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| 00:07.55 | Thunder_Child | http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/415411main_south-field-full.jpg |
| 00:08.09 | WobWork | slapchops Fisker |
| 00:09.27 | WobWork | it's a ridiculously large universe out there... |
| 00:09.42 | Thunder_Child | i wish the image was bigger :( |
| 00:09.50 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/c76770a631f10d40420f377c6b9e193a.jpg |
| 00:09.54 | Shirik | Do you see the health on that boss? |
| 00:09.59 | Shirik | He just went immune |
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| 00:10.27 | Thunder_Child | no Shirik you can not show your UI any more. IT HURTS |
| 00:10.31 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:10.33 | Shirik | I don't care about looks |
| 00:10.36 | Shirik | I care about functionality |
| 00:10.41 | Shirik | I just throw stuff wherever it fits |
| 00:10.52 | Thunder_Child | and i'm talking about space, why do you even play in 3d |
| 00:11.08 | Shirik | rofl |
| 00:11.10 | Shirik | I don't! |
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| 00:11.26 | cog|work | cuts you with Failrik's Wrist-Flopper |
| 00:14.09 | Dagmar | Jesus.... I'd ask how he can function with all that on the screen, but then he's clearly healing |
| 00:14.24 | alestane | "All that" is the game he's playing. |
| 00:14.32 | alestane | It's all about health bars. |
| 00:14.32 | Dagmar | Well... "sort of" healing |
| 00:14.42 | Dagmar | Most of the group is already dead and he's in angle form |
| 00:14.46 | Dagmar | er angel |
| 00:15.34 | foxlit | Someone needs to turn off /dtchatevent. |
| 00:17.23 | WobWork | argh |
| 00:17.40 | WobWork | is the chrome default action for the mousewheel on a dropdown box to scroll the entire page? |
| 00:20.44 | ZorbaTHut | man, your UI is even more cluttered than mine is :P |
| 00:22.32 | Lopeppeppy | I would approve if you weren't using Grid. |
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| 00:23.00 | Lopeppeppy | Otherwise, my healing UI was just as "cluttered" so I could see health bars without squintificating and going blind. |
| 00:23.14 | Dagmar | I'm thinking that ss is a good example of why it always seems that healers just stand there and die instead of properly fleeing adds |
| 00:23.39 | foxlit | Party frames are mostly useless. |
| 00:24.00 | Lopeppeppy | My screen had more of the center clear so that I could see my feet to not stand in fire, etc. But yes. You want us to heal 40 people, you have to accept that we have 40 frames covering our screens demanding attention. |
| 00:24.03 | foxlit | And the action buttons are outright weird. |
| 00:24.26 | foxlit | Bandages appear to be bound to 7; PoM is off on some side bar, and mind vision appears twice. |
| 00:24.37 | Dagmar | What are those little white dots about |
| 00:24.45 | foxlit | Dagmar: default UI range indication |
| 00:24.50 | Dagmar | Ahhh |
| 00:24.53 | foxlit | They go red if your target is not in range. |
| 00:25.14 | Dagmar | I generally just set things so that the unit frame loses opacity |
| 00:25.44 | Dagmar | It works on the rare occasion that I'm not keeping one eye on the nearest healer |
| 00:25.52 | foxlit | Not quite the same -- your solution sort of kind of works for unit frames; this acts on action buttons. |
| 00:25.52 | Lopeppeppy | cuddles shirik. If it works, use it! |
| 00:26.15 | Shirik | foxlit: why turn it off :P |
| 00:26.17 | Shirik | I use it a lot |
| 00:26.18 | Dagmar | Well, I only really need it to let me know if I'm out of range of the healer |
| 00:26.24 | Thunder_Child | well 'works' is something of an opnion |
| 00:26.32 | Shirik | for the record Dagmar, I'm not stupid like you seem to indicate |
| 00:26.37 | Shirik | I can see perfectly fine |
| 00:26.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: if it works for him, it works. *shrug* |
| 00:26.46 | Dagmar | I don't think you're stupid, nor am I trying to indicate that |
| 00:26.56 | Dagmar | I think your display is not helping you any |
| 00:27.11 | Shirik | I think so long as I know how to kite anub to ice, avoid flame walls, and whatever else, there isn't a problem |
| 00:27.14 | ckknight | is there a better way to get UTC time than time(date("!*t"))? |
| 00:27.58 | foxlit | gmtime |
| 00:30.09 | Polarina | uses TAI time. |
| 00:30.32 | ckknight | foxlit: available in WoW? |
| 00:30.47 | foxlit | ckknight: probably not |
| 00:32.03 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: ah, but thats wasnt what was said |
| 00:32.16 | foxlit | you could ask the user for their timezone. Tbh, utc seems like a strange thing to want within wow. |
| 00:32.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: ah, but you're being pedantic. ;) |
| 00:32.59 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: always |
| 00:42.10 | cog|work | nick cog|away |
| 00:43.37 | DWSR | People who use away messages constantly suck ass. |
| 00:43.48 | DWSR | http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 00:44.19 | kd3 | whee |
| 00:44.26 | kd3 | the stocking up has begin |
| 00:44.29 | kd3 | s/begin/begun/ |
| 00:44.57 | kd3 | stores are already running thin on milk/bread/beer |
| 00:45.01 | kd3 | go go atlanta go! |
| 00:45.09 | Dagmar | I'm going at about 1:30am tonight |
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| 00:47.03 | Dagmar | ...by then all the "casual panickers" will have gone home, the place I go to will be restocking, and everyone else knows how to behave at a grocery store in the middle of the night. |
| 00:48.28 | Thunder_Child | stocking up of what? |
| 00:48.33 | DWSR | why? |
| 00:48.34 | DWSR | where? |
| 00:48.36 | DWSR | and so forth. |
| 00:48.37 | Thunder_Child | err..why |
| 00:48.44 | Dagmar | I don't get why beer is such a necessity |
| 00:48.46 | kd3 | because atlantans don't handle snow well |
| 00:48.57 | kd3 | rather, the s-word as I always refer to it in public |
| 00:48.59 | NightHawkTheSane | s/atlantans/southerners/ |
| 00:49.08 | Dagmar | In the southeast people see snow so infrequently they panic |
| 00:49.29 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, that really applies to anone except nothern middle america and the northeast. |
| 00:50.01 | Dagmar | It comes in one of two forms. "Flurries" which barely turn anything white, and "Flurries" which turns out to be two inches of ice that makes roads deadly and sends everyone back to pre-electricity times |
| 00:50.18 | Dagmar | You never know which one you're going to get until it starts falling |
| 00:50.32 | kd3 | I expect we'll get the latter. it's been sub-freezing long enough that the roads'll black ice |
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| 00:51.17 | Dagmar | Yeah they've been salting the last three nights here, just because a redneck hastily poring his beer out the window can cause a slick |
| 00:51.41 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: Yeah, but why would a redneck waste perfectly good beer like that? |
| 00:51.55 | kd3 | because there's a sobriety checkpoint ahead? |
| 00:52.15 | Dagmar | ...and they think the highway patrol won't remember that empty beer cans in the car count as an open container violation. |
| 00:52.20 | Nechckn | Probably more like puking it out the window since they drank a case while driving for the previous 20 minutes. =) |
| 00:52.32 | Dagmar | They're not drinking beer while on the road because they're a rocket scientist |
| 00:52.59 | Nechckn | I know a lot of people who actually drink and drive.. no joke. |
| 00:53.36 | Nechckn | like "Oh, we are driving to <some_place>, need to stop and grab a six pack" |
| 00:53.38 | Dagmar | I vastly preferred leaving a rave over leaving the typical nightclub |
| 00:53.45 | kd3 | http://wxug.com/US/GA/031.html#WIN |
| 00:53.46 | Nechckn | which just frikin' scares me |
| 00:53.54 | Dagmar | People who have eaten a few hits of acid and dropped a roll or two know damn well they can't drive |
| 00:53.57 | DWSR | Dagmar: Because at a rave everyone's higher than a kite? |
| 00:54.01 | Nechckn | agrees, Dagmar |
| 00:54.01 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 00:54.13 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 00:54.16 | DWSR | kd3: 2 inches? |
| 00:54.23 | Thunder_Child | tabs of acid |
| 00:54.24 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
| 00:54.27 | DWSR | AHAHAHAHA I got that in like the last hour. |
| 00:54.29 | Dagmar | Someone who's lost track of how many mixed drinks they've had frequently decide they're gonna be just fine |
| 00:54.40 | kd3 | like I said... atlantans don't handle snow all that well |
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| 00:55.06 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that's a lot of snow for down your way. Up here, it's a light dusting. |
| 00:55.12 | DWSR | Dagmar: That may have something to do with the fact that acid and other hallucinogens are just that. |
| 00:55.36 | Dagmar | Just what? "extremely unsubtle"? |
| 00:55.42 | DWSR | Hallucinogens. |
| 00:56.15 | theorbtwo | You can probably trip so hard that you can't tell that you are tripping... but at that point, you can't find your feet, much less your car. |
| 00:56.36 | Dagmar | been there, done that |
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| 00:56.52 | DWSR | Indeed. |
| 00:56.53 | Dagmar | You can find your feet fine tho. |
| 00:56.53 | Thunder_Child | lol http://goo.gl/5QnO |
| 00:57.05 | Dagmar | They're the watery looking things at the far end of you. |
| 00:57.44 | Dagmar | I've actually been stretched out on a couch, recrossed my legs, and said aloud "That's a nice morphing effect they've got there" |
| 00:58.14 | Dagmar | "Hmm... I'm going to be here awhile." |
| 00:58.44 | Dagmar | _Counting_ your feet of course is something you bring in consultants for at that point. |
| 00:59.31 | A-KO | anyone have a good strat for rotface? heh |
| 01:01.03 | A-KO | err |
| 01:01.06 | A-KO | I mean festergut heh |
| 01:02.40 | Antiarc | oh god |
| 01:02.43 | Antiarc | what is this abomination |
| 01:02.44 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418743139&sid=1 |
| 01:03.55 | kd3 | gah |
| 01:03.57 | kd3 | wtf |
| 01:04.36 | WobWork | ... |
| 01:05.02 | Dagmar | "So basically it is just doing the ratio of DPS to GearScore, but I've multiplied it by 100 to make the numbers easier to see." |
| 01:05.08 | Dagmar | Whaaa.... |
| 01:05.19 | WobWork | this is like ..the ratio of how fast my car is going over how many cows died to make the upholstery |
| 01:05.27 | WobWork | times 100 |
| 01:05.32 | WobWork | to make the numbers easier to see |
| 01:06.09 | Thunder_Child | how many cows did die? |
| 01:06.47 | foxlit | Hey, if you combine a Recount's inability to measure player performance with Gearscore's inability to measure the value of a player's gear, and multiply by 100, the inabilities cancel out. |
| 01:06.49 | WobWork | about 2.3 Bothans |
| 01:06.50 | foxlit | Don't bash it! |
| 01:06.54 | WobWork | worth |
| 01:06.57 | Jerub | it'd be interesting to plot a statistically significant number of GS/DPS ratios on reasonable fights. |
| 01:07.02 | Lopeppeppy | And I thought they smelled bad... on the outside.... |
| 01:07.14 | Dagmar | WobWork: honestly, bothans seems like a more useful unit of measurement than this |
| 01:07.47 | Dagmar | Jerub: If by "interesting" you mean "restarts the 'spec X has been nurfed 2 tha floors lol' debate" then I agree |
| 01:09.02 | foxlit | also wtf is this idiotic assumption that DPS scales linearly with gearscore. |
| 01:09.03 | DWSR | Bothans? |
| 01:09.08 | DWSR | Are we talking Star Wars here? |
| 01:09.28 | Dagmar | Yes, as in "many bothans died to bring us this information" |
| 01:09.32 | DWSR | righyt. |
| 01:09.33 | DWSR | right* |
| 01:09.42 | DWSR | Always wondered what the fuck she was talking about |
| 01:10.19 | DWSR | http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bothan <- btw. |
| 01:10.28 | Dagmar | Number of Bothans killed == value |
| 01:11.16 | DWSR | Number of Bothans killed == integer. |
| 01:11.31 | Dagmar | Bothans being killed == entertainment |
| 01:11.33 | foxlit | number of bothans killed == natural number != integer. |
| 01:11.42 | Dagmar | ~foxlit++ |
| 01:11.44 | DWSR | True. |
| 01:12.52 | alestane | "Whatever, just start killing Bothans. I'll tell you when to stop." |
| 01:13.00 | ScytheBlade1 | mmm, PA |
| 01:13.12 | Dagmar | Yay! :) |
| 01:13.56 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/08/25/ |
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| 01:15.58 | Dagmar | I remember that event. |
| 01:16.11 | Dagmar | That was pretty sweet. Spacing dissenters. :) |
| 01:18.51 | Kraps | i'm too sexy for my shirt |
| 01:20.23 | Thunder_Child | depends on your shirt i suppose |
| 01:22.13 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=3427 |
| 01:23.02 | Kraps | that shirt is sexier than me though |
| 01:28.24 | bleeter | "Oh god, that horrible screeching sound. Unbearable. The rooster is cool, though." http://is.gd/5PKyO |
| 01:30.04 | Thunder_Child | why bleeter, why? |
| 01:32.18 | bleeter | http://www.outtospace.com/projects/avatar/Avatar_Family_Tree.html |
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| 01:32.27 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: 'coz it's there? |
| 01:33.03 | Thunder_Child | bleeter: you just described the bloody net |
| 01:35.06 | Polarina | bleeter: LOL! |
| 01:38.48 | ZorbaTHut | oh man first person narration |
| 01:38.56 | ZorbaTHut | nobody has ever done that before in cinema, clearly they stole it from terminator |
| 01:39.09 | kd3 | har |
| 01:39.21 | kd3 | I love putting on a murloc costume on a big mount. it turns into a mini-mount |
| 01:40.53 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: no one's done Lady In A Singlet, or CGI before either. Also, they've not done Satire too. |
| 01:41.12 | alestane | Finally got my GUI Lua console working! |
| 01:41.22 | alestane | (This will be a debugging tool for my next project.) |
| 01:41.27 | bleeter | woot |
| 01:41.47 | bleeter | kd3: they left that feature in? oh, and happy new year mate :) |
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| 01:42.57 | Lopeppeppy | yay, alestane! |
| 01:43.07 | Lopeppeppy | stuffs a pickled herring down alestane's shorts. |
| 01:43.33 | alestane | Peppy: You have very distinctive and unique ways of demonstrating affection. |
| 01:44.08 | alestane | I'll take this over the scalding mashed potatoes or whatever it was you used last time. |
| 01:44.30 | WobWork | http://www.catchoftheday.com.au/ |
| 01:44.37 | WobWork | The Towel you can WEAR! |
| 01:44.44 | WobWork | (...wait.. what?) |
| 01:45.16 | Dagmar | At least it's not a Snuggie |
| 01:45.47 | Lopeppeppy | No snuggies! |
| 01:45.48 | WobWork | "ost have you have seen, if not caught, the most popular product over last winter, the Cuddlee. Today we bring summers essential item, the âWrap âAâ Roundâ wearable towel. " |
| 01:47.52 | Dagmar | ...because everyone knows illiterates always have great purchasing advice. |
| 01:50.36 | Dagmar | I suppose it's a minor win they're not claiming "Patent Pending" |
| 01:51.02 | Hjalte | If we buy more maybe we can get a discount? |
| 01:51.31 | Dagmar | You could also just buy a beach towel and tie two corners together |
| 01:55.47 | WobWork | or cut slits along one edge |
| 01:55.50 | WobWork | like they have |
| 01:57.09 | Kraps | haha, 2 guys left after the second toc5 boss and we got 2 more as the black knight fight started |
| 01:58.05 | Kraps | i'm like "welcome :) " |
| 01:59.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: you are in need of a snuggie. |
| 02:00.10 | Dagmar | Fastest badgers ever |
| 02:01.46 | Jerub | black knight fight is easier if you just have a healer and a tank who does reasonable dps |
| 02:01.55 | Jerub | used to just let bad dps die |
| 02:03.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: at work, there are actually two brothers. The older is something around 7'5" and somewhat.. round. In short, he looks like (a taller) Hagrid. The younger is the same, but about a foot shorter. But as a prank, the younger bought the older.... a leopard spotted snuggie. |
| 02:03.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: a 7'5" male in a full body leopard spotted snuggie is a frightening image. |
| 02:04.13 | KarlKFI|work | THEY'RRRRRE GRRRREAT! |
| 02:04.16 | WobWork | buys one for Antiarc |
| 02:04.42 | Kraps | Dagmar: it was normal toc |
| 02:04.59 | Jerub | Kraps: oh, norm toc |
| 02:05.00 | Jerub | zz |
| 02:05.09 | WobWork | badgers? BADGERS? Badgers... |
| 02:05.14 | WobWork | (mushroom mushroom) |
| 02:07.06 | Dagmar | Well, at least they probably got the quest done fast |
| 02:08.09 | Kraps | not so zz with people around 3k GS Jerub |
| 02:08.20 | Dagmar | Karl fails at animal identification |
| 02:08.34 | Jerub | Kraps: i have no idea what that means. |
| 02:08.39 | Jerub | Kraps: is ilvl200 3k GS? |
| 02:08.58 | Dagmar | Jerub: A bit less |
| 02:09.06 | KarlKFI|work | big cat, what do you want |
| 02:09.07 | Jerub | Dagmar: which one is a bit less? |
| 02:09.29 | KarlKFI|work | there's no cool standing leopard references |
| 02:09.31 | Kraps | less than ilvl200 |
| 02:09.32 | Dagmar | Jerub: Could be either. They're only even remotely useful for relative, coarse measurements |
| 02:09.38 | Dagmar | It ignores way too much |
| 02:10.24 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: Fill in the blank... "Tony the _____" |
| 02:10.45 | NeoTron | Leopard |
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| 02:10.48 | Dagmar | hint: It's not 'leopard' |
| 02:11.02 | KarlKFI|work | as i said, no cool leopard pop culture refernces |
| 02:11.02 | ScytheBlade1 | So, who wants to know of a really, really obscure registry key? |
| 02:11.17 | WobWork | http://www.thehighdefinite.com/2010/01/sanctity-of-marriage/ |
| 02:11.24 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: ... i'd rather not |
| 02:11.24 | Dagmar | Isn't that most of them with the giant hex strings in them? |
| 02:11.33 | ScytheBlade1 | HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-18\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Current Version\Explorer\Shell Folders |
| 02:11.36 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: You want to see somethin scary? |
| 02:11.45 | ScytheBlade1 | In there, there is a key, named for example "Favorites" |
| 02:11.48 | cbreak | That sounds very intuitive |
| 02:11.51 | ScytheBlade1 | If that path is invalid |
| 02:11.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Various software with no real pattern will fail to install |
| 02:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | With the incredibly useful error message of "Invalid drive X:\" |
| 02:12.30 | Dagmar | Make a directory named "GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}" |
| 02:12.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Why the SYSTEM account needs a valid Favorites folder to install software I'll never know. |
| 02:12.37 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure the GodMode part doesn't matter. |
| 02:12.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: old! But entertaining. |
| 02:12.57 | KarlKFI|work | there's not really any problem with marrying a first cousin once.... |
| 02:13.07 | Dagmar | Me personally, I have a serious problem with the idea that a directory name can cause the thing to abstract into some other data view |
| 02:13.15 | KarlKFI|work | you dont get birth defects unless you do it a few generations in a row |
| 02:13.38 | Dagmar | It will also basically murder a 64-bit machine, and I've had at least one person report that it does bad things on Macs as well |
| 02:14.10 | Dagmar | I make no claims about the accuracy of the mac user |
| 02:16.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: well, it doesn't actually change anything special... it's just an explorer hook |
| 02:16.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: use anything other than explorer, and it functions as a normal folder |
| 02:16.51 | WobWork | http://vimeo.com/8332956 is pretty well executed |
| 02:17.01 | Dagmar | I can't help but think there's probably more to it than that |
| 02:17.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah, it's just a bit of explorer-specific functionality |
| 02:17.30 | Dagmar | This is Micrsoft we're talking about |
| 02:17.52 | Dagmar | There's a good chance that thing is probably bypassing something somewhere. |
| 02:18.08 | Dagmar | Sane people would write it like a proper easter egg and the shell would look for that very string |
| 02:19.53 | NeoTron | Dagmar: Fill in the blank: "My computer runs Snow " |
| 02:19.58 | NeoTron | Hint: it's not Tiger |
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| 02:20.02 | NeoTron | :) |
