| 00:00.04 | Jerub | apparently there's a tank bot that's been in use. |
| 00:00.30 | WobWork | a... what? |
| 00:00.35 | Jerub | I think i had one yesterday. |
| 00:00.39 | WobWork | how does that work? |
| 00:01.04 | WobWork | does it just.. chainpull or something? =P |
| 00:01.08 | Jerub | WobWork: yes. |
| 00:01.28 | Jerub | without waiting for healer mana, and even responded to "do you want me to tank instead" by saying, "no i got this" |
| 00:01.58 | Jerub | seriously, either worst tank ever, or a bot, was what i had yesterday, didn't occur to me it was a bot until i saw this: |
| 00:02.04 | Jerub | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21726256605&sid=1 |
| 00:02.09 | WobWork | that's... kinda awesome |
| 00:02.24 | Jerub | it responded to 'mana' calls from the healer by pulling. |
| 00:03.17 | Jerub | okay, so, sunder armor. |
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| 00:03.43 | WobWork | I would so abuse that |
| 00:03.48 | WobWork | stay out of range |
| 00:03.51 | WobWork | and watch him kill himself |
| 00:03.55 | WobWork | over and over and over again |
| 00:04.12 | WobWork | It would so be worth the cost of the ticket =P |
| 00:07.23 | Jerub | WobWork: yeah, :) |
| 00:07.51 | WobWork | that last poster... |
| 00:07.53 | WobWork | jeez |
| 00:07.56 | Jerub | I think it was a shammy i had in SM:GY yesterday that went off an agrored all the ghosts, brought them back to my warrior like a puppy and expected me to hold agro while he AOE'd. |
| 00:08.02 | WobWork | Sure, I'd do what she does in a guild pug |
| 00:08.25 | WobWork | but in a complete random pug? I inspect -everyone- |
| 00:08.28 | Jerub | after i'd asked him to stop doing that because it's hard for me to get rage if he has the agro to start with, and he continued doing it, i let him tank. |
| 00:08.31 | Jerub | :D |
| 00:08.31 | WobWork | and find out what roles everyone plays |
| 00:08.58 | Jerub | WobWork: yeah, and wtf of course you know the role of the druid. "OH GOD BEAR HEALER". |
| 00:09.01 | WobWork | Cause I -know- I've spent half an instance healing a dps that lined up as the 'tank' |
| 00:09.10 | WobWork | he had the icon and everything |
| 00:09.14 | Jerub | then again at level 80 everyone is so ridiclously overgeared now. |
| 00:09.23 | WobWork | it was only after I twigged that he and another DK were from the same guild |
| 00:09.35 | WobWork | that I realised who was actually tanking |
| 00:10.46 | Jerub | i tanked gundrak, got the achievement for interrupts (with 0 coordination from anyone), beat the last boss in 32 seconds (he didn't have time to go rhino on us), and then i realised i'd tanked it in my healer gear. |
| 00:11.15 | Jerub | *and* i got 1.1kdps as tank. wearing no str, agi or ap gear. |
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| 00:11.57 | Jerub | it just goes to show, all you have to do is hold threat and not die. :P |
| 00:12.24 | Jerub | considers starting a WoW blog just so he can rant elsewhere than irc and to friends. |
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| 00:12.59 | WobWork | I'd read it =) |
| 00:13.14 | Jerub | now i just need a name. |
| 00:13.31 | WobWork | FuzzyWuzzyWasABearTank |
| 00:14.06 | Jerub | but now there's LFD i'm everything now. playing mage/warrior/bear/tree at various levels. |
| 00:14.19 | WobWork | LookingForDistraction |
| 00:14.19 | Lopeppeppy | FuzzyWuzzy had no friends to tank for. |
| 00:14.21 | Jerub | (oh god how many times ii've run underbog) |
| 00:14.27 | Lopeppeppy | FuzzyWuzzy wasn't very happy, was he? |
| 00:14.37 | Jerub | Lopeppeppy: you have children don't you? |
| 00:14.44 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 00:14.49 | Lopeppeppy | Um, no. |
| 00:15.00 | WobWork | I named my Bear Shaman in AoC FuziWuzi |
| 00:15.23 | WobWork | Lopeppeppy is just a child at heart =) |
| 00:15.44 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 00:15.44 | A-KO | sigh |
| 00:15.44 | A-KO | this is frustrating |
| 00:15.46 | A-KO | my wow is bombing out |
| 00:15.53 | A-KO | and it's not erroring, it's not crashing, it's just closing |
| 00:16.02 | A-KO | no crash log, no error log, no event log issues, nada. |
| 00:16.08 | A-KO | but it seems to be pretty random |
| 00:16.27 | Lopeppeppy | Mine does that too, A-KO. I've mostly given up on my desktop for that reason. |
| 00:17.05 | A-KO | I"m thinking it could be a driver issue, but it's hard to say |
| 00:17.35 | A-KO | weird |
| 00:17.39 | A-KO | Auctioneer has caused it to happen now |
| 00:17.40 | A-KO | 2 times |
| 00:17.46 | A-KO | wonder if there's a way to turn on some debug options |
| 00:18.03 | Lopeppeppy | How do you k now it's auctioneer, if you have no reports? |
| 00:18.35 | A-KO | Lopeppeppy: well, I'm not saying it's auctioneer doing it, but I've opened the AH twice now and did a search, and during auctioneer processing it's freezing and then wow closes..... |
| 00:18.59 | Jerub | hm, I like looking for distraction. |
| 00:19.07 | Jerub | or looking for brandi, which is the name of my bear. |
| 00:19.10 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, good circumstantial evidence, but uninstall auctioneer and try the AH again, just to see. |
| 00:19.34 | Lopeppeppy | Could be the AH itself eating your computer from the inside, rotting it slowly like a bad bacteria! |
| 00:19.52 | Jerub | finding correlation is all about circumstantial evidence |
| 00:20.12 | Lopeppeppy | Sadly, correlation does not guarantee causality. |
| 00:21.35 | A-KO | well so far no crash :P |
| 00:21.37 | A-KO | we'll see |
| 00:21.42 | WobWork | Jerub: HotTotty |
| 00:22.50 | Jerub | okay, next thing to work out, where do i put my blog? |
| 00:23.02 | Jerub | i've used blogger, but meh. |
| 00:28.38 | Jerub | heh, less-rabi is considered 'crazy hard' by random people on forums. i got it last night without any coordination, just high dps. |
| 00:29.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I got it back when Wrath was first released :/ |
| 00:29.39 | ScytheBlade1 | They all fail |
| 00:30.31 | WobWork | yes |
| 00:30.34 | WobWork | you need good dps |
| 00:30.39 | WobWork | that's pretty much it. |
| 00:30.52 | A-KO | leveling fishing is a pain in the ass |
| 00:30.53 | WobWork | If you can kill him within two attempts of the transformation, you're good |
| 00:30.58 | A-KO | errr cooking |
| 00:31.00 | A-KO | leveling cooking |
| 00:31.07 | WobWork | fail =P |
| 00:31.18 | WobWork | You should have taken advantage of Pilgrim week |
| 00:31.31 | WobWork | free levels! |
| 00:32.37 | A-KO | I had 0 level though |
| 00:32.38 | A-KO | lol |
| 00:34.08 | Thunder_Child | doesnt matter 0-300 ver yfast |
| 00:34.18 | ScytheBlade1 | or competent interrupts |
| 00:34.21 | A-KO | not when the mats aren't on the AH :( |
| 00:34.52 | Thunder_Child | you bought allmost all the mats from the holiday people |
| 00:35.02 | A-KO | eh, too late now :P |
| 00:35.12 | Thunder_Child | and you just had to farm the chickes...which was easy |
| 00:36.45 | WobWork | sotrue |
| 00:37.05 | WobWork | I had about 100 turkeies from getting the damn turkinator achievement |
| 00:37.09 | WobWork | per toon |
| 00:37.11 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMD3agP5hv0 |
| 00:37.14 | A-KO | blizz may as well remove the dalaran flight restriction at this point |
| 00:37.17 | A-KO | there's no real need for it |
| 00:37.21 | A-KO | Dal's a huge performance nightmare as it is |
| 00:37.31 | WobWork | A-KO: aside from stupid flapping mounts EVERYWHERE? |
| 00:37.35 | A-KO | lol |
| 00:37.47 | A-KO | well I hate having to go all the way to the flight spot to fly to icc |
| 00:38.02 | WobWork | Take the sewer exit =P |
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| 00:45.19 | Jerub | we nailed him in 3 or 4 i think. |
| 00:45.36 | Jerub | i took second interrupt, thinking that someone would always hit the first, and i was right. |
| 00:45.38 | Lopeppeppy | Oh great cat owners of the world! How do I keep my monster from itching her wound area! Rawr! |
| 00:45.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got some awesome muscle relaxants. |
| 00:46.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Would probably put your cat to sleep for a week straight. |
| 00:46.11 | ScytheBlade1 | (And well, after that, quite a bit longer) |
| 00:47.28 | Jerub | plays the google suggest game |
| 00:47.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I admittedly did not think about the long term effects of making a cat sleep for a week |
| 00:49.21 | A-KO | Lopeppeppy: get her one of those cones |
| 00:50.49 | WobWork | that doesn't stop them from scratching, just licking/gnawing, right? |
| 00:51.32 | Shadowed | yea |
| 00:51.55 | theorbtwo | Give her little tiny steel-toed boots. |
| 00:53.43 | WobWork | She'd probably get so irritated, she'd wake you up in the middle of the night with about twenty boots to the kidneys =P |
| 00:57.57 | Jerub | I <3 how many private questions are asked of google that come up in google suggest. |
| 00:58.00 | Dagmar | She'll bring you "presents" and leave them on your pillow. |
| 00:58.31 | Dagmar | Everyone loves a half-eaten squirrel or mouse to snack on when they first wake up in the morning. |
| 00:58.43 | Jerub | I was at a friends place last year, and one night i played with the cat for a while, and she clearly really liked it. |
| 00:58.58 | Jerub | because she disappeared for 20 minutes and brought me back a mouse |
| 00:59.08 | cbreak | grats |
| 00:59.08 | Dagmar | Yep. :) |
| 00:59.55 | Dagmar | I hadda explain to my gf that cats _share_ |
| 01:00.33 | Dagmar | They just don't realize that while they thought the little squirrel they caught was quite tasty, you have a more refined palate. |
| 01:03.10 | Jerub | they only share if they like you. |
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| 01:10.10 | Dagmar | All cats like me |
| 01:10.51 | Dagmar | No one really does |
| 01:10.54 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 01:14.51 | WobWork | ... |
| 01:14.53 | WobWork | :O |
| 01:14.55 | WobWork | http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118012601.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&nid=2595&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+variety/people/players+%28Variety+-+Players%29 |
| 01:15.30 | Shirik | Tuller: ping |
| 01:15.30 | WobWork | I would totally watch that |
| 01:15.36 | WobWork | and it's 'technically' a chick flick =P |
| 01:15.37 | Tuller | Shirik: ? |
| 01:15.54 | WobWork | that movie will do wonders in bringing male focused and female focused movies into one being =P |
| 01:15.58 | Shirik | Hey does Dominos when you judge something |
| 01:16.07 | Shirik | it puts the debuff duration of the target instead of the cooldown |
| 01:16.15 | Shirik | is there a way to stop it from doing that? |
| 01:16.34 | Shirik | (sorry if I explained that poorly, it's coming from someone else) |
| 01:17.27 | Tuller | dominos does not have anything to do with that, I think he's talking about inline aura? |
| 01:17.54 | Legorol | my raid leaders suck :( |
| 01:18.07 | Shirik | ok I'll let him know Tuller :) |
| 01:18.28 | Legorol | We were trying Deathwhisper with wrong strat all night. Barely got her to P2 once. For the last try of the night we did something completely different. First attempt, 20% in P2. |
| 01:18.45 | Legorol | The sad part is that I said right from the start on a number of occasions that our strat is wrong, and pointed out why |
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| 01:21.22 | Hjalte | Legorol: Good thing I'm the raid leader of our guild, I hate it when they don't listen to things from members. |
| 01:24.03 | cbreak | I am raid leader as well |
| 01:24.14 | cbreak | unfortunately, no one had a good idea to make us kill the first boss :( |
| 01:25.19 | Hjalte | First boss? Kill the impales, have two (three on 25) tanks stand on top of each other and get away at whirlwind? |
| 01:25.38 | cbreak | yeah. The problem was tank survival. |
| 01:25.53 | cbreak | I hope we'll get more than six healers + 2 alts next time. |
| 01:26.02 | cbreak | and I am not sure if our positioning was good |
| 01:26.11 | cbreak | we tried standing all under the boss (inside his hit box) |
| 01:26.25 | cbreak | and before that, spreading a bit in a semi circle on his side |
| 01:26.42 | Hjalte | We just had everyone spread out. Killing the impales is not a big problem. |
| 01:27.04 | cbreak | we lost lots of tanks when half our healers got boned |
| 01:27.38 | cbreak | It's probably just training |
| 01:27.43 | cbreak | I don't think our strategy was that wrong |
| 01:27.44 | Hjalte | I've seen healers get low, but they just need to move, really. |
| 01:27.57 | Hjalte | It can't be very wrong on such an easy boss :) |
| 01:28.06 | cbreak | boned people can't move, they have to hope to get freed |
| 01:28.35 | cbreak | which seems to be a tiny bit of a problem with the dps players who like meters... and hate switching targets :( |
| 01:28.50 | Hjalte | Ah. I see. It's just that our boned people always get out in 5-6 seconds, so it's never a problem. |
| 01:28.57 | cbreak | (that's why we tried grouping under him, that way melee dps can just cleave them down too) |
| 01:29.49 | cbreak | usually it takes us 5 to 10 seconds until the three bones are dead |
| 01:30.10 | cbreak | but sometimes one gets forgotten because he stood a bit on the side. or we just wipe because the main tank healers got boned at the same time... |
| 01:30.12 | cbreak | ah well. |
| 01:30.20 | cbreak | at least we got into the instance today :) |
| 01:30.27 | cbreak | (first time!) |
| 01:30.32 | Hjalte | We had 5 healers on our kill because of a lack of members |
| 01:30.52 | cbreak | on wednesday we had to cancel the raid because we couldn't enter any instance after ToTC |
| 01:31.02 | cbreak | patch days suck. |
| 01:31.10 | cbreak | 5 healers only? Whoa |
| 01:31.37 | Hjalte | They're all pretty good, but we didn't have any resto druids or holy priests that day :) |
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| 01:32.57 | Elusive | Anyone have a stream to the giants game? |
| 01:33.26 | cbreak | giants game? |
| 01:33.32 | cbreak | "Shadow of the Colossus"? |
| 01:33.53 | Elusive | no, like, the NFL |
| 01:35.01 | cbreak | I don't know that |
| 01:39.38 | Jerub | so where should i get my wow blog hosted? |
| 01:40.14 | Seerah | Jerub: I use blogspot |
| 01:40.23 | Seerah | (blogger) |
| 01:41.51 | cbreak | can't you get a random web space provider |
| 01:42.01 | cbreak | and just put your software there? |
| 01:42.08 | cbreak | I use TextPattern, like it quite a bit |
| 01:42.13 | cbreak | it's very customizable :) |
| 01:44.46 | cbreak | http://the-color-black.net/ should anyone care enough to check it out |
| 01:51.25 | tem | woah |
| 01:51.49 | tem | an ex girlfriend I haven't seen in years just tried to "friend" me on twitter |
| 01:51.54 | tem | she's aparently married |
| 01:52.02 | tem | because she's got a new last name |
| 01:52.09 | Thunder_Child | did you part on resonable terms? |
| 01:52.22 | tem | aye |
| 01:52.22 | cbreak | friend her and dump her for a hamburger? |
| 01:52.45 | Thunder_Child | then it seems like a resonable request |
| 01:52.49 | tem | certainly |
| 01:52.54 | tem | only I have exactly 0 tweets |
| 01:53.01 | tem | it's just weird |
| 01:53.04 | tem | that she found me on twitter |
| 01:53.17 | tem | I suppose my username isn't that hard to guess if you know me |
| 01:57.55 | Jerub | okay, trying out posturious. now need to actually chose a domainname. |
| 01:58.10 | Jerub | I was thinking lookingfordistraction which someone suggested earlier. |
| 01:58.19 | Tenchworks | lol |
| 01:58.46 | cbreak | never heard of that |
| 01:58.55 | Jerub | neither had I! |
| 01:58.57 | cbreak | picking domain names is a pain |
| 01:59.06 | Jerub | yeah, i'm using a subdomain |
| 01:59.10 | cbreak | I searched for hours until I found one that was free :) |
| 01:59.45 | Jerub | i like some of the druid themed names. |
| 01:59.45 | cbreak | finding a country domain might have been easier |
| 01:59.59 | Jerub | actually lookingfordistraction.com isn't taken. |
| 01:59.59 | cbreak | happy-tree-friends? |
| 02:00.08 | Jerub | but i'm cheap so i'm going with a subdomain. |
| 02:01.17 | Jerub | other druid blogs: unbearably.net resto4life thinktank the fluid druid, big red kitty, tree bark jacket |
| 02:01.33 | cbreak | dangerously-mutated |
| 02:01.44 | cbreak | man-bear-owl-tree |
| 02:02.09 | cbreak | formally-challenged |
| 02:02.21 | cbreak | is bad at finding good names but good at finding bad names |
| 02:03.11 | Jerub | heh, my main is a drood, but i'm really hoping to get some more 80s soon. |
| 02:03.20 | Jerub | i've got up and coming 65, 60 and 30. |
| 02:03.36 | Jerub | (and who cares about 80s anymore, instances at low levels rock now) |
| 02:03.40 | Jerub | ;) |
| 02:04.28 | cbreak | so you like playing with underaged avatars?... |
| 02:04.57 | Jerub | oooh, "leaf on the wind" |
| 02:06.14 | cbreak | it's hard to find new topics to write about on a blog |
| 02:06.32 | Jerub | cbreak: i'm just planning to rant about the people I group with. |
| 02:07.10 | ajmitch | like the usual death knights in spellpower gear? |
| 02:07.12 | Jerub | oh, and the other one is, perky pug. |
| 02:07.23 | Jerub | I could just use that as the name. |
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| 02:07.54 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/12/12/newlywed-sex-tweets/ |
| 02:07.56 | DWSR | Do you only get 5 attempts on Saurfang? |
| 02:08.11 | DWSR | Or is that 5 attempt nonsense only the final wing? |
| 02:08.19 | Hjalte | DWSR: No, that doesn't start untill next week. |
| 02:08.46 | cbreak | 5 attempts? and what after that? |
| 02:09.06 | Thunder_Child | they upped it already |
| 02:09.08 | Hjalte | Eh, next extension, not week. |
| 02:09.12 | Thunder_Child | now it's 10/15/20/25 |
| 02:09.19 | Thunder_Child | err.. |
| 02:09.31 | Thunder_Child | 10/15/something/something/ |
| 02:10.16 | DWSR | lol |
| 02:14.38 | Thunder_Child | well i know it levels out at some pont |
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| 02:22.02 | tekkub | Anyone deciphered teh embedded txtures in fontstrings with texture coords? |
| 02:22.06 | tekkub | I wanna use it |
| 02:25.07 | WobWork | can you? |
| 02:25.43 | WobWork | hm |
| 02:25.50 | WobWork | should I spend $950 on a TV? |
| 02:26.12 | tekkub | yes, you can |
| 02:26.15 | tekkub | local embeddedTankIcon = "|TInterface\\LFGFrame\\UI-LFG-ICON-PORTRAITROLES.blp:20:20:0:5:64:64:0:19:22:41|t"; |
| 02:26.15 | tekkub | local embeddedHealerIcon = "|TInterface\\LFGFrame\\UI-LFG-ICON-PORTRAITROLES.blp:20:20:0:5:64:64:20:39:1:20|t"; |
| 02:26.17 | WobWork | http://www.catchoftheday.com.au/ |
| 02:26.18 | tekkub | local embeddedDamageIcon = "|TInterface\\LFGFrame\\UI-LFG-ICON-PORTRAITROLES.blp:20:20:0:5:64:64:20:39:22:41|t"; |
| 02:26.21 | Jerub | WobWork: no. |
| 02:26.29 | Jerub | WobWork: watch all of your tv on your computer and save money |
| 02:26.30 | Corrodias | no, spend $400 on a new monitor |
| 02:27.01 | tekkub | mainly, what are 20:20:0:5 |
| 02:27.11 | tekkub | 64:64 are the dims of the image |
| 02:27.32 | tekkub | and 20:39:22:41 are the coords within 64:64 |
| 02:28.26 | A-KO | ok |
| 02:28.29 | A-KO | gunship battle is pretty cool |
| 02:30.36 | DWSR | yeah |
| 02:30.41 | DWSR | it's also super easy |
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| 02:31.09 | Jerub | anything would have to be easy after fight #1 |
| 02:31.25 | Jerub | I pugged it last night and we were happy if we managed to do two p2->p1 transitions without a wipe |
| 02:32.14 | Balreign | tekkub, could be the coord with the parent? |
| 02:33.38 | tekkub | I think it's sizex:sizey:offsetx:offsety:dimx:dimy:coordx1:coordx2:coordy1:coordy2 |
| 02:33.48 | Polarina | Is it possible to see how many bank bag slots the player has purchased without hacking through the achievement system? |
| 02:34.04 | tekkub | yea go to the bank |
| 02:34.12 | Polarina | Without that. |
| 02:34.20 | tekkub | why do you care fi you're not at the bank? |
| 02:34.39 | Polarina | My addon in development. :P |
| 02:34.50 | tekkub | that's not what I asked |
| 02:34.51 | Ginji | You're doing it wrong |
| 02:34.58 | tekkub | obviously you're working on an addon :P |
| 02:35.14 | Polarina | :P |
| 02:39.38 | Shadowed | oh |
| 02:39.58 | Shadowed | Could have told you that sooner tekkub! Had to figure the stupid things out last night :< |
| 02:41.54 | Shadowed | yay for texcoords in embedded textures |
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| 02:44.03 | WobWork | Jerub: I have limited monitor space on my desk |
| 02:44.41 | WobWork | and I've had issues getting all the channels on my computer with a tv tuner card |
| 02:45.05 | tekkub | and saved to the wiki |
| 02:46.03 | Jerub | WobWork: spend 950 on a desk |
| 02:46.19 | WobWork | I have limited room in my studio apartment =P |
| 02:46.31 | Dagmar | For that money it better come with a girl under it |
| 02:47.00 | Thunder_Child | i dont think people underneath desks is a big selling point |
| 02:47.04 | Thunder_Child | prolly because they are dead by that point |
| 02:47.16 | Tenchworks | get a arm/mount for the monitor and go multi-monitor and get a bigger one |
| 02:47.16 | Dagmar | Hey it makes running all the cables a large amount easier. |
| 02:47.49 | Tenchworks | er |
| 02:47.58 | Dagmar | heh |
| 02:48.05 | Tenchworks | ignor the second "and" and replace with an or |
| 02:48.19 | Tenchworks | well I mean and/or get a bigger |
| 02:48.22 | Thunder_Child | or http://www.ergoindemand.com/computer_monitor_stand_quad.htm |
| 02:48.56 | WobWork | that's $470 for just the smallest stand |
| 02:49.17 | Tenchworks | oooohhhh taht 5 monitor one looks nice |
| 02:49.19 | WobWork | also, to be worthwhile at that size, I'd need to be further back |
| 02:49.23 | Thunder_Child | better procing here http://www.ergotron.com/tabid/159/language/en-US/default.aspx |
| 02:49.28 | Thunder_Child | pricing* |
| 02:49.46 | Thunder_Child | the other page was for larger stands |
| 02:51.40 | Amarande | tekkub: dear lord, I"ve played too much WoW |
| 02:51.43 | Amarande | I read "saved to the wiki" |
| 02:51.48 | Amarande | and I'm for a moment like "what raid is that?" |
| 02:52.33 | alestane | lua> 34/28 - 28/24 |
| 02:52.34 | lua_bot | alestane: 0.047619047619047 |
| 02:52.35 | tekkub | .... |
| 02:52.43 | tekkub | (note I typed those dots very slowly) |
| 02:53.00 | Dagmar | You wouldn't want to take threat from the editor |
| 02:54.27 | Tenchworks | Question, in the commits channel, what sight does the repo bot post for? |
| 02:54.58 | Amarande | gah. and I proceed to try to log in with my pre-Battle.net username and password, AGAIN |
| 02:55.14 | Dagmar | Amarande: I think everyone does that quite a bit at first |
| 02:55.39 | Thunder_Child | not i |
| 02:55.46 | Dagmar | If it were modifiable (or I could find it) I'd change the dialog box that appears to just read "Moron." |
| 02:55.47 | Thunder_Child | easy when the name is saved |
| 02:56.16 | Amarande | you know what's weird |
| 02:56.23 | Amarande | before they made Battle.net a requirement |
| 02:56.32 | Amarande | it would actually say "this account has been merged to a battle.net account" |
| 02:56.36 | Amarande | but now it gives the old "you have to merge it" dialog |
| 02:56.52 | Dagmar | This is why I'd change the dialog. |
| 02:57.11 | Dagmar | No '@' == You are not paying attention |
| 02:58.44 | airtonix | Tenchworks, commits channel ? |
| 03:01.28 | Jerub | lastlog -clear |
| 03:04.38 | alestane | lua> 42/30 - 34/28 |
| 03:04.39 | lua_bot | alestane: 0.18571428571429 |
| 03:06.02 | Amarande | wow, the price went down by half on merlin's robe pattern like now it's crap or something |
| 03:06.35 | Shirik | ok guys |
| 03:06.42 | Shirik | advice on an addon which will tell me who has a given raid icon |
| 03:06.47 | Shirik | quick gogo |
| 03:07.06 | Jerub | 'raid icon' |
| 03:07.06 | Dagmar | Pitbull |
| 03:08.09 | Dagmar | By the way, two people with magic marker running now is like watching christmas lights |
| 03:08.55 | Shirik | nobody wins |
| 03:08.58 | Shirik | pitbull is not a solution |
| 03:09.20 | Dagmar | I don't suspect you'll have much luck trying to programmatically find the raid marker |
| 03:09.29 | Shirik | it's quite simple |
| 03:09.37 | Shirik | I have done far more complex thingsin other addons |
| 03:09.46 | Dagmar | Yeah but *doing* something about it is likely to cross the line into bot-land in some way |
| 03:09.47 | Shirik | What I REALLY want is for it to be on grid |
| 03:09.56 | Shirik | but willing to give that up |
| 03:10.06 | Dagmar | So... Make PitBull create a grid-like setup |
| 03:10.34 | AbsolutRayne | Cairenn: Remind me what forum to watch again? :P |
| 03:10.40 | Cairenn | front page |
| 03:11.08 | AbsolutRayne | So just http://www.wowinterface.com/community.php cause I have nothing better to do? :P |
| 03:11.19 | Dagmar | Shirik: You can't just hack that into Grid? |
| 03:11.23 | AbsolutRayne | I really hate my guild sometimes >_< |
| 03:12.13 | Shirik | not during a raid, Dagmar |
| 03:12.59 | Dagmar | Oh. I suggest Colorforms then |
| 03:13.07 | Dagmar | If you have some around, that is. |
| 03:13.11 | Dagmar | They'll stick to the screen just fine |
| 03:14.51 | Stanzilla | Shirik: http://www.wowace.com/addons/grid-status-raid-icons/ ? |
| 03:14.56 | Shirik | yeah, doesn't work |
| 03:15.39 | Stanzilla | for you or in general? |
| 03:15.55 | DWSR | Shirik: Doesn't grid have an option to show the RTI of a person"? |
| 03:16.45 | Jerub | http://leaf.posterous.com/ |
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| 03:18.33 | Shirik | DWSR: doesn't seem so |
| 03:18.43 | DWSR | huh |
| 03:19.29 | Amarande | wow, colorforms |
| 03:19.37 | Amarande | I'm surprised those haven't gotten posted to once upon a win that I know of LOL |
| 03:20.07 | Shirik | what is this colorforms? |
| 03:20.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Kivnel (n=lenvik@23.213.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 03:21.16 | Dagmar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorforms |
| 03:21.20 | Amarande | Shirik: these vinyl static clingforms that used to be sold as kids' toys with scenes to stick them to |
| 03:21.27 | Shirik | not an addon |
| 03:21.29 | Shirik | wtb addon |
| 03:22.01 | Amarande | Shirik: I take it a pad of post it notes isn't a solution either? :) |
| 03:22.08 | Dagmar | I do know someone who used them to mark MT/OT before we got frames for that |
| 03:22.18 | Shirik | Amarande:changes mid fight |
| 03:22.31 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean before they started giving us raid encounters where you needed multiple OTs anyway? :) |
| 03:23.12 | Dagmar | No. |
| 03:23.53 | ZorbaTHut | y'know what would be an interesting bit of data - /played that broke the info down by zone |
| 03:24.08 | Dagmar | Blizz probably has it |
| 03:24.25 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, absolutely |
| 03:24.27 | Dagmar | ...although also probably only collectively |
| 03:24.43 | ZorbaTHut | eh. wouldn't be too hard to store per-player. I would. |
| 03:25.02 | Dagmar | That's definitely something that could be cooked up into an addon |
| 03:25.34 | Amarande | So, have they determined yet whether Black Magic is now better than +63SP for raiding? |
| 03:26.30 | ZorbaTHut | true, but no retroactive data |
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| 03:29.12 | AbsolutRayne | Worst ISP ever. |
| 03:29.30 | *** join/#wowuidev kdtresh (n=kdtresh@64.149.82.9) |
| 03:31.00 | AbsolutRayne | Oh well, back to refreshing the front page |
| 03:31.51 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: do you have a screenshot of /qh radar working? |
| 03:33.44 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, I've been meaning to go take a nice series of screenshots ("where is it? where is it? oh it's behind the tree, stupid bear") but I haven't yet |
| 03:33.56 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: might fiddle with that tonight. |
| 03:34.31 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: also, I turned QH radar on in Shatt, I found that to slow my DPS to a crawl... don't know why |
| 03:34.47 | ZorbaTHut | slowed down your DPS in shatt? :D |
| 03:34.55 | ZorbaTHut | there's some problems with targeting characters that it can't get good range for |
| 03:34.56 | Dagmar | THat *might* have been the sanctuary flag. |
| 03:35.10 | DWSR | lol |
| 03:35.15 | DWSR | Nah |
| 03:35.16 | Jerub | FPS |
| 03:35.19 | DWSR | I have leet skeet hax. |
| 03:35.23 | ZorbaTHut | the "rendering code" gets very slow when it has a lot of "pixels" to render. I've been trying to figure out a way to speed things up or make it shut up and stop rendering when it's getting excessive |
| 03:35.36 | ZorbaTHut | maybe even a special case where it just renders literal circles |
| 03:35.53 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: imo, it should stop rendering in all major cities. |
| 03:35.56 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: I would feel more comfortable if it only rendered pixels if it's got a reasonable targeting solution |
| 03:36.03 | Jerub | blogs that exchange. |
| 03:36.11 | ZorbaTHut | friendlies or sanctuary zones tend to exacerbate this, since it gets a lot of its range data from offensive spells and abilities |
| 03:36.32 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: imo, all major cities and sanctuaries, disable. |
| 03:36.36 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, I want it to render the "circles" when it doesn't, just to give you something to base it on |
| 03:36.53 | ZorbaTHut | also, I've used it in cities - I actually just used it yesterday to track down a friend in the Argent Tournament |
| 03:37.12 | ZorbaTHut | plus it can be really useful for finding quest NPCs and other rare critters (say, Timmy in Stormwind) |
| 03:37.35 | ZorbaTHut | it's definitely not getting disabled in cities and sancturies, but I do want a better solution to "this person could be fucking anyway, holy shit, I have no clue at all" |
| 03:37.42 | ZorbaTHut | *anywhere |
| 03:38.01 | Dagmar | That's making value judgements about players right there. |
| 03:39.42 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, which, that they don't care, or that they do? |
| 03:41.45 | AbsolutRayne | I think I broke my F5 key |
| 03:41.59 | AbsolutRayne | Its kinda like...hard to use now |
| 03:42.23 | Amarande | um |
| 03:42.28 | Amarande | what's the 'Evil Twin' debuff do, exactly? |
| 03:42.37 | WobWork | not much |
| 03:42.42 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, makes you awesome. |
| 03:42.53 | ZorbaTHut | IMHO it should put a goatee on your character, but it only makes you transparent red and slightly larger. |
| 03:43.05 | WobWork | Jerub: "See how I soa....*SKLUTCH!*"? |
| 03:43.21 | AbsolutRayne | oh nm, just a crumb or something wedged under it |
| 03:44.09 | AbsolutRayne | Damn gingerbread houses, mucking up my keybord |
| 03:44.11 | AbsolutRayne | +a |
| 03:45.18 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, btw, if you did make a nice screenshot series, I'd be quite happy :) |
| 03:46.49 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: actually, i ahve a mac. |
| 03:46.55 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: so i could probably just record a video instead :P |
| 03:47.15 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, but I can't post a video as a screenshot on curse.com ;) although that would be neat too, and I could always crop screenshots from the video |
| 03:47.32 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: you could link to a youtube or vimeo |
| 03:47.38 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: the recordings that the mac version of wow makes are stunning quality. |
| 03:48.14 | Shirik | ok |
| 03:48.26 | Shirik | I think I might very well be the only healer that heals using 3 raid frames at the same time |
| 03:48.33 | Shirik | vuhdo, grid, and blizzard's |
| 03:48.46 | Jerub | Shirik: i use bliz+oUF_freebgrid |
| 03:48.53 | batrick | few things infuriate me more than when a browser loses all the input into data fields I just put in by an accidental refresh or Back |
| 03:49.13 | batrick | Why hasn't this been fixed yet :( |
| 03:49.23 | Shirik | or when the page times out |
| 03:49.28 | Shirik | and you have to hit back and it forgets everything |
| 03:49.31 | batrick | Shirik you have my permission to patch Chrome so that no longer is a problem. |
| 03:49.41 | Shirik | no ty |
| 03:50.16 | DWSR | batrick: Chrome doesn't have that problem. =\ |
| 03:50.45 | batrick | DWSR: my experience 2 minutes ago begs to differ |
| 03:50.51 | DWSR | batrick: You fail. |
| 03:50.54 | DWSR | Use dev channel. |
| 03:51.03 | batrick | dev channel? |
| 03:52.14 | DWSR | dev channel. |
| 03:52.26 | DWSR | ucwutididthar? |
