| 00:00.15 | bleeter | Shirik: I note no one in here's bothered to change /topic for you, they must hate you! ;) |
| 00:00.18 | WobWork | well, yes, but you can't chat to them ingame from out of game =P |
| 00:00.35 | Shirik | or nobody lives in australia like you :P |
| 00:00.36 | WobWork | Happy Birthday Mr Rik |
| 00:00.56 | bleeter | WobWork: you hear that, you're a nobody |
| 00:01.01 | WobWork | Damnit |
| 00:01.01 | Shirik | yup |
| 00:01.01 | cogwheel | Azzurite: learn lua imo... the experience will surely come in handy later, whether you continue using Lua outside of wow or not :) |
| 00:01.03 | WobWork | I take it back then |
| 00:01.06 | Shirik | :P |
| 00:01.09 | WobWork | Unhappy Birthday Mr Rik |
| 00:01.16 | Shirik | <3 |
| 00:01.28 | bleeter | Shirik: tbh, it was around 11:30 I changed /topic, figured it'd work for Kiwis and other Pacific peoples |
| 00:01.32 | Azzurite | i know java, c++, perl |
| 00:01.48 | WobWork | you can never know enough languages |
| 00:01.58 | Azzurite | yea |
| 00:02.01 | cbreak | Lua's easier than each of those |
| 00:02.04 | cogwheel | depending on your definition of "know", it should be a cinch to learn Lua then... |
| 00:02.04 | Shirik | 80% of people that "know C++" don't know C++ |
| 00:02.05 | WobWork | and lua is easier than a lot |
| 00:02.16 | cbreak | Lua's a very bare bones language with a powerful syntax and an almost inexistent api |
| 00:02.16 | Azzurite | sure i dont know c++ |
| 00:02.17 | wereHamster | stand back, I know regex! :) |
| 00:02.20 | cogwheel | Shirik: jinx to your conceptually equivalent qualification! |
| 00:02.25 | Shirik | :P |
| 00:02.30 | Azzurite | i dont think anyone knows c++ completely |
| 00:02.31 | bleeter | Shirik: 95% of people who 'know' a language, don't |
| 00:02.46 | WobWork | I know about 40% of C++ maybe |
| 00:02.56 | bleeter | good grasp != know |
| 00:02.59 | cogwheel | bleeter: 95% of statistics are pulled out of Fisker's mom's ass |
| 00:03.04 | Shirik | cogwheel, I came across something new in C++ the other day |
| 00:03.08 | Shirik | it was pretty awesome |
| 00:03.21 | cogwheel | C++ ... the final frontier |
| 00:03.23 | WobWork | ok, how about "I am aquainted with C++"? |
| 00:03.27 | WobWork | acquainted? |
| 00:03.28 | bleeter | cogwheel: 95% of Fisker was pulled out of his mom's ass |
| 00:03.35 | cogwheel | BURN |
| 00:03.40 | WobWork | bleeter: like Bono? |
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| 00:03.57 | bleeter | WobWork: I don't think Bono was pulled out of Fisker's mom's ass |
| 00:04.10 | WobWork | according to south park, something similar at least |
| 00:04.41 | cogwheel | Azzurite: http://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Programming-Reference-Creating/dp/0470481285/ref=tmm_pap_title_1 imo ;) |
| 00:04.45 | cogwheel | ducks |
| 00:04.51 | bleeter | QUACK |
| 00:05.00 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Archavon%27s_Log |
| 00:05.02 | Arrowmaster | cogwheel just wants the referrals |
| 00:05.02 | kd3 | sighs |
| 00:05.08 | cogwheel | if a ram is a male goat, and an ass is a donkey, why is a ram in the ass a goose? |
| 00:05.12 | bleeter | pap title lol |
| 00:05.27 | Azzurite | lol whats that crap |
| 00:05.35 | Azzurite | go away |
| 00:06.01 | WobWork | Azzurite: that's actually a serious suggestion, referrals aside =P |
| 00:06.22 | Azzurite | its not that the code is hard to understand or anything |
| 00:06.30 | Azzurite | its just i dont know wow api |
| 00:06.42 | Adys | is there a way to know whether I'm on an EU or US serv? |
| 00:06.42 | cogwheel | irrelevant response is irrelevant :P |
| 00:06.50 | Azzurite | yes |
| 00:07.00 | cbreak | Adys: ask for the language |
| 00:07.00 | WobWork | www.wowprogramming.com |
| 00:07.07 | Azzurite | if you bought the game in us, youre on a us server |
| 00:07.17 | Adys | .. |
| 00:07.22 | cogwheel | take a look at the ToC ... i have a feeling it's far more comprehensive than you've assumed |
| 00:07.28 | Adys | cbreak: that doesnt always work |
| 00:07.31 | cbreak | if it has a us prefix, it's probably american |
| 00:07.44 | cbreak | hmm. no special code for british? |
| 00:07.48 | WobWork | us prefix? |
| 00:07.49 | Adys | enGB |
| 00:07.52 | Adys | but thats not the point |
| 00:07.57 | Azzurite | enGB |
| 00:08.03 | Adys | also i think enGB client returns enUS |
| 00:08.10 | Azzurite | thats totally the point |
| 00:08.14 | Azzurite | if u have enGB client |
| 00:08.18 | Azzurite | you cant connect to us |
| 00:08.22 | Azzurite | even if u wanted |
| 00:08.24 | ScytheBlade1 | yes you can |
| 00:08.25 | Adys | also i think enGB client returns enUS |
| 00:08.30 | Adys | and yes, you indeed can |
| 00:08.34 | Lopeppeppy | cuddles jnwhiteh. |
| 00:08.37 | ScytheBlade1 | people routinely do |
| 00:08.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I, as an enUS user, can install an enGB client, and connect to enUS servers |
| 00:08.58 | ScytheBlade1 | enGB people can install an enUS client and connect to enGB servers |
| 00:09.02 | Azzurite | yea |
| 00:09.06 | Azzurite | ok |
| 00:09.10 | Azzurite | i mean |
| 00:09.12 | Shirik | cogwheel, I can't get codepad to run this because it uses -Werror with gcc |
| 00:09.14 | Azzurite | ur account doesnt alllow it |
| 00:09.18 | Shirik | so don't run it |
| 00:09.23 | Shirik | no cheating and seeing the warnings! |
| 00:09.23 | Adys | it doesnt matterrrr |
| 00:09.32 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) your |
| 00:09.34 | Adys | I want to know programmatically whether Im on an US or EU serv |
| 00:09.38 | Shirik | http://codepad.org/c9aEf8Hu |
| 00:09.40 | Dagmar | Your account doesn't control which client you use. It only controls which servers you can login to. |
| 00:09.40 | Shirik | This outputs 1 |
| 00:09.43 | Shirik | Pop quiz: why |
| 00:09.44 | Dagmar | HOW IS THIS CONFUSING TO YOU |
| 00:10.23 | Dagmar | Adys: Offhand I'm guessing there might be a single server namespace, but I've not looked |
| 00:10.30 | ScytheBlade1 | there is no way to query account info through an addon |
| 00:10.38 | Arrowmaster | Adys: pull the cvar for the login sever |
| 00:10.39 | ScytheBlade1 | no way to tell if you are on an EU or US server |
| 00:10.40 | Arrowmaster | server |
| 00:10.54 | Adys | Arrowmaster: good idea |
| 00:11.03 | Arrowmaster | thats the one and only way to do it |
| 00:11.24 | Arrowmaster | cvars, they might have changed what cvars you can check though and their contents |
| 00:11.30 | cogwheel | Shirik: something about there not being a ... gah what was it called that goes in between the steps that are guaranteed to be taken points ? |
| 00:11.34 | Shirik | Hey hey hey, guys, what is that song that's in "american tails" with fivel, etc., and they have two different people singing |
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| 00:11.50 | Shirik | "an american tail" whatever |
| 00:11.59 | cbreak | you can get the realm name and guess from there |
| 00:12.03 | bleeter | hi Nechckn_AFK |
| 00:12.08 | laindir | Shirik: Somewhere Out There |
| 00:12.14 | Shirik | <3 you |
| 00:12.15 | ScytheBlade1 | realm names are duplicated across regions |
| 00:12.18 | Shirik | I can't believe you got that |
| 00:12.23 | ScytheBlade1 | there is a US Doomhammer and an EU Doomhammer |
| 00:12.32 | ScytheBlade1 | the server name in both instances is "Doomhammer" |
| 00:12.35 | cbreak | there are probably some that aren't duplicated |
| 00:12.36 | laindir | My high school jazz band performed it once. |
| 00:12.37 | ScytheBlade1 | some |
| 00:12.37 | Adys | yep |
| 00:12.42 | Adys | cbreak: yeah, some |
| 00:12.42 | cbreak | so you already know more :) |
| 00:12.51 | Nechckn_AFK | We are multiplying.. like the Bleeters!!! |
| 00:12.54 | cogwheel | ~cogwheel++ |
| 00:12.54 | Nechckn_AFK | Beware |
| 00:13.03 | Adys | Arrowmaster answered my question, why kepe up the stupider ways to do it? :P |
| 00:13.04 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: cheater |
| 00:13.10 | Adys | s/epe/eep/ |
| 00:13.11 | cogwheel | chuckles evilly |
| 00:13.27 | cogwheel | 16:12 <purl> please don't karma yourself |
| 00:13.29 | Adys | ~karma purl |
| 00:13.29 | purl | purl has karma of 33 |
| 00:13.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 00:13.35 | Adys | ~purl++ |
| 00:13.49 | Shirik | cogwheel: Honestly I don't know what you're talking about :P |
| 00:13.58 | Shirik | "steps that are guaranteed to be taken points" o.o |
| 00:14.35 | cogwheel | there's some term that is escaping me that separates the program into defined points where all side effects have taken place |
| 00:14.41 | cogwheel | or something like that |
| 00:15.04 | Arrowmaster | Adys: realmlist, patchlist, portal |
| 00:15.11 | Arrowmaster | those are the possible cvars that could be useful |
| 00:15.12 | cogwheel | same reason you can't do a[i++] = ++i |
| 00:15.48 | WobWork | Shirik: now I have that stuck in my head |
| 00:16.04 | Shirik | cogwheel: nope! |
| 00:16.32 | WobWork | Sequence points? |
| 00:16.39 | Shirik | to be fair, most compilers violate the standard on this one (with a warning) and output 2 instead of 1 |
| 00:17.13 | cogwheel | ha |
| 00:17.18 | cogwheel | i should've known |
| 00:17.20 | Jerub | hm, there are 6 toons named wheresmycow.. only 2 are tauren, one is human... |
| 00:17.31 | cogwheel | i was just reading a SO question that used trigraphs to highlight errors |
| 00:17.31 | Shirik | let's see what visual studio does |
| 00:17.39 | Shirik | :) |
| 00:18.11 | WobWork | cogwheel: http://bytes.com/topic/c/answers/217235-define-side-effects#post858629 |
| 00:18.19 | cogwheel | like IsValid(something)??!??! "Error!" |
| 00:18.52 | Dagmar | Man I hope Cryptic's STO downtime is them doing radical numbers of bugfixes on the servers for their sake |
| 00:19.12 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 00:19.13 | Dagmar | The number of missions which do not work correctly appear to outnumber the ones that do |
| 00:19.16 | Shirik | Visual Studio outputs 1 by default |
| 00:19.23 | cogwheel | Shirik: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1995113/strangest-language-feature/1995134#1995134 |
| 00:19.37 | cogwheel | comment with 102 upvotes = win |
| 00:20.11 | Dagmar | There's a bug with respawning so serious it makes my eyes water. You die in a mission and you respawn in a completely different zone. |
| 00:20.12 | Shirik | lol the wtf operator |
| 00:20.14 | Shirik | that's very win |
| 00:20.17 | Dagmar | No way to complete |
| 00:20.49 | WobWork | cogwheel: zomg, reverse array references >< |
| 00:20.57 | WobWork | a[10] == 10[a] |
| 00:21.07 | Antiarc | 10[a] wtf/ |
| 00:21.11 | Antiarc | I have never ever seen that. |
| 00:21.48 | Shirik | in Lua? |
| 00:21.53 | Antiarc | In C++ |
| 00:21.58 | Dagmar | That's because it makes head explode and careers fail |
| 00:22.05 | WobWork | in C |
| 00:22.18 | WobWork | because a[10] means *(a+10) ... and 10[a] means *(10+a) |
| 00:22.26 | Shirik | error: syntax error, near '[' |
| 00:22.39 | Shirik | I don't think you can do 10[a] in C++ |
| 00:22.58 | cogwheel | yep. pretty sure it's just a C thing |
| 00:23.17 | Shirik | because numbers != pointers |
| 00:23.26 | Shirik | to make a number a pointer, you have to explicitly cast it |
| 00:25.11 | Shirik | hm, even static_cast<char*>(2)[a] doesn't work |
| 00:25.55 | Shirik | fact of the matter is don't do that! |
| 00:30.01 | cogwheel | dereferences 0 |
| 00:30.12 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowace.com/addons/cartographer/tickets/237-if-ckknight-or-arrowmaster-do-not-want-to-support-any/ |
| 00:30.24 | Arrowmaster | so tempted to abuse my moderator power but i wont |
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| 00:30.39 | cogwheel | isn't the x86 arch's interrupt table at address 0? |
| 00:34.57 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: ugh |
| 00:35.17 | laindir | cogwheel: only for the 8086... for later processor's, it can be moved like in protected mode |
| 00:38.10 | WobWork | hehe |
| 00:38.14 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster: hahaha |
| 00:38.20 | WobWork | "One of my favorites in C++ is the 'public abstract concrete inline destructor'" |
| 00:38.46 | Lopeppeppy | Gozer the Destructor? |
| 00:39.07 | WobWork | Lopeppeppy: that's a remarkably concise definition of that... |
| 00:39.09 | Cairenn | bleeter: hope mom is okay! |
| 00:39.24 | Kraps | yeah Arrowmaster! whats the deal! |
| 00:39.25 | Lopeppeppy | cuddles bleeter |
| 00:39.39 | Lopeppeppy | Gozer is a very precise sort of destructicon. |
| 00:47.45 | Duman | hmm |
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| 00:57.41 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 00:57.57 | ReAn | Shirik, how the hell do i end up in #shiibot all the time? |
| 00:58.05 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi, Shirik. |
| 00:58.27 | Shirik | ReAn: You were spamming channels a few days ago, that's probably why :P |
| 00:58.31 | Lopeppeppy | I founded your long-lost brother, but I eated him. |
| 00:58.40 | Shirik | that's ok |
| 00:58.46 | ReAn | i was a victim of freenode's fuckupedness |
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| 00:58.48 | ReAn | but |
| 00:58.49 | Shirik | yeah I know :) |
| 00:58.50 | ReAn | i left the channel |
| 00:58.55 | ReAn | and now im in it again |
| 00:58.56 | ReAn | .... |
| 00:59.00 | Shirik | well that I can't explain! |
| 00:59.09 | Shirik | no channels have been locked for days |
| 00:59.26 | theorbtwo | ReAn: Do you have your client set up to auto-joi it? |
| 00:59.28 | Shirik | nm I figured it out |
| 00:59.34 | Shirik | fixed |
| 00:59.42 | ReAn | theorbtwo: not to autojoin shiibot |
| 00:59.46 | Adys | Shirik |
| 00:59.52 | ReAn | to join here yes |
| 01:00.01 | Shirik | Adys |
| 01:00.04 | Adys | <C:-D/> |
| 01:00.07 | Adys | is a valid xml tag |
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| 01:00.30 | Shirik | yes it is |
| 01:00.37 | Adys | its awesome |
| 01:00.41 | theorbtwo | Looks right to me. |
| 01:00.48 | Lopeppeppy | He was delicious. |
| 01:00.57 | theorbtwo | Insane, of course, but right, assuming you have an open namespace named C. |
| 01:01.01 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: um |
| 01:01.14 | Adys | no theorbtwo |
| 01:01.21 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: nm I won't say anything >< |
| 01:01.27 | Adys | C:-D is the tag identifier |
| 01:01.48 | Shirik | C is the namespace |
| 01:02.01 | Shirik | : is not a valid character for an entity name |
| 01:02.05 | Adys | oh |
| 01:02.06 | Shirik | but it is the namespace separator |
| 01:02.07 | Adys | no im an idiot |
| 01:02.11 | Adys | I was thinking of double colons |
| 01:02.16 | Iriel | A name can't start with - can it? |
| 01:02.29 | Adys | i think it can |
| 01:02.39 | Iriel | I'm looking at the spec, I think it can't |
| 01:03.02 | Iriel | hyphen is a NameChar but not a NameStartChar |
| 01:03.12 | Shirik | [Definition: A Name is an Nmtoken with a restricted set of initial characters.] Disallowed initial characters for Names include digits, diacritics, the full stop and the hyphen. |
| 01:03.32 | Adys | powerbasic (www.powerbasic.com) includes the compiler directive: |
| 01:03.32 | Adys | # BLOAT {bloatsize} |
| 01:03.32 | Adys | this increases the size of the compiled executable by bytes. this was put in the compiler in case people creating the executable don't like the small size of the generated executable. it makes the EXE seem bigger to compete with bloated programming languages:) |
| 01:03.46 | DWSR | LOL |
| 01:03.49 | theorbtwo | Cute. |
| 01:06.07 | Shirik | How the hell did lady gaga get a contract? |
| 01:06.25 | DWSR | You need to ask this question? |
| 01:06.32 | Jerub | you wouldn't lady gaga. |
| 01:07.08 | laindir | Shirik: the short answer is she's been around enough to know exactly what kind of drivel will chart high. |
| 01:07.27 | WobWork | I like Lady Gaga =) |
| 01:07.28 | Adys | http://www.xs4all.nl/~weegen/eelis/analogliterals.xhtml |
| 01:07.35 | WobWork | She's canny enough to play the system |
| 01:07.37 | Adys | theres some really insane shit in this thread |
| 01:07.42 | WobWork | without needing someone to do it for her |
| 01:07.59 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: she also got hired by polaroid to design some cameras for them. |
| 01:08.05 | Shirik | ... |
| 01:08.25 | theorbtwo | Thunder_Child: When's the last time you heard anybody talking about new polorid cameras? |
| 01:08.29 | WobWork | Shirik: She's not your usual candypop brainless 'nextnewthing' |
| 01:08.39 | Nechckn | Well, she may well have a whole group of publicists and image types - I really do not know. But, yeah, if she is willing to wear that crazy crap - do it!! |
| 01:08.41 | Thunder_Child | if her music videos are made by her, she has an amzing mind |
| 01:08.57 | Thunder_Child | theorbtwo: just now |
| 01:08.58 | Shirik | "amazing" is not the word I'd use for it |
| 01:09.01 | Nechckn | Her voice and all is decent enough... nothing too amazing, but not horrid either. |
| 01:09.03 | Thunder_Child | which is the point |
| 01:09.20 | theorbtwo | Precisely. That's why it's a good move for Poloroid. |
| 01:09.23 | Thunder_Child | i think her videos are freaky as hell, but i respect the mind it takes to come up with it |
| 01:09.23 | Arrowmaster | Adys: what the fuck |
| 01:09.27 | Thunder_Child | i know i coudlnt |
| 01:09.39 | Shirik | I think it's a good thing you couldn't |
| 01:09.41 | laindir | WobWork: I disagree... your "candypop brainless" types don't generally write hit songs... they just sing them (if it can be called singing) |
| 01:09.44 | Shirik | I think you have to be high to come up with that |
| 01:09.53 | Nechckn | Thunder_Child Drop Acid == You making the same ones |
| 01:09.56 | WobWork | laindir: yes, which is why she's not |
| 01:10.06 | WobWork | she writes her own songs |
| 01:10.08 | laindir | oh, sorry... misread that |
| 01:10.11 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: despite what you may think of it. she is thinking outside the box. that is never a bad thing imo |
| 01:10.22 | Shirik | fair enough |
| 01:10.24 | Nechckn | Is it "her" though? |
| 01:10.28 | DWSR | no |
| 01:10.30 | Thunder_Child | that i dont know |
| 01:10.33 | WobWork | no? |
| 01:10.35 | Nechckn | That is the only thing to keep in mind, that's all |
| 01:10.36 | DWSR | No. |
| 01:10.42 | DWSR | She doesn't write her own songs. |
| 01:10.43 | DWSR | Sorry. |
| 01:10.54 | Thunder_Child | ah, and the videos? |
| 01:11.09 | DWSR | She might have a hand in them, but I doubt very much that she comes up with all the choreo. |
| 01:11.11 | Thunder_Child | i assume she does those or polariod wouldnt have hired her |
| 01:11.37 | Thunder_Child | polaroid* |
| 01:11.39 | DWSR | T_C: She's probably involved in the overall process, but I doubt she does as much as WobWork and others give her credit for, having worked in that industry. |
| 01:11.40 | laindir | DWSR: looking at some of her work before she was signed, I think the music is definitely her own... the videos I can't say |
| 01:11.51 | DWSR | laindir: I have, the music isn't hers. Sorry. |
| 01:11.52 | Nechckn | It is all about image - she has been/is positioned as this Out of the Box type, so it makes sense for any "creative" company to hire her. |
| 01:11.55 | DWSR | Nothing is. |
| 01:11.56 | WobWork | haha |
| 01:11.58 | WobWork | "Lady Gaga is a natural brunette, however she had cited a reason for bleaching her hair blonde was that she was often mistaken for Amy Winehouse.[3]" |
| 01:11.59 | Arrowmaster | is polariod still a product or just a brand to be licensed? |
| 01:12.17 | Jerub | polaroid is probably getting the best press visibility they've had ina long time from there |
| 01:12.28 | Nechckn | Jerub Exactly. |
| 01:12.30 | DWSR | laindir: As soon as you're a pop star signed to a pop label, you stop making music and start writing poetry. |
| 01:12.43 | DWSR | And most of the time it doesn't rhyme. |
| 01:12.52 | Nechckn | Look at Ashton Cusher (whatever) and that other camera brand. |
| 01:12.56 | DWSR | so basically, you're just spewing mindless dribble onto a CD. |
| 01:13.02 | DWSR | Nechckn: Ashton Kutcher? |
| 01:13.14 | Nechckn | I mean, I could not care less what camera he likes... but someone does. =) |
| 01:13.30 | Nechckn | Otherwise he would not be in their commercials all the time. |
| 01:14.03 | Nechckn | Same with Lady Gaga... a year ago, she was like some side show. Now, she, through what ever means, has the spotlight, so good for her! |
| 01:14.11 | WobWork | I think she actually has a lot of influence on the direction of her videos |
