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| 00:00.58 | Fisker | or Iriel, get this, they use this function they already have on the realm transfers to transfer the saved id over with a faction transfer as well! |
| 00:01.28 | Iriel | Assuming there's no technical issue with horde having an alliance saved id |
| 00:01.55 | Fisker | The id isn't the same |
| 00:02.04 | Dagmar | Fisker: You're assuming that instance id's are cross-faction compatible |
| 00:02.04 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/16/funny-pictures-do-science/ |
| 00:02.07 | Fisker | it's generated based on the previous id |
| 00:03.06 | Fisker | Dagmar instance id's aren't cross-server(or rather cross-battlegroup) compatible either, which is why you don't have the same ID, but a generated ID based on that ID |
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| 00:13.23 | Lizz | So, what are some troubleshooting strategies for when an addon works on my machine, but not on someone elses? we've verified we're using the same version, we've cleared their addon's stored data, uhhh what else |
| 00:13.44 | Iriel | What kind of addon is it? |
| 00:13.51 | Iriel | That tends to be a useful thing to know when troubleshooting |
| 00:14.30 | Lizz | one i wrote, it's a small tooltip addon |
| 00:15.46 | Lizz | fortunatly i'm pretty familiar with the code... but it's nothing complicated... i wrote a couple dropdowns and they're not loading the second level |
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| 00:16.31 | Lizz | but like i said, since we've verified that the same code works differently between machines, i'm at a loss... kinda assumed wow would take care of most of that for me :P |
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| 00:18.27 | Lizz | i can provide code if that helps, but i'm not sure why it would |
| 00:18.47 | Shadowed | lots of prints |
| 00:18.55 | Shadowed | print out everything until you can figure out what's different |
| 00:19.04 | Lizz | the code is identical |
| 00:19.10 | Shadowed | lots of prints |
| 00:19.12 | Lizz | lol |
| 00:19.15 | Shadowed | print out everything until you can figure out what's different |
| 00:19.15 | Shadowed | :p |
| 00:19.39 | Xinhuan | identical code can behave differently in different environments |
| 00:19.43 | Shadowed | Even if the code isn't identical, you could be having some wacky issues or another addon conflict etc |
| 00:19.45 | Xinhuan | especially in Lua |
| 00:19.49 | Lizz | no no no as in we both downloaded and installed it from curse, to verify that i'm looking at the version being hosted |
| 00:19.56 | Shadowed | trust me on this lizz |
| 00:20.07 | Xinhuan | any addon can modify any other addon's code in Lua |
| 00:20.08 | Iriel | Guesses |
| 00:20.15 | Shadowed | yea |
| 00:20.15 | Lizz | hmmm Xinhuan that's what i'd like to find out more about |
| 00:20.19 | Xinhuan | sometimes in unexpected ways |
| 00:20.22 | Iriel | 1) You're making assumptions about existing tooltips or frames, rather than calling the right API functions |
| 00:20.25 | Lizz | she's disabled all her addons now |
| 00:20.27 | Xinhuan | for example, all addons modify the default UI |
| 00:20.31 | Iriel | 2) You've got a naming conflict with someone else's addon |
| 00:20.41 | Iriel | 3) Your TOC is wrong and the other person didn't check load out of date affons |
| 00:20.52 | Iriel | 4) They dont have Lua errors turned on and it's failing in a really obvious way |
| 00:21.20 | Iriel | 5) They didn't actually install the addon |
| 00:21.20 | Shadowed | hates Lua errors not being on by default |
| 00:21.28 | Lizz | 1 is pretty likely, 2 is pretty unlikely, 3 is something we checked on, i assumed 4 but i'm verifying that lua errors is on now |
| 00:21.31 | Xinhuan | 6) Some addon is doing tooltips and hooking something and overwriting your hook |
| 00:21.34 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 00:21.38 | Shadowed | #6 is pretty likely |
| 00:21.56 | Lizz | hmm maybe tooltip was the wrong word |
| 00:22.05 | Xinhuan | as for menus, you didn't say what type of menu you were using |
| 00:22.09 | Lizz | it's a frame that just sits on the UI and prints informatino |
| 00:22.11 | Lizz | dropdowns |
| 00:22.20 | Lizz | not loading second level of them |
| 00:22.21 | Iriel | Check /dump GetAddOnInfo("YourAddOnNameHere") |
| 00:22.23 | Xinhuan | UI drop down menu? |
| 00:22.26 | Xinhuan | or dewdrop? |
| 00:22.35 | Iriel | Aha, does it work if they /reload, but not on first login? |
| 00:22.37 | Lizz | UI, based on your guide |
| 00:22.43 | Lizz | never worked |
| 00:22.51 | Lizz | well, sec i'll make sure |
| 00:23.08 | Iriel | (I've noticed that's a semi-frequent issue, authors /reload a LOT, users never) |
| 00:23.12 | Xinhuan | you're going to have to stare at the code then! |
| 00:24.00 | Shadowed | Basically, find the part that's failing then print out and figure out what's different, or bisect search and check for conflicting addons |
| 00:24.05 | Shadowed | are pretty much the two things to do |
| 00:24.05 | Lizz | kk lua errors was not on so i'll work with that now that we've generated one |
| 00:24.09 | Shadowed | or that |
| 00:24.20 | Lizz | *sigh* i agree, should be turned on |
| 00:24.32 | Xinhuan | i'm off, good night ;p |
| 00:24.39 | Lizz | noooo |
| 00:24.47 | Lizz | lol was about to ask him something about his tutorial |
| 00:24.55 | Lizz | you guys probably know though |
| 00:25.12 | Lizz | what does wipe(variable) do? |
| 00:25.18 | Lizz | specifically |
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| 00:25.27 | Lizz | err, wish i knew luabot commants -.- |
| 00:25.35 | Iriel | wipe removes all the entries from a table |
| 00:25.39 | Shadowed | wipe -> table.wipe |
| 00:25.47 | Iriel | basically for k in pairs(t) do t[k] = nil; end |
| 00:26.05 | Lizz | okay cool |
| 00:26.18 | Fisker | i should've been sleeping now Shadowed |
| 00:26.20 | Fisker | you are a bad man |
| 00:26.21 | Lizz | that explains it, though at some point i'm confused as to why i never had this problem |
| 00:26.23 | Shadowed | what did I do |
| 00:26.59 | Fisker | i |
| 00:27.06 | Fisker | i'm just blaming you |
| 00:27.19 | Shadowed | good |
| 00:27.21 | Shadowed | maybe you'll die |
| 00:27.37 | Shadowed | and I'll get a nobel prize for world something |
| 00:27.41 | Lizz | i'm just gonna remove wipe and re-assign the variable i was using on each dropdown initialization call |
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| 00:27.43 | Fisker | i sure hope so |
| 00:28.08 | Fisker | nobel prize of taking out the trash? |
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| 00:41.00 | NeoTron | so I tested STO a bit (tutorial plus a couple of post-tutorial missions). verdict is "has potential but is far from release ready" |
| 00:41.22 | NeoTron | which means it'll be released just as it is, with "I'm on the ground as a shop lolol" bug still there... |
| 00:41.57 | Iriel | NeoTron: Yeah, it's been that way for some time, I'm not very hopeful |
| 00:42.17 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
| 00:44.13 | NeoTron | also it seems they borrowed the AI ally routines from Champions... with all 4 of my away team being stuck behind a table in a previous room... |
| 00:48.27 | Dagmar | Hey at least they fixed crouching |
| 00:50.27 | Iriel | and being stuck in the wrong zone during an intro quest with no way to leave or proceed |
| 00:52.19 | NeoTron | ~in either case, has potential but... Cryptic. I mean even SOE would be better :P |
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| 00:53.53 | Nechckn | NeoTron That is basically my thought, too. |
| 00:54.22 | Nechckn | It is not bad, but still needs some work. Not even sure what, but it is missing something. |
| 00:54.55 | Dagmar | Responsive controls? |
| 00:55.37 | Dagmar | Some hint of what you can actually put in those slots your bridge crew have? |
| 00:55.48 | Dagmar | You mouse over it, and nothing |
| 00:56.00 | Iriel | Dagmar: you get consoles |
| 00:56.01 | Dagmar | Maps |
| 00:56.05 | Iriel | If those are the slots you mean? |
| 00:56.13 | Dagmar | Consoles go in the ship as far as I can tell |
| 00:56.25 | Dagmar | Your bridge crew have a limited subset of the same slots for gear you do |
| 00:56.33 | Dagmar | You can give them better weapons--if you could FIND ANY |
| 00:56.42 | Iriel | There's tons of better weapons |
| 00:56.44 | Iriel | or were |
| 00:56.47 | Dagmar | I've not seen anything yet that's not a downgrade from standard |
| 00:56.48 | Iriel | drops off things in missions |
| 00:57.01 | Dagmar | Aside from maybe the "Hey look at me" gun |
| 00:57.06 | Iriel | they're all the same, mind you |
| 00:57.19 | Iriel | (i.e. there are many in quantity, few in variety) |
| 00:57.23 | Dagmar | I give that to my tactical officer and he uses it and no one shoots me |
| 00:57.28 | Dagmar | It's okay. He's wearing a red shirt. |
| 00:58.00 | Nechckn | I would like it if you could have folks on the ship with you, to many the various "substations" sort of like PotC, where you could go out yourself, but you could also take live crew to man individual cannons. |
| 00:58.12 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 00:58.14 | WobWork | Responsive controls would be nice =) |
| 00:58.23 | Dagmar | I wouldn't really care if it were Puzzle Pirates style minigames |
| 00:58.36 | theorbtwo | Security is red again? |
| 00:58.40 | Iriel | <3 puzzle pirates - there should be more like that |
| 00:58.41 | Dagmar | WobWork: The first thing I maxed was ship movement, and it's still like a garbage scow |
| 00:58.57 | Dagmar | Granted, it's no longer a garbage scow loaded with bricks |
| 00:58.59 | WobWork | I'm like "BROADSIDE FASTER, DAMMIT" |
| 00:59.13 | Dagmar | I can't find any use for the weapons other than the 250' range phasers |
| 00:59.15 | Nechckn | Lol, "Fire All" -> Mash! |
| 00:59.15 | NeoTron | one thing I noticed in the away mission with 4 npc |
| 00:59.20 | WobWork | so true |
| 00:59.30 | NeoTron | is that when we encountered a group of enemies, they all went for me even if I didn't shoot |
| 00:59.30 | WobWork | *hammer spacebar* |
| 00:59.38 | Dagmar | Even the dual disruptors I got don't seem to do any better than a single one |
| 00:59.49 | Dagmar | Neotron: That would be because you're in front |
| 01:00.02 | Dagmar | I set a rally point around a corner someplace with a good distance for shooting, then pop off a shot and RUN |
| 01:00.05 | NeoTron | Dagmar: no, they were in front of me |
| 01:00.08 | Nechckn | Some things like that could be coming soon - but it would be nice if it is *soon* for weaps and such. |
| 01:00.11 | NeoTron | in line of sight still |
| 01:00.14 | Dagmar | ...so instead of having all day to shoot me, they come a running into an ambush |
| 01:00.21 | NeoTron | but they aggro the enemy, and zoom my shields are gone |
| 01:00.36 | Nechckn | I do think it is better than Tabula Rasa, though heheheh |
| 01:00.46 | NeoTron | it's not horrible. just unpolished |
| 01:00.51 | Dagmar | Yeah but not by enough to represent the time between then and now |
| 01:00.51 | Nechckn | That game had such hype and was just so terrible. |
| 01:00.55 | NeoTron | well... of course I can't speak for the game as a whole |
| 01:01.20 | Dagmar | Earlier I got team mates on an open mission who wern't afraid of the keyboard |
| 01:01.21 | NeoTron | I predict it'll survive but not be anything nearing success |
| 01:01.36 | Nechckn | Yep.. I only did the tutorial and then a couple extras, so do plan to play some more. Maybe it'll get better. HA! |
| 01:01.39 | Dagmar | We agreed to focus fire on "whatever looked weakest". |
| 01:01.43 | Dagmar | Klingons pwned |
| 01:01.43 | NeoTron | I did like the open (space) mission where it was me and 4 other people |
| 01:02.05 | NeoTron | even if I did notice the enemy focus tendency they posted about in the state of the game (where enemies all burn down one ship first) |
| 01:02.06 | Dagmar | Everyone's so (astonishingly) worried about kill-stealing |
| 01:02.20 | WobWork | I dunno if it's a movement skill level or something, but both the space and ground movements seem... slow |
| 01:02.26 | Nechckn | Oh.. and there seriously need to be more ship types. |
| 01:02.30 | WobWork | I guess I'm used to WoW |
| 01:02.30 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Yeah don't be the dummy who runs in first and then tries to turn away from the entire squad blowing their shields off |
| 01:02.30 | NeoTron | space definitely feels laggy |
| 01:02.47 | Iriel | I ended up in reverse ALL THE TIME |
| 01:02.49 | NeoTron | I thought ground was ok especially with spring |
| 01:02.52 | NeoTron | sprint |
| 01:02.52 | Dagmar | You wanna stomp the breaks at about 10.5km and just wait for someone else to cross that line |
| 01:02.55 | Nechckn | See, my space outings were really quite fun and responsive. |
| 01:03.06 | Nechckn | No joke.. the ground was the part where I had issues. |
| 01:03.16 | NeoTron | I believe you |
| 01:03.24 | NeoTron | it was fun, I stayed up till almost 2 am |
| 01:03.25 | Iriel | I enjoyed much of the space part except for engine speed (and obviously inertia) |
| 01:03.25 | Dagmar | Iriel: becuase popping into reverse you can generally steer well enough to just keep your fore weapons trained on them no matter what they do |
| 01:03.38 | WobWork | yay physics! |
| 01:03.40 | NeoTron | ofc partially because I Started at like 12:30 or so since the servers are too busy to let me in |
| 01:03.42 | Dagmar | Putting mines in the back and doing that is slow, but highly effects. |
| 01:03.49 | Iriel | I didn't have a single experience with other people who knew what they were doing |
| 01:03.58 | Dagmar | It doesn't matter who comes near you if you've been popping mines using the "SHOOT ALL LOL" button |
| 01:04.10 | WobWork | *hammer spacebar* |
| 01:04.13 | Nechckn | Yeah.. I wonder how big the previous beta/alphas were. |
| 01:04.19 | NeoTron | autofire ftw? |
| 01:04.19 | Dagmar | THey get near, the mines dogpile them and drop their shield, you kick on high-yeild torpedoes and tear them a new one |
| 01:04.33 | Nechckn | Seemed like everyone was like How do you move? and the like... |
| 01:04.36 | NeoTron | although hammering buttons is hardly new |
| 01:04.50 | NeoTron | Nechckn: maybe I was lucky but the 3 other ships in my open mission all seemed capable |
| 01:04.52 | WobWork | NeoTron: eh, it's usually 'frantically clickattacking' |
| 01:04.54 | Dagmar | I would be much happier if I could use a freaking stick to control the ship |
| 01:05.11 | NeoTron | WobWork: I meant it'd be nice to have autofire |
| 01:05.14 | NeoTron | at least for phasers |
| 01:05.19 | Dagmar | There's little point to bothering with tilting up/down, since you can't actually barrel roll |
| 01:05.31 | WobWork | "Do a Barrel Roll!" |
| 01:05.45 | WobWork | \o/ |
| 01:05.47 | Dagmar | Pretty much all it does is slow you down, and you've got an obnoxious throttle for that |
| 01:05.56 | Dagmar | Asteroids would be more useful if they were a bit larger |
| 01:06.05 | WobWork | I wanted to do the Picard Manouvre |
| 01:06.20 | WobWork | even though I can't remember what it was, just that it was flippy cool and involved quantum |
| 01:06.25 | Dagmar | I would like to see people blow up if they fly into an asteroid or each other |
| 01:07.02 | Dagmar | Right now you can blast straight into an asteroid head on and it doesn't even scuff the paint |
| 01:07.06 | theorbtwo | WobWork: No quantum, just warp. Move at warp speed for a fraction of a second. Then shoot before the enemy realizes they moved. |
| 01:07.17 | Nechckn | Maybe they have that off or limited for now.. just to give time for folks to get used to moving. |
| 01:07.19 | theorbtwo | That, or get up and pull your shirt back down. |
| 01:07.42 | NeoTron | that said, you're flying large starships not fighters |
| 01:07.53 | Nechckn | Lol, I think the shirt-pull-down is the Official one. |
| 01:07.54 | NeoTron | so slow turning really just makes it more tactical than action which really is fine |
| 01:08.14 | Dagmar | Shirt pull down? |
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| 01:08.27 | Nechckn | Picard had like a nervous tick |
| 01:08.32 | Dagmar | Oh |
| 01:08.42 | Nechckn | Where every time he stood, he would pull his shirt down to flatten it out. |
| 01:08.45 | NeoTron | Dagmar: yeah I crashed into an asteroid by mistake. IT doing nothing was sort of anti-climatic :P |
| 01:08.55 | Nechckn | Everyone else's uniforms seemed to fit fine, but his. ;-) |
| 01:09.29 | Nechckn | Oh... and what is with beards?? Do all of these games need like 40 choices? |
| 01:10.05 | Nechckn | I did like the options for characters and the like, that seems fairly well thought out. |
| 01:10.15 | theorbtwo | Nechckn: I can never find mine when I want to make a char that looks like me. |
| 01:10.21 | Dagmar | That seems like a straight up reskin of the Champions Online interface |
| 01:10.40 | Nechckn | Never played Champions Online, so dunno. |
| 01:10.44 | Dagmar | I keep waiting for it to say "Fancy headset unlocked!" |
| 01:11.21 | Nechckn | theorbtwo you must have one whackey style. |
| 01:11.23 | Dagmar | Drat. Something's knackered in RAwr again |
| 01:11.30 | Dagmar | It's valuating +int gems over +attack power gems |
| 01:12.05 | Dagmar | Ah I see. |
| 01:12.06 | theorbtwo | Nechckn: In a way. I mostly just can't be arsed triming it. |
| 01:12.26 | Dagmar | It's screwing up and putting the attack power bonus of int gems on the pet |
| 01:12.34 | Nechckn | Lol.. so you need the "Entire face scruff" option? |
| 01:12.42 | Nechckn | Dagmar yikes |
| 01:12.54 | Dagmar | Yeah I'll just disable all the int gems for now |
| 01:13.07 | theorbtwo | Nechckn: Quite so. |
| 01:13.18 | theorbtwo | The Wild Man of Borenao look. |
| 01:13.47 | Dagmar | I would have liked sideburns that are continuous |
| 01:14.24 | Dagmar | All those options had a serious gap near the eear |
| 01:14.25 | NeoTron | CO and STO have similar customization for sure |
| 01:14.51 | NeoTron | but STO is really more about the actual racial traits (face especially) where CO is much more about the costume |
| 01:15.04 | Dagmar | s/more about/all about/; |
| 01:15.07 | NeoTron | not entirely |
| 01:15.12 | NeoTron | but mostly |
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| 01:21.08 | Nechckn | Now if they just allowed AddOns, it would be all set! |
| 01:21.41 | Dagmar | Egads |
| 01:21.59 | Nechckn | Not that every game "needs" them, but at least heavy interface mods at a minimum. |
| 01:22.08 | Dagmar | I need to find some rich night elf women that like dwarves |
| 01:22.09 | NeoTron | it actually becomes very clear that addons can help a game significantly |
| 01:22.23 | NeoTron | I can assure you I wouldn't be playing WoW without addons still |
| 01:22.40 | Dagmar | I think I'm just going to go after that orc tonight with the same gear I was wearing last night |
| 01:22.47 | Nechckn | Sure... then the devs can sort of put off such things as Interface dev and focus on other things. |
| 01:23.00 | Dagmar | I'm not ready to blow another 600g on gems (again) so soon |
| 01:23.03 | Nechckn | Lol, what Orc are you chasing, Dagmar? |
| 01:23.09 | Dagmar | The orc in ICC |
| 01:23.12 | Nechckn | Ahhhh |
| 01:23.32 | Dagmar | We're going to take another whack at him tonight, since there'll be people more willing to pug one boss because of the reset |
| 01:23.41 | Dagmar | If I get any more gear I'm screwed |
| 01:24.01 | Dagmar | The cost of regemming is eating me alive |
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| 01:25.33 | WobWork | dittos NeoTron |
| 01:25.44 | WobWork | I'd've stopped playing WoW years ago if it weren't for addons |
| 01:26.44 | Trela | I am looking to FFXIV or TERA. |
| 01:26.48 | Nechckn | I mean, it is amazing... one person has a FPS type setup, another has a Pagan, flowery, big shared media setup, and another has some minimalist craziness. Wild. |
| 01:27.20 | Nechckn | Trela I am eager to try FFXIV, played FFXII for about a year and a half and it was so very cool. |
| 01:27.23 | Trela | Computer setups, Nechckn? |
| 01:27.41 | WobWork | UI setups |
| 01:27.44 | WobWork | I think |
| 01:28.00 | Trela | needs to figure out what to do with WoW. |
| 01:28.14 | Nechckn | WoW Interface types with AddOns, Trela. |
| 01:28.38 | Trela | nods, explodes. |
| 01:28.44 | Nechckn | Just waxing poetic about the glories of heavy interface modification and how amazing it can be. |
| 01:29.26 | Nechckn | Figure out? |
| 01:29.30 | Trela | Now only if they could make WoW more entertaining at the same time. |
| 01:29.36 | Nechckn | Ah |
| 01:29.57 | Nechckn | My stable of Alts helps to keep things lively |
| 01:30.09 | Trela | The "stand still, monster dies" play style is old. |
| 01:34.55 | Nechckn | Hang in BGs for a while? |
| 01:35.32 | Nechckn | I tend to go back and forth between that and soloing with the different characters/classes - it tends to keep things pretty engaging. |
| 01:36.47 | Ginji | Trela: one word, Bejeweled |
| 01:43.27 | Ginji | Oh look at that, mmochamp even has a post on them again |
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| 03:07.44 | Nechckn | Do blood DKs have some like flaming snowball ability that they are able to launch when mounted? |
| 03:13.52 | Kraps | Nechckn: dont we all? |
| 03:14.46 | Nechckn | Not sure how else to describe it.. what is it? |
