| 00:00.10 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, they added a new quest in the searing gorge in 3.3 |
| 00:00.14 | ZorbaTHut | I have no idea why |
| 00:03.25 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Kill_%27Em_With_Sleep_Deprivation |
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| 00:03.46 | kd3 | judging by the IDs they've been in the game since the beginning, maybe they got commented out originally and didn't get uncommented until 3.3 |
| 00:05.55 | kd3 | but hey, free TB rep |
| 00:16.25 | bleeter | maybe revivng TB for Cata |
| 00:16.52 | bleeter | could almost make sense... TB rep's been very ignored in all the old world rep-fixing along the way |
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| 00:20.33 | Greywolf6590 | hi |
| 00:21.00 | cogwheel | hello |
| 00:22.37 | Greywolf6590 | need some lua advice hehe... for my addon I'm getting around the dysfunctional "SPELL_AURA_APPLIED" not showing up in the combat log, but relying on UNIT_AURA event, and then looping through the list of buffs to see if, for example, unitbuff "missile barrage" procs |
| 00:23.12 | Greywolf6590 | And it works... but... it works like crazy. I have it play a sound file when it procs, and when missile barrage procs it'll spam me with constant sounds until it wears off or is used |
| 00:24.22 | Greywolf6590 | oddly tho, buffs like warlock's backlash, will only cause it to play once, (or sometimes double back to back, whcih is acceptable) |
| 00:24.41 | Greywolf6590 | anyone think they might be able to help? |
| 00:24.48 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.06 | Dagmar | Segui seems to be able to handle stuff like that fine, although I think it's RNG usage is a little flawed |
| 00:25.35 | Dagmar | I've got like fifteen triggers set up, and in a given fight it seems like it just decides everything hits once in awhile |
| 00:26.01 | Greywolf6590 | weird... what sort of triggers do you have for it? |
| 00:26.12 | Dagmar | Stuff like Kill Command, Kill Shot |
| 00:26.16 | Dagmar | Just RP snark basically |
| 00:26.25 | Dagmar | ALl on a 5% or lower chance |
| 00:26.42 | Dagmar | But it can do actions on channel start, stop, begin and end cast |
| 00:26.48 | Dagmar | ...and when procs hit I think |
| 00:26.54 | Greywolf6590 | hmm |
| 00:27.37 | Dagmar | Oh, and every use of the trap on a stick, since people can't see it |
| 00:27.39 | Greywolf6590 | I'll check that out, if I can't fix this pos |
| 00:29.07 | Greywolf6590 | I think I know the problem though... it checks it every time anyone gains a buff, I need to somehow use the information from the UNIT_AURA event to restrict it to when I only gain a buff. |
| 00:29.25 | Dagmar | Sounds like it |
| 00:29.27 | Greywolf6590 | but idk how to do it heh |
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| 00:38.25 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.49 | bleeter | whoops lol |
| 00:38.59 | bleeter | slaps his pastebuffer 'n screen(1) |
| 00:43.10 | Thunder_Child | slaps bleeter |
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| 00:51.53 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.48 | Shirik | bleeter slow |
| 01:01.52 | Shirik | linked that yesterday! |
| 01:02.06 | Shirik | Anyway, here's a fun question |
| 01:02.16 | Shirik | testconstanttreenode.h(111): Error: Expected (ctn10.Compute() + (0.25 * ctn10.Compute()) == test1->Compute()) up to 0.0000001 (0.0000), found (12.5000 != 12.4998) |
| 01:02.19 | Shirik | Bug or not bug? |
| 01:04.41 | ZorbaTHut | definitely a bug. now, whether it's a bug in the tester or the thing it's trying to test, that I do not know. |
| 01:04.53 | Shirik | not enough information given for that :) |
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| 01:17.09 | Shirik | mmm found it |
| 01:17.24 | Shirik | It's a classic case of "The customer never knows what he wants" |
| 01:17.39 | Shirik | In one place I said random numbers are on the interval [0,1) and in another I said they were on the interval [0,1] |
| 01:17.52 | Shirik | Problem is, I don't really know what I want :/ |
| 01:18.11 | Polarina | 1) ? |
| 01:18.43 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:18.49 | Polarina | What does that mean? |
| 01:18.50 | kd3 | up to but not including 1 |
| 01:18.55 | Polarina | Oh. |
| 01:19.01 | Polarina | You definitely want the latter. |
| 01:19.24 | Shirik | how do you know :P |
| 01:19.38 | Polarina | Because I don't see how getting 1 will cause any problems. |
| 01:20.11 | Shirik | Well, take this example |
| 01:20.28 | Shirik | 1 + (int)(10 * rand()) |
| 01:20.45 | Shirik | If it goes up to 1, that's 1-11. If it goes up to, but not including 1, that goes 1-10 |
| 01:21.09 | Polarina | Shouldn't be a problem. |
| 01:21.35 | Shirik | You telling me if I tell someone to roll a 10 sided dice and they roll a 11, that's ok? |
| 01:22.05 | Polarina | No, but in case for 0 to 1, I don't see any practical uses that won't handle a 1 properly. |
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| 01:22.14 | Shirik | I just gave you one |
| 01:22.21 | Polarina | 0 to 1! |
| 01:22.26 | Polarina | Not 1 to 10. |
| 01:23.02 | Legorol | but you get any other interval by multiplying up a 0-1 random generator |
| 01:23.12 | Legorol | that's how almost all generators work on arbitrary intervals |
| 01:24.57 | Polarina | 0..x = x * rand() where rand returns [0..1] |
| 01:25.03 | Polarina | Not a problem. |
| 01:25.25 | Shirik | incorrect, assuming 0..x is an integer |
| 01:25.26 | foxlit | Now assume you want an integer. |
| 01:27.10 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, conform to your language's standards |
| 01:27.22 | ZorbaTHut | in C++, [0..1). in Lua, [0..1]. |
| 01:27.32 | ZorbaTHut | (although honestly I feel like [0..1) is generally more useful :P) |
| 01:27.36 | Shirik | so do I |
| 01:27.45 | foxlit | Ew, notation. |
| 01:27.46 | Shirik | except for the particular instance I have here, I need [0..1] |
| 01:27.49 | foxlit | [0, 1[ |
| 01:27.51 | Shirik | [0,1] |
| 01:27.55 | Shirik | no screw [ |
| 01:28.03 | Shirik | anyway, [0,1], which is why that unit test failed |
| 01:28.14 | Shirik | so I'm just going to make two functions because I will surely need [0,1) later |
| 01:28.48 | foxlit | % 10, np |
| 01:30.49 | Shirik | foxlit? |
| 01:31.16 | foxlit | 1 + (((int)(10 * rand())) % 10) |
| 01:31.28 | foxlit | And then you don't care what properties your rand() has. |
| 01:32.08 | foxlit | [Yes, that makes 0 more likely. No, the difference should not be significant unless you have a problem to begin with] |
| 01:32.21 | Shirik | #define rand(a, b) (a + (int)((b-a) * (T::rand() / (RAND_MAX+1)))) |
| 01:32.25 | Shirik | is my rand function |
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| 01:32.38 | Shirik | where T::rand() gives a pseudorandom number on the interval [0, RAND_MAX] |
| 01:32.46 | Shirik | as defined by C++ |
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| 01:34.18 | foxlit | Totally did not expect that. |
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| 01:35.57 | AbsolutRayne | In roughly 10 hours, ill be waking up at 4:30am to leave for the damn Airport |
| 01:36.24 | theorbtwo | AbsolutRayne: Visiting family for xmas? |
| 01:36.37 | AbsolutRayne | Yeah, the wife and I are going to New Jersey |
| 01:37.01 | theorbtwo | New Jersey, eh? Lucky! |
| 01:37.08 | theorbtwo | (That you don't live there anymore, that is.) |
| 01:37.12 | Pytlask | Shirik: Be careful with that. RAND_MAX is frequently the same as INT_MAX (so you'll get overflow with the + 1) |
| 01:37.34 | theorbtwo | s/1/1.0/, then? |
| 01:37.42 | Shirik | ah that's why it was supposed to be 1.0 |
| 01:37.45 | Shirik | mah bad |
| 01:37.54 | Shirik | yeah the reference I saw it in said 1.0 |
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| 01:38.43 | Kraps | "Theodore Roosevelt almost died in this battle but he attacked the enemy viciously to win the battle and charged up the hill on his horse that got sniped right then and then theodore sniped the guy back and that is the biggest point in the whole war." |
| 01:38.57 | Kraps | some vandals are win |
| 01:39.05 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:39.14 | Shirik | omg Kraps |
| 01:39.16 | Shirik | have you seen my tool? |
| 01:39.21 | Kraps | no |
| 01:39.27 | foxlit | ... |
| 01:39.34 | foxlit | In any other channel... |
| 01:40.02 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shirik/CollabRC |
| 01:40.14 | Shirik | Think ClueBot+AI |
| 01:41.31 | Kraps | looks interesting |
| 01:41.34 | Shirik | ... |
| 01:41.35 | Shirik | testconstanttreenode.h(113): Error: Expected (ctnTenth.Compute() + 0.25 == test3->Compute()) up to 0.0000001 (0.0000), found (0.3500 != 0.1250) |
| 01:41.38 | Shirik | Epic unit test failure |
| 01:41.40 | Shirik | Cause: |
| 01:41.55 | Shirik | if (m_value > 1 || m_value <= 1) |
| 01:42.13 | Shirik | Supposed to be <= -1 >.> |
| 01:42.38 | Shirik | This is why unit testing is important folks! |
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| 01:48.53 | DWSR | Anyone know the proc rate/ICD on Black Magic to Weapon? |
| 01:49.35 | foxlit | wowhead, surely. |
| 01:50.04 | foxlit | Ah, they changed it. |
| 01:50.18 | DWSR | yes. |
| 01:50.23 | DWSR | I want to know the new proc rate/ICD. |
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| 02:26.32 | Polarina | Nice, an Icelandic horse as today's featured article on Wikipedia! :D |
| 02:29.14 | Polarina | " There are over 100Â names for various colors and color patterns in the Icelandic language" |
| 02:29.18 | Polarina | I didn't know that. |
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| 03:06.30 | Cloudwolf_ | DWSR im trying to find it on wow head. |
| 03:06.59 | Cloudwolf_ | 35% proc |
| 03:07.03 | Cloudwolf_ | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=59630 |
| 03:07.54 | DWSR | Cloudwolf_: ICD? |
| 03:08.03 | DWSR | And does it proc on dot ticks or just DD damage? |
| 03:08.05 | Cloudwolf_ | oh ICD some one said 45secs |
| 03:11.12 | Cloudwolf_ | i cant find acutal data on it |
| 03:11.23 | Cloudwolf_ | but one person cliams 45 another person who posted 7 days ago claims 37 |
| 03:11.38 | DWSR | Someone else has seen 45. |
| 03:11.39 | DWSR | 35* |
| 03:11.42 | DWSR | It won't be 37 |
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| 03:11.59 | DWSR | imo, still not better than +sp, since +sp scales with both haste and crit, and this doesn't. |
| 03:12.21 | ZorbaTHut | sure it does, it increases haste |
| 03:12.25 | ZorbaTHut | that scales with both sp and crit |
| 03:12.38 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: There are few +sp buffs. |
| 03:12.46 | DWSR | There are more +crit and +haste buffs. |
| 03:12.55 | ZorbaTHut | except for *every single piece of equipment you wear*, that is true |
| 03:13.17 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Since we're talking about gear, I'm talking about raid buffs. |
| 03:13.42 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know why you're splitting the two though. if I'm sitting around with 2000 spellpower, what does it matter where that spellpower comes from? |
| 03:13.53 | ZorbaTHut | maybe it comes from buffs, maybe it comes from gear, doesn't matter, it all turns into damage the same way |
| 03:14.02 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: cost/benefit ratio. |
| 03:14.16 | DWSR | If your 2000 spellpower comes at the expense of 100 crit, then you're probably doing better. |
| 03:14.39 | ZorbaTHut | No. It's immaterial. The question is whether black magic or +sp is a better enchant, based on your gear as it stands right now. |
| 03:14.43 | DWSR | If 250 haste on a 35% proc chance at 45sec ICD is coming at the expense of 63 sp, it might not be worth it. |
| 03:14.45 | ZorbaTHut | Plus any buffs you can rely on. |
| 03:14.59 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: As a DPS caster, +sp is the single best stat from now until the end of time (or Cataclysm). |
| 03:15.02 | ZorbaTHut | The haste gets better as your gear+buffs gets better. So does the SP. |
| 03:15.23 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Right, all that matters is the relative rating, and I can't see BM getting better than MSP. |
| 03:15.38 | ZorbaTHut | I dunno, if it's 1/3 uptime that's an average of 82.5 haste rating. |
| 03:15.44 | DWSR | Unless it's a 35% proc chance and a 35% ICD, which I'd need to number crunch on. |
| 03:15.46 | ZorbaTHut | Yes, SP is better. Is it that much better? Probably depends. |
| 03:16.20 | Kraps | "nationaln but sex day" |
| 03:16.28 | ZorbaTHut | But claiming that it "doesn't scale" is honestly ridiculous. |
| 03:16.54 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: +haste doesn't scale with a +haste buff. |
| 03:17.26 | DWSR | How many raids have you been in with no +sp buff? |
| 03:17.29 | Corrodias | Fisker: yes |
| 03:17.33 | DWSR | How many raids have you been in with no +haste buff? |
| 03:17.36 | ZorbaTHut | and +sp doesn't scale with all the +sp gear you get. what's your point? we're not talking about using an enchant until the end of time, we're talking about using it with a single specific amount of gear. |
| 03:18.11 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: MSP is(was?) the single best enchant for any gear level of warlock, and I would wager it's probably best for every DPS caster. |
| 03:18.35 | DWSR | So yeah, you use(d) MSP until the end of time. |
| 03:18.48 | DWSR | IT is/was one of those unconditional enchants. If you didn't have it, you were dumb. |
| 03:19.00 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but you didn't choose MSP because of how well it scaled. you chose it because of how well it worked at that moment. It turned out that it happened to work for eternity, but that's not why you used it. |
| 03:19.08 | ZorbaTHut | If something else had become better at T10, you would have used it. |
| 03:19.18 | ZorbaTHut | And you would have used MSP before T10. |
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| 03:21.07 | ZorbaTHut | I also have no idea why you keep bringing buffs up. It's a completely irrelevant point. You can consider "raid buffs" to be a piece of gear you wear, it's completely equivalent. When you're in a raid you have (lots of bonus stats), it's not like the enchant's value is based solely on how much it improves when you get buffed. |
| 03:21.10 | vadi2 | Anyone have a link to the web-based lua console? |
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| 03:22.13 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: No, it's not about scalability, but scalability plays a huge part of it. |
| 03:22.29 | ZorbaTHut | No, scalability plays a nonexistent part of it. |
| 03:22.44 | ZorbaTHut | Again, we're not talking about what to do until the end of time. Your decision here is not carved in titanium. |
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| 03:23.00 | ZorbaTHut | The question is whether, for you, with your gear and raid buffs, BM or MSP is a better choice. |
| 03:23.01 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: A +str enchant is better than a +ap enchant giving an equivalent amount of AP simply because +str will scale with kings. |
| 03:23.05 | ZorbaTHut | Scalability is an absolute non-issue. |
| 03:23.28 | ZorbaTHut | No, that is incorrect as well. If the +str gave far less AP then it wouldn't be any better. |
| 03:24.04 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: As I said, +str and an equivalent +ap. |
| 03:24.06 | ZorbaTHut | The sheer scalability is irrelevant. The important part is the end effect. Yes, you're right, equally itemized +str is better than +ap, but that doesn't make "strength enchants" intrinsically better. |
| 03:24.36 | DWSR | In a PvE setting, you have buffs. |
| 03:24.37 | ZorbaTHut | If Black Magic is designed such that they can fit more sheer stat into the spell with the same itemization, or if it's itemized more highly, then it may very well be better |
| 03:24.40 | DWSR | End of story. How not? |
