| 00:00.19 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. |
| 00:00.29 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy is stuck at 70, but she did wonders for opening boxes for me. |
| 00:00.37 | cog|work | good grief... http://blog.cogwheel.info/2009/12/kook-aid-battle-part-1.html#comments |
| 00:00.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i need to finish leveling my rogue |
| 00:00.59 | Yssaril | any decent blacksmith should be able to open boxes for you too |
| 00:01.03 | NightHawkTheSane | if only so i can stop using titanium to make keys |
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| 00:04.05 | WobWork | cog|work: as far as I could see, all the response to your link was "Okay, I watched it. And?" |
| 00:07.13 | Amarande | Yssaril: I *am* a blacksmith, I'm just wondering if the keys are worth using mats on |
| 00:07.24 | Amarande | also there's a few at this point that I'd still need a rogue for, even with arcanite keys |
| 00:07.39 | Amarande | (wondering if perhaps I should wait until my alchemist turns 35 and can make my own arcanite ...) |
| 00:08.15 | Yssaril | Amarande: when i leveled my BSing on my DK i ended up with hundreds of keys |
| 00:09.02 | Yssaril | am not sure about the lower leve ones but the last one is pretty cheep to make http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43853 |
| 00:09.51 | Yssaril | went from 430 to 440ish making those so i have alot left even now |
| 00:10.26 | Yssaril | though wotlk boxes seam to be extreamly rare |
| 00:10.59 | Amarande | omg. |
| 00:11.05 | Amarande | the croc actually holds aggro. |
| 00:11.23 | Amarande | Yssaril: ahh, I leveled my BS via mostly making armor items, which is why I used so doggone much thorium |
| 00:11.50 | Yssaril | yea those levels are rough |
| 00:12.26 | Amarande | hmm, are gorillas really any better than crocs for tanking? |
| 00:14.04 | foxlit | Invest in bears. |
| 00:14.08 | foxlit | The druid kind. |
| 00:15.25 | NightHawkTheSane | not since they moved thunderstop into the talent tree |
| 00:15.43 | Amarande | crocs might even be better now |
| 00:15.48 | Amarande | especially with badshield attispike :) |
| 00:19.08 | Amarande | actually, what's bad attitude more like |
| 00:19.17 | Amarande | I know it reminds me of some sort of typical tank paladin ability and now I can't remember what |
| 00:19.24 | Amarande | I want to say retri aura but I keep thinking there's something else |
| 00:20.14 | NightHawkTheSane | retaliation |
| 00:21.53 | DWSR | PREPARE FOR RETALIATORY ACTION! |
| 00:21.58 | DWSR | Sorry, had a Worms moment. |
| 00:22.47 | Amarande | heh, there's a croc in the Australia Zoo named Agro |
| 00:22.52 | Amarande | wonder how many crocolisk pets there must be named that |
| 00:22.56 | Amarande | especially given the role of a tenacity pet heh |
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| 00:23.16 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, Steve Irwin named that croc years and years ago. Bitey brute, I think he said. :) |
| 00:24.44 | Amarande | I thought that was Bindi |
| 00:24.57 | Amarande | OK, Zorba, is this your addon or the Blizzard quest helper failing on me? :) |
| 00:25.05 | DWSR | did htey change it so that people on mounts cannot be harmed by PvP action? |
| 00:25.05 | Lopeppeppy | No, I think Aggro has been around since before Bindi was born. |
| 00:25.10 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, I think they did. |
| 00:25.12 | Amarande | *cough* it isn't handling the z-coordinate well, whatever it is *cough* |
| 00:25.33 | Amarande | uploading screenie. |
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| 00:26.55 | Amarande | http://www.lunasanguine.com/images/WoWScrnShot_120909_192523.jpg |
| 00:27.10 | Amarande | is that QH's arrow or is that in the Blizzard 3.3 thing? I never ran 3.3 without addons, so I can't tell :S |
| 00:27.10 | ZorbaBeta | could be Z coordinate, yeah |
| 00:27.16 | ZorbaBeta | probably is, in fact |
| 00:27.21 | ZorbaBeta | that's QH's arrow, Blizz doesn't have an arrow |
| 00:27.32 | ZorbaBeta | I don't yet do anything clever like "go into this cave to go get this box" |
| 00:27.38 | ZorbaBeta | probably should, but don't |
| 00:27.39 | Thunder_Child | though cart does also |
| 00:27.43 | tlund | if i do a /reload, wow crashes within 2 seconds after the loadinscreen goes away. disable all but my "core" addons. anyone heard of anyone else having this problem? |
| 00:27.52 | Thunder_Child | as it happens it doesnt look quite like that |
| 00:27.59 | ZorbaBeta | cart and tomtom both have arrows, but that's either QH's arrow or QH's integration with one of those |
| 00:28.00 | Dagmar | What happens when you disable _all_ your addons? |
| 00:28.08 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, apocalypse. |
| 00:28.23 | Torhal | ZorbaBeta: Does QH use the new Quest info yet? |
| 00:28.34 | Amarande | Dagmar: WoW becomes unbearable to play :| |
| 00:28.39 | Jerub | that reminds me. must submit quest data. |
| 00:28.40 | Torhal | I'm missing 6 quests in Blade's Edge and 60 in Kalimdor and I have no idea where the hell they could be |
| 00:28.42 | ZorbaBeta | torhal, the new quest info is nearly useless to me. so, no, and it's not gonna for quite a while if ever |
| 00:28.43 | tlund | Dagmar: wanted to know if it was a known problem with an addon before i started over enabeling htem one by one :) |
| 00:28.45 | Amarande | why do you think I get so pissy when it's patch day and half my addons don't work :D |
| 00:28.51 | Torhal | Bleargh |
| 00:28.51 | ZorbaBeta | oh, you mean the quest-completion data? |
| 00:28.53 | ZorbaBeta | yes, /qh incomplete |
| 00:28.54 | Torhal | Aye |
| 00:28.58 | Torhal | Woot. Danke. |
| 00:29.02 | Dagmar | tlund: I didn't say enable them one by one. I asked what happens when you disable them all |
| 00:29.12 | ZorbaBeta | you'll have to scan each zone, I'm sorry to say, I didn't want to deal with the overhead of drawing on the entire goddamn world |
| 00:29.22 | Dagmar | If it happens when you disable them ALL then you don't _need_ to re-enabled them one by one. |
| 00:29.29 | tlund | Dagmar: true. :) |
| 00:29.29 | Torhal | S'ok - I only have two zones I need quests from now. |
| 00:29.37 | Dagmar | Triage, man. ) |
| 00:29.40 | ZorbaBeta | "kalimdor" is a lot of zones ;) |
| 00:29.48 | Torhal | Well, yeah |
| 00:29.52 | Torhal | I meant areas |
| 00:29.58 | Torhal | Blade's Edge is a zone, though, so... |
| 00:30.08 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that'll be easy enough |
| 00:30.12 | ZorbaBeta | it'll just say "go here you idiot" |
| 00:30.16 | ZorbaBeta | and you will |
| 00:30.18 | ZorbaBeta | and that'll be it. |
| 00:30.27 | Torhal | Noice. Updating, then |
| 00:30.46 | tlund | Dagmar: no crash with no addons (as expected, actually) |
| 00:31.05 | Dagmar | Okay. That's good. |
| 00:31.13 | Dagmar | By the way, the key isn't to disable them all one by one |
| 00:31.21 | Dagmar | The key is to disable _half_ of them. |
| 00:31.23 | ZorbaBeta | binary search, baby |
| 00:31.27 | Dagmar | Repeat test. |
| 00:31.35 | ZorbaBeta | rocks out on an invisible logarithmic-time guitar |
| 00:31.35 | Dagmar | Enable other half, disable first half, repeat. |
| 00:32.01 | NightHawkTheSane | yay, math rock? |
| 00:32.17 | ZorbaBeta | the guitar of logarithms is a gnarly guitar indeed |
| 00:32.19 | Dagmar | Well, I won't say it's exactly obvious to do a binary search for the problem |
| 00:32.35 | cbreak | it's not? |
| 00:32.43 | Dagmar | Not to most people |
| 00:32.48 | ZorbaBeta | I think it depends on how much of a coder you are ;) |
| 00:32.48 | tlund | actually, it is. im just tired :) |
| 00:33.10 | Dagmar | if it were all that obvious we'd have never been teaching people about bubble sorts |
| 00:33.13 | tlund | i WAS gonna go one by one, with just my "core" addons, but a binary search is faster :) |
| 00:33.46 | Dagmar | I wanna know what's up with that weird console text I keep seeing |
| 00:34.11 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, what's the text? |
| 00:34.16 | Dagmar | I can read several thousand WPM but I can't read that stuff in the 1-2 frames it's up there. I'm going to try something fancy with the camera phone when I get home |
| 00:34.42 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: Practically the moment just before the login screen appears, there's a buncha text on the screen about loading through failures, zones and etc |
| 00:34.53 | ZorbaBeta | curious |
| 00:34.59 | Dagmar | ...and I'm not kidding about it only being up there for an eyeblink |
| 00:35.06 | Dagmar | It's definitely new tho |
| 00:35.27 | NightHawkTheSane | dollars to donuts its some debugging shit that got left in accidentally |
| 00:35.33 | Dagmar | I suspect it might be an artifact from the change that was made to add atmosphere to the charselect scenes, but that's almost speculation |
| 00:35.35 | tlund | yeah, i have that console thing also |
| 00:36.18 | Dagmar | I was too busy wanting to see the new zones to worry too much about it or the fail of the lich king last night |
| 00:36.55 | Dagmar | CNN is awesome tonight |
| 00:37.10 | tlund | whats up on CNN? |
| 00:37.12 | Dagmar | If I didn't know any better, I'd think there was a statistical possibiility that Tiger Woods was doing my mom on the side |
| 00:37.28 | Dagmar | These media whores are really getting out of control |
| 00:37.32 | cbreak | that golf guy? |
| 00:37.36 | Dagmar | yes |
| 00:37.48 | cbreak | did he die or something? |
| 00:37.54 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 00:37.59 | NightHawkTheSane | he just acted like a normal human being |
| 00:38.10 | cbreak | so he did die. |
| 00:38.10 | NightHawkTheSane | not the paragon of virtue which we made him into |
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| 00:38.13 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 00:38.42 | Dagmar | They're so pissed that Woods wouldn't talk to anyone (because he's never been known to shill himself to reporters) about that car crash they're "identifying" so many mistresses it's a wonder the guy has any time or energy left for golf |
| 00:38.49 | KarlKFI|work | dunno is 10 affairs while married is normal |
| 00:39.08 | Lopeppeppy | Depends on the marriage? |
| 00:39.10 | Lunessa | If you're massively rich, travel a lot, and can get away with it? Sure it is. |
| 00:39.13 | Dagmar | That's several times more than the guy who just got shot to death over it here. |
| 00:39.23 | Dagmar | McSomething-or-other that football player |
| 00:39.25 | cbreak | 10 concurrent affairs? |
| 00:39.28 | cbreak | or in series? |
| 00:39.36 | NightHawkTheSane | who knows? |
| 00:39.37 | NightHawkTheSane | who cares? |
| 00:39.41 | KarlKFI|work | now that's multitasking |
| 00:39.44 | Lopeppeppy | His business. |
| 00:39.45 | Dagmar | I would prefer it if they were all at once |
| 00:39.46 | Lunessa | He dipped that wick |
| 00:39.51 | Dagmar | Then he'd be my damn hero |
| 00:39.53 | cbreak | It's probably not preemptive |
| 00:40.17 | Dagmar | Any way you slice it in the time frames involved, he's been a busy guy |
| 00:40.31 | tlund | ok! narrowed it down! |
| 00:40.34 | tlund | its outfitter |
| 00:40.45 | NightHawkTheSane | outfitter? i hardly know her! |
| 00:40.46 | tlund | just one test left, doing it with ONLY outfitter enabled :) |
| 00:40.48 | Dagmar | What we need to bring this back under control I think is for photos to surface of Nancy Grace eating kittens |
| 00:41.11 | NightHawkTheSane | that'd be neat |
| 00:41.12 | Lunessa | Nancy Grace is a travesty. |
| 00:41.20 | cbreak | I do not know that person. |
| 00:41.24 | cbreak | goes ask wikipedia |
| 00:41.24 | Dagmar | I'm sure these people would take a different approach if the viewfinders were turned on them |
| 00:41.55 | Dagmar | cbreak: She's that former lawyer from Atlanta who has her own show on CNN trying to make the mothers of kidnapped children kill themselves. |
| 00:41.56 | Lunessa | Former laywer turned shill media pundit that 'covers' any thing legal getting media attention. |
| 00:42.16 | cbreak | sounds like she's evil |
| 00:42.19 | Lunessa | And she NEVER has ANYTHING good to say about ANYONE |
| 00:42.21 | Dagmar | She is. |
| 00:42.35 | cbreak | she must have an affair with the lich king |
| 00:42.41 | Dagmar | She no longer practices law in Georgia because more than a few law firms said "not anymore you don't" |
| 00:43.07 | Lunessa | And any person who has the misfortune to catch her attention has their lives destroyed on top of whatever other criminal/tragic events are unfolding. |
| 00:43.13 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 00:43.17 | cbreak | I only know two US laywers: NYCCountyLaywer and Jack Tompson. |
| 00:43.22 | cbreak | reads too much SlashDot |
| 00:43.30 | tlund | *sight* no crash with ONLY outfitter enabled :/ |
| 00:43.50 | cbreak | so it was something else in the bracket? |
| 00:44.03 | cbreak | did you test with anything but outfitter? |
| 00:45.48 | tlund | cbreak: a-o without outfitter = no crash |
| 00:45.55 | tlund | cbreak: a-o with outfitter = crash |
| 00:46.03 | Dagmar | cbreak: Well, if those are both ends of the spectrum, Grace is in a shoving match with Jack Thompson |
| 00:46.03 | tlund | only outfiter = no crash |
| 00:46.57 | Adys | lua> ({}):insert(1) |
| 00:46.58 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: attempt to call method 'insert' (a nil value) |
| 00:47.06 | Adys | why he do that :( |
| 00:47.14 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster nope |
| 00:47.49 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster have you seen the ban file that comes with the client? |
| 00:48.14 | Arrowmaster | yes, and no i havent checked to see if it looks like its changed |
| 00:48.17 | sylvanaar | baddons.wcf |
| 00:48.28 | Arrowmaster | ive only updated wow, i havent even started it since it updated |
| 00:48.38 | sylvanaar | i dont know how to read it |
| 00:48.46 | sylvanaar | but - there is a blacklist |
| 00:48.52 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 00:49.34 | sylvanaar | i wonder how it knows - just by name? |
| 00:49.40 | sylvanaar | or heuristics |
| 00:49.44 | tlund | cool. now i have a combo of addons that makes wow crash directly at login, no need /reload anymore :) |
| 00:49.46 | sylvanaar | or api |
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| 00:51.36 | sylvanaar | at least that code path has been tested now |
| 00:51.40 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 00:52.36 | sylvanaar | enchantrix should have been grouped with auctioneer though |
| 00:53.01 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: no it hasnt, that image is probably a fake |
| 00:53.14 | Adys | lua> ({}).insert |
| 00:53.15 | lua_bot | Adys: nil |
| 00:53.25 | Adys | lua> table.insert |
| 00:53.26 | lua_bot | Adys: function: 0x884f3c8 |
| 00:53.29 | sylvanaar | yeah, ill buy that |
| 00:53.30 | Adys | that makes no sense to me |
| 00:53.35 | Adys | someone explain? |
| 00:53.43 | Arrowmaster | Adys: tables are not like strings |
| 00:53.52 | Adys | lua> {}.insert |
| 00:53.53 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '{' |
| 00:54.05 | Adys | well thats useful :( |
| 00:54.42 | Adys | lua> t={};t:insert(1);return t |
| 00:54.43 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: attempt to call method 'insert' (a nil value) |
| 00:54.51 | tlund | GAH. i cat get a reproducable result :( |
| 00:55.02 | Dagmar | That's a problem |
| 00:55.04 | Arrowmaster | tables cant have a generic metatable on them like strings do because you can and are encouraged to change the metatable on tables |
| 00:55.10 | Dagmar | Where are you at when you're logging in? |
| 00:55.18 | tlund | dalaran |
| 00:55.22 | Dagmar | It might have something to do with it. You might do well to go somewhere "quieter" |
| 00:55.23 | Adys | Arrowmaster: so that means I cant use : |
| 00:55.35 | Arrowmaster | Adys: exactly, why did you think you even could? |
| 00:55.38 | tlund | Dagmar: the problem is that now its not crashing anymore, not at login not at /reload |
| 00:55.42 | Dagmar | Wait are you using Vista or Windows 7 perhaps? |
| 00:55.53 | tlund | windows 7 64bit |
| 00:55.53 | Adys | because Im a python programmer |
| 00:55.56 | Adys | this shit makes sense to me |
| 00:55.58 | Dagmar | tlund: So heh if it's not crashing |
| 00:55.59 | Adys | its natural |
| 00:56.17 | Dagmar | tlund: Right so, spiteful as this sounds, Windows 7 still has some really retarded bugs |
| 00:56.21 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster though that is what a banned addon would look like |
| 00:56.29 | Dagmar | Make sure you still have full control rights to everything in your WoW directory |
| 00:56.37 | tlund | Dagmar: i do. |
| 00:56.46 | Adys | I dont do stuff like someclass().__setitem__(someclass, hello, world) |
| 00:56.51 | Dagmar | I set up the ACLs for it here just to have Windows 7 decide it didn't like them and do away with half of them |
| 00:56.56 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: yeah and its not hard to just replace GetAddOnInfo() with a function that says GearScore is banned |
| 00:56.56 | tlund | Dagmar: its directly in /games and i am an administrator |
| 00:57.02 | Dagmar | It made the client act crazy when it could write to some cache files but not others |
| 00:57.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: that'd be WoW, not Win7 |
| 00:57.09 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster thats true |
| 00:57.18 | Arrowmaster | Adys: Lua is not fucking OO dont fucking try to use it OO |
| 00:57.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: and/or you canceled your permissions change part way through |
| 00:57.23 | tlund | Dagmar: ill do a "take ownership" and reset permissions |
| 00:57.24 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: nope |
| 00:57.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Then the former |
| 00:57.41 | Adys | Im just explaining why i thought i even could |
| 00:57.47 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Not that either |
| 00:58.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Little doubtful, considering it has been chmodding stuff under linux to 050 |
| 00:58.05 | sylvanaar | i heard people talking about using gearscore anyways |
| 00:58.16 | Adys | Can someone ban this piece of shit of Rawrkitty? |
| 00:58.36 | Adys | fucker keeps spamming me about his omg im gonna be banned Im on a private server |
| 00:59.09 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: ^ |
| 00:59.15 | sylvanaar | baddons is prolly blizz addons anyways |
| 00:59.20 | sylvanaar | come to think of it |
| 00:59.24 | Arrowmaster | agreed i told him the same damn thing on two different days |
| 00:59.43 | Rawrkitty | ahh ik i have massive apranoia, im just gona chill |
| 00:59.47 | Rawrkitty | ahh relax... |
| 00:59.50 | Adys | you dont have paranoia |
| 00:59.53 | Adys | you're a fucking troll |
| 00:59.58 | ScytheBlade1 | We'd rather just ban you |
| 00:59.59 | Rawrkitty | no i do have paranoia |
