| 00:00.03 | Ancu | hello all. On avarage, how long do you guys think a realm transfer takes? |
| 00:00.49 | Thunder_Child | took me all of 6 hours iirc |
| 00:01.03 | EqualX | usually 1-2, i've been as short as 20 minutes though |
| 00:01.04 | Fisker | there's an estimate on the transfer page |
| 00:01.17 | Ancu | iirc? |
| 00:01.30 | Ancu | realy? |
| 00:01.50 | Ancu | Im doing my first transfer today |
| 00:02.08 | Ancu | any one here on malfurion? |
| 00:02.31 | Jerub | mine took an hour |
| 00:03.03 | Thunder_Child | iirc = if i remember correctly |
| 00:03.24 | Cide | iirc = if I remember correctly, iirc |
| 00:03.39 | Ancu | thanks |
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| 00:04.22 | Ancu | so what is the char select screen like if you have multiple accounts under the same bnet acount? |
| 00:08.42 | Cide | EqualX: you'll get a lot more help if you describe the problem publically instead of asking for someone to do it in private |
| 00:09.36 | EqualX | it was something i was already working on publicly |
| 00:09.56 | EqualX | wanted to avoid spamming public channel |
| 00:10.33 | EqualX | basically because i expect it to require a lot of explanation |
| 00:11.01 | Ancu | blinks twice |
| 00:11.07 | foxlit | This channel is very much in favor of addon development spam. |
| 00:11.14 | Ancu | thats not spam |
| 00:11.14 | Ancu | thats asking for help |
| 00:11.31 | Ancu | spam is saying green eggs and ham 20 million times |
| 00:11.48 | EqualX | ^my trade chat |
| 00:11.53 | Nechckn | Mmm... spam. |
| 00:12.06 | EqualX | :P but alright, gimme a couple and i'll describe it and re-link the pastey |
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| 00:12.16 | EqualX | tanking a heroic |
| 00:12.21 | Ancu | lol, that joke never gets old |
| 00:12.23 | foxlit | I mean, you're actually on topic. Without you, we'd be pondering some other unrelated problem. |
| 00:12.33 | EqualX | hahaha |
| 00:13.04 | foxlit | Like why this silly API has a method to copy a representation to a C string, but no way to tell how low much of a buffer it needs. |
| 00:13.06 | Jerub | my trade chat has been doing 'murloc movie names' for a few days now. |
| 00:13.14 | Thunder_Child | spam is taking 8 lines to mention you hit 80 |
| 00:13.25 | Kraps | [P] [80:Daviddale]: im going to go play farmville |
| 00:13.27 | Jerub | you know, Die Murloc 4.0, Return of the Murloc, Honey, I shrunk the Murlocs. |
| 00:13.38 | Kraps | the healer |
| 00:13.41 | EqualX | actually, my trade chat: anal + link = joke |
| 00:13.57 | Jerub | EqualX: yeah, we have that too sometimes :( |
| 00:14.28 | Ancu | like anal [swipe] |
| 00:14.32 | WobWork | eh |
| 00:14.35 | WobWork | there's a finisher for that |
| 00:14.40 | Fisker | hello WobWork |
| 00:14.43 | Fisker | i'm tired |
| 00:14.44 | KarlKFI|work | League of Extraordinary Murlocs? |
| 00:14.54 | WobWork | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=5025 |
| 00:15.06 | Thunder_Child | dont move it into this channel KarlKFI|work |
| 00:15.07 | WobWork | noone can beat that 'anal' link |
| 00:15.22 | Fisker | old though |
| 00:15.22 | KarlKFI|work | soooo tempting |
| 00:15.30 | WobWork | Fisker: if it works, it works =P |
| 00:15.40 | Thunder_Child | ~lart KarlKFI|work |
| 00:15.40 | purl | drops a baby grand on KarlKFI|work |
| 00:16.03 | EqualX | actually, back in BC before "anal" my trade would take common sentances/sayings and replace a noun with a link to [Gorehowl] |
| 00:16.06 | KarlKFI|work | oh come on, perl. l2lart. |
| 00:16.26 | WobWork | too many [Gorehowl] spoil the broth? |
| 00:16.27 | EqualX | like the chuck norris of items |
| 00:16.30 | Jerub | KarlKFI|work: that's the ticket. |
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| 00:17.03 | Cloudwolf | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 00:17.03 | purl | pours hot grits down the front of Thunder_Child's pants |
| 00:17.12 | KarlKFI|work | that's better |
| 00:17.12 | Cloudwolf | purl must be southern lol |
| 00:17.30 | KarlKFI|work | purl, no more grits 4 you. |
| 00:17.31 | WobWork | ~lart KarlKFI |
| 00:17.31 | purl | teaches KarlKFI the basics, including how to RTM |
| 00:18.16 | KarlKFI|work | Read The Murloc? |
| 00:18.52 | Ancu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.01 | Ancu | thats an awesome addon |
| 00:19.11 | WobWork | cnf? |
| 00:19.20 | Cloudwolf | can not fart |
| 00:19.23 | Cloudwolf | err nvm |
| 00:19.30 | Ancu | you guys ever use cnf? |
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| 00:19.44 | Ancu | chuck norris facts |
| 00:19.44 | haste | nwdnwisf! |
| 00:19.55 | WobWork | oh |
| 00:19.57 | haste | how's that an awesome add-on |
| 00:20.10 | Fisker | don't start haste |
| 00:20.13 | Ancu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.14 | Jerub | sooo. how hard is it to embed a tooltip in a html page without using any JS at all. |
| 00:20.26 | haste | sounds beyond godly useless and annoying |
| 00:20.31 | haste | I'd take Fisker over CNF anyday |
| 00:20.36 | Ancu | lol |
| 00:20.38 | WobWork | Jerub: use the alt text? |
| 00:20.49 | WobWork | or toolTip if you're using .net |
| 00:20.52 | Ancu | thats what I would do |
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| 00:20.58 | Ancu | the alt text I mean |
| 00:21.06 | haste | Jerub: you'd have to preload all the text into CSS classes and other madness then |
| 00:21.08 | Ancu | is that not what js does? |
| 00:21.13 | WobWork | toolTip just renders out to alt anyway |
| 00:21.19 | Jerub | haste: Yes. |
| 00:21.39 | Jerub | i mean a crazy whacky tooltip like you see on mmo-champ and wowhead. |
| 00:21.45 | WobWork | oh |
| 00:21.52 | WobWork | not worth it, imo =P |
| 00:21.55 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.55 | WobWork | just use js |
| 00:22.01 | haste | just cave and use JS |
| 00:22.01 | Ancu | agreed |
| 00:22.06 | Jerub | I can't, this blogging engine won't allow it. |
| 00:22.15 | haste | then you'd have to do what I said |
| 00:22.16 | Jerub | So I'm trying to figure out how to do it the hard way. |
| 00:22.26 | Jerub | haste: okay, yes. i'll do that. |
| 00:22.41 | Jerub | haste: a pointer to how to extract them would be lovely. |
| 00:22.49 | kd3 | wow item tooltips in js are pain |
| 00:22.50 | haste | that I don't have |
| 00:23.05 | haste | but doing them in pure CSS and HTML is a royal PITA |
| 00:23.06 | WobWork | http://trentrichardson.com/examples/csstooltips/ |
| 00:23.25 | haste | WobWork: that's with JS |
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| 00:23.49 | Arrowmaster | wouldnt you need a css file with either every item tooltip in the game in it or every item on the page already in it and update it everytime you update the page |
| 00:23.59 | WobWork | heh, I'm not checking, jsut googling for css tooltips =) |
| 00:24.15 | haste | Arrowmaster: you'd need one for each item link you post at least |
| 00:24.23 | haste | and then I mean. one for each item link |
| 00:24.27 | haste | even if it's a dupe |
| 00:24.27 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 00:24.29 | Fisker | you again |
| 00:24.38 | Jerub | Okay, basically what I intend to do is to put the tooltip i want into a hidden div that will be shown via an :hover css class. |
| 00:25.05 | Ancu | ~lart fisker |
| 00:25.05 | purl | hits fisker with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 00:25.07 | haste | you'd still need one div per item link |
| 00:25.12 | WobWork | http://psacake.com/web/jl.asp |
| 00:25.18 | WobWork | doesn't appear to use js |
| 00:25.24 | Ancu | did I do it wrong |
| 00:25.31 | WobWork | I could be wrong though |
| 00:25.43 | Jerub | i'm assuming it's possible |
| 00:25.44 | haste | WobWork: it doesn't |
| 00:25.48 | haste | it is possible |
| 00:26.04 | haste | still seems like a major waste of time :p |
| 00:26.06 | Fisker | don't do it Ancu |
| 00:26.50 | WobWork | from the looks of it, you render the tooltip in html within a span within the link |
| 00:27.03 | Ancu | ~lart fisker |
| 00:27.03 | purl | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats fisker until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 00:27.24 | kd3 | I'd point you at how we do tooltips on wowwiki but it's pretty complex |
| 00:27.33 | Ancu | that sounds painfull... |
| 00:27.37 | Ancu | sorry fisker |
| 00:30.49 | Ancu | realm changes are expensive |
| 00:32.48 | WobWork | yes =( |
| 00:33.41 | Kraps | tireied |
| 00:33.48 | Kraps | ah ignore that |
| 00:35.11 | Ancu | "Blizzard is not responsible for any overdraft fees or situations resulting from customers using cards with insufficient balances to cover the above costs. It is the sole responsibility of the user to ensure funds are prepared to cover all applicable fees and taxes." Is it really nessecary to state that? |
| 00:35.25 | kd3 | apparently |
| 00:36.19 | Ancu | Well, Im going in game on my drood, time for some healing action |
| 00:37.01 | Fisker | was a guy on the EU forums that wanted to sue blizzard for banning a guy who bought gold |
| 00:38.23 | Mr_Rabies | CYOA policies are pretty important when you offer a service for millions of people |
| 00:40.37 | Thunder_Child | http://kotaku.com/5443067/pac+man-gets-pac+bun |
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| 00:49.09 | Jerub | kd3: uh, i'd really like to see how you do tooltips on wowwiki and i don't care about complicated. |
| 00:49.36 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Tooltips.js |
| 00:53.25 | Thunder_Child | has anyone cancled a per-ordered game through steam? |
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| 01:19.20 | NeoTron | Ghostcrawler - "Warlock PvE dps is a little low" <- good to see that being officially stated |
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| 01:36.45 | Cide | Adys_: ping |
| 01:38.24 | Shirik | You know, I just determined Rick Astley's grammar is horrible |
| 01:38.48 | Shirik | It should be "I would neither ever give you up nor let you down" |
| 01:38.55 | Shirik | maybe without the "ever" |
| 01:38.55 | Nechckn | I take that to mean you have been listening to it, then... |
| 01:39.04 | Shirik | long story :) |
| 01:39.21 | Nechckn | mmmhmmm |
| 01:39.25 | Thunder_Child | that doesnt seem proper either Shirik |
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| 01:39.41 | WobWork | It's two statements |
| 01:39.45 | Shirik | take out the "ever" and it would be fine |
| 01:39.49 | WobWork | 1. I'm never going to give you up. |
| 01:39.54 | WobWork | 2. I'm never going to let you down. |
| 01:39.59 | Shirik | He never says "I'm" |
| 01:40.04 | WobWork | it's implied! |
| 01:40.10 | Shirik | unacceptable! |
| 01:40.11 | WobWork | in his head nod |
| 01:40.25 | WobWork | yes, unacceptable is a word! |
| 01:40.32 | Cide | his dance says everything his voice doesn't |
| 01:40.46 | Shirik | >< |
| 01:40.58 | foxlit | "neither ... nor ..."? |
| 01:41.06 | foxlit | Meh! |
| 01:41.16 | foxlit | Scrap that entire sentence and translate to Dinosaur. |
| 01:41.16 | WobWork | tis a double negative! |
| 01:41.25 | Shirik | WobWork...? |
| 01:41.38 | Shirik | neither definitely goes with nor |
| 01:41.41 | Shirik | always |
| 01:41.46 | foxlit | "I would never give you up. Also, I am never going to let you down" |
| 01:42.12 | Shirik | maybe proper semicolon usage would be appropriate |
| 01:42.21 | Shirik | "I would never give you up; never let you down" |
| 01:42.31 | Cide | doubtful |
| 01:42.47 | Shirik | though technically there should still be a "I would" |
| 01:42.51 | foxlit | that is an atrocity |
| 01:44.37 | foxlit | The addon comm topics are fun. |
| 01:44.45 | WobWork | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/S0NXt_wAu2I/AAAAAAAAKhw/djSgYv5qHak/s1600-h/jury+of+English+majors.gif |
| 01:44.47 | Thunder_Child | no, an atrocity is if you take a step back from this discussion and look at exactly what is being discussed here. |
| 01:45.24 | Nechckn | Rick Astley hate, Thunder_Child? |
| 01:45.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i suspect it's jealousy |
| 01:46.09 | NightHawkTheSane | rick astley gave up Thunder_Child and let him down. |
| 01:46.10 | Nechckn | Open the door, get on the floor, everyone walk the dinosaur. |
| 01:46.20 | NeoTron | yeah. not like you "shirroll" or "cideroll" or "wobroll" anyone or anything |
| 01:46.27 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn: not at all. More along the lines of grammatically discussing a song |
| 01:46.43 | Thunder_Child | since songs are not known for that it seems silly |
| 01:46.45 | Nechckn | Lol, gotcha. Most are quite sad in that department |
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| 01:46.56 | Thunder_Child | s/discussing/disecting/ |
| 01:47.29 | foxlit | Anyone have a PPC mac? |
| 01:47.52 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 01:48.12 | foxlit | With >= 10.5 on it? |
| 01:48.21 | NightHawkTheSane | 10.5.8 |
| 01:48.52 | foxlit | Awesome. Could I get you to test a quick look generator for me? :) |
| 01:48.59 | NightHawkTheSane | sure |
| 01:51.13 | NightHawkTheSane | you would, of course, have to provide me the file. ;) |
| 01:51.48 | foxlit | Right, just collecting some pieces together :) |
| 01:51.56 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe, no worries |
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| 02:05.10 | ShadowFire | any1 has tried to install addon studio on windows 7 ? |
| 02:05.45 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: sent you some PMs. :) |
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| 03:07.25 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5443018/theres-no-cure-for-cancer-but-we-are-hard-at-work-shaving-fly-genitalia-with-lasers |
| 03:18.02 | Thunder_Child | http://www.intel.com/consumer/products/appup.htm |
| 03:19.30 | ScytheBlade1 | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2019923/executing-machine-code-in-memory/ |
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| 03:25.38 | Iriel | Evening |
| 03:26.45 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 03:27.37 | Shirik | lol Thunder_Child |
| 03:28.25 | Shirik | also, wtf is that ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:29.52 | Thunder_Child | i want , i want, i want http://gizmodo.com/5443185/kodaks-25+foot-touchscreen-video-table |
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| 03:38.20 | Cairenn | funky |
| 03:38.45 | Thunder_Child | it's really good for BFG and DnD |
| 03:39.18 | Shirik | !quote NICK :Shii |
| 03:39.18 | batbot | Shirik, nick has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 03:39.34 | Shirik | !quote PRIVMSG #wowuidev :Hello? |
| 03:39.34 | Shiibot | Hello? |
| 03:39.35 | batbot | Shirik, privmsg has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 03:39.39 | Shirik | wtf is the command to change nick |
| 03:40.00 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:41.17 | Shirik | !quote NICK Shii |
| 03:41.17 | batbot | Shirik, nick has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 03:42.39 | Shirik | !quote NICK Shiibot |
| 03:42.39 | batbot | Shirik, nick has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 03:44.18 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: BFG and DnD? |
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| 03:45.26 | Thunder_Child | WobWork: Dungeons & Dragons, Battlefleet Gothic. Both of which use Miniatures. and both can be fitted with rfid chips |
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| 03:54.02 | Kraps | a QUEUE? on MY realm?? |
| 03:55.16 | Kraps | does every server have the same capacity or are some different? |
| 03:55.27 | EqualX | should all be ~the same |
| 03:56.06 | EqualX | might have different hardware for some |
| 03:56.10 | Thunder_Child | glad to see you joined just to bitch and moan Kraps :p |
| 03:56.40 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: no, i was just now logging in :p |
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| 03:57.37 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: LIES!! |
| 03:57.43 | Kraps | noooooooooooooooooo |
| 03:58.57 | Ancu | ~lart Kraps |
| 03:58.57 | purl | gives Kraps a good seeing to |
| 03:59.10 | Ancu | thats it 0_o |
| 03:59.18 | Ancu | ~lart Kraps |
| 03:59.18 | purl | judo chops Kraps |
| 03:59.27 | Kraps | dammit |
| 03:59.53 | Ancu | ~lart Kraps |
| 03:59.53 | purl | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, Kraps, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 03:59.54 | Kraps | i think she fell while judo chopping |
| 04:00.00 | Shirik | !reload |
| 04:00.01 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 04:00.02 | Ancu | thats better |
| 04:00.38 | Ancu | acctualy pearl whispered me that somone already said that 9 seconds ago |
| 04:02.04 | Shirik | ew |
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| 04:02.17 | Shirik | Stefan Cornelius discovered that GIMP did not correctly handle certain malformed BMP files. If a user were tricked into opening a specially crafted BMP file, an attacker could execute arbitrary code with the user's privileges. (CVE-2009-1570) |
| 04:02.43 | Ancu | lol |
| 04:03.25 | Shirik | how old is BMP? |
| 04:03.30 | Shirik | I wonder how long that bug has existed |
| 04:04.06 | Ancu | its gimp, not bmp that has the issue |
| 04:04.23 | Ancu | its how gimp handles it, Im sure ms paint handles it fine |
| 04:04.25 | Shirik | I know, but gimp's BMP support would have been in approximately as long as BMP has been around (or as long as gimp has been around) |
| 04:05.20 | Ancu | agreed, it must be a long standing bug |
| 04:05.44 | Ancu | Im surprised that it is only being found now |
| 04:08.03 | Ancu | so what was with that telnet bug that I heard about |
| 04:09.17 | EqualX | Alrighty, so, anyone interested in helping me walk through my code and pick out the fail? ^.^ |
| 04:09.21 | Shirik | telnet? People still use it? |
| 04:09.31 | Iriel | Telnet is awesome |
| 04:09.40 | A-KO | I use telnet as a tcp connection tester |
| 04:09.42 | A-KO | lol |
| 04:10.52 | EqualX | behold, my massive code :P http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131119 |
| 04:11.26 | EqualX | (was told a few hours ago to spill my ideas across the chat until someone got tired of it and decided to help :P) |
| 04:11.56 | Iriel | I think you need to tell us what the error is too |
| 04:12.10 | EqualX | oh, probably :P |
| 04:12.32 | Iriel | This code looks familiar, have you asked about it before? |
| 04:12.41 | EqualX | the error is that when i'm trying to display mp5, it's not adjusting for the difference in incasting vs out of casting |
| 04:12.44 | EqualX | a couple months ago |
