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`00:05.06`	`Kraps`	`lol ie8 cant load http://www.atari.com/indigo/ lol`
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`00:15.59`	`DWSR`	`Exalted or revered to get mounts from another faction?>`
`00:16.04`	`DWSR`	`another home city faction?`
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`00:16.27`	`foxlit`	`exalted.`
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`00:20.20`	`DWSR`	`Where is the Ram Vendor?`
`00:23.10`	`kd3`	`outside of IF`
`00:23.18`	`Adys`	`http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/316643336`
`00:23.19`	`kd3`	`uh... east of kharanos`
`00:24.00`	`Adys`	`104 Plaka near Syntagma at Compunet`
`00:25.46`	`batrick`	`hello friends`
`00:32.10`	`alestane`	`DWSR: Amberstill Ranch.`
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`00:52.21`	`DWSR`	`Thanks alestane`
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`00:56.27`	`DWSR`	`What's the command to restart the gfx engine in wow?`
`00:56.31`	`DWSR`	`/console gfxrestart?`
`00:57.48`	`foxlit`	`no f.`
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`01:01.12`	`DWSR`	`thanks`
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`01:23.47`	`foxlit`	`wonders why starcraft + brood war sells for 15$ while war3 + tft sells for 20$ each.`
`01:24.16`	`Jerub`	`foxlit: does it matter? everyone has a copy already?`
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`01:27.49`	`foxlit`	`Jerub: unfortunately not the case.`
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`02:11.30`	`DJJeff`	`yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay I dinged to 79`
`02:11.38`	`Jerub`	`grats`
`02:11.39`	`DJJeff`	`im 1/2 way till 80`
`02:11.45`	`Jerub`	`will tihs be your first 80?`
`02:11.59`	`DJJeff`	`my sons of hodir is Revered`
`02:12.10`	`DJJeff`	`turning in the Uldar things`
`02:12.14`	`DJJeff`	`made it super ez`
`02:12.19`	`Jerub`	`i still haven't opened up that quest line.`
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`02:12.33`	`DJJeff`	`they drop like mad in Halls of Stone`
`02:12.34`	`Jerub`	`never needed the shoulder enchant because i went for the pvp one.`
`02:12.38`	`DJJeff`	`and Halls of Lightning`
`02:12.39`	`Jerub`	`I hate HoS :(`
`02:12.48`	`DJJeff`	`HoL is fun`
`02:12.54`	`Jerub`	`HoL is okay.`
`02:13.03`	`Jerub`	`I can basically chainpull the whole play now if i have a shamman healer.`
`02:13.20`	`DJJeff`	`this is my 1st 80`
`02:13.34`	`DJJeff`	`I have played this damn toon for almost 3 years now`
`02:13.39`	`DJJeff`	`sigh`
`02:13.46`	`DJJeff`	`on and off for months though`
`02:13.52`	`DJJeff`	`more casual`
`02:13.55`	`DJJeff`	`not so rushed`
`02:14.07`	`DJJeff`	`I went for all the Achievements and goodies`
`02:14.15`	`DJJeff`	`and less pointless grinding`
`02:14.19`	`Dagmar`	`More fun that way`
`02:14.22`	`DJJeff`	`hehehehehe`
`02:14.24`	`DJJeff`	`yep`
`02:14.49`	`DJJeff`	`my next toon with the 10% more XP I am gonna grind`
`02:14.51`	`DJJeff`	`though`
`02:15.10`	`DJJeff`	`I want that 20,000gold mount though.......`
`02:15.18`	`DJJeff`	`I can barely make 1k`
`02:15.23`	`DJJeff`	`how do ppl make 20k`
`02:15.28`	`Dagmar`	`I got the chopper.`
`02:15.38`	`Dagmar`	`Buying, crafting, and selling.`
`02:15.39`	`DJJeff`	`is that a race mount?`
`02:15.51`	`DJJeff`	`or a faction rep mount`
`02:15.53`	`Jerub`	`DJJeff: at 80, every dailyquest gives you 13g. so it's 1500 dailies.`
`02:15.53`	`Dagmar`	`The mekgineer's chopper? No`
`02:16.06`	`Dagmar`	`The engineer who makes it has to have exalted, but you just have to bring piles of money`
`02:16.07`	`Jerub`	`DJJeff: not to mention farming/ah/etc`
`02:16.22`	`DJJeff`	`thats a crap load of dailies`
`02:16.28`	`Dagmar`	`DJJeff: Did you never pick up a tradeskill?`
`02:16.40`	`Jerub`	`DJJeff: 25 a day... only 2 months worth`
`02:16.41`	`Jerub`	`:P`
`02:16.41`	`DJJeff`	`I am Herb/Alch`
`02:16.50`	`Jerub`	`DJJeff: herb is a big moneymaker.`
`02:16.53`	`Jerub`	`are you 450 both?`
`02:16.57`	`DJJeff`	`no`
`02:16.58`	`Dagmar`	`So make potions. Lots and lots of potions. Or just sell your herbs.`
`02:17.01`	`Jerub`	`... get 450 both`
`02:17.02`	`DJJeff`	`far from`
`02:17.05`	`Dagmar`	`Get them to 450, man.`
`02:17.16`	`DJJeff`	`gonna put my herbs on the AH`
`02:17.17`	`Jerub`	`my JC is at 430 and i only got it 3 days ago`
`02:17.18`	`DJJeff`	`lol`
`02:17.21`	`Dagmar`	`Work up Alchemy just 1-2 points a day. You'll get there and you won't go broke.`
`02:17.28`	`Jerub`	`and i'm just about breaking even now.`
`02:17.30`	`DJJeff`	`nice`
`02:17.42`	`Jerub`	`what's your alchemy at?`
`02:17.46`	`Jerub`	`I assume herbing is at 450?`
`02:17.51`	`Dagmar`	`My DK is strictly about making money. Tailoring/Enchanting right now`
`02:17.51`	`DJJeff`	`Tanris Firebloom is a <cough> to get`
`02:18.05`	`DJJeff`	`almost done though`
`02:18.25`	`foxlit`	`enchanters make money?!`
`02:18.32`	`Dagmar`	`Yes, they do.`
`02:18.38`	`DJJeff`	`should my Mage be a tailor?`
`02:18.43`	`Dagmar`	`...regardless of all the whining on the forums.`
`02:18.46`	`DJJeff`	`or stay as Herb/Alch`
`02:18.49`	`foxlit`	`I thought jewelcrafting is where it's at.`
`02:18.59`	`Dagmar`	`DJJeff: Considering it's got some really nice self-enchants for mages?`
`02:19.13`	`DJJeff`	`a tailor?`
`02:19.28`	`DJJeff`	`or Alch`
`02:19.39`	`Dagmar`	`JC seems to have a very long tail to it because of the dailies required to get the high end recipes, so there's less competition at that level.`
`02:19.42`	`foxlit`	`Not much of a difference.`
`02:20.04`	`foxlit`	`Stat wise, the primary crafting professions are pretty balanced.`
`02:20.27`	`Jerub`	`foxlit: i swapped skinning for JC because skinning only gives you crit`
`02:20.28`	`Dagmar`	`Enchanting, not so much. A lack of heaping piles of dreamshards and abyss crystals is the only reason I'm sitting at 438`
`02:20.43`	`foxlit`	`Mhm. Skinning, of course, is not a crafting profession.`
`02:21.08`	`Dagmar`	`If yer some class/specs tho, there's one crafting skill that stands out above the rest sometimes.`
`02:21.22`	`Dagmar`	`Like a BM hunter... Leatherworking for that massive +attack power to wrists.`
`02:21.47`	`foxlit`	`Dagmar: those are balanced, however.`
`02:21.58`	`Dagmar`	`Balanced, yes.`
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`02:22.27`	`foxlit`	`the wrist enchant == mixology == ring enchants == prismatic gems == extra sockets in the grand scheme of things.`
`02:22.49`	`foxlit`	`== cloak enchants for tailoring, I suppose`
`02:23.19`	`DJJeff`	`Questhelper is funny.... tells me to gather when I need to kill and kill when I need to gather`
`02:23.19`	`Dagmar`	`There's also the easy access to quickie epics.`
`02:23.31`	`DJJeff`	`how do I report wrong info`
`02:23.33`	`Dagmar`	`Being able to make your own i200 gear at 80 is handy as hack`
`02:23.57`	`Dagmar`	`DJJeff: Spend enough time in the AH and Blizz should give you a special title. http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evildagmar/World%20of%20Warcraft/?action=view&current=Stevan.jpg`
`02:24.41`	`alestane`	`The "escort robot chicken" quests have definitely been shortened. The quest text has also changed.`
`02:24.42`	`Dagmar`	`I've since added antique silver cufflinks and the noble's monacle. :)`
`02:25.02`	`Dagmar`	`alestane: Too right they have. The one in Tanaris seems like it's about a third it's original length`
`02:25.03`	`foxlit`	`alestane: several escorts were cut in half during TBC`
`02:25.29`	`foxlit`	`Alliance's felwood tree no longer asks you to traverse the entire zone, for example.`
`02:25.40`	`Dagmar`	`I helped a guildie with it last month and it seemed like the chicken ran about 100 yards and then said "Okay, that's enough running. See ya!"`
`02:27.05`	`DJJeff`	`backpack should be bigger sigh`
`02:27.14`	`Dagmar`	`They're promising us that in Cata`
`02:27.34`	`Dagmar`	`Still, I'm just happy I no longer lose a bag slot to an ammo bag`
`02:27.37`	`foxlit`	`On the other hand, 8 extra slots aren't going to save anyone.`
`02:28.40`	`DJJeff`	`...........`
`02:28.41`	`DJJeff`	`http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evildagmar/World%20of%20Warcraft/WoWScrnShot_031208_154700.jpg`
`02:28.47`	`DJJeff`	`what bag addon is that?`
`02:28.54`	`DJJeff`	`is that a bag addon?`
`02:29.04`	`durcyn`	`i dunno, but it's awful, use bagnon instead`
`02:29.08`	`Dagmar`	`That's ArkInventory.`
`02:29.13`	`Dagmar`	`I would be so screwed without it.`
`02:29.31`	`DJJeff`	`I use "OneBag3"`
`02:29.40`	`alestane`	`Dagmar: They seem to stop after the first surprise spawn now. I haven't found the Tanaris beacon yet.`
`02:29.50`	`DJJeff`	`http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/onebag3.aspx`
`02:29.50`	`Dagmar`	`It's fairly fiddly to get it the way you want it, but once you've got the categories laid down it's just about indispensible`
`02:29.53`	`foxlit`	`And I'm a proponent of using the default bags.`
`02:30.47`	`Dagmar`	`DJJeff: You'd think the author of that would be more interested in putting up a screenshot of the actual bags`
`02:31.42`	`Dagmar`	`The bank on my main has the items sorted by category, which holiday they belong to, DPS gear, iLevel gear, random souveniers, crafting materials, etc`
`02:32.00`	`DJJeff`	`?`
`02:32.01`	`DJJeff`	`lol`
`02:32.14`	`Dagmar`	`That ArkInventory screenshot is rather old`
`02:32.51`	`Dagmar`	`My enchanter has the materials grouped by tier.`
`02:32.51`	`DJJeff`	`I will make one for "OneBag3"`
`02:33.33`	`Dagmar`	`AI also lets you adjust all the bags (including keyrings), caches everything, and there's now a search box at the top.`
`02:34.04`	`Dagmar`	`So... if I just got something called "Spankalicious Wonder Spoon" I just type "spank" in the search box and everything that doesn't match is greyed out`
`02:35.38`	`Dagmar`	`openRDX is in dire need of some useful templates`
`02:36.09`	`Dagmar`	`Seems like everyone wanted to get ultra-artsy with their OOBE setups`
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`02:36.56`	`S9-Angelic`	`Hello there`
`02:40.04`	`DJJeff`	`..............`
`02:40.04`	`DJJeff`	`http://i48.tinypic.com/dm7l8k.jpg`
`02:40.13`	`DJJeff`	`Screenshot of "OneBag3"`
`02:40.25`	`Dagmar`	`Yeah that would be why I'm not using OneBag`
`02:40.26`	`DJJeff`	`and my current Sons of Hodir rep :)`
`02:40.37`	`DJJeff`	`whats wrong with it?`
`02:40.48`	`Dagmar`	`Everything's in one big lump`
`02:41.02`	`Dagmar`	`I'll pop a current SS of AI`
`02:41.17`	`DJJeff`	`my "Lump" is almost organized`
`02:41.33`	`DJJeff`	`it doesn't organize for you but oh well`
`02:41.38`	`foxlit`	`pop quiz: when and why do you actually open your bags?`
`02:42.07`	`DJJeff`	`do see your items?`
`02:42.11`	`DJJeff`	`and use them`
`02:42.19`	`DJJeff`	`like when your in "The Oculas"`
`02:42.23`	`DJJeff`	`to use your drake`
`02:43.04`	`foxlit`	`Mhm. "see" is meh, "use" is alright, I suppose.`
`02:43.28`	`foxlit`	`Personally, I just hit ALT-Q in the oculus, and the drake item magically comes up <3`
`02:43.54`	`*** join/#wowuidev digmouse (n=chatzill@124.205.157.50)`
`02:43.58`	`DJJeff`	`lucky you?`
`02:44.20`	`Torhal`	`DJJeff: It's called OPie.`
`02:44.22`	`DJJeff`	`what are 1/2 the items I have in my bag........ waaaaaaaaaaaaa`
`02:44.27`	`DJJeff`	`I dont know`
`02:44.28`	`Torhal`	`Which, incidentally, foxlit wrote.`
`02:44.40`	`foxlit`	`My point would be that there are in fact very few situations when you should be looking at your bags -- probably when you're staring at a vendor and trying to sell your loot`
`02:45.00`	`DJJeff`	`yep`
`02:45.13`	`DJJeff`	`a section for all your grey items`
`02:45.14`	`DJJeff`	`for one`
`02:45.27`	`DJJeff`	`to almost always auto sell`
`02:45.49`	`foxlit`	`I basically have an empty bag.`
`02:45.55`	`DJJeff`	`how do I get better looking char potraits`
`02:46.09`	`foxlit`	`Whatever ends up there at the end of an instance I basically have to get rid of.`
`02:46.10`	`DJJeff`	`the animated ones`
`02:46.28`	`DJJeff`	`as seen here.......`
`02:46.29`	`DJJeff`	`http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evildagmar/World%20of%20Warcraft/WoWScrnShot_031208_154700.jpg`
`02:46.32`	`DJJeff`	`in the top left`
`02:46.49`	`Torhal`	`DJJeff: Get a UnitFrame AddOn like SUF, Pitbull4, etc`
`02:46.59`	`DJJeff`	`hrmmmmmmm`
`02:47.05`	`DJJeff`	`I just want that 1 thing changed`
`02:47.10`	`DJJeff`	`not my whole unitframe`
`02:47.28`	`DJJeff`	`unless.......`
`02:47.29`	`Torhal`	`BTW: 3D portraits can cause an FPS hit.`
`02:47.40`	`DJJeff`	`they prob will`
`02:47.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`So can anything`
`02:47.51`	`foxlit`	`Torhal: the same way that sneezing causes a FPS hit?`
`02:47.59`	`Torhal`	`foxlit: No, sneezing is much worse.`
`02:48.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`^`
`02:48.11`	`Torhal`	`But DJJeff was complaining about his underpowered machine a few days ago...`
`02:48.15`	`DJJeff`	`Sneezing on your LCD can blank it out`
`02:48.28`	`DJJeff`	`I get 30 fps fine.....`
`02:48.53`	`DJJeff`	`its just when too many people are within a few yards of me`
`02:49.00`	`DJJeff`	`It lags to 3fps`
`02:49.05`	`Dagmar`	`DJJeff: http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evildagmar/World%20of%20Warcraft/?action=view&current=WoWScrnShot_010410_204428.jpg`
`02:49.14`	`foxlit`	`That's called "Dalaran"`
`02:49.18`	`DJJeff`	`I get 30 out in the wild and 2 in Dalaran`
`02:49.20`	`Dagmar`	`Note that there's a Trash category, as well as a Quest Items category`
`02:49.45`	`foxlit`	`It eats your entire screen, Dagmar?`
`02:49.49`	`Dagmar`	`...and that I like to keep my booze where I can find it easily`
