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| 00:16.19 | batrick | crap gossiping 18 year old girls sat next to me now I need to pull out the headphones |
| 00:16.41 | haste | wat |
| 00:17.08 | zenzelezz | he shoved them as deep as he could in his ears to try to stop the Twilight talk |
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| 00:17.28 | Dagmar | Ask 'em if they like porn. |
| 00:17.50 | Dagmar | Silence will reign supreme. |
| 00:18.55 | Dagmar | ...or your day will get a lot more interesting. |
| 00:18.58 | mikma | if they say "yes", ask if they wanna come to yourplace and film some |
| 00:19.39 | Lopeppeppy | Tell them you have a crush on someone too, but at least it's a REAL PERSON! |
| 00:20.07 | batrick | If I ever become rich I'll create a digiboyfriend fad |
| 00:20.36 | Lopeppeppy | We had those, it was the Tamagotchi fad. |
| 00:20.46 | mikma | well, saw the avatar 3D today |
| 00:20.57 | foxlit | pretty shiny things, mikma? |
| 00:21.13 | mikma | foxlit: yes, and lots of glow |
| 00:21.15 | Lopeppeppy | No telling! Haven't seen! LA LA LA LALA! |
| 00:21.31 | batrick | It's really good hurry up Lopeppeppy ! |
| 00:21.34 | foxlit | Out of interest, what tech? :) |
| 00:21.47 | mikma | Xpand |
| 00:22.04 | Lopeppeppy | batrick, I hate seeing things alone, and no one will go with me. *pouts* I was lucky to drag someone to Sherlock Holmes. |
| 00:22.11 | foxlit | Oh, cute. It's all RealD/MasterImage around here |
| 00:22.34 | zenzelezz | you can always watch stuff with me Lopeppeppy, but I'm not sure you'd find them as interesting as I do |
| 00:22.40 | mikma | after seeing one movie in 3D, i guess watching normal movies will suck balls |
| 00:23.28 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: I would be happy to see it again with you. Having people with you who haven't seen something restores much of the freshness. |
| 00:23.29 | alestane | There's just one little hurdle. |
| 00:24.19 | mikma | james horner still fucking owns when it comes to movie music |
| 00:24.32 | batrick | :( |
| 00:31.04 | mikma | oh, the Parnassus movie will be weird |
| 00:31.31 | mikma | i can say that. theres like 4 different persons playing the part hedger did |
| 00:31.38 | mikma | or whaaaat? |
| 00:35.23 | mikma | Heath Ledger, Johnny Depp, Jude Law, Colin Farrell =D |
| 00:35.30 | Hjalte | It makes sense in the movie :) |
| 00:35.41 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmm.... Johnny and Colin... |
| 00:36.15 | mikma | they all di look 1:1 in the trailer xD |
| 00:36.20 | mikma | was freaking awesome |
| 00:36.49 | mikma | i was like.. "wat, was that jdepp?" "jude law, eh?" |
| 00:39.15 | tlund | i was looking for an addon that can automtically track the "relevant" achievements based on where you are, for example different BG-achievements based on what BG you entered, but i cant find any. can it really be that no one wrote one?! :) |
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| 00:40.31 | Hjalte | tlund: There are definately addons like that. |
| 00:40.44 | mikma | OverAchiever or something |
| 00:41.01 | mikma | hi wobster |
| 00:45.13 | Tuller | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=15636 whee |
| 00:47.17 | Wobin | hi mikma |
| 00:48.07 | Wobin | Tuller, didn't -someone- do some research and conclude that? |
| 00:48.53 | Shadowed | Mikk did something a few weeks ago |
| 00:49.49 | Tuller | i actually profiled it a while ago, and based on the profiler, it uses less cpu time. i'm not sure if the profiler is correct or not, though |
| 00:50.10 | Mikk | Yes, firing OnUpdates - and any other event - takes quite a bit of CPU |
| 00:50.30 | Lopeppeppy | I like your last sentence in that description, Tuller. :P |
| 00:51.52 | Mikk | function(blah) someTable[123] = GetTime() end <- calling this function takes about 0.2 microseconds |
| 00:52.06 | Mikk | Having WoW fire an event / OnUpdate for you takes about 1 microsecond |
| 00:53.01 | Tuller | my theory was that the profiler itself had some minimum amount when recording cpu usage amounts |
| 00:53.07 | Mikk | The main reason being that it has to fiddle a dozen global variables |
| 00:53.17 | Mikk | Tuller: A major failure of the profiler will be that it only measures Lua time |
| 00:53.17 | Tuller | that makes more sense |
| 00:53.50 | Mikk | I created several thousand frames and measured the time from the first OnUpdate to the last |
| 00:54.04 | Mikk | So I got to see the time spent in C land also |
| 00:54.23 | alestane | The title of today's Megatokyo is a great phrase in and of itself: |
| 00:54.23 | alestane | "what has been logged cannot be unlogged" |
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| 00:54.46 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds very addon-like. |
| 00:55.48 | Mikk | But yeah it's not like one single addon is going to make or break it |
| 00:55.58 | Mikk | Call it .. what.. 20 actionbuttons visible |
| 00:56.02 | Mikk | Times 50 FPS |
| 00:56.12 | Mikk | 1 millsecond wasted per second |
| 00:56.40 | Tuller | interesting |
| 00:56.52 | zenzelezz | so that's why you wiped on Saurthang |
| 00:57.21 | Mikk | I should also mention that my testing showed that just having dummy frames shown - no handlers or positioning - affects FPS a little |
| 00:57.41 | Mikk | but we're talking on the order of <.1 microsecond per frame |
| 00:57.55 | Mikk | most likely all visible frames get looped every update |
| 00:59.04 | Mikk | ANYWAY the reason I was doing all that is because people were complaining that AceEvent / AceTimer were being "too expensive" |
| 00:59.17 | Mikk | With their ~0.3 microseconds added per callout |
| 00:59.21 | Mikk | But .. yeah.. 0.3 < 1 |
| 00:59.25 | Mikk | So it's a win |
| 01:02.28 | Kraps | evening |
| 01:02.42 | Tuller | well, that's useful to know, and a good reason for me to do the omnicc rewrite at some point |
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| 01:04.38 | Dagmar | It needs to be optimized until the number goes negative. |
| 01:05.14 | Dagmar | Then we'll start tunneling NYSE closing data through it. |
| 01:05.29 | zenzelezz | my timers are so fast they fire before you register them |
| 01:06.55 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
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| 01:07.20 | Dagmar | o.O -DWTF_USE_JIT_STUB_ARGUMENT_VA_LIST |
| 01:10.37 | Arrowmaster | cralor: to answer your earlier question since i didnt notice it until now, you cant, its something thats set when the repo is created on the server, you would have to get somebody at one of the sites to do it for you and completely wipe out the old repo |
| 01:11.30 | cralor | Yeah I assumed that :) Do you know why I am getting that error? I pastied it |
| 01:11.36 | cralor | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131232 |
| 01:12.21 | Arrowmaster | i cant tell without seeing what its erroring from |
| 01:12.23 | tlund | mikma: no, OverAchiever does not do that :( |
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| 01:12.34 | cralor | Arrowmaster: .pkgmeta Packager |
| 01:12.44 | Arrowmaster | right i would have to see the .pkgmeta |
| 01:13.14 | cralor | Ok |
| 01:13.36 | cralor | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131238 |
| 01:14.40 | Arrowmaster | yeah you cant do any of that tag: latest stuff if you are using an external repo |
| 01:15.48 | cralor | ok so I have to do a specific version? or just take that out |
| 01:16.51 | Arrowmaster | you cant |
| 01:16.58 | Arrowmaster | because its not on the curse system |
| 01:17.26 | Arrowmaster | why are you using movefolders? |
| 01:18.53 | cralor | the lib is standalone. Torhal said it was best way for me i guess |
| 01:19.03 | Arrowmaster | no it is not, it uses libstub |
| 01:20.19 | Arrowmaster | and change svn://svn.wowinterface.com/Portfolio-318/trunk to svn://svn.wowinterface.com/Portfolio-318/trunk/Portfolio so you can remove those silly ignore's |
| 01:20.28 | cralor | I can't |
| 01:20.34 | cralor | because packager hates it |
| 01:20.39 | Arrowmaster | yes you can |
| 01:20.54 | cralor | when I did it gave another error |
| 01:20.58 | cralor | saying /trunk should be last |
| 01:21.50 | Arrowmaster | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131239 |
| 01:21.53 | Arrowmaster | should work |
| 01:23.53 | Arrowmaster | although you need to pull in libstub since its not included in that svn repo and the library requires it |
| 01:23.59 | cralor | Ok |
| 01:24.05 | cralor | I'll work on it after ICC |
| 01:24.19 | cralor | Same error |
| 01:24.23 | cralor | too many values to unpack |
| 01:24.42 | Arrowmaster | then something is wrong and youll have to ask ckknight |
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| 01:49.42 | Wobin | http://vimeo.com/8611471 |
| 01:49.48 | Wobin | I like Tim Ferris |
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| 02:00.07 | Kraps | what does "X has (a large number) of live timers, is that intended?" mean? |
| 02:00.38 | Lopeppeppy | Do you have any context for this sentence? |
| 02:01.22 | Wobin | crais at the fact that the password for WoW is case insensetive |
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| 02:01.48 | Wobin | how -hard- can it be to make the password checking case sensetive? |
| 02:01.55 | Wobin | grr |
| 02:02.01 | Wobin | sensitive(sp?) |
| 02:02.01 | batbot | Wobin, sensitive is correct. |
| 02:02.13 | Corrodias | it's harder to make it insensitive |
| 02:02.45 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: it comes up occasionally while playing wow |
| 02:02.47 | Wobin | honestly... why do they do that =( |
| 02:03.53 | Dagmar | I'll see your silly question and raise you "How hard can it be to turn of caps lock?" |
| 02:04.03 | Wobin | Dagmar, ? |
| 02:04.52 | Dagmar | # of idiots who can't disable capslock and called support > # of idiots whose passwords were successfully brute forced because of a slightly smaller keyspace |
| 02:05.05 | Dagmar | It's as simple as that |
| 02:06.27 | Dagmar | You can still type your password with a mix of uppercase and lowercase letters if it makes you feel better. :) |
| 02:08.01 | Dagmar | If they made it case-sensitive again, it would just mean a bunch of potheads calling CS to report they were hacked |
| 02:09.09 | Dagmar | sad as that sounds... |
| 02:09.17 | Polarina | Or detect caps lock and make it not work! |
| 02:10.58 | Dagmar | ...or just make the user take a simple IQ test to be considered certifiably responsible for their own behaviour on the internet, once per month. |
| 02:11.13 | Dagmar | Fall below the curve, and you get no internets for the rest of the month. |
| 02:13.21 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: He said he wanted it moved outside of the folder as a standalone lib. I did tell him he could embed it just like any other. |
| 02:15.12 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418634989&sid=1 |
| 02:15.37 | Kraps | "Your "friend" will be banned now that Blizzard knows who you... I mean, "your friend" is. " |
| 02:17.03 | Dagmar | rofl |
| 02:19.55 | Dagmar | That's hilarious |
| 02:20.17 | Dagmar | People are still stupid enough to buy accounts from sites selling pre-made toons? |
| 02:20.30 | Dagmar | I have to admit it's a sweet business model tho |
| 02:21.11 | Dagmar | Purchase and register account, level toon, sell toon, wait two weeks, call CS and say "Oh my this account was stolen by evil hax0rs". Rinse/repeat. |
| 02:21.44 | Torhal | I'd say, to be safe, you'd only get two sales per account that way. |
| 02:22.05 | Dagmar | Like the guys running that scam will care if the account gets banned or not |
| 02:22.16 | Torhal | True. |
| 02:22.21 | Dagmar | Thye're probably in Russia or China anyway |
| 02:22.30 | Torhal | But after the second "OH NOES" methinks Blizzard would seriously investigate it |
| 02:26.15 | Dagmar | That reminds me that I needed to order another authenticator |
| 02:27.28 | Arrowmaster | i would get one if i could get a plain blizzard or blizzcon one and not one with a game theme on it |
| 02:27.30 | Kraps | wow, a pally with 5700+ GS |
| 02:27.36 | cbreak | why another? |
| 02:27.47 | cbreak | you can use them on several accounts. And I think you can only one per account |
| 02:27.51 | cbreak | (not that I tried) |
| 02:28.02 | Dagmar | cbreak: Because I managed to lose mine |
| 02:28.13 | cbreak | sounds like trouble |
| 02:28.14 | Arrowmaster | but since my account has been expired since the 5th i dont think i have a need to get one right now |
| 02:28.18 | Dagmar | ...along with a work badge and a 1gb thumbdrive full of art and paperwork |
| 02:28.32 | cbreak | 1gb sticks are cheap |
| 02:28.35 | Dagmar | cbreak: Not really a problem since it was easy enough to have it taken off |
| 02:28.46 | cbreak | ... then what security does it offer? |
| 02:28.49 | Dagmar | The thing that pisses me off is that it had more than enough info on it for someone to contact me |
| 02:29.17 | Dagmar | cbreak: You have to know the secret question and the original CD key to have them taken off |
| 02:29.32 | Dagmar | Otherwise you have to have the authenticator *on you* so you can enter it's code twice |
| 02:29.33 | Arrowmaster | what secret question? |
| 02:29.35 | cbreak | hmm. Secret Question? |
| 02:29.42 | Arrowmaster | what original cd key? |
| 02:30.02 | cbreak | I guess I can get the original CD key from the original box I have somewhere around here |
| 02:30.02 | Dagmar | Looks like you'd get to buy an new account then |
| 02:30.05 | Arrowmaster | i know where my tbc and wrath keys are, in my collectors edition boxes, but i have no clue where my original is |
| 02:30.12 | Dagmar | I scrounged mine out of my email |
| 02:30.23 | Dagmar | the CS guy even told me when they sent it |
| 02:30.25 | Dagmar | Thank god |
| 02:30.36 | Dagmar | I'd have never looked that far back in my mail archives otherwise |
| 02:31.59 | Dagmar | God help someone if I get any hits on my credit record here in the next month |
| 02:32.20 | Dagmar | I had xps images of several months of paid utility bills on that thumbdrive |
| 02:34.46 | cbreak | I hope you had backups |
| 02:35.02 | Dagmar | I don't even need backups of that data |
| 02:35.02 | cbreak | and I hope you had encryption |
| 02:35.24 | Dagmar | If I see any shifty credit stuff pop up here, I'll just go burn someone out. |
| 02:35.25 | Dagmar | No problem. |
| 02:35.55 | Dagmar | The part of town I live in has a lot of illegals in it |
| 02:36.10 | Dagmar | WHo knows what kinds of crazy things these people do with their barbequeus |
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| 02:36.25 | Dagmar | ...and their tequila-soaked rags |
| 02:36.40 | cbreak | burn them? |
| 02:36.49 | cbreak | not everyone can be a good cook. |
| 02:36.54 | Dagmar | That depends on how quickly they manage to evacuate |
| 02:37.03 | ckknight | does this rag smell like chlorophorm, Dagmar? |
| 02:37.12 | Dagmar | No, it smells like ustice. |
| 02:37.18 | Dagmar | er justice. |
| 02:37.45 | RiZLAR | Can we actually access full quest completion status from server now? and if so, has anyone made a cool addon to make good use of it to aid completing Loremaster? |
| 02:38.55 | ckknight | we can, Fogger |
| 02:39.30 | Fogger | excellent! |
| 02:40.36 | Fogger | Seems Carbonite makes some use of it, not sure it has the facility to best help achieving Loremaster tho |
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| 02:51.46 | alestane | The built-in function can tell you which quests you've completed, but to know which ones you haven't you still need a list to compare to. |
| 02:57.03 | Kraps | GC getting testy http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/22418744853-no-more-tanking-for-you-in-lfd.html |
| 02:58.52 | Corrodias | what is warbringer, even? |
| 02:59.04 | Lopeppeppy | Some uber weapon? Or is it a prot warrior talent? |
| 02:59.10 | Dagmar | Some crazy chinese slang or something |
| 02:59.20 | Corrodias | obviously something not exactly integral to the game |
| 02:59.57 | Lopeppeppy | It's likely the warrior talent. |
| 03:00.11 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=57499 |
| 03:00.22 | Lopeppeppy | It does sound spiffy and cool. |
| 03:01.20 | cbreak | sounds OP |
| 03:01.29 | cbreak | in pvp that is... |
| 03:01.34 | Lopeppeppy | Must have been, if it got ze nerf bat. |
| 03:01.35 | Corrodias | sounds op overall |
| 03:01.45 | Corrodias | one talent point makes major changes to three abilities? oh yeah. |
| 03:02.17 | Dagmar | hah |
| 03:02.28 | Dagmar | okay someone must have messed up something with the gear requirement for HoR |
