| 00:01.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, snowflakes! |
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| 00:03.57 | Wobin | http://www.tomscott.com/weather/starwars/ |
| 00:03.59 | Wobin | hehe |
| 00:19.14 | Liquidora1 | industrial: can you link me your automatic quest addon? does it work for 3.3 ? |
| 00:22.29 | Polarina | lol! I got outbid on an AH item and in the mail, I got a copy, a [Plain Letter], and it reads E9E28C:250:0:78:12. Does anyone know what that represents? |
| 00:23.07 | Lopeppeppy | I thought one wasn't supposed to get mail with auction house things anymore? |
| 00:23.21 | Polarina | It happened. |
| 00:23.36 | Polarina | And auction house mails are still used, apparently. |
| 00:27.47 | AbsolutRayne_ | ZzZz |
| 00:28.16 | industrial | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7091-idQuestAutomation.html |
| 00:28.18 | industrial | Liquidora1: and yes, it does |
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| 00:32.50 | industrial | Looking for enhancement shamans (or someone willing to test) |
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| 00:35.50 | Liquidora1 | industrial: use 3 other spells for testing with your own class? |
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| 00:36.55 | Wobin | industrial, why would an enh shaman use idQA? |
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| 00:38.48 | industrial | Wobin: .. its not really class bound is it? |
| 00:39.19 | Wobin | which is why I'm asking why you specifically need enh shamans to test |
| 00:39.36 | industrial | Wobin: I need them to test my new HUD addon, read up if you want ^^ |
| 00:39.40 | industrial | Liquidora1: I just want to see if you can instantly use it and know what everything does |
| 00:39.54 | industrial | because I'm not going to include any readme besides 'this is a hud look screenie' |
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| 00:40.37 | Wobin | wait, what addon are we testing? |
| 00:40.52 | Kraps | win or fail, ymmv http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230413042200#ht_534wt_1117 |
| 00:40.59 | Wobin | I think I came in late to the convo |
| 00:41.07 | industrial | Wobin: idShamanHUD |
| 00:41.14 | industrial | Wobin: Liquidora1 just asked for the link to idqa |
| 00:41.14 | Wobin | link? |
| 00:41.18 | industrial | sec |
| 00:42.05 | Liquidora1 | well still doesn't make any sense as to why it has to be an enh shaman testing it though |
| 00:42.28 | industrial | because the cooldown spells are hardcoded for enhancement shaman? |
| 00:42.44 | industrial | Wobin: http://www.darkwired.nl/~industrial/idShamanHUD.zip |
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| 00:43.52 | Liquidora1 | Yes and? |
| 00:43.55 | truedego | quick question, arg1:lower():match("^ding") would that match to any version of the text DING when its read? |
| 00:44.11 | Liquidora1 | It's a matter of a mere find&replace for 3/4 spells :) |
| 00:44.34 | haste | truedego: yes, it would also match dingalot |
| 00:44.46 | truedego | haste: freakin sweet |
| 00:44.51 | industrial | Liquidora1: well I'd give every class a different method for fetching the next best spell but yes |
| 00:45.00 | truedego | haste: ty |
| 00:45.07 | industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/fe677945e468321dcfe3f6a2a0376e97.jpg |
| 00:45.11 | industrial | its the thingy above my char |
| 00:51.05 | Wobin | what sort of feedback do you want? |
| 00:51.30 | Wobin | cause I can either whack on a training dummy |
| 00:51.38 | Wobin | or line up for a lfd |
| 00:52.42 | industrial | no just a dummy :P |
| 00:53.29 | industrial | I just need someone to say 'why yes, its usable, gratslulz' |
| 00:55.19 | Wobin | hm |
| 00:55.24 | Wobin | have it not suggest lightning bolt |
| 00:55.32 | Wobin | if you don't have stormstrike charges up |
| 00:56.33 | Legorol | ok, i'm an evil evil troll |
| 00:56.41 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, yes you are. :P |
| 00:56.53 | Legorol | my alts are in a friendly social guild... and i just struck up a conversation about gearscore there |
| 00:57.05 | Legorol | i pretended i have no idea what it is, and trying to elicit people to explain coherently what it is |
| 00:57.09 | Legorol | turns out, noone can |
| 00:57.40 | industrial | Wobin: good idea |
| 00:57.41 | Legorol | i have no idea how the conversation eventually got here, but my last question was: "so it's like CTRA or oRA?" |
| 00:57.58 | Lopeppeppy | Oh jeebus |
| 00:58.00 | Legorol | to which i got the answer: "works by the same principle but are crap" |
| 00:58.09 | Wobin | there's also the point where stormstrike and others have a similar cooldown |
| 00:58.17 | Liquidora1 | gearscore is just a measurement of your avarage item level |
| 00:58.23 | Wobin | and it's worth more to wait a fraction of a second longer to hit SS |
| 00:58.23 | Legorol | Liquidora1: i know what it is :P |
| 00:58.34 | Liquidora1 | oh |
| 00:58.40 | Liquidora1 | didn't read the "i pretended" part |
| 00:58.45 | Wobin | so have SS have a higher priority if the cooldown is within, say half a second or a second of another |
| 00:58.48 | Legorol | at the heart of the confusion lies the fact that the word "GearScore" ambiguously refers both to an AddOn, as well as the quantitative measure produced by said AddOn |
| 00:59.03 | ZorbaTHut | I've heard gearscore has gotten better since, and is no longer pure item level |
| 00:59.08 | ZorbaTHut | don't know if that's true or not |
| 00:59.19 | Legorol | so when one person told me it's an addon, and another told me it's required in pugs, i surmised that: "so in pugs its mandatory to have this addon"? |
| 00:59.26 | Legorol | that confused them a bit |
| 00:59.32 | Liquidora1 | ehm are we talking about the term gear score or you referring to some addon that I don't know of? |
| 00:59.39 | Wobin | industrial, also, have it hide on my resto spec? =) |
| 00:59.56 | ZorbaTHut | the term does not necessarily have anything to do with item level at all |
| 00:59.57 | Legorol | Liquidora1: the term "GearScore" originally refers to an addon by that name |
| 01:00.01 | Liquidora1 | !google wow addon gearscore |
| 01:00.02 | batbot | Liquidora1: GearScore - Addons - Curse <http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/nvgearscore.aspx> |
| 01:00.05 | ZorbaTHut | the addon used to be item level, and, I hear, is no longer that simple |
| 01:00.09 | Legorol | that addon calculates a quantity called, you guessed it, GearScore! |
| 01:00.23 | Wobin | industrial, other than that, it looks good =) |
| 01:00.32 | Wobin | although one other thing |
| 01:00.38 | Legorol | so Liquidora1, "gearscore" is both an addon as well as a quantity |
| 01:00.42 | Wobin | if you could put the hotkey numbers on the icons, that'd be even better |
| 01:00.52 | Liquidora1 | industrial: does it have to be enh specific? :P give us the options to set our own rotation ! |
| 01:00.59 | industrial | Wobin: yeah I was thinking about that |
| 01:01.04 | Liquidora1 | just have a database of spells :< |
| 01:01.11 | industrial | Liquidora1: ho goad no options |
| 01:01.21 | Liquidora1 | ho goad? |
| 01:01.21 | industrial | Liquidora1: the thing is every class has different needs for every step |
| 01:01.24 | A-KO | wow |
| 01:01.25 | A-KO | just wow |
| 01:01.29 | A-KO | my guild just proved how bad they are |
| 01:01.37 | Liquidora1 | did they invite you? |
| 01:01.39 | ZorbaTHut | and many classes don't even have rotations |
| 01:01.48 | industrial | Liquidora1: 'oh god' but mangled by me .. |
| 01:02.02 | Liquidora1 | industrial: heh you and your no-options policy :P |
| 01:02.05 | A-KO | no, not quite--one of the officers asked me what my off spec was, because she didn't want this really bad healer we have to sit out of this 10 man raid. |
| 01:02.13 | ZorbaTHut | I actually need to play a class with a real rotation at some point |
| 01:02.21 | A-KO | and she actually invited him to heal |
| 01:02.22 | Lopeppeppy | No one gets better without experience. |
| 01:02.22 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut, It's fun! |
| 01:02.23 | industrial | Liquidora1: for example MM hunter needs serpent sting up on the target before chimaera shot |
| 01:02.29 | A-KO | and tried to sit me out to one of the worst players in the guild |
| 01:02.30 | ZorbaTHut | I seem to keep gravitating towards rotationless classes |
| 01:02.34 | mikma | industrial: http://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_121509_175955.jpg :/ |
| 01:02.43 | Liquidora1 | industrial: hence the options ! |
| 01:02.48 | Wobin | hm |
| 01:02.50 | Wobin | mages? |
| 01:03.00 | Wobin | I'm fairly sure warlocks have to set up curses and stuff |
| 01:03.02 | Legorol | A-KO: depends how social the guild is, and what the rewards are for performance. In many guilds performance doesn't earn you spots above other people. |
| 01:03.11 | Wobin | mages have a rotation too depending on spec, I guess |
| 01:03.22 | Lopeppeppy | And no one gets better without practice. In raids. Real raids. Real practice. |
| 01:03.23 | Wobin | no idea about pallies |
| 01:03.28 | Legorol | and in many cases, that's a good thing too! if you always took the best performing people, your worst would not get spots and never get gear/improve |
| 01:03.31 | Legorol | and the gap widens |
| 01:03.33 | Wobin | what classes are you playing Zman? |
| 01:03.39 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly, Legorol. |
| 01:03.43 | ZorbaTHut | right now I've got a warrior (priority system) and a druid (keep up debuffs, wrath until the beginning of eclipse->starfire until the beginning of eclipse->etc) |
| 01:03.52 | A-KO | Legorol: He took his frost badges and bought a primordial saronite to sell in the AH instead of saving it to upgrade his g ear |
| 01:03.59 | A-KO | he's terrible |
| 01:04.00 | A-KO | stands in fires |
| 01:04.03 | ZorbaTHut | and I'm leveling a rogue (keep up buffs/debuffs, stab a lot) |
| 01:04.06 | Wobin | oh, I usually read 'priority' as a kind of rotation |
| 01:04.15 | Legorol | A-KO: i believe he is terrible. I'm not saying he should be allowed to raid. |
| 01:04.23 | Wobin | but the whole 'keep up debuffs' is a rotation in itself |
| 01:04.26 | Legorol | but if someone *is* part of the raiding roster of a guild, then they need the chances to raid as much as anyone else |
| 01:04.26 | Wobin | esp with rogues |
| 01:04.30 | Wobin | unless it's changed a lot |
| 01:04.37 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, sure, but as I understand it's rather freeform |
| 01:04.37 | Lopeppeppy | So he will get some lecturing after the raid on what he does wrong. I'm sure that's why he's going -- feedback on actual performance. |
| 01:04.39 | Wobin | since BC >< |
| 01:04.47 | Lopeppeppy | You never know if they've changed if you never let them show you. |
| 01:04.48 | ZorbaTHut | it's not "do this in this order", it's "well what's falling off first" |
| 01:05.00 | ZorbaTHut | that said the rogue is still level 40 so he's got a ways to go. |
| 01:05.01 | Wobin | hm, the only class I can think of with a concrete rotation is the DK |
| 01:05.03 | Legorol | A-KO: with bad raiders, kick or invite. Don't sit them out imo. |
| 01:05.10 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 01:05.10 | Wobin | well, DPS DK |
| 01:05.20 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I may actually start working on my DK once I'm done with the rogue |
| 01:05.28 | Lopeppeppy | If you're not going to bring them to raids, have the balls to kick them from the group, right up front, and be done. |
| 01:05.29 | mikma | wobin: http://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_121509_175955.jpg ;))) |
| 01:05.36 | Legorol | Having said that, there is a raider in our guild that by god I would love to sit out on the days I'm raiding :o) |
| 01:05.43 | Wobin | tanking DK is much more freeform, cause you have to keep runes free for 'incidents' |
| 01:05.52 | A-KO | Legorol: I agree, the problem is the officers are a bit more "social" than I am |
| 01:05.57 | mikma | wobin: annoying thing is my rotation addon opworks well with melee classes, nit with casters |
| 01:06.02 | Wobin | mikma, that's what I mean |
| 01:06.03 | Legorol | A-KO: there's your problem, wrong guild. Be gone. |
| 01:06.11 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. ^ |
| 01:06.23 | A-KO | well they just recently promoted a female officer |
| 01:06.24 | A-KO | :P |
| 01:06.31 | A-KO | she's the one being all social, etc. |
| 01:06.33 | Lopeppeppy | Um. |
| 01:06.35 | Wobin | oooh, dems fighting words =P |
| 01:06.36 | Legorol | kicks A-KO in the balls. "Don't be sexist" |
| 01:06.36 | ZorbaTHut | I wish there were good serious casual guilds out there. I want a guild that takes raiding seriously and wants to be good at it, but doesn't mind me sitting out for long periods of time |
| 01:06.44 | mikma | trying to even code a rotation-addon to casters is pita |
| 01:06.46 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, Legorol. |
| 01:06.51 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:06.55 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: that's kind of difficult. |
| 01:07.06 | Legorol | That combination is very rare. |
| 01:07.07 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, I dunno, "competent but freeform" doesn't seem impossible |
| 01:07.15 | ZorbaTHut | it's rare, yes, but I can't think of a reason it can't exist |
| 01:07.22 | mikma | i bumped into the "previous spell stll in air when you start casting a new one" -> newer doesnt get registered -problem |
| 01:07.26 | Wobin | well it's more, if you're out for long periods of time, they'll have to gear you up when you come back |
| 01:07.29 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: meh, i pug raids and have a good social guild. |
| 01:07.33 | ZorbaTHut | I should mention this is high on my mind right now because I hopped into an ICC25 for laughs since they needed a DPS |
| 01:07.39 | Legorol | In the few successful guilds that I have seen that subscribe to the "raid only a few hours, but take it very seriously" type, you need to be very committed. |
| 01:07.40 | Wobin | which means they'll essentially have to carry you for a while |
| 01:07.50 | ZorbaTHut | and in ilvl226 gear, was #4 on the damage meters, passing a lot of people with ilvl235-240 |
| 01:08.03 | ZorbaTHut | which just, wtf. |
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| 01:08.23 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: there is a huge hurdle with freeform raiding, and that's having enough people to raid when some decide to sit out, but not too much that people get benched often. |
| 01:08.28 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, true |
| 01:08.29 | Legorol | and that balance is nigh impossible. |
| 01:08.45 | ZorbaTHut | I'm actually thinking goonsquad on mal'ganis may be my best option, since they're big enough that they can actually do that |
| 01:08.48 | Legorol | the balance is even harder to have when you are trying to be very serious at the same time, and here's why: |
| 01:09.22 | Legorol | You are basically trying to ask that every aspect of raiding be taken very seriously, including focus, preparation, skill, knowledge etc., except for one element: time committment. |
| 01:09.27 | Legorol | and that's very very difficult |
| 01:09.28 | ZorbaTHut | note that "serious" is in the sense of "competent, skilled, and willing to do tough progression", not in the sense of "everyone must be incredibly geared". |
| 01:09.44 | Wobin | goonsquad might be a good choice |
| 01:09.45 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i think the hard to play classes (warrior, kitty) allow good players to exceed their gear level expectations :) |
| 01:09.48 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, yeah, pretty much. I have limited time myself and I'd personally like to make the best of it ;) |
| 01:09.56 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, fury warrior is not hard to play :) |
| 01:10.00 | industrial | just be big enough to have two or three raid groups (yes thats big), you can always swap whatever you want that way (but you need more officers, raid leaders and class leaders ofcourse) |
| 01:10.00 | ZorbaTHut | I have like four buttons. |
| 01:10.02 | Wobin | Jerub, that's only cause of scrubs bringing the average down =P |
| 01:10.08 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: at the same time you are asking others to forgive you not turning up, thereby potentially wasting their time. |
| 01:10.11 | Legorol | Paradox imo. |
| 01:10.31 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, in theory, I think the guild would need to be big enough that specific people weren't terribly important. |
| 01:10.32 | Jerub | yay, one person advertising for 2k GS for a H OK run. 10 people advertising low level dungeons for absurd GS. |
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| 01:10.43 | Wobin | Legorol, not so much paradoxical, but hypocritical =) |
| 01:10.45 | Jerub | I <3 Dath'Remar |
| 01:11.05 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, no, I wouldn't be expecting myself to be critical here. you can generally swap players around pretty easy if you've got enough of 'em |
| 01:11.06 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: even if you go for big groups, the idea that you want fluctuation in attendance to be tolerated is still there. |
| 01:11.08 | Lopeppeppy | Raid group alliances work wonders for that sort of organization, always people with alts to make up alt raids. |
| 01:11.12 | Wobin | Jerub, come to Proudmoore! |
| 01:11.12 | Legorol | and it's an issue even with large numbers. |
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| 01:11.15 | ZorbaTHut | "who wants to go do ICC" "hey yo let's do that" bam |
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| 01:11.32 | ZorbaTHut | lope, true, and that's a problem with my server - there's like two raiding guilds that can realistically hit up ICC. |
| 01:11.34 | truedego | is GetWhoInfo the best way to get another players level? |
