGuildRosterShowOffline, GetGuildRosterShowOffline |
| 10:34.44 | Torhal | ... |
| 10:34.51 | Kalroth | Adys: I'm not, but it's an easy target! |
| 10:35.04 | Adys | no its not |
| 10:35.08 | Adys | php is an easy target |
| 10:35.12 | Adys | vb is an easy target |
| 10:35.12 | zenzio | !api GuildRoster$ |
| 10:35.13 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'GuildRoster$': GuildRoster, SortGuildRoster, CloseGuildRoster |
| 10:35.19 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 10:35.21 | zenzio | !api ^GuildRoster$ |
| 10:35.21 | lua_bot | GuildRoster: Requests guild roster information from the server (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GuildRoster) |
| 10:35.23 | Kalroth | php, vb and python got a lot of things in common |
| 10:35.25 | Adys | !api ^GuildRoster$ |
| 10:35.25 | nevcairiel | !api GuildRoster |
| 10:35.25 | lua_bot | GuildRoster: Requests guild roster information from the server (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GuildRoster) |
| 10:35.25 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+bb %*!*@li37-84.members.linode.com %*!n=lua_bot@*] by Shiibot |
| 10:35.35 | Torhal | Ah, pattern matching. Yay |
| 10:35.38 | Kalroth | poor lua_bot |
| 10:35.41 | Arrowmaster | ~zenzio++ |
| 10:35.42 | Torhal | I figured the () would point it the right way |
| 10:35.46 | Adys | ~shiibot!! |
| 10:35.48 | nevcairiel | if you use no specials at all, it uses the direct match |
| 10:35.50 | Adys | ~shiibot-- |
| 10:35.53 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: fix Shiibot |
| 10:36.00 | nevcairiel | so skip the stupid () and it gives you the link |
| 10:36.09 | Arrowmaster | ~Shiibot-- |
| 10:36.16 | Arrowmaster | ~Shirik-- |
| 10:36.22 | Adys | ~shirik<3 |
| 10:36.23 | Torhal | First time I tried it without () it said "12 matches" |
| 10:36.30 | Torhal | So I added the () |
| 10:36.34 | nevcairiel | worked for me :P |
| 10:36.39 | Torhal | Bleargh |
| 10:36.48 | Adys | Kalroth: such as? |
| 10:37.01 | Kalroth | Adys: they're all crap scripting languages! |
| 10:37.14 | Adys | vb isnt a scripting language for one |
| 10:37.28 | Kalroth | are you sure |
| 10:38.06 | Adys | and |
| 10:38.09 | Adys | when you say scripting language |
| 10:38.13 | Adys | you include lua in the lot |
| 10:38.16 | Adys | so careful :P |
| 10:38.29 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure I only included vb, php and python :P |
| 10:38.47 | Adys | gimme decent arguments and ill listen |
| 10:39.04 | Kalroth | no way |
| 10:39.04 | nevcairiel | i bet he is one of those ruby fanbois |
| 10:39.30 | Arrowmaster | Adys: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3104/ is all the ammo i need |
| 10:39.32 | Kalroth | it aint a real language if the compiler cant generate a standalone x86 binary! |
| 10:40.08 | Adys | Kalroth: you mean like py2exe :p |
| 10:40.16 | Adys | Arrowmaster: well thats a pep |
| 10:40.23 | Kalroth | Adys: That's a wrapper, not a compiler |
| 10:40.37 | Adys | it is a compiler |
| 10:41.02 | Kalroth | no it isnt |
| 10:41.14 | Adys | yes it is |
| 10:41.32 | Kalroth | "py2exe is a Python Distutils extension which converts Python ->scripts<- into executable Windows programs, able to run without requiring a Python installation. " |
| 10:41.48 | Adys | yeah |
| 10:41.52 | Adys | where does it say its a wrapper? |
| 10:42.30 | Torhal | Using that same emphasis: "Python ->scripts<- into executable Windows ->programs<-" |
| 10:42.34 | Torhal | :D |
| 10:42.43 | Adys | ~torhal++ |
| 10:42.56 | Kalroth | Sure, but the executeable is still only the wrapper |
| 10:43.08 | Adys | its not |
| 10:43.26 | Kalroth | just like VB executeables include the entire script in its original form, only parsed to some halfarsed form of bytecode |
| 10:43.28 | nevcairiel | Any "linker" is a wrapper like that, it links the libraries required to execute a program to the actual code :P |
| 10:43.35 | Kalroth | no |
| 10:43.51 | Kalroth | there's a vast difference between generating x86 code and running a script runtime |
| 10:44.00 | Adys | except its not runtime |
| 10:44.13 | Adys | well it is of course |
| 10:44.18 | Kalroth | :p |
| 10:44.19 | Adys | but its not a script anymore |
| 10:44.30 | Arrowmaster | is it running inside of a python VM? |
| 10:44.51 | Kalroth | also I believe I said standalone! |
| 10:44.51 | Adys | pretty sure its not |
| 10:44.59 | Adys | py2exe is standalone |
| 10:45.00 | Kalroth | py2exe got a ton of support files |
| 10:45.04 | Kalroth | http://www.py2exe.org/index.cgi/FAQ |
| 10:45.13 | Arrowmaster | hmm, how does it handle memory management then? |
| 10:45.17 | Kalroth | "To run your program needs all those files as a necessary condition. " |
| 10:45.52 | Adys | Kalroth: the dlls are generated by py2exe |
| 10:46.10 | Kalroth | uhm, they're still a wrapper |
| 10:46.15 | Kalroth | that page even says so |
| 10:46.26 | Kalroth | "the main script (the one passed as an option to "windows" or "console" in your setup file) is not put with all the other files in the library.zip. Instead it is byte-compiled (see OptimizedBytecode for some details on optimization) and inserted into a named resource in the executable shell. " |
| 10:46.42 | Adys | either way whats your point, it certainly doesnt mean python sucks :P |
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| 10:47.02 | Kalroth | that python isn't a real language because it cannot generate x86 executeables! |
| 10:47.07 | Kalroth | its compiler* |
| 10:47.08 | nevcairiel | Short of C there arent that many languages that generate real machine code =P |
| 10:47.18 | Kalroth | pascal! |
| 10:47.23 | Kalroth | ASM! |
| 10:47.24 | nevcairiel | pascal is dead |
| 10:47.29 | Arrowmaster | im going to have to agree with Kalroth on this one since it uses a python??.dll so it is still using the python runtime |
| 10:47.52 | Arrowmaster | but like nev said, nothing really creates native machine code other than C |
| 10:47.55 | nevcairiel | name a high-level language that produces real x86 byte code |
| 10:48.17 | Arrowmaster | especially not from a high-level GARBAGECOLLECTED language |
| 10:48.55 | Adys | Pascal doesn't have garbage collection because the entire language is garbage |
| 10:49.07 | Adys | and you cant really collect yourself can you. |
| 10:49.12 | Kalroth | .. |
| 10:49.31 | Kalroth | yes, collecting your own garbage is hard, real programmers have only been doing it for 20+ years |
| 10:49.54 | nevcairiel | not your own garbage, yourself, because you're garbage :P |
| 10:50.15 | Adys | ~garbagecollect Kalroth |
| 10:50.17 | nevcairiel | free(Kalroth); |
| 10:50.26 | zenzio_ | what do you mean "clean up memory", just adjust the stack pointer |
| 10:50.27 | Adys | mine was better. |
| 10:50.30 | Kalroth | exactly! |
| 10:50.48 | nevcairiel | real memory doesnt live on the stack, you steal the heap! |
| 10:51.05 | Arrowmaster | im just saying it because i dont see how a garbage collected language could be converted to bytecode and not include the original languages VM with it |
| 10:51.19 | zenzio_ | you avoid the heap when you can |
| 10:51.22 | nevcairiel | thats why no-one does it |
| 10:51.47 | nevcairiel | everything is just compiling some form of intermediate code these days |
| 10:52.23 | Kalroth | if everyone jumped off a cliff, would you?! |
| 10:52.35 | nevcairiel | if it seemes like a good idea to do, sure! |
| 10:53.20 | Arrowmaster | you know i could almost see it being possible with lua if you followed some strict garbage creation limits while coding |
| 10:54.25 | Kalroth | it'd be rather silly though :p |
| 10:54.47 | zenzio_ | you could jump off a cliff with lua? |
| 10:55.11 | Bruners | naw, protected functions |
| 10:55.12 | Kalroth | I'm positive you could |
| 10:55.41 | Arrowmaster | honestly if i could code in lua rather than C and make a compiled native executable i would even if i ment i could only do it if i coded specifically against whatever was going to compile it |
| 10:56.29 | Arrowmaster | C just kinda blurs together for me |
| 10:56.55 | nevcairiel | i bet you could somehow pull it off to include the lua vm and your lua app in one native executable =p |
| 10:57.53 | Kalroth | make a lua to x86 bytecode compiler, Arrowmaster! |
| 10:58.19 | Kalroth | no vm though, vms are for sods |
| 10:59.35 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: oh yeah that would be easy, just make a C app that does nothing but include lua then run your lua code using it |
| 11:05.36 | ZorbaGama | http://www.mandible.net I've been releasing games written in lua for months now, it's pretty dang easy |
| 11:09.17 | olafski | I got an A on one of the paintings ;D |
| 11:13.39 | olafski | nice game zorbagama :) |
| 11:13.51 | ZorbaGama | thanks :) |
| 11:20.17 | Fisker | 30 dps! |
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| 11:27.10 | Fisker | nice |
| 11:27.22 | Fisker | you keep getting helpful bags in lfd at this level |
| 11:27.36 | Fisker | got the sickest epics! |