| 03:52.29 | batrick | ya the question mark was meant to tell you I have nfi what that is |
| 03:52.42 | DWSR | batrick: Monty Python reference. Parrot sketch |
| 03:52.58 | batrick | thanks |
| 03:53.08 | DWSR | anyway, google chrome dev channel. |
| 03:53.21 | DWSR | Chrome has 3 channels, nightly, dev, and release. |
| 03:53.27 | DWSR | dev are basically beta quality. |
| 03:53.37 | DWSR | nightly is the nightly builds, and release is well...release quality guilds. |
| 03:53.38 | DWSR | builds* |
| 03:53.52 | DWSR | Anyway, when you just download chrome from chrome.google.com, you get release channel. |
| 03:54.04 | DWSR | If you swap to either dev or nightly, you get more up to date builds. |
| 03:54.33 | DWSR | There's a small app which will switch the channel your Chrome is on. Once you swap channels, all updates are done through Chrome. |
| 03:55.17 | batrick | well i'm on nightly for linux |
| 03:55.30 | batrick | my problem was design related not a bug |
| 03:56.17 | Thunder_Child | can you alter the tooltip from the new lfg minmap icon? |
| 03:56.30 | DWSR | yes |
| 03:56.56 | Thunder_Child | is there an addon yet that put how long you have been waiting next to the "average wait time"? |
| 03:57.14 | *** part/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@173-25-23-10.client.mchsi.com) |
| 03:57.25 | eidolarr | for dungeons? |
| 03:57.35 | eidolarr | I know SSPVP does it for bgs |
| 03:58.17 | Thunder_Child | that does a lot more than just ad the time |
| 03:58.29 | Thunder_Child | add* |
| 03:59.52 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 04:12.39 | Kraps | wow, how did we learn to tank? a 76 guy doesnt know what "kite" means |
| 04:13.21 | Dagmar | might be his first game |
| 04:13.32 | Dagmar | Tanks typically don't kite much |
| 04:13.43 | Dagmar | ...now if he doesn't know what an LoS pull is I'd worry. |
| 04:14.02 | ZorbaTHut | if he's a new tank, I wouldn't worry |
| 04:14.10 | ZorbaTHut | it's not like *any* of tanking is explained ingame |
| 04:14.21 | Kraps | we got xevozz in vh |
| 04:14.40 | ZorbaTHut | hell they don't even really tell you what threat is. WoW is an incredibly opaque game in many ways. |
| 04:15.33 | Kraps | ZorbaTHut: i dont care if hes new, we could do it again, but pug dont stand for that anymore |
| 04:16.08 | Kraps | i just wigh i could remember how i learned to tank |
| 04:16.16 | ZorbaTHut | I can tell you how you learned |
| 04:16.21 | Kraps | s/wigh/wish/ |
| 04:16.27 | ZorbaTHut | it involved a lot of people saying "wow, this guy doesn't even know what 'kite' means" |
| 04:16.56 | Kraps | lol |
| 04:17.26 | WobWork | I learned by tanking lower level instances |
| 04:17.42 | DWSR | I tank on my warlock |
| 04:17.44 | WobWork | every time I hear a DK go "Oh, I'll dps til 80 then learn to tank" I cry |
| 04:17.48 | DWSR | Mostly because I'm demo |
| 04:18.02 | Kraps | i dont think i'm too shabby as a healer either, as far as a 75 priest goes |
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| 04:20.25 | Kraps | i just wish i had another healing class so i dont have to be a one-shot wonder |
| 04:20.38 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: hello! I had a question for you! |
| 04:20.46 | WobWork | Kraps: roll a shammy! |
| 04:20.53 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: what's my rotation for tanking as warrior, currently level 30 |
| 04:21.10 | WobWork | sundersundersundersundersundersunder? |
| 04:21.18 | Jerub | that was suggested earlier. |
| 04:21.24 | Jerub | but i know zorba's a warrior, so i'm asking him |
| 04:21.25 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, warrior tanking is priority-based, not rotation based |
| 04:21.32 | Dagmar | three sunders rule |
| 04:21.34 | Kraps | ^ |
| 04:21.40 | ZorbaTHut | shield slam>revenge>thunderclap>sunder everything forever |
| 04:21.42 | eidolarr | oh yeah, how's that working out for you Jerub |
| 04:21.45 | Kraps | er ^ to ZorbaTHut |
| 04:21.53 | NightHawkTheSane | s/sunder/devastate/ |
| 04:21.55 | ZorbaTHut | um, concussion blow in there somewhere also, probably right before thunderclap. dunno if you have it yet. |
| 04:22.03 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, pretty sure he odesn't have devastate at level 30 |
| 04:22.06 | NightHawkTheSane | oh |
| 04:22.13 | NightHawkTheSane | well, dont have SS at 30 either |
| 04:22.20 | Dagmar | Get 3 sunders in as quick as you can and then whack those moles |
| 04:22.21 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'm not sure what he has or doesn't have yet |
| 04:22.29 | NightHawkTheSane | at 30.. its uh.. revenge when its up, thunderclap, and spam HS if you can |
| 04:22.30 | eidolarr | tclap tab sunder |
| 04:22.38 | NightHawkTheSane | and sunder |
| 04:22.41 | ZorbaTHut | probably just got conc blow |
| 04:22.43 | NightHawkTheSane | get the glph of revenge |
| 04:22.52 | eidolarr | what's that do? |
| 04:23.01 | NightHawkTheSane | makes HS free when your revenge hits |
| 04:23.04 | Jerub | i was spamming HS and thunderclap |
| 04:23.07 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's a good one |
| 04:23.15 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, revenge is amazing in every way (even for soloing) |
| 04:23.17 | Amarande | hmm, 11agi/11stam vs. 18ap/9agi/6stam |
| 04:23.21 | Amarande | I'm assuming the latter. :) |
| 04:23.27 | ZorbaTHut | and sunder is higher priority than HS. HS is your rage dump. |
| 04:23.33 | ZorbaTHut | (or cleave, if you're tanking multiple mobs) |
| 04:23.56 | Jerub | i ragequit on this warrior because solo levelling as prot warrior in the barrens was exactly equal to suck |
| 04:24.03 | Jerub | but now we've got LFD i've gotta learn to play it again |
| 04:24.07 | eidolarr | honestly though you can just spam sunder with revenge here and there |
| 04:24.10 | ZorbaTHut | prot leveling isn't that bad, but *use revenge* |
| 04:24.12 | eidolarr | how is LDf at low level? |
| 04:24.14 | ZorbaTHut | it is an amazing ability |
| 04:24.33 | eidolarr | er LFD |
| 04:24.38 | Jerub | oh, and i was whacking revenge when it was up |
| 04:24.42 | ZorbaTHut | if you're not hammering revenge pretty much whenever it's up, you're doing it wrong, no matter what you're doing |
| 04:24.44 | ZorbaTHut | alright cool :) |
| 04:24.59 | AbsolutRayne | Wait the first word was posted? O_o |
| 04:25.07 | Jerub | i didn't know what it's name was, but it was that one that would suddenly become active and i'd whack it |
| 04:25.15 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's revenge |
| 04:25.18 | NightHawkTheSane | shield block->revenge->hs is awesome for leveling |
| 04:25.36 | ZorbaTHut | punching shield block whenever it's up isn't a bad idea (i personally have it macroed to Shield Slam) |
| 04:25.44 | Jerub | oh, shjield block wasn't hitting it. |
| 04:26.00 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: oh cool, i might do that too. |
| 04:26.03 | eidolarr | why not level as arms or fury? |
| 04:26.08 | ZorbaTHut | warriors have enough oh-shit buttons that I personally just make Shield Block part of the rotation |
| 04:26.09 | NightHawkTheSane | because prot is fun? |
| 04:26.10 | Jerub | eidolarr: because tank. |
| 04:26.23 | ZorbaTHut | it's ideal coupled with Shield Slam because it makes SS better, but if you don't have SS yet, just toss it on Sunder or Revenge or something |
| 04:26.32 | Jerub | i've got SS |
| 04:26.35 | eidolarr | i mean why not switch to tanking at 80 or 70? |
| 04:26.36 | AbsolutRayne | :S ok then... |
| 04:26.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: for leveling, yeah, i hit it when its up, i coudl see it being saved situationally for specific encounters though *shrug* |
| 04:26.50 | Jerub | eidolarr: because it's nice to do instances at lower levels. |
| 04:26.53 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, prot is fun to level with, you're basically invincible and you can kill multiple things at once |
| 04:27.05 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, I thought shield slam was level 40 |
| 04:27.14 | eidolarr | yeah for fun is a legit answer, j/w why he was doing it in particular |
| 04:27.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought it was too... |
| 04:27.29 | Jerub | yeah, when levelling I was basically invincible, but it took foreer to kill anything |
| 04:27.35 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, it's a bit slower than arms or fury is in terms of sheer DPS, but your downtime is near-zero, especially if you're Draenei |
| 04:27.42 | AbsolutRayne | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28923&page=#27 troll post? |
| 04:27.44 | Jerub | sorry, not SS |
| 04:27.44 | ZorbaTHut | or have the HP regen trinkets |
| 04:27.53 | Polarina | plays a priest and levels as holy. |
| 04:28.08 | ZorbaTHut | damn, warbringer's really far down the talent tree |
| 04:28.12 | eidolarr | can you solo elites? leveling warrior was the worst |
| 04:28.15 | ZorbaTHut | once you have warbringer prot gets *much* faster |
| 04:28.20 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, some of them, yes |
| 04:28.33 | NightHawkTheSane | warbringer is basically WHY leveling prot is fucking fun :P |
| 04:28.37 | eidolarr | I remember as arms i couldn't solo anything |
| 04:28.46 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I honestly feel like warbringer is one of the most fun talents in the entire game |
| 04:28.52 | NightHawkTheSane | it easily is |
| 04:29.18 | eidolarr | i hate that |
| 04:29.23 | eidolarr | prot warriors need nerfs so bad in pvp haha |
| 04:29.41 | Legorol | what is LFD? |
| 04:29.47 | WobWork | Although, playing the game, I've found the better tanks are the ones that started tanking early |
| 04:29.47 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, eh, we're not that strong in pvp. we're low on damage and don't have anything useful like mortal strike |
| 04:29.49 | WobWork | looking for dungeon |
| 04:29.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: looking for dungeon |
| 04:29.53 | NightHawkTheSane | the new dungeon finder system |
| 04:29.56 | ZorbaTHut | we're fantastic anti-caster but we can't actually kill casters, just annoy them severely |
| 04:29.58 | Jerub | oh, when tanking, should i be permanantly in defence stance? |
| 04:29.59 | Legorol | oh right, i thought you are talking some ability |
| 04:30.02 | Legorol | thanks |
| 04:30.05 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, yes, def stance forever |
| 04:30.12 | eidolarr | a properly geared prot warrior hurts about 75% the dmg of arms, almost totally locks down caster, is unkillable |
| 04:30.14 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: so no charge until i get warbringer then |
| 04:30.18 | ZorbaTHut | the days of stancedancing in anything besides PvP are done |
| 04:30.30 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, it's arguable that you could do some ugly stancedancing stuff to charge, but . . . yeah it's not worth it |
| 04:30.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: you want to revenge, so yes, def stance always. |
| 04:30.45 | eidolarr | we fought this 2400 prot/arms/druid and it was ridiculous, our shaman couldn't cast anything for about 40 seconds |
| 04:30.45 | NightHawkTheSane | easier just to taunt the mob, it's 30 yards so.. :P |
| 04:30.48 | ZorbaTHut | remember to use Bloodrage pretty much whenever it's up |
| 04:30.52 | Legorol | imo staying in battle stance is good enough for soloing, especially at low level |
| 04:30.55 | Legorol | that way you have charge |
| 04:31.01 | ZorbaTHut | Glyph of Bloodrage is a good one to keep around |
| 04:31.23 | AbsolutRayne | Ok guess im going nuts. Thanks |
| 04:31.29 | Legorol | btw, whoever said that prot is good because it doesn't have downtime, i found that fury has no downtime either |
| 04:31.36 | Legorol | heirlooms + bloodthirst heal enough |
| 04:32.00 | eidolarr | we fought a 2400 prot warrior / prot paladin in 2v2 too, that was pretty weird |
| 04:32.09 | eidolarr | thank god they went for my healer, i wouldn't have done any dmg to them if they hadnt |
| 04:32.14 | Thunder_Child | war prot/pally prot/holly pally makes for a disgusting group. it's also viable |
| 04:32.28 | Thunder_Child | holy* |
| 04:32.32 | eidolarr | in 3v3? |
| 04:32.35 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 04:32.40 | eidolarr | yeah I can imagine |
| 04:32.55 | eidolarr | I think you'd need MS though |
| 04:33.17 | Legorol | bore opponent to death |
| 04:33.24 | eidolarr | no they are scary as hell |
| 04:33.32 | Thunder_Child | no, they hit HARD |
| 04:33.34 | eidolarr | they do a crazy amount of damage coupled with silences |
| 04:33.38 | Thunder_Child | i have a pvp prot pally |
| 04:33.39 | Legorol | with tons of +BV gear, prot warrior should be able to have good SS htis |
| 04:33.53 | Legorol | even after nerf |
| 04:34.01 | eidolarr | it's really the total spell lockout that dose it |
| 04:34.47 | eidolarr | and the way you can't kite them at all |
| 04:34.54 | eidolarr | kiting warriors is bad, kiting prot warriors is impossible |
| 04:35.05 | alestane | Legorol: Block value really makes prot pallies scary. When my Libram of the Sacred Shield goes off, my Shield of Righteousness crits for around 5500. |
| 04:35.14 | alestane | And I'm not really that geared yet. |
| 04:35.26 | Jerub | i haven't ever arena'd. i should. |
| 04:35.38 | eidolarr | what class? |
| 04:36.12 | Thunder_Child | i have seen 10K crits |
| 04:36.48 | eidolarr | i doubt even mages can kite them |
| 04:36.53 | eidolarr | on a lock it's ridiculous |
| 04:36.56 | Thunder_Child | not with fom |
| 04:37.16 | eidolarr | fom? |
| 04:37.22 | Thunder_Child | it's also impossible to kite pallies in any form |
| 04:37.38 | eidolarr | prot pallies you mean? |
| 04:37.42 | eidolarr | we kite ret pallies pretty easily |
| 04:38.01 | Thunder_Child | fom shouldnt let you kite |
| 04:38.31 | eidolarr | what does it stand for? |
| 04:38.50 | Thunder_Child | freedom of movement |
| 04:39.22 | Polarina | Why kite? |
| 04:39.22 | eidolarr | haha a dnd player i see |
| 04:39.27 | eidolarr | you mean hand of freedom? |
| 04:39.36 | Thunder_Child | er....ya >.< |
| 04:39.44 | eidolarr | when they do that we just fear and then go back to kiting |
| 04:39.51 | Thunder_Child | though they didnt used to be called hands |
| 04:39.58 | Kraps | WobWork: were you serious about the shammy? |
| 04:40.07 | Thunder_Child | blessings...still does not equal |
| 04:40.12 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 04:40.33 | eidolarr | kite because they can't do any dmg while they're at distance :P |
| 04:41.20 | Polarina | :P |
| 04:41.50 | Polarina | They should change the threat system to something more intelligent, like always make mobs attack the healers first. |
| 04:42.05 | eidolarr | the kd on hand of freedom is a lot more prohibitive than it feels from the outside looking in, i find if you just fear and snare they'll pop it and then not have it when they need it |
| 04:42.10 | eidolarr | *cd not kd |
| 04:43.08 | WobWork | Kraps: I have a lot of fun on my shammy |
| 04:43.20 | WobWork | it's a nice hybrid like the druid |
| 04:43.26 | alestane | Polarina: When this was brought up at one of the first BlizzCons, the designers' response was, "Oh, we can kill you any time we want." |
| 04:43.28 | WobWork | you can spec melee caster or healing |
| 04:43.31 | Jerub | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=19782&pageNumber=1&searchQuery=change+password |
| 04:43.34 | Jerub | that doesn't work for me.... |
| 04:43.42 | Polarina | alestane: lol |
| 04:43.52 | WobWork | Jerub: maybe through battlenet? |
| 04:46.25 | Polarina | goes making her first AddOn since 2.4. |
| 04:46.37 | Jerub | buys an authenticator for his mobile phone. |
| 04:46.38 | Thunder_Child | eidolarr: just wait till they make a 2 or 4 set bonus thats "xxx has a chance to reset the cooldown on your HoF" |
| 04:46.53 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: it's free isnt it? |
| 04:47.16 | WobWork | the iphone one is |
| 04:47.32 | Thunder_Child | i thought all phone ones were |
| 04:47.41 | Corrodias | wow, i didn't think apple would let you have anything free |
| 04:47.48 | WobWork | Possibly =) I never checked the other phones |
| 04:48.04 | WobWork | Corrodias: you actually pay through small soul instalments over the years |
| 04:48.11 | WobWork | but they don't tell you that except in the fine print |
| 04:48.15 | Corrodias | oooh |
| 04:48.27 | eidolarr | Thunder_Child: they tried pretty hard to nerf it and they never change arena set bonuses, i'd be very surprised to see it before cataclysm |
| 04:48.48 | Jerub | $1 for the nokia one |
| 04:49.01 | WobWork | think of it this way |
| 04:49.06 | WobWork | you're not buying an authenticator |
| 04:49.15 | WobWork | you're buying a BABY CORE HOUND PUP |
| 04:49.34 | Thunder_Child | KT > |
| 04:49.48 | WobWork | greater than nothing? |
| 04:50.01 | WobWork | hm |
| 04:50.05 | WobWork | almost to the perky pug |
| 04:50.10 | WobWork | but I hate pug dogs |
| 04:50.27 | Thunder_Child | KT > * |
| 04:50.28 | WobWork | the whole butt scoot thing makes me cringe |
| 04:50.30 | Thunder_Child | better? |
| 04:50.40 | eidolarr | can you believe there was a time when pallies had HOF uptime 20/24 seconds or something like that? christ |
| 04:50.43 | Polarina | What is this local addonName, addonTable = ... at top of addons? |
| 04:50.50 | eidolarr | it's new |
| 04:50.52 | eidolarr | see API changes |
| 04:51.01 | Jerub | confused. |
| 04:51.03 | eidolarr | gets the name, and a local scope shared by all files in the addon |
| 04:51.06 | WobWork | wha? |
| 04:51.19 | Polarina | eidolarr: Local scope? |
| 04:51.25 | eidolarr | it's just a table |
| 04:51.32 | eidolarr | every file in the addon will return the same table if you do that |
| 04:51.37 | eidolarr | so you can use it as a private addon scope |
| 04:51.39 | Polarina | Something no other addon can access unless I make it so? |
| 04:51.43 | eidolarr | right |
| 04:51.49 | Polarina | Nice. :P |
| 04:52.03 | WobWork | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20437376853&sid=1 |
| 04:52.34 | WobWork | hm |
| 04:52.36 | WobWork | I like that |
| 04:52.50 | WobWork | less random dumping into global to cross file share |
| 04:52.52 | eidolarr | yeah it's neat |
| 04:53.02 | Jerub | k, done. |
| 04:53.17 | Jerub | will expect to get his core hound pup when he nextlogs in. |
| 04:54.09 | Jerub | okay, sow hat's the deal with when i lose my mobile phone? |
| 04:54.18 | Jerub | how do i remove the authenticator? |
| 04:54.26 | WobWork | using battlenet |
| 04:54.34 | WobWork | one thing you should do now |
| 04:54.38 | WobWork | is take your authenticator |
| 04:54.46 | WobWork | and copy down two consecutive numbers |
| 04:54.56 | WobWork | and store that somewhere safe along with the authenticator ID |
| 04:55.07 | WobWork | that'll allow you to detach it from your account if you ever lose it |
| 04:55.12 | WobWork | (I think) |
| 04:55.32 | Corrodias | i thought it was 3 numbers |
| 04:55.38 | WobWork | could be wrong =) |
| 04:56.23 | Jerub | emails himself 5 numbers |
| 04:56.59 | Corrodias | plain text email? uh oh |
| 04:57.07 | Corrodias | security breach, baby! |
| 04:57.25 | Corrodias | well, risk, but you know what i mean |
| 04:57.36 | WobWork | Cairenn: how much time before competition start? |
| 04:57.48 | Jerub | it's alright, i'll also write them down on a postit note and put that on my monitor. |
| 04:57.49 | Cairenn | just posted the first clue, actually :) |
| 04:57.59 | Jerub | what competition? |
| 04:58.36 | AbsolutRayne | I already got it :D |
| 04:58.50 | Kraps | WobWork: i have a 50 druid and a 33 shammy |
| 04:59.01 | AbsolutRayne | Its super easy to browse a site when youre the first person to die on Faction Champions |
| 04:59.02 | AbsolutRayne | :P |
| 04:59.38 | WobWork | Cairenn: woot! |
| 04:59.40 | WobWork | entered! |
| 05:00.17 | Jerub | AbsolutRayne: ? |
| 05:00.19 | WobWork | Kraps: brain heal is fun on a shammy |
| 05:00.37 | Kraps | and southshore is being raped right now |
| 05:00.42 | WobWork | Jerub: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28923 |
| 05:00.51 | AbsolutRayne | Jerub: Arms Warrior ate my face when the DK CoId me. :( |
| 05:00.52 | Kraps | WobWork: whats brain heal? |
| 05:00.57 | WobWork | chain heal =) |
| 05:01.12 | Kraps | heh |
| 05:02.24 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 05:02.30 | Cairenn | hi Amarande |
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| 05:07.00 | WobWork | Corrodias: only need two |
| 05:07.40 | Corrodias | cool |
| 05:08.18 | Kraps | so 3 80s are raping southshore, along comes a druid and eats them for dinner |
| 05:08.35 | Corrodias | that doesn't rhyme. |
| 05:09.12 | Kraps | so 3 80s are raping southshore, along comes a druid and the 80s are no more |
| 05:09.41 | Corrodias | you'll be the next dr seuss in no time |
| 05:16.09 | Jerub | this is kinda fun. instead of telling boring stories here i'm throwing them on my new wow blog. |
| 05:16.27 | Jerub | next i need a way of posting to it from within wow ;) |
| 05:16.28 | Kraps | link |
| 05:16.42 | Kraps | or this kitten dies |
| 05:16.57 | Jerub | http://leaf.posterous.com/ |
| 05:18.43 | Jerub | anyone already got an addon that lets me write email within wow and sends it on next /reloadui ? |
| 05:21.04 | Gnarfoz | the wow twitter client works like that |
| 05:24.14 | Jerub | ffs. |
| 05:24.28 | Jerub | i'm trying to make a twitter account for the blog and all the relevent names are taken. |
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| 05:39.05 | DWSR | Jerub: Not possible. |
| 05:40.06 | DWSR | since...what? 1.1? |
| 05:42.15 | Torhal | DWSR: [00:21] <Gnarfoz> the wow twitter client works like that |
| 05:44.17 | Jerub | DWSR: 15:42 < Torhal> DWSR: [00:21] <Gnarfoz> the wow twitter client works like that |
| 05:45.59 | Jerub | posterous.com is kinda neat. to blog you just send email to it. |
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| 05:51.56 | eidolarr | yeah but then you accidentally send blog posts to people |
| 05:52.51 | Jerub | c'est la vie. |
| 05:53.13 | WobWork | better than accidentally sending email to the blog |
| 05:53.37 | WobWork | and Jerub, you'll need a client side application to read the SV file upon change and do the emailing |
| 05:54.24 | Jerub | WobWork: that's alright, i already have something similar for automagically submitting qh data |
| 05:55.52 | WobWork | subscribes to Jerub's blog |
| 05:57.31 | Torhal | takes a screenshot of WobWork subscribing to Jerub's blog. |
| 05:59.54 | Jerub | so how hard is it to throw together a text editor in game? |
| 06:00.37 | Jerub | really just need to be able to save data into SavedVariables. |
| 06:03.39 | Fisker | kisses WobWork |
| 06:06.38 | Thunder_Child | there are already |
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| 06:07.33 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: text editors? I'm sure. but I've never written an addon before, and i need to find something i can easily throw together. |
| 06:08.02 | Thunder_Child | ag |
| 06:08.05 | Thunder_Child | ah* |
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| 06:19.07 | Jerub | where do i go to read about writing addons? |
| 06:20.38 | eidolarr | Jerub: do you know Lua? |
| 06:21.31 | Thunder_Child | everyone knows Lua |
| 06:21.40 | Thunder_Child | large white thing in the night sky |
| 06:21.54 | Jerub | eidolarr: i've read a primer. |
| 06:22.02 | Jerub | eidolarr: and i'm an experienced programmer. |
| 06:24.01 | eidolarr | then copy from a simple addon |
| 06:24.41 | Thunder_Child | hey Cairenn, are the hints going to get harder? |
| 06:24.52 | Cairenn | I dunno |
| 06:25.03 | Cairenn | I don't know how hard or easy people will consider the hints |
| 06:25.34 | Thunder_Child | like, in reference to clams and oytsters, what number did Cairenn get |
| 06:25.48 | Cairenn | the whole purpose isn't to make it hard for people, it's to make it a little bit more fun than just signing up once and hoping your name gets drawn |
| 06:25.50 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:25.51 | Thunder_Child | or, what was both Cairenn and lope hugging at the same time |
| 06:26.09 | Cairenn | but there's no page on the site that provides the answers to those hints |
| 06:26.18 | Jerub | eidolarr: give me a hint, what's a simple addon i should look at? |
| 06:26.33 | eidolarr | what's your idea for an addon? |
| 06:26.45 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: forums. i think someone posted the links to the pictures at least |
| 06:27.13 | Cairenn | (plus we get to use it to show people around the site to parts they may not have seen before &/or smack people upside the head with things like the fact we have an FAQ, etc ;) ) |
| 06:27.34 | eidolarr | the purpose of riddles so obscure seems more to exclude than to have fun |
| 06:27.46 | Cairenn | precisely |
| 06:27.47 | Adys | whats a FAQ? |
| 06:27.52 | Cairenn | it isn't to make it hard, just fun |
| 06:28.00 | eidolarr | exploring a site for a pet is something i would do, not grepping thruogh old forum posts for an image |
| 06:28.23 | eidolarr | Jerub: what is your addon going to do? |
| 06:28.57 | Jerub | eidolarr: I just want to be able to write up little blog posts within the addon, while playing wow, then grab them out of SavedVariables with a script and post them to my blog. |
| 06:29.07 | Jerub | so basically, Text Editor + Save button. |
| 06:29.45 | Jerub | (it would be super awesome if shift clicking an item would automtically put the right html in in post processing, but that's somsething i can fiddle with on my own) |
| 06:30.43 | eidolarr | i'm pretty sure there are several notepad addons that can save scripts across sessions, your script could even just pull from such an addon as a quick hack |
| 06:31.06 | eidolarr | i think there's like, luapad, wowlua |
| 06:32.38 | Jerub | awesome. |
| 06:32.41 | Jerub | i'll look at those. |
| 06:35.38 | Cairenn | can't believe how thick some people are, though |
| 06:35.40 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:36.06 | Dezzimal | what would be a good addon to dissect to see acecomm in action? |
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| 06:46.55 | Adys | Dezzimal: AceScalpel? |
| 06:47.09 | Dezzimal | oh you |
| 06:47.25 | Adys | oh me. |
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| 06:49.56 | Shirik | tackles Adys |
| 06:51.06 | Adys | oh Shiibot |
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| 06:54.24 | Shirik | nice try Adys |
| 06:54.26 | Shirik | you have failed |
| 06:54.33 | Adys | I didnt try |
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| 06:57.29 | DWSR | You still failed. |
| 06:59.52 | Shirik | ^ |
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| 07:06.54 | Shirik | So I'm sitting in vent today |
| 07:07.29 | Shirik | and someone starts talking about some random stuff I don't even remember anymore, gets to the topic someone brings up "Yeah that new priest we picked up is awesome" |
| 07:07.45 | Shirik | Was it wrong of me to wait 5 minutes before actually telling them I was there? |
| 07:07.50 | Shirik | Or does that make me egocentric? |
| 07:09.36 | Dagmar | The correct response is, "Yes, I am." |
| 07:09.46 | Dagmar | Faith in a healer is very important. |
| 07:10.35 | Shirik | I have no faith in myself |
| 07:10.54 | Dagmar | There's some folks on my server who are pleased as punch to have my guild leader fill out a pug because in the words of a couple of other guild leaders, as a healer "he's worth two" |
| 07:11.34 | Dagmar | Man you're a smart dude and healing is complex |
| 07:11.35 | Amarande | gah |
| 07:11.43 | Amarande | why do so many noobs ask for a *blacksmith* to smelt their stuff |
| 07:11.53 | Dagmar | You might not have faith, but it's likely because you see the things you miss that otehr people just don't have any idea about |
| 07:12.09 | Dagmar | Amarande: BEcause there's a lot of flipping different tradeskills |
| 07:14.10 | Dagmar | ...and the tradeskills don't exactly have tutorial walkthroughs |
| 07:14.17 | Nechckn | Because you are The Shirik, make them pay you to run every raid! |
| 07:14.29 | Shirik | rofl, no |
| 07:14.39 | Dagmar | Dude, I've charged 5 silver before. |
| 07:14.45 | Dagmar | "Gimme a nickel" |
| 07:14.47 | Shirik | I'm glad enough that I'm back in a guild where I'm actually valued instead of degraded at every turn |
| 07:14.51 | Nechckn | That, or gquit! Go to the highest bidder |
| 07:14.56 | Nechckn | ;-) |
| 07:14.57 | Dagmar | "Gimme a nickel, I shoot whoever you want, man." |
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| 07:15.04 | Shirik | Nah I like these guys |
| 07:15.07 | Shirik | and they don't take shit either |
| 07:15.20 | Shirik | they were inches from kicking about 10 people from the raid team today because of sheer incompetence |
| 07:15.35 | Dagmar | Probably makes more sense on an RP server to goof around as a bonded man |
| 07:15.48 | Nechckn | That does help, anyway.. it's nice to not have drama at all, but okay if it is just not directed at *you*. |
| 07:15.54 | bleeter | For those who didn't believe me... walked past it again today. Review's still there: http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh56/kantankerus/WoW/SellsLikeADemon.jpg |
| 07:16.26 | bleeter | Cairenn: ^^ |
| 07:16.38 | Dagmar | bleeter: That's not the first time someone's put something like that on a display |
| 07:16.40 | Shirik | sell like demon? |
| 07:16.41 | Shirik | rofl |
| 07:16.51 | Dagmar | They KNOW copies of that still sell |
| 07:17.03 | Cairenn | huh? |
| 07:17.16 | Shirik | so like |
| 07:17.16 | Cairenn | wonders why she was directed to it |
| 07:17.20 | Nechckn | It is all of those silly upside-down types, Shirik. They have special 'glish. |
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| 07:17.21 | Shirik | if I were to just start WoW now |
| 07:17.28 | Shirik | would I really have to pay $150 just to get into the game? |
| 07:17.31 | bleeter | Cairenn: coz I promised you I'd get a pic some day :P |
| 07:17.37 | Fisker- | you wouldn't start a WoW |
| 07:17.44 | Cairenn | I don't recall the conversation, sorry sweetie |
| 07:17.51 | Dagmar | It's an 'employee review' card in the section where they sell WoW in a game store |
| 07:17.58 | bleeter | wasn't really important :P |
| 07:18.00 | Dagmar | It's hilarious to see those |
| 07:18.01 | Fisker- | why would you have to pay 150$ anyways? |
| 07:18.05 | Cairenn | yes, I understand that, Dagmar |
| 07:18.09 | Shirik | WoW + BC + WotLK |
| 07:18.26 | Shirik | I just estimated $50/ea |
| 07:18.29 | eidolarr | WoW and BC are both $20 |
| 07:18.32 | Dagmar | Shirik: You can generally get all three for about the price of the original alone when it came out |
| 07:18.33 | Shirik | orly |
| 07:18.38 | eidolarr | WOTLK is probably $30 by now |
| 07:18.42 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 07:18.48 | Shirik | ok a bit more reasonable |
| 07:19.00 | Fisker- | you shouldn't be in this channel if you have to ask |
| 07:19.01 | Fisker- | ;3 |
| 07:19.01 | Dagmar | Yeah they're clearly intending to not relaly penalize late-comers |
| 07:19.07 | eidolarr | are the expansions really $50 when they come out? |
| 07:19.24 | Dagmar | eidolarr: Like I even looked at the price. |
| 07:19.25 | Shirik | pretty sure |
| 07:19.26 | bleeter | so.. if I get the base WoW when Cata comes out, I'll have to d/l a patch that'll totally update the entire install scenery, but no 60+ content |
| 07:19.29 | bleeter | hmmm |
| 07:19.30 | eidolarr | WoW was $5 over black friday weekend, less than the cost of the free month included |
| 07:19.30 | Shirik | I think I paid $79 |
| 07:19.31 | Elkano | also, just vanilla is enought until 60 if you don't intend to use any of the new races/classes/professions yourself |
| 07:19.41 | bleeter | wonder if Blizz will withdraw all the original media |
| 07:19.46 | Cairenn | I don't know why Blizz hasn't gone to the same thing as other game companies - buy an expansion, you get the "base" game included |
| 07:19.53 | Shirik | yeah Elkano but getting to 60 doesn't really get much for you :P |
| 07:20.09 | eidolarr | Cairenn did EQ do that? |
| 07:20.09 | Cairenn | so you don't have to buy the original plus all the expansions leading up to the one you're currently buying |
| 07:20.10 | Dagmar | They might do it for Cata just because of the amount of time and nonsense you'll have to go through to install sooo much |
| 07:20.12 | Fisker- | blargh Shirik |
| 07:20.13 | Cairenn | eidolarr: yes |
| 07:20.16 | bleeter | Cairenn: Suspect they will with Cata. As was just saying, the base install will be pointless, all that old terrain will be dead |
| 07:20.23 | Cairenn | nod |
| 07:20.24 | bleeter | Dagmar: yup |
| 07:20.32 | Fisker- | But you know what we should do Shirik ? |
| 07:20.33 | Elkano | but for the expansions, I think you'll need the older ones, too meaning if you get WotLK, you'll need BC, too |