| 01:11.36 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut, with numbers like that, you're just as likely to miss out when you -do- have time, though |
| 01:11.42 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: to put it more mathematically, you are assuming that with a bigger average, you have smaller variance. Which is not necessarily true. |
| 01:11.48 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, sure, but I'm okay with that. that's part of the deal. |
| 01:11.57 | ZorbaTHut | and with a large enough guild, even that isn't necessarily true |
| 01:12.07 | Wobin | yeah, just do -another- raid |
| 01:12.23 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: you are asserting that higher player count means less variance in said count, which is not true. In my experience the variance scales with the average |
| 01:12.32 | Legorol | CLT doesn't seem to apply to raid attendance :o) |
| 01:12.38 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut, you also have to make sure that you sync with the timezones of most of the players in the guild |
| 01:12.42 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, no, the problem with freeform raiding in small guilds is that there are certain specific numbers you need |
| 01:12.57 | Jerub | Wobin: proudmoore horde or alliance? |
| 01:12.58 | ZorbaTHut | in a very-large guild you can likely self-organize into some combination that works |
| 01:13.10 | Wobin | horde! |
| 01:13.16 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: well in a large guild you are equally likely to be not able to hit a raid size as the number of people who turned up |
| 01:13.21 | ZorbaTHut | trying to form raids is a problem if you have 40 people on. it's not a problem if you have 200. |
| 01:13.39 | Legorol | well true |
| 01:13.40 | Wobin | industrial, I just got massive chaining errors |
| 01:13.43 | Wobin | by switching specs |
| 01:13.47 | Legorol | btw, i feel sorry that your server has only 2 guilds who can do ICC :( |
| 01:13.50 | industrial | nice |
| 01:13.51 | industrial | :D |
| 01:13.55 | Legorol | On my realm, 15 guilds cleared ICC25 in first week |
| 01:13.57 | ZorbaTHut | (there's always that murky edge where people say "yeah, I guess I don't care that much, I'm fine switching out" or "oh, okay, I guess I could raid") |
| 01:14.00 | Legorol | or more, i forget |
| 01:14.39 | industrial | Wobin: I dont know how to implement spec checking yet (just go for feral spirit and if you have it, load?) but I'll do that tomorrow |
| 01:14.45 | A-KO | what's the best way to detect if a player is in a raid versus a party? |
| 01:14.47 | A-KO | getnumraidmembers? |
| 01:14.51 | industrial | bedtiemz -_- |
| 01:14.57 | Wobin | industrial, http://wowi.pastey.net/130420 |
| 01:15.02 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/shattered-halls behold, one of the worst servers! |
| 01:15.06 | ZorbaTHut | (quick, guess my faction) |
| 01:15.09 | ZorbaTHut | (bet you can guess!) |
| 01:15.12 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: sorry, it was actually 25 guilds |
| 01:15.18 | industrial | Wobin: yea, you dont have Stormstrike |
| 01:15.37 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: how do i tell on that page who killed what? |
| 01:15.51 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, it's ranked in order of general skill. you have to click the guilds to get a specific readout. |
| 01:16.06 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: so the 5/5 and 4/5 (heroic) on the page you linked refers to what? icc? |
| 01:16.14 | Legorol | doh |
| 01:16.15 | Legorol | i mean toc |
| 01:16.22 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/shattered-halls/rating.tier10_25 here's the list of ranked icc25 guilds on my server |
| 01:16.24 | Wobin | oh |
| 01:16.26 | Wobin | tier9 |
| 01:16.31 | Wobin | it says on the top |
| 01:16.34 | ZorbaTHut | I guess it defaulted to t9 for some reason |
| 01:16.39 | Wobin | t9 25 |
| 01:16.56 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: ok i found the right page, 6 of your guilds cleared icc25 |
| 01:16.59 | Legorol | and youa re alliance i guess |
| 01:17.08 | ZorbaTHut | you are looking on the wrong page, I can guarantee that |
| 01:17.13 | ZorbaTHut | because we have three guilds who have killed any bosses. |
| 01:17.13 | truedego | whats the easiest way to get another players level? |
| 01:17.17 | ZorbaTHut | two who have cleared it. |
| 01:17.27 | Wobin | truedego, ask them? |
| 01:17.33 | Legorol | i went to the link you linked, and clicked on "tier10 (25)" |
| 01:17.56 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: the second link http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/shattered-halls/rating.tier10_25 does have 6 guilds who cleared it |
| 01:18.00 | Jerub | http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/dath-remar |
| 01:18.06 | Legorol | oops i mean 5 |
| 01:18.08 | Jerub | why am i thinking of transferring to alliance now? |
| 01:18.11 | Legorol | 3 horde, 2 alliance |
| 01:18.20 | ZorbaTHut | yep |
| 01:18.26 | Legorol | anyway, you are alliance i guess |
| 01:18.26 | ZorbaTHut | so, as I said . . . not a lot of room for raiding flex. |
| 01:18.41 | truedego | Wobin: lol, im trying to fetch someones level for an auto gratzer. I just cant find a way to get someones level, UnitLevel() only works on mobs =( |
| 01:18.47 | Liquidora1 | Ding 78 !! http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3564/worldofwarcraft20091220d.jpg |
| 01:19.10 | Legorol | how do i get a list of realms on wowprogress so i can click my realm? |
| 01:19.13 | ZorbaTHut | haha, I love goonsquad |
| 01:19.14 | Liquidora1 | industrial: Quiz: Guess the chat addon on the screenshot |
| 01:19.15 | ZorbaTHut | "For more information, including payment plans, visit us at wowgoons.com." |
| 01:19.18 | Legorol | i don't see a link |
| 01:19.26 | Wobin | truedego, autogratzers are a bane upon the community =P |
| 01:19.29 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, you are really bad at websites :P search box in the topright |
| 01:19.34 | Legorol | i said click |
| 01:19.39 | Wobin | if you can't be arsed typing out "Congratulations for 80!" then shutup =P |
| 01:19.40 | Legorol | i would like a list please |
| 01:19.49 | ZorbaTHut | then look at the "realms" dropdown in the toolbar at the topleft |
| 01:19.58 | Legorol | which lists US, EU, and a bunch of languages |
| 01:20.05 | Legorol | neither of which took me to a usable list |
| 01:20.21 | ZorbaTHut | why are you obsessed with clicking? why not just type the realm name in and hit enter? |
| 01:20.24 | ZorbaTHut | also, ctrl-f |
| 01:20.31 | Legorol | because maybe i don't remember the exact spelling or name |
| 01:20.31 | truedego | Wobin: HAHAH, this is onl y my 2nd addon and im trying to get the hang of it. plus im going to smartass my guildmates with it so it should be funny. And I welcome our autogratzing overlords! |
| 01:20.36 | Legorol | i'd like an alphabetised list please |
| 01:20.39 | Legorol | like on all other sites |
| 01:20.59 | ZorbaTHut | well you'll notice there's an "order by name" option also |
| 01:21.02 | ZorbaTHut | I dunno, I kind of like they they don't assume you've *forgotten the name of your own goddamn server* |
| 01:21.03 | Wobin | truedego, if it's guild based, look at how the achievements get broadcast |
| 01:21.15 | Legorol | anyway, here's my realm: http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/eu/silvermoon/rating.tier10_25 |
| 01:21.18 | Legorol | guess what faction i am |
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| 01:21.31 | Wobin | ...horde? |
| 01:21.34 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: i may not have forgotten, but i may not be able to spell it |
| 01:21.35 | truedego | Wobin: hummm i think i will, ty |
| 01:21.40 | Legorol | Wobin: horde raiding is nonexistent, and i do raid |
| 01:21.41 | silentium | good morning |
| 01:21.44 | Wobin | (I have a 50% chance of getting this =P) |
| 01:21.57 | Wobin | Legorol, that's sad =( |
| 01:22.00 | industrial | Liquidora1: prat? :p |
| 01:22.09 | Liquidora1 | industrial: hehe funny :P |
| 01:22.13 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: indeed there's an order by name option. thanks |
| 01:22.16 | Legorol | that was quite tricky to find |
| 01:22.31 | industrial | my eyes, the strain.. cant hold on.. need sleep.. |
| 01:22.46 | Legorol | anyway, 46 alliance guilds in ICC25. that's scary |
| 01:23.03 | Legorol | that'sa minimum of 1150 people |
| 01:23.40 | ZorbaTHut | some people might be in multiple guilds :D |
| 01:24.01 | ZorbaTHut | I know someone who may very well be the only person in the world to simultaneously raid with two top-ten-worldwide guilds |
| 01:24.17 | ZorbaTHut | (he doesn't do it anymore, I believe this was back in the classic days) |
| 01:24.47 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: how did he fit 24/7 raiding in twice a week ;) |
| 01:24.54 | Wobin | no job? |
| 01:24.56 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, largely, by not doing anything else :) |
| 01:25.09 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, I don't know offhand if he was in school or not. |
| 01:25.18 | Legorol | does anyone know what's the (r) next to a guild name? |
| 01:25.25 | Legorol | (i haven't used wowprogress before) |
| 01:26.42 | Liquidora1 | recruiting |
| 01:28.08 | Legorol | cheers |
| 01:28.29 | Legorol | lol that site is busted |
| 01:28.40 | Legorol | it lists a bunch of guilds all as having gained realm 1st on Marrowgar |
| 01:28.54 | Legorol | mm, i guess it can only tell apart kills by the day |
| 01:28.56 | Legorol | and not by the hour |
| 01:29.03 | Legorol | ok so that's not so surprising |
| 01:29.06 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it only refreshes by day |
| 01:30.30 | Legorol | mm this is weird... how can a guild in EU have killed Saurfang the 9 Dec and gotten I've Gone and Made a Mess on the 16 Dec? |
| 01:30.42 | Legorol | that is, at 00:23 on 16 Dec |
| 01:30.49 | Legorol | which is before the weekly reset |
| 01:31.06 | Legorol | and if the achi was in fact after the reset, how could they have gotten I'm on a Boat on the 17 Dec |
| 01:32.06 | ZorbaTHut | it's possible they have two groups. |
| 01:34.29 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:34.33 | A-KO | that idiot that she tried to get into the raid |
| 01:34.35 | A-KO | died in a fire |
| 01:34.37 | A-KO | got bressed twice |
| 01:34.38 | A-KO | and still died |
| 01:34.48 | Legorol | which fight? |
| 01:34.52 | A-KO | Marrogar |
| 01:34.56 | Legorol | >.< |
| 01:35.04 | Legorol | is she still healing or dpsing now? |
| 01:35.20 | Legorol | Marrowgar is easy, but not that easy that you can carry people who stand still in fire |
| 01:35.32 | A-KO | she's healing, but we can't make up for his badness |
| 01:35.33 | Legorol | you should change guild asap |
| 01:36.07 | ZorbaTHut | yeah honestly even my guild does better than that |
| 01:36.33 | A-KO | we wiped |
| 01:36.34 | A-KO | btw |
| 01:36.38 | ZorbaTHut | here I will administer a quick quiz to see if you can get into the raiding scene on my server |
| 01:36.48 | A-KO | 'cause the tanks didn't pick up aggro quickly enough and I got melee'd twice |
| 01:36.50 | ZorbaTHut | On average, how often do you stab yourself in the eyes with a fork every week? |
| 01:36.50 | A-KO | 20K hits lol |
| 01:36.55 | ZorbaTHut | [ ] zero times |
| 01:36.58 | ZorbaTHut | [ ] one time |
| 01:37.03 | ZorbaTHut | [ ] two times or more |
| 01:37.13 | Legorol | A-KO: tell the tanks he is now tauntable |
| 01:37.18 | A-KO | they know |
| 01:37.22 | A-KO | dunno what happened |
| 01:37.30 | A-KO | we burned our bresses on the shitty priest |
| 01:37.34 | Legorol | A-KO: it's true though that dps still should give them a couple seconds |
| 01:37.38 | A-KO | and then they couldn't get me up :P |
| 01:37.39 | Legorol | btw a-ko, you know the drill i hope: |
| 01:37.42 | A-KO | I'm a healer :P |
| 01:37.59 | Legorol | If the healer dies, it's the tank's fault. If the tank dies, it's the healer's fault. If the dps dies, it's their own goddamn fault! |
| 01:38.01 | A-KO | it was like a rejuv crit that pulled aggro after his swarm thing |
| 01:38.11 | A-KO | I blame both |
| 01:38.20 | A-KO | I blame the tanks for my death, since I got melee swinged and had aggro |
| 01:38.29 | A-KO | :P |
| 01:38.35 | Legorol | good |
| 01:38.38 | Legorol | then youa re blaming the right person |
| 01:38.45 | A-KO | however |
| 01:38.51 | A-KO | I blame idiot priest for standing in fires and dying *twice* |
| 01:38.51 | Legorol | a dps might get aggro on that fight, but a healer never should |
| 01:38.58 | Legorol | he is tauntable, which means 6 seconds for a tank to build threat |
| 01:39.49 | Legorol | speaking of which, shame he is tauntable now |
| 01:39.56 | Legorol | that was the one thing that made the fight interesting for a tank |
| 01:39.58 | Legorol | now it's a snoozefest |
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| 01:44.15 | A-KO | yeah |
| 01:47.34 | A-KO | I dunno, I just look at it from a merit perspective to me |
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| 01:47.41 | A-KO | she says "he beat you to signing up" |
| 01:47.53 | A-KO | she invited us both to the raid on a Friday, he signed up at 6:30PM, I signed up at 11:30PM.... |
| 01:47.58 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:50.24 | A-KO | I like the priests in the group flasking for mp5, too |
| 01:50.36 | A-KO | arguing with me that regen isn't important and they'd rather have SP |
| 01:50.39 | A-KO | but then flask for mp5 lol |
| 01:51.53 | Wobin | okay so |
| 01:51.57 | ZorbaTHut | at least they flask |
| 01:52.00 | Wobin | with the new AddonName, AddonTable = ... |
| 01:52.03 | ZorbaTHut | one of the officers in my guild refuses to flask |
| 01:52.13 | A-KO | dude I have a stack of 40 frost wyrm flasks |
| 01:52.15 | A-KO | I am all over that shit |
| 01:52.24 | Wobin | if you change the addontable to something else, eg createframe |
| 01:52.37 | Wobin | does that get passed around to subsequent files? |
| 01:52.49 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, no, because that line makes copies of what's in ... |
| 01:53.17 | Wobin | hm, not sure why I need a frame at that point anyway |
| 01:53.24 | Wobin | I'll stick to the passed in table |
| 01:53.32 | ZorbaTHut | local x = {}; SomeFunction(x); -- SomeFunction cannot reach back and make "x" into a frame, thus you can't do anything similar with the ... system |
| 01:53.58 | Iriel | Wobin: The table is passed IN, so you can't change it to something else, but if you need a frame, just put it in the table as a member |
| 01:54.07 | Wobin | aye =) |
| 01:55.14 | Wobin | Iriel, I'd just like to mention that I really like that new addition =) |
| 02:00.07 | Polarina | writes a serializer to use on SavedVariables. |
| 02:06.33 | A-KO | one of the things I wish Blizzard would do |
| 02:06.40 | A-KO | is make it so set bonuses aren't so gd OP |
| 02:06.54 | A-KO | we still have people passing on upgrading because of set bonuses |
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| 02:30.03 | Legorol | A-KO: in my experience people often misjudge and overrate set bonuses |
| 02:30.17 | Legorol | and upgrading two pieces would in fact be a better dps upgrade sometime |
| 02:30.44 | Legorol | for tanks, setbonuses are so godawful usually that you don't even take them with equal level gear often :) |
| 02:30.47 | Legorol | no idea about healers |
| 02:31.40 | Wobin | healer set bonuses are pretty shiny for shaman |
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| 02:40.59 | Jerub | my bear tank ignores yellow, and puts agil in red, stam in blue |
| 02:41.13 | bleeter | my bear tank goes nude |
| 02:41.24 | Corrodias | my bare tank, lulul |
| 02:42.29 | Wobin | I'm a rocket bare....burning out my fuse up here alone... |
| 02:42.43 | Wobin | rocket bear is awesome |
| 02:43.21 | Corrodias | beer + bear + bare = bestiality |
| 02:43.24 | Wobin | http://daily-quests.com/comic/?p=285 |
| 02:45.03 | Wobin | also http://daily-quests.com/comic/?p=239 cutest baby raptor ever |
| 02:45.50 | Trela | Looks like a Land Before Time style. |
| 02:55.53 | kd3 | grr |
| 02:56.03 | kd3 | what is up with the new spam getting past the gmail filters? |
| 02:56.24 | Jerub | nothing more satisfying than having the dps who pulled die, along with all his noob friends |
| 02:57.36 | Polarina | Will doing ipairs({...}) work properly? |
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| 03:03.11 | Wobin | "Oh woops, were you tanking?" |
| 03:19.10 | eidolarr | Polarina: yes but there are better ways |
| 03:19.21 | Polarina | eidolarr: Like? |
| 03:19.57 | eidolarr | There's a common idiom using select that doesn't generate a temporary table |
| 03:20.07 | Polarina | I see. |
| 03:20.18 | eidolarr | it's something like |
| 03:20.25 | eidolarr | select('#', select(...)) |
| 03:20.30 | eidolarr | but i forget exactly |
| 03:20.42 | Polarina | Ok, thanks. |
| 03:20.48 | eidolarr | or maybe unpack |
| 03:20.59 | Polarina | unpack takes a table. |
| 03:23.18 | eidolarr | oh |
| 03:23.23 | eidolarr | Polarina: here you go |
| 03:23.38 | Polarina | :S |
| 03:23.51 | eidolarr | actually |
| 03:23.54 | eidolarr | let me play with it >.> |
| 03:24.11 | eidolarr | but you can see how you would iterate from i=1 to select("#", ...) and use select(i, ...) at each step |
| 03:24.22 | Polarina | Ok, thanks. |
| 03:24.36 | eidolarr | i don't think that's it, the idiom was cuter |
| 03:24.38 | eidolarr | i wish i could remember |
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| 03:27.16 | eidolarr | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_select |
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| 03:38.01 | Wobin | http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2009/dec/20/david-tennant-best-doctor-who |
| 03:38.07 | Trela | WTF first my neighbor starts shoveling the grass and is now shoveling the snow behind my Jeep. >.> I know it is a Jeep and I enjoy challenges, but way to play inconsiderate neighbor. |