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| 11:35.37 | Kalroth | ZorbaGama: have you checked the last reply on your companys goal page? I'm pretty sure that is spam :p |
| 11:41.10 | ZorbaGama | sigh, must've missed that one. Fixed. :) |
| 11:41.32 | ZorbaGama | Thanks :) |
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| 11:47.45 | Spectre | lua_bot>gsub("1+(2-3)","\((2)-(3)\)","Test") |
| 11:47.49 | Spectre | lua_bot> gsub("1+(2-3)","\((2)-(3)\)","Test") |
| 11:47.52 | Spectre | :( |
| 11:48.06 | Arrowmaster | blame Shirik |
| 11:48.15 | Bruners | lua_bot: ping |
| 11:48.28 | Arrowmaster | its still squelched |
| 11:48.43 | Spectre | anyway, anyone good at regular expressions, the above code leaves the () around test |
| 11:48.51 | Spectre | I can't work out why |
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| 11:49.14 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ |
| 11:49.38 | Grum | lua_bot> gsub("1+(2-3)","%((2)-(3)%)","Test") |
| 11:49.43 | Wobin | gsub("1+(2-3)","\(((2)-(3))\)","Test") |
| 11:49.46 | Grum | lua> gsub("1+(2-3)","%((2)-(3)%)","Test") |
| 11:49.49 | Shirik | what did I do? |
| 11:50.00 | Grum | the () are escaped by % |
| 11:50.02 | zenzio | your spam script was being oversensitive again |
| 11:50.16 | Spectre | really? I though \ was teh escape character |
| 11:50.17 | Wobin | You're the reason the Internet can't have nice things, Shirik |
| 11:50.17 | Shirik | oh |
| 11:50.20 | nevcairiel | yeah, unban lua_bot |
| 11:50.21 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 11:50.26 | Shirik | I thought lua_bot was ignored... |
| 11:50.28 | Shirik | wtf |
| 11:50.56 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-bb %*!*@li37-84.members.linode.com %*!n=lua_bot@*] by Shirik |
| 11:51.12 | jnwhiteh | hugs lua_bot |
| 11:51.30 | zenzio | Spectre: don't confuse lua patterns with actual regular expressions |
| 11:51.46 | lua_bot | It's okay, I know that you didn't mean it =/ |
| 11:53.00 | Arrowmaster | Spectre: % is the escape character for lua patterns |
| 11:53.01 | Shirik | local IGNORED_MASKS = { |
| 11:53.01 | Shirik | "lua_bot!n=lua_bot@li37-84.members.linode.com", |
| 11:53.01 | Shirik | "purl!i=ibot@rikers.org" |
| 11:53.01 | Shirik | }; |
| 11:53.02 | Shirik | ... |
| 11:53.58 | Spectre | oh ok |
| 11:53.59 | Arrowmaster | well thats its hostmask.... |
| 11:54.05 | Arrowmaster | so your code fails Shirik |
| 11:54.11 | haste | ~failrik |
| 11:54.12 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
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| 11:56.31 | Shirik | failure.... |
| 11:56.34 | Shirik | for ignored in ipairs(IGNORED_MASKS) do |
| 11:57.07 | haste | gj Shirik |
| 11:57.19 | Shirik | !reload |
| 11:57.19 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 12:00.16 | Bruners | lasagna + mini garlic baguettes |
| 12:00.28 | Bruners | feels good man |
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| 12:04.03 | olafski | zorbagama: I also like that you used an image of ikaruga in your saving rant :P |
| 12:04.27 | ZorbaGama | can you imagine ikaruga with save-anywhere? my god, it'd be terrible |
| 12:04.33 | olafski | hahaha |
| 12:04.40 | olafski | I might be able to get an A score then |
| 12:04.50 | olafski | I got really close to getting A on chapter 1 once :< |
| 12:05.08 | ZorbaGama | ikaruga pretty much decimated me, I'm just not that good at those games |
| 12:05.45 | Arrowmaster | i almost got a B once |
| 12:05.48 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 12:06.05 | Arrowmaster | i havent even beaten the damn game |
| 12:06.21 | Arrowmaster | since you can only progress if you start from the beginning |
| 12:08.01 | olafski | I can beat it now |
| 12:08.08 | olafski | but only with horrific scores |
| 12:08.18 | olafski | and with a load of continues |
| 12:08.30 | Arrowmaster | i can only get a good combo going during the very first sequence in the first level |
| 12:08.33 | olafski | note that for every hour you play you get an extra continue |
| 12:08.38 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 12:08.44 | Arrowmaster | at 8 hours its unlimited continues |
| 12:08.51 | olafski | yer me too.. I can "max chain" that first sequence, then a couple more in the real start of the level but that's it |
| 12:08.52 | Arrowmaster | im only at 4 hours maybe |
| 12:08.54 | olafski | 8? I thought it was 10 |
| 12:09.06 | olafski | heh yeah, 8-10 hours doesn't seem like much but I'm at like 2-3 hours too |
| 12:09.20 | olafski | considering one game takes like 5 minutes and completely exhausts my eyes ;) |
| 12:10.19 | olafski | all that being said, I for one loved the minmaxing in x-com |
| 12:12.29 | olafski | hmm now I want to play ikaruga again :P |
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| 12:20.31 | olafski | should play Rez HD again as well.. fun game, doesn't allow much saving either |
| 12:20.42 | Arrowmaster | fuck yeah |
| 12:20.47 | Arrowmaster | amazing game |
| 12:20.55 | Arrowmaster | i still need to finish the 30 time attacks |
| 12:21.00 | olafski | you can play lower stages a couple of times to get more lives or something right? |
| 12:21.05 | olafski | I've never gotten very far |
| 12:21.09 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 12:21.29 | Arrowmaster | i can get through every stage by now without getting hit |
| 12:21.46 | Arrowmaster | the last stage is fucking amazing |
| 12:22.07 | olafski | grr ;p |
| 12:22.45 | olafski | I cleared the first 3 stages it seems |
| 12:23.06 | Arrowmaster | ive got all the beyond stuff unlocked so ive done like 5 or 6 straight all in one play throughs that each took like an hour |
| 12:23.25 | olafski | what's a "local ranking"? to me that says "on this console" but I guess that's not it |
| 12:23.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah its 'on this console' |
| 12:24.34 | olafski | but then I would always get local ranking #1? |
| 12:25.01 | Arrowmaster | it should list multiple plays so you can see if you just got like a best ever |
| 12:25.10 | Arrowmaster | or just a 5th best |
| 12:25.49 | Arrowmaster | i would check but im idling in 'the maw' for an achievement |
| 12:26.06 | olafski | hm somehow I had the idea that you hated consoles |
| 12:26.09 | olafski | must be someone else |
| 12:26.28 | Arrowmaster | i dislike what theyve done to gaming |
| 12:27.05 | Arrowmaster | but meh if they are going to turn the pc into a 2nd class platform i went console |
| 12:27.38 | olafski | I like.. pragmatic attitude :) |
| 12:27.49 | mikma | UH Presence doesn't affect flying, doesn't it? |
| 12:28.03 | Wobin | nop |
| 12:28.37 | Wobin | on a pale horse does though |
| 12:29.27 | mikma | need to raise mining to 450, from 333 :O |
| 12:30.11 | olafski | shouldn't take too long |
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| 12:41.35 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qCc25ZIGdw&feature=player_embedded |
| 12:41.41 | Wobin | weight for it.... |
| 12:45.27 | mikma | anusdog |
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| 12:58.05 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 13:00.30 | krka | weight for it <-- was that a pun? O_o |
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| 13:01.02 | zenzio | yes |
| 13:01.09 | zenzio | open the URL and you'll see |
| 13:01.16 | mikma | *badachi!* |
| 13:01.31 | krka | zenzio: i've seen it! |
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| 13:07.48 | Jerub | http://leaf.posterous.com/new-and-interesting-advertisements |
| 13:07.54 | Jerub | new goldseller ads. floating orcs. |
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| 13:08.53 | zenzio | I still miss peons4hire |
| 13:09.57 | Jerub | that's freaking weird |
| 13:10.01 | Fisker | OMG WOBIN |
| 13:10.09 | zenzio | if we can't get rid of gold sellers, we could have at least kept the ones that had rhyming ads |
| 13:10.13 | Fisker | mrplow managed to grey out half my inventory :( |
| 13:11.29 | Wobin | Fisker, relog |
| 13:11.37 | zenzio | so, people are now no longer calling it "global warming" but instead "climate change" to make it more difficult for the people who say "it must be fake, just look at how cold it's been in Europe!" |
| 13:13.09 | Kaso | Climate change has been the term used in science for a fair while |
| 13:13.30 | zenzio | the media has no interest in using scientific terms |
| 13:13.40 | zenzio | the people in question now was Greenpeace |
| 13:13.46 | Fisker | naw Wobin |
| 13:13.48 | Fisker | i never will |
| 13:14.29 | Wobin | I think it's a weird combat bug |
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| 13:16.01 | zenzio | does it have to do with combat lockout or something? |
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| 13:23.41 | Jerub | i threw up a better video too |
| 13:23.58 | zenzio | you shouldn't vomit videos |
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| 13:44.35 | Wobin | I thought we got some sort of bonus stuff for Oculus |
| 13:44.53 | zenzio | that's what they said at least |
| 13:45.10 | zenzio | only if it was the random heroic though, not if you go there on purpose |