| 03:03.22 | Dagmar | Looking through the thread I see at least two people saying it won't let them queue to tank it, and there isn't a thing in there that would be an upgrade for them |
| 03:03.23 | alestane | I hear it's been turned up. |
| 03:03.30 | Dagmar | It's been turned wayyy up |
| 03:04.20 | Dagmar | Unless Martin Fury is now a required item, this dude should be able to get in http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Haomarush&cn=Gamexx&gn=The+Unsatisfied |
| 03:04.31 | Lopeppeppy | snuggles up to alestane. It's cold! |
| 03:04.59 | alestane | So we need to turn up the thermostat along with the gear requirements? |
| 03:05.07 | alestane | share the blankie. |
| 03:05.10 | alestane | share* |
| 03:05.13 | Dagmar | Maybe retune htem both |
| 03:05.13 | alestane | shares* |
| 03:05.58 | Dagmar | Looking over my guild leader's tanks gear, there's not really any upgrades he's going to be able to get short of doing some 10-mans |
| 03:07.34 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/page/2/# |
| 03:07.44 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/08/funny-pictures-on-the-cat/ , that is. |
| 03:09.38 | alestane | .... |
| 03:09.44 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/06/funny-pictures-war-against-clowns/ |
| 03:09.47 | alestane | .......right. |
| 03:10.05 | Lopeppeppy | No clowns after dark, you meanie! |
| 03:10.09 | Lopeppeppy | takes away the blankets. |
| 03:10.28 | alestane | ....weren't those my blankets in the first place? |
| 03:10.36 | Dagmar | alestane: Seriously, that orc is sporting a minimum ilevel of 245 |
| 03:10.50 | Dagmar | If he can't get in, can Arthas even queue to tank HHoR? |
| 03:10.56 | Lopeppeppy | Mine now, you were naughty. |
| 03:11.41 | alestane | That does seem adequate to tank HHoR, considering my pally did it in a mix of 200 and 219 (admittedly it was hairy and the rest of the run was much better geared). |
| 03:11.53 | Wobin | rofl http://sleeptalkinman.blogspot.com/2010/01/jan-8-2010.html |
| 03:12.25 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Be nice or I'll make you use a Snuggie. |
| 03:13.05 | alestane | Last one for the night: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/05/funny-pictures-i-regret-nothing-2/ |
| 03:14.17 | Lopeppeppy | No punish the Peppy with a snugglie! |
| 03:15.04 | alestane | So, share. I didn't give you any clowns anyway. |
| 03:15.20 | Lopeppeppy | that url said "clown" in it! |
| 03:21.48 | alestane | No clowns were harmed in the making of that picture. Or in fact used at all. |
| 03:21.52 | alestane | Just balloons |
| 03:22.44 | Lopeppeppy | bad word! |
| 03:23.18 | alestane | "Balloons" is a bad word? |
| 03:23.35 | Lopeppeppy | clowns is, after dark. |
| 03:23.58 | alestane | Okay, so we file "clowns" with "thunderstorms" on the "things not to do to Peppy after dark" list. |
| 03:25.01 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle snark* |
| 03:25.45 | alestane | I amuse, do i? |
| 03:27.19 | Lopeppeppy | I'm gonna go to bed now, yes. G' night ya'll! |
| 03:31.50 | A-KO | togc is shitty |
| 03:33.34 | Torhal | Fogger: If you want to get Loremaster, get EveryQuest. Best aid I've seen so far. |
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| 03:42.38 | A-KO | it's a shame the achievement isn't actually for getting every quest done in the game |
| 03:42.42 | A-KO | but more or less "a whole lot" |
| 03:42.47 | A-KO | there's still a TON of quests left I can do on my druid |
| 03:44.11 | Dagmar | I suppose then you'd rather have players showing up at Blizzard's offices with sharp and pointy things? |
| 03:48.52 | A-KO | what do you mean? |
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| 03:50.06 | Dagmar | You don't think that perhaps making an achievement that would require someone to do *every* quest might wind up with them doing a little triage... |
| 03:50.41 | Dagmar | ...and saving the "worst" ones for last--which means they'd be subjected to a lot of painful quests, one after the other. |
| 03:51.51 | kd3 | brr |
| 03:51.51 | Dagmar | You don't think that this sequence of events when applied to an already probbaly unstable gamer, won't result in some "exciting" consequences? |
| 03:51.55 | kd3 | c'mon >freezing weather |
| 03:55.21 | Dagmar | Yep. It's definitely cold--although the repeating "snowflakes" theme is interesting. |
| 03:55.28 | A-KO | god |
| 03:55.31 | A-KO | fucking tanks |
| 03:56.41 | Dagmar | Yeah it definitely messes with their ability to hit buttons |
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| 04:09.44 | Iriel | So Cirque du Soleil's "Ovo" was good, if you have a chance to see it, you should go. |
| 04:10.41 | kd3 | I just saw their horse one recently |
| 04:10.43 | kd3 | was amazing |
| 04:16.38 | Iriel | I didn't see that one when it was here, but others have given the same summary review as you just did |
| 04:16.52 | Iriel | Guess if it loops around again i'll have to get tickets |
| 04:18.30 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=71041 |
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| 04:28.11 | Kraps | A-KO: what was that about tanks? >:( |
| 04:34.47 | TC-Away | Shirik! |
| 04:37.23 | Iriel | Ok, this is awesome: http://vimeo.com/8628771 |
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| 04:39.41 | Shirik | hi Thunder_Child |
| 04:42.51 | alestane | That's the one thing we regret a bit about our Vegas trip a few years ago. We didn't take the chance to see a Cirque show. |
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| 04:46.46 | Iriel | I wanted to see O this time we were there but they had the audacity to be closed the weekend we were tehre |
| 04:47.43 | alestane | We went with friends, and they didn't have much interest, and we weren't quite decisive enough to go on our own. |
| 04:48.10 | alestane | Someone check me real quick...what's the default type in C of the literal 1.0? |
| 04:48.41 | alestane | I seem to remember one wants to be mindful of one's literals to avoid having the compiler insert needless casts. |
| 04:48.52 | Arrowmaster | last time i was in vegas they wouldnt even let me into the bellagio |
| 04:49.04 | Iriel | double |
| 04:49.09 | Dagmar | Clothes help |
| 04:49.24 | Iriel | suffix with an 'f' if you want a float |
| 04:49.28 | alestane | So, if I'm assigning to a float I should assign 1.0f. |
| 04:49.47 | ZorbaTHut | note that 1.f is also valid |
| 04:49.56 | Dagmar | ...although hideous. |
| 04:50.06 | ZorbaTHut | I prefer it, personally |
| 04:50.11 | ZorbaTHut | the 0 is just visual noise |
| 04:50.15 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: you are a freak |
| 04:50.19 | batrick | hahaha |
| 04:50.22 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, never argued :) |
| 04:50.25 | Shirik | tbh, 1f should be valid |
| 04:50.25 | Dagmar | So is the decimal place, in that respect. |
| 04:50.29 | Shirik | I don't understand why it's not |
| 04:50.35 | alestane | Ease with this point (or lack of ease) is one of the reasons I am not now working at Blizzard. |
| 04:50.45 | ZorbaTHut | yes, I'd prefer 1f |
| 04:50.48 | ZorbaTHut | but it doesn't work, so |
| 04:51.47 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i was still a minor at the time, they dont even let minors into the hotel/casino unless you are staying at the hotel |
| 04:51.54 | Dagmar | Ahhh |
| 04:52.17 | Arrowmaster | ive been hassled by security at almost every casino on the strip though |
| 04:52.21 | batrick | That's news to me, and I was a local. |
| 04:52.32 | Dagmar | I was forbidden from entering Ra once. |
| 04:52.33 | batrick | That might just be a rule on the strip. |
| 04:52.49 | Dagmar | I was in violation of practically every aspect of their dress code |
| 04:53.15 | Dagmar | I was like, "Wait... I'm a raver, and I'm not allowed in here?" |
| 05:02.50 | Corrodias | what is Ra? |
| 05:02.59 | Dagmar | It's the nightclub in the Luxor hotel |
| 05:03.19 | Dagmar | They had Carl Cox DJ'ing the next year when I went back |
| 05:03.36 | Dagmar | Technically, I was entirely in compliance with the dress code then. |
| 05:03.51 | Dagmar | Nevermind that my "dress pants" were 6% latex |
| 05:03.56 | Dagmar | er spandex |
| 05:04.11 | Dagmar | I made some ginos anggggrrrey |
| 05:04.42 | Dagmar | They don't like it when their girls spend their time watching the guy who can dance as opposed to the klutz standing in front of them |
| 05:05.08 | Dagmar | Their bouncers are smart too. I got put in one of the cages. :) |
| 05:05.17 | Dagmar | ...not to keep me locked up, mind you. |
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| 05:44.12 | Shirik | omg, I didn't know there was a trogdor game |
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| 05:49.17 | kd3 | ~failrik |
| 05:49.18 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 05:49.34 | kd3 | it's hilarious |
| 05:49.54 | kd3 | and it's also 20f outside |
| 05:49.58 | kd3 | looks for another layer |
| 05:52.08 | Arrowmaster | only 20F? |
| 05:52.12 | Arrowmaster | ~weather kday |
| 05:53.49 | Arrowmaster | how can it be misting at 5F? |
| 05:55.02 | Torhal | Magic. |
| 05:55.29 | Shirik | Colleague Online Services will experience intermittent interruptions in connectivity - This includes all ERAU online services that rely on Colleague such as Web Advisor, Web Grading, Web Registration, and the Datatel Interface. |
| 05:55.33 | Shirik | IT IS SO WORTHLESS |
| 05:55.33 | kd3 | see, you're up north. I, on the other hand, live in the sunbelt. it's not supposed to get this cold |
| 05:55.36 | kd3 | ~weather kvpc |
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| 05:56.56 | kd3 | we're also, finally, going to be above freezing for the first time in days come monday |
| 05:56.59 | kd3 | c'mon monday |
| 05:58.54 | kd3 | http://wxug.com/cgi-bin/histGraphAll?day=3&year=2010&month=1&ID=KVPC&type=2&width=675 |
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| 06:14.36 | Shirik | "MSN recommends you upgrade to Internet Explorer 8!" |
| 06:14.37 | ZorbaTHut | things that entertain me: people who gloat about making 10% off my enchanting mats that I disenchanted with a 100% profit margin |
| 06:14.39 | ZorbaTHut | like, yes, okay |
| 06:14.40 | Shirik | I'm on Windows 7 you jackasses |
| 06:14.40 | ZorbaTHut | have fun |
| 06:16.58 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, does auctioneer have an option for "total posted value of stuff on the AH" anywhere? |
| 06:18.05 | Shirik | this is cute :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christi_Sanders |
| 06:35.39 | Cide | who is this woman?! |
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| 06:41.41 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: it's even more amusing if you look at the users page |
| 06:44.19 | Shirik | what user page? |
| 06:44.21 | Shirik | there isn't one |
| 06:47.34 | Shirik | had a $92 bottle of wine today |
| 06:48.28 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: of the person who makred it for deleltion |
| 06:48.29 | Shirik | well, not the entire bottle |
| 06:48.30 | Shirik | but some of it |
| 06:48.34 | Thunder_Child | deletion* |
| 06:48.41 | Shirik | rofl |
| 06:48.42 | Shirik | wtf |
| 06:48.45 | Thunder_Child | marked* |
| 06:48.58 | Thunder_Child | exactly |
| 06:49.09 | Thunder_Child | "I like Porn and BDSM" |
| 06:49.18 | Arrowmaster | hot |
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| 06:54.32 | sag_ich_nicht | I know this is a retarded question but I can't remember any other way but doing it via a local variable: for a function that returns multiple values, what's the most compressed way (in terms of amount of code used) to get only e.g. the 3rd value, and perform a calculation with it and immediately return the results to chat |
| 06:54.56 | Arrowmaster | select(3, ...) |
| 06:55.02 | sag_ich_nicht | ah |
| 06:55.03 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks :D |
| 06:55.06 | batrick | (select(3, ...)) ** |
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| 06:55.33 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks to you batrick too :) |
| 06:55.47 | batrick | yw |
| 06:57.04 | Shirik | I will kill you all |
| 06:57.09 | sag_ich_nicht | no. |
| 06:57.19 | Shirik | you should use a local variable |
| 06:57.25 | sag_ich_nicht | no, I shouldn't. |
| 06:57.32 | sag_ich_nicht | because then it won't fit in my macro. |
| 06:57.36 | sag_ich_nicht | and I am lazy and have too much ram. |
| 06:57.56 | Shirik | lua> #("_,_,c=...;") |
| 06:57.57 | lua_bot | Shirik: 10 |
| 06:57.59 | sag_ich_nicht | I specifically asked for the most compressed way Shirik, otherwise I would have used a local variable :P |
| 06:58.09 | Shirik | lua> #("select(3,...)") |
| 06:58.09 | lua_bot | Shirik: 13 |
| 06:58.26 | sag_ich_nicht | compare: |
| 06:59.28 | Shirik | you know what would be a great optimization to add to Lua? select(c, ...) optimizes away the call to select (but this requires the assumption that select will never change) |
| 06:59.46 | sag_ich_nicht | lua> #("_,a,_,_,_=...;") |
| 06:59.46 | lua_bot | sag_ich_nicht: 14 |
| 07:00.08 | Shirik | why would you do that if you're not going to use the last 3? |
| 07:00.13 | sag_ich_nicht | oh I see :D |
| 07:00.22 | sag_ich_nicht | okay, you win :P |
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| 07:12.18 | Dagmar | Shirik: Wait... Optimize how? |
| 07:12.43 | Shirik | A constant select call can be optimized into a single opcode |
| 07:13.44 | sag_ich_nicht | _, a = UnitArmor("player"); print(a * 3); |
| 07:13.51 | sag_ich_nicht | can this be compressed any further? :D |
| 07:14.05 | Dagmar | Oh! |
| 07:14.12 | sag_ich_nicht | (just using an example calculation, the real one is gonna be more complex :P) |
| 07:14.15 | Dagmar | select() does not mean the same thing in perl |
| 07:14.16 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 07:15.19 | Dagmar | I was completely thrown off thinking it would be the same as the c/perl/python(probably) call |
| 07:15.37 | sag_ich_nicht | pokes Shirik for ideas |
| 07:16.11 | Shirik | get rid of the spaces |
| 07:16.23 | Shirik | also, UnitArmor"player" |
| 07:16.27 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Bz3Bp9Bpo&feature=player_embedded |
| 07:16.32 | Wobin | I'm stunned =P |
| 07:16.45 | Shirik | and neither semicolon is necessary |
| 07:17.02 | Shirik | lua> loadstring[[_,a=UnitArmor"player"print(a*3)]] |
| 07:17.02 | lua_bot | Shirik: function: 0x93ded18 |
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| 07:18.20 | sag_ich_nicht | okay, what is that last part supposed to tell me Shirik? :P |
| 07:19.31 | Shirik | that's supposed to tell you it's valid code |
| 07:19.36 | Shirik | so that is a correct compression |
| 07:19.55 | Shirik | if it wasn't valid, loadstring would be pissy |
| 07:20.02 | Shirik | lua> loadstring[[lawjfeoawjifa]] |
| 07:20.03 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil, [string "lawjfeoawjifa"]:1: '=' expected near '<eof>' |
| 07:20.46 | sag_ich_nicht | ah I see |
| 07:20.55 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks |
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| 07:25.30 | sag_ich_nicht | so Shiibot |
| 07:25.31 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 07:25.33 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik |
| 07:25.39 | sag_ich_nicht | what happened to conspiracy ui :P |
| 07:25.53 | Shirik | life |
| 07:26.14 | sag_ich_nicht | figures |
| 07:26.22 | sag_ich_nicht | at least murder #conspiracy then :P |
| 07:26.32 | Shirik | why :) |
| 07:26.37 | Shirik | it could still be done |
| 07:26.41 | sag_ich_nicht | *sigh* |
| 07:27.41 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 07:27.56 | sag_ich_nicht | I'll stop playing WoW |
| 07:28.10 | sag_ich_nicht | no point now that HKO has been released |
| 07:29.32 | Wobin | Hello Kitty Online is functional? |
| 07:29.50 | sag_ich_nicht | http://hko.aeriagames.com/ |
| 07:30.09 | Wobin | crazy |
| 07:33.08 | Nechckn | I may actually play Pochacco! |
| 07:33.36 | Nechckn | He was semi-retired, but is in HKO.. lol.. decisions, decisions... |
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| 07:42.12 | Nechckn | BTW... is LW still decent for Druids, or should I just keep skinning/herb and buy other goodies? |
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| 07:53.47 | sag_ich_nicht | Nechckn become an engineer. |
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| 07:59.40 | Shirik | lol Nechckn engineer |
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| 08:22.15 | batrick | Wikipedia has once again claimed hours of my free time. |