| 03:38.11 | Wobin | that's a pretty awesome article |
| 03:38.13 | A-KO | sigh |
| 03:38.15 | A-KO | what a dilemma |
| 03:38.33 | A-KO | DPS gearing sucks |
| 03:38.42 | Wobin | Trela, not going to yell at them? |
| 03:38.45 | Polarina | Trela: :P |
| 03:39.15 | Wobin | or you can get passive-aggressive, and mail the snow to them in a giant box |
| 03:39.27 | Thunder_Child | Trela: sic Fisker on them, that will make them stop |
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| 03:41.53 | Trela | Well, I can understand they have a small rear wheel drive car they need to get off the street and into the drive way.(Street must be cleared for night time plowing.) |
| 03:45.38 | A-KO | anyone here a boomkin? |
| 03:49.28 | DWSR | yezs |
| 03:49.32 | DWSR | spam wrath |
| 03:49.34 | DWSR | eclipse proc |
| 03:49.37 | DWSR | spam starfire. |
| 03:50.01 | A-KO | lol |
| 03:50.03 | Trela | I just noticed the snow shoveling neighbor is wearing plastic Wal-Mart bags around his shoes and their are taped in place. |
| 03:50.04 | A-KO | need to know the gems to get :P |
| 03:50.10 | Trela | *they're |
| 03:51.01 | DWSR | A-KO: Spellpower spellpower and more spellpower. |
| 03:51.04 | DWSR | Oh, and hit rating too. |
| 03:51.11 | Nechckn | Trela the folks around here are going nuts, since we received right about 24 inches overnight. The guy across the street was using a dustpan to shovel |
| 03:51.25 | DWSR | Nechckn: rofl. 24" overnight is a light dusting here |
| 03:51.43 | DWSR | A-KO: Spellpower, hit rating, haste rating, iirc. |
| 03:51.46 | DWSR | It's either haste or crit. |
| 03:51.47 | Trela | Virginia, Nechckn? |
| 03:52.05 | Nechckn | yeah.. but here it is roughly 20 more than we get in a year - that's why I live here and not up near Buffalo, where I'm originally from, DWSR |
| 03:52.11 | Nechckn | Trela DC |
| 03:52.16 | Trela | Close enough. |
| 03:52.36 | Nechckn | Extra Northern Virginia =) |
| 03:52.57 | Trela | Fredericksburg, VA is a horrible place to drive when it even threatens to snow. The drivers there will preemptively skid off the road before the first snow flake touches the ground. |
| 03:53.22 | DWSR | A-KO: You want to use Runed Cardinal Ruby in red slots, Veiled or Reckless Ametrine in yellows (depending on your hit rating), and then Purified Dreadstone in your blues. |
| 03:54.01 | A-KO | DWSR: well this is offset so really I'm looking at blue gems |
| 03:54.08 | A-KO | should I go for SP + HIT? |
| 03:54.11 | DWSR | No. |
| 03:54.20 | DWSR | SP + hit isn't blue... |
| 03:54.23 | A-KO | oh |
| 03:54.35 | A-KO | well what's good for blue if I'm nowhere near hit cap? (I'm building the set...) |
| 03:54.53 | DWSR | A-KO: You should have all of the hit that you need from gear + talents + red/yellow slots. |
| 03:55.14 | DWSR | I've never had to put hit into blue slots and I'm hard capped for hit rating. =\ |
| 03:55.47 | A-KO | lol, I'm like 100 hit rating off the mark |
| 03:55.51 | A-KO | what is the cap like 280? |
| 03:55.53 | A-KO | with talents? |
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| 03:56.04 | DWSR | A-KO: What I would do is load everything into Rawr or something similar, put SP gems in all the red, SP+haste into all the yellow (assuming the set bonus is worth it), then Purified Dreadstones into all the blues. After that, start selectively dropping SP/haste gems for SP/hit. |
| 03:56.14 | DWSR | A-KO: I think yours is 280 without IFF. |
| 03:56.24 | A-KO | oh, I have IFF though |
| 03:56.27 | DWSR | It's lower. |
| 03:56.35 | DWSR | IFF is 3%, you have another 3% hit talent. |
| 03:56.42 | DWSR | Your hit cap is like 208 or something retarded. |
| 03:57.25 | DWSR | You have 7% hit from talents, that means you only need 10% from gear. |
| 03:57.35 | A-KO | 263 hit rating |
| 03:57.39 | A-KO | I only have...188 from gear |
| 03:57.45 | DWSR | Meh, that's not bad. |
| 03:57.45 | A-KO | 263 with BOP + IFF |
| 03:57.51 | DWSR | You could get a hit trinket |
| 03:58.12 | DWSR | Or, you could just gem your yellow slots with Veiled Ametrines until you hit 263. |
| 03:58.22 | DWSR | I'd go with the latter, but that's just me. Hit trinkets are the devil. |
| 04:00.40 | DWSR | Getting capped with hit talents is such a joke these days. |
| 04:01.01 | DWSR | People whinge so hard about "Oh, why do you need so much hit rating?" |
| 04:01.16 | DWSR | Then I show them that my warlock has 431 hit rating without a hit trinket and no hit talents. |
| 04:01.27 | DWSR | Without stacking hit gear I might add. This shit just falls from the fucking sky. |
| 04:03.14 | eidolarr | is the pug bind on account? |
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| 04:03.57 | DWSR | eidolarr: No. |
| 04:04.02 | DWSR | It's an achievement pet. |
| 04:04.05 | eidolarr | noooooo |
| 04:04.22 | DWSR | eidolarr: =\ It's like that with all achievement pets. |
| 04:04.24 | DWSR | =\ |
| 04:04.37 | eidolarr | my paladin has been running instances for days for that little dog |
| 04:04.45 | eidolarr | i almost even gemmed and enchanted her gear for it |
| 04:05.29 | DWSR | eidolarr: Meh, it's an easy achievement to get. |
| 04:05.37 | DWSR | Spam LFD for 5 hours, pug pet. gg |
| 04:07.21 | eidolarr | yes but i loathe dungeons |
| 04:07.32 | eidolarr | i can do like one a day before i hate life |
| 04:07.33 | Arrowmaster | fuck fuck fuck |
| 04:07.41 | cbreak | not with you and not here |
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| 04:07.44 | Arrowmaster | this fight in arkham asylum is fucking hard |
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| 04:10.43 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: It's a hard game on the hardest setting. |
| 04:10.53 | Arrowmaster | which im playing on |
| 04:11.37 | Arrowmaster | fighting the titan + lots of henchmen in the sewers |
| 04:17.21 | Arrowmaster | taking a break |
| 04:17.42 | Arrowmaster | heh i went from 27% to 64% completed in one sitting |
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| 04:22.05 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: They're making a sequel.gg |
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| 04:45.28 | tem | Bibi-, seen Adys lately? |
| 04:45.49 | Polarina | How would I go about converting a number to a 8-byte sized string, represented in IEEE-754? |
| 04:47.59 | DWSR | Polarina: Mmm...binary algebra. |
| 04:50.51 | Polarina | tries harder. |
| 04:55.02 | cbreak | how do you want to store it? |
| 04:55.05 | cbreak | hexadecimal? |
| 04:55.19 | Polarina | Just a string, 8 byte in size. |
| 04:55.24 | cbreak | what is the input? |
| 04:55.27 | cbreak | a double? |
| 04:55.30 | Polarina | cbreak: Yes. |
| 04:55.59 | Polarina | It's a double. |
| 04:56.21 | cbreak | just snprintf is not enough? |
| 04:56.48 | Polarina | Is that provided by Blizzard's Lua interface? |
| 04:57.35 | cbreak | no, it's a C function |
| 04:57.43 | cbreak | you want to do it in lua? |
| 04:57.45 | Polarina | I need to do it in Lua. |
| 04:57.46 | Polarina | Yes. |
| 04:57.53 | Polarina | For an addon. |
| 04:57.55 | cbreak | string.format, or tonumber |
| 04:58.03 | Cide | what addon? |
| 04:58.04 | cbreak | but then the length can be anything |
| 04:58.05 | Polarina | cbreak: In IEEE-754. |
| 04:58.10 | Cide | sounds extremely overengineered |
| 04:58.11 | Polarina | Cide: To-be-announced. |
| 04:58.22 | Cide | sounds extremely overengineered |
| 04:58.24 | Polarina | Cide: A serializer. |
| 04:58.26 | cbreak | IEEE-754 does not specify the display format |
| 04:58.35 | Polarina | cbreak: I want it in binary. |
| 04:58.42 | Polarina | A 8-byte string. |
| 04:58.46 | cbreak | then you need 64 bits |
| 04:58.56 | Polarina | 64-bits = 8-bytes. |
| 04:59.00 | cbreak | no |
| 04:59.04 | Polarina | Yes. |
| 04:59.08 | cbreak | last byte has to be null |
| 04:59.12 | Polarina | No. |
| 04:59.19 | DWSR | yes |
| 04:59.22 | Polarina | Not in Lua! |
| 04:59.44 | cbreak | it can have embedded nulls |
| 04:59.52 | Polarina | Exactly! |
| 04:59.53 | cbreak | but the last is null as well |
| 05:00.02 | Polarina | Internally, perhaps, but not to the Lua code. |
| 05:00.10 | Polarina | So, #this_crap == 8. |
| 05:00.40 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 05:00.42 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.len("\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0" |
| 05:00.42 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 05:00.44 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.len("\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0") |
| 05:00.45 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 8 |
| 05:01.07 | Arrowmaster | you can use embedded nulls in lua |
| 05:01.14 | Polarina | Arrowmaster: :) |
| 05:01.19 | cbreak | you can use string.char repeatedly |
| 05:01.41 | Arrowmaster | if i understood what you ment by IEEE-754 i would help |
| 05:01.42 | Polarina | cbreak: I need it represented in IEEE-754... |
| 05:01.53 | cbreak | yes |
| 05:02.01 | Polarina | Arrowmaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_754-2008 |
| 05:02.05 | cbreak | you said that four times already |
| 05:02.10 | Polarina | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_precision |
| 05:02.17 | Polarina | That format. |
| 05:02.19 | Arrowmaster | now thats a lot more precise than just IEEE-754 |
| 05:02.45 | Polarina | Arrowmaster: IEEE-754 defines that. |
| 05:03.02 | Polarina | thought everyone knew. |
| 05:03.27 | Arrowmaster | and you expect to get that into a string? |
| 05:03.36 | Polarina | Yes. |
| 05:03.39 | cbreak | unfortunately, you have no access to the bits in a double directly |
| 05:03.47 | Polarina | I know. |
| 05:03.58 | Cide | Polarina: it's easy if you express the significand as a polarity bit of magnitude 3 |
| 05:04.03 | Polarina | That's why I need to calculate using arithmetic operations I have access to. |
| 05:04.10 | Polarina | Cide: o.O |
| 05:04.50 | Cide | mimics and starts repeatedly using unnecessarily complex words |
| 05:05.06 | Polarina | :( |
| 05:05.43 | Arrowmaster | try math.frexp() |
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| 05:05.51 | Polarina | Ok. |
| 05:06.13 | Polarina | Oh, nice! |
| 05:07.03 | Polarina | Now to figure out how to calculate backwards. :P |
| 05:07.16 | Arrowmaster | m*(2^e) |
| 05:07.36 | Polarina | :P |
| 05:07.46 | cbreak | what do you want to do with the string afterwards? |
| 05:07.53 | Polarina | cbreak: SendAddonMessage. |
| 05:08.02 | cbreak | you know you can't do that? |
| 05:08.11 | Polarina | cbreak: I can! :D |
| 05:08.15 | Arrowmaster | look at AceSerializer-3.0 |
| 05:08.17 | Arrowmaster | it already does this |
| 05:08.26 | cbreak | SendAddonMessage will kick you if you send certain character codes |
| 05:08.30 | Yssaril | doesn't embeded nulls break SendAddonMessage though |
| 05:08.32 | cbreak | well... the server will |
| 05:08.33 | Polarina | cbreak: Nope. |
| 05:08.36 | Polarina | cbreak: Nope! :D |
| 05:08.37 | cbreak | I've tried it |
| 05:08.39 | Polarina | cbreak: It does not. |
| 05:08.42 | cbreak | sure it does |
| 05:08.43 | Polarina | cbreak: How many years ago? |
| 05:08.50 | cbreak | about two or so |
| 05:08.54 | cbreak | during TBC |
| 05:08.58 | Polarina | cbreak: I can send binary with it, everything except \000 (it gets trimmed). |
| 05:09.39 | cbreak | newlines were off limits as well, and a few other control characters |
| 05:09.49 | Polarina | Not anymore. |
| 05:09.53 | Arrowmaster | thats never been true for SendAddonMessage |
| 05:09.55 | cbreak | I didn't test many, since getting kicked from the server was a major pain |
| 05:10.41 | eidolarr | tabs are iffy too aren't they |
| 05:10.46 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:10.51 | Polarina | eidolarr: Only in the prefixþ. |
| 05:10.52 | Arrowmaster | you just cant use tabs in the prefix |
| 05:10.53 | Polarina | s/þ// |
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| 05:17.21 | ChaosInc | you all are fired, btw |
| 05:18.35 | Polarina | Why? |
| 05:19.19 | Shirik | no u |
| 05:19.41 | ChaosInc | reasons, as well as the act of reasoning, is not needed ;) |
| 05:20.22 | ChaosInc | nah, just venting frustration with one of my projects |
| 05:23.13 | ChaosInc | week later and still haven't squashed this bug that has no logical reason of even having |
| 05:25.02 | Polarina | wishes that Blizzard makes their code tainted and adjusts it properly so that it works. |
| 05:25.23 | ChaosInc | heh |
| 05:25.27 | DWSR | ChaosInc: Those are the best bugs. |
| 05:25.35 | ChaosInc | tell me about it |
| 05:26.32 | A-KO | damn vmware server is a cpu hog isn't it |
| 05:26.42 | Polarina | A-KO: Try VirtualBox. |
| 05:27.44 | ChaosInc | apparently "PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD" is just fired for decoration when someone enters an instance and funcs declared don't fire |
| 05:28.44 | ChaosInc | I've tossed a toon in and out of an instance at least 200 times now trying to get something to fire on the event, nada |
| 05:29.41 | DWSR | ChaosInc: That's impossible. How does Recount display its 'Reset Data' dialog when you zone? |
| 05:29.51 | ChaosInc | no clue |
| 05:30.10 | DWSR | guess you should look at the code? |
| 05:30.35 | ChaosInc | here, I posted a thread about a week ago: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29185 |
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| 05:31.24 | ChaosInc | I've added an announce when the event fires, which is does, but the code doesn't execute. upon login/reload, however, it does |
| 05:31.51 | ChaosInc | makes no sense at all |
| 05:31.52 | Polarina | How do I hexadecimal-ize a string? |
| 05:33.28 | Trela | Bwahahaha. Idiot neighbor tried to back a front wheel drive car over the snow back from plowing into a snow covered drive way. High centered on the small snow bank. |
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| 05:34.33 | ChaosInc | Polarina: try string.format(%x, num1, num2...) |
| 05:34.58 | Polarina | A string, if possible. |
| 05:35.42 | ChaosInc | think it'll work for a string instead of a number, not positive |
| 05:36.05 | Polarina | Nope. |
| 05:36.25 | ChaosInc | hrm |
| 05:37.00 | ChaosInc | bah |
| 05:37.47 | ChaosInc | string.format("%x", ...) <- forgot quotes, no gaurentee on string conversion though |
| 05:38.05 | Polarina | Not for strings. :( |
| 05:39.07 | ChaosInc | cheat? |
| 05:39.17 | Polarina | Perhaps. |
| 05:40.23 | ChaosInc | ah, found something, give it a go: http://snipplr.com/view/13087/string-to-hex/ |
| 05:41.06 | Yssaril | ChaosInc: Skada handles new instances jsut fine an it uses PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD to detect when you zoned in |
| 05:41.44 | AbsolutRayne | ZzZz |
| 05:41.48 | Yssaril | you sure you are not unregistering it on accident somewhere? |
| 05:41.57 | ChaosInc | positive |
| 05:42.03 | ChaosInc | double checked that already |
| 05:42.18 | AbsolutRayne | eagerly awaits the next winner |
| 05:43.07 | ChaosInc | like I said, it fires on every other PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD except for entering an instance |
| 05:43.43 | Polarina | Cairenn: Ping! |
| 05:44.24 | Yssaril | ChaosInc: now i'm curious (gonna try it myself) |
| 05:44.36 | ChaosInc | hell, I even c/p'd the code directly under "if event == "PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD" |
| 05:44.42 | ChaosInc | then blah |
| 05:44.55 | ChaosInc | still nothing |
| 05:44.57 | Polarina | Zone changed = last zone ~= instance, new zone == instance. |
| 05:45.41 | ChaosInc | ? |
| 05:46.07 | Yssaril | Polarina: wants you to use the Zone change events instead i think |
| 05:46.33 | Polarina | I think there's also IsInInstance or something similar that you can use when the zone changes. |
| 05:47.12 | Cairenn | Polarina: pong |
| 05:47.20 | Polarina | Cairenn: Winner? |
| 05:47.25 | Cairenn | oh crap |
| 05:47.38 | Polarina | Cairenn: :) |
| 05:47.49 | ChaosInc | HA! Cairenn forgot something! |
| 05:48.05 | batrick | i won... |
| 05:48.10 | Polarina | recommends Cairenn uses cron to play annoying sounds. |
| 05:48.19 | batrick | right cairenn??? :) |
| 05:48.35 | Polarina | batrick: to-be-announced. |
| 05:48.41 | ChaosInc | zone changes shouldn't matter unless..... |
| 05:48.59 | Cairenn | lost track of time |
| 05:49.15 | TC-Away | Cairenn was eating clams again |
| 05:49.20 | Polarina | Cairenn: It happens. |
| 05:49.40 | AbsolutRayne | Already have this word |
| 05:49.42 | AbsolutRayne | :( |
| 05:49.43 | Yssaril | ChaosInc: are you using your a event lib or your own frame? |
| 05:49.48 | ChaosInc | it doesn't count as a full reload through the loading screen between the two, thus not resetting frame visibility -> no script for "OnUpdate" |
| 05:50.08 | Cairenn | AbsolutRayne: that's what happens when you guess ahead |
| 05:50.19 | Cairenn | means you don't get the fun on the right day |
| 05:50.21 | Yssaril | also i just ran into VH and going in and out i got the event no problem ChaosInc |
| 05:50.27 | Polarina | The next clue is awesome! But isn't that word at that page already used elsewhere? |
| 05:50.32 | AbsolutRayne | Cairenn: The odds of me winning are slim to none as is. :P I just like seeing if I didnt find it yet. |
| 05:50.47 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:50.53 | Cairenn | Polarina: no |
| 05:51.05 | ChaosInc | Yss: standard UI? |
| 05:51.06 | batrick | crap |
| 05:51.12 | Cairenn | 20 different words on 20 different pages with 20 different clues |
| 05:51.13 | Polarina | Cairenn: Must be just me. |
| 05:51.20 | ChaosInc | it's not the event firing that's the issue |
| 05:51.22 | Yssaril | ChaosInc: how are you registering for events? |
| 05:51.32 | ChaosInc | it's the stuff that's supposed to happen on said event |
| 05:51.36 | ChaosInc | one sec |
| 05:51.59 | batrick | i was gonna give polarina the solution to her problem but i cant find backslash on my droid keyboard :( |
| 05:52.29 | Polarina | batrick: Haha. |
| 05:52.30 | Polarina | Cairenn: How many participants in last draw? |
| 05:52.59 | batrick | check nselib/stdnse.nse in nmap source if you really need it and cant find it anywhere else |
