IRC log for #wowuidev on 20100101

`00:00.06`	`cog\|away`	`so in honor of accented characters being allowed on US realms, my gnome priest will be named RouedentÃ©e`
`00:00.17`	`Dagmar`	`They've been allowed for ages`
`00:00.27`	`cog\|away`	`yeah, but that was shortly before i ragequit :P`
`00:00.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`rrrrraaaaaaaaggggggggggeeeeeeeeee`
`00:00.37`	`Dagmar`	`IMHO they should force nick changes and have someone out to pour kerosene and a lit match for their owners`
`00:00.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I will seriously be erasing Peppy and re-doing her as a priestess...`
`00:01.30`	`bluspacecow`	`are you still rage quitty cog ?`
`00:01.45`	`cog\|away`	`bluspacecow: nah... mrs cog missed me so i signed up again a couple months ago`
`00:01.58`	`bluspacecow`	`asks in the spirit of Cordelia asking Angel if he was still grrrrr arrggg`
`00:01.59`	`cog\|away`	`and now i'm addicted to the dungeon finder`
`00:02.18`	`bluspacecow`	`its possible to level a toon completely using that`
`00:02.33`	`bluspacecow`	`do a few starter quests for gear . few BoA items ... set !`
`00:03.02`	`Dagmar`	`It's fun, but a little terrifying`
`00:03.14`	`Dagmar`	`I have gotten burned using the rp-gear trick`
`00:03.28`	`Fisker`	`kisses kd3`
`00:03.39`	`Dagmar`	`A tank with two blues.`
`00:03.41`	`bluspacecow`	`oh do share dagmar what is this rp-gear trick ?`
`00:03.48`	`Dagmar`	`Dress down when you queue`
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`00:04.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`yet they say that the stuff checks all the gear you have not just what you are wearing`
`00:04.54`	`Dagmar`	`It could be weighted for all I know`
`00:05.15`	`bluspacecow`	`weighted clothing like Dragon Ball ?`
`00:05.28`	`Dagmar`	`Good thing we don't have fatigue to worry about`
`00:05.41`	`cog\|away`	`i think the gear checker is actually a bit on the optimistic side. I've never been able to successfully complete HHoR with a purely random group...`
`00:06.07`	`Dagmar`	`I have, when they listen to me`
`00:06.17`	`Dagmar`	`I just despise having to demonstrate leadership skills`
`00:06.23`	`cog\|away`	`we got pretty close today but the healer couldn't quite keep up`
`00:06.39`	`Kraps`	`rawr!`
`00:06.49`	`Dagmar`	`not enoough CC?`
`00:07.14`	`Dagmar`	`Like, until you can trounce most heroics HoR is still not something you really wanna AoE-tank`
`00:07.37`	`Antiarc`	`Wooo.`
`00:07.39`	`Antiarc`	`http://i.imgur.com/wYGdD.jpg`
`00:07.43`	`Antiarc`	`http://i.imgur.com/6xJpn.jpg`
`00:07.45`	`Dagmar`	`Failrik and Marvin's crew just walk all over people who can't prioritize new targets quickly`
`00:08.04`	`cog\|away`	`nod i need to get a marking addon`
`00:08.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`bind the numpad`
`00:08.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`alt+{0-9)`
`00:08.27`	`Antiarc`	`opie works dandy for me`
`00:08.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`*}`
`00:08.31`	`Antiarc`	`alt-r, select mark`
`00:08.39`	`Dagmar`	`MagicMarker might still work`
`00:08.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`opie is pretty good too`
`00:09.00`	`Kraps`	`http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/quick-mark.aspx`
`00:09.19`	`Dagmar`	`...but mainly unless you want to mouse over everything non-stop, people running point have to be ready to clamp down on the mage and hunter there immediately`
`00:09.21`	`cog\|away`	`yeah, something like opie would be best for me. my left hand is dedicated to hotkeys on the left half of my keyboard and I do all my movement with my mouse`
`00:09.41`	`Dagmar`	`The healer absolutely must die`
`00:09.41`	`cog\|away`	`so the numpad is far less than ideal`
`00:09.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`it's fine for setting up`
`00:10.07`	`Dagmar`	`...and they have to be able to deal with changing conditions. When the thing spawns two mages, if you screw with them both at the same time you get FOUR`
`00:10.38`	`Dagmar`	`You literally have to CC one of them and keep 'em out of play while you kill the healer and the other mage (who will generally split anyway)`
`00:11.15`	`cog\|away`	`in the last couple weeks our guild and our partner guild have grown nicely. most of the randoms we've done recently have only had one or two pug members`
`00:11.16`	`Dagmar`	`Half the time pugging that I wind up kiting the rogues a bit`
`00:11.42`	`Dagmar`	`cog\|away: it does help when you're used to working with certain people so you know how and when they'll react to things`
`00:11.50`	`cog\|away`	`and vent helps too ;)`
`00:11.53`	`Dagmar`	`Oh lord yes`
`00:12.01`	`Fisker`	`KD`
`00:12.02`	`Fisker`	`3`
`00:12.19`	`Dagmar`	`Like, my guild leader's gotten used to me occasionally making "executive" decisions about kill order`
`00:12.32`	`Dagmar`	`PUGs freak out if I run off to eliminate someone out of sequence`
`00:13.11`	`Dagmar`	`...but I can absolutely maul any given clothie trash when the need arises`
`00:14.01`	`Dagmar`	`It definitely beats letting them nuke someone over and over while the pally tank just consecrates with his fingers crossed`
`00:15.24`	`Dagmar`	`There should be an achievement for taking out a Commander with a melee blow`
`00:18.41`	`Fisker`	`you can't stop me kd3`
`00:19.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Rawr?`
`00:23.47`	`bluspacecow`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:23.50`	`bluspacecow`	`lolz`
`00:27.40`	`Fisker`	`kd3 has to answer me`
`00:27.42`	`Fisker`	`it's an order`
`00:28.04`	`bluspacecow`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:28.18`	`bluspacecow`	`last post on thread : 03/21/2008 09:18:37 AM NZDT`
`00:28.30`	`bluspacecow`	`next post added today almost 2 years later :(`
`00:30.07`	`zenzelezz`	`what thread?`
`00:30.18`	`Fisker`	`i made farts on you bluspacecow`
`00:30.27`	`bluspacecow`	`:)`
`00:30.33`	`bluspacecow`	`not telling`
`00:30.38`	`bluspacecow`	`its too traumatic`
`00:33.45`	`kd3`	`oh ow... "Man decides to go bungee jumping, thinks there's nothing wrong with the cord. Frayed knot "`
`00:33.51`	`bluspacecow`	`http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog47/presentations/Sunday/RAS_Traceroute_N47_Sun.pdf`
`00:34.25`	`bluspacecow`	`1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.890 ms 0.447 ms 0.451 ms`
`00:34.25`	`bluspacecow`	`2 10.7.88.1 (10.7.88.1) 84.998 ms 277.722 ms 14.074 ms`
`00:34.28`	`bluspacecow`	`ow`
`00:43.00`	`Fisker`	`kd3!`
`00:43.10`	`Fisker`	`what tv did you get?`
`00:50.25`	`kd3`	`a samsung 31.5" model.`
`00:51.16`	`Iriel`	`We've been very happy with our samsung TV's`
`00:51.45`	`kd3`	`looking forward to putting it through its paces when my shipment gets here at some point`
`00:51.57`	`kd3`	`and maybe after buying a blu-ray player or something`
`00:52.21`	`Fisker`	`need model numbar`
`00:52.53`	`kd3`	`ln32b530`
`00:53.19`	`Fisker`	`tsk`
`00:53.23`	`Fisker`	`not even LED backlighting?`
`00:53.27`	`Fisker`	`i'm disappoint`
`00:53.46`	`kd3`	`it's plenty bright enough`
`00:54.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`needs a tv someday.`
`00:54.07`	`Fisker`	`that's not the point`
`00:54.17`	`Fisker`	`i want one for the lulz`
`00:57.51`	`Lopeppeppy`	`So go get one and lulz at me!`
`01:00.31`	`Fisker`	`naw`
`01:00.38`	`Fisker`	`i want one with LED backlighting`
`01:00.41`	`Fisker`	`But they're expensive`
`01:00.46`	`Fisker`	`so i'm waiting until they l2p`
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`01:17.03`	`Kraps`	`how good is the game crysis?`
`01:17.16`	`Kraps`	`and fallout 3?`
`01:17.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`ive heard crysis was more of a tech demo than a game`
`01:18.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`it's quite a good game, imo`
`01:18.38`	`Kraps`	`#13.59 on steam`
`01:18.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`There is something to cloaking and sneaking around 30 different koreans and 3 tanks`
`01:18.51`	`Antiarc`	`Crysis is well worth the sale on Steam`
`01:18.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And winning`
`01:18.59`	`Antiarc`	`Also, \o/`
`01:19.00`	`Antiarc`	`http://i.imgur.com/njfSg.jpg`
`01:19.15`	`Kraps`	`street fighter 4 is $10`
`01:21.18`	`Fisker`	`So what is that Kraps? 13 numbers or something?`
`01:21.45`	`Kraps`	`punches Fisker`
`01:22.44`	`Fisker`	`gets knocked out`
`01:22.49`	`Antiarc`	`Arrowmaster: I enjoyed Crysis as a game, personally`
`01:22.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Kraps: I have really enjoyed crysis`
`01:23.08`	`Kraps`	`i have too many games :(`
`01:23.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've got just under 100 on steam`
`01:23.18`	`Kraps`	`but not enough`
`01:23.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I know another guy with 160`
`01:23.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And a coworker with >230`
`01:23.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`so no you don't`
`01:24.00`	`Kraps`	`zomg`
`01:24.03`	`Fisker`	`failure ScytheBlade1`
`01:24.18`	`Fisker`	`now you know one with 270`
`01:26.13`	`Kraps`	`and i'm still waiting on ME2 and AC2 at least`
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`01:56.42`	`Yssaril`	`if i have 3 functions a, b, and c where a and b are called right after each other if i securehook c to a then the execution order would be a,c,b right?`
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`02:10.46`	Cralor`	`hey guys. for AddonLoader Class tag, is the class field for DK "Death Knight"?`
`02:11.24`	`Shadowed`	`I would assume it's the localized version`
`02:11.26`	`Shadowed`	`so DEATHKNIGHT`
`02:11.30`	`Shadowed`	`er the class token version*`
`02:11.34`	Cralor`	`ok thanks Shadowed`
`02:20.39`	Cralor`	`anyone know a 64bit FTP? Does FileZilla still work ok even though it's 32?`
`02:20.55`	Cralor`	`i wish SmartFTP hadn't gone paid =/`
`02:21.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`you can run 32bit on 64bit just fine`
`02:22.06`	Cralor`	`ok just making sure`
`02:22.19`	Cralor`	`is there any case where that is not true?`
`02:23.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
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`02:23.28`	Cralor`	`ok thanks`
`02:23.57`	`PProvost`	Cralor`: there may be an occiasional app that doesn't work properly but they are few and far between these days.
`02:24.19`	Cralor`	`good to hear`
`02:26.59`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Happy new years, guys, I'm gonna be loggin' off now.`
`02:27.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`gives big hugs all around.`
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`02:33.04`	`Polarina`	`Now the most exciting and entertaining part of the year: updating copyright notices! :D`
`02:36.30`	`Dagmar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:55.50`	`Shirik`	`I don't undersatnd why people do that`
`02:58.09`	`kd3`	`whee; lots of edits already in 2010 thanks to utc`
`02:58.13`	`kd3`	`now if css would stop being stupid`
`03:00.51`	`dear_light`	`css is to design as construction paper is to art... usable ... but leaves something to be desired`
`03:01.26`	`Adys`	`css is great and your comparison is shit`
`03:01.28`	`Adys`	`ps: I'm right`
`03:01.40`	`dear_light`	`sure it is.`
`03:01.46`	`Adys`	`yep, it is`
`03:02.09`	`Adys`	`not that i wouldnt have a few feature requests for it`
`03:02.22`	`Adys`	`but Im quite happy as is`
`03:04.12`	`dear_light`	`i think it can do a lot, but it leaves something to be desired, relative values to other elements being number 1, true animation features, calc working on something more than just the expression units provided (a function return for example?), could go on but those are things i want most`
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`03:13.42`	`cbreak`	`more complexity leads to more security flaws`
`03:14.08`	`cbreak`	`just look at all those bugs/holes/design errors that are only exploitable due to java script`
`03:15.29`	`Adys`	`dear_light: advanced animation features are not for css, but other languages such as aSVG, canvas etc`
`03:16.04`	`Adys`	`dear_light: however css3 does have some basic animation, the kind of animation that can still be considered as styling -- which is the main intent of css`
`03:16.24`	`cbreak`	`<blink>Animation, yay!</blink>`
`03:16.37`	`Adys`	`text-decoration: blink, thats here since css1`
`03:17.14`	`cbreak`	`why can only text blink?`
`03:17.43`	`Adys`	`you can make images blink easily with js :P`
`03:17.56`	`cbreak`	`shiver`
`03:18.01`	`PProvost`	`blink is evil`
`03:18.02`	`cbreak`	`one reason more to disable that`
`03:18.02`	`Adys`	`dear_light: I'm with you with a more programmable css, if only something as simple as variable names`
`03:18.29`	`dear_light`	`i gave up on that after arguing w/ the css people for 3 months`
`03:18.32`	`Adys`	`$foo { color: red; text-decoration: blink; font-weight: bold }`
`03:19.13`	`Adys`	`.bar { @extends(foo); font-style: italic; }`
`03:20.00`	`cbreak`	`you can do that server side`
`03:20.12`	`dear_light`	`you can do it client side too`
`03:20.17`	`dear_light`	`its just painful and inefficient`
`03:21.19`	`dear_light`	`you can do almost all of this client side except the relative widths easily`
`03:21.37`	`dear_light`	`relative values*`
`03:22.55`	`dear_light`	`heck id be happy if dommutation events worked in something`
`03:23.08`	`dear_light`	`thats been in the DOM spec for how many years?`
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`03:35.58`	`Adys`	`where are maps stored in the mpqs?`
`03:38.37`	`Adys`	`ah, worldmap`
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`03:43.48`	`kaiden^`	`any approvers able to approve kLoot's latest version, he released it without textures so everyone that's using it isn't able to see their loot windows :P he fixed it just waiting on approval hehe`
`03:49.36`	`frontendloader`	`you know`
`03:49.40`	`frontendloader`	`sometimes case sensitivity`
`03:49.50`	`frontendloader`	`nevermind`
`03:49.59`	`frontendloader`	`but I'll be damned if I ever waste another two horus`
`03:50.02`	`frontendloader`	`hours`
`03:50.04`	`frontendloader`	`on a lowercase d`
`03:53.21`	`Adys`	`Junk food leftovers from new years`
`03:53.26`	`Adys`	`I'm a dead man`
`03:59.34`	`kaiden^`	`thx for approving`
`03:59.35`	`kaiden^`	`:)`