| 08:22.19 | batrick | damn them! |
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| 08:30.34 | Shirik | join us, batrick |
| 08:30.41 | Shirik | You will be assimilated |
| 08:31.18 | Shirik | ok night |
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| 09:48.04 | Fisker | jnwhiteh this is madness |
| 09:48.20 | jnwhiteh | madness i tell you |
| 09:48.23 | jnwhiteh | what? |
| 09:49.07 | Fisker | DHL says the tracking number no longer exists |
| 09:49.30 | zenzelezz | DHL may have handed it off to a local delivery agency |
| 09:49.34 | zenzelezz | they do sometimes around here |
| 09:49.39 | Fisker | on a sunday? |
| 09:49.49 | zenzelezz | wouldn't surprise me |
| 09:50.02 | Fisker | traveled fast then :P |
| 09:57.44 | Gnarfoz | ~seen syzgyn |
| 09:57.45 | purl | syzgyn <n=ghost429@75.138.80.103> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 197d 5h 4m 14s ago, saying: 'It's rough though'. |
| 09:57.50 | Gnarfoz | mehhh |
| 09:57.52 | jnwhiteh | well its not coming to my hous |
| 09:57.54 | jnwhiteh | eits going to college |
| 09:58.00 | jnwhiteh | which is a good thing, because someone is always there to receive the package |
| 09:58.05 | jnwhiteh | but i wont know when it gets in =) |
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| 10:19.51 | Wobin | ugh |
| 10:31.23 | Fisker | http://twitter.com/wowleak <-that is hilarious |
| 10:32.25 | Adys | if by hilarious you mean terrible |
| 10:35.45 | Wobin | wow, dear_gnome is a great lj comm |
| 10:35.50 | Fisker | hilariously terrible Adys |
| 10:36.05 | Adys | i dunno i stopped finding photoshop funny 4 years ago |
| 10:37.14 | Fisker | but he probably believes it |
| 10:37.17 | Fisker | which is funny :( |
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| 10:46.57 | industrial | http://www.wowwiki.com/Elemental_Precision_(shaman_talent) |
| 10:47.04 | industrial | Does this reflect on the character screen |
| 10:47.12 | industrial | erm, paper doll frame / etc |
| 10:48.49 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 10:49.05 | Adys | Python: "Why did you import this? You are not using it." |
| 10:49.11 | Adys | Java: "Why are you not using this? You imported it." |
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| 10:52.18 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 10:52.21 | jnwhiteh | rank 9 of serpent sting |
| 10:52.29 | industrial | NightHawkTheSane: so I need 14% hit to cap it myself given I dont have a shadowpriest for Misery not Boomkin for Improved Faerie Fire ? |
| 10:52.30 | jnwhiteh | and rank 2 of steady shot. |
| 10:52.39 | industrial | jnwhiteh: what's with them |
| 10:52.45 | jnwhiteh | someone's using them |
| 10:52.47 | jnwhiteh | in heroic gundrak |
| 10:53.00 | industrial | >_O |
| 10:53.12 | NightHawkTheSane | industrial: correct. |
| 10:53.21 | Fisker | probably a dual-spec issue jnwhiteh |
| 10:53.42 | NightHawkTheSane | for the longest time i was using rank 1 of wild growth. >.> |
| 10:53.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i had switched my bear spec to tree, and forgot to train up all the way |
| 10:54.02 | jnwhiteh | still |
| 10:54.40 | Fisker | jnwhiteh if you dual-spec it doesn't update skills on the other spec |
| 10:55.10 | jnwhiteh | i know |
| 10:55.49 | NightHawkTheSane | or, its possible he's an idiot. *shrug* :P |
| 10:58.09 | Fisker | fucking retards |
| 10:58.24 | Fisker | getting our asses kicked because 2 people are just afking during jousting |
| 11:00.04 | jnwhiteh | rankwatch |
| 11:00.08 | jnwhiteh | has to be one of the best addons every written |
| 11:00.30 | Fisker | naw! |
| 11:00.44 | Adys | no jnwhiteh |
| 11:00.46 | Adys | npcscan is |
| 11:01.39 | jnwhiteh | dunno |
| 11:01.39 | jnwhiteh | =) |
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| 11:11.46 | Fisker | i finally got my damn necklace jnwhiteh |
| 11:11.55 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 11:12.34 | zenzelezz | pearl? |
| 11:12.41 | Fisker | :E? |
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| 11:48.56 | Gnarfoz | ~seen tekkub |
| 11:48.57 | purl | tekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 1h 36m 10s ago, saying: 'yup'. |
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| 11:50.14 | Fisker | damnit |
| 11:50.23 | Fisker | some retard pala needed on needle-encrusted scorpion |
| 11:53.49 | Bruners | Fisker: and you wanted it for fiskerdin ? |
| 11:54.21 | Cide | he was talking about himself |
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| 11:57.20 | Fisker | no Bruners |
| 11:57.22 | Fisker | i have a hunter |
| 11:57.34 | Fisker | btw i lost roll to another paladin a few weeks ago on my rogue |
| 11:58.28 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=44579 <-though he had that |
| 11:58.34 | Fisker | but still |
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| 12:41.15 | Zasurus | join #curse |
| 12:41.41 | Zasurus | lol missing something off that last statement... |
| 12:41.59 | Zasurus | Is there a Curse.com channel anyone knows about? |
| 12:42.15 | nevcairiel | #curseforge is probably your best bet |
| 12:42.18 | nevcairiel | depending on what you need |
| 12:42.43 | Zasurus | Thats perfect! :-) Thanks |
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| 12:44.13 | augustl | what is the actual gear requirement for heroics in 3.3? |
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| 12:44.43 | Adys | the same as the one in heroics for 3.2 and 3.1 |
| 12:45.38 | augustl | weren't they introduced in 3.3? |
| 12:45.59 | augustl | regardless, is there a list somewhere? :) |
| 12:47.05 | Adys | for the three 3.3 heroics |
| 12:47.15 | Adys | well its not really high but full epic 226+ is way enough |
| 12:47.43 | Adys | as in, way enough to steam through it with a bad group |
| 12:50.45 | augustl | I have a ilvl 187 head on my priest |
| 12:50.56 | augustl | was queued for the new 3.3 heroics in icc :) |
| 12:51.08 | augustl | a list of actual requirements would have rocked :) |
| 12:51.10 | augustl | perhaps nobody knows? |
| 12:51.27 | Adys | it doesnt really matter |
| 12:52.32 | augustl | what doesn't really matter? |
| 12:53.09 | Adys | your gear |
| 12:53.10 | augustl | you're saying that the only tactic one can apply to not meeting the requirements, is doing normal modes, so knowing the actual requirement doesn't really help? ;0 |
| 12:53.11 | Adys | if you know how to play |
| 12:53.12 | augustl | ;)* |
| 12:53.33 | zenzelezz | you're leaving out a bit of info here |
| 12:53.38 | augustl | well, a friend of mine has a recently dinged 80 I'd like to do some heroics with |
| 12:53.41 | zenzelezz | are you asking the requirements for the LFD tool? |
| 12:53.46 | augustl | zenzelezz: ah, right |
| 12:53.51 | augustl | that's what I'm talking about, indeed |
| 12:54.11 | augustl | should have groked from Adys' first question ;) |
| 12:54.46 | zenzelezz | I don't know exact requirements either, but I recall they upped the requirements a little for HoR |
| 12:55.11 | Adys | ahh |
| 12:55.26 | augustl | HoR is the last 5 man in ICC, right? |
| 12:55.46 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 12:55.53 | Adys | i forgot the lfd tool even has gearcheck |
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| 12:57.16 | augustl | me too =P |
| 12:57.34 | augustl | just noticed it 10 minutes ago when I weren't able to queue for heroics with my recently dinged friend in the party |
| 12:59.28 | Kalroth | lfd always tells me "ur geerscore is to low gtfo" |
| 12:59.37 | Adys | cuz it is |
| 12:59.54 | Kalroth | But I just wanted to join Nexus normal on my level 80!! |
| 12:59.57 | Adys | also are random dungeons usually decent? |
| 13:00.09 | Adys | or is it full of bad, full of wipes |
| 13:00.25 | Kalroth | HoR in random is usually bad |
| 13:00.30 | Kalroth | All others should be fine though |
| 13:00.37 | Adys | mmcool |
| 13:00.41 | nevcairiel | was fine for me, mostly |
| 13:00.52 | nevcairiel | yeah HoR is one of the worse dungeons in pugs |
| 13:01.40 | augustl | seems like there isn't a list |
| 13:01.48 | augustl | blizz hasn't released one at least, so it'd prolly have to be reverse engineered >< |
| 13:01.50 | augustl | nothing on google |
| 13:02.04 | Corrodias | why do they leave so much up to player discovery? |
| 13:02.43 | Corrodias | and it's not like the information won't become available, it's just that a number of very dedicated people have to put in a lot of time and effort to figure things out, tools have to be distributed to gather data and compile it into useful forms, etc |
| 13:02.52 | Adys | augustl: when you queue for a dungeon, does it instantly tell you "Fuck off", or does it wait for the server? |
| 13:03.04 | nevcairiel | it doesnt let you queue |
| 13:03.06 | nevcairiel | afaik |
| 13:03.10 | augustl | Adys: ah! |
| 13:03.14 | Adys | yes, but does it have to wait for data from the server |
| 13:03.16 | augustl | that way we'd know if the data is on the client :) |
| 13:03.34 | nevcairiel | the UI already has those dungeons locked |
| 13:03.35 | augustl | I'm in a dungeon right now |
| 13:03.39 | nevcairiel | but no idea if its synced |
| 13:03.44 | nevcairiel | or client side |
| 13:03.56 | Adys | LFGDungeonExpansion.dbc |
| 13:03.56 | Adys | LFGDungeonGroup.dbc |
| 13:03.56 | Adys | LFGDungeons.dbc |
| 13:04.05 | Adys | browses |
| 13:04.12 | augustl | hugs Adys |
| 13:04.18 | nevcairiel | they did adjust the values in a hot fix |
| 13:04.23 | nevcairiel | so it might get it from the server |
| 13:04.27 | augustl | troo |
| 13:04.33 | Adys | doesnt mean much |
| 13:07.31 | Adys | i see level requirements |
| 13:07.58 | Adys | what does it check, Ilvl? |
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| 13:10.18 | nevcairiel | i guess its ilvl |
| 13:11.00 | Audible | ' |
| 13:11.29 | Adys | i see a bunch of something that resembles an ilvl but it doesnt make sense |
| 13:11.38 | augustl | it seems to be some kind of overall score |
| 13:11.47 | augustl | my priest has a few ilevel 200+ epics, and a ilevel 187 head |
| 13:11.52 | Adys | also its in LFGDungeonExpansion |
| 13:11.54 | augustl | I was able to join PoS fo rexample |
| 13:11.58 | augustl | for example* |
| 13:12.27 | augustl | could also be a median - most of my items are over 200 |
| 13:12.43 | Adys | it should be an average |
| 13:12.55 | Adys | gimme a dungeon that has a gear check |
| 13:13.00 | augustl | at least it's not a cap on all your items - since my 187 blue got through |
| 13:13.02 | nevcairiel | all have |
| 13:13.04 | augustl | all heroics |
| 13:13.09 | zenzelezz | HoR has the harshest |
| 13:13.12 | Adys | even prebc ones? |
| 13:13.14 | Adys | er |
| 13:13.15 | Adys | pre wlk |
| 13:13.20 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 13:13.20 | augustl | hmm, probably not |
| 13:13.25 | nevcairiel | wlk heroics all have |
| 13:13.29 | nevcairiel | cant enter them in pure greens |
| 13:13.49 | nevcairiel | (through the system) |
| 13:13.56 | augustl | is it the items you are wearing, or items you have acquired? |
| 13:14.05 | nevcairiel | wearing probably |
| 13:14.11 | nevcairiel | everything else would be rather weird |
| 13:14.18 | Adys | Maraudon - Pristine Waters |
| 13:14.18 | augustl | could test by being nekkid and wearing one item at a time |
| 13:14.19 | Adys | lol |
| 13:14.56 | Adys | lua> 226*18 |
| 13:14.57 | lua_bot | Adys: 4068 |
| 13:15.08 | Adys | lua> 226*15 |
| 13:15.09 | lua_bot | Adys: 3390 |
| 13:15.22 | Adys | sorry it looks like its serverside |
| 13:15.33 | augustl | "Additional instances cannot be launched, please try again later." |
| 13:15.39 | augustl | nobody in the party are able to port to the instance |
| 13:16.00 | Mikk | keep trying to teleport |
| 13:16.03 | Mikk | same as jumping in through the portal |
| 13:16.05 | augustl | works now |
| 13:16.39 | augustl | lol, they should deploy to ec2. Ppl entering an instance? Boot up an image! |
| 13:16.41 | Mikk | on a sidenote, the function to portal into the instance is callable from lua.. wtb addon that retries. |
| 13:16.54 | augustl | it's not protected? :O |
| 13:16.56 | Mikk | nop |
| 13:17.05 | zenzelezz | Mikk: create one, name it "Stuck in a loop" |
| 13:17.40 | Mikk | well you'd obviously want a small timer in between so you can mash a cancel button :P |
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| 13:18.19 | Fisker | man |
| 13:18.20 | Mikk | preferably random 3-6 seconds to distribute the retries evenly between your group members! |
| 13:18.23 | Fisker | i should almost do a faction change |
| 13:18.26 | Fisker | so i can get all fp's |
| 13:18.39 | ScytheBlade1 | whoo sleep studies suck |
| 13:18.39 | Mikk | erm it's not like you get to keep your old ones fiskerknobb |
| 13:18.51 | Mikk | ScytheBlade1: performing them or having them performed on you? |
| 13:18.51 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: sleep studies? |
| 13:19.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd assume both, but the latter |
| 13:19.16 | augustl | Fisker: =D |
| 13:19.39 | Mikk | night at the hospital with uncomfortable things hooked up to you? |
| 13:20.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Mikk: 20+ of them, yes |
| 13:20.04 | Mikk | oh joy |
| 13:20.19 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polysomnography |
| 13:20.54 | zenzelezz | I take it you have some sort of sleep disorder then? |
| 13:21.20 | ScytheBlade1 | disorder? not that I know of, at least yet |
| 13:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I just don't sleep well |
| 13:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | at all |
| 13:21.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ever |
| 13:21.38 | zenzelezz | sounds like a disorder to me, but I'm no doctor |
| 13:22.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I had one previously, but it gave them nothing concrete |
| 13:22.26 | ScytheBlade1 | so I had another today |
| 13:22.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I suspect the same |
| 13:23.30 | zenzelezz | hope they find out |
| 13:24.00 | zenzelezz | coworker of mine has something sort of the reverse, some foods makes him utterly sleepy, but they so far haven't been able to diagnose it completely |
| 13:24.02 | ScytheBlade1 | me too! |
| 13:24.42 | Mikk | try being chronically sleepy from not sleeping well and then eating heavy foods that make your body shift its energy expenditure to digesting the food |
| 13:24.44 | Mikk | -> zzzzz |
| 13:25.04 | zenzelezz | sounds unpleasant |
| 13:25.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 13:25.07 | ScytheBlade1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pediatric_polysomnogram.jpg |
| 13:25.10 | ScytheBlade1 | that is a VERY fitting image |
| 13:25.17 | Mikk | zenzelezz: just a guess from my side |
| 13:25.28 | Mikk | not saying i have it |
| 13:25.28 | zenzelezz | my coworker reacts among other things to flour (apart from in very small amounts) |
| 13:27.23 | Mikk | interesting |
| 13:28.00 | olafski | I have that too |
| 13:28.06 | olafski | basically any dish with codeine in it will make me very sleepy |
| 13:28.46 | ScytheBlade1 | yes well.. it would |
| 13:28.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 13:29.06 | Mikk | haha |
| 13:29.06 | nevcairiel | you eat dishes with codeine in them? |
| 13:29.19 | nevcairiel | well yeah, thats to be expected :P |
| 13:30.51 | olafski | ,) |
| 13:31.50 | Wobin | flour? celiac? |
| 13:32.32 | zenzelezz | not regular gluten allergy, but it could be similar |
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| 13:36.20 | frasav | ciao! |
| 13:36.23 | frasav | list! |
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| 14:10.09 | Adys | !api getdungon |
| 14:10.09 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'getdungon'. |
| 14:10.11 | Adys | !api getdungeon |
| 14:10.12 | lua_bot | GetDungeonDifficulty: Returns the 5 player selected dungeon difficulty (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetDungeonDifficulty) |
| 14:10.17 | Adys | !api getlfg |
| 14:10.18 | lua_bot | Found 20 possible matches for 'getlfg'. Please be more specific |
| 14:10.27 | Adys | fu :( |
| 14:10.41 | Adys | jnwhiteh: cant you make it /msg me the search urlat least |
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| 14:25.03 | Mikk | or just say the url instead of "please be more specific" |
| 14:28.05 | Kraps | morning |
| 14:35.19 | Adys | Mikk: yeah |
| 14:35.24 | Adys | morning Kraps |
| 14:36.19 | Adys | !api GetQu |
| 14:36.20 | lua_bot | Found 44 possible matches for 'GetQu'. Please be more specific |