| 05:53.06 | ChaosInc | Yss: standard UI, register MainMenuBar & MultiBarRight (enable it obviously). move them somewhere then /reload, bars should go back in place. now walk into an instance (firing PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD again) and the bars should stay put |
| 05:53.11 | Cairenn | Polarina: I'm not going to sit here and give you the numbers every night for 20 nights ... what does it matter? |
| 05:53.22 | Polarina | Cairenn: I am making a popularity graph. |
| 05:53.38 | Yssaril | ChaosInc: that wasnt the question (can you pastey me your event handler) |
| 05:54.14 | ChaosInc | Yss: sure, sec |
| 05:54.21 | Cairenn | 6970 |
| 05:54.30 | Polarina | :O |
| 05:54.42 | Polarina | Cairenn: Thanks. |
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| 05:56.05 | ChaosInc | Yss: http://pastey.net/130429 |
| 05:56.54 | ChaosInc | crap, can't remember last years 4/1 joke... |
| 05:56.55 | batrick | <3 cairenn even though i lost again! |
| 05:57.05 | Cairenn | batrick: :) |
| 05:57.27 | smcn | ChaosInc: it was the atari version of wow wasn't it? |
| 05:57.34 | Wobin | no, the wowi one |
| 05:57.51 | Yssaril | Cairenn: can you remove someone (me) from the drawing? (i got cought up in finding them but already have the grunt) |
| 05:58.16 | Cairenn | Yssaril: just remind me if your name does happen to come up, and I'll re-award it to someone else :) |
| 05:58.24 | Yssaril | kk |
| 05:58.33 | Cairenn | I've got people playing that aren't /allowed/ to win, even |
| 05:58.39 | Cairenn | they're just playing for the fun of it |
| 05:58.43 | Wobin | Damn you Dolby =) |
| 05:58.55 | Yssaril | great idea for a contest though getting people to poke around the site |
| 05:58.56 | Polarina | wonders why some aren't allowed to play. |
| 05:59.05 | Wobin | part of the company, I'd expect |
| 05:59.06 | kd3 | they work for zam? |
| 05:59.06 | Cairenn | Polarina: family |
| 05:59.09 | batrick | yes ++ |
| 05:59.12 | Polarina | Cairenn: I see. |
| 05:59.12 | Cairenn | family |
| 05:59.24 | Wobin | why isn't family allowed? |
| 05:59.30 | Wobin | random competition laws? |
| 05:59.30 | Cairenn | (and yes, anyone that works for any of the sites) |
| 05:59.37 | kd3 | because blizz said 'thou shalt not'? |
| 05:59.50 | Cairenn | Wobin: if I awarded one to my mom, how do you think that'd go over in the community? |
| 06:00.00 | Cairenn | or gave one to Shirik |
| 06:00.01 | Cairenn | or |
| 06:00.10 | Polarina | ME! |
| 06:00.31 | Cairenn | even without Blizz having said "thou shalt not", I've never let staff/family win in things like this |
| 06:00.44 | Wobin | Personally, I'd suspect you probably have a method of getting the murlocs for free if you -really- wanted to give it to family =) |
| 06:00.45 | Shirik | (00:58:02) (@Cairenn) I've got people playing that aren't /allowed/ to win, even |
| 06:00.52 | batrick | damn it searching wowui is rly hard on a phone :( |
| 06:01.03 | Shirik | For the record, I'm playing without cheating, too! |
| 06:01.05 | Cairenn | why are you searching wowui? |
| 06:01.09 | Shirik | But I'm still not allowed to win :P |
| 06:01.11 | Wobin | batrick, ask dolby for a mobile version =) |
| 06:01.23 | Cairenn | Wobin: how could dolby help with that? |
| 06:01.26 | batrick | cairenn for thde grunty xlues |
| 06:01.37 | Wobin | he could hack up a css for proper display, no? |
| 06:01.37 | Shirik | omg you guys fail |
| 06:01.37 | Polarina | I tried to cheat by attempting to have the server directory list the directory with the word images. :P |
| 06:01.40 | kd3 | s/wowui/wowi/ |
| 06:01.41 | Polarina | Didn't work. :( |
| 06:01.42 | Shirik | Cairenn is trying to tell you wowi != wowui |
| 06:01.42 | Cairenn | wowUI == incgamers != WoWI |
| 06:01.50 | Wobin | oh, I completely misread that |
| 06:01.51 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 06:02.02 | batrick | oops |
| 06:02.06 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 06:02.12 | AbsolutRayne | O_o |
| 06:02.13 | batrick | sorry cairenn |
| 06:02.23 | Cairenn | it's okay, I still <3 you |
| 06:02.33 | Polarina | :D |
| 06:02.34 | batrick | yay o/ |
| 06:02.55 | Thunder_Child | i always see <3 as a heart shaped pointy stabby thing |
| 06:03.25 | Polarina | I see it as a smiley with big eyebrows. |
| 06:03.26 | batrick | i got stuck in chicago tonight ;( |
| 06:03.36 | Wobin | ⥠|
| 06:03.42 | batrick | fortunately i have family herd |
| 06:03.56 | batrick | here* |
| 06:04.04 | Cairenn | why do people always feel the need to tell you about all the things (achievements, items, whatever) you won't get if you don't PvP, like somehow there's something wrong with you for not wanting to? |
| 06:04.11 | Cairenn | growls |
| 06:04.40 | batrick | sleepy time gn |
| 06:04.49 | Cairenn | night batrick |
| 06:04.55 | Polarina | glares at regular expressions. |
| 06:05.12 | Cairenn | g'luck getting out of chicago tomorrow |
| 06:06.18 | Kraps | Cairenn: the best ones are if you tell them they suck a pve, the scream about how you're a noob and they would own you in pvp |
| 06:06.36 | Cairenn | nods |
| 06:07.31 | Kraps | the weather outside is frightful http://wcbstv.com/topstories/tristate.winter.storm.2.1378089.html |
| 06:11.49 | Vonhinten | What's the exact range on blood boil/nove in 10 man? 12 yards? 15? |
| 06:18.11 | Kraps | TORCHLIGHT IS 10 BUCKS WTF MAN |
| 06:18.57 | Wobin | awesome whut |
| 06:19.01 | Wobin | also Machinarium |
| 06:19.04 | Wobin | $10 |
| 06:19.12 | Wobin | (plus sound track plus that other game) |
| 06:19.32 | Kraps | whats Machinarium? the game summaries are terrible |
| 06:19.54 | Wobin | http://machinarium.net/ |
| 06:19.56 | Wobin | go play the demo |
| 06:19.59 | Wobin | it's cute =) |
| 06:20.54 | Iriel | I enjoyed machinarium |
| 06:20.57 | Iriel | short but enjoyable |
| 06:25.56 | Corrodias | it's a well-crafted adventure game |
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| 06:46.22 | Polarina | Hrm...? |
| 06:50.10 | Polarina | lua> local s = if n < 0 then true else false end; print(s) |
| 06:50.11 | lua_bot | Polarina: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'if' |
| 06:50.13 | Polarina | :( |
| 07:02.40 | Yssaril | Polarina: just use s = n<0 |
| 07:03.00 | Yssaril | lua> local s = 5<0; print(s) |
| 07:03.00 | lua_bot | Yssaril: false |
| 07:03.47 | Polarina | :P |
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| 07:33.37 | Adys | I can't boot my main desktop comp. There's juice, fans/hds are running fine, but no mb beep and it stays that way until I turn it off. No output of any sort. |
| 07:34.05 | Adys | It's done this a couple of times the past 2 weeks, if I leave it off for 48 hours or so it boots fine after that |
| 07:34.47 | Adys | The CPU was overheating since a little while so I changed the cpu grease and fan last week |
| 07:35.15 | Adys | Since then its not overheating anymore but I cant figure out if the problem is with the motherboard, the cpu or the psu |
| 07:35.20 | Adys | any idea? |
| 07:35.43 | Thunder_Child | i want to say ram, any time i dont get a beep output it always seems to be ram |
| 07:36.10 | Adys | I tried removing the ram |
| 07:36.12 | Adys | nothing |
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| 07:36.55 | Adys | I also tried removing pretty much everything; hd, screens, all usb stuff etc |
| 07:37.49 | Adys | Gonna try leaving just one ramstick |
| 07:38.01 | Corrodias | good idea... hmm |
| 07:39.40 | Adys | still nothing |
| 07:39.52 | Adys | tried resetting the bios too |
| 07:42.55 | Adys | also usually with bad ram I get warning beeps, not none at all |
| 07:46.29 | Corrodias | check the motherboard power connections... but i fear static damage to the MB |
| 07:48.23 | Adys | I kinda doubt it's the connections, as i said its done this before and it doesnt boot again after i turn it off |
| 07:49.12 | Adys | as for static I dunno, its possible; I just want a way to see if its the mb or the psu |
| 07:49.23 | Adys | (note: I have pretty much no spare of anything) |
| 07:49.30 | Adys | .. unlessss |
| 07:50.30 | Polarina | FINALLY! |
| 07:50.45 | Adys | i might have a spare psu |
| 07:52.54 | Polarina | YES! :D |
| 07:53.36 | Polarina | Lua number -> 8-byte sized string using IEEE-754's double precision representation. |
| 07:54.21 | Adys | I forked Lua since ages Polarina |
| 07:54.34 | Adys | in my version, I store numbers in strings |
| 07:54.51 | Adys | bzip2-compressed strings, so it takes less space. |
| 07:55.05 | Thunder_Child | lol http://www.tomscott.com/weather/starwars/ |
| 07:55.12 | Polarina | lol |
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| 08:03.40 | Cairenn | lol |
| 08:04.38 | Polarina | My room is like 26°C. :( |
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| 08:29.17 | Polarina | How would I go about checking if a table is simply used as an continuous array or as an hash table? |
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| 08:50.04 | Arrowmaster | just about the only way would be to do both pairs and ipairs over it and count the size of it with each and compare them |
| 08:50.47 | Polarina | Arrowmaster: Ok, thanks. |
| 08:51.01 | Arrowmaster | not really a desirable method |
| 09:22.22 | nobin | I found a site with free sfx |
| 09:22.22 | nobin | if you sample any three sounds in a loop you have the start of a techno sound |
| 09:22.22 | nobin | it's so funny |
| 09:22.55 | Polarina | :P |
| 09:24.36 | Trela | Love this weather web site. http://www.thefuckingweather.com/ |
| 09:24.50 | Polarina | :P |
| 09:25.42 | Polarina | :D |
| 09:27.21 | Polarina | :D :D :D |
| 09:27.37 | Wobin | How do I inject an ace options table into the blizzard interface menu? |
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| 09:29.23 | Polarina | doesn't use Ace. |
| 09:32.21 | Arrowmaster | AceConfigDialog-3.0/AceConfigDialog-3.0.lua:function AceConfigDialog:AddToBlizOptions(appName, name, parent, ...) |
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| 09:34.26 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, ta |
| 09:34.56 | Polarina | Who wants to take a look at my serializer? |
| 09:37.08 | Adys | Concept |
| 09:37.16 | Polarina | Adys: ? |
| 09:37.43 | Adys | a website that autogenerates sentences out of random words |
| 09:37.53 | Polarina | :P |
| 09:38.05 | Adys | users can rate them/comment on them, lesser-rated sentences come up less often |
| 09:38.13 | Adys | comments are used to generate more random sentences |
| 09:38.14 | Polarina | Hehe. |
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| 09:43.46 | Adys | http://autocompleteme.com/2009/11/25/its-just-a-matter-of-time/ |
| 09:43.49 | Adys | now thats scary |
| 09:44.06 | Polarina | lol |
| 09:44.34 | Corrodias | well |
| 09:44.38 | Corrodias | it can be very mild |
| 09:45.05 | Adys | http://autocompleteme.com/2009/11/23/signs-of-a-co-dependant-relationship/ |
| 09:45.10 | Corrodias | i actually had something you might call that for about four months |
| 09:45.20 | Corrodias | i'm not sure i WOULD call it that, but there you go, good example |
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| 09:55.05 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/oh_hai5.jpg |
| 09:55.27 | Cairenn | badgers |
| 09:55.52 | Cairenn | badger badger badger badger badger badger ... mushroom mushroom |
| 09:56.15 | Polarina | Cairenn: :D |
| 09:56.21 | Adys | Cairenn, http://autocompleteme.com/2009/12/18/hey-hats-need-love-too/ |
| 09:56.36 | Cairenn | ooookay |
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| 10:00.17 | Polarina | http://www.pown.it/26 |
| 10:00.18 | Polarina | :D |
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| 10:04.07 | Keias | it's like I took a time machine to go back 3 years. |
| 10:04.17 | Keias | so catchy |
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| 10:08.45 | Wobin | >< |
| 10:08.49 | Wobin | I can't stop listening |
| 10:09.00 | Polarina | Wobin: Welcome to the group! :D |
| 10:09.13 | Wobin | It'd help if I could actually sing along |
| 10:09.22 | Polarina | Wobin: Go ahead and try. |
| 10:09.24 | Wobin | like Dragostea din tea |
| 10:09.32 | Adys | sure you can |
| 10:09.38 | Adys | http://www.lyricsmania.com/lyrics/loituma_lyrics_8811/other_lyrics_28987/ievan_polkka_lyrics_316504.html |
| 10:10.27 | Wobin | lies, she's so not singing that =P |
| 10:11.49 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.11 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN4cLlIKnoA |
| 10:16.31 | Wobin | Adys, I'd swear that at least 80% of the part borrowed from the flash are the "Insert Finnish scat here" bits =P |
| 10:17.07 | Adys | prolly |
| 10:17.55 | Wobin | Can anyone here approve projects on Curse |
| 10:17.56 | Wobin | ? |
| 10:18.09 | Wobin | Torhal: *poke( |
| 10:18.11 | Wobin | * |
| 10:18.14 | Wobin | ) |
| 10:18.23 | Polarina | My addons are exclusive to wowi. :) |
| 10:18.39 | Wobin | Once it's packaged on curse, I'll pull it over |
| 10:18.56 | Wobin | Just want to get it right there, first |
| 10:19.06 | Wobin | I don't see me changing much for this addon =P |
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| 10:31.00 | _rane | would it be in theory to create a macro that modifies another macro? say I have a macro that targets someone, I'd like to make a macro that changes the target of the another macro to my current target, yes/no? :) |
| 10:31.15 | Polarina | _rane: Cannot be done while in combat. |
| 10:31.22 | _rane | that's not a problem |
| 10:31.30 | Polarina | _rane: That can be done. |
| 10:32.01 | _rane | cool, I'll look into it |
| 10:32.27 | Gnarfoz | (let me guess, you want to update an assist/MD/Tricks macro? ^^) |
| 10:38.26 | _rane | I have a targeting macro that I use to target certain player in arena and I'd like to use the same key to target an arbitrary player on battlegrounds without too much hassle |
| 10:39.02 | digmouse | is there a action bar mod that can |
| 10:39.03 | digmouse | fade out a button when it's out of range |
| 10:39.05 | digmouse | fade out a button when it's on cooldown? |
| 10:39.20 | Gnarfoz | _rane: well, basically, you could use focus for that, and it would even work in combat ;) |
| 10:39.27 | _rane | ... somewhat like focus |
| 10:39.32 | _rane | I use that for another purpose |
| 10:39.55 | Gnarfoz | !api EditMacro |
| 10:39.56 | lua_bot | EditMacro: Changes the name, icon, and/or body of a macro (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/EditMacro) |
| 10:40.02 | _rane | thanks |
| 10:40.34 | Gnarfoz | !api macro |
| 10:40.35 | lua_bot | Found 27 possible matches for 'macro'. Please be more specific |
| 10:40.56 | Gnarfoz | meh. you probably need another function to find the appropriate macroId |
| 10:44.51 | _rane | GetMacroIndexByName() |
| 10:57.26 | amro | anyone have an idea why a flash embed would be totally out of place on some versions of IE? |
| 10:57.38 | amro | other than IE fails, I have to fix this |
| 10:57.43 | Polarina | amro: It's IE. |
| 10:57.48 | amro | indeed |
| 10:57.50 | Polarina | amro: It places objects randomly. |
| 10:57.52 | amro | I'd like to make it work |
| 10:57.55 | Polarina | amro: Cannot be fixed. |
| 10:58.17 | amro | I assure you I hate IE as much as you do, but right now I need IE compatibility |
| 10:58.25 | Polarina | amro: What for? |
| 10:59.00 | amro | a customer who wants IE compatibility |
| 10:59.10 | amro | personally I don't care |
| 10:59.15 | amro | but I'm not calling the shots on requirements |
| 10:59.33 | Polarina | hates customers. |
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| 11:07.04 | _rane | how do I get current target's name? |
| 11:07.19 | _rane | looking for GetName("target") or something |
| 11:08.50 | amro | UnitName? |
| 11:08.54 | amro | !api UnitName |
| 11:08.54 | lua_bot | UnitName: Returns the name of a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitName) |
| 11:09.09 | amro | _rane: ^ |
| 11:09.11 | mikma | %t with macro |
| 11:09.49 | Polarina | How do I append to a list ( ... )? |
| 11:11.37 | foxlit | You're better off not thinking of lists as data structures in lua |
| 11:11.39 | _rane | great, got it :) local n="tar1"; local i=GetMacroIndexByName(n); EditMacro(i,n,nil,"/tar "..UnitName("target")); |
| 11:12.20 | Polarina | _rane: You can use %t instead of UnitName |
| 11:12.43 | _rane | inside the string? |
| 11:12.46 | Polarina | Yes. |
| 11:13.23 | _rane | "/tar %t" no? |
| 11:13.27 | Gnarfoz | no, he can't Polarina |
| 11:13.43 | Polarina | o.O |
| 11:14.00 | Gnarfoz | what would /target %t do? it would target his current target |
| 11:14.00 | Polarina | Yes, he can, can't he? |
| 11:14.03 | Gnarfoz | which is not what he wants. |
| 11:14.08 | Polarina | Oh. |
| 11:14.09 | Gnarfoz | (obviously, since it's already his target) |
| 11:14.20 | Gnarfoz | %t gets evaluated at macro execution, not when you edit the macr |
| 11:14.24 | Gnarfoz | *macro |
| 11:14.28 | Polarina | But isn't the %t replaced when the macro runs? |
| 11:14.51 | Polarina | But he's editing a macro during an macro execution! |
| 11:15.27 | amro | he's editing another macro |
| 11:16.27 | Polarina | But isn't the %t replaced in the original macro when it's executes, before it edits the other macro? |
| 11:17.12 | mikma | i am failing to see what he's trying to do |
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| 11:18.57 | amro | store a target I guess |
| 11:19.17 | amro | I often used macros when looking for something or someone (e.g. pvp), having a macro to quickly set your target macro is handy |
| 11:20.59 | Gnarfoz | that's what he's trying to do, yes |
| 11:21.14 | Gnarfoz | and no, Polarina, I wouldn't count on macro variables being replaced inside function calls |
| 11:21.14 | olafski | wow macro's can edit other macro's? nice :P |
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| 11:25.46 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14619-RareMacro.html |
| 11:26.06 | mikma | that one edits macro whenever you change zone |
| 11:26.11 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7855-TargetBlock.html |
| 11:26.38 | mikma | and there's my old old old addon i made for pvp server like ... 2 years ago or so |