| 03:24.58 | ZorbaTHut | as mentioned, it's possibly 82.5 haste rating, which is a *lot* more itemization than 62 spellpower. |
| 03:25.10 | ZorbaTHut | (presumably it gets that much by being somewhat unpredictable) |
| 03:26.00 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: The scale factors in every thread/tool/spreadsheet I have checked makes +sp a ton better than +crit for all DPS casters. |
| 03:26.11 | Legorol | If I understand correctly, what ZorbaTHut is trying to say is that you can't say that stat A is better than stat B. You can only say that X of A is better than Y of B. |
| 03:26.20 | ZorbaTHut | yes, so if you have a choice between 20 SP and 100 crit, which do you choose? |
| 03:26.23 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, exactly |
| 03:26.30 | Dagmar | Even that is dangerously oversimplifying things |
| 03:26.41 | ZorbaTHut | the fact that it's haste is largely immaterial. the question is how good it is. nothing more and nothing less. |
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| 03:27.21 | Legorol | Stat weights have been developed precisely to answer whether X of A is better or not than Y of B. Stat weights don't tell you which stat is better. |
| 03:27.33 | Legorol | It's a common misconception to consider the stat with higher weight as somehow "better". |
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| 03:28.19 | Legorol | Now that I've stated the obvious, I'm off :) gnight |
| 03:29.00 | ZorbaTHut | for the curious, the 63 spellpower on MSP translates to 54 itemization points. The hypothetical 82.5 haste rating translates to 82.5 itemization points. It's quite possible that that *huge* difference in itemization is enough to vault BM into first-place, depending on your class's particular preference for SP vs Haste. |
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| 03:29.33 | ZorbaTHut | 107 itemization if it's a 35s cooldown. Minus a bit in both cases since it won't proc instantly |
| 03:30.07 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Except for those classes which are DoT dependant. |
| 03:30.16 | Xinhuan | proc chance is 50% according to wowhead comments |
| 03:30.27 | DWSR | Xinhuan: That sounds a little high =\ |
| 03:30.38 | Xinhuan | there's been some tests apparently |
| 03:30.41 | Xinhuan | on the target dummy |
| 03:30.46 | ZorbaTHut | everything I said there still applies to classes that are DoT dependent. |
| 03:30.53 | Xinhuan | in any case, BM is a clear winner for me (mage) |
| 03:31.13 | ZorbaTHut | obviously it does depend on the actual weightings for your class. |
| 03:31.26 | ZorbaTHut | (although weightings themselves are kind of a suboptimal concept, but they're usually Good Enough) |
| 03:31.29 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Does BM proc off of DoT ticks? |
| 03:31.53 | ZorbaTHut | I couldn't say. how long do you go without casting a harmful spell as a DoT class? |
| 03:32.04 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: for Affliction locks, you can go a long time. |
| 03:32.11 | ZorbaTHut | really? what do you spend your time doing? |
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| 03:32.19 | Legorol | DWSR: you mean you are standing there wanding? |
| 03:32.35 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: You can go >15s without casting something harmful. |
| 03:32.44 | DWSR | err, >12s |
| 03:32.50 | DWSR | Whatever the CD of Haunt is. |
| 03:33.04 | Legorol | :o wouldn't spamming shadow bolt at least be better? |
| 03:33.04 | ZorbaTHut | so, uh, what exactly do you spend your time doing again? :P |
| 03:33.18 | ZorbaTHut | I mean if you're just standing there staring at the boss that sounds like a rather bad waste of time. |
| 03:33.21 | DWSR | Legorol: Depending on what the situation is, no. |
| 03:33.28 | DWSR | Legorol: You could be multi-target dotting. |
| 03:33.34 | Legorol | but then you are casting! |
| 03:33.40 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that sounds like a harmful spell to me |
| 03:33.55 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Is the DoT application considered a harmful spell? |
| 03:34.03 | Legorol | of course it is |
| 03:34.06 | Legorol | it can be resisted etc |
| 03:34.11 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know of any case where it isn't. |
| 03:34.32 | DWSR | Legorol: I dunno, haven't seen any of mine...oh wait.. ;) |
| 03:34.37 | ZorbaTHut | sometimes you get the added benefit of procs off ticks. Sometimes you don't. The DoT application itself is usually sufficient to proc stuff. |
| 03:35.47 | Legorol | i'm really off this time, gnight again :) |
| 03:36.08 | Hirsute | Anyone here play an arms warrior? |
| 03:47.29 | Kraps | i used to |
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| 04:04.00 | Cloudwolf_ | any one know why if arg1=="player"or "party1" or "party2" or "party3" or "party4" then that inside of arena sometimes comes up with enemy players? |
| 04:04.34 | Iriel | if written like that, thenyes |
| 04:04.45 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 04:04.49 | Iriel | you'd need arg1 == "party1" or arg1 == "party2" etc |
| 04:04.58 | Cloudwolf_ | k |
| 04:05.00 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:05.02 | Cloudwolf_ | thats a pain |
| 04:05.04 | DWSR | yes. |
| 04:05.07 | Cloudwolf_ | and i feel stupid doing htat |
| 04:05.09 | Cloudwolf_ | cus i just saw that now |
| 04:05.16 | DWSR | You should feel stupid. |
| 04:05.20 | DWSR | Because you are stupid. |
| 04:05.21 | Cloudwolf_ | :P |
| 04:05.23 | DWSR | ;) |
| 04:05.46 | Iriel | Well, you could do VALID_UNIT = { player = true; party1 = true; party2 = true; party3 = true; party4 = true }; |
| 04:05.50 | Iriel | then if VALID_UNIT[arg1] then |
| 04:06.05 | Cloudwolf_ | is there a way to shortcut arg1=="blah" or arg1=="blahh"? |
| 04:06.12 | DWSR | What Iriel just used. |
| 04:06.17 | Cloudwolf_ | hmm |
| 04:06.51 | Iriel | you could do something wacky with string.match but that'd be a massive waste |
| 04:06.52 | Cloudwolf_ | you can do if statements on a table element? |
| 04:07.12 | DWSR | yes, why wouldn't you be able to? |
| 04:07.22 | Cloudwolf_ | seems like you would need to iterate through said table |
| 04:07.23 | DWSR | All a table is is an array of arrays. |
| 04:07.24 | DWSR | No. |
| 04:07.38 | ZorbaTHut | it's basically doing a lookup on the table |
| 04:07.41 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:07.53 | ZorbaTHut | if the element doesn't exist, the result will be nil, which is considered "false" in a conditional |
| 04:08.07 | ZorbaTHut | otherwise it will be the element. in this case, that'll always be "true", which is obviously considered "true" in a conditional. |
| 04:08.11 | Cloudwolf_ | so its bascialy doing if table[arg1]==true? |
| 04:08.17 | DWSR | Cloudwolf_: Yes. |
| 04:08.21 | DWSR | Except you don't need == true. |
| 04:08.27 | ZorbaTHut | in the case of a table where all values are true, yes :) |
| 04:08.28 | DWSR | if table[arg1] then |
| 04:08.39 | Cloudwolf_ | hmm interesting |
| 04:08.50 | Cloudwolf_ | didn't knwo ifs coudl interperet that |
| 04:09.01 | ZorbaTHut | more accurately it's if table[arg1] ~= nil and table[arg1] ~= false then |
| 04:09.01 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 04:09.24 | DWSR | if $var then will *usually* behave like if $var == true then in most languages. |
| 04:09.44 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, only if $var is a boolean |
| 04:09.54 | ZorbaTHut | different languages implicitly convert non-booleans differently. |
| 04:09.55 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: It depends on the language. |
| 04:10.02 | ZorbaTHut | sometimes errors, sometimes by type, sometimes by value. |
| 04:10.26 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Notice my definition specifically left out the fact that different languages interpret the value of true differently? |
| 04:10.37 | Torhal | With Lua, if your choices are nil or true, using "if TABLE_VALS[arg1] then" is valid |
| 04:10.45 | ZorbaTHut | I dunno, you said "usually behave like (blah) in most languages" |
| 04:10.53 | ZorbaTHut | when in my experience that's actually the one thing that no languages I know of do :P |
| 04:11.15 | DWSR | I should have used TRUE, to show that it's the constant TRUE, but *shrug* |
| 04:11.36 | DWSR | $var = this; if $var then { echo True; } <-- Will print true in PHP and C. |
| 04:11.38 | ZorbaTHut | yeah but that's still wrong. any number value is considered true in Lua |
| 04:11.53 | ZorbaTHut | in C and C++, any *non-zero* number value is considered true. |
| 04:12.09 | ZorbaTHut | meanwhile, explicitly comparing to "true" in Lua will fail |
| 04:12.21 | ZorbaTHut | while explicitly comparing to "true" in C++ will succeed if and only if the number is 1 |
| 04:12.38 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Because you're comparing to the string true and not the constant true. |
| 04:12.50 | DWSR | Which is why I didn't quote true. |
| 04:12.50 | ZorbaTHut | okay, get rid of the quotes |
| 04:12.59 | DWSR | I didn't quote true. |
| 04:13.03 | ZorbaTHut | I mean if 3 == true then print("blarg") end -- this prints nothing |
| 04:13.06 | ZorbaTHut | because 3 ~= true |
| 04:13.26 | ZorbaTHut | I was merely quoting it to make the sentence more parsable, not referring to a string containing those characters. |
| 04:18.05 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Right, but that's Lua's interpretation of true. |
| 04:18.24 | DWSR | My statement was supposed to be (roughly) language agnostic. |
| 04:18.33 | ZorbaTHut | it still functions as a counterexample to "behave like if $var == true" |
| 04:18.41 | DWSR | Not really. |
| 04:18.42 | ZorbaTHut | honestly I can't think of a single language that *does* that. maybe PHP. |
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| 04:18.57 | DWSR | if 3 then dosomething(); does something in both C and PHP |
| 04:19.17 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but it doesn't behave like "if(var == true)" in C |
| 04:19.30 | ZorbaTHut | in C++, "if(3 == true)" does something opposite from "if(3)" |
| 04:19.31 | DWSR | Because TRUE is undefined in C. |
| 04:19.54 | ZorbaTHut | alright, C++ then. Yes, in C the entire line is garbage, true :) |
| 04:19.59 | DWSR | ;) |
| 04:20.21 | DWSR | Alright, lemme rephrase my statement then. |
| 04:20.23 | Cloudwolf_ | oh loveley im used to typing != isntead of ~=... |
| 04:20.37 | ZorbaTHut | cloud, took me a while to get used to that one also |
| 04:20.42 | ZorbaTHut | now I try to use ~= in C++. Sigh. |
| 04:20.49 | DWSR | if $var then is roughly equivalent to comparing $var to the boolean TRUE |
| 04:20.54 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Which is why I use neq in Lua. |
| 04:21.06 | ZorbaTHut | No, I'm claiming that it's not equivalent to that in any way. |
| 04:21.10 | Cloudwolf_ | i odnt evne know c++ i just used to code some for Gmod |
| 04:21.16 | ZorbaTHut | In virtually every language it's *far* closer to comparing $var to the boolean FALSE. |
| 04:21.18 | Cloudwolf_ | and it had the C++ usages in it also |
| 04:21.36 | ZorbaTHut | (at least, every one I know of) |
| 04:21.57 | ZorbaTHut | most languages tend to default to "true" - it's not defined as "it is true in these situations and false otherwise", it's defined as "it is false in these situations and true otherwise" |
| 04:22.19 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I think the point that you've made is that it's pretty highly dependant on the language. |
| 04:22.32 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: if TRUE then dosomething(); always does something (except in shitty C). |
| 04:22.42 | DWSR | if FALSE then dosomething(); doesn't do anything. |
| 04:23.18 | DWSR | OMG, Baldur's Gate 2 reference. :D |
| 04:23.27 | wereHamster | why would true && something() not do anything in C? |
| 04:23.33 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* the point I was making was that your claim was vastly untrue, and that you can get *much* closer by inverting it. |
| 04:23.40 | wereHamster | oh, I see |
| 04:23.41 | ZorbaTHut | were, "true" isn't a token in C |
| 04:23.59 | wereHamster | except in C99 |
| 04:24.05 | DWSR | It's not in C99 either. |
| 04:24.28 | DWSR | Unless you include bool.h |
| 04:24.30 | ZorbaTHut | if (something_that_is_not_a_boolean) then dosomething(); tends to be true in most languages, with occasional little special cases (nil in lua, 0/NULL in C/C++) |
| 04:24.56 | ZorbaTHut | (god only knows in php, probably the string "false" in whatever your locale is or something equally ridiculous) |
| 04:25.01 | DWSR | I think we've obfuscated the original usage example. |
| 04:25.15 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: nil, NULL, 0 are false in PHP, everything else is true |
| 04:25.28 | Cloudwolf_ | did i just spark an entire conversation about differnet languages simply by saying i keep doing != instead of ~=?.... |
| 04:25.33 | DWSR | No. |
| 04:25.40 | Cloudwolf_ | aight good lol |
| 04:25.57 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: FALSE is false, "false" is true. |
| 04:26.00 | DWSR | i(in PHP) |
| 04:26.27 | Cloudwolf_ | is false true if your looking for ~= nil? |
| 04:26.34 | Cloudwolf_ | O.o :P |
| 04:26.43 | ZorbaTHut | http://11heavens.com/true-or-false-in-php this is an excellent demonstration of why PHP is right up there with Intercal and Befunge in overall language quality. |
| 04:26.53 | ZorbaTHut | cloud, in lua, only false or nil are considered to be false. |
| 04:27.13 | ZorbaTHut | (okay maybe there's wackiness you can do with metatables or uservalues, but barring those) |
| 04:28.34 | Arrowmaster | i dont think there is |
| 04:28.53 | DWSR | When people say Lua tables, do they mean arrays? |
| 04:29.15 | Arrowmaster | theres a metatable thingy for equality but that is only used when comparing two values of the same type afaik |
| 04:29.16 | ZorbaTHut | lua tables are half array, half hash table |
| 04:29.29 | ZorbaTHut | they automatically change based on need. |
| 04:29.36 | WobWork | it's MAGIC =) |
| 04:29.41 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Kinda like PHP arrays then? |
| 04:29.51 | ZorbaTHut | possibly, I've tried to avoid PHP |
| 04:30.14 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt call them arrays, its more of hashes that can easily be used as arrays |
| 04:30.47 | kd3 | php's great if you learn how to handle its foibles |
| 04:30.47 | kd3 | use === or !== if you're strictly checking trueness/falseness |
| 04:30.47 | kd3 | >.> |
| 04:30.47 | Arrowmaster | although technically internally there is a difference when you create a table and add values like an array vs like a hash |
| 04:31.38 | ZorbaTHut | kd3, I would phrase that as "php is less of a corpse-strewn minefield once you learn how to jump through hoops to compensate for its horrific design" |
| 04:32.58 | WobWork | well that's the same for any language |
| 04:33.20 | ZorbaTHut | some languages are better than others |
| 04:33.21 | WobWork | some minefields have less corpses than others |
| 04:33.25 | ZorbaTHut | PHP is one of the others. |
| 04:33.27 | WobWork | but that's only due to usage =P |
| 04:33.53 | WobWork | (and cause if the mines totally obliterate the bodies, you won't find any evidence) |
| 04:33.56 | Cloudwolf_ | can you name a variable != and make it = ~=? XD |
| 04:34.16 | Cloudwolf_ | or would i ahve to make it a function... |
| 04:34.20 | Cloudwolf_ | meh.... |
| 04:34.53 | Cloudwolf_ | but isnt a function just a differnt type of var |
| 04:34.57 | ZorbaTHut | nope, not a valid variable name. :) |
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| 04:35.24 | DWSR | Cloudwolf_: You can make a variable FALSE. |
| 04:35.28 | DWSR | Or just use FALSE. |
| 04:36.01 | WobWork | http://epicwinftw.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/38c708e9b71ce53a28fcf04f1d5.jpg |
