| 00:01.18 | SNiLD | Shirik: http://codepad.org/d7leTclF |
| 00:01.44 | Arrowmaster | i cant believe im actually considering renewing my wow account and paying to server transfer |
| 00:01.45 | Shirik | That requires Foo to know what T it is supposed to refer to |
| 00:02.19 | Shirik | In my example, the class had no knowledge of it |
| 00:03.25 | SNiLD | ? |
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| 00:03.52 | Shirik | Foo's GetMemberPtr() returns &a, indicating it is required to know that something will want a. http://codepad.org/WDzGQmYX does not |
| 00:03.57 | Shirik | only main() knows that it wants a |
| 00:06.29 | SNiLD | ohhh ok now i see what you're trying to do :S |
| 00:07.31 | SNiLD | in effect the specialization will do the same thing |
| 00:09.39 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: Blizzard's marketingfu is strong |
| 00:09.47 | Shirik | but it won't work because it doesn't allow the object to change |
| 00:09.52 | Arrowmaster | it has nothing to do with marketing |
| 00:10.11 | WobWork | Sure it does |
| 00:10.13 | Shirik | the point here is trying to separate the object from the selection of member |
| 00:10.17 | WobWork | you're willing to pay extra money |
| 00:10.19 | Shirik | so that both can vary independently |
| 00:10.22 | WobWork | to transfer a toon across servers |
| 00:10.27 | WobWork | instead of grinding one up |
| 00:10.50 | WobWork | and by 'willing' I mean 'giving real consideration towards' |
| 00:11.36 | WobWork | and that's a marketing win, on Blizzards behalf, cause *chching*, free money |
| 00:12.13 | WobWork | (cause if they haven't paid off the expenses for every single future character transfer now by all the fees currently paid, they're doing something wrong) |
| 00:12.44 | Thunder_Child | what expense? |
| 00:13.05 | Thunder_Child | doesnt usually cost to move data from one area to another |
| 00:13.21 | WobWork | well, expenses in setting up the process |
| 00:13.36 | WobWork | training the technicians |
| 00:13.54 | WobWork | the initial setup processes really |
| 00:14.33 | Thunder_Child | they generate 1.5 billion $ a year in gross just from wow |
| 00:14.41 | WobWork | As I said, "Free money" |
| 00:14.58 | WobWork | and as such, "Marketing win" |
| 00:15.32 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tJgdLP2MAI |
| 00:17.00 | Thunder_Child | the problem i have with it is they say they make it expensive simply to kepp most people from doing it, yet the still have "cooldowns" on it. so why not simply jack up the cooldowns a bit and lower the price a lot |
| 00:17.09 | Thunder_Child | $5 would make a lot more sense |
| 00:17.12 | Arrowmaster | where did that number come from? |
| 00:17.21 | Arrowmaster | 1.5 bil |
| 00:17.44 | Thunder_Child | lua> 10000000000 * 12 * 12 |
| 00:17.45 | lua_bot | Thunder_Child: 1440000000000 |
| 00:17.52 | Thunder_Child | err... |
| 00:18.09 | Thunder_Child | 1.4 then |
| 00:18.31 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: I want them to offer a sliding scale for transfers depending on server balance |
| 00:18.32 | Thunder_Child | i wonder why i got 1.56 on my clack |
| 00:18.33 | Kraps | wahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat http://notalwaysright.com/this-is-high-bar-ta/3605 |
| 00:18.40 | WobWork | ie, cheaper to transfer to a less populated server |
| 00:18.45 | Thunder_Child | calc* |
| 00:18.50 | WobWork | and cheaper to swap to a faction where there's an imbalance |
| 00:18.55 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: less than half of the wow players actually pay a monthly fee |
| 00:19.22 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: thats at the 6 month price, not the monthly one |
| 00:19.43 | m^rk | should be free to swap faction to lesser side on servers with like 80% or more skew |
| 00:19.48 | WobWork | I pay the monthly fee, because I'm deluding myself into saying I can quit anytime |
| 00:19.55 | WobWork | m^rk: exactly |
| 00:20.07 | Arrowmaster | but the majority are in asia where they pay by what time they actually use and not a monthly fee |
| 00:20.10 | foxlit | they address that problem in different ways. |
| 00:20.28 | WobWork | I want to bring across my mage and priest, but it costs too much at this point to make it reasonable |
| 00:20.28 | Kraps | WobWork: you can pay and not play :p |
| 00:20.30 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: i didnt know they have that option.... |
| 00:20.38 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: whats the rate there? |
| 00:20.39 | Arrowmaster | that is their only option |
| 00:20.39 | WobWork | Kraps: I've done that before =P |
| 00:20.48 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 00:20.56 | WobWork | It's so they can throttle usage |
| 00:20.59 | Kraps | WobWork: just did that until a week ago |
| 00:21.26 | Kraps | i would log on then go "wtf this sucks" then log |
| 00:21.29 | Fisker | ooh how i hate people |
| 00:21.34 | Fisker | they make me do mean stuff |
| 00:21.51 | Fisker | so like i try to get in on this ony25 raid |
| 00:22.03 | Fisker | And i negotiate for a few minutes with the leader who then invites me |
| 00:22.22 | Fisker | After summon they just kick me and i'm stuck in her lair, both ways blocked by mobs |
| 00:22.30 | Fisker | wasting my time makes me angry! |
| 00:22.51 | Fisker | So i took the first and best mob to wipe on, onyxia of course |
| 00:22.55 | Kraps | why did they kick you Fisker? |
| 00:23.00 | Fisker | dunno Kraps |
| 00:23.05 | Fisker | Presumably because of my gear |
| 00:23.06 | Kraps | lies |
| 00:23.09 | foxlit | Kraps: you ask as if one needs a reason. |
| 00:23.22 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 00:23.23 | WobWork | Fisker: did you wipe their raid? |
| 00:23.33 | Fisker | yeah |
| 00:23.36 | WobWork | well done =) |
| 00:23.48 | Fisker | well i'm trying to gear my hunter up |
| 00:23.56 | WobWork | I hope you FD'd out of it all |
| 00:23.58 | Fisker | and i use like 5 minutes convincing the leader to invite me |
| 00:24.08 | Fisker | my gear isn't good enough to warrant worrying about repair bills |
| 00:24.24 | Fisker | and i leave the LFD queue just to join their raid |
| 00:24.35 | WobWork | eh, it rubs salt in the wounds that their idiocy cost them repair bills and you not at all |
| 00:24.36 | Shirik | cbreak: Now that I think about it, curious you should mention this |
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| 00:24.49 | Fisker | And when the loading screen was done i got the "You'll be teleported to the nearest instance, etc."-message and i had been removed without a word |
| 00:24.50 | Shirik | (18:34:35) (cbreak) you cold probably violate private: with that :) |
| 00:24.59 | Shirik | That's exactly what I'm doing, now that I've actually gotten down to writing it |
| 00:25.08 | Fisker | i think the fact that i killed a whole raid was more than enough |
| 00:25.08 | Shirik | I'm exposing a private member in an abstracted manner |
| 00:25.12 | WobWork | I hope you shouted "LEEEERRRROOOY JEEENNNKINSSS" just for the hell of it =) |
| 00:25.23 | Fisker | Because as the terribads say |
| 00:25.24 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.26 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 00:25.30 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: no, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft#Regional_variations it is still pre-paid |
| 00:25.39 | Fisker | And yeah that was a whisper i got |
| 00:25.58 | Fisker | so i reported him as well |
| 00:25.58 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: but time-metered |
| 00:26.08 | Fisker | now that's going to be salt in the wound |
| 00:26.10 | foxlit | " players must also purchase prepaid game cards that can be played for 66 hours and 40 minutes.[52] A monthly fee model is not available to players of this region." |
| 00:26.11 | WobWork | hehe |
| 00:26.25 | WobWork | ... 66hours and 40 min? |
| 00:26.31 | Thunder_Child | besides the fact that 66 hours and 50 is rather odd |
| 00:26.34 | foxlit | lua> 66*60+40 |
| 00:26.34 | lua_bot | foxlit: 4000 |
| 00:26.36 | Dagmar | That's one way to solve hte problem of goldfarmers trading off seats |
| 00:26.45 | WobWork | oh, 4k minutes |
| 00:26.47 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: that has nothing to do with what i or Arrowmaster were talking about |
| 00:26.48 | WobWork | that's still weird =P |
| 00:26.57 | Arrowmaster | no that is exactly what we were talking about |
| 00:27.13 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: I would disagree; it applies directly. |
| 00:27.34 | Dagmar | A month is around 43,000 minutes |
| 00:28.01 | Adys | its actually closer to 44000 |
| 00:28.10 | WobWork | ~60*24*30 |
| 00:28.11 | purl | 43200 |
| 00:28.15 | Dagmar | To the professional goldfarmer, monthly fees are overhead and a fixed cost if you keep that toon running 24/7 |
| 00:28.18 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster's orignal statment didnt imply pre-paid to me, but ya |
| 00:28.19 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=how+many+minutes+in+a+month |
| 00:28.27 | foxlit | But you can't golf farm in china anyway |
| 00:28.32 | Dagmar | Adys: Really Adys? It's that much closer? |
| 00:28.36 | foxlit | "unhealthy," that. |
| 00:28.57 | WobWork | foxlit: damn those golf farms =( |
| 00:29.20 | foxlit | WobWork: golf balls deserve to roam free? |
| 00:29.22 | WobWork | yeah, all gold farmers are working under the monthly fee anyway |
| 00:29.29 | WobWork | since they're playing on US/EU servers |
| 00:29.45 | WobWork | Free Range Golf Balls |
| 00:29.45 | Arrowmaster | also i suspect that blizzard blatantly lies about subscription counts and considers all asian accounts that still have time left on them as being active even if they havent been used in months |
| 00:30.12 | Dagmar | There's worse cases of that |
| 00:30.41 | Dagmar | How much effort do you think is going into determining if all those website "visitors" are real people running IE voluntarily, or botnets generating phony hits |
| 00:30.46 | Fisker | well duh |
| 00:30.50 | Fisker | just use the EU and US figures |
| 00:31.46 | Arrowmaster | i dont think they give those figures but i think its estimated at 4-5 mil |
| 00:32.17 | Thunder_Child | then that would be ~750 mill a year gross |
| 00:32.53 | Kraps | hmm ony drops 232 - 245 stuff |
| 00:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.hulu.com/watch/116561/saturday-night-live-digital-short-the-tizzle-wizzle-show-jammy-shuffle#s-p1-sr-i2 |
| 00:33.58 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry for the hulu part :/ |
| 00:34.30 | Fisker | i hate you ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:34.32 | Fisker | i want to kill you |
| 00:34.42 | Fisker | they have done so before Arrowmaster |
| 00:35.07 | Fisker | Usually in the end of the press release they write in the fineprint that the numbers are x eu, x us and x asia, etc. |
| 00:35.39 | Dagmar | It ain't so hard to believe when you compare US and CN population totals |
| 00:36.15 | Dagmar | There's like four times as many Chinamen |
| 00:36.30 | Fisker | actually they stopped doing that |
| 00:36.40 | Fisker | Prior to the launch of The Burning Crusade, World of Warcraft was played by more than 8 million players around the world -- with more than 2 million on North American realms and more than 1.5 million on European realms -- making it the most successful subscription-based massively multiplayer online role-playing game in PC-gaming history. |
| 00:36.43 | Fisker | but that was 3 years ago |
| 00:36.55 | Fisker | the 2 newer releases don't mention it anymore |
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| 00:44.18 | Thunder_Child | BUFFER FASTER DAMN YOU! |
| 00:44.36 | WobWork | damn you hulu |
| 00:44.49 | WobWork | and your americocentralist views |
| 00:49.09 | Adys | http://papetersson.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/johncleese3_large.jpg vs http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/John_Cleese_2008.jpg |
| 00:49.12 | Dagmar | It's not ethnio-centric |
| 00:49.13 | Adys | http://chrisstubbs.com/Macgyver.jpg vs http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Richard_Dean_Anderson_Comic_Con_2008.jpg |
| 00:49.16 | Dagmar | It's financially discriminatory |
| 00:49.34 | Adys | I know very few people who have aged as little as RDA did in so many years |
| 00:50.24 | WobWork | Adys: cleese hasn't aged either |
| 00:50.33 | WobWork | comparatively |
| 00:50.39 | Adys | you kidding? |
| 00:50.47 | WobWork | absolutely |
| 00:50.50 | WobWork | they both have wrinkles |
| 00:50.57 | WobWork | they both have grey hair |
| 00:51.07 | Adys | [02:50:39] <Adys> you kidding? |
| 00:51.08 | Adys | [02:50:47] <WobWork> absolutely |
| 00:51.35 | WobWork | ok, no, I'm not kidding |
| 00:52.16 | Adys | Im looking at the john cleese 2008 pic, I wouldnt have known who that was if it werent for the filename |
| 00:52.45 | WobWork | if it weren't for the similar hairstyle, nor would you on RDA |
| 00:53.12 | Adys | not really |
| 00:53.17 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Richard_Dean_Anderson_2004.jpg |
| 00:53.23 | WobWork | Adys: it's not even as if Cleese lost any hair between photos |
| 00:53.27 | WobWork | it just went white |
| 00:53.29 | Adys | he didnt |
| 00:53.31 | Adys | but |
| 00:53.49 | Adys | the guy's face is different |
| 00:53.55 | WobWork | not really |
| 00:54.02 | WobWork | Slightly jowely |
| 00:54.06 | WobWork | but that's it |
| 00:54.32 | WobWork | ok, sure, the first one has his expression somewhat -non- relaxed =P |
| 00:55.40 | WobWork | You possibly feel that RDA hasn't changed as much, because you've seen more of him over the years as he -has- changed |
| 00:55.50 | WobWork | point in case SG:1 etc |
| 00:56.30 | Adys | Im looking at two pictures of the same person with over 30 years in between |
| 00:56.50 | Adys | for cleese, Im looking at two pictures with at most 20 years in between |
| 00:56.52 | Adys | there is no way |
| 00:56.54 | WobWork | yes, but can you honestly say you never saw RDA yourself in those 30 years aside? |
| 00:57.36 | Adys | there is still a huge gap between macgyver and sg1 |
| 00:57.49 | WobWork | and? |