| 01:14.24 | DWSR | WobWork: That's what they want you to think. |
| 01:14.39 | WobWork | And she -is- listed as the writer of the music |
| 01:14.45 | DWSR | WobWork: She would be. |
| 01:14.55 | WobWork | So, you're saying everything's a lie |
| 01:14.57 | DWSR | No. |
| 01:15.00 | laindir | DWSR: if you mean the lyrics, I think you're mistaken... the lyrics to (for example) Bad Romance are hardly poetry (pure drivel might even be appropriate), and I'm not sure she would disagree. But there are certain touches to the music that make it "catchy" and extremely effective in remixes... in a way that's different from most pop music, which is why I suspect she has at least some creative control. |
| 01:15.01 | Thunder_Child | ghost writing doesnt make you an outcast |
| 01:15.01 | Nechckn | I have not heard her actually speak on any topic, so have no real opinion of her brains or lack there of. |
| 01:15.03 | DWSR | I'm saying they're stretching the truth. |
| 01:15.06 | WobWork | and we should be ashamed at ourselves for believing! |
| 01:15.46 | Nechckn | DWSR Do you know someone who is writing it or something? |
| 01:16.09 | DWSR | Nechckn: No, but I've known people who've written/worked for other pop artists. |
| 01:16.10 | WobWork | I think she has a good grasp of what works as 'catchy' |
| 01:16.24 | laindir | WobWork: exactly |
| 01:16.24 | DWSR | And I can only infer that she is similar. |
| 01:16.31 | Arrowmaster | the only thing ive seen of her is the two songs she sung as the musical guest on the SNL hosted by ryan reynolds, one was absolutely horrible while the other was ok but she was wearing this absolutely stupid dress and trying to play the piano |
| 01:16.36 | Nechckn | I rarely believe any such "star" is doing much themselves, any more - just because they need tons of people to keep the image machine in motion. Whether the music, style, et cetera. |
| 01:16.38 | WobWork | much like Minogue's songwriter |
| 01:16.42 | Kraps | why would zarhym tag this http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418981134&sid=1 |
| 01:16.47 | Nechckn | So knwoing where she begins/ends is almost impossible. |
| 01:17.05 | WobWork | Nechckn: have you heard Amanda Palmer? |
| 01:17.07 | DWSR | Nechckn: The exact boundaries, I'll agree. |
| 01:17.16 | DWSR | Nechckn: However, she definitely isn't in control of everything. |
| 01:17.19 | DWSR | though people will claim she is. |
| 01:17.25 | WobWork | DWSR: who claims that? =P |
| 01:17.40 | DWSR | WobWork: No one here. |
| 01:17.57 | WobWork | however, I don't figure Lady Gaga to be the type that gives up complete control, to any degree |
| 01:18.01 | DWSR | but I know people who are like "Oh, she does all her own music videos and choreo and writes her own songs" |
| 01:18.14 | Nechckn | That is the point, is all... just that after they get passed the local 'scene' they are rarely the only voice in anything they do. The same for actors and other celebs these days. |
| 01:18.16 | DWSR | And I just 8\ |
| 01:18.17 | WobWork | She probably writes her own songs, she's certainly capable |
| 01:18.40 | DWSR | WobWork: I suppose it depends on what your definition of 'writes' is. |
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| 01:19.07 | Nechckn | WobWork the name is familiar, though not even sure why, tbh. |
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| 01:19.18 | laindir | I don't think the definition really matters since we're all just speculating. |
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| 01:19.32 | WobWork | Nechckn: She used to be half of the Dresden Dolls |
| 01:19.33 | DWSR | fuck freenode. |
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| 01:19.39 | WobWork | but she's got a solo career now |
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| 01:19.41 | DWSR | what was the last you saw from me? |
| 01:19.45 | WobWork | (and awesome music) |
| 01:19.46 | Nechckn | Ahhhhh, gotcha. Now that name I know. |
| 01:19.55 | WobWork | (12:18:40 PM) DWSR: WobWork: I suppose it depends on what your definition of 'writes' is. |
| 01:19.55 | theorbtwo | Hm. I listened to her do a cover of Viva La Vida not long ago. Many people love it, I absolutely detest it... but it shows she's got some musical talent. |
| 01:20.04 | kd3 | 20:18:16> DWSR: And I just 8\ |
| 01:20.07 | DWSR | (20:19:07) DWSR: She, in no way, is comparable to someone like Bob Sinclar or another electronic artist, who literally produces everything by themselves. |
| 01:20.24 | DWSR | Not that I'm claiming that music to be better, but the whole process is different. |
| 01:21.02 | theorbtwo | DWSR: And her piano isn't good enough to do live, but is probably OK for studio work. |
| 01:21.17 | kd3 | grr! no, I don't want snowballs |
| 01:21.20 | kd3 | gimme the damn mount! |
| 01:21.33 | DWSR | theorbtwo: Meh, I played classical piano to a pretty high level, though I haven't seen her play live, so I'll refrain from comment. |
| 01:21.35 | theorbtwo | OK, that might not even be true, since I think she didn't really prep for that cover. |
| 01:21.50 | theorbtwo | DWSR: I haven't seen her, but I have *heard* her. |
| 01:21.59 | DWSR | theorbtwo: You know what I meant. ;) |
| 01:22.23 | Adys | Shirik |
| 01:22.24 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/147738/ |
| 01:22.29 | Adys | Some guy did this in ruby, I got annoyed. |
| 01:22.49 | DWSR | Anyway, my point is basically the fact that you require little to no talent to become a platinum artist. |
| 01:22.59 | Shirik | there is something severely wrong with you |
| 01:23.04 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, bite Adys's head off please |
| 01:23.19 | WobWork | recommends Amanda Palmer, in any case |
| 01:23.26 | Lopeppeppy | sizes up Adys to eat him from the ears down, like a twisted sort of easter rabbit. |
| 01:23.36 | laindir | WobWork: <3 |
| 01:23.41 | DWSR | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 01:23.42 | theorbtwo | DWSR: Sure -- but I'm not sure that it follows that Lady Gaga has no talent. |
| 01:23.43 | WobWork | http://whokilledamandapalmer.com/videos.php |
| 01:23.50 | DWSR | theorbtwo: Nor am I claiming as such |
| 01:24.03 | WobWork | (and she's engaged to Neil Gaiman!) |
| 01:24.08 | WobWork | (Not Lady Gaga) |
| 01:24.20 | Lopeppeppy | KT Tunstall uber alles! |
| 01:24.32 | Arrowmaster | do all of her songs get the autotune treatment? |
| 01:24.33 | laindir | WobWork: WHATTT??? their children will be... too young for me ;_; |
| 01:24.42 | DWSR | Remind me who Amanda Palmer is? |
| 01:24.47 | Nechckn | Look at someone like Imogen Heap, who I did see live last month. Some of the things she does are wild. And msot of it is all her, creating the things, live. |
| 01:24.47 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: all artists do these days |
| 01:25.02 | laindir | Lopeppeppy: also yum |
| 01:25.03 | Nechckn | Really makes you think about what it is that makes a song |
| 01:25.04 | DWSR | Nechckn: She is definitely someone who I would believe does EVERYTHING herself. |
| 01:25.18 | Arrowmaster | maybe all pop artists |
| 01:25.19 | DWSR | Nechckn: And the reason I believe that is purely because she's not super popular, like Gaga is. |
| 01:25.30 | WobWork | DWSR: Did you watch the Golden Globes? |
| 01:25.35 | Lopeppeppy | All of life is a stage, who do we complain about being entertained? |
| 01:25.39 | DWSR | WobWork: No. |
| 01:25.53 | WobWork | She was originally in a duo called The Dresden Dolls |
| 01:25.55 | DWSR | WobWork: I'm going to assume you're about to tell me that she won a bunch of awards. |
| 01:26.10 | WobWork | her music can be described as cabaret punk |
| 01:26.21 | WobWork | (No I'm not =)) |
| 01:26.32 | DWSR | oh, then I don't care, no offense. |
| 01:26.43 | WobWork | Only worthwhile if she won awards? |
| 01:27.06 | WobWork | I was referring to the Globes, cause there were photos of her and Neil |
| 01:27.07 | Arrowmaster | Nechckn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW6jW9y59JY |
| 01:27.27 | Nechckn | But.. yeah.. it is all like scale, anymore. Those who are on their way up often are innovative and have new ideas, but, much like politics, their minds and creativity get stomped in order to move up. |
| 01:28.00 | Nechckn | Not to say it has not always been that way, but it surely seems more opressive now. |
| 01:28.04 | theorbtwo | I don't think it's just that. |
| 01:28.06 | Nechckn | eesh |
| 01:28.12 | DWSR | WobWork: No. |
| 01:28.16 | DWSR | WobWork: I just don't care, period. :P |
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| 01:28.27 | WobWork | well aren't -you- the stick in the mud =P |
| 01:28.33 | DWSR | :) |
| 01:28.35 | WobWork | in that case bugger off |
| 01:28.43 | DWSR | np: 1.. HTiD 22 - Re-Con [62:44m/116kbps/44kHz] |
| 01:28.45 | Nechckn | Reooooowwww |
| 01:28.46 | DWSR | lol |
| 01:28.50 | WobWork | I posit my suggestion to the better people in the channel =) |
| 01:28.51 | DWSR | the ultimate in cheese, btw. |
| 01:28.55 | theorbtwo | When you are on your way up, you don't have the money for an audio engeneer to carefully fix up every error, to buy songs off of a writer, and get a producer for your audio, and for your video. |
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| 01:29.01 | laindir | DWSR: artistic merit aside, I would definitely consider Dresden Dolls and/or Palmer's solo work to be worth a listen. |
| 01:29.01 | theorbtwo | You do it all yourself because you have to. |
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| 01:29.24 | theorbtwo | Afterward, you hire the best, and they make you just like all their other clients. |
| 01:29.26 | DWSR | laindir: Noted. |
| 01:29.45 | Nechckn | theorbtwo But there is a point where that sort of homogenization is bad. Since everyone is using "the best". |
| 01:29.59 | theorbtwo | Oh, absolutely. |
| 01:30.11 | Nechckn | At least all those in the international fame scene... =) |
| 01:30.42 | laindir | Nechckn: I think that's the defining characteristic of "Pop" ...which is why it's tolerable only in small doses. |
| 01:31.06 | Nechckn | But, I've been in and dealt with a few bands - nothing wild, but even at the very beginning there are like the managers and such pushing you to one way or another. |
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| 01:31.49 | theorbtwo | You also have a lot more leway to tell your manager to go fuck himself when you still have a day job. |
| 01:31.57 | Nechckn | So, there could be some with a real talent for singing, songwriting, et cetera - but just about any notable "Singers" or performers are just packaged crap. |
| 01:32.13 | Kraps | never know it rains in AB |
| 01:32.39 | Nechckn | Within AB? |
| 01:32.48 | Nechckn | huh.. don't think I've seen it. |
| 01:32.52 | Kraps | yeah |
| 01:33.44 | Nechckn | Arrowmaster that vid is pretty wild ;-) |
| 01:35.15 | Nechckn | But... the autotune on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmcCzB8fwLo&feature=video_response is so much better. |
| 01:35.29 | DWSR | Nechckn: Yeah, it gets foggy too |
| 01:36.00 | DWSR | Autotune is just vocoding. |
| 01:36.05 | DWSR | which has been around for fucking ever. |
| 01:37.05 | Nechckn | But now it is like cheap and everywhere |
| 01:37.09 | theorbtwo | Yeah, autotune being used for artistic effect is somewhat new, but pitch-correction is ancient. |
| 01:37.12 | PProvost | DWSR: http://www.xxlmag.com/online/?p=21583 |
| 01:37.20 | theorbtwo | (FSVO, obviously.) |
| 01:39.06 | DWSR | PProvost: Auto-tune uses vocoding, as the article states. |
| 01:42.22 | DWSR | I have to say, though, that auto-tune sounds so good when I'm drunk. |
| 01:42.28 | DWSR | That's probably why all the rappers use it, tbh. |
| 01:42.33 | PProvost | Yes, I was agreeing with you |
| 01:42.34 | PProvost | :) |
| 01:42.39 | DWSR | s/drunk/drunk and\/or high/ |
| 01:43.13 | DWSR | btw. |
| 01:43.20 | PProvost | But it has such a cool new name! And that vocoder thing is so... Framptom |
| 01:43.22 | DWSR | Drinkin' noggenfogger 'lix cuz it's classic. |
| 01:43.30 | DWSR | I'm on a mount! |
| 01:44.23 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzcirEwN2Sg <- btw. |
| 01:44.49 | Nechckn | DWSR The Cylons from Battlestar Galactica used the EMS Vocoder5000 and a ring-modulator to create their duo-tone voice effects =) Weeeee! |
| 01:44.56 | DWSR | yep |
| 01:45.22 | Nechckn | That is from the silly article on wikipedia, but it is fun to see who/what expanded out like that. |
| 01:46.24 | Nechckn | Oh, lol, and Soundwave from the Transformers - who can forget Soundwave? |
| 01:46.40 | WobWork | And Nickleback =( |
| 01:46.46 | Nechckn | thinks he was the best, even if he transformed into a stupid tape deck. |
| 01:47.04 | DWSR | LOL |
| 01:47.08 | WobWork | Nechckn: he was awesome cause the toy came with tiny little tape robots that were easily lost |
| 01:48.11 | Nechckn | we could not afford him, he was in the upper echelon of transformers, iirc. |
| 01:48.33 | tem | Have any of you done ICC yet this week? |
| 01:48.35 | Nechckn | There were like the cheaper ones and then the "deluxe" models, like OPrime |
| 01:48.41 | tem | (or are in it now) |
| 01:48.56 | Nechckn | tem No, are you going to carry my lame butt through? |
| 01:49.05 | tem | negative |
| 01:49.18 | Nechckn | Bah.. mean. Figured it was worth a shot, anywhoo... |
| 01:49.20 | tem | I'm curious if anyone else is having problems with the trash before marrogar |
| 01:50.57 | Dagmar | We just pound them until they stop fighting back. |
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| 01:51.06 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:52.14 | Nechckn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Aponi_Brightmane is actually sort of neat story development. |
| 01:52.29 | Nechckn | Even if I think the sun = holy is a bit off. |
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| 02:02.27 | Nechckn | Geez... who would think a Republican could even come close to taking Ted Kennedy's old seat. |
| 02:02.41 | Nechckn | Well, maybe a few months ago, anyway... |
| 02:02.59 | Nechckn | halts political blabbering but thought it was noteworthy. |
| 02:03.49 | tem | oh rofl |
| 02:03.58 | tem | I just got an awesome offspec weapon |
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| 03:06.27 | kd3 | rofl. there's a guy on the science channel cosplaying as vash the stampede |
| 03:06.37 | kd3 | they must've filmed this ep at a con |
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| 03:06.49 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: ping |
| 03:06.58 | Adys_ | new router \o/ |
| 03:07.00 | Adys_ | hurray |
| 03:07.48 | kd3 | zomg, connecting more than one thing to the net at a time |
| 03:07.56 | kd3 | what will those crazy geeks think of next? |
| 03:08.16 | Adys_ | idd |
| 03:08.25 | Adys_ | my old router had heating problems :( |
| 03:08.30 | Shirik | who here knows how to use the "patch" tool in Photoshop? directions no es working |
| 03:08.41 | Shirik | I try to do the patch and then photoshop is all like "lolno" |
| 03:09.07 | kd3 | right-click the location you want to copy from |
| 03:09.14 | kd3 | or shift-click or something. the status bar should tell you which |
| 03:09.20 | kd3 | then click-and-drag the area you want to repair |
| 03:10.33 | Shirik | I think you're confusing it with the clone tool? |
| 03:10.50 | Shirik | patch tool should require you to create a source area and then basically make a copy of it onto another place |
| 03:10.51 | kd3 | maybe. or thinking in gimp terms |
| 03:14.54 | Shirik | ok I took a FRAPS of it |
| 03:16.13 | Shirik | ok no I didn't because fraps hates me |
| 03:21.10 | Shirik | Iriel, do you know photoshop at all? o.o |
| 03:22.17 | Iriel | ish |
| 03:22.24 | Shirik | nm, I just used the clone tool with a heavy feather and it worked fairly well |
| 03:27.01 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: pong |
| 03:27.08 | Shirik | too late! |
| 03:27.12 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 03:27.22 | Thunder_Child | meanders back to reading |
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| 03:34.26 | tem | I want to know what's out the windows in the blood prince room |
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| 03:39.06 | Guest83516 | I want to see the Blood Prince. |
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| 03:48.48 | DWSR | Yo dawg, I heard you like spellpower. |
| 03:49.01 | DWSR | So I put some spellpower in your raid, so you can spell power while you raid. |
| 03:49.10 | Cloudwolf | Any one know a good free program that can rip cds into mp3 files? |
| 03:49.17 | DWSR | Winamp. |
| 03:49.20 | DWSR | EAC. |
| 03:49.24 | DWSR | dbPowerAmp |
| 03:49.29 | DWSR | iTunes |
| 03:49.32 | DWSR | Windows Media Player |
| 03:49.43 | Cloudwolf | DWSR mp3 format requriets winamp pro |
| 03:49.51 | DWSR | Oh yeah. |
| 03:49.55 | DWSR | has never paid for Winamp. |
| 03:49.58 | kdtresh | i use audiograbber |
| 03:50.01 | DWSR | Others are all valid. |
| 03:50.03 | DWSR | Audiograbber works. |
| 03:50.06 | kd3 | cdex? |
| 03:50.08 | DWSR | I use EAC. |
| 03:50.12 | DWSR | cdex is fucking garbage. |
| 03:50.22 | Cloudwolf | what rips to the highest quality would you say? |
| 03:50.31 | DWSR | EAC |
| 03:50.31 | Arrowmaster | EAC |
| 03:50.41 | kdtresh | anything with mp3 is lossy |
| 03:50.46 | DWSR | It also requires some additional configuration. |
| 03:50.51 | DWSR | And what kdtresh said. |
| 03:50.56 | DWSR | If you're looking for quality, go to FLAC. |
| 03:51.05 | Arrowmaster | EAC is the only thing people use for high quality flac rips |
| 03:51.12 | DWSR | If you're listening to your shit on an iPod in a subway, use something else. |
| 03:51.14 | kdtresh | i've been happy with audiograbber + LAME mp3 variable bitrate |
| 03:51.29 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: dbPA and rubyripper are starting to become popular. |
| 03:51.32 | Cloudwolf | I would use flac if i knew winamp works with it lol |
| 03:51.34 | DWSR | Though, they're still not quite up to part |
| 03:51.38 | DWSR | Cloudwolf: It does. |
| 03:51.45 | Cloudwolf | sounds good |
| 03:51.54 | theorbtwo | is quite fond of foobar2000, partly for having a great name. |
| 03:52.00 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:52.04 | DWSR | Best player ever. Hands down. |
| 03:52.14 | Arrowmaster | if foobar2000 worked on linux i would be using it |
| 03:52.23 | DWSR | lol |
| 03:52.24 | kdtresh | i believe studies have shown that most people can't tell the difference between a 128kbps and 320kbps |
| 03:52.27 | DWSR | It does, if you havewine. |
| 03:52.37 | DWSR | kdtresh: Yeah, I can, though |
| 03:52.48 | kd3 | good speakers++ |
| 03:52.57 | DWSR | Most people don't listen to it on equipment that will allow them to distinguish, though |
| 03:53.09 | Cloudwolf | hmm tobad winamp lags on my dads work computer so no flac for him... >.> |
| 03:53.10 | DWSR | Most people are on iPods in subways or on busy streets. |
| 03:53.23 | DWSR | Cloudwolf: fb2k. Lightest/best player on Windows, imo. |
| 03:53.31 | DWSR | For audio. Video is VLC hands down |
| 03:53.41 | Arrowmaster | VLC is crap |
| 03:53.45 | kd3 | ^ |
| 03:53.56 | DWSR | Then give me an alternative ON WINDOWS. |
| 03:54.02 | DWSR | Because I wouldn't use VLC on nix. |
| 03:54.02 | Arrowmaster | MPC-HC |
| 03:54.05 | Cloudwolf | meh im using vlc for video because its free |
| 03:54.09 | kd3 | whatever the cccp uses? |
| 03:54.16 | kd3 | mpc-hc iirc |
| 03:54.19 | kdtresh | i use media player classic in windows |
| 03:54.22 | kdtresh | definitely |
| 03:59.08 | tem | OH |
| 03:59.31 | tem | the crap in the windows is a scene from where the blood princes were from |
| 04:01.51 | Jerub | vlc is awesome. |
| 04:01.54 | Jerub | mplayer is... yuck. |
| 04:02.08 | tem | prince down |
| 04:02.39 | tem | princes* |
| 04:02.45 | tem | also, that fight is werid |
| 04:02.47 | tem | weird* |
| 04:02.48 | kdtresh | Jerub: mpc or wmp? |
| 04:03.00 | Jerub | kdtresh: i don't know what you're saying. |
| 04:03.11 | Cloudwolf | ugh at needing to dl an encoder for EAC to rip mp3's along with the encoder not being semi un tech savy friendly... |
| 04:03.16 | kdtresh | are you talking about media player classic or windows media player? they're different animals |
| 04:03.22 | DWSR | Cloudwolf: Actually...it's super easy. |
| 04:03.23 | Jerub | i just know mplayer looks like a tech demo with a trashy ui, and vlc is a useful piece of software. |
| 04:03.30 | Cloudwolf | can't find the exe it wants |
| 04:03.31 | kd3 | mpc yay. wmp yuck |
| 04:03.32 | Jerub | kdtresh: oh, you're talking about windows stuff. |