| 01:00.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly, it looks like the ops here are afk at the moment |
| 01:00.12 | ScytheBlade1 | mourns |
| 01:00.17 | Rawrkitty | ill leave if u want not a problem |
| 01:00.26 | sylvanaar | the GoW3 E3 demo was too fucking short |
| 01:00.29 | ScytheBlade1 | If you have an issue like that, ask it on the customer service boards |
| 01:00.30 | Amarande | dammit |
| 01:00.34 | Amarande | I wanted to download an addon to do something |
| 01:00.36 | Amarande | and now I forget what it was :| |
| 01:00.41 | Rawrkitty | alright, im chill now |
| 01:01.14 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: The file modes thing under Linux sounds like a umask deal to me |
| 01:01.26 | Adys | is this about the launcher being shit again? |
| 01:01.35 | Ginji | Probably |
| 01:01.43 | Dagmar | I think what's going on with W7 is that it's not quite ready to handle journaling yet. |
| 01:02.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: nope, as it consistently changes permissions upon launch. |
| 01:02.04 | Dagmar | I suspect it's not actually closing out some apps properly, resulting in an unclean reboot and partial rollback of changes |
| 01:02.43 | Dagmar | ...and there's also the matter of it screwing up royally when tryinig to access some other NTFS filesystem that at one point was considered to be C:\ |
| 01:02.47 | Jerub | the more i look at the reports of the frost/triumph random dungeon reward bug, the more it looks like it's a timezone issue :) |
| 01:02.53 | Jerub | silly blizzard on silly american time |
| 01:02.55 | Jerub | :) |
| 01:03.07 | Amarande | people using servers not the same as their local time? |
| 01:03.15 | Amarande | I get off lucky with that, since Turalyon is an Eastern time server |
| 01:03.21 | Dagmar | The RC was screwing up there, and the RTM isn't doing any better |
| 01:03.35 | Jerub | i wonder if my frost emblems will be taken from me. |
| 01:03.44 | Adys | i doubt it |
| 01:03.49 | Dagmar | If past behaviour is any indication, they won't. |
| 01:03.57 | Adys | man |
| 01:03.59 | Adys | bugzilla sucks |
| 01:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | nah, it rocks |
| 01:04.19 | ScytheBlade1 | l2bugzilla |
| 01:04.24 | Jerub | yay |
| 01:04.26 | Jerub | freefrost |
| 01:04.27 | Adys | HAHAH I LOVE GOOGLE |
| 01:04.37 | Adys | http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20643 |
| 01:04.40 | Adys | I was looking for this bug |
| 01:04.50 | Adys | and I input "not a wine bug" next to my query in google |
| 01:05.05 | Adys | it promptly refused to have anything to do with bugs.winehq.org |
| 01:06.25 | Dagmar | Wow I'm bookmarking that one |
| 01:06.31 | Dagmar | It's a whole new class of crazy-ass bug |
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| 01:07.40 | Dagmar | Interesting. |
| 01:08.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Told you |
| 01:09.37 | Dagmar | Someone made a big, fat typo somewhere |
| 01:10.18 | Dagmar | So this only lends more weight to the possibility that dude's permissions/ACLs got torched |
| 01:10.50 | Adys | http://gizmodo.com/5422563/norse-spiral-gallery/gallery/ |
| 01:10.54 | Adys | the pics are absolutely beautiful |
| 01:10.56 | airtonix | Dagmar, i thought you had wow running on linux? |
| 01:10.56 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
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| 01:11.16 | Amarande | dammit, either my battlegroup sucks or classic dungeons are just THAT unpopular |
| 01:11.32 | elspeth | hug ZorbaBeta |
| 01:11.33 | Amarande | I queued up for Random Classic on my hunter when I logged on and never saw it pop |
| 01:11.34 | Dagmar | airtonix: That depends on which phase the moon is in |
| 01:11.39 | elspeth | thank you for qh incomplete :D |
| 01:11.52 | Amarande | hmm, wonder how the random works |
| 01:11.52 | Dagmar | airtonix: I'm like the proverbial guy with nine "mostly working" cars in the backyard when it comes to Linux |
| 01:12.06 | Dagmar | It's seldom I have actually gotten everything working at one time before going on to break and then repair something else |
| 01:12.16 | airtonix | Dagmar, and for the record a week ago a did a clean install of wow, and i think the launcher started changing the permissions on my wow folder around patch 3.0 |
| 01:12.21 | Amarande | does it like, pick a dungeon as soon as you queue up and wait for that to pop, or does it (most likely?) just stick you in the first queue group that has a free space for you? |
| 01:12.42 | Jerub | Amarande: i dunno. at level 80 it takes me about 5 seconds to find a group as healer/tank, but 10-15 as dps |
| 01:13.01 | Jerub | Amarande: so i would assume it just has a queue for each, and as soon as it has a complete group assembled, it throws you in it. |
| 01:13.31 | Jerub | it only selects the dungeon at the point it has a group assembled. |
| 01:13.47 | Dagmar | airtonix: For one example, at the moment I can't play it under Wine because the Ubuntu drive I was last doing it under is sitting on the kitchen counter, and the most complete setup I have is my headless fileserver |
| 01:14.13 | devZero | does anyone know if there was any significant changes to QUEST_COMPLETE? |
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| 01:14.40 | Dagmar | Being htat I'm going to start caching and rsynching trees on said fileserver, it got higher priority than rebuilding my desktop after cleaning it's innards |
| 01:14.59 | Dagmar | It's all very clean and spread out on the countertops |
| 01:15.08 | Dagmar | I can do that, cuz I'm a bachelor. :0 |
| 01:15.17 | devZero | I'm having a troubling issue w/ my addon where I go to turn in a completed quest, and the quest text/reward is either gone, or partially showing. Then I do a /reload try again, and everything is fine. |
| 01:15.43 | devZero | if I disable my addon, the issue doesn't occur, and I've narrowed it down to my QUEST_COMPLETE event, but I can't see any code that would cause the issue. |
| 01:16.43 | devZero | also, no errors are being caught either by my own debug code, or the lua error display in the client. |
| 01:17.58 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/18341/quel-dorai-sash/ |
| 01:18.01 | Adys | wheres this from? |
| 01:18.55 | Jerub | can someone help me figure out what items to get with my stinking great big pile of emblems of frost? |
| 01:19.05 | Adys | [Porn] |
| 01:19.11 | Dagmar | Oh yes |
| 01:19.23 | Dagmar | No wait, that would only be blue loot |
| 01:19.30 | Dagmar | snickers. |
| 01:19.33 | Jerub | there's porn in the latest updates. |
| 01:19.45 | Jerub | the phamphlets about picking up elven chicks, etc. |
| 01:20.17 | Dagmar | I thought those went in with 3.0 |
| 01:21.42 | Amarande | Jerub: depends, you might want to save them for primordial saronite and get some rep with ashen verdict for the uber recipes |
| 01:21.51 | Amarande | especially if you're a hunter and want to make your own 91.5 ammo |
| 01:21.57 | Jerub | s/frost/triumph |
| 01:22.02 | Jerub | sorry, i'm an idiot some days. |
| 01:22.14 | Amarande | hmm, any crusader orb recipes still an upgrade for you? maybe some orbs if so |
| 01:22.17 | Jerub | i already know i want the T10 idol |
| 01:22.21 | Dagmar | The guild leader has NO idea how hard I'm going to be pressing him to crank that stuff out |
| 01:22.22 | Jerub | oh, good point. |
| 01:22.42 | Jerub | my bear has 2T8.5 2T9 and i'm not sure i want 4T9 |
| 01:23.00 | Jerub | I'm tempted to go straight to ilvl 245 head/shoulders from triumph vendors. |
| 01:23.05 | Dagmar | It took me kinda letting slip how I could afford to just buy a double fistful of bullet ingredients from the AH to make him realize there was steady profit there |
| 01:23.08 | Jerub | and my tree doesn't have any sets at all :/ |
| 01:23.39 | Dagmar | Jerub: check the loot lists carefully first |
| 01:23.50 | Amarande | yay, dinged 40. |
| 01:23.57 | Amarande | only 40 more levels before I can see about getting geared for auriaya |
| 01:24.17 | Jerub | Dagmar: I guess I should run ICC5mans on heroic a few times. |
| 01:24.26 | Jerub | do any of the sites that look at armory show T10 stuff yet? |
| 01:24.43 | Dagmar | I wasn't amused to realize I'd bought 245's of stuff that I'd ahve gotten 232's of if I'd just been patient... or bought the 245's for the slots that didn't have reasonably-available drops |
| 01:24.44 | Jerub | I haven't picked up a 5man drop for anything other than vendoring in months. |
| 01:25.27 | Jerub | http://quickarmory.com/?n=brandi&r=Dath%27Remar is what I use to see my stuff. |
| 01:25.44 | Amarande | Apparently, I should be targeting Auriaya 25 and Jaraxxus (Dammit, forget which mode), and possibly the Lich King in the final ICC5 |
| 01:25.55 | airtonix | lulz to do heroic raid icecrown you have to do the normal one EVERY WEEK |
| 01:25.56 | Amarande | Once I hit 80, that is. :) |
| 01:26.11 | Amarande | airtonix: people will probably want to anyway for the rep? |
| 01:26.21 | airtonix | another thing to complain about on the forums...GLEEE |
| 01:26.41 | Jerub | oh that's curious. i don't have ilvl245 anything on my bear |
| 01:27.10 | Jerub | i guess i should just fix that and tank moar. |
| 01:27.14 | Jerub | I've not used my kitty for weeks. |
| 01:27.15 | Amarande | I have a couple 245 pieces on my warlock, though oddly enough still also a 187 and a couple 200 blues |
| 01:27.18 | Jerub | (and kitty is my favourite :/) |
| 01:27.27 | Amarande | well, four 200 blues, but 2 of those are trinkets :P |
| 01:27.49 | Jerub | Amarande: Shared of the Scale / Shard of the Flame. totally win trinkets. |
| 01:27.57 | Dagmar | Dude, run HToC5 a few times |
| 01:28.11 | Amarande | I'm kinda losing interest in my lock though |
| 01:28.11 | Jerub | Dude, run ICC5 |
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| 01:28.13 | Amarande | my hunter keeps taking more of my time :) |
| 01:28.31 | Dagmar | Well, yeah that too |
| 01:28.43 | Jerub | we had a guildy with a week old 80 who had never tanked before tank the first ICC 5man as the first instance he ever tanked. |
| 01:28.49 | Xuerian | So.... my custom ouf frames from a year ago don't even show up now... <_< |
| 01:28.57 | Xuerian | starts the process of updating his shit again |
| 01:29.21 | Jerub | it would've been more interesting if my tree wasn't geared for togc10 |
| 01:30.37 | airtonix | [list of things to complain about on a daily basis : 4,388 |
| 01:30.46 | airtonix | progress so far : 23 |
| 01:30.50 | airtonix | long day |
| 01:31.07 | Jerub | progress so far : 24 |
| 01:31.50 | Dagmar | Am I misreading something about Viper Sting here... It talks about draining 4% mana over 8s, but then in parens says "up to a max of 8% of the caster's maximum mana" |
| 01:32.14 | Dagmar | Are they just covering their bases in case someone's wearing a ton of -int gear or something? |
| 01:33.09 | NightHawkTheSane | what i think it means is that your target loses 4% of their mana |
| 01:33.13 | Shirik | Dagmar: They're covering the base of your opponent having a ton of mana |
| 01:33.16 | Dagmar | Oh wait, now I get it. "the caster" being me, not "the caster" I was shooting with it |
| 01:33.17 | NightHawkTheSane | but you can only gain 8% of your max mana |
| 01:33.31 | Shirik | the same is true of mana burn |
| 01:34.14 | Dagmar | There's so many freaking casters in what I've seen of ICC I might as well make a 'quick and dirty' macro alternating between it and Serpent Sting |
| 01:34.32 | ZorbaBeta | elspeth, glad you're finding it useful :) |
| 01:35.09 | Amarande | I died in heroic HoS last night. :( |
| 01:35.31 | Amarande | Am I just thinking it, or does that damned laser during the last part of the system security event speed debuff you if it hits? |
| 01:35.40 | Amarande | I seemed awfully sluggish trying to get out of it anyway :| |
| 01:35.40 | Shirik | huggles Cair |
| 01:35.44 | Shirik | Cairenn |
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| 01:35.50 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, if you're one of the classes with nonstandard "ranged"-slot items, one of those is always a good choice |
| 01:35.52 | Cairenn | huggles Shirik |
| 01:35.58 | ZorbaBeta | since at this point they're emblem-only upgrades |
| 01:36.21 | Dagmar | Amarande: I've no idea. I'm generally too busy bouncing around to notice |
| 01:36.43 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, I don't think it does, I've tanked it quite a few times and gotten lasered more than once |
| 01:36.44 | Amarande | What I know is I got lasered, and when I realized I was, I tried to get out of it and somehow died before I could |
| 01:36.55 | Amarande | either it speed debuffs you, or I was unlucky enough to be fleeing in the direction the laser itself was moving :| |
| 01:36.59 | Dagmar | Keep moving more then |
| 01:37.10 | ZorbaBeta | the latter is quite possible. alternatively it does a ton of damage. |
| 01:37.13 | Amarande | since I didn't exactly note that. |
| 01:37.18 | NightHawkTheSane | you're probably just bad |
| 01:37.19 | Amarande | what I did notice was "you're on fire, get moving" |
| 01:37.22 | Amarande | so I did. |
| 01:37.24 | NightHawkTheSane | there's no debuff. you just need to not suck |
| 01:38.07 | Amarande | also, granted, it was the first time I was in a successful HoS run |
| 01:38.13 | Amarande | somehow I had managed to miss that instance earlier |
| 01:38.27 | Arrowmaster | so whoever mentioned something about wow being broken in wine was right |
| 01:38.31 | Amarande | I've still never done Azjol-Nerub or Occy on heroic yet either |
| 01:39.24 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: I'm saving up frost for those. |
| 01:39.35 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: the ilvl 264 items are just totally win for the idol slot. |
| 01:39.56 | Jerub | Amarande: AN is a 11 minute instance. |
| 01:40.09 | ZorbaBeta | I'm picking up triumph idols on my druid right now because of how crazy cheap they are, I'll probably spend my frost badges on something else for the time being |
| 01:40.21 | Jerub | Amarande: if you can't do it in under 15 minutes you should just quit wow. |
| 01:40.27 | ZorbaBeta | (he has exactly one item that is higher than ilvl200epic, and it's his ilvl245 idol) |
| 01:40.28 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: frost one is only 30. |
| 01:40.39 | ZorbaBeta | sure, but 30 frost badges is two weeks of daily heroics |
| 01:40.46 | Jerub | unless you're bugged :P |
| 01:40.53 | Jerub | ;) |
| 01:40.56 | ZorbaBeta | while 25 triumph badges is, what, five heroics? :P |
| 01:41.04 | Jerub | :) |
| 01:42.18 | Jerub | I have 160 triumph badges on my druid |
| 01:42.32 | Amarande | Jerub: I haven't gotten around to queuing for it yet, and never got around to getting a group for it pre-Dungeon Finder |
| 01:44.04 | Jerub | so what happened to the proof of demise achievement? |
| 01:44.14 | alestane | Feat of Strength. |
| 01:44.51 | Jerub | I was a single quest away from it too :/ |
| 01:45.01 | ZorbaBeta | and you forever will be. |
| 01:45.06 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: :'( |
| 01:47.34 | Dagmar | I had one _completed_ that I hadn't turned in yet |
| 01:47.35 | Dagmar | I'm out 22g! |
| 01:47.41 | Dagmar | rages |
| 01:48.12 | Amarande | Woot, I got a FoS for my Grand Black War Mammoth |
| 01:48.16 | Amarande | they didn't remove that mount, did they? |
| 01:48.42 | Dagmar | A fifth of scotch? |
| 01:48.50 | Dagmar | I don't know if you should be feeding those animals booze. |
| 01:50.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: you should be feeding everything booze |
| 01:52.05 | WobWork | drunk mammoths are the life of a party |
| 01:53.10 | WobWork | really... healing northrend heroics (except the new ones) with similarly geared people is so easy |
| 01:53.23 | WobWork | as long as the dps don't fuck up, people generally take care of themselves |
| 01:53.36 | WobWork | the new ones are at least a bit of a challenge at times |
| 01:53.37 | Jerub | WobWork: meh. as i said earlier, we had a totally green tank and got through the first 5man easy. |
| 01:53.40 | Jerub | oh, wait, that was on norm. |
| 01:53.41 | WobWork | when people don't know the mechanics |
| 01:54.01 | WobWork | Jerub: even the last boss? =)_ |
| 01:54.13 | WobWork | Not knowing the mechanics on that one almost wiped us on heroic |
| 01:54.23 | WobWork | luckily the hunter finished her off at the end |
| 01:54.42 | WobWork | or we'd've had to stop doing the 'zomg zerg' approach |
| 01:54.47 | WobWork | which is much more entertaining =P |
| 01:55.06 | Jerub | WobWork: i think 1 person died on that fight |
| 01:55.11 | Jerub | ... i think it might've been me. |
| 01:55.17 | WobWork | yeah |
| 01:55.19 | WobWork | as the healer? |
| 01:55.23 | Jerub | yeah |
| 01:55.26 | WobWork | yeh |
| 01:55.32 | Jerub | what's the mechanic for that fight? |
| 01:55.33 | WobWork | A healer can heal the dps through the Mirror |
| 01:55.43 | WobWork | but if he's the mirror... *splut* |
| 01:55.54 | WobWork | basically one of the attacks is marking a party member |
| 01:56.08 | WobWork | and a percentage of all damage done to the boss is done to the player |
| 01:56.36 | Jerub | oooh, so if it marks a healer you have to STOP DOTZ$@!!@! |
| 01:56.49 | WobWork | the other two mechanics are a well of souls, which is a 'don't stand in the shit', and a mass of untargetable wraiths |
| 01:56.57 | WobWork | yeah, stop attacking |
| 01:57.09 | WobWork | the healer can get themselves through dots, probably |
| 01:57.24 | WobWork | since it's only a percentage of the damage coming through |
| 01:59.12 | WobWork | however, it's still pretty zergy |
| 01:59.16 | WobWork | at least the first two |
| 01:59.22 | WobWork | haven't tried the third |
| 01:59.36 | Jerub | meh, they're 5 mans. |
| 01:59.54 | WobWork | I'd love a 5man that's actually a challenge to 5 mans |
| 01:59.58 | Jerub | oh, does anyone else have trouble with communicating about the need/greed policy on frozen orbs? |
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| 02:00.05 | Jerub | not that frozen orbs matter at all. |
| 02:00.07 | WobWork | isn't it just greed? |
| 02:00.22 | WobWork | who -needs- them? |
| 02:00.25 | Legorol | no trouble, i just Need on it |
| 02:00.28 | NightHawkTheSane | jc's :P |
| 02:00.29 | Jerub | WobWork: it is on horde/dath'remar-us, but each server has a different policy. |
| 02:00.36 | Dagmar | No one "needs" them |
| 02:00.36 | WobWork | pft |
| 02:00.37 | Legorol | on the grounds that you can never agree a sensible policy with people from other realms |
| 02:00.41 | WobWork | no one -needs- them |
| 02:00.46 | Jerub | alliance/dath'remar-us needs them. |
| 02:00.49 | Legorol | of course i do, i need them to craft and make money |
| 02:00.56 | Legorol | i also need them to make stuff for alts |
| 02:00.59 | WobWork | lies |
| 02:01.00 | Legorol | and for my tailor to level her tailoring |
| 02:01.04 | WobWork | lies again =P |
| 02:01.05 | Dagmar | I suppose everyone should just click need on them all the time then |