| 00:58.01 | WobWork | You first saw RDA on SG:1 and thought... hey.. he looks familiar... |
| 00:58.10 | WobWork | oh my god, it's MACGUYVER |
| 00:58.25 | Adys | I watched sg1 because macgyver was in it |
| 00:58.25 | WobWork | and reconciled the changes at that point |
| 00:58.49 | Adys | and didnt see ANY kind of change when I saw him the first time |
| 00:58.50 | WobWork | All I'm saying is that the photos you gave show two people who have aged about the same |
| 00:58.59 | WobWork | Adys: because you were expecting him |
| 00:59.16 | Adys | but sg1 aside, this pic is a lot more recent than sg1 |
| 00:59.19 | WobWork | you said earlier "If I were given that second photo of Cleese without any context..." |
| 00:59.31 | Adys | yeah, same goes for rda |
| 00:59.38 | Adys | I'd be like "Wow thats rda" |
| 00:59.44 | Adys | with cleese I'd be like |
| 00:59.48 | Adys | "wow hitler is still alive?" |
| 01:00.21 | Adys | (ps I love cleese) |
| 01:00.22 | WobWork | shrugs, it's simply because you've not seen as much of cleese as RDA |
| 01:00.40 | Adys | you're talking to someone who has seen every ep of MPFC |
| 01:00.42 | WobWork | the second photo is very very clearly Cleese to me |
| 01:00.56 | WobWork | without a second of doubt =P |
| 01:01.16 | WobWork | He's just not pulling a funny face =P |
| 01:01.33 | Adys | man thats NOT a funny face |
| 01:01.34 | WobWork | srsCleese is srs |
| 01:02.45 | WobWork | or are you saying that http://papetersson.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/johncleese3_large.jpg is not Cleese pulling a face? =) |
| 01:03.02 | Adys | cleese IS a funny face |
| 01:03.14 | WobWork | I bet you he's actually wiggling his ears at the camera, as it's being shot =) |
| 01:03.24 | Adys | rofl |
| 01:07.52 | Arrowmaster | fuck yeah! its complete after i dont know how many fucking years! |
| 01:08.01 | Arrowmaster | i found felheart bracers on the AH for 15g |
| 01:08.13 | Adys | you could have farmed molten core trash |
| 01:08.36 | Arrowmaster | thats boring plus i dont even really play anymore |
| 01:08.59 | Arrowmaster | and i think i would have better luck farming for a red aq mount |
| 01:09.43 | Arrowmaster | but now ive got 8/8 t1 t2 and t6 |
| 01:11.44 | Adys | [03:08:59] <Arrowmaster> and i think i would have better luck farming for a red aq mount |
| 01:11.50 | Adys | red aq mounts arent uncommon :P |
| 01:12.21 | Arrowmaster | yeah i had one day one aq ptr |
| 01:13.26 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: what about T1.5? |
| 01:14.13 | Arrowmaster | there was no 1.5 |
| 01:14.22 | Arrowmaster | do you mean 0 and 0.5? |
| 01:14.43 | Arrowmaster | there was a 2.5 the crappy aq40 stuff |
| 01:14.52 | WobWork | ah yeah 0.5 |
| 01:15.11 | Adys | I got full t0.5\o/ |
| 01:15.18 | Arrowmaster | ive got 1/8 of 0.5 because i only ever did the first quest |
| 01:15.45 | Arrowmaster | i used to have full t0 but i sold that since it wouldnt be hard to get back |
| 01:16.59 | Adys | http://neil.fraser.name/news/2009/12/29/ |
| 01:19.12 | WobWork | Adys: classy =) |
| 01:24.19 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Tokrim |
| 01:24.25 | Arrowmaster | i couldnt fill up all the slots =( |
| 01:25.35 | Adys | WobWork: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE87C33kTGI&feature=player_embedded |
| 01:25.37 | Adys | this guy's awesome |
| 01:27.16 | Aelobin | queuing 2v2 skirmishes solo at this hour is rather amusing :P |
| 01:32.04 | NeoTron | http://www.engrish.com/2009/11/which-way-to-the-normal-doctor/ |
| 01:32.08 | NeoTron | wow. just wow. |
| 01:32.26 | NeoTron | "The sea supports the knife treatment room"... etc |
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| 01:44.15 | Adys | in the category "good to know": firefox can bring any computer to a halt in a 1-liner svg which can be embedded in any page |
| 01:47.15 | Adys | anyone can test something on chrome windows and any of ie7/ie8/safari? |
| 01:47.32 | WobWork | probably |
| 01:47.40 | Adys | http://neil.fraser.name/news/2004/12/25/ |
| 01:48.00 | Adys | the snowflakes should be smooth, selecting text should be smooth as well |
| 01:50.11 | WobWork | chrome is smooth |
| 01:50.20 | WobWork | it flickers a bit if a flake moves over the cursor |
| 01:50.28 | WobWork | (in with button down) |
| 01:50.34 | Adys | selection is very smooth right? |
| 01:50.58 | WobWork | as is ie8 |
| 01:50.59 | WobWork | yeah |
| 01:51.22 | WobWork | don't have the others installed, I'm afraid |
| 01:51.49 | Cide | selection is laggy for me in chrome |
| 01:52.24 | Adys | Cide: linux? |
| 01:52.40 | Cide | win7 |
| 01:52.46 | Adys | screen resolution? |
| 01:52.54 | Cide | 1680x1050 |
| 01:52.59 | Adys | you WobWork ? |
| 01:55.41 | Adys | its related to screen resolution |
| 01:55.45 | Adys | can anyone test in safari4? |
| 01:56.54 | haste | Adys: firefox 3.6b5 is smooth as well under linux |
| 01:57.03 | Adys | yah |
| 01:57.36 | WobWork | um |
| 01:57.41 | Adys | hey haste, wanna test if the svg bomb still works on ff3.6? :P |
| 01:57.53 | haste | I'm bored enough |
| 01:58.01 | WobWork | same as cide |
| 01:58.04 | Adys | be ready to xkill it |
| 01:58.11 | Adys | http://neil.fraser.name/news/2004/<REMOVE>bomb.svg |
| 01:58.18 | WobWork | xp though |
| 01:58.20 | haste | I don't have Xkill you insensitive clod! |
| 01:58.32 | Adys | well suck it up and watch your computer cry |
| 01:58.45 | haste | nothing happens! |
| 01:58.49 | Adys | yet |
| 01:58.56 | Cide | he says as his computer crumbles |
| 01:59.00 | Cide | famous last words |
| 01:59.23 | haste | :D |
| 01:59.30 | haste | it eats memory damn slow tho' |
| 01:59.42 | Adys | seriously? |
| 01:59.46 | haste | yy |
| 01:59.49 | Adys | it ate all my 6gb in less than 5 seconds here |
| 02:00.04 | Adys | chrome didnt even fart |
| 02:00.18 | haste | it idles at 15% CPU on one core and resource RES goes up |
| 02:00.27 | haste | then it's drops down again before it reaches 700M |
| 02:00.41 | Adys | can you try in 3.5? |
| 02:00.41 | haste | then you repeat that into oblivion |
| 02:00.49 | haste | I don't have 3.5, so not |
| 02:00.52 | haste | s/t$// |
| 02:01.04 | Cide | in chrome I got "Script on the page used too much memory. Reload to enable scripts again." |
| 02:01.09 | Adys | as i said |
| 02:01.10 | Adys | chrome wins |
| 02:01.41 | Adys | yeah 3.5 is insane here |
| 02:01.41 | haste | firefox just idles at 670M here |
| 02:01.52 | Adys | it takes 3 sec to get up to 6gb |
| 02:03.57 | NeoTron | Adys: doesn't seem to really affect my 3.5.6 & linux at all |
| 02:04.03 | frontendloader | nothin in 3.5.6 either |
| 02:04.09 | frontendloader | on linux |
| 02:04.21 | Adys | Oo |
| 02:04.43 | Kalroth | I get a "script forbidden" on FF 3.5.6 Windows! |
| 02:04.44 | frontendloader | actually |
| 02:04.54 | frontendloader | yea I allowed scripts |
| 02:05.00 | frontendloader | and now it looks like it is doing some damage |
| 02:05.03 | Kalroth | I just did too |
| 02:05.10 | Kalroth | it's uhm, not doing anything |
| 02:05.19 | frontendloader | can't...open...terimal |
| 02:05.22 | NeoTron | it uses like 8% cpu and sat around 500-600 MB |
| 02:05.37 | Adys | bye frontendloader |
| 02:05.52 | frontendloader | oh I'm IRCing on a differenct computer |
| 02:05.59 | Kalroth | haha on Windows it uses ~256 mb ram every time I reload the page |
| 02:06.03 | Kalroth | no CPU time though |
| 02:06.13 | Adys | it shouldnt consume cpu |
| 02:06.14 | Adys | if you want cpu |
| 02:06.20 | Adys | go to http://neil.fraser.name/news/2004/loop.svg |
| 02:06.22 | Kalroth | it releases the memory after 15 seconds |
| 02:06.30 | Adys | jesus |
| 02:06.38 | Adys | mine doesnt even have 15 seconds before the 6gb are gone |
| 02:06.39 | NeoTron | it's essentially a fork bomb |
| 02:06.54 | NeoTron | just seems Adys has a "special" firefox that dies hard while no one elses does :P |
| 02:07.07 | Kalroth | it never uses that much memory for me, ~250mb ram for 10-15 seconds |
| 02:07.18 | Adys | hm no |
| 02:07.21 | Adys | it stopped dying here |
| 02:07.37 | frontendloader | killed it I think |
| 02:07.41 | frontendloader | yea its dead now |
| 02:07.44 | Adys | oh hahah |
| 02:07.47 | Adys | the script died |
| 02:07.50 | Adys | stopped running |
| 02:07.51 | frontendloader | poor little p4 2.4ghz/512mb ram |
| 02:07.52 | Kalroth | not much of a bomb anyways :p |
| 02:07.59 | frontendloader | was quite crippled by it |
| 02:08.15 | Kalroth | the bomb can go in here: http://www.engrish.com/2009/09/sorry-whiskers/ |
| 02:09.33 | Adys | can you try something for me Kalroth? |
| 02:09.38 | Adys | how much ram you got? |
| 02:09.39 | Kalroth | no |
| 02:09.42 | Kalroth | 8gb |
| 02:09.46 | Kalroth | or 12 |
| 02:09.49 | Kalroth | not sure |
| 02:09.56 | Adys | open three tabs of the thing |
| 02:10.43 | frontendloader | so why can a vector graphic contain a script |
| 02:11.01 | ScytheBlade1 | you can write some degree of applications with SVG |
| 02:11.06 | Kalroth | nothing adys |
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| 02:11.12 | Kalroth | even refreshed all 3 at the same time |
| 02:11.18 | Adys | why can markup language contain a script? :P |
| 02:11.20 | Kalroth | max memory used is like 900mb |
| 02:11.37 | Adys | the js engine dies at some point |
| 02:11.48 | frontendloader | try it in the newest opera |
| 02:11.56 | ScytheBlade1 | it is very nice to redraw the image in a programatic way |
| 02:12.28 | ScytheBlade1 | http://ktown.kde.org/~vandenoever/cubetest/cubetest.svg |
| 02:12.43 | Kalroth | Adys: 10 tabs, 1.7gb mem used now, but no freezes |
| 02:12.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Click on a box, drag the mouse around |
| 02:12.54 | Kalroth | 12* |
| 02:13.34 | Kalroth | I close the tabs and FF is down back to 150mb used |
| 02:15.01 | Adys | its interesting |
| 02:15.07 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/ram.png |
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| 02:15.34 | Adys | the script runs for a while and just dies |
| 02:16.07 | Adys | anyway its still insane |
| 02:18.02 | frontendloader | eh I didn't know SVG had that capability |
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| 02:20.35 | ScytheBlade1 | not many people do |
| 02:21.28 | Adys | http://neil.fraser.name/news/2002/03/08/ |
| 02:21.44 | Adys | Password protecting a webpage using client-side JavaScript. Impossible? Nope! Introducing Javacrypt [...] |
| 02:21.44 | digmouse | What is the _G localized entry for Focus frame? in languages other than English _G.FOCUS returns the energy type Focus not the Focus frame |
| 02:21.46 | Adys | Update: Javacrypt has been broken. |
| 02:22.07 | Adys | digmouse: because _G.FOCUS is the globalstring for "Focus" |
| 02:22.15 | Adys | it should return "Focus" in english too. |
| 02:22.28 | Adys | there is no localized entry for frames, they're all named identically |
| 02:22.46 | digmouse | o.O in zhCN energy type Focus is different from the frame name Focus |
| 02:23.05 | digmouse | seems I'd better use another way |
| 02:27.21 | frontendloader | wow damnit |
| 02:27.27 | frontendloader | aparently firefox remembered the page it was on |
| 02:27.31 | frontendloader | when I crashed it >_> |
| 02:28.35 | WobWork | goddamn you Adys |
| 02:28.46 | WobWork | I've spent the last hour or so reading that blog |
| 02:28.50 | WobWork | and I'm at work >< |
| 02:28.52 | Adys | so have i |
| 02:28.56 | Adys | and Im at home. |
| 02:31.15 | Arrowmaster | mad moxxi stole my cloths |
| 02:34.13 | Arrowmaster | omg so many midgets throwing axes at me |
| 02:36.53 | Arrowmaster | im down on the ground fighting off a horde of angry midgets and moxxi is up on a tower dancing around a stripper pole...... |
| 02:36.58 | jnwhiteh | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling |
| 02:37.24 | Adys | ffs |
| 02:37.26 | Adys | even once killed |
| 02:37.31 | Adys | firefox manages to shit my memory |
| 02:37.58 | jnwhiteh | what would I add to that this for this channel |
| 02:38.03 | jnwhiteh | 'standard' not 'standart' |
| 02:38.08 | jnwhiteh | 'deprecated' not 'depreciated' |
| 02:38.14 | ScytheBlade1 | LUA |
| 02:38.15 | Adys | depricated |
| 02:38.34 | jnwhiteh | Adys: and you spelled it wrong =) |
| 02:38.45 | Adys | spelled what wrong? |
| 02:38.59 | jnwhiteh | 'depricated' |
| 02:39.04 | Adys | it was a joke |
| 02:39.08 | jnwhiteh | k :P |
| 02:39.11 | Adys | Im working 24/7 with blizzard data |
| 02:39.13 | jnwhiteh | btu that's not a word =) |
| 02:39.18 | Adys | dont think I dont know how to spell deprecated :D |
| 02:39.21 | jnwhiteh | so it doesn't fit in the same way |
| 02:39.44 | Adys | i hadnt clicked |
| 02:39.49 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 02:39.55 | jnwhiteh | 'depreciated' kills me. |
| 02:39.55 | tem | ugh |
| 02:39.57 | jnwhiteh | ~deprecated |
| 02:39.58 | purl | methinks deprecated is a term in computer software that indicates a feature is no longer officially supported even if it still exists and may eventually be removed altogether. Deprecated is often misspelled 'depreciated' which is a financial term. |
| 02:40.04 | jnwhiteh | ~depreciated |
| 02:40.05 | purl | i guess depreciated is the adjective form of depreciation, a financial concept whereby assets with finite lives lose value over time. Depreciation is often confused for the computer software term 'deprecated'. |
| 02:40.22 | tem | The word Throughput is not Thouroughput |
| 02:40.22 | jnwhiteh | I'm so proud of those. |
| 02:40.25 | tem | sigh at people who can't read |
| 02:40.37 | jnwhiteh | and WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH STANDART |
| 02:40.38 | jnwhiteh | D |
| 02:40.41 | jnwhiteh | D |
| 02:40.43 | jnwhiteh | it has a D |
| 02:40.45 | jnwhiteh | at the end |
| 02:40.49 | jnwhiteh | </rage< |
| 02:40.50 | jnwhiteh | oops |
| 02:40.54 | ScytheBlade1 | you've honestly seen standart? |
| 02:40.55 | jnwhiteh | guess it fails to validate! |
| 02:40.58 | Adys | i havent |
| 02:41.00 | tem | has jnwhiteh had a little to drink? |
| 02:41.02 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: every fucking where. |
| 02:41.06 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: look at teh wow forums |
| 02:41.07 | WobWork | well, depreciated isn't a misspelling... |
| 02:41.10 | jnwhiteh | for one =) |
| 02:41.12 | ScytheBlade1 | really? |