| 04:03.46 | Jerub | kdtresh: I'm talking about mplayer. as in. mplayer. mplayer mplayer. |
| 04:03.48 | pompy1 | tem: yeah, and if the kinetic bomb gets to high , it engages Lana'thel |
| 04:03.59 | Arrowmaster | i use smplayer |
| 04:04.02 | kd3 | mplayer's gui is crap. smplayer's better. I just use the shell |
| 04:04.09 | kdtresh | mpc: http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/ |
| 04:04.10 | Cloudwolf | DWSR it wants me to dl lame however its asking to be poitned to a specific .exe which i am lacking inf inding |
| 04:04.10 | theorbtwo | mplayer, windows media player, and media player classic are three different pieces of software. |
| 04:04.20 | kdtresh | sorry, i must have been mistaken then |
| 04:04.22 | DWSR | It wants Lame.exe |
| 04:04.29 | kdtresh | i like media player classic: http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/ |
| 04:04.41 | Arrowmaster | also nobody uses mpc anymore, they use mpc-hc |
| 04:04.43 | kd3 | lame.sf.net |
| 04:04.51 | kd3 | lame.exe ^ |
| 04:04.51 | DWSR | rarewares.org |
| 04:05.05 | Jerub | tem: why i am i thinking "prince albert" ? |
| 04:05.59 | kdtresh | i've never needed a lame.exe, just lameenc.dll |
| 04:06.05 | Dagmar | Because you hate your penis? |
| 04:06.28 | DWSR | That's because EAC doesn't do any encoding internally. |
| 04:06.33 | DWSR | It passes everything off to CLI encoders. |
| 04:07.03 | kdtresh | ah |
| 04:09.59 | DWSR | EAC rips to wav files first. |
| 04:10.11 | DWSR | It runs tests on those files to make sure taht they were copied accurately. |
| 04:10.16 | DWSR | then it transcodes them to whatever you set it up to to |
| 04:10.18 | DWSR | to do* |
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| 04:16.41 | Nechckn | that rarewares is sort of interesting, dwsr. |
| 04:17.25 | Nechckn | What we really need is like the Library of Congress to begin accepting/hosting/making such things available. Once their license allows, of course. |
| 04:18.14 | Cloudwolf | libraby of congress providing a website to dl freeware? |
| 04:18.30 | DWSR | Nechckn: It's very useful. |
| 04:18.32 | Nechckn | Yep |
| 04:18.44 | Nechckn | Especially Old Code. |
| 04:19.06 | Cloudwolf | Would be awsome to see but i'm not sure it'll happen any time soon. Were number 17 on the list of nations with quality/number of broadband. |
| 04:19.07 | Nechckn | Heck, they maintain some really tiny "books" so why not software? |
| 04:19.17 | Cloudwolf | Korea is number 1 of course. |
| 04:19.58 | Cloudwolf | Honestly i doubt that the library of congress would really care or not. |
| 04:20.14 | Arrowmaster | they already do have a catalog of freeware/shareware |
| 04:20.51 | Nechckn | Arrowmaster but I mean make it available - unless they do. |
| 04:21.01 | Arrowmaster | they do, i dont know about online though |
| 04:21.19 | Nechckn | Just saying that, as with the old Usenet posts that Google was going to "host", some things would be nice not to lose. |
| 04:21.37 | kd3 | the hell? "Windows plagued by 17-year-old privilege escalation bug' |
| 04:21.43 | kd3 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/19/microsoft_escalation_bug/ |
| 04:28.16 | tem | fuck my life |
| 04:28.24 | tem | sub 1% wipe on putricide |
| 04:28.42 | tem | we should have done blood queen first |
| 04:38.14 | Shirik | kd3: The fun part? the only reason not EVERY version of Windows is vulnerable is because 64-bit Windows removed that "feature" |
| 04:38.17 | Shirik | not because they did something right |
| 04:43.21 | Shirik | wow, 50 cent's website just crashed my sound card |
| 04:44.55 | WobWork | ironic =P |
| 04:45.21 | Nechckn | That is what you get for listening to his "music". |
| 04:45.39 | Nechckn | Your machine revolts! |
| 04:46.07 | Shirik | I don't listen to his music |
| 04:46.11 | Shirik | I was trying to do someone a favor, lol |
| 04:47.45 | A-KO | so, my druid is an AOE healing monster |
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| 04:49.59 | Nechckn | Shirik Well, that is what you get for doing someone a favor! =) |
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| 05:13.30 | Kraps | now this promo is just evil http://store.steampowered.com/app/8859/ |
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| 05:29.47 | Zyn | I BOUGHT IT |
| 05:29.54 | Zyn | how you feel about that, Kraps? |
| 05:36.46 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Birthday Shirik! |
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| 05:38.09 | Dolby | Happy Birthday Shirik |
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| 05:50.19 | Kraps | Zyn: not happy |
| 05:50.44 | Shirik | thanks |
| 05:50.52 | Adys | OH MY GOD |
| 05:50.53 | Adys | Shirik |
| 05:50.55 | Adys | Happy birthday |
| 05:51.00 | Shirik | ~lart Adys |
| 05:51.00 | purl | drops a baby grand on Adys |
| 05:51.03 | Adys | and I think I just received your gift |
| 05:51.07 | Kraps | happy b-day Shirik |
| 05:51.14 | Adys | I'll see you in two days |
| 05:51.20 | Adys | I'll be a god of statistics by then |
| 05:51.47 | Shirik | o...k... |
| 05:51.55 | Adys | I am so sexy right now |
| 05:51.57 | Adys | youve no idea |
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| 06:03.09 | WobWork | Kraps: jeez a -four- pack? |
| 06:03.58 | WobWork | Kraps: Although I'm not sure the difference in buying that, or gifting a prepurchase to three other people |
| 06:04.28 | Kraps | i was talking about the buy BS 2 get BS 1 free |
| 06:04.48 | Arrowmaster | but i already have BS1 |
| 06:04.59 | Arrowmaster | and a preorder for the collectors edition of BS2 |
| 06:05.07 | WobWork | yeah, they suggest you give it to a friend then =P |
| 06:05.30 | WobWork | cause the people that are going to prepurchase BS2 already played BS1 |
| 06:05.31 | Kraps | WobWork: i dont have either |
| 06:05.47 | WobWork | Kraps: well now's your chance! |
| 06:05.57 | Kraps | i no rite |
| 06:06.01 | Kraps | :( |
| 06:06.05 | Arrowmaster | did they ever lighten up on the DRM for bioshock1 |
| 06:07.25 | mikma | shirik: yohoo! |
| 06:11.09 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:11.27 | mikma | Irssi 0.8.12 (20071006) - http://irssi.org/ <3 |
| 06:11.52 | mikma | insert breakage |
| 06:16.39 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:19.56 | mikma | ! |
| 06:21.26 | Adys | when was tbc released? |
| 06:21.39 | Adys | !g tbc release date |
| 06:21.40 | batbot | Adys: World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade - Wikipedia, the free ... <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_Crusade> |
| 06:21.44 | Adys | fu |
| 06:22.01 | Adys | hmmm 2007 |
| 06:26.18 | ZorbaBeta | arrow, I believe bioshock1 on Steam is now DRM-free, or at least, not securom |
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| 06:59.09 | tem | gah! |
| 06:59.12 | tem | 10% wipe on blood queen |
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| 07:02.48 | Babel | Anyone have much experience with animations? I'm using them for fade in and out effects, but after the animation plays the alpha value returns to what it was before the animation. I tried using a script set to fire OnFinished, but it doesn't appear to work. o.O |
| 07:06.59 | tem | woot blood queen down |
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| 07:07.20 | Jerub | tem: nice. |
| 07:07.31 | Recluse | Babel: That's how I did it - anim:SetScript("OnFinished", function() object:SetAlpha(0) end) |
| 07:09.07 | Babelfish | http://wowui.pastebin.com/m27ff16e3 |
| 07:10.56 | Recluse | after it fades out, does it just go back to faded in, or nothing happens? |
| 07:11.11 | Babelfish | Yeah |
| 07:11.40 | Fisker | why haste |
| 07:11.42 | Fisker | why? |
| 07:11.43 | Babelfish | So. If the alpha is 0 and I call FadeIn, it fades in, then returns to 0. If it's at 1 and I call FadeOut, it fades out then returns to 1 |
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| 07:14.54 | Recluse | Babelfish: Are you sure there should be 2 GetParent calls in there? Wouldn't it just be a single? |
| 07:15.01 | Babelfish | Ya, I tested it |
| 07:16.05 | Recluse | hmm |
| 07:17.00 | Fisker | why Shirik ? |
| 07:18.06 | Arrowmaster | wtf i just caught a redbull commercial while i was walking through the other room, 'also available in shots' |
| 07:18.45 | Fisker | hello Arrowmaster |
| 07:18.46 | Fisker | why? |
| 07:19.37 | Babelfish | :< |
| 07:21.27 | Babelfish | okay |
| 07:21.42 | Babelfish | The alpha is getting reset to the initial value AFTER OnFinish is called. |
| 07:21.48 | Babelfish | o.o |
| 07:27.33 | Recluse | Huh, it is - how strange. |
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| 07:30.40 | Babelfish | It seems an odd design decision to have no option to leave a frame in the final state of an animation. |
| 07:34.46 | Torhal | Cairenn: Shirik is an old man now? |
| 07:35.20 | Cairenn | not even close |
| 07:35.26 | Cairenn | he's still a puppy |
| 07:35.31 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 07:35.41 | Cairenn | ya'll are puppies :p |
| 07:36.03 | zenzio | barks and wags his tail at Cairenn |
| 07:36.05 | tem | Shirik, how old? |
| 07:36.09 | tem | 23? |
| 07:36.24 | Cairenn | some very cute puppies, that I want to pat on the head and toss a ball for you to go fetch for me, but puppies none-the-less |
| 07:40.15 | Shirik | I am an old geezer |
| 07:42.48 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/19/funny-pictures-hint-hint/ |
| 07:43.08 | Shirik | I refuse to be a cat |
| 07:43.13 | Shirik | I am willing to be a dog, but not a cat |
| 07:43.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: you are not allowed to be old. |
| 07:43.54 | Shirik | I'm sorry, i'll go kill myself now to correct this |
| 07:44.16 | zenzio | just reallocate |
| 07:47.00 | zenzio | the irony... http://failblog.org/2010/01/19/safety-fail-12/ |
| 07:50.02 | Shirik | .... I'm going to hurt someone |
| 07:50.18 | Shirik | I found one of my papers online.... check my "name" http://www.pubzone.org/dblp/conf/seke/SalamahBBPFC09 |
| 07:50.36 | Shirik | do people even look at what they're typing? |
| 07:51.56 | zenzio | of course they don't |
| 07:55.04 | Jerub | hey.... |
| 07:55.24 | Jerub | does anyone have any good material to read about running a guild? organising raids and stuff? |
| 07:55.33 | Shirik | actually, yes |
| 07:55.41 | Shirik | I know this one guy that was an absolute genius |
| 07:56.03 | Shirik | he was even featured in some magazine for having like the best run guild |
| 07:56.20 | Shirik | but unfortunately I don't know his site off the top of my head, but I can get it to you |
| 07:56.20 | Jerub | oh, i don't want to know how to be a genius |
| 07:56.29 | Jerub | I just want to learn how to not suck. |
| 07:56.42 | Shirik | How not to suck: |
| 07:56.50 | Shirik | 1) Make sure your guild name has both capital and lowercase letters |
| 07:57.09 | Shirik | 2) Make sure you don't spam trade chat about how you have 3 guild tabs and a tabard |
| 07:57.30 | Jerub | ... we /have/ a guild. |
| 07:57.32 | Shirik | 3) Set a raid time if you raid |
| 07:57.38 | Jerub | i just want to know how to /run/ one. |
| 07:57.41 | zenzio | or how you will start raiding AS SOON AS YOU HAVE ENOUGH 80S /w me |
| 07:58.16 | Shirik | 4) Kick people that deserve it without hesitation |
| 07:58.19 | tlund | Jerub: if you have to ask, you shouldn't be running one. |
| 07:58.28 | Shirik | A smaller guild is always better than a disfunctional one |
| 07:59.09 | Jerub | we're mostly social, but we've got a bunch of comptetant raiders who are basically fulltime puggers. |
| 07:59.25 | Shirik | set a raid time |
| 07:59.32 | Shirik | get people to show up |
| 07:59.39 | Shirik | if you can't get enough, recruit |
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| 08:00.43 | Jerub | k, i've gotta run, i'll ask you again shirik in a bit |
| 08:00.59 | Shirik | Um.... |
| 08:01.04 | Shirik | is balance in the negative good or bad on a bill? |
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| 08:01.30 | Shirik | it must be good |
| 08:02.06 | Shirik | Total: -1,021.75 <-- THEN WHY CAN'T I ACCESS ANY OF MY CLASSES "You haven't yet completed your tuition payments" BS |
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| 08:02.26 | Shirik | I swear to god if our moron programmers are looking for == 0 I'm going to kill someone |
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| 08:06.54 | Wobin | http://community.livejournal.com/metaquotes/7321341.html?nc=17&style=mine |
| 08:06.58 | Wobin | I'd totally watch that movie |
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| 08:32.43 | Shirik | ~dict redrum |
| 08:32.51 | Shirik | does that mean anything? |
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| 08:38.09 | NightHawkTheSane | sure does. |
| 08:38.21 | NightHawkTheSane | at least i assume you mean it in the context of The Shining? |
| 08:39.57 | Bruners | Shirik: happy birtday old sack |
| 08:40.10 | Shirik | finally someone admits I'm old |
| 08:40.24 | Torhal | Shirik: Read it backward |
| 08:40.25 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: I just saw stewie spelling out "redrum" on those little blocks with letters on them |
| 08:40.31 | Shirik | ahhh |
| 08:40.34 | Shirik | now it makes sense |
| 08:40.35 | Shirik | ha |
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| 08:40.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: which is an allusion to The Shining |
| 08:40.49 | Bruners | Shirik: you haven't seen the Shining ? |
| 08:40.53 | Shirik | no :( |
| 08:40.57 | NightHawkTheSane | you should rectify that |
| 08:41.04 | Bruners | Shirik: how old are you really? |
| 08:41.14 | Shirik | 23 |
| 08:41.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Bruners: shirik has the craziest gaps in his common knowledge :P |
| 08:41.24 | Bruners | and you haven't seen the shining |
| 08:41.44 | Shirik | I have no common knowledge |
| 08:41.50 | Shirik | I know only the most technical and useless stuff |
| 08:41.52 | Torhal | NightHawkTheSane: That's why I'm somewhat convinced that he's a Cylon |
| 08:41.59 | Shirik | um |
| 08:42.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Torhal: entirely possible |
| 08:43.07 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember much of the shining, i was quite young when i saw it but i remember redrum |
| 08:43.17 | Bruners | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081505/ |
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| 08:46.33 | Shirik | so why is this movie so important? |
| 08:46.48 | NightHawkTheSane | i wouldn't call it "important" |
| 08:46.52 | NightHawkTheSane | its just a rather good movie |
| 08:46.55 | NightHawkTheSane | made of a rather good book. |
| 08:47.00 | Arrowmaster | because its a stephen king |
| 08:47.08 | NightHawkTheSane | "redrum" has also become a social meme of sorts |
| 08:47.45 | zenzio | a coworker of mine writes it everywhere |
| 08:47.53 | zenzio | like in red marker in the mirror in the elevator |
| 08:48.26 | Shirik | you have an elevator where you work :( |
| 08:48.35 | zenzio | yup |
| 08:48.54 | NightHawkTheSane | buildings that have more than one floor often do :P |
| 08:49.03 | Shirik | I work in a 2 story building that doesn't have one :/ |
| 08:49.17 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 doesn't that violate accessibility laws or someshit? |
| 08:49.34 | Shirik | Well I don't know the laws, but there is an accessible way to get to both floors |
| 08:49.36 | zenzio | probably an old building |
| 08:49.39 | Shirik | I wouldn't.... |
| 08:49.41 | Shirik | crap |
| 08:49.45 | Shirik | I just realized there is an elevator |
| 08:49.50 | zenzio | lol |
| 08:49.57 | Shirik | The reason I forgot is because I never go in that direction |
| 08:49.58 | NightHawkTheSane | .... like i said, crazy gaps in shirik's knowledge |
| 08:50.09 | Shirik | But seriously, without the elevator I think it would be ok |
| 08:50.22 | Shirik | because the building's on a hill, so the outside entrances are on both floors |
| 08:50.50 | mikma | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/epic-fail-maze-fail.jpg |
| 08:51.03 | Shirik | rofl |
| 08:52.54 | Shirik | even better yet Mikk |
| 08:52.54 | Shirik | mikma |
| 08:52.57 | Shirik | that's the ONLY way to solve it |
| 08:53.10 | Shirik | I would have been slightly ok with it if there was another way but they forgot to close off this solution |
| 08:53.15 | Shirik | but there is no other solution |
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| 08:55.14 | mikma | :D |
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| 09:01.32 | haste | ~wowalert |
| 09:01.33 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 09:02.03 | Shirik | whaaaaaaaaat |
| 09:02.18 | Shirik | my professor asks me to go do some research on a topic, and to come back with like 10 sources |
| 09:02.26 | Shirik | I'm doing the research.... and come across a paper by him |
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| 09:07.31 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 09:07.34 | Shirik | who do you think you are |
| 09:07.35 | Shirik | mr. big shot |
| 09:09.44 | haste | Shirik: he's... your professor! |
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| 09:14.21 | ccox | personally, I just find references from his sworn enemy and leave out his own references |
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| 09:22.00 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 09:22.15 | Arrowmaster | installing IE8 seems to have blown up my dads computer |
| 09:22.27 | Arrowmaster | admin profile is reset or something |
| 09:22.40 | Fisker | i blowed your dad |
| 09:23.33 | Fisker | i mean... hello Arrowmaster |
| 09:23.55 | Arrowmaster | wow thats cool |
| 09:24.14 | Arrowmaster | you are seriously not going to fucking believe what happened |
| 09:25.08 | Fisker | raises an eyebrow |
| 09:26.03 | Adys | Shirik |
| 09:26.06 | Arrowmaster | the user profile is set to C:\Documents and Settings\TEMP |
| 09:26.16 | Shirik | Adys |
| 09:26.18 | Arrowmaster | for the administrator account |
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| 09:26.30 | Fisker | sweet |
| 09:26.38 | Adys | Shirik: do you remember who's in charge of auctioneer data? |
| 09:26.55 | Shirik | negative |
| 09:27.12 | Adys | eg whom I should ask to get an average price dump for all servers |
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| 09:35.11 | Shirik | no idea |
| 09:35.15 | Shirik | je suis desole |
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| 09:44.34 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 09:46.47 | Fisker | scissor me Shirik |
| 09:49.45 | mikma | scissorik |
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| 09:56.50 | Fisker | scissorik indeed |
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| 10:04.15 | Shirik | scissor you? no ty |
| 10:06.04 | Fisker | yes you |
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| 11:17.55 | Recluse | *sigh* why is documentation on secure frames and templates so... barren T_T |
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| 11:20.23 | Nechckn | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/secure_template |
| 11:20.31 | Nechckn | About the best around. |
| 11:21.04 | augustl | Recluse: you should get The Book as well :) |
| 11:21.20 | augustl | insta-grok of secure templates guarantee! |
| 11:21.54 | Corrodias | i'd rather bolster my collection of orc porn |
| 11:22.04 | Recluse | lol |
| 11:25.39 | Corrodias | and draenei. especially. |
| 11:25.50 | Corrodias | or however they're spelled. it's been too long. |
| 11:30.59 | Recluse | prefers draenei |
| 11:32.10 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CXdPQYUaMA&feature=player_embedded |
| 11:32.12 | Wobin | ... |
| 11:32.15 | Wobin | that's... |
| 11:32.17 | Wobin | ... |
| 11:34.18 | Corrodias | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:39.12 | mikma | wobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO33fESzmUM |
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| 11:53.41 | Fisker | punches Wobin |
| 12:16.38 | Wobin | Corrodias, Hardcore -arthas- skating =P |
| 12:17.53 | Fisker | i did it Wobin! |
| 12:18.08 | Wobin | I saw =( |
| 12:18.19 | Fisker | no i mean i got into FoS twice! |
| 12:19.03 | Wobin | mikma, are you a closet figure skating fan? |
| 12:25.46 | Wobin | =( another earthquake |
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| 12:31.50 | Fisker | baw Wobin :( |
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| 12:32.51 | mikma | wobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DlzlyPRjPM (text and speech at the end: Remember to "eat good good") |