| 02:01.10 | Legorol | i think so |
| 02:01.10 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, i typically stock them to make leg patches |
| 02:01.19 | Legorol | i have had some disagreements over it already |
| 02:01.30 | Legorol | so i gave up and now i just state when the group is formed that i will need, regarldess |
| 02:01.33 | Jerub | I'm going to probably end up using a macro for it. |
| 02:01.34 | WobWork | More to the point |
| 02:01.39 | WobWork | it's safer to roll greed on them |
| 02:01.46 | WobWork | given goodwill |
| 02:01.47 | Legorol | no, safer to roll need |
| 02:01.54 | Legorol | because then you can't be screwed over |
| 02:01.55 | WobWork | then you get called a ninja |
| 02:01.58 | Dagmar | Why? So someone can say "I need the money these will bring from the AH"? |
| 02:02.07 | WobWork | Cause you're totally a ninja |
| 02:02.10 | WobWork | NINJA |
| 02:02.25 | Legorol | i am not a ninja.. the person that rolled need alone when the other four rolled greed, |
| 02:02.31 | Legorol | then refused to reroll it and just left party |
| 02:02.33 | Dagmar | I'll probably be saying up front during my next LFD run that people should just click need on the orbs to save confusion |
| 02:02.33 | Legorol | that is a ninja |
| 02:02.34 | Jerub | it's not really 'need' vs. 'greed' but more, 'what everyone else does so we can have an equvilient roll' |
| 02:02.34 | WobWork | of course you are |
| 02:02.36 | WobWork | that's the definition of ninja =P |
| 02:02.48 | Legorol | what jerub said |
| 02:02.49 | WobWork | Jerub: and that's why it's safer to roll greed |
| 02:03.04 | Legorol | no WobWork, it's safer to state that you will need, and so should everyone else |
| 02:03.04 | Dagmar | WobWork: How exactly is that safer? |
| 02:03.05 | Jerub | WobWork: that results in a prisioners dilemma. |
| 02:03.16 | WobWork | You come off better to others if you roll greed, then complain and ask for a reroll |
| 02:03.18 | Jerub | and facilitates ninjas. |
| 02:03.20 | Legorol | rolling Need regardless avoids problems |
| 02:03.23 | Dagmar | It's strikes me as decidedly not safe. |
| 02:03.31 | Legorol | WobWork: i don't care about manners, i care about fairness |
| 02:03.34 | WobWork | Depends on if you're fishing for ninja or not |
| 02:03.37 | Legorol | only all five rolling Need ensures fairness |
| 02:03.46 | Jerub | by requesting everyone roll need, everyone who actually reads and cares will have a chance, and ninjas aren't facilitated. |
| 02:03.47 | WobWork | Only if that gets organised beforehand |
| 02:03.54 | Legorol | what jerub said |
| 02:04.04 | Legorol | WobWork: that's why i said, i state at the start |
| 02:04.06 | Dagmar | Even if there's a messup and you roll need and WIN, they're not bind on pickup |
| 02:04.08 | Legorol | i don't quietly ninjaroll need |
| 02:04.09 | Jerub | hence me probably ending up making a macro asking everoyne to roll need, so i can hit it ebfore the boss fight |
| 02:04.12 | ZorbaBeta | imho orbs just shouldn't be needable ;) |
| 02:04.18 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 02:04.18 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta++ |
| 02:04.30 | Jerub | they already have facility for offspec needs to be equivlent to greeds. |
| 02:04.37 | WobWork | do they? |
| 02:04.40 | Dagmar | I personally don't have a problem with turning right back around and giving people the option to re-roll, or just let me re-roll and see if i can /random above their greed rolls |
| 02:04.40 | Legorol | they what? |
| 02:04.45 | ZorbaBeta | arguably, nothing that's not bop should be needable, because you don't *need* that one, you can just buy it off the AH |
| 02:04.59 | Jerub | if a warrior rolls need on cloth, they roll with the greed rolls. |
| 02:05.05 | WobWork | really? |
| 02:05.09 | Jerub | yeah. |
| 02:05.11 | WobWork | wow |
| 02:05.16 | WobWork | but what about proper offspec |
| 02:05.18 | Dagmar | However, in the converse case, someone who "needs" them for crafting wins it and *doesn't* feel like being reasonable, then the people who rolled greed just got screed |
| 02:05.22 | Dagmar | er screwed |
| 02:05.29 | Legorol | ah jerub means the new functionality of the NBG loot rule |
| 02:05.35 | Legorol | that's enforced by game |
| 02:05.36 | WobWork | like the tank rolls on dps plate? |
| 02:05.43 | Legorol | no, that's not enforced |
| 02:05.47 | Legorol | jerub means wrong armor class |
| 02:05.52 | Legorol | the game doesn't enforce true offspecs |
| 02:06.06 | WobWork | who rolls need on the wrong armour class unless it's a mistake? =) |
| 02:06.06 | Dagmar | Seems like it's a lot safer to roll need on those orbs knowing you can easily prove yourself to be reasonable after-the-fact |
| 02:06.06 | ZorbaBeta | it'd be kind of interesting if they did, and not all *that* hard to code |
| 02:06.08 | ZorbaBeta | but it doesn't |
| 02:06.14 | Legorol | WobWork: boomkins on caster cloth |
| 02:06.21 | WobWork | that's not offspec though |
| 02:06.27 | Jerub | sorry yeah, armor class. |
| 02:06.31 | WobWork | why penalise boomkins? |
| 02:06.40 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: very hard to code. Many trinkets are arguable whether they are tank or dps |
| 02:06.40 | ZorbaBeta | wob, I'd love some cloth on myOH SHIT NPCSCAN ALERT oh *fuck you vyragosa* |
| 02:06.42 | Dagmar | WobWork: because they're boomkins |
| 02:06.42 | ZorbaBeta | ahem where was I |
| 02:06.44 | Legorol | some dps trinkets are good threat trinkets |
| 02:06.49 | ZorbaBeta | I'd love some cloth on my druid |
| 02:07.01 | ZorbaBeta | legorol, so flag it as allowed by both |
| 02:07.01 | ZorbaBeta | done |
| 02:07.04 | Arrowmaster | is that only in the NBG loot type though? i didnt think anybody actually used that |
| 02:07.12 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: what problem does that solve? |
| 02:07.13 | ZorbaBeta | honestly it would be easier to do it as exclusions |
| 02:07.15 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: i think i had one cloth piece on my tree til i found better leather... |
| 02:07.21 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: You raid entirely too much man |
| 02:07.24 | Legorol | plus, given how the T10 DPS tank chest is itemized, I claim that all dps plate is tank loot |
| 02:07.29 | ZorbaBeta | str/agi/ap -> not healer or caster |
| 02:07.33 | Dagmar | Buttloads of people just do NBG and move on |
| 02:07.33 | Legorol | oops i meant DK tank chest |
| 02:07.39 | Legorol | have you seen the stats on the DK T10 tank chest? |
| 02:07.42 | ZorbaBeta | spellpower -> not tank or physdps |
| 02:07.44 | Legorol | no defense, dodge or parry |
| 02:07.50 | WobWork | =( |
| 02:07.51 | Legorol | it has crit and expertise, fully dps itemised |
| 02:07.55 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i think you mean group loot, group loot and need before greed are two different loot methods |
| 02:07.55 | WobWork | I've been avoiding looking at it |
| 02:07.58 | ZorbaBeta | def/dod/parry/block -> not healer, caster, physdps |
| 02:08.08 | ZorbaBeta | that sort of thing |
| 02:08.13 | Amarande | gah, this quest is bugged |
| 02:08.17 | WobWork | how can a tanking piece not have avoidance on it? =( |
| 02:08.25 | Legorol | i was shocked when i saw it today |
| 02:08.33 | Legorol | i went up to the NPC with excitement to check up the new loot |
| 02:08.34 | ZorbaBeta | crit -> not plate-tank (bear tanks want crit) |
| 02:08.35 | Jerub | WobWork: new thrust from blizz is less avoidance less damage more stam |
| 02:08.39 | Legorol | and first i didn't understand why are there two dps sets |
| 02:08.44 | Amarande | are ALL these quests by any chance bugged? |
| 02:08.50 | WobWork | wtf does a DK tank need crit? |
| 02:08.55 | Legorol | word |
| 02:08.56 | Amarande | I heard from a guildie that he can't use the thing on the Farahlon Lashers in Netherstorm |
| 02:09.05 | Arrowmaster | i dont know if its ever been explained though how need before greed is different than group loot so i dont think anybody ever used it either because they didnt know about it or they feared not understanding its behavior |
| 02:09.09 | Amarande | and now I can't seem to use the totem on the black dragonkin for the dragonkin essence quest in Dustwallow |
| 02:09.10 | WobWork | if we need crit for threat, we're screwed =P |
| 02:09.18 | Amarande | sounds like they may have hot fixed that exploit regarding the slimes and FAILED |
| 02:09.20 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: NBG used to be (subtly) different from group loot |
| 02:09.25 | Legorol | now it's very different since 3.3 |
| 02:09.39 | WobWork | Legorol: ... Players in WoW don't do -subtle- =P |
| 02:09.47 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: group loot allows for humans to make decisions about greedy ninjas, and slows down 5man dungeons like a mofo |
| 02:09.48 | Legorol | the old NBG was useless |
| 02:09.51 | Dagmar | Maybe it's different on your server then, but on Skywall even when I'm pugging I seldom see someone who isn't clearly making a decision as to whether they actually need the drop, or they just greed or pass to get the dialog off their screen |
| 02:09.52 | Arrowmaster | but still people have to actually change the loot type to NBG, which 99% of players dont even know exists |
| 02:10.07 | Amarande | the totem keeps complaining "No valid targets" even when a valid target is selected. |
| 02:10.11 | Dagmar | Wait there's a formal mechanism for that now? |
| 02:10.12 | Legorol | the old NBG was crap tbh |
| 02:10.14 | Dagmar | That explains the confusion |
| 02:10.16 | Legorol | there was no reason to use it |
| 02:10.25 | WobWork | hm, can I set my 'always use' to DE then Greed? |
| 02:10.32 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: wait, what? isn't nbg the default? |
| 02:10.34 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, I ran into that same bug |
| 02:10.42 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: no, group loot is |
| 02:10.42 | Jerub | WobWork: then run hicc5 |
| 02:10.42 | ZorbaBeta | ended up just abandoning it and leveling in Maraudon :P |
| 02:10.43 | Jerub | :) |
| 02:10.46 | Jerub | oooh, okay. |
| 02:10.47 | Amarande | [39] The Essence of Enmity |
| 02:10.48 | Legorol | Jerub: group loot used to be the default, and it still is under most circumstances |
| 02:10.54 | Dagmar | WobWork: If you want it to de everything, maybe |
| 02:10.55 | WobWork | Amarande: oh that bug |
| 02:10.56 | Amarande | Zorba, do you think they hotfixed the slime zapper bug and caused this bug instead? |
| 02:11.00 | Legorol | in the random 5-mans, the new NBG is the default, and it can't be changed |
| 02:11.01 | WobWork | Amarande: you have to be in combat for it to work |
| 02:11.02 | Jerub | what's NBG then? |
| 02:11.05 | WobWork | (I think) |
| 02:11.10 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, doubtful, they would have had about a window of one hour to do it for me |
| 02:11.11 | Jerub | oh, right. |
| 02:11.14 | Legorol | Jerub: NBG is short for Need Before Greed |
| 02:11.20 | ZorbaBeta | since I went from the slimes semi-directly to that quest |
| 02:11.24 | Jerub | Legorol: and why's that different to group loot? |
| 02:11.35 | Arrowmaster | guess its just group loot with some enforcement of who is allowed to need on what? |
| 02:11.45 | Dagmar | WobWork: We learned last night that the de roll is on even footing with a greed roll. Two people rolled greed just in case, one person rolled to de, the de'er won and *poof* instant shard |
| 02:11.48 | Arrowmaster | ive never seen it explained |
| 02:11.52 | WobWork | Dagmar: yeah |
| 02:11.57 | Arrowmaster | and it even existed back when greed was the only option |
| 02:12.01 | Dagmar | All three of us pretty much said "Well, we just screwed that pooch" |
| 02:12.04 | WobWork | Dagmar: but I'm talking about the setting for 'always roll greed' |
| 02:12.21 | WobWork | what if there isn't a DE option, like the orb |
| 02:12.23 | Amarande | Wob: hmm |
| 02:12.26 | Legorol | Jerub: the old NBG was the same as group loot, except players of the wrong armor class automatically passed |
| 02:12.31 | Amarande | I tried pulling 2 and using it on the first one after it died |
| 02:12.33 | Amarande | but that didn't work |
| 02:12.38 | Jerub | Legorol: oh, that's fail. |
| 02:12.40 | Legorol | yes it is |
| 02:12.44 | Legorol | that's why noone used it |
| 02:12.51 | Legorol | actually, historically, NBG came first |
| 02:12.53 | Dagmar | WobWork: Heck it looked like we were going to try to find out if Papa's New Bag was de-able last night |
| 02:12.56 | Legorol | group loot was added later |
| 02:13.00 | Legorol | as a superior alternative |
| 02:13.04 | Dagmar | Thankfully Vianca still had some 16-slotters in her bank |
| 02:13.05 | WobWork | Dagmar: hehe, everyone rolled need on that =) |
| 02:13.06 | Legorol | and NBG was left in for historical reasons |
| 02:13.23 | Dagmar | WobWork: We've _all_ got 20-slotters coming out of our ears |
| 02:13.27 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: it did? group loot was the default when i started playing around 1.5 |
| 02:13.36 | Dagmar | A few months ago we sort of had a communal push to get rid of all the hoarded materials |
| 02:13.37 | Legorol | the new NBG however has this functionality (much saner): you can only roll need on things that are for your armor class, otherwise you can only greed or pass |
| 02:13.50 | Dagmar | I didn't even knwo I had over 1,000 borean leather socked away in mail |
| 02:13.50 | WobWork | or DE? |
| 02:14.02 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: i believe group loot might have already been present by the time the game was launched, but i'm not sure on that |
| 02:14.02 | WobWork | Dagmar: Mail storage is a terrible thing |
| 02:14.08 | Dagmar | Something close to 4,000 bits of cloth between everyone's toons |
| 02:14.17 | Dagmar | So... we made lots nad LOTS of bags |
| 02:14.31 | Dagmar | Enough armor kits to build our own giant killer gimp bot |
| 02:14.45 | Jerub | you wasted leather on armor kits? |
| 02:14.51 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: if NBG still forced a pass even after they changed group loot from having just a roll button to having a need and a greed button then it really was fail |
| 02:14.52 | WobWork | Dagmar: reminds me of when I was helping a friend move out |
| 02:14.57 | WobWork | We vacuumed the place |
| 02:15.07 | WobWork | and ended up with enough catfur to build at least 2.5 more cats. |
| 02:15.10 | Dagmar | Jerub: it was either that or keep going with the weekly task of remailing (no joke) about 75-80 pieces of mail |
| 02:15.22 | Jerub | i want an addon that automatically hits 'de' if the ilvl is <174 |
| 02:15.34 | Dagmar | WobWork: Persian/Maine Coon mix? |
| 02:15.37 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: guessing they just forgot about it since forcing a pass sounds like the behavior from when there was only one roll option |
| 02:15.41 | Dagmar | They're like little sheep |
| 02:15.46 | WobWork | Dagmar: one shorthair, one longhair |
| 02:15.49 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 02:16.08 | WobWork | although the shorthair probably sheds more |
| 02:16.12 | WobWork | from sheer nervousness |
| 02:16.14 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Before 3.3, NBG only allowed you to roll on it if you could wear it, and do so right then and there. Now, it only allows you to roll if it's your base armor/weapon type regardless if you're high enough level |
| 02:16.20 | WobWork | she's slightly highly strung =P |
| 02:16.45 | Dagmar | One of my gf's had a persian/maine coon mix. Her mom cat-sat for two weeks while she went on vacation. When she came back, her mother had been brushing the cat and removed enough cat hair to fill a two gallon ziplock |
| 02:16.52 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, I've got four 24slot, four 22slot, and a pair of 20slot bags. I feel kind of weird passing on the new 20-slot bag but I just have no use for it whatsoever |
| 02:16.54 | Dagmar | We thought about having it made into a sweater |
| 02:17.00 | WobWork | for the cat? =) |
| 02:17.06 | Legorol | Torhal: there is a more important difference too. It now allows you to roll greed on the wrong armor types. The old NBG only let you pass |
| 02:17.12 | Dagmar | No, for a friend of ours who is allergic to cats |
| 02:17.13 | WobWork | ZorbaBeta: bank bags! |
| 02:17.17 | Dagmar | :) |
| 02:17.17 | Jerub | Dagmar: cat hair is generally too short to spin, even longhairs. |
| 02:17.21 | Torhal | Legorol: Ah, definitely improved then |
| 02:17.26 | WobWork | Jerub: I've seen a book |
| 02:17.31 | WobWork | "Knitting with dog hair" |
| 02:17.36 | Jerub | but i have a friend who turned her cathair into a small crotchet'd square. |
| 02:17.53 | Dagmar | Jerub: We had it spun and turned it into a toy for a dog |
| 02:18.10 | Jerub | Dagmar: win. |
| 02:18.18 | WobWork | You could have it as a blanket |
| 02:18.18 | ZorbaBeta | wob, I literally have all my bank slots filled up with 20slot or higher |
| 02:18.23 | WobWork | and give it away with any kitten |
| 02:18.33 | ZorbaBeta | I'm already carrying around three tiers of old gear because I have no better use for the space |
| 02:18.34 | WobWork | ZorbaBeta: um. Bank alts? =) |
| 02:18.38 | WobWork | oh wait soulbound |
| 02:18.38 | Dagmar | The dog seemed to think it was a kitten |
| 02:18.38 | ZorbaBeta | they're all BoP |
| 02:18.43 | ZorbaBeta | yup :P |
| 02:18.51 | Jerub | Dagmar: how long did it last? |
| 02:19.19 | Dagmar | Being that the dog is one of those weirdly super-friendly ones? He's probably still got it if the slobber hasn't dissolved it |
| 02:19.54 | Jerub | one of the things i did while trying to get away from computers while my carpal tunnel was really bad i learned to spin+knit |
| 02:19.54 | Dagmar | The thing literally became his binky. A full grown dog no less |
| 02:20.43 | Jerub | if the weather was colder i'd probably still do it. |
| 02:21.01 | Ginji | I've spun on dozens of chairs! |
| 02:21.05 | Dagmar | I'm glad my forearms are almost pure calcium |
| 02:21.13 | Jerub | lol. |
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| 02:21.49 | Ginji | Ginji out! Time for bed, 4 hours of sleep before life starts once more |
| 02:22.03 | Dagmar | I keep seeing secretary types with those braces on their wrists. |
| 02:22.13 | Dagmar | They don't want to know how many hours I spend a day typing |
| 02:22.14 | Jerub | With a knife, some fencing wire and a sheep i can make a jumper. ;) |
| 02:23.03 | Dagmar | Being that to computer techs and electricians a "jumper" doesn't require anything but the metal, you might want to be cautious about who you say that to |
| 02:23.18 | Dagmar | Took me a minute to figure out what you wanted the sheep for |
| 02:23.26 | Dagmar | I was *sure* my first guess was wrong |
| 02:25.00 | Legorol | The voice chat and the LFD eye minimap icons are overlapping in default UI. Anyone knows if there is a way (without addons) to move one or the other? |
