| 00:00.15 | cairnz | Shirik: your inverse logarithmic random-generator |
| 00:00.25 | Shirik | mm kinda |
| 00:00.35 | cairnz | care to share the c++ |
| 00:00.47 | Shirik | I haven't written it |
| 00:01.56 | Shirik | The proposed solution is m*e^(2.3026x) for some value of m is proportional to n |
| 00:02.03 | Shirik | but I don't know how to get m |
| 00:03.27 | Shirik | --> math.exp(2.3026) |
| 00:03.27 | batbot | Shirik: > 10.000149071171 |
| 00:03.36 | Shirik | I guess that's it then |
| 00:03.45 | cairnz | you want this for 0-100 ? |
| 00:03.52 | Shirik | m = n / 10? |
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| 00:04.21 | cairnz | no what i mean is you want your random thing to generate numbers between 0-100 ? |
| 00:04.21 | Shirik | I want it for an arbitrary set of numbers |
| 00:04.28 | Shirik | 0 to someting |
| 00:06.11 | Shirik | --> math.exp(1) |
| 00:06.12 | batbot | Shirik: > 2.718281828459 |
| 00:09.17 | cairnz | --> math.random() * math.pow(10,math.random(0,4)) |
| 00:09.17 | batbot | cairnz: > 2.2443914004808 |
| 00:09.25 | cairnz | where 4 is num digits max |
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| 00:10.02 | cairnz | that'll give you a random number between 0 and 10000, change 4 to 3 for 0 - 1000 and 2 for 0 - 100 and 1 for 0 - 10 |
| 00:10.03 | ScytheBlade1 | man wireless N is a mess |
| 00:10.43 | cairnz | running it on 2.4 or 5ghz? |
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| 00:10.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Neither right now, but just in general |
| 00:11.21 | cairnz | neither? |
| 00:11.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Trying to figure out what I want to do with it |
| 00:12.22 | Arrowmaster | well what do you want to do with it? |
| 00:12.58 | Wobin | Make pie |
| 00:13.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Using 802.11n in the 2.4GHz spectrum can take up to 82% of the total available spectrum for a single access point |
| 00:13.06 | ScytheBlade1 | what. |
| 00:13.07 | Lopeppeppy | Clean my living room. |
| 00:13.15 | cairnz | ScytheBlade1 : use 5ghz |
| 00:13.23 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy, a roomba would use wireless, wouldn't it? |
| 00:13.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I would, if this card sucked less and supported that |
| 00:13.34 | cairnz | unsuck and get a new one ? :9 |
| 00:13.45 | ScytheBlade1 | looking to be my only option |
| 00:14.08 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe, Wobin, but it would scare my kitties. |
| 00:14.12 | Arrowmaster | 802.11b/g use 33% of the total available spectrem per access point |
| 00:14.16 | ScytheBlade1 | or I could just be a jerk and take 1/6/11 all for myself |
| 00:14.34 | ScytheBlade1 | run 802.11g on 1, and then the 802.11n on 6 and 11 |
| 00:15.03 | Arrowmaster | you have have dual channel gear? |
| 00:15.07 | cairnz | g on 1, n on 36 :) |
| 00:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | 802.11n uses two channels |
| 00:15.21 | ScytheBlade1 | 40MHz wide channels as opposed to standard 20MHz channels |
| 00:15.43 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ-jv8g1YVI |
| 00:15.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah but can you run both a g and an n from one ap? |
| 00:16.15 | ScytheBlade1 | well, I could, as I have a cardbus wifi card and a PCI card |
| 00:16.30 | cairnz | Shirik: actually it's a bit off since there's still a chance the first math.random generates < 0.1 which means pow(10,1) would result in a number < 1, but it's close to being uniform, and probably as fast as it'll get without getting messy, i guess |
| 00:16.49 | Shirik | hm |
| 00:16.56 | Shirik | I didn't consider that |
| 00:18.09 | Shirik | wait what? |
| 00:18.18 | Shirik | no |
| 00:18.25 | Shirik | m*e^(2.3026x) |
| 00:18.59 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, I do not think my kitties would enjoy to ride. They run from the hand-vac. |
| 00:19.06 | Shirik | problem is that's not bounded right |
| 00:19.13 | cairnz | Shirik: i was referring to my lua :) |
| 00:20.23 | Shirik | I'm betting it's something like |
| 00:20.34 | Shirik | m*(a^(bx)-1) |
| 00:23.13 | Shirik | a == e is attractive because that's easily computable by an FPU |
| 00:23.48 | Shirik | a^(bx) == 2 is preferred for x = 1 |
| 00:24.00 | Shirik | I've got it now |
| 00:24.25 | Shirik | e^b = 2 --> b = ln2 |
| 00:24.54 | Shirik | so it's max * (e^(ln2 * x) - 1) |
| 00:28.22 | Adys | lua>t={0="foo"};t[0] |
| 00:28.45 | Shirik | your codes |
| 00:28.47 | Shirik | they are not valid |
| 00:29.08 | Shirik | First off, t[0] is not a statement |
| 00:29.16 | Shirik | Secondly, 0="foo" needs to be [0]="foo" |
| 00:29.20 | Shirik | Thirdly, lua_bot isn't here |
| 00:32.04 | Yssaril | what happend to luabot? |
| 00:32.27 | Arrowmaster | poke clad |
| 00:33.29 | Lopeppeppy | He had to restart wowprogramming... last night? This morning? And he's on vacation. |
| 00:41.46 | Kraps | haha i beat getting knocked off the server to come back and slam anub to the ground |
| 00:42.07 | Kraps | also got essence of gossamer |
| 01:02.46 | ScytheBlade1 | fun spam comment: "your theme is giving me php errors?" on a perl powered site |
| 01:06.00 | Jerub | have new icc bosses been released? |
| 01:06.44 | Jerub | Kraps: oh, AN, not ToC boss #5. |
| 01:06.56 | Kraps | ya |
| 01:07.12 | Jerub | if you're pleased about that trinket you must've missed brewfest. |
| 01:07.46 | Jerub | i had a dps in a heroic say "zz bear without stam trinkets lol" the other day, because i chose to use dodge trinkets instead of the +170 stamina brewfest ones. |
| 01:08.18 | Jerub | nevermind, i have the juggernaut's vitality now :) |
| 01:12.20 | Jerub | heh, i wonder how that happened. |
| 01:12.29 | Jerub | i didn't realise my bear outgears my tree. |
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| 01:18.40 | Wobin | zzbear? |
| 01:18.52 | Wobin | is that like... ZZTop, but fuzzy? |
| 01:19.21 | Adys | Wobin: ? |
| 01:19.39 | Adys | o |
| 01:19.40 | Adys | oh |
| 01:20.03 | Adys | I thought you meant http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/43362/zzoldglyph-of-the-bear-cub/ |
| 01:20.59 | Torhal | Wobin: I challenge you... |
| 01:21.04 | Torhal | ...to a game of Horseshoes! |
| 01:22.48 | Wobin | Torhal, are we targetting age groups here? =P |
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| 01:24.17 | Torhal | Wobin: Huh? I was just being random. |
| 01:36.07 | Lopeppeppy | If we make the horseshoes into grenades, CAN we target age groups? pretty please? |
| 01:53.56 | mikma | is there any reason to do the Ravenholdt quests? |
| 01:54.10 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 01:54.14 | Dagmar | Arr pee |
| 01:54.22 | Lopeppeppy | Says the rogue who tried so hard to believe there was one. |
| 01:54.23 | Dagmar | Obsessive faction whoring |
| 01:54.41 | Lopeppeppy | With no reward whatsoever. |
| 01:54.44 | foxlit | They exist. You need more reasons? |
| 01:55.02 | Dagmar | You have reached Exalted with Ravenholdt! Achievement earned! "What the hell is the matter with you?" (10 points) |
| 01:56.14 | mikma | well |
| 01:56.28 | mikma | Insane in the membrane(?) is a achievement that requires that one to be exalted |
| 01:56.44 | mikma | but, there's no point of doing that shit just for the giggles, right? |
| 01:57.26 | Lopeppeppy | Only if you want the giggles, mikma. |
| 01:57.50 | Lopeppeppy | As the achievement says, it's insane. |
| 01:59.23 | cbreak | someone who had that applied to our guild |
| 01:59.38 | Lopeppeppy | Well, you know they've put in a lot of hours. |
| 01:59.49 | cbreak | it really is insane |
| 02:01.13 | Lopeppeppy | Insane is as insane does, dear. |
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| 02:09.23 | Brontarr | Hey guys, it's my first time doing any sort of LUA scripting (I've done some python, html, css, etc, so I'm not completely new), and I'm trying to cut and paste a bit of a script together. I found "Looter" on the CurseForge site, and it seems like a fairly good addon, but I've wanted to add an auto-looting feature for all quest items, rather than manually adding them to the database. I also looked at "Magnet" that had this feature, so I tried to copy pa |
| 02:13.20 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear. Copy pasta rarely works the way you want it to. |
| 02:13.40 | Lopeppeppy | And if you don't understand what you're copying and pasting, you may not have gotten everything you need. |
| 02:14.08 | Lopeppeppy | You should post up your code with the pastey in the topic, if anyone can help, they'll let you know. |
| 02:14.25 | Brontarr | Alright, thanks. |
| 02:16.18 | Brontarr | Should I paste the link? |
| 02:16.50 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, and if anyone can help, they'll let you know. But it is Sunday night, after all. :) |
| 02:17.07 | Brontarr | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/130721 , and it's Monday morning for me (: |
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| 02:17.31 | Brontarr | If I've overlooked something insanely stupid, feel free to call me an idiot. |
| 02:18.39 | Lopeppeppy | It's likely that you just didn't copy enough. I do assume you intend to provide credit to the original authors when you've completed your project? |
| 02:19.16 | Brontarr | Well it'll be a personal project for myself, but I will also be having credit given inside the script and in the loading text, yes. |
| 02:19.49 | Lopeppeppy | Very good -- code does have copyrights, ya know. |
| 02:20.05 | Brontarr | nods |
| 02:20.16 | Lopeppeppy | If no one perks up to help you right now, stop back a few more times, the population comes and goes. |
| 02:21.37 | Brontarr | Well, from my experience with IRC, I've received more of a response than I usually do, thanks for any help anyone provides in advance, and thanks for your time Lope (: |
| 02:22.22 | foxlit | note that you were cut off at "to copy pa" so nobody heard what your actual problem was :) |
| 02:23.01 | Brontarr | Ahh right, didn't see that as Pidgin has a larger restriction on message lengths. |
| 02:23.24 | Brontarr | "at "Magnet" that had this feature, so I tried to copy paste a little bit of data from Magnet to Looter to try and include this feature. Could I post a pastebin link here so someone could lend a hand? (:" |
| 02:23.33 | Brontarr | Basically the issue is that it's just not looting quest items. |
| 02:27.11 | foxlit | Hm. Not all quest items are actually marked as quest items for the purposes of subtype, so you should check whether that is indeed the case. You should also check whether your code runs at all, potentially by adding debugging print statements to it. |
| 02:27.52 | Brontarr | Well it manages to auto-loot gold. |
| 02:28.12 | Brontarr | And how would I go about checking whether or not they're marked as Quest? |
| 02:30.48 | Brontarr | I'll add a debug print for after the quest items part, thanks for that advice. |
| 02:31.34 | Tuller | today I learned that there is a tracy morgan/bruce willis buddy cop movie coming out this year, and this thought entertains me |
| 02:32.19 | Dagmar | Hmm.... Ten bucks to watch Bruce Willis repeatedly smack Tracy morgan? |
| 02:32.25 | Dagmar | That sounds like fune |
| 02:32.29 | Dagmar | s/fune/fun/; |
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| 02:37.42 | Tuller | perhaps, I just went though and made a list of, "things I think I want to see this year" |
| 02:39.52 | Ancu | ahhh addon updates |
| 02:45.42 | Brontarr | Added debug comments to my looting addon, it displays them when looting money, but when there are quest items in the mobs loot window, no such messages are mentioned for quest items. |
| 02:46.28 | Adys | show some code |
| 02:46.36 | Adys | pastey.net |
| 02:47.08 | Ancu | ~seen zorbathut |
| 02:47.10 | purl | zorbathut is currently on #wowuidev (5h 16m 6s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 3h 21s, last said: 'and goddamn I wish the OS designers would get on top of that already'. |
| 02:47.11 | Brontarr | i'll update my pastey from before to reflect the new changes |
| 02:48.07 | Brontarr | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/130722 (: |
| 02:48.19 | ZorbaTHut | what what |
| 02:48.50 | Ancu | What chages have you made to QH since 3.3 |
| 02:48.54 | Adys | uhgh indent |
| 02:49.14 | ZorbaTHut | ancu, not a whole lot honestly. a few small tweaks and bugfixes. |
| 02:49.20 | Adys | Brontarr: just fyi you can use print() instead of DCF:AM |
| 02:49.36 | Adys | (and fyi #2 you dont need all those semicolons) |
| 02:49.57 | Brontarr | Ahh alright, thanks for that heads up. For the majority of it this isn't my coding, this is just an addon I found and wanted to add some more too |
| 02:49.57 | Adys | So whats not working exactly? |
| 02:50.32 | Brontarr | Well it's failing to loot quest items, and now I've noticed it's also failing to loot items that are green + |
| 02:50.45 | Brontarr | Which is an issue with the rarity line I assume, which I haven't had a look at much yet. |
| 02:51.06 | Adys | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage "Looting rare item." |
| 02:51.09 | Adys | this is valid syntax? |
| 02:51.47 | mikma | should be, haste uses it |
| 02:51.58 | Adys | luhaste |
| 02:52.06 | Adys | the guy's got his own language |
| 02:52.11 | Brontarr | Well, it prints a message when looting gold as 'Looting moneys.' and it's exactly the same for that, bar the printed text, so yeah. |