| 04:13.04 | EqualX | or, more specifically, it can't tell when the player's inside the 5sr |
| 04:14.10 | Xinhuan | i don't think you can tell at all, apart from monitoring the combat log and using heuristics to determine/guess whether you are in 5sr or not |
| 04:14.21 | Iriel | Xinhuan: he's sort of doing that |
| 04:14.25 | EqualX | how it works: *basically* my addon references a global variable (stored per character) SSP_Options which contains several settings... three of these settings, "First" "Second" and "Third" are strings which correspond to entries in a giant function list table near the top of the code... then it calls those functions and displays the results on screen |
| 04:14.32 | Iriel | Xinhuan: with UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED |
| 04:14.35 | EqualX | yup |
| 04:14.46 | Iriel | though I dont know why you're doing UnitIsUnit, rather than just arg1 == "player" |
| 04:14.52 | EqualX | what i've got going is a frame, SSP_ManaFrame |
| 04:14.56 | EqualX | (someone told me to) |
| 04:15.03 | EqualX | i was doing arg1 == player before ;P |
| 04:15.10 | Iriel | They were misguided |
| 04:15.11 | EqualX | he said it was more reliable |
| 04:15.13 | EqualX | lol |
| 04:15.14 | WobWork | inserts how one should always check if one is a hunter, just in case. |
| 04:16.04 | Iriel | Have you run the code with debugging print statements every time you change the value of SSP_ManaFrame.In5SecRule to make sure that code WORKS? |
| 04:16.47 | EqualX | anyways, the mana frame is shown or hidden (i think, this is actually where i suspect my error is), and then expected to use attached variables to keep track of whether or not you're inside the 5sr, using a timer, and some event listening |
| 04:17.07 | EqualX | sort of, but not overtly |
| 04:17.14 | Iriel | If it's hidden OnUpdate doesn't work |
| 04:17.18 | EqualX | basically, the error is that it always assumes it's outside the 5sr |
| 04:17.20 | EqualX | yeah |
| 04:17.37 | Iriel | I didn't spot code to hide it, but I didn't look very hard |
| 04:17.43 | Iriel | What's the point of the UNIT_MANA check? |
| 04:17.48 | EqualX | clearcasting |
| 04:17.52 | Ancu | ~lart fisker |
| 04:17.52 | purl | send killer squirrels to attack fisker |
| 04:18.01 | EqualX | if mana isn't spent |
| 04:18.03 | EqualX | it shouldn't think it was |
| 04:18.23 | Iriel | Hm but you dont track what the mana value IS |
| 04:18.27 | Iriel | so you're making some big assumptions |
| 04:18.28 | Iriel | but ok |
| 04:18.34 | Xinhuan | loads of abilities don't cost mana to cast |
| 04:18.38 | Iriel | My point twas, HAVE YOU TESTED THAT CODE 8-) |
| 04:18.51 | EqualX | lol probably not enough :( |
| 04:18.52 | Iriel | Because that's the part that looks shakiest to me |
| 04:19.02 | EqualX | like, i'm unsure as to how to do that |
| 04:19.07 | Iriel | And for some reason In5SecRule seems to be backwards |
| 04:19.17 | EqualX | which line |
| 04:19.25 | Iriel | Well, print a message whenever it goes from true to false, or false to true |
| 04:19.35 | Iriel | and then run around spellcasting and make sure it transitions when you expect it to |
| 04:19.41 | Iriel | 222/225 |
| 04:19.56 | Iriel | You have In5SecondRule = true when you're **OUTSIDE** of the 5 second rule |
| 04:20.01 | Iriel | and false when you're INSIDE of it |
| 04:20.16 | Iriel | Doubly wierd because you initialize the flag as 'false' instead of 'true' |
| 04:20.27 | EqualX | *looks* |
| 04:20.36 | Xinhuan | what sets self.MP5bool to true? |
| 04:20.50 | Xinhuan | because i don't see any code doing it |
| 04:20.54 | Xinhuan | so its always nil |
| 04:20.54 | Iriel | Xinhuan: good question on that too |
| 04:20.57 | EqualX | sec |
| 04:21.21 | Iriel | This would all be flushed out if you had print statements in the code 8-) |
| 04:21.22 | EqualX | lol i won't lie, this afternoon was the first time i've looked at this since i was posting here a few months ago, so i'm sure there are some pretty stupid holes |
| 04:21.50 | Xinhuan | i strongly suggest you use print("a") print("b") etc statements everywhere |
| 04:22.08 | EqualX | yeah |
| 04:22.09 | Xinhuan | before asking for help again :) |
| 04:22.14 | EqualX | i'm taking out the MP5bool thing |
| 04:22.30 | EqualX | cause that's old code |
| 04:22.35 | EqualX | that is clearly messing it up |
| 04:22.42 | Iriel | goes back to the android SDK install. |
| 04:23.00 | EqualX | because someone suggested showing the frame instead of using var checking earlier, so it hadn't gotten changed, but i'm on it |
| 04:23.23 | Iriel | Yes, I would recommend that also |
| 04:23.33 | Iriel | Show the frame when you need the timer, hide it when the timer is done with |
| 04:24.20 | Xinhuan | a tip with code debugging, if something is wrong, or you suspect is not working right, first make sure the codepath you are testing is actually executing first |
| 04:24.49 | EqualX | yeah v.v I actually was pretty sure it wasn't but couldn't figure out why |
| 04:25.04 | EqualX | but it was the bool thing... i'm just a little out of it with the code still |
| 04:25.14 | Xinhuan | otherwise you'll just spend hours wondering why a function is not working when it never gets called, or the execution path of the code etc |
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| 04:26.32 | EqualX | so Iriel, or anyone, pros and cons of UnitIsUnit vs arg1 == Unit("player" |
| 04:26.52 | Xinhuan | arg1 == "player" is a memory address check to see if they are the same string |
| 04:26.57 | Xinhuan | UnitisUnit is a function call |
| 04:27.02 | Xinhuan | one is about say, 100x faster than the other |
| 04:27.34 | EqualX | okay, that makes a lot of sense... i was told UnitIsUnit was more "reliable" though |
| 04:27.48 | Xinhuan | they are both reliable |
| 04:28.04 | Xinhuan | or in this specific case |
| 04:28.15 | Xinhuan | because "player" always refers to you, its a constant that can't change |
| 04:28.16 | EqualX | mmk, then i'll remain unconfused :P |
| 04:28.18 | EqualX | yeah |
| 04:28.34 | Xinhuan | UnitIsUnit() is more used with variable unitIDs, like "party1" |
| 04:28.38 | Xinhuan | which could be any unit |
| 04:28.59 | Iriel | Ususally you'd use UnitIsUnit to avoid double-counting something |
| 04:29.04 | Iriel | e.g. if you have yourself targetted |
| 04:29.11 | Iriel | then UnitIsUnit will return true for "player" and "target" |
| 04:29.17 | Iriel | But you'd still get the event for "player" |
| 04:29.22 | Iriel | so there's no need to double-count |
| 04:29.38 | EqualX | alrighty |
| 04:29.48 | WobWork | ... someone is playing Children by Robert Miles |
| 04:29.55 | WobWork | or maybe it's a remix |
| 04:30.53 | Xinhuan | by the way EqualX |
| 04:31.03 | Xinhuan | you might want to redefine your round(num) function at the very top lol |
| 04:31.27 | Xinhuan | local function round(num) return floor(num+0.5) end |
| 04:33.07 | Xinhuan | or since its to 2 decimal places |
| 04:33.29 | Xinhuan | local function round(num) return floor(num * 100 +0.5)/100 end |
| 04:33.39 | Xinhuan | it'll definitely be more efficient than creating strings hehe |
| 04:34.05 | Iriel | WobWork: I have that album somewhere |
| 04:34.51 | EqualX | hah probably, i'm pretty sure i saw that on the Lua site though... but yeah, i'm always worried about efficiency |
| 04:35.26 | EqualX | also, Iriel, looks like you were right, it's working now, but backwards... and the number's wrong... |
| 04:36.53 | Jerub | this is really interesting: http://quickarmory.com/stats/?c=Druid#Restoration |
| 04:37.44 | EqualX | Oh, Xinhuan |
| 04:37.56 | EqualX | does the floor function you gave truncate the decimal values |
| 04:38.04 | EqualX | that was the purpose of using strings |
| 04:38.16 | Xinhuan | that's the whole point |
| 04:38.36 | Xinhuan | lua> local function round(num) return floor(num * 100 +0.5)/100 end print(round(123.4567)) |
| 04:38.36 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'floor' (a nil value) |
| 04:38.38 | EqualX | right right, was just trying to remember why I might have gone with strings |
| 04:38.43 | Xinhuan | lua> local function round(num) return math.floor(num * 100 +0.5)/100 end print(round(123.4567)) |
| 04:38.44 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 123.46 |
| 04:39.07 | Xinhuan | you don't need the "math." prefix at least, in wow |
| 04:39.31 | EqualX | hmm alright |
| 04:39.35 | EqualX | thanks! |
| 04:39.50 | foxlit | Jerub: I wonder if that includes all 80s |
| 04:39.56 | foxlit | s/all/only/ too |
| 04:40.08 | Jerub | foxlit: it includes anyone who's been looked up using that tool |
| 04:40.11 | Xinhuan | what do the math.modf()s do in your code? |
| 04:40.31 | Jerub | # Searching 230,543 character builds. |
| 04:40.34 | Jerub | according to that page4 |
| 04:40.42 | foxlit | Jerub: meh, noisy. |
| 04:40.49 | foxlit | And it's not seen one feral druid? |
| 04:40.56 | foxlit | [nevermind] |
| 04:41.13 | Jerub | tee hee. just saw the 'feral' tab up the top? |
| 04:41.23 | foxlit | Indeed! |
| 04:41.32 | Xinhuan | i mean |
| 04:41.41 | Xinhuan | are you calling modf, just because you want the integer part? |
| 04:41.50 | Jerub | http://quickarmory.com/stats/ is the main page, it's not obvious how to get back |
| 04:41.55 | Xinhuan | if you are, just return floor(retval) |
| 04:42.01 | EqualX | yes |
| 04:42.06 | EqualX | that was is *was looking* |
| 04:42.25 | Jerub | it's annoying though. this doesn't distinguish between 'tank' and 'dps' for feral. :/ |
| 04:43.31 | EqualX | okay |
| 04:43.45 | EqualX | *still editing rounding function so I can convince myself it's correct* |
| 04:44.00 | Xinhuan | how can it not be correct lol |
| 04:44.07 | EqualX | sorry, it's been a while |
| 04:44.11 | Xinhuan | after teh floor(), the number is an integer |
| 04:44.11 | EqualX | sooo out of it |
| 04:44.14 | EqualX | oh |
| 04:44.15 | Xinhuan | dividing it by 100 |
| 04:44.18 | Jerub | sigh, looking at my achievemnet list i feel like oding a naxx achievement run |
| 04:44.24 | Xinhuan | would give it to 2 dec places |
| 04:44.34 | Jerub | i only need 6 to get all the 10man ones |
| 04:44.48 | Xinhuan | Jerub, i can't convince anyone to do a immortal run anymore |
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| 04:45.13 | Jerub | Xinhuan: yeah that'd be the hardest. |
| 04:45.22 | Jerub | does it have to be a full clear and no deaths? |
| 04:45.25 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 04:45.50 | EqualX | only on boss fights though |
| 04:46.02 | EqualX | can die to trash |
| 04:46.41 | Xinhuan | still annoying because the chances of a d/c death is far higher than any other |
| 04:46.52 | foxlit | Jerub: more moonkins take intensity than dreamstate. |
| 04:46.58 | foxlit | I think that calls for some forum whining |
| 04:47.03 | EqualX | ^^the smart ones |
| 04:47.06 | Jerub | http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=2186#comments comments are HILARIOUS |
| 04:47.12 | EqualX | intensity is more mana returned |
| 04:47.23 | foxlit | Indeed, which is moronic for a low-resto talent. |
| 04:47.29 | EqualX | yeah |
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| 04:49.21 | Xinhuan | ... login queue on a friday morning. |
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| 04:50.39 | EqualX | hmm, changing the round changed some of my return values |
| 04:50.58 | EqualX | or |
| 04:51.05 | EqualX | maybe it was flooring instead of modf'ing |
| 04:51.10 | DWSR | http://is.gd/5TpLp <-- OK everyone, time for comments. |
| 04:51.16 | EqualX | cause MP5 seems to be the only value changed |
| 04:51.30 | EqualX | it is now "more incorrect" for whatever it's worth |
| 04:51.34 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 04:52.00 | Adys_ | Cide: pong |
| 04:52.01 | EqualX | well |
| 04:52.24 | EqualX | things are backwards, so when i'm in 5sr, it's displaying o5sr and so on |
| 04:52.39 | ZorbaTHut | that, at least, should be easy to fix |
| 04:52.40 | EqualX | but it's showing my mp5 while casting as -4 instead of 0 |
| 04:52.43 | EqualX | yeah |
| 04:52.51 | ZorbaTHut | time to debug |
| 04:52.52 | Xinhuan | err maybe your formula is wrong |
| 04:52.57 | EqualX | time to go see if blizz changed the mp5 formula since i last looked |
| 04:53.02 | EqualX | (probably is) |
| 04:53.24 | EqualX | could swear it was right when i wrote it though, i tested it on some 80s |
| 04:53.31 | Cide | Adys: why is it called PyQt instead of QtPy? |
| 04:54.01 | Xinhuan | doesn't GetManaRegen() already take into account everything |
| 04:54.05 | Xinhuan | including spirit, etc |
| 04:54.06 | Xinhuan | and talents |
| 04:54.20 | EqualX | it didn't when i coded it in october |
| 04:54.23 | EqualX | something about forgetting spirit |
| 04:54.42 | EqualX | i'll comment that and see, because it's probably better now |
| 04:54.45 | Xinhuan | try taking off something with spirit |
| 04:54.46 | DWSR | http://is.gd/5TpLp <-- OK everyone, time for comments. |
| 04:54.53 | Jerub | it certainly doesn't take into account ephermeral snowflake |
| 04:54.55 | Xinhuan | and see how much your mp5 value goes down by |
| 04:55.10 | Adys | Cide: because Cutiepie for a GUI module didnt sound serious |
| 04:55.18 | EqualX | yeah, Jerub it's just the char sheet :( I have no way to do the wonderful snowflake trinket i love so much |
| 04:55.36 | Cide | ephemeral snowflake gives haste on use |
| 04:55.42 | Xinhuan | but as far as i know, GetmanaRegen already counts your spirit |
| 04:55.46 | kdtresh | DWSR: my comment is "is it supposed to be a big 'NOT FOUND'?" |
| 04:55.56 | Jerub | Cide: snowflake is the druid mp5 trinket. |
| 04:55.57 | DWSR | err...I get it just fine.. |
| 04:55.59 | Jerub | WG = free mana |
| 04:56.09 | EqualX | like i said, probably does but when i did this in october, i spent hours figuring that out because it didn't |
| 04:56.11 | Cide | I have it equipped |
| 04:56.42 | Jerub | i'm thinking i'm going to go from purified shard of the scale/flame to pickled egg + snowflkake |
| 04:56.52 | Cide | snowflake gives haste on use, 11 mana on cast |
| 04:56.59 | kdtresh | might be a bandwidth issue, i had to reload several times before it started pulling the image |
| 04:57.05 | EqualX | snowflake has an ICD now because of shadow priests |
| 04:57.08 | Cide | how would a GetManaRegen() know how often you're casting? |
| 04:57.09 | DWSR | kdtresh: Try http://is.gd/5TqUa |
| 04:57.12 | EqualX | so it won't double tick |
| 04:57.25 | DWSR | Anyone know if HDImage disallows hotlinking? |
| 04:57.31 | EqualX | it doesn't, GetManaRegen() returns a calculated value for in and out |
| 04:57.33 | foxlit | works for me. |
| 04:57.43 | Cide | exactly |
| 04:57.51 | Cide | <Jerub> it certainly doesn't take into account ephermeral snowflake |
| 04:58.02 | Cide | not really a limitation :P |
| 04:58.02 | Xinhuan | by the way, if you want the fractional part of a number, you can just do |
| 04:58.06 | Xinhuan | num % 1 |
| 04:58.13 | Xinhuan | i.e divide by 1 and return the remainder :) |
| 04:58.15 | foxlit | You might be better off using the new intrapolated UnitMana returns |
| 04:58.20 | Jerub | well, blizz loves to put procs on gear and then not specify them properly. |
| 04:58.28 | DWSR | foxlit: Interpolated? |
| 04:58.33 | Xinhuan | % operator is far faster than a function call |
| 04:58.33 | Jerub | and then when someone QQs on a forum they like to juggle the specs |
| 04:58.56 | Cide | you can't calculate how many times a trinket procs per second on average since it depends on your actions |
| 04:58.57 | EqualX | well |
| 04:59.03 | Jerub | but blizz seems to not increase/decrease stats on items nearly as often. ;) |
| 04:59.04 | EqualX | oh i think i might know |
| 04:59.17 | foxlit | DWSR: well, yes, but my prefix has appeal :) |
| 04:59.22 | EqualX | i messed up order of operations (or they changed it) |
| 04:59.30 | DWSR | lol |
| 04:59.35 | EqualX | wait no no no |
| 04:59.40 | EqualX | need to check on a char that has mp5 on gear |
| 04:59.43 | DWSR | EqualX: When you're unsure, use brackets. |
| 04:59.52 | DWSR | Brackets are always highest precedence. |
| 04:59.55 | EqualX | spirit gets floored, then added to gears mp5 |
| 05:00.06 | EqualX | which is why the math looks funny |
| 05:00.20 | Xinhuan | the math's only funny because you're using unnecessary function calls hehe |
| 05:00.23 | Adys | Cide: that was funny :( |
| 05:00.24 | EqualX | it's off on this character because it's getting floored before being multiplied by 5, not after |
| 05:00.39 | EqualX | since GetManaRegen() returns mp1, not mp5 |
| 05:01.17 | Xinhuan | ya, its weird why blizz did it that way |
| 05:01.19 | Cide | Adys: what was? |
| 05:02.28 | Adys | [06:53:31] <+Cide> Adys: why is it called PyQt instead of QtPy? |
| 05:02.28 | Adys | [06:55:10] <Adys> Cide: because Cutiepie for a GUI module didnt sound serious |
| 05:02.38 | Cide | that was what I was implying :P |
| 05:02.44 | Cide | but I think it'd be an awesome name |
| 05:02.54 | DWSR | http://is.gd/5TqUa <-- COMMENTS! I NEEDZ DEM! |
| 05:02.58 | EqualX | awesome name > people taking something seriously |
| 05:03.17 | Adys | as i said, pyqt sucks |
| 05:03.21 | Adys | pyside is a lot better |
| 05:03.25 | kdtresh | DWSR: sometimes less is more. |
| 05:03.31 | Cide | documentation for pyside is lacking |
| 05:03.41 | Adys | think its lackingmore than the pyqt one? :P |
| 05:03.46 | Adys | I had to ref to the c++ doc |
| 05:03.51 | Cide | shrug, dunno |
| 05:03.57 | Cide | what's the diff anyway? |
| 05:03.58 | Adys | also, python modules usually have pretty awesome names |
| 05:04.01 | DWSR | kdtresh: Suggestions? |
| 05:04.18 | Adys | Python MSN implementation is called papyion |
| 05:04.18 | DWSR | That may or may not tell you their function. |
| 05:04.33 | Cide | what's the difference between pyqt and pyside? |
| 05:04.36 | Adys | Cide: uh, its more recent, its more supported |
| 05:05.03 | EqualX | hmm |
| 05:05.05 | Cide | k |
| 05:05.09 | EqualX | math is closer to correct now |
| 05:05.15 | Cide | I'll check it out |
| 05:05.22 | Adys | http://www.gametrailers.com/video/angry-video-screwattack/60452 |
| 05:05.25 | Adys | anyone able to load the vid? |
| 05:05.45 | EqualX | should probably simply add that it can't have negative regen somewhere, after i make sure it works on a couple characters :P |
| 05:06.20 | EqualX | (it's only 0 because of small numbers, no base gear, and errors due to flooring) |
| 05:06.21 | DWSR | Adys: Wow, just saw the ME2 ad. |
| 05:06.24 | DWSR | Looks fucking sick. |
| 05:06.30 | DWSR | And yes, vid loads fine. |
| 05:06.38 | Adys | meh |
| 05:06.41 | Adys | ill just dl it |