| 07:20.34 | Shirik | Cairenn: Actually, I liked Soulstorm's model |
| 07:20.41 | eidolarr | they should just constantly rennovate old expansions now in a cycle |
| 07:20.49 | Fisker- | They should just use Cataclysm as a WoW + All pack |
| 07:20.51 | Shirik | 2 races per copy. You can buy any combination you want, etc. |
| 07:20.55 | eidolarr | next expansion is BC redux |
| 07:20.57 | Shirik | play what you buy |
| 07:20.57 | Fisker- | though people will QQ about catering to casuals |
| 07:21.05 | bleeter | GOD DAMN CASUALS |
| 07:21.08 | Dagmar | Casuals have more fun I think |
| 07:21.12 | Cairenn | they (SOE) gave the option - you could get the battle chest that had everything in one, or if you already had everything leading up to it, you could just get the expasion, at a slightly lower cost |
| 07:21.27 | Shirik | SOE is full of nutheads though |
| 07:21.31 | ZorbaTHut | it would be kind of neat if every expansion from now was "redesign an expansion + add more" |
| 07:21.33 | Dagmar | Agreed |
| 07:21.47 | eidolarr | meh |
| 07:21.47 | Dagmar | SOE had a _serious_ problem of making people who didnt' get the expansions into second-class citizens overnight |
| 07:21.57 | eidolarr | I don't think BC is nearly as bad as classic is in terms of questing |
| 07:22.01 | WobWork | It's true |
| 07:22.03 | eidolarr | BC I managed to get to 70 without any grinding |
| 07:22.06 | WobWork | Casuals have a hell of a lot more fun |
| 07:22.10 | eidolarr | so it's not hurting as bad for a redo |
| 07:22.10 | ZorbaTHut | eidolarr, yeah, definitely true |
| 07:22.15 | Dagmar | It was awful when they added the first expansion to EQII |
| 07:22.21 | WobWork | well they do now |
| 07:22.40 | WobWork | pre kara, it was pretty bleak for casuals |
| 07:22.41 | Shirik | Aren't they going to run out of places to expand to soon? |
| 07:22.46 | Dagmar | There were lands and areas you couldn't go into without the expansion that overlapped existing areas in level, and the drop rates and values were flagrantly 25-40% higher |
| 07:22.50 | bleeter | I'm halfway thru 76 and I ain't got 1/2 way thru the WotLK starting zones yet... is that bad? |
| 07:22.53 | Shirik | We going to add a Southrend? |
| 07:22.59 | WobWork | bleeter: no |
| 07:23.05 | Shirik | The real question: Is Southrend cold or hot? |
| 07:23.07 | WobWork | bleeter: it means more gold at 80 |
| 07:23.10 | Shirik | Most americans would think it's hot |
| 07:23.18 | Dagmar | bleeter: You would have a hard time *not* getting to 80 if you did eveyrthing everywhere |
| 07:23.18 | Shirik | but I think it should be like antartica |
| 07:23.20 | WobWork | Is Australia cold or hot? =P |
| 07:23.29 | Dagmar | Mostly you'll wind up skipping one zone entirely, and part of another |
| 07:23.29 | WobWork | The answer is "Yes" |
| 07:23.41 | eidolarr | i don't get the 'casual' thing, i play like an hour a week during classes and still get gladiator :P |
| 07:23.44 | Elkano | Shirik, we still got the Dark Portal or rather the other portals in Outland ;) |
| 07:23.53 | bleeter | I still failed to do all of original, and half of netherstorm and none of.. oh, that far south place in outland |
| 07:24.08 | Amarande | wow, some of this ilvl 264 BoE stuff looks win |
| 07:24.10 | eidolarr | i still don't have flying training on any of my characters |
| 07:24.19 | bleeter | i still dont have a brain |
| 07:24.22 | Dagmar | On my DK the only reason I went into Sholazar was to unlock the flight points. I didn't touch Zul'Drak or Storm Peaks and barely skimmed Grizzly Hills. |
| 07:24.25 | Amarande | but ... is there an ilvl 264 BoE ranged weapon for hunters, or is the only one this tanking gun? |
| 07:24.27 | bleeter | blames Cide |
| 07:24.37 | Shirik | Elkano: I don't know enough lore |
| 07:24.44 | Dagmar | Now I just kinda piddle around in those areas looking at NPCs and saying "Oh you have some money for me?" |
| 07:24.46 | Shirik | I see nothing wrong with adding a southrend |
| 07:25.01 | Shirik | we could make the map symmetrical |
| 07:25.08 | Shirik | or better yet |
| 07:25.10 | Elkano | also I wonder if we'll get to fight Sageras directly in Cata or later |
| 07:25.16 | ZorbaTHut | every single new expansion will just add a new Rend |
| 07:25.18 | ZorbaTHut | Southeastrend |
| 07:25.21 | Shirik | Unless Azeroth is flat, there should be a whole other side ofthe world we're missing |
| 07:25.28 | ZorbaTHut | Justpastnorthrend |
| 07:25.30 | Dagmar | It *looks* pretty flat |
| 07:25.35 | ZorbaTHut | Sixmilesintheiairrend |
| 07:25.58 | Shirik | well if it's flat, Dagmar, obviously we need content that exists at the end of Azeroth |
| 07:25.59 | bleeter | Shirik: I've never detected a solar azimuth thingy |
| 07:25.59 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, there's a globe of Azeroth in Ulduar, it's pretty much all ocean |
| 07:26.02 | Shirik | I mean come on |
| 07:26.10 | Shirik | that would be so bad ass |
| 07:26.14 | Shirik | fighting on the edge of the world |
| 07:26.17 | Elkano | even if it's flat, we still have the other side ;) |
| 07:26.18 | ZorbaTHut | it used to be one giant continent until the high elves blew it up |
| 07:26.27 | bleeter | bloody elves |
| 07:26.31 | Dagmar | Eventually someone's going to make a land so vast that people will feel dwarfed by it without the need for zone padding |
| 07:26.40 | bleeter | n dwarves |
| 07:26.42 | Dagmar | Blizz seems _headed_ that way |
| 07:26.43 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut: Maybe that's because nobody's discovered it! |
| 07:26.45 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, Anarchy Online. Eve Online. It's been done. |
| 07:26.47 | Shirik | We need a christopher columbus |
| 07:26.58 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, call me nuts, but I feel like the Titans are probably a good authority on what continents exist right now |
| 07:26.59 | bleeter | need a surfing carnival |
| 07:27.04 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: you're nuts |
| 07:27.04 | Fisker- | i need to fucking kill this dns |
| 07:27.05 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 07:27.05 | Shirik | P.S. Even Algalon was wrong. He admitted his own faulty calculations |
| 07:27.07 | Dagmar | I don't think Anarchy Online works in that respect. There's a lot of dead space there |
| 07:27.15 | bleeter | flees |
| 07:27.20 | Fisker- | Shirik why oh why can't hosts do ip redirection as well? |
| 07:27.21 | Fisker- | QQ |
| 07:27.29 | Shirik | pipes Fisker into /dev/null |
| 07:27.49 | Dagmar | Ficker-: Maybe try Google's, or do like I do and just set up your own |
| 07:28.05 | Adys | Shirik: he blamed blizzard's programming |
| 07:28.13 | Dagmar | They dont' do IP redirection because they're not blessed with netfilter |
| 07:28.17 | Shirik | Adys: A logical assumption |
| 07:28.28 | Fisker- | Dagmar the issue is that i can't change DNS here :P |
| 07:28.33 | Adys | awesome shit |
| 07:28.35 | Fisker- | and the DNS is used for content filtering |
| 07:28.36 | Fisker- | QQ |
| 07:28.37 | Dagmar | Seriously? |
| 07:28.42 | Dagmar | Ah... OpenDNS |
| 07:28.47 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 07:28.49 | Adys | torrents dling at 2400kbps again |
| 07:28.57 | Dagmar | I *like* openDNS |
| 07:29.12 | Adys | Google's DNS currently sucks ass in europe |
| 07:29.14 | Dagmar | ...although I suspect they'll wind up getting sued by spammers and malware authors eventually |
| 07:29.21 | Adys | its on-par with opendns in the US tho |
| 07:29.32 | Dagmar | Just like all the first big open spam-filtering clearinghouses |
| 07:29.49 | Fisker- | opendns is shit |
| 07:29.59 | Adys | i meant in speed |
| 07:30.04 | Fisker- | google dns could work through pigeons and it would still be better than opendns |
| 07:30.06 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 07:30.13 | ccox | "the quest for Quel'Dinero" --- in a discussion about the hilt should have been BoP |
| 07:30.14 | Dagmar | We've started using it at the office because they'll drop in a block for nasty sites in a heartbeat |
| 07:30.19 | Adys | opendns and google's dns are in the top3 fastest worldwide |
| 07:30.26 | Adys | i suspect google's will improve |
| 07:30.35 | Shirik | google has a DNS? |
| 07:30.38 | Adys | sure |
| 07:30.38 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 07:30.45 | Dagmar | I think they announced it last week |
| 07:30.46 | Shirik | why |
| 07:30.46 | Adys | http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/ |
| 07:30.52 | Shirik | I don't get it |
| 07:30.53 | Adys | because they're awesome thats why |
| 07:30.57 | Shirik | why does google do all this |
| 07:30.59 | Shirik | no |
| 07:31.06 | Dagmar | Frankly, because it lets them be more efficient |
| 07:31.07 | Fisker- | so i can browse the pirate bay Shirik |
| 07:31.10 | Shirik | There is no business in "being awesome" |
| 07:31.16 | Adys | yes, yes there is |
| 07:31.19 | Fisker- | well it's worked well sofar |
| 07:31.20 | Dagmar | There is when you can turn it into banner revenue |
| 07:31.39 | Hjalte | http://code.google.com/p/namebench/ This tool seems pretty awesome at finding out if you should switch to another DNS |
| 07:31.40 | Dagmar | Remember they were the first people to really start making _serious_ money off of targeted ads |
| 07:31.46 | Shirik | Dagmar: That's not being awesome, that's capitalizing on the needs of the blogosphere :P |
| 07:31.59 | Dagmar | Up until then, most of the online ad companies were pretty hit-and-miss |
| 07:32.16 | Adys | namebench was written using open-source tools and libraries such as Python, Tkinter, PyObjC, dnspython, jinja2 and graphy. |
| 07:32.18 | Adys | ARGH |
| 07:32.18 | Shirik | so wait |
| 07:32.22 | Adys | WHAT KIND OF 20% PROJECT USES TK |
| 07:32.28 | Dagmar | Adys: heheheh |
| 07:32.30 | Shirik | you're telling me basically Google invented the tracking cookie? |
| 07:32.36 | Shirik | down with google! |
| 07:32.42 | Dagmar | No, but they were the first company to make _serious_ money off it |
| 07:32.49 | Shirik | I wonder if there's a google resistance forces |
| 07:32.52 | Dagmar | Doubleclick was the only company I know of that was even coming close at the time |
| 07:32.55 | Fisker- | someone should make a browser that'll use it's own dns lookup hoho |
| 07:33.12 | Adys | Fisker: chrome does that, actually |
| 07:33.17 | Dagmar | It was pretty much like they figured out how to spin straw into gold where everyone else was just painting the straw and crossing their fingers |
| 07:33.25 | Adys | and I believe firefox does too |
| 07:33.28 | Fisker- | wtb portable chrome then |
| 07:33.46 | Adys | http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/google_chrome_portable |
| 07:33.58 | Shirik | night night |
| 07:34.11 | Adys | Everything awesome you can think of, Google has already done it |
| 07:34.20 | Adys | if they haven't, they're currently doing it |
| 07:34.29 | Thunder_Child | BJ's? |
| 07:34.29 | Adys | if you haven't heard about it, they haven't announced it yet |
| 07:34.33 | Dagmar | Adys: You wouldn't happen to have some simple documentation on making U3 files that doesn't start with "Download this tool and use it" would you? |
| 07:34.41 | Fisker- | and if they aren't doing it, it's not awesome yet |
| 07:34.47 | Adys | Yeah |
| 07:34.52 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 07:35.16 | Shirik | You know what google DOESN'T have that has been asked for by tons of people |
| 07:35.18 | Shirik | a CI server |
| 07:35.40 | Shirik | well I mean I guess THEY have one |
| 07:35.44 | Shirik | but a publically available one |
| 07:35.49 | Fisker- | CI? |
| 07:35.51 | Dagmar | Yeah I was about to say... |
| 07:35.52 | Adys | how about an isp service |
| 07:35.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh (n=Srosh@c210122.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 07:35.56 | Dagmar | Content Integration server |
| 07:35.58 | Shirik | continuous integration, Fisker |
| 07:36.05 | Dagmar | er yeah what shirik said |
| 07:36.06 | Fisker- | one of you fails |
| 07:36.12 | Fisker- | i'm going with Shirik cause i hate him |
| 07:36.15 | Fisker- | awww |
| 07:36.18 | Shirik | awwww |
| 07:36.20 | Shirik | night |
| 07:36.23 | Adys | awwwwwwwwww |
| 07:36.24 | Adys | night |
| 07:36.35 | Fisker- | baaaawwwwwwwww |
| 07:36.36 | Fisker- | night |
| 07:37.08 | Fisker- | now all i need to find out is how to make chrome use another dns server then |
| 07:37.09 | Fisker- | :o |
| 07:37.40 | Adys | why would you do that in chrome? |
| 07:38.14 | Fisker- | so i can get past this opendns stuff |
| 07:38.23 | Adys | what opendns stuff? |
| 07:38.40 | Dagmar | He's been saddled with OpenDNS and it won't let him go to DeviantArt anymore |
| 07:38.54 | Fisker- | i'm getting cockblocked by opendns content filtering |
| 07:39.19 | Fisker- | Site blocked. 4chan.org is not allowed on this network. |
| 07:39.19 | Adys | whats your dns provider? Router or local? |
| 07:39.21 | Dagmar | Fisker-: You could always slap together an apache or squid proxy at home and rout through that |
| 07:39.23 | Fisker- | This site was categorized in: Alcohol, Chat, Humor, P2p/file Sharing, Weapons, Photo Sharing, Adult Themes, Tasteless, Lingerie/bikini, Sexuality, Nudity, Pornography, Forums/message Boards |
| 07:39.24 | Fisker- | lols |
| 07:39.31 | Dagmar | I fail to see how 4chan being blocked is a bad thing |
| 07:39.39 | Adys | so do I |
| 07:39.43 | Fisker- | :( |
| 07:40.03 | Dagmar | The only bad I can see coming of it is if the 4chan people start flocking to some other site and ruin it |
| 07:40.08 | Fisker- | anyways the DNS is setup locally |
| 07:40.16 | Fisker- | so i doubt they have anything setup on the router etc. |
| 07:40.33 | Adys | OS? |
| 07:40.51 | Dagmar | Fisker-: I may regret this but... xroxy.com |
| 07:40.58 | Fisker- | xp :( |
| 07:41.03 | Adys | dunno on xp |
| 07:41.05 | Adys | but er |
| 07:41.08 | Adys | 204.152.204.166 simply |
| 07:41.21 | Adys | if its just one site you're concerned about |
| 07:41.32 | AbsolutRayne | Mmmm Shreddies with Brown Sugar on them |
| 07:41.41 | Dagmar | It's possible they've locked him out of changing his resolver settings through administrative policy, but they seldom think to disable the use of your own proxy server in the browser settings |
| 07:41.59 | Fisker- | Wasn't actually 4chan i wanted to go to :P |
| 07:42.04 | Dagmar | You can point a browser at an open proxy and it'll use _that_ hosts DNS by virtue of the proxy does all hostname resolution |
| 07:42.10 | Fisker- | But looking up IP's for every other domain is kinda fail |
| 07:42.20 | Fisker- | Especially since it'll break as soon as i browse somewhere usually |
| 07:42.32 | Adys | if its content filtering, unless you can only browse google, meh |
| 07:42.38 | Adys | but anyway |
| 07:42.44 | Dagmar | Fisker-: So go to xroxy.com (if it's not blocked) and pick a proxy someone's left open |
| 07:42.46 | Adys | settings -> under the hood -> proxy settings |
| 07:42.53 | Dagmar | Plug that into your browser, OpenDNS bypassed. |
| 07:43.42 | Dagmar | Currently you'd have your choice of 1,495 presumably still open proxies |
| 07:44.44 | Fisker- | http://66.232.102.60/proxy1382413.htm |
| 07:44.50 | Fisker- | tell me the ip of that |
| 07:45.15 | Fisker- | nevermind found it :o |
| 07:45.23 | Dagmar | VonhintenHOME`: It starts with 66 |
| 07:45.29 | Adys | btw Fisker |
| 07:45.32 | Adys | go to about:dns |
| 07:45.34 | Dagmar | shoots auto-complete in the face |
| 07:45.43 | Adys | does it show the site you're trying to access? |
| 07:46.29 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 07:46.39 | Fisker- | and the opendns stuff as well |
| 07:47.02 | Adys | if its just a few sites you may be able to access the ip there |
| 07:47.25 | Fisker- | Gonna try the proxy |
| 07:49.27 | Dagmar | I've managed to wind up listed in xroxy a few times just because of the honeypot I was running |
| 07:49.39 | Adys | (178607ms) images1.wikia.nocookie.net |
| 07:49.42 | Adys | Grats wikia |
| 07:50.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker-_ (i=503f4262@gateway/web/freenode/x-eqfslfopsasadbel) |
| 07:50.11 | Dagmar | Then they fixed it so it actually pulls from somewhere they control so they could tell if they were getting the page they were supposed to instead of <HTML><BODY><H1>bugger off</H1></BODY></HTML> |
| 07:50.30 | Fisker-_ | fail |
| 07:50.43 | Dagmar | Win for them |
| 07:50.57 | Dagmar | It cut down on the number of false-positives I was getting as a result of winding up temporarily being listed |
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| 08:01.43 | Fisker- | yay |
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| 08:02.42 | Fisker- | they thought they could stop me Dagmar |
| 08:03.39 | Dagmar | I suspect they were mainly looking to stop the _really_ bad people. |
| 08:03.52 | Dagmar | OpenDNS will drop a malware site into their block list in a heartbeat |
| 08:03.52 | Fisker- | like me? |
| 08:04.01 | Nechckn | I still wonder why there are no marks for capturing the spires, or at least the GY in Zangarmarsh |
| 08:04.21 | Nechckn | even once per day like the misc crap in Hellfire |
| 08:04.51 | Dagmar | Fisker-: Most admins who aren't rigorous authoritarians don't try too hard to stop _intelligent_ users because a) it's an arms race and they have other things to attend to and b) said users are less likely to click on something stupid |
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| 08:05.22 | Dagmar | The Rule Of Work. Anything that doesn't require the admin to do extra work is probably okay. |
| 08:06.13 | Fisker- | true that |
| 08:06.19 | Fisker- | But there aren't any real admins here ;) |
| 08:06.43 | Fisker- | So i'm pretty sure it's just like "OMG LOL THEY'RE VISTING SOCIAL NETWORKING SITES" |
| 08:07.35 | Dagmar | PCI issues are starting to become bigger problems by far |
| 08:07.47 | Dagmar | ...and I don't mean PCI as in the PCI bus in yer PC> |
| 08:08.38 | Amarande | Dagmar: You mean PCI as in how if you want to take credit cards on your business at all anymore the credit card industry basically gets to decide how you administrate your computers? :P |
| 08:09.38 | Dagmar | Yes, but it's more like the credit card industry requires you to take serious steps to keep the theieves out because otherwise you WILL be the source of the breach that costs people millions. |
| 08:09.55 | Dagmar | The russians are getting seriously ahead in this game right now |
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| 08:10.43 | Adys | jesus Amarande |
| 08:10.48 | Adys | did you just say a line without mentioning wow |
| 08:11.00 | Dagmar | And it almost wasn't a complaint |
| 08:11.14 | Adys | Yeah |
| 08:12.15 | Shadowed | That seemed like a complaint to me |
| 08:12.17 | Shadowed | or maybe being bitter |
| 08:12.22 | Shadowed | do you consider being bitter complaining? |
| 08:12.36 | Dagmar | I consider it to be a reasonable response |
| 08:12.48 | Sentri | external hard drives ftw |
| 08:12.50 | Dagmar | Companies just seem to _despise_ coding serious security measures into their systems. |
| 08:13.01 | Dagmar | ...'cuz it takes time and that means they have to pay developers to do it. |
| 08:13.04 | Sentri | I think I just broke mine, all the school work was there |
| 08:13.12 | Shadowed | Security is overrated |
| 08:13.14 | Shadowed | that's what you add later |
| 08:13.18 | Amarande | Sentri, did you get that name from Ultima? :) |
| 08:13.25 | Dagmar | When, exactly would that be? |
| 08:13.35 | Shadowed | whenever someone realizes you didn't add it |
| 08:13.44 | Shadowed | oddly enough, it usually happens right after... |
| 08:13.44 | Sentri | I got it from my head :P |
| 08:13.46 | krka | Bill, is that you? |
| 08:14.04 | Dagmar | Would it be time when Visa comes back to you and says "Thanks to you not adhereing to PCI guidlines, ten times your sales for the last four years were just stolen from the accounts of everyone you've ever dealt with." |
| 08:14.12 | Dagmar | "...in 24 hours." |
| 08:14.48 | Dagmar | Banks werent' even encrypting ATM transfer info until sometime around 2000 |
| 08:15.03 | Dagmar | They just figured they had a sealed network and it didn't matter. |
| 08:15.15 | Amarande | Dagmar: "Thanks to your overly lax security practices, economists are now estimating the present crisis will not end until approximately ... 2077. Try to live with that, bucko." |
| 08:15.22 | Dagmar | Too right |
| 08:16.10 | Dagmar | What was it, two years ago or so when CNN reported on that massive card breach where all the money was withdrawn from ATMs?... |
| 08:16.28 | Dagmar | Those people _subcontracted out_ to other criminal outfits for the footwork part of it |
| 08:16.49 | Dagmar | They'd hacked the card processors network and actually jacked up the limits on the cards they intended to steal with |
| 08:16.55 | Amarande | The worst security issue I've ever had involving credit cards was the time that RPGnow got hacked and my AmEx card number got sold. |
| 08:17.02 | Lukian | All this talk about Peripheral Component Interconnect (PCI) isn't making sense! :o |
| 08:17.10 | Amarande | But that was only $1,100 or so in Google AdWords and it all got charged back anyway. |
| 08:17.15 | Amarande | It was annoying to have to wait for a new card though :S |
| 08:17.23 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah and now the criminals are skipping that step and attacking the transaction networks directly |
| 08:17.36 | Amarande | still shops at rpgnow, but now uses paypal heh |
| 08:18.07 | Dagmar | ...but there's still small fish hungry enough to go after ecommerce sites that are stupid enough to ignore PCI and keep the credit card transaction information for all their sales forever, in cleartext, on a machine directly connected to the interenet. |
| 08:18.22 | Dagmar | Crap like that is _why_ PCI is so strict |
| 08:18.29 | Lukian | ignore peripheral component interconnect?! |
| 08:18.46 | Amarande | Lukian: *acronyms have multiple meanings* you goof :P |
| 08:18.57 | Dagmar | Lukian: https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/ |
| 08:18.58 | Lukian | yes, and I didn't see anyone define this one |
| 08:19.01 | Dagmar | That people's PCI |
| 08:19.07 | Dagmar | I actually mentioned it at the outset of this |
| 08:19.33 | Dagmar | The irritating thing is that there's _still_ people operating that are hellishly behind |
| 08:19.39 | Amarande | Dagmar: chaos will always conquer logic no matter what we do, pretty much though :S |
| 08:19.43 | Lukian | Lastlog: |
| 08:19.44 | Lukian | 12-14 19:07:38 <Dagmar:#wowuidev> PCI issues are starting to become bigger problems by far |
| 08:19.53 | Lukian | no definition there :p |
| 08:19.56 | Dagmar | I buy from a lot of places online, but I don't buy from anyone who doesn't go the extra step with Verified by Visa a second time |
| 08:20.16 | Lukian | ta :) |
| 08:20.18 | Corrodias | they have to do it TWICE. |
| 08:20.19 | Dagmar | Lukian: So what was the _next_ line I typed? |
| 08:20.21 | Corrodias | or no deal |
| 08:20.28 | Dagmar | Corrodias: Pfftt. |
| 08:20.44 | Lukian | hehe the next line doesn't help either if the only acronym of PCI you know *is* the computer one |
| 08:20.44 | Dagmar | Dude I'm still emailing people to tell them to turn off bloody autocomplete on their forms |
| 08:20.50 | Lukian | the URL does :) |
| 08:21.05 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean how firefox will kindly store your credit card number in plaintext in your form history? :P |
| 08:21.26 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yes, that happens when the person writing the website ignores guidelines set forth back in oh, 1996. |
| 08:21.41 | Amarande | no wonder they're so aggressive about using Google's safe site listings |
| 08:21.50 | Dagmar | Banks as a group said "HELL NO" to online banking sites without a way to turn off caching of form information |
| 08:21.53 | Amarande | otherwise there'd probably be mass exposes on how "Mozilla Failfox lets your credit card get stolen" |
| 08:22.09 | Dagmar | It's not Firefox's fault |
| 08:22.13 | Amarande | and yet, that wasn't what banks had to worry about in the end. |
| 08:22.25 | Amarande | banks had to worry more about their own fuckups in extending credit. :P |
| 08:22.52 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVQtfbhhBJs&feature=related |
| 08:23.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (n=kalroth@0x573f1066.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.hjnqu1.customer.tele.dk) |
| 08:23.46 | Adys | Kalroth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVQtfbhhBJs&feature=related |
| 08:24.53 | Fisker- | The URL for your custom RSS feed updates in real time as you change options and enter character names. When you are satisfied with the options and characters you selected, simply copy and paste the resulting URL into an RSS reader. Online RSS readers include iGoogle, Netvibes, and Pageflakes, to name a few. You can also import RSS feeds into Outlook and other e-mail clients. In addition, clicking the Facebook icon (which appear |
| 08:25.07 | Fisker- | I thought google's RSS reader also put your feeds up for others to view |
| 08:25.08 | Fisker- | :o |
| 08:25.18 | Adys | if you share them, yes |
| 08:26.02 | Fisker- | but they have that list of "popular" feeds etc. |
| 08:26.03 | Kalroth | http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|Les%20passoires%20Shadoks doesn't make sense |
| 08:26.15 | Fisker- | i didn't know they had to be shared |
| 08:26.53 | Adys | Kalroth: it does |
| 08:27.06 | Wobin | http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1946950,00.html |
| 08:27.10 | Dagmar | FOr some reason it shocks people when what they post to the globally accessible internet is actually viewable by other people |
| 08:27.16 | Adys | Kalroth: tempted to add on wikipedia |
| 08:27.53 | Adys | "Collanders in popular culture" |
| 08:28.42 | Fisker- | btw Bibi |
| 08:28.44 | *** join/#wowuidev ReAn (n=rean@d137-186-212-222.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 08:28.54 | Dagmar | Hehe. Still doesn't make sense. |
| 08:29.06 | Adys | Fisker: http://www.google.com/reader/shared/adys.wh |
| 08:29.07 | Adys | ffs |
| 08:29.15 | Adys | the fav feeds are totally retarded |
| 08:29.16 | Wobin | “I like really butch women…the kind of woman who rolls her own tampons.” - Margaret Cho |
| 08:29.32 | Adys | anything remotely related to youtube tends more and more to be retarded |
| 08:30.00 | Adys | fucking look at this thing |
| 08:30.17 | tlund | i am still having problems with wow crashing on win7-64bit, the more addons i have enabled the more likely it is to crash, cant find any specific combo. has anyone else reported this? |
| 08:30.23 | Adys | it spams more youtube activity than my youtube activity profile |
| 08:30.34 | Adys | tlund: check your ram |
| 08:30.40 | Fisker- | http://www.google.com/reader/view/#directory-page/0 <-talking about that one |
| 08:30.52 | Fisker- | That one won't show any feed that's not shared? |
| 08:30.52 | tlund | Adys: my ram is ok. |
| 08:30.59 | tlund | Adys: the problem started with 3.3 |
| 08:31.08 | Adys | tlund: tried repair.exe? |
| 08:31.18 | tlund | Adys: yes. and reinstalled. |
| 08:31.21 | Nechckn | tlund have it running just fine with a whole galle of AddOns |
| 08:31.23 | Amarande | tlund: check your RAM *BETTER* |
| 08:31.25 | Adys | video drivers? |
| 08:31.28 | Sentri | it crashes your wow or your computer? |
| 08:31.31 | Amarande | how long have you been running memtest86+ for when you test? |
| 08:31.31 | Nechckn | maybe video |
| 08:31.33 | Fisker- | tlund is it a freeze rather than a crash? |
| 08:31.34 | tlund | Sentri: just wow. |
| 08:31.38 | tlund | Amarande: 14 hours. |
| 08:31.44 | Amarande | ok, maybe you're in the clear there |
| 08:31.50 | Adys | if the ram is bad you just need 10mins of memtest |
| 08:31.56 | Amarande | Adys: not in my case |
| 08:32.04 | tlund | Fisker-: no, it crashes and pops up the "send to blizzard"-thingie. |
| 08:32.06 | Sentri | critical error or just freeze/crash? |
| 08:32.06 | Adys | you're messed up you dont count |
| 08:32.14 | Amarande | when I had bad RAM back around 2.4, it took nearly 4 hours of memtest before it saw a problem |
| 08:32.14 | tlund | on login, on logout, on /reload and on alt-f4 |
| 08:32.16 | Adys | tlund: when precisely? during loads? |
| 08:32.16 | Adys | kay |
| 08:32.19 | Adys | erm |
| 08:32.27 | Fisker- | What error is it precisely? |
| 08:32.29 | Amarande | memtest, WoW, and possibly Guild Wars were the only things that would ever expose any significant problems ... |
| 08:32.36 | Adys | whats your video card? |
| 08:32.37 | Amarande | and WoW didn't even do it significantly till 2.4 |
| 08:33.02 | Fisker- | btw Bibi talk to meeeeee |
| 08:33.04 | Fisker- | i'm so ronery |
| 08:33.07 | tlund | Fisker-: i forgot to re-share my wow-dir after the reinstall, cant access the errors now, but its random SIGSEGV with completly broken pointers |
| 08:33.27 | tlund | Adys: its a GTX275 with the latest drivers |
| 08:33.42 | tlund | my win7 is patched, virus and malware scanned with multiple tools |
| 08:33.43 | Adys | reinstall drivers? i dont think it'll do any good but.. doesnt hurt trying |
| 08:33.53 | Adys | OH |
| 08:33.54 | Adys | no |
| 08:33.56 | Adys | its permissions |
| 08:34.01 | tlund | no, it is not,. |
| 08:34.22 | Adys | on reload, exit and all that shit wow tries to access savedvariables |
| 08:34.23 | Amarande | tlund: overheating? |
| 08:34.26 | Adys | do you start with the launcher? |
| 08:34.35 | tlund | Amarande: nopes |
| 08:34.44 | tlund | Adys: i start with the launcher, yes |
| 08:34.49 | Adys | its permissions |
| 08:34.49 | tlund | wow is installed under /games |
| 08:35.24 | Adys | did you try yanking WTF/? |
| 08:35.46 | Adys | the launcher has problems since 3.3, it sets messed up perms all around the wow dir |
| 08:35.47 | devZero | tlund: not sure if this info helps, but I run wow 3.3 on Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit without issues. |
| 08:35.51 | tlund | Adys: file permission errors do not cause SIGSEGV tryint to execude code at address 0x03 |
| 08:35.55 | devZero | on an Intel iMac 21" |
| 08:35.57 | Adys | why not? |
| 08:35.57 | tlund | devZero: no, that does not help. |
| 08:36.17 | Adys | seen apps crash because of perms its nothing exclusive |
| 08:36.17 | Sentri | me too |
| 08:36.32 | devZero | tlund: just letting you know it's not the os. Sorry for trying to throw info out there. |
| 08:36.37 | Sentri | random BSODs but they are caused by driver errors I am too lazy to fix |
| 08:36.40 | devZero | walks away |
| 08:36.56 | tlund | i am not having BSOD or any other kind of problems. |
| 08:36.59 | Adys | Sentri: ati? |
| 08:37.09 | tlund | just wow trashing its stack and crashing. |
| 08:37.14 | Sentri | nah it's my sound card |
| 08:37.20 | Adys | aw. |
| 08:37.35 | Sentri | I'm using the drivers win7 has |
| 08:37.58 | Adys | tlund: try to reset the file permissions in the wow dir, recursively |
| 08:38.04 | Adys | yank all the folders you can |
| 08:38.12 | tlund | aaany hoo, all the files in my wow dir (which is outside of "program files") are owned by my account, and my account has "full control" on all files. |
| 08:38.30 | Adys | wow also access shit in %APPDATA% |
| 08:38.38 | tlund | no, it does not |
| 08:38.39 | Adys | delete that stuff |
| 08:38.42 | Adys | yes.. it does |
| 08:38.51 | tlund | not when you install it outside of a writeprotected directory |
| 08:38.54 | tlund | like C:\games\ |
| 08:39.20 | Adys | also sets some stuff in the registery which is also read on reloadui/close |
| 08:39.29 | Codayus | I can't think of any other game which has such recurring headaches with file permissions. :-/ |
| 08:39.38 | Adys | "recurring"? |
| 08:39.40 | Adys | its recent |
| 08:39.43 | Adys | never happened before |
| 08:39.53 | Adys | some idiot threw a tantrum and all of his porn in the launcher |
| 08:40.00 | Sentri | I thought the only registry keys wow had was the ones with the location of the wow.exe |
| 08:40.08 | Amarande | Adys: tlund seems to be right, I just looked at my appdata folder on my machine where WoW is also not installed under Program Files |
| 08:40.17 | Amarande | and the only things under Blizzard Entertainment are a few two-months-old Battle.net things |
| 08:40.29 | Adys | Sentri: also caches some warden stuff |
| 08:40.36 | Codayus | WoW has been having various issues with Vista since day 1. So yes, recurring. Not everyone will have run across every issue, and yeah, these are new. But still. |
| 08:41.49 | Fisker- | just install it in c:\users\public\games already |
| 08:41.53 | Fisker- | never had any issues |
| 08:42.11 | Adys | /home/adys/wow |
| 08:42.14 | Adys | never had any issue |
| 08:42.15 | Adys | \o/ |
| 08:42.17 | Codayus | I had in in c:\games\wow already. |
| 08:42.32 | Codayus | Had it there in XP, and didn't touch it when I reinstalled Vista. |
