| 00:05.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 00:08.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Hautian (n=chatzill@67.204.217.247) |
| 00:12.25 | Kraps | at this rate i'll never get Black Heart |
| 00:13.23 | *** join/#wowuidev augustl (n=augustl@s0034-0015.dsl.start.no) |
| 00:14.02 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 00:14.04 | ScytheBlade1 | "Slovakian Police have planted explosives on 8 unsuspecting air travelers. Seven were stopped by airport security, including one man arrested and held upon arriving at a Dublin airport. Unbelievably, one innocent traveler made it home with 90 grams of explosives, and had his flat surrounded by the police and bomb squad." |
| 00:14.22 | Lopeppeppy | sexy |
| 00:14.24 | Lopeppeppy | very sexy |
| 00:14.36 | cbreak | Hmm. Why unbelievably? |
| 00:14.46 | cbreak | Why did the police do that? |
| 00:15.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8441891.stm |
| 00:15.58 | ScytheBlade1 | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/01/05/2319256/Slovak-Police-Planted-Explosives-On-Air-Travelers?art_pos=1 |
| 00:16.46 | cbreak | fun & joy |
| 00:22.51 | *** join/#wowuidev theorbtwo (n=theorb@91.84.53.6) |
| 00:25.36 | Kraps | wow all these gutys are under 3k GS |
| 00:26.16 | Kraps | this wont end well |
| 00:28.24 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (n=Thunder_@adsl-71-140-64-87.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 00:32.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Tuller (n=Tuller@pool-72-84-246-12.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) |
| 00:41.18 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (n=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 00:41.18 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 00:41.18 | Kraps | hunter had swiftarrow gear and stam up the wazoo |
| 00:41.31 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.43 | Jerub | I did my first 3v3 arena skirmishes last night. |
| 00:41.49 | WobWork | Kraps: pvphunter? |
| 00:42.04 | Jerub | birthday party for guildmemeber in undercity turned into a fest of dueling, which turned into a raid on goldshire |
| 00:42.22 | Jerub | after the raid on goldshire petered out we went to arena. I won some matches! |
| 00:42.23 | Kraps | WobWork: "i take what i can get" hunter |
| 00:42.44 | Kraps | they were all newer toons |
| 00:42.56 | Kraps | he was the worst geared |
| 00:44.26 | Kraps | they healing couldnt beat the priestess healing fountain in toc5 without me helping |
| 00:44.52 | Kraps | s/healing // |
| 00:45.28 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (n=Thunder_@ppp-71-140-67-51.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 00:45.56 | Kraps | couldnt down the black knight |
| 00:47.14 | Jerub | Kraps: tee hee |
| 00:47.21 | Jerub | Kraps: were you party leader? |
| 00:47.28 | *** join/#wowuidev nic (n=nic@host86-162-65-100.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) |
| 00:47.35 | Kraps | yes |
| 00:47.54 | Jerub | then it was your job to tell them what they were doing wrong. |
| 00:48.15 | Jerub | I stop my groups every time i see a bear or a kitty who doesn't know what they're doing. |
| 00:49.14 | Kraps | when i tong the hunter about his gems/chants, he responded with the above quote |
| 00:50.20 | Kraps | s/tong/told |
| 00:50.38 | WobWork | did he have any enchants? |
| 00:50.58 | WobWork | and who gets gifted random gems? |
| 00:51.05 | Kraps | yeah, stam |
| 00:51.14 | WobWork | I mean, stam is useful to people |
| 00:51.37 | WobWork | I could understand if it were like.. spirit/crit or something weird |
| 00:52.07 | WobWork | eh, I'm too far removed from 'starter toon', I guess |
| 00:52.20 | WobWork | I'd prefer to go without enchants than have a pointless one |
| 00:53.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=Thunder_@adsl-71-130-216-124.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 00:54.50 | *** join/#wowuidev kaiden (n=nnscript@c-67-183-80-147.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 00:57.18 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away_ (n=Thunder_@adsl-71-130-219-55.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 01:01.05 | *** join/#wowuidev ckknight_ (n=ckknight@c-71-207-201-84.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 01:07.09 | *** part/#wowuidev augustl (n=augustl@s0034-0015.dsl.start.no) |
| 01:18.58 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 01:19.42 | kd3 | yay |
| 01:19.55 | kd3 | now to fix xinerama |
| 01:22.52 | *** join/#wowuidev theorbtwo (n=theorb@91.84.53.6) |
| 01:23.22 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 01:25.34 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 01:28.56 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (n=Thunder_@ppp-71-140-147-140.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 01:32.00 | A-KO | anyone know the next piece that drops? |
| 01:32.01 | A-KO | the next token? |
| 01:32.03 | A-KO | shoulders -> ? |
| 01:34.41 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (n=Thunder_@ppp-71-143-113-31.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 01:36.45 | Kraps | oculus cant catch a break |
| 01:36.47 | mikma | a-ko: raid instance perhaps |
| 01:37.46 | Jerub | Kraps: but everyone loves oculus! mount drop! bag of shit! gems! |
| 01:38.26 | Kraps | the problem is the instance itself, not any npcs in it |
| 01:38.43 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (n=Thunder_@adsl-71-130-219-115.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 01:38.48 | foxlit | the problem is people, really. |
| 01:38.51 | Jerub | actually, yes, the thing that shits me is being in comabt and unable to mount your fucking drake when you get agroed by flying crap |
| 01:39.22 | Jerub | one group member can wipe you by staying mounted, then going agroing some crap, then running out of the instance while you die. |
| 01:39.47 | foxlit | one group member can wipe you by pulling a bunch of crap and running out of any instance, really. |
| 01:39.47 | Jerub | or, just dying with you, which is the more often performed feat |
| 01:40.00 | WobWork | foxlit: it's just more likely to happen in occulus accidentally |
| 01:40.24 | foxlit | The trick is not to dismount until you're all safely on the platform you wanted to get to. |
| 01:40.27 | Jerub | foxlit: I try really hard to agro as much as possible as often as possible, and I very very rarely die. |
| 01:40.35 | WobWork | everyone lands and dismounts, and the last person manages to drag half the dragons in the instance to the platform |
| 01:40.58 | Jerub | i've managed to agro mobs while in combat with a boss, kill the boss, and die to random adds. |
| 01:41.00 | WobWork | "Look guise! I broiught friends!! lololol" |
| 01:41.06 | Jerub | (who actually despawn after that boss dies. |
| 01:41.13 | Jerub | but don't if they're in combat. |
| 01:41.13 | WobWork | yeah, same |
| 01:41.18 | WobWork | mostly due to healing aggro |
| 01:41.31 | Jerub | i just think it's a poorly designed instance. |
| 01:41.34 | WobWork | indeed |
| 01:41.38 | foxlit | personally, I just pull the drakes around that platform. |
| 01:42.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril|Away (n=Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:42.20 | foxlit | They do have an annoying habit of adding, but it's entirely preventable. |
| 01:42.35 | WobWork | foxlit: no no no, you're not moving FAST ENOUGH |
| 01:42.41 | WobWork | pull pull pull pull pull |
| 01:42.44 | WobWork | nownownownownow |
| 01:42.46 | foxlit | Did that! |
| 01:42.50 | WobWork | FASTER!!! |
| 01:42.52 | foxlit | pull pull pulled the adds, problem solved. |
| 01:43.13 | WobWork | Wasteoftimekillthenpcsontheplatformsfasterfasterfaster |
| 01:43.18 | WobWork | NAOW! |
| 01:43.37 | Lopeppeppy | Meow |
| 01:43.43 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (n=Thunder_@adsl-71-140-64-5.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 01:43.44 | WobWork | *mew* |
| 01:43.51 | foxlit | In my considerable number of Occ groups (it seems Occ, CoT, UP and FoS are all the instances I get for random heroics) nobody's been in that sort of frenzy |
| 01:44.15 | WobWork | yeah, I was just being speedmoron |
| 01:44.17 | foxlit | s/CoT/CoS/ perhaps |
| 01:44.30 | WobWork | ugh, HoS... |
| 01:44.42 | WobWork | that -one- pull in the entrance of the Maiden's hall |
| 01:44.45 | Lopeppeppy | I miss Dire Maul sometimes. |
| 01:44.56 | WobWork | that one can totally wipe a party so easily |
| 01:44.58 | Lopeppeppy | Following that crazy imp through the instance. |
| 01:45.07 | WobWork | with 6 mobs chain casting chain lightning everywhere |
| 01:45.53 | foxlit | http://developer.apple.cm << bastards. |
| 01:47.58 | WobWork | .cm? |
| 01:48.10 | foxlit | Indeed. |
| 01:48.38 | foxlit | Cameroon should go get a TLD. |
| 01:48.43 | foxlit | ^ new |
| 01:49.19 | mikma | ~wowalert |
| 01:49.20 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 01:50.27 | WobWork | http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-09.html |
| 01:51.44 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 01:55.58 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7p3VXZ7N0Q |
| 01:56.23 | *** join/#wowuidev yssarilz (n=yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:00.10 | Kraps | best nexus run ever |
| 02:00.42 | Jerub | i want a shortcut through the nexus tree boss gauntlet. |
| 02:00.56 | *** join/#wowuidev SqueeG (n=ZomgInte@74-32-37-11.dr03.mdtw.ny.frontiernet.net) |
| 02:02.38 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5440703/winebottler-turns-windows-programs-into-standalone-os-x-applications |
| 02:14.35 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 02:15.28 | jnwhiteh | *yawn* |
| 02:15.45 | jnwhiteh | hour delay |
| 02:16.23 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 02:19.19 | mikma | in what what |
| 02:19.47 | tem | oh god |
| 02:19.49 | tem | curtains of death |
| 02:21.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal_ (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 02:21.36 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 02:22.08 | mikma | lol, honey |
| 02:22.19 | jnwhiteh | i'm bored. |
| 02:22.20 | jnwhiteh | i need water |
| 02:22.31 | jnwhiteh | funny that I'm in the desert =) |
| 02:24.39 | mikma | watch out for scorpions |
| 02:26.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal_ (n=dashkal@99.199.177.172) |
| 02:28.15 | tem | wowzers |
| 02:28.21 | tem | Stinky is rough |
| 02:28.34 | tem | this trash pull was harder than Gluth |
| 02:31.34 | Jerub | tem: ah, you're doing the new icc bosses? |
| 02:31.42 | Jerub | I've only managed to complete 1 fight in icc so far :( |
| 02:31.47 | mikma | atleast your guild gets to test him/them |
| 02:32.02 | Jerub | guild? |
| 02:32.02 | mikma | our guiƤld is full of whining slackers |
| 02:32.04 | Jerub | pugs |
| 02:32.19 | Jerub | my guild cleared toc10 for the very first time on new years day |
| 02:32.48 | *** join/#wowuidev zz_Yssaril (n=Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:32.51 | SqueeG | Torhal ? |
| 02:33.00 | mikma | we have lots and lots of 13-16 year ols boys and girls playing |
| 02:33.06 | mikma | old* |
| 02:33.07 | kd3 | grr. it's working, but crap fps |
| 02:33.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 02:36.30 | *** join/#wowuidev zz_Yssaril (n=Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:37.54 | tem | Jerub, yes |
| 02:38.08 | tem | Festergut is.. strange |
| 02:38.23 | tem | also, spores + lag = rapid raid death |
| 02:39.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 02:40.22 | mikma | offtopic |
| 02:40.36 | mikma | i love when people blame "lag" as the reason they fucked up |
| 02:41.04 | tem | well |
| 02:41.09 | tem | the entire range stopped moving |
| 02:41.11 | tem | which was cool |
| 02:41.13 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (n=Thunder_@ppp-71-143-114-64.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 02:42.16 | mikma | yeah but i am not talking about your raid temmy |
| 02:42.45 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away_ (n=Thunder_@ppp-71-143-114-64.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 02:42.47 | mikma | i'm talking about people failing horribly at something easy and saying "lag" did it |
| 02:43.27 | mikma | i should write some sort of wow-epenis addon |
| 02:43.48 | mikma | something that takes count couple of things and calculates your score |
| 02:44.09 | mikma | 1) fps, 2) ping, 3) gearscore |
| 02:44.41 | mikma | then you can just paste "my eWoW is this long: xxx" |
| 02:45.16 | Jerub | mikma: yeah, i know what you mean. |
| 02:45.34 | Jerub | I've been known to blame 'lag' when i really mean, 'interesting part of a tv show' in heroics. |
| 02:45.51 | mikma | jerub: exactly! |
| 02:46.16 | mikma | i have almost "lagged" couple of times because of good tv show |
| 02:46.51 | Jerub | it's just easier to say, "lag" rather than, "yes, I'm pulling 3kdps as a tank inn your heroic while watching dr who" |
| 02:46.54 | mikma | i only wish you could get that information from others |
| 02:46.57 | Jerub | s/inn/in/ |
| 02:47.22 | mikma | broadcasting fps + ping + when was the last action, keyboard / mouse |
| 02:47.57 | Jerub | I stilldon't have a GS mod. |
| 02:50.21 | mikma | hmm |
| 02:50.54 | mikma | Slackerbuster, helping you to find out who's lying about his "lag" |
| 02:54.52 | kd3 | wtf: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8441891.stm |
| 02:55.14 | Jerub | if i had that addon, it would have lagspikes built in |
| 02:55.25 | Jerub | on a CD probably, so i can put it in my rotation ;) |
| 02:58.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=Thunder_@ppp-71-140-144-227.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 03:00.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 03:03.26 | tem | festergut down yays |
| 03:03.54 | tem | oh god lol |
| 03:04.12 | tem | WARNING: Festergut's Acidic Blood is a single drop and not tradable |
| 03:04.57 | Jerub | oh, you're in 25man? |
| 03:05.01 | kd3 | figured as much |
| 03:05.10 | mikma | so who gets the acidic blood? |
| 03:05.14 | mikma | first to loot? |
| 03:05.25 | mikma | rollnwinner? |
| 03:06.07 | Jerub | it's a quest object, does it drop for anyone on the quest? |
| 03:06.29 | kd3 | quest items don't have to be group loot |
| 03:06.44 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Festergut%27s_Acidic_Blood&diff=2162965&oldid=2109059 |
| 03:07.01 | Duman | heh |
| 03:07.29 | Dagmar | Wow |
| 03:07.41 | Dagmar | That's definitely going to induce trailer park drama |
| 03:08.00 | Jerub | Dagmar: meh, you can't complete the quest chain until the last icc stage opens |
| 03:08.03 | Jerub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:The_Lich_King%27s_Last_Stand |
| 03:08.26 | Jerub | and has progress stages like: http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:A_Feast_of_Souls |
| 03:08.27 | Dagmar | Jerub: At which point there will be drama |
| 03:08.59 | Jerub | Dagmar: well, hopefully everyone (warriors, dks, paladins) will have the first stage completed well before they're going to be able to make much progress. |
| 03:09.11 | Dagmar | The odds of someone winning that roll out of 25 people three times, when they can only kill him once a week? |
| 03:09.27 | Jerub | Dagmar: not out of 25 |
| 03:09.31 | Jerub | out of 6-7 max |
| 03:09.39 | kd3 | guilds will probably treat the second drop like the second drop of thunderfury's bindings |
| 03:09.40 | Jerub | do you really have 25 plate wearers? |
| 03:09.47 | kd3 | whoever got the first drop will get the second automagically |
| 03:10.03 | Jerub | kd3: why? |
| 03:10.19 | kd3 | it's on the quest chain for a legendary? why not? |
| 03:10.30 | Jerub | kd3: uh, but you can only use 1. |
| 03:10.32 | Dagmar | Because of drama |
| 03:11.03 | Jerub | and after you've handed in the quest and gotten Shadow's Edge, you can't even get the item again. |
| 03:11.22 | kd3 | so... 7 people on the chain before the first kill. 1 drops. all 7 roll. whoever wins festergut's blood will also win rotface's blood |
| 03:11.30 | kd3 | next week, 6 on the chain... |
| 03:11.37 | Jerub | bear in mind that if it dropped 1 per person, then defeating festergut would result in 6-7 ilvl264 swords |
| 03:11.54 | Jerub | oh, you need both?> |
| 03:11.54 | Dagmar | kd3: This is assuming a 25-man zerging guild can keep the same people from week to week |
| 03:12.03 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:The_Sacred_and_the_Corrupt |
| 03:12.07 | Dagmar | People pugging it, or working with other guilds? oi vey |
| 03:12.08 | Jerub | right, missed that |
| 03:12.16 | Jerub | HOLY SHIT 25 PRIMODIAL SARONITE |
| 03:12.27 | kd3 | and no, not a typo |
| 03:12.39 | Dagmar | Jerub: Yeah this is a bit why I'm not saying "Wait, this whole set of raids only gives tanks weapons? |
| 03:12.43 | tem | this one is freely lootable by anyone with the quest |
| 03:12.49 | tem | and it's one per boss |
| 03:12.54 | tem | we even had it on master looter |
| 03:13.02 | kd3 | gm ticket ahoy? |
| 03:13.02 | Jerub | tem: that super sucks. |
| 03:13.05 | Jerub | tem: but it doesn't matter really. |
| 03:13.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Cruciformer (n=jkj@kahluamod.com) |
| 03:13.13 | tem | Jerub, uh |
| 03:13.15 | Cruciformer | 'lo all |
| 03:13.15 | tem | it does matter |
| 03:13.19 | Jerub | you'll all have the quest items week sbefore you can farm the saronite. |
| 03:13.25 | tem | we'd have a shadow's edge in a few minutes otherwise |
| 03:13.29 | tem | but now we have to wait for the petition |
| 03:13.32 | Dagmar | I'm going to assume they're going to add things for other classes |
| 03:13.40 | kd3 | ...no |
| 03:13.41 | Jerub | tem: you have 25 saronite laying around? |
| 03:13.56 | tem | we do |
| 03:13.59 | tem | I don't know how |
| 03:14.01 | tem | but we do |
| 03:14.05 | Jerub | blinks. |
| 03:14.06 | Jerub | haxx |
| 03:14.14 | A-KO | they should have made Festergut yell "heeey yooou guuuys" when you pull him |
| 03:14.21 | A-KO | that would have been win |
| 03:14.35 | Jerub | my realm sells them for around 2500g, so that's 62k gold for a single weapon. |
| 03:14.52 | Jerub | or 575 badges worth, which is more than enough for a full set of T10 |
| 03:15.11 | Jerub | a single ilvl 264 item. |
| 03:15.41 | Gnarfoz | how is 62k a problem |
| 03:15.47 | kd3 | ^ |
| 03:15.52 | Jerub | okay, well, i'm not that rich. |
| 03:15.53 | Gnarfoz | that's about as much as I paid for my 25 all in all |
| 03:16.04 | Jerub | wow. |
| 03:16.10 | Jerub | i need to spend more time AH grinding clearly. |
| 03:16.16 | Dagmar | That would because you're a @#$@@ |
| 03:16.19 | Jerub | puts his ATM recipt showing 300g away. |
| 03:16.48 | Dagmar | "How is fifty-two million dollars a problem?" |
| 03:17.09 | Gnarfoz | I'm not a banker. :P |
| 03:17.28 | Dagmar | Nor do you have realistic expectations about gold in WoW |
| 03:19.38 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 03:20.09 | Dagmar | 62,000 gold is a ludicrous amount of money for the vast majority of players |
| 03:20.17 | Gnarfoz | how is 62k a problem for a serious raider who plans to and has the support necessary to get a Shadowmourne made, then |
| 03:20.21 | Thunder_Child | not really |
| 03:20.46 | Thunder_Child | it's unrealistic if you dont go out of your way to make money |
| 03:21.08 | Gnarfoz | and Shadowmourne (or Shadow's Edge, for that matter) is totally NOT for the vast majority of players. Both (and one of them even more so) are directly out of the realm of "you're never going to own one". |
| 03:21.09 | Dagmar | Yeah but then you're not really playing the game anymore, you're playing a market |
| 03:21.27 | Dagmar | Looks like that sword is just going to be a sure sign of someone with no life for awhile |
| 03:21.36 | Gnarfoz | it's not even a sword, damn moron |
| 03:21.36 | Gnarfoz | >_< |
| 03:21.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal_ (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 03:21.40 | Gnarfoz | sleep times. |
| 03:22.00 | Gnarfoz | (sorry, just tired. not a moron. ;)) |
| 03:22.09 | Thunder_Child | not really. farm ore -> make gems -> use acution addon to suggest best price, wait for money |
| 03:22.21 | Dagmar | That's working a market |
| 03:22.26 | kd3 | whee. 100% xorg, 100% mplayer |
| 03:22.31 | kd3 | must fix whatever's doing this |
| 03:22.36 | Gnarfoz | 100% linux |
| 03:22.45 | Dagmar | kd3: Probably vdpau fun |
| 03:22.52 | Thunder_Child | or any of the other various items |
| 03:23.07 | kd3 | meh, I can't even get mplayer to use vdpau |
| 03:23.10 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: i can see a big problem with it |
| 03:23.36 | Dagmar | I can get that money _faster_ by delivering pizzas on the side for two weeks and dealing with goldsellers |
| 03:23.37 | kd3 | had to resort to opengl+framedrop just to get it to display |
| 03:24.15 | cbreak | kd3: vdpau is quite limited in scope |
| 03:24.22 | cbreak | only works with certain nvidia drivers |
| 03:24.33 | Dagmar | only works with nVidia's drivers. |
| 03:24.44 | cbreak | I think on linux, xv is still the standard output |
| 03:24.51 | cbreak | gl and gl2 should also work |
| 03:24.55 | Dagmar | Every even recent drivers supports it |
| 03:25.28 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: thats a problem how? |
| 03:25.45 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: I see it driving people to the goldsellers, for one thing |
| 03:26.08 | Gnarfoz | unrealistic, most of them will just stay poor |
| 03:26.21 | kd3 | vdpau worked just fine before I hooked up my second vidcard |
| 03:26.26 | kd3 | <3 the deint |
| 03:26.29 | Gnarfoz | (or do dailies, which is both obvious and non-market-play-y) |
| 03:26.42 | kd3 | now it's just a matter of trying to figure out how to unbreak things in my new setup |
| 03:27.07 | Dagmar | That many dailies will make people turn into forum trolls |
| 03:27.29 | *** join/#wowuidev digmouse (n=chatzill@124.205.157.50) |
| 03:28.03 | Gnarfoz | they're already forum trolls anyway! :O |
| 03:28.20 | Gnarfoz | or maybe, just a small percentage of them will become IRC trolls, heh |
| 03:28.35 | cbreak | kd3: I am guessing here, but do you use some compisiting WM? |
| 03:28.46 | cbreak | or maybe vdpau only works on one screen |
| 03:28.51 | digmouse | ./cast trolling |
| 03:28.56 | cbreak | or on one graphics card |
| 03:28.58 | cbreak | not the other |
| 03:29.16 | Gnarfoz | waits for miraculous hotfix for both Bloods now being party loot |
| 03:29.35 | kd3 | xfwm4 with option "composite" "no". maybe, but both cards can support it if they're on their own |
| 03:31.01 | Jerub | gold sellers :( |
| 03:31.26 | Jerub | actually, a guildmate got his account hacked, and when he restored access to it, he had bags full of saronite and titanium ore. |
| 03:31.41 | Jerub | like, 5 22 slotters, and all full. |
| 03:31.55 | Jerub | the gms restored his gear but didn't take away his ore |
| 03:32.17 | Jerub | ... and let him keep the dream shards that were the bits of his gear he disenchanted too |
| 03:35.07 | tem | yeah I don't like tanking oozes |
| 03:35.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:35.20 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 03:36.30 | kd3 | full setup, idling: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/bac2c0fd6a267841841389f02fefca03.jpg |
| 03:38.01 | digmouse | best profession combination to get 6000G before lvl77? |
| 03:38.49 | *** join/#wowuidev zz_Yssaril (n=Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:39.31 | Thunder_Child | if you dont care about anything else, gather/gather |
| 03:42.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Lukian (n=lukian@203.123.90.21) |
| 03:45.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraps (n=chatzill@ool-44c20717.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 03:46.25 | tem | bleaugh |
| 03:46.32 | tem | rotface is lame |