| 02:52.32 | Yssaril | Adys yea as long as your passing just one arg you dont need the ( ) for functions (i think) |
| 02:53.19 | Adys | ugh. |
| 02:53.41 | Iriel | Yssaril: that only works if the arg is a literal string, and it's a horrible stylistic thing to do IMHO |
| 02:53.49 | Dagmar | Agrred. |
| 02:54.06 | Ancu | so does the incompleat quest take into account things like rep and previous quest in the chain? |
| 02:54.21 | Yssaril | Iriel: i though i saw it done with tables as well (agreed about the horrible style) |
| 02:54.33 | Adys | Brontarr: im not seeing it. is LootSlot protected or something? |
| 02:54.42 | Iriel | Oh yes, works with literal tables too |
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| 02:54.55 | Brontarr | Adys: I shouldn't think so. |
| 02:55.13 | Brontarr | Is the scripting with the quest item check wrong? |
| 02:55.40 | Adys | not obviously at least |
| 02:55.52 | Adys | and if the message print its not the check the issue |
| 02:56.10 | Brontarr | Well the message doesn't print for the quest item |
| 02:56.15 | Brontarr | So far only gold when it's looted |
| 02:56.15 | Ancu | zorbathut: so does the incomplete quest take into account things like rep and previous quest in the chain? |
| 02:56.43 | ZorbaTHut | ancu, no, I don't have that data gathered at the moment. it'll be a good chunk of code to do so |
| 02:56.44 | Adys | Brontarr: itemSubType is a number Im guessing then |
| 02:57.12 | Adys | Brontarr: try == 12 |
| 02:57.26 | ZorbaTHut | I'm sorta cutting down on QH work again, I got too much other stuff queued up |
| 02:57.26 | Brontarr | Adys: Alrighty, would i need to change it from being a string? |
| 02:57.37 | Ancu | kk, are you planing on implementing it? or is it gona be a wayside thing? |
| 02:57.40 | Adys | elseif (string.lower(itemSubType) == "quest") then |
| 02:57.41 | Adys | change that to |
| 02:57.49 | Adys | elseif itemSubType == 12 then |
| 02:57.58 | Brontarr | alright |
| 02:58.23 | Adys | hint for later, print your stuff before you compare it |
| 02:58.33 | Adys | particularly if you're not sure what it is |
| 02:58.56 | Ancu | zorbathut: kk, are you planing on implementing it? or is it gona be a wayside thing? |
| 02:59.02 | Brontarr | Quite probably a good idea, yeah (: |
| 02:59.09 | Adys | saves time |
| 02:59.30 | Brontarr | Now to find some more mobs that drop quest items.. |
| 03:00.02 | ZorbaTHut | ancu, *shrug* I might eventually, I might not eventually. Right now I don't really have immediate plans for it. |
| 03:00.20 | ZorbaTHut | I'd like to get the data gathering code in place before Cataclysm, but honestly if I started gathering data right now it might not be ready before Cataclysm hits |
| 03:00.44 | Brontarr | Adys: No luck. |
| 03:00.48 | Ancu | true enough. Okay, just checking |
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| 03:02.58 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: you can get the previous quest in chain through the caches |
| 03:03.29 | ZorbaTHut | adys, how? |
| 03:03.39 | kaiden | heya all, anyone happen to know a quest addon that lets you see the quests that your friends have (i understand they would need to run it too) i'm just curious so i can set it up on my brother's system so i can help him with quests |
| 03:03.42 | Adys | reverse lookup on followup column |
| 03:03.44 | Ancu | adys: the data he needs is what quest needs to be compleated for the quest |
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| 03:03.56 | ZorbaTHut | oh, through the stored cache files? |
| 03:03.57 | ZorbaTHut | yeah that's useless |
| 03:04.00 | ZorbaTHut | I can't do anything with those. |
| 03:04.09 | Ancu | unless I miss understand the statment |
| 03:04.10 | Adys | admittedly not all of them are there, but most |
| 03:04.17 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: why not? |
| 03:04.30 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* how do I go about getting them? |
| 03:04.34 | Brontarr | Kaiden: You could do that providing you both have Questhelper, and are in the same party. Should show you his quests in your quest tracking list. |
| 03:04.37 | ZorbaTHut | people have enough trouble with "go and send your QH data" |
| 03:04.37 | Adys | you ask me kindly |
| 03:04.53 | ZorbaTHut | I don't want to tell them to muck about in their directory structure and send two files :P |
| 03:05.11 | ZorbaTHut | plus, assuming this is the same data wowhead et al use, it's incomplete. I can do better. :) |
| 03:05.15 | kaiden | yeah i would rather not use a large addon like questhelper |
| 03:05.32 | Ancu | kaiden: default ui shows you how many in your party have the quest |
| 03:05.35 | kaiden | that takes up a ton of memory (he has a crapy computer) |
| 03:05.50 | kaiden | Ancu, yes but that is providing he and i are in the same quests |
| 03:06.01 | kaiden | I just want to see his quests so i can tell him which to do |
| 03:06.02 | kaiden | and what to do on them |
| 03:06.33 | Ancu | tell him to get lightheaded and questhelper. with the two you cant lose |
| 03:06.48 | kaiden | like i said before, his computer is a pos |
| 03:06.51 | kaiden | he can't run it |
| 03:07.00 | kaiden | it takes up too many resources |
| 03:07.14 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: sec |
| 03:07.47 | mikma | kaiden: builtin system, go! |
| 03:07.58 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: http://paste2.org/p/582458 |
| 03:08.04 | Adys | every single quest and their follow up |
| 03:08.11 | kaiden | mikma, there is no built in system that lets me see his quests |
| 03:08.15 | kaiden | that i know of |
| 03:08.37 | Brontarr | Adys: No luck with your solution, unfortunately ;( |
| 03:08.39 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: its complete, but wow only stores followups which show when you complete the quest |
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| 03:08.53 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, it's helpful. I might plug that in. however I can guarantee you that it is imperfect - there's cases with complex followups that that doesn't represent |
| 03:08.53 | Adys | so if you do a quest, and then run off to another town to get the followup its not shown |
| 03:09.00 | Adys | :) |
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| 03:09.02 | ZorbaTHut | still, I might toss that in as being better-than-nothing |
| 03:09.14 | Adys | be wary some quests have multiple followups |
| 03:09.17 | Adys | er |
| 03:09.22 | Adys | multiple reverse followups |
| 03:10.54 | ZorbaTHut | mind if I send you a message, btw? |
| 03:11.09 | Adys | sure? |
| 03:11.09 | mikma | yes |
| 03:11.20 | Adys | mikma: lick my zipper |
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| 03:14.38 | mikma | oh dear, alar is still coding addons |
| 03:16.09 | Wobin | =( |
| 03:16.17 | Wobin | I admire his tenacity |
| 03:16.25 | Wobin | But despise his methods |
| 03:17.15 | mikma | i admire koalas |
| 03:17.18 | Ancu | did I mention yet that I hate dialup? |
| 03:17.32 | Brontarr | Ancu: That would go without saying :o |
| 03:19.11 | Ancu | on the other hand, I am glad to have my iv back, even if it is still a slow drip |
| 03:19.21 | Kraps | holy crap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtyPx_ruN5Q&feature=player_embedded |
| 03:29.35 | Adys | I dont know how people can stand mplayer |
| 03:29.45 | Adys | yet I still need it installed for some formats vlc handles shittily |
| 03:30.02 | Brontarr | Only thing i've seen VLC not handle so far is .mid |
| 03:31.20 | Adys | its not only formats it doesnt handle |
| 03:31.26 | Adys | mkv support is terriblish |
| 03:31.51 | Brontarr | For subs 'n such? |
| 03:32.05 | Adys | no |
| 03:32.07 | Adys | sound, seeking |
| 03:32.15 | Brontarr | Ah, right |
| 03:33.39 | Brontarr | Adys: Your solution to the problem didn't seem to work :( |
| 03:33.41 | Ancu | The day before game patch |
| 03:33.42 | Ancu | I cried in my bed. |
| 03:33.42 | Ancu | Hours of nothing |
| 03:33.42 | Ancu | but downloads ahead |
| 03:33.42 | Ancu | The bits come down slowly |
| 03:33.42 | Ancu | It may now restart |
| 03:33.43 | Ancu | If even a second |
| 03:33.45 | Ancu | My connection should drop |
| 03:33.59 | Ancu | to the tune of away in the manger |
| 03:34.10 | Adys | Brontarr: cant really help Im afraid |
| 03:34.57 | Brontarr | Adys: Would there be some way to make the client display a list of things that had dropped with their respective subtype? |
| 03:35.04 | Brontarr | Or even just display the subtypes in order |
| 03:35.12 | Ancu | Thats I am so gona put that song on my face book |
| 03:35.18 | Adys | Brontarr: just /print it |
| 03:35.57 | Arrowmaster | Adys: try smplayer |
| 03:36.07 | Adys | I have it sucks just as hard |
| 03:36.56 | Arrowmaster | works great for me, only issue i have with it is the automatic language/sub selection |
| 03:37.19 | Brontarr | Don't quite catch you with the /print it thing, Adys. |
| 03:37.30 | Arrowmaster | issue being it always turns on english subs when i put in a dvd |
| 03:37.31 | Adys | Brontarr: print(subType) |
| 03:41.03 | kaiden | Does anyone know the frame name of the frame that appears at the top middle of the screen that shows zone quest details. Like it was used in Silithus to show control, it's showed in Arathi Basin to show who has which farms, in Warsong Gulch to show how many flags each side has? |
| 03:41.25 | Adys | isnt it worldstatesomething? |
| 03:41.30 | Adys | worldpvpframe maybe |
| 03:41.41 | Adys | in any case GetMouseCursor():GetName() |
| 03:41.45 | Adys | er |
| 03:41.52 | Adys | GetMouseFocus() |
| 03:41.53 | kaiden | that only works if the frame intercepts mouse clicks |
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| 03:41.58 | kaiden | that one doesn't sadly |
| 03:42.00 | Adys | yeah, doesnt it? |
| 03:42.01 | Adys | bah |
| 03:42.45 | kaiden | i've also tried spew to find it, and /framestack to find it's name |
| 03:43.13 | Adys | tried looking for it? =P wowprogramming.com |
| 03:43.55 | kaiden | hard to look for it when you dont know the name :P i've searched google for a lot of different things like world pvp info panel and the such |
| 03:44.33 | kaiden | found it i think, thanks for wowprogramming.com |
| 03:44.35 | Kraps | win http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_races_in_the_Mass_Effect_universe |
| 03:44.36 | kaiden | never seen that site |
| 03:44.36 | kaiden | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetWorldStateUIInfo |
| 03:45.01 | kd3 | how has the anti-gaming brigade not deleted that for being fancruft yet? |
| 03:45.19 | kaiden | Adys, now i just have to figure out what the frame name is called to be able to move it |
| 03:45.30 | Adys | worldstatesomething |
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| 03:45.57 | Adys | try WorldStateFrame |
| 03:46.00 | Ginji | Torchlight is awesome! |
| 03:46.09 | kaiden | Ginji, just bought it it's pretty cool |
| 03:46.35 | Kraps | yeah it is |
| 03:47.11 | Ginji | and for â¬4 it's a real bargain |
| 03:48.44 | Ginji | Time for Top Gear |
| 03:49.57 | kaiden | Adys, thanks i found it, it's the world state flags frame |
| 03:50.10 | Adys | :) |
| 03:50.28 | kaiden | just can't move it til i get into an instance with it again hehe |
| 03:50.48 | Adys | try silithus |
| 03:51.00 | Brontarr | Or Hellfire Peninsula |
| 03:53.15 | Iriel | or EPL |
| 03:53.21 | Wobin | Torchlight is great |
| 03:53.33 | Iriel | Indeed it's mindless fun |
| 03:53.39 | Iriel | Pity their cat sounds nothing like a cat |
| 03:53.51 | Brontarr | I never really heard the cat make any noises |
| 03:53.58 | Dagmar | It's a Monty Haul game that's been refined about five times now |
| 03:54.08 | Iriel | It goes 'meeeeeuuugh' occasionally |
| 03:54.13 | Wobin | yeah, I got so annoyed at the cat |
| 03:54.17 | Dagmar | The pet typically doesn't spend a lot of time in it's original form |
| 03:54.18 | Wobin | I switched it for the dog |
| 03:54.25 | Wobin | or transformed it permanently into a mimic |
| 03:54.29 | Brontarr | Turning it into a mimic israd |
| 03:54.31 | Wobin | (and called it Luggage) |
| 03:54.33 | Dagmar | mimics rock |
| 03:54.33 | Brontarr | is rad* |
| 03:55.25 | Wobin | Kraps, what's so win about the list of races? |
| 03:55.44 | Kraps | Wobin: the fact that its there |
| 03:56.08 | Brontarr | Stupid question: what's the equivelant of 'is not equal to' in LUA? is it != ? |
| 03:57.25 | Wobin | ~= |
| 03:57.35 | Wobin | not stupid at all =) |
| 03:57.44 | Brontarr | (: thanks Wobin |
| 03:59.21 | Brontarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.21 | Brontarr | GetItemInfo() |
| 03:59.21 | Brontarr | print(itemSubType) |
| 03:59.21 | Brontarr | is the GetItemInfo bit unneccecary? |
| 03:59.57 | Wobin | yes |
| 04:00.05 | Wobin | because you're not assigning the result of that call anywhere |
| 04:00.25 | Brontarr | What should it be, then? |
| 04:00.37 | Wobin | well it depends on what you're after |
| 04:00.57 | Wobin | do you just want to print the itemSubType? |
| 04:01.12 | Brontarr | yeah, of all the items in the loot window of the current mob |
| 04:01.22 | Wobin | then remove the line with GetItemInfo completely |
| 04:01.42 | Brontarr | And that's it? |
| 04:01.49 | Wobin | well, not really |
| 04:01.54 | Wobin | but it's not doing anything at the moment |
| 04:02.24 | Wobin | and all that'll do is print whatever numbers itemSubType is going to result in |
| 04:02.30 | Brontarr | Well shouldn't the print function be displaying the list? |
| 04:02.40 | Wobin | with no identification as to what it's referring to |
