| 00:00.01 | cbreak | but it seems some of my guild claimed to have done the raid quest four times already |
| 00:00.18 | Jerub | cbreak: hax |
| 00:00.38 | cbreak | I so far did it three times |
| 00:00.52 | cbreak | (today was one of them) |
| 00:00.59 | cbreak | maybe I can do it again sunday :) |
| 00:01.15 | Jerub | i'd be really careful. |
| 00:01.15 | Phaqui | Does it exist a good reference to the functions used to create UIs? |
| 00:01.35 | Jerub | people have been suspended for spending EoF they got too many of on in the first week due to bugs |
| 00:01.40 | Phaqui | I'm having a hard time creating a rather simple UI.. |
| 00:01.57 | Lopeppeppy | Fateful last words! |
| 00:02.10 | Lopeppeppy | ~wowprogramming |
| 00:02.11 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 00:02.11 | cbreak | considering I have over 200 of the other marks |
| 00:02.14 | Lopeppeppy | ~pil |
| 00:02.15 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 00:02.18 | Lopeppeppy | ~lua |
| 00:02.19 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 00:02.22 | cbreak | I don't think I'll spend the new ones faster |
| 00:02.45 | Phaqui | Thanks, I'll look into these |
| 00:03.18 | Lopeppeppy | There's no omg-easy tutorial, but those references will get you all the knowlege you need. |
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| 00:03.54 | foxlit | FrameXML ships with a tutorial. |
| 00:03.57 | foxlit | Wiki has a few howtos. |
| 00:04.24 | foxlit | faraframes is probably useful |
| 00:05.03 | foxlit | But it is perhaps easier to describe what sort of issues you're having so that we can point you in a more specific direction. |
| 00:08.50 | Legorol | How do you teach or redefine keywords in purl, such as ~pil and ~lua? |
| 00:09.02 | foxlit | "~blah is ...." |
| 00:09.08 | foxlit | "~no, blah is ..." |
| 00:11.24 | Legorol | thanks |
| 00:16.04 | Legorol | ~no, lua is extra, extra, read all about it, Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 00:16.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lua |
| 00:16.23 | purl | lua is probably a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 00:16.27 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I thought. |
| 00:16.33 | ScytheBlade1 | You tell purl directly what it is |
| 00:16.42 | ScytheBlade1 | purl: no, lua is x y and z |
| 00:16.43 | purl | ScytheBlade1: okay |
| 00:16.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and purl responds |
| 00:17.01 | ScytheBlade1 | If purl doesn't respond, no go |
| 00:17.13 | Legorol | right |
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| 00:17.28 | foxlit | It's interesting that the various ways of attempting to get her attention aren't equal. You should be able to do it without a prefix through PMs |
| 00:17.33 | Legorol | also from you having done ~lua, i notice that the beginning of the first sentence is auto-generated, so i shouldn't have copy-pasted it |
| 00:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | You can do that as well |
| 00:17.41 | ScytheBlade1 | and it is |
| 00:17.45 | Legorol | ~Lua |
| 00:17.46 | purl | methinks lua is x y and z |
| 00:17.51 | Legorol | lol ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:17.59 | Legorol | look what you did there |
| 00:18.09 | cbreak | ~alice is much smarter than purl |
| 00:18.10 | purl | ...but alice is already something else... |
| 00:18.13 | Legorol | purl: no, lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 00:18.14 | purl | Legorol: okay |
| 00:18.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ~alice |
| 00:18.16 | purl | Who the fuck is Alice? |
| 00:18.19 | ScytheBlade1 | .. lol |
| 00:18.20 | cbreak | :) |
| 00:18.21 | Legorol | rofl |
| 00:18.28 | Legorol | ~Lua |
| 00:18.29 | purl | from memory, lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 00:18.33 | Legorol | :( |
| 00:18.34 | foxlit | purl: lua2 is <reply> oh hi there |
| 00:18.35 | purl | foxlit: okay |
| 00:18.38 | Legorol | why does it eat the capitalisation |
| 00:18.39 | foxlit | ~lua2 |
| 00:18.40 | purl | oh hi there |
| 00:18.51 | foxlit | purl, forget lua2 |
| 00:18.51 | purl | foxlit: i forgot lua2 |
| 00:19.11 | Legorol | ok, so i can do: |
| 00:19.13 | foxlit | Legorol: probably because it's trying to fit it in a sentence fragment |
| 00:19.21 | Legorol | purl: Lua is <reply> ua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 00:19.22 | purl | ...but lua is already something else... |
| 00:19.22 | Legorol | [00:18] <Legorol> :( |
| 00:19.24 | Legorol | oops |
| 00:19.36 | ScytheBlade1 | purl: forget lua |
| 00:19.36 | purl | ScytheBlade1: i forgot lua |
| 00:19.40 | ScytheBlade1 | .. and now you can set it |
| 00:19.48 | Legorol | purl: Lua is <reply> Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 00:19.49 | purl | Legorol: okay |
| 00:19.52 | Legorol | ~Lua |
| 00:19.53 | purl | Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 00:19.59 | Legorol | ~lua |
| 00:20.00 | purl | Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 00:20.02 | Legorol | I win |
| 00:20.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Took you long enough |
| 00:20.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 00:20.29 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: you didn't need to nuke the definition, i should've been able to change it |
| 00:20.34 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed |
| 00:20.35 | Legorol | just needed to right syntax |
| 00:20.44 | Legorol | purl: ScytheBlade1 is mean |
| 00:20.45 | purl | Legorol: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 00:20.46 | ScytheBlade1 | The reason you couldn't is because you didn't say "no, lua is xyz" |
| 00:20.53 | Legorol | yes i know |
| 00:21.15 | cbreak | ~AI is just a fad. |
| 00:21.16 | purl | ...but ai is already something else... |
| 00:21.23 | cbreak | ... |
| 00:21.27 | foxlit | ~ai |
| 00:21.28 | purl | [ai] a myth, the best they have so far is actual stupidity, or me APT!, or american idol |
| 00:21.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ~AI |
| 00:21.29 | purl | i heard ai is a myth, the best they have so far is actual stupidity, or me APT!, or american idol |
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| 01:00.38 | jcs609 | hello |
| 01:01.18 | Legorol|alt | hi |
| 01:01.33 | jcs609 | its quiet in here |
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| 01:07.36 | Lopeppeppy | It's prime raiding time, people are busy. :) |
| 01:08.33 | jcs609 | ahh, I need to server transfer and join a raiding guild... |
| 01:08.39 | jcs609 | after i learn to program.... |
| 01:10.38 | Jerub | jcs609: no raiding guilds on your server? |
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| 01:18.07 | jcs609 | its kind of an odd situation |
| 01:18.26 | jcs609 | they have em but nobody is recruiting hunters |
| 01:22.35 | p3lim | Is there any event that fires when I move? |
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| 01:24.01 | p3lim | or macro condition |
| 01:24.31 | Legorol | none |
| 01:24.44 | Legorol | the only way to detect that you moved is to poll your map coordinates |
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| 01:26.34 | p3lim | how exact are those? |
| 01:26.38 | p3lim | gah |
| 01:27.44 | p3lim | In Molinari, an addon of mine, if I don't Disenchant the item (either by moving or double-clicking the item) it will equip the item instead. |
| 01:28.12 | p3lim | double-clicking aint an issue, but moving is |
| 01:33.18 | ScytheBlade1 | http://store.steampowered.com/sub/2687/ |
| 01:33.36 | Legorol | p3lim: are you talking about the casting of Disenchant being cancelled due to movement? |
| 01:33.46 | Legorol | if that's the case you want to detect, then look for the appropriate spell failure event |
| 01:34.51 | olafski | nice deal scytheblade1 |
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| 02:21.46 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, wow. that is a deal. |
| 02:23.47 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: wow |
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| 02:29.10 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: aye |
| 02:29.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ZorbaTHut: aye |
| 02:29.28 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: I just want it for Flora's Fruit Farm. |
| 02:29.35 | Thunder_Child | pfft, there is only 1 good game on there anyway |
| 02:29.37 | ckknight | don't know about you. |
| 02:29.39 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 02:30.25 | cogwheel | i have too many little-to-un-played games in my house to need any more though >< |
| 02:30.31 | A-KO | nothing I hate more than people not CCing, so I yell out for CCs, and someone's like "it got broken"...then I"m like "uhm, CC again?" (on Deathwhisper 25) |
| 02:30.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I dunno... look at that price |
| 02:31.07 | cogwheel | yeah there's that |
| 02:31.43 | cogwheel | already have the Deus Exs |
| 02:33.11 | ZorbaTHut | there's a lot of crummy games in there, but Batman, Deus Ex, Hitman, Thief, and Tomb Raider are all good. even if I might never get around to playing Tomb Raider. |
| 02:33.24 | ZorbaTHut | as a downside, you get Kane and Lynch. |
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| 03:01.57 | Kraps | test |
| 03:02.18 | Jerub | OH GOD ITS A TEST EVERYONE DOWN |
| 03:02.56 | Kraps | :( my net's acting funny |
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| 03:08.31 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Jerub |
| 03:08.31 | purl | executes killall -TERM Jerub |
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| 03:13.07 | Jerub | woo. |
| 03:13.13 | Jerub | good thing you can catch sigterm |
| 03:15.22 | Arrowmaster | hmm deus ex, hitman, and theif..... |
| 03:15.27 | Arrowmaster | i think im going to have to get that |
| 03:16.02 | Arrowmaster | i have a copy of hitman 2 somewhere that came with a soundcard or video card but i have no fucking clue where it is |
| 03:16.24 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, honestly, I give steam a nontrivial amount of money just so I have copies of games easily accessible |
| 03:16.34 | ZorbaTHut | I know I've got Deus Ex around somewhere but I'll be damned if I know where |
| 03:17.06 | Arrowmaster | ive played both deus ex but dont own them, and i didnt finish the 2nd one |
| 03:18.19 | Arrowmaster | is that the first theif? or the third? |
| 03:18.59 | Jerub | i haven't yet played dues ex. |
| 03:19.08 | Arrowmaster | release date and system requirements make me think third but the screenshots look so bad |
| 03:19.21 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: get it |
| 03:20.42 | Arrowmaster | actually i dont think i finished deus ex either, i had a save at the beginning of the very last level but didnt finish the level |
| 03:25.19 | Arrowmaster | http://store.steampowered.com/sub/683/ |
| 03:25.23 | Arrowmaster | damn good price |
| 03:27.00 | kd3 | damn you |
| 03:27.04 | kd3 | looks for his cc again |
| 03:27.11 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 03:27.42 | Jerub | i'm building a windows pc this week |
| 03:28.03 | Jerub | need a video card toh |
| 03:28.07 | Jerub | tho |
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| 03:31.37 | Kraps | yay its fixed |
| 03:32.03 | Kraps | and steam is having sales /gripe |
| 03:33.08 | Arrowmaster | why does it say 'Special Deals for Today Only!' with a countdown clock that has 37 hours left on it? |
| 03:35.04 | Thunder_Child | long days |
| 03:35.20 | A-KO | god damnit that pisses me off |
| 03:35.21 | A-KO | sighs |
| 03:36.04 | A-KO | so my guild decided to bypass our loot system and not give me the t10 shoulder token because I didn't have the shoulder piece to trade in, and someone else did. |
| 03:36.10 | Thunder_Child | they got x-com for vista, i'm impressed |
| 03:36.41 | A-KO | what a few peple did was buy the t10 251 shoulder first so they can be "first in line" for the items, even though it was never communicated to the guild that you had to purchase that first before getting your token... |
| 03:36.45 | A-KO | so I went out and bought the cloak, heh |
| 03:37.16 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5432505/obama-and-the-game+crazy-christmas-kids-now-in-video-form?autoplay=true |
| 03:37.31 | A-KO | meanwhile, I almost got benched in the 10 man group for A) a priest that doesn't show up for 25's, and B) a priest that the first thing he bought was a primordial saronite to sell |
| 03:39.06 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: wtf at the first picture in the comments |
| 03:39.14 | Kraps | lol |
| 03:45.03 | Kraps | http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/blackberry-outage-sweeps-north-america/article1409608/ |
| 03:46.15 | kd3 | eesh |
| 03:46.20 | kd3 | that's twice in... 5 days? |
| 03:46.29 | kd3 | is even more glad he doesn't have a crackberry |
| 03:48.02 | Arrowmaster | is hoping the googlephone is real because he really needs a new phone |
| 03:48.23 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: it certainly is real. |
| 03:48.42 | Arrowmaster | real for consumers and not just google employees |
| 03:49.05 | Jerub | oh, right. |
| 03:49.58 | Jerub | lets just say that the google cloak of secrecy has leaked a bit too much about this one, and people within the big G have had their fannies paddles already. |
| 03:52.36 | cbreak | don't trust google with your data |
| 03:55.12 | Phaqui | How can I get my frame's name to be a variable I can access from my .lua file? Every time I start up wow, it gives me an error saying that my frame variable is a nil value |
| 03:55.56 | Phaqui | I have the .xml file as the first statement in the .toc - should I change it to be the last? (the other one is of course the .lua file) |
| 03:57.56 | cbreak | what name? |
| 03:58.05 | cbreak | when do you check it? |
| 03:58.37 | Phaqui | uhm, wait, I'll post some files |
| 04:00.37 | Jerub | cbreak: uh, i'm talking about google employees not keeping their big fat traps shut when they're told to. |
| 04:01.04 | Jerub | viz: they blabbed to me about their coworkers blabbing to the media. |
| 04:01.07 | cbreak | yes. but honestly |
| 04:01.07 | cbreak | a google phone? |
| 04:01.14 | cbreak | so everyone can find out what you phoned about? |
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| 04:02.03 | ZorbaTHut | really it's just so they can have a sane platform for the android OS |
| 04:02.43 | Jerub | it's the same reason we have chrome ;) |
| 04:03.13 | cbreak | we have chrome because KDE released their browser sources |
| 04:03.54 | Jerub | cbreak: we have v8 because google wanted a js engine that didn't suck. |
| 04:03.56 | ZorbaTHut | we have chrome because more people browsing the internet makes Google more money, and the better web browsers are, the more people browse the internet. |
| 04:05.01 | Phaqui | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/130555 |
| 04:05.03 | ZorbaTHut | fundamentally, that's what virtually everything Google does comes down to - Google promoting products and activities that are synergistic with Google's revenue source. |
| 04:05.17 | Phaqui | That's what I have so far |
| 04:05.21 | cbreak | spying on users to find out what they like |
| 04:05.27 | cbreak | and then giving them commercials |
| 04:05.37 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, you'd probably be surprised how little of that actually happens. |
| 04:05.53 | ZorbaTHut | or did three years ago, at any rate, though I doubt it's substantially changed. |
| 04:07.08 | cbreak | Phaqui: do you have XML errors in the log? And did you really not register an event handler but execute the Lua code on load time? |
| 04:07.51 | Phaqui | uhm.. I did try now to do a /script print(MyNewAddonFrame) ingame, and it seemed to work out.. at least it gave me a table reference this time |
| 04:08.08 | Phaqui | what log? |
| 04:08.25 | cbreak | FrameXML.log |
| 04:08.26 | kd3 | wow/Logs/FrameXML.log |
| 04:08.42 | cbreak | anyway, XML frames are probably constructed later |
| 04:09.30 | Phaqui | Okey, well, no errors there |
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| 04:10.16 | Phaqui | Well, event handlers, yes.. getting there |
| 04:11.08 | Phaqui | Is there some software to help me design my UI, by the way? From what I've seen from other addons, the whole .xml file seems pretty cryptic |
| 04:11.13 | cbreak | you might be interested in the Addon Loaded event, or the player-entering-world |
| 04:11.19 | cbreak | sure |
| 04:11.26 | cbreak | developer text editor |
| 04:11.30 | cbreak | with syntax highlighting |
| 04:11.37 | cbreak | I like TextWrangler |
| 04:11.52 | cbreak | (and I try to stay away from the XML files, and construct the little GUI I have in Lua) |
| 04:12.00 | Phaqui | I was thinking something in the roads of the GUI designer-systems of IDE's.. like Visual Studio |
| 04:12.06 | cbreak | *shiver* |
| 04:12.45 | Phaqui | --- not that I use Visual Studio -- but I would like a pretty hefty UI for my addon, and writing .xml by hand isn't that appealing |
| 04:13.22 | Phaqui | neither is writing hundreds of line in my lua file to design it.. I did enough of that with AutoIt :( |
| 04:15.23 | WobWork | The whole point of doing it in lua is that you can reuse code |
| 04:15.46 | WobWork | you could also look at AceGUI to see if that might speed things up |
| 04:16.05 | Phaqui | Also, I downloaded the Blizzard Interface Tutorial, and figured I had to get some software to view the images, so I did - and I can't really tell how to put together a UI from those images |
| 04:16.53 | Phaqui | yeah about that, what is actually Ace? |
| 04:17.00 | WobWork | It's a framework |
| 04:17.18 | Phaqui | Is it any good? |
| 04:17.20 | WobWork | basically it's a series of different libraries you can use to speed up development |
| 04:17.31 | WobWork | Ace3 is pretty efficient |
| 04:17.46 | Phaqui | Okey |
| 04:18.04 | cbreak | you don't need ace |
| 04:18.08 | cbreak | until you know you need it |
| 04:18.23 | Phaqui | probably true |
| 04:19.00 | cbreak | anyway |
| 04:19.02 | Phaqui | But the whole process of designing UIs seems pretty ackward to me.. at least after looking through the Interface Art |
| 04:19.09 | WobWork | indeed |
| 04:19.13 | cbreak | wow can load TGAs or jpegs I think |
| 04:19.13 | kd3 | it's... arcane |
| 04:19.20 | kd3 | until you get used to it |
| 04:19.27 | cbreak | designing UIs? |
| 04:19.27 | Phaqui | heh - maybe that's why so many addons come with *really crappy* UIs! |
| 04:19.27 | WobWork | well, not really. It's pretty straightforward |
| 04:19.31 | cbreak | just write the code |
| 04:19.32 | WobWork | it's just... wordy |
| 04:19.34 | cbreak | no one needs a UI :) |
| 04:49.27 | airtonix | command lines all the way baby |
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| 04:55.49 | Duman | hmm |
| 04:56.00 | Duman | total RIM outage in north america? fun |
| 05:00.52 | Polarina | RIM? |
| 05:01.13 | Dagmar | Yep. *AGAIN* |
| 05:01.18 | Dagmar | Blackberries |
| 05:01.26 | Dagmar | THEY'RE DOON! |
| 05:01.40 | Dagmar | That'll be the second time this month |
| 05:02.19 | Polarina | No, what's RIM? |
| 05:02.40 | Dagmar | The people who make the crackberry |
| 05:02.48 | Polarina | ... |
| 05:03.28 | Corrodias | is there some big Blackberry Network that has to be online for them to work? |
| 05:03.34 | Dagmar | Basically, yes. |