| 13:45.14 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:45.17 | Wobin | I have yet to see one =( |
| 13:45.20 | Wobin | The LIED |
| 13:45.21 | Wobin | er |
| 13:45.23 | Wobin | They LIED |
| 13:45.28 | mikma | wobin: bag in the chest |
| 13:45.33 | mikma | wobin: loot it = profit. |
| 13:45.34 | Wobin | nope =( chest despawned |
| 13:45.38 | Wobin | ie, empty |
| 13:45.50 | mikma | you failed at something :D |
| 13:46.06 | Wobin | Probably |
| 13:46.21 | Wobin | failed by BELIEVING IN BLIZZARD =P |
| 13:46.33 | mikma | the bag is there, you looted it and missed it |
| 13:46.42 | mikma | search your inventory |
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| 13:47.39 | zenzio | Wobin: maybe you have some crazy bag addon that's bugging out ;-o |
| 13:47.48 | Wobin | or a full inventory |
| 13:47.59 | Wobin | but in that case, the chest wouldn't depspawn, would it? |
| 13:48.03 | mikma | nope |
| 13:48.11 | Wobin | bioe bi vag |
| 13:48.37 | zenzio | I don't know what you just said, but it sounds dirty |
| 13:48.42 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:48.42 | Wobin | no, no bag |
| 13:48.51 | Wobin | or probably |
| 13:48.53 | Wobin | nope no bag |
| 13:49.07 | Fisker | Did the group disband Wobin ? |
| 13:49.54 | Wobin | eventually |
| 13:49.57 | Wobin | after the chest despawned |
| 13:50.26 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 13:50.32 | zenzio | relogged? |
| 13:50.43 | Fisker | heard that if the group disbands before looting the bags you're considered eligible anymore |
| 13:51.27 | Wobin | nah, zoned out now |
| 13:51.57 | Fisker | you're not* |
| 13:51.58 | Fisker | i meant |
| 13:51.59 | zenzio | http://www.lamebook.com/check-it-out o_O |
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| 13:59.56 | Wobin | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ItsInTheDBag2.jpg |
| 14:06.29 | Fisker | awesome Wobin |
| 14:06.44 | Fisker | it's so awesome that i'll make love to you |
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| 14:11.20 | _rane | could it be irony |
| 14:11.46 | Kraps | morning |
| 14:19.26 | Slackwise | http://spreadsheets.google.com/lv?key=0Au0AWWi-QLEodDNIdnhLbVBWVXJzeUtXM05UZEQzMWc&hl=en |
| 14:19.50 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5453264/tetris-clears-more-than-100-million-mobile-downloads |
| 14:21.19 | Slackwise | Worse is I'm writing a SaveVariable parser from Auctioneer directly into Docs with the Docs API... |
| 14:23.10 | Kraps | cool sheet Slackwise |
| 14:23.25 | Slackwise | Kraps: I'm working on it. ;P |
| 14:23.35 | Slackwise | So soon my bank alt can auto-scan the AH all night. |
| 14:23.46 | Slackwise | Then afterwards my script will run against the stored table from Auctioneer |
| 14:23.56 | Slackwise | Parse it and upload the relevant data directly into the spreadsheet. |
| 14:24.05 | Slackwise | Keeping it nice and fresh. |
| 14:24.17 | Slackwise | With spreadsheet tabs/sheets per profession. |
| 14:24.22 | Kraps | how do you figure the buyout price? |
| 14:24.28 | Slackwise | Auctioneer does it. |
| 14:24.31 | Slackwise | Averages it out. |
| 14:24.39 | Slackwise | Or whatever algorithm it uses. |
| 14:26.08 | Slackwise | I can't sit idly by when I can make my gold making endeavors more efficient... |
| 14:26.19 | Kraps | lol |
| 14:28.21 | Slackwise | If anything, I'll then export back into a Lua table and write a mod that auto auctions for me with a few clicks. |
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| 14:47.54 | Kraps | http://www.newser.com/story/78546/brit-dj-plays-jump-for-suicidal-woman-on-bridge.html |
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| 15:06.31 | Shirik | Courses in which you are a TA: |
| 15:06.32 | Shirik | 08_FA_CS_225_01DB: Computer Science II (Fall 2008 01DB) |
| 15:06.38 | Shirik | Why is this still on my page.... |
| 15:06.56 | Guest65060 | argh |
| 15:06.56 | Shirik | I can't even read blackboard anymore because I have classes from 2008 oun there >< |
| 15:07.48 | Wobin | I'm stuck reading failbook |
| 15:07.49 | zenzelezz | Shirik: you're living in the past |
| 15:07.54 | Wobin | terrible state of affairs |
| 15:08.08 | zenzelezz | well, Failbook *is* full of win |
| 15:08.22 | zenzelezz | though I prefer lamebook.com |
| 15:08.37 | cogwheel | http://www.farleftside.com/ |
| 15:09.05 | Shirik | Wobin |
| 15:09.06 | zenzelezz | unless that has something to do with Gary Larson, I refuse to visit it |
| 15:09.09 | Shirik | why are you so guest-like |
| 15:10.42 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: if you consider "it's a comic" as "something to do with Gary Larson" then yeah... |
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| 15:12.05 | zenzelezz | one does not simply borrow Far.+Side as ones comic name |
| 15:12.16 | cogwheel | you're too sentimental imo |
| 15:12.22 | cogwheel | read teh damn comic! |
| 15:12.24 | cogwheel | :P |
| 15:12.43 | zenzelezz | one is allowed to be sentimental about Gary Larson's The Far Side |
| 15:12.57 | cogwheel | hence the "too damn" qualifier |
| 15:13.19 | zenzelezz | so if you buy a keyboard and mouse, it can be expected that your computer might not have those already |
| 15:13.24 | cogwheel | s/ damn// |
| 15:13.26 | zenzelezz | how are you supposed to "Run install disc first"? |
| 15:15.02 | cogwheel | if you're buying a new kb/mouse at retail, then no, i don't think that's necessarily a valid expectation |
| 15:15.44 | zenzelezz | I'm pretty sure you don't *have to*, but the sticker still says so =) Thankfully I already do have keyboards and mice, so I can even heed the warning |
| 15:15.48 | cogwheel | Most people don't build their own computers so they "should" have a keyboard and mouse that came with it |
| 15:16.39 | cogwheel | and the people who do build their own computers generally have spares lying around ;) |
| 15:16.52 | zenzelezz | hehe, true |
| 15:16.59 | Wobin | if you want an awesome comic: http://www.whatisdeepfried.com/2008/04/07/weapon-brown-1/ |
| 15:17.24 | cogwheel | i just like today's ... i have absolutely no attachment to the series itself |
| 15:19.56 | cogwheel | and for some reason they don't have permalinks for the ones on the front page |
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| 15:21.39 | Wobin | whaaaaaaaaaaaat... |
| 15:21.44 | Wobin | http://www.comicsalliance.com/2009/11/12/stephenie-meyer-comic-book-twilight/ |
| 15:24.30 | Wobin | cogwheel, that comic is somewhat contrived =P |
| 15:24.38 | Wobin | (farleftside) |
| 15:25.52 | Ackis | hehe I set up a web-cam stream from my house to see asshole animals :D |
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| 15:30.50 | Ackis | so far it's a boring ass show :( |
| 15:33.01 | Ackis | just got exciting! |
| 15:33.05 | Ackis | I see a cat ear! |
| 15:40.59 | mikma | nom nom? |
| 15:41.24 | Ackis | damn cat is on my computer desk!!!!! |
| 15:43.01 | mikma | offer him a cheeseburger |
| 15:43.39 | Ackis | FOOT TO THE ASS |
| 15:43.56 | Ackis | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ackis btw :P you can see my dog and sometimes one of the 4 asshole cats |
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| 15:48.51 | DWSR | GOOD NEWS EVERYONE |
| 15:50.24 | Cairenn | ? |
| 15:50.38 | DWSR | I dunno. |
| 15:50.46 | DWSR | I just felt like pulling a Putricide for a second. |
| 15:50.52 | DWSR | Then I realized I had no news at all, good or bad. |
| 15:50.54 | DWSR | However. |
| 15:51.10 | DWSR | I've perfected a plague that will wipe out all life on Azeroth! |
| 15:51.16 | DWSR | and so forth |
| 15:51.36 | DWSR | Just an ordinary gas cloud, but watch out! That's no ordinary gas cloud! |
| 15:51.38 | mikma | dwsr: putricide?? try again |
| 15:52.01 | DWSR | mikma: You only get 10 retries. :P |
| 15:52.15 | nicoli_s | i just saw the futurama one where they got that gas cloud last night |
| 15:52.22 | TC-Away | and by pulling a putricide, you mean you were pulling a Dr. Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth |
| 15:52.25 | nicoli_s | got that gas cloud joke* |
| 15:52.37 | Thunder_Child | s/Dr.// |
| 15:52.52 | DWSR | TC: I didn't know Farnsworth lived in Azeroth! |
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| 15:53.29 | Thunder_Child | he was reincarnated |
| 15:54.03 | nicoli_s | lol i love when ad servers serve ads that dont even have links in them |
| 15:57.03 | mikma | i hope someone smited you from that one, dwsr |
| 16:08.08 | amro_ | Ackis: cat assholes? it it a catwhore show? |
| 16:08.31 | amro_ | is* |
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| 16:09.15 | Ackis | perv! |
| 16:12.35 | nicoli_s | they make kitty butthole covers now |
| 16:13.04 | nicoli_s | that like clip to the base of their tail, so you never have to be mesmerized by a kitty bunghole again! |
| 16:14.46 | Ackis | nicoli_s: havey ou been looking at my facebook pics again? :P |
| 16:15.00 | nicoli_s | lol no, did you buy some? |
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| 16:15.16 | Ackis | no but I have two cat butthole pics posted :P |