| 05:06.42 | Xinhuan | i seriously doubt anyone cares about fractional mana regen |
| 05:06.51 | WobWork | yep |
| 05:06.57 | Cide | s/fractional// |
| 05:06.58 | EqualX | i just want it to match the character sheet |
| 05:07.17 | Xinhuan | that's easy |
| 05:07.20 | Xinhuan | just open the default UI code |
| 05:07.21 | Xinhuan | and copy it |
| 05:07.40 | EqualX | which requires obnoxious math, mostly because when you have spirit-based regen and mp5 from gear, the GetManaRegen() command is screwy |
| 05:07.59 | EqualX | mmmm (doesn't have that code on hand, because i'm lame) |
| 05:08.26 | tekkub | http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source |
| 05:09.04 | Xinhuan | the default UI |
| 05:09.11 | Xinhuan | just multiplies it by 5, then floors it |
| 05:09.18 | Xinhuan | and displays that integer |
| 05:09.31 | EqualX | but that's only the spirit part |
| 05:09.42 | EqualX | mp5 on gear is added after that |
| 05:09.59 | EqualX | if you add them in the other order, it's wrong |
| 05:10.01 | Xinhuan | but you want it to match the char frame |
| 05:10.03 | Adys | man |
| 05:10.08 | Xinhuan | i'm telling you the char frame does exactly what i said |
| 05:10.11 | EqualX | hmm |
| 05:10.11 | Adys | the bazaar mailing list guys are awesome |
| 05:10.22 | Adys | s/mailing list // |
| 05:10.35 | Xinhuan | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131132 |
| 05:10.39 | Xinhuan | there, the exact code |
| 05:10.54 | EqualX | huh |
| 05:10.56 | EqualX | okay |
| 05:10.57 | Xinhuan | from lines 1002-1019 in PaperDollFrame.lua |
| 05:11.14 | Xinhuan | you're thinking too much |
| 05:11.20 | EqualX | thanks lol, my bad... and to think, i spent a full afternoon dicking with that a few months ago -.- |
| 05:13.28 | EqualX | i pulled a bunch of exterraneous variable defs now, since the math got simpler ;p |
| 05:17.44 | EqualX | now i move on to implementing dropdown menus and a couple more preferences, since the current slash command method of changing displayed variables is pretty terrible |
| 05:18.06 | Xinhuan | shouldn't be hard |
| 05:18.10 | Xinhuan | menus are easy |
| 05:18.45 | EqualX | would you suggest using wow's addon pref's menu thingy, or just making a frame with dropdowns and a "close" button |
| 05:18.52 | Xinhuan | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15763 |
| 05:18.54 | Xinhuan | here |
| 05:19.50 | EqualX | ahh yes, I was reading about them in the wowprogramming book |
| 05:20.00 | EqualX | that'll probably be helpful though, as i can do a search :P |
| 05:20.57 | EqualX | hmm |
| 05:21.22 | Xinhuan | you'll probably find my little guide easier to understand |
| 05:21.24 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 05:21.44 | Xinhuan | since, i'm going to assume you probably do have omen installed on your system |
| 05:22.06 | EqualX | above though, i meant: should I embed my dropdowns and preferences menu into the built-in wow menu (interface options) or should I just make it into a standalone frame, because it's very small and simple (three dropdowns, some text, and a checkbox and close button) |
| 05:22.22 | EqualX | yeah that's sitting around somewhere, I use it embarrasingly infrequently |
| 05:24.03 | EqualX | oh, before i forget and while you're still here since you browsed my code |
| 05:24.42 | EqualX | should I set SSP_ManaFrame's parent to the main frame, or should i leave it on it's own? the advantage being that closing the main frame should hide it as well |
| 05:25.00 | EqualX | ... actually nvm i'll just add another line to the close button, problem solved |
| 05:25.21 | Xinhuan | that's up to you |
| 05:26.10 | Xinhuan | if you really care about CPU usage, if the addon is hidden, you could even unregister all the events |
| 05:26.15 | Xinhuan | and re-register them on showing |
| 05:26.27 | EqualX | same effect, I suppose, but it means that if I change the functionality of the main frame for some reason later, it's less likely i'll have issues |
| 05:26.33 | EqualX | at least, in my head |
| 05:26.55 | Cide | or you don't and remember that it's 2010 and not 1992 |
| 05:27.10 | EqualX | ? |
| 05:27.10 | Xinhuan | though it should be obvious that if you do it that way or disable certain functionality while hidden |
| 05:27.19 | Cide | no need to unregister events for such a simple addon |
| 05:27.21 | Xinhuan | on showing it, your mp5 value won't be accurate for the first 5 secs |
| 05:27.53 | EqualX | oh, that should be taken care of by the function which it is refreshed in |
| 05:27.53 | Thunder_Child | Cide: it's not exactly a bad habbit |
| 05:27.57 | Xinhuan | since you won't know when your last spellcast is without an OnUpdate |
| 05:28.00 | Xinhuan | that is running |
| 05:28.04 | Cide | it is a bad habit |
| 05:28.09 | EqualX | every time the window is open, the whole thing is redrawn (effectivly) |
| 05:28.16 | Cide | do it if you find that it uses excessive amounts of cpu |
| 05:30.15 | Adys | is there an extension to the torrent protocol that allows addition of new files? |
| 05:30.24 | Adys | or modification of old ones |
| 05:31.21 | Xinhuan | well blizzard downloader does it |
| 05:31.27 | Xinhuan | although we don't know how |
| 05:31.33 | Adys | uh, does it? |
| 05:31.35 | Xinhuan | it might just really be a brand new torrent |
| 05:31.47 | Xinhuan | but it just rechecks the existing parts downloaded |
| 05:31.53 | Adys | ahhh |
| 05:31.56 | EqualX | ^^ that one |
| 05:31.58 | Adys | no i think its a new torrent |
| 05:31.59 | EqualX | pretty sure |
| 05:32.07 | Adys | containing the old files |
| 05:32.10 | Xinhuan | a few days ago i had a 18.9gb torrent (book 1-11) |
| 05:32.16 | Xinhuan | then book 12 was released |
| 05:32.28 | Xinhuan | a new torrent was on isohunt, all 20 gb |
| 05:32.37 | Adys | yeah my point |
| 05:32.38 | Xinhuan | i merely pointed the new torrent to the 18.9 already downloaded |
| 05:32.47 | Xinhuan | and the first 90% passed hashed check |
| 05:33.09 | Adys | well, it doesnt need much not to pass hashing |
| 05:33.46 | Adys | it shouldnt be really hard to add that capability |
| 05:34.24 | Xinhuan | it isn't hard to just make a new torrent either, its just a few kb file, but you do lose the entire swarm from the old torrent |
| 05:34.25 | Adys | owner of the torrent uses a public key to flag himself as owner, and can add files and broadcast them to all peers |
| 05:34.47 | Adys | also, what about modifying files Xinhuan? |
| 05:35.01 | Adys | on movies/music thats not common, but on anything text, sure |
| 05:35.11 | Xinhuan | i'm not sure i would appreciate if what i'm downloading halfway gets modified |
| 05:35.22 | Adys | well it could prompt |
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| 05:35.39 | Xinhuan | and then what? what if i want the older version |
| 05:35.45 | Xinhuan | it wouldn't be available anymore |
| 05:35.58 | Adys | i guess, hm |
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| 05:43.50 | Nechckn | So... I tend to both do a ton of alts and to focus on crafting and then ignore it for a while. My tiny brain forgets the points where Master and Grand Master are, tbh. |
| 05:44.09 | Nechckn | Is there somewhere in the UI that shows the actual name of your tradeskill? |
| 05:44.21 | kd3 | spell frame? |
| 05:44.21 | Iriel | Your base skills page |
| 05:44.22 | Nechckn | bah.. tradeskill level, that is |
| 05:44.28 | Iriel | K for your level |
| 05:44.39 | Nechckn | Ahhh! |
| 05:44.40 | Shirik | Adys, I think this thing has lost its mind |
| 05:44.41 | Shirik | that is all |
| 05:44.41 | Nechckn | Awesome |
| 05:44.53 | Shirik | it's back up to On average, its run time is 2.36ms, and it consumes 38 conditions of the condition limit. |
| 05:45.02 | Nechckn | Thank you, Iriel you have no idea how much that helps! |
| 05:45.15 | DWSR | http://is.gd/5TqUa <-- COMMENTS! I NEEDZ DEM! |
| 05:45.18 | Shirik | it uses short-circuit logic, so it may just be that for a very long streak it happened to break off in one of the early conditions before the regex |
| 05:45.20 | Nechckn | and kd3 =) |
| 05:45.51 | Nechckn | I can usually remmeber the number where one ends and such but was having a bear of a time. Thank you! |
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| 05:46.12 | Kraps | why is this evony chick sweating? |
| 05:47.26 | Shirik | because it's evony |
| 05:47.29 | Shirik | that's not on wowi, is it? |
| 05:48.14 | Kraps | wowhead |
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| 05:49.49 | Kraps | not worth the emblems imo http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=48456 |
| 05:50.54 | haste | you aren't comparing anything! |
| 05:51.30 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=48456;46162 |
| 05:51.36 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.59 | Jerub | Kraps: it is for the T9 bonus if you care about it |
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| 05:54.14 | Kraps | the offset helm and shoulders are 1 tier better, so the breastplate would only make 3 |
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| 06:00.10 | Adys | Shirik: what who has? |
| 06:03.22 | Kraps | i love sitting in dalaran's beer garden |
| 06:19.09 | Adys | nevcairiel: you around? |
| 06:21.55 | mikma | oh hay, ip address instead of name, thanks tem |
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| 06:42.42 | Adys | !api GetSp |
| 06:42.42 | lua_bot | Found 16 possible matches for 'GetSp'. Please be more specific |
| 06:42.44 | Adys | !api GetSpellL |
| 06:42.45 | lua_bot | GetSpellLink: Returns a hyperlink for a spell (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetSpellLink) |
| 06:59.30 | PProvost | ~seen Tuller |
| 06:59.32 | purl | tuller <n=muffins@pool-72-84-246-12.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 9d 4h 32m 34s ago, saying: 'BINDING_NAME_FOCUSTARGET'. |
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| 07:50.30 | Adys | can someone give me a google.com ip? |
| 07:50.49 | Jerub | dig google.com @8.8.8.8 |
| 07:50.56 | Jerub | 66.102.11.104 |
| 07:51.28 | Adys | grr its not the dns |
| 07:51.31 | Adys | just high packet loss :/ |
| 07:58.12 | Shirik | ? |
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| 08:11.44 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:12.56 | tekkub | is there any time, outside of WG, where you might be in a vehicle as a casting passenger |
| 08:13.14 | tekkub | I.E. you still cast the same ol spells you normally do |
| 08:13.19 | smcn | strand of the ancients |
| 08:13.39 | tekkub | non-pvp, like on flame levi? |
| 08:13.42 | tekkub | <--- doesn't raid |
| 08:13.53 | smcn | never did ulduar |
| 08:14.00 | tekkub | anyone who has? |
| 08:17.58 | Adys | tekkub: maybe when you're on flame leviathan destroying the towers |
| 08:18.04 | Adys | actually, yes definitely |
| 08:18.11 | Adys | since we were sending a healer there too |
| 08:18.24 | tekkub | okey |
| 08:19.23 | tekkub | you're in a vehicle then? |
| 08:19.30 | tekkub | or are you out running around like normal? |
| 08:20.05 | Adys | you're on a vehicle seat, afaik |
| 08:20.11 | Adys | well, "seat" |
| 08:20.40 | tekkub | what I'm after here is, Cork and vehicles |
| 08:20.52 | tekkub | it currently doesn't tell you to buff players that are in a vehicle |
| 08:21.02 | tekkub | but it doesn't have any special case for when YOU are in a vehicle |
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| 08:21.18 | tekkub | cause it can't tell if you can buff or not |
| 08:21.23 | nevcairiel | Adys: still need something? |
| 08:21.31 | tekkub | i.e. if you have a vehicle bar or a normal bar |
| 08:21.40 | Adys | nevcairiel: uhm , nah i think i fixed it |
| 08:21.44 | Adys | was imagemagick |
| 08:26.12 | tekkub | ah! UnitHasVehicleUI('player') |
| 08:29.04 | Fisker | stalks |
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| 08:49.03 | Fisker | plants a bomb in Antiarc |
| 09:00.16 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://2.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kvvmfv10rz1qasg8bo1_500.jpg |
| 09:09.06 | myrkraverk | if I want to hide the user interface, with some exceptions, where do I start? |
| 09:10.19 | DWSR | Alt+Z |
| 09:10.44 | myrkraverk | erm, "with some exceptions" |
| 09:11.27 | DWSR | You'll have to specifically call frame:Hide() for every frame that you want to hide. |
| 09:12.19 | myrkraverk | Ok, is there a way to loop through all of them? |
| 09:12.27 | DWSR | err.. |
| 09:12.35 | Wobin | yes |
| 09:12.35 | DWSR | "loop"? |
| 09:12.52 | Wobin | !api enumerate |
| 09:12.52 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'enumerate': VoiceEnumerateOutputDevices, EnumerateServerChannels, VoiceEnumerateCaptureDevices, EnumerateFrames |
| 09:12.57 | Wobin | !api enumerateframes |
| 09:12.57 | lua_bot | EnumerateFrames: Returns the next frame following the frame passed, or nil if no more frames exist (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/EnumerateFrames) |
| 09:13.04 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 09:13.45 | myrkraverk | Ok, that's great -- is there a "first frame"? |
| 09:14.39 | mikma | like, president frame's wife? |
| 09:15.07 | Wobin | call it without an argument |
| 09:15.13 | Wobin | like the example shows =P |
| 09:15.35 | myrkraverk | oh, sorry, didn't look yet >.< |
| 09:15.50 | myrkraverk | (teach you to ask questions bleary eyed in the morning) |
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| 09:26.20 | zenzio | Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/07/funny-pictures-editor-kitty/ |
| 09:31.54 | Fisker | one of these days zenzelezz |
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| 09:39.41 | myrkraverk | !api log |
| 09:39.41 | lua_bot | log: Returns the natural logarithm of a number (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/log) |
| 09:40.04 | myrkraverk | hmm, is there something I can print that can (or is) logged? |
| 09:40.29 | zenzio | to file? |
| 09:40.41 | myrkraverk | yes |
| 09:40.48 | zenzio | don't believe so |
| 09:41.01 | myrkraverk | ;/ |
| 09:41.09 | Elkano | well, stor in in a table, mark the table as a saved variable and check the SVs after logout |
| 09:41.20 | Elkano | ...store it in... |
| 09:41.32 | myrkraverk | yeah, that'll work |
| 09:42.16 | Elkano | since our limited file io is only during login/logout/reload |
| 09:46.14 | myrkraverk | yeah, I was just hoping I could put stuff in the Logs directiory |
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| 10:09.28 | myrkraverk | Where can I see a list of functions I can apply to a frame? frame:function() |
| 10:11.35 | zenzio | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets |
| 10:11.38 | kraftman | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 10:14.17 | myrkraverk | thank you |
| 10:21.16 | myrkraverk | is there a way for me to see/know what function is called on alt+z ? |
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| 10:28.01 | mascondante | So I'm going to be learning VB this semester. Is lua similar enough for the class to help? At least to get a general grasp on programming? The only 'language' I know is TI-Basic from when I was in high school lol |
| 10:28.30 | Fisker | vb is fucked up |
| 10:28.48 | myrkraverk | any programming language will work; if you know programming, you only have to learn the language, and not both |
| 10:29.05 | myrkraverk | I don't know if lua and vb are close; haven't used any form of basic this century |
| 10:29.47 | Wobin | really ... probably not |
| 10:29.56 | Wobin | lua isn't close enough to be much of a help in that sense |
| 10:30.01 | mascondante | Fisker: I've heard that about vb. The guy I spoke with on that programs in some wierd language... he works with IBM mainframes. Can't remember exactly what it is. |
| 10:30.10 | Wobin | and yes VB is terrible |
| 10:30.24 | myrkraverk | mascondante, PL/1 ? |
| 10:31.22 | myrkraverk | or maybe fortran, can't think of any other languages for mainframe other than C derivatives |
| 10:32.16 | myrkraverk | (but it's nol like I have exp with ibm mainframes) |
| 10:32.30 | mascondante | myrkraverk: I think so both. |
| 10:32.41 | myrkraverk | *nod* |
| 10:33.02 | mascondante | sorry for the delayed response my computer has been getting random 'hangs' for a few seconds |
| 10:34.02 | myrkraverk | np, as in wow, so does real life happen here too |
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| 10:35.12 | amro | mascondante: lua will only make you hate your classwork. VB is not a programming language |
| 10:35.14 | mascondante | Wobin: yeah. I have to take it for my degree though. I'm in the home stretch so I'm not arguin. I just want to get it done and then switch over and knock out my BA and get on with my life lol |
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| 10:37.01 | mascondante | right. I think a language has to be able to be compiled and run native. I believe vb runs on top of windows. Am I understanding that correctly? |
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| 10:38.17 | mascondante | My experience has always been on the support and troubleshooting end. I'm a complete newborn as far as programming experience. |
| 10:38.35 | amro | mascondante: it doesn't have to run native or even be compiled to bytecode. vb.net compiles to bytecode and runs on the .NET VM |
| 10:39.26 | mascondante | ah |
| 10:40.21 | amro | I think VB6 would run interpreted from the IDE, and only compile when you generate the executable |
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| 10:42.16 | myrkraverk | whether a program is interpretod, compiled ore executed by million monkeys has nothing to do with learning to program or the progamming language |
| 10:42.17 | mascondante | Interesting. well I do know at some point soon I'm going to have to get a handle on lua. I'm going to try to help a friend keep their part of an addon maintained. Hardest thing for me is I don't know where to begin. |
| 10:44.14 | kraftman | here's good |
| 10:44.15 | kraftman | and http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 10:46.36 | Adys | Reminds me |
| 10:46.45 | Adys | anyone who wants wave invites? (even for a friend or something) |
| 10:47.51 | mascondante | right I've seen that one. I was hoping to find something structured. Ever seen those 'for dummies' books where it breaks it down and makes it easier to understand? That's what I'm talking about. |
| 10:47.51 | Wobin | ditto |
| 10:47.54 | Wobin | if anyone wants invites, lemme know =P |
| 10:48.13 | Wobin | and mascondante are you learning VB6 or VB.NET? |
| 10:48.21 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 10:48.25 | Fisker | lets all trick jnwhiteh |