| 03:47.00 | tem | the ooze mechanic is not fun at all |
| 03:49.34 | Jerub | digmouse: i'm guessing skinning/mining or herbing/mining |
| 03:49.38 | Kraps | nerf incoming |
| 03:50.07 | Jerub | tem: can i armory your MT? I'm curious about gear requirements. |
| 03:50.40 | digmouse | Jerub: I prefer skinning/mining too, since I can swap to leatherworking or JC after hits 80 and got birds |
| 03:51.20 | Jerub | wait, you don't have birds already? |
| 03:51.32 | Jerub | man, AH more. |
| 03:54.10 | tem | Jerub, I tanked Festergut without too much trouble |
| 03:54.13 | tem | Doloros of Dragonmaw |
| 03:54.35 | tem | you have to be careful with cooldowns |
| 03:56.03 | Jerub | oh interesting. |
| 03:57.34 | tem | the second time he inhales he starts to hit VERY hard |
| 03:57.40 | tem | ~30k |
| 03:57.53 | Jerub | ow ow ow |
| 03:57.56 | tem | and at 3 inhales, it's 45k per swing |
| 03:58.00 | tem | at +90% attack speed |
| 03:58.08 | tem | just chain cooldowns |
| 03:58.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (n=EAndre@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 03:58.57 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 03:59.05 | Jerub | tem: man, i don't think a bear has that many cd's... |
| 03:59.22 | Jerub | i mean, barkskin, SI. |
| 03:59.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=Thunder_@ppp-71-140-100-242.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 04:00.01 | Jerub | and i guess my trinkets, but i have those on pop-as-soon-as-they're-off-cd. |
| 04:00.24 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 04:03.25 | tem | rotface down |
| 04:03.30 | Cide | congrats :) |
| 04:04.34 | tem | I'm positive that fight will be nerfed |
| 04:05.22 | tem | Trash mobs via traps are... |
| 04:06.02 | tem | also, Jerub, the gear on my armory may be wrong |
| 04:06.12 | tem | I got a new hat since the last time I logged |
| 04:06.51 | *** join/#wowuidev batrick (n=batrick@batbytes.com) |
| 04:08.22 | tem | oh boo |
| 04:08.29 | tem | we're not going to do putricide tonight |
| 04:09.38 | tem | breaking into 10 mans to wait out the lag |
| 04:09.40 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (n=Thunder_@ppp-71-140-145-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 04:09.40 | *** join/#wowuidev batrick (n=batrick@batbytes.com) |
| 04:09.48 | tem | and get some pulls at putricide |
| 04:10.00 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away_ (n=Thunder_@ppp-71-140-145-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 04:10.09 | kd3 | trash spawned by traps give kd3 heart attacks |
| 04:16.01 | jnwhiteh | okay, plane boarding |
| 04:16.22 | Jerub | kd3: reminds me of that level in prince of persia where the skeleton stands up and fihgts you. |
| 04:16.28 | Jerub | scared the living crap out of me when i was 7. |
| 04:16.36 | jnwhiteh | bbin... tomorrow. |
| 04:18.43 | Jerub | ... is this the wrong crowd, or do people actually know what i'm talking about? |
| 04:19.48 | cog|away | right crowd wrong time i spose? |
| 04:19.58 | *** join/#wowuidev zz_Yssaril (n=Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:19.58 | Jerub | meh |
| 04:20.21 | cog|away | i fondly recall similar moments in games like that |
| 04:21.14 | *** join/#wowuidev zz_Yssaril (n=Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:21.30 | kd3 | say, the screamers in OoT |
| 04:21.35 | Jerub | it was one of those things. the skeletons on the floor were just scenery. |
| 04:21.37 | kd3 | winces just thinking about it |
| 04:21.47 | Jerub | and then one stands up, has no health bar, and starts killing you. |
| 04:23.37 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 04:24.39 | *** join/#wowuidev SNiLD (i=snild@a91-153-155-143.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 04:25.48 | WobWork | fondly recalls System Shock 2 |
| 04:27.36 | Jerub | WobWork: i got scared in system shock 1 far too many times and stopped playing it |
| 04:27.41 | Jerub | i was a bit young for the plot too |
| 04:27.47 | Jerub | however, the modern one, bioshock was a amzing. |
| 04:27.56 | Jerub | bioshock did plot right |
| 04:28.21 | Jerub | the voiceovers were awesome and you really felt part of the action, not in a bla bla bla just kill everyone in straholme already arthas moment. |
| 04:29.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:29.55 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 04:31.59 | kd3 | whee. at least opengl still works |
| 04:32.05 | kd3 | looks at a non-broken wow login screen |
| 04:35.08 | Jerub | kd3: I wish i ddin't have an intel graphics card. |
| 04:36.49 | batrick | kd3 have ever tried running wow in a windows vm? |
| 04:36.58 | batrick | (on linux) |
| 04:37.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (n=Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:48.04 | *** join/#wowuidev DJJeff (n=crazyjef@d154-20-199-197.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 04:48.39 | DJJeff | can anyone describe this bug? |
| 04:48.40 | DJJeff | http://i48.tinypic.com/2dtdox3.jpg |
| 04:48.47 | *** join/#wowuidev augustl (n=augustl@s0034-0015.dsl.start.no) |
| 04:48.47 | DJJeff | I lol'ed so hard |
| 04:49.06 | DJJeff | look at the vehicle grey and my water elemental grey |
| 04:49.16 | *** join/#wowuidev DWSR (n=doingwha@24.114.252.244) |
| 04:49.26 | augustl | adding a small timeout on CHAT_MSG_GUILD_ACHIEVEMENT to truncate multiple messages when a guild raid gets an achievement - yay or nay? |
| 04:49.27 | DWSR | Anyone here killed Rotface yet? |
| 04:49.39 | DWSR | yay |
| 04:50.08 | augustl | how long could that timeout be? I'm thinking this could soon become network lag hell.. |
| 04:50.09 | DJJeff | next time this bug happens is there a log I can check? |
| 04:51.13 | Dagmar | augustl: The achievement spam is hilarious. I wouldn't throttle it |
| 04:51.27 | augustl | =P |
| 04:51.32 | Iriel | augustl: you mean as an AddOn? |
| 04:51.37 | augustl | Iriel: yeah |
| 04:51.53 | Iriel | augustl: I can see some people really liking that, Probably based on folks comfort with scrollback. I rather enjoy the spam |
| 04:52.36 | augustl | come to think of it, I enjoy the spam as well :) |
| 04:53.05 | DJJeff | my guild lols when I congradulate them when they get an Achievement.. immagine if my whole guild got the same one at once |
| 04:54.05 | Jerub | DJJeff: often happens. first clear of an instance is 10-25 achiemveents scrolling |
| 04:54.14 | DJJeff | nice |
| 04:54.22 | Shadowed | augustl: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11694-DamnAchievementSpam.html :p |
| 04:54.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Sesshu| (n=Sesshu@ip-79-20.travedsl.de) |
| 04:55.03 | augustl | Shadowed: tnx! |
| 04:55.16 | Dagmar | That's a much better solution |
| 04:55.20 | DJJeff | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/concession-stand.aspx is great for mages food/water if im group with low level people it should give them the proper food/water for their level |
| 04:55.21 | DJJeff | right |
| 04:56.02 | DJJeff | cause im 79 making mana pies but someone thats 50 cant use pie |
| 04:56.10 | augustl | git log >> changelog.txt, neat :) |
| 04:56.22 | DJJeff | they need rank 4 water for example |
| 04:56.23 | DJJeff | lol |
| 04:57.01 | Dagmar | Tell them to learn to waggle their fingers better and make their own snacks |
| 04:57.14 | DJJeff | hahahahaha |
| 04:57.17 | DJJeff | right |
| 04:57.25 | DJJeff | but isn't that the idea about being a mage |
| 04:57.30 | DJJeff | is that I can conjure it |
| 04:57.32 | DJJeff | for free |
| 04:57.33 | Dagmar | What I need is to sit down and scribble up a macro to just make Kungaloosh |
| 04:57.44 | Dagmar | Then I could just get rid of the cooking button. :) |
| 04:57.55 | DJJeff | lol |
| 04:58.18 | DJJeff | you didn't lol at this though....... http://i48.tinypic.com/2dtdox3.jpg |
| 04:58.50 | DJJeff | after jumping out of my vehicle my UI messes up |
| 04:59.03 | Dagmar | That backdrop behind the group's unit frames... That's blizzards? |
| 04:59.18 | augustl | yes, it's in interface options |
| 04:59.21 | DJJeff | and sometimes when im done with a random instance the UI doesn't come back at all |
| 04:59.32 | Dagmar | Ah... I'll have to report something about to ckk |
| 04:59.54 | Dagmar | It's been appearing occasionally on my screen, getting around Pitbull4 |
| 05:00.10 | Dagmar | I'm just going to have to watch more carefully to see under what conditions it's appearing |
| 05:00.22 | tem | something is borken in a ckk addon? |
| 05:00.23 | tem | shocking |
| 05:00.37 | DJJeff | broken* |
| 05:00.45 | DJJeff | your spelling is shocking |
| 05:00.51 | tem | tanking ICC10 |
| 05:00.56 | tem | spelling is irrelevant |
| 05:00.56 | Dagmar | Well, aside from that PitBull4 hasn't ever given me any grief, excepting when you've got config mode enabled and *join* a group it goes a little nuts |
| 05:01.02 | tem | for now anyway |
| 05:01.07 | tem | I'm going to be pedantic about it later |
| 05:01.08 | DJJeff | spelling is important when making addons |
| 05:01.32 | DJJeff | I just lol'ed then you spelled broken wrong |
| 05:02.01 | Dagmar | "No player named 'tenn' found. Unable to mail copious amounts of gold." |
| 05:02.10 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 05:02.13 | DJJeff | hahahaha |
| 05:02.14 | DJJeff | nice |
| 05:02.42 | augustl | I'm getting "No player named 'xxx' found" when partying with ppls from foreign server from ShadowUF as well. |
| 05:02.48 | DJJeff | "No player named 'Alishar-Thorium Brotherhood' found. Unable to mail 9999999999999gold" |
| 05:03.09 | Dagmar | augustl: I've been seeing that as well |
| 05:03.19 | Dagmar | I'm just assuming one of my addons is /whoing people |
| 05:03.34 | DJJeff | I see that too when I random dungeon |
| 05:03.36 | WobWork | http://www.zazzle.com/ironicsans/gifts?cg=196275230271327298 |
| 05:03.41 | DJJeff | I am guess its WIM ADDON |
| 05:03.43 | DJJeff | that does it |
| 05:03.51 | Shadowed | huh? |
| 05:03.54 | DJJeff | do you have WIM installed? |
| 05:04.00 | Shadowed | SUF doesn't do any sort of whisper comm |
| 05:04.00 | DJJeff | augustl |
| 05:04.02 | Shadowed | nor does LHC |
| 05:04.29 | augustl | DJJeff: WIM? No |
| 05:04.35 | DJJeff | oh ok |
| 05:04.35 | augustl | wait, what's WIM? :) |
| 05:04.36 | Dagmar | Might be gearscore |
| 05:04.49 | TC-Away_ | wow instan messiging |
| 05:04.50 | Dagmar | augustl: WIM's an addon that acts like a wrapper for tells |
| 05:04.52 | TC-Away_ | instant* |
| 05:05.01 | Dagmar | Puts them into their own windows, keeps them out of your way during combat, etc etc |
| 05:05.03 | DJJeff | gearscore just got an ALPHA update |
| 05:05.20 | DJJeff | http://www.wimaddon.com/ |
| 05:05.37 | DJJeff | http://www.wimaddon.com/wiki/WIM:Screenshots |
| 05:05.43 | augustl | I'm toying with a chat addon myself, actually |
| 05:05.45 | Dagmar | WIM is _very_ useful |
| 05:05.50 | augustl | going more in the direction of IRC than IM, though |
| 05:05.52 | Dagmar | ...even if it's a little bit overanimated |
| 05:06.01 | DJJeff | lol......... |
| 05:06.02 | augustl | everything in one list is so 1995 :O |
| 05:06.07 | DJJeff | WoW Chat to IRC |
| 05:06.09 | DJJeff | would be |
| 05:06.09 | Thunder_Child | wim is a bit clunky for my tastes |
| 05:06.12 | DJJeff | hilarious |
| 05:06.23 | Dagmar | there's a reason for that, and you'd know it if you were using IRC in 1995. |
| 05:06.38 | augustl | DJJeff: UI wise, not the protocol ;) |
| 05:06.53 | tem | they must have fixed I'm on a Boat |
| 05:06.55 | DJJeff | I wasn't using irc in 1995 but I do use an IRCdaemon |
| 05:06.58 | tem | it finally worked for us this week |
| 05:06.59 | DJJeff | UnrealIRCd |
| 05:07.05 | DJJeff | + Anope :) |
| 05:07.06 | Dagmar | One window is _far_ preferable to (number of clonebots)x(number of nickchanges)x(seconds elapsed) |
| 05:07.07 | WobWork | I was going to redo HeyFu |
| 05:07.11 | WobWork | but I need a good name |
| 05:07.12 | *** join/#wowuidev frontendloader (n=queue@207-118-175-232.dyn.centurytel.net) |
| 05:07.33 | augustl | I like modern IRC clients, with one "tab" per channel and privmsg |
| 05:07.38 | DJJeff | screenshot of HeyFu ? |
| 05:08.00 | DJJeff | WIM is nice for the history viewer |
| 05:08.06 | DJJeff | and export to html :) |
| 05:08.06 | Dagmar | I was the op of #mirc one night from that |
| 05:08.14 | augustl | I'd also like to make custom channels easier to manage |
| 05:08.44 | augustl | with an invite-ish feature via addon communication |
| 05:08.55 | DJJeff | FuBar_ExpFu ..... wont post to my Guildchannel |
| 05:08.56 | WobWork | =( |
| 05:08.59 | augustl | but who cares.. ;) |
| 05:08.59 | DJJeff | only to my party |
| 05:09.00 | WobWork | I used to have screenshots |
| 05:09.02 | Arrowmaster | custom channels already have an invite feature |
| 05:09.06 | WobWork | but then it got wiped from wowi |
| 05:09.20 | DWSR | Can you pick up T10 armor pieces from other spots besides inside ICC? |
| 05:09.30 | A-KO | you can buy the 251 gear with enough badges |
| 05:09.31 | augustl | Arrowmaster: cool, I just need to add a GUI on top of it then :) |
| 05:09.33 | Jerub | DWSR: probably from voa |
| 05:09.45 | Jerub | but new boss isn't out yet (afaik) |
| 05:09.46 | DWSR | A-KO: Yeah, that's what I mean. I want to know if I can buy it anywhere else. |
| 05:09.48 | WobWork | http://old.wowace.com/wiki/FuBar_HeyFu |
| 05:10.19 | A-KO | DWSR: Everyone saves up badges for the 251 items--everyone, 25 man raiders alike, we all start out with it. As of right now, badges are the only way to start the "chain" of gear.... |
| 05:10.28 | A-KO | oh |
| 05:10.31 | A-KO | buy it like physically |
| 05:10.34 | A-KO | vendors in Dal sell them |
| 05:10.39 | DWSR | where? |
| 05:10.42 | Jerub | A-KO: uh, what? |
| 05:10.45 | Thunder_Child | heh, i still use heyfu |
| 05:10.47 | A-KO | wherever your armor vendor is |
| 05:10.48 | augustl | isn't history tracking in a saved variable a bit "dangerous"? Would need some kind of rotation imo, so that you don't have 100 mb of chat logs loading all the time =P |
| 05:10.54 | Jerub | A-KO: oh really? |
| 05:10.57 | A-KO | yes |
| 05:11.01 | Jerub | A-KO: sweet |
| 05:11.04 | Dagmar | augustl: It has limits set |
| 05:11.08 | WobWork | augustl: it only saved a weeks worth |
| 05:11.09 | Jerub | i thought it was like toc where you have to go to the instance |
| 05:11.17 | augustl | kk |
| 05:11.20 | WobWork | and you could purge |
| 05:11.30 | WobWork | by time period |
| 05:11.38 | augustl | is it possible to have a saved variable that is loaded on demand? |
| 05:12.36 | augustl | that wouldn't really work anyways.. you would have to load it at some time regardless. |
| 05:13.30 | WobWork | Admittedly I played with the idea of a LoD archiving module for it |
| 05:13.42 | WobWork | so you could save specific conversations |
| 05:13.49 | WobWork | but in the end, it wasn't worth it |
| 05:14.17 | augustl | you would have to load it in order to save stuff to it anyways |
| 05:14.21 | WobWork | yeah |
| 05:14.32 | WobWork | I was going to compress the data |
| 05:14.34 | WobWork | somewhat |
| 05:14.43 | WobWork | but you still had the overhead there |
| 05:14.58 | WobWork | and it was a manual operation, which noone would bother with |
| 05:15.15 | WobWork | (cause automating it would defeat the purpose of a LoD) |
| 05:15.23 | augustl | apropos compression. Is there some kind of background worker or threading support in WoW's lua runtime? |
| 05:15.31 | augustl | in order to not spend too much time in the UI thread |
| 05:15.35 | DWSR | no. |
| 05:15.37 | DWSR | not afaik |
| 05:15.37 | augustl | kk |
| 05:15.39 | WobWork | nyet |
| 05:15.54 | WobWork | closest to that idea is coroutines |
| 05:16.05 | WobWork | which isn't the same |
| 05:17.04 | augustl | i see |
| 05:17.24 | DJJeff | what addon is this.........? |
| 05:17.25 | DJJeff | \Interface\AddOns\BonusScanner |
| 05:18.01 | WobWork | one that scans your bonus? |
| 05:18.04 | augustl | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7919-BonusScannerContinued.html ? :) |
| 05:18.09 | DJJeff | ya |
| 05:18.22 | DJJeff | which addon installed it |
| 05:18.27 | WobWork | You? |
| 05:18.30 | DJJeff | cause I sure didn't |
| 05:18.41 | augustl | addons can't install addons :O |
| 05:18.41 | DJJeff | its not showing up in Curse |
| 05:18.47 | WobWork | it could be embedded |
| 05:18.57 | WobWork | by a tooltip addon or something |
| 05:19.00 | DJJeff | unless its a prereq for annother addon |
| 05:19.02 | WobWork | that wanted the bonus stuff |
| 05:19.20 | WobWork | do a grep for it |
| 05:19.24 | DJJeff | GearScore might have |
| 05:19.26 | augustl | equips his riot shield |
| 05:19.32 | augustl | destroy the objectives! |
| 05:19.39 | DJJeff | a grep ? |
| 05:19.43 | DJJeff | I am using windows xp |
| 05:19.47 | DJJeff | not linux |
| 05:19.47 | tem | lol curtains of doom perform weridly with clos and AMS |
| 05:19.48 | Arrowmaster | it used to be used by a titan panel plugin, thats the last time ive seen bonusscanner used |
| 05:20.53 | DJJeff | I am gonna uninstall GearScore it will probley go away |
| 05:21.05 | Arrowmaster | no it will go away when you delete it |
| 05:21.32 | Arrowmaster | uninstalling another addon wont remove it |
| 05:21.32 | DJJeff | I dont wanna delete it if annother addon needs it |
| 05:21.36 | DJJeff | lol |
| 05:22.01 | *** join/#wowuidev tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 05:22.01 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 05:22.18 | DJJeff | AhA |
| 05:22.20 | DJJeff | I was right |
| 05:22.23 | DJJeff | bing |
| 05:22.29 | Dagmar | From time to time it's not a bad idea to just nuke that whole directory to get rid of the ones you've not used in a dog's age |
| 05:22.30 | DJJeff | uninstalled GearScore |
| 05:22.35 | DJJeff | folder went away |
| 05:22.53 | Arrowmaster | that wasnt in gearscore last time i looked at it |
| 05:23.02 | DJJeff | Curse Client does everything for me |
| 05:23.06 | DJJeff | I pay $ for Curse |
| 05:23.10 | DJJeff | I am gonna use it |
| 05:23.18 | Arrowmaster | do i need to kick that guys ass again for including other addons in his |
| 05:23.31 | DJJeff | My GearScore updates was set to Alpha |
| 05:23.35 | DJJeff | not Release |
| 05:23.46 | DJJeff | so thats probley why |
| 05:23.49 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:24.23 | Arrowmaster | oh he actually did upload an alpha |
| 05:24.28 | Dagmar | It would be the wrong thing to do |
| 05:24.31 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 05:24.35 | DJJeff | I am not gonna lie to you |
| 05:24.36 | Arrowmaster | first one ever |
| 05:24.36 | DJJeff | lol |
| 05:25.02 | DJJeff | it showed up after I updated GearScore |
| 05:25.03 | *** join/#wowuidev yleaf (n=chatzill@116.235.122.219) |
| 05:25.15 | DJJeff | so I knew it was related |
| 05:25.24 | Arrowmaster | oh wait it was healbots author i had to slap for embedding other addons |
| 05:28.09 | tem | oh my |
| 05:29.12 | DJJeff | w |
| 05:29.13 | DJJeff | t |
| 05:29.13 | DJJeff | f |
| 05:29.18 | DJJeff | ok now im pissed |
| 05:29.30 | DJJeff | after that whole update 1/2 my addons are not showing up |
| 05:29.33 | DJJeff | in FuBar |
| 05:29.49 | DJJeff | all over some stupid GearScore update |
| 05:30.29 | Jerub | sounds like you should just remove GS |
| 05:30.34 | DJJeff | ya |
| 05:30.36 | DJJeff | I just did |
| 05:30.45 | DJJeff | (restarting WoW) |
| 05:30.54 | DJJeff | Aha...... and now they work |
| 05:30.58 | DJJeff | what a surprize |
| 05:31.10 | Jerub | i recommend not using gearscore. |
| 05:31.25 | DJJeff | if its gonna break 1/2 my addons |
| 05:31.30 | DJJeff | never! |
| 05:31.38 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMucmRlPZK0 |
| 05:31.42 | DJJeff | unless I go back to stable |
| 05:32.00 | Jerub | 15:31 < Jerub> i recommend not using gearscore. |
| 05:32.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (n=Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:32.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Lonny` (n=anonymou@bzq-84-109-210-254.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 05:33.02 | DJJeff | hahahaha |
| 05:33.06 | DJJeff | lol @ youtube vid |
| 05:33.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Lonny` (n=anonymou@bzq-84-109-210-254.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 05:33.11 | DJJeff | is that real? |
| 05:33.13 | DJJeff | or a joke |
| 05:33.17 | Kraps | gearscore helps me pick who im putting vigilance om |
| 05:33.28 | Kraps | om = on |
| 05:33.32 | DJJeff | gearscore helped me what to need/greed on |
| 05:33.49 | DJJeff | color coded itemlevels |
| 05:33.55 | Torhal | SqueeG: pong |
| 05:34.09 | SqueeG | hey hey |
| 05:34.16 | SqueeG | Can i pick your brain a moment? |
| 05:34.16 | Arrowmaster | you need/greed based on nothing but itemlevel? |
| 05:34.30 | Jerub | yeah, sounds broken to me. |
| 05:34.57 | Torhal | SqueeG: Using what implement? |
| 05:35.11 | SqueeG | An icepick and hammer? |
| 05:35.19 | SqueeG | Or just a few questions :p |
| 05:35.23 | Torhal | Suitable enough, I suppose. |
| 05:35.53 | SqueeG | I have a simple little addon I ripped out of a bigger one a looong time ago |
| 05:36.23 | SqueeG | Just shrinks my mainmenubar and positions it bottomright |
| 05:36.29 | SqueeG | But jostle centers it |
| 05:36.38 | SqueeG | Have any ideas on how to override that easily? |
| 05:36.56 | Torhal | Try putting the Jostle in its OptDeps, so Jostle loads first. |
| 05:37.48 | Torhal | Though, if Jostle uses an OnUpdate you'll have to get more creative. |
| 05:38.06 | SqueeG | originally i was just commenting mainmenubar out |
| 05:38.11 | Arrowmaster | jostle does a lot of stuff |
| 05:38.26 | SqueeG | I know it does :p |
| 05:42.38 | Arrowmaster | SqueeG: just trigger :UserPlaced() on the frame |
| 05:44.09 | SqueeG | IsUserPlacer() |
| 05:44.12 | SqueeG | ? |
| 05:44.15 | Shirik | why is there a unicode character Ć„ĀĀ .... |
| 05:44.18 | Torhal | :SetUserPlaced() |
| 05:44.28 | Arrowmaster | jostle checks not frame:IsUserPlaced() before doing anything so however you flip that |
| 05:44.54 | Torhal | frame:SetUserPlaced(true) |
| 05:45.03 | SqueeG | aaaah, alright, thanks |
| 05:52.30 | Cide | Shirik: why not? it's a "legitimate" symbol |
| 05:52.47 | Cide | it'd be ignorant to skip it because of the associations |
| 05:53.00 | Shirik | why is the microsoft logo not a unicode symbol? |
| 05:53.08 | Shirik | what about the US flag? |
| 05:53.18 | Cide | ... |
| 05:53.21 | Shirik | there are a million things I could cite that are "legitimate symbols" |
| 05:53.25 | Cide | the three are hardly comparable |
| 05:53.42 | Shirik | I'm not sure what makes that fit for inclusion |
| 05:53.47 | Cide | Archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates from the Neolithic period and was first found in the Indus Valley Civilization of the Indian Subcontinent. It occurs today in the modern day culture of India, sometimes as a geometrical motif and sometimes as a religious symbol; it remains widely used in Eastern and Dharmic religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism. |
| 05:54.01 | Shirik | hm, ok |
| 05:54.30 | Cide | I doubt it's included because of its nazi associations |
| 05:55.14 | Shirik | let's see what its official name is |
| 05:55.15 | Shirik | unicode U+0FCC |
| 05:55.16 | Thunder_Child | it depends on it's orentation iirc |
| 05:55.39 | Shirik | Unicode Character 'TIBETAN SYMBOL NOR BU BZHI -KHYIL' |
| 05:55.43 | Shirik | whatever the hell that means |
| 05:55.57 | Cide | something to do with tibet :P |
| 05:56.23 | Shirik | wait no that's something else |
| 05:56.41 | Shirik | U+534D and U+5350 |
| 05:56.44 | WobWork | I'm so impressed with TheOnion |
| 05:57.02 | Shirik | haha, no name: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/5350/index.htm |
| 05:57.51 | WobWork | It's actually managed to make proper satire |
| 05:57.56 | WobWork | also http://screencast.com/t/NzA4MTNiYTkt |
| 05:57.58 | WobWork | lol ads |
| 05:58.12 | Cide | http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2006/02/09/528337.aspx |