| 11:28.21 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CTJqwX-AwM |
| 11:34.20 | Fisker | It appears that i am a force to be reckoned with |
| 11:34.21 | Fisker | :o |
| 11:35.04 | amro | ~lart Fisker |
| 11:35.04 | purl | pours hot grits down the front of Fisker's pants |
| 11:35.19 | Fisker | it's true |
| 11:35.50 | Fisker | My guild kicked me, banned me from the forums, disabled user registrations and told any other members that disagreeing would result in the same action |
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| 11:36.27 | Fisker | All because i didn't agree with the guild kicking another member without reason |
| 11:37.04 | Corrodias | i disagree! |
| 11:37.17 | Corrodias | OH NO THEY ARE COMING FOR ME |
| 11:37.17 | Fisker | :D |
| 11:37.57 | Fisker | They said the member was kicked for "trolling to much" |
| 11:38.15 | Fisker | And they would only mention a thread, but noone found anything wrong with that thread |
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| 11:38.47 | Fisker | Oh and one of the officers found him "sad" to not "trust the officers" |
| 11:38.52 | Fisker | That's apparently not trolling |
| 11:41.45 | foxlit | Officers are jerks, np. |
| 11:43.07 | industrial | What's the best place to grind on L80 mobs (I just need the money loot, lots of it. I wanna see what I can get per hour as opposed to eg herbing for money) |
| 11:43.17 | Wobin | he was accused of trolling and kicked |
| 11:43.22 | Wobin | but you weren't? |
| 11:43.29 | Wobin | wow, he must have been serious =P |
| 11:43.56 | foxlit | Tomorrow's headlines: Has Fisker been out-Fiskered? |
| 11:44.08 | airtonix | foxlit, yes : http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/12/17/Boy-4-found-with-beer-stolen-gifts/UPI-38851261089255/ |
| 11:44.30 | Corrodias | that was Fisker in disguise |
| 11:44.34 | Fisker | Wobin indeed |
| 11:44.37 | Fisker | i don't troll when srs |
| 11:44.40 | foxlit | "Authorities in Tennessee said a 4-year-old boy apparently broke out of his home, obtained beer and broke into a neighbor's house to steal Christmas presents." Hilarious. |
| 11:44.52 | airtonix | Hayden Wright, 4, was found wandering the streets of his Chattanooga neighborhood while wearing a little girl's dress |
| 11:45.14 | airtonix | deeper issues in that family other than alcohol abuse |
| 11:45.44 | Fisker | Wobin as it also turns out is that many times the officers goated him into what they're accusing him off |
| 11:45.46 | Corrodias | kid wanted to see his dad in jail. sounds like he had a good plan! |
| 11:45.51 | Fisker | So i also asked why nothing was done against that |
| 11:46.12 | Corrodias | how big is this guild, Fisker? |
| 11:46.56 | Fisker | dunno about 200 members or so in WoW |
| 11:46.57 | Corrodias | at about the 200 member point my old one started to get less intimately familiar with each other, but something like that would still never have flown |
| 11:47.33 | Fisker | They try to do damage control at their best |
| 11:47.35 | Corrodias | well, that was my impression from where i was, anyway. |
| 11:47.39 | Fisker | And unfortunately for me i'm usuall a troll |
| 11:47.42 | Fisker | usually* |
| 11:47.50 | Fisker | Which means that just because of that many probably wont mind |
| 11:48.02 | Corrodias | ah |
| 11:48.25 | Fisker | Not many people stick to their principles these day |
| 11:48.28 | Fisker | days |
| 11:49.08 | foxlit | Pragmatism won? |
| 11:49.38 | Fisker | i guess so |
| 11:50.16 | foxlit | wonders why people put their level, class and race on their own player frame. |
| 11:50.38 | foxlit | Well, maybe not level, but the last two should be obvious. |
| 11:51.48 | airtonix | foxlit, same reason they shower in acid |
| 11:52.01 | airtonix | 'ged orf the dang ruf ma!" |
| 11:52.03 | Fisker | SO i need a new guildname |
| 11:52.15 | foxlit | For its antiseptic properties? |
| 11:55.10 | Wobin | foxlit, for the truly altoholic |
| 11:55.45 | foxlit | Your action bar will tell you your class, and your race is insignificant. |
| 11:56.03 | Wobin | no, the -truly- altoholic =P |
| 11:56.04 | mikma | wobin: since i have fisker ignored, who are you meaning with this: <Wobin> he was accused of trolling and kicked |
| 11:56.22 | Wobin | one of fisker's guildmates |
| 11:56.37 | Fisker | naw Wobin |
| 11:56.52 | Fisker | Since ignoring people is juvenile at best please refrain from helping him with what i say :( |
| 11:56.55 | mikma | haha |
| 11:56.57 | Fisker | I'm ignored for reason after all |
| 11:57.04 | mikma | "Fiskerdin of Team Troll" |
| 11:57.04 | Wobin | True... |
| 11:57.14 | Wobin | wait, Mikma said -that-? |
| 11:57.19 | Wobin | woah =P |
| 11:57.35 | Fisker | aww man mikma |
| 11:57.37 | Fisker | that was awesome |
| 11:57.42 | Fisker | i called my guild "Just got banned" |
| 11:58.06 | mikma | said what |
| 11:58.40 | Wobin | I can't be arsed relaying everything fisker says =P |
| 11:58.57 | Wobin | You'll just have to wait for the logs |
| 11:59.05 | airtonix | he mentioned something about cups of concrete powder |
| 11:59.36 | mikma | oh right, it's the troll talking again, that's why that didn't make any sense |
| 11:59.53 | mikma | and no, not going to check the logs, not interested enough of trolling |
| 12:00.33 | airtonix | inserts more basless references to comments fisker didn;t make |
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| 12:07.45 | Torhal | Wobin: What project? |
| 12:07.52 | Torhal | I just got home from a 600 mile drive |
| 12:07.54 | Torhal | :D |
| 12:08.04 | Wobin | Torhal, nm, nevcairiel took care of it =) |
| 12:08.08 | Torhal | Alrighty |
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| 12:10.35 | Fisker | I heard that requesting specifically what comments i madei s not being interested airtonix |
| 12:11.12 | airtonix | I would require government funding to reply to that |
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| 12:40.17 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX8Hzxu7C1g&feature=player_embedded |
| 12:40.19 | Wobin | =O |
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| 12:42.51 | Fisker | atleast i got prio on shadowmourne Wobin |
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| 13:38.10 | zenzelezz | I am now convinced that [Battered Hilt] was the worst thing to ever happen to trade chat |
| 13:40.49 | Corrodias | why? |
| 13:41.12 | Corrodias | other than the innuendo potential |
| 13:41.18 | Corrodias | which i suppose you're probably talking about now |
| 13:41.26 | zenzelezz | nope |
| 13:41.50 | Corrodias | I fucked the lich king and all i got was this [Battered Hilt]. |
| 13:42.05 | zenzelezz | trade chat on my realm is now almost as full of flames and trolling over battered hilt prices and how to get it, whether it compares to other weapons, etc., etc. as it is of LFM |
| 13:42.19 | Corrodias | aah |
| 13:44.19 | cbreak | I'll read up what that hilt thing is good for when I win one... |
| 13:44.33 | amro | zenzelezz: we once had a pedophile in trade chat. |
| 13:44.39 | amro | you can't beat that |
| 13:47.39 | Corrodias | depends on what you mean by pedophile |
| 13:47.48 | Corrodias | i bet someone could beat it. (HAH PUN) |
| 13:47.53 | cbreak | gnome in heat. |
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| 13:54.26 | foxlit | I'm conflicted. |
| 13:54.42 | foxlit | Curse uptake of beta releases is pretty pathetic. |
| 13:55.13 | foxlit | And I only very infrequently mark anything as "release" |
| 13:55.14 | Polarina | is still working on her addon, full time. |
| 13:56.11 | foxlit | The general idea is that even the betas are essentially stable, but marking them as the highest level of stability seems meh. |
| 13:56.36 | Polarina | Don't use curse! :D |
| 13:57.15 | foxlit | So on one side I want people to run them, and on the other, I want to provide a clear escape route if something breaks. |
| 13:57.19 | nevcairiel | dont mark stuff as release then? |
| 13:57.51 | foxlit | nevcairiel: just release one beta after another? |
| 13:58.05 | foxlit | Might as well mark everything as release, then. |
| 13:58.30 | Jerub | i hate complicated gear choices. |
| 13:58.43 | Jerub | .7% dodge + 1% crit or 800 health, for my beartank :/ |
| 13:58.49 | nevcairiel | well its your choice how to label stuff |
| 13:58.54 | foxlit | Some sort of *shudder* long term support tag could be nice. |
| 14:00.59 | nevcairiel | on wowi you dont have that distinction, so everything is implied as release |
| 14:01.02 | foxlit | On the other hand, I don't have this problem on wowi because I don't tag things as beta. |
| 14:01.02 | nevcairiel | unless you use their svn |
| 14:01.07 | nevcairiel | i think you can do beta then too |
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| 14:01.20 | foxlit | I'm sure I've seen some Beta (X) tabs on some pages. |
| 14:01.33 | foxlit | But I haven't seen a way to mark it, so yeah, it's probably svn-related. |
| 14:01.35 | nevcairiel | yeah people that use the svn |
| 14:02.19 | Polarina | Why use svn when you can use darcs? |
| 14:02.42 | cbreak | because you've never heard of git? :) |
| 14:03.01 | Polarina | Darcs has about all the features of git. |
| 14:03.04 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, that's where having a good spreadsheet can come in handy |
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| 14:03.14 | Cruciformer | I am so not a fan of git. |
| 14:03.24 | Cruciformer | svn is pretty awesome though. |
| 14:03.41 | ZorbaTHut | I used to use svn |
| 14:03.44 | ZorbaTHut | then I discovered git :P |
| 14:04.05 | Polarina | Darcs is simple. 'darcs init' = new repository. 'darcs add somefile' = new file or directory. 'darcs record' = record the change (a.k.a. svn commit). |
| 14:04.12 | Cruciformer | having looked at the internals of both I just get warmer fuzies from the svn code. |
| 14:04.31 | Jerub | i use mercurial at work now |
| 14:04.33 | Polarina | 'darcs rollback' |
| 14:04.42 | Cruciformer | git looks too much like a long series of hacks, svn looks like well designed and engineered code. |
| 14:04.49 | Polarina | 'darcs obliterate' = deletes a patch and its history. |
| 14:04.55 | foxlit | Look, "darcs" is 5 letters, "git" is 3. I'm sure I've made my point. |
| 14:05.04 | Polarina | foxlit: alias! |
| 14:05.14 | Jerub | hg is 2! |
| 14:05.28 | Jerub | also, git<tab> is a travesty. |
| 14:05.39 | cbreak | svn well designed? |
| 14:05.44 | cbreak | it doesn't even have branches |
| 14:05.45 | Cruciformer | so is p4 ... but you wouldnt catchme using PerForce again unless it came with a 6-figure salary |
| 14:05.52 | cbreak | all it has are folders |
| 14:05.56 | Cruciformer | cbreak: yes it does :P |
| 14:06.23 | foxlit | In short, I don't use wowi's svn or curse's code hosting because I have no interest in sharing my intermediate revisions with the world. |
| 14:06.42 | Polarina | In darcs, you create a branch like this: cd .. && mkdir my-branch && darcs pull the-repository-i-wish-to-branch |
| 14:06.49 | Cruciformer | foxlit: Im with you on that one. |
| 14:06.50 | Polarina | Of course, cd my-branch in middle. :P |
| 14:06.57 | cbreak | in git I just say git branch |
| 14:07.23 | cbreak | or, should I want independent working directories, git clone |
| 14:07.25 | foxlit | Which relegates source control to just keeping my backups, and, at that point, there just isn't that much functionality I need from whatever software I end up using. |
| 14:08.30 | Polarina | Cairenn: Ping! |
| 14:08.41 | Cairenn | Polarina: pong |
| 14:08.43 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/content/store/out.svg |
| 14:08.52 | foxlit | I did make a pretty graph based on git blame, though |
| 14:08.56 | Polarina | Cairenn: Can you also provide support for darcs repositories, instead of just subversion? |
| 14:09.08 | foxlit | [The delta jump just makes me think I need to handle file splitting better] |
| 14:09.08 | Cairenn | you need to talk to Dolby about that |
| 14:09.11 | cbreak | git's more important! :) |
| 14:09.23 | Polarina | Dolby: Ping! |
| 14:09.27 | Cairenn | I know he's trying to get git in place (think he may be getting close on that) |
| 14:09.31 | Cairenn | he's sleeping right now |
| 14:09.36 | Polarina | Oh. |
| 14:12.08 | Stanzilla | foxlit: http://pastey.net/130417 |
| 14:12.24 | foxlit | Oh. Hum. |
| 14:12.33 | foxlit | Well, don't click that box. |
| 14:12.40 | Stanzilla | ok! :P |
| 14:13.02 | foxlit | Thanks for the heads up, though, I'll get it removed :) |
| 14:13.14 | Stanzilla | np :) |
| 14:18.11 | Jerub | curious |
| 14:18.28 | Jerub | wowhead reckons BiS cloak for a bear is the 264 frost emblem one |
| 14:18.34 | Jerub | might have to buy that |
| 14:20.16 | Gnarfoz | and since when is Wowhead a good measure to find out what's BiS? :P |
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| 14:20.40 | Gnarfoz | all they offer is stat weights |
| 14:21.06 | ZorbaTHut | hilariously broken stat weights too, I wouldn't trust their stat weights as far as I could throw them |
| 14:21.24 | Jerub | :'( |
| 14:21.30 | A-KO | I just look at stats and know what I'm looking for in gear, and trade off if I have any problems with it. |
| 14:21.34 | A-KO | How difficult is that? |
| 14:21.35 | foxlit | That is an interesting perversion of the metaphor. |
| 14:21.49 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, well, I can't think of a way I could theoretically throw them |
| 14:21.55 | ZorbaTHut | and I trust them *less than that* |
| 14:22.05 | foxlit | Would you trust them further than you could throw them, though? |
| 14:22.16 | ZorbaTHut | I would trust them strictly less than I could throw them. |
| 14:22.23 | ZorbaTHut | Yes, this implies negative trust. |
| 14:22.31 | ZorbaTHut | Step 1 look at wowhead stat weights |
| 14:22.34 | foxlit | But if you cant throw them, that becomes ill-defined, not negative. |
| 14:22.35 | ZorbaTHut | Step 2 do something different |
| 14:22.43 | ZorbaTHut | congratulations you probably have better stat weights than wowhead |
| 14:23.25 | Jerub | i think it's bed time for me |
| 14:23.28 | ZorbaTHut | seriously, last time I checked, wowhead's fury warrior ratings had Str at 34 and AP at 100 |
| 14:23.39 | ZorbaTHut | but every point of Str gives 2 AP *base* for plate classes |
| 14:23.50 | ZorbaTHut | there is absolutely no way str should ever be less than twice AP |
| 14:24.06 | Gnarfoz | well, you can always put in your own values |
| 14:24.31 | ZorbaTHut | sure, I'm just saying that the values that wowhead provides should be entirely ignored |
| 14:25.03 | foxlit | You'll be delighted to know that strength is now 82 while AP is 31 |
| 14:25.15 | ZorbaTHut | ah, I guess they finally got around to fixing them, 3/4 of the way through Wrath |
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| 14:45.07 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Actually, AP can sometimes be better than strength |
| 14:46.09 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, I do not believe you :P Explain how a stat that automatically and instantly turns into 2ap, and more, can be better than 1ap. |
| 14:52.02 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: You're right, I was just fucking with you. :P |
| 14:52.30 | ZorbaTHut | bluff called. ;) |
| 14:53.40 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: However, if you'rea paladin or a DK, eating fish feasts is still better than eating str food. |
| 14:54.33 | ZorbaTHut | for the spellpower? |
| 14:54.38 | DWSR | yes |
| 14:54.43 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I could believe that |
| 14:55.08 | DWSR | So yeah, I wasn't entirely bluffing. |
| 14:55.20 | DWSR | But that's a pretty unique case. Most times it's better to take str because it scales better with kings |
| 14:55.24 | ZorbaTHut | yes you were. AP still isn't better than strength |
| 14:55.29 | ZorbaTHut | but SP+AP can be. |
| 14:55.45 | zenzelezz | /2, once again proving people don't read patch notes |
| 14:55.56 | nevcairiel | s/patch notes// |
| 14:55.58 | zenzelezz | "LFM naxx25 anub+sapph+kt" "so full run then" |
| 14:55.59 | ZorbaTHut | that's like saying "sometimes spirit is better than strength for plate classes, if the spirit comes along with a pile of crit and arpen and haste and ap and also strength" :P |
| 14:56.03 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: lol |
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| 14:57.12 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: lol |
| 14:59.19 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Can't wait for the Cata changes. int stacking. >.< |
| 14:59.26 | DWSR | It's worth spellpower and crit and haste! |
| 14:59.41 | DWSR | You know all those stats that you were trying to get before? Well, now you only need 1 stat forever! |
| 14:59.56 | ZorbaTHut | yeah I'm pretty sure that is not actually what's going to happen |
| 15:02.34 | cbreak | spell power |
| 15:02.37 | cbreak | no, wait, haste |
| 15:02.42 | cbreak | no, wait, hit rating |
| 15:02.49 | cbreak | no, wait, int |
| 15:03.03 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Why not? We're getting hit and +% dmg from mastery. |
| 15:03.15 | cbreak | all stats could be merged into one. "DPS" |
| 15:03.55 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, largely because I don't think Blizzard is stupid enough to completely remove all itemization from the game, and certainly not deluded enough to remove it while pretending that they're not doing so. |
| 15:04.17 | nevcairiel | funny how people always believe that they would do that |
| 15:04.30 | nevcairiel | they want to simplify itemization, which is great, but they dont want to destroy it completly |
| 15:04.56 | nevcairiel | they have been adding new posisble stats with every expansion, about time they clean that up a bit again |
| 15:05.37 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it was getting kind of ridiculous |
| 15:12.04 | DWSR | Not really. =\ |
| 15:12.04 | DWSR | I agree with removing the "mandatory talent" (e.g. Fire & Brimstone) |
| 15:12.04 | DWSR | But itemization simplification is just casual catering. |