`02:49.57`	`Dagmar`	`I have a lot of crap.`
`02:50.08`	`Dagmar`	`Unless I tell AI to just make everything smaller, that's going to happen`
`02:50.31`	`foxlit`	`ah, just an annoyingly wide screenshot`
`02:50.39`	`Dagmar`	`I have an annoyingly wide screen`
`02:50.51`	`foxlit`	`annoying!`
`02:51.42`	`DJJeff`	`I love my 23" 1080p LCD`
`02:51.44`	`DJJeff`	`weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee`
`02:52.15`	`Dagmar`	`I'm going to just chuck some of those wands soon--cull them down to one of each`
`02:52.21`	`Dagmar`	`I have a problem with letting things go.`
`02:52.54`	`foxlit`	`No tier 2 set in bank?`
`02:52.58`	`Dagmar`	`By the time Cata gets here I'll have had to clear some space for my older gear as a just-in-case measuer`
`02:53.03`	`Dagmar`	`I never actually got Tier 2`
`02:53.16`	`Dagmar`	`This T9 is literally the first time I've _had_ more than two pieces`
`02:53.36`	`Jerub`	`you keep all your old tier pieces?`
`02:53.42`	`Dagmar`	`Nope.`
`02:53.42`	`Jerub`	`i'm just about to start throwing them away...`
`02:54.06`	`Jerub`	`so with icc, is it really just "stack stam and no mitigation stats" ?`
`02:54.09`	`Dagmar`	`...although I've got the two pieces I was wearing from before (T8?) still because i just replaced them`
`02:54.10`	`foxlit`	`I keep /interesting/ tier pieces.`
`02:54.19`	`Dagmar`	`For awhile I was running around with the 2-piece set bonus for both sets`
`02:54.23`	`foxlit`	`Tier 2 qualifies. So does 6.`
`02:54.30`	`Jerub`	`i just got the most horrific helm. it has moose horns.`
`02:54.30`	`DJJeff`	`I have [Northrend Dungeonmaster] and to get [Classic Dungeonmaster] I just need [Lower Blackrock Spire] grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr`
`02:54.32`	`Jerub`	`ony25 drop`
`02:54.37`	`Dagmar`	`I'm regretting having gottten the 245 shoulders instead of the help`
`02:54.43`	`foxlit`	`lbs is pretty soloable.`
`02:54.44`	`WobWork`	`hehe 'Boist'`
`02:54.46`	`Legorol`	`Jerub: nonsense about the "stack stam" bit`
`02:54.49`	`foxlit`	`In fact, soloable at 80!`
`02:54.49`	`Dagmar`	`er helm, since the shoulders being brigher makes the helm look weird`
`02:54.57`	`foxlit`	`s/8/7/`
`02:55.02`	`Legorol`	`just because there is Chill of the Throne, it doesn't make avoidance bad`
`02:55.09`	`Legorol`	`avoidance still makes your healers have to heal you less`
`02:55.11`	`Dagmar`	`WobWork: Yeah I never relabeled it since we lost most of our burst capability`
`02:55.17`	`Jerub`	`i tried icc25 and saw our tanks fall over on the pull :/`
`02:55.22`	`Dagmar`	`It still pops Bestial Wrath and Rapid Fire`
`02:55.25`	`Jerub`	`http://quickarmory.com/?n=brandi&r=Dath%27Remar <- my current build.`
`02:55.38`	`Dagmar`	`It used to kick off those haste drums at level 70 as well`
`02:55.46`	`Legorol`	`Jerub: weird, i actually changed a few pieces away from my heroic Gormok gear as i didn't need so much HP`
`02:56.03`	`Jerub`	`Legorol: i tihnk they may have just sucked though`
`02:56.15`	`Legorol`	`that's possible`
`02:56.16`	`WobWork`	`I sucked pretty terribly as a tank recently`
`02:56.19`	`WobWork`	`just got back into it`
`02:56.26`	`WobWork`	`none of my reactions are there =(`
`02:56.36`	`Dagmar`	`Heh. I'm LFD'ing my way back into shape`
`02:56.40`	`foxlit`	`It's almost never "stat A" versus "stat B"`
`02:56.42`	`Dagmar`	`...in _regular_ dungeons`
`02:56.53`	`foxlit`	`"X stat A" versus "Y stat B" is a more annoying consideration.`
`02:56.57`	`Legorol`	`of course ICC is a tier higher, so you do need some stam too`
`02:57.07`	`Jerub`	`i just hit 40k unbuffed today`
`02:57.15`	`Legorol`	`but the bosses do hit (relatively) weaker, so you can finally put some avoidance on and make your healers happy`
`02:57.17`	`WobWork`	`stuck at 39`
`02:57.22`	`Jerub`	`will probably brush 41k once i do some more JC dailies.`
`02:57.25`	`WobWork`	`but then, I haven't gotten any new gear since patch`
`02:57.27`	`Jerub`	`don't have enough dragons eye's yet.`
`02:57.38`	`Legorol`	`buy them on AH`
`02:57.51`	`Legorol`	`39k unbuffed should be enough for ICC25 (for now)`
`02:57.51`	`Dagmar`	`I found something pretty funny last night. The Dalaran Elixir... when it turns you into a leetle wasp, if you attack a rat it makes your weapon appear`
`02:58.02`	`Dagmar`	`A wasp with a teensy-weensy Marrowstrike`
`02:58.03`	`Legorol`	`gnight peeps`
`02:58.09`	`Jerub`	`Dagmar: hehehehehe`
`02:59.02`	`Jerub`	`sigh. i'm going to have to get used to the fact that i outgear my guildmates...`
`02:59.08`	`Dagmar`	`I trust that these two illustrations will make Bronjahm doable by even people with recent head injuries now: http://www.wowwiki.com/Bronjahm#Strategy`
`02:59.25`	`Dagmar`	`Jerub: Ugh. My gf's working up her DK tank. Occasionally she slips up a bit`
`02:59.32`	`Dagmar`	`My monkey can take threat off her because of the T9`
`02:59.53`	`DJJeff`	`..........`
`02:59.54`	`DJJeff`	`http://i49.tinypic.com/2zixbba.jpg`
`03:00.04`	`DJJeff`	`does anyone else see that yellow "?" on my minimap`
`03:00.09`	`DJJeff`	`or is that just me`
`03:00.14`	`Jerub`	`Dagmar: ... we let the hunters pet tank malgannis last night for lols.`
`03:00.32`	`DJJeff`	`now that "F" thats near 14 does that lead to "F" thats near 17 ?`
`03:00.35`	`*** join/#wowuidev ChaosInc (n=ChaosInc@64.211.118.205)`
`03:00.37`	`Dagmar`	`Jerub: Yeah that's one of the few Heroic bosses a pet can tank`
`03:00.43`	`alestane`	`Mal'Ganis isn't very tankable anyway from what I recall.`
`03:00.50`	`Dagmar`	`FOr most of the rest, two quick crits and yer ressing the pet in a panic`
`03:01.02`	`Jerub`	`Dagmar: few? we're going to set his pet on growl, i'm going to put on my healing gear and see what ELSE he can tank.`
`03:01.14`	`Jerub`	`;)`
`03:01.16`	`DJJeff`	`there is a "C-F" connection but 2 "F"`
`03:01.18`	`Dagmar`	`Jerub: Well, if you have a half-decent healer, every normal instance but ToC`
`03:01.22`	`DJJeff`	`stupid atlas`
`03:01.29`	`foxlit`	`Dagmar: "be here to not die" << me likes.`
`03:01.32`	`Dagmar`	`DJJeff: Scholo's a freakin' maze`
`03:01.40`	`DJJeff`	`yes is it`
`03:01.43`	`DJJeff`	`yes it is`
`03:01.52`	`foxlit`	`Scholo is a pretty simple layout.`
`03:01.58`	`cbreak`	`Scholo's easy. That damn level 40 instance in barrens is a maze`
`03:02.01`	`Dagmar`	`Jerub: My guild leader pretty much made me tank all the normal mode instances while we were leveling`
`03:02.01`	`DJJeff`	`its 10man too`
`03:02.06`	`foxlit`	`LBRS does more to mess with your head, really.`
`03:02.17`	`Dagmar`	`Jerub: ...specially since I took all those talents to just make the pet a monster.`
`03:02.17`	`foxlit`	`all that going up down and around.`
`03:02.24`	`DJJeff`	`LBRS uses up and down`
`03:02.27`	`Dagmar`	`He loved getting gigantic healing crits`
`03:02.40`	`DJJeff`	`I want to get to ummmmmm 19 though`
`03:02.41`	`DJJeff`	`plz`
`03:02.47`	`DJJeff`	`for the Achievement`
`03:03.01`	`Dagmar`	`I'd have been screwed if I didn't have the G5 mouse buttons exclusively for pet control`
`03:03.06`	`DJJeff`	`I made it to 9`
`03:03.08`	`DJJeff`	`then quit`
`03:03.16`	`DJJeff`	`lol`
`03:03.22`	`Dagmar`	`9 what?`
`03:03.24`	`DJJeff`	`I had like 50 guys on me @ 9`
`03:03.33`	`DJJeff`	`http://i49.tinypic.com/2zixbba.jpg`
`03:03.37`	`DJJeff`	`the # 9`
`03:03.41`	`DJJeff`	`on Atlas`
`03:04.13`	`Dagmar`	`Ah`
`03:04.17`	`DJJeff`	`was at 9 ran towards E`
`03:04.29`	`DJJeff`	`went around the corner then got lost`
`03:04.38`	`Dagmar`	`Just kill everyone you see`
`03:04.44`	`DJJeff`	`hahahahaha`
`03:04.47`	`DJJeff`	`good idea`
`03:04.51`	`DJJeff`	`solo LBRS`
`03:04.52`	`Dagmar`	`That place turns into a mess too quickly if you're not basically doing a full clear while soloing it`
`03:04.54`	`DJJeff`	`a 10 man raid`
`03:05.01`	`Dagmar`	`Done it.`
`03:05.16`	`foxlit`	`You could solo LBRS at 70.`
`03:05.18`	`alestane`	`LBRS is designed for 5 level 55s or so.`
`03:05.19`	`Jerub`	`we have a hunter who has soloed most of the level 60 raids.`
`03:05.20`	`DJJeff`	`I have the pike thingy and his head`
`03:05.20`	`Dagmar`	`I couldn't solo UBRS, but I wasn't trying real hard either`
`03:05.22`	`Dagmar`	`I was tired`
`03:05.28`	`Jerub`	`except ZG. because of the MC on the last boss`
`03:05.39`	`DJJeff`	`UBRS glitched on us`
`03:05.42`	`foxlit`	`LBRS is actually a 5-man, iirc.`
`03:05.43`	`DJJeff`	`I had 10 ppl`
`03:05.49`	`foxlit`	`It's UBRS that they expect you to raid.`
`03:05.58`	`Jerub`	`I got llocked in one of the jail cell sin LBRS`
`03:06.06`	`Dagmar`	`Ouch`
`03:06.07`	`Jerub`	`had to leave group to getteleported to the GY`
`03:07.05`	`cbreak`	`We had people get feared on the core dog in UBRS and reappearing on the other continent in that small zone west of the barrens`
`03:07.10`	`cbreak`	`what was it's name again?`
`03:07.27`	`Jerub`	`west of barrens? mulgore`
`03:07.28`	`Jerub`	`TB`
`03:09.16`	`cbreak`	`stonetalon? Hmm.`
`03:09.25`	`cbreak`	`Anyway, far away from UBRS`
`03:09.44`	`cbreak`	`we had to run all the way out of the instance so our warlock could summon him back`
`03:13.55`	`Jerub`	`heh, classic summoning stones. :P`
`03:14.18`	*** join/#wowuidev Arrowmaster` (i=arrow@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ResponsibleForEverythingAndNothing/Arrowmaster)
`03:16.12`	Arrowmaster`	`what the fuck`
`03:16.23`	`Jerub`	`Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)`
`03:16.36`	Arrowmaster`	`i come home and try to unlock my computer and X crashes`
`03:16.39`	`Jerub`	`that peer fella, if i ever find him i'm going to beat the living shit out of him.`
`03:17.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Arrowmaster: time to check your xorg logs!`
`03:17.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`and when i try to restart GDM, my keyboard and mouse dont work`
`03:17.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`but the keyboard works on vt1`
`03:17.50`	`Cide`	`what can I say? *nix sucks, go windows if you want stability.`
`03:17.58`	`cbreak`	`get a mac`
`03:18.01`	`*** part/#wowuidev S9-Angelic (i=jennifer@mta1.snow-family.org)`
`03:18.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`so i was forced to reboot with a 67 day uptime`
`03:18.02`	`cbreak`	`it just works`
`03:18.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`buhahahaha`
`03:18.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`@ everything above`
`03:18.14`	`cbreak`	`(and X is optional :)`
`03:21.03`	`DJJeff`	`I wonder if someone would make a full walkthrough of LBRS in a youtube segment`
`03:21.20`	`DJJeff`	`take it in pieces`
`03:21.27`	`alestane`	`I have more useful things to do, like learn Latin.`
`03:21.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`~alestane++`
`03:21.57`	`cbreak`	`you want to dual spec to resto?`
`03:21.59`	`DJJeff`	`wow`
`03:22.02`	`DJJeff`	`someone did`
`03:22.06`	`DJJeff`	`in under 9 min`
`03:22.10`	`Cide`	`I was gonna come with a sarcastic comment, but alestane's was both better and shorter`
`03:22.14`	`DJJeff`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efw67lT9wc0`
`03:22.20`	`Cide`	`~alestane++`
`03:23.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`Jan 4 22:00:52 tohsaka kernel: [5832570.043670] NVRM: Xid (0004:00): 9, Channel 00000002 Instance 0000047e status 0000001d`
`03:23.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats all ive got from the crash`
`03:23.51`	`*** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree)`
`03:23.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`check Xorg.1.log`
`03:24.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`xorg.1.log is from 2009-09-12`
`03:24.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`heh`
`03:24.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`gg`
`03:24.24`	`kd3`	`gah`
`03:24.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`maybe not!`
`03:24.26`	`kd3`	`may have to build a htpc`
`03:24.28`	`kd3`	`damned driver bugs`
`03:24.30`	`kd3`	`grrs at nvidia`
`03:24.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`kd3: that's what you get for buying new hardware... you tend to buy more`
`03:24.49`	`Dagmar`	`Odd`
`03:25.00`	`Dagmar`	`Using VDPAU?`
`03:25.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`kd3: my X just crashed and when i restarted gdm X wouldnt detect my keyboard/mouse =(`
`03:25.23`	`Dagmar`	`That sounds more like the USB chipset driver tanked`
`03:25.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
`03:25.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`the keyboard worked perfectly fine in the console`
`03:25.49`	`Dagmar`	`Delicious`
`03:27.05`	`cbreak`	`you manually restarted X?`
`03:27.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`whoo`
`03:27.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3803/shot00001q3.png`
`03:28.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`^ nouveau`
`03:28.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`not my screenshot, but still`
`03:28.20`	`kd3`	`11fps in noveau? damn, that's impressive`
`03:28.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`also running on a 16MB card`
`03:28.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`TNT2`
`03:28.33`	`cbreak`	`that game looks ancient`
`03:28.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It is`
`03:29.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm just glad to see progress on it`
`03:31.12`	`Adys`	`who cares, nvidia has awesome drivers and they're not dropping them`
`03:31.20`	`Adys`	`should get development on the ATI drivers`
`03:31.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`<--`
`03:31.34`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm running nouveau now`