| 05:58.40 | Shirik | yeah I was just reading that |
| 05:58.43 | Shirik | some interesting stuff |
| 05:58.44 | Shirik | "If memory serves me, the swastika was formally designated a Chinese ideograph by the redoubtable Empress Wu of the Tang dynasty during the late 7th century." |
| 05:59.23 | robotusch | Sure it's Empress Wu of the Tang clan |
| 05:59.30 | robotusch | Surely* |
| 05:59.40 | DWSR | rofl |
| 05:59.42 | Jerub | robotusch: uh, why? |
| 05:59.44 | Shirik | ... |
| 05:59.45 | Jerub | oh, right. |
| 05:59.48 | DWSR | ... |
| 05:59.49 | WobWork | ~rimshot |
| 05:59.49 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 05:59.50 | Jerub | pop culture refernece. |
| 05:59.54 | DWSR | indeed |
| 06:00.02 | robotusch | http://www.instantrimshot.com/ |
| 06:00.11 | Cide | anyone know qt well? |
| 06:00.18 | WobWork | I've been called one! |
| 06:00.20 | Jerub | Cide: I know trolltech employees... |
| 06:00.32 | Cide | that's not what I asked for but yeah :P |
| 06:00.33 | Jerub | but i've avoided qt so far. |
| 06:01.19 | DWSR | purl: rimshot is http://www.instantrimshot.com |
| 06:01.20 | purl | ...but rimshot is already something else... |
| 06:01.26 | DWSR | purl: forget rimshot |
| 06:01.26 | purl | DWSR: i forgot rimshot |
| 06:01.31 | DWSR | purl: rimshot is http://www.instantrimshot.com |
| 06:01.32 | purl | okay, DWSR |
| 06:02.47 | DWSR | is there any keyword that you can use to force a factoid's definition to overwrite the previously existing one? |
| 06:03.45 | Thunder_Child | yes, 'no' |
| 06:04.31 | Thunder_Child | eg. purl, no, blah blah is blah blah |
| 06:07.01 | DWSR | ah, thanks tc |
| 06:21.23 | DJJeff | here comes....... |
| 06:21.27 | DJJeff | the best..... |
| 06:21.31 | DJJeff | wow screenshot! |
| 06:21.33 | DJJeff | http://i46.tinypic.com/14xgz6q.jpg |
| 06:21.42 | DJJeff | does he look so bored? |
| 06:21.51 | DJJeff | with a "?" above his head |
| 06:22.21 | DJJeff | and what level is this guy...... like 90 something |
| 06:22.40 | Arrowmaster | 83 |
| 06:24.16 | DJJeff | hahahaha |
| 06:24.25 | DJJeff | why is it a skull to me still? |
| 06:24.28 | DJJeff | cause im 79? |
| 06:24.36 | Arrowmaster | because he is a world boss |
| 06:24.46 | DJJeff | you can kill him? |
| 06:25.06 | Jerub | they got rid of all the dragon world bosses :( |
| 06:25.13 | Shirik | Kraps, you around? |
| 06:25.15 | Jerub | we were going to go kill one at that birthday party last night |
| 06:25.16 | DJJeff | weeeeeeeeeeeee im 48% into 79 |
| 06:25.37 | DJJeff | 80 is gonna be a big bang for me |
| 06:25.55 | Jerub | DJJeff: what server are you on? |
| 06:26.20 | DJJeff | lame @ss thorium brotherhood |
| 06:26.28 | DJJeff | its for role play |
| 06:26.34 | DJJeff | not for PvP or normal |
| 06:27.04 | DJJeff | why are you curious? |
| 06:27.09 | DJJeff | too see if I was on yours? |
| 06:27.17 | DJJeff | there is like a 1 in 999999 chance |
| 06:27.29 | DJJeff | too many realm choices I think |
| 06:27.40 | DJJeff | they should have them listed by state almost |
| 06:27.48 | DJJeff | to pick the one closest to you |
| 06:28.06 | DJJeff | or atleast done it by timezone |
| 06:28.14 | DJJeff | so your all on at the same time |
| 06:28.16 | Jerub | i'm in australia, so i'm on an oceanic realm in the bloodlust bg. |
| 06:28.26 | Jerub | blizzard wouldn't do that |
| 06:28.33 | DJJeff | why? |
| 06:28.34 | Jerub | because everyone lives in california and knows what PDT is. |
| 06:28.48 | DJJeff | lol |
| 06:28.52 | Jerub | and shutdown at 9pm is a perfectly reasonable time to shutdown because it's really 3am their time. |
| 06:28.56 | DJJeff | too much "load" on their servers? |
| 06:29.06 | Jerub | smacks blizzard |
| 06:29.37 | DJJeff | see this is why I want a private realm for all us canadians up here *cough* |
| 06:29.40 | DJJeff | *cough* |
| 06:30.00 | DJJeff | cause I know blizzard aint gonna do something about this |
| 06:30.19 | DJJeff | unless more then 100,000 people complain about it |
| 06:30.39 | Jerub | like they'd listen to 200,000 Q's |
| 06:30.55 | DJJeff | it all goes back to my original question about this game becoming more social |
| 06:31.15 | DJJeff | its all about people complaining about being sexual in trade chat |
| 06:31.22 | DJJeff | instead of actually playing |
| 06:31.51 | DJJeff | just once I would like to be in Borean Tundra..... or somewhere and join General and ask for groups |
| 06:32.00 | DJJeff | but noooooooooooo everyones in Dalaran in trade chat |
| 06:32.13 | DJJeff | making it 2fps for us |
| 06:32.38 | Cide | Shirik: halp |
| 06:32.43 | Shirik | wat |
| 06:32.55 | DJJeff | no one else is with me on this? |
| 06:33.01 | Shirik | DJJeff why does your name take up like 90% of my screen right now? |
| 06:33.08 | DJJeff | ummmmm |
| 06:33.09 | Kraps | Shirik: hmm? |
| 06:33.14 | Shirik | Kraps, you are so slow |
| 06:33.14 | DJJeff | cause its a chatroom? |
| 06:33.15 | Cide | haha, true |
| 06:33.16 | Shirik | I gave up :P |
| 06:33.17 | Jerub | Shirik: you wouldn't take up 90% of the screen |
| 06:33.20 | Cide | one way chat ftw |
| 06:33.32 | Cide | anyway |
| 06:33.37 | DJJeff | I was explaining my rant? |
| 06:33.47 | Shirik | what u want Cide! |
| 06:33.52 | Cide | it's difficult to explain! |
| 06:33.56 | Kraps | Shirik: Indigo Prophecy owns you |
| 06:33.57 | Cide | I need to figure out an algorithm |
| 06:34.01 | Shirik | oh you're screwed |
| 06:34.04 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (n=Thunder_@ppp-71-140-103-55.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 06:34.05 | Cide | fu |
| 06:34.08 | Shirik | unless it's p=np then I have a way to solve it |
| 06:34.13 | Cide | lol |
| 06:34.18 | Cide | I'm sure |
| 06:34.19 | DJJeff | I am soooo posting my rant onto blizz forums |
| 06:34.21 | DJJeff | brb |
| 06:34.54 | Shirik | what Cide! |
| 06:35.16 | Cide | well, I have a set of items with integer coordinates |
| 06:35.51 | Cide | now, I'm grouping items that touch each other as blobs |
| 06:36.10 | Shirik | like which ones are close to each other? |
| 06:36.13 | Cide | ya |
| 06:36.17 | Shirik | omg I have an awesome algorithm for you |
| 06:36.19 | Shirik | done itbefore |
| 06:36.23 | Shirik | it even works if you have walls and stuff |
| 06:36.23 | Cide | stfu |
| 06:36.26 | Shirik | no seriously |
| 06:36.36 | Cide | well I haven't described the problem yet |
| 06:36.44 | Shirik | it was for one of the problems at the IEEE 24 hour competition this year |
| 06:36.50 | Shirik | you said you wanted to find them if they're near each other! |
| 06:36.52 | Cide | the problem isn't creating the blobs |
| 06:36.56 | Shirik | oh :( |
| 06:37.06 | Cide | they're created iteratively and manually |
| 06:37.14 | Shirik | that's boring |
| 06:37.19 | Cide | so it's trivial to tell if a new item is touching an existing blob and then absorbed |
| 06:37.29 | Kraps | night |
| 06:37.42 | Cide | the algorithm I need is a way to detect if a blob is split up into two blobs by removing items |
| 06:38.00 | Cide | well, since it's done one at a time it boils down to if a blob is split into two by removing one (1) item |
| 06:38.07 | Shirik | well how do you define a blob? |
| 06:38.12 | Shirik | is this like a grid? |
| 06:38.16 | Cide | yes |
| 06:38.20 | Shirik | so not specular points |
| 06:38.23 | Cide | no |
| 06:38.31 | Cide | a blob is just a vector of coordinates |
| 06:38.33 | Shirik | ok, same algorithm |
| 06:38.37 | Shirik | different goal |
| 06:39.13 | Shirik | pick a point that was in the blob originally (and not the removed one) at random |
| 06:39.20 | Shirik | pretend that is a cell |
| 06:39.21 | Cide | I need to tell if removing an item causes a subset of the remaining items to be inaccessible from the complementary subset |
| 06:39.22 | Shirik | like a life cell |
| 06:39.30 | Cide | okay |
| 06:39.39 | Shirik | now keep iterating. Each iteration, it divides forward, left, right, and backwards |
| 06:39.48 | Cide | so BFS? |
| 06:39.50 | Shirik | but it only divides if there is another item |
| 06:40.11 | Shirik | sure, I guess you could call it that |
| 06:40.18 | Cide | I shall! but that's a great idea |
| 06:40.33 | Shirik | now if it can't grow anymore, and there are nodes that haven't been touched, you know there's a split |
| 06:40.36 | Cide | thanks |
| 06:40.38 | Shirik | np |
| 06:40.50 | Cide | I should probably pick a node close to the removed node though |
| 06:41.17 | Shirik | hm, it shouldn't matter (except perhaps in the reduced complexity of finding the initial node) |
| 06:41.21 | DJJeff | lol @ posted......... |
| 06:41.22 | DJJeff | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418972709&postId=224166954822&sid=1#0 |
| 06:41.26 | Cide | complexity wise it doesn't |
| 06:41.43 | Cide | in a real-life scenario it probably cuts down on the average runtime |
| 06:42.01 | Shirik | I dunno I think the average runtime would be best from the midpoint of a blob |
| 06:42.07 | Shirik | but I haven't tested it |
| 06:42.12 | Cide | well, ya, you're right |
| 06:42.20 | Shirik | this was a 24 hour competition, we don't care about optimization until it's causing our answers to timeout |
| 06:42.35 | Cide | nah, you're right |
| 06:42.37 | Cide | midpoint is best |
| 06:43.48 | Cide | I had a weak moment and figured one could come up with an answer without exhausting the whole search tree |
| 06:47.36 | Shirik | nah there could be really awkward situations |
| 06:48.01 | Shirik | I remember one test case we failed where we had like something that spiraled 3 times around in 1 cell-width |
| 06:48.03 | Thunder_Child | like someone walking in on you masturbating |
| 06:48.18 | Shirik | I loled at all the people that couldn't figure it out (after we got it, of course) |
| 06:48.35 | Cide | yep |
| 06:48.45 | Cide | your algorithm handles that trivially |
| 06:48.53 | Shirik | the sucky thing about that contest, though, is you don't know what the test cases are |
| 06:49.01 | Shirik | If you fail something, it just goes "Test failed #8" or such |
| 06:49.07 | Shirik | and you're like "ok, well now what :(" |
| 06:49.12 | Shirik | Oh, and so help you if you get a segfault |
| 06:49.19 | Shirik | "SIGSEGV glhf" |
| 06:49.35 | Cide | nice |
| 06:49.36 | Shirik | I'm STILL convinced their test case was broken |
| 06:49.39 | Shirik | on one of our problems |
| 06:49.48 | Shirik | we FINALLY passed it by making our buffers huge |
| 06:49.57 | Shirik | I think they were breaking the boundaries they set |
| 06:54.10 | Cide | heh, that kinda sucks |
| 06:54.14 | Cide | or maybe your math didn't check out |
| 06:54.28 | DJJeff | Jerub: your an aussie? |
| 06:54.36 | DJJeff | my dads from perth western |
| 06:54.49 | DJJeff | I got on google earth and saw it |
| 06:56.00 | Jerub | i think you mean, 'western australia' |
| 06:56.20 | DJJeff | yep |
| 06:56.21 | Jerub | 'western' is the name of a genre about dusty men with revolvers who kill people |
| 06:56.27 | DJJeff | oh |
| 06:56.28 | DJJeff | wow |
| 06:56.34 | DJJeff | yea I didn't mean that |
| 06:56.44 | DJJeff | western australia |
| 06:56.56 | DJJeff | considering I was talking about perth |
| 06:57.01 | DJJeff | and not music |
| 06:58.07 | DJJeff | long flights from thunder bluff to tanris is fun to take a break |
| 06:58.08 | Jerub | it's more or less equvilient to me saying I was from manhattan new |
| 06:58.15 | DJJeff | lol |
| 06:58.27 | Cide | Shirik: hm, in two dimensions with discrete integer coordinates |
| 06:59.03 | Cide | you can split a blob into more than two blobs with one remove |
| 06:59.05 | Cide | that sucks! |
| 06:59.16 | Cide | gotta do it repeatedly then |
| 06:59.49 | Cide | or can you? |
| 07:00.03 | Cide | maybe not |
| 07:02.07 | SqueeG | http://www.badassoftheweek.com/chrontosh.html |
| 07:04.44 | *** join/#wowuidev tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 07:04.45 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 07:07.36 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah|away (n=Ryan@c-76-107-191-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 07:18.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@pool016.vpn.uni-saarland.de) |
| 07:24.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Riffage- (n=limi@78-86-205-138.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 07:25.59 | *** join/#wowuidev bleeter_ (n=bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 07:27.12 | *** join/#wowuidev bleeter (n=bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 07:39.21 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 07:39.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Riffage (n=limi@78-86-205-138.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 07:47.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Riffage- (n=limi@78-86-205-138.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 07:51.09 | DJJeff | l |
| 07:51.10 | DJJeff | m |
| 07:51.10 | DJJeff | a |
| 07:51.11 | DJJeff | o |
| 07:51.13 | DJJeff | http://www.wowwiki.com/US_realm_list_by_datacenter |
| 07:51.20 | DJJeff | answers my question |
| 07:51.28 | DJJeff | thank you blizzard forums! |
| 07:51.54 | DJJeff | hrmmmmm seattle is close to me |
| 07:52.47 | DJJeff | darn ...... thorium is in LA |
| 07:52.57 | DJJeff | oh well its still PDT |
| 07:53.29 | digmouse | also LF realm recommendation |
| 07:53.42 | DJJeff | ? |
| 07:53.48 | DJJeff | you are? |
| 07:58.14 | DJJeff | lol I didn't know Zul'Farrak could reset with me still inside |
| 08:02.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Repo (n=supybot@repos.curseforge.net) |
| 08:04.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Esamynn (n=nnnnnnnn@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Esamynn) |
| 08:04.22 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Esamynn] by ChanServ |
| 08:10.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Repo (n=supybot@repos.curseforge.net) |
| 08:14.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=adys@athedsl-355375.home.otenet.gr) |
| 08:15.04 | Adys | GOD bristol is ridiculously cheap |
| 08:23.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (n=caleb@dsl4E5C00EB.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 08:23.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (n=Wobin@203-158-36-205.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 08:23.08 | digmouse | *shurg* anyway I'd choose a random pve alliance server |
| 08:23.32 | digmouse | hi caleb| how's your plan for tomorrow? |
| 08:26.08 | *** join/#wowuidev augustl (n=augustl@62.70.2.252) |
| 08:26.17 | Caleb| | tomorrow? |
| 08:26.39 | Caleb| | whats happening tomorrow? |
| 08:28.03 | *** join/#wowuidev ReAn (n=rean@d137-186-212-222.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 08:31.34 | Lonny` | Hello, I'm trying to make a frame draggable while using SecureGroupHeaderTemplate but I think I'm missing something :p |
| 08:32.52 | *** join/#wowuidev ReAn (n=rean@d137-186-212-222.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 08:33.34 | Lonny` | hmm I've tried to set it using SecureHandlerDragTemplate but I nothing happens, I'm pretty new to secure headers so I'm not quite sure how everything works |
| 08:33.45 | Lonny` | but nothing* |
| 08:33.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh (n=Srosh@c209235.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 08:34.58 | Adys | Lonny`, i think wowprogramming.com has some articles on secure frames |
| 08:35.22 | Lonny` | hmm |
| 08:36.07 | Lonny` | yeah I've read few, as well as iriel's pdf but I'm still missing something :) |
| 08:37.18 | Lonny` | Here is the bits of code I use to create it http://lonny.pastey.net/131045 |
| 08:37.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (n=kalroth@0x573f1066.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.hjnqu1.customer.tele.dk) |
| 08:37.57 | augustl | Lonny`: the code runs without yielding any errors? |
| 08:38.02 | Lonny` | yeah |
| 08:38.15 | augustl | I don't see `onDragStart` on line 10 being defined anywhere |
| 08:38.56 | Lonny` | Well as I said it's part of the code, not the whole thing |
| 08:39.45 | Lonny` | The code works if I remove the secure templates |
| 08:41.07 | augustl | I shouldn't have chimed in here, I have never worked with secure templates ;) |
| 08:41.14 | Lonny` | :p |
| 08:45.13 | augustl | Lonny`: I'm pretty sure you won't be able to drag secure frames in combat. But you probably knew that. |
| 08:45.23 | Lonny` | yeah :p |
| 08:45.41 | Lonny` | it just that nothing happen it doesn't even move haha :p |
| 08:47.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril|Awway (n=Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 08:47.57 | *** join/#wowuidev zenzio (n=zenzio__@ti131310a340-0018.bb.online.no) |
| 08:50.16 | *** join/#wowuidev ReAn (n=rean@d137-186-212-222.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 08:53.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (n=Vilkku@86-60-144-41-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) |
| 08:54.46 | Lonny` | Well I can probably anchor the secured frame to unsecured one and prevent it from moving while in combat, although it seems awkward, I'm sure there's a better way :p |
| 08:55.16 | augustl | yo, experts! |
| 08:55.46 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (n=chatzill@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 08:55.47 | Lonny` | People sleep too much :p |
| 08:58.49 | olafski | sleep? :o |
| 08:59.11 | haste | anchoring a secure frame to non-secure will just make you unable to insecurely move both frames during combat |
| 08:59.23 | augustl | Lonny`: you have clads book right? |
| 08:59.29 | Lonny` | Well I don't want to move them in combat :p |
| 09:00.09 | haste | in the code you pasted you never set the script handler |
| 09:00.34 | haste | frame:SetScript("OnDragStart", onDragStart) -- and the same for stop |
| 09:00.44 | haste | setting .OnDragStart does nothing |
| 09:00.45 | Lonny` | I do, it's on another function |
| 09:00.51 | Lonny` | I know >.< |
| 09:01.24 | Lonny` | This is pretty basics, I'm a bit beyond that |
| 09:01.44 | haste | well, I can only see the code you pasted |
| 09:01.54 | Lonny` | The code I posted works, just not when I set the secure templates :) |
| 09:02.04 | augustl | haste: I thought people on IRC had magic code reading telepathy abilities |
| 09:02.13 | Lonny` | lol |
| 09:02.37 | augustl | AND YOU ARE A PERSON ON IRC are you not? |
| 09:02.54 | Lonny` | I'm a bot :D |
| 09:03.49 | haste | Lonny`: based on the code in SecureHandlerTemplates.xml you have to set the attributes: _ondragstart and _ondragstop |
| 09:04.00 | Lonny` | ahh |
| 09:04.02 | haste | (didn't see your SecureHandlerDragTemplate at first :) |
| 09:04.09 | Lonny` | ^^ |
| 09:04.49 | haste | http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/master/FrameXML/SecureHandlers.lua#L219 is the function handling your dragging |
| 09:05.25 | Lonny` | ohh |
| 09:05.26 | augustl | haste: neat, the ui source is on github, didn't know :) |
| 09:06.03 | haste | some of the tags are currently missing, but meh |
| 09:06.10 | Lonny` | hmm so I got a slight problem here because I got some code that I use to dock the frames hmm |
| 09:06.36 | Lonny` | what can I do ? can I pass a custom code into the attribute ? |
| 09:07.05 | Lonny` | like frame:SetAttribute("_ondragstart", snippet) ? |
| 09:07.40 | augustl | according to http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetAttribute, the 2nd argument can be anything |
| 09:07.43 | augustl | so a function works, I guess |
| 09:07.46 | zenzio | http://www.lamebook.com/locked-out o_O |
| 09:08.02 | Lonny` | ah oki |
| 09:08.47 | Lonny` | Nice thanks for the help ^^ |
| 09:09.11 | haste | Lonny`: not in this case |
| 09:09.16 | Shirik | old zenzio |
| 09:09.21 | Lonny` | ahh |
| 09:09.25 | Shirik | well not the facebook part |
| 09:09.27 | Shirik | but heard that joke before |
| 09:09.27 | haste | Lonny`: it has to be a string as it's used in the restricted env. |
| 09:09.39 | zenzio | Shirik: Mr. T pities the fool who has to pull a Fisker |
| 09:09.59 | Shirik | pities the Fisker |
| 09:10.26 | augustl | off topic: I know there are a lot of windows programmers in here. Can I has a The Ultimate Link for getting started with coding native windows apps? Preferably for people that already know how to code ;) |
| 09:11.06 | haste | msdn :P ? |
| 09:11.06 | Shirik | um |
| 09:11.08 | Shirik | coding what? |
| 09:11.18 | Shirik | I would send you to Win32 API basics but that's like |
| 09:11.21 | Shirik | nobody does that anymore |
| 09:11.21 | Grum | what language? :D |
| 09:11.42 | Grum | and i think you find more non-windows programmers in here btw |
| 09:11.54 | zenzio | look up WinMain and CreateWindowEx, from there just google up what in particular you want |
| 09:12.00 | zenzio | but yes, MSDN is actually quite good |
| 09:12.01 | Shirik | lol zenzio |
| 09:12.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@studio.fuzemedia.co.uk) |
| 09:12.05 | Shirik | nobody does that anymore >< |
| 09:12.06 | augustl | so there's no One True Thing, like Cocoa for OS X? |
| 09:12.10 | zenzio | Shirik: I do |
| 09:12.10 | Shirik | everyone's like oooooooooh .NET! |
| 09:12.12 | Lonny` | hmm can't I use something like this then frame:SetAttribute("_ondragstart", [[ Some code ]]) ? |
| 09:12.13 | Shirik | yeah me too |
| 09:12.14 | Fisker | YOU WOULDN'T |
| 09:12.16 | zenzio | fuck .NET |
| 09:12.19 | Shirik | agree |
| 09:12.28 | Shirik | HRESULT ftw |
| 09:12.30 | Lonny` | What's with .Net ? :p |
| 09:12.32 | Lonny` | lol |
| 09:12.35 | Lonny` | ah right lol |
| 09:12.38 | haste | a framework on windows |
| 09:12.46 | augustl | haha, windows is worse than wow addon frameworks =P |
| 09:12.49 | augustl | no standards! |
| 09:12.52 | augustl | ducks |
| 09:12.54 | haste | anyway Lonny`, you need to remember that the code is used within the restricted env. |
| 09:13.11 | Shirik | LPCTSTR lpszHaste = &haste; |
| 09:13.23 | Lonny` | yeah so can't I check for combatlock inside it ? |
| 09:13.32 | haste | http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/master/FrameXML/RestrictedFrames.lua http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/master/FrameXML/RestrictedExecution.lua http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/master/FrameXML/RestrictedEnvironment.lua |
| 09:13.36 | haste | it's a fun read >:3 |
| 09:13.40 | Lonny` | haha ^^ |
| 09:13.48 | haste | you don't need to check the combat lock |
| 09:14.03 | haste | the code is executed securely |
| 09:14.32 | Lonny` | hmm |
| 09:14.43 | Shirik | I'll execute you securely |
| 09:14.49 | Lonny` | lol |
| 09:14.54 | Fisker | enrages |
| 09:14.59 | augustl | I'll execute your mom, insecurely |
| 09:15.10 | Lonny` | lol |
| 09:15.38 | Lonny` | That's a nice [en]counter :D |
| 09:17.03 | Lonny` | haste hmm I'm thinking to let the user move the frames out of combat, and I don't want this code to run while in combat, that's why I'm saying I have to check for it :D |
| 09:17.54 | haste | then it sounds like you don't want to use the drag template |
| 09:18.54 | *** join/#wowuidev kaiden^ (n=nnscript@c-67-183-80-147.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 09:19.11 | Lonny` | Or well, I can probably do something else, like having a layout where to user can position the raid frames, and anchor the headers to it ? |
| 09:19.23 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1573 |
| 09:20.14 | haste | Lonny`: I have no idea what you mean by that |
| 09:20.15 | Kalroth | Adys: http://www.explosm.net/comics/1899/ |
| 09:20.24 | Adys | Kalroth, http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1573 |
| 09:20.29 | haste | the raid frames are children of the header, why would you want to reverse it? |
| 09:21.12 | Kalroth | Adys: http://www.explosm.net/comics/1895/ |
| 09:21.30 | Adys | Kalroth, http://www.explosm.net/comics/1899/ ! |
| 09:21.38 | haste | stop pasting old explosm already! |
| 09:21.38 | Kalroth | I just pasted that! |
| 09:21.46 | Adys | whatever |
| 09:22.16 | Kalroth | Adys: EJ hates you people: http://elitistjerks.com/f34/t86831-infraction_zacheryah_being_french/ |