| 03:15.05 | Nechckn | This guy is like shooting these things all over IF, and there is a long range. |
| 03:16.15 | Kraps | a rocket? |
| 03:16.55 | Nechckn | Hrm.. perhaps. |
| 03:17.57 | Nechckn | It's just odd, because he is riding around shooting these things and when they hit it's like the flamestrike. |
| 03:18.09 | Nechckn | They don't go up in the air |
| 03:18.15 | Nechckn | Errr.. |
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| 03:18.43 | Nechckn | They go up in the air, but they actually hit a surface and explode, rather than the sky rockets from festivals. |
| 03:23.34 | kd3 | lol. I'm cringing, but still, lmao. fark: You're a DJ and there's a suicidal woman holding up traffic, so you C) Take commuter's request for Van Halen's "Jump" |
| 03:25.02 | Kraps | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/97406-Are-You-Ready-for-Call-of-Twilight-Modern-Warfare-2 |
| 03:42.43 | WobWork | kd3: Or House of Pain |
| 03:45.40 | kdtresh | kris kross? |
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| 04:23.02 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "... this is fucking fantastic." - Jerub |
| 04:27.15 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Price? I haven't seen one yety |
| 04:27.22 | Shirik | though I imagine it would be around the original model's price |
| 04:29.53 | Arrowmaster | its "to be continued" episodes that keep me watching a series instead of getting bored with it |
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| 04:32.07 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: we need more series where it's not necessary |
| 04:32.58 | Arrowmaster | monday night is my tv night |
| 04:33.16 | Arrowmaster | ive got 6 files queued up to download from an xdcc bot right now |
| 04:33.53 | Arrowmaster | castle, big bang theory, heroes, chuck, 24, another 24 |
| 04:34.14 | WobWork | I like Castle |
| 04:34.46 | WobWork | I should restart getting the eps |
| 04:38.04 | Arrowmaster | i guess all these tv shows im watching right now are to make up for the shitty anime season |
| 04:41.49 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: 5K from what i saw |
| 04:41.57 | Shirik | ?? |
| 04:42.09 | Shirik | where |
| 04:43.42 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: http://www.digitalrev.com/en/canon-ef-70-200mm-f2-dot-8-l-is-ii-7697.html |
| 04:44.01 | Shirik | ouch |
| 04:44.08 | Shirik | I'm sure it will drop after a few months or so |
| 04:44.18 | Shirik | that's like double the original model |
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| 05:01.39 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/z/67/the-storm-peaks/ |
| 05:01.40 | Adys | Weird |
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| 05:05.35 | kd3 | huh, neat. subzones have level data too |
| 05:06.32 | frontendloader | hrm |
| 05:06.55 | kd3 | here's the whole list (of zones, not subzones): http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Mapname&action=edit |
| 05:07.17 | frontendloader | lets say I have a frame that is set to the flow layout, populated with 10 buttons |
| 05:07.25 | frontendloader | how would I add a button to the bottom of that frame? |
| 05:07.49 | frontendloader | do I need to make another frame to put it inside of that doesn't have the flow layout? |
| 05:11.39 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5450204/in-the-uk-steve-jobs-is-a-footballer |
| 05:11.55 | Jerub | .. i just had an idea for an android app/wow addon. |
| 05:12.00 | kd3 | fel; er, yah. I think so. attach it to the bottom of the frame and stick the button in it |
| 05:12.14 | kd3 | 's a little rusty on the widget ui |
| 05:12.21 | Jerub | making a qrcode in wow that when scanned with the android scanner will pull up an armory profile.. |
| 05:12.37 | Thunder_Child | thats not the only thing you are rusty with |
| 05:14.29 | frontendloader | ah I want to create an inlinegroup widget |
| 05:17.41 | Thunder_Child | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2010/01/cellphone.png |
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| 05:24.10 | frontendloader | yeah I can't seem to get it :/ |
| 05:28.12 | frontendloader | tried with the fill style too |
| 05:28.23 | frontendloader | and that just made my first subframe push my second one out of existance |
| 05:36.30 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5451458/blizzard-worth-7-million-in-1995-7-billion-in-2007 |
| 05:36.33 | frontendloader | do child frames automatically use the same layout as parent frames? |
| 05:36.40 | WobWork | http://woodgears.ca/eyeball/index.html |
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| 05:43.20 | Shirik | wow... |
| 05:43.27 | Shirik | an army commercial just talked about software engineers |
| 05:44.02 | Shirik | Cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/0PJCj.jpg |
| 05:45.00 | Shirik | (though, someone needs to l2whitebalance) |
| 05:49.41 | Jerub | Shirik: the army is all about software. |
| 05:49.52 | Jerub | if they could work out how to do without soldiers, they would. |
| 05:49.54 | Shirik | I thought they were all about shooting people |
| 05:50.04 | Jerub | ideally, your robots kill their humans. |
| 05:50.15 | Thunder_Child | you people are bitter |
| 05:50.24 | Shirik | bitter? |
| 05:50.39 | Shirik | I give you (00:43:41) (@Shirik) Cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/0PJCj.jpg |
| 05:50.43 | Shirik | I do not think I can be bitter after that |
| 05:51.09 | Thunder_Child | about the military "<Shirik> I thought they were all about shooting people" |
| 05:51.18 | Shirik | well they are |
| 05:51.32 | Shirik | haven't you ever played CoD? |
| 05:51.40 | Jerub | http://xkcd.com/652/ |
| 05:54.33 | Kraps | http://www.popcap.com/games/peggle?cid=WoW:Peggle is blocked because it is currently categorized as: Spyware / Malware Sources Games |
| 05:56.37 | Corrodias | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.31 | Shirik | Kraps: It takes advantage of a code execution vulnerability in WoW! |
| 05:57.41 | Shirik | Anyone can write code and trick users into installing it1 |
| 05:57.56 | Kraps | ur doin it rong |
| 05:58.04 | Shirik | :P |
| 05:58.10 | Kraps | !!!!1111!!!!eleven!!!!! |
| 05:58.17 | Shirik | It's just as bad as Wikipedia's "Your site has a huge security vulnerability! Anyone can edit!" |
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| 06:02.43 | Kraps | 1 week and 16 hours |
| 06:02.51 | Kraps | gogog |
| 06:02.55 | Shirik | ?? |
| 06:03.10 | Kraps | ME2 |
| 06:03.18 | Shirik | bleh |
| 06:03.29 | Kraps | shut up! |
| 06:06.17 | Kraps | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14890-NameScore.html |
| 06:06.39 | Shirik | lol! |
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| 07:26.42 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/18/funny-pictures-your-prozac/ |
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| 07:47.03 | Fisker | slaps zenzio around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:47.05 | Fisker | "oops" |
| 07:52.50 | Dezzi | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131657 having some trouble with the CreateGUI() method on line 314 |
| 07:53.07 | Dezzi | if the GUI is showing already I don't want a second one to be created |
| 07:54.58 | Dezzi | that part works but even after I close it it still thinks it is showing? |
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| 08:00.05 | frontendloader | bah |
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| 08:05.54 | Fisker | previously on, lets all harass zenzio. |
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| 08:20.28 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/35573/arcanist-asarina/ |
| 08:20.30 | Adys | MAPS |
| 08:21.43 | Shadowed | those are some ugly maps |
| 08:21.44 | Fisker | spams |
| 08:21.46 | Shadowed | wheres the pretty border |
| 08:21.53 | Shadowed | also I want zoom |
| 08:21.56 | Shadowed | chop chop Adys! |
| 08:21.58 | Fisker | your mom is a border |
| 08:22.04 | Shadowed | A damn fine border |
| 08:22.14 | Adys | Shadowed: yeah, ill add it when i come back home |
| 08:22.29 | Adys | more to the point, theres a bigger issue, i still forgot to add support for multifloor maps |
| 08:22.30 | Shadowed | rainbow border please |
| 08:22.32 | Fisker | where's my ignore feature in EG btw? |
| 08:22.32 | Adys | so no dalaran map yet |
| 08:22.38 | Shadowed | with sparkles |
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| 08:23.07 | Adys | Kalroth ! |
| 08:23.09 | Adys | Kalrottie! |
| 08:23.11 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/35573/arcanist-asarina/ |
| 08:23.17 | Adys | look at me proudie |
| 08:24.35 | Kalroth | hot! |
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| 08:36.41 | DWSR | Holy. Shit. |
| 08:36.51 | DWSR | You guys read Keleseth's abilities in the new wing? |
| 08:37.28 | DWSR | His main nuke deals 94k shadow damage. On normal. |
| 08:37.55 | DWSR | His normal nuke hits like a truck that's pulling another truck that's being accelerated by a particle collider. |
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| 08:38.48 | zenzio | quick, get his shield down so we can interrupt his casting! Tank, Shield Wall the first one! |
| 08:38.50 | Adys | people said that about patchwerk |
| 08:39.05 | DWSR | Adys: You're supposed to ranged tank Keleseth. |
| 08:39.17 | zenzio | Kael'Thas' what was it, Pyroblast? was similar |
| 08:39.20 | DWSR | I'm pretty sure Patchwerk's Hatefuls didn't hit for like 200% tank health. |
| 08:39.23 | zenzio | I'm pretty confident there's an easy explanation |
| 08:39.34 | Adys | DWSR: level 60 yes they did :) |
| 08:39.47 | DWSR | No they didn't. |
| 08:39.51 | zenzio | there's a reason people used to speak Patchwerk's name with awe |
| 08:39.56 | Adys | yes, they fucking did |
| 08:40.10 | Adys | i wiped long enough on that boss back when it "mattered". |
| 08:40.13 | DWSR | They absolutely did not. 120 or 130% MAYBE. |
| 08:40.29 | Adys | so? its not like 94k is 200% of tank health |
| 08:40.36 | DWSR | Adys: You're ranged tanking him. |
| 08:40.38 | Adys | raidbuffed, fully geared tanks have 60k hp |
| 08:40.43 | Adys | it doesnt matter |
| 08:40.45 | DWSR | You have maybe 30k health as a ranged. |
| 08:41.12 | Adys | whats your point? |
| 08:41.19 | zenzio | DWSR: I'll stick by my "I'm confident there's an easy trick to it" explanation |
| 08:41.25 | DWSR | zenzio: Oh, there is. |
| 08:41.34 | Adys | its either a resist fight or some shitty thing like that |
| 08:41.37 | DWSR | You have to stack up a 30% shadow dmg reduction buff, similar to rotface. |
| 08:41.45 | Adys | seen it, downed it. twin emps |
| 08:42.01 | Adys | afk |
| 08:42.07 | DWSR | Twin emps, again, didn't hit for 200% tank health as a main nuke. |
| 08:42.21 | DWSR | This is like Gormok hitting for 70k on plate. |
| 08:42.29 | DWSR | before implae. |
| 08:42.30 | DWSR | impale* |
| 08:42.39 | Adys | do you even remember vanilla? |
| 08:42.41 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 08:42.44 | zenzio | you're making it sound like you want zero challenge in raids |
| 08:42.46 | Adys | you know? when we had 6k hp? |
| 08:42.51 | Adys | idd zenzio |
| 08:42.54 | Adys | laziness ftl |
| 08:43.02 | DWSR | zenzio: I do. It's normal mode. I have to carry scrubs in normal mode. |
| 08:43.09 | DWSR | zenzio: He can hit for 200k on heroic mode, I don't give a shit. |
| 08:43.19 | Adys | thats a retarded way of thinking |
| 08:43.21 | DWSR | No it's not. |
| 08:43.33 | DWSR | It's how Blizzard thinks. Make it easy enough for everyone to see it. |
| 08:43.55 | Adys | remind me who saw algalon? |
| 08:44.02 | DWSR | I have. |
| 08:44.07 | Adys | in 10 man, yes |
| 08:44.07 | DWSR | Killed it on 10 too. |
| 08:44.18 | Adys | with the same scrubs that cant get a simple buff? |
| 08:44.21 | Adys | nice work. |
| 08:44.53 | DWSR | Adys: We couldn't kill him on 25 because...guess what...we have 10 retarded people in the raid who die to enviro on >25% of attempts. |
| 08:45.08 | Adys | irrelevant |
| 08:45.12 | DWSR | Yet, we've been able to kill everything but Putricide. |
| 08:45.23 | DWSR | So basically my argument is similar to the reason they nerfed Deathwhisper. |
| 08:45.28 | DWSR | They shouldn't be that hard. |
| 08:45.31 | Adys | wow, so have we and my guild is casual to the bone |
| 08:46.30 | Adys | point is, this shit will be way too easy in three weeks without any nerf |
| 08:46.37 | DWSR | So, I suppose that I'll have to reserve final judgement for when I actually attempt them tomorrow night, but both BQL and the Princes sound rediculous. |
| 08:46.42 | Adys | people gear up fast with those bullshit emblems dropping everywhere |
| 08:46.45 | DWSR | Adys: Content's gated right now for a reason. |
| 08:46.52 | DWSR | Normal is SUPPOSED to be EZMODE. |
| 08:46.57 | zenzio | disagree |
| 08:46.58 | DWSR | That's why they HAVE heroic mode. |
| 08:47.09 | Adys | normal isnt supposed to be easy mode |
| 08:47.14 | Adys | heroic is supposed to be hard mode |
| 08:47.17 | Adys | thats a difference |
| 08:47.20 | zenzio | normal is supposed to be easiER, not easy |
| 08:47.25 | Adys | if you want free loot, go do naxx |
| 08:47.39 | DWSR | lol, heroics offer better loot now. |
| 08:47.47 | Adys | giving a shit. |
| 08:47.54 | Adys | zenzio: flame him while I'm away please |
| 08:47.57 | Adys | laters |
| 08:49.24 | zenzio | http://clientsfromhell.tumblr.com/ \o/ |
| 08:53.25 | Shirik | I just learned there was a word "Shirk" |
| 08:53.37 | zenzio | shirks responsibility for that |
| 08:53.46 | Fisker | Shirik's |
| 08:53.47 | NightHawkTheSane | "just" |
| 08:53.53 | Shirik | v. (transitive) To avoid, especially a duty, responsibility, etc.; to stay away from. |
| 08:53.55 | NightHawkTheSane | jeeze, way to shirk on your vocabulary |
| 08:53.56 | Shirik | ^ wtf... |
| 08:54.08 | NightHawkTheSane | (see what i did there? :P) |
| 08:54.20 | zenzio | NightHawkTheSane: TC would be proud :-p |
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| 08:56.30 | Wobin | no matter how many times I hear it, the "Star Wars: John Williams is the Man" arrangement is still awesome |
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| 09:10.27 | Fisker | I give you one chance. Pledge fealty to me, and perhaps I will not slaughter you for your insolence. |
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| 09:15.10 | Torhal | Fisker: Your oppression merits investigation. |
| 09:19.39 | Fisker | no |
| 09:23.29 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
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| 09:34.01 | ZorbaBeta | y'know what I'd love |
| 09:34.04 | ZorbaBeta | heirloom enchantments |
| 09:40.06 | NightHawkTheSane | you know what I'D love? |
| 09:40.43 | NightHawkTheSane | my debit card back. >< |
| 09:40.49 | NightHawkTheSane | also, perhaps friends that aren't total flakes. |
| 09:41.04 | NightHawkTheSane | (those are mostly unrelated) |
| 09:41.51 | Kaso | ZorbaBeta: Crusader, 4 stats, ZG shoulder enchant, etc? |
| 09:42.32 | Wobin | sigh |
| 09:42.35 | Fisker | ZorbaBeta enchants that work on heirlooms or "heirloom" enchants? |
| 09:42.44 | Wobin | my -first- run in HoL as a bear tank at 79 |
| 09:42.57 | Wobin | and the goddamn Seal of the Pantheon drops |
| 09:43.36 | ZorbaBeta | fisker, heirloom enchants |
| 09:43.56 | ZorbaBeta | it's kind of weird that there's this huge market for best-in-slot classic enchants, and it's equally weird that these enchants start sucking at high levels |
| 09:43.59 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm guessing you mean enchants specifically for heirlooms? that scale with level as well? |
| 09:43.59 | Fisker | so ones that scale with level? |
| 09:44.06 | ZorbaBeta | I want the enchant to level up with me, the heirloom already does :P |
| 09:44.23 | Fisker | yeah would be nice |
| 09:44.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: then what would be the point of having the enchant at all? why not just roll it into the heirloom item itself? |
| 09:44.33 | ZorbaBeta | nighthawk, I was just typing that that would be an alternative option ;) |
| 09:44.33 | Fisker | especially if you could use head and shoulder enchants |
| 09:44.49 | ZorbaBeta | get rid of enchants on heirlooms entirely, boost the itemization budget a bit |
| 09:44.51 | Kaso | i guess some degree of customisation NightHawkTheSane |
| 09:44.53 | zenzio | level 60: +2% dodge on cloak. Level 80: +20% dodge \o/ |
| 09:44.57 | Jerub | what's the url for the shuttdown notices? |
| 09:44.58 | NightHawkTheSane | personally, i like that it;s given (some, perhaps unintentional) life to classic enchants |
| 09:45.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaso: meh, there's very little, though. |
| 09:45.20 | ZorbaBeta | zenzio, level 60, +2% dodge on cloak (x dodge rating). level 80, +2% dodge on cloak (3x dodge rating) |
| 09:45.25 | Fisker | You could just have heirloom enchants require a mix of materials NightHawkTheSane |
| 09:45.50 | zenzio | ZorbaBeta: I know, I just found it an amusing fictional example |
| 09:45.55 | amro | Jerub: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus |
| 09:45.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: actually, if they let you have a decent selection of differnet possible enchants, that'd be nice |
| 09:46.52 | ZorbaBeta | night, yeah, that's not a bad idea |
| 09:47.01 | ZorbaBeta | right now it's pretty much a single best-in-slot enchant that everyone gets. |
| 09:47.10 | NightHawkTheSane | probably more trouble than its worth, though |
| 09:48.18 | ZorbaBeta | probably |
| 09:48.36 | ZorbaBeta | I'd somewhat prefer the solution where they just de-enchanted heirlooms and boosted the itemization a bit, but I suppose there would be a lot of whining :P |
| 09:48.39 | Kaso | NightHawkTheSane: in hindsight your arugment against heirloom enchants works just as well against normal enchants, why not just roll it into the stats? |
| 09:48.52 | ZorbaBeta | kaso, resource sink and customizability |
| 09:49.01 | ZorbaBeta | the second part could be claimed as a precursor to reforging ;) |
| 09:49.35 | Kaso | then those are arguments for heirloom enchants as well. |
| 09:50.02 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a lot more customizability available at 80 (or whatever max level) than at <80, though |
| 09:50.30 | ZorbaBeta | nighthawk, it's arguable that that's a flaw in the game design. I feel like the game does a crappy job of teaching people how to gear themselves |
| 09:50.31 | NightHawkTheSane | (although, I'll admit, the choices avilable for heirloom slots is annoyingly limited) |
| 09:50.47 | ZorbaBeta | as you level up, you can do a reasonably good job with "does it have the right stats on it? then replace my current gear with it". |
| 09:50.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: it does, but the game right now is also too complex to eyeball stats for most classes :P |
| 09:50.57 | ZorbaBeta | then you hit 80 and oh god hit arp exp how do I balance these |
| 09:51.07 | ZorbaBeta | it's not even just eyeballing, though, it's like, understanding what the stats do. |
| 09:51.13 | ZorbaBeta | I've had people claim that hit is useless below level 80. |
| 09:51.15 | ZorbaBeta | and it's just not. |
| 09:52.23 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i think it's inter-related. |
| 09:52.38 | zenzio | "These stock photos of Native Americans don’t look very Native American. Can we try Philippinos?" |
| 09:52.53 | Kaso | i'd say a fairly high percentage of people even at max level dont really understand the stats, the might be rolling all BiS enchants and gems and gear, but only because someone told them sp is worth 5.4 crit is worth 6.5 etc etc whatever |
| 09:52.58 | NightHawkTheSane | there's enough numbers going on behind the scenes that they dont tell you about so even the very easy-to-eyeball stuff is (potentially) difficult to guess at, because you dont know |
| 09:53.25 | ZorbaBeta | kaso, true |
| 09:53.54 | ZorbaBeta | and in fairness people also vastly underestimate the complexity of the stats, and even most good players at 80 pretty much fail to comprehend how they fit together. |
| 09:53.55 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i'll say straight up, while i can follow the math some peole use, i could never do it myself |
| 09:56.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think, however, the game would benefit by having everything dumbed down to the point where the average person -could- eyeball it and fully understand the stats and how they would affect their character |
| 09:56.29 | Kalroth | Stats still matters a lot below level 80, it's just that you shouldn't really worry too much about capping hit rating or expertise, since the vast majority of lower level content is so easy that it doesn't matter |
| 09:56.29 | NightHawkTheSane | everything would basically turn into "same stats +1" |
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| 09:57.15 | Kaso | that's true |
| 09:57.20 | Kalroth | So unless you're doing level 70 content at level 65, you dont need to be hit or expertise capped, just wear the best upgrades you can find |
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| 09:57.52 | Kalroth | it's a lot easier aim for the various caps once you hit level 80, since your goal will always be a level 83 target |
| 09:58.28 | Kalroth | (unless you don't raid at all, then 82) |