| 04:36.04 | Trela | ZorbaTHut: I get odd questions at times why I use so many checks instead of just check for false. I tell them because things can be false and return true. :P |
| 04:36.09 | WobWork | hm, you can't pack too much more awesome into that picture |
| 04:36.10 | ZorbaTHut | it's lowercase in lua ;) |
| 04:36.10 | Trela | In PHP that is... |
| 04:36.18 | ZorbaTHut | trela, urgh :) |
| 04:37.05 | Trela | I like that there is flex room, but it can drive me insane. |
| 04:37.26 | WobWork | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Rarely_Just_TRUE_or_FALSE.aspx |
| 04:38.34 | DWSR | I use FALSE in all uppercase to indicate that I'm refering to a constant. |
| 04:39.32 | ZorbaTHut | see, I put it in quotes. :D |
| 04:40.18 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5431723/mom-calls-911-when-kid-wont-stop-playing-console |
| 04:40.33 | Cloudwolf_ | i despise psychic scream... |
| 04:40.40 | DWSR | indeed |
| 04:44.38 | Shirik | Pop quiz |
| 04:44.40 | Shirik | is -2 even? |
| 04:44.47 | kd3 | yes |
| 04:44.50 | DWSR | yes |
| 04:45.09 | DWSR | last digit of 2 is 2, therefore it's divisible by 2, therefore it's even. |
| 04:45.21 | DWSR | s/divisible/divisible evenly/ |
| 04:45.38 | Shirik | how do you define evenly divisible? :P |
| 04:45.40 | Shirik | But thanks :) |
| 04:45.42 | DWSR | No remainder. |
| 04:45.52 | DWSR | 3/2 = 1 R 1, not even. |
| 04:45.53 | Shirik | lua> 0 % 2 |
| 04:45.54 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0 |
| 04:45.58 | DWSR | not evenly divisible* |
| 04:46.12 | Shirik | you can't say even is "evenly divisible" : |
| 04:46.16 | Shirik | recursive definition :P |
| 04:46.22 | DWSR | Shirik: No it's not. |
| 04:46.30 | DWSR | Even means divisible by two. |
| 04:46.55 | DWSR | evenly divisible means it's the number you're dividing results in no remainder when divided by the number x. |
| 04:47.01 | Shirik | lua> 0 % 2 |
| 04:47.02 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0 |
| 04:47.05 | DWSR | 3 is evenly divisible by 3, but is not even. |
| 04:47.07 | Shirik | no remainder |
| 04:47.23 | DWSR | Shirik: A better pop quiz would be to ask if 0 is odd or even. |
| 04:47.46 | Shirik | well |
| 04:47.49 | Shirik | -2 was what I needed to know |
| 04:48.01 | DWSR | -2 is even because it's evenly divisible by 2. |
| 04:48.09 | Shirik | because I wrote in documentation "a negative value raised to a negative, even value" |
| 04:48.15 | Shirik | and then I was like "does that make sense?" |
| 04:48.19 | DWSR | Yes. |
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| 04:48.47 | DWSR | You should use an example to clarify your statement, but yes. |
| 04:50.01 | Shirik | -1^-2 |
| 04:50.07 | Shirik | == OMGWTFHAX |
| 04:50.13 | Shirik | I should write that into the documentation |
| 04:51.25 | DWSR | lol |
| 04:51.26 | DWSR | You should. |
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| 04:57.13 | DWSR | Shirik: Even though -1^-2 is still actually equal to -1. |
| 04:57.19 | Shirik | fu |
| 04:57.22 | Shirik | (-1) ok |
| 04:59.04 | DWSR | English is such a fucking confusing language. |
| 04:59.11 | Jerub | wooo company lunch |
| 04:59.15 | Jerub | wooo beers |
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| 05:12.08 | Shiibot | !ops |
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| 05:13.00 | kd3 | ponders |
| 05:13.38 | Shirik | yeah wrong channel |
| 05:13.41 | Shirik | ignore that :P |
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| 05:25.56 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 05:26.05 | Thunder_Child | infact, i am going to tell Dolby on you |
| 05:26.17 | Dolby | ? |
| 05:27.42 | Thunder_Child | Dolby: Shirik has been doing admin command in full view of people |
| 05:28.00 | Dolby | admin command? |
| 05:28.07 | Shirik | the random !ops from Shiibot |
| 05:28.13 | Dolby | oh |
| 05:28.19 | Shirik | which you saw me request in the staff channel with the wrong channel name :P |
| 05:28.24 | Jerub | wooo had some fun editing the guild ony10 run |
| 05:28.30 | Jerub | put titles on it with imove |
| 05:28.33 | Jerub | er imovie. |
| 05:28.40 | Dolby | Shirik: is charged $20 for each time. no big deal |
| 05:28.49 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 05:49.09 | Fisker | slaps Dolby around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:54.16 | Dolby | mmm dinner |
| 05:57.10 | Fisker | you wouldn't eat my trout :( |
| 05:57.19 | Jerub | you wouldn't eat trout :( |
| 05:57.35 | DWSR | I would, however, eat your tuna. |
| 05:57.55 | Thunder_Child | thats...very very disturbing DWSR |
| 05:59.06 | Dagmar | Seagate doesn't beat the people they got from Maxtor nearly often enough |
| 05:59.22 | Thunder_Child | thats interesting, one of my drives has a 100.76% degree of fragmentation |
| 05:59.25 | DWSR | If only that sentence made sense. |
| 05:59.31 | DWSR | 100.76%? Awesome. |
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| 05:59.48 | DWSR | though, that could just be >1 fragmentation per file? |
| 05:59.56 | Dagmar | DWSR: It would if you had spent the last hour diagnosing why your machine is screaming THE DISK IS DYING when it's clearly not. |
| 06:00.13 | Dagmar | Apparently the Seagate Barracuda 7200.11's were made by the people they got from Maxtor |
| 06:00.29 | DWSR | Dagmar: Aha, your previous sentence now makes sense. |
| 06:00.31 | Dagmar | The SMART log actually eventually corrupts the P- and G-list. |
| 06:00.37 | Dagmar | Isn't that special of them? |
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| 06:01.25 | Dagmar | At least I didn't have any data loss, but it's taken an hour to get this far and it'll probably take an hour to clone the disk to the spare WD 500Gb I have here. |
| 06:01.49 | DWSR | mmm...fragmenty. |
| 06:01.55 | Dagmar | Their drive isn't actually failing, it just _thinks_ it is... in case you've no idea what the p- and g-lists do |
| 06:02.55 | DWSR | No, I don't. |
| 06:03.11 | DWSR | Never really taken a look at SMART technology, since that's about as oxymoronic as military intelligence. |
| 06:04.37 | Fisker | slaps DWSR around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:04.39 | DWSR | <insert clip of Team America here> |
| 06:04.48 | DWSR | eats Fisker's tuna. |
| 06:05.05 | DWSR | Because clearly, you misidentified the fish in question. |
| 06:05.35 | DWSR | misidentified(sp?) |
| 06:05.35 | batbot | DWSR, misidentified is correct. |
| 06:05.40 | DWSR | Is that a word, though? |
| 06:06.25 | DWSR | batbot: help |
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| 06:10.17 | Vilkku | Xinhuan \o/ |
| 06:10.23 | Vilkku | thanks for updating gemhelper |
| 06:10.27 | Seerah|away | Vote for Pedro! (I mean me! :) ) http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=17549 |
| 06:10.27 | Vilkku | <3 |
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| 06:22.28 | Fisker | ~weather ekch |
| 06:22.36 | Fisker | what! |
| 06:22.41 | Fisker | it's like totally brrrrrrrrrrr here |
| 06:22.47 | Thunder_Child | hahahahaha |
| 06:22.51 | WobWork | ~weather sysy |
| 06:23.01 | Thunder_Child | ~weather klax |
| 06:23.37 | WobWork | ~weather YSSY |
| 06:24.01 | Fisker | sweet i'll go live at your place WobWork |
| 06:24.39 | WobWork | It's going to rain for the next week apparently =( |
| 06:25.04 | ZorbaTHut | awesome, I just did 65% of the damage in ToC jousting |
| 06:27.19 | WobWork | charging, or jabbing? =P |
| 06:27.53 | Fisker | sneaks into WobWork's home while at work |
| 06:28.33 | ZorbaTHut | mostly by not sucking |
| 06:28.39 | ZorbaTHut | unlike 3/5 of the party |
| 06:29.25 | Fisker | that or 3/5 of the party didn't care as usual :) |
| 06:31.05 | Fisker | btw |
| 06:31.08 | Fisker | i didn't kill my wife |
| 06:31.09 | Fisker | bye |
| 06:32.11 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: in the first week of LFD my wife had to train her party in standing on people and how to joust... |
| 06:32.23 | Jerub | and she'd done toc 3-4 times, and htoc never. |
| 06:33.20 | bleeter | hmm, if the only place I've used the address wowinterface@<my domain name> is at wowinterface.com, and I get a wow account scam attempt email address, what should I presume? |
| 06:33.55 | Jerub | bleeter: that someone can get your address off the wowinterface web site? |
| 06:34.07 | bleeter | i guess so... |
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| 06:34.33 | Jerub | or that wowinterface is a bunch of fucking spammers |
| 06:35.34 | bleeter | oh, nm me... old email address anyways. |
| 06:35.42 | bleeter | not the one that I've got currently registered with them |
| 06:37.42 | Bruners | ~weather enbo |
| 06:40.04 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkjVS3lcQ5w&feature=player_embedded# |
| 06:40.26 | ZorbaTHut | 900 dps from a druid in 226 |
| 06:41.57 | WobWork | He's standing there in catform, breathing on them, right? |
| 06:42.18 | Thunder_Child | afk dmg |
| 06:43.32 | Jerub | wooo storm |
| 06:43.45 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: fucking appalling. |
| 06:43.50 | ZorbaTHut | 19 casts of Wrath |
| 06:43.51 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: is that feral or oomkin? |
| 06:43.52 | ZorbaTHut | one of Moonfire |
| 06:43.56 | Jerub | oh, oomkin |
| 06:45.26 | WobWork | http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/AFK-Rogue.jpg |
| 06:45.44 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: my metric is 1200 dps |
| 06:45.52 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: in 100% healer gear i can pull 1200 dps as a kitty |
| 06:45.58 | Jerub | so no druid ever should pull less than that |
| 06:47.27 | WobWork | I pull quite well |
| 06:47.37 | WobWork | of course it could be my three wolf moon shirt that helps |
| 06:48.08 | ZorbaTHut | I have to admit I'm really curious to get an event log from some of the people in my guild |
| 06:48.19 | ZorbaTHut | there's a warrior with ten ilvl gear above me who does half the DPS on trash |
| 06:48.27 | ZorbaTHut | I have no idea what he's doing wrong |
| 06:48.58 | ZorbaTHut | I've asked him what he does, and he claims to be doing the same stuff I am. he just gets 50% the DPS out of it, with better gear. go figure. |
| 06:48.58 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i have a quick gander at recount to look at kitties bears and trees. |
| 06:49.19 | Jerub | if i see 90% healing from nourish, or maul not in top 3, i know i need to sit down with them and have a man to man chat |
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| 07:04.57 | Shirik | Huh, that's an interesting comparison |
| 07:05.15 | Shirik | watching a TV show and someone compared the original intention of the united states to the modern-day european union |
| 07:05.33 | Shirik | "And that's why we're called the 'United States'; everywhere else in the world, a state is country" |
| 07:06.59 | Thunder_Child | ....wtf did they teach you in school? |
| 07:07.43 | WobWork | not in my country =) |
| 07:07.50 | Jerub | sounds like a good comparison, for the US of course. |
| 07:08.33 | WobWork | in the "It started with good intentions..." sort of way? =P |
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| 07:09.31 | Fisker- | herro |
| 07:13.02 | Thunder_Child | whips Fisker- |
| 07:15.31 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, yeah, that's pretty accurate from what I know |
| 07:15.51 | Fisker- | kisses Thunder_Child |
| 07:16.08 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Back in my day, we didn't have no european union |
| 07:19.33 | Fisker- | lols Shirik |
| 07:20.30 | DWSR | A state is a country, to whoever said "not in my country", you must be American. |
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| 07:22.01 | Thunder_Child | if they are the same thing it would be unlikly to have two words |
| 07:22.13 | Thunder_Child | unlikely* |
| 07:22.16 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Synonyms are not uncommon. |
| 07:22.27 | Thunder_Child | ~dict state |
| 07:22.34 | Thunder_Child | ~dict country |
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| 07:23.17 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Since the dictionary where purl is pulling information from is written by Americans, I'm quite sure that a state being a district of a nation will be a definition that's in there. |
| 07:23.32 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: However, that's a locale-specific definition, and not originally what the word meant. |
| 07:23.36 | Thunder_Child | oxford isnt american |
| 07:23.39 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: See: city-state. It's a country. |
| 07:23.46 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Purl isn't pulling from oxford. |
| 07:23.48 | Thunder_Child | it's also roman |
| 07:23.55 | Thunder_Child | definitions change |
| 07:24.34 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: I'm not arguing that, but the statement that "a state is a country anywhere else in the world" is entirely accurate. Only in the US is a state a sub-section of a country. |
| 07:24.54 | Fisker- | so Shirik are you bad enough a dude? |
| 07:25.20 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: A city-state was a city that was its own country, similar to the Vatican. |
| 07:27.13 | zenzio | http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/962/962529/9625296/jpg/active/503x.jpg o_O |
| 07:27.38 | DWSR | zenzio: ? |
| 07:27.55 | zenzio | I always knew she was weird, but she seems pretty demanding |
| 07:28.01 | Thunder_Child | "must be this long to ride" |
| 07:28.57 | DWSR | rofl |
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| 07:29.18 | Fisker- | do want zenzio |
| 07:31.53 | Fisker- | YA HEAR ME?! |
| 07:34.29 | Fisker- | you can't have a birthday today jnwhiteh |
| 07:37.58 | Fisker- | :( |
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| 07:46.02 | Fisker- | just keeps killing and killing |
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| 07:51.10 | Fisker- | sweet |
| 07:51.20 | Fisker- | someone is trying to lock my account it appears |
| 07:51.52 | zenzio | whistles |
| 07:52.00 | Fisker- | yep :( |
| 07:52.03 | Fisker- | can't login to the forums |
| 07:52.09 | Fisker- | keep getting "Too many attempts" when trying |
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| 07:53.05 | Fisker- | YOU! |
| 07:53.09 | Fisker- | i knew it! |
| 07:53.42 | Jerub | you wouldn't know it fisker. |
| 07:53.59 | pompy | Fisker-: too much trollin' |
| 07:54.08 | Fisker- | i wouldn't troll |
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| 08:07.35 | Fisker- | bleeter ! |
| 08:10.25 | Dolby | takes Fisker-'s trout while hes not looking and replaces it with a rubber chicken |
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| 08:10.59 | Shirik | I love Visual Studio. Only gods could come up with a naming convention that gives you names such as ?factories@OperationTreeNode@AI@Bot@CollabRC@@0V?$vector@PAVOperationTreeNodeFactory@OperationTreeNode@AI@Bot@CollabRC@@V?$allocator@PAVOperationTreeNodeFactory@OperationTreeNode@AI@Bot@CollabRC@@@std@@@std@@A |
| 08:11.58 | zenzio | you shouldn't care about the naming convention, the compiler takes care of that crap |
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| 08:15.01 | Fisker- | slaps Dolby around a bit with a large rubber chic...HEY WAIT A MINUTE |
| 08:15.01 | Shirik | zenzio: I care when that's what's in the error message :) |
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| 08:15.29 | Fisker- | i care about you Shirik :( |
| 08:15.43 | Fisker- | shit |
| 08:15.44 | zenzio | what sort of error are you having that's spitting out that? Unresolved external? |
| 08:15.55 | Fisker- | I demand snow and ice removed from WoW |
| 08:16.10 | Fisker- | It's killed almost 3 times as many in denmark sofar than swine flu |
| 08:16.22 | zenzio | Fisker-: but Mudcrown Citadel doesn't have the same ring to it |
| 08:18.03 | Fisker- | bah fail police |
| 08:18.10 | Fisker- | http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article1273306.ece |
| 08:18.13 | Fisker- | read it or die zenzio |