| 09:22.28 | Kalroth | "Also you could try being a bit less rude, but given your nationality I suppose we can't expect miracles. " |
| 09:22.44 | Adys | Im greek |
| 09:22.50 | Kalroth | no you're not |
| 09:22.58 | Kalroth | all greeks I know are cool |
| 09:22.59 | Adys | yes, I am |
| 09:23.03 | Kalroth | so you can't be one |
| 09:24.28 | Fisker | plants a bomb |
| 09:24.47 | Adys | Kalroth, http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/the-horn-of-the-beast/ |
| 09:24.59 | Kalroth | grabs Adys' horn |
| 09:27.26 | Lonny` | haste I'm not trying to reverse anything, I guess I didn't explain it as good as I should, but I'll play with it for a bit and see what I can come up with :) |
| 09:28.11 | Lonny` | Again, thanks for the help! :D |
| 09:40.24 | Fisker | nice |
| 09:40.31 | Fisker | piracy is beating up old ladies and stealing their money |
| 09:41.07 | haste | don't forget that open source contributes to piracy |
| 09:41.19 | Fisker | yeah |
| 09:41.20 | Kalroth | and it makes unknown finnish heavy metal bands sell less than the beatles |
| 09:41.24 | Kalroth | all piracy |
| 09:41.28 | Fisker | Open Source is beating up old ladies without taking their money |
| 09:45.32 | Dagmar | ...and then replacing their bones with adamantium so it won't happen again. |
| 09:45.56 | Dagmar | So a few of them are slightly odd-sized. They'll get used to it. |
| 09:46.40 | Dagmar | KungFuJesus: So the thing to do there is to go find another ham |
| 09:49.26 | Corrodias | what? ham? |
| 09:49.35 | Dagmar | Not a tasty one either. |
| 09:49.53 | augustl | let's discuss open source licenses! http://yehudakatz.com/2010/01/05/the-maximal-usage-doctrine-for-open-source/ |
| 09:49.55 | augustl | (or not) |
| 09:49.58 | augustl | nice post, though |
| 09:50.03 | Corrodias | kungfujesus, that's a SA poster, isn't it? |
| 09:55.46 | Corrodias | damn, people really get into intellectual property politics |
| 09:56.40 | Corrodias | from that, i can be absolutely sure that i don't want to be involved in development of whatever they're talking about. |
| 10:03.48 | Fisker | Shirik where are you? |
| 10:03.56 | Shirik | Where are YOU |
| 10:04.29 | Fisker | here |
| 10:06.16 | Fisker | why won't you love me Shirik ? |
| 10:06.24 | Shirik | because |
| 10:06.26 | Shirik | you worship 4chan |
| 10:08.10 | Fisker | oh but i don't |
| 10:08.26 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/bird_nom_question.jpg |
| 10:09.43 | Fisker | i have itching feet Shirik |
| 10:09.51 | *** join/#wowuidev mojosdojo (n=gdbzet26@p4FEFF6E1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:13.13 | mikma | haste: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/ffffuuu.jpg |
| 10:15.52 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: showering helps |
| 10:20.27 | Fisker | but why? |
| 10:24.17 | *** join/#wowuidev spode (i=spode@213.21.89.233) |
| 10:28.55 | *** join/#wowuidev dustin_ (n=dustin@pool-173-57-80-36.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) |
| 10:29.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 10:35.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys_ (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 10:49.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys_ (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 10:50.14 | *** join/#wowuidev bleeter_ (n=bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 10:51.24 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (n=chatzill@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 10:51.27 | batrick | Shirik: chess? |
| 10:51.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys_ (n=adys@athedsl-355375.home.otenet.gr) |
| 10:55.54 | olafski | random dungeon: "one of the players does not match the requirements for the chosen dungeon" >_< |
| 10:56.58 | olafski | maybe it should randomly pick one.. we can actually join |
| 10:57.07 | smcn | lol |
| 10:57.40 | olafski | lvl 38, 39 and 41 in the group |
| 10:57.44 | olafski | surely there's a few dungeons that match that :P |
| 10:59.39 | Fisker | did some of you level since you joined? |
| 11:02.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 11:07.27 | batrick | i was surprised i could find a group for level 60 LBRS (random pick) at ~4am the other day. |
| 11:08.27 | *** join/#wowuidev spode- (i=spode@213.21.89.233) |
| 11:13.42 | *** join/#wowuidev nic (n=nic@host86-162-65-100.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:15.58 | *** join/#wowuidev dustin__ (n=dustin@pool-173-57-80-36.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) |
| 11:20.25 | *** join/#wowuidev harl (i=harl@dslb-088-077-196-168.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 11:23.56 | *** join/#wowuidev svenadh (n=sven@p5B399802.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:24.08 | bleeter | http://www.ladyada.net/make/bedazzler/index.html |
| 11:24.53 | Fisker | you face not Fisker alone, but the legions i command |
| 11:24.54 | Fisker | bleeter |
| 11:26.33 | bleeter | you face not Fisker alone, but the Bleeters I command |
| 11:42.01 | olafski | fisker: yeah I think someone leveled.. the highest and lowest chars in the group didn't level though |
| 11:42.36 | olafski | heh it's letting me pick Maraudon now, at lvl 39 |
| 11:52.28 | Fisker | as far as i know someone leveling screws it up olafski |
| 11:52.36 | Fisker | regardless of who it is and why |
| 11:56.56 | *** join/#wowuidev crs_ (n=crs@dslb-084-061-075-195.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 12:00.12 | olafski | lame |
| 12:03.10 | Fisker | your mother though |
| 12:06.55 | Fisker | i can't wait until jnwhiteh gets home ;3 |
| 12:07.17 | Kalroth | why |
| 12:07.45 | Fisker | he's getting me a nexus one |
| 12:08.06 | Kalroth | you wouldn't |
| 12:10.49 | Fisker | i would |
| 12:15.33 | A-KO | hmm, does anyone know if there is an updated version of lootlink? |
| 12:16.17 | DJJeff | lol @ my stats....... |
| 12:16.18 | DJJeff | http://i50.tinypic.com/4lk4g9.jpg |
| 12:16.27 | DJJeff | why is my darn crit chance so low |
| 12:16.39 | DJJeff | it was 10% yesterday now its like 5.8 |
| 12:17.27 | DJJeff | love that screenshot though |
| 12:17.44 | cbreak | did you level up? |
| 12:18.01 | DJJeff | ???? |
| 12:18.02 | cbreak | you know that ratings are level dependent, you need more to get the same effect at higher levels |
| 12:18.24 | DJJeff | oh maybe |
| 12:19.26 | cbreak | same with int by the way |
| 12:19.28 | DJJeff | could I have nicer gear for my level? or should I really wait till 80 |
| 12:19.48 | cbreak | I think I had nicer gear at level 70 |
| 12:19.51 | cbreak | but I am not entirely sure |
| 12:20.13 | DJJeff | most of my gear is blue |
| 12:20.28 | cbreak | LK blues are rather good |
| 12:21.20 | DJJeff | my Tabard of the Explorer is purple |
| 12:21.21 | DJJeff | lol |
| 12:21.33 | industrial | texture error? |
| 12:21.38 | DJJeff | no? |
| 12:21.40 | DJJeff | where? |
| 12:21.47 | industrial | isnt it gold usually? |
| 12:22.03 | DJJeff | the cape itself is |
| 12:22.17 | DJJeff | but when you hover over the item |
| 12:22.29 | DJJeff | the item level is purple (epic) |
| 12:23.51 | DJJeff | http://i47.tinypic.com/j154wi.jpg |
| 12:24.00 | DJJeff | ^ - picture of the purple hover |
| 12:24.47 | DJJeff | lol I still have my magic broom on my right panel |
| 12:24.53 | DJJeff | I miss using it |
| 12:25.39 | mikma | what's going on |
| 12:25.58 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43348 |
| 12:26.26 | DJJeff | yep |
| 12:26.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Schnaks_ (n=Schnaks@p5486D366.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:26.36 | DJJeff | thats the same tabard thats in my screenshot |
| 12:26.56 | DJJeff | damn it.......... im sick of these partypoker popups |
| 12:26.57 | mikma | and? |
| 12:27.12 | DJJeff | thats it im not clicking on wowhead links anymore |
| 12:28.10 | *** join/#wowuidev kraftman (n=kraft_@cpc5-hem13-0-0-cust127.lutn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 12:28.21 | olafski | tabard of the explorer has always been purple oO |
| 12:28.30 | mikma | exactly my point when i linked it |
| 12:28.34 | mikma | obviously he missed it |
| 12:28.40 | olafski | your map is quite bright :P |
| 12:28.41 | mikma | and decided to complain about partypoker instead |
| 12:28.45 | olafski | (djjeff's) |
| 12:28.50 | olafski | :) |
| 12:28.51 | DJJeff | I never said it wasn't |
| 12:29.00 | DJJeff | I never said it wasn't purple |
| 12:29.13 | DJJeff | someone said it was gold |
| 12:29.14 | DJJeff | lol |
| 12:29.21 | olafski | your original line about it seemed to indicate that this was something special |
| 12:29.23 | DJJeff | ya my minimap is "SexyMap" |
| 12:30.00 | mikma | gold... |
| 12:30.55 | olafski | btw, you mentioned it being purple _before_ industrial said it is gold :P |
| 12:30.56 | DJJeff | is there something wrong with my bright minimap? |
| 12:31.04 | olafski | no |
| 12:31.09 | DJJeff | ok then |
| 12:31.09 | olafski | not my taste but nothing wrong with it per se :P |
| 12:31.10 | DJJeff | lol |
| 12:31.30 | DJJeff | its my UI...... and If I want it bright..... then im gonna have it bright |
| 12:31.44 | olafski | alright then.. |
| 12:31.50 | industrial | .. I thought explorer tabard was gold |
| 12:31.56 | olafski | it is |
| 12:32.05 | industrial | then whats purple |
| 12:32.11 | olafski | the item quality ;) |
| 12:32.17 | industrial | oh lol ;p |
| 12:32.38 | DJJeff | industrial |
| 12:32.43 | mikma | nice attitude, did your mom gave it to you? |
| 12:32.44 | DJJeff | did you not look at my picture |
| 12:32.45 | industrial | DJJeff: == |
| 12:32.48 | DJJeff | or the wowhead link |
| 12:32.52 | industrial | no |
| 12:33.11 | DJJeff | dont comment if your not gonna put forth an effort to look at links |
| 12:33.12 | olafski | nobody clicks wowhead links anymore |
| 12:33.16 | DJJeff | we are showing you |
| 12:33.22 | olafski | jeez dude |
| 12:33.24 | DJJeff | why? |
| 12:33.24 | olafski | just stop being a douche :P |
| 12:33.28 | DJJeff | lol |
| 12:33.34 | industrial | it scrolled away, I'm in class |
| 12:33.40 | industrial | and dont give a rats ass about your tabard anymore |
| 12:33.46 | industrial | have a nice day, bbl |
| 12:33.56 | DJJeff | there is absolutly no popups or virus on tinypic |
| 12:33.58 | DJJeff | lol |
| 12:34.04 | DJJeff | and why in IRC during class |
| 12:38.34 | *** join/#wowuidev bleeter_ (n=bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 12:48.58 | Fisker | you wouldn't Dotted |
| 12:50.54 | Adys | WARRGHAHGAGAGAGAHHHHGAHHHHGAHHHH |
| 12:50.57 | Adys | PKFJDAJ. |
| 12:51.07 | Adys | Dolby: mind if i report an annoying ad |
| 12:51.51 | Adys | or Cairenn, or someone |
| 12:52.00 | Cairenn | ? |
| 12:52.08 | Adys | flash ad |
| 12:52.09 | Adys | with sound |
| 12:52.24 | Adys | which goes "PUNCH" ... "PUNCH" ... "PUNCH" ... "PUNCH" |
| 12:52.36 | Adys | every 2 seconds, which is exactly what I wanna do to my monitor right now. |
| 12:52.42 | Cairenn | page, site, your geographical location |
| 12:53.01 | Adys | athens, greece, list.php and homepage, 300x300 ad |
| 12:53.11 | Adys | trying to get the url |
| 12:53.35 | Adys | http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/ads?correlator=1262782317499&output=json_html&callback=GA_googleSetAdContentsBySlotForSync&impl=s&client=ca-pub-9112220576733598&slotname=MMOI_WoW_MRec&page_slots=MMOI_WoW_MRec&cookie=ID%3Df4add0a2a05d0d25%3AT%3D1245066319%3AS%3DALNI_Maq1UKdICn2YSxcuO7Tb_bhszbUOQ&cdm=s.wowinterface.com&ga_vid=1416977058.1260404764&ga_sid=1262782318&ga_hid=846674674&ga_fc=true&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wowinterface.com%2Flist.php%3F&ref=h |
| 12:53.35 | Adys | ttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wowinterface.com%2Flist.php%3F&lmt=1242672707&dt=1262782317500&biw=-12245933&bih=-12245933&ifi=1&ifk=2252801002&u_tz=120&u_his=1&u_java=true&u_h=1050&u_w=3360&u_ah=1050&u_aw=3360&u_cd=24&u_nplug=2&u_nmime=3&flash=10.0.32 |
| 12:53.40 | Adys | oops, sorry |
| 12:53.56 | zenzio | needs moar info in the URL |
| 12:54.16 | Cairenn | pm it all to me sweetie, so I can forward it along, please? |
| 12:54.21 | Adys | sure |
| 12:54.29 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 12:54.52 | *** join/#wowuidev kaiden (n=nnscript@c-67-183-80-147.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 12:56.24 | Fisker | bombs a plant or was it the other way around? |
| 12:57.46 | DJJeff | lol............ tinyurl works wonders |
| 13:07.05 | Gnarfoz | DJJeff: and... kind of defeats the purpose for this |
| 13:08.32 | Cairenn | yep |
| 13:15.12 | Fisker | how so mr. Gnarfoz ? |
| 13:17.40 | Fisker | answer me mr. Gnarfoz |
| 13:19.24 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (n=nevin@c-66-30-209-28.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 13:19.24 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 13:20.36 | *** join/#wowuidev boshi23 (n=chris@c-68-36-37-83.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 13:23.02 | alestane | I am amused to see someone looking for a Hello Kitty button facade; that thing was originally intended to be a joke more than anything else. |
| 13:32.13 | alestane | '...and finally, I resolve not to fall for any more Nigerian "You have won free uranium" scams.' |
| 13:38.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Legorol (n=legorol@183-19-67.ip.adsl.hu) |
| 13:38.41 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ |
| 13:49.08 | Fisker | slaps alestane around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:59.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraps (n=chatzill@ool-44c20717.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 14:00.31 | Kraps | lol The Oculus had some additional changes made. The Planar Anomlies during the Eregos encounter will have a shorter duration and do reduced damage, some of the drakes above VarosĆ¢ĀĀs platform have been removed, and the drakes controlled by players will move a little faster. |
| 14:01.09 | Thunder_Child | lol alestane, i read that as free urine |
| 14:01.32 | Kraps | yay Players can now send a whisper to a player from another realm that is currently in their party. |
| 14:01.41 | alestane | Don't fall for that scam either. |
| 14:01.56 | zenzio | Kraps: sweet, finally I can tell the DKs to not use Army of the Dead without telling the whole group |
| 14:02.20 | Gnarfoz | why not tell the whole group? :p |
| 14:03.19 | zenzio | because the deathknights who use Army of the Dead on bosses are generally newer to things, and some of them seem to take offence when I tell them in party chat |
| 14:04.26 | Gnarfoz | they're offended, whee |
| 14:04.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (n=EAndre@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 14:04.36 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 14:04.54 | zenzio | I try not to upset people needlessly |
| 14:04.57 | Gnarfoz | yay, snow/slush/rain-something |
| 14:05.13 | Kraps | the oculus thing is hilarious to me |
| 14:05.33 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: next up: they move eregos+the loot chest to the entrance portal |
| 14:05.36 | alestane | It does seem a little ridiculous. |
| 14:06.10 | Kraps | the real problem is that your situational awareness is cut by at least half when riding a drake |
| 14:06.22 | Gnarfoz | it is? |
| 14:06.29 | Kraps | yes |
| 14:06.41 | zenzio | you have a whole new dimension to care about |
| 14:06.44 | Gnarfoz | do you lose your eyes? :< |
| 14:06.45 | Fisker | Gnarfoz explain yourself |
| 14:06.57 | Gnarfoz | ~gnarfoz |
| 14:06.58 | purl | from memory, gnarfoz is hax, or the gremmarz polise |
| 14:07.02 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.04 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 14:07.06 | Gnarfoz | ~fisker |
| 14:07.07 | purl | i guess fisker is the #wowace channel troll. |
| 14:07.14 | Gnarfoz | yeees. |
| 14:07.16 | Fisker | [14:07:08] <Gnarfoz> DJJeff: and... kind of defeats the purpose for this |
| 14:07.18 | Fisker | nooooooooooooo |
| 14:07.31 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: yeeeees |
| 14:07.33 | Kalroth | fiskered |
| 14:07.37 | Fisker | what's wrong zenzio ? |
| 14:07.44 | Gnarfoz | you're wrong, Fisker |
| 14:07.44 | Fisker | tell me why Gnarfoz |
| 14:08.34 | *** join/#wowuidev dustin_ (n=dustin@pool-173-57-80-36.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) |
| 14:08.57 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: because she wants the URL he got; that stuff is dynamic and actually visiting it will change what content she gets anyway, so besides appending a - to the tinyurl to use the landing page to get her the actual URL, turning it into a tinyurl link would be worthless |
| 14:09.43 | Fisker | would make the url shorter |
| 14:09.44 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 14:10.28 | Gnarfoz | ~moron |
| 14:10.29 | purl | moron is, like, someone that types long lines starting with "purl" |
| 14:10.51 | Gnarfoz | should be "see ~fisker" |
| 14:11.20 | Fisker | naw |
| 14:11.59 | Fisker | i don't see how it's worthless when the url can't even fit correctly into a single line |
| 14:12.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (n=Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa) |
| 14:12.02 | Fisker | so ~moron @ you |
| 14:12.25 | zenzio | depends on your definition of a "line" |
| 14:12.32 | zenzio | on IRC it may be too long |
| 14:12.39 | Gnarfoz | also depends on what you want to do with it, ~moron |
| 14:13.05 | Gnarfoz | so you suggest using tinyurl + appended dash, then? haw |
| 14:13.21 | Fisker | So Gnarfoz you just told me that it may be useful depending on use, while earlier claiming it was just worthless |
| 14:13.22 | Fisker | baw |
| 14:13.27 | Fisker | ~moron is you |
| 14:13.27 | purl | ...but moron is already something else... |
| 14:13.46 | Gnarfoz | purl, fisker is also worthless |
| 14:13.46 | purl | okay, Gnarfoz |
| 14:14.48 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/22418632593-would-blizz-mind-if-i-quit.html |
| 14:14.53 | Fisker | i can barely read from all the monitor errors your river gives me Gnarfoz |
| 14:15.11 | Gnarfoz | did you destroy *another* LCD, Fisker? |
| 14:15.14 | Fisker | Tseric would've been cool Kraps |
| 14:15.22 | Fisker | naw, just your crying did Gnarfoz |
| 14:18.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.29.18) |
| 14:18.37 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 14:18.58 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: e-tears froze on their way through the intertubes to your frozen wasteland of a country :< |
| 14:19.24 | Lopeppeppy | Harshing in the morning, I approve. |
| 14:20.20 | alestane | Morning Peppy. Kitty okay after mommy got over her heart attack? |
| 14:21.58 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to make slippers just as soon as she has fur again. Thrice-damned feline and her vet fetish. |
| 14:22.28 | nevcairiel | slippers out of her fur? isnt that kinda evil? |
| 14:22.45 | zenzio | their hair falls off naturally all the time |
| 14:23.50 | Thunder_Child | no no, it's evil |
| 14:24.14 | zenzio | yes, it's evil; makes us have to clean up after them |
| 14:24.18 | zenzio | the least they could do is shed outside |
| 14:24.20 | Lopeppeppy | Slippers out of her freakin' HIDE for being an evil Monsterface Mischiefbutt. She made me think she had dislocated her hip. She made me take her to the vet not once, but TWICE yesterday. |
| 14:25.13 | nevcairiel | cats dislocate things? |
| 14:25.32 | Lopeppeppy | they could, if they got their leg caught in their kennel bars and twisted. |
| 14:25.40 | Thunder_Child | i think your vet sees you as a walking hawaii trip advertisement |
| 14:25.46 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:25.48 | Lopeppeppy | For serious. |
| 14:26.01 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy :( |
| 14:26.03 | Fisker | Gnarfoz is mean to me |
| 14:26.29 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker my sweet pumpkin faced darling, you should be nicer to Gnarfoz sometimes, and he might be nicer back. |
| 14:27.56 | Fisker | like i was mean :( |
| 14:28.21 | zenzio | Fisker is never mean, he's in fact quite below average |
| 14:29.16 | *** join/#wowuidev dustin__ (n=dustin@pool-173-57-80-36.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) |
| 14:29.30 | Fisker | :( |
| 14:30.30 | zenzio | bah, where are the people who appreciate/hate puns... |
| 14:31.18 | alestane | Should I groan now? Soory, I thought you were kind of reaching there. |
| 14:31.21 | Lopeppeppy | I got it, once I read it. I'm just focusing on work atm. |
| 14:31.43 | zenzio | alestane: my puns never span multiple lines on IRC |
| 14:32.39 | Thunder_Child | ~lart zenzio |
| 14:32.39 | purl | takes out zenzio with the trash |
| 14:34.31 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:37.23 | Thunder_Child | eats Fisker's trout |
| 14:37.31 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (n=tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 14:39.47 | Kraps | ~lart Fisker's trout |
| 14:39.47 | purl | chops Fisker's trout in half with a free AOL CD |
| 14:48.44 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 14:50.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Natch| (n=natch@c-97cde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 14:50.39 | Lunessa | BWAHAHAHA - XKCD is genius: http://xkcd.com/685/ |
| 14:51.20 | Lopeppeppy | I've seen several references to that article already today, it must really be pushing people's buttons. *innocent* |
| 14:51.24 | alestane | "...say researchers who have hunted for it." |
| 14:52.26 | zenzio | the comments on Slashdot for that thing were... amusing |
| 14:54.12 | *** join/#wowuidev TheDude22 (n=joe@24-241-226-252.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) |
| 14:59.01 | Kraps | these are the things that makes people want to be scientists so dont knock it :p |
| 14:59.39 | Lopeppeppy | Knock it. *giggle snark* |
| 15:00.37 | Kraps | disappointingly predictable peppy /shakes head disapprovingly |
| 15:01.40 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, I am what I am. |
| 15:04.40 | *** join/#wowuidev dustin_ (n=dustin@pool-173-57-80-36.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) |
| 15:07.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@studio.fuzemedia.co.uk) |
| 15:10.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (n=Creek@67-197-1-37.rh1.dyn.cm.comporium.net) |
| 15:11.26 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (n=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 15:11.26 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 15:19.45 | Kraps | why do i always do the highest dps and damage at the toc5 jousts? |
| 15:20.44 | Fisker | because you suck Kraps |
| 15:21.23 | Kraps | what is this i dont even |
| 15:22.27 | *** join/#wowuidev ckknight (n=ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 15:22.27 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 15:24.05 | alestane | Does this comparison make sense to anyone else? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418942879&postId=224167156765&sid=1#4 |
| 15:24.56 | *** join/#wowuidev crs (n=crs@dslb-084-061-075-195.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:25.35 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. |
| 15:26.08 | alestane | That's a...lukewarm response. |
| 15:26.10 | Lopeppeppy | I understand what you're trying to say, but I disagree with the analogy, which is the problem with using analogies. People pick them apart rather than dealing with the information itself. |
| 15:27.01 | alestane | And unfortunately, a lot of my potential audience isn't all that familiar with the manual transmission anyway. |
| 15:27.25 | Kraps | ^ |
| 15:27.40 | alestane | Mostly I'm trying to find a way to make the concept of "telling you not rely on castsequences is an attempt to help you, not shoot you down." |
| 15:27.50 | alestane | ...make that concept more accessible. |