| 09:59.15 | NightHawkTheSane | which (to come back to the original topic) is why having some level of customization in enchants is useful at 80, but not while leveling. |
| 09:59.31 | Kalroth | But stats are certainly not worthless at lower levels, I always level melee characters with expertise pots and casters with hit potions |
| 10:00.28 | Kalroth | I think it'd make enchantment too powerful, if you could just customize it to whatever |
| 10:00.54 | Kalroth | "okay, so I need 9 hit rating and 12 haste rating, I'll take the rest in spell power, thanks" |
| 10:01.29 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i just mean the kind of customization you have now (say, 20 hit vs ap/spell power vs expertise on gloves) compared to the one-size-fits-all enchants on heirloom gear |
| 10:02.35 | Kalroth | well enchants could/should follow the players level rather than the items level |
| 10:03.14 | Kalroth | they do it for procs, I guess it's just a tech limit that they dont do it for stat enchants |
| 10:04.13 | Kalroth | also upgradebility would suck, although it shouldn't be much of an issue really |
| 10:09.00 | frontendloader | how do you catch raid members going offline? |
| 10:09.13 | frontendloader | does PARTY_MEMBER_DISABLE fire for raid too? |
| 10:09.32 | Jerub | but procs are woeful in wow because you can't compare a proc vs a bonus |
| 10:09.57 | Jerub | i think they should either kill them or show their value. :/ |
| 10:10.33 | NightHawkTheSane | thats exactly why they like them, though |
| 10:10.43 | NightHawkTheSane | because its not trivial to reduce it to a simple equation |
| 10:12.51 | Jerub | ... so instead they're an opaque quantity that blizz thinks its okay to hotfix from week to week. |
| 10:13.20 | Jerub | so unless you read mmo-champion, et al, you'll never know that something that was shit hot in november is crap in december. |
| 10:13.28 | Jerub | (Ephemeral Snowflake) |
| 10:14.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: well, they post a lot on the forums, so its not like they hide what they're doing |
| 10:14.26 | Jerub | speaking of: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/22418707360-ppm-behavior-nerf.html |
| 10:15.10 | Jerub | imho, "not putting it in the tooltip" == hiding what they're doing. |
| 10:15.40 | NightHawkTheSane | in an ideal world, you'd be able to see what the proc effect was, and make a decent judgement based on how valuable that is to you, with the knowledge that "in general" it's going to be about as powrful as a weapon of equivalent ilvl |
| 10:16.07 | NightHawkTheSane | tooltip updates are a lot of work, and require client patches. |
| 10:16.12 | Jerub | blizz would by lynched if they modified the bonuses on stuff that's listed in tooltips, but it's okay for them to 'tune' the procs as much as they want and be 'happy' with the dps output of them. |
| 10:16.19 | NightHawkTheSane | that doesn't really excuse it, though |
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| 10:19.41 | Nechckn | On a 45 feral, picked up a warden staff off of a bid, so it is all good. It had a total crap enchant, so looking to replace it- they should not even have bothered, like +3 striking. |
| 10:19.52 | Nechckn | So, for http://www.wowhead.com/?item=943 enchant suggestions? |
| 10:20.10 | NightHawkTheSane | crusder? :P |
| 10:20.27 | Nechckn | I was sort of thinking of that, but it is totally outrageous |
| 10:20.39 | Nechckn | At least at this time... I could have some luck tomorrow. |
| 10:21.45 | Nechckn | hrm.. was looking at mongoose, which is totally crazy... lemme see about crusader |
| 10:22.25 | Nechckn | That may just work, NightHawkTheSane |
| 10:22.38 | NightHawkTheSane | +25 agil or fiery might be cheaper and not terible options |
| 10:23.58 | Nechckn | 25 is that really rare one, right? |
| 10:25.12 | NightHawkTheSane | it's from friendly with timbermaw, so not really hard to get |
| 10:25.23 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22392 |
| 10:25.33 | Jerub | mongoose is the best enchant for bears at 80 |
| 10:25.37 | Jerub | but dunno about at lower levels. |
| 10:26.14 | Nechckn | Ah.. the 2 handed, right. It is totally outrageous for me right now, though, Jerub. |
| 10:26.44 | Nechckn | So, that's why I'm looking a bit lower for the time being. |
| 10:27.13 | Nechckn | Cheapest right now is like 750g and this is my only guy on this server. |
| 10:27.42 | NightHawkTheSane | couldn't put mongoose on a warden staff anyway, could you? |
| 10:29.08 | Nechckn | 35 and up |
| 10:29.25 | Nechckn | so, yeah, it is "possible", just not very likely for this guy, right now. |
| 10:29.46 | NightHawkTheSane | i probably wouldnt bother |
| 10:32.07 | Nechckn | Crusader is a possibility, it is much more reasonable.. No one has the 2H AGL up right now, so I'll need to look tomorrow for it. |
| 10:32.21 | Nechckn | Mats look like it would be comparable, though |
| 10:33.48 | olafski | unless you're twinking I wouldn't bother with such an expensive enchant :P |
| 10:35.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ also true |
| 10:38.29 | Wobin | bhttp://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/01/18/anderson-in-the-midst-of-looting-chaos |
| 10:38.35 | Wobin | good journalism ^ |
| 10:38.57 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.07 | Wobin | Jerub, I managed to nab an Ephemeral on my shaman |
| 10:39.09 | Nechckn | appreciate the input =) |
| 10:39.15 | Wobin | I'm not really sure how good it actually is |
| 10:39.28 | Wobin | more useful for a druid I'm sure |
| 10:39.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i rather like it on my druid |
| 10:40.04 | Nechckn | Yeah, my big bear will enjoy it |
| 10:40.09 | NightHawkTheSane | although its obvious how the nerf affected it. |
| 10:40.29 | NightHawkTheSane | its still probably damn good for its level for a druid, though. perhaps on par with solace. |
| 10:41.27 | Nechckn | Well, for the Brightwood and Crusader, it cost ~250g, so I am not complaining for a 15 level item =) |
| 10:41.44 | Nechckn | one that will last about that long, that is |
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| 11:21.48 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 11:21.52 | jnwhiteh | Fisker |
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| 11:22.31 | Fisker | http://i49.tinypic.com/rj32w2.png |
| 11:23.34 | jnwhiteh | k k |
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| 11:25.04 | Fisker | it's the super adventure club :( |
| 11:25.15 | jnwhiteh | ok. |
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| 11:29.39 | Torhal | http://dogblog.dogster.com/2010/01/18/black-lab-comes-home-with-deadly-snake-wrapped-around-his-snout/ |
| 11:29.51 | Torhal | Taroven: Cincinnatti-area, eh? |
| 11:29.58 | Taroven | Yup. |
| 11:30.09 | Taroven | Not really by choice, but eh =P |
| 11:30.11 | Torhal | Hamilton, Ohio, originally |
| 11:30.16 | Taroven | Ah. |
| 11:30.25 | Taroven | Cincinnati here, originally from Seattle though. |
| 11:30.29 | Torhal | Ah |
| 11:31.26 | Taroven | Hmm... either I'm getting really confused by haste's code or he does things really oddly (or both)... |
| 11:32.00 | Torhal | Taroven: Both. |
| 11:32.02 | haste | Taroven: hm? |
| 11:32.12 | Torhal | He does good code, but I twitch every time I look at i8t. |
| 11:32.18 | Wobin | http://drawingboard.smackjeeves.com/comics/626704/weekend-will-wind/ |
| 11:32.18 | Torhal | s/i8t/it/ |
| 11:32.20 | Taroven | XD |
| 11:32.57 | haste | Taroven: what are you confused with? |
| 11:32.58 | Taroven | haste: Trying to figure out how you're using metatables in oUF for my own use |
| 11:33.38 | Taroven | Doesn't help that I suck with metatables though... Trying to figure out the significance of __call |
| 11:33.54 | Wobin | Torhal, oh god "Pawrents"? |
| 11:34.25 | Wobin | the comments on that site are barely better than icanhaz |
| 11:34.32 | haste | Taroven: <oUF object> -> <oUF functions (proxy)> -> <real <object> table> |
| 11:35.12 | Torhal | Wobin: Is that what the article said? I completely missed that. |
| 11:35.20 | Wobin | the comments below |
| 11:35.28 | Torhal | I guess the Internet has gotten me so used to misspellings and typos... |
| 11:35.30 | Torhal | Ah |
| 11:35.33 | Torhal | I skipped the comments |
| 11:35.35 | Wobin | "Wow, that Bronson! He might try it again so his pawrents better be careful." |
| 11:35.41 | Torhal | Ugh |
| 11:35.43 | Torhal | Stab him |
| 11:35.44 | Torhal | NAO |
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| 11:36.30 | Taroven | haste: Hm. Any specific reason for the proxy other than preference on a large scale? |
| 11:36.52 | Torhal | http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9594542 |
| 11:37.01 | Torhal | Taco Bell has gone the way of Wendy's |
| 11:37.15 | haste | Taroven: it's so people can overwrite the functions with their own, and just nil them out if they want default behaviour without having to manage the old references |
| 11:38.13 | Taroven | haste: Ah ha, I get it. |
| 11:39.13 | Taroven | haste: Still not too clear on how exactly a metatable __call works though, a quick look through pil's metatables/metamethods portions didn't clear it up for me. =\ |
| 11:39.53 | haste | Taroven: __call is only used on the event's that have multiple handlers |
| 11:40.56 | Taroven | haste: AH! Thanks. ^_^ |
| 11:41.03 | haste | lua> a = {__call = function(self, ...) print(self, ...) end} setmetatable({}, a) (1, 2, 3) |
| 11:41.03 | lua_bot | haste: table: 0x9fe4d70, 1, 2, 3 |
| 11:41.23 | haste | in other words, it lets you use tables as functions |
| 11:41.39 | Taroven | That makes perfect sense now, thanks. |
| 11:42.26 | Fisker | it is funny haste |
| 11:43.59 | haste | Taroven: it's done for consistency mostly |
| 11:44.19 | haste | Taroven: nothing like your function suddenly being a table instead :) |
| 11:44.36 | Taroven | haste: Heh, yeah, just struck me as really strange at first. |
| 11:45.36 | haste | Taroven: if you register two functions onto the same event, oUF converts the first function into a metatable that calls both |
| 11:45.50 | Taroven | haste: o.0 |
| 11:45.52 | Taroven | That's handy. |
| 11:46.22 | Taroven | Thought it made sense before, now I actually see how it works =D |
| 11:47.55 | bleeter | Shirik: happy birthday |
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| 11:49.04 | Taroven | And for my next completely random question of the night, do I need to explicitly pass self as an arg in a function assigned via metamethod? |
| 11:50.43 | Taroven | ie, if I have a function SpawnBackdrop(self) that I decided to put in an object's metatable, do I still need self as the arg there or can I omit it? |
| 11:51.31 | Taroven | (I'm a bit new with working with metatables, cut me some slack >.>) |
| 11:52.07 | haste | depends on how you define the function |
| 11:52.31 | haste | function metaTable:SpawnBackdrop() end metaTable.SpawnBackdrop = function(self) end |
| 11:52.53 | Taroven | I see. |
| 11:53.45 | Taroven | So, metamethod passes self, metatable object doesn't? |
| 11:54.15 | Taroven | Grr, 7am, that wasn't right... |
| 11:54.29 | haste | I have no idea what you meant by it either :P |
| 11:54.29 | Taroven | I see what you mean. |
| 11:54.32 | Taroven | XD |
| 11:59.08 | Taroven | haste: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131666 |
| 11:59.53 | Taroven | Something like that? |
| 12:01.32 | haste | yes |
| 12:02.01 | Taroven | Cool. |
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| 12:44.49 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk, http://www.seriouseats.com/images/20100118-potd-cat-tomatoes.jpg |
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| 12:45.29 | Taroven | Wobin: lulz. |
| 12:45.59 | Wobin | HAPPY CAT HAS TOMATOS |
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| 13:28.46 | Fisker | yay |
| 13:28.48 | Fisker | new drivers |
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| 13:33.51 | augustl | Fisker: drug trafficking? |
| 13:34.03 | Fisker | no |
| 13:34.05 | Fisker | nvidia drivers |
| 13:34.33 | augustl | oooh |
| 13:34.53 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh you ever experience your hero disconnecting/reconnecting in debug mode? |
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| 13:46.38 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh did you get what i wrote before |
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| 13:54.02 | Cide | he did not |
| 13:54.43 | Kalroth | noone gets what you write, Fisker |
| 13:55.31 | Fisker | oh u Kalroth |
| 13:56.04 | Kalroth | *teehee* |
| 13:57.24 | Wobin | awesome: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190365539998&_rdc=1 |
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| 13:59.30 | olafski | hah |
| 13:59.35 | olafski | if only I knew who pat robertson is |
| 13:59.38 | olafski | but it's still nice :) |
| 14:03.10 | Lopeppeppy | Fundamentalist whack job. |
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| 14:05.31 | Wobin | He was the guy that said Haiti deserved the earthquake, cause they made a deal with the devil |
| 14:06.38 | Lopeppeppy | Webmaster email: 90% server spam, 5% random spam, 3% viagra offers, 2% Russian and/or nigerian scam spam. Spam spam spammy spam. I never get mail. |
| 14:07.36 | zenzio | I'd mail you |
| 14:07.50 | zenzio | we could be like Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan |
| 14:08.11 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: no. |
| 14:08.49 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 14:08.52 | batrick | so much freenode spam lately :( |
| 14:10.28 | zenzio | while hunting down some mods for Oblivion yesterday I came across a site with the most awesome javascript. It would make my browser attempt to open an irc:// link every 10-15 seconds |
| 14:13.01 | olafski | nice |
| 14:13.26 | zenzio | yeah. I still can't see why it wanted to do that |
| 14:15.09 | olafski | not enough members in their channel ;) |
| 14:18.32 | jnwhiteh | zenzio: it also has gotse stuff in it as well, someone posted it on twitter with a warning of not clicking it if you use freenode |
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| 14:26.49 | zenzio | jnwhiteh: no, I didn't follow link from IRC, it was a link from an Oblivion mod guide |
| 14:27.12 | jnwhiteh | I didn't say it was a link FROM IRC |
| 14:27.25 | jnwhiteh | It's an external link that opens your IRC, contains some goatse javascript and does a bunch of shit. |
| 14:27.32 | jnwhiteh | I know precisely what you're talking about =) |
| 14:28.03 | zenzio | it could be, but I would be surprised that it popped into those sites |
| 14:28.09 | zenzio | there's always the chance |
| 14:28.25 | jnwhiteh | yeah *shrug* |
| 14:30.02 | Kalroth | whats wrong with goatse javascript |
| 14:30.10 | amro_ | it's goatse javascript |
| 14:30.10 | jnwhiteh | nothing, ofc. |
| 14:37.01 | Cide | http://www.yooouuutuuube.com/v/?rows=18&cols=18&id=5wdmSL2-Ock&startZoom=1 |
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| 14:41.32 | olafski | creepy |
| 14:44.08 | Thunder_Child | zenzio: you are right, i am proud of NightHawkTheSane |
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| 14:53.17 | zenzio | heh |
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| 15:40.14 | zenzelezz | so this webshop is advertising a 47-inch "LED LCD-TV" |
| 15:40.31 | zenzelezz | I was of the understanding that LED is entirely separate from LCD |
| 15:40.34 | olafski | hybrid! |
| 15:40.42 | olafski | lcd screen, led backlight? |
| 15:40.55 | Kalroth | It depends on which way you turn it |
| 15:40.58 | alestane | zenzelezz: They're probably using LCD as a sysnonym for "flat-screen". |
| 15:41.06 | Kalroth | lcd against wall, led against living room |
| 15:41.28 | zenzelezz | must be actual LED monitor, the price was much higher than regular 47" LCD TVs |
| 15:42.12 | olafski | maybe the leds are filled with liquid crystals |
| 15:42.27 | zenzelezz | ooh, sounds fancy :) |
| 15:43.04 | olafski | ,) |
| 15:44.35 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:44.36 | Fisker | oops |
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| 15:45.08 | zenzelezz | what's the matter with you Fisker, we used to slap each other intentionally and feverishly |
| 15:45.14 | zenzelezz | now you pretend it's a mistake :( |
| 15:45.25 | Fisker | i'm scared zenzelezz! |
| 15:45.32 | zenzelezz | are we moving too fast? |
| 15:46.40 | Fisker | i wouldn't know |
| 15:46.58 | zenzelezz | I'll give you some space and stick to Lopeppeppy and Cairenn then |
| 15:48.11 | Lopeppeppy | I'm rubber, you're glue? |
| 15:48.48 | zenzelezz | ssh peppy, you know we have to play along to save what remains of Fisker's fragile ego |
| 15:49.22 | amenity | Natural or Synthetic? Turpentine or Naptha? Vulcanized? |
| 15:49.40 | zenzelezz | I don't think any of those describe Fisker's ego |
| 15:50.08 | alestane | No, but they describe rubber. |
| 15:50.29 | alestane | And why am I concerned about preserving Fisker's ego? Is it on the endangered list or something? |
| 15:50.30 | zenzelezz | sorry, I don't have a rubber fetish |
| 15:51.27 | amenity | Well maybe you're missing out... |
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| 16:10.25 | Audas | Is it possible that /assist could be made "sticky" (as in, typing /assist target once per session, without the need to continuously using it)? In other words, is it possible to always target my --focussed-- target's target? |
| 16:11.16 | zenzelezz | could make a macro /assist [target=focus] or something like that |
| 16:11.33 | Lopeppeppy | He'd still have to use and re-use that macro, it's not something you can do "once per session" |
| 16:11.45 | Audas | Lopeppeppy: correct. |
| 16:11.56 | Audas | So, it is not possible, correct? |
| 16:12.02 | Taroven | Audas: Not possible. |
| 16:12.04 | Lopeppeppy | Not possible. |
| 16:12.08 | Audas | Thanks mates. |
| 16:12.12 | Taroven | Setting a focus unit is a protected function. |
| 16:12.21 | Taroven | Well, restricted. |
| 16:12.28 | Audas | I see. |
| 16:12.30 | Taroven | Same diff for most intents and purposes. |
| 16:12.43 | laindir|work | Taroven: I think the question has more to do with overriding the behavior of the built-in /assist. |
| 16:13.08 | zenzelezz | not quite |
| 16:13.26 | zenzelezz | it sounds like he basically wants to continuously have his target updated without interaction |
| 16:13.33 | Audas | laindir|work: I mean not to override anything. I was asking if it was possible, as it is right now. |
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| 16:13.52 | Audas | zenzelezz: Yes, while multiboxing, that is what is wanted. |
| 16:14.03 | Audas | Done now with a macro, of course. |
| 16:14.16 | Taroven | Macros are quite good at that kind of thing. =P |
| 16:14.24 | Audas | Taroven: Indeed :-) |
| 16:14.25 | zenzelezz | macros require interaction |
| 16:14.41 | Audas | zenzelezz: So hitting keys. |
| 16:14.51 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 16:15.36 | amenity | You could *potentially* do it through 3rd-party keystroke automation, but that would be a violation of the EULA. |
| 16:16.03 | Taroven | *sidelong glance at Razer product macro functionality* |
| 16:16.24 | amenity | taps g19... |
| 16:16.24 | Audas | amenity: Right. I am not looking forward to violate EULAs, so that's beyond the scope of the original question. |
| 16:17.04 | amenity | Well, you just asked if it were possible without "overriding" anything, so... |
| 16:17.05 | Taroven | Actually, a good question is if setting focus requires a hardware event. |
| 16:17.21 | laindir|work | Taroven: it does. |
| 16:17.31 | Taroven | Figured, heh. |
| 16:17.59 | Taroven | If it didn't, it'd be really easy to write out an addon for it. |
| 16:18.05 | Taroven | But anyway. |
| 16:18.24 | Fisker | lolwat? |
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| 16:19.17 | Taroven | So, random question, if I don't feel like including/embedding LDB with my addon, is it generally considered kosher to create broker object anyway? Only reason I ask is sheer laziness. |
| 16:19.40 | nevcairiel | just check if the library is available before doing so |
| 16:20.21 | Taroven | *shrug* Works for me. |
| 16:21.07 | nevcairiel | If you don't check, and someone is running your addon without broker available, they would get an error, which is rather ugly :) |
| 16:21.22 | amenity | As a child of practicing Jews, I can pretty safely say that there are no non-kosher addons. I may need to write an addon that scans your other addons and tells you which ones aren't, though. |
| 16:21.25 | zenzelezz | sounds like a case for OptionalDependency? |
| 16:22.34 | Taroven | amenity: Hmm, pretty sure everything I've written is kosher, but there WAS that one time... |
| 16:22.42 | Lopeppeppy | Kosher crackers, you have to kill them right. |
| 16:23.34 | amenity | Hm, time for someone to write a /bacon addon... |
| 16:23.44 | olafski | pushbuttongetbacon! |
| 16:24.02 | amenity | haha yes...<3 Tekkub's avatar... |
| 16:24.08 | Taroven | But yeah, only reason I asked is to stave off later questions of "lol why u not include ldb" - amenity, totally on my todo now - when releasing an addon that normally has nothing to do with it anyway. =P |
| 16:24.46 | amenity | haha nice...if I beat ya to it I'll name my quest tracker mover "aBacon" though. :P |
| 16:25.20 | Taroven | lulz. |
| 16:25.38 | Taroven | Hm, I COULD rename EventHorizon to BaconStrips... |
| 16:25.55 | amenity | LOL |