| 08:18.35 | Fisker- | Where's jnwhiteh when you need him anyways? |
| 08:18.42 | Shirik | zenzio: LNK2020 |
| 08:18.47 | Shirik | unresolved token |
| 08:19.02 | Fisker- | if you resolve them can you use them for prizes? |
| 08:19.10 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:19.18 | Fisker- | awesome |
| 08:19.21 | zenzio | Fisker-: you should have been more careful |
| 08:19.50 | Fisker- | :3? |
| 08:20.26 | zenzio | playing around with the police like that |
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| 08:20.57 | Fisker- | oh yeah |
| 08:21.08 | Fisker- | They should've grown a pair and thrown them into jail |
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| 08:35.48 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11824287017&sid=1 <-lol |
| 08:36.13 | Fisker- | doesn't beat rövhår though |
| 08:36.25 | ZorbaTHut | so what does that mean in english? |
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| 08:36.37 | Fisker- | ZorbaTHut penis |
| 08:36.40 | ZorbaTHut | aha |
| 08:37.38 | Cairenn | ZTH, it's Fisker, what do you expect? |
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| 08:40.04 | Fisker- | what's another player's name got to do with me? :o |
| 08:40.10 | doctorm | Probably not the place for it, but I'm looking for a couple addons and I was wondering if anyone would like to help. |
| 08:40.35 | Thunder_Child | ~asktoask |
| 08:40.45 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 08:40.45 | doctorm | One is a way to modify the look of the health bars you see when you press v |
| 08:41.02 | Thunder_Child | aloft will do that |
| 08:41.22 | doctorm | Just trying to be polite :) Thanks Thunder_Child |
| 08:41.45 | doctorm | The other is one that will different icons over your head if you are stunned / silenced / otherwise cc'ed |
| 08:42.22 | Fisker- | no offense of course but asking if you may ask a question is pretty rude to most people on irc :P |
| 08:42.39 | Thunder_Child | so are you Fisker- |
| 08:42.47 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 08:43.18 | doctorm | Well, it gives people the opportunity to say "this irc is for wow DEV only, gtfo to some other irc" |
| 08:43.26 | Fisker- | But atleast i don't get dissed for another player naming his character "Penis" :( |
| 08:43.43 | Fisker- | still does doctorm, besides if you know the answer why not give it? |
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| 08:45.00 | doctorm | So anyone have any clue on the icon one? I think I've caught it in a few arena videos, forget which tho |
| 08:45.35 | Fisker- | Could just be like a custom buff frame which only includes special abilities |
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| 08:45.42 | Thunder_Child | like a custom raid icon? |
| 08:45.43 | Fisker- | I think Satrina's Buff Frames can do that |
| 08:46.02 | Thunder_Child | you could also go with the aura one...meh, whats the damn name |
| 08:46.16 | doctorm | Not in the frame, but actually over the head of the character, like a big X. It may be automatically marking, now that I think of it. |
| 08:46.34 | Fisker- | a big X = a raid mark |
| 08:46.36 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8579-PowerAurasClassic.html |
| 08:46.52 | Thunder_Child | that might work as well, though it would only be for you |
| 08:47.06 | Thunder_Child | if you are expecting others to see it it would have to be raid icons |
| 08:47.06 | doctorm | Thanks Thunder_Child, this one looks rockin |
| 08:47.25 | doctorm | Yeah, not expecting others to see |
| 08:48.02 | doctorm | Oh the things you see when you press v are called "nameplates", didn't know what to search for >.< |
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| 09:06.52 | Fisker- | bleeter you're killing me |
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| 09:11.51 | Fisker- | you |
| 09:12.24 | Teomyr | no u |
| 09:12.31 | Fisker- | yes me |
| 09:12.38 | Fisker- | but also u |
| 09:14.41 | Fisker- | i could also just kill you Teomyr |
| 09:15.00 | Teomyr | horribly slowly |
| 09:15.05 | Teomyr | with an extremely inefficient weapon |
| 09:15.23 | Teomyr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDvgL58h_Y |
| 09:17.17 | Fisker- | i want a nexus one :( |
| 09:21.30 | Fisker- | no more rawr? |
| 09:23.39 | Fisker- | jingles Teomyr's bells |
| 09:25.33 | robotusch | throws bells at Fisker |
| 09:26.02 | Fisker- | flashes his bells |
| 09:26.06 | robotusch | >:| |
| 09:26.32 | Fisker- | to my defense i just polished them |
| 09:27.51 | Fisker- | http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article1273318.ece <-de burde jo faktisk hive ekstrabladet ned for pædofili! |
| 09:31.27 | Fisker- | ohoh |
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| 10:02.40 | Wobin | oh man |
| 10:02.48 | Wobin | I rarely ever say that PA is awesome |
| 10:02.52 | Wobin | but... |
| 10:02.54 | Wobin | ... awesome. |
| 10:03.17 | Wobin | I do hope they maintain that level |
| 10:11.53 | DWSR | Wobin: PA? |
| 10:12.33 | Wobin | Penny Arcade |
| 10:13.36 | DWSR | ah |
| 10:16.18 | zenzio | "Get pure drilling pleasure". "Shield for your male-confidence" |
| 10:21.22 | Fisker- | sauce or gtfo |
| 10:23.56 | Thunder_Child | sauces Fisker- |
| 10:24.16 | Fisker- | you wouldn't |
| 10:24.30 | Thunder_Child | sauces Fisker- twice |
| 10:24.44 | Fisker- | you simply would not just sauce a Fisker- |
| 10:24.53 | Thunder_Child | sauces Fisker- thrice |
| 10:25.25 | Fisker- | You would not. |
| 10:25.47 | Thunder_Child | sauces Fisker- yet again |
| 10:25.58 | Fisker- | hah! |
| 10:26.05 | Fisker- | you don't know what comes after thrice |
| 10:27.30 | Thunder_Child | nothing comes after thrice |
| 10:27.35 | Wobin | quarce? |
| 10:27.46 | Wobin | "Thrice and one" |
| 10:28.00 | Thunder_Child | quince is five, but isnt actually a word |
| 10:28.11 | Wobin | well quince is a word |
| 10:28.14 | Wobin | it's a fruit! |
| 10:28.16 | Fisker- | oh yeah? |
| 10:28.26 | Wobin | You have it with cheese |
| 10:29.06 | Thunder_Child | "The aromatic, many-seeded fruit of this plant, edible only when cooked." |
| 10:29.10 | Thunder_Child | you have that qith cheese? |
| 10:29.13 | Thunder_Child | with* |
| 10:29.26 | Wobin | well they make it into a kind of a jam |
| 10:29.37 | Wobin | a very thick jam |
| 10:29.44 | Wobin | and you have it with the more bitey style of cheese |
| 10:29.48 | Thunder_Child | jam on cheese? umm..doesnt sound right |
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| 10:29.58 | Wobin | yeah, I know, it tastes better than you'd think! |
| 10:30.19 | Thunder_Child | it would have to, because i'm not thinking it's very nice |
| 10:30.35 | Wobin | It's a very sweet taste |
| 10:30.43 | Wobin | so it balances out the tart cheese |
| 10:32.32 | Fisker- | so Wobin |
| 10:32.36 | Fisker- | when will i get my damn nexus one? |
| 10:33.24 | Wobin | ~8ball will Fisker get his nexus one? |
| 10:33.25 | purl | Are you smoking crack? |
| 10:33.33 | Wobin | ^ |
| 10:33.37 | Fisker- | purl, you wouldn't bring a fisker down |
| 10:34.53 | Fisker- | looks like he would :( |
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| 10:47.16 | Fisker- | mourns the loss of tekkub's internet connection |
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| 11:12.49 | airtonix | it's fair to say all freehosting leaves much to be desired ? |
| 11:13.45 | airtonix | either the mysql dbase quota is tiny or the ftp upload transfer is pre newtonian... or the servers are only online once every four years for three hours |
| 11:14.53 | Fisker- | http://www.artlebedev.ru/everything/transparentius/ <-Cameras help us show how you shouldn't overtake a truck around a bend where it's illegal. |
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| 11:19.05 | Wobin | Fisker-, that's a pretty cool idea |
| 11:19.16 | Wobin | not sure how long the screens will last... |
| 11:19.37 | Wobin | maybe if they use some cheap e-ink or something |
| 11:19.53 | airtonix | that only updates once every 4 sec |
| 11:20.13 | Fisker- | Actually i was thinking the back would be transcluent and they'd have an internal projector projecting a it mirrored |
| 11:20.25 | Fisker- | Still thought it was kinda funny the way they showed it :P |
| 11:21.40 | airtonix | great way to provide cinema for events that are over the fence |
| 11:22.27 | airtonix | < insert dr nick comment here > |
| 11:24.18 | Adys | Stupid question to everyone |
| 11:24.22 | Adys | how do thrown weapons work? |
| 11:24.27 | Adys | do they still have durability? |
| 11:24.29 | Fisker- | nope |
| 11:24.33 | Fisker- | they're just an item |
| 11:24.36 | Fisker- | unlimited throws |
| 11:24.43 | Adys | mm neat, since when? |
| 11:24.47 | Fisker- | dunno |
| 11:24.47 | zenzio | so they're not a nuisance anymore |
| 11:24.51 | zenzio | not too long ago |
| 11:24.55 | zenzio | 3.something? |
| 11:25.15 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?slot=25&durability__gt=1 |
| 11:25.17 | Adys | gotta update! |
| 11:28.59 | zenzio | I cam |
| 11:29.07 | zenzio | *I can't seem to find the patch notes that states the thrown change |
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| 11:30.17 | Fisker- | you came? |
| 11:30.22 | zenzio | all the time |
| 11:39.10 | Fisker- | zenzio |
| 11:39.16 | Fisker- | why can't i stop suffocating you? |
| 11:39.31 | zenzio | because it hurts so good |
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| 11:50.26 | Fisker- | you would not zenzio |
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| 11:58.53 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.31 | Fisker- | tracking cookies killed his harddrive! |
| 12:00.22 | Wobin | well |
| 12:00.26 | Wobin | cookies are a -sometimes- food |
| 12:01.10 | Wobin | wait what... "internet-law... wow account ban not legitimate"? |
| 12:01.20 | Wobin | what the fuck kind of fantasy world are they living in =P |
| 12:03.58 | Adys | "Did you know?" |
| 12:04.07 | Adys | Enchanting rods have an attack speed of 2.0 |
| 12:04.30 | Fisker- | sweet |
| 12:04.45 | Fisker- | can you level your enchanting by meleeing with your enchanting rod then? |
| 12:05.07 | Adys | the attack speed isnt shown because they dont have a damage set |
| 12:05.56 | Wobin | I'd so grind enchanting if that were possible =P |
| 12:06.02 | Wobin | It's such a pain to get levelled up |
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| 12:14.09 | Kaso | lol that tracking cookies thing is awesome |
| 12:14.35 | Adys | is /print a native function? |
| 12:14.39 | Adys | er |
| 12:14.41 | Adys | a native command |
| 12:17.11 | Fisker- | not /print itself i believe |
| 12:17.14 | Fisker- | unless it was added lately |
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| 12:17.29 | Adys | mine is done by aceconsole but I dunno if its overwritten |
| 12:18.15 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11998960007&postId=119977702727&sid=1#28 <-holy shit i've been trolled |
| 12:19.08 | Fisker- | bai |
| 12:27.03 | bleeter | kills Fisker some more |
| 12:32.22 | industrial | You wouldn't put it in a Fisker-! |
| 12:34.28 | bleeter | yeah I thought /print was relatively recent native |
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| 12:54.44 | Adys | So |
| 12:54.52 | Adys | I was testing some db attributes locally |
| 12:55.13 | Adys | and after a calculation error, Shadowmourne ended up being "Classes: Hunter, Rogue, Shaman" |
| 12:55.17 | Adys | I pondered leaving it that way. |
| 12:58.40 | zenzio | =D |
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| 13:31.00 | batrick | Anyone try out TS3 server? |
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| 13:52.47 | Jerub | any advice for togc10 faction champs? |
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| 13:56.45 | DWSR | yes |
| 13:56.47 | DWSR | Don't suck |
| 13:56.56 | Lunessa | Wait... |
| 13:56.57 | DWSR | What are you guys having trouble on? |
| 13:58.41 | Kaso | CC everything |
| 13:59.12 | Kaso | also use frost trap or nova or something to get em all to burn their trinket cooldowns ;p |
| 14:01.03 | DWSR | Shadowfury, Howl of Terror, Hungering Cold, psyhic scream, etc. |
| 14:01.09 | DWSR | However you spell psyckikc |
| 14:02.24 | DWSR | psyhic(sp?) |
| 14:02.25 | batbot | DWSR, psychic. |
| 14:02.29 | DWSR | thanks batbot |
| 14:04.00 | Kalroth | haha |
| 14:04.13 | Kalroth | psyhic(sp?) |
| 14:04.13 | batbot | Kalroth, psychic. |
| 14:04.33 | Kalroth | psycology(sp?) |
| 14:04.34 | batbot | Kalroth, psychology. |
| 14:04.39 | Kalroth | neat! |
| 14:05.14 | Lunessa | Please note, the bots also respond to whispers. |
| 14:05.22 | Kalroth | party pooper :( |
| 14:05.38 | Lunessa | That's right. Give me a party, I'll poop on it. |
| 14:05.38 | Lopeppeppy | bots are good that way. |
| 14:06.02 | Kalroth | It looks weird with private conversations with a bot though |
| 14:06.22 | Lopeppeppy | Looks better from my end. |
| 14:06.42 | Lunessa | Kalroth: They get lonely. They need the attention. |
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| 14:17.46 | Lunessa | Fire alarm. Back later, maybe. |
| 14:18.10 | zenzio | puts away the matches |
| 14:22.10 | Fisker | early holiday ftw |
| 14:22.56 | Kalroth | fuuu |
| 14:23.01 | Kalroth | Go talk to a bot Fisker |
| 14:25.30 | amro | Fisker is a bot |
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| 14:29.13 | Lunessa | ok, false alarm |
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| 14:31.55 | Lopeppeppy | cheers, Lunessa is un-crispity! |
| 14:32.36 | zenzio | peppy likes it raw? |
| 14:32.36 | Lopeppeppy | Raw, wet, and *wriggling*, to quote Gollum. |
| 14:32.45 | krka | O_o |
| 14:32.50 | zenzio | wriggling... that's a trink, but it could be arranged |
| 14:33.00 | Lopeppeppy | Not tricky if you do it right. |
| 14:33.09 | zenzio | :) |
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| 14:41.47 | Lunessa | 0.o decides to avoid the innuendo so deep he needs boots. |
| 14:42.10 | Lopeppeppy | *innocent* |
| 14:42.21 | zenzio | *not innocent* |
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| 14:50.36 | Lunessa | wishes he could delete non-relevant data from his sticky thread in UI&M |
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| 15:06.04 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/dolphins-sea-lions-serve-marine-guardians-naval-base/ |
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| 15:30.35 | Lunessa | Inc forum vacation for me: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21724989558&postId=220461527732&sid=1#17 |
| 15:32.27 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11998960007&sid=1&pageNo=2#27 |
| 15:33.00 | foxlit | Fisker: Im disappointed. |
| 15:33.18 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:33.32 | Fisker | been a little down lately! |
| 15:33.45 | foxlit | others*'*. |
| 15:34.06 | Fisker | :3? |
| 15:34.25 | Fisker | OMG GRAMMAR NAZI |
| 15:35.25 | amro | there's more. |
| 15:35.29 | amro | "or thought they could argue over the ruleset and it's wording" -> its* |
| 15:35.49 | Fisker | slaps amro around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:36.07 | amro | ~shoryuken Fisker |
| 15:36.11 | Fisker | i kill u |
| 15:36.13 | amro | :( |
| 15:36.14 | foxlit | Ah. I did not scroll up. |
| 15:36.21 | Lunessa | Fisker: Play the "English isn't my primary language" card - and watch use all laugh at you anyway. |
| 15:36.22 | amro | purl needs to learn to srk |
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| 15:36.32 | Fisker | don't grammar nazi me bros |
| 15:37.09 | amro | one could say you're being a logic nazi in that thread. |
| 15:37.32 | Lunessa | Are we godwining our own discussion? |
| 15:38.07 | Adys | So Im finally done implementing gets copletely on the db |
| 15:38.14 | Adys | s/co/com/ |
| 15:38.16 | amro | does it matter? it's just a special case anyway |
| 15:38.27 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/44086/?level=25 - http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/44101:123/?level=35 |