| 02:20.07 | Dagmar | "Leper" |
| 02:20.07 | NightHawkTheSane | pocalypse? |
| 02:20.23 | NightHawkTheSane | maggeddon! |
| 02:22.24 | KarlKFI|work | Snowmaggeddon? |
| 02:22.27 | ZorbaTHut | neotron, ", which is a slang term for cocaine" |
| 02:22.53 | WobWork | "Crash" |
| 02:27.48 | Lopeppeppy | Snowpocalypse is the correct term. |
| 02:28.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: you see my earlier two lines? |
| 02:29.37 | Lopeppeppy | You're playing with Explorer? |
| 02:29.45 | ScytheBlade1 | No, it was concerning snuggies |
| 02:29.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Moment while I find it |
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| 02:33.45 | Lopeppeppy | Wheeee! |
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| 02:36.02 | alestane | Someone told me that stdout on a Mac OS X application goes to the console logs...anyone know how I find which one? |
| 02:37.02 | NightHawkTheSane | grep /var/log? |
| 02:38.17 | alestane | That's a directory on OS X. |
| 02:40.28 | cbreak | alestane: open /Application/Utilities/Console.app |
| 02:41.08 | alestane | I have done. There's a huge pile of different logs listed. None of them seem to refer to my application. |
| 02:41.24 | cbreak | which version are you on? |
| 02:41.39 | cbreak | open "Console Messages" if you're on 10.6 |
| 02:42.43 | alestane | Bunch of stuff there, but nothing that looks like my stdout output. |
| 02:43.20 | cbreak | it can search for strings |
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| 02:44.07 | Dagmar | Never read logs if you can help it. Always have the computer filter out everything you _don't_ want to see first |
| 02:44.44 | cbreak | alestane: what kind of application? |
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| 02:45.10 | cbreak | if you want, you can start it from a shell, then standard output gets attached to your shell. |
| 02:45.11 | alestane | Well, I'd rather have the output go somewhere else. But OS X doesn't seem to offer any way to script that. |
| 02:45.11 | alestane | Or I can replace the "print" function in my Lua environment with one that writes to a file of my choice rather than stdout, but I'd really rather not have to. |
| 02:45.29 | cbreak | sure you can |
| 02:45.39 | cbreak | you can use posix stuff |
| 02:45.47 | cbreak | to replace the FD for standard output |
| 02:45.50 | alestane | cbreak: I'm running from inside a debugger as well. |
| 02:45.50 | cbreak | I think it's 1 |
| 02:46.36 | alestane | I'm telling Xcode to build and debug my app, so I'm not the one running it. And it's not intended to be a shell app in the long run; this is really a debugging tool. |
| 02:46.37 | Dagmar | It is, you want 2 (stderr) as well prolly tho |
| 02:48.04 | cbreak | alestane: if you run it from xcode (either with run or debug) |
| 02:48.08 | cbreak | the standard output gets attached |
| 02:48.14 | cbreak | to the run dialog or the debugger |
| 02:48.24 | alestane | Looks like Xcode may give me a way to see it, which should be fine. |
| 02:48.38 | cbreak | it'll show standard output and standard error |
| 02:49.01 | alestane | Yep, that works fine. Thanks. |
| 02:49.23 | cbreak | if you want to replace standard output |
| 02:50.32 | cbreak | close(1); to close the old standard output |
| 02:51.00 | alestane | From C, ou mean, when the program is loaded? |
| 02:52.28 | cbreak | oh, yes |
| 02:52.36 | cbreak | somewhere in your C code |
| 02:52.42 | cbreak | anyway, I don't remember the xact code |
| 02:52.47 | cbreak | since I haven't done this ever |
| 02:52.54 | cbreak | (and the test was many years ago) |
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| 02:53.03 | cbreak | it's Posix syscall stuff |
| 02:53.17 | alestane | Which I have zero experience with. |
| 02:53.47 | Dagmar | Mostly you don't bother closing it unless you explicitly intend to either daemonize the code or never have any console output |
| 02:53.49 | cbreak | anyway, the idea is I think that you close(1) the file descriptor 1 |
| 02:53.55 | cbreak | and then open a new one in it's place |
| 02:53.56 | alestane | My original programming experience for the Mac was pre-OS X, so all file communication was roll-your-own. |
| 02:54.10 | cbreak | this isn't OS X style |
| 02:54.15 | cbreak | this is ancient Unix style :) |
| 02:54.27 | alestane | I get that. But it wasn't available before OS X. |
| 02:54.34 | alestane | Not on Mac, anyway. |
| 02:54.35 | cbreak | not on macs, yes. |
| 02:54.49 | Dagmar | alestane: Welcome to the technology of 1976 |
| 02:54.51 | alestane | If you wanted to write to a file, you opened it yourself. |
| 02:55.01 | cbreak | I don't remember how to make sure the new fd gets number 2 |
| 02:55.25 | Dagmar | You invoke it's name from the header that defines it |
| 02:55.39 | alestane | Dagmar: Say what? |
| 02:55.47 | cbreak | hmm. maybe with dup2 |
| 02:57.01 | Dagmar | Acutally I take that back |
| 02:57.03 | Dagmar | You don't cose it |
| 02:57.05 | Dagmar | er close it |
| 02:57.21 | cbreak | if you close the old one, the new should get the lowest free number, the old one you just closed |
| 02:57.24 | cbreak | I think? |
| 02:57.43 | cbreak | I only heard about that in "Unix System V IPC" class |
| 02:59.14 | alestane | Basically, my program is embedding Lua, and I want to capture anything that gets "print"ed to a file of my choice. print sends to stdout unless I change it somehow., So, trying to control my program's choice of stdout. |
| 02:59.45 | cbreak | I had the same problem in the app I use Lua |
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| 03:00.00 | cbreak | I just ignore print and wrote my own method |
| 03:00.00 | alestane | http://c-faq.com/stdio/index.html Ahha! Question 12.33! |
| 03:00.31 | alestane | http://c-faq.com/stdio/freopen.html |
| 03:00.33 | cbreak | it was more complicated in my program |
| 03:00.58 | cbreak | since I wanted to get the log statements in a handler where I could write it to an in-application console, and a log file |
| 03:01.55 | alestane | I'm not as worried about that. I'm trying to keep things fairly simple. |
| 03:02.22 | Dagmar | 12.34 is equally fun. |
| 03:02.56 | alestane | In my case, I don't anticipate ever needing to restore the stream. |
| 03:03.04 | cbreak | does lua itself even define print? |
| 03:03.13 | alestane | This function shouldn't be critical in the release version. |
| 03:03.17 | alestane | cbreak: It does. |
| 03:03.33 | cbreak | interesting. thought it was some speciality in the lua shell |
| 03:03.33 | Dagmar | Yeah now i see why the long-haired admin who taught me about filehandles just gave me this "look" when I asked about how to reopen std pipes |
| 03:03.52 | cbreak | Dagmar: just dup2 it :D |
| 03:03.57 | Dagmar | No, don't. |
| 03:04.13 | Iriel | It really all depends whether you're using stdio at all. |
| 03:04.14 | Dagmar | Anything that was previously listening to the output from that may have stopped listening. |
| 03:04.32 | cbreak | that's why you don't close it |
| 03:04.34 | Lopeppeppy | Night night, normal people! |
| 03:04.35 | Iriel | But yeah, re-opening something that was closed is generally ill-advised |
| 03:04.40 | Dagmar | I always knew there was some underlying reason why certain pipe-breaking things worked to get into sites |
| 03:04.46 | alestane | Now what I have to figure out is how to have some code called whenever the contents of a text entry field change. I thought I had but my code isn't getting called. |
| 03:04.50 | Dagmar | s/knew/suspected/; |
| 03:04.50 | cbreak | you move it away with dup2 or something |
| 03:05.21 | cbreak | GUI stuff... how I hate it |
| 03:05.41 | cbreak | in Qt you connect your slots (handler methods) to the signals of the GUI element |
| 03:05.53 | Dagmar | ...and then you cut yourself for using Qt |
| 03:06.02 | cbreak | I think in XCode's UI tool, what ever it was called, you connect stuff similarly |
| 03:06.22 | alestane | Interface Builder. Except that I'm not using Objective-C. |
| 03:06.30 | cbreak | oh joy |
| 03:06.39 | alestane | So I can't easily define callbacks from IB. |
| 03:06.39 | cbreak | using carbon? |
| 03:06.54 | cbreak | any special reason you're not using it? |
| 03:06.55 | alestane | For the time being, because I understand it. Eventually I'll try and move to Cocoa. |
| 03:07.11 | cbreak | I stayed away from carbon |
| 03:07.20 | cbreak | never touched it, so I guessed it'd be a waste of time |
| 03:07.26 | cbreak | it was kept alive longer than I thought |
| 03:07.38 | cbreak | but I think with the 64 bit transition, it's dead. |
| 03:07.41 | alestane | But I don't want to put the project off while I learn Cocoa...Carbon is closer to the Pascal/C-based programming I did back on System 6. |
| 03:07.49 | cbreak | Adobe's probably angry about it I guess. |
| 03:07.57 | alestane | So, sticking with it until I have a framework to convert. |
| 03:08.01 | cbreak | it's closer... because it's the same API :) |
| 03:08.17 | cbreak | ported over the OS X transmission |
| 03:08.24 | alestane | Sort of. It adds things like event-driven callbacks. |
| 03:08.27 | cbreak | ported over the i386 transition |
| 03:08.37 | cbreak | but not ported into 64 bit land |
| 03:09.01 | alestane | Not a lot of it, no, and when I'm ready to start writing 64-bit code I'll have to learn Cocoa. |
| 03:09.23 | cbreak | or you do it in CLI :) |
| 03:09.46 | cbreak | external helper tool |
| 03:10.04 | cbreak | probably only worth it if you do something that needs a lot of memory or is very time critical though |
| 03:10.29 | cbreak | (That was 10.4's way of 64 bit code use) |
| 03:10.32 | cbreak | ah well, not important |
| 03:10.39 | alestane | Well, it's eventually supposed to be a game engine, so I figure 64-bit compatibility is probably wise. |
| 03:12.24 | cbreak | WoW is not 64 bit :( |
| 03:12.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably won't be 64-bit any time soon |
| 03:12.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Even though it could benefit from it now |
| 03:12.57 | cbreak | yes! More than 4gb memory |
| 03:12.59 | cbreak | yay |
| 03:13.02 | cbreak | ... :) |
| 03:13.06 | ScytheBlade1 | No, really |
| 03:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Texture data on high-res/detail computers |
| 03:13.27 | cbreak | what it would profit from would be propper threading |
| 03:13.31 | cbreak | it barely uses 1.5 of my CPUs |
| 03:14.21 | alestane | It's supposedly very hard to thread game engines efficiently. |
| 03:14.46 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
| 03:15.49 | Iriel | I would imagine the added complexity of proper thread management and shared data access outweighs the benefits a lot of time (i.e. often you're bottlenecked on ONE process, so everything else can share a single other thread without noticing) |
| 03:16.22 | cbreak | I don't think it would be that hard |
| 03:16.35 | cbreak | physics stuff is easily parallelized since there's no interaction in WoW |
| 03:16.42 | cbreak | no gravity or similar effects |
| 03:16.59 | ScytheBlade1 | WoW has no physics ;) |
| 03:17.10 | cbreak | It has. |
| 03:17.11 | Shadowed | I jump off a clip, I die |
| 03:17.12 | Iriel | Yeah, but if you're not WAITING for that part, why parallelize it? |
| 03:17.13 | Shadowed | that's physics! |
| 03:17.17 | Shadowed | clip = cliff |
| 03:17.26 | cbreak | I die when I jump off the air ship after Halls of Reflections even if I use slow fall |
| 03:17.27 | Iriel | its' only worth doing if you benefit from it in some tangible way |
| 03:17.40 | ZorbaTHut | it depends more on what it's spending its CPU waiting for |
| 03:17.45 | Jerub | sighs |
| 03:17.55 | Jerub | my usual avenues to scam free crap out of google arne't working. |
| 03:17.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Shadowed: no, that's more simple math than physics |
| 03:18.01 | ZorbaTHut | WoW is fundamentally a very simple system - it may be spending all that "CPU" just waiting to send more shit to the GPU |
| 03:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | (quiet @ details) |
| 03:18.14 | Iriel | Jerub: angling for a nexus 1? |
| 03:18.24 | Jerub | Iriel: certainly. |
| 03:18.30 | Jerub | Also, can't purchase them in australia. |
| 03:18.32 | Iriel | Jerub: I bit the bullet and just ordered one |
| 03:18.39 | Shadowed | ScytheBlade1 shhh |
| 03:18.42 | Dagmar | WoW has about as much physics as Cheney has scruples |
| 03:19.05 | ZorbaTHut | also I'm betting now that Blizzard will release the 64-bit client sometime between 4.1 and 4.3 inclusive. |
| 03:19.17 | Iriel | Jerub: and "Nexus One Order#............" "Your order has shipped." |
| 03:19.20 | Jerub | what bout a iphone AH client? :P |
| 03:19.34 | Jerub | Iriel: want to grab a second one and ship it to me? |
| 03:19.52 | Iriel | Jerub: not really - they're not cheap |
| 03:19.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ZorbaTHut: okay, that makes no sense. If anything it'll be 4.0 or 5.0, which fits with their traditional client updates in terms of scope/scale |
| 03:20.49 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, there's no way they're releasing that major of a client change *along* with that major of a game content and gameplay change unless the two are actually coupled in some way. I mean, they might, but it'd be rather dumb. |
| 03:20.55 | Dagmar | They'll probably bother when either a) the majority of users can't run 32-bit apps, or b) there's a significant performance benefit from doing so |
| 03:21.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It fits in with everything else they've done so far |
| 03:21.04 | ZorbaTHut | if they're smart, they'll add it incrementally in as something in testing |
| 03:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | They've /never/ added such a large feature in a .x patch |
| 03:21.25 | cbreak | depending on how you think about it |
| 03:21.29 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, the real performance issue they're in danger of running into is raw memory usage. WoW regularly hits 1gb now, and it'll only go higher as it goes on |
| 03:21.30 | Iriel | Didn't the streaming client show up as a .x? |
| 03:21.30 | Dagmar | I don't really see b. happening |
| 03:21.30 | Jerub | i don't see a good reason to go to 64bit for the wow client. |
| 03:21.33 | cbreak | 64 bit conversion is not much of a change |
| 03:21.36 | cbreak | or a huge change |
| 03:21.36 | Jerub | nothing compelling at all. |
| 03:21.40 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, but that's sort of my point, it's not a major change at all |
| 03:21.48 | ZorbaTHut | it's a few build option switches and a little debugging |
| 03:21.55 | Jerub | i hate the advocacy of 'we have twice as many bits in the cpu, why aren't we using them?' |
| 03:21.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Jerub: memory usage on high res/detail machines... I routinely hit it, and then my HD goes nuts loading textures |
| 03:22.06 | ZorbaTHut | it's not like a 64-bit client is going to matter for *anyone* besides the developers. |
| 03:22.22 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: okay, that's nuts. |
| 03:22.42 | ZorbaTHut | also, wow voice chat was 2.2, and 64-bit is far less major for the enduser than voice chat was :P |
| 03:22.55 | ZorbaTHut | to say nothing of LFD |
| 03:23.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Hop in dalaran on a high pop server, 1920x1200 and max details |
| 03:23.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Bam, RAM usage through the roof |
| 03:23.18 | cbreak | 64 bit code on x86_64 is potentially faster |
| 03:23.19 | Dagmar | I login and out there all the time |
| 03:23.21 | cbreak | than 32 bit code |
| 03:23.33 | Jerub | does anyone even use voice chat? |
| 03:23.33 | Corrodias | what's the roof? |
| 03:23.37 | Dagmar | Qualify how _much_ faster tho |
| 03:23.38 | Jerub | i know the feature is there, but i've never used it. |
| 03:23.41 | cbreak | since the ancient architecture didn't allow the use of all registers of the CPU in 32 bit code |
| 03:23.41 | ScytheBlade1 | The 32-bit memory cap |
| 03:23.41 | ZorbaTHut | and yes, the only real serious reason they'd have for wow64 is to increase memory limits. however, that there is, IMHO, sufficient |
| 03:23.46 | Dagmar | Jerub: I've used it a few times |
| 03:23.48 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, lower than that, actually |
| 03:23.51 | ZorbaTHut | 2gb on most systems |
| 03:23.55 | cbreak | it lowers register churn |
| 03:23.58 | Jerub | Dagmar: does it work? |
| 03:23.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ah yes |
| 03:24.00 | ScytheBlade1 | that indeed |
| 03:24.05 | cbreak | I have no idea how big of an effect it is |
| 03:24.05 | Jerub | Dagmar: i mean, compared to a crappy vent server, is it any good? |
| 03:24.13 | Dagmar | Jerub: it works okay |
| 03:24.42 | Dagmar | The main arguments I've heard against it that werne't jackassery were that it's audio quality is meh |
| 03:25.10 | Dagmar | People trying to play on dialup modems will merrily complain that it lags them |
| 03:25.15 | Hjalte | "In the Rotface encounter, big oozes should now properly combine. " Thank god |
| 03:25.17 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, I've heard it's a 5-10% performance boost. so, it's some, but not huge. |
| 03:25.42 | ZorbaTHut | and then you lose some because pointers are bigger. |
| 03:27.43 | Dagmar | But umm... |
| 03:28.07 | Dagmar | Wouldn't most of the players say that having a bigger pointer is better? |
| 03:28.20 | Corrodias | how do larger pointers make things slower on a cpu that has larger registers? memory transfer? |
| 03:28.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Generally |
| 03:28.57 | cbreak | memory transfer, yes. |
| 03:29.14 | cbreak | but it doesn't double the transfer time, because the bus is wide enough. |
| 03:29.21 | cbreak | and read-ahead/caching and so on are there |
| 03:29.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk7/features/#f603 |
| 03:29.28 | cbreak | it makes it a bit slower |
| 03:29.33 | ScytheBlade1 | (related) |
| 03:29.42 | DWSR | related links? We can't have that. |
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| 03:42.47 | Jerub | also, :D - guild did second full clear of Toc10 :) |
| 03:42.53 | Jerub | it's like we're a real guild and stuff now! |
| 03:43.03 | Corrodias | grats |
| 03:43.55 | Jerub | s/now/again/ |
| 03:46.23 | Corrodias | it looks like my old guild is still alive |
| 03:48.56 | WobWork | <3 Neil Gaiman : http://www.flickr.com/photos/fairytalevegas/4236248876/ |
| 03:51.53 | WobWork | also |
| 03:51.54 | WobWork | http://www.news.com.au/world/kfc-australia-pulls-racist-ad-after-us-anger/story-e6frfkyi-1225816969895 |
| 03:52.31 | WobWork | wtf? Don't people have -enough- problems than to project african american prejudice on anyone even considered 'black'? |
| 03:54.18 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahahahahaha |
| 03:54.20 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22419023358&sid=1 |
| 03:54.53 | WobWork | FFS people, they're the WEST INDIES cricket fans |
| 03:56.05 | Hjalte | WobWork: "I've had friends who visited Australia and they told me how it is over there" |
| 03:56.11 | Hjalte | :) |
| 03:57.17 | Iriel | Any oracle 10 DBA gods here? |
| 03:57.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: flee while your life remains! |
| 03:57.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Do not summon the demons! |
| 03:57.42 | Dagmar | i could believe there would be merit to the complaint if black people didn't actually like fried chicken so much |
| 03:58.06 | Dagmar | Getting upset about that requires one forget that white people like fried chicken, too. |
| 03:58.18 | ZorbaTHut | that's 'cause fried chicken is awesome. |
| 03:58.34 | Dagmar | Asian people eat parts of the chicken that frankly terrify me |
| 03:59.16 | ZorbaTHut | get your candied chicken beakloaf here |
| 03:59.23 | WobWork | omnomnom |
| 03:59.37 | Dagmar | Dim sum bars aren't a good place to have the munchies |
| 03:59.47 | WobWork | what? they're awesome for munchies |
| 03:59.52 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: I take it that's a "no" |
| 03:59.52 | WobWork | as long as you don't question the food |
| 04:00.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: yeah, no, sorry. |
| 04:00.04 | Dagmar | Yeah see, I prefer my chicken without talons |
| 04:00.31 | Dagmar | Plus the munchies can get _really_ expensive |
| 04:00.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I can calculate the average number of disk accesses per MySQL query relative to indexes, but never touched oracle |