| 16:25.59 | Taroven | Same number of syllables, only the important people would notice. |
| 16:26.26 | amenity | uhh...EventHorizon is 5 syllables, BaconStrips is 3... |
| 16:26.33 | Taroven | SHHH |
| 16:27.04 | amenity | Maybe Bacon-N-N-Strips |
| 16:27.09 | Taroven | THERE WE GO! |
| 16:27.19 | amenity | <-- pure genius |
| 16:27.20 | Lopeppeppy | I can't read!!!! |
| 16:27.26 | Kaso | If you turned all the the progress bars into shades of redy/pink it'd even look like bacon |
| 16:27.29 | Taroven | credits amenity in the TOC |
| 16:27.31 | Kaso | on eventhorizons |
| 16:27.40 | Taroven | lawl |
| 16:27.49 | Taroven | Easy to do, play a pally. XD |
| 16:28.09 | amenity | I think there's a bar texture in the old SharedMedia pack that's got a wavy while line in the middle too... |
| 16:28.16 | amenity | *white |
| 16:28.25 | Taroven | I think I remember that one. |
| 16:29.13 | Kaso | you know what you need to do! |
| 16:29.21 | amenity | Move Zig? |
| 16:30.50 | Taroven | Hmm, might just end up embedding LDB anyway... Don't feel like doing the IsAddonLoaded dance. |
| 16:31.07 | zenzelezz | dance? |
| 16:32.08 | Taroven | Well, I don't want to embed LDB+LibStub+CallbackHandler since there's generally 5+ embedded copies of each in the addons directory of anyone that uses them |
| 16:32.41 | Taroven | But on the other hand, it WOULD be easier to just embed and be done with it |
| 16:33.11 | Taroven | Le sigh. |
| 16:33.39 | amenity | Well I don't think that extra 100k of HD space will kill anyone. |
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| 16:34.20 | Taroven | Yeah, I just hate embedding crap that I shouldn't have to for one extremely minor feature. |
| 16:35.07 | Fisker | haxes zenzelezz |
| 16:35.07 | amenity | Don't blame ya. Kind of in a similar situation right now...I've got three different LibSharedMedia locations right now |
| 16:35.24 | Taroven | Same with just about everyone else. |
| 16:35.36 | amenity | Doesn't make it right... |
| 16:36.15 | amenity | But I'm just weird about that kind of stuff. Unfortunately, I get in the habit of making quick-n-dirty, "temporary" fixes that end up being more permanent than I'd like. |
| 16:36.23 | Taroven | Yeah. |
| 16:37.09 | Taroven | The thing I've hated since the early days of Ace3 is that it's DESIGNED to be embedded, it doesn't really give you a whole lot of choice when releasing an addon. |
| 16:37.49 | Taroven | I mean, you can use a central Ace directory and trim the crap out of the other addons, but users don't want to do that. |
| 16:38.13 | amenity | Not to mention the constant "Are you sure you want to overwrite xxxx" |
| 16:38.19 | Taroven | Yeah. |
| 16:39.12 | nevcairiel | users don't want to deal with dependency hell, so it was designed to be user friendly, disc space is cheap |
| 16:39.38 | amenity | True. I'm speaking from more of an anal-retentive organizational perspective. |
| 16:39.54 | nevcairiel | if you are a weird person like that, its your problem to deal with =P |
| 16:40.00 | amenity | lol |
| 16:40.30 | amenity | I'm on medication, it helps a bit hehe |
| 16:40.31 | Taroven | But in cases like this where I'm just throwing a LDB object into the fray for an addon whose usage doesn't revolve around it, I shouldn't feel the need to embed 3 extra files in an extra directory just to do it. |
| 16:41.01 | Taroven | While I understand the intent and philosophy, it IS a pain in the ass. =P |
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| 16:43.16 | amenity | Well, in the long run it's probably less of a pain in the ass than requiring an end-user to download a dependency |
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| 16:43.56 | Taroven | For an addon that actually has dependencies, sure, but in this case it's a matter of "Oh hey, you have LDB installed, lemme put a feed up for ya". |
| 16:44.17 | Taroven | Already got it all set and handled, just griping. =P |
| 16:44.36 | amenity | hehe |
| 16:45.05 | amenity | That's ok...you should hear me when i'm working on raid frames. I think I drove poor Ferous insane last night. |
| 16:45.14 | Taroven | lawl. |
| 16:45.37 | amenity | Or my extreme pissed-offedness working on this damn WatchFrame mover |
| 16:45.39 | Taroven | Know the feeling, I've got about six guildies that use my oUF layout. |
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| 16:46.26 | amenity | Random point resets after PLAYER_ALIVE fires are awesome. |
| 16:46.30 | Taroven | Eh, only thing I really want out of the WatchFrame is it saving its open/collapsed state between logs/reloaduis. |
| 16:46.49 | Taroven | Unregister PLAYER_ALIVE after it fires once maybe? |
| 16:46.58 | amenity | I just want to be able to move the damn thing and have it stay there. |
| 16:47.07 | Taroven | Pastey it, I'll take a look. |
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| 16:47.53 | amenity | Eh it's on mah laptop and I'm lazy. If I end up taking a look at it later tonight I'll drop a line on WoWI or something |
| 16:48.02 | Taroven | kk. |
| 16:48.28 | amenity | It's also a new type of thing for me so I need to clean up all my commented fails before I let someone see it lol |
| 16:48.37 | Taroven | Hehe. |
| 16:48.52 | Taroven | Know the feeling, you shoulda seen me working with metatables earlier. |
| 16:49.00 | amenity | Ugh |
| 16:49.35 | Taroven | Still not ENTIRELY sure what I'm doing with them, or why I can't set __index to CreateFrame like haste somehow manages, but I'll get there eventually... |
| 16:50.34 | amenity | WOOOOOSSSSSHHHHH....right ovah mah hed 0_o |
| 16:50.41 | amenity | is still pretty n00b. |
| 16:50.41 | Taroven | Exactly. =P |
| 16:50.48 | Taroven | Metatables aren't all that bad really. |
| 16:51.07 | Taroven | They pretty much allow you to set fallback values for a table. |
| 16:51.23 | Taroven | Great for making frames inherit functions and such. |
| 16:52.00 | Taroven | Create a frame, set its metatable to a predefined function list, add things to the metatable as you go, works out pretty well. |
| 16:52.14 | amenity | Honestly, I just don't like tables. I'd rather do it the long way whenever possible. |
| 16:52.15 | Taroven | Then when you make another that uses the same functions, just do the same thing. |
| 16:52.40 | Taroven | I love tables, long as I manage to be careful with them. |
| 16:52.57 | Taroven | But then again, the stuff I write pretty much needs them. |
| 16:53.01 | amenity | Mainly because I hate having to try to remember array locations etc..."Was that [2], or [17]..." |
| 16:53.31 | Taroven | Eh, only time I deal with that is within loops where I don't care what I'm accessing |
| 16:53.42 | Taroven | Everything else, table.entry format works just fine. |
| 16:54.05 | Taroven | Example: Axis.colors[colorid] = {classcolor.r, classcolor.g, classcolor.b, classalpha} |
| 16:54.17 | haste | Taroven: oUF quite a few setmetatable calls |
| 16:54.29 | Taroven | Heh, noticed. =P |
| 16:54.42 | haste | most of the magic in oUF is through metatables as well |
| 16:54.48 | haste | so it doesn't exactly help tha cause :P |
| 16:54.53 | Taroven | Hehe. |
| 16:55.42 | Taroven | haste: Well, I ended up handling the CreateFrame issue differently, but I was wondering something that you'd prolly have an answer to... |
| 16:55.54 | amenity | I've actually been thinking more and more about making the switch to oUF myself. |
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| 16:56.49 | haste | then you'll probably want to wait until 1.4 has made its mess |
| 16:57.05 | Taroven | Well, two things. |
| 16:57.36 | Taroven | 1) Can multiple metatables be assigned to a single object? |
| 16:58.03 | haste | no, you'd have to proxy calls like oUF does then |
| 16:58.08 | Taroven | And 2) If not, does CreateFrame actually set a metatable in the first place to the object in question, or is it safe to assign one? |
| 16:58.28 | haste | all ui objects in WoW have a metatable assigned |
| 16:58.32 | Taroven | I'd just check myself, but of course servers are down. |
| 16:58.39 | Taroven | Figures. |
| 16:59.02 | Iriel | All objects of the same 'type' have the same metatable |
| 16:59.08 | Taroven | So basically if I set a metatable to a frame, I'm overriding the region methods? |
| 16:59.12 | Iriel | there's no inheritance between those metatables (That performs far more slowly) |
| 16:59.14 | Iriel | Yes |
| 16:59.18 | Taroven | kk. |
| 16:59.23 | Iriel | You'd want to giveyour metatable's __index a pointer to the original frame |
| 16:59.23 | Taroven | That changes my code a bit. |
| 16:59.26 | haste | Taroven: http://lua-users.org/wiki/InheritanceTutorial you'll find this useful I guess |
| 16:59.37 | Iriel | Original frame's metatable index, that is |
| 16:59.38 | Iriel | sorry |
| 17:00.12 | haste | there's some limits there with regards to secure execution tho' Iriel |
| 17:00.16 | haste | unless my memory tricks me |
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| 17:00.29 | Iriel | Yes, but if he's already putting a new metatable on a frame, he's done that already |
| 17:00.29 | Taroven | Not screwing with secure execution so not a big deal there. |
| 17:00.30 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 17:00.42 | Iriel | You can't make it much worse |
| 17:00.48 | Taroven | Aside from frame creation itself, anyway |
| 17:01.06 | haste | you can Iriel, by referring directly to the frames metatable and not the frame |
| 17:01.16 | haste | there was something that messed up that way |
| 17:01.37 | Iriel | The secure handlers do something sort of along those lines |
| 17:01.41 | Taroven | haste, got an example offhand that I can look up, or shall I dig through oUF some more to figure it out? |
| 17:01.55 | haste | Taroven: example of :p ? |
| 17:02.10 | Iriel | The easiest way to selectively add methods to frames is to just put theminto the frame tables themselves |
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| 17:02.23 | Iriel | it's not as "cool" as a new metatable but you dont taint the world |
| 17:02.48 | Taroven | Doesn't quite work for this, but yeah, that's how I usually do things. |
| 17:03.05 | Taroven | haste: Nevermind for the moment, perusing docs and oUF for now |
| 17:03.32 | Taroven | Looks like the inheritance tut is about what I need atm =P |
| 17:03.49 | haste | do note that Lua 5.1 isn't too found of long chains |
| 17:03.59 | haste | so don't go all OO on it |
| 17:04.13 | Fisker | finish it haste |
| 17:04.26 | Taroven | No worries there, I'm only doing single metatables per object. |
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| 17:07.11 | Taroven | amenity: Epic pic is epic. |
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| 17:14.20 | Lunessa | STATION |
| 17:14.57 | zenzelezz | orly? |
| 17:15.01 | Ancu | WEEEESLYYYYYYYYYYYY |
| 17:16.27 | cog|away | dynamation |
| 17:18.05 | cogwheel | Dynamation is the opposite of Station imo |
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| 17:23.03 | zenzelezz | http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20100118 o_O |
| 17:24.57 | cogwheel | click "discuss" imo? |
| 17:25.21 | Fisker | HASTE |
| 17:26.00 | haste | FISKER |
| 17:26.11 | zenzelezz | cogwheel: why? The explanation for the comic is right below the picture, I was just amazed to see someone go that far censoring chat |
| 17:26.20 | cogwheel | FASTEKER |
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| 17:26.40 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: why? cause i r nub |
| 17:26.47 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 17:26.50 | Fisker | hey cogwheel :( |
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| 17:27.08 | cogwheel | :( 2u2 =D |
| 17:28.31 | amenity | Taroven: yeah, I'm gonna have to find where I can buy a pair of those hehe |
| 17:28.39 | Taroven | amenity: lulz |
| 17:28.48 | Fisker | my wireless router was a v1.5 :( |
| 17:29.11 | zenzelezz | 1.5 what? |
| 17:29.18 | amenity | I like these too, only $14: http://www.baconshirts.com/images/butcherdiagram_panty1.jpg |
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| 17:29.57 | Fisker | zenzelezz hardware revisions etc. |
| 17:30.11 | Fisker | unfortunately 1.5 isn't suppored by dd-wrt because it can't fit on the flash |
| 17:30.16 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 17:30.36 | amenity | oh, but be warned: doing a blind search for "bacon panties" pulls up a lot of images you could do without 0_0 |
| 17:31.08 | zenzelezz | bacon panties might be taking edible panties a bit far |
| 17:31.41 | cogwheel | i think the bacon would have to be raw to flex correctly... |
| 17:31.48 | cogwheel | hence, not edible imo |
| 17:32.40 | cogwheel | (assuming potential bacterial contamination is one of your criteria for inedibility) |
| 17:32.42 | amenity | Well, the initial reference was a pic I posted on Taro's EventHorizon comments of a pair of panties that say "I <3 Bacon" on them. I was actually looking for cloth-derived undergarments that reference bacon, not ones composed of bacon. |
| 17:33.05 | cogwheel | chuckles |
| 17:33.07 | zenzelezz | that's a pity |
| 17:33.24 | amenity | And some of these pics appear to be just nude women composed of bacon *shudder* |
| 17:33.29 | Lopeppeppy | pounce-tackles Cogwheel! Take that! |
| 17:33.41 | nevcairiel | Fisker: i have a v3, in your face! |
| 17:33.50 | zenzelezz | peppy, what do you think of bacon panties? |
| 17:33.56 | cogwheel | NO U |
| 17:34.01 | cogwheel | pounce-tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 17:34.11 | Lopeppeppy | then decides not to join in about the edible while raw. Nope. Not talking about that. |
| 17:34.31 | amenity | Not edible. These: http://baconhaikus.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/bacon-panties.jpg |
| 17:34.39 | Fisker | V3 doesn't exist here |
| 17:34.42 | amenity | Must. Get. Now. |
| 17:34.51 | Fisker | of that series of routers that is |
| 17:35.15 | nevcairiel | whatever series, i have a v3 of my series which is fully supported by dd-wrt :P |
| 17:35.31 | Lopeppeppy | Those are edible. |
| 17:35.37 | amenity | <3 dd-wrt |
| 17:35.49 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: the panties or what's underneath? |
| 17:35.53 | nevcairiel | except i just use it as an access point, not more :d |
| 17:35.58 | amenity | peppy: a bit...er...high-fiber, don't ya think? |
| 17:36.33 | Lopeppeppy | high fiber, sure, but perfectly edible. |
| 17:36.43 | zenzelezz | you avoided my question :( |
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| 17:37.51 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, both are perfectly edible. One has more fiber, the other more nutritional value (I would think). |
| 17:37.53 | amenity | Hm, from Wikipedia: "Humans can digest cellulose to some extent [5][6], however it is often referred to as 'dietary fiber' or 'roughage' (e.g. outer shell of Maize) and acts as a hydrophilic bulking agent for feces." |
| 17:38.28 | Lopeppeppy | You can still eat it. |
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| 17:39.01 | Shishire | Anyone know of an addon that has a visual display of a false horizon? Like in aircraft, which display your current x-axis orientation? I know of the functions to get said data, but is there already a visual display? |
| 17:39.12 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: sounds like you're talking about a different kind of eating than I had in mind |
| 17:39.18 | amenity | OH, I had an addon like that. I'll try to find it for you |
| 17:39.53 | amenity | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/flight-hud.aspx |
| 17:40.04 | Taroven | amenity beat me to it O_O |
| 17:40.08 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, the question was "edible" not "tasty" or "interesting" |
| 17:40.22 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: you know I adore word play |
| 17:41.36 | amenity | ed-i-ble (adj.) -- fit to be eaten as food; eatable; esculent. |
| 17:41.45 | Lopeppeppy | And what's more fun than making you stick with the strict definition? :P |
| 17:42.06 | amenity | Really kind of depends on your definition of "fit to be eaten as food". |
| 17:42.29 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: don't make me have to go find other girls to do word play games with |
| 17:42.45 | Lopeppeppy | *sniff sniff* |
| 17:43.09 | amenity | Hm...dictionary.com search for "edible" brings up the related question "Are Crocs edible after you boil them?" lol |
| 17:43.25 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 17:43.48 | Lopeppeppy | I don't recommend it either before or after boiling, but I guess, if you must eat them, boil them first. |
| 17:44.11 | amenity | They really need to worry more about informing the public of the answer to the question "Are Crocs ugly as all hell?" |
| 17:47.00 | cogwheel | http://interiorcrocodilealligator.com |
| 17:47.25 | Lopeppeppy | nom nom nom |
| 17:47.59 | amenity | "Is it just me, or is rap music getting lazier?" |
| 17:48.46 | Taroven | cogwheel: I think that link just crashed Firefox XD |
| 17:49.30 | Ancu | if I get an achievement whilst on your box, mind if I screen shot it |
| 17:49.34 | cogwheel | O.o it's just a fairly plain page with an embedded youtube ... |
| 17:49.39 | Ancu | mt |
| 17:49.51 | amenity | ...and some disturbing unicorns... |
| 17:50.05 | cogwheel | yeah, i don't know where those came into the picture >< |
| 17:50.09 | cogwheel | (no pun intended) |
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| 17:50.36 | amenity | sigh...why does nobody intend puns anymore? :P |
| 17:50.51 | cogwheel | Taroven: perhaps you had just installed today's flash update and Firefox wasn't ready for it? |
| 17:51.02 | amenity | World needs moar Piers Anthony i think. |
| 17:51.04 | Lopeppeppy | cog sometimes does, and zenzelezz nearly always does, amenity. |
| 17:51.10 | cogwheel | amenity: i usually do |
| 17:51.17 | cogwheel | but i'm also honest :P |
| 17:51.33 | cogwheel | otherwise i might've taken credit for it anyway ;) |
| 17:51.38 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy is right |
| 17:52.22 | Taroven | cogwheel: Naw, prolly just a random crash, hadn't closed firefox in something like 3 days anyway. |
| 17:52.37 | Taroven | It was about due to die. |
| 17:52.37 | cogwheel | waitaminit... |
| 17:52.42 | cogwheel | that's not a unicorn! |
| 17:52.49 | Taroven | O_O |
| 17:52.52 | cogwheel | well, ok... we can't see where those rainbows are coming from |
| 17:53.21 | Taroven | lol... sheer curiosity just crashed firefox again XD |
| 17:53.38 | Taroven | That page really doesn't like me or something. |
| 17:53.40 | cogwheel | something's wrong with your firefox imo |
| 17:54.07 | amenity | Did you enable cookies? |
| 17:54.18 | amenity | Check your TCP/IP settings? |
| 17:54.21 | Taroven | cogwheel: Prolly. |
| 17:54.41 | cogwheel | the markup is extraordinarily clean. there's a single object embedding the youtube vid and a couple google ad scripts. |
| 17:54.43 | Taroven | amenity: lulz. It's nothing with the settings, trust me =P |
| 17:55.07 | cogwheel | among other plain old HTML |
| 17:55.10 | Taroven | Guess I could see if youtube itself crashes me... in which case it'd be time to start killin' things. |
| 17:55.15 | amenity | Must be AN HACKS then. You need McAffee. |
| 17:55.39 | Taroven | ...and the first link that pops up on the superbar when I type in youtube? |
| 17:55.40 | Taroven | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KamGvOzYjw&feature=related |
| 17:56.36 | amenity | lol |
| 17:56.50 | Taroven | Watch the pinapples one. |
| 17:57.17 | Taroven | Found those via an aussie friend. ^_^ |
| 17:58.18 | amenity | lol, woulda been better with a "ENGLISH, motherf***er, do you speak it?" |
| 17:58.48 | Taroven | XD |
| 17:58.56 | Taroven | Has to be PC and all, y'know. |
| 17:59.12 | amenity | however I did come across this little gem in my browsing this morning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtZKL74LgMg |
| 17:59.38 | amenity | Not an issue I can really relate to, but it's still hilarious XD |
| 18:00.12 | Taroven | ...o_O |
| 18:02.10 | amenity | the best is the guy in the audience at around 2:47 lol |
| 18:03.29 | Taroven | Whoever came up with that is a legend. |
| 18:04.07 | amenity | I know. I kinda want to use sound bites from that in some kind of addon lol |
| 18:04.36 | Taroven | lawlz. |
| 18:04.45 | Taroven | brb, must share with roommate! |
| 18:04.53 | amenity | like maybe the "I could play with these balls all day" when you use a Heavy Leather Ball |
| 18:05.26 | DWSR | amenity: rofl. Fantastic. |
| 18:06.48 | amenity | Or maybe when you catch one, it could play the "go ahead and play with those clean balls" part |
| 18:09.39 | NeoTron | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/12304230604-a-true-story-of-mine-and-brother-.html ... right |
| 18:10.40 | amenity | Pray for lewtz? 0_o |
| 18:11.10 | amenity | Suddenly 11 million people converge on the West Wall... |
| 18:12.09 | Taroven | Roommate's apparently still out, but at least I got a sammich out of the trip downstairs... |
| 18:15.34 | Ancu | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-feed.atom?r=Malfurion&cn=Anchu :D |
| 18:15.40 | Ancu | I like this new feature |
| 18:15.50 | amenity | hehe I was just checking that out myself |
| 18:16.26 | Ancu | Has now completed [Archmage Arugal kills (Shadowfang Keep)] 3 times. :D |