| 02:25.29 | Jerub | it's easier if I have a wooden disk so i can make adrop spindle, but it's possible to spin without a flyweight |
| 02:26.38 | Dagmar | I just drive two counties over and look for old people at a crafts fair |
| 02:28.03 | Jerub | Dagmar: generally easier, but come the geriatric holocaust, you'll be the one with holes in your jumper. |
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| 02:28.22 | Dagmar | Nah. I can sew. I just can't spin. |
| 02:28.30 | Dagmar | I can even _tat_ |
| 02:28.37 | Jerub | oooh, nice. |
| 02:30.36 | cog|away | Shirik: this look like it has any merit to you? Looks like a steaming pile of woo to me... http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm |
| 02:31.09 | Shirik | is this a video? |
| 02:31.15 | cogwheel | no |
| 02:31.34 | cogwheel | wut u dun turst meh? |
| 02:31.38 | Dagmar | cogwheel: looks like a load of bullshit to me |
| 02:32.30 | cogwheel | Dagmar: agreed, but wanted to run it by the EE :P |
| 02:33.23 | Dagmar | I'm almost scared to mention it in #sparkfun |
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| 02:35.08 | Shirik | there is a theoretical basis for it working |
| 02:35.18 | Dagmar | Judging by what I'm seeing on the "reviews" written, there's a possiblity that this compound might have some hallucinogenic properties |
| 02:35.32 | Shirik | in my opinion, though, any actual change it would make is unnoticable if productive at all |
| 02:37.27 | Dagmar | I'm thinking that since he claims it's testable with a FFT analysis, if it weren't a complete load of crap he'd be showing some diagrams |
| 02:37.39 | Shirik | GD dcs |
| 02:37.41 | Shirik | (21:35:19) (@Shirik) in my opinion, though, any actual change it would make is unnoticable if productive at all |
| 02:37.42 | Shirik | (21:36:06) (@Shirik) A lot of what he says on that page is in fact true. What's missing is that it's basically just a dump of facts instead of a logical progression from problem to facts to solution |
| 02:37.42 | Shirik | (21:36:24) * Disconnected |
| 02:37.44 | Shirik | (21:36:27) (Shirik) which leads me to believe that it's a bunch of BS that he's trying to back up by saying something random that's true |
| 02:38.21 | Dagmar | Fallacy of unrelated facts |
| 02:38.23 | NightHawkTheSane | hilarious: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/12/9/dunes-ur-marsa/ |
| 02:39.23 | Dagmar | If I were Shipley I'd call that even if I were given an 8x10 blowup of that third frame. heh |
| 02:39.26 | Dagmar | That's awesome |
| 02:39.45 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe, wil shipley's pretty awesome in general |
| 02:40.42 | ZorbaBeta | yeah they never actually explain how the TUBE-O-LATOR is supposed to work |
| 02:41.13 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: ...and all the reviews are sketchy as f**k |
| 02:41.50 | Dagmar | I mean, by the description, I suppose it's equally possible that he's come into possession of some advanced alien nanites. |
| 02:42.22 | Shirik | ZorbaBeta: Actually, they explicitly state that they have no idea how it works |
| 02:42.23 | Shirik | which is, to be honest, quite awesome |
| 02:42.38 | cogwheel | http://www.facebook.com/pages/Telling-Sarah-Palin-Shes-Full-of-Crap/198553660818 |
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| 02:43.26 | ZorbaBeta | alright, I didn't see that, that's kind of neat |
| 02:43.38 | ZorbaBeta | however, I'd really like to see before-and-after waveforms or something |
| 02:43.45 | Dagmar | Shirik: 'cuz in a lot of places you can get sued for "false advertising" if you lie, but not if you just keep yer mouth shut |
| 02:44.01 | WobWork | cogwheel: only 200 members? |
| 02:44.11 | cogwheel | WobWork: it was founded ~15 mins ago |
| 02:44.14 | Shirik | There's a lot of stuff that makes sense about it, tbh |
| 02:44.21 | cogwheel | and had ~100 when i joined a couple mins ago |
| 02:44.31 | Dagmar | Yeah I think this group will grow fast |
| 02:44.39 | Shirik | but I am unwilling to believe that it could make much of a difference, if any |
| 02:45.29 | Dagmar | I'm tellin' ya, it's gotta be nanites |
| 02:46.15 | Shirik | is she seriously thinking about running in 2012? |
| 02:46.34 | Shirik | like I know, I know we voted bush in... twice... and all |
| 02:46.37 | Dagmar | If those black particles are actually a swarm of microscopic intelligent machines, they could totally mess with the chips and make them better. |
| 02:46.39 | Shirik | but she can't honestly think we're THAT stupid |
| 02:46.51 | Dagmar | They might even make an old black and white TV able to tune in ATSC with color |
| 02:47.22 | Dagmar | Shirik: You voted for Bush? |
| 02:47.34 | Shirik | fuck no |
| 02:47.50 | Shirik | "we" being the majority as decided by the electoral system |
| 02:48.02 | Dagmar | Heck, I'm not even willing to say "we" voted for him. I still think there was serious skullduggery involved in that |
| 02:48.09 | Shirik | heh |
| 02:48.13 | Dagmar | Stinks to high HEAVEN |
| 02:48.29 | Dagmar | That it stunk and that there was no investigation into things is even worse |
| 02:48.33 | Amarande | gah, looks like quest is a no go. |
| 02:48.46 | Amarande | hrm, how much xp is that quest worth ... |
| 02:49.09 | Amarande | guess another twenty or so dragonkin can die to make up for it :D |
| 02:50.12 | cogwheel | WobWork: 300 :) |
| 02:50.22 | WobWork | hehe |
| 02:50.30 | WobWork | cogwheel: You should totally graph the growth |
| 02:50.33 | WobWork | over time |
| 02:50.37 | cogwheel | no ty |
| 02:50.46 | Dagmar | Oh come on |
| 02:50.58 | Adys | some retarded-nonregex help needed here |
| 02:51.04 | Adys | I have a string "foo bar baz" |
| 02:51.12 | Dagmar | It would be total win to see a graph showing that the group shows little sign of slowed growth |
| 02:51.24 | Dagmar | strsub() |
| 02:51.25 | Adys | I want to get "foo" (without the space) as a variable, and transform the string into "bar baz" |
| 02:51.40 | Adys | whats the best way to do that? |
| 02:51.45 | WobWork | get the first space |
| 02:51.53 | WobWork | then substring it out |
| 02:52.14 | Adys | [04:51:45] <WobWork> get the first space <- how do I do that? |
| 02:52.20 | Adys | %W ? |
| 02:52.22 | WobWork | strfind? |
| 02:52.38 | WobWork | I can't remember the string function names now >< |
| 02:52.45 | Adys | lua> ("foo bar baz"):find(" ") |
| 02:52.47 | lua_bot | Adys: 4, 4 |
| 02:52.54 | Adys | lua> ("foo baar baz"):find(" ") |
| 02:52.56 | lua_bot | Adys: 4, 4 |
| 02:52.56 | ZorbaBeta | adys, local token, str = str:match("(%w+) (.*)") |
| 02:52.57 | ZorbaBeta | done |
| 02:53.17 | WobWork | I thought it was non-regex =) |
| 02:53.18 | ZorbaBeta | (technically creates a new local named str, you may or may not care) |
| 02:53.23 | Adys | WobWork: i meant fake regex |
| 02:53.27 | WobWork | ah |
| 02:53.32 | WobWork | points up |
| 02:53.46 | Dagmar | strfind takes plain strings |
| 02:53.47 | Adys | ZorbaBeta: thanks |
| 02:53.58 | ZorbaBeta | you may want .+ or [^ ]+ or something depending on your actual goals, but that's a good start at least |
| 02:54.10 | Adys | yeah no thats just about what i need |
| 02:54.21 | Dagmar | There's also strsplit |
| 02:54.27 | Yssaril | anyway to get a stacktrace without raising an error in lua? |
| 02:54.28 | Dagmar | I was hoping for some analog of strtotok |
| 02:54.46 | ZorbaBeta | yssaril, yes |
| 02:54.54 | Yssaril | ZorbaBeta: please tell |
| 02:54.55 | ZorbaBeta | though note that it's different in WoW |
| 02:55.01 | ZorbaBeta | do you want the lua or the wow answer? |
| 02:55.05 | Yssaril | wow |
| 02:55.07 | Adys | ZorbaBeta: also i dont think (.*) is valid |
| 02:55.13 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: what determines whether your nick is ZorbaBeta or ZorbaTheHut? |
| 02:55.14 | ZorbaBeta | I *think* it's debugstack |
| 02:55.22 | ZorbaBeta | adys, it is |
| 02:55.26 | ZorbaBeta | legorol, whether I've disconnected or not |
| 02:55.29 | WobWork | ZorbaTheGreek? |
| 02:55.37 | ZorbaTHut | it changes me to zorbabeta when zorbathut is taken, then never changes me back |
| 02:55.40 | Legorol | so Beta is just your alternate nick? |
| 02:55.46 | Legorol | gotcha |
| 02:55.59 | Adys | he had beta during wlk beta |
| 02:56.22 | ZorbaTHut | adys, complete coincidence, actually |
| 02:56.33 | Adys | NO ITS NOT |
| 02:56.33 | ZorbaTHut | I keep meaning to rig up a way to auto-change-back but well I haven't |
| 02:56.34 | Adys | SHUT UP |
| 02:57.04 | Adys | darkmoon faire = awesome |
| 02:57.24 | Dagmar | They changed it in some way they felt would be left as a suprise? |
| 02:57.27 | cogwheel | 400 |
| 02:57.45 | Dagmar | s/would/should/; |
| 02:57.55 | Adys | eh?N |
| 02:58.04 | Shirik | msg *status listmods |
| 02:59.53 | Adys | Shirik: I love you for using znc |
| 03:01.16 | Shirik | lies you hate me |
| 03:01.22 | Adys | i do but still |
| 03:06.51 | cogwheel | 500 |
| 03:09.13 | Legorol | cogwheel: ? |
| 03:09.41 | Dagmar | 514 actually now |
| 03:09.49 | Dagmar | That Sarah Palin Facebook thing |
| 03:09.53 | cogwheel | 18:42 < cogwheel> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Telling-Sarah-Palin-Shes-Full-of-Crap/198553660818 |
| 03:09.57 | Dagmar | It's definitely growing quickly |
| 03:10.13 | Dagmar | I wonder if it'll wind up on CNN |
| 03:10.13 | cogwheel | (et seq) |
| 03:11.17 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:11.25 | Amarande | can we use the hot air from Sarah Palin's mouth to solve the energy crisis? |
| 03:11.59 | Seerah | maybe that's the cause of global warming... ;) |
| 03:12.47 | Dagmar | If she's elected I'm moving to effing Canada |
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| 03:14.04 | airtonix | progress so far : 3,877 |
| 03:14.12 | airtonix | need more things to complain about |
| 03:14.30 | Yssaril | just had something wierd happening wow started detecting my keystrokes as if they came from a german keyboard (tabbing back to windows and opening notepad it was US like normal tabbed back to wow back to german) |
| 03:14.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: given that as *vice* presidental candidate she pretty much ruined the Republican ticket for voters |
| 03:15.05 | Amarande | I'd say that's likely to be an epic fail campaign anyway. |
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| 03:15.16 | Amarande | Obama would probably win reelection by a Nixonian margin then |
| 03:15.21 | Dagmar | Amarande: That doesn't actually matter as much as it should |
| 03:15.34 | Dagmar | If it did, McCain would have lost by a lot more than he did |
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| 03:15.57 | Amarande | fwiw, I voted for McCain, but I was trying to ignore the existence of Palin on the ticket |
| 03:15.59 | Dagmar | ...and there's still that whole issue of tampering with votes. |
| 03:16.09 | Dagmar | I swear I think the British are the only people who can do that correctly anymore |
| 03:16.17 | Amarande | I was concerned in particular about the ramifications of letting a single party control everything again |
| 03:16.28 | Amarande | especially seeing as the last time that happened, we got artifact fail |
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| 03:17.34 | Shirik | Dagmar: Tamper with votes correctly? |
| 03:17.50 | devZero | does anyone know if there was any significant changes to QUEST_COMPLETE? |
| 03:17.54 | devZero | I'm having a troubling issue w/ my addon where I go to turn in a completed quest, and the quest text/reward is either gone, or partially showing. Then I do a /reload try again, and everything is fine. |
| 03:17.57 | Amarande | So is the entire notion of Attack Power as a stat going away in Cata, or is it just being removed from itemization? |
| 03:18.05 | devZero | if I disable my addon, the issue doesn't occur, and I've narrowed it down to my QUEST_COMPLETE event, but I can't see any code that would cause the issue. |
| 03:18.12 | devZero | also, no errors are being caught either by my own debug code, or the lua error display in the client. |
| 03:18.28 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I suspect it's just being removed from itemization |
| 03:18.39 | Legorol | This Sarah Palin, what is she running for now? |
| 03:19.04 | ZorbaTHut | AP/Crit are probably still going to exist as things that are modified by str/agi at various levels. |
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| 03:19.49 | Gnarfoz | all the talk at BlizzCon about Cataclysm stats that are going away was part of the... itemization panel |
| 03:20.24 | devZero | here's an example, of what I'm talking about if it will help http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1481743/quest.png |
| 03:20.24 | Gnarfoz | so... default to 'no' when asking those questions |
| 03:20.24 | Gnarfoz | or "just as a stat on items", if that feels better |
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| 03:20.24 | Dagmar | 630 fans |
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| 03:20.48 | Dagmar | There's gonna be 10,000 people in that group by Monday or Tuesday |
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| 03:20.58 | Shirik | Cairenn1 |
| 03:21.00 | Shirik | why did you break the server |
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| 03:23.17 | devZero | *facepalm* |
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| 03:24.03 | airtonix | sweet another thing to complain about ... <notes it down in the orange book> |
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| 03:26.15 | tem | HUMM |
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| 03:28.47 | Thunder_Child_ | ~lart Shirik |
| 03:28.47 | purl | cats /dev/urandom into Shirik's ear |
| 03:28.56 | Shirik | wtf did I do |
| 03:30.56 | cogwheel | 'bout to break 700 |
| 03:31.24 | cogwheel | seems to be slowing down a bit, but it's also getting late in some high population areas... |
| 03:33.08 | Thunder_Child_ | Shirik: guess |
| 03:33.33 | Dagmar | It's already 10:30pm on the East Coast |
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| 03:37.10 | airtonix | awesome i got stalker: call of pripyat working under wine ! |
| 03:37.41 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:37.54 | Amarande | anyone think at this point they should just remove the duration and instance-ness of the legendary items from the Kael'thas battle in TK? |
| 03:38.19 | Amarande | looks like they're outclassed even by heroic loot in WotLK anyway |
| 03:39.28 | Hjalte | Why would they do that? It's old content and part of that fight. |
| 03:40.39 | Amarande | you know, actually, the fact that that stuff is obsolete now means that Kael basically has no time limit at 80 and might even become the next Ony in terms of stupidly-easyness by Cata ... |
| 03:40.54 | Amarande | the only time limit I remember there being there was that eventually you'd lose the items and be doomed |
| 03:41.13 | Amarande | (not in the least, I imagine, because you would be in combat and unable to equip replacement gear when they went poof heh) |
| 03:41.35 | Jerub | uh, ony isn't stupid easy. |
| 03:41.42 | Jerub | unless you mean pre-3.2.2 ony |
| 03:41.45 | Arrowmaster | you can always swap weapons in combat |
| 03:42.06 | Arrowmaster | and some of those items have effects you cant get elsewhere |
| 03:42.16 | Arrowmaster | like the stun immunity |
| 03:42.28 | Jerub | what time is it in americacacaca? |
| 03:42.41 | Arrowmaster | 10:42pm eastern |
| 03:43.20 | Jerub | ah, right, so the chance of a blue post is near zero |
| 03:43.23 | Jerub | has to remember this stuff |
| 03:43.28 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah, I meant earlier Ony |
| 03:43.35 | Arrowmaster | blues are in pacific |
| 03:43.41 | Amarande | I'm thinking someday Kael will go down that path of patheticity |
| 03:43.45 | Jerub | i have two stacks of onyixan scales in my bank from level80 ony |
| 03:44.04 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: but eastern and pacicic are basicaly the same timezone. |
| 03:44.13 | Arrowmaster | no they arent |
| 03:44.18 | Arrowmaster | 3 hour difference |
| 03:44.57 | Arrowmaster | and people were pugging kael during sunwell timeframe |
| 03:45.09 | Arrowmaster | late sunwell |
| 03:45.38 | Arrowmaster | that was when they made it so you could skip all the bosses and go directly to him i think |
| 03:46.08 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: how do I match a string for any number? |
| 03:46.15 | Adys | check if it has a number inside it |
| 03:47.02 | Arrowmaster | string.match(str, "%d+") |
| 03:47.14 | Adys | ah %d |
| 03:47.17 | Arrowmaster | only matchs positive ints |
| 03:49.41 | ZorbaTHut | I personally think they should be rigging up legendaries to act kind of like heirlooms, based on your average item level. they should last for more than one tier. |
| 03:50.29 | Dagmar | $item has existed for centuries in it's current form, but you're SO special that your mere possession of it for a short time has increased it's power measurably |
| 03:51.03 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, we've already got that, it's called "heirlooms" |
| 03:51.12 | ZorbaTHut | anyway, since when does realism have anything to do with game balance? :P |
| 03:51.26 | ZorbaTHut | let me make this perfectly clear |
| 03:51.43 | ZorbaTHut | today, I turned into a tree, and magically knitted the wounds of my friend who was busy punching a dragon to death. |
| 03:51.49 | Dagmar | No one's making up fancy backstory about heirlooms |
| 03:51.59 | ZorbaTHut | *the looking glass is lying in shards miles behind us* |
| 03:52.06 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:52.30 | WobWork | The Dragon's death cry <flash>ECHOS</flash> through the land!!! |
| 03:52.32 | Amarande | you know you're overgeared on a leveling hunter when you find it convenient to stay in viper most of the time when soloing for basically unlimited mana and *don't* feel overly weak. |
| 03:53.42 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, anyway, it's pretty easy to rationalize. legendaries are "legendary" because they've gained a certain measure of internal enchantment, and the item itself grows with your strength and power. |
| 03:54.07 | ZorbaTHut | alternatively, legendaries are so powerful that you cannot properly wield them without far more skill than most mortals. as you progress and learn, the item becomes proportionally more powerful. |
| 03:54.17 | Amarande | the other fun thing about sticking to viper is that you don't normally pull aggro from your pet |
| 03:54.18 | ZorbaTHut | alternatively, a wizard did it. there was a wizard. he cast a spell. a wizard did it. |
| 03:54.32 | Amarande | while I tend to pull aggro within seconds even from Gustav if a mob lives too long. |
| 03:55.30 | Arrowmaster | when i was leveling my hunter i just stayed in the AP aspect all the time |
| 03:55.54 | Amarande | Arrow: I used to do that |
| 03:56.02 | Amarande | but I'd keep having to switch to Viper every 2-3 mobs anyway because I'd oom |
| 03:56.09 | Arrowmaster | but then again that hunter did get twinked up some and i was marksmanspec |