| 04:02.49 | Wobin | no, you're asking it to print itemSubType |
| 04:02.54 | Wobin | which in this case -isn't- 12 |
| 04:03.52 | Wobin | (what it -is- is left as an exercise as to whatever you assigned to the variable earlier =)) |
| 04:04.24 | Brontarr | Well I havn't used the variable so far so. :P |
| 04:04.47 | Wobin | have you assigned it? |
| 04:05.16 | Brontarr | Not outside of that, no ;x |
| 04:05.31 | Wobin | well, there's no actual assignation in those three lines |
| 04:05.44 | Wobin | so itemSubType will always be nil |
| 04:05.59 | Wobin | (or if it's used as a global elsewhere, whatever it is assigned there) |
| 04:06.07 | Brontarr | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/130723 |
| 04:06.15 | Brontarr | That's the whole script so far |
| 04:06.37 | Wobin | well see, you -did- assign it in line 25 |
| 04:06.39 | Wobin | er 24 |
| 04:06.58 | Brontarr | Right, then |
| 04:07.05 | Brontarr | So i need to call GetItemInfo? |
| 04:07.19 | Brontarr | And then print off the resulting itemSubType? |
| 04:07.27 | Wobin | well you -have- |
| 04:07.29 | Adys | GetItemInfo returns info about the item |
| 04:07.32 | Adys | it doesnt query it |
| 04:07.46 | Brontarr | Ah alright |
| 04:07.49 | Adys | in order for GII to work, the item needs to already have been loaded into cache |
| 04:07.52 | Wobin | line 24 stores the info about the item in the variables you set up |
| 04:08.00 | Adys | which will be the case for any item you loot |
| 04:08.11 | Brontarr | So, what am I missing, then? |
| 04:08.22 | Wobin | is itemSubType a number? |
| 04:08.35 | Brontarr | Uhh. Maybe :P |
| 04:09.20 | Wobin | subclass - Localized name of the item's subclass/subtype (as in the list returned by GetAuctionItemSubClasses()) (string) |
| 04:10.09 | Wobin | Just have it print out itemSubClass no matter what it is |
| 04:10.17 | Wobin | and you'll see what sort of value you're expecting |
| 04:10.27 | Wobin | er itemSubType |
| 04:10.38 | Brontarr | So I have to change the first line of that, then? |
| 04:11.04 | Wobin | just put print(itemSubType) in between lines 29 and 30 |
| 04:11.23 | Wobin | and loot something |
| 04:12.02 | Brontarr | Alrighty, time to test |
| 04:14.01 | Brontarr | Right, it's a word value. |
| 04:14.07 | Brontarr | :S Word value? |
| 04:14.08 | Brontarr | String. |
| 04:17.59 | Brontarr | Well, it appears to be "Quest" |
| 04:19.43 | Brontarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.44 | Brontarr | LootSlot(i); |
| 04:19.44 | Brontarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.54 | Wobin | you'll want "Quest" |
| 04:19.56 | Wobin | as it's a string |
| 04:20.21 | Brontarr | Alright |
| 04:22.07 | Brontarr | Aaaaaand no :( |
| 04:24.45 | Brontarr | It fails to print the message or loot the item |
| 04:33.04 | Brontarr | Is slot(i) the wrong slot to be telling it to loot? |
| 04:38.47 | Brontarr | Actually, is that just querying the first slot? |
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| 05:10.10 | Brontarr | No ideas guys? D: |
| 05:10.38 | Wobin | i is whatever you set it as |
| 05:10.48 | Wobin | what languages are you used to programming in? |
| 05:10.57 | Brontarr | Python more than anything |
| 05:11.03 | Wobin | so, you have a loop |
| 05:11.14 | Wobin | and you're setting i from 1 to however many items |
| 05:11.14 | Brontarr | for i = 1 |
| 05:11.16 | Brontarr | right.. |
| 05:11.21 | Wobin | so...? |
| 05:11.35 | Brontarr | well I need to use a different value for a different letter for it |
| 05:11.56 | Brontarr | Or just make it search all loots? |
| 05:12.02 | Kraps | saronite ore is really cheap |
| 05:12.05 | Wobin | what do you see the loop doing |
| 05:12.14 | Kraps | is leatherworking better? |
| 05:12.21 | Wobin | Kraps, nope |
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| 05:12.44 | Brontarr | well the loop is just checking the first loot slot |
| 05:13.27 | Wobin | then you only have one loot slot to check |
| 05:13.43 | Wobin | because otherwise i would increment to whatever GetNumLootItems returns |
| 05:13.44 | Brontarr | I guess i can't just go |
| 05:13.44 | Brontarr | for i = 1, 2, 3, 4 etc? |
| 05:13.59 | Wobin | well sure you can. but how do you know how many items there are to loot? |
| 05:14.22 | Brontarr | Well realistically you don't, but would it go above like.. 10? |
| 05:14.24 | Wobin | the whole point of that loop is to increment 'i' to whatever slot you need |
| 05:14.33 | Wobin | you need to ask yourself, why is it not incrementing |
| 05:14.41 | Wobin | not "How can I force it to increment" |
| 05:15.15 | Brontarr | is it something to do with the line ending in do? |
| 05:15.32 | Wobin | perhaps you need to read up a bit more on how lua does loops |
| 05:15.40 | Wobin | have you looked at PiL? |
| 05:15.48 | Brontarr | Nope. |
| 05:15.51 | Wobin | ~pil |
| 05:15.52 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 05:16.00 | Wobin | have a read through that |
| 05:16.06 | Wobin | it may help you understand how Lua works |
| 05:16.17 | Brontarr | Alrighty thanks |
| 05:16.18 | Wobin | easier than wandering around blindly |
| 05:16.39 | Brontarr | That's quite long D: |
| 05:16.44 | Wobin | it's worth it |
| 05:18.25 | Kraps | where are the ashen verdict? |
| 05:18.35 | Wobin | ICC |
| 05:22.15 | Kraps | inside the instance? |
| 05:23.28 | Wobin | no idea =) |
| 05:23.52 | Brontarr | Wobin, is it not correctly calling GetNumLootItems? |
| 05:24.59 | Kraps | halp |
| 05:25.10 | Kraps | wowhead isnt helpng |
| 05:27.12 | Wobin | !api getnumlootitems |
| 05:27.12 | lua_bot | GetNumLootItems: Returns the number of items available to be looted (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetNumLootItems) |
| 05:27.38 | Wobin | Brontarr, you can check that by using debug prints to see what the value is |
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| 05:31.28 | Yssaril | Kraps: yea they are inside ICC |
| 05:31.36 | Kraps | ok |
| 05:32.35 | Kraps | shit, lfg as a tank is instant :) |
| 05:32.55 | Brontarr | Everyone loves a tank :P |
| 05:32.55 | Wobin | yep |
| 05:33.14 | Brontarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.15 | Brontarr | doesn't work? or doesn't act as I'm expecting it to? |
| 05:33.34 | Kraps | i love the way emblems are accumulating |
| 05:34.06 | Wobin | Brontarr, to make a function call, you need () |
| 05:34.25 | Wobin | otherwise you're just printing the function itself |
| 05:35.07 | Brontarr | So, print()GetNumLootItems ? |
| 05:35.35 | Brontarr | nowait, print GetNumLootItems() |
| 05:36.08 | Wobin | print(GetNumLootItems()) |
| 05:36.18 | Brontarr | Lawl, okay. |
| 05:36.53 | Brontarr | Well, wouldn't the easiest thing to be, just be "for i = GetNumLootItems() do" ? |
| 05:37.17 | Wobin | you need to read PiL to figure out how the loop syntax works =P |
| 05:37.42 | Brontarr | The for semantics bit? |
| 05:37.45 | Wobin | cause GetNumLootItems returns a single number |
| 05:37.56 | Wobin | so you'd be setting i to 5 or whatever |
| 05:38.02 | Wobin | and that wouldn't loop anything |
| 05:38.24 | Yssaril | Brontarr: read the pil to understand lua and how it works there is some really nifty stuff you can do that you will never know if you don't read it |
| 05:38.26 | Wobin | I suggest you get a better grasp of the syntax before experimenting =) |
| 05:38.29 | Brontarr | Wouldn't that just assign i to 5 and continue on going? |
| 05:38.39 | Wobin | Brontarr, please. Read the book. |
| 05:38.50 | Wobin | If you don't understand the syntax, you can't make stuff up |
| 05:38.56 | Brontarr | Alright, I'll read xD |
| 05:45.08 | Brontarr | Oh man, gedit makes my eyes sore. |
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| 05:52.31 | Brontarr | I've read the all of the stuff about for and such, but I can't see the issue with the code.. |
| 05:55.34 | Wobin | repastey it? |
| 05:58.16 | Brontarr | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/130729 |
| 05:58.46 | Polarina | "There are only two kind of opinions; my opinions and wrong opinions. Which one would you like?" |
| 05:59.18 | Arrowmaster | Brontarr: whats wrong with it? |
| 06:00.06 | Brontarr | It's failing to loot quest items, I'm of the opinion it's only checking the first loot slot |
| 06:00.19 | Brontarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.21 | Arrowmaster | ok, your usage of tables and iterators is just plain wrong |
| 06:00.29 | Brontarr | It's not my script |
| 06:00.36 | Brontarr | it's an addon I found and am revamping |
| 06:00.47 | Arrowmaster | throw it away then |
| 06:00.55 | Arrowmaster | its written for wow 1.x |
| 06:01.02 | Arrowmaster | lua 5.0 |
| 06:02.07 | Brontarr | I see. |
| 06:02.08 | Shirik | lol table.getn |
| 06:02.29 | Shirik | actually |
| 06:02.34 | Shirik | Looter_RemoveItem should NEVER have worked |
| 06:02.36 | Shirik | 5.0 or not |
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| 06:04.17 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats just so wrong |
| 06:04.31 | Brontarr | Haha, didn't know it was so bad. |
| 06:04.43 | Arrowmaster | yeah its fucking terrible |
| 06:06.04 | Arrowmaster | Looter_Loot() has some stuff with a string s at the end that does nothing at all |
| 06:07.10 | kdtresh | was it a shenanigans handler? |
| 06:07.12 | kdtresh | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Shenanigans-Handler.aspx |
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| 06:11.19 | Wobin | eh, if it was a proper exception, I'd totally call shenanigans |
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| 06:17.51 | Brontarr | Fine, maybe I'll just re-write the whole addon xD |
| 06:19.09 | Wobin | probably best |
| 06:19.28 | Brontarr | Hooray.. |
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| 06:30.13 | Wobin | nom |
| 06:30.16 | Wobin | grilled cheese bagel |
| 06:30.28 | Brontarr | :o |
| 06:30.35 | Brontarr | All I've had to eat today is a glass of milk :( |
| 06:31.00 | Wobin | I highly recommend a grilled cheese bagel |
| 06:31.19 | Brontarr | Don't have any bagels |
| 06:31.32 | Wobin | =( |
| 06:31.38 | Wobin | that makes it harder |
| 06:33.10 | Brontarr | :( |
| 06:33.32 | Wobin | You could go get some! |
| 06:33.55 | Brontarr | i'm busy not scripting |
| 06:50.26 | frontendloader | does lilsparky ever come around these parts? |
| 06:51.06 | frontendloader | the skillet shopping list doesn't appear to be able to find the materials I already have in my inventory |
| 06:58.41 | Polarina | I hate it when I end up in a random dungeon with a total idiot that hasn't even spent any of his damn talent points! |
| 07:00.28 | Wobin | votekick |
| 07:00.38 | Polarina | Mhm. |
| 07:04.34 | Polarina | I had to literaly say to him "Vi forstår ikke dansk!" |
| 07:04.36 | Polarina | :( |
| 07:10.03 | Wobin | ~x sw en Vi forstår ikke dansk! |
| 07:10.14 | ZorbaTHut | dammit why is it so hard to get to searing gorge |
| 07:10.22 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut, as horde? |
| 07:10.31 | ZorbaTHut | as alliance |
| 07:10.39 | ZorbaTHut | it's actually easier for horde, they've got a city right next to it |
| 07:11.03 | ZorbaTHut | (blizzard loves horde, etc) |
| 07:11.03 | Wobin | hm |
| 07:11.06 | Wobin | lolz |
| 07:11.09 | Wobin | s'if |
| 07:11.16 | Wobin | isn't it north of redridge? |
| 07:11.22 | ZorbaTHut | ironically the best way to get there is *through the damn horde city* |
| 07:11.33 | Wobin | or am I thinking of that other zone |
| 07:11.43 | Polarina | Get to Searing Gorge through Blastlands or Burning Steppes, simple. |
| 07:11.48 | Polarina | What's the damn problem? |
| 07:11.50 | ZorbaTHut | it's north of redridge if you want to go all the way through burning steppes |
| 07:11.56 | Wobin | ah burning steppes |
| 07:11.56 | Polarina | s/Blastlands/Badlands/ |
| 07:12.29 | Polarina | And Badlands. |
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| 07:54.03 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/12/27/funny-pictures-said-a-naughty/ |
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| 08:07.25 | Polarina | Is it possible to stop the garbage collector entirely? |
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| 08:16.09 | Arrowmaster | yes but why would you want to |
| 08:17.09 | Polarina | For the fun of it. |
| 08:19.37 | Polarina | wonders what would happen if she does: for i,v in pairs(_G) do _G[i] = nil end |
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| 08:24.58 | Wobin | try it |
| 08:25.28 | Polarina | I would lose all my SavedVariables, so no thanks. :P |
| 08:25.58 | Shadowed | You wouldn't lose them |
| 08:26.05 | Shadowed | they would just not be in the proper location you expect them to be |
| 08:26.10 | Polarina | Unless I do Alt+Print Screen+I |
| 08:26.19 | Polarina | Then I won't. :D |
| 08:28.53 | Arrowmaster | why would you want to send SIGKILL to all processes except init? |
| 08:30.08 | Polarina | :P |
| 08:30.38 | Arrowmaster | were you expecting nobody to know what that ment? |
| 08:32.33 | Polarina | Yes. :( |
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| 08:33.15 | Arrowmaster | ive used REISUB before |
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| 08:58.23 | Polarina | .i coi .i ninmu fa mi .i mo pu pinxe lo ckafi pe mi |
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| 09:05.40 | Polarina | .i mo ba catra mi |
| 09:05.52 | Polarina | Someone has to understand that language... |
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| 09:11.19 | Wobin | lojban? |