| 15:28.33 | Lopeppeppy | So just say that. |
| 15:28.39 | Lopeppeppy | Why make analogies, dear? |
| 15:32.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (n=EAndre@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 15:32.37 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 15:33.10 | *** join/#wowuidev augustl (n=augustl@62.70.2.252) |
| 15:33.42 | alestane | Oddly enough, some people have trouble accepting things that are stated that broadly in my experience. |
| 15:33.56 | Lopeppeppy | I. cannot work on. something they keep. changing on me. *channeling The Rage of Captain Kirk* |
| 15:34.17 | alestane | Always harder to hit a moving target, yes. |
| 15:34.56 | Lopeppeppy | There goes the 1/11 deadline out the window. I mean, what else have they changed when I didn't know it? *sigh* |
| 15:35.21 | Ackis | ok guys: STO or SWTOR? |
| 15:35.35 | nevcairiel | both, of course |
| 15:35.51 | Ackis | and wow too eh? |
| 15:36.00 | alestane | I don't know what's worse...that you thought we would understand that utterance, or that I actually did? |
| 15:36.18 | Ackis | everyone should understand those acronyms :D |
| 15:36.28 | *** join/#wowuidev p3lim (n=Miranda@85.108.34.95.customer.cdi.no) |
| 15:36.32 | Ackis | STO showed up on Steam for me, noticed it before bed, dreamt about it |
| 15:39.34 | Fisker | i wouldn't Ackis |
| 15:40.55 | Ackis | wouldn't what? |
| 15:41.35 | Fisker | STO or SWTOR |
| 15:42.24 | Ackis | why? WoW is for you? |
| 15:42.52 | Fisker | WoW is for me? |
| 15:43.13 | Ackis | I dunno, is it? |
| 15:43.19 | Ackis | I stopped playing! |
| 15:43.48 | Ackis | what makes me sad is that I have a spectral tiger & kitten & cock mount & 3 CE's & Grunty & Polar Bear thingy |
| 15:43.51 | Fisker | why would you do such a thing? |
| 15:44.33 | Ackis | I R special? |
| 15:45.04 | Fisker | u r stupid |
| 15:45.05 | Adys | Ackis: what? |
| 15:45.09 | Adys | you dont even have gurky? |
| 15:45.11 | Adys | GURKY? |
| 15:45.13 | Adys | YOU DONT HAVE IT? |
| 15:45.34 | Adys | and what do you need a cock mount for. |
| 15:46.03 | Ackis | Gurky is EU only isn't it? |
| 15:46.09 | Ackis | I don't have a Murky or Murkimus :( |
| 15:46.19 | Adys | haha even i have a murkimus. |
| 15:46.19 | Ackis | I collected mounts and I wanted a cock! |
| 15:46.31 | Ackis | yeah my fiance was a bitch and wouldn't help me |
| 15:46.39 | Adys | owned |
| 15:46.49 | Ackis | it's ok, I slapped her a few times |
| 15:46.54 | Adys | terrible |
| 15:47.04 | Ackis | she deserved it/I did it because I love her |
| 15:47.07 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis. Be nice. |
| 15:47.17 | Adys | am I supposed to pick my fav? |
| 15:47.41 | Ackis | lol I was waiting to get in trouble from Lopeppeppy |
| 15:48.36 | Adys | why, is Lopeppeppy your fiance? |
| 15:48.40 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: I'm so sorry to hear |
| 15:48.50 | Ackis | she isn't |
| 15:49.24 | Adys | thank god for her |
| 15:49.36 | Ackis | exactly |
| 15:50.13 | DJJeff | ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 15:50.14 | DJJeff | ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 15:50.20 | DJJeff | someone wanna tell me...... |
| 15:50.23 | Fisker | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 15:50.24 | DJJeff | when this was added |
| 15:50.25 | nevcairiel | adys and ackis talking is confusing me, your nicks are too similar |
| 15:50.26 | DJJeff | http://i47.tinypic.com/2vhvhjt.jpg |
| 15:50.30 | nevcairiel | i should turn on nick coloring |
| 15:50.31 | DJJeff | and why its not in Atlas |
| 15:50.32 | Ackis | anyways back to STO, Adys do you have any insight? |
| 15:50.52 | nevcairiel | DJJeff: 3.3 added it |
| 15:51.02 | DJJeff | lol |
| 15:51.09 | DJJeff | any other ones added |
| 15:51.10 | Fisker | it sucks Ackis |
| 15:51.11 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: wait for the 12th, i'll let you know |
| 15:51.12 | DJJeff | in 3.3 ? |
| 15:51.14 | Adys | Ackis: STO? |
| 15:51.22 | Fisker | Star Trek Online |
| 15:51.29 | Thunder_Child | Star Trek Online |
| 15:51.33 | DJJeff | Closed Beta |
| 15:51.35 | DJJeff | for now |
| 15:51.38 | Adys | oh who cares |
| 15:51.42 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 15:51.59 | Ackis | :( |
| 15:52.06 | Thunder_Child | i do |
| 15:52.07 | Adys | i mean |
| 15:52.10 | Ackis | it has to be more interesting than WoW |
| 15:52.12 | Adys | i know all about it |
| 15:52.15 | Adys | but since i dont give a shit |
| 15:52.19 | Adys | I WONT TELL YOU HAHA |
| 15:52.20 | augustl | jsFiddle rocks x10 |
| 15:52.21 | augustl | http://jsfiddle.net/few5E/ |
| 15:53.14 | Ackis | :( |
| 15:53.19 | Ackis | I thought you loved me Adys |
| 15:53.29 | Adys | i certainly bloody dont |
| 15:53.32 | Thunder_Child | hah |
| 15:53.33 | Adys | go die. |
| 15:53.55 | Ackis | ouch |
| 15:54.01 | Ackis | that hurts my feelings :( |
| 15:54.05 | Thunder_Child | Adys loves Ady, and thats about it |
| 15:54.18 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit (n=foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 15:54.20 | Ackis | yeah but people confuse Ackis and Adys |
| 15:54.23 | Thunder_Child | s/Ady/Adys/ |
| 15:54.24 | Ackis | dunno why |
| 15:54.36 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 15:54.39 | Thunder_Child | i hate you purl |
| 15:55.11 | Adys | Adys loves Ady, and thats about it |
| 15:55.19 | Adys | s/y,/ys,/ |
| 15:55.25 | Adys | doing it right ^ |
| 15:55.30 | Ackis | nerd |
| 15:55.42 | Adys | s/nerd/better than you/ |
| 15:56.00 | Ackis | yeah, even purl knows that is bullshit :P |
| 16:05.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal (n=callahan@74-141-240-27.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 16:06.55 | DJJeff | how do you get the key for Scholmanace in Eastern Plauglands |
| 16:07.07 | Fisker | <3 danish police haste |
| 16:07.11 | DJJeff | Skeleton Key or w.e |
| 16:07.30 | haste | DJJeff: quest chain |
| 16:07.42 | zenzelezz | should be a quest chain from your faction's hub |
| 16:07.42 | DJJeff | darn |
| 16:07.48 | DJJeff | most of the "Well Read" are inside |
| 16:08.50 | nevcairiel | get someone to open for you |
| 16:09.10 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmmmmm or get someone to queue it up in the LFG |
| 16:09.11 | nevcairiel | rogues can pick it, too |
| 16:09.29 | DJJeff | damn gotta port back to undercity now |
| 16:10.12 | Ackis | http://failblog.org/2010/01/06/field-trip-fail/ |
| 16:13.12 | Adys | !api who |
| 16:13.13 | lua_bot | Found 6 possible results for 'who': GetWhoInfo, WHO_LIST_UPDATE, SendWho, SetWhoToUI, GetNumWhoResults, SortWho |
| 16:13.27 | Adys | !api GetWhoInfo |
| 16:13.27 | lua_bot | GetWhoInfo: Returns information about a character in the Who system query results (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetWhoInfo) |
| 16:14.02 | alestane | Ackis: I really hope that was just someone who was in a pranking mood, but it probably wasn't. |
| 16:14.13 | Ackis | alestane: that's the scary thing :( |
| 16:15.48 | Adys | ive seen worse |
| 16:15.53 | Adys | and no thats likely not a prank |
| 16:16.30 | Adys | was prolly just cogwheel's anticlimateer band |
| 16:16.40 | Adys | wheres cogwheel anyway! |
| 16:16.43 | Adys | ~seen cogwheel |
| 16:16.46 | purl | cogwheel <n=cogwheel@WoWUIDev/WoWProgramming/morlando/cogwheel> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 3d 13h 49m 22s ago, saying: 'Shirik: ^'. |
| 16:16.58 | Adys | Shirik, you made cogwheel leave. |
| 16:18.25 | Lopeppeppy | He's been here as cog|work, I would swear... |
| 16:18.36 | Lopeppeppy | points to cog|away |
| 16:19.02 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Adys |
| 16:19.03 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Adys. I hate you because you fail. |
| 16:19.18 | Ackis | points and laughs at Adys |
| 16:19.39 | *** join/#wowuidev kdtresh (n=kdtresh@76.212.99.109) |
| 16:21.52 | Adys | cog|away is NOT cog|work |
| 16:21.57 | Adys | even less so cogwheel |
| 16:26.04 | Adys | MAN I love css |
| 16:29.30 | alestane | It's a fun toy. |
| 16:33.20 | zenzelezz | "Success is shaking your butt in their face that you are better than them." -- http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2010/01/06/9944297.aspx |
| 16:36.35 | *** join/#wowuidev SqueeG (n=ZomgInte@cpe-98-15-147-125.hvc.res.rr.com) |
| 16:42.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Odlaw (i=ozzy@c-98-245-3-204.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 16:42.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Hautian (n=chatzill@142.51.152.135) |
| 16:50.23 | Fisker | swears |
| 16:54.38 | nicoli_s | i do that all the time |
| 16:54.43 | foxlit | Cairenn|afk: I occasionally get partypoker popups when browsing wowi on an ipod. |
| 16:56.00 | Lunessa | foxlit: Partypoker? Is that some new perversion I've been blissfully unaware of? |
| 16:56.37 | zenzelezz | what's the one that pops up all over the web... pokerstars? |
| 16:56.56 | foxlit | might depend on where you are. |
| 16:58.25 | Fisker | slaps nicoli_s around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:58.37 | Fisker | lets hate ckknight |
| 16:58.39 | Lunessa | Ah. I use AdBlock Plus and clever filtering on my DNS to prevent ads from large blocks of places. |
| 16:58.45 | ckknight | let's not |
| 16:59.13 | foxlit | Lunessa: I do too, usually, but ipods aren't that flexible :( |
| 16:59.34 | Lunessa | foxlit: This is why I filter at the DNS level using OpenDNS |
| 17:00.03 | foxlit | Lunessa: hm, I'm not sure that'd work. |
| 17:01.21 | Lunessa | foxlit: Depends on how the ads are served I suppose. But anything over my home network that I've bothered to filter specifically gets filtered out. a little work and I see a lot less crappy flash. |
| 17:01.25 | Fisker | you're no fun |
| 17:01.55 | foxlit | Lunessa: I'm mostly troubled on networks I do not control. |
| 17:02.09 | Lunessa | foxlit: Yes. This is the suck |
| 17:02.33 | Grum | is there a way to 'set' the camera distance in wow? (not the max distance but the current camera distance) |
| 17:02.42 | zenzelezz | I use Flashblock, always amuses me to see the "blocked flash" thing animate from one side of the screen to the other before vanishing |
| 17:03.36 | *** part/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@studio.fuzemedia.co.uk) |
| 17:07.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 17:08.26 | *** join/#wowuidev isman (n=drag@mlr78-3-88-162-68-235.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 17:09.17 | *** join/#wowuidev kraftman (n=kraft_@cpc5-hem13-0-0-cust127.lutn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 17:16.55 | durcyn | i rather prefer replacing that javascript with a no-op and seeing nothing at all. |
| 17:19.21 | zenzelezz | which javascript? |
| 17:20.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Dekster (n=chatzill@pool-71-108-4-152.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 17:22.01 | durcyn | the animated flash overlay bit is usually js, at least in my experience |
| 17:22.11 | durcyn | so adzapper replaces it entirely |
| 17:24.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (n=kalroth@2506ds1-hj.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 17:25.15 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:25.58 | zenzelezz | durcyn: ah, I see. I've never bothered to look deep enough to find out if there's a common javascript for that or something unique to the site |
| 17:29.43 | Lunessa | None of which generally help Foxlit on his ipod touch. |
| 17:32.22 | *** join/#wowuidev pompy (n=Mike@c-68-38-45-3.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 17:34.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Tino (n=opera@81-231-107-118-no17.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 17:35.51 | Tino | What is blizzards point of view with editing macros inside arena depending on the enemies arena setup, like creating a macro that always targets the enemy mage. |
| 17:36.26 | Tino | In my mind it can be a bit over the top, since you can make some powerfull stuff with the wow api and EditMacro function |
| 17:37.00 | durcyn | actually, adzapper can help the ipod touch, if you have control over the gateway you can transparently proxy with squid and shove it through the ad filter, no client reconfiguration is required |
| 17:37.10 | durcyn | or mobile safari can be configured to use a manual proxy, in a pinch |
| 17:37.55 | Lunessa | durcyn: *nod* He was griping about networks he didn't control. |
| 17:38.02 | alestane | Tino: They haven't blocked or disabled it. They do disable add-ons for sanctioned tournament matches, so anything you want to do in a macro, if you to be prepared to type in yourself during the setup period. |
| 17:38.18 | foxlit | Actually, my point was that one of wowi's ad providers is serving stuff that's probably not what wowi wants. |
| 17:38.31 | durcyn | the solution is obviously to carry around your own mobile access point in a backpack *nod* |
| 17:39.04 | Tino | alestane: well the problem with that is that you dont really know what arena ID the enemy class will have |
| 17:39.16 | Tino | The mage could be arena1-5 |
| 17:39.33 | durcyn | but we're focusing on the wrong thing entirely. i just found a copy of The Cube with Pink Floyd dubbed over it wizard-of-oz style. This is deeply disconcerting. |
| 17:39.40 | zenzelezz | so this whole Sea Shepherd thing has me amused. Ever since I watched Whale Wars on Animal Planet, I have little respect left for the protesters |
| 17:39.40 | foxlit | Tino: define "some powerfull stuff" |
| 17:39.40 | Tino | But with a addon you can identify that easy in the start and edit the macro just after the gates opend |
| 17:40.12 | foxlit | durcyn: mobile safari can use a proxy? Cannot find that in the config, really. |
| 17:40.14 | Tino | On top of my mind, you get macro conditions depending on the enemy class |
| 17:40.20 | Lunessa | durcyn: Sounds mildly entertaining. |
| 17:40.26 | foxlit | Tino: no, you don't. |
| 17:40.33 | durcyn | foxlit: can't it? lemme look at my jesusphone real quick |
| 17:40.39 | nevcairiel | anyone happen to have a spare spotify invite around? stupid free mode doesnt accept sign ups anymore :( |
| 17:40.41 | Tino | You could make a macro like /cast [enemyMage] hex |
| 17:41.05 | Tino | or /focus [enemyPriest] |
| 17:41.08 | foxlit | Tino: Ah. I'm inclined not to call that a conditional. |
| 17:41.24 | foxlit | Conditional would be /cast [if I'm targetting a mage] stuff; other stuff |
| 17:42.00 | durcyn | foxlit: it's configured per network connection, apparently, so it'd be under wifi |
| 17:42.09 | Tino | not really |
| 17:42.25 | Tino | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.36 | Tino | is in my mind a condition |
| 17:42.52 | alestane | No, that's an instruction. |
| 17:43.08 | alestane | That says "Cast heal on me." No conditions at all. |
| 17:43.21 | Tino | okay |
| 17:43.31 | Tino | but anyway, i think you get my point |
| 17:43.48 | foxlit | durcyn: ah, see it. Well, I suppose I could set something up then. |
| 17:43.49 | Lunessa | I can't find a way to enter a manual proxy in mobile safari either |
| 17:44.06 | alestane | Are you considered in combat for the entirety of an arena, or only when directly engaging other players? |
| 17:44.08 | Tino | Do you think a addon that gives me more functionality to edit the target instructions would be legal? |
| 17:44.24 | Lunessa | durcyn: Ahhh... I see what you mean now. |
| 17:44.39 | Grum | Tino: that addon wouldn't work ;) |
| 17:44.41 | durcyn | Lunessa: buh? |
| 17:44.50 | Tino | Grum, yes it would, why would it not? |
| 17:44.57 | Grum | because blizzard blocks it? :D |
| 17:44.57 | Lunessa | I found the proxy settings you meant. |
| 17:44.58 | foxlit | alestane: you can drink in arenas last time I checked. |
| 17:45.01 | Tino | i could create the addon in like a day |
| 17:45.13 | Tino | Grum they only block macro editing when you are in combat |
| 17:45.20 | Tino | you can edit a macro inside arena when you are not in combat |
| 17:45.31 | alestane | Tino: Not sure what you mean, but the stuff that figures out whether [harm] etc. is true is all done inside the C++. |
| 17:45.35 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?usable_in_arena=1 |
| 17:45.42 | Grum | Tino: yes, and how do you want to target the mage then? :P |
| 17:45.58 | Grum | because you need to write a macro that does: /targetexact <nameofmage> |
| 17:46.02 | Grum | and then /cast |
| 17:46.03 | Tino | the addon willl replace [enemyMage] with the mages arena Id |
| 17:46.14 | Tino | before: /cast [enemyMage] hex |
| 17:46.23 | Tino | After: /cast [@arena3] hex |
| 17:46.31 | Lunessa | Can't run "EditMacro" in combat. |
| 17:46.34 | Tino | nope |
| 17:46.35 | Tino | i know |
| 17:46.40 | Tino | but you are not in combat right away in arena |
| 17:46.43 | Grum | Tino: i guess they block macros in arenas too? or they will after you make that addon =D |
| 17:46.57 | Tino | It takes some seconds (10+) before the arena fight starts |
| 17:46.59 | foxlit | It's all futile. |
| 17:47.01 | Lunessa | And for sanctioned tournments you can't even use AddOns. |
| 17:47.11 | Grum | you can write a macro doing that |
| 17:47.17 | foxlit | You cannot effectively block addons from providing that functionality short of disabling all addons. |
| 17:47.20 | Adys | if its not something they want you to do, its not something you will be able to do |
| 17:47.21 | Tino | Gates open, You get the info you edit the macro, 10 seconds later or more, you are in combat |
| 17:47.41 | durcyn | you're describing things we're all already aware of, what exactlly is your point? |
| 17:47.50 | durcyn | minus an L or two |
| 17:48.07 | Tino | Well my question is more if its legal or not to use a addon like that |
| 17:48.14 | Adys | it is |
| 17:48.15 | Tino | since in my mind its really close to automated gameplay |
| 17:48.17 | Tino | and thats not okay |
| 17:48.29 | Tino | I dont want to make a addon, and then beeing in risk of getting a ban or something |
| 17:48.30 | foxlit | Get your mind adjusted :) |
| 17:48.37 | Adys | it is, and if they dont want you to do this, you will not be held responsible |
| 17:48.43 | alestane | Tino: If people start doing it, and Blizzard doesn't like it, they'll probably just disable macro editing in arenas. |
| 17:48.48 | Adys | exactly |
| 17:48.55 | foxlit | alestane: it won't work. |
| 17:49.00 | Tino | alestane: yea thats what i think too, i just trying to be on the safe side |
| 17:49.11 | Tino | i am* |
| 17:49.17 | Adys | Tino: you will not be held responsible, whatever happens |
| 17:49.22 | foxlit | alestane: even if they forced lockdown for the entire duration of the arena, addons can still work around it trivially. |
| 17:49.38 | Adys | like how? |
| 17:49.46 | Tino | well foxlit if they lockdown editmacro and createmacro inside arena, you cant do it |
| 17:49.59 | alestane | But how useful do you think it's really going to be? Not every group has a mage in it, and what will that button do if there isn't one? |
| 17:50.08 | foxlit | Tino: my point is that it's a flawed assumption. |
| 17:50.19 | Tino | alestane: well not really |
| 17:50.25 | foxlit | s/it'/that'/ |
| 17:50.43 | Grum | if you can do it, you can do it, if blizzard doesnt want it, then 3.3.1 will have it patched .. simple :) |
| 17:50.56 | Adys | foxlit: you still havent explained |
| 17:50.57 | Tino | alestane: you can make a macro sets your focus target to the best focus target of them all |
| 17:51.13 | foxlit | Adys: "press here if this is a mage" |
| 17:51.34 | Adys | theres a point where thats not practical anymore |
| 17:51.46 | Adys | i mean |
| 17:51.53 | Tino | For me i am a ele shaman, i want to shock other dps, and my priority is, warlock, shaman, mage |
| 17:51.58 | Tino | so a macro could be |
| 17:52.00 | Adys | levelling is shit-easy to do in wow, but they dont allow bots :) |
| 17:52.01 | foxlit | [You'll only have to do it once, when the gates open] |
| 17:52.20 | Adys | how would it edit the macro then? |
| 17:52.37 | foxlit | secure handlers. |
| 17:52.48 | Tino | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.53 | Adys | screw that, they can block all macro editing in arenas |
| 17:53.11 | foxlit | Adys: you don't have to EditMacro to edit a macro. |
| 17:53.29 | foxlit | There are other ways to execute them; nor are all macros in your UI managed by the macro system. |
| 17:53.44 | Grum | they can still block it? |
| 17:53.49 | foxlit | They can block all addons in arenas. That'd work. |
| 17:54.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (n=Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 17:54.14 | Adys | i agree its cat&mouse, but they can more easily block a specific function than addon authors can work around that shortcoming |
| 17:55.04 | Adys | and this is all theoretical, for all that matters they could make @enemyClass builtin |
| 17:55.16 | Tino | that would be best :D |
| 17:55.20 | Grum | they wont, its too much automation |
| 17:55.34 | foxlit | In short, they'd have to break both SABT and SHCT to do it |
| 17:55.41 | Adys | i heard a lot of "they wont" the past 5 years of my life |
| 17:55.43 | Tino | SABT? SHCT? |
| 17:55.54 | zenzelezz | SecureActionButtonTemplate |
| 17:55.55 | foxlit | I don't consider that a viable solution for this problem. |
| 17:56.10 | Adys | as i said |
| 17:56.13 | foxlit | and SecureHandlerClickTemplate |
| 17:56.13 | Adys | this is theoretical |
| 17:56.15 | Grum | Adys: it makes a decision for you and that is something they dont want |
| 17:56.29 | Adys | and maybe they'll change their mind? |
| 17:56.32 | Adys | dont just assume |
| 17:56.53 | foxlit | Actually, removing [target=] would work. |
| 17:57.03 | foxlit | And /target while you're at it. Small price to pay. |
| 17:57.04 | Tino | they will never do that |
| 17:57.08 | Grum | sofar they have systematically removed anything that 'makes decisions' |
| 17:57.20 | Adys | "dont just assume" applies to both sides Tino |
| 17:57.25 | Tino | Grum: not really, they have improved macros alot |
| 17:57.42 | Tino | Adys: well ofc i should never say never but still |
| 17:57.46 | Grum | yes but still making sure you cant get automation or decisions that would 'matter' |
| 17:57.48 | Tino | They have improved macros alot over the time |
| 17:58.02 | Tino | and i doubt they will take a step back from what they have already done |
| 17:58.09 | Adys | simple, if they dont want this theyll make it so you cant do it |
| 17:58.17 | Grum | or lets say, automation that wuold be preferred over *not* having that automation other than using things not on GCD :) |
| 17:58.21 | Adys | if they dont care or even want this, they might make it builtin |
| 17:58.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Pytlask (i=c64a263b@gateway/web/freenode/x-xbzkbmxlhfbucstc) |
| 17:59.09 | foxlit | Out of interest, why not remove /target? :) |
| 17:59.22 | Adys | because we dont know |
| 17:59.30 | Adys | they might |
| 17:59.31 | Grum | yeah that would 'fix' it for arenas |
| 17:59.35 | foxlit | I'm interested in why Tino thinks that's gamebreaking :) |
| 17:59.39 | Grum | well not really actually |
| 17:59.48 | Adys | he didnt say its gamebreaking |
| 17:59.54 | Adys | just thinks its unlikely they would do that |
| 17:59.56 | Adys | and i think so too |
| 18:00.00 | Grum | i still want to be able to do: /target [person who always gets ganked first]; /cast pain supression |
| 18:00.30 | Tino | Foxit well i think its walking the thing line between automated game play, and cleaver use of game mechanics |
| 18:00.42 | Adys | anyway Tino, go ahead with your addon, youll do everyone a service :p |
| 18:00.57 | alestane | They'll either break it or they won't. |
| 18:01.00 | alestane | And we'll know. |
| 18:01.03 | Adys | yep |
| 18:01.03 | Grum | yup :D |
| 18:01.14 | Grum | best way to check boundaries is to just run into them :p |
| 18:01.22 | Adys | in other news: I LOVE CSS - http://db.mmo-champion.com/t/2135/chimera-shot/ |