| 02:41.14 | Adys | yeah add that to the list of misspellings |
| 02:41.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I never have |
| 02:41.20 | jnwhiteh | WobWork: no more than any of the other ones on the PAGE i linked. |
| 02:41.20 | Adys | I cant even spell t.e.h |
| 02:41.23 | Adys | xchat corrects it |
| 02:41.42 | Adys | lol effect/affect |
| 02:41.43 | Adys | man |
| 02:41.54 | jnwhiteh | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wowuidev+%22standart%22&aq=f&oq=&aqi= |
| 02:41.57 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 02:42.04 | jnwhiteh | google auto ignores 'standart' and uses 'standard' |
| 02:42.11 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: u shud of thout of that bfour it bcame a standart!! |
| 02:42.16 | Adys | jnwhiteh: add a + |
| 02:42.21 | tem | Yay we got Full House |
| 02:42.22 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=wowuidev+%2Bstandart&aq=f&oq=&aqi= |
| 02:42.29 | tem | that is one abnoxious achievement |
| 02:42.32 | jnwhiteh | Adys: ... the page I linked had it correct |
| 02:42.39 | jnwhiteh | "standart" works just fine |
| 02:42.45 | Adys | i dont click your links gddmnit :P |
| 02:42.46 | Kalroth | tem: lotta CCing |
| 02:42.49 | Adys | oh yeah |
| 02:42.51 | jnwhiteh | then shush! |
| 02:42.53 | Adys | dammit != damnit |
| 02:42.57 | mikma | jnwhiteh: its pretty stantard to do the mistake |
| 02:43.07 | jnwhiteh | said the finn =) |
| 02:43.20 | Kalroth | Adys: dammit |
| 02:43.30 | mikma | and you know what it means when finn says it? |
| 02:43.43 | Kalroth | mikma: vodka? |
| 02:44.00 | jnwhiteh | aportchop |
| 02:44.01 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 02:44.01 | mikma | kalroth: sauna, perkele! |
| 02:44.24 | mikma | jnwhiteh: i am dissappointed you missed my wordplay there |
| 02:44.28 | Kalroth | :D |
| 02:44.35 | Kalroth | stan-tart! |
| 02:44.37 | jnwhiteh | I didn't =) |
| 02:44.40 | jnwhiteh | i just ignored it |
| 02:44.47 | WobWork | stanford? |
| 02:44.47 | mikma | what a tard! |
| 02:45.38 | Adys | jnwhiteh: how did you find this page? |
| 02:45.44 | jnwhiteh | twitter, ofc |
| 02:45.51 | Adys | >< |
| 02:45.55 | mikma | ~standart |
| 02:45.56 | jnwhiteh | its two trending topics right now |
| 02:46.05 | jnwhiteh | "Stop misspelling" and "Words you Need" |
| 02:46.07 | tem | ~laziness |
| 02:46.08 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 02:46.14 | tem | ~fear of complexity |
| 02:46.14 | purl | FEAR OF COMPLEXITY: That which causes you to implement as little as possible, as simplicity is easier to fix. As well, that which prevents feature creep due to the environmental damage it causes. Hence, the fourth great virtue of a programmer. |
| 02:46.16 | tem | ~hubris |
| 02:46.17 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 02:46.24 | tem | ~impatience |
| 02:46.24 | purl | IMPATIENCE: The anger you feel when the computer is being lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to your needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least that pretend to. Hence, the second great virtue of a programmer. |
| 02:46.27 | Kalroth | ~tem |
| 02:46.28 | purl | i heard tem is I wonder what Tem is breaking now... |
| 02:46.38 | Adys | ~kalroth |
| 02:46.39 | purl | i heard kalroth is hating Adys. A lot. a positive bastard |
| 02:46.42 | Kalroth | :D |
| 02:46.44 | mikma | purl: standart is Someone throwing a dart at Stan. Poor Stan. |
| 02:46.45 | purl | okay, mikma |
| 02:46.45 | Adys | jnwhiteh: mispelling != misspelling too :P |
| 02:47.13 | Stanzilla | poor stan |
| 02:47.42 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 02:47.51 | jnwhiteh | that's funnier than I expected it to be =) |
| 02:50.54 | digmouse | I saw a screenshot which shows a actionbar that fades out buttons that is in cooldown or out of range, which action bar mods can do that? or it's exactly can't be done? |
| 02:51.56 | jnwhiteh | anything can be done visually =) |
| 02:52.06 | digmouse | XD |
| 02:53.12 | mikma | i saw a screenshot which shows a surprise buttsecks, which mod likes that? |
| 02:54.46 | jnwhiteh | any clad mod |
| 02:55.47 | tem | jnwhiteh, how much have you had to drink? |
| 02:56.04 | jnwhiteh | none |
| 02:56.08 | mikma | jnwhiteh: in that case, can has surprise PerfectRaid plox |
| 02:56.23 | ScytheBlade1 | couple shots of 160 proof something I'd imagine |
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| 02:57.17 | Adys | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/zombie_how |
| 02:57.19 | Adys | thats awesome |
| 03:04.58 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 03:05.00 | jnwhiteh | Adys: :P |
| 03:05.29 | Adys | The massive structure, ostensibly designed to wirelessly transmit power, has been cited as a potential cause of the mysterious 1908 Tunguska Event � a ten-megaton blast that detonated in the wastelands above central Russia that completely obliterated and deforested everything unlucky enough to be located within a several hundred mile radius. While nothing has ever successfully proven Tesla's involvement in the ass-destroyingly huge explosion, it's pre |
| 03:05.29 | Adys | tty awesome that this guy could potentially have detonated a weapon 1,000 times more powerful than the nuclear bomb that destroyed Hiroshima, and have done it back before they'd even invented the submachine gun. |
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| 03:15.05 | mikma | adys: tsar bomba. |
| 03:17.41 | Nechckn | That is what Obama must be trying to build since he invented the term Tsar!! |
| 03:17.52 | Nechckn | Socialist bastard, that he is... |
| 03:19.40 | mikma | oh c'mon, i'm not a pro rogue but i can see when spec sucks when leveling |
| 03:21.27 | Arrowmaster | moxxi stole my cloths again..... |
| 03:21.31 | Adys | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/caffeine |
| 03:21.35 | Adys | didnt bleeter link that once? |
| 03:23.00 | Thunder_Child | wow, this look hawt http://kotaku.com/5435912/mechwarrior-meets-crysis-they-get-along-just-fine |
| 03:23.55 | Thunder_Child | looks* |
| 03:26.34 | Nechckn | has been hungry for some decent Mech Warrior stuff, too. |
| 03:32.55 | digmouse | seriouly I still want to know any action bar mod can fade out cooldown and ooR |
| 03:34.40 | Seerah | digmouse: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15228-AlphaButtons.html |
| 03:35.24 | digmouse | wow thx seerah, will look into it |
| 03:35.36 | Seerah | welcome |
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| 03:48.46 | digmouse | oops it dont support macaroon yet |
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| 03:57.39 | m^rk | is there a build in function to dump a table's contents to chat window |
| 03:59.38 | Iriel | From an addon? |
| 04:00.03 | Iriel | Or during development? |
| 04:01.10 | m^rk | during development |
| 04:01.26 | Adys | /dump tableName |
| 04:02.11 | m^rk | cool thanks |
| 04:02.43 | m^rk | and is there a way to do it via code? i might want to make a slash command that would dump multiple tables so I don't have to type it |
| 04:03.24 | Cide | nice |
| 04:03.41 | Cide | there's a blue named Brennvin |
| 04:05.25 | Iriel | m^rk: There's whatever function /dump is calling, let me see |
| 04:05.43 | Cide | pretty sure it's called DevTools_Dump like yours, Iriel |
| 04:05.44 | Adys | OH PYTHON NO YOU DONT |
| 04:06.01 | kdtresh | i usually use a for k,v in pairs(tableName) print(k,v) end |
| 04:06.07 | Adys | Cide: comfort me, love :( |
| 04:06.13 | Cide | Adys? |
| 04:06.24 | Adys | self.__foo = {} |
| 04:06.42 | Adys | def __getattr__(self, name): print name |
| 04:06.43 | Iriel | Cide yup-- it's in the Blizzard_DebugTools addon, so that needs to be loaded |
| 04:07.00 | Adys | _ClassName__foo |
| 04:07.10 | Adys | it gets automangled before its passed |
| 04:07.26 | Cide | don't use __ |
| 04:07.29 | Cide | it only brings pain |
| 04:07.39 | Adys | meh i figured |
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| 04:08.33 | Adys | MAN |
| 04:08.39 | Adys | OVERRIDING GETATTR SUCKS ASS |
| 04:08.44 | Adys | it makes me go capsey |
| 04:08.58 | Adys | Cide: why doesnt this work? return super(BitFlags, self).__getattr__(name) |
| 04:09.05 | ckknight_ | Adys: override __getattribute__, it's even more fun. |
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| 04:09.17 | Adys | whats that? |
| 04:09.20 | ckknight | __getattr__ only works for keys that don't exist |
| 04:09.27 | ckknight | __getattribute__ is everything |
| 04:09.27 | Adys | wuwat? |
| 04:09.29 | ckknight | afaik. |
| 04:09.36 | Cide | I don't believe that's the case |
| 04:09.43 | Cide | not sure tho |
| 04:09.48 | Adys | ok, props if someone can fix this code |
| 04:09.49 | ckknight | I'm pretty sure. |
| 04:09.50 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/139114/ |
| 04:09.53 | ckknight | Adys: paste |
| 04:09.53 | ckknight | k |
| 04:10.05 | Adys | I get a recursion error in getattr |
| 04:10.22 | Cide | you're using self.x |
| 04:10.26 | Adys | and if i use startswith, i get retarded stuff |
| 04:10.40 | Adys | Cide: yeah, what should I use? |
| 04:10.55 | Cide | getattr() |
| 04:11.06 | Adys | doesnt that just call __getattr__? |
| 04:11.16 | Cide | not sure, don't think so |
| 04:11.24 | Adys | metry |
| 04:11.27 | Cide | maybe |
| 04:12.41 | Adys | Cide: nope, recursion depth exceeded |
| 04:12.52 | Cide | should be a python equivalent of rawget |
| 04:13.01 | Adys | ~g python equivalent of rawget |
| 04:13.11 | Adys | Did you mean: python equivalent of wget Top 2 results shown |
| 04:13.12 | Adys | fu |
| 04:14.05 | Cide | http://orestis.gr/blog/2007/12/10/python_getattr/ |
| 04:14.58 | Adys | god |
| 04:15.22 | Cide | maybe super()? |
| 04:15.27 | Cide | haven't read it |
| 04:15.39 | Adys | super object has no attribute __getattr__ |
| 04:16.16 | Adys | oh |
| 04:16.16 | Adys | OH |
| 04:16.22 | Cide | weak |
| 04:17.48 | Adys | wait |
| 04:18.10 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.10 | Adys | AttributeError: 'BitFlags' object has no attribute '__values' |
| 04:18.11 | Adys | DCHEHEUHDFCVJD |
| 04:18.48 | Cide | dude I told you :P |
| 04:18.54 | Adys | AttributeError: 'BitFlags' object has no attribute '_values' |
| 04:18.59 | Adys | Ok this is officially fucked up |
| 04:19.15 | Cide | _BitFlags__values? |
| 04:19.23 | Adys | i changed the name to _values |
| 04:19.24 | Adys | inst = super(BitFlags, self) |
| 04:19.24 | Adys | if name in inst.__getattribute__("_values"): |
| 04:19.45 | Adys | do i need to pass self again? |
| 04:19.57 | Cide | no |
| 04:20.18 | Adys | whattido :( |
| 04:20.23 | WobWork | ugh |
| 04:20.28 | WobWork | 1/1/2005 |
| 04:20.35 | WobWork | three years to go |
| 04:21.10 | Adys | In order to avoid infinite recursion in this method, its implementation should always call the base class method with the same name to access any attributes it needs, for example, "object.__getattribute__(self, name)". |
| 04:21.17 | Adys | Shirik would enjoy this |
| 04:21.55 | Adys | ah |
| 04:21.58 | Cide | super(Class, self).__getattribute__(name) |
| 04:22.00 | Adys | I need to call object.__getattribute__(self, name)* |
| 04:22.05 | Adys | without super |
| 04:22.14 | Cide | the two are equivaeltn |
| 04:22.16 | Cide | equivalent |
| 04:22.23 | Cide | unless you're not inheriting from object |
| 04:22.23 | Adys | read what i pasted :P |
| 04:22.27 | Adys | i am |
| 04:22.35 | Cide | reading is for bares |
| 04:22.47 | WobWork | Cleva bare! |
| 04:23.16 | Adys | AttributeError: 'BitFlags' object has no attribute '_values' |
| 04:23.19 | Adys | FUUUUUUUU- |
| 04:23.38 | Cide | you failed at assigning it |
| 04:23.59 | frontendloader | how would I sort a table by the number of values assigned to each key? |
| 04:24.07 | Adys | oh god |
| 04:24.08 | frontendloader | like t[1] = (1, 2, 3} |
| 04:24.09 | Cide | a key can only have one value by definition |
| 04:24.13 | Adys | OH GOD |
| 04:24.14 | frontendloader | t[2] = {1, 2} |
| 04:24.17 | frontendloader | well |
| 04:24.21 | Adys | no |
| 04:24.21 | frontendloader | I may have misspoke |
| 04:24.22 | Adys | i cant fix this |
| 04:24.26 | frontendloader | I wanted to call it a 2d table |
| 04:24.27 | Iriel | table.sort(tbl, function(a,b) #a < #b end) |
| 04:24.42 | Adys | Cide: spot the error |
| 04:24.45 | Iriel | oops, almost |
| 04:24.51 | frontendloader | what would be the correct way to say that then |
| 04:24.54 | Iriel | table.sort(tbl, function(a,b) return #a < #b end) |
| 04:25.09 | Cide | busy atm |
| 04:25.10 | Adys | self._values = ... in __init__ |
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| 04:25.17 | Adys | def __setattr__(self, name, value): |
| 04:25.17 | Adys | if name in self._values.keys(): |
| 04:25.36 | frontendloader | thanks Iriel |
| 04:25.41 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5436696/gee--thanks-grandma- |
| 04:26.55 | Adys | Cide: I did it!! |
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| 04:27.18 | Adys | Cide, ckknight, http://dpaste.com/139118/ |
| 04:35.45 | Cide | what's it for? |
| 04:36.41 | Adys | Cide: its a bitmask class |
| 04:36.59 | Cide | that I can tell |
| 04:37.18 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/139127/ |
| 04:37.22 | Adys | i feed it flags=FLAGS |
| 04:37.40 | Adys | >>> bitmask.group_loot |
| 04:37.41 | Adys | True |
| 04:38.03 | Cide | define each key and you pass it a number and get it as a dict? |
| 04:38.30 | Adys | no |
| 04:38.35 | Adys | in my abstraction |
| 04:38.37 | Adys | I got this |
| 04:38.47 | Adys | BitMaskField("flags", flags=FLAGS), |
| 04:38.55 | Adys | so I can do |
| 04:39.05 | Adys | >>> f = wdbc.fopen("itemcache.wdb") |
| 04:39.08 | Kalroth | it's basically an indexed bit string? |
| 04:39.20 | Adys | >>> assert f[12345].group_loot == True |
| 04:39.25 | Adys | Kalroth: ya |
| 04:39.35 | Cide | so it's pretty much what I said :P |
| 04:40.02 | Kalroth | well his comment pretty much says what it does :) |
| 04:40.07 | Adys | you dont get anything as a dict |
| 04:40.07 | Kalroth | in the code, that is |
| 04:40.31 | Kalroth | """ Convert the BitFlags to a dict """ |
| 04:40.46 | Kalroth | so you do get something as a dict! |
| 04:40.50 | Adys | fu |
| 04:41.04 | Cide | rofl |
| 04:41.13 | Cide | best part was I didn't read that |
| 04:41.16 | Cide | sup |