`03:31.42`	`Adys`	`why!`
`03:32.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No messing with per-kernel drivers and tainting the kernel preventing bug reports and wine rebuilds on driver updates and semi-functional multi-monitor support that doesn't support xrandr`
`03:32.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The list goes on`
`03:33.01`	`Adys`	`what, nvidia drivers support xrandr`
`03:33.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`not fully`
`03:33.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`namely with multi-monitor`
`03:33.24`	`Adys`	`also just in general, the nvidia drivers work better`
`03:33.30`	`Adys`	`you're trading a bad for a worse`
`03:33.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`points at the above list`
`03:33.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`nvidia does some weird xrandr stuff when using multimonitor`
`03:33.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I lose VDPAU (have an i7, so whatever) and compiz (which I don't care for)`
`03:34.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I gain everything else I listed`
`03:34.13`	`Adys`	`and you lose pretty much every 3d app`
`03:34.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`WARNING! WARNING! CARE LEVEL APPROACHING ZERO!`
`03:34.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah I dual boot`
`03:34.28`	`Adys`	`i mean if you only care about 2d go ahead`
`03:34.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`If I need something 3D`
`03:35.01`	`Dagmar`	`Hmm.. Just works for me`
`03:35.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I press the "restart" button and select "Windows"`
`03:35.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`btw have i mentioned how kickass the vdpau deinterlacer is?`
`03:35.40`	`cbreak`	`progressive content ftw`
`03:35.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That I may believe, but I haven't ever actually used it`
`03:35.51`	`Dagmar`	`It somewhat depends on which card you have and which deint you're using`
`03:35.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`dvds of a 1999 tv series arent progressive`
`03:36.22`	`cbreak`	`worth watching?`
`03:36.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`farscape`
`03:36.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`so...`
`03:36.38`	`cbreak`	`nope.`
`03:36.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`YES`
`03:36.39`	`Dagmar`	`That would be a "yes" then`
`03:36.42`	`cbreak`	`runs`
`03:37.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Adys: in short, 3D on linux isn't something I care enough for to run the NV drivers`
`03:37.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`shrugs`
`03:37.13`	`mikma`	`oh man, gotta love the recruit-a-friend`
`03:37.17`	`Adys`	`meh`
`03:37.38`	`Adys`	`either way i rather see bugfixes on the official nvidia drivers than the nouveau ones`
`03:37.47`	`Adys`	`nouveau is one of "those" projects`
`03:37.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"those"?`
`03:37.58`	`Adys`	`yeah`
`03:38.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`define "those"`
`03:38.07`	`mikma`	`wife's brother was weak. wife gave him a wow as xmas present and we just hit lvl60 with the chars`
`03:38.10`	`Dagmar`	`I especially like the episodes where it just turns into "Crichton and the Space Women"`
`03:38.25`	`Adys`	`the kind of project thats started by someone too stuck up to use something proprietary, with 3-4 fanatics following development`
`03:38.28`	`Adys`	`which eventually dies`
`03:38.29`	`mikma`	`he got addicted to the auctinhouse and leveling professions`
`03:38.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`03:38.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`yeah that explains a lot about your feelings towards it`
`03:38.43`	`Adys`	`not saying its a bad idea or whatever`
`03:38.59`	`Adys`	`just saying its never gonna work, unless theres some much more serious development put into it`
`03:39.02`	`Dagmar`	`Adys: You forgot "...and will continually and permanently lag behind the non-free drivers"`
`03:39.04`	`mikma`	`what was it, farscape?`
`03:39.09`	`Adys`	`Yeah Dagmar`
`03:39.13`	`Adys`	`same with Gnash too`
`03:39.53`	`Adys`	`back when flash was terrible on amd64 with firefox (not that it isnt now, but im using chrome64 with flash64 now)`
`03:40.01`	`Dagmar`	`I especially liked it when the bar patron in that one episode sees them coming and pretty much says "Oh crap. That's Crichton and his women. He's a man's man but we need to FLEE HERE."`
`03:40.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`all I can really say is that http://pastey.net/131001 wouldn't have happened if it was really about to just die due to inactivity`
`03:40.04`	`Adys`	`i was looking at alternative, saw gnash, twas terrible`
`03:40.09`	`Adys`	`i reported a couple of usability bugs`
`03:40.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`gnash still is pretty terrible`
`03:40.17`	`Adys`	`i dont think they ever got triaged, that was 3 years ago`
`03:40.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`nouveau is working great for me`
`03:41.04`	`Adys`	`also, they're still better than mesa`
`03:41.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`from what I can tell, the gnash project got to the point where they could play ~70% of youtube videos and called it good`
`03:41.08`	`cbreak`	`Open Source DRM driver?`
`03:41.12`	`cbreak`	`sounds wicked`
`03:41.22`	`Adys`	`which is why they're getting included in the kernel`
`03:41.24`	`Jerub`	`ScytheBlade1: 'play'`
`03:41.27`	`kd3`	`not digital rights management`
`03:41.30`	`Adys`	`Jerub: yeah`
`03:41.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Jerub: true`
`03:41.33`	`Adys`	`"play"`
`03:41.33`	`Jerub`	`ScytheBlade1: as oppoesd to 'can be used to watch'`
`03:41.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`glares at his libflashplayer.so distastefully`
`03:42.12`	`Adys`	`glares at his youtube-html5 extension, tastefully`
`03:42.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I tried that`
`03:42.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It didn't work`
`03:42.31`	`Adys`	`amro said the same, whats up with that? it just works here`
`03:42.39`	`Adys`	`it looks shit though but thats partly webkit's fault`
`03:42.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`mumbles about adobes linux 64bit libflashplayer.so not working with 'all' streaming video sites`
`03:42.57`	`Adys`	`theres no scaling, so shittons of pixellization`
`03:43.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`probably because I'm on 64-bit linux with a 64-bit chrome dev build`
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`03:43.16`	`Adys`	`Im on 64bit linux with a 64bit chrome dev build too`
`03:43.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`then no idea`
`03:43.22`	`cbreak`	`mplayer can play it most likely Arrowmaster`
`03:43.32`	`Adys`	`maybe its your video drivers fault, ScytheBlade1`
`03:43.34`	`Adys`	`:P:P`
`03:43.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`03:43.37`	`cbreak`	`if you manage to download it somehow`
`03:43.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`keep trying!`
`03:43.51`	`Adys`	`can you at least right click the video?`
`03:43.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`cbreak: the ones that load the video from an external source than the main swf?`
`03:44.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It never loads`
`03:44.13`	`Adys`	`yeah but can you right click it?`
`03:44.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I get a line of text talking about a chrome bug and nothing else`
`03:44.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No window proper`
`03:44.20`	`cbreak`	`Arrowmaster: the ones where you get an flv or mp4 container`
`03:44.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Just a single line of text where the full box for the video should be`
`03:44.32`	`cbreak`	`mplayer can NOT play flash content`
`03:44.36`	`Adys`	`hmmmmmm`
`03:44.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cbreak: yes it can`
`03:44.41`	`cbreak`	`it can play movies that are played back by flash`
`03:44.45`	`cbreak`	`ScytheBlade1: nope`
`03:44.52`	`Adys`	`every video works here cbreak`
`03:44.56`	`cbreak`	`mplayer can not execute action script`
`03:44.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`okay, fair enough, that depends on how you define 'flash content'`
`03:45.04`	`cbreak`	`so it can NOT play flash content`
`03:45.10`	`cbreak`	`it can ONLY play movies`
`03:45.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`it can play .flv which is still flash!`
`03:45.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(ssshhhhh)`
`03:45.25`	`cbreak`	`flv is just a movie in a flv container`
`03:45.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No it's a little more than that`
`03:45.34`	`cbreak`	`swf is flash`
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`03:45.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`They put serious effort into making flv streamable`
`03:45.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`and seekable over the intertubes`
`03:46.06`	`Adys`	`the dev is gone`
`03:46.10`	`Adys`	`no update in ages`
`03:46.16`	`Adys`	`wtfail :/`
`03:46.16`	`cbreak`	`and despite all those efforts, they use mp4 containers on youtube :D`
`03:46.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`yup`
`03:46.28`	`cbreak`	`(for some of the movies)`
`03:46.30`	`cbreak`	`qualities`
`03:46.32`	`Adys`	`well might be xmas holidays`
`03:47.08`	`Adys`	`http://code.google.com/p/youtube-html5-chrome/wiki/UpstreamBugs`
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`03:49.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Adys: before I sleep, concerning nouveau, red hat has (at least) 2 employees who work on nouveau full time with fedora`
`03:49.25`	`cbreak`	`ScytheBlade1: try playing this flash movie with mplayer :) http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/485797`
`03:49.41`	`Adys`	`ScytheBlade1: if having paid employees working on software could improve it, wow would be a decent game :P`
`03:49.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've reported a couple nouveau bugs, they've all been fixed`
`03:50.06`	`Adys`	`twas a joke`
`03:50.19`	`Adys`	`also meh i dont believe it'll ever really catch up`
`03:50.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`yeah sorry, I woke up with a migraine`
`03:51.18`	`Adys`	`if it does, nvidia would probably either open source their drivers (which would render the project pointless), or change formats and what shit on new cards (which would just go back to zero)`
`03:52.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Their official stance on the project is to neither help nor break it`
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`03:52.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Admittedly, that is their current stance, no reason they couldn't change that in the future`
`03:52.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But that has been said by a few NV people`
`03:52.34`	`foxlit`	`There would seem to be no reason for either of those behaviors.`
`03:54.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	in any case, the driver is now in the linux kernel, and `git log` lists piles and piles of fixes since it was added
`03:54.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`which was... not long ago`
`03:54.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I doubt it is going away any time soon`
`03:59.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`meh`
`03:59.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`sleep`
`04:10.40`	`Adys`	`wxWidgets sucks so hard`
`04:10.51`	`Jerub`	`heh`
`04:10.52`	`Jerub`	`yeah`
`04:19.23`	`Dagmar`	`Well, at least it's no more painful on one platform than another`
`04:19.34`	`Dagmar`	`"Equally intolerable everywhere"`
`04:38.56`	`Cide`	`Adys: why?`
`04:39.15`	`Adys`	`Cide: because it absolutely does`
`04:39.25`	`Cide`	`got a better framework?`
`04:39.28`	`Adys`	`its slow, it freezes easily, it looks shit`
`04:39.29`	`Adys`	`yeah qt`
`04:42.03`	`cbreak`	`Qt is nice`
`04:42.12`	`cbreak`	`or you could use Java`
`04:42.22`	`kd3`	`ick`
`04:42.24`	`Adys`	`pukes: PUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKESSSS`
`04:42.27`	`cbreak`	`at least it doesn't have to be recompiled :)`
`04:42.29`	`kd3`	`right once run nowhere`
`04:42.32`	`kd3`	`s/right/write/`
`04:42.50`	`Duman`	`heh`
`04:42.51`	`cbreak`	`Java runs in a VM. And only there :/`
`04:43.02`	`Adys`	`I systematically look for replacements when I find a java app that does what I need`
`04:43.30`	`Kraps`	`soooo, dks dont benefit from spellpoer`
`04:43.37`	`kd3`	`no, no they don't`
`04:44.31`	`Dagmar`	`Keeps 'em out of the pally mail`
`04:44.33`	`Dagmar`	`er plate`
`04:45.49`	`WobWork`	`pallies are really the only class that doesn't share armour types with any other class`
`04:46.25`	`cbreak`	`Spell damage shamans`
`04:46.37`	`cbreak`	`Healer Trees`
`04:46.54`	`Kraps`	`do ret/prot pallies go for sp or str, or a combination of the two?`
`04:47.03`	`WobWork`	`spell power mail gets used by pallies`
`04:47.18`	`WobWork`	`and terrible hunters`
`04:47.46`	`WobWork`	`healer tree armour could be used by resto shaman`
`04:49.13`	`Kraps`	`I WANT AN 80 OF EVERY CLASS`
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`04:52.36`	`Kraps`	`sup`