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| 09:12.54 | Polarina | Wobin: :D |
| 09:13.18 | Wobin | only recognises it |
| 09:13.23 | Polarina | Wobin: :( |
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| 09:15.34 | Wobin | ~x lojban en .i mo ba catra mi |
| 09:16.02 | Polarina | It translates to "Who is going to murder me?" |
| 09:16.04 | frontendloader | anyone mind giving some input on a design issue? I've got an addon (which I didn't make) that automatically adds items to skillet's crafting queue, and I want to create a list of user-specified items that NEVER get added to the queue |
| 09:16.18 | Wobin | yeah, I was hoping Google'd have a translation matrix for it =P |
| 09:16.43 | frontendloader | if I take the user's input as an item name, I don't think I can get the item ID unless that item is in the user's inventory right? |
| 09:17.53 | Wobin | if they link the item, you can |
| 09:18.43 | Polarina | frontendloader: You can always try GetItemInfo. |
| 09:18.59 | Wobin | !api getiteminfo |
| 09:18.59 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'getiteminfo': GetTradeTargetItemInfo, GetItemInfo |
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| 09:19.34 | Wobin | hm yeah, that'll take a 'name' argument |
| 09:19.47 | Wobin | but that'll only work if the item is in their bags |
| 09:19.52 | frontendloader | actually I think that skillet might have what I need |
| 09:19.57 | Polarina | Or was in their bags! :D |
| 09:20.35 | frontendloader | I can reference an item name to skillet's SV of the user's professions possibly |
| 09:21.08 | frontendloader | which might contain the itemid/profession spellcast id |
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| 09:22.32 | frontendloader | nope :( |
| 09:24.14 | Wobin | awesome: http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/322-Body-By-Victoria.html |
| 09:24.26 | Wobin | forensic graphic investigation =P |
| 09:24.50 | frontendloader | how did sniff work anyway |
| 09:25.24 | frontendloader | shouldn't I be able to do something like that to be able to get item info |
| 09:26.43 | Arrowmaster | no |
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| 09:35.17 | Wobin | also, rofl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUjz_eiIX8k&feature=player_embedded |
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| 10:01.13 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2yt1ooLQGo <-- Up! remix... |
| 10:04.35 | Cruciformer | Are one (or both) or Iriel or Shirik here? |
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| 10:28.19 | Fisker | halp Wobin |
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| 10:33.30 | Fisker | also you kd3 |
| 10:43.53 | Jerub | anyone know how to change your battle.net password? |
| 10:44.00 | Jerub | the password change link isn't on the website |
| 10:45.48 | Polarina | Why would you want to change your password? |
| 10:46.18 | Jerub | ... because it's a good idea to do peridoically! |
| 10:46.39 | Polarina | has never changed her password for three years now. |
| 10:46.52 | Jerub | also, because i've got it currently set to a work password and i wnat to give it to someone for a few hours |
| 10:47.09 | Corrodias | no, never change passwords. ever. ESPECIALLY if your computer is comprimised and someone gets ahold of the password. |
| 10:47.09 | Polarina | Change your work password. |
| 10:47.15 | Corrodias | changing it would just tip them off that they got the right one! |
| 10:47.47 | Polarina | Corrodias: Go ahead and try to compromise my computer. |
| 10:48.12 | Corrodias | why? |
| 10:48.22 | Polarina | Because you can't. :D |
| 10:48.41 | Corrodias | well, that sounds like it'd be as pointless as it is irrelevant, then. |
| 10:48.42 | amro | there's more than your computer in the world, people need to change their passwords |
| 10:48.52 | Corrodias | thanks for the offer, i guess? |
| 10:49.03 | Polarina | Corrodias: You're welcome. |
| 10:49.11 | Polarina | amro: What do you mean? |
| 10:49.35 | amro | Polarina: I mean that maybe your computer isn't in a position to be compromised, but that's no reason to assume no other computer is |
| 10:49.44 | amro | there are plenty of valid reasons to change a password |
| 10:49.51 | Polarina | I have no other computers! :D |
| 10:50.36 | amro | right well I'm going to assume that everyone in this channel at least has a computer |
| 10:50.43 | Corrodias | i think the ability to conceptualize the world from viewpoints outside oneself normally develops somewhere between 4 and 8 years old |
| 10:51.34 | ZorbaTHut | I've got six computers in this room alone |
| 10:51.34 | Corrodias | is Polarina developmentally challenged or just too young to be in a channel with Naughty Words? |
| 10:51.35 | ZorbaTHut | (seven if you count the closet) |
| 10:51.35 | Jerub | ... like, for real, how do i change my password? |
| 10:52.33 | Polarina | Jerub: https://us.battle.net/account/support/password-reset.xml |
| 10:54.05 | Polarina | Jerub: Login at https://us.battle.net/login/login.xml - and when done so, under My Profile, there's "Change Password". |
| 10:55.13 | Fisker | login at logginkeysrus.båttle.net ;3 |
| 10:55.21 | Fisker | free mount! |
| 10:55.23 | Fisker | and cheese! |
| 10:55.31 | Fisker | cheeeeeeeeeeeeese |
| 10:55.36 | ZorbaTHut | yay cheese! |
| 10:55.37 | Jerub | ooh, thanks. |
| 10:55.39 | Fisker | you should think about it |
| 10:56.39 | Polarina | Fisker: Vi fortål ikke dit sprog. |
| 10:57.03 | amro | lies Fisker |
| 10:57.07 | amro | that domain name does not exist |
| 10:57.18 | zenzelezz | i forståd hinanden ikke |
| 10:57.22 | zenzelezz | -d +r |
| 10:59.15 | Fisker | mwuhahahhaa |
| 10:59.25 | Fisker | i got into a pug for weekly raid |
| 10:59.47 | Fisker | noone expects the blue and heirloomgeared hunter to be that |
| 11:00.30 | Fisker | i'm unstoppable |
| 11:00.58 | Polarina | :) |
| 11:01.21 | Polarina | The Unstoppable Force hits The Immovable Object. |
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| 11:02.13 | Fisker | http://consumerist.com/2009/12/great-best-buy-deal-get-free-software-tweetdeck-for-free.html <-win |
| 11:04.13 | Fisker | so i'm top dps :( |
| 11:04.31 | Fisker | it appears the scammer has become the scammed |
| 11:04.53 | Polarina | Fisker: I love when that happens. |
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| 11:05.33 | Fisker | probably gonna change on the bossfight though |
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| 11:10.06 | Fisker | ... |
| 11:10.09 | Fisker | i was numer 3 :( |
| 11:10.21 | Fisker | number 2 actually |
| 11:11.07 | Polarina | :( |
| 11:11.43 | Fisker | 7 people stayed in during locust swarm |
| 11:11.51 | Fisker | got him to 10% with a healer, tank and me :P |
| 11:12.06 | zenzelezz | your weekly is Anub'Rekhan? |
| 11:15.50 | Fisker | yep |
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| 11:41.13 | Fisker | we did it :P |
| 11:42.29 | Corrodias | grats |
| 11:42.32 | Corrodias | i think. didn't you not have a guild? |
| 11:43.57 | Fisker | nope |
| 11:44.06 | Fisker | was kicked |
| 11:45.37 | Corrodias | oic, you said you're puggin' |
| 11:47.00 | zenzelezz | Fisker: did you make it before the enrage timer? |
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| 11:52.09 | Fisker | yes |
| 11:52.53 | Fisker | from the guild that is Corrodias |
| 11:53.28 | ZorbaTHut | why'd you get kicked? |
| 11:53.43 | Fisker | dunno |
| 11:59.40 | zenzelezz | http://themovieblog.com/2009/12/if-star-wars-had-facebook |
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| 12:41.34 | Fisker | slaps robotusch around a bit with a large trout |
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| 13:37.58 | Sentri | what is the best way to "clip" fontstring to a specific lenght |
| 13:38.37 | Sentri | like for example when the width goes over 200px it clips it and puts "..." to the end |
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| 13:39.02 | alestane | I believe you start by using an explicit :SetWidth call. |
| 13:39.14 | alestane | I do very little work with text labels though. |
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| 13:47.17 | Sentri | hmm nice, SetWidth justifies the text to the center and makes a line break if it's too wide |
| 13:47.41 | Sentri | looks nice but not quite the way I needed |
| 13:48.29 | alestane | You can set the justification (I forget the call for that), but if you want the "..." I think you have to calculate that manually. |
| 13:48.49 | Sentri | yeah |
| 13:49.27 | alestane | You can also manually set the height, which *might* auto-clip the text to a smaller size. |
| 13:49.32 | Sentri | :SetJustifyH works but ill have to get rid of the other lines |
| 13:49.39 | Sentri | hmm |
| 13:50.01 | alestane | Set the height and the width to your desired maximum dimensions and see what you get. |
| 13:50.30 | Sentri | haha :D |
| 13:50.34 | Sentri | I did just that :D |
| 13:50.42 | Sentri | clipped the text and put ... in the end |
| 13:50.56 | Sentri | why didn't I think of this in teh first place |
| 13:51.10 | alestane | You may wish to read this: http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_FontString |
| 13:51.27 | Sentri | oh |
| 13:51.35 | Sentri | I've totally missed that |
| 13:51.52 | alestane | I just remembered it. It's sort of a pain to find on WoWWiki. |
| 13:52.08 | Sentri | I was thinking doing it manually clipping characters and shecking width each time or something like that |
| 13:52.23 | Sentri | *sigh* typos |
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| 14:16.50 | Kraps | good blue monday to yall |
| 14:30.27 | ckknight | blue monday? |
| 14:38.21 | Fisker | slaps ckknight around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:38.34 | ckknight | hmm? |
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| 14:46.34 | Kraps | Shield Slams Fiskers trout |
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| 14:52.27 | amro | ~lart lua_bot |
| 14:52.27 | purl | slaps a compatible dib on lua_bot's head |
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| 14:56.35 | jnwhiteh | has identify issues =) |
| 14:58.21 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 14:58.23 | Fisker | you wound me |
| 14:58.34 | jnwhiteh | i didn't realize you were clockwork! |
| 14:58.44 | Fisker | :o |
| 14:58.54 | Fisker | when was your birthday? |
| 14:59.02 | jnwhiteh | dec 17 |
| 14:59.16 | jnwhiteh | when i was having my way with copenhagen's women |
| 14:59.17 | jnwhiteh | i mean men |
| 14:59.19 | jnwhiteh | i mean.. both |
| 14:59.34 | Fisker | tsk |
| 14:59.46 | Fisker | getting me a nexus one? |
| 14:59.49 | Fisker | how considerate of you |
| 14:59.59 | jnwhiteh | for new years, yeah! |
| 15:00.32 | Fisker | thanks |
| 15:00.39 | Wobin | http://community.livejournal.com/dear_gnome/411208.html |
| 15:00.43 | Wobin | awwwwesome =P |
| 15:07.00 | Fisker | no! |
| 15:08.07 | Fisker | crossbow for me |
| 15:08.09 | Fisker | i can feel it |
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| 15:34.26 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB8iu8V99HY#t=0m52s @ pugs |
| 15:34.44 | Fisker | Some warrior got mad because a druid needed on some shitty boe with shieldblock |
| 15:34.48 | Fisker | ZOMG HE LOST A SHARD! |
| 15:35.01 | Fisker | i demand a refund |
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| 15:41.06 | msoul | Hey, forgive my silly question but i've no idea what i've hit to make my actionbar 1 disappear |
| 15:41.14 | msoul | cannot get it back "Dominos" |
| 15:44.24 | mikma | msoul: shift+key up/down |
| 15:45.19 | msoul | i thank you very much indeed |
| 15:53.43 | Kraps | cyanigosa down in 23 seconds |
| 15:56.29 | msoul | lots of bosses in raids are a joke |
| 15:56.39 | msoul | there are only certain fights that i enjoy |
| 15:56.47 | msoul | Freya in ulduar and Twin valkyr in toc |
| 15:56.55 | msoul | those fights are fun |
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| 16:04.30 | cbreak | twin valkyr is rather direct |
| 16:04.40 | cbreak | the stone face thing, that's a fight |
| 16:04.49 | cbreak | reliquary of souls? (I think) in BT |
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| 16:10.23 | Fisker | RoS was awesome |
| 16:17.23 | industrial | reads Raymond E. Feist - Silverthorn |
| 16:17.36 | industrial | I _loved_ Magician. |
| 16:18.59 | Thunder_Child | i think i have the whole series |
| 16:19.10 | industrial | I want it now. |
| 16:19.25 | industrial | I did read the revised book though, so Magician: Apprentice and Magician: Master |
| 16:19.31 | industrial | books* |
| 16:21.03 | Fisker | haha |
| 16:21.04 | Fisker | yet more QQ |
| 16:21.09 | Fisker | i just won marrowstrike |
| 16:21.16 | industrial | :) |
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| 16:21.18 | Fisker | and the tank and healer tried to extort me to fork it over |
| 16:21.20 | Fisker | "bye bye" |
| 16:21.30 | Fisker | 2 minutes after "thanks for group" with a new tank and healer |
| 16:21.49 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB8iu8V99HY#t=0m52s <-deserves a QQ |
| 16:22.09 | industrial | so a tank and a healer didnt want a hunter to get marrowstrike? |
| 16:22.25 | Fisker | the druid wanted it for tanking or dps i guess |
| 16:22.27 | Fisker | the healer i dunno |
| 16:22.33 | Fisker | i think he just wanted the druid to have it |
| 16:22.38 | Fisker | they probably queued up for it together |
| 16:22.43 | industrial | its an arp weapon :| hunter NEEEEEDS it. |
| 16:22.44 | industrial | ah ok |
| 16:23.18 | Lopeppeppy | Loot = drama. |