| 18:04.03 | Tino | Adys: yea i think i will start with it soon |
| 18:04.04 | Grum | oee rounded corners =D |
| 18:04.13 | Tino | Adys: already got some of the work done already |
| 18:04.15 | Grum | now look at the site in IE6.0! ;D |
| 18:04.23 | Adys | dont care about IE |
| 18:04.25 | Adys | but its not about IE |
| 18:04.33 | Adys | nesting tooltips is sexy as hell |
| 18:04.39 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/t/2135/chimera-shot/tooltip |
| 18:04.48 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (n=Thunder_@adsl-71-130-217-78.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 18:04.57 | Adys | one rule to rule them all |
| 18:05.09 | Grum | :D |
| 18:05.36 | Fisker | brrs Grum |
| 18:05.39 | TC-Away | css SUCKS |
| 18:05.41 | Adys | Grum: its gonna be sexier soon |
| 18:05.54 | Adys | when I add multiple ranks |
| 18:05.58 | Adys | up to 3 nests |
| 18:06.16 | Grum | CSS support by browsers is made out of fail, CSS itself is okish :) |
| 18:06.24 | Adys | to think of it, I might have meant scarier |
| 18:06.26 | Adys | and nah |
| 18:06.42 | Adys | i mean it doesnt even look that bad in ie7 |
| 18:06.46 | Adys | and i do no effort |
| 18:06.58 | Adys | s/ do/'ve made/ |
| 18:11.53 | *** join/#wowuidev airtonix (n=airtonix@ppp121-45-126-246.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net) |
| 18:17.22 | Thunder_Child | huh...google has a web url shortener... |
| 18:18.46 | Gnarfoz | they do |
| 18:20.50 | *** part/#wowuidev Tino (n=opera@81-231-107-118-no17.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 18:21.29 | cog|away | google's little baby loves shortenin', shortenin', google's little baby loves shortenin' links |
| 18:21.41 | cog|away | smacks himself |
| 18:22.17 | Lopeppeppy | Cog. Drink some caffeine and wake up, man!!! |
| 18:22.31 | Thunder_Child | or wine |
| 18:22.55 | Lopeppeppy | No, he breathes wine, he drinks caffeine. |
| 18:23.33 | cog|work | i'd drink wine if a) we even had it here out of barrels, b) it didn't cost $40 after the employee discount |
| 18:27.59 | cog|work | hmmm... caffeinated wine... now there's an idea! |
| 18:28.26 | Thunder_Child | it exists i think |
| 18:28.33 | alestane | Not a very good one, if the effects of Red Bull + Vodka are any indication. |
| 18:28.37 | Fisker | slaps alestane around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:28.40 | cog|work | alestane: agreed |
| 18:31.51 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmm... vodka. |
| 18:31.59 | Lopeppeppy | Cannot have the vodka. Mmm, vodka |
| 18:32.09 | alestane | You still dry for the pain meds? |
| 18:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | Will be for... the foreseeable future. But vodka and I don't mix anyway, so I wouldn't make it my "one drink before dinner" if I broke the rule. |
| 18:33.47 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder. |
| 18:34.09 | Fisker | ĆĀ |
| 18:34.30 | foxlit | fread takes a separate size and count size_t values; wonder why. |
| 18:37.10 | KarlKFI|work | cog|work: you can buy caffine powder and sprinkle it on your food |
| 18:37.47 | cog|work | KarlKFI|work: i've seriously considered that on occasion... |
| 18:37.50 | Lopeppeppy | Trust KarlKFI|work to lead you to the darker side of caffeine... |
| 18:38.06 | KarlKFI|work | looks at the Voltage in his hand. |
| 18:38.33 | cog|work | mountain dew needs moar caffeine imo... a can is only about 1/2 the caffeine of a cup of drip coffee |
| 18:38.37 | KarlKFI|work | remembers how hard it was to get out of bed this morning. |
| 18:39.14 | KarlKFI|work | you have large cups cog |
| 18:39.30 | cog|work | 8 oz cup of coffee = 100 mg caffeine iirc |
| 18:40.02 | foxlit | Adys: I wonder what you make of http://www.go-hero.net/box/Robe_RaidWarlock_C_02Black_Glove_HA_U.blp |
| 18:40.05 | cog|work | 100-150 in fact |
| 18:40.11 | KarlKFI|work | Coffee, Drip 115-175 |
| 18:40.20 | KarlKFI|work | Mountain Dew 55.0 |
| 18:40.39 | KarlKFI|work | that might explain why i'm not a complete addict |
| 18:40.51 | Lunessa | KarlKFI: Do you have caffeinated soap yet? |
| 18:40.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=Thunder_@adsl-71-130-208-127.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 18:41.02 | KarlKFI|work | nah, i like my soap citrusy |
| 18:41.08 | cog|work | i got some... pretty sure any effect it has is placebo |
| 18:41.25 | KarlKFI|work | i've considered a caffine drip IV tho |
| 18:41.42 | KarlKFI|work | Starbucks Grande Coffee (16 oz)330 |
| 18:41.46 | cog|work | unless you sit there and rub the whole bar and just sit there covered with soap for an hour i HIGHLY doubt you're actually absorbing any significant amount |
| 18:42.11 | cog|work | but the minty freshness is nice and awakening :) |
| 18:42.18 | Thunder_Child | but you are inhaling it |
| 18:43.00 | KarlKFI|work | http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/c399/ |
| 18:43.14 | KarlKFI|work | that page distracted me fromt eh caffine pages |
| 18:44.19 | KarlKFI|work | oooo caffinated meat! now we're talking.... http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/candy/c8d6/ |
| 18:46.38 | Adys | foxlit: my reader doesnt handle it |
| 18:46.42 | Adys | IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument |
| 18:46.56 | Adys | when trying to seek to the first offset |
| 18:47.00 | Lunessa | KarlKFI: 2 litre IV drip to a central vein? |
| 18:47.18 | foxlit | Mm, yes. |
| 18:47.32 | Adys | foxlit: the game reads it correctly? |
| 18:47.34 | Lopeppeppy | wants candy! Perky Jerky is not candy, the category lies! |
| 18:47.40 | foxlit | seeking to 0xffffffff might be problematic. |
| 18:48.26 | KarlKFI|work | how many sprays of this would it take to equal a cup of coffee... http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/candy/9f5d/ |
| 18:48.38 | Adys | foxlit: how's it supposed to be handled? |
| 18:48.43 | KarlKFI|work | 8ml = 1400mg |
| 18:48.48 | foxlit | Adys: I don't know. The game does something strange. |
| 18:48.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Keias (n=bleh@pool-72-86-106-233.aubnin.fios.verizon.net) |
| 18:48.59 | Adys | screenshot? |
| 18:49.03 | KarlKFI|work | so... 14 cups fo coffee rounded |
| 18:49.29 | foxlit | Don't have one atm. |
| 18:49.29 | KarlKFI|work | but i garentee you it has more than 28 sprays.... |
| 18:49.33 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.34 | Fisker | So how long is that number? |
| 18:49.47 | Fisker | My guess is that it's 2699999990000 digits long |
| 18:49.49 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 18:49.59 | KarlKFI|work | so it'd prolly be like 10ml per spray if i had to guess |
| 18:50.07 | KarlKFI|work | or less |
| 18:50.16 | KarlKFI|work | useless |
| 18:50.34 | _rane | is there an api call for accepting cross-realm lfg popup? |
| 18:50.45 | foxlit | surely. |
| 18:51.01 | _rane | can't find it on wowwiki |
| 18:51.30 | Adys | foxlit: off to bed, ill look further into it tomorrow |
| 18:51.30 | Lopeppeppy | did you try wowprogramming? |
| 18:52.04 | KarlKFI|work | Foosh mints might be better. 100mg per mint |
| 18:52.13 | foxlit | I'm going to guess it's AcceptProposal |
| 18:52.27 | ckknight | _rane: Get the name of the button, then do button:Click() |
| 18:52.27 | ckknight | :P |
| 18:52.51 | Lopeppeppy | http://wowprogramming.com/docs |
| 18:53.11 | foxlit | Doesn't help in this case. |
| 18:53.48 | foxlit | But it is AcceptProposal |
| 18:54.02 | _rane | thanks, I'll try it |
| 18:57.11 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (n=stolenle@d86-33-7-106.cust.tele2.at) |
| 18:59.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Aelobin (n=Aelobin@89-168-162-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 18:59.57 | Lunessa | KarlKFI: We're like... the last guys ever ... who need to get more wired. |
| 19:02.18 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (i=smcn@c-174-52-39-78.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 19:04.42 | Lopeppeppy | Amen to that. :P |
| 19:06.34 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (n=Thunder_@adsl-71-140-64-77.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 19:06.51 | durcyn | http://beehuman.blogspot.com/2010/01/honey-panic.html oh, to be a TSA officer. |
| 19:06.58 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away_ (n=Thunder_@adsl-71-140-64-77.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 19:10.00 | Fisker | calls durcyn a traitor |
| 19:10.01 | TC-Away_ | http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/all/ is your one stop caffeine shop for all things retarded |
| 19:10.04 | Fisker | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8061979.stm |
| 19:11.16 | Thunder_Child | lol, bacon jellybeans |
| 19:12.49 | *** join/#wowuidev dustin__ (n=dustin@pool-173-57-80-36.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) |
| 19:15.20 | jnwhiteh | _rane: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/AcceptBattlefieldPort |
| 19:15.25 | jnwhiteh | as Lopeppeppy said, took about 3 seconds to find. |
| 19:15.31 | _rane | ... |
| 19:15.42 | _rane | it was AcceptProposal() |
| 19:15.45 | _rane | as mentioned twice already |
| 19:16.04 | jnwhiteh | oh, LFG popup |
| 19:16.06 | jnwhiteh | and no need to be bitcy |
| 19:16.36 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/319916164 |
| 19:18.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Norsken (n=xkxaxn@84-217-6-0.tn.glocalnet.net) |
| 19:18.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan@c-76-107-191-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 19:18.28 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 19:19.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Dekster (n=chatzill@pool-71-108-4-152.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 19:20.09 | Fisker | you! |
| 19:20.16 | Fisker | jetlag? :P |
| 19:20.53 | *** join/#wowuidev kdtresh (n=kdtresh@76.212.99.109) |
| 19:21.22 | jnwhiteh | no, acutally |
| 19:21.25 | jnwhiteh | i slept well on te plane |
| 19:21.30 | Fisker | :o |
| 19:21.35 | Thunder_Child | bitches @ jnwhiteh |
| 19:21.40 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 19:22.02 | Thunder_Child | you know that puts you in the minority |
| 19:22.21 | Thunder_Child | most people can not seem to sleep on planes regardless of duration |
| 19:23.14 | jnwhiteh | yeah, I was lucky this time |
| 19:23.19 | jnwhiteh | it was a red eye, and I slept for most of it following the meal |
| 19:23.23 | jnwhiteh | so I got 6 hours sleep or so |
| 19:23.45 | Lopeppeppy | Nice if you can swing it! |
| 19:23.53 | Lopeppeppy | I just do not sleep on public transport. |
| 19:24.06 | alestane | It's hard. |
| 19:24.07 | Thunder_Child | i have fallen asleep on buses |
| 19:24.13 | Thunder_Child | thats not so good |
| 19:24.30 | alestane | I took an overnight bus to Tokyo from Imabari and then back the next night, and that was kind of rough. |
| 19:27.46 | *** join/#wowuidev EthanCentaurai (n=ethan@78.149.136.245) |
| 19:31.30 | Fisker | so jnwhiteh ready? ;3 |
| 19:32.08 | *** join/#wowuidev tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 19:32.08 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 19:32.09 | *** join/#wowuidev spode (i=spode@213.21.89.233) |
| 19:32.18 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 19:32.19 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 19:32.40 | Fisker | :(! |
| 19:33.50 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Glad you had a decent flight and have arrived "home" safely. |
| 19:35.36 | Antiarc | That reminds me, how many of you are on twitter? |
| 19:35.46 | Antiarc | I'm cheald, I want some WoW people to follow. |
| 19:36.07 | Dagmar | I'd make a twitter account, but some people's heads would explode |
| 19:36.28 | Dagmar | I already made a Facebook account this month and scared some people half to death. |
| 19:37.32 | Fisker | i'd make a twitter account but social networking sucks |
| 19:42.42 | alestane | Fisker: It requires you be social, yes. |
| 19:43.47 | Fisker | oh u alestane |
| 19:43.59 | Fisker | Isn't the issue though alestane |
| 19:44.40 | Fisker | Though that jnwhiteh guy should get some sleep so he can get me a nexus one :P |
| 19:48.01 | durcyn | how badly do you want one, fisker |
| 19:48.02 | nicoli_s | fisker wheres my sc2 |
| 19:50.00 | Fisker | where's my nexus one? |
| 19:50.10 | nicoli_s | mexican stand off, gimme sc2, then you get yer shit |
| 19:50.17 | Fisker | naw |
| 19:50.22 | Fisker | though beta will start soon! |
| 19:50.29 | nicoli_s | youve been saying that for 8 months |
| 19:50.44 | Fisker | actually i think it's only like 7 months |
| 19:52.13 | Dagmar | Beta for what? |
| 19:52.30 | Dagmar | Oh, Sc2. Pfft. |
| 19:52.40 | Dagmar | I thought you were talking about Nexus One at first |
| 19:52.54 | Fisker | we were |
| 19:53.15 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure they won't work on Sprint, but I have hopes |
| 19:54.04 | Dagmar | They're puttin' the hurt on Apple and AT&T |
| 19:54.15 | Fisker | baw |
| 19:54.32 | durcyn | seeing as no US carriers use the same frequencies, no, it won't work until sprint signs on. |
| 19:54.46 | durcyn | it'll be a moot point once LTE is widespread, but that's years yet |
| 19:54.50 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: looks like it'd be about 716 usd |
| 19:54.53 | Dagmar | They do use some of hte same freqs. |
| 19:54.55 | jnwhiteh | if I get charged duty |
| 19:54.57 | jnwhiteh | in addition to VAT |
| 19:55.12 | Dagmar | It's more of a matter of there's two separate sets of systems because of it tho |
| 19:55.18 | Fisker | removed the adapter right? |
| 19:55.19 | alestane | PCS service is in the 1.9Ghz band IIRC. |
| 19:55.30 | durcyn | Dagmar: AT&T and T-Mobile use the same CDMA band, i'm not aware of any GSM carriers using the same in the states |
| 19:55.36 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 19:55.43 | Dagmar | Either the service provider is using hte freqs that GSM phones can use or they're not mainly |
| 19:55.47 | Fisker | a little save there :P |
| 19:55.51 | jnwhiteh | so $691 |
| 19:56.03 | jnwhiteh | I am so jealous that I'm buying you one |
| 19:56.05 | jnwhiteh | and I don't get one |
| 19:56.05 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 19:56.05 | alestane | Verizon uses, or used, CDMA in the 800MHz band. I think AT&T uses GSM in the 800MHz band. |
| 19:56.18 | Fisker | :P |
| 19:56.25 | Fisker | how much do you think it is to ship to dk? |
| 19:56.29 | Dagmar | I've jumped providers more than a few times |
| 19:56.50 | jnwhiteh | absolutely no idea |
| 19:56.56 | Dagmar | The only reason I'm stuck with Sprint right now has to do with all the sheet rock on campus, and that Sprint has literally put repeaters on every third building around here |
| 19:57.30 | Fisker | well i could send you ĆĀ£435 to begin with then i could send the shipping when you find out |
| 19:58.13 | Dagmar | Oh crap |
| 19:58.17 | Dagmar | I might acutally be able to use one |
| 19:58.21 | jnwhiteh | I'd have to see what the actual currency conversion charge is. |
| 19:58.26 | jnwhiteh | since there will inevitably be one. |
| 19:58.29 | Fisker | you guys pay for that? |
| 19:58.42 | jnwhiteh | i dont know anyone that doesn't =) |
| 19:59.01 | Fisker | oh yeah could be the rate is different at your place |
| 19:59.07 | Fisker | was talking about fees for conversion |
| 19:59.27 | jnwhiteh | on a credit card, its 2% of the transaction, but you get the wholesale rate |
| 19:59.31 | Dagmar | GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz) <-- w00t |
| 19:59.51 | Fisker | dunno how it is here then :P |
| 20:00.17 | Fisker | not anything silly like 10$ or something like i've heard some other countries have |
| 20:00.44 | Fisker | that's only GSM and EDGE though Dagmar |
| 20:01.35 | jnwhiteh | i wish i could afford one |
| 20:01.38 | jnwhiteh | but *shrug* |
| 20:02.45 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: how do we deal with the lag time in the transfer |
| 20:03.07 | Fisker | idk |
| 20:03.11 | jnwhiteh | since I can't afford to buy it without having the money in that account |
| 20:04.17 | Fisker | as far as i can see the transfer takes 2 days |
| 20:04.22 | Fisker | if before 1PM |
| 20:04.31 | Fisker | so that'll be saturday |
| 20:05.40 | Dagmar | Fisker: They've a CDMA model coming out actually |
| 20:06.34 | *** part/#wowuidev boshi23 (n=chris@c-68-36-37-83.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 20:07.01 | Fisker | you'd figure that between EU countries it wouldn't be that big of a deal :P |
| 20:07.06 | *** join/#wowuidev mascondante (n=kvirc@99-196-50-165.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 20:07.29 | jnwhiteh | it may arrive sooner |
| 20:07.41 | *** join/#wowuidev ShadowFire (n=vhbx@athedsl-4560668.home.otenet.gr) |
| 20:07.41 | jnwhiteh | I don't have my IBAN on me =/ |
| 20:07.49 | Fisker | :I |
| 20:08.09 | jnwhiteh | cehcking |
| 20:08.35 | ShadowFire | is the luac-wow.exe for debuging .lua files ? |
| 20:08.47 | Fisker | Also need a "BIC" thingy |
| 20:08.47 | jnwhiteh | its for compiling lua files. |
| 20:08.51 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: ?? |
| 20:08.52 | jnwhiteh | bIC? |
| 20:09.00 | Fisker | Bank Identifier Code |
| 20:09.07 | jnwhiteh | ummm |
| 20:09.09 | ShadowFire | why do you need to compile a lua file? |
| 20:09.18 | jnwhiteh | YOU probably don't. |
| 20:09.27 | Fisker | they say here it's also called a "swift address" |
| 20:09.28 | ShadowFire | the wow client takes them with the source code |
| 20:09.32 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 20:09.32 | ShadowFire | so what's the luac-wow for? |
| 20:09.34 | jnwhiteh | SWIFT |
| 20:09.37 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 20:09.39 | jnwhiteh | for compiling .lua files |
| 20:09.52 | ShadowFire | yes but how that can help me |
| 20:09.55 | jnwhiteh | it can't. |
| 20:09.57 | ShadowFire | on writing addons |
| 20:10.04 | jnwhiteh | you don't know enough to do anythign with the output |
| 20:10.12 | jnwhiteh | but you may in the future. |
| 20:10.24 | ShadowFire | the output is not even an exe |
| 20:10.29 | jnwhiteh | no, of course not. |
| 20:10.32 | jnwhiteh | its a compile lua file |
| 20:10.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Repo (n=supybot@repos.curseforge.net) |
| 20:10.39 | jnwhiteh | which you'll almost certainly never use. |
| 20:10.46 | jnwhiteh | you might use luac -p |
| 20:10.47 | ShadowFire | with what program should i look the output file? |
| 20:10.48 | zenzelezz | ShadowFire: how did you discover luac-wow.exe? |
| 20:10.48 | jnwhiteh | but that's about it. |
| 20:10.52 | jnwhiteh | ShadowFire: just ignore it |
| 20:11.02 | ShadowFire | no i wanna know :P |
| 20:11.09 | jnwhiteh | well, i dont have time to explain it |
| 20:11.11 | jnwhiteh | so have fun =) |
| 20:11.13 | ShadowFire | well the -l gets some info |
| 20:11.22 | zenzelezz | where did you find it, and why? |
| 20:11.37 | ShadowFire | i was looking for lua |
| 20:11.54 | ShadowFire | and i found that that it is supposed to be for wow specifivly |
| 20:12.03 | ShadowFire | but i don't know how to use it |
| 20:12.18 | zenzelezz | it's basically the same as luac.exe, but with some quirks that WoW's interpreter has |
| 20:12.19 | ShadowFire | and the output file |
| 20:12.26 | ShadowFire | looks all messed uop in notepad |
| 20:12.29 | zenzelezz | for making addons you don't do anything like compiling, you just make raw lua files |
| 20:12.56 | ShadowFire | yes |
| 20:13.02 | ShadowFire | so why they madew this program? |
| 20:13.12 | jnwhiteh | because, Lua is used extensively.. outside of WoW. |
| 20:13.13 | ShadowFire | with the wow functions inside? |
| 20:13.22 | jnwhiteh | because there are uses for it |
| 20:13.26 | zenzelezz | because some people are very knowledgeable about how lua works, and those people can have use of it |
| 20:13.27 | jnwhiteh | and it doesn't 'have the wow functions inside'. |
| 20:13.33 | zenzelezz | less knowledgeable people like you and me don't |
| 20:13.45 | ShadowFire | so name 1 use for it |
| 20:13.50 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 20:14.04 | ShadowFire | i didn't downloaded it for nothing |
| 20:14.12 | zenzelezz | so why DID you download it? |
| 20:14.18 | zenzelezz | if you don't know what it's for |
| 20:14.21 | ShadowFire | to help me write addons |
| 20:14.29 | zenzelezz | it doesn't help you write addons |
| 20:14.41 | nevcairiel | well if you're good enough, it might |
| 20:14.45 | ShadowFire | then what it does?..and why it does it? |
| 20:14.46 | nevcairiel | but i dont think thats the case here |
| 20:14.49 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: don't give him ideas |
| 20:14.56 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 20:15.13 | tem | Anyone around that's used asp.net a lot? |
| 20:15.20 | zenzelezz | ShadowFire: if you don't know how the normal luac works, then ignore this. It won't be of any use to you |
| 20:16.04 | ShadowFire | well i also downloaded a program named scite...and i think it has something to do with lua also |
| 20:16.11 | zenzelezz | not really |
| 20:16.23 | zenzelezz | scite is an editor, you can use it for writing lua, but in itself it doesn't have anything to do with it |
| 20:16.28 | Esamynn | but zenzelezz, I want you to explain how the world works! |
| 20:16.32 | Esamynn | oh and do it in 5 minutes! |
| 20:16.37 | Dagmar | It's mainly about doing annoying math in a thesis paper |
| 20:17.28 | ShadowFire | so i'll just script without a program? |
| 20:19.26 | Dagmar | Sure. |
| 20:20.20 | ShadowFire | ok... |
| 20:21.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Gryphon (n=gryphon@c-71-227-239-71.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 20:22.16 | Esamynn | ShadowFire: what exactly are you trying to do? learn to write an AddOn? |
| 20:22.35 | ShadowFire | yes |
| 20:22.46 | ShadowFire | i have seen the first 2 addons |
| 20:23.21 | ShadowFire | show my the money and heolloworld :P |
| 20:23.21 | ShadowFire | but i am still unfamiliar with .lua and .xml files |
| 20:23.39 | ShadowFire | i think i have figured out .toc tho :P |
| 20:23.45 | olafski | it's a start ;p |
| 20:23.56 | Esamynn | do you have any programming knowledge? |
| 20:24.00 | zenzelezz | it's difficult to just "teach" how to make addons; do you have any specific ideas of something you want to make? |
| 20:24.07 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: we could just do paypal if you want |
| 20:24.11 | jnwhiteh | you'd have to send me 711.95 tho |
| 20:24.12 | ShadowFire | not much..just a general idea |
| 20:24.14 | jnwhiteh | its a 20.95 charge |
| 20:24.25 | Fisker | probably easier |
| 20:24.39 | jnwhiteh | and then i could (in theory) make a temp credit card and pay the google transaction with that amount |
| 20:24.49 | jnwhiteh | so its 711.95 to send 691 |
| 20:24.53 | jnwhiteh | which is what we said we're going with |
| 20:24.54 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 20:24.59 | Fisker | yeah |
| 20:25.09 | Fisker | do you want them in USD or GPB? |
| 20:25.09 | tem | ShadowFire, how familliar are you with lua as a langage? |
| 20:25.13 | Fisker | dunno how paypal works :P |
| 20:25.14 | jnwhiteh | oh noes! |
| 20:25.19 | ShadowFire | i am not familiar |
| 20:25.21 | tem | if not very much at all, then you need to read pil |
| 20:25.22 | jnwhiteh | it says it'll be more ify ou're sending from another country |
| 20:25.23 | tem | ~pil |
| 20:25.24 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 20:25.24 | ShadowFire | that's the problem |
| 20:25.31 | jnwhiteh | we'd need 719.35 then |
| 20:25.33 | jnwhiteh | http://www.rolbe.com/paypal.htm |
| 20:25.34 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: You're a nice fellow. Going to a lot of work so the fiskerdin can have his google phone. |
| 20:25.35 | jnwhiteh | is what im' using |
| 20:25.40 | tem | it's for lua 5.0, but the differences are "trivial" |
| 20:25.52 | nicoli_s | especially since fisker is gonna find some way to scam him in the end |