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| 12:33.35 | olafski | that's much more pleasant |
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| 12:34.56 | Wobin | mikma, she's not Arthas =( |
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| 12:59.33 | zenzio | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/01/13/funny-demotivational-posters-branches/ |
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| 13:03.18 | Wobin | zenzio: I dunno... it's not particularly (de)motivational |
| 13:03.32 | zenzio | I know, I just found the pciture funny |
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| 13:19.12 | Ycarene | Freezing Rain is THE DEVIL! |
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| 13:44.29 | alestane | Don't think I've ever tried to log in in the middle of a netsplit before. |
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| 13:46.16 | Lopeppeppy | Why not, it's ever so fun! |
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| 13:50.46 | alestane | I woke up from a dream that started with a "ever-diminishing team of spacers trying to escape ravenous lurking alien" scenario, but by the end the alien was engaging in musical numbers as it pursued us, and I was finding these lyrics engraved on the walls and floor in snippets. I woke up at about the point where I concluded, "I'm gonna come around a corner and find a camera crew any second, aren't I." |
| 13:50.53 | alestane | I think today is going to be weird. |
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| 13:55.47 | Arrowmaster | damn i really suck at identifying songs, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEe-lanO3-U i couldnt place what the first song was from and now im facepalming over it |
| 13:56.03 | zenzio_ | Lopeppeppy: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/18/funny-pictures-your-prozac/ |
| 13:56.36 | alestane | Arrowmaster: They even introduced it with the title and context. |
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| 13:59.27 | alestane | A song from something called "Magical Girl Lilical"? |
| 13:59.37 | alestane | Well, no surprise there really. |
| 13:59.55 | alestane | She doesn't have the stereotypical Japanese idol voice, refreshing change. |
| 14:00.49 | Arrowmaster | ive seen both series and recognized both songs but couldnt place them |
| 14:02.08 | alestane | The US anime groups were flipping out over Evangelion when I was in college...I'd have to turn in my DVDs if I couldn't recognize that one. |
| 14:02.43 | zenzio_ | what lion now? |
| 14:03.29 | alestane | ~wiki Evangelion |
| 14:04.06 | alestane | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon_Genesis_Evangelion_(anime) |
| 14:04.14 | zenzio_ | oh, Neon Genesis... I've heard of that |
| 14:04.35 | Arrowmaster | obligatory final two episodes do not exist |
| 14:07.33 | cbreak | episodes? |
| 14:07.54 | cbreak | I thought the last episode was 20 minutes intro |
| 14:08.04 | Arrowmaster | but seriously im absolutely fucking horrible at identifying songs other than that i recognize it |
| 14:12.27 | Mr_Rabies | take two gaogaigars and call me in the morning you will be all better |
| 14:12.33 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKXUpP5TT2Q |
| 14:15.17 | alestane | That was dreadful. |
| 14:16.57 | Arrowmaster | i see your gaogaigar and raise you a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo7Cp3GsyxQ |
| 14:17.47 | Arrowmaster | fuck thats not the opening |
| 14:18.32 | Lopeppeppy | stalks Shirik viciously, but with great sensitivity! |
| 14:18.53 | Arrowmaster | found it! |
| 14:18.59 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYkDP5xDoO8 |
| 14:19.06 | alestane | Arrowmaster: No, that was so hideous I had to stop watching after a few seconds. |
| 14:19.24 | amro | you all fail |
| 14:19.26 | amro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YsVBjam5uE > * |
| 14:19.43 | amro | old school ftw |
| 14:21.33 | Laibcoms | O_O I didn't know that :p "Evangelion refers to a Gospel Book" |
| 14:25.40 | alestane | Chrome 'cannot open documents in "HTML Document" format'? WTF does it DO then, bake cookies? |
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| 14:26.12 | alestane | It's a web browser, viewing HTML documents is what it's FOR. |
| 14:26.13 | zenzio_ | HTML is so last year |
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| 14:32.55 | Mr_Rabies | agreed amro |
| 14:32.58 | Mr_Rabies | thus, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhMPPqOtE1o |
| 14:35.12 | alestane | Does anyone understand why, when I tell Illustrator to save an SVG, it saves my image in one corner of a large white page? |
| 14:35.45 | amro | Mr_Rabies: I see that |
| 14:35.48 | amro | and I take you back further |
| 14:35.53 | amro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW8JKCouIA4 |
| 14:36.10 | Mr_Rabies | poor grendizer |
| 14:36.17 | Mr_Rabies | he's such a cool robot |
| 14:36.19 | Mr_Rabies | but so, so ugly |
| 14:36.34 | amro | the theme is awesome! |
| 14:36.40 | Mr_Rabies | and then there's that time he fought coach mcguirk |
| 14:36.57 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibxrH9UwRCE |
| 14:38.23 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish the toei versions of the go nagai stuff was actually good like the comic |
| 14:38.36 | zenzio_ | go naga? |
| 14:39.02 | Lopeppeppy | no gaga! |
| 14:39.05 | Mr_Rabies | ~wiki Go Nagai |
| 14:39.22 | zenzio_ | applauds Lopeppeppy |
| 14:42.26 | Fisker | slaps zenzio_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:42.27 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:42.32 | Fisker | rages |
| 14:42.39 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, sushi abuse. *purr* |
| 14:46.21 | alestane | Okay, is it Chrome's SVG OBJECT support or Firefox's which is broken here? |
| 14:46.52 | amro | it's your code lestane |
| 14:46.55 | amro | +a |
| 14:47.07 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to guess Chrome as the new kid on the block, but as amro says, are you sure it's not you? |
| 14:47.10 | alestane | One stretches the graphic to the declared size of the OBJECT box (my desired behavior), the other displays it at original size in one corner of the box and fills the rest of the box with white. |
| 14:47.40 | amro | alestane: maybe there's an attribute to control that behavior? |
| 14:48.08 | Lopeppeppy | I make facepalm. Everyone's browser is going to be different, as you see. So upload the graphic the size you want people to see it. No dramatic resizing. |
| 14:48.36 | amro | protip: the browser is always right. |
| 14:49.02 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: The point of SVG is that it's a vector graphic, size is somewhat loosely defined. |
| 14:49.40 | alestane | Specifying pixel dimensions on an SVG feels sort of silly. |
| 14:50.05 | Lopeppeppy | My point is to stop doing that, and you won't wind up with wonky behaviors. You have to program for knowing that different browsers handle that behavior differently, and you can't control how they do it... so don't use the browser to decide anything about your display, if it is crucial to your design. |
| 14:50.53 | alestane | So, suck it up and deal with it. |
| 14:51.23 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. Either suck it up that different browsers will distort your design, or don't let the browser design it for you. *hug* |
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| 14:55.55 | DWSR | morning |
| 14:56.33 | alestane | CSS was supposed to standardize all these display issues and allow us to write consistent code with basically consistent results (not necessarily pixel-consistent, but at least behavior-consistent). Roughly 20 years later we're still ignoring or bypassing features because browser author cannot be bothered to READ the standard and IMPLEMENT it as WRITTEN. |
| 14:56.47 | alestane | </tirade> |
| 14:57.08 | alestane | Yes, I know the standards are evolving, moving targets, yada yada. |
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| 14:57.26 | DWSR | alestane: CSS was never intended to do that. |
| 14:57.28 | Lopeppeppy | moving targets indeed, and all of them viewing your websites on their smartphones too. *hug* |
| 14:57.36 | DWSR | alestane: CSS was developed primarily to seperate content and display. |
| 14:58.16 | alestane | And it appears that the scaling/cropping issue with SVG is present throughout Webkit. |
| 14:58.37 | Lopeppeppy | Then baby, the problem is SVG perhaps. Useth another tool. |
| 14:59.11 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: And use PNGs? *guffahs* |
| 14:59.18 | alestane | DWSR: It was also intended to provide a reasonably unified platform and help avoid browser-specific extensions as were epidemic throughout the 90s. |
| 14:59.34 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, did I say that? No. You missed the beginning of the conversation. So relax with the jabbity, okay? |
| 14:59.47 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: I'm being sarcastic. |
| 14:59.58 | DWSR | You'll find I do that. A lot. |
| 15:00.28 | alestane | No, I'm pretty sure the issue does come from the mismatch between the object size and the graphic size. Just that browsers decide to resolve that in completely different ways, which probably both made sense to the authors at the time. |
| 15:01.14 | alestane | Hmm, wonder what happens if I specify the size with CSS instead of attributes. |
| 15:01.47 | DWSR | alestane: http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/divide_by_zero.jpg |
| 15:02.28 | alestane | Okay, that's qute. |
| 15:04.48 | alestane | Nope, must not mismatch object size and display size if we want functional results, doesn't matter how we do it. |
| 15:06.12 | DWSR | told you |
| 15:06.20 | alestane | Although Chrome also produces bizzare results as you zoom in, expanding the contents and cropping them to a rectangle that doesn't increase in size. |
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| 15:09.07 | alestane | Safari appears to have similar issues. |
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| 15:12.59 | DWSR | isn't safari webkit? |
| 15:14.50 | alestane | They both are. |
| 15:18.13 | DWSR | I know Chrome is. |
| 15:19.19 | alestane | *sigh* PNG it is, I guess. This zoom thing is bizarre. It will not resize the bounding box as it zooms. |
| 15:21.00 | alestane | I can get it to, somewhat, if I define my bounding box in a relative dimension like em, but it won't scale consistently. |
| 15:21.37 | alestane | But I get nice, consistent results if I use a raster image. |
| 15:22.46 | alestane | I should see what some of these browsers do with the images on Wikipedia. Maybe it's something about my file, maybe not. |
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| 15:28.25 | Kraps | lookin like a fool with your pants on the ground |
| 15:30.06 | DWSR | IRC - more random than rand() |
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| 15:33.37 | Kraps | DWSR: pants on the ground is the biggest hit since MJs thriller |
| 15:33.54 | Kraps | youtube it |
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| 15:37.29 | DWSR | regardless, we weretalking about SVG implementations. |
| 15:38.42 | Kraps | -were- |
| 15:38.56 | Kraps | now the topic has changed |
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| 15:39.27 | Lopeppeppy | Now we are talking about scrumptious pants. |
| 15:39.40 | DWSR | are we? |
| 15:39.53 | Lopeppeppy | Well Kraps and I are. |
| 15:40.12 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.26 | DWSR | You are, are you? |
| 15:40.42 | Lopeppeppy | Scrumptious. |
| 15:41.10 | Fisker | *Bomb has been planted* |
| 15:41.47 | amro | beep, beep, beep |
| 15:42.03 | DWSR | beep, beep beep, beep beep. |
| 15:42.14 | amro | now you wish you bought that defusing kit |
| 15:42.15 | Lopeppeppy | Warning, warning! Intruder alert! Intruder alert! |
| 15:42.25 | DWSR | beep beep beep beep |
| 15:42.31 | DWSR | *boom* |
| 15:42.37 | amro | Terrorists win. |
| 15:42.40 | DWSR | Terrorists win. |
| 15:42.42 | DWSR | lol |
| 15:42.45 | Kraps | or we could talk about how i wasnt aware that crysis has such a heavy emphasis on stealth and that i ran out of bullets halfway through the first mission and i'm having problems finishing |
| 15:43.05 | alestane | Now I swear Firefox has decided my PNG is in a different color space. |
| 15:43.48 | Lopeppeppy | smexy |
| 15:44.00 | Fisker | how don't think you realize how serious this is alestane |
| 15:45.24 | Lopeppeppy | cuddles her jpgs tight. |
| 15:48.58 | DWSR | Ahem. |
| 15:49.05 | DWSR | Gentlemen. |
| 15:50.00 | Thunder_Child | you need to learn to pick up guns DWSR |
| 15:50.15 | Thunder_Child | i shoot at everything and manage to plenty of ammo left over |
| 15:50.27 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: you mean me |
| 15:50.51 | Thunder_Child | err..ya, you Kraps |
| 15:51.32 | alestane | I'm going to start Don Musicing my keyboard in a minute. |
| 15:51.47 | Kraps | i tried, i stand over the guns, but there is no pickup indicator and pressing f didnt do anything |
| 15:51.59 | Fisker | pngs Thunder_Child in the mng |
| 15:52.00 | Thunder_Child | you need to look at the gun |
| 15:52.09 | Thunder_Child | not stand over it |
| 15:52.30 | Kraps | i thought i did :/ |
| 15:52.40 | Lopeppeppy | Does anyone know the US release date of the Confucius movie? I know it hits Chinese release on Friday. |
| 15:52.43 | Thunder_Child | if you look at the gun you get a gears icon |
| 15:52.50 | Thunder_Child | thats the pickup sign |
| 15:52.51 | Fisker | imdb Lopeppeppy |
| 15:53.43 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, I already looked, it's not listed there. :P I know I've seen trailers in the theaters, was hoping someone remembered. My google fu is only finding things about the Chinese release right now. |
| 15:53.59 | Fisker | aww |
| 15:54.05 | Fisker | i hope it's never released then |
| 15:54.06 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 15:54.24 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me, monkey boy. |
| 15:54.53 | Fisker | not nice to call me steve ballmer :( |
| 15:55.27 | Kraps | HI OH |
| 15:58.45 | alestane | Apparently I'm having some kind of issue with color profiles. |
| 15:59.46 | DWSR | that's what black people said. |
| 15:59.55 | DWSR | Now one's president. |
| 16:00.47 | Kraps | i was gonna make a race joke too :( |
| 16:01.48 | DWSR | lol |
| 16:02.20 | DWSR | sorry |
| 16:02.37 | DWSR | Spah's sappin' ma thunder! |
| 16:03.23 | alestane | .... |
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| 16:20.55 | durcyn | mmmm. VG Size 12.73 TiB |
| 16:23.09 | Fisker | makes out with durcyn |
| 16:23.19 | Ackis | why does this remind me of Fisker? http://www.explosm.net/comics/1927/ |
| 16:23.30 | Fisker | quick Ackis we split the disk 50/50 |
| 16:23.45 | Ackis | what disk? |
| 16:24.00 | Fisker | [17:20:54] <durcyn> mmmm. VG Size 12.73 TiB |
| 16:24.09 | durcyn | it's 8 disks, but yeah. |
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| 16:25.30 | Shirik | Quick Fisker |
| 16:25.36 | Shirik | 60/40 |
| 16:28.08 | Fisker | so like 4,75 disk to you? |
| 16:28.20 | cog|away | the sky wet my pants |
| 16:28.55 | Kraps | cogwheel: in english we say "its raining" |
| 16:29.01 | zenzelezz | http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2010/01/20/9950638.aspx |
| 16:35.36 | cogwheel | Kraps: well i'm not in England, am I?! |
| 16:35.41 | cogwheel | ducks |
| 16:36.01 | Kraps | ~lart cogwheel |
| 16:36.01 | purl | plops cogwheel into a giant vat of herring |
| 16:36.09 | cogwheel | but srsly, even with an umbrella, in the short time it took to walk from the driveway into the building, my pants are soaked from the knees down |
| 16:37.00 | amro | wading through knee deep water does that |
| 16:37.04 | nevcairiel | you need more umbrella-fu |
| 16:37.17 | Kraps | where are you cog? |
| 16:37.48 | zenzelezz | he's right there -> |
| 16:38.05 | cogwheel | SF Bay area |
| 16:38.31 | Kraps | waves from the East Coast |
| 16:39.09 | Shirik | waves from Florida, the real East Coast |
| 16:40.12 | Kraps | what? brooklyn bitch |
| 16:40.55 | Shirik | screw NY |
| 16:40.58 | cogwheel | Shirik: FL is only 50% east coast imo |
| 16:41.00 | Shirik | so egotistical |
| 16:41.06 | cogwheel | it's also gulf coast |
| 16:41.17 | Shirik | ok |
| 16:41.23 | Shirik | see that Kraps |
| 16:41.27 | Shirik | we're TWO coasts |
| 16:41.29 | cogwheel | and it's america's wang |
| 16:41.36 | ZorbaGama | anyone know the standard healers for a 10-man raid? 2 or 3? |
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| 16:41.43 | Kraps | zomg cog |
| 16:41.44 | Shirik | depends on which 10-man |
| 16:41.46 | Shirik | lately, 3 |
| 16:41.50 | Shirik | unless you're good |
| 16:41.57 | Shirik | and I mean really good |
| 16:42.08 | ZorbaGama | yeah it's a new guild that's never raided before |
| 16:42.11 | ZorbaGama | so I'm gonna say 3 |
| 16:42.12 | Shirik | 3 |
| 16:42.28 | amro | quick question, is this standard c++? http://pastebin.ca/1759108 |
| 16:42.45 | amro | and what is it even called? nested scope? |
| 16:43.01 | zenzelezz | scopes pretty much always nest |
| 16:43.02 | cogwheel | amro: it's like doing do ... end in Lua |
| 16:43.08 | zenzelezz | and yes, it's standard |
| 16:43.09 | ZorbaGama | amro, RAII? scoping? destructors? |
| 16:43.15 | cogwheel | s/do/{/ and s/end/}/ |
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| 16:43.39 | cogwheel | and you get C++ |
| 16:43.45 | amro | neat |
| 16:44.09 | amro | was asking to make sure it wouldn't blow up in MSVC or something |
| 16:44.13 | Shirik | yes, that's called RAII |
| 16:44.22 | Kraps | Shirik: of course we're egotistical, NY is the Greatest City in the World (tm) |
| 16:44.38 | Shirik | And an example of why Java fails |
| 16:44.42 | zenzelezz | you call that RAII? Doesn't look much like initialisation to me |
| 16:44.55 | Shirik | ok, it's EXPLOITING raii |
| 16:45.08 | Shirik | the constructor and destructor is surely where the lock/unlock is happening |
| 16:45.12 | amro | yep |
| 16:45.17 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: RAII deosn't really mean what its words say |
| 16:45.19 | ZorbaGama | the technique being shown there is an example of a common benefit of RAII |
| 16:45.23 | cogwheel | in common usage, anyway |
| 16:45.38 | cogwheel | it's more about automatic destruction than initialization |
| 16:45.53 | Shirik | this is precisely why stroustrup says C++ has zero use for a "finally" keyword |
| 16:46.53 | cogwheel | and why I find it highly ironic that garbage collected languages had to come up with an extra structure to deal with resource releases (e.g. IDisposable) |
| 16:47.03 | zenzelezz | Shirik: you really should capitalise names |
| 16:47.25 | cogwheel | the "using (...) {...}" construct in C# is esentially emulating RAII |
| 16:47.29 | amro | I heard someone praise using(foo) {...} as a benefit of C# |
| 16:47.38 | amro | so I wasn't sure if C++ also had it standard |
| 16:47.44 | amro | brb, need to scold someone |
| 16:48.09 | Shirik | so wait |
| 16:48.13 | Shirik | I'm not a pro at C# yet but um |
| 16:48.17 | Lopeppeppy | pounce-snuggles Shirik. |
| 16:48.36 | Shirik | this "using" construct is like not-so-garbage-collection? |
| 16:48.47 | Shirik | it limits its scope or what? |
| 16:48.50 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 16:48.52 | cogwheel | using (var foo = new SomethingIDisposable) { /*blah*/ } |
| 16:49.06 | cogwheel | calls foo.Dispose on exceptions or at the end of the block |
| 16:49.15 | Shirik | huh |
| 16:49.23 | Shirik | that is somewhat amusing |
| 16:49.33 | cogwheel | i know, right? |
| 16:49.58 | cogwheel | garbage collected language had to bring in a feature that was "the way it's done" in a non-garbage collected language |
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| 16:50.45 | cbreak | so it's like std::tr1::shared_ptr? |
| 16:51.59 | amro | no need for shared_ptr, auto_ptr works in that case |
| 16:52.39 | cbreak | if I have a canon, why not use it for shooting at sparrows? :) |
| 16:53.02 | amro | auto_ptr makes it clear what's going on |
| 16:53.05 | cogwheel | as long as you pack the cannon with bird shot, you could probably take down the whole flock :P |
| 16:53.18 | Shirik | huh, I didn't even know China writes papers... |
| 16:53.20 | amro | shared_ptr implies that it's shared, and thus it's not clear that it gets deallocated |