| 15:12.04 | DWSR | You could not be optimally geared and still do decent DPS in a heroic. |
| 15:12.04 | DWSR | Now it will be much easier to reach optimal gearing. |
| 15:12.04 | ZorbaTHut | man, I'm sorry, but I have eight DPS stats and I have no bloody clue how they interact. I just lean on a spreadsheet and be done with it. |
| 15:12.04 | DWSR | s/heroic/heroic and raid/ |
| 15:12.04 | ZorbaTHut | if "casual catering" is the same thing as "not requiring the playerbase to use third-party tools that they don't understand anyway", then I'm all for it. |
| 15:12.04 | nevcairiel | yeah except the people that write those spreadsheets, most people just have no clue how the stats actually work |
| 15:12.04 | nevcairiel | they just use those sheets |
| 15:12.05 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, and I'm saying this as a dude who maintains one of the spreadsheets on EJ. |
| 15:12.05 | ZorbaTHut | the entire situation is ridiculous. |
| 15:12.05 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I understand how the DPS stats interact for casters. I've never taken a look at the math for melee, but *shrug* |
| 15:12.05 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: It's complicated. That's fine by me. |
| 15:12.05 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, sure, but why should it be complicated? what does it accomplish? |
| 15:12.05 | ZorbaTHut | well, first, it scares off people who don't want to use a spreadsheet. |
| 15:12.05 | nevcairiel | As long as you actually need a spreadsheet, the system is broken |
| 15:12.05 | ZorbaTHut | second, it lets people be elitists. |
| 15:12.05 | ZorbaTHut | third, |
| 15:12.05 | ZorbaTHut | oh wait there isn't a third because that's all it accomplishes. |
| 15:12.05 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: People will be elitists no matter what the situation is. |
| 15:12.05 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: So your second point is moot |
| 15:12.05 | DWSR | And scaring people off from using tools to allow them to push their character's maximum potential? I think you're confusing that with people who don't care enough to take the time to do the work |
| 15:12.05 | DWSR | While some people may be intimidated, I'll grant you, by in large, most people are just lazy cunts. |
| 15:12.21 | ZorbaTHut | there's degrees of elitism. |
| 15:12.33 | nevcairiel | you shouldnt be required to get a spreadsheet and come up with complicated math just for some stat combinations |
| 15:12.34 | ZorbaTHut | you shouldn't *need* the tools, is what I'm saying. |
| 15:12.37 | nevcairiel | thats all. |
| 15:12.40 | A-KO | ZorbaTHut: why shouldn't you? |
| 15:12.42 | A-KO | it's an MMO RPG |
| 15:12.44 | A-KO | they will always exist |
| 15:12.51 | ZorbaTHut | seriously sit down without any external references and figure out what the optimal build for your character is. |
| 15:12.53 | A-KO | as long as there are "rotations", and gear sets, and options, these tools will exist. |
| 15:12.55 | ZorbaTHut | prove it mathematically. good luck. |
| 15:13.18 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, they shouldn't be as mandatory as they are today. people should be able to look at the stats and have some instinctual and correct feeling on which is correct. |
| 15:13.21 | nevcairiel | A-KO: of course, but right now, they are basically required if you want to maximize your performance, because its so fucking complicated |
| 15:13.21 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: We're arguing on a design point, here. |
| 15:13.49 | nevcairiel | the argument is pointless anyway, since blizzard already made their choice to simplify stuff |
| 15:13.57 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Like I said, I reserve my judgement, but from what I've seen of Blizzard's planned simplification, it's pretty much just casual catering anyway. |
| 15:14.00 | ZorbaTHut | so instead people just go type in "moonkin spec" and find the cookiecutter and don't bother understanding anything, because how the fuck *could* anyone understand it without putting months of work in or just reading the posts made by the people who put that work in. |
| 15:14.06 | A-KO | no they're not nevcairiel, they're not required at all--I have never used a spreadsheet to achieve the performance I do, and most people really don't need to......some people do because it allows them to do it, but most people in this game have far more to address about their performance than the rotation that gives them the highest DPS. |
| 15:14.19 | ZorbaTHut | nev, IMHO that's a terrible statement - we're not arguing about what blizzard should do, we're talking about the merits of their decision. |
| 15:14.57 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: While I don't understand (or claim to understand) every piece of mathematics involved, I do know enough about how the weights of certain stats are calculated to understand why the formula is so. |
| 15:15.07 | A-KO | they are simplifying things, but this is mostly not to really simplify it, but mostly to keep the gear move going on. Right now you have people who argue for gear that's 5 patches behind for providing the best DPS for a specific rotation, and they'd rather a cleaner upgrade path, and less upgrade resistance. |
| 15:15.13 | nevcairiel | DWSR: you're just an elitist who thinks every change not going in your direction is casual catering, imho =) |
| 15:15.31 | nevcairiel | casuals pay for the game |
| 15:15.34 | nevcairiel | not elitists |
| 15:15.36 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I've been more than happy with some of the changes that they've made that are considered 'casual catering' |
| 15:15.37 | A-KO | I don't give a damn what they do |
| 15:15.40 | A-KO | I pay for 3 WoW accounts |
| 15:15.43 | A-KO | so I am worth 3x as much |
| 15:15.47 | A-KO | :P |
| 15:15.50 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Like gating the content, for example. |
| 15:15.54 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, in fairness, *most* of that is wacky trinkets and tier bonuses |
| 15:16.08 | ZorbaTHut | and their tier bonuses are badly-thought-out in the first place. |
| 15:16.26 | DWSR | The tier bonuses for a lot of classes make me scratch my head. |
| 15:16.38 | DWSR | Same with the fact that they're not offering a spellcaster no-hit trinket option for badges. wtf is that shit. |
| 15:16.39 | A-KO | ZorbaTHut: true, but some of it comes from just flat movement in stats--for example, a piece of gear might have more stam and mana, but the same or lesser spell power. So they don't move to it because it doesn't upgrade the specific stat that they need. (For the record, I almost always take upgrades). |
| 15:16.40 | nevcairiel | they can't produce OP bonuses or people wouldnt wear non-tier gear |
| 15:16.46 | ZorbaTHut | the problem is that the vast majority of them are multiplicative damage increases, and significant ones |
| 15:16.50 | ZorbaTHut | they're *too* powerful |
| 15:17.13 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Too powerful is relative. |
| 15:17.17 | A-KO | I'm in favor of simplifying everything out, to be honest |
| 15:17.24 | A-KO | what they're doing with stats isn't really casual catering IMO |
| 15:17.30 | A-KO | because nothing about it changes how I will play the game |
| 15:17.34 | ZorbaTHut | if I can get a 5% damage increase by wearing two pieces of gear a tier behind, it's probably worthwhile. so they have to either agonizingly balance each tier bonus against each other, or they have to introduce tier bonus power creep |
| 15:17.38 | A-KO | hardcore, through the top, to my best performance. |
| 15:17.48 | ZorbaTHut | which, thanks to their multiplicative behavior, would mean tier gear near-instantly dominates all non-tier gear |
| 15:18.09 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, I'm saying that it's too powerful to get the item upgrade behavior that they're intending. |
| 15:18.16 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: You make that sound like that's an instrinsicly bad thing. =\ |
| 15:18.28 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, according to blizzard's standard design and intentions, it is. |
| 15:18.32 | DWSR | intrinsic* |
| 15:18.41 | A-KO | casual catering is the kind of stuff where they dumb down raid fights to allow pugs to pull it off. If a raid is puggable, it is not difficult enough. Casual catering is what they intend to do with mana regen (and make it pretty much a non-issue). |
| 15:19.03 | DWSR | A-KO: I thought that they intended to make mana regen more of a limiting factor. =\ |
| 15:19.05 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, if the hardest form of a raid is puggale, it is not difficult enough. |
| 15:19.07 | foxlit | Wait, mana regen is an issue? |
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| 15:19.11 | ZorbaTHut | *puggable |
| 15:19.13 | foxlit | What kind of casual hippie are you?! |
| 15:19.17 | DWSR | foxlit: inorite? |
| 15:19.21 | DWSR | You're Doing It Wrong(tm) |
| 15:19.29 | ZorbaTHut | also last I hear they were planning on making healer mana regen into an issue again |
| 15:19.33 | nevcairiel | mana hasnt been a issue for whole 3.x |
| 15:19.40 | A-KO | foxlit: mana regen has not been an issue to me, but from what I've been reading they intend to make mana a less limiting factor, since rogues and warriors are't really limited by this ceiling per say. |
| 15:19.46 | A-KO | at least last time I read |
| 15:19.46 | ZorbaTHut | (though I'm not quite sure how they're going to, but) |
| 15:19.49 | A-KO | it was in the pipes for cata |
| 15:19.52 | A-KO | hmm |
| 15:19.52 | foxlit | A-KO: you're reading the wrong things. |
| 15:19.54 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, I believe they're trying to make it a non-issue for mana-using dps classes |
| 15:19.54 | A-KO | okay then |
| 15:19.54 | DWSR | A-KO: No, they are planning to nerf mana regen significantly. |
| 15:19.56 | ZorbaTHut | not for healers |
| 15:20.00 | foxlit | I was under the impression it's the exact opposite. |
| 15:20.01 | A-KO | ahh ZorbaTHut |
| 15:20.02 | nevcairiel | they want to limit healers by mana again |
| 15:20.08 | nevcairiel | because right now its too easy |
| 15:20.10 | A-KO | good, as long as they give us potions back :P |
| 15:20.12 | DWSR | *way* too easy. |
| 15:20.13 | A-KO | I'm all for it |
| 15:20.19 | ZorbaTHut | fuck potions |
| 15:20.27 | DWSR | like, spam HL to your heart's content paladin spam. |
| 15:20.30 | foxlit | Should remove alchemy from the game, clearly. |
| 15:20.30 | ZorbaTHut | chainchugging potions is a terrible mechanic |
| 15:20.31 | A-KO | honestly, I was REALLY disappointed with the potion change. |
| 15:20.38 | ZorbaTHut | I am all for the current state of potions. |
| 15:20.41 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 15:20.45 | DWSR | It's a cooldown |
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| 15:21.00 | foxlit | It's an /inconsistent/ cooldown. |
| 15:21.05 | nevcairiel | i like the potions this way, no need to stockpile 100's for a single raid day |
| 15:21.08 | A-KO | ZorbaTHut: I like the idea of requiring players to have extra things in order to help boost their damage/dps/healing/whatever. Right now it's pretty much set it and forget it, and potion use has gone significantly down. |
| 15:21.26 | foxlit | If you're using them for survivability, that is. Death to healing and absorption potions? |
| 15:21.31 | DWSR | A-KO: I never use my healthstones, but that's because I don't do stupid shit like get stuck in enviro. |
| 15:21.31 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, I don't like the idea of requiring players to grind out-of-raid in order to have acceptable performance in-raid. raiding should not be an enormous money sink just to do it |
| 15:21.42 | DWSR | A-KO: When I die, a 8k health pot wouldn't have saved me anyway. |
| 15:22.10 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I don't entirely agree. There should be *some* money investment, but I like things the way that they are now vs. how they used to be. |
| 15:22.11 | foxlit | want enchanting oils back, tbh. |
| 15:22.15 | DWSR | No. |
| 15:22.21 | nevcairiel | DWSR: repair costs! |
| 15:22.22 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, I think feasts/flasks/repairs are enough, myself |
| 15:22.25 | DWSR | Ma fire/spellstones be unique negro. |
| 15:22.29 | A-KO | ZorbaTHut: See, I don't mind that. I think for the top end of the top end content, it should be there and a necessity. I guess at the end of the day, gating content off provides a more concrete mechanism of slowing raids down, but I just don't think it's as elegant. |
| 15:22.44 | ZorbaTHut | I'd prefer to have difficulty be the slowdown |
| 15:22.47 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 15:22.53 | ZorbaTHut | not "you have to go grind whelp eyeballs for 12 hours" |
| 15:22.53 | foxlit | I wouldn't. |
| 15:22.54 | A-KO | yes, but "difficulty" is subjective |
| 15:23.01 | foxlit | Not for non-hardmode content. |
| 15:23.02 | ZorbaTHut | sure, and I'm fine with that. |
| 15:23.02 | DWSR | A-KO: No, it's not really. |
| 15:23.11 | ZorbaTHut | grinding is boring, and that's not subjective. so let's remove it. :D |
| 15:23.28 | nevcairiel | some people are known to actually like grinding |
| 15:23.29 | DWSR | A-KO: If something is so difficult that only the top 1% of all guilds can clear it at this point in time, it's the right difficulty level. |
| 15:23.37 | DWSR | nevcairiel: They're asian gold farmers. |
| 15:23.40 | A-KO | see, I miss the heavy grinds--I miss the AQ rep grind for the gate opening, I miss the heavy guild building items of Sulfuras/TF |
| 15:23.53 | nevcairiel | the AQ rep grind was actually kinda fun |
| 15:23.59 | foxlit | For. one. person. |
| 15:24.01 | DWSR | That wasn't a bad rep grind. |
| 15:24.08 | A-KO | I'm hoping that come Cataclysm with the changes to guild items, we will see more of that |
| 15:24.16 | A-KO | so now, a legendary is a property of a guild, rather than the player |
| 15:24.16 | ZorbaTHut | the nice thing about the AQ rep grind is that most people didn't have to care. |
| 15:24.20 | A-KO | which should make it much nicer |
| 15:24.21 | nevcairiel | or rather the grind for the materials for the gate opening |
| 15:24.22 | ZorbaTHut | at all. |
| 15:24.24 | nevcairiel | not the rep itself |
| 15:24.36 | A-KO | nevcairiel: the people who actually had to do the opening had to grind the silithids for rep :P |
| 15:24.49 | A-KO | actually I think it was an item turn in |
| 15:24.50 | A-KO | IIRC |
| 15:24.54 | A-KO | but it was still grinding for rep |
| 15:25.02 | foxlit | The item was a drop. |
| 15:25.04 | nevcairiel | you could trade those silithid drops |
| 15:25.09 | A-KO | yeah |
| 15:25.13 | foxlit | So meh. Not fun. |
| 15:25.27 | nevcairiel | but grinding linen cloth or so, that was kinda funny |
| 15:25.30 | foxlit | At the state AQ released in, though, they needed the slowdown. |
| 15:25.46 | A-KO | I don't know, I kind of miss the big guild differentiating events, the things where your guild could lay claim to on the server. |
| 15:26.00 | A-KO | I'm glad they incorporated some of that into the achievement system |
| 15:26.02 | A-KO | server firsts, etc. |
| 15:26.12 | A-KO | they at least recognize those players |
| 15:26.17 | nevcairiel | i wonder what guild achievements will get us in cata |
| 15:26.27 | A-KO | There was something about being one of the first people to ever see Ragnaros on your server |
| 15:26.40 | airtonix | mentioning grind and wow in the same sentence....i lol@you |
| 15:26.50 | A-KO | yeah, WoW isn't really a huge grind |
| 15:26.56 | airtonix | its not even close |
| 15:27.12 | A-KO | I think the closest it gets to really grinding is that damn rep for the elves in DM |
| 15:27.14 | A-KO | lol |
| 15:27.14 | foxlit | It's repetitive failing to the same 13 bosses. |
| 15:27.17 | ZorbaTHut | I kind of wish they'd remove the no-longer-achieveable mounts from the mount-count achievements |
| 15:27.27 | A-KO | ZorbaTHut: but you don't need them for the achievement |
| 15:27.29 | ZorbaTHut | of course I also wish they'd make it so that mounts were always achievable, but in a lesser form |
| 15:27.39 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, sure, I'm fine with that. you don't need them anyway, and you shouldn't. |
| 15:27.40 | A-KO | honestly, one of the things I hope they change is the mount interface come Cataclysm |
| 15:27.41 | airtonix | everything you do in wow is optional and fun. |
| 15:27.48 | ZorbaTHut | if something is no longer gettable it's a feat of strength :P |
| 15:28.08 | A-KO | ZorbaTHut: they count towards the achievement, but are not required for it. |
| 15:28.10 | A-KO | that's fine to me |
| 15:28.28 | A-KO | what I"m hoping is that they upgrade that horrid mount interface, merging it in with the companion interface was just lazy |
| 15:28.36 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not a huge fan of it - it means that any future achievements will be easy for some people while extremely difficult for others |
| 15:28.42 | A-KO | and that's a problem? |
| 15:28.44 | foxlit | A-KO: meh, it's workable. |
| 15:28.47 | A-KO | I don't see anything wrong with that |
| 15:28.58 | foxlit | Fix it in an addon if it annoys you so much -- I honestly don't know what I'd change about it. |
| 15:28.58 | ZorbaTHut | based solely on their previous behavior when neither of them even knew the situation was going to come up |
| 15:29.15 | A-KO | foxlit: I guess it won't be a huge deal come Cata when you can fly everywhere, but because I have like 80 mounts, it's nice to have randomization--but you get 0 information on the mount itself, so you have to build those tables into UI mods. |
| 15:29.19 | A-KO | and that's just, inefficient to me. |
| 15:29.33 | foxlit | So it's not the interface you have a problem with? |
| 15:29.36 | foxlit | But "efficiency"? |
| 15:29.49 | ZorbaTHut | I *do* wish that all your 280% mounts would turn into 310% mounts when you got your first 310% |