| 20:26.01 | Fisker | alright jnwhiteh |
| 20:26.07 | tem | once you have a firm grasp on lua, moving that knowledge into wow isn't difficult |
| 20:26.15 | nicoli_s | like how he scammed me into not getting sc2 in time |
| 20:26.18 | durcyn | jnwhiteh, if you keep fisker's money, i'll double it. |
| 20:26.19 | tem | for that, I reccomend the book available at wowprogramming.com |
| 20:26.21 | Fisker | just sending 720 then |
| 20:26.25 | Fisker | lol durcyn :P |
| 20:26.28 | Fisker | giev e-mail btw |
| 20:26.38 | tem | or just tooling around and figuring it out yourself if that's your thing |
| 20:26.49 | tem | but a firm grasp of lua is absolutely essential |
| 20:26.59 | jnwhiteh | lol durcyn |
| 20:26.59 | tem | so start there |
| 20:27.00 | ShadowFire | what about xml ? |
| 20:27.02 | jnwhiteh | so i'd get two nexus ones! |
| 20:27.05 | tem | trivial |
| 20:27.07 | jnwhiteh | brilliant! |
| 20:27.10 | tem | learn lua first |
| 20:27.11 | nicoli_s | xml isnt too necessary at first |
| 20:27.15 | *** join/#wowuidev DWSR (n=doingwha@24.114.252.244) |
| 20:27.16 | Esamynn | ^^ |
| 20:27.27 | tem | _really_ learn lua |
| 20:27.27 | durcyn | xml is never necessary |
| 20:27.30 | Esamynn | you can pick up the XML as you go |
| 20:27.32 | Pneumatus | s/too neccesary at first/neccesary at all/ |
| 20:27.41 | tem | go through PiL and follow the examples |
| 20:27.44 | DWSR | Anyone here use ShadowedUF? |
| 20:27.48 | durcyn | actually, can we move on to 'considered harmful' for XML yet? |
| 20:27.49 | Esamynn | picking up Lua, and a general knowledge of programming is the first and most important step |
| 20:27.50 | tem | play around with the concepts as you go |
| 20:27.56 | Esamynn | durcyn: no |
| 20:28.01 | nicoli_s | yah i mean all of the addons ive done dont need xml |
| 20:28.09 | tem | DWSR, you could just ask Shadowed if you have a question |
| 20:28.17 | DWSR | ~seen Shadowed |
| 20:28.19 | purl | shadowed <n=outlaw@c-98-207-200-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 15h 24m 17s ago, saying: 'nor does LHC'. |
| 20:28.27 | tem | pestering him about his addons is in my top 5 things to do while bored |
| 20:28.28 | ShadowFire | xml is for interface right? |
| 20:28.38 | DWSR | Or, I could ask why the fuck SUF keeps breaking |
| 20:28.41 | DWSR | But he's AFK. |
| 20:28.49 | ShadowFire | how do you use addons without interface nicoli? |
| 20:28.57 | tem | *headdesk* |
| 20:28.59 | tem | just read pil |
| 20:29.02 | tem | and get back to us |
| 20:29.23 | ShadowFire | ye sure you are right |
| 20:29.43 | tem | I've been doing this for a very long time |
| 20:29.48 | tem | I know what I'm talking about here |
| 20:29.49 | nicoli_s | shadowfire, the addons i do are for data collection |
| 20:30.13 | nicoli_s | dont need an interface, just print out some chat messages and save some variables |
| 20:30.20 | Esamynn | ShadowFire: picking up the World of Warcraft Programming book will help, it's not essential, but it's a good starting place |
| 20:30.31 | zenzelezz | im in ur global envirunment, stealin ur dataz |
| 20:30.31 | tem | wowprogramming.com |
| 20:30.50 | Esamynn | ~fishslap zenzelezz |
| 20:30.50 | purl | ACTION slaps zenzelezz up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 20:31.26 | ShadowFire | well thx for the help all you where more helpful than i expected |
| 20:31.32 | ShadowFire | i'll see what i can do :P |
| 20:31.54 | Esamynn | you're welcome |
| 20:31.59 | zenzelezz | just do things a little at a time or you'll get overwhelmed |
| 20:32.21 | tem | definitely agree, zenzelezz |
| 20:32.26 | *** join/#wowuidev spode (i=spode@213.21.89.233) |
| 20:32.29 | ShadowFire | ye the beggining is the roughest part i guess |
| 20:32.44 | tem | it's very easy to get overwhelmed |
| 20:33.10 | alestane | It helps if you start with the question, "What's something about the WoW interface as I'm using it now that I'm not happy with?" |
| 20:33.25 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 20:33.50 | alestane | From there you can proceed to "How would I rather it act instead?" |
| 20:34.20 | alestane | And once you know those two things, you can get started on "How do I change one to the other?" |
| 20:34.53 | Lunessa | DWSR: I used SUF. |
| 20:35.07 | DWSR | Why past tense? |
| 20:35.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Droolio (n=drool@87-194-188-170.bethere.co.uk) |
| 20:35.26 | Lunessa | Typo. |
| 20:35.35 | Fisker | rages |
| 20:35.40 | Lunessa | s/used/use |
| 20:36.13 | DWSR | ugh, I'm looking for a decent Btex layout. |
| 20:36.21 | DWSR | And there are none I like. Am I being picky? |
| 20:36.35 | Lunessa | My layout for it is really basic. I'm doing very little "fancy" with it, unless you count coloring some of the text. |
| 20:37.18 | Lunessa | DWSR: I think all of those basically suck. |
| 20:40.13 | DWSR | Do people like...have all of their action bars on screen all the time? |
| 20:40.23 | DWSR | I look at these layouts and people have like 45 buttons on their screen n shit. |
| 20:44.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Gryphon (n=gryphon@c-71-227-239-71.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 20:45.29 | foxlit | They're mad. |
| 20:45.53 | foxlit | In fact, I should figure out some way to cut my 12-button bar to a 6-button bar |
| 20:46.02 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:46.10 | DWSR | I use BT4 to page my 1 action bar. |
| 20:46.26 | DWSR | So I have 12 buttons on my screen, plus another 12 for various other keybinds/quick use items |
| 20:46.36 | foxlit | Can't reach the upper 6 buttons anyway |
| 20:47.24 | foxlit | But boring stuff like remove curse/poison, healthstones, etc, need to be somewhere. |
| 20:47.35 | foxlit | I should probably clique them, but meh. |
| 20:48.18 | Lunessa | I only use clique on my Priest for Disease and Magic |
| 20:48.31 | ZorbaTHut | different classes need different numbers of buttons |
| 20:48.49 | ZorbaTHut | my rogue probably uses less than six ever, my warrior uses more than six just in his default general-purpose rotation |
| 20:49.19 | ZorbaTHut | unless I'm DPSing in which case it's back to, like, four. |
| 20:51.15 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I can't see many people needing to use more than 12. |
| 20:51.34 | foxlit | You could probably macro every spec down to 6. |
| 20:51.35 | DWSR | But these people have like 5 rows of goddamned buttons on their screen. |
| 20:51.40 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (n=Thunder_@ppp-71-140-200-244.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 20:51.52 | foxlit | Plus some overflow ability binding mechanism. |
| 20:51.53 | DWSR | foxlit: I'd say more like 8, but yeah. |
| 20:52.30 | foxlit | So things like Last Stand or Heroism or Icy Veins still get a button, it's just not shown to you all the time. |
| 20:52.58 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away_ (n=Thunder_@ppp-71-140-200-244.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 20:54.29 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, shield slam, shield block, devastate, revenge, shockwave, concussion blow for my standard rotation. heroic throw for pulls, shield bash for silences, disarm and spell reflect for certain bosses. last stand, enraged regeneration, gift of the naaru, shield wall for panic buttons. five different shouts for buffing/debuffing, CC, and AoE taunt. charge, intercept, intervene for mobility. bloodrage and berserker rage for rage and taunt itse |
| 20:54.29 | ZorbaTHut | lf for the obvious. |
| 20:54.46 | ZorbaTHut | 25 buttons I use regularly. |
| 20:55.35 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: You don't need ER, GotN on your bars. |
| 20:56.17 | ZorbaTHut | speak for yourself, I've prevented wipes with those :P (admittedly I tend to mash them simultaneously, they could just be macroed) |
| 20:56.23 | DWSR | Right. |
| 20:56.32 | ZorbaTHut | (but that's still one button instead of two) |
| 20:56.49 | DWSR | Charge/intercept can also be one button. |
| 20:57.11 | ZorbaTHut | I actually have intercept/intervene on a single button, with charge separate, but yes, it's possible to combine those three abilities into two. |
| 20:57.25 | ZorbaTHut | I also have shield block macroed to shield slam. |
| 20:57.27 | DWSR | and if you're tanking, you're still rage starved? |
| 20:57.32 | ZorbaTHut | sometimes, yup |
| 20:57.41 | DWSR | Tanking current/recent content? |
| 20:57.42 | ZorbaTHut | sometimes you hit a string of parries or dodges or misses |
| 20:57.49 | DWSR | You still get rage from those. |
| 20:57.53 | ZorbaTHut | tanking at 80, especially in heroics |
| 20:58.02 | DWSR | rofl heroics. |
| 20:58.05 | ZorbaTHut | if you do, you don't get enough. I end up ragestarved pretty regularly. |
| 20:58.07 | DWSR | Sorry, they don't count. |
| 20:58.18 | ZorbaTHut | I thought we were talking about how many buttons you needed to play a class |
| 20:58.35 | ZorbaTHut | not how many buttons you needed to play a class in only the situations that DWSR authorizes as being important :P |
| 20:58.40 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:58.51 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: If you're tanking heroics in your tank gear still, you're doing it wrong. |
| 20:59.00 | DWSR | Just throw on your DPS set and go to school. |
| 20:59.14 | zenzelezz | what DPS set? |
| 20:59.23 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* I prefer to do it in tank gear 'cause that way I can pull two or three groups at once and the AoE can go to town. |
| 20:59.33 | Esamynn | ^ |
| 20:59.35 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: GG whirlwind. |
| 20:59.41 | zenzelezz | QQ whirlwind |
| 20:59.48 | zenzelezz | Shockwave and Thunderclap |
| 20:59.49 | ZorbaTHut | what about whirlwind? :P |
| 21:00.05 | ZorbaTHut | whirlwind's a pretty crummy aoe threat button with multiple groups |
| 21:00.15 | ZorbaTHut | it's four targets at most |
| 21:00.27 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Heroic groups aren't more than 4. |
| 21:00.37 | nevcairiel | if you pull 3 groups, they are! |
| 21:00.39 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:00.43 | ZorbaTHut | 4 * 2 = 8 |
| 21:00.46 | ZorbaTHut | math is your friend |
| 21:01.16 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: My point is, there's some buttons that are so situational that you use them very rarely. |
| 21:01.36 | ZorbaTHut | and my point is that if you don't have those buttons available, you're not playing your class right. |
| 21:01.39 | zenzelezz | it all boils down to play style |
| 21:01.51 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Right, but do you need 45 buttons? |
| 21:02.02 | ZorbaTHut | playing well isn't about performing adequately in the small number of optimal cases. it's about dealing with shit when it gets fucked. |
| 21:02.15 | DWSR | I'm pretty sure that as a Demo lock I don't even have 45 buttons worth of actions to do. |
| 21:02.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Hautian (n=chatzill@00096BD595AD.cpe.persona.ca) |
| 21:02.30 | ZorbaTHut | well, personally, I actually have 72 buttons on my screen, though a chunk of them are for out-of-combat stuff and some of them are just there for spacing between groups |
| 21:02.33 | zenzelezz | warriors are not demo locks |
| 21:02.44 | ZorbaTHut | I have, however, just listed 25 actions that I do regularly in combat |
| 21:02.49 | ZorbaTHut | while pointing out that on my rogue, it's about six. |
| 21:02.55 | ZorbaTHut | not all classes are made equally. |
| 21:02.59 | DWSR | 72 buttons, jesus christ. |
| 21:03.03 | DWSR | Click bindings. |
| 21:03.14 | DWSR | Or hidden bindings. |
| 21:03.20 | ZorbaTHut | why hide 'em? |
| 21:03.30 | DWSR | Why do you need more boxes on your screen? |
| 21:03.30 | Esamynn | and if you don't care to memorize them? |
| 21:03.34 | ZorbaTHut | I keep my buttons laid out in the same pattern as my keyboard is, so I can just glance and use positional memory to see what's on cooldown and what isn't |
| 21:03.41 | ZorbaTHut | they're also rather small and at the bottom of my screen |
| 21:03.46 | DWSR | Esamynn: You will just naturally memorize what's where. |
| 21:03.52 | Esamynn | eventually |
| 21:04.20 | zenzelezz | playing on 1900x1200, your actionbars don't take much space |
| 21:04.25 | zenzelezz | 1920 |
| 21:04.37 | DWSR | zenzelezz: I'm playing on 1680x1050 and the UI scale turned to minimum |
| 21:04.42 | DWSR | My action bars are positively miniscule. |
| 21:04.48 | DWSR | And I still have only 1. |
| 21:04.55 | Esamynn | I play at 1700x1000 =D |
| 21:05.00 | Fisker | so jnwhiteh how's researching going? :P |
| 21:05.03 | zenzelezz | good for you DWSR |
| 21:05.05 | kd3 | great. you play a class where that's possible. not all of us do |
| 21:05.27 | jnwhiteh | not doing any right now? |
| 21:05.30 | jnwhiteh | was i suposeds to be? |
| 21:05.34 | DWSR | kd3: I only have one displayed. I have 1-= + Shift/Ctrl/Alt bound. |
| 21:05.48 | Fisker | well i need your paypal address :P |
| 21:05.51 | jnwhiteh | this |
| 21:05.52 | Fisker | to send teh money |
| 21:05.52 | jnwhiteh | at gmail |
| 21:05.53 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 21:06.08 | Fisker | aka jnwhiteh? |
| 21:06.12 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 21:06.31 | zenzelezz | I have many bars because I tank with one hand on my mouse, the other not moving much from the WASD position |
| 21:06.49 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, I, too, could divide my button count by eight if I were willing to spider my hand over the modifier keys constantly |
| 21:07.04 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Spider? =\ Speedpad bro. |
| 21:07.06 | ZorbaTHut | however I play with the movement keys on TFGH so I can use pretty much the whole keyboard for hotkeys ;) |
| 21:07.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=Thunder_@ppp-71-142-2-30.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 21:08.03 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, so basically what you're saying is that you have 15 keys, but you only have one icon on your screen at a time so you can look at the pretty graphics while fighting instead of any potentially useful cooldown information? :P |
| 21:08.07 | foxlit | screenshot your actionbar. |
| 21:08.18 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Cooldown information is consolidated elsewhere. |
| 21:08.36 | ZorbaTHut | okay, so in that case your argument is "buttons are evil and I don't like them" |
| 21:08.44 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 21:08.48 | DWSR | foxlit: I will when I get my UI set up again. IT's currently in limbo. |
| 21:08.50 | jnwhiteh | sup |
| 21:08.56 | Fisker | I will pay the fee: |
| 21:08.56 | Fisker | $27.25 USD |
| 21:08.56 | Fisker | Your total charge: |
| 21:08.56 | Fisker | $718.25 USD |
| 21:08.57 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: No, my point is that too many buttons is effing retarded. |
| 21:09.03 | jnwhiteh | nice =) |
| 21:09.04 | Fisker | sounds about right? |
| 21:09.04 | ZorbaTHut | seriously, if you're using the same amount of screen real estate for the exact same data, what does it matter if I decide to do it in buttons and you decide to to it with something else? |
| 21:09.31 | ZorbaTHut | my point is that you're currently right up there with the people who measure code in lines. you've seized upon an arbitrary ridiculous metric. |
| 21:09.54 | ZorbaTHut | you're not talking about screen real estate, or clutter, or information, or how easy it is to use your abilities |
| 21:09.55 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Not really. Consolidation of information is hardly a ridiculous metric. |
| 21:09.58 | ZorbaTHut | you're just talking about "buttons". |
| 21:10.15 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I could cover my screen in thousands of action bars worth of buttons. |
| 21:10.27 | Esamynn | ZorbaTHut: don't you get the point, buttons are EVIL INCARNATE!!! :P |
| 21:10.27 | DWSR | It would be stupid. |
| 21:10.33 | jnwhiteh | alright, i'm off to take a bath |
| 21:10.42 | DWSR | More buttons than you need is retarded. |
| 21:10.43 | durcyn | don't forget the toaster |
| 21:10.44 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, I could get rid of all my buttons and cover the screen in thousands of displays of other data |
| 21:10.46 | ZorbaTHut | that would be equally stupid. |
| 21:10.50 | Fisker | joins |
| 21:10.53 | Esamynn | DWSR said it, therefore it must be true :P |
| 21:11.00 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yes. |
| 21:11.00 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: got it |
| 21:11.02 | ZorbaTHut | esamynn, buttons caused the holocaust, y'know. dwsr is just trying to save us from atrocities. |
| 21:11.07 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 21:11.13 | Esamynn | nodes emphatically |
| 21:11.25 | ZorbaTHut | if we don't have BUTTONS, then how can BIG GOVERNMENT ever push THE BUTTON? |
| 21:11.27 | Fisker | If you get a tracking thingy that doesn't need an account, be sure to send it over :) |
| 21:11.28 | ZorbaTHut | is DOWN with BUTTONS |
| 21:11.50 | durcyn | people with differing opinions are terrible and must be killed. |
| 21:12.04 | DWSR | ugh |
| 21:12.15 | Esamynn | durcyn: well said! |
| 21:12.18 | DWSR | Is there any way to tell the size of a frame without trying to measure it? |
| 21:12.22 | DWSR | durcyn: Truth. |
| 21:12.25 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, you've convinced me, I'm going to go write a library to provide a new UI element |
| 21:12.27 | durcyn | you're not supposed to agree with me, motherfucker. |
| 21:12.42 | DWSR | durcyn: Oh no? What you gonna do about it? |
| 21:12.43 | Esamynn | ~lart durcyn |
| 21:12.43 | purl | plops durcyn into a giant vat of herring |
| 21:12.45 | ZorbaTHut | it'll display an icon for an associated ability, along with a cooldown spiral, and on mouseover it will show detailed info and if I click it it will use the ability |
| 21:12.48 | ZorbaTHut | I'll call it a Morlack. |
| 21:12.58 | ZorbaTHut | and then I'll get rid of all the buttons on my screen and my UI will be better. |
| 21:14.48 | Lunessa | I like buttons motherfers. http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/WoW%20Interface%20Gallery/ |
| 21:15.51 | foxlit | grrr. |
| 21:16.03 | zenzelezz | I like big buttons and I cannot lie; you click binders can't deny... |
| 21:16.08 | foxlit | photobucket annoys me with their clever javascript that does not work. |
| 21:16.43 | Lunessa | Sorry foxlit, it's free and it's always up when I need it. |
| 21:17.35 | Dagmar | I envy your spartan lack of buttons |
| 21:19.23 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Actually bar 1 pages to bar 2 on pressing CTRL and Bar 3 on ALT. |
| 21:19.45 | Dagmar | I don't mess with anything but an alt modifier for traps to make them use the AoE fomr |
| 21:19.47 | Dagmar | er form. |
| 21:19.50 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: I'm having issues with the order, waiting to confirm something before I call paypal to see whats up |
| 21:20.06 | Lunessa | I routinely have quick access to 36 buttons that way, and anothe rbar for "meh, I'll click it" stuff. |
| 21:20.10 | Dagmar | ...but then I'm a hunter and there's like 20 basic things we have to click on even on the light days |
| 21:20.44 | Fisker | kk jnwhiteh |
| 21:21.08 | Dagmar | I wonder if Blizz collects stats on which class has the most people using a G15 |
| 21:21.23 | Fisker | probably |
| 21:21.33 | ZorbaTHut | you know what I'd love to see |
| 21:21.34 | Fisker | well probably not class actually |
| 21:21.57 | Esamynn | I wish you could still GET the original G15 |
| 21:21.58 | ZorbaTHut | take the command input of an average player of a class (in reality, take, like, the top 100 members of each class/spec by raid progression) |
| 21:22.03 | ZorbaTHut | gzip 'em. see which is biggest. |
| 21:22.22 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect this would be a reasonable approximation of the class's complexity, and I'd love to see the results of it. |
| 21:23.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: what do you mean by command input? |
| 21:23.31 | Lunessa | I have purchased like 3 N52 speed pads... I can never get the f'ing things to work. |
| 21:23.49 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, just record what spells the players are casting, in order |
| 21:23.58 | DWSR | Lunessa: I have my N52TE...it's been working perfectly since day 1. |
| 21:24.04 | DWSR | What's been wrong with yours? |
| 21:24.06 | ZorbaTHut | possibly just record the ID to remove a little bias from spells with long names |
| 21:24.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: that'd only measure how fast your spamming abilities, wouldn't it? |
| 21:24.23 | NightHawkTheSane | you're |
| 21:24.38 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, I'm unsure whether you'd want to record every attempt or only record spells that had a chance of activating |
| 21:24.48 | ZorbaTHut | that said, mashing the same key ten times in a row isn't going to end up that much larger than just pushing it once |
| 21:25.13 | NightHawkTheSane | but still, it's not a measure of class complexity |
| 21:25.35 | ZorbaTHut | it'd come down to how patterned the player's actions were and how many unique patterns they had to deal with. someone sitting there pushing the same ability every 1.5 seconds will have a *much* smaller log, after compression, than someone who has to semi-randomly push one of eight different buttons every 5 seconds |
| 21:25.45 | Lunessa | DWSR: Each time the device fails to recognize either a) inputs (press buttons, nothing happens), b) bindings (save set, nothing happens) or c) does crazy shit to my mouse driver, cause the cursor to jump around the screen like a frat boy play GT:A on Addys and Crank |
| 21:25.53 | ZorbaTHut | it's a measure of "play complexity" in combat |
| 21:25.54 | NightHawkTheSane | a mage spamming frostbolt with a lot of haste might have the same number of ability uses as a druid, but the rotations are not equal in complexity |
| 21:26.19 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, well, the mage's will end up being much smaller since a single ability repeated over and over will compress very, very well |
| 21:26.23 | ZorbaTHut | the gzip is a critical part of this, note |
| 21:26.26 | ZorbaTHut | it doesn't work without the gzip |
| 21:26.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, hmm |
| 21:27.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i can see what you're getting at now. still not sure it'd be a good measure. |
| 21:28.18 | ZorbaTHut | it'd be an interesting measure. definitely an approximate one, but I'd love to see results from it. |
| 21:28.45 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect it'd be roughly "correct", with a large error bound. |
| 21:32.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@static-93.158.79.103.got.public.icomera.com) |
| 21:32.22 | *** join/#wowuidev pompy (n=Mike@c-68-38-45-3.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 21:36.54 | *** join/#wowuidev kdtresh (n=kdtresh@24-176-241-50.static.reno.nv.charter.com) |
| 21:45.28 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: I'm not sure about that metric. That data, plus keybinds (they're saved server side), plus frequency of particular ability usage might be a better metric. |
| 21:46.52 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, I'm assuming we just end up with a list of successful spellcasts. I'm not really sure keybinds are a major factor - at most you can do castsequence, and that'll be condensed quite well by the compression anyway |
| 21:46.59 | ZorbaTHut | (now that castrandom is gone :P) |
| 21:47.25 | Lunessa | Not gone, just not inconsistently broken. |
| 21:48.15 | ZorbaTHut | gone in the sense that it no longer allows you to do one-button macros |