| 04:41.18 | Cide | owned by documentation |
| 04:41.36 | Adys | hmm |
| 04:41.47 | Adys | weird, my flags are one-off |
| 04:41.57 | Kalroth | zero indexed! |
| 04:42.02 | Adys | foff |
| 04:42.06 | Adys | its a dict |
| 04:42.10 | Adys | its not 0-indexed |
| 04:42.20 | Kalroth | I know, that's the problem |
| 04:42.47 | Cide | you're using 1 << key, but 1 << 1 is 2 |
| 04:42.53 | Cide | without reading the code |
| 04:43.18 | Adys | what should i use instead then? |
| 04:43.23 | Kalroth | well looking at the comment, it's a 0 index issue :p |
| 04:43.24 | Cide | 1 << key-1 |
| 04:43.31 | Cide | 1 << 0 == 1 |
| 04:43.39 | Kalroth | v = BitFlags(5, {0x1: "race", 0x2: "sex", 0x4: "alive"}) <- 1 is first index |
| 04:43.43 | Kalroth | v = BitFlags(5) # v[0] is True, v[1] is False, v[2] is True |
| 04:43.43 | Kalroth | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.00 | Adys | Kalroth: thats accessing it by int |
| 04:44.03 | Adys | which I think doesnt even work |
| 04:44.11 | Adys | old feature |
| 04:44.15 | Kalroth | oh |
| 04:44.37 | Kalroth | you're doing bit <<= key |
| 04:44.53 | Cide | <Cide> 1 << key-1 |
| 04:45.03 | Adys | Cide: in both getitem and setitem? |
| 04:45.09 | Adys | oh duh ofc |
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| 04:45.54 | Cide | yeah I'm pretty awesome |
| 04:46.02 | Cide | solving your bugs while healing heroics and not reading the actual code |
| 04:46.09 | Kalroth | You're Swedish, yeah? |
| 04:46.14 | Adys | Cide: doublefu |
| 04:46.15 | Cide | yep |
| 04:46.24 | Adys | now they're not off by one anymore |
| 04:46.26 | truedego | if i save a table name in the saved varibales in my toc, will it save all of the table data? |
| 04:46.31 | Adys | they're off by two |
| 04:46.32 | Kalroth | Sorry, Swedes are the fiskers of the world. |
| 04:46.36 | Kalroth | Adys: haha |
| 04:46.51 | Cide | I thought you were swedish |
| 04:46.55 | Kalroth | truedego: I believe so. |
| 04:47.03 | Cide | and I thought fisker was danish |
| 04:47.04 | Kalroth | Cide: No need to insult me, sir. |
| 04:47.08 | Cide | or some such |
| 04:47.13 | Adys | he is |
| 04:47.15 | truedego | Kalroth: ty, i guess i just need to try it out |
| 04:47.19 | Cide | may I remind you of our women |
| 04:47.21 | Adys | they both are danish |
| 04:47.22 | Kalroth | Adys: Bite me, frenchy! |
| 04:47.31 | Cide | ah, that's why he's been saying hej |
| 04:47.36 | Cide | phew |
| 04:47.37 | Kalroth | hejsa! |
| 04:47.42 | Adys | hej kalle |
| 04:48.08 | Kalroth | Put it this way; Danes got one Fisker while all Swedes are fiskers. |
| 04:50.23 | Adys | Cide: this no work :( |
| 04:50.23 | Adys | bit = 1 |
| 04:50.23 | Adys | bit <<= key-1 |
| 04:50.38 | Adys | shouldnt it be bit = 0; bit <<= key ? |
| 04:51.23 | Cide | 0 << x == 0 |
| 04:51.46 | Cide | well if -1 made it grater |
| 04:51.50 | Cide | maybe you should try key+1 |
| 04:51.54 | Adys | I did |
| 04:51.56 | Adys | and hold on |
| 04:52.00 | Adys | i dont need to do this |
| 04:52.08 | Adys | i can just return bool(self._bitmask & key) |
| 04:52.24 | Cide | unless key is not a single flag |
| 04:52.33 | Adys | it cant not be |
| 04:52.42 | Adys | AssertionError: heroic |
| 04:52.43 | Adys | win |
| 04:52.59 | Cide | in which case you need self._bitmask & key == key |
| 04:53.03 | Cide | which covers the other case as well |
| 04:53.27 | Adys | mm fair enough |
| 04:54.04 | Adys | most painful 20 lines of code ever |
| 04:54.38 | Cide | you'd have been better off using __getitem__ |
| 04:55.15 | Adys | i was already using getitem |
| 04:55.19 | Adys | and |
| 04:55.31 | Adys | if i used it on the front end it would have broken consistency |
| 04:55.40 | Adys | HAY THIS WORKS :):) |
| 04:56.30 | Cide | cool |
| 04:57.45 | Adys | thanks btw |
| 04:58.30 | Cide | np, not sure if I helped |
| 04:59.12 | Adys | you did with getattr |
| 04:59.20 | Adys | then you ended up being fuck-useless like usual |
| 04:59.27 | Adys | but thats okay. |
| 04:59.38 | Cide | sure |
| 05:04.06 | WobWork | oh man |
| 05:04.07 | WobWork | Povray |
| 05:04.15 | WobWork | I remember writing scripts in that |
| 05:04.46 | Adys | WobWork: still reading that blog? hahah |
| 05:05.20 | Adys | https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/kchoimdlcbapmcdnheaahjcdpdjdpfco |
| 05:05.22 | Adys | OH I LOVE YOU |
| 05:05.48 | WobWork | Adys: hehe, That was one of the first extensions I installed |
| 05:06.00 | Adys | oh that is SEXY |
| 05:06.13 | WobWork | (although for a second there, I thought the url was SEO friendly, and was going "wtf is that extension supposed to ... say?") |
| 05:06.14 | Adys | gets rid of flash |
| 05:06.31 | Adys | WobWork: yeah way to fail with those extension hashes |
| 05:06.48 | m^rk | if I remove a SavedVariablesPerCharacter variable from my addon, will that variable exist the very next time I log in? I want to import the variable into it's new location so that the users don't lose settings. |
| 05:07.10 | Adys | m^rk: it will exist unless you delete it inside the addon (set it to nil) |
| 05:07.14 | WobWork | Adys: yeah, 24th July 2004 |
| 05:07.26 | m^rk | thanks a lot that is what I wanted to hear |
| 05:07.29 | Adys | WobWork: hahah so thats what you were referring to |
| 05:09.01 | kdtresh | Adys: but it won't be accessible if it's not in the toc file, will it? |
| 05:09.09 | Adys | kdtresh: sure it will be |
| 05:09.19 | Adys | as long as you know which table its in or what not |
| 05:09.30 | Adys | whatever is in savedvars is global |
| 05:10.13 | kdtresh | so all you have to do is put a .lua file in your folder and it's available? you don't have to reference it anywhere in a .toc file? |
| 05:10.34 | Adys | sure, as long as the lua is loaded before the main addon |
| 05:10.53 | Adys | savedvariables are just that, variables that are saved, hence modifiable |
| 05:10.59 | Adys | (at the addon level) |
| 05:11.54 | Adys | man having html video tag on youtube is full of win |
| 05:12.06 | Adys | I'm browsing youtube like i just discovered the site |
| 05:12.16 | Kalroth | what different? |
| 05:12.25 | Adys | wut? |
| 05:12.30 | WobWork | hehe "Update: A gentleman from Boeing contacted me to complain that my JavaScript HP-35 simulation had a bug. He was calculating the square of the speed of light, and got entirely the wrong answer. I tracked it down to JavaScript interpreting exponents "08" and "09" as being in octal format. The calculator has been corrected. Next time I see my bank manager I'm investing in Boeing stock (BA), their next plane sounds like it's going |
| 05:12.42 | Adys | oh and double win |
| 05:12.47 | Adys | i dont even have the fucking ads |
| 05:13.25 | Kalroth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxq9yj2pVWk |
| 05:14.29 | Adys | Kalroth: I know exactly which mcgyver ep that is |
| 05:14.36 | Kalroth | haha |
| 05:15.21 | Adys | PICTURE GO FREEZE |
| 05:15.22 | WobWork | Kalroth: how the hell is Lady Gaga's Bad romance, related? =P |
| 05:15.26 | Adys | all disappointed it wasnt in it |
| 05:15.48 | Kalroth | WobWork: dunno I'm watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8parMbofwb4 atm! |
| 05:16.35 | WobWork | gogo enhacement |
| 05:17.03 | Adys | Kalroth: Hi dad! |
| 05:17.31 | WobWork | ... how the hell does he sound 'Irish'? |
| 05:19.37 | Kalroth | and then he suggests to enhance your moms boobies |
| 05:20.15 | WobWork | I'd feel terrible for the original model =P |
| 05:28.48 | Adys | Kalroth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xQU--fBJx0 |
| 05:35.36 | frontendloader | blah |
| 05:36.50 | WobWork | awesome http://neil.fraser.name/news/2004/04/01/ |
| 05:37.30 | Adys | WobWork: hahah |
| 05:37.41 | Adys | A useful technique at the higher ratios is to open and close HTML tags two or three times; one of them should work. Unfortunately there are no known browsers which support lossy HTTP compression. |
| 05:38.24 | Adys | I dont really see the point of compressing if its just to have text three times as big :P |
| 05:40.28 | Adys | Kalroth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zFe8FClWNM |
| 05:40.31 | Adys | this, for you, love |
| 05:42.45 | Kalroth | what the fuck |
| 05:42.53 | Arrowmaster | i think its one of those 'this is a fucking stupid idea but we did it just to prove we could, now if anybody uses this youre a fucking moron' |
| 05:43.17 | Adys | Arrowmaster: well for html its obviously retarded |
| 05:43.30 | Adys | but for other content, sure why not? |
| 05:44.23 | truedego | anyone know of an event that fires when a BG ends? |
| 05:44.37 | Adys | !api battleground |
| 05:44.37 | lua_bot | Found 7 possible results for 'battleground': GetNumBattlegroundTypes, UnitInBattleground, GetBattlegroundInfo, PLAYER_ENTERING_BATTLEGROUND, CHAT_MSG_BATTLEGROUND_LEADER, CHAT_MSG_BATTLEGROUND, RequestBattlegroundInstanceInfo |
| 05:44.47 | Adys | !api match |
| 05:44.47 | lua_bot | Found 5 possible results for 'match': string.match, GlyphMatchesSocket, strmatch, gmatch, string.gmatch |
| 05:44.58 | Adys | !api bg |
| 05:44.58 | lua_bot | Found 5 possible results for 'bg': CHAT_MSG_BG_SYSTEM_HORDE, SwapRaidSubgroup, CHAT_MSG_BG_SYSTEM_ALLIANCE, CHAT_MSG_BG_SYSTEM_NEUTRAL, SetRaidSubgroup |
| 05:45.04 | Adys | Nope. |
| 05:45.07 | truedego | oh wow, didnt know about that |
| 05:45.19 | truedego | ty adys! |
| 05:45.24 | Adys | truedego: it searches wowprogramming.com |
| 05:45.42 | truedego | Adys: i love thier book |
| 05:46.05 | Adys | oh man, OH MAN |
| 05:46.13 | Adys | its so good to be able to interact with a video AS AN ELEMENT |
| 05:46.26 | Adys | look at me, right click, inspect |
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| 05:51.45 | Kalroth | Adys: look, a python programmer is arguing with a lua programmer; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7mOzWQSnaQ |
| 05:52.03 | Adys | funi |
| 05:55.50 | frontendloader | so I'm trying to reorganize this gigantic table that has tables nested 5 or 6 deep |
| 05:57.17 | frontendloader | how do I set a variable equal to one of the table keys without it taking the whole table with it |
| 05:57.27 | frontendloader | horrible explanation I know |
| 05:57.53 | digmouse | An addon that will tell you if any of your other addons violate Blizzard's rules. Hmm what is this |
| 05:58.20 | frontendloader | t["eggs"] = ("yolk", "white", ["shell"]} |
| 05:58.22 | Arrowmaster | IllegalAddon? |
| 05:58.50 | frontendloader | and t["eggs"]["shell"] = {"calcium", "membrane"} |
| 05:59.28 | Arrowmaster | you are mixing arrays and hash tables there |
| 05:59.37 | Iriel | I think your 'shorthand' is confusing us |
| 05:59.39 | frontendloader | ugh probably |
| 05:59.40 | Iriel | I assume you mean... |
| 05:59.42 | Adys | google autocomplete for "autoe" is "autoerotic asphyxiation" |
| 05:59.42 | frontendloader | it really is |
| 05:59.49 | Adys | xkcd, efficiency itself |
| 05:59.49 | frontendloader | I'm horrible at explaining this |
| 05:59.51 | Kalroth | strangles Adys slowly. |
| 06:00.09 | Iriel | t["eggs"] = { yolk = { ...stuff...}, white = { .... stuff ...}, shell = {....stuff...} } |
| 06:00.50 | Iriel | where t has a key "eggs" whose value is a table |
| 06:00.56 | Iriel | that table has a key "shell' whose value is a table |
| 06:00.56 | Iriel | etc |
| 06:00.57 | frontendloader | t["eggs"] , t["milk"] |
| 06:01.04 | frontendloader | both of those are tables |
| 06:01.06 | Adys | Kalroth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoerotic_asphyxiation |
| 06:01.10 | Adys | Kalroth: take a screenshot |
| 06:01.25 | Iriel | frontendloader: ok, that makes sense, now what do you want to DO with it? |
| 06:01.31 | Adys | Kalroth: because in the next few hours there'll be an "Autoerotic asphyxiation in popular culture" section :P |
| 06:01.34 | frontendloader | and I want to be able to go for k,v in pairs(t) ingredients = v end |
| 06:01.42 | frontendloader | and not have the components of eggs and milk |
| 06:01.48 | frontendloader | turn ingredients in a table |
| 06:02.00 | frontendloader | well |
| 06:02.07 | Kalroth | oh it's used on xkcd, haha |
| 06:02.11 | Kalroth | poor darth :( |
| 06:02.14 | frontendloader | I don't want the components of eggs and milk come along with |
| 06:02.36 | Iriel | what is 'ingredients' supposed to end up with, for your example |
| 06:02.49 | frontendloader | just the strings "eggs" or "milk" |
| 06:03.00 | frontendloader | depending on how far it has stepped through |
| 06:03.19 | Iriel | well, 'k' is going to be the key "eggs" or "milk" |
| 06:03.37 | Iriel | focus on that and ignore v 8-) |
| 06:03.41 | frontendloader | k would also contain everything below it wouldn't it |
| 06:04.05 | Iriel | no, for your example k would be "eggs" and v would be the { yolk = { ...stuff...}, white = { .... stuff ...}, shell = {....stuff...} } |
| 06:04.17 | Iriel | then k would be "milk" and v would be whatever milk's table is |
| 06:04.27 | Iriel | Think t[k] = v |
| 06:04.38 | Iriel | pairs gives you the k's and v's you need to build the table |
| 06:06.20 | Adys | Kalroth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNT5zvd3g2M |
| 06:06.23 | Adys | love you just as much |
| 06:09.29 | frontendloader | yeah theres just some strange behaviour happening here that I'm not following with this particular table |
| 06:09.36 | frontendloader | that made me question my understanding as a whole |
| 06:13.52 | frontendloader | yeah I corrupted my table :/ |
| 06:13.59 | frontendloader | thats what backups are for at least |
| 06:15.19 | WobWork | Adys: I like that sort of typogrageekery |
| 06:16.30 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6Q0dfrbr10&feature=related |
| 06:16.46 | WobWork | Hugo Weaving is awesome |
| 06:22.01 | frontendloader | oh aparently a copy of a table isn't actually a copy of a table >_> |
| 06:22.14 | frontendloader | damn references |
| 06:23.29 | WobWork | well, to be more precise, a reference to a table is a reference =) |
| 06:24.17 | frontendloader | yeah I thought that newtable = t |
| 06:24.18 | Adys | to be less obvious, a reference to a table is not a copy of the table |
| 06:24.25 | frontendloader | woops |
| 06:24.38 | Adys | night peeps |
| 06:25.22 | frontendloader | and theres no table.copy function eh? |