| 15:29.53 | A-KO | no, it's the interface, because you can't grab information on a particular mount. You can't tell whether it's a flying mount or not, you can't tell the speed, nothing. |
| 15:29.58 | ZorbaTHut | as much as I like my violet protodrake, I kind of want some variety. |
| 15:30.02 | foxlit | You, the user, can. |
| 15:30.09 | foxlit | Your addons can't. Well, too bad for them. |
| 15:30.19 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, not terribly easily. you have to mouseover each one and read the text. |
| 15:30.30 | nevcairiel | Anything the user can figure out in the game, an addon can too |
| 15:30.32 | A-KO | yes, that's from a pure addon perspective to me. And yes, as the user, kind of sucks, too. |
| 15:30.36 | nevcairiel | even when it comes down to tooltip scanning |
| 15:30.44 | foxlit | nevcairiel: apparently we're limited to elegant solutions in addons. |
| 15:30.48 | ZorbaTHut | nev, is it possible to generate those tooltips without waiting for the user to mouseover, though? |
| 15:30.50 | foxlit | Everything is clearly hackable. |
| 15:30.51 | A-KO | yeah, but they don't specify speeds in tooltips. |
| 15:30.56 | nevcairiel | ZorbaTHut: of course |
| 15:31.05 | A-KO | They just go "This is a very fast mount" |
| 15:31.05 | ZorbaTHut | ah, that's better then |
| 15:31.11 | ZorbaTHut | still, not everything is included in the mount tooltip :P |
| 15:31.13 | A-KO | and I don't think that differs from 280 to 310 mounts |
| 15:31.14 | nevcairiel | dont they say "fast mound", very fast, extremly fast? |
| 15:31.19 | A-KO | oh |
| 15:31.26 | airtonix | http://games.on.net/app/4558/Otherland |
| 15:31.38 | ZorbaTHut | nope, just "very fast" |
| 15:31.51 | Polarina | Can't you use the itemid? |
| 15:31.52 | ZorbaTHut | there's no difference between 280 and 310 mounts via tooltip |
| 15:31.56 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45802 |
| 15:31.58 | foxlit | "extremely fast" |
| 15:32.01 | ZorbaTHut | (although once you have the buff, you can mouseover it) |
| 15:32.17 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=60024 |
| 15:32.20 | ZorbaTHut | "very fast" |
| 15:32.36 | ZorbaTHut | (okay, no reliable difference :D) |
| 15:32.37 | foxlit | File a bug. |
| 15:32.38 | foxlit | <3 |
| 15:32.39 | nevcairiel | is wowhead kinda slow for anyone else? |
| 15:32.39 | A-KO | the spell is what's used in the companion sheet |
| 15:33.03 | A-KO | nevcairiel: it's been like that for a bit |
| 15:33.05 | nevcairiel | anyway a id list for all 310 mounts would be pretty short and maintain-able |
| 15:33.09 | ZorbaTHut | nev, yeah, it seems to be a bit crunchy right now |
| 15:33.12 | foxlit | A-KO: makes no difference; they both show the same wording. |
| 15:33.46 | A-KO | nevcairiel: sure, but that doesn't preclude the fact that you might want to pull more information, flying versus ground, 60% versus 100%, 160% versus 280% versus 310% |
| 15:34.06 | foxlit | A-KO: all are very much addon problems. |
| 15:34.11 | foxlit | Not user problems. |
| 15:34.33 | foxlit | So yeah, it'd be nice if they spilled more beans about those companions. |
| 15:34.47 | foxlit | However, that's an API issue rather than a UI issue. |
| 15:34.49 | A-KO | yes |
| 15:34.57 | A-KO | never said it wasn't :P |
| 15:35.11 | A-KO | just said that I wish they make it possible come Cataclysm |
| 15:35.21 | ZorbaTHut | well, the fact that people write UI mods to make mounts more manageable is, in fact, a UI issue ;) |
| 15:35.23 | nevcairiel | make a request |
| 15:35.29 | ZorbaTHut | the fact that it's difficult to do so is an API issue. |
| 15:35.34 | nevcairiel | people write UI mods for every part of the UI |
| 15:35.39 | foxlit | "upgrade that horrid mount interface" << I'd suggest rewording :) |
| 15:35.49 | nevcairiel | the default UI is perfectly usable |
| 15:35.52 | nevcairiel | not always the best |
| 15:35.53 | nevcairiel | but usable |
| 15:36.04 | ZorbaTHut | nev, many of them are just done for the sake of prettiness, or adding entire new features. however, many of them do indeed fix UI issues. |
| 15:36.34 | ZorbaTHut | technically speaking the WoW 1.0 UI was usable. That doesn't mean it shouldn't have been improved upon. |
| 15:36.54 | nevcairiel | wow 1.0 was missing some key elements in the UI, like raid frames |
| 15:37.04 | foxlit | wow 1.0 had raids? |
| 15:37.11 | foxlit | </silly> |
| 15:37.14 | ZorbaTHut | eh, those aren't necessary. you can just click on the user you want to target |
| 15:37.14 | ZorbaTHut | :D |
| 15:37.21 | nevcairiel | yeah, like that works :P |
| 15:37.27 | foxlit | It worked for MC, tbh |
| 15:37.33 | nevcairiel | you can also /cast your mount |
| 15:37.34 | nevcairiel | why a ui |
| 15:37.36 | ZorbaTHut | works about as well as trying to dig through your mount list to find the one you want |
| 15:37.37 | foxlit | Click on the giant, press follow. |
| 15:37.40 | nevcairiel | in MC everyone used CT_RA :P |
| 15:37.41 | foxlit | or, er, assist. |
| 15:38.03 | nevcairiel | DPS doesnt need raidframes now <.< |
| 15:39.20 | Fisker | it is cold here nevcairiel |
| 15:39.46 | nevcairiel | Fisker: go to MC, its warm there |
| 15:41.31 | foxlit | # Why don't we have a druid tank Rag? |
| 15:47.22 | Fisker | it's been brrrrrrrrrrr since mc froze over nevcairiel |
| 15:50.01 | foxlit | http://www.thefump.com/fump.php?id=1250 << Cute. |
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| 16:06.06 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/horatio_classes.jpg |
| 16:08.25 | zenzelezz | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Proven-Fix.aspx |
| 16:09.06 | Sesshu | is there a way to get the number of chat frames someone uses? |
| 16:10.09 | tem|afk | adys why |
| 16:13.10 | Fisker | yay |
| 16:13.13 | Fisker | no killing babies |
| 16:19.42 | amro | zenzelezz: that's awesome. don't need tests when you have some good ol' graph paper |
| 16:20.14 | zenzelezz | amro: yeah, and just think of all the money he saved them by discovering that the whole simulator was bugged? |
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| 16:26.47 | ZorbaTHut | man, how many times have I managed to prove a bug can't exist |
| 16:27.01 | ZorbaTHut | it's amazing how rarely the bug is willing to conform to mathematical reality :( |
| 16:27.40 | nevcairiel | and yet, it somehow does! |
| 16:27.52 | nevcairiel | (exist) |
| 16:28.25 | ZorbaTHut | yes, it's quite irritating when that occurs |
| 16:29.01 | ZorbaTHut | at my last job it actually became a bit of a running joke |
| 16:29.35 | ZorbaTHut | "hey zorba, how's the bughunting going?" "well, the good news is that I've managed to prove it doesn't exist. the bad news is that I haven't yet convinced it of that" |
| 16:32.16 | cbreak | proving code with todays code bases is very time consuming |
| 16:32.19 | cbreak | too many variables |
| 16:45.41 | Fisker | i am freezing ZorbaTHut |
| 16:48.40 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, put on some clothes? |
| 16:52.39 | airtonix | fisker, get out of the freezer |
| 16:53.04 | airtonix | and get yourself a real cpu cooling solution |
| 16:59.55 | ckknight | cbreak: that's why we shouldn't use variables, imo |
| 16:59.56 | ckknight | :P |
| 17:00.18 | ckknight | I don't like that mutability is by default in the languages I use |
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| 17:12.08 | nevcairiel | you prefer the completly static systems in the languages from 40 years ago? :d |
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| 17:17.55 | krka | java isn't 40 years old :) |
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| 17:33.07 | Dolby | looking at tomtom you have r235 |
| 17:33.18 | Dolby | oops miss |
| 17:33.43 | Lopeppeppy | Turn around, take a different exit? *giggle* |
| 17:33.46 | nevcairiel | krka: java at least has some mutability through dynamic linking and generics |
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| 18:11.21 | Fisker | oh u Dolby |
| 18:13.08 | Cruciformer | god I love microsoft |
| 18:13.36 | Cruciformer | 10 MSDN premium subscriptions for 3 years at $100 a year, just for filling out a form. |
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| 18:17.32 | nevcairiel | so 10 per subscription? or 100 per? :d |
| 18:18.40 | Cruciformer | its 10 full MSDN premoum subscriptions, and 10 keys per product per subscription, so 100 win7 keys for example |
| 18:19.27 | Cruciformer | and 20 support incidens (2 per subscription) |
| 18:19.35 | Cruciformer | thats a lot of money if u buy it the normal way. |
| 18:21.09 | Cruciformer | I think each MSDN premium subscription costs nearly $10K if you buy it normally. |
| 18:21.36 | nevcairiel | indeed, those things are costly |
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| 18:22.18 | Cruciformer | I just think its a fantastic program MS has (this BizSpark thing). Really helps smaller software companies get in the game and able to compete on an equal fotting without bankrupting themselves. |
| 18:22.35 | Cruciformer | s /fotting/footing/g |
| 18:28.42 | ckknight | oh yea, BizSpark is totally sweet. |
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| 18:29.33 | krka | nevcairiel: generics has nothing to do with mutability |
| 18:32.29 | ckknight | nevcairiel: by mutability I mean variables |
| 18:32.48 | ckknight | as in variables that change |
| 18:32.50 | ckknight | rather than read-only |
| 18:32.56 | ckknight | so in loops they're good |
| 18:33.06 | ckknight | but for a lot of other things, it's nicer to just have it defined once and only once |
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| 18:34.34 | nevcairiel | variables that change .. wait, isnt the what variables always do? :P |
| 18:35.05 | ckknight | I |
| 18:35.16 | ckknight | I'm not sure the right name for an immutable variable |
| 18:35.25 | ckknight | I'm basically referring to a stack-level const |
| 18:35.27 | krka | const in c, final i java |
| 18:36.10 | krka | in my experience, final is very nice for member variables, but usually overkill for local variables |
| 18:38.55 | ckknight | shrugs |
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| 18:52.14 | zenzelezz | <nevcairiel> variables that change .. wait, isnt the what variables always do? :P <--- no. A variable is often used to refer to a single value by name. Ie. no magic numbers |
| 18:52.38 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhA415Qya0g |
| 18:52.50 | krka | if anyone here is familiar with scala, they differentiate between "var" and "val" |
| 18:52.53 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: thats a constant |
| 18:53.11 | nevcairiel | variables are .. variable! |
| 18:53.15 | krka | var is like local in lua, val is a write once-thingy |
| 18:53.17 | zenzelezz | a constant variable |
| 18:53.37 | zenzelezz | the term "variable" sounds misleading, but the meaning in programming tends to be different from the literal meaning of the word |
| 18:54.09 | krka | in maths, variables don't really change, they're just unknown |
| 18:54.40 | nevcairiel | depending on your problem, a variable in math can also take many values |
| 18:54.51 | krka | zenzelezz: constants are generally considered to be global constants though, but a const-variable is only constant in its scope |
| 18:55.53 | zenzelezz | krka: that may be a better explanation, true |
| 18:58.03 | bleeter | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8423340.stm |
| 18:58.32 | krka | haskell uses "let" and "where" to define sort of constant variables |
| 18:58.34 | krka | really pretty |
| 18:59.14 | krka | aaa x y = let r = 3*x \n s = 6*y |
| 18:59.19 | krka | in r + s |
| 18:59.29 | krka | cool function definition! |
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| 19:19.52 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6yUCbqAGrg&feature=popt00us12 |
| 19:20.44 | Kraps | insanely awesome |
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| 19:47.00 | Cloudwolf | So the event UNIT_AURA only supplies the unit who gained an aura but doens't actualy give the buff id of the gain? |
| 19:47.03 | Cloudwolf | or loss |
| 19:48.48 | Cloudwolf | !api buff |
| 19:48.49 | lua_bot | Found 9 possible results for 'buff': UnitDebuff, CancelUnitBuff, luaL_loadbuffer, luaL_prepbuffer, GameTooltip:SetUnitBuff, luaL_buffinit, UnitBuff, GameTooltip:SetUnitDebuff, luaL_Buffer |
| 19:49.09 | Cloudwolf | !api UnitBuff |
| 19:49.10 | lua_bot | UnitBuff: Returns information about a buff on a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitBuff) |
| 19:52.40 | Cloudwolf | this channel is quiet heh |
| 19:52.40 | Gnarfoz | http://www.steorn.com/ :\ |
| 19:53.20 | Iriel | Gnarfoz: did they finally announce it was all a practical joke or something? |
| 19:53.46 | Gnarfoz | Iriel: they're publically presenting it now, with oscilloscopes attached 'n stuff |
| 19:53.54 | Iriel | And a battery |
| 19:54.17 | Gnarfoz | that, too |
| 19:54.38 | Gnarfoz | however they say they're recharging that same battery from the energy they get from the system |
| 19:54.49 | Iriel | Sure, they do say that. |
| 19:55.01 | Gnarfoz | they're trying to prove it, too :P |
| 19:55.30 | Iriel | Curious they dont allow external third parties to do the verification so that, you know, someone other than them might believe the result |
| 19:57.03 | airtonix | zero point nrg ? |
| 19:57.27 | airtonix | aka overunity |
| 19:57.39 | Iriel | that's their wild unverified claim |
| 19:59.28 | airtonix | my favourite is the searle effect generator |
| 19:59.52 | Gnarfoz | Iriel: well, who's an external third party? they've got several people in the second video ("Engineer's view"?) commenting on it |
| 20:00.06 | Gnarfoz | are you suggesting they're bought? ^^ |
| 20:00.37 | kd3 | suggesting? no, but I'm sure thinking it very loudly |
| 20:03.54 | Fisker | i'm brrr'ing kd3 |
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| 20:07.44 | Shirik | Ok, does anyone watch cartoon network? |
| 20:07.48 | Shirik | I think they've lost their minds |
| 20:07.52 | Fisker | your mom does Shirik |
| 20:08.38 | Shirik | one of their lead-outs has a christmas song that goes "Pinatas! Pinatas! Soon they will be full of soup, of soup. Pinatas, pinatas! Smash them, and lay in the goop!" |
| 20:09.57 | Lopeppeppy | Oh-kay. |
| 20:10.03 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds like Gollum is doing their writing. |
| 20:10.21 | Shirik | and that's just one of them |
| 20:10.23 | Shirik | they have a ton of them |
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| 20:11.33 | Fisker | why do you watch cartoon network Shirik ? |
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| 20:11.45 | Shirik | why not? |
| 20:11.51 | Shirik | nothing else good is own |
| 20:11.53 | Shirik | on |
| 20:12.12 | Fisker | i'm on all day |
| 20:14.01 | amro | Shirik: you have a computer and access to the internet |
| 20:14.09 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:14.14 | Shirik | but I leave the TV on |
| 20:22.26 | Adys | Shirik <3 |
| 20:23.00 | Wobin | It's nice to have background noise like the TV |
| 20:23.35 | Adys | When you're stranded on a shitty laptop, you start to appreciate the little things in life |
| 20:23.40 | Adys | Just like Shirik |
| 20:24.19 | Shirik | ^ |
| 20:24.34 | Shirik | is a little thing in life |
| 20:25.12 | Adys | you have many little things in life Shirik |
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| 20:28.35 | Wobin | that's what -she- said! |
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| 20:29.57 | krka | wtf, brittany murphy dead? i did not see that one coming |
| 20:30.50 | Wobin | full cardiac arrest? |
| 20:31.13 | Wobin | at 32? |
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| 20:36.27 | Wobin | http://18.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kuua9rnhWr1qzs56do1_500.jpg |
| 20:36.33 | Wobin | haz a bukkit ^ |
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| 20:39.16 | Wobin | oh god, Pike, I'd've dropped before the first boss... http://www.aspectofthehare.net/2009/12/tree-is-for-fight.html |
| 20:39.16 | olafski | dang they fixed the stratholme gate trick :< |
| 20:41.28 | kludg | do a lot of people have the epic ammo recipes on yalls servers. |
| 20:41.36 | olafski | a couple |
| 20:41.40 | kludg | cuz on mine, horde got bullets, and ally got arrows. its funny. |
| 20:41.42 | olafski | they're selling for about 2s a bullet |
| 20:41.57 | kludg | i made 6k yesterday reselling that junk. |
| 20:42.00 | olafski | there are plenty of rep runs going so I imagine it won't take long |
| 20:42.12 | kludg | yah u got a real server. im on noobcrank. |
| 20:46.13 | olafski | great conclusion wobin |
| 20:46.16 | olafski | "Oh, and for the love of all that is good and holy, if you are putting yourself in LFG as a tank (or healer), PLEASE BE PREPARED TO FILL THAT ROLE." |
| 20:47.15 | Thunder_Child | no |
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| 20:51.09 | Wobin | If I start seeing dps putting themselves in as tanks, I'm totally dropping group =P |
| 20:51.39 | Wobin | although, I wonder what the wait is for a tankless group |
| 20:51.39 | ZorbaTHut | I wouldn't, I'd just kick whoever's flagged as "tank" |
| 20:51.46 | ZorbaTHut | that way you end up in the front of the queue |
| 20:51.57 | Wobin | you can only kick one person, right? |
| 20:52.13 | ZorbaTHut | maybe, I'm not sure. it hasn't come up, I've only ever needed to kick one |
| 20:52.27 | ZorbaTHut | once a tank that hearthed midway through the instance and wouldn't respond to us saying "uh dude" |
| 20:53.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ls |
| 20:54.00 | ScytheBlade1 | whoops |
| 20:55.14 | zenzelezz | Wobin: I think you can kick multiple people, but that there's a cooldown (5 minutes?). This is me guessing though |
| 20:55.15 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk, ChanServ, ckknight, Dolby , Iriel , jnwhiteh |
| 20:55.24 | Wobin | ls's the channel =P |
| 20:55.25 | ckknight | howdy |