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| 16:35.21 | alestane | cuddles Lopeppeppy. |
| 16:35.31 | alestane | Has the cat gone to the vet? |
| 16:36.10 | amro | what's a good tool for search and replace through all files in a directory tree? |
| 16:37.25 | cbreak | TextWrangler |
| 16:37.27 | cbreak | sed |
| 16:37.56 | cbreak | find with xargs maybe |
| 16:38.55 | amro | cbreak: you have an example with sed? replacing X with Y in DIR recursively |
| 16:41.11 | cbreak | I think you'd have to use find to find the files, and then run sed on each |
| 16:42.11 | cbreak | like find . -name "*.lua" -exec sed -i 'bak' 's/abc/def/g' {} \; |
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| 16:56.04 | Shirik | You know, if everyone just started using RAII people might accept C++ as a good language |
| 16:56.19 | Shirik | I just fixed 5 memory leaks accidentally by using RAII |
| 16:56.24 | cbreak | RAII? |
| 16:56.25 | Shirik | all at once |
| 16:56.34 | Shirik | resource acquisition is initialization |
| 16:56.51 | Shirik | ~wiki RAII |
| 16:58.06 | cbreak | tr1::shared_ptr makes that easier I think |
| 16:59.32 | Shirik | shared_ptr is an application of RAII |
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| 17:01.05 | cbreak | I am not sure if that works well in multi threaded environments |
| 17:01.20 | cbreak | it probably does |
| 17:01.49 | Shirik | hm? |
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| 17:08.35 | Fisker | you wouldn't Shirik |
| 17:08.47 | Shirik | I would |
| 17:11.57 | kdtresh | raii makes me want to play red alert 2 |
| 17:15.18 | foxlit | ? |
| 17:15.36 | foxlit | who is this raii? |
| 17:16.12 | kdtresh | ~wiki RAII |
| 17:16.25 | Shirik | It's the designpattern real C++ programmers use |
| 17:16.31 | Shirik | not the crappy C programmers that think they know C++ |
| 17:16.46 | kdtresh | what about crappy c++ programmers? |
| 17:16.57 | Shirik | that is synonymous with C programmers |
| 17:17.21 | alestane | What's involved besides using "new Class()" rather than "someInitRoutine(malloc(sizeof(Class)))"? |
| 17:17.39 | Shirik | There are two primary groups of crappy C++ programmers: People who program C in C++ and people who know too much about C++ and incorrectly try to use advanced concepts like multiple inheritance |
| 17:17.40 | Lopeppeppy | pounces alestane! |
| 17:17.57 | Shirik | alestane: The problem is when exceptions enter the picture |
| 17:18.50 | alestane | is pounced. |
| 17:18.55 | Shirik | http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/exceptions.html#faq-17.12 |
| 17:18.57 | alestane | You just now noticed, Peppy? |
| 17:19.30 | alestane | Is the frankencat in the vet's tender hands now? |
| 17:19.44 | Shirik | aw don't call her frankencat :( |
| 17:19.47 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, and that would be why I'm distracted, alestane. |
| 17:20.09 | Shirik | distracts Lopeppeppy |
| 17:20.13 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, that's her name. Rosiekins Frankencat. :) |
| 17:21.00 | Lopeppeppy | She was scheduled for "right after lunch" give or take any emergencies that might have come in today, so I hope to hear something after 1:30. |
| 17:21.15 | foxlit | Hm, there was a list of named arguments to XML <OnStuff> closures. |
| 17:21.19 | foxlit | Somewhere. I wonder where. |
| 17:22.15 | alestane | The change history. |
| 17:22.28 | alestane | One sec. |
| 17:22.41 | alestane | If it doesn't have its own arg list, it's just (self). |
| 17:25.18 | foxlit | I suspect it's the 3.0 changes thread? |
| 17:25.29 | alestane | http://www.wowwiki.com/2.0_consolidated_changes |
| 17:25.36 | foxlit | Oh, earlier. |
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| 17:31.56 | Kraps | YOU crank dat soulja boy |
| 17:32.50 | Sentri | can an editbox be :Disable()d ? |
| 17:34.03 | foxlit | no. |
| 17:34.27 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 17:34.32 | cbreak | doesn't list it as being disableable |
| 17:35.04 | Sentri | kk then I'll have to do it some other way |
| 17:36.55 | Cide | may I suggest clearfocus on focus? |
| 17:37.02 | Cide | or SetText("") on text |
| 17:37.07 | Cide | or :Hide() |
| 17:37.20 | Cide | or :SetMaxLatters(0) |
| 17:37.52 | cbreak | :SetText("Disabled") |
| 17:38.15 | Sentri | I don't want the text to be lost just be uneditable |
| 17:38.22 | Sentri | but I found a workaround |
| 17:38.57 | Sentri | just SetText on OnValueChanged to be anything it was before change |
| 17:42.34 | Kraps | is it possible to have that many freckles? http://benoitpaille.deviantart.com/art/La-realite-est-lente-130489334 |
| 17:45.26 | Lopeppeppy | Of course it is. I've seen similar. |
| 17:47.01 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/304551125/ |
| 17:47.50 | Adys | Kraps: it's funny, the google-translated english isn't broken, while the original french is |
| 17:49.23 | Kraps | im pretty sure thats not from any translator |
| 17:49.55 | Kraps | someone must have writen it for the artist |
| 17:50.04 | Kraps | written* |
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| 18:21.57 | ckknight | Kraps: definitely possible |
| 18:23.12 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/12/27/funny-pictures-box/ |
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| 18:41.49 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/12/27/funny-pictures-sabotaging-cars/ |
| 18:43.34 | mikma | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/funny-pictures-cats-are-desktop-and-laptop.jpg |
| 18:50.22 | Adys | Do the ichc guys realize talking like retards stopped being funny a couple of years ago? |
| 18:51.07 | amro | it stopped being funny after the 5th catption actually |
| 18:51.35 | Adys | that was a couple of years ago. |
| 18:51.48 | amro | not in cat years. |
| 18:52.00 | Adys | >< |
| 18:52.12 | Dagmar | ~amro++ |
| 18:52.21 | Lopeppeppy | They're not the ones doing the captions, it's all the lusers now. |
| 18:52.39 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: im talking about the comments |
| 18:55.48 | Dagmar | You expect literacy from the peanut galleries? |
| 18:56.20 | Adys | its like people who talk in text-language all the time because they think its cool |
| 18:56.54 | Adys | I have nothing against bad grammar and what not if it's due to a lack of knowledge |
| 18:57.18 | Dagmar | It's all those Chinese-made children's toys and their lead paint. |
| 18:57.31 | Adys | right |
| 18:59.29 | kdtresh | and the cell phone radiation effect on a pubescent brain |
| 18:59.42 | Dagmar | ...and the lack of fatal beatings. |
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| 19:12.48 | Lopeppeppy | lead paint tastes sweeter. |
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| 19:15.27 | Kraps | i think my whole battlegroup is only doing randoms |
| 19:15.45 | Dewin | Kraps: what makes you think this? |
| 19:16.17 | Kraps | trying for a dps slot in ToC and FoS |
| 19:16.23 | Kraps | nothing |
| 19:16.46 | Dewin | DPS slots in general take awhile to fill don't they? |
| 19:17.00 | Dewin | And... I believe people queued for a random can be used to fill in someone's specific request for a dungeon |
| 19:17.55 | Dewin | So if you're mean, be a tank and repeatedly queue for Occulus. |
| 19:19.01 | Kraps | heh |
| 19:19.19 | Dagmar | Do it wearing leather for the agility |
| 19:19.23 | Dagmar | Make everyone's day |
| 19:19.41 | Dagmar | ..then quietly put your mail back on before combat begins |
| 19:19.53 | Dewin | Dagmar: I really want to make our LFG bingo thread on our guild forums public. |
| 19:19.59 | Kraps | should i try tanking pos on the fly? |
| 19:20.56 | Kraps | fos |
| 19:21.23 | Dewin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/130744 <-- our way to make bad random pugs interesting |
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| 19:22.17 | Dagmar | Kraps: If you're a good tank it shouldn't be a huge problem if you have DBM installed |
| 19:22.28 | Dagmar | You might wipe 2-3 times across all three instances |
| 19:22.45 | Dagmar | Maybe once if you take hints from DBM well and pay attention |
| 19:24.41 | Dagmar | Dewin: Oh gods... That's great! |
| 19:26.03 | Dagmar | 22 is iffy tho. Does it count if you're feared through a hole in the floor? |
| 19:26.37 | Dagmar | iamlindoro: I am more concerned about whether or not it'll take ages to go through customs |
| 19:29.06 | Dewin | Dagmar: That's up to the people judging you. |
| 19:29.32 | Dewin | Guild consensus seems to think that Tabard of the Scarlet Crusade (which is green) does not count as "Healer is wearing a green item" though. |
| 19:30.09 | Dewin | I've actually had #12 but it was before we started. |
| 19:31.31 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 19:31.51 | Dagmar | Well, cross your fingers on the "swirlie" boss in Forge of Souls |
| 19:32.17 | Dewin | never had it fear through the floor. |
| 19:32.19 | Dagmar | There's some holes in the geometry to either side of the walkways off his platform. I've been feared into one, and I've watched it happen to one other person |
| 19:32.27 | Dewin | Ouch. |
| 19:32.34 | Dagmar | Yeah, he's a dirty cheater he is. Heh |
| 19:32.47 | Dewin | I discovered just how lazy Blizzard was with the copy/pasted geometry outside HoR too. |
| 19:32.48 | Dagmar | He feared our tank right into the corner pocket, so to speak |
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| 19:33.19 | Dagmar | Dewin: Found out the 'chute cloak wouldn't save you, eh? |
| 19:33.22 | Dewin | I was bored after completing it, so I went kitty and jumped off the area by the airship into the mountains. |
| 19:33.26 | Dewin | Walked around a little bit |
| 19:33.40 | Dewin | Discovered exactly where the invisible "death plane" is. |
| 19:33.45 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 19:33.56 | Dewin | I expected invisible wall. |
| 19:35.50 | Dewin | I don't own a parachute cloak on any of my toons. This could be because my engineer is also a mage with slowfall glyphed. |
| 19:36.00 | Dagmar | elec: You answered your own question. |
| 19:36.04 | Dagmar | !@##!# |
| 19:36.13 | Dagmar | I am loving this lag, I really am |
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| 19:36.41 | Shirik | lua> string.byte"[" |
| 19:36.42 | lua_bot | Shirik: 91 |
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| 20:09.45 | Kraps | just got the tank mace from fos |
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| 20:10.47 | zenzelezz | grats, now go get the sword from PoS and axe from HoR to complete the collection :) |
| 20:25.00 | Dagmar | have 'em |
| 20:25.17 | Dagmar | Marrowstrike appears to still be better, sadly |
| 20:25.52 | zenzelezz | Marrowstrike's from a raid, isn't it? |
| 20:26.09 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 20:26.13 | Dagmar | HToC. |
| 20:26.53 | zenzelezz | oh, I see, you're not talking 1h tank weapons |
| 20:26.53 | Dagmar | It's at least unusual tho. Normally hunter weapons tend to come from vendors or epic raids with no in-between |
| 20:27.26 | kdtresh | wasn't there a spear from auchidoun that was pretty good? |
| 20:27.35 | zenzelezz | Shadow Labs |
| 20:28.23 | Dagmar | I don't remember. If it was in SLabs I would have surely gotten it. Our guild leader's wife was pretty hot to get some recipe from Murmur |
| 20:28.42 | Dagmar | We must have flogged that giant pinata 20-30 times |
| 20:28.52 | zenzelezz | Sonic Spear, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27903 |
| 20:28.59 | kdtresh | yeah, that's the one |
| 20:29.24 | kdtresh | i don't play a hunter, but i remember people farming that place for it |
| 20:30.12 | kdtresh | or at least being ecstatic if and when it dropped |
| 20:30.45 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, kitty surgery is done. Was more complex than expected, but is done, she should be home tomorrow. |
| 20:30.53 | zenzelezz | kdtresh: yeah, I recall that too |
| 20:31.03 | kdtresh | done == successful, i hope |
| 20:31.12 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: you shouldn't let your cats perform surgery, they have no respect for human life |
| 20:31.38 | Lopeppeppy | Won't know how successful for 4-6 weeks, kdtresh, but we're done with this stage, at least. |
| 20:31.51 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, she was doing her observation work, she has to learn to do sutures sometime. |
| 20:32.06 | zenzelezz | you're probably right |
| 20:32.49 | kdtresh | my cat never learned to suture, she would only knead |
| 20:33.24 | zenzelezz | my cat is more interested in the incisions |
| 20:33.24 | Lopeppeppy | She started with kneading, kdtresh, but the vet thinks she has a future in surgery, so I let her go and have a day with him. |
| 20:33.40 | kdtresh | never know what they're capable of until you give em a chance ;) |
| 20:34.45 | Lopeppeppy | For serious. |
| 20:35.11 | zenzelezz | did the vet confirm she wasn't white? |
| 20:36.14 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, the vet tech noticed right off that she was a tiger, we had a nice chat about that. Since the tech has pink hair, I figured she'd know about color choices and stuff. |
| 20:36.38 | zenzelezz | you'd think the vets would notice the difference between a cat and a tiger |
| 20:36.51 | zenzelezz | the size for starters |
| 20:37.18 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr versus purr? |
| 20:37.28 | zenzelezz | tigers purr too |
| 20:37.37 | Lopeppeppy | No, they rumble like a fighter jet. |