| 16:16.24 | nicoli_s | so you need to come twink my character for me |
| 16:16.41 | nicoli_s | im so horrible at wow, have dies like dozens of times before level 12 |
| 16:20.58 | Ackis | i don't even have an active sub |
| 16:21.45 | nicoli_s | lol |
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| 16:35.33 | DWSR | How do you die before level 12? |
| 16:35.37 | zenzelezz | so, I discovered the wireless keyboard and mouse work much better when you don't disconnect the receiver's USB cable |
| 16:35.47 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Generallly. |
| 16:35.48 | zenzelezz | some day I should label the USB cables |
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| 16:36.18 | Thunder_Child | DWSR: my taking enough damage to reduce your health to 0 |
| 16:36.23 | Thunder_Child | s/my/by/ |
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| 16:42.35 | Fisker | i wonder why Blizzard had the idea that warlocks should travel several zones on foot to get their succubus |
| 16:42.36 | Fisker | bastards |
| 16:42.53 | Thunder_Child | hah, it gets worse |
| 16:43.02 | cbreak | try getting the warlock mount |
| 16:43.09 | cbreak | big quest in DireMaul :) |
| 16:43.11 | cbreak | (but fun) |
| 16:43.16 | Thunder_Child | not anymore |
| 16:43.23 | cbreak | ... lame. |
| 16:43.36 | Thunder_Child | both pallies and locks can buy them |
| 16:43.48 | Thunder_Child | like talents |
| 16:44.08 | Shirik | Kraps <3 |
| 16:44.48 | Kraps | why thank you Shirik |
| 16:44.52 | Cide | you can buy talent now? |
| 16:45.03 | Cide | Shirik, you made me order your design patterns book |
| 16:45.04 | Cide | curse you |
| 16:45.14 | mikma | craps |
| 16:45.17 | Shirik | Cide, that book is a work of art equivalent to the Mona Lisa of programming |
| 16:47.12 | nicoli_s | design patterns are great |
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| 16:51.06 | nicoli_s | was one of my favorite parts of college was the classes all about design patterns |
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| 16:55.50 | Fisker | hey nicoli_s |
| 16:55.53 | Fisker | beta must be soon |
| 16:56.09 | Fisker | support pages, blue activity, conferences, etc. |
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| 17:02.16 | Thunder_Child | more than you know Fisker |
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| 17:03.54 | zenzelezz | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 17:04.15 | nicoli_s | link fisker? |
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| 17:10.58 | nevcairiel | mm WoWs sound system is so broken |
| 17:11.06 | Lopeppeppy | Rosie's almost a real cat! |
| 17:11.11 | zenzelezz | how so nevcairiel? |
| 17:11.15 | nevcairiel | so i've been wondering why wow never manages to peak over 70% cpu usage, no matter what i do |
| 17:11.15 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: victory! |
| 17:11.26 | nevcairiel | for kicks i just started wow with -nosound |
| 17:11.29 | nevcairiel | and guess what |
| 17:11.34 | nevcairiel | it runs happily >90% constantly |
| 17:11.56 | nevcairiel | with a fps increase, obviously |
| 17:12.57 | nevcairiel | not sure if its related to my intel hda (realtek codec) on board sound card, or a general wow sound weirdness |
| 17:19.00 | Lopeppeppy | We have a game plan for the next 4 weeks to ease her into being a cat so she doesn't tear anything open.... Fingers crossed, because my hand surgery is exactly 5 weeks away. |
| 17:19.18 | Fisker | demand a refund nevcairiel |
| 17:19.20 | cogwheel | work |
| 17:20.37 | zenzelezz | crosses his fingers for Lopeppeppy |
| 17:20.42 | cog|work | nevcairiel: windows vista or 7? |
| 17:21.01 | nevcairiel | 7 |
| 17:21.10 | cog|work | might have something to do with lack of hardware effects? |
| 17:21.50 | nevcairiel | i don't really want to install a XP to compare <.< |
| 17:22.05 | nevcairiel | can't WoW use OpenAL somehow? |
| 17:23.42 | nicoli_s | good luck with yer kitty training and surgery Lopeppeppy |
| 17:23.49 | amro_ | I think it uses fmod |
| 17:24.28 | cog|work | nevcairiel: i didn't get any framerate changes in XP with sound enabled and hardware, enabled and software, or disabled |
| 17:24.49 | nevcairiel | it does, amro_ |
| 17:25.13 | Lopeppeppy | thanks, nicoli_s! |
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| 17:25.39 | zenzelezz | sure, ignore me :-o |
| 17:26.02 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy, I can't please everyone all the time. |
| 17:26.15 | cog|work | rawr |
| 17:26.44 | zenzelezz | I greeted you, cheered you on and supported you; he just wished you good luck... yet you respond to him, not me |
| 17:26.47 | zenzelezz | you don't love me anymore! |
| 17:27.08 | cog|work | enough with the zenzelodrama :P |
| 17:27.14 | zenzelezz | never |
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| 17:27.18 | Lopeppeppy | he just scrolls more slowly than you do. |
| 17:27.38 | zenzelezz | excuses |
| 17:38.15 | mikma | wobwork: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkVscVBnZIU |
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| 17:58.10 | Shirik | did you see what happened yesterday, Kraps? |
| 17:58.19 | Kraps | where? |
| 17:58.32 | Shirik | WP |
| 17:58.34 | Lopeppeppy | I guess he doesn't know. |
| 17:59.15 | Shirik | one of the admins set out to delete nearly 50k articles (with a potentially valid reason) |
| 17:59.57 | Kraps | link? |
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| 18:00.45 | Shirik | which link do you want? There's an ANI thread, an ARBCOM case, 3 proposed policy changes (CSD, PROD, and a new policy "DUB") |
| 18:00.52 | Kraps | lol |
| 18:01.02 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#BLP_deletions |
| 18:01.05 | Shirik | I guess that's the most relevant |
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| 18:01.36 | Shirik | Where it started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents/Rdm2376's_deletions |
| 18:02.02 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to guess that the process did not go well? |
| 18:02.19 | Shirik | oh it's still ongoing :) |
| 18:02.33 | Shirik | also |
| 18:02.35 | Shirik | Kraps |
| 18:02.38 | Shirik | today is Shirik day apparently! |
| 18:03.15 | Shirik | also hi Lopeppeppy |
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| 18:04.34 | Kraps | shirik day? |
| 18:04.53 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Shirik#Happy_Shirik.27s_Day.21 |
| 18:05.49 | Kraps | niiiiice |
| 18:06.09 | Shirik | I know, I get excited about shiny pixels |
| 18:06.10 | Shirik | :P |
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| 18:06.58 | Lopeppeppy | Hi, Shirik. |
| 18:07.11 | Kaso | I cant send mail in between two of my characters |
| 18:07.12 | nicoli_s | i love QAing other peoples shit |
| 18:07.40 | Lopeppeppy | Still, Kaso? |
| 18:07.41 | Kraps | wow rewriting policy |
| 18:07.44 | Kaso | yup <> |
| 18:08.01 | Shirik | yeah Kraps |
| 18:08.02 | Kaso | every time i try, i get the little "mail waiting" icon, check the mail nothing there |
| 18:08.07 | Kaso | then i log back onto my sender char |
| 18:08.15 | Kaso | and the mail is returned to it |
| 18:08.33 | Shirik | sadly, I don't think it will go anywhere, but as I said at WT:PROD, I really think PROD needs a change anyway |
| 18:08.41 | Shirik | and I wish it would go through |
| 18:09.27 | Kraps | bbs |
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| 18:15.08 | awweaver | Hello, people |
| 18:15.27 | alestane | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1584 *snrk* |
| 18:15.34 | awweaver | ? |
| 18:15.35 | alestane | ~hi |
| 18:15.35 | purl | hello, alestane |
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| 18:15.43 | alestane | ~hi awweaver |
| 18:15.44 | purl | Many greetings, awweaver, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 18:15.52 | cog|work | since when could PW:S be used on non-party members? |
| 18:16.24 | alestane | They added that back in the last patch, I think? |
| 18:16.26 | nevcairiel | 3.3 or 3.2, not sure |
| 18:17.41 | tem | Wow, Shirik |
| 18:17.46 | tem | I didn't know you were so active on Wikipedia |
| 18:17.53 | Shirik | sad huh? |
| 18:18.07 | nevcairiel | I hope he isnt just posting thousands of delete requests =P |
| 18:18.29 | Shirik | nah, nevcairiel, I'm an edit filter manager. If I wanted to do that, I'd just set up a filter to deny everything :P |
| 18:18.46 | nevcairiel | Is that an issue on the english wikipedia as well? |
| 18:19.05 | nevcairiel | people excessivly flagging stuff for deletion on "irrelevant" to earn points? |
| 18:19.28 | zenzelezz | stamps nevcairiel [citation needed] |
| 18:19.32 | ZorbaBeta | no, on the english wikipedia they flag stuff for deletion because they're having power trips |
| 18:19.55 | Shirik | Well, there's 3 types of deletions |
| 18:20.06 | awweaver | Time to work on my addon again... |
| 18:20.08 | nevcairiel | that is technically a power trip, you flag it to earn points, and with enough points you can be a moderator |
| 18:20.08 | nevcairiel | thus have power |