| 10:48.48 | mascondante | book is called 'Visual Basic 2008' |
| 10:49.23 | Wobin | ah, that's .NET |
| 10:49.24 | Wobin | good |
| 10:50.45 | mascondante | aye. It has sections for VB, C++, Visual C#, and a bunch of .NET topics |
| 10:51.30 | mascondante | I like the shelly cashman books. They are all so easy to understand. |
| 10:52.15 | myrkraverk | Who needs .net when you can have posix? ;-P |
| 11:01.41 | mascondante | has anyone ever dealt with a machine that should run much faster than it is? I suspect something installed on here is slowing it down greatly. Right now it's about to choke with only 18% cpu usage |
| 11:03.30 | mascondante | harddrive is quiet and peaceful but typing is slow and choppy and so is everything else |
| 11:05.00 | amro | Adys: invites? |
| 11:06.10 | mascondante | Same behavior as a machine that's used up all it's ram and barely has room to move |
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| 11:10.51 | mascondante | appears it is a ram issue /facepalm closed wow and everything went back to normal. not to figure out what's the memory hog (besides wow) |
| 11:11.04 | mascondante | now* |
| 11:11.24 | amro | mascondante: task manager, processes, sort by memory |
| 11:11.52 | mascondante | right. Myspace IM: 200MB x_x |
| 11:12.19 | mascondante | firefox in a close second place w/ 171MB |
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| 11:12.35 | amro | firefox actually has a reason for using 170mb |
| 11:13.07 | amro | 200mb for an IM client makes me wonder what the hell it's doing |
| 11:13.41 | mascondante | yeah that bothers me. Any way to investigate beyond that? I guess google searching would be a good start. |
| 11:14.32 | amro | mascondante: uninstalling myspace IM would be a good start |
| 11:15.54 | Cruciformer | Iriel / Shirik: ping |
| 11:16.40 | olafski | it keeps all your logs in memory, including all sent and received files ;) |
| 11:16.47 | amro | wow. |
| 11:17.01 | olafski | (that was a joke) |
| 11:17.03 | olafski | (I hope) |
| 11:17.42 | Cruciformer | that memory usage thing is a bit of an unfair test. if you memory map files (the windows equiv of mmap()) it adds to that total but its just using address space its not actually changed the heap. |
| 11:21.11 | amro | Cruciformer: used up address space is still less available address space |
| 11:22.03 | Cruciformer | amro: considering each process gets 3G of address space on 32-bit and god knows how many terabytes on 64-bit its not an issue |
| 11:22.28 | amro | Cruciformer: but think of the bytes! |
| 11:22.31 | Cruciformer | thats each individual process, not all apps on the system |
| 11:22.50 | Cruciformer | :) |
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| 11:25.00 | Cruciformer | anyone other than shirik here use lightroom much? |
| 11:25.13 | zenzio | we're coders, we work in dark rooms |
| 11:25.19 | Cruciformer | heh |
| 11:25.37 | Cruciformer | and yet white-room coding is one of the best ways to do it .. go figure :P |
| 11:26.05 | zenzio | and why is that? |
| 11:26.09 | Cruciformer | all of a sudden I hear that Cream song "In a white room with black curtains ..." |
| 11:26.13 | zenzio | my rooms are white, I just don't turn on the lights |
| 11:26.32 | Cruciformer | zenzio: its a type of coding nothing to do with teh actual room color |
| 11:26.53 | zenzio | what does it mean? Not familiar with that expression |
| 11:27.15 | Fisker | die zenzio |
| 11:27.22 | zenzio | Fisker: sry, busy |
| 11:27.59 | Cruciformer | it basically means you code in isolation. You get given a spec, or a task, and you only code. No compiles, no using the IDE as a lazy-ass syntax checker by compiling every 2 minutes to check for warnings / errors etc. You ensure the code is correct by inspection before you give it to someone ELSE to compile and integrate. |
| 11:28.14 | Fisker | ok sorry for bothering you zenzio |
| 11:28.27 | zenzio | Fisker: np, go back to playing with your nexus |
| 11:28.35 | Wobin | Cruciformer, pft, who codes like that nowadays? |
| 11:28.46 | amro | Code slaves |
| 11:28.56 | Cruciformer | Wobin: A lot of military folks and people working on life-critical software. |
| 11:28.57 | zenzio | Cruciformer: that sounds interesting as an exercise, but I wouldn't like that for actual work |
| 11:29.01 | Fisker | what nexus? :( |
| 11:29.12 | zenzio | Cruciformer: for special cases like that, I could understand |
| 11:29.18 | zenzio | but don't they have simulators to run it on? |
| 11:29.18 | amro | Fisker: the one you don't have |
| 11:29.20 | amro | and won't get |
| 11:29.23 | Wobin | eh, I wouldn't call that the best way of doing it |
| 11:29.23 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 11:29.28 | Fisker | i think jnwhiteh is running off with it |
| 11:29.31 | Wobin | unless you -wrote- the language in the first place |
| 11:29.32 | Cruciformer | yeah u actually want teh guidanc systems of your ICBM's to work :) |
| 11:29.56 | Wobin | code review can only lead to better code |
| 11:29.57 | zenzio | meh, Mexico, the Maldives... what's the difference |
| 11:30.10 | Cruciformer | lol none that *I* can see :) |
| 11:31.06 | Cruciformer | I used to work in an environment that required white-room coding. It was actually fun, and according to our metrics, the number of lines of used, bug-free code was higher. |
| 11:32.06 | Cruciformer | its certainly not for everyone, or every project, but its a worthwhile exercide to do at least once or twice in your life. it instills very good habbits. |
| 11:33.14 | Cruciformer | and as for simulators, yes, they have those but ... what happens if the simulator is buggy too :) |
| 11:33.38 | zenzio | the way I see it, it's the simulators that should be coded in that style |
| 11:33.46 | zenzio | so the software run inside them doesn't have to |
| 11:33.58 | Cruciformer | for example ... the simulator feeds measurements in meters and the software is expecting feet :) |
| 11:33.58 | amro | Cruciformer: strong TDD can have many of the benefits of white-room coding, without the potential insanity |
| 11:34.25 | Cruciformer | TDD? thats a TLA IDK :) |
| 11:34.40 | olafski | test driven development |
| 11:34.53 | amro | writing unit tests before you write the code |
| 11:34.53 | Cruciformer | ah |
| 11:35.13 | Cruciformer | what I call "sftware engineering" rather than "coding" :) |
| 11:35.21 | olafski | I don't see a definition of white-room coding on google :< |
| 11:35.23 | amro | you need to try it |
| 11:35.43 | olafski | tdd is nice once you get used to it.. the company where I did my internship used it |
| 11:35.45 | Cruciformer | amro: I've used "tdd" a great deal, I just didnt call it that. |
| 11:35.45 | amro | Cruciformer: you test your code, don't you? unit testing is just automatic and covers more cases, and tells you when things break |
| 11:36.16 | olafski | oh you already explained white room :) sorry |
| 11:36.38 | amro | yeah, powerful xenon lights = white room |
| 11:36.38 | Cruciformer | in that same environment I did white-room coding in, we had a minimum code-coverage requirement of 85% for all unit tests. |
| 11:36.56 | olafski | that doesn't mean you did tdd though |
| 11:36.59 | Cruciformer | thats a very high percentage for those that have ever actually run coverage metrics |
| 11:37.51 | Cruciformer | no I know ... that was just that job. At other jobs, most notably at google, they were fascist about testing and their development procedure was largely tdd, as I understand it from the acronym expansion. |
| 11:38.14 | olafski | tdd means you write tests first, then you code until your code passes the tests |
| 11:38.38 | Cruciformer | google was so anal about testing that litterally every toilet in the googleplex had a little thing each week called "testing on the toilet" with a new / better way to do unit tests etc. |
| 11:39.35 | zenzio | in case the code was so bad you had to vomit? |
| 11:39.48 | Cruciformer | lol no google code is very high quality |
| 11:40.03 | Cruciformer | the price of failure is just so high that they have to rely on testing |
| 11:40.15 | Cruciformer | and really, really good testing. |
| 11:40.26 | amro | everyone should write good unit tests |
| 11:40.31 | nevcairiel | tdd is actually a rather nice concept, but its quite work intensive and a bit annoying for the devs |
| 11:40.33 | Cruciformer | amro: amen |
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| 11:40.50 | amro | nevcairiel: indeed, it feels like grunt work and a "waste" of time, but it saves time in the long run |
| 11:41.58 | Cruciformer | unfortunately its not for every environment. if you are working ata start-up and you only have funding through next month, the reality if you need to get stuff out the door and hopefully get time / money to do things the more "purist" way later. |
| 11:42.16 | Cruciformer | s /reality if/reality is/ |
| 11:42.43 | nevcairiel | once you start on the way to "just get stuff out the door", you won't be fixing it later |
| 11:42.49 | nevcairiel | you might say you want to, but you won't |
| 11:43.03 | Cruciformer | usually not no. usually you end up doing a full rewrite when you are financially stable. |
| 11:45.24 | Cruciformer | jesus the carrier pigeons delivering my IP packets are slow today |
| 11:46.35 | Cruciformer | anyway back to learning lightroom for me |
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| 11:50.23 | Arrowmaster | TDD seems like it discourages refactoring due to the large amount of work fixing the unit tests if you decide to refactor a decent sized chunk of code |
| 11:50.53 | nevcairiel | In TDD you shouldnt fix the unit tests |
| 11:51.18 | nevcairiel | If you notice a design flaw, you adjust the tests, and then refactor the code to match the new tests |
| 11:51.37 | nevcairiel | you write code to match the tests, not the other way around |
| 11:52.29 | Fisker | TDD yourself |
| 11:55.32 | olafski | ~wowalert |
| 11:55.33 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 11:55.54 | olafski | the bottom part of the EU alert reads like an email :{ |
| 11:56.45 | Fisker | enrages |
| 12:02.44 | amro | Arrowmaster: TDD also reduces how often you refactor code by forcing you to think things through from the start |
| 12:03.10 | zenzio | dude, we're coders, not designers |
| 12:03.11 | zenzio | ;) |
| 12:05.46 | amro | don't kid yourself, you still design the application/API |
| 12:06.21 | zenzio | hence the ";)" |
| 12:09.19 | Fisker | helps zenzio |
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| 12:18.23 | industrial | TDD = ? |
| 12:18.43 | zenzio | test-driven development |
| 12:19.06 | industrial | right |
| 12:19.21 | industrial | its on my 'someday, cuz it might help me' list :P |
| 12:20.00 | zenzio | "right after that big project falls to pieces" |
| 12:20.10 | zenzio | just like backups |
| 12:24.11 | olafski | backups.. waste of space ;) |
| 12:24.40 | zenzio | "I don't need no stinking backups, I have symlinks to the data" |
| 12:25.44 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 12:25.54 | Kalroth | archive your important data, name the archive "almost-legal-amateur-shots.zip", make a torrent file for it and upload to piratebay |
| 12:25.59 | Kalroth | free backup cloud! |
| 12:26.10 | zenzio | Kalroth: lol |
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| 12:27.50 | krka | TDD is not annoying for devs, devs love TDD. I am way more productive with TDD and I get to avoid most of the annoying debugging sessions |
| 12:28.23 | zenzio | TDD sounds nice if it's properly implemented |
| 12:29.17 | krka | it's one of few things you can implement properly yourself without a lot of other people involved |
| 12:29.40 | zenzio | if you're familiar with it perhaps |
| 12:30.06 | zenzio | if I was to try it, it'd take me time to find out the proper way to do it; I'm not sure the boss would like that |
| 12:30.10 | Kalroth | I agree, but TDD usually means that either the tester or the developer is waiting (to some degree anyways) |
| 12:32.50 | krka | if your boss is smart, he'd see that you'd be more productive after a very short while |
| 12:33.11 | krka | Kalroth: no, TDD means that the developer writes the test |
| 12:33.25 | krka | you can do TDD by yourself |
| 12:33.31 | zenzio | krka: it's something I'm interested in trying out for one of our bigger projects. Most of our projects are smaller scale, so more of a "just get it done" thing :-/ |
| 12:33.34 | Kalroth | oh, we aren't allowed to do that |
| 12:33.36 | Kalroth | :P |
| 12:33.53 | krka | TDD is not the same thing has having a QA that tests your stuff |
| 12:33.59 | Kalroth | I thought TDD meant that we wrote the testcases, but someone else had to QA it |
| 12:33.59 | krka | not the same thing at all |
| 12:34.19 | Kalroth | eg. we define the positive outcome of a test |
| 12:34.23 | krka | TDD meanshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Test-driven_development.PNG |
| 12:34.44 | Kalroth | yes |
| 12:35.38 | Kalroth | well MY code never fails, so I'd be stuck at writing tests there |
| 12:35.53 | olafski | this is why you write your test BEFORE you write the code |
| 12:36.04 | olafski | if the test doesn't fail then you either don't need your code or you wrote a wrong test |
| 12:36.22 | Kalroth | no, that is why you write your test AFTER you write the code, that way it doesn't fail |
| 12:36.22 | krka | if your first test doesn't fail, you have already implemented the new feature |
| 12:36.30 | krka | you want your test to fail |
| 12:36.45 | olafski | perhaps you do kalroth.. but that's not TDD :) |
| 12:36.58 | Kalroth | olafski: No, that's how real programmers do it! |
| 12:36.58 | zenzio | http://averagecats.com/1206 |
| 12:37.08 | olafski | uhuh :) |
| 12:37.31 | krka | stop trolling Kalroth |
| 12:37.54 | Kalroth | Sorry, I'm just bitter because I've spent the entire day cleaning up after a real programmer. |
| 12:38.14 | krka | nice |
| 12:38.35 | krka | good thing you've split up the work into development (for the real talent) and cleanup (for you) |
| 12:39.29 | Kalroth | well if it was up to me then I'd tell the whining customers to fuck off, but since the real programmer got booted about a year ago, we cant make him fix his own shit |
| 12:39.38 | Kalroth | and since* |
| 12:41.43 | Kalroth | so I got stuck cleaning up some krka'ish mess! |
| 12:41.56 | krka | my code is beautiful! |
| 12:42.17 | olafski | and so is your 3d world |
| 12:42.43 | Kalroth | krka: that's not what hiflyer said! |
| 12:43.01 | krka | what does he know? |
| 12:43.12 | Kalroth | he's got a level 80 character, you don't |
| 12:43.15 | Kalroth | so I trust him |
| 12:43.24 | krka | yes I have! |
| 12:43.35 | krka | not that it's relevant |
| 12:43.39 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:44.05 | Kalroth | well you hit level 80 like a week ago, he's been 80 for over half a year now! |
| 12:44.17 | olafski | I've been 80 for even longer |
| 12:44.19 | olafski | better listen to me! |
| 12:44.22 | krka | nah i've been 80 for a while now |
| 12:44.41 | Kalroth | did you buy the character from ebay |
| 12:45.04 | Kalroth | because last time we spoke your highest character was like 40! |
| 12:45.04 | krka | 08-09-2009 <-- according to the achivement page atleast |
| 12:45.16 | krka | i try avoid talking with you too often |
| 12:45.31 | Kalroth | I see |
| 12:47.01 | olafski | my last lvl 80 reached 80 on 09-30-2009 :( I should stop slacking |
| 12:48.14 | zenzio | my only level 80 seems to have dinged on 11-18-2008 |
| 12:48.39 | olafski | 6 days before my first :((( |
| 12:48.43 | olafski | I bow to your infinite wisdom |
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| 12:48.59 | zenzio | wouldn't call it that... I took the week off from work |
| 12:49.06 | zenzio | so my guild wouldn't start raiding without me |
| 12:49.20 | olafski | ,) |
| 12:49.36 | olafski | I took my time.. didn't like leveling as I had just leveled that char from 1-70 a week before wotlk came |
| 12:49.48 | zenzio | makes sense |
| 12:50.07 | olafski | and I was a bit ticked off by the fact that I couldn't level through grinding |
| 12:50.15 | olafski | well, not properly as a priest |
| 12:50.38 | olafski | about a week later my second char reached 80 though :P |
| 12:50.54 | krka | i just did all quests i could find in the northrend zones |
| 12:51.02 | olafski | yeah that's what I usually do now |
| 12:51.04 | zenzio | that's how I always level |
| 12:51.04 | krka | i was 80 in dragonblight or something |
| 12:51.09 | zenzio | O_o |
| 12:51.11 | olafski | then again, now that the LFD tool is there I 'll probably level in dungeons |
| 12:51.23 | krka | hmm maybe i remember wrong |
| 12:51.31 | krka | might have been scholazar |
| 12:51.32 | zenzio | I skipped Borean Tundra, but did all the other zones... dinged 80 in Storm Peaks I think |
| 12:54.46 | Kalroth | Dragonblight was 71-74, so I don't hope you stayed there until 80 :p |
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| 12:55.07 | olafski | if you do BT and HF completely you're probably 73 or 74 |
| 12:55.24 | Kalroth | and utterly insane! |
| 12:55.27 | olafski | so you could get to 76 in DB |
| 12:55.47 | olafski | it's not like you lose a lot of xp doing quests that are 2 levels below your own |
| 12:55.59 | olafski | I only did BT and HF on my paladin :) |
| 12:56.01 | Kalroth | I don't think you lose anything anymore, they removed that |
| 12:56.04 | Cruciformer | why insane? |
| 12:56.10 | olafski | leveled the rest in alterac valley |
| 12:56.38 | Kalroth | Cruciformer: Well today it's no biggie, but the first month of WotLK launch those zones were absolutely full |
| 12:57.14 | Cruciformer | *shrug* makes it more fun |
| 12:57.17 | Kalroth | I hit 71 and left for DB, hit 73 in DB and then went to Grizzly Hills |
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| 12:57.54 | Kalroth | My definition of fun doesn't including camping a quest mob for 1 hour because there's 40 people in the queue infront of you :) |
| 12:58.04 | olafski | queue? what queue :P |
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| 12:58.11 | olafski | /tar mobname; /cast instantspell |
| 12:58.13 | olafski | spam! |
| 12:58.18 | Kalroth | queue or assholes! |
| 12:58.22 | olafski | I generally got my mobs the first or second time they spawned :P |
| 13:00.50 | zenzio | it wasn't so bad in WotLK |
| 13:00.53 | zenzio | worse in BC |
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| 13:38.09 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1575 |
| 13:38.13 | amro | Cairenn: ping |