| 15:38.50 | Fisker | i don't get it |
| 15:39.01 | foxlit | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/44101:123:123/?level=35 |
| 15:39.08 | foxlit | Is the display difference intentional? |
| 15:39.19 | Adys | foxlit: yes, the third arg is a socket |
| 15:39.24 | Adys | it behaves like ingame |
| 15:39.29 | foxlit | Ah. |
| 15:39.45 | Adys | Altho the W icon itself is not intentional, but thats a simple fix |
| 15:39.56 | Adys | its supposed to be just a padding |
| 15:39.58 | Lunessa | ZOMG - Cogwheel - you need a minor glyph. |
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| 15:58.20 | Fisker | btw Adys |
| 15:58.24 | Fisker | why the level query on the mount? |
| 15:59.41 | Adys | if you dont see the level in red, ctrl-f5 |
| 15:59.55 | Lunessa | <3 http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=65917 |
| 16:01.19 | Fisker | ah |
| 16:01.22 | Fisker | neat |
| 16:01.22 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. |
| 16:02.27 | Adys | planning to have more stuff usable in GET |
| 16:02.30 | Adys | and add POST support |
| 16:02.41 | cog|away | Lunessa: i no rite? |
| 16:02.53 | Adys | so you could basically query your entire character in it |
| 16:02.59 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Remind me tonight, we'll fix that. |
| 16:03.04 | cogwheel | Lunessa: theorycrafting is too much like grinding. you tell me what to put where and i'm golden :) |
| 16:03.14 | Lunessa | Haha. |
| 16:03.27 | Lunessa | for Cog: http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f200/40491-wotlk-prot-warrior-guide.html |
| 16:03.28 | Fisker | btw Lunessa |
| 16:03.30 | Fisker | i just forgot |
| 16:03.33 | Fisker | it's "us" and not "use" |
| 16:03.48 | Fisker | i am satisfied with myself now |
| 16:04.18 | amro | #0 0x00000051 in ?? () |
| 16:04.18 | Lunessa | Fisker: /agree - I am the worst typist in the entire universe. There are monkeys who type better than I do. |
| 16:04.20 | amro | any idea what could cause a C++ application to crash with a stack trace that ends like this? this after calling this->Parent::whatever() |
| 16:04.46 | amro | Fisker: it's "I" and not "i" |
| 16:05.06 | Fisker | I hate you |
| 16:05.08 | Adys | amro: it's trollbag, not Fisker |
| 16:05.26 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:05.37 | cogwheel | Lunessa: only need a minor for my DPS spec imo... |
| 16:05.43 | foxlit | amro: is Parent null? |
| 16:05.45 | Lunessa | cog, ya rly. |
| 16:06.02 | amro | foxlit: Parent is the classname, how can it be null? |
| 16:06.13 | foxlit | You can tell I don't do C++ :) |
| 16:06.21 | amro | "this" isn't null either |
| 16:06.25 | Fisker | halp cogwheel people are mean to me :( |
| 16:06.26 | cbreak | can you show more of the code? |
| 16:06.34 | cogwheel | FU Fisker |
| 16:06.45 | Adys | shows everything to cbreak |
| 16:06.47 | cogwheel | o i thot u meant help the mean ppl |
| 16:07.12 | amro | cbreak: there isn't much more to show, I reduced it to that much |
| 16:07.12 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:07.26 | amro | cbreak: hang on, I'll get you the stack trace and tell me what you need to see |
| 16:07.40 | cbreak | well, try to just call |
| 16:07.45 | cbreak | this->whatever() |
| 16:08.00 | cbreak | or if you are inside the class |
| 16:08.05 | cbreak | Parent::whatever() |
| 16:08.19 | amro | http://amro.pastey.net/130534 |
| 16:08.26 | amro | what? |
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| 16:10.08 | cbreak | a C++ method call on an object you have a pointer to: |
| 16:10.16 | cbreak | objptr->methodname() |
| 16:10.31 | amro | yes, what about it? |
| 16:10.56 | cbreak | not objptr->Someotherclass::methodname() |
| 16:11.04 | amro | the class is a parent |
| 16:11.13 | amro | that's how you call the parent version of a virtual method |
| 16:11.13 | cbreak | so? :) |
| 16:11.22 | cbreak | I call them as in |
| 16:11.32 | cbreak | Parentname::methodname() |
| 16:11.40 | cbreak | not involving "this" at all |
| 16:11.46 | amro | this->Parent::method() works just fine |
| 16:11.50 | amro | there's no problem with it |
| 16:11.53 | cbreak | it does? great :) |
| 16:11.56 | amro | in fact it works as you can see from the stack trace |
| 16:12.15 | cbreak | then you must just imagine the crash :) |
| 16:12.16 | amro | and this code worked well for a while, not sure what introduced this (inconsistent) crash |
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| 16:13.07 | amro | cbreak: got anything constructive to add? |
| 16:13.41 | cbreak | sure, your decision if you take it or not :) |
| 16:14.27 | zenzelezz | amro: so the Frame's MouseMove calls the MouseMove on Region, which again calls the MouseMove on Frame? Or am I reading the trace incorrectly |
| 16:14.43 | cbreak | different object |
| 16:14.45 | amro | zenzelezz: it calls it on a different Frame (check the this value) |
| 16:14.57 | amro | cbreak: fine, just to make you happy, I'm using your syntax, and guess what? |
| 16:15.02 | amro | it doens't make a difference |
| 16:15.26 | cbreak | then the error is obviously in a part of the code that you didn't post :) |
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| 16:15.57 | amro | correction: the error is caused by code I didn't post |
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| 16:16.28 | amro | the crash itself happens on this->Region::render(), and I'm trying to find out what conditions could cause this to ahppen |
| 16:16.51 | amro | once I know that, I can backtrack and find where the problem is |
| 16:17.58 | cbreak | what kind of crash is it? |
| 16:18.02 | cbreak | memory access? |
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| 16:18.21 | amro | sigsegv |
| 16:18.56 | zenzelezz | does it crash all the time for you right now, or do you need to rerun it often for it to happen? |
| 16:18.57 | cbreak | memory, yes. Hmm. |
| 16:19.43 | amro | zenzelezz: it's random, but only happens on first mouseMove, or it never happens |
| 16:19.47 | amro | #0 0x00000079 in ?? () |
| 16:19.52 | amro | the address seems to change as well |
| 16:20.01 | zenzelezz | hm |
| 16:20.04 | amro | I'm thinking there's some kind of memory corruption happening perhaps? |
| 16:20.26 | cbreak | uninitialized memory? maybe. |
| 16:20.33 | zenzelezz | how often does it happen? Ie. would it be really painful to attach a debugger and have it break on entering Region::Render? |
| 16:21.01 | amro | zenzelezz: no, as it happens within the first few calls |
| 16:21.14 | amro | zenzelezz: is there something specific you want to check for? |
| 16:21.56 | zenzelezz | nope. That's what I do in Xcode or VC++ when I'm puzzled, run it in the debugger and try to spot something weird |
| 16:22.14 | zenzelezz | more talented coders would have better methods, but alas... |
| 16:22.31 | amro | ah, just got something more interesting |
| 16:22.42 | amro | #0 0x02da94a8 in ?? () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (rest of trace is the same) |
| 16:23.08 | zenzelezz | what does the "tls" part of the path mean? |
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| 16:24.02 | amro | zenzelezz: no clue, but that's the standard c lib |
| 16:24.07 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 16:24.25 | cbreak | it'd help if you had debugging symbols |
| 16:24.29 | zenzelezz | just got curious because on Windows "TLS" tends to mean "thread local storage", but I don't see why that would be a path name |
| 16:24.47 | durcyn | it's nptl |
| 16:25.01 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 16:25.08 | zenzelezz | nptl? |
| 16:25.14 | durcyn | native posix threading |
| 16:25.46 | Fisker | none of that is english |
| 16:26.01 | durcyn | it's not danish, i'll tell you that much |
| 16:26.18 | Fisker | it's your mom |
| 16:27.18 | zenzelezz | Fisker: [Your Mom Is The Immovable Object] |
| 16:27.57 | zenzelezz | I'd take back those item link renames over "ANAL [...]" any day |
| 16:28.58 | cbreak | amro: I'd try to find out what happens before the crash, especially where it gets the invalid memory address to jump to from |
| 16:29.02 | amro | it's random, but crashes more often than not |
| 16:29.10 | amro | cbreak: that's what I'm asking :P |
| 16:29.40 | cbreak | do you create all frames the same way? |
| 16:30.25 | amro | pretty much |
| 16:30.51 | amro | oh wait, now I'm getting SIGILL |
| 16:31.03 | cbreak | probably same reason |
| 16:31.13 | cbreak | you jumped to a memory where you could actually execute something |
| 16:31.16 | cbreak | so no sigsev |
| 16:31.20 | cbreak | but it was not valid |
| 16:31.23 | cbreak | I guess |
| 16:33.33 | cbreak | is it possible that you have an invalid object address? |
| 16:34.16 | amro | it is, but the address is used extensaively prior to the call to Region::blah |
| 16:34.23 | amro | so it would crash there if anywhere |
| 16:35.24 | zenzelezz | are you running this from the shell? |
| 16:35.47 | amro | blargh, got disconnected |
| 16:35.51 | amro | [17:34] <amro> it is, but the address is used extensaively prior to the call to Region::blah |
| 16:35.52 | amro | [17:34] <amro> so it would crash there if anywhere |
| 16:35.53 | amro | [17:34] <amro> I think there might be a buffer overflow somewhere |
| 16:37.04 | zenzelezz | if you're running from the shell, print a bunch of lines to stdout all through Region::render and see where it dies? |
| 16:37.26 | cbreak | just using a debugger seems simpler :) |
| 16:37.27 | amro | yeah, I did that, I know where it dies |
| 16:37.47 | cbreak | the function call |
| 16:37.50 | cbreak | is it a vcall? |
| 16:37.55 | amro | yes |
| 16:39.03 | cbreak | other vcalls (to other methods) work? |
| 16:40.22 | zenzelezz | is the parent properly initialised? |
| 16:40.23 | amro | hang on |
| 16:40.29 | amro | parent what? |
| 16:40.40 | cbreak | in the constructor |
| 16:41.03 | amro | yes |
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| 16:41.08 | Polarina | "There will be no scheduled downtime for European realms this Wednesday"! |
| 16:41.09 | zenzelezz | thought it was a call to a parent class |
| 16:41.11 | Polarina | :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D |
| 16:41.34 | amro | zenzelezz: yes, but initialized how? |
| 16:41.52 | mikma | so, i got this idea of Organized Raid-lockout addon |
| 16:41.55 | zenzelezz | pointers set to valid values and so on |
| 16:41.56 | amro | ah, found something a bit more interesting: http://amro.pastey.net/130538 |
| 16:42.51 | cbreak | weird |
| 16:43.02 | cbreak | it is some kind of iterator pointer pointer? |
| 16:43.12 | cbreak | is it properly bound checked? |
| 16:43.16 | amro | std::vector<Region*>::iterator |
| 16:43.21 | amro | yes |
| 16:43.33 | Shirik | amro: valgrind! |
| 16:43.40 | Polarina | This is not a discussion channel for xflight... |
| 16:43.50 | cbreak | damn operator overloading :) |
| 16:43.56 | Shirik | Polarina: When's the last time this channel was on topic? |
| 16:44.03 | zenzelezz | uh oh amro, now you've done it, Shirik awoke. Now we'll have flow charts and IEEE documents flung all over |
| 16:44.13 | Shirik | no, Shirik got back from the dentest |
| 16:44.13 | Adys | puts his topic in Shirik's off-switch |
| 16:44.18 | amro | wowuidev: for all your programming questions. Except wow ui development. |
| 16:44.32 | Adys | ~wowistats |
| 16:44.33 | purl | http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/wowuidev.html.gz |
| 16:44.41 | cbreak | does the pointer point to a valid object? |
| 16:44.50 | cbreak | likes std::tr1::shared_ptr |
| 16:45.04 | amro | cbreak: that's the crash, so I'm trying to figure out why it's invalid right now |
| 16:45.05 | zenzelezz | sharing is caring |
| 16:45.10 | Shirik | screw shared_ptr, they aren't handled in Lua corretly |
| 16:45.12 | Shirik | correctly* |
| 16:45.19 | cbreak | I use them in lua |
| 16:45.22 | cbreak | works fine |
| 16:45.25 | Shirik | with extra work |
| 16:45.36 | cbreak | extra work the author of luabridge did :D |
| 16:45.37 | zenzelezz | Shirik: that's lua's fault, not shared_ptr |
| 16:45.46 | Shirik | cbreak: Screw luabridge then |
| 16:46.13 | amro | zenzelezz: but in this specific case the pointers are shared with lua |
| 16:46.14 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch. |
| 16:46.21 | Shirik | waves at Lopeppeppy |
| 16:46.41 | cbreak | amro: how do you track which object to delete? |
| 16:47.10 | zenzelezz | peppy does not care for shared_ptr? |
| 16:47.22 | amro | cbreak: I let Lua take care of it |
| 16:47.37 | amro | when C++ is done with it, it removes the reference it has to it in the registry |
| 16:47.40 | amro | and lua collects it whenever |
| 16:47.59 | cbreak | aren't those C++ objects? |
| 16:48.01 | Shirik | um |
| 16:48.04 | cbreak | so they have to be deleted somewhere |
| 16:48.04 | Shirik | that's not really true amro |
| 16:48.19 | cbreak | so your binder will have to do that |
| 16:48.26 | Shirik | but cbreak, suffice to say, it works |
| 16:48.28 | Shirik | I promise |
| 16:48.38 | cbreak | in my case, luabridge works! :) |
| 16:48.43 | amro | Shirik: that's what Region does currently |
| 16:48.51 | Shirik | oh |
| 16:49.06 | Shirik | why aren't you using a handle again? |
| 16:49.20 | amro | cbreak: they're deleted on __gc |
| 16:49.36 | Shirik | I think we already had this discussion |
| 16:49.39 | amro | because it doesn't do what I need it yo |
| 16:49.42 | amro | indeed |
| 16:49.52 | cbreak | amro: so they should never be deleted as long as they are used in lua |
| 16:50.03 | cbreak | and they are always used in lua until C++ removes them from the registry |
| 16:50.09 | amro | yep |
| 16:50.15 | Shirik | the fun thing about __gc is just because __gc was called does not mean Lua no longer needs it |
| 16:50.27 | amro | really? |
| 16:50.39 | Shirik | but if Lua does still need it, you should know, and you deserve it for shooting yourself in the foot anyway |
| 16:50.56 | Adys | A GIANT box of cookies for the one who can help me fix this css issue |
| 16:51.01 | Shirik | Yeah, it's actually a way I DoSed batbot a long time ago |
| 16:51.09 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/43093/monster-staff-dalaran/ |
| 16:51.21 | Adys | -40 - 3 Damage |
| 16:51.29 | Shirik | __gc is just Lua telling you "I have no more references to this object" |
| 16:51.41 | Adys | I want this to be on the same line, but keep padding with "Speed 3.00" |
| 16:51.43 | Shirik | If there are no more references to the object after __gc is called, then it's GCed |
| 16:51.52 | Shirik | but __gc can restore a reference in which case it's back to normal |
| 16:51.58 | amro | ah |
| 16:52.01 | amro | but I don't do that :) |
| 16:52.11 | Shirik | (11:50:00) (@Shirik) but if Lua does still need it, you should know, and you deserve it for shooting yourself in the foot anyway |
| 16:56.23 | Shirik | is hungry :( |
| 16:57.35 | amro | gives Shirik a Snickers |
| 16:57.45 | Shirik | can't eat a snickers :( |
| 16:57.49 | amro | well at least I managed to figure something out, only one specific frame was causing the crash |
| 16:57.58 | amro | allergic to peanuts? |
| 16:59.40 | Shirik | not allowed to chew anything for 3 hours |
| 17:00.10 | amro | gives Shirik a Snickers Smoothie |
| 17:00.17 | Shirik | lol |
| 17:00.42 | Shirik | ... my code is now ridden with "const volatile" all over the place |
| 17:01.09 | zenzelezz | "this is constant, but read it from memory every time please"? |
| 17:01.46 | Shirik | more like "I'm not allowed to change it, but it can change" |
| 17:01.53 | zenzelezz | I see |
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| 17:26.19 | Fisker | http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1079787 <- he accidentally... the whole server |
| 17:26.44 | nevcairiel | people like that are funny |
| 17:27.01 | nevcairiel | i didnt read it completly, but i bet he is just QQing because he got banned |
| 17:27.48 | zenzelezz | "Vac really should give a WARNING first because of people accidently using hacks and just unreasonable bans." |
| 17:27.55 | zenzelezz | somehow my game started using hacks! |