| 06:25.35 | truedego | can someone tell me why like 5 is erroring and asking for a then? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/130796 |
| 06:26.25 | frontendloader | then do |
| 06:26.27 | frontendloader | maybe? |
| 06:27.14 | truedego | errr no |
| 06:27.42 | truedego | its asking for it in the bg_player_total |
| 06:28.46 | truedego | so something isnt being set propeply or i didnt == something correctly, thats 95% of my errors. but this one eludes me |
| 06:29.07 | truedego | grr nm |
| 06:29.32 | truedego | the next line down, i needed == not =. ::smashes head into keyboard:: |
| 06:29.48 | truedego | 96% of my errors now |
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| 07:50.55 | industrial | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/the_rolling_bench.jpg |
| 07:50.56 | industrial | awesome concept |
| 07:53.51 | frontendloader | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/130798 anyone think they can turn this into a oneliner? |
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| 07:58.20 | jnwhiteh | frontendloader: why do you need it to be a one-liner? |
| 07:58.24 | jnwhiteh | make it a wowlua script |
| 07:58.26 | frontendloader | brevity's sake |
| 07:58.41 | frontendloader | I enjoy a good oneliner |
| 07:58.52 | jnwhiteh | well it could be a oneliner |
| 07:58.56 | jnwhiteh | not likely to be a oneline MACRO |
| 07:59.10 | frontendloader | yeah when I say oneliner I mean 255 characters |
| 08:01.15 | frontendloader | just as a question |
| 08:01.21 | frontendloader | is there any way to get deeper into a table |
| 08:01.48 | frontendloader | if I don't know the keys that are being used |
| 08:01.59 | frontendloader | without doing a ton of for k,v in pairs(t) |
| 08:02.03 | frontendloader | nested in eachother |
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| 08:03.04 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7QfTYH2L2k&fmt=37 |
| 08:03.06 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 08:03.56 | jnwhiteh | still over by 60 or so |
| 08:04.05 | jnwhiteh | and yes |
| 08:04.08 | jnwhiteh | you can go deep in a table |
| 08:04.11 | jnwhiteh | tables.. you just access tem |
| 08:04.19 | frontendloader | well I don't know the keys |
| 08:04.29 | frontendloader | in this particular example |
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| 08:04.37 | frontendloader | idk if you've ever looked at beancounter's SV |
| 08:05.02 | jnwhiteh | got it down to 305 |
| 08:05.02 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 08:05.07 | jnwhiteh | i ahven't and i don't care to at the moment =) |
| 08:05.18 | frontendloader | hah its not a pretty place at least for me |
| 08:05.30 | frontendloader | since I don't know how to traverse tables very well |
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| 08:06.04 | jnwhiteh | b=BeanCounterDB[GetRealmName()][GetUnitName(PLAYER)]["completedAuctions"]r=pairs;l=table;f="inum"t={}i=0;for k,v in r(b)do i=i+1;t[i]={}t[i][f]=k;for n,m in r(v) do for y,z in r(m) do l.insert(t[i], z)end;end;end;l.sort(t, function(a,b)return #a>#b end);for i=1,10 do print(#t[i],GetItemInfo(t[i][f]))end is close |
| 08:06.16 | jnwhiteh | you probably dont have to traverse them int he first place |
| 08:06.19 | jnwhiteh | except at one level |
| 08:07.13 | Nechckn | The format is described by Kan doko in the discussion http://forums.norganna.org/discussion/11340/raw-data/#Item_18 |
| 08:07.24 | frontendloader | I can specify a level to traverse at? and all of the keys that are above it? |
| 08:07.38 | jnwhiteh | a table is just a table |
| 08:07.42 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't matter where the hell it comes from |
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| 08:09.20 | jnwhiteh | i'm goign to sleep |
| 08:09.22 | jnwhiteh | goodnight |
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| 08:11.52 | Nechckn | *The wiki page link was incorrect in the OP's post; fixed now. |
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| 08:17.31 | Nechckn | frontendloader for an example of the BCNT data in-use, see http://wep.net/~dcox/Auc-Util-Broker-0.9.0c.zip or http://zip.norganna.org/auctioneer/Auc-Util-Glypher/Auc-Util-Glypher-latest.zip |
| 08:17.54 | Nechckn | Both use the data pretty heavily, so they should provide some good pointers for whatever it is you are doing. |
| 08:18.10 | industrial | Is it me or is the cooldown on Call Stabled Pet seriously broken? |
| 08:18.16 | industrial | its a 29 hours when I use it |
| 08:18.19 | industrial | normally |
| 08:18.26 | industrial | and right now even at 6 days :S |
| 08:18.41 | Nechckn | Wha?? For real, industrial? |
| 08:18.56 | Wobin | yeah |
| 08:19.06 | Wobin | to reset it, queue for a skirmish |
| 08:19.11 | Nechckn | Have not played mine in a few patches.. so have not seen that -- double damn |
| 08:19.12 | Wobin | (arena) |
| 08:19.25 | Nechckn | Will that work for even those lowbies, Wobin? |
| 08:19.36 | Wobin | you don't get call stabled pet til 80 |
| 08:19.44 | Wobin | I don't think |
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| 08:20.01 | Nechckn | Woops.. never mind that part. =) |
| 08:20.21 | Nechckn | He's had it, but dunno when it showed up. |
| 08:21.15 | frontendloader | Nechckn: yeah I've been fiddling with glypher a bit, and I mean I can navigate the tables fairly well and get the data I want |
| 08:21.22 | frontendloader | it just seems like there should have been a shorter way to do it |
| 08:22.16 | Nechckn | Likely not at the moment. If you have a specific idea, write it up under the BCNT discussion. Kan doko is pretty open to such things - or suggesting alternatives. |
| 08:22.42 | frontendloader | nah I'm not really in a position to provide input to seasoned interface devs |
| 08:22.46 | Nechckn | It has been his doing for some time now, so that would be the most direct route. |
| 08:22.48 | frontendloader | yet.. |
| 08:23.21 | Nechckn | Well, he can suggest "how" too, if there is an easier way than whatever you are doing now. |
| 08:23.33 | Nechckn | Up to you, either way. |
| 08:26.06 | DJJeff | im 1 bar away from level 80 |
| 08:26.12 | DJJeff | I want fireworks and a screenshot |
| 08:26.16 | DJJeff | when it happens |
| 08:26.24 | DJJeff | what addons can do that |
| 08:26.25 | DJJeff | lol |
| 08:26.33 | DJJeff | I have one for the screenshot |
| 08:26.41 | DJJeff | but nothing for fireworks |
| 08:26.46 | frontendloader | before you level up |
| 08:26.57 | DJJeff | and whisper my friend that I finally hit 80 |
| 08:27.02 | DJJeff | and my total time playing |
| 08:27.18 | DJJeff | autodinger whispers my guild |
| 08:27.23 | DJJeff | but not my friends |
| 08:27.26 | frontendloader | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9828-CoolLevelUp.html |
| 08:27.27 | DJJeff | it has no GUI |
| 08:27.28 | frontendloader | doit |
| 08:28.04 | frontendloader | yeah I guess beancounter has some built in functions |
| 08:28.20 | frontendloader | for looking through its data |
| 08:28.55 | frontendloader | I wasn't so much concerned with beancounter itself as I was with large tables like that in general |
| 08:29.42 | Nechckn | frontendloader well, we are all about making the accumulated data accessible. If you are having trouble or think you may be missing something.. give him a yell. Not to disparage your seeking the background and all, but that would be the quickest route to get you onto the rest of whatever you are doing with the data. |
| 08:31.19 | Nechckn | Anywhoo.. off for nap time. Have a good one! |
| 08:41.26 | DJJeff | if the system requirements are 1.3GHz and 1GB ram...... I have 2.80GHz with 2GB of ram why is my fps like 6 at .... low gfx detail |
| 08:41.33 | DJJeff | this is starting to piss me off |
| 08:41.45 | DJJeff | says 32MB of gfx mem required |
| 08:41.51 | DJJeff | I have 512MB |
| 08:42.02 | DJJeff | is my CPU like..... sick |
| 08:42.26 | DJJeff | running no background proccess's like messengers or firefox |
| 08:42.39 | DJJeff | my WoW.exe cpu is at 95-100% |
| 08:43.11 | DJJeff | I guess I could screenshot my process explorer to proove it |
| 08:43.17 | frontendloader | your system is what I would call the minimum for WOTLK |
| 08:43.27 | frontendloader | personally |
| 08:43.27 | DJJeff | the box lies |
| 08:43.44 | frontendloader | I had my wow.exe exceed 2gb today |
| 08:43.49 | DJJeff | I more then beat the req's from the WotLKbox |
| 08:43.51 | frontendloader | and subsequently error out |
| 08:44.11 | DJJeff | my wow.exe uses 400MB of ram |
| 08:44.16 | DJJeff | using 50 addons |
| 08:44.19 | DJJeff | mostly fubar |
| 08:45.06 | DJJeff | and its mostly questhelper uses like 20MB or ram |
| 08:45.16 | DJJeff | of* |
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| 08:49.24 | frontendloader | I've got my texture cache size set to the maximum |
| 08:49.27 | frontendloader | which I think is 512mb |
| 08:49.57 | DJJeff | how do you modify that stuff? |
| 08:50.02 | frontendloader | config.wtf |
| 08:50.25 | DJJeff | I think either my CPU is sick..... my hard drive is lame..... or my gfx settings are wrong |
| 08:50.42 | DJJeff | I mean I have the top of the line for P4 |
| 08:50.52 | DJJeff | P4's must not suck this bad |
| 08:50.54 | DJJeff | lol |
| 08:51.17 | frontendloader | [02:50:37]Dump: value=GetCVar("textureCacheSize") |
| 08:51.17 | frontendloader | [02:50:37][1]="536870912" |
| 08:51.31 | frontendloader | think thats 512mb |
| 08:51.36 | DJJeff | games like starcraft use 100% CPU unless I mess with that cpu cycle shit I think |
| 08:51.46 | DJJeff | so maybe WoW has a similar fix? |
| 08:51.48 | frontendloader | starcraft shouldn't do that any more |
| 08:52.01 | frontendloader | as of the most latest patch I believe |
| 08:53.19 | DJJeff | "enable CPU throttling" |
| 08:53.23 | DJJeff | that was the option |
| 08:53.38 | DJJeff | with that turned off the cpu goes nuts |
| 08:53.46 | DJJeff | with it on it calms down to 5% |
| 08:54.18 | DJJeff | its like the CPU works better when its doing less |
| 08:54.26 | DJJeff | less work I mean |
| 08:54.48 | DJJeff | so if I can find out if WoW is using all my CPU or some addon is |
| 08:55.01 | DJJeff | cause my gfx card is brand new |
| 08:56.02 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't think it was an addon, but you should be able to easily tell... just disable all your addons |
| 08:57.09 | DJJeff | I guess so |
| 08:57.25 | DJJeff | but your right I did disable all my addons and try |
| 09:00.26 | Arrowmaster | so i was just sitting here trying to figure out what to watch then it hit me |
| 09:00.31 | Arrowmaster | farscape! |
| 09:00.39 | zenzelezz | I think you misspelled Aliens |
| 09:00.54 | Arrowmaster | my complete series dvds arrived yesterday |
| 09:01.09 | Vilkku | okey guys, time to test your google skills |
| 09:01.28 | Arrowmaster | i already rewatched all 4 Aliens movies a few months ago |
| 09:02.22 | frontendloader | http://i44.tinypic.com/2hgtksl.jpg bastard sig from hell |
| 09:02.30 | Vilkku | I'm trying to find a nerdrage-type comic where a ele shaman uses lava burst on a mob without flame shock, but it still crits |
| 09:07.21 | Arrowmaster | gah, older series, interlace hell |
| 09:11.58 | Torhal | DJJeff: If you fuck with the CPU settings, more than likely WoW will behave more poorly - it's CPU-bound. You can have the best graphics card in the world and the game will still crawl if you have a shitty CPU. |
| 09:18.59 | DJJeff | will jumping from a P4 2.80GHz to 3.XXGHz CPU make a diff? |
| 09:19.18 | DJJeff | I'd just throw this comp out the window and buy a new one |
| 09:19.25 | DJJeff | but I dont have a spare $500 |
| 09:19.31 | DJJeff | cause im a student |
| 09:19.36 | DJJeff | paying shit loads on rent |
| 09:20.08 | DJJeff | I dont get how people find $ for kick ass comps |
| 09:20.29 | DJJeff | they must not be paying for FOOD/RENT/SCHOOL/GAS/INSURANCE/KIDS |
| 09:20.30 | DJJeff | etc |
| 09:20.33 | zenzelezz | where are you testing your FPS? |
| 09:20.34 | DJJeff | l m f a o |
| 09:20.45 | Dagmar | I'll let you in on a little secret. |
| 09:20.49 | Dagmar | It's called "a job". |
| 09:21.15 | DJJeff | ok a decent job.... hrmmmmmmm $2000/mth |
| 09:21.22 | DJJeff | if your lucky |
| 09:21.37 | DJJeff | FOOD/RENT/SCHOOL/GAS/INSURANCE/KIDS is about $1500 a month |
| 09:21.52 | Torhal | I went from a 2.2GHz quad-core AMD to a 3.1GHz dual-core AMD and picked up 20FPS |
| 09:21.54 | DJJeff | and thats not even CELLPHONE/TV/INTERNET/WOW bill |
| 09:21.59 | Dagmar | Are you at all aware that you might be talking to adults who have a |
| 09:22.02 | zenzelezz | you should cut down on non-essentials like kids |
| 09:22.05 | Dagmar | "kick-ass computer" |
| 09:22.12 | Torhal | Cores do not matter, either, since WoW isn't multi-threaded |
| 09:22.37 | Kalroth | is too |
| 09:22.48 | Torhal | Kalroth: There's a sound thread and a game thread. :P |
| 09:23.20 | Dagmar | Not really noticing a problem with an 8800 GTS, 4Gb of RAM, and an AMD 4850e |
| 09:23.39 | zenzelezz | Task Manager says my WoW is sitting at 29 threads |
| 09:23.55 | frontendloader | Dagmar: thats a pretty decent computer |
| 09:23.59 | frontendloader | at least wow-wise |
| 09:24.07 | Kalroth | Besides, the idea of multi-cores isn't only to optimize one process, it's to optimize the 20-40 processes you got running in the background |
| 09:24.10 | Dagmar | DJJeff: Learning how to build your own computer also helps |
| 09:24.19 | Dagmar | frontendloader: I pretty much aimed for that |
| 09:24.21 | frontendloader | what's an AMD 4850 equal to on the intel side of things |
| 09:24.24 | Wobin | 'decent' job is 24k a year? |
| 09:24.30 | Dagmar | 'cuz it's more than enough to handle the compiling I do |
| 09:24.49 | Dagmar | Wobin: Yeah, that I didn't want to even address |
| 09:24.52 | Dagmar | That's way low |
| 09:24.57 | Torhal | Kalroth: Indeed, but we were talking about WoW. |
| 09:25.10 | zenzelezz | he could be talking about jobs alongside education |
| 09:25.30 | Wobin | that's about retail, over here, I'd suspect |
| 09:25.39 | Dagmar | frontendloader: It's dual-core 2.5ghz |
| 09:25.55 | Dagmar | frontendloader: The delicious is that it's 45w |
| 09:25.59 | frontendloader | yea thats a dynamite CPU then |
| 09:26.00 | DJJeff | my computer is pure customized no prebuilt parts |
| 09:26.01 | frontendloader | for wow |