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| 13:56.19 | zenzio | so I was looking at the December hardware survey on Steam, and noticed the menu on the top of the page mentioned "Cyber cafes"... that sounded totally wrong |
| 13:56.56 | Lopeppeppy | Always does, zenzio. I giggle every time someone mentions the one here on campus. |
| 13:57.05 | zenzio | :) |
| 13:57.16 | Adys | They serve Starbucks special full-body e-latte |
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| 13:58.26 | Wobin | With "Happy Froth Ending"? |
| 13:58.44 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 13:58.58 | Kraps | http://xkcd.com/686/ |
| 14:03.34 | Fisker | brrs just outside Lopeppeppy's home |
| 14:04.07 | Kraps | call the cops peppy! |
| 14:04.18 | Fisker | stalking isn't illegal |
| 14:05.38 | Lopeppeppy | It's only about 15 degrees here, he should be cold if he's on my porch. |
| 14:06.14 | Lopeppeppy | Stalking is indeed illegal in my state, Fisker, if I can prove you meet the criteria. Not that it's easy to prove, but hey, I at least have the right to try! |
| 14:06.46 | amro | I'm sure stalking isn't the worst thing on Fisker's record |
| 14:06.47 | Kraps | http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002261---A000-.html |
| 14:07.07 | Fisker | indeed Lopeppeppy, you can't prove it! |
| 14:07.32 | Lopeppeppy | Oh well, I'll just get you arrested for trespassing, it's the first step. |
| 14:08.06 | Kraps | b) Penalties.â A person who violates this section or section 2261A shall be fined under this title, imprisonedâ |
| 14:08.08 | Kraps | (1) for life or any term of years, if death of the victim results; |
| 14:08.09 | Kraps | (2) for not more than 20 years if permanent disfigurement or life threatening bodily injury to the victim results; |
| 14:08.11 | Kraps | (3) for not more than 10 years, if serious bodily injury to the victim results or if the offender uses a dangerous weapon during the offense; |
| 14:08.12 | Kraps | (5) for not more than 5 years, in any other case, |
| 14:09.19 | Fisker | brrrs across the street from Lopeppeppy's home |
| 14:09.39 | Lopeppeppy | Poor baby. *hug* |
| 14:12.08 | Fisker | i should stalk jnwhiteh instead though |
| 14:12.18 | Fisker | or maybe DHL, or Google |
| 14:12.54 | amro | You don't stalk Google. Google stalks you. |
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| 14:16.26 | Ancu | 'lo every one |
| 14:17.45 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa-dear. |
| 14:18.00 | Lunessa | Morning Lopeppeppy. *huggles* |
| 14:18.08 | Ancu | hey lopeppeppy |
| 14:19.06 | Ancu | lopeppeppy? I have a message for you |
| 14:19.46 | Kraps | uh-oh |
| 14:21.04 | Ancu | would you like the message lopeppeppy? |
| 14:21.41 | Lopeppeppy | Knock knock? |
| 14:22.44 | Kraps | "Think of Hitler as a mage and Stalin as a shadow priest. " |
| 14:23.11 | nevcairiel | i dont get it |
| 14:23.15 | Ancu | MOOOOO |
| 14:23.35 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly. *grin* |
| 14:24.11 | Fisker | that's what i want them to think amro |
| 14:24.22 | Kraps | nevcairiel: "Hitler was definitely more of a straight up killing machine, but the policies of Stalin led to far more deaths over a longer period, for a variety of reasons. " |
| 14:25.46 | Kraps | comes from this retarded thread http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418974112&sid=1 |
| 14:28.04 | Kraps | Protection warriors have too much utility and damage for PvP. come on, thats bs |
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| 14:29.19 | Ancu | I remember a while back somone told me of an awsome ace 3 tutorial. Does anyone know where it is? |
| 14:30.00 | olafski | http://old.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace3_Addon ? |
| 14:30.41 | Ancu | thankyou |
| 14:30.55 | Ancu | I lost it and couldnt find it again |
| 14:31.22 | olafski | ,) I still had it open in my browser |
| 14:32.36 | Ancu | lol |
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| 14:41.53 | Kraps | damn multiboxers |
| 14:42.59 | Lunessa | looks at Kraps. |
| 14:43.07 | Kraps | what? |
| 14:43.44 | Lunessa | I'm a "Damned Multiboxer" |
| 14:43.50 | olafski | multiboxing sounds like fun |
| 14:43.56 | jnwhiteh | 6 Jan - Google Phone Webstore received your order. |
| 14:43.58 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: |
| 14:44.05 | jnwhiteh | That's all I have right now. |
| 14:44.27 | Kraps | theres a combined 10 HK on our side, horde has 60 |
| 14:44.35 | Kraps | each |
| 14:45.35 | olafski | nice |
| 14:45.47 | myrkraverk | is there something that works like string.find, but finds backwards? that is, goes from right to left? -- or, more precicely, how do I find the next word to the *left* of a given position in the string? |
| 14:45.50 | olafski | I met some balance druids in AV once.. maybe 8 of them or so |
| 14:45.58 | olafski | 8x moonfire, 8x wrath = pain :) |
| 14:46.12 | Fisker | booo jnwhiteh :P |
| 14:46.41 | jnwhiteh | i put in an email |
| 14:47.35 | Fisker | like that's gonna be answered :P |
| 14:47.44 | Fisker | Some guy ordered 2 though |
| 14:47.48 | Fisker | never got confirmation on one of them |
| 14:48.06 | Fisker | but got both |
| 14:48.06 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 14:48.06 | jnwhiteh | did he pay VAT? |
| 14:48.32 | Fisker | not what i know off |
| 14:48.43 | Fisker | some people say you apparently get a bill from DHL after a couple of weeks |
| 14:48.48 | jnwhiteh | i checked with PaulOBrien |
| 14:48.58 | jnwhiteh | Oh, okay |
| 14:49.17 | Fisker | that's the guy :P |
| 14:49.21 | Fisker | He ordered 2 :P |
| 14:49.26 | Fisker | only got confirmation on one :( |
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| 14:51.10 | Kraps | Lunessa: what do you multibox? |
| 14:51.17 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 14:51.28 | Lunessa | Shaman. Don't judge me. |
| 14:51.46 | Kraps | how many? |
| 14:52.15 | Ancu | ~lart kraps |
| 14:52.15 | purl | frags kraps with his BFG9000 |
| 14:52.26 | Kraps | what did i day? :( |
| 14:52.41 | Lunessa | Kraps, just 2. And I don't do anything fancy. Just leveling/farming. |
| 14:53.05 | Ancu | I think you where attacking lunessa...and I am trying to earn loppeppeppy rep.... |
| 14:53.24 | Kraps | i wasnt k? |
| 14:53.44 | Kraps | be back soon |
| 14:53.48 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy Rep is earned with less transparent actions. She's wicked clever and doesn't suffer suck-ups. |
| 14:53.53 | Ancu | oh, sorry...Ill go back into my hole, lol |
| 14:54.31 | Ancu | wait . . . wicked clever? are you from maine? |
| 14:54.38 | Fisker | your schools got trolled haste |
| 14:55.54 | Lunessa | Maine? Maine? MAINE? Boy, now you're just being insulting. |
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| 14:57.04 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, I'm not even from Maine. *laugh* |
| 14:57.05 | haste | Fisker: lol wut? |
| 14:57.43 | haste | Fisker: oh _that_ school |
| 14:59.22 | Ancu | I'm from maine...And I was told that wicked is a steriotype of maine |
| 14:59.44 | Ancu | corse, tmnt said it alot, so I never really understood that |
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| 15:04.43 | Ancu | yeah, up in maine we like to pahk the cah in the dohyahd |
| 15:05.19 | Ancu | lol, I don't really talk like that, but I know people who do |
| 15:05.27 | Wobin | dohyahd? |
| 15:05.45 | Ancu | dohyahd=dooryard=driveway |
| 15:05.50 | Wobin | woah |
| 15:05.54 | Wobin | door-yard-? |
| 15:06.08 | Wobin | how does that even work? =) |
| 15:06.22 | Lopeppeppy | There's a yard. Near your door. |
| 15:06.23 | Lopeppeppy | Door yar. |
| 15:06.23 | Ancu | dooryard. My spell check even accepts dooryard as a word |
| 15:06.25 | Lopeppeppy | *yard |
| 15:06.32 | Ancu | yup |
| 15:06.33 | Lopeppeppy | As opposed to the back yard. Or the side yard. |
| 15:06.39 | Wobin | we call that the front yard |
| 15:06.42 | Wobin | but not the driveway |
| 15:06.45 | Wobin | that's different |
| 15:06.48 | Ancu | yup |
| 15:06.49 | Lopeppeppy | It is. |
| 15:07.11 | Ancu | its interchangeable between driveway and frontlawn |
| 15:07.13 | Lopeppeppy | Driveway and dooryard *can* be the same, but often are very quite different. |
| 15:07.25 | Fisker | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/epic-fail-google-map-fail.jpg <-better be a toy gun :o |
| 15:07.37 | Ancu | although some people have frontwoods not a frontlawn |
| 15:09.53 | Ancu | lol |
| 15:10.01 | Wobin | http://www.holymoly.com/sites/default/files/imce/doctor-who-facebook-page.jpg |
| 15:13.18 | Fisker | i hate the new doctor |
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| 15:14.06 | Wobin | I'll give him a chance |
| 15:14.20 | Wobin | see how he settles in |
| 15:14.30 | Wobin | (although he has stupid hair =P) |
| 15:15.04 | Lopeppeppy | gives Seerah some hot chocolate. |
| 15:15.09 | Seerah | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 15:15.13 | Seerah | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 15:16.29 | Fisker | slaps Seerah around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:16.43 | Seerah | good morning to you, too, Fisker :) |
| 15:16.51 | Fisker | Wobin, shoot first, give chances later |
| 15:17.29 | Wobin | cause I'm.. trigger happy! Trigger happy every day! |
| 15:17.33 | Wobin | (happy every day!) |
| 15:17.36 | airtonix | @doctor facebook : WTF? |
| 15:17.52 | airtonix | does your dog have a facebook page with hourly updates ? |
| 15:18.04 | airtonix | i bet you put a facebook page up for your toilet |
| 15:18.11 | airtonix | utterly disgusting |
| 15:18.18 | airtonix | humbug |
| 15:18.19 | Wobin | o.O |
| 15:18.30 | airtonix | it's all your fault wobin |
| 15:18.36 | Wobin | no, it's Fisker's |
| 15:19.01 | airtonix | there is no misdirect in real life |
| 15:19.15 | Wobin | You don't watch much politics, do you? |
| 15:19.21 | airtonix | your discovery of this will be painful |
| 15:19.48 | airtonix | no i don't watch multitudes of parasites |
| 15:20.03 | Wobin | pft, I bet you -enjoy- daytime television |
| 15:20.08 | airtonix | i have better things to do than observe a box of bugs |
| 15:20.09 | Wobin | You're just -that- type |
| 15:20.21 | Wobin | shakes his head sadly |
| 15:20.27 | airtonix | FUUUUUU |
| 15:20.50 | airtonix | time for daily cocaine intake |
| 15:20.55 | olafski | doesn't even have a cable in his television |
| 15:21.34 | Wobin | it's all wireless? |
| 15:22.17 | olafski | no "cable" cable |
| 15:22.34 | olafski | and no wireless signal either ;) just my 360 and my pc hooked up to it |
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| 15:30.23 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5443241/review-the-as+seen+on+tv-hat-an-iphone+viewing-visor |
| 15:34.49 | Lunessa | No people, I will not give you the same e-mail address as someone else on our system just because you have the same last name. |
| 15:34.57 | cbreak | now that looks stupid |
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| 15:48.13 | olafski | hahaha thunder_child |
| 15:48.18 | olafski | that's awesome |
| 15:48.59 | Ancu | "Notice that at this point there is no value for the message string. That is because we didn't provide a default. We can fix that by adding the following line right after the call to RegisterOptionsTable: " do they mean immediately after, or in the next line? |
| 15:50.46 | Bruners | Fisker: do you play castle age? |
| 15:52.01 | olafski | immediately after / next line is the same thing though ancu |
| 15:52.40 | Ancu | not in this case, this is the line they are refferencing: |
| 15:52.41 | Ancu | LibStub("AceConfig-3.0"):RegisterOptionsTable("WelcomeHome", Options, {"welcomehome", "wh"}) |
| 15:53.40 | Ancu | do they want me to put it in the parentheses? |
| 15:54.15 | Ancu | I know that lua dosn't recognise line breaks, thats not what I am having issues with |
| 15:54.28 | olafski | you could try both and see what happens |
| 15:54.35 | olafski | but I think you should not put it in the parentheses ;) |
| 15:56.07 | Ancu | Oh yeah, some of my c training just kicked in |
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| 15:56.27 | Ancu | reigsteroptionstable is a function |
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| 15:56.53 | Ancu | and we are calling it to return the vars listed |
| 15:57.24 | Ackis | castle crashers > castle age!!!! |
| 15:58.56 | Ancu | oh I feel like an idiot! now that I am looking at it, I understand exactly whats going on |
| 15:59.48 | Ancu | I have to go, thanks for the help olafski! |
| 16:00.31 | olafski | mm castle crashers |
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| 16:06.01 | Lunessa | loves the girls and the money and the shame of life. |
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| 16:14.38 | Lunessa | Jesus H On A Pogo Stick - someone took number data and added a single-quote to the front of every field because they used text instead of number as the field property in Excel. And then they want to know why it won't calculate. |
| 16:16.06 | Thunder_Child | tell them it wont calculate because of PEBKAC |
| 16:16.59 | _rane | is \n a newline in a Lua string? |
| 16:18.27 | Lunessa | _rane: yes. |
| 16:18.46 | Lunessa | Or rather it's an escape sequence for a new line |
| 16:18.48 | Grum | iew they use excell :( |
| 16:19.29 | Lunessa | We use MS products a lot here. |
| 16:19.44 | Lunessa | And frankly, Excel is a damned fine spreadsheet. |
| 16:20.10 | Thunder_Child | you might be getting that confused with access |
| 16:20.21 | Cide | that's a lie, Lunessa |
| 16:20.34 | Cide | it's made by an evil company and thus it's evil by association |
| 16:20.46 | Thunder_Child | what would you use instead of excel anyway? |
| 16:21.10 | Lunessa | Cide: It's ok, I like Evil. |
| 16:23.16 | Cide | oic |
| 16:23.21 | Cide | well then it's holy |
| 16:23.22 | Kraps | open office! |
| 16:23.27 | Cide | JUST DON'T USE IT |
| 16:23.35 | Cide | OKAY?? |
| 16:25.00 | amro | Excel is one of those few MS products that are worth the money |
| 16:25.31 | Grum | yes ... until you get stuck with a localized version and *ALL* the functions you code are in a funky localized (non english) language |
| 16:26.00 | foxlit | Serves you right for being in timbuktu. |
| 16:26.33 | Grum | even my own native language is just *so* wrong for code :p |
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| 16:26.54 | Grum | 'floor' would become 'afronden.beneden' .. took me about 3 hours to find that in the documentation |
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| 16:29.25 | Cide | it's how they plan to take over the world |
| 16:29.35 | Cide | force every excel user to move to an english-speaking country |
| 16:29.49 | Cide | and then slowly seize control over the deserted lands |
| 16:32.39 | Lunessa | Take the women and their pollen. |
| 16:34.07 | Grum | mewants the pollen! |
| 16:37.11 | myrkraverk | Grum, teaches you to be using excel in the first place ;-P |
| 16:37.27 | Grum | hey! i know i said it was fermented devils seed |
| 16:37.41 | Grum | 17:18:48 < Grum> iew they use excel :( |
| 16:38.06 | durcyn | i've never heard microsoft products referred to as petrified sperm before, that's a new one. |
| 16:38.51 | myrkraverk | I haven't *used* excel this century (I don't know how anymore) |
| 16:39.09 | Cide | well, you see |
| 16:40.18 | Grum | excel is sortof awesome tbh |
| 16:40.20 | Cide | with the advent of a new and exciting way of doing user interfaces called command lines, many developers and so-called "geeks" advocate this new revolutionary way of providing an easily used program |
| 16:40.33 | Grum | but it suffers from the regular microsoft problem, they have something .. and then they BLOAAAAAAAAAAT it |
| 16:40.40 | myrkraverk | Now I am seriously wondering if it's possible to make my play with ChatEdit_ParseText hook play nice with Misspelled (which hooks other text edits, and fires an event I want *gone*) |
| 16:40.52 | Cide | so now you don't have to learn how to use the extremely hard-to-use microsoft products |
| 16:41.05 | Cide | just do man <name>, read for a few hours and then go at it with the keyboard |
| 16:41.06 | Grum | Cide: what would be a nice excel alternative? |
| 16:41.19 | Cide | well, any sql database would do for most of these "geeks" |
| 16:41.19 | myrkraverk | Lotus 123? |
| 16:41.27 | Cide | or even nano. |
| 16:41.41 | Cide | y'see, sophisticated and feature-rich programs are a thing of the past |
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| 16:42.07 | Cide | 2010 is the year of celebration; embrace the 25-year old user interface paradigms and forget about everything that is meant to enhance the user interface |
| 16:42.22 | myrkraverk | Cide, well, add to that, that many people will force feed something into excel it's clearly not suited for |
| 16:42.43 | Cide | god knows a graphical user interface is unnecessarily clunky compared to the alternative that is cli |
| 16:42.51 | myrkraverk | ;-D |
| 16:42.53 | Cide | if microsoft understood this they wouldn't waste time making horrible user interfaces |
| 16:43.28 | foxlit | Wheh, apple broke ppc64 binaries in SL? |
| 16:43.33 | Cide | they should take a hint from all these developers and "geeks" who spend all their time making easy to use products *by not providing a user interface at all* |
| 16:43.46 | Cide | aah... I wish MS could learn for once. |
| 16:44.19 | Cide | take a hint, microsoft, take a hint! |
| 16:44.36 | nevcairiel | cli is even older then UI, your argument kinda lacks |
| 16:44.42 | nevcairiel | we just need a new version of UIs |
| 16:44.55 | myrkraverk | actually, cli *is* ui |
| 16:45.11 | Cide | swoosh. |
| 16:45.17 | nevcairiel | GUI then, jeez :P |
| 16:45.30 | foxlit | I'm convinced Cide is engaging in high humor here. |
| 16:45.45 | myrkraverk | oh, I thought it was high sarcasm |
| 16:46.47 | Lunessa | Cide has a taste for low sarcasm. Low, mean, vicious sarcasm. It's why I respect him. |
| 16:47.32 | myrkraverk | once, last century, I could add charts and other stuff in ecxecl with manual control, now (or last time I check, which may also have been last century) I have to go through all these horrible wizards |
| 16:47.54 | myrkraverk | there is only *one* reason for that: lower the help desk cost of MS corp. |
| 16:48.18 | Cide | well there is a solution |
| 16:48.27 | myrkraverk | Use excel 4.0 |
| 16:48.49 | Kraps | Ysera is Alexstrasza's sister, gmm |
| 16:48.53 | Kraps | hmm* |
| 16:49.53 | myrkraverk | Or better yet, Lotus Smartsuite from 1994 |
| 16:50.13 | Lunessa | ... Lotus *shudder* |
| 16:50.45 | myrkraverk | Lunessa, don't confuse the smartsuite with notes -- I've never used notes, so I don't know how horrible that s |