| 16:53.23 | Shirik | "Mechanical and electricity of College Agriculture university of Hebei, Baoding, 071001 China" |
| 16:53.35 | Shirik | that hurt my head |
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| 16:54.00 | cbreak | I've read a paper from Microsoft Research China once. |
| 16:54.06 | cbreak | double dose! |
| 16:55.39 | Shirik | "The stereo vision needs to calibration the relative position of the camera, the direction and Camera Intrinsic and Extrinsic Parameters and so on, when it applies to 3D measurement and machine vision aspects." |
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| 16:55.53 | Shirik | I shouldn't be making fun of them though, this is good stuff actually |
| 16:56.13 | amro | Shirik: it's not an essay on humanities :P |
| 16:56.17 | alestane | Okay, evil computer has started behaving and I will no longer be tempted to commit murder in here. |
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| 16:56.40 | alestane | Nore for Mac users...Preview exports color spaces more intelligently than Illustrator CS1. |
| 16:56.44 | alestane | Note* |
| 16:57.37 | cbreak | it's from adobe. Expected anything else? :) |
| 16:57.37 | Kraps | alestane: computer murder isnt a crime... YET |
| 16:57.53 | cbreak | doesn't like Adobe |
| 16:58.01 | alestane | Kraps: I won't be tempted to murder the other people in the channel, either. |
| 16:58.03 | haste | doesn't like Flash. |
| 16:58.24 | amro | haste: what's not to like? the instability or the poor API? |
| 16:58.40 | cbreak | I think people who love flash are in the business of exploiting security holes. |
| 16:58.55 | Kraps | cbreak: flash games! |
| 16:58.58 | amro | or they simply make tweened animations |
| 16:59.16 | cbreak | there are animation formats for that... probably... |
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| 16:59.26 | amro | but anyone who touches the API willl be scarred for life |
| 16:59.49 | amro | not to mention AS3.0 quirks |
| 16:59.57 | amro | although at least it offers static typing, which is really nice |
| 17:00.00 | Kraps | come on, who doesnt like flash games? |
| 17:00.07 | amro | Kraps: people who ahve to write them |
| 17:00.39 | amro | speaking from experience here, it's a pain in the butt if you're trying to do something adobe hasn't forseen |
| 17:01.01 | cbreak | Once you escaped the sandbox |
| 17:01.07 | cbreak | you can do anything with a bit of shellcode :) |
| 17:01.16 | cbreak | not that I tried |
| 17:01.49 | amro | oh, and you can't tell it "I'M RUNNING IN DEBUG MODE, I DON'T CARE ABOUT SECURITY SANDBOXING" |
| 17:01.56 | Kraps | so whats the deal with silverlight? is it a replacement for flash? and besides microsoft uses it? |
| 17:02.11 | amro | and if you're offline, too bad. you can't change the settins without the flash applet on adobe's site |
| 17:02.23 | Kraps | s/and besides/and who besides/ |
| 17:02.27 | amro | Kraps: nobody |
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| 17:02.29 | Shirik | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 17:02.31 | Shirik | cries |
| 17:02.38 | amro | ~comfort Shirik |
| 17:02.39 | purl | There, there, Shirik. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:02.42 | cbreak | I heard it was used by some company called "netflicks" |
| 17:02.48 | Kraps | lol |
| 17:02.49 | Shirik | doing some research on code generation, and came across something I used 4 years ago and hated every minute |
| 17:03.07 | Shirik | (2)organize multiple execution traces into distinct equivalence partitions based on requirementsspecifications written in linear temporal logic (LTL); |
| 17:03.07 | amro | Shirik: kill it. kill it now, before it awakes and dooms us all |
| 17:03.19 | Shirik | LTL is evil |
| 17:03.22 | Shirik | EVIL |
| 17:03.35 | Kraps | isnt it supposed to be the next great advance in flash? |
| 17:03.40 | cbreak | linear temporal logic = flowchart? |
| 17:03.44 | Shirik | no |
| 17:03.47 | Shirik | LTL is like |
| 17:04.28 | Shirik | (L T Q) & (P P Q) -> (L T Q) |
| 17:04.34 | amro | Kraps: what? silverlight? |
| 17:04.40 | Shirik | it's an evil language for specifying logic |
| 17:04.50 | Kraps | amro: ya |
| 17:04.52 | Shirik | that's an extremely simple example, but it gets a lot, lot worse |
| 17:05.06 | cbreak | I don't get it. |
| 17:05.11 | amro | Kraps: it's a competitor. and it doesn't matter, because <canvas> and faster javascript engines should take over |
| 17:05.12 | Shirik | whoops |
| 17:05.13 | Shirik | I meant |
| 17:05.32 | Shirik | (L T Q) & (Q P P) -> (L T P) |
| 17:05.34 | Kraps | whats canvas? |
| 17:05.41 | amro | (L T Q) & (Q P P) -> (Q Q) |
| 17:05.52 | Shirik | lol |
| 17:06.09 | amro | Kraps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canvas_element |
| 17:06.26 | Shirik | Roughly it reads "If Q follows L, and Q precedes P, then P follows L" |
| 17:06.59 | Dagmar | Three-year-olds usually know P comes before Q. |
| 17:07.09 | cbreak | I still don't get it. |
| 17:07.12 | cbreak | ah well :) |
| 17:07.30 | amro | cbreak: then you should get why it's evil :P |
| 17:07.31 | cbreak | I can accept your opinion that it's evil as basic input |
| 17:08.09 | haste | amro: the lack of openness, standard, portability and stability |
| 17:08.13 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:08.23 | Fisker | though i meant hey haste |
| 17:08.36 | Shirik | fine then |
| 17:08.39 | Shirik | no hey Fisker |
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| 17:08.55 | amro | haste: I was kidding, I hate it with a passion |
| 17:09.20 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:09.30 | haste | amro: I think we all do |
| 17:11.02 | Shirik | You know, I have learned something |
| 17:11.04 | Kraps | nitrome makes awesome flash games |
| 17:11.48 | Shirik | If you are researching something involving OO, and you don't come across the reference "Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software" (GoF), the paper is probably bad |
| 17:12.06 | Shirik | I swear they must be making a fortune just off that book |
| 17:12.06 | Fisker | i could of course just hurt you Shirik |
| 17:12.27 | alestane | Okay, someone just necroed a thread so old my posts are in white to yell at the last poster for yelling at someone else for necroing it. |
| 17:13.07 | Shirik | haha |
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| 17:13.53 | alestane | Although I will admit that "please don't necro" doesn't actually contribute anything to the thread's usefulness. |
| 17:14.28 | Lopeppeppy | I think that any post older than 6 months should require some mod approval to necro. |
| 17:15.08 | Shirik | mod approval to necro? |
| 17:15.17 | Shirik | you mean just die? |
| 17:15.38 | Shirik | I know some forum softwares let you lock a thread after inactivity for a certain period of time |
| 17:16.39 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, that would be awesome. |
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| 17:21.56 | kd3 | wah, crazy. it's in the 50s and I want to wear shorts today |
| 17:22.15 | Ackis | burps |
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| 17:22.38 | Lunessa | Station! |
| 17:22.41 | alestane | Although I feel bad when someone actually uses a search feature or engine and digs up a thread relevant to their question, responds to it in at least a somewhat meaningful way, and all they get is "Yo, quit wit da neco, foo." |
| 17:22.57 | alestane | Because don't we always encourage people to search? |
| 17:23.15 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 17:23.26 | Shirik | bleh |
| 17:23.31 | Shirik | could be warmer, but not bad |
| 17:23.50 | Lopeppeppy | ~weather kalb |
| 17:23.50 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 17:24.03 | Shirik | Weather: A trace |
| 17:24.05 | Shirik | what? |
| 17:24.10 | Lopeppeppy | You're nearly twice as warm as I am, stfu. :P |
| 17:24.18 | Shirik | wtf is "a trace of weather" |
| 17:24.33 | Fisker | Lunessa 7/11 |
| 17:24.35 | Lopeppeppy | A smatter. |
| 17:24.45 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. *huggle* |
| 17:24.45 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, you just get to wear cozier clothes :) |
| 17:24.49 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy, Shirik: quit abusing the bots! (right jnwhiteh?) :D |
| 17:25.00 | Lopeppeppy | I don't call this cozy, I call it layered like an eskimo |
| 17:25.10 | Lunessa | Fisker: Stop & Go |
| 17:25.17 | Shirik | good for snuggling |
| 17:25.49 | Lopeppeppy | wants snorgles. *sniff* |
| 17:25.55 | Shirik | snorgles Lopeppeppy |
| 17:26.02 | Ackis | I have a snuggy |
| 17:26.36 | Lopeppeppy | I could put you out of your misery. |
| 17:26.46 | Ackis | me? |
| 17:27.11 | Kraps | Without a Trace: Weather |
| 17:27.18 | Lopeppeppy | "All that I could forgive. But Debbie... pastels?" |
| 17:27.31 | Kraps | a meteorologist dissapears |
| 17:27.38 | nicoli_s | anybody know wtf Spaghetti Cormorant means? |
| 17:27.46 | nicoli_s | cuz apparently its a very obscene word |
| 17:28.35 | kdtresh | an italian bird? |
| 17:29.00 | olafski | sounds like a type of spaghetti ;) |
| 17:29.47 | Lopeppeppy | nicoli_s, go ask the Urban Dictionary. |
| 17:34.28 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Quote source? |
| 17:36.44 | kdtresh | all i can see is that it was listed as a "feature" in the reaper DAW, probably as a joke |
| 17:37.04 | kdtresh | i would call it a species of bird found mostly in italy |
| 17:37.22 | nicoli_s | its spaghetti sex |
| 17:37.43 | kdtresh | because that's clear... |
| 17:38.10 | Babelfish | alestane: I'm the one who posted about fade in/out with animations on the forum. I tried using OnFinished on both the animation and the animation group. In both cases the alpha gets reset after OnFinished is called. I haven't tried your suggestion about using a reversed animation, though it would have the undesired effect of creating a delay before the animation plays. |
| 17:38.11 | nicoli_s | its not just clear, its a dirty word so dont say it |
| 17:41.29 | Kraps | nicoli_s: is that sex with spaghetti or sex with another person involving spaghetti? |
| 17:41.45 | nicoli_s | no clue |
| 17:41.50 | Lopeppeppy | alestane: Addams Family Values, Morticia Addams. |
| 17:42.03 | nicoli_s | i just know cormorant is a slang term for shag which is a slang term for sex |
| 17:42.09 | alestane | Ah, haven't seen those in years. |
| 17:42.10 | nicoli_s | and in rock band you cant say spaghetti cormorant |
| 17:42.30 | nicoli_s | and man i cant believe wow gave me 17 free days |
| 17:42.42 | Lopeppeppy | classic hysteria, alestane |
| 17:42.59 | alestane | I've seen it (I'm pretty sure), just only the once, when it came out. |
| 17:43.25 | alestane | Is that the one that involves Wednesday at Summer Camp? |
| 17:43.26 | nicoli_s | the first 2 addams family movies are awesome |
| 17:43.32 | nicoli_s | that was the 2nd one alestane |
| 17:43.51 | Kraps | nicoli_s: in rock band? |
| 17:44.25 | nicoli_s | yah |
| 17:44.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, they both go to summer camp |
| 17:44.35 | nicoli_s | http://kotaku.com/5452814/the-rock-band-networks-very-naughty-words |
| 17:46.11 | Ackis | http://notalwaysright.com/when-stupidity-hits-the-pint-of-no-return/3890 <-- I don't know what's bigger a pint or a quart :( |
| 17:46.45 | Lopeppeppy | quart |
| 17:47.17 | Ackis | your american system is confusing!!! |
| 17:47.19 | cogwheel | 2 cups = 1 pint. 2 pints = 1 quart. 4 quarts = 1 gal |
| 17:47.32 | nicoli_s | yall dont use that up in communist canada ackis? |
| 17:47.35 | Ackis | 1 gal ~= 4 litres |
| 17:47.45 | nicoli_s | 3.785 |
| 17:47.57 | Ackis | hence the ~= and not the == :P |
| 17:48.10 | nicoli_s | GET IT RIGHT CANUCK! |
| 17:48.12 | durcyn | not equals. got it. |
| 17:48.26 | Ackis | 1000 ml == 1L... a lot easier to remember :P |
| 17:49.16 | durcyn | keep your cubic centimeters to yourself |
| 17:49.35 | Ackis | nein! |
| 17:49.52 | Kraps | i wish we did use the metric system durcyn |
| 17:49.52 | nevcairiel | metric owns their weird system any day, some time they will see the light |
| 17:49.53 | alestane | Babelfish: Is there a reason you're setting the frame alpha to 0 instead of hiding it? |
| 17:50.05 | Ackis | how do ounces come into volume picture? |
| 17:50.17 | Ackis | nevcairiel: southern arizona uses kilometre's |
| 17:50.25 | Ackis | apparently it's for the "dumb mexicans" |
| 17:50.28 | Lunessa | Ackis: USA uber alles |
| 17:50.31 | cogwheel | Ackis: 8 oz of pure water at standard temp and pressure = 1 cup |
| 17:50.42 | Ackis | however if mexicans are using the metric system, how dumb can they be? |
| 17:50.51 | Ackis | cogwheel: oz is also weight too right? |
| 17:50.52 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: even if it was intentional, there's just too much irony in saying that in quasi-German |
| 17:51.05 | cogwheel | Ackis: yes. 16 oz in a pound |
| 17:51.09 | kd3 | fluid ounces != ounces |
| 17:51.10 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I'm well versed in irony. |
| 17:51.14 | durcyn | Ackis: in that context you can assume fluid ounces |
| 17:51.16 | nevcairiel | is that some standard size of a cup? i have multiple cups around different sizes, and all! |
| 17:51.21 | durcyn | stupid canadian |
| 17:51.35 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, they can be different *shapes*, but they should be the same *size*. :) |
| 17:52.01 | nevcairiel | relative systems that go down to "cups" or "foot" are weird, i have bigger feet, so my mile is longer, right? |
| 17:52.08 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 17:52.12 | zenzelezz | C cups? |
| 17:52.16 | Lopeppeppy | DD |
| 17:52.29 | Babelfish | alestane: Not particularly. |
| 17:52.30 | durcyn | you busy friday, Peppy? |
| 17:52.30 | zenzelezz | DD is meh meh |
| 17:52.46 | Lopeppeppy | No, durcyn, did you want to come help me move my furniture around? |
| 17:52.57 | durcyn | no, not at all. |
| 17:52.58 | Babelfish | That doesn't help with fade in, though. |
| 17:53.01 | Ackis | cogwheel: ty btw |
| 17:53.17 | Lopeppeppy | Then I'm busy Friday. Must make room for Rosie's catbox if she's out of jail |
| 17:53.29 | Ackis | jail? |
| 17:53.36 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:53.36 | Lopeppeppy | kennel, durance vile |
| 17:53.46 | Ackis | ah |
| 17:53.54 | Ackis | slaps Fisker around with his penis. |
| 17:53.56 | durcyn | oh, you were speaking literally. |
| 17:53.58 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe this week!!! *fingers crossed* |
| 17:54.35 | theorbtwo | durcyn: You said no to moving furnature with Lopeppeppy when you thought she was being figurative? |
| 17:54.44 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 17:54.45 | Fisker | sweet Ackis |
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| 17:55.14 | Ackis | one of my cats doesn't like me so much right now that when he was on top of the cupboard and I walked near him, he ran all the way upstairs, realized the doors were closed, bolted down again, and then into the basement... I was quite amused. |
| 17:55.27 | durcyn | theorbtwo: no, no, just confirming my suspicion that she wasn't |
| 17:55.35 | durcyn | theorbtwo: the invitation, you see, was a trap |
| 17:55.59 | Lopeppeppy | I cannot be trapped by mere males. |
| 17:56.24 | theorbtwo | Lopeppeppy: No, but you can trap them. |
| 17:56.33 | Lopeppeppy | As often as I can! |
| 17:56.33 | Ackis | hey nicoli_s go out today and buy some dr pepper with codes on it, then drink dr pepper and give me said codes |
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| 17:56.49 | Lopeppeppy | Mine has no codes, sorry Ackis. |
| 17:57.19 | Ackis | :( |
| 17:57.48 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe us US people don't get to play your game. |
| 17:58.06 | Ackis | http://www.drpepper.com/promotions/ |
| 17:58.16 | durcyn | yes, i find it to be a highly likely scenario that the dr pepper bottling company is running a canada-only promotion. |
| 17:58.17 | Ackis | oh it's not my game |
| 17:58.25 | Babelfish | I think I'm just going to use UIFrameFadeIn. While I normally avoid using XML, I was creating a template anyway so I figured I'd give the animation system a shot. |
| 17:58.58 | Ackis | goes back to lolcats :( |
| 17:59.04 | durcyn | it appears to be at 7-11 only, Ackis |
| 17:59.09 | zenzelezz | one does not simply go back to lolcats |
| 18:00.23 | kdtresh | we've got a 7up/drpepper bottling place here in town |
| 18:01.08 | Ackis | kdtresh: is it can be drpepper code raid time nao? |
| 18:02.06 | kdtresh | i think they have to give you a free code if you request it in writing |
| 18:02.12 | kdtresh | they can't require a purchase |
| 18:02.29 | Ackis | yeah they do |
| 18:02.32 | Ackis | you have to request it in mail |
| 18:02.35 | Ackis | 1 per day |
| 18:02.36 | Ackis | US only |
| 18:02.39 | Ackis | <-- not US |
| 18:02.42 | Ackis | Canadian |
| 18:02.43 | zenzelezz | Ackis: kitty drank your Dr. Peppers: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/18/funny-pictures-your-prozac/ |
| 18:02.44 | kdtresh | ouch |
| 18:02.59 | Ackis | usually Canada > US however in this instance I'm losing out on Spore and ME2 DLC |
| 18:03.09 | Ackis | zenzelezz: tehehehe |
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| 18:04.13 | Fisker | makes Ackis a penis |
| 18:04.56 | zenzelezz | I was going to say you could have shared yours, but then I remembered you don't have one |
| 18:05.06 | amro | ~zenzelezz++ |
| 18:05.09 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5452654/how-cover-shaped-gamings-last-decade |
| 18:05.17 | cogwheel | Fisker: into one or one for him? |
| 18:06.12 | Ackis | ~zenzelezz++ |
| 18:06.41 | cogwheel | i'm still fond of "90% of Fisker was pulled out of his mom's ass" |
| 18:07.36 | Ackis | On this day in 1920 the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) was founded. |
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| 18:12.42 | Ackis | Fisker: http://www.fukung.net/images/23920/ee94c409a9fce235f71c3253d4a11270.jpg |
| 18:15.04 | alestane | Babelfish: The solution I've used works like this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131717 |
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| 18:16.35 | alestane | Notice I never make a permanent alpha change. |
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| 18:19.48 | Babelfish | Hm |
| 18:19.59 | Babelfish | I'll give it a try. |
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| 18:22.37 | alestane | I did forget the OnStop script. |
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| 18:23.52 | Mikk | cogwheel: lmao |
| 18:23.53 | Fisker | one for him cogwheel |
| 18:24.01 | Mikk | ~cogwheel++ |
| 18:24.22 | Duman | hahaha |
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| 18:27.01 | Sajaki | [RELEASED] bbDkp 1.1.0 rc1 : http://www.bbdkp.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1320#p5898 |
| 18:27.07 | mikma | OMG! |
| 18:27.10 | mikma | thanks for the info!!!!!!! |
| 18:27.19 | Sajaki | yw |
| 18:29.55 | Fisker | buttbuddyDKP? |
| 18:30.05 | Fisker | btw it's DKP not Dkp |
| 18:30.32 | laindir|work | Fisker: more emphasis on zomgDragon! |
| 18:31.52 | Lunessa | This thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418951127&sid=1&pageNo=1 - makes me die inside. |
| 18:33.07 | Lopeppeppy | No dies! |
| 18:33.21 | Lopeppeppy | "I'm not sure of the dimensions"... I stop right there. |
| 18:34.19 | Lopeppeppy | Just full friggin' stop, he doesn't even know what he's talkign about. |
| 18:34.33 | Lopeppeppy | But then again, I have sheeple getting shirty because I don't teach Photoshop, so wtfery abounds today. |
| 18:37.07 | KarlKFI|work | O.o what happened tot he link parser ont he wow forums |
| 18:37.17 | Lopeppeppy | hmm? |
| 18:37.26 | KarlKFI|work | it's not including tlds and stopping int he middle of links... |
| 18:38.00 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. Well, they've disabled clicking on links for a long time, maybe they've also added a length limit? |
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| 18:38.41 | KarlKFI|work | it's like <a>http://i41.tinyp</a>ic.com/24wcwpk.jpg |
| 18:39.20 | KarlKFI|work | and <a>http://paintdotnet.f</a>orumer.com/ |
| 18:39.29 | KarlKFI|work | wtf |
| 18:39.44 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: what's this starfleet commander game like? (you play it I noticed:P) |
| 18:40.44 | Lunessa | KarlKFI|work: If you're using a Linkify.... you'll want to set the Thorough mode. |
| 18:41.52 | KarlKFI|work | ahhh. FastestFox has a version of Linkify i didn't know about |