| 09:26.18 | frontendloader | I mean its no phenom or i7 |
| 09:26.25 | Dagmar | Then how the hell do you spend $500 on it? |
| 09:26.25 | frontendloader | but way within the bounds you'd want for decent fps |
| 09:26.43 | Dagmar | frontendloader: I knew what target FPS I was aiming for when I built it |
| 09:27.10 | Dagmar | I'm not sure there's anything that'll do all the graphics in 25-mans without spending a ton on the video card |
| 09:27.56 | Dagmar | DJJeff: You can get a good enough CPU for like $50 or less, RAM is ludicrously cheap now, and a capable motherboard is $65-70 |
| 09:28.20 | theorbtwo | DJJeff: No prebuilt parts? You purified and polished your own silicon wafers, did your own lithogrophy ... |
| 09:28.23 | Wobin | oh god, RAM is so ridiculously cheap nowadays =\ |
| 09:28.45 | Dagmar | IBM's using them as box filler |
| 09:29.28 | Dagmar | frontendloader: It got nice frame rates on Dragon Age Origins as well. That suprised me |
| 09:29.37 | Dagmar | I was just trying to play Oblivion at decent FPS |
| 09:29.43 | Dagmar | hehe |
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| 09:30.19 | zenzelezz | DA:O supposedly makes good use of multi-core |
| 09:30.56 | Dagmar | Cor I still need to finish that thing |
| 09:31.02 | Dagmar | It just goes on and on and on |
| 09:31.24 | Wobin | and on and on and on |
| 09:31.26 | Dagmar | If I get to the end and see dailies, I will not be a bit suprised |
| 09:32.37 | Dagmar | I so love the new confetti badges |
| 09:34.20 | Dagmar | I like the 232 shoulders I just got. They're detailed as heck and have little lions on them |
| 09:34.35 | Dagmar | No more "crazy bits of animals" motif |
| 09:40.10 | DJJeff | http://www.jefferywilkins.com/screencap/wowcpu.jpg |
| 09:41.46 | DJJeff | that screencap is a very detailed shot of whats running on my comp and how much |
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| 09:41.55 | Dagmar | Some people would consider killing a few things off |
| 09:42.11 | DJJeff | oh how I love process explorer > task man |
| 09:43.04 | zenzelezz | shouldn't really compare them; they're not meant to be direct competitors |
| 09:43.04 | DJJeff | I wonder whats about page faults |
| 09:43.30 | DJJeff | process explorer is microsoft friendly |
| 09:43.44 | DJJeff | sysinternals is on the microsoft website |
| 09:44.12 | zenzelezz | yes, but it's still not meant to be used by Joe Average |
| 09:44.15 | DJJeff | I just find it easier to look at then task manager |
| 09:44.25 | DJJeff | being color coded |
| 09:44.28 | DJJeff | and sorted |
| 09:44.29 | zenzelezz | page faults just mean the program tried to read memory that was no longer in paged memory |
| 09:44.39 | Dagmar | http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.php |
| 09:44.51 | DJJeff | blue being own and pink being system |
| 09:46.20 | DJJeff | playing solo I can get 40 fps fine |
| 09:46.33 | DJJeff | when im in a city with 100 other level 80's idleing |
| 09:46.36 | DJJeff | I get 1-4 fps |
| 09:46.54 | DJJeff | I hear reports of that happen alot |
| 09:46.59 | DJJeff | so its not just me |
| 09:48.16 | zenzelezz | that's why I asked earlier where you are testing |
| 09:49.57 | DJJeff | either the blizzard ui's "?" |
| 09:50.00 | DJJeff | or |
| 09:50.04 | DJJeff | performance fu |
| 09:50.21 | DJJeff | performance fu shows how much ram my addons use |
| 09:50.26 | zenzelezz | I mean where is your character |
| 09:50.34 | zenzelezz | are you in a city? Out in the wilderness? In a raid? |
| 09:50.50 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 09:50.51 | Fisker | halp |
| 09:50.52 | DJJeff | I will screenshot my ui |
| 09:50.55 | DJJeff | just sec |
| 09:52.03 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.07 | DJJeff | http://www.jefferywilkins.com/screencap/WoWScrnShot_123009_015219.jpg |
| 09:54.12 | DJJeff | thats my WoW ui |
| 09:54.19 | DJJeff | of me in orgrimmar |
| 09:54.25 | DJJeff | in front of the xmas tree |
| 09:54.47 | DJJeff | dont I look sexy on my zebra mount |
| 09:54.48 | DJJeff | lol |
| 09:55.00 | zenzelezz | I think generally a city isn't the best place to test your framerate |
| 09:55.11 | DJJeff | but did that screenshot load? |
| 09:55.14 | DJJeff | I want you to see it |
| 09:55.18 | Polarina | My character casted Drunken Vomit when I drank too much! |
| 09:55.20 | zenzelezz | it did |
| 09:55.22 | Polarina | Tihi! :P |
| 09:55.37 | zenzelezz | not a very classy girl are you? ;) |
| 09:55.39 | Fisker | kisses Wobin |
| 09:55.58 | DJJeff | haveing an open ticket with a GM |
| 09:56.04 | DJJeff | is messing up my buffs |
| 09:56.07 | Polarina | zenzelezz: :D |
| 09:56.17 | Polarina | DJJeff: Dump your addons. |
| 09:56.21 | DJJeff | lol |
| 09:56.30 | DJJeff | I like my fubar X_X |
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| 09:57.25 | DJJeff | oooooooooo that screenshot says im 99% into 75 almost 76 |
| 09:57.27 | DJJeff | yaaaaaaay |
| 09:57.35 | DJJeff | I gotta post this on craigslist |
| 09:57.47 | Polarina | If I was programming a bar addon, I would reanchor UIParent to make it's top, -12 pixels lower relative to WorldFrame. |
| 09:58.16 | zenzelezz | I assume you mean the bar would be 12 units tall then? |
| 09:58.23 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Yes. |
| 09:58.30 | DJJeff | you can resize fubar |
| 09:58.34 | DJJeff | thats why I like it |
| 09:58.41 | Polarina | You can reanchor UIParent whenever you want. |
| 09:58.47 | Polarina | :D |
| 09:59.40 | Polarina | I can even reanchor WorldFrame to force a widescreen aspect ratio on this 1280x1024 monitor. |
| 10:00.19 | DJJeff | no 1080p monitor? |
| 10:00.21 | DJJeff | wtf? |
| 10:00.22 | DJJeff | lol |
| 10:00.24 | Polarina | No. :( |
| 10:00.46 | DJJeff | im finally happy with my 23" 1080p LCD |
| 10:00.52 | Polarina | xD |
| 10:00.53 | DJJeff | have only had it for 2 weeks |
| 10:01.20 | zenzelezz | I love my 24"es, even though they're 16:10 |
| 10:01.24 | DJJeff | the loading screens dont stretch to fit my 1080 |
| 10:01.51 | zenzelezz | stretching is bad, m'kay? |
| 10:01.59 | Polarina | zenzelezz: :D |
| 10:02.04 | DJJeff | i'm not sure if im 16:9 or 16:10 |
| 10:02.13 | Polarina | DJJeff: Resolution? |
| 10:02.15 | zenzelezz | if you're 1080p, you're 16:9 |
| 10:02.24 | zenzelezz | if you're 1920x1200, you're 16:10 |
| 10:02.43 | DJJeff | 1920x1080 |
| 10:02.48 | DJJeff | is my desktop |
| 10:02.50 | zenzelezz | then you're 16:9 |
| 10:02.52 | DJJeff | not sure what my WoW is |
| 10:03.04 | DJJeff | WoW doesn't support 1080 ? |
| 10:03.15 | zenzelezz | it supports whatever your monitor does |
| 10:04.17 | Torhal | DJJeff: Dump FuBar. Look at this page: http://wiki.github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/addons-using-ldb |
| 10:04.31 | Torhal | I personally use Bazooka as my display - it's very similar to FuBar. |
| 10:04.52 | Dagmar | You can replace it easily with DisplayPanel I think |
| 10:05.02 | Mikk | prefers Fortress for full freedom of where things go |
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| 10:06.46 | DJJeff | http://www.jefferywilkins.com/screencap/WoWScrnShot_122609_225428.jpg |
| 10:06.59 | DJJeff | omg I lol'ed so hard at the tempest keep glitch |
| 10:07.06 | DJJeff | he died and didn't give us anything |
| 10:07.34 | DJJeff | nice screenshot of WIM ADDON in action there |
| 10:07.55 | DJJeff | WIM is great except for the party leader showing up in chat still |
| 10:07.56 | Torhal | WIM + GearScore == FPS drop. Probably others as well. |
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| 10:09.26 | Wobin | hm |
| 10:09.31 | Wobin | is snowflake usable? |
| 10:09.38 | Wobin | I might as well redo HeyFu |
| 10:10.11 | Wobin | although it was a terrible abuse of dewdrop in the first place... |
| 10:10.21 | Torhal | Wobin: UiDropDownMenu FTW. |
| 10:10.27 | Torhal | s/Ui/UI/ |
| 10:14.43 | Wobin | hm |
| 10:14.58 | Wobin | maybe when I get some time |
| 10:15.00 | DJJeff | lmao..... great father winter in orgrimmar left me a boyfriend under that tree |
| 10:15.08 | DJJeff | of hi |
| 10:15.09 | Torhal | ? |
| 10:15.09 | DJJeff | his |
| 10:16.01 | DJJeff | best line to put with this screenshot for my craigslist personals ad |
| 10:16.09 | DJJeff | its lame I know |
| 10:16.12 | DJJeff | but w.e |
| 10:16.27 | DJJeff | so is being anti social in Trade chat |
| 10:16.35 | DJJeff | thats why ppl play games like WoW |
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| 10:42.20 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://16.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kvg538KrKg1qaw3t0o1_500.jpg |
| 10:42.28 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 10:44.34 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/photos/taser-axon-head-mounted-camera/2567262#2567262 <-pool's closed |
| 10:45.45 | Wobin | omg creepy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuKjBIBBAL8&feature=player_embedded |
| 10:45.53 | Wobin | brain eating fungi |
| 10:49.21 | cairnz_ | welcome to planet earth years ago :) |
| 10:51.13 | cairnz_ | Wobin: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Cordyceps.jpg |
| 10:52.06 | Wobin | sure |
| 10:52.12 | Wobin | it doesn't make it any less creepy =P |
| 10:52.21 | cairnz | people eat those fungi |
| 10:52.45 | Wobin | and use it for TCM |
| 10:52.49 | cairnz | you could have been a cordyceps millionaire if you timed it properly :) |
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| 10:53.29 | Wobin | There's talk about how some compound from the fungi can aid against cancer |
| 10:53.52 | ZorbaTHut | 48 quests to Loremaster. |
| 10:53.56 | cairnz | go go" |
| 10:53.58 | cairnz | ! |
| 10:54.43 | Wobin | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8428340.stm |
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| 11:12.04 | Fisker | [12:07:44][Bowfisker] has earned the achievement [Heroic: The Halls of Reflection]! |
| 11:12.04 | Fisker | [12:07:44][Bowfisker] has earned the achievement [The Halls of Reflection]! |
| 11:12.04 | Fisker | [12:07:44][Bowfisker] has earned the achievement [We're Not Retreating; We're Advancing in a Different Direction.]! |
| 11:12.08 | Fisker | Heroics are serious business |
| 11:29.50 | Torhal | Cairenn: About time you had a clue that made me "WTF?" :D |
| 11:29.55 | Cairenn | heh |
| 11:31.02 | Cairenn | we figured that one might stump a few people |
| 11:31.07 | Cairenn | make them work for it a bit |
| 11:31.22 | Torhal | Oh. I got it, but it was the first one to challenge so far :) |
| 11:31.30 | Cairenn | :) |
| 11:31.45 | Cairenn | as we said, none of them were to be /really/ hard |
| 11:32.03 | Cairenn | a lot of it was just to show people around the site to some things they may not be aware of |
| 11:32.11 | Cairenn | plus make it a bit more fun than just a straight signup |
| 11:32.15 | Cairenn | those are boring :p |
| 11:32.16 | Torhal | Aye, definitely a good idea |
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| 11:32.54 | Cairenn | power users/regulars would know most/all of them |
| 11:33.07 | Cairenn | (the locations) |
| 11:33.22 | Cairenn | but people that just come by once in a while ... |
| 11:33.47 | Torhal | :D |
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| 11:49.22 | Polarina | I found it within seconds by typing a word from the clue into the search box. |
| 11:49.37 | Polarina | And I've never seen that addon before. |
| 11:50.24 | Polarina | Well, not directly a word, but a synonym. |
| 11:50.36 | Polarina | A really common one you see on Blizzard's forums. |
| 11:51.41 | Cairenn | :) |
| 11:51.48 | frontendloader | whats this about? |
| 11:52.06 | ZorbaTHut | 24 quests to Loremaster |
| 11:52.20 | Cairenn | the contest on WoWI |
| 11:52.54 | Polarina | frontendloader: You still got a chance to reduce my chances of winning! :D |
| 11:58.11 | frontendloader | well I found one possible answer |
| 11:58.16 | frontendloader | but it looks old >_> |
| 11:59.25 | frontendloader | I probably have to be logged in to see the word huh |
| 12:00.01 | frontendloader | entered :D |
| 12:04.36 | Fisker | you wouldn't ZorbaTHut |
| 12:04.45 | Fisker | also i'll start a smear campaign |
| 12:04.49 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:04.58 | Fisker | "omg teh creator questhelper haven't even completed loremaster lol!" |
| 12:05.02 | Fisker | +of |
| 12:05.51 | Kalroth | so he really haven't tried every single quest in his addon? false advertising!! |
| 12:09.42 | frontendloader | "No wonder these coordinates for Mankrik's wife were so far off" |
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| 12:18.09 | amro | I thought they added a hardcoded ingame waypoint for Makrirk's wife by now |
| 12:18.23 | amro | Mankrik* |
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| 12:24.23 | Wobin | Cairenn, zomg 18 words |
| 12:24.29 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 12:27.11 | Polarina | 19 here. :( |
| 12:27.40 | Wobin | is getting better at making this salad |
| 12:27.48 | Wobin | third time in two months =P |
| 12:27.53 | Wobin | different parties, of course |
| 12:30.02 | amro | it would be a pretty long party otherwise |
| 12:30.06 | amro | without much food either |
| 12:36.10 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:36.15 | Kalroth | amro: they should make a teleport to her, once you accept |
| 12:36.31 | Kalroth | and maybe a HUGE arrow pointing to the spot |
| 12:37.19 | Wobin | nah |
| 12:37.22 | Wobin | that's too vauge |
| 12:37.55 | Wobin | on acceptance of the quest, it should automatically force you to chat "Whar iz Mankik's waf?" in chat |
| 12:38.43 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:39.17 | Fisker | I DIDN'T KILL MY WIFE |
| 12:39.23 | Kalroth | Type the following in /general, /localdefense or /guild to complete this quest: "Wers markirk's wief???" |
| 12:40.00 | Wobin | "Mr Fisker Reiser" =P |
| 12:40.36 | Fisker | There was a harddrive in my house |
| 12:40.40 | Fisker | it had an mechanical arm |
| 12:40.43 | Fisker | you find this harddrive! |
| 12:40.45 | Torhal | FiskerFS? Wouldn't that just change the contents of every file with a random saying? Like, "You wouldn't open a file." or "This is why we can't have nice things." |