| 16:50.57 | Hjalte | Sometimes when I click a random place, not a link, on wowinterface a popup window with a commercial pops up. Is that supposed to happen? |
| 16:51.08 | foxlit | Cairenn: boo! |
| 16:51.26 | foxlit | or ping. Whichever you prefer. |
| 16:51.33 | Cide | just do `grep -QwertYaDSF /usr/var/logs/mydata | tail -f | plot x=-10..83.5{step=0.3} y=3x^2 | graph -vkIm dataFile=stdin | trunc -kIMG px_x=0..100 px_y=100.200 format=PNG > output.png` |
| 16:51.38 | Cide | and you're all set. simple. |
| 16:51.41 | myrkraverk | Hjalte, most certainly not, have your mouse cleaned, and even better, have it serviced by a qualified mechanic |
| 16:51.43 | Cide | god I love unix |
| 16:52.00 | Lunessa | I use Lotus123 for a long while, and everything else except notes because notes makes baby jesus want to kill baby whales and club seals. Not that Outlook is any better... |
| 16:52.15 | foxlit | Hjalte: I don't think that's their intention, but I do get the same ads on occasion. |
| 16:52.38 | Cide | ^ myrkraverk |
| 16:52.47 | myrkraverk | Cide, yeah, I got you |
| 16:53.01 | Cide | cool. let me know if you have any problems |
| 16:53.30 | myrkraverk | Cide, sure, but I can tell you I use sage when I need something plotted |
| 16:53.59 | Cide | well yeah, if you wanna do it the *hard* way there's always sage... |
| 16:54.15 | myrkraverk | "yes, I *want* that random poligon and TeX rendered labels in my plot" |
| 16:55.50 | myrkraverk | yes, using scripts, for loops, and the zsh builtin opengl module to greate a good plot isn't easy enough |
| 16:56.15 | Cide | hey, don't have to tell me twice |
| 16:57.25 | myrkraverk | hey, I never finished and released the zsh opengl module, you want it? |
| 16:57.52 | myrkraverk | I mean, *who* doesn't want opengl in their shell scripts? |
| 16:58.07 | myrkraverk | *digs up ancient code* |
| 17:00.49 | mikma | jesus fucking christ what's wrong with these mobs after 3.3.0 |
| 17:00.59 | mikma | they always try to go behind your back when you tank them |
| 17:01.10 | myrkraverk | Cide: let me show you something nasty: the command line I used to compile the stuff |
| 17:01.31 | Cide | nasty? |
| 17:01.34 | myrkraverk | CC=cc ./configure --enable-zsh-debug --prefix=/opt/myrkraverk --enable-cflags="-I/usr/X11/Include -I/export/home/johann/src/C++/OpenGL/x86_solaris/glut-3.7/include -g" --enable-libs="-L/opt/X11/lib/GL -R/opt/X11/lib/GL -lGL -lGLU -lX11 -lXmu -L/export/home/johann/src/C++/OpenGL/x86_solaris/glut-3.7/lib/glut/ -lglut" |
| 17:01.45 | Cide | wait what? |
| 17:01.57 | Cide | did I see command line and nasty in the same sentence? someone pinch me |
| 17:02.35 | myrkraverk | yes, ./configure is a horrible abominaion (notthing to do with the UC guards) and needs to burn in a hellifire |
| 17:03.02 | foxlit | configure is like one of those Professor Putricide abominations. |
| 17:03.34 | foxlit | Sure, it pulses aoe damage, but you don't really want to do the fight without it. |
| 17:03.42 | foxlit | </badanalogy> |
| 17:04.02 | durcyn | i don't think i've seen a worse analogy, come to think of it. |
| 17:04.24 | myrkraverk | is it missing a negative, or is there an extra one? |
| 17:06.27 | myrkraverk | ah, yes -- I had not done the glut module to use the generic binary dispather -- it's pretty stupid to wrap *every* single opengl function inside another zsh C one, you just need a tabel with the "openglFunName" to openglFunPtr |
| 17:07.10 | myrkraverk | I just wish it was possible to use inheriance on structs in C |
| 17:08.03 | myrkraverk | I wonder if I have lesbian tendencies? I keep tying les instead of less |
| 17:08.27 | foxlit | I cannot begin to fathom what sort of confusion requires inheritance on structs. |
| 17:08.40 | myrkraverk | foxlit, the same table |
| 17:09.30 | Fisker | yay |
| 17:09.33 | Fisker | i'm an engineering jerk |
| 17:09.43 | Fisker | and almost 4000g poorer :( |
| 17:09.47 | Cide | s/n engineering// |
| 17:09.54 | Cide | =D |
| 17:10.00 | myrkraverk | I'm using the zsh function dispatch table, only I need more entries, so I have another struct[] table, in the same order ;/ |
| 17:10.20 | myrkraverk | Cide, can't beat sed ;) |
| 17:10.27 | myrkraverk | or, for that matter, ed |
| 17:11.23 | myrkraverk | great, I have a struct, with a union of a plethora of function pointers |
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| 17:14.56 | Cide | php baffles me |
| 17:15.05 | durcyn | oh, you crazy britons and your airport security. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/04/new-scanners-child-porn-laws |
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| 17:15.30 | Cide | okay, we'll implement the length of a string function through strlen() |
| 17:15.47 | Cide | but the length of an array should clearly not be called length, but count()! |
| 17:16.01 | Cide | and they should obviously be different functions |
| 17:17.49 | foxlit | what's the length of a hash table, Cide? |
| 17:17.59 | foxlit | Or a count of a string? |
| 17:18.15 | Cide | the concept is the same |
| 17:18.28 | Cide | the english description may vary |
| 17:18.38 | Cide | call it number of items or elements and you're set |
| 17:19.46 | foxlit | numberofitems($foo)? |
| 17:20.11 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh can you check now? |
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| 17:20.22 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: check what? |
| 17:20.30 | Fisker | the status |
| 17:20.51 | Cide | foxlit: fine with me as long as it's one function |
| 17:20.58 | Hjalte | Fisker: I suppose you failed and didn't get one of those awesome personal inscriptions? ;) |
| 17:21.02 | Cide | I'd prefer the more traditional len[gth] but that's just me |
| 17:21.08 | Fisker | :3 Hjalte? |
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| 17:21.14 | Hjalte | On your phone. |
| 17:21.25 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: why woudl somethign have changed in 1 hours? |
| 17:21.28 | Lunessa | Seerah|away: More snow days? |
| 17:21.33 | jnwhiteh | I mean, I can, in a moment. |
| 17:21.43 | foxlit | Cide: doesn't bother me, really. The main problem is that those API differences are random, not that they exist. |
| 17:21.50 | Fisker | you know how it is jnwhiteh :P |
| 17:21.51 | myrkraverk | is it possible to do ChatFrameEditBox:SetText(newText) without throwing OnSetText event? |
| 17:21.58 | Fisker | i would've F5'd all day if i could |
| 17:22.20 | foxlit | The short answer is no; the long answer is "yes, but..." |
| 17:23.05 | Cide | the real answer is "if u haev 2, ur doin it wroang" |
| 17:23.12 | myrkraverk | foxlit, Misspelled is doing it, and has workarounds for not causing onsettext loops |
| 17:23.13 | foxlit | You could remove the OnSetText handler and restore it, but that taints the handler. |
| 17:23.51 | myrkraverk | this in turn (I belive) is wreaking havoc with my parsetext hook |
| 17:23.52 | foxlit | If you're only concerned with infinite loops, you could easily prevent those without killing the event dispatch. |
| 17:24.56 | myrkraverk | afaiu, this "extra" event, is causing troubles in my (currently play) addon |
| 17:25.03 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: no update at all |
| 17:25.22 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:25.34 | Fisker | stays strong, etc. |
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| 17:26.46 | Lunessa | stabs Active Directory with an icepick |
| 17:27.16 | Kraps | Ysera is the next aspect to die |
| 17:27.22 | myrkraverk | Lunessa, rule of thumb, never use software with the name "active" in it |
| 17:27.39 | Cide | dude |
| 17:27.43 | Cide | ActiveState Komodo ftw |
| 17:27.45 | foxlit | goodbye, ActivePython. |
| 17:27.53 | Cide | best python ide I've tried |
| 17:27.56 | Kalroth | there's going to be a Fisker dragon in next expansion, he's going to look at you with big eyes and say "You wouldn't .." |
| 17:27.59 | myrkraverk | ;-D |
| 17:28.04 | Lunessa | myrkraverk: Actually, Active Directory doesn't suck. I'm just pissed off an the sheer number of users making stupid mistakes requiring my intervention today. |
| 17:28.24 | myrkraverk | Lunessa, ;-D |
| 17:28.34 | myrkraverk | that doesn't prevent me from using my rule of thumb |
| 17:28.55 | Lunessa | Frankly, I shouldn't be at work today. It's not healthy for users. Someone is likely to end up injured. |
| 17:30.23 | foxlit | Hm, I'm convinced this code doesn't forget to free allocated variables, but the memory usage of the service it gets plugged into keeps creeping up :/ |
| 17:30.27 | Cide | Fisker: "Æ satse på å finn kjæligheten i azeroth" <= danish? |
| 17:30.28 | myrkraverk | is there a way to see where the event originated from? If I can detect Misspells, I can work around it easily |
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| 17:30.38 | Cide | or norwegian? |
| 17:31.04 | myrkraverk | I'm not sure, I've forgotten my danish ;/ |
| 17:31.25 | Audible_ | Cide : its north norwegian |
| 17:31.27 | Audible_ | dialect |
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| 17:31.30 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 17:31.38 | Fisker | because that sure as hell isn't written norwegian :P |
| 17:31.49 | myrkraverk | Fisker, well, it *is* written ;-P |
| 17:32.01 | Cide | so not danish then? |
| 17:32.05 | Fisker | nope |
| 17:32.06 | Audible_ | Cide : no |
| 17:32.11 | Cide | alright, thanks |
| 17:32.13 | Audible_ | Cide : btw, who wrote you ? |
| 17:32.22 | Fisker | It's close anyways so it's understandable |
| 17:32.24 | Cide | not me, a friend asked |
| 17:32.38 | Audible_ | haha, a friend :P |
| 17:32.49 | Cide | huh? |
| 17:32.57 | Audible_ | anyway, it means " I want to find love in Azeroth" |
| 17:32.59 | Cide | <Dezzimal> Æ satse på å finn kjæligheten i azeroth |
| 17:32.59 | Cide | <Dezzimal> what language is this? finnish? |
| 17:33.11 | Cide | yes, I'm a swede so I know what it means |
| 17:33.25 | frontendloader | oh hows it going |
| 17:33.27 | Fisker | finnish lol |
| 17:33.37 | foxlit | finnish is crazy, really. |
| 17:33.37 | Audible_ | Cide : just joking with you, " A friend had this question bla bla bla " |
| 17:33.41 | Fisker | it's not finnish unless there's ellelelelelele on it |
| 17:33.48 | Cide | ^ |
| 17:45.45 | Seerah | Lunessa: probably not, but we'll see :) |
| 17:46.05 | Seerah | supposed to snow tonight a bit, too. so maybe tomorrow? (Though that would be more students to have to make up) |
| 17:47.24 | Lunessa | Tomorrow is Saturday. :) |
| 17:49.08 | Lopeppeppy | Just means I have to get up early to do the laundry. :( |
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| 17:52.45 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh if you plug the hero to a computer using USB will it then use the computer's internet connection or still try to use whatever 3g/gsm connection it can make? |
| 17:52.53 | ckknight | Is there any way to tell if a mob is a "boss" without its UnitClassification being "worldboss"? e.g. Taragaman the Hungerer in RFC |
| 17:53.12 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: no |
| 17:53.12 | Fisker | mob id? |
| 17:53.16 | jnwhiteh | its just a usb device |
| 17:53.16 | nevcairiel | Fisker: android phones usually never try to use the computers network connection |
| 17:53.18 | nevcairiel | i doubt thats even possible |
| 17:53.22 | jnwhiteh | you can use wifi tho, so dunno why you would do that |
| 17:53.22 | Fisker | baw jnwhiteh :( |
| 17:53.27 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: you coudl do a reverse tether |
| 17:53.29 | jnwhiteh | but no one does |
| 17:53.31 | jnwhiteh | becuase there's no point in it. |
| 17:53.35 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 17:53.38 | Fisker | because i don't bother with wifi |
| 17:53.45 | Fisker | and nevcairiel all devices i've had before have done that |
| 17:53.57 | Fisker | well not all, but all newer ones :P |
| 17:53.58 | nevcairiel | you had weird phones |
| 17:54.01 | Fisker | no u |
| 17:54.20 | nevcairiel | If i connect a phone to my comp, i'm more likely to want to use the connection the phone has at my comp |
| 17:54.25 | nevcairiel | and not the other way around |
| 17:55.22 | Fisker | it's weird though |
| 17:55.47 | Fisker | all the phones i've had using your phone as a modem for the computer has been standard |
| 17:56.03 | Fisker | But it seems with a lot of us phones that it's not and actually something networks charge for |
| 17:56.05 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 17:56.08 | Seerah | Lunessa: yes, I teach on Saturdays :) |
| 17:56.29 | nevcairiel | In the UMTS era, they started to charge extra for tethering ;) |
| 17:56.41 | kd3 | whee |
| 17:56.41 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 17:56.45 | kd3 | entirely too cold for atlanta |
| 17:56.54 | kd3 | not going to hit freezing and ice everywhere |
| 17:56.54 | nevcairiel | I'm still kidna disappointed that Android didnt come with built-in tethering, though |
| 17:56.59 | nevcairiel | even if only bluetooth |
| 17:57.34 | Fisker | Well in the US didn't you use to pay for texting? |
| 17:57.44 | Fisker | err |
| 17:57.45 | jnwhiteh | still do |
| 17:57.50 | Fisker | recieving texts that is :P |
| 17:57.55 | nevcairiel | My mobile carrier doesnt care about tethering, they don't care what i do with my connection |
| 17:58.00 | nevcairiel | but others do |
| 17:58.26 | Fisker | well yeah they want to throw that annoying usb dongle + data plan in your face |
| 17:58.26 | jnwhiteh | still do |
| 17:58.35 | Cide | kd3: -16f here |
| 17:58.38 | jnwhiteh | pay for receiving texts |
| 17:58.41 | Fisker | that's just insane |
| 17:58.50 | nevcairiel | you pay for receiving texts? wtf |
| 17:58.55 | nevcairiel | can you decide if you want to receive one? |
| 17:59.03 | nevcairiel | or can i just send you one, and it costs you? |
| 17:59.10 | kd3 | cide; yes. but you're used to that up where you live |
| 17:59.20 | Seerah | I would pay 10 cents if you sent me a text |
| 17:59.25 | Fisker | Here a text costs like 4 cents to send, and nothing to receive |
| 17:59.28 | kd3 | we're not. all of the schools are closed. all of the tv/radio stations are telling people not to go anywhere if they can help it |
| 17:59.36 | Cide | haha |
| 17:59.39 | Fisker | and that's just the usual "pay as you go"-model |
| 17:59.42 | nevcairiel | I pay just 8 Euro-Cents for sending international texts |
| 17:59.52 | Cide | -45f in another part of sweden atm |
| 18:00.01 | nevcairiel | US is crazy |
| 18:00.08 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 18:00.58 | Lunessa | Seerah: AH, Dr. Quon understand. |
| 18:03.12 | jnwhiteh | Kalu'ak or Explorer's League |
| 18:03.14 | jnwhiteh | do they have tabard? |
| 18:03.18 | nevcairiel | no |
| 18:03.19 | jnwhiteh | cause SoH doesn't, it seems. |
| 18:03.46 | Kraps | wheres the "thrall and carine saving babies" picture from? |
| 18:03.47 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 18:03.48 | nevcairiel | Explorer's League you'll eventually finish from spill-over reputation |
| 18:03.54 | jnwhiteh | i have no tabards to wear =/ |
| 18:04.04 | nevcairiel | i did it that way |
| 18:04.13 | nevcairiel | kalu'ak i had to quest =P |
| 18:04.33 | jnwhiteh | I'm Exalted with AC, Kirin Tor, Alliance Vanguard, The Silver Covenant and Valiance Expedition |
| 18:04.56 | nevcairiel | Just wear no reputation tabard, and the spill-over will fill explorer's leage and frostborn |
| 18:05.05 | kd3 | ^ |
| 18:05.11 | kd3 | is wearing his scarlet crusade tabard again |
| 18:05.25 | jnwhiteh | maybe there's factions I've not run into yet? |
| 18:05.32 | nevcairiel | not with tabards |
| 18:05.58 | Lopeppeppy | is COLD! |
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| 18:06.36 | Fisker | Wyrmrest and Ebon Blade? |
| 18:06.38 | Lopeppeppy | One of my office windows is cracked, and the wind is just insane. I wanna go home! |
| 18:07.04 | Fisker | ctrl+alt+del and end the office proccess Lopeppeppy |
| 18:07.23 | jnwhiteh | Am i missing anything? |
| 18:07.24 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/6bf12e3307e6316eb64bb6f9ed62358e.png |
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| 18:07.29 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmm, so tempted, but I took so much time off for drs. this week. |
| 18:07.34 | jnwhiteh | I'm not honored with Wyrmrest so I can't do that. |
| 18:08.07 | Fisker | Ashen Verdict, but that's a raid thing |
| 18:08.43 | nevcairiel | they only give you tabards on honored? didnt they use to do that earlier? |
| 18:08.48 | nevcairiel | or am i confused? |
| 18:08.51 | jnwhiteh | I don't know |
| 18:08.55 | Fisker | friendly |
| 18:08.56 | Fisker | i think |
| 18:08.57 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 18:08.58 | Cide | they give on friendly |
| 18:09.00 | jnwhiteh | i should go try then |
| 18:09.10 | nevcairiel | yeah get wyrmrest |
| 18:09.13 | Fisker | rep is pretty easy now though |
| 18:09.22 | Fisker | if you're starting over that is |
| 18:09.29 | Fisker | because they doubled quest rep or so |
| 18:09.48 | jnwhiteh | i dont do quests |
| 18:09.50 | jnwhiteh | i mean i could |
| 18:09.56 | jnwhiteh | but, i just opened SoH =) |
| 18:10.00 | jnwhiteh | i'm a bit.. behind. |
| 18:10.09 | Fisker | SoH is so damn easy it's laughable |
| 18:10.12 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: I've head the Acer Liquid is really nice |
| 18:10.21 | Fisker | 600 rep per 10 [Relic of Ulduar] |
| 18:10.24 | jnwhiteh | speed-wise it beats the Nexus on a default build, people are saying. |
| 18:10.27 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: yeah I have a bunch too |
| 18:10.28 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 18:10.28 | Fisker | Doing the questline lands you just short of revered |
| 18:10.36 | Antiarc | Interesting. |
| 18:10.45 | Antiarc | The first hit for it in google laments its battery life, heh |
| 18:11.01 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 18:11.01 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 18:11.23 | jnwhiteh | any high-activity smart phone is going to have short battery life |
| 18:11.35 | jnwhiteh | short(er) |
| 18:11.47 | nevcairiel | I wanted to get the Acer Liquid until i decided to get the Droid for its HW keyboard |
| 18:12.00 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 18:12.07 | jnwhiteh | lots of people choose the keyboard |
| 18:12.08 | kdtresh | jnwhiteh: unless it has a gigantic battery and weighs a ton |