| 05:04.06 | Dagmar | Far as I know the things will still work as a cell phone, but email and often SMS just stops working entirely when they have an outage |
| 05:04.39 | Arrowmaster | yeah they are basically just thin clients for all the advanced features |
| 05:04.54 | Dagmar | Technically we *could* notify management of the outage at the office, but... |
| 05:05.05 | Dagmar | The people who are actually affected wouldn't get the messages |
| 05:05.23 | Arrowmaster | do you even have access to your contact list when theres an outage? |
| 05:05.47 | Dagmar | ...and I'm thinking lifes too short to bother telling them "Hey, here's something the NOC has no control over that you can badger us repeatedly about" |
| 05:06.36 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I think I was told that that gets cached |
| 05:06.45 | Dagmar | Personally, I just use IMAP on my Palm 800w |
| 05:06.57 | Dagmar | It sucks, but at least it always works as long as I have an internet connection |
| 05:07.21 | Dagmar | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2357516,00.asp |
| 05:07.22 | Arrowmaster | IMAP doesnt handle address books so thats just your emails |
| 05:07.29 | Dagmar | I'm aware. |
| 05:07.40 | durcyn | things like kolab stuff contacts into imap namespaces, fwiw |
| 05:07.47 | Dagmar | Either way, it doesn't make my email and SMS utterly broken |
| 05:08.04 | Dagmar | i've actually sat down and read the entire IMAP spec. |
| 05:08.25 | Dagmar | One wonders why they didn't just roll it in as just another f**king chapter in NFS |
| 05:08.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah ive never read the spec but ive heard its rather messy |
| 05:09.00 | Arrowmaster | but hey its better than pop3 |
| 05:09.08 | Dagmar | It's literally a lesser form of NFS |
| 05:09.28 | Jerub | Dagmar: there's merit to 'lesser' |
| 05:09.59 | Arrowmaster | 'just as complex but not as powerful' lesser has no merit |
| 05:10.01 | Dagmar | With the political climate being what it is, there's quite a bit to be said for _removing your mails from the server immediately_ |
| 05:10.06 | Polarina | What would I call something that's an variable, but cannot be changed (read-only), yet not constant? |
| 05:10.14 | Jerub | also, does nfs provide server side parsing of rfc822 headers and searching? |
| 05:10.34 | Jerub | Polarina: uh, do you mean something that's single assignment? |
| 05:10.41 | Polarina | Jerub: No. |
| 05:10.47 | Dagmar | I prefer to think stuff like that could have been rolled into a POP4 protocol |
| 05:11.04 | Jerub | Polarina: something that's volatile and will change when you're not looking? |
| 05:11.13 | Polarina | Jerub: Like whether the user is in combat or not, you cannot change that fact, yet not constant and read-only. |
| 05:11.26 | Dagmar | argh there *is* a name for that |
| 05:11.27 | Jerub | Polarina: volatile. imho. |
| 05:11.51 | Polarina | Or how much mana you got. |
| 05:11.51 | Dagmar | I think you're right. |
| 05:12.02 | Dagmar | Wikipedia confirms it |
| 05:12.09 | Polarina | Ok, thanks. |
| 05:14.36 | Jerub | i control all my email infrastructure now. |
| 05:14.45 | Jerub | it's kinda nice to have it run by someone you can trust. |
| 05:15.20 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 05:15.47 | Dagmar | I much preferred it when I ran my own server for that. |
| 05:15.56 | Dagmar | However, I also decided I liked having free time and no spam better. |
| 05:16.01 | Dagmar | Now I use gmail |
| 05:16.31 | Jerub | email servers are part of my dayjob. :) |
| 05:17.47 | Polarina | Jerub: :D |
| 05:21.26 | Arrowmaster | yeah im lazy and use gmail too |
| 05:22.52 | Arrowmaster | except for one account which reminds me i need to plugin the other desktop and check that email, i havent in over a month |
| 05:22.58 | Jerub | i kicked my gmail habit the day i got reasonable mail searching locally. |
| 05:27.53 | Thunder_Child | ~weather klax |
| 05:28.17 | Thunder_Child | mmmm....love the breeze |
| 05:28.34 | Polarina | ~weather kef |
| 05:29.05 | Polarina | ~weather bikf |
| 05:29.30 | Thunder_Child | thats....a mouthfull |
| 05:29.39 | Polarina | Really? |
| 05:29.54 | Thunder_Child | "Keflavikurflugvollur"? yes |
| 05:30.23 | Polarina | KeflavÃkurflugvöllur, also known as Flugstöð Leifs EirÃkssonar. |
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| 05:30.44 | Polarina | Only seven syllables! :D |
| 05:30.51 | Thunder_Child | thats niot making it any eaiser |
| 05:31.12 | Polarina | Want the IPA pronouncation? |
| 05:31.36 | Thunder_Child | easier* |
| 05:31.40 | Polarina | Thunder_Child: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keflav%C3%ADkurflugv%C3%B6llur |
| 05:32.37 | Thunder_Child | see, keflavik is much better |
| 05:33.01 | Polarina | :P |
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| 05:34.34 | Polarina | But "KeflavÃk International Airport" is 11 syllables. :S |
| 05:35.02 | Thunder_Child | "When changing between domestic and international flights, a 50 km (31 mi) bus transfer is usually needed, and at least three hours time between flights is recommended." :( |
| 05:35.11 | Thunder_Child | thats harsh |
| 05:35.30 | Polarina | Domestic flights are on a different airport. |
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| 06:02.59 | mascondante | Anyone know if there's an alternative for Cartographer and/or TokenFu? I grow tired of waiting for them to be updated for 3.3. |
| 06:06.49 | durcyn | mascondante: uh, cartographer's been abandoned for at least a year, get mapster + gathermate |
| 06:07.22 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8306-Mapster.html http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13311-MetaMapFanUpdatev3.3.html |
| 06:08.10 | mascondante | Ah that's a shame. I really liked cartographer. |
| 06:08.27 | Trela | Cartographer has been updated. |
| 06:08.30 | Trela | http://www.wowace.com/addons/cartographer/ |
| 06:10.38 | Trela | Well, not for 3.3. |
| 06:12.59 | mascondante | the notes say it works with the new quest tracker... which was my issue. Testing shortly. |
| 06:13.28 | Kraps | just finished inglorious basterds |
| 06:14.08 | mascondante | nice. was it good? |
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| 06:14.30 | Kraps | yes |
| 06:14.32 | wakatake | hi..is it possible to automate enchants? |
| 06:15.00 | Kraps | but you should know its a tarantino movie |
| 06:15.40 | Trela | wakatake: To some extend. Advanced Trade Skill Window will let you queue multiple enchants, but you still have to click the item every time the enchant is ready. |
| 06:15.44 | Trela | *extent. |
| 06:16.26 | mascondante | durcyn: About gather mate... is it better that gatherer? |
| 06:17.06 | Iriel | I enjoyed Inglorious Basterds a lot too |
| 06:17.14 | Iriel | Saw it last week |
| 06:17.35 | mascondante | I love everything else the norganna folks put out and gatherer is ok, but it could stand some updates. Hasn't happened in quite a while. |
| 06:19.10 | mascondante | Kraps: Sounds fine. I'll have to see it. |
| 06:19.32 | mascondante | Trela: ATSW... now that's an addon in desperate need of an update. |
| 06:19.44 | Trela | mascondante: Why? It works fine. |
| 06:20.08 | wakatake | Trela, what about external 3rd party programs outside of lua addons? |
| 06:20.19 | Trela | wakatake: None that I know of. |
| 06:20.26 | ZorbaTHut | actually I've had a bunch of performance issues with ATSW |
| 06:20.32 | Trela | I went to GatherMate because Gatherer used a ton of resources for me. |
| 06:21.19 | ZorbaTHut | ended up hacking my local copy to unbreak inscription, but then I started getting similar issues with leatherworking that I couldn't track down as easily. its "count how many items can be built" code seems to be very inefficiently written. |
| 06:21.58 | mascondante | Trela: I have a reason. It has to do with glypher. Let me do the research to remind myself the problem I have with it. |
| 06:22.35 | Jerub | when i'm lagging my LW window doesn't split into categories. I just want that view all the time :P |
| 06:22.52 | Trela | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, I have odd ball issues with that too. I believe it could use a complete rewrite. |
| 06:23.30 | ZorbaTHut | I doubt it needs that much, the UI code seems solid |
| 06:23.35 | ZorbaTHut | it's just some performance glitches. |
| 06:23.52 | ZorbaTHut | complete rewrites are rarely the right solution, as attractive as they may be :) |
| 06:24.19 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: So ****ing true! |
| 06:25.21 | Jerub | does a full backup before his holiday. |
| 06:25.36 | Polarina | Jerub: :) |
| 06:26.01 | Trela | I would love to see ATSW have better categories or prebuilt categories. |
| 06:26.17 | Polarina | wants a addon that translates World of Warcraft to Esperanto or Lojban. |
| 06:26.28 | Polarina | s/ a / an / |
| 06:26.56 | mascondante | ZorbaTHut: that's sort on the lines of my issue. Random bugginess. I'd love it to be able to utilize glypher's price evaluator as a sort. |
| 06:29.40 | mascondante | Works fine with skillet. I'd try to explain what I mean but I'd likely mess it up. http://wiki.norganna.org/Auc-Util-Glypher should clear it up. |
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| 06:29.56 | mascondante | A fine addition to auctioneer I might add. |
| 06:30.56 | Polarina | How would I go about efficiently implementing double-linked lists in Lua? Any tips? |
| 06:31.14 | Jerub | Polarina: doesn't lua already have mutable lists? |
| 06:31.14 | ZorbaTHut | pretty much the same way you'd implement them in any language. |
| 06:31.22 | Polarina | Jerub: Mutable lists? |
| 06:31.32 | ZorbaTHut | you can use [1] [2] for links, it's a little faster than using .before .after. but more confusing. your call. |
| 06:31.35 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, no, it doesn't |
| 06:31.43 | ZorbaTHut | lua has tables and hashes. lists are very rarely needed. |
| 06:31.43 | Jerub | oh, interesting. |
| 06:31.52 | ZorbaTHut | er, arrays and hashes |
| 06:32.00 | ZorbaTHut | and lists can be formed out of those two anyway, so. |
| 06:32.42 | mascondante | ZorbaTHut: By the way... what's you opinion on blizz's new quest tracker? |
| 06:32.46 | Trela | Norganna's add ons drive me insane with their multiple libraries, utilities, repetitiveness, and general difficulty to configure. |
| 06:32.53 | Polarina | I think I'll go with { previous, this, next }. |
| 06:33.15 | ZorbaTHut | mascon, it's pretty, it's annoying how it doesn't display things when you're zoomed out, it's occasionally more accurate than QH and occasionally less accurate |
| 06:33.25 | ZorbaTHut | it's also somewhat annoying how it's nearly a complete black box. |
| 06:33.47 | ZorbaTHut | trela, I do feel like Norganna stuff tends to be overengineered. |
| 06:34.02 | truedego | Does anyone know why I keep getting a "then" error on line 4 on the d in (Changed)? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/130557 |
| 06:34.26 | Trela | ZorbaTHut: Options that are in there some where. There are things being added to tooltips that I know are being added by some part of Auctioneer, but finding the correct module to turn it off can be near impossible. |
| 06:34.31 | Polarina | truedego: Line 5; Icon_Tally = 0 |
| 06:34.36 | Polarina | truedego: Should be == |
| 06:35.25 | truedego | Polarina: ty |
| 06:35.25 | mascondante | So there's no additions to the API to allow interaction between QH and the tracker? |
| 06:35.25 | ZorbaTHut | mascon, not in any useful sense |
| 06:35.25 | Polarina | truedego: You're welcome. |
| 06:35.28 | ZorbaTHut | I can get a small subset of the waypoints that the built-in tracker might display (namely, the ones it's displaying right at this moment.) Nothing else. |
| 06:35.35 | ZorbaTHut | I can't get or modify the solid zone data. |
| 06:36.50 | mascondante | I have a feeling (and I think I saw an article in the past proving it) that blizz wanted to replace QH completely. I'm thinking that's why it's so much like a black box. If I remember correctly they want to replace most major addons with their own code. |
| 06:37.16 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect so, yeah. |
| 06:37.53 | WobWork | http://teuxdeux.com/ |
| 06:38.24 | mascondante | I'm completely against that. Too much like microsoft. Closed source, no community... ugly. |
| 06:38.50 | Polarina | I think Blizzard is doing nice things. |
| 06:39.17 | WobWork | well. Blizzard implementing addon functionality doesn't prevent you from using the original addons |
| 06:39.23 | WobWork | generally |
| 06:39.39 | mascondante | Well yeah but trying to consolidate third party stuff and incorporate it in their own programming is kind of... I don't know standardization. |
| 06:40.20 | ZorbaTHut | wob, no, but when done in this manner it kind of obsoletes the addons |
| 06:40.35 | ZorbaTHut | and not just in the manner of "it's not useful" |
| 06:40.40 | ZorbaTHut | in the manner of "it's near-impossible to make another one" |
| 06:41.21 | ZorbaTHut | the only reason people keep using QH is because I can still get data for it, and the only reason I can still get data for it is because people keep using it. if I stop maintaining it before Cataclysm, it'd basically become permadead. |
| 06:41.47 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: Do you maintain QuestHelper? |
| 06:41.56 | ZorbaTHut | And it would be nigh-impossible for anyone to start up a replacement today. |
| 06:41.59 | ZorbaTHut | polarina, yep |
| 06:42.17 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: Can you please fix it so that the blues on the forums stop whining about it? |
| 06:42.36 | mascondante | I only see it being a benifit if say a good addon were to go under. But when something (mainly talking about quest helper here) becomes part of WoW... updates, idea sharing, originality becomes limited. |
| 06:42.41 | ZorbaTHut | pfft, last I saw the blues were lying through their teeth about what it did |
| 06:42.45 | ZorbaTHut | what're they blaming on it now? |
| 06:42.59 | WobWork | Ponies |
| 06:43.00 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: Random disconnects. |
| 06:43.06 | ZorbaTHut | fuckers |
| 06:43.07 | WobWork | (those poor ponies =() |
| 06:43.13 | ZorbaTHut | yeah they essentially just blame whatever they feel like on Questhelper. |
| 06:43.27 | WobWork | QuestHelper ate my homework! |
| 06:43.37 | WobWork | (It piddled in the corner too) |
| 06:43.42 | ZorbaTHut | To the best of my knowledge, it has nothing to do with QH. I've never seen any evidence that it does, and I've seen reasonable evidence that it doesn't. |
| 06:44.01 | ZorbaTHut | They've certainly never made any effort to tell me what the problem is, so, whatever. |
| 06:44.16 | Polarina | Hmm... |
| 06:44.28 | Polarina | continues programming. |
| 06:45.18 | mascondante | ZorbaTHut: didn't mean to start a storm btw |
| 06:45.24 | ZorbaTHut | mascon, no worries |
| 06:46.38 | mascondante | I really wish I could grasp lua. As it is now I'm like the annoying IT Manager with ideas but no clue on implementation or programming. |
| 06:47.02 | ZorbaTHut | I'm mildly annoyed at Blizzard just because they seem actively inimical towards some UI mods without any particular reason, besides "they're big". Blizzard seems right up there with Apple in its dislike of largescale user content :P |
| 06:47.17 | ZorbaTHut | mascon, are you a coder at all, or have you not gone down that dark road yet? |
| 06:47.42 | Trela | I do well enough to piss Blizzard off. :) |
| 06:47.49 | Polarina | thinks her addon will be big, but will be interested in seeing how Blizzard incorporates it, if they do. |
| 06:48.05 | ZorbaTHut | polarina, if you don't mind tipping your hand, what're you working on? |
| 06:48.25 | mascondante | ZorbaTHut: I kind of don't know where to start. I did a little TI Basic. It was easy enough to get me interested, but by far not a language worth calling one. |
| 06:48.40 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: An addon that user can define their own executable procedures in a friendly manner, which are executed upon a signal firing, again, defined by the user. :) |
| 06:48.57 | ZorbaTHut | polarina, that sounds like an addon designed entirely for programmers ;) |
| 06:49.08 | Polarina | Such as users can define their own auto-ding announce. |
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| 06:49.13 | Polarina | Automatic /oom, etc. |
| 06:49.19 | ZorbaTHut | mascondante, in a lot of ways, you start with something very small and you go from there. really much of it just comes down to practice. |
| 06:49.22 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: User friendly! |
| 06:49.23 | mascondante | So effectively, no haven't gone down the dark road yet lol. Trying to find where the road starts =p |
| 06:49.34 | Polarina | And no coding involved. |
| 06:49.50 | ZorbaTHut | it kind of starts when you get fed up with not being able to find a road in the forest and start bludgeoning your way through it anyway ;) |
| 06:50.06 | Polarina | I pre-program the procedures, the signals, etc. The users just configure them. :P |
| 06:50.24 | mascondante | lol well I was thinking since I'm in college anyway to go ahead and knock out Intro to Programming and Logic. |
| 06:51.01 | ZorbaTHut | mascondante, not a bad choice |
| 06:51.27 | ZorbaTHut | one thing of note: college programming tends far towards the theory rather than the practice. Think of it like ending up in advanced physics when you really just wanted to learn how to build a bridge. |
| 06:51.54 | ZorbaTHut | if you do want to learn programming, you basically want to sit down and start programming things as soon as possible. Past a certain point schooling is of dubious value to actual coding. |
| 06:52.00 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: Of course you cannot do advanced stuff such as an thread-meter (unless you're really, really bored), just simple tasks. |
| 06:52.10 | mascondante | Like all the math prereq x_x not looking forward to that. |
| 06:52.27 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, real coding math tends to start and end at algebra :) |
| 06:52.44 | WobWork | weeelll |
| 06:52.54 | ZorbaTHut | linalg if you're doing 3d, calculus if you're doing fancy 3d, discrete if you're doing algorithmic magic, but the majority . . . algebra. |
| 06:52.55 | WobWork | I'd say that college teaches you how to learn a language |
| 06:53.15 | mascondante | Yeah I think if I want to really take the ball and run with it stuff like trig and calc I'd have to get knocked out |
| 06:53.17 | WobWork | college can give good grounding in the programming concepts and structures |
| 06:53.56 | mascondante | I don't know how I got through the latter parts of algebra and my MAT140 (mish mash of lots of math concepts) |
| 06:54.40 | WobWork | If college has taught you how to learn, then it's done it's job admirably |
| 06:55.16 | ZorbaTHut | true |
| 06:55.31 | ZorbaTHut | still, I feel that often college teaches people how to learn academic things, not necessarily how to learn practical things |
| 06:55.37 | mascondante | To be honest the military has helped me more than college as far as learning. Knowing where to look and how to approach situations mainly. |
| 06:56.30 | Polarina | mascondante: Where to look? In order of precedence: Wikipedia, Google. |