| 18:20.14 | Shirik | the CSDs ("speedy deletions") yes I think people get a little too excited and try to "earn points" |
| 18:20.17 | zenzelezz | speedy, troll and accidental? |
| 18:20.25 | Shirik | but at the same time there's very strict criteria to delete under those circumstances |
| 18:21.01 | nevcairiel | There was a talk about that problem on the german wikipedia on what people consider "irrelevant" since thats one of the easiest rules to justify for deletion |
| 18:21.09 | Shirik | AFDs require a deletion discussion (takes about 7 days) and rarely gain you any kind of "points", especially if you try to delete without a policy-based reason |
| 18:21.15 | Shirik | GERMAN wikipedia is very different |
| 18:21.20 | Shirik | I hear they have insane standards |
| 18:21.25 | Shirik | which is both a good thing and a bad thing |
| 18:21.36 | Shirik | but each WP has its own set of guidelines/policies |
| 18:21.46 | Shirik | english is a lot more lenient (imo, a bad thing, but whatever) |
| 18:22.17 | ZorbaBeta | I actually find the english one overly strict. I think wikipedia should really really go to some kind of a tiered notoriety system |
| 18:22.22 | nevcairiel | sadly the guy hosting that talk didnt want it to be recorded and i missed half of it .. fuck him :P |
| 18:23.03 | nevcairiel | speaking of, i need to continue mirroring the videos of the other talks |
| 18:23.08 | Shirik | tiered notoriety? |
| 18:23.12 | ZorbaBeta | right now it's just hugely inconsistent in terms of what's on wikipedia, with the added issue that some very interesting and well-researched subjects are being removed largely thanks to some moderator deciding to pull a hissy fit |
| 18:23.29 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, so they can say things like "china is important, it is ranked first-class" |
| 18:23.41 | ZorbaBeta | "this random politician in bumfuck, kansas is not important, he is fifth-class" |
| 18:24.07 | zenzelezz | it's p-p... porcelain |
| 18:24.08 | ZorbaBeta | to get a little more granularity over what is probably notable and what probably isn't than moderator power trips currently do. |
| 18:24.26 | Shirik | to be honest, the admins rarely actually delete something because THEY feel it's necessary |
| 18:24.36 | Shirik | typically it gets proposed by someone else and then deleted by an admin in agreement |
| 18:24.47 | Shirik | but you're right there is some interpretation |
| 18:25.07 | ZorbaBeta | sure, but all that leads to is friends of moderators, people who want to suck up, or people who have an axe to grind proposing it |
| 18:25.19 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:25.28 | Shirik | I think you're taking this to a whole new level of conspiracy |
| 18:25.36 | ZorbaBeta | I'm not saying it's a conspiracy at all |
| 18:25.50 | ZorbaBeta | I'm saying it's just natural human behavior. people want to feel powerful, and so they do |
| 18:26.18 | ZorbaBeta | I'm saying there need to be more limits on that and more tolerance for things that are perhaps not vastly important. |
| 18:27.30 | Shirik | there are many who agree with you |
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| 18:27.46 | Shirik | and as a result, this arbcom case :P |
| 18:29.19 | amro | not enough sockpuppets |
| 18:29.49 | Lopeppeppy | wants a meatpuppet |
| 18:30.16 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 18:30.19 | kdtresh | gives Lopeppeppy some backwater. |
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| 18:31.16 | Lopeppeppy | Water is for horses. I want rum! |
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| 18:32.21 | kdtresh | can't think of any vague connections between rum and meatpuppets, sorry >< |
| 18:32.45 | kdtresh | digs around for the morgan anway. |
| 18:39.18 | nevcairiel | are there any desktop motherboards with an onboard intel gfx chip? |
| 18:42.14 | kdtresh | define "desktop motherboard" |
| 18:42.18 | amro | yes |
| 18:42.25 | awweaver | \AddOns\Jerklist\JerkList.lua line 84: |
| 18:42.25 | awweaver | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.25 | kdtresh | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130152&cm_re=atx_gma-_-13-130-152-_-Product |
| 18:42.28 | amro | avoid them like the plague nevcairiel |
| 18:42.30 | kdtresh | that's micro atx |
| 18:42.38 | awweaver | What is wrong with it... |
| 18:42.40 | amro | actually, track them down and burn them |
| 18:42.44 | kdtresh | not sure why anyone would want onboard intel gfx |
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| 18:43.13 | amro | maybe he wants to rid the world of their evil? |
| 18:43.39 | nevcairiel | i want to build a linux workstation, no real 3d usage short of some opengl for the window manager, and the intel driver has worked reliable for me on my laptop, what i cannot say about the nvidia or ati drivers <.< |
| 18:44.01 | amro | awweaver: for a =0, #JLIgnoreList do |
| 18:44.08 | awweaver | o |
| 18:44.12 | amro | actually |
| 18:44.14 | amro | scrap that |
| 18:44.15 | awweaver | Im used to Java... |
| 18:44.30 | amro | for k, v in ipairs(JLIgnoreList) do print(v) end |
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| 18:44.49 | awweaver | now im confused... |
| 18:44.56 | amro | awweaver: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html |
| 18:44.59 | amro | ~pil |
| 18:44.59 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 18:45.07 | awweaver | yes yes i know... |
| 18:45.09 | amro | pil is short for keeping that under your pillow |
| 18:45.12 | amro | read it then |
| 18:45.48 | awweaver | Im lazy... |
| 18:46.10 | cog|work | ~laziness |
| 18:46.11 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 18:46.41 | cog|work | learn lua once and then you can be as lazy as you want |
| 18:46.48 | amro | indeed |
| 18:47.07 | awweaver | meh |
| 18:47.16 | amro | also, saying you're lazy when you ask for help is quite rude. we're all lazy and busy as well, we don't have time to hold hands |
| 18:47.37 | cog|work | also |
| 18:47.40 | cog|work | ~wowprogramming |
| 18:47.41 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 18:48.00 | cog|work | teaches you exactly as much Lua as you need to know to program in WoW, and also teaches you how to program in WoW |
| 18:50.02 | cog|work | and 2nd edition should be out in a couple weeks =) |
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| 18:53.47 | cog|work | staples kd3 |
| 18:53.49 | awweaver | sigh... |
| 18:54.58 | Taroven | awweaver: Try "for a=0, #JLIgnoreList do", or just "for k,v in ipairs JLIgnoreList do print(k,v) end" |
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| 18:55.42 | cog|work | need parens around JLIgnoreList in the 2nd one |
| 18:55.45 | cog|work | and amro already said that :P |
| 18:55.48 | Taroven | whoops, heh |
| 18:56.14 | Taroven | Ah, now I see amro's. =P |
| 18:56.20 | wereHamster | Shirik: do you have by any chance QNX somewhere installed? |
| 18:56.33 | Shirik | yes, but not currently accessible |
| 18:56.35 | Shirik | why? |
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| 18:57.28 | wereHamster | Shirik: someone I know needs libcpp.so.4 |
| 18:57.38 | Shirik | le sigh |
| 18:57.43 | Lopeppeppy | snuggles Cog into some parens. |
| 18:57.48 | Shirik | that library is the cause of much pain |
| 18:58.10 | Shirik | I had a version of QNX that was compiled on gcc 2.95 but I was using gcc 4.2 |
| 18:58.12 | Shirik | very incompatible |
| 18:58.17 | wereHamster | oh, and I'd need the ppc version |
| 18:58.22 | Shirik | what's worse is it CAME with gcc 4.2 |
| 18:58.27 | cog|work | curls up in the parenthesy goodness |
| 18:58.42 | Shirik | ah unfortunately I only have the x86 version installed wereHamster :( |
| 18:58.42 | awweaver | I still get the same error... |
| 18:59.15 | wereHamster | Shirik: is qnx free to download and use? |
| 18:59.19 | Shirik | yup |
| 18:59.29 | Shirik | well it's dual-licensed |
| 18:59.34 | Shirik | there's an open source license |
| 18:59.37 | wereHamster | ok, I'll see if I can install it in a VM |
| 19:00.15 | Taroven | *sigh* Hate trying to mine on a pvp server. |
| 19:00.18 | awweaver | ok for some reason i get the error expected do on this line "for k,v in ipairs JLIgnoreList() do " why is this? |
| 19:00.35 | Taroven | "for k,v in ipairs(JLIgnoreList) do" |
| 19:00.35 | Shirik | http://www.qnx.com/download/group.html?programid=18770 |
| 19:00.56 | awweaver | i understand now, inpairs is a function... |
| 19:01.06 | Taroven | ipairs is the function, awweaver, not JLIgnoreList, |
| 19:01.25 | awweaver | yes, thanks |
| 19:02.59 | awweaver | limit must be a number....grumble grumble grmble |
| 19:04.27 | Nechckn | cog|work second edition, you say? funky. |
| 19:05.04 | cog|work | feb 8 according to amazon |
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| 19:09.15 | cog|work | nearly 1500 pages |
| 19:09.19 | cog|work | http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470481285.html |
| 19:10.52 | Nechckn | Congrats! very, very cool. |
| 19:11.24 | Lopeppeppy | Wootski. |
| 19:11.48 | cog|work | casts misdirect on jnwhiteh |