| 08:42.40 | tlund | Fisker-: thats even the default when you install it today. |
| 08:42.43 | Codayus | WoW threw a fit, and never got reconciled to it. :( |
| 08:43.01 | Codayus | Patchers never ever worked right. EVER. Grr. |
| 08:43.09 | Sentri | Adys: which OS do you have? |
| 08:43.19 | Fisker- | ubuntu |
| 08:43.21 | Fisker- | runs |
| 08:43.32 | Sentri | hmh |
| 08:43.43 | Adys | dont insult me |
| 08:43.55 | Adys | its kubuntu |
| 08:43.58 | Sentri | I have never managed to get good performance on my ubuntu |
| 08:44.10 | Adys | probably using shitty drivers |
| 08:44.14 | Sentri | like 1/5th of the FPS compared to windows |
| 08:44.17 | Adys | the 17x line was pretty bad |
| 08:44.24 | Fisker- | or ATi |
| 08:44.26 | krka | turn off compiz! :P |
| 08:44.26 | Fisker- | KAPOW |
| 08:44.29 | Fisker- | oh snap |
| 08:44.29 | Adys | hahati. |
| 08:44.44 | Adys | meh wow runs fine with compiz now |
| 08:44.49 | Sentri | nvidia graphics card ofc |
| 08:45.01 | krka | compiz kills my framerate, metacity is much nicer |
| 08:45.06 | krka | but ymmv of course |
| 08:45.13 | Adys | they more or less fixed it |
| 08:45.53 | Fisker- | So anyone know if those shards for shadowmourne will be party loot? |
| 08:45.56 | Fisker- | (zomg plx) |
| 08:46.09 | Adys | I could tell you that |
| 08:46.11 | Adys | whats their name |
| 08:46.27 | Fisker- | Shadowfrost Shard |
| 08:46.32 | Fisker- | Bibi found them on the armory |
| 08:46.38 | Fisker- | and they're legendary instead of epic now :E |
| 08:46.56 | Fisker- | so probably not(which will suck) |
| 08:47.42 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50274/ |
| 08:47.58 | Kalroth | Casters had a legendary weapon recently. I don't recall the splinters for it being raid loot. |
| 08:48.03 | Adys | "group_loot": false |
| 08:48.17 | Amarande | Kalroth: you mean "healers" |
| 08:48.20 | Amarande | DPS casters didn't get jack :) |
| 08:48.31 | Adys | he means casters, quit whining |
| 08:48.34 | Kalroth | It was a good mace for shadow priests too |
| 08:48.50 | Amarande | well, yeah, I guess there's a few combos that might end up with it on DPS |
| 08:49.09 | Amarande | resto/ele shaman dual spec, resto/boomkin druid dual spec, shadow/healer priest dual spec, that's about it |
| 08:49.32 | Adys | oh you meant failanyr? |
| 08:49.36 | Amarande | Yeah |
| 08:49.38 | Adys | i thought you were talking about atiesh |
| 08:49.44 | Amarande | Adys: mages and warlocks haven't gotten anything since Atiesh, far as I know :S |
| 08:49.47 | Fisker- | Kalroth i don't recall the legendary weapon requiring several bossfights completed in a specific manner as well as 25 runed orbs to even get it to drop |
| 08:49.50 | Kalroth | Anyways, anyone that thought getting Shadowmourne fragments would be a simple group loot quest needs to have their head examined by Fisker |
| 08:50.08 | Kalroth | (and his spoon) |
| 08:50.30 | Adys | they havent indeed Amarande |
| 08:50.31 | Fisker- | not to mention i don't recall the legendary weapon requiring 10 more items with 2 less bosses |
| 08:50.33 | Adys | but who the hell cares |
| 08:50.37 | Kalroth | Also retardins are last in queue for the axe, warriors + death knights + hunters first |
| 08:50.44 | Fisker- | lol. |
| 08:50.56 | Amarande | um, Kalroth |
| 08:51.01 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure hunters can't use shadowmourne |
| 08:51.09 | Kalroth | Amarande: I'd still give them it over Fisker. |
| 08:51.20 | Fisker- | (FYI: Shadowmourne probably works best for a paladin btw) |
| 08:51.46 | Fisker- | As far as i remember the numbers people were doing on the PTR came to similar conclusions |
| 08:51.49 | Amarande | Kalroth: not to mention the itemization for shadowmourne is totally wrong for a hunter |
| 08:51.51 | Kalroth | (FYI: The vast majority ret paladins still can't find the right entrance) |
| 08:51.56 | Adys | BUT GHOSTCRAWLER SAID |
| 08:51.58 | Amarande | hell, I'd go as far as saying Alanna's Embrace is a better hunter item than Shadowmourne. :) |
| 08:51.59 | Kalroth | of ret* |
| 08:52.10 | Fisker- | s/ret paladins/players/ |
| 08:52.22 | Kalroth | Amarande: The axe could have "RET PALADINS ONLY" on it and I'd still give it to a hunter over Fisker! |
| 08:52.32 | Adys | fisker is getting trolled |
| 08:52.45 | Adys | according to chrome |
| 08:52.50 | Amarande | hmm |
| 08:52.56 | Amarande | I'm going to go out on a limb and assume |
| 08:52.57 | Fisker- | Anyways Kalroth do you recall having to get 25 Runed Orbs, 10 more fragments, 2 less bosskills, and many more "hard" kills to get it? |
| 08:52.59 | Adys | http://sigrie.com/i12345 is the page Ive visited the most this year |
| 08:53.04 | Adys | over gmail |
| 08:53.06 | Adys | thats just scary |
| 08:53.09 | Kalroth | Besides, ret paladins doesn't deserve the axe, their rotation is too easy |
| 08:53.11 | Amarande | that you can't get two Shadowmournes to use with TG on a fury warrior. :D |
| 08:53.56 | Kalroth | Yeah, they're going to have to change that |
| 08:54.05 | Kalroth | Otherwise I can't dick our ret paladin over |
| 08:55.12 | Amarande | you know |
| 08:55.20 | Amarande | cata better be heavy on the caster legendaries |
| 08:55.29 | Amarande | I'm looking at the list of (non-TK) legendaries we've had over the years |
| 08:55.41 | Amarande | and it seems like casters are getting hardly any love compared to physical DPS |
| 08:55.44 | Amarande | hunters are almost as badly off |
| 08:55.58 | Amarande | I say almost because at least Thori'dal is *newer* than Atiesh heh |
| 08:56.41 | Kalroth | no, they're making the game simple in Cataclysm, so we're going back to the old school classes with 1 spec and mana/rage is going away too: warrior (tanking), priest (healing) and mage (dps) |
| 08:56.50 | ZorbaTHut | I almost think they should be kicking legendaries into a slightly more common category |
| 08:57.12 | Fisker- | baww |
| 08:57.20 | Fisker- | the new armor was cool (except for the facebook part) |
| 08:57.22 | Fisker- | armory* |
| 08:57.23 | Amarande | why are the legendaries over the years so biased towards warriors, anyway? |
| 08:57.26 | Kalroth | Why? they've moved the scales entirely now, even Fisker can get epics now |
| 08:57.29 | ZorbaTHut | make sure each class has one long legendary quest in each tier for a weapon (or, for prot warrior/pally, a shield), be done with it |
| 08:57.29 | Fisker- | they shouldn't wait until january |
| 08:57.39 | Amarande | is there some Gygaxian influence continuing to poke its evil head in here? |
| 08:57.47 | Kalroth | Amarande: biased how? |
| 08:57.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@studio.fuzemedia.co.uk) |
| 08:57.51 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, because they want legendaries to be weapons, and because warriors are arguably the most tied to their weapon. |
| 08:57.56 | Amarande | I do remember the late E. Gary Gygax once went on record as saying the fighter was the one true class |
| 08:58.23 | Kalroth | Our first Thunderfury went to a rogue, our first 2H mace went to a warrior though |
| 08:58.25 | Amarande | Kalroth: as of Shadowmourne, and excluding the temporary items from TK, there are/have been eight legendary permanent weapons in the game |
| 08:59.01 | Adys | do you count the warglaives as one or two?! |
| 08:59.03 | Amarande | of which only one has been a ranged weapon, and only two caster weapons. |
| 08:59.10 | Amarande | Adys: there are two, so two |
| 08:59.21 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?quality=8 |
| 08:59.22 | Adys | er |
| 08:59.23 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?quality=6 |
| 08:59.35 | Kalroth | Well personally I don't include the atiesh and the bow, since both were so late in the endgame that very few had it while it mattered |
| 08:59.44 | Adys | erm |
| 08:59.46 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?quality=5 |
| 08:59.48 | Adys | not awake |
| 08:59.55 | Kalroth | killing 4H in retail was limited to very few :p |
| 09:03.40 | Adys | LOL |
| 09:03.40 | Adys | Back to the topic, banning by MAC address or CPU id might be more effective. Like you said, you can always use another box, but I doubt you have over 9000. |
| 09:03.45 | Adys | Yeha |
| 09:03.54 | Adys | banning by CPU id on an internet forum |
| 09:03.56 | Adys | nice going |
| 09:04.25 | Amarande | Adys: and is the MAC of the original sender of a packet even retained as a packet makes its way through the internets? |
| 09:04.30 | Kalroth | "helo plz instal tihs softwares to brows forum" |
| 09:04.37 | Amarande | and even if it is, can anything without root actually SEE it? |
| 09:04.42 | Kalroth | "we need 2 chek ur monittor id" |
| 09:05.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (n=caleb@dsl4E5C0239.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 09:05.06 | Amarande | sadly, otoh, that's the sort of thing that might make people more receptive to the idea of cloud computing |
| 09:05.13 | Amarande | which as we know is an epic disaster waiting to happen |
| 09:05.16 | Kalroth | Well MAC is pretty trivial, since you can tie it to an IP at router level |
| 09:05.33 | Kalroth | (if you got multiple users on the same IP, too bad) |
| 09:05.35 | Amarande | Kalroth: can a forum server see the MAC of the machine sending it packets, though? |
| 09:06.02 | Kalroth | That highly depends on the network its using :) |
| 09:06.04 | Amarande | and even if it can, would lowly things like PHP scripts have access to it? I'd imagine it would be packet header type stuff only root on the webserver could see only using special tools |
| 09:06.39 | Kalroth | PHP certainly wouldn't have access to it, not directly anyways |
| 09:06.51 | Amarande | well, that scotches the ability to ban users that way :) |
| 09:07.08 | Kalroth | No, since you'd just make an access list at router level |
| 09:07.13 | Amarande | somehow, I don't think many webhost admins will cotton very well to "can you pretty please expose sensitive packet header information to us so we can use it to admin our websites?" |
| 09:07.19 | Adys | YOU KNOW WHAT PISSES ME OFF |
| 09:07.20 | Adys | LIKE |
| 09:07.26 | Adys | MORE THAN THE GUYS WRITING ALL IN CAPS |
| 09:07.33 | Amarande | Adys: sunshine, lollipops and rainbows? |
| 09:07.33 | Adys | YOUTUBE. YOUTUBE REALLY PISSES ME OFF. |
| 09:07.34 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 09:07.34 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 10428 minutes |
| 09:07.40 | Kalroth | haha |
| 09:07.43 | Adys | Shiibot pisses me off too |
| 09:08.18 | Kalroth | What about caps on youtube? |
| 09:08.23 | Adys | those i dont mind |
| 09:08.33 | Amarande | Kalroth: you know, come to think of it, isn't Shadowmourne going to suffer from the "too late in the endgame to matter" issue too? |
| 09:08.35 | Kalroth | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/11824375419-starting-areas-i-almost-feel-insulted.html see Fisker, they're tuning starting areas for you |
| 09:09.24 | Kalroth | Amarande: That depends on when Arthas is unlocked and when Cataclysm is being released. |
| 09:09.29 | Amarande | I can't remember how the bosses are partitioned in ICC ... do we need access to the final set of bosses before Shadowmourne can be obtained? |
| 09:09.41 | Amarande | I know one of the quests in the chain is to kill Arthas but that's the one AFTER you get the axe already |
| 09:09.41 | Kalroth | since I don't believe you need to clear the place on heroic in order to complete the quest |
| 09:09.51 | Adys | learning curve alert |
| 09:09.52 | Adys | http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0803/LearningCurve.jpg |
| 09:09.55 | Amarande | Kalroth: you need specific bosses to do the quests in the chain though |
| 09:10.06 | Kalroth | yes, on normal mode |
| 09:10.10 | Kalroth | you can pug those |
| 09:10.20 | Sentri | btw, a quick question: does having RAM in dualchannel increase performance? |
| 09:10.27 | Kalroth | Sentri: Yes, a little |
| 09:10.45 | Fisker- | Kalroth that sucks |
| 09:11.04 | Fisker- | having to troll players with semi-legitimate posts by looking up their account info that is |
| 09:11.26 | Kalroth | Amarande: http://www.wowprogress.com/post/41_Icecrown_Citadel_rankings_discussion |
| 09:12.09 | Fisker- | have anyone tested if you can run through the door when saurfang runs out of it? :P |
| 09:12.29 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-rRf] by Cairenn |
| 09:12.32 | Kalroth | Regardless, if nothing from the Shadowmourne questline requires a heroic kill (which I don't believe it does), then we'll see quite a lot of axes before Cataclysm |
| 09:13.01 | Thunder_Child | Bibi: did you mess up at the bottom of the blue posts in your newest post? |
| 09:13.01 | Kalroth | Compared to eg. Atiesh where we had what? 200 guilds at most |
| 09:13.01 | Cairenn | pokes adys WITH A CAPSLOCK |
| 09:13.13 | Kalroth | You need to poke him harder, he's french |
| 09:13.26 | Amarande | I wonder how many guilds are going to break apart because of Shadowmourne. :) |
| 09:13.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Kazie (n=Kazie@port207.ds1-vg.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 09:13.29 | Adys | HAI CAIRENN HOW R U |
| 09:13.34 | Amarande | Let's put it this way |
| 09:13.38 | Cairenn | heh |
| 09:13.41 | Amarande | at least two of the quests require you to do insanely risky things |
| 09:13.50 | Amarande | In boss fights WITH LIMITED ATTEMPTS according to that list |
| 09:14.03 | Amarande | and by insanely risky we are talking MIGHT POSSIBLY WIPE THE RAID JUST BECAUSE OF YOUR QUEST OBJECTIVE risky. |
| 09:14.24 | Amarande | basically, Shadowmourne means putting your entire raid on the line multiple times just for the sake of a weapon for *you*. |
| 09:14.26 | Kalroth | sure, but the limited attempts will increase quickly :p |
| 09:14.33 | Amarande | in other words, it's the ultimate douchebag's quest line heh |
| 09:14.48 | Kalroth | What do you have to do at the limited bosses? |
| 09:14.57 | Kalroth | limited attempt bosses* |
| 09:15.15 | Amarande | Kalroth: apparently Sindragosa has to breathe on you 4 times, and you have to subject yourself to some kind of frenzied thingamabob from Lana'thel |
| 09:15.33 | Fisker- | Kalroth shadowmourne requires several "gimmick" kills atleast |
| 09:15.38 | Amarande | the first one is stupid amounts of damage each time, while the latter comes with a significant risk of you getting MC'd. |
| 09:15.44 | olafski | so allow only main tanks to get the weapon ;) |
| 09:15.49 | Fisker- | whether or not they're hard-mode for the encounter itself i don't know, but it'll be a challenge to get it regardless |
| 09:15.52 | Amarande | olafski: it's a 2H? |
| 09:15.52 | olafski | (assuming sindragosa breathes on those anyway) |
| 09:15.57 | Amarande | how many main tanks are 2H other than DKs? |
| 09:16.01 | olafski | amarande: exactly ;) |
| 09:16.03 | Kaso | http://images.devshed.com/dh/stories/Dual_Channel/CS.jpg |
| 09:16.04 | Amarande | how many guilds abandoned their warrior MTs for DKs? |
| 09:16.07 | Fisker- | I suspect that we'll see 1 shadowmourne per guild if we're lucky |
| 09:16.17 | Fisker- | before cataclysm that is |
| 09:16.35 | Kalroth | We're talking about a normal mode encounter. Look at normal mode encounters in ToC today. |
| 09:16.46 | Fisker- | Maybe 2 for the luckiest and most hardcore of the bunch |
| 09:16.55 | olafski | yeah I suspect the limited attempts won't be much of an issue on normal |
| 09:17.11 | Kalroth | The fragment drop rate will be the limiting factor |
| 09:17.21 | Amarande | Kalroth: and the "so late in the endgame that there won't be much time for it to matter" |
| 09:17.25 | olafski | hum I'm getting disconnected after 10 seconds in :< |
| 09:17.44 | olafski | well shadowmourne will be a nice leveling weapon ;) |
| 09:17.51 | Kalroth | Amarande: Again, that depends on how they release the rest of the bosses |
| 09:18.47 | Fisker- | Anyways i think their method of releasing this epic is stupid |
| 09:19.04 | Kalroth | A lot of their legendary weapons were stupid |
| 09:19.07 | Fisker- | Stupid being "something i disagree with" |
| 09:19.19 | Kalroth | Good ones: MC and BT. Bad ones: Naxx and Sunwell. |
| 09:19.47 | Fisker- | I like Shadowmourne's way of doing it |
| 09:19.52 | Fisker- | If only the shards were group loot |
| 09:19.56 | Fisker- | Or atleast there were less required |
| 09:20.12 | Kalroth | and I don't know about Shadowmourne yet, I'm afraid that Amarande is right though. That it'll be too late to be of any use. |
| 09:20.45 | Amarande | Yeah ... WotLK is already getting long in the tooth |
| 09:20.46 | Fisker- | Because 1. The designated "legendary looter" gets an epic to begin with, 2. It's not as much "mad luck" aspect because of the fragments, 3. it's a cool questline that requires you to do stuff |
| 09:21.12 | Amarande | maybe not so much to us, but I'm sure the dull roar is starting to rise among the Blizzard execs regarding "shouldn't we get cata out soon for another big infusion of money" |
| 09:21.37 | Kalroth | Naw, they don't want to milk their cow too much |
| 09:21.49 | Sentri | I hope cata won't come out before july |
| 09:21.57 | Fisker- | i think it will |
| 09:22.03 | Amarande | otoh, we could end up not seeing cata till next winter |
| 09:22.14 | Fisker- | Cataclysm will come spring/early summer and SC2 will come late summer/fall |
| 09:22.18 | Kalroth | naw, late Q2 or early Q3 at worst |
| 09:22.25 | Shadowed | what |
| 09:22.26 | Amarande | if Blizzard wants to make sure they have a killer app for a 4Q Christmas holiday cash infusion |
| 09:22.29 | Amarande | you know how businesses are |
| 09:22.36 | Amarande | they act like 4Q is the be all and end all of the year |
| 09:22.48 | Amarande | if you believe business types, more people get luxuries as gifts than buy them for themselves |
| 09:22.51 | Shadowed | how the hell do you think it'll come out in summer |
| 09:22.54 | Amarande | (and I can hardly believe that can possibly be true :S) |
| 09:23.02 | Sentri | because I have to go to military service or whatever it is called in english for six months starting in january |
| 09:23.15 | Shadowed | Directed at Fisker |
| 09:23.16 | Fisker- | your mother Shadowed |
| 09:23.19 | Shadowed | I assume it's Fisker being Fisker- |
| 09:23.23 | Fisker- | (directed at Shadowed) |
| 09:23.24 | Amarande | Shadowed: well, a summer release DOES help them attract all the college student players who will be more interested in getting it since they'll be out of school for a few months |
| 09:23.29 | Shadowed | yes |
| 09:23.31 | Shadowed | but it's also insane |
| 09:23.52 | Kalroth | finds a monkey cage. |
| 09:23.54 | Amarande | so |
| 09:24.03 | Kalroth | throws a ret paladin banana inside it. |
| 09:24.07 | Amarande | is buying luxuries for oneself in fact the exception to the rule, as the 4Q obsession businesses have suggests? |
| 09:24.09 | Fisker- | If theyr'e going to run 3.3 for 7-9 months then lol. |
| 09:24.15 | Sentri | do you remember back before wotlk around the time of sunwell what did blizz say about wotlk release date? |
| 09:24.17 | Amarande | or are gifts actually not as common as CEOs think they are? |
| 09:24.24 | Shadowed | how long was WoTLK in alpha/beta again? |
| 09:24.36 | Kalroth | Fisker: They aren't, but we'll see 4.0 after 4-5 months |
| 09:24.47 | Kalroth | and then Cataclysm 1-2 months later |
| 09:25.09 | Fisker- | Still puts it's at late summer |
| 09:25.10 | Amarande | basically, get all the professions you care about to 300 before then. :) |
| 09:25.13 | Fisker- | which according to Shadowed is "insane" |
| 09:25.33 | Kalroth | well lets see :p |
| 09:25.36 | olafski | there are people who don't have all professions at 300 yet? |
| 09:25.37 | Shadowed | There's a bit of a difference between content patch 4.0 and actual 4.0 |
| 09:25.44 | Amarande | because I have a feeling with the likely losses of old world real estate to cata stuff |
| 09:25.45 | Fisker- | btw Shadowed WotLK had to be pushed back which is the only reason why the alpha and beta lasted that long |
| 09:25.49 | Kalroth | They can't stretch 3.3 for too long, people will wander off |
| 09:25.55 | Amarande | mats, especially high end azeroth mats (because of the loss of Azshara in particular) |
| 09:26.02 | Kalroth | And they already have done a lot of 4.0 work |
| 09:26.10 | Fisker- | well 3.4 = all dungeons drop epics |
| 09:26.10 | Amarande | will become rarer and stupidly expensive |
| 09:26.13 | Fisker- | win :P |
| 09:26.21 | Sentri | sunwell was 25th march and wotlk was 13th november |
| 09:26.29 | Amarande | and given that the ah market on Turalyon Horde is already out of control half the time ... |
| 09:26.40 | Kalroth | Sentri: Aye and when was 3.0 released? |
| 09:26.48 | Shadowed | Oct 15th |
| 09:26.52 | Amarande | when I was grinding BS on my hunter I think mithril was going to like 5g a bar |
| 09:27.02 | Kalroth | So about a month before wotlk |
| 09:27.04 | Amarande | oh, guess what the primary ore in azshara is if I remember? |
| 09:27.06 | Sentri | yep |
| 09:27.06 | Amarande | MITHRIL. |
| 09:27.16 | Amarande | shudders to think what's going to become of the price of mithril after cata. |
| 09:27.17 | Shadowed | From the sounds of it, everything in ICC won't be fully unlocked till late March |
| 09:27.28 | Amarande | it's a good thing I won't need any more mithril again now. |
| 09:27.33 | olafski | overthinking it tbh amarande :P |
| 09:27.33 | Kalroth | They said that they would speed things up |
| 09:27.43 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 09:27.43 | Amarande | on a less major point |
| 09:27.45 | olafski | there are plenty of other places to farm mithril |
| 09:27.50 | Fisker- | The first gate was only due to christmas apparently |
| 09:27.50 | Amarande | I'm curious as to what's going to become of the Deepdive Helmet in Cata |
| 09:27.51 | Shadowed | Well, 4 wings + king? |
| 09:27.57 | Sentri | wowwiki about wotlk beta: "beta began on July 17th" |
| 09:27.59 | olafski | and azshara isn't a good place to do it anyway imo |
| 09:28.02 | Amarande | because you currently can only buy it from that guy in the south part of azshara |
| 09:28.06 | Kalroth | Yeah, next couple of wings will be released faster |
| 09:28.13 | Amarande | will it become a removed from the game recipe, or do you think it will move to eng trainers? |
| 09:28.15 | olafski | amarande: they'll move it to another vendor, add it to trainers, etc :P |
| 09:28.16 | Kalroth | they're only doing 1 boss per week because of christmas |
| 09:28.36 | Amarande | olafski: think the blue recipe from the cliff giants will be added to trainers too, or is that more likely to vanish? |
| 09:28.38 | olafski | not like it's a very important recipe |
| 09:28.53 | Shadowed | If you want to say, 20, 15, 10 for the next 3 wings that puts you at start of feb |
| 09:28.55 | Fisker- | Anyways i'm totally happy that my raid officers decided to say "Fuck ICC25 this week, we only had 5 healers signed!" |
| 09:28.58 | olafski | which one is that amarande? |
| 09:28.59 | Fisker- | gg :( |
| 09:28.59 | Amarande | also the recipe that comes from the elemental invasion elite that goes to azshara |
| 09:29.09 | Shadowed | late jan actually but |
| 09:29.15 | olafski | they can remove most of that shit without any trouble I'd say |
| 09:29.23 | batrick | wooooo i found the first word~!~ |
| 09:29.23 | Grum | Fisker-: respeccing is completely impossible ofc ;( |
| 09:29.31 | Fisker- | indeed Grum |
| 09:29.42 | Cairenn | batrick: heh |
| 09:29.48 | Fisker- | We actually have 4 decent healer alts/specs on our DPS |
| 09:29.51 | olafski | I heard ret paladins can respec to healing |
| 09:29.53 | batrick | i r detective |
| 09:29.55 | Amarande | olafski: blue dragonscale shoulders |
| 09:30.01 | Fisker- | So find 2-3 random dps |
| 09:30.07 | Fisker- | that's going to be fucking hard! |
| 09:30.13 | Shadowed | Person who asked how they could get into the "special authors" area made me /headdesk |
| 09:30.14 | olafski | amarande: well, they can either just go or be moved, I doubt it matters |
| 09:30.21 | Grum | Fisker-: get some more people into the guild? |
| 09:30.25 | Grum | what kind of tight roster do you raid with? :D |
| 09:30.29 | Amarande | olafski: crafting completists hate it when recipes were removed |
| 09:30.32 | olafski | tight rosters rock :D |
| 09:30.35 | Fisker- | It's christmas |
| 09:30.38 | Amarande | *real* crafting completists still QQ about the naxx40 recipes that are gone now |
| 09:30.40 | Grum | yes, but not 25 people tight |
| 09:30.45 | Grum | ~32 is okish |
| 09:30.48 | purl | okay, Grum |
| 09:30.48 | Grum | 30-32 |
| 09:30.54 | olafski | amarande: meh.. stuff you can't do anything about is serious qq |
| 09:30.57 | Fisker- | That's around what we have Grum |
| 09:31.02 | Fisker- | Well we have a lot more |
| 09:31.06 | Fisker- | but 30ish raiders |
| 09:31.07 | olafski | we had 43 in the guild in vanilla grum ;) |
| 09:31.11 | Grum | then get people with better attendance ;) |
| 09:31.15 | olafski | one of whom was a second account our GM used to check the world dragons |
| 09:31.17 | Grum | olafski: pfft :P |
| 09:31.19 | Kalroth | Fisker-: so grab some pug healers, it's friggin normal mdoe |
| 09:31.20 | Kalroth | mode* |
| 09:31.25 | Fisker- | Again bad planning Grum |
| 09:31.27 | Grum | i dislike small guilds |
| 09:31.39 | olafski | I like em.. my current guild has 4-5 active people |
| 09:31.41 | Grum | there is no reason to not have ~250 people in the guild but only have ~30-32 raiders :) |
| 09:31.42 | Fisker- | First of all raids during weekends @ christmas = lol |
| 09:31.56 | Fisker- | Second of all they didn't believe ICC would be out before january |
| 09:32.09 | Grum | its not like the content is even remotely challenging atm |
| 09:32.15 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 09:32.18 | Kalroth | Grum: yeah, we got something like 130 accounts and a roster of 33-34 raiders |
| 09:32.19 | Grum | we cleared it with scrub alts O.o |
| 09:32.23 | olafski | how many people would it take to farm trash on icc10? |
| 09:32.23 | Amarande | I wonder what's going to become of small guilds when cata hits |
| 09:32.33 | Amarande | and has all those guild levels and perks and such |
| 09:32.35 | Fisker- | We had a nice bug in ICC25 rep farm though Grum |
| 09:32.39 | Grum | Amarande: they will just exist? :) |
| 09:32.44 | olafski | they will get them less quickly :P |
| 09:32.50 | Grum | why? |
| 09:32.51 | Fisker- | The first pack of servants, spiders and soldiers added 3 other packs at pull |
| 09:32.55 | ZorbaTHut | personally I still strongly wish Blizz would permit people to join multiple guilds |
| 09:32.55 | Grum | 10m content is quite viable atm |
| 09:32.57 | Fisker- | that sucked |
| 09:32.58 | Amarande | will there be a mass exodus of people from small guilds into big guilds in order to get the perks? |
| 09:33.04 | olafski | grum: oh, you're talking 10man guilds |
| 09:33.08 | olafski | I was talking my guild's size ;) |
| 09:33.12 | Fisker- | You only need a 20-man guild Amarande |
| 09:33.19 | olafski | I think the top 10 people from a guild contribute to the xp or something? |
| 09:33.20 | Fisker- | I think even a 10-man raiding guild would manage |
| 09:33.26 | Fisker- | top-20 olafski |
| 09:33.27 | Grum | or just make an alliance with another 2-3 5m guilds :) |
| 09:33.29 | olafski | and it's not like those perks will be game breaking |
| 09:33.37 | Kalroth | what about my 5 man normal mode guild fisker???? |
| 09:33.40 | olafski | less repair cost and stuff like that from what I saw |
| 09:33.42 | Grum | euuuh |
| 09:33.46 | Amarande | also: do those 20 players have to all be at max level for anything to count, or does anything anyone does count (up to the 20 player thing)? |
| 09:33.49 | Grum | dont forget you dont *have* to use the guild shit |
| 09:33.55 | olafski | exactly |
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| 09:33.57 | Grum | its not mandatory for progress |
| 09:34.01 | Fisker- | Since experience gain counts i doubt it |
| 09:34.03 | Grum | its just *all* nice to have, nothing need to have |
| 09:34.20 | Dezzimal | am I silly for writing a conditional where k could be nil as |
| 09:34.21 | Amarande | wonders how long before guilds who choose to use the guild tax feature will get reviled and avoided for it :) |
| 09:34.22 | olafski | I hope to stay in my tiny guild but I'm not sure the others will consider it that way |
| 09:34.25 | Dezzimal | if k and k > 4000 then |
| 09:34.41 | olafski | there's a guild tax feature? |
| 09:34.43 | Dezzimal | or is that proper |
| 09:34.45 | Grum | print( "ITS OVER FOAR THAOUZANT" ) |
| 09:34.48 | Fisker- | I actually like the new guild features |
| 09:34.48 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.51 | Amarande | olafski: yeah, there is, from what I read anyway |
| 09:34.56 | Dezzimal | just looks odd to me |
| 09:34.56 | olafski | haha |
| 09:34.56 | Fisker- | Less backstabbing i think |
| 09:35.01 | olafski | yeah I think they will be avoided :P |
| 09:35.04 | ZorbaTHut | ugh, why am I getting so many heisenbugs in lua of all things |
| 09:35.04 | Amarande | there's a feature that lets you make X% of all gold your guild members loot go automatically to the gbank |
| 09:35.11 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 09:35.17 | olafski | ohh |
| 09:35.18 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, oh man, I already know how this is going to be abused |
| 09:35.18 | Dezzimal | I would figure that comparing anything with nil would always return false |
| 09:35.18 | Adys | Dezzimal: if you want, you can do k = k or 0; if k < 4000 ... |
| 09:35.19 | olafski | no that's not it |
| 09:35.23 | Grum | Dezzimal: why? if you dont want nil values just make sure you dont have em |
| 09:35.28 | ZorbaTHut | "mandatory raiding, 100% tax!" |
| 09:35.31 | Grum | as Adys just said hehe |
| 09:35.34 | Amarande | Zorba: I was thinking more |
| 09:35.34 | Fisker- | naw ZorbaTHut |
| 09:35.36 | olafski | I think they meant it as extra gold amarande |
| 09:35.41 | Amarande | "paying 5g for guild signatures!" |
| 09:35.41 | Fisker- | it's a guild "talent" |
| 09:35.45 | Amarande | and then people would get the guild made |
| 09:35.45 | Adys | it doesnt matter anyway |
| 09:35.48 | Amarande | set the guild tax feature on |
| 09:35.48 | olafski | as in if you loot X gold, a 5% bonus goes to the guild bank for being in a guild |
| 09:35.54 | Grum | which is nice |
| 09:35.57 | Adys | since binary ops are only checked once |
| 09:35.59 | ZorbaTHut | ah, extra gold makes more sense |
| 09:36.01 | Amarande | and then rely on people forgetting to leave the guild after formation to siphon money off them |
| 09:36.01 | Fisker- | And as olafski says i think it'll give you x% of what you loot, not take it and stash it in the guild bank |
| 09:36.05 | Fisker- | indeed olafski |
| 09:36.10 | Grum | but then again, any raiding guild can easily get 100-200k in the bank while providing full repairs |
| 09:36.14 | olafski | that's how I understood it |
| 09:36.15 | ZorbaTHut | I remember watching people abuse the tax feature in Eve to try to get their members to follow their orders |
| 09:36.16 | ZorbaTHut | never worked |
| 09:36.24 | Kalroth | haha |
| 09:36.36 | Kalroth | tax part is silly, sell items from raids, problem solved |
| 09:36.41 | Grum | yup |
| 09:36.45 | Grum | easy money :P |
| 09:36.46 | Amarande | also |
| 09:36.52 | Kalroth | we kept all BoE drops and sold it way, way underpriced for alts |
| 09:36.52 | Amarande | tell me one of the guild features will NOT be |
| 09:37.12 | Grum | Kalroth: the alts can buy it for 70% of the price |
| 09:37.12 | Amarande | "direct control of raid members' ability to loot based on whether they are in the guild/guild rank" |
| 09:37.13 | Grum | else they can just suck it :P |
| 09:37.25 | Kalroth | we had a set price on BoE drops, was something like 200-250 gold |
| 09:37.31 | Grum | lol |
| 09:37.32 | Fisker- | master looter Amarande |
| 09:37.35 | olafski | yeah |
| 09:37.37 | Fisker- | that feature would be totally useless |
| 09:37.38 | olafski | I don't see the problem :P |
| 09:37.46 | Grum | and no alt bought something for 200g and then auctioned it for 7000g? :D |
| 09:37.52 | Fisker- | btw |
| 09:38.04 | Fisker- | WTB Battered Hilt so i can replace my shitty rogue's mainhand :( |
| 09:38.09 | olafski | same |
| 09:38.14 | olafski | I'm going to try farming trash tonight |
| 09:38.15 | Kalroth | Grum: They'd be without a guild tag if they did so |
| 09:38.16 | Fisker- | s/shitty rogue's/rogue's shitty/ |
| 09:38.17 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 09:38.26 | Kalroth | Grum: So none that I discovered. :) |
| 09:38.31 | Amarande | Kalroth: how do you deal with the alt who buys something |
| 09:38.38 | Amarande | and then mails it to their unguilded bank alt for resale? |
| 09:38.39 | Fisker- | That's also going to be nice Grum |