| 03:56.19 | Arrowmaster | so i was 2shotting everything |
| 03:58.02 | Amarande | yay, random dungeon popped |
| 03:58.07 | Amarande | wonder which it is |
| 03:58.20 | Amarande | Ulda |
| 03:58.35 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i like magic. |
| 03:59.10 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: oh, and btw elspeth ^^ is my wife who has been hanging out for /qh incomplete for ages |
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| 04:00.42 | Shirik | tackles Iriel |
| 04:00.58 | Iriel | flees from shirik |
| 04:01.12 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:04.31 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, I've been wanting to make it for ages, but it's always been very problematical |
| 04:04.35 | ZorbaTHut | the blizzard support is quite nice |
| 04:05.41 | Thunder_Child_ | see Shirik, stuff like that |
| 04:05.50 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:05.54 | Shirik | why do you hate me Thunder_Child_ |
| 04:05.58 | Shirik | I am so nice to you |
| 04:08.48 | Iriel | Remember when you were very young and you liked a girl and you pulled her hair? |
| 04:08.56 | Iriel | It's nothing like that. |
| 04:09.25 | Thunder_Child_ | Shirik: i dont hate you, you do it to yourself |
| 04:11.48 | Thrae | I bought myself a MMO mouse. Actually I've always wanted something like this -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826153054. Numpad on the side! |
| 04:12.16 | Thrae | I tried duct-taping a numpad to a mouse but I couldn't find a small enough numpad. This also replaces this cheap generic optical mouse. |
| 04:14.46 | WobWork | probably a good thing that the Random dungeon tool doesn't show what dungeon you're trying for |
| 04:14.49 | Iriel | Did you receive it yet? Or simply order it? |
| 04:14.54 | WobWork | or noone'd accept =P |
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| 04:15.12 | Thrae | Iriel: I'll receive it by Friday at the latest. But it gets decent reviews. |
| 04:15.36 | Thrae | This mouse I have now already has 5 buttons and I've always wanted more, much more. |
| 04:20.01 | cogwheel | i could see myself tanking mostly one-handed with that thing... |
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| 04:26.15 | Jerub | puts on his headphones so he can't hear salespeople lying |
| 04:27.40 | cogwheel | 1000 |
| 04:28.23 | Jerub | it's possible to bear tank one handed with a normal 5 button mouse :) |
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| 04:31.14 | cogwheel | 2^10 ;) |
| 04:31.33 | Jerub | cogwheel: -24 |
| 04:32.46 | ZorbaTHut | wob, I got a group for Oculus. two people dropped immediately |
| 04:32.50 | ZorbaTHut | it was pretty funny. |
| 04:33.02 | NightHawkTheSane | people are dumb |
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| 04:34.14 | Brian_S | =O |
| 04:34.21 | Brian_S | wait what |
| 04:35.35 | Brian_S | There's no pastebin... |
| 04:35.50 | cogwheel | ? |
| 04:36.08 | Funkeh` | Dolby, changing pages on addon comments seems broken, I can't change off page one |
| 04:36.18 | Shirik | Funkeh`: Which page? |
| 04:36.24 | Shirik | ~pastey |
| 04:36.25 | purl | pastey is probably the place we like to have errors, diffs, and any large chunks of text sent. Look at the topic of the channel you're in to see if they have a specific pastey.net they like to use, otherwise, you can use whatever you want -- yournick.pastey.net, flood.pastey.net, or just pastey.net. Go to one of these URLs, insert the text, press the 'Paste' button, and copy & paste the resulting URL in the channel you were about |
| 04:36.31 | Shirik | Brian_S ^ |
| 04:36.48 | Brian_S | I meant pastey :P |
| 04:36.53 | WobWork | Oculus is easy now |
| 04:36.55 | Funkeh` | Shirik, any page |
| 04:36.57 | Brian_S | It's technically a form of a pastebin |
| 04:37.12 | Funkeh` | goto addon comments click page 2 or 3, nada back to page 1 |
| 04:37.20 | Dagmar | Occulus has always been easy |
| 04:37.24 | Dagmar | It's just bloody confusing in there |
| 04:38.13 | Duman | unf |
| 04:38.34 | cogwheel | Brian_S: needs a space imo |
| 04:38.35 | cogwheel | :P |
| 04:41.04 | devZero | gah! this is driving me nuts |
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| 04:43.07 | Shirik | Funkeh`: The comments? |
| 04:44.33 | Shirik | I cannot reproduce your problem |
| 04:45.12 | Funkeh` | Shirik, I can reproduce it on 3 browsers |
| 04:45.14 | Funkeh` | so try harder |
| 04:46.11 | Funkeh` | Shirik, log out |
| 04:47.09 | WobWork | I can reproduce it on FF |
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| 04:47.52 | Dolby | works for me Funkeh` are you logged in? |
| 04:48.12 | Funkeh` | it works fine when you are logged in |
| 04:48.13 | devZero | would someone mind taking a look at this code? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/130072 |
| 04:48.16 | Funkeh` | hence why i said, log out |
| 04:48.26 | Dolby | i dont read that far |
| 04:48.39 | devZero | I've put a description of the problem in the pastey |
| 04:48.43 | Dolby | yeah i have some major caching going on atm |
| 04:48.47 | Dolby | to keep the server alive |
| 04:49.05 | Dolby | thats prob it. will fix in a little bit |
| 04:49.22 | Iriel | devZero: do any of those methods actually change the API quest state by selecting different quests? |
| 04:50.03 | devZero | Iriel: not as far as I'm aware, though I'm not the original author. |
| 04:50.24 | Iriel | devZero: Is the problem that the blizzard UI gets messed up, or that this code saves incomplete text? |
| 04:50.45 | devZero | from what I can tell, all it's doing is gathering a list of quetsts in the quest log, and comparing them to the info in the quest completion "dialog" window. |
| 04:50.54 | devZero | Iriel: the ui get's messed up |
| 04:50.58 | devZero | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1481743/quest.png |
| 04:51.03 | devZero | that's a screenshot of the problem |
| 04:51.23 | Dolby | ok Funkeh` should work now if your logged out |
| 04:51.54 | Iriel | I know I used to have problems with the ItemText API's if I called next/previous page too quickly after the previous page started to display, I ended up having to insert some delays, I doubt that would be the issue here unless it's accidently hitting a 'stateful' method somewhere |
| 04:52.52 | devZero | Thott's code makes me want to die inside... |
| 04:53.23 | Iriel | Yeah |
| 04:53.49 | devZero | I've tried to rewrite it a few times, but I keep getting myself lost. |
| 04:54.21 | NightHawkTheSane | this is awesome: http://www.chromoscope.net/ |
| 04:54.21 | Funkeh` | Dolby, thanks, any word on adding the more button back or is that more complex |
| 04:57.57 | devZero | Iriel: The worst part about this, is that the first time you try to turn in the quest the text is incomplete / missing... If you /reload, and try again, the text is there, and everything is working |
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| 05:08.02 | Amarande | ooh, awesome blue for the level from the satchel of helpful goods |
| 05:08.53 | Amarande | <3 3.3. |
| 05:09.07 | Amarande | you know, if there's one thing to bitch about about 3.3 |
| 05:09.09 | Amarande | it's more of a |
| 05:09.14 | Amarande | WHY WEREN'T THESE IN WOW FROM THE BEGINNING?! |
| 05:09.16 | Amarande | kinda thing. :) |
| 05:09.26 | airtonix | NightHawkTheSane, slightly ontopic... is it hydrogen that the bussard ramscoops collect on the enterprise? |
| 05:09.38 | Amarande | well, and that there's one glitch that apparently was missed on PTR |
| 05:09.49 | Amarande | the Gni'kiv Medallion and Shaft of Tsol really should be x-realm tradable |
| 05:10.00 | Amarande | we had to skip Ironaya because we got stuck not being able to trade them |
| 05:10.04 | airtonix | NightHawkTheSane, i read somewhere that hydrogen is fairly rare on earth |
| 05:10.31 | Thunder_Child_ | i dunno Amarande why didnt we start with Plasma tv's instead of old vacume tubes |
| 05:10.44 | Amarande | airtonix: that would be wrong |
| 05:10.53 | Amarande | hydrogen is the tenth most common element in Earth's crust |
| 05:11.00 | WobWork | maybe 'free' hydrogen |
| 05:11.20 | Amarande | T_C: actually, the plasma TV was invented a long, long time before it saw common consumer use |
| 05:11.27 | Amarande | it's actually almost as old as TV if I remember Wikipedia |
| 05:12.03 | airtonix | but the bussard scoops on the enterprise are for collecting up hydrogen right? |
| 05:12.21 | WobWork | well.. the enterprise isn't exactly on earth... |
| 05:12.34 | Thunder_Child_ | s/plasma/lcd/ |
| 05:12.35 | DWSR | If you complete Forge of Souls on regular, can you do Pit of Sauron on heroic? |
| 05:12.41 | DWSR | Or do you need to go back and complete Forge of Souls on heroic? |
| 05:13.04 | Amarande | DWSR: Pretty sure it works like Durnholde and BM did, so you can probably go straight to heroic |
| 05:13.15 | Thunder_Child_ | Amarande: i didnt say invent |
| 05:13.52 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: That IS awesome o_0 |
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| 05:16.08 | Amarande | another interesting fact about elements: copper is generally regarded as a "noble" metal while lead is a "base" metal |
| 05:16.16 | Amarande | and yet, copper is actually several times more common than lead on Earth |
| 05:17.53 | WobWork | isn't nobility due to reactivity? |
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| 05:22.29 | batrick | must ... win ... grunty pet |
| 05:22.40 | Amarande | Wob: nowadays. |
| 05:22.47 | Amarande | however, it also had to do with preciousness |
| 05:22.56 | Amarande | and copper somehow was many times more precious than lead heh |
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| 05:23.34 | Antiarc | "Noble metals are metals that are resistant to corrosion and oxidation in moist air" |
| 05:23.38 | Antiarc | Noble doesn't refer to rarity |
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| 05:24.25 | Antiarc | It also has to do with the atom's electron structure |
| 05:24.35 | Antiarc | "In chemistry and physics, the definition of a noble metal is even more strict. It is required that the d-bands of the electronic structure are filled. Taking this into account, only copper, silver and gold are noble metals, as all d-like band are filled and don't cross the Fermi level." |
| 05:25.32 | cogwheel | W. T. F. http://www.videosift.com/video/The-most-awkward-chair-commercial-ever (Maaaaaybe NSFW) |
| 05:29.04 | WobWork | it... actually looks like it could be comfortable |
| 05:29.19 | cogwheel | yeah. it does. but......... |
| 05:29.21 | WobWork | however the suggestion to go commando probably results in suboptimal office work |
| 05:30.31 | Amarande | Antiarc: wouldn't palladium be a noble metal as well? |
| 05:30.37 | batrick | "try without underwear, that is most comfortable" loooooooooool |
| 05:30.42 | Amarande | because it has that weird 2/8/18/18 anomaly configuration? |
| 05:31.01 | Dagmar | It's a naughty, naughty metal |
| 05:31.15 | Amarande | (chemistry trivia: palladium is the only element which, in the ground state, contains no electrons in the shell corresponding to its period) |
| 05:32.42 | Dagmar | It also had a minor role in Primer. |
| 05:33.02 | Dagmar | No wait, it had a cameo in that film. |
| 05:33.41 | Dagmar | I'm just going to assume anyone geeky enough to care about the inner life of a metal will either have already seen it, or will like it when they do see it. |
| 05:34.53 | Amarande | so, looks like it's still Jaraxxus or Auriaya when I hit 80, and that 3.3 hasn't really changed that |
| 05:35.01 | Amarande | they did add a 264 bow, but it's apparently from a boss that's not accessible yet |
| 05:35.22 | Amarande | hmm, wonder how I can arrange with raids to make sure I get the bow if it drops |
| 05:35.34 | Amarande | Hmm. Gold. Lots of gold. |
| 05:35.56 | Amarande | Can master looted items be traded in the 2 hour window like regular group looted ones? |
| 05:36.00 | Dagmar | You're not really trying. |
| 05:36.13 | Antiarc | yes, Amarande |
| 05:36.17 | Amarande | ah, good. |
| 05:36.24 | Amarande | I'll just have to make sure to accumulate tons of gold on the way up to 80 |
| 05:36.24 | Dagmar | If you _really_ wanted that bow, you wouldn't rule out "freak accidents" keeping the other hunters in your guild from attending. |
| 05:36.43 | Amarande | which will probably be easy, since with 150% normal flyers I guess I don't really need epic flying for a long while |
| 05:36.58 | Amarande | then offer a few thousand to the roll winner if someone gets it instead of me. :) |
| 05:37.04 | Dagmar | Amarande: You will probably wonder what all the fuss is about other than the still fairly non-trivial 5,000 gold |
| 05:37.23 | Amarande | well, I suppose there's the matter that once you have a character with epic flying, regular flying is likely to feel slow |
| 05:37.48 | Dagmar | Meh. My DK has a "/party Ready for a summon!" macro |
| 05:38.03 | Amarande | Dagmar: and you call some folks lazy ;) |
| 05:38.23 | Dagmar | I'll make him an epic carpet or something when I get around to it |
| 05:38.41 | Arrowmaster | you have a DK tailor? |
| 05:38.42 | Amarande | of course, by this time, I'm also wondering just how many people doing Ulduar PUGs don't already have a 232 weapon anyway |
| 05:38.43 | Dagmar | I'm not "lazy" about it, I'm just too busy buying other things |
| 05:38.56 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Yes. The why should be easily guessed. |
| 05:39.07 | Dagmar | Enchanting + Tailoring == STUPIDLY easy money |
| 05:39.09 | Amarande | heh, who knows what professions I'll put on a DK when I make a full-time one |
| 05:39.28 | Dagmar | It's not vast amounts of money or anything, but enough easily reliable income to pay for everything up to 80 |
| 05:39.34 | Amarande | I already have all crafting professions on characters except for Inscription, which my currently level 1 Rogue will pick up in time. |
| 05:39.51 | Amarande | Probably end up going Mining/Skinning for the crit and HP boosts |
| 05:40.00 | Amarande | oh, and money. |
| 05:40.10 | Dagmar | Enchating I'll keep. Tailoring will probably be ditched soon in favor of maybe Blacksmithing, Engineering, or perhaps Archaeology |
| 05:40.21 | Amarande | Dagmar: I thought Archaeology was a secondary skill? |
| 05:40.44 | Dagmar | Bleh. That means every tom dick and harriet will have it |
| 05:40.55 | Dagmar | I assumed it was going to be a primary profession |
| 05:41.10 | Amarande | Dagmar: that's probably intentional |
| 05:41.21 | Amarande | presumably they're going to design questing or such in cata around it |
| 05:41.43 | Amarande | I'm still wondering that bit about Attack Power. |
| 05:41.46 | Dagmar | Here's to hoping it doesn't turn out to be Puzzle Pirates style minigames. Heh |
| 05:41.58 | Amarande | Like, whether it's just being removed *from items* or whether it's going to be calculated entirely differently. |
| 05:42.09 | Dagmar | Amarande: Blizz has gone this long without completely screwing everything up, I think I'll trust them a bit longer |
| 05:42.18 | Amarande | Also, whether, e.g., Strength is going to give ZERO damage boost to rogues now. |
| 05:42.24 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, that's arguable :D |
| 05:42.50 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I'm still betting they'll keep the previous mechanics, wher str converts to AP at varying rates based on your class |
| 05:42.53 | Dagmar | While EQ showed signs of some yahoo walking the database and manually changing stats to whatever struck their whim at the moment, Blizzard seems to be taking a more spreadsheet-oriented approach |
| 05:43.20 | Amarande | also wonder if they're going to leave in the existing spellpower gems and enchants and just remove it from base items, or if we'll have a mass gem and enchant overhaul |
| 05:43.21 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: There's people on the forums who would argue with rocks if they thought it would get them extra loot |
| 05:43.39 | Amarande | not to mention AP gems and enchants |
| 05:43.58 | Amarande | gems I suppose won't be so much of an issue since I presume cata gems will make current gems obsolete again anyway |
| 05:44.05 | Amarande | so I suppose if you want inferior gems, be their guest heh |
| 05:44.19 | Dagmar | I kind of get the impression that they're looking to simplify the theorycrafting end of things to get rid of those painfully ugly piecewise functions |
| 05:44.28 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those items actually went away entirely |
| 05:44.37 | ZorbaTHut | replaced with grays or other, equivalent gems, perhaps |
| 05:44.41 | Dagmar | I don't mind doing some math to play a game, but I probably shouldn't have to pull out stuff from my third year of college to do it |
| 05:44.48 | ZorbaTHut | sp/mp5 -> int/spi |
| 05:45.01 | Amarande | Zorba: if they do grays, I hope they make the gray replacement gems still count as their colors |
| 05:45.10 | Amarande | so people don't suddenly QQ "WHY IS MY META SUDDENLY NOT WORKING" |
| 05:45.43 | Amarande | sp -> int is the only problematic one for gems |
| 05:45.51 | Amarande | because of the color difference |
| 05:46.02 | Amarande | MP5 and Spirit are both blue IIRC, and AP and both stats that give it are all red |
| 05:46.06 | Amarande | SP is red though, while int yellow |
| 05:46.10 | ZorbaTHut | I'm honestly expecting them to reitemize every item in the game, possibly going so far as to change item levels. |
| 05:46.21 | Amarande | o.0 |
| 05:46.24 | Amarande | that turned out badly before |
| 05:46.28 | Amarande | Zorba: remember that one item |
| 05:46.49 | Amarande | I can't remember off the top of my head ... but it was really good for its level, and then a lot of players logged on very confused when their weapon stopped working because the level requirement had been moved UP, causing it to be redded out |
| 05:47.03 | ZorbaTHut | no, I don't mean necessarily change level requirements |
| 05:47.11 | ZorbaTHut | if anything I'd suspect that would be the one thing that stayed the same |
| 05:47.20 | Amarande | yeah, that's probably a bad idea to change |
| 05:47.25 | Amarande | viz. the above weapon fiasco |
| 05:47.32 | ZorbaTHut | but they might decide that everything up through Wrath is now ilvl1-100, flattening the equipment curve and all |
| 05:47.49 | Amarande | for the gems I just hope they find a solution that doesn't leave people scratching their heads at now non-working equipment |
| 05:47.56 | ZorbaTHut | with the changes they're making to items, they're probably reitemizing everything. if they're reitemizing everything, why preserve the huge BC power jump? |
| 05:48.10 | ZorbaTHut | as well as the smaller but still significant one in Wrath? |
| 05:48.10 | Dagmar | 'cuz there's some people who didn't buy Wrath |
| 05:48.11 | Amarande | enchants can probably just be changed to equivalent stats again, like they did with spellpower, since they have no color coding |
| 05:48.21 | Dagmar | ...and some people who didn't buy BC either. |