| 18:18.26 | amenity | Completed step [The Schools of Arcane Magic - Abjuration] of achievement [Higher Learning]. |
| 18:18.30 | amenity | XD |
| 18:19.11 | amenity | I'm up to a whopping 3 boooks now |
| 18:19.28 | Taroven | http://firstpersontetris.com/ |
| 18:19.32 | Taroven | WIN |
| 18:19.36 | Ancu | lol |
| 18:19.44 | Cide | was posted a few days ago |
| 18:19.51 | Cide | ^ polite way of saying OLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 18:20.03 | Cide | I get a headache from that sadly |
| 18:20.07 | Cide | otherwise it's pretty cool |
| 18:20.15 | Taroven | Blame Woot, it randomly showed up on their RSS |
| 18:20.36 | amenity | Technically not 1st-person, but definitely interesting |
| 18:22.06 | amenity | Wow, the new wowarmory feed tracks individuals in multi-boss encounters: "22 Victories over Rogue Champion (Heroic Trial of the Champion)." |
| 18:22.47 | Ancu | its pretty sweet |
| 18:23.01 | Fisker | lol |
| 18:23.16 | Fisker | i wonder if Blizzard rechecks their mail once in a while :o |
| 18:23.20 | amenity | I do wish they had "Death by standing in the fire" and "Failed at Heigan Dance" stats though |
| 18:23.32 | Fisker | sent them a mail like 3 months ago |
| 18:23.37 | Fisker | and was answered some days after |
| 18:23.38 | amenity | The former would do away with any/all gearscore-type addons lol |
| 18:23.48 | Fisker | now i just got another e-mail with another answer |
| 18:23.49 | Fisker | :o |
| 18:24.05 | amenity | Fisker: sounds about par for the course... |
| 18:24.47 | amenity | In Vanilla, I had my account hacked and was told they couldn't recover it, and gave me a new one. Then a month later I got an email saying my account recovery was complete...so now I have two. |
| 18:25.07 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 18:25.32 | amenity | How so? |
| 18:25.40 | jnwhiteh | so I have 50 frost badges |
| 18:25.41 | DWSR | because he's a troll. |
| 18:25.43 | Ancu | ~lart Tuesday |
| 18:25.43 | purl | whips Tuesday with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 18:26.29 | olafski | gg jnwhiteh |
| 18:26.35 | olafski | trinket time or something ,) |
| 18:26.49 | jnwhiteh | do i upgrade my cloak from ilevel 213 -> 264 |
| 18:26.49 | amenity | "Thay're not oopen ona toosdey!" <-- obscure movie quote, 10 points if you get it |
| 18:27.13 | Ancu | STOP! |
| 18:27.14 | jnwhiteh | or wait 10 and do waist from 200 -> 264 |
| 18:27.17 | Ancu | Trinket Time! |
| 18:27.19 | Ancu | do do do do |
| 18:27.27 | olafski | ancu: :D |
| 18:27.32 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: cloak. Better waists drop in ToC and ToGC |
| 18:27.39 | olafski | that's assuming he does those |
| 18:27.44 | DWSR | claosk are pretty hard to find. |
| 18:27.55 | jnwhiteh | I'd like to do ToC and ToGC |
| 18:27.57 | DWSR | olafski: I'm pretty sure you could fucking duo Gormok on normal. |
| 18:28.00 | jnwhiteh | but I find it hard to get in without the ach at this point =) |
| 18:28.04 | jnwhiteh | but i was thinking cloak anyway |
| 18:28.18 | DWSR | lol, people are asking for the achievement for Toc? |
| 18:28.24 | DWSR | bad server is bad. |
| 18:28.24 | Taroven | Servers are still down for me -.- |
| 18:28.37 | olafski | dwsr: that still assumes you want to do that |
| 18:28.42 | Taroven | DWSR: Because they're bad and wanna make sure the rest of the group makes up for it? =P |
| 18:28.51 | jnwhiteh | its +23 armor, +40 intellect, +22 spi, +3 sta + 52 crit + 31 sp and a yellow socket =) |
| 18:28.54 | jnwhiteh | seems worth it to me =) |
| 18:29.00 | jnwhiteh | i also have enough to buy 1-2 triumph items |
| 18:29.01 | olafski | they ask for achievements for onyxia and totc here too |
| 18:29.05 | DWSR | I have the 258 Shawl of Refreshing Winds. |
| 18:29.12 | DWSR | It's pro. :D |
| 18:29.16 | amenity | Wow...first time I every really went through my stats, and there's some surprising ones. "Most deadly Lich King 25-player raid bossGluth (1)" |
| 18:29.20 | digmouse | isnt today's maintainence extended? |
| 18:29.24 | DWSR | yes |
| 18:29.25 | Taroven | I've seen people on my server gearchecking for Naxx weeklies. It's... kinda sad. |
| 18:29.26 | DWSR | new ICC win |
| 18:29.35 | DWSR | wing* |
| 18:29.38 | DWSR | nice typo though |
| 18:29.45 | digmouse | heh |
| 18:30.02 | digmouse | sounds like an hour or two extension |
| 18:30.13 | DWSR | copying 15k FLAC music files around to a new directory on your external = PAIN |
| 18:30.32 | digmouse | gotta go sleep and see what happens to the Blood-queen |
| 18:30.41 | DWSR | digmouse: hour or two? |
| 18:30.47 | DWSR | Have you played this game longer than a week? |
| 18:30.52 | DWSR | Try like 3-5 |
| 18:31.10 | jnwhiteh | whats easier to grab, shoulders or helm? |
| 18:31.15 | jnwhiteh | i can buy either |
| 18:31.16 | DWSR | for T10? |
| 18:31.25 | DWSR | Shoulders. It's 60. Helm's 95. |
| 18:31.33 | olafski | t9 |
| 18:31.39 | Ancu | uhhhhhhg, my first day off of my unpaid 4 day vacation and no wow |
| 18:31.41 | olafski | obviously, since he had 50 frost and said he can buy either |
| 18:31.57 | digmouse | no most times I dont quite pay attention to the maintainence time since the US maintainence mostly happends on my late nights |
| 18:31.58 | DWSR | good point. |
| 18:32.02 | jnwhiteh | no, talking about conquest |
| 18:32.06 | jnwhiteh | not frost |
| 18:32.10 | olafski | not triumph? |
| 18:32.12 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: You mean triumph? |
| 18:32.12 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 18:32.14 | jnwhiteh | triumph =) |
| 18:32.20 | jnwhiteh | i'm buying something conquest as well |
| 18:32.21 | DWSR | Meh. |
| 18:32.21 | olafski | dunno if it helps jnwhiteh but I'd take the offset helm (ilvl 245) and the rest t9 ,) |
| 18:32.26 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 18:32.27 | olafski | if your 4pt9 is good that is |
| 18:32.32 | jnwhiteh | have too many effing badges. |
| 18:32.36 | DWSR | what class are you jn? |
| 18:32.52 | jnwhiteh | druid |
| 18:32.57 | DWSR | spec? |
| 18:32.59 | jnwhiteh | resto |
| 18:33.02 | digmouse | which spec? |
| 18:33.15 | jnwhiteh | resto :P |
| 18:33.16 | DWSR | iirc, your set boni are alright. |
| 18:33.21 | digmouse | then go for 4T9, it's worth the price |
| 18:33.25 | jnwhiteh | so what should I buy? =) |
| 18:33.25 | Ancu | heals dps or tank |
| 18:33.27 | jnwhiteh | which is T9? |
| 18:33.33 | olafski | the triumph set :P |
| 18:33.38 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 18:33.46 | olafski | so get 4p t9 (shoulders, chest, legs, gloves) and offset helm |
| 18:34.04 | olafski | or offset shoulders and set helm, but I think the alternative is probably better |
| 18:34.07 | jnwhiteh | i dont see any tier bonuses on these items |
| 18:34.10 | jnwhiteh | which vendor should I be at? |
| 18:34.15 | olafski | the one at the tournament |
| 18:34.19 | jnwhiteh | OHHHH |
| 18:34.19 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 18:34.22 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 18:34.26 | jnwhiteh | i never buy gear |
| 18:34.29 | Fisker | your set boner is alright |
| 18:34.32 | DWSR | we can tell. |
| 18:34.32 | digmouse | to the right side of the ToC entrance |
| 18:34.32 | Taroven | Tournament grounds, east side I think, furthest vendor from the gate |
| 18:34.38 | digmouse | if you are alliance |
| 18:34.47 | olafski | http://www.wowwiki.com/Conqueror%27s_Malfurion%27s_Garb |
| 18:34.49 | digmouse | horde on the left side |
| 18:35.04 | olafski | that's the ally set, I assume the stats are the same on the horde version |
| 18:35.13 | digmouse | yes stats same |
| 18:35.20 | digmouse | different look and name |
| 18:35.27 | jnwhiteh | I'm ally |
| 18:35.38 | olafski | so get one of those 4 parts (shoulder chest legs hands), preferrably the one that provides the most upgrade :) |
| 18:35.39 | DWSR | horde cloth T9 owned the shit out of the alliance one. |
| 18:35.40 | DWSR | Holy lord. |
| 18:35.40 | digmouse | Malfurion for alliance and Runetotem for horde IIRC |
| 18:36.17 | jnwhiteh | i can only afford one piece right now |
| 18:36.23 | jnwhiteh | but its farmable to be sure =) |
| 18:36.24 | digmouse | DWSR: man I love the alliance leather T9, especially on female human and night elf ^^ |
| 18:36.29 | jnwhiteh | what did you mean by 'offset' helm tho |
| 18:36.35 | DWSR | digmouse: link? |
| 18:36.38 | amenity | Hmm....being new to the outside-of-WoWI dev community, I'm curious as to how "active" these two dev guilds on Draka are. |
| 18:36.40 | olafski | jnwhiteh: there are ilvl 245 helms you can buy |
| 18:36.43 | Taroven | I'm still waiting on a ticket response from accidentally converting 19 frost badges to triumph... damn you vendors! |
| 18:36.47 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Something that's not part of your set bonus |
| 18:36.50 | olafski | jnwhiteh: all t9 items you can buy with emblems-only are ilvl 232 |
| 18:36.50 | digmouse | non-set one |
| 18:36.51 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Meaning non-tier. |
| 18:37.00 | jnwhiteh | ok thanks |
| 18:37.35 | digmouse | http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=-150#screenshots:id=148556 |
| 18:37.45 | olafski | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47690 |
| 18:38.03 | olafski | think that's the one you would buy in that case |
| 18:38.19 | jnwhiteh | and grab that first? |
| 18:38.32 | jnwhiteh | or one of the set pieces? |
| 18:38.36 | jnwhiteh | cause i can buy one conquest item as well |
| 18:38.50 | Taroven | Honestly, start filling out your tier first then worry about offset |
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| 18:38.56 | olafski | yeah |
| 18:39.09 | olafski | I wouldn't bother with conquest, unless you really have nothing else to spend them on |
| 18:39.15 | olafski | you could always just buy epic gems with it or something :) |
| 18:39.20 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 18:39.22 | olafski | triumph is super easy to farm anyway |
| 18:39.30 | jnwhiteh | well i still have some 213 ilevel gear |
| 18:39.31 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 18:39.43 | olafski | hm you could buy off-set items with conquest.. a belt comes to mind |
| 18:39.49 | olafski | anyway dinner time, gl ;) |
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| 18:41.43 | jnwhiteh | ty |
| 18:43.42 | DWSR | conquest neckpiece is the best emblem neckpiece that you can get. |
| 18:43.50 | DWSR | Evoker's Charm. |
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| 18:44.10 | jnwhiteh | ok |
| 18:44.19 | jnwhiteh | cI have THunderstorm Amulet atm |
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| 18:44.48 | jnwhiteh | my waist is still 200 tho, lol |
| 18:44.52 | DWSR | >.< |
| 18:45.01 | DWSR | What server are you on? |
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| 18:45.20 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 18:45.34 | jnwhiteh | Emerald Dream EU |
| 18:45.40 | jnwhiteh | i can log if you want to look and my gear =) |
| 18:45.51 | DWSR | *shrug* |
| 18:45.51 | jnwhiteh | and cry |
| 18:45.52 | amenity | Oh, and NOW Mr. Bacon Avatar shows up... |
| 18:45.54 | DWSR | Not particular. |
| 18:45.57 | DWSR | particularly* |
| 18:46.07 | DWSR | I'm on US-Emerald Dream. |
| 18:46.12 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 18:46.20 | amenity | Coulda used you a couple hours ago Tek |
| 18:46.21 | Fisker | no i'm on ravencrest |
| 18:46.39 | DWSR | It's hilarious, I have like alll 245+, except for my neckpiece, which is 226. |
| 18:47.30 | Taroven | US servers need to come back online >.>; |
| 18:47.36 | DWSR | truth\ |
| 18:48.24 | digmouse | my hunter got her hit bumped to 489 :( |
| 18:49.01 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: I bet your gear is better than my gear! |
| 18:49.01 | Taroven | o.0 |
| 18:49.17 | DWSR | That's because you're a scrub Ackis. |
| 18:49.43 | Ackis | DWSR: i'm better than you! |
| 18:50.12 | DWSR | I highly doubt that. |
| 18:50.12 | Ackis | Fisker: hear about the new MW2 exploit? |
| 18:50.23 | DWSR | Ackis: The installer is an exploit. |
| 18:50.25 | DWSR | Of your soul. |
| 18:52.22 | Lopeppeppy | Bwah ha ha |
| 18:52.25 | Lopeppeppy | And stuff. |
| 18:53.03 | DWSR | lol |
| 18:53.13 | DWSR | just broke 18k music files. :D |
| 18:53.16 | DWSR | WEE! |
| 18:53.22 | DWSR | Now to organize them all x.x |
| 18:53.36 | Ancu | thats sad...that you have that much music |
| 18:53.46 | DWSR | You're just jealous. |
| 18:53.53 | Ancu | how many hours is that? |
| 18:53.58 | DWSR | Dunno. |
| 18:53.58 | jnwhiteh | what are the best blue gems for a resto druid? |
| 18:54.00 | jnwhiteh | or epic |
| 18:54.00 | DWSR | A lot. |
| 18:54.07 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: What colour? |
| 18:54.10 | DWSR | red will be SP. |
| 18:54.43 | DWSR | yellow is haste. |
| 18:54.45 | jnwhiteh | blue, red, two yellow. |
| 18:54.46 | DWSR | blue is spirit. |
| 18:54.52 | DWSR | What's the socket bonus |
| 18:54.52 | Ancu | what was the song you listened to longest ago? When was that listen? |
| 18:55.16 | DWSR | Ancu: I moved to fb2k a little while ago. My listen statistics weren't imported. |
| 18:55.33 | amenity | <-- English fail. "Provable", or "proveable"? |
| 18:55.34 | DWSR | So I currently have >70% of my library which I haven't listened to. |
| 18:55.35 | Ancu | ahhh |
| 18:55.40 | DWSR | amenity: Proveable. |
| 18:55.44 | amenity | ty :) |
| 18:55.48 | DWSR | btw. |
| 18:55.51 | DWSR | provable(sp?) |
| 18:55.52 | batbot | DWSR, provable is correct. |
| 18:55.58 | DWSR | proveable(sp?) |
| 18:55.59 | batbot | DWSR, provable, prove able, prove-able. |
| 18:56.09 | DWSR | proveable, iirc, is correct. |
| 18:56.13 | amenity | uhh..now I'm confused lol |
| 18:56.27 | DWSR | amenity: You can use word(sp?) to ask batbot to spellcheck. |
| 18:56.27 | batbot | DWSR, word is correct. |
| 18:56.30 | DWSR | see? |
| 18:56.37 | amenity | ohh |
| 18:56.38 | Ancu | ~wtf iirc |
| 18:57.04 | amenity | ~wtf metatable |
| 18:57.08 | amenity | :( |
| 18:57.21 | Ancu | thats for acronyms |
| 18:57.26 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: I would go with purified dreadstone, runed cardinal ruby, and 2 reckless ametrine. |
| 18:57.30 | amenity | ooooh |
| 18:57.30 | Ancu | ~define metatable |
| 18:57.31 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 18:57.40 | Ancu | ~dict metatable |
| 18:57.44 | amenity | ~wtf ihtfp |
| 18:57.50 | amenity | ACK! |
| 18:57.56 | amenity | Gotta fix that |
| 18:58.00 | Ancu | cant |
| 18:58.01 | jnwhiteh | checking ah now. |
| 18:58.06 | Ancu | tried |
| 18:58.06 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: though, you could also use a royal dreadstone. |
| 18:58.17 | DWSR | Depending on your MP5. |
| 18:58.34 | amenity | surely you can add acronym definitions... |
| 18:58.39 | DWSR | mhm |
| 18:58.40 | jnwhiteh | 564/30 |
| 18:58.43 | jnwhiteh | 305 |
| 18:58.44 | DWSR | purl: help |
| 18:58.45 | Ancu | wait....jn isnt in the us is he? bastard, I cant play wow.... |
| 18:58.51 | DWSR | Ancu: No. |
| 18:59.00 | jnwhiteh | gah |
| 18:59.03 | jnwhiteh | i dont like buying epic gems =/ |
| 18:59.11 | jnwhiteh | but i suppose i can afford em lol |
| 18:59.15 | PProvost | I buy em with honor and emblems |
| 18:59.27 | jnwhiteh | mikma: ping, do we have a JC? ;-) |
| 18:59.51 | DWSR | honor/emblems jnwhiteh |
| 18:59.53 | DWSR | or SKS. |
| 18:59.59 | amenity | exacerbating(sp?) |
| 18:59.59 | batbot | amenity, exacerbating is correct. |
| 19:00.02 | amenity | sweet |
| 19:00.09 | jnwhiteh | where can i buy the honor ones? |
| 19:00.10 | Ancu | where is wow |
| 19:00.15 | jnwhiteh | dalaran? |
| 19:00.21 | cogwheel | stormwind |
| 19:00.31 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 19:00.32 | Ancu | ~where is wow |
| 19:00.32 | purl | methinks wow is world of warcraft |
| 19:00.41 | jnwhiteh | dude. |
| 19:00.44 | jnwhiteh | stop spaming the bots |
| 19:00.56 | PProvost | jnwhiteh: basically honor goes like this |
| 19:01.05 | PProvost | turn in stone keeper shards in WG for WG commendations |
| 19:01.19 | PProvost | Go to SW, Champion's Hall (alliance) |
| 19:01.28 | jnwhiteh | yeah no, i know ow to get honor =) |
| 19:01.37 | PProvost | oh |
| 19:01.39 | PProvost | ok |
| 19:01.41 | PProvost | lol |
| 19:01.43 | PProvost | Yes |
| 19:01.45 | PProvost | SW |
| 19:01.47 | PProvost | Champions Hall |
| 19:01.57 | PProvost | There is a jewel dealer there |
| 19:02.04 | jnwhiteh | so i buy the raw gems and get them cut, then |
| 19:02.08 | PProvost | Yes |
| 19:02.15 | kd3 | hm... c'mon medivh |
| 19:02.20 | kd3 | wants to farm rares |
| 19:02.23 | kdtresh | i should cash out my shards, i've got like 1300 of them, lol |
| 19:02.41 | cogwheel | you can also get them from emblems of heroism in dalaran |
| 19:02.49 | cogwheel | s/from/for |
| 19:03.18 | jnwhiteh | can't buy a dreadstone with honor |
| 19:03.28 | jnwhiteh | oh i lie. |
| 19:03.36 | PProvost | Yes you can |
| 19:03.38 | PProvost | all 6 kinds |
| 19:04.12 | jnwhiteh | yeah I see them now |
| 19:04.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Keias (n=bleh@pool-72-86-106-233.aubnin.fios.verizon.net) |
| 19:04.38 | Ancu | ~where is walmart |
| 19:04.39 | purl | from memory, walmart is the giant box store of the Devil, beware all who shop there! |
| 19:04.57 | Ancu | lol |
| 19:04.59 | jnwhiteh | Ancu: stop |
| 19:05.03 | jnwhiteh | or i'm going to kick you from teh channel. |
| 19:05.12 | Ancu | dood, that one is hilarious |
| 19:06.20 | jnwhiteh | I don't care |
| 19:06.25 | jnwhiteh | stop spamming the damn bots. |
| 19:06.39 | Ackis | how's he spamming? O_o |
| 19:06.47 | Ancu | ^ |
| 19:06.51 | amenity | fwiw, that last one was 4 minutes after his previous one... |
| 19:07.05 | amenity | Also, you can throttle bots. ;) |
| 19:07.17 | jnwhiteh | its the two of you |
| 19:07.27 | Ackis | anyways if you want to talk to the bot you can /msg them |
| 19:07.28 | jnwhiteh | I'm just saying cut it. |
| 19:07.32 | jnwhiteh | use PMs |
| 19:07.41 | Slackwise | Can't... stand... down.... http://goo.gl/HpZK |
| 19:07.56 | DWSR | TEH OPS HAV SPEAKEd |
| 19:08.21 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: I was about to ~comfort you but figured I'd get hurt :P |
| 19:08.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Hjalte (n=chatzill@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk) |
| 19:08.28 | amenity | Ok, wait. I used the bot twice, and one was a "test" and the other was a legitimate request (I'm typing up a post on the WoW UI forum). Back off. I didn't spam anything. |
| 19:08.36 | Ancu | I did, I just thought it was funny, so I thought I would share |
| 19:08.43 | jnwhiteh | amenity: you can also use google.. or PMS |
| 19:08.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 19:09.03 | amenity | sighs. |
| 19:09.07 | jnwhiteh | Admittedly, it looked worse than it did considering I saw a block of requests from teh two of you, together. |
| 19:09.18 | jnwhiteh | but regardless |
| 19:09.19 | amenity | I think op-ego has gotten to you a bit. |
| 19:09.25 | jnwhiteh | I think you don't know me one biut |
| 19:09.31 | jnwhiteh | so you don't have a right to say that |
| 19:09.38 | DWSR | YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ME. |
| 19:09.42 | DWSR | YOU SAY THAT I'M NOT LIVING RIGHT |
| 19:09.45 | DWSR | YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ME |
| 19:09.49 | amenity | I have the right to base my opinion of you on the actions I observe. |
| 19:09.51 | DWSR | SO WHY DO YOU KEEP JUDGING MY LIFE |
| 19:10.07 | DWSR | amenity: I'm going to say this nicely. Please shut up. :) |
| 19:10.08 | Ancu | I dont know jnwhiteh either, but seriously dood, chilax |
| 19:10.09 | cogwheel | backs away slowly |
| 19:10.11 | jnwhiteh | I'm just asking that you please use PMs to contact the bots. |
| 19:10.17 | jnwhiteh | I can't be wrong by making that request |
| 19:10.34 | Ackis | the only op with an ego is Shiibot ! |
| 19:10.35 | Cide | amenity, stfu and gtfo |
| 19:10.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Jiminizer7 (n=jiminize@152.105.165.179) |
| 19:10.39 | nevcairiel | People that argue with OPs about the channel policys usually just get themself kicked |
| 19:10.51 | DWSR | nevcairiel, for once, speaks truth! |
| 19:11.08 | amenity | No, I'm not going to shut up. You falsely accused me of something, then when I called you out on it started playing the "power card". That's beyond ridiculous. If you want to kick/ban me, go right ahead...it only reinforces my point. |
| 19:11.23 | jnwhiteh | a.) I didn't tell you to shut up, b.) I didn't say I was goign to kick or ban you |
| 19:11.28 | Cide | I did |
| 19:11.30 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:11.32 | DWSR | And I did. |
| 19:11.33 | jnwhiteh | Who do you think you're having a conversation with.. I never said anythign like that. |
| 19:11.44 | jnwhiteh | Perhaps you're the one who needs to take a step back and calm down. |
| 19:11.45 | Cide | though we all wish you did |
| 19:11.50 | jnwhiteh | I'm sorry I accused you of 'spamming' the bot |
| 19:11.54 | Ancu | (14:04:54) jnwhiteh: Ancu: stop |
| 19:11.54 | Ancu | (14:04:58) jnwhiteh: or i'm going to kick you from teh channel. |
| 19:11.55 | amenity | Show me where I said you stated any of that. |
| 19:11.57 | Cide | since the rest of us are just falsely using imagined power |
| 19:12.01 | Ackis | hands cogwheel some popcorn. |
| 19:12.02 | jnwhiteh | Ancu: that was to you, not amenity |