| 04:02.02 | Iriel | I'm trying to win in my latest tangling with the cost based optimizer (I know things it doesn't about my data, and it's being stupid) - I was just trying to avoid having to read a ton of very detailed documentation (or more likely, having to spend hours trying to get one of our DBA's to answer my actual question) |
| 04:02.19 | Dagmar | I can't help but think that South Park will be having a field day with the news from this week |
| 04:02.32 | Dagmar | CNN keeps showing a picture of that bombers underwear |
| 04:03.06 | ScytheBlade1 | well, if there is one thing that oracle should have kicking around, it would be documentation |
| 04:03.48 | Iriel | yeah, I dont think starbucks has enough coffee to go with it though |
| 04:04.06 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: seems some rather small cameras can take care of your panorama issues " The W370 takes 243 degree shots and the W350 takes 268-degree shots, with the images coming in 7152 x 1080 size." |
| 04:04.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably not |
| 04:04.32 | Shirik | my panorama issues? |
| 04:05.06 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: you say you keep having issues with your panorama shots |
| 04:05.28 | Shirik | I do? o.o |
| 04:05.41 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 04:05.55 | Shirik | I have HDR issues |
| 04:06.11 | Shirik | Not so much panorama I think :/ |
| 04:10.48 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=2500+seconds+per+5+minutes |
| 04:10.53 | Adys | love google. |
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| 04:12.20 | Iriel | daniel@quad:~$ units |
| 04:12.21 | Iriel | 500 units, 54 prefixes |
| 04:12.21 | Iriel | You have: 25 s |
| 04:12.21 | Iriel | You want: 5 minutes |
| 04:12.21 | Iriel | * 0.083333333 |
| 04:12.22 | Iriel | / 12 |
| 04:12.23 | Iriel | You have: |
| 04:12.27 | Iriel | Who needs google? |
| 04:12.29 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 04:12.31 | Thunder_Child | alpha can do that as well Adys |
| 04:12.39 | Adys | alpha is slow |
| 04:12.48 | Adys | google is ctrlk and you got the answe |
| 04:12.52 | Adys | r |
| 04:13.04 | Adys | i was totally not expecting the query to work |
| 04:13.13 | Adys | but it dsoes, just cuz'. |
| 04:13.40 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=15+meters+in+parsecs&aq=f&oq=&aqi= |
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| 04:22.06 | ZorbaTHut | I used to work on the Google Calculator :P still a bit annoyed that I never managed to get kilobyte fixed. ah well. |
| 04:22.42 | kd3 | fixed? |
| 04:23.06 | Jerub | kd3: you can't do intelligent things like 100kb/sec * 3 hours |
| 04:23.30 | Jerub | wait, that one works. |
| 04:23.41 | ZorbaTHut | it thinks a kilobyte is 1024 bytes. |
| 04:23.41 | kd3 | was about to say... 130 megabytes sounds about right to me |
| 04:23.48 | Jerub | oh right |
| 04:26.21 | Dagmar | Base ten metric is dumb when you're dealing with base two numbers |
| 04:27.11 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: it's ... not? |
| 04:28.02 | Dagmar | At some point when the marketing people at the hard drive manufacturers started trying to get fancy, someone should have stood up and said "a megabyte is 100000000(omglots)000 base-2 bytes" |
| 04:28.38 | WobWork | oh we've replaced it with kibibyte |
| 04:28.51 | kd3 | blah |
| 04:28.52 | WobWork | which just sounds like Sanrio defined it >< |
| 04:29.53 | Dagmar | heheheheh |
| 04:30.00 | Dagmar | That's the best way I've ever heard that put |
| 04:30.46 | Dagmar | It's about as useful as measuring flour in "pies" |
| 04:32.51 | WobWork | well, it's precise, I guess =P |
| 04:32.59 | WobWork | "You need one pies worth of flour to make this pie!" |
| 04:33.14 | Dagmar | ...and if you are not making pies? |
| 04:33.21 | Shadowed | Why would you not be making a pie |
| 04:33.25 | WobWork | why... would you -not- be making pies? |
| 04:33.30 | Shadowed | too slow! |
| 04:33.34 | WobWork | so true =( |
| 04:33.44 | WobWork | I was busy contemplating someone who wasn't making pies |
| 04:33.56 | Dagmar | Because you're out of punch so you'll have to cut straight to enticing people with delicious cake. |
| 04:34.03 | WobWork | that's a lie |
| 04:36.39 | kd3 | tea and cake or death! |
| 04:37.26 | WobWork | bah, I want a chrome extension that can post local pages to the html validator |
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| 04:45.23 | durcyn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjHV63MQ4w |
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| 05:00.24 | Kraps | oculus inc! |
| 05:00.34 | Jerub | Kraps: yay free epic gems. |
| 05:00.42 | Jerub | wait, is it blues or purples in the sack? |
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| 05:05.20 | ckknight | there's no event that fires when another player in your group changes specs, is there? |
| 05:09.04 | DWSR | no. |
| 05:09.19 | DWSR | You can look for a spell cast from a party member called Activate Second Spec. |
| 05:09.23 | DWSR | or whatever. |
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| 05:38.06 | Kraps | haha we did it |
| 05:38.20 | Kraps | only 2 lived though |
| 05:43.07 | Jerub | Kraps: :D |
| 05:43.10 | Kraps | blue gems are fine, i'm too poor to afford epics |
| 05:46.23 | Kraps | will dalaran be flyable in cata? |
| 05:46.35 | NightHawkTheSane | no more than it is now. why would it? |
| 05:47.00 | Kraps | idk just curious |
| 05:47.14 | Kraps | all the capitals will be |
| 05:47.22 | NightHawkTheSane | a modicum of common sense would say there's no reason for it to be |
| 05:47.40 | NightHawkTheSane | "all the capitals" are in the old world, where flying is technically impossible currently |
| 05:47.50 | NightHawkTheSane | there is no technical limitation preventing flight in dalaran. |
| 05:49.30 | WobWork | only a social one =P |
| 05:49.45 | NightHawkTheSane | which wouldn't change in cataclysm. |
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| 06:09.54 | jnwhiteh | is hungry |
| 06:09.58 | jnwhiteh | should i eat ramen for breakfast? |
| 06:10.04 | jnwhiteh | its that, or I have to get up and go to the store |
| 06:10.07 | jnwhiteh | although ive been up for 3 hours |
| 06:10.08 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
| 06:12.08 | WobWork | Do you have eggs? |
| 06:12.10 | Jerub | i'm a fan of cous cous + tuna |
| 06:12.18 | Jerub | just add hot water |
| 06:12.36 | WobWork | Jerub: sounds like you end up with fishy mud =P |
| 06:13.10 | jnwhiteh | I have none of this =/ |
| 06:13.14 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 06:13.15 | jnwhiteh | i have cous cous |
| 06:13.47 | WobWork | Do you have to go to work? |
| 06:13.53 | jnwhiteh | ive been away for 2.5 weeks |
| 06:13.54 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 06:13.58 | jnwhiteh | and i'll be going to bed soon |
| 06:14.02 | jnwhiteh | if i can fall asleep =/ |
| 06:14.10 | WobWork | I say go out to a cafe for breakfast |
| 06:14.13 | WobWork | then come back and sleep |
| 06:14.25 | WobWork | or just go straight to bed |
| 06:14.37 | jnwhiteh | I can't. |
| 06:14.41 | jnwhiteh | nothign opens for anoter hour |
| 06:14.45 | jnwhiteh | and i'm getting really hungry |
| 06:14.49 | jnwhiteh | and its FUCKING cold outside today |
| 06:15.48 | WobWork | the more you starve yourself, the less jetlag you'll get.... |
| 06:16.00 | WobWork | but ramen is good enough, I'd say if you're starving =) |
| 06:19.48 | jnwhiteh | i haven't eaten since.. 6pm GMT |
| 06:19.50 | jnwhiteh | so 12 hours ago |
| 06:19.56 | jnwhiteh | i could wait another 45 minutes |
| 06:19.59 | jnwhiteh | but then i'd have to go outside =/ |
| 06:20.59 | WobWork | pizza order =) |
| 06:28.52 | Shirik | In the news: Autism is caused by parents' college education: http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_14126944?source=most_viewed |
| 06:29.14 | Shirik | (not exactly accurate, but more fun to say that way) |
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| 06:49.05 | Jerub | Shirik: i've always known of aspergers being known as engineers disease. |
| 06:51.27 | Thrae | Bleh! March 2010 for the Nvidia "Fermi" at best. I was hoping they were going for EARLY Q1. |
| 06:52.06 | Jerub | i need a video card for my new pc |
| 06:52.18 | Thrae | Jerub: What do you have now? |
| 06:52.30 | Jerub | Thrae: an empty slot |
| 06:52.37 | Jerub | well, it's got something onboard that i don't care about |
| 06:53.20 | Thrae | Jerub: Ah, well I would pick up an Nvidia 9800GTX+ if you don't have money to burn waiting for "Fermi" and an expensive ATI card if you do. |
| 06:53.38 | Jerub | hm, maybe i should rephrase that. |
| 06:53.45 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/t/1843/arcane-flows/ |
| 06:53.50 | Adys | Talent tooltips fully working |
| 06:53.57 | Jerub | I really meant: I need a free video card to go into the pc i'm building out of scavenged bits. |
| 06:53.59 | Adys | including ranks: http://db.mmo-champion.com/t/1843:0/arcane-flows/ http://db.mmo-champion.com/t/1843:1/arcane-flows/ |
| 06:54.19 | Thrae | Jerub: Scavanged computer? What its intent? |
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| 06:54.33 | Jerub | new wow pc |
| 06:54.33 | Thrae | s#its#is its# |
| 06:54.53 | Thrae | Jerub: OK, good luck on that. |
| 06:55.09 | Jerub | current wow pc is a powermac g5. it's too power hungry. |
| 06:55.13 | Jerub | *and* runs mac osx. |
| 06:55.56 | Thrae | That's why I always kept to PCs -- I like to tinker inside. |
| 06:56.48 | Thrae | But I'm hoping to replace my current Nvidia GTX 260 Core 216 with a higher-end "Fermi", unless they end up sucking. |
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| 07:34.37 | Shirik | ok, I just had the best dessert ever |
| 07:34.49 | Shirik | dark chocolate filled with thick caramel topped with sea salt |
| 07:34.53 | Shirik | brilliant |
| 07:35.23 | Adys | im gonna agree caramel + salt = foodsex |
| 07:35.26 | Adys | but |
| 07:35.29 | Adys | chocolate + salt? |
| 07:37.04 | Jerub | dark chocolate + chilli + chicken = win |
| 07:37.26 | Dagmar | looks paler than usual |
| 07:37.35 | Adys | looks paler than Dagmar |
| 07:38.20 | Dagmar | Something about the very idea of dark chocolate and chili makes my tongue want to run and hide |
| 07:40.06 | Shirik | Adys: Sea salt |
| 07:40.12 | Shirik | really, it's quite awesome |
| 07:40.17 | Shirik | I was confused at first too |
| 07:40.20 | Shirik | but omg |
| 07:40.39 | Jerub | Dagmar: really? |
| 07:40.40 | Jerub | man. |
| 07:40.58 | Adys | Jerub: is this an elaborate joke? |
| 07:41.18 | Dagmar | Rest assured, we will not be fooled into secretly mixing those foods and trying them |
| 07:41.36 | Shirik | http://www.igourmet.com/shoppe/prodview.aspx?prod=7221 |
| 07:41.46 | Shirik | Interestingly enough, Dagmar's combination is also in there (well, chili powder) |
| 07:42.19 | Dagmar | Don't you blame that on me |
| 07:42.20 | Adys | fuck Im hungry now :/ |
| 07:42.21 | Adys | jerks |
| 07:42.45 | Adys | Tropical Heat: Callebaut dark chocolate, fresh roasted macadamia nuts, dried mango, dried papaya, dried pineapple, toasted coconut, Ancho chile powder, cayenne pepper |
| 07:42.48 | Adys | thats fucking sick |
| 07:42.56 | Adys | in every possible way |
| 07:43.14 | Dagmar | That just chili powder. No beans. |
| 07:44.00 | Thrae | I'm controlling my computer with my Wiimote. Excellent. And I don't even have a Wii. |
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| 07:50.23 | myrkraverk | can a slash command handler know which key was used to run it? (that is, which actualy /cmd was used) |
| 07:50.58 | Adys | if its not passed inside the first arg, I guess not |
| 07:51.05 | Adys | but easy enough to set up another slash handler |
| 07:52.01 | myrkraverk | yes |
| 07:52.34 | Shirik | Thrae: old |
| 07:53.17 | Shirik | I did that years ago, literally, but with a camera and a pen retrofitted with an LED |
| 07:53.38 | Shirik | though, admittedly, the idea came from the wiimote |
| 07:56.23 | Shirik | Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbLW335H5Dk |
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| 08:10.07 | Arrowmaster | grace and glory in bayonetta are fucking bastard mobs |
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| 08:21.57 | myrkraverk | can I overload (redefine) a function in the blizzard ui? |
| 08:24.07 | Arrowmaster | you could, but you probably shouldnt |
| 08:25.23 | myrkraverk | Yeah, I was just thinking of adding the language to the edit box, as in Say [Thalassian]: <whatever I type here> |
| 08:25.44 | myrkraverk | and to do that, it looks like I have to redefine ChatEdit_UpdateHeader |
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| 08:27.27 | myrkraverk | is it enough to simply put the new funciton in my addon's lua file, or do I need to add xml magic too? |
| 08:28.35 | Arrowmaster | just put it in the lua file |
| 08:28.53 | myrkraverk | thanks |
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| 08:41.19 | Shirik | Who here thinks that they're awesome with regular expressions? (Not Lua patterns, true PCRE) |
| 08:42.23 | Bruners | good morning Fisker |
| 08:42.23 | zenzio | does it matter what they think? Explain your problem anyway |
| 08:42.35 | Shirik | I need a pattern to be optimized |
| 08:42.40 | Shirik | prepare to be blinded: |
| 08:42.42 | Shirik | (?:(?: )*\|(?: )*ima?ge?(?: )*=(?: )*[^\r\n\|\}]*(?:[\|\r\n]|}}(?: )*(?:$|[\r\n]))|(?:[\r\n]*|^)\[\[(?:File|Image):[^\]]*\]\](?: )*(?:[\r\n]|$)) |
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| 08:43.24 | zenzio | what are you trying to parse? |
| 08:43.25 | Shirik | Basically what it's looking for is that a line consists of [[File:Foo.xxx]] or [[Image:Foo.xx]] |
| 08:43.27 | Shirik | OR |
| 08:43.42 | Shirik | |img=Foo.xxx or |image=Foo.xxx |
| 08:43.54 | Shirik | In the latter set, it can either be the end of the line or a }} |
| 08:43.56 | Shirik | or a | |
| 08:44.12 | Shirik | so |img=Foo.xxx\n, |img=Foo.xxx}}, or |img=Foo.xxx| |
| 08:44.24 | Shirik | actually I don't think the third case is true |
| 08:44.27 | Shirik | only the first 2 |
| 08:44.30 | zenzio | this for some sort of wiki? |
| 08:44.45 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:45.14 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 08:47.57 | zenzio | wow.com comments - where the Alliance is like the US, and horde is like 3rd world countries |
| 08:48.01 | Fisker | i hate you Shirik :( |
| 08:50.37 | Adys | Shirik: and what do you need me to do? |
| 08:51.01 | Shirik | make it not so... messy |
| 08:51.19 | Adys | txt.split("|") |
| 08:51.22 | Adys | process arg by arg |
| 08:51.26 | Shirik | negative |
| 08:51.37 | Shirik | I do not have that kind of functionality |
| 08:51.48 | Adys | what language are you using? assembly? |
| 08:52.05 | Shirik | it's not really a language |
| 08:52.49 | Adys | this shouldnt be done with regular expressions |
| 08:52.59 | zenzio | that's how I feel about wiki-... er... markup? |
| 08:53.15 | Adys | either you have strict rules, like not allowing whitespace |
| 08:53.23 | Adys | and then you can use REs |
| 08:54.04 | Adys | or you allow whitespace and various other nicenesses, but you use real string methods |
| 08:54.39 | Adys | or a token parser |
| 08:54.46 | Shirik | I don't really have an option. It's the tools I'm given |
| 08:54.54 | Shirik | I mean I have a few other functions, but nothing that complex |
| 08:54.58 | Adys | what else do you have |
| 08:55.02 | Shirik | Primarily because it needs to happen really, really fast |
| 08:55.10 | Shirik | well, think of it this way: It's entirely one expression |
| 08:55.15 | Shirik | there is no "do this then this then this" |
| 08:55.33 | Adys | well that re looks like it could work |
| 08:55.42 | Adys | whats wrong with it? |
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| 08:57.13 | Shirik | what's wrong? |
| 08:57.33 | Adys | whats to be optimized? |
| 08:57.34 | Shirik | On average, its run time is 2.4ms, and it consumes 106 conditions of the condition limit. |
| 08:57.35 | Adys | is it slow? |
| 08:58.06 | Adys | do you have to allow so much margin? |
| 08:58.12 | Adys | like whitespace, img/image |
| 08:58.13 | Shirik | it's slower than I want it to be |
| 08:58.17 | Shirik | it should be something fairly simple |
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| 08:58.58 | Adys | you have nested parentheses |
| 08:59.14 | Adys | if you get rid of those I'm guessing its whats causing you the most trouble |
| 08:59.52 | Adys | you should also replace whitespace checks with \w or something similar if you have it |
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| 09:00.10 | Adys | and ^\r\n by \W |
| 09:00.18 | Shirik | I do but doesn't \r\n count as whitespace? |
| 09:00.30 | Shirik | ^\r\n != \W |
| 09:00.30 | Adys | depends on the language |
| 09:00.39 | Shirik | I think it's php |
| 09:00.46 | Adys | kill me already |
| 09:01.09 | Adys | but uh |
| 09:01.13 | Adys | that looks like python |
| 09:01.20 | Shirik | maybe I should break this into 2 regexes |
| 09:01.23 | Adys | I dont know many regex implementations with (?: |
| 09:02.59 | Adys | you have a very nasty nested parenthese at the start |
| 09:02.59 | Adys | sec |
| 09:03.02 | Shirik | PHP does |
| 09:03.36 | Shirik | ok what about this. Break it into 2 regexes. One that detects [[File:Foo.xxx]] and [[Image:Foo.xxx]] and one that detects |img=Foo.xxx and |image=Foo.xxx |
| 09:04.53 | Shirik | Don't all have (?: ? |
| 09:04.56 | Shirik | I've seen that a lot |
| 09:05.01 | Shirik | it's just a non-captured group.. |
| 09:05.12 | krka | Shirik: why does it need to be fast? just cache the answer |
| 09:05.20 | Shirik | The answer cannot be cached |
| 09:05.22 | krka | it seems like the input would only change form manual input |
| 09:05.25 | krka | *from |
| 09:05.26 | Shirik | it does |
| 09:05.36 | Shirik | at a rate of about 160 tests per minute |
| 09:06.04 | Arrowmaster | (?: is standard regex..... |
| 09:06.09 | Arrowmaster | both posix and pcre |
| 09:06.18 | krka | is that a pinocchio smiley? |
| 09:06.29 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/141977/ |
| 09:06.44 | Adys | er |
| 09:06.45 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/141977/plain/ |
| 09:06.56 | Adys | imo, remove all those (?: )* |
| 09:07.25 | Adys | wait. |
| 09:07.30 | Adys | why the hell do you have (?: )* ? |
| 09:07.37 | Adys | make it \w* |
| 09:07.56 | Adys | or even * |
| 09:08.26 | Adys | and why's it all nested in another paren |
| 09:08.29 | Shirik | because \w matches \r\n |
| 09:08.31 | Fisker | "Today, we are do all activities of the World of Warcraft accounts a routine check." |
| 09:08.34 | Fisker | This looks legit |
| 09:08.47 | Adys | Shirik: well then " *" |
| 09:08.49 | Fisker | i probably supply them with my username and password |
| 09:08.51 | Shirik | Ok I've turned the first part into (?:[\r\n]|^) *\[\[(?:[Ff]ile:|[Ii]mage:)[^\]]*\]\] *(?:[\r\n]|$) |
| 09:08.59 | Adys | ugh |
| 09:09.04 | Adys | cant you make it case insensitive? |
| 09:09.32 | Adys | hey Fisker |
| 09:09.41 | Adys | [Ff]u{5,15} |
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| 09:10.50 | Fisker | oh u |
| 09:11.35 | Fisker | WTF |
| 09:11.41 | Fisker | http://store.steampowered.com/app/901202/ |
| 09:11.44 | Shirik | no, no case insensitive without doing something I don't want to do |
| 09:11.49 | Fisker | Looks like GPG told Stardock to stick i |
| 09:11.49 | Fisker | it |
| 09:13.20 | Adys | Shirik: i cant help more than that, sorry |
| 09:13.33 | Adys | you need to get rid of nesting and use as many regexes as you can |
| 09:14.09 | Adys | fyi the language may have an internal regex cache |
| 09:14.11 | Adys | python does |
| 09:14.38 | Adys | which means, more regexes = less overhead |
| 09:14.44 | Adys | which makes no sense. |
| 09:15.46 | Fisker | stations guards outside jnwhiteh's house |
| 09:21.18 | Shirik | ok I think I got it |
| 09:21.31 | Shirik | ((removed_lines rlike "(?:[\r\n]|^) *\[\[(?:[Ff]ile:|[Ii]mage:)[^\]]*\]\] *(?:[\r\n]|$)") | |
| 09:21.31 | Shirik | (removed_lines rlike "(?:[\r\n]|^) *\|ima?ge? *= *[^\|}\r\n]+[ }]*(?:[\r\n]|$)")) |
| 09:21.33 | Shirik | you think that's better? |
| 09:21.45 | Shirik | lol wtf is [}] |
| 09:21.49 | Shirik | how did I get that in there |
| 09:22.04 | Shirik | oh, because there's a space in there too |
| 09:24.34 | Shirik | yeah that's definitely worse... |
| 09:26.40 | Shirik | the first regex is really good. "(?:[\r\n]|^) *\|ima?ge? *= *[^\|}\r\n]+[ }]*(?:[\r\n]|$)" is too complex |
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| 09:27.55 | krka | the question is if you want to allow illegal stuff such as |imag and |imge |
| 09:28.04 | Shirik | not a big deal, shouldn't show up |
| 09:28.40 | krka | just match on .* then, should definitely match on all legal strings :) |