| 19:12.10 | Nechckn | I still stand by my request that it should be one of the few things that Ye Olde Curse needs to add to the "store"! |
| 19:12.44 | Nechckn | What better item, other than some tasty coffee or RedBull could they add, right? |
| 19:13.14 | nevcairiel | you could just get it from amazon |
| 19:13.30 | Nechckn | True, true, but you get the idea. |
| 19:14.10 | cog|work | (the preceeding /me was meant to direct praise away from myself, since I didn't have nearly as much involvement in the 2nd ed, and actually caused quite a bit of grief to all involved early on in the project... credit where credit is due and all) |
| 19:14.13 | Nechckn | Rather than waiting for the card and stuff.. maybe even signed by the esteemed authorgroup? |
| 19:14.49 | Nechckn | Now *that* would be a premo item. |
| 19:15.01 | wereHamster | Shirik: hm, requires a license key. I guess I need the evaluation version |
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| 19:16.27 | kd3 | lmao... fark: Actual headline: "SoCal braces for 4th day of rain, wind and weather." Weather? Dear God. How will they survive weather? [Asinine] |
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| 19:18.07 | Lopeppeppy | My vet had to cancel his trip to California, he was going to visit friends that were told they would likely have to evacuate. |
| 19:18.20 | cog|work | eep |
| 19:18.32 | Lopeppeppy | he was grumpy at our checkup today. |
| 19:19.01 | Nechckn | Likely because you nipped his finger while he was doing your physical. |
| 19:19.19 | cog|work | bops Nechckn |
| 19:19.20 | Lopeppeppy | I don't bite unless I know someone's had their shots, and you never know where a vet has been. |
| 19:19.59 | olafski | bleh love my new guild.. people who sign up as "accept" for raids rather than "tentative" get priority, but there's no penalty for not showing up if you accepted >_< |
| 19:20.10 | olafski | I might as well accept everything and decide whether to show up when the raid starts |
| 19:20.26 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, I bet that's what everyone is doing. How long before there's a penalty, do ya think? |
| 19:20.49 | Nechckn | or the guild disbands hehehe |
| 19:21.05 | jnwhiteh | Nechckn: who do we need to talk to to have tha thappen |
| 19:21.07 | jnwhiteh | that's a great idea =) |
| 19:22.06 | olafski | shouldn't be long lopeppeppy :) |
| 19:22.11 | Nechckn | I suggested it to Bryan when the store was being set up - I *think* I even suggested it to NeT, too. |
| 19:22.37 | olafski | they got all elitist on me for signing up as tentative |
| 19:22.45 | olafski | 17 signs, about 10 of them showed |
| 19:24.33 | Nechckn | Shall I bring my pitchfork and torch to Curse HQ? A nicely stirred group of rabble tends to push such decisions/actions along, jnwhiteh. |
| 19:24.59 | nicoli_s | wait what |
| 19:25.14 | nicoli_s | why would you torch us? |
| 19:25.24 | kd3 | we need a reason to torch people? |
| 19:25.30 | kd3 | >.> |
| 19:25.39 | nicoli_s | well a guy as nice as me you do :) |
| 19:25.40 | cog|work | showing up with torches doesn't necessarily imply intent to torch ;) |
| 19:26.03 | nicoli_s | although im not technically at curse HQ, thats where muh paycheck comes from and i cant have ya fuckin wit hthat |
| 19:26.28 | Nechckn | Why not would be more the question... for the reason kd3 gave. But... we wants signed WoWProgramming available from the store!! |
| 19:27.58 | Nechckn | Initial thought was just the book, but, hey, those with inked love notes would be even better! |
| 19:30.21 | Nechckn | (Digital sigs on a Kindle are just not the same) |
| 19:33.12 | Seerah | wants more amazon gift cards in the store. been waiting for a couple weeks to get her new treadmill... |
| 19:34.45 | Lopeppeppy | I just got a Gazelle from Amazon with gift cards. :) |
| 19:36.35 | Nechckn | Bah, you "health stuff" types... |
| 19:36.56 | Seerah | ...... I'm an "unhealthy" type |
| 19:37.23 | Nechckn | hehehe |
| 19:37.27 | Seerah | stamina is awful now for singing (that's what I do and how I make my money), knees are getting bad, strength is gone, clothes aren't fitting..... |
| 19:37.33 | Lopeppeppy | Me too, hence getting an exercise unit that folds up, that I can use in my tiny apartment. |
| 19:37.52 | Lopeppeppy | Gazelle is made of awesome for small spaces. |
| 19:38.34 | Seerah | I was concerned about getting an elliptical (especially without trying it first) because of my small stature. Is your gazelle fine for you, Lopeppeppy? You're a bit taller than me, but... |
| 19:38.34 | Nechckn | But it looks so girly in action |
| 19:38.43 | Nechckn | Which I understand is not an issue for you. |
| 19:38.50 | Seerah | lol |
| 19:39.41 | Lopeppeppy | It seems just fine to me, Seerah. Go to big places like Sears and stuff and see if you can find one to try out. I tried my girlfriend's, she's 5'7", I'm 5'1" ... it's pretty universal. |
| 19:39.47 | kd3 | sfw; awesome video: http://fora.tv/2008/12/12/Mike_Rowe_on_Discovery_Realization_and_Lamb_Castration |
| 19:43.21 | Seerah | it's been so warm and rainy here, there's a little bit of green stuff appearing in the yard, and the buds on the trees are just starting to appear |
| 19:43.42 | Lopeppeppy | I'm due to see 50 degrees on Monday. |
| 19:43.55 | Seerah | yay :) that's tons better than your ice storms :) |
| 19:44.05 | Lopeppeppy | Last winter really sucked for that. |
| 19:46.46 | olafski | lopeppeppy: do you make any addons? i don't recall seeing your name on any :$ |
| 19:48.47 | Seerah | she didn't say where her gift cards were from |
| 19:49.45 | olafski | and I didn't ask :P |
| 19:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | olfaski, I am the fantastic non-programming dinosaur. |
| 19:50.00 | Seerah | rawr |
| 19:51.03 | olafski | :) |
| 19:51.29 | Lopeppeppy | I have play-tested, proofread, brainstormed, and given tons of amoral support! But nothing yet of my own, 'cause alestane hasn't designed my online course yet. |
| 19:52.09 | Lopeppeppy | I require a list of obscure liqueurs, go go go! |
| 19:52.42 | nicoli_s | vodka! |
| 19:52.44 | nicoli_s | beers! |
| 19:52.55 | kd3 | a tactical nuke! |
| 19:53.02 | kd3 | mm... haven't had one of those in a few years |
| 19:53.05 | Lopeppeppy | ... obscure, froofy, alcohols. |
| 19:53.19 | Lopeppeppy | Jagermeister qualifies, for example. |
| 19:54.24 | durcyn | jager's froofy? |
| 19:54.28 | durcyn | also, absinthe |
| 19:55.34 | Nechckn | Galliano, Limoncello |
| 19:56.02 | Nechckn | Anyone who drinks grayhounds has to know those! |
| 19:56.19 | Lopeppeppy | it hits 2/3 points, durcyn, so it qualifies. |
| 19:57.19 | Nechckn | Although not froofy, if I absolutely love Grand Marnier |
| 19:58.14 | Nechckn | that came out a bit wrong.. but I really think that obscure is very different from froofy. |
| 19:58.33 | Nechckn | Benedictine is a good one |
| 19:58.49 | Nechckn | Aquavit |
| 19:59.22 | Nechckn | Are you talking about like stocking a bar and ensuring you have mostly decent stuff or like just other stuff? |
| 19:59.33 | durcyn | i think she's planning her weekend. |
| 19:59.55 | Nechckn | Campari is kinda meh |
| 20:00.29 | Nechckn | bartended for a few years for kicks |
| 20:00.45 | Nechckn | It made saving money very, very easy. |
| 20:01.43 | Nechckn | Sys Admin during the day and bartender at a place with a 3500 person capacity a few week nights and the weekend. |
| 20:01.54 | Lopeppeppy | What's the bright green one... um... |
| 20:01.56 | Nechckn | Gawd, how I am still alive... |
| 20:02.55 | Nechckn | taste like watermelon? |
| 20:06.28 | Kraps | awww sheeeet http://kotaku.com/5453747/the-mass-effect-2-launch-trailer-has-it-all?autoplay=true |
| 20:06.57 | Lopeppeppy | chartruese? |
| 20:08.19 | Nechckn | could be, yeah |
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| 20:13.43 | Nechckn | Midori is much more common, though. |
| 20:13.52 | Nechckn | In the US, anywhoo.. |
| 20:14.50 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, I think that gives me enough to think through... *hummy hum hum bartending hum* |
| 20:15.40 | Nechckn | chambord can be utterly amazing - and if you like berries, it is decadent |
| 20:15.59 | Lopeppeppy | mm, raspberries |
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| 20:16.55 | Nechckn | That is one of the few that if you have not had it, straight, sipped or chilled and then up - you are missing out |
| 20:17.30 | Nechckn | Tehre are some mixed drinks with it.. but it loses out. Sort of like taking single malt scotch and mixing it with Coke. ;-) |
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| 20:21.34 | Nechckn | Did anyone see the Conan Bugatti last night? |
| 20:22.07 | Nechckn | Some how I doubt they actually purchased it, though. |
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| 20:27.21 | durcyn | it was a rental |
| 20:27.31 | durcyn | but the whole spectacle cost NBC $1.5m |
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| 20:28.44 | durcyn | this is on top of the $45m in severance pay that he and the cast are getting |