| 18:42.12 | Lunessa | Yeah, links are disabled in the WoW forums. |
| 18:42.20 | KarlKFI|work | kthx |
| 18:47.20 | KarlKFI|work | hmm, cant find a version of linkify that works on 3.5.7 that has a thorough mode |
| 18:47.32 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, I *installed* it, I don't play it. :) I didn't like it much, it's more of a real-time world-building game. I keep it installed for friends who also play the game. |
| 18:47.42 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you rock the world, you know that? |
| 18:48.11 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: ah it looks like a clone of ogame |
| 18:48.15 | Ackis | which is a fun game but annoys me |
| 18:49.15 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Which is why I has baked goods of deliciousness on my desk right now from my grateful and adoring public. :) |
| 18:49.55 | Lunessa | KarlKFI|work: My Linkify is working on 3.5.7 just fine. :) |
| 18:50.05 | KarlKFI|work | link? |
| 18:50.53 | Lunessa | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/190 - The real name is Linkification |
| 18:52.07 | Fisker | rages |
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| 18:53.19 | Lunessa | Fisker: This makes today the same as every other day. |
| 18:55.38 | Fisker | maybe Lunessa |
| 18:56.13 | Lunessa | To quote "Con Air" - "On any other day that might seem strange." |
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| 18:58.45 | kd3 | ok, random question. I want to pass a byte array to some function in c++ |
| 18:58.57 | kd3 | byte[]{0xFF, 0xFF} |
| 18:58.58 | kd3 | ? |
| 19:01.29 | laindir|work | kd3: you essentially have to pass a pointer to the start of the array and the size. If it's part of an object, passing the object does that behind the scenes. |
| 19:01.33 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, the work rant felt good. I think I don't have to kill anyone now. |
| 19:01.39 | amro | kd3: use char |
| 19:02.01 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, right now my adoring public is putting rat bait into the baked goods, I'm not touching them. |
| 19:02.26 | Fisker | Lunessa to quote my mom |
| 19:02.41 | Fisker | "Fisker is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get" |
| 19:02.42 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 19:03.19 | Lunessa | Fisker: No, we're always going to get rants and fish. |
| 19:03.22 | amro | kd3: char bytes[] = {0xFF, 0xFF}; |
| 19:05.21 | kd3 | thanks |
| 19:05.24 | kd3 | looks for more caffeine |
| 19:05.52 | cogwheel | get me some too |
| 19:06.26 | Lopeppeppy | murders some sheeples |
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| 19:12.13 | laindir|work | Lopeppeppy: almost forgot... 5 points for "abounds" |
| 19:13.39 | nevcairiel | anyone know when motorola is finally pushing out 2.0.1 for the milestone? =P |
| 19:14.33 | Cide | Shirik, thanks :( |
| 19:14.42 | Cide | you made me order yet another book |
| 19:18.08 | Lopeppeppy | Where did I abound? |
| 19:18.40 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that's right, the wtfery does, not me. Got it. |
| 19:19.17 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, there's a gazelle on my porch! |
| 19:19.25 | Thunder_Child | thats so iritating, my dvd-drive reads everything but dvd's |
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| 19:20.31 | Lopeppeppy | Kick it. |
| 19:21.07 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: it's EE more than ME |
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| 19:22.52 | Babelfish | Awesome. I've managed to find a way to crash the client. |
| 19:24.07 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: kicking may or may not fix it, however it'll make you feel better :P |
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| 19:25.06 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: na, that never made me feel better. |
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| 19:28.26 | Ackis | kicks Thunder_Child |
| 19:28.30 | Ackis | yup, I feel better already |
| 19:28.33 | Lopeppeppy | TC -- Jiggle it, sometimes that helps an EE |
| 19:28.46 | Lopeppeppy | replace cables? |
| 19:28.53 | Lopeppeppy | Feed it more chocolate chip cookies? |
| 19:29.09 | Thunder_Child | well it reads everything else....so i doubt the cables |
| 19:29.26 | Thunder_Child | and like me Lopeppeppy, my computer does not like chocolate |
| 19:30.02 | Ackis | kicks Thunder_Child again. |
| 19:30.06 | Ackis | yup feeling even more better |
| 19:30.15 | Ackis | I could do this all day tbh |
| 19:30.23 | Lopeppeppy | No wonder it's a messed up computer, if it doesn't like chocolate. |
| 19:30.26 | Thunder_Child | what, mange the english language? |
| 19:30.30 | Babelfish | alestane: With what you pasted, the fade in works, but not fade out. I tried adding a self:GetParent():Hide() to OnFinished in the fadeOut animation group, but uh.. that crashes the client. |
| 19:30.33 | Thunder_Child | mangle* |
| 19:31.05 | Kraps | World Of Warcraft |
| 19:31.07 | Kraps | Alliance |
| 19:31.09 | Kraps | The Hero Varian Wrynn |
| 19:31.11 | Kraps | The Lancer Magni Bronzebeard |
| 19:31.12 | Kraps | The Smart Guy Gelbin Mekkatorque |
| 19:31.14 | Kraps | The Big Guy Velen |
| 19:31.16 | Kraps | The Chick Tyrande Whisperwind or Jaina Proudmoore |
| 19:31.17 | Kraps | Sixth Ranger Genn or Liam Greymane |
| 19:31.23 | Ackis | the irony that you didn't spell mangle correctly when you were mocking me for saying "even more better" |
| 19:31.31 | Ackis | kicks the crap out of Kraps. |
| 19:31.40 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Kraps |
| 19:31.41 | purl | Kraps: FAIL! |
| 19:31.55 | Kraps | zomg /hides |
| 19:31.58 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: but at least mine was a mistake |
| 19:32.17 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: mine was intentional. Intentional > then mistake. |
| 19:32.42 | Thunder_Child | no, not really |
| 19:33.01 | Ackis | and at least my dvd player can read dvd discs. :P |
| 19:33.11 | Ackis | I'm sorry, that was a low blow. |
| 19:33.17 | Thunder_Child | oh yes, ouch. |
| 19:34.19 | Lopeppeppy | Owies. |
| 19:36.54 | cogwheel | Lunessa: why is machan in a ranke without ginvite privilege? >< |
| 19:37.37 | Fisker | rages yet again |
| 19:37.43 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Member totems all have invite. |
| 19:37.58 | cogwheel | maybe raiding totems don't? |
| 19:38.10 | Lunessa | Member Totems + I should have said. |
| 19:38.18 | Lunessa | If not, I'll fix it when I get home. |
| 19:38.27 | cogwheel | just asked him and he said he couldn't ... i assumed it was merely an oversight :) |
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| 19:39.33 | Kraps | whoa how many of you are in the same guild? |
| 19:39.49 | Cide | over 9000 people. |
| 19:39.53 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 19:40.16 | Lunessa | Grounding Totem, We are Legion. |
| 19:40.19 | Lunessa | Bitches. |
| 19:40.23 | Kraps | wut |
| 19:40.44 | durcyn | You Are Bitches? weird admission, sir. |
| 19:41.00 | Kraps | Grounding Totem is the guild? |
| 19:41.06 | cogwheel | *nod* |
| 19:41.10 | alestane | Babelfish: Try self:GetRegionParent:Hide() |
| 19:41.51 | Lunessa | durcyn: Don't make me destroy you. |
| 19:42.03 | durcyn | I'd chuckle to see you try. |
| 19:42.04 | nicoli_s | anybody with a lvl 10 on lightbringer who wants to join the curse guild? |
| 19:42.10 | Lopeppeppy | grounds machan, he deserves it. :) |
| 19:42.27 | cogwheel | Kraps: it's starting to become the de facto UI & M raiding guild |
| 19:42.42 | Babelfish | I fixed it. :D The StopAnimating() OnHide was causing the crash. It's working now. |
| 19:42.42 | Ackis | nicoli_s: send me $$$ and I'll renew/transfer my toon there for you :P |
| 19:43.14 | Lunessa | Can't a man quote Darth Vader anymore? |
| 19:43.39 | durcyn | quote was too generic, needs a </vader> tag |
| 19:43.40 | nicoli_s | ackis we just need people to sign our charter |
| 19:43.50 | Ackis | nicoli_s: lol |
| 19:43.55 | durcyn | speaking of which, i wonder if there've been any new Chad Vader episodes lately |
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| 19:51.41 | amro | nicoli_s: orgrimmar bank or stormwind bank, you'll get your signatures in 10 minutes |
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| 19:53.41 | Kaso | I cant mail between two of my characters. |
| 19:54.24 | nicoli_s | amro, we just got the ones we need, thx anyways |
| 20:03.28 | cogwheel | 2h maces are very satisfying weapons for bashing critters... |
| 20:05.12 | Lopeppeppy | You gief me naow! I needs it for work, cogwheel. |
| 20:06.05 | Mikk | 1h maces suck ass for everything |
| 20:06.09 | Mikk | COME HERE AND ILL BASH YOUR FACE IN |
| 20:06.11 | Mikk | *pokk* |
| 20:06.16 | Mikk | YEAH YEAH TAKE THAT BITCH |
| 20:06.19 | Mikk | *puk* |
| 20:06.28 | durcyn | they were hilarious in pvp before the mace spec change |
| 20:06.37 | Mikk | yeah but the _sound_ they make :P |
| 20:06.47 | Lopeppeppy | I was a mace rogue waaaaaaay back in the day. |
| 20:06.52 | Lopeppeppy | Before daggers were better and cooler. |
| 20:07.27 | amro | is there any speed difference between if (activeThreads) and if (activeThreads > 0) ? |
| 20:07.31 | amro | in C++ |
| 20:07.43 | cogwheel | depends on the compiler |
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| 20:08.26 | nevcairiel | i would just use which is more clear in the logic, tbh |
| 20:09.10 | nevcairiel | could do some simple example and look at the assembly :D |
| 20:09.18 | cogwheel | i can't imagine any compiler worth its salt not emitting the same code in both cases |
| 20:09.37 | cogwheel | (unless activeThreads is signed, in which case the two aren't equivalent) |
| 20:10.02 | amro | it's unsigned |
| 20:10.06 | nevcairiel | the boolean check probably checks != 0, which in unsigned is the same as >, so yeah |
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| 20:11.50 | cogwheel | hell, it probably wouldn't even need to do the comparison if activeThreads was assigned immediately beforehand... the zero flag would already be set or not, so you'd just need the conditional jump (at least on x86) |
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| 20:12.14 | amro | it's in a loop |
| 20:13.45 | Shirik | .... bad google |
| 20:14.04 | Shirik | I type in 10.1109/5254.846288 and it's all like "oh yeah that's 0.00192410956" |
| 20:14.15 | Shirik | and I'm like "NO IT'S NOT IT'S A DOCUMENT NUMBER" |
| 20:14.39 | kd3 | so... prepend doi? |
| 20:14.40 | alestane | It needs some letters or something in there then, I guess. |
| 20:14.49 | nevcairiel | you know how it outputs search results additionally to the calc result? |
| 20:14.58 | Shirik | no nevcairiel |
| 20:15.00 | nevcairiel | at least my google does |
| 20:15.01 | Shirik | if it's not the #1 answer |
| 20:15.03 | Shirik | it's wrong |
| 20:15.12 | kd3 | http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=doi+10.1109%2F5254.846288&aq=f&aql=&aqi=g10&oq=&fp=292ac4760832f3c4 |
| 20:15.13 | kd3 | ? |
| 20:15.17 | Dagmar | Shirik: You need to hint something to it that you want that searched for, not computed. |
| 20:15.25 | Dagmar | It's good, not *psychic* |
| 20:15.31 | Shirik | unacceptable |
| 20:15.34 | nevcairiel | the IEEE link is the first hit, the calculator is not a hit :P |
| 20:15.35 | Shirik | google should be able to read my mind |
| 20:15.41 | Seerah | it's his birthday and he'll cry if he wants to |
| 20:15.44 | Shirik | ^ |
| 20:15.47 | kd3 | didn't I just read that on notalwaysright? |
| 20:15.52 | kd3 | "you're not psychic?" |
| 20:15.56 | Dagmar | So go apply for a job there and scribble the code for psychic search term analysis on the white board during you rinterview. |
| 20:16.03 | Shirik | It's easy |
| 20:16.05 | Shirik | they use python |
| 20:16.16 | Shirik | from __future__ import brainwaves; |
| 20:16.16 | kd3 | but they didn't 'import soul' |
| 20:16.58 | Shirik | btw |
| 20:17.04 | Shirik | has anyone heard of these "google goggles"? |
| 20:17.12 | Adys | yes |
| 20:17.19 | nevcairiel | i have that app on my android |
| 20:17.24 | Shirik | wtfhax |
| 20:17.25 | Shirik | seriously |
| 20:17.39 | nevcairiel | it does image analysis and trys to find information about what you see |
| 20:17.53 | nevcairiel | like take a picture of a important building, it tells you wtf it is |
| 20:17.56 | Shirik | it's really scary |
| 20:18.04 | durcyn | how is that scary |
| 20:18.10 | nevcairiel | also works with barcodes |
| 20:18.10 | Shirik | they are getting way too good at what they do |
| 20:18.12 | nevcairiel | and logos |
| 20:18.12 | nevcairiel | etc |
| 20:18.13 | durcyn | are you terrified by image recognition |
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| 20:18.18 | Fisker | Shirikmen |
| 20:18.21 | Shirik | I'm terrified by that level of image recognition |
| 20:18.23 | Dagmar | No, when it starts recognizing your friends, *then* it would be scary |
| 20:18.32 | Shirik | Dagmar: actually... |
| 20:18.41 | Dagmar | Rmemeber Google's had cars driving around taking pictures of eveyrthing for years now |
| 20:18.53 | Dagmar | It's just computationally-intensive to match a picture to a database item |
| 20:18.55 | durcyn | iphoto's facial recognition tech is pretty sweet for that, Dagmar |
| 20:18.56 | Shirik | I wouldn't be surprised :P |
| 20:19.06 | nicoli_s | yah it is creepy, like i took a pic of myself and it told me my name, date of birth, etc etc |
| 20:19.16 | Shirik | anyway, durcyn, what I'm scared about is the level of accuracy. We've all heard of things like "That's a building" "That's a bridge" |
| 20:19.19 | nevcairiel | They are still sitting on their streetview data for Europe though, silly laws and regulations |
| 20:19.20 | Dagmar | When you take a picture of your friend and Google comes back with a Facebook-style report, THEN is the time to worry |
| 20:19.25 | Shirik | But not "Oh that's 4258 Blah st" |
| 20:19.32 | kd3 | wait, wait... 'eden of the east' irl? |
| 20:19.34 | kd3 | cowers in fear |
| 20:19.34 | nevcairiel | Shirik: it just compares with images on file |
| 20:19.45 | Shirik | that's a lot more complicated than you make it sound |
| 20:19.59 | Dagmar | Shirik: Again, Google Maps has had cars driving around taking pictures of stuff for years now |
| 20:20.19 | Shirik | I'm not concerned with the amount of input they have |
| 20:20.24 | Shirik | I'm concerned that they can actually DO something with it |
| 20:20.28 | Dagmar | Shirik: Complicated? Not a problem. Google's got like a tenth of the world's IQ points under one roof. |
| 20:20.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:20.46 | nevcairiel | they also have 60% of the worlds computing power or so :P |
| 20:20.50 | Dagmar | Computationally-intensive? Also not a problem. Google had to buy a freaking RAM manufacturing plant two years ago just to solve a supply-line issue. |
| 20:20.52 | kd3 | reiterates his 'cowers in fear' line |
| 20:22.53 | nevcairiel | that reminds me .. someone put up big posters of a QR code in the train station, and it was some url in it .. but it went 404 .. i mean, like, fail :P |
| 20:23.32 | Shirik | QR code? |
| 20:23.42 | Fisker | fail Shirik |
| 20:23.47 | Dagmar | Just be glad it wasn't a tinyurl'd lemonparty |
| 20:23.48 | Shirik | fail Fisker |
| 20:23.53 | Fisker | no |
| 20:23.56 | Dagmar | I've been having some fun with that sort of thing. |
| 20:23.59 | nevcairiel | a 2D bar code |
| 20:24.00 | Fisker | not knowing what a QR code is ignorant! |
| 20:24.07 | nevcairiel | but seriously, you dont know what a QR code is? :P |
| 20:24.12 | Fisker | it's totally 3D nevcairiel |
| 20:24.15 | Dagmar | Fisker: Serously, Google it |
| 20:24.29 | Fisker | i'm not the one who doesn't know what a QR code is Dagmar |
| 20:24.37 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: i doubt someone would pay the ad space for some silly link like that |
| 20:24.38 | Dagmar | You can print these things up, stick them out in public places, and people with cameraphones who know what they are will invariably visit the site, no matter what it's named. |
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| 20:24.46 | nevcairiel | which even confused me alot more that it went 404 |
| 20:24.57 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.59 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Who pays to put 8.5x11's on telephone poles? |
| 20:25.20 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: this one was real ad-poster size on the wall of the station |
| 20:25.32 | nevcairiel | so you could scan it from like 3 meters away |
| 20:25.34 | nevcairiel | in size |
| 20:26.06 | Dagmar | So how can you be sure it was supposd to be there in the first place? |
| 20:26.17 | nevcairiel | its been there for two weeks now |
| 20:26.19 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Seriously? yes |
| 20:26.21 | nevcairiel | someone wouldve taken it down |
| 20:26.22 | Shirik | wtf is a QR code |
| 20:26.32 | Fisker | he already told you |
| 20:26.34 | Dagmar | Ah that's probably true |
| 20:26.42 | Dagmar | Its also possible someone's been after it with a marker |
| 20:27.05 | Shirik | no he did not Fisker |
| 20:27.24 | nevcairiel | Shirik: its a 2D "Bar Code" that contains whatever information you want to store in it |
| 20:27.33 | Shirik | oh |
| 20:27.36 | Shirik | those things on UPS packages |
| 20:27.38 | nevcairiel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_Code |
| 20:27.41 | Shirik | that look like a bunch of dots |
| 20:27.43 | amro | usually stores URLs |
| 20:27.51 | nicoli_s | they can store images and shit too |
| 20:27.51 | Shirik | ok I just didn't know the name |
| 20:27.59 | Shirik | nicoli_s: That would be called a bitmap |
| 20:28.00 | nicoli_s | they are popular in japan, they use them with their cell phones alot |
| 20:28.02 | Shirik | :P |
| 20:28.25 | nicoli_s | says the guy who didnt know what a QR code is :P |
| 20:28.29 | nevcairiel | with all the smart phones swapping over the world, people use them for fun much more |
| 20:28.33 | Shirik | I just didn't know what it was called! |
| 20:28.44 | Shirik | But seriously, I just got an awesome idea for the obfuscated C contest |
| 20:28.52 | nevcairiel | people advertise their android apps by somehow putting the QR code in their ad |
| 20:28.58 | nevcairiel | so you can scan for it and get a link to the android market |
| 20:29.06 | nicoli_s | nevcairiel: google can auto generate them for you |
| 20:29.13 | amro | I just got an idea for a keylogger. |
| 20:29.14 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:29.20 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 20:29.25 | Fisker | he which triesth to changeth the subject...th |
| 20:29.51 | Dagmar | There's at least a dozen sites you can get at that will generate QRCode images for you on the spot |
| 20:30.31 | nevcairiel | I even have a app on the phone that can generate a code, which another phone can scan, and you share stuff :P |
| 20:30.34 | ccox | Silicon Valley Weather: hail, lightning, thunder, heavy rains |
| 20:30.42 | ccox | and 3 of those things are not normal in this area |
| 20:31.08 | ccox | Silicon Valley Forecast: mudslides and flooding |
| 20:31.23 | Dagmar | Tomorrow's Forecast: (not applicable) |
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| 20:32.45 | ccox | Well, at least Tahoe has plenty of snow |
| 20:33.09 | ccox | and the longer this keeps up, the more high ground sounds like a good idea |
| 20:33.26 | Shirik | ah what the hell |
| 20:33.31 | Shirik | fortune scared the hell out of me |
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| 20:33.40 | Shirik | it gives me this huge ASCII art dragon |
| 20:33.43 | Shirik | when I logged in |
| 20:33.48 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:33.54 | Dagmar | ...and *that* scares you? |
| 20:34.31 | amro | it's okay Shirik, ASCII dragons can't breathe fire |
| 20:34.37 | amro | but watch out for Unicode dragons |
| 20:34.38 | Shirik | how do you know |
| 20:34.41 | Shirik | oh ok |
| 20:36.31 | nevcairiel | wonders if there is a dragon glyph |
| 20:37.12 | amro | nevcairiel: ç« |
| 20:37.21 | nevcairiel | thats not a dragon |
| 20:37.29 | amro | yes it is. |
| 20:37.30 | kd3 | sure it is |
| 20:38.48 | nevcairiel | just because it might say dragon, it still doesnt look like one! |
| 20:38.58 | amro | it's supposed to |
| 20:39.04 | amro | you can see the tail and body |
| 20:39.06 | amro | then then head |
| 20:39.48 | nevcairiel | i mean, there is a â, so there might as well be a dragon! |
| 20:40.22 | Seerah | what *is* that? |