| 19:12.08 | Ancu | oh, sorry |
| 19:12.13 | DWSR | asks Ackis for some popcorn. |
| 19:12.16 | Ancu | thought it was a genrel statment |
| 19:12.24 | Ackis | gives DWSR some popcorn surprise. |
| 19:12.27 | jnwhiteh | you used dict, define, where is and where is. |
| 19:12.30 | DWSR | :o |
| 19:12.33 | jnwhiteh | four stupid things, that none of us needed |
| 19:12.38 | jnwhiteh | and you could have done in PMS |
| 19:12.39 | jnwhiteh | so I restate |
| 19:12.40 | jnwhiteh | AGAIN |
| 19:12.42 | DWSR | PMs* |
| 19:12.47 | jnwhiteh | please keep trivial shit like that in PMs. |
| 19:12.47 | DWSR | Because PMS is something completely different. |
| 19:12.51 | Fisker | i need you jnwhiteh |
| 19:12.57 | DWSR | Never gonna give you up |
| 19:13.00 | Ackis | ~Fisker++ |
| 19:13.10 | DWSR | never gonna let you down |
| 19:13.15 | DWSR | Never gonna turn around and desert you |
| 19:13.19 | jnwhiteh | amenity |
| 19:13.19 | jnwhiteh | 19:11 amenity: No, I'm not going to shut up. You falsely accused me of something, then when I called you out on it started playing the "power card". That's beyond ridiculous. If you want to kick/ban me, go right ahead...it only reinforces my point. |
| 19:13.22 | jnwhiteh | you just said that |
| 19:13.26 | jnwhiteh | which is clearly directed at me. |
| 19:13.28 | jnwhiteh | so. |
| 19:13.34 | Cide | anyway |
| 19:13.36 | jnwhiteh | 19:11 amenity: Show me where I said you stated any of that. |
| 19:13.36 | amenity | Yes I did. How does that accuse you of saying you were going to kick me? |
| 19:13.38 | jnwhiteh | there you go |
| 19:13.40 | DWSR | passes Cide some popcorn |
| 19:13.47 | amenity | l2readingcomprehension |
| 19:13.51 | jnwhiteh | "If you want to kick/ban me, go right ahead" |
| 19:13.51 | DWSR | amenity: He didn't say that to you |
| 19:13.57 | DWSR | he said that to cide. |
| 19:14.10 | kd3 | mmm... popcorn |
| 19:14.11 | amenity | That's not accusatory. It's an if statement. |
| 19:14.14 | jnwhiteh | Okay |
| 19:14.16 | jnwhiteh | I don't want to |
| 19:14.18 | mikma | jnwhiteh: yes, i have, it's now at skill 277 or something :I |
| 19:14.20 | jnwhiteh | why are you arguing about any of this? |
| 19:14.24 | jnwhiteh | mikma: ah, boo =/ |
| 19:14.33 | mikma | jnwhiteh: and not on ED :O |
| 19:14.37 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 19:14.49 | cogwheel | Slackwise: i think you underestimated a bit... you put 07/05/2008 when you meant 07/15/2008. also, wouldn't the end of BC technically be the start of Wrath? |
| 19:14.55 | amenity | Because you're being an ass for no logical reason to someone who's new to this IRC channel, which is not a good image for anyone and is quite undeserved. |
| 19:15.12 | jnwhiteh | amenity: How have I been an ass? |
| 19:15.22 | DWSR | amenity: You're actually being quite deserving right now. |
| 19:15.28 | Cide | he's not being an ass, he's asking you/ancu to stop using the bot needlessly |
| 19:15.33 | Ackis | cogwheel: wasn't 0 AD the end of BC? :P |
| 19:15.36 | jnwhiteh | Ancu in particular |
| 19:15.37 | Cide | it's a perfectly fine request and something we all wish you stopped doing |
| 19:15.40 | jnwhiteh | you just got roped in accidentally |
| 19:15.44 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aplfhPu4iiU <-- elbow to the face :( |
| 19:15.45 | nevcairiel | He just wanted you to keep useless bot actions to PMs, and you went all defensive |
| 19:16.10 | Cide | so can we all just delete the tilde key from our minds and move on |
| 19:16.25 | amenity | He jumped on me for "spamming", when I used the damn bots twice. |
| 19:16.28 | jnwhiteh | No |
| 19:16.33 | Ackis | tildas Cide |
| 19:16.33 | jnwhiteh | I brought you into it in combination with Ancu |
| 19:16.36 | jnwhiteh | who was the primary problem |
| 19:16.41 | jnwhiteh | you just started getting defensive about Ancu |
| 19:16.47 | nevcairiel | purl, tell cide that you work without tilde, too! |
| 19:16.48 | amenity | No I didn't. |
| 19:16.48 | jnwhiteh | and you're wrong, in that case |
| 19:16.58 | nevcairiel | hm, no tell command, too bad :P |
| 19:17.00 | Ancu | just as an fyi, jnwhiteh is the only one who has ever stated a concern about using the bots. I dont know about you, but I think the bots are fun to play with. |
| 19:17.15 | Slackwise | cogwheel: I'm going by patch dates, really. |
| 19:17.16 | jnwhiteh | 19:06 amenity: fwiw, that last one was 4 minutes after his previous one... |
| 19:17.17 | jnwhiteh | 19:07 amenity: Also, you can throttle bots. ;) |
| 19:17.33 | Slackwise | cogwheel: So relatively it evens out. |
| 19:17.41 | Cide | Ancu, so did everyone else... five years ago when purl was new. |
| 19:17.44 | jnwhiteh | Ancu: because the people here know better than to 'play' with the bots |
| 19:17.47 | Cide | now he's just annoying |
| 19:17.49 | Cide | she |
| 19:17.50 | jnwhiteh | so no one as to say anytihng |
| 19:17.54 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: fisker and I don't :| |
| 19:17.58 | amenity | How is any of that being defensive towards Ancu? You're implying that causation and correllation are related. That's logical fallacy. |
| 19:18.00 | jnwhiteh | I've been consistent in my treatement |
| 19:18.10 | jnwhiteh | amenity: You just want to argue, it seems to me. |
| 19:18.17 | DWSR | amenity: Be glad that jnwhiteh is patient. |
| 19:18.17 | jnwhiteh | Enjoy an argument with yourself. |
| 19:18.18 | Cide | <amenity> fwiw, that last one was 4 minutes after his previous one... |
| 19:18.20 | kd3 | looks for more popcorn |
| 19:18.22 | Cide | <amenity> Also, you can throttle bots. ;) |
| 19:18.27 | DWSR | Because I would have muted you 15 minutes ago. |
| 19:18.39 | jnwhiteh | You can look at almost 3 years of logs |
| 19:18.49 | jnwhiteh | I've asked tons of people to not abuse the bots |
| 19:18.51 | nevcairiel | I should really keep popcorn near the comp |
| 19:18.57 | Adys | kd3: I read that as "kd3 looks for more wow porn" |
| 19:19.00 | jnwhiteh | I've also been thought this conversation about 20 times |
| 19:19.09 | jnwhiteh | and I've been consistent in my policies, and they've been consistent with the other ops |
| 19:19.15 | amenity | I'm sorry, I don't see a rules posting anywhere, nor anything in the MOTD... |
| 19:19.16 | kd3 | adys; get your mind out of the gutter |
| 19:19.19 | jnwhiteh | So believe what you want, make whatever judgement calls you feel are necessary. |
| 19:19.24 | jnwhiteh | amenity: you didn't need to, I said something. |
| 19:19.25 | Adys | I just woke up what should I do. |
| 19:19.30 | jnwhiteh | that's why I'm here. |
| 19:19.32 | Cide | jump on the blame train |
| 19:19.45 | Ackis | choo choo! |
| 19:19.54 | amenity | but anyways, you've already illustrated to me your iron-fisted channel management, so I'll just do myself a favour and leave. Thanks for ruining what up until now had been an enjoyable experience. |
| 19:20.09 | Ackis | ~seen amenity |
| 19:20.12 | purl | amenity <n=amenity@h9.53.23.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 18s ago, saying: 'but anyways, you've already illustrated to me your iron-fisted channel management, so I'll just do myself a favour and leave. Thanks for ruining what up until now had been an enjoyable experience.'. |
| 19:20.12 | jnwhiteh | is an IRON FIST |
| 19:20.12 | Cide | way to go, jnwhiteh! |
| 19:20.16 | Cide | RULE THIS WITH YOUR IRON FIST |
| 19:20.19 | olafski | < Cide> now he's just annoying <-- word :) |
| 19:20.29 | jnwhiteh | by doing pretty much nothing.. |
| 19:20.46 | Adys | In a move that could cause serious privacy problems for players of World of Warcraft, Blizzard has added timestamps and an RSS feed to the game's online armory site. |
| 19:20.48 | Adys | fuck |
| 19:20.55 | Adys | if you want privacy dont fucking play mmos |
| 19:20.56 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: to get you back I'm going to stop following you on twitter! or not |
| 19:21.04 | kd3 | privacy? in an mmo |
| 19:21.08 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: you're too much of a twitter whore |
| 19:21.16 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: I know :( |
| 19:21.21 | Ackis | I've won stuff on it though! : |
| 19:21.22 | Ackis | :D |
| 19:21.33 | jnwhiteh | so, someone explain the first boss before Ignis to me |
| 19:21.35 | jnwhiteh | something about bikes? |
| 19:21.35 | olafski | privacy issue.. because my gf can now see when I've been playing? |
| 19:21.39 | jnwhiteh | what do I need to know as a healer. |
| 19:21.44 | Cide | there are no healers |
| 19:21.47 | Cide | everyone's in a vehicle |
| 19:21.47 | kd3 | as a healer; nothing |
| 19:21.51 | olafski | you don't really heal there |
| 19:21.51 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: your role doesnt matter |
| 19:21.54 | olafski | unless you're being shot up I guess |
| 19:22.00 | olafski | I forgot if you need healing there |
| 19:22.03 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 19:22.03 | Cide | anyway |
| 19:22.04 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: ignis has no bikes, you need to heal the slag pot dude and don't cast during his ass explosion |
| 19:22.05 | kd3 | what vehicle are you going to be in? |
| 19:22.06 | jnwhiteh | and we kill shit? |
| 19:22.06 | Cide | I've done it twice |
| 19:22.09 | kd3 | yes |
| 19:22.12 | Cide | Ackis, wrong boss |
| 19:22.14 | olafski | ackis: boss before ignis :) |
| 19:22.15 | nevcairiel | well some trash |
| 19:22.17 | nevcairiel | then the boss |
| 19:22.21 | Ackis | oh |
| 19:22.23 | nevcairiel | i guess you wont be doign any hard modes |
| 19:22.32 | Cide | in my experience you just hit your 1-3 button(s) and then collect loot |
| 19:22.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan@c-76-107-191-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 19:22.47 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 19:22.48 | Cide | it's not really something to prepare for |
| 19:22.50 | kd3 | that's pretty much it unless you're leaving more than one tower up |
| 19:22.51 | Cide | he's really easy |
| 19:22.51 | Ackis | Cide, olafski: pretty good that I knew ignis after not playing since forever :P |
| 19:23.02 | olafski | heh if you're not doing hard modes you can pretty much press random buttons |
| 19:23.11 | nevcairiel | you can 5man the 25-man version or so |
| 19:23.27 | nevcairiel | just takes a while :d |
| 19:23.36 | Adys | Cairenn|afk: http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/01/cat-cat/ |
| 19:24.50 | olafski | yer nevcairiel |
| 19:24.56 | olafski | we did it with 8 people, didn't take too long |
| 19:24.58 | olafski | 4 demolishers, gogo :) |
| 19:25.33 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:25.34 | Ancu | no body complain to wow about the RSS feed btw, I will find you and launch a tactical nuke (DISCLAIMER:If a tactical nuke is launched at someone who is suspected of complaining about the rss feed to wow I am not in any way related to the incident) |
| 19:26.03 | nevcairiel | you didnt see the QQ threads on the forums yet? |
| 19:26.08 | nevcairiel | you might run out of nukes |
| 19:26.20 | *** join/#wowuidev taleden (n=alex@user-38q41i6.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 19:26.22 | olafski | do you have a link to one? |
| 19:26.25 | olafski | I wonder what is wrong with it |
| 19:26.27 | kd3 | meh. let's see blizz introduce the tin-foil cap v2 |
| 19:26.32 | kd3 | it's only a matter of time |
| 19:26.47 | Ancu | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-feed.atom?r=Malfurion&cn=Anchu |
| 19:26.58 | olafski | I mean to a thread ancu :P |
| 19:27.04 | *** join/#wowuidev ckknight (n=ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 19:27.04 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 19:27.05 | Ancu | o, sorry |
| 19:27.16 | Ancu | I want a link to that too |
| 19:27.25 | Ancu | what can they posible be complaining about |
| 19:27.37 | *** join/#wowuidev kraftman (n=kraft_@cpc2-cwma7-2-0-cust130.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 19:27.38 | kd3 | same thing they complained about when they originally added the armory? |
| 19:27.48 | Ancu | WoWs up, g2g |
| 19:28.13 | kd3 | [[Tinfoil Hat]] |
| 19:28.19 | kd3 | ..er, http://www.wowwiki.com/Tinfoil_Hat |
| 19:28.50 | olafski | hm would be nice if the bot would respond with an item link if you put an item name in brackets :) |
| 19:28.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@host81-153-50-178.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) |
| 19:29.02 | kd3 | it does in #wowwiki |
| 19:29.02 | Cide | NO |
| 19:29.03 | olafski | and while someone's adding that, they can remove all the useless things like lart |
| 19:29.05 | Adys | link = slashdot |
| 19:29.42 | Adys | ~lart olafski |
| 19:29.42 | purl | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags olafski into court suing for $200 million |
| 19:29.56 | Adys | what |
| 19:29.59 | Adys | Im not unspecified |
| 19:30.01 | olafski | your larts can't hurt me |
| 19:30.09 | olafski | I have the bot on ignore :P |
| 19:30.23 | olafski | funny eggdrops stopped being funny more than 10 years ago |
| 19:30.25 | Adys | thats.. stupid? |
| 19:30.45 | olafski | why is it? |
| 19:30.55 | Adys | purl is useful and you're ignoring it because of random stuff like ~lart ? |
| 19:31.17 | olafski | useful.. I hadn't noticed anything useful before I put it on ignore :) |
| 19:31.23 | Adys | its not like it spams the channel |
| 19:31.23 | olafski | and if I want something I can always just pm it |
| 19:31.30 | nevcairiel | the only useful thing is |
| 19:31.34 | nevcairiel | ~weather edhi |
| 19:31.51 | nevcairiel | 100% humidity, fun |
| 19:31.56 | olafski | I guess usefulness is in the eye of the beholder |
| 19:32.08 | Cide | so that you don't have to look out the window |
| 19:32.10 | olafski | if usefulness if even a word :P |
| 19:32.22 | Cide | it is |
| 19:32.24 | Adys | it is and matters not, if i started putting everything I dont consider useful on ignore |
| 19:32.25 | olafski | is* |
| 19:32.30 | nevcairiel | Cide: well thats actually about 50km from here, not that i can watch that far :P |
| 19:32.31 | Adys | I'd be a lone, lone soul |
| 19:32.40 | olafski | adys: that's your prerogative.. I already do that :) |
| 19:32.45 | nevcairiel | but its close to my work, so i can see what weather is there! |
| 19:32.53 | Adys | then I'm sad for you I guess |
| 19:33.01 | olafski | feel free ,) |
| 19:33.25 | olafski | as I said, I don't much care for autogenerated insults.. you could just type one yourself if you want to insult me :P |
| 19:35.24 | Lunessa | auto-generation of insults saves me the effort of being cruel to you specifically instead of just cruel in general, douchnozzel. |
| 19:44.58 | Fisker | any patch for us? :( |
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| 20:03.01 | DWSR | US realms up yet? |
| 20:03.16 | DWSR | Fisker, shouldn't be. Launcher hasn't seen anything |
| 20:03.21 | DWSR | The patch would have hit by now. |
| 20:04.16 | DWSR | US realms up |
| 20:04.46 | cbreak | there's a patch? |
| 20:04.51 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 20:05.22 | DWSR | clears his throat. |
| 20:05.24 | DWSR | Mentlegen |
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| 20:13.18 | Cairenn|afk | Adys: won't let me see the pic, even though I've authorized everything - will take your word for it that it is either "awwww, cute" or "rofl!" |
| 20:13.37 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 20:13.46 | jnwhiteh | we're in the middle of explaining strategies for Igris |
| 20:13.51 | jnwhiteh | Ignis |
| 20:13.55 | jnwhiteh | the mage who is goign to do the adds says |
| 20:14.03 | jnwhiteh | "aaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I'm a girl, let me go get my brother" |
| 20:14.36 | Adys | Cairenn: actually for some reason its gone 404 now |
| 20:14.47 | Cairenn | oh well |
| 20:14.49 | Cairenn | :) |
| 20:14.50 | jnwhiteh | Cairenn: stop abusing the bots. |
| 20:14.56 | jnwhiteh | or I'll smite you with my iron fist! |
| 20:14.59 | Cairenn | jnwhiteh: no! |
| 20:15.03 | Cairenn | pouts |
| 20:15.12 | jnwhiteh | you can undress the bots |
| 20:15.13 | jnwhiteh | if you'd like! |
| 20:15.21 | Cairenn | undresses jnwhiteh |
| 20:15.30 | Adys | ~undress |
| 20:15.30 | purl | somebody said undress was take me: _/\*/\_ |
| 20:15.55 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 20:16.05 | Adys | I'm trying really hard to understand that smiley |
| 20:16.15 | Ackis | I think the * is an anus |
| 20:16.15 | jnwhiteh | you don't want to |
| 20:16.24 | Adys | thats the easy part Ackis |
| 20:16.28 | Adys | but |
| 20:16.39 | Adys | if the rest are legs, I uh.. thats painful |
| 20:16.47 | Adys | if they're arms... thats messed up |
| 20:18.35 | Adys | Cairenn: http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/7961116bf5557b3683dd5a90284441979e785872_m.jpg |
| 20:18.42 | Adys | I went through 15 layers of relinking to find this |
| 20:18.43 | cogwheel | Adys: imagination fail |
| 20:18.44 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 20:19.03 | Cairenn | nice photoshop job, is cute |
| 20:19.04 | cogwheel | it's clearly a front crotch view with the leg's spread out in front, knees bent upwards |
| 20:19.08 | cogwheel | * = bush |
| 20:19.33 | cogwheel | hides |
| 20:19.50 | Adys | cogwheel: but thats ... still painful, I mean the legs can't be spread that far |
| 20:19.54 | Adys | I know its just 2d but STILL |
| 20:20.15 | cogwheel | those are the feet on either side... it's called foreshortening |
| 20:20.30 | cogwheel | should stop before people think he came up with it |
| 20:20.42 | Adys | ~factinfo undress |
| 20:20.42 | purl | undress -- created by tarzeau <~tarzeau@dclient217-162-4-70.hispeed.ch> at Mon Mar 18 19:46:48 2002 (2864 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by Adys, 5m 12s ago. |
| 20:20.54 | Adys | Ok, thats scary |
| 20:20.59 | cogwheel | wow... 3 times in 8 years |
| 20:21.06 | Adys | and I'm one of them |
| 20:21.08 | nevcairiel | the counter is broken, afaik |
| 20:21.19 | Adys | ~factinfo nevcairiel |
| 20:21.19 | purl | nevcairiel -- last modified at Fri Aug 24 14:05:11 2007 by nevcairiel!i=nevcairi@unaffiliated/nevcairiel; it has been requested 4 times, last by Groktar at Mon Jul 6 06:53:59 2009; it has been locked by nevcairiel. |
| 20:21.26 | cogwheel | Adys: stop abusing the bot |
| 20:21.31 | cogwheel | :P |
| 20:21.32 | Adys | ~factinfo abuse |
| 20:21.32 | purl | there's no such factoid as abuse, Adys |
| 20:21.39 | Adys | see cogwheel |
| 20:21.44 | Adys | theres no such thing as abuse. |
| 20:21.47 | nevcairiel | ~factinfo asktoask |
| 20:21.47 | purl | asktoask -- created by Shirik <i=nospam@24.229.63.42.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net> at Wed Jul 18 00:33:40 2007 (916 days); it has been requested 201 times, last by Torhal, 2d 8h 34m 12s ago. |
| 20:21.54 | nevcairiel | hm, maybe the counter is working |
| 20:21.58 | Adys | lol |
| 20:22.09 | Adys | also Cairenn, that doesn't look photoshopped |
| 20:22.21 | Adys | or i mean |
| 20:22.36 | Adys | I can totally see that kind of hair on a cat |
| 20:22.46 | tem | ~laziness |
| 20:22.47 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:22.49 | tem | ~impatience |
| 20:22.50 | purl | IMPATIENCE: The anger you feel when the computer is being lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to your needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least that pretend to. Hence, the second great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:22.54 | tem | ~hubris |
| 20:22.54 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:22.55 | cogwheel | yeah, that kind of pattern is bound to occur |
| 20:22.58 | tem | ~fear of complexity |
| 20:22.59 | purl | FEAR OF COMPLEXITY: That which causes you to implement as little as possible, as simplicity is easier to fix. As well, that which prevents feature creep due to the environmental damage it causes. Hence, the fourth great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:23.17 | Adys | now tem is abusing the bot |
| 20:23.20 | Adys | and people blame me |
| 20:23.25 | tem | I thought it was abusing the bot time |
| 20:23.34 | Adys | hey I dont mind |
| 20:23.37 | Adys | but people blame ME |
| 20:23.38 | nevcairiel | hey the four virtues of a programmer are not abuse! |
| 20:23.40 | tem | blames Adys |
| 20:23.46 | Adys | thats fine tem |
| 20:23.48 | Adys | you can blame me |
| 20:23.50 | Adys | but not nevcairiel. |
| 20:23.51 | cogwheel | look at all the virgins and jesuses on grilled cheese, toilet seats, etc |
| 20:23.59 | cogwheel | and the mickey mouse cow |
| 20:24.04 | Adys | ~jesus |
| 20:24.05 | purl | methinks jesus is cool, or apparently now EMACS (see emacs) |
| 20:24.32 | cogwheel | in fact, if there never was a cat with a passable picture of a cat in its markings, THAT would be unusual imo |
| 20:24.52 | Adys | so that means |
| 20:25.04 | Adys | if there never was a cat with a good picture of me in its markings |
| 20:25.08 | Adys | that would be insane |
| 20:25.21 | tem | Moneys with a typewriter |
| 20:25.26 | tem | shakespear |
| 20:25.29 | tem | etc |
| 20:25.29 | tem | yawns |
| 20:25.52 | Adys | I dont get it |
| 20:26.00 | tem | you wouldn't |
| 20:26.04 | cogwheel | i did |
| 20:26.11 | Adys | MONKEYS |
| 20:26.13 | Adys | not Moneys |
| 20:26.15 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:26.20 | Fisker | you WOULDN'T |