| 18:12.13 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 18:12.27 | jnwhiteh | that's what I don't get.. match the iphone form factor |
| 18:12.31 | jnwhiteh | and blow its battery out of the water lol |
| 18:13.03 | Fisker | You can always use those chinese batteries that are like 3 times the size, 2 times the capacity and comes with this ugly battery cover |
| 18:13.03 | Fisker | :D |
| 18:13.35 | jnwhiteh | YOU WOULDN'T CHINESE A FISKER! |
| 18:13.40 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:13.47 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 18:14.06 | Fisker | btw my 8-ball says that sometime within the next few hours you'll get a tracking number |
| 18:14.31 | jnwhiteh | hah |
| 18:14.33 | jnwhiteh | we'll see =) |
| 18:15.31 | Cide | nexus one battery > iphone 3gs battery? |
| 18:15.59 | Fisker | likely not |
| 18:16.04 | nevcairiel | most smartphones have better batterys then the iphones |
| 18:16.07 | nevcairiel | or at least battery life |
| 18:16.19 | nevcairiel | maybe the iphone just uses too much power |
| 18:17.27 | Fisker | well the nexus one have a much greater potential for using the battery |
| 18:17.38 | Fisker | with a 1GHz Snapdragon and a 800x480 resolution |
| 18:18.09 | Fisker | but it's higher capacity atleast :P |
| 18:18.14 | Fisker | the nexus one battery |
| 18:19.10 | Lunessa | This - http://runleiarun.com/lebowski/ - is awesome. |
| 18:20.23 | Hjalte | Lunessa: concurrent hits exceeded |
| 18:20.24 | Fisker | concurrent hits exceeded |
| 18:20.28 | Fisker | how awesome of you Lunessa |
| 18:20.36 | Fisker | i was first Hjalte |
| 18:20.40 | Fisker | lay down frostmourne |
| 18:20.41 | Hjalte | Oh yeah? |
| 18:20.47 | Fisker | yeah |
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| 18:20.51 | Lunessa | It's a small site. *shrug* try again soon. |
| 18:20.51 | Fisker | and i will grant you a just death |
| 18:24.29 | jnwhiteh | grr |
| 18:24.33 | jnwhiteh | everyone on my server apparently runs gearscore |
| 18:24.43 | Adys | tell them to go to hell |
| 18:24.44 | Adys | all of them |
| 18:25.07 | industrial | jnwhiteh: not just your server |
| 18:25.13 | industrial | its the new universal pug plague |
| 18:25.25 | industrial | after achievements |
| 18:25.47 | Adys | Fisker: I just noticed I can write "retarded" with only my left index without moving my hand |
| 18:26.08 | industrial | retardedretardedretarded |
| 18:26.09 | industrial | haha |
| 18:26.13 | Adys | also industrial at least achievements somewhat made sense |
| 18:26.33 | industrial | Adys: I do not think it makes sens that my alt is blamed for its lack of raid achievements. |
| 18:26.36 | industrial | sense* |
| 18:26.48 | Adys | hence "somewhat" |
| 18:27.00 | Adys | also remember some people might want experience as a class in the dungeon |
| 18:27.18 | jnwhiteh | SexyGroups is nice for that. |
| 18:27.18 | Adys | not just "I got rushed through totgc25 on my hunter and now my rogue doesnt get to go" |
| 18:27.25 | jnwhiteh | don't need a fucking gear score for it. |
| 18:28.15 | Adys | kd3, nevcairiel, any of you had stutter issues on wow with pulse? |
| 18:28.29 | kd3 | yes. why I'm back to using alsa again |
| 18:28.48 | Seerah | jnwhiteh: its name's been changed, btw: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15573-ElitistGroup.html |
| 18:28.59 | jnwhiteh | Seerah: =/ |
| 18:29.02 | jnwhiteh | i liked sexygroup |
| 18:29.05 | industrial | remembers trying to ask about alsa in any linux channel and getting slapped with ALSA IS OLD USE OSS NABCAEK |
| 18:29.10 | Adys | kd3: here it happens but only if the game starts up muted and i unmute it after its started |
| 18:29.20 | Antiarc | jnwhiteh: That produced interesting results when googling |
| 18:29.23 | Antiarc | Which is why it was changed. |
| 18:29.29 | Kalroth | SexyGroup is now used to find partners for stormwind tram groups |
| 18:29.29 | jnwhiteh | hahahahaha |
| 18:29.31 | jnwhiteh | hahahahahahaha |
| 18:29.33 | industrial | loool |
| 18:29.59 | industrial | SexyGroup, Gnome & Dwarf Swingers? |
| 18:30.02 | Adys | wow. |
| 18:31.19 | Fisker | omg lol |
| 18:31.25 | Fisker | http://gizmodo.com/5443814/archaic-government-software-helped-underwear-bomber-get-on-plane |
| 18:31.28 | Seerah | :D |
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| 18:45.33 | Shadowed | It's kind of funny how zealot-y people get over killing gearscore |
| 18:52.44 | ZorbaTHut | people love dividing humanity into "us" and "them", where "them" are evil and stupid |
| 18:52.54 | ZorbaTHut | some people have done it with gearscore, on both sides of the debate. |
| 18:53.25 | Pneumatus | if gearscore didn't use such shit metrics it might be a bit less hated |
| 18:53.34 | industrial | Thats because we differ in opinion about skill |
| 18:53.52 | industrial | namely I believer skill is totally unrelated to a 'character's progression'. |
| 18:53.52 | ZorbaTHut | pneumatus, I hear he's improving it for 3.1 |
| 18:54.01 | ZorbaTHut | (gearscore 3.1, that is) |
| 18:54.02 | durcyn | http://vimeo.com/8616405 < The A-Team trailer leaked. must. watch. |
| 18:54.14 | industrial | the what now? *watch* |
| 18:54.15 | Pneumatus | well, it couldnt get any worse |
| 18:54.37 | Pneumatus | unless he switched back to the old comms model of sending messages every inventory update |
| 18:55.02 | ZorbaTHut | pneumatus, it totally could, he could be trying to measure things more accurately and actually making it more flawed ;) |
| 18:57.32 | Pneumatus | well, its not innacurate now |
| 18:57.37 | Pneumatus | its just using a poor metric :) |
| 18:57.47 | industrial | and way to judge people :p |
| 18:57.49 | durcyn | industrial: the tank bit is amazing. |
| 18:57.59 | industrial | durcyn: ... the tank bit made it fail |
| 18:58.25 | durcyn | man, opinions. |
| 18:58.29 | industrial | =D |
| 18:58.43 | industrial | it was totally believable up to that |
| 18:58.50 | industrial | no flipping cars every 6 seconds |
| 18:59.16 | industrial | etc |
| 18:59.37 | Shadowed | He's not really improving Gearscore in 3.1 |
| 18:59.46 | Shadowed | last I heard he's going to do things like check hit/defense, but he's not going to calculate it using gems |
| 19:00.33 | industrial | eh? why dont you just take the total stats and check for important class+spec caps |
| 19:01.11 | Shadowed | he's going to weight stats, but he does things like weight STR asb being fine etc |
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| 19:01.33 | Shadowed | It's basically just a less inefficient and poorer version of what EG does |
| 19:02.04 | Shadowed | errr |
| 19:02.06 | Shadowed | a more inefficient |
| 19:02.08 | industrial | just hearing that so devalues any future 'whats ur gearscore? 6000!' i'll read in wow.. |
| 19:02.10 | haste | lol wut, random post by jnwhiteh on xda-devs! |
| 19:02.27 | Shadowed | Well, gems are a huge pain in the ass to scan because Blizzard did something wonky with them |
| 19:02.27 | industrial | haste: heh |
| 19:02.55 | Pneumatus | 6000 is high? |
| 19:03.03 | industrial | whatever. I dont know. |
| 19:03.04 | Shadowed | 6000 is ICC 25 gear as far as I know |
| 19:03.29 | industrial | Shadowed: I must be misunderstanding something, dont gems add to stats? why not take the total stats from the characterframe |
| 19:03.42 | jnwhiteh | haste: not quite random, lol |
| 19:03.43 | Shadowed | industrial: Because you can't get the total stats of inspected people like taht |
| 19:03.47 | Shadowed | that* |
| 19:03.55 | industrial | oh hm right |
| 19:04.01 | Shadowed | And even if you could, that would include buffs/base stats/etc |
| 19:04.17 | Fisker | btw ckknight |
| 19:04.22 | Fisker | wasn't i totally useful and helpful? |
| 19:04.39 | industrial | Fisker wants a pat on the butt |
| 19:04.57 | Shadowed | Pneumatus: Look at the new gearscore recount method thought, that's pretty amusing |
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| 19:06.50 | Fisker | oh yes industrial |
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| 19:07.33 | Trel | Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong with this macro |
| 19:07.35 | Trel | "/script CheckInbox() for m = GetInboxNumItems(), 1, -1 do local _, _, _, subject = GetInboxHeaderInfo( m ); if subject:match("^Auction expired:") then TakeInboxItem( m ) end" |
| 19:08.01 | Shadowed | You can't process all your mail at the same time |
| 19:08.04 | Shadowed | you can only do one at a time |
| 19:10.09 | Trel | That can't be it |
| 19:10.11 | Trel | "/script CheckInbox() for m = GetInboxNumItems(), 1, -1 do local _, _, _, subject = GetInboxHeaderInfo( m ); DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage( subject ) end" |
| 19:10.20 | Trel | that outputs the subject for each message |
| 19:10.23 | Trel | and it works |
| 19:10.40 | Shadowed | There's a differene between looking at the contents of a mail and processing it |
| 19:10.46 | Shadowed | s/differene/difference/ |
| 19:12.33 | industrial | how do auto mail collect addons work generally then? with an unopdate (while) with end criterium being the mailbox empty :>? |
| 19:13.05 | Shadowed | Loot mail -> Wait for update -> Repeat |
| 19:13.31 | Shadowed | I think Postal uses something a little more complex, but QA just loots mail and then waits for the mailbox to say it updated (with a little more for inventory full/etc cases) |
| 19:15.31 | Trel | I'm confused more, because "/script CheckInbox() for m = GetInboxNumItems(), 1, -1 do TakeInboxItem( m ) end" works |
| 19:15.38 | Trel | I just wanna put a subject check in there too |
| 19:17.09 | Trel | but when I do that it stops working, which is why I'm still confused as to the difference in processing and looking |
| 19:17.55 | Kraps | whats the best RP realm? |
| 19:18.11 | Kraps | dumb question, i know |
| 19:18.36 | Kraps | "whats the best class in wow" |
| 19:18.46 | KarlKFI | paladin, duh |
| 19:19.06 | Kraps | heh |
| 19:19.10 | KarlKFI | horde couldn't even play without them |
| 19:21.47 | Kraps | where can i find a sortable list of all realms and their type? |
| 19:22.07 | alestane | doesn't tackle Peppy's headache. |
| 19:23.10 | Lopeppeppy | Please no. It's almost sorta under control now, after a long day of dark rooms and many drugs. |
| 19:23.20 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: nothing yet |
| 19:23.33 | myrkraverk | I am slighly confused, what do I hook if I want to respend to tab presses in the edit box? |
| 19:24.00 | myrkraverk | do I securehook ChatEdit_OnTabPressed or ChatEdit_SecureTabPressed or ChatEdit_CustomTabPressed ? |
| 19:24.44 | Kraps | what are the pros/cons of not being in a realm of your time zone? |
| 19:25.00 | Kraps | does it affect latency? |
| 19:25.10 | Lopeppeppy | Not that I've ever noticed. |
| 19:25.33 | Lopeppeppy | Pro: if you don't work normal hours, find a server in a time zone that more closely matches your work hours. Yay, more people to play with! |
| 19:25.40 | Fisker | oh it'll come jnwhiteh! |
| 19:25.53 | Lopeppeppy | Cons: They say raid is at 5. You show up at 5. But they meant 5 *their time*. This happens a lot. |
| 19:27.38 | jnwhiteh | Jim is hungry |
| 19:28.39 | Lopeppeppy | Jim should eat. |
| 19:28.42 | Fisker | http://gizmodo.com/5443892/target-pulls-a-best-buy-offers-a-99-video-game-setup-service <-genius |
| 19:31.01 | NeoTron | Kraps: it matters |
| 19:31.10 | NeoTron | but not necessarily by timezone |
| 19:31.21 | NeoTron | like connecting to Hyjal I get about 8ms latency |
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| 19:38.17 | Lunessa | Kraps: http://www.wowwiki.com/US_realm_list_by_datacenter - for latency, pick a data center closest to you. |
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| 19:44.04 | Kraps | ah so the timezones are not dependent on the datacenters |
| 19:45.10 | Dewin | Correct. |
| 19:45.23 | Dewin | I think that's silly, but whatever. |
| 19:45.47 | Lunessa | I live closest to the Dallas data center, and my server happens to be a) RP, and b) same time zone. Go me. :) |
| 19:46.16 | Dewin | I live closest to the Seattle data center, unless there's a Portland one now. |
| 19:46.27 | Dewin | I've actually been right outside the door to the Seattle data center. |
| 19:46.46 | Kraps | thats what i'm going for Lunessa |
| 19:46.54 | Dewin | (I have servers in the same building but a different host) |
| 19:49.40 | ccox | ok, another little "wake up and pay attention" earthquake: 2 good bumps and 15 seconds of surfing |
| 19:49.49 | Lunessa | is seriously considering ordering pizza delivery 'cause it's freaking cold. |
| 19:50.24 | nevcairiel | with freaking cold pizza? |
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| 19:58.21 | ShadowFire | any1 using addon studio with windows 7 ? |
| 19:58.31 | Fisker | time is nearing |
| 19:58.34 | Fisker | i can feel it |
| 19:58.49 | ShadowFire | nearing for what? |
| 19:59.42 | haste | People are using add-on studio oO? |
| 19:59.59 | haste | isn't it buggy beyond windows and unmaintained into oblivion? |
| 20:00.24 | ShadowFire | well it has 1 year to be updated |
| 20:00.58 | ShadowFire | and it's using VS 2008 SP1 which is not instalable in windows 7 |
| 20:01.54 | nevcairiel | works for me, vs2008 on 7, that is |
| 20:01.58 | durcyn | and it's a big useless pile of shit. |
| 20:02.00 | durcyn | so. |
| 20:02.03 | ccox | I love how the USGS gets input from the public about how a quake was felt |
| 20:02.05 | nevcairiel | not that i tried addon studio |
| 20:02.12 | ccox | most quakes get a few responses, some get a couple hundred |
| 20:02.18 | ShadowFire | maybe it's not SP1 |
| 20:02.25 | ccox | something hits the bay area: 18k responses |
| 20:03.57 | Shadowed | The addon studio was never that good :p |
| 20:04.05 | Shadowed | maybe when it first came out and we didn't have CreateFrame |
| 20:04.30 | Adys | [22:03:57] <Shadowed> The addon studio was never that good :p |
| 20:04.31 | Adys | no |
| 20:04.33 | Adys | its fucking terrible |
| 20:04.39 | Shadowed | hey I'm being nice |
| 20:04.50 | nevcairiel | the addon studio came out long after we already had createframe |
| 20:04.56 | Adys | i had to rewrite an entire fucking addon because of the piece of crap using a 2mb xml |
| 20:05.22 | Shadowed | Pretty sure it came out before? I dunno |
| 20:05.31 | Adys | createframe is very old |
| 20:05.40 | Adys | older than bc, AS isnt |
| 20:05.45 | Shadowed | hrm really |
| 20:05.48 | Shadowed | I could swear AS was older than that |
| 20:05.52 | ShadowFire | createframe function you mean ? |
| 20:05.53 | Adys | createframe is like 1.6 |
| 20:05.55 | Adys | yes |
| 20:06.00 | Shadowed | it wasn't useful till I think 1.12? |
| 20:06.12 | Adys | !api createframe |
| 20:06.13 | lua_bot | CreateFrame: Creates a new Frame object (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CreateFrame) |
| 20:06.29 | Adys | CreateFrame() was added in 1.10 |
| 20:06.45 | nevcairiel | addonstudio was BC, iirc |
| 20:06.58 | Shadowed | Addon stdio, or WoW UI designer? |
| 20:07.06 | nevcairiel | addon studio |
| 20:07.07 | Adys | addon stupid |
| 20:07.10 | Adys | studio |
| 20:07.12 | Shadowed | k that's why, I was thinking designer |
| 20:07.13 | Adys | thats a honest typo |
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| 20:10.05 | Fisker | where's our damn wow armory update? |
| 20:10.26 | foxlit | Honestly, XML/CreateFrame has nothing to do with AS being bad. |
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| 20:10.43 | Adys | nobody said it did |
| 20:10.48 | Adys | well |
| 20:10.50 | Adys | createframe |
| 20:10.57 | Adys | xml in AS is very terrible |
| 20:11.30 | foxlit | Things wouldn't really be improved if AS generated Lua code instead :) |
| 20:11.38 | Adys | imagine those 1995 wysiwyg html editors |
| 20:11.41 | Adys | amplified 150 times |
| 20:11.46 | nevcairiel | frontpage! |
| 20:12.52 | cbreak | The original security hole |
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| 20:19.37 | frontendloader | dreamweaver |
| 20:19.38 | frontendloader | mmmm |
| 20:26.08 | cbreak | dreamweaver isn't bad |
| 20:26.12 | cbreak | it can work as a text editor |
| 20:26.25 | cbreak | (maybe it got bad in version 2) |
| 20:27.07 | nevcairiel | i used dreamweaver back in the day before they went with all those "CS" releases |
| 20:27.12 | nevcairiel | but mostly as a big text editor |
| 20:27.21 | nevcairiel | man thats years ago already |
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| 20:36.48 | T_C | i am amused that mibbit is blocked from freenode |
| 20:37.22 | Adys | why? |
| 20:37.41 | T_C | i have no idea, but when i tried to use it freenode said GTFO |
| 20:38.14 | Adys | I mean |
| 20:38.17 | Adys | why are you amused? |
| 20:38.19 | T_C | "Connections via mibbit are no longer supported on freenode." is what i got |
| 20:38.35 | T_C | oh |
| 20:38.44 | Adys | it was because of spammers, btw |
| 20:38.55 | nevcairiel | it always is because of spammers, silly them |
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| 20:38.57 | T_C | because i imagined that Fisker did it all by himself |
| 20:39.04 | nevcairiel | maybe he did |
| 20:39.18 | T_C | i wouldnt put it past him |
| 20:40.27 | T_C | though i am not sure exactly how using their own web interface really helps, i mean shure you can find the IP that way but it isnt all that hard to change |
| 20:40.33 | T_C | sure* |
| 20:40.49 | T_C | and if you can go through a proxy.... |
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| 20:42.13 | Arrowmaster | they got peoples ips from mibbit too, its just some political crap that they are blocking it |
| 20:43.12 | T_C | which seems strange that they would have their own then |
| 20:43.18 | T_C | but i guess thats just me |
| 20:43.36 | Adys | how can a timedelta be negative? |
| 20:43.43 | Adys | s/how can/why would/ |
| 20:44.04 | Fisker | can you feeel it? |
| 20:44.53 | Adys | I can |
| 20:45.10 | Fisker | no rly |
| 20:45.39 | T_C | hey Fisker |
| 20:48.10 | Fisker | hey T_C |
| 20:48.20 | T_C | hey Fisker |
| 20:49.51 | Fisker | hey T_C |
| 20:49.57 | T_C | hey Fisker |
| 20:49.59 | Fisker | hey T_CÂ |
| 20:50.02 | T_C | hey Fisker |
| 20:50.04 | Fisker | hey T_CÂ |
| 20:50.05 | T_C | hey Fisker |
| 20:50.10 | Fisker | hey T_CÂ Â |
| 20:50.11 | T_C | hey Fisker |
| 20:50.13 | Fisker | hey T_CÂ Â |
| 20:50.14 | T_C | hey Fisker |
| 20:50.15 | Fisker | hey T_CÂ Â Â |
| 20:50.16 | T_C | hey Fisker |
| 20:50.17 | Fisker | hey T_CÂ Â Â |
| 20:50.18 | T_C | hey Fisker |
| 20:50.20 | Fisker | hey T_CÂ Â Â Â |
| 20:50.21 | T_C | hey Fisker |
| 20:50.22 | Fisker | hey T_CÂ Â Â Â |
| 20:50.23 | T_C | hey Fisker |
| 20:50.26 | Fisker | fu |