| 09:29.00 | augustl | how I want to buy Fuel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhyyUiYQolA |
| 09:29.06 | augustl | didn't know the game world was that huge |
| 09:29.22 | Fisker | no! |
| 09:29.36 | Shirik | krka :( |
| 09:29.41 | Shirik | I still need to pick out something accurate >< |
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| 09:42.57 | Shirik | ok ths is working for me Adys, I guess, On average, its run time is 2.78ms, and it consumes 73 conditions of the condition limit. |
| 09:43.27 | Shirik | I don't think it's going to get better unless we drop something |
| 09:44.48 | Adys | Shirik: you could drop "file" support |
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| 09:50.09 | Shirik | I don't think that's a major issue |
| 09:50.16 | Shirik | it's just one character |
| 09:50.21 | Shirik | if it were repeated, it would be a different story |
| 09:50.38 | Fisker | what are you doing anyways? |
| 09:51.02 | Shirik | regular expressions! |
| 09:51.06 | Shirik | Do you need a reason to mess with them? |
| 09:51.22 | Shirik | http://xkcd.com/208/ |
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| 09:56.32 | freite | just started some addon development, how do i in a clean way delete a texture created with CreateTexture? |
| 10:01.08 | Kalroth | I don't believe you can |
| 10:01.17 | Kalroth | Other than reloading UI |
| 10:01.58 | Kalroth | So dont create objects unless you really intend to use them and reuse them when possible (oh and dont create anything in OnUpdate either!) |
| 10:03.56 | freite | ok thanks |
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| 10:06.44 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/161/ |
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| 10:06.59 | Adys | reading old xkcd comics every 3 weeks should be a law |
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| 10:40.57 | olafski | mmm.. katamari |
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| 10:44.44 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh when you ordered it did you "Skip this step" or just "Continue" with blank fields on the engraving? |
| 10:44.54 | jnwhiteh | skip this step |
| 10:45.09 | jnwhiteh | afaik |
| 10:45.39 | Fisker | Someone is speculating that if you leave it blank they still engrave it (with nothing) |
| 10:45.42 | Fisker | :P |
| 10:46.08 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 10:47.28 | Kalroth | you should have entered a random jerkcity sentence! |
| 10:47.51 | jnwhiteh | yeah its true, this was my opportunity to fuck with Fisker |
| 10:47.53 | jnwhiteh | but meh |
| 10:47.58 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:48.05 | Fisker | my madness level would've been 1006 |
| 10:48.15 | Fisker | oh wait, i got it upside down, it would've been over 9000 |
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| 11:04.10 | Fisker | launches Wobin into outer space |
| 11:05.09 | Wobin | I'm a Wobinman... burnin out my fuse up here alone |
| 11:05.48 | Fisker | [Wtfman]: startin up [Better Off Dred]! need all |
| 11:05.59 | Fisker | You mean queue up for a DTK and go pull all raptors during the boss? |
| 11:06.15 | Wobin | don't you have to wait for the raptors to engage? |
| 11:07.15 | Fisker | no |
| 11:08.20 | industrial | Fisker: you wouldnt put it in a raptor |
| 11:08.24 | Wobin | I guess he needs a tank, healer and a couple of other dps |
| 11:08.45 | Wobin | better than saying "LF4M for [Better Off Dred]" |
| 11:13.12 | Fisker | haha |
| 11:13.14 | Fisker | so much for oculus changes |
| 11:13.22 | zenzio | oh? |
| 11:13.44 | Ginji | Hmm? |
| 11:13.47 | Ginji | They reverted it? |
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| 11:37.36 | Fisker | no Ginji |
| 11:37.39 | Fisker | but people still leave |
| 11:37.43 | Fisker | and this run took almost 25 minutes |
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| 11:42.19 | Fisker | haha |
| 11:51.26 | Ginji | But why are they leaving? |
| 11:51.30 | Ginji | It's not exactly a hard instance |
| 11:54.37 | Grum | its one of the shorter instance O.o |
| 11:54.38 | Grum | even before nerfs |
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| 12:03.43 | Zuo | I know this sounds a bit odd just coming from nowhere. Just sat in the EU irc and felt like I needed to shout to in the US channel for ideas :P In short, I felt like it's really hard to track when a instance is completed in dungeons (mainly LFD). LFG_COMPLETION_REWARD only fires when you go "random" but if you specifically go a dungeon it does not fire. I tried tracking statistics updates but there less than half of all the bosses are available. |
| 12:03.43 | Zuo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.52 | Grum | this is also an EU channel :p |
| 12:05.00 | Grum | its for the world! |
| 12:05.10 | Zuo | Yeah, well it's more populated than ours ;p |
| 12:05.13 | Grum | and erm, yeah you could perhaps catch events from an addon like LittleWigs/BigWigs? |
| 12:05.55 | Zuo | best would be having the addon stand alone though ofc I could utilize events from BW and DBM to track when bosses are defeated. |
| 12:07.14 | Zuo | would be so simple if LFG_COMPLETION_REWARD fired no mater what type of LFD you do, and instead let the GetLFGCompletionReward() decide if you get the reward alert or not ;( anywhere I could submit my suggestion? |
| 12:11.24 | Fisker | You could try taking a look at DungeonSpeedRunner |
| 12:12.23 | Zuo | taking a peak atm |
| 12:13.21 | Zuo | funny, only saw it tracking LFG_COMPLETION_REWARD too |
| 12:13.53 | Zuo | ah, think there is more. kind of hard to read others code ;) |
| 12:17.12 | Shirik | Adys, you still around? |
| 12:18.11 | Adys | yeah just woke up |
| 12:18.11 | Adys | sup |
| 12:18.53 | Shirik | On average, its run time is 0.26ms, and it consumes 4 conditions of the condition limit. |
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| 12:19.06 | Adys | nice |
| 12:19.10 | Adys | whats it look like now? |
| 12:19.12 | Shirik | I didn't do anything... |
| 12:19.19 | Shirik | I just let it run for like 2 hours (accidentally) |
| 12:19.24 | Adys | internal cache |
| 12:19.45 | Adys | or it took an awesome nap like i just did |
| 12:20.04 | Shirik | Yeah I just woke up :( |
| 12:20.24 | Shirik | I want to go back to sleep |
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| 12:32.37 | Fisker | instances should have like a prep zone like arenas |
| 12:32.49 | zenzio | let me guess |
| 12:33.04 | zenzio | your Random group's rogue just pulled the dwarves in HoS |
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| 12:44.54 | A-KO | meh, the plight of an awesome healer. |
| 12:45.52 | Cruciformer | Shirik: ping |
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| 12:46.05 | Shirik | very sleepy pong, what's up |
| 12:46.42 | Cruciformer | do you by any chance have the 180mm macro lens? |
| 12:46.49 | Shirik | no |
| 12:46.58 | Shirik | only the 24-70mm f/2.8 right now |
| 12:47.31 | Cruciformer | ah ok. Dont suppose you know if any of the other canon-heads in here might have it do you? |
| 12:47.54 | Cruciformer | Iriel is a canon guys isnt he? |
| 12:47.58 | Cruciformer | -s |
| 12:47.58 | Shirik | not sure really |
| 12:48.13 | Cruciformer | it is focusing *so* weird |
| 12:49.06 | Cruciformer | whatever that canon tool is that shows you which focus point was chosen ... that part of the pic is blurry as hell, and the stuff at the edge of the lense is sharper than an unemployed brit's wit |
| 12:50.35 | Cruciformer | and I also realised that when I bought all my kit a year and a half ago that B&H sent me everything except the ring flash for the macro lens :( |
| 12:50.48 | Cruciformer | too late to do anything about it now tho. |
| 12:51.38 | zenzio | I'm a Canon guy, but I'm also sufficiently unknowledgeable about photographing that I leave my camera at Auto |
| 12:52.00 | Cruciformer | I do too most of the time unless I need to dick with DoF |
| 12:52.12 | zenzio | DoF... oh, the memories |
| 12:52.26 | zenzio | except for me it means Dance of Fools, not depth of field (which I suppose is what you meant) |
| 12:52.39 | Cruciformer | someething I need to do quite often with my 85mm primae |
| 12:52.47 | Cruciformer | it is :) |
| 12:52.52 | zenzio | need to or want to? |
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| 12:53.31 | Cruciformer | need to. the DoF is so damned short on that lense that the top of the nose on a face will be perfectly focused and the eyes are already a little blurry. |
| 12:53.43 | Cruciformer | *tip of the nose |
| 12:53.44 | zenzio | my dad has been into photography since before I was born... trying to talk to him about it is futile, it's all over my head |
| 12:53.52 | Cruciformer | and by the ear its already very soft. |
| 12:53.54 | Zuo | Sorry to interrupt, on top of your brains -what boss fights in the game (5 man heroics/normal) have a final boss that has an event (does not die) or dies multiple times. So far I got COT:Strat (malganis despawns) and TOC (black knight dies 3 times in total). Anything I missed? |
| 12:53.55 | zenzio | ah, I see |
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| 12:54.32 | Cruciformer | its a very fast lense (1.2 I believe) |
| 12:54.48 | Cruciformer | so for a decent face shot I usually have to stop it down to 4.0 or 5.6 |
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| 12:55.12 | Cruciformer | or stop it up or whatever the hell the correct terminology is |
| 12:55.22 | Cruciformer | make the number bigger :) |
| 12:55.27 | zenzio | hehe |
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| 12:57.25 | Ancu1 | glarg! how do you get rid of those damnd ghost again? |
| 12:57.36 | Cruciformer | one of these days I should really take a photography class to learn the basics |
| 12:57.44 | zenzio | /ns ghost nick password |
| 12:58.17 | Grum | zenzelezz: mmm and /ns does what? :D |
| 12:58.24 | Grum | nickserv? mmmm |
| 12:58.27 | Cruciformer | sends a msg to nickserve |
| 12:58.52 | ancu | thank you |
| 12:59.39 | Ancu | so.....I hate dialup, anything interesting going |
| 12:59.59 | Ancu | on |
| 13:00.20 | Cruciformer | Dunno if its interesting to you but I finally got a german translation for my mod |
| 13:00.33 | Cruciformer | can finally release the new version. |
| 13:00.52 | Ancu | lol |
| 13:01.12 | Ancu | I get wow back today! |
| 13:01.23 | Cruciformer | was it on vacation? |
| 13:01.49 | Ancu | nah, but I didn't have money to pay for the last sub date. short by 3 bucks |
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| 13:01.59 | Cruciformer | ah |
| 13:03.07 | Cruciformer | god I wish george rr martin would hurry up and finish his series. *grumble* |
| 13:03.23 | zenzio | which series is that? |
| 13:03.31 | Cruciformer | song of ice and fire |
| 13:03.47 | Cruciformer | one of the best fantasy series ive read |
| 13:04.28 | Cruciformer | make's robert jordan's waste^H^H^H^H^Hwheel of time series look like the drawn-out belaboured crap it is. |
| 13:04.36 | zenzio | lol |
| 13:04.46 | zenzio | I may give that a go sometime |
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| 13:05.09 | Cruciformer | its awesome. main characters dying at unexpected moments, incest, political intrigue, sex ... very adult. |
| 13:05.16 | zenzio | I'm still waiting for the last book in the Void Trilogy series, which was recently announced to be late 2010 :-/ I finished reading the second book sometime before this last summer |
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| 13:05.27 | Cruciformer | not like the more peurile fantasy that seems to have been the vogue for the last 10-15 years |
| 13:05.34 | zenzio | yet he's already planned to write another two-book or three-book series |
| 13:05.43 | Cruciformer | who? |
| 13:05.51 | zenzio | Peter F. Hamilton |
| 13:05.57 | Cruciformer | omg |
| 13:06.06 | Cruciformer | dont even mention his name to me |
| 13:06.20 | Cruciformer | the reality dysfunction was such a cop-out |
| 13:06.20 | zenzio | take it you're no fan then |
| 13:06.26 | zenzio | cop-out? |
| 13:06.32 | Cruciformer | the way it ended |
| 13:06.47 | Cruciformer | the whole deus-ex-machina style went out of style about 400 years ago |
| 13:06.56 | Fisker | ooh jnwhiteh |
| 13:07.05 | Fisker | a lot of people getting those devices before paying tax :O! |
| 13:07.19 | Ancu | tell me your not twilight fans? |
| 13:07.22 | zenzio | Cruciformer: I think you must be refering to the Night's Dawn trilogy, there was no deus-ex machina type thing at the end of the first book |
| 13:07.36 | Cruciformer | zenzio: I was refering to it as the whole |
| 13:07.37 | zenzio | I personally love that series, but that's all personal taste |
| 13:07.46 | Cruciformer | I loved it up until the naked god |
| 13:08.33 | Cruciformer | zenzio: I forget the trilogy has I title I always refered to it as just the reality dysfunction |
| 13:08.44 | Ancu | So what about the twins of petaby trilogy? anyone read that? |
| 13:08.53 | Cruciformer | No sir I have not |
| 13:09.03 | Ancu | Powers that be? |
| 13:09.06 | Cruciformer | Im about to re-read the Hyperion Cantos for like the 20th time tho |
| 13:09.22 | Ancu | enders game saga |
| 13:09.29 | Cruciformer | as soon as I finish teh amtrak wars, which I had forgotten how much I both liked and hated for the way it ended |
| 13:09.31 | zenzio | Cruciformer: understandable enough. Did you read his Commonwealth Saga or the (so far) Void trilogy? |
| 13:09.46 | Cruciformer | zenzio: Nope night's dawn was all I have read by him. |
| 13:09.55 | Cruciformer | ender is awesome |
| 13:09.56 | Ancu | any sifi? |
| 13:10.01 | Ancu | yes he is |
| 13:10.07 | zenzio | I'm told his books before Night's Dawn were pretty good, but haven't read them |
| 13:10.14 | Cruciformer | orson scott card is very talented. |
| 13:10.14 | Ancu | my fave is xenocide |
| 13:10.37 | Cruciformer | I liked the ones he did after xenocide, ender's shadow and something hegemony |
| 13:10.46 | zenzio | my problem in finding good series is that while I can enjoy fantasy, I prefer sci-fi... and there's so much mediocre sci-fi |
| 13:10.47 | Cruciformer | ender's shadowm, the one with bean, was awesome. |
| 13:10.53 | Ancu | the shadow series |
| 13:11.01 | Cruciformer | zenzio: have you ready hyperion? |
| 13:11.03 | Ancu | that was good |
| 13:11.08 | Ancu | nope |
| 13:11.08 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.09 | zenzio | I don't believe so |
| 13:11.15 | Cruciformer | Dan Simmons yes |
| 13:11.28 | Cruciformer | zenzio:L omfg u need to fix that. best sci-fi Ive read to date. |
| 13:11.39 | zenzio | very briefly, what's it about? |
| 13:11.49 | Cruciformer | wow ... ummm ... |
| 13:11.57 | Cruciformer | gimme a second to work a precis in my head |
| 13:12.04 | Wobin | "zomg Aliens" |
| 13:12.27 | Ancu | Has anyone read/listened to chopin manuscript? |
| 13:13.23 | Cruciformer | 7 pilgrims thrown on a pilgrimage to the planet hyperion to visit a creature called the Shrike, telling their stories about how they came to be there. Inter-planetary war between humankind and the technocore, a race of extremely advanced AI's. Moves back and forth through time, even has some rather novel characters in it like John Keats, the actual poet from the 1800s |
| 13:14.01 | zenzio | hm, that does sound interesting |
| 13:14.16 | Wobin | that could almost be the plot to Callahan's Cross Time Saloon =P |
| 13:14.27 | Ancu | does anyone else have an http://www.audible.com/ account? |
| 13:14.31 | Wobin | except Spider Robinson had Nicolai Tesla |
| 13:14.36 | Wobin | who is infinitely cooler than Keats =) |
| 13:14.43 | Cruciformer | the first book is about the pilgrims, the second book (Fall of Hyperion) is about the politics of the hegemony of man, the third book (Endymion) is an adventure story, and the 4th (Rise of Endymion) is an astoundingly beautiful treatise on Bhudism and spirituality |
| 13:15.14 | Wobin | One guy I used to be creators with on a MUD used "Shrike" as his nickname |
| 13:15.27 | Cruciformer | I used to use Shrike as my nickname :) |
| 13:15.32 | Wobin | so from henceforth on, whenever I see Shirik, I visualise him |
| 13:15.40 | zenzio | your sentence is too puzzling Wobin |
| 13:15.46 | Wobin | despite the fact that Shrike and Shirik look nothing alike |
| 13:15.53 | zenzio | I kept reading it as "one guy I used to be" |
| 13:16.09 | Wobin | One fellow I once knew, on a MUD... |
| 13:16.21 | zenzio | I got it after a while, once I read the full sentence |
| 13:16.21 | Ancu | lol |
| 13:16.22 | Wobin | took on the moniker, Shrike, as an appelation |
| 13:16.30 | zenzio | but I thought I misunderstood the first part so I kept re-reading it |
| 13:16.30 | Cruciformer | dan simmons does this amazing thing with weaving in classic literature into his works. Hyperion and Endymion are both poems by John Keats |
| 13:16.37 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: yes maam? |
| 13:16.46 | Cruciformer | and his Illium series is basicaly a sci-fi version of the Illiad ... very intersting. |
| 13:16.49 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: that would be nice! |
| 13:17.48 | Cruciformer | zenzio: U just cant go wrong with dan simmons. he wins awards for every genre he writes, be it sci-fi, fantasy, horry, spy novels, murder-mystery, you name it. |
| 13:18.35 | Cruciformer | horry=horror |
| 13:19.17 | zenzio | I never care about awards for authors or games or movies, it's too much a personal opinion. But from what you've said of his works, they do sound interesting |
| 13:19.38 | Cruciformer | some awards have meaning |
| 13:19.45 | Cruciformer | but overall I agree |
| 13:20.15 | zenzio | you're right that some do; but with the advent of the Internet, anyone and everyone has their own awards |
| 13:20.26 | zenzio | "Game of the Year"? From which of the 1000 sites? |
| 13:20.51 | Cruciformer | brb |
| 13:21.05 | Wobin | for decent Scifi, L E Modesitt Jr does some good stuff |
| 13:21.27 | Wobin | very much political/ecological thrillers |
| 13:21.30 | zenzio | got any example titles? |
| 13:22.28 | Wobin | The Octagonal Raven, The Parafaith War |
| 13:22.51 | Wobin | He writes a lot of Fantasy too, The Recluse saga being one of the longer running ones |
| 13:23.00 | Wobin | 15 books in that |
| 13:23.06 | zenzio | cheers |
| 13:23.08 | Wobin | er Recluce |
| 13:23.34 | zenzio | I'll give both those guys a look next time I'm buying some sci-fi books on Amazon |
| 13:23.36 | Wobin | and his 'alternate history' series is pretty damn awesome for the concept |
| 13:23.47 | zenzio | how so? |
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| 13:26.34 | Wobin | As university professor and former government agent Johan Eshbach reluctantly returns to duty to investigate the death of a fellow teacher, he plunges into the midst of a deadly game of politics and murder. Set in an alternate world where the Dutch settlement of North America did not give way to the British, where "difference engines" handle information processing, and where the psychic energies of ghostly manifestations exert their influ |
| 13:26.34 | Wobin | ence over the living, Modesitt's latest novel transforms a cliched plot into a vivid exercise in historic speculation. |
| 13:26.52 | Wobin | semi steampunkish |
| 13:27.01 | Fisker | yeah jnwhiteh, also don't call me maam :( |
| 13:27.46 | zenzio | Fisker: how about mama? |
| 13:28.29 | zenzio | Wobin: might be worth reading |
| 13:28.53 | Wobin | The Recluce series is a good one |
| 13:28.59 | Wobin | it's pseudofantasy |
| 13:29.05 | Wobin | because the backstory is scifi |
| 13:29.36 | Wobin | but it's never really put forward as such, just as an origin setting |
| 13:29.51 | zenzio | one thing that annoys me about the Void Trilogy is that it seems confused whether it wants to be sci-fi or fantasy (or it's just an attempt to be both) |
| 13:29.55 | Wobin | he's very good at worldbuilding |
| 13:31.38 | Wobin | The basic backstory to the Recluce series, is that two spacefaring ships on opposite sides of the war, basically take each other out in a battle, and in the explosion get shifted dimensions or something. They both crashland on this planet, but at wildly different time frames (centuries apart) |
| 13:32.13 | Wobin | and it turns out that the abilities they had to control their ships, allow them to control what's essentially 'magic' in this universe... |
| 13:32.24 | Wobin | and all the books are really about their descendants |
| 13:32.57 | Wobin | I found it interesting, because the magic has a form in 'chaos' and 'order', with chaos being white, and order, black... |
| 13:33.12 | Wobin | and the books cover characters from both sides |
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| 13:39.56 | DJJeff | rolling realm restarts |