| 06:57.00 | Polarina | I hate people that hate Wikipedia. |
| 06:57.11 | mascondante | lol yeah. You'd be amazed though how many people are clueless on how to use a search engine. |
| 06:57.31 | mascondante | I had many /facepalm moments when I was in. |
| 06:57.45 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: absolutely |
| 06:57.51 | WobWork | College is terrible for practical things |
| 06:58.01 | WobWork | Tradeschool is good for that |
| 06:58.06 | WobWork | or whatever you lot call it =) |
| 06:58.11 | WobWork | Technical college? |
| 06:58.37 | ZorbaTHut | that, but there's a stigma against it here |
| 06:58.38 | mascondante | aye |
| 06:58.49 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know if there's a similar issue over there |
| 06:59.03 | ZorbaTHut | but basically trade schools/technical colleges are where you go when you're not Good Enough for college |
| 06:59.19 | mascondante | I have a huge issue with theroy. I get things better when it's shown to me how it's implemented. |
| 06:59.28 | WobWork | which is not a good stigma |
| 06:59.39 | ZorbaTHut | no, the US has major, major issues with intellectualism right now |
| 06:59.45 | WobWork | indeed, there are so many people that are better 'hands on' learners than 'theoretical' ones |
| 07:00.24 | WobWork | Heh, you have your programmers, and other white collar workers et al, who see themselves as intellectuals and earn the big bucks |
| 07:00.29 | Polarina | mascondante: I agree that it can be daunting, but the self-satisfactory feel feels good when you do it yourself. :) |
| 07:00.38 | ZorbaTHut | a lot of them started by the Republicans a few decades ago for political reasons. it's a rather complex subject really |
| 07:00.41 | WobWork | then you actually ask your plumber buddy just how much he makes in a day... |
| 07:01.04 | ZorbaTHut | wob, yeah, plumbers, electricians, and mechanics just rake in the bucks over here |
| 07:01.11 | mascondante | ZorbaTHut: True. There's a lot of oh... what would you call it... narrow minded ideology I guess. |
| 07:01.31 | ZorbaTHut | I've had people ask me what they should do if they want to get rich, I tell them to find a job that other people don't want to do but that requires skill. Like plumbing. |
| 07:01.40 | ZorbaTHut | So far nobody's taken my advice, and plumbers are still fucking rich. |
| 07:01.56 | mascondante | heh |
| 07:02.08 | ZorbaTHut | mascon, I wouldn't even call it narrow-mindedness. There's actually this feeling that "smart = bad" |
| 07:02.09 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: Like programming? |
| 07:02.29 | ZorbaTHut | polarina, programming isn't hugely profitable right now, actually - too many people jumped into it because it was the in thing |
| 07:02.38 | Polarina | :( |
| 07:02.39 | ZorbaTHut | if you're damn good, then yeah absolutely |
| 07:02.44 | Polarina | :D |
| 07:02.46 | ZorbaTHut | but if you're just in it for the money, you'd find more elsewhere. |
| 07:02.48 | Polarina | Sounds fair. |
| 07:02.51 | WobWork | You'd be surprised at how quickly the better companies churn through bad programmers though |
| 07:02.58 | mascondante | ZorbaTHut: yeah and a lot of 'Go with the flow, don't think, just follow' |
| 07:03.18 | ZorbaTHut | mascon, yeah. thinking is bad, let's go shopping |
| 07:03.20 | WobWork | The interview for the place I'm working in? I think only about 10% of the applicants -passed- the interview test |
| 07:03.35 | ZorbaTHut | also go to college but don't learn anything, just spend all your time partying, then be shocked when you end up with an entry-level job despite your english major |
| 07:03.38 | WobWork | and god knows I bullshitted my way through it =P |
| 07:03.41 | Polarina | WobWork: Too many idiots, or too strict requirements? |
| 07:03.48 | WobWork | Polarina: a bit of both |
| 07:03.54 | Polarina | I see. |
| 07:04.03 | ZorbaTHut | wob, I'm told I absolutely obliterated the interview at Google. they'd ask me a question that they expected to take an entire 45-minute period |
| 07:04.09 | ZorbaTHut | I'd answer it in, like, five minutes |
| 07:04.16 | WobWork | The HR manager actually was asking the IT head if, just maaaybe the test was too hard =P |
| 07:04.19 | ZorbaTHut | but the questions really weren't that hard! :( |
| 07:04.39 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: Did you pass the interview? |
| 07:04.43 | WobWork | I suspect that google aren't necessarily just after people who are Mensa smart |
| 07:04.44 | ZorbaTHut | polarina, yup |
| 07:04.51 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: Congratulations! :D |
| 07:04.52 | WobWork | they're after a certain mindset |
| 07:05.01 | ZorbaTHut | the only bit I "did badly on" was possibly the worst interview question I've ever heard |
| 07:05.01 | WobWork | and way of thinking, and the exam is designed to filter those out |
| 07:05.09 | WobWork | was it the piano tuner one? =) |
| 07:05.15 | mascondante | ZorbaTHut: I have a good friend that did just that. Harvard graduate, english major, works at... subway I believe. |
| 07:05.16 | ZorbaTHut | it was a "read my mind" question thanks to the interviewer's failure to comprehend the problem domain |
| 07:05.24 | ZorbaTHut | wob, nah, that one's easy, you just guess wildly but logically |
| 07:05.37 | ZorbaTHut | it was "show me how you'd design an interface for an algorithmic graph class" |
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| 07:05.56 | WobWork | "I would take a whiteboard, and some markers...." |
| 07:06.04 | ZorbaTHut | the proper answer is "adjacency list or adjacency matrix?", because there's two ways of storing graphs and they are fundamentally incompatible |
| 07:06.16 | ZorbaTHut | his answer was "oh, just a graph class. You know. For graphs. How would you design it?" |
| 07:06.18 | ZorbaTHut | ffffffffffff |
| 07:06.26 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: So effectively it was a "African or American Sparrow?" question |
| 07:06.37 | WobWork | (*Swallow) |
| 07:06.47 | ZorbaTHut | wob, if his answer had been "you know, a swallow. Just a swallow. What's the airspeed velocity?", then yes. |
| 07:06.55 | ZorbaTHut | "I don't know" would have been a step up. |
| 07:07.03 | WobWork | well, the correct response is "why I don't kno...AARRRRRGHHH!" |
| 07:07.12 | ZorbaTHut | that would have been *several* steps up. |
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| 07:07.15 | WobWork | hehe =) |
| 07:07.26 | ZorbaTHut | But yeah, besides that question I apparently did quite well :) |
| 07:08.02 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: :) |
| 07:08.13 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: What kind of questions are asked? |
| 07:08.45 | ZorbaTHut | polarina, questions designed to see if you have good knowledge of the language, if you know how to get answers, and if you know how to think |
| 07:09.06 | WobWork | Can you use Google? =) |
| 07:09.06 | Polarina | I see, thanks. |
| 07:09.22 | ZorbaTHut | some incompletely-specified problems where you're meant to find the problem spec holes, some problems where the interviewer keeps layering on new things and you have to adapt, some real-world situations like "okay, it's too slow, now what do you do" |
| 07:09.34 | ZorbaTHut | wob, "I look it up on Google" is a reasonable answer to some questions :) |
| 07:09.35 | WobWork | "Hire more hamsters" |
| 07:09.58 | WobWork | hehe "I check it up on Bing!" |
| 07:10.04 | Polarina | WobWork: ROFL! |
| 07:10.13 | ZorbaTHut | one rather interesting question, about 2/3 of the way through he said "alright, at this point you go and benchmark it and discover that your process doesn't support fdiv in hardware, it's doing it in software" |
| 07:10.19 | ZorbaTHut | "so that one division is using about 90% of your CPU" |
| 07:10.20 | ZorbaTHut | "now what" |
| 07:10.30 | ZorbaTHut | *processor |
| 07:10.48 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: Slap the compiler, inline assembly, read the compiler's documentation, etc. |
| 07:11.05 | ZorbaTHut | polarina, there literally isn't a hardware instruction for fdiv. if you try to divide things in floating-point, your life sucks. |
| 07:11.19 | ZorbaTHut | it was "rework the algorithm to avoid division". |
| 07:11.24 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: :P |
| 07:11.47 | ZorbaTHut | (which, of course, I had to do on the whiteboard, 'cause that was the fun part :D) |
| 07:11.50 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: I thought you meant "wasn't taking advantage of that instruction". |
| 07:11.52 | WobWork | "Use the GPU"? |
| 07:12.07 | WobWork | is not a computer engineer =) |
| 07:12.18 | ZorbaTHut | wobwork, embedded processor, no gpu. it was actually based in a real situation the interviewer had run into in another job |
| 07:12.39 | WobWork | Well, I can see why he included it |
| 07:12.51 | ZorbaTHut | it was a damn good question :) |
| 07:12.57 | Polarina | :D |
| 07:12.58 | WobWork | it requires a knowledge of hardware capabilities |
| 07:13.10 | WobWork | -and- the correct answer requires thinking outside the box |
| 07:13.15 | WobWork | by -avoiding- the situation completely |
| 07:13.18 | ZorbaTHut | yeah |
| 07:13.33 | Polarina | Avoiding divisions is easy when not using an algorithm that depends on it "hard-core"... |
| 07:13.38 | ZorbaTHut | and then after that I ended up having to restructure it *again* to optimize for the non-obvious common case |
| 07:13.57 | WobWork | Forces the applicant to say "Well, I've hit a brick wall with what I can achieve with what I have, I need to step back and see if I can solve it -before- it reaches this" |
| 07:13.59 | ZorbaTHut | polarina, want the question? i can actually write it out, I've given it to people many times |
| 07:14.13 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: I would appreciate it. :) |
| 07:15.02 | ZorbaTHut | Alright. Your input is an array of doubles. Your output is an array of doubles with the same size. out[x] is the product of all input values *except* in[x]. Make it fast. Don't worry about division yet, you can do that for the second version. ;) |
| 07:15.55 | Polarina | What do you mean with "except in [x]"? |
| 07:16.34 | ZorbaTHut | polarina, for example, if I have four input values, then out[2] = in[1] * in[3] * in[4] |
| 07:16.41 | ZorbaTHut | out[3] is in[1] * in[2] * in[4] |
| 07:17.01 | Polarina | Oh.. That's easy. |
| 07:17.20 | ZorbaTHut | Sure is. Code it up, there's a lot of surprisingly subtle ways to botch it. :) |
| 07:17.34 | Polarina | gets right to it. |
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| 07:19.37 | WobWork | I see why the division issue was thrown in =P |
| 07:20.28 | Iriel | There's a rather nasty condition that makes the 'obvious' solution (assuming division is allowed) fail. |
| 07:20.45 | WobWork | if one of the inputs is 0? |
| 07:21.26 | Iriel | exactly one, though, otherwise it becomes trivial |
| 07:22.01 | WobWork | ~0/0 |
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| 07:22.15 | ZorbaTHut | obviously you're getting a bit of an easier time of it because I've told you some of the later tricky bits |
| 07:22.15 | WobWork | hopes he didn't kill purl |
| 07:22.27 | WobWork | ^^ |
| 07:22.42 | WobWork | purl: sneaky |
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| 07:27.17 | WobWork | heads home |
| 07:28.05 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: I have what seems to be a reasonable general approach using a binary 'hourglass', and multiplies only |
| 07:28.31 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, what's the algorithmic complexity of it? |
| 07:29.07 | Iriel | looks to be about n log2(n), but i'm not sure 8-) |
| 07:29.51 | Polarina | does it in O(n) by using conditional branches before division. |
| 07:29.54 | ZorbaTHut | you can do it faster :) |
| 07:30.23 | ZorbaTHut | (O(n) is kind of obviously the best you can theoretically do, though :P) |
| 07:30.44 | Iriel | and O(n^2) is the trivial worst |
| 07:31.31 | ZorbaTHut | yup |
| 07:32.03 | Iriel | What's the complexity of your best? |
| 07:32.12 | Polarina | Iriel: O(n) :D |
| 07:32.27 | ZorbaTHut | yep, O(n) is achievable. |
| 07:33.39 | Iriel | I can think of O(n) solutions (involving division) that require multiple (fixed) passes and branches |
| 07:34.13 | Polarina | Wuth? |
| 07:34.32 | Iriel | Real world benchmarking would be interesting to see how much the constant factors play into the complexity equation |
| 07:34.32 | Polarina | Iterate once for the total product, iterate again for assignment, using division to isolate out[x]. |
| 07:34.49 | Trela | Any one experienced to larger scale storage here? |
| 07:34.52 | ZorbaTHut | polarina, now do it without division. |
| 07:34.59 | Iriel | I did it without division |
| 07:35.01 | ZorbaTHut | trela, what do you mean by "larger scale storage"? |
| 07:35.02 | Polarina | ZorbaTHut: Will do. |
| 07:35.07 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, now do it in O(n) :) |
| 07:36.00 | ZorbaTHut | trela, I've worked on what were probably hundred-terabyte databases, if not more, but I'm not sure what area you're going to be asking questions about. |
| 07:36.39 | ZorbaTHut | (totaling hundreds of terabytes, probably not single units that large, actually. the real size was . . . surprisingly indistinct) |
| 07:36.42 | Trela | ZorbaTHut: Ah, network storage I guess. I want to get a bunch of 2tb hard drives that are in a RAID. Though, fitting them all inside my desktop would be difficult. So I am looking for advice if I should just build a cheap Linux box to propagate the data or some firewire RAID enclosure. |
| 07:37.35 | Polarina | would recommend Azkir if she actually did some damn work on that project. |
| 07:37.55 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: actually, I think mine IS O(n) |
| 07:37.57 | ZorbaTHut | trela, the advantage to a cheap linux box is that then you have a cheap linux box sitting around |
| 07:38.17 | Iriel | yeah, 8-=) |
| 07:38.19 | ZorbaTHut | that's personally what I did, but then I also needed the box. I can't really offer good advice, though |
| 07:38.27 | Trela | ZorbaTHut: Sounds like a good advantage. :P |
| 07:38.49 | ZorbaTHut | I've never worked at the high-end-consumer scale, my own systems tend to be a single hard drive and the only other thing I've played with is massive data farms |
| 07:38.54 | Polarina | has never logged into WoW from a windows box. |
| 07:39.14 | ZorbaTHut | (all of Questhelper's database is built on a little Shuttle box that lives in my closet) |
| 07:39.53 | Trela | If I could get a PCI-E card that had a bunch of external SATA ports for my Mac Pro I would just build a tiny rack to hold the external drives. |
| 07:41.01 | Polarina | I would simply NFS mount these filesystems. |
| 07:42.38 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: does your solution require approximately 2n storage locations (if you can overwrite the input with the output) ? |
| 07:43.36 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, yeah, sounds about right |
| 07:43.43 | Iriel | See my PM's for details |
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| 07:45.31 | Polarina | o.O |
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| 07:50.13 | smcn | anyone know when the reward for using the random dungeon tool is actually decided? i.e. if i queue up before the reset and get in/finish a dungeon after will i get triumph or frost? |
| 07:50.41 | Polarina | smcn: When you get the damn bag. |
| 07:52.06 | Polarina | s/[ a-zA-Z:.]// |
| 07:53.28 | Polarina | smcn: To be honest, I don't understand your question. |
| 07:53.58 | ZorbaTHut | I think the idea is, you join a dungeon right before the "rollover" |
| 07:54.11 | ZorbaTHut | the rollover/"day end" happens while you're in the dungeon but before you get the final reward |
| 07:54.55 | ZorbaTHut | what reward do you get? the one you saw when you entered the dungeon, or the reward you would have seen if you'd otherwise entered the dungeon at the moment you were instead killing the final boss? |
| 07:55.17 | ZorbaTHut | (and, as an interesting corollary, is it possible to screw yourself out of two frost badges that way) |
| 07:56.07 | Polarina | I don't really care about loot or rewards, I am just there for the fun out of it. :) |
| 07:57.30 | Trela | ZorbaTHut: I do not mind NFS at all. I just issues with it when I need it to be fast access. |
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| 07:58.19 | Polarina | Ethernet != fast-access. |
| 07:58.33 | Polarina | Well, actually, define "fast-access". |
| 07:58.52 | Trela | The same speed as having the drive in the local machine. |
| 07:59.02 | Iriel | sleeps. |
| 07:59.06 | Polarina | Trela: InfiniBand. |
| 07:59.08 | Trela | Sleep well, Iriel. |
| 07:59.45 | Trela | Looks expensive. |
| 08:00.15 | Trela | With ethernet at 1gb, I would hope it could handle SATA speeds, but it seems other OS or hardware issues limit it. |
| 08:00.15 | Polarina | The only thing that gets you close enough to "as having the drive in the local machine". |
| 08:00.42 | Polarina | Trela: Bandwith != Latency! |
| 08:02.01 | Trela | Even with the machines on the same switch? |
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| 08:02.46 | Polarina | Trela: Yes, you do not get nearly the same latency. |
| 08:03.28 | Polarina | But it all depends on what you are going to use the drives for. |
| 08:03.46 | Antiarc | HD latency is effectively seek time. Network latency tends to be appreciably higher. Your average 7200 RPM drive has an average latency of about 4ms. |
| 08:04.30 | Antiarc | LAN access time is <1ms + remote HD seek time, so slightly higher |
| 08:05.24 | Trela | Maybe I need to try it with better hardware. It may be the old motherboard in the computer just not able to handle it properly. |
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| 08:05.37 | Adys | http://mozillalabs.com/blog/2009/12/announcing-the-firefox-4-design-challenge-â-the-home-tab/ |
| 08:05.47 | Antiarc | 404 |
| 08:05.49 | Adys | First challenge: Find the post |
| 08:06.00 | Antiarc | http://mozillalabs.com/conceptseries/2009/12/22/firefox-4-design-challenge/ |
| 08:06.02 | Antiarc | That one? :V |
| 08:06.02 | Trela | XD |
| 08:06.14 | Trela | If you click it from the home page, it is missing. |
| 08:06.15 | Adys | Antiarc: yeah but they link the one i linked |
| 08:06.17 | Trela | Antiarc: YOU WIN! |
| 08:06.26 | Antiarc | \o/ |
| 08:06.30 | Trela | !cookie Antiarc |
| 08:06.30 | Trela | hands Antiarc a macadamia nut cookie. |
| 08:06.33 | Antiarc | Do I get a free Firefox license? |
| 08:06.54 | Adys | As I understand it |
| 08:06.57 | Antiarc | YAY! No more pirated copies! |
| 08:07.35 | Adys | Firefox 4 will be the first browser not codenamed against a japanese location |
| 08:07.43 | Adys | Firefox 4 "Google Chrome" |
| 08:07.52 | Antiarc | Heh |
| 08:08.15 | smcn | re: my earlier question, turns out you get frost if you finish the instance after the rollover |
| 08:08.15 | Antiarc | Opera's taking a similar design approach, too |
| 08:08.32 | ZorbaTHut | smcn, interesting |
| 08:09.18 | Trela | I might get a SATA card like this for my Mac. http://www.sonnettech.com/PRODUCT/tempo_sata_e4p.html |
| 08:09.29 | Antiarc | I just want an SSD array :( |
| 08:09.55 | Polarina | I want a Christmas present! |
| 08:10.03 | zenzio | char SSD[16]; |