| 20:26.35 | Adys | I was looking around trying to figure out wtf you were talking about moneys with a typewriter |
| 20:26.45 | cogwheel | you wouldn't steal a cow with mickey mouse markings and sell it to Disney for 2 million |
| 20:26.56 | Adys | I would |
| 20:27.01 | Lunessa | I SO WOULD |
| 20:27.09 | Adys | hell |
| 20:27.11 | cogwheel | 2 million WHAT though? |
| 20:27.19 | Adys | I'd still a cow with mickey mouse markings and keep it for myself |
| 20:27.19 | Lunessa | 2 million E-tickets! |
| 20:27.19 | Cairenn | cow patties |
| 20:28.00 | tem | Q: What advancement in science would you like to see in your lifetime? |
| 20:28.05 | tem | A: Downloadable Cars |
| 20:28.14 | tem | >You wouldn't steal a car... wait |
| 20:28.31 | Adys | a downloadable teleporter imo |
| 20:28.36 | nevcairiel | downloading is not stealing! the original stays there! :P |
| 20:28.40 | cogwheel | replicator imo |
| 20:29.25 | cogwheel | and a near-free energy source to power it |
| 20:29.48 | cogwheel | that or singularity, so we won't even have to worry about food, housing, etc. |
| 20:31.13 | nevcairiel | you can still hope for cern to destroy the world |
| 20:31.40 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Fuck all that. I want my goddamned jet pack |
| 20:32.01 | cogwheel | http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/transportation/4217989.html |
| 20:32.05 | cogwheel | so 2007 |
| 20:32.41 | Lunessa | So where the fuck is mine? Hrm? Where's the dealership? Why the fuck do I still have to drive? I want my jet pack |
| 20:34.54 | alestane | Lunessa: Instead we get http://www.cracked.com/article/18359_6-transportation-innovations-more-baffling-than-segway_p2 |
| 20:39.11 | Lunessa | alestane: dear god |
| 20:39.26 | alestane | Get to the AquaSkipper yet? |
| 20:39.38 | alestane | It doesn't have the same impact unless you also watch the video. |
| 20:39.38 | Lunessa | yes. And the monowheel |
| 20:40.13 | alestane | That's also the second page, the first one didn't pop up in my history as quick;y/ |
| 20:40.18 | alestane | quickly* |
| 20:40.47 | alestane | This is also excellent: http://www.cracked.com/funny-3809-internet-argument-techniques/ |
| 20:41.42 | Lunessa | Hyperbike.... for those times when you need to strap yourself into a lot of metal and work five times too hard to ride a bike. |
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| 20:44.00 | alestane | In a vehicle that takes up more space that the average compact car. |
| 20:45.02 | Lunessa | Yeah, I need me a garage full of all that fail. |
| 20:45.37 | mascondante | ohai |
| 20:48.11 | alestane | "We don't need to retell all of the horror stories. A kid commits suicide on webcam while the trolls cheer him on, Anonymous mocks a suicide victim, some kids fire a baby out of a giant slingshot for a YouTube video (we're not sure if that last one actually happened but it's really just a matter of time)." |
| 20:48.24 | alestane | Afternoon. |
| 20:52.16 | cogwheel | That video for American Chariot reminds me of Reno 911 |
| 20:54.31 | Shirik | bleeter: Thanks :P |
| 20:55.00 | Shirik | though you're a little earliy |
| 20:58.01 | Lunessa | alestane: So, if I launch a baby out of a giant slingshot... |
| 20:58.52 | Cide | Shirik, happy new years |
| 20:59.01 | Shirik | uh, thanks Cide |
| 21:00.07 | Cide | np |
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| 21:03.22 | alestane | "World of Warcraft Gamers - Secret Tactics allow you to NEVER have to buy Gold again." |
| 21:03.23 | alestane | What exactly are they talking about? I don't have to buy gold NOW. |
| 21:07.01 | Arrowmaster | neither do i! |
| 21:07.07 | kdtresh | it's a trick: if you buy it, you're admitting to buying gold in the past! |
| 21:07.10 | Arrowmaster | i dont even have to pay blizzard a monthly fee! |
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| 21:07.29 | Fisker | good one kd3 |
| 21:07.31 | Fisker | kdtresh |
| 21:08.17 | Lunessa | Do you still beat your wife? Yes/No |
| 21:09.25 | nicoli_s | why not add occasionally as an option |
| 21:11.42 | kdtresh | yes/no/only on tuesdays? |
| 21:12.04 | Thunder_Child | thats odd, i didnt see a part msg for arrowmaster |
| 21:12.17 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 21:12.21 | mikma | lunessa: we are still waitingfor your reply |
| 21:13.08 | Thunder_Child | odd arrowmaster, i can tab complete your name because you are not showing up in the channel list |
| 21:13.10 | Thunder_Child | cant* |
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| 21:13.25 | Arrowmaster | your client broke? |
| 21:13.28 | Thunder_Child | my client doesnt think you are here....or the server doesnt |
| 21:13.36 | Arrowmaster | hop |
| 21:13.37 | Lunessa | mikma: You assume I have a wife. |
| 21:13.52 | nevcairiel | fun fact, i dont see him on there either |
| 21:13.53 | mikma | lunessa: of course, wow gamers can't be single |
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| 21:14.10 | Arrowmaster | i broke the server? |
| 21:14.15 | Thunder_Child | ah, there you are |
| 21:14.20 | Lunessa | I'm totally single . I'm saving myself for Cairenn. |
| 21:14.22 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: doesnt see me either |
| 21:14.29 | Cairenn | purrs at Lunessa |
| 21:14.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i see Arrowmaster fine... |
| 21:14.33 | nevcairiel | probably some netsplit thing |
| 21:14.49 | Arrowmaster | not the first time ive broken an irc network |
| 21:15.06 | Arrowmaster | although the last time i got glined and squelched for a week |
| 21:27.08 | frontendloader | if I'm making multiple button in a for k,v in pairs(t) loop and using the information in v.name to name my button |
| 21:27.20 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:27.28 | frontendloader | is there an elegant way to setpoint based off the location of the previous frame? |
| 21:27.52 | Lunessa | snuggles Cairenn, and offers her new boots. |
| 21:27.57 | frontendloader | or do I have to set up some iterators on my own to keep track of this |
| 21:28.01 | Cairenn | purrs at Lunessa some more |
| 21:28.19 | frontendloader | previousframe = v or something like that |
| 21:28.25 | frontendloader | at the end of my loop |
| 21:29.42 | Shirik | Cairenn likes boots? |
| 21:29.48 | Cairenn | does indeed |
| 21:29.54 | cogwheel | frontendloader: sounds about right |
| 21:30.04 | frontendloader | trying to do this manually instead of using a SetLayout("Flow or List etc") |
| 21:30.07 | Cairenn | is a borderline boot slut |
| 21:30.10 | Lunessa | And she has taste in boots that could make strong men weep in train stations. |
| 21:30.53 | alestane | Cairenn has excellent taste in clothes. Now if only she would have worn some of them during BlizzCon the other year. |
| 21:31.02 | Cairenn | :p |
| 21:31.13 | alestane | Apparently we need to add a "go clubbing" night to the UI BlizzCon activities. |
| 21:31.24 | Cairenn | !!! |
| 21:31.43 | Cairenn | the one thing I always wish for during BlizzCon ... somewhere to go partying |
| 21:31.50 | alestane | I think I just made the cat's ears perk up. |
| 21:31.52 | Lunessa | You should have seen her dressed for Ozzy. |
| 21:32.10 | alestane | Lunessa: I was, alas, without plane fare. |
| 21:32.13 | Lunessa | She made monks regret their vows. |
| 21:32.22 | Cairenn | Lunessa: hah! as if |
| 21:32.37 | Thunder_Child | she never did get the stilleto leather boots though |
| 21:32.47 | alestane | My wife drove my car through a very large puddle while I was swiping Peppy's TV and killed the distributor. |
| 21:32.58 | Lunessa | Cairenn: I was tempted to do wicked, nasty, naughty things to you right there in the concert hall. I'm just saying. |
| 21:33.01 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: I already have stilleto leather boots, what are you talking about? |
| 21:33.20 | cogwheel | Lunessa: e.g. take a picture? |
| 21:33.25 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 21:33.39 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: you once linked a pair of boots like that and said you wanted them. did you eventually get them then? |
| 21:33.49 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: once? |
| 21:33.52 | Cairenn | oh, that was a different pair |
| 21:33.57 | Cairenn | no, I didn't pick those ones up |
| 21:34.02 | Thunder_Child | well there you go then |
| 21:34.06 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel: that i remember |
| 21:34.08 | Cairenn | but I do already own a different pair |
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| 21:34.43 | Thunder_Child | i always thought that heels were silly silly things |
| 21:34.50 | DWSR | Any Java devs in here? |
| 21:34.59 | alestane | Only when I can't avoid it. |
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| 21:35.09 | alestane | And not really to begin with. |
| 21:35.12 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:35.16 | DWSR | Objects are classes? |
| 21:35.22 | DWSR | And packages are classes? |
| 21:35.29 | batrick | wait what? |
| 21:35.59 | DWSR | I'm sitting in my CS102 lecture right now and he's saying that classes can be objects AND packages? |
| 21:36.11 | alestane | Classes are objects, I think, at least in several other high-level languages, including ActionScript, Objective-C and Lua. |
| 21:36.31 | alestane | Actually, as far as I can tell, ActionScript is Lua dressed in JavaScript syntax. |
| 21:36.53 | DWSR | So a package is a class and an object (definition) is a class? |
| 21:37.05 | alestane | A package defines a class, typically. |
| 21:37.08 | alestane | Or several. |
| 21:37.30 | DWSR | Sort of stupid to define a package for only 1 class, isn't it? |
| 21:37.56 | nicoli_s | i thought a package was javas version of namespaces |
| 21:38.04 | DWSR | As far as I'm understanding, it is. |
| 21:38.07 | alestane | In several languages, possibly including Java, for each class, there is an Object with the same name as that class, of type "Class" or something similar, which is used to define new instances of that class. |
| 21:38.08 | DWSR | Yet, it's a class. |
| 21:38.15 | nicoli_s | and objects are the instantiation of a class |
| 21:38.40 | DWSR | sorry, I'm getting my terminology backwards. |
| 21:38.56 | cogwheel | each day that passes makes me gladder to never have learned Java |
| 21:38.58 | DWSR | So a package is a class? |
| 21:39.16 | Arrowmaster | alestane: ActionScript and Lua are very different, ones strict typed and the other is dynamic typed |
| 21:40.01 | alestane | But as far as I can tell, ActionScript objects basically are Lua tables, and the inheritance mechanism follows a very similar pattern. |
| 21:40.21 | Fisker | oh geez |
| 21:40.41 | Fisker | i accidentally the whole icc instance |
| 21:40.44 | DWSR | So a package is a namespace which is a class? |
| 21:41.01 | DWSR | So, all packages are classes, but not all classes are packages? |
| 21:41.45 | alestane | Arrowmaster: The syntaxes are very different but I suspect the runtimes are as similar as they aren't. |
| 21:42.57 | Arrowmaster | maybe, i dont know actionscript though |
| 21:43.43 | alestane | I tried to learn some to do a project in Flash, but didn't care enough to get the project finished sadly. |
| 21:43.48 | Arrowmaster | but i get defensive when people compare lua to other languages because i think lua is one of the few languages that got almost everything right |
| 21:44.20 | Arrowmaster | others have some blatantly huge flaws |
| 21:45.08 | alestane | Arrowmaster: I'm very fond of it myself. I use that comparison as a way to try and remind myself that ActionScript shouldn't be that bad (despite my tendency to refer to it as the "unholy bastard spawn of Lua and JavaScript.") |
| 21:45.48 | Arrowmaster | i still dont understand how both python and ruby could get scoping so wrong |
| 21:45.55 | laindir|work | DWSR: according to java.sun.com, a package is a collection of classes and other types (in my mind, basically a namespace). An object is an instance of a class. |
| 21:45.55 | alestane | Of course, right now the Lua community has been raking the devs over the coals for releasing a work version of Lua 5.2 and not including a "continue" keyword. |
| 21:46.11 | Arrowmaster | continue? |
| 21:46.30 | alestane | "proceed to the next iteration of the loop" |
| 21:46.30 | Arrowmaster | if its for what i think it is thats a horrible idea |
| 21:46.34 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 21:46.45 | alestane | Like in C. |
| 21:46.53 | Arrowmaster | wait, cant you use return to do that? |
| 21:47.09 | alestane | I'm not actually sure that Python got scoping wrong, at least in the sense that variables are local by default. |
| 21:47.29 | alestane | Arrowmaster: If you want to spawn a new closure every iteration through the loop, yes. |
| 21:47.40 | laindir|work | the effect of a continue statement can be duplicated by just wrapping the remainder of the loop body in a conditional. Arrowmaster: return ends the whole function, break ends the innermost loop, continue just ends the current iteration. |
| 21:48.04 | Arrowmaster | alestane: a = foo; do a = bar end; assert(a == foo) |
| 21:48.05 | alestane | And there are other hacks, such as wrapping one loop in another and breaking out of the inner loop to trigger a new iteration. |
| 21:48.19 | Arrowmaster | alestane: rebinding makes a new local ive heard |
| 21:48.23 | alestane | Arrowmaster: Assertion failed. |
| 21:48.32 | Arrowmaster | in python that would pass i think |
| 21:48.38 | alestane | Excuse me, no it doesn't. |
| 21:48.49 | alestane | Oh wait, it does, nothing was local. |
| 21:48.49 | mikma | liar |
| 21:49.19 | Arrowmaster | alestane: that would fail in lua, but in python everything would be local from what i understand and it would pass |
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| 21:49.54 | alestane | Arrowmaster: That's because globals shouldn't be used to communicate between scopes in Python unless you explicitly use them that way. |
| 21:50.14 | alestane | Which is generally regarded as better practice anyway. |
| 21:50.52 | DWSR | I'm kicking myself for coming to this class. |
| 21:50.53 | DWSR | >.< |
| 21:51.13 | Arrowmaster | alestane: here it is, http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3104/ |
| 21:54.22 | mikma | haste: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/01/shred_stick_of_the_future_misa.php |
| 21:54.24 | Thunder_Child | kicks DWSRfor going to that class as well |
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| 21:55.19 | Arrowmaster | alestane: and a ruby example, http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2006-09/msg00103.html http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2005-08/msg00139.html |
| 21:55.23 | cogwheel | kicks Academia for treating Java like the gospel |
| 21:55.26 | alestane | Arrowmaster: Slightly different problem and one that sounds like it is probably in need of a solution. |
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| 21:57.12 | alestane | cogwheel: Some of the reading I've been given about training the next generation of game developers says that we are generally doing them a huge disservice by starting their CS education in Java. |
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| 21:58.12 | cogwheel | *nod* |
| 21:59.09 | KarlKFI|work | wish i'd had to learn some C++ or obj C in college |
| 21:59.09 | DWSR | alestane: I can believe it. |
| 21:59.24 | cogwheel | CS1A was C++ at the community college here |
| 21:59.39 | KarlKFI|work | cause not having any required C meants i was very unmotivated to learn it |
| 21:59.46 | KarlKFI|work | and now it limits me |
| 21:59.53 | Thunder_Child | CS 3 (which was the first class) was VB for me |
| 22:00.31 | alestane | They cite a practical reason: That developers are much more interested in the ability to program in C and C++. But it also leads to some awkward conceptual frameworks in the student. |
| 22:01.00 | DWSR | alestane: To be totally honest, why is Java picked anyway? |
| 22:01.04 | KarlKFI|work | heh,weather sites are all full of red text "High surf advisory" "Flash Flood Watch" "Wind Advisory" "Tornado Warning" |
| 22:01.14 | cogwheel | err. CIS 10A ... but w/e... it looks like it's still C++ for "Introduction to Computer Programming" :) |
| 22:01.14 | alestane | Of course, our multimedia curriculum starts with Python and progresses to Visual Basic. Only if they continue to the Game Design program do we throw C++ at them. |
| 22:01.15 | DWSR | btw, new character calendar in the armory fucking rapes. |
| 22:01.20 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: because Sun has money |
| 22:01.44 | DWSR | cogwheel: Mine's Java. >.< |
| 22:01.50 | alestane | DWSR: It's regarded as a friendlier version of C++, and supports GUI programming in a fairly cross-platform fashion. |
| 22:02.03 | DWSR | alestane: Through Swing? |
| 22:02.08 | alestane | That's the idea. |
| 22:02.09 | cogwheel | DWSR: i know >< that's what started this whole thing :P |
| 22:02.11 | Thunder_Child | CIS != CS |
| 22:02.47 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: I'm glad you understand the alphabet |
| 22:02.57 | DWSR | OMG |
| 22:02.57 | Thunder_Child | me too |
| 22:03.02 | cogwheel | totally irrelevant though... there's no standardized way to name courses |
| 22:03.08 | DWSR | People don't understand that static != constant. |
| 22:03.14 | KarlKFI|work | computer information systems? |
| 22:03.30 | alestane | That's what CIS usually stands for. |
| 22:03.38 | KarlKFI|work | we dont use it here |
| 22:03.40 | cogwheel | All of the computer science and Information tech classes at the SRJC are labeled CIS |
| 22:03.42 | Thunder_Child | iit was a joke, because we have both CIS and CS courses |
| 22:03.43 | KarlKFI|work | it's ICS here |
| 22:03.46 | KarlKFI|work | and CS |
| 22:03.50 | KarlKFI|work | and CSE |
| 22:03.58 | DWSR | Here it's ITI. |
| 22:04.17 | DWSR | It's bilingual English/French, so that probably has something to do with it. |
| 22:04.22 | KarlKFI|work | at least the C and the S here all mean the same thing |
| 22:04.28 | DWSR | lol |
| 22:04.31 | cogwheel | nope |
| 22:04.34 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 22:04.37 | DWSR | CS is Computer Science. |
| 22:04.43 | DWSR | CIS is Computer Info Systems |
| 22:04.46 | KarlKFI|work | here as in where i am, not where you are :P |
| 22:04.49 | DWSR | lol |
| 22:04.50 | DWSR | ah |
| 22:04.51 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 22:05.02 | KarlKFI|work | there's no CIS 'here' |
| 22:05.08 | KarlKFI|work | :P |
| 22:05.24 | DWSR | I want to punch this professor in the FACE |
| 22:05.34 | cogwheel | my favorite class was assembly by far |
| 22:05.36 | DWSR | Just walk up and fucking yell FALCON PAUNCH |
| 22:05.44 | DWSR | And walk out. |
| 22:05.50 | Thunder_Child | lol falcom paunch |
| 22:05.51 | KarlKFI|work | so there was heavy raina nd a tornado warnign an hour ago. now it's bright and sunny |
| 22:05.53 | Thunder_Child | falcon* |
| 22:05.57 | cogwheel | i submitted several corrections to the textbook, found solutions more optimal than the answers, etc. |
| 22:05.58 | laindir|work | cogwheel: high five |
| 22:06.01 | cogwheel | :) |
| 22:06.10 | Thunder_Child | FALCON SLIGHTLY LARGE STOMACH |
| 22:06.13 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: It's actually FALCONE PAUNCH |
| 22:06.21 | DWSR | If you listen to how he pronounces it. |
| 22:06.22 | KarlKFI|work | lol |
| 22:06.38 | KarlKFI|work | you dont spell mispronunciation |
| 22:06.41 | DWSR | Still the most effective form of birth control. |
| 22:06.51 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: You do when it makes the phrase that much funnier. |
| 22:06.55 | KarlKFI|work | even works after they're born |
| 22:07.00 | DWSR | Yep. |
| 22:07.10 | KarlKFI|work | post-birth abortion |
| 22:07.16 | DWSR | God, where's that Falcon Punch GIF? |
| 22:07.54 | zenzelezz | "Using the same advanced projective mathematics used in the study cited by Publishers Weekly, Go To Hellman has computed that publishers could be losing sales opportunities totaling over $100 billion per year, losses which extend back to at least the year 2000. ... From what we've been able to piece together, the book 'lending' takes place in 'libraries.'" |
| 22:08.00 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 22:08.30 | DWSR | ahaha |
| 22:08.36 | cogwheel | if you name your kid jehovah, does that mean christians wouldn't be allowed to address him by name? |
| 22:08.37 | KarlKFI|work | not this one... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/JasonTomlins/Funny%20Pictures/1200267225490.gif |
| 22:08.55 | PProvost | cogwheel: I thin only jews. Not sure tho |
| 22:09.21 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: : That's the one I was thinking of. |
| 22:09.32 | alestane | That ruffian's punch seems rather low. |
| 22:09.33 | DWSR | cogwheel: That's only Jews. |
| 22:09.43 | DWSR | alestane: And lacking in Falcon. |
| 22:09.49 | DWSR | However, it still gets the point across. |
| 22:10.00 | cogwheel | i guess that makes sense... |
| 22:10.16 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: Thank you, I needed that. |
| 22:10.18 | DWSR | ahaha |
| 22:10.39 | KarlKFI|work | also: http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/flameonfish/falcon_punch.gif |
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| 22:11.16 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: ROFL |