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| 12:46.14 | DJJeff | Blackrock Spire: Blackrock Stadium is glitched the gate would not open after the fight |
| 12:47.16 | DJJeff | has earned the achievement [To All The Squirrels I've Loved Before] |
| 12:47.33 | DJJeff | hehehe that one is fun :) |
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| 12:52.10 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.12 | Wobin | and kill stuff too fast |
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| 13:41.04 | Vilkku | what mod would you recommend to manage key bindings of stuff not on action bars? |
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| 13:56.31 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/a-wii-bit-confused/3632 |
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| 14:05.43 | Polarina | I need to implement patrination: set_parent, get_parent, get_siblings. What would be the best method to do so? |
| 14:11.07 | Polarina | No recursive patrinations though. :) - Like a filesystem. |
| 14:32.26 | mikma | so, what's the reason behind the kick not working "properly"? |
| 14:32.40 | mikma | getting "cannot do that yet" when trying to remove a person from instance |
| 14:32.47 | durhan | Polarina: not sure what you mean by the term "patrination" however i would guess that you'd be looking for a tree type data structure |
| 14:32.52 | Fisker | there's a lockout timer on it |
| 14:33.33 | Fisker | But you won't know that :) |
| 14:33.38 | Polarina | durhan: Yes, any recommendations? |
| 14:34.22 | durhan | what language are you using? |
| 14:34.33 | Polarina | Lua... |
| 14:34.35 | Polarina | An addon. |
| 14:38.01 | industrial | ummmmm |
| 14:41.11 | Polarina | Anyone? |
| 14:41.16 | durhan | Polarina: i don't know of a "best" way of doing it per se, but it seems like you could define a generic Node class and then have an array of references to children of type Node |
| 14:41.50 | Polarina | That could work. |
| 14:42.00 | durhan | you'd also need a reference for the parent |
| 14:42.05 | Polarina | Mhm. |
| 14:43.16 | durhan | you'd still have to deal with the fact that this is a recursive structure; however you could make your implementation ignore that fact |
| 14:43.28 | industrial | Polarina: working on it |
| 14:43.31 | industrial | http://gist.github.com/266089 |
| 14:43.35 | industrial | would that work? |
| 14:43.35 | industrial | :p |
| 14:43.43 | industrial | oh, need to add data |
| 14:44.47 | Polarina | industrial: That would work, thanks. :) |
| 14:46.03 | industrial | https://gist.github.com/266089/11d236063b63c3928f46a9c736e30616d93fb233 |
| 14:46.06 | industrial | with dataz |
| 14:47.49 | industrial | oh, you still need to set_parent after add_child |
| 14:48.43 | Polarina | No problem. I'll fix that. Thanks. :) |
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| 14:58.22 | DJJeff | lol @ [kicking nass and takin manes] |
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| 15:09.54 | Wobin | mikma, also, you can't initiate a vote in combat |
| 15:10.22 | Wobin | or, I think if they're not in the instance |
| 15:10.54 | Wobin | hm, but if you're talking about guild, I dunno |
| 15:17.26 | mikma | wobin: but in the instance, not in combat, getting that error is the suck. |
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| 15:56.23 | kd3 | whoo hoo... found a check from the state for $0.45 |
| 15:56.35 | kd3 | wonder if I should even bother depositing it |
| 15:57.06 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. Every bit counts! |
| 15:57.54 | alestane | It will also probably make some state accountant more at ease. |
| 15:58.46 | Lopeppeppy | They do keep track of that crap. |
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| 16:45.13 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:45.16 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 16:45.27 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me, Fisker. |
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| 16:58.47 | kdtresh | Lopeppeppy: how's the kitty? |
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| 17:07.56 | Lopeppeppy | She's wearing her Captain Crazy pants. *sigh* |
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| 17:16.09 | Xinhuan | so, how many addons are there out there now, that can tell me a list of all quests i haven't done before? |
| 17:16.32 | kd3 | everyquest2 is what I'm using |
| 17:16.35 | kd3 | there's probably others |
| 17:16.51 | alestane | Every quest the add-on knows of, that you haven't done, anyway. |
| 17:17.10 | Xinhuan | if people can list more of these addons, i can check them all out hehe |
| 17:17.39 | Xinhuan | i'm not fool enough to think everyquest2 is the only such addon out there |
| 17:18.08 | A-KO | why wouldn't you? |
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| 17:19.30 | Xinhuan | because i think most addons with a list of quests would have used the informatin somehow |
| 17:19.55 | A-KO | maybe only one person decided to code such an addon? |
| 17:21.48 | foxlit | teehee. |
| 17:22.13 | foxlit | The currency scrollframe cheats in a noticeable way |
| 17:22.13 | Lopeppeppy | Everyquest is the only one of that type that I know of... |
| 17:22.58 | foxlit | The item at the top of the visible region always has a black background, even though they pretend it's a continuos scrolling list. |
| 17:25.17 | Xinhuan | btw, kd3 |
| 17:25.23 | Xinhuan | i can't find this "everyquest2" |
| 17:25.30 | Xinhuan | can only find "everyquest" |
| 17:26.07 | Xinhuan | are they the same addon? |
| 17:26.32 | foxlit | Hm, civ4? |
| 17:30.56 | Lopeppeppy | They should be. I didn't know there was a 2 out, personally |
| 17:31.33 | foxlit | Xinhuan: there's a slight barrier to entry: you have to steal some useful data about those quest IDs from somewhere. |
| 17:31.50 | kd3 | xin; ya. dunno where I got the 2 from |
| 17:32.14 | Xinhuan | i'm not intending to write such an addon, i just wished to find out what they are, and use both or more |
| 17:32.29 | Xinhuan | since surely one addon will have a database that contains quests the other might not have |
| 17:32.49 | Xinhuan | i'm a sucker for lore |
| 17:32.50 | Xinhuan | :P |
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| 17:41.52 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/polls/your-level-of-respect-for-wow-classes/ |
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| 17:44.45 | foxlit | http://www.wowace.com/polls/your-level-of-respect-for-wow-classes/?results |
| 17:44.48 | foxlit | How do I read that? |
| 17:44.56 | foxlit | (average) - Class - (Number of votes?) |
| 17:45.03 | ckknight | correct |
| 17:45.07 | foxlit | Yet "Voted on: 2 times"? |
| 17:45.10 | ckknight | caching issue |
| 17:45.15 | ckknight | strange |
| 17:45.20 | ckknight | probably just a score voting oddity |
| 17:45.25 | ckknight | it'll clear up in a few minutes regardless |
| 17:49.02 | Fisker | slaps ckknight around a bit with a large trout |
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| 17:51.39 | ckknight | hey Fisker, what's up? |
| 17:52.04 | Fisker | i slapped you |
| 17:53.02 | Adys | WobWork: for you, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XBzXnpfp2A&feature=related |
| 18:02.31 | EthanCentaurai | thinks Rogues should be deleted and Hunters should have an age restriction. |
| 18:02.50 | foxlit | I wonder if any of this is still relevant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Requests_For_Comment |
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| 18:25.44 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:39.06 | alestane | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling ...um. |
| 18:44.44 | kd3 | hm. my new toys arrived at the ups distro center south of town at 12:17. wonder if they'll show today? |
| 18:44.52 | kd3 | whee at the eta of some time next year, though |
| 18:45.15 | Adys | Django devs are the definition of vegetables |
| 18:45.21 | NeoTron | kd3: unlikely. If it arrives at the distro center today it'll be out for delivery tomorrow |
| 18:45.37 | Adys | This guy's arguing django doesn't need a truncate filter because "it can just as well be handled with CSS" |
| 18:45.54 | Adys | he links http://mattsnider.com/css/css-string-truncation-with-ellipsis/ |
| 18:46.04 | Adys | which requires using XUL to have it working in firefox |
| 18:46.42 | Lopeppeppy | finally got her cat to take a nap, can we get a hallelujah? |
| 18:46.43 | Adys | and which obviously doesnt work in IE < 8 |
| 18:47.16 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: I would, but I don't want to wake her up. |
| 18:47.16 | Polarina | Is it possible for addons creating GM tickets, using secure state handlers or something? |
| 18:47.17 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: I'll give you a eljhuhaahll, I'll take care of putting it back in the correct order once she wakes up |
| 18:47.54 | Adys | Polarina: if creating a gm ticket is protected, no |
| 18:47.54 | alestane | Polarina: I don't believe there's a secure action for creating a ticket, no. |
| 18:48.04 | kd3 | polarina, no. afaik the intent is no addon intervention with tickets |
| 18:48.26 | Adys | Polarina: i'm guessing though, you can have an addon create a frame with a ticket template and paste that |
| 18:49.06 | alestane | kd3: I believe the protection was instituted as the result of an add-on that auto-created tickets about people who were insulting or harassing, or AFK in battlegrounds. |
| 18:49.12 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 18:49.16 | kd3 | noSpam whee |
| 18:49.35 | alestane | These tickets burdened the GM system and made it difficult for the GMs to assist people with actual problems. |
| 18:49.46 | kd3 | oh yeah. I remember the crying about it |
| 18:50.16 | alestane | They made the Report Spam option instead, which I believe add-ons are able to invoke. |
| 18:50.16 | Polarina | I am talking about the user creating a ticket, manually, using a custom addon. |
| 18:50.31 | Polarina | Just like the default UI, but with custom addon code. |
| 18:50.50 | Adys | which would do what exactly? |
| 18:50.53 | alestane | Polarina: I still think they want to avoid making it too easy, such as creating a ticket with preset text. |
| 18:50.58 | kd3 | you can stick text in the ticket window but the user has to hit send |
| 18:51.05 | kd3 | or not |
| 18:51.07 | Polarina | kd3: Exactly. |
| 18:51.29 | Adys | its likely possible but youd just have to try :) |
| 18:51.34 | alestane | They prefer that you actually think about why you're submitting a ticket, and making it take a minute is one way to encourage that. |
| 18:51.54 | Adys | alestane: more like "we dont want to hire more underpaid gms" |
| 18:51.56 | Polarina | I am fine with a empty textbox. |
| 18:52.07 | mitch0 | torhal: you here? |
| 18:53.02 | mitch0 | not here |
| 18:53.12 | Thunder_Child | ~irc |
| 18:53.13 | purl | somebody said irc was a protocol, aka "Internet Relay Chat". It consisists of IRC servers, and clients. The clients send messages to the servers, which in turn relay the messages to other clients as it sees fit (via a private message, open channel,RAW commands to the server directly). |
| 18:53.19 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 18:53.31 | Polarina | ~polarina |
| 18:53.34 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo irc |
| 18:53.34 | purl | irc -- created by Thunder_Child <n=TC@cpe-76-169-229-41.socal.res.rr.com> at Mon Apr 13 18:12:31 2009 (261 days); last modified at Thu Apr 30 14:43:56 2009 by kadrahil!n=kad@xor.pablotron.org; it has been requested 29 times, last by Thunder_Child, 21s ago. |
| 18:53.59 | Thunder_Child | i need to go kill that person |
| 18:54.07 | kd3 | that bastard |
| 18:54.31 | Thunder_Child | ~logs |
| 18:54.32 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
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| 18:57.06 | Thunder_Child | ~irc |
| 18:57.07 | purl | Welcome to IRC, where the men are men, the women are men and the little girls are FBI agents. |
| 18:57.28 | Thunder_Child | ~irc |
| 18:57.28 | purl | Welcome to IRC, where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents. |
| 18:57.34 | Thunder_Child | thats better |
| 19:00.00 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:00.02 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:00.07 | Fisker | i need myself a nexus one |
| 19:01.44 | foxlit | Civ IV: "Your machine is below recommended specifications" |
| 19:04.55 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/12/darwin_award_candidates_how_to.php |
| 19:06.21 | haste | foxlit: http://beverpung.net/images/stuff/gg-ea.png comes to mind |
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| 19:26.40 | kd3 | oops |
| 19:28.39 | Lopeppeppy | What did you mangle? |
| 19:28.52 | kd3 | just oopsing at the gg-ea fail |
| 19:29.54 | Fisker | The sooner you come to accept your condition as a defect, the sooner you will find yourselves in a position to transcend it. |
| 19:30.00 | Lopeppeppy | negative cpu speed must be hard to come by these days, now that we've retired the snails. |
| 19:32.40 | Fisker | hey haste |
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| 19:35.26 | Thunder_Child | hey Fisker |
| 19:36.26 | Fisker | no Thunder_Child |
| 19:37.27 | Thunder_Child | hey Fisker |
| 19:41.15 | Fisker | Hey Thunder_Child |
| 19:41.44 | Thunder_Child | hey Fisker |
| 19:42.24 | Fisker | Hey Thunder_Child |
| 19:42.51 | p3lim | Is it posible to color a icon string? |
| 19:43.20 | p3lim | or, color a texture |
| 19:43.29 | p3lim | (pure texture, not a texture frame) |
| 19:43.53 | alestane | The structure of your question suggests some confusion in your mind. |
| 19:46.04 | alestane | !api SetVertexColor |
| 19:46.04 | lua_bot | LayeredRegion:SetVertexColor: Sets a color shading for the region's graphics (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/LayeredRegion/SetVertexColor) |
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| 19:47.00 | fathom | does anyone get anything special if i sight them as a Referrer when i set up a WowInterface account? |
| 19:51.08 | Thunder_Child | hey Fisker |
| 19:51.24 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
| 19:53.19 | p3lim | I want to color a texture before using it |
| 19:53.38 | p3lim | though I found a way around it |