| 09:38.40 | Grum | we have 5-6 10m alt-runs and 2-3 25m atm O.o |
| 09:38.43 | Fisker- | guild recipes |
| 09:38.44 | Grum | its quite sick |
| 09:38.47 | Amarande | or do you armory them to make sure they use the item? |
| 09:39.07 | Kalroth | Amarande: Like I said, I'd remove them from the guild. But it's all about trust, I don't expect anyone from the roster to be that dumb. |
| 09:39.15 | Amarande | Fisker: which basically forces people to treat their guild like it's the frickin company they work for IRL, though, if I understand |
| 09:39.21 | Amarande | because with the guild crafting and guild items and such |
| 09:39.29 | Fisker- | Well some day someone will say "Hey <alt> can you make this <recipe> for me that you bought" |
| 09:39.31 | Adys | +1 Kalroth |
| 09:39.35 | Fisker- | <alt> says: hurrr |
| 09:39.36 | Amarande | it seems as if anyone gkicked/gquit from some guilds stands a good chance of being half naked |
| 09:39.41 | Adys | you don't just buy something to resell it |
| 09:39.43 | Fisker- | <alt> is removed from the guild. |
| 09:39.58 | olafski | amarande: you're really trying to find issues with this expansion aren't you :P |
| 09:39.59 | Kalroth | <Amarande> Fisker: which basically forces people to treat their guild like it's the frickin company they work for IRL <-- welcome to the life as an officer |
| 09:40.03 | Fisker- | ICC Grum ? |
| 09:40.04 | Adys | usually dbags get kicked before they get to act like dbags. |
| 09:40.11 | Grum | Fisker-: yeah |
| 09:40.16 | Amarande | Adys: one word, 'Quel'dorei' |
| 09:40.19 | Fisker- | :( |
| 09:40.24 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I suspect it'll be limited to a relatively small number of slots |
| 09:40.26 | Kalroth | Adys: I'd consider it a small price to find and remove a douche :p |
| 09:40.30 | ZorbaTHut | similar to heirlooms |
| 09:40.35 | Amarande | the top alliance GM on Quel'dorei acts like he owns the server |
| 09:40.41 | Grum | ICC now and togc before (1-2 groups doing 10m heroic togc as well) |
| 09:40.42 | Fisker- | Oh and for gods sake fix the guild ui bug with 500+ guild members |
| 09:40.43 | Fisker- | Also |
| 09:40.47 | Fisker- | Alt-linking |
| 09:40.48 | Fisker- | do it. |
| 09:40.49 | Amarande | I took special pleasure at ninja'ing his adamantite nodes whenever I saw him |
| 09:40.52 | Kalroth | same with raid loot, we always run with FFA - if some trialist should ninja it all, well then his trial is over, simple as that |
| 09:40.53 | Amarande | (I played horde on QD for a while) |
| 09:41.06 | Adys | Kalroth: i dunno about you i rather waste 2000 gold to ruin someone's life than kick him and not be able to prove anything =P |
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| 09:41.14 | Grum | Kalroth: we just use ML and the ML just takes all items |
| 09:41.24 | Grum | easy enough :D |
| 09:41.31 | Kalroth | I still don't trust ML :p |
| 09:41.41 | Grum | why not? |
| 09:41.55 | Sentri | we use ML and I also trust our ML |
| 09:42.01 | Kalroth | It was buggy in the beginning and for encounters like Vashj and Kael'thas it sucked |
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| 09:42.12 | Grum | oh yeah |
| 09:42.12 | Kalroth | At least they fixed it for Mimiron |
| 09:42.18 | Grum | but now with BoP trading, /care |
| 09:42.34 | Grum | and if someone is still excluded ... ticket and done :) |
| 09:42.36 | Kalroth | We register loot by it's looter for our attendance system :p |
| 09:42.40 | Fisker- | All loot systems could use an overhaul |
| 09:42.52 | olafski | uh oh |
| 09:42.56 | olafski | anyone have blizzard's EU support number? |
| 09:42.59 | Amarande | Kalroth: wait, you get credit for attending a raid based on whether you got loot from it? :) |
| 09:43.06 | Fisker- | olafski what country? |
| 09:43.09 | olafski | bleh I can't call them from a mobile phone I bet |
| 09:43.11 | olafski | NL |
| 09:43.15 | Kalroth | Amarande: No, we just keep track of how much loot a player has recieved |
| 09:43.17 | olafski | I think I got haxed :$ |
| 09:43.23 | Grum | olafski: why not? O.o |
| 09:43.26 | Amarande | olafski: did you buy the authenticator? |
| 09:43.38 | olafski | nope :$ |
| 09:43.39 | Fisker- | 0800 0203479 |
| 09:43.40 | Grum | and you got haxed? ... lalolal;( |
| 09:43.54 | Fisker- | not sure they're open yet |
| 09:43.54 | Amarande | olafski: how many times has this channel gone on about how people should buy the authenticator? |
| 09:44.09 | Fisker- | actually they opened 15 minutes ago |
| 09:44.14 | Grum | even with authenticator you can get hacked |
| 09:44.16 | batrick | i haven't bought one and don't plan too |
| 09:44.22 | batrick | still haven't been hacked :) |
| 09:44.24 | Grum | batrick: why not? |
| 09:44.29 | olafski | just logged in and saw a char I didn't recognise :< |
| 09:44.36 | Fisker- | Pretty damn hard Grum |
| 09:44.46 | batrick | because i surely doubt any keyloggers will find me |
| 09:44.46 | Sentri | the mobile one could be nice but I don't know how reliable it is |
| 09:44.56 | Dezzimal | as reliable as the others |
| 09:45.01 | Sentri | well |
| 09:45.03 | batrick | plus i doubt it works on linux |
| 09:45.06 | Sentri | I know it is reliable |
| 09:45.12 | Grum | Fisker-: not really |
| 09:45.15 | Sentri | but I dunno if my phone is |
| 09:45.23 | Fisker- | the authenticator works on linux, unless you're talking about the keyloggers :P |
| 09:45.23 | Dezzimal | jailbroken? |
| 09:45.29 | Sentri | if my phone just goes tilt one day I can't log in |
| 09:45.37 | Grum | just get the authenticator which is a tiny keychain thingie |
| 09:45.39 | Grum | works perfect |
| 09:45.44 | Fisker- | btw you can even just get a java emulator and run that |
| 09:45.49 | Fisker- | one for phones in particular |
| 09:45.50 | Amarande | you can get authenticator via your cell phone? |
| 09:45.53 | Grum | yes |
| 09:45.58 | Adys | my acc got hacked a while ago, yet I'm on linux |
| 09:46.00 | Adys | but |
| 09:46.02 | Amarande | Grum: do you need a specific cell phone company for that? |
| 09:46.04 | Sentri | then I forget it somewhere and can't log in again :P |
| 09:46.10 | Adys | I think its more because I'm sharing it with 4-5 other windows users. :p |
| 09:46.15 | Grum | Amarande: no, just a modern phone capable of running apps |
| 09:46.26 | Fisker- | ooh reportable |
| 09:46.38 | Sentri | http://www.wowwiki.com/Battle.net_Mobile_Authenticator#Avaliable_Devices |
| 09:46.39 | Fisker- | well their supported phones list suck Grum |
| 09:46.40 | Grum | Adys: dont forget they can also simply bruteforce your account |
| 09:46.49 | Grum | Fisker-: keychain > * |
| 09:46.50 | Fisker- | they can't |
| 09:46.56 | Grum | Fisker-: they can |
| 09:46.57 | Fisker- | account gets locked after some attempts |
| 09:47.01 | Grum | yes, then try later |
| 09:47.03 | Grum | doesnt have to be fast |
| 09:47.05 | Dezzimal | "simply" "brutforce" |
| 09:47.12 | Adys | i doubt they can bruteforce f19a#1ee5ql |
| 09:47.14 | batrick | ah droid isn't listed for mobile authenticators :( |
| 09:47.16 | Adys | .. oops |
| 09:47.24 | Grum | you'd be surprised you many people have dictionary passwords :D |
| 09:47.26 | Arrowmaster | droid would never be listed |
| 09:47.26 | Fisker- | Ok Grum sometime in the a 5-digit year they can get your password |
| 09:47.28 | Fisker- | hurr hur |
| 09:47.29 | Fisker- | hurr |
| 09:47.36 | batrick | Arrowmaster: why's that? |
| 09:47.39 | olafski | oh my login still works.. do I even have to call blizzard? |
| 09:47.46 | Sentri | my password is just random characters and digits mixed |
| 09:47.51 | Arrowmaster | because its an android |
| 09:47.53 | Grum | olafski: change your password, get an authenticator |
| 09:47.56 | Adys | and uh |
| 09:47.57 | Adys | just a fyi |
| 09:47.59 | Fisker- | naw olafski preferably you should use the webform if you don't have access |
| 09:47.59 | Grum | and get some screenshots of your gear+money =) |
| 09:48.03 | Adys | you cant bruteforce a wow password |
| 09:48.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Thrae (n=ircuser@generalmx-1-pt.tunnel.tserv13.ash1.ipv6.he.net) |
| 09:48.05 | batrick | that's not a reason |
| 09:48.12 | Grum | Adys: you can, it will just take reaalllly long |
| 09:48.14 | Fisker- | if you do have access you should make sure you're not compromised anymore and change your passwords |
| 09:48.14 | Adys | you dont need screenshots |
| 09:48.16 | Adys | they have logs |
| 09:48.19 | Adys | Grum: ... |
| 09:48.26 | Adys | dont be an idiot |
| 09:48.30 | olafski | yeah I'll try to change the password ;p |
| 09:48.34 | Adys | they close accounts when theres suspect activity like that |
| 09:48.35 | Kalroth | 99.9% of all account hacks are from a trojan (or a friend/wife with a trojan) |
| 09:48.39 | Fisker- | lol i bruteforce u |
| 09:48.41 | Grum | so you think there are no dictionary attacks being done on known accounts? |
| 09:48.42 | Arrowmaster | if they supported it, they would simple have an authenticator app for android, not specifically for the droid phone |
| 09:48.56 | Fisker- | you can't have passwords with non-special characters |
| 09:49.04 | Amarande | wtg blizzard, apparently there isn't an authenticator app for the LG Incite :| |
| 09:49.09 | Fisker- | so even if they did have dictionary attacks they'd have to do special-character variants |
| 09:49.13 | Grum | keychain > app |
| 09:49.17 | Grum | your phone is not quite safe :) |
| 09:49.18 | Amarande | I'm being punished for not springing for an iphone, aren't I :| |
| 09:49.32 | Fisker- | Amarande pretty much any modern phone can run it |
| 09:49.35 | olafski | what's with that "unable to validate game version" btw? |
| 09:49.38 | olafski | that sounds like a hack :P |
| 09:49.39 | Fisker- | THe only thing is their supported list sucks |
| 09:49.39 | Sentri | Grum: agreed but still I worry about it getting lost |
| 09:49.46 | Grum | olafski: i guess an old auth-server orso |
| 09:49.49 | Amarande | olafski: that sounds like your WoW installer is corrupted, or you have spyware |
| 09:49.49 | olafski | hm |
| 09:49.56 | Grum | Sentri: i tied it to my screen :) |
| 09:49.57 | Fisker- | And you have to hack a bit to get it downloaded(They even check your user agent to make sure you have a supported device, etc) |
| 09:49.59 | olafski | I get it after typing in my password on the login screen |
| 09:50.03 | Amarande | olafski: the last time I saw that error was on the family PC downstairs a while back |
| 09:50.08 | Adys | Amarande: you know what spyware is? |
| 09:50.08 | Grum | olafski: yeah its known, just log in again |
| 09:50.10 | Grum | and it works |
| 09:50.11 | Sentri | olafski: I ´have got it several times after 3.3 |
| 09:50.13 | Adys | because it doesnt "corrupt the wow version" |
| 09:50.14 | Amarande | eventually ran spybot on it, and the machine was infected with 245 distinct and separate pieces of spyware |
| 09:50.24 | Amarande | Adys: when the machine was infected with spyware, WoW wouldn't patch on it |
| 09:50.29 | Amarande | when it was disinfected, WoW worked fine |
| 09:50.30 | Sentri | Grum: what if I want to play at my friend's place :P |
| 09:50.32 | Grum | 'spyware' ... lots of that is 'tracking cookies' lal :P |
| 09:50.35 | Fisker- | Yeah i get the "unable to validate game version" every now and again |
| 09:50.36 | Grum | Sentri: take it with you? |
| 09:50.43 | Grum | put it on your keychain? with your keys? ;D |
| 09:50.45 | Amarande | apparently my brother likes to browse teh pron |
| 09:50.48 | Sentri | :P |
| 09:50.49 | olafski | fine I'll order an authenticator :$ |
| 09:50.52 | Sentri | I maybe should |
| 09:50.57 | Amarande | this is why said brother is denied access to my personal PC, heh |
| 09:50.58 | Grum | Amarande: brother..haha ;) |
| 09:51.02 | Sentri | I wonder how long it takes to ship here |
| 09:51.10 | Kalroth | what's wrong with browsing porn?! |
| 09:51.23 | Kaso | I get the "unable to validate game version" thing too, usually goes away on second login attempt, i put it down to being on wine, but who knows |
| 09:51.24 | Grum | took me 4-5 days orso |
| 09:51.26 | Amarande | Grum: yeah this was the family PC downstairs, I basically don't use it at all unless I'm troubleshooting or installing something for the folks |
| 09:51.34 | Amarande | Kalroth: it tends to get annoying shit installed on your PC |
| 09:51.36 | Kalroth | it's not like you're going to get infected with a wow keylogging trojan while browsing naked men |
| 09:51.56 | Kalroth | well only if he downloads firemen.exe |
| 09:51.59 | Amarande | some of which mucks with system processes and can apparently have results such as preventing WoW from patching properly |
| 09:52.06 | Arrowmaster | i have the same problem with my dads pc, ive just given up on trying to keep it clean |
| 09:52.08 | Amarande | as I found out when troubleshooting the family PC a while back. |
| 09:52.59 | Arrowmaster | ive even blocked his computer from accessing port 25 on any system via the router |
| 09:53.11 | Kalroth | Last when I cleaned my moms computer, I spent like 2 hours removing shit because she's so gullible, she clicks all "OH NOZ UR COMPUTAR GOTS VIRUS, INSTALL THIS PLZ" |
| 09:53.21 | olafski | haha my paladin has apparently been farming wintergrasp |
| 09:53.25 | olafski | his bags are filled with saronite |
| 09:53.44 | Fisker- | naw Kaso i'm not on wine and it happens here too |
| 09:55.01 | Fisker- | and by that i mean the software not the alcohol |
| 09:56.23 | Kaso | lol |
| 09:56.58 | krka | Kalroth: i hear stupidity is genetic :/ |
| 09:57.01 | Dezzimal | the only solution is to set up a network boot image! |
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| 09:57.12 | Kalroth | krka: Yeah, just look at Sweden. |
| 09:57.29 | krka | naw, we sent all our stupid people south |
| 09:57.36 | Dezzimal | that way the solution to everything can just be reboot |
| 09:57.44 | Kalroth | We sent all our stupid east |
| 09:58.05 | *** part/#wowuidev Dewin (n=Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 09:58.34 | Fisker- | oh snap Kalroth but i don't live on bornholm |
| 09:59.02 | Fisker- | poland sent all of their stupid north though |
| 09:59.02 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 09:59.35 | Fisker- | http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/24548/the-splintered-throne/ <-sweeeeeeet 150 rep |
| 10:00.01 | Grum | just 50 hardmode kills! |
| 10:00.04 | Grum | or zillions of normal ones |
| 10:00.09 | DWSR | Fisker: loll, my GM thought that Frostmourne was going to be equippable. |
| 10:00.22 | Fisker- | it is! |
| 10:00.26 | Fisker- | Just not by players :( |
| 10:00.27 | DWSR | then I posted "Did you mean Shadowmourne?" |
| 10:00.33 | Grum | legendaries should be bind to account! |
| 10:00.36 | Fisker- | I'm disappointed in Uther though |
| 10:00.37 | DWSR | And he edited the post. |
| 10:00.41 | DWSR | And then deleted mine |
| 10:00.41 | Fisker- | "There must always be a lich king" |
| 10:00.48 | Fisker- | "But who would make such a sacrifice?" |
| 10:00.50 | Fisker- | MEMEMEMEMEMMEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 10:00.54 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 10:01.07 | DWSR | lol, being eternally damned and able to wield Frostmourne? |
| 10:01.09 | DWSR | HELL YEs. |
| 10:01.16 | ZorbaTHut | man, shadowmourne can't be disenchanted? what a ripoff >:( |
| 10:01.26 | Fisker- | As long as it's not "pugged every wednesday" it's fine |
| 10:01.48 | Fisker- | Though i guess i'd regret it when Cataclysm is released |
| 10:02.06 | DWSR | Fisker-: Probably not |
| 10:02.19 | DWSR | Just because you're eternally damned doesn't mean you can't have fun. |
| 10:02.30 | DWSR | Plus, I predict that there will be a *lot* of people who don't grab the expansion right away. |
| 10:02.48 | DWSR | 1) Since there's only 5 levels and 2) Since the game's going to be changing literally underneath their feet |
| 10:03.09 | Arrowmaster | it will change no matter what |
| 10:03.43 | Fisker- | btw |
| 10:03.57 | Fisker- | Anyone know what's up with bosses in ICC being "Elites" rather than bosses? |
| 10:08.19 | olafski | wow they even went as far as removing the bags from my bank and selling those :P |
| 10:08.35 | Amarande | You mean they did away with ?? Boss and now ICC raid bosses are just +83? |
| 10:10.16 | Amarande | okay ... people who sell PDFs with printing disabled, or copypaste disabled, are just dbags. :S |
| 10:10.37 | Amarande | not to mention, at least, contributing to a disturbing trend in media evolution. |
| 10:11.40 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/social-network-ballooned/ |
| 10:12.13 | Adys | Amarande: how about you get a real pdf viewer? |
| 10:13.39 | Amarande | Adys: do non-Adobe readers even read secured PDFs? |
| 10:13.56 | Adys | sure why not |
| 10:14.11 | Adys | pdf isn't proprietary anymore since a while |
| 10:14.13 | Amarande | I figured they used encryption of some sort to force you to use Acrobat Reader and accept limitations |
| 10:14.19 | Codayus | If it's a normal PDF with printing turned off? Yes. |
| 10:14.27 | Codayus | If it's not REALLY a PDF, then probably not. |
| 10:14.31 | Codayus | PDF is an open standard. |
| 10:14.42 | olafski | I got an email last night telling me to go to www.worldRofwarcraft.com to verify my account.. didn't do it but can just seeing it have installed a keylogger? |
| 10:14.44 | Codayus | open-ish, anyhow, not sure of the precise status. :) |
| 10:14.49 | Adys | its fully open |
| 10:15.17 | Adys | olafski: if you use a shitty browser, maybe |
| 10:16.20 | Amarande | Codayus: do you think it's still a douchebag thing to turn off printing, though? |
| 10:16.21 | olafski | I don't check my mail in a browser :P |
| 10:16.56 | Adys | Amarande: its like disabling right click in browsers so you cant save images |
| 10:16.57 | Adys | its useless |
| 10:17.10 | Adys | get a real browser, pdf viewer, whatever |
| 10:17.18 | Amarande | Adys: speaking of which, apparently lyrics wikia hardened its pages with such lame-o javascript in order to keep you from copypasting lyrics |
| 10:17.58 | Adys | wikia has been busy strengthening my position on them being "complete fucktards" for the past year or two |
| 10:18.00 | Codayus | I'm not sure I'd go that far. But it seems fairly pointless. It's not an effective security measure for trying to control the flow of, for example, confidential information. And there's not a lot of other good reasons to do it. But I do support, generically, the right of IP owners to do stupid stuff with their IP. |
| 10:18.39 | Adys | its false sense of security |
| 10:18.45 | Adys | it works for Joe Smith |
| 10:19.05 | Adys | but its stupid |
| 10:19.22 | Adys | i dont think its douchebaggey because the people who do that are generally clueless |
| 10:19.30 | Amarande | Although, who knows how long before at least in the US the IP lobby starts pressuring the government to pass laws adding things like "non-disablable scripting support" and "honors PDF security settings" to the list that started with "digital auto tracking" years ago :| |
| 10:19.36 | Codayus | (Reminds me of government agencies who release documents containing confidential or classified information by trying to redact it with a PDF markup tool... LOTS of examples of that.) |
| 10:19.51 | Amarande | You do know why your VCR always had digital auto tracking in the last 15 years or so, right? :) |
| 10:20.02 | Adys | Amarande: you cant pass that kind of law and have them be effective |
| 10:20.13 | Amarande | Hint: It wasn't all THAT much because the VCR companies cared about you enough to keep you from having to use the tracking knob ... |
| 10:20.22 | Adys | for one thing |
| 10:20.33 | Adys | anyone could dl an old version of some shit like gwenview, evince, whatever |
| 10:21.06 | Adys | second thing, most of those retarded laws arent effective outside the US |
| 10:21.23 | Amarande | Adys: the EU has its share of clunkers though |
| 10:21.33 | Adys | thirdly, its a pdf viewer, its second-to-last on the list of complicated things to write |
| 10:21.47 | Amarande | point in case: apparently in the EU, if you play your iPod in your cubicle at work, technically your boss is required to pay royalties for "commercial performance" of all those songs |
| 10:21.51 | Amarande | *even if you use headphones*, apparently. |
| 10:22.07 | Adys | its stupid in a stupid way |
| 10:22.27 | Adys | there are hundreds of laws which are utterly pointless because you can never actually check what happens |
| 10:22.48 | Amarande | Adys: which is why google is going to set a monster on the world with chrome OS and cloud computing :| |
| 10:22.48 | Adys | back in limoges almost nobody was paying for the bus tickets |
| 10:23.04 | Adys | the ones who were were leaving theirs in a small metal "can" which was in every bus |
| 10:23.25 | Adys | if there was a control, which happened every two or three years. you'd pick up that ticket and show that one |
| 10:24.06 | Adys | and Amarande you're confusing something |
| 10:24.18 | Adys | I have no idea what you're actually confusing, but you are |
| 10:24.37 | Amarande | Adys: from what I understand, the idea of chrome OS was some sort of server based computing where very little actually takes place on the user's personal system |
| 10:24.44 | Adys | so? |
| 10:24.45 | Amarande | server based computing = easy monitoring of everything you do |
| 10:24.57 | olafski | put on your tinfoil hat quickly :) |
| 10:25.02 | Adys | you know what I like with google is that they are honest |
| 10:25.19 | Adys | they're the only guys who tell you "We're going to be able to monitor this, that and that - but this, we won't do" |
| 10:25.31 | Adys | you know, your ISP could be watching our convo right now |
| 10:25.56 | Adys | they could be watching every tiniest move you do on the web that's not encrypted - and even that, they could still get info most of the time |
| 10:26.08 | Fisker- | olafski don't ever view e-mails in html :P |
| 10:26.11 | Adys | your phone company could be monitoring every single one of your calls |
| 10:26.13 | Amarande | and someday, we'll probably get a world with fully ossified authority :| |
| 10:26.26 | Amarande | because eventually things will be able to be monitored by that authority to the point where, well |
| 10:26.33 | Adys | your government could be watching you masturbate for all i care |
| 10:26.48 | Adys | google isnt doing anything new in setting up an infrastructure where you can be monitored |
| 10:27.10 | Adys | fuck knows, I'd give all my data to store in Google's servers if it meant nobody else could have it |
| 10:27.18 | Adys | matter of trust. |
| 10:27.26 | Amarande | basically, you start doing anything dissenting, and they'll have enough on you to find out you violated section 201-delta-baker-III-(iv.)-J-543534-Q(b)-3 of title CXI of the Gobbledygook Code, and throw you in jail to wash their hands of you. |
| 10:27.33 | olafski | fisker-: I'll try to find a way to turn them of :P |
| 10:27.34 | olafski | off* |
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| 10:27.44 | Amarande | and seeing as the law is already complex enough that pretty much no one can hope to know and understand every single statute ... |
| 10:28.14 | Adys | Amarande: do you actually have a tinfoil hat? |
| 10:28.17 | Adys | I wanna know |
| 10:28.19 | Adys | do you go out with it? |
| 10:28.22 | Amarande | Adys: nope. |
| 10:28.25 | Adys | isnt it awkward in parties? |
| 10:28.30 | Adys | because seriously |
| 10:28.34 | Amarande | I have tinfoil, but I've never fashioned a hat out of it. |
| 10:28.43 | Amarande | I do know that excessive monitoring of things tends to be a Bad Thing(tm) though. |
| 10:28.50 | Adys | I agree with you |
| 10:29.03 | Adys | but google is last in line in what concerns privacy |
| 10:29.49 | Adys | I tend to avoid whatever requires me to hand out private data, or give my parents' |
| 10:29.54 | Adys | irl I mean |
| 10:30.21 | Adys | because who the fuck cares about it on the net. either you gave it one day at some point and it means everyone can access it, or you just dont give it, ever |
| 10:30.31 | Fisker- | druids still can't use axes right? |
| 10:31.21 | Adys | what I mean by all that is that Chrome OS is some pretext for people to be "onoes escared of ze Google" |
| 10:31.45 | Adys | i use gmail, they have all my passwords all around the net if they want |
| 10:31.51 | Amarande | Adys: I think people might be more scared at the idea of cloud computing becoming an accepted mainstream concept than about Google specifically |
| 10:32.00 | Amarande | and *that* fear, I'm not sure is entirely unfounded |
| 10:32.07 | Adys | Why not? |
| 10:32.17 | Adys | you trust your money to third parties by using banks |
| 10:32.26 | Adys | why wouldnt you trust your data to a third party? |
| 10:33.00 | Adys | and in all honesty, I'd trust my data to a third party before I trust my money to them |
| 10:33.22 | Adys | general line is nobody fucking cares about your diary and the photos of you with your brother Sam |
| 10:33.36 | Adys | however people do care about your money |
| 10:34.20 | Amarande | Adys: there are those who fear that cloud computing will make it easier to censor things |
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| 10:34.49 | Adys | censorship is done on a national scale |
| 10:35.09 | Adys | I mean |
| 10:35.27 | Adys | if you have reasons not to trust your data to the cloud, sure, that's cool |
| 10:35.39 | Adys | nobody is forcing anything |
| 10:36.19 | Adys | and we're still miles away from storing our 2tb of series, movies and music on the net and accessing it there while we play half-life also on the net |
| 10:36.44 | Amarande | ISPs would probably cringe at the amount of demand that would place on them ;) |
| 10:36.46 | Adys | desktop storage is still going to be there for a long time |
| 10:37.10 | Adys | if for any reason, because desktop storage uses the same principle as remote storage |
| 10:37.13 | Amarande | also, has google solved the reliability issues of server based computing yet? |
| 10:37.17 | Amarande | let's put it this way |
| 10:37.23 | Amarande | every time I go to, say, make signs for the store at work |
| 10:37.45 | Amarande | I have to connect out to the corporate citrix server, run Microsoft Word -on the server-, which then has to connect -back- to the store computers in order to print on our printer. |
| 10:37.59 | Amarande | Sometimes it gets dodgy, like the printer failing to work properly over the network. |
| 10:38.36 | Fisker- | That's an implementation issue |
| 10:39.05 | Amarande | indeed, that makes me wonder now: how much troubleshooting ability will a Chrome OS user have, if any at all, without needing to seek the help of a Google sysadmin every time technical issues arise? |
| 10:39.32 | olafski | you rock at devil's advocate amarande |
| 10:39.51 | Amarande | One of the warm fuzzies about non-cloud computing is quite simple, if your machine is screwing up, you have full authority to go mucking around and figuring out what's wrong and fixing it |
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| 10:39.59 | Adys | how the hell would anyone here know the answer |
| 10:40.02 | Amarande | with server based computing, you must wait for the server help desk to get around to it. |
| 10:40.05 | Adys | its up to how they implement it |
| 10:40.26 | Adys | full scale storage like google intends it isn't going to be different to your computer |
| 10:40.41 | Adys | you're not streaming RTV from a remote computer doing all the machine work for you |
| 10:41.00 | Adys | if anything it'll be a hell of a lot easier to fix issues |
| 10:41.05 | Adys | both for you and google |
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| 10:43.51 | Fisker- | I'd guess that Google will have backup systems |
| 10:44.10 | Fisker- | Their cloud computing probably won't rely on a single machine so failures won't affect the end user much |
| 10:46.24 | Amarande | although it's not like the majority of us will have the option of running chrome os anyway |
| 10:46.28 | Amarande | for one simple reason in particular |
| 10:46.50 | Amarande | this is a WoW channel, and I'm pretty sure you won't be able to play WoW on Chrome OS |
| 10:47.21 | Adys | maybe one day youll figure out many of us dont exactly care about wow |
| 10:47.33 | olafski | because it runs only on netbooks you mean? ;) |
| 10:48.12 | Adys | even if you could somehow make it run on the kind of weak netbooks google will use |
| 10:48.15 | Adys | it wont run on arm :P |
| 10:48.30 | Adys | even the wine arm port is miles away |
| 10:48.42 | Amarande | Adys: I kinda presumed that the vast majority of #wowuidev denizens at least play the game :) |
| 10:48.49 | Amarande | otherwise, why would we be in a channel about wow addons |
| 10:49.07 | Adys | "play the game" doesnt mean "are so addicted to the game that we cant buy a computer that wont run it" |
| 10:49.19 | DWSR | God, the Spy is so OP. |
| 10:49.20 | DWSR | (TF2) |
| 10:49.36 | Amarande | olafski: you mean it won't even run on desktops? |
| 10:49.57 | Amarande | although it kinda sounds like even if it did, it would be a waste of a typical desktop's power |
| 10:50.03 | Adys | chrome os will be optimized for google-specific hardware |
| 10:50.22 | Adys | as for what is of some shit like pseudochromium os |
| 10:50.32 | Adys | people will make distros and what not im sure of that |
| 10:50.51 | Adys | maybe if one day the wine arm port is complete enough to play 3d games |
| 10:51.12 | Adys | youll be playing wow on a chromium os-based distribution running on an arm machine |
| 10:51.34 | Amarande | I'd play wow on wine on linux right now if I trusted the ATI Linux drivers |
| 10:51.46 | Amarande | however, like I've mentioned before, the last time I tried that, the ATI Linux drivers turned out to be EPIC FAIL |
| 10:52.07 | Amarande | and the open source ones didn't (still don't? I haven't checked) support 3D hardware acceleration on the HD 3870 |
| 10:52.15 | Amarande | I actually tried running WoW without hardware acceleration, just for shits and giggles |
| 10:52.23 | Amarande | ever see WoW literally report *zero* FPS? I have :D |
| 10:52.31 | olafski | I dunno if it doesn't run on desktops amarande.. but I wouldn't want to play wow on a netbook anyway so I don't really care about chromium |
| 10:52.33 | Adys | i have, on nvidia, windows |
| 10:52.38 | Adys | but yea, ati dont bother |
| 10:52.40 | Adys | nor intel. |
| 10:52.56 | Amarande | I could kinda sorta chat, but I couldn't actually do anything else but just stand there in darkshore |
| 10:54.05 | Amarande | actually, the ATI drivers were okay for the duration of a single X login, provided you did not log out or switch users |
| 10:54.16 | Amarande | as soon as you tried to do that, though, the system would hard kernel panic |
| 11:03.20 | DWSR | Amarande: As opposed to a soft kernel panic? =\ |
| 11:04.05 | Fisker- | ragequit |
| 11:04.06 | Fisker- | gg |
| 11:04.25 | olafski | :D |
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| 11:07.28 | Adys | is there an image hashing algorithm? |
| 11:08.10 | Adys | eg I want a 128byte hash of an image where two identical ones will match, regardless of format, compression, etc |
| 11:08.53 | Jerub | Adys: it sounds like you're after some kkind of watermarking |
| 11:08.56 | Jerub | but that requires that you change the original source image from which other images are created. |
| 11:08.58 | Adys | Uhm |
| 11:09.01 | Adys | no |
| 11:09.11 | Adys | for example |
| 11:09.13 | DWSR | Adys: No |
| 11:09.15 | Adys | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/a/a6/20090526075736!PDF.png |
| 11:09.17 | Adys | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/PDF.png |
| 11:09.34 | Adys | I would want these two images' hashes to match |
| 11:09.42 | Adys | even though one has been optimized out |
| 11:10.02 | DWSR | Adys: What you're asking for is pretty complex stuff |
| 11:10.07 | Kaso | Adys: perhaps http://phash.org/ might be similar to what you're asking for |
| 11:11.10 | Adys | its not technically complex |
| 11:11.21 | Adys | Kaso: No |
| 11:11.31 | Adys | this is the image-signature kind of stuff |
| 11:11.51 | Adys | but to be honest |
| 11:12.08 | Adys | it'd be a matter of converting the image to a raw dump, and hashing that dump |
| 11:12.37 | DWSR | Adys: If you optimze one and then dump both the original and optimized versions and hash them, they'll be different. |
| 11:12.43 | DWSR | Even though they *look* the same |
| 11:12.53 | Adys | no they wont be different |
| 11:13.04 | Kaso | that'd only work on lossless formats though, if you want it to be entirely format agnostic, something like phash with a tollarance of like 99% would work even for jpgs etc |
| 11:13.22 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 11:13.27 | Adys | Kaso: I want no tolerance |
| 11:13.40 | Adys | so thats fine with me |
| 11:14.18 | Kaso | use imagemagick to convert all the images into a set format and just use a normal hash on em |