| 17:28.01 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 17:28.02 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't install them! |
| 17:28.10 | Fisker | i hate it when that happen |
| 17:28.20 | Lopeppeppy | They just showed up at the door wearing boy scout uniforms, and before I knew it, I was banned! |
| 17:28.22 | amro | I thought it was a bonus map! |
| 17:28.22 | Fisker | also all that gayporn my parents found was totally not mine |
| 17:28.29 | Trela | I hate the user on that forum constantly spewing that VAC is flawless and never mistakenly bans any way. They are wrong. |
| 17:28.35 | Lopeppeppy | I was holding that LSD for a friend. |
| 17:28.37 | Trela | *users |
| 17:28.50 | Trela | I hate the users on that forum constantly spewing that VAC is flawless and never mistakenly bans any one. They are wrong. |
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| 17:29.00 | Lopeppeppy | There are always going to be accidental bans, that's true. |
| 17:29.14 | Fisker | But as with warden they'll be fairly easy to see |
| 17:29.29 | Lopeppeppy | And if that did happen, I'm really sorry for this person. But if I were accidentally banned, I wouldn't be hanging on forums, I'd be on the phone with the company forever until it was fixed. |
| 17:29.52 | Trela | With Warden you can unbanned on a mistake. With VAC, fuck it, they will hang up the phone. |
| 17:30.01 | Fisker | nope |
| 17:30.03 | amro | "Now I feel my life is like... nothing." |
| 17:30.05 | amro | oO |
| 17:30.09 | Fisker | VAC has done incorrect bans as well |
| 17:30.12 | Trela | *can get |
| 17:30.13 | Fisker | And it's been reverted |
| 17:30.26 | Fisker | And actually the first couple of responses to the Warden problem back then was "yeah right, you cheater" |
| 17:30.28 | Fisker | basically |
| 17:30.43 | zenzelezz | clearly, STEAM IS CHINA |
| 17:30.58 | Trela | <Hong Meiling> O.O |
| 17:31.20 | zenzelezz | hm, who was that guy again with his China argument... so long ago now |
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| 17:37.53 | Lopeppeppy | So... my boss says that the Uncle Boss assures him there won't be layoffs in our department. Do I dare trust the Uncle, or keep planning on layoffs anyway? *files under Things That Make You Go Hmmm* |
| 17:38.22 | Fisker | just tell your boss to fire you |
| 17:38.31 | Fisker | then you're atleast certain |
| 17:38.37 | durcyn | Lopeppeppy: shoot up the office. |
| 17:38.38 | zenzelezz | plan anyway |
| 17:38.38 | Lopeppeppy | You're off your rocker, mate, you want to get it looked at. :P |
| 17:39.52 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I don't trust that scurvy uncle! |
| 17:40.03 | durcyn | i meant guns, not drugs, obviously. |
| 17:40.12 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 17:40.18 | Lopeppeppy | I could put LSD in the water supply easily. |
| 17:40.26 | Lopeppeppy | I'm the only one who changes out the bottle. |
| 17:41.28 | Lunessa | Peppy-Dear, hope for the best, plan for the worst. |
| 17:42.59 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. I'm not going to get my hopes up until March 1st. |
| 17:44.40 | Fisker | get a job at google |
| 17:44.59 | cbreak | bottle? |
| 17:45.24 | Lopeppeppy | We have a water cooler that's bottle fed. Um, the huge damn big heavy bottles, you tip one upside down into the top of the cooler unit. |
| 17:45.28 | cbreak | that sounds like using batteries instead of a central power grid :) |
| 17:45.31 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, that sounds like fun! |
| 17:45.47 | Lopeppeppy | cbreak, we're no where near any water supply to use a filtration system, so bottled it is. |
| 17:46.36 | cbreak | interesting |
| 17:46.52 | cbreak | where I live, water is filtered centrally and then put clean into the pipes |
| 17:47.14 | Fisker | where i live we don't have dirty water |
| 17:47.26 | cbreak | oh, I bet you have :) |
| 17:47.36 | cbreak | unless you have to use an Outhouse |
| 17:47.42 | Lopeppeppy | Depending on the age of the pipes, the taste leaves... a lot to be desired. |
| 17:48.20 | Fisker | we use cola in our toilets instead cbreak |
| 17:48.32 | cbreak | that's an interesting strategy |
| 17:49.01 | cbreak | I bet the suggar in the cola is highly effective killing any germs |
| 17:49.17 | Lopeppeppy | And no worries about telling if the person before you forgot to flush, you can't tell. |
| 17:50.19 | durcyn | cola would eventually eat away the enamel from the lavatories, you'd regret that experiment |
| 17:50.30 | durcyn | porcelain doesn't stand up forever against acid |
| 17:50.33 | Fisker | i ate away your mom |
| 17:50.52 | durcyn | yes, she rather enjoyed that, thanks |
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| 18:04.20 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_122209_200313.jpg |
| 18:05.23 | zenzelezz | what are we looking at/for? |
| 18:05.47 | Lopeppeppy | Waldo |
| 18:05.53 | zenzelezz | I believe that's an American phenomenon |
| 18:06.02 | Fisker | dps i guess |
| 18:06.19 | zenzelezz | why would we be looking at DPS in Stormwind? |
| 18:06.21 | Fisker | or that he did a bazillion instances |
| 18:06.29 | Fisker | ooooooor |
| 18:06.38 | Fisker | that he's doing 10 player heroic instances of instances that aren't heroic |
| 18:06.49 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
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| 18:07.25 | Lopeppeppy | Morning Shirik |
| 18:07.32 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:07.36 | Shirik | we were talking like an hour ago |
| 18:07.59 | zenzelezz | that was your imagination |
| 18:08.02 | Lopeppeppy | Did I? I forget. |
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| 18:10.08 | Shirik | rehuggles Lopeppeppy |
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| 18:34.28 | Shirik_ | ok guys here's a fun one |
| 18:34.28 | zenzelezz | thanks, I know Lopeppeppy is fun |
| 18:34.28 | Shirik_ | debugger says &node1 is 0x006f2b88. Debugger also says subnode.m_rhs is0x006f2b88. However, stepping through the code says (&node1 == &(subnode.GetRhs())) is false |
| 18:34.28 | Shirik_ | GetRhs() is: inline const ComputationalTreeNode& GetRhs() { return m_rhsNode; }; |
| 18:34.28 | Shirik_ | note: node1 is const ComputationalTreeNode& node1 = subnode.GetRandomBranch(1); |
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| 18:34.29 | Shirik_ | so node1 and subnode.m_rhs point to the same address, but &(subnode.GetRhs()) != &node1 |
| 18:34.29 | Shirik_ | wtfhax? |
| 18:35.32 | Xinhuan | don't debug in release mode |
| 18:35.34 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 18:35.39 | Shirik_ | it's not in release mode |
| 18:36.42 | Xinhuan | subnode.m_rhs isn't subnode.m_rhsNode |
| 18:36.49 | Xinhuan | unless you meant the same variable |
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| 18:37.28 | Fisker | Shirik_ i'm on an irc channel |
| 18:37.36 | Shirik_ | that's.... interesting |
| 18:37.37 | amro | no, you're on drugs |
| 18:37.46 | Shirik_ | good catch Xinhuan |
| 18:37.54 | Shirik_ | but m_rhs and m_rhsNode are supposed to be the same address |
| 18:37.56 | Shirik_ | but they're not |
| 18:38.06 | zenzelezz | and I assumed Shirik_ just typoed it :-o |
| 18:38.07 | amro | I blame the naming convention |
| 18:38.10 | amro | m_ is ugly |
| 18:38.22 | Xinhuan | mp_ is uglier |
| 18:38.24 | Shirik_ | I blame your face |
| 18:38.29 | amro | :( |
| 18:38.38 | zenzelezz | LPCTSTR lpFoo; |
| 18:38.43 | ckknight | Xinhuan: mp_? |
| 18:38.46 | ckknight | oh, pointer? |
| 18:38.49 | ckknight | shudders |
| 18:38.50 | Xinhuan | member pointer hehe |
| 18:39.30 | amro | if it's not possible to tell that a variable is a member/pointer/whatever from context and name, you've got bigger problems |
| 18:40.50 | Shirik_ | bad zenzelezz |
| 18:41.00 | Shirik_ | That's obviously supposed to be LPCTSTR lpszFoo |
| 18:41.29 | Shirik_ | amro: Sad thing is, that's not what hungarian notation is for |
| 18:41.29 | amro | no, stop! memories of WINAPI, they still haunt me |
| 18:41.35 | Shirik_ | and Microsoft destroyed it |
| 18:41.41 | zenzelezz | Shirik_: you just tainted yourself by showing you know Microsoft's Hungarian notation |
| 18:42.07 | Shirik_ | I'm pretty sure everyone here knows I know WIN32 API pretty well :P And hates me for it |
| 18:42.24 | amro | I don't. I admire that you can work with it without going insane |
| 18:42.29 | Shirik_ | amro: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Wrong.html |
| 18:42.34 | Fisker | slaps Shirik_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:42.36 | Shirik_ | very interesting read |
| 18:42.51 | zenzelezz | Joel is also wrong sometimes you know |
| 18:43.04 | Shirik_ | I think he makes perfect sense here |
| 18:43.15 | Shirik_ | it's not the type that's important, it's the use of the variable |
| 18:43.32 | Shirik_ | just because a is an int and b is an int does not mean that a+b is a meaningful operation |
| 18:44.39 | zenzelezz | that article isn't bad, I'm just tired of people quoting Joel like he's some infallible coder god |
| 18:46.14 | amro | "Iâm using the word kind on purpose, there, because Simonyi mistakenly used the word type in his paper, and generations of programmers misunderstood what he meant." |
| 18:46.15 | Shirik_ | oh he's not, but I happen to think this is a very good article |
| 18:46.18 | amro | Lost in translation ftl |
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| 19:24.16 | cbreak | if doxygen makes something useful out of it, it's self documenting :) |
| 19:24.16 | zenzelezz | "self-documenting code" means "code that the author still understood the day after writing", loosely |
| 19:25.12 | Fisker | on the other hand |
| 19:25.12 | Fisker | fu |
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| 19:25.55 | Guest18796 | I wonder if the DDoS is back |
| 19:25.58 | amro | ~lart Guest18796 |
| 19:25.58 | purl | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at Guest18796 |
| 19:26.03 | Thunder_Child | you cant hide from us Guest18796 |
| 19:26.16 | olafski | who is guest18796 |
| 19:26.19 | olafski | why does he not use a real name? |
| 19:26.26 | olafski | something to hide EH? |
| 19:27.53 | Fisker | l2whois |
| 19:27.56 | Fisker | it's Shirik|AFK |
| 19:28.03 | Fisker | also |
| 19:28.07 | Fisker | learn2readjoin :( |
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| 19:30.34 | Fisker | slaps Yssaril around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:32.22 | olafski | also l2readsarcasm |
| 19:32.25 | olafski | trollboi |
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| 19:37.58 | Fisker | alsoihateyouolafskisomuchthatihopeyoudieeventhoughidontevenknowyou |
| 19:38.02 | Fisker | >:E |
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| 19:40.02 | Fisker | i'm on a boat olafski |
| 19:41.19 | DWSR | 10 or 25 player boat? |
| 19:41.25 | Fisker | 10 player |
| 19:41.26 | Fisker | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1896/ |
| 19:41.42 | Fisker | can't be on a 25 player boat for some time :( |
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| 19:44.05 | Fisker | rawr |
| 19:44.10 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 19:44.32 | Fisker | rawr  |
| 19:44.44 | Fisker | rawr |
| 19:44.50 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 19:44.55 | Fisker | rawr |
| 19:45.33 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Gryphon |
| 19:45.36 | Gryphon | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 19:46.23 | Thunder_Child | well i'll be, there is a way to IM people on live from pc |
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| 19:49.31 | Lopeppeppy | Am I really considering getting up at o-dark-thirty tomorrow to buy another pair of work pants? I'm insane. |
| 19:50.04 | theorbtwo | Lopeppeppy: On chrismas eve? Yes, you are. |
| 19:50.26 | DWSR | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1858/ |
| 19:50.27 | Thunder_Child | i want http://gizmodo.com/5430355/ghost-supership-can-probably-break-other-ships-in-two |
| 19:50.31 | Lopeppeppy | Tomorrow isn't christmas eve here, theorbtwo. |
| 19:51.51 | theorbtwo | Where are you? |
| 19:52.03 | Lopeppeppy | US. |
| 19:52.09 | Lopeppeppy | Tomorrow is only the 23rd. |
| 19:52.19 | theorbtwo | Oh. Nevermind, I'm just an idiot... |
| 19:52.30 | Thunder_Child | we know |
| 19:52.45 | Thunder_Child | but it's ok |
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| 19:58.58 | Lopeppeppy | I've been waking up at like 4am with nothing to do but glare at the cats, so that at least would be productive. |
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| 19:59.28 | amro | it would be more interesting if you had laser vision |
| 19:59.38 | Lopeppeppy | Pew pew |
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| 20:02.31 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: your cats are waking you up in the middle of the night too? |
| 20:02.37 | amro | charred kittens for lunch |
| 20:03.13 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, nope, I have a cat-free bedroom. And insomnia. |
| 20:03.35 | zenzelezz | a cat-free insomnia? |
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| 20:04.11 | Lopeppeppy | Sadly, yes. |
| 20:05.23 | zenzelezz | you've checked that you're not making TNT in your basement? |
| 20:05.45 | Lopeppeppy | Why would that keep me up at night? |
| 20:06.10 | zenzelezz | or starting secret fight clubs? |
| 20:06.31 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, not making soap from baby fat either. |
| 20:08.17 | Kraps | the first rule of fight club |
| 20:08.42 | Lopeppeppy | Don't eat the soup. |
| 20:09.15 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy must have watched a very different version of Fight Club than we did |
| 20:10.35 | Kraps | Fight Club: The Soup Club, where tyler durden thinks hes a bowl of soup |
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| 20:12.18 | Lopeppeppy | Honestly. |
| 20:12.27 | Lopeppeppy | Would you eat anything Tyler Durden cooked? |
| 20:13.21 | Kraps | hes an anarchist, so no |
| 20:15.42 | Lopeppeppy | There you go. First rule, do not eat the soup. |
| 20:19.14 | Dagmar | No, do not eat the *soap* |
| 20:19.28 | Dagmar | The soup is just fine, since they grow their own veggies |
| 20:20.00 | Lopeppeppy | i dont' want to know where he'd get the bones to boil for stock. *shudder* |
| 20:20.17 | Dagmar | What the hell kinda soup do you make at home? |
| 20:20.19 | Dagmar | Bones? |
| 20:20.33 | Dagmar | In soup? |
| 20:20.40 | Kraps | Dagmar: bones add taste |
| 20:20.50 | Kraps | yep |
| 20:20.51 | Lopeppeppy | ... yeah, bones. First, you bake the chicken. Then you boil the carcass with a bunch of veggies to make stock. Then you take out the lumps, and chill it. Then you skim it. |
| 20:20.54 | Dagmar | Kraps: Yes, well, I won't be sleeping without my gun near you people |
| 20:21.08 | Lopeppeppy | THEN you chop up the veggies and the meat for the soup that you'll eat. |
| 20:22.20 | Kraps | Dagmar: i dont do it, but sucking the soup out of the bones is pretty good to |
| 20:22.40 | Dagmar | I won't even be *blinking* around you, cannibal. |
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| 20:22.52 | Kraps | lol |
| 20:23.19 | Kraps | i'm talking about chicken you know |
| 20:23.24 | Dagmar | Uh huh. |
| 20:23.57 | Kraps | what, are you chicken? |
| 20:24.06 | Lopeppeppy | *bwok bwok bwok* |
| 20:24.09 | Kraps | hold on i just blew my own mind |
| 20:24.33 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle snark* |
| 20:24.48 | Dagmar | Next thing I know you'll be telling me chicken soup is called jewish penicillin because it's made with rewl jews |
| 20:25.05 | Dagmar | s/rewl/real/; |
| 20:25.06 | Lopeppeppy | Only when they don't run fast enough to escape. |
| 20:25.34 | Lopeppeppy | Ooops. Shirik, was that out loud again? |
| 20:26.03 | Kraps | Dagmar: i draw the line at eating my co-ethnics |
| 20:26.13 | Kraps | (is that even a word? |
| 20:27.38 | Lopeppeppy | No... but I get what you're saying. |
| 20:27.53 | Lopeppeppy | "those who share my gene pool" describes it a bit better maybe? |
| 20:28.08 | zenzelezz | seeing all the crap that floats out of your keyboard when you submerge it in water is sort of icky |
| 20:28.34 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: somewhat, thanks |
| 20:28.38 | Dagmar | You know how you fix that? |
| 20:28.45 | Dagmar | Stop eating/fapping over your keyboard |
| 20:29.41 | Kraps | zenzelezz: it doesnt ruin it? |
| 20:29.42 | zenzelezz | I've never fapped over my keyboard, but thanks for the tip |
| 20:30.04 | zenzelezz | Kraps: in theory no, if you let it dry properly before using it again. There's always the chance it will die, but often doesn't |
| 20:30.20 | zenzelezz | but since mine had a run-in with a bottle of Cola last night, it's a worthwhile risk |
| 20:30.41 | Dagmar | I just run mine through the dishwasher |
| 20:31.04 | Dagmar | Take off all the keys, put 'em inside a gutted loofa, top rack all the pieces and don't forget the spot remover |
| 20:31.20 | Lopeppeppy | I use canned air to clean mine. Laptop needs it done, probably next week during the Vacation Cleaning Extravaganza. |
| 20:31.37 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: a good way usually, but doesn't do much with Cola |
| 20:32.44 | Lopeppeppy | Stop trying to clean your keyboard with cola, silly bear. |
| 20:34.08 | zenzelezz | I wasn't planning to clean it at all :( |
| 20:34.18 | zenzelezz | "GNU rewritten Unix utilities tool set were invented by through the purity in effort of Richard Stallman-- the pillar of free software." <-- this sentence puzzles me |
| 20:35.47 | Dagmar | That's because it's more than a little self-serving |
| 20:36.09 | Dagmar | ...and the grammar is downright insane. |
| 20:36.16 | durcyn | that whole article is written by a drooling moron |
| 20:36.31 | Dagmar | A lot of people say that about Stallman. ;) |
| 20:36.36 | durcyn | who says "lack and dearth" and still claims english as a first language |
| 20:37.14 | zenzelezz | durcyn: yeah, was a pretty bad article |
| 20:37.16 | Dagmar | 8th graders in LA |
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| 20:39.47 | Shirik | ~x en fr to ignore |
| 20:40.19 | Shirik | Adys |
| 20:40.24 | Shirik | my conjugation sucks |
| 20:41.03 | Shirik | "do not ignore me" - "ne pas me ignores"? I thought there was something special about commands and negation |
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| 20:41.43 | durcyn | ne pas ignorez-moi |
| 20:42.14 | Shirik | you sure it's not reflexive? |
| 20:42.28 | durcyn | i didn't think it was, but the last french course i took was a decade back |
| 20:45.18 | zenzelezz | ~x en fr do not ignore me |
| 20:46.33 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: ping |
| 20:47.05 | Arrowmaster | ? |
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| 20:47.58 | Shirik | hey, the whole RROD thing on older xboxes |
| 20:47.58 | mitch0 | been iddling on #wowuide for a while :) |
| 20:48.11 | Shirik | did Microsoft say they're fixing that or something? |
| 20:48.17 | Shirik | I forget and I think you brought it up a while ago |
| 20:48.27 | Shirik | My brother is experiencing a problem; his is like 2 years old or so |
| 20:48.29 | Arrowmaster | afaik they are still denying it ever happened |
| 20:48.42 | Shirik | all I found was http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/05/microsoft-expands-xbox-360-warranty-for-red-ring-sufferers/ |
| 20:48.52 | Arrowmaster | if his is 2 years old it should still be under warranty |
| 20:49.27 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:52.50 | amro | Shirik: purl is right |
| 20:53.20 | Shirik | not "ne pas m'ignorez"? |
| 20:53.27 | Shirik | when do you put ne pas right next to each other? |
| 20:54.00 | amro | ne m'ignorez pas |
| 20:54.15 | amro | ne pas <verb> is the er, base form |
| 20:54.24 | amro | eg ne pas toucher |
| 20:55.48 | Shirik | when would you do that? |
| 20:56.12 | amro | when you're saying it as a general instruction or warning |
| 20:56.20 | amro | like on dangerous machinery, "NE PAS TOUCHER" |
| 20:56.49 | amro | if you conjugate it, ne pas sandwich the verb |
| 20:56.56 | amro | e.g. "ne touchez pas" |
| 20:57.20 | Ginji | Omg! I got kicked from a random group! |
| 20:57.22 | amro | you can say "ne pas m'ignorer" (r not z) |
| 20:57.24 | Ginji | How very random! |
| 20:57.35 | amro | I guess that's why they call it a random group? |
| 21:01.14 | Ginji | I didn't even get a warning |
| 21:01.20 | Ginji | Hell, I don't even know the reason |
| 21:01.25 | Ginji | WTB blacklist |
| 21:07.10 | Dagmar | They probably wanted someone better geared |
| 21:07.17 | Dagmar | Be sure and queue while naked. |
| 21:07.20 | Adys | Shirik: purl got it right |
| 21:07.44 | Dagmar | Just teleport right in, run ten yards forward, then turn around and /danced |
| 21:07.45 | amro | Adys: what's the base form called again? |
| 21:07.50 | Adys | infinitif? |
| 21:07.53 | amro | yeah |
| 21:08.00 | Adys | infinitif. |
| 21:08.10 | amro | oh, thanks. |
| 21:08.28 | Dagmar | If you want to be sure you'll top the meters, that right there is the way to queue |
| 21:09.20 | Adys | Shirik|AFK: also, "ne m'ignores pas" if its common form |
| 21:09.23 | Adys | whatever its called |
| 21:10.23 | amro | -te form |
| 21:10.35 | Adys | the what? |
| 21:11.00 | amro | -te form, as in é£ã¹ã¦ |
| 21:11.09 | Adys | thank you unicodeman |
| 21:11.16 | amro | anytime. |
| 21:13.53 | Adys | amro |
| 21:13.59 | Adys | this scene doesnt make sens |
| 21:14.20 | Adys | power gets cut off and like.. 6 laptops get turned off |
| 21:14.24 | Adys | LAPTOPS |
| 21:14.31 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 21:15.12 | ckknight_ | Adys: wth? |
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| 21:15.16 | amro | the outage was preceded by a powerful surge that fried all the circuitry. |
| 21:15.25 | Adys | no it didnt |
| 21:15.30 | Lopeppeppy | None of them were charged, they were all without batteries |
| 21:15.32 | Adys | when the power came back on, all the laptops came back on too |
| 21:15.32 | amro | don't ask me how they still worked after the power came back on |
| 21:16.19 | zenzelezz | maybe they ran on wireless power |
| 21:17.18 | amro | or maybe the writers are idiots. |
| 21:18.23 | Adys | the writers seem to think that the laptop screens are lightbulbs |
| 21:18.31 | Adys | when power is unstable, they flicker. |
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| 21:18.57 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 21:19.35 | Lunessa | http://punditkitchen.com/2009/12/17/political-pictures-arnold-schwarzenegger-purchase-movies/ |
| 21:20.19 | ckknight | Adys: ugh. |
| 21:21.35 | Lopeppeppy | I'm hungry! |
| 21:24.03 | Arrowmaster | Adys: what are you watching? |
| 21:24.09 | Adys | sga |
| 21:24.50 | Arrowmaster | maybe the batteries died and they cant get replacements so they are running them on AC |
| 21:25.01 | Arrowmaster | ive got a laptop right now i do that with |
| 21:25.05 | zenzelezz | is that the one with MacGyver? |
| 21:25.12 | Adys | yeah zenzelezz |
| 21:25.13 | amro | no, that's sg-1 |
| 21:25.25 | Adys | Arrowmaster: 6 different laptops in a high-tech lab |
| 21:25.33 | amro | Arrowmaster: this is s5, they have continuous supply missions |
| 21:26.28 | Arrowmaster | im not in the mood to plugin my other desktop and find my sga files |
| 21:26.50 | Adys | s5e5 |
| 21:28.21 | Fisker | yawn |
| 21:28.28 | Fisker | i need 14000 rep with ashen verdict |
| 21:28.39 | bleeter_ | I guess the Ninja Raiders video's been linked before, yeah? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB8iu8V99HY |
| 21:29.53 | amro | for the love of god, wht can't youtube afford a new flash player? |
| 21:29.58 | amro | it's so bad |
| 21:30.29 | durcyn | they're holding out for HTML5 <video> elements |
| 21:31.16 | amro | that's not an excuse, they have one of the worst players on the web |
| 21:31.21 | durcyn | unforunately, mozilla refuses to support H.264, and microsoft is still trying to figure out how to spell HTML5 |
| 21:31.33 | durcyn | there are greasemonkey scripts to force it, though |
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| 21:34.47 | nevcairiel | h.264 is not a open format |
| 21:35.10 | nevcairiel | reason enough for a OSS prjoect |
| 21:35.19 | durcyn | never said it was |
| 21:35.40 | durcyn | i'm more annoyed at apple for refusing to support ogv just because they've got that stupid h264 decoder chip in their phones |
| 21:35.54 | durcyn | so you end up having to double up the video elements just to get it to work everywhere |
| 21:36.37 | durcyn | nevermind that firefox is also the only browser that properly supports the autobuffer and autoplay parameters, /sigh |
| 21:36.57 | bleeter | I don't get why everyone doesn't help the BBC with Dirac |
| 21:39.37 | amro | the british have cooties |
| 21:39.59 | bleeter | what's worse... they're european cooties |
| 21:43.29 | Fisker | any other nameplate modifications than aloft? |
| 21:44.09 | durcyn | tidyplates, innit? |
| 21:45.20 | Arrowmaster | see the simple solution is to just pressure MPEG to release the patents on h264, or make an exemption for browsers, so that firefox and other browsers can support it |
| 21:45.41 | durcyn | your definition of 'simple' is.. quaint. |
| 21:46.03 | Arrowmaster | apple + google + microsoft > MPEG |
| 21:46.05 | Arrowmaster | its simple |
| 21:46.36 | Fisker | why do all those jerks post on wowi! |
| 21:46.46 | Lunessa | Oh hello there. You have patents from which you make an income. Please surrender them so I can see higher-quality movies of cats in boxes and porn on the internet. Thank you. |
| 21:46.54 | Fisker | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw29894.jpg <-that's so cute |
| 21:47.37 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: considering MPEGs licensing plans it would be better for everybody if they did surrender the patents |
| 21:48.15 | foxlit | Or someone could just buy a license. |
| 21:48.18 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 21:48.20 | Fisker | agree with me or die |
| 21:48.24 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: All I'm saying is ... snowball, hell zero chance to succeed. "All Our Patents Are Belong to Us. Bitches." |
| 21:49.24 | foxlit | Fisker: is there a method to that madness? |
| 21:49.57 | Fisker | wut? |
| 21:50.02 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: google and apple already licensed it, microsoft is oblivious |
| 21:50.17 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: and all three compete with mozilla, how is it in their best interest to help them out? |
| 21:50.28 | durcyn | hell, apple wrote the damn spec even. |
| 21:51.00 | Arrowmaster | well if theres no agreement then its all pointless since nobody will even use it |
| 21:51.07 | foxlit | So, question. |
| 21:51.19 | foxlit | If I lock the client in an infinite loop while falling, do I still take fall damage? |
| 21:51.37 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: probably |
| 21:52.03 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: everyone but mozilla is already using it, is the point |
| 21:52.22 | Arrowmaster | the browsers maybe, but no sites are using it |
| 21:52.38 | foxlit | the tube(s) use it!@ |
| 21:52.44 | foxlit | Or can use it, but do not. |
| 21:52.55 | durcyn | youtube smartphone clients are all mpeg4 streams |
| 21:53.09 | nevcairiel | Who cares if other browsers use it, if the browser with the biggest share doesnt |
| 21:53.44 | foxlit | Same people who design web pages that do not render properly in IE. |
| 21:53.48 | foxlit | Presumably. |
| 21:54.10 | amro | didn't IE lose biggest share status recently? |
| 21:54.13 | durcyn | depends on which measurement of market share nev's talking about, since Firefox reportedly passed IE this week |
| 21:54.14 | nevcairiel | besides Chrome supports bose theora and h.264 |
| 21:54.22 | foxlit | Only if you're talking about individual versions, maro. |
| 21:54.23 | nevcairiel | *both |
| 21:54.24 | Arrowmaster | the entire point of the standard was for there to be a standard, without having a standard codec to use it does make it completely pointless since everybody is going to still have to implement fallbacks so most just wont even bother with it and use the stuff that works everywhere |
| 21:54.27 | foxlit | s/mar/amr/ |
| 21:54.48 | durcyn | the standard lacks balls, arrow. defining a method but not a format was a cop-out. |
| 21:54.59 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: does the HTML standard also define usable image formats? |
| 21:55.19 | Arrowmaster | W3C does |
| 21:55.20 | nevcairiel | Opera declines H.264 as well |
| 21:55.35 | nevcairiel | Who is blocking Theora now? Only apple, right? |
| 21:55.45 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 21:55.48 | cbreak | blocking? |
| 21:55.53 | nevcairiel | they refuse to use it |
| 21:56.05 | cbreak | I have no problems using theora on my mac |
| 21:56.07 | nevcairiel | Chrome and firefox support Theora, MS is completly ignorant to both |
| 21:56.10 | cbreak | mplayer ftw |
| 21:56.18 | Arrowmaster | google supports both but refuses to use theora on any of their sites |
| 21:56.20 | nevcairiel | we don't talk about stand alone players <.< |
| 21:56.30 | nevcairiel | browser integration without plugins |
| 21:56.33 | cbreak | oh... quicktime... :/ |
| 21:56.35 | nevcairiel | html5 video |
| 21:57.25 | amro | it's a bigger clusterfuck than ecmascript |
| 21:57.50 | amro | does anyone know of a definitive resource on C++ unicode? |
| 21:58.19 | Lunessa | Must... inflict... neural... damage .... *gasp* www.shutupwomangetonmyhorse.com |
| 21:58.49 | durcyn | nevcairiel: i can see apple's point, though, they went to the trouble of getting their format in, built phones with specialized decoders for it and everything |
| 21:59.07 | durcyn | someone just needs to donate a patent license to mozilla |
| 21:59.15 | Arrowmaster | they cant |
| 21:59.28 | amro | durcyn: other browsers would still be screwed |
| 21:59.29 | Arrowmaster | just a patent license to mozilla would still violate the gpl |
| 21:59.30 | nevcairiel | mozilla isnt refusing to pay the money, they are refusing to use a prop codec |
| 21:59.36 | amro | such as embedded browsers |
| 22:00.05 | durcyn | meh, surely there's an LGPL implementation of H.264 |
| 22:00.14 | nevcairiel | opera seems to simply be refusing to pay money, though |
| 22:00.29 | Arrowmaster | there are but they are still only legal in countries that dont have patents on H.264 |
| 22:00.41 | nevcairiel | hooray for the EU |
| 22:00.46 | nevcairiel | screw your software patents! |
| 22:00.52 | durcyn | right, which reduces it back to a licensing issue |
| 22:01.13 | durcyn | no matter how snooty the mozilla foundation feels like being |
| 22:01.21 | Arrowmaster | no go read the GPL |
| 22:02.11 | nevcairiel | same issue with Chrome, only their binary builds have the h.264 codec, chromium builds don't |
| 22:02.25 | Arrowmaster | if mozilla purchased a license they would be in violation of the GPL because only they have a license, not everybody that receives the firefox source |
| 22:03.43 | durcyn | i thought that only applied at compile-time |
| 22:03.52 | theorbtwo | The GPL (v2) only says that Mozilla cannot object to you compiling it, not that nobdoy else will object. |
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| 22:04.46 | durcyn | i certainly agree that it's onerous to disallow linking of H264 libraries in an 'unofficial' compile, but i don't see how that disallows distribution of the binaries with support included |
| 22:04.51 | nevcairiel | how does x264 deal with that anyway? Is it just illegal in the US? :P |
| 22:05.00 | durcyn | it's certainly more pragmatic than 'fuck you, no <video> for you' |
| 22:05.21 | nevcairiel | We could just not use a proprietary codec |
| 22:05.48 | durcyn | what i've seen done is two <video> elements, one with mp4 and one with ogv |
| 22:06.00 | durcyn | the unsupported one just doesn't render |
| 22:06.09 | nevcairiel | what happens in chrome? |
| 22:06.18 | durcyn | you get both. |
| 22:06.22 | nevcairiel | fun :) |
| 22:06.35 | durcyn | which only sucks because chrome ignores autobuffer=false |
| 22:07.13 | durcyn | so they both stuff the cache, yay? |
| 22:07.37 | Dagmar | Basically what you should be saying is "eff the people tight-fisting the patents on h.264" |
| 22:07.42 | nevcairiel | " In simple terms, LGPL and GPL licenses version 3.0 and above require that any rights held in conjunction with distributing the code also apply to anyone receiving the code" |
| 22:07.46 | Dagmar | That's what's causing all the drama. |
| 22:07.47 | nevcairiel | no deal with any licensing :p |
| 22:08.07 | nevcairiel | excerpt from h.264 gpl section on wikipedia |
| 22:08.50 | durcyn | x264 is GPL-2, mozilla products are MPL |
| 22:08.57 | durcyn | GPL/LGPL 3 doesn't enter in |
| 22:09.06 | Arrowmaster | mizilla products are tri-licensed |
| 22:09.09 | Arrowmaster | mozilla |
| 22:09.29 | nevcairiel | I'm sure some other clause in older versions applys too |
| 22:09.39 | theorbtwo | Sounds like what you should be doing is just using a <video> tag that goes ogv -- who doesn't support ogv? |
| 22:09.46 | Arrowmaster | apple |
| 22:09.52 | nevcairiel | apple is just bitching |
| 22:10.04 | Arrowmaster | apple on their browsers, google on their sites |
| 22:10.35 | nevcairiel | do flash movie players actually support ogv? |
| 22:10.37 | durcyn | apple has no reason to support ogv |
| 22:10.55 | Arrowmaster | theres probably some that do |
| 22:11.09 | nevcairiel | other browsers have no reason to go through patents and licensing to support h.264 |
| 22:11.16 | amro | ^ |
| 22:11.19 | durcyn | which brings us to the current quagmire, yes |
| 22:11.26 | nevcairiel | small webkit based browsers would never be able to support h.264 |
| 22:11.29 | Dagmar | It's nothing but jackassery to put forth something you've patent-restricted as an international standard. |
| 22:11.35 | nevcairiel | while ogv they could implement |
| 22:11.44 | Dagmar | Apple are just assholes for not supporting Ogg-Vorbis because they have Quicktime. |
| 22:11.50 | Dagmar | Do not believe a word they say about it. |
| 22:11.50 | durcyn | er |
| 22:11.52 | Arrowmaster | pretty much the entire thing boils down to html5 was a complete and total waste of time |
| 22:11.53 | Dagmar | They're lying. |
| 22:12.09 | durcyn | it's not a matter of lies, the logic there is very clear cut |
| 22:12.15 | nevcairiel | They dont want to support ogv because they pushed h.264 hardware to their smart phones |
| 22:12.31 | durcyn | ^ |
| 22:12.38 | Dagmar | Every time you turn around one of Apple's reps are fudding about how xiph's stuff violates patents, even though it's been demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is not the case. |
| 22:12.59 | Dagmar | They don't want to support ogg because it's a competitor to quicktime |
| 22:13.07 | Arrowmaster | solution is to just abolish software patents worldwide |
| 22:13.07 | amro | I think we can all agree that <video> = clusterfuck |
| 22:13.14 | Dagmar | Quicktime _uses_ h.264 |
| 22:13.30 | nevcairiel | its just a video format, how can it be a competitor? |
| 22:13.34 | Dagmar | I say, fuck the commercial companies. |
| 22:13.35 | nevcairiel | quicktime supports various other formats |
| 22:13.41 | Arrowmaster | even real video is using h.264 now |
| 22:13.58 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: because every time you install the codec for Qt files, they have a chance to ask you if you want to install iTunes, again |
| 22:14.18 | durcyn | though there was a peep out of the USPTO earlier about new tests for software patents that may go some way towards clearing this up |
| 22:14.18 | Dagmar | They also have a chance to ask you if you want to pay some money for Quicktime Pro. |
| 22:14.26 | nevcairiel | new quicktime movies are just h.264 and can be decoded by any other h.264 player |
| 22:14.42 | Arrowmaster | well the player has to have a .mov splitter |
| 22:14.43 | nevcairiel | well maybe not any, but a good one anyway |
| 22:14.48 | Dagmar | Apple really isn't any better than Microsoft about wanting to use proprietary, patent-restricted everythings just to lock you into their formats and software. |
| 22:15.02 | Arrowmaster | apple is worse |
| 22:15.29 | Arrowmaster | microsoft just wants to bruteforce you with marketshare |
| 22:15.30 | Dagmar | But basically their _greed_ is why they won't back the _actually open and fully as useful_ xiph formats |
| 22:15.47 | Dagmar | So screw them. They're holding back the advancement of tachnology as a whole. |
| 22:16.06 | Arrowmaster | theora is actually better than h264 at lower bitrates |
| 22:16.10 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 22:16.18 | Arrowmaster | but h264 wins at high bitrates |
| 22:16.27 | nevcairiel | for very high quality h264 wins, but for web, theora is equal or even a bit better |
| 22:16.45 | Dagmar | I doubt that the high-end bitrates are really going to be that much of an issue for browsers for awhile yet |
| 22:17.08 | durcyn | in other news, what's wrong with this picture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLRPGJ8sDbU |
| 22:17.20 | nevcairiel | people bring up youtube and their planned 720p streaming |
| 22:17.56 | Arrowmaster | youtube can barely even stream hq videos right now without buffering |
| 22:17.58 | Dagmar | I like how they all shake hands with each other after the bell rings. |
| 22:18.07 | Dagmar | Like, "WE RUNG DA BELL DERE WE DID GUD" |
| 22:19.10 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Half the time I get buffering delays on YouTube for the crap throughput |
| 22:19.28 | Fisker | kills Dagmar |
| 22:19.34 | Arrowmaster | thats what im referring to |
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| 22:20.10 | Dagmar | I wasn't talking about HQ videos |
| 22:20.21 | Dagmar | I was talking about just the run-of-the-mill crap videos |
| 22:20.46 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah that too, but its more noticeable on hq |
| 22:21.35 | Dagmar | I don't know when was the last time I looked at something on failblog.org or cuteoverload that didn't buffer like mad |
| 22:21.54 | Dagmar | ...and this includes at the office with the I2 backbone and the pipes large enough to bring the QEII in through |
| 22:22.04 | Dagmar | ..so I know it's not an issue on my end. |
| 22:25.40 | _rane | sigh, when is blizzard going to fix the combat log breaking bug :| |
| 22:25.52 | nevcairiel | probably never |
| 22:26.07 | nevcairiel | its a desync issue/race condition, those are hard to catch |
| 22:26.25 | Dagmar | n=coderdad@ip72-200-214-240.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #sparkfun |
| 22:26.44 | durcyn | tell us more. |
| 22:27.02 | foxlit | Dagmar: youtube throttles streams |
| 22:27.12 | Dagmar | ... ikarus is nSo what |
| 22:27.16 | Dagmar | er So what |
| 22:27.31 | foxlit | Actually, it's kind of weird -- I can see that it throttles streams for browsers, but my download script seems to get bypass URLs. |
| 22:27.49 | Dagmar | That's common. |
| 22:28.27 | foxlit | One wonders why they'd bother. |
| 22:28.32 | Dagmar | I used to run a squid proxy *just* because other caching accellerators would ignore throttling restrictions when sending content to other caches, on the assumption that a cache will in turn serve more people than just me. |
| 22:31.02 | foxlit | I don't make any particular effort to identify as something else. |
| 22:33.16 | Dagmar | I wouldn't call running a caching proxy making some king of effort to "identify as something else" |
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| 22:42.18 | foxlit | running a proxy is an effort, and it identifies as something other than a browser. |
| 22:42.50 | foxlit | Was mainly referring to me standing browser UA headers, though. |
| 22:43.24 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/43619/monster-staff-dalaran-red/ - Anyone has any idea how to have "-40 - 3 Damage" on a single line in the tooltip, while still keeping a padding next to "Speed 3.00" ? |
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| 22:46.27 | Gnarfoz | Adys: -40? ;D |
| 22:46.41 | amro | it heals. |
| 22:46.49 | amro | hence the Classes: Priest |
| 22:49.28 | foxlit | Adys: minimal width |
| 22:49.55 | foxlit | -40 - 3 isn't actually as long as say "97 - 311" |
| 22:50.41 | Adys | someone solved it on #chromium |
| 22:50.44 | Adys | overflow: hidden |
| 22:51.23 | foxlit | That's a very weird suggestion. |
| 22:51.30 | foxlit | Does it work? |
| 22:53.21 | Ginji | Since when is the dollar worth more then the euro!?! |
| 22:53.55 | Ginji | silly blizzard |
| 22:54.49 | Adys | foxlit: yep it does, surprisingly |
| 22:55.21 | Adys | and apparently thats according to spec, even though I cant find anything about overflow changing the object size in the spec |
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| 23:09.54 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/43093/monster-staff-dalaran/ |
| 23:09.56 | Adys | it works \o/ |
| 23:10.41 | Dagmar | Works for _what_ tho |
| 23:11.03 | foxlit | Quite amazing. |
| 23:14.55 | WobWork | Adys: You might want to colour the -x -y Damage section a different colour |
| 23:15.00 | WobWork | to tie the numbers and word together |
| 23:15.16 | Adys | eh? |
| 23:15.18 | WobWork | cause just looking at it without knowing what it does, the overflow is not linked |
| 23:15.28 | foxlit | WobWork: force refresh |
| 23:15.37 | Adys | oh yeah its the bug i was fixing |
| 23:15.46 | Adys | untested in non-webkit tho |
| 23:15.55 | WobWork | oh I'm looking on FF |
| 23:16.08 | Adys | spare a screenshot? |
| 23:16.15 | Adys | (do force refresh tho) |
| 23:16.22 | WobWork | ah, looks fine on chrome |
| 23:16.38 | Adys | to be really honest i dont think chrome is doing it right |
| 23:16.44 | foxlit | Basically looks the same as without overflow: hidden on webkit |
| 23:17.00 | foxlit | -40 - 3\nDamage |
| 23:17.09 | WobWork | http://screencast.com/t/MzczMmEwZ |
| 23:17.11 | Adys | WobWork: got firebug? |
| 23:17.17 | WobWork | aye |
| 23:17.17 | Adys | or foxlit |
| 23:17.40 | Adys | what does it look like with white-space: nowrap; added to .damage_1 |
| 23:17.45 | Adys | .tti-damage_1 even |
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| 23:18.41 | WobWork | http://screencast.com/t/MGVlY2ZmZG |
| 23:18.43 | foxlit | It doesn't wrap |
| 23:18.52 | foxlit | But it won't expand the box either |
| 23:18.58 | Adys | grmm |
| 23:18.59 | foxlit | So it'll just be "-40 - 3 Dam" |
| 23:19.11 | WobWork | it overlaps for me |
| 23:19.18 | foxlit | Removing overflow:hidden expands the box, but does not respect the margin/padding on Speed 3.00 |
| 23:19.28 | foxlit | [or, rather, shows the entire text] |
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| 23:19.42 | WobWork | oh added |
| 23:19.44 | Adys | ill do a reduction if Im bored enough |
| 23:19.44 | WobWork | yeah |
| 23:20.18 | WobWork | http://screencast.com/t/ZjMzNTcz is with both hidden and nowrap |
| 23:20.41 | WobWork | (Man, I love Jing) |
| 23:21.01 | WobWork | makes screenshot discussions a breeze |
| 23:21.41 | Adys | Firefox behaviour looks correct |
| 23:22.16 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/wulff/1465/20091222.gif |
| 23:30.26 | WobWork | mikma: Alex looks FAAAABULOUS! |
| 23:32.09 | Kraps | http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6348/wtffailtard.jpg |
| 23:32.29 | Cide | I'm seeing the same thing as WobWork in chrome |
| 23:32.43 | Adys | Cide: ctrl-f5 |
| 23:32.46 | Adys | caching is terribad |
| 23:32.50 | Cide | better |
| 23:32.54 | Cide | I had never viewed it though |
| 23:33.05 | Adys | yeah |
| 23:33.07 | Adys | its squid |
| 23:33.10 | Cide | ah |
| 23:33.22 | Adys | Kraps: he respecced, forgot to put back his talent points |
| 23:33.27 | Cide | add no-cache headers for dev? :P |
| 23:33.33 | Adys | yeah its fail. but it happens to everyone |
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| 23:34.55 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/44851/thanksgiving-cookbook/ |
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| 23:35.00 | Adys | anyone has any idea what that book is? |
| 23:35.15 | Jerub | Adys: it's a container full of recipies |
| 23:35.36 | Cide | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJqoRaphiEk |
| 23:35.46 | Adys | i couldnt find it on live servers |
| 23:36.09 | Cide | you may want to fast forward to 0:40 |
| 23:36.25 | Jerub | Adys: ? you only play on PTR? |
| 23:36.27 | WobWork | It was a pilgrim's thingie only item |
| 23:36.29 | Thunder_Child | Adys: it was only for the holiday |
| 23:36.32 | Dagmar | That's because it's come and gone, I suspect. |
| 23:36.37 | Adys | Jerub: no, its straight out of armory |
| 23:36.43 | Adys | Dagmar: its not on wowhead/thottbot |
| 23:36.53 | WobWork | It was Blizzards method to powerlevel cooking =P |
| 23:37.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yummy powerlevel cooking! |
| 23:37.06 | Dagmar | They replaced it with a container that had the four recipes in it |
| 23:37.11 | foxlit | Might be what they were testing prior to the actual live |
| 23:37.20 | Dagmar | ...so I'm guessing it's just a legacy entry now. |
| 23:37.21 | foxlit | I don't think what we got on live was a Use: book. |
| 23:37.46 | WobWork | Jerub: Every time I see TommyBres on #australia... I think... Tommy... battle... res? |
| 23:43.01 | Jerub | also, freaking hell togc10 faction champs is a hard fight |
| 23:43.13 | Jerub | i mean, i've never beaten a fight in togc anything, but FC is brutal. |
| 23:43.22 | foxlit | moo? |
| 23:44.20 | foxlit | I've never done that at the right gear level, I suppose. |
| 23:44.39 | foxlit | They seem to be a snoozefest on both 10 and 25 grand trials. |
| 23:44.47 | foxlit | Especially once you've killed a few. |
| 23:49.56 | Jerub | i guess so. |
| 23:50.17 | Jerub | i pug all my high end raids. gives me a skewed perspective. |
| 23:50.27 | foxlit | pugs are hard! |
| 23:50.50 | foxlit | toc10 is probably doable, but I wouldn't want to be in a togc10 pug |
| 23:51.07 | Jerub | i've pugged all the way through toc10 and toc25 |
| 23:51.19 | Jerub | only beat anub once though, and that was a few days ago. |
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| 23:55.04 | Jerub | i think i'm going to try and pug uld25 this week for the weekly quest. |
| 23:55.11 | Jerub | (xt) |
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| 23:56.39 | ajmitch | Jerub: you're lucky, we got malygos |
| 23:57.26 | cbreak | it's funny that you can do the weekly quest twice |
| 23:57.28 | Jerub | heh, my guild did malygos last week for shits and giggles. |
| 23:57.32 | Jerub | cbreak: 4 times. |
| 23:57.37 | cbreak | how? |
| 23:57.41 | Jerub | cbreak: twice before reset, twice after. |
| 23:57.53 | Jerub | provided you're not saved from the previous week. |
| 23:57.55 | cbreak | there are only two resets per week |
| 23:58.08 | cbreak | of the weekly quest |
| 23:58.14 | cbreak | so you can only get it twice? |
| 23:58.18 | Jerub | weekly quest resets tuesday, raid locks reset wednesday |
| 23:58.40 | Jerub | i mean, clearly you can't hand it in 4 times, but you can do the raid related to the quest 4 separate times. |
| 23:58.45 | cbreak | apparently the quest resets on tuesday and wednesday |
| 23:58.55 | Jerub | uh, no? |
| 23:59.16 | Jerub | I did the raid quest on tuesday last week. |
| 23:59.28 | Jerub | and then couldn't get it again on wednesday |
| 23:59.33 | cbreak | hmm. |
| 23:59.47 | cbreak | I haven't tried it myself so far |
| 23:59.53 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2EK6iYqsuE |
| 23:59.54 | Jerub | but i went and tanked it for another group on friday just because i hate seeing tank shortages. |
| 23:59.58 | foxlit | They just borked the EU weekly reset of some things |