| 19:54.56 | alestane | If you set the vertex color on the texture object before calling :SetTexture, that will probably do it. |
| 19:55.41 | Thunder_Child | hey Fisker |
| 19:56.27 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
| 19:57.30 | Thunder_Child | hey Fisker |
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| 20:01.23 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/12/30/funny-pictures-video-kitteh-vs-straw/ |
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| 20:02.51 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/308304666/ |
| 20:03.46 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Did the vet ever call you back? |
| 20:05.20 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/12/30/funny-pictures-its-frickin-cold-over/ |
| 20:07.06 | Arrowmaster | theres no misspelling in that one, so why the hell do the retards in the comments still act like that |
| 20:07.28 | kd3 | because it's ichc? |
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| 20:17.05 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
| 20:18.10 | Fisker | it's the fucking apocalypse Arrowmaster |
| 20:18.23 | Thunder_Child | hey Fisker |
| 20:18.31 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
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| 20:40.31 | jnwhiteh | what the fuck is 'gear score over 2.8' |
| 20:40.42 | jnwhiteh | err 2.8l |
| 20:40.43 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 20:41.43 | Adys | jnwhiteh: it means "I'm a retard, don't join my pug" |
| 20:41.44 | Polarina | loves gamemasters. |
| 20:41.51 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 20:41.54 | Polarina | Why didn't Illidan eat his Christmas dinner? |
| 20:43.21 | smcn | i wish we could /ignore certain class/role combinations for lfd, i'm tired of grouping with dps warriors when i'm healing |
| 20:43.34 | smcn | probably the dumbest group of players in the game |
| 20:43.53 | Polarina | Auto-leave? |
| 20:43.54 | zenzelezz | smcn: heh |
| 20:44.40 | Polarina | I wish there was a separate ignore list for the dungeon finder, I really hate ignoring people, but don't want to play a dungeon with some. |
| 20:45.26 | jnwhiteh | are there any addons that are lightweight and use the new POI system to make questing any easier? |
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| 20:48.39 | Polarina | jnwhiteh: Can questing even get any easier at all? |
| 20:48.53 | jnwhiteh | yes.. |
| 20:48.57 | Polarina | How so? |
| 20:50.13 | ckknight | quest for me kthx |
| 20:50.53 | Polarina | lol |
| 20:50.53 | jnwhiteh | the carbonite quest objective distances, for one |
| 20:50.56 | jnwhiteh | so I can plan my questing path |
| 20:51.42 | Polarina | Are you planning on using Xinhuan's ant colony optimization implementation? :P |
| 20:53.15 | Xinhuan | there's really no substitution for just plain human brain thinking, especially with quest dependencies |
| 20:53.31 | Xinhuan | or a quest being completable in multiple locations |
| 20:53.54 | Polarina | :) |
| 20:54.11 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: hence why i like seeing the distances. |
| 20:54.12 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 20:54.15 | jnwhiteh | so i can plan for myself. |
| 20:54.23 | Xinhuan | the new quest POI will list places you need to go to to complete a quest objective... but if that quest objective has say, 4 parts in 4 distances, it will list only the first objective on the map |
| 20:54.26 | Xinhuan | not the other 3 |
| 20:54.30 | Xinhuan | until you complete the first one |
| 20:54.42 | Xinhuan | 4 locations that is |
| 20:55.06 | Xinhuan | an example would be the zuldrak "daily patrol" |
| 20:55.10 | Xinhuan | daily |
| 20:55.22 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 20:55.39 | Xinhuan | it does actually list the nearest of the 4 though... just not all 4 |
| 20:56.01 | Xinhuan | i noticed the objective location change |
| 20:56.04 | Xinhuan | as i flew |
| 20:56.08 | Xinhuan | which was a surprise |
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| 20:59.40 | Polarina | I want it to list all locations. :( |
| 20:59.56 | Polarina | Maybe it's just the UI that does that, and not the API itself... |
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| 21:08.29 | Thunder_Child | hey Fisker |
| 21:08.31 | jnwhiteh | the API is.. not accessible really |
| 21:08.33 | jnwhiteh | but yeah |
| 21:13.09 | Polarina | Not accessible? |
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| 21:16.58 | jnwhiteh | there's an API to update the icons.. that's about it |
| 21:17.02 | jnwhiteh | getting information about them isn't easy |
| 21:17.04 | Polarina | Lame. |
| 21:17.20 | Polarina | I hate Blizzard's UI Developers, I really do. |
| 21:17.31 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 21:17.41 | jnwhiteh | yes, because they make the decisions about what to expose and what not to |
| 21:17.46 | jnwhiteh | hint, they don't. |
| 21:17.56 | Polarina | There is absolutely no reason not to expose that information. |
| 21:18.10 | jnwhiteh | and they dont' make that decision |
| 21:18.12 | jnwhiteh | so stop hating on them. |
| 21:18.17 | jnwhiteh | you don't know what conversation happened. |
| 21:18.24 | Polarina | Ok, ok. |
| 21:18.32 | Polarina | What conversation? |
| 21:18.36 | jnwhiteh | jesus. |
| 21:18.40 | jnwhiteh | ui developers develop the ui |
| 21:18.44 | Polarina | Oh. |
| 21:18.48 | jnwhiteh | ther'es a level above them |
| 21:18.53 | jnwhiteh | that makes the decisions about what happens int he game |
| 21:18.54 | Polarina | :( |
| 21:18.55 | jnwhiteh | the game designers |
| 21:18.55 | Adys | jnwhiteh: i doubt the marketing guys decide "Make sure addon authors can't get <this> from ingame" |
| 21:19.03 | jnwhiteh | and they, more often than not, are the ones who decide what information is exposed and what isn't. |
| 21:19.10 | jnwhiteh | Adys: no, the game designers always have. |
| 21:19.11 | Arrowmaster | its the game designers that make those decisions, the guys that have probably never written a single line of code for the game, just decide how its going to be and come up with damage and other equations |
| 21:19.26 | Adys | jnwhiteh: Most of the time its related to "Do we need it in our own UI API" |
| 21:19.30 | jnwhiteh | and there _are_ reasons not to expose it. |
| 21:19.40 | jnwhiteh | Adys: that's a completely different dsicussion |
| 21:19.44 | Polarina | jnwhiteh: What reasons? |
| 21:19.44 | jnwhiteh | this is about preventing botting |
| 21:19.47 | jnwhiteh | plain and simple |
| 21:19.53 | Adys | Im talking in general |
| 21:19.57 | jnwhiteh | I suspect, and ahve good reason to believe this. |
| 21:20.03 | Polarina | How can you even do botting with an addon? |
| 21:20.12 | jnwhiteh | Polarina: please just stop. |
| 21:20.19 | Polarina | No, I am serious. |
| 21:20.19 | jnwhiteh | I don't want to explain it to you. |
| 21:20.42 | jnwhiteh | I don't think you're kidding |
| 21:20.45 | jnwhiteh | but I don't want to explain it to you. |
| 21:20.49 | Polarina | Ok. |
| 21:20.51 | jnwhiteh | An addon can assist a botter, INCREDIBLY |
| 21:20.54 | Adys | Polarina: you can expose data with an addon more easily |
| 21:21.07 | jnwhiteh | and PLAYERS dont need that informatino |
| 21:21.10 | Adys | and you can also make it accessible from ingame |
| 21:21.13 | jnwhiteh | we have everything we need |
| 21:21.20 | jnwhiteh | so why would they open up another bot-hole |
| 21:21.22 | jnwhiteh | they wouldn't. |
| 21:21.31 | Adys | jnwhiteh: whats it about anyway? |
| 21:21.40 | jnwhiteh | what's _what_ about? |
| 21:21.52 | Adys | this discussion |
| 21:21.54 | Adys | what feature? |
| 21:22.01 | jnwhiteh | quest pois |
| 21:22.37 | Adys | ah |
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| 21:22.53 | Adys | to be fully honest |
| 21:23.02 | Adys | I dont think they care about quests anymore |
| 21:23.19 | Adys | at some point they'll just add them to NPCs "I have a quest! I'll complete it for you, just say yes" |
| 21:23.28 | jnwhiteh | i don't. |
| 21:23.29 | Polarina | lol |
| 21:23.44 | JamesJr | Why is it that Auctioneer will only scan if WoW is the active window? It used to be able to do it in the background while I surfed. Now, if I switch to my browser, it stops scanning? |
| 21:23.48 | Adys | at least it would "fix" all the quests "Talk to that dude sitting next to me" |
| 21:23.49 | Polarina | Adys: They would take that even further one day. |
| 21:23.57 | jnwhiteh | JamesJr: a change to OnUpdates, inadvertent. |
| 21:23.59 | kd3 | james; it's not just auctioneer. it's all addons |
| 21:24.05 | jnwhiteh | will be reverted at some point |
| 21:24.30 | Adys | when was that change? 3.3? |
| 21:24.32 | JamesJr | So...there is no fix at this time and it is not just me? |
| 21:24.32 | Polarina | Isn't there an API to get the entire auction house? |
| 21:24.34 | jnwhiteh | 3.3 |
| 21:24.37 | jnwhiteh | there's no fi |
| 21:24.48 | NeoTron | I always just do /auc getall |
| 21:24.55 | Adys | Polarina: limited serverside by throttles and co |
| 21:24.57 | JamesJr | Does that work? |
| 21:24.58 | Lopeppeppy | no fix, and it's not just you, and it's not just auctioneer it's all addons |
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| 21:30.06 | Polarina | local a a = a |
| 21:30.07 | Polarina | :D |
| 21:35.34 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.00 | Polarina | There's no reason not to use it. :) |
| 21:36.47 | Nechckn | We only keep the "slow" as the default since a lot of folks have either older machines or poor connections, so they cannot use GetAll |
| 21:36.53 | Nechckn | It will D/C on them |
| 21:37.18 | Nechckn | But, yeah, if you do not care about the seller names, GetAll is the way to go |
| 21:37.20 | Arrowmaster | theres also the name resolver cache issue |
| 21:37.33 | Nechckn | yep |
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| 21:58.54 | bleeter | damn apparently the thread's been deleted: |
| 21:58.56 | bleeter | "Oh noes help me Blizzard. My brother is an escaped convict and he logged in to wow to threaten me. The police in my area don't even know what lol means. Can I have my brothers IP address? " |
| 22:00.06 | Lopeppeppy | um, no, bye bye! |
| 22:01.54 | bleeter | I'm guessing there's some small amount of brainwave activity going on here 'If the developers were born yesterday then maybe the GMs...' |
| 22:02.23 | Lopeppeppy | Are more gullible than my grandmother, who would tell me to shove off. |
| 22:02.25 | Polarina | There are people that were born tomorrow. |
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| 22:23.24 | Fisker | lol jnwhiteh |
| 22:23.31 | Fisker | nexus one rooted even before release ;_; |
| 22:34.17 | Dagmar | I'm sorry, was that supposed to be impossible? |
| 22:34.53 | Dagmar | Actually, it wasn't even supposed to be _hard_, fool. |
| 22:35.15 | Dagmar | I suppose next you'll get excited about people starting cars with "keys" |
| 22:35.47 | Adys | ckknight: by the way, you'll be happy |
| 22:35.55 | Adys | django 1.2 introduces smart if tags |
| 22:36.04 | Adys | {% if foo > 1 %} ... |
| 22:36.13 | Adys | {% if foo != bar %} |
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| 22:54.35 | Mikk | hmmmm wait wait i'ev seen that before somewhere.... |
| 22:54.39 | Mikk | oh yeah wait |
| 22:54.49 | Mikk | it's liek every inline web page programming language there is! |
| 22:55.30 | amro | Adys: {% if foo|length > 100}...{% endif %} |
| 22:55.50 | Adys | yep. |
| 22:55.52 | Fisker | http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-us-record-of/60353 <-game for Mikk ! |
| 22:57.58 | Lopeppeppy | wants a game. |
| 22:58.03 | Lopeppeppy | wants a sane cat more. |
| 22:58.35 | Mikk | Fisker: bwhaha awesome |
| 22:58.57 | Mikk | but only if there aren't any blurred pixelcovers in the actual game! |
| 22:59.35 | WobWork | Fisker: I <3 the bow-chika-wakka-chikka background music |
| 23:00.06 | Mikk | this spiced-up pr0n music |
| 23:00.17 | Mikk | tis* |
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| 23:02.33 | WobWork | yeah |
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| 23:08.04 | Fisker | you wouldn't kill a Fisker WobWork |
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| 23:08.34 | Mikk | orly |
| 23:09.01 | Mikk | Cairenn: can i borrow chanop just for three itty bitty seconds prettyplx with chocolate icing on top? :) |
| 23:09.12 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:09.47 | Mikk | sniffs - teh trust, where has it gone |
| 23:14.48 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Cat still bonkers? |
| 23:18.29 | Adys | Cairenn: can I borrow chanop for a few months? |
| 23:19.04 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:19.11 | Adys | I think Cairenn is a bot |
| 23:19.17 | Cairenn | :p |
| 23:19.43 | Shirik | fembot |
| 23:20.23 | Cairenn | :p |
| 23:20.37 | Adys | I rest my case |
| 23:21.45 | Cairenn | pokes Adys |
| 23:21.57 | Adys | mm. |
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| 23:23.27 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I actually found the magic to put her to sleep for a short time, so I could have dinner. I microwaved my heat pack and then wrapped her up with it in a blanket, papoose style. Fun times. |
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| 23:24.36 | alestane | This is the knitted-up cat and not the intact cat, yes? |
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| 23:25.27 | Fisker | goodnight Cairenn |
| 23:25.31 | WobWork | http://7.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kv5ewzmXwx1qatfy1o1_400.jpg |
| 23:25.32 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 23:25.33 | WobWork | rofl |
| 23:25.34 | Cairenn | night Fisker |
| 23:25.38 | Fisker | no i mean you |
| 23:25.44 | Fisker | takes out a blunt object |
| 23:25.51 | Lopeppeppy | If Moose was being a crack head I'd just throw her in the bathroom. |
| 23:25.54 | Mikk | see? he deserves at least one kick a day to behave |
| 23:25.59 | WobWork | her little sister is awesome |
| 23:25.59 | Mikk | i was just offering my services! |
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| 23:58.10 | Lopeppeppy | I make you ded of cute: http://s29.photobucket.com/albums/c271/jarien/Rosie/December%2030%202009/IMG_0511.jpg |