`04:00.30`	`frontendloader`	`my colon is already torched from christmas junk food :(`
`04:01.05`	`kaiden^`	`What in the world makes you think anyone wants to know that? :(`
`04:03.59`	`frontendloader`	`idk with the whole twitter thing and all I thought it was the cool thing to share your useless and disgusting thoughts`
`04:04.09`	`frontendloader`	`on the internet`
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`04:05.12`	`Adys`	`it is, on twitter`
`04:05.50`	`Adys`	`its very appropriate to talk about your colon's contents on what pretty much stands as being the internet's public shitter`
`04:06.01`	`frontendloader`	`and isn't irc just a frontend for twitter?`
`04:06.18`	`frontendloader`	`I had to use my twitter name to get on it`
`04:06.33`	`Adys`	`scary, scary thought right there`
`04:06.45`	`frontendloader`	`they see me trollin`
`04:07.12`	`Adys`	`Shirik: you there?`
`04:07.16`	`Shirik`	`no`
`04:07.18`	`frontendloader`	`I got someone pretty good with that one once :/`
`04:07.25`	`Adys`	`Shirik: good, help me`
`04:07.27`	`Shirik`	`no`
`04:07.32`	`Shirik`	`I'm trying to meet a deadline`
`04:07.35`	`Shirik`	`what do you need, it better be quick`
`04:07.57`	`frontendloader`	`its not like you've got the whole rest of the year to get it done`
`04:08.03`	`Adys`	`const unsigned char *bits = blockStorage + 2;`
`04:08.03`	`Adys`	`unsigned long alphaCode1 = bits[2] \| (bits[3] << 8) \| (bits[4] << 16) \| (bits[5] << 24);`
`04:08.03`	`Adys`	`unsigned short alphaCode2 = bits[0] \| (bits[1] << 8);`
`04:08.25`	`Adys`	`how is it accessing bits[5] exactly?`
`04:08.39`	`Adys`	`i mean`
`04:08.42`	`Adys`	`whats bits, at all?`
`04:09.17`	`frontendloader`	`a pointer to an array?`
`04:09.45`	`Shirik`	`bits[5] is just the address bits + sizeof(unsigned char)*5`
`04:09.49`	`Adys`	`oh`
`04:09.50`	`Adys`	`OH`
`04:09.54`	`Shirik`	`which, because C++ guarantees sizeof(char) is 1, it's just bits+5`
`04:09.54`	`Adys`	`thanks`
`04:09.57`	`Adys`	`makes sense now`
`04:10.49`	`frontendloader`	`prospero aÃ±o y felicidad`
`04:14.53`	`Adys`	`bits = unpack("<14B", block[2:])`
`04:14.59`	`Adys`	`this makes a lot more sense`
`04:18.41`	`Adys`	`... and this makes a much smaller amount of sense`
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`04:36.41`	`DWSR`	`hai everybody.`
`04:37.41`	`DWSR`	`Hippy nude bear.`
`04:47.45`	`DWSR`	`Anyone here got a Razer Naga?`
`04:55.35`	`smcn`	`nagatory`
`05:00.08`	`Shirik`	`happy new year aka fu`
`05:01.13`	`DWSR`	`hippy nude bear`
`05:19.20`	`Adys`	`Whats the most reliable blp converter that doesnt require java?`
`05:19.45`	`foxlit`	`/wave`
`05:19.55`	`Adys`	`standalone application`
`05:20.01`	`Adys`	`im trying toc ompare stuff here`
`05:20.10`	`foxlit`	`Although I'm beginning to wonder about my palette data.`
`05:20.32`	`Adys`	`foxlit: what language is yours in?`
`05:20.44`	`foxlit`	`Adys: C or Lua.`
`05:20.49`	`foxlit`	`Neither is really readable.`
`05:20.58`	`Adys`	`you decode the dxt* stuff yourself?`
`05:21.03`	`foxlit`	`Yes.`
`05:21.17`	`Adys`	`theres only dxt1 and dxt5 right?`
`05:21.22`	`foxlit`	`3, too`
`05:21.27`	`Adys`	`bleh`
`05:21.38`	`Adys`	`dont suppose you feel like sharing the code for dxt3 ?`
`05:21.43`	`foxlit`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/BLP_files#Sample_Files may prove useful`
`05:22.42`	`Adys`	`neat a raw file`
`05:24.38`	`Adys`	`Pop quiz, who has the most 404 links pointed at:`
`05:24.41`	`Adys`	`- MSDN`
`05:24.44`	`Adys`	`- Curse.com`
`05:24.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`msdn`
`05:25.06`	`Adys`	`that your final answer?`
`05:25.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`05:25.25`	`Adys`	`I believe they're pretty much even`
`05:26.17`	`foxlit`	`Adys: http://go-hero.net/temp/dxt3`
`05:26.49`	`Adys`	`tyv*`
`05:27.10`	`Adys`	`you indent with two spaces`
`05:27.27`	`Adys`	`but you're forgiven because you don't use retarded newlines behind every brace`
`05:27.42`	`foxlit`	`I actually indent with tabs.`
`05:27.44`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`Happy New Year!`
`05:27.48`	`foxlit`	`You're looking at GeSHi output.`
`05:27.54`	`Adys`	`then you're even mor forgiven`
`05:28.00`	`Adys`	`Cairenn: Ni hao!`
`05:28.02`	`ZorbaTHut`	`woot loremaster zorba`
`05:28.12`	`foxlit`	`[If you refresh, I throw in the interpolation in there]`
`05:30.48`	`*** join/#wowuidev Natch\| (n=natch@c-97cde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)`
`05:32.34`	`smcn`	`ZorbaTHut: grats! my mom just got it a week ago thanks to /qh incomplete :D`
`05:32.52`	`Dagmar`	`heh`
`05:32.54`	`Dagmar`	`yer mom`
`05:32.59`	`Adys`	`scary`
`05:34.26`	`ZorbaTHut`	`smcn, nice :D`
`05:34.31`	`*** join/#wowuidev tem (n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem)`
`05:34.31`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+v tem] by ChanServ`
`05:34.47`	`tem`	`happy new year`
`05:35.02`	`Cairenn`	`speak of the devil ....`
`05:35.32`	`Adys`	`which devil?`
`05:35.38`	`tem`	`:D`
`05:35.38`	`Cairenn`	`Happy New Year Tem!`
`05:35.46`	`Cairenn`	`waits for it`
`05:35.53`	`tem`	`I rarely win stuff`
`05:35.57`	`tem`	`is very excited now`
`05:36.25`	`Cairenn`	`:)`
`05:36.41`	`Cairenn`	`congrats sweetie`
`05:37.04`	`tem`	`Thanks!`
`05:37.20`	`Cairenn`	`I just about killed myself laughing when your name came up`
`05:37.37`	`Adys`	`And did you?`
`05:37.52`	`Cairenn`	`obviously not, otherwise I wouldn't be typing right now ;)`
`05:38.00`	`Adys`	`hey I dunno`
`05:38.05`	`Adys`	`seen weirder things here`
`05:38.17`	`Cairenn`	`true dat`
`05:41.24`	`tem`	`Do you know (or can you tell us) how many entries have been made to the contest?`
`05:43.00`	`Cairenn`	`I'll be commenting (in generalities) when I draw the last name`
`05:43.46`	`tem`	`cool`
`05:43.48`	`tem`	`wait`
`05:43.52`	`tem`	`people can't find these things?`
`05:43.53`	`tem`	`really?`
`05:44.29`	`foxlit`	`can you catch them all?`
`05:44.43`	`tem`	`pokemonathon isn't until summer time`
`05:44.48`	`tem`	`and we stick with the original 151`
`05:45.55`	`foxlit`	`Would clicking "Enable Portal" irrevocably change site functionality for me?`
`05:46.34`	`Adys`	`you'd permanently have a huge companion cube blocking the view`
`05:46.54`	`Cairenn`	`foxlit: no`
`05:47.16`	`Cairenn`	`won't change anything for you other than giving you your portal :)`
`05:48.05`	`tem`	`Is it weird that I'll probably keep finding the presents?`
`05:48.15`	`Cairenn`	`nope`
`05:48.30`	`tem`	`and doing it as soon as I see it posted`
`05:48.31`	`foxlit`	`Cairenn: I was wondering about the link, but it does actually lead to a confirmation page, so things are sane.`
`05:48.35`	`Cairenn`	`my mom and daughter have been trying to find them every day, too, even though they know I can't draw their names`
`05:48.39`	`tem`	`as if the drawing is in 10 minutes instead of 12 hours`
`05:49.24`	`tem`	`you can't?`
`05:49.28`	`tem`	`that's a bummer`
`05:49.31`	`Cairenn`	`tem: family`
`05:49.37`	`tem`	`nod`
`05:49.42`	`Cairenn`	`no way I'd get away with giving them prizes`
`05:50.01`	`Cairenn`	`any more than giving prizes to staff (even though they are volunteer)`
`05:51.08`	`Dolby`	`although we really have 40 grunty's. Cairenn is keeping an army of 20 for her self.`
`05:51.13`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (n=kalroth@2506ds1-hj.0.fullrate.dk)`
`05:51.23`	`tem`	`extra 20 should go to FAs imo`
`05:51.27`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`05:51.37`	`tem`	`at least, that was going to be my argument if I didn't win >.>`
`05:51.50`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`05:53.50`	`tem`	`hmm`
`05:53.58`	`tem`	`anyone have a zergling?`
`05:54.07`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`05:54.24`	`Cairenn`	`give Tem a Grunty and the first thing he wants to do is try to get him killed!`
`05:54.25`	`Cairenn`	`sheesh`
`05:54.33`	`tem`	`I wanna see it!`
`05:54.49`	`tem`	`I suppose I could youtube it`
`05:55.53`	`tem`	`yikes`
`05:56.01`	`tem`	`poor grunty gets oneshot`
`05:59.07`	`tem`	`Besides, Cairenn, breaking stuff was kind of my thing`
`05:59.10`	`Cairenn`	`whichever one gets the first shot wins, it seems`
`05:59.12`	`Cairenn`	`true enough :)`
`06:00.15`	`Cairenn`	`"Slouken, I break WoW"`
`06:01.32`	`Yssaril`	`happy new years`
`06:01.46`	`Cairenn`	`Happy New Year Yssaril :)`
`06:09.23`	`*** join/#wowuidev A-KO (i=as@c-76-111-8-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net)`
`06:35.58`	`Adys`	`Retarded doc`
`06:35.59`	`Adys`	`wowwiki says "blp palettes are ARGB"`
`06:35.59`	`Adys`	`wikipedia says "they're RGBA"`
`06:36.11`	`Adys`	`this converter's source says "It's BGRA"`
`06:36.52`	`Adys`	`i think the next thing Im gonna look up will say they're CMYK`
`06:40.06`	`Torhal`	`Adys: Or, more likely, FUCK`
`06:40.50`	`Shadowed`	`You could ask clad, although I doubt he's online`
`06:40.56`	`Shadowed`	`since he has that converter on wowprogramming`
`06:41.02`	`Torhal`	`Shadowed: That's foxlit's`
`06:41.12`	`Shadowed`	`you could ask foxlit, although he isn't online`
`06:41.30`	`Adys`	`its not the issue anyway, I'd see if it the problem was in the colors`
`06:41.31`	`Jerub`	`yay`
`06:41.37`	`Adys`	`Im getting garbage`
`06:41.42`	`Jerub`	`guild cleared toc10`
`06:41.55`	`Adys`	`advanced texture compression.. np`
`06:42.01`	`Adys`	`reading from a raw image, fail`
`06:42.12`	`Jerub`	`went from being too scared to set foot in the place to clearing it`
`06:42.21`	`Kalroth`	`Adys: it's most likely ARGB or BGRA!`
`06:43.47`	`Adys`	`lua>512*128`
`06:43.48`	`lua_bot`	`Adys: 65536`
`06:43.58`	`Adys`	`Ok`
`06:44.00`	`Adys`	`thats the issue`
`06:44.30`	`Adys`	`WOOT.`
`06:44.39`	`Adys`	`NOW it's colors.`
`06:44.39`	`Adys`	`:D`
`06:45.31`	`Adys`	`Kalroth: hahahh`
`06:46.05`	`Adys`	`Kalroth: the image I'm working on is supposed to be a bar glow, but with the colors fucked it looks like a spermatozoid, it reminded me of you`
`06:46.05`	`Kalroth`	`word sized? :p`
`06:46.14`	`Kalroth`	`aww`
`06:46.22`	`Adys`	`intchi cutsey witsey!`
`06:47.14`	`Kalroth`	`so kawaiii ^__________________________^`
`06:48.39`	`Adys`	`Kalroth: rofl ok this is messed up`
`06:49.25`	`Adys`	`one sec, ss inc.`
`06:52.12`	`Adys`	`Kalroth: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/minikalle.png`
`06:52.46`	`Kalroth`	`hah`
`06:52.50`	`Dagmar`	`Ick. Bitmap invation`
`06:52.55`	`Dagmar`	`s/tion/sion/;`
`06:53.08`	`Dagmar`	`The blue part is pretty tho`
`06:53.59`	`Adys`	`its a loading bar texture.`
`06:54.15`	`Adys`	`i dunno about your fetishes with loading bars but hey`
`06:54.17`	`Adys`	`not here to judge`
`06:57.02`	`Kalroth`	`<Adys> .. it looks like a spermatozoid`
`06:57.02`	`Kalroth`	`<Adys> i dunno about your fetishes with loading bars`
`06:57.17`	`Adys`	`<3`
`07:00.38`	`Adys`	`aaaaand it works :)`
`07:00.50`	`Adys`	`and it was indeed bgra`
`07:00.58`	`Adys`	`almost typed viagra`
`07:01.01`	`Adys`	`~cutey Kalroth`
`07:02.11`	`Zhinjio`	`Happy New Year`
`07:05.01`	`Cairenn`	`Happy New Year Zhinjio :)`
`07:07.50`	`*** join/#wowuidev Arcalyth (n=arcalyth@c-24-11-8-47.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)`
`07:22.23`	`Adys`	`I can see it coming`
`07:22.32`	`Adys`	`the chrome toolbar is going to become like the wow minimap used to be`
`07:22.50`	`Adys`	`I have 7 very small extensions`
`07:22.56`	`Adys`	`5 of them have an icon in the tooltip`
`07:22.59`	`Adys`	`... toolbar`
`07:24.58`	`Shadowed`	`ugh`
`07:25.04`	`Shadowed`	`Anyone have experience detecting belt buckles in item links?`
`07:25.20`	`Shadowed`	`As far as I can tell, the answer is it's some magic number that has no relevant basis in fact`
`07:25.29`	`Yssaril`	`Adys: quick make ToolbarButtonBag`
`07:25.59`	`Shadowed`	`Oh wait, you can't detect belt buckles period`
`07:25.59`	`Shadowed`	`:\|`
`07:26.09`	`Adys`	`Shadowed: yeah, you cant`
`07:26.35`	`Shadowed`	`why does Blizzard hate me so`
`07:26.38`	`Shadowed`	`they are jerks`
`07:26.41`	`Adys`	`unless`
`07:26.49`	`Adys`	`is there an API to get the amount of socket an item has, by id?`
`07:26.55`	`Shadowed`	`no you have to tooltip scan`
`07:27.01`	`Shadowed`	`I guess I could just check number of sockets`
`07:27.11`	`Yssaril`	`number and color`
`07:27.22`	`Adys`	`color is unnecessary`
`07:27.23`	`Shadowed`	`You can't get unsocketed belt buckle sockets periodx`
`07:27.27`	`Adys`	`item links have up to 4 sockets, if the 4th is filled and the socket is not empty`
`07:27.37`	`Shadowed`	`no it's hard capped at 3 Adys`
`07:27.48`	`Adys`	`wat?`
`07:27.54`	`Shadowed`	`the constant is at least`
`07:28.11`	`Adys`	`which one?`
`07:28.15`	`Shadowed`	`MAX_NUM_SOCKETS = 3`
`07:28.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`there are 4 spots in the itemlink for sockets though`
`07:28.25`	`Adys`	`yeah as Arrowmaster said`
`07:28.34`	`Shadowed`	`and thats the constant Blizzard uses to show the socketing frame so`
`07:28.35`	`Adys`	`an item with 3 sockets + a belt buckle socket has 4 sockets`
`07:28.45`	`Shadowed`	`pretty sure there are no belts in the game with 3 sockets?`
`07:28.52`	`Adys`	`idk`
`07:29.03`	`Shadowed`	`There can't be, cause the UI only shows 3`
`07:29.09`	`Kalroth`	`there are no belts, gloves or bracers with more than 2 sockets`
`07:29.12`	`Shadowed`	`yea`
`07:29.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`does the belt buckle use a socket slot in the itemlink or the enchant slot?`
`07:29.32`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?socket3__gt=0&slot=6`
`07:29.38`	`Adys`	`the answer seems to be no`
`07:29.46`	`Adys`	`Arrowmaster: socket link`
`07:29.46`	`Shadowed`	`If you gem something into a belt with a belt socket, it shows up in one of the normal 1 - 3 socket places`
`07:30.07`	`Shadowed`	`as far as I can tell, there is literally no way to identify a belt buckle beyond saying "The raw form of this link has 2 sockets, they only gemmed 2 sockets so they have no belt buckle"`
`07:30.09`	`Kalroth`	`yes but no socket bonus`
`07:30.40`	`Kalroth`	`if there originally was 1-2 sockets, then there's a bonus`
`07:30.41`	`Adys`	`the way they handle item links is fucked anyway`
`07:30.47`	`Shadowed`	`this is true`
`07:31.00`	`Shadowed`	`It's awesome how when inspecting people, the gems in the item link are loaded later`
`07:31.05`	`Kalroth`	`so you can do; 3 gems = perfect, 1 gem with no socket bonus = perfect, the rest is unknown`
`07:31.33`	`Adys`	`Shadowed: the gem item is stored in the enchant dbc listing`
`07:31.41`	`Adys`	`so you dont actually query the server for the gem`