| 20:40.25 | amro | snowman |
| 20:40.40 | Seerah | ah... |
| 20:40.46 | amro | and clearly it's proof there's no dragon glyph, or the snowman would be long gone |
| 20:40.56 | Seerah | rofl |
| 20:41.03 | nevcairiel | http://â.net |
| 20:41.20 | nevcairiel | i should totally register a similar domain |
| 20:41.54 | nevcairiel | sadly firefox doesnt seem to support it completly yet, it shows the escaped form in the url bar =( |
| 20:42.28 | amro | nevcairiel: you mean http://xn--n3h.net/ ? |
| 20:42.35 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 20:42.39 | amro | that's intentional |
| 20:42.41 | kd3 | ...can dns even handle full-on unicode? |
| 20:42.43 | amro | to avoid phishing |
| 20:42.56 | amro | kd3: yes, depending on the TLD |
| 20:42.57 | Dagmar | DNS doesn't "handle" Unicode. |
| 20:43.04 | nevcairiel | the domain works, so uh |
| 20:43.15 | kd3 | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 20:43.15 | kd3 | Name:â.net |
| 20:43.15 | kd3 | Address: 38.103.165.5 |
| 20:43.18 | kd3 | so, yah |
| 20:43.31 | Dagmar | They are setting up special registrars just to deal with i18n domains, and everyone's expected to upgrade by the time that happens |
| 20:43.44 | amro | upgrade to what? |
| 20:43.51 | amro | there are already IDN enabled TLDs |
| 20:44.00 | Dagmar | A server that won't say "THAT'S NOT ASCII SO IT CAN GET STUFFED" |
| 20:44.07 | laindir|work | Odd... my client can display the dragon glyph, but not the glyphs that nevcairiel and kd3 typed. |
| 20:44.27 | nevcairiel | its a font thing |
| 20:44.31 | amro | laindir|work: you must live in the desert/ |
| 20:44.34 | kd3 | your font handles cjk glyphs but not the full unicode spec |
| 20:44.40 | laindir|work | apparently... missing code points ftw |
| 20:44.47 | nevcairiel | mind you, no font has the full unicode spec |
| 20:45.01 | kd3 | s/full/the majority of/ |
| 20:45.13 | amro | nevcairiel, kd3, boo for not letting me setup another melting snowman joke |
| 20:45.34 | nevcairiel | there are freaking mah-jong glyphs in the unicode spec, i havent seen a font that can render them =P |
| 20:45.44 | nevcairiel | ð |
| 20:45.49 | amro | renders here |
| 20:45.51 | nevcairiel | thats a mah-jong dragon, fwiw |
| 20:45.59 | nevcairiel | supposedly.. |
| 20:46.02 | amro | dragon? but it looks like ä¸ |
| 20:46.05 | Adys | why are there unicode snowman glyphs? |
| 20:46.15 | nevcairiel | MAHJONG TILE RED DRAGON |
| 20:47.19 | amro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahjong_tiles#Honor_Tiles |
| 20:47.24 | Kaso | â Unicode â |
| 20:48.03 | nevcairiel | ah bah the tiles just have the chinese char for dragon on them |
| 20:48.24 | nevcairiel | Adys: why wouldnt there be? |
| 20:48.34 | laindir|work | kd3: I wasn't surprised that the font is missing code points... I was more surprised that it included the glyph Amro sent. |
| 20:48.36 | Adys | its a snowman |
| 20:49.01 | amro | nevcairiel: you sure? isn't it ç« in chinese as well? |
| 20:49.44 | alestane | I think that either that's the simplified version, or there's a shade of meaning that I've never quite managed to discriminate. |
| 20:50.01 | amro | wtb WWWJDIC for chinese |
| 20:50.01 | nevcairiel | according to your wikipedia link, the character is called red dragon, traditional chinese |
| 20:50.42 | amro | alestane: I doubt it's simplified, mahjongg is older than that isn't it? |
| 20:50.59 | amro | nevcairiel: where? all I saw was "a tile with a red traditional Chinese character (ä¸) or a red dragon. " |
| 20:51.24 | nevcairiel | well what does the character mean? :P |
| 20:52.16 | amro | in japanese it means inside/middle |
| 20:52.25 | Dagmar | It means the chinese wanted an in on the font since there's poker suits in the standard IBM font from the 80s |
| 20:52.30 | nevcairiel | it says its traditional chinese |
| 20:52.59 | amro | kanji are pretty much carbon copies of chinese characters, usually with the same or similar meaning |
| 20:53.14 | Dagmar | edges away from amro |
| 20:53.32 | amro | kanjiphobic? |
| 20:54.13 | Dagmar | No, I just have gotten greif from all sorts of asian people for confusing them with other asian ethnotypes, or suggesting there was anything approaching a common heritage there |
| 20:54.53 | Dagmar | ...an you're there saying the japanese stole their glyphs from the chinese |
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| 20:56.26 | nicoli_s | anyone know apx how long it takes a guild newly made to show up on the armory? |
| 20:56.37 | amro | Dagmar: they did |
| 20:57.32 | Dagmar | You won't find me saying that in public, ever |
| 20:57.36 | Dagmar | Asian girls pinch hard |
| 20:57.40 | Dagmar | ...if you're lucky |
| 20:58.35 | laindir|work | Dagmar: "alphabet" stealing isn't exactly uncommon |
| 20:58.59 | nevcairiel | its not like we all use the same that was stolen from somewhere at some point :P |
| 20:59.12 | Dagmar | laindir: I know this, you know this, it doesn't matter to some people |
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| 20:59.54 | nevcairiel | besides, that way chinese and japanese people understand each other better! |
| 21:00.21 | Dagmar | Like, mistake a korean for someone from taiwan or china or any combinaiton thereof sometimes |
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| 21:00.25 | Dagmar | s/sometimes/sometime/; |
| 21:00.33 | Dagmar | They'll get mad at you |
| 21:00.42 | nevcairiel | I wouldn't know the difference |
| 21:00.55 | nevcairiel | but then we don't have that many asians around here |
| 21:01.15 | Dagmar | I can kinda tell now only because I was dealing with a number of girls from various asian countries in a dating-possible capacity |
| 21:01.34 | Dagmar | They don't cut you any slack about it in SF. |
| 21:01.48 | amro | Dagmar: but that has nothing to do with character sets |
| 21:01.49 | Dagmar | Here in Tennessee, they seem to be used to people mucking it up and don't care |
| 21:02.06 | amro | in japanese schools they learn that kanji are chinese characters |
| 21:02.12 | Dagmar | amro: The koreans I knew considered it an insult if you mistook them for any other group |
| 21:02.14 | laindir|work | Dagmar: I think that's a pretty big leap from saying their writing systems share graphemes. For example, I don't think an Inuit tribesman would get mad if I said he used Arabic numerals. |
| 21:02.44 | nevcairiel | Are you sure the Inuit use those? :d |
| 21:02.48 | Dagmar | laindir: I find it safer to assume that they're all touchy about ancestry |
| 21:03.10 | amro | rigght but characters have nothing to do with ancestry :P |
| 21:03.26 | laindir|work | nevcairiel: historically? doubtful. but there are certainly some that do now. |
| 21:07.09 | laindir|work | Dagmar: We don't doubt your personal experience in the matter. We're just speculating about the validity of their being offended. |
| 21:07.37 | nevcairiel | When a girl is offended, you shouldnt start to argue with her if her reaction was valid, tbh :P |
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| 21:08.42 | laindir|work | nevcairiel: that's why I'm arguing with Dagmar :) it's safer. |
| 21:09.30 | kd3 | c'mon blue protodrake |
| 21:09.43 | kd3 | no! snowballs |
| 21:09.45 | kd3 | grr |
| 21:10.04 | Dagmar | Even if her reaction is invalid you get laid more often if you just STFU |
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| 21:14.32 | Adys | Dagmar doing relationship counseling? |
| 21:14.37 | TC-Away | i was a little asian girl in HS |
| 21:14.48 | Adys | This is topic-worthy |
| 21:15.02 | Adys | and that too |
| 21:15.08 | Dagmar | Adys: Hey if there's one thing I have plenty of experience at it's getting some |
| 21:15.34 | kd3 | can we please get some of this in the topic |
| 21:15.37 | kd3 | too many gems |
| 21:15.42 | Dagmar | lol |
| 21:20.55 | Thunder_Child | "[13:20:12] [2] <AFK>[Tashik]: LFM ToC 25 need everything, won't take anybody with GS higher than 3.6k" thats interesting |
| 21:22.24 | Adys | kd3: salted yeti cheese |
| 21:22.25 | Adys | hurray |
| 21:22.31 | kd3 | whee |
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| 21:24.12 | laindir|work | Thunder_Child: I've been tempted to do that myself, though not with that instance. |
| 21:24.49 | Fisker | you face Fisker |
| 21:25.31 | Thunder_Child | laindir|work: what the issue with having over-geared people? |
| 21:26.32 | laindir|work | Thunder_Child: my reasoning for it was just as a statement against the overvalue of things like GS. I was in a Naxx 10 where the average GS was 5k... we nearly wiped on Grobbulus because the priest kept cleansing. |
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| 21:27.33 | Dagmar | Wow. |
| 21:27.42 | Dagmar | Ninnies with epics. |
| 21:27.50 | laindir|work | Dagmar: bingo. |
| 21:28.10 | Dagmar | So let's all get mad at GearScore because morons can get 24 other people to carry them through raids |
| 21:28.39 | Dagmar | ...cuz they've not been doin that for years and years or nothin'. |
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| 21:29.40 | Babelfish | No, but this attitude has developed that if you don't have 5k+ gear score, you're not worth a shit. |
| 21:29.56 | amro | These go to 11. |
| 21:30.05 | laindir|work | I don't have a problem with GS... I used a similar formula to calculate zero-sum DKP when my guild was in Kara... But if people see something like a <3.6k ToC25, there's a chance they might rethink how much gear is really "necessary". |
| 21:30.31 | NightHawkTheSane | laindir|work: no, there really isn't |
| 21:30.55 | laindir|work | dammit! let me dream a little, hehe |
| 21:31.45 | cogwheel | i was in a normal UK run the other day on my 71 rogue. group was composed of all people who were leveling. Leveling. As in still getting new gear and shit... |
| 21:31.50 | NightHawkTheSane | and gear score as a measure of anything OTHER than average ilvl is useless. |
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| 21:31.54 | cogwheel | and yet everyone was sitting around bitching |
| 21:32.03 | cogwheel | about things like "ZOMG YOUR defense isn't maxed" |
| 21:32.17 | laindir|work | cogwheel: that's hilarious |
| 21:33.17 | Dagmar | It's all the jackasses who read just the bullet points and boldface at EJ and don't even put any effort to thinking |
| 21:33.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: no, its not even that. |
| 21:33.40 | NightHawkTheSane | its idiots who think you can distill gear & skill down to a single number. |
| 21:33.51 | Dagmar | If people are jabbering about defense caps in a normal dungeon at 71, they're either doing that or they're seriously mentally handicapped. |
| 21:34.27 | Dagmar | Anyway it's not like I'm unaware of the "oversimplified" morons out there |
| 21:34.32 | amro | happend to me too when leveling my DK |
| 21:34.33 | Dagmar | I used to catch hell for not being hit-capped |
| 21:34.56 | amro | fuck off and let me tank, you only get to whine if I die |
| 21:35.10 | haste | "taunt missed" |
| 21:35.13 | Dagmar | I was like "I'm sorry, I'm not trading 8% of my damage for 3% higher hit" |
| 21:35.29 | amro | haste: sometimes I wish I could make it mistt on purpose" |
| 21:35.48 | haste | think our MT missed 3 taunts in a row on PP :P |
| 21:35.58 | laindir|work | Dagmar: just bust out the multivariate calculus. works every time. |
| 21:36.02 | amro | who's PP? |
| 21:36.20 | haste | professor putricide |
| 21:36.27 | amro | haven't raided since 3.1 |
| 21:37.06 | Dagmar | laindir: Well, the main issue is that it's not even worth my time to educate these morons |
| 21:37.17 | laindir|work | truth |
| 21:37.32 | Dagmar | I'm starting to get people now who freak out when they notice I'm BM |
| 21:38.05 | Dagmar | The random heroics are definitely letting me see a wide spectrum of idiocy. |
| 21:38.15 | Dagmar | "yes, I'm BM and I'm also topping the bloody meter, so STFU" |
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| 21:40.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: bm only makes me sad because i loves me my replenishment :P |
| 21:41.46 | Adys | did guids change structure again during ptr? |
| 21:42.34 | kd3 | it changed on 3.3 |
| 21:42.35 | kd3 | yah |
| 21:42.50 | Adys | yeah but |
| 21:42.52 | Adys | twice no? |
| 21:43.31 | kd3 | afaik no, only the pre-3.3->3.3 change |
| 21:44.29 | Thunder_Child | you just suck Adys, thats all |
| 21:44.48 | amro | he does way more. yjdk. |
| 21:46.41 | Thunder_Child | do the random and specific queues crossover? |
| 21:46.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i think so |
| 21:46.56 | NightHawkTheSane | dont see why they wouldnt |
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| 21:47.42 | alestane | If you queue for a specific dungeon as a tank, and there are three DPS and a healer out there waiting for a random, congratulations, you've just hijacked a PUG AFAIK. |
| 21:48.34 | batrick | so you could potentially grief people by queueing for occulus specifically |
| 21:48.51 | NightHawkTheSane | oculus* |
| 21:49.19 | alestane | Not that's as much of a grief as it used to be. |
| 21:49.54 | alestane | And you'd mostly be griefing random strangers. |
| 21:49.56 | NightHawkTheSane | if you want to grief as a tank, queue for random, and then leave immediately. |
| 21:50.15 | olafski | then they'll be first in the queue for a new tank |
| 21:50.17 | olafski | won't hurt much |
| 21:50.27 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: i'm certain they do. i chose ToC specifically and the other 4 members had the random debuff |
| 21:50.31 | NightHawkTheSane | depends on how many tanks are in the queue |
| 21:50.44 | NightHawkTheSane | ive seen it take up to 10m or so to get a new one |
| 21:50.48 | olafski | really? oO |
| 21:50.59 | olafski | nighthawkthesane: better to just pull a lot of mobs and _then_ leave :P |
| 21:51.09 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel: luck of the draw? |
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| 21:51.22 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: i've seen that too |
| 21:51.59 | olafski | yer happened to me the other day |
| 21:52.03 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: no the one that keeps you from queueing for another random within 15 mins... |
| 21:52.04 | olafski | in ragefire chasm.. after we were done though |
| 21:52.52 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel: ah |
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| 22:25.47 | amro_ | nevcairiel: as it turns out, ä¸ means middle in chinese as well. the dragon part is because it's a dragon tile in mahjong |
| 22:26.20 | DWSR | amro, how do you type that? IME? |
| 22:26.42 | amro_ | yep |
| 22:26.55 | DWSR | mkay |
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| 22:27.15 | amro_ | and ç« is dragon in japanese only, in chinese it's é¾ |
| 22:27.30 | amro_ | (though you can see a similarity) |
| 22:27.58 | durcyn | one of these days i'll bother turning on UTF8 so i can read that gobshite |
| 22:28.12 | amro_ | see, not read :P |
| 22:28.30 | Shishire | O.o turns out I have UTF-8 on... weird, never had that before |
| 22:28.30 | durcyn | no, i have to learn mandarin and kanji first, obviously |
| 22:28.47 | DWSR | durcyn, the only reason I CAN see it is because I'm using webchat, since school blocks IRC connections |
| 22:29.00 | amro | you don't need to learn mandarin or japanese in order to study the characters |
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| 22:29.10 | durcyn | it's probably because screen likes to pretend it's a vt220 |
| 22:29.13 | durcyn | but i'm lazy, so |
| 22:29.32 | DWSR | hehe |
| 22:29.34 | DWSR | Don't bother. |
| 22:30.06 | amro | seeing squares bothers me... must have all glyphs! |
| 22:30.12 | DWSR | easy. |
| 22:30.21 | DWSR | You can't use a Book of Glyph Mastery here |
| 22:30.30 | DWSR | This requires ACTUAL research. |
| 22:30.44 | DWSR | None of that fake Northrend crap |
| 22:30.47 | amro | installing them or learning them? |
| 22:30.56 | DWSR | installing them. |
| 22:31.05 | DWSR | Learning them requires a book of glyph mastery, it's just not called that. ;) |
| 22:31.41 | amro | apt-cache search ttf |
| 22:31.44 | amro | :) |
| 22:33.29 | DWSR | see? Research |
| 22:33.42 | amro | just search =) |
| 22:35.07 | DWSR | lies. |
| 22:35.30 | mascondante | ~trout DWSR |
| 22:35.31 | purl | ACTION slaps DWSR around a bit with a large trout! |
| 22:35.50 | DWSR | *shrug* |
| 22:36.55 | laindir|work | durcyn: screen as in GNU screen? |
| 22:37.23 | durcyn | laindir|work: yeah, i just haven't fucked around with the config lately, see: laziness |
| 22:37.29 | durcyn | also, i don't actually care about utf8 |
| 22:38.59 | laindir|work | I don't think it's a screen issue. I use screen via ssh (puTTY on windows) encoding problems are usually caused on the puTTY end... |
| 22:39.54 | Dagmar | PuTTY laughs at your silly unicode attempts |
| 22:40.34 | laindir|work | actually, PuTTY has no trouble with UTF-8... as long as I remember to change it from the default. |
| 22:40.47 | Dagmar | ...at least it does until you change the settings in Window->Translation |
| 22:42.37 | cogwheel | i had to specify -U to screen to get unicode to work correctly, fwiw |
| 22:43.13 | cogwheel | (i'm using PuTTY->screen->irssi atm) |
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| 22:45.25 | Taishi | Hey there, I've been trying to resize and move my tracker/Objectives frame and so far have found with addons I've tried when I resize it the font ends up biger and doesn't fit all the quests in the frame. I was wondering if there was a addon that worked around this or if there was some kind of UI program I could use instead? |
| 22:46.26 | cogwheel | by "bigger" do you mean "larger in appearance" or "able to trakc more quests" ? |
| 22:46.34 | cogwheel | track* |
| 22:46.46 | Taishi | larger in appearance |
| 22:46.58 | Taishi | What I wanted it to do is be a bit smaller to fit my UI |
| 22:47.03 | Dagmar | Maybe whack that ui scale slider |
| 22:47.13 | Taishi | If I shrink it, it simply removes al quests except 1 and makes i small |
| 22:47.16 | Taishi | *it |
| 22:47.38 | kd3 | chinchilla can tweak scaling and other options for the tracking frame. it's also a good minimap mod |
| 22:47.40 | Taishi | That alters the entire UI, not 1 frame, tis no good for what I need |
| 22:48.16 | Taishi | Hmm, I've tried all scale mods other than that but do you know if its been tested on tracker frame or not? |
| 22:48.35 | kd3 | I've been using it since 3.3... |
| 22:48.55 | Taishi | Also, do ya know how I can reset my tracker default size and possition? |
| 22:49.25 | Taishi | Since I've been trying to change it, its kinda messed up and I don't think trying to edit it with chinchilla before resetting it back to default is gonna help |
| 22:49.38 | DWSR | ~seen Shirik |
| 22:49.43 | purl | shirik is currently on #norganna (9h 7m 26s) #wowuidev (9h 7m 26s) #wowace (9h 7m 26s). Has said a total of 107 messages. Is idling for 2h 15m 2s, last said: 'oh ok'. |
| 22:49.43 | Taishi | I only wanna reset tracker, not the entire UI bare ni mind |
| 22:49.43 | kd3 | how'd you change it? |
| 22:49.44 | Taishi | I'd hate to have to redo it all |
| 22:49.44 | DWSR | Calling all Java devs |
| 22:50.15 | Taishi | I tried MoveAnything, MoveIt and FluidFrames so far |
| 22:50.35 | DWSR | Taishi: Try QuestGuru and just use the tracker portion |
| 22:50.44 | DWSR | You can disable the quest frame enhancements. |
| 22:50.47 | kd3 | they should have options to reset positioning of frames they've modified |
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| 22:51.00 | Taishi | Erm, ok |
| 22:51.04 | kd3 | keyword being... should |
| 22:51.15 | Taishi | They do but I think its cus I used 1 too many ._.; |
| 22:51.25 | Taishi | I tried hitting reset and it just made it worse |
| 22:51.34 | kd3 | hit reset in all 3 |
| 22:51.37 | kd3 | for that frame |
| 22:51.46 | DWSR | Is there a way, in Java, to just say "the last member of an array"? Similar to count($array) in PHP? |
| 22:51.57 | Taishi | I'll try DWSR's method >_> |
| 22:52.01 | wereHamster | arr[arr.length-1] |
| 22:52.07 | DWSR | Thanks wereHamster |
| 22:52.10 | Taishi | Oh bah I got killed >_< |
| 22:52.29 | cogwheel | DWSR: that's the same in pretty much every language that allows you to find the length of an array >< |
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| 22:56.03 | DWSR | cogwheel: Different languages do it differently. Java is arr.length, php is count($arr), Perl is something else, I can't remember. I knew it was possible, should have just asked how to do it. |