| 11:14.45 | Adys | think ill make a quick python app to do that |
| 11:14.55 | Adys | I'm in the process of forking PIL at the moment |
| 11:15.00 | Adys | which sucks ass seriously |
| 11:15.06 | Fisker- | btw Bibi i need to talk to you |
| 11:15.12 | Adys | what do you want Fisker |
| 11:15.40 | Fisker- | Wanted to know if he saw if the profession links here: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/december/armory.jpg will now actually show your recipes |
| 11:15.53 | Adys | likely |
| 11:15.54 | Fisker- | Given how emphazised it is |
| 11:15.56 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 11:18.30 | Kaso | why did mmo-champ take a screenshot without flash? |
| 11:18.47 | Adys | because flash sucks |
| 11:19.28 | Adys | night |
| 11:19.32 | Kaso | lol |
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| 11:20.14 | Kaso | I agree flash sucks, and cant wait till the day native technologies like canvas and video kill it, but i dont think we're there yet |
| 11:20.31 | Kaso | and that screenshot looks crap with the "please install flash" message ;p |
| 11:23.22 | Fisker- | Well Kaso i don't need flash to see your mother naked |
| 11:23.24 | Fisker- | ooooooooooh |
| 11:23.46 | Kaso | lol |
| 11:25.14 | Fisker- | You probably didn't expect that kind of response from me right? |
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| 11:31.18 | DWSR | Fisker: Link to the article that screenie is from? |
| 11:32.31 | olafski | http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/shadowfrost-shard-armory-updates-blue-posts/ |
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| 11:54.08 | ZorbaTHut | hah, now I have a list of all the servers people have sent QH datafiles from |
| 11:54.17 | ZorbaTHut | "Illustrious Funserver 3.2.x" <-- this sounds like a legitimate server, does it not |
| 11:54.53 | Kalroth | The Ultimate Funserver Gaming Experience. |
| 11:54.53 | Kalroth | It Is the Next big server. |
| 11:56.10 | Wobin | Illustrious Funserver sounds awesome |
| 11:56.19 | Wobin | like it has a giant Icecrown bouncy castle or something |
| 11:57.10 | ZorbaTHut | instead of saronite, the lich king mines corgis and bunny rabbits |
| 11:57.33 | Wobin | some alliance bastard stole my corgi node |
| 11:58.03 | Kalroth | send a dropbear after them |
| 11:58.10 | ZorbaTHut | man fuck the alliance let's go raid their candycane capital |
| 11:58.35 | Wobin | I want my black FunBear |
| 11:58.51 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, I'm not quite sure how to cull out the legit servers from the non-legit servers right now, though :/ |
| 11:58.52 | Kalroth | Wobin: Is that internet slang for a gay black dude? |
| 11:59.19 | Wobin | only if he's hirsuite |
| 11:59.22 | Wobin | and enjoys jokes |
| 11:59.27 | Kalroth | is confused. |
| 12:01.18 | ZorbaTHut | "Dragon's Mayham" |
| 12:01.20 | ZorbaTHut | mmm, ham |
| 12:03.41 | Corrodias | oh fuck, i want some ham now ._. |
| 12:03.58 | Kaso | ZorbaTHut: are there examples of non-legit servers running with realm-names the same as blizz servers? |
| 12:05.03 | olafski | zorbathut: do they include server IPs? |
| 12:05.08 | olafski | I guess not, nm |
| 12:05.29 | olafski | can anyone recommend a good (preferrably free) virusscanner that is not AVG? |
| 12:05.47 | DWSR | olafski: The one that comes with the Google Pack is alright. |
| 12:05.54 | olafski | google has a virusscanner? oO |
| 12:05.58 | DWSR | No. |
| 12:06.02 | Kaso | Also i find it pretty surprising that people are uploading data from non-legit servers. seems like a shitty thing to do |
| 12:06.04 | DWSR | They bundle one with their application pack |
| 12:06.12 | olafski | oh |
| 12:06.18 | olafski | let's see :) |
| 12:06.28 | olafski | the nice blizzard lady on the phone suggested I use 2 different virusscanners |
| 12:06.58 | Kaso | lol |
| 12:07.14 | DWSR | Punch her in the face? |
| 12:07.25 | DWSR | Punch her through the phone [/souljaboy] |
| 12:07.28 | ZorbaTHut | kaso, I don't believe so, but I also don't want to cull out foreign-language servers and I think I may run into unicode issues |
| 12:07.29 | olafski | meh I think I'll just do it anyway.. AVG hasn't found anything yet |
| 12:07.40 | olafski | but I would assume there has to be _something_ on my pc that gave away my password |
| 12:07.44 | ZorbaTHut | kaso, people aren't all that smart, it turns out. :P |
| 12:08.39 | ZorbaTHut | I may just filter out on various characters |
| 12:09.16 | ZorbaTHut | removing all servers with characters .(-{[ , with digits, or with "wotlk" "wow" "rate" "high" "server" will get rid of the majority |
| 12:09.35 | ZorbaTHut | (case-insensitive of course) |
| 12:09.40 | Kaso | wowwiki or something has a pretty exhaustive list of servers, including all the russian and korean etc ones, for building a whitelist, though then i guess keeping it up to date, and as you say handling the unicode might be a pain |
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| 12:10.38 | Kaso | But i remember how annoying private server info was back in the day when it got onto thottbot and stuff >< |
| 12:10.53 | Kaso | i wonder if they blacklist or whitelist. |
| 12:10.58 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, the fact that it hasn't been noticable in QH for a long time is a testament to how durable my new data gathering code is |
| 12:11.05 | ZorbaTHut | it's really only "/qh incomplete" that exposes it |
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| 12:16.10 | DWSR | I would imagine creating a blacklist to be much more of a PITA. |
| 12:16.15 | DWSR | Since the information for a Whitelist is published. |
| 12:16.21 | DWSR | A blacklist, not neccessarily. |
| 12:17.21 | DWSR | omg, tanks with 51k HP in heroics NOM NOM NOM |
| 12:17.41 | Kaso | of course neither stops a malicious attacker given that you only have api data to go on |
| 12:17.58 | DWSR | most of the time, I would suspect the data is not malicious |
| 12:18.04 | ZorbaTHut | they've got some advantage of scale that I don't - they can just mark all servers as "fake" until they get, say, 50 uploads from one server, and then go manual from there |
| 12:18.10 | ZorbaTHut | in my case, I have legit servers with one upload |
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| 12:21.40 | DWSR | np: Judge Jules, Lee Haslam & The - Essential Mix (18.07.2004) [120:08m/192kbps/44kHz] |
| 12:21.55 | DWSR | anyone here into Hard trance? |
| 12:22.29 | Kalroth | only when I smoke the bad shit |
| 12:28.34 | airtonix | what is so special about spotfy ? it is like last.fm and jamendo right ? |
| 12:28.53 | olafski | spotify is free with ads in the music iirc |
| 12:29.01 | olafski | dunno about last.fm.. not free in my country anyway |
| 12:29.16 | Kalroth | it's like last.fm |
| 12:29.29 | airtonix | and you can only access spotify with their windows only program |
| 12:29.44 | Kalroth | spotify got the same silly limits too |
| 12:29.47 | airtonix | last.fm is free in australia |
| 12:31.03 | airtonix | well, let me rephrase that. my music player 'listen, or gmusicplayer, or rhythmbox' can access last.fm and i dont pay for it |
| 12:31.15 | Kalroth | You can't do that with Spotify |
| 12:31.17 | Kaso | spotify have a mac version, and the windows client works fine on wine (they even have wine installation instructions on their website) |
| 12:31.43 | Kaso | also http://despotify.se/ if you're happy to break EULAs |
| 12:31.51 | airtonix | my point is : why should i bother with a wine app to access a service that i can with out a wine app |
| 12:33.49 | Kalroth | you shouldn't :) |
| 12:36.43 | airtonix | banshee is pretty nice app for music on linux |
| 12:36.51 | airtonix | plays video too |
| 12:37.19 | airtonix | my only gripe with most media players on linux is that they try to clone itunes ui setup |
| 12:37.52 | airtonix | most of them don't let you browse and play you media via a folder browser : gmusicbrowser and listen are exceptions there |
| 12:38.56 | DWSR | foodbar. |
| 12:38.58 | DWSR | foobar* |
| 12:39.00 | DWSR | Enough said |
| 12:40.12 | Kaso | i still think the folder way isnt the correct way to do it. you're trying to hierarchically arrange something that doesn't really work like that. One song can be several albums, one artist can be in several genres, etc, etc. tagging/metainformation always seemed a better way to do it to me |
| 12:41.37 | DWSR | Kaso, right, but how often do you sort your media library by a different field? |
| 12:41.46 | DWSR | Most people like browsing by field x, and that's about it |
| 12:43.23 | airtonix | Kaso, I dont organise my music like that |
| 12:43.57 | Kaso | the organiser part of my brain doesn't like it >< hell i even get pissed off with iTunes forcing me to have duplicates of a song because it wont allow multiple albums! |
| 12:43.57 | airtonix | Kaso, also i use streamripper so most of the time i store the music as per where i got it from... |
| 12:44.28 | DWSR | airtonix: Ah, yeah. |
| 12:44.56 | olafski | a friend of mine has all albums stored in a flat directory, then makes links to those from his various genre folders |
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| 12:45.27 | airtonix | Kaso, also the two favourite media player i listed there : listen and gmusicplayers still have a genre/artist/song/album etc etc view mode |
| 12:45.49 | airtonix | olafski, somehow i like that idea |
| 12:45.55 | olafski | I love it too |
| 12:46.02 | olafski | that's one of the few reasons I see to move my fileserver to linux |
| 12:46.37 | airtonix | one of the problems i have with being forced to use a album/genre/artist etc mode is that all your music must have the meta data filled out correctly |
| 12:46.52 | olafski | when you use this method you can use any type of arbitrary "tags" |
| 12:47.03 | olafski | e.g. he has a new_music folder which contains a this_week and this_month folder |
| 12:47.10 | olafski | both also have links to their appropriate albums |
| 12:47.24 | olafski | it still doesn't allow for a song to be in multiple albums but I wouldn't want that anyway |
| 12:47.39 | airtonix | i think nautilus lets me create virtual folders based on search settings |
| 12:48.48 | airtonix | yep : application/x-gnome-saved-search |
| 12:49.06 | olafski | nice |
| 12:49.08 | airtonix | it's just an xml file that nautilus lets you view as a folder |
| 12:49.20 | DWSR | rofl |
| 12:49.29 | DWSR | Just killed first UP boss without her having the sword hit the ground once. |
| 12:49.37 | olafski | nice :P |
| 12:49.46 | airtonix | heroic mode isn't enough |
| 12:50.02 | DWSR | indeed |
| 12:50.09 | olafski | we need super heroic |
| 12:50.27 | airtonix | new lfg thing demostrates how the game can set things up according to your gear... it should do it for the dungeon too |
| 12:50.47 | airtonix | instead of two static difficultiy modes : normal / heroic |
| 12:51.00 | olafski | make it harder based on your gear? |
| 12:51.06 | olafski | I imagine people will want better rewards too then |
| 12:51.21 | airtonix | they get the option to play another game |
| 12:51.29 | airtonix | world-of-loot-from-mailbox |
| 12:52.10 | DWSR | indeed |
| 12:54.17 | olafski | meh |
| 12:54.25 | olafski | I doubt many people will like this idea |
| 12:54.40 | ZorbaTHut | that was one neat thing about the Anarchy Online mission system - you had a little slider for how hard you wanted it to be |
| 12:54.47 | olafski | sure there are some people who think heroics are too easy, but I think most will either think they are fine or are happy with the way they can get (old tier) emblems so easily |
| 12:55.01 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: That's what she said. |
| 12:55.18 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, yeah, depending on my mood I want either a serious challenge or easy badges |
| 12:55.37 | ZorbaTHut | if it ramped up the difficulty automatically it'd be quite annoying, I'd want to have some control over it |
| 12:55.50 | olafski | yeah |
| 12:55.59 | krka | "you had a little slider for how hard you wanted it to be" <-- i think i get spam mail about those "sliders" |
| 12:56.02 | olafski | I'm done with most challenges.. if I do heroics I just want them to be quick |
| 12:57.06 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 12:57.12 | DWSR | A super heroic mode would be kinda funny though |
| 12:57.18 | DWSR | ULTRA MEGA SUPER HEROIC |
| 12:57.41 | olafski | think about how many people would do the uber bosses in diablo 2 if they didn't drop better loot than their normal counterparts |
| 12:58.00 | DWSR | olafski: I think some people would do it just for the epeenery. |
| 12:58.14 | olafski | sure "some" is the keyword though |
| 12:58.27 | krka | yeah, it's probably enough to add achievements for harder modes |
| 12:58.45 | ZorbaTHut | or extra badges. or loot that doesn't quite scale. |
| 12:58.46 | olafski | well, how many people would do them more than once then? =( |
| 12:59.12 | krka | why should people do stuff more than once? |
| 12:59.25 | olafski | that kind of voids this entire discussion |
| 12:59.34 | ZorbaTHut | krka, because it may not be worth blizzard's time otherwise |
| 12:59.36 | olafski | we completed the heroics when we just turned 80 so why do them again? |
| 12:59.50 | krka | there's definitely a limit for how many times you can reuse a dungeon |
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| 13:01.09 | Wobin | we need a dungeon stats addon |
| 13:01.16 | Wobin | that takes stats of the crossrealm pugs |
| 13:01.21 | Wobin | speed, deaths, etc |
| 13:02.05 | Wobin | ps ZorbaTHut All they'd have to do is offer 'Badge of Whoosy' and people will try for it =P |
| 13:05.09 | DWSR | Wobin: Indeed. |
| 13:06.00 | Kalroth | We'll see Naxxramas again in Cataclysm, Kel'Thuzad pulled the wrong lever and the entire instance flew away |
| 13:06.22 | Kalroth | It'll hover over Goldshire now and randomly zap people cybering in the woods |
| 13:07.07 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/12/action_packed_50_movie_trailer.php |
| 13:08.30 | DWSR | rofl Kalroth |
| 13:11.26 | airtonix | megatron mode |
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| 13:33.45 | Wobin | I remember from the zombie event pre wotlk |
| 13:33.56 | Wobin | wandering around IF and hearing the yell: "Attention Shoppers: Will the person who has parked the necropolis outside the city please return to your vehicle? You have left your landing lights on" |
| 13:35.22 | Kalroth | haha |
| 13:35.41 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 13:35.50 | Kalroth | I love the city events, I remember when the doomlord dude ripped Ironforge a new one |
| 13:36.13 | DWSR | wtf? |
| 13:36.17 | olafski | end of beta |
| 13:36.18 | DWSR | Did a new patch just get released? |
| 13:36.21 | olafski | oh |
| 13:36.22 | olafski | ;) |
| 13:36.42 | olafski | ~statusalert |
| 13:36.45 | Kalroth | naw, at end of retail |
| 13:36.50 | olafski | oh shuck I forgot what it was |
| 13:36.56 | DWSR | wtf... |
| 13:36.57 | olafski | ah, I wasn't there at end of vanilla wow |
| 13:37.01 | DWSR | I'm getting "This download is not authorized". |
| 13:37.05 | DWSR | And it won't let me start the game. |
| 13:37.27 | Kalroth | You need to pay Blizzard $50 before they will authorize your install |
| 13:37.33 | DWSR | apparently. |
| 13:37.35 | DWSR | That's fucking gay. |
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| 13:37.35 | DWSR | Anyway. |
| 13:37.36 | Kalroth | Click 'here' to continue! |
| 13:37.44 | DWSR | Probably someone just went WHOOPSY. |
| 13:38.01 | DWSR | Anyway, I was in the middle of an H Nexus, and at the beginning, I said "chain pull please" |
| 13:38.17 | DWSR | So, we're moving along, pretty slow too, but the trash about the first boss is pretty close together, so whatever. |
| 13:38.32 | DWSR | Anyway, we're getting up the ramp on the far side of the first boss and I start pulling because the tank's just sitting around wanking. |
| 13:38.46 | DWSR | So she gets all butthurt and just starts standing there. |
| 13:38.55 | DWSR | So I go "uh...what are we waiting for?" |
| 13:39.04 | DWSR | And she politely says "You to pull." |
| 13:39.09 | DWSR | So I walk in with demon Armor on and tank. |
| 13:39.14 | DWSR | And she /leaves. |
| 13:39.23 | Kalroth | Well there's your problem, you got a female tank. (just wait for the females in here to get butthurt over that!) |
| 13:39.38 | DWSR | She got all high and mighty on me too, it was hilarious. |
| 13:39.48 | DWSR | She was like "I get groups 3 seconds after I hit the button. You have to wait" |
| 13:39.53 | DWSR | I fucking rofled so hard. |
| 13:40.15 | Kalroth | Yeah, the new patch haven't helped much with the ego of tanks :) |
| 13:40.18 | Wobin | had a fun nexus |
| 13:40.20 | Legorol | DWSR: she has a point :P |
| 13:40.24 | Wobin | tank had 36k |
| 13:40.32 | DWSR | Legorol: No she doesn't. I kicked her and we found a new tank 10 seconds later. |
| 13:40.32 | Wobin | so I took that as a sign he could chain pull |
| 13:40.35 | Wobin | so he did =) |
| 13:40.39 | krka | i've never waited more than 30 seconds as dps |
| 13:40.44 | olafski | heh if a dps decides my tanking is wrong they can leave :P |
| 13:40.44 | DWSR | Legorol: Tanks and healers are just as replacable as the 3 DPS. |
| 13:40.44 | Kalroth | Legorol: If DPS got time to fetch mobs (in Nexus) then she's slacking. |
| 13:40.48 | Wobin | well, she was right in that she gets groups that fast |
| 13:41.01 | Wobin | she was also correct in that you had to wait |
| 13:41.02 | Legorol | DWSR: not on my realm :( |
| 13:41.07 | Wobin | of course, you didn't have to wait long =P |
| 13:41.10 | DWSR | Legorol: Battlegroups, now. |
| 13:41.17 | olafski | well if you remove someone _during_ the run legorol, you'll be at the top of the queue |
| 13:41.17 | Legorol | tank wait time: i can't even close the LFD tool before the popup appears. dps wait time: 10-15 mins |
| 13:41.17 | DWSR | Realm-wide, yeah,things were different. |
| 13:41.23 | Wobin | DWSR, =( DPS wait about 5min on my BG |
| 13:41.36 | Wobin | Which is why I always run as a healer |
| 13:41.37 | Legorol | olafski: yes, but you are limited in running the particular instance you are in |
| 13:41.39 | olafski | I had to wait about 20 minutes as dps, as tank it's instant ;) |
| 13:41.42 | DWSR | Wobin: I wait anywhere between 10 seconds and 3 minutes, but that's it. |
| 13:41.46 | Legorol | other people are queued for anything, which makes it harder to get replacement |
| 13:41.47 | Kalroth | I always chain pull and I only stop if someone yells at me or if I can see that there's more mobs than DPS behind me :P |
| 13:41.53 | olafski | legorol: yes.. we're talking about replacing a (potentially bad) tank here :) |
| 13:42.06 | olafski | it'll just add a tank who was queued for anything |
| 13:42.07 | Legorol | but anyway, it's not the wait time i was mostly referring to |
| 13:42.13 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 13:42.15 | Legorol | i think she has a point in that dps shouldn't be impatient and let the tank pull |
| 13:42.21 | Wobin | I agree |
| 13:42.24 | olafski | me too |
| 13:42.24 | Legorol | i hate dps that thinks they can decide to pull |
| 13:42.26 | Wobin | I'll heal the tank |
| 13:42.26 | DWSR | Legorol: You should be chain pulling the entire instance. |
| 13:42.33 | Legorol | DWSR: that depends |
| 13:42.35 | Wobin | But if you're dps and you're pulling, I'm not going to heal you |
| 13:42.37 | Kalroth | It's the tanks responsibility to keep DPS busy |
| 13:42.40 | DWSR | Legorol: She was geared. |
| 13:42.43 | DWSR | And so was the healer. |
| 13:42.45 | olafski | as I said, if dps doesn't like it they can leave.. see if they want to wait 20 minutes for the queue or 3 seconds for me to pull :) |
| 13:42.47 | Legorol | many groups can get away with it, but even then |
| 13:42.58 | DWSR | Legorol: the healer said chain pull. |
| 13:43.00 | Wobin | It's still the job of the tank to pull |
| 13:43.03 | DWSR | Legorol: The tank should be chain pulling. |
| 13:43.04 | Legorol | chain pulling is more stressful. if she wanted a relaxed run, or (shock horror) needed practice, she will go at a slower pace |
| 13:43.10 | Legorol | unlucky for you that you got her, but you still shouldn't pull |
| 13:43.16 | Wobin | agreed |
| 13:43.26 | Wobin | next time just vote her off =P |
| 13:43.30 | DWSR | Legorol: People need to hurry the fuck up, imo. I'm not here to fap off to a heroic. I want my badges. Gear falls from the sky. |
| 13:43.37 | DWSR | there's no enjoyment in heroics. |
| 13:43.45 | DWSR | Not after the first few times, anyway. |
| 13:43.49 | Wobin | I like Nexus and UK |
| 13:43.53 | Legorol | DWSR: if you want badges, get into Karazhan. I don't see how you get badges from H Nexus :P |
| 13:43.53 | Wobin | cause they're so damn fast |
| 13:43.55 | Kalroth | I usually ask the healer if he's a retard at the beginning. If he says no then I chain pull :p |
| 13:44.02 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 13:44.07 | Legorol | DWSR: you are the kind of person i dislike meeting in apug |
| 13:44.10 | Legorol | impatient, arrogant ass |
| 13:44.26 | Kalroth | That's why you can switch groups! |
| 13:44.26 | DWSR | I generally look at the tank's health and the healer's mana. If they are both substantial, I ask for a chain pull. |
| 13:44.31 | Legorol | i know you are out there to farm your emblems, but you can always make a group on your realm |
| 13:44.35 | Legorol | don't go all stressful on random puggers |
| 13:44.40 | DWSR | Legorol: No I can't. It's 7am realm time. |
| 13:44.40 | Kalroth | hahah, stress? |
| 13:44.43 | Kalroth | really? :p |
| 13:44.52 | krka | i already know i'm a bad player, does this mean i should never try to do pugs to try to improve? |
| 13:45.03 | DWSR | Legorol: That's why Blizzard invented LFD, so that I could queue with groups from other realms. |
| 13:45.04 | Legorol | what krka said |
| 13:45.06 | ZorbaTHut | if the healer's mana is above 50%, and I don't have at least half a group on me, I'm pulling another group :P |
| 13:45.07 | Legorol | people need to chill |
| 13:45.12 | olafski | I tank, my gf heals.. always like that, and if a dps pulls aggro more than once she just lets them die :) |
| 13:45.14 | DWSR | what ZorbaTHut said. |
| 13:45.15 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut, if you're the tank |
| 13:45.21 | Kalroth | Legorol: If you want to play it slow then you can always make a group on your realm. |
| 13:45.27 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 13:45.36 | Wobin | I totally agree with the idea of chain pulling |
| 13:45.37 | DWSR | More than half the group wanted the tank to chain pull. |
| 13:45.39 | Legorol | dwsr: it's all fine about the crossrealm pugging thing, but you have to realise you will meet all sorts |
| 13:45.44 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, sure. and if I'm the healer, and I've got the time to write "pull another group, let's do this thing", then I'm writing it, and hopefully the tank is doing it |
| 13:45.44 | Wobin | but if a dps starts pulling, I let them die =P |
| 13:45.46 | DWSR | If she doesn't want to chain pull, she should have dropped before the start. |
| 13:45.51 | Legorol | going anal on them each time they are slightly slow is going to hurt you, mostly |
| 13:46.03 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut, absolutely |
| 13:46.08 | Legorol | word, ZorbaTHut |
| 13:46.10 | Wobin | again, I love chain pulling instances |
| 13:46.11 | krka | that's a nice quote to take out of context |
| 13:46.15 | Legorol | don't get me wrong, i'm not against chainpulling or fast clears |
| 13:46.22 | DWSR | krka: ROFL |
| 13:46.23 | Wobin | but dps should not be pulling =P |
| 13:46.38 | DWSR | I put on my resilience set and *poof* I'm a tank =\ |
| 13:46.46 | ZorbaTHut | that said if the dps starts pulling, yeah, I might consider that guy's welfare to be slightly lower priority. whether I'm heals *or* tank ;) |
| 13:46.49 | DWSR | I have 32k HP unbuffed, so fuck off. =\ |
| 13:46.56 | Wobin | DWSR, I still won't heal you |
| 13:47.03 | Wobin | so that 32K HP won't last long =P |
| 13:47.05 | DWSR | Wobin: Go for it, stuff never reaches me anyway. |
| 13:47.10 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit (n=foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 13:47.11 | Kalroth | You're all a bunch of puggers, sheesh |
| 13:47.16 | Wobin | I'll just sit there leeching rep =P |
| 13:47.28 | Legorol | slightly different topic: what do you guys think about the following. I have on numerous occasions found people queuing up in dps role with gear that is basically nonexistent |
| 13:47.39 | DWSR | Legorol: Chain pull. |
| 13:47.40 | Legorol | the best example is when someone queues in blue tank gear (yes, had that happen) |
| 13:47.43 | DWSR | If they can't keep up, keep chain pulling. |
| 13:47.49 | Legorol | DWSR: let me finish :P |
| 13:47.54 | DWSR | No, chain pull faster. |
| 13:47.58 | DWSR | :P |
| 13:48.00 | krka | Legorol: i queue up with my mostly crappy gear :/ |
| 13:48.02 | Wobin | pulls DWSR's chain |
| 13:48.10 | Legorol | so here is my thought on it: imo people shouldn't be in a heroic if they haven't bothered to get a minimal dps gear (even greens are fine) |
| 13:48.11 | Wobin | watches DWSR flush |
| 13:48.14 | ZorbaTHut | the thing that always amuses me as tank is when a DPS asks for a break to get mana back |
| 13:48.20 | Legorol | if i see a dps with non-dps pieces on them, i try to vote them out |
| 13:48.24 | ZorbaTHut | like, no, wait until we're out of combat and start drinking. and then catch up. |
| 13:48.25 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: roflwtf? |
| 13:48.37 | DWSR | What shitty DPS do you have on your BGr? |
| 13:48.39 | Wobin | if I need mana, I stop and drink |
| 13:48.39 | krka | i dont even know what *counts* as dps gear |
| 13:48.40 | Legorol | i had this exchange in one of the most recent pugs: |
| 13:48.43 | ZorbaTHut | "but my dps will be lower" guess you should be managing your mana better shouldn't you |
| 13:48.48 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, it comes up rarely |
| 13:48.53 | Legorol | one of the dps said, as soon as we got in: "sorry if my dps is a bit low, i just respecced" |
| 13:48.54 | Wobin | generally the tank isn't taking enough damage for me to worry unless it's a multipack |
| 13:48.55 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Does DPS even matter in heroics? |
| 13:49.03 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, sure it does, it's epeen |
| 13:49.07 | Legorol | so alarms go off in my head, i inspect him, he is in mostly blue/green, and wearing two tank pieces |
| 13:49.08 | DWSR | rofl |
| 13:49.08 | Wobin | sure it does |
| 13:49.12 | foxlit | Legorol: what if those non-dps pieces are made of awesome? |
| 13:49.13 | Wobin | if the tank is doing all the dps |
| 13:49.15 | ZorbaTHut | (and it matters to me because the higher it is the faster we get through) |
| 13:49.16 | Wobin | something is wrong =P |
| 13:49.16 | Legorol | i ask him politely if he can put something else on, even green pieces |
| 13:49.20 | Legorol | foxlit: they weren't |
| 13:49.28 | foxlit | "what if" |
| 13:49.30 | Legorol | since he didn't have replacement, i asked him to leave, over which he got really upset |
| 13:49.39 | ZorbaTHut | I occasionally end up doing 30-40% of the group damage as a tank :( |
| 13:49.48 | Legorol | he tried to claim that this is the best way for him to gear up. i linked him two craftable green and two craftable blue pieces that are cheap |
| 13:49.51 | DWSR | Legorol: If he's doing under 1k, I votekick. If we're doing one of the new heroics and it's under 3k, I kick. The end. |
| 13:49.51 | Wobin | Legorol, if it were like a hunter wearing healing cloth, I'd understand =P |
| 13:50.02 | krka | under 1k what? |
| 13:50.05 | olafski | how should someone get full dps gear without doing some runs though legorol? tank gear generally shares quite a few stats with dps |
| 13:50.06 | Wobin | dps |
| 13:50.08 | olafski | str, hit, exp |
| 13:50.08 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: You have shitty DPS on your realm then. |
| 13:50.13 | Legorol | now for the funny part: the others said "let's just go, the healer is fine with it", which was confirmed by the healer |
| 13:50.15 | krka | is that actual dps in combat or some calculated value? |
| 13:50.19 | foxlit | olafski: quest dps gear? |
| 13:50.29 | Legorol | so i said: "ok, if he is allowed to dps in that gear, i'll be tanking in similar quality tank gear, deal?" |
| 13:50.32 | DWSR | Legorol: You're the kind of person I find hilarious. You think that heroics matter. |
| 13:50.35 | olafski | foxlit: is that better than epic tank gear? I'd say not always |
| 13:50.36 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, every class has a full set of craftable lv78 pvp gear which does a reasonably good job of DPS |
| 13:50.40 | Wobin | krka, it's a magic made up value |
| 13:50.42 | Legorol | the healer was taken aback a bit, and after a few seconds of thinking, said: "ok i see your point" |
| 13:50.43 | DWSR | Legorol: Just zerg NOM NOM burn. I've cleared heroics with 5 DPS before. |
| 13:50.44 | ZorbaTHut | and is quite cheap |
| 13:50.50 | Legorol | DWSR: you are missing the point |
| 13:50.53 | foxlit | olafski: I think the whining is about the not-epic-tank-gear problems. |
| 13:50.57 | ZorbaTHut | toss all that on and you should be able to do >1kDPS without a problem. |
| 13:50.59 | DWSR | Legorol: Not really. =\ If it becomes an issue, it's an issue. |
| 13:51.08 | DWSR | Legorol: If it's not an issue, it's not an issue. End of story. |
| 13:51.10 | Legorol | DWSR: it's an issue for me |
| 13:51.12 | DWSR | Why? |
| 13:51.13 | Legorol | it was a big issue |
| 13:51.16 | DWSR | Why? |
| 13:51.18 | Legorol | i'm not going to boost someone who didn't even put minimal effort into getting gear for his role |
| 13:51.18 | olafski | zorbathut: I'd say >2k should be possible too .. or at least 1500 |
| 13:51.24 | Legorol | he was effectively missing two pieces |
| 13:51.25 | olafski | I too regularly see people doing ~1000 dps |
| 13:51.26 | Wobin | CAuse he doesn't want to carry someone through a pug |
| 13:51.33 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, depends on how much you're willing to spend and how quickly you pick it up |
| 13:51.33 | DWSR | lol |
| 13:51.33 | Wobin | and why the fuck should he? |
| 13:51.37 | DWSR | I carry pugs all the time. |
| 13:51.41 | DWSR | Because I want my fucking emblems? |
| 13:51.44 | Legorol | DWSR: it's an issue because whilst he can get carried through in that gear, i can't afford to have that sort of gear |
| 13:51.44 | olafski | dunno why.. my hunter just hit 80 and I think he can do 2k dps depending on which heroic I think |
| 13:51.48 | ZorbaTHut | I stepped into my first heroic as a moonkin with no idea what I was doing and mostly blue gear, doing 1500dps |
| 13:51.57 | Legorol | DWSR: the point is this: as a *tank*, i couldn't afford to have the kind of gear he had |
| 13:52.02 | ZorbaTHut | although I did get epic mh/oh and I had a darkmoon card trinket |
| 13:52.06 | Legorol | and i'm not going to apply lower standards to dps |
| 13:52.12 | olafski | I rolled arms on my warrior, he's in mostly tank gear and still did 2500 dps.. and I have no clue what to do so I just pushed random buttons |
| 13:52.19 | Legorol | as i said, if he as much as had green dps pieces, i wouldn't have said anything |
| 13:52.20 | krka | well you should, dps is easy mode :) |
| 13:52.25 | DWSR | Legorol: lol, easy there miss tanksalot. Lemme replace you with my friend the DPS DK wearing Relentless. |
| 13:52.29 | krka | tank > heal > dps |
| 13:52.33 | Legorol | but imo missing two pieces shows complete lack of respect for other people's time and effort |
| 13:52.47 | DWSR | Legorol: He has a similar health pool, is crit immune, does good threat, and just wants to zerg burn the instance. |
| 13:52.50 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, a lot of people really don't realize that gear is important |
| 13:52.52 | Legorol | DWSR: relentless is fairly high level pvp gear, which is fairly good for tanking |
| 13:53.00 | Legorol | relentless is certainly *not* blue gear |
| 13:53.01 | ZorbaTHut | one of my friends went to try tanking with, I swear I'm not joking, two pieces of tank gear. |
| 13:53.02 | DWSR | Legorol: Yeah... but it's DPS gear. |
| 13:53.04 | foxlit | krka: I'm sure I can heal a *hunter pet* through some of those heroics. :) |
| 13:53.07 | krka | imo it's annoying being a hybrid class, need to gather three types of gear :/ |
| 13:53.08 | ZorbaTHut | needless to say it did not go well. |
| 13:53.10 | DWSR | Legorol: My point is essentially: QQ more. |
| 13:53.17 | Legorol | DWSR: no, resilience and stamina on it makes it quite good for tanking |
| 13:53.25 | DWSR | Legorol: Lower standards apply to DPS because there's 3 of them. |