| 21:48.15 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.33 | jnwhiteh | and I'm so jealous |
| 21:49.42 | DWSR | Lunessa: never had that problem. |
| 21:49.43 | DWSR | (s) |
| 21:51.04 | Lunessa | DWSR: Belkin has a reputation for crappy hardware - I suspect I just got burned by there (lack of) QA. |
| 21:51.17 | Lunessa | s/there/their |
| 21:51.25 | DWSR | The pad was designed by razer. |
| 21:51.27 | DWSR | Well, the TE was |
| 21:51.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Ruck (n=bleh@pool-72-86-106-233.aubnin.fios.verizon.net) |
| 21:52.37 | ZorbaTHut | yay 50% of the party damage :( |
| 21:52.46 | Fisker | so am i jnwhiteh |
| 21:52.53 | Fisker | windows mobile ftl |
| 21:52.54 | DWSR | as a tank? |
| 21:53.02 | Fisker | so glad to be migrating to Android :P |
| 21:53.06 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 21:53.17 | Fisker | i find it hilarious how much their new marketplace sucks |
| 21:53.22 | Fisker | i downloaded an app from it |
| 21:53.37 | Fisker | And on startup i got "The version you currently have is outdated you need an update" |
| 21:53.41 | Fisker | gj right there |
| 21:53.41 | ZorbaTHut | as DPS, thankfully |
| 21:53.48 | Dagmar | QQ moar noob |
| 21:54.04 | Fisker | how can you make an application store without proper versioning |
| 21:54.07 | Fisker | durr |
| 21:54.15 | Fisker | or keeping apps uptodate |
| 21:54.17 | Fisker | or whatever |
| 21:54.18 | Dagmar | The same way you can bitch about it without having a clue how things like that work. |
| 21:54.43 | durcyn | someone's feeling saucy today |
| 21:54.44 | Dagmar | it's not up to the app store to hassle publishers continually to update what they've uploadded |
| 21:54.59 | Fisker | publisher in this case being microsoft themselves |
| 21:55.17 | Fisker | i'm sure they should be able to push the update themselves on their own marketplace |
| 21:55.17 | durcyn | also, based on his complaint, it seems like the store itself didn't pick up that what he just downloaded was the lastest |
| 21:55.20 | Dagmar | So you don't think they have a vested interest in drawing people away from the new app store. |
| 21:55.26 | durcyn | -s |
| 21:55.35 | Dagmar | it's not the app store's job to do that |
| 21:55.49 | durcyn | or the device, as the case may be |
| 21:55.58 | durcyn | also, you're being contrary for the sake of being contrary |
| 21:56.10 | Dagmar | If the publisher is lazy and only pushes updates publicly (or admits to doing so) once a month, it's the publishers fault, not the place you downloaded the app from |
| 21:56.16 | NightHawkTheSane | er, i'm sorry, but could this argument get any dumber, please? i still have a few brain cells left |
| 21:56.24 | Fisker | i realize that Dagmar |
| 21:56.40 | Fisker | I'd just figure that atleast Microsoft could keep their own apps updated |
| 21:56.43 | DWSR | lol nhts |
| 21:56.49 | Dagmar | C'mon, how freaking stupid is the complaint "I downloaded this app from thousands and there was an update for it. The place I downloaded it from sucks." |
| 21:56.58 | durcyn | point successfully missed. he obtained an item from a central repository, then that repository informed him that the item he obtained was out of date. |
| 21:57.11 | durcyn | i fail to see how that is useful in any way. |
| 21:57.28 | Dagmar | Fisker: They still publicly claim to only be doing patches on one tuesday a month. My experience says their people saying that live in some alternate dimension |
| 21:57.30 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (n=Thunder_@adsl-71-130-213-206.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 21:57.55 | Dagmar | Probably the same dimension the people who claim Microsoft responds promptly to reports of vulnerabilities. |
| 21:58.51 | DWSR | But they do! |
| 21:59.23 | Dagmar | When I hear about them releasing a patch in the same financial quarter the issue is reported in, I'll let you know |
| 21:59.40 | Dagmar | A three- to six-month turnaround time is their norm. |
| 22:00.12 | DWSR | That's obviously because you don't have a time machine. |
| 22:00.40 | Dagmar | It's probably because I consider the day an issue is reported to be the day an issue is reported |
| 22:00.54 | Dagmar | I am not assuaged by two months' worth of them saying "This is not an exploitable problem" |
| 22:01.18 | DWSR | but it's not! |
| 22:03.08 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh if you get a tracking thingy that isn't bound to your account then pm it to me or something :P |
| 22:03.15 | jnwhiteh | I will |
| 22:03.16 | jnwhiteh | it'll be DHL |
| 22:03.20 | jnwhiteh | and it'll be at least a week getting hhere |
| 22:03.27 | jnwhiteh | sadly |
| 22:03.31 | jnwhiteh | and that might be optimistic, but we'll see! |
| 22:03.57 | Fisker | yeah according to someone it would be there on the 8th |
| 22:04.01 | Fisker | so that's 3 work days |
| 22:04.12 | jnwhiteh | well it has to clear customs |
| 22:04.13 | Fisker | so probably wednesday or possibly tuesday |
| 22:04.15 | jnwhiteh | and I have to pay VAT |
| 22:04.16 | jnwhiteh | that takes time |
| 22:04.26 | Fisker | your post thing sucks :P |
| 22:04.41 | jnwhiteh | its a private company |
| 22:04.42 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 22:04.48 | Fisker | already in the UK according to someone |
| 22:04.50 | Fisker | stuck in customs |
| 22:04.51 | Fisker | lol |
| 22:05.13 | Fisker | that was fast though |
| 22:05.15 | Fisker | only a day |
| 22:05.36 | Fisker | Anyways when we pay vat and stuff they just say "kk you pay us money" when they deliver it |
| 22:07.32 | Shirik | what place is Vashj in again? |
| 22:07.45 | Shirik | and Kael |
| 22:08.36 | kd3 | ssc and tk |
| 22:08.43 | mikma | ssc for vashj |
| 22:09.10 | mikma | assc |
| 22:09.39 | *** join/#wowuidev SqueeG (n=ZomgInte@cpe-98-15-147-125.hvc.res.rr.com) |
| 22:12.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Tuller (n=muffins@pool-72-84-246-12.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) |
| 22:15.48 | alestane | Kael'thas is also in the Magister's Terrace. |
| 22:17.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Gotai (n=Gotai@ip54546435.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) |
| 22:20.46 | Fisker | so there i was wondering why i didn't get that much damage in on twin valkyrs |
| 22:20.52 | Fisker | turns out i was in aspect of the viper :( |
| 22:21.17 | Fisker | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/22418743115-successful-ploy-by-blizzard.html <-successful troll |
| 22:22.24 | *** join/#wowuidev kdtresh (n=kdtresh@64.149.82.9) |
| 22:22.53 | Duman | hmm |
| 22:25.38 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (n=Thunder_@ppp-71-140-100-232.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 22:25.39 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: on hold with Paypal.... again. |
| 22:30.18 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away_ (n=Thunder_@adsl-71-130-222-196.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 22:32.15 | durcyn | that's what you get for taking money from danish drug dealers |
| 22:35.10 | Fisker | :(! |
| 22:35.12 | Fisker | true |
| 22:35.52 | Dagmar | There's a degree to which Blizz could stand to take a page from Chinese gaming companies' playbook. |
| 22:36.13 | Dagmar | If you go onto a forum and attempt to spread dissent, your account is *gone*. No warnings, no short term bans, just *gone*. |
| 22:36.54 | durcyn | along with the recurring fee you pay them. |
| 22:37.02 | Dagmar | ...and your toons. |
| 22:37.15 | durcyn | blizzard's tack of simply banning people from the forums seems to be working just as well, with more profit. |
| 22:37.16 | Dagmar | EJ is too hard on posters, but Blizz is way too soft on them I think |
| 22:37.37 | zenzelezz | EJ have to be hard on their posters |
| 22:37.40 | durcyn | EJ is hard on posters because it instills the behavior EJ wishes to encourage, natch |
| 22:37.46 | zenzelezz | otherwise they become Elitist Friendly People |
| 22:38.02 | Dagmar | They could stand to be a wee bit more patient |
| 22:38.09 | Dagmar | Not a lot, just a wee bit |
| 22:38.47 | durcyn | why? the moderation style is thoroughly documented, consistently enforced, and on the whole, entirely practical for managing the community |
| 22:39.04 | durcyn | if they wanted to be /b/, they could easily be |
| 22:39.39 | durcyn | whereas blizzard has made it obvoius they neither know nor care how to moderate forums in any useful way, as you said |
| 22:44.47 | WobWork | Dagmar: "Your account. Gone. Your toons. Gone. Your job. Mysteriously gone. You. Suddenly decided to go to gaming rehabilitation camp..." |
| 22:45.20 | *** join/#wowuidev schnoggo (n=lonkoeni@zeus.mediagods.com) |
| 22:45.26 | Fisker | i still like the time where Tigole took some time out to remove a player from the beta |
| 22:45.47 | zenzelezz | he did? |
| 22:46.16 | Fisker | yeah |
| 22:46.36 | zenzelezz | at least they let you back after release |
| 22:46.43 | Fisker | Someone started complaining about how buggy and unstable the servers and wotlk were |
| 22:46.44 | WobWork | hehe |
| 22:47.01 | WobWork | subtle backslam by zenzelezz is subtle =P |
| 22:47.06 | Fisker | Then tigole just revoked his access to the beta servers, and presumably let another player in the pool get in |
| 22:47.59 | NeoTron | so I won WoW yesterday |
| 22:48.05 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.10 | zenzelezz | was that really WotLK beta? I don't really recall when Tigole left, but I thought it was before that |
| 22:48.26 | NeoTron | I'm now constantly best in show! |
| 22:49.13 | zenzelezz | right clicks his Tabard of the Protector |
| 22:50.00 | Fisker | pretty sure it was tigole |
| 22:50.18 | zenzelezz | you're probably right, I don't frequent the forums |
| 22:56.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-67-246-40-12.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 22:56.52 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 22:57.32 | Fisker | whens our damn armory coming? |
| 22:57.49 | Thunder_Child | when you stroke it right |
| 22:58.15 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: finally (i think) got the transactino to go through |
| 22:58.23 | zenzelezz | "After many years of fighting against the standard, Microsoft announced they are joining the WC3's SVG working group to help with the development of SVG. 'We recognize that vector graphics are an important component of the next-generation Web platform,' said Patrick Dengler, senior program manager on Microsoft's Internet Explorer team in a blog post." |
| 22:58.25 | zenzelezz | interesting |
| 22:58.30 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 22:58.32 | jnwhiteh | bathtime |
| 22:58.44 | zenzelezz | Fisker is paying you for a bath? |
| 22:58.46 | Thunder_Child | TMI jnwhiteh, TMI |
| 22:59.24 | Fisker | yes zenzelezz |
| 22:59.31 | Fisker | It's for my new movie |
| 22:59.34 | Fisker | "Pretty man" |
| 22:59.41 | zenzelezz | cool |
| 22:59.46 | Fisker | oh god yes zenzelezz |
| 22:59.52 | Fisker | i hope that means SVG will be native in IE |
| 23:00.12 | Fisker | not that i use IE anymore :( |
| 23:00.30 | zenzelezz | agreed |
| 23:00.31 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (i=smcn@c-174-52-39-78.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:00.48 | zenzelezz | but it would mean I could use SVG and not have to worry about the people who do use IE |
| 23:01.12 | Fisker | true but that is of no use to me! |
| 23:01.15 | Fisker | i hope you suffer in pain |
| 23:01.16 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 23:01.26 | zenzelezz | I prefer to suffer in pleasure |
| 23:02.11 | Shirik | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=5025 what the hell |
| 23:02.13 | Fisker | oh you will be if you like me touching your private parts |
| 23:02.13 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: You are overlooking the obvious. |
| 23:02.32 | Thunder_Child | the newest chrome beta supports extensions new and is starting to look very sexy |
| 23:02.33 | Dagmar | Microsoft doesn't get involved in *anything* it isn't planning to either purchase, or destroy. |
| 23:02.47 | Dagmar | Since you can't really "buy" SVG, that leaves one thing. |
| 23:02.50 | Fisker | omfg i get it Shirik |
| 23:02.57 | Shirik | you would |
| 23:03.01 | Fisker | i was like "Why is anal [Test Tickle] funny?" |
| 23:03.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: embrace, extend, extinguish? |
| 23:03.29 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: I'm almost willing to put money on that being what they've got in mind. |
| 23:03.56 | zenzelezz | you're exaggerating |
| 23:04.06 | Dagmar | They will find SOME way to include windows meta-file clip art directly into the spec or something |
| 23:04.10 | zenzelezz | just think of how OpenGL fared on Windows with Microsoft's support! |
| 23:04.30 | Dagmar | They provided suport for OpenGL? |
| 23:04.44 | zenzelezz | Microsoft is on the ARB |
| 23:04.53 | zenzelezz | or at least was, not sure if they still are |
| 23:05.17 | Dagmar | Heck I think they only reason they didn't take a stab at wrecking GL is that SGI had more experience in writing documentation no one wants to read |
| 23:05.30 | WobWork | Shirik: it's my ender link for the anal game |
| 23:05.36 | Dagmar | ...hence their only option was to come up with their own mechanism from scratch |
| 23:05.46 | WobWork | it shuts everyone up |
| 23:05.49 | WobWork | (except Fisker) |
| 23:07.18 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: as far as I remember, Microsoft just bought DirectX from someone (at a very low version), but they did a good job with that (mostly... DirectPlay? o_O) |
| 23:08.51 | Dagmar | They managed to break kerberos |
| 23:09.12 | zenzelezz | hm... if I read Wikipedia right, then I was mistaken about DX's origin |
| 23:10.35 | Fisker | hey WobWork |
| 23:10.38 | Fisker | our lives are worth living |
| 23:10.41 | Fisker | ..jerk |
| 23:10.48 | Dagmar | What sucks is that I was just starting to really like SVG |
| 23:14.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraps (n=chatzill@ool-44c20717.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:14.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Hjalte (n=chatzill@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk) |
| 23:14.43 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: To put it bluntly, there's no reason to believe that Microsoft will ever support SVG properly. |
| 23:14.48 | Dagmar | They still can't do PNG properly. |
| 23:14.57 | zenzelezz | July 2010: The SVG working group announces the format will now be known as "Silverlight Vector Graphics" |
| 23:15.02 | Dagmar | How long have they been "working" on that, exactly? |
| 23:15.07 | Kraps | evening my lovelies |
| 23:15.35 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: rofl |
| 23:16.50 | Fisker | http://consumerist.com/2010/01/emma-watsons-leg-may-be-vacationing-with-demi-moores-hip.html <-zomg gross |
| 23:18.08 | Kraps | thats her brother? |
| 23:18.53 | Dagmar | They're emo kids |
| 23:18.55 | Dagmar | You've seen the websites |
| 23:19.02 | Dagmar | Don't act suprised about it |
| 23:19.05 | Kraps | no i havent |
| 23:19.17 | WobWork | well, there is family resemblance |
| 23:19.26 | Kraps | since when is her brother famous? |
| 23:19.38 | Dagmar | Since he's doing Emma Watson |
| 23:19.51 | Kraps | zomg incest????? |
| 23:20.16 | WobWork | ew? |
| 23:20.19 | WobWork | it's a fashion shoot |
| 23:20.23 | WobWork | he doesn't need to be famous |
| 23:20.32 | WobWork | he just has to make her look pretty |
| 23:20.56 | WobWork | either that or it's a "Can you see your brother looking like this?" sort of shoot |
| 23:21.11 | Dagmar | Same family resemblance: http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/s640x480.jpg |
| 23:21.23 | Kraps | lawl |
| 23:21.40 | WobWork | It.. like My Little Pony, Bunny Edition |
| 23:26.34 | Thunder_Child | ok, i am officially switching to chrome. the extensions are win |
| 23:26.45 | cbreak | extensions? |
| 23:26.52 | cbreak | did they finally manage to get chrome working |
| 23:26.55 | cbreak | on os x by the way? |
| 23:27.06 | Thunder_Child | no, just linux and win |
| 23:27.08 | cbreak | there was a rather buggy beta last year |
| 23:27.10 | cbreak | hmm |
| 23:27.15 | Thunder_Child | i think |
| 23:27.17 | cbreak | safari's probably the same as chrome |
| 23:27.18 | durcyn | osx dev channel has extensions as of about two hours ago |
| 23:27.23 | cbreak | just with less google spying |
| 23:27.34 | cbreak | and less security stuff |
| 23:27.43 | durcyn | and the only thing it shares wth safari is webkit, what are you smoking |
| 23:27.58 | Fisker | damn bastards |
| 23:28.15 | Fisker | can they make the legendary axe anymore frustrating? |
| 23:28.25 | Fisker | Maybe make the primordial saronite bop instead? |
| 23:28.28 | Fisker | costs 200 emblems? |
| 23:28.40 | Fisker | rages |
| 23:28.41 | cbreak | Fisker: easy |
| 23:28.44 | cbreak | make it like atiesh |
| 23:28.53 | cbreak | let people gather mats |
| 23:28.56 | cbreak | then remove the instance |
| 23:29.04 | Dagmar | Make it require 20 cross-faction drops |
| 23:29.04 | cbreak | that drops the rest |
| 23:29.20 | Fisker | yeah except an expansion passed first |
| 23:30.34 | Dagmar | Oooh... I know |
| 23:30.42 | Dagmar | Split the drops across servers |
| 23:31.06 | Dagmar | Half can drop on one set of servers, the other half on the rest |
| 23:31.16 | Dagmar | See how long it takes people to figure it out |
| 23:32.31 | Thunder_Child | i'm surprised CES let gizmodo back in after what happened last year |
| 23:33.07 | durcyn | i hope they do it again :) |
| 23:33.12 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: they messed up a presentation or something? |
| 23:33.21 | Kraps | dont quite remember |
| 23:33.28 | durcyn | they turned off every tv in the place |
| 23:33.33 | Kraps | lol |
| 23:33.42 | Thunder_Child | with one of the universal turn off remotes |
| 23:33.47 | durcyn | http://gizmodo.com/343348/confessions-the-meanest-thing-gizmodo-did-at-ces |
| 23:34.42 | Thunder_Child | "Netflix customers: Warner Bros. and Netflix have just made an agreement to delay all new release rentals by 28 days so people will keep buying DVDs." |
| 23:34.45 | Thunder_Child | massive fail |
| 23:34.59 | NeoTron | err |
| 23:35.12 | NeoTron | how is that in any way fair? |
| 23:35.25 | durcyn | what's fairness got to do with profit? |
| 23:35.29 | Thunder_Child | what fair? |
| 23:35.38 | Thunder_Child | it's perfectly valid |
| 23:35.47 | NeoTron | I mean |
| 23:36.01 | cbreak | Translation: |
| 23:36.03 | NeoTron | it's not exactly benefitial for netflix: "Sign up for netflix and get your dvd's a month later than if you go to blockbuster!" |
| 23:36.11 | WobWork | hm, google have their own url shortener? |
| 23:36.17 | cbreak | "Netflix just told customers to download torrents instead of renting new releases" |
| 23:36.22 | durcyn | for a week or two now, wob |
| 23:36.25 | Thunder_Child | WobWork: yes |
| 23:36.30 | Thunder_Child | goo.gl |
| 23:36.36 | Thunder_Child | but it's not open for fun |
| 23:36.45 | Thunder_Child | however there is a chrome plugin for it |
| 23:37.00 | cbreak | url shortener? |
| 23:37.05 | cbreak | doesn't sound very useful |
| 23:37.06 | WobWork | goo.gl |
| 23:37.20 | cbreak | not like people type URLs |
| 23:37.33 | Thunder_Child | http://goo.gl/PiyX |
| 23:37.37 | wereHamster | cbreak: for a second here I thought this is #git, because I know you from there :) |
| 23:38.13 | wereHamster | is in too many irc channels |
| 23:38.30 | cbreak | I am just in five :) |
| 23:39.08 | WobWork | cbreak: the point of a url shortener is so you can use them in social networking without obliterating your character count |
| 23:39.10 | Thunder_Child | cbreak: it's more for links. eg. so you dont get crit with a wall of text and just get a short url |
| 23:39.26 | cbreak | oh... for goatse linking |
| 23:39.28 | cbreak | I know |
| 23:39.29 | WobWork | that too |
| 23:39.36 | cbreak | url obfuscation :) |
| 23:39.48 | cbreak | and probably so google can track which links you use |
| 23:39.52 | Fisker | oh god those jerks durcyn |
| 23:39.57 | WobWork | cbreak: they can do that anyway |
| 23:40.09 | cbreak | not if you use normal links... unless you find those links with google |
| 23:40.15 | cbreak | or the page you surf to uses google-analytics |
| 23:40.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Cralor` (n=Cralor`@c-98-216-219-153.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 23:40.19 | cbreak | or google adds |
| 23:40.30 | durcyn | Fisker: you're not actually a danish drug dealer, are you? |
| 23:40.32 | cbreak | or you use firefox/chrome with the google based phishing filter |
| 23:40.42 | wereHamster | or if you use links to surf the web :P\ |
| 23:40.48 | Fisker | http://www.makershed.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MKTVBGOKIT&Redirected=Y <-i see they already face a lawsuit durcyn |
| 23:40.49 | Fisker | :D |
| 23:41.19 | durcyn | oh, you can make your own easily enough |
| 23:41.30 | Thunder_Child | wereHamster: thats wikipedia in a nutshell |
| 23:41.35 | Fisker | i can make you quite easily durcyn |
| 23:41.48 | durcyn | i made you 25 years ago, if you know what i mean |
| 23:41.50 | Cralor` | Ok so for AddonLoader, Class tag.. you choose the Class you /want/ to load it for, correct? |
| 23:41.51 | durcyn | wait, how old are you |
| 23:42.34 | Fisker | 23 actually |
| 23:42.42 | Thunder_Child | durcyn: how old chronologically? or how old he acts? |
| 23:42.49 | Thunder_Child | because they vary widly |
| 23:42.52 | wereHamster | Thunder_Child: I meant the commandline web viewer.. |
| 23:42.52 | Dagmar | That's in dog years |
| 23:42.59 | durcyn | the double digit one, TC |
| 23:43.02 | Fisker | you don't act according to age Thunder_Child |
| 23:43.03 | Thunder_Child | wereHamster: ah |
| 23:43.05 | Fisker | flawed concept right there |
| 23:43.09 | Thunder_Child | no kidding Fisker |
| 23:43.15 | Thunder_Child | i cat ~8 |
| 23:43.17 | Thunder_Child | act* |
| 23:43.18 | WobWork | heh Vimium |
| 23:43.31 | Thunder_Child | maybe 10 |
| 23:43.51 | Cralor` | What is the accepted tag for a DK in AddonLoader. I have tried "Death Knight" and "DEATHKNIGHT" |
| 23:43.52 | Thunder_Child | the other day i acted like a 15yo school girl for some reason |
| 23:44.33 | Fisker | kinky |
| 23:44.38 | Fisker | wanna make out after school? |
| 23:44.45 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 23:44.47 | Thunder_Child | just not with you |
| 23:45.19 | Fisker | :( |
| 23:45.21 | Fisker | goodnight then |
| 23:45.32 | Thunder_Child | i have my standards |
| 23:46.37 | Lopeppeppy | where do you keep them, pray tell? |
| 23:46.54 | Thunder_Child | sewers |
| 23:47.10 | ZorbaTHut | cralor, might be DeathKnight, I think that's the non-localized ID for the class |
| 23:47.11 | Shadowed | You'd find it easier to just look at the code Cralor` :p |
| 23:47.16 | Shadowed | It's DEATHKNIGHT |
| 23:47.44 | Cralor` | Am I allowed to have a Class and Always-delayed tag |
| 23:48.39 | Shadowed | Always: delayed would override class |
| 23:48.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Gryphon (n=gryphon@c-71-227-239-71.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 23:48.56 | Cralor` | :( |
| 23:48.58 | Cralor` | ok |
| 23:48.59 | Shadowed | or should at least, I'm not sure specifically how [Ammo] ordered it, but I assume it checks them all until one returns true |
| 23:49.13 | Cralor` | Thanks |
| 23:49.28 | Shadowed | AddonLoader code is pretty straightforward though, AddonLoader\Conditions.lua gives you an quick look at what it expects |
| 23:54.33 | Polarina | Use forward slashes! :@ |
| 23:55.00 | cbreak | yeah. This isn't LaTeX. |
| 23:56.50 | Fisker | you're gonna love my nuts |
| 23:57.30 | Polarina | cbreak: :D |
| 23:58.31 | Thunder_Child | i already told you Fisker, i'm not that kind of girl |