| 14:43.30 | Kraps | going through your mothers high school yearbook is interesting |
| 14:43.50 | Lopeppeppy | And scary. |
| 14:44.08 | Kraps | its not bad |
| 14:44.33 | Kraps | big hair was big back then |
| 14:44.43 | Kraps | cwutididthar |
| 14:53.11 | Mikk | kraps: young pup? =P |
| 14:53.21 | Kraps | eh? |
| 14:54.00 | Mikk | or hmmm are we talking 60s big hair mebbe |
| 14:54.18 | Kraps | early 70's |
| 14:54.22 | Mikk | nodnod |
| 14:54.30 | Mikk | cause it did make a fearsome comeback in the late 80s too :P |
| 14:54.32 | Kraps | not so big but its there |
| 15:00.36 | Torhal | I ARE BIG HAIR. |
| 15:00.45 | Torhal | RAWR, |
| 15:14.43 | Lopeppeppy | I should start my own advice column, Dear Peppy. |
| 15:15.47 | zenzelezz | sounds good |
| 15:16.00 | zenzelezz | peppylicious |
| 15:17.03 | Lopeppeppy | With twizzlers for afterglow. |
| 15:17.20 | nightcracker | supercalifrigiousmalipeppydocious |
| 15:19.30 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 15:19.32 | Fisker | where you at? |
| 15:19.46 | Lopeppeppy | On my couch. |
| 15:20.06 | zenzelezz | make room |
| 15:20.07 | Fisker | brrrs outside Lopeppeppy's couch |
| 15:20.35 | Lopeppeppy | Not me you have to budge over, it's the cat with stitches, zenzelezz. She has 2/3 of the couch to herself. |
| 15:20.40 | Thunder_Child | how can she make room, seems like the cats take up most of it |
| 15:20.49 | Thunder_Child | well...there we go then |
| 15:22.00 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: no worries, you can sit on my lap |
| 15:22.52 | Lopeppeppy | I am not a lap fox. |
| 15:23.06 | Adys | [2. Trade] [Scoresby]: LFG [Flame Leviathan Must Die!] 4400 DPS |
| 15:23.16 | Kraps | loooooooooooool Adys |
| 15:23.21 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: then the cat can |
| 15:26.16 | Fisker | atleast you know who NOT to invite |
| 15:29.51 | Pneumatus | Adys: they should be asking for 5k GS also |
| 15:29.56 | Pneumatus | they are doing it wrong |
| 15:30.18 | Adys | for once GS is half useful |
| 15:30.44 | Pneumatus | its 100% useful for that single fight |
| 15:31.04 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 15:31.06 | Pneumatus | its just the boss is so rediculously easy with no towers you can 2man it |
| 15:31.07 | Adys | its still nothing to do with skill :P |
| 15:35.47 | Kraps | what do you guys think about mandatory authenticators? |
| 15:36.30 | zenzelezz | I don't mind. Would mean they'd (almost) have to make them free |
| 15:36.42 | A-KO | nothing wrong with it IMO |
| 15:37.16 | Kraps | <---- (tends to lose things) |
| 15:38.08 | A-KO | keep it at your desk |
| 15:38.14 | A-KO | in my case, it's on my phone |
| 15:38.31 | A-KO | but if you keep your original WoW CD key (the one used to make the account to begin with), it's easy to unlock the account. |
| 15:38.37 | Lopeppeppy | If. |
| 15:38.55 | Kraps | i bought wow online from blizz |
| 15:38.58 | Lopeppeppy | Big big if. I'm not sure if I have my original disks or not, the ex-husband may have wound up with them. |
| 15:39.28 | A-KO | You know how many poeple I see all of the time who get their accounts hacked/compromised? It's a security mechanism that should be in place, especially when it comes to MMO games or Steam. |
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| 15:40.07 | Kalroth | wat |
| 15:40.19 | Adys_ | !api quit |
| 15:40.19 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'quit': ForceQuit, Quit, PLAYER_QUITING |
| 15:40.23 | jnwhiteh | Adys: There's isn't a 'search URL'. |
| 15:40.25 | jnwhiteh | so no. |
| 15:40.43 | Adys_ | jnwhiteh: cant you link to google at least :P |
| 15:40.48 | jnwhiteh | sure... |
| 15:40.59 | Adys_ | its better than nothing |
| 15:41.23 | Adys_ | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api also whats wrong with CameraOrSelectOrMoveStop ? |
| 15:41.27 | Adys_ | apart from the shitty api name. |
| 15:41.36 | jnwhiteh | what do you mean? |
| 15:41.39 | jnwhiteh | 'whats wrong'? |
| 15:41.49 | Adys_ | Ends action initiated by [[docs/api/CameraOrSelectOrMoveStart|`CameraOrSelectOrMoveStart`]]protected |
| 15:41.56 | jnwhiteh | markup |
| 15:41.59 | jnwhiteh | nothing 'wrong' |
| 15:42.08 | Adys_ | yeah but thats on the text |
| 15:42.11 | jnwhiteh | so?> |
| 15:42.23 | Adys_ | on the listing |
| 15:42.26 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 15:42.29 | jnwhiteh | so? |
| 15:42.31 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh it started working again! no update though :( |
| 15:42.38 | Adys_ | its.. ugly? |
| 15:42.42 | jnwhiteh | i care? |
| 15:42.45 | jnwhiteh | (hint, i don't =) |
| 15:42.49 | Adys_ | i dunno |
| 15:42.49 | Kalroth | Returns the [[docs/api_types#inventoryID|`inventoryID`]] corresponding to a given [[docs/api_types#containerID|`containerID`]] |
| 15:42.52 | jnwhiteh | i'll 'fix' it. |
| 15:43.22 | Kalroth | curse wiki markup language |
| 15:43.34 | jnwhiteh | its not 'wiki' markup language |
| 15:43.42 | jnwhiteh | its markdown, which has nothing to do with wikis =) |
| 15:43.47 | Kalroth | .. |
| 15:43.53 | Adys_ | its mediawiki-like markup |
| 15:44.05 | Adys_ | also, what's more efficient/saner? |
| 15:44.06 | Adys_ | local link = "|cff4e96f7|Htalent:" .. id .. ":-1|h[" .. name .. "]|h|r" |
| 15:44.08 | Adys_ | or |
| 15:44.27 | Adys_ | local link = ("|cff4e96f7|Htalent:%s:-1|h[%s]|h|r"):format(id, name) |
| 15:44.34 | jnwhiteh | neither |
| 15:44.43 | jnwhiteh | string.format directly is the easiest to read |
| 15:44.52 | Adys_ | kay |
| 15:44.58 | jnwhiteh | and if they're all strings they are roughly equivalent. |
| 15:45.26 | Adys_ | er |
| 15:45.29 | Adys_ | id is an int actually |
| 15:45.30 | jnwhiteh | I can't run markdown on that output |
| 15:45.32 | jnwhiteh | so I'm not going to |
| 15:45.38 | jnwhiteh | then string.format is better |
| 15:45.55 | Adys_ | k its more readable anyway |
| 15:47.18 | jnwhiteh | I dont have the time or effort right now to change either of those |
| 15:47.20 | jnwhiteh | so I'm not going to |
| 15:47.30 | jnwhiteh | I don't think its tough opening wowprogrammign.com and typing in your search results |
| 15:47.49 | jnwhiteh | and i dont feel like stripping the markout output of the starting and ending <p>, and any other shit it throws in there. |
| 15:47.58 | jnwhiteh | I could un-url the markup, but again |
| 15:48.04 | jnwhiteh | i'll get to it at some point |
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| 15:56.54 | jnwhiteh | interesting |
| 15:57.01 | jnwhiteh | authenticator can take more numbers that it gives you |
| 15:57.09 | jnwhiteh | i.e. 1234567 works |
| 15:57.15 | jnwhiteh | even tho its a 6 digit num |
| 15:57.22 | Adys_ | "works" = ? |
| 15:57.27 | mikma | heh |
| 15:57.29 | Thunder_Child | because the phone ones are longer |
| 15:57.32 | mikma | people are lazy |
| 15:57.43 | jnwhiteh | Thunder_Child: interesting. |
| 15:57.43 | mikma | "how can i write a macro that will taunt a mob i don't have aggro with" |
| 15:57.51 | Thunder_Child | the phone one is 8 digits |
| 15:57.52 | mikma | "or a mob that is running away from me" |
| 15:58.12 | Thunder_Child | or at least the one on my touch is |
| 15:58.26 | Adys_ | touches all 8 of Thunder_Child's digits |
| 15:58.42 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, I recommend "/quit" somewhere in their macro. :) |
| 15:59.06 | mikma | lopeppeppy: too bad there ain't no way to instadisconnect them anymore |
| 15:59.09 | Kraps | mikma: i would take that |
| 15:59.19 | mikma | kraps: i think every tank would take that |
| 15:59.47 | Kraps | i want a lower CD on thunderclap PLEASE! |
| 16:00.17 | mikma | "but a outlander told me he has a macro like that" |
| 16:00.28 | mikma | and i replied: 'then he didn't know what he was talking about' |
| 16:02.17 | Adys | Mikk: sure there is |
| 16:02.22 | Adys | er mikma |
| 16:02.36 | Kraps | so is the F&F alpha starting tuesday? |
| 16:02.44 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.54 | mikma | adys: like that? ^^ |
| 16:02.56 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: of? |
| 16:03.03 | Adys | mikma: wut |
| 16:03.11 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: cata, what else? |
| 16:03.18 | Adys | Kraps: no its not |
| 16:03.27 | mikma | adys: "<1802> <Adys> Mikk: sure there is" -> <1802> <mikma> /cast [mouseover] Taunt |
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| 16:03.41 | Adys | what do you mean "instadc them"? |
| 16:04.17 | jnwhiteh | whats HoR? |
| 16:04.18 | mikma | adys: i remember that blizz removed the \t (ot something) from macros that it will no longer disconnect you |
| 16:04.22 | mikma | jnwhiteh: Halls of Reflection |
| 16:04.23 | Adys | halls of reflection |
| 16:04.26 | jnwhiteh | ah okay |
| 16:04.29 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 16:04.32 | jnwhiteh | that's one of the new ones |
| 16:04.34 | jnwhiteh | right? |
| 16:04.35 | Adys | yes |
| 16:04.37 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 16:04.40 | jnwhiteh | kk =) |
| 16:04.42 | mikma | the last one of the new ones, the hardest |
| 16:05.20 | Adys | mikma: if you want to instadc someone just play with _G["ForceQuit"], scramble shit around and tell them it makes everyone appear naked |
| 16:05.33 | jnwhiteh | who teaches thrown weapons? |
| 16:05.45 | Adys | jnwhiteh: the thrown weapon teacher |
| 16:05.47 | mikma | adys: in macro it's quite impossible to do that nicely |
| 16:05.53 | jnwhiteh | which is =) |
| 16:06.04 | Adys | jnwhiteh: next to the melee weapon teacher |
| 16:06.11 | mikma | http://www.wowwiki.com/Weapon_master |
| 16:06.12 | Adys | mikma: sure it is |
| 16:06.24 | mikma | jnwhiteh: in IF |
| 16:06.32 | jnwhiteh | k, thanks. |
| 16:06.48 | Adys | play with chr and what not |
| 16:06.52 | Fisker | i thought you had a hunter jnwhiteh |
| 16:06.59 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 16:07.02 | Kraps | oculus incoming! |
| 16:07.10 | jnwhiteh | I did 3 years ago |
| 16:07.25 | mikma | he must be talking to fister again lol |
| 16:07.31 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 16:07.38 | Adys | Saurfang -> Saurcroc in french |
| 16:07.51 | Fisker | mikma is a fucking genius |
| 16:07.55 | mikma | i need a plugin that will show that fisker is talking but replaces his text with "troll troll troll" |
| 16:08.03 | mikma | then i would know that people are talking to him |
| 16:08.06 | Fisker | he can deduct that jnwhiteh is communicating with me from the fact that he is ignoring me |
| 16:08.12 | Fisker | He must be some kind of master genius |
| 16:08.57 | jnwhiteh | why am i leveling a warrior |
| 16:08.58 | jnwhiteh | should i stop? |
| 16:09.07 | Mikk | spec prot, instance your way to 80 |
| 16:09.09 | mikma | do you enjoy it? |
| 16:09.24 | Mikk | instant groups ftw |
| 16:09.27 | mikma | i am enjoying my rogue more and more now |
| 16:09.36 | jnwhiteh | i haven't tanked muc |
| 16:09.37 | jnwhiteh | yet |
| 16:09.45 | Mikk | best to start early ;) |
| 16:09.46 | jnwhiteh | i need an heirloom 1h |
| 16:09.51 | jnwhiteh | i mean i know how to tank |
| 16:09.52 | jnwhiteh | did so on my druid |
| 16:10.00 | jnwhiteh | but dont know def stance well yet =) |
| 16:10.06 | jnwhiteh | getting berkserker first |
| 16:12.07 | mikma | you can't sell badges back, can't you? |
| 16:12.49 | jnwhiteh | i have a level 80 resto druid |
| 16:12.52 | jnwhiteh | following me and healing me |
| 16:12.54 | jnwhiteh | i'm 25 |
| 16:13.13 | Lopeppeppy | Dual boxing, or dragging around a friend? |
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| 16:18.42 | jnwhiteh | neither |
| 16:18.44 | jnwhiteh | he just shohwed up =) |
| 16:18.59 | jnwhiteh | then pulled morladim for me |
| 16:19.02 | jnwhiteh | without throrns |
| 16:19.08 | jnwhiteh | and helped me kill him |
| 16:19.12 | industrial | \o/ |
| 16:19.18 | Fisker | what a jerk |
| 16:19.48 | Kalroth | fisker wouldnt |
| 16:19.51 | jnwhiteh | victory rush has changed my life. |
| 16:19.59 | Lopeppeppy | Woot. Must be farming herbalism in the area, the graveyard is good for that. |
| 16:20.15 | Lopeppeppy | I sorta remember victory rush... free charge for the next target after you kill one? |
| 16:20.20 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 16:20.26 | jnwhiteh | its a free instant melee attack |
| 16:20.29 | jnwhiteh | after you kill one |
| 16:20.47 | jnwhiteh | i think of it as a punch in the face =) |
| 16:20.47 | mikma | jnwhiteh: ctrl+rightclick on questobjective (map) is sexy. thanks |
| 16:21.10 | jnwhiteh | yw |
| 16:21.23 | industrial | hmm? |
| 16:21.27 | industrial | with tomtom? |
| 16:21.32 | mikma | yeap :) |
| 16:21.36 | industrial | nice. |
| 16:21.48 | jnwhiteh | need to see if i can do it without poppping te map |
| 16:21.50 | jnwhiteh | but i dunno |
| 16:23.12 | Kraps | epic win, dismounting in oculus just short of a platform |
| 16:32.48 | jnwhiteh | warriors have too many skills |
| 16:33.50 | Lopeppeppy | druids are any better? :P |
| 16:34.43 | jnwhiteh | yes, actually |
| 16:35.21 | jnwhiteh | what teh fuck |
| 16:35.21 | Lopeppeppy | I'd been having trouble with my feral cat skills. |
| 16:35.24 | jnwhiteh | why do i need to go to the barrens |
| 16:35.32 | mikma | :I |
| 16:35.33 | jnwhiteh | to get Berserker stance |
| 16:36.00 | jnwhiteh | can i get to ratchet from SW easily? |
| 16:36.05 | Lopeppeppy | A lot of quests drag you down there. Is unfun. |
| 16:36.35 | jnwhiteh | as a gnome warrior |
| 16:36.41 | jnwhiteh | i have not been on kalimdor |
| 16:36.45 | jnwhiteh | and now they're all 'oh just go here' |
| 16:37.04 | mikma | jnwhiteh: bootybay -> ship |
| 16:37.07 | Lopeppeppy | same for warlocks, there's questing in Kalimdor |
| 16:37.11 | jnwhiteh | mikma: i dont have bootybay |
| 16:37.19 | jnwhiteh | but i'm 30 |
| 16:37.21 | jnwhiteh | guess its time to get it =/ |
| 16:37.24 | Pneumatus | jnwhiteh: i wouldnt bother getting zerk stance until you end up down in stv |
| 16:37.26 | jnwhiteh | fuckers. |
| 16:37.32 | Pneumatus | but then i never used zerk stance at all |
| 16:37.51 | jnwhiteh | well i'm headed-ish there now. |
| 16:38.06 | mikma | jnwhiteh: mount up and run there taking all the flyingpoints. if you are in ED i can come and escort you, too ^^ |
| 16:38.06 | jnwhiteh | yeah, is it even useful? |
| 16:38.15 | Pneumatus | as arms i NEVER used it |
| 16:38.25 | jnwhiteh | i'm fury |
| 16:38.27 | Pneumatus | nfi about furly levelling tho |
| 16:38.45 | jnwhiteh | but may go prot |
| 16:38.59 | jnwhiteh | instance-grinding gets better gear anytway |
| 16:39.15 | jnwhiteh | mikma: I am on ED |
| 16:39.22 | jnwhiteh | only 2 FPs in bb right? |
| 16:39.48 | mikma | ya, camp and bb |
| 16:39.54 | jnwhiteh | ha, i need to do stockades apparently |
| 16:40.03 | mikma | jnwhiteh: i can come and escort you there with mah shammy / druid |
| 16:40.03 | jnwhiteh | got 2 of those quests accidentally |
| 16:40.22 | mikma | http://open.spotify.com/track/0J4aeU5RjeYdfyHqRKtF8Z |
| 16:41.39 | jnwhiteh | mikma: I should be fine, unless you want to come along |
| 16:41.43 | jnwhiteh | but i'll stick to the roads =) |
| 16:41.47 | jnwhiteh | and I'm 30, so I should be okay |
| 16:42.12 | nevcairiel | just hide from the ~40 apes :D |
| 16:42.14 | mikma | heh |
| 16:42.17 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 16:42.17 | mikma | i'll log, moment |
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| 16:44.16 | Kraps | yay we did oculus |
| 16:44.28 | Kraps | only 1 wipe |
| 16:45.51 | Kraps | 5.6 million damage done /flex |
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| 16:49.56 | jnwhiteh | wtf is the purpose of warrior's 'slam' |
| 16:50.12 | Pneumatus | arms uses it as a filler |
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| 16:50.24 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 16:50.33 | Pneumatus | arms can talent it down to 0.5sec cast |
| 16:50.42 | Kraps | fury does too, it can proc as an instant |
| 16:50.49 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 16:50.50 | jnwhiteh | cool |
| 16:51.12 | mikma | http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2009/10/21/image/277658_amazing%20religion%20selecting%20flowchart!.jpg |
| 16:51.15 | Pneumatus | ah yeh, bloodsurge on fury |
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| 16:51.49 | Pneumatus | hahaha |
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| 16:53.36 | mikma | apparently i should be atheist |
| 16:53.59 | Pneumatus | except athiesm isnt a religion |
| 16:54.39 | mikma | good. |
| 16:58.56 | Trela | Mmm, cult flow chart. |
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| 17:15.01 | Fisker | anyone know excelfu? |