| 05:48.32 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, I don't see how that applies at all |
| 05:48.37 | Jerub | I didn't buy wrath until elspeth was level 70. |
| 05:48.54 | Jerub | I stayed around and did level 70 daileis and fought for halaa |
| 05:48.55 | Dagmar | If their position on the statistics slope changed significantly there would be actually somewhat warranted fussing about it |
| 05:49.04 | Amarande | although legacy AP enchants might have to be left as is, because trying to make a fixed decision as to making them Str or Agi is probably too hard to do |
| 05:49.15 | ZorbaTHut | why? level 65 gear is still level 65 gear |
| 05:49.23 | Amarande | and yeah, removing the BC power jump is DEFINITELY a very good idea |
| 05:49.27 | ZorbaTHut | it's just no longer three times better than level 55 gear |
| 05:49.31 | Amarande | it would get some more action going again in Strat and my beloved Scholomance |
| 05:49.51 | Amarande | because the gear would be good for a while in the 60s, like BC upper end gear was good for a while in WotLK |
| 05:49.55 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, str on plate classes, agi on nonplate classes :D |
| 05:50.04 | Amarande | Zorba: and what about enchanted items that aren't equipped? |
| 05:50.10 | ZorbaTHut | they're still owned by someone |
| 05:50.13 | ZorbaTHut | base it on who they're owned by |
| 05:50.23 | Amarande | not to mention, how would they decide how *the enchant itself* converts on the Enchanters who have it? |
| 05:50.31 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: are you talking about that palidin quest reward sword? |
| 05:50.37 | ZorbaTHut | if you had one trained, you now have both trained. Yay. |
| 05:50.39 | Amarande | Arrow: I can't remember |
| 05:50.44 | ZorbaTHut | Or hell maybe you don't and you need to go visit a trainer, oh no, catastrophe. |
| 05:50.45 | Amarande | it had a level requirement, so it couldn't have been a quest reward |
| 05:50.59 | Arrowmaster | it didnt have a level requirement but they added one |
| 05:51.19 | ZorbaTHut | oh, I remember that one now |
| 05:51.22 | ZorbaTHut | they forgot the BoP flag |
| 05:51.31 | ZorbaTHut | and it didn't have a level req because it was a quest reward |
| 05:51.33 | Arrowmaster | but nobody would be scratching their heads about that one because anybody that had it and was below the level requirement knew damn well why they shouldnt of had it |
| 05:51.54 | batrick | Item IDs are the same across locales right? |
| 05:52.00 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, eh, purchased off AH |
| 05:52.04 | ZorbaTHut | batrick, yep |
| 05:52.08 | Arrowmaster | lvl 19 twinks running around with a lvl 54 sword |
| 05:52.10 | batrick | great thanks |
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| 05:57.05 | Amarande | Yeah, the one I was thinking of was a WotLK item |
| 05:57.13 | Amarande | it was moved from like 72 to 78 or something like that and I can't remember now which one it was |
| 05:57.42 | Amarande | which would indeed lead to a lot of people initially "woot, this is sweet for 72 baby" |
| 05:57.49 | Amarande | and then later "wtf, why is it red out and saying 78?" |
| 05:59.33 | Dagmar | "Because it makes the non-twinks laugh and laugh and LAUGH!" |
| 06:05.38 | Amarande | I'm still surprised they haven't decided to enforce a required level of 35 on BC enchants on quest reward and Engineering gear |
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| 06:13.59 | ccox | if you play WoW on a Macintosh, read: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19378788452&postId=217219285473&sid=1#126 |
| 06:14.31 | Jerub | oh, only on modern macs. |
| 06:14.34 | Jerub | plays on a g5 |
| 06:16.16 | ccox | Jerub - your performance isn't sucking with 3.3? |
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| 06:19.55 | Jerub | wow |
| 06:19.56 | Jerub | QQ |
| 06:19.57 | Jerub | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21730642994&sid=1 |
| 06:20.01 | Jerub | ccox: not at all. |
| 06:20.11 | ccox | Jerub - hmm |
| 06:20.12 | Jerub | ccox: I'm on a real mac, powerpc with nvidia card. |
| 06:21.14 | ccox | ok, I'll try that as well, to see if the problem really is isolated to Intel builds |
| 06:21.39 | Jerub | i had terrible problems after 3.2 |
| 06:21.44 | Jerub | but they fixed those |
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| 06:39.22 | Amarande | QH FTW. |
| 06:40.12 | Amarande | hmm, looks like cartographer's going to have to go, though |
| 06:40.15 | Shirik | ..... |
| 06:40.18 | Shirik | Can I fail students for stupidity? |
| 06:40.25 | Amarande | it does display the map, but the coordinates are wrong |
| 06:40.32 | Amarande | and the hereoglyph is in the wrong place |
| 06:40.58 | Shirik | I ask a simple question. I show them a bunch of electrical diagram symbols and they tell me what the component is |
| 06:41.02 | Shirik | One of them is a resistor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistor |
| 06:41.02 | Amarande | but worst of all, apparently cartographer can get you killed |
| 06:41.04 | Shirik | He gets that one right |
| 06:41.10 | Amarande | Shirik: obviously their Engineering skill is insufficient :) |
| 06:41.15 | Shirik | One is a potentiometer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potentiometer |
| 06:41.21 | Shirik | He says "Resistor with an arrow pointing to it" |
| 06:43.41 | Amarande | um ... okay, now I am officially an OP character |
| 06:43.45 | Amarande | I just did a 45G2 quest at 41 |
| 06:45.03 | Amarande | then again, I kinda did have a group of 3, of sorts heh |
| 06:45.38 | Amarande | between my pet and having used a Mithril Mechanical Dragonling |
| 06:46.20 | Duman | shirik: LOL |
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| 06:56.18 | Sixen | ~ping duman ! |
| 06:56.19 | purl | pong duman ! |
| 06:58.28 | Sixen | ohjwell. |
| 06:58.39 | Sixen | Finals in the morning. /sleep. |
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| 07:00.57 | devZero | is there a way to filter eventtrace, like there used to be when it was in it's own addon? |
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| 07:03.10 | Duman | yo sixen |
| 07:03.13 | Duman | oh damn, missed him |
| 07:03.45 | Amarande | hrm |
| 07:03.50 | Amarande | Tanaris or Feralas first, at 41 ... |
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| 07:08.07 | Xuerian | So I want a simple addon to manage my totem sets... Any suggestions? |
| 07:08.50 | Cairenn | pokes Xuerian |
| 07:09.12 | Xuerian | Cairenn: I know there's one built in, but Dominos doesn't seem to let me CHANGE the bars... >_> |
| 07:09.25 | Cairenn | not what I'm poking you about ;) |
| 07:09.26 | Xuerian | Also hai D: |
| 07:09.29 | Xuerian | ... wat <_< |
| 07:09.30 | Cairenn | hey :) |
| 07:09.46 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=33840 |
| 07:10.00 | Cairenn | poke poke |
| 07:10.10 | Xuerian | <_< |
| 07:10.10 | Cairenn | pokedy poke poke |
| 07:10.25 | Xuerian | Gee. I can't imagine what you want me to do >_> |
| 07:10.30 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:10.34 | Cairenn | huggles Xuerian |
| 07:10.35 | zenzio | while running my fourth or so random heroic yesterday, I realised the incoming and outgoing parts of my MSBT were missing. During my ninth I realised my target of target frame (on default UI) was not showing o_O |
| 07:10.46 | Xuerian | adds Dridzt to XLoot and pokes him in turn. |
| 07:10.54 | Amarande | wow, 1 minute pop for random classic at 41 |
| 07:10.57 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 07:10.57 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:11.05 | Cairenn | hi Amarande |
| 07:11.18 | Amarande | now I'm waiting to get in ... |
| 07:11.23 | Amarande | c'mon anonymous dps person |
| 07:11.27 | Amarande | ANSWER YOUR READY CHECK FOO |
| 07:11.40 | Amarande | bah, back in the queue |
| 07:12.44 | Cruciformer | hello everyone |
| 07:13.00 | Xuerian | Cairenn: Mikk is mikk on wowi, right? >_> |
| 07:13.07 | Cairenn | correct |
| 07:13.10 | Xuerian | Mmk. |
| 07:13.23 | Xuerian | Also, team members features is awesome. So is delegation, on a related subject |
| 07:13.34 | Cairenn | indeed, on both counts :) |
| 07:14.01 | Cairenn | we've wanted to get the team member stuff done for soooooo long, Dolby was really glad to finally get the time to add it |
| 07:14.05 | Cruciformer | quick question. Is there a generic way to be able to get a floating frame above a raid member's head like you get when you press V? Or is that frame somehow special to the game? |
| 07:14.28 | Thunder_Child_ | it's a 3D element you cant mess with |
| 07:14.39 | zenzio | well |
| 07:14.46 | Shadowed | yes you can |
| 07:14.47 | zenzio | I think there are some ways to do it |
| 07:14.49 | Shadowed | it's just a giant hacj :p |
| 07:14.52 | Shadowed | hack* |
| 07:15.00 | Thunder_Child_ | well for nameplates i su,ppose |
| 07:15.03 | Shirik | oh dear |
| 07:15.05 | Thunder_Child_ | suppose* |
| 07:15.16 | Cruciformer | nameplates, thats the word I was looking for |
| 07:15.18 | Shirik | Cairenn is poking things |
| 07:15.19 | Shadowed | but no, all you can do is modify the nameplates |
| 07:15.31 | Xuerian | Shirik: Don't worry, just me and my lazy updates =| |
| 07:15.34 | Shadowed | and that's a pain in the ass/a giant hack |
| 07:15.58 | Cruciformer | Shadowed: So thre is no way to, for example, create my own nameplate-like frame and have it attached to a player? |
| 07:16.08 | Shadowed | No, you have to override the nameplates themselves |
| 07:16.18 | Amarande | There should be a "kick the ass of person who put you back into the queue after it popped almost right away, because they didn't answer their ready check" button. |
| 07:16.19 | Cruciformer | k well thre goes that idea then |
| 07:17.12 | Cruciformer | I was thinking for healers it would be cool if you could attach a small HUD-like thing above a players head that has 2 or 3 buttons they can just press |
| 07:17.27 | Amarande | gah |
| 07:17.30 | Amarande | now the tank won't go :P |
| 07:17.35 | devZero | question. While, the questgiver window is open, the addon opens the questlog ( this is done in a hidden state by hooking ShowUIPanel to an empty function() end ) and iterates through each quest in the log, trying to find a match. Could this cause a problem w/ the questgiver window? |
| 07:17.35 | Amarande | blasted queue |
| 07:17.44 | zenzio | Cruciformer: "DAMNIT STOP MOVING SO I CAN HIT YOUR BUTTONS" |
| 07:18.25 | Cruciformer | zenzio: Ok having the healing buttons wasnt the brightest idea that what u use clique/grid for but the notion of a per-player minihud appeals to me. |
| 07:18.25 | devZero | I've been trying to find an fix for this problem for hours now, and I'm mentally drained. |
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| 07:18.57 | Arrowmaster | devZero: you shouldnt have a need to open the questlog in a hidden manner, you can itterate through those functions without the window open |
| 07:19.18 | devZero | I thought so, but the original author has it done in this manner |
| 07:19.23 | zenzio | Cruciformer: hehe, was just messing |
| 07:19.25 | Arrowmaster | of what? |
| 07:19.45 | devZero | the Thottbot addon |
| 07:19.52 | Shadowed | There's your first problem |
| 07:19.54 | zenzio | Cruciformer: when you asked I was reminded of this, but I'm led to believe it hasn't worked for quite a while: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4168-ArcadiaLogos.html |
| 07:19.55 | Arrowmaster | just close the file and walk away |
| 07:20.06 | devZero | yes I know |
| 07:20.19 | devZero | I get paid for this... though, not nearly enough |
| 07:20.28 | Shadowed | you are honestly better rewriting from scratch |
| 07:20.29 | Arrowmaster | by who? thottbot? |
| 07:20.46 | devZero | tghe issue just arose yesterday w/ 3.3 |
| 07:20.53 | Shadowed | People still use thottbot? |
| 07:20.57 | Cruciformer | zenzio: many a true word spoken in jest :) Healing isnt a great use but for example having a res button (out of combat) or battleres or ... I dunno ... something :) |
| 07:21.18 | devZero | and I've narrowed it down to the functions he has within the QUEST_COMPLETE event |
| 07:21.40 | devZero | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1481743/quest.png |
| 07:22.12 | devZero | Arrowmaster: yes, thottbot is my employer... well, affinity media. |
| 07:22.12 | Shirik | er.... |
| 07:22.22 | Shirik | 19. Q: Derive an expression for the closed loop gain for the 741 op-amp (figure 6) (6 points) |
| 07:22.31 | Shirik | A: [A picture of a fire truck] |
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| 07:22.37 | Arrowmaster | i thought zam owned thottbot |
| 07:22.40 | devZero | I applied as a web developer, got stuck doing lua, and working on the old cosmos patcher application. |
| 07:22.55 | Cruciformer | zenzio: thats pretty neat ... that arcadia thingy |
| 07:23.05 | Arrowmaster | lol cosmos has been dead for a while |
| 07:23.09 | Shadowed | a while? |
| 07:23.18 | devZero | the application has been rebranded, and re-purposed. |
| 07:23.22 | Shadowed | hasn't it been dead for 3 years or something |
| 07:23.33 | Arrowmaster | officially dead for atleast 2 i think |
| 07:23.33 | Xuerian | It was dead then |
| 07:24.03 | devZero | anyhow, all that aside. I've got to fix this, so I can go back to having a life. |
| 07:24.20 | Shadowed | I'm not sure anyone's going to be able to help you honestly :p |
| 07:24.34 | Arrowmaster | yeah that shit is probably so bad you are beyond helping |
| 07:24.56 | Shadowed | well not even that, but the method is obscure/outdated enough that I don't think anyone would be able to tell you without digging through it |
| 07:25.11 | devZero | it's terrible... I'v e tried a fresh re-write numerous times... but everything w/ thottbot is so intertwined, it's not even funny. |
| 07:25.21 | devZero | don't even try and contemplate what the server side looks like. |
| 07:25.22 | Shadowed | devZero: Are you sure they aren't punishing you |
| 07:25.34 | devZero | I've considered it |
| 07:26.05 | Xuerian | God rest your soul, devZero. |
| 07:26.22 | Xuerian | I'm not sure I used that expression right... maybe it's save. |
| 07:26.25 | Xuerian | shrugs. |
| 07:26.27 | devZero | sometimes I look at wowheads code, just to clear my head |
| 07:26.35 | Shadowed | wowheads data miner is pretty evil |
| 07:26.45 | Xuerian | Is that like being married to a fat chick and sneaking glances of the models? |
| 07:26.53 | devZero | ^^ |
| 07:26.56 | Cruciformer | i still use thottbot for quest info, especially older quests. |
| 07:27.14 | Cruciformer | when going for loremaster I found it more useful than other places. |
| 07:27.24 | devZero | wowhead guys are lucky... there's a team of them from what I understand... Thottbot has, well... me |
| 07:27.35 | Xuerian | Well, it was great in its time, and it's certainly got the comment seniority |
| 07:28.06 | KarlKFI | heh, i think thott wrote the addon initially, so you can blame him |
| 07:28.07 | Xuerian | But I didn't enjoy seeing the outside of it, I don't think I'd be able to stomach the *inside* |
| 07:28.25 | devZero | I got thrown into this about a year ago... never did any lua, or wow programming... then I got thrown into cosmos, never had done any c++ or obj-c. |
| 07:28.41 | zenzio | ouch |
| 07:28.41 | KarlKFI | sounds like fun |
| 07:28.45 | devZero | KarlKFI: I do blame him... every single day |
| 07:28.49 | KarlKFI | heh |
| 07:29.00 | zenzio | I was thrown into Obj-C about a year ago too; but I had done C++ (not at work, PHP there) |
| 07:29.11 | devZero | I like Obj-C |
| 07:29.12 | KarlKFI | he's on aim, you could go ask him what he was doing |
| 07:29.12 | Cruciformer | C++ is evil anyway. real men use C99 and eschew that OOP crap. |
| 07:29.14 | devZero | I hate c++ |
| 07:29.21 | Shirik | I hate you |
| 07:29.26 | zenzio | I like C++ |
| 07:29.34 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI: the answer is probably drugs |
| 07:29.34 | Shirik | Cruciformer is the devil |
| 07:29.35 | krka | rewrites are in most cases the wrong solution imo, it should be possible to clean up the code bit by bit |
| 07:29.37 | Cruciformer | devZero: Im with you on this. |
| 07:30.07 | Cruciformer | Shirik: IMHO, the whole notion of OOP is flawed. |
| 07:30.08 | devZero | the sad thing about this whole situation is... that no one even knows that thottbot has an addon. |
| 07:30.10 | DWSR | I hate C |
| 07:30.13 | Arrowmaster | krka: what about when large portions of the code are just plain WRONG |
| 07:30.16 | devZero | I think like 5 people use it... counting myself and thott |
| 07:30.34 | devZero | ...and Biny |
| 07:30.43 | KarlKFI | i wrote a whole dataminer addon from scratch for some dead website and it's horribly out of date now, i cant immagine what thottbot would look like |
| 07:31.12 | Xuerian | devZero: I knew about it <_< |
| 07:31.15 | KarlKFI | besides it was all obfuscated when i looked :P |
| 07:31.23 | devZero | KarlKFI: -- outdated code for 500 lines\n some fixed code\n -- another 500 lines of outdated code |
| 07:31.39 | KarlKFI | pretty much |
| 07:31.54 | KarlKFI | methods for gathering things have changed drasticly |
| 07:32.00 | devZero | indeed |
| 07:32.08 | KarlKFI | i dont think you even need to parse tooltips for much any more |
| 07:32.11 | devZero | when I first started, there was no id tracking methods. I put those in |
| 07:32.19 | KarlKFI | unless of course you're storing them |
| 07:32.20 | devZero | everything was still guessing, and attempted matching |
| 07:32.45 | devZero | there's still sooooooooooo much tooltips scraping going on. |
| 07:33.08 | KarlKFI | it had to |
| 07:33.12 | devZero | I've started to re-write it a few times. I get about 6 lines in, and I give up |
| 07:33.18 | KarlKFI | there was no api for most of that stuff |
| 07:33.25 | devZero | basically, right after I write the toc file. |
| 07:33.31 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 07:33.39 | KarlKFI | lack fo commitment! |
| 07:34.10 | devZero | there's just so much to convert, and so much not needed. I just get lost in it all |
| 07:34.16 | KarlKFI | trick with writing it from scratch is to define all the subsections |
| 07:34.24 | Xuerian | Truth |
| 07:34.25 | krka | Arrowmaster: you rewrite those, but you do it iteratively, by replacing more and more of the original code. but you shouldn't just throw away everything and start over (in most cases) |
| 07:34.28 | KarlKFI | need to write your own spec first |
| 07:34.45 | DWSR | imo, rewriting from scratch can be good |
| 07:34.51 | krka | Cruciformer: flawed in what way? |
| 07:35.00 | Cruciformer | god i hate the hicups I get when eating slightly old and cold fries |
| 07:35.08 | KarlKFI | in thottbots case i'd say from scratch is prolly a good idea. that code is 5 years old |
| 07:35.11 | DWSR | but, well developed code helps negate the need |
| 07:35.26 | Xuerian | I think we've established that it's not in this case |