| 22:56.45 | DWSR | cogwheel: can you shortcut if (var == null) to if (!var) or something similar? |
| 22:56.45 | cogwheel | or you should've asked how to get the length of the array, since getting the last element directly follows :P |
| 22:57.21 | cogwheel | dunno... i refuse to learn java |
| 22:57.26 | cogwheel | ducks |
| 22:57.55 | Taishi | ARgh.. does ANYONE know how to reset frames to their default position/size? |
| 22:58.13 | Taishi | I tried installing that questguru thing and now its just totally dissapeard :-/ |
| 22:58.37 | kd3 | play with the questguru options |
| 22:58.37 | cogwheel | Taishi: feel like mucking around in configuration files? |
| 22:58.39 | kd3 | it'll reset it |
| 22:58.51 | Taishi | Sure cog, I know how to work around a computer |
| 22:58.58 | Taishi | If you can walk me through it |
| 22:59.17 | cogwheel | check out wtf\account\<account name>\<realm name>\<character name>\layout-cache.txt |
| 22:59.43 | cogwheel | err. layout-local.txt |
| 22:59.59 | cogwheel | and delete the section for the frame in question |
| 23:00.13 | DWSR | wereHamster: can you shortcut if (var == null) to if (!var) or something similar?? |
| 23:00.16 | Taishi | Ok found it |
| 23:00.40 | wereHamster | DWSR: in java? |
| 23:00.47 | DWSR | mhm |
| 23:00.55 | Taishi | Now what do I do? |
| 23:01.15 | cogwheel | assuming you removed that section while wow wasn't running, you log in |
| 23:01.32 | Taishi | What, clear the entire text file? |
| 23:01.41 | cogwheel | 14:59 < cogwheel> and delete the section for the frame in question |
| 23:01.48 | DWSR | Taishi: No, you want to clear the section that's relevant to the QuestTracker Frame. |
| 23:02.00 | Taishi | oh ok |
| 23:02.24 | Taishi | Cant' find QuestTracker |
| 23:02.52 | cogwheel | then one of your addons is still messing it up |
| 23:02.56 | Taishi | or anything with quest on it for that matter |
| 23:03.07 | Taishi | Yeah, probably cus I tried too many addons >_> |
| 23:03.22 | Taishi | chat lag? |
| 23:03.33 | Taishi | Meh.. can't see my chat |
| 23:03.45 | Taishi | Ah, probably was lag |
| 23:04.01 | Taishi | So.. is there a way to fix this? |
| 23:04.25 | cogwheel | uninstall the addon you used to move it? |
| 23:05.01 | Taishi | Hmm, I guess I don't have much choice, oh well |
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| 23:05.49 | cogwheel | or look in the savedvariables file(s) |
| 23:07.38 | Taishi | Meh.. |
| 23:07.50 | Taishi | I removed all the addons and its still missing |
| 23:08.02 | Taishi | All the other stuff I moved is back in default possition |
| 23:08.07 | cogwheel | are you tracking any objectives? |
| 23:08.15 | cogwheel | do you still have that other quest addon installed? |
| 23:08.36 | Taishi | LOL oops |
| 23:08.44 | Taishi | For some reason my objectives weren't being tracked ^_6; |
| 23:08.47 | Taishi | * ^_^; |
| 23:08.53 | Taishi | man I feel like a dunce now |
| 23:09.28 | cogwheel | happens to everyone from time to time |
| 23:09.37 | Taishi | btw, I kinda like that quest guru thing except 1 problem |
| 23:09.50 | Taishi | When ya add objectives to it, it gets longer |
| 23:10.01 | Taishi | That was my original problem >_> |
| 23:10.14 | Taishi | Cus at a certain point it overlaps my UI |
| 23:10.40 | cogwheel | does it have an "expand upwards" option? |
| 23:10.46 | cogwheel | that might work better for you |
| 23:11.00 | cogwheel | i use that in monkeyquest |
| 23:11.15 | Taishi | Oh wait, I see it has max tracker lines |
| 23:11.16 | Taishi | Sweet |
| 23:11.27 | Taishi | Thanks guys this is quite possibly perfect |
| 23:12.29 | Taishi | yep, you can limit the size, awesome, thanks guys! |
| 23:16.27 | Taishi | Oh yes I'm very happy with that, now to reinstall that frame changer, it worked well on the rest and I'm having issues with certain frames and TitanBar so I kinda need it still lol |
| 23:17.30 | Taishi | Also, does anyone know of any addon t hat makes maps look as cool as Mapster does? only problem I have with Mapster is I can't move the main map around, it forces it to be in the middle and "move world map" ends up greyed out O_o |
| 23:17.47 | Taishi | Preferbly a addon that covers dungeon maps as well |
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| 23:18.42 | jnwhiteh | Taishi: mapster most certainly allows you to move the main map around.. |
| 23:18.47 | cbreak | WoW itself covers dungeon maps |
| 23:18.55 | Dagmar | ...when they exist. |
| 23:19.01 | Taishi | Well I couldn't O_o |
| 23:19.02 | DWSR | Why is everyone in #java such a cockmonkey? |
| 23:19.09 | Dagmar | Taishi: Are you talking about the same mapster I see a screenshot of on Curse? |
| 23:19.19 | DWSR | Taishi: Mapster definitely does what jnwhiteh says. |
| 23:19.21 | frontendloader | anyone here an expert on nameplates? Why wouldn't it be possible to recolor a nameplate that you cast a DoT on, and then when the DoT falls off regardless of whether you're targeting it the color reverts? |
| 23:19.22 | cbreak | DWSR: just don't go to ##OpenGL |
| 23:19.25 | Taishi | Erm, I did a random map the other day and hit main map and all it showed me was world map of Azarath |
| 23:19.39 | DWSR | frontendloader: Because nameplates are secure frames? |
| 23:19.44 | Taishi | Dagmar: well that is where I found it |
| 23:19.45 | Dagmar | Taishi: It likely means there's no map for it |
| 23:20.04 | cbreak | As I understand, they are not secure frames |
| 23:20.07 | frontendloader | DWSR: that prevents recolors? |
| 23:20.10 | Taishi | You sure? some map addons claim Blzizard don't cover what h ey cover |
| 23:20.13 | cbreak | they are unidentified frames |
| 23:20.18 | cbreak | not assigned to a unit-id |
| 23:20.20 | Dagmar | I could swear I've seen my map look like that and I don't have mapster installed. I could be mistaken |
| 23:20.23 | DWSR | frontendloader: I have no idea, I'm throwing that out. |
| 23:20.24 | Taishi | Its possible people have made their own for their addon, no? |
| 23:20.27 | cbreak | (at least that was what was discussed here yesterday) |
| 23:20.29 | frontendloader | and if you manually assign them a GUID |
| 23:20.35 | frontendloader | when you cast the DoT on them |
| 23:20.39 | DWSR | Nothing? |
| 23:20.58 | Dagmar | Taishi: That's where Atlas comes in |
| 23:21.06 | DWSR | frontendloader, I don't know. Theoretically, it should be possible. Aloft assigns combat text to particular nameplates. |
| 23:21.10 | Taishi | Indeed |
| 23:21.16 | Taishi | And I think people have made similar mods |
| 23:21.26 | Taishi | And I have NEVER seen the map look like the way Mapster has done it |
| 23:21.53 | Taishi | No frames and no area around the edges, I've never seen it unless its another addon |
| 23:22.06 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: Aloft doesn't do combat text, you're thinking of SCT |
| 23:22.07 | DWSR | Taishi: You can hide the frames and area around the edges. |
| 23:22.12 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: It does, actually. |
| 23:22.15 | Taishi | How? |
| 23:22.21 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Look through the options, it's in there somewhere. |
| 23:22.29 | DWSR | Taishi: Checkbox at the bottom of the frame. |
| 23:22.30 | Gnarfoz | I won't install it again, hopefully. :p |
| 23:22.48 | Gnarfoz | that maintaining dude must have added it later on, not sure why I would want a nameplate addon to do combat text :p |
| 23:23.10 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: It's like the combat text for Pitbull or SUF. |
| 23:23.14 | Gnarfoz | *scrolling* combat text, that is. showing the blizz damage numbers at the nameplates is standard ui, I think? |
| 23:23.23 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: Maybe you'd be hoping those numbers would actually fly off what's bein hit |
| 23:23.24 | Gnarfoz | oh well, that |
| 23:23.30 | Fisker | oh god no Gnarfoz |
| 23:23.34 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: I wouldn't, no |
| 23:23.47 | DWSR | Dagmar: It's a wholly useful feature, actually. |
| 23:23.53 | Dagmar | Last time I used SCT the numbers just all came from fixed points on the screen |
| 23:23.56 | Taishi | Ok lemme take a look |
| 23:24.20 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
| 23:24.25 | Dagmar | That they didn't originate from where the mobs were on the screen didn't amuse me |
| 23:24.29 | Gnarfoz | SCT has a feature for it, at least for healing numbers =) |
| 23:24.57 | Dagmar | "OMGWALLOFNUMB3RZ" isn't nearly as fun when it's just a column of them. |
| 23:25.08 | Gnarfoz | how about disabling SCT, then? |
| 23:25.14 | Gnarfoz | or keeping blizz damage numbers enabled |
| 23:25.18 | Gnarfoz | they do exactly that ^^ |
| 23:25.24 | Dagmar | Easier still _I don't use SCT_ |
| 23:25.32 | Taishi | YA wrong DWSR |
| 23:25.34 | Gnarfoz | that's much easier indeed |
| 23:25.45 | Taishi | The only tick box on the map is "Show Objectives" |
| 23:25.55 | Gnarfoz | (except that big mobs are now a problem, and number spam, too - but those numbers are (mostly) irrelevant, anyway) |
| 23:26.22 | Gnarfoz | someone roll on my realm and buy more stuff from the AH |
| 23:26.24 | Dagmar | I'll let you tell that to my next 19,000 point Kill Shot. |
| 23:26.28 | Taishi | Unless its a addon you're using, what you claim doesn't exist by default |
| 23:26.30 | Gnarfoz | I want your money :D |
| 23:26.48 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: 15k dmg, 4k overkill, woot :D |
| 23:26.55 | DWSR | Taishi: Uncheck, Show Objectives. |
| 23:27.03 | Dewin | Hmm... I thought that if someone declined a random dungeon invite, you were requeued and usually it instant repops... |
| 23:27.07 | Taishi | I did |
| 23:27.21 | Taishi | All it does is removes the objective markers |
| 23:27.28 | Dagmar | I would have HighScoreFu taking screenshots on Kill Shot if it woulnd't mean the whole client freezes a moment while it dumps |
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| 23:27.52 | Gnarfoz | your screen freezes when you press the screenshot key? o_O |
| 23:28.04 | cbreak | it does here. |
| 23:28.10 | cbreak | for about 0.3 seconds |
| 23:28.12 | Dagmar | So long as it's compressing to JPG it'll do that |
| 23:28.13 | Taishi | I think he means programming it to take the screenshot for him |
| 23:28.31 | cbreak | I use EKRaidAttend to make screenshots on all kills |
| 23:28.34 | wereHamster | cbreak, Gnarfoz: of course it needs to freeze, otherwise the screenshot would be blurred :) |
| 23:28.35 | Gnarfoz | Taishi: what? ^^ |
| 23:28.42 | Gnarfoz | wereHamster: nice. haha :D |
| 23:28.43 | Dagmar | werehamster: lol |
| 23:28.48 | Gnarfoz | also, TGA |
| 23:28.53 | cbreak | no motion blur on my ancient hardware :/ |
| 23:28.55 | Taishi | I think the addon takes he screenshot, not him |
| 23:29.01 | Gnarfoz | even more also: wtb more multithreadedness |
| 23:29.03 | Taishi | Or that he's trying to make it do so |
| 23:29.04 | Dagmar | Heck I got accused of tampering with the RNG last week |
| 23:29.14 | Gnarfoz | Taishi: of course? that's a feature HighScoreFu has ;) |
| 23:29.17 | Dagmar | In between two massive kill shots I had almost 70% crits |
| 23:29.23 | cbreak | probably takes a few ms to write 4 mb screenshot to disk |
| 23:29.45 | Taishi | btw, I'm guessing Quset Guru dosen't work with the default quest markers? |
| 23:29.51 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: that shouldn't be tied into the thread responsible for drawing frames on screen >_> |
| 23:29.57 | Dagmar | Just dumb luck, but the DPS graphing later showed me going berzerk |
| 23:30.08 | cbreak | Gnarfoz: don't tell that me :) |
| 23:30.11 | Taishi | Not like I need em but they are a little handy |
| 23:30.23 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: maybe you're a random, incognito Blizz employee. :( |
| 23:30.31 | cbreak | oh, I wish I were |
| 23:33.03 | Adys | "I cant pick up my food with this knife. Please add small forks to it so I can do that." |
| 23:33.09 | Adys | Fucking featurewhores |
| 23:33.20 | Taishi | ? |
| 23:33.26 | Dewin | Would that be a Knork? |
| 23:33.31 | Dewin | Fife is already used... |
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| 23:33.47 | Adys | it could be a Spork |
| 23:33.48 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/419/ |
| 23:33.49 | Bruners | would be better with a microwave oven |
| 23:34.09 | Adys | this guy wants to use a time field so that he can store durations |
| 23:34.24 | cbreak | time field? |
| 23:34.39 | Adys | instead of accepting a different durationfield, he wants to be able to store more than 24 hours what is essentially a day in the year |
| 23:34.45 | Adys | Ive no fucking idea how that would work |
| 23:35.32 | Adys | That sounds interesting, but I tend to prefer using the SQL TIME type. It |
| 23:35.32 | Adys | doesn't feature such precision, but it's more consistent and readable when |
| 23:35.32 | Adys | browsing the database directly: it's a time column and it contains time information. |
| 23:35.37 | cbreak | just store the number of seconds since epoch |
| 23:35.38 | Adys | srtmlhkrpokhlfkhlkfglmhkkrmfghlkrt(h(rt |
| 23:35.39 | cbreak | like anyone |
| 23:35.59 | Adys | cbreak: sql time does that differently |
| 23:36.01 | Adys | there is sql interval |
| 23:36.09 | Adys | but its not available on mysql, sqlite and probably oracle too |
| 23:36.40 | cbreak | you could use a fixed length sting :) |
| 23:36.44 | cbreak | <- feeling evil |
| 23:36.54 | Adys | fu, it's what the guy before me was doing |
| 23:37.00 | Adys | I had to recode his shit so it uses a bigint |
| 23:37.05 | cbreak | haha :) |
| 23:37.08 | cbreak | well done |
| 23:37.18 | cbreak | how big is bigint? |
| 23:37.26 | cbreak | 64bit? |
| 23:37.35 | WobWork | a time period? |
| 23:37.35 | Adys | big enough to store 150 thousand years in microseconds |
| 23:37.42 | WobWork | two datetime fields then? |
| 23:37.44 | Adys | SQLite3 also doesn't complain when setting a time column to eg '900:00:00'. |
| 23:37.46 | Adys | FFS |
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| 23:38.57 | cbreak | what's that supposed to mean? |
| 23:39.03 | cbreak | 900 hours? |
| 23:39.11 | Adys | that means "I'm a fuckwad, please continue" |
| 23:39.58 | Dagmar | Agreed |
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| 23:40.21 | Adys | "I stabbed a guy and he didnt complain. I'll keep stabbing." |
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| 23:41.02 | cbreak | so, you pass dates to SQL as string? |
| 23:41.11 | Dagmar | cbreak: You say this about epoch time, but it's clearly not true |
| 23:41.19 | Adys | ive no idea |
| 23:41.22 | Dagmar | I gotta get back to it, but MythTV stores all it's crap in localtime |
| 23:41.23 | Adys | its different in every database |
| 23:41.41 | Dagmar | I've rounded up about a third of the places I'll have to all patch at once or get told to talk to the hand |
| 23:42.11 | Adys | * Oracle implements SQL92's INTERVAL DAY TO SECOND |
| 23:42.11 | Adys | * Mysql has TIME |
| 23:42.11 | Adys | * PostreSQL has of course the INTERVAL |
| 23:42.11 | Adys | * SQLite3 doesn't support any kind of time fields (datetime, time, |
| 23:42.11 | Adys | interval), but accepts all as legal types. |
| 23:42.12 | Adys | hahah. |
| 23:42.14 | Gnarfoz | Adys: fyi, Oracle has interval |
| 23:42.17 | Dagmar | I suspect possibly we need to start talking to colleges about expelling students who use localtime for anything but local displays |
| 23:42.24 | Gnarfoz | meh, beaten by seconds. |
| 23:42.29 | cbreak | sounds like fun |
| 23:42.37 | cbreak | I'll stay away from databases as long as I can. |
| 23:43.05 | Adys | wow what does this guy have against bigint |
| 23:43.16 | Dagmar | Am I mistaken or does that documenation essentially say "If SQLite3 doesn't know what you're talking about, it'll hum along and try to fake it?" |
| 23:43.22 | durcyn | all software sucks, database servers are proof |
| 23:43.42 | cbreak | check out TeX |
| 23:43.49 | cbreak | if you find a bug, you get lots of money |
| 23:43.59 | cbreak | maybe. :) |
| 23:44.01 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:44.07 | Shirik | why? |
| 23:44.26 | Adys | because you haxxxx everyone. |
| 23:44.47 | Shirik | IE seems like it would beused more than TeX |
| 23:44.59 | Pneumatus | cbreak: still one hexadecimal dollar? |
| 23:45.12 | Gnarfoz | think so |
| 23:45.25 | Shirik | I'll give you 1 base-1024 dollar! |
| 23:45.34 | Shirik | much more valuable than a base-10 dollar |
| 23:45.53 | Pneumatus | owait, it was 1 hex dollar to start with |
| 23:46.17 | Shirik | what about base 1? |
| 23:46.21 | cbreak | "Donald Knuth offers monetary awards to people who find and report a bug in TeX. The award per bug started at $2.56 (one "hexadecimal dollar"[26]) and doubled every year until it was frozen at its current value of $327.68. Knuth, however, has lost relatively little money as there have been very few bugs claimed." |
| 23:46.21 | Gnarfoz | yes, did it change? |
| 23:46.30 | Gnarfoz | ooooh doubled |
| 23:46.41 | Gnarfoz | I see |
| 23:46.48 | Shirik | cbreak: interesting |
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| 23:47.27 | Gnarfoz | the most amazing thing is that, if he's not able to respond soon, he'll add compound interest. |
| 23:47.31 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 23:47.38 | durcyn | whew. Blk_wrtn/s 140354.93 |
| 23:47.39 | Adys | - 1. Find a bug in TeX |
| 23:47.44 | Adys | - 2. Send a bad patch |
| 23:47.53 | Adys | 3, 4, 5. ??? PROFIT |
| 23:48.21 | Gnarfoz | you don't think he'd fix it himself? :p |
| 23:54.13 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:54.33 | Shirik | Here's a fun topic that just came up in class and left me a bit stunned |
| 23:55.05 | Shirik | What exactly IS the difference between source code (e.g., C++) and a formal model (e.g., UML) |
| 23:55.19 | cbreak | Source code is useful. |
| 23:55.28 | Shirik | why is it any more useful? |
| 23:55.43 | Pneumatus | UML is still implementation agnostic |
| 23:55.52 | cbreak | because it's written by the programmer. UML comes from the user, so it's by definition tainted. |
| 23:56.01 | Shirik | theoretically, so are most HLLs Pneumatus |
| 23:56.06 | Shirik | cbreak: Says who? |
| 23:56.15 | Jerub | UML is an amazing way of not writing code instead of writing code. |
| 23:56.18 | Shirik | UML written by the user? I would be very scared |
| 23:56.33 | Shirik | Furthermore, who says the source code has to be written by the programmer |
| 23:56.37 | Jerub | it allows rooms full of highly paid software engineers to not write software. |
| 23:56.43 | Shirik | There are millions of examples of entire programs made from UML itself |
| 23:56.48 | Shirik | instead of the source |
| 23:56.53 | Jerub | Shirik: .. wtf? |
| 23:56.58 | Shirik | literally |
| 23:56.59 | cbreak | then UML IS the sourcecode |
| 23:57.00 | Jerub | maybe one or two, and all of them had to be hand fixed. |
| 23:57.05 | Shirik | negative |
| 23:57.09 | cbreak | lego mindstorms programming, yay. |
| 23:57.10 | Shirik | look up Motorola's mousetrap sometime |
| 23:57.12 | Jerub | uml describes relationships and interactions, not actual functionality. |
| 23:57.16 | Dagmar | This is all about shifting _blame_ |
| 23:57.17 | frontendloader | wow |
| 23:57.20 | Shirik | their ENTIRE telecommunications system for cell phones |
| 23:57.25 | Shirik | is a model, not source |
| 23:57.33 | Dagmar | s/model/mockery/; |
| 23:57.44 | Shirik | cbreak: And therein we come back to my question |
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| 23:57.52 | Shirik | (18:54:41) (@Shirik) What exactly IS the difference between source code (e.g., C++) and a formal model (e.g., UML) |
| 23:58.05 | cbreak | if it's the source for the result, it's a source. |
| 23:58.10 | cbreak | the result is the executable |
| 23:58.23 | cbreak | or I guess the execution for interpreted languages |
| 23:58.25 | Shirik | I mean you can look at it in the other direction too |
| 23:58.29 | Shirik | why is C++ "source code"? |
| 23:58.34 | Shirik | It's not directly executable |
| 23:58.41 | Shirik | it has to become opcodes |
| 23:58.46 | kd3 | because a program knows how to turn it into opcodes? |
| 23:58.47 | Shirik | it is abstracted from the hardware |
| 23:58.59 | Shirik | kd3: And there are tons of programs that know how to turn UML into C++ |
| 23:59.16 | Shirik | and I'm not talking stupid class diagram skeletons |
| 23:59.31 | Shirik | I'm talking classes, state charts, interaction diagrams, component diagrams, tying them all together into an actual program |
| 23:59.33 | kd3 | there's something for uml other than class diagrams? |