| 13:39.59 | DJJeff | are under way |
| 13:40.03 | DJJeff | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudge! |
| 13:40.11 | DJJeff | im 2% away from 80 |
| 13:40.18 | DJJeff | shakes fists |
| 13:40.24 | DJJeff | damn you blizzard |
| 13:40.48 | DJJeff | im debating to stay @ 79 or ding to 80 |
| 13:40.54 | mikma | yes. |
| 13:40.58 | DJJeff | yes? |
| 13:41.45 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/kayaks.jpg |
| 13:41.47 | mikma | yeeeehaaaaaw! |
| 13:42.06 | DJJeff | hahahahaha |
| 13:42.15 | DJJeff | they are awaiting certain death |
| 13:42.23 | DJJeff | most certain |
| 13:42.56 | DJJeff | im gonna have that pic as my desktop backgroun |
| 13:43.01 | DJJeff | background |
| 13:45.35 | DJJeff | once you hit 80 you cant go in the 70-79s BGs ? |
| 13:45.42 | DJJeff | is that the only loss |
| 13:46.04 | DJJeff | or is there other things to worry about |
| 13:46.31 | DJJeff | yaaaaaaaaaaaaay realms are back up |
| 13:46.39 | olafski | why would you remain at lvl 79 :< |
| 13:46.47 | DJJeff | not sure |
| 13:46.53 | olafski | yeah the BG stuff is true |
| 13:46.54 | DJJeff | I wanna be certain before I ding |
| 13:47.12 | olafski | but if you stay at 79 you need to freeze your xp |
| 13:47.23 | olafski | and then you'll only play in BGs against other people who have done the same |
| 13:47.24 | DJJeff | how do you do that? |
| 13:47.31 | DJJeff | oh |
| 13:47.32 | DJJeff | thats lame |
| 13:47.33 | olafski | I'll go out on a limb and guess that there aren't many of those, so very long queue times |
| 13:47.38 | olafski | no, that's fair :P |
| 13:50.46 | DJJeff | are the mobs in 80 BG's really hard? |
| 13:50.59 | DJJeff | like 85 wolfs |
| 13:51.00 | DJJeff | lol |
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| 13:52.22 | DJJeff | I guess I can use this time to catch up on my outland dungeons |
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| 14:05.35 | Aelobin | hmm anyone know what lvl you can go to netherstorm/shadowmoon |
| 14:06.01 | mikma | 68 |
| 14:07.13 | Fisker | rages |
| 14:09.48 | Aelobin | bah, blades edge before northrend i guess then |
| 14:14.59 | olafski | djjeff: the mobs in 80 BGs are around lvl 80-83 I guess |
| 14:15.02 | olafski | the wolves are probably 80 :) |
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| 14:23.15 | Fisker | i prefer netherstorm Aelobin |
| 14:23.21 | Fisker | blade's edge is the most horrible zone ever |
| 14:23.55 | olafski | I usually do the first 5 quests in blade's edge or so, those are easy, then I move to netherstorm |
| 14:23.56 | Aelobin | Fisker: i'm 67 :P |
| 14:23.59 | olafski | both at lvl 66 or 67 |
| 14:24.19 | olafski | make sure you've chosen aldor or scryer before you go to netherstorm, else you'll miss out on a few quests |
| 14:26.49 | Kraps | would a raiding guild invite someone who doesnt raid, just a guy who want to be in a guild? |
| 14:27.00 | nevcairiel | depends on the guild |
| 14:27.01 | nevcairiel | some do |
| 14:27.09 | nevcairiel | but usually only if you know someone in the guild |
| 14:27.28 | olafski | so called social members :) |
| 14:28.52 | Kraps | i really want to join a raiding guild |
| 14:29.07 | krka | loremaster is fun in blade's edge :) |
| 14:29.28 | olafski | I only had trouble with loremaster in nagrand |
| 14:29.47 | olafski | only finished that after I did shadowmoon first, since that has some quests that take you to nagrand |
| 14:29.48 | krka | depends on what order you do quests in |
| 14:29.57 | olafski | yeah, I tried to go by zone level |
| 14:30.00 | krka | you can make it harder for yourself by doing stuff in the wrong order |
| 14:30.19 | krka | that's what i did \o/ |
| 14:30.20 | Grum | <Kraps> i really want to join a raiding guild <-- howso? :D |
| 14:30.55 | Kraps | Grum: so i can talk to people |
| 14:31.31 | Grum | mmm why not just a 'normal guild' ? :) |
| 14:31.52 | Fisker | so what Aelobin ? |
| 14:32.18 | olafski | netherstorm is quite doable at 67 |
| 14:32.38 | Kraps | Grum: i did, not active enough |
| 14:32.38 | Aelobin | ah ok, was asking above what lvl what required :p |
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| 14:32.45 | Aelobin | *was |
| 14:32.56 | olafski | http://www.wowwiki.com/Zones_by_level |
| 14:32.59 | Grum | Kraps: well make friends with a raider and ask if you can join as social |
| 14:33.00 | olafski | 67-70 according to that |
| 14:33.15 | Kraps | stormreaver doesnt have any big casual guilds i dont think |
| 14:34.00 | olafski | could be a hardcore guild that allows social members |
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| 14:34.30 | Grum | olafski: hard to get into them without knowing at least one of their raiders |
| 14:35.48 | olafski | sure.. but surely at least a couple of the people on someone's friend list are raiders |
| 14:36.03 | Aelobin | ah ty olafski |
| 14:36.24 | olafski | but I dunno about his realm.. on my realm there are plenty of "we'll take anyone" guilds |
| 14:36.46 | Grum | oh yeah, the guild that advertise themselves in /2 are usually those guilds hehe |
| 14:37.02 | Grum | real guilds just wait for people to come to them via wowprogress etc |
| 14:37.30 | olafski | :) |
| 14:37.42 | olafski | it feels so nice to not want to join such a guild :P |
| 14:37.46 | Grum | i think 95% of the apps we get is via wowprogress hehe |
| 14:37.53 | Grum | the others from the server itself |
| 14:38.08 | olafski | I'm a casual player who plays like 5 hours a day ;p |
| 14:38.27 | Grum | that is more than i play as semi-hardcore raider atm;) |
| 14:38.42 | olafski | yer probably is for quite a few raiders ;) |
| 14:38.54 | olafski | I just like muddling about.. done the raiding and I've seen enough of it |
| 14:39.09 | Grum | so what do you do hehe |
| 14:39.18 | olafski | I level or do some heroics |
| 14:39.25 | olafski | dunno what I'll do if all my chars are max level though |
| 14:39.39 | olafski | s/if/when/ |
| 14:39.44 | Grum | that is quite some emblems if you do 5 hours of heroics, something like 150-200 orso :) |
| 14:40.04 | olafski | 5 heroics per hour? I don't generally make that |
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| 14:40.23 | Cide | hard to do even 4 |
| 14:40.26 | olafski | indeed |
| 14:40.33 | Grum | 4-5 per hour is easily done depending on your class (and thereby queue times) |
| 14:40.37 | olafski | the random buff thing is 15 minutes |
| 14:40.48 | Grum | 6 if you get the right instances :) |
| 14:40.50 | Cide | the buff almost always fades before you're done |
| 14:40.57 | Grum | and 6-7 if you get a 'premade group' of good toons |
| 14:40.57 | olafski | cide: yeah.. not for grum apparently :P |
| 14:41.01 | Cide | unless you're in a premade or end up with really good dps |
| 14:41.01 | haste | olafski: the debuff is removed when you complete an instance |
| 14:41.07 | olafski | haste: oh.. ok :) |
| 14:41.09 | Cide | it still fades while in-instance |
| 14:41.15 | Cide | thus indicating most runs take more than 15 min |
| 14:41.25 | haste | depends on the group and instance |
| 14:41.26 | Grum | you can do AN in 6 minutes orso if you really push it :) |
| 14:41.27 | olafski | yeah most heroics take about 15-20 minutes for me I think |
| 14:41.36 | olafski | heh yeah AN is rather quick |
| 14:41.40 | Cide | if you're tank you can set the pace a lot better than as a healer |
| 14:41.54 | olafski | but saving time on the second boss requires so much explanation you might as well do it the normal way |
| 14:42.02 | Grum | Nexus ~12 mins; Draktheron ~12; Gundrak ~12 |
| 14:42.14 | Kaelten | Hey guys just a heads up, our datacenter is having issues and as a result most of our sites (WowAce, Curse, +others) are unreachable at the moment. |
| 14:42.17 | Grum | unless you despawn it yourself and just jump down and skip it completely =)) |
| 14:42.24 | olafski | hm true |
| 14:42.32 | olafski | then everyone should follow though |
| 14:42.37 | Grum | you can despawn it with one of those christmas-present-racecars i think |
| 14:42.47 | olafski | I did a run where one person didn't get it and stayed up top, so was cut off from us by the anub'ar crushers |
| 14:42.55 | Grum | so you do it with 4m :p |
| 14:43.02 | olafski | then the healer managed to stay outside the last boss room |
| 14:43.11 | olafski | we tried to 3man the boss but wiped at like 5% |
| 14:43.34 | Thunder_Child | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2010/01/e60jv-2.jpg |
| 14:43.38 | Grum | the ones to hate (if you kill all bosses) CoT/VH/HoS |
| 14:44.14 | olafski | haha nice thunder_child |
| 14:44.29 | olafski | yeah.. CoT and VH don't really support speeding up |
| 14:44.30 | Grum | Thunder_Child: the images in the tree are programatical merges? |
| 14:44.34 | olafski | HoS does a bit if you skip a few bosses |
| 14:44.43 | Grum | yeah |
| 14:44.49 | Thunder_Child | Grum: i have no idea |
| 14:44.49 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: ? |
| 14:44.56 | Grum | but there are lots of places where you can save shitloads of time |
| 14:45.03 | Grum | draktheron keep, the boss in the bubble, skip it =) |
| 14:45.11 | Grum | just run past it .. no doors .. no nothing stopping you =) |
| 14:45.11 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5442309/dear-photoshop-thank-you-for-the-prettiest-woman-in-the-planet |
| 14:45.17 | Thunder_Child | thats the actualt page |
| 14:45.20 | Thunder_Child | doesnt have much more info |
| 14:46.20 | Lunessa | Station, dudes. |
| 14:46.50 | Grum | appears they just took the ~50% alpha of both images and merged em like that :D |
| 14:47.16 | Grum | hmmm nah that cant be right, needs more touching up than that for some of the pairs |
| 14:48.54 | Lunessa | Kaelten: That sucks. Hopefully they get that resolved quickly for you. You might want to post on the WoW UI & Macros forum to stem the tide of panic. |
| 14:48.55 | olafski | yeah.. they aren't 100% the same shape :) |
| 14:49.04 | olafski | but for the lower tiers it kind of looks that way |
| 14:49.13 | olafski | look at the blended hair in the right parent of the "perfect" woman |
| 14:50.02 | Grum | it appears they just did the overlay and 'blended the alpha' to be more 'desired layer' |
| 14:50.05 | Grum | looks nice though |
| 14:50.28 | Grum | you should do it better! take all the 'most beautiful men' and make a frankenstein out of that =) |
| 14:50.46 | Grum | take all of their worst features and laugh at em :( |
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| 14:54.46 | Wobin | Old Kingdom, you only have to kill two bosses |
| 14:57.08 | Kraps | i cant remember which website ranks realms |
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| 15:00.18 | Fisker | people always do them though Wobin |
| 15:00.19 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:00.27 | Fisker | well sometimes they skip the mushroom boss |
| 15:00.55 | nevcairiel | i never ever got old kingdom in random dungeon |
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| 15:01.51 | Wobin | eh, I usually encourage people to skip them all |
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| 15:04.51 | olafski | well, the first boss is hardly a detour |
| 15:05.00 | olafski | mushroom and jedoga are though |
| 15:05.23 | Grum | OK is a quick instance indeed :D |
| 15:05.45 | zenzelezz | so this guy calls, asks for some person. I say he's reached someone else, and he asks if he could check the number then. So he reads out the number he wanted to call, and I tell him that no, he's reached our number (which is almost the same, just rearranged some digits). I tell him he must just have dialed incorrectly. "No, I haven't, but let me try again." I didn't hear from him again. Attempt to save face = fail |
| 15:06.05 | olafski | lol |
| 15:07.47 | Kraps | zenzelezz: a woman called me and i said she had the wrong number. she calls a second time and when i tell her its the wrong number again she calls me a liar :/ |
| 15:08.27 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 15:08.27 | mikma | i had some drunken woman calling me in middle of the night to my second phone (which was linked to the main number) |
| 15:08.47 | mikma | called me like 4 times in a row at night |
| 15:08.59 | olafski | maybe she likes you |
| 15:09.27 | zenzelezz | my coworker was once in a position to get any mobile phone number he wanted that started in 9699, so he chose 9699 9699. He occasionally gets "pocket calls" |
| 15:09.34 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Birthday Zenzelezz |
| 15:09.42 | zenzelezz | \o/ |
| 15:09.46 | zenzelezz | huggles Cairenn |
| 15:09.51 | Lopeppeppy | pounce-huggles zenzelezz! |
| 15:09.52 | Cairenn | huggles zenzelezz :) |
| 15:10.03 | mikma | olafski: maybe, but i disconnected that line anyway after a while because it was useless ^^ |
| 15:10.04 | Wobin | zenzelezz, are you holding up a martini glass? =P |
| 15:10.06 | olafski | congratulations :) |
| 15:10.08 | krka | wow, you're really old now |
| 15:10.08 | Thunder_Child | "another year older, another year dead" |
| 15:10.10 | krka | must be sad |
| 15:10.22 | zenzelezz | krka: it is, but you don't know the details of why |
| 15:10.22 | olafski | another day older and deeper in debt! |
| 15:10.45 | zenzelezz | olafski: actually, that's not true. My loan only starts next month, only then am I indebted for the next 30 years :) |
| 15:10.53 | olafski | :) |
| 15:11.06 | Wobin | grats on the mortgage =) |
| 15:11.32 | Thunder_Child | or end of school |
| 15:11.52 | olafski | isn't that a debt already even if you're not repaying it yet? |
| 15:12.09 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: nope, I've just lived at home for a long time, saving up money to buy an apartment |
| 15:12.16 | Thunder_Child | out of sight , out of mind |
| 15:12.25 | zenzelezz | olafski: could be, technically. All I know is the money isn't transferred to the seller until the 1st |
| 15:12.38 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz: building? |
| 15:12.52 | zenzelezz | building what? |
| 15:13.01 | Thunder_Child | to buy an apartment building |
| 15:13.16 | zenzelezz | no, just an apartment. Over here it's usual for individuals to own them |
| 15:13.27 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 15:13.28 | Wobin | here also |
| 15:13.48 | Wobin | lives in a studio apt, above the station |
| 15:13.50 | zenzelezz | my American friends insist I could have bought a villa over there for the same sum >.< |
| 15:13.50 | Cairenn | over here, owned apartments are called condos |
| 15:14.01 | Wobin | it's probably true =( |
| 15:14.07 | Wobin | where are you zenzz? |
| 15:14.11 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: that might be the right word, I'm a bit lacking in these terms |
| 15:14.14 | zenzelezz | Wobin: Norway |
| 15:14.24 | olafski | zenzelezz: I meant the school loan stuff ;) |
| 15:14.31 | zenzelezz | olafski: ah |
| 15:14.41 | nevcairiel | so if i pay rent, its an apt, and if i buy it, its a condo? |
| 15:14.47 | Fisker | i guess they got OWNED Cairenn |
| 15:14.48 | nevcairiel | so i finally understand the difference :P |
| 15:14.51 | zenzelezz | Fisker: lol |
| 15:14.52 | olafski | as soon as you start receiving money you're required to somehow pay it back |
| 15:15.01 | Fisker | and why didn't i get a birthday thingy in topic :( |
| 15:15.03 | Wobin | huh |
| 15:15.05 | Wobin | that's kinda weird =) |
| 15:15.05 | olafski | or me |
| 15:15.17 | zenzelezz | I cleverly reminded Cairenn a while ago |
| 15:15.22 | krka | over here, owned apartments are called Bostadsrätt |
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| 15:15.27 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Essentially, yes. |
| 15:15.35 | Wobin | why the difference in name? |
| 15:15.35 | krka | but then, you don't really own it, just a membership to the Bostadsrättförening |
| 15:16.22 | Cairenn | condos usually have annual condo membership fees |
| 15:16.24 | Lunessa | Wobin: $$ |
| 15:16.39 | Wobin | Lunessa, ? |
| 15:16.39 | zenzelezz | krka: there are different kinds of ownership here. You can own it completely, which poses some risks, like if damage occurs to the actual building. You can own it mostly, while the apartment building handles some things, and you have to have a membership. And then there's a stock-like ownership that's just bad |
| 15:16.49 | Wobin | we have a strata |
| 15:16.58 | krka | [General trade] anal condo membership fees? |
| 15:17.02 | Wobin | which is, you own everything from the paint in |
| 15:17.17 | Wobin | but external, hallways, etc are looked after by the strata |
| 15:17.21 | Wobin | but you pay fees to them |
| 15:17.26 | zenzelezz | that sounds like what I've got |
| 15:17.32 | Wobin | it's sort of 'shared ownership' |
| 15:17.40 | Wobin | with everyone else in the building =) |
| 15:17.40 | Cairenn | sounds like a typical condo plan |
| 15:17.52 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: because you werent born, you were spawned |
| 15:18.51 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: If that's the case, can we remove him from the database and kill that routine? There's no XP or reward for Fiskers. |
| 15:19.06 | Lunessa | And they're certainly not tied to any quests. |
| 15:19.17 | zenzelezz | he has a Civilian tag :( |
| 15:19.30 | Thunder_Child | you play to much wow Lunessa, other creatures are spawned |
| 15:19.49 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: But the joke is funnier if it's wow-related. |
| 15:19.55 | Thunder_Child | frogs, fish, devils, etc. |
| 15:21.40 | DJJeff | D |
| 15:21.41 | DJJeff | I |
| 15:21.43 | DJJeff | N |
| 15:21.44 | DJJeff | G |
| 15:21.45 | DJJeff | . |
| 15:21.46 | DJJeff | 8 |
| 15:21.46 | DJJeff | 0 |
| 15:21.48 | DJJeff | ! |
| 15:21.49 | DJJeff | :) |
| 15:21.57 | Wobin | You could have pastey'd that =P |
| 15:21.58 | DJJeff | and now I quit wow |
| 15:21.59 | olafski | grats.. spammer |
| 15:22.25 | DJJeff | you should have seen the spam I did in Trade chat |
| 15:22.27 | DJJeff | it was lol |
| 15:22.38 | DJJeff | oh wait I screenshot it |
| 15:22.52 | olafski | your first 80 then I assume |
| 15:22.57 | DJJeff | yes sir |
| 15:23.02 | DJJeff | 3 fucking years |
| 15:23.05 | olafski | off to the gear-farming grind you go |
| 15:23.13 | olafski | wotlk hasn't been out for 3 years |
| 15:23.19 | DJJeff | I am getting wasted in Worlds End Tavern |
| 15:23.50 | zenzelezz | DJJeff: pro tip: spamming any chat with such messages hasn't been cool since the 90s |
| 15:24.06 | Thunder_Child | it has never been cool |
| 15:24.12 | DJJeff | lol |
| 15:24.25 | DJJeff | its just a major breakthrough |
| 15:24.38 | DJJeff | better then 50 lines of ASCII |
| 15:24.44 | krka | all the cool people have atleast two level 80s you know |
| 15:24.47 | krka | get back to work |
| 15:24.54 | DJJeff | I am not cool? |
| 15:24.57 | DJJeff | why thank you sir |
| 15:25.09 | Cairenn | is not cool |
| 15:25.21 | krka | no you're hot! |
| 15:25.22 | Wobin | Cairenn is smoking hot |
| 15:25.24 | zenzelezz | lies |
| 15:25.27 | zenzelezz | about the cool |
| 15:25.34 | krka | i dont have two level 80s either actually :P |
| 15:25.52 | Kalroth | You're a bunch of slackers! |
| 15:25.58 | olafski | hey |
| 15:25.58 | Ackis | spams Thunder_Child |
| 15:26.00 | olafski | I'm a slacker :( |
| 15:26.04 | Ackis | spams zenzelezz |
| 15:26.07 | Thunder_Child | there is an upper limit as well, you stop being cool after your 4th 80 |
| 15:26.09 | DJJeff | we are slackers that have a life |
| 15:26.13 | olafski | Deathski, Master Slacker of <Slackers> |
| 15:26.13 | DJJeff | outside of WoW |
| 15:26.16 | Kalroth | DJJeff: riight, life! |
| 15:26.23 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: I have a level 90 froglok jedi |
| 15:26.24 | Thunder_Child | deadly spamps Ackis |
| 15:26.25 | krka | how do you kill, that which has no life? |
| 15:26.27 | zenzelezz | I'm surprised how many vBulletin-based forums don't disable "Happy birthday" e-mails. Even Anarchy Online sent me one, and my account's not been active in years |
| 15:26.27 | Thunder_Child | spams* |
| 15:26.29 | olafski | don't compare djjeff to me please :P |
| 15:26.40 | Kalroth | last time I checked spamming irc wasn't including in having a life! |
| 15:26.42 | olafski | zenzelezz: yeah.. I got like 15 of those from various forums and other websites |
| 15:26.47 | DJJeff | hahahaha nice |
| 15:26.50 | olafski | djjeff: what class did you get to 80? |
| 15:26.54 | DJJeff | thats hardly spam |
| 15:27.00 | Ackis | zenzelezz: happy birthday! |
| 15:27.06 | DJJeff | colored ASCII is spam |
| 15:27.15 | olafski | djjeff: 9 lines just to say "I reached level 80" is spam |
| 15:27.20 | zenzelezz | indeed |
| 15:27.33 | DJJeff | or showing off what your listning to in winamp every 2 min |
| 15:27.45 | DJJeff | I see some channels full of that crap |