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`04:54.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`~staple Thunder_Child`
`04:54.50`	`purl`	`ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Thunder_Child quite well, and hands Thunder_Child to thunder_child`
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`05:02.58`	`WobWork`	`only doesn't have a warrior, warlock, and a pally above 70`
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`05:25.23`	`Kraps`	`http://notalwaysright.com/in-spock-we-trust/3685`
`05:28.19`	`Kraps`	`http://notalwaysright.com/a-misunderstanding-of-pi/3662`
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`05:49.13`	`Adys`	`http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/22418861894-oculus-loot-improvements.html`
`05:49.59`	`Adys`	`"plz play our game^Winstance"`
`05:50.00`	`Dagmar`	`Yep.`
`05:50.07`	`Dagmar`	`That'll do it for me.`
`05:50.21`	`Dagmar`	`I didn't have a big problem with Oculus before, but I won't be backing away from free nadges`
`05:50.23`	`Dagmar`	`er badges`
`05:51.00`	`Dagmar`	`waits for the forums threads whining about how "rarely" Oculus is chosen by LFD now`
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`05:56.20`	`Jerub`	`I got occy on a random where the tank had quit after the 3rd boss not realising there was a 4th`
`05:56.31`	`Jerub`	`win. simple drake fight, done.`
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`05:58.44`	`Dagmar`	`I've given up on worrying too much about the other puggers in that tho`
`05:59.04`	`Dagmar`	`If you played a wizard in EQ, moving from platform to platform without aggroing any dragons is second nature.`
`05:59.31`	`Dagmar`	`THey land, I've got a fire goin'... I'm having a nice little snack`
`06:02.16`	`Dagmar`	`The way most people manage to aggro practically every dragon around you'd think they dropped purples`
`06:02.48`	`Jerub`	`just blogging about that change, anyone know a good screenshot of people leaving a dungeon due to occy?`
`06:03.04`	`Dagmar`	`I knew I shoudn't have deleted that`
`06:03.25`	`Dagmar`	`The _first_ random of 2010 was Oculus for me and two other guildies`
`06:04.10`	`Dagmar`	`We commented that we'd rather it not have been that--the two puggers pretty much said "Well, that's all I need to hear! You guys have fun in yer next one!" and quit`
`06:05.00`	`Jerub`	`Dagmar: did you have a screenshot?`
`06:05.20`	`Dagmar`	`I had one. I just purged almost everything after doing some artwork earlier`
`06:06.43`	`Dagmar`	`Seems like every time I purge a lot of data, there's always something in there I still needed. Ah well`
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`06:09.18`	`Jerub`	`I really need to learn to write.`
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`06:11.16`	`Dagmar`	`You'll never get a job on a reality show with that attitude`
`06:20.31`	`bleeter`	`hahaha @ occy change`
`06:20.33`	`bleeter`	`http://is.gd/5Myqu`
`06:22.10`	`bleeter`	`coz people were dumping group on random dungeons if it were occy`
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`06:35.34`	`Torhal`	`That makes me wonder if they're slightly retarded. The problem was mainly that Oculus was chosen "randomly" far too often.`
`06:36.06`	`Adys`	`self.name.replace("'", "\\\\\\'")`
`06:36.15`	`Adys`	`cries`
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`06:42.40`	`SqueeG_`	`I fucking hate Occulus`
`06:42.56`	`SqueeG_`	`Give me my name back, server!`
`06:43.58`	`Jerub`	`it's such an easy instance now.`
`06:44.02`	`Jerub`	`i mean, it's buggy.`
`06:44.20`	`Jerub`	`(basically, if you land, and you're in combat wiht a drake in the air, you're roast)`
`06:44.44`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/quel-delar/`
`06:44.47`	`Adys`	`added ingame links`
`06:46.48`	`bleeter`	`SqueeG_: /msg nickserv help ghost`
`06:47.01`	`SqueeG_`	`yea i know, i know`
`06:47.04`	`bleeter`	`k`
`06:47.08`	`SqueeG_`	`Thanks though xD`
`06:47.15`	`Adys`	`if you know then why dont you!`
`06:47.20`	`SqueeG_`	`Just felt like bitching for a sec :p`
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`07:08.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart art3mis`
`07:08.33`	`purl`	`keeps mailing art3mis free America Online CDs until he drowns`
`07:15.30`	`Fisker`	`slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout`
`07:16.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker`
`07:16.10`	`Fisker`	`Thunder_Child`
`07:16.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker`
`07:16.18`	`Fisker`	`Thunder_Child`
`07:16.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker`
`07:16.24`	`Fisker`	`Thunder_ChildÂ`
`07:16.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker`
`07:16.30`	`Fisker`	`Thunder_ChildÂ`
`07:16.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker`
`07:16.35`	`Fisker`	`Thunder_ChildÂ Â`
`07:16.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker`
`07:16.38`	`Fisker`	`Thunder_ChildÂ Â`
`07:16.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker`
`07:16.44`	`Fisker`	`Thunder_ChildÂ Â Â`
`07:16.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker`
`07:16.49`	`Fisker`	`Thunder_ChildÂ Â Â`
`07:16.51`	`Fisker`	`also no u`
`07:16.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker`
`07:17.01`	`Fisker`	`i r done`
`07:17.06`	`Fisker`	`i hate you`
`07:17.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`fail`
`07:17.31`	`Fisker`	`i hope you live until the end of time`
`07:17.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats mean`
`07:17.56`	`Fisker`	`yes`
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`07:22.33`	`Bruners`	`good morning Fisker`
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`08:51.23`	`zenzio`	`http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/04/funny-pictures-he-was-a-kangaroo/`
`08:51.35`	`Fisker`	`stop it zenzio`
`08:51.56`	`zenzio`	`this is especially for you Fisker: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/04/funny-pictures-your-use-of-technology/`
`08:52.01`	`Fisker`	`stop it`
`08:52.18`	`Kalroth`	`awww <3`
`08:52.24`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Fisker u dont like kittehs?`
`08:52.27`	`Kalroth`	`such a qt`
`08:52.56`	`Fisker`	`oh fuck that Kalroth`
`08:53.00`	`Fisker`	`qt = cutie`
`08:53.03`	`Fisker`	`lol`
`08:53.03`	`Kalroth`	`:D`
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`09:30.47`	`Wobin`	`http://www.ironicsans.com/2010/01/esoteric_comic_4.html`
`09:36.36`	`Kalroth`	`:D`
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`10:41.52`	`Polarina`	`haste: Ping!`
`10:43.56`	`haste`	`Polarina: pong`
`10:44.07`	`Polarina`	`haste: I was looking at oGlow, but how does it work when an item is broken (zero durability)? Does it still show that red glow?`
`10:44.37`	`haste`	`It should`
`10:44.44`	`Polarina`	`How would that work?`
`10:44.56`	`haste`	`like I remember that!`
`10:45.01`	`Polarina`	`:(`
`10:45.21`	`haste`	`it's possible that I removed that temporary tho' D:`
`10:45.26`	`Polarina`	`:(`
`10:45.50`	`Polarina`	`Also, how would I make common an poor quality items also glow?`
`10:46.12`	`haste`	`depends on the version`
`10:46.34`	`Polarina`	`The latest?`
`10:46.46`	`Polarina`	`1.12`
`10:46.46`	`haste`	`ie. git head?`
`10:46.46`	`haste`	`oh`
`10:46.58`	`haste`	`the old version does handle broken items`
`10:47.20`	`Polarina`	`Oh, cool.`
`10:47.29`	`Polarina`	`And common and poor items as well?`
`10:47.37`	`haste`	`line 32 in core/glow.lua handles quality threshold`
`10:47.50`	`Polarina`	`Thanks.`
`10:49.32`	`Polarina`	`:D`
`10:49.51`	`Polarina`	`o.O`
`10:49.56`	`Polarina`	`It's out of date. :(`
`10:52.39`	`Polarina`	`Is it possible to make the glows not so bright, a bit more transparent?`
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`10:53.38`	`haste`	`line 16 in core/glow.lua`
`10:53.45`	`Polarina`	`:P`
`10:53.47`	`Polarina`	`Thanks.`
`10:54.14`	`haste`	`1.12 is vastly different from git head :P`
`10:54.33`	`Polarina`	`o.O`
`10:54.37`	`Polarina`	`How different?`
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`10:55.19`	`haste`	`http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/162204/ about this`
`10:55.47`	`haste`	`ah damn, incorrect direction on the diff, but you get the idea :p`
`10:56.07`	`haste`	`aw, some random mob ganked my alt in-game :(`
`10:56.16`	`Polarina`	`o.O`
`10:56.42`	`Polarina`	`Is it any better than 1.12?`
`10:56.53`	`Adys`	`I need someone to recommend me an extremely minimal desktop manager which could replace this POS called Plasma`
`10:57.01`	`haste`	`Adys: wmii!`
`10:57.02`	`Polarina`	`Adys: XFCE`
`10:57.10`	`Adys`	`i said desktop manager`
`10:57.11`	`haste`	`he said extremely minimal`
`10:57.33`	`Adys`	`i dont want another window manager`
`10:57.36`	`Adys`	`kwin is perfect`
`10:57.43`	`Polarina`	`GNOME?`
`10:57.46`	`haste`	`anyway Polarina, it does more, yet less atm`
`10:57.49`	`Adys`	`i said minimal.`
`10:57.55`	`Polarina`	`:(`
`10:57.57`	`Adys`	`i just want a taskbar/dockbar, nothing else`
`10:58.05`	`haste`	`Adys: just abuse the xfce panels thingies D:`
`10:58.24`	`haste`	`Polarina: I kinda work on it when I feel like it currently`
`10:58.29`	`Adys`	`xfce is lightweight if you only run xfce`
`10:58.32`	`haste`	`which is once in a blue moon when the planets align`
`10:58.35`	`Adys`	`Im still running some other shit here`
`10:59.19`	`haste`	`don't think there's that many desktop managers for kde`
`10:59.25`	`haste`	`or Qt based at least`
`11:00.00`	`Adys`	`arent most desktop managers not based on a gui framework?`
`11:01.11`	`haste`	`nautilius (or whatever) is heavily based on GTK at least`
`11:01.27`	`haste`	`and plasma is most likely heavily based on Qt and KDELibs`
`11:02.42`	`Adys`	`nautilus isnt really a desktop manager`
`11:02.45`	`Adys`	`it just acts as one`
`11:03.01`	`Adys`	`gnome desktop management is pretty messed up`
`11:03.05`	`haste`	`yeh, I know`
`11:03.15`	`haste`	`I'm a wmii-whore anyway :p`
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`11:04.04`	`Adys`	`man`
`11:04.12`	`Adys`	`the computer feels 100 times faster with plasma killed`
`11:04.29`	`Adys`	`tries wow`
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`11:05.37`	`Adys`	`65 fps in dal`
`11:05.37`	`haste`	`I doubt it will run 100 times faster!`
`11:05.38`	`Adys`	`haha`
`11:05.39`	`Adys`	`bitch`
`11:05.54`	`Adys`	`well its kinda early still, not a lot of ppl`
`11:06.04`	`Adys`	`but noticeably faster`
`11:07.01`	`haste`	`wonder how much plasma abuses on my fathers computer`
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`11:07.34`	`haste`	`I'm ofc compiling without icecream atm, so going to take ages until I can check :P`
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`11:26.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`crap i filled up my /home`
`11:26.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`forgot about these bluray rips, need to move them to my storage array`
`11:38.58`	`mikma`	`http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/intercity_2_train_failure.jpg`
`11:39.13`	`Fisker`	`moar like train win`
`11:39.32`	`mikma`	`we had a little accident here ^-- brakes were frozen and they couldn't stop the carts so it crashed at the platform :D`
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`12:23.46`	`Shirik`	`Fisker`
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`12:43.21`	`Shirik`	`Fisker what do you think you're doing`
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`13:24.22`	`Fisker`	`Shirik`
`13:24.25`	`Fisker`	`it wasn't me`
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`13:51.23`	`Vilkku`	`~lastspoke Shadowed`
`13:51.30`	`Vilkku`	`~seen Shadowed`
`13:51.32`	`purl`	`shadowed <n=outlaw@c-98-207-200-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 7h 40m 22s ago, saying: 'SendAddonMessage = function() end'.`
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`14:17.43`	`Lunessa`	`You north-eastern bastards spilled some of your cold down here in the south. Come pick this up and take it home now, ok? Don't make me come up there.`
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`14:20.33`	`Fisker`	`Lunessa`
`14:20.36`	`Fisker`	`Shirik thinks he can stop me`
`14:20.42`	`Shirik`	`I can`
`14:22.10`	`Fisker`	`oh ok Shirik`
`14:22.19`	`Lunessa`	`Oh he can. He's got /kick.`
`14:22.55`	`Fisker`	`that's not gonna stop me`
`14:23.05`	`Lunessa`	`He's got /ban`
`14:23.09`	`Kalroth`	`Fisker will fisk in the status window if he has to`
`14:23.20`	`Fisker`	`he wouldn't Lunessa`
`14:25.01`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [-o Fisker] by Shirik`
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`14:30.22`	`Lunessa`	`Fisker: I figured out about a year ago never to assume what Shirik would or wouldn't do.`
`14:30.32`	`Shirik`	`no, you can assume`
`14:30.44`	`Shirik`	`just if you say it publically, then immediately assume the opposite`
`14:31.06`	`Fisker`	`hey Shirik`
`14:31.08`	`Fisker`	`umad`
`14:31.17`	`Shirik`	`nope`
`14:31.18`	`Shirik`	`umad?`
`14:31.28`	`Fisker`	`noumad`
`14:31.38`	`Shirik`	`nou`
`14:36.58`	`Kalroth`	`did Shirik just fisker Fisker?`
`14:39.26`	`digmouse`	`nomad`
`14:42.10`	`Lunessa`	`I heard you like Fisker, sow we got you a Fisker so you could Fisker while you Fisker? Say it ain't so!`
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`14:47.14`	`Fisker`	`ties down Lunessa`
`14:52.43`	`Fisker`	`so Shirik`
`14:59.59`	`Fisker`	`it's real Shirik`
`15:02.33`	`haste`	`pushes Fisker over the edge.`
`15:03.40`	`Fisker`	`dies`
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`15:05.22`	`haste`	`I didn't mean that edge!`