| 07:35.36 | Arrowmaster | krka: i would never completely throw away everything but more or less start fresh but using the old code as reference copying the good parts if needed |
| 07:35.42 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 07:35.45 | devZero | the funny thing is, so much data can be grabbed from wdb, and dbc files these days. The addon only needs to be used to fill in the bits between |
| 07:35.47 | DWSR | That's what I'd do as well |
| 07:35.48 | Cruciformer | krka: Well, this is just my opinion, but you asked :) So many OOP proponents try to convince me that OOPS is closer to what teh brain does naturally, that we tend to think in terms of objects and constantly abstract. |
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| 07:36.06 | KarlKFI | so make an addon that only does those bits, silly |
| 07:36.17 | Arrowmaster | devZero: yeah Adys did the mmochampion thing from just wdb and dbc i think |
| 07:36.38 | Cruciformer | krka: the example I was always given in classes was "your brain knows an apple is a member of the class fruit: etc. And that is patently false. the brain does all kinds of short-circuiting based on simple pattern recognition. |
| 07:36.48 | devZero | yeah, it's on the list right after I get done doing the site redesign, and the patcher re-write ( which is almost done ) |
| 07:37.17 | devZero | Arrowmaster: yeah, Adys gave me some info about his file readers. |
| 07:37.27 | devZero | saved me a lot of time. |
| 07:37.36 | DWSR | Cruciformer: The brain has a built in abstraction layer |
| 07:37.43 | Cruciformer | "roughly circular object sort of orange in color - must be an orange". I think OOP principles encourage extreme over-abstraction and very rarely every promote one of its touted features: code re-use. |
| 07:38.08 | devZero | though, I tend to not complain too much... I do spend quite a bit of time in "testing" :P |
| 07:38.25 | Cruciformer | very few things in the computer world more re-used than teh standard C library, and theres not a hint of OOP there at all. |
| 07:38.43 | krka | Cruciformer: i think it's a matter of just coding correctly |
| 07:38.55 | krka | i have written lots of things that are easily reusable |
| 07:38.59 | Cruciformer | whereas with C++, I know of almost no-one that doesnt try STL, then discard it and do their own thing |
| 07:39.27 | Xuerian | Cruciformer: A project I'm working on uses OOP for data type standardization, management, and re-use. That was my entire goal with it. |
| 07:39.33 | devZero | anyhow, thanks for the info folks. |
| 07:39.42 | Cruciformer | and re-invent the wheel by dicking around with their own string class etc etc. |
| 07:40.22 | Cruciformer | Xuerian: designing a good data model is one thing, but teh over-abstraction that I see with most C++ is another. |
| 07:40.28 | Xuerian | Point being that not all usage of OOP is either missing the point or misuse. Almost anything can be encouraged to be used in the wrong way |
| 07:40.44 | bleeter | did wowhead ever fix their shit up to differentiate between PTR and Live? |
| 07:40.47 | Xuerian | Rather, IS encouraged to be used in the wrong way |
| 07:41.05 | Xuerian | (i'm still trying to figure out how to change totem sets through Dominos, btw, if anyone can tell me) |
| 07:41.26 | Cruciformer | Xuerian: I agree completely. The best, most portable and reusable code I have seen was vanilla C code implementing a data model designed with approximate OOP principles. |
| 07:42.14 | Arrowmaster | to me the key word there is principles |
| 07:42.22 | Cruciformer | IMHO C lacks 2 and only 2 things for it to be a perfect language: a native string type and structured exception handling (not setjmp/longjmp madness) |
| 07:42.52 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: Indeed the principles of OOP are sound. the syntax and illegibility of C++ are nuts. |
| 07:42.53 | krka | you forgot oo support |
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| 07:43.22 | Cruciformer | if by oo u mean operator overloading Im gonna have fisker insert his trout right up your bum |
| 07:43.40 | Cruciformer | oo is absolutely evil |
| 07:43.50 | krka | operator overloading has nothing to do with oo |
| 07:44.04 | Cruciformer | kk I didnt know what u meant by oo ... I was guessing :) |
| 07:44.04 | krka | oo generally means object orientation :P |
| 07:44.05 | Arrowmaster | like Lua is not OO but its got metatables that can be used to apply OOP principles and ive seen a lot of good stuff done using metatables like that |
| 07:44.11 | ZorbaTHut | operator overloading is awesome |
| 07:44.16 | Xuerian | Also stuff that makes your head spin |
| 07:44.34 | Cruciformer | ZorbaTHut: awesome in the same sense that a frontal lobotomy is awesome? |
| 07:44.41 | Arrowmaster | but everytime somebody tries to create a fucking OOP library i take one look at it and think its just an abomination |
| 07:44.59 | nevcairiel | without operator overloading you end up with languages that have a "+" operator adding ints, and a "+." operator for adding floats |
| 07:45.02 | DWSR | I thought OOP was the de facto standard abbreviation when talking about Object Orientation. |
| 07:45.04 | nevcairiel | its not awesome wihout it. |
| 07:45.04 | Cruciformer | whoever thought overloading << and >> for "standard IO" was a neat idea (hello Bjorn Stroustrup) ... needs to be taken out back and shot. |
| 07:45.05 | ZorbaTHut | cruciformer, awesome in the same sense that a welder, a barn full of dynamite, and a demented robotic assembly plant is awesome |
| 07:45.27 | ZorbaTHut | highly dangerous, to be treated with extreme care, and capable of both phenomenal good and catastrophic destruction |
| 07:45.40 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Demented has a negative connotation though |
| 07:45.51 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, yes, I am implying that your robotic assembly plant is perhaps not quite sane |
| 07:45.51 | DWSR | So I would challenge your 'phenomenal good' |
| 07:45.57 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 07:46.05 | DWSR | God damned english language. |
| 07:46.16 | Cruciformer | ZorbaTHut: what I want to know is why the welder is storing his dynamite ina barn. I store mine in teh kitchen. MUCh safer :) |
| 07:46.21 | ZorbaTHut | there's a lot of stuff in C++ which is very dangerous when misused. The philosophy of C++ is that they give you the tools to blow your own leg off. |
| 07:46.42 | ZorbaTHut | But if you know how to use those tools properly, it's quite a powerful language, especially for low-level performance-intensive stuff. |
| 07:47.05 | ZorbaTHut | Most people, of course, don't know how to use those tools properly. |
| 07:47.09 | Cruciformer | ZorbaTHut: I agree it can be used for good sometimes, it just rarely is. |
| 07:47.21 | ZorbaTHut | cruciformer, in fairness, I could make that claim of every language. |
| 07:47.27 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, Perl Golf. |
| 07:47.37 | Cruciformer | but I still think C is better for low level performance. |
| 07:47.39 | zenzio | ZorbaTHut: and English |
| 07:47.47 | ZorbaTHut | I disagree. Anything that can be done in C can be done in C++. |
| 07:47.57 | ZorbaTHut | And there are many things that can be done in C++ that can't be done in C. |
| 07:48.05 | ZorbaTHut | std::sort() blows qsort() out of the water, for example. |
| 07:48.20 | ZorbaTHut | it's not even a fair comparison, qsort just loses. |
| 07:48.21 | Xuerian | Compilers are making the performance differences more and more negligible, just like the advantages to writing directly in assembly =| |
| 07:48.47 | nevcairiel | writing in assembly can still be alot faster, if you know what you do |
| 07:48.52 | KarlKFI | Here's how i goes: The more fun (easier) it is to program in, the slower it performs. |
| 07:48.58 | ZorbaTHut | xuerian, true, and C++'s typesafety *also* blows C's "equivalent" out of the water. |
| 07:49.06 | Cruciformer | While that is true, depending on the exact implementation, C++ cannot help but be slower since it uses vtables and many functions that are frequently called are done so through function pointers, which is much, MUCh slower than a direct call, and has all kinds of cache implications that in really performant code, has seevere consequences. |
| 07:49.10 | ZorbaTHut | I honestly think there's no reason to use C over C++. Now, other languages over C++, absolutely. |
| 07:49.12 | Xuerian | nevcairiel, KarlKFI: There are always exceptions |
| 07:49.14 | ZorbaTHut | cruciformer, so . . . don't do that? |
| 07:49.26 | ZorbaTHut | you're basically saying "if I make C++ do a ton of unnecessary shit, it's slower" |
| 07:49.27 | ZorbaTHut | well duh |
| 07:49.46 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think anyone argues that, but I also don't think it's particularly important. |
| 07:49.52 | Cruciformer | Not really unecceasry shit. Any time you have inheritance you have a performance penalty. |
| 07:50.10 | ZorbaTHut | does manual inheritance-equivalence in C somehow not incur this penalty? |
| 07:50.43 | ZorbaTHut | because if you're comparing a hardcoded C program without inheritance to a heavy-OOP C++ program, then, yes, you are putting a lot of extra overhead in C++. But again, the solution is simply to *not do that*. |
| 07:50.44 | zenzio | C++ didn't intend to be faster than C, it wanted to be better/easier for certain things |
| 07:50.53 | Cruciformer | usually not since C's typechecking is weaker and you can pass, for example, a larger structure pointer to a function that only manipulates the lements it knows about and doesnt touch the others. |
| 07:51.03 | zenzio | if you don't like it, fair enough, just stick to your language of choice. It's all personal opinion |
| 07:51.13 | ZorbaTHut | cruci, you can do that in C++ too, though |
| 07:51.18 | ZorbaTHut | in fact that's what C++ inheritance does |
| 07:51.32 | Cruciformer | zenzio: I was asked for my opinion :) I am not asserting anything here as irrefutable fact, this is simply why *I* dont like C++ :) |
| 07:52.03 | ZorbaTHut | standard public inheritance turns into literally no assembly - it passes the exact same pointer in |
| 07:52.19 | mitch0 | zenzio: just for the record: there is no performance penalty for inheritance as long as you don't use virtual functions |
| 07:52.24 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, the problem is that you *are* stating certain things as fact, namely that C++ is slower |
| 07:52.34 | zenzio | Cruciformer: I know; I wasn't only speaking to you - the people in this channel tend to get carried away in these holy wars |
| 07:53.00 | ZorbaTHut | and it isn't. you are simply wrong there. There's valid reasons to dislike C++, including compile time (eugh) and - if you're trapped with bad coders - people's tendency to overuse features. But performance is really just not a problem. |
| 07:53.01 | Cruciformer | ZorbaTHut: For some cases it is. |
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| 07:53.25 | krka | can't you basically write c style code in c++? |
| 07:53.28 | ZorbaTHut | cruci, I am curious as to a situation where you can take C code, compile it as C++, and have it come out slower. |
| 07:53.40 | zenzio | valid C should compile in a C++ compiler |
| 07:53.53 | ZorbaTHut | krka, with a few small exceptions, C++ can compile C code. Those few exceptions tend to be new keywords (simple rename) and issues with C++ typesafety (explicit casting, no speed penalty). |
| 07:53.54 | Cruciformer | I doubt uyou could zorba, becuase its still C code. |
| 07:54.10 | Cruciformer | its when you start using other fatures of the language that things start slowing down. |
| 07:54.43 | Amarande | hmm, this has to be a bug |
| 07:54.46 | ZorbaTHut | cruci, sure, so, I mean, again, don't use them. C++ does not require that you use any fancy features, and there's a lot of stuff it provides "for free" (typesafety being the big one, IMHO) |
| 07:54.55 | Amarande | I could have sworn the purple crystal part of Mara was *lower* level than the orange one |
| 07:55.07 | Amarande | in Dungeon Finder, they seem to be reversed |
| 07:55.37 | Cruciformer | ZorbaTHut: I think we need to distinguish between C++ compilers (good) and allof the features of C++ (not so good imho). I regularly compile C code with a C++ compiler just for its stronger typechecking. |
| 07:56.00 | ZorbaTHut | cruci, the features have their use, but I agree that some of them are frequently overused. I'm not a huge fan of OOP, for example. |
| 07:56.07 | krka | java kicks c++s ass any day anyway, so this is a meaningless discussion |
| 07:56.09 | ZorbaTHut | templates are amazing when they're useful, and horrible when they're not. |
| 07:56.23 | mitch0 | krke: yeah right :) |
| 07:56.39 | Cruciformer | of course then you have to "extern "C" everything if you plan on making a shared object and want the name to be easily accessible for calls like dlsym() and freinds but thats a different issue altogether. |
| 07:57.24 | ZorbaTHut | hey, almost back up to 30k gold already |
| 07:57.51 | Cruciformer | Im about to hit teh 50k mark soon. Dunny why I hoard it but I do. |
| 07:58.12 | ZorbaTHut | I blew 12k on bags. |
| 07:58.15 | Cruciformer | I want to eventually hit the "At gold limit" error message when I loot a corpse :) |
| 07:59.00 | Cruciformer | the gold limit being 231 in coppers, so about 200K or so |
| 07:59.08 | Cruciformer | 2^31 I meant |
| 07:59.31 | Cruciformer | although they seem to use something other than a signed int for guild banks |
| 07:59.33 | krka | java is pretty efficient these days, gets OO mostly right, is much easier to read and learn than c++, and actually produces meaningful compile- and runtime errors |
| 07:59.39 | Amarande | 214748g 36s 47c |
| 07:59.55 | Cruciformer | thanks armande I was too lazy to remember 2^31 :) |
| 07:59.56 | Shirik | Java's gonna go down |
| 08:00.01 | Shirik | Java's gonna get replaced by AspectJ |
| 08:00.04 | Amarande | heh, and you know what's fun! |
| 08:00.09 | Amarande | if you have the max amount of gold |
| 08:00.11 | ZorbaTHut | I'd be worried at max gold that I'd tickle a bug that would wrap around |
| 08:00.15 | Shirik | AspectJ is pretty awesome, despite the fact that it relies on Java |
| 08:00.15 | Amarande | you CANNOT DIVIDE IT EVENLY AMONG YOUR FRIENDS! :D |
| 08:00.25 | ZorbaTHut | and I'd end up with negative 214k gold |
| 08:00.26 | mitch0 | krka: the compile time errors are a compiler issue (hopefully fixed when clang is finished) |
| 08:00.26 | Amarande | no matter how many or few friends you do (well, unless you don't have any and it's just you, I guess) |
| 08:00.26 | krka | aspects are crap |
| 08:00.31 | Shirik | Aspects are awesome |
| 08:00.39 | mitch0 | krka: and java gets a lot of stuff plain wrong |
| 08:00.43 | Amarande | 2,147,483,647 is prime, heh |
| 08:01.01 | Cruciformer | really? 2^31 is prime? |
| 08:01.03 | Shirik | What if I have 2147483647 friends? |
| 08:01.17 | Shirik | Cruciformer: Given that that number is not divisible by 2, I'm pretty sure it's not 2^31 |
| 08:01.29 | zenzio | then you must be on Facebook |
| 08:01.29 | ZorbaTHut | 2^31-1 |
| 08:01.40 | Shirik | zenzio: lol |
| 08:01.59 | krka | mitch0: i probably agree with you, but i'd still like to hear about which things are wrong |
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| 08:02.19 | Shirik | abstract classes vs interfaces |
| 08:02.24 | Shirik | wtf |
| 08:02.28 | mitch0 | krka: const correctness, proper destructors (my 2 biggest gripes) |
| 08:02.36 | zenzio | can you write the function definitions outside of the class in Java, or do you have to write them "inline"? |
| 08:02.42 | Shirik | tbh it is very difficult for Java to implement some kind of destruction mechanic |
| 08:02.44 | Cruciformer | I consider my lack of knowledge of java to be a real weakness. I wish I knew it or could bring myself to learn it. |
| 08:02.51 | Shirik | simply because of GC |
| 08:03.08 | mitch0 | krka: and of course the inordinate memory usage... |
| 08:03.11 | krka | you have finalize in java :P |
| 08:03.13 | Amarande | WTF |
| 08:03.16 | krka | though it's crap and never used :P |
| 08:03.17 | Shirik | finalize is not reliable |
| 08:03.18 | Amarande | I can't get a wowhead profile for my hunter anymore |
| 08:03.21 | Amarande | it keeps coming up "Unable to resync from the Armory: Failed to fetch reputations. Please try again later." |
| 08:03.23 | mitch0 | krka: that's completely unreliable, you know |
| 08:03.25 | krka | what do you mean by const correctness? |
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| 08:03.31 | ZorbaTHut | I honestly don't like Java for anything besides portable code (where portable is defined as "cellphone"), simply because I feel like it has no useful niche |
| 08:03.39 | Shirik | How about having a real "const" in Java |
| 08:03.40 | Shirik | at all |
| 08:03.41 | Amarande | did they change something in the armory? I don't see anything odd when I go to his page on the armory itself |
| 08:03.46 | ZorbaTHut | it's not as easy or fun to code in as Lua is, it's not as controllable as C++ is |
| 08:04.05 | krka | java has final, close enough |
| 08:04.05 | ZorbaTHut | so why use Java? *shrug* |
| 08:04.08 | Shirik | No |
| 08:04.11 | Shirik | not close enough at all |
| 08:04.24 | Shirik | also lol @ the play on words in "portable code" |
| 08:04.28 | zenzio | does Java have unsigned values yet? |
| 08:04.29 | mitch0 | zorba: java is not that bad on the server side, but only because java put gazillion programmers at the problem of creating a huge "standard lib" |
| 08:04.31 | Cruciformer | I'm having fun with Lua in my MP3 tagger |
| 08:04.47 | krka | nope, no unsigned values |
| 08:04.50 | krka | i miss those too |
| 08:04.58 | krka | except for char and short i suppose |
| 08:05.06 | krka | char and short are both 16 bit, but char is unsigned |
| 08:05.12 | bleeter | just as every OS sucks, every language sucks. FIN. |
| 08:05.21 | Shirik | AspectC++ ftw |
| 08:05.25 | Cruciformer | bleeter: amen. |
| 08:05.31 | zenzio | bleeter: but some suck more than others |
| 08:05.38 | ZorbaTHut | I personally find it hilarious how Java's chars are no longer guaranteed to be a single character |
| 08:05.39 | mitch0 | zorba: that second java in there is sun |
| 08:05.44 | ZorbaTHut | gj java, way to think things through |
| 08:05.45 | krka | imo, lua is not always optimal, sometimes i like to have stronger typing |
| 08:05.53 | Cruciformer | i love the tagline for mutt: "All mail clients suck. This one just sucks a bit less". |
| 08:05.56 | bleeter | and most sucky languages coding for sucky os's/platforms run on sucky hardware, too |
| 08:06.13 | mitch0 | zorba: erm, that's not a particularly strong point of c++ either :) |
| 08:06.13 | Shirik | There is only one practical use for Java |
| 08:06.18 | Shirik | To run on a Java chip |
| 08:06.28 | Shirik | but that is flawed because there is no practical use for a java chip |
| 08:06.36 | Cruciformer | or to drive gmail :) |
| 08:06.42 | krka | i find lots of uses for java |
| 08:06.44 | Shirik | Java drives gmail? |