| 13:53.27 | Legorol | and also it's pretty high level epic |
| 13:53.31 | ZorbaTHut | I wouldn't call resilience "quite good". |
| 13:53.35 | Legorol | DWSR: no, no lower standard applies to them |
| 13:53.36 | ZorbaTHut | I'd call it "barely acceptable". |
| 13:53.37 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: It makes you crit immune. |
| 13:53.37 | Wobin | relentless is decent pve tanking =P |
| 13:53.39 | olafski | well, better than intellect ;) |
| 13:53.39 | Legorol | that's exactly my point |
| 13:53.42 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, and that's all it does. |
| 13:53.46 | Legorol | why should lower standard apply to them? |
| 13:53.50 | Wobin | even if it's pvp dps |
| 13:53.51 | krka | because DPS is easy mode |
| 13:53.54 | DWSR | Legorol: Because there's 3 of them? |
| 13:53.57 | ZorbaTHut | someone with 520 def is in better shape than someone who's crit-immune through resilience. |
| 13:54.00 | foxlit | Legorol: because it's actually the same standard |
| 13:54.05 | foxlit | "Is your gear going to wipe this group?" |
| 13:54.05 | krka | people choose dps classes because they want to play easier |
| 13:54.07 | DWSR | And because DPS doesn't matter unless you're hitting the enrage timer or the limit of the healer's resources? |
| 13:54.10 | foxlit | == No ==> Okay then. |
| 13:54.11 | krka | people choose tanking classes for challenge |
| 13:54.16 | Legorol | the conclusion of the story: the group, who were initially reluctant to kick him, got the point when i started tanking in dps gear and the healer started moaning |
| 13:54.21 | Legorol | the healer was the first to agree to kick him at that point |
| 13:54.30 | Legorol | as an aside: the guy was pulling 478!!! dps |
| 13:54.39 | Wobin | was he sitting down? |
| 13:54.42 | DWSR | Legorol: Like I said, I kick people doing under 1k in any heroic. |
| 13:54.42 | ZorbaTHut | okay, that's an impressive amount of DPS. |
| 13:54.47 | krka | what's the proper dps meter these days? |
| 13:54.51 | DWSR | But past that, I don't really care. |
| 13:54.54 | krka | i should get one so i can figure out how i stand currently |
| 13:54.55 | olafski | legorol: really? if you would tank in dps gear to make a point I'd sooner kick _you_ :) |
| 13:54.56 | ZorbaTHut | (i mean, assuming that's not 478 factorial factorial factorial, which would be even more impressive in a different direction) |
| 13:54.59 | ZorbaTHut | krka, recount |
| 13:55.05 | foxlit | [There are reports that you might have issues with clever dps meters, but meh] |
| 13:55.11 | Legorol | olafski: my dps gear is T9, and is sufficient to tank trash on heroic |
| 13:55.17 | DWSR | Pushing like 5.5 or 6k DPS, I don't care. |
| 13:55.20 | Legorol | and i was topping the meter by far, making up for the lost dps from the guy |
| 13:55.25 | olafski | legorol: still, you were being annoying to make a point :) |
| 13:55.28 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 13:55.31 | Legorol | olafski: indeed i am |
| 13:55.37 | Wobin | just like DWSR was =) |
| 13:55.43 | Legorol | olafski: but consider this: if the guy has the right to decide what quality gear he joins in and does his job, so do i |
| 13:55.49 | Legorol | olafski: why am i being more annoying them him? |
| 13:55.54 | DWSR | Wobin: I wasn't being annoying. I was getting shit done. There's a bit of a difference. |
| 13:55.56 | Wobin | cause he started pulling to make a point =P |
| 13:56.00 | olafski | he's trying to wear the right gear :) |
| 13:56.08 | DWSR | Wobin: No I didn't. I started pulling to get my emblems. |
| 13:56.08 | Legorol | olafski: no he isn't |
| 13:56.12 | Legorol | olafski: he put on what he had, not the right gear |
| 13:56.16 | olafski | not hard enough in your opinion |
| 13:56.23 | Wobin | DWSR, I don't really care =) |
| 13:56.26 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, because you know better, and you're the one throwing a pissy fit. that's why you're being more annoying. :P |
| 13:56.26 | olafski | but you're actively doing what you're not supposed to do |
| 13:56.30 | Legorol | olafski: he could've spent a bit of time to put right gear on, even if green |
| 13:56.38 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: that's very true, touche |
| 13:56.52 | olafski | yeah keep saying that.. was green gear that much better than his blue(?) tanking gear? |
| 13:56.55 | DWSR | Wobin: Pulling in DPS gear is the equivalent of saying "fuck you". DPS chain pulling is the equivalent of saying "The tank needs to pick it the fuck up" |
| 13:57.01 | DWSR | Tank pulling in DPS gear* |
| 13:57.12 | Legorol | DWSR: both are saying to others that they are crap imo :P |
| 13:57.18 | Legorol | and both are disrespectful |
| 13:57.18 | olafski | I still say a dps doing chainpulls is saying "kick me please" |
| 13:57.22 | Wobin | DWSR, If you're dps, and you're taking damage, and the tank isn't even in combat... I'm not going to touch you, as a healer, with a 20 yard pole |
| 13:57.22 | foxlit | I wonder what healer pulling is equivalent to, then. |
| 13:57.35 | Legorol | healers are sacred :P |
| 13:57.36 | DWSR | Wobin: Come on now, you know how combat flagging works. |
| 13:57.40 | Wobin | healers aren't stupid like that |
| 13:57.42 | Legorol | we pamper them and they can do whatever the hell they want |
| 13:57.48 | Wobin | DWSR, ok, 60 yard pole =P |
| 13:57.50 | foxlit | Lies, I moonfire if you're too slow. |
| 13:57.59 | DWSR | foxlit: Had it happen in a few heroics. It was basically around the time that the tank suddenly left the group. |
| 13:58.04 | DWSR | If you catch my drift. |
| 13:58.14 | DWSR | Gogo holy paladin RF tanking =\ |
| 13:58.28 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: how would you have handled the situation, starting from the premise that you don't agree with the guy wearing two tanking pieces? |
| 13:58.40 | olafski | why do we need to start there? |
| 13:58.43 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 13:58.47 | olafski | why not one step earlier |
| 13:58.49 | DWSR | He obviously doesn't agree. |
| 13:59.11 | krka | does the LFD thingy try to match up with gear levels and stuff? |
| 13:59.18 | DWSR | Not as far as I know. |
| 13:59.25 | olafski | it does |
| 13:59.26 | olafski | or should |
| 13:59.38 | olafski | (should as in, they said it would) |
| 13:59.46 | Wobin | I think it does |
| 13:59.46 | Legorol | btw, my main point is this: if i were a dps and decided to respec tanking for a few runs, and put on basically blue/green tank gear, the group wouldn't go anywhere |
| 13:59.49 | DWSR | Legorol: Here's why DPS do not need to be as geared as the tank or healer in an instance: There's 1 tank, 1 healer, and _3_ DPS. |
| 13:59.54 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, if he's doing that little DPS, and it's holding us back significantly, vote to kick |
| 14:00.01 | DWSR | In order to make stuff die, you do not need to be geared, you just need to faceroll. |
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| 14:00.13 | ZorbaTHut | otherwise, just don't worry about it. I'm liable to spend more time arguing that he should be booted than I would just blazing through the instance. |
| 14:00.19 | DWSR | I look at it like DPS requiring 1/3rd the gear that tanks and healers need. |
| 14:00.35 | olafski | I don't look at gear either way |
| 14:00.38 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 14:00.40 | ZorbaTHut | I mean if we're doing groupwide 8000 DPS, and he's responsible for 500 of that, fuck it, let's just kill shit. |
| 14:00.45 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 14:00.49 | olafski | if I see a dps doing crap dps I'll likely be annoyed by it |
| 14:00.57 | olafski | if they do REALLY crap dps I will try to kick them |
| 14:01.01 | ZorbaTHut | I'll laugh about it to the guild afterwards but it is just not worth making a stink over. |
| 14:01.03 | Wobin | depends, really |
| 14:01.03 | Legorol | dwsr: so you think it's acceptable for someone to not put any effort into getting gear, and basically get carried for loot. |
| 14:01.04 | olafski | but I'm not going to inspect them beforehand and moan about it |
| 14:01.05 | Wobin | how far you're in |
| 14:01.09 | krka | Legorol: isn't it enough to just start killing stuff, and measuring everyones output, if he's way below you can kick him |
| 14:01.12 | DWSR | Legorol: It's heroics. It's not like the loot's worth anything. |
| 14:01.13 | Legorol | DWSR: you were the one that complained about chainpulling. not having gear as dps also wastes time |
| 14:01.15 | Wobin | and how long you have to wait for a replacement to run to where you are |
| 14:01.17 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, define "acceptable" |
| 14:01.19 | DWSR | Legorol: Welcome to world of casualcraft. |
| 14:01.23 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think it's worth my time to get annoyed at it. |
| 14:01.24 | DWSR | Legorol: No it doesn't. |
| 14:01.38 | krka | Legorol: what if, hypothetically, he could do twice the damage of anyone else in the group, even with crappy gear? |
| 14:01.43 | ZorbaTHut | if we're doing progression raiding, dude's ass is out of there. if we're going into HoR, booted. |
| 14:01.49 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 14:01.51 | DWSR | It depends where we are. |
| 14:01.55 | Wobin | I -like- HoR |
| 14:01.57 | ZorbaTHut | if we're blasting through UK for the ninth time, whatever. |
| 14:01.57 | Legorol | krka: matter of principle for me. |
| 14:01.59 | Wobin | It's actually a -challenge- |
| 14:02.06 | Legorol | You come in with 18 pieces of gear suited to your role. Not 17, not 14, not 10 |
| 14:02.06 | DWSR | Indeed Wobin |
| 14:02.08 | olafski | the "there are 3 of them anyway" reasoning is just BS of course |
| 14:02.11 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, sure, that's why I'd boot the guy. I'm not carrying someone with 500dps through HoR :) |
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| 14:02.13 | olafski | no real need to go into that :P |
| 14:02.15 | DWSR | olafski: How so? |
| 14:02.24 | Legorol | krka: i said repeatedly that if he had two *green* dps pieces i'd have said nothing |
| 14:02.26 | olafski | there's a reason they give us 5 spots for a dungeon and not 3 |
| 14:02.29 | DWSR | olafski: If 1 DPS can do 7 or 8 thousand DPS, why do the other two even need to be there? |
| 14:02.33 | olafski | and it's not that dps generally sucks so we need 3 of them to compensate |
| 14:02.36 | Legorol | my issue was not with the quality of his gear, but the type. |
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| 14:02.40 | Wobin | also, as the man said "Who needs enrage timers when you have -him- bearing down on you..." |
| 14:02.51 | DWSR | olafski: There is no reason that you need to do 1 tank, 1 healer, and 3 DPS. |
| 14:02.53 | Legorol | not having the right pieces for the role is disrespectful |
| 14:02.55 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, I mean, honestly, if I were doing a raid I'd be agreeing with you entirely - I'm the guy who gets pissed at people not flasking or having non-BiS enchants |
| 14:02.57 | olafski | legorol: why do you even bother inspecting him? |
| 14:02.58 | DWSR | olafski: It's just that that's the fastest way to kill stuff. |
| 14:03.09 | DWSR | olafski: You can run with 1 tank, 4 healers if you want. |
| 14:03.09 | Legorol | krka: otherwise, where do you draw the line? |
| 14:03.09 | Legorol | krka: would you give a naked dps a chance? |
| 14:03.14 | ZorbaTHut | but it's a heroic. if all three DPS literally fall asleep, I'm still gonna be out of there in half an hour. |
| 14:03.21 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: for you as well. Would you allow a naked dps? |
| 14:03.21 | krka | ok, what if, hypothetically, he had "proper" gear in the bank, but had figured out a way to output more damage using tank gear instead |
| 14:03.24 | Wobin | DWSR, Not really, unless they all queue as DPS =) |
| 14:03.25 | DWSR | olafski: 'There's 3 DPS' is a perfectly valid excuse. |
| 14:03.32 | olafski | if you say so dwsr |
| 14:03.32 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: if you don't allow a naked dps, at how many pieces do you draw the line? |
| 14:03.35 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, in a heroic? depends how annoyed I'm feeling. |
| 14:03.42 | olafski | but then again you also think chainpulling as dps is acceptable so I guess we're through :) |
| 14:03.46 | ZorbaTHut | again, if we're moving along pretty fast, I'm probably just gonna be laughing at how ballsy the dude is. |
| 14:03.48 | Legorol | krka: then he could say so when i ask him, and i'd stfu |
| 14:03.55 | krka | fair enough |
| 14:04.05 | ZorbaTHut | I mean sheesh, I heal heroics in my druid in caster form |
| 14:04.07 | Legorol | krka: in this case what he said was that he couldn't be bothered |
| 14:04.12 | olafski | srsly why not look at how he does and _then_ decide if you want to kick him |
| 14:04.14 | ZorbaTHut | so I can DPS when I'm bored |
| 14:04.18 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Feral spec'ed too, I imagine. Fucking druids. |
| 14:04.21 | Wobin | I dps when bored |
| 14:04.28 | Wobin | I really like fire nova spell now |
| 14:04.31 | DWSR | I tank when I'm bored. |
| 14:04.33 | Legorol | olafski: in this particular case, it all started because he himself commented on it as soon as we entered |
| 14:04.38 | DWSR | And no, that's not a fucking joke. Demo tanks well. |
| 14:05.30 | Legorol | olafski: i don't usually inspect, but when he says something weird, i have a look |
| 14:05.39 | Legorol | and when he is wearing two tank pieces gemmed with stamina, i don't go on |
| 14:05.57 | DWSR | It all comes down to this, Legorol. Heroics are a joke (excepting the new ones). As long as you can zerg it down in a reasonable time period without people dying every pull, who gives a flying fuck? |
| 14:05.57 | Legorol | how long would it take to go to wowhead, look up two random quests with green dps rewards, and do them? |
| 14:06.14 | olafski | maybe he has already done them? |
| 14:06.18 | Legorol | DWSR: again you are missing the point. The point is that one person is disrespecting the rest, and is getting carried. |
| 14:06.24 | Legorol | It's supposed to be a 5-player game, not 4. |
| 14:06.24 | olafski | maybe he's been a tank all his life and vendored everything that isn't tank gear |
| 14:06.29 | krka | i wish gear would come named with "DPS" "Tank" or "heal" |
| 14:06.38 | krka | instead i have to guess based on the stats |
| 14:06.40 | Wobin | That's why I hate occulus |
| 14:06.40 | DWSR | Legorol: then why are there achieves such as 'the Party's Over' and 'Less is More' |
| 14:06.45 | olafski | legorol: and I still say green dps gear is hardly better than blue tank gear |
| 14:06.49 | Legorol | olafski: then he could say so. Besides, as i said earlier, there are two cheap and easy craftable pieces for each slot too. |
| 14:06.54 | Legorol | just blue and green ones |
| 14:06.57 | Wobin | cause most of it doesn't take what the dps can output into consideration |
| 14:07.03 | Legorol | He was fundamentally lazy |
| 14:07.17 | ZorbaTHut | krka, it's generally not too hard |
| 14:07.20 | foxlit | Yet I don't feel obliged to fix other people's laziness unless it affects me directly |
| 14:07.28 | krka | btw, if you join a LFD with several roles, do you get notified which role you got in as? |
| 14:07.32 | DWSR | yes |
| 14:07.32 | olafski | yes |
| 14:07.33 | krka | or is it just "you have a group" |
| 14:07.36 | krka | cool |
| 14:07.37 | Legorol | well if the guy wasn't lazy, the instance would clear faster |
| 14:07.37 | Legorol | so it affects me |
| 14:07.41 | olafski | it shows on the invite as well as on your unit frame when you're in |
| 14:07.43 | Wobin | hm, what Blizzard should do is allow people to choose what achievement they'd like to try for, especially in raids |
| 14:07.44 | ZorbaTHut | def/dodge/parry: tank. spirit/mp5: heal. |
| 14:07.50 | Legorol | LFD: <3 <3 <3 |
| 14:07.53 | krka | so you have a few minutes to get the right gear from the bank |
| 14:07.55 | ZorbaTHut | then just see from there whether it's spelldps or physdps. |
| 14:08.05 | ZorbaTHut | krka, I just carry around all my gear with me |
| 14:08.06 | Legorol | krka: the popup doesn't stay that long |
| 14:08.06 | Legorol | i think it's only 1 or 2 minutes |
| 14:08.07 | DWSR | Legorol: There's a cost/benefit ratio. At some point, becomes a better use of your time to just bomb through the instance at lightspeed. |
| 14:08.12 | Wobin | like it'll match up 8 people for Less is More or something |
| 14:08.16 | krka | oh |
| 14:08.20 | krka | i have all my healing gear in the bank |
| 14:08.35 | krka | even so, i'm constantly using 90 of 96 slots :/ |
| 14:08.36 | DWSR | s/becomes/it becomes/ |
| 14:08.38 | Wobin | so accept it |
| 14:08.39 | olafski | krka: if you sign up as healer/dps, it's a pretty safe bet you'll get in as healer :P |
| 14:08.40 | Wobin | then teleport back |
| 14:08.43 | ZorbaTHut | krka, man, what on earth are you using that on? |
| 14:08.45 | Wobin | olafski, so true =) |
| 14:08.53 | Legorol | DWSR: I understand and accept your point. For me it's a matter of principle which is more important than clearing quickly. |
| 14:08.57 | krka | dunno... random herbing and quest items |
| 14:09.03 | Wobin | but really, accept the dungeon, then say "I need to get my healing gear" and port back |
| 14:09.06 | DWSR | I tend to agree with Zorba. |
| 14:09.06 | ZorbaTHut | (also you can get another 16 slots now :D) |
| 14:09.25 | Legorol | wobin made a good point, once you accept the dungeon, you can freely teleport in/out |
| 14:09.26 | Wobin | I really like the direct back and forth porting |
| 14:09.27 | DWSR | If the person's performance isn't so horrible that it's causing me to bang my head in frustration, I don't care. |
| 14:09.30 | olafski | another 16 slots wut? |
| 14:09.36 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, 24-slot bags |
| 14:09.40 | DWSR | olafski: all 24s |
| 14:09.41 | krka | oh, you can? |
| 14:09.41 | krka | how? |
| 14:09.47 | Wobin | click on the LFD eue |
| 14:09.47 | krka | HS to Dalaran? |
| 14:09.48 | Wobin | eye |
| 14:09.52 | olafski | oh like that |
| 14:09.52 | Wobin | nope |
| 14:09.53 | olafski | hmm. |
| 14:09.57 | olafski | papa's brand new bag shows as 22 slots on wowhead |
| 14:10.00 | ZorbaTHut | krka's got 20-slotters |
| 14:10.00 | Wobin | it's a free teleport |
| 14:10.00 | Legorol | dwsr: you just said you got upset over a tank not chainpulling. So that counts as horrible performance in your book? |
| 14:10.03 | olafski | I was quite sure when it dropped it was 22 slot |
| 14:10.03 | DWSR | olafski: It is. |
| 14:10.07 | olafski | ehh. 20 |
| 14:10.09 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, look up Portable Hole |
| 14:10.10 | Wobin | Papa |
| 14:10.11 | krka | yup, i have 16 + 20*4 |
| 14:10.15 | Wobin | 's new bag is a 20 |
| 14:10.19 | ZorbaTHut | 24 sexy, sexy slots. |
| 14:10.19 | DWSR | Legorol: No, that counts as not following directions. We asked to start chain pulling in the beginning of the instance. |
| 14:10.20 | Wobin | I think |
| 14:10.26 | olafski | zorbathut: yeah I know it.. was just on about the new bag which is epic but really not large |
| 14:10.32 | DWSR | Legorol: Healer asked, I asked. Tank not following directions is fail. |
| 14:10.41 | ZorbaTHut | I dunno, 22 was epic before. Gigantique. |
| 14:10.51 | Legorol | dwsr: so why is not following directions in that sense is different from my case? You told the tank to chainpull. I told the dps to put on dps gear. |
| 14:10.55 | olafski | zorbathut: yeah, but this one is 20 slots |
| 14:11.00 | ZorbaTHut | ah, true |
| 14:11.01 | olafski | I'm 90% sure of it anyway |
| 14:11.01 | DWSR | Legorol: He did, you didn't like it. |
| 14:11.03 | Legorol | dwsr: I fail to see the difference :P (ok i see the difference, but there are also similarities) |
| 14:11.20 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, I did admittedly kick a ret pally once because he refused to turn his tanking aura off |
| 14:11.23 | Legorol | dwsr: no, he didn't. He said "i don't have dps pieces for that slot, that's why i'm using tank pieces" |
| 14:11.27 | DWSR | Legorol: the only similarity is the fact that we both were aggravated by it and became irritating and irritated. |
| 14:11.31 | Legorol | dwsr: he made no attempt to argue that those pieces are suitable for dps |
| 14:11.33 | ZorbaTHut | well okay that was part of it. the second part was because he was spending more time spewing insults than DPSing |
| 14:11.41 | DWSR | Legorol: I wouldn't either. they're obviously not. |
| 14:11.42 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: oooh that reminds me |
| 14:11.50 | DWSR | Legorol: Would you rather he lie and try to pass them off as being suitable? |
| 14:11.56 | Legorol | i had a holy pali who refused to turn his RF off |
| 14:11.58 | DWSR | Or would you rather him be honest and say "I don't have anything better" |
| 14:11.59 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 14:12.03 | DWSR | Legorol: You realize that's a talent right? |
| 14:12.06 | Legorol | when i asked him why, his answer was: "it's 6% more damage to the party" |
| 14:12.13 | DWSR | Legorol: That holy paladins should have on like all the time? |
| 14:12.23 | Legorol | i was like WTF?? |
| 14:12.23 | Legorol | he also insisted on pulling all the time |
| 14:12.29 | Legorol | even after i asked him not to |
| 14:12.31 | Legorol | so i let him die |
| 14:12.35 | DWSR | Legorol: chain pull more. |
| 14:12.35 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, my dude insisted that righteous fury was 80% more damage |
| 14:12.40 | Wobin | it's a good learning lesson |
| 14:12.52 | DWSR | Legorol: When people start telling you to chain pull, fucking chain pull. =\ It's pretty simple. |
| 14:13.00 | DWSR | If it turns out you can't handle it, you have oh shit buttons. |
| 14:13.06 | DWSR | Until then, rock out with your cock out, end of story. |
| 14:13.08 | Wobin | and if you wipe and die, then you win =) |
| 14:13.13 | Legorol | dwsr: let's reverse that. Why do you have more right to decide how to pull then the tank does? |
| 14:13.19 | Legorol | dwsr: why is your word superior than his/hers? |
| 14:13.23 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I've occasionally gotten a healer yelling at me for pulling before they got there |
| 14:13.29 | Wobin | because he's a warlock |
| 14:13.30 | Legorol | dwsr: when people start telling you NOT to pull, you should stop, by that argument :P |
| 14:13.31 | Wobin | and a demo spec |
| 14:13.34 | ZorbaTHut | but it's like, dude, I was down to 50% health and I had three panic buttons left |
| 14:13.39 | Wobin | and he's a legend in his own lunchbox |
| 14:13.40 | DWSR | Legorol: She never told me not to pull, she just stopped pulling. |
| 14:13.48 | ZorbaTHut | I've tanked entire bosses down without heals. I can manage this trash. |
| 14:13.51 | DWSR | Not "stop pulling", just nothing. |
| 14:13.53 | Legorol | i'm afraid i have to go to lunch, so i have to leave this exciting discussion |
| 14:13.56 | Legorol | catch you guys later |
| 14:14.01 | krka | lunch this late? |
| 14:14.09 | olafski | why not ;) |
| 14:14.11 | Wobin | lunch this early? |
| 14:14.14 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I know, I've had healers that just go "huh, wonder how long this group can go without heals" |
| 14:14.38 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Which is why I constantly am amazed at tanks that don't chain pull. Zerg some badges, get some DE mats, leave, rinse repeat. |
| 14:14.46 | Wobin | DWSR, quite some time, from my experience |
| 14:14.49 | DWSR | Why do you want to spend more time/effort than is neccessary? Normally I have MSN on my other computer. |
| 14:15.12 | DWSR | I'm like not even paying attention, just rolling on my 2 key and gogo. |
| 14:15.14 | Wobin | however, I get quite narky at dps who can't control their aggro |
| 14:15.19 | DWSR | Tab 22222222, tab 22222222. |
| 14:15.22 | Wobin | and I have to spend mana chain healing the mage |
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| 14:15.47 | Wobin | I'm like, ffs, it's a fucking pally tank. Give her a few -more- seconds before aoeing |
| 14:15.48 | DWSR | Wobin: Whenever I pull aggro, there's nothing I or the tank can do about it. It's almost always a string of 3+ >20k Soulfire crits. |
| 14:15.50 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I have to admit that after switching to healer I was amazed at how little damage people take |
| 14:15.59 | ZorbaTHut | I always felt like, hey, my health's jumping up and down, I must be taking a ton of damage |
| 14:16.06 | ZorbaTHut | turns out, nope |
| 14:16.33 | ZorbaTHut | half the time I'm just sitting there watching the tank parry everything, and it's not like the dps is taking a bit. guess it's time to start starfiring |
| 14:16.40 | ZorbaTHut | or starfall or whatever it is |
| 14:16.48 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut, I do that... |
| 14:16.53 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: My favourite is the tanks who decide that the healer needs full mana. |
| 14:16.57 | DWSR | before they pull again |
| 14:16.57 | Wobin | flame shock, lava lash, chain lightning, fire nova... |
| 14:17.05 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, ugh, I had a healer who insisted they needed full mana |
| 14:17.11 | foxlit | I rarely leave full mana state :/ |
| 14:17.11 | DWSR | oh my god. |
| 14:17.27 | nevcairiel | i barely drink in heroics |
| 14:17.31 | Wobin | since the lfd, I've only ever had to pull out mana tide once |
| 14:17.34 | ZorbaTHut | I was like, y'know, I could claim I was going to give you full mana after every pull. but I'm not gonna. so either leave or stick around. |
| 14:17.34 | DWSR | When I get to those people I pull the closest set of trash right on top of the group |
| 14:17.43 | Wobin | and that was in HoL when we pulled two packs and the first boss |
| 14:17.50 | DWSR | And hope there's a cleaving mob in there somewhere. |
| 14:18.01 | ZorbaTHut | they left. I actually ran into them six months later in a raiding guild and they'd gotten pretty competent. :) |
| 14:18.21 | Wobin | Did they still require full mana? =) |
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| 14:18.35 | ZorbaTHut | nope :) |
| 14:18.54 | Wobin | In any case, a tank and a healer can generally get a good feel to each other's limitations after the first few trash pulls |
| 14:19.03 | Wobin | and then zerg from there |
| 14:19.20 | DWSR | Wobin: You can generally get a good feel for the limitations by looking at HP/mana bars. |
| 14:19.21 | DWSR | Wobin: Skill level is different. |
| 14:19.31 | DWSR | For example, pally tanks failing on AoE threat. |
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| 14:22.32 | DWSR | Also, warrior tanks not using vigilance. |
| 14:22.32 | DWSR | Like, whenever I have a warrior tank, I demand Vigilance. because I will pull. |
| 14:22.32 | DWSR | And it's got nothign to do with being bad. |
| 14:22.32 | DWSR | It's got to do with the fact that I can 20k crit off the top of it and it's purely RNG based. |
| 14:23.03 | Wobin | and mages not using arcane focus |
| 14:23.03 | Wobin | or whatever that thing is =P |
| 14:23.03 | DWSR | So Vigilance is a nice little insurance policy. |
| 14:24.22 | Wobin | Vigilence is -awesome- on Gluth |
| 14:24.22 | Wobin | as an aside |
| 14:24.33 | Wobin | if you're a kiting warrior |
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| 14:39.22 | Kraps | joins are green, quits are orange, nick changes are blue, chat is alternating gray on gray and black on gray |
| 14:40.28 | krka | i was reading that and just waited for "<foo> is <bar> and so are you" :/ |
| 14:40.46 | Elkano | Roses are red, Violets are blue... you can't rhyme and neither can I... |
| 14:42.59 | olafski | zorbathut: ah, there is a Papa's New Bag and Papa's Brand New Bag :) |
| 14:44.04 | Kalroth | what about Papa's Old Hag? |
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| 14:45.27 | Elkano | your mum? |
| 14:45.30 | Kraps | i think he has better taste |
| 14:45.31 | Wobin | She's a 16 slotter |
| 14:48.31 | Kraps | Wobin: wtf does that even mean? |
| 14:49.03 | olafski | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dantes_sand_castle.jpg :O |
| 14:49.40 | jnwhiteh | WHOA |
| 14:49.42 | jnwhiteh | since when |
| 14:49.43 | Wobin | Kraps, I'll tell you when you're older |
| 14:49.48 | jnwhiteh | does lifebloom refund mana? |
| 14:49.54 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: for ever |
| 14:49.56 | nevcairiel | 3.1 ? |
| 14:50.00 | nevcairiel | i think |
| 14:50.04 | jnwhiteh | really? |
| 14:50.05 | jnwhiteh | lol |
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| 14:50.26 | jnwhiteh | whats your primary, rejuv or lifebloom? |
| 14:50.31 | Wobin | olafski, that's pretty fucking awesome |
| 14:50.34 | nevcairiel | rejuv |
| 14:50.37 | nevcairiel | lifebloom is too expensive |
| 14:50.45 | jnwhiteh | yeah i guess |
| 14:50.53 | jnwhiteh | but you get so much back =) |
| 14:50.57 | nevcairiel | i only throw it on tanks for some extra heal |
| 14:51.09 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 14:52.15 | olafski | wobin: yep.. that must have taken a while.. incredible detail |
| 14:52.52 | nevcairiel | I got this new trinket from the new heroics, which refunds mana on heals .. it proc on every HoT tic, with wildgrowth thats awesome, returns like 60% of the spells cost =P |
| 14:52.58 | nevcairiel | but also nice for other hots |
| 14:53.31 | Wobin | ooo? |
| 14:53.43 | Wobin | what's it called, and where from? |
| 14:53.47 | Kalroth | I got the hots for you, nevnev |
| 14:53.50 | nevcairiel | HoR i think |
| 14:53.56 | Wobin | ugh =P |
| 14:54.01 | Wobin | the one instance I can't farm =) |
| 14:54.08 | nevcairiel | ephemeral snowflake |
| 14:54.10 | olafski | ephemeral snowflake? |
| 14:54.11 | olafski | :) |
| 14:54.15 | Kalroth | they fixed that, didn't they? |
| 14:54.19 | olafski | only the haxxy part |
| 14:54.24 | olafski | I imagine it works as intended now |
| 14:54.26 | nevcairiel | fixed what? |
| 14:54.34 | olafski | shadowpriests got a lot of mana with vampiric embrace |
| 14:54.38 | Kalroth | snowflake used to return mana on every tick of a hot |
| 14:54.39 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 14:54.40 | olafski | so they added a really small cooldown |
| 14:54.45 | nevcairiel | still does, Kalroth |
| 14:54.48 | Kalroth | oh |
| 14:54.58 | Wobin | 11 mana each time you heal someone |
| 14:55.06 | olafski | yeah, but if you use circle of healing, it will only give you 11 mana once |
| 14:55.09 | nevcairiel | ah maybe thats why the mana thing didnt explode after hotting a whole raid |
| 14:55.13 | nevcairiel | maybe i hit the cooldown there |
| 14:55.15 | Kalroth | yeah, I'm pretty sure it doesn't give you 5 procs for each tick of WG |
| 14:55.28 | nevcairiel | it used to yesterday =( |
| 14:55.32 | nevcairiel | or saturday, actually |
| 14:55.34 | nevcairiel | when i got it |
| 14:56.14 | nevcairiel | i don't want to keep it anyway, but lack of better trinkets right now |
| 14:56.19 | nevcairiel | dont like on-use stuff |
| 14:56.21 | mikma | what's the site where you can see the most used raiding specs |
| 14:57.20 | Wobin | sotrue =( |
| 14:57.24 | Wobin | onuse never does |
| 14:57.43 | nevcairiel | a onuse that refunds mana when triggered i could live with |
| 14:57.48 | nevcairiel | but a haste or sp bonus .. naah |
| 14:58.04 | nevcairiel | thats something for dpsers |
| 14:58.33 | Kalroth | "The Ephemeral Snowflake trinket now has a very short cooldown to prevent it from restoring inappropriately large amounts of mana." and that was hotfixed uhhhm Thursday last week |
| 14:58.38 | olafski | agreed, onuse is annoying for healing |
| 15:00.41 | foxlit | grrr, |t screws up text rendering. |
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| 15:04.21 | mikma | c'mon folks, what's the site? :O |
| 15:06.46 | Kalroth | what site |
| 15:07.29 | Wobin | <mikma> what's the site where you can see the most used raiding specs |
| 15:10.14 | foxlit | wowpopular.com |
| 15:11.20 | foxlit | I wonder if you take durability damage while casting. |
| 15:11.38 | olafski | you take durability damage just for being in combat I think? |
| 15:11.58 | foxlit | That might be it, too. |
| 15:12.19 | olafski | http://www.wowwiki.com/Durability#What_reduces_durability.3F |
| 15:12.33 | olafski | combat, hitting, spellcasting, being hit, dying, spirit healer |
| 15:12.40 | airtonix | whats the difference between expensive cars and porcupines? |
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| 15:15.59 | olafski | hm. you don't lose durability if steelbreaker kills you with his mechanic? didn't know that |