| 17:15.51 | Thunder_Child | i know fu |
| 17:16.04 | Thunder_Child | or was that f u |
| 17:16.43 | Fisker | fu! |
| 17:20.09 | Fisker | i'm so bored :( |
| 17:20.17 | Fisker | made a spreadsheet to keep track of primordial Saronite status |
| 17:20.39 | Thunder_Child | yes, because it's soooooo hard |
| 17:20.48 | Fisker | indeed it is |
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| 17:24.30 | Mikk | docs.google.com |
| 17:24.34 | Mikk | sell your soul to the devil |
| 17:24.36 | Mikk | you know you want to |
| 17:24.53 | Fisker | nah |
| 17:25.03 | Fisker | i bought the rights to give my soul away Mikk |
| 17:25.05 | Fisker | for free |
| 17:28.07 | Thunder_Child | well you get your moneys worth then |
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| 17:31.31 | Adys | how does the Disenchant roll work? |
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| 17:32.11 | nevcairiel | same level as greed |
| 17:32.21 | nevcairiel | if you have a enchanter in party you just win materials, instead of the item |
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| 18:04.35 | Cide | anyone experienced with monitors here? or namely display artifacts? |
| 18:05.26 | Cruciformer | Cide: lcd or crt? |
| 18:05.29 | Cide | got a new monitor but sometimes some colors - I suppose - flicker |
| 18:05.31 | Cide | lcd |
| 18:05.44 | nevcairiel | I noticed that on very cheap lcd panels |
| 18:05.56 | nevcairiel | not sure if it was just broken, or like that by design |
| 18:06.04 | Cruciformer | I haad that on a cheapo monitor I got once. Replaced it with an HP and never looked back. |
| 18:06.05 | Cide | it's a viewsonic vx2268wm |
| 18:06.19 | durcyn | HP -are- cheapo, though. |
| 18:06.22 | Cruciformer | viewsomic is fairly reliable, sounds like you just have a faulty monitor. |
| 18:06.31 | Cruciformer | durcyn: Not teh 30" ones they arent. |
| 18:07.03 | durcyn | eh, true, but that's more likely due to the panels themselves being made only by samsung |
| 18:07.04 | Cide | so it's a hardware issue, and not driver/software related |
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| 18:07.31 | Cruciformer | Cide: the other thing to be sure of is your cable. If your minitor requires dvi dual-link Ive had back luck with some cables. |
| 18:07.58 | Cruciformer | durcyn: I thought it was only philips that did the 30" ones. |
| 18:08.17 | durcyn | hm, pretty sure this dell 30" i have is samsung, i'll have to check |
| 18:08.21 | Cruciformer | altho its entirely possible I confused philips with samsung. |
| 18:09.11 | durcyn | huh. could be LG, even. weird. |
| 18:09.26 | nevcairiel | i beliebe dell uses lg panels |
| 18:09.51 | durcyn | the older 20 and 24 i have are both samsungs |
| 18:10.24 | Cruciformer | yeah for some reason I thought the 30" were philips and someone els.e HP used the philips and apple used the someone else. But its been a long while since I did the research. |
| 18:10.43 | durcyn | apple uses LG for 27 and 30 |
| 18:10.53 | Cruciformer | k thats the someone else then :) |
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| 18:11.57 | Cruciformer | Cide: But getting back to your issue, I'd start by checking the cable. |
| 18:13.10 | nevcairiel | Ah, Dell used the Samsung PVA panels, but they use LG for the IPS panel now |
| 18:13.13 | nevcairiel | thats where i saw LG |
| 18:16.48 | Cruciformer | does anyone here have good curse-fu and can approve and upload thats been queued for a while? |
| 18:16.55 | Cruciformer | and=an |
| 18:17.21 | nevcairiel | You can pay me in cookies |
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| 18:17.39 | Cruciformer | I will gladly do so as long as you like oatmeal rasin cookies :) |
| 18:18.02 | Cruciformer | i cant stand baking choc-chip ones |
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| 18:18.23 | Thunder_Child | there are others |
| 18:18.29 | nevcairiel | for a whilte? its been in there for an hour only :P |
| 18:18.34 | nevcairiel | -t |
| 18:18.34 | Thunder_Child | penut butter, sugar, etc. |
| 18:18.45 | Cruciformer | sowwy Im used to wowinterface :) |
| 18:18.58 | nevcairiel | its sunday, people are not around as much ;) |
| 18:19.26 | nevcairiel | done |
| 18:19.35 | Cruciformer | I am so un time-bound I keep forgetting what day iof the week it is. |
| 18:19.41 | Cruciformer | thank you very much nevcairiel |
| 18:20.06 | Thunder_Child | binds Cruciformer's time |
| 18:20.19 | Cruciformer | heh |
| 18:20.35 | Cruciformer | if the binding involves you giving me lots a moolah, bind all you like :) |
| 18:21.00 | Thunder_Child | yes, i shall pay you in moolah's |
| 18:21.19 | Cruciformer | why do I get teh feeling that may not really be what I want? :) |
| 18:21.47 | Thunder_Child | because you are smarter than the average bear |
| 18:23.11 | Lopeppeppy | Hey Boo-Boo! |
| 18:25.08 | alestane | My father apparently said that when the hospital sent me home in some kind of bassinet. |
| 18:25.37 | alestane | "Look what I got, in this pic-i-nic basket," |
| 18:36.33 | Lopeppeppy | your father is weird |
| 18:36.44 | alestane | I've never denied that. |
| 18:36.51 | Lopeppeppy | Oh god this game is murder. |
| 18:37.01 | alestane | Where did you THINK I got it? |
| 18:37.05 | zenzelezz | what game? |
| 18:37.10 | alestane | What sort of game? Football for the Peppy? |
| 18:37.20 | Lopeppeppy | Patriots/Ravens. Ravens are wiping the field with the Pats. |
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| 18:38.14 | alestane | My friends around here are only casual football fans. But if the Ppatriots are getting slaughtered badly enough, I'll probably still here about it at least briefly. |
| 18:39.12 | alestane | Now, I couldn't spell there. |
| 18:39.31 | alestane | Or there, s/Now/Wow/. |
| 18:39.36 | Lopeppeppy | 21/0 first quarter, alestane. Brady is giving it away. |
| 18:39.46 | alestane | That's pretty brutal, yeah. |
| 18:40.16 | alestane | Not a football aficionado, but I know that's three touchdowns with extra point and no contest. |
| 18:40.34 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.54 | alestane | But if there are three quarters left, that's still plenty of time to turn things around. The question is, will they? |
| 18:40.55 | Lopeppeppy | It's 1st and goal, still first quarter, could be 28 nothing soon. |
| 18:40.57 | Lopeppeppy | Send in the wood chipper, IMO. |
| 18:41.43 | alestane | Someday you will have to explain a game to me the way you see it. I've gotten about as far as grasping what a "down" is. |
| 18:43.29 | Lopeppeppy | We'll start in pre-season someday. :) |
| 18:44.07 | alestane | Preferably while sitting on my lap, but that's sort of wishful thinking. |
| 18:44.20 | Lopeppeppy | hard to see tv through someone, dear. |
| 18:45.50 | alestane | Peppy is shorter than me. |
| 18:45.59 | Dagmar | alestane: It's a try at progressing more than 10 yards from their starting point. If they manage it within four attempts, it resets. If they fail, control passes to the other team. |
| 18:46.07 | Dagmar | There is no loot. |
| 18:46.14 | alestane | Dagmar: I have gotten that far, yes. |
| 18:46.40 | Dagmar | I think "there is no loot" kinda sums up the gam. |
| 18:46.47 | Dagmar | s/gam/game/; |
| 18:47.06 | alestane | My point was that I barely even understand the rudiments of the "core gameplay", let alone the emergent strategies that people actually get excited about. |
| 18:47.20 | Dagmar | Players are granted a [Bag of Money] monthly based on pre-set conditions in their [Contract]. |
| 18:47.51 | alestane | Dagmar: When my brother was around six, he came downstairs while my father was watching baseball and wanted to know, "Which ones are the good guys?" |
| 18:48.10 | Dagmar | All that other stuff is pretty much fappery. |
| 18:48.30 | Dagmar | alestane: WEll, that's probably a better question now than it was then |
| 18:48.59 | Dagmar | "Which team has more people on probation, parole, and/or bail?" |
| 18:49.05 | alestane | He grew up on things like Power Rangers, that was his paradigm for group contests at the time. |
| 18:49.44 | Dagmar | We *tried* to get Pac-Man to just bring the strippers to his little mansion. He wanted to run around and be rowdy. |
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| 18:50.18 | Dagmar | When that failed, we replaced him with yet another big black guy with dreds. |
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| 19:04.34 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: The other practical problem with having you sit too close during a game is that if something exciting happens, you might knock my nose off. |
| 19:05.03 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 19:05.40 | Lopeppeppy | Hiya, Shirik! You were in my dream last night! |
| 19:05.53 | Shirik | o.o; |
| 19:05.55 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I'm very demonstrative during football games. I throw things at the tv and stuff. |
| 19:06.09 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you saved me from a blind date gone Very Wrong (tm) |
| 19:06.10 | nevcairiel | the poor tv |
| 19:06.19 | alestane | So yeah, give you space. Cuddling is for movies. |
| 19:06.22 | Lopeppeppy | Might be why I don't have one anymore... |
| 19:06.34 | Shirik | well I'm glad I was at least a positive influence |
| 19:06.41 | Lopeppeppy | It abandoned me for extended abuse during January! |
| 19:06.48 | nevcairiel | at least in dreams that happens, eh? :P |
| 19:06.49 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: You are not the one who killed your TV. I blame Allanna for that one. |
| 19:07.38 | alestane | nevcairiel: That someone saves you? |
| 19:07.55 | nevcairiel | no, that shirik is a positive influence :P |
| 19:08.51 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:10.02 | Cruciformer | Shirik: Can I bother you about lightroom stuff for a bit? |
| 19:10.08 | Shirik | maybe |
| 19:10.18 | Cruciformer | depends on? |
| 19:11.30 | Cruciformer | well Ill just ask and you can answer or not as your fancy takes you :) |
| 19:11.54 | Cruciformer | I have images I want to touch up a bit. Get rid of blemishes etc. So I select the image and say edit in photoshop. |
| 19:12.52 | Cruciformer | when I am done editoing, I now have two of the image in the collection. the original and the edited. is there a way to not have that happen? If I delete the original and just keep the edited one I have no LR history |
| 19:13.35 | Cruciformer | Id like to make a copy of the RAW file, be able to do teh pixel editing I want and then have LR do its exposure or temp adjustments or whatever I chose in the develop module. |
| 19:14.15 | Cruciformer | but it seemed to have saved the image as a tiff file, and added that to the collection. |
| 19:15.07 | Cruciformer | and second question - what is teh difference between :"edit in photoshop cs4" and "edit as smart object in photoshop cs4"? |
| 19:15.21 | Cruciformer | the online docs are very unclear |
| 19:15.41 | Shirik | right, see the problem is Lightroom never changes the file |
| 19:15.43 | Shirik | Photoshop does |
| 19:15.47 | Shirik | that's why it creates two files |
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| 19:16.01 | alestane | nevcairiel: http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp06092002.shtml |
| 19:16.14 | alestane | (or anyone else who's wished they could get out of a bad date.) |
| 19:16.22 | Shirik | Lightroom creates a file which is like "instructions" on how to create the modified file |
| 19:16.26 | Cruciformer | but LR can create a copy so the original is left untouched right? |
| 19:16.26 | Shirik | Photoshop creates a new PSD |
| 19:16.51 | Shirik | When you go to edit in photoshop, LR creates a new PSD or whatever that is sent off to photoshop, photoshop edits that file directly |
| 19:17.09 | Shirik | LR does not want to create a new file, so it doesn't try to pull in those changes back into the original |
| 19:17.16 | Shirik | in short, no, but they have a pretty good reason for "no" |
| 19:17.23 | Shirik | you can always delete the original if you really want to, but I wouldn't advise it |
| 19:17.39 | Cruciformer | No I keep al my raw files exactly as they come off the card. |
| 19:17.45 | Shirik | exactly :) |
| 19:17.58 | Shirik | The problem is Photoshop can't "keep" the original, so Lightroom doesn't try to |
| 19:18.10 | Shirik | and Lightroom has no idea how to recreate the changes you made in photoshop so they can't be merged in, either |
| 19:19.24 | Cruciformer | So lets say I copied the image elsewhere ... ie copy realrawfile.cr2 editme.cr2, and worked on editme,.cr2 in lightroom. I then went in with ps and edited the pixels in editme.cr2. lightroom would then still just apply its algorithms to the edited .cr2 file right? |
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| 19:20.41 | Cruciformer | or stated differently, if I edit teh pixels outside of lightroom, thats Ok becuase lightroom itself doesnt change any pixels it just applies the develop module parameters to whatever the raw pixels are in teh file? |
| 19:20.56 | Iriel | I think the latter would be true |
| 19:21.18 | Iriel | Though you'd potentially run into issues with cached previews etc |
| 19:21.28 | Iriel | (But nothing traumatic) |
| 19:21.43 | Iriel | You would of course never WANT to do that |
| 19:21.56 | Iriel | you'd want to EXPORT the file from LR, edit that, and re-import as a 'new' file |
| 19:21.59 | Cruciformer | Iriel: And do you happent o know the difference between "Edit in photoshop" and "Edit as smart object in photoshop"? |
| 19:22.15 | nevcairiel | the one creates a smart object :d |
| 19:22.26 | nevcairiel | (and no, i dont know what that means :D) |
| 19:22.27 | Cruciformer | iriel: thats assuming I want to do teh pixel work on the touched-by-lr image |
| 19:22.33 | Iriel | http://help.adobe.com/en_US/Photoshop/11.0/WSCCBCA4AB-7821-4986-BC03-4D1045EF2A57a.html |
| 19:22.45 | Iriel | That answers the 'what is a smart object' |
| 19:23.31 | Iriel | I _think_ smart objects gives you the best of both worlds |
| 19:23.39 | Iriel | And you get 'light room style' non-destructive changes from PS |
| 19:24.30 | Cruciformer | cool ty. |
| 19:24.34 | Iriel | It might be more about being able to edit the 'source' image after you've made your photoshop changes than anything else |
| 19:25.57 | Cruciformer | Im starting to really dig lightroom |
| 19:26.19 | Cruciformer | there are a few things I got used to in capture one that I miss but I bet they're in LR somewhere and I just hvanet found them |
| 19:26.55 | Iriel | With the exception of its library management, which is a bit lackluster, I like LR a lot |
| 19:27.28 | Cruciformer | once I disocered how to have it take advantage of my second monitor I was all happy as larry |
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| 19:41.05 | jnwhiteh | so, should I respec prot and do instances |
| 19:41.11 | jnwhiteh | or stay fury and questgrind |
| 19:42.25 | jnwhiteh | Can you level prot without stabbing yourself in the face? |
| 19:42.47 | alestane | Not sure, my warrior was originally built for DPS anyway. |
| 19:42.59 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: what level? |
| 19:43.03 | jnwhiteh | 30 |
| 19:43.09 | jnwhiteh | this says not until 40, when you get shield slam |
| 19:43.11 | jnwhiteh | it'll be much slower |
| 19:43.17 | NightHawkTheSane | grab a shield and a 1h and do instances as fury. |
| 19:43.19 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 19:43.27 | jnwhiteh | have a build for me? ;-) |
| 19:43.33 | jnwhiteh | i need to go buy an heirloom 1h tho |
| 19:43.35 | NightHawkTheSane | does it matter? :P |
| 19:43.36 | jnwhiteh | but i can get the WG one =) |
| 19:43.37 | alestane | Not sure it matters much at level 30. |
| 19:43.45 | jnwhiteh | TELL ME WHAT TO SPEC!! |
| 19:43.55 | jnwhiteh | GIEF! |
| 19:43.57 | NightHawkTheSane | there's almost no talents you can get before thirty that will make a huge difference either way. |
| 19:44.04 | alestane | Whatever will be least painful to level with when you're not instancing, I think. |
| 19:44.08 | NightHawkTheSane | no! (mostly because i'm lazy and cant be arsed) |
| 19:44.44 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, my ~28 warrior is arms and has tanked every instance he's done.. which is rfc, stockades, deadmines, bfd, and gnomer. |
| 19:45.53 | alestane | I've tanked AzN and Nexus in a fury build. |
| 19:45.56 | NightHawkTheSane | alternately, prot leveling isn't bad, even pre-30. If you pick up the glyph of revenge and talent into imp revenge + the shield block Cd reduction, it's pretty nice. |