`07:32.04`	`Shadowed`	`Adys: Not the literal gem, but when you inspect somebody the server returns the enchant/itemid immediately, then the item link has the gems populated later`
`07:32.12`	`Shadowed`	`(later = 0.10s-3s+ later)`
`07:32.20`	`Adys`	`uh, what?`
`07:32.24`	`Adys`	`the link changes?`
`07:32.26`	`Shadowed`	`yes`
`07:32.30`	`Shadowed`	`It's awesome`
`07:32.46`	`Kalroth`	`wow`
`07:33.01`	`Shadowed`	`Basically when you call NotifyInspect, you get item:#####:#### then it loads the gems and becomes item:#####:####:####:####:####:`
`07:35.08`	`Shadowed`	`I'm actually not sure why it does that`
`07:35.10`	`Shadowed`	`it seems kind of odd`
`07:35.23`	`Shadowed`	`I don't know why they would have the enchanting data immediately available, but not the gems`
`07:35.34`	`Adys`	`is it doing that every time?`
`07:35.41`	`Adys`	`because maybe it actually does query the gems`
`07:35.47`	`Adys`	`could be a bug or what not`
`07:35.50`	`Shadowed`	`The only time it doesn't happen is if you just inspected people`
`07:36.09`	`Shadowed`	`but I had to specifically make SexyGroup repeatedly recheck gear to see when gems became available, so it's definitely reproducable`
`07:36.23`	`Adys`	`so the gem is already in your cache`
`07:36.27`	`Adys`	`then hm`
`07:36.31`	`Adys`	`yeah i know wh`
`07:36.31`	`Adys`	`why`
`07:36.46`	`Adys`	`enchants are queried for display data (visual enchants, eg weapon enchants)`
`07:36.48`	`Adys`	`gems arent`
`07:36.52`	`Shadowed`	`ah that's true`
`07:37.46`	`Shadowed`	`~framexml`
`07:37.47`	`purl`	`Official: (Mac) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg, (Win) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip. Compare: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser`
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`07:38.31`	`Ackis`	`happy new years fuckers!`
`07:38.55`	`Shadowed`	`not new years!`
`07:39.02`	`Ackis`	`I know!`
`07:39.05`	`Ackis`	`tis my birthday!`
`07:39.25`	`Shadowed`	`I don't believe you`
`07:39.33`	`Ackis`	`it is!`
`07:39.48`	`Adys`	`http://xkcd.com/680/`
`07:40.06`	`Ackis`	`heh yeah I saw that one heh`
`07:44.58`	`Cairenn`	`Happy Birthday Ackis! :)`
`07:45.09`	`*** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ \| 3.3.x ToC: 30300 \| #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting \| Happy New Year! \| Happy Birthday Ackis!`
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`07:45.26`	`Ackis`	`ty Cairenn <3`
`07:45.31`	`Cairenn`	`<3`
`07:45.37`	`Ackis`	`Happy New Years to you (like 3 hours late for you easterners but meh :P)`
`07:45.51`	`Adys`	`Wasnt your birthday in the topic like 2 months ago?`
`07:46.10`	`Ackis`	`shouldn't have been`
`07:46.24`	`Ackis`	`on a side note I just turned 29 and got a mail from "Cool Teens Forum"... wtf?`
`07:48.35`	`Kalroth`	`The older you get, the younger they get.`
`07:49.33`	`Ackis`	`rawr`
`07:49.35`	`Ackis`	`oh other news`
`07:49.37`	`Ackis`	`imma engaged`
`07:49.38`	`Gryphen`	`ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle.`
`07:49.40`	`Ackis`	`suckas`
`07:51.16`	`Cairenn`	`Ackis: officially announced now, hey?`
`07:51.28`	`Cairenn`	`congrats again, sweetie`
`07:51.46`	`Ackis`	`Cairenn: I haven't been on IRC since before Christmas but we announced it right away to family`
`07:51.48`	`Adys`	`that might have been what was in the topic 2 months ago`
`07:52.02`	`Ackis`	`I just got engaged on Christmas eve :P`
`07:52.07`	`Ackis`	`~lart Adys`
`07:52.07`	`purl`	`takes Adys to the vet for a "special" visit`
`07:52.20`	`Cairenn`	`Ackis: some of us knew it was in the process of happening though :)`
`07:52.23`	`Adys`	`~lartparry Ackis`
`07:52.24`	`Shirik`	`hey cool`
`07:52.26`	`Shirik`	`everyone go to google.com`
`07:52.30`	`Shirik`	`and click "I'm feeling lucky"`
`07:52.31`	`Ackis`	`I know <3`
`07:52.36`	`Shirik`	`it's fun`
`07:52.45`	`Adys`	`Hey shirik, just woke up?`
`07:52.47`	`Cairenn`	`:)`
`07:52.51`	`Adys`	`from your 10 days trip?`
`07:52.56`	`Shirik`	`??`
`07:53.14`	`Adys`	`its my way of being a dick, ignore it :P`
`07:54.06`	`Adys`	`its funny though`
`07:54.11`	`Kalroth`	`I hadn't seen it before :/`
`07:54.17`	`Adys`	`you stand there thinking "heh, funny easter egg"`
`07:54.29`	`Adys`	`and its kind of a lot of work to do that in pure js`
`07:54.53`	`Ackis`	`Cairenn: her ring is gone for resizing right now, but I almost proposed with no pants on! hah`
`07:55.07`	`Cairenn`	`snickers`
`07:55.18`	`Adys`	`Ackis: if you did, the ring probably wouldn't be the only thing gone for resizing`
`07:56.09`	`Adys`	`tis the season lalala.`
`07:56.35`	`Shadowed`	`Ackis you clever bastard`
`07:56.42`	`Shadowed`	`an easy day to remember when you got engaged`
`07:56.59`	`Ackis`	`lol totally`
`07:57.11`	`Ackis`	`now if only I can remember her birthday`
`07:57.24`	`Adys`	`Shadowed: it gets better, wait until you notice they celebrate it the same day every year`
`07:57.31`	`Ackis`	`anyways long funny story about the proposal and how that got fucked up, but methinks I'm old now and I must pass out`
`07:57.32`	`Adys`	`coincidence streak`
`07:59.19`	`Cairenn`	`Ackis: looking forward to hearing it, but I think you'll have some work to do to beat how my hubby proposed to me`
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`08:00.22`	`Shadowed`	`waits to hear how her proposed to you`
`08:00.23`	`*** join/#wowuidev kaiden (n=nnscript@c-67-183-80-147.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`08:00.54`	`Adys`	`attempts to decipher Shadowed's last statement.. unsuccessfully`
`08:00.58`	`Cairenn`	`not happening, not a story I tell in mixed company`
`08:01.19`	`Adys`	`Cairenn: I'm pretty sure its in the purl logs :P`
`08:01.25`	`Shadowed`	`er`
`08:01.26`	`Shadowed`	`he`
`08:01.29`	`Shadowed`	`aw`
`08:01.41`	`Cairenn`	`not a chance`
`08:02.00`	`Adys`	`maybe Im thinking about something else`
`08:02.04`	`Adys`	`does it involve the kitchen?`
`08:02.19`	`Cairenn`	`nope`
`08:02.31`	`*** join/#wowuidev Repo (n=supybot@repos.curseforge.net)`
`08:02.45`	`Adys`	`then theres something else just as nasty in the purl logs :P`
`08:03.51`	`Adys`	`when you try to find the first time some specific user talked in this channel you end up stumbling upon a lot of other hilarious stuff`
`08:04.11`	`Shadowed`	`Now you are making me curious`
`08:04.38`	`Adys`	`its back in the wowi ones, have fun browsing :P`
`08:04.57`	`Shadowed`	`that sounds like too much work`
`08:05.05`	`Adys`	`Lazie`
`08:05.06`	`Shadowed`	`back to programming`
`08:05.13`	`Shadowed`	`#wowinterface was like, 3 years ago?`
`08:05.23`	`tem`	`#wowi-lounge`
`08:05.25`	`Adys`	`eh no, wowuidev is pretty recent`
`08:05.32`	`Shadowed`	`er wowi-loungue`
`08:05.36`	`Adys`	`but old enough for you not to remember the old name :P`
`08:05.46`	`Shadowed`	`Why would I remember channel names`
`08:05.49`	`Shadowed`	`auto join handles everything`
`08:05.49`	`Jerub`	`hm, wow just locked up`
`08:05.50`	`tem`	`also don't forget ##ace`
`08:06.01`	`Adys`	`and to misspell it after being corrected.`
`08:06.04`	`Shadowed`	`it was about a year and a half ago`
`08:06.15`	`tem`	`channels sort of lose their fun when they grow bigger than 2-3 dozen people`
`08:06.26`	`Cairenn`	`winks at tem`
`08:06.38`	`Adys`	`i dunno about that`
`08:06.55`	`Adys`	`wowilounge was like what? usually 60-70 people in it`
`08:07.10`	`Adys`	`twice the size today, certainly not twice the amount of people talkin`
`08:07.14`	`tem`	`well it started with like 10`
`08:07.17`	`tem`	`and it was _awesome_`
`08:07.30`	`Adys`	`I uh`
`08:07.34`	`Shadowed`	`tem is so elitist`
`08:07.39`	`Cairenn`	`doesn't get drunk in here`
`08:07.39`	`tem`	`yes`
`08:07.39`	`Adys`	`just, wow, context`
`08:07.40`	`tem`	`yes I am`
`08:07.42`	`Cairenn`	`not any more`
`08:08.00`	`Adys`	`very, very nasty context here.`
`08:08.01`	`tem`	`I haven't gotten drunk in a long time`
`08:08.05`	`tem`	`I should really fix that`
`08:08.16`	`tem`	`tonight would have been a good time to do it too`
`08:08.18`	`tem`	`ah well`
`08:08.27`	`Adys`	`too late`
`08:08.31`	`Adys`	`now you gotta wait for next year`
`08:08.46`	`tem`	`oh damn`
`08:08.48`	`Shadowed`	`Or just get really drunk and pretend it's still not 12 AM`
`08:09.01`	`tem`	`I just remembered that I got back on to look something up`
`08:09.07`	`tem`	`and now I can't tell you what that was`
`08:09.55`	`Cruciformer`	`happy new year everyone`
`08:10.03`	`Cairenn`	`Happy New Year Cruciformer`
`08:10.05`	`Adys`	`Happy new year Cf`
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`08:15.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`ive lost count of how many damn M$ points ive spent over the holidays on xbox live`
`08:16.57`	`PProvost`	`lol`
`08:16.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`i think im about to purchase my forth arcade game before morning and maybe a fifth before monday`
`08:17.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`bastards finally started offering good deal of the weeks again too`
`08:17.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`also bought both borderlands dlc's`
`08:18.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`luckly i managed to not purchase the entire fallout3 dlc when it was all 50% off`
`08:21.02`	`Cruciformer`	`anyone here on windows and use bitdefender as their av/firewall?`
`08:22.34`	`Adys`	`Wtf`
`08:22.44`	`Cruciformer`	`coz it seems to be breaking subversion`
`08:22.45`	`Adys`	`vim gets symlinked to /usr/bin/view ?!`
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`08:23.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes, legacy stuff`
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`08:23.02`	`Cruciformer`	`adys: its usually the other way around but yes`
`08:23.15`	`Adys`	`terrible`
`08:23.19`	`Cruciformer`	`view is basically vi in read-only mode`
`08:23.55`	`Adys`	`because less wasn't good enough`
`08:24.00`	`Cruciformer`	`ex and ed are also usually linked to vi on svr4/5 systems, dunno about linux`
`08:24.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`ex and editor`
`08:24.42`	`Cruciformer`	`view is an entirely different beast than less, for very different purposes.`
`08:25.09`	`Adys`	`twas a joke`
`08:25.18`	`Cruciformer`	`view is a read-only editor (with all that entails, like folding, even deleting stuff altho u cant save it) ... less is just a pager, more traditionally used as a filter than typing "less FILENAME"`
`08:25.22`	`Cruciformer`	`ah`
`08:25.50`	`Cruciformer`	`I absolutely <3 less`
`08:26.22`	`Adys`	`there we go, got myself blps opening in eog :)`
`08:26.28`	`Cruciformer`	`also every now and then I find myself prefering pg if a file has weird escape sequences in it that I want displayed.`
`08:26.48`	`Adys`	`I just found something out`
`08:27.00`	`Adys`	`Why the fuck should I bother with plugins in 10000 apps`
`08:27.01`	`Cruciformer`	`wossat?`
`08:27.17`	`Adys`	`when I can just create a backend to convert every single shit to png and open whatever app i want`
`08:29.57`	`Cruciformer`	`the NetPBM tools are your friend. convert from absolutely everything to everything else, with more control than imagemagick`
`08:29.59`	`Adys`	`I dream, I do dream of the day, maybe one day, there will be an unified interface for images`
`08:30.09`	`Adys`	`does it do blp?`
`08:30.22`	`Cruciformer`	`lemme check Im pretty sure it does`
`08:31.30`	`Cruciformer`	`ok the standard installation doesnt but there is that blp2png thingy`
`08:31.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`gstreamer`
`08:31.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`probably works for images too`
`08:31.50`	`Cruciformer`	`netpbm is a massive slew of small programs, so adding blp2png would be just another filter`
`08:32.24`	`DWSR`	`Arrowmaster: It does.`
`08:32.32`	`Adys`	`i dont like it`
`08:32.57`	`Adys`	`here is to just wanting a backend`
`08:33.08`	`Adys`	`with very separate plugins and decoders`
`08:33.18`	`DWSR`	`Adys: Do you also run Linux?`
`08:33.22`	`Adys`	`sure why not`
`08:33.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`gstreamer is a backend`
`08:33.40`	`DWSR`	`because gstreamer's pretty close to exactly what you're after`
`08:33.41`	`Adys`	`not talking about gstreamer`
`08:34.28`	`Adys`	`also erm`
`08:34.31`	`Shirik`	`Fisker, I eat your 4chan buddies for breakfast`
`08:34.43`	`Adys`	`gstreamer is very much audio/video oriented`
`08:34.51`	`Adys`	`its silly to use it for images`
`08:35.29`	`Cruciformer`	`almost as silly as hopig for a universal image format :)`
`08:35.36`	`Cruciformer`	`*hoping`
`08:35.38`	`Adys`	`i didnt say universal image format`
`08:35.42`	`Adys`	`i said universal image backend`
`08:35.59`	`Cruciformer`	`ah true, you did.`
`08:36.38`	`Adys`	`you plug in your compiled codec`
`08:36.40`	`Adys`	`and wow, it works`
`08:36.49`	`Wobin`	`ooh`
`08:36.50`	`Adys`	`i can open this stuff in gimp, zomg`
`08:36.55`	`Adys`	`I can open it in every damn app`
`08:36.56`	`Wobin`	`http://notalwaysright.com/the-wedding-veil-of-secrecy/3643`
`08:37.07`	`Wobin`	`happy new year folks, btw`
`08:37.17`	`Wobin`	`may 2010 pass a little slower than 2009 did`
`08:37.38`	`Cruciformer`	`Happy new year to you too wobin`
`08:37.45`	`Adys`	`happy new year wobby`
`08:38.00`	`Cruciformer`	`so anyone have any advice on svn client on windows with bitdefender?`
`08:38.14`	`Cruciformer`	`even putting bitdefender into "game mode" doesn't help.`
`08:38.22`	`Adys`	`try removing it.`
`08:38.35`	`Cruciformer`	`not really an option, I need an av/firewall`
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`08:40.01`	`Adys`	`anyone good with dxt1?`
`08:40.14`	`Adys`	`or any image compression algorith`
`08:40.15`	`Adys`	`m`
`08:41.20`	`Adys`	`oh`
`08:41.22`	`Adys`	`OH`
`08:41.22`	`Adys`	`woot.`
`08:41.25`	`Adys`	`fixedit.`
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`08:47.41`	`Pytlask`	`Happy New Year everyone!`
`08:47.47`	`Adys`	`happy new year`
`08:50.05`	`Wobin`	`oh god`
`08:50.06`	`Wobin`	`http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/522276`
`08:50.09`	`Wobin`	`this is tough ><`
`08:50.42`	`Wobin`	`hhehe "`
`08:50.42`	`Wobin`	`this game goes slow and makes no since i really dont like it and made me most angry"`
`08:50.48`	`Wobin`	`failcomment =P`
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`09:17.30`	`DJJeff`	`happy 2010`
`09:18.11`	`Cairenn`	`Happy New Year Pytlask, DJJeff`
`09:18.15`	`Shirik`	`night all`
`09:18.38`	`Cairenn`	`night Shirik`