| 08:10.10 | Antiarc | My dream media center is something like 2TB of solid state storage in a redundant array |
| 08:10.15 | Polarina | zenzio: :D |
| 08:10.23 | Antiarc | I would rip all my DVDs are put them in the attick |
| 08:10.28 | Antiarc | It would be marvelous. |
| 08:10.33 | Trela | I want U-Haul to confirm my reservation! |
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| 08:11.04 | Trela | Antiarc: Kind of what I am doing, but with regular drives. I already filled a bunch of 1gb drives. |
| 08:11.08 | Polarina | OH, Nice! |
| 08:11.11 | Polarina | loves Darcs. |
| 08:11.24 | zenzio | Darcs? |
| 08:11.40 | Antiarc | Hm |
| 08:11.54 | Polarina | zenzio: A VCS. |
| 08:11.59 | Antiarc | I could get a pair of 1TB SATA drives for $85 apiece |
| 08:12.07 | Trela | What I really need is a good stereo VCR to rip all of my VHS tapes. |
| 08:12.41 | Trela | I figured out it would take two months of non-stop play back to copy all of them to disk. |
| 08:13.05 | zenzio | "Opera 10.5 Pre-Alpha is Out"... I think the aggressive "release early, release often" tactic is going a bit far now |
| 08:13.05 | Antiarc | I could run a RAID1 setup and be perfectly happy. |
| 08:13.06 | Polarina | has three VCRs. |
| 08:13.32 | Antiarc | I have a VCR somewhere, but digitizing old tapes sounds like a good idea. |
| 08:13.40 | Antiarc | Man, I'm really getting the itch to hack something up now. |
| 08:14.09 | Adys | question to SQLers, is there any actual backend benefit for making varchar lengths a power of two minus one? |
| 08:14.35 | Polarina | Adys: No. |
| 08:14.55 | Adys | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/593364/varchar-fields-is-a-power-of-two-more-efficient |
| 08:14.58 | Adys | you are too late |
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| 08:15.36 | Polarina | :( |
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| 08:19.06 | Antiarc | https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Talk:Firefox/Roadmap&oldid=188917 |
| 08:19.13 | Antiarc | This looks like a really nice featureset. |
| 08:20.01 | zenzio | Weave - soon to be confused with Wave |
| 08:25.22 | Fisker | you wouldn't use firefox Antiarc |
| 08:26.32 | Trela | is confused. |
| 08:27.19 | Trela | Ethernet measures in bits. The 3.0Gbs of SATA 2, is that bits? |
| 08:27.39 | wereHamster | Gbs = gigabit per second |
| 08:27.48 | Antiarc | Generally, yes |
| 08:28.01 | Antiarc | Data transfer is nearly always bits, data size is nearly always bytes |
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| 08:28.28 | wereHamster | GBs = gigabytes per second. Generally, b = bits, B = bytes |
| 08:28.37 | Polarina | GiB/s |
| 08:28.38 | Polarina | :D |
| 08:28.47 | Trela | Ah, I was reading product literature for SATA cards and some where listing 300Mbs and I was going, "WTF? That's slow!" |
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| 08:29.10 | truedego | Question: Does PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED fire the entire time your out of combat or just on the moment you start to regen? |
| 08:29.18 | Trela | I assume they meant 300MBs. |
| 08:29.19 | Antiarc | Just when you start to regen |
| 08:29.24 | truedego | sweet |
| 08:29.25 | truedego | ty |
| 08:29.28 | Polarina | truedego: How can it even fire the entire time, tell me. |
| 08:29.29 | Antiarc | That's still only 2.4 Gb/S |
| 08:29.37 | Antiarc | Polarina: Once per frame? :P |
| 08:29.44 | Polarina | Antiarc: Lame. |
| 08:29.55 | Antiarc | Totally, but that's why it doesn't, I suppose :P |
| 08:29.57 | truedego | just making sure |
| 08:30.00 | Trela | Most hard drives barely breach 100MBs thought, correct? |
| 08:30.04 | Trela | *though |
| 08:30.07 | Polarina | Trela: Correct. |
| 08:30.28 | Trela | Then I am not too worried about it being way faster than the drives. :P |
| 08:32.25 | Adys | http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/11980-coolice |
| 08:33.49 | Adys | NSFB (Not safe for the brain) |
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| 08:35.14 | Trela | So many damn advertisements on that video. |
| 08:36.35 | Adys | Yeah Trela its annoying |
| 08:36.37 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MCXJ_veMrk&feature=related |
| 08:36.39 | Wobin | wow |
| 08:36.48 | Trela | I blocked one and then three more came up. |
| 08:37.05 | Trela | "This video blah blah mobile phone." *Shoots the screen.* |
| 08:43.53 | Adys | Wobin: some of this shit is insane |
| 08:44.06 | Wobin | ho yeah |
| 08:48.01 | Trela | This should fit me needs well. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817332010 |
| 08:49.28 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/12/22/funny-pictures-the-feather/ |
| 08:50.06 | Wobin | perfect expression |
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| 08:52.25 | zenzio | http://failblog.org/2009/12/22/christmas-lights-install-fail/ -- lol |
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| 09:17.25 | _rane | "Thatâs just a decoration made to look like a man falling. Failblog FAIL" QFT |
| 09:19.13 | zenzio | _rane: did you read the bit under the picture? |
| 09:19.25 | _rane | I know the story |
| 09:19.38 | _rane | read the url "christmas-lights-install-fail" |
| 09:19.58 | _rane | later on they realized what it was about |
| 09:20.17 | _rane | failblog should focus on what the fuck they post instead of labeling random shit as "FAIL" |
| 09:20.57 | zenzio | well hello there Captain Serious |
| 09:21.13 | zenzio | ignore the "Fail" part and it's still a funny picture/story |
| 09:21.15 | foxlit | meh, I need to stay away from http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29487 |
| 09:22.29 | foxlit | I strongly feel that he's misusing the word paradox. |
| 09:23.18 | zenzio | inaccurate language on the Intarwebs? How can this be! |
| 09:24.10 | Wobin | ... 50%? |
| 09:25.07 | foxlit | Wobin: the alternative line of reasoning is: "well, the possible situations are BB, BG, GB, GG, so if we know that one is a girl, the probability that the other is as well is 1/3" |
| 09:27.29 | Wobin | I prefer to interpret it as "I have two children, one is a girl, the chances of having a boy or a girl are equal, and my previous children do not affect the chances of later ones, so the chance of me getting another girl is 50%" |
| 09:27.58 | foxlit | The question is really whether the original wording is "I have one girl" or "My first child is a girl" |
| 09:28.03 | _rane | Shadowed: did you bother reading what I said you last weekend? :) |
| 09:28.05 | foxlit | ^ at least one. |
| 09:28.28 | foxlit | It's only in the latter that you can do the "well, they're independent" shuffle. |
| 09:29.16 | Wobin | so the question really lies in the inability to state the question correctly in the first place =P |
| 09:29.34 | foxlit | Most of those "paradoxes" do. |
| 09:29.47 | Wobin | mostly because people misremember them |
| 09:30.11 | Wobin | "I remember this really cool paradox I learned in uni.. it had two girls and chances and... oh fuckit, I'll just wing it..." |
| 09:30.32 | foxlit | Meh, it seems intentional to me. If there was no ambiguity, you can't get people to disagree, and there's no point posting it. |
| 09:31.00 | Codayus | That particular problem generates disagreement no matter HOW clearly you explain it, in my experience. |
| 09:31.12 | Wobin | I feel my explanation fully covers the statement |
| 09:31.25 | Wobin | If it were worded differently, then sure, there'd be room for discussion |
| 09:31.30 | Codayus | Not as bad as the Monty Hall problem, of course. But both are good examples how how terrible humans are at a particular type of probability/stats. |
| 09:31.41 | Wobin | monty hall drives me batty =( |
| 09:31.48 | Wobin | I understand it |
| 09:31.53 | Wobin | but deep down... I really don't =( |
| 09:31.59 | foxlit | Wobin: the wording is "One of my children is a girl. What's the chance that I have 2 girls?" |
| 09:32.02 | zenzio | the real problem with "paradoxes" on the Internet is that they are almost always just a way for someone to claim "I am smarter than you all, and DON'T YOU TRY PROVING ME WRONG" |
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| 09:32.18 | Wobin | foxlit, and the answer is 50% =) |
| 09:32.36 | foxlit | Then we, sir, disagree. Off my bridge with you! |
| 09:32.45 | Codayus | Yes. Our monkey brains appear to be wired in a standard fashion. Ability to visualize 3D shapes - yes. 4D - no. Ability to understand algebra - yes. Monty Hall-style stats - no. :-) |
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| 09:33.55 | Wobin | In reality, the answer is "You'll have whatever the hell I produce, and you'd better shut your mouth about it!" |
| 09:35.48 | zenzio | "Fixed compatibility problems under Windows Vista and Windows 7 x64 with 8 GB and more RAM" -- finally it's officially patched... now to wait until I get home and see if I can actually play ARMA2 again! |
| 09:36.11 | foxlit | ~google ARMA |
| 09:36.25 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 09:36.48 | zenzio | this is ARMA2, but basically ARMA: Armed Assault and ARMA2 are the spiritual sequels to Operation Flashpoint |
| 09:37.05 | foxlit | doesn't do FPS. |
| 09:37.07 | zenzio | made by the original developer; while Codemasters (the publisher) maintained the rights to the name |
| 09:37.29 | zenzio | this isn't so much FPS as a military simulator. You die easily, your guns don't hurt tanks, etc. |
| 09:37.29 | foxlit | With notable exceptions of games whose third episodes will never be released. |
| 09:37.45 | zenzio | foxlit: which game series would that be? |
| 09:38.30 | zenzio | "DRM free"... that's an interesting change in a patch |
| 09:38.32 | foxlit | http://half-life2.com/ |
| 09:38.36 | mikma | i wonder how many of those winners will sell the minipet |
| 09:38.38 | zenzio | oh, heh |
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| 09:57.12 | Fisker | you simply wouldn't zenzelezz |
| 09:57.19 | zenzio | I would too |
| 09:58.52 | Fisker | be on a boat? |
| 09:59.00 | zenzio | anywhere |
| 10:00.15 | Fisker | i don't get it |
| 10:00.23 | Fisker | Why would i untick "Fix repairs automatically"? |
| 10:00.29 | Fisker | That's not very advanced ;_; |
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| 10:17.19 | mikma | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/december/gamesystems_001.jpg <- hahaha, "Cannot be cast hen in combat" |
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| 10:19.18 | mikma | haste: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/mission_delicious_cake.jpg |
| 10:28.52 | mascondante | ...wow |
| 10:29.26 | _rane | has anyone figured out a way to fix broken combat log without restaring wow? |
| 10:29.39 | _rane | I'm sick of addons breaking because of it =( |
| 10:31.36 | mikma | there is no way. |
| 10:35.01 | mikma | awesome weather in here! |
| 10:35.04 | mikma | http://alk.tiehallinto.fi/alk/kelikamerat/C0453000230939.jpg |
| 10:35.19 | mikma | http://alk.tiehallinto.fi/alk/kelikamerat/C0453000230959.jpg |
| 10:35.42 | _rane | mikma: no way? =( |
| 10:36.10 | _rane | <@ ranebot> | 1°?! ITS FUCKING COLD ââ Your source of crude weather! |
| 10:36.23 | mikma | -5.2°C, not that bad because it was -20°C ~week ako |
| 10:36.25 | mikma | ago* |
| 10:36.42 | zenzio | I hear most of Europe is having pretty cold weather |
| 10:36.43 | haste | _rane: logging out to the login screen _might_ work |
| 10:36.51 | haste | if not you pretty much have to restart |
| 10:39.44 | Adys | Anyone decent with css could tell me how to remove top/bottom spacing from <p> in block display? its neither margin nor padding |
| 10:40.09 | Wobin | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/122009/zardoz-zardog.jpg |
| 10:40.22 | foxlit | Show us your spacing :) |
| 10:40.26 | _rane | ^ |
| 10:40.26 | haste | Adys: just fire up a web inspector and see what creates it |
| 10:40.40 | haste | Adys: in most cases it's not the <p> element doing the padding/margin |
| 10:40.43 | _rane | line height? :P |
| 10:41.20 | Adys | haste: did, i even installed firefox to check with firebug too |
| 10:41.23 | Adys | _rane: possibly, sec |
| 10:42.02 | haste | Adys: then it shouldn't be an issue at all I guess |
| 10:42.16 | haste | Adys: unless firebug suck ass compared to opera's/webkit's solution |
| 10:42.18 | Wobin | Adys, link? |
| 10:45.41 | _rane | imo firebug is far better than webkit's error console & inspector |
| 10:45.57 | Trela | Firebug is awesome. |
| 10:46.13 | Adys | _rane: for css yeh |
| 10:46.16 | Adys | for now |
| 10:46.32 | Trela | I love using it to make quick CSS changes then implementing them into the actual file. |
| 10:47.49 | Adys | Wobin: it was white-space: pre-wrap |
| 10:47.57 | Adys | some stuff i still had left over |
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| 10:59.17 | foxlit | grrr, WM. |
| 11:02.20 | foxlit | They do, apparently, still pull data from wowi. |
| 11:02.41 | zenzio | ... |
| 11:05.07 | Trela | o.o;; |
| 11:05.29 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 11:05.46 | Cairenn | foxlit: you determined this, how? |
| 11:06.36 | foxlit | They have a few of my addons in the list; one of those "official website" links leads back to wowi. |
| 11:06.45 | Cairenn | (not at all upset with you, just wanting to know how you know, so I can talk to D.olby about it when he wakes) |
| 11:06.47 | foxlit | Generally, metadata matches that provided by wowi as well. |
| 11:06.57 | Cairenn | okay |
| 11:07.14 | foxlit | They're rehosting the zips, though. |
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| 11:07.26 | Cairenn | still not acceptable |
| 11:07.42 | Cairenn | they have no permission from anyone involved to pull from our site |
| 11:07.51 | foxlit | Indeed, but there might not be much that you could do about it -- some of this stuff seems delayed, so they could just be doing it by hand. |
| 11:08.13 | Cairenn | they're breaking our ToS |
| 11:08.25 | Cairenn | and they're violating author copyright |
| 11:08.29 | Cairenn | same as before |
| 11:09.22 | Cairenn | I'll talk to D.olby about it when he wakes up, looks like we may have to put our blocks back in place (we'd actually lifted them) |
| 11:09.28 | Cairenn | thank you for the heads up |
| 11:09.49 | Wobin | Cairenn, why the '.'? Soas not to ping? =P |
| 11:09.55 | Cairenn | yup |
| 11:10.04 | Wobin | Just call him "SurroundSound" |
| 11:10.14 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 11:14.26 | Trela | Yeah, they are rehosting mine as well. >:( |
| 11:15.55 | Cairenn | growls |
| 11:16.34 | Trela | Official home page goes to Curse for mine, but they have a giant table that just has hard links saved in it so that is not surprising. |
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| 11:17.03 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.16 | foxlit | Most Curse links I've found in there so far have some sort of open license. |
| 11:17.32 | Trela | I even sent them an email last year some time to remove my add on. They replied that they did and it would not be added back. |
| 11:18.01 | Cairenn | yeah, well, we already know how 'legit' they are |
| 11:18.01 | foxlit | GPL/BSD/Public Domain and so on; but I suppose not all of them are. |
| 11:18.02 | Trela | Mine is all rights reserved. |
| 11:18.15 | Wobin | Do I have to download it to see if mine are hosted? |
| 11:18.23 | Trela | I can for you if you wish, Wobin. |
| 11:18.29 | foxlit | Wobin: no, there's a list. Alternatively, we can check :) |
| 11:18.37 | Cairenn | should be able to just go to their site |
| 11:18.49 | foxlit | Yeah, /addons/ does the trick. |
| 11:18.55 | Wobin | not sure how up to date that list is |
| 11:19.00 | Wobin | has a poke around |
| 11:19.14 | Trela | Cairenn: For the longest time flagRSP2(My add on) was listed on their site, but trying to install it in WoWMatrix just said to visit the official web site to get it. That was fine with me. |
| 11:19.27 | Cairenn | Trela: nod |
| 11:19.59 | Trela | What does the Wobin make? |
| 11:20.03 | Wobin | MrPlow |
| 11:20.12 | foxlit | nope. |
| 11:20.14 | Trela | Nope. |
| 11:20.18 | Wobin | good to hear =) |
| 11:20.20 | wakatake | is it possible to ress your dead corpse from another spirit healer?? |
| 11:20.30 | foxlit | No, you'll get ported. |
| 11:20.39 | Wobin | well, yes |
| 11:20.41 | Wobin | but you'll get ported |
| 11:20.47 | wakatake | ported to where i die? |
| 11:21.22 | foxlit | That would be my theory, but I can't quite remember. |
| 11:21.38 | EthanCentaurai | you'll be ported to the first graveyard you were sent to when you released |
| 11:21.45 | wakatake | that sucks |
| 11:21.53 | wakatake | that maens i have to die many many more times to cross a continent |
| 11:22.02 | _rane | that's probably the idea |
| 11:22.43 | wakatake | that's the most retarded implementation ever |
| 11:23.01 | Fisker | hey Cairenn |
| 11:23.08 | Cairenn | Fisker: yeah? |
| 11:23.14 | foxlit | They had different design goals. Having you run in ghost form across a continent wasn't one of them, I guess. |
| 11:23.21 | Fisker | so a guy can't greet anyone anymore? :( |
| 11:23.35 | Cairenn | oh, wasn't sure if that was all |
| 11:23.41 | Fisker | btw i don't think jnwhiteh and bleeter have devices to extend their birthdays beyond a day |
| 11:23.47 | Fisker | ! |
| 11:24.00 | Fisker | am shocked and appalled and all that |
| 11:24.50 | Trela | ...OH SHIT. |
| 11:24.55 | Trela | I MISSED MY BROTHER'S BIRTHDAY! |
| 11:25.02 | Fisker | when is it? |
| 11:25.08 | Trela | 12/22. >.>; |
| 11:25.12 | Fisker | oh pew |
| 11:25.17 | foxlit | It's still 12/22 somewhere. |
| 11:25.18 | Fisker | was afraid me might have the same brother! |
| 11:25.35 | Trela | Yeah, it would cost me too much in gas to get there though. >:( |
| 11:29.05 | EthanCentaurai | so many birthday's recently... mine on 12/16, jnwhiteh's on 12/17, Trela's brother's on 12/22/ Torhal's tomorrow... :D |
| 11:29.19 | Trela | *Looks to the right.* I hate WoWMatrix, Happy Festivus! |
| 11:30.21 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "I would, however, eat your tuna." - DWSR |
| 11:31.00 | zenzio | is that what they call it these days? |
| 11:31.48 | EthanCentaurai | mmm... tuna... |
| 11:31.54 | EthanCentaurai | is hungry. |
| 11:33.06 | zenzio | well, with 6 billion people on the planet, there's an average of 16438356 birthdays every day |
| 11:35.35 | EthanCentaurai | I was going to be a Christmas baby, but I popped out 9 days early :( |
| 11:35.58 | foxlit | EthanCentaurai: your own good luck. |
| 11:36.20 | foxlit | This way, you get double the presents. |
| 11:36.24 | Trela | Being born around/on Christmas sucks for presents. :P |
| 11:36.39 | EthanCentaurai | trufax |
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| 11:37.37 | EthanCentaurai | it would suck to be born on Feb 29th though, only having one birthday every 4 years :P |
| 11:38.03 | foxlit | I highly suspect nobody is born on Feb 29th. |
| 11:38.11 | foxlit | At least not officially. |
| 11:39.14 | Wobin | My parents were nearly married on the 29th of feb |
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| 11:41.20 | AlphaCentaurai | stupid router |
| 11:41.42 | AlphaCentaurai | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.46 | AlphaCentaurai | ack! |
| 11:42.06 | EthanCentaurai | fails. |
| 11:42.27 | Cairenn | not that big a fail, you didn't put your pw in |
| 11:42.57 | EthanCentaurai | true |
| 11:43.02 | Cairenn | :) |
| 11:43.04 | EthanCentaurai | has done that before... |