| 15:27.46 | Ackis | imo the 50 lines to QQ about his 9 lines to say "I reached level 80" is also spam :D |
| 15:27.56 | Kalroth | regardless, definition of life differs from person to person, dont assume that yours is correct! |
| 15:28.26 | olafski | ackis: indeed |
| 15:28.27 | Kalroth | Ackis: I didn't see that spam, I only assumed he had been spamming :p |
| 15:28.27 | Thunder_Child | and yet Ackis, you would be wrong |
| 15:28.32 | olafski | anyway djjeff, what class did you get to 80? |
| 15:28.54 | Kalroth | wait, I actually got three level 80s now that I think about it |
| 15:28.55 | DJJeff | rapping about sex crap in trade chat Vs this........ |
| 15:28.56 | DJJeff | http://i45.tinypic.com/wbx8ow.jpg |
| 15:29.03 | DJJeff | Blood Elf Mage |
| 15:29.09 | olafski | ah.. enjoy the queue times :P |
| 15:29.17 | DJJeff | Why? |
| 15:29.17 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: haven't you realized I'm never wrong/ |
| 15:29.29 | DJJeff | Tanks and Healers have short queue times |
| 15:29.34 | olafski | because queueing as a dps is horrible :) |
| 15:29.47 | olafski | actually it seems even for healers it's not very nice |
| 15:29.50 | Thunder_Child | no Ackis, not only have i not realized it, i am never going to |
| 15:29.52 | krka | i rarely wait more than like 3-4 minutes |
| 15:29.54 | Ackis | http://cryingwife.com/ <-- epic |
| 15:30.00 | krka | as dps |
| 15:30.02 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: then you are living a sheltered life! |
| 15:30.08 | Ackis | is proud to say he's never used the queue! |
| 15:30.25 | DJJeff | im queued for "The Forge of Souls" right now |
| 15:30.54 | Fisker | can i have a spawndate then Thunder_Child ? |
| 15:31.24 | olafski | krka: lucky you :) yesterday I queued on my mage with my gf as healer, we regularly had to wait for like 10 minutes |
| 15:31.35 | Ackis | Fisker: get STO yet/ |
| 15:31.55 | Thunder_Child | you fail Ackis |
| 15:32.12 | Ackis | nein |
| 15:32.24 | Thunder_Child | wait till after the OB to bitch at people |
| 15:32.51 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: your spawn date is 1328 |
| 15:33.07 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: i has closed beta |
| 15:33.19 | Wobin | Ackis, I love how he put the smilieys in the captions |
| 15:33.25 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: but not everyone does |
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| 15:34.29 | Ackis | Wobin: that site is epic :D |
| 15:34.33 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: you nein! |
| 15:35.16 | krka | awesome site Ackis |
| 15:35.34 | Fisker | no Ackis |
| 15:35.40 | Fisker | i only want a nexus one |
| 15:35.43 | Fisker | to hell with STO |
| 15:35.51 | Fisker | (moar like STD's though) |
| 15:36.03 | Ackis | Point Balance: 88500 / Lifetime Points: 155500 |
| 15:36.08 | Ackis | UDE POINTS HO! |
| 15:36.19 | Ackis | Fisker: imma making USS NC-69 WHACKOFF |
| 15:36.36 | Ackis | I am so mature. :) |
| 15:37.17 | Fisker | imma fuck you up Ackis |
| 15:37.28 | Ackis | w00t |
| 15:38.41 | Fisker | give me some pets and mounts |
| 15:38.47 | Fisker | for free! |
| 15:38.56 | Ackis | mounts Fisker |
| 15:39.22 | Lunessa | is not cool. Cool stopped being something I did when I turned 25. Now I settle for saying nasty things on the internet about cool people. |
| 15:40.07 | olafski | you spend money on ude points? :< |
| 15:40.26 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Lunessa. |
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| 15:40.48 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: USS Fisker |
| 15:41.11 | Ackis | olafski: I think I bought a few points, 99% of them are from me playing the TCG/Mini's though :P |
| 15:41.19 | olafski | hm |
| 15:41.23 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: then everyone would come aboard! |
| 15:41.40 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: or running away |
| 15:42.53 | Thunder_Child | s/running/run/ |
| 15:57.56 | Ackis | so I'm bored today (and my brother is in some major f'n surgery) so lets talk about... wowmatrix! |
| 15:59.44 | Cairenn | no |
| 15:59.55 | Ackis | grumbles |
| 15:59.58 | Cairenn | let's not, and say we didn't |
| 16:00.04 | Cairenn | is your brother okay? |
| 16:00.08 | Thunder_Child | should we talk about the Cairenn fan club instead? |
| 16:00.34 | Ackis | Cairenn: getting cancer cut out, he'll be in surgery for about 3-4 more hours |
| 16:00.42 | Cairenn | Ackis: :( |
| 16:00.50 | mikma | lol lol lol lobotomy |
| 16:00.54 | Cairenn | fingers crossed that it goes well and they get it all |
| 16:01.06 | Ackis | thank you <3 |
| 16:02.18 | augustl | I don't have wow to try here, but it's hopefully a top of the head question: is "/script" the regular lua environment or some kind of sandbox? |
| 16:02.41 | haste | regular |
| 16:02.42 | haste | same as /run |
| 16:02.52 | augustl | so "/script foo="bar" set the global variable "foo", which can be used in later "/script" calls? |
| 16:02.57 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 16:03.02 | augustl | s/set/will set |
| 16:03.04 | haste | yes, it's the ordinary global env |
| 16:03.04 | augustl | i see, thanks :) |
| 16:03.16 | haste | it's only restricted code that's executed in a custom env. |
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| 16:06.26 | augustl | by the way, will "local foo" in the global scope set a global variable? Kind of how "var foo" in the global scope will set a global var in javascript. |
| 16:06.47 | nevcairiel | no, it wont |
| 16:08.11 | cbreak | it'll be file local |
| 16:08.17 | cbreak | I think like static in c |
| 16:09.09 | augustl | I see |
| 16:09.22 | augustl | should have guessed, a bunch of "local" statements at the beginning of a file is quite common |
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| 16:10.35 | Ancu | curse client is updating |
| 16:10.40 | Ancu | sigh |
| 16:10.48 | Bruners | and this is bad how ? |
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| 16:11.07 | Ancu | Im on dialup |
| 16:11.35 | Bruners | then the question is, why do you run the client when on dialup ? |
| 16:12.11 | Ancu | because its faster then loading 3 pages to get to the addon download |
| 16:12.33 | Ancu | except when it is updating its self |
| 16:13.25 | Bruners | Ancu: is the game playable on dialup ? |
| 16:13.44 | Ancu | yeah |
| 16:13.57 | Ancu | but not some instances |
| 16:15.34 | Ancu | mainly heroics. Not that my laptop can handle them anyway. I do the stuff I cant do on my lap top when I am up to my friends house |
| 16:16.41 | Ancu | Which I will be tomarow |
| 16:16.47 | augustl | is there a reference for macro parameters somewhere? [foo] stuff. Found http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro, but they're scattered all over the page. A neat list would be nice :) |
| 16:17.25 | Ancu | so what dose healbot do? |
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| 16:17.57 | Ancu | augustl: I know that there are guides to specific macros. I always have to google for them. |
| 16:18.05 | augustl | :) |
| 16:19.04 | Ancu | I would look for one now if I where not downloading a Curse Client Update |
| 16:19.06 | Lunessa | The guide you already linked is comprehensive. |
| 16:19.37 | augustl | but I'm lazy! =P |
| 16:20.29 | Lunessa | Then you're stuffed. |
| 16:20.49 | Ancu | yay! the update is done! |
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| 16:26.40 | augustl | Lua programming gems - good book? :) |
| 16:27.38 | Ancu | dont know, I need to set down and actualy finish learning how to program wow addons |
| 16:28.33 | augustl | no reviews on amazon :O |
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| 16:29.26 | Ancu | must be new...or no good |
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| 16:30.55 | Grum | wtf ... someone just tried to steel the shards/orbs by staying in the instance without rolling on the items |
| 16:30.58 | Grum | until everyone had left |
| 16:31.06 | nevcairiel | that doesnt work |
| 16:31.09 | Grum | it does O.o |
| 16:31.36 | nevcairiel | since when? you usually cant pick up stuff that you didnt win, even if the person left |
| 16:32.03 | Grum | true that; i just wonder; i ported back in and the guy quickly left the group (but was still in the instance) |
| 16:32.09 | Cide | I'm guessing the other people don't roll if they're not in the instance when the roll happens |
| 16:32.12 | Grum | and when he left the loot split between us |
| 16:32.26 | Cide | even if they got the roll box |
| 16:32.28 | Grum | could just be roll-luck .. let me see |
| 16:32.57 | Grum | and it was hehe ... but still ... it smelled fishy enough to teleport back into the instances for >< |
| 16:33.06 | Cairenn | haste: as opposed to .... ? |
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| 16:40.07 | Ancu | zorbathut, you on? |
| 16:40.15 | haste | Cairenn: what? |
| 16:40.43 | Cairenn | "Obviously busy enforcing rules! " .... as opposed to? |
| 16:40.56 | haste | Cairenn: it was meant as a reply to Bruners, you just posted while I was typing :P |
| 16:41.00 | Cairenn | ah |
| 16:41.07 | Cairenn | hokay |
| 16:41.20 | nevcairiel | ninja-cairenn-posts! |
| 16:41.25 | Cairenn | nevah |
| 16:41.40 | Ancu | Ill just wait till tommarow to update QH |
| 16:41.43 | haste | I'm the type of person who just clicks post and closes the thread :p |
| 16:41.49 | Cairenn | :) |
| 16:43.16 | Fisker | brrrs |
| 16:44.34 | Ancu | *sings I had to turn of trade chat by outlandish podcast* |
| 16:44.36 | haste | Fisker: squat for 40 sec while breathing heavily, then blow your thumb, go! |
| 16:45.00 | Bruners | haste: slow typer! :P |
| 16:45.47 | haste | Bruners: obviously had to verify the rules first :P |
| 16:46.18 | Bruners | signatures with images should be illegal imo |
| 16:46.39 | haste | I do agree with that |
| 16:46.44 | haste | avatars are enough to identify people |
| 16:46.48 | Ancu | sings Grandma Got Her Ass Kicked By A Dreani by Outlandish Podcast |
| 16:47.16 | Bruners | haste: the good thing is that people tend to use a service for it so they are easy to block :) |
| 16:47.55 | Fisker | no! haste |
| 16:47.59 | Ancu | But I want a life size portrait of chuck Norris in my sig! |
| 16:48.31 | Ancu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:48.54 | Ancu | awww, it doesn't work outside of wow :,( |
| 16:48.55 | Bruners | is it possible to ignore all forum threads about nui ? |
| 16:48.59 | ZorbaTHut | ancu, just got up |
| 16:49.35 | Ancu | hey zorba, is it worth it to update QH today? Or should I put it off till tomarow when I have highspeed |
| 16:49.46 | Ancu | I should ask if its a crucial update |
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| 16:49.57 | ZorbaTHut | ancu, check the changelog, it tells all :D |
| 16:50.09 | ZorbaTHut | (that said, no, I haven't been putting much time in lately) |
| 16:50.16 | Ancu | Yeah, it said somthing about errors |
| 16:50.18 | Ancu | kk |
| 16:50.18 | Bruners | Ancu: do you have any problems with your current QH ? if no, don't update |
| 16:50.26 | Ancu | lol |
| 16:50.35 | haste | that usually works fine |
| 16:50.51 | Ancu | I was just asking because the log said something about errors... |
| 16:51.22 | haste | odds are you get more errors after updating |
| 16:51.26 | Bruners | :D |
| 16:51.29 | haste | if you aren't getting any taht is |
| 16:51.55 | Bruners | i wonder what QH brings to the game now with the new quest stuff? |
| 16:52.27 | Fisker | lol |
| 16:52.30 | Fisker | http://gizmodo.com/5442459/nexus-one-vs-iphone-3gs-vs-droid-vs-pre-the-definitive-comparison |
| 16:52.39 | Fisker | Guess who wins (you'll probably be wrong). |
| 16:52.39 | Fisker | My impression is that nobody clearly wins. Each of these phones have their own strengths and weaknesses, but there's still not a definitive one. My favorite is still the iPhone |
| 16:52.42 | Wobin | Bruners, it brings all the boys to the yard |
| 16:52.47 | Fisker | oh, so in other words, you lost! |
| 16:52.48 | Fisker | BAM |
| 16:52.51 | Ancu | achivment stuff |
| 16:53.08 | Ancu | like it tells you where incompleate quest are |
| 16:53.21 | nevcairiel | How can the iPhone be his favorite |
| 16:53.25 | nevcairiel | its so full of fail |
| 16:53.38 | nevcairiel | If you want a HW keyboard, get the Droid, if you dont, get the nexus one .. simple :P |
| 16:54.02 | Ancu | but it doesn't acknowledge that some quest are class specific. |
| 16:54.21 | ZorbaTHut | ancu, yeah, I'm slowly gathering the data for that. It'll be a bit. |
| 16:54.24 | Thunder_Child | bah, id rather have the HD2 than the nexus |
| 16:54.33 | Ancu | kk |
| 16:54.34 | Fisker | but that has wm7 |
| 16:54.38 | Fisker | err 6.5 |
| 16:54.56 | Thunder_Child | exactly |
| 16:54.57 | Bruners | haste: can you run the nexus one android 2.0 OS on a hero ? |
| 16:55.08 | nevcairiel | why would you want wm6.5 |
| 16:55.14 | nevcairiel | or even wm for that matter |
| 16:55.31 | Ancu | Id like to be able to run nexus on this crappy lap top! but I need to get one of those laptop fan things to put under it so it wont get too hot and become all twitchy |
| 16:56.30 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: iPhone is my favorite too. |
| 16:57.20 | nevcairiel | the iPhone battery has only two modes, "empty" and "charging" .. :P |
| 16:57.29 | Ancu | So, the nexus one, will it be free and powered by adds? Either way, whos towers is google using? |
| 16:57.46 | cbreak | normal phones have a third mode: Missing. |
| 16:57.53 | nevcairiel | obviously they just sell you the phone |
| 16:57.57 | Bruners | i would never bend over and buy an iphone |
| 16:57.58 | nevcairiel | you still have to get a default carrier |
| 16:58.05 | nevcairiel | i believe they work with t-mobile |
| 16:58.14 | nevcairiel | but you can get it without any contract, too |
| 16:58.59 | Fisker | naw Bruners |
| 16:59.03 | Fisker | but people are porting that shit |
| 16:59.08 | Thunder_Child | i find it interesting that the nexus has 7 hours of talk time and 250 standby, while the iphone has 5 talk and 300 standby |
| 16:59.12 | Fisker | But you can't just carbon copy it and throw it on a hero |
| 16:59.16 | Fisker | atleast i doubt it'll work |
| 16:59.16 | Ancu | unlocks are expensive. And you cant garenty that your carrier can suport them. I think I will stick with my motorola hint |
| 16:59.33 | Fisker | jnwhiteh maintains a 2.0 rom apparently |
| 16:59.36 | Fisker | for the hero |
| 16:59.42 | jnwhiteh | this is true. |
| 16:59.47 | jnwhiteh | two of them, actually |
| 16:59.51 | Bruners | cool |
| 17:00.00 | Bruners | where can one find theese? |
| 17:00.08 | jnwhiteh | one isn't out |
| 17:00.10 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: maybe their speaker/mic or even gsm transceiver just require more power =P |
| 17:00.14 | jnwhiteh | the other is on htcpedia |
| 17:00.29 | jnwhiteh | depends on what you'r elooking for |
| 17:00.33 | jnwhiteh | MCR 3.1 is coming out soon too |
| 17:00.41 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: still semms odd |
| 17:00.46 | Thunder_Child | seems* |
| 17:00.51 | jnwhiteh | http://htcpedia.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=55 |
| 17:01.01 | nevcairiel | or the nexus uses more power in standby |
| 17:01.17 | Thunder_Child | speaking of the nexus http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2010/01/abmdgbxvixkmdxrb.huge.jpeg |
| 17:02.33 | nevcairiel | wonder when motorola will push out the 2.0.1 for the milestone, that auto-focus bug is driving me nuts sometimes |
| 17:03.03 | jnwhiteh | manufacturer's lagging is the one reason i'd buy the nexus. |
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| 17:03.28 | nevcairiel | its probably still HTC having to approve new firmwares |
| 17:03.33 | nevcairiel | so not sure it helps much |
| 17:03.35 | jnwhiteh | but its not Sense. |
| 17:03.39 | jnwhiteh | and its designed to be hacked. |
| 17:03.43 | jnwhiteh | so I can compile, and I do =) |
| 17:03.48 | durcyn | i'll buy the first android phone that doesn't have that stupid fucking scroll ball on it |
| 17:03.54 | jnwhiteh | the scroll ball is nice |
| 17:03.55 | jnwhiteh | asshat =) |
| 17:03.58 | nevcairiel | scroll ball? |
| 17:04.05 | durcyn | trackball whatever |
| 17:04.10 | elec29a | hi can someone write me a small addon for 5k gold ? |
| 17:04.13 | Thunder_Child | like the blackberry balls of fail? |
| 17:04.15 | jnwhiteh | try navigating an edit box without it. |
| 17:04.22 | nevcairiel | oh that thing |
| 17:04.27 | jnwhiteh | point.. ah shit.. point.. ah shit again.. point... AH SHIT |
| 17:04.30 | nevcairiel | on the droid its at least only on the hw keyboard |
| 17:04.33 | durcyn | the "hi, i'm going to last two days until i get gummed up with all kinds of random gobshite" ball |
| 17:04.35 | jnwhiteh | and its nice for notifications as well |
| 17:04.42 | Bruners | elec29a: telling what addon you want would be better |
| 17:05.00 | durcyn | iphone zoom select works like a charm for me |
| 17:05.01 | elec29a | i need an addon that is in my calendar to invite the actual group |
| 17:05.14 | Thunder_Child | that ball is retarded fail. KISS should always be the overriding prinicple |
| 17:05.17 | nevcairiel | I wish multi-touch zoom would work on all apps, though |
| 17:05.22 | nevcairiel | it works in the browser |
| 17:05.25 | nevcairiel | but not in google maps |
| 17:05.27 | nevcairiel | wtf is that |
| 17:05.29 | jnwhiteh | durcyn: you have zoom select on normal widgets, not web pages? |
| 17:05.37 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: potential patent issues. |
| 17:05.45 | nevcairiel | i have the EU phone |
| 17:05.53 | nevcairiel | the US phone doesnt even have multi-touch in the browser |
| 17:05.59 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 17:06.01 | durcyn | jnwhiteh: any text widget, yeah |
| 17:06.03 | jnwhiteh | but moto compiles the browser |
| 17:06.06 | jnwhiteh | they don't compile gmaps. |
| 17:06.10 | cbreak | doesn't the calendar already invite people? |
| 17:06.13 | jnwhiteh | I don't understand how a ball to navigate around when you want/need it is a bad thing |
| 17:06.15 | jnwhiteh | I've used it |
| 17:06.16 | durcyn | and i'm not talking about android |
| 17:06.22 | jnwhiteh | I dont see how it's not KISS |
| 17:06.30 | jnwhiteh | its a ball, that allows you to navigate your device |
| 17:06.30 | Lunessa | THe wonderful thing about tech toys is that you'll just buy another one next year. |
| 17:06.52 | nevcairiel | I plan to keep it two years, really |
| 17:06.54 | durcyn | jnwhiteh: i haven't seen a phone trackball that doesn't eventually stop working, was my point |
| 17:06.56 | Thunder_Child | jnwhiteh: because moving parts are mor likely to break down |
| 17:07.01 | Thunder_Child | more* |
| 17:07.20 | cbreak | Thunder_Child: can't be! Never had a mouse? |
| 17:07.27 | cbreak | they NEVER break! and they do use bals |
| 17:07.41 | nevcairiel | you still have a mouse with balls? |
| 17:07.53 | Thunder_Child | ah cbreak, but you never touch the balls |
| 17:07.54 | cbreak | maybe. Somewhere in my Tech Graveyard |
| 17:08.28 | Thunder_Child | for example the ones when you spin the balls (cant remeber what they are called) break down more than the standard kind |
| 17:08.35 | nevcairiel | trackballs? |
| 17:08.42 | cbreak | Track Balls? |
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| 17:08.48 | cbreak | likes Track Pads |
| 17:08.57 | Thunder_Child | sure, that |
| 17:09.12 | cbreak | hates IBM Track Nipples |
| 17:09.27 | nevcairiel | the ibm track nipples work quite well |
| 17:09.36 | nevcairiel | don't try the cheap copies |
| 17:09.46 | Fisker | do they twist? |
| 17:10.02 | cbreak | Destructively |
| 17:10.03 | Thunder_Child | well nipples move less than balls |
| 17:10.20 | cbreak | I think they are too sensitive, and too inexact. |
| 17:10.21 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, that's evil. |
| 17:10.26 | cbreak | Never seem to quite do what I want |
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| 17:12.22 | amro | any eclipse users around to guide me through the maze that is the downloads page? |
| 17:12.24 | amro | http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ |
| 17:12.31 | amro | (I just want to use it with the GWT plugin) |
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| 17:13.23 | foxlit | who's a gwt? |
| 17:13.44 | durcyn | google web toolkit? |
| 17:13.44 | amro | google web toolkit |
| 17:14.13 | amro | what's java ee anyway? how is that different from java? |
| 17:14.24 | nevcairiel | just some other plugins for ee development |
| 17:14.27 | foxlit | amro: get whatever. |
| 17:14.40 | amro | foxlit: Eclipse for PHP Developers (138 MB) this one? :P |
| 17:14.40 | foxlit | plugins install separately within eclipse |