| 20:37.48 | zenzelezz | well yeah, but it's still the same message |
| 20:39.55 | Lopeppeppy | Cats purr when they're mad, or when they're happy. Tigers purr because they know they can swallow you whole. |
| 20:40.21 | Dagmar | They don't purr when they're mad. |
| 20:40.36 | Dagmar | They will purr when they're _hurting_ but when they're mad they growl and hiss |
| 20:40.55 | Dagmar | ...and generally try to slash you like a teenage girl with a handful of box cutters |
| 20:49.01 | kd3 | mmm.... hormonal teenagers with boxcutters |
| 20:49.06 | kd3 | where's the bomb shelter again? |
| 20:49.44 | Lopeppeppy | I've heard Kendra purring when she was very angry with me, oh yes... she's a purr machine, that critter. So I never trust a cat's purring. |
| 20:50.01 | Dagmar | Sadistic cat |
| 20:50.17 | Dagmar | She must have been looking forward to effing you up |
| 20:50.53 | Lopeppeppy | She's all that and freddy kreuger on steroids |
| 20:51.05 | Dagmar | Not a Maine Coon is he? |
| 20:51.09 | Dagmar | s/he/she/; |
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| 20:58.12 | Shirik | waves at both Lopeppeppys |
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| 21:06.50 | Fisker | cool Shirik |
| 21:07.03 | Shirik | cool Fisker |
| 21:07.08 | Kalroth | cool |
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| 21:13.16 | Fisker | why did it have to be oculus? |
| 21:13.39 | Shirik | lua> math.random() |
| 21:13.40 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.96426494976704 |
| 21:14.31 | Shirik | lua> function lrand(n) return n * (math.exp(math.ln(2) * math.random()) - 1) end for x = 1, 15 do print(lrand(100)) end |
| 21:14.32 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'ln' (a nil value) |
| 21:14.36 | Shirik | wat |
| 21:15.13 | Shirik | lua> function lrand(n) return n * (math.exp(math.log(2) * math.random()) - 1) end for x = 1, 15 do print(lrand(100)) end |
| 21:15.13 | lua_bot | Shirik: 10.552240691375, 0.70902823071879, 79.616472734648, 5.854159868145, 53.365248881181, 63.460228988187, 4.4937071420635, 7.4311184081403, 67.601729166878, 76.177017064933, 51.412867772559, 50.091460794546, 12.954238271814, 19.03080033899, 20.628023920761 |
| 21:15.17 | Shirik | foxlit: I think I win |
| 21:15.36 | Shirik | that seems fairly well distributed |
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| 21:20.02 | zenzelezz | data set is too small to jump to that conclusion |
| 21:21.36 | foxlit | What am I judging you on, Shirik? |
| 21:21.54 | Shirik | the discussion from last night! |
| 21:22.06 | Shirik | logarithmic probability between 0 and n |
| 21:22.55 | Shirik | or is it "inverse exponential"? |
| 21:23.00 | Shirik | something like that |
| 21:23.04 | zenzelezz | probability? I thought you were just looking for random numbers of a funky kind |
| 21:23.11 | foxlit | About 8% of your output is distributed between 90 and 100. About 14% is between 0 and 10. |
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| 21:25.47 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/130746 |
| 21:26.32 | NeoTron | actually someone had a good theory on occulus being more random than other places |
| 21:26.52 | NeoTron | so many people leave it right away meaning there's a larger need to fill pre-existing partial groups that's in there |
| 21:27.16 | zenzelezz | I stick to my theory of "we nerfed it, so now you're all going to have to play it" |
| 21:27.55 | NeoTron | it's like the best random to get |
| 21:28.00 | NeoTron | one of the fastest places to run |
| 21:28.02 | foxlit | AN |
| 21:28.03 | NeoTron | and overall so easy |
| 21:28.08 | NeoTron | AN is better yes |
| 21:28.10 | zenzelezz | AN, VH |
| 21:28.13 | foxlit | VH is meh. |
| 21:28.19 | NeoTron | VH is forced slowness |
| 21:28.22 | foxlit | You have to wait for those pesky portals to reappear. |
| 21:28.30 | zenzelezz | not that bad |
| 21:29.31 | Shirik | foxlit: Where's the rest? |
| 21:29.45 | foxlit | Shirik: see the pastey link. |
| 21:29.46 | Shirik | It should be about 33% 0-1, 33% 1-10, 33% 10-100 |
| 21:29.54 | foxlit | Nah. |
| 21:30.06 | foxlit | There's a slight preference for low numbers. But other than that, it's pretty fail. |
| 21:30.11 | Shirik | bleh |
| 21:30.22 | Shirik | maybe it's because of the base e |
| 21:30.23 | zenzelezz | Shirik: I thought you didn't know the highest possible value? |
| 21:30.26 | Shirik | I don't |
| 21:30.31 | Shirik | but I do at time of calculation |
| 21:30.55 | Shirik | if it were max 1000, then it would be 25% 0-1, 25% 1-10, 25% 10-100, 25% 100-1000 |
| 21:31.12 | zenzelezz | what if I passed it 375? |
| 21:31.37 | Shirik | well it's not limited to those sets |
| 21:31.51 | Shirik | like |
| 21:31.55 | zenzelezz | I'm just curious, math isn't my thing |
| 21:31.58 | Shirik | the range [2,3] has higher probability than [4,5] |
| 21:32.11 | Shirik | it's a continuous degredation |
| 21:32.34 | Shirik | I wonder if computation of 10^n is as trivial as e^n |
| 21:32.35 | foxlit | Hm, google charts. |
| 21:32.45 | zenzelezz | <3 Google Charts |
| 21:33.12 | foxlit | Crap, I only use pies and bars. |
| 21:33.37 | zenzelezz | you should try cakes in pubs |
| 21:33.56 | Shirik | ... |
| 21:34.22 | foxlit | Let's see if I can graph that cdf of yours. |
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| 21:41.06 | Fisker | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/2c8e7888ec4d003dce9467e1a20ceef1.jpg <-cool guys don't contribute to achievements |
| 21:41.14 | Shirik | how about this one foxlit |
| 21:41.42 | Shirik | lua> function lrand(n) return n * (10^(math.log10(2) * math.random()) - 1) end for x = 1, 15 do print(lrand(100)) end |
| 21:41.42 | lua_bot | Shirik: 8.2745050467089, 31.233831756588, 19.452107536266, 66.938965278656, 22.636534931024, 51.998075425086, 66.090104134364, 87.12244581369, 60.702617453674, 83.028205309307, 57.333279774035, 28.803034972418, 29.880589054495, 45.597131323434, 95.621822151054 |
| 21:41.56 | Shirik | no, that must be worse now that I think about it |
| 21:42.00 | Shirik | growls |
| 21:42.06 | Shirik | Let me tell you how I came to the original one |
| 21:42.44 | zenzelezz | Fisker: why is a warlock called "Bowfisker"? You're one of those crazy bow-wielding ones? |
| 21:42.45 | Shirik | I assume m*(a^(bx)-1) should meet the requirements |
| 21:42.57 | Shirik | I choose a == e because e^ something is easy to compute |
| 21:43.01 | Fisker | it's a hunter zenzelezz |
| 21:43.13 | zenzelezz | what? Why does your name look purple? |
| 21:43.21 | Fisker | it's grey |
| 21:43.39 | zenzelezz | boggles |
| 21:43.40 | Shirik | b == ln(2) because a^(bx) == 2 for x = 1 and a^(bx) == 1 for x = 0 |
| 21:43.43 | zenzelezz | custom colors? |
| 21:43.49 | Fisker | no |
| 21:44.27 | zenzelezz | slaps itts.apple.com... work faster damnit |
| 21:45.16 | NeoTron | zenzelezz: did you mean "titts.apple.com" |
| 21:45.25 | zenzelezz | sadly, no |
| 21:45.42 | zenzelezz | itts.apple.com is where you get download reports for your iPhone apps and crap on the iTunes store |
| 21:46.07 | NeoTron | ah. got some stuff out there? |
| 21:46.32 | zenzelezz | the company I work for has some iPhone apps, yeah |
| 21:47.11 | foxlit | Shirik: I'll just throw out the obvious observation that e^(ln(2) x) == 2^x |
| 21:47.28 | Shirik | huh? |
| 21:48.04 | Shirik | oh wow :/ |
| 21:48.05 | Shirik | it is |
| 21:48.26 | Fisker | works fine here zenzelezz |
| 21:48.30 | foxlit | And that is only /slightly/ off from 1+x |
| 21:49.05 | Shirik | hm, so what about |
| 21:49.08 | Shirik | 10^x |
| 21:49.16 | Shirik | can you run your magic on max * 10^x ? |
| 21:49.34 | zenzelezz | Fisker: it's a rollercoaster, for a moment it works fine, then it's slow as heck. After something like 30-60 seconds it goes "zomg session timeout, try again" |
| 21:49.40 | Shirik | wait |
| 21:49.48 | Shirik | I remember why I did 2^x now |
| 21:51.21 | zenzelezz | 2^x-files - the not quite so successful TV show |
| 21:52.20 | Shirik | 10^(x - 1) where x == 0 has a lower bound of 0.1 |
| 21:53.02 | Shirik | I could subtract 0.1 but that creates a upper bound of 0.9 |
| 21:54.03 | Shirik | (10^(x-1) -0.05) * (max / 0.95) |
| 21:54.05 | Shirik | what about that? |
| 21:54.44 | Shirik | lua> function lrand(n) return (10^(math.random() - 1) - 0.05) * (n / 0.95) end for x = 1, 15 do print(lrand(100)) end |
| 21:54.44 | lua_bot | Shirik: 72.076407509821, 22.222439012157, 83.716497125613, 33.145530335683, 11.580639739573, 59.476726445265, 31.94228656972, 37.815337789788, 34.992143291465, 35.239473305273, 32.739442829543, 94.714906509844, 48.055450463392, 30.660756736185, 81.791580412163 |
| 21:55.11 | Shirik | something still seems wrong :/ |
| 21:55.21 | Shirik | why is this so hard! It should be straightforward |
| 21:55.29 | foxlit | Bad assumptions? |
| 21:55.43 | Shirik | what assumption? |
| 21:55.57 | foxlit | a^(bx) is pretty suspicious. |
| 21:56.08 | Shirik | Well it is a logarithmic distribution |
| 21:56.11 | foxlit | [Really, it's just a^x] |
| 21:56.19 | Shirik | if you plot it on a logarithmic graph, it will be a straight line |
| 21:56.32 | Shirik | yeah well I'm doing a^x now |
| 21:56.37 | Shirik | 10^x / 10, specifically |
| 21:56.53 | Shirik | the / 10 just pulls it down to [0,1] again |
| 21:57.22 | Shirik | actually it brings it down to [0.1, 1] but that's why we do -0.05 / 0.95 |
| 21:57.56 | foxlit | Shouldn't that be - 0.1? |
| 21:58.04 | Shirik | nah |
| 21:58.16 | Shirik | I'm pulling it down to [0.05, 0.95] and then stretching it out to [0, 1] |
| 21:58.30 | Shirik | wait |
| 21:58.34 | Shirik | I'm a noob |
| 21:58.51 | Shirik | I was overthinking that :( |
| 21:58.55 | Shirik | lua> function lrand(n) return (10^(math.random() - 1) - 0.1) * (n / 0.90) end for x = 1, 15 do print(lrand(100)) end |
| 21:58.56 | lua_bot | Shirik: 12.18553842366, 2.9471258247191, 16.359731087973, 79.542731265517, 38.455154340363, 46.904796653765, 40.520879428334, 40.613494870248, 53.506840211262, 65.998283486304, 19.50186058627, 3.5306879892938, 85.300507324564, 27.155399249083, 12.052833090907 |
| 21:59.13 | Shirik | hrm |
| 22:00.41 | Shirik | lua> function lrand(n) return (10^(math.random() - 1) - 0.1) * (n / 0.90) end t = {0,0,0} for x = 1, 10000 do local n = lrand(100)); if n <= 1 then t[0] = t[0] + 1; elseif n<= 10 then t[1] = t[1] + 1; else t[2] = t[2] + 1; end end for k,v in ipairs(t) do print(v) end |
| 22:00.41 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ')' |
| 22:00.52 | Shirik | lua> function lrand(n) return (10^(math.random() - 1) - 0.1) * (n / 0.90) end t = {0,0,0} for x = 1, 10000 do local n = lrand(100); if n <= 1 then t[0] = t[0] + 1; elseif n<= 10 then t[1] = t[1] + 1; else t[2] = t[2] + 1; end end for k,v in ipairs(t) do print(v) end |
| 22:00.52 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on field '?' (a nil value) |
| 22:00.55 | Shirik | (#@P$*@ |
| 22:01.09 | Kraps | man that was going so good, then 2 wipes and 3 dead after running from the LK |
| 22:01.19 | Shirik | lua> function lrand(n) return (10^(math.random() - 1) - 0.1) * (n / 0.90) end t = {0,0,0} for x = 1, 10000 do local n = lrand(100); if n <= 1 then t[1] = t[1] + 1; elseif n<= 10 then t[2] = t[2] + 1; else t[3] = t[3] + 1; end end for k,v in ipairs(t) do print(v) end |
| 22:01.20 | lua_bot | Shirik: 366, 2378, 7256 |
| 22:01.28 | Shirik | still no foxlit :( |
| 22:02.05 | foxlit | Shirik: Try some x^a |
| 22:03.26 | foxlit | a=4 yields 32% in [0,1[, 25% in [1, 10[, and 44% in [10, 100[ |
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| 22:03.55 | Shirik | Maybe x^max? |
| 22:04.03 | Shirik | wait, what? |
| 22:04.09 | Shirik | x^a shouldn't give anything beyond 1 |
| 22:04.13 | Shirik | unless you're multiplying it by something |
| 22:04.21 | foxlit | max*x^a, obviously :) |
| 22:05.20 | Shirik | lua> function lrand(n) return n * math.random()^n end t = {0,0,0} for x = 1, 10000 do local n = lrand(100); if n <= 1 then t[1] = t[1] + 1; elseif n<= 10 then t[2] = t[2] + 1; else t[3] = t[3] + 1; end end for k,v in ipairs(t) do print(v) end |
| 22:05.21 | lua_bot | Shirik: 9570, 205, 225 |
| 22:05.22 | Shirik | ew |
| 22:05.24 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:06.00 | mikma | oh fuck you rogue quest |
| 22:06.11 | Shirik | lua> function lrand(n) return n * math.random()^math.log10(n) end t = {0,0,0} for x = 1, 10000 do local n = lrand(100); if n <= 1 then t[1] = t[1] + 1; elseif n<= 10 then t[2] = t[2] + 1; else t[3] = t[3] + 1; end end for k,v in ipairs(t) do print(v) end |
| 22:06.12 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1019, 2175, 6806 |
| 22:06.16 | foxlit | But it's not really the right solution; you just might be able to get something that looks right from a distance. |
| 22:06.16 | Shirik | ah well |
| 22:06.23 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=9991 |
| 22:06.28 | Shirik | maybe I should just not do this |
| 22:06.38 | foxlit | lua> function lrand(n) return n*math.random()^4; end for i=1,15 do print(lrand(100)); end |
| 22:06.38 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0.42651293265737, 54.184494775445, 7.5080782636441, 0.025946899115779, 13.568980158402, 86.538691946065, 46.60824568383, 34.599826801281, 26.117891897521, 0.00081528485689957, 1.1576128156818, 0.0064347527266868, 0.44077888478111, 7.1068367785508, 4.0075705244759 |
| 22:06.54 | Shirik | but why 4? I'm worried about how other ranges will do with it |
| 22:07.14 | foxlit | Ahem, experimental results. |
| 22:07.28 | Shirik | I will note that 4 is math.log10(n) + 1 |
| 22:07.33 | Shirik | coincidental, perhaps |