| 19:46.12 | NightHawkTheSane | revenge hits like a fucking truck, and the glyph gives you a free HS after it hits. |
| 19:46.13 | alestane | I don't think it matters much until you're into end-game content. |
| 19:46.22 | jnwhiteh | yeah i'm not into min-maxxing. |
| 19:46.25 | jnwhiteh | i should look at the prot tree |
| 19:46.29 | jnwhiteh | but eithe way i need a sword =) |
| 19:46.29 | alestane | And at 40, you can get dual-spec anyway if you're so inclined. |
| 19:47.05 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: any cheap green 1h you can grab should work. a large amount of the threat you'll generate will PROBABLY be via sunder & thunderclap, for which your actual weapon is meaningless. ;) |
| 19:47.19 | jnwhiteh | but.. but.. |
| 19:47.21 | jnwhiteh | heirlooms |
| 19:47.29 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i'm not saying don't :) |
| 19:47.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm just saying don't let not having one stop you :) |
| 19:48.13 | NightHawkTheSane | dal rend's w/ crusader on it -is- pretty awesome |
| 19:48.37 | jnwhiteh | dal'rends or thrash blade |
| 19:48.54 | jnwhiteh | and can you enchant heirlooms now? |
| 19:49.00 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. i keep forgetting about the stone keeper shard weapons. |
| 19:49.08 | ZorbaTHut | you've always been able to enchant them, just only with Classic enchants |
| 19:49.09 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, any enchant that will work on a level 1 item |
| 19:49.17 | NightHawkTheSane | so, yeah.. classic enchants only pretty much. |
| 19:49.47 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 19:49.49 | jnwhiteh | I mean |
| 19:50.00 | jnwhiteh | I could spend 40 Emblem of Heroism |
| 19:50.14 | jnwhiteh | By converting 40 conquest emblems. |
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| 19:50.55 | jnwhiteh | ah fuck it, thrash blade is cheaper |
| 19:50.56 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 19:51.21 | jnwhiteh | and i need another eye of the beast |
| 19:51.40 | NightHawkTheSane | why eye of the beast? for a warrior? |
| 19:51.44 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 19:51.49 | jnwhiteh | hp regen |
| 19:51.51 | jnwhiteh | and haste |
| 19:51.53 | Kalroth | .. |
| 19:51.57 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean hand of justice :P |
| 19:52.00 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 19:52.02 | jnwhiteh | that one too =) |
| 19:52.05 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 19:52.11 | NightHawkTheSane | eye of the beast is spell power + mana regen |
| 19:52.16 | jnwhiteh | ah yeah |
| 19:52.17 | jnwhiteh | sorry |
| 19:52.27 | jnwhiteh | still have 377 stone keeper shards =) |
| 19:53.14 | jnwhiteh | mikma: do we have anyone who can do crusader enchant? ;-) |
| 19:54.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i've been spending my shards on gems >< |
| 19:54.42 | mikma | jnwhiteh: arrr, hmmmm |
| 19:54.47 | mikma | jnwhiteh: let's see |
| 19:55.10 | jnwhiteh | lol we have 80 snowballs in the bank |
| 19:55.18 | mikma | :D |
| 19:55.35 | NightHawkTheSane | my mage has 490 :P |
| 19:55.39 | jnwhiteh | but no lbs |
| 19:55.48 | jnwhiteh | maybe in my bank |
| 19:56.06 | Bruners | didnt they increase the drop rate on the crusdaer enchant by a lot? |
| 19:56.06 | zenzelezz | lbs are so last century, use kg |
| 19:58.54 | jnwhiteh | Hrm, the righteous orbs are 60g each |
| 19:58.57 | jnwhiteh | i can just buy the scroll for 150 |
| 19:59.09 | jnwhiteh | should I grab it? ;-) |
| 19:59.10 | alestane | Or run Strat Live a couple times. |
| 19:59.30 | jnwhiteh | meh, i cba to farm |
| 19:59.38 | jnwhiteh | i have 8.7k gold |
| 19:59.41 | jnwhiteh | which admittedly isn't a lot |
| 19:59.44 | jnwhiteh | but i'm not spending it on anything =) |
| 19:59.48 | alestane | Then go ahead and get the scroll. |
| 20:01.46 | ZorbaTHut | jn, I blow money on a bunch of stuff. it's just not worth tracking people down and getting enchants made |
| 20:02.16 | ZorbaTHut | you could go farm stratholme, or you could go do a bunch of argent tournament dailies, buy shit, and probably get it done faster and easier with more money :P |
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| 20:18.52 | jnwhiteh | =) |
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| 20:19.01 | Zasurus | Is it just me or has curse.com started falling over? I am now getting errors when trying to visit wow addon pages!? |
| 20:20.03 | Cloudwolf | Shadowed are you here? Also does any one know if ShadowedUF supports item buffs such as poisons/shaman weapon buffs/ weapon sharpening stones/ lures etc? |
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| 20:20.28 | jnwhiteh | NightHawkTheSane: so what's tanking look like in defensive stance? ;) Anything I should be aware of in particular? |
| 20:20.38 | jnwhiteh | it was stupid-easy on a druid, just don't want to be a complete idiot =) |
| 20:21.59 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: you hit things with a macs/sword/axe and hold a shield in the other hand :) |
| 20:22.18 | Kraps | with a macs? |
| 20:22.20 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 20:22.24 | Kraps | with a pcs |
| 20:23.42 | Lopeppeppy | I have an old mac I could hurt people with. One of the cute little square ones. |
| 20:24.37 | Kraps | pcs are generally bigger though |
| 20:25.22 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: tanking was stupid easy on a druid? |
| 20:25.33 | jnwhiteh | swipe, swipe, swipe swipe, yawn |
| 20:25.34 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: uh, at low level it's not terribly interesting. like i said before, sunder & thunderclap will be great for threat generation. |
| 20:25.38 | jnwhiteh | they fixed that, but yeah =) |
| 20:25.49 | NightHawkTheSane | surprisingly, rend isn't bad either, it scales reasonably well, and is fairly cheap |
| 20:26.21 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: i wish they buffed it more at 80 |
| 20:27.03 | ZorbaTHut | jnwhite, revenge, shield slam, thunderclap, sunder. concussion blow if you have it |
| 20:27.25 | NightHawkTheSane | oh yeah, revenge, any time it's up, use it. its cheap and hits hard |
| 20:27.45 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 20:27.53 | NightHawkTheSane | also, shield block is great to buy ~10s of near invulnerability in some situations |
| 20:28.04 | NightHawkTheSane | any time a pack of mostly melee is smacking you around, really |
| 20:28.13 | ZorbaTHut | I actually macro shield block to shield slam, since it boosts the damage of SS significantly |
| 20:28.31 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: what level are you? |
| 20:28.36 | NightHawkTheSane | well, at 30 you dont have shield slam ;) |
| 20:28.47 | jnwhiteh | 30 |
| 20:29.01 | NightHawkTheSane | and the instances i've been doing lately it's been more useful to save it for packs of melee trash (shit in gnomer especially) |
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| 20:29.12 | Kraps | are you prot? |
| 20:29.22 | jnwhiteh | no, i'm fury |
| 20:29.25 | ZorbaTHut | ah, didn't realize it showed up that late |
| 20:29.33 | ZorbaTHut | alright, no shield slam :) |
| 20:29.40 | NightHawkTheSane | like i said, at that level, i basically fully block every attack, it's 10s when your healer can breath :P |
| 20:30.15 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 20:32.41 | Lopeppeppy | breathing is nice. |
| 20:32.44 | Lopeppeppy | I like to breathe |
| 20:44.06 | industrial | hehe, I have 1337 haste now |
| 20:44.09 | industrial | when fully procced |
| 20:44.31 | haste | nub! |
| 20:45.10 | Lopeppeppy | I'm uber uber 1337, soooo uber, uber 1337! What a wonderful feeling, I'm pwning again! |
| 20:47.27 | alestane | ..."Singing in the Rain," sort of? |
| 20:48.33 | Lopeppeppy | ... Oxhorn. |
| 20:49.23 | Lopeppeppy | ROFLMAO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEWgs6YQR9A |
| 20:49.36 | Lopeppeppy | If you haven't watched his stuff, do it. Please. Save your soul, watch his stuff. |
| 20:50.11 | Grum | someone forgot to buy a deinterlace filter >< |
| 20:51.03 | alestane | Peppy: Win. |
| 20:51.29 | Lopeppeppy | Have you really not seen those? |
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| 20:52.32 | alestane | I had not. The quote you referred to is, however, a reference to "Singing in the Rain." |
| 20:53.23 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:55.10 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, go watch his entire channel. The Great Kodo kicks serious ass. |
| 20:55.19 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Fisker dear. Cold out there yet? |
| 20:55.56 | Fisker | i don't know |
| 20:55.58 | Fisker | stopped stalking you :( |
| 20:56.07 | Fisker | i mean visiting your general area |
| 20:56.14 | Fisker | stalking would be illegal |
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| 20:58.38 | Lopeppeppy | I'm glad, it's very cold outside. |
| 20:59.25 | alestane | You're right, that fellow bears further perusal. |
| 21:00.24 | zenzelezz | ~weather encn |
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| 21:06.52 | ZorbaTHut | I wish Rawr had an option for "don't show cloth" |
| 21:07.36 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr means I love you in dinosaur. |
| 21:16.48 | Pneumatus | it does, ZorbaTHut |
| 21:16.59 | Pneumatus | tools -> refine types of items listed |
| 21:17.01 | Pneumatus | or something like that |
| 21:17.34 | Cloudwolf_ | I wish players didn't need to use spread sheets to figure out an upgrade... |
| 21:18.16 | ZorbaTHut | oy, didn't even see that |
| 21:18.17 | ZorbaTHut | thanks :) |
| 21:18.27 | ZorbaTHut | cloud, honestly, I'm not really using it to figure out upgrades, I'm using it to tell me where upgrades are |
| 21:19.06 | Cloudwolf_ | I dind't say you were but people always say go get a spread sheet plugi n the stats get if its an upgrade.... my response is thank you but if i have to do that ill pass... |
| 21:19.29 | alestane | Part of why they're simplifying item stats in 4.0. |
| 21:19.31 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's true. that's more of a problem with WoW gearing being complicated |
| 21:19.33 | Cloudwolf_ | or i need it and test it out.... if no one else needs it |
| 21:19.39 | NightHawkTheSane | what alestane said. :P |
| 21:19.48 | Cloudwolf_ | im glad that they are simplifying it in 4.0 |
| 21:20.07 | Cloudwolf_ | lots of people arn't "blah blah blah casuals blah blah if they wanted to knwo spread sheet blah blah..." or thats the most voiced opinoin |
| 21:20.08 | NightHawkTheSane | but at a certain level, the game is basically just math. spreadsheets are really good at doing math. :P |
| 21:20.37 | alestane | Sounds like it's basically getting boiled back down to armor, strength, intellect, stamina, spirit, agility and haste. |
| 21:20.45 | Lopeppeppy | needs her head examined. |
| 21:20.56 | alestane | examines Lopeppeppy's head. |
| 21:21.00 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: well, there'll be crit, and hit too |
| 21:21.01 | alestane | Nope, no lice! |
| 21:21.13 | NightHawkTheSane | aaand probably expertise |
| 21:21.14 | Cloudwolf_ | if they remove crit i will cry lol |
| 21:21.21 | Pneumatus | hit is supposed to dissapear |
| 21:21.28 | NightHawkTheSane | unlikely |
| 21:21.31 | Cloudwolf_ | i love crit stacking just cus its funny to watch crit crit crit crit no crit crit cirt |
| 21:21.35 | alestane | Or at least become the realm of spec. |
| 21:21.40 | ZorbaTHut | alestane, pretty sure they're keeping dodge parry block, though they're finally changing block to be percentage |
| 21:21.43 | Pneumatus | its a crap stat that you get more and more on higher tier gear, yet still need the same to cap |
| 21:21.49 | NightHawkTheSane | also, there'll be dodge/parry/block rating |
| 21:22.02 | Lopeppeppy | Crit used to be fun as a paladin healer. Now it's much less useful. |
| 21:22.32 | NightHawkTheSane | and they're adding in mastery, too |
| 21:22.38 | Cloudwolf_ | cus now its spell crit and not crit lol |
| 21:22.53 | Cloudwolf_ | hmm mastery is such an intesrting concept |
| 21:23.06 | Cloudwolf_ | although i want to know each tree has 3 mastiers maybe poison dmg flat dmg and crit or some other stuff |
| 21:23.11 | Cloudwolf_ | is your highest one chosen or do you get all 3 |
| 21:23.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i suspect it will scale based on your investment in the tre |
| 21:23.35 | Pneumatus | the tree with most points in iirc |
| 21:23.35 | NightHawkTheSane | tree* |
| 21:23.48 | Cloudwolf_ | each tree has 3 masteris inside of it |
| 21:23.54 | NightHawkTheSane | but *shrug* |
| 21:24.06 | Cloudwolf_ | and int he preview screen shots one of them is highlighted green |
| 21:24.07 | NightHawkTheSane | its all speculation until we see it implemented, so meh. |
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| 21:25.31 | ZorbaTHut | awesome, the best upgrade I can get comes from normal HoR |
| 21:25.54 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 which? |
| 21:26.09 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49830 new hat beyotch |
| 21:26.32 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, that's neat. |
| 21:26.46 | ZorbaTHut | there's like *no* good leather spellpower gear in the new 3 instances :( |
| 21:26.48 | ZorbaTHut | it's all cloth |
| 21:26.51 | ZorbaTHut | and I can't roll on cloth. |
| 21:26.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i know >< |
| 21:27.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i've been able to pick up most of it as i go with some friends a lot |
| 21:27.14 | ZorbaTHut | man I wish blizzard had gone to need/offspec/greed :/ |
| 21:27.22 | Cloudwolf_ | i feel depressed on the lack of phys dps daggers in the 5 mans |
| 21:27.30 | Mikk | the Need vs Greed is broken, end of |
| 21:27.36 | ZorbaTHut | I'm picking up a surprising amount by just watching for groups without an enchanter, or by watching for a dude mashing "greed" instead of "disenchant" |
| 21:27.36 | NightHawkTheSane | nah |
| 21:27.39 | ZorbaTHut | and then begging it off 'em |
| 21:27.43 | ZorbaTHut | but it's still not as predictable. |
| 21:28.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, trying to get lower pieces of gear sucks, but i really wouldnt want the loot system to be any more complex |
| 21:28.21 | NightHawkTheSane | er, lesser armor types.. |
| 21:28.22 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh |
| 21:28.46 | Mikk | eh yeah my raidset is like 30% cloth rest leather |
| 21:28.49 | ZorbaTHut | I'm curious whether they'll ever get rid of the niche armor varieties |
| 21:28.51 | Mikk | obviously i have no idea what im doing mhm |
| 21:29.01 | ZorbaTHut | like spellpower (everything except cloth) |
| 21:29.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: honestly, i wish they'd just do away with static armor types, and make armor a class ability that multiplies how much armor you get from the item |
| 21:29.37 | Mikk | OR |
| 21:29.44 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, it makes the art a little less interesting :D |
| 21:29.48 | Mikk | have drops be some base type that can get augmented |
| 21:29.51 | Mikk | like in umm |
| 21:29.56 | Mikk | whatever game it was |
| 21:30.12 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: *shrug* maybe, but i bet you could work around that |
| 21:30.14 | Mikk | like "hai this is a piece of armor with nice stats.. slap some plate on it plx" |
| 21:30.28 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, possibly, yeah |
| 21:30.31 | ZorbaTHut | mikk, huh, that's a neat idea |
| 21:30.40 | Mikk | or hey why not as in warhammer, where drops look different to different players |
| 21:30.46 | NightHawkTheSane | like different graphic depending on what armor type your class uses |
| 21:31.37 | ZorbaTHut | mikk, now that's dang clever |
| 21:32.21 | alestane | Personally, I think gear should be typed based on what it's for, but then people whine because they don't see why their healadin should be *forced* to wear cloth or their enhancement shammy is rolling on leather. Even though the only real difference at that point is armor, which rarely matters to them. |
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| 21:37.47 | Lopeppeppy | Treason. |
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| 21:38.27 | jnwhiteh | i dont think i'm enjoying my hero |
| 21:38.30 | jnwhiteh | definitely not tanking. |
| 21:38.40 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/68054/pressing-engagement/ |
| 21:38.45 | Adys | replace "robot" by "sex robot" |
| 21:38.47 | Adys | it gets really funny. |
| 21:39.51 | Fisker | well get a nexus one |
| 21:40.02 | Bruners | Fisker: good night, im going to bed now |
| 21:40.10 | Fisker | can i join Bruners ? |
| 21:44.31 | Kalroth | hot |
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| 22:03.18 | ZorbaTHut | man I wish I could somehow take a bunch of frozen orbs back in time to the wrath launch |
| 22:03.22 | ZorbaTHut | I'd be so goddamn rich |
| 22:03.50 | nevcairiel | by now everyone is swimming in them |
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| 22:05.24 | Fisker | i just thought of something |
| 22:05.50 | Fisker | I figure the only reason why cut gems doesn't stack is because you could pop a full stack into a socket |
| 22:05.50 | ZorbaTHut | I've been vendoring them |
| 22:05.53 | Fisker | that'd be fucking awesome |
| 22:05.55 | ZorbaTHut | they're literally not worth putting on the AH |
| 22:06.16 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: yup, same here :p |
| 22:06.35 | nevcairiel | i just stockpile them somewhere |
| 22:06.44 | nevcairiel | maybe i need them for something |
| 22:06.58 | ZorbaTHut | I've thought about stockpiling them and posting them a few months after the Cataclysm launch |
| 22:07.01 | ZorbaTHut | but, eh. effort. |
| 22:09.48 | Shirik | (17:05:49) (Fisker) I figure the only reason why cut gems doesn't stack is because you could pop a full stack into a socket |
| 22:09.50 | Shirik | you win Fisker |
| 22:09.59 | Shirik | 20x spellpower in a slot |
| 22:11.30 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 22:12.29 | Fisker | I'm drooling over the 3400 str/3400 crit rating i could get |
| 22:12.34 | Fisker | or 7200 strength |
| 22:12.45 | Adys | I think Fisker is a Blizzard employee |
| 22:12.56 | Adys | nobody else in the world can understand their design that easily |
| 22:13.16 | Fisker | :( |
| 22:13.35 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker is their night janitor, he reads the white boards for secrets! |
| 22:15.00 | WobWork | ugh |
| 22:15.06 | WobWork | I can't believe tinyurl is blocked |
| 22:15.15 | WobWork | can anyone expand out http://tinyurl.com/ydwx4xo for me? |
| 22:15.30 | Adys | http://members.optusnet.com.au/o.b/NASApix02.jpg |
| 22:15.41 | nevcairiel | http://to./7dd |
| 22:15.41 | WobWork | ta |
| 22:15.45 | nevcairiel | i shortend it for you :p |
| 22:15.55 | WobWork | nevcairiel: not very well =P |
| 22:16.02 | Adys | wtf is that url? |
| 22:16.05 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 22:16.08 | Adys | to./ ? |
| 22:16.09 | nevcairiel | it works |
| 22:16.15 | nevcairiel | try it |
| 22:16.16 | nevcairiel | :d |
| 22:16.19 | Adys | yeah |
| 22:16.22 | Adys | and I maintain |
| 22:16.24 | Adys | wtf is that url? |
| 22:16.48 | WobWork | http://screencast.com/t/M2E5ZDA0OWMt |
| 22:16.56 | nevcairiel | someone got a full TLD as a url shortener :D |
| 22:17.03 | alestane | That's the top-level domain "to" followed by the root-domain marker. |
| 22:17.05 | Dagmar | Tonga loves money |
| 22:17.14 | nevcairiel | most resolvers require the . at the end for it to work |
| 22:17.19 | nevcairiel | but in theory it even works without |
| 22:17.23 | Dagmar | Since when |
| 22:17.45 | Dagmar | The trailing dot is implied. |
| 22:17.54 | Adys | I guess 3.ly got owned |
| 22:18.16 | Antiarc | Pretty soon ICANN will just designate . as the official URL shortener of the internet and print moneys |
| 22:18.24 | WobWork | doesn't work for me =( |
| 22:18.31 | Adys | lol |
| 22:18.33 | Dagmar | Antiarc: I'd like to see them do that actually |
| 22:18.47 | Dagmar | So many freaking registrars are clearly just acting as bad-faith money whores |
| 22:19.06 | Dagmar | If ICANN acted like even a few of them did, people would go spare |
| 22:19.36 | Adys | WobWork: which version of chrome? |
| 22:19.37 | Adys | works fine here |
| 22:19.55 | WobWork | didn't work for IE8 either |
| 22:20.06 | Dagmar | I'm giving it exactly one month after they open the new i18n zones that at least one registrar openly encourages people to register domains that match other people's actual latin-1 domains |
| 22:20.15 | WobWork | 4.0.249.43 |
| 22:20.49 | Adys | WobWork: i guess your work is blocking a bunch of domain names |
| 22:21.05 | WobWork | Adys: probably =( |
| 22:21.08 | nevcairiel | maybe his work firewall just chokes on that |
| 22:21.12 | Dagmar | Must be |
| 22:21.19 | Dagmar | I can't get to. to fail, nor just to |
| 22:21.53 | Adys | WobWork: http://www.tonic.to/ |
| 22:21.55 | Adys | does this work for you? |
| 22:21.58 | Dagmar | Chrome does it's usual "This URL looks a little weird. I'd like to annoy you and make you click to confim it" |
| 22:22.21 | Adys | it goes there fine here |
| 22:22.31 | nevcairiel | wtf is .to anyway? is that some special domain or some country i'm not aware of? |
| 22:22.37 | Adys | Tonga |
| 22:22.50 | Dagmar | nevcariel: It's Tonga |
| 22:23.13 | Dagmar | They were one of the first countries to say "Wait... What's this internet thing? You say we can make money with it?" |
| 22:23.30 | nevcairiel | i like how to/ says nano-url instead of just tiny url or something :P |
| 22:23.53 | Dagmar | They actually formed a company/branch-of-gov't to administer the hoovering in of money from people wanting a .to domain |
| 22:24.08 | Dagmar | ...before the vast majority of their people even knew WTF the internet was |
| 22:24.20 | Dagmar | It paid for them to set up 'nationwide' acces |
| 22:24.25 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:24.52 | Dagmar | They even sent out requests for resumes over usenet |
| 22:25.39 | Arrowmaster | i wonder what the yearly renewal fee is for go.to |
| 22:25.41 | Dagmar | I'm suprisd by now the CIA factbook doesn't list one of their major exports as A records |
| 22:26.04 | Dagmar | It's not like they make a lot more than that and "really big f**kers" |
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| 22:33.00 | Cloudwolf | rofl |
| 22:33.02 | Cloudwolf | http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c71692/media/image/200911/phpdD5C4Aomgcute6.jpg |
| 22:38.51 | Shirik | .... |
| 22:38.54 | Shirik | I swear to god we have morons running the internet |
| 22:39.05 | Lopeppeppy | You're only now figuring it out? |
| 22:39.34 | Fisker | atleast i are not a moran |
| 22:39.43 | Shirik | apparently there was a Y2K10 bug |
| 22:39.50 | Shirik | because we have morons developing software |
| 22:40.06 | Shirik | who the hell writes code that only cares about the last digit in a yeatr |
| 22:40.32 | Grum | someone living in the year 0 :) |
| 22:40.38 | Grum | prolly not going to make 10! |
| 22:40.39 | Fisker | i thought it was because of the decimal and heximal stuff! |
| 22:40.54 | Adys | Shirik: because it takes more memory to support two digits ! |
| 22:42.11 | Lopeppeppy | It seems that every January 1, there's something that doesnt' process the year change correctly. I hear about it every year from various IT/Support type friends. |
| 22:42.47 | WobWork | hehe |
| 22:43.02 | WobWork | spent a NYE at the Tongan Embassy in Beijing one year |
| 22:43.20 | WobWork | that was kinda awesome, although we sorta trashed the place by the end of it =\ |
| 22:43.31 | WobWork | I feel terrible for the shuffleboard table =( |
| 22:43.48 | Mikk | something broke in WoW i think |
| 22:43.53 | Mikk | my prot/holy pally got chosen as healer for a random |
| 22:44.41 | alestane | Did you have "Healer" checked off? |
| 22:44.46 | ZorbaTHut | my resto/balance druid actually got chosen as balance once or twice |
| 22:44.49 | Adys | ForeignCell("experience_reward", "QuestXP", get_row=lambda x, row: row.parent.level, get_column=lambda x, value: "experience_%i" % (value)), |
| 22:44.50 | ZorbaTHut | it was surprising |
| 22:44.53 | Adys | Shirik: ^ |
| 22:45.02 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:45.12 | Adys | its called "awesome" |
| 22:45.26 | Shirik | tell me again how that is called "awesome"? |
| 22:45.39 | Cloudwolf | Am i the only one who wished that the lfg tool locks tanks to the group and the tank can only leave if the group wipes 3 times or is vote kicked? |
| 22:45.40 | Adys | well first theres an "a" |
| 22:45.47 | Adys | then you put a "w". |
| 22:45.51 | Shirik | DISAGREE |
| 22:45.51 | Cloudwolf | i can't tell you how frustrating it is to wait 10+ minutes to have the tank just bail... |
| 22:45.55 | Adys | cmon :( |
| 22:46.20 | Fisker | captures Shirik in a ball |
| 22:46.28 | Shirik | pokemons |
| 22:46.35 | Adys | Shirik: based on my foreignkey model, I can call a specific cell from the row the foreignkey returns with ForeignCell |
| 22:46.39 | Lopeppeppy | Gotta get 'em all. |
| 22:46.44 | Adys | I defined get_row and get_column anonymously |
| 22:46.50 | Shirik | based on my AI model, I can represent any formula using a combination of 8 classes |
| 22:46.58 | Adys | and this |
| 22:47.19 | Adys | this gets the value for the experience gained by a quest |
| 22:47.28 | Shirik | you should use a ComputationalTreeNode |
| 22:47.41 | Adys | using the value from the cell, and the one from the level field in the same row |
| 22:48.20 | Shirik | Alert! New Version Avialable! |
| 22:48.30 | Shirik | I wonder if one of the bug fixes was to correct the alert |
| 22:51.44 | Thunder_Child | Cloudwolf: are you a healer? |
| 22:54.04 | Cloudwolf | no |
| 22:54.06 | Cloudwolf | dps |
| 22:54.21 | Cloudwolf | if i was healer my wait woudln't be too unbearable |
| 22:54.41 | ZorbaTHut | cloud, because that's what we need in the lfg system: a strong discouragement to tank instances |
| 22:54.53 | ZorbaTHut | also can't you just, y'know, find a new tank? |
| 22:55.13 | WobWork | good god |
| 22:55.19 | WobWork | I would -stop- tanking if they did that |
| 22:55.29 | WobWork | it's bad enough with terrible dps |
| 22:55.41 | WobWork | or people that insist on pulling before you're ready |
| 22:55.51 | WobWork | and then say you're a bad tank cause you didn't save their arses |
| 22:56.03 | WobWork | that I'd have to wipe three times or get myself votekicked out |
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| 22:56.20 | WobWork | I vote... No =P |
| 22:56.38 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder what'd happen if they gave a bonus badge for healing or tanking |
| 22:56.40 | WobWork | and Cloudwolf, you can roll a goddamn tank and tank instances yourself =P |
| 22:56.49 | WobWork | see, -that- I could work with |
| 22:56.58 | ZorbaTHut | suppose it wouldn't be particularly fair to the pure DPS classes, though |
| 22:57.01 | WobWork | or even, a BtA badge |
| 22:57.05 | Cloudwolf | Yeah tobad i dont want to level a tank from 1 to 80... |
| 22:57.23 | WobWork | Cloudwolf: do what every other TDH is doing and roll a DK =P |
| 22:57.28 | ZorbaTHut | (I'm still waiting for the Rogue restoration spec, standing behind the main tank stabbing health into him) |
| 22:57.39 | WobWork | either that, or suck it up, and wait for another tank =P |
| 22:58.15 | Cloudwolf | the issue is the healer also nromaly bails whent he tank bails |
| 22:58.22 | Cloudwolf | and the tank can bail with out any body else int he group sucking |
| 22:58.29 | WobWork | Of course, if you want to lock a tank to an instance, you'll have to give them 8 veto votes on the other party members =P |
| 22:58.33 | ZorbaTHut | so, search for a new healer also? |
| 22:58.45 | ZorbaTHut | seriously, I've had a group that ended up with two DPS left |
| 22:58.46 | Cloudwolf | just because a tank can get instant groups why should they make me have to wait 10 more minutes to ge the group i mgith as well leave and just queue for a brand new one |
| 22:58.50 | ZorbaTHut | took about a minute to fill the group back up |
| 22:58.59 | WobWork | Cloudwolf: simple solution. Roll a tank |
| 22:59.06 | WobWork | if you don't like it, too fucking bad =P |
| 22:59.11 | WobWork | suck it up, or do something about it |
| 22:59.12 | Cloudwolf | ZorbaThut well maybe your battle group has a lot more tanks and healers |
| 22:59.14 | Cloudwolf | but mine doesn't |
| 22:59.23 | ZorbaTHut | cloud, maybe, but it puts you at the front of the queue |
| 22:59.39 | ZorbaTHut | it's almost guaranteed to be faster than trying to join a new group |
| 23:00.05 | WobWork | it's also not 'preferences' to the tank |
| 23:00.07 | Cloudwolf | ive sat for 10 minutes waiting for a new tank ina group |
| 23:00.10 | WobWork | it's cause there's not enough people tanking |
| 23:00.19 | WobWork | the solution isn't to disadvantage the tanks |
| 23:00.25 | WobWork | it's to encourage people to make more tanks |
| 23:00.31 | WobWork | so, roll a tank and solve the problem |
| 23:00.36 | WobWork | don't sit there whining =P |
| 23:00.51 | ZorbaTHut | cloud, sometimes I hit "join group" on my tank, and I've found a group before I can close the LFD window :D |
| 23:00.58 | WobWork | Be a part of the solution! Not a part of the problem! |
| 23:00.59 | ZorbaTHut | it's pretty nice out here. you should join us. |
| 23:01.10 | Cloudwolf | again because thers a shortage of tanks... |
| 23:01.14 | WobWork | yeees |
| 23:01.22 | WobWork | so you want to make it so people want to tank less? |
| 23:01.29 | WobWork | because they'll be locked to a group they don't want to run? |
| 23:01.33 | WobWork | waaay to go =P |
| 23:01.41 | Cloudwolf | and get all the grief having a group wipe? to have a boring rotation?... |
| 23:02.02 | WobWork | well, Mr Wolf, you either want everything going for yourself, or nothing for anyone else |
| 23:02.03 | ZorbaTHut | wob, reminds me of the Eve Online corps that try to force people to defend territory by setting the corp tax to 100%, thereby making it impossible to do anything else |
| 23:02.08 | ZorbaTHut | shockingly, people tend to just log off instead |
| 23:02.12 | WobWork | indeed =P |
| 23:02.21 | ZorbaTHut | cloud, so lemme get this straight |
| 23:02.24 | Fisker | slaps WobWork around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:02.34 | WobWork | takes the trout and poaches it in some wine |
| 23:02.50 | ZorbaTHut | "Man, tanks suck! They leave all the time and they're assholes! I hate them and think their lives should be harder. Wait, become a tank myself? Why would I ever do that? They get so much grief all the time!" |
| 23:02.54 | ZorbaTHut | fuck |
| 23:02.55 | ZorbaTHut | you |
| 23:02.56 | ZorbaTHut | >:( |
| 23:02.58 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 23:03.19 | NightHawkTheSane | .... really, you kinda lost your argument the instant you started bitching about tanks and DIDN'T immediately roll one. |
| 23:03.20 | Grum | being a tank is awesome |
| 23:03.22 | WobWork | also, I'm finding... druid tanking? so easy compared to dk tanking =( |
| 23:03.30 | Cloudwolf | My issue is not that tanks are assholes its that 1 asshole tank can cause a horrid expeirence for about 4+ other people |
| 23:03.36 | ZorbaTHut | you want people to tank, encourage people to tank more. Thank people for tanking. Offer to help people learn to tank. |
| 23:03.36 | Gnarfoz | ~seen tekkub |
| 23:03.39 | purl | tekkub is currently on #wowuidev (2h 6m 36s) #wowace (2h 6m 36s) #wowwiki (2h 6m 36s), last said: 'yup'. |
| 23:03.46 | NightHawkTheSane | feh, one asshole of any class can make 4 other people miserable |
| 23:03.46 | Grum | you decide what you'll do (in my case, skip anything that doesnt needs touching :P) |
| 23:03.54 | ZorbaTHut | There's a lot of people out there who find it scary, thanks to people like you, and that's why there aren't more tanks. |
| 23:03.58 | WobWork | so.. you want to lock the tank to an arsehole group? |
| 23:04.11 | ZorbaTHut | Until you fix that, you're basically complaining that you don't like the bed you've made for yourself. |
| 23:04.23 | Gnarfoz | tekkub: FriendsWithBenefits doesn't remove friends for me :< |
| 23:04.25 | WobWork | why the hell would I want to be -forced- to run an instance I don't want to? |
| 23:04.29 | kdtresh | i had a tank bail on a group because we didn't want to go for his achievement |
| 23:04.33 | Cloudwolf | who says the group was at all asshole ish maybe we just started and the tank just leaves we havn't done anything to the tank |
| 23:04.39 | kdtresh | requeued the group, i had to switch from heal to tank |
| 23:04.43 | Gnarfoz | tekkub: it either sits there doing nothing, or it complains it got a "friend removed while adding a friend" situation |
| 23:04.45 | WobWork | well, you're saying all tanks are arseholes =P |