| 17:14.55 | amro | yes, I know, but I want to get the smallest package that I need |
| 17:14.56 | Adys | foxlit: question is, "whats the lightest" |
| 17:14.59 | foxlit | If you're developing in PHP, that might be an idea :) |
| 17:15.08 | Adys | gwt is java |
| 17:15.15 | nevcairiel | then get the java version |
| 17:15.18 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 17:15.20 | Adys | there are 3. |
| 17:15.25 | Adys | er |
| 17:15.27 | Adys | sorry, 4. |
| 17:15.29 | amro | nevcairiel: what's EE? |
| 17:15.35 | amro | or more succintly, should I care? |
| 17:15.37 | nevcairiel | enterprise stuff |
| 17:15.44 | amro | I'll go with the 92mb one |
| 17:15.46 | nevcairiel | just get the "for java developers" |
| 17:15.54 | durcyn | i thought EE was what they were calling the JDK now |
| 17:16.01 | Adys | and why the fuck does it ship with a cvs client? |
| 17:16.08 | nevcairiel | legacy, i guess |
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| 17:18.09 | foxlit | amro: there are several java editions; classes offered vary. |
| 17:18.47 | foxlit | ME is mobile, SE is most desktop applications, and EE is enterprise stuff, whatever that entails -- probably web services. |
| 17:18.47 | nevcairiel | EE usually means the servlet stuff, or even EJB if you go extreme |
| 17:20.28 | nevcairiel | its just a buzz word |
| 17:20.37 | nevcairiel | "I know Java EE development .. or J2EE" |
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| 17:26.17 | Kraps | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8443541.stm |
| 17:26.27 | Ancu | I have finaly learned why healers hate hunters so mcuh |
| 17:26.46 | Ancu | those stupid over agroing basterds |
| 17:27.00 | Ancu | they make all us hunters look bad |
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| 17:27.23 | nevcairiel | shouldnt that more annoy tanks? |
| 17:27.32 | Ancu | Im getting healbot though, and that should help |
| 17:27.57 | Ancu | no, if the hunter takes agro, then the healer has to heal both tank and hunter |
| 17:28.15 | nevcairiel | I just let the hunter die if he cant feign death |
| 17:28.16 | Ancu | then risking taking agro themselves by over healing |
| 17:28.37 | Ancu | FD is level 40 right? |
| 17:28.45 | Ancu | im level 30 |
| 17:28.55 | Ancu | my healer is i mean |
| 17:29.02 | nevcairiel | what do i know, i havent played low level since 4 years :P |
| 17:30.00 | Ancu | 0_o why are you in this chat channel then? If i stopped playing wow I wouldn't be here. |
| 17:30.07 | wereHamster | how is that even possible for anyone other than the tank to take agro? How that blizzard reports true threat value |
| 17:30.12 | Ancu | g2g |
| 17:30.26 | wereHamster | s/How/Now/ |
| 17:30.37 | nevcairiel | not paying attention |
| 17:31.16 | mikma | do people have to kill festergut before rotface? |
| 17:31.30 | foxlit | no |
| 17:33.49 | Shirik | Ancu|gone: I really don't understand how hunters pull aggro |
| 17:34.02 | Shirik | they have feign death AND misdirection |
| 17:34.10 | nevcairiel | not on level 30 apparently :P |
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| 17:41.39 | Wobin | Shirik, I've seen hunters that don't use MD |
| 17:41.46 | Wobin | God knows why =( |
| 17:42.06 | Wobin | (aside from "They suck") |
| 17:42.07 | Polarina | What's MD? |
| 17:42.08 | zenzelezz | it's not enough to rock the damage meter, they need to rock the threat meter too |
| 17:42.11 | zenzelezz | Misdirection |
| 17:42.23 | Polarina | o.O |
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| 17:46.19 | Phaqui | > s = "hey"; print(type(s)) |
| 17:48.34 | cog|work | woot... Mountain Dew Throwback is my 40th unique item in my caffeine shrine =) |
| 17:48.44 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww. That's adorabubble. |
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| 18:04.49 | phood | Lo all, I was just wondering if anyone knew of a forum specifically for people building wow based websites. eg armoury crawlers, combat log parsers, ect (not blogs, web comics, ect...) |
| 18:10.54 | nicoli_s | most of them just hang out here phood |
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| 18:11.02 | ccox | ah, yes, it's time for the morning "wake up earthquake"... |
| 18:11.10 | ccox | (only 3.5 to 4.0, no damage here) |
| 18:11.25 | phood | awsome :D |
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| 18:15.51 | amro | now I'm hungry |
| 18:17.04 | amro | Shirik: ping |
| 18:18.30 | ccox | 4.1 at center, about 20 miles away |
| 18:22.16 | Adys | TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 1 argument (83 given) |
| 18:23.00 | phood | where was the quake? |
| 18:23.53 | ccox | SF bay |
| 18:25.31 | phood | nasty one? |
| 18:27.35 | zenzelezz | better than some bays |
| 18:28.16 | ccox | not a bad quake - just one bump and some shaking, nothing broken here |
| 18:28.42 | phood | thats good to hear :D |
| 18:29.22 | phood | i'm new here by the way guys, can I introduce my self? |
| 18:30.22 | Thunder_Child | ccox: you woke up at 10am? |
| 18:30.33 | ccox | no, but I'm awake now! |
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| 18:32.48 | Thunder_Child | you know, i think FF uses less memory than chrome |
| 18:33.10 | kdtresh | i thought that was expected |
| 18:33.44 | Thunder_Child | really? i kept hearing otherwaise |
| 18:33.45 | Thunder_Child | oh well |
| 18:34.01 | kdtresh | i thought chrome was frontloading the ram, opening separate processes for each tab |
| 18:34.09 | kdtresh | but in the long run it would be better |
| 18:34.53 | phood | I did a stint in the google offices in london, most of them hate it |
| 18:35.25 | Thunder_Child | better is something of an opnion. i do however like each tab being it's own process, i crash FF more than enough |
| 18:36.10 | Adys | Thunder_Child: chrome's memory consumption isn't measured like firefox's |
| 18:36.24 | Adys | there was a whole blog post explaining.. cba to find it |
| 18:36.34 | Thunder_Child | Adys: i look at it via task manager |
| 18:36.41 | Adys | yeah and you shouldnt |
| 18:36.44 | Adys | try about:memory |
| 18:36.56 | Thunder_Child | i did, it adds it up nicely for me |
| 18:37.02 | Thunder_Child | and still uses more than FF |
| 18:37.14 | Adys | you should look at private memory |
| 18:37.38 | Thunder_Child | ya, still with you |
| 18:37.39 | Adys | here I'm at 39M private, with.. 16 tabs |
| 18:37.50 | Adys | firefox is 150M with 1 tab |
| 18:37.58 | kdtresh | when i look at memory, i turn my face to the moonlight |
| 18:38.02 | Adys | im not good in math but it looks better than firefox. |
| 18:38.04 | Polarina | My firefox doesn't have that page. :S |
| 18:38.11 | Adys | its a chrome page |
| 18:38.20 | Adys | firefox doesn't need it |
| 18:38.29 | Polarina | :( |
| 18:38.44 | Adys | just load myspace.com, should give you an idea of the mess firefox is leaving with your memory |
| 18:39.11 | Adys | also chrome shows other browsers' memory consumption in its about:memory |
| 18:40.33 | Thunder_Child | i have both open with the same tabs in both programs. FF is less than half Chrome |
| 18:40.38 | airtonix | myspace is a clusterfuck regardless of how you view it |
| 18:40.39 | Thunder_Child | with more plugins |
| 18:41.17 | Thunder_Child | well, except for the memory page |
| 18:42.31 | airtonix | i just booted up FF, i have chrome open with 4 tabs and ff with only one. chrome : 32mb, FF : 54mb |
| 18:43.10 | airtonix | but then FF has about 10 addons |
| 18:43.52 | ZorbaTHut | in some ways I sort of just don't care |
| 18:44.03 | ZorbaTHut | I have eight gigs of ram, fuck it, if firefox wants to use less than one percent of that it's a-ok by me |
| 18:44.14 | ZorbaTHut | the thing that bugs me about firefox is how goddamn slowly it runs with lots of tabs open :( |
| 18:44.15 | Pneumatus | i long for the day of FF only using 54mb |
| 18:44.33 | Pneumatus | mine just tipped over 400mb |
| 18:44.54 | nevcairiel | empty firefox uses 40mb for me with some addons (empty as in, one tab with google open) |
| 18:44.57 | ZorbaTHut | mine is actually using a bit over a gigabyte :( |
| 18:45.18 | nevcairiel | but i'm not one of those weird people that leave their browser open for a week |
| 18:45.34 | Pneumatus | i rarely restart my browser, and keep about 30 tabs open though |
| 18:45.35 | Thunder_Child | heh, i never close my browsers |
| 18:46.05 | nevcairiel | i see no point in that, when i'm done with a page, i close it .. net is fast enough to load it again if i need it :d |
| 18:46.11 | airtonix | i bet you never flush either |
| 18:46.33 | Thunder_Child | you would lose that bet |
| 18:46.33 | Adys | Cide: halp |
| 18:46.43 | Cide | with what? |
| 18:46.50 | airtonix | your water closet must be the breeding ground for new star systems |
| 18:46.54 | Adys | @property |
| 18:46.54 | Adys | def verbose_name(self): return self._meta.verbose_name |
| 18:46.55 | Cide | also: have you used pyqt[4] much? |
| 18:47.01 | Adys | some |
| 18:47.08 | Cide | graphicsview/graphicsscene? |
| 18:47.12 | Cide | what about it? |
| 18:47.12 | Adys | and, this is returning <property object at 0x7f8437b73f18> |
| 18:47.17 | Adys | none of that, sorry |
| 18:47.21 | Adys | just some tableview stuff |
| 18:47.28 | Adys | also, use pyside |
| 18:47.36 | Cide | what's that? |
| 18:47.45 | Adys | nokia's implementation of python qt bindings |
| 18:47.49 | Adys | its better, afaik |
| 18:48.01 | Cide | ah, I'll check it out |
| 18:48.33 | airtonix | just found : http://sourceforge.net/projects/winxmove/ & http://taekwindow.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:48.39 | Cide | is obj.verbose_name returning a property object? |
| 18:48.51 | Adys | yeah |
| 18:49.01 | Adys | in a django template |
| 18:49.09 | Adys | and its weird, in another its returning just fine |
| 18:49.20 | Cide | try the long form? |
| 18:49.24 | Cide | with another name maybe |
| 18:49.27 | Adys | what long form? |
| 18:49.31 | Cide | verb_name = property(verbose_name) |
| 18:49.35 | Adys | ah |
| 18:49.36 | Adys | sec |
| 18:50.01 | Adys | same |
| 18:50.55 | Cide | remove @propery |
| 18:51.23 | Cide | and then try obj.verbose_name() |
| 18:51.32 | Cide | and then obj.verb_nam |
| 18:51.34 | Cide | name* |
| 18:51.48 | Cide | also, are you calling it on an object and not the class? |
| 18:51.52 | Adys | not working.. bloody thing doesnt say a thing |
| 18:51.58 | Adys | hmmm thats possible |
| 18:52.21 | Adys | yeah |
| 18:52.29 | Adys | but i cant call it on an instance |
| 18:53.10 | Adys | screw it, ill remove this retarded _ limitation |
| 18:53.34 | Cide | you could do a class property |
| 18:54.05 | Adys | screw it |
| 18:54.11 | Adys | its not like my patchset is small |
| 18:54.12 | Adys | {{model.__name__|lower}} |
| 18:54.19 | Cide | maybe |
| 18:54.19 | Adys | this is how it should be done |
| 18:54.27 | Adys | and this is how its done |
| 18:56.42 | Kalroth_ | and this is how you're doing it |
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| 19:08.11 | Adys | Kalroth: you confuse me |
| 19:08.16 | Adys | with your _ your name is red |
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| 19:08.35 | amro | Adys: light blue, get a real nick colorizer |
| 19:08.47 | Adys | its real |
| 19:08.51 | Adys | realer than yours |
| 19:08.54 | amro | :( |
| 19:09.05 | amro | it's true, this one sucks. Cide and Adys are the same color, and same size |
| 19:09.14 | Kraps | is currently listening to Theory Of A Deadman - Say Goodbye |
| 19:09.25 | amro | buh-bye |
| 19:10.49 | Thunder_Child | that would have been a grea tiem to kick Kraps |
| 19:10.52 | Thunder_Child | great time* |
| 19:11.05 | Kraps | hey |
| 19:11.24 | Thunder_Child | yes? |
| 19:11.47 | Kraps | sup |
| 19:12.04 | Thunder_Child | go to hell, spammer of useless information! |
| 19:13.20 | Kraps | how about no |
| 19:14.02 | Kraps | we're n krystallus |
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| 19:17.56 | Bruners | can i do this http://pastey.net/131104 |
| 19:18.45 | nevcairiel | only if terrible is not false/nil |
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| 19:42.58 | Fisker | i'm so ronery jnwhiteh |
| 19:45.14 | Antiarc | Yall should come chat on Mumble |
| 19:45.15 | Antiarc | FYI |
| 19:45.31 | Antiarc | http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ - grab a client, connect to tachyonsix.com port 64046 |
| 19:49.24 | jnwhiteh | I can't get my cheap nexus one anymore |
| 19:49.26 | jnwhiteh | the guy is sold out |
| 19:49.31 | Antiarc | aww :( |
| 19:49.49 | Antiarc | http://guildofguilds.org/client/demo.html?id=2 <-- push web UI I built for Mumble :) |
| 19:49.57 | Antiarc | Updates to server state are reflected on the web in realtime |
| 19:50.42 | Cide | I wasn't impressed by mumble's voice quality |
| 19:50.45 | Keias | mumble is awesome |
| 19:50.46 | Cide | skype's is superior |
| 19:50.48 | durcyn | ugh, ruby. |
| 19:50.50 | Antiarc | what |
| 19:50.56 | Fisker | but whyyyyyyyy jnwhiteh? |
| 19:50.57 | Cide | or was when I tested it ~6m ago |
| 19:51.01 | Antiarc | Skype's is terrible if mumble is configured properly |
| 19:51.06 | Keias | 6 months is a long time :( |
| 19:51.11 | Antiarc | Also Mumble got a new buld with a new codec in the last month or so |
| 19:51.14 | Antiarc | It's pretty kickass now |
| 19:51.42 | durcyn | i'm told it's got decently low latency compared to ventrilo as well, is that true? |
| 19:51.47 | Antiarc | Yes, noticably lower |
| 19:51.49 | Keias | yep |
| 19:51.51 | Antiarc | Plus automatic normalization |
| 19:51.54 | Fisker | Festergut is a gut that fests a lot |
| 19:52.03 | Keias | It just doesn't have the userbase that ventrilo does :( |
| 19:52.06 | Antiarc | Mumble is better than vent in every way possible >_> |
| 19:52.26 | Antiarc | durcyn: The client pull server is written in ruby, but you could write it in anything |
| 19:52.30 | Cide | Antiarc: what codec is that? |
| 19:52.31 | Antiarc | You just need something to return a json object |
| 19:52.40 | Antiarc | Cide: CELT, http://www.celt-codec.org/ |
| 19:53.05 | Antiarc | It's early in dev, but it's far enough along that Mumble's 1.2 series was released with a frozen build of the codec |
| 19:53.09 | Antiarc | It sounds fantastic |
| 19:53.39 | Fisker | i'm hoping that doesn't include mine right jnwhiteh? :) |
| 19:55.40 | Cide | what annoyed me with murmur was the audio options iirc |
| 19:55.55 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: no, yours is fine imo |
| 19:56.13 | Antiarc | Cide: How so? |
| 19:56.44 | Seerah | ~seen Elkano |
| 19:56.47 | purl | elkano <n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3h 19m 53s ago, saying: 'also your reagent count isn't optional'. |
| 19:57.08 | Fisker | phew |
| 19:57.11 | Fisker | but still not shipped i guess? |
| 19:57.39 | wereHamster | nsfw://hawtness.com/2009/12/25/wtf-girl-photo-she-should-really-clean-up-her-ui/ - what do you think of her UI? |
| 19:57.59 | Fisker | nsfw is not a valid protocol |
| 19:58.09 | Bruners | untill you provide a proper link i wont look at it |
| 19:58.14 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 19:58.39 | Bruners | before you do i will just say, old |
| 19:59.22 | Fisker | probably the one with the naked chick sitting in a chair playing wow? |
| 19:59.34 | nevcairiel | she isnt even particularly hawt |
| 19:59.49 | Bruners | Fisker: could be |
| 20:00.24 | wereHamster | may be old, I haven't been particularly paying attention to what's going on in this channel in the past three years |
| 20:00.33 | nevcairiel | who has |
| 20:00.48 | Bruners | i havent seen the picture yet so i don't know if its old |
| 20:05.39 | Fisker | Dette casino er kanon. Registrer dig i dag og spin om en million |
| 20:07.11 | Bruners | Fisker: you wouldn't |
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| 20:11.20 | zenzelezz | "Planck units since the Big Bang is the only way! Let's see: ~5.4E-44 seconds per unit, ~1.37E10 years since the Big Bang ~= 2.53E53 decimal = 2A4359FEF2C78D94A50F53B75B35AA648000000000000 hex, which should take about 180 bits to store." |
| 20:15.03 | Shirik | seems reasonable |
| 20:15.10 | zenzelezz | I am curious if all these 2010 problems are of the same nature, or of different origin |
| 20:15.12 | Shirik | let's start making them 256 bit FPUs |
| 20:15.46 | zenzelezz | "Sorry, 2012 can't be accurately represented. Please wait until 2013" |
| 20:15.52 | nevcairiel | its kinda funny how 2010 ends up as 2016 .. like someone really messed up some decimal/hex conversion :P |
| 20:16.55 | zenzelezz | welcome to 20a |
| 20:17.49 | nevcairiel | who wouldve thought that 2010 we would've more problems then 2000 :P |
| 20:18.04 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 20:18.29 | Grum | it didnt? :p |
| 20:18.39 | nevcairiel | i didnt notice any problems in 2000 |
| 20:18.47 | nevcairiel | yet in 2010 my damn ec card broke :P |
| 20:18.47 | Grum | just bouncing people |
| 20:18.53 | Grum | lol how? :D |
| 20:19.01 | nevcairiel | dunno, something about the software |
| 20:19.05 | nevcairiel | they fixed it by now |
| 20:19.10 | nevcairiel | or rather worked around |
| 20:19.42 | zenzelezz | I'm intrigued that it happened in both Germany and Australia |
| 20:19.51 | nevcairiel | the security software on the chip apparently didnt like the date |
| 20:20.04 | Bruners | ec card? |
| 20:20.22 | nevcairiel | so they temporarily switched the ATMs and stuff back to the old security software using the magnetic thing on the back of the card instead of the chip |
| 20:20.34 | nevcairiel | electronic cash card .. debit card .. whatever you call them |
| 20:20.51 | kd3 | brr |
| 20:20.55 | kd3 | but yay, it's snowing |
| 20:21.05 | kd3 | wonders if atlanta's in full-fledged panic yet |
| 20:22.05 | ckknight | kd3: you in Atlanta? |
| 20:22.08 | kd3 | yar |
| 20:22.08 | Fisker | hah nevcairiel ! |
| 20:22.16 | ckknight | kd3: do you go to Dragon*Con? |
| 20:22.22 | Fisker | We just made device who accepts both the chip and the magnetic stripe |
| 20:22.31 | Fisker | thus making the "security" upgrade irrelevant |
| 20:22.31 | kd3 | I haven't in years past. probably will at some point |
| 20:22.34 | kd3 | goes to AWA |
| 20:22.38 | ckknight | kd3: went the last two years |
| 20:22.43 | ckknight | kd3: gave presentations, too |
| 20:22.48 | kd3 | ooh |
| 20:23.23 | Bruners | Fisker: i guess they have those devices in germany as well |
| 20:29.32 | nicoli_s | yah kd3, i bet you didnt know ckknight was the world premier harry potter scholar |
| 20:29.56 | ckknight | begins to cast a spell |
| 20:29.57 | ckknight | Coitus Interruptus! |
| 20:30.06 | Fisker | my nexus one will pwn your nexus one ckknight |
| 20:30.06 | kd3 | rofl |
| 20:30.21 | kd3 | meh. I'm waiting til they roll out the verizon one |
| 20:30.29 | kd3 | doesn't get t-mobile service at his house |
| 20:30.59 | nevcairiel | you can get a provider free one and put your verizon sim in it |
| 20:31.09 | NeoTron | verizon is not gsm |
| 20:31.16 | kd3 | ^ |
| 20:31.18 | NeoTron | so no sims, nor compatible with tmobile phone |
| 20:31.18 | nevcairiel | oh right, silly US people mix their nets, too |
| 20:32.38 | Antiarc | I want a nexus one :( |
| 20:32.41 | Antiarc | Someone give me one |
| 20:32.44 | Fisker | stop living in the US kd3 |
| 20:33.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i would have bought a nexus one.. except i got laid off on the same day they came out. >< |
| 20:33.17 | kd3 | winces |
| 20:33.18 | nevcairiel | like, yesterday? |
| 20:33.20 | Antiarc | I would have bought one...but I'm married. :V |
| 20:33.26 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: tuesday, but yes |
| 20:33.37 | nevcairiel | sorry to hear that |
| 20:33.56 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, me too. :P Perils of working for a small startup though. *shrug* money ran out for them :P |
| 20:34.15 | nevcairiel | startups are always a risk |
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| 20:51.46 | Fisker | imports kd3 |
| 20:52.26 | kd3 | what would the that? |
| 20:52.33 | kd3 | the VAT* |
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| 21:21.53 | Fisker | lol jnwhiteh |
| 21:22.00 | Fisker | Engadget is a bunch of iphone n00bs |
| 21:22.04 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/surprise-surprise-htcs-euro-spec-nexus-one-does-multitouch/ |
| 21:22.14 | Fisker | Alright, Google, we get it: you hate America. That's the only conclusion we can reach for why the company's last two Android version hero devices -- the Droid for 2.0 and the Nexus One for 2.1 -- have mysteriously opted to exclude multitouch support in the phone's in-built apps (despite retaining support in third-party downloads). |
| 21:22.33 | Fisker | i don't think it has anything to do with patents! |