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| 20:31.31 | Nechckn | So why was it 1.5 million? for the song rights? |
| 20:34.59 | nicoli_s | i dont see what the fuss is over conan, not very funny to me |
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| 20:44.43 | Nechckn | I basically agree, nicoli_s |
| 20:45.11 | Nechckn | Not that Jay Leno is like some genius, either =) |
| 20:45.30 | nicoli_s | agreed |
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| 20:52.56 | Shirik | no wereHamster |
| 20:53.04 | Shirik | you need to acquire a community license |
| 20:53.12 | Shirik | it does require a key but that key is simple to get |
| 20:53.38 | Nechckn | piratebay? |
| 20:53.41 | Nechckn | hehehehe |
| 20:53.47 | Shirik | ... it's free |
| 20:53.50 | Shirik | legally |
| 20:53.56 | nicoli_s | piratebay doesnt even work anymore i thought |
| 20:54.00 | Nechckn | I kid, I kid |
| 20:54.04 | kd3 | pb's working just fine |
| 20:54.16 | zenzelezz | thought Piratebay just switch from tracking to DHT |
| 20:54.23 | zenzelezz | +ed |
| 20:55.09 | Bruners | nicoli_s: pfft, i downloaded warcraft 3 autorefresher from piratebay 2 days ago |
| 20:55.25 | nicoli_s | o, i havent used it in forever, thought it got shut down |
| 20:55.48 | Nechckn | I actually did as well, nicoli_s |
| 20:56.13 | zenzelezz | it did get shut down |
| 20:56.18 | zenzelezz | but when has that stopped pirates? |
| 20:56.25 | Nechckn | hrm... good point. |
| 20:56.33 | Nechckn | Heee Harrr! |
| 20:57.11 | Bruners | i only use pirate bay for legal downloads |
| 20:57.15 | zenzelezz | Suprnova down, haha! We defeated the Intarweb thieves! |
| 20:57.41 | nevcairiel | they should've learned by now that killing one page like that just spawns 10 other pages that want to fill the void |
| 20:57.48 | nicoli_s | lol i remember suprnova |
| 20:58.06 | zenzelezz | Pirate Bay was pretty much a side effect of Suprnova going down |
| 20:58.13 | zenzelezz | wonder if RIAA ever thought of that |
| 20:58.28 | kd3 | riaa? think? |
| 20:58.28 | Bruners | the plan was obviously to scare people |
| 20:58.29 | kd3 | hahaha |
| 20:58.35 | zenzelezz | kd3: good point |
| 20:58.51 | Bruners | but they forgot that not everyone on the internet is from america |
| 20:58.58 | zenzelezz | Bruners: yeah. Sadly all it did was tell the general public "oh, you can get stuff easily and free online!" |
| 20:59.16 | zenzelezz | (sadly for RIAA) |
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| 20:59.44 | nevcairiel | I can only re-iterate what i said before: actually provide digital copies of stuff online (mostly tv shows and movies), and they would make money off some of thoe people downloading stuff thats simply not available in their country |
| 21:00.05 | Shirik | Are "Ramifications" typically negative? |
| 21:00.11 | Shirik | or can it be used both positively and negatively? |
| 21:00.15 | Nechckn | But, I am sure we want to keep our programming brethern in jobs, so none of us would eveer use things without payment. |
| 21:00.16 | Lopeppeppy | I'd love to download all of M.A.S.H. Won't buy the set, because it's too bulky. |
| 21:00.19 | Nechckn | Both, Shirik |
| 21:00.29 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, it can be neutral depending on the sentence and context. |
| 21:01.14 | Shirik | "Perhaps we should not consider this as "PROD" but a new mechanism, so as to avoid confusing the two, but wholly support the spirit and ramifications of the solution." <-- (ignoring that you probably don't know what PROD is) |
| 21:01.18 | Bruners | nevcairiel: isnt it enough that you can watch the show on german tv 6 months after? |
| 21:01.21 | Shirik | hopefully ramifications does not sound like an attack to it |
| 21:01.34 | nevcairiel | 6 months? i wish, and its also in the wrong language |
| 21:01.46 | Bruners | nevcairiel: you just have to close all ears and don't use the interwebs to avoid spoilers |
| 21:01.50 | Lopeppeppy | "potential outcomes" ? |
| 21:02.25 | Lopeppeppy | potential benefits? or just plain "potential" |
| 21:02.34 | Bruners | nevcairiel: why do germans and french people insist on dubbing everything ? |
| 21:02.34 | nevcairiel | besides, tv is inconvenient, with the fixed air time, and all |
| 21:02.42 | Bruners | i saw the x-files in french |
| 21:02.42 | Lopeppeppy | Spirit and ramifications just sounds...weirdness. |
| 21:02.43 | Nechckn | Shirik I think that is one of the aforementioned neutral uses but Lopeppeppy has some good ideas |
| 21:02.47 | Bruners | like wtf |
| 21:03.00 | Shirik | it's hard to understand if you don't know where it's coming from Lopeppeppy :/ |
| 21:03.03 | nevcairiel | because we can, and have enough citizens to care |
| 21:03.06 | Shirik | I don't know how to clarify that really |
| 21:03.17 | Lopeppeppy | Probably part of the problem, Shirik. Use words you think work best, dear. |
| 21:03.35 | nevcairiel | not that i like it, but once the population reaches a certain size, people tend to care about dubbing :P |
| 21:03.42 | Kraps | "When I crit with Hand of Freedom, my computer shuts down and won't let me log back into WoW." |
| 21:03.56 | Shirik | Kraps knows what that sentence says! |
| 21:04.00 | Lopeppeppy | Woot! So stop critting. |
| 21:05.15 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, you can understand the sentence, tell Shirik if ramifcations are too rammy. |
| 21:05.24 | Shirik | wel he doesn't know what I'm supporting though |
| 21:05.28 | Shirik | but he knows what PROD is :P |
| 21:05.48 | Shirik | oh btw Kraps, now there's an RFC open for the issue |
| 21:06.00 | zenzelezz | just use "consequences" if you're unsure |
| 21:06.09 | Shirik | as if ANI, ARBCOM, WT:PROD, and WT:CSD weren't enough |
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| 21:06.29 | Shirik | I think wikipedia exploded overnight :P |
| 21:06.30 | zenzelezz | now go express the problem in BNF |
| 21:06.33 | nevcairiel | consequences is more negative then ramifications, imho :P |
| 21:06.53 | zenzelezz | ramifications also sounds negative |
| 21:07.03 | zenzelezz | peppy's suggestion is the least negative of the three |
| 21:07.08 | Lopeppeppy | outcomes |
| 21:08.13 | Lopeppeppy | potential |
| 21:08.23 | Lopeppeppy | I already said that one, sorry. |
| 21:08.39 | Nechckn | intent! |
| 21:08.48 | Shirik | it's ok I already posted my message :P |
| 21:08.49 | Shirik | thanks though |
| 21:08.59 | Nechckn | bah... you are no fun, Shirik |
| 21:09.15 | Nechckn | We could have been doing this all day. Mean. |
| 21:09.27 | zenzelezz | don't use big words when uncomplicated words are sufficient to transmit the message |
| 21:09.55 | Nechckn | It's an RFC - Big words mandatory |
| 21:10.10 | zenzelezz | I don't think he was posting in the RFC |
| 21:10.18 | Lopeppeppy | Rage Fire Chasm? |
| 21:10.21 | Lopeppeppy | *innocent* |
| 21:10.30 | zenzelezz | Request(s) For Comments |
| 21:11.08 | zenzelezz | and interesting way to specify standards and stuff on the Internet |
| 21:11.13 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/cursor_disco.gif |
| 21:11.23 | zenzelezz | *an |
| 21:11.24 | Lopeppeppy | won't. You can't make me. |
| 21:11.29 | Shirik | different RFC zenzelezz, but yes I was :P |
| 21:11.42 | Shirik | it was a request for comments, but not your super-internet-standard RFC |
| 21:11.52 | zenzelezz | then what a silly thing to call it |
| 21:11.56 | Shirik | ... |
| 21:11.59 | Shirik | it is a request |
| 21:12.02 | Shirik | for people to comment |
| 21:12.06 | Shirik | request for comments |
| 21:12.18 | zenzelezz | doesn't make it less silly |
| 21:12.42 | amro | even wowwiki had RFCs. |
| 21:13.06 | zenzelezz | a lot of institutions have them; nothing wrong about it |
| 21:15.09 | amro | so what's silly about? |
| 21:15.13 | amro | s/about/about it/ |
| 21:15.41 | zenzelezz | silly and wrong aren't synonyms |
| 21:17.51 | Bruners | nevcairiel: how good are the dubbings really? |
| 21:18.08 | Nechckn | Ouch... Supreme Court basically just removed any sort of cap on campain contributions from companies or organizations. |
| 21:18.08 | Bruners | nevcairiel: i'm just used to norwegian texting, which can be horrible at times |
| 21:18.25 | Shirik | o.o |
| 21:18.28 | Shirik | really? |
| 21:18.31 | Nechckn | Not that there was much of one before, but now it will just be totally insane. |
| 21:18.46 | Shirik | on what grounds? |
| 21:18.55 | Nechckn | because they're people, silly |
| 21:19.20 | Shirik | huh? |
| 21:19.28 | nevcairiel | Bruners: they are done properly and usually pretty good, just that some word plays get lost in the translation, and well .. original is just cooler :) |
| 21:19.46 | nevcairiel | Bruners: but if i go to the cinema and they dont offer the english version, its still kinda good |
| 21:20.18 | nevcairiel | just that english would be better ;) |
| 21:20.23 | Nechckn | Shirik http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f17287a0-06aa-11df-b426-00144feabdc0.html |
| 21:20.26 | Bruners | nevcairiel: it's only cartoons that get dubbed here, and i refuse to watch them |