| 23:04.49 | kdtresh | and the new healer griped and called me fail because i was still in my healing gear |
| 23:05.03 | WobWork | otherwise why would you ask that -all- tanks be locked to the instance? |
| 23:05.06 | kdtresh | really made me want to tank for him |
| 23:05.28 | ZorbaTHut | I've joined instances before to find people complaining about my HP |
| 23:05.35 | ZorbaTHut | well uh I was soloing, and I'm in my solo DPS gear |
| 23:05.38 | kdtresh | yeah |
| 23:05.40 | ZorbaTHut | give me five seconds to switch to tank gear plaease |
| 23:05.43 | kdtresh | i was at 22k in healing gear |
| 23:05.50 | WobWork | kdtresh: pally? |
| 23:05.53 | kdtresh | yes |
| 23:05.58 | ZorbaTHut | the sad part is that I have more HP in my DPS gear than I did when I started tanking these damn instances. |
| 23:05.59 | WobWork | (or awesome druid? =)) |
| 23:06.27 | kdtresh | best part was our mage died twice, and both times i had to rez him |
| 23:06.36 | kdtresh | because the healer was an idiot and didn't notice |
| 23:06.44 | Cloudwolf | Tell me another way to encourage tanks to not bail on a group? |
| 23:06.55 | Cloudwolf | make them have deserter status? |
| 23:06.58 | Cloudwolf | like pvp... |
| 23:07.06 | ZorbaTHut | cloud, there isn't one. everyone bails on groups. |
| 23:07.17 | NightHawkTheSane | there is only ONE way to encourage tanks to not bail on groups. |
| 23:07.20 | WobWork | you're suggesting penalties that only apply to tanks |
| 23:07.20 | ZorbaTHut | the only reason it's worse with tanks is because there's fewer tanks. |
| 23:07.32 | NightHawkTheSane | and that is, simply, make them not be in high demand |
| 23:07.32 | ZorbaTHut | encourage there to be more tanks, and the problem gets easier. |
| 23:07.32 | NightHawkTheSane | thus: ROLL A TANK |
| 23:07.32 | WobWork | this is not going to encourage people to play tanks |
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| 23:07.44 | WobWork | after all, why should I, get a penalty if the group sucks and not anyone else? |
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| 23:07.54 | WobWork | Give tanks a bonus instead |
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| 23:08.02 | Grum | WobWork: if the group sucks just leave? :D |
| 23:08.08 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, if that happened I'd just start doing all my groups with guildies instead |
| 23:08.21 | WobWork | Grum: I can't, I'm locked to three wipes or a votekick, according to Cloudwolf's statement |
| 23:08.30 | NightHawkTheSane | although, i do wish that if you bailed on your first random of the day, it'd remove your ability to get the frosts.. |
| 23:08.34 | ZorbaTHut | wobwork, I know what my solution would be |
| 23:08.37 | ZorbaTHut | I'd just /logout |
| 23:08.44 | *** join/#wowuidev kdtresh (n=kdtresh@adsl-75-0-7-96.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:08.58 | ZorbaTHut | cya guys, you'll have to wait a minute to kick me |
| 23:08.58 | WobWork | and thus, there'd be even -less- tanks in the queue =P |
| 23:09.00 | ZorbaTHut | sucks to be you |
| 23:09.22 | kdtresh | join #norganna-dev |
| 23:09.22 | kdtresh | doh |
| 23:09.29 | WobWork | and since noone wants to be stuck in that situation, you'd have to wait 20min for the next tank |
| 23:09.30 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 23:09.33 | Grum | gives kdtresh as / |
| 23:09.37 | WobWork | way to go Cloudwolf =P |
| 23:09.50 | Cloudwolf | Huzzah for flawed logic! |
| 23:09.56 | ZorbaTHut | seriously, you want more tanks, giving people bonus badges for tanking is the way to do it |
| 23:09.56 | WobWork | I suggest an extra Bind to Account badge for the tank or healer |
| 23:09.57 | Cloudwolf | my flawed logic |
| 23:10.02 | Grum | well, the easy solution is: if you are a tank or healer, just laugh at them and requeue in 3 seconds; if you are a dps; BE NICE TO THE TANK/HEALER :p |
| 23:10.05 | ZorbaTHut | you *would* end up with more tanks. rapidly. |
| 23:10.28 | WobWork | a BtA would be awesome |
| 23:10.32 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork, ZorbaTHut: not a terrible idea |
| 23:10.38 | WobWork | cause then you could gear up your dps while tanking |
| 23:10.42 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, oh, I actually think it is a terrible idea |
| 23:10.52 | NightHawkTheSane | why? |
| 23:11.08 | WobWork | (on successful completion of the instance, mind) |
| 23:11.12 | ZorbaTHut | it'd be way too much imbalance. DPS would hate it because it'd be seen as a penalty for rolling the wrong class |
| 23:11.22 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: hm. good point |
| 23:11.38 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, it would solve one problem, but at the cost of a different more painful problem. |
| 23:11.48 | Cloudwolf | Aka you can't give a benefit to a tank because then you get complaints of them getting imbalanced or too much love |
| 23:11.50 | NightHawkTheSane | I like my solution. |
| 23:11.51 | WobWork | hehe I can see the forum posts already |
| 23:11.57 | Cloudwolf | you can't punisht he tanks because then oh look we dont want ot tank cus of punishments |
| 23:11.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ONly roll hybrid classes ;) |
| 23:12.07 | Cloudwolf | so its at a damned stand still.. |
| 23:12.10 | ZorbaTHut | but honestly, the problem's a social one more than anything else. |
| 23:12.27 | ZorbaTHut | if people were nice to tanks, and encouraged tanks, and were willing to try out tanking, it'd fix itself |
| 23:12.44 | WobWork | pft, nice to tanks? |
| 23:12.49 | ZorbaTHut | today, when you have "omg scrub 30k HP cant tank VH lol what a loser" . . . yeah, so here we are. |
| 23:12.50 | WobWork | they should pull faster then =( |
| 23:12.52 | Cloudwolf | ive tried it on my low level druid all im gonna say is druid tanking is boring lol |
| 23:13.01 | ZorbaTHut | low level tanking is boring |
| 23:13.03 | NightHawkTheSane | of course it would. if you actually do the math, there's more classes/specs that CAN heal/tank than are actually needed. if eery warrior COULD tank, if every druid COULD tank or heal, etc. |
| 23:13.05 | ZorbaTHut | low level everything is boring |
| 23:13.25 | ZorbaTHut | I also think adding more specs might help |
| 23:13.29 | WobWork | every time I see a dual dps spec warrior, I cry a little |
| 23:13.35 | ZorbaTHut | a lot of people, instead of having a DPS spec, now has DPS/PvP |
| 23:13.35 | Lopeppeppy | I like 1-20 the best of the game. |
| 23:13.42 | Cloudwolf | WobWork you should cry worse at me im a dual specced rogue |
| 23:13.45 | ZorbaTHut | lope, I think you're insane :P |
| 23:13.49 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: every time i see ANY hybrid that doesn't have a heal or tank spec as one of their dual specs, i cry a little. |
| 23:13.50 | WobWork | Cloudwolf: that's fine, you have no choice |
| 23:14.06 | WobWork | Cloudwolf: it's not like you can be a resto rogue |
| 23:14.11 | Cloudwolf | ZorbaTHut thats waht i ahve pvp pve spec lol |
| 23:14.21 | ZorbaTHut | cloud, as mentioned, you kind of have an excuse |
| 23:14.24 | ZorbaTHut | but there's warriors with dps/pvp |
| 23:14.30 | ZorbaTHut | add a third spec, maybe that'll become dps/pvp/tank |
| 23:14.36 | WobWork | for me hybrid is a class that can span more than one in the tank/dps/heal bracket |
| 23:14.52 | kdtresh | i was rolling ret heals for a long time |
| 23:14.55 | kdtresh | i kinda miss it |
| 23:14.58 | Arrowmaster | nah they wouldnt waste the money on it when they can just have 2 that works |
| 23:15.04 | ZorbaTHut | wob, so, everything besides warlock mage rogue hunter? ;) |
| 23:15.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: yes. |
| 23:15.12 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: hehe pretty much |
| 23:15.18 | NightHawkTheSane | thats actually exactly how it's defined by blizzard too |
| 23:15.23 | NightHawkTheSane | or at least when they use the temr |
| 23:15.24 | NightHawkTheSane | temr* |
| 23:15.25 | WobWork | I have a hunter that doesn't really use his second spec |
| 23:15.28 | NightHawkTheSane | term. goddammit |
| 23:15.44 | WobWork | my DK is dual specced frost tanking |
| 23:15.48 | ZorbaTHut | I think it'd be kind of neat if they turned warlocks into a tank class |
| 23:15.51 | WobWork | cause I wanted to try DW frost |
| 23:15.58 | Cloudwolf | i wish i had a 3rd spec lol pve assassination pve combat pvp mut/prep |
| 23:16.08 | ZorbaTHut | make Metamorphosis turn the character into tank-capable |
| 23:16.15 | WobWork | also, for some reason, my DK sucks at dps =( |
| 23:16.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: i think an actual spellcaster tank class would be neat, but i wouldn't give any odds at them changing warlocks :P |
| 23:16.38 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: maybe the next hero class |
| 23:16.45 | NightHawkTheSane | perhaps. |
| 23:16.48 | ZorbaTHut | well, it'd have to be either warlock, mage, or (unannounced emerald dream hero class) |
| 23:17.02 | WobWork | "FacePwner" |
| 23:17.07 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, IF They did it, it WOULD be a new class. i'm just skeptical that they'll do it |
| 23:17.19 | Fisker | you know what would suck WobWork? |
| 23:17.20 | Cloudwolf | Personaly i would have a dps tank and healer but i find leveling to be so boring |
| 23:17.38 | Cloudwolf | and if your a low level in a pvp bracket you just get roflpwned and have no fun there lol |
| 23:17.38 | ZorbaTHut | I think it'd be fascinating to have a cloth tank class that worked with existing cloth gear |
| 23:17.48 | ZorbaTHut | nobody does melee spellcasters ever, but I think they're awesome |
| 23:17.48 | NightHawkTheSane | i just rolled a priest, im going to try to level him entirely through random instances :P |
| 23:17.52 | ZorbaTHut | punching fireballs into people, etc |
| 23:18.08 | ZorbaTHut | night, totally doable, especially if you're willing to heal |
| 23:18.18 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: specing disc :P |
| 23:18.24 | NightHawkTheSane | (so yes) |
| 23:18.25 | ZorbaTHut | good 'nuff |
| 23:18.47 | ZorbaTHut | I'm thinking of speccing disc/holy on my priest just so I can play around with healing for a while. |
| 23:18.50 | ZorbaTHut | I have no idea how either spec plays. |
| 23:19.01 | ZorbaTHut | whereas shadow is like, yeah, okay, dots, spells, death |
| 23:19.04 | ZorbaTHut | been there done that. |
| 23:19.08 | Cloudwolf | im waiting for cata to make a worgen disc(or holy what ever the good healing spec is) engineer lol |
| 23:19.35 | WobWork | my druid <3's disc priests |
| 23:19.58 | WobWork | I -really- want to transfer my priest across to my current server |
| 23:20.00 | WobWork | and spec disc |
| 23:20.05 | WobWork | but that'll cost $45 |
| 23:20.07 | WobWork | >< |
| 23:20.11 | NightHawkTheSane | disc is kinda annoying when tanking on my pally, but he kinda outgears heroics, and runs into mana issues |
| 23:20.24 | Cloudwolf | i have a level 49 preist but i transfered him ona free transfer day and well i moved it away from my main sooo.... it kinda gets no play time |
| 23:21.45 | WobWork | I -really- want them to reduce transfer fees for unbalanced servers |
| 23:23.08 | WobWork | http://www.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/~awatkins/melbtemp.html |
| 23:23.12 | WobWork | heh >< |
| 23:23.27 | WobWork | forecast max... 43 degrees |
| 23:23.36 | WobWork | dear god =( |
| 23:23.37 | Fisker | They just need to open up some FCM's |
| 23:25.23 | Cloudwolf | hmm complexity black wun i failed to look at thier group comp i wasn't paying close attention lol |
| 23:25.47 | WobWork | Cloudwolf: again... in English? |
| 23:26.16 | Cloudwolf | Arena team wun a tournament the team wun 15000 usd |
| 23:26.21 | Cloudwolf | i don't know waht classes it was |
| 23:26.59 | NightHawkTheSane | jesus christ man, buy a spellchecker, or something. |
| 23:27.00 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.google.com/search?q=define:won |
| 23:27.14 | Cloudwolf | shut it |
| 23:27.26 | NightHawkTheSane | no. fucking spell properly. |
| 23:27.51 | WobWork | (and some punctuation would be nice... at least between statements..) |
| 23:28.12 | Cloudwolf | I know its helpful... |
| 23:28.14 | WobWork | even the occasional full stop |
| 23:29.09 | Cloudwolf | Well tryign to type fast and play wow causes some problem |
| 23:29.13 | Cloudwolf | *problems. |
| 23:29.26 | Gnarfoz | don't type faster than you can. :P |
| 23:29.44 | WobWork | we can wait =) |
| 23:29.45 | NightHawkTheSane | "wun" is not a typo. it is not typing too fast. it is willful ignorance. |
| 23:29.54 | Cloudwolf | Well, I'm trying to get into combat and get my idea out fast. |
| 23:30.35 | WobWork | we'll still be here =P |
| 23:30.41 | WobWork | not like we have anywhere better to be =( |
| 23:30.44 | Cloudwolf | I hate the word won.... because i want to pronounce it like W OH n. |
| 23:30.59 | NightHawkTheSane | just because you don't like it doesn't mean you can be an idiot and misspell it. |
| 23:32.13 | Mikk | well |
| 23:32.28 | Mikk | just because you are an arse doesnt mean you need to be one to everyone |
| 23:32.28 | Mikk | smash |
| 23:32.28 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, it does. :) |
| 23:32.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, shit, if i wasn't an ass to everyone, i wouldn't be very much of an ass would i. |
| 23:32.47 | WobWork | kaws if wee speld lyk wee prownownsded eet wuld lewk stupid |
| 23:32.50 | Cloudwolf | It doesn't help that I had issues learning how to spell properly due to Dysgraphia (its not dyslexia but its related) where I have a mental disconnect |
| 23:33.17 | *** join/#wowuidev spode (i=spode@213-21-77-27.bon.t3.se) |
| 23:33.18 | WobWork | and I gave up at the end there |
| 23:33.31 | Mikk | stjoopeed |
| 23:33.37 | Cloudwolf | I have a learning disability. |
| 23:33.46 | WobWork | You've overcome it fine, by the looks of it |
| 23:33.47 | Cloudwolf | It affects spelling. |
| 23:33.56 | NightHawkTheSane | wah, wah. just means you need to work harder. |
| 23:34.26 | Mikk | gets the hacksaw out and cuts NightHawkTheSane's legs off. Run mofo! Work! Work! |
| 23:34.45 | NightHawkTheSane | gets cybernetic legs, kicks Mikk in the crotch. |
| 23:35.05 | WobWork | Mikk: no, it's "PULL FASTER! GOGOGOGO" |
| 23:35.59 | Mikk | GNNHGHH... Metal... to groin.... Pain levels.. of Shattnerian magnitude.. |
| 23:36.41 | NightHawkTheSane | shit. shattnerian? okay, maybe that was a little too hard. |
| 23:37.21 | WobWork | What was that? I couldn't hear you over how awesome that kick was... |
| 23:38.33 | NightHawkTheSane | er, what? http://i.imgur.com/Z67xb.jpg |
| 23:39.33 | Mikk | aw damn i got the quote wrong |
| 23:39.34 | Mikk | http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=746 |
| 23:40.02 | Mikk | "Metal foot! Metal foot ... to .. mantenna array! Pain level.. Shatnerian... in intensity!" |
| 23:40.03 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah i thought that sounded familiar |
| 23:40.54 | *** join/#wowuidev pompy (n=Mike@c-68-38-45-3.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 23:52.28 | WobWork | god-damnit- Mikk |
| 23:52.36 | WobWork | now I'm browsing QC at work =( |
| 23:52.39 | Mikk | grats |
| 23:52.42 | Mikk | awesome series =) |
| 23:52.44 | WobWork | this will not end well =( |
| 23:52.49 | WobWork | I've already read it all! =( |
| 23:54.25 | Adys | Cide |
| 23:55.47 | Adys | actually, anyone |
| 23:55.52 | Adys | class RelationalError(Exception) or class RelationError(Exception)? |
| 23:56.38 | WobWork | is this a grammar question? |
| 23:57.05 | Adys | both |
| 23:57.19 | Shirik | what is a relation error? |
| 23:57.26 | Mikk | class UsingJavaError(exceptionallyStupid) |
| 23:57.35 | Adys | its python you twit |
| 23:57.43 | Adys | any sort of exception that happens during the fetching of a relation |
| 23:58.10 | Adys | like the target relation doesn't exist, the target relation doesn't have a primary key, etc |
| 23:58.33 | Jerub | Adys: ConstraintError imho |
| 23:58.34 | Jerub | ;) |
| 23:58.50 | WobWork | actually agrees |
| 23:58.52 | Adys | Oo |
| 23:59.11 | Shirik | Adys: How about ThisShouldNeverHaveHappenedSoSomethingsFuckedUpError |
| 23:59.22 | Adys | i said python, not java |
| 23:59.46 | Shirik | I'm not sure how that makes a difference o.o |
| 23:59.55 | Fisker | haha Adys |
| 23:59.56 | Fisker | moar stupid |
| 23:59.58 | Fisker | http://twitter.com/wowleak |
| 23:59.59 | WobWork | although, I think RelationError is a bit broad |