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`09:31.07`	`Adys`	`Gnite`
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`09:47.45`	`batrick`	`wo lag is makiung me sad panda`
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`09:53.50`	`zenzelezz`	`so far I'm disappointed with the new year... I still haven't seen flying cars, time travel, or signs of sentient life elsewhere`
`09:54.37`	`Antiarc`	`Is there doc on the \|T(texture path):x:x:x:x\|t syntax somewhere?`
`09:54.48`	`Antiarc`	`Notably, what the four suffix numbers mean?`
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`09:56.55`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Escape_Sequences \o/`
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`10:08.26`	`logistic`	`So, I solved my addons memory problem`
`10:08.37`	`logistic`	`but I have two untraceable bugs : (`
`10:08.50`	`logistic`	`that only appear once in a long while`
`10:08.55`	`logistic`	`and go away quickly`
`10:09.24`	`logistic`	`I think one is a race condition`
`10:09.53`	`logistic`	`the other one I'm not sure about`
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`10:28.03`	`logistic`	`Anyone have an idea why GetInventoryItemLink might sometimes be missing enchant/gem data?`
`10:28.14`	`Antiarc`	`Inspecting?`
`10:28.28`	`logistic`	`Yes, grabbed from both mouseover and target`
`10:28.39`	`Antiarc`	`Lag. Sometimes it takes a bit to come through.`
`10:28.43`	`logistic`	`every once in a while the item will be correct but missing enchants/gems`
`10:29.12`	`logistic`	`ah I suspected a race condition because of it's seemingly random occurence`
`10:29.42`	`logistic`	`I guess there's nothing I can easily do about it for now`
`10:29.59`	`logistic`	`its*`
`10:31.24`	`logistic`	`I need the inspect code to be fast because mouseovers don't last long`
`10:33.33`	`Shadowed`	`The mouseover data is instantly available`
`10:33.40`	`Shadowed`	`er`
`10:33.45`	`Shadowed`	`the enchant data is always instantly available`
`10:33.49`	`Shadowed`	`if you aren't seeing it, you probably are trying to inspect too quickly`
`10:34.05`	`Shadowed`	`gems are delayed and generally come 0.10s-3s+ after NotifyInspect is called`
`10:34.24`	`Shadowed`	`depends on lag, Dalaran it can take 3s+, but generally it's <1s`
`10:36.09`	`logistic`	`Is there any way to just sleep() for a bit or do I have to do the whole OnUpdate thing?`
`10:36.41`	`Antiarc`	`OnUpdate.`
`10:36.55`	`Antiarc`	`IF you're using AceTimer you could use ScheduleTimer`
`10:37.02`	`Antiarc`	`Otherwise you have to manage your own timers via onupdate.`
`10:38.12`	`logistic`	`meh should be easy to write`
`10:38.49`	`Antiarc`	`yeah, it's not hard, just tedious`
`10:40.17`	`logistic`	`I think I'll steal some function names from JavaScript`
`10:43.18`	`logistic`	`now how to make this efficient... hmm`
`10:43.44`	`Fisker`	`why so lazy Antiarc ?`
`10:45.58`	`logistic`	`If I declare a variable as local in a function`
`10:46.40`	`logistic`	`and then refer to it in an closure passed to my OnUpdate timer`
`10:46.59`	`logistic`	`will that variable still be available to my closure?`
`10:47.08`	`Antiarc`	`Yes, closures contain their scope`
`10:47.11`	`logistic`	`and will it be modified by calls to that function in the meantime?`
`10:47.23`	`Antiarc`	`Depends on what kind of value it is`
`10:47.41`	`logistic`	`Actually, I can test this myself`
`10:47.44`	`Antiarc`	`If it's a table, yes, if it's a string/number, no, you got a copy of it. I think.`
`10:47.47`	`Antiarc`	`It's late.`
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`10:50.03`	`logistic`	`http://codepad.org/K3OI6BmT`
`10:50.10`	`logistic`	`doesn't seem to be modified`
`10:50.29`	`logistic`	`and it's a table`
`10:51.15`	`Antiarc`	`Well, you created two copies of the table there`
`10:52.18`	`logistic`	`oh, you mean if the table was defined outside the function`
`10:52.43`	`Antiarc`	`Perhaps you could explain what you're trying to do, and I could help :P`
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`10:52.54`	`logistic`	`I already got it figured out, thanks :P`
`10:52.58`	`Antiarc`	`hehe, okay`
`10:53.09`	`Antiarc`	`Also, ugh, these bits are gonna suck to get working right.`
`10:53.20`	`logistic`	`even found an efficient way to do this, I think. I'll paste it if you're still here when I finish`
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`10:54.47`	`Fisker`	`hits logistic over the head with a table`
`10:55.35`	`Antiarc`	`Uggggghhhhh this is an ugly piece of code.`
`10:56.50`	`logistic`	`what is?`
`10:56.58`	`logistic`	`that code I pasted? I know, I was going for speed`
`10:57.09`	`Antiarc`	`I'm writing a PallyPower replacement, and the bit of code that determines who should receive the next buff is horrific`
`10:57.13`	`logistic`	`(in typing, not running)`
`10:57.30`	`logistic`	`lol`
`10:57.48`	`Antiarc`	`I'm being a Good Programmer by not optimizing early, but this code makes me cringe.`
`11:01.07`	`zenzelezz`	`code you wrote yourself?`
`11:01.10`	`Antiarc`	`yes`
`11:03.19`	`Antiarc`	`115 lines for this one block, though I did factor it out into...two functions and a caching metatable.`
`11:04.25`	`logistic`	`what's faster, pairs or ipairs?`
`11:04.38`	`Antiarc`	`pairs is for associative tables, ipairs is for ordered lists`
`11:04.45`	`logistic`	`yes I know`
`11:04.49`	`logistic`	`But which is faster?`
`11:05.10`	`Antiarc`	`Why does it matter? I mean, you could benchmark it, but they don't have any overlap in proper usage.`
`11:05.20`	`Antiarc`	`(I suspect ipairs is)`
`11:05.49`	`haste`	`logistic: pairs is generally faster`
`11:06.06`	`haste`	`doing for i=1,#tbl is faster than ipairs as well`
`11:06.08`	`logistic`	`well, it is ordered but I assume associative tables are also looped through in order of when you added elements to them so all I care about is that they are gone through in the order they are added`
`11:06.25`	`Antiarc`	`Order is not guaranteed in associative tables, IIRC`
`11:06.29`	`haste`	`next, tbl is faster than both again`
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`11:06.34`	`haste`	`what Antiarc said is true`
`11:06.48`	`logistic`	`sorry, new to lua`
`11:06.58`	`haste`	`sounds you came from PHP or some shit :P`
`11:07.02`	`logistic`	`yeah, I did`
`11:07.04`	`Antiarc`	`No worries. It's kind of a sort point in the language for me, too :P`
`11:07.06`	`Antiarc`	`sore*`
`11:07.13`	`logistic`	`PHP programmer for 4 years`
`11:07.20`	`Antiarc`	`Ruby has utterly spoiled me in regards to how I approach sets of data`
`11:08.46`	`Fisker`	`hey haste`
`11:09.04`	`Fisker`	`what's yours new years resolution?`
`11:09.58`	`haste`	`there are none!`
`11:10.27`	`Fisker`	`i run 1920x1200`
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`11:11.17`	`logistic`	`so, how does this look? http://codepad.org/55TugkgP`
`11:13.39`	`Antiarc`	`That'll leak tables if it's used moderately often, and it'll break on the first event that isn't ready to run yet, even if events inserted later need to run now`
`11:14.06`	`logistic`	`wait what was I thinking`
`11:14.22`	`logistic`	`sorry, wrote that incorrectly that's not what I planned`
`11:16.11`	`Antiarc`	`http://pastey.net/130856`
`11:16.35`	`Antiarc`	`That won't be able to queue the same function more than once at a time, though`
`11:16.59`	`Antiarc`	`If you want that without table leaking, you could just use two ordered tables, one of functions and one of runtimes`
`11:19.12`	`Antiarc`	`http://pastey.net/130857 - there's an untested parallel tables implementation`
`11:21.06`	`logistic`	`thanks`
`11:21.35`	`logistic`	`hmm, I have an idea I'll try`
`11:23.39`	`Fisker`	`lol`
`11:23.47`	`Fisker`	`battered hilt and bag and loot on the first boss in FoS`
`11:23.52`	`Antiarc`	`wow.`
`11:23.56`	`logistic`	`nice`
`11:25.14`	`Fisker`	`and i rolled 88 and didn't win :/`
`11:25.56`	`Torhal`	`Just so you know: Scaled frames really fuck with things if you're using top/bottom in relation to the screen size for creation of a scrollframe.`
`11:26.14`	`Torhal`	`:GetTop() and :GetBottom() report the unscaled values. FTW.`
`11:37.28`	`logistic`	`rewrote it to keep the table ordered on runtime. http://codepad.org/1W1m3clC`
`11:37.51`	`logistic`	`well, not rewrote it, altered it. Sorry`
`11:38.03`	`Fisker`	`ah i hate jackasses ;_;`
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`11:38.20`	`logistic`	`what did I do?`
`11:38.31`	`Fisker`	`someone has several stacks of ink on the AH`
`11:38.33`	`Fisker`	`i need it`
`11:38.35`	`Antiarc`	`On the off chance Fisker is refering to you, ignore him, that's just Fisker :P`
`11:38.46`	`Fisker`	`But there's no BO on it and there's a 24-48 hour timer`
`11:38.47`	`Fisker`	`gg`
`11:39.06`	`logistic`	`I have a terrible cloak`
`11:39.11`	`logistic`	`and I have seen many cloaks drop`
`11:39.17`	`logistic`	`but I never win them`
`11:39.44`	`logistic`	`and so, I continue on with my terrible cloak. At least you can buy a cloak with emblems now`
`11:42.55`	`Wobin`	`Cairenn, http://14.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kvggujg06M1qz6f9yo1_500.jpg`
`11:43.07`	`Cairenn`	`sweet photo`
`11:43.19`	`Cairenn`	`yay for telephoto lenses`
`11:43.44`	`Wobin`	`I'd be so chuffed if I'd've managed to snap that fox =)`
`11:46.40`	`logistic`	`I just learned 2 colloquialisms`
`11:47.30`	`Wobin`	`^^`
`11:49.52`	`ZorbaTHut`	`"snap that fox" sounds like a metaphor for something`
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`11:54.47`	`Wobin`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh06NgPWur4&feature=player_embedded`
`11:54.48`	`Wobin`	`....`
`11:55.05`	`Wobin`	`have we honestly scraped the bottom of the 'natural disaster horror' movie barrel?`
`11:56.31`	`zenzelezz`	`pro tip: if you want someone to craft you a Breastplate of the White Knight, say "LF crafter for Breastplate of the White Knight", not "LF BLACKSMITH"`
`11:57.14`	`Fisker`	`you wouldn't Wobin`
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`11:59.04`	`Fisker`	`btw zenzelezz this is what i do`
`11:59.25`	`Fisker`	`"LF Blacksmith", trade blacksmith the mats, whisper "Breastplate of the White Knight", get told he can't make it, report him for scamming.`
`11:59.38`	`Fisker`	`damn scammers`
`12:01.01`	`zenzelezz`	`lol`
`12:02.34`	`logistic`	`Wobin: that has to be a joke :P`
`12:03.40`	`logistic`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBCzkz3gHb8 fake movie`
`12:04.45`	`Fisker`	`wtf`
`12:04.56`	`logistic`	`omg it's real wobin : (`
`12:05.11`	`Fisker`	`omg`
`12:05.49`	`logistic`	`Fisker: what?`
`12:07.02`	`Fisker`	`if it's real`
`12:07.16`	`Fisker`	`it looks even worse and cheaper than blair witch`
`12:07.39`	`Wobin`	`uhuh =(`
`12:07.47`	`Fisker`	`only thing i could find more boring is if they made a movie about someone being stuck in traffic for 2 hours`
`12:07.54`	`Wobin`	`It'll come =(`
`12:08.05`	`Wobin`	`it'll be called "GRIDLOCK"`
`12:08.37`	`Wobin`	`PS, I'd totally watch a Zelda movie, if only for the soundtrack`
`12:08.50`	`Fisker`	`"Oh no a gridlock!"`
`12:08.59`	`Fisker`	`"Guess i'll have to take out my smartphone and do work on it"`
`12:09.02`	`Fisker`	`2 hours pass`
`12:09.04`	`Fisker`	`credits`
`12:09.32`	`Fisker`	`maybe with a dramatic shot in the middle where the traffic moves a couple of feet`
`12:09.56`	`Torhal`	`You wouldn't use a smartphone at the AH`
`12:09.58`	`Wobin`	`with a shaky hand mounted camera shot of brake lights going off`
`12:11.22`	`Wobin`	`~seen Ackis`
`12:11.24`	`purl`	`ackis is currently on #wowhead (4h 33m 1s) #wowuidev (4h 33m 1s) #arl (4h 33m 1s) #wowace (4h 33m 1s) #curseforge (4h 33m 1s) #wowwiki (4h 33m 1s). Has said a total of 24 messages. Is idling for 4h 13m 53s, last said: 'anyways long funny story about the proposal and how that got fucked up, but methinks I'm old now and I must pass out'.`
`12:12.29`	`logistic`	`The protaganist can be a civil engineer. He predicts the gridlock will happen if they don't increase the red light time on a traffic light. The town governer (villian) wont listen to him because he goes through that traffic light on the way to work.`
`12:12.41`	`logistic`	`this movie sounds awesome`
`12:13.02`	`Wobin`	`http://www.dramabutton.com/`
`12:14.14`	`logistic`	`they can show in slow motion each car moving into position as the gridlock occurs`
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`12:27.53`	`zenzelezz`	`http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/25823`
`12:45.24`	`logistic`	`well that whole timing thing introduced a lot of problems. I'm going to put it in a branch and get back to it later <3 git`
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`12:51.39`	`Fisker`	`you wouldn't`
`12:53.09`	`logistic`	`wouldn't what?`
`12:53.18`	`logistic`	`use git?`
`12:55.29`	`Fisker`	`you simply would not`
`12:57.33`	`ZorbaTHut`	`he would`
`12:57.34`	`ZorbaTHut`	`and so would I`
`13:00.15`	`logistic`	`trolling is a art`
`13:03.19`	`cbreak`	`using git is a great idea`
`13:03.22`	`cbreak`	`can only recommend it`
`13:03.46`	`cbreak`	`well, of course there are situations where git is inappropriate`
`13:03.52`	`cbreak`	`like when your work is worthless`
`13:04.09`	`logistic`	`: O`
`13:05.25`	`logistic`	`I don't use it at first because I know I'm going to rewrite everything anyway. Once things start to get a bit stable I use it`
`13:05.48`	`cbreak`	`I started using it before I had a single line of code`
`13:05.59`	`cbreak`	`(in the first project I used it)`
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`13:11.40`	`Fisker`	`no you wouldn't ZorbaTHut`
`13:12.19`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I would! I am right now.`
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`13:14.01`	`Fisker`	`like you have any proof ZorbaTHut`
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`13:20.41`	`Fisker`	`http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200807/errord/error.aspx.png <-ok do not want`
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`13:21.28`	`zenzelezz`	`lol`
`13:21.43`	`logistic`	`LOL`
`13:23.09`	`Aelobin`	`xD`
`13:24.32`	`Pneumatus`	`there are 22 to chose from`
`13:25.50`	`Pneumatus`	`oh, unique :o`
`13:27.28`	`logistic`	`I can't imagine how that error message was written`
`13:27.58`	`logistic`	`It must have been for debugging or something`
`13:28.18`	`cbreak`	`what else could it do?`
`13:28.25`	`cbreak`	`although, only a 16 digit number`