| 08:06.49 | krka | mostly i think it's faster to develop in than c++ |
| 08:06.53 | Shirik | krka: It was an exaggeration :) |
| 08:06.54 | krka | (or c) |
| 08:07.13 | Shirik | The #1 thing I miss whenever I don't code in Java is reflection I think |
| 08:07.19 | Shirik | typically just for things like unit tests, etc. |
| 08:07.25 | Amarande | hmm, anyone else have a character that refuses to wowhead profile now? |
| 08:07.26 | Shirik | Java's testing capabilities are unmatched |
| 08:07.28 | mitch0 | krka: that's again mostly an issue with the stdlib size of each, and code complete/refactor support of editors |
| 08:07.29 | zenzio | sometimes I've wanted to look at Java, then I started looking for an IDE, and when I see Eclipse I just lose the will |
| 08:07.32 | [Wobin] | krka, I can develop photographs faster than c++ |
| 08:07.43 | Shirik | there is a lot of work into "design for test" in other language |
| 08:07.46 | ZorbaTHut | mitch, except C++'s were never claimed to be |
| 08:08.00 | ZorbaTHut | originally, but they have no intention whatsoever of supporting unicode |
| 08:08.12 | zenzio | there *was* no Unicode when C++ was mde |
| 08:08.15 | zenzio | *made |
| 08:08.16 | ZorbaTHut | java's meant to be the big portable unicode-compliant thing, and now they've got multibyte characters also. which is just funny. |
| 08:08.26 | ZorbaTHut | zenzio, which is a really good explanation for why they don't support it ;) |
| 08:08.27 | Shirik | I think C++0x has some support for unicode |
| 08:08.43 | zenzio | Shirik: some? THey have data types for UTF8, 16 and 32 IIRC |
| 08:08.47 | krka | actually, java didn't have any good unicode support until java 5 |
| 08:08.59 | Shirik | that "some" meant "something that I don't know because I haven't really investigated it" |
| 08:09.02 | zenzio | aha |
| 08:09.34 | Shirik | Unicode support is not a priority for me because we already have TCHAR, etc. |
| 08:09.38 | zenzio | but as far as type sizes go, both C and C++ (as far as I know) mostly define a minimum size, not a fixed size |
| 08:09.49 | Shirik | so I don't really pay attention to "changes to standard C++ just because it needs to be standard" |
| 08:09.58 | zenzio | so you're coding on Windows only? |
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| 08:10.16 | Shirik | where I care about this, yes |
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| 08:10.42 | zenzio | throws an invalid code point at Shirik |
| 08:10.43 | Shirik | and I think boost has a unicode-compliant string |
| 08:10.57 | mitch0 | Qt also has good unicode support |
| 08:11.02 | Shirik | throws a const std::exception& at zenzio |
| 08:11.07 | zenzio | catches |
| 08:11.38 | zenzio | haven't worked too much with it, but I think ICU is fairly good |
| 08:12.46 | Shirik | ah but zenzio |
| 08:13.26 | Shirik | what if I threw a std::exception that throws an exception in its destructor! |
| 08:13.44 | mitch0 | UB? or guaranteed terminate? |
| 08:13.54 | zenzio | then you'd have a horrible implementation |
| 08:14.02 | zenzio | or you'd actually be throwing a child class |
| 08:14.17 | Shirik | well I meant to be throwing a child class :) |
| 08:14.19 | zenzio | (which also had a horrible implementation) |
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| 08:14.40 | Shirik | and mitch0, I believe it's supposed to be a guaranteed termination |
| 08:14.55 | krka | i dislike arguing about stuff you _can_ abuse about a language. it's better to argue about what stuff is hard to do nicely in a language |
| 08:15.06 | Shirik | the logic being "there is no valid 'next step' for the program -- it is in a lose-lose situation" |
| 08:15.26 | zenzio | krka: I agree, but it's so much harder to convince people that their language of choice sucks that way ;) |
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| 08:16.02 | Shirik | krka: mixins for java |
| 08:16.02 | Shirik | gogo |
| 08:16.50 | Arrowmaster | mixins for lua, im still not fucking sure how AceOO-2.0 worked |
| 08:17.37 | krka | meh, i've never had a need for mixins |
| 08:19.14 | Shirik | I'm using it in my database abstraction implementation |
| 08:19.17 | Shirik | them* |
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| 08:19.47 | Shirik | quite nice |
| 08:19.47 | Shirik | very elegant |
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| 08:21.10 | devZero | hmmm... couldn't find this on wowprogramming, QuestLog_SetSelection() |
| 08:21.46 | devZero | I assume it sets the selection for GetQuestLogSelection()? |
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| 08:24.44 | Shirik | here's something fun krka |
| 08:24.49 | Shirik | let's invert your question |
| 08:25.01 | Shirik | what's something you consider challenging in C++ that isn't so difficult in Java? |
| 08:25.06 | Shirik | I guess the obvious answer is portability |
| 08:25.14 | Shirik | so try to pick something else :) |
| 08:28.56 | krka | i like the garbage collection in java for one thing |
| 08:28.56 | devZero | ! |
| 08:29.02 | devZero | I think I fixed it! |
| 08:29.49 | krka | i also think namespaces and generics are nicer in java |
| 08:30.06 | krka | and exceptions seem more built in in java |
| 08:31.03 | krka | and you get friendly stacktraces when someting goes wrong instead of Segmentation fault or coredump |
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| 08:32.52 | Shirik | You LIKE Java's generics? |
| 08:32.55 | Shirik | how |
| 08:33.05 | Shirik | I can't stand them |
| 08:33.58 | krka | they are less complex than in c++ atleast |
| 08:34.07 | zenzio | a segfault should signify a failure to catch an exception (or some error that doesn't cast an exception) |
| 08:35.40 | krka | if you screw up an array index in c++ you're literally screwed, in java you get an ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException |
| 08:36.35 | zenzio | it's a matter of choice obviously, but if you're using C++, you'd probably stick to the STL containers rather than plain arrays most of the time |
| 08:37.06 | Shirik | for the record, zenzio, std::vector::operator[] does not do bounds checking either |
| 08:37.07 | zenzio | I don't mind Java, just haven't gotten into it so far |
| 08:37.47 | zenzio | Shirik: interesting, believed it did |
| 08:37.47 | Shirik | krka, what do you mean by "complex" I'm not sure I understand |
| 08:37.56 | krka | c++ seems to be designed for hardware and developers who never do anything wrong, java seems to be designed for developers who sometimes make bugs |
| 08:37.58 | nevcairiel | java is just easier to work with, it checks some stuff for you that you don't have to remember |
| 08:38.03 | Shirik | zenzio: std::vector::at() does, but operator[] does not |
| 08:38.36 | Shirik | I am really surprised to see someone say Java's generics are better than C++'s |
| 08:38.45 | Shirik | I can't stand Java's generics. They don't even feel like a real feature to me |
| 08:38.50 | zenzio | Shirik: that might be where I was mixing things up |
| 08:39.26 | krka | javas generics are purely compiler sugar |
| 08:39.28 | krka | which is nice :) |
| 08:39.35 | Shirik | and now that C++ is going to have concepts |
| 08:39.47 | Shirik | even the cryptic template error messages could go away |
| 08:40.03 | krka | that would be nice indeed |
| 08:40.13 | krka | thats one of my major annoyances with c++ |
| 08:40.24 | Shirik | did I show you my boost error message? |
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| 08:40.50 | zenzio | Shirik: wasn't concepts dropped? |
| 08:41.24 | Shirik | I didn't think so |
| 08:41.25 | Shirik | were they? |
| 08:41.29 | zenzio | In July 2009, the C++ standards committee decided to remove concepts from C++0x. |
| 08:41.34 | zenzio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concepts_%28C%2B%2B%29 |
| 08:42.09 | Shirik | you're right |
| 08:42.18 | Shirik | oh well, boost has them |
| 08:42.26 | Shirik | they're trivial to implement outside of standard C++ |
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| 08:48.50 | ccox | yeah, concepts weren't quite ready for prime time |
| 08:49.15 | ccox | (partly because they can fix the cryptic errors on the compiler side) |
| 08:55.48 | ccox | of course, the guys behind concepts are still hard at work, improving the design |
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| 09:03.33 | Bruners | how do you use the lua [code] on the forums ? |
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| 09:18.03 | smcn | http://www.savagechickens.com/images/chickenhappybearxmas.jpg |
| 09:21.41 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 09:24.17 | olafski | oh dang they fixed the droprate of the battered hilt already :( |
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| 09:28.07 | Jamash | aw |
| 09:28.46 | olafski | my gf won the first one we saw but now I don't have one ;p |
| 09:28.53 | olafski | they should really make that thing BoP or unique or something |
| 09:32.10 | Fisker | I FUCKING HATE PUGS |
| 09:32.13 | Fisker | DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE |
| 09:32.16 | Fisker | DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 09:32.18 | Fisker | DIEIIDIEIDIE |
| 09:32.44 | Fisker | "Derp derp i better stand in melee of lich king that'll probably give me extra damage" |
| 09:33.01 | Fisker | "derp derp i better go do some fok on adds without tricks of the trading it to the tank" |
| 09:33.07 | Fisker | "derp derp i gotta repair" |
| 09:33.15 | devZero | meh, I wish I could send my BoA items cross accounts merged on my battle.net |
| 09:33.21 | Fisker | "Derp derp how do i get back to the instance?" |
| 09:33.33 | Fisker | "Derp derp my fucking addons can't let me find the DF icon" |
| 09:33.42 | Fisker | "derp derp i spirit ressed because i'm a huge jackass" |
| 09:34.31 | Bruners | DF icon ? |
| 09:35.22 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 09:35.25 | Shirik | try not to spam the channel |
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| 09:41.36 | olafski | lol at the getting lost on the way to the instance |
| 09:41.44 | Bruners | http://entertainment.todaysbigthing.com/2009/12/08 |
| 09:41.45 | olafski | one guy insisted on getting rezzed all the time last night because of that |
| 09:42.45 | olafski | deadgummit! |
| 09:42.46 | olafski | nice bruners :D |
| 09:44.08 | Fisker | try to not pug Halls of Reflection Shirik |
| 09:44.10 | Fisker | i know it's you |
| 09:44.54 | Arrowmaster | spirit res is grounds for immediate kick |
| 09:45.20 | olafski | 10 minute uselessness :/ |
| 09:45.24 | Fisker | yeah well they're 2 terribads and are apparently keeping eachother in |
| 09:45.40 | olafski | does it require all other members to say yes to kick someone? |
| 09:45.57 | Fisker | as i understood it it requires 4 |
| 09:46.17 | Fisker | But it could be the healer |
| 09:46.20 | Fisker | as well |
| 09:47.05 | olafski | hmm.. so what if it's a party of 4 :< |
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| 09:48.39 | Kalroth | I did a pug with a hunter and a rogue, they never used MD or Tricks and they were always hitting the unmarked mobs |
| 09:48.42 | Kalroth | It was great |
| 09:50.59 | Fisker | omg |
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| 09:51.56 | Shirik | Fisker, you wouldn't pug an instance |
| 09:52.17 | Kalroth | Fisker is a walking pug |
| 09:52.30 | Kalroth | He's 5 terribad players in one! |
| 09:53.04 | olafski | I did about 6 pugs yesterday, all were good |
| 09:53.43 | Fisker | seriously |
| 09:53.51 | Fisker | We had the lich king creeping up on us |
| 09:53.56 | Fisker | and there was one mob left |
| 09:54.06 | Fisker | and the rogue fucking stun locked him less than a feet from his aura or something |
| 09:56.34 | Kalroth | haha |
| 09:57.33 | Kalroth | on my first run I ran with the guilds MT and he went "are you sure he cant be tanked? i bet he's a pussy", ran up to him and ran out like 2 seconds later with 10% health |
| 10:01.03 | Fisker | Yesterday i had a cool run in Halls of Stone |
| 10:01.20 | Fisker | Suddenly i noticed that sometimes the healer would stop healing and that the tank would stop tanking |
| 10:01.42 | Fisker | Then right at the intersection to the 3 bosses the tank said he only wanted to do Brann+End boss |
| 10:01.53 | Fisker | which was apparently why the healer and tank was fighting like that |
| 10:02.07 | Fisker | So i told them to grow up and get on with it |
| 10:02.29 | Fisker | Then at brann the tank just runs away when doing the encounter |
| 10:02.43 | Fisker | and comes back just as we're about to be overwhelmed by adds |
| 10:02.53 | Fisker | Anyways we let him only get to the end boss |
| 10:02.57 | Fisker | at which point we kick him :P |
| 10:03.01 | Fisker | fucking asshole |
| 10:07.40 | Jamash | is it wrong to do GameTooltip:AddLine("dummy"); _G["GameTooltipTextLeft"..GameTooltip:NumLines()]:SetText("some text with |c codes in it") |
| 10:08.00 | Fisker | how strange and absurd! |
| 10:08.12 | Fisker | When i queue as DPS it takes like 15 minutes to get a group |
| 10:08.15 | Fisker | but only 2 seconds as tank! |
| 10:11.28 | olafski | that's odd |
| 10:11.36 | olafski | I would have thought DPS had a very easy time finding a group! |
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| 10:12.02 | olafski | I saw tons of people in [1. General - Icecrown] going "lf2m forge of souls hc, need tank and healer" |
| 10:12.10 | Kalroth | haha |
| 10:12.10 | olafski | poor dpsers :D |
| 10:12.32 | Kalroth | I hate people that does that; "LFM instance, need 1 tank, 1 healer and 2 DPS!!" |
| 10:12.44 | olafski | "lf 3 dps for fos hc, no reply = we're full" |
| 10:12.46 | olafski | instant 10 whispers |
| 10:13.19 | Kalroth | or "LFM VoA, need 2 tanks, 6 healers, 10 DPS, NO DKS" |
| 10:13.52 | olafski | hahaha |
| 10:13.52 | olafski | yeah |
| 10:14.03 | olafski | "lf 2 tanks 2 healers and 2 dps for ony 10, OEB is reserved" |
| 10:14.33 | olafski | no wait this guy actually said "OEB and bag of spoils are reserved" |
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| 10:14.43 | olafski | needless to say he was shouting this for over half an hour before he went offline |
| 10:17.47 | Kaso | how the hell do you do a ^ modifier on a mac keyboard >< |
| 10:19.24 | Kaso | one of the shortcuts is ^⌘{ |
| 10:19.39 | Kaso | why can't apple just write the names of keys down, it'd be so much easier to understand |
| 10:19.51 | Kaso | Apparently ctrl which i thought it was doesnt work |
| 10:19.59 | Kalroth | alt+0094 ! |
| 10:27.40 | Kaso | and in reply to the previous conversation; being a healer or tank i love how instantly quickly the new LFG interface finds me a group ;p |
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| 10:31.32 | ZorbaTHut | I've been surprised about the number of healers on my server |
| 10:31.49 | ZorbaTHut | I've queued healer/dps on my druid quite a few times, and about half the time I end up DPSing |
| 10:33.22 | Kalroth | Maybe it's because the LFG system can rate how poor a healer you are! |
| 10:33.27 | Kalroth | "Better let this one DPS, the party will run a lot smoother" |
| 10:38.04 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21726112730&sid=1#14 |
| 10:38.04 | Kaso | lol it'd be pretty interesting to keep statistics on that |
| 10:38.17 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck can he post but i get a damn server error trying to login |
| 10:43.24 | jnwhiteh | I get unable to validate game version every time I login.. then I click through and I can log in just fine. |
| 10:43.26 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
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| 10:45.28 | Arrowmaster | ok i can login to account management (i really should cancel my account while im here) |
| 10:45.41 | Arrowmaster | but if i click login on the forums its just "Server Error" |
| 10:46.06 | Bruners | how do you use the lua [code] on the forums ? |
| 10:46.14 | Arrowmaster | what forums |
| 10:46.21 | Bruners | wowinterface forums |
| 10:46.25 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 10:46.42 | Torhal | [highlight=lua] |
| 10:46.44 | Arrowmaster | is there even a lua [code] for vB |
| 10:47.00 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: do that have that on wowace? |
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| 10:47.10 | Torhal | Never tried |
| 10:47.21 | Arrowmaster | i want to shoot people for [PHP] |
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| 10:47.35 | Torhal | Yah, it's nasty |
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| 10:51.45 | Torhal | tekkub is all about the "gist", but I don't see the point in making something on github then going to WoWAce and hacking it in there |
| 10:51.53 | Torhal | The background difference is annoying too |
| 10:53.56 | Arrowmaster | i doubt he actually creates it on gist.github.net but uses one of the scripts to just popup his text editor ready to go and upload it for him |
| 10:54.51 | Arrowmaster | plus it does syntax highlighting which as far as we know cant be done for lua on wowace |
| 10:55.10 | Torhal | Yah, just seems hacky and ugly to me |
| 10:55.25 | olafski | < jnwhiteh> I get unable to validate game version every time I login.. then I click through and I can log in just fine. <-- I got that too, and my game crashed about 5 minutes later |
| 10:55.38 | jnwhiteh | no i can pl[ay normally |
| 10:55.41 | jnwhiteh | that's what'ps weird. |
| 10:55.57 | olafski | I restarted wow and then didn't get this error and could play normally too.. odd |
| 10:56.57 | Arrowmaster | most games still use Bink for videos right? |
| 11:01.17 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 11:01.19 | Arrowmaster | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/fubar.aspx |
| 11:01.35 | Arrowmaster | its like fucking 6am est 3am pst |
| 11:02.10 | Arrowmaster | those better comments from EU |
| 11:09.03 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: added you as a team member to FuBar on WoWI (since I see by the page on Curse that you are already are there, as well) |
| 11:09.20 | Cairenn | are there any other of his projects that I should be adding you to on WoWI? |
| 11:09.38 | Arrowmaster | what else does he have on wowi? |
| 11:09.59 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=26682 |
| 11:10.56 | Arrowmaster | cart2 |
| 11:11.01 | Cairenn | k |
| 11:11.49 | Arrowmaster | i think im earning points on curse for half of those fubar plugins but i dont know if im actually listed as an author |
| 11:11.53 | nevcairiel | is anyone going to fix cart2 anyway? |
| 11:11.56 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 11:12.12 | nevcairiel | considering how much mapster broke, i bet cart2 is even worse |
| 11:12.37 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: done |
| 11:13.27 | Arrowmaster | ive got reports about an ace2 issue even |
| 11:13.34 | nevcairiel | i fixed ace2 |
| 11:13.40 | nevcairiel | unless there is something new |
| 11:14.08 | Arrowmaster | something else, im guessing you fixed the GetFrameType thing i saw when i did a grep on my dir for GetFrameