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| 00:00.36 | foxlit | "There's going to be a "the raid gets corrupted and has to fight the good guys" fight in Icecrown - the exact opposite of all those "a good guy gets corrupted and has to be raided" encounters we always get. Mark my words. " << Someone totally has an awesome encounter idea. |
| 00:01.24 | ckknight | foxlit: that sounds fun |
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| 00:01.59 | ckknight | admittedly, the fight may not be that different, but the lore would be more interesting :) |
| 00:02.12 | nevcairiel | lore in raids is usually just lacking |
| 00:02.19 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21333887771&sid=1#9 |
| 00:02.40 | foxlit | It'd be a nice plot twist, really. |
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| 00:03.36 | Amarande | I think the need before greed system might be bugged |
| 00:03.46 | Amarande | tonight in ZF, a mage managed to roll need on a leather drop from a boss |
| 00:04.02 | Amarande | I thought it was designed to keep you from rolling need if it wasn't your type of armor? |
| 00:04.33 | AbsolutRayne | ZzZz |
| 00:05.12 | foxlit | "Adventurers/heroes who freed a Faceless One from the saronite mines because he promised them magic boots." >> "Best decision I ever made." |
| 00:09.04 | AbsolutRayne | Oh wow, an Uldaman quest at 34? O_o |
| 00:09.28 | Lopeppeppy | That's the right age for Uldaman outside, I thought. |
| 00:09.52 | Lopeppeppy | Remember, you're expected to go in and out of that place like 6 times to finish it all. |
| 00:10.51 | AbsolutRayne | lawl |
| 00:11.10 | AbsolutRayne | Im just glad im not hopelessly lost, since im leveling my first Horde |
| 00:11.29 | Amarande | foxlit: given knowledge of what saronite is, why does 'Faceless One' make me think of things like shoggoth and lloigor? :D |
| 00:14.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: that's what she said. ;0 |
| 00:15.13 | Thunder_Child_ | six NightHawkTheSane? i doubt she said that |
| 00:15.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: because the old god mythos of the warcraft story draws heavily from lovecraftian/cthulian mythos |
| 00:15.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child_: yeah, but i have to work with what i have. |
| 00:16.05 | ZorbaTHut | I feel like "draws heavily" is kind of an understatement |
| 00:16.09 | ZorbaTHut | "cribs mercilessly", perhaps |
| 00:16.10 | Thunder_Child_ | now THATS what she said |
| 00:16.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: a VAST understatement, yes. |
| 00:16.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: i was kind of being mild. i was also going to follow that up with "Which is mind-bogglingly obvious to anyone even rmeotely paying attention" :P |
| 00:16.44 | ZorbaTHut | haha, fair :) |
| 00:16.46 | foxlit | I'm glad Devourer of Souls stole C'Thuns dark glare effect. |
| 00:16.53 | ZorbaTHut | but yeah, they don't even try to hide it |
| 00:16.57 | foxlit | It needs to be used more often for comedy value. |
| 00:17.09 | Wobin | lures down the dark alley of lore and mugs them for spare mythos |
| 00:17.18 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: *hugs* |
| 00:17.22 | ZorbaTHut | cthulhu -> c'thun. yog-sothoth -> yogg-saron |
| 00:17.53 | ZorbaTHut | bet the only reason they change the names that much is so they can keep people from copying their slightly-modified versions. |
| 00:18.17 | Wobin | >< "The candles in a menorah are called Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donder and Leviticus." |
| 00:18.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: fakeapstyleguide? :D |
| 00:18.45 | Wobin | yeah =) |
| 00:18.46 | alestane | Wobin: WTFFF? |
| 00:18.49 | Wobin | via retweet =P |
| 00:18.49 | NightHawkTheSane | that's hilarious :) |
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| 00:20.00 | Lopeppeppy | Donner! |
| 00:20.12 | Lopeppeppy | Like Donner, party of 10? Party of 9? |
| 00:20.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Donner, I hardly know her! |
| 00:20.24 | Amarande | Zorba: hmm, are H.P. Lovecraft's works still copyrighted? |
| 00:20.59 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, nope |
| 00:21.05 | ZorbaTHut | that's why there's so many spinoffs in various media |
| 00:21.25 | alestane | Not sure, although one of the unusaly things about Cthulhu was that Howard encouraged his friends and acquaintances to write stories in his world rathering than keeping it to himself. |
| 00:21.41 | alestane | Wow, can't type. |
| 00:22.01 | Wobin | alestane, of course it helped that in order to do so convincingly, you had to be at least slightly insane =P |
| 00:22.11 | NightHawkTheSane | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft#Copyright indicate that some of his works are public domain, and others MAY be, but it's not certain |
| 00:25.13 | foxlit | "... including such prominent pieces as "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Call_of_Cthulhu" and "At the Mountains of Madness"" |
| 00:25.21 | foxlit | Lovecraft was In The Mountains? |
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| 00:29.30 | Wobin | I remember that |
| 00:30.06 | foxlit | But you?! |
| 00:30.14 | Stanzilla | What is this? |
| 00:33.02 | Thunder_Child_ | ~lart Bibi |
| 00:33.02 | purl | cuts off Bibi's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 00:33.59 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URR--H97sYQ&feature=player_embedded |
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| 00:47.14 | amro | weebl has issues |
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| 00:49.29 | Thunder_Child_ | agreed |
| 00:51.58 | Wobin | http://www.datamancer.net/steampunklaptop/steampunklaptop.htm |
| 00:52.01 | Wobin | I so want one |
| 00:53.47 | olafski | "I've been farming the trash with two friends for quite some time and we have succesfully sold 11 Battered Hilts for 9,000g / piece. Easy money I'd say." |
| 00:53.50 | olafski | good idea |
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| 00:55.12 | Shirik | news flash |
| 00:55.20 | Shirik | canadians spent millions of dollars conducting research |
| 00:55.29 | Shirik | what they determined: all guys look at porn |
| 00:55.57 | NeoTron | seems like that'd been cheaper to determin |
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| 01:03.17 | olafski | love those abridged researches that make it look like they wasted their time |
| 01:03.44 | olafski | a friend of mine did his master's thesis on discovering that people tend to prefer using their car rather than going on foot or by bike when it's raining |
| 01:10.09 | Balreign | damn shirik... Is there some that don't? |
| 01:11.26 | zenzelezz | there are two kinds of guys... those who watch porn, and those who "don't" watch porn |
| 01:13.37 | olafski | weren't they going to give titles for reaching exalted with BG factions? |
| 01:13.41 | olafski | I can't find them in the achievement list |
| 01:13.44 | Thunder_Child | no, the 2 kinds are those that watch porn, and people that watch porn with others |
| 01:13.45 | Lopeppeppy | Three kinds. Those who don't admit which group they belong to. |
| 01:14.22 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: that's still just two kinds... the "don't" ones just don't dare to admit they watch it |
| 01:14.53 | Lopeppeppy | No, some people really don't, zenzelezz. |
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| 01:15.27 | zenzelezz | that's what they want you to think |
| 01:15.53 | zenzelezz | third-world countries with no access to the Internet don't count |
| 01:16.35 | Dagmar | What Lo means is that you're forgetting that there are blind people on the Internet, too. |
| 01:16.42 | olafski | audio porn |
| 01:16.51 | zenzelezz | text-to-speech |
| 01:16.51 | olafski | though I guess technically that's still not watching |
| 01:16.54 | Dagmar | They have to settle for TTS, but they can't watch porn |
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| 01:24.15 | Amarande | gah. stupid solid iron maul recipe. |
| 01:24.42 | Mikk | I'm not sure they're losing out |
| 01:24.52 | Mikk | As long as they've got good texts to TTS :P |
| 01:25.56 | Thunder_Child | texts to texts to speech? |
| 01:26.57 | Amarande | No Muuran, you DON'T have just the thing I need. |
| 01:27.01 | Amarande | That's the entire problem. :P |
| 01:27.41 | Corrodias | -translated- text to speech |
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| 01:27.55 | Corrodias | wouldn't that be neat? |
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| 01:29.51 | p3lim | are there any 3.3 compatible addons that will let you move the watch frame now? |
| 01:33.24 | Amarande | Yes Muuran, you've been expecting me. This is because I may have to right click you for a few hundred years. |
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| 01:56.38 | Dagmar | They weren't messing around on the last phase of that new 5-man |
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| 01:56.49 | Dagmar | THat leg is pretty ruthless |
| 01:57.18 | kd3 | oh no. it's tough. you've gotta have semi-decent dps or you're going to fail |
| 01:57.43 | Dagmar | You've got to have more than just semi-decent DPS |
| 01:57.49 | Thunder_Child | i have yet to fail |
| 01:57.59 | Thunder_Child | but i still havent got the less than 6 min one |
| 01:58.23 | Dagmar | It looks like we're going to have to just skirt the edge of the LK's aura and murder those undead during the "run away" part proactively |
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| 01:58.50 | Dagmar | We've yet to get back inside the cave in Heroic |
| 01:59.04 | Dagmar | ...and that bit's pretty hairy in normal mode |
| 01:59.36 | kd3 | the trick is to stick close to your faction guide (jaina/sylvannas). as soon as she reaches the next wall, turn around and make sure the tank's on point so he gets pounced on by the ghouls |
| 01:59.48 | Dagmar | That we've been doing |
| 01:59.51 | kd3 | aoe the ghouls then aboms > casters |
| 02:00.20 | Dagmar | We've been murdering the witch doctors first on the off-chance they'll heal those aboms |
| 02:00.47 | kd3 | afaik they don't. I've yet to see them cast anything other than CoD/shadowbolt volley |
| 02:00.54 | Dagmar | Well, that's a relief |
| 02:01.16 | Dagmar | I *like* that there's a plentiful supply of casters in there |
| 02:01.51 | Dagmar | I've traded out half my Serpent Sting uptime for Viper Sting. It makes those never-ending bits a lot less mana-consumptive |
| 02:03.21 | Dagmar | I'm kinda unamused that yet again, no new recipes for non-raiders |
| 02:04.28 | Dagmar | We had some pug warrior talk us into trying to fight the trash for Failrik and Marvin in the corner there to LoS them. ever again. |
| 02:04.36 | Dagmar | er Never again. Too bloody hard to see |
| 02:07.22 | kd3 | actually that's the easiest way to do it. just stand in the corner for the initial aggro/pathing to the tank then move out to see |
| 02:07.58 | kd3 | then move back into the corner so the tank gets body-pull aggro again for the next wave |
| 02:08.25 | Dagmar | Our usual tank was just using Commanding shout with me trying my luck with Misdirection |
| 02:08.35 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean demo shout? |
| 02:08.36 | Wobin | I <3 the new MD |
| 02:08.47 | Dagmar | One shackle, one spotty ice trap, and the rest we can take |
| 02:08.47 | Wobin | pity you can't preload it though |
| 02:09.19 | Dagmar | It *appears* that the misdirection affects "I can see you"-aggro |
| 02:09.29 | Wobin | orly? |
| 02:09.36 | Dagmar | Even when commanding shout wasn't in play, the moment MD kicks in, they all start heading for my MD target |
| 02:09.42 | Wobin | So the hunter can effectively stand in view |
| 02:09.48 | Wobin | and proximity aggro |
| 02:10.12 | Dagmar | I don't know if that's intended or what--but it definitely has kept me from having to feign |
| 02:10.29 | Wobin | I totally did the first time I used it |
| 02:10.54 | Dagmar | I think I won at DPS when I figured out what Mirrored Soul does. :) |
| 02:11.03 | Wobin | by killing all the others? =) |
| 02:11.23 | Wobin | I spent too much time on that fight -not- dpsing |
| 02:11.32 | Wobin | and then dying to the scream =( |
| 02:11.38 | Wobin | for some reason I keep forgetting about the scream |
| 02:11.41 | Dagmar | WEll, he finally cast it on *me* and I kinda went "Oh cast on me will you! *beastwithin*rapid shots*pewpewpew*dead*" |
| 02:11.42 | Cide- | wtf is up with my net |
| 02:12.00 | Wobin | ... who was dead? =P |
| 02:12.04 | Dagmar | ME. |
| 02:12.10 | Cide- | it's not down, and everything with a persistent connection works fine (irc, games, skype, spotify, etc) |
| 02:12.10 | Wobin | hehe |
| 02:12.11 | Dagmar | ...with a QUICKNESS. |
| 02:12.20 | Wobin | you totally showed him! |
| 02:12.23 | Cide- | but my web browser times out to every site 90% of the time |
| 02:12.25 | Cide- | ideas? |
| 02:12.38 | Wobin | dns? |
| 02:12.42 | Dagmar | Yeah that would be my guess |
| 02:12.49 | kd3 | my first thought too |
| 02:12.54 | kd3 | you using opendns? |
| 02:13.05 | Wobin | http://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm |
| 02:13.07 | Cide- | no clue, let me google that - oh wait |
| 02:13.09 | kd3 | 208.67.222.222, 208.67.220.220 |
| 02:13.12 | Dagmar | Either that or the built-in QoS (or your ISP's QoS) for port 80 has gone horribly, horribly wrong. |
| 02:13.27 | Dagmar | If you're on Comcast I'd suspect it's them. |
| 02:13.31 | Cide- | ya, dns is spotty at best |
| 02:13.38 | Lopeppeppy | did you reboot your stuff, Cide? |
| 02:13.41 | kd3 | ^ dns servers for opendns |
| 02:13.45 | Wobin | maybe swap to the google ones =) |
| 02:14.08 | Cide- | should I swap dns to opendns? |
| 02:14.08 | Dagmar | Last month multiple times they screwed up their QoS over here |
| 02:14.13 | Dagmar | Cide-: Can't hurt |
| 02:15.01 | Dagmar | I was seeing a ton of out-of-state traffic and packet dupes on port 80 as a result of their incompetence |
| 02:15.38 | Dagmar | ...cuz for whatever reason, their QoS malfunction was making packets beyond the handshake get postponed by many, many seconds |
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| 02:16.23 | Cide | there |
| 02:16.25 | Cide | works fine now, thanks |
| 02:18.44 | Dagmar | Just so I can stop looking... there's not any way to put more than one unit frame up per unit in PitBull is there? |
| 02:19.29 | Dagmar | I had an idea to use 2-3 separate frames for Target so I could put the name full-width across the top, and a casting bar full-width across the bottom |
| 02:19.46 | Lopeppeppy | Other than focus and regular, I don't think so... |
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| 02:19.57 | Dagmar | Yeah that's what I suspected |
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| 02:31.56 | Shadowed | Antiarc: http://www.flickr.com/photos/38863302@N07/4177283233/ something like that, the persons info will go in the top center what dungeons they can do in the bottom center, then the right half will be a tabbed frame to either show their achievement info or the group notes |
| 02:33.17 | Jerub | does anyone know how 'party leader' in the new LFD works? |
| 02:33.24 | Antiarc | Hrm. Seems a little hard to read right now, but I'll wait and see :P |
| 02:33.26 | Shadowed | bah |
| 02:33.29 | Shadowed | wrong channel |
| 02:33.32 | Shadowed | oh well |
| 02:33.45 | Shadowed | You mean the white text part? |
| 02:34.00 | Shadowed | It'll get an outline or something |
| 02:34.07 | Antiarc | It's just a lot of blocky color |
| 02:34.22 | Shadowed | mmm |
| 02:35.10 | Shadowed | Could show the item icon, then in place of the Rejuvenation icon show at the bottom the item type, at the top the ilvl? |
| 02:35.25 | Shadowed | and drop the Rejuvenation icon completely |
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| 02:41.06 | Wobin | Antiarc, I can see the reviews now: ".... and now Antiarc, who's name is synonymous in World of Warcraft circles with "Sexy..." |
| 02:53.53 | Shirik | lol, so I'm in my first raid |
| 02:54.02 | Shirik | with this guild (since I came back) |
| 02:54.20 | Shirik | they're confused how my HPS is exceeding some guild members' DPS |
| 02:54.20 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:54.38 | Antiarc | BOSSES HIT HARD! |
| 02:55.31 | Shirik | actualy this was voa, lol |
| 02:55.42 | Shirik | not hard :P |
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| 03:05.20 | DWSR | lol |
| 03:05.36 | DWSR | Antiarc: In ICC they do. gg dodge nerf. |
| 03:05.49 | DWSR | What's lua or? this == that or something == else? |
| 03:06.51 | Xuerian | So when did they make all the starting area mobs nonhostile |
| 03:07.02 | DWSR | Since a while ago |
| 03:07.17 | Xuerian | Also, or is or o_0 |
| 03:07.22 | Antiarc | Yes, or works |
| 03:07.40 | DWSR | Xuerian: Some languages it's || |
| 03:07.46 | Xuerian | DWSR: Yes. |
| 03:07.49 | DWSR | Xuerian: So shut your whore mouth when Billy Mays is talking. |
| 03:07.54 | Xuerian | if a or b and c then is valid >_> |
| 03:08.29 | Antiarc | a and b or c is equivalent to a ? b : c, too |
| 03:08.30 | Antiarc | Which is nice |
| 03:09.31 | DWSR | imo. |
| 03:09.38 | DWSR | do this if (that); <- win syntax. |
| 03:10.01 | Xuerian | I prefer to neglect semicolon and parenthesis if not required for order of comparison clarity |
| 03:10.33 | DWSR | I use semicolons so that I can break statements over multiple lines and know where they actually end. |
| 03:10.39 | DWSR | Additionally, putting multiple statements on the same line. |
| 03:10.47 | DWSR | (I'm not a Lua coder, though). |
| 03:10.50 | Xuerian | Statements end where the next one starts |
| 03:10.55 | Xuerian | Lua is a easygoing language :p |
| 03:11.20 | DWSR | Xuerian: Right, but there is ambiguity with some statements as to where the boundary is. Semicolons help the parser figure it out. |
| 03:11.34 | Xuerian | DWSR: If by parser you mean you, indeed |
| 03:11.54 | DWSR | Xuerian: No, some language parsers have issues with multiple statements on the same line. |
| 03:12.09 | DWSR | Xuerian: Sorry, but I'm a bit of a fan of if (this) { do this; return that; } |
| 03:12.12 | Xuerian | DWSR: I thought you were just asking about Lua, all my statements have been strictly about lua |
| 03:12.22 | DWSR | Xuerian: I'm speaking more in general. |
| 03:12.39 | Xuerian | DWSR: Then don't ask a lua specific question and get preachy when I answer in a lua-centric way |
| 03:12.50 | DWSR | Xuerian: I'm not getting preachy, lol |
| 03:12.59 | Xuerian | I couldn't find a better word for it =| |
| 03:13.08 | DWSR | It's still a shitty word for it. :P |
| 03:13.24 | Xuerian | PERHAPS YOU'D LIKE TO SUGGEST ONE WITH SOME PARENTHESIS EH |
| 03:13.30 | Xuerian | coughs. |
| 03:13.43 | DWSR | (defensive) *cough* |
| 03:14.20 | Xuerian | Hmm, yeah, that's better. |
| 03:15.17 | DWSR | Billy Mays 1, Xuerian 0./ |
| 03:15.35 | Xuerian | You know, you should share your secret for undeath with the world |
| 03:16.13 | DWSR | lolno, Sully bought the rights for it and he's sitting on it. |
| 03:16.21 | DWSR | dick. |
| 03:17.18 | Xuerian | Anyway. Lua's lax lexical leanings are awkward at first, and pleasing soon after. |
| 03:17.28 | DWSR | Kinda like anal? |
| 03:17.39 | DWSR | Or intercourse with a virgin? |
| 03:17.46 | Xuerian | I'd go with the second one |
| 03:17.51 | DWSR | k |
| 03:18.04 | DWSR | That's not so bad then. At least I'm well equipped to...oh wait.. |
| 03:18.05 | DWSR | >.< |
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| 03:18.34 | Xuerian | Yeah, either way you're not screwed |
| 03:18.47 | DWSR | lol |
| 03:22.33 | DWSR | ugh |
| 03:22.40 | DWSR | Trying to script within kgpanels...so pain. |
| 03:23.00 | Xuerian | Why bother with that o_0.... just do it all in a little addon |
| 03:23.19 | DWSR | Xuerian: Why bother making a little addon when I have kgpanels? |
| 03:23.34 | Xuerian | why bother using someone else's addon to make your own tweaks? |
| 03:23.51 | DWSR | Xuerian: Because it has the capability. |
| 03:23.58 | Xuerian | Good enough. |
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| 03:24.03 | DWSR | My only real issue with it is basically the fact that the editors are just textboxes. |
| 03:24.22 | DWSR | tbtfh, I should just throw open LuaEclipse or Notepad++ or something and copypasta, but i cba. |
| 03:24.46 | Xuerian | Or you could get WowLua |
| 03:25.16 | Xuerian | Or TinyPad |
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| 03:25.39 | Xuerian | WowLua would work better for that, though. Highlighting and all |
| 03:29.02 | Xuerian | Hm... about how long does it take to grind enough for the account-bound scaling items |
| 03:30.42 | Thunder_Child | depends |
| 03:30.48 | Thunder_Child | pvp ones fairly easy |
| 03:30.53 | Thunder_Child | pve a bit longer |
| 03:31.21 | Xuerian | those are wintergrasp marks then |
| 03:31.45 | Xuerian | No.. What pvp ones o_0 |
| 03:32.00 | Xuerian | Oh. THAT tab <_< |
| 03:32.23 | Thunder_Child | ...do you have split personality? |
| 03:33.51 | Xuerian | No, just a stream of conciousness looking between a monitor with wowhead and another with atlasloot |
| 03:33.56 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: i think i got it by accident one time i was doing nexus with a geared group |
| 03:34.12 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: you got a split personality? |
| 03:34.18 | Thunder_Child | ...like loot? |
| 03:34.26 | Xuerian | he rolled need. |
| 03:37.17 | DWSR | ok |
| 03:37.28 | Xuerian | Maybe I'll get one of those headmaster's charges <_< |
| 03:37.58 | DWSR | So if I temporarily change the FrameLevel of a frame via MODIFIER_STATE_CHANGED, will OnEnter/OnLeave trigger if it moved from behind to in front of a frame? |
| 03:41.47 | ZorbaTHut | eh, pve ones are pretty fast at this point |
| 03:41.57 | ZorbaTHut | it's a bunch of instances, but instances go superquickly |
| 03:42.58 | Xuerian | lkfjalwkjer greh |
| 03:43.09 | Xuerian | heroics only? |
| 03:43.34 | DWSR | In Shadowed UF, is there a way to get the Party frames to show up in 2 rows of 2 as opposed to a column/row of 4? |
| 03:43.42 | Xuerian | Nuu, i can do normals and get triumph emblems... greh, stupid twenty types of currency |
| 03:44.01 | DWSR | Xuerian: Convert everything lower than Triumph down to heroism, buy jewels. |
| 03:44.09 | DWSR | s/jewels/gems/ |
| 03:44.09 | ZorbaTHut | xuerian, it's pretty much heroics only. you can get two emblems per day in a normal, or you can get two emblems per instance in a heroic. |
| 03:44.13 | ZorbaTHut | plus boss kills. |
| 03:44.47 | Xuerian | or 5 champion things/day for higher cost. Goddamn grinding, I remember why I quit this game -_- |
| 03:44.55 | Jerub | it's not 2 per instance. |
| 03:45.00 | Jerub | it's 2+# of bosses. |
| 03:45.05 | Jerub | so nexus is 5 EoT |
| 03:45.11 | Jerub | er VH is 5 EoT |
| 03:45.14 | ZorbaTHut | as I said, "plus boss kills". |
| 03:45.19 | Jerub | oh right, misread |
| 03:45.31 | ZorbaTHut | xuerian, seriously, hit the "random heroic" button |
| 03:45.32 | ZorbaTHut | rake in emblems |
| 03:45.33 | ZorbaTHut | repeat |
| 03:45.39 | Xuerian | ZorbaTHut: I can't yet :( |
| 03:45.43 | ZorbaTHut | ah, not 80 yet? |
| 03:45.46 | Jerub | Xuerian: are you level 80? |
| 03:45.47 | Xuerian | I'm supposed to do 4 with a friend today, and he's not on |
| 03:45.50 | Xuerian | so I really can't just random <_< |
| 03:46.03 | DWSR | Yes you can |
| 03:46.07 | DWSR | Random ignores locks. |
| 03:46.09 | Jerub | Xuerian: heroics take 20 minutes to do. just do grind them until your friend is on. |
| 03:46.10 | ZorbaTHut | so don't do random, choose the ones that you won't be doing. you won't get the bonus 2 but you'll still get the boss kills. |
| 03:46.13 | Xuerian | Random CREATES locks |
| 03:46.17 | Xuerian | It ignores EXISTING locks |
| 03:46.18 | DWSR | Xuerian: So? |
| 03:46.23 | DWSR | What's your point? |
| 03:46.25 | Xuerian | So if I get locked I cant' go do them with him <_< |
| 03:46.26 | Wobin | it means |
| 03:46.26 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, I believe he's booked for specific heroics with his friend |
| 03:46.26 | Xuerian | I said this. |
| 03:46.30 | ZorbaTHut | and if he gets locked he can't do them. |
| 03:46.31 | Wobin | he can't do his specific ones later |
| 03:46.41 | DWSR | Specific heroics? |
| 03:46.42 | ZorbaTHut | so, as I said: choose the ones you won't be doing, pass up the extra badges, but get normal badges. |
| 03:46.43 | DWSR | lolwtf? |
| 03:46.47 | DWSR | Why would you ever do that? |
| 03:46.56 | Xuerian | I'm weird like that. |
| 03:46.56 | Wobin | Xuerian, so queue in the normal dungeon finder for the heroics you're not going to do |
| 03:46.59 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, some people play the game to have fun, not to grind |
| 03:47.01 | Jerub | i can understand for htoc and hpos and hhor and stuff. |
| 03:47.04 | Xuerian | Just like you like parenthesis a bit too much, DWSR |
| 03:47.17 | ccox | darnit - some addon(s?) is causing wow to lockup at the end of the loading screen |
| 03:47.21 | Xuerian | Wobin: Yeah, I guesss that's what I'll do |
| 03:47.25 | Wobin | just specifically uncheck the ones you've planned |
| 03:48.48 | Xuerian | Wobin: Too simple :| |
| 03:50.35 | tem | just queue for randoms imo |
| 03:50.42 | tem | when you get a bad one, bail and take a 15m break |
| 03:51.10 | ZorbaTHut | that's an option as well |
| 03:51.29 | tem | go eat |
| 03:51.32 | tem | or just go outside |
| 03:51.39 | tem | you may need to do that once in a while |
| 03:52.00 | tem | the first days after a major patch are often like this |
| 03:52.11 | tem | where you must be reminded to do these things |
| 03:52.35 | tem | getting picked for oculus is the game's way of saying "Hey, you should maybe eat something" |
| 03:52.49 | tem | "or at the very least, take a shower or something" |
| 03:53.35 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:53.54 | DWSR | My friend got queued for Occ 9 times yesterday morning. |
| 03:53.56 | DWSR | 9 times in a row. |
| 03:54.11 | tem | awesome. |
| 03:54.23 | eidolarr | I don't get why they made it easier |
| 03:54.30 | DWSR | eidolarr: Because pugs are retarded? |
| 03:54.30 | eidolarr | the difficulty has never been the problem |
| 03:54.33 | tem | people are bad at this game |
| 03:54.36 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:54.39 | eidolarr | i've never been in a group that failed occulus |
| 03:54.40 | tem | _real_ bad |
| 03:54.53 | eidolarr | people hate it because of the retarded vehicles |
| 03:54.56 | DWSR | Some people fail at the old heroics, even with free 245 and 5% stat buff. |
| 03:55.02 | tem | anyway, I need to go grab some food myself. |
| 03:55.04 | DWSR | eidolarr: No, it's not that I hate the vehicles. |
| 03:55.05 | tem | what free 245? |
| 03:55.09 | tem | only free 232 |
| 03:55.14 | DWSR | It's that I hate that people can't fucking understand. |
| 03:55.14 | Jerub | the vehicles are easy if you understand the drake's mechanics. |
| 03:55.16 | eidolarr | there are many much harder heroics |
| 03:55.16 | DWSR | tem: No, free 245. |
| 03:55.22 | tem | oh I guess that straight badge stuff is 245 |
| 03:55.23 | eidolarr | they're easy but they're so drab |
| 03:55.24 | DWSR | You can farm triumph at unlimited/day. It's free. |
| 03:55.27 | tem | just most of it was garbage |
| 03:55.31 | eidolarr | it's like, mash your attack button over and over |
| 03:55.32 | Jerub | "oh look if the tank swaps targets when the are whealps he does huge amounts more damage" |
| 03:56.02 | eidolarr | it's not free, its' just more obviously at the cost of your spare time |
| 03:56.40 | DWSR | eidolarr: No, the difficulty is so low |
| 03:56.42 | ccox | Occulus isn't hard to beat - just hard to learn, they need to do a better job of explaining the mechanics of the drakes. |
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| 03:59.35 | Jerub | i think they made it easier just so that people would remember from the patch notes it's slightly less painful and play it anyway. |
| 04:02.11 | Xuerian | Ahh, shaman |
| 04:02.13 | Xuerian | afk-healing |
| 04:03.07 | Jerub | doing one of the new icc5 man instances on norm, I decided to stop healing and see how many trash fights we could get through before i had to heal. |
| 04:03.11 | Jerub | (answer = 4) |
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| 04:18.00 | DWSR | lol |
| 04:18.13 | DWSR | On heroic those instances fucking hurt though |
| 04:19.38 | Shirik | waves at Iriel |
| 04:20.03 | Thunder_Child | breaks Shiriks hand |
| 04:20.16 | Shirik | :( |
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| 04:21.16 | Iriel | lo |
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| 04:29.30 | DWSR | If I want something to hide if I don't have a target and show otherwise, I do [target=noexist]hide;show? |
| 04:29.39 | DWSR | oh, wait, nvm. |
| 04:29.40 | DWSR | gdit. |
| 04:51.36 | Shirik | so I pissed off my mom |
| 04:51.46 | Shirik | she bought me a 500GB hard drive for christmas |
| 04:51.51 | Shirik | to store all my photos |
| 04:52.05 | Shirik | on black friday, I bought at 1TB hard drive for $59 |
| 04:52.19 | Thunder_Child | so much? |
| 04:52.29 | Shirik | ?? |
| 04:52.32 | Shirik | external |
| 04:53.24 | Thunder_Child | i suppose that ok |
| 04:53.39 | Thunder_Child | thats* |
| 04:54.05 | Thunder_Child | though it is usually cheaper to buy the HD and the enclosure seperate |
| 05:01.09 | Corrodias | i don't think 1tb for $60 is that far off |
| 05:01.17 | Corrodias | like half a year ago they were $100 |
| 05:01.51 | Thunder_Child | but you could get a 2TB for ~100 on black friday |
| 05:02.20 | airtonix | black friday was a day when a bushfire went out of control. |
| 05:02.27 | airtonix | many people died |
| 05:02.36 | Thunder_Child | mmm...suffering |
| 05:02.44 | Corrodias | aaah |
| 05:02.50 | Corrodias | and savings |
| 05:10.35 | DWSR | If I want to check if the player is in combat, should I use InCombatLockdown() or should I use UnitAffectingCombat()? |
| 05:12.09 | airtonix | if the player you want to check is not the player behind the keyboard then i assume its the latter |
| 05:12.17 | airtonix | otherwise the former |
| 05:12.32 | DWSR | By player I meant unitID player. |
| 05:12.32 | airtonix | but then i wouldn't know |
| 05:13.09 | Thunder_Child | lol PlayerErrorIsPEBKAC() |
| 05:13.17 | Thunder_Child | i think thats needed |
| 05:13.22 | DWSR | indeed |
| 05:13.29 | airtonix | DWSR, there is also a few other functions that will show you the combat related status of a unit |
| 05:13.50 | airtonix | DWSR, because i think that just buffing someone will return true for playerAffectingcombat lalala |
| 05:13.53 | DWSR | airtonix: I searched wowprogramming's api reference for combat, but that's it |
| 05:14.23 | airtonix | !info unitishostile |
| 05:14.38 | airtonix | !search WouldLikeAnIndexPlease |
| 05:14.54 | Thunder_Child | !api unitishostile |
| 05:14.54 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'unitishostile'. |
| 05:15.04 | Thunder_Child | !api UnitIsHostile |
| 05:15.05 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'UnitIsHostile'. |
| 05:15.14 | airtonix | imo bot needs a cmd list help function |
| 05:15.18 | airtonix | !help |
| 05:15.18 | batbot | airtonix: http://lua-users.org/wiki/BatBot |
| 05:15.21 | Thunder_Child | !api |
| 05:17.24 | DWSR | http://pastebin.com/d5c407df7 <- This is a script that I have in a frame's OnEvent handler. |
| 05:17.31 | DWSR | That should work, correct? |
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| 05:17.53 | DWSR | I want the frame shown whenever player is in combat or has a target, hidden otherwise. |
| 05:17.58 | Thunder_Child | !api combat |
| 05:17.58 | lua_bot | Found 28 possible matches for 'combat'. Please be more specific |
| 05:18.11 | airtonix | DWSR, this is for ouf? |
| 05:18.23 | DWSR | airtonix: No, it's for kgpanels. |
| 05:18.45 | airtonix | DWSR, slightly off topic : have you played with litepanels? |
| 05:18.53 | DWSR | airtonix: No, why? |
| 05:19.10 | airtonix | DWSR, i like it for the same reasons i like ouf |
| 05:19.24 | DWSR | Oh, I have seen it, don't want to use it. |
| 05:19.32 | DWSR | No in-game configuration is frustrating. |
| 05:19.53 | airtonix | ok |
| 05:20.19 | airtonix | yes no ingame config for most ouf layouts is why i went and created ouf_smee2 and ouf_smee2_groups |
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| 05:20.36 | DWSR | yeah, I'm a big believer in real-time configuration |
| 05:20.38 | DWSR | but hey. |
| 05:20.47 | airtonix | i used ace3 for it |
| 05:20.51 | airtonix | ace3_config |
| 05:20.55 | DWSR | I'm struggling to get kgpanels to do exactly what I intend in this case and 1 other, but let's nail this down first. |
| 05:21.19 | DWSR | that script looks like it will work, correct? |
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| 05:21.43 | airtonix | i dont see why it wouldn't |
| 05:21.49 | DWSR | k |
| 05:21.55 | airtonix | but i stopped playing wow 3mths ago so i can;t be sure |
| 05:22.34 | DWSR | interesting. |
| 05:22.40 | DWSR | I get an addon crashing my client every time I reload. |
| 05:22.44 | DWSR | But not when I load. |
| 05:23.31 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that happens. I used to have reproduction steps for a crash-the-client-completely bug, but it only worked on load, not on reload. |
| 05:23.41 | ZorbaTHut | there seem to be some internal differences with the WoW state in those cases. |
| 05:24.01 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: You'd think there wouldn't be. |
| 05:24.43 | airtonix | !g wowinterface |
| 05:24.44 | batbot | airtonix: WoWInterface - Find World of Warcraft AddOns! <http://www.wowinterface.com/> |
| 05:24.53 | ZorbaTHut | eh, there's a difference between "connect to the server" and "reboot your UI" |
| 05:25.03 | airtonix | !g appdb fall of the lich king |
| 05:25.03 | ZorbaTHut | your character doesn't leave the server, you don't join channels, etc, etc |
| 05:25.04 | batbot | airtonix: WineHQ - World of Warcraft 3.3.X <http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=18555> |
| 05:25.26 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: In terms of the client sending messages to the UI, there shouldn't be. |
| 05:25.32 | DWSR | All the same events fire when you load and when you reload. |
| 05:25.52 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, that's not actually true - the "enter channel" thing, for example, doesn't |
| 05:26.04 | ZorbaTHut | and there are bugs and code that depend on the internal C state of WoW |
| 05:26.16 | ZorbaTHut | the bug I'm referring to tickled some uninitialized thing in the achievement system, for example. |
| 05:26.28 | DWSR | interesting. |
| 05:26.39 | DWSR | Can frames stop other frames from receiving events? |
| 05:26.41 | DWSR | Or delay them? |
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| 05:28.12 | ZorbaTHut | Maybe. You could always hook the frame function/event handler and then just not pass the event on. |
| 05:28.35 | ZorbaTHut | I've got some code in QH to explicitly dodge people doing exactly that, either intentionally or accidentally. |
| 05:28.48 | DWSR | Because I think SUF is fucking with the UNIT_TARGET event. |
| 05:29.25 | DWSR | the panel that I'm show/hiding when UNIT_TARGET fires is not doing so instantly, but rather when the SUFUnitPlayer frame has totally faded in/out. |
| 05:31.16 | airtonix | what is the process called when you generate docuementation from source code comments? |
| 05:31.27 | DWSR | inline documentation? |
| 05:31.38 | kd3 | ~wiki doxygen |
| 05:31.44 | kd3 | er |
| 05:31.44 | airtonix | ah yes doxy |
| 05:37.43 | DWSR | lt is less than in lua, correct? |
| 05:42.17 | Cide| | < |
| 05:56.07 | DWSR | FUCK FAGGITY FAT FUCKING STUPID FAGGGY FUCK FUCK SHIT FUCKING CUNT OCULUS |
| 05:57.03 | Cairenn | DWSR |
| 05:57.11 | DWSR | *cough* yes? |
| 05:57.21 | Cairenn | are you quite alright? |
| 05:57.31 | DWSR | Just fine |
| 05:57.36 | Cairenn | oh good |
| 05:58.19 | airtonix | burn him! |
| 05:58.23 | tekkub | Cockulus |
| 05:58.25 | airtonix | he turned me into a newt |
| 05:58.28 | tekkub | that's all you need |
| 05:58.33 | Thunder_Child | ~lart tekkub |
| 05:58.33 | purl | turns tekkub into a lifesized tux doll |
| 05:58.43 | DWSR | lol |
| 05:58.46 | DWSR | I got better. |
| 05:58.51 | airtonix | ... |
| 05:58.54 | airtonix | thats my line |
| 05:59.00 | airtonix | BURN HIM |
| 05:59.20 | airtonix | also (before DWSR steals it) very small rocks |
| 05:59.26 | DWSR | lol |
| 05:59.38 | Cairenn | a duck! |
| 06:00.28 | DWSR | So if she floats, she ways the same as a duck |
| 06:00.33 | airtonix | my shakesperian straining is quite extensive don't you know. of the five cereal boxes i've used i'm upto the third one! |
| 06:00.43 | airtonix | typing is only at the first though |
| 06:00.54 | DWSR | Alright stop that, STOP THAT |
| 06:00.56 | DWSR | This is getting silly. |
| 06:01.33 | airtonix | ok ok ok... today i'll show you how to kill a man with a bannana |
| 06:01.57 | airtonix | first: you eat the bannana |
| 06:02.08 | airtonix | (so he can't disarm you and use it against you) |
| 06:02.15 | airtonix | second: you shoot him |
| 06:02.52 | DWSR | hehehe |
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| 06:08.38 | Ancu | so, hello all |
| 06:09.19 | Cairenn | hi |
| 06:09.20 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:09.24 | Ancu | has shirik killed anyone while I was gone? |
| 06:09.28 | DWSR | Feltard Cleave + Growl pulling threat. |
| 06:09.29 | Ancu | lol |
| 06:09.31 | DWSR | Ancu: Not yet. |
| 06:09.39 | DWSR | I'm about to kill this paladin thoguh |
| 06:09.49 | Ancu | So fisker is still alive then> |
| 06:09.53 | Ancu | ?* |
| 06:09.54 | Cairenn | not lately |
| 06:26.56 | Shirik | am I supposed to kill people? |
| 06:27.06 | Wobin | It's in the charter |
| 06:27.21 | DWSR | I cannot believe that they fucking broke Lightweave for warlocks AGAIN. |
| 06:27.31 | DWSR | Absolutely fucking amazing. |
| 06:28.05 | DWSR | Absolutely blows my mind as to how something can BREAK. AGAIN. |
| 06:29.39 | DWSR | Do people not run this shit through a syntax checker before they commit it? Honestly. |
| 06:29.56 | ZorbaTHut | I am kind of amazed sometimes at their clear lack of regression tests. |
| 06:31.09 | DWSR | I don't know exactly which patch it was, but they made Lightweave not proc off of Fel Armor ticks. |
| 06:31.13 | DWSR | Now it fucking ticks again |
| 06:31.20 | DWSR | s/ticks/procs from ticks/ |
| 06:31.29 | DWSR | Even 100% overheal ticks. |
| 06:34.35 | ZorbaTHut | so you got a minor annoying buff? :D |
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| 06:51.26 | DWSR | no, it's a DPS decrease. |
| 06:51.47 | DWSR | Because Lightweave may or may not be partway through the duration when you start combat. |
| 06:52.07 | DWSR | Meaning it's on ICD without benefiting me in combat the full duration |
| 06:53.26 | DWSR | Or it could be on the CD when I start combat. |
| 06:53.37 | DWSR | etc. etc, basically, it's a bug regression AND it's annoying. |
| 06:54.04 | DWSR | On a side note, 25k soulfire crits in H Nex is lolop. |
| 06:58.35 | ZorbaTHut | on the other hand, it might proc slightly faster. in an infinitely long fight it's a net damage increase :D |
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| 07:19.13 | DWSR | infinitely long fights do not happen |
| 07:21.07 | Cairenn | ~seen nevcairiel |
| 07:21.08 | purl | nevcairiel is currently on #wowuidev (9h 25m 26s) #wowace (9h 25m 26s) #curseforge (9h 25m 26s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 7h 18m 56s, last said: 'lore in raids is usually just lacking'. |
| 07:25.53 | ZorbaTHut | you didn't see that Bronjahm fight I did a while back :( |
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| 07:45.00 | DWSR | lol |
| 07:45.18 | DWSR | people couldn't understand why I got excited when Papa's New Bag dropped. |
| 07:45.21 | DWSR | I was like =\ |
| 07:45.39 | DWSR | Godfather of Soul? Brand New Back? BROHNJAM? |
| 07:45.43 | DWSR | s/Back/Bag/ |
| 07:46.46 | Amarande | what's Papa's New Bag? |
| 07:46.49 | Amarande | 24 slotter? |
| 07:50.45 | ZorbaTHut | 22-slot |
| 07:50.58 | ZorbaTHut | or maybe 20-slot, the Brand New Bag is the 22-slot |
| 07:51.17 | ZorbaTHut | I admit I didn't get the Bronjahm joke until someone mentioned it to me :( |
| 07:54.43 | Amarande | gah, you actually have to be a current-content raider to get the 91.5 ammo recipes :( |
| 07:55.01 | Amarande | why couldn't they have just made the recipes tradable for gold like the last two tiers, instead of this silly rep thing :) |
| 07:55.12 | Jerub | anyone know why hold shift wouldn't compare items for me? |
| 07:55.15 | Jerub | one of my toons doesn't do it. |
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| 07:58.16 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I hear the rep is farmable |
| 07:59.18 | Amarande | Zorba: sure, if you already do ... hmm, not sure what the DPS standard is yet, as I don't think I've seen an LFM ICC10 or ICC25 yet |
| 07:59.47 | Amarande | Gearscore doesn't seem to have a gear snob rating for it yet either |
| 07:59.55 | ZorbaTHut | there was some group on my server doing it, and it wasn't all my guild, which implies it's not *that* bad to farm |
| 08:00.27 | Amarande | you know what the sad thing about things like gearscore and recount is |
| 08:00.30 | Amarande | it's kinda viral. |
| 08:00.30 | ZorbaTHut | pretty sure it wasn't a full group also, so, I mean, you can always get in and leech if you can find one |
| 08:00.50 | Amarande | first some folks get into a snobbish tizzy over dps and gear standards |
| 08:01.06 | Amarande | and next thing the addons are basically required basic addons for -everyone- if only so they can know whether they measure up :S |
| 08:01.48 | Amarande | despite the fact that DPS meters, if I'm reading this stuff on EJ right, are actually detrimental in many situations |
| 08:01.51 | ZorbaTHut | and then they make LFG and suddenly you don't need them anymore |
| 08:01.52 | ZorbaTHut | :D |
| 08:02.02 | ZorbaTHut | I do hope they make a raid equivalent. |
| 08:02.04 | Amarande | Zorba: still need 'em for raids though heh |
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| 08:02.40 | ZorbaTHut | really, I think they need to figure out a way to deal with lockout better. the flat weekly raid lockout is just a huge problem. |
| 08:02.41 | Amarande | apparently, there have been several people asking on EJ questions they shouldn't, which tend to amount to asking how to pump the meters when what pumps the meters actually isn't what's best for the raid. |
| 08:03.22 | Amarande | Zorba: lockout has its bright side on the other hand though |
| 08:03.53 | Amarande | people who aren't as well geared often get to go on Sunday and Monday night PUGs without as much prejudice, because RLs know that most of the really geared folks are already saved |
| 08:04.05 | ZorbaTHut | true |
| 08:04.35 | ZorbaTHut | but if they were able to put together a raid LFG system, I think some of that would go away, in much the same way as group LFG fixed heroic problems. |
| 08:04.56 | Amarande | if there wasn't lockout, next thing to get into PUGs I'd probably have to somehow already do ... I'm sure it'll soar to 5.5k-6k after ICC gear proliferates, and be able to link an achievement showing I've already done the raid :P |
| 08:05.12 | Amarande | which won't be fun when I try to go for that bow on my hunter heh |
| 08:05.25 | ZorbaTHut | or punch the "looking for random raid" button |
| 08:05.27 | ZorbaTHut | and bam raid |
| 08:05.44 | Amarande | say ... think we'll start seeing more bows in cata, or are bows basically obsoleting from the game? |
| 08:06.13 | ZorbaTHut | ain't got a clue. I doubt they're obsolete, they just don't fit with the style of ulduar |
| 08:06.14 | Amarande | there's way more guns, and even more crossbows, a weapon you virtually don't see much of at all till highish levels |
| 08:06.31 | ZorbaTHut | it's pretty unimportant though, are there any ways in which bows and crossbows aren't interchangable? |
| 08:06.37 | Amarande | oddly, Ulduar is one of the only places that has a reasonably accessible 232+ bow |
| 08:06.50 | Amarande | just the skill. you get to suck for quite a while if you never used crossbows before. |
| 08:06.57 | Amarande | just as I'll probably find out when I get my first seriously used bow. |
| 08:07.02 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I doubt that's a high priority for blizzard |
| 08:07.24 | ZorbaTHut | they probably just toss in whatever they think will be awesome. |
| 08:07.33 | Amarande | I'm still trying to figure out exactly how much DPS increase going from 67.5 to 91.5 ammo actually means for the average reasonably geared hunter |
| 08:07.45 | ZorbaTHut | spreadsheet. |
| 08:07.54 | Amarande | I'm supposing it's a good bit more than 24, or there'd be no point :) |
| 08:08.13 | ZorbaTHut | it would be 24 if you were merely autoattacking. |
| 08:08.17 | ZorbaTHut | actually that's a lie |
| 08:08.26 | ZorbaTHut | it would be 24 if you were autoattacking with 0% crit chance and 0% miss |
| 08:08.29 | Amarande | in fact, if it was strict sticker value, you probably might as well use vendor light shot like you used way back as a noob heh |
| 08:08.49 | ZorbaTHut | and 0% haste probably. |
| 08:08.51 | Amarande | seeing how little the difference between 2 and 91.5 is at those levels of DPS. |
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| 08:09.37 | Amarande | at least they did add a bow in ICC, I forget if it's in the 10 or 25 though |
| 08:09.50 | Amarande | although, I probably won't be seeing that till after I already have the one from Auriaya |
| 08:10.04 | kaiden | is there a /command to run macros? |
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| 08:11.49 | Amarande | ok, let's see if those stupid blacksmithing plans popped yet |
| 08:12.07 | nevcairiel | Cairenn: ? |
| 08:12.16 | Amarande | thank you blizzard, making a rarish limited supply vendor recipe be a requirement for a blacksmithing QUEST |
| 08:12.17 | Amarande | *sigh* |
| 08:12.29 | Amarande | yay, there we go. |
| 08:12.56 | Cairenn | nevcairiel: ag_UnitFrames - are you still maintaining it? |
| 08:13.04 | nevcairiel | not so much |
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| 08:13.25 | Cairenn | nevcairiel: as in it's dead? or someone else has taken it over? or ? |
| 08:13.50 | nevcairiel | mostly dead, shadowed maintained it for a while but then wrote a new unit frame |
| 08:13.59 | Shadowed | I maintained it for like |
| 08:14.01 | Shadowed | a week |
| 08:14.05 | Shadowed | then I realized the code sucked |
| 08:14.05 | Cairenn | okay |
| 08:14.30 | nevcairiel | I switched to something else, too |
| 08:14.35 | Amarande | you mean people use something other than x-perl? :) |
| 08:14.37 | nevcairiel | it just was too broken at some point |
| 08:14.39 | Amarande | heh |
| 08:14.39 | Shadowed | kill agUF |
| 08:14.41 | Shadowed | kill it with fire |
| 08:14.50 | nevcairiel | I love my oUF layout |
| 08:14.56 | nevcairiel | although i wonder where my party pets went |
| 08:14.58 | nevcairiel | checks code |
| 08:16.07 | nevcairiel | hm i apparently never added party pet support .. weird, i could've sworn i did :P |
| 08:17.03 | DWSR | Isn't Frostmourne not a usable item? |
| 08:17.40 | DWSR | Shadowed: WTB a way to turn off frame fading and have it snap show/hide |
| 08:21.59 | Amarande | DWSR: that's what they say, I presume we won't know if it's even an item at all till the Lich King becomes fightable |
| 08:22.16 | DWSR | Well, Shadowmourne's the legendary plate DPS axe. |
| 08:22.21 | Amarande | I suppose they might end up having it drop as the MacGuffin for some quest, but who knows |
| 08:22.22 | DWSR | imo, Frostmourne should be a spellcaster sword. |
| 08:23.38 | Amarande | DWSR: you're saying the caster Quel'Delar isn't good enough for you? :) |
| 08:23.43 | DWSR | It's garbage. |
| 08:23.45 | DWSR | It's a welfare epic. |
| 08:24.50 | DWSR | though it is a nice looking piece of garbage. |
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| 08:45.50 | Thunder_Child | 251 isnt quite welfare |
| 08:46.29 | Amarande | T_C: some people think anything that doesn't require you to farm raids for weeks is welfare :P |
| 08:46.39 | Amarande | remember, folks bitched when tier gear started being bought with badges |
| 08:46.55 | Amarande | because GOD FORBID someone should be allowed to catch up later in an expansion, or gear up an alt quickly |
| 08:47.34 | DWSR | I have no problem with the previous tier gear dropping from heroics. |
| 08:47.40 | DWSR | 232 dropping from heroics is fine by me. |
| 08:47.46 | DWSR | 251 dropping from heroics is a fucking welfare. |
| 08:48.25 | DWSR | s/a // |
| 08:48.39 | Amarande | DWSR: so getting a good weapon should still be something you *have* to raid for weeks on end for? |
| 08:48.52 | DWSR | No, 232 weapons are still good weapons. |
| 08:48.53 | Wobin | naturally |
| 08:48.57 | Thunder_Child | top end gear is 277 however |
| 08:49.00 | Wobin | everything else is CATERING TO CASUALS |
| 08:49.00 | DWSR | 251 weapons are great weapons |
| 08:49.12 | Amarande | DWSR: and FWIW, most of the time to even get a 232 weapon you need to raid for weeks on end |
| 08:49.22 | DWSR | No you don't. 232 weapons drop in Forge. |
| 08:49.23 | DWSR | GG. |
| 08:49.35 | Amarande | Okay, need*ed* to raid for weeks on end. |
| 08:49.40 | Wobin | it's true |
| 08:49.40 | DWSR | Right. |
| 08:49.43 | Wobin | I got Surgeon's Needle |
| 08:49.46 | Wobin | the other night |
| 08:49.54 | DWSR | As I said, I don't mind the previous tier dropping easily. |
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| 08:50.06 | DWSR | The current tier should require raiding, the end. |
| 08:50.22 | DWSR | It's not like ICC 10 is hard. |
| 08:50.22 | nevcairiel | 251 is just the 10man non-hard tier |
| 08:50.30 | nevcairiel | i dont mind the quest |
| 08:50.43 | DWSR | nevcairiel: ICC10 isn't hard either. |
| 08:50.55 | DWSR | You can gear an alt in mostly 232/245 in less than a week now. |
| 08:51.00 | DWSR | Probably 2 or 3 days at most. |
| 08:51.07 | DWSR | After that, spank Morrowgar for some loot. End. |
| 08:51.23 | DWSR | As I said, I have no problem with the reduced time requirements that Blizzard is putting into things. |
| 08:51.25 | nevcairiel | i just started playing again after a 6month break |
| 08:51.33 | nevcairiel | i know how fast gearing up is :P |
| 08:51.52 | DWSR | Quel'Delar isn't even all that good, frankly. |
| 08:51.54 | Thunder_Child | not fast enough |
| 08:52.17 | ZorbaTHut | it's a single rare-drop weapon with a long questline. it's not exactly breaking the itemization curve. |
| 08:52.24 | nevcairiel | i wanted to get QD, but i got some staff from icc10 now |
| 08:52.35 | Thunder_Child | rare drop after the first day anyway |
| 08:52.35 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yes it is. It's tradeable. |
| 08:52.45 | ZorbaTHut | no, it isn't. it's a *single weapon*. |
| 08:52.54 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: You can trade the quest item. |
| 08:52.57 | ZorbaTHut | when you can get better BoE stuff, a single weapon is just not an issue. |
| 08:53.00 | DWSR | Nullifying the rareness of the drop. |
| 08:53.09 | ZorbaTHut | I mean seriously, are you going to complain about the ICC BoE craftables? |
| 08:53.18 | DWSR | No, because you have to raid to get the patterns. |
| 08:53.24 | ZorbaTHut | No, you don't. |
| 08:53.24 | DWSR | And you have to farm mats. |
| 08:53.28 | ZorbaTHut | *some guy* has to raid to get the patterns. |
| 08:53.30 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Well, someone did. |
| 08:53.33 | DWSR | And you still have to farm the mats. |
| 08:53.37 | nevcairiel | what about the BoE raid drops? |
| 08:53.37 | ZorbaTHut | *some guy* has to farm mats. You just buy it off the AH. |
| 08:53.37 | DWSR | You're putting in *some* work. |
| 08:53.43 | ZorbaTHut | And you're putting in work here also. |
| 08:53.48 | ZorbaTHut | You're farming the weapon, or buying it from someone |
| 08:53.52 | ZorbaTHut | and then you're going and doing all the quests. |
| 08:53.58 | Wobin | hm... |
| 08:54.00 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Are the quests hard? |
| 08:54.02 | Amarande | tell me we don't start at hated with ashen verdict or something sadistic like that, btw? :) |
| 08:54.03 | Wobin | looking at the numbers on grid |
| 08:54.06 | DWSR | Or is it just go to a, b, c, and b. |
| 08:54.07 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know about you but I wasn't given a quel'delar when I logged in. |
| 08:54.09 | Wobin | and the numbers on my UF |
| 08:54.13 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, time-consuming. I don't know any more than that. |
| 08:54.14 | Wobin | the periodic heals don't match |
| 08:54.26 | ZorbaTHut | of course, making money isn't hard either |
| 08:54.30 | DWSR | Amarande: No, you start at neutral and you can hit exalted trash farming ICC. |
| 08:54.31 | ZorbaTHut | so I don't see why that has anything to do with it :P |
| 08:54.37 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: And let's not forget buying it. |
| 08:54.53 | ZorbaTHut | as opposed to the hilt, which teleports itself into your pack the instant you ask someone for it |
| 08:55.04 | ZorbaTHut | oh wait, it doesn't, you have to buy that too (or get lucky for a drop) |
| 08:55.05 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut, Can I have a hilt? |
| 08:55.09 | Wobin | checks his pack |
| 08:55.10 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, DENIED |
| 08:55.14 | DWSR | NO DEAL. |
| 08:55.21 | ZorbaTHut | defeated by the power of hyperbole! |
| 08:55.27 | DWSR | lol |
| 08:55.48 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Here's my thing. |
| 08:55.54 | DWSR | It drops out of a heroic. |
| 08:55.59 | DWSR | QED welfare. The end. |
| 08:57.06 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* I disagree. It's a single item for a single slot that is a rare drop, takes a bunch of effort, and happens to equal a badly-itemized item from the lowest current tier of raiding. Thus not welfare. The end. |
| 08:57.11 | DWSR | BoE trash epics and craftables all drop out of raids, making them rarer. Stuff like Merlin's Robe required you to fucking farm 8 Crusader Orbs. When T9 was current tier, people not raiding didn't get Crusader Orbs that quickly. |
| 08:57.41 | Amarande | and now Crusader Orbs are getting dirt cheap |
| 08:57.49 | DWSR | Of course, because Triumph flows like water. |
| 08:57.54 | DWSR | I've farmed 122 in 2 day. |
| 08:57.56 | DWSR | 2 days* |
| 08:58.22 | DWSR | Get a guild group of a tank, healer, 2 DPS, pug last DPS, win. |
| 08:58.31 | DWSR | Just chain pull zerg everything to the ground, walk out. |
| 08:59.11 | DWSR | the only instance that even poses a challenge is HoR. |
| 08:59.18 | DWSR | And we just cheese LoS corner strat that, so it's not a big deal. |
| 08:59.42 | Amarande | DWSR: by "get a guild group" you mean "clicky random heroic dungeon finder" right? :D |
| 08:59.58 | DWSR | No. I mean get 4 people from your guild who are well geared and not retarded. |
| 09:00.15 | ZorbaTHut | yeah honestly my guild runs tend to be slower than random heroics because the random heroic people know they're replacable :P |
| 09:00.35 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I run with the GM and we're one of the top progression guilds on server. |
| 09:00.43 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: We fucking motor. |
| 09:01.04 | ZorbaTHut | so, anyway, that lets you basically farm items that are a whopping six item levels below quel'danar |
| 09:01.15 | ZorbaTHut | and 13 item levels above any heroic gear. |
| 09:01.44 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I dunno about you, but I don't look to heroics for drops (except maybe a neckpiece, since my Evoker's charm is garbage now). |
| 09:01.52 | DWSR | So it's all just DE trash |
| 09:03.14 | ZorbaTHut | neither do I, but considering that your entire argument is "it lets you get items that are equal to the current raid tier", when it's a single item that is only *slightly* better in terms of ilvl than the items that you apparently have no trouble with . . . |
| 09:03.36 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I understand it seems a little silly. |
| 09:03.40 | ZorbaTHut | and is *less* good than other items that can be purchased with raw money, not even needing to do quests or run heroics |
| 09:03.41 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: But it's a bit symbolic. |
| 09:03.52 | Amarande | DWSR: I believe in my guild on the "not retarded" half, however, sadly, the "well geared" portion is still being worked on by most of them :S |
| 09:04.05 | ZorbaTHut | it doesn't seem silly, it seems kind of petty and jealous, honestly. You're saying "they don't get our toys, they're not good enough". |
| 09:04.20 | ZorbaTHut | Rather than simply saying "hey, yeah, it's a pretty neat questline and you get a shiny sword". |
| 09:04.25 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I will have less of a problem with it once ICC opens up more. |
| 09:04.53 | DWSR | But right now there's no way to differentiate yourself from all the scrubs farming heroics and saving Frost. |
| 09:05.10 | DWSR | Progression's cool and all, but like.. =\ only a few drops between 25 people. |
| 09:05.13 | ZorbaTHut | Yes there is. You can fill far more slots and get far more diverse gear. |
| 09:05.25 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Not atm you can't. |
| 09:05.25 | ZorbaTHut | And you can get better gear, especially if you're doing 25. |
| 09:05.44 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Each boss drops 3 epics in 25 man. |
| 09:05.49 | DWSR | That's 12 in total this week |
| 09:05.50 | ZorbaTHut | well, you've got all the emblem-of-frost drops *and* all the raid item drops, so I'd call that "more slots". |
| 09:06.31 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Like I said, once ICC opens up more and we see a) a bigger chance to have more slots filled with ICC ilvl gear and b) a bigger chance to HAVE ICC ilvl gear, I'll probably be less upset. |
| 09:06.33 | ZorbaTHut | and the frost emblems only give you back/chest/waist/gloves/ranged/trinket, so any slot besides those six, you can replace in raids and not with frost. |
| 09:07.09 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I wish they would have waited until heroic mode to open up before implementing Quel'Delar, imo. |
| 09:07.15 | ZorbaTHut | (and it's not like anyone is going to be able to save up for chest armor by then without raiding anyway :P) |
| 09:07.42 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Exactly. RIGHT NOW, there is no way for people who do ICC to differentiate from those who don't. |
| 09:07.46 | DWSR | Because most people won't have had a drop yet. |
| 09:08.20 | ZorbaTHut | if by "most people", you mean "less than half of people", then yes, you're correct. |
| 09:08.35 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I don't see how you get less than half. |
| 09:08.42 | ZorbaTHut | well, 12 epics in 25-man |
| 09:08.46 | DWSR | And 8 in 10m. |
| 09:08.49 | ZorbaTHut | so that's about half |
| 09:08.54 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: No, it's not. |
| 09:08.57 | ZorbaTHut | right, so, that's well under half |
| 09:09.01 | DWSR | Because you're assuming that you can equip/use every one of those epics. |
| 09:09.14 | ZorbaTHut | no, I'm assuming that the epics end up roughly evenly distributed among guildmembers. |
| 09:09.24 | ZorbaTHut | it doesn't matter if you can use any particular one as long as they get distributed out reasonably. |
| 09:09.27 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Which won't happen, yet. |
| 09:09.31 | ZorbaTHut | why won't it? |
| 09:09.41 | DWSR | Because we don't have a large enough sample size. |
| 09:09.55 | DWSR | 4 bosses worth of loot may have dropped all plate, some caster, some tank. |
| 09:09.57 | ZorbaTHut | I did say "roughly". And in 10-man you almost end up with one epic *per person*. |
| 09:10.19 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I've had plenty where I've won 3 pieces, and plenty where I've won none, purely because there weren't any for me to win |
| 09:10.28 | DWSR | The loot distribution *will* become even. |
| 09:10.32 | DWSR | Right now, it's biased. |
| 09:10.33 | ZorbaTHut | Sure, the RNG might hate you. Or it might not. And considering that there's enough epics for each person to get, on average, about 1.3, I feel quite confident claiming that "more than half of people" who do both 25-man and 10-man now have an epic. |
| 09:10.43 | ZorbaTHut | no, it's not biased. Not over all players. The sample size *is* huge. |
| 09:10.49 | ZorbaTHut | it's just huge among a large number of people. |
| 09:11.14 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Right, but when you're looking at a fairly small population (e.g. a realm), the data skews. |
| 09:11.30 | ZorbaTHut | sure. some realms, everyone's going to have an epic who raids. |
| 09:12.06 | ZorbaTHut | some realms it's going to be less than that. as I said: *well over half* of the successful 25-man raid members now probably have some epic item from ICC. |
| 09:12.15 | ZorbaTHut | and that's across all realms, averaged. |
| 09:13.04 | DWSR | I agree there, but on a realm scale (which is where it mostly matters, since players from other realms see you infrequently and only for short periods even then), you can't say that |
| 09:13.43 | ZorbaTHut | yes, I can say that the average realm fits that profile as well :) |
| 09:14.03 | ZorbaTHut | and yes, there will be outliers (though I'd have to sit down with more statistics to figure out how outlying those outliers are.) |
| 09:14.09 | Amarande | DWSR: yeah, I still remember that fail kara run where we went all the way up to chess event and not a single fracking piece of aff lock useful caster dps gear dropped |
| 09:14.23 | Amarande | the only piece of caster dps cloth that even dropped was ... fire spellpower, IIRC |
| 09:14.39 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, yeah, though note that in BC gear was significantly more specialized than it is now |
| 09:14.55 | DWSR | Right |
| 09:15.06 | DWSR | Which still reminds me, metamorphasis needs to be permanent melee deeps form. |
| 09:15.33 | ZorbaTHut | modern armor is split up into very few categories. clothspell/clothheal, leatherspell/leatherphys/leatherheal, mailspell/mailphys/mailheal, platephys/plateheal/platetank |
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| 09:15.51 | ZorbaTHut | with non-armor-type gear being split among spell/heal/phys/tank. |
| 09:16.37 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Some of those categories are definitely larger than others, though. |
| 09:16.54 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, oh, sure, but it's not like when fire spellpower gear dropped and you hoped you had a destro lock or a fire mage |
| 09:16.56 | DWSR | I've noticed lots of trees who wear 70% cloth, for example. Just because the pieces are much easier to come by. |
| 09:17.03 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: For sure. :) |
| 09:18.25 | DWSR | The leatherspell and leatherheal sets should probably be removed, tbh. |
| 09:19.08 | ZorbaTHut | by that logic, so should mailspell and mailheal |
| 09:19.33 | ZorbaTHut | and plateheal. |
| 09:19.59 | ZorbaTHut | not that I necessarily disagree that some of that could use stripping down, but there's no real reason to focus on leather. |
| 09:20.18 | Amarande | DWSR: what would trees and boomkin use, then? |
| 09:20.27 | DWSR | cloth |
| 09:20.32 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, depending on how wacky they want to go, either cloth or rogue leather :D |
| 09:20.34 | Amarande | unless you presume that either all raiding druids should go feral or that you want those to scale with AP |
| 09:21.03 | Amarande | DWSR: I suppose you want holy pallies and resto/ele shamans to be squishy like that too |
| 09:21.15 | DWSR | yes |
| 09:21.26 | Amarande | DWSR: so you want enh to be the only solo viable spec for shamans? |
| 09:21.32 | Amarande | enh is overrepresented as it is, IIRC |
| 09:21.33 | DWSR | No. |
| 09:21.37 | DWSR | I want fucking squishy healers in PvP. |
| 09:21.41 | Amarande | DWSR: that would basically be the case, though. |
| 09:21.56 | DWSR | Because plate wearing paladins are fucking stupid OP just do to innate damage reduction from armor. |
| 09:22.02 | Amarande | because melee is too significant a part of the life of a soloing elemental shaman, it's not like they're going to just stay at range and let you zap them with lightning. |
| 09:22.02 | ZorbaTHut | personally, I'd combine leatherspell and leatherheal into one thing, mailspell and mailheal into one thing, and make holy pallies function off platedps gear |
| 09:22.20 | ZorbaTHut | you'd need a bit of gimmicking to keep druids from just switching entirely to cloth, but I suspect it's doable. |
| 09:22.24 | Amarande | but if you make them melee in cloth, they'll be dying a lot. |
| 09:22.31 | Amarande | DWSR: the game is not balanced around PvP :D |
| 09:22.49 | Amarande | and generally, whenever Blizzard makes a major balancing decision designed to fix PvP, it ends up being epic fail |
| 09:22.54 | Amarande | so that's probably not a good thing to pressure them into :) |
| 09:23.02 | DWSR | Amarande: The game needs to start having seperate mechanics for PvE and PvP as a standard, not as exceptions |
| 09:23.15 | DWSR | CoD not castable on players? |
| 09:23.17 | DWSR | Why the fuck not? |
| 09:23.34 | DWSR | If you can't fucking decurse a dot that doesn't tick for a whole fucking minute, you deserve to take the damage. |
| 09:23.35 | Amarande | DWSR: you're still doing things like making the pve life of a soloing elemental shaman significantly harder just because you want them to be squishier in pvp |
| 09:23.49 | Amarande | or a soloing boomkin |
| 09:23.53 | DWSR | Amarande: You seem to think that, as a lock, I have simpathy for them. |
| 09:23.55 | Amarande | c'mon, some of us want an alternative to cat and enh |
| 09:24.07 | DWSR | sympathy* |
| 09:24.12 | Amarande | I'm sure by the time I hit 80 I'll be fucking sick of cat. |
| 09:24.15 | DWSR | anyway, I have 1 wor for you |
| 09:24.17 | DWSR | word* |
| 09:24.19 | DWSR | Healing. |
| 09:24.20 | DWSR | EOF. |
| 09:25.00 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, healing doesn't have much to do with damage taken or burst resistance |
| 09:25.19 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yes it does. If you don't have healing, you die. |
| 09:25.25 | DWSR | If you do, you live. |
| 09:25.29 | DWSR | Pretty binary to me. |
| 09:25.31 | Amarande | and DWSR |
| 09:25.43 | ZorbaTHut | plus, note that every single class has some kind of major survivability ability. plate tends to be based around armor, but as you move down in the armor classes, they gain more and more wacky survivability bonuses. |
| 09:25.46 | Amarande | you know I know damn well about the fail experience that is being a warlock in pvp these days |
| 09:26.04 | Amarande | I think that's one of the many reasons I've gotten mostly bored of my warlock and mostly use her to make money now |
| 09:26.11 | ZorbaTHut | simply turning paladins into clothwearers does, in fact, make them significantly more vulnerable than normal clothies. |
| 09:26.15 | Esamynn | cd opt |
| 09:26.19 | Esamynn | oops |
| 09:26.23 | Esamynn | wrong window |
| 09:26.23 | ZorbaTHut | opt: directory not found |
| 09:26.29 | Amarande | not to mention farm the fucking fuckloads of mithril the thrice-cursed armorsmithing quest line needs because I'm out of gold to buy it on the ah again |
| 09:26.41 | Amarande | and I need to farm two stacks of truesilver, this is gonna be FUN :| |
| 09:27.07 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: What..err....survivability ability do Warlocks have? |
| 09:27.13 | DWSR | Can you clue me in on this one? |
| 09:27.21 | DWSR | I haven't found it in my spellbook, might have forgot to train it |
| 09:27.22 | Amarande | DWSR: *now* you understand why I QQ'd about warlocks and pvp? :) |
| 09:27.30 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, death coil, fel armor |
| 09:27.34 | ZorbaTHut | multiple fears |
| 09:27.39 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Sharing a DR. |
| 09:27.40 | ZorbaTHut | afflication has a ton of life steal |
| 09:27.44 | Amarande | DWSR: *now* you understand that we utterly suck at pvp? :) |
| 09:27.49 | DWSR | Amarande: Shut up. |
| 09:27.56 | ZorbaTHut | I didn't say they were magic one-shot fixes-everything survivability, I said it was survivability. |
| 09:28.01 | DWSR | Or, more accurately, stop highlighting me. |
| 09:28.12 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, I'm a warrior. my survivability ability is that I die slowly. |
| 09:28.15 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr dwsr dwsr dwsr |
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| 09:28.42 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Affliction's life steal assumes that the enemy is retarded enough to let him life |
| 09:28.45 | DWSR | live* |
| 09:28.59 | DWSR | Whenever I saw Aff warlocks in BGs pre3.3, I just went LOLOLIMMOCONFLAG. |
| 09:29.07 | DWSR | That took care of that problem. |
| 09:29.15 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, sure. again, I am not claiming that they are instant perfect abilities. on the other hand, a holy pally's survivability is a bubble and the fact that they can heal. |
| 09:29.23 | ZorbaTHut | even priests have more than that. |
| 09:29.33 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Wings? DS? |
| 09:30.00 | DWSR | Warlocks have a large health pool and a CC that everyone's got a break for. |
| 09:30.13 | DWSR | Not counting the fucking trinket. |
| 09:30.17 | Esamynn | QQ more |
| 09:30.23 | Amarande | Yeah, that's one of the problems, caster CC is too easily breakable in PvP |
| 09:30.32 | ZorbaTHut | wings helps a bit, but it's not a huge amount of health. I mean, again, "you can heal". it's not a big chunk. |
| 09:30.35 | DWSR | Esamynn: I happened to like Warlock PvP as destro. |
| 09:30.42 | Amarande | unlike, say, MELEE CC that is always fucking RED debuffs that can't be dispelled AT ALL other than if you're a pally with a bubble |
| 09:30.46 | Amarande | or a mage with iceblock |
| 09:30.49 | Amarande | I think that's about it. |
| 09:30.57 | Amarande | make melee cc dispellable, then maybe things will work better |
| 09:31.05 | Esamynn | DWSR: I'm not actually taking a position, it just seemed the right thing to say ;) |
| 09:31.09 | DWSR | lol |
| 09:31.18 | DWSR | Notice I used the past tense. |
| 09:31.25 | Thunder_Child | cyclone isnt dispellable |
| 09:31.25 | DWSR | Destro PvP just got nerfed TO THE GROUND |
| 09:31.30 | Esamynn | I can hardly claim to be up-to-date on the pvp side of WoW |
| 09:31.36 | DWSR | T_C: Neither is banish, but that's oh so useable. >.< |
| 09:31.44 | Thunder_Child | but i didnt say banish |
| 09:31.45 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, on the other hand, most melee CC has rather long cooldowns or warmup periods |
| 09:31.48 | Esamynn | DWSR: indeed, I did |
| 09:32.02 | Thunder_Child | DWSR: you mean with 3.3? |
| 09:32.04 | DWSR | I want to know when the nerf for Lava Burst is coming. |
| 09:32.06 | DWSR | T_C: Yes. |
| 09:32.13 | DWSR | T_C: Conflag change. |
| 09:32.23 | DWSR | What once crit for 15k now crits for 8. |
| 09:32.24 | Thunder_Child | i'm leveling a lock atm |
| 09:32.30 | DWSR | Don't bother, or go Demo. |
| 09:32.38 | Thunder_Child | well they did say they want to get rid of burst |
| 09:32.48 | DWSR | T_C: Problem was that's all that destro was based on. |
| 09:33.21 | DWSR | T_C: Demo's kinda fun though. |
| 09:33.23 | Esamynn | I really need to learn to turn my tv off at this time of night, some scary stuff on late night tv |
| 09:33.38 | DWSR | Mostly because, when pop Meta + trinket, all of the sudden the world becomes 1 shottable. |
| 09:34.04 | DWSR | I strung together 3 25k crits in Icecrown earlier, 3 stupid hordies decided they wanted to fuck with me. |
| 09:34.13 | DWSR | Like moths to a flame, just about. |
| 09:34.22 | Amarande | T_C: that's going to be interesting while leveling, if they make it a more general policy though :| |
| 09:34.51 | ZorbaTHut | they're apparently vastly removing burst for tanking. it does seem like they're doing another HP boost |
| 09:34.53 | Amarande | if you get rid of burst you're basically doubling, tripling the HP on every mob that can heal itself, except on classes with interrupts |
| 09:35.15 | Amarande | which is going to make half the leveling areas with humanoids in them a nightmare heh |
| 09:35.17 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, every class has its weak targets. |
| 09:35.25 | ZorbaTHut | I feel like they fundamentally don't understand their stat system, though |
| 09:35.36 | ZorbaTHut | there's a very good reason why they keep having to make stam cheaper |
| 09:35.52 | ZorbaTHut | their basic equations essentially guarantee that damage is going to repeatedly outpace HP. |
| 09:35.53 | Amarande | Zorba: there are currently 4 ways to kill a mob that can heal |
| 09:36.03 | Amarande | * interrupt the heals (which only some classes can do, especially when leveling) |
| 09:36.14 | DWSR | mana burn. |
| 09:36.19 | DWSR | Kill it before it gets the heal off. |
| 09:36.24 | Amarande | * nerf their healing with MS or the like (which only some classes can do, and often need to be significantly leveled) |
| 09:36.34 | Amarande | * kill it before it gets the heal off (which often requires significant burst, which is being targeted for nerfing) |
| 09:36.56 | Amarande | * wait for it to go oom (which basically means the mob has 2-3x the HP it usually has because mob heals tend to heal for full or near so without an MS effect or such on them) |
| 09:37.11 | Amarande | Meanwhile, mobs start respawning and OMNOMNOM you in some areas. |
| 09:37.12 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, how many classes don't have interrupts, stuns, or heal preventions? I don't think there's all that many, and you can frequently just burn them down through the heal anyway |
| 09:37.27 | Amarande | Zorba: at 80, sure ... remember a lot of classes don't get those for a while when leveling though |
| 09:37.37 | Amarande | and lower level leveling areas especially are rife with humanoid mobs and healers |
| 09:37.38 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but, I mean, we're talking Cataclysm. |
| 09:37.44 | ZorbaTHut | they are redesigning entire classes nearly from scratch. |
| 09:37.52 | DWSR | No they're not. |
| 09:37.56 | ZorbaTHut | I really am not worried too much about specific abilities. |
| 09:37.57 | DWSR | I firmly don't believe that hsit. |
| 09:38.03 | DWSR | warlocks are still going to be entirely boned with Soul Shards. |
| 09:38.04 | DWSR | again |
| 09:38.16 | ZorbaTHut | pfft, you have absolutely nothing to complain about. you don't have Heroic Strike. |
| 09:38.29 | ZorbaTHut | I've played warlock. I'd trade Heroic Strike in a second for soul shards. |
| 09:38.38 | tem|afk | Dear very patient individual, |
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| 09:39.02 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Play a death knight or a paladin. |
| 09:39.14 | tem|afk | We'd like to recognize your tenacity in running dungeons with people you probably haven't met before. Hopefully you even showed some rookies the ropes in your puck-up groups. |
| 09:39.21 | DWSR | While I agree warriors have it bad as well, 1) HS is something that becomes moot and 2) Hybrid. GG\ |
| 09:39.31 | tem|afk | In short, we heard you like pugs. So here's a pug for your pug, so you can pug while you pug. Or something. |
| 09:39.34 | tem|afk | Hugs, |
| 09:39.42 | tem|afk | Your firends on the WoW DevTeam |
| 09:39.45 | ZorbaTHut | tem, flipping you various fingers right now |
| 09:39.47 | tem|afk | __awesome__ |
| 09:39.50 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, HS doesn't ever become moot |
| 09:39.55 | DWSR | yes it does. |
| 09:40.01 | Amarande | tem: is that really what it says when you earn the minipet for the random dungeon achievement? |
| 09:40.12 | ZorbaTHut | at least until you get up to high gear levels, like 245+ |
| 09:40.18 | tem|afk | that's the mail you get, yes |
| 09:40.22 | tem|afk | ZorbaTHut, :( |
| 09:40.38 | Esamynn | tem|afk: ... |
| 09:40.45 | DWSR | tem|afk: That's awesome. |
| 09:41.06 | Amarande | isn't HS eventually something you stop using as you get to higher levels unless you're prot, though? |
| 09:41.11 | DWSR | yes |
| 09:41.47 | ZorbaTHut | no, that's not true at all |
| 09:41.49 | ZorbaTHut | you actually use it more |
| 09:42.15 | ZorbaTHut | you don't use it in arms, I think Slam is the rage dump there, but Fury and Prot both lean on it heavily |
| 09:42.27 | ZorbaTHut | arms just get a different button to mash every literal half a second |
| 09:42.44 | Amarande | ahh yeah. I went arms, so that's probably why I thought of HS as something you stop using eventually |
| 09:43.16 | tem|afk | ZorbaTHut, you jealous? |
| 09:43.21 | tem|afk | Esamynn, what? |
| 09:43.28 | Esamynn | nothing |
| 09:43.34 | ZorbaTHut | tem, jealous of the pug, or of classes that don't have to mash a single button every 0.5 seconds forever? |
| 09:43.36 | ZorbaTHut | because the answer is "yes" |
| 09:43.37 | ZorbaTHut | >:( |
| 09:43.40 | DWSR | To both? |
| 09:43.44 | tem|afk | ZorbaTHut, I'm a tank |
| 09:43.51 | tem|afk | it's the only way I could tolerate doing that |
| 09:43.58 | tem|afk | because my queues are instant |
| 09:44.06 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'm a tank also |
| 09:44.09 | ZorbaTHut | I just haven't put the time into it |
| 09:44.26 | tem|afk | for most of it, I've had a guildmate with me |
| 09:44.28 | tem|afk | a rogue |
| 09:44.36 | tem|afk | he's been tricksing half the instance to me to make it faster |
| 09:44.45 | tem|afk | we just cleared DTK in 12 minutes |
| 09:44.45 | tem|afk | :) |
| 09:45.00 | ZorbaTHut | nice :D |
| 09:45.06 | Wobin | it's the only way to go |
| 09:45.09 | DWSR | tem|afk: Warrior tank? |
| 09:45.32 | Thunder_Child | tem|afk: thats why we hate it when we get VH. cant chain pull :( |
| 09:45.39 | Wobin | =( |
| 09:45.45 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, I keep getting slotted into CoS :( |
| 09:45.51 | Wobin | stupid wait between spawns |
| 09:45.52 | DWSR | tem|afk: My warrior tank (from my guild) and I cleared DTK in <10minutes. |
| 09:45.54 | ZorbaTHut | I swear I'm just going to drop group next time |
| 09:46.00 | ZorbaTHut | "sorry guys, fuck cos" |
| 09:46.05 | DWSR | tem|afk: We chain pulled using Demon Form charge + Intervene + Charge. |
| 09:46.14 | DWSR | It was like sling shotting awesomeness. |
| 09:46.24 | ZorbaTHut | rather do Oculus than COS again |
| 09:46.30 | Wobin | FASTBALL SPECIAL =) |
| 09:46.32 | DWSR | I'd just charge, Immo aura, He'd intervene, shockwave, charge at the next set. |
| 09:46.53 | jnwhiteh | quick |
| 09:46.58 | jnwhiteh | healing tactics for new VoA boss |
| 09:47.03 | jnwhiteh | is he even there yet? |
| 09:47.07 | DWSR | No. |
| 09:47.13 | DWSR | Not till new arena season |
| 09:47.15 | tem|afk | not til next season |
| 09:47.16 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 09:47.17 | Wobin | water? |
| 09:47.19 | jnwhiteh | thx =) |
| 09:47.22 | DWSR | Wobin: ice |
| 09:47.32 | Wobin | and next patch, Heart? |
| 09:49.56 | Amarande | what's wrong with cos? |
| 09:51.20 | tem|afk | long RP sections |
| 09:52.08 | ZorbaTHut | heart |
| 09:52.21 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, long long cutscenes, trash that can't be chainpulled |
| 09:52.40 | ZorbaTHut | in the amount of time it takes for Arthas to stop being a dick I could have *finished* some instances. |
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| 09:55.06 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: You realize you can skip the RP in HoR, right? |
| 09:55.20 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, I'm talking about CoS |
| 09:55.50 | DWSR | oh, yeah |
| 09:55.54 | DWSR | that needs to get hotnerfed. |
| 09:55.57 | ZorbaTHut | I don't mind HoR because it's still badass and awesome, though I'm sure I'll hate it eventually. |
| 09:56.15 | DWSR | I like how they already added the RP skip in HoR though |
| 09:56.30 | ZorbaTHut | I hear it existed on day one, it's just only available if everyone in the group has already seen it |
| 09:56.37 | DWSR | I skipped the RP option the first time my GL was in there. |
| 09:56.41 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, it was. |
| 09:56.59 | DWSR | Think it was bugged on day one though, because we skipped the RP. |
| 09:57.13 | DWSR | anyway, I basically told him what was going on and he was like "lol, why did you skip it then? Sounds epic" |
| 09:57.27 | DWSR | I'm like "See Uther. See Uther talking. *snore*" |
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| 11:31.56 | zenzelezz | I wish people would stop asking me to do all three Icecrown 5-mans when I enter a Forge of Souls run through the random tool |
| 11:33.05 | nevcairiel | i dont do it, doesnt reward the 2 extra badges |
| 11:33.34 | zenzelezz | pretty much, yeah |
| 11:33.35 | nevcairiel | although i usually get pit of saron and never forge |
| 11:33.43 | zenzelezz | though I do want the bag from first boss |
| 11:34.07 | nevcairiel | dropped yesterday, lost roll :P |
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| 11:36.38 | zenzelezz | dropped on this run, also lost :( |
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| 11:57.23 | Amarande | you know what's a bit of a pain |
| 11:57.42 | Amarande | the Icecrown 5-mans on heroic apparently need some better gear than the regular heroics |
| 11:58.01 | Amarande | but if you do random heroics to badge farm on a freshish 80, there's a good chance to be stuck with them |
| 11:58.17 | Amarande | wonder how many ICC5s run into trouble because of that |
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| 11:59.37 | zenzelezz | I've had some people who weren't awesome-geared in FoS and PoS, and made do... but HoR really does take a lot of DPS |
| 11:59.42 | zenzelezz | not sure about healer gear |
| 12:01.05 | Amarande | well, HoR could be avoided till you're geared just by not doing the quest in PoS, I suppose |
| 12:01.24 | ZorbaTHut | I keep running Pit of Saron for the axe. don't care about the Forge of Souls stuff at all |
| 12:01.43 | zenzelezz | ZorbaTHut: which axe? |
| 12:01.43 | Amarande | any good hunter weapons in the 5-man ICCs, btw? |
| 12:01.56 | ZorbaTHut | zenzelezz, the 2-hand axe. I forget the name offhand |
| 12:02.23 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50267 bam |
| 12:03.16 | Amarande | or do we still have to go to ulduar25/icc raid/heroic toc10/wherever that crossbow was to get good hunter stuff? |
| 12:03.51 | ZorbaTHut | isn't everything a hunter weapon :D |
| 12:03.56 | ZorbaTHut | do you mean melee weapons, or ranged weapons? |
| 12:04.22 | Amarande | Ranged |
| 12:04.40 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50262 seen two of these drop so far, I'm now using one on my warrior |
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| 12:06.40 | Amarande | heh, looks like the crazy cat lady might get left all alone soon then |
| 12:06.58 | Amarande | that actually looks on par with siren's cry\ |
| 12:07.54 | ZorbaTHut | pretty easy to farm for, just LFG for the instance a few times and you get it. |
| 12:08.14 | Amarande | oh, fuck. |
| 12:08.26 | Amarande | I have to leave for work like, now. and now I'm gonna be tripping over my right shoe all day. |
| 12:08.55 | Amarande | nothing like breaking a shoelace right when you have to leave. :P |
| 12:09.31 | Amarande | anyway ... later. |
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| 12:17.07 | jnwhiteh_ | is the vendor mount worth it? |
| 12:17.11 | jnwhiteh_ | a hdamn |
| 12:17.15 | jnwhiteh_ | restarting irc. |
| 12:19.14 | Wobin | oh |
| 12:19.15 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIzPF3BfpQ |
| 12:20.42 | Wobin | ^^ |
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| 12:32.11 | Wobin | also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXKUb5A1auM&feature=channel |
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| 12:41.18 | industrial | jnwhiteh: is the vendor mount worth what? |
| 12:48.52 | zenzelezz | the cost I assume. 16k, is it? |
| 12:52.22 | foxlit | Compared to the AD pet, the mount has a shorter cooldown and allows you to repair (which actually loses you money) |
| 12:53.40 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.52 | foxlit | The annoying part is that I want to cache a /pair/ of results of some computation. |
| 12:55.57 | Wobin | http://www.bubblebox.com/play/puzzle/1597.htm |
| 12:56.04 | Wobin | don't click if you don't have time |
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| 12:57.30 | foxlit | Wobin: bugged after what I presume is the first level. |
| 12:57.48 | Wobin | ? |
| 12:57.53 | Wobin | I'm well into it |
| 12:58.04 | Wobin | did you -complete- the first level? =) |
| 12:58.08 | airtonix | Wobin, wtf is this |
| 12:58.13 | foxlit | I got the "Next Level" button |
| 12:58.15 | foxlit | I clicked it. |
| 12:58.26 | foxlit | Old blocks and smiley disappeared, no new ones appeared. |
| 12:59.23 | Wobin | weird |
| 12:59.25 | Wobin | it's working for me |
| 12:59.37 | airtonix | i can only shrink and expand the smiley face |
| 12:59.40 | Wobin | can only get to 15 before getting stopped |
| 12:59.54 | Wobin | some blocks you can grow/shrink others you can't |
| 13:00.00 | Wobin | (and the face) |
| 13:00.36 | airtonix | ah i see clickenzor the yellow stuff |
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| 13:02.20 | foxlit | Did dropdown menus get more annoying at hiding recently (or perhaps in 3.2?) |
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| 13:10.48 | airtonix | Wobin, wow this game has the most annoying issue with keyboard events |
| 13:13.41 | Wobin | http://j-walkblog.com/images2/foxnewsclimatepoll.jpg |
| 13:13.48 | Wobin | at least they didn't use a pie chart this time |
| 13:15.34 | foxlit | A pie chart would've been perfectly appropriate. |
| 13:17.19 | Polarina | 3D charts aren't. |
| 13:18.16 | foxlit | While you're welcome to scream "but zomg 3d distortion," I don't consider that an interesting issue. |
| 13:18.17 | Wobin | foxlit, like... http://j-walkblog.com/images2/FoxChicagoPoll.jpg ? |
| 13:18.54 | foxlit | Wobin: that has more significant issues :) |
| 13:19.17 | foxlit | Though, to be fair, your original screenshot suffers in the same way |
| 13:19.20 | Wobin | It's Fox News =) |
| 13:19.22 | foxlit | 59+35+26 = 110 |
| 13:19.30 | foxlit | er, 120 |
| 13:20.04 | foxlit | But at least it's answers to a single question |
| 13:20.12 | Polarina | 70+60+63=o.O |
| 13:21.19 | foxlit | Polarina: better question: what are those percentages anyway? |
| 13:21.48 | foxlit | People who like/hate/support/would vote for the respective candidate? |
| 13:21.54 | foxlit | Their combined weights? |
| 13:22.39 | Polarina | The world is corrupted. |
| 13:23.05 | foxlit | Throw more platitudes at it! |
| 13:23.46 | foxlit | I'm interested, though: is it fox that keeps screwing with data presentation, or is the polling data itself garbage? |
| 13:24.13 | airtonix | rage |
| 13:24.22 | airtonix | fu wobin for showing me that game |
| 13:24.30 | A-KO | fox conducts the polls :P |
| 13:24.35 | airtonix | annoying mouse/key events are annoying |
| 13:24.47 | A-KO | rage looks good |
| 13:24.56 | A-KO | I've heard some nice things about it from the inside also :P |
| 13:25.43 | foxlit | A-KO: but their "Source:" lines state otherwise. |
| 13:26.10 | A-KO | Source: "Opinions" lol |
| 13:29.33 | Dezzimal | theres no concatenate with a space as a delimiter operand is there? |
| 13:30.53 | foxlit | operator, surely. |
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| 13:34.30 | Dezzimal | yes |
| 13:39.58 | Fisker | all mortals will perish foxlit |
| 13:40.10 | foxlit | Valid, Fisker. |
| 13:40.16 | foxlit | Per definition, surely. |
| 13:42.01 | Fisker | the legion will conquer all as well then |
| 13:42.49 | Dezzimal | foxlit: its probably misinterpretation more than anything |
| 13:42.56 | Dezzimal | for example I suspect that the questions were 3 |
| 13:43.01 | Dezzimal | "Will you support x?" |
| 13:43.05 | Dezzimal | "Will you support y?" |
| 13:43.07 | Dezzimal | "Will you support z?" |
| 13:43.23 | Dezzimal | to which each survey taker could answer yes to more than one |
| 13:43.27 | foxlit | Yeah, that makes sense for the candidates |
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| 13:47.04 | foxlit | But doesn't fit for http://j-walkblog.com/images2/foxnewsclimatepoll.jpg |
| 13:48.40 | foxlit | "We were just talking about three interesting pieces of information from Rasmussen," Petterson [executive producer of Fox & Friends] said. "We didn't put on the screen that it added up to 100 percent." |
| 13:52.26 | Fisker | lulz |
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| 14:18.15 | Wobin | =( ShockAndAwe is erroring terribly =( |
| 14:18.41 | foxlit | Replace it with SquawkAndAwe |
| 14:18.54 | foxlit | (roll a druid while you're at that) |
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| 14:46.11 | jnwhiteh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5iIA0yfoNM&feature=sub |
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| 14:53.08 | zenzelezz | lol |
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| 14:53.27 | zenzelezz | no subtlety about that one |
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| 14:58.25 | Fisker | moar like tarzan win |
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| 15:18.44 | Arrowmaster | i just wall of texted the ui forums |
| 15:18.49 | Arrowmaster | had to split it into two posts |
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| 15:24.02 | cbreak | swearing or something constructive? :) |
| 15:24.18 | Polarina | cbreak: :) |
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| 15:28.06 | Wobin | http://1.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ku9qknVvMs1qzvqipo1_400.jpg |
| 15:28.12 | Wobin | Hover Bears? We're so fucked =( |
| 15:30.17 | Polarina | Wobin: :) |
| 15:30.38 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://21.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kthn73RZbY1qzqvm2o1_500.jpg |
| 15:30.39 | Wobin | omg |
| 15:30.46 | Wobin | it has slayed me >< |
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| 15:32.56 | Wobin | I want one: http://15.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ktjy9tscSj1qzm6hyo1_500.jpg |
| 15:40.46 | A-KO | woot |
| 15:40.53 | A-KO | I picked up one of the hottest hot sauces ever--Blair's Ultra Death |
| 15:43.02 | VonhintenHOME` | "When normal death JUST ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH!" |
| 15:43.56 | VonhintenHOME` | I like 100% Pain from originaljuan.com |
| 15:44.04 | VonhintenHOME` | That stuff lights my ass on fire |
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| 15:54.30 | alestane | "WTMI, more than you EVER wanted to know!" |
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| 15:56.13 | alestane | Haipeppy! |
| 15:56.44 | Lopeppeppy | heya, alestane. I am not dead yet. |
| 15:56.59 | alestane | I hear you flirted with it briefly. |
| 15:57.12 | alestane | Insofar as unconsciousness counts, anyway. |
| 15:57.55 | Lopeppeppy | Great fun was not had by all. Still feel like roadkill today. |
| 15:58.16 | alestane | Will hugs help? |
| 15:58.27 | Lopeppeppy | No squeeze the middle, but sure. |
| 15:58.43 | alestane | That's about what I figured. |
| 15:58.51 | alestane | hugs Peppy around the sholders. |
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| 16:51.27 | Xuerian | fffffffffffuuuuu |
| 16:51.34 | Xuerian | forgot his new irc password :( |
| 16:52.51 | Xuerian | Of course my client only logs the messages FROM nickserv |
| 16:53.30 | foxlit | You can probably use email to reset it |
| 16:53.41 | Xuerian | Meh, I noticed that it sent a confirmation noticed with it =| |
| 16:53.44 | Xuerian | I just woke up, again |
| 16:53.54 | Xuerian | at least I didn't send my new password to the channel this time -_- |
| 16:54.05 | Xuerian | also, cheers for opie as usual |
| 16:55.37 | foxlit | Mm, I still need to push an update there. |
| 16:55.53 | Xuerian | Oh? What's new? |
| 16:58.41 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.11 | Xuerian | Meh, updates are updates |
| 17:00.24 | foxlit | I could fix the macro parser to handle intermixing of castsequence and cast properly |
| 17:00.35 | foxlit | But that smells of pain. |
| 17:01.21 | foxlit | I eventually want to add something that'd pick up most potions/flasks/foods/etc and places those on an automatic ring, but that's probably not making this push. |
| 17:02.18 | foxlit | [Just need to get something out to patch the ## Interface: line, really] |
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| 17:39.01 | mikma | ~x en de i'll be back |
| 17:40.42 | Aelobin | hmm how do i pass in a variable into a staticpopup's OnShow? |
| 17:41.18 | Aelobin | seems to only be accepting the 4th arg :S |
| 17:46.14 | Shadowed | When you show the static dialog, it returns the frame that's shown, you manually set .arg1 and .arg2 |
| 17:46.25 | Shadowed | those keys might not be right, been a while since I've done that |
| 17:50.13 | Aelobin | hmm i can see that working for passing stuff in on the accept, but im wanting to do something in the OnShow |
| 17:54.14 | Aelobin | nvm though, ill store the variables outside of the popupframe :P |
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| 18:20.11 | Bruners | Fisker: hello |
| 18:22.46 | Fisker | Bruners |
| 18:22.58 | Bruners | Fisker: i done in the shower now btw |
| 18:23.04 | robotusch | :|? |
| 18:23.15 | Fisker | msn robotusch |
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| 18:35.07 | Bruners | Fisker: when are you moving to grim batol ? |
| 18:37.00 | Fisker | when are you moving to rc? |
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| 19:02.06 | Hirsute | *sigh* This shouldn't be this difficult. |
| 19:02.40 | Hirsute | I've got a machine running windows 7 that has two network interfaces: The first has a public IP, the second has a private IP. I want all traffic to my private network to route over the second interface, and all traffic *not* to my private network to route over the first. |
| 19:04.04 | Hirsute | I had it working, until I decided to set up a homegroup, and had to set up a default gateway for the second NIC to get windows to allow me to set it as a home network (most retarded thing ever), now I've got traffic for a machine on my private lan routing over the public ip, and back through my wireless router to the machine on the private lan. |
| 19:05.47 | Hirsute | You'd think it would be as easy as manually setting up the routing table, but this doesn't work as expected either. |
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| 19:08.00 | Hirsute | Mostly because a user's ability to interact with the routing table is clunky, at best. |
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| 19:15.22 | Esine | So what's going on with cartographer? |
| 19:15.25 | Esine | ckknight^ |
| 19:24.36 | Hirsute | I wish there were a real lart availble for use on the web. Addon users and their sense of entitlement just gets under my skin. |
| 19:25.12 | Bruners | Hirsute: now what |
| 19:26.17 | Hirsute | Just the douchebags in the comments on Cartographer's page. "If this addon is really dead, could you at least delete the page? Pisses me off to see all the excuses from authors, not to mention that shit Cartographer 3". |
| 19:26.49 | Hirsute | I'd love to smack the dickface with a large, rusty, corroded lead pipe dipped in acid. |
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| 19:27.24 | Hirsute | Of course, this is likely just lingering bitterness and frustration on my part from various fiascos that happened some months ago in the addon community at lage. |
| 19:27.25 | Esine | doesn't include me fyi. I'm just a user who likes the addon and it's sad to see it not being updated, that's all |
| 19:27.26 | Hirsute | *large |
| 19:27.35 | Hirsute | Esine: *nod* |
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| 19:27.58 | Esine | It would be nice to see a few words from the authors though. Even if they said they have no time for wow and have other things to do |
| 19:28.00 | Hirsute | I definitely don't include all users in that. I should be more specific in saying *some* users. |
| 19:28.32 | Hirsute | Perhaps it would, but time is time. I can definitely understand not having time. |
| 19:29.34 | Hirsute | That said, there have been comments form the authors: "The reasons have been stated before. The framework library used is dead so when it finally breaks for good everything is over. The entire addon would have to be rewritten from scratch." |
| 19:29.52 | Esine | I see. |
| 19:30.40 | Esine | Hirsute: do you have anything to suggest in place of Cartographer? I believe many users seek nothing more but a way to resize and move the world map, and possibly make it transparent. |
| 19:30.43 | Bruners | Hirsute: what happened in the addon community ? |
| 19:30.58 | Hirsute | And being part of a team that *did* rewrite a large, popular, addon from scratch, it isn't a pleasant process. |
| 19:31.24 | Hirsute | Esine: I just went to using the default map, myself. It does *most* of what I want. If I could waypoint and resize, it would suit all my needs perfectly. |
| 19:31.53 | Esine | But you can't have the map open and move around.. :-( |
| 19:32.08 | Hirsute | Bruners: WoWMatrix getting broken and the entitled assholes complaining about it, and users absolute recrimination of many, many addon authors when the new UI polcy was released. |
| 19:32.16 | Hirsute | Esine: Sure you can, just make it small. |
| 19:32.24 | Esine | Oh, uh oh.. is that a new feature? |
| 19:32.32 | Polarina | Anyone here uses wine to play with wow? When I press "Log in" wine complains about WoW using the C library incorrectly. |
| 19:32.48 | Hirsute | Yep, with the patch. Little down-left arrow in the top-right corner |
| 19:33.12 | Esine | Polarina: many people have bought Cedega because wine only half-works with WoW. There are some people it works for them, but for the rest.. |
| 19:33.19 | Dagmar | Polarina: Paste the error message it gives into Google |
| 19:33.32 | Esine | I bought Cedega because of that and it's worked fine since WoW 1.6 :) |
| 19:33.39 | Polarina | Oh, wait, I found that I need winetricks to get some new runtime libraries. |
| 19:34.05 | Esine | some people who say wine works for them* |
| 19:34.15 | Esine | Hirsute: thanks |
| 19:34.25 | Hirsute | Esine: One of the Cartographer authors has recommended Mapster for people looking for a replacement. |
| 19:35.11 | Esine | I actually used MetaMap before Cartographer, but then that mod died as well.. thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into mapster |
| 19:35.17 | Bruners | Hirsute: and that is a bad thing ? :) |
| 19:35.44 | Bruners | i have just used tekkubs map enhancer |
| 19:35.50 | Dagmar | Wow classy |
| 19:36.04 | Dagmar | An illegal mod mentioned right there in the comments, with a misleading domain name |
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| 19:36.28 | Esine | illegal mod? |
| 19:36.38 | Hirsute | Bruners: Which is a bad thing? That WoWMatrix was broken? No, that's a very, very good thing. That users threw massive tantrums about it? Bad thing. |
| 19:36.47 | Hirsute | Esine: Yeah, the "auto miner" or whatever it was that was mentioned. |
| 19:36.58 | Hirsute | First page of the comments. |
| 19:37.04 | Dagmar | Someone from Curse might want to nuke a comment made at http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/cartographer.aspx |
| 19:37.08 | Dagmar | Yeah those people are up to something |
| 19:37.27 | Polarina | Yay! I got wine working! :P |
| 19:37.35 | Dagmar | Do a whois on their domain and tell me they're *not* trying to phish people with the curse@curse.com address |
| 19:38.07 | Dagmar | Oh and it's an _exe_ even |
| 19:38.40 | Bruners | Hirsute: i liked wowmatrix |
| 19:39.19 | Hirsute | Bruners: Wowmatrix was unethical, refused to work well with authors, stole bandwidth, and had massively problematic distribution practices. |
| 19:39.23 | Hirsute | Wowmatrix was bad. |
| 19:39.46 | Hirsute | It refused to change its behavior until the people it was stealing from broke its ability to steal from them. |
| 19:40.31 | Amarande | man, when did it all of a sudden become such an important thing to play well with others :P |
| 19:40.34 | Amarande | heh |
| 19:40.40 | Bruners | Hirsute: nah, they where good |
| 19:40.48 | Hirsute | It is the primary reason my addon (small and unpopular though it is) is ARR. Because Wowmatrix proved that the user community, in general, doesn't give a rat's ass about authors wishes or rights. |
| 19:40.52 | Hirsute | Bruners: No, they weren't. |
| 19:41.06 | Dagmar | You know... |
| 19:41.07 | Hirsute | And unless we want me to really start cursing up a storm, I'm done talking about them. |
| 19:41.13 | Dagmar | They listed the admin contact as curse@curse.com |
| 19:41.41 | Bruners | Hirsute: i heard wowinterface blackmailed curse to stop wowmatrix |
| 19:41.59 | Shirik | what? |
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| 19:42.25 | Bruners | Shirik: just having fun with Hirsute :D |
| 19:42.47 | Amarande | Hirsute: well, there *is* notably the fact that addons are perforce open source |
| 19:42.56 | Hirsute | Amarande: No, they are not. |
| 19:43.06 | Hirsute | Well, it depends on what yo umean by open source |
| 19:43.17 | Hirsute | They are, per Blizz requirement, source readable. |
| 19:43.30 | Amarande | Hirsute: well, technically anything written in a language that consists of interpreted ASCII text files, by nature must be distributed with (and indeed as) source :) |
| 19:43.32 | Bruners | Shirik: and he almost did bite |
| 19:43.43 | Amarande | which tends to get them seen as open source |
| 19:43.56 | Amarande | and there tends to be a general attitude among geeks in general that open source and restricted rights *do not mix* |
| 19:43.59 | Hirsute | They are not, by any requirement, necessarily distributed under an OSI compatible model. |
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| 19:44.18 | Hirsute | Amarande: Not most of the geeks who hang out around here, at least. |
| 19:44.24 | Amarande | Distribute something open source and include in the copyright file that they're not allowed to freely use or distribute it, and make sure the "open source" community gets a hold of it. |
| 19:44.34 | Amarande | It won't be long before one of the GNU zealots swears up a blue streak about you. :) |
| 19:44.53 | Hirsute | They can swear all they want. My rights are my rights. |
| 19:45.14 | Amarande | on a more philosophical point though |
| 19:45.18 | Hirsute | And anyone who knowingly and intentionally violates clearly delineated rights can get stuffed. |
| 19:45.23 | Bruners | i actually teste wowmatrix once, but found to fill my addon folder with matrix.dat files and removed it quickly |
| 19:45.25 | Amarande | unless you actually have something vital to protect, like your paycheck, by restricting the use of your code |
| 19:45.36 | Amarande | then said restriction tends to be kinda douchebaggish on principle :S |
| 19:45.45 | Amarande | i.e., unless you *need* to restrict it, why do so? |
| 19:46.30 | Dagmar | Jesus |
| 19:46.30 | Esine | I wonder if there is a lua source obfuscator |
| 19:46.32 | Amarande | it's kinda like saying "it's my glue and I'm not going to let any of you have glue to glue with just because it's mine and I don't wanna let you have it" |
| 19:46.35 | Dagmar | 600K for a keylogger |
| 19:46.50 | Hirsute | Amarande: Because it's absolutely my right to decide how *my work* is used and distributed. The mess that Wowmatrix created is a WONDERFUL example of multiple reasons to restrict the use/distribution of code I produce. |
| 19:46.55 | Amarande | Esine: carbonite tried that, I think |
| 19:47.14 | Hirsute | Amarande: Except that if something isn't working right with the glue, people don't come bitch at me expecting support. |
| 19:48.45 | Amarande | well, yeah, using someone's addon code and then trying to foist the -support responsibility- back on the original coder is douchebaggery |
| 19:49.04 | Hirsute | If someone is distributing my code and alters it or messes with it in any way that causes it to break, if I'm identifiable as the author, I'm the one people are going to complain to. |
| 19:49.21 | Hirsute | If I'm not identifiable as the author, that's wrong too. |
| 19:49.22 | Amarande | Hirsute: I don't know about that. |
| 19:49.33 | Hirsute | Amarande: Wowmatrix *proved* that to be the case. |
| 19:49.45 | Amarande | Do people complain to Jarkko Oikarinen still when J. Random IRC network's branched fork of server code that evolved from his server code breaks? |
| 19:50.16 | Aelobin | oooh another wowmatrix discussion? |
| 19:50.19 | Aelobin | gief popcorn |
| 19:50.25 | Amarande | Or to Linus when Debian installs bad Linux kernel headers on their system? |
| 19:50.41 | Hirsute | I can't speak to other environments, but in *this* environment, when Wowmatrix broke addon code with their meddling and editing, or distributed out of date code, people bitched at the authors about it. |
| 19:51.04 | Dagmar | Amarande: When has Debian been doing this? |
| 19:51.21 | Hirsute | So, given the fact that we have a record of it happening in this environment, it's irrelevant if it would happen in another environment, regardless of how similar you may think they are. |
| 19:53.01 | Dagmar | Amarande: ...and as to the author of ircII, yes I have attempted to contact him before. |
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| 19:53.56 | Hirsute | Aelobin: It's more an "Why it's perfectly reasonable for me to make my addons ARR" discussion, Wowmatrix is just an apt example of why. |
| 19:54.20 | Hirsute | s/a/an |
| 19:54.23 | Aelobin | arr == all rights reserved? |
| 19:54.39 | Hirsute | Yes |
| 20:00.48 | Amarande | Dagmar: It's just a hypothetical example, does Linus get the support emails when the distro has a corrupted package or whatnot involving kernel headers or such? |
| 20:01.13 | Dagmar | You've never written anything for strangers on the internet to use, have you |
| 20:01.22 | Hirsute | Again, it's irrelevant to the current discussion. |
| 20:01.29 | Dagmar | I am quite sure he gets all sorts of emails he shouldn't because of problems caused by things outside the kernel. |
| 20:02.38 | Hirsute | The ultimate point is, this IS what happens with WoW addons. Leaving the author that wants to stay sane needing to restrict rights to his addon to be able to have any reasonable chance of supporting his addon. |
| 20:03.38 | Hirsute | The other option, and the one pursued by one of the addons I contribute to is just to say, "You're welcome to get the addon from wherever you wish, but we can only support you if you obtained it from one of the following sources..." |
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| 20:04.53 | Hirsute | In general, if a user wishes to do something with my code, and is pleasant and communicative when talking to me, I say yes. If the user is dick about it, or just does whatever the heck he wants, he's not the kind of person I want to work with, and I'll say no. |
| 20:05.44 | Hirsute | Being ARR gives me that option. It's an option I don't have with OSI model licenses. |
| 20:07.28 | Amarande | holy shit, primordial saronite goes for 10,000-40,000 or so gold |
| 20:07.53 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 20:07.59 | Dagmar | You're seeing it listed for that in the AH? |
| 20:08.17 | Dagmar | That would be because it's actually _not_ selling for that. |
| 20:08.26 | Dagmar | ...either that or your server is full of idiots. |
| 20:08.35 | Dagmar | We 7-manned our way to the first boss in ICC last night |
| 20:09.01 | Hirsute | Dagmar: did you down him? |
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| 20:09.25 | Dagmar | lol |
| 20:09.49 | Dagmar | We got to him, and got severely r-a-p-e-d by the suprise giant undead vrykul on the way |
| 20:10.02 | Dagmar | We knew we weren't downing him |
| 20:10.19 | Hirsute | Heh. |
| 20:10.25 | Hirsute | I was about to give you massive props. |
| 20:10.27 | Dagmar | We honesty went in there because we finally escaped LK in Heroic and some more guildies logged on so we went sightseeing |
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| 20:10.58 | Dagmar | The fun bit was that we were just talking about whether or not the guys in the alcoves were alive or not... |
| 20:11.12 | Hirsute | We escaped LK in HHoR last night by literally milliseconds. We all expected to die and managed to run through the falling rubble instead. |
| 20:11.16 | Dagmar | Then all of a sudden there's some 10 story tall skeletons walking around whomping people |
| 20:11.21 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 20:11.30 | Dagmar | Oh we learned a new way to fail at that |
| 20:11.39 | Hirsute | I've cleared the trash to the first boss a number of times (got the ring just from that on two toons) |
| 20:11.54 | Dagmar | Everyone just runs past Jaina without talking to her and keeps on going. :) |
| 20:12.19 | Dagmar | 'cept one person needs to turn around halfway through, go back, and talk to Jaina |
| 20:12.35 | Dagmar | This way you're "protected" by at least two walls of ice. :) |
| 20:13.01 | Dagmar | By george we _were_ going to get the hell away from him that time. Heh |
| 20:13.38 | Hirsute | Dagmar: Does it work out well for you? |
| 20:14.06 | Dagmar | It was very peacful until the million-mile range wipe spell |
| 20:14.31 | Dagmar | We'd just been whooped by him so many times at the same spot we go to there last night and everyone just ran like hell |
| 20:14.56 | Hirsute | Oh yeah? Heh. I'm imagining that right now. You can't just sacrifice one member of the group, huh? |
| 20:14.57 | Dagmar | Like "You're doing a great job Jaina... kthabaigottarun!" |
| 20:15.06 | Dagmar | Noo... hehe |
| 20:15.21 | Dagmar | When he catches up to Jaina, he kills her, then he plants his sword and everyone dies |
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| 20:16.10 | foxlit | Except Paladins |
| 20:16.19 | Dagmar | can you bubble through that? |
| 20:16.26 | foxlit | Ardent Defender > Arthas |
| 20:16.27 | Dagmar | Deterrence didn't seem to slow it up much |
| 20:17.14 | A-KO | http://www.viceland.com/int/v16n3/htdocs/medieval-slimes-723.php < holy shit |
| 20:22.00 | foxlit | ICC-raid trash has *way* too much HP. |
| 20:22.24 | foxlit | It's not "zomg we can't kill it" amounts, but "zomg, someone is going to fall asleep here". |
| 20:23.06 | Xuerian | You know what is entirely off topic and makes me sad? http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=us.ravenholdt.blighted (60 hours played) http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=us.alleria.cairnriil (120 hours played) |
| 20:24.02 | foxlit | The latter profile is content-less. |
| 20:24.10 | Xuerian | Nothing on it to see, really |
| 20:24.34 | Thunder_Child | "Unable to resync from the Armory: Character does not exist." LIAR! |
| 20:24.40 | Xuerian | Played at 60 and 70, only has epic flyer. Blighted has 6k achievements and a raven. A RAVEN. *cry* |
| 20:25.31 | foxlit | Most hours "played" are rubbish anyway |
| 20:26.05 | Xuerian | There wasn't any true value to the comparison, just made me sadface |
| 20:26.10 | Xuerian | And also nostalgiafag |
| 20:26.20 | Xuerian | used to raid a lot with blighted at 70 |
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| 20:41.55 | mikma | http://www.kuvalauta.fi/b/src/126062958555.jpg |
| 20:43.13 | mikma | scytheblade1: http://mikma.eu/l4d/c3m4_plantation0001.jpg |
| 20:46.27 | Dagmar | Oh... we've seen confirmation that clearly, having the ability to click greed or need on frozen orbs has led to cross-server orb ninja |
| 20:48.03 | Dagmar | We also booted an Enchanter who was need rolling on three different specs of plate |
| 20:48.14 | Dagmar | He needed on a bit of leather--punted |
| 20:48.27 | Dagmar | We need a way to just kill players. |
| 20:54.30 | Amarande | WTF |
| 20:54.33 | Amarande | 10g a bar for truesilver |
| 20:54.38 | Amarande | WTF is this server's economy coming to |
| 20:55.17 | Amarande | Dagmar: the sad thing is I thought that need before greed was supposed to prevent needing on anything but your primary armor type |
| 20:55.18 | Dagmar | This is why you tell goldfarmers you want a face to face meeting IRL, and you bring a shovel and some large plastic bags |
| 20:55.31 | Dagmar | Amarande: It doesn't stop jerks needing on orbs |
| 20:55.40 | Dagmar | ...or anything they can possibly wear |
| 20:56.47 | Dagmar | We need to be able to just call for a vote on people and if everyone's in agreement, somewhere far away in the office of a man who wears thin black leather gloves with the softness of a whisper, a tiny slip of paper slides out of the side of a small silvery box |
| 20:57.07 | Dagmar | A tiny bell rings, tolling it's last for the theiving player. |
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| 21:05.18 | foxlit | Dagmar: need is the new greed, haven't you heard? :) |
| 21:05.28 | Dagmar | It's gonna have to be |
| 21:05.34 | Dagmar | ...at least for orbs |
| 21:05.40 | foxlit | Offspec gear as well. |
| 21:06.09 | foxlit | It's far easier to hit N and then sort out whether someone else wanted it for main than to hit G and have it disenchanted. |
| 21:06.24 | Dagmar | The bummer is that we filled in the fifth spot on a mostuly guild run like a dozen times |
| 21:06.39 | Dagmar | 5 of those times (from 13) we got someone who was pretty much a loot whote |
| 21:06.42 | Dagmar | s/ote/ore/; |
| 21:07.07 | foxlit | I've only seen someone misbehave on loot once. |
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| 21:07.45 | Dagmar | I'm going to start finishing runs by misdirecting onto the troublemaker |
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| 21:08.05 | Dagmar | Since apparently much worse is acceptable |
| 21:08.26 | Dagmar | One guildie got pugged into a group of 4 from some other guild. He was clearly just there for their extra 5% |
| 21:08.33 | Dagmar | They let him die on the last boss and refused to res him |
| 21:08.38 | Dagmar | Classy |
| 21:09.53 | foxlit | What goes around, comes around, evidently. |
| 21:09.56 | Dagmar | At least the matcher is mostly putting us with experienced loot whores |
| 21:11.04 | Amarande | Dagmar: be careful |
| 21:11.17 | Amarande | if the troublemaker's a rogue and you're a squishy, he might respond by tricksing into you |
| 21:11.34 | Amarande | (hint: hunters are squishy if the mob has aggro on you and is not a caster.) |
| 21:11.50 | Dagmar | I'm not a squishy. I'm a hunter. |
| 21:11.54 | Dagmar | We murder rogues. |
| 21:12.48 | Dagmar | If they don't have the drop on us from the outset, it's generally a lock |
| 21:14.12 | Dagmar | They can tricks all they like. I can FD and then pound it back at them |
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| 21:27.13 | industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.34 | industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=45316;47324 |
| 21:27.42 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5424946/have-some-math-with-your-breakfast |
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| 21:34.03 | AbsolutRayne | So I need an addon to replace SLDT |
| 21:34.41 | Thunder_Child | what is sldt? |
| 21:35.16 | AbsolutRayne | SL Data Text |
| 21:36.50 | Grum | industrial: since when is spirit any good for any kind of shaman? :D |
| 21:38.03 | Thunder_Child | AbsolutRayne: is it no longer working? |
| 21:38.32 | foxlit | There are more pressing issues than the mp5/spirit choice |
| 21:39.18 | foxlit | Like the 219/245 item level discrepancy. Or the different armor classes. Or crit vs haste rating. |
| 21:39.33 | AbsolutRayne | Thunder_Child: I was crashing this morning like crazy. As soon as I disable it, it stopped |
| 21:39.39 | AbsolutRayne | Its probably one of the modules thats bugged |
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| 21:42.49 | Sixen | OHAI |
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| 21:43.58 | Torhal | AbsolutRayne: LDB FTW. |
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| 21:44.54 | Cidan | Holy mother of God I'm mad. |
| 21:44.57 | Thunder_Child | LDB is not ftw |
| 21:45.00 | Cidan | Sigg has totally fucked OpenRDX. |
| 21:48.02 | Cidan | I'm going to have to undo all his changes |
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| 21:51.32 | Bruners | Thunder_Child: what is not FTW with LDB? |
| 21:51.59 | Bruners | Thunder_Child: i don't see how it could be any better |
| 21:54.19 | mikma | I am gonna cry soon |
| 21:54.21 | mikma | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bronze+Dragonflight&n=Ciria |
| 21:55.46 | Nechckn | Cidan I was going to suggest blaming that Cidan guy... |
| 21:55.57 | Thunder_Child | Bruners: it could have some moduals that i use with fubar |
| 21:56.11 | Aelobin | mikma: cross realm LFG? |
| 21:56.15 | Cidan | Nechckn: :( |
| 21:59.32 | AbsolutRayne | I was really scared the Cross Realm LFG wouldve turned out for the worst |
| 22:00.11 | AbsolutRayne | Going from pugging with the same stupid people on your server to potentially stupid people on another didnt sound overly promising |
| 22:01.09 | foxlit | Move to a better... battlegroup? |
| 22:01.21 | AbsolutRayne | I dont have a bad battlegroup. I just dont like silly people |
| 22:01.52 | foxlit | Encounter them often? |
| 22:02.02 | AbsolutRayne | Sadly |
| 22:02.13 | foxlit | Then I'm inclined to blame the battlegroup :) |
| 22:02.21 | AbsolutRayne | Like the Uldaman group where the tank left because it was Ulda, and the hunter left after ninjaing some BoP boots |
| 22:02.27 | Bruners | Thunder_Child: what modules? |
| 22:03.18 | mikma | aelobin: ya, xLFD |
| 22:03.31 | Bruners | Thunder_Child: i have found that most that are worth having have been ported or the fubar ones can be used with an LDB-display |
| 22:04.08 | Thunder_Child | "are woth having" thats something of an opnion |
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| 22:08.41 | Bruners | Thunder_Child: tell me what modules that doesnt work please, maby it's something i can do! |
| 22:09.44 | Thunder_Child | Bruners: i'm checking. admitedly it has been a while since the last time i checked |
| 22:10.33 | Bruners | Thunder_Child: afaik you can use most if not all with a LDB display (fubar2broker, broker2fubar) |
| 22:11.04 | Thunder_Child | and if i have to do that what the point of using LDB? |
| 22:11.34 | industrial | Grum: So I thought too but its better overall I see |
| 22:12.07 | Bruners | Thunder_Child: if you are happy with fubar there is no point in using LDB, but that doesnt make LDB less good |
| 22:13.01 | Grum | industrial: afai kspirit does nothing for a shaman |
| 22:13.20 | Grum | or did they change that? :D |
| 22:13.25 | foxlit | Are the raid target icon names somewhere in FrameXML? |
| 22:13.32 | Bruners | think mp5 is still the thing for shamens |
| 22:13.44 | foxlit | Ah, RAID_TARGET_3. Nice. |
| 22:14.10 | industrial | Grum: some mp5 but the other stats outweigh it |
| 22:14.22 | Grum | aaah k |
| 22:14.33 | Grum | just curious if they changed something i completely overlooked :D |
| 22:14.58 | Grum | foxlit: you mean circle/square etc? |
| 22:15.05 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 22:15.13 | Grum | i guess that is in ChatFrame.lua |
| 22:15.19 | foxlit | Found them, though; shouldn't have been lazy and just grepped. |
| 22:15.21 | Grum | with constants defined in G lobalStrings |
| 22:15.23 | foxlit | It's GlobalStrings.lua |
| 22:17.13 | Cidan | Does anyone know what happened to FocusFrameDebuff1? |
| 22:17.21 | Cidan | Was it renamed? |
| 22:17.24 | bleeter | Dolby: Is there any way I can get a daily digest notification of updated addons? Kinda annoying to have to go to each email and click each link? I know some people like it immediately, but me? I don't need three emails in one day saying the same addon's been updated three times >< |
| 22:18.22 | Grum | bleeter: use an updater ? :D |
| 22:19.35 | foxlit | Gah. Animation system is mad. |
| 22:19.55 | bleeter | Grum: disable all email notifications and rss, then? |
| 22:21.11 | foxlit | Now it's sped up an animation about 100 times and is running it in an erratic loop. For no bloody reason. |
| 22:21.27 | Shadowed | foxlit pastey your animation stuff? |
| 22:21.40 | Shadowed | I had to do a bunch of animation stuff recently |
| 22:21.45 | foxlit | Shadowed: it's a bit convoluted. |
| 22:21.49 | bleeter | does animation work when minimised, or does it pause? |
| 22:22.01 | Shadowed | well |
| 22:22.07 | Shadowed | Are you calling animation:Play or animationGroup:Play? |
| 22:22.10 | bleeter | given what I heard about OnUpdate pausing UI on Minimised the other day |
| 22:22.17 | foxlit | Group:Play() |
| 22:22.30 | Shadowed | odd, no reason you should have sped up animations then |
| 22:22.51 | foxlit | In broad strokes: I have a parent frame and a bunch of child frames in that frame. |
| 22:23.08 | foxlit | I have separate animation groups attached to the child frames; they're basically set to loop indefinitely. |
| 22:23.22 | foxlit | I now create a scale animation on the parent frame, initially stopped. |
| 22:24.31 | foxlit | If I call :Play() on the parent group, it'll play the animation (which won't apply to child frames, which is @#$#@, but to be expected), but once that animation finishes, the child frame animations speed up madly. |
| 22:26.02 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.03 | foxlit | I'd like to believe that the thing is actually usable, but every time I attempt to shift code to it, it breaks in new and awesome ways. |
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| 22:33.12 | cog|away | what's the google command to search for sites that link to a given site? |
| 22:34.04 | Thunder_Child | linkback or somesuch? |
| 22:34.07 | Wobin | cogwheel, look in Advanced Search? |
| 22:34.31 | cogwheel | ty |
| 22:37.01 | foxlit | If you're interested in your own sites, webmaster tools is the place to go. |
| 22:37.17 | foxlit | The links: (or something) search prefix is somewhat incomplete. |
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| 22:41.12 | *** join/#wowuidev ZorbaTHut (i=tocohl@maximilian.pavlovian.net) |
| 22:43.01 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
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| 22:45.21 | foxlit | "MY APATHY HAS REACHED ITS LIMIT!" |
| 22:46.30 | ZorbaTHut | oy. "I still prefer QH over Wow's new qh. I had one quest where QH was right and WoW was wrong. Keep up the good work!" this should never happen |
| 22:46.48 | Wobin | foxlit, I never bothered checking my upper apathy limits |
| 22:47.42 | foxlit | Hm, I could join more random dungeons, but I don't need the badges. |
| 22:47.44 | foxlit | QQ. |
| 22:49.05 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 22:49.43 | krka | so... no way currently to look for groups for group quests now, is it? |
| 22:50.12 | Dagmar | Everybody solos thoseanyway. ;) |
| 22:50.34 | krka | i am too crappy to :( |
| 22:51.34 | foxlit | I still have the icecrown Rider lines. |
| 22:51.48 | foxlit | No Rest for the Wicked, too. |
| 22:51.56 | foxlit | Stopped doing most of them once I got that achievement. |
| 22:54.03 | Ginji | Omg! My world has just crashed! |
| 22:56.18 | Dagmar | Well, at least if the healer can still see you, they cna heal you, phased fight or not |
| 22:56.46 | foxlit | Erm. |
| 22:56.57 | foxlit | I have, as recently as 3.2, tried that. |
| 22:57.08 | foxlit | End result is that I *cannot see* people not in phase with that quest. |
| 23:00.03 | Cidan | Cairenn: ping? |
| 23:00.10 | Cairenn | Cidan: pong |
| 23:00.14 | Sixen | Sixen: ping pong. |
| 23:00.19 | Sixen | I felt left out. |
| 23:00.58 | Cidan | Cairenn: xD Can you add me to the project for OpenRDX? I need to upload a working version of the 7.3 line. |
| 23:01.22 | Cidan | I created a seperate upload in OpenRDX, but I want to add a file to the current core project |
| 23:03.28 | Cidan | Cairenn: Or you know what, it's fine, we'll leave it as a branch |
| 23:03.34 | Cairenn | I'm not going to get bitched at by Sigg, am I? |
| 23:03.45 | Cairenn | (and you do know that he could add you himself, right?) |
| 23:03.45 | Cidan | No, you wouldn't, but let's not do it anyway. |
| 23:04.09 | Cairenn | I have no problem adding you, I was just in the middle of approving some other mods :) |
| 23:04.10 | Cidan | Yeah, but I have no idea where he is, go figure. It's all good, we'll leave it as a branch. |
| 23:04.19 | Cidan | Nah, it's good, best to do it like this I thinks. |
| 23:04.41 | Cairenn | too late, I've already added you :) |
| 23:04.59 | Cidan | lol, okay, xD |
| 23:05.14 | Cairenn | now you have the choice, you can leave it as a branch or you can update the main |
| 23:05.31 | Cidan | Choices, choices. |
| 23:06.13 | Sixen | So, what is this OpenRDX i've seen talked about twice today? |
| 23:06.19 | AbsolutRayne | Is there any reason the Tracker wont track more than 2 quests? |
| 23:06.33 | Thunder_Child | it's RDX but open source |
| 23:07.41 | Cidan | It's an addon that lets you create your own unit frames and desktops in game, using a visual editor. It allows you to send those frames to raid members, so you can make, say, a healing window and just send it to everyone in the raid. |
| 23:07.45 | Cidan | Etc. |
| 23:10.05 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 23:10.10 | foxlit | Hold down LMB+RMB to move. |
| 23:10.31 | foxlit | Hold down Mouse4 -- keybinding event is delivered to a binding frame. |
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| 23:10.37 | foxlit | Release LMB+RMB. |
| 23:10.49 | foxlit | Release Mouse4 -- UI gets no notification that this happened. |
| 23:15.28 | foxlit | Hm. I somehow manage to steal the right click up event instead. |
| 23:18.20 | Wobin | foxlit, hm, is there any way to temporarily lock out the left and right click functionality of the inventory? |
| 23:18.53 | foxlit | Wobin: sure. Methods depends on what you want to achieve, though. |
| 23:19.09 | Wobin | I want to allow people to right and left click on bag slots |
| 23:19.24 | Wobin | and not actually pick up/use the item it's clicking on |
| 23:19.45 | Wobin | I have the first half |
| 23:19.52 | foxlit | At the crudest level, kill their OnClick. |
| 23:19.55 | Wobin | just not the actual lockout |
| 23:19.58 | Wobin | hm |
| 23:20.10 | Wobin | that's not too difficult... |
| 23:20.14 | foxlit | Pickup certainly isn't protected; I'm not sure whether Use is. |
| 23:21.22 | Wobin | hm, actually, I'm checking the frames -after- click |
| 23:22.07 | Wobin | maybe I'll force a modifier |
| 23:22.08 | AbsolutRayne | Cairenn: Le poke |
| 23:22.15 | Wobin | alt-l/r-click |
| 23:22.29 | Cairenn | AbsolutRayne: le prod |
| 23:22.44 | AbsolutRayne | le abuse and lawsuit :( |
| 23:22.56 | Cairenn | le laughed out of court |
| 23:22.59 | AbsolutRayne | Where will you be posting the hints for the Contest? In which forum? |
| 23:23.05 | Wobin | le freak, c'est chic |
| 23:23.09 | Cairenn | front page (community tab) |
| 23:23.15 | AbsolutRayne | Ok :) |
| 23:23.27 | Cairenn | tomorrow night starts it :) |
| 23:23.41 | AbsolutRayne | I know :D |
| 23:23.53 | AbsolutRayne | Ill be up all night drinking monsters!!! |
| 23:23.56 | AbsolutRayne | And having a ehart attack |
| 23:24.02 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:25.33 | AbsolutRayne | Now do we have to be registered users on the site? |
| 23:26.38 | AbsolutRayne | teh wife is a pet collector and will probably be interested |
| 23:29.01 | Cairenn | AbsolutRayne: obviously |
| 23:29.13 | Cairenn | how else can you enter/be contacted? |
| 23:29.29 | AbsolutRayne | Good point |
| 23:29.31 | AbsolutRayne | <_< |
| 23:29.42 | Cairenn | unregistered_user_0023, you won! |
| 23:30.04 | Cairenn | I have no idea who you are, but just contact me and I'll believe it was you and give you the prize! |
| 23:30.11 | Cairenn | giggles at AbsolutRayne |
| 23:31.19 | AbsolutRayne | Cairenn: You so mean to mes :( |
| 23:31.28 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 23:31.34 | Cairenn | you love it |
| 23:31.41 | AbsolutRayne | Sometimes :P |
| 23:31.45 | AbsolutRayne | Also, yay new boots from Ulda |
| 23:31.45 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 23:31.47 | Cairenn | *hug* |
| 23:39.30 | Ginji | lol, people really hate Oculus |
| 23:39.57 | nevcairiel | i had it twice today |
| 23:40.02 | nevcairiel | both we had a very smooth run |
| 23:40.06 | nevcairiel | even the final boss |
| 23:41.57 | Ginji | Twice I've seen people leave as soon as they realize it's Oculus |
| 23:44.09 | foxlit | I've had an Oculus heroic pop up. It's AWESOME. |
| 23:44.24 | foxlit | [Though Blizzard needs to realize that their scaling is not helping emerald drakes much.] |
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| 23:45.23 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/hard-drives-sculptures/ |
| 23:45.24 | Adys | man |
| 23:47.44 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20437376853&sid=1&pageNo=4#73 |
| 23:47.52 | foxlit | I demand a refund for this blatant misinformation. |
| 23:48.30 | nevcairiel | you listen to white posts? |
| 23:48.57 | foxlit | It's not unheard of. :) |
| 23:52.29 | foxlit | Hm, actually, it's just poorly phrased. |
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| 23:55.57 | Shadowed | It requires a hardware event now? |
| 23:56.03 | Shadowed | is what he meant to say I assume |
| 23:56.08 | foxlit | Yes, that's the exact meaning. |
| 23:56.25 | Shadowed | It doesn't help that "protected" has multiple meanings now |
| 23:56.31 | Shadowed | since it originally just meant hardware event required |
| 23:57.10 | foxlit | kind of sucks, really |
| 23:58.27 | Shadowed | that they protected it? |
| 23:58.32 | foxlit | No. |
| 23:58.41 | foxlit | That we have a bazillion meanings of protected flying around. |
| 23:59.20 | Shadowed | It's really only two meanings :p |
| 23:59.33 | foxlit | And then you find protected frames. |
| 23:59.33 | Shadowed | One is hardware event required, the other is cannot be called by unsecure code |
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| 23:59.46 | foxlit | And no-calling-this-in-combat functions. |
| 23:59.48 | Shadowed | actually there's also OOC only |