`13:28.41`	`cbreak`	`can't be very important`
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`13:30.53`	`Pneumatus`	`]`
`13:33.24`	`Wobin`	`}`
`13:33.29`	`haste`	`)`
`13:34.26`	`Fisker`	`>`
`13:35.07`	`Pneumatus`	`»`
`13:38.32`	`logistic`	`?`
`13:40.12`	`haste`	`you broke it :(`
`13:46.09`	`logistic`	`no I didn't`
`13:46.21`	`logistic`	`? is fine`
`13:47.38`	`Fisker`	`slaps haste around a bit with a large trout`
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`14:04.48`	`logistic`	`watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5iKrrhgIs0&feature=popular`
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`14:10.14`	`haste`	`heh, that kid reminds me of the other christian kid who tempted 4chan`
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`14:12.06`	`haste`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-PoejaRh7Y very much related`
`14:12.37`	`Kalroth`	`no homo`
`14:14.07`	`Kraps`	`lol woman who knocks down pope`
`14:15.18`	`Wobin`	`nazzi?`
`14:15.56`	`zenzelezz`	`http://engrishfunny.com/2009/12/31/engrish-christmas-cake/`
`14:16.18`	`zenzelezz`	`speaking of nazis, http://verydemotivational.com/2010/01/01/halt-hammerzeit/`
`14:16.20`	`Kraps`	`they are gonna mess that kid up so bad`
`14:16.38`	`Wobin`	`honestly, they should just ignore him =P`
`14:16.47`	`Wobin`	`but since this is 4chan... home of troll... =P`
`14:17.05`	`Wobin`	`Don't worry, God will protect the kid!`
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`14:20.33`	`Kraps`	`zenzelezz: nice`
`14:21.20`	`Kraps`	`omg http://verydemotivational.com/2009/12/31/japan/`
`14:21.57`	`zenzelezz`	`yeah, I considered that one too :-p`
`14:24.28`	`zenzelezz`	`http://verydemotivational.com/2009/12/15/aww-kitteh/`
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`14:53.57`	`Kraps`	`if i put video and audio files on a disk will it play the audio files in a cd player?`
`14:57.26`	`Fisker`	`that depends on how you do it`
`14:58.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`only possible way is mode2/XA multisession crap, right?`
`14:58.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`so a computer will read the last session on the disc, but cd players will read the first (which is CDA)`
`15:00.26`	`zenzelezz`	`sounds like a lot of trouble just to hide your porn`
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`15:07.39`	`Kraps`	`why the hell does this cd spindle leave the edges of the cds exposed?`
`15:10.09`	`EthanCentaurai`	`how much spellpower do I need to heal the new heroics? I'm sucking harder than a vacuum cleaner at the moment :(`
`15:11.59`	`EthanCentaurai`	`doesn't help when the tank only has 27k HP anyway >.>`
`15:12.34`	`cbreak`	`I have around 3.5k as mage`
`15:12.39`	`cbreak`	`so probably similar for healers?`
`15:12.44`	`haste`	`haha, no :P`
`15:13.01`	`haste`	`I healed it fine with 2800SP as disc`
`15:13.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`EthanCentaurai: sounds more like your tank's small hp pool is the problem (or his lack of avoidance, if you can extrapolate that from his HP)`
`15:13.20`	`Wobin`	`I have 2.3`
`15:13.28`	`foxlit`	`27k tanks are fine for old heroics.`
`15:13.29`	`Wobin`	`and it's about alright`
`15:13.32`	`foxlit`	`Overkill, even.`
`15:13.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`foxlit: that's why he said "new heroics"`
`15:13.51`	`Wobin`	`for the new heroics, 35k plus for tanks is nce`
`15:13.52`	`Wobin`	`nice`
`15:14.00`	`foxlit`	`Gnarfoz: reading is overrated :)`
`15:14.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`foxlit: I concur`
`15:14.18`	`Wobin`	`at least for the initial waves in HoR, make sure you drink in between the waves when you can`
`15:14.32`	`Wobin`	`(and don't expose yourself when doing that or they'll oneshot you while you're sitting)`
`15:14.57`	`Wobin`	`if the tank is short on max health, have them tank in one of the alcoves`
`15:15.15`	`foxlit`	`/hate alcoves.`
`15:15.16`	`Wobin`	`I have no issues healing on FoS and PoS`
`15:15.22`	`Wobin`	`except maybe the last boss in PoS`
`15:15.36`	`Wobin`	`if the tank doesn't kite the boss through the patches`
`15:15.42`	`Wobin`	`then it can get tough`
`15:15.46`	`Kraps`	`can you play audio dvds in cd players?`
`15:15.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`Kraps: no`
`15:16.01`	`Wobin`	`Kraps, only if the cd player can interpret them`
`15:16.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`the other way around, tho, usually`
`15:16.09`	`EthanCentaurai`	`FoS was fine, except I needed a mana break after every fight, PoS was a PoS, and HoR was just impossible :(`
`15:16.13`	`Gnarfoz`	`Wobin: it'd be a dvd player then :p`
`15:16.19`	`Wobin`	`Gnarfoz, truedat`
`15:16.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`they use different wavelenghts etc`
`15:16.35`	`Wobin`	`EthanCentaurai, how much sp do you have?`
`15:16.43`	`EthanCentaurai`	`2200 buffed`
`15:16.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`also, what class are you :>`
`15:16.48`	`Wobin`	`class?`
`15:16.49`	`EthanCentaurai`	`Holy Priest`
`15:17.05`	`cbreak`	`I think CDs use infrared lasers`
`15:17.06`	`Wobin`	`hm, I haven't played holy in too long to make suggestions =(`
`15:17.09`	`cbreak`	`DVDs use visible red`
`15:17.40`	`Wobin`	`EthanCentaurai, which heroic are you trying?`
`15:17.44`	`EthanCentaurai`	`on the plus side I have a new staff to get enchanted :)`
`15:17.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`cbreak: 780nm vs. 650nm`
`15:17.47`	`EthanCentaurai`	`heroic PoS`
`15:17.59`	`Wobin`	`which bits are giving you trouble?`
`15:18.06`	`EthanCentaurai`	`Garfrost >.>`
`15:18.21`	`Wobin`	`is everyone hiding behind the rocks?`
`15:18.26`	`Wobin`	`(when they need to)`
`15:18.29`	`EthanCentaurai`	`yes`
`15:18.38`	`EthanCentaurai`	`tank doesn't`
`15:18.47`	`Wobin`	`tank can when he runs for the new weapon`
`15:19.06`	`EthanCentaurai`	`tbh I was too busy healing to notice ;P`
`15:21.11`	`EthanCentaurai`	`everyone's ragequit now, blaming me >.>`
`15:21.56`	`ZorbaTHut`	`people ragequit for the most hilarious stuff`
`15:22.02`	`EthanCentaurai`	`meh, what do I care? I'll just enchant my new stuff and try again`
`15:22.08`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I had someone ragequit because we kicked a guy who'd disconnected after the first pull`
`15:22.26`	`ZorbaTHut`	`he called us all loot ninjas and left the party.`
`15:22.44`	`EthanCentaurai`	`lol wtf`
`15:23.02`	`ZorbaTHut`	`we were confused as well.`
`15:23.16`	`EthanCentaurai`	`I think they do it because they're just little kids pretending to be hard :S`
`15:23.33`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there. He might've just been an idiot.`
`15:24.13`	`EthanCentaurai`	`true`
`15:25.13`	`Fisker`	`so ZorbaTHut`
`15:25.16`	`Fisker`	`where's my damn nexus one?`
`15:25.37`	`ZorbaTHut`	`your nexus idiot? or are you referring to something else?`
`15:26.35`	`Fisker`	`http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/eb/archive/00504/No_name_504855m.jpg <-that's not how you cut down trees`
`15:29.03`	`Wobin`	`a guild named <Post Op Faction Change>`
`15:29.04`	`Wobin`	`><`
`15:37.10`	`Fisker`	`but Wobin`
`15:37.14`	`Fisker`	`i want a nexus one`
`15:37.23`	`Wobin`	`Santa didn't give you one?`
`15:37.30`	`Wobin`	`You might have to try being -good- this year then`
`15:37.56`	`Fisker`	`i was good last year as well :(`
`15:37.57`	`Wobin`	`(that was a joke, haha, fat chance =))`
`15:39.44`	`Fisker`	`you're a tall one`
`15:39.46`	`Fisker`	`and a mean one`
`15:39.48`	`Fisker`	`and a jerk :(`
`15:41.20`	`Fisker`	`and a bad person!`
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`15:50.23`	`Kraps`	`doh a deer`
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`15:57.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6269 < ha-ha`
`15:57.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`foresight etc`
`16:01.18`	`Fisker`	`lol`
`16:14.01`	`Polarina`	`lol`
`16:15.04`	`Fisker`	`lol`
`16:15.30`	`Polarina`	`Ok, what the hell? I got a mail from CurseForge forums, wishing my happy birthday. First of all, that's spam, second of all, it's not my birthday.`
`16:16.12`	`Fisker`	`what the hell?`
`16:16.14`	`Fisker`	`I didn't get one :(`
`16:18.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`me neither`
`16:18.36`	`jnwhiteh`	`and my birthday was 2 weeks ago!`
`16:21.27`	`Polarina`	`My birthday was ten months ago.`
`16:23.23`	`Fisker`	`btw jnwhiteh`
`16:23.26`	`Fisker`	`where's my nexus one?`
`16:23.33`	`haste`	`up your ass`
`16:23.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`so, last night, my friend and I decide to geek it up and watch star trek: first contact`
`16:23.46`	`Fisker`	`no haste`
`16:23.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`clock hits midnight, date changes to 2010`
`16:23.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`first thing we hear`
`16:23.52`	`Fisker`	`your dick isn't a phone`
`16:23.52`	`Fisker`	`duh`
`16:23.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"Live long, and prosper"`
`16:24.27`	`ZorbaTHut`	`scythe, now that's a nice omen :)`
`16:24.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`incredibly`
`16:24.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Couldn't have timed that any better if we tried`
`16:24.41`	`Fisker`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGt_4hRGUnQ&feature=featured <-how do you pass a year in 59 seconds?`
`16:24.59`	`jnwhiteh`	`Fisker: your nexus one is next to mine!`
`16:25.21`	`Fisker`	`you got one? :(`
`16:25.25`	`jnwhiteh`	`I didn't say that!`
`16:25.45`	`Fisker`	`but i want one`
`16:27.38`	`jnwhiteh`	`well, yours is right next to mine`
`16:27.40`	`jnwhiteh`	`I promise!`
`16:29.03`	`Fisker`	`ok`
`16:29.16`	`Fisker`	`how will you know for sure though?`
`16:30.02`	`jnwhiteh`	`because I gave blowjobs to arrange it.`
`16:30.06`	`DWSR`	`lol`
`16:30.11`	`DWSR`	`Morning everyone.`
`16:30.19`	`DWSR`	`Watchin' me some Bourne Supremacy.`
`16:31.42`	`DWSR`	`How's the world of Warcraft?`
`16:34.51`	`Polarina`	`DWSR: Experiencing the usual y2k10 bug.`
`16:35.15`	`DWSR`	`lol`
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`16:35.31`	`Polarina`	`And stop PM-ing me that random crap.`
`16:35.35`	`Fisker`	`what if i'm not getting one then jnwhiteh ?`
`16:36.01`	`Kraps`	`trust the dev team to use a meme :D`
`16:36.33`	`jnwhiteh`	`when you get one, it'll be one that was next to mine, in the factory!`
`16:36.36`	`jnwhiteh`	`so there's nothing to worry about!`
`16:36.42`	`Kraps`	`i got my perky pug, so i can pug while i pug`
`16:36.45`	`Fisker`	`are you getting one jnwhiteh ?`
`16:36.52`	`jnwhiteh`	`eventually`
`16:37.10`	`Fisker`	`not a launch i guess?`
`16:37.12`	`Polarina`	`Kraps: :D`
`16:37.29`	`DWSR`	`Polarina: Sorry, forgot I was still set to away.`
`16:38.36`	`jnwhiteh`	`Fisker: I dont have the money`
`16:38.39`	`jnwhiteh`	`well I will`
`16:38.41`	`jnwhiteh`	`but I can't justify it.`
`16:39.37`	`Fisker`	`i can do that for you`
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`16:42.29`	`jnwhiteh`	`I have an HTC Hero`
`16:42.40`	`jnwhiteh`	`and when I'm not running Sense UI, it's more than fast enogh`
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`16:44.02`	`Fisker`	`you running 2.x btw?`
`16:44.17`	`jnwhiteh`	`yeah, I maintain the AOSP-eclair build for hero`
`16:45.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/`
`16:45.25`	`Fisker`	`aww`
`16:45.36`	`Fisker`	`then i can't be like "lolitrollu"`
`16:45.52`	`Fisker`	`wonder how long it'll take them to ship it`
`17:01.33`	`Fisker`	`slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout`
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`17:11.29`	`Kraps`	`http://verydemotivational.com/2009/12/20/yes-i-am/`
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`17:44.05`	`DWSR`	`http://verydemotivational.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/129033145036783122.jpg`
`17:49.44`	`Polarina`	`Auctioneer recommends "Mill this item" for Kingsblood. What's milling?`
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`17:52.16`	`DWSR`	`How scribs make ink.`
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`17:52.34`	`DWSR`	`Milling is to herbs as smelting is to mining.`
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`17:54.15`	`Jrhartley`	`Happy new year, everyboay. :)`
`17:54.15`	`Polarina`	`This Wine version (1.1.33) has its advantage. I can hold down the space bar to jump repeatedly. :P`
`17:55.44`	`Jrhartley`	`I'm fairly new to addon development. In fact, I started only yesterday. I'd like to know how I can tell when a quest has been completed - i.e when a user clicks the "Complete Quest" button. Is there any simple way to do this?`
`17:56.24`	`DWSR`	`http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api`
`17:57.27`	`Jrhartley`	`Thanks. I've looked through that, but still can't find anything obvious. I was looking at the QUEST_COMPLETE and QUEST_FINISHED events, but apparently, neither do what I need.`
`17:58.01`	`DWSR`	`What are you trying to do, exactly?`
`17:58.57`	`Jrhartley`	`OK, I simply want to track quests that have been completed, which I've done using QueryQuestsCompleted, but now I'd like to also update that list whenever any single quest is completed.`
`17:59.17`	`Fisker`	`Polarina what character and realm?`
`17:59.25`	`Jrhartley`	`The file will be uploadable to my Web site, so users can see quest suggestions for repuation quests they haven't yet done.`
`17:59.52`	`Jrhartley`	`Realm: Azuremyst. Name: Jrhartley.`
`18:00.06`	`Fisker`	`i'm not sure you are Polarina`
`18:00.08`	`Jrhartley`	`But this addon is aimed at my guild members.`
`18:00.36`	`Jrhartley`	`Oops, sorry Fisker lol. I misread your question.`
`18:01.18`	`DWSR`	`Jrhartley: Compare the quest log before and after?`
`18:01.21`	`DWSR`	`Or use QUEST_PROGRESS?`
`18:01.25`	`Fisker`	`slaps Polarina around a bit with a large trout`
`18:01.53`	`Jrhartley`	`That's what I thought I'd need to do. I just needed to be sure there wasn't a simpler way to do it that I was overlooking. :)`
`18:02.00`	`DWSR`	`Nope, don't think so.`
`18:02.54`	`Jrhartley`	`However, I'm still not entirely sure what should trigger the checking of the log. Sorry... :(`
`18:03.13`	`Jrhartley`	`Isn't QUEST_PROGRESS for when a user is reading the quest log?`
`18:05.01`	`Jrhartley`	`One other thing that just came to mind too, is how to tell whether the quest was actually completed, or was abandoned.`