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| 22:07.57 | Shirik | no it's not |
| 22:07.58 | Arrowmaster | mikma: so go do the rest of the quest |
| 22:08.04 | Shirik | log(100) is 2, not 3? |
| 22:08.08 | Shirik | lua> math.log10(100) |
| 22:08.08 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2 |
| 22:08.17 | Shirik | lua> function lrand(n) return n * math.random()^(math.log10(n) + 1) end t = {0,0,0} for x = 1, 10000 do local n = lrand(100); if n <= 1 then t[1] = t[1] + 1; elseif n<= 10 then t[2] = t[2] + 1; else t[3] = t[3] + 1; end end for k,v in ipairs(t) do print(v) end |
| 22:08.17 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2152, 2543, 5305 |
| 22:08.21 | Shirik | hrm |
| 22:08.47 | Shirik | headdesks |
| 22:08.51 | batrick | lol |
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| 22:09.58 | batrick | math10 is for n00bs, real programmers use: math.log(n)/math.log(base) |
| 22:10.16 | foxlit | real third graders count the zeroes. |
| 22:10.34 | Aelobin | hmmm |
| 22:10.56 | Xinhuan | i'm not sure what you're thinking shirik, but i told you yesterday, that you need a downward sloping curve :) |
| 22:11.04 | WobWork | ugh, work =P |
| 22:11.06 | foxlit | The pdf should look something like e^-cx |
| 22:11.17 | Shirik | the PDF should be downward sloping Xinhuan, yes |
| 22:11.53 | Shirik | tbh, I look at it from a different way |
| 22:11.55 | Xinhuan | find an equation that has a curve that cuts through (0,x) and (N, 0), where N is the upper limit |
| 22:12.02 | Shirik | Take the equation y=x |
| 22:12.16 | Kraps | http://cgi.ebay.com/SNES-Portable-PSP-handheld-mod-custom-mini-cordless_W0QQitemZ260528101457QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_Games?hash=item3ca8af5851 |
| 22:12.27 | Xinhuan | involving log10 |
| 22:12.37 | Shirik | The PDF should be 1 - integral(x)? |
| 22:12.41 | Xinhuan | then divide by the area under that curve to make the pdf sum to 1 |
| 22:12.45 | Shirik | no |
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| 22:13.15 | Xinhuan | you want an inverse log10 curve |
| 22:13.24 | Shirik | yeah |
| 22:13.59 | Xinhuan | if N is 1000, you want the probability to be proportional to log10(1000-x) |
| 22:15.26 | Xinhuan | so you just need a constant k, where the integral from 0 to N of [k * log10(N - x)] sums to 1 |
| 22:16.27 | Shirik | since k is a constant, that means the integral of log10(N-x) sums to 1/k |
| 22:16.40 | Xinhuan | the value of k will depend on what N is |
| 22:17.13 | WobWork | "âThere has to be more to life than this!â, I would cry, as the delightfully foetid charnel smells of the swamp miasmatised around me, and overhead the ngau-ngau and zitadors whooped and skrarked." |
| 22:17.21 | WobWork | I <3 Neil Gaiman |
| 22:17.40 | Thunder_Child | mmm...snow crash |
| 22:18.03 | Thunder_Child | nothing says fun like sword wielding ninja pizza delivery guys |
| 22:18.18 | alestane | That's Neal Stephenson, but also an excellent author. |
| 22:18.25 | Shirik | log10x is lnx / ln10 |
| 22:19.08 | Xinhuan | yes, so take out the ln10 constant, and integrate ln(N-x) |
| 22:19.41 | Shirik | but neither N nor x are a constant |
| 22:19.42 | Thunder_Child | right, in that case i mmmm @ good omens |
| 22:19.48 | Shirik | so need to substitute and things are going to get messy immediately |
| 22:20.24 | WobWork | http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=58523 |
| 22:21.22 | alestane | Thunder_Child: Good Omens was great, but overall I think I prefer Neverwhere. |
| 22:22.13 | Xinhuan | you'll have to use integration by parts i think, iirc, to integrate ln(N-x) |
| 22:22.45 | foxlit | You're better off not considering N at all. |
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| 22:22.58 | Shirik | I already did Xinhuan :) |
| 22:23.02 | Silversage | Yo. Anyone here know the meaning of the number listed along the right side of the "All My Characters" screen of the WoW iPhone app? |
| 22:23.06 | WobWork | American Gods |
| 22:23.18 | foxlit | N is just a scaler; you're free to produce a distribution with the same properties in the [0, 1] range. |
| 22:23.21 | WobWork | and the Graveyard Book |
| 22:23.37 | Dagmar | Graveyard Book is awesome |
| 22:23.39 | Shirik | I'm currently at 1/ln10 * ln(N-x) - integral(-1/(N-x)) |
| 22:23.42 | alestane | American Gods was also very good. |
| 22:24.05 | foxlit | [If 0-1 is as likely as 1-10, 0-0.1 is as likely as 0.1-1 and so on -- there's no reason to bother with how high it can go] |
| 22:24.42 | WobWork | Silversage: achievement score? |
| 22:25.03 | Xinhuan | foxlit, yet it does |
| 22:25.08 | Xinhuan | it must sum to 1 |
| 22:25.23 | Xinhuan | if the range is [0-1], the distribution isn't teh same as [0-10000] |
| 22:25.30 | Silversage | wobwork: Don't think so. It does not match my characters' achievement scores. |
| 22:25.57 | foxlit | I'm telling you that if you have a distribution with the desired property over the [0, 1] range, you might as well just multiply its output by 1000 to get a distribution in the [0, 1000] range with the same property. |
| 22:26.10 | Shirik | 1/ln10 * ln(N-x) - ln(N-x) ? |
| 22:26.21 | Xinhuan | shirik, foxlit's got a point, heh |
| 22:26.21 | Shirik | that can't be right |
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| 22:26.46 | foxlit | [My statement isn't valid generally, but it does apply here.] |
| 22:26.59 | WobWork | Silversage: the number with the little yellow badge? |
| 22:27.06 | Shirik | lua> function lrand(n) local x = math.random(); return 1/math.log(10) * math.log(n-x) - math.log(n-x) end t = {0,0,0} for x = 1, 10000 do local n = lrand(100); if n <= 1 then t[1] = t[1] + 1; elseif n<= 10 then t[2] = t[2] + 1; else t[3] = t[3] + 1; end end for k,v in ipairs(t) do print(v) end |
| 22:27.07 | lua_bot | Shirik: 10000, 0, 0 |
| 22:27.09 | Xinhuan | shirik |
| 22:27.09 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:27.10 | Xinhuan | http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp?expr=ln%28N-x%29&random=false |
| 22:27.10 | foxlit | You still have to bother with the integral being equal to 1, you just don't have to bother with N. |
| 22:28.43 | Shirik | sure foxlit |
| 22:28.50 | Shirik | but the problem isn't particularly N here |
| 22:28.53 | Shirik | it's finding the relation |
| 22:29.15 | Shirik | Xinhuan, I've totally forgot why we got here |
| 22:29.18 | Shirik | what is this integral for |
| 22:29.33 | Xinhuan | [12/29 06:14:53] <Xinhuan> so you just need a constant k, where the integral from 0 to N of [k * log10(N - x)] sums to 1 |
| 22:30.31 | Shirik | ok then what we really want is http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp?expr=log10(N-x)&random=false |
| 22:30.39 | Xinhuan | better test it out |
| 22:31.57 | Xinhuan | i mean, test to see if the result is what we want |
| 22:33.03 | Shirik | ok 2x / log10(2*n - x) = k |
| 22:33.18 | Silversage | wobwork: yes |
| 22:33.29 | Shirik | er, where x = 1 |
| 22:33.33 | Shirik | wait |
| 22:33.34 | Shirik | no |
| 22:33.35 | Shirik | blah |
| 22:33.35 | WobWork | Silversage: then for the majority of my toons, it matches with the achievement score |
| 22:33.46 | Shirik | Xinhuan, why do we want it to sum to 1? |
| 22:33.52 | WobWork | Silversage: one or two it doesn't but it's not too far off, so I'd assume a caching issue |
| 22:33.55 | Shirik | I assume probability |
| 22:34.02 | Xinhuan | because the area under a probability curve sums to 1 |
| 22:34.04 | Shirik | right |
| 22:34.21 | Shirik | but ok we have our PDF of k*log10(N-x) |
| 22:34.22 | Shirik | so what? |
| 22:34.51 | Xinhuan | you use that equation to generate your random numbers |
| 22:35.04 | Shirik | how? You can't just throw a number in there |
| 22:35.08 | Shirik | the output is a probability, not a value |
| 22:35.35 | Silversage | It is not the same as achievement for *any* of my toons, but you're right, it's always close. |
| 22:36.22 | Xinhuan | let y = k*log10(N-x), we know y is between 0-1 |
| 22:36.30 | krka | ooh, math talk |
| 22:36.37 | Xinhuan | express x in terms of y instead, and feed your random number generator that number between 0-1 |
| 22:37.42 | Shirik | that makes sense |
| 22:37.52 | foxlit | You're supposed to do that to the cdf, not pdf, however. |
| 22:38.01 | Xinhuan | ah yes, foxlit is right |
| 22:38.14 | Shirik | really? I just traced it in my head, it made sense |
| 22:38.18 | Xinhuan | forgot that point |
| 22:38.31 | Shirik | unless I have the graph backwards |
| 22:38.37 | Shirik | we're talking about an inverse logarithmic PDF here no? |
| 22:39.14 | Xinhuan | foxlit is correct |
| 22:39.36 | Xinhuan | the area under the probably curve k*log10(N-x) sums to 1, but the output range isn't actually between 0-1 |
| 22:39.52 | Xinhuan | so we want the CDF of teh PDF, and use that for the formula |
| 22:39.53 | Shirik | ah this is right |
| 22:40.04 | Shirik | but the CDF doesn't make much sense either |
| 22:40.20 | Xinhuan | the CDF is just the cumulative area from 0 to n |
| 22:40.24 | Shirik | I know what it is |
| 22:40.25 | Xinhuan | it starts at 0, and ends at 1 |
| 22:40.30 | Shirik | but it's not going to be right |
| 22:40.30 | foxlit | So what's k*log10(N-x) ? |
| 22:40.44 | Shirik | You can trace it, it will skew numbers to the right heavily |
| 22:40.55 | Xinhuan | i don't know if you derived k*log10(N-x) correctly, but what's k? |
| 22:40.57 | Shirik | wait no it won't |
| 22:41.04 | Shirik | yeah it makes sense |
| 22:41.10 | foxlit | k is just to scale the integeral, fine. But log10(N-x) is kind of silly. What's the domain of x there? |
| 22:41.11 | Shirik | and the CDF is just the integral of the PDF, which we already have |
| 22:41.21 | Shirik | foxlit: 0 to 1 |
| 22:41.31 | Xinhuan | x is between 0-N |
| 22:41.41 | Shirik | ok so that's why none of this makes sense, heh |
| 22:41.58 | foxlit | So, for the sake of sanity, let's say N=1, which makes both of you correct. |
| 22:42.05 | Shirik | ok so it really should be N - x*N |
| 22:42.06 | Xinhuan | we want to derive an equation between 0-1 that maps to 0-N with teh desired distrbution |
| 22:42.20 | foxlit | So you get log10(1-x), which is negative. |
| 22:42.24 | foxlit | Kind of meh? |
| 22:42.54 | Xinhuan | hmm there should be a +1 somewhere |
| 22:42.57 | foxlit | I mean sure, k will flip that after you integrate and force the area equal to 1 |
| 22:43.08 | foxlit | but that will make high values more likely. |
| 22:43.15 | Xinhuan | i don't intend to do the math myself |
| 22:43.33 | Xinhuan | my original point is |
| 22:43.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 22:43.35 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 22:43.47 | ScytheBlade1 | is now slightly less bored |
| 22:43.48 | Xinhuan | [12/29 06:13:27] <Xinhuan> if N is 1000, you want the probability to be proportional to log10(1000-x) for some x between 0-N |
| 22:44.03 | Shirik | he's right though, the PDF is an inverse logarithmic function |
| 22:44.15 | Xinhuan | there could be a +1 somewhere i didn't account for to avoid negatives |
| 22:44.17 | Yssaril | is there anyway to match the end of a string in lua? |
| 22:44.22 | Shirik | Yssaril: $ |
| 22:44.29 | Yssaril | cool thanks |
| 22:45.33 | Shirik | the PDF is something like 1/ln(x+1) |
| 22:45.45 | Shirik | because of base 10, we prefer 1/log10(x+1) |
| 22:45.45 | foxlit | perhaps you're better off defining F(x) = F(10*x) - F(x) |
| 22:46.31 | Xinhuan | you basically just need to define the right curve, and scale it accordingly to get the right pdf |
| 22:49.34 | Xinhuan | Devourer of Souls killed - 14 |
| 22:49.39 | Xinhuan | Number of trinkets seen: 0 |
| 22:49.41 | Shirik | foxlit, I'm not sure I understand that statement |
| 22:49.44 | Xinhuan | blizzard hates me |
| 22:49.57 | Shirik | Unless one of those Fs was supposed to be lowercase |
| 22:49.58 | foxlit | Shirik: [0, 1] should be as likely as [1, 10] |
| 22:50.03 | Shirik | Perhaps F(x) = f(10x)? |
| 22:50.07 | Shirik | er |
| 22:50.10 | Shirik | 2F(x) = f(10x) |
| 22:50.15 | foxlit | No, it's cdf all the way. |
| 22:50.39 | Shirik | oh I see now |
| 22:50.41 | Shirik | I got it |
| 22:51.52 | Shirik | Also we know F(1) = 1 / (log10(n) + 1) |
| 22:52.02 | Shirik | right? |
| 22:52.30 | foxlit | I'm inclined to stick with the [0, 1] domain for this purpose, so F(1) = 1. |
| 22:52.53 | foxlit | i.e. you're guaranteed to generate a number <= 1 |
| 22:53.03 | Shirik | oh sorry, I was thinking PDF anyway |
| 22:53.11 | Shirik | and I think you are too |
| 22:53.19 | Shirik | oh n |
| 22:53.20 | Shirik | m |
| 22:53.22 | Shirik | I'm so confused |
| 22:53.23 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:53.56 | Shirik | Look, the CDF is so easy |
| 22:54.17 | Shirik | If you plot the y axis logarithmically, it's a straight line |
| 22:54.40 | Shirik | I should be clearer, it's y=mx |
| 22:54.46 | Shirik | in that shape |
| 22:55.09 | Xinhuan | your random number generator has an output range though |
| 22:55.09 | Shirik | I'm going to ask excel again to solve it |
| 22:55.14 | Shirik | it's on the range of 0 to 1 |
| 22:55.18 | Xinhuan | it doesn't generate between 0-infinity |
| 22:57.15 | Xinhuan | so integrate that cdf to get the pdf, and adjust it the so that the lowerbound output is 0 probability, and the upperbound output is 1 |
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| 23:00.47 | Shirik | gah |
| 23:00.53 | Shirik | how do you create a trendline with excel correctly |
| 23:00.57 | Shirik | I have this beautiful line |