| 22:11.21 | DWSR | Captain Falcon is white though |
| 22:11.42 | KarlKFI|work | still funny |
| 22:11.46 | laindir|work | cogwheel: I believe that also only applies to forms of communication that are subject to destruction (writing, email, etc.). I read at one point that it's based on the idea that the name is sacred, and therefore, destroying an instance of the name is bad. |
| 22:11.48 | Kraps | PProvost: ... |
| 22:12.34 | DWSR | laindir|work: Imagine how much fun you could have with that when you register your kid for school though |
| 22:12.49 | DWSR | Reminds me of that XKCD ep. |
| 22:12.57 | KarlKFI|work | they wouldnt care. seperation of church and state |
| 22:12.58 | Thunder_Child | yup |
| 22:13.03 | cogwheel | admittedly, i'm coming at this in response to a common saying rather than any scriptural analysis... "Don't take the lord's name in vain" |
| 22:13.06 | Thunder_Child | sanatize ftw |
| 22:13.15 | DWSR | http://xkcd.com/327/ |
| 22:13.19 | Lunessa | cogwheel: It's especially important to kabalist mystics. They believed that any of the "99 names of God" written could be used to perform any number of supernatural things, including giving live to golems. |
| 22:13.24 | Thunder_Child | sanitize* |
| 22:13.34 | KarlKFI|work | that xkcd is posted ont he wall outside my office dooor |
| 22:13.36 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: Depends where you live. Here there are Jewish schools. |
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| 22:14.29 | DWSR | Little Jehovah Tables. :D |
| 22:14.43 | KarlKFI|work | you've got to realize tho that many of those traditions existed before the bible was written and some of the practices were absorbed from pagan rituals and beliefs |
| 22:14.55 | KarlKFI|work | like the whole naming of demons thing |
| 22:15.00 | KarlKFI|work | and names being powerful |
| 22:15.17 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: Yeah, but trolling the religious is a great spectator sport. |
| 22:15.43 | kd3 | grr |
| 22:15.46 | kd3 | wtb working multicard |
| 22:15.49 | Lunessa | I'm religious, just not fanatical about it. |
| 22:15.52 | KarlKFI|work | it's really more of an ancient cultural thing rather than anything the the jewish god put forth. |
| 22:16.12 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: The Christian* God |
| 22:16.15 | KarlKFI|work | the only thing really added by the old testament was the commandment |
| 22:16.34 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: you just use that as an excuse to drink lots of wine "p |
| 22:16.38 | Thunder_Child | :p* |
| 22:16.39 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: The god of the Old Testament would have killed off the entire planet. |
| 22:16.44 | DWSR | Just some food for thought. |
| 22:16.46 | KarlKFI|work | DWSR: depends who you ask :P |
| 22:17.12 | KarlKFI|work | anyway, that's neither here nor there |
| 22:17.13 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Actually, my faith doesn't go in for a lot of ceremony and wine drinking. When I was a Catholic, it was different, but... you know, now I just drink for fun. |
| 22:17.14 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: No, he definitely would have killed off the entire planet, one of the books in the Old Testament is basically God killing sinners. |
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| 22:17.44 | DWSR | Trust me, if God exists, he either doesn't give a fuck, or he just doesn't exist. |
| 22:17.46 | KarlKFI|work | actually multiple books |
| 22:17.46 | DWSR | anyway, bbl. |
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| 22:18.21 | KarlKFI|work | anyway, back to java... |
| 22:18.25 | Thunder_Child | uhhhh..."<DWSR> Trust me, if God exists, he either doesn't give a fuck, or he just doesn't exist." doesnt that seem oddly stated? |
| 22:18.46 | KarlKFI|work | java is easier to teach and easier to grade. |
| 22:19.07 | KarlKFI|work | because the compiler does some of the teaching and some of the grading for you |
| 22:22.17 | Arrowmaster | most schools seem to not give a fuck about teaching anymore, they just want your money |
| 22:22.30 | A-KO | yeah Arrowmaster, this is true |
| 22:22.36 | A-KO | this is why I do not have a 4 year degree and only a 2 year one :P |
| 22:22.50 | Lunessa | *cries* http://techdirt.com/articles/20100118/0250237790.shtml |
| 22:23.00 | laindir|work | KarlKFI|work: That's true of any compiled language. |
| 22:23.28 | A-KO | LOL |
| 22:23.31 | A-KO | violated school policies? |
| 22:23.49 | kd3 | there weren't any school policies he broke either |
| 22:23.56 | kd3 | other than 'don't make staff look like idiots' |
| 22:24.10 | A-KO | I did that all the time when I was in HS |
| 22:24.13 | A-KO | was great |
| 22:24.17 | A-KO | and MS, too for that matter |
| 22:24.19 | wereHamster | kd3: is that in your schools policy? :) |
| 22:24.22 | KarlKFI|work | laindir|work: except that C++ will compile and do all sorts of thigns that you didn't mean it to. |
| 22:24.24 | A-KO | it was way too easy |
| 22:24.39 | A-KO | but yeah, this is a further assault on the intelligent |
| 22:24.40 | kd3 | no; but I nearly failed a few classes for pulling a stunt similar to that |
| 22:24.42 | A-KO | it's a shame really |
| 22:24.44 | KarlKFI|work | java compilation has a greater probability that it does what you meant it to do |
| 22:24.48 | A-KO | kd3: he didn't pull a stunt |
| 22:24.51 | Thunder_Child | well now you know, motion detectors are IED's |
| 22:24.53 | A-KO | he brought in a motion detector science project |
| 22:24.55 | A-KO | they flipped out |
| 22:24.56 | kd3 | I know |
| 22:25.06 | A-KO | he didn't pull anything, didn't do anything, didn't intend to do anything |
| 22:25.27 | laindir|work | KarlKFI|work: I haven't worked much with Java, but I kind of doubt that. A bug doesn't care what language it's written in. |
| 22:26.34 | laindir|work | Though, since Java runs in a virtual machine, it's probably less likely to break poorly written operating systems. |
| 22:26.42 | KarlKFI|work | java is stricter in what it allows you to do by means of scoping and access restriction. it also abstracts the memory allocation and deallocation. so you don't have to worry abotu whole classes of bugs if it compiles that you still would have to worry abotu in C |
| 22:27.09 | cogwheel | for certain definitions of "worry about" imo... |
| 22:27.17 | KarlKFI|work | sure |
| 22:27.27 | KarlKFI|work | you can sure worry that it'll be slower :P |
| 22:27.29 | zenzelezz | important to distinguish between C and C++ in those cases |
| 22:28.04 | KarlKFI|work | either way, java compilation is stricter than both just byt he nature of the language |
| 22:28.04 | laindir|work | zenzelezz: very true. "new" keyword >>> malloc in terms of abstraction. |
| 22:28.45 | cogwheel | between RIAA and the STL, memory management isn't nearly as much of a problem in C++ as people claim it to be. You usually don't need to do anything with plain pointers unless you're writing a custom data structure |
| 22:29.19 | cogwheel | er RAII |
| 22:29.23 | cogwheel | >< |
| 22:29.59 | laindir|work | I forget. Does Java use a gc? |
| 22:30.00 | alestane | True, but on e of the things Blizz wanted to know about was whether or not I understood pointer arithmetic. |
| 22:30.13 | cogwheel | yes it does |
| 22:30.25 | KarlKFI|work | yes, it's gc is trasparent to the programmer |
| 22:30.57 | KarlKFI|work | unless you actually want to modify it. which i think you can |
| 22:31.03 | cogwheel | yeah i didn't mean that you don't use them, just that they're not necessary. at least not for trivial, intro to computer science type problems |
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| 22:31.21 | Arrowmaster | pretty much every language that uses a VM has a GC, except when you start getting into LLVM |
| 22:32.27 | cbreak | the VM in VMWare or Parallels execute bytecode without GC |
| 22:32.36 | cbreak | all low level stuff |
| 22:32.36 | laindir|work | That makes sense. Definitely an argument in favor for an introductory language... Freshman: "What's a memory leak?" |
| 22:32.43 | KarlKFI|work | i thinkt he onyl C i ever did in college was in an intro/history of CS class where we did assembly and jsut executed the assembly in C |
| 22:33.30 | alestane | laindir|work: That's the problem though. |
| 22:33.34 | KarlKFI|work | most of the memory management was taught in Operating Systems. |
| 22:33.41 | Lunessa | At least you didn't have to take FORTRAN and PASCAL. |
| 22:33.58 | laindir|work | Lunessa: and we're thankful. |
| 22:34.01 | cbreak | I had to learn countless languages :) |
| 22:34.11 | cbreak | it was great |
| 22:34.40 | alestane | See Nymbia's sig, except that I don't think s/he's posted in years..."Garbage collection is overrated; a whole generation of programmers is growing up with no concept of memory management." |
| 22:34.54 | KarlKFI|work | we had to learn a bunch of random languages in a broad Programming Languages class, but it was more like: These are the exotics |
| 22:34.58 | Lunessa | Though I admit, I still occasionally think about code in "do until" formats due to early influences. |
| 22:35.15 | alestane | Lunessa: I dodged the FORTRAN bullet. Pascal was the default language for Mac programming until OS X. |
| 22:35.24 | KarlKFI|work | it was? |
| 22:35.26 | alestane | Well, until System 7 anyway. |
| 22:35.32 | KarlKFI|work | that makes more sense |
| 22:35.38 | cogwheel | alestane: the ultimate irony is all of the garbage collected frameworks that require explicit disposal of objects >< |
| 22:35.43 | cogwheel | e.g. IDisposable |
| 22:35.56 | Lunessa | Since I began with BASIC and AppleBasic in 79 and 80, yeah. |
| 22:36.09 | cbreak | we learned a language for almost every course |
| 22:36.10 | Lunessa | Go go ProDOS |
| 22:36.19 | alestane | They started documenting the APIs in C at that point, but support for Pascal lingered until OS X. |
| 22:36.45 | alestane | MPW ftw. |
| 22:36.45 | cbreak | Java for network class, Eiffel and Oberon for OO classes, pascal and C for basic programming classes, some more C for System V IPC, some C dialect for microcontroler programming, Haskel for some class I forgot, prolog, some HW language I don't remember the name off... :) |
| 22:36.51 | Lunessa | I did manage to avoid doing serious work in LISP though. |
| 22:37.04 | alestane | Lunessa: My first college CS course was in Scheme. |
| 22:37.17 | Lunessa | comforts alestane |
| 22:37.45 | alestane | Of course, these days I'm much fonder of functional programming and Scheme's influence on Lua. |
| 22:37.57 | alestane | But at the time I wanted to abuse my instructor rather badly. |
| 22:39.05 | Lunessa | Learning a new way to think is usually a painful process. |
| 22:39.07 | KarlKFI|work | i did a few apps in lisp |
| 22:39.14 | KarlKFI|work | and a couple in Scheme |
| 22:39.14 | alestane | And while I may be grateful for the functional paradigm, I'm not sorry to lose all the Legion-blighted parentheses. |
| 22:39.18 | cogwheel | Erik Meijer has a video course in functional programming with Haskell on channel9 |
| 22:39.25 | cogwheel | <3 his shirts |
| 22:39.51 | KarlKFI|work | yeah scheme can diaf |
| 22:40.09 | alestane | I know one teacher who is described in James Gleick's book Chaos as "an American mathematician with a taste for loud shirts." |
| 22:40.22 | alestane | And when I quoted this at him, he was able to name the author. |
| 22:49.49 | Arrowmaster | new armory is hot, http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Tokrim |
| 22:51.07 | kd3 | "oh geez, damn warlock loot. yay shards!" |
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| 22:52.09 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:52.52 | alestane | Hugapeppy. |
| 22:53.09 | Fisker | chilipeppy |
| 22:53.29 | Lopeppeppy | Hiyapeople! |
| 22:53.35 | alestane | gives chillypeppy a blanket. |
| 22:54.32 | cogwheel | Hipeppeppy |
| 22:54.41 | cogwheel | alestane: one without sleeves i hope, for your own safety |
| 22:54.58 | alestane | ...opposite of Lo-peppeppy? |
| 22:55.12 | alestane | cogwheel: I said a blanket. Not a snuggie. |
| 22:55.28 | cogwheel | a superposition of that and a portmanteau of hello lopeppeppy |
| 22:55.46 | alestane | I daresay she already has a bathrobe, which she may wear backward if she feels some urge to do so. |
| 22:55.48 | cogwheel | a snuggie's a blanket with sleeves! |
| 22:55.48 | cogwheel | :P |
| 22:55.56 | laindir|work | cogwheel: 7 points for "portmanteau" |
| 22:56.13 | kd3 | I still laugh every time I see someone walk out of tar-jay with one of those in their cart |
| 22:56.20 | cogwheel | chuckles |
| 22:56.50 | Arrowmaster | yeah slankets are so much better quality |
| 22:57.03 | cogwheel | yay thunder |
| 22:57.09 | cogwheel | we don't get that much 'round these parts |
| 22:57.32 | Thunder_Child | i'm right here.. |
| 23:02.29 | Lopeppeppy | Rosie has the blanket, in exchange for allowing me to sit on the couch tonight. |
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| 23:06.04 | alestane | I think Ellen Degeneres also talked about this thing: http://www.infomercial-hell.com/blog/2007/10/26/no-the-hawaii-chair-is-not-dumb-at-all/ |
| 23:06.43 | alestane | Later! |
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| 23:13.19 | p3lim | whats the time in central america right now? |
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| 23:13.48 | Lopeppeppy | Where in central america, that might matter. |
| 23:13.56 | Azzurite | hi I want to get the specialtext of a unit (modding nameplates). i know the variable is extended.regions.specialText but when i print it it only prints "userdata: 193AA6B4" how do i get the specialText? |
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| 23:14.30 | Lopeppeppy | p3lim, my google fu says this. http://www.worldtimezone.com/time-caribbean12.php |
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| 23:15.08 | Lopeppeppy | And this. http://www.worldtimezone.com/ |
| 23:16.05 | Azzurite | can anyone point me somewhere explaining userdata? |
| 23:16.25 | cbreak | Comes from C Space |
| 23:16.35 | cbreak | you shouldn't meddle with it in WoW |
| 23:16.55 | Azzurite | read what ive written above |
| 23:17.06 | Azzurite | it seems like its in wow |
| 23:17.17 | Jerub | p3lim: my trick for doing that is saying, "What is the time in <cityname>?" |
| 23:17.46 | Jerub | i.e. google.com/search?q=what's+the+time+in+ohio |
| 23:19.16 | Arrowmaster | its not that you 'shouldnt' meddle with it, but you cant |
| 23:19.46 | cogwheel | the whole purpose of userdata is to allow lua objects to contain information that is used by the C side |
| 23:20.07 | Arrowmaster | Azzurite: that variable is probably referencing a fontstring |
| 23:20.27 | kd3 | wtf: Today's 5.8 earthquake brought to you by the Cayman Islands [Scary] |
| 23:20.36 | Antiarc | Userdata are just pointers to C data structures, generally |
| 23:20.36 | cbreak | Azzurite: read what I wrote above. If you want the details, also check out http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html. |
| 23:20.56 | cbreak | Basically, user data is a pointer or memory that is only of meaning to the C side |
| 23:21.25 | cbreak | lightuserdata is a number, heavyuserdata is a memory area I think |
| 23:22.00 | Azzurite | so... |
| 23:22.05 | Azzurite | thanks so far |
| 23:23.21 | cbreak | I use userdata to bind C++ class-instances to Lua. |
| 23:23.29 | cogwheel | maybe you need to ask a question that's a step or two higher in abstraction... |
| 23:23.34 | cbreak | I bet blizzard does something similar |
| 23:23.40 | Azzurite | yes i know cogwheel |
| 23:23.47 | Azzurite | thats what im wanting to do now :D |
| 23:24.04 | Azzurite | so i basically wanna mod this nameplate addon |
| 23:26.34 | Azzurite | to scale the nameplate smaller if the unit is a player pet |
| 23:27.03 | Azzurite | so set scale = 0,5 if specialtext contains "'s Pet" |
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| 23:27.23 | Azzurite | i got the set scale implemented |
| 23:27.32 | Azzurite | but i dont know where to get the specialtext |
| 23:28.05 | WobWork | can't you get it from the unit? |
| 23:28.36 | WobWork | set scale = 0.5 if unitispet or something |
| 23:28.48 | Azzurite | dunno |
| 23:28.54 | Azzurite | i get a table "plate" |
| 23:29.05 | Azzurite | with field "extended" thats also a table |
| 23:29.17 | cbreak | no unit? |
| 23:29.21 | Azzurite | and extended has unit, style, color, bars, regions, threatalpha |
| 23:29.27 | Arrowmaster | try this but do not use use this in production code, this is debugging only |
| 23:29.33 | cbreak | if you have unit, you're done |
| 23:29.37 | cbreak | just use the WoW API |
| 23:29.54 | Azzurite | unit.ispet? |
| 23:29.57 | cbreak | no... |
| 23:30.00 | Arrowmaster | print( ({[0]=extended.regions.specialText}):GetObjectType() ) |
| 23:30.21 | cbreak | UnitName(unit), Unit*(unit) |
| 23:30.24 | cbreak | which ever |
| 23:30.37 | cbreak | there are lots of methods to query attributes of units |
| 23:30.38 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: you dont have any access to unitids when messing with nameplates |
| 23:30.54 | Azzurite | yeah so the addon author uses |
| 23:31.03 | cbreak | According to Azzurite he has unit. |
| 23:31.11 | cbreak | wonder what it is if it's not a unit id |
| 23:31.14 | WobWork | that's probably not the unit we're used to =P |
| 23:31.26 | Azzurite | wait |
| 23:31.35 | Azzurite | i print the fields of the unit |
| 23:31.49 | WobWork | since it's nameplates, there are lots of nameplates there aren't 'Unit' equivalents of |
| 23:31.51 | cbreak | Unit IDs are strings |
| 23:31.55 | cbreak | if it has fields, it's something else |
| 23:32.19 | Azzurite | then it is |
| 23:32.21 | Azzurite | ^^ |
| 23:32.34 | Azzurite | [00:32:12] type = NPC [00:32:12] blue = 0 [00:32:12] isInCombat = false [00:32:12] class = UNKNOWN [00:32:12] alpha = 1 [00:32:12] healthmax = 17261 [00:32:12] reaction = FRIENDLY [00:32:12] health = 17261 [00:32:12] green = 0.99999779462814 [00:32:12] name = QQmore |
| 23:32.48 | Azzurite | that is extended.unit |
| 23:32.55 | Azzurite | QQmore is my pet :> |
| 23:33.28 | Azzurite | but maybe |
| 23:33.29 | Azzurite | wait |
| 23:35.46 | Azzurite | this variables are not blizzards |
| 23:35.52 | Azzurite | the author made them |
| 23:35.56 | Azzurite | -.- |
| 23:36.00 | Azzurite | so no relevance |
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| 23:44.24 | Azzurite | haha |
| 23:44.34 | Azzurite | extended.regions.specialText:GetText() |
| 23:45.50 | cbreak | oh power of metatables :) |
| 23:48.35 | Azzurite | how did that script work... /dump Cursor:MouseOver() or something |
| 23:50.20 | Azzurite | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.37 | Azzurite | only returns world frame -.- |
| 23:51.07 | Azzurite | thought i could get the framename of the nameplate |
| 23:51.13 | Azzurite | but doesnt work |
| 23:51.52 | cogwheel | "You know you're from CA when you (and all your Facebook friends) get super excited about some thunder :)" |
| 23:53.12 | Azzurite | is there a way to /dump all frames of an addon? |
| 23:53.35 | kd3 | grr |
| 23:53.38 | cogwheel | there's no way to know with certainty what addon a frame belongs to |
| 23:53.40 | kd3 | there's typos in archavon's log |
| 23:53.48 | cogwheel | especially when you throw libs into the mix |
| 23:54.06 | Azzurite | ok but is there a way to get the frame name beneath the mouse? |
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| 23:54.15 | Azzurite | even if its not clickable |
| 23:54.24 | cogwheel | get DevTools |
| 23:54.25 | WobWork | WheresMyCow |
| 23:54.27 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.43 | Jerub | you know |
| 23:54.52 | Jerub | I think that just became my next toon name. |
| 23:55.01 | Pneumatus | or just /framestack |
| 23:55.05 | WobWork | I only wrote that addon just so I could namedrop it =) |
| 23:55.24 | WobWork | (also cause secure frames were driving me insane) |
| 23:55.49 | Azzurite | oh wheresmycow was an answer |
| 23:55.53 | Azzurite | didnt know that :D |
| 23:56.17 | Azzurite | thought you were just randomly saying crazy things |
| 23:56.26 | cogwheel | a common-enough occurrance around here |
| 23:57.32 | frontendloader | etherpad would be so nice |
| 23:57.38 | Azzurite | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.43 | Azzurite | kinda in conflict here |
| 23:57.44 | frontendloader | if you could resize it to not be 1/4th of the screen wide |
| 23:58.03 | WobWork | Azzurite: bite the bullet =P |
| 23:58.16 | cbreak | pay someone to write them for you |
| 23:58.19 | WobWork | or write addons for Age of Conan instead |
| 23:58.25 | WobWork | then you don't need to learn Lua |
| 23:58.36 | cbreak | what does it use? |
| 23:58.37 | WobWork | you just need to write php irc bots =P |
| 23:58.48 | Azzurite | ^^ |
| 23:58.52 | WobWork | although maybe they exposed their api now |
| 23:58.54 | WobWork | I dunno =P |
| 23:58.55 | cbreak | php?! |
| 23:59.02 | WobWork | I was writing quiz/voting bots |
| 23:59.08 | cbreak | ah well, they could have chosen assembler I guess... |
| 23:59.10 | WobWork | because their chat system is irc based |
| 23:59.22 | WobWork | and you could log into the chat channels externally |
| 23:59.50 | WobWork | it was a nice idea. I could chat to guildies from work |
| 23:59.59 | cbreak | my guild has a forum |