| 21:21.00 | nevcairiel | is it like in the eastern countries, where one voice does all the characters? :P |
| 21:21.17 | Bruners | nope, they do it properly |
| 21:21.48 | Bruners | the english original jokes makes sense compared to norwegian ones |
| 21:22.01 | Nechckn | Shirik As "We find no basis for the proposition that, in the context of political speech, the government may impose restrictions on certain disfavored speakers" That now cements their place as people. Next they will likely be able to vote directly. |
| 21:22.23 | nevcairiel | they usually even care to fix jokes to make sense again as good as they can |
| 21:22.35 | nevcairiel | like i said, we have enough people to do it properly |
| 21:22.56 | amro | Nechckn: that's pretty bad |
| 21:24.04 | Nechckn | It may be a bit of hyperbole, to say that, but it is surely not far from what some have been lobying to do for years via law. Now they don't need a law. |
| 21:24.16 | Nechckn | lobbying, even. |
| 21:25.28 | Nechckn | And everyone thinks RIAA and such are "tough" now? Ha! |
| 21:25.46 | amro | it's not like DC wasn't already sloshing around in corporate cash |
| 21:25.51 | Nechckn | Wait for them to, now, be able to dump tons of cash on the "right" candidate. |
| 21:26.05 | Nechckn | amro Of course |
| 21:26.06 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
| 21:26.37 | Nechckn | But, as that article states, the PACs were regulated - no such thing now. |
| 21:27.03 | Nechckn | And all the sneaky ways they "support" folks now do not have to be sneaky. |
| 21:27.50 | Slackwise | http://www.youtube.com/html5?betasignup |
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| 21:38.31 | Shirik | oh shit tornado o.o |
| 21:38.34 | Shirik | very nearby |
| 21:39.17 | mikma | wat |
| 21:39.40 | mikma | run in the shelter perhaps? |
| 21:45.32 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 21:45.50 | nicoli_s | shirik, if you die can i have yer stuff |
| 21:46.15 | durcyn | his stuff is going to be spread over the countryside if he kicks off |
| 21:46.41 | nicoli_s | yah but i mean like his bank account and family and friends and stuff |
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| 21:47.12 | durcyn | you don't have your own family and friends? |
| 21:47.18 | nicoli_s | yah but i want moar |
| 21:47.34 | Nechckn | lol... good lord, why? |
| 21:47.50 | Nechckn | Is your family not trouble enough? |
| 21:48.03 | Nechckn | I have a few relatives I can gladly provide, if you like. |
| 21:48.33 | nicoli_s | only if they are worth something to me |
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| 21:50.13 | tem | Nechckn, the car was on loan |
| 21:50.48 | Nechckn | tem so just for the song, then? Yikes! |
| 21:51.04 | Nechckn | I can't imagine the ears and tails were much of that amount... =) |
| 21:51.16 | tem | I imagine it cost them some money to get the car there |
| 21:51.22 | tem | and for the priviledge of borrowing it |
| 21:51.36 | amro | is there a free video editor that has features such as adding overlays and labels? |
| 21:52.15 | Nechckn | It is LA, after all, though, tem - likely a dealership there. But, I suppose a couple bucks here and there. |
| 21:52.54 | Nechckn | Still stupidly pricey - which I realize is sort of the point, but since they are leaving, why not call, "live" and make a 1m donation to quake relief, instead? |
| 21:53.25 | Nechckn | That could have been funny - for much the same reason - and actually benefited someone/thing. |
| 21:54.52 | Nechckn | "Hi, Conan here. Yeah, listen fund president person, I just am calling from my show here, you ever heard of it? Yeah, leaving soon.. So, was just calling to let you know that NBC has authorized me <Big wink to audience> to offer you 1.5 million for your cause." |
| 21:55.24 | Nechckn | Sorry.. just thought of that now.. |
| 21:55.39 | Nechckn | ends Conan talk and requests forgiveness. |
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| 23:02.24 | shifuimam | so i'm developing addons for RoM, but someone suggested that I come here for help since both use LUA |
| 23:02.29 | shifuimam | does anyone here do any RoM addon dev? |
| 23:03.39 | Nechckn | shifuimam As you can guess, it likely comes down to whether it is a genreal Lua issue/question or something specific to the RoM implementation. |
| 23:04.01 | shifuimam | well, i'm trying to figure out what event is happening when the in-game style shop is opened |
| 23:04.05 | shifuimam | OnLoad() and OnShow() aren't it |
| 23:04.17 | Nechckn | If you have code that is not working as expected, you can put it in http://wowuidev.pastey.net and then return the link here. |
| 23:04.57 | Nechckn | Okay... that is the sort of specific thing.. but if you just leave the question and wait, someone may have an idea. |
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| 23:05.42 | shifuimam | ti's not very complex: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131776 |
| 23:06.07 | nicoli_s | ugh, i hated doing rom addon dev |
| 23:06.15 | shifuimam | basically when the user closes the style shop (i was trying OnHide() since the aforementioned other two weren't working), i wanted it to reset to defaults |
| 23:07.05 | shifuimam | everything else works fine. I put a "Reset" button in so that you can still reset to defaults; i just wanted to make it automagic for the benefit of the user |
| 23:08.02 | Nechckn | http://wowprogramming.com and http://wowwiki.com both have functions from WoW, perhaps see if there is one there that they are using? |
| 23:08.54 | shifuimam | i'll take a look. i've already looked trhough the widget events on theromwiki |
| 23:08.56 | shifuimam | which is also hosted by curse |
| 23:10.16 | Nechckn | Just hope that whoever was doing the naming was in the same "zone" as Blizzy person. |
| 23:11.11 | shifuimam | heh |
| 23:11.43 | Nechckn | Have you tried any "official" RoM forums? |
| 23:12.11 | Nechckn | has no idea about RoM... so just tossing out ideas. |
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| 23:12.44 | shifuimam | yeah, there's an official forum hosted by the US distributor. problem is, not many peole there do anything with addon development |
| 23:13.09 | shifuimam | this is totally new territory for me, as well. i haven't gotten into actually developing any real addons; this one i'm working on just manipulates an existing in-game frame via XML |
| 23:13.32 | Nechckn | maybe try on the actual dev forum? Even if it is not English, you could get lucky. |
| 23:13.38 | Nechckn | If you can post, et cetera. |
| 23:13.44 | shifuimam | i don't even know if there is one. i'll have to look |
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| 23:16.39 | Nechckn | trying to remember... someone was doing a few RoM AddOns. |
| 23:18.26 | shifuimam | i wish there was a bigger community around it :( |
| 23:18.55 | Nechckn | did you try http://rom.curse.com/forums/5245.aspx ? |
| 23:19.07 | Nechckn | seems it has at least some posts |
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| 23:19.37 | shifuimam | hm no...i haven't. thanks for the link |
| 23:20.47 | Nechckn | The other thing I'd try is figuring who has a lot of AddOns on there and hit them up via a note and see if they cannot help or at least provide some insight. |
| 23:21.39 | kd3|hate`net | grr |
| 23:21.40 | Nechckn | Or pop open a few of those AddOn on Curse and see what they are doing. |
| 23:21.52 | shifuimam | yeah |
| 23:21.55 | Nechckn | Lol, that good, kd3? |
| 23:22.19 | kd3 | I don't get it... it's been doing just fine for a while. what changed today? |
| 23:23.11 | Hjalte_ | jnwhiteh: Your 2.1 AOSP build sounds nice. I am almost considering trying it out. |
| 23:23.25 | jnwhiteh | Hjalte_: it IS really nice =) |
| 23:23.56 | Nechckn | shifuimam http://rom.curse.com/downloads/rom-addons/details/advancedauctionhouse.aspx seems to do a decent amount with the AH frame - maybe in it or the guy. |
| 23:24.13 | shifuimam | i may contact the guy. i've looked through that code, and it's epically long |
| 23:24.18 | Nechckn | I shall now halt my bothering you with things you likely thought of. Best of luck with it! |
| 23:24.58 | shifuimam | that's okay :) thanks for the help |
| 23:25.16 | shifuimam | i hadn't thought before to see if curse had an addon forum for rom, so i'lld efinitely post there and see if anyone responds |
| 23:35.57 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
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| 23:40.48 | shifuimam | how do i replace my addon on curseforge? do i just upload a new file with the same name? |
| 23:41.31 | Nechckn | Once approved, yes |
| 23:41.37 | shifuimam | okay |
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| 23:54.52 | kd3 | wtfs at this hamster wheel |
| 23:54.56 | kd3 | http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51S1RPtEatL._SL500_AA280_.jpg |
| 23:55.17 | Dagmar | Oh thta's coool |
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| 23:55.40 | Dagmar | Not exactly a bike for a *male* hamster, but nonetheless... |