| 20:57.50 | ckknight | Wobin: yea, I rolled a pally, it's been great tanking. Also, I get a lot of praise of "thanks for knowing what you're doing" |
| 20:57.51 | ckknight | :P |
| 20:58.08 | zenzelezz | I get that on my warrior too |
| 20:58.12 | Wobin | ckknight, it's not hard to outdo the facerollers at times =P |
| 20:58.17 | zenzelezz | or more correctly... "thank god you're better than the previous tank" |
| 20:58.23 | ckknight | hehe |
| 20:58.30 | Wobin | much like "My god, you actually know what a rotation is?" |
| 20:59.11 | ckknight | yea, since it's low level I marked myself as having all roles. Got put in a group as the healer, did a good job, but the tank was a fury warrior, dual-wielding, totally let me die after I repeatedly said "on me", "a guy is on me", "<name>, get this guy off me" |
| 20:59.20 | ckknight | I am now only queued as tank :P |
| 20:59.26 | Wobin | hehe |
| 20:59.26 | ckknight | cause I just can't trust anyone else. |
| 20:59.27 | Wobin | I should try healing on my 76 druid |
| 20:59.40 | Wobin | or respec the kitty to bear |
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| 21:01.54 | Shirik | omg |
| 21:01.57 | Shirik | my neck, it is dying |
| 21:02.01 | Shirik | sleeping on couches ftl |
| 21:02.33 | zenzelezz | every computer nerd should be familiar with sleeping on floors |
| 21:02.52 | nevcairiel | i usually rather have a floor and a pillow then some couch |
| 21:07.08 | Lopeppeppy | No bedroom left at home, Shirik? |
| 21:07.25 | Shirik | that's complicated :) |
| 21:07.28 | Shirik | there's supposed to be |
| 21:08.05 | Iriel | Oddly enough my neck is dying also |
| 21:08.23 | Iriel | I have about a 120 degree range of motion |
| 21:08.43 | Cloudwolf | its called get off of the computer some time iriel? :D |
| 21:08.59 | zenzelezz | it's not as if he sleeps at the computer |
| 21:09.12 | Iriel | I blame air travel and general 'sort of have a cold'ness |
| 21:09.25 | zenzelezz | also, the solution is clearly porn; since you'd be frequently looking all around to make sure you're alone |
| 21:09.44 | Iriel | zenzelezz: Awesome, i'll write that one down |
| 21:10.20 | zenzelezz | looks cautiously around |
| 21:10.52 | Cloudwolf | i think that might be a motd now zenzelezz |
| 21:11.53 | Fisker | how dare you zenzelezz ? |
| 21:12.01 | Cloudwolf | O.o |
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| 21:21.05 | batrick | must... resist.. making ... web spider to find mah grunties |
| 21:21.23 | zenzelezz | grunties? |
| 21:21.28 | batrick | :( |
| 21:22.19 | zenzelezz | that's not quite the elaboration I was hoping for |
| 21:22.34 | Thunder_Child | serious fail zenzelezz |
| 21:22.45 | olafski | it seems the deserter debuff for dungeons is broken? |
| 21:22.50 | zenzelezz | what else is new Thunder_Child? |
| 21:23.31 | Thunder_Child | it's not like that was new either zenzelezz |
| 21:23.33 | batrick | !g grunty wowinterface |
| 21:23.34 | batbot | batrick: Winter Veil Gift Hunt! - WoWInterface <http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28923> |
| 21:23.37 | batrick | zenzelezz: ^ |
| 21:23.49 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: that's pretty much what the expression "what else is new" means, isn't it? |
| 21:23.50 | batrick | (great I just made more competition) |
| 21:26.24 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: "Yes the weather is so cold, but we do what we are told. Don our favorite underwear to keep our hats so warm." |
| 21:26.36 | batrick | man i'm good at guessing |
| 21:26.51 | zenzelezz | you keep your hats in your underwear? |
| 21:27.02 | Shirik | another Cartoon Network lead-out |
| 21:31.40 | batrick | anyone find all 20 words yet? |
| 21:32.02 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info14641-Chatbutton-Remover.html <- wat? |
| 21:39.00 | Shirik | "Find yourself on the giant fruitcake. You will get stuck. Then you'll see, you will be amazed, there's no way to scrape off the muck." |
| 21:39.28 | zenzelezz | why does that remind me of Zangarmarsh |
| 21:39.37 | Shirik | haha |
| 21:40.16 | Shirik | wow |
| 21:40.19 | Shirik | windows 7 epic fail |
| 21:40.30 | Shirik | I cannot rename New Text File.txt to .hgignore because "You must type a file name" |
| 21:40.48 | nevcairiel | you could never create a dot file on windows |
| 21:40.51 | nevcairiel | thats not new in 7 |
| 21:40.57 | Shirik | that's epic fail anyway |
| 21:41.51 | mikma | ok ... |
| 21:41.53 | mikma | http://pwnwear.com/dk-tank-specs/ |
| 21:42.03 | mikma | that page has ultimate widget at the bottomright of the page |
| 21:42.07 | mikma | i love it. alot. |
| 21:42.19 | Gryphon | you can open up notepad though and save a dot file |
| 21:42.30 | nevcairiel | yeah just explorer cant |
| 21:51.00 | _rane | mikma: I hope you don't mean that ugly "tag cloud" |
| 21:51.59 | mikma | yes, i mean that. it's not ugly, it's cool. you are just jealous that you are uglier than that one!!!11 |
| 21:52.44 | zenzelezz | I tend to dislike any and all tag clouds, whether they look good or not |
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| 21:53.08 | mikma | i dislike your face |
| 21:53.12 | mikma | oh sorry |
| 21:53.15 | mikma | sorry sorry |
| 21:53.21 | mikma | i had fisker-mode on :((( |
| 21:53.28 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 21:53.46 | zenzelezz | I just dislike them because I feel they're trying to tell me what I should consider important |
| 21:54.03 | mikma | i'm thinking that i should replace my radio-page with that |
| 21:54.09 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/radio/ |
| 21:54.15 | mikma | (finnish stations mostly) |
| 21:54.35 | zenzelezz | what's wrong with that list? |
| 21:54.58 | mikma | nothing |
| 21:55.06 | mikma | my friend made it for me :) |
| 22:03.18 | industrial | Any recount replacements? I only care about my own DPS and only current dps, no fight breakdowns etcetc |
| 22:03.30 | industrial | (no ldb) |
| 22:05.45 | Cairenn | mikma: heh |
| 22:08.15 | mikma | industrial: Skada? |
| 22:08.27 | mikma | altho, Skada and Recount usually give completely different DPS values |
| 22:08.36 | mikma | damage is something they have in common but DPS is way off |
| 22:09.39 | Jerub | yay, down to marrowstrike and my durable nerubhide cap as my lowest ilvl items |
| 22:10.42 | industrial | mikma: too big |
| 22:10.51 | industrial | just one FontString filled with DPS value is enough >_> |
| 22:11.08 | Yssaril | mikma: thats because there are alot of differnt schools of thought aout what your dps is |
| 22:11.52 | Yssaril | is it an average since you went into combat? average over the last several attacks? over the time you where active in combat? |
| 22:12.59 | industrial | dps = time / damage |
| 22:13.19 | jnwhiteh | my shitty combattracker addon shows you both =) |
| 22:13.26 | industrial | screw it, I'm making one. |
| 22:13.27 | industrial | jnwhiteh: linky? |
| 22:13.30 | Lopeppeppy | so neener neener |
| 22:13.32 | jnwhiteh | rolling dps when in combat, and static dps without |
| 22:13.36 | jnwhiteh | its not released |
| 22:13.42 | industrial | boo! |
| 22:13.45 | jnwhiteh | its written in chapter twenty something of the new book |
| 22:13.51 | jnwhiteh | and its an all text display =) |
| 22:13.51 | industrial | oh ok |
| 22:13.56 | Yssaril | industrial: agreed with your definition but how do you define your timeframe? |
| 22:13.58 | jnwhiteh | but handles pets and does healing too =) |
| 22:14.13 | industrial | Yssaril: from start to end of combat |
| 22:14.29 | Cloudwolf | if a unit gains a buff can you get the name of the buff when the unit gains it? |
| 22:15.41 | industrial | !api NIT_BUFF |
| 22:15.41 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'NIT_BUFF'. |
| 22:15.41 | industrial | !api UNIT_BUFF |
| 22:15.41 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'UNIT_BUFF'. |
| 22:15.42 | Yssaril | industrial: why not from fist to last attack? also what about your "current dps" not your overall |
| 22:15.42 | industrial | boo :p |
| 22:15.42 | jnwhiteh | industrial: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/642175/CombatStatus.zip |
| 22:15.42 | industrial | jnwhiteh: ty |
| 22:15.42 | jnwhiteh | make it into status bars, and it might work fo ryou |
| 22:15.42 | Cloudwolf | industrial you looking for |
| 22:15.43 | Cloudwolf | !api unit_aura |
| 22:15.43 | lua_bot | UNIT_AURA: <p>Fires when a unit loses or gains a buff or debuff.</p> (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UNIT_AURA) |
| 22:15.47 | Cloudwolf | i think |
| 22:15.59 | Cloudwolf | But it doens't seem to give me the info im looking for |
| 22:16.07 | Cloudwolf | i dont htink |
| 22:16.07 | mikma | industrial: too small, size does matter, after all |
| 22:16.09 | jnwhiteh | reoad> |
| 22:16.10 | jnwhiteh | reload> |
| 22:16.15 | jnwhiteh | !api UNIT_AURA |
| 22:16.16 | lua_bot | UNIT_AURA: Fires when a unit loses or gains a buff or debuff. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UNIT_AURA) |
| 22:16.49 | industrial | Yssaril: because not doing something is relevant. Usually you start combat by doing something, attacking. |
| 22:16.52 | mikma | diaf> |
| 22:16.54 | Cloudwolf | it says it takes a unit id but it doenst necisarily give anything |
| 22:17.10 | industrial | If you don't do damage for an amount of time then that counts aswell because you arent helping |
| 22:17.28 | industrial | and imho deserve the fair price for it, lower dps :P |
| 22:19.00 | Shirik | "Chasing ducks, chasing ducks, wearing an almond shoe. Oh what fun it is to ride until you step in poo." |
| 22:19.17 | Shirik | I think I need to stop watching this channel |
| 22:19.35 | zenzelezz | Shirik: why? We're not even being bad now |
| 22:19.44 | Shirik | the TV -_- |
| 22:20.02 | Iriel | Television rots your brain |
| 22:20.17 | Iriel | (Unless, y'know, something really good is on) |
| 22:20.43 | Cloudwolf | lol shirik keep watching |
| 22:20.48 | Cloudwolf | i like listning to those nonsensicle rymes |
| 22:20.51 | Cloudwolf | *rhymes |
| 22:22.44 | Cloudwolf | if you dont know the name or id of a buff on a player can you still use UnitAura to grab info about all the buffs ont he player? |
| 22:23.39 | Iriel | Cloudwolf: you just iterate over the aura indices |
| 22:23.51 | Iriel | Cloudwolf: and you'll get all the buffs/debuffs |
| 22:24.00 | Cloudwolf | how big of an iterate would that be? |
| 22:25.08 | mikma | industrial: NSFW NSFW http://www.zappinternet.com/flash/zi.swf?idvideo=FuFlZetKij NSFW NSFW :D too small, too big... |
| 22:25.27 | Iriel | IIRC it's 1 - BUFF_MAX_DISPLAY (or DEBUFF_MAX_DISPLAY for debuffs), you might also be able to just go until you it a nil, i'm not sure though |
| 22:25.32 | zenzelezz | mikma: you're not comparing sizes with industrial, are you? |
| 22:25.39 | zenzelezz | cause that's just wrong |
| 22:26.06 | mikma | zenzelezz: well check it yourself and find out |
| 22:26.26 | zenzelezz | sorry, I'm not into those kinds of competition |
| 22:26.52 | mikma | lies |
| 22:26.58 | mikma | it's All LIES!!!! |
| 22:27.05 | mikma | </austin powers> |
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| 22:30.33 | Lopeppeppy | LIES! |
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| 22:30.35 | industrial | mikma: mein bradwurst in dein saurkraut? |
| 22:30.45 | Shirik | Anyone have a suggestion on how to unit test something that produces a random result? |
| 22:30.53 | Shirik | Seed the RNG with a known value? |
| 22:31.08 | Shirik | problem is that wouldn't necessarily be platform-independent, would it? |
| 22:31.27 | WobWork | seed the rng and record the result? |
| 22:31.32 | WobWork | then test against that? |
| 22:31.53 | Shirik | problem is I want to test that a function never goes outside a certain boundary |
| 22:32.03 | WobWork | or make sure the function always returns 9 |
| 22:32.25 | WobWork | I don't think you can unit test something like that |
| 22:32.42 | WobWork | since a unit test determines and expects a specific result |
| 22:32.54 | Shirik | well if it wasn't random, you would test the boundary conditions |
| 22:33.05 | WobWork | You'll have to put the boundary checking in the code |
| 22:33.20 | zenzelezz | are the boundaries known at compile time? |
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| 22:34.11 | Shirik | yes, it's just +/- 25% or +/- .25 of an input parameter, whichever is larger |
| 22:35.11 | zenzelezz | perhaps a silly question, but couldn't those boundaries be handled directly in the random function? (Or perhaps they already are, and you just want to validate it) |
| 22:35.55 | WobWork | And I never really saw unit testing as catching the exception |
| 22:36.14 | WobWork | it was always "This is the input and this is the intended result. Pass/Fail?" |
| 22:36.35 | WobWork | not "This is the input... hey... if you run me one million times, do I go outside these results?" |
| 22:36.45 | zenzelezz | Shirik: do you have any ideas what sort of values would be "likely" to produce an incorrect result? |
| 22:36.59 | Shirik | those at the edges of the 25% boundary |
| 22:37.10 | Shirik | 25%/0.25 |
| 22:37.16 | Shirik | e.g., the value 1 |
| 22:37.39 | zenzelezz | could you make the test run a series of calls with such values, ie. test 10-50 different values and see if they all returned the correct result? |
| 22:37.42 | WobWork | Shirik: split the random function to the actual randomiser, and then that function passes it to the boundry checker |
| 22:37.46 | zenzelezz | randomness is difficult |
| 22:37.58 | WobWork | then do the unit test on the checker |
| 22:38.17 | zenzelezz | Shirik: or you could just prove that it is correct in the first place and not bother testing it: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Proven-Fix.aspx |
| 22:38.24 | WobWork | hehe |
| 22:38.31 | WobWork | I already suggested that! |
| 22:38.35 | WobWork | Just have it return NINE |
| 22:38.43 | Shirik | Page not found - Connection failure |
| 22:38.48 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 22:38.53 | zenzelezz | just loaded for me... oh well |
| 22:39.08 | WobWork | Is it sad that I recognise that article from the url? |
| 22:39.23 | zenzelezz | "Vijay left Robert's office and returned with a notebook. He explained that, basically, the idea is that you create a mathematical proof via a formal method that describes a system. What he had done was created a proof of how the system functioned, and then he recalculated after writing the actual fix. While patting his notebook, he smiled and concluded, "therefore, this is my proof that the code will work in writing!"" |
| 22:39.26 | zenzelezz | WobWork: nope |
| 22:40.17 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: honestly, that sounds like something that Shirik would do |
| 22:40.23 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 22:40.28 | WobWork | Well, there's nothing wrong with that.. |
| 22:40.36 | WobWork | You just have to then make the code work |
| 22:40.57 | WobWork | it's the difference between proving the equation |
| 22:40.59 | WobWork | and applying it |
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| 22:46.47 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, fu |
| 22:49.38 | WobWork | http://www.australiancoastalwatch.com.au/ |
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| 23:00.21 | mikma | shirik: http://www.geekologie.com/2009/12/lolwut_a_special_power_glove_r.php |
| 23:00.41 | cbreak | yay, I won a Nibelung :) |
| 23:01.09 | Shirik | wtf mikma |
| 23:02.14 | mikma | shirik: i bet its a friend of cairenn or something |
| 23:02.41 | Cairenn | O.o |
| 23:02.44 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 23:02.45 | Cairenn | O.O |
| 23:04.17 | Kraps | mikma: wtf is wrong with you? this isnt the way to deal with childhood trauma! |
| 23:04.51 | mikma | kraps: dunno, i love seeing weird stuff. sorry that i'm so great. |
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| 23:06.30 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Rofl |
| 23:06.37 | Shirik | (finally got that page to load) |
| 23:07.45 | Shirik | This is why we have very thorough review and test processes, and don't allow just one person to say it's right :) |
| 23:08.13 | Shirik | A 1-character change requires 2 signoffs and vetting by QA |
| 23:08.19 | Shirik | (at least) |
| 23:15.38 | Arrowmaster | haha im doing these challenges on arkham asylum and on this challenge level one objective was to knockout 3 henchmen with 3 different walls using explosive gel |
| 23:16.03 | Arrowmaster | i knocked out 5 of the 6 with 3 exposions leaving me one henchman short to complete the both of the other objectives |
| 23:20.50 | batrick | shirik, hi |
| 23:20.57 | Shirik | batrick: fix my computer |
| 23:21.02 | Shirik | gd Qt is dying |
| 23:21.04 | batrick | kk |
| 23:21.32 | batrick | whatd you do to it |
| 23:22.54 | Shirik | I did #include <QString> |
| 23:23.01 | Shirik | and then it was all like "lolnogtfo" |
| 23:23.51 | batrick | i think your problem is you r bad =D |
| 23:24.05 | Shirik | no |
| 23:24.13 | batrick | no u |
| 23:24.18 | Shirik | problem is Qt is all like "yeah it's ok to assume directory structures!" |
| 23:25.10 | batrick | o ya |
| 23:28.28 | batrick | zzz boredom |
| 23:46.33 | Shirik | Any C++ guys around? Anyone want to tell me why it thinks my class is abstract? http://codepad.org/m4vBUOjr |
| 23:46.40 | Shirik | I don't see any abstract functions... |
| 23:52.32 | cbreak | virtual functions |
| 23:52.43 | cbreak | have to be declared or your class can't be instanciated |
| 23:53.14 | cbreak | virtual float Compute() const = 0; means "I am not going to declare Compute(), subclasses will have to, but I am ABSTRACT!" |
| 23:54.48 | Shirik | you aren't answering my question cbreak |
| 23:55.01 | cbreak | or which class do you mean is not abstract? |
| 23:55.03 | Shirik | oh shit I fail |
| 23:55.09 | Shirik | yeah I'm instantiating the wrong type |
| 23:55.11 | Shirik | nm |
| 23:55.16 | Shirik | it's supposed to be new ConstantTreeNode |
| 23:57.39 | Shirik | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/epic-fail-sex-ed-fail.jpg |
| 23:58.48 | cbreak | she should read the man page on it |