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| 20:50.31 | ZorbaTHut | t_c wins |
| 20:50.39 | T_C | does a dance |
| 20:51.00 | Lunessa | hates you both in equal measure. |
| 20:51.12 | Fisker | to be fair i stopped it first |
| 20:51.21 | cbreak | weird |
| 20:51.25 | cbreak | is Shiibot dead? |
| 20:51.26 | T_C | then that means both me /and/ Fisker win |
| 20:51.30 | durcyn | to be fair, you're both tossers |
| 20:51.54 | T_C | no, that wasnt spam as per Shiibot's rule set |
| 20:52.10 | T_C | since it was alternating between more than one user |
| 20:52.27 | nevcairiel | but you repeated the same line multiple times |
| 20:52.32 | nevcairiel | i thought it would pick that up now |
| 20:52.33 | Fisker | i didn't |
| 20:52.34 | T_C | eg. if you came in here with 2 accnts and spammed between them i dont think Shiibot would ban or mute |
| 20:53.41 | T_C | that would mean Shiibot would have to remember lines versus looking at the last and counting |
| 20:53.57 | T_C | but thats a good point, Shirik. go and do. |
| 20:55.05 | Shirik | huh? |
| 20:55.20 | Shirik | no, he's not banning you guys because the comments are too short |
| 20:55.20 | T_C | read up |
| 20:55.23 | durcyn | he wants you to ban him. |
| 20:55.44 | Cairenn | amro, foxlit: pong |
| 20:55.47 | nevcairiel | so we can spam short lines? |
| 20:55.56 | T_C | Shirik: so if someone came in here with 2 and split the msg's up between them it would ignore that? |
| 20:56.01 | Shirik | there are other procedures to handle that nevcairiel |
| 20:56.03 | T_C | 2 UN's* |
| 20:56.07 | Shirik | no T_C |
| 20:56.37 | Shirik | the reason it ignored you guys was because it was under the threshold. That's to prevent people that go "lol" too much from being banned |
| 20:56.55 | T_C | must be a big threshold |
| 20:57.10 | Shirik | Shiibot isn't going to, and will never be able to, catch everything |
| 20:57.19 | nevcairiel | I wonder if it actually banned someone that lol'ed or if he thought about that himself |
| 20:57.24 | Shirik | you guys probably got a high score but it wasn't obvious |
| 20:57.37 | Shirik | I thought of that myself because years ago I made that mistake |
| 20:58.18 | T_C | see Fisker if you had not stopped we would have been baned....you take all my fun away |
| 20:59.41 | T_C | lol WOT is showing a 3/5 for webchat.freenode.net in the category of child safety. |
| 21:00.23 | Shirik | yeah you got up to a score of 10, which is fairly high but not really anything to worry about |
| 21:00.55 | Fisker | does it go to 11? |
| 21:01.25 | T_C | at 11 you die |
| 21:04.11 | myrkraverk | When I hook ChatEdit_OnParseText, can I prevent the box from closing and sending? |
| 21:04.41 | myrkraverk | "nope, see this and now you must press enter again" |
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| 21:19.46 | Fisker | it is time Shirik |
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| 21:25.53 | ZorbaTHut | man I wish it were more possible to automate bulk disenchanting :( |
| 21:26.05 | foxlit | sigh. OS X Installer app sucks. |
| 21:26.36 | Cairenn | foxlit: pong |
| 21:26.44 | T_C | ZorbaTHut: same goes for milling |
| 21:26.46 | cbreak | how so? |
| 21:26.46 | foxlit | Cairenn: popup ads on wowi? :) |
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| 21:26.53 | Cairenn | foxlit: what one? |
| 21:26.55 | T_C | and the thing with the ore |
| 21:26.59 | cbreak | I tried to stay away from installers |
| 21:27.04 | Bruners | foxlit: let me fix that for you "sigh, OS X sucks" |
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| 21:27.06 | cbreak | since they all seem to be a major pain |
| 21:27.21 | Fisker | that's kinda sloppy |
| 21:27.33 | Fisker | there's pipes in ICC but they're cut off by wall geometry |
| 21:27.34 | foxlit | Cairenn: for me, clicking on the "Comments" tab on an addon page sometimes opens a partypoker ad in a new window. |
| 21:27.49 | Cairenn | foxlit: ah, yeah, that one .... /sigh .... >< |
| 21:27.52 | cbreak | noscript |
| 21:27.57 | cbreak | :) |
| 21:28.05 | foxlit | cbreak: firefox does not run on this platform. |
| 21:28.11 | ZorbaTHut | t_c, yeah |
| 21:28.13 | cbreak | lynx |
| 21:28.21 | foxlit | and neither does lynx. |
| 21:28.24 | cbreak | links |
| 21:28.25 | T_C | Cairenn: just go with "it's not us, you are infected" |
| 21:28.26 | ZorbaTHut | I've actually got an entire game design built around making crafting fun. maybe someday I'll actually sit down and do it |
| 21:28.26 | cbreak | mosaic |
| 21:28.35 | Cairenn | T_C: heh |
| 21:28.42 | cbreak | ... telnet? |
| 21:28.47 | ZorbaTHut | I've got some very vague prototypes right now, enough to show that it can be done, but not enough to be serious. someday, perhaps. |
| 21:28.51 | ccox | Zorba - enchantrix autoDE is about as close as you're going to get, since it'll always require a hardware event |
| 21:28.52 | cbreak | netcat?! |
| 21:29.02 | ZorbaTHut | ccox, yeah, I'm just wishing it didn't. |
| 21:29.03 | foxlit | cbreak: virtually nothing; it's an iPod. |
| 21:29.08 | ccox | ZorbaTHut: adding a key macro to trigger the "yes" button helps a lot |
| 21:29.12 | ZorbaTHut | or there was some way to do it in vast bulk, i.e. one hardware event per inventory set |
| 21:29.23 | foxlit | [You could ssh out and do things through that, but that's... cheating.] |
| 21:29.45 | ZorbaTHut | actually I've just got a trackball on the floor with the ball removed, I poke it with my foot every five seconds or so. and I'm running WoW on my laptop |
| 21:29.47 | foxlit | cbreak: In generally, PackageMaker/Installer have issues. |
| 21:29.58 | ZorbaTHut | (or, alternatively - and I know this is crazy talk - make crafting *fun*) |
| 21:30.09 | ZorbaTHut | (maaaaaadness) |
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| 21:30.21 | foxlit | I'd like to make something that simplifies an install process, but that combo just adds complexity. Installing something for the current user only is a headache. |
| 21:31.35 | cbreak | just copy it to ~/Applications |
| 21:31.46 | foxlit | cbreak: (a) It does not expand ~ |
| 21:31.46 | cbreak | as opposed to /Applications |
| 21:31.53 | cbreak | ... lame... |
| 21:32.01 | cbreak | I've seen installers that can do it strangely |
| 21:32.07 | cbreak | wonder how they did it |
| 21:32.25 | foxlit | [Actually, I'm installing to /Library/Stuff/ or ~/Library/Stuff/, but that part works] |
| 21:32.55 | foxlit | The problem is more that it asks for admin credentials to install to your home directory. |
| 21:33.08 | foxlit | And then fails to chmod the installed files to you. |
| 21:33.15 | cbreak | weird |
| 21:33.21 | cbreak | I've seen installers work without that |
| 21:33.36 | cbreak | you need to install things to Library? |
| 21:33.47 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 21:34.00 | foxlit | It's not an app; it's a plug-in. |
| 21:34.02 | cbreak | my apps so far were drag&drop installable :/ |
| 21:34.19 | cbreak | you can't make a disk image with two symlinks |
| 21:34.26 | cbreak | "Drop Here for system wide" |
| 21:34.30 | cbreak | and "Drop here for yourself" |
| 21:34.34 | cbreak | ? |
| 21:34.46 | durcyn | you could, but how many users know what that even means |
| 21:34.56 | cbreak | many apps are installed that way |
| 21:35.00 | T_C | i do, and i dont even use a mac |
| 21:35.01 | foxlit | "drop here" installs are relatively common. |
| 21:35.10 | cbreak | (they have a huge background image in that window that explains it) |
| 21:35.11 | foxlit | cbreak: Directories aren't guaranteed to exist (I wonder how that behavior would work in that case); and you also need to run something post-copy |
| 21:35.28 | cbreak | hmm. that'd lead to broken sym links |
| 21:35.31 | cbreak | so wouldn't work :( |
| 21:37.07 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder if it'd be possible to rig up the "drag and drop" thing so that the thing you drop it on is actually a program |
| 21:37.22 | ZorbaTHut | which did a small amount of basic install scripty stuff behind the scenes |
| 21:37.22 | cbreak | yeah. |
| 21:37.30 | cbreak | cheater. |
| 21:37.35 | foxlit | You could. You'd get the "zomg you're running things off the internet" warning, though |
| 21:37.40 | ZorbaTHut | that said, how much stuff post-copy do you need to install on osx? |
| 21:38.00 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: commonly, none. This is a bit of a special case. |
| 21:38.01 | cbreak | I've only seen few apps that really needed an installer |
| 21:38.08 | cbreak | things that install kernel modules and so on |
| 21:38.14 | cbreak | or those that start services |
| 21:38.16 | foxlit | But I'd like to kill/restart a service so that it picks up on the plug-in |
| 21:38.48 | cbreak | "Drop Here and reboot" :/ |
| 21:38.54 | cbreak | doesn't approve |
| 21:40.11 | foxlit | Which brings me to my conclusion: this install architecture sucks. |
| 21:40.46 | cbreak | I've seen worse |
| 21:41.05 | cbreak | (I worked for months packeting installers for company wide deployment on windows) |
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| 21:41.24 | cbreak | everything besides msi and some rare gems was totally worthless |
| 21:41.44 | cbreak | and some companies even managed to screw up their MSI to be unusable |
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| 21:43.16 | KarlKFI | when i've use the apple installer i usually end up writing a shell script to run |
| 21:44.03 | KarlKFI | you can also hack it and add a custom install option to uninstall by having it run another shell script |
| 21:44.45 | foxlit | which would get me the "this thing uses binary stuff" warnings |
| 21:44.57 | KarlKFI | there's a warnign for that? |
| 21:45.19 | KarlKFI | a shell script isn't a binary |
| 21:45.23 | foxlit | KarlKFI: yeah, it occasionally appears. Something about running scripts to determine whether software is installed. |
| 21:45.32 | foxlit | s/is installed/can be installed/ |
| 21:45.50 | KarlKFI | that's only if you're actually runnign a binary |
| 21:46.02 | KarlKFI | with a shell script it shouldn't complain |
| 21:46.05 | foxlit | I'm pretty sure it covers any preflight/postflight script. |
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| 21:46.23 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/323532987/ |
| 21:46.33 | foxlit | That is not to say it won't work -- and I suspect that's what they actually intend you to do -- but it's pretty low on my list of preferences. |
| 21:48.51 | foxlit | It's also odd that it seems to require admin permissions to install to your home directory. |
| 21:49.19 | Cralor` | Why can't I upload a file to my Curse addon xD |
| 21:51.14 | Fisker | it is sent jnwhiteh |
| 21:51.17 | Fisker | you know it |
| 21:51.30 | Fisker | makes funny noises and waves with his hands |
| 21:51.34 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: ? |
| 21:51.34 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 21:53.20 | Fisker | i'm like a psychic or whatever they're called |
| 21:54.05 | Cide | hmm, any resto druid pvper in here? |
| 21:54.12 | Cide | trying to figure out if 42 spirit or 21mp5 is better |
| 21:56.47 | Lunessa | Such a day, I mark thee, whereupon the winter of our discontent is neâer made glorious summer. A gentleman wiser than myself did say that on some such days, thou exits, pursued by a bear, and on others, the bear exits, pursued by you. |
| 21:57.33 | Adys | Cide: id say 21mp5 by far |
| 21:57.50 | Cide | tree gives more healing from spirit though |
| 21:59.02 | foxlit | ~7 sp, 42 spirit vs 21 mp5 |
| 22:01.51 | Adys | At the current exponentially decreasing rate of available IPv4 addresses, and the current exponentially increasing rate of tar --help options |
| 22:02.13 | Adys | I give a medal to whoever calculates the exact time when there will be more tar --help options than ipv4 addresses left |
| 22:03.07 | ccox | Adys - GCC options already passed the ipV4 limit |
| 22:03.35 | ccox | I've got a poster of most of the GCC options, set in 6 point type |
| 22:05.22 | Adys | I'm pretty sure tar --help is worse |
| 22:05.54 | foxlit | tar --help is like one page around here. |
| 22:06.05 | Adys | what kind of monitor you have? |
| 22:06.16 | foxlit | or, rather, one terminal window. |
| 22:06.27 | ccox | 4 pages here |
| 22:06.28 | Adys | adys@azura:~/src/django/tests/regressiontests$ tar --help | wc -l |
| 22:06.28 | Adys | 344 |
| 22:06.36 | foxlit | 24 |
| 22:06.45 | ccox | 185 |
| 22:07.06 | foxlit | perhaps a better question is what kind of tar do you have |
| 22:07.07 | ccox | plot the curve, send it to xkcd :-) |
| 22:07.36 | Adys | Lucid's |
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| 22:20.05 | Lopeppeppy | Oh look, I can has severe weather warning 2 hours too late! |
| 22:22.39 | Fisker | brrs outside Lopeppeppy's office |
| 22:23.34 | Lopeppeppy | I'm home now, dear, come freeze on the porch again. |
| 22:23.42 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 22:25.44 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/08/funny-pictures-mah-favrite-flavur/ |
| 22:25.51 | TheDude22 | its fun watching everyone else suffer just a little bit this year ;) (<--from WI) |
| 22:27.35 | ccox | And they are suffering: Arkansas has both of their snow plows going 24 hours now |
| 22:28.08 | Lopeppeppy | I'm just all safe at home now, hibernating. 3-5 inches isn't a terrible lot for my area, but I have no reason to drive in it either. |
| 22:30.12 | Cruciformer | well its nice n warm out here, I think I'll go for a midnight swim :) |
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| 22:40.22 | Fisker | i'm hibernating in jnwhiteh's mailbox |
| 23:04.35 | cbreak | Q: Will the Lich king die, or will he run away with his last health point? |
| 23:05.12 | Lunessa | The Lich King must NOT be destroyed! Don't you listen to the events in the ICC 5-mas? |
| 23:06.11 | cbreak | yeah. But have you ever seen Humans not destroy something, because it was dumb to do? |
| 23:06.36 | Lunessa | Naturally not. But Frostmourne hungers. |
| 23:06.41 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/01/hurt_people_so_funny_best_fail.php |
| 23:06.56 | cbreak | send it to africa, there it's in good company |
| 23:07.08 | Fisker | Lunessa why not? |
| 23:07.37 | Lunessa | Some soul must retain control of the Scourge to prevent the total destruction of Azeroth. |
| 23:08.05 | Fisker | how do you know? |
| 23:08.32 | Lunessa | Because a dead king said so. :P |
| 23:08.54 | Fisker | uther isn't a king O_o |
| 23:10.04 | cbreak | here's an idea: |
| 23:10.19 | cbreak | make the scourge take a bath in Mount Doom |
| 23:10.48 | Lunessa | Bah, Dead Paladin. What do I care, I'm Draenei. |
| 23:10.56 | Fisker | industrial :(? |
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| 23:11.25 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 23:12.08 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out. See you all Monday or something. |
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| 23:16.46 | mascondante | Ah my computer is much happier now =) |
| 23:16.50 | mascondante | System Mechanic FTW |
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| 23:17.58 | cbreak | System Mechanic? |
| 23:18.11 | cbreak | computers are not mechanical devices since the steam punk era |
| 23:18.20 | cbreak | (or, if you count that, since the Z2) |
| 23:19.15 | mikma | wobin: you must have LOVED the failcompilation that bad |
| 23:19.38 | Wobin | mikma, ? |
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| 23:23.44 | mikma | wobin: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/01/hurt_people_so_funny_best_fail.php |
| 23:24.32 | Wobin | eh nah |
| 23:24.47 | Wobin | I don't like those sorts of videos |
| 23:26.21 | cbreak | http://www.sambakza.net/peom/tteotta_eng.htm totally cute movie |
| 23:26.26 | cbreak | (1 of 5) |
| 23:29.50 | Fisker | hello Wobin |
| 23:31.44 | Fisker | ffffffffuuuuuu- |
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| 23:47.30 | Nechckn | Anyone play on a PVE realm with a large and active Horde population? |
| 23:47.54 | Polarina | Nope. |
| 23:48.17 | Nechckn | Have been irked trying to level a guy on a PVP one with what used to be an active population, but is no like a ghost town. |
| 23:48.27 | Nechckn | s/no/now/ |
| 23:51.37 | Fisker | nooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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| 23:52.01 | Polarina | Fisker: ? |
| 23:53.38 | Dagmar | Wouldn't it then be _easier_ if you're not being greifed constantly by bored 80's? |
| 23:54.48 | Nechckn | Dagmar the Alliance side does not have the issue |
| 23:54.58 | Fisker | first i forgot my ammo |
| 23:55.00 | Nechckn | The Horde side is the one that is no longer really active |
| 23:55.19 | Fisker | then i disengage over a ledge |
| 23:55.39 | Fisker | fmydailyrandom |
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| 23:56.29 | Dagmar | Oh... I see. |
| 23:56.45 | Dagmar | Not to sound heartless, but you *did* voluntarily elect to play on an asshole server |
| 23:57.35 | Nechckn | Well... it was to play with a friend who no longer plays, initially. Then I like the toon and all, but end up stopping simply because it is a hassle. |
| 23:57.48 | Dagmar | Yeah I have co-workers who wanted to form a guild and raid. |
| 23:57.52 | ScytheBlade1 | heh. looks like the "bad guys" finally got the email I use for WoW related stuff |
| 23:58.09 | Dagmar | For whatever insane reason, they listened to my boss and decided to make the guild on a _new_ PvP server. |
| 23:58.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I just got 4 emails concerning my account security! |
| 23:58.28 | Wobin | haha large and active Horde population =P |
| 23:58.38 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Examine 'em carefully. Sometimes they're actually from Blizz tellign you someone just changed yer contact info. |
| 23:58.46 | Dagmar | Obviously clicking on any of them would be bad |
| 23:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not the least bit worried about it. |
| 23:58.55 | Nechckn | Wobin well, reasonably so, anyway. I know it is like asking for the world. hehehe |
| 23:59.10 | Dagmar | Nechckn: Well, I got a DK on there to 68 and said eff it |
| 23:59.33 | Dagmar | The market is broken (too many speculators), there was griefing galore. |
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| 23:59.38 | Nechckn | I may just move him to a PVE where I have a BElf mage, just so they can keep each other company =) |
| 23:59.53 | Dagmar | I wound up telling them that then they got over their case of the stupids I'd faction transfer a spare DK over from a sane server |