`18:05.18`	`Jrhartley`	`Simply comparing the log before and after might not help.`
`18:05.23`	`DWSR`	`Jrhartley: You can hook the QuestLog's OnShow.`
`18:07.12`	`Jrhartley`	`I'm not quite sure how that would work, but I will look into it straight away. Thank you for your help. :)`
`18:13.58`	`Antiarc`	`jnwhiteh: Are you still in Phoenix?`
`18:14.18`	`Jrhartley`	`Hmmm. I'm still a bit confused, since that method would require the log to be opened, and still doesn't tell me whether a quest has been completed or abandoned.`
`18:14.49`	`Jrhartley`	`Not to worry, though. I will figure it out. I just wanted to be sure that I wasn't missing some event or something.`
`18:15.07`	`Jrhartley`	`I'll go get EveryQuest and pick the code to pieces. :D`
`18:16.15`	`Jrhartley`	`Thanks a lot everyone, and Happy Birthday Ackis. :)`
`18:19.21`	`Torhal`	`Polarina: You're going to find that walking with the keyboard can be annoying, I made a shell script that runs "xset r off" before running WoW to turn off the key repeat.`
`18:19.38`	`jnwhiteh`	`Antiarc: yea, until Tuesday`
`18:19.56`	`jnwhiteh`	`was gonna see if you wanted to get togeter tonigt or tomorrow?`
`18:20.05`	`jnwhiteh`	`have to check with the family and see what their plans are tho`
`18:22.50`	`Antiarc`	`I think the wife has tonight planned out, but I think tomorrow is free`
`18:24.25`	`jnwhiteh`	`alright woudl you be able to meet he halfway between chandler and surprise? =)`
`18:24.35`	`jnwhiteh`	`I've been trying to find kergot, but haven't run into him yet.`
`18:28.07`	`Ginji`	`When can I expect my cooking tokens to be useful again?`
`18:29.51`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah, I should be able to. I'm pretty mobile!`
`18:29.59`	`Antiarc`	`Also, bah, I'd forgotten you were all the way out there :P`
`18:30.42`	`industrial`	`so while its still 1 jan`
`18:30.50`	`industrial`	`WHERES MY FLYING CAR NOW HUH?`
`18:31.06`	`industrial`	`kicks the oil industry`
`18:31.31`	`zenzelezz`	`I asked that very thing this morning`
`18:31.48`	`industrial`	`highfives`
`18:32.11`	`jnwhiteh`	`Antiarc: yeah, that's why we can meet halfway =)`
`18:32.18`	`jnwhiteh`	`I shoudl have GPS and a car, so we'll figure something out`
`18:32.23`	`Antiarc`	`Excellent.`
`18:32.26`	`jnwhiteh`	`I'll take to my fam and then text you with a good time =)`
`18:34.09`	`Fisker`	`jnwhiteh`
`18:34.14`	`Fisker`	`my name is james tiberius kirk`
`18:34.42`	`jnwhiteh`	`k`
`18:34.49`	`Fisker`	`just kidding`
`18:34.51`	`jnwhiteh`	`my is "penisis maximus"`
`18:34.58`	`Fisker`	`awesome`
`18:34.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`18:35.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Fisker just got 1'upped`
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`19:06.39`	`Adys`	`http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16585-gallery-the-next-generation-of-mirrors.html`
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`19:11.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`ok thats fucking awesome`
`19:15.16`	`Fisker`	`btw`
`19:15.20`	`Fisker`	`Dead Space is a horrible game`
`19:15.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`really?`
`19:15.42`	`Fisker`	`After a few minutes i got motion sickness :(`
`19:15.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I was debating picking it up`
`19:15.47`	`Fisker`	`the controls are horrible`
`19:16.03`	`Fisker`	`atleast for PC`
`19:18.06`	`Polarina`	`Torhal: It's not that annoying at all.`
`19:18.24`	`Polarina`	`Torhal: Just a weird animation bug, that's fixes if I move the character a little with A or D.`
`19:18.45`	`Polarina`	`Fisker: Pong!`
`19:19.09`	`Fisker`	`Polarina`
`19:19.14`	`Polarina`	`Fisker: Yes?`
`19:19.19`	`Fisker`	`no u?`
`19:19.20`	`Torhal`	`Polarina: I do have to wonder what version of Wine you were using before, since I've been using that script for over a year...:D`
`19:21.07`	`Polarina`	`Torhal: What script?`
`19:21.35`	`Polarina`	`Fisker: What were you asking?`
`19:21.48`	`Fisker`	`what character and realm you were playing`
`19:21.53`	`Polarina`	`Torhal: I used 1.1.13 or something before, don't remember.`
`19:22.00`	`Polarina`	`Fisker: Akerna on Scarshield Legion.`
`19:22.08`	`Fisker`	`ok`
`19:22.09`	`Fisker`	`reported`
`19:22.15`	`Fisker`	`btw US or EU?`
`19:22.23`	`Polarina`	`Fisker: Reported for what?`
`19:22.28`	`Polarina`	`Fisker: Same as you. ;)`
`19:22.37`	`Fisker`	`holding down jump for jump = automation omg`
`19:23.46`	`Polarina`	`lol`
`19:25.22`	`Polarina`	`I doubt they'll actually do something about that anyway.`
`19:30.30`	`Fisker`	`Likely they can't detect it so :(`
`19:31.23`	`Dagmar`	`They can detect pretty much anything`
`19:31.47`	`Fisker`	`naw`
`19:32.26`	`Dagmar`	`Give them enough time and there'll be a narcoleptic-assistance option in the interface controls, just like there's one for the colorblind`
`19:32.39`	`Dagmar`	`Of course, that'll piss off a lot of paladins.`
`19:32.54`	`Dagmar`	`It'll hook "/rw FACE ON KEYBOARD DETECTED: WAKE UP!"`
`19:33.03`	`Dagmar`	`...and DKs`
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`19:39.40`	`Vilkku`	`Shadowed, simple question, I was lazy: how do you get target cast bars with SUF?`
`19:44.14`	`Torhal`	`Polarina: I have a shell script that does "xset r off" before starting WoW, then "xset r on" after to control the key repeat`
`19:44.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`Torhal: that X bug still hasnt been fixed?`
`19:44.49`	`Torhal`	`Arrowmaster: Nope.`
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`20:00.21`	`zenzelezz`	`why did no-one inform me YouTube is full of videos of girls jiggling and shaking to various Wii games? I feel violated`
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`20:07.51`	`Kraps`	`ugh HoS`
`20:08.18`	`zenzelezz`	`cheer up, it could have been Oculus`
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`20:09.43`	`Kraps`	`heh`
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`20:10.36`	`Adys`	`foxlit: ping`
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`20:10.45`	`foxlit`	`Adys: pong`
`20:11.02`	`Adys`	`the only difference between dxt3 and dxt5 is alpha, correct?`
`20:11.33`	`foxlit`	`That seems correct, yes.`
`20:12.14`	`Adys`	`I ported my dxt5 code to dxt3, but Im getting alpha glitches.. like streams of pixels, Ill upload in a sec`
`20:12.18`	`Adys`	`http://dpaste.com/139921/ this is what Im using`
`20:12.37`	`Adys`	`colors are fine so it really is between lines 4 and 26`
`20:13.39`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/tmpVfBc3s.png`
`20:15.54`	`zenzelezz`	`http://www.fsdeveloper.com/wiki/index.php?title=DXT_compression_explained`
`20:16.19`	`zenzelezz`	`you probably already saw it, but if not, it seems to explain things somewhat simple`
`20:16.25`	`foxlit`	`It looks to me like there's still DXT5's alpha interpolation code in there.`
`20:16.57`	`Adys`	`probably, as i said i ported it from dxt5 and saw it worked most of the time`
`20:17.03`	`foxlit`	`[18-26]`
`20:17.52`	`foxlit`	`In DXT3, you get 4 bits of alpha data per pixel, no interpolation is needed.`
`20:18.03`	`Adys`	`hm`
`20:18.48`	`foxlit`	`So the first 64 bits of the DXT block are basically alpha data.`
`20:18.49`	`Adys`	`hurray :)`
`20:19.18`	`Adys`	`i think I support all the blp formats now`
`20:19.33`	`Adys`	`dxt1{a}, dxt3, dxt5 and raw`
`20:19.41`	`Adys`	`i dont actually support blp1`
`20:23.06`	`Adys`	`if anyone is interested in the code for all this stuff, https://launchpad.net/~adys/+junk/python-image`
`20:23.20`	`Adys`	`also supports ftex and dds`
`20:26.16`	`zenzelezz`	`cool`
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`20:32.27`	`DWSR`	`Is wowprogramming.com run on Drupal?`
`20:32.33`	`cogwheel`	`sputnik`
`20:32.40`	`Adys`	`sputnik, lua framework`
`20:32.54`	`DWSR`	`mk thanks`
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`20:42.24`	`zenzelezz`	`tickles peppy`
`20:43.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Happy new year, zenzelezz.`
`20:43.20`	`zenzelezz`	`you too!`
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`20:47.08`	`Fisker`	`tackles Lopeppeppy`
`20:47.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Well good morning to you too, Fisker!`
`20:47.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Nice to see you so happy.`
`20:48.20`	`Guest18603`	`Hi there. I found a function in aSettings from Alza, that autogreeded on greens. I was wondering if there is a way to autodis if disenchant is available and autogreed if it is not... can somebody tell me how this could work? ^.^`
`20:49.42`	`Dagmar`	`passloot can do it`
`20:51.28`	`Guest18603`	`is there a way to do it more lightweight? :x`
`20:55.01`	`Adys`	`isnt something like this possible in bash?`
`20:55.02`	`Adys`	`adys@azura:~/eoc-res/models$ mv ( -x find \| grep png$ ) TEXTURES/`
`20:55.02`	`Adys`	bash: syntax error near unexpected token `-x'
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`20:57.07`	`Polarina`	`Torhal: It's fine and not going to suit my need anyway, since I do lots of work anyway while the World of Warcraft client is running.`
`20:57.22`	`Polarina`	`Torhal: Thanks anyway. :)`
`20:58.08`	`Polarina`	`What was the keyboard combination so I can move the mouse cursor with the numpad?`
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`20:59.10`	`DWSR`	`err?`
`20:59.13`	`DWSR`	`There isn't one?`
`20:59.18`	`Polarina`	`There is.`
`20:59.24`	`Polarina`	`I just don't remember what it was.`
`20:59.26`	`DWSR`	`Do you mean so that you can look around with the numpad?`
`20:59.33`	`Polarina`	`No, move the mouse cursor.`
`20:59.38`	`Polarina`	`It's a feature in X11.`
`20:59.57`	`DWSR`	`OH`
`21:00.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Also a feature in windows`
`21:00.12`	`DWSR`	`thought you were talking about in wowclient itself.`
`21:00.17`	`DWSR`	`And SB1 is correct.`
`21:00.28`	`DWSR`	`You can also move the mouse cursor with your voice, but yeah.`
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`21:05.40`	`Adys`	`Left, left, a bit more.. no, back to the right. Cmon, almost there, Go up a bit. No, I said up. Fuck you, GO UP. There. Now, double click. Cmon, double click. Not single click, double click! Come on, faster. Open it!`
`21:06.06`	`Polarina`	`Well, how can I move the mouse with the keyboard then?`
`21:06.29`	`Adys`	`Polarina: tie the keyboard wire to the mouse, and move the keyboard around`
`21:07.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`!g x11 numpad move mouse`
`21:07.08`	`batbot`	`ScytheBlade1: Synergy News <http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/news.html>`
`21:07.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`hrm`
`21:07.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That isn't what pulled up in google :/`
`21:07.35`	`DWSR`	`Adys: Actually, it divides the screen into a grid of 9 squares, then you select a grid and it divides that part of the screen into 9 sections, and so forth until you say click.`
`21:07.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://linux.m2osw.com/x11-keypad-mouse.html`
`21:08.23`	`Vilkku`	`.lastspoke Shadowed`
`21:08.29`	`Vilkku`	`hmm`
`21:08.37`	`Adys`	`~seen Shadowed`
`21:08.38`	`purl`	`shadowed is currently on #wowuidev (21h 56m 41s) #wowace (21h 56m 41s). Has said a total of 122 messages. Is idling for 1h 5s, last said: 'I'm probably not going to add more hot support though'.`
`21:10.53`	`Adys`	`man`
`21:10.57`	`Adys`	`its good to double click blps.`
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`21:22.52`	`Vilkku`	`uuuuuuh`
`21:23.06`	`Vilkku`	`any other good casting bar mods out there other than quartz?`
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`21:27.49`	`cbreak`	`what do you expect?`
`21:28.03`	`cbreak`	`I think XPerl has a bars addon`
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`21:29.50`	`Vilkku`	`well, quartz has some weirdness imo`
`21:30.07`	`Vilkku`	`and it's not properly maintained anymore - not an issue now, but will be later`
`21:30.12`	`Dagmar`	`Works flawlessly for me`
`21:30.24`	`Vilkku`	`I find it hard to set up`
`21:30.37`	`Vilkku`	`for example, you cannot specify the borders for the target cast bar or mirror bars`
`21:30.48`	`Vilkku`	`turns out it takes uses the same one as player`
`21:31.13`	`Dagmar`	`Oh I see. You want it to be able to be reconfigured in every possible way, but you don't want to have to look at a lot of different conrols`
`21:31.21`	`Dagmar`	`Good luck`
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`21:32.28`	`cbreak`	`that sounds like impossible`
`21:32.37`	`cbreak`	`if you want to control a lot, you need lots of controls`
`21:32.39`	`cbreak`	`or a config file :D`
`21:34.23`	`Vilkku`	`Dagmar, the thing that frustrates me the most is that there is no way for me to know of this behavior`
`21:34.34`	`Vilkku`	`I don't mind a lot of different controls`
`21:35.44`	`Dagmar`	`I generally just look at the screen, and then I look at hte configuration dialogs, and then I'm done.`
`21:35.58`	`cbreak`	`The code tells the truth`
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`21:44.16`	`Fisker`	`gentlemen`
`21:45.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`<Dagmar> Works flawlessly for me <-- impossible unless you're using unreleased code :> (stable version doesn't have support for vehicles ;-))`
`21:45.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`or... you don't consider that a flaw, that's also possible ^^`
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`21:53.02`	`Dagmar`	`When I have to deal with a vehicle that has any NEED of a cast bar I might consider giving a damn`
`21:53.15`	`Dagmar`	`So far, I haven't really found one`
`21:53.38`	`Dagmar`	`Even in Occulus the cast bar doesn't really matter. Wait until charges hit 10, then smack the other button. Rinse, repeat`
`21:57.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol sweet`
`21:57.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16896835004`
`21:57.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Go newegg!`
`21:59.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I may vomit.`
`22:00.52`	`Dagmar`	`I blame the fleece farmers for overbreeding this last year`
`22:01.26`	`Dagmar`	`At the rate things are going by spring you're going to be forced to take a pansuit and two snuggies home with you when you get your auto tags renewed`
`22:01.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Stuff that, I'll go illegal before I'll bring a snuggie home.`
`22:02.11`	`Dagmar`	`What kills me is that they're selling them for pets now`
`22:02.33`	`Dagmar`	`You know what'll kill this? When SNL does a skit linking them to the Heaven's Gate peopl`
`22:02.35`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Really makes me vomit. I toss a blanket over my poor shaven shivery cat. I do NOT purchase her a dubious snuggie.`
`22:08.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`has a sudden desire to ship Lopeppeppy a snuggie`
`22:08.27`	`Dagmar`	`Better yet, sneak one into her closet.`
`22:08.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That crosses into breaking laws though`
`22:08.41`	`Dagmar`	`...and then "catch her" with it`
`22:08.52`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Snuggie sutra? giggle`
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`22:10.05`	`Antiarc`	`Is there an event where a player texture is guaranteed to be available?`
`22:10.20`	`Antiarc`	`I'm getting a blank texture with SetPortraitTexture for player when I first log in.`
`22:10.58`	`zenzelezz`	`isn't there a UNIT_PORTAIT_UPDATE or something like that?`
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`22:11.16`	`zenzelezz`	`seems so, with an argument specifying the unit ID`
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`22:11.35`	`Antiarc`	`Perfect.`
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`22:22.13`	`Amarande`	`ahh, here is a good explanation of why I hate vehicle based quests`
`22:22.22`	`Amarande`	`http://www.cracked.com/article/190_5-plot-devices-that-make-good-video-games-suck_p2 #2`
`22:22.43`	`Amarande`	`"One way or the other, the hero must get through a level when fighting the enemy head-on (that is, using the techniques you spent the entire game mastering) is impossible."`
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`22:28.53`	`Antiarc`	`Can anyone think of a WoW spell that has an upwards-pointing arrow as an icon?`
`22:31.40`	`kdtresh`	`shoot?`
`22:31.43`	`kdtresh`	`like wand`
`22:31.51`	`kdtresh`	`not really an arrow, though`
`22:32.14`	`kdtresh`	`renew and heal have hands kinda pointing up`
`22:32.18`	`Fisker`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su3xvFIfZPE&feature=player_embedded <-fail scarecampaign`
`22:32.19`	`kdtresh`	`holy fire`
`22:33.58`	`Antiarc`	`Vehicle exit button with tex coords flipped works.`
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`22:37.27`	`Dagmar`	`Fisker: Dude, that's nothing. You should look at what the BBC aired as a PSA.`
`22:37.51`	`Dagmar`	`R-Rated movies are seldom as graphic`
`22:38.21`	`Fisker`	`hence "fail"`
`22:38.48`	`Fisker`	`why not just use the adjustment arrows Antiarc ?`
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`22:39.19`	`Antiarc`	`http://i.imgur.com/ThGJz.jpg`
`22:39.23`	`Antiarc`	`Works just fine :)`
`22:39.30`	`Antiarc`	`See the green arrow next to the portrait in the upper left.`
`22:40.01`	`Dagmar`	`Dude, I dunno about that. I'm kinda of the opinion that random PSAs shouldn't give people nightmares and phobias: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pubTiDCEVZ8`
`22:40.24`	`Fisker`	`where's that green arrow from?`
`22:40.31`	`Fisker`	`true Dagmar`
`22:41.07`	`Antiarc`	`Interface\Icons\Ability_Vehicle_PlayerLoaded`
`22:41.15`	`Antiarc`	`Except I used texcoords to crop and flip it`
`22:42.19`	`Antiarc`	`http://i.imgur.com/01TwZ.jpg`
`22:42.20`	`Antiarc`	`Tada`
`22:42.41`	`Fisker`	`oh`
`22:42.44`	`Fisker`	`never seen that one`
`22:46.03`	`foxlit`	`"Your tank was destroyed by a spanish pikeman" << qq, civ4.`
`22:46.26`	`Fisker`	`epic pikeman maneuver`
`22:46.35`	`zenzelezz`	`lol`
`22:46.54`	`zenzelezz`	`no-one expects the Spanish inquisition... to have armor-piercing pikes`
`22:47.03`	`Amarande`	`foxlit: the wonders of hit point based systems :)`
`22:47.07`	`Dagmar`	`heh`
`22:47.28`	`Dagmar`	`Well, if hte game were more realistic you could pretty much steamroll everyone else if you got heavy armor first`
`22:47.43`	`Amarande`	`actually, even in D&D where the tank would presumably have hardness, I wouldn't be surprised if it could theoretically happen`
`22:48.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`giggle snark`
`22:49.34`	`Fisker`	`tackles Lopeppeppy`
`22:50.01`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh hi again.`
`22:50.22`	`Adys`	`jnwhiteh, Shirik, you here?`
`22:50.28`	`jnwhiteh`	`I am`
`22:50.55`	`Adys`	`Can I upload the BLP lib on wowinterface? or is it not appropriate?`
`22:51.05`	`jnwhiteh`	`the 'blp' lib?`
`22:51.08`	`Dagmar`	`Hm....`
`22:51.23`	`Dagmar`	`I seem to have alarmed Bank of America by ordering from Newegg and NOT using 2-day air`
`22:51.36`	`Adys`	`jnwhiteh: its a python PIL plugin, with a small convert.py which outputs a png for every sys.argv`
`22:52.18`	`Adys`	`its not really usable as-is unless someone installs python and pil, but its mostly to make the source more available than a launchpad branch`
`22:52.41`	`jnwhiteh`	`Adys: if its source, absolutely!`
`22:52.58`	`Adys`	`kay cool`
`22:53.12`	`Adys`	`any specific category?`
`22:53.20`	`jnwhiteh`	`development tools, probably`
`22:54.26`	`foxlit`	`Fair bet; there are also some binary BLP converters in that category.`
`22:56.31`	`zenzelezz`	`what's PIL in this case?`
`22:56.40`	`Adys`	`python imaging library`
`22:56.41`	`Fisker`	`Programming in LUA`
`22:56.43`	`Fisker`	`:(`
`22:56.45`	`Dagmar`	`Python imaging library`
`22:56.48`	`Adys`	`~fail Fisker`
`22:56.49`	`purl`	`Fisker, you Fail!`
`22:57.01`	`Dagmar`	`It's actually a pretty common thing to find installed`
`22:57.12`	`Dagmar`	`...which should be MORE common for anything that's installing Xorg`
`22:57.25`	`Adys`	`it doesnt come by default on ubuntu`
`22:57.27`	`Adys`	`and certainly not on windows :P`
`22:57.59`	`Dagmar`	`Well, that's because Windows is in denial, and ActiveState isn't really worrying about GUIs much...`
`22:58.26`	`Dagmar`	`...and Ubuntu has a lot of stuff on the fringes that IMHO still needs fleshing out moore`
`22:59.13`	`Dagmar`	`Bringin in the gnome python bindings should IMHO involve PIL being also installed`
`22:59.25`	`zenzelezz`	`pfft, like Gnome has anything to do with graphics`
`22:59.45`	`Dagmar`	`blinkblink`
`23:00.24`	`Dagmar`	`Call me crazy but occasionally canvas objects get used for more than just dressing up marked-up text`
`23:00.56`	`Dagmar`	`PIL also wasn't very large the last time I checked`
`23:01.25`	`Dagmar`	`I'm figuring the most likely reason to avoid just throwing it in would maybe be the number of libs it could potentially fail on`
`23:01.27`	`zenzelezz`	`I was being sarcastic`
`23:01.36`	`Dagmar`	`okay. heh`
`23:02.18`	`zenzelezz`	`looks suspiciously at Fisker`
`23:02.28`	`zenzelezz`	`there's a Físker hunter on my realm o_O`
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`23:04.00`	`Fisker`	`old zenzelezz`
`23:04.02`	`Fisker`	`and it's not me`
`23:04.18`	`zenzelezz`	`that's what you want me to think`
`23:04.22`	`Fisker`	`where's our damn new armory btw`
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`23:05.24`	`zenzelezz`	`new in what way?`
`23:05.34`	`Cide`	`not old`
`23:05.57`	`zenzelezz`	`let me rephrase; what new features/changes? :-p`
`23:07.03`	`Fisker`	`pretty much redesign`
`23:07.31`	`Fisker`	`http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/december/armory.jpg`
`23:07.43`	`Dagmar`	`Just as long as my dwarf ALWAYS has pants on`
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`23:08.12`	`Fisker`	`If i recall correctly the update was dated 1/1/2010`
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`23:09.55`	`Amarande`	`Dagmar: ever have a female dwarf wearing the black mageweave set? :D`
`23:10.18`	`Amarande`	`(and no, I haven't, I've only ever had two Alliance toons make it past level 10, and they were human and draenei :P)`
`23:10.21`	`Dagmar`	`Nope, I can't say that I've even got a female toon`
`23:10.35`	`Dagmar`	`I imagine it bugs in a similar way?`
`23:10.46`	`Amarande`	`lol, wasn't even thinking of bugs`
`23:10.57`	`Amarande`	`I was noting that the black mageweave set makes female characters appear barely clad`
`23:11.03`	`Dagmar`	`Someone's site, and I can't remember who, was bugging and my dwarf appeared with _no_ pants at all as a result`
`23:11.40`	`Dagmar`	`It may have been wowhead's 3d model view or something`
`23:11.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Amarande, that's been the hot ERP outfit for females for a long time, where have you been?`
`23:11.56`	`Dagmar`	`I just remember thinking "dear god dwarves are lumpy"`
`23:12.33`	`Amarande`	`Lopeppeppy: I never had occasion to make the black mageweave set when I was leveling my tailor?`
`23:12.34`	`Dagmar`	`No pants, not even underwear, just pure lumpy dwarf from the knees to the waist`
`23:12.42`	`Amarande`	`although I think Amarelya knows how to make it`
`23:12.46`	`Amarande`	`checks`
`23:14.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You never saw anyone else modeling it? Huh.`
`23:14.43`	`Amarande`	`hmm, let's see if I can remember what I was doing around the levels when black mageweave was current`
`23:15.01`	`Dagmar`	`Probably working your way through a six pack`
`23:15.11`	`Dagmar`	`Doesn't take long to level past them now`
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`23:15.19`	`Fisker`	`RAWR`
`23:15.24`	`Gryphon`	`ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle.`
`23:15.31`	`Fisker`	`huggles Gryphon`
`23:15.36`	`Gryphon`	`huggles Fisker`
`23:15.42`	`Amarande`	`that would explain it ... in the late 30s, I was out in the middle of nowhere called desolace lol`
`23:15.52`	`Amarande`	`because I'm the sort who insists on doing Desolace on virtually every character`
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`23:16.05`	`Amarande`	`as horde, it's a pretty decent zone`
`23:16.17`	`Amarande`	`especially after they started lowering the level you get mounts at`
`23:16.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`without a mount it was a decent zone but a lot of walking`
`23:16.52`	`Amarande`	`I really don't know why people hate a zone that has such well laid out quests ... if you play your cards right you really don't waste too much time backtracking`
`23:17.00`	`Amarande`	`maybe it's suckier as ally`
`23:17.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Desolace has a few good quests, I tended to cherry-pick what I did there. Kodo wrangling and gathering kodo bones, for example, very dead easy.`
`23:18.07`	`Dagmar`	`It's because from the Alliance point of view, it's in the ass end of nowhere`
`23:19.02`	`Amarande`	`yeah, I remember doing it once as ally and I can't remember exactly what it was like`
`23:19.23`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Once you get there and get the flight point, it's okay. But a PITA to get out to.`
`23:19.51`	`Dagmar`	`Yep`
`23:20.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`When I go there, I go because I have the Scarlet Monastery pre-quest. And I do some of the easy desolace quests at the same time. Then I leave, and don't come back.`
`23:20.57`	`Yssaril`	`for cataclysm hopefully they will make the zones either flow better (from one zone to another) or give more quests that basically give you the flightpoint (hey jump on the wyvern and head over there for some bread)`
`23:20.57`	`Fisker`	`oh you don't come back after you're finished there?`
`23:21.08`	`Fisker`	`Does quests give better exp at higher levels or something?`
`23:21.20`	`Dagmar`	`You're looking at a looong run through the Barrens, then Stonetalon Mountains at the very least`
`23:21.37`	`Amarande`	`Dagmar: Just Stonetalon, Ally has STP`
`23:21.40`	`Fisker`	`I wish they could make like all zones accessible as level up material`
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`23:21.57`	`Fisker`	`and by that i mean you go through all zones during leveling`
`23:22.10`	`Dagmar`	`Amarande: Which you have generally _not_ been to yet if you weren't a limp eared night elf`
`23:22.55`	`Dagmar`	`You'll generally be taking a boat to either Theramore or Ratchet`
`23:23.01`	`Amarande`	`Ahh, that would explain why I had an easier time with it on the one Ally toon I hit 40 with`
`23:23.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Fisker, it's so far out of the way for anyone not leveling in Kalimdor that it's not worth coming back, usually.`
`23:23.22`	`Amarande`	`I was gunning from the get-go for a kitty mount, so I was doing every Night Elf quest I could get my grubby draenei hands on`
`23:23.26`	`Dagmar`	`...and if you're actually likely to level in Desolace, the run through Theramore can be a bit painful`
`23:24.13`	`zenzelezz`	`I still have fond memories of my first time to 60`
`23:24.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah. I'd run through Ashenvale for it myself, that's my usual path to it. down the tunnel, catch the FP at Stonetalon, and then go down through to Desolace via the harpies.`
`23:24.37`	`zenzelezz`	`running all over Kalimdor, the odd trip to Eastern Kingdoms`
`23:24.58`	`Amarande`	`I've hardly done anything at all in EK on my hunter`
`23:25.07`	`zenzelezz`	`dying to a single scorpid in Desolace because someone opened the AQ gates and the servers ground to a halt`
`23:25.31`	`Amarande`	`I think the biggest thing I've done there since 20-21 or so was the armorsmithing spec quests`
`23:26.19`	`Amarande`	`you know I was expecting the 91.5 dps ammo to be super expensive`
`23:26.24`	`Amarande`	`it's actually super cheap`
`23:26.32`	`Amarande`	`I've seen 67.5 dps ammo go for more than the new epic ammo :S`
`23:26.51`	`Dagmar`	`Now that you've mentioned it tho....I'm noticing a place northwest of Stonetalon Peak I can't remember a thing about`
`23:26.59`	`Dagmar`	`I may have to go back there this evening`
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`23:28.47`	`Polarina`	`Is it just me or are low/mid-level herbs high-priced and well selling?`
`23:28.58`	`Dagmar`	`They are`
`23:29.04`	`zenzelezz`	`low-mid level anything is selling well`
`23:29.20`	`Dagmar`	`...because the change to the leveling curve basically means you don't get the expected volume of them on your own`
`23:29.33`	`Polarina`	`What change?`
`23:29.40`	`zenzelezz`	`the reduced XP`
`23:29.45`	`Polarina`	`Oh.`
`23:29.48`	`Dagmar`	`Unless you really dawdle, you don't spend X hours in the area picking Y/X herbs per hour`
`23:29.51`	`zenzelezz`	`at least in 30-40 range`
`23:30.02`	`Polarina`	`I see.`
`23:30.05`	`Dagmar`	`You're spending a lot less time there, so people wind up outleveling their tradeskills`
`23:30.10`	`zenzelezz`	`and with the heirlooms giving you more XP too...`
`23:30.10`	`Polarina`	`Better grind and sell some herbs then.`
`23:30.31`	`zenzelezz`	`or ore`
`23:30.36`	`zenzelezz`	`mithril seems popular`
`23:30.43`	`Dagmar`	`It's at least semi functional since so many people bring up alts`
`23:30.46`	`smcn`	`and if you level via LFD you don't get anything :P i was tanking for 6 hours straight on my warrior last night went from 17-24`
`23:30.54`	`Dagmar`	`hahahah`
`23:31.05`	`zenzelezz`	`smcn: wow, that actually works? That's cool`
`23:31.17`	`smcn`	`yup instant queue as a tank`
`23:31.29`	`smcn`	`but i got into a lot of ones that were already in progress :P`
`23:31.35`	`Dagmar`	`Ah`
`23:31.38`	`Dagmar`	`Replacing failtanks I guess`
`23:31.42`	`smcn`	`i suppose`
`23:32.09`	`smcn`	`the bag at the end is cool, but in the range i did it i was always just getting a cloak or belt`
`23:32.17`	`smcn`	`assuming it changes as you level`
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`23:33.09`	`zenzelezz`	`bag at the end?`
`23:33.32`	`smcn`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=51999#contains`
`23:33.35`	`smcn`	`for queueing lfd`
`23:33.39`	`smcn`	`er, random`
`23:33.55`	`smcn`	`yeah i guess at that level you either get a belt or cloak`
`23:34.06`	`smcn`	`i got a belt with str/stam/defense :P`
`23:34.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`how do you stay geared for the dungeons if you are just doing dungeons?`
`23:34.25`	`Amarande`	`zenzelezz: there is frequently an ah shortage of mithril`
`23:34.26`	`zenzelezz`	`ah, didn't know you got a bag like that`
`23:34.29`	`Amarande`	`and then it goes up to like 5g a bar.`
`23:35.02`	`Amarande`	`Arrowmaster: dungeons don't need that much gear`
`23:35.09`	`Dagmar`	`PLus they drop it`
`23:35.11`	`zenzelezz`	`Arrowmaster: in fairness, for the old dungeons I never used any different gear from my leveling gear until I reached the 50+ dungeons`
`23:35.12`	`Amarande`	`hell, I'm healing BC dungeons at 67 with some stuff from the 40s still`
`23:35.15`	`zenzelezz`	`only a shield`
`23:35.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`now that i think about it, i was doing MC with a lvl 40 robe`
`23:35.51`	`smcn`	`well on the aforementioned warrior i have all 3 heirlooms`
`23:36.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`"all 3"?`
`23:36.14`	`smcn`	`and going 17-23 i have a blue in every slot except wrists gloves and 1 ring`
`23:36.27`	`Adys`	`Cairenn\|afk: you know, the upload link should be a big fat yellow button in the topright corner like youtube :P`
`23:36.30`	`smcn`	`oh yeah there's a trinket too huh`
`23:36.36`	`smcn`	`so just 3 heirlooms :P`
`23:36.41`	`smcn`	`chest/weapon/shoulders`
`23:36.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the trinket's not unique either`
`23:36.47`	`smcn`	`hm`
`23:36.49`	`smcn`	`maybe i should get that`
`23:36.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`so you can do chest/weapon/shoulder/trinketx2`
`23:36.51`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`:P`
`23:36.54`	`Amarande`	`actually, it's pretty hard on a healer now to replace the Bad Mojo Mask till late BC`
`23:37.08`	`Dagmar`	`I guess we'll find out how well leveling in the PvP heirlooms works in Cata`
`23:37.10`	`Amarande`	`that +27 spellpower is SICK for its ilvl`
`23:37.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`or if you're a fury war, weaponx2 as well`
`23:37.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`oh, and a bow`
`23:37.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`:P`
`23:37.40`	`Amarande`	`(the mask from zf ... used to be +27 shadow damage I think ... but the spellpower changes make it just broken powerful)`
`23:37.50`	`smcn`	`yeah forgot about ranged weapon`
`23:37.52`	`smcn`	`meh`
`23:37.56`	`smcn`	`i pull with taunt :P`
`23:38.05`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeah, but the bow has stats :P`
`23:38.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the hit on it is NICE`
`23:39.28`	`smcn`	`true plus i already bought it for my hunter which i kind of stopped playing`
`23:39.38`	`Amarande`	`Dagmar: I heard current heirlooms stop scaling at 80`
`23:39.49`	`Amarande`	`so they'll still be level 80 stats at 85`
`23:40.03`	`Dagmar`	`Like I'd want to NOT be trying on and prancing around in NEW GEAR after 80 levels of the same thing`
`23:40.09`	`Dagmar`	`Seriously`
`23:40.23`	`Amarande`	`I still don't do heirlooms`
`23:40.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`they have to reitemize every item in the game, theres a good chance theyll update the heirlooms imho`
`23:40.46`	`Amarande`	`at this point I mostly use crafted gear to level when I can`
`23:40.57`	`Dagmar`	`If they spontaneously combusted at 80 it probably woudln't be a problem if it wouldn't likely mean finishing off a fight with nothing but a bright smile`
`23:40.58`	`zenzelezz`	`I do believe I heard the same Amarande said`
`23:41.07`	`Amarande`	`I actually have a primal mooncloth set gemmed and waiting for use at 70`
`23:41.43`	`Amarande`	`wonders how quickly that's going to get replaced once I step into northrend ...`
`23:41.47`	`Dagmar`	`Either way, the idea of not having to dork with gear for 80 levels is highly attractive`
`23:41.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Arrowmaster: scaling current heirlooms post-80 would mean "outdated" content would be needed for "current" items.`
`23:42.06`	`zenzelezz`	`http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/19595381715-8085-and-heirloom-items.html`
`23:42.06`	`Dagmar`	`Amarande: Probably before you're level 76`
`23:42.26`	`zenzelezz`	`"Heirloom items specifically state that they go from levels 1 to 80 so we don't currently plan to make the currently available items auto-update to go to level 85 in the next expansion. As for the experience gain, nothing is set in stone yet, but I think it makes sense that we won't want players to get a 20% exp bonus when leveling to 85. "`
`23:42.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`NightHawkTheSane: unless they add a badge downranker to make the new entry badge into the highest version of the old content`
`23:42.53`	`Dagmar`	`I'm just sure I'll want to see and wear the _new Cata gear_ the moment I hit 80`
`23:43.14`	`Dagmar`	`Probably at 77-78 actually`
`23:43.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Arrowmaster: true, although they didn't do that for BC emblems, so shrug`
`23:43.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`well when wrath launched there was only one new badge`
`23:43.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`wasnt there?`
`23:43.48`	`Amarande`	`Dagmar: Depends on whether Cata or WotLK quests are more fun, I imagine`
`23:43.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`no wait`
`23:43.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`there was heroism/valor at launch`
`23:44.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`there was 5/10 and 25`
`23:44.04`	`Amarande`	`seeing as higher end WotLK quests will still be green even at 85`
`23:44.14`	`Dagmar`	`Amarande: There's also the "burning a hole in my pockets" aspect of it`
`23:44.20`	`Dagmar`	`I've got almost 600 stonekeeper's shards`
`23:44.30`	`Dagmar`	`WTF _else_ am I going to spend them on`
`23:44.45`	`Dagmar`	`By the time Cata gets here I'll probably have over 1,000 of them`
`23:44.57`	`smcn`	`heh i have over 1k and haven't even been to WG in over a month`
`23:44.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Dagmar: convert them to commendations, use the honor to buy gems`
`23:45.08`	`smcn`	`oo that's a good one`
`23:45.17`	`Dagmar`	`I don't need gems`
`23:45.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`so sell the gems?`
`23:45.34`	`Dagmar`	`Nothin' really to buy`
`23:45.39`	`zenzelezz`	`I have over 1000 after buying the mount, and I've never done Wintergrasp`
`23:45.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i was just providing an option, is all.`
`23:45.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`:P`
`23:45.48`	`Amarande`	`heck, with the commendations, you can also get an anti-CC trinket for all your alts probably if you have that many shards`
`23:46.06`	`Dagmar`	`I'm not going to really waste my time or money worrying about ICC patterns/gear until I'm actually IN there on a regular basis`
`23:46.39`	`Dagmar`	`...an that's about the only thing I could need large piles of gems for`
`23:47.00`	`Amarande`	`I was worrying for a while about the ammo recipes`
`23:47.07`	`Amarande`	`but that was before I found out how cheap people were selling stuff for`
`23:47.10`	`Dagmar`	`Amarande: One weekend of IoC or AV will get enough honor for htat`
`23:47.13`	`Amarande`	`see, I figured, at least initially`
`23:47.22`	`Amarande`	`there wouldn't be all THAT many engineers with access to the 91.5 DPS ammo recipe`
`23:47.29`	`Dagmar`	`the people who got the ammo patterns first were stupid`
`23:47.37`	`Amarande`	`therefore, for the few with it, sky would be the limit`
`23:47.41`	`Amarande`	`Dagmar: depends on their play type`
`23:47.44`	`Dagmar`	`See, that's the stupid I'm talking about`
`23:47.55`	`Dagmar`	`"the sky" is NOT "the limit"`
`23:48.06`	`Adys`	`Depending on the speed of your connection and the size of your file(s) this could take awhile.`
`23:48.09`	`Adys`	`slaps someone`
`23:48.14`	`Dagmar`	`Sure, if you sell twenty stacks at 100g apiece you mkae a lot of money. Big farking deal`
`23:48.25`	`Amarande`	`I suppose the type who just farm trash so they can get rep so their hunter can make their own top-end ammo and don't hardcore raid might be best served by going for the ammo recipe`
`23:48.29`	`Dagmar`	`Hunters practically get into a froth over that ammo`
`23:48.47`	`Amarande`	`my hunter is an engineer, therefore, not making my own ammo is kinda dumb`
`23:48.48`	`zenzelezz`	`Adys: I see you have encountered Captain Obvious's website or utility`
`23:48.56`	`Dagmar`	`The smart thing to do would have been to seed the AH with prices from sky high all the way down to cheap`
`23:49.16`	`Dagmar`	`...and then struggle to keep up with the flow of people buying`
`23:49.17`	`Amarande`	`I'm still finding it odd that the 91.5 ammo often costs less than the 67.5`
`23:49.41`	`Dagmar`	`Amarande: You realize it's materials are both trivial and in plentiful supply, right?`
`23:49.57`	`Adys`	`zenzelezz: i have encountered captain typo`
`23:50.23`	`Adys`	`jnwhiteh: who's in charge of the code base behind wowi?`
`23:50.33`	`jnwhiteh`	`Dolby`
`23:50.33`	`zenzelezz`	`Adys: he's a common encounter on the Intarwebs`
`23:50.34`	`jnwhiteh`	`why?`
`23:50.49`	`Dagmar`	`The people trying to sell ammo at only 100g a stack wound up just watching it not sell for large chunks of the day`
`23:50.54`	`Adys`	`jnwhiteh: because your image upload tool doesnt support transparency`
`23:50.54`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15561-PythonBLPconverterlibraryPIL.html`
`23:51.11`	`jnwhiteh`	`hrm, interesting`
`23:51.21`	`jnwhiteh`	`mind posting on the website feedback forum?`
`23:51.33`	`Adys`	`uh, sure but link, no idea where forums are :P`
`23:52.07`	`zenzelezz`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18`
`23:52.15`	`Dagmar`	`Amarande: Most of our crafters still haven't learned a thing on my server`
`23:52.15`	`Adys`	`love you`
`23:52.42`	`Dagmar`	`Amarande: They're still trying desperately to keep the price of the new ammo in the 9-10g/stack range`
`23:53.11`	`Dagmar`	`It's like 2g a stack to make. At half that price no one's going to blink about buying it all the time, for everything`
`23:53.45`	`Amarande`	`Dagmar: how much DPS difference does it make, all told, for the average hunter vs. the blue ammo?`
`23:53.58`	`Dagmar`	`Not as much as you'd like`
`23:54.03`	`Adys`	`http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/311790913/`
`23:54.07`	`zenzelezz`	`Dagmar: 2g for a stack of 1000?`
`23:54.31`	`Dagmar`	`Unless there's some ingredient that's not showing somewhere`
`23:55.00`	`cbreak`	`we gave that pattern to one of our engineers two days ago`
`23:55.08`	`cbreak`	`now a full pane of our guild bank is littered with them`
`23:55.12`	`Dagmar`	`All it takes is 2 crystallized earth for the bullets, or two crystallized shadow for the arrows`
`23:55.17`	`cbreak`	`I have to tell him to stop making new ones next time I see him`
`23:55.27`	`Dagmar`	`Not eternals, but the dinky pieces they break up into`
`23:55.32`	`*** join/#wowuidev Ginji (n=Ginji@cc1040670-a.gorre1.fr.home.nl)`
`23:55.58`	`Dagmar`	`cbreak: Start selling them in the AH for "merely" double what he paid for the materials`
`23:56.08`	`zenzelezz`	`hm, wow, never looked at the mats... that is crazy`
`23:56.22`	`Dagmar`	`Yes, this is why it was stupid that the first guys with the pattern didn't feel it out more`
`23:56.27`	`Dolby`	`thanks adys, i need to take a look at the image converter functions. that was written like 8yrs ago (for EQInterface)`
`23:56.40`	`Dagmar`	`They could have pretty easily taken the supply of loose crystalline shards and turned them all into bullets to sell`
`23:56.48`	`Dagmar`	`...without ever really having to run around much`
`23:56.49`	`Adys`	`Dolby: you could have a look at my library, which supports transparency`
`23:56.50`	`Adys`	`snickers`
`23:57.36`	`Dagmar`	`So they'd list 40 stacks at 100g apiece, and then maybe sell half of them... and there were always more mats around`
`23:57.43`	`Dagmar`	`That's in a 24-hour period.`
`23:58.44`	`Dagmar`	`A smart man would have said "How many hunters do we have on this server and how can I get them all buying my bullets right now"`
`23:59.26`	`Dagmar`	`When someone finally brought them down to a reasonable price on Skywall, I bought 50,000 rounds`
`23:59.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`if you start the market so low that nobody will undercut you, then nobody will bother to get the pattern`
`23:59.59`	`zenzelezz`	`people will get the patterns by accident`

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