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| 21:25.54 | nevcairiel | Apparently they just hate america |
| 21:26.02 | Fisker | yeah |
| 21:26.05 | Fisker | they're like terrorists |
| 21:26.17 | EqualX | Hmm... What "FrameStrata" is most commonly used for addons which sit on the screen "most of the time" such as recount or omen? Specifically, is there a strata everyone uses for these things so the user can click and bring that addon/frame to the front, or is that controlled via code in the addon? |
| 21:26.51 | nevcairiel | medium probably |
| 21:27.20 | EqualX | I chose "DIALOG" for mine, but it sits on top of EVERYTHING, even the fullscreen map -.- That's not what I wanted, but I don't want it to be default behind everything else either, as it's small and could become easily lost |
| 21:27.39 | EqualX | heh alright, I'll give that a try |
| 21:28.38 | Fisker | btw kd3 |
| 21:28.44 | Fisker | as far as i know 25% of 0 is still 0 |
| 21:28.50 | Fisker | so i don't think VAT is an issue |
| 21:30.38 | EqualX | Hah, alright, time for a tougher question, what's a decent way to track whether or not the player is currently "inside" the 5 second rule of mana regen? |
| 21:33.41 | EqualX | (it's cool, I usually can't find anyone who knows a good method for that... I know it's done by some addons, but I can't wrap my head around any of the code I've looked at so far :( ) |
| 21:34.06 | nevcairiel | the "only" way is getting a timer |
| 21:34.41 | EqualX | and registering it to the events for spellcasting and mana loss, or something like that, right? |
| 21:35.01 | EqualX | "UNIT_MANA" and "UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED" |
| 21:38.54 | EqualX | Maybe I'm doing it correctly then and just made a stupid error... but if I remember correctly, this uses a addon-global variable that is never changed... |
| 21:39.05 | EqualX | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131112 |
| 21:40.01 | alestane | I wouldn't normally check for a boolean field being explicitly set to true. |
| 21:41.34 | alestane | And I think you want In5SecRule to be an upvalue. |
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| 21:44.36 | EqualX | Both of those statements confuse me, probably because I could stand to be a better programmer -.- If not checking true, check not false? and i'll go google "upvalue" real quick so you don't have to clarify both |
| 21:46.18 | alestane | Actually, you probably want it to be a table field on the frame. |
| 21:47.06 | EqualX | oh, change the value of an item in a table associated with the frame to reflect being "in" or "out"? |
| 21:48.01 | alestane | I'd write it like this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131114 |
| 21:49.03 | alestane | Any expression in Lua can be regarded as being true or false for the purposes of loops and conditions. If an expression evaluates to false or nil, it's treated as false; otherwise it's true. |
| 21:49.29 | alestane | So you can just say "if self.MP5bool then" instead of "if self.MP5bool == true then". |
| 21:49.47 | EqualX | Ahh right, so you mean to simply cut those out |
| 21:49.55 | EqualX | that makes sense, cleaner code |
| 21:50.07 | EqualX | it should still function in the same manner though, right? |
| 21:50.21 | alestane | Your code was functional but a bit ugly. |
| 21:50.29 | EqualX | ^.^ |
| 21:50.48 | alestane | It also made some needless global references to your frame. |
| 21:51.06 | EqualX | I'm still not sure it's functional, but I'll have to load it up and check for exactly why it's failing |
| 21:51.25 | alestane | and checked a few conditions redundantly, which can be good or bad style depending on the circumstances. |
| 21:51.38 | myrkraverk | What happens when I override something that uses hash_SecureCmdLilst? apparently, it's undefined within my addon |
| 21:51.42 | EqualX | oh, such as unitname("player" |
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| 21:52.06 | alestane | myrkraverk: You can't touch hash_SecureCmdList. |
| 21:52.14 | EqualX | I figured it would have to check that so as to discriminate between my character and another |
| 21:52.33 | alestane | It's local to ChatFrame.lua to prevent just such tainting. |
| 21:52.36 | myrkraverk | alestane, I know, but when I override code that uses it, will it stop to function? |
| 21:53.07 | myrkraverk | I'm overriding a function from ChatFrame.lua |
| 21:53.28 | Fisker | it is cold here |
| 21:53.29 | alestane | EqualX: Using UnitIsUnit is actually more reliable, it takes whatever unitID or name was returned and checks to see if it is the player's actual character regardless of name. |
| 21:53.48 | alestane | myrkraverk: Still not sure what you mean. What are you overriding? |
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| 21:54.09 | EqualX | Oh i see, thanks :D |
| 21:54.28 | myrkraverk | ChatEdit_ParseText, and I simply commented out the block that uses the secure list |
| 21:54.43 | myrkraverk | (doing what I want doesn't seem possible otherwise) |
| 21:55.42 | alestane | Overriding ChatEdit_ParseText will make it impossible for the user to run secure commands from the chat line, and may completely destroy their ability to use macros as well. What are you trying to do? |
| 21:56.35 | EqualX | hmm, you changed Options.MP5bool to self.mp5bool, I would then have to declare mp5bool somewhere, right? or it just wouldn't exist (and thus be nil) until it gets changed? |
| 21:57.15 | alestane | EqualX: You never need to declare anything in lua unless you want it to be local. |
| 21:57.26 | myrkraverk | I was trying (or actually succedeing) to make a language rotator that works like /s /w and friends, that is /era will change thalassian to orcish, disappear, and you're still editing the text, just like switching /s and /p and so on |
| 21:57.32 | EqualX | hmm kay |
| 21:57.46 | myrkraverk | I tried *hard* to override some other function for it, and failed |
| 21:58.01 | alestane | myrkraverk: You shouldn't have to override ChatEdit_ParseText. |
| 21:58.10 | alestane | How do you want to be able to use this? |
| 21:58.23 | myrkraverk | alestane, just like /s /y /p /g and friends |
| 21:58.32 | myrkraverk | that is, the language changes at space |
| 21:58.36 | alestane | Okay, I think I get what you're saying. |
| 21:58.55 | Dagmar | alestane: Well, I'd still say it's a good idea to declare everything at one point or another |
| 21:59.00 | myrkraverk | /era <space> type text <enter> [and text spoken in other language] |
| 21:59.04 | Dagmar | s/idea/practice/; |
| 21:59.29 | Dagmar | If for no other reason than it gives you a definite place to add a comment describing wtf that variable is to be used for. |
| 22:00.12 | alestane | myrkraverk: You probably want to hooksecurefunc ChatEdit_ParseText instead. That means that after that function is done, your code will get a chance to look the box over and make changes. |
| 22:00.19 | Fisker | lol i trol u alestane |
| 22:00.26 | myrkraverk | Hmm, can I, set a variable = ChatEdit_ParseText, override ChatEdit_ParseText, and call variable( ... ) within it? |
| 22:01.25 | myrkraverk | alestane, ok, I'll 1) google that and 2) ask if google fails to provide |
| 22:02.10 | alestane | myrkraverk: You can do that, but don't. You'll "corrupt" ChatEdit_ParseText so that WoW doesn't trust it anymore. That's what hooksecurefunc is for. |
| 22:02.24 | myrkraverk | ok, googling now |
| 22:03.48 | alestane | !api hooksecurefunc |
| 22:03.48 | lua_bot | hooksecurefunc: Add a function to be called after execution of a secure function (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/hooksecurefunc) |
| 22:05.05 | EqualX | Heh, when you get a chance, aslestane, then to activate a "working counter" that would set self.In5SecRule to true (which I could referance for display in some other function) whenever i'm out of the 5sr, i'd just need to set self.MP5bool (probably called appropriatly by some other function) to true? and making MP5bool false would toggle it back off? |
| 22:06.05 | EqualX | ^would have every variable mentioned contained "on the table" of the manaframe |
| 22:07.32 | alestane | Explain that again. |
| 22:07.36 | EqualX | hmm |
| 22:09.58 | EqualX | so initially, the vars on ssp_manaframe are nonexistant... then i call something outside the frame and say "SSP_ManaFrame.MP5bool = true" ... Now, it starts the timer in the onupdate script, and whenever the timer is greater than 5, if SSP_ManaFrame.In5SecRule is false or nonexistant it makes it true... but whenever those two events fire (they'd both have to be true, on the case of clearcast |
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| 22:10.12 | EqualX | it resets the timer and makes In5SecRule false |
| 22:10.58 | Arrowmaster | myrkraverk: you need to hook the OnTextChanged handler for ChatFrameEditBox, take a look at the Telltarget.lua file in Chatter if you want an example |
| 22:11.13 | EqualX | and so some other function can check SSP_ManaFrame.In5SecRule to see whether or not to display the i5sr or o5sr value |
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| 22:11.49 | alestane | EqualX: So far you sound like you have some idea of what you're talking about. |
| 22:12.20 | EqualX | heh I try, whether I actually do or not... |
| 22:12.45 | EqualX | I worked on this code a while ago, so it's actually helping that I'm 're-learning' it, because I've already caught a couple errors I probably missed before |
| 22:13.20 | Kraps | my 2 new t9 pieces are hot |
| 22:13.40 | Dagmar | THey're very very detailed |
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| 22:14.05 | Dagmar | Although frankly, I'm just glad the HUnter T9 has *finally* deviated from the "metal hedgehog" theme |
| 22:14.08 | EqualX | I do have the functions for figuring out the values for regen "done" - I just needed a way to tell which regen was active... i've got another onupdate function for my main frame that will show the current regen value, once I get it working anways |
| 22:14.51 | EqualX | after this hurdle, I learn dropdown menus! ^.^ |
| 22:16.47 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/you-are-the-weakest-link/3704 |
| 22:17.30 | alestane | EqualX: What you may find useful is to, instead of setting and clearing SSP_ManaFrame.MP5bool, just show or hide SSP_ManaFrame. Hiding it will automatically suspend its OnUpdate and showing will resume it. |
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| 22:18.36 | EqualX | really? that would actually work quite a bit better then... I was worried about leaving things like that running in the background and wasting cpu, not that it's a lot of performance loss |
| 22:18.58 | myrkraverk | Arrowmaster, I've done it with the hook |
| 22:19.02 | myrkraverk | Thank you all |
| 22:19.17 | myrkraverk | oh, and just for a final test, what is an easy secure /cmd to try? |
| 22:19.33 | Arrowmaster | cast |
| 22:19.44 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.52 | myrkraverk | /cast Fade worked |
| 22:21.04 | myrkraverk | but I can't /cast PowerWord:Fortitude |
| 22:21.21 | myrkraverk | but I guess that is a spelling thing |
| 22:21.56 | alestane | That's because it's Power WOrd: Fortitude, yes. |
| 22:22.02 | myrkraverk | yes |
| 22:22.02 | alestane | Well, with a lower-case o. |
| 22:22.07 | myrkraverk | aha |
| 22:22.37 | Arrowmaster | i dont think its case sensitive, but it is whitespace sensitive |
| 22:23.24 | myrkraverk | oh |
| 22:23.37 | Kraps | "Defense rating of 798 is not optimal: 797 or 802 may be better" |
| 22:23.39 | myrkraverk | Can I hook all functions in ChatFrame.lua? |
| 22:23.41 | Kraps | wtf |
| 22:23.47 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:23.50 | alestane | Some of them are local. |
| 22:24.04 | Arrowmaster | and hooking most of them will cause taint |
| 22:24.32 | myrkraverk | well, I overrode ChatEdit_UpdateHeader, but that seems pretty tame |
| 22:25.31 | myrkraverk | if you ask why: I have now Say [Orcish]: in my editbox header |
| 22:26.32 | EqualX | hmm, ignoring everything I've asked about otherwise, global variables load AFTER frame creation, right? |
| 22:26.50 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:26.54 | Arrowmaster | are you using XML? |
| 22:26.56 | EqualX | nope |
| 22:27.09 | alestane | Which global variables are you referring to? |
| 22:27.13 | EqualX | err it's a saved variable |
| 22:27.14 | amro | Kraps: 798 is unlucky |
| 22:27.24 | EqualX | specific to the addon |
| 22:27.30 | Kraps | amro: iknowright |
| 22:27.30 | Arrowmaster | then no, everything is created in the order its executed in the addon |
| 22:27.40 | alestane | SavedVariables don't load until the event "ADDON_LOADED" has fired with your add-on name as the first arg. |
| 22:27.59 | EqualX | okay |
| 22:28.23 | EqualX | basically it looks like i was, for some silly reason, trying to reference a saved variable while creating my frame |
| 22:28.42 | EqualX | i'll just move that check somewhere else -.- |
| 22:30.00 | myrkraverk | isn't there some tool that tells me if there are tainted functions? |
| 22:30.20 | Arrowmaster | yeah /taintlog 2 |
| 22:30.40 | Arrowmaster | disable all addons except yours, do /taintlog 2 then reload the ui |
| 22:31.02 | myrkraverk | ok |
| 22:31.09 | Arrowmaster | do some stuff, then /taintlog 0 and reload then go check the logs dir in your wow dir |
| 22:31.23 | EqualX | *fixed it woo* |
| 22:31.59 | myrkraverk | erm, I get a /help message |
| 22:32.13 | myrkraverk | is it a /console command? |
| 22:32.38 | kd3 | whee |
| 22:32.41 | kd3 | cleaved for 75k |
| 22:32.43 | kd3 | go go onyxia go |
| 22:33.07 | alestane | It is actually /console taintLog 0|1|2 . |
| 22:33.09 | EqualX | hmm, with regards to my frame strata question earlier (no need to scroll up though), medium seems to have the frame in front of almost everything, but BEHIND the default UI's action buttons and little frilly eagle pictures |
| 22:33.34 | EqualX | time to try HIGH i guess, since this addon sits so nicely on widescreen in the bottom right corner... |
| 22:33.50 | myrkraverk | alestane, yeah, found that |
| 22:34.05 | myrkraverk | after loading, my taintlog is empty -- doesn't that mean everything is green? |
| 22:34.44 | alestane | Well, the taintLog will only track things actually being blocked IIRC. |
| 22:34.47 | myrkraverk | or can something appear in the taintlog as I use my addon? |
| 22:35.03 | myrkraverk | Ah |
| 22:35.36 | alestane | The taintLog is a tool for debugging "Interface action blocked because of an addon." messages. |
| 22:35.47 | myrkraverk | Ah, ok |
| 22:35.52 | myrkraverk | No such message |
| 22:36.01 | myrkraverk | "yet" |
| 22:36.56 | Fisker | you wouldn't kd3 |
| 22:36.58 | alestane | You can use the issecurevariable() function to determine whether a variable or function has been tampered with in a way that makes it insecure, and this *may* be useful...right now, are you just worried you've borked something but haven't seen any problems? |
| 22:37.30 | myrkraverk | yeah -- but I guess I'll run into problems as I use the addon |
| 22:37.59 | Arrowmaster | alestane: no taintlog 2 is the useful one that tracks all taint, taintlog 1 doesnt give any extra info than a debugstack at the time of the action blocked gives you |
| 22:38.32 | Arrowmaster | the log files arent written until you logout or reload |
| 22:38.56 | myrkraverk | ok, I'll try good old fashioned /quit then |
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| 22:39.06 | Arrowmaster | turn off the taintlog first |
| 22:39.20 | myrkraverk | oops, forgot that |
| 22:40.02 | myrkraverk | yup, plenty of taints |
| 22:40.41 | myrkraverk | what does in mean when my own global variables are tainted? |
| 22:40.41 | Arrowmaster | well it will show everything your addon does, you want to look for any tainting of the blizz code |
| 22:40.53 | alestane | There will always be taints in any meaningful add-on. The only question is whether that taint is on something that needs to be secure. |
| 22:41.25 | foxlit | alestane: /hate the combat log |
| 22:41.41 | alestane | Any global variable you assign you will be tainted. But since secure code shouldn't be reading those values, it doesn't mean anything. |
| 22:41.47 | alestane | foxlit: What about it? |
| 22:41.56 | myrkraverk | Execution tainted by Eraburis while reading ChatEdit_UpdateHeader |
| 22:41.58 | foxlit | It hooks SetItemRef and uses UIParent's OnUpdate dispatch, subsequently tainting the LFR dispatches that run on the same OnUpdate |
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| 22:43.01 | alestane | That might be the cause of some messages I've seen, not sure. |
| 22:43.41 | foxlit | I'm sure that's the cause of some messages I've seen :) |
| 22:43.57 | EqualX | Hmm... mp5 thing isn't working, time to step through the whole code body and see what's up... still only showing "out of casting" but it's likely I didn't hook everything up just yet |
| 22:44.24 | foxlit | On the other hand, I've found ChatEdit_InsertLink, which is nice. |
| 22:44.33 | myrkraverk | that the functions I've overridden (tainted) run, means everything is mostly, green, or am I wrong? |
| 22:44.55 | foxlit | [My only problem is that I now can't distinguish between spellbook and spell link shift-clicks, so I don't know whether to insert the spell name or the spell link into my pretty edit box] |
| 22:44.59 | alestane | myrkraverk: If you're not seeing any messages in your chat log, assume you're fine until you start seeing them. |
| 22:45.18 | myrkraverk | alestane, ok, thanks |
| 22:45.24 | foxlit | I'd even go as far as to say that if you're not losing functionality, you're fine. |
| 22:47.02 | myrkraverk | ;-D |
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| 23:17.36 | Fisker | holds kd3 hostage |
| 23:18.47 | kd3 | yawns |
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| 23:20.22 | Fisker | don't! |
| 23:21.49 | Thunder_Child | ...obviously some sites were a bad idea to sign up with new because of CES |
| 23:22.06 | Thunder_Child | sign up with for RSS |
| 23:22.30 | Dagmar | huh? |
| 23:23.14 | Thunder_Child | the rss feed for gizmodo right now is many many posts because of CES |
| 23:23.21 | Dagmar | Oh. |
| 23:23.32 | Dagmar | Well, it's a good thing there's generally an upper limit to how long someone's feed will be |
| 23:23.42 | Thunder_Child | i checked 5 hours ago, i come back, and i have 60 new posts |
| 23:24.00 | Dagmar | Yes, well, you're looking at Gizmodo during CES |
| 23:24.22 | Thunder_Child | i know, i totaly forgot about it when i signed up |
| 23:24.24 | Dagmar | More news happens during that time period for that field than happens during the entire financial quarter |
| 23:25.13 | Thunder_Child | well, there are a few other times, like apples keynote adress. which is some other time of the year |
| 23:25.48 | Dagmar | Yeah but once you filter that with -rumors it's a much shorter list. ;) |
| 23:26.12 | Dagmar | I do like that you can find out what apple said then in a very get-in-get-out-fast kind of way |
| 23:26.14 | Thunder_Child | eh, it's amusing enough to reaf |
| 23:26.16 | Thunder_Child | read* |
| 23:26.54 | EqualX | Alestane, you still around? Code isn't working for mp5 -.- not sure as to what's up, could I just pastey my whole codebase (it's not HUGE)? |
| 23:27.11 | EqualX | i can try to step you (or anyone else who's bored) through it |
| 23:28.21 | WobWork | pastey is always good |
| 23:28.35 | EqualX | err sec, must check something i probably missed |
| 23:30.12 | EqualX | yeah still failure -.- |
| 23:30.19 | Thunder_Child | speaking of amusing, http://gizmodo.com/5443091/video-iosafe-goes-crazyburns-drowns-and-crushes-solo-ssd-to-prove-toughness |
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| 23:33.28 | EqualX | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131119 <- My whole addon code, if anyone would be willing to help, should probably take it to private so I can step through what's happening line by line |
| 23:35.16 | Fisker | today we dine in hell Thunder_Child |
| 23:36.12 | Thunder_Child | s/today/everyday/ |
| 23:37.34 | Kraps | zomg fail gem choice on my part |
| 23:38.57 | EqualX | hmm no one? ahh well |
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| 23:39.37 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40034 not http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40059 |
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| 23:48.36 | EqualX | well, if anyone's bored enough to help, just poke me i guess |
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| 23:53.33 | foxlit | gr. |
| 23:54.04 | foxlit | Plugging my neat ANSI C code into this fancy framework is proving to be less graceful than expected. |
| 23:55.53 | foxlit | EqualX: when you say "isn't working", what exactly do you mean? |
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