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| 15:17.38 | foxlit | Generally, suicides don't count. |
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| 15:18.54 | Wobin | airtonix, with porcupines, the pricks are on the outside? |
| 15:19.04 | airtonix | :) |
| 15:19.20 | airtonix | the boss who lead from the read takes it in the rear |
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| 15:21.55 | Wobin | rofl http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/091214.html |
| 15:22.14 | olafski | foxlit: on vaelastrasz they counted iirc :< |
| 15:22.37 | foxlit | no |
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| 15:23.59 | olafski | hm |
| 15:24.55 | Kalroth | http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Oracle-Corporation-NASDAQ-ORCL-1090000.html yeah right, thats going to happend |
| 15:24.58 | Wobin | also |
| 15:25.00 | Wobin | http://vimeo.com/8121722 |
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| 15:25.09 | Wobin | A man in a chicken suit playing What Is Love |
| 15:25.19 | Wobin | Your day will not get any more complete than this |
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| 15:31.37 | foxlit | Wobin: needs some lyrics from this guy: v |
| 15:31.38 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL_-1d9OSdk |
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| 15:35.53 | Seerah | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 15:36.42 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Seerah. Hoppy Maundy. |
| 15:37.01 | airtonix | hey meester hero. |
| 15:37.28 | foxlit | "You have new calendar invites" Lies! |
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| 15:40.06 | Lopeppeppy | Rosiekins Frankencat is off at the vet this morning, I'm a nervous mommy waiting to hear how things go... |
| 15:41.01 | Seerah | she'll be okay :) she's a frankencat ;) |
| 15:41.38 | Lopeppeppy | It's a consult for her skin graft, so I'm all nerves that I couldn't take her myself to hear what the vet has to say. |
| 15:42.29 | Lopeppeppy | My cat has many adventures. |
| 15:42.55 | Kraps | hey a patch |
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| 16:10.38 | Kandoko | Anyone else just get punted from the servers and unable to log back in? Or did it really despise my poor skills at coroutine creation :) |
| 16:13.44 | Seerah | Kandoko: I know the servers were doing restarts today. Also, you can't create a coroutine in WoW - it's single threaded. |
| 16:14.39 | cog|work | RAWR |
| 16:15.11 | Lopeppeppy | meow |
| 16:15.15 | cog|work | purr |
| 16:15.58 | Kandoko | Seerah: Just adding a lua coroutine to beancounter to try and fix some DC issues reported :). Ill assume that was a server hiccup and continue testing. |
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| 16:51.16 | Yssaril | anyone know what that patch was about? |
| 16:53.52 | Kraps | why did they change MDs animation? |
| 16:57.03 | kdtresh | because if you're not changing, you're falling behind |
| 16:58.07 | AbsolutRayne | :( |
| 16:58.35 | Kraps | kdtresh: do you know what the change is? |
| 16:59.06 | kdtresh | no clue |
| 16:59.36 | kdtresh | i think they made it so it's like a few second window that all damage is counted toward the md target, rather than just the first attack |
| 16:59.42 | kdtresh | but animation-wise, no idea |
| 17:00.25 | Kraps | it does the swirly thing, but on the hunter only, no matter who the target is |
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| 17:01.44 | kdtresh | my highest hunter got to lv10 before i deleted him |
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| 17:05.27 | Kraps | kdtresh: its annoying no matter what, because you cant tell if the hunter is messing it up |
| 17:09.56 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. Feeling alive again? |
| 17:10.11 | Lunessa | No. *zombie shuffle* Braaaains |
| 17:10.42 | Vilkku | hate to keep asking questions like these, but |
| 17:10.58 | Vilkku | does anyone know an alternative/replacement to EavesDrop (http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=533)? |
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| 17:13.12 | EthanCentaurai | @project cascade |
| 17:13.12 | Repo | EthanCentaurai: http://www.wowace.com/addons/cascade/. Cascade. Game: WoW. Status: Experimental. Turkleton (Manager/Author). Updated: 4 hours ago |
| 17:13.19 | EthanCentaurai | Vilkku: ^^ |
| 17:13.34 | Vilkku | zomgpops |
| 17:13.50 | Vilkku | EthanCentaurai, got anything to do with the project? |
| 17:13.52 | Lopeppeppy | Vilkku, I use MSBT I think, there's also Parrot. |
| 17:14.06 | EthanCentaurai | no, I just remembered seeing it |
| 17:14.28 | Vilkku | Lopeppeppy, it's not really a scrolling combat text (I actually use both SCT and EavesDrop at the same time), it's more of a simplified combat log |
| 17:14.42 | Vilkku | show outgoing and incoming to you, nobody else |
| 17:14.44 | Kraps | %%c |
| 17:14.55 | Vilkku | and keeps it on the screen, I guess that is the main feature I want |
| 17:14.57 | Kraps | %%c fdfdfd %%c |
| 17:15.54 | Gnarfoz | Vilkku: question is, why do you want a replacement for EavesDrop? |
| 17:16.15 | Vilkku | Gnarfoz, it is working, but it is only being maintained, not properly updated |
| 17:16.26 | Gnarfoz | well, what is missing? (I'm using it, too, I'm curious) |
| 17:16.33 | Vilkku | example of annoyance: you can filter power gain, but only to 500 |
| 17:16.51 | Vilkku | (using the UI at least) |
| 17:17.18 | Vilkku | 500 was enough back in the day, but hardly anymore |
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| 17:22.36 | xqo | Hi! Is eepanels no longer around? |
| 17:23.31 | Seerah | xqo: it was abandoned a LONG time ago. it's successor is kgPanels (or you can give LitePanels a try) |
| 17:24.51 | kdtresh | is cartographer officially done? |
| 17:25.06 | nevcairiel | its inofficially dead :d |
| 17:25.27 | Seerah | it's been "inofficially dead" for some time, too ;) |
| 17:26.09 | kdtresh | been working fine for me until 3.3 |
| 17:26.21 | kdtresh | but now i guess i'm rolling with mapster and cromulent |
| 17:27.14 | nevcairiel | yeah 3.3 finally killed it |
| 17:27.42 | kdtresh | ugh, cenarius must have rebooted |
| 17:28.14 | kdtresh | every time the cache is cleared, my getall scans start bombing out |
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| 17:38.38 | Lunessa | In that case, I'll have the chicken. |
| 17:39.37 | Yssaril | kdtresh: all servers rebooted fyi |
| 17:39.58 | cog|work | hai Lunessa |
| 17:40.12 | Lunessa | o hai? |
| 17:40.36 | kdtresh | Yssaril: i assumed as much when it did the same thing on uldum |
| 17:40.57 | cog|work | Lunessa: tanked FoS last night with jarl... was a hoot |
| 17:41.07 | Yssaril | kdtresh: didn't you notice patch 3.3.0a went out? |
| 17:42.46 | cog|work | and yes, almost stopped my heart a couple times >< |
| 17:45.22 | kdtresh | no, i opened the launcher amid multiple things and when i finally got around to it, all i saw was "your computer appears to be behind a firewall" |
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| 17:48.56 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. I let my computer download overnight, because it has always thought it was behind a firewall, no matter what I do. |
| 17:52.06 | haste | maybe it's always behind..... |
| 17:52.09 | haste | the windows firefwall! |
| 17:52.45 | kdtresh | must not have been a big patch, it was downloaded and installed in a minute |
| 17:53.13 | Polarina | How does the GetQuestsCompleted function work? |
| 17:54.58 | Lopeppeppy | kdtresh, did you pre-download? |
| 17:55.26 | Lopeppeppy | haste, the baby is NOT firewalled, trust me. It's just hateful in the extreme. Always has been. |
| 17:55.49 | kdtresh | Lopeppeppy: unless it was completely downloaded before friday at noon, no |
| 17:56.14 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, wait, new patch thing. Gotcha, hotfix. |
| 17:56.20 | Lopeppeppy | My brain, she is mush. |
| 17:56.49 | kdtresh | ah, so no more "click here to save a copy of this message" for AH stuff anymore |
| 17:58.33 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that's awesome. |
| 17:58.49 | Lunessa | Polarina: It shoots back a list of ids. |
| 17:58.55 | theorbtwo | Huh. I don't remember it having those before. |
| 17:59.07 | kdtresh | they arrived with 3.3 |
| 18:00.13 | theorbtwo | That'd explain it. |
| 18:02.57 | Arrowmaster | omfg @ dexter season 4 finale |
| 18:03.10 | Arrowmaster | did not expect that |
| 18:04.26 | theorbtwo | Arrowmaster: It turned out to all be the dream of a low-functioning autistic in a hospital? |
| 18:04.49 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 18:05.54 | kdtresh | it was old man withers, the guy who runs the amusement park? |
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| 18:22.03 | Lunessa | Interesting read: http://www.randsinrepose.com/archives/2009/12/13/gaming_the_system.html |
| 18:23.26 | cog|work | "You might be a redneck if you think the Northern Lights are low-tar cigarettes" |
| 18:26.08 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: huh. QA just offered to start cancelling after doing a post run (it scanned, finished posting and then offered to cancel oO and it's cancelling exactly the auctions I just posted :D) |
| 18:31.17 | Shirik | man, this picture I've been working on for 3 days is so close to done |
| 18:31.29 | Shirik | but it's got this wierd skew to it that I have no idea how to correct |
| 18:31.41 | Shirik | almost invisible but I can see it |
| 18:34.07 | Lopeppeppy | Skew = artistic mode! Breathe, dear. |
| 18:34.29 | Gnarfoz | Skew = annoying :P |
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| 18:39.59 | Shirik | no Lop |
| 18:40.03 | Shirik | bah where did she go |
| 18:41.50 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 18:55.53 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGLPbSMxSUM&annotation_id=annotation_116107&feature=iv |
| 18:57.02 | AbsolutRayne | I love the Venture Brothers....oh so much |
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| 18:58.24 | Shirik | tackles Kraps |
| 18:59.18 | Kraps | uses a Batman countermove and kicks Shirik in the nuts |
| 19:02.30 | Shirik | ow :( |
| 19:03.10 | Thunder_Child | serves you right for not wearing a cup |
| 19:03.21 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:05.07 | Kraps | batman in the game has a few nut-cracking moves |
| 19:06.07 | foxlit | But seriously, why is the calendar icon flashing a questionmark? |
| 19:06.25 | Seerah | foxlit: you have an invite |
| 19:06.37 | foxlit | Seerah: and yet I don't see any raids. |
| 19:06.41 | foxlit | or events. |
| 19:06.58 | Seerah | shrugs :) |
| 19:07.44 | foxlit | Can I coax it to reveal what it's on about? |
| 19:07.45 | Seerah | foxlit: did you try this? http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CalendarGetNumPendingInvites |
| 19:08.02 | foxlit | 1, Seerah |
| 19:09.15 | Seerah | there's this, foxlit: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CalendarEventGetInvite |
| 19:09.23 | NightHawkTheSane | *cries* |
| 19:09.34 | Seerah | hands NHTS chocolate |
| 19:09.51 | foxlit | Seerah: returns no useful information; indistinguishable from passing it a, say, 42 |
| 19:10.01 | NightHawkTheSane | coworker is convinced that because his mac can use apt-get, my php package for ubuntu will work on his machine. >< |
| 19:10.23 | Seerah | :( |
| 19:11.30 | Thunder_Child | and this is your problem why NightHawkTheSane? |
| 19:14.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: it's not, but i have to work with him :P |
| 19:15.02 | Dagmar | Well, you haven't said anything that would rule it out, either. |
| 19:15.06 | Dagmar | It's possible he has an Intel mac |
| 19:15.39 | Dagmar | ...and on the other hand, it ain't your problem if he screws up _his_ workstation. :) |
| 19:15.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: i'm 95% certain that you can't take a package built for unbuntu, and suddenly make it work on a mac. |
| 19:16.08 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: If he's running Linux it's possible |
| 19:16.16 | Dagmar | _Is_ he running Linux on it? |
| 19:16.16 | NightHawkTheSane | he's running osx. :P |
| 19:16.19 | Dagmar | Then he's buggered. |
| 19:16.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i -know- |
| 19:16.32 | Dagmar | Tell him "L@FINK NOOB" |
| 19:16.35 | Dagmar | er L2 |
| 19:16.48 | NightHawkTheSane | i tried to explain that the package i installed was for unbuntu, and won't work for him, but he's like "well let me google it, maybe i can find something" |
| 19:16.52 | Thunder_Child | i thinks it's more that NightHawkTheSane has to work with an idiot |
| 19:17.03 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Generally not, but the port is 'short' - however he could just install VMWare and run Ubuntu |
| 19:17.26 | Lunessa | (note, "short" is in quotes because it's not really 'short' or 'trivial') |
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| 19:17.39 | Dagmar | I'd like to know who *isn't* having to work with idiots, and if so, do they have any positions open |
| 19:17.56 | NightHawkTheSane | specifically, the problem is that his php install (MAMP) does not include the PCNTL extension, and he's too wussy to just compile his own php. |
| 19:17.58 | KarlKFI|work | idiots are everywhere |
| 19:18.02 | Lunessa | Idiots = job security |
| 19:18.15 | NightHawkTheSane | so he's like "well you have it, where did you get it" >< |
| 19:18.29 | Dagmar | That depends upon how acclimated said idiots are to bureaucracy |
| 19:18.49 | Lunessa | Can it be time for my next pain med dose plx? thnx |
| 19:18.53 | Dagmar | I've got some email admins I'd like to seriously slap around right now because they keep trying to claim failed checks on one of their services is a "slow test" |
| 19:19.34 | Dagmar | The fact of the matter is that if a machine monitoring it which is two hops away can't get an answer from a TCP port in 10s it's not a "slow test" it's an _unresponsive daemon_ according to the metrics they set forth |
| 19:20.30 | Dagmar | THat department is somewhat letting them pile up like plauque |
| 19:20.37 | Dagmar | ...but with fewer spurious u's |
| 19:20.59 | AbsolutRayne | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-YQ-svmjjQ |
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| 19:21.26 | Yssaril | anyone know how long you stay on the blacklist for querying too many bad itemlinks after you get DCed? |
| 19:23.05 | Shirik | What is this 3.3.0a? |
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| 19:23.54 | Seerah | Like 3.2.2a |
| 19:24.04 | Yssaril | idk (though hope its a fix for the map taint problem) |
| 19:24.05 | Seerah | was a hotfix yesterday |
| 19:24.13 | Shirik | but why :P |
| 19:24.20 | Seerah | ohhhh you said what :p |
| 19:24.27 | Seerah | :D |
| 19:24.45 | Seerah | the patcher said there were note in the general forum, but I didn't see any yesterday |
| 19:25.40 | mikma | 3.3.0a? |
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| 19:26.53 | Yssaril | ahh here it is some mac fixes http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21726117708&sid=1 |
| 19:27.31 | Seerah | thanks, Yssaril :) |
| 19:27.41 | nevcairiel | *only* mac fixes? |
| 19:27.46 | Shadowed | yea I noticed that Gnarfoz |
| 19:28.09 | nevcairiel | do PC users even get the patch then? |
| 19:28.13 | nevcairiel | I didnt, but i'm EU, so shrug |
| 19:28.17 | Shadowed | yes they do |
| 19:28.26 | Shadowed | It basically backed up stuff and was done thought |
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| 19:28.32 | Yssaril | nevcairiel: seams like it havent seen a UI difff yet to see if they snuck in any changes there |
| 19:28.37 | Shadowed | They didn't |
| 19:28.39 | Shadowed | checked already |
| 19:28.45 | Yssaril | kk |
| 19:28.55 | nevcairiel | probably just a new .exe |
| 19:28.58 | nevcairiel | for the fixes |
| 19:29.11 | Yssaril | nevcairiel: yea PC people also got the "fix" |
| 19:29.28 | Yssaril | probably to keep the build numbers the same |
| 19:30.15 | nevcairiel | i guess just EU didnt yet, then |
| 19:33.27 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I did |
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| 19:33.46 | Shirik | it probably just bumps the build number |
| 19:33.51 | Shirik | to keep the server happy |
| 19:37.04 | Fisker | Actually believe they once had a mac only patch |
| 19:37.08 | Fisker | so your assertion is lulz |
| 19:37.50 | KarlKFI|work | they have before on wow and other games |
| 19:38.08 | KarlKFI|work | so there must have beena pc fix too somehwere |
| 19:39.30 | KarlKFI|work | anyone have any cool coworkers i can borrow? |
| 19:39.36 | KarlKFI|work | mine all suck |
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| 19:44.36 | kdtresh | sorry KarlKFI|work, mine suck too |
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| 19:51.37 | Thunder_Child | mine all suck as well, and i work with myself |
| 19:52.35 | Thunder_Child | i absolutly HATE the CS4 installer |
| 19:53.07 | Dagmar | So chop it into pieces and make a new one that fits on a DVD |
| 19:53.12 | Yssaril | Thunder_Child: Adobe always has crappy installers imo |
| 19:53.39 | Thunder_Child | well in my case it's because it requires me to close FF regardless of what i am doing with it |
| 19:54.33 | KarlKFI|work | does it install a plugin? |
| 19:54.46 | Dagmar | Yeah, another reason to rebuild it like the million dollar man--preventing it from reinstalling a grievously out of date Flash module |
| 19:54.49 | Thunder_Child | "regardless of what i am doing with it" |
| 19:55.13 | foxlit | wonders what ugg boots are, and why they spam so much. |
| 19:55.29 | Thunder_Child | they are shooes |
| 19:55.32 | Thunder_Child | shoes* |
| 19:57.01 | Dagmar | They're the next crocs |
| 19:57.09 | Dagmar | All the cool kids are wearing them while they cut |
| 19:57.59 | Thunder_Child | i wonder where the fad origionated from, because they were the 'gotta have' things last year |
| 19:58.12 | Dagmar | I'm thinkin' cough syrup. |
| 19:58.22 | Dagmar | Then people sobered up. |
| 19:58.39 | KarlKFI|work | ugg boots came out before crocs |
| 19:58.59 | mitchnull | copystring: ping |
| 19:59.13 | KarlKFI|work | i'm ok with kids wearing crocs, but adults with crocs need to reevaluate a few things |
| 19:59.26 | Dagmar | I'm not really okay with kids wearing them |
| 19:59.49 | Dagmar | They're ugly as hell, don't hold up for beans, don't protect your feet properly, and did I mention they're ugly as hell? |
| 19:59.51 | KarlKFI|work | they're cheep and durrable, good for kids with fast growing feet |
| 20:00.06 | KarlKFI|work | dont hold up? since when |
| 20:00.15 | KarlKFI|work | they're liek solid rubber |
| 20:00.20 | Dagmar | Since shoes made of actual leather will last 3-5 years easily |
| 20:00.37 | KarlKFI|work | crocs dont need to last that long |
| 20:01.03 | KarlKFI|work | kids foot sizes change ever year or 2, neh? |
| 20:01.14 | KarlKFI|work | i'm not talkign high schoolers |
| 20:01.49 | Dagmar | Sure if you're a couch potato |
| 20:02.19 | Thunder_Child | they make good beach shoes |
| 20:02.46 | Dagmar | Okay that purpose I can see them being reasonably well-suited for. Not may crannies for sand to get stuck in |
| 20:03.02 | Dagmar | The first girl I saw wearing crocs, I felt sorry for. I thought she was wearing corrective shoes. |
| 20:03.19 | Dagmar | I was like "Wow, looks like she's almost ready to take those off for good." |
| 20:03.19 | Thunder_Child | and even if they do it takes 2 seconds to dislodge the sand |
| 20:03.58 | Thunder_Child | the problem Dagmar is that you are confusing design with fashon |
| 20:04.07 | Thunder_Child | they are designed well, they just dont look good |
| 20:06.10 | kdtresh | and you can hose them off or wear them in a pool |
| 20:06.29 | kdtresh | or down to the mailbox |
| 20:06.54 | Dagmar | I suppose one isn't very likely to be wearing them on a date |
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| 20:12.17 | kdtresh | yeah, scratch what i said about the "save a copy of this" in AH stuff |
| 20:12.29 | kdtresh | not sure why i'd want to save a copy of an outbid notification, but ok |
| 20:15.54 | foxlit | kdtresh: so that you keep track of who your MORTAL ENEMIES are. |
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| 20:23.24 | NightHawkTheSane | from @FakeAPStylebook: "Depending on the situation, sometimes you will want a conjunction, and sometimes you'll just want to cuddle." |
| 20:26.21 | foxlit | Hm, awesome idea. |
| 20:26.59 | Dagmar | You could also spot shills, but they don't really matter if you never go back to make a second bid |
| 20:27.06 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: what, a cuddle? |
| 20:27.13 | foxlit | No, a fake AP stylebook. |
| 20:27.22 | NightHawkTheSane | oh :( |
| 20:28.42 | foxlit | "To "impeach" is to charge an elected official of a crime. To throw peaches at someone until they die is simply to "peach."" |
| 20:28.59 | foxlit | "The word "totally" is redundant except when describing how rad something is." |
| 20:29.12 | foxlit | # "Hacker" simply means "a person who is skilled with computers." To describe a computer criminal, use "Linux user." |
| 20:29.24 | Dagmar | lol |
| 20:30.59 | foxlit | # All terms referring to Batman should be capitalized: Dark Knight, Caped Crusader, Our Lord and Savior, etc. |
| 20:31.30 | foxlit | Hm, it updates too frequently to stuff it in my RSS reader. |
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| 20:45.18 | Adys | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11824416140&sid=1 could someone crosspost this in the US forums? |
| 20:46.46 | Lunessa | foxlit: This is the real danger of Twitter - information overload. |
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| 21:03.45 | Amarande | hmm, anyone else having trouble getting on WoW today? |
| 21:03.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i am |
| 21:03.59 | Amarande | Night: It wants to download an update and gets stuck at 0% |
| 21:04.01 | Amarande | right? |
| 21:04.01 | NightHawkTheSane | it's very difficult for me to log in from my office at work. |
| 21:04.15 | Amarande | I'm not sure what the update is for, either |
| 21:04.22 | Thunder_Child | mac only it would seem |
| 21:04.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i tried reaching REALLY far |
| 21:04.26 | NightHawkTheSane | but i dont think it worked. |
| 21:04.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i think i need to be Mr. Fantastic. |
| 21:04.52 | NightHawkTheSane | or possibly a jedi |
| 21:05.17 | Thunder_Child | werll i just DL |
| 21:05.25 | Thunder_Child | 'd the patch with no issues |
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| 21:08.20 | Amarande | apparently a lot of people are having issues with teh tracker |
| 21:08.23 | Amarande | stupid bittorrent. |
| 21:08.46 | Amarande | you know, I wonder if WoW players are going to face a lot more trouble patching over the next few years as governments start cracking down on BT at the behest of the IP industry :( |
| 21:09.45 | Amarande | I'm still waiting for the first news report of someone in Britain getting banned from the Internet because their WoW patching was mistaken for "illegal filesharing" under that crappy new law they're planning on there |
| 21:09.51 | NightHawkTheSane | no. |
| 21:11.14 | Adys | amarande quit being paranoid |
| 21:11.23 | NightHawkTheSane | s/paranoid/dumb/ |
| 21:11.36 | Adys | s/paranoid/paranoid AND dumb/ |
| 21:11.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ~Adys++ |
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| 21:22.33 | Shirik | licks Adys |
| 21:23.57 | Adys | shirikkkkkk |
| 21:23.58 | Adys | i love u |
| 21:24.58 | Adys | Shirik: can you crosspost that thing i linked? |
| 21:31.12 | Shirik | Adys, what thing you linked |
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| 21:32.54 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.58 | Adys | shirik |
| 21:33.23 | Shirik | pastey the code for it |
| 21:33.25 | Shirik | I don't want to figure it out |
| 21:33.35 | Adys | i dont have access to it. |
| 21:34.05 | Shirik | .. |
| 21:34.08 | Shirik | why not |
| 21:34.12 | Adys | i didnt post that |
| 21:34.22 | Adys | just a friend who wants me to get it posted in the US |
| 21:34.29 | Adys | AND HE WONT LEAVE ME ALONE :( |
| 21:34.43 | Shirik | and why can't you get the code? |
| 21:34.43 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 21:35.01 | Shirik | it takes one click |
| 21:35.15 | Adys | sec |
| 21:35.17 | Dagmar | You'd think that perhaps people who are trying to sell network connectivity to a university that has a freaking I2 _backbone and hub_ would at least be able to search a bit online so that they're not calling me |
| 21:35.47 | Shirik | Dagmar: Far easier to call without searching |
| 21:35.48 | Dagmar | Adys: Just _tell_ him it was posted |
| 21:36.01 | Dagmar | Shirik: Pretty easy for me to say "We don't do cold-calls" and hang up |
| 21:36.24 | Dagmar | I'm just astonished at how damn lazy people will be when the phone call could potentially be upwards of ten grand a month in monry |
| 21:36.30 | Dagmar | s/momry/money/; |
| 21:36.40 | Dagmar | I would frankly fire someone for being that lazy |
| 21:38.33 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/133392/ Shirik |
| 21:50.08 | Sesshu | is there a function like "additional authors" of an addon at wowinterface.com? |
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| 21:56.18 | Shirik | Is Sesshu trying to cheat?! |
| 21:56.35 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:56.37 | Shirik | I misread |
| 21:56.41 | Shirik | not sure! ask Dolby |
| 21:56.42 | Sesshu | ... |
| 21:57.26 | Dolby | your not sure Shirik ? |
| 21:58.04 | Dolby | we've just added a team managersesshe http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/faq.php?faq=team#faq_managing_team |
| 21:58.13 | Dolby | err Sesshu |
| 21:58.44 | Shirik | Adys: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21726117920&postId=217218521276&sid=1#0 |
| 22:01.52 | Adys | thanks love |
| 22:02.23 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 22:02.24 | Sesshu | kk thnaks dolby (3rd pic is missing there, maybe you want to fix :)) |
| 22:02.24 | Fisker | i like you |
| 22:02.41 | Shirik | ~Fisker--- |
| 22:02.49 | Dolby | Sesshu: yeah noticed that alerted Cairenn the author of it |
| 22:02.54 | Dolby | the faq |
| 22:03.05 | Dolby | thanks |
| 22:03.23 | Cairenn | fixededed |
| 22:03.41 | Sesshu | that was fast |
| 22:03.56 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:04.24 | Fisker | stop -'ing me Shirik |
| 22:04.34 | Fisker | btw |
| 22:04.48 | Fisker | i just used 600g buying gems that i just made useless with a single item today |
| 22:04.48 | Fisker | GG |
| 22:06.14 | Hjalte | Fisker: Buying gems IS gee gee. Get the mixed from badges and pure from pvp. |
| 22:06.26 | Fisker | naw |
| 22:06.30 | Fisker | star's tears ftw |
| 22:06.37 | Fisker | and i already used all my badges selling gems :P |
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| 22:45.39 | Cairenn | so glad I hardly ever need to go outside the house in the winter: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/12/14/ottawa-highway-416-closed.html?ref=rss |
| 22:48.30 | NightHawkTheSane | :o |
| 22:48.38 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, geez.. |
| 22:49.00 | Cairenn | luckily (and amazingly), there were no serious injuries |
| 22:50.01 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that's crazy |
| 22:55.09 | Balreign | not that much, they surely weren't driving quickly with a "icy and foggy highway" |
| 22:58.11 | NightHawkTheSane | you dont have to be moving very fast to be seriously injured in a car crash |
| 22:58.17 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 22:58.31 | NightHawkTheSane | and with that many cars, explosions are a real possibility |
| 22:58.34 | Cairenn | hell, you can be completely stopped and still get hurt |
| 22:58.41 | Cairenn | (voice of experience) |
| 23:02.33 | Amarande | Night: heh yeah, with that many cars one is bound to be a Pinto :P |
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| 23:07.17 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 23:11.07 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/box/charms.png << would a black background be better? |
| 23:15.17 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, i think it looks ok. |
| 23:15.32 | NightHawkTheSane | hard to say though as the background you have is already dark |
| 23:15.57 | Cairenn | I like it as is |
| 23:17.28 | Dagmar | I think the advantage you've got is that they're ostensibly already going to be really visible with any backdrop |
| 23:17.36 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: http://www.go-hero.net/box/charms2.png is a bit more mixed. |
| 23:17.59 | Dagmar | heck you could probably drop the bounding boxes for all the icons except the currently selected/prelighted one |
| 23:18.34 | Dagmar | OH WAIT |
| 23:18.42 | Dagmar | UR VIOLATIN A PATENT |
| 23:18.51 | Dagmar | Good for you. |
| 23:19.15 | foxlit | Hm? |
| 23:20.19 | Dagmar | Some ass actually patented radially-organized menus |
| 23:20.33 | Amarande | heh, it pretty much seems like that in today's overpatented world |
| 23:20.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, I think it looks ok as is. A black BG might make the icons pop out a bit more, but they already stand out reasonably well, and in use they're not going to be against a black BG anyway. |
| 23:20.43 | Amarande | it's probably better not to worry about such things until and unless you actually get sent a C&D |
| 23:20.54 | Dagmar | I wouldn't worry about them _after_ |
| 23:20.56 | Amarande | otherwise, hardly anything would ever get developed due to patent hamstringing. |
| 23:21.02 | Dagmar | F**k people who make patents like that |
| 23:21.22 | foxlit | Not that software patents actually exist here. |
| 23:21.26 | Dagmar | Amarande: In case you didn't notice, things are already in that state |
| 23:21.51 | Amarande | Dagmar: someone got a C&D for using radially organized menus? sheesh. :| |
| 23:22.28 | Dagmar | No, but it's only a matter of time. |
| 23:22.47 | Dagmar | Making matters even more worse is that there are _several_ patents on radial menus, all held by entirely different groups. |
| 23:22.57 | Dagmar | At least IBM knows theirs was a bit silly |
| 23:23.17 | Dagmar | Here's one someone filed _this year_: http://www.freshpatents.com/-dt20090723ptan20090187860.php?type=description |
| 23:23.45 | Dagmar | Such things are absolutely asinine |
| 23:24.17 | Dagmar | Granted, IBM got theirs in 1994 when the whole idea of graphical menus was new. People filing such claims now are simply a**holes. |
| 23:25.07 | Torhal | Cairenn: Did Tristanian vanish without a trace? |
| 23:25.39 | Amarande | the crappiest thing about patents is they apparently apply whether or not you know about them |
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| 23:26.18 | Amarande | unlike copyrights, where IIRC you have to be knowingly copying, IANAL but apparently if you don't know about the thing you allegedly copied you're off the hook |
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| 23:38.44 | cbreak | copyright prevents you from copying an implementation |
| 23:38.50 | cbreak | patents prevent you from copying an idea |
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| 23:38.54 | cbreak | that's why they are so evil |
| 23:39.13 | cbreak | at least you can only patent actual inventions, not things like programs, mathematical formulas or genetical code |
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| 23:46.55 | tekkub | some kick my tank's ass |
| 23:47.05 | tekkub | now that he's uncrit he's just fucking stacking stam |
| 23:47.49 | tekkub | he's ranting off shit about raid gear, but we're just in 5-mans and he just got uncrit... raid gear is *way* off |
| 23:48.05 | Stanzilla | hm no |
| 23:48.12 | Stanzilla | 5-mans == instant t9 |
| 23:48.14 | Torhal | tekkub: Sell his soul. |
| 23:48.34 | tekkub | instant my ass |
| 23:48.46 | Cairenn | Torhal: not without a trace, but yes |
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| 23:50.06 | Torhal | Cairenn: Was wondering - hadn't seen him in ages. |
| 23:50.10 | Cairenn | nod |
| 23:50.14 | Bruners | tekkub: stole some code from you, hope you don't mind |
| 23:50.17 | Cairenn | rl got crazy busy |
| 23:54.23 | tekkub | haha and then he makes a godddamn parry/def gem |
| 23:54.30 | tekkub | what a tool |
| 23:55.17 | Fisker | you can make full t9 in a day with 5-man |
| 23:55.19 | ccox | tekkub - sounds like a nub tank, just be gentle and try to help him improve his gear |
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| 23:55.43 | ccox | (and if he's a bear tank, kick his ignorant a**) |
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