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`15:06.26`	`Fisker`	`naw`
`15:06.48`	`cog\|away`	`oh tuesday...`
`15:07.22`	`Lunessa`	`Tuesday, Tuesday.... Got maintenance that day....`
`15:07.37`	`Lunessa`	`Every other day... every other day of the week we can play, yeah...`
`15:07.59`	`cog\|away`	`(Q Q, Q QQ Q)`
`15:08.11`	`cog\|away`	`(instead of ba da, ba dada da)`
`15:08.50`	`Lunessa`	`chuckle`
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`15:09.52`	`Fisker`	`no cog\|away`
`15:10.20`	`cog\|away`	`Oh tuesday morning, you gave us all warning, but caught us off guard... 'cause we're all noobs - you bring the realms back, right away`
`15:10.41`	`cog\|away`	`tuesday tuesday`
`15:11.08`	`Fisker`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvTXe9GG7WY#t=0m53s`
`15:11.20`	`cog\|away`	`You wouldn't click on a link posted by Fisker`
`15:11.54`	`Fisker`	`you would`
`15:12.02`	`cog\|away`	`no!`
`15:12.06`	`Fisker`	`you would`
`15:12.08`	`cog\|away`	`I have to select and copy!`
`15:12.13`	`Fisker`	`no!`
`15:12.28`	`cog\|away`	`PuTTY sux like dat`
`15:12.57`	`foxlit`	`Fisker is reusing material :/`
`15:13.02`	`foxlit`	`What is this, December 9th?`
`15:13.11`	`Polarina`	`FISKER!`
`15:13.24`	`Polarina`	`That video of yours crashed my poor browser!`
`15:13.25`	`Fisker`	`just saying that cog\|away was wrong!`
`15:13.28`	`Lunessa`	`cog\|away: I think we'd have a hit on our hands...`
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`15:13.46`	`foxlit`	`Polarina: you mean put your browser out of its misery?`
`15:13.51`	`Polarina`	`foxlit: lol`
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`15:15.38`	`Ackis`	`crashes Fisker with a fist!`
`15:17.20`	`foxlit`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418861894&sid=1`
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`15:21.35`	`DWSR`	`~alert`
`15:21.36`	`purl`	`I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons...`
`15:21.48`	`DWSR`	`lol`
`15:23.01`	`Lunessa`	`~bite me`
`15:23.01`	`purl`	`ACTION takes a big bite out of lunessa's jugular vein`
`15:23.21`	`Fisker`	`hey Ackis`
`15:23.22`	`Fisker`	`you die today`
`15:23.33`	`Fisker`	`and by that i mean the exact opposite`
`15:25.36`	`DWSR`	`you live today?`
`15:25.44`	`DWSR`	`That's not very nice.`
`15:26.58`	`Fisker`	`maybe it was`
`15:27.23`	`Fisker`	`http://xkcd.com/ btw Ackis`
`15:40.26`	`alestane`	`"I can't believe it. People complained about the easiest, quickest dungeon in Northrend so much that now we get awesome rewards for doing it. "`
`15:40.50`	`haste`	`it's the easiest when you have people with IQ over 10`
`15:40.51`	`zenzelezz`	`I must say I'm a bit surprised they'd go quite so far`
`15:40.55`	`haste`	`it's far from the quickest tho'`
`15:41.05`	`haste`	`but having 1-2 retards make it a royal pain`
`15:41.29`	`Lunessa`	`Which dungeon are we griping about?`
`15:41.38`	`zenzelezz`	`Oculus`
`15:41.51`	`zenzelezz`	`now everyone will get +2 Triumphs, some gems, and a chance for a blue drake`
`15:41.53`	`Lunessa`	`Too many retards.`
`15:43.16`	`Polarina`	`A random chance of a drake?!?`
`15:43.17`	`Polarina`	`o.O`
`15:43.21`	`Polarina`	`goes grinding.`
`15:43.22`	`cbreak`	`I want a drake for doing stockades.`
`15:43.50`	`zenzelezz`	`Polarina: can't grind it, you only get those extras when Oculus is the random`
`15:44.44`	`Lunessa`	`Well, considering that I need three of the Occulus achievements for my red drake, I'm stoked.`
`15:45.14`	`foxlit`	`Hm, I should convince people to do ruby void.`
`15:45.19`	`foxlit`	`And I'm done with oc.`
`15:45.44`	`zenzelezz`	`I've yet to leave an Oculus group, but I would if people started trying to get me to do the achievements`
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`15:46.04`	`foxlit`	`zenzelezz: coward :)`
`15:46.14`	`zenzelezz`	`I run randoms for emblems`
`15:46.21`	`zenzelezz`	`if I want achievements I'd gather a proper group`
`15:48.06`	`foxlit`	`It's overkill, really.`
`15:48.27`	`zenzelezz`	`we're talking Oculus`
`15:48.39`	`alestane`	`Basically, they're trying to get people to stop going "Oculus! Desert now before we waste any more time!"`
`15:48.44`	`zenzelezz`	`I've yet to have a good Oculus group on random`
`15:48.54`	`foxlit`	`I have yet to see a bad group in Oculus.`
`15:49.11`	`alestane`	`The times I've done it (all since the LFD system came along) it's been pretty much a cakewalk, except a little for the final boss.`
`15:49.12`	`zenzelezz`	`trade me then`
`15:49.52`	`zenzelezz`	`I've had somewhere between 10 and 15 groups for Oculus... some decent, most poor, no good`
`15:49.57`	`foxlit`	`Did pretty much everything but Ruby Void in randoms.`
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`15:54.32`	`zenzelezz`	`I basically decided to skip intentionally doing any achievement in a random after one decided to do Respect Your Elders with absolutely no idea how to do it`
`15:55.25`	`foxlit`	`OK achievements are the pinnacle of horrible design`
`15:55.45`	`alestane`	`Despite which, plenty of people love them.`
`15:55.46`	`foxlit`	`[and the all-watchers-alive in AN is too]`
`15:56.20`	`alestane`	`Oh, you mean "Old Kingdom achievements" are the pinnacle of bad design.`
`15:56.29`	`foxlit`	`indeed.`
`15:56.41`	`foxlit`	`The "kick someone from your party prior to killing the second boss" achievement is meh.`
`15:56.44`	`alestane`	`I thought you were saying, "Ok, achievements are the pinnacle of horrible design."`
`15:56.54`	`zenzelezz`	`hehe`
`15:56.59`	`Lunessa`	`Occulus in Random has been fine for me. I've even learned newer/better/faster ways to do it as a result.`
`15:57.04`	`foxlit`	`"Kite the adds to Vael's room"`
`15:58.48`	`zenzelezz`	`ah, the memories of pet pulling`
`16:00.18`	`alestane`	`Tab-targeted once carelessly in the Ossuary in Scholomance...couldn't cast any spells on the constructs downstairs due to LoS, but my voidwalker ran down and engaged half the room.`
`16:01.14`	`Ackis`	`is grumpy once.`
`16:01.22`	`Ackis`	`s/once/today/`
`16:01.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/today/everyday/`
`16:01.56`	`Ackis`	`grrr`
`16:02.02`	`Ackis`	`there are days when I'm jovial`
`16:02.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`i think jovial is out of style`
`16:03.02`	`Ackis`	`DON'T MAKE ME GO JOVIAL ON YOUR ASS!`
`16:03.19`	`zenzelezz`	`how can this be; I'm a tank and I've been returned to the queue twice in 60 seconds now`
`16:03.32`	`alestane`	`The healer in queue is AFK?`
`16:03.32`	`zenzelezz`	`lo and behold... Oculus`
`16:03.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`i am quite sure i dont want you to go happy on my ass`
`16:03.37`	`zenzelezz`	`alestane: DPSers actually`
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`16:07.52`	`Ackis`	`http://negativegamer.com/2010/01/05/al-gores-current-com-caught-copying-without-permission-videogame-blogger-strikes-back/`
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`16:14.36`	`Fisker`	`you simply would not Ackis`
`16:15.18`	`Lunessa`	`Fisker: You keep saying that. I don't think it means what you think it means. I can assure you, most of use /would/.`
`16:16.15`	`alestane`	`us*`
`16:16.51`	`Fisker`	`heh Ackis`
`16:17.06`	`Fisker`	`i find it funny how the article that notified them of copyright infringement was 404 with the following message`
`16:17.08`	`ckknight`	`You know you all want to vote on http://www.wowace.com/polls/your-level-of-respect-for-wow-classes-by-archetype/`
`16:17.14`	`Fisker`	`"Unfortunately, this story doesn't have a happy ending."`
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`16:19.14`	`Fisker`	`i voted you bastard ckknight`
`16:20.12`	`Fisker`	`i hate hunters so much`
`16:23.00`	`Lunessa`	`Melee Huntards.`
`16:23.08`	`ckknight`	`correct, Lunessa`
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`16:25.39`	`Wobin`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx0GaB2EHUs`
`16:25.40`	`Wobin`	`zomg`
`16:25.41`	`Wobin`	`WASH`
`16:30.06`	`Wobin`	`also`
`16:30.08`	`Wobin`	`http://www.kongregate.com/games/ArmorGames/obey-the-game`
`16:30.11`	`Wobin`	`jesus that gets tough`
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`16:38.45`	`alestane`	`Morning, Peppy.`
`16:39.03`	`krka`	`omg that looks cool Wobin, just for the wash-factor if for nothing else`
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`16:42.58`	`Lopeppeppy`	`heya, alestane`
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`17:00.33`	`Lunessa`	`Ahem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci9CCvTHvpM`
`17:00.50`	`Fisker`	`i want google phone nao Lunessa`
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`17:03.49`	`Lunessa`	`Fisker: Don't you have to wait until it ships, like the rest of us?`
`17:07.08`	`Fisker`	`no`
`17:07.11`	`Fisker`	`i got a portal gun`
`17:08.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Then go get yours, and tell us how it is.`
`17:09.04`	`durcyn`	`fisker is google's only danish employee`
`17:09.32`	`Fisker`	`nice`
`17:09.35`	`Fisker`	`so i made V8?`
`17:09.46`	`Fisker`	`and by the look of it i also made Google Wave`
`17:09.47`	`Fisker`	`go me`
`17:10.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Kick ass`
`17:10.38`	`durcyn`	`only danish janitor*, my mistake.`
`17:11.19`	`Fisker`	`The janitor probably invented google`
`17:11.29`	`Fisker`	`http://live.gizmodo.com/`
`17:11.30`	`Fisker`	`bam`
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`17:38.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`bams Fisker`
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`17:45.26`	`foxlit`	`fs, windows. I'm asking it to move a directory, and it spent 60 seconds "discovering items"`
`17:45.40`	`Ginji`	`Omg!`
`17:46.28`	`Ginji`	`I just startled myself, I was picking my nose when someone in WoW walked towards me and for a moment I felt the urge to stop picking my nose!`
`17:56.59`	`Gnarfoz`	`Ginji: tmi`
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`18:17.58`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ever notice how you get nothing done when interrupting cow keeps going MOOOOO! in your ear?`
`18:20.46`	`Ancu`	`You have a cow?`
`18:21.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Everyone else is having one, why not me?`
`18:21.54`	`Fisker`	`so my damn Nexus One is a superphone!`
`18:21.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`wtf is interrupting cow`
`18:22.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Knock knock.`
`18:22.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Who's there?`
`18:22.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Interrupting cow?`
`18:22.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Interrupting co...`
`18:22.39`	`jnwhiteh`	`Nessus wan...`
`18:22.40`	`Lopeppeppy`	`MOOOO!`
`18:22.55`	`Fisker`	`ITS A DAMN SUPERPHONE JNWHITEH`
`18:23.07`	`Fisker`	`in b4 internet communications device`
`18:23.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`Lopeppeppy: shrug what ;D`
`18:23.43`	`Fisker`	`oh nice`
`18:23.46`	`Fisker`	`hardware specs now`
`18:23.49`	`Fisker`	`do post screenies`
`18:23.57`	`haste`	`the AV queue!`
`18:24.01`	`haste`	`It's taunting me`
`18:24.20`	`haste`	`started at >1 min, now it's at 13min`
`18:24.53`	`Fisker`	`aww haste`
`18:24.56`	`Fisker`	`move to ravencrest`
`18:25.32`	`haste`	`no, I still have nightmare about the queuer there`
`18:26.14`	`Fisker`	`Last sunday we approached 2k`
`18:26.29`	`Fisker`	`Apparently took 90 minutes from someone in my ex-guild to join their raid`
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`18:26.49`	`Fisker`	`he was 2 minutes late and got a minus 2 dkp`
`18:26.51`	`Fisker`	`aka i lol'd`
`18:27.03`	`Fisker`	`that's fucking hilarious`
`18:27.12`	`haste`	`you use DKP! I lol'd`
`18:27.19`	`Fisker`	`i don't use DKP`
`18:27.21`	`Fisker`	`i got kicked`
`18:28.09`	`haste`	`:D`
`18:28.15`	`Fisker`	`aww`
`18:28.22`	`Fisker`	`they removed the android holding the QR code flag`
`18:28.24`	`Fisker`	`that was cute`
`18:28.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`theres a surprise`
`18:28.38`	`Fisker`	`would actually be funny if you could get that engraved custom`
`18:30.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`you probably can`
`18:31.16`	`Fisker`	`you can't :(`
`18:31.45`	`Ancu`	`Hey lopeppepy`
`18:33.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Hi hi.`
`18:33.36`	`Ancu`	`MOOOO`
`18:33.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`exactly`
`18:35.30`	`Fisker`	`Lopeppeppy`
`18:35.33`	`Ancu`	`lol`
`18:38.41`	`Fisker`	`http://www.google.com/phone/`
`18:38.43`	`Fisker`	`wrumm wrumm`
`18:39.20`	`Hjalte`	`Fisker: It says not available in Fiskerland.`
`18:39.29`	`Fisker`	`FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-`
`18:39.32`	`Fisker`	`yeah Hjalte`
`18:39.33`	`Fisker`	`i just noticed`
`18:39.35`	`Fisker`	`jnwhiteh`
`18:39.36`	`Fisker`	`i hate you`
`18:39.51`	`Kalroth`	`owned!`
`18:39.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`~weather klax`
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`18:42.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`sigh i think i am going to take kd3's hatenet title`
`18:44.11`	`Lunessa`	`... so full ... need ... sleep ... now`
`18:44.23`	`Lopeppeppy`	`So sleepy, need full now!`
`18:44.51`	`zenzelezz`	`fills Lopeppeppy`
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`18:46.15`	`Fisker`	`wtf`
`18:46.21`	`Fisker`	`some polish guy says he can get the nexus one`
`18:46.23`	`Fisker`	`raaaaaaaageeeeeeeee`
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`18:48.33`	`Ancu`	`Did I ever tell you guys that I hate dialup?`
`18:48.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a1332/a1332_bm.gif`
`18:48.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`mmmm`
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`18:49.48`	`Ancu`	`all things will be better on Thursday! I will get wow back and do a realm transfer`
`18:54.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://kotaku.com/5440587/unofficial-8+bit-left-4-dead-now-available`
`18:55.51`	`Fisker`	`Theyâre launching the web store in the US, and will be shipping to test markets: UK, Singapore and Hong Kong. The plan in the future is to add more operators in the US and internationally as well as more devices.`
`18:55.52`	`Fisker`	`rage`
`18:55.55`	`Fisker`	`raaaaaaaaaaaaaggggeeeeeeeeeeee`
`18:56.11`	`Fisker`	`I'll let them test Denmark for free!`
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`18:59.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`tets Fisker and finds him wanting`
`18:59.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`tests*`
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`19:02.04`	`Fisker`	`i don't care if i have to fucking kill google`
`19:02.42`	`Ancu`	`Id like to see you try that`
`19:03.39`	`Fisker`	`well i got allies`
`19:03.49`	`Fisker`	`like Steve Ballmer... and... others`
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`19:04.35`	`Pneumatus`	`http://xkcd.com/323/`
`19:07.09`	`foxlit`	`lua> s,i,n="",2,136; repeat s, i, n = (n % i == 0 and "1" or "1") .. s, i * 2, n - n % i; until i > 256 print(s);`
`19:07.09`	`lua_bot`	`foxlit: 11111111`
`19:07.31`	`foxlit`	`lua> s,i,n="",2,136; repeat s, i, n = (n % i == 0 and "0" or "1") .. s, i * 2, n - n % i; until i > 256 print(s);`
`19:07.31`	`lua_bot`	`foxlit: 10001000`
`19:08.16`	`Cairenn`	`"Sorry, the Nexus One phone is not available in your country."`
`19:08.38`	`Fisker`	`yeah Cairenn join the club`
`19:08.44`	`Fisker`	`my head is steaming`
`19:08.53`	`Fisker`	`especially since they enabled international orders from the UK`
`19:08.57`	`Fisker`	`that pisses me off immensely`
`19:09.14`	`Cairenn`	`still don't have Google Voice yet either`
`19:09.40`	`durcyn`	`Cairenn: you need an invite?`
`19:09.47`	`Cairenn`	`I have an invite`
`19:09.57`	`Cairenn`	`I'm in Canada, it isn't available up here yet`
`19:11.02`	`Cairenn`	`it's been "going to be available in Canada shortly" since last Jan/Feb`
`19:11.06`	`Fisker`	`Looks like jnwhiteh will become my pusher`
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`19:11.14`	`Fisker`	`which is also nice since it'll be cheaper for him to get it`
`19:11.20`	`Fisker`	`and no import duties between EU countries`
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`19:18.13`	`Duman`	`hmm`
`19:21.43`	`Fisker`	`i need to rage so much at you jnwhiteh`
`19:21.45`	`Fisker`	`when you get home`
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`19:25.14`	`Lunessa`	`Fisker: It's a fucking phone. No need for rage.`
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`19:26.49`	`Fisker`	`there's always a reason to rage`
`19:27.19`	`Fisker`	`Especially with jackass moves like that ;_;`
`19:27.51`	`Lunessa`	`Yes. But I prefer to rage about things that matter to me. Your lack of a Google Nexus One does not fall into that category.`
`19:28.12`	`Fisker`	`Well noone cares about me so that argument is pretty invalid`
`19:28.50`	`Dagmar`	`What's irritating is that Sprint is sticking with their "screw you guys" network that doesn't do SIM card phones`
`19:37.09`	`TheDude2`	`wtf is up with canadas telephone network? i think it still costs me more (on AT&T wireless) to call US->Canada than it does to call US->China, mexico, russia, germany, austrailia etc`
`19:39.24`	`Ginji`	`hmmmm`
`19:39.40`	`Ginji`	`How can I have a macro that uses /afk`
`19:39.46`	`Ginji`	`with a conditional`
`19:40.21`	`foxlit`	`How can I have a green sky?`
`19:40.49`	`foxlit`	`On second thought, would a green sky actually be an advantage?`
`19:41.22`	`zenzelezz`	`http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/05/funny-pictures-nom-force-field/`
`19:41.46`	`Ginji`	`Who says anything about an advantage, I'm lazy`
`19:41.58`	`Ginji`	`Hence the question`
`19:42.34`	`foxlit`	`The second line did not continue with the metaphor, and should be interpreted as a literal question.`
`19:42.37`	`Dagmar`	`Far as I know you can't`
`19:42.45`	`foxlit`	`/afk does not take conditionals.`
`19:43.13`	`foxlit`	`You can dance around with /stopmacro, or you could write a /script. But neither is particularly pretty.`
`19:43.20`	`zenzelezz`	`foxlit: the sky isn't blue because of any advantage either, it's merely a result of natural reactions`
`19:43.41`	`mikma`	`zenzelezz: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/05/funny-pictures-nom-force`
`19:43.45`	`mikma`	`whops :(`
`19:43.51`	`mikma`	`http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/funny-pictures-cat-is-on-your-head.jpg`
`19:43.55`	`mikma`	`there we go ^^`
`19:44.03`	`foxlit`	`zenzelezz: I'd accuse you of denying the theory of evolution [of the skies], but I'm late for dinner.`
`19:44.04`	`zenzelezz`	`lol`
`19:44.49`	`Ginji`	`But ofcourse! I can just do it the other way around`
`19:44.50`	`mikma`	`http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/funny-pictures-kittens-are-chiropractors.jpg <- that's funny :D`
`19:44.59`	`mikma`	`Catropractor :D`
`19:45.52`	`mikma`	`also, http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/funny-pictures-many-cats-are-on-bed.jpg reality of cat owner`
`19:52.26`	`Ginji`	`Silly wow, why didn't they just add a /clearafk command`
`19:52.52`	`mikma`	`why didn't they add some sort of way of knowing when you go out of afk, too`
`19:54.14`	`PProvost`	`I wish the My Addons list on wowi would show which have the Patch 3.3 flag checked.`
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`20:18.55`	`kd3`	`grr`
`20:19.01`	`kd3`	`way to pop circuit breakers, kd3`
`20:22.02`	`Fisker`	`naw kd3`
`20:22.05`	`Fisker`	`you don't get to rage`
`20:22.10`	`Fisker`	`it's me tonight`
`20:22.29`	`kd3`	`why, your $50 dvi->vga adapter shows up tonight?`
`20:23.10`	`durcyn`	`who still even uses vga connectors anyway`
`20:23.22`	`durcyn`	`don't you guys have the 21st century in denmark`
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`20:25.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`durcyn: i do, i have an xbox360 vga cable`
`20:25.29`	`Fisker`	`it's even worse kd3`
`20:25.40`	`Fisker`	`so there i was waiting for the Nexus One to be released`
`20:26.01`	`Fisker`	`And then Google says they'll only initially launch to US, UK, Singapore and Hong Kong`
`20:26.04`	`Fisker`	`So i can't buy it`
`20:26.06`	`Fisker`	`damn bastards`
`20:29.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`wait i thought this was invite only, its letting me get pretty damn far in the checkout process`
`20:30.45`	`Fisker`	`it isn't`
`20:30.49`	`jnwhiteh`	`its not invite`
`20:30.54`	`Fisker`	`but they only send to UK, US, Singapore and Hong Kong`
`20:30.57`	`Fisker`	`and jnwhiteh is getting me`
`20:30.58`	`Fisker`	`one`
`20:31.01`	`Fisker`	`or i hate him`
`20:31.03`	`Fisker`	`infinitely`
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`20:31.18`	`Fisker`	`just like their autofocus`
`20:32.38`	`jnwhiteh`	`I guess I'll just keep doing my hero dev now =/`
`20:32.49`	`jnwhiteh`	`I _could_ afford a nexus one`
`20:32.55`	`jnwhiteh`	`but i'm not paying VAT for it`
`20:32.57`	`jnwhiteh`	`and I leave tonight`
`20:32.58`	`jnwhiteh`	`so =)`
`20:33.17`	`Fisker`	`great`
`20:33.18`	`Fisker`	`but get me one`
`20:33.23`	`jnwhiteh`	`npno`
`20:33.26`	`jnwhiteh`	`i'll just right one that`
`20:33.26`	`jnwhiteh`	`O.o`
`20:33.37`	`Fisker`	`O_o?`
`20:34.27`	`Fisker`	`i wonder if one does simply uk proxy into mordor`
`20:34.47`	`Fisker`	`you're still getting me one though`
`20:35.24`	`jnwhiteh`	`i mesnt`
`20:35.29`	`jnwhiteh`	`i meant, i'll get right on that`
`20:35.32`	`jnwhiteh`	`sarcasmically`
`20:35.56`	`Fisker`	`did you take any drugs or something?`
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`20:36.02`	`jnwhiteh`	`yes`
`20:36.06`	`jnwhiteh`	`many`
`20:36.08`	`Fisker`	`sweet`
`20:36.10`	`Fisker`	`but still`
`20:36.16`	`mikma`	`are you talking to fisker again`
`20:36.30`	`Fisker`	`man mikma must have many people on his ignorelist`
`20:36.36`	`Fisker`	`since he has to keep track of it all the time`
`20:38.43`	`Fisker`	`why won't you halp me jnwhiteh`
`20:38.46`	`Fisker`	`are you jerk? ;(`
`20:42.36`	`jnwhiteh`	`yes`
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`20:42.41`	`jnwhiteh`	`duuh.`
`20:42.42`	`Fisker`	`steals jnwhiteh's identity`
`20:43.35`	`Fisker`	`my rage face though jnwhiteh`
`20:43.45`	`Fisker`	`you're the only guy living in the uk i can trust`
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`20:50.23`	`Fisker`	`there's not even VAT jnwhiteh`
`20:50.24`	`Fisker`	`http://i45.tinypic.com/fx75v.jpg`
`20:50.34`	`Fisker`	`my rage level is over 1006`
`20:50.39`	`Fisker`	`err it is 1006`
`20:50.48`	`Fisker`	`oh wait i had it upside down, it's over 9000`
`20:52.19`	`Fisker`	`jnwhiteh please`
`20:52.19`	`Fisker`	`http://funkjelly.com/files/2009/08/total-eclipse-of-the-heart-flow-chart-4232-1250607798-5.jpg`
`20:52.22`	`Fisker`	`etc.`
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`20:53.02`	`cog\|away`	`Lunessa: turned out all i needed was revered and it only took one round of dailies to get it =)`
`20:53.22`	`Lunessa`	`cog\|away: Sweet. DPS set looking sharp then?`
`20:53.38`	`cog\|away`	`a little sharper anyway... still need a bunch of enchants`
`20:54.04`	`Fisker`	`slaps cog\|away around a bit with a large trout`
`20:55.27`	`cog\|away`	`o i no longer mine too`
`20:55.34`	`cog\|away`	`took up enchanting`
`20:55.41`	`Lunessa`	`cog\|away: 0.0`
`20:56.27`	`jnwhiteh`	`Fisker: you pay VAT at customs`
`20:56.31`	`jnwhiteh`	`its charged when it gets to the UK`
`20:56.34`	`jnwhiteh`	`so.. faily =)`
`20:56.39`	`Fisker`	`shouldn't be`
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`20:56.43`	`Fisker`	`VAT isn't a customs issue`
`20:56.52`	`jnwhiteh`	`.. actually it is?`
`20:57.01`	`jnwhiteh`	`you get charged VAT on the product and the shipping costs`
`20:57.06`	`jnwhiteh`	`befor eyou get your product.`
`20:57.17`	`foxlit`	`[Which seems crazy]`
`20:57.33`	`cog\|away`	`Lunessa: my h8 of farming is about as strong as miki's <3 for it...`
`20:57.45`	`jnwhiteh`	`shrug that's how it is sadly`
`20:57.52`	`Lunessa`	`Then you compliment each other.`
`20:58.02`	`Fisker`	`i disagree jnwhiteh`
`20:58.23`	`foxlit`	`Fisker: unless SKAT/PD are slacking, that's also how it works here.`
`20:58.52`	`cog\|away`	`"Complement, not compliment. ComPLEment. PLE." -- Bones`
`20:59.00`	`Lunessa`	`Fisker: Since he's essentially told you to "go f yourself" quit badgering him.`
`20:59.12`	`Fisker`	`go fisker myself?`
`20:59.15`	`Fisker`	`i already did :(`
`20:59.23`	`Lunessa`	`cog\|away: Yes, you're right. I used the incorrect homophone.`
`21:00.13`	`cog\|away`	`Lunessa: had to be there imo... was a very funny moment in Bones`
`21:00.15`	`foxlit`	`Hm.`
`21:00.34`	`foxlit`	`I wonder how those flash model viewers work`
`21:00.40`	`Lunessa`	`I've seen the episode. Emily Deschanel -- lust`
`21:00.42`	`Fisker`	`puts out some jnwhiteh snacks`
`21:00.56`	`jnwhiteh`	`Fisker: you can disagree all you want, you're still wrong`
`21:01.08`	`cog\|away`	`i'm more of a Zooey guy myself...`
`21:01.17`	`foxlit`	`I'm somewhat convinced the warlock tier 7 gloves should be graphically bugged, but they don't appear to be.`
`21:02.09`	`Lunessa`	`cog\|away: It boils down to this... chicks on TV shows are generally delectable and I wouldn't turn most of them away, even if they did eat crackers in bed.`
`21:07.32`	`Fisker`	`wtf`
`21:07.43`	`Fisker`	`how did this chat migrate to #wowace without me noticing?`
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`21:09.21`	`alestane`	`Lunessa: My eye keeps trying to parse "Emily Deschanel -- lust" into an operator-based expression.`
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`21:10.24`	`foxlit`	`lua> ("%08x"):format(20+324+2564)`
`21:10.25`	`lua_bot`	`foxlit: 00000494`
`21:11.18`	`Lunessa`	`alestane: LOL. if UnitName("target") = "Emily Deschanel" then lust = 1`
`21:11.21`	`Lunessa`	`end`
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`21:12.04`	`alestane`	`I would write it more like`
`21:12.05`	`alestane`	`if UnitName("target") = "Emily Deschanel" then return "lust" end`
`21:12.05`	`alestane`	`but that's me.`
`21:12.21`	`alestane`	`Although if it's Lua, then we ned another = in there.`
`21:12.50`	`Fisker`	`fuck it`
`21:12.55`	`Fisker`	`i might as well just ebay it`
`21:12.56`	`Fisker`	`;_;`
`21:16.38`	`Lunessa`	`alestane: Yeah, if UnitName("target") == "Emily Deschanel" then return "lust" end - compare, not assign. A common error in my code.`
`21:17.05`	`Fisker`	`ah nevermind`
`21:17.10`	`Fisker`	`found a google punching bag on ebay`
`21:18.01`	`jnwhiteh`	`return (UnitName("target") == "Emily Deschanel") and "lust" or nil`
`21:18.29`	`Fisker`	`puts down some more jnwhiteh-snacks`
`21:19.08`	`jnwhiteh`	`what are you trying to get me to do?`
`21:19.25`	`Fisker`	`throws the box of jnwhiteh-snacks into the air and runs`
`21:19.57`	`jnwhiteh`	`If you deposit $630 into my paypal account, I'll gladly buy you a Nexus One and then ship it to you`
`21:20.07`	`Fisker`	`only 630? :P`
`21:20.16`	`jnwhiteh`	`that's how much it woudl cost`
`21:20.27`	`jnwhiteh`	`I don't charge commission`
`21:20.57`	`Fisker`	`as far as i understood it would be around Â£430`
`21:21.15`	`jnwhiteh`	`I said $`
`21:21.18`	`jnwhiteh`	`not Â£`
`21:21.30`	`Fisker`	`try converting those 2 values`
`21:21.30`	`Fisker`	`;3`
`21:21.53`	`Fisker`	`Â£430 = $690`
`21:21.57`	`jnwhiteh`	`they're not the same`
`21:22.06`	`jnwhiteh`	`off by about Â£37 =)`
`21:22.50`	`Fisker`	`hat do you mean about charging commission then?`
`21:23.03`	`jnwhiteh`	`i dont charge any`
`21:23.09`	`jnwhiteh`	`i was charging you the actual cost of the phone + vat`
`21:23.24`	`Fisker`	`But that doesn't get all your expenses covered?`
`21:23.40`	`jnwhiteh`	`why not?`
`21:23.45`	`jnwhiteh`	`i dont understand why you want to pay me more`
`21:23.50`	`jnwhiteh`	`what am I leaving out?`
`21:23.56`	`Fisker`	`but what about shipping costs and possible import duties?`
`21:24.13`	`jnwhiteh`	`the shipping costs I'd know up front`
`21:24.19`	`jnwhiteh`	`import duties shoudl be covered by VAT, with some charges`
`21:24.25`	`jnwhiteh`	`that could be reconciled afterwards at some point`
`21:24.26`	`jnwhiteh`	`i suppose`
`21:24.45`	`Fisker`	`Well when are you in the UK again?`
`21:25.18`	`jnwhiteh`	`tomorrow`
`21:26.30`	`Fisker`	`well i can just paypal you the money`
`21:26.56`	`Fisker`	`but i figured it would be around Â£430 just for you to get it to the UK then ?? from uk to dk`
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`21:29.51`	`jnwhiteh`	`possibly, yeah`
`21:29.54`	`jnwhiteh`	`i can tell you better in a few days`
`21:29.58`	`jnwhiteh`	`when @PaulOBrien gets his`
`21:34.06`	`Xinhuan`	`doesn't paypal eat 5%`
`21:34.14`	`Xinhuan`	`of the amount transferred?`
`21:34.20`	`jnwhiteh`	`he could wire the money to me`
`21:34.23`	`jnwhiteh`	`which would probably be better`
`21:34.25`	`jnwhiteh`	`adn that's free`
`21:34.54`	`PProvost`	`If you tell Paypal it is a personal transaction, they don't take anything`
`21:35.05`	`PProvost`	`If you tell them it is for a purchase, they charge the receiever of the money`
`21:35.08`	`PProvost`	`IIRC`
`21:35.17`	`Fisker`	`Xinhuan it's about Â£15`
`21:35.36`	`Xinhuan`	`i can order a nexus one, but i don't have $529 USD ;p`
`21:35.44`	`Fisker`	`Depends on your country as well PProvost i think`
`21:36.01`	`Xinhuan`	`and i doubt the 529 includes shipping`
`21:36.09`	`Fisker`	`What's your paypal address jnwhiteh ?`
`21:36.59`	`Fisker`	`lol`
`21:37.29`	`Fisker`	`you have to accept money given to you in paypal`
`21:37.47`	`jnwhiteh`	`Fisker: no`
`21:37.51`	`jnwhiteh`	`you'll wire it to me`
`21:38.30`	`Fisker`	`Because you want it or?`
`21:38.43`	`Fisker`	`Because i don't care about the 15â¬ or whatever it is i pay extra`
`21:38.58`	`jnwhiteh`	`i'd rather not use paypal`
`21:39.05`	`Fisker`	`sure`
`21:39.06`	`jnwhiteh`	`and I'd rather wait until I'm home and we can actually work out the details`
`21:39.08`	`jnwhiteh`	`=)`
`21:39.15`	`Xinhuan`	`i'll be willing to bet there's ppl who will resell it over ebay as well`
`21:39.27`	`jnwhiteh`	`yep`
`21:39.28`	`Fisker`	`it'll probably be cheaper dealing with jnwhiteh`
`21:39.29`	`jnwhiteh`	`just risky, as always`
`21:39.35`	`Xinhuan`	`exactly`
`21:39.40`	`Fisker`	`The cheapest i saw right now was $699 buyout`
`21:39.47`	`Fisker`	`Add $65 shipping`
`21:39.57`	`Fisker`	`+ 25% vat and possibly 3,7% import duties`
`21:39.59`	`jnwhiteh`	`people pay for convenience`
`21:40.00`	`Fisker`	`that's a lot`
`21:40.09`	`Xinhuan`	`just like a xkcd comic says, you can still have a 97% approval positive rating if you cheated 1 in 30 buyers :P`
`21:40.15`	`Fisker`	`almost $999`
`21:42.31`	`Xinhuan`	`http://xkcd.com/325/`
`21:42.32`	`Xinhuan`	`this one :P`
`21:48.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`Antiarc: was good getting to meet you the other day, by the way =)`
`21:48.35`	`jnwhiteh`	`I've not been online much since then :P`
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`21:49.39`	`foxlit`	`Hm, wtb cleanse buttons that only appear when there's something to cleanse.`
`21:51.57`	`alestane`	`foxlit: Not for over three years now.`
`21:52.04`	`alestane`	`It was called "Decursive."`
`21:52.23`	`foxlit`	`alestane, well, no.`
`21:52.29`	`Antiarc`	`jnwhiteh: Same to you :D`
`21:52.34`	`foxlit`	`It might lead to decursive, but it's not the same thing`
`21:53.31`	`Fisker`	`grid!`
`21:53.51`	`olafski`	`hm. does defense do anything for druids? (at lvl <80)`
`21:54.02`	`foxlit`	`Adds pathetic amounts of dodge.`
`21:54.29`	`olafski`	`oh, seems it does.. when I checked at level 20 it seemed to do nothing`
`21:54.58`	`olafski`	`I'm debating 7str/7sta/7def vs 9str/9sta`
`21:55.15`	`NeoTron`	`so I healed gundrak on my 76 shaman yesterday. group had a 73 dk for a tank and an 80 druid (boomkin)`
`21:55.38`	`NeoTron`	`the druid tanked the first boss because the dk didn't hold aggro and tanked the second boss because the dk was off in an earlier room doing god knows what`
`21:56.16`	`NeoTron`	`apparently though the dk was a friend of the druid. after the 2nd boss the druid switched to bear and just chain pulled the rest up until the last boss (40k health bear is pretty easy to heal in gundrak)`
`21:56.23`	`NeoTron`	`sort of a bizarre run`
`21:56.42`	`NeoTron`	`the DK had 14k health though. lowest health tank I've seen from someone attempting to tank gundrak`
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`21:58.20`	`foxlit`	`73 is too low for gundrak, really.`
`21:58.26`	`NeoTron`	`as a tank definitely`
`21:58.34`	`NeoTron`	`can't hold threat against people of a more suitable level`
`21:58.51`	`NeoTron`	`I healed old kingdom at 73. it was a bit rough`
`21:59.04`	`foxlit`	`crushing blows from trash, too.`
`21:59.08`	`foxlit`	`Fun stuff.`
`22:01.18`	`NeoTron`	`haven't healed since BC and then I only did some casual healing on my paladin in karazhan`
`22:01.22`	`NeoTron`	`so it's sort of fun to heal actually`
`22:01.36`	`NeoTron`	`although I have absolutely zero aspirations to healing raids`
`22:05.21`	`Shirik`	`man wtf is wrong with my script`
`22:05.32`	`Shirik`	`it's all like "HTTP/1.0 200 OK" and then it's all like "nah sike"`
`22:07.10`	`jnwhiteh`	`http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/lifehacker/full/~3/8RMQnVr7DOo/how-a-530-nexus-one-might-actually-make-sense`
`22:09.03`	`Fisker`	`yeah it's fucked up`
`22:09.26`	`Fisker`	`i think they tried to pull something equally stupid in DK with iphone`
`22:09.40`	`Fisker`	`like the initial plan only had like a 10MB free data`
`22:09.42`	`Fisker`	`for a iphone?`
`22:09.42`	`Fisker`	`lol`
`22:09.53`	`Fisker`	`and it was expensive as hell`
`22:10.31`	`cbreak`	`Orange CH plan has 1000mb free`
`22:10.39`	`cbreak`	`not a lot`
`22:10.45`	`cbreak`	`(and it's expensive!)`
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`22:11.08`	`cbreak`	`phone + 24 months of fees cost over 550â¬`
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`22:11.30`	`Qumas`	`Is this were one would come to see if something is possible with auctioneer?`
`22:13.35`	`mitch0`	`fisker: get a nokia n900 instead`
`22:14.04`	`Fisker`	`no!`
`22:14.14`	`Fisker`	`i would never buy nokia`
`22:14.22`	`Fisker`	`i'd almost sooner get an iphone`
`22:15.07`	`Qumas`	`I guess not :( Have a good day sorry to bother you all.`
`22:16.06`	`alestane`	`I feel a little bad for that guy, although he only waited four minutes.`
`22:16.47`	`foxlit`	`"The Finnish record label Lion Music has announced that it will not sign any new musicians until politicians have managed to stop piracy."`
`22:17.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`foxlit: haha, bye bye Lion Music, then`
`22:17.22`	`cbreak`	`they'll just use unsigned musicians`
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`22:17.33`	`Fisker`	`well if they kill all people there's no piracy`
`22:17.33`	`foxlit`	`Maybe they're sitting on a back catalog.`
`22:17.36`	`cbreak`	`like the ones in Canada`
`22:17.36`	`Gnarfoz`	`they'll just go out of business`
`22:17.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`hopefully`
`22:17.38`	`foxlit`	`Still, that's a shitty response.`
`22:17.43`	`cbreak`	`They just copy the music, sell it`
`22:17.48`	`cbreak`	`and don't pay the artists a cent`
`22:20.16`	`Fisker`	`record labels need to die a fiery death`
`22:21.41`	`Fisker`	`man this computer technician is hilarious`
`22:21.49`	`Fisker`	`First the armory app hacked his account`
`22:22.10`	`Fisker`	`Now he says account security is blizzard's problem and that they should make the authenticator available on the PC instead`
`22:22.12`	`Fisker`	`i lol'd`
`22:22.34`	`Fisker`	`way to defeat the purpose of multi-factor authentication`
`22:24.22`	`WobWork`	`..the armory app hacked his account... whut?`
`22:24.39`	`cbreak`	`is he dumb?`
`22:24.47`	`cbreak`	`probably`
`22:24.53`	`WobWork`	`I can't even get my armory app to save my password`
`22:25.08`	`WobWork`	`and it's a bloody pain typing that in on an iphone`
`22:25.13`	`cbreak`	`asuming armory app is some special web browser to browse just the armory?`
`22:25.39`	`WobWork`	`it's a bit more slick than that`
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`22:25.51`	`WobWork`	`but it's basically a reskinned version of the armory, yeah`
`22:25.58`	`Fisker`	`giev new armory though`
`22:26.06`	`WobWork`	`Fisker: what sort of new armory?`
`22:26.18`	`foxlit`	`the armory is a lie.`
`22:26.34`	`Gnarfoz`	`WobWork: the updates they accidentally pushed to live 3 weeks ago`
`22:26.43`	`Fisker`	`^^`
`22:26.52`	`Fisker`	`basically a redesign`
`22:27.06`	`WobWork`	`...how does one -accidentally- push to live?`
`22:27.16`	`WobWork`	`especially in a company the size of Blizzard =P`
`22:27.21`	`Fisker`	`http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/december/armory.jpg`
`22:27.25`	`Fisker`	`government conspiracy WobWork`
`22:28.01`	`WobWork`	`So basically they changed the font to Ariel =P`
`22:28.30`	`Fisker`	`i'm hoping there will be an actual profession display now`
`22:29.03`	`Fisker`	`if only that guy had flash`
`22:29.04`	`Fisker`	`jerk!`
`22:30.06`	`WobWork`	`I would like a list where it shows what recipes the person has`
`22:30.19`	`WobWork`	`it'd make parsing for guild tradeskills good`
`22:30.37`	`WobWork`	`or even realm tradespeople`
`22:30.58`	`Hjalte`	`Fisker: With Cyanogen getting a Nexus One, I hope I can afford one within too long.`
`22:31.45`	`Fisker`	`i'm also waiting for 32GB Micro SDHC`
`22:31.51`	`Fisker`	`sandisk those lazy bastards`
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`22:32.00`	`Fisker`	`it as supposed to be out like over half a year ago`
`22:32.03`	`Fisker`	`was*`
`22:32.15`	`cbreak`	`did the US get new ICC bosses today?`
`22:32.19`	`Fisker`	`yes`
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`22:33.08`	`cbreak`	`ok. I extrapolate: EU gets them tomorrow`
`22:33.09`	`Fisker`	`ah god damnit`
`22:33.13`	`Fisker`	`i don't want to do HoR`
`22:33.18`	`Fisker`	`sigh`
`22:33.56`	`cbreak`	`If you do it with three wipes, you wiped once less than I just did there`
`22:34.18`	`Fisker`	`oh great i run to the place where you tank it and it's littered with skellies`
`22:34.19`	`NeoTron`	`I did a PoS pug that took longer to compete than an alt ICC-10 run`
`22:34.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`PoS is right`
`22:35.46`	`Polarina`	`loves sqlite.`
`22:36.31`	`cbreak`	`Apple uses it for CoreData and the iPhone stuff`
`22:36.36`	`cbreak`	`I don't really see what it's good for`
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`22:36.55`	`Fisker`	`atleast we have a pala tank`
`22:36.56`	`cbreak`	`maybe if people are too lazy to write their own data format?`
`22:38.17`	`NeoTron`	`using a pre-existing framework is not being lazy`
`22:38.26`	`NeoTron`	`it is, more often than not, the smart thing to do`
`22:38.45`	`NeoTron`	`this is not the days of hand coding assembly to make a c program run faster on a 286.`
`22:39.09`	`cbreak`	`the SQLite format is bad for most things`
`22:39.16`	`cbreak`	`because it can do many things`
`22:39.17`	`NeoTron`	`it's sql`
`22:39.24`	`cbreak`	`it's not specific to the problem`
`22:39.32`	`NeoTron`	`which if not perfect, oftne works perfectly fine`
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`22:44.24`	`Dewin`	`cbreak: It could be worse. It could be XML.`
`22:44.32`	`foxlit`	`Meh, SQLite is useful.`
`22:44.34`	`cbreak`	`XML is not bad`
`22:44.42`	`cbreak`	`as long as it's not used for anything human readable`
`22:44.49`	`cbreak`	`or anything that has to be parsed again`
`22:44.56`	`Dewin`	`I've coded an application that uses SQLite and for what I wrote it was perfect.`
`22:45.12`	`cbreak`	`let me guess... some kind of database? :D`
`22:45.14`	`foxlit`	`cbreak: I've got the perfect format for storing things that should not be human readable or parsed again.`
`22:45.22`	`cbreak`	`foxlit: me too :D`
`22:45.25`	`Dewin`	`cbreak: Well, it did have a small underlying database of sorts. yes.`
`22:45.48`	`Dewin`	`I wrote an addon for FFXI that would download monster data from one of the sites, convert it to an sqlite database and then display information on the targetted monster in game`
`22:45.49`	`Ginji`	`SQLite is awesome`
`22:45.54`	`Dewin`	`showing weaknesses/resistances/how it detects things/etc`
`22:46.15`	`Fisker`	`omg`
`22:46.21`	`Fisker`	`did the 2 first bosses without wipes`
`22:46.26`	`Ginji`	`Well, it's better then XML, just throw the XML data into a memory sqlite db and voila!`
`22:46.37`	`Ginji`	`Fisker: Molten Core?`
`22:47.05`	`Fisker`	`halls of reflection`
`22:47.15`	`Dewin`	`Ginji: I was actually pulling individual webpages and parsing the XML DOM, so that's pretty much exactly what I did.`
`22:48.00`	`Ginji`	`What about malformed html?`
`22:48.11`	`Ginji`	`Which is approx. 80% of what's out there`
`22:48.57`	`Dewin`	`it was a database site so most of the content was formed well enough or I could send it through html-tidy first :)`
`22:49.12`	`Fisker`	`omg the lich king is a stupid fuck`
`22:49.18`	`Fisker`	`why cast the slow on himself?`
`22:49.41`	`cbreak`	`Jaina's Mind Control`
`22:50.20`	`Fisker`	`jaina's not here`
`22:50.32`	`Fisker`	`it's also sweet how a dark ranger learns teleportation etc.`
`22:51.02`	`Dewin`	`Fisker: He wasn't content with being called Arthas the Slow in COT:S`
`22:51.26`	`Ginji`	`That title belongs to James May!`
`22:51.30`	`Dewin`	`Of course, we now also have Deathbringer Saurfang the Long-Winded.`
`22:53.28`	`Fisker`	`zomg`
`22:53.33`	`Fisker`	`also did lich king without wipes`
`22:53.44`	`Fisker`	`probably the first time i've pugged this instance without wipes`
`22:54.13`	`Fisker`	`i suck at disengaging`
`22:54.30`	`Dewin`	`Disengaged off the cliff?`
`22:55.08`	`Fisker`	`tried to disengage to the ship`
`22:55.21`	`Fisker`	`but it disengaged sideways`
`22:57.18`	`Dewin`	`I like how there's an invisible plane of death in that zone.`
`22:57.42`	`foxlit`	`Isn't there everywhere?`
`22:57.57`	`foxlit`	`You /will/ eventually die from falling.`
`22:57.58`	`Dewin`	`Well, yes, but in that zone it's not obvious`
`22:58.23`	`Dewin`	`As a cat, you can survive the (short) jump onto the terrain before the airship.`
`22:58.33`	`Dewin`	`And walk about 20 feet downhill before you're instakilled.`
`23:00.45`	`foxlit`	`How difficult is it to get windows to parse a wildcard filename expression in a C application?`
`23:01.06`	`foxlit`	`Shell does not expand *.foo there, so it's a bit meh.`
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`23:01.26`	`Dewin`	`Are you looking at argv or something else?`
`23:01.51`	`foxlit`	`argv.`
`23:02.03`	`Dewin`	`http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1269480/globbing-in-c-c-on-windows is a quick answer from Google`
`23:02.35`	`foxlit`	`Hm, awesome.`
`23:04.23`	`Dewin`	`and I agree, Windows's shell sucks.`
`23:06.01`	`cbreak`	`there's the new one`
`23:06.07`	`cbreak`	`it sucks Object Oriented!`
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`23:12.51`	`Dewin`	`cbreak: You mean shell.sucks(true); ?`
`23:13.21`	`Dewin`	`Overheard in our server's trade: "In a recent survey, it was proven that 6 out of 7 dwarves are not Happy."`
`23:13.31`	`cbreak`	`I think in PowerShell it's $shell = cmd-get-shell`
`23:13.37`	`cbreak`	`$shell.setSucks(true);`
`23:13.54`	`cbreak`	`... :)`
`23:15.25`	`PProvost`	`Powershell is actually quite powerful. It has some idiosyncracies, but the passing of objects across the pipe is quite powerful.`
`23:15.37`	`tekkub`	`I've still never touched it`
`23:15.43`	`tekkub`	`I just bought a mac instead ><`
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`23:15.56`	`PProvost`	`I use it every day. It is my primary console shell on Windows.`
`23:16.19`	`tekkub`	`well cmd just ... sucks`
`23:16.25`	`PProvost`	`indeed`
`23:16.25`	`tekkub`	`anything is better`
`23:16.29`	`PProvost`	`it is almost 40 years old!`
`23:16.32`	`PProvost`	`lol`
`23:17.14`	`cbreak`	`I wrote two powershell scripts`
`23:17.19`	`cbreak`	`the syntax totally sucks`
`23:17.28`	`cbreak`	`and it varies accross cmd-lets`
`23:17.46`	`cbreak`	`and the objects are often .Net objects with different degree of bridge code`
`23:17.51`	`cbreak`	`so it's a total pain to worth with`
`23:18.10`	`PProvost`	`the objects are always .net objects`
`23:18.17`	`PProvost`	`with varying degress of bridge code`
`23:18.19`	`PProvost`	`:)`
`23:18.39`	`PProvost`	`I would love a shell that uses ruby as its environment instead of .net`
`23:18.43`	`PProvost`	`that would be cool`
`23:19.21`	`cbreak`	`try lua`
`23:19.23`	`cbreak`	`a lua shell!`
`23:19.26`	`PProvost`	`hehe`
`23:19.29`	`PProvost`	`yeah perhaps`
`23:19.47`	`cbreak`	`http://the-color-black.net/blog/article/CreatingUserWithPowerShell (just look at the code... it was a nightmare)`
`23:19.58`	`cbreak`	`took me hours over hours of debugging to get right`
`23:20.04`	`cbreak`	`but it has a GUI :)`
`23:20.11`	`cbreak`	`so the people I wrote it for could actually use it`
`23:20.35`	`WobWork`	`hehe "After brooding for some time, it suddenly occurred to me how to save SchrÃ¶dinger's cat[?]. If SchrÃ¶dinger opens the lid, there is a 50% chance that doing so will result in a dead cat. But if SchrÃ¶dinger simply unlocks the lid and waits patiently, the live version of the cat will eventually climb out on its own. The moral is that if you force an answer, you risk losing the cat, whereas if you let the cat decide, you're guar`
`23:21.11`	`foxlit`	`" you're guar"`
`23:22.43`	`PProvost`	`cbreak: the issue there isn't so much PS as it is that much of Windows still isn't ready for console type admin`
`23:22.50`	`PProvost`	`Tons of objects and such are missing`
`23:22.54`	`cbreak`	`yeah`
`23:22.56`	`cbreak`	`but...`
`23:22.57`	`PProvost`	`Doing it from cmd wouldn't have been any better`
`23:23.03`	`WobWork`	`"you're guaranteed not to get in trouble with the RSPCA"`
`23:23.08`	`PProvost`	`in fact, probably worse`
`23:23.09`	`cbreak`	`if you use Exchange Server 2007, you can't even use AD integration to create users`
`23:23.14`	`cbreak`	`you HAVE to use the PowerShell`
`23:23.26`	`PProvost`	`yeah, they were a bit aggressive about PS adoption`
`23:23.28`	`PProvost`	`:P`
`23:23.30`	`cbreak`	`(or the special admin thingie)`
`23:23.45`	`PProvost`	`As a developer shell, I like it`
`23:23.50`	`PProvost`	`I don't do sysadmin`
`23:23.51`	`cbreak`	`half the people in the IT group worked as admin :(`
`23:23.56`	`cbreak`	`(logged in as admin!)`
`23:24.01`	`cbreak`	`bad example)`
`23:24.10`	`PProvost`	`I have a sudo script for psh`
`23:24.16`	`PProvost`	`so I don't need to run admin`
`23:24.21`	`cbreak`	`I had one too when I used to work there`
`23:24.36`	`foxlit`	`So what do people use to read MPQs?`
`23:24.40`	`cbreak`	`runas /u admin@thedomainofthecompany cmd`
`23:24.54`	`cbreak`	`but most of them didn't get why it was a bad idea to be logged in as admin`
`23:24.59`	`PProvost`	`runas /u isn't like sudo`
`23:25.06`	`PProvost`	`it acually logs in as that other user`
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`23:25.17`	`PProvost`	`the new lua model lets you elevate without relogging`
`23:25.22`	`PProvost`	`just for one execution process`
`23:25.24`	`bleeter`	`Norganna.org now has a FB 'fan' page, http://is.gd/5NhOP please join if you're so inclined ;)`
`23:25.36`	`PProvost`	`woot Norganna!`
`23:25.37`	`PProvost`	`:P`
`23:26.04`	`cbreak`	`PProvost: sudo does that too`
`23:26.09`	`cbreak`	`it logs in one process as that user`
`23:26.31`	`PProvost`	`yes`
`23:26.39`	`PProvost`	`I just wanted to elevate this, as me`
`23:26.45`	`PProvost`	`which isn't what runas does`
`23:26.47`	`PProvost`	`unfortunately`
`23:27.02`	`PProvost`	`I wanted the equivalent of win7 right click "run as administrator"`
`23:27.04`	`cbreak`	`if you run it`
`23:27.06`	`PProvost`	`from powershell`
`23:27.07`	`cbreak`	`it has all rights you have`
`23:27.22`	`cbreak`	`runas /u administrator@localhost`
`23:27.32`	`cbreak`	`... add the app name :)`
`23:28.13`	`cbreak`	`I don't work with win a lot... but I do hate it.`
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`23:28.32`	`PProvost`	`ah yes`
`23:28.38`	`PProvost`	`runas makes me enter a password`
`23:28.42`	`PProvost`	`like sudo`
`23:28.44`	`PProvost`	`gotcha`
`23:28.56`	`PProvost`	`mine used the fact that I was already on the perms list for elevation`
`23:28.58`	`PProvost`	`so no password`
`23:29.20`	`PProvost`	`6/1 half dozen the other`
`23:29.32`	`cbreak`	`well, there are differences`
`23:29.43`	`cbreak`	`sudo asks for your password and then checks if you are authorized to run it`
`23:29.48`	`cbreak`	`runas just asks for the password of the user`
`23:30.26`	`cbreak`	`on Unixes, sudo is a set-uid binary`
`23:30.33`	`cbreak`	`dangerous things`
`23:30.40`	`PProvost`	`indeed`
`23:30.47`	`cbreak`	`no matter who runs them, they always run under the user that owns them`
`23:31.39`	`cbreak`	`on OS X, there's a service that runs in the background (with very high priviledges), that executes stuff if it thinks you have the right to do it`
`23:31.44`	`cbreak`	`as alternative`
`23:31.48`	`cbreak`	`no idea how windows does it`
`23:32.02`	`cbreak`	`appart from requireing credentials for the user you want to run stuff as`
`23:32.03`	`PProvost`	`different but more like mac than like *nix`
`23:32.19`	`cbreak`	`os x has both worlds.`
`23:32.25`	`cbreak`	`twice the possibilities, twice the holes :D`
`23:32.29`	`PProvost`	`lol`
`23:32.41`	`Shirik`	`"Internet Explorer has modified this page to help prevent cross-site scripting"`
`23:32.48`	`Shirik`	`BUT WE WON'T TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT WE DID LOOLOLOLOL`
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`23:33.13`	`PProvost`	`basically in modern windows (vista/win7/2k8r2) when you are in the admin permission group, you aren't actually an admin`
`23:33.22`	`PProvost`	`the stuff you run still runs as reg user permissions`
`23:33.25`	`foxlit`	`Shirik: because if we did, the terrorists would win.`
`23:33.34`	`Shirik`	`well I don't know if it's breaking the hell out of my script`
`23:33.40`	`PProvost`	`unless you explicitly tell it to run with full admin perms`
`23:33.59`	`PProvost`	`Shirik: I think you can turn all that off`
`23:34.12`	`Shirik`	`I'm not going to tell every user that uses Wikipedia to turn that off`
`23:34.22`	`Fisker`	`well Shirik`
`23:34.37`	`Fisker`	`If i was IE why would i tell a scammer, such as yourself, how to bypass my protection?`
`23:34.45`	`foxlit`	`meh, failwindows.`
`23:34.59`	`foxlit`	`You can't minimize a window that's displaying a modal dialog that can only be closed.`
`23:35.04`	`Fisker`	`You're the worst kind of scammer Shirik`
`23:35.34`	`Kraps`	`Shirik: uses what?`
`23:35.40`	`Shirik`	`?`
`23:35.59`	`Kraps`	`turn what off?`
`23:36.17`	`Shirik`	`this "cross-site scripting filter"`
`23:36.37`	`cbreak`	`getfirefox.com`
`23:37.14`	`PProvost`	`ugh`
`23:37.17`	`Fisker`	`moar like firesux`
`23:37.21`	`PProvost`	`ff has become as bloated as ie`
`23:37.27`	`PProvost`	`I use chrome these days`
`23:38.06`	`Shirik`	`cbreak, that's a good way to piss off people`
`23:38.15`	`cbreak`	`yes. yes it is`
`23:38.15`	`Shirik`	`you can't tell them "Our site doesn't work unless you use xxx browser"`
`23:38.28`	`cbreak`	`FF is not bloated`
`23:38.31`	`cbreak`	`until you install plugins`
`23:38.38`	`cbreak`	`without which it's a pain to use`
`23:39.28`	`WobWork`	`hm`
`23:39.30`	`cbreak`	`hmm... Anyone got the Microsoft Browser Ballot url?`
`23:39.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I thought it was a program?`
`23:40.00`	`WobWork`	`would anyone have an opinion on why to use HttpRuntime.Cache instead of a custom static object cache?`
`23:40.05`	`cbreak`	`oh`
`23:40.12`	`cbreak`	`I thought it was like a default start page`
`23:40.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`hm`
`23:40.43`	`foxlit`	`If google cannot find it, it does not exist`
`23:42.11`	`Lopeppeppy`	`google is a broken stepchild.`
`23:42.17`	`Shirik`	`Kraps: While you're here, wanna try something?`
`23:42.28`	`Kraps`	`Shirik: i guess`
`23:43.11`	`Shirik`	`wait, do you use firefox?`
`23:43.17`	`A-KO`	`anyone notice the new Azeroth FPs?`
`23:43.17`	`Fisker`	`Chrome isn't bloated even with plugins`
`23:43.18`	`Fisker`	`win win`
`23:43.23`	`Fisker`	`yes A-KO`
`23:43.25`	`Fisker`	`old = old`
`23:43.36`	`A-KO`	`are there any others added for hrode other than the WPL ones?`
`23:43.45`	`Fisker`	`nope`
`23:43.55`	`Fisker`	`Only about 5 years too late`
`23:43.57`	`Fisker`	`amirite?`
`23:44.06`	`Kraps`	`Shirik: yes`
`23:44.22`	`Kraps`	`but i have ie, chrome, safari`
`23:45.09`	`cbreak`	`http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/10/microsoft-investigation-nears-end-as-eu-oks-browser-ballot.ars shows the url as www.browserballot.eu`
`23:45.18`	`cbreak`	`but that server doesn't seem to respond to anything`
`23:46.04`	`foxlit`	`screenshot is fake anyway`
`23:46.05`	`bleeter`	`Lopeppeppy++`
`23:46.14`	`foxlit`	`Real IE 8 shows a / after the domain.`
`23:46.35`	`foxlit`	`Hm, different screenshot. Meh!`
`23:46.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`Kraps: dont trust hime`
`23:46.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`him*`
`23:47.46`	`Kraps`	`Thunder_Child: its too late, ive activated the global systems shutdown`
`23:48.10`	`Kraps`	`http://kotaku.com/5440826/wife-or-six+foot-orc-statue-warcraft-fan-forced-to-choose`
`23:48.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`good going Kraps, we are all dead thanks to you`
`23:48.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`and by dead i mean using analog cameras`
`23:49.11`	`Fisker`	`how is ditching your orc rational?`
`23:49.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol with a 16 year old girl now`
`23:52.25`	`cog\|away`	`could someone go to http://kistlervineyards.com/order/ ? it should be down for maintenance...`
`23:52.36`	`Fisker`	`it's not`
`23:52.46`	`Fisker`	`it's down for unexpected error`
`23:53.24`	`Fisker`	`goodbye cruel cog\|away`
`23:54.36`	`cog\|away`	`how 'bout now?`
`23:55.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`down properly now cog\|away`
`23:55.16`	`cog\|away`	`ty`
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