| 11:44.37 | Torhal | EthanCentaurai: The scary thing is, wherever I go, someone invariably calls me Jesus. My Initials are J.C., and you already know my birth date. |
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| 11:45.19 | EthanCentaurai | lol aye |
| 11:45.39 | EthanCentaurai | I bet that does get annoying |
| 11:47.39 | Torhal | At times :) |
| 11:58.33 | zenzio | Joshua Calvert? |
| 12:03.15 | Wobin | Jonothon Coulton! |
| 12:03.28 | Wobin | I love your music, Torhal! =) |
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| 12:06.01 | Adys | or maybe just James Callahan |
| 12:06.09 | DJJeff | anyone in here use WIM (WoW Instant Mess...) |
| 12:06.43 | Adys | wow instant mess? is that an algalon addon or some sick roleplay thing? |
| 12:07.36 | DWSR | lol |
| 12:07.39 | DWSR | DJJeff: Yes, I do. |
| 12:07.57 | DJJeff | WIM is a World of Warcraft addon which helps you to manage your whispers by making them into a classic instant messenger interface such as AIM, Yahoo and MSN. |
| 12:08.14 | DJJeff | its a great addon |
| 12:08.16 | Adys | I know, it was a joke sir. |
| 12:09.01 | DWSR | It's unmaintained though |
| 12:09.13 | DWSR | Or at least, not maintained often |
| 12:09.17 | DJJeff | the only thing it needs.... scrollbars so you can scroll it for Trade chat cause it fills up quickly |
| 12:09.37 | DJJeff | I posted in the forums about it |
| 12:09.45 | DJJeff | def a great addon though |
| 12:10.09 | DWSR | I don't use WIM for Trade... |
| 12:10.14 | DWSR | I only use WIM for whispers. |
| 12:10.22 | DWSR | The default chat windows are for...well...chat! |
| 12:10.54 | DWSR | You're asking for a feature which is a pretty edge case. |
| 12:12.52 | foxlit | Polarina: you've surprised me. |
| 12:14.35 | foxlit | On the other hand, you just ignored half of the question. Meh! |
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| 12:17.23 | Antiarc | friggin' loooooooooooooool. |
| 12:17.24 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/5aJOw.png |
| 12:17.50 | DWSR | rofl |
| 12:17.56 | DWSR | I can't believe that that shit is actually a reason |
| 12:18.01 | Wobin | jesus =P |
| 12:18.42 | zenzio | hehe |
| 12:19.01 | Wobin | if anyone hasn't heard this song... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=450KmpsS0kE&hd=1 |
| 12:19.05 | Wobin | it's utterly awesome |
| 12:20.13 | Trela | EEE! CHRISTMAS SONG! |
| 12:20.21 | Wobin | <3 Tim Minchin |
| 12:20.33 | Trela | Wish I had a remote starter on my Jeep. |
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| 12:21.46 | Wobin | it, aside from the anti religious first couple of verses |
| 12:21.57 | Wobin | is the most touching song I've heard in a while |
| 12:25.25 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 12:26.18 | Wobin | hey fisker |
| 12:26.58 | Fisker | You wouldn't start my name with a capital letter |
| 12:27.04 | Wobin | okay |
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| 12:32.13 | DJJeff | ckknight: any clue when Cartographer is getting an update? |
| 12:32.40 | DJJeff | I have version 2.5.6 |
| 12:33.18 | DJJeff | there are 4 authors listed for that addon X_X |
| 12:35.50 | nevcairiel | And no-one is actively working on it |
| 12:36.26 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmmm It shows up as a popular addon in Curse |
| 12:46.46 | Antiarc | DJJeff: Cartographer is deprecated. |
| 12:46.55 | Antiarc | Mapster is what you want, likely. |
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| 12:54.22 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/pages/ |
| 12:54.25 | Adys | blizzard is doing my head in |
| 12:54.28 | Adys | with its broken html and what not |
| 12:56.46 | Wobin | http://db.mmo-champion.com/p/3547/it-appears-archavon-has-been-keeping/ |
| 12:56.48 | Wobin | ??? |
| 12:57.14 | Adys | what about it Wobin ? |
| 13:00.27 | Adys | 1057: Jerome Leclanche 2009-12-23 Escape lt/gt if not in html mode |
| 13:00.27 | Adys | 1058: Jerome Leclanche 2009-12-23 .. and only after having the name ready |
| 13:00.27 | Adys | 1059: Jerome Leclanche 2009-12-23 ... but before replacing linebreaks |
| 13:00.42 | Adys | You make me crryyyyy~ |
| 13:01.27 | Adys | I think it works fine now |
| 13:01.38 | Adys | if anyone wants to report bugs that arent about the broken images :P |
| 13:06.18 | DJJeff | useing Tabbed Dungeon Browser (tabDB) can you queue for battlegrounds from anywhere in City or do you need to be near a battlemaster? |
| 13:06.29 | DJJeff | that would be a great idea |
| 13:06.37 | DJJeff | I hate looking for battlemasters |
| 13:06.43 | DJJeff | well im off doing other things |
| 13:06.46 | DJJeff | *sigh* |
| 13:06.51 | Wobin | ... you can do that already... |
| 13:06.56 | DJJeff | you can? |
| 13:06.56 | Wobin | before 3.3 |
| 13:07.05 | DJJeff | oh |
| 13:13.43 | airtonix | http://nextround.net/upcoming/thumbs/2009/12/22/The-Japanese-Snuggie-Happened-full.jpg |
| 13:14.31 | zenzio | World is not surprised. |
| 13:14.45 | airtonix | image not safe for fiskers work. |
| 13:15.32 | foxlit | oxymoron, fisker has no work. |
| 13:16.00 | airtonix | The header reads ââIn this thing, you can quickly jump up and escape if youâre attacked by a bear in the middle of the night,â but can you really go that fast?â |
| 13:16.13 | Fisker | no |
| 13:16.30 | nevcairiel | Don't they have those with arms as well? |
| 13:16.31 | airtonix | trolling is serious business |
| 13:17.39 | foxlit | Hm, WM is oddly fast about removing addons on request. |
| 13:17.55 | nevcairiel | They got afraid |
| 13:17.58 | foxlit | I expected this to take more than an hour or two. |
| 13:18.33 | zenzio | cool |
| 13:19.34 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSfSV5BSZ2g&feature=channel |
| 13:20.19 | airtonix | http://www.manofest.com/content/images/joomgallery/img_pictures/funny_4/25_people_who_look_like_famous_cartoon_characters_246/madonna_skeletor_20091222_1931435321.jpg |
| 13:21.55 | Wobin | wow, the biceps match |
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| 13:24.26 | Torhal | Wobin: Music, eh? Heh. |
| 13:25.34 | Wobin | Torhal, you know JoCo? =P |
| 13:32.20 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 13:40.33 | Torhal | Wobin: I do not. |
| 13:40.45 | Wobin | *gasp* |
| 13:42.20 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjMiDZIY1bM&feature=fvw |
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| 13:44.36 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knzMFC6s4Bw&feature=channel << better joke, tbh |
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| 13:48.24 | Wobin | truedat |
| 13:48.31 | Wobin | in general JoCo rocks |
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| 14:09.46 | Polarina | foxlit: ? |
| 14:10.06 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=171508&postcount=26 |
| 14:10.08 | Polarina | Anyway, when putting up a Christmas tree, which is put up first, the decorations or the lights? |
| 14:10.20 | Polarina | foxlit: What about it? |
| 14:10.21 | nevcairiel | lights |
| 14:10.23 | Wobin | the lights |
| 14:10.27 | foxlit | lights! |
| 14:10.38 | Polarina | Ok, thanks! :D |
| 14:10.40 | airtonix | the tree |
| 14:10.41 | Wobin | easier to decorate around the lights than wind them around the decorations |
| 14:10.43 | foxlit | Polarina: what I originally said about it: you ignored half of the question. |
| 14:10.44 | Polarina | airtonix: :P |
| 14:10.49 | Polarina | foxlit: What questions? |
| 14:11.13 | airtonix | make sure it doesn't have venomous spiders in it |
| 14:11.19 | Polarina | Oh. |
| 14:11.20 | airtonix | or boa constrictors |
| 14:11.24 | Polarina | Ok. |
| 14:11.25 | Polarina | Will do. |
| 14:11.28 | airtonix | or a family of apes |
| 14:11.29 | Polarina | goes decorating. |
| 14:11.55 | nevcairiel | You want the ape-less trees? what are you? crazy? |
| 14:13.20 | Polarina | :D |
| 14:14.14 | airtonix | have you seen what sadistic chimpanzees do to a six year old child reaching for the presents ? |
| 14:14.26 | airtonix | >> make sure it doesn't have apes << |
| 14:14.40 | DWSR | The ape is a lie. |
| 14:14.44 | airtonix | rule 22# : if in doubt, know your way out |
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| 14:31.32 | Lunessa | wants chimps. |
| 14:33.39 | Wobin | http://media.fukung.net/images/12825/06e7b6185ee8ad7368f7c53b8ad804b7.jpg |
| 14:40.50 | DWSR | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/funny-pictures-cat-commands-flying-monkeys.jpg |
| 14:41.55 | Lunessa | Very good class. |
| 14:42.07 | DWSR | lol |
| 14:51.17 | Lunessa | Scars are souveniers you never lose. |
| 14:51.37 | DWSR | Your mom is a sou....waiitttt a second. |
| 14:52.23 | Lunessa | :D |
| 14:53.32 | foxlit | "Special Deals for Today Only!" "26 hours remaining" |
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| 14:54.21 | Wobin | That is pretty special |
| 14:54.50 | foxlit | Although they could be just going "Well, it's still today somewhere!" |
| 14:54.56 | Lunessa | I need a 26 hour day. That would be special. |
| 14:55.06 | nevcairiel | 2 more hours for sleep, i would like that |
| 14:55.17 | foxlit | It was something like 36 earlier. |
| 14:56.07 | Arrowmaster | 37 |
| 14:56.10 | Arrowmaster | when i mentioned it |
| 14:56.46 | Arrowmaster | im going to watch scrubs now |
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| 15:03.56 | Lunessa | releases evil minions into the world to add two more hours to the day. |
| 15:05.05 | zenzelezz | you know capitalism dictates that would increase the work day by one hour? |
| 15:06.08 | foxlit | by three, surely. |
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| 15:10.13 | Lunessa | foxlit: ^^. This is my my minions are EVIL minions. |
| 15:10.29 | Lunessa | is a proud capitalist. |
| 15:10.37 | Lopeppeppy | is a proud evil minion! |
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| 15:11.48 | zenzelezz | what the hell Steam, I'm clicking the "View Store page" on a game because I want to see the freaking store page for the game, not your bloody OMG BUY MOAR!!! page |
| 15:11.57 | Lunessa | The "Austin Powers" movie DvD has an awesome short feature about minions. |
| 15:13.39 | Lopeppeppy | Minions aren't allowed to watch dvds. |
| 15:15.07 | Fisker | awww :( |
| 15:15.24 | Fisker | you're doing it wrong zenzelezz |
| 15:15.30 | Fisker | or the app id for the store link is wrong |
| 15:15.33 | Fisker | what game is it? |
| 15:15.52 | zenzelezz | I tried both ARMA2 and MW2, same deal |
| 15:17.11 | Fisker | dunno about ARMA2 |
| 15:17.19 | Fisker | but for MW2 you gotta take the non-multiplayer game |
| 15:17.38 | Fisker | or it'll link to the multiplayer appid which doesn't exist in the store |
| 15:17.45 | Fisker | but it's not discounted anyways |
| 15:17.52 | Fisker | Bobby Kotick is the grinch that stole christmas |
| 15:17.54 | Fisker | damn bastard |
| 15:18.06 | zenzelezz | I used the single-player one |
| 15:18.27 | zenzelezz | and I wasn't going to buy anything, I wanted to find a way to see if Steam had the patch or not |
| 15:18.32 | Fisker | well i just tested it and it worked fine here |
| 15:18.37 | Fisker | what patch? |
| 15:18.42 | Fisker | ARMA2? |
| 15:19.15 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 15:19.28 | Fisker | ah ok |
| 15:19.31 | zenzelezz | might just be my Steam client that's messing up, but that's all I care about :-p |
| 15:19.53 | Fisker | Well usually it'll have the same patch |
| 15:20.00 | Fisker | Might just take a few days if the devs are slacking |
| 15:20.08 | zenzelezz | I don't see why MW2 wouldn't work; but I do think there's something odd about the ARMA2 one... if I choose "View update news" when right-clicking on it, it will only ever show Steam news |
| 15:20.15 | Fisker | check the forums though |
| 15:20.24 | zenzelezz | yeah, did, you can update it manually |
| 15:20.28 | Fisker | yeah zenzelezz that's default if the appid doesn't exist either |
| 15:20.40 | Fisker | The update news isn't that much used by developers |
| 15:20.43 | Fisker | only Valve themselves |
| 15:20.48 | zenzelezz | hm, I see |
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| 15:32.00 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/22/google-nexus-one-stands-with-iphone-and-hero-interface-gets-a-5/ <-ok that wallpaper thing is awesome |
| 15:38.48 | Fisker | oh god i should never have bought this package zenzelezz |
| 15:38.58 | Fisker | it contained the games JoJo's Fashion Show 1 and 2 |
| 15:38.59 | Fisker | ;( |
| 15:40.29 | Lopeppeppy | .... smash it with a hammer. |
| 15:41.20 | Elkano | Fisker, you bought almost anything that looked cheap and at least a bit worth the price, didn't you? ;) |
| 15:41.29 | Fisker | sure |
| 15:41.48 | Lopeppeppy | crazy monkey. now you pay the real price! |
| 15:41.52 | Elkano | just checked my community page and went loke ZOMGWTFLOL |
| 15:42.00 | Fisker | :P |
| 15:42.11 | Elkano | that's why I PM'd you earlier ^^ |
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| 15:55.57 | amro | nobin: ping |
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| 16:46.23 | Lunessa | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/november/tier10_shaman_male.jpg - Oh yes. DO WANT. DO. WANT. It will be mine, oh yes, it will be. |
| 16:47.16 | Lopeppeppy | Which color, blue green or orange? |
| 16:47.19 | Lopeppeppy | And which race? |
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| 16:48.28 | zenzelezz | the dungeon finder should not be allowed to place people who haven't done normal (or heroic) ICC 5-mans in heroic ICC 5-mans |
| 16:50.05 | Dagmar | Considering that 2 of the 3 are locked until you've done the ones previous, it can't really |
| 16:50.28 | Lunessa | Orange is the top end, and Draenei. |
| 16:50.35 | zenzelezz | I mean if you've not done normal or heroic PoS, you shouldn't be allowed into random heroic PoS |
| 16:50.42 | zenzelezz | same for HoR |
| 16:51.02 | nevcairiel | It only requires you to have completed FoS for PoS and PoS for HoR |
| 16:51.05 | nevcairiel | isnt that enough? :P |
| 16:51.07 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I do not agree. |
| 16:51.10 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: no |
| 16:51.17 | nevcairiel | they will suck regardless |
| 16:51.19 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: you've not had the group I currently do |
| 16:51.46 | nevcairiel | If they can't adapt to the instance on their first try, they wont on their second either |
| 16:51.48 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: True, but I do not suck. Any role I play, I'm worth having in a group. :P |
| 16:51.49 | nevcairiel | you dont win much |
| 16:52.16 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: they would at least have probably seen the bosses |
| 16:52.29 | zenzelezz | no "oh, I didn't heal you on Garfrost because I though I should be hiding" |
| 16:52.41 | nevcairiel | so tell them what to do |
| 16:52.50 | Dagmar | I'm with Nev on this one |
| 16:52.52 | zenzelezz | I did |
| 16:53.16 | zenzelezz | you wouldn't think so, but I'm generally forgiving of PUGs |
| 16:53.20 | Dagmar | You can always vote them off the island |
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| 16:53.48 | zenzelezz | not half the group |
| 16:53.48 | Dagmar | Or install DBM. It'll announce the stuff in /party chat |
| 16:53.56 | Lunessa | Actually, doing that fight on my priest last night I kept getting told I was out of LoS even when I was out in the open. Lost two DPS on that fight because I couldn't heal them. |
| 16:54.16 | nevcairiel | the stones sometiems to weird LoS things |
| 16:54.22 | nevcairiel | s/to/do/ |
| 16:54.28 | nevcairiel | bah |
| 16:54.30 | Dagmar | Their position is not always as exact as it should be |
| 16:55.04 | Dagmar | ...probably because I move around alot. ;) |
| 16:55.25 | Lunessa | Yeah. It freaked me out a bit. We finished it, but it was harder than it needed to be. |
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| 16:56.14 | Fisker | zenzelezz |
| 16:56.17 | Fisker | i just made you a fart |
| 16:56.38 | Dagmar | The moment I get the message I haul butt over next to some guild mate with that skull over my head, and on a good day they don't run away from me to stand in the spot I left. |
| 16:57.21 | Dagmar | I suspect they're getting used to people standing there like a post |
| 16:58.00 | Lunessa | All I can say is that ICC 5-Mans make me use my instant heals more than any instance ever. |
| 16:58.22 | zenzelezz | anyhow; I have DBM, but I never let my addons spam chat |
| 16:59.58 | Dagmar | Thus far I have yet to see anyone else in a RPUG running it. |
| 17:00.22 | Dagmar | The only place it really spams is the rather continuous set of portals in Violet Hold |
| 17:03.27 | zenzelezz | by "spam" I meant "say anything at all" |
| 17:03.43 | DWSR | Anyone have a plaintext list of all US realms? |
| 17:03.59 | Dagmar | Well, personally I'd like people to not stand there like a post when a rock's being thrown at them, for example. |
| 17:04.45 | zenzelezz | if they don't know the fight, they won't know what the stone throw means |
| 17:05.09 | Dagmar | DBM's message is somewhat explicit. "... MOVE!" |
| 17:05.45 | Dagmar | ...and of course my favorite for Mirrored Soul... "STOP DPS!" |
| 17:06.01 | Dagmar | I know bunches of people who've killed themselves there |
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| 17:15.17 | Bruners | ~weather enbo |
| 17:18.53 | Zhinjio | heheheheee : http://bit.ly/4YFP7s |
| 17:18.54 | Zhinjio | (sfw) |
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| 17:33.31 | Fisker | it's not Zhinjio |
| 17:33.42 | Zhinjio | it isn't? |
| 17:33.51 | DWSR | Holy shit, how many US realms are there? |
| 17:34.03 | DWSR | inb4 over 9000, it's not fucking funny. |
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| 17:34.42 | Kraps | over 9000 |
| 17:37.01 | zenzelezz | I find it amusing when people choose to take a vaccine that has recently been rushfully developed, and then they have some sort of bad side effect and go whining on TV |
| 17:38.39 | nevcairiel | I find it amusing when people take the vaccine |
| 17:38.45 | zenzelezz | that too |
| 17:39.18 | Kraps | zenzelezz: and that gives fuel to the horrible "vaccines are bad" psychosis |
| 17:39.37 | zenzelezz | if you wish to call it that |
| 17:39.51 | zenzelezz | I'm inherently distrustful of medicine |
| 17:40.01 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 17:40.09 | Legorol | zenzelezz: then don't forget to waive your right to general anaesthetic during your open heart surgery |
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| 17:40.34 | nevcairiel | I would only take vaccines for really bad illnesses |
| 17:40.39 | nevcairiel | but a flu? |
| 17:40.52 | zenzelezz | Legorol: I'm the sort of person who would probably rather just want to die in that case. If my body's having such a problem, hey, perhaps there's a reason |
| 17:40.59 | Legorol | if you were a pregnant young mom with high risk of death, you'd take it :P |
| 17:41.17 | Legorol | zenzelezz: perhaps your body is crap, but your mind can be fine |
| 17:41.23 | Kraps | zenzelezz: thats bs and you know it |
| 17:41.24 | Legorol | there's more to life than winning the Olympics |
| 17:41.25 | zenzelezz | Legorol: but the people I were complaining about were the mid-40s women who have no reason to take the vaccine |
| 17:41.42 | zenzelezz | Legorol: I don't give a shit if my mind's fine if my body's in horrible shape |
| 17:41.47 | nevcairiel | Those people take vaccines against generic flu all the time too? |
| 17:41.53 | Legorol | zenzelezz: i'm not disagreeing with you on the merits/demerits of this specific vaccine, i just find your stated reason as over the top |
| 17:41.58 | zenzelezz | Kraps: it is not. I have a very apathetic attitude to life |
| 17:43.40 | zenzelezz | drops a pin |
| 17:43.44 | Zhinjio | I have two problems with the anti-vaccine crowd. And neither has anything at all to do with flu. a) people who try to blame them for things like autism. and b) the fact that there is enough anti-vaccine sentiment now that we have a fucking outbreak of MUMPS again. |
| 17:44.13 | nevcairiel | I'm only against rushed or unneccessary vaccines |
| 17:44.35 | nevcairiel | Unless you're in the risk group, there is no reason for a flu vaccine |
| 17:44.39 | Zhinjio | yeah... I won't talk about flu stuff. ylou want to roll the dice (either way) ... thats your choice. |
| 17:44.51 | zenzelezz | Zhinjio: I'm not anti-vaccine just because I choose not to take them; I'm opposed to people who go crying foul when something happens because they themselves chose to go through with something |
| 17:45.50 | Zhinjio | any responsible health care provider will tell you when you get your shot that it is possible to develop "flu-like" symptoms after you get the vaccination. |
| 17:46.06 | Zhinjio | if you make a stink when that happens, you're just being stupid or ignorant |
| 17:46.14 | nevcairiel | Of course, its an passive vaccine, building up natural defenses |
| 17:46.23 | zenzelezz | Zhinjio: that's what I meant :) |
| 17:47.05 | Zhinjio | and nevcairiel: I agree... health care professionals and high risk people should be getting it first. After that... your option. |
| 17:47.20 | Kraps | a close friend of mine was having strep-like symptoms for a week wouldnt go to the doctor because "they just stuff you with medicine anyway". i was this close to strangling him |
| 17:47.37 | Zhinjio | although... I will admit, I have a close friend who just got home from spending 2 months in a medically induced coma, on a ventilator, and had his heart stop twice due to complications from H1N1. |
| 17:47.45 | Zhinjio | so I cannot possibly question that it is dangerous. |
| 17:47.53 | Zhinjio | he is fortunate to be alive. |
| 17:48.22 | nevcairiel | I don't like hospitals because you're likely to catch some other illness while being treated |
| 17:48.25 | nevcairiel | too many sick people |
| 17:48.32 | Lopeppeppy | Too many resistant-germs |
| 17:48.34 | Zhinjio | that is certainly a risk |
| 17:49.35 | Kraps | ive been in hospitals more time than i care to remember, never got sick from in there |
| 17:50.25 | Zhinjio | you're fortunate. I think the last statistic I heard was something like 27% of people catch stuff in the hospital. |
| 17:50.37 | Zhinjio | which is ... well, too much. |
| 17:50.45 | zenzelezz | in which country? |
| 17:50.49 | Zhinjio | US |
| 17:50.55 | Zhinjio | sorry, yeah. I should qualify that in this crowd. |
| 17:51.10 | zenzelezz | no worries, just wanted to know :) |
| 17:51.30 | zenzelezz | so I'm curious, what do you Americans think about the health reform if it goes through? |
| 17:51.44 | Lopeppeppy | Which one, zenzelezz? |
| 17:51.48 | Zhinjio | as far as I'm concerned, its about 100 years overdue. |
| 17:51.50 | Kraps | lol take cover |
| 17:51.50 | Arrowmaster | my dad is the only person i know that got the n1h1 vaccine but im fairly certain he qualifies as very high risk |
| 17:51.53 | zenzelezz | er... the Obama one... don't know details |
| 17:52.03 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, there's more than one, and his is pretty much off the menu already. |
| 17:52.16 | zenzelezz | that's not what the news around here claims... peculiar |
| 17:52.52 | Lopeppeppy | the senate bill and the house bill are different on several very key points. Neither of them will pass the other's bill. So... who knows? |
| 17:53.27 | zenzelezz | again, I don't really know, which is why I ask - but the news shows here the other day said he had got a majority of yes-votes in some aspect now |
| 17:53.31 | Arrowmaster | the insurance companys are too powerful anyway, they will make sure neither one gets passed |
| 17:54.34 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: i was young back then, was clinton this close when he tried? |
| 17:54.36 | Lopeppeppy | Yes votes in which, the house or the senate? :) Darlin', there's not any one bill being considered, so no matter how many yes votes there may be, it doesn't matter at this point, it's still in debate. |
| 17:54.46 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 17:57.04 | Lopeppeppy | I don't think he was, Kraps, I don't remember things getting this far. |
| 17:58.24 | Kraps | you dont think they will pass anything peppy? |
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| 18:02.34 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, right now no, they won't. Two bills so completely different? No chance. Maybe if they keep at it and really actually do try, we'll see something. But as voters get more and more angry that nothing's being done, and the politicians see their poll numbers dropping, they'll try to ditch the health care debate as being bad for their political careers. |
| 18:02.59 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.32 | DWSR | I'm getting invalid argument supplied to foreach on line 259: Someone halp please? http://codepad.org/PRLT65ZL |
| 18:04.41 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?userid=220466 |
| 18:04.47 | foxlit | wonders about the wowi username policy |
| 18:04.52 | DWSR | oh, nevermind |
| 18:05.20 | DWSR | Yeah, no, I'm stumped. |
| 18:05.38 | foxlit | var_dump($alts); to see what you're doing. |
| 18:06.06 | DWSR | foxlit: I know what I'm doing, I used the function in a previous Drupal hook. |
| 18:06.15 | DWSR | WAIT. |
| 18:06.17 | DWSR | gd it. |
| 18:06.45 | DWSR | nom nom thanks foxlit. |
| 18:07.00 | DWSR | $alts is null because, yeah. |
| 18:10.21 | DWSR | Ok, now I have no PHP errors and a logic error somewhere. |
| 18:12.06 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: over here it's just "the reform", we apparently don't care *that* much about your politics :-p |
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| 18:15.16 | Lopeppeppy | Half the people over here don't either, which contributes to the problem. |
| 18:15.33 | Lopeppeppy | I'm all about "vote for no incumbents" and get in a new crop who will get things done... but that's just fooling myself. |
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| 18:23.57 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/photos/holiday-gift-guide-stuff-you-dont-want/2556765#2556758 <-kinda want |
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| 18:30.51 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew. |
| 18:31.04 | Lopeppeppy | Do not want. http://www.engadget.com/photos/holiday-gift-guide-stuff-you-dont-want/2556765#2556758 |
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| 19:13.36 | Lunessa | Holy fucking jesus... don't call me for help and then argue with every thing I tell you to do . |
| 19:13.55 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. *hug* Sheeple need to be slow roasted today. |
| 19:13.59 | Duman | heh |
| 19:14.29 | Lunessa | When I tell you to restart the goddamned computer, you fucking restart it. How hard is this to understand? |
| 19:14.52 | Lopeppeppy | "But I don't wanna restart my computer!" < whining like Luke Skywalker does not impress me |
| 19:15.03 | Dagmar | But... but... You're IT! It's your job to be ignored. |
| 19:15.20 | Dagmar | THat's the way it works. You tell people not to stick something in their mouth, and then they do it anyway |
| 19:15.50 | Lopeppeppy | mutters something indistinct about where to stick what and when. It seems to involve improbable anatomy and a nuclear power source. Best not to ask. |
| 19:16.52 | Lunessa | Seriously ... when copy/paste doesn't work and you've been fiddling with your machine all day - restart. |
| 19:17.03 | Dagmar | Pfft. Scan for viruses. |
| 19:17.04 | Lunessa | It's not rocket science. |
| 19:17.20 | Lunessa | New machine. Fresh template install of vista + office |
| 19:17.33 | Dagmar | Was it _ever_ connected to a network? |
| 19:17.35 | Fisker | http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/12/23/nexus-one-full-specs-revealed-invite-only-retail-sales <-this is mean :( |
| 19:17.38 | Lunessa | But he's been fiddling with the trust center |
| 19:17.40 | Dagmar | If yes, then it's probably got viruses already. |
| 19:18.28 | Dagmar | Fisker: No, it's not. |
| 19:18.41 | Dagmar | Fisker: It's called "Professional eBayers GO TO HELL." |
| 19:19.07 | Dagmar | Otherwise no one who really intends to use them would be getting them for all the people seeing it as a gold rush opportunity. |
| 19:19.21 | Dagmar | I mean, you *do* remember the debacle at the iPhone's release |
| 19:19.42 | Dagmar | People were camped out even though there was a one phone per customer rule and mandatory activation. |
| 19:20.13 | Dagmar | Some woman who intended to make a fortune rolls up at a location that had a camera crew, and paid the college kid in the front of the line sixteen THOUSAND dollars to take his place. |
| 19:20.14 | Lunessa | Any "hot |
| 19:20.21 | Lunessa | hot product get this treatment |
| 19:20.30 | Dagmar | She bought one hell of an expensive phone. |
| 19:21.08 | Dagmar | People just don't care anymore if they screw over other people. |
| 19:21.23 | Dagmar | The kid who sold his spot in line managed to get a phone anyway |
| 19:21.25 | Dagmar | :) |
| 19:21.43 | Lopeppeppy | I'd sell my spot for 16K |
| 19:22.17 | Lunessa | For some people, that's an entire year's income. |
| 19:22.18 | Fisker | yeah it was awesome Dagmar |
| 19:22.19 | Dagmar | Oh knowing they weren't going to sell that woman $40,000-worth of phones, you *bet* I'd sell my place in line. |
| 19:22.28 | Fisker | Did you then remember when she got into the store and were told "1 per customer"? |
| 19:22.30 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 19:22.53 | Dagmar | She was basically looking to do nothing but bend a lot of people over and take their money just because she had a lot of capital |
| 19:23.12 | Lunessa | I remember people camping for PSP, PS3, XBox, Harry Potter novels, and all that crap. |
| 19:23.23 | Dagmar | THey pretty much have to now |
| 19:23.32 | Lopeppeppy | The harry potter stuff was evil when I worked at A Major Bookstore. |
| 19:23.35 | Lunessa | Tickle-Me-Elmo. |
| 19:23.38 | Dagmar | ...because otherwise a half dozen people will show up and buy out a store's entire stock to put it on eBay |
| 19:24.14 | Dagmar | It's illegal as hell for a company to do that. |
| 19:24.24 | Fisker | actually find that movei again Dagmar |
| 19:24.26 | Fisker | i want to see it |
| 19:24.31 | Dagmar | The FTC should probably smack a few professional eBayers down to make a statement |
| 19:24.49 | Fisker | Was actually kind of funny btw |
| 19:24.54 | Kraps | camping for WoW |
| 19:24.56 | Dagmar | I thought it was hilarious |
| 19:24.58 | Fisker | there was a chain of hardware stores here going bankrupt |
| 19:25.04 | Fisker | So they were going to sell out their stock |
| 19:25.12 | Lopeppeppy | what laws are pro ebayers breaking? |
| 19:25.22 | Fisker | "oddly" enough, pretty much everywhere all of the tvs and consoles were purchased before the stores official opened |
| 19:25.23 | Fisker | hoho |
| 19:25.28 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: laws of sanity |
| 19:25.28 | Dagmar | Market interference is illegal when a company does it. |
| 19:25.59 | Lopeppeppy | That would be hard to prove, doubt it's worth the time it will require, in most cases. |
| 19:26.06 | Dagmar | It's illegal because pretty much any entity with enough cash can do it |
| 19:26.21 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: No, it's not really all that hard to prove |
| 19:26.44 | Dagmar | It's not worth the FTC's time to bust individuals, but a few token slap-downs wouldn't hurt |
| 19:26.49 | Lopeppeppy | Then I'm sure anyone who cares enough is already doing it. |
| 19:26.54 | Kraps | what so good about final fantasy? |
| 19:27.06 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqUKEhyvFaM <-there it is |
| 19:27.10 | Dagmar | Kraps: It's never all that "final"? |
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| 19:27.47 | Kraps | that made no sense |
| 19:28.15 | Dagmar | Neither does having thirteen "final" fantasies |
| 19:28.20 | Dagmar | ...or moogles. |
| 19:28.47 | Kraps | whats so good about the series? |
| 19:29.19 | Fisker | anyways Dagmar i want it |
| 19:29.54 | Kraps | except for the anime chicks |
| 19:30.45 | Dagmar | Kraps: I've no idea |
| 19:30.59 | cog|work | any fury warriors around? |
| 19:31.02 | Dagmar | It's an "okay" RPG, but the last one had a bit of mandatory grind time in it. |
| 19:31.13 | cog|work | (or any other theorycrafter) |
| 19:32.13 | Kraps | cog|work: i'm fury, not much of a theorycrafter though |
| 19:32.56 | cog|work | trying to figure out if i should upgrade from http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47494 to http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50228 |
| 19:34.24 | cog|work | Lunessa: dual wielding Tyrannical Beheader now =) |
| 19:35.26 | Fisker | raid moar cog|work |
| 19:35.35 | cog|work | Fisker: agreed |
| 19:35.51 | cog|work | w |
| 19:35.51 | cog|work | t |
| 19:35.52 | cog|work | f |
| 19:35.53 | Kraps | cog|work: did you use the comparison tool? |
| 19:35.55 | cog|work | i mean... |
| 19:35.57 | cog|work | Fisker: FU |
| 19:36.24 | cog|work | Kraps: yes, but i'm not sure whether the stat difference would be beneficial or not |
| 19:36.49 | Fisker | np cog|work |
| 19:37.28 | cog|work | -20 Attack, -5 crit, -33 armor pen, +25 agi, +2 sta, +48 haste |
| 19:38.19 | Lunessa | cog|work: Nice axe. |
| 19:38.28 | cog|work | rawr |
| 19:38.34 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 19:38.48 | cog|work | huggles Gryphon |
| 19:38.52 | Gryphon | huggles cog|work |
| 19:39.24 | Kraps | cog|work: check where you're at regarding the arp cap? |
| 19:39.38 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar, Kraps: reports from japan indicate 13 is so linear its boring as hell for the first 20 hours |
| 19:41.57 | amro | Arrowmaster: isn't that pretty much any ff? they're always boring at first |
| 19:42.48 | Fisker | rawr |
| 19:42.53 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
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| 19:44.01 | Fisker | farts on Gryphon |
| 19:44.04 | Gryphon | farts on Fisker |
| 19:44.58 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Gryphon |
| 19:45.02 | Gryphon | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 19:45.09 | cog|work | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 19:45.17 | Lopeppeppy | I like hugs. :) |
| 19:46.07 | Kraps | cog|work: i really like haste |
| 19:47.26 | Kraps | <---- wannabe rogue |
| 19:50.08 | Fisker | i hate haste |
| 19:50.51 | Kraps | cuz you're a procrastinator |
| 19:52.49 | Fisker | i'm your mother |
| 19:53.14 | Kraps | i'm pretty sure you arent |
| 19:54.03 | Kraps | you forgot to add "luke" at the beginning |
| 19:54.41 | Dagmar | If he did that he might have to spell out how you're romantically involved with your own blood relative. |
| 19:55.11 | Dagmar | ...or am I the only one who noticed that bit. |
| 19:56.01 | Kraps | luke and liela? (sp) |
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| 19:56.54 | Dagmar | leia I think |
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| 19:57.13 | Dagmar | Cuz if Darth's Luke's father, then Leia's his sister. |
| 19:57.15 | Dagmar | Oops. |
| 19:57.18 | Kraps | everyone knows that |
| 19:57.30 | Dagmar | But hey, they're royals or something. Aren't they expected to be inbred? |
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| 19:59.28 | Kraps | ibe only seen eps I, II, III |
| 19:59.40 | Kraps | ive* |
| 20:01.13 | Fisker | omg spoiler alert Dagmar |
| 20:01.14 | Fisker | you jerk |
| 20:02.44 | Grum | i think we should make a gearscore v2! |
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| 20:02.53 | Grum | that actually calculates how good the gear is for your spec! |
| 20:03.20 | haste | no, it should calculate how good you are based on your achievement points |
| 20:03.35 | Grum | haha |
| 20:03.38 | Grum | yeah that would be awesome |
| 20:03.41 | Grum | achievementscore! |
| 20:05.59 | Kraps | no, it should calculate how good you are in pve based on your pvp rating! |
| 20:06.13 | ZorbaTHut | no, just have it calculate "how good you are" |
| 20:06.18 | ZorbaTHut | the inner working will be a mystery forever |
| 20:06.21 | ZorbaTHut | (hint: math.random()) |
| 20:06.23 | Grum | hmm but seriously, it shouldnt be hard to make a proper gearscore addon |
| 20:06.32 | Grum | it would just hold a bit much meta info about all items =) |
| 20:06.42 | ZorbaTHut | grum, one problem is "how good the gear is for your spec" is highly nontrivial |
| 20:06.51 | Grum | its better than 'gearscore' |
| 20:07.01 | ZorbaTHut | also, from what I hear, gearscore supposedly does more complicated stuff now than just raw itemlevel weighting |
| 20:07.11 | zenzelezz | I improved GearScore |
| 20:07.14 | Grum | erm yes, enchants, gems |
| 20:07.16 | zenzelezz | return rand(2000,6000); |
| 20:07.37 | ZorbaTHut | according to the developer, it also does stuff like checking for proper stattage and reweighting stuff if the user is using incorrect gear |
| 20:08.15 | Grum | anything based on itemlvl is just made out fail unless you have a manual exception system |
| 20:08.28 | ZorbaTHut | no, itemlvl itself is actually quite a reasonable place to start |
| 20:08.37 | ZorbaTHut | all other things being equal, an ilvl220 item is 10% better than an ilvl200 item |
| 20:10.01 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 20:10.02 | Grum | yeah, but a ilvl239 is better than a 25m ilvl245 item |
| 20:10.15 | ZorbaTHut | actually, that's usually not true. |
| 20:10.23 | Grum | an ilvl245 from 10hc is better than 245 from 25m normal |
| 20:10.24 | Dagmar | I'm with Zorba on that one |
| 20:10.28 | Grum | actually, it is often true |
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| 20:10.45 | Dagmar | About the only regular deviation is the items with set bonuses |
| 20:10.48 | Grum | they are itemized a hell of a lot better than the 'non heroic/hard' versions |
| 20:11.02 | zenzelezz | trinkets |
| 20:11.11 | Dagmar | Grum: The 25m people can always downgrade their badges afaik |
| 20:11.25 | Grum | illustration of the dragonsoul for example, seriously badass item for ilvl200 |
| 20:12.12 | Lunessa | Essence of Gossamer with +111 Stamina and the shield effect = pretty awesome blue iLevel 200 trinket for tanks too. |
| 20:12.30 | Grum | yup |
| 20:12.50 | Grum | those would have to go on an exception list for being 'way more valuable for their itemlvl' |
| 20:13.24 | Grum | but then suddenly it becomes a pain |
| 20:13.28 | ZorbaTHut | the problem is that they're only more valuable in certain situations. they're great burst trinkets, they're crummy mitigation trinkets |
| 20:14.06 | ZorbaTHut | you're essentially walking into this zone where you want to include full dps models for every spec in your UI mod simply because there is no other way to handle things "correctly". I personally feel this is dubious :) |
| 20:14.43 | Grum | well, stat values, required hitamounts for certain specs |
| 20:14.47 | Grum | spec-checking |
| 20:15.00 | Grum | and all of that shit differs per patch obviously |
| 20:15.13 | Grum | 'how close to ideal gemming/enchanting you are' |
| 20:15.25 | Dagmar | The amount of calculation required there is decidedly non-trivial |
| 20:15.29 | ZorbaTHut | "required" is terrible also, many people lose a significant amount of DPS by desperately trying to reach their hit cap |
| 20:15.34 | Grum | Dagmar: not really |
| 20:15.39 | Dagmar | Oh yes, really |
| 20:15.47 | ZorbaTHut | my fury warrior is under hit cap and exp cap and I'd lose a pile of damage by attempting to reach them. |
| 20:15.55 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, I'd say that the amount of calculation is actually a secondary issue |
| 20:15.59 | Dagmar | The same is true for BM hunters a lot of the time |
| 20:16.01 | ZorbaTHut | the amount of *maintenance* required there is backbreaking |
| 20:16.10 | Grum | but you need to do some gruntwork, you need to map values for procs |
| 20:16.24 | Grum | which in itself is insanely hard unless you know all specs |
| 20:16.37 | Grum | this btw is also why gearscore is fail |
| 20:16.48 | Dagmar | With the way things are itemized, you can get a disproportionately larger amount of attack power than hit pretty easily |
| 20:16.48 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50379/?race=2&level=40 |
| 20:16.48 | Grum | at least imho :) do it properly or just dont even bother |
| 20:16.52 | ZorbaTHut | and also depends strongly on the player's other gear |
| 20:17.04 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, here's how I see it |
| 20:17.17 | Dagmar | Install Rawr and let it chew on your gear sometime |
| 20:17.18 | ZorbaTHut | gearscore-with-pure-ilvl: bad, because then you have DKs walking around in cloth because lol higher gearscore. |
| 20:17.40 | ZorbaTHut | gearscore-with-recalculated-ilvl-based-on-role: good, because any differences in gear past this are going to be *vastly* overshadowed by differences in skill. |
| 20:18.01 | ZorbaTHut | gearscore-with-full-dps-model-for-every-class: bad, because it's a thousand times harder to maintain for very little extra value. |
| 20:18.05 | Grum | it is also useful if you can exclude the obvious 'score generating gear' |
| 20:18.06 | Kraps | rawr! |
| 20:18.14 | Grum | like warlocks running around with +heal proc trinkets that are high ilvl |
| 20:18.24 | Grum | or a ilvl245 tank trinket orso |
| 20:18.37 | ZorbaTHut | sure, as I said, that stuff's reasonably simple. it's only hard for trinkets and weird-ranged-slot items |
| 20:18.50 | ZorbaTHut | so you brute-force those, then you just do everything else based on which stats it has |
| 20:18.51 | Grum | yeah |
| 20:19.22 | Grum | what i'd do is categorize these items into different kinds, and then map 'values' for the procs (if you want to go that far) |
| 20:19.29 | ZorbaTHut | don't bother coming up with stat weightings because fundamentally they're statistical noise, and bam, you're done. |
| 20:19.38 | Grum | and then simply set a 'yes that applies to this spec' per spec/class/category, which is a giant pain :) |
| 20:19.43 | Dagmar | Grum: event that is computationally irksome |
| 20:19.44 | ZorbaTHut | I wouldn't. I'd categorize these items into different kinds (there's four kinds) and then just have a nice little checkbox |
| 20:19.47 | Dagmar | s/event/even/; |
| 20:19.56 | Grum | Dagmar: no its manual and trivial |
| 20:19.56 | Dagmar | ...especially with procs. |
| 20:20.01 | Grum | but FUCKLOADS of work |
| 20:20.01 | ZorbaTHut | physdps, magedps, tank, heal. that's literally all you need. |
| 20:20.07 | Dagmar | Grum: Do it once and you'll change your tune |
| 20:20.29 | Dagmar | "FUCKLOADS of work" == "computationally irksome" |
| 20:20.36 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/psychic-fail/ |
| 20:20.37 | Adys | ahahaha |
| 20:20.42 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, a lot of it is automatable. if the word "helpful" shows up, it's heal. if the word "agility" shows up, it's physdps. |
| 20:20.51 | Dagmar | Like, there's a "sort-of-bug" in Rawr at the moment which highlights the proc issue |
| 20:20.51 | ZorbaTHut | if there's tank stats of any kind on it, it's tank. |
| 20:21.12 | Dagmar | If you have both Coren's coaster and Mirror of Truth, Rawr will tell you that you should wear them both. |
| 20:21.20 | Dagmar | Their procs do not stack because they're the exact same effect. |
| 20:21.22 | ZorbaTHut | the vast majority can be automated, the remainder can be dealt with manually, bugs will be reported by users. "fuckloads of work" and "computationally irksome" are completely different ;) |
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| 20:21.53 | ZorbaTHut | sounds like rawr is going to run into trouble with the heroic trinkets also, then |
| 20:21.53 | mikma | [22:18:25] Greed Roll - 100 for [Frozen Orb] by Cyrogen |
| 20:21.55 | mikma | [22:18:26] Greed Roll - 100 for [Gored Hide Legguards] by Cyrogen |
| 20:22.01 | mikma | [22:18:28] Greed Roll - 99 for [Boots of Transformation] by Cyrogen |
| 20:22.03 | mikma | i lol'd |
| 20:22.21 | ZorbaTHut | but seriously that shit ain't hard to deal with. |
| 20:22.22 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Yeah at the moment I'm trying to debug WTF has gone far off the rails with pet damage calculation so I can't even think about suggesting something to include proc information |
| 20:22.27 | ZorbaTHut | just count the buff once |
| 20:22.38 | Dagmar | It's trying to tell me my pets do almost exactly twice as much DPS as they do |
| 20:22.40 | ZorbaTHut | does the user have any of these items that provide this proc? yes/no |
| 20:23.15 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Being that Rawr currently models with no idea which proc something has, it would mean a non-trivial change I think |
| 20:23.23 | Dagmar | It knows what the proc does and that's it |
| 20:23.41 | ZorbaTHut | sure, it'll take tweaking their interfaces a little. |
| 20:24.15 | Dagmar | I keep thinking this pet damage issue should be obvious to spot but so far I'm not finding it |
| 20:24.32 | Avalloc | . |
| 20:24.57 | Dagmar | Although I really woudn't mind if my wolf started handing out 1900 DPS unbuffed. |
| 20:25.34 | Dagmar | It would make a certain glyph which is currently useless the most potent glyph in the game |
| 20:25.54 | Dagmar | Hunters could go stand in the corner like healers do |
| 20:28.30 | Fisker | omg i'm killing you Dagmar |
| 20:29.04 | Dagmar | What? 50% more damage from the glyph, 50% more damage from bestial wrath, and then another attack power buff from Aspect of the Beast? |
| 20:29.06 | cog|work | Kraps: fwiw, that "upgrade" cost me ~200DPS vs heroic target dummy (did 3 battles with each neck doing as best as i could to match the rotation) |
| 20:29.28 | Dagmar | I'd just go into a BG remote control my pet and start eating people. |
| 20:30.55 | Dagmar | Armor rating on 83 bosses is still 13,000 or so isn't it? |
| 20:32.08 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/297050415/ |
| 20:33.10 | zenzelezz | ambition: trying to manually control the VTOL aircraft in ARMA 2 |
| 20:38.44 | Kraps | cog|work: guess nothing beats arp and ap |
| 20:38.54 | cog|work | str beats ap |
| 20:38.58 | cog|work | but yeah |
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| 20:51.21 | Fisker | wtf |
| 20:51.27 | Fisker | chrome is match "har" with "hår" |
| 20:51.28 | Fisker | fail |
| 20:51.41 | Fisker | or the other way around actualy |
| 20:51.46 | Fisker | actually* |
| 20:53.22 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: how would you compress, in lua, an array of up to 10 thousand 32-bit integers using exclusively the ascii table? |
| 20:53.26 | Adys | or anyone really |
| 20:53.43 | ZorbaTHut | adys, are the integers ordered or unordered? |
| 20:53.48 | Adys | unordered |
| 20:53.53 | Xuerian | I haven't had a flu shot in ... 8 years? Then again, I was raised in the country and not in a sanitized cube. |
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| 20:54.00 | Xuerian | scrolls down half the log. |
| 20:54.02 | ZorbaTHut | I'd sort them, then store the first item and the differences. |
| 20:54.22 | Xuerian | sighs, and catches up to the *actual* current conversation. |
| 20:54.34 | ZorbaTHut | then I'd run them through QH's compression routines which isolate all valid tokens (in this case, 123456789,) and LZW what's left. |
| 20:54.54 | ZorbaTHut | if I had a large number of these items, I'd use the version that also precomputes a common-prefix table. :) |
| 20:54.56 | Adys | doesnt lzw use non-ascii characters? |
| 20:55.09 | Adys | they're unique |
| 20:55.22 | ZorbaTHut | it compresses from (dictionary) to (dictionary). you can use an output dictionary of all ASCII characters if you like. |
| 20:56.05 | ZorbaTHut | common prefixes don't just apply to the prefix of the text, it's the prefixes of each item that LZW figures out. You'd probably end up with ,1 ,2 ,3 stored more efficiently, for exmaple - those are likely going to be common substrings. |
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| 20:56.58 | ZorbaTHut | (in case you haven't realized by now, my suggestions here aren't exactly hypothetical ;) ) |
| 20:57.32 | Adys | Yah hence why I was asking you at first :P |
| 20:58.11 | ZorbaTHut | the one problem, which may or may not be an issue, is that the compression process is rather slow |
| 20:58.21 | Adys | doesnt matter |
| 20:58.39 | ZorbaTHut | compressing the whole QH database takes about 20 CPU minutes on a luajit processor |
| 20:59.05 | Adys | oh 20 min |
| 20:59.05 | Ginji | Add more cores! |
| 20:59.09 | Adys | not that kind of doesnt matter |
| 21:00.05 | ZorbaTHut | ginji, quadcore, it uses about 5 minutes realtime ;) |
| 21:00.12 | Adys | wtf is that new quest in searing gorge? |
| 21:00.29 | Adys | with the dark iron pillows |
| 21:00.50 | Fisker | LORE! |
| 21:00.51 | ZorbaTHut | the entire process is more than one CPU day of work |
| 21:01.05 | Fisker | Cataclysm happens due to dark iron pillows |
| 21:01.15 | Fisker | you heard it here first |
| 21:01.56 | zenzelezz | Deathwing awakes because his pillows have been stolen |
| 21:02.10 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 21:02.15 | ZorbaTHut | I would respect blizzard forever if they actually do that |
| 21:02.24 | ZorbaTHut | patch 4.3, Deathwing's Lair |
| 21:02.31 | ZorbaTHut | "WHO STOLE MY PILLOWS?" |
| 21:02.32 | Fisker | i would lol just for the shitstorm on the forums |
| 21:03.06 | ZorbaTHut | the entire end boss fight is pillow-themed |
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| 21:03.21 | ZorbaTHut | Deathwing begins casting Extremely Comfortable Blanket! |
| 21:03.23 | zenzelezz | The mortal infidels my lord. They have invaded your sanctum and seek to steal your pillows. |
| 21:03.27 | zenzelezz | *these |
| 21:03.31 | ZorbaTHut | Get out of Cloud of Goose Down! |
| 21:03.57 | Lunessa | OMG - They drop 400-thread count Egyptian Cotton Sheets! |
| 21:03.58 | ZorbaTHut | at the end he casts a titanic spell to put all of Azeroth to sleep, segueing neatly into the Emerald Dream expansion. |
| 21:04.02 | zenzelezz | Deep Slumber, run to the side! |
| 21:04.11 | ZorbaTHut | man I should write plot for Blizzard, this is gold' |
| 21:04.34 | Lunessa | Zorba, Run to the Center. Catch the Pillow Case. Ping your map! |
| 21:04.51 | zenzelezz | many moths, left side |
| 21:05.10 | Lunessa | Potion of Fabric Softener! |
| 21:05.21 | ZorbaTHut | we need more blankets! more blankets! |
| 21:05.35 | Lunessa | NO, NO COMFORTERS! WTF WAS THAT SHIT? |
| 21:05.43 | ZorbaTHut | "yeah, we were doing great until the tank got one-shot. It turned out he'd forgotten his Lint Protection Flask." |
| 21:06.27 | Adys | has anyone in this channel ever seen a text editor able to handle lines longer than ~2000 characters? |
| 21:06.38 | Adys | without freezing for 2 hours |
| 21:07.01 | zenzelezz | don't recall trying |
| 21:07.55 | Adys | and nobody dare say vim/nano |
| 21:08.03 | ZorbaTHut | adys, emacs, I believe |
| 21:08.07 | Yssaril | Adys: 2000? (notpad++ can do that) |
| 21:08.17 | Yssaril | *notepad++ |
| 21:08.33 | Fisker | http://www.p2pcongestionsettlement.com/ <-YES FREE $16! |
| 21:08.43 | Fisker | comcast users hit the jackpot! |
| 21:08.58 | Adys | no ive used np++ and np2 they both suck |
| 21:09.05 | Adys | and when i say 2000, I mean scaling in general |
| 21:09.09 | Arrowmaster | no some lawyers hit the jackpot |
| 21:09.20 | Adys | im trying 60000 chars here kate is shitting blood |
| 21:09.24 | Arrowmaster | lua> 16000000/3 |
| 21:09.25 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 5333333.3333333 |
| 21:09.39 | Arrowmaster | $5.3 million probably for the lawyers |
| 21:09.46 | Fisker | ^^ |
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| 21:10.25 | Fisker | It was funny when i read that the $16 million = 4 hours of revenue for comcast |
| 21:10.43 | Adys | oh |
| 21:10.44 | Adys | OH |
| 21:10.45 | Adys | HAHA |
| 21:11.17 | Adys | I just found a way to get shittons of protected values right from an addon |
| 21:11.19 | Fisker | injects Adys with a mild chillaxitive |
| 21:11.36 | zenzelezz | protected values? |
| 21:11.52 | Adys | yes |
| 21:12.11 | zenzelezz | such as? |
| 21:12.11 | Adys | well |
| 21:12.16 | Fisker | i hope it includes jumping into a river |
| 21:12.17 | Adys | you could already get this stuff from an addon |
| 21:12.28 | Adys | but you'd have to tooltip scan, shit out a bunch of hacks and events |
| 21:12.59 | Fisker | and you wouldn't scan a tooltip |
| 21:13.14 | zenzelezz | again, what sort of values are we talking about? |
| 21:13.18 | Lunessa | Fisker: As a member of the class represented by that suit, $16 off my bill is a SLAP IN THE FACE |
| 21:13.45 | Fisker | slaps Lunessa around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:13.49 | Fisker | you're welcome |
| 21:14.11 | Lunessa | drops Fisker in the wood-chipper. |
| 21:14.19 | Adys | zenzelezz: world values |
| 21:14.32 | Adys | eg zeppelin/boat timers |
| 21:14.39 | zenzelezz | oh, I see |
| 21:14.54 | Adys | wintergrasp statistics |
| 21:14.55 | Adys | etc |
| 21:19.18 | Adys | Someone tells me what the odds are to have in a unique batch of 10000 randint 1-50000 these numbers following each other at the beginning: 9, 38231, 15, 16, 21, 27, 33, 38, 32807, 43 |
| 21:19.43 | Adys | goes on for around 20 ints more |
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| 21:20.20 | Dagmar | 1:(10000^10) at least |
| 21:20.26 | Dagmar | Been awhile |
| 21:20.39 | Dagmar | s/10000/50000/; |
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| 21:25.40 | Ginji | Adys: 100% provided you get the right seed |
| 21:26.19 | Dagmar | Wow. NASA really is making an MMO. |
| 21:26.34 | Dagmar | I wonder how many people from the original EQ team they picked up for that. |
| 21:26.51 | Ginji | "To the stars! And beyond!" |
| 21:26.57 | Dagmar | ...cuz then it would be totally normal to put someone's character in a small room for 48 hours without allowing them to leave |
| 21:29.56 | Arrowmaster | i wonder what all it will have, some of that nasa stuff is pretty cool |
| 21:30.26 | Arrowmaster | i almost landed a space shuttle in a simulator without any HUD or ground indicator lights |
| 21:32.08 | zenzelezz | your first 300 days will be spent in suspended sleep on your way to Mars |
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| 21:34.16 | Dagmar | Then you will be level 1, with no weapons. |
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| 21:35.05 | Dagmar | Your spacesuit will be made of "shiny cloth". |
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| 21:35.36 | Dagmar | Your opponent, should you find one, will be a super-strong alien whose very blood is both a highly corrosive acid, and a poison. |
| 21:35.42 | Dagmar | Have fun! |
| 21:35.56 | Dagmar | If you kill five of them you win a dagger. |
| 21:36.03 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 21:36.23 | Lunessa | Dagmar: No, It'll be a large rat-shaped creature who will ask you to bend over and grab your knees. |
| 21:36.32 | Dagmar | I have visions of this thing going about as well as WWII online |
| 21:37.10 | Duman | has cake |
| 21:37.26 | Dagmar | The one where they took authenticity so seriously that unless you did some serious websearching to find the military operations manual for a tank, you were looking at spending twenty minutes clicking on things just to figure out how to start the engine. |
| 21:37.35 | Dagmar | ...and you were just buggered if you wanted to fly a bomber. |
| 21:37.59 | Dagmar | Their engineers just naturally assumed that someone allowed to fly one would know better than to release the payload while sitting still. |
| 21:39.45 | Dagmar | Still, I liked it better than Battlefield's balsawood flyers. |
| 21:41.44 | cog|work | Duman: pie > cake |
| 21:41.52 | Duman | maybe |
| 21:42.05 | Duman | but this is chocolate w/ a slightly peppermint white icing |
| 21:42.18 | cog|work | barfs |
| 21:42.20 | Duman | LOL |
| 21:42.26 | cog|work | for some reason i can't stand mint+chocolate |
| 21:42.31 | Duman | ahh, I like it :) |
| 21:42.42 | cog|work | except for mint chocolate ice cream, but that's probably 'cause the cold numbs my tastebuds |
| 21:43.25 | cog|work | i want to like it... i mean, i miss out on peppermint patties, hot chocolate with peppermint schnapps, etc. |
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| 21:52.10 | Kraps | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/contests/risetopower/index.xml |
| 21:54.26 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: with a bit of diffencoding and a simple algo Im down from 55000 characters to 17000 |
| 21:54.42 | Adys | lzma manages to reduce that to 6800 non-ascii characters |
| 21:54.52 | Adys | how far do you think I can go? |
| 21:54.52 | ZorbaTHut | adys, nice :) |
| 21:55.34 | ZorbaTHut | dunno. depends on the characteristics of your data. |
| 21:57.22 | Kraps | if people would stop dropping out of oculus they wouldnt get it randomly so often |
| 21:57.26 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: this is what I have without any other compression: http://dpaste.com/137186/ |
| 21:57.57 | zenzelezz | out of curiosity, what are you compressing and why? |
| 21:58.06 | Dagmar | Kraps: Oddly, I seem to get VH every day |
| 21:58.06 | ZorbaTHut | is that your input, or is that after some tricks? |
| 21:58.18 | Dagmar | ...and I've done VH quite a lot simply because it's handy |
| 21:58.26 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: thats after a simple algo, and Im not sure why anymore it was on my todo |
| 21:58.36 | Adys | i think it was for quests |
| 21:58.52 | Adys | or maybe some other shit, its wow related either way |
| 22:02.03 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: I think a much more optimal way would be to sort it entirely in a (+1,+1,+1,+1,+1...+2,+2,+2,+2...+3,+3,+3...) way |
| 22:02.45 | Adys | and store the streams |
| 22:02.53 | Adys | or, whatever you call it really |
| 22:03.16 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, I'm not quite sure what you mean |
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| 22:04.01 | Adys | right now, this base itself on a base key, where "x," means +x |
| 22:05.26 | Adys | theres a small example of "streams" (what would you call it?); if value == lastValue+1, add to a base key. when value != lastValue+1, output "k." where k is the key, and reset it |
| 22:06.05 | Adys | since this is a small and unique range (1-50000), storing the sorted differences that way would likely be a lot more efficient |
| 22:07.20 | Adys | and you'd go from, say... 1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3 to 1|5.2|4.3|4 |
| 22:07.55 | ZorbaTHut | if your data is sufficiently dense, then yeah |
| 22:08.19 | Adys | well if its quests its gonna be what, 1-36000? |
| 22:08.56 | WobWork | Kraps: hm, so you suggest people kill the first boss of occulus.. -then- drop? =) |
| 22:08.58 | ZorbaTHut | or sufficiently patterned, I suppose |
| 22:09.03 | Adys | yeah |
| 22:09.07 | ZorbaTHut | I'm having trouble imagining a case where you'd ever get 3,3,3,3,3 for example |
| 22:09.13 | Kraps | WobWork: haha |
| 22:09.24 | WobWork | yeah, randomisation demands it'd probably be 9,9,9,9,9,9 |
| 22:09.25 | ZorbaTHut | also there are absolutely not 36,000 quests in the game, the ID space is pretty loose :) |
| 22:09.37 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: thats because the data is not sorted |
| 22:10.16 | Adys | if you have done quests 159 and 162, quests 2015 and 2018, 4510 and 4513 and 25412 and 25415 |
| 22:10.21 | Adys | thats 3,3,3,3,3 :P |
| 22:10.28 | WobWork | wouldn't information like 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3 be pretty useless if sorted? |
| 22:10.39 | ZorbaTHut | but then how do you extract the original data? |
| 22:10.56 | Adys | between each key you output the difference |
| 22:11.35 | WobWork | corruption would be rife =\ |
| 22:11.59 | ZorbaTHut | right but then we're just storing all kinds of weird data. like, 159,3,2015,3,4510,3,25412,3 -- is this what you store? or something even stranger? |
| 22:12.28 | ZorbaTHut | I'm basically having trouble imagining how "the player has completed five sets of quests within 3 of each other" is useful without spending a ton more bytes on describing which quests. |
| 22:12.45 | WobWork | I guess if you extract the numbers that are within 10 digits of the previous... |
| 22:13.11 | WobWork | making the assumption that a single digit will never be a marker information, only additive |
| 22:13.24 | WobWork | (or two digits even) |
| 22:14.06 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: I think the main problem is more of sorting the original array in the most optimal way to achieve that result |
| 22:14.51 | Kraps | machinarium is interesting |
| 22:14.57 | WobWork | Kraps: tis, isn't it? |
| 22:15.13 | Adys | you can describe a whole bunch of operations with the character set you have |
| 22:15.34 | Adys | and keep 0-9a-zA-Z for numbers |
| 22:17.44 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: to think of it, another, even more efficient way would be to have a prebuilt sorted continuous table with most often completed quests on top |
| 22:17.53 | Adys | and translate the ids from there |
| 22:18.46 | Dagmar | Kraps: I got that one. |
| 22:18.57 | Dagmar | I *don't* let my gf see me play it--or even know I have it. |
| 22:19.23 | zenzelezz | why is that? |
| 22:19.26 | Dagmar | She struggled through the demo. I r not stoopid. |
| 22:20.28 | ZorbaTHut | adys, well, you could look up the bz2 algorithm, which sort of does that |
| 22:20.28 | ZorbaTHut | but honestly once you're down to 6k you don't need to care a lot more |
| 22:20.50 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect any savings from here will be pretty incremental. |
| 22:21.08 | Dagmar | This is also assuming you own a soldering pencil, solder, and actually use them on a regular basis. |
| 22:21.10 | Dagmar | Twrong chan |
| 22:21.56 | zenzelezz | always solder your compression algorithms |
| 22:25.34 | Dagmar | Nah, it was in response to yet another guy deciding he could build an IR reciever himself for cheaper, if he built 4-5 of them. |
| 22:25.46 | Dagmar | There were just so many things wrong with that idea... |
| 22:28.59 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: I mainly want to go under 10k without too much effort |
| 22:29.04 | Adys | Im down to 14k now |
| 22:29.23 | ZorbaTHut | why the ascii restriction, btw? |
| 22:29.53 | Adys | savedvars? |
| 22:30.00 | ZorbaTHut | savedvars is binary-safe |
| 22:30.14 | Polarina | SavedVariables can contain strings, binary safely. |
| 22:30.15 | Adys | then, i dunno, fun? |
| 22:30.21 | ZorbaTHut | alright :) |
| 22:30.39 | Adys | This holiday season, we introduced the Intaki Syndicate Zephyr, a limited edition exploration ship that has been given to all active subscription accounts in EVE Online. Due to the overwhelming positive response from the players, we are extending the gift to all current trial accounts that subscribe to EVE Online prior to January 6th. After that date, it will no longer be distributed. Screenshots and more information on the Zephyr can be found here. |
| 22:30.40 | Adys | Dammit. |
| 22:31.12 | Adys | OCD Exploits should be banned by governments |
| 22:32.12 | zenzelezz | OCD as in the disorder? |
| 22:32.21 | Adys | no that should be CDO |
| 22:32.34 | zenzelezz | in French I suppose |
| 22:32.36 | Polarina | Adys: :D |
| 22:32.44 | zenzelezz | what does OCD mean in this case then? |
| 22:32.46 | Adys | zenzelezz: way to miss the point |
| 22:32.50 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 22:32.51 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 22:33.14 | Dagmar | So am I mistaken or is that thing just a easily shot-down target for griefers? |
| 22:33.14 | zenzelezz | this may come as a surprise, but I'm not that bright :-p |
| 22:33.43 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, well, the supply is currently huge. |
| 22:33.47 | Adys | zenzelezz: its ok, many people in this channel are here to support you |
| 22:33.55 | ZorbaTHut | so you can just buy another one if you like. |
| 22:35.23 | ZorbaTHut | looks like it's got some uses for exploration - it'll be ignored by enemy NPCs. So, definitely a useful ship. |
| 22:36.58 | Dagmar | Right so then, explain to me why any civilization advanced enough to create starfaring ships can't figure out how to build a computer smart enough to reasonably automate the process of finding stuff? |
| 22:37.13 | Dagmar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYfTA00Idg <-- botters would have this sorted permanently in days. |
| 22:38.08 | Adys | Dagmar: qft :/ |
| 22:39.42 | Dagmar | I think the game is pretty, but I'm really not wanting to get tangled up in something that requires a twelve credit-hour course in before the fun starts |
| 22:40.00 | Dagmar | WoW on the other hand... Equip weapon, wait no that's already done. Click mob to smack it. Instant yay |
| 22:40.36 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, never try Eve |
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| 22:40.45 | Dagmar | I did. |
| 22:41.06 | Dagmar | I actually plugged away at it for three hours before saying "Wait, I already have a job. And it pays real money" |
| 22:41.13 | ZorbaTHut | eve is basically the anti-WoW in many ways. It's a fantastic game and quite well-designed (despite the best efforts of CCP, ho ho, burrrrn) but it is by no means for everyone. |
| 22:41.41 | Dagmar | Hook up real space probes to that interface and I'll be all over it |
| 22:43.50 | zenzelezz | I tried EVE out once last year... couldn't seem to figure out enough to make it fun |
| 22:44.45 | Dagmar | Yeah, same problem I had |
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| 22:45.02 | ZorbaTHut | eve is fundamentally a social game. the basic gameplay is pretty terrible - the game's about building megacorporation and either dominating markets or conquering space |
| 22:45.12 | Dagmar | The learning curve appears to be about like being on the wrong side of Ayers Rock |
| 22:45.26 | ZorbaTHut | it's basically a game that believes strongly in Conan's what-is-best-in-life. |
| 22:45.34 | ZorbaTHut | and yes the learning curve is a wall. |
| 22:45.47 | Polarina | EVE's learning curve's fun, but after you've learned it, it's no fun. :( |
| 22:45.57 | Polarina | s/learned/learnt/ |
| 22:46.01 | ZorbaTHut | polarina, that's the point where you join a group doing largescale warfare |
| 22:46.06 | ZorbaTHut | or where you try to manipulate the market for fun and profit |
| 22:46.13 | Dagmar | ...or you just break it's economy. |
| 22:47.10 | ZorbaTHut | if you can manage that, in a manner that makes you ridiculously wealthy, yes :) |
| 22:47.16 | ZorbaTHut | scams can also be fun. |
| 22:47.48 | Torhal | When Spam e-mail becomes real: http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/the-honest-10000-spam/ |
| 22:47.52 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/psychic-fail/ |
| 22:49.48 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Back in the 90's when those sorts of games were played over store-and-forward networks, whether or not I made a profit never really figured into it |
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| 22:50.45 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, eve's economy is well-designed enough that it's pretty much impossible to entirely break |
| 22:50.51 | ZorbaTHut | but yes, if you can manage it, it can be fun |
| 22:51.11 | Dagmar | "Hmm... part of my fleet came back to me from the last campaign we ran. *makes a note* That'll come in handy later" |
| 22:52.06 | Aelobin | hmmm where to lvl at 22 as alliance? |
| 22:52.12 | Aelobin | ashenvale? |
| 22:52.39 | Dagmar | If you're a limp-eared elf, sure |
| 22:52.50 | Dagmar | For anyone else it'll be on the other continent |
| 22:52.51 | zenzelezz | Wetlands? Can't recall exactly anymore |
| 22:52.52 | Polarina | Aelobin: Dungeons! |
| 22:53.07 | Aelobin | i have been, but they take a while :P |
| 22:53.07 | zenzelezz | I usually just started in the starting zone, then kept going until I ran out of quests and moved on to the adjacent zone |
| 22:53.10 | Dagmar | Duskwood, possibly Loch Modan |
| 22:53.16 | Aelobin | ty |
| 22:53.35 | Aelobin | had a druid earlier that signed up for tanking and didnt realise he had bear form |
| 22:53.45 | Dagmar | *shudder* |
| 22:54.16 | zenzelezz | should have linked him to Alamo's druid guide, if that's still around |
| 22:54.17 | Dagmar | Well, at least he wasn't level 80 |
| 22:54.36 | Dagmar | We had a DK a few nights ago I almost asked how much he paid for the toon for |
| 22:54.45 | Dagmar | He _wasn't_ the tank, but kept taunting. |
| 22:55.58 | Dagmar | I didn't get terribly suspicious about it until I saw Sindragosa just turning back and forth and all around |
| 22:56.20 | Aelobin | lol |
| 22:56.35 | Aelobin | a bit like an 80 we had in AB just now, "how do i leave a bg?" |
| 22:56.49 | Dagmar | Hmm... |
| 22:56.49 | Aelobin | i wasn't gonna tell him if it wasn't for the fact we were loosing |
| 22:56.51 | Dagmar | That's a tough one. |
| 22:57.00 | zenzelezz | Sindragosa? Is she available now? |
| 22:57.11 | Dagmar | If you tell people in there that their dads are gey they can't kick you from it |
| 22:57.26 | Aelobin | cyanigosa |
| 22:57.33 | Dagmar | Cyanigosa |
| 22:57.36 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 22:57.40 | Dagmar | Yeah that sounds right. Big pale blue dragon in VH. |
| 22:57.43 | Dagmar | <-- hunter |
| 22:57.49 | Dagmar | <-- effectively nearsighted. |
| 22:57.50 | zenzelezz | that would be the one, yeah |
| 22:58.11 | Aelobin | ive been having pretty decent pugs at 80 for hcs |
| 22:58.19 | Aelobin | only HoR which can go messy |
| 22:58.25 | Dagmar | Strip down to your RP gear before you join |
| 22:58.30 | Aelobin | lal |
| 22:58.34 | Dagmar | THen re-gear once you're inside |
| 22:58.34 | zenzelezz | most of the time I have good PUGs... but when they're bad, they're *very* bad |
| 22:58.43 | Aelobin | buy the starting gear frmo goldshire :P |
| 22:59.01 | Dagmar | "How this single bachelor learned how to rock the meters with one simple step!" |
| 23:00.39 | Lunessa | Ciao tutti. |
| 23:01.42 | Dagmar | Some smartass wound up in our group a few nights ago, saying mostly "I can't heal very well" and "My heals aren't very big" |
| 23:01.55 | Dagmar | I figured it didn't matter much since we could have three-manned the place |
| 23:02.07 | Dagmar | I finally mouse over the dude. Gearscore is reporting ~4900 |
| 23:02.12 | Dagmar | Smart ass. heh |
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| 23:02.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: Gearscore lol |
| 23:02.21 | DWSR | You're bad |
| 23:02.36 | Dagmar | DWSR: It *does* let you know if someone's "just" hit 80 |
| 23:02.45 | DWSR | Dagmar: /inspect does too |
| 23:02.52 | Dagmar | After I saw that I actually looked at his gear |
| 23:03.05 | Dagmar | He could have healted that heroic with a drinking bird |
| 23:03.47 | ZorbaTHut | I've got a UI mod that literally just tells me the average ilvl. usually enough, unless someone's vastly underperformance and it turns out it's a DK wearing spellpower purples or something |
| 23:03.56 | Dagmar | I definitely feel that trying to use gearscore to set hard minimums for something is just retarded |
| 23:04.12 | Dagmar | ...but it'll let you know if someone's gear is just wildly off the mark |
| 23:04.42 | Dagmar | I've seen it show me a gs of 1800 |
| 23:04.56 | Aelobin | ive been gearing up dps gear recently as a dk, but i can't ever see myself being needed as anything but a tank <_> |
| 23:04.59 | Dagmar | "Dude. Put the rest of your armor back on" |
| 23:05.33 | ZorbaTHut | would've helped in an ICC25 I did a week ago, one tank showed up literally in blues and with a BC tanking trinket |
| 23:05.40 | ZorbaTHut | nobody thought to inspect him until after the second wipe |
| 23:05.56 | Dagmar | Yeah you notice those sorts of things right off the bat when the number is very low |
| 23:05.57 | Dagmar | for _that_ it's useful |
| 23:06.27 | zenzelezz | ZorbaTHut: which trinket? |
| 23:08.01 | ZorbaTHut | commendation of kael'thas, I believe |
| 23:08.15 | zenzelezz | that the dodge when low health thing? |
| 23:08.26 | ZorbaTHut | yeah |
| 23:08.36 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, it's a pretty sweet tanking trinket for BC, but it's not what you should be wearing into ICC. |
| 23:08.45 | Shadowed | Dagmar: You do know that the entire theory of GearScore is still flawed right |
| 23:08.53 | Shadowed | you don't need a specific GS, an average ilvl would have told you that |
| 23:09.21 | Shadowed | GS is basically just average ilvl * 22 but with 10 times as much complexity |
| 23:09.21 | Aelobin | avg ilvl wouldnt tell you enchanting/gem details though would it? |
| 23:09.26 | Aelobin | or do no gearscore things do that? |
| 23:09.27 | Shadowed | Neither would GearScore |
| 23:09.33 | Shadowed | SexyGroup will tell you that once we finish it |
| 23:09.36 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, average ilvl isn't really sufficient, and modern gearscore is more complicated than that now. I believe it supposedly does handle enchants and gems. |
| 23:09.41 | Aelobin | when will you finish it? :D |
| 23:09.48 | Shadowed | Antiarc's been a bit busy |
| 23:10.00 | Dagmar | Shadowed: I am pretty sure I've made it clear that GS is pretty useless for everything but the most coarse of measurements |
| 23:10.02 | Shadowed | Last I looked, it's only 3.1 GearScore that handles it, and the GearScore handling is based on fairly complex checks |
| 23:10.20 | Shadowed | and given how bad the author is programming, I don't really trust him to come up with accurate enchant or gem checks |
| 23:10.35 | Dagmar | it doesn't even notice enchants from what I can tell |
| 23:10.45 | Shadowed | 3.0.x doesn't, but 3.1 is supposed to |
| 23:10.47 | Dagmar | Possibly gems as well. I wasn't watching it that closely to see |
| 23:11.48 | Shadowed | The enchant/gem stuff last I looked thought is more based around "X Mage needs 300 hit, they only have 250" |
| 23:12.02 | Aelobin | is there anywhere you can see exactly how changes in ilvl change how many stats the item can have? |
| 23:12.37 | Shadowed | There's some stuff on EJ, but there is no hard info if I recall |
| 23:12.45 | Aelobin | oki |
| 23:13.10 | Torhal | I wrote GearGauge because GearScore was so bad, which is really a terrible reason to write anything if you're not actually going to use it. :D |
| 23:13.38 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, how are you calculating your score? |
| 23:13.47 | Aelobin | ive always wanted to write something like that but the tooltip scanning deters me :P |
| 23:13.57 | Shadowed | The scores are just item level, the players score is calculated using the average item level with modifiers for quality, epic is 100%, blue 95%, green 90% and so on, Dungeons are calculated using the lowest item level dropped with a 87% modifier. |
| 23:14.39 | Shadowed | but the scores aren't the focus on it, the focus is based on quickly checking to see if your tank is doing something stupid like gemming INT, missing a socket or an enchant |
| 23:15.01 | Shadowed | http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexygroup/ has the score/general info |
| 23:16.29 | ZorbaTHut | I hope you're going to handle meta requirements properly. and also allow tuskarr's vitality as a good enchant for every spec without movement speed increases ;) |
| 23:21.04 | Dagmar | lol |
| 23:25.37 | Fisker | Actually i think getting kicked from the guild wasn't that bad afterall |
| 23:25.42 | Fisker | They just updated to vb4 |
| 23:26.02 | Fisker | And some of the girls in the guild made their own blog with like 5 blog entries about sex, romance and relationships |
| 23:26.54 | Dagmar | Like raiders have any of those |
| 23:27.48 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 23:29.11 | Ginji | Isn't sex that thing you do alone in the dark while looking at your screen? |
| 23:29.23 | Dagmar | No. That's called "cutting yourslef" |
| 23:29.29 | Ginji | Ohhhh |
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| 23:30.18 | Ginji | And as far as romance goes, I've seen enough ERP for a lifetime |
| 23:30.40 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
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| 23:47.08 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, I seem to be frequently using functioncall_by_table{blah = whatever} conventions in my non-performance-intensive code |
| 23:47.58 | cbreak | for what reason? |
| 23:48.14 | cbreak | does it have any advantage besides syntax? |
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| 23:53.15 | ZorbaTHut | syntax is sufficient :) |
| 23:53.26 | ZorbaTHut | it lets me do tagged/optional/nonpositional parameters, which is sometimes convenient |
| 23:54.34 | _rane | sigh, combat log breaking after every other arena game and addons stop working |
| 23:58.06 | Lopeppeppy | You were asking about that last week _rane, did you not figure out yet what the problem is? |
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| 23:58.59 | mascondante | is there a slash command to abandon a quest? my abandon button on my quest log is broken |
| 23:59.29 | Dagmar | Not one that I've ever seen |