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| 23:02.20 | Shirik | ok, for a CDF that goes from 0-1000, it says the equation is 0.1086lnx + 0.25 |
| 23:02.32 | Shirik | I may have screwed that up though |
| 23:02.37 | Shirik | brb, dinner |
| 23:06.20 | foxlit | wonders about the soundness of that definition. |
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| 23:07.17 | foxlit | If [0, 1] is as likely as [1, 10], then [0, 0.1] is as likely as [0.1, 1], [0, 0.01] is as likely as [0.01, 0.1]... |
| 23:10.18 | Kraps | bioshock for $5 |
| 23:10.31 | kd3 | ! |
| 23:11.07 | Kraps | is that good? |
| 23:11.23 | foxlit | bioshock is good. |
| 23:11.42 | krka | can someone give me a short summary of what you're trying to solve? |
| 23:12.03 | Kraps | i pllayed the demo, it creeped me out |
| 23:12.05 | foxlit | krka: Shirik wants a random number generator that has a particular property. |
| 23:13.12 | foxlit | The property is loosely described by forcing saying that the following ranges should have about equal probabilities of being generated: [0, 1], [1, 10], [10, 100], [100, 1000], ... |
| 23:13.23 | krka | i see |
| 23:13.50 | foxlit | Up to some user-definable upper bound N. |
| 23:14.02 | krka | so P(1) = P(10) - P(1), P(10) = P(100) - P(10), and P(0) = 0 |
| 23:14.20 | krka | or something like that |
| 23:14.22 | kdtresh | with N always a 10^x? |
| 23:15.08 | foxlit | krka: if by P(x) you mean P(X <= x), yes. |
| 23:15.25 | krka | ah yes |
| 23:15.32 | krka | i am a bit rusty on my stats |
| 23:15.37 | foxlit | kdtresh: assume at your own peril; if it helps you, you might as well. |
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| 23:16.29 | Knodi | can anyone log in to the worldofwarcraft.com or battle.net? |
| 23:16.30 | kdtresh | foxlit: i assume nothing, i haven't done math like that in years |
| 23:16.36 | Knodi | loging seems to be not working |
| 23:16.40 | Knodi | can someoen confirm this? |
| 23:17.45 | Shirik | back |
| 23:18.19 | Knodi | can anyone else login to worldofwarcraft.com? |
| 23:18.22 | kdtresh | Knodi: i just got login failed |
| 23:18.24 | Shirik | kdtresh: Not necessarily N is always 10^x, but that is probably the only way it will be used |
| 23:18.40 | krka | hmm... so we need an f such that f(x) = 0.5 * f(10x) ? |
| 23:18.43 | Knodi | i get no error but returns me back to the login page |
| 23:18.50 | Kraps | Indigo Prophecy: yay or nay? |
| 23:19.07 | kdtresh | Knodi: a "login failed" bubble pops out to the right of the username field for me |
| 23:19.08 | kd3 | kraps; I'm highly curious |
| 23:19.27 | kd3 | it's part of the combo pack, isn't it? |
| 23:19.33 | foxlit | Didn't that game have a different name? |
| 23:20.09 | Kraps | foxlit: yeah |
| 23:21.59 | Shirik | lua> math.log(0) |
| 23:22.00 | lua_bot | Shirik: -inf |
| 23:22.10 | Shirik | lua> math.log(0.0001) |
| 23:22.11 | lua_bot | Shirik: -9.2103403719762 |
| 23:22.22 | krka | lua> math.log(1) |
| 23:22.22 | lua_bot | krka: 0 |
| 23:22.30 | krka | lua> math.log(math.e) |
| 23:22.30 | lua_bot | krka: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'log' (number expected, got nil) |
| 23:22.33 | krka | lua> math.log(math.E) |
| 23:22.33 | lua_bot | krka: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'log' (number expected, got nil) |
| 23:22.41 | krka | meh |
| 23:22.44 | kd3 | ~wiki Indigo Prophecy |
| 23:22.47 | Shirik | I agree foxlit it doesn't seem right |
| 23:22.58 | kd3 | fail purl |
| 23:22.59 | kd3 | fail |
| 23:23.27 | Shirik | HTTP/1.0?? |
| 23:23.29 | Shirik | noob |
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| 23:23.43 | foxlit | Servers are allowed to do whatever. |
| 23:23.50 | Xinhuan | yes, that's why you need to adjust the PDF such that your lowerbound output is 0 and upperbound output is 1 |
| 23:24.02 | batrick | hello shirik |
| 23:24.06 | Xinhuan | CDF i mean |
| 23:24.08 | Shirik | hi batrick |
| 23:24.15 | Shirik | I already did Xinhuan |
| 23:24.19 | Shirik | I have a good PDF |
| 23:24.27 | Shirik | er, CDF |
| 23:24.40 | Shirik | but it looks like it's only good on the interval [0.25,1] |
| 23:24.54 | Xinhuan | what's your CDF formula |
| 23:25.13 | Shirik | well, excel claims it's 0.1086lnx + 0.25 |
| 23:25.24 | Shirik | This is for outputs between [0, 1000] |
| 23:25.38 | Xinhuan | the CDF formula shuld be irrellevant of N |
| 23:25.43 | Xinhuan | that is, before adjusting |
| 23:26.12 | Xinhuan | ok whats your pdf formula? |
| 23:26.25 | Shirik | well then adjust that for being independent |
| 23:26.30 | Shirik | basically, divide it by 1000 |
| 23:26.44 | Shirik | actualyl, no |
| 23:26.49 | Shirik | it can't be independent of N |
| 23:27.01 | Shirik | because it's not a linear relationship |
| 23:27.05 | Shirik | it MUST depend on N |
| 23:27.12 | Xinhuan | just give me the equatino of your pdf first |
| 23:27.18 | Shirik | I don't have a PDF |
| 23:27.24 | Shirik | take its derivative :P |
| 23:27.48 | Xinhuan | well your formula is wrong |
| 23:27.54 | Shirik | Excel disagrees with you |
| 23:28.55 | Shirik | It's quite simple. For values on the range [0,1000] we know 4 points: (1,0.25), (10,0.5), (100, 0.75), (1000, 1) |
| 23:29.06 | Shirik | That produces a logarithmic graph with an r^2 value of 1 |
| 23:29.30 | Xinhuan | clearly its wrong because if you put x = 0 into the formula, you should get 0 |
| 23:29.53 | Shirik | (18:24:38) (@Shirik) but it looks like it's only good on the interval [0.25,1] |
| 23:30.01 | krka | i think i reduced it to: 2/(1-x)^k - 1/(1-nx)^k = 1 |
| 23:30.03 | Xinhuan | yes, so the formula is wrong |
| 23:30.08 | Xinhuan | you have to account for x = 0 |
| 23:30.11 | Shirik | the relationship is correct |
| 23:30.18 | krka | if anyone can solve k as a function of n, i have a solution |
| 23:30.21 | Shirik | the technical aspects of it is wrong |
| 23:30.23 | krka | n in your specific case is 10 |
| 23:30.35 | Shirik | solve for k, krka? |
| 23:30.36 | krka | assuming my approach is correct at all |
| 23:30.39 | krka | yes |
| 23:30.48 | Xinhuan | krka has what i intended i think |
| 23:30.49 | Shirik | shouldn't be too hard |
| 23:31.22 | krka | i started with the assumption that the function is on the form: f(x) = 1/(1-x)^k - 1 |
| 23:31.33 | krka | and the rule that f(x) = f(nx) / 2 |
| 23:31.40 | Shirik | ln(2/(1-x)^k - 1/(1-nx)^k) = ln1 --> ln(2/(1-x)^k)/ln(1/(1-nx)^k) = ln1 |
| 23:31.58 | Xinhuan | oh that's wrong already |
| 23:32.00 | Xinhuan | i'll work it out |
| 23:32.01 | Shirik | kln(2/(1-x))/kln(1/(1-nx)) = ln1 |
| 23:32.12 | Adys | Maldivia: ping |
| 23:32.17 | Shirik | whoops |
| 23:32.19 | Shirik | I just got rid of your k |
| 23:32.20 | Shirik | grats |
| 23:32.30 | krka | doh |
| 23:32.40 | krka | so k can be anything? that makes no sense :) |
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| 23:32.58 | Shirik | well, it can be non-zero |
| 23:33.07 | krka | which means that my assumption was probably wrong |
| 23:33.22 | Shirik | or my math is wrong |
| 23:33.25 | Shirik | but I don't think so |
| 23:33.40 | Shirik | but hell, I've made a million mistakes on this already |
| 23:34.13 | foxlit | F(x) = 2^log10(x); x = 0..1 |
| 23:34.41 | foxlit | R(r) = n*2^log10(r) |
| 23:35.32 | krka | weird, i got k = ln(1-x) / ln(2) |
| 23:36.18 | foxlit | er, that last part is silly. |
| 23:37.22 | Polarina | I got make_it_happen() |
| 23:39.29 | Shirik | Like this is so stupid. The formula is so obvious except for values below 1 |
| 23:40.43 | krka | i give up i think |
| 23:40.52 | krka | thanks for the nerd sniping :) |
| 23:40.56 | Shirik | rofl |
| 23:41.12 | krka | http://xkcd.com/356/ |
| 23:41.28 | foxlit | So, does the following satisfy the constraints: 100% of values are <= 1, 50% <= 0.1, 25% <= 0.01, 12.5% <= 0.001... |
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| 23:42.06 | Shirik | hmm |
| 23:42.10 | foxlit | It seems like that'd make P([0, X]) = P([X, X*10]) |
| 23:42.22 | Shirik | see I don't think you can simplify it like that |
| 23:42.41 | Shirik | because the proportions differ based on how wide it is |
| 23:42.52 | Shirik | Like, look at it this way |
| 23:42.57 | Shirik | Imagine the bounds are [0,10] |
| 23:43.20 | Shirik | then 50% of the values are 0-1, which are 1/10 of the values |
| 23:43.26 | Shirik | Now imagine the bounds are [0,100] |
| 23:43.45 | Polarina | What are you all trying to solve? |
| 23:43.50 | Shirik | eh, for simplicity, let's look at [0,1000] |
| 23:44.21 | foxlit | That seems to be how I interpreted your requirements. |
| 23:44.24 | Shirik | 1/10 of those values are [0,100] but that should account for 75% |
| 23:45.07 | Shirik | do you see what I'm saying? |
| 23:45.29 | Shirik | The proportions differ based on what the size is |
| 23:46.23 | foxlit | Why 75%? |
| 23:46.50 | Shirik | 0-1 is 25%, 1-10 is 25%, 10-100 is 25% |
| 23:46.53 | kdtresh | because there are only 4 "regions" |
| 23:47.04 | Polarina | What are you all trying to solve? |
| 23:47.25 | cairnz | he wants a distribution randomly between 0 and n |
| 23:47.36 | Polarina | Why is that so difficult? |
| 23:47.43 | cairnz | but the distribution within every pow(10) should be equal |
| 23:47.49 | foxlit | Hm, okay. That's a different set of requirements, then. :) |
| 23:47.52 | Polarina | Exclusively or inclusively? |
| 23:48.01 | Shirik | Right now, I really don't care |
| 23:48.11 | cairnz | so if n is 500, you want 0-1, 1-10, 10-100, 100-500 distributed equally |
| 23:48.22 | Shirik | eh, 100-500 wouldn't have equal distribution |
| 23:48.32 | Polarina | 100-1000 |
| 23:48.40 | cairnz | according to your requirements earlier it should |
| 23:48.55 | Shirik | n doesn't have to be a power of 10, but it's not going to act as if it were 10 |
| 23:49.00 | foxlit | But why isn't 0-0.1 25%, though? |
| 23:49.16 | Polarina | Why can't you just try out pow(10)? |
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| 23:49.18 | foxlit | [Silly question; but nevermind.] |
| 23:49.21 | cairnz | he didn't specify it |
| 23:49.24 | Shirik | foxlit: I guess that's where the problems occur |
| 23:49.29 | cairnz | --> math.random() * math.pow(10,math.random(0,4)) |
| 23:49.29 | batbot | cairnz: > 3.0383826247595 |
| 23:49.31 | Shirik | the whole "0" concept |
| 23:49.45 | cairnz | that gives a 0-10, 0-100, 0-1000 but roughly even distribution |
| 23:49.50 | cairnz | (0-1 as well) |
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| 23:49.58 | Shirik | Maybe I shouldn't go for 0 |
| 23:50.00 | foxlit | Hey, roll once for which segment you're in, roll once more for the value in that segment. |
| 23:50.11 | Shirik | that's not really what I was looking for :P |
| 23:50.22 | foxlit | Cheaper, too. |
| 23:50.23 | Shirik | I know it fits the requirements, but that's because the requirements are difficult to describe |
| 23:50.29 | cairnz | foxlit: i suggested that in the first place, "too slow" he said ;) |
| 23:50.48 | batrick | !lua shiriks_function = function () local a = math.random(); if a <= .25 then return math.random() elseif a <= .5 then return math.random(1, 10); elseif a <= .75 then return math.random(10,100); else return math.random(100,1000) end end ; return shiriks_function() |
| 23:50.48 | batbot | batrick: > 2 |
| 23:50.52 | Shirik | cairnz: If that's what you suggested, then I misunderstood |
| 23:50.52 | batrick | tada |
| 23:51.01 | Shirik | no batrick |
| 23:51.05 | batrick | yes shirik! |
| 23:51.07 | Shirik | It's supposed to be a continuous function |
| 23:51.13 | Shirik | P(200) is not equivalent to P(150) |
| 23:51.16 | foxlit | Basically, you're requirements are ill-defined around 0. |
| 23:51.17 | Shirik | P(200) should be less than P(150) |
| 23:51.19 | Polarina | Do a random(0, 4), if 1, then x = 1, if 2 then x = 10, if 3 then x = 100, etc.; random(0, 1) * x |
| 23:51.21 | Polarina | Easy! |
| 23:51.29 | Shirik | I think perhaps here's the best way of doing it |
| 23:51.43 | Shirik | forget 0 |
| 23:51.48 | cairnz | Polarina: except random (0,1) gives 0 or 1, while random() gives 0-1 |
| 23:51.55 | Shirik | If we're doing n=100, then the lower bound is 0.01 |
| 23:52.02 | Shirik | n=10, lower bound is 0.1 |
| 23:52.03 | Shirik | etc. |
| 23:52.03 | Polarina | cairnz: You get my point. :D |
| 23:52.07 | Shirik | that may be a lot better |
| 23:52.08 | cairnz | and that if random() gives 0.05 - multiply by 10 still is only .5 ;) |
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| 23:52.28 | Polarina | cairnz: Addition can solve that. |
| 23:52.38 | Shirik | Totally random question. Anyone ever heard of this movie Bridge to Terabithia? |
| 23:52.40 | cairnz | so there's a bit uneven distribution with spikes on every pow-10 |
| 23:52.45 | batrick | Shirik: yes |
| 23:52.47 | batrick | and it's evil |
| 23:52.50 | Shirik | evil? |
| 23:52.53 | cairnz | Polarina: yes, lot of additional checks ;) |
| 23:52.56 | batrick | as in, evil |
| 23:52.57 | batrick | yes |
| 23:53.00 | Shirik | why? |
| 23:53.01 | foxlit | [Concidentially, things work out to x^3.3219280950 << magic value. to keep the [0, X] [X, X*10] chunks equiprobable.] |
| 23:53.19 | cairnz | znore time, later |
| 23:53.20 | kdtresh | bridge to terabithia is a depressing story |
| 23:53.22 | batrick | it's just one of those movies that try desprately to make you sad but fails miserably |
| 23:53.32 | Shirik | lol wtf batrick |
| 23:53.56 | kdtresh | i never saw the movie, just read the book |
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| 23:59.26 | foxlit | Shirik: n=10, lower bound is n^-1 |
| 23:59.32 | foxlit | That might not be good. |
| 23:59.37 | Shirik | why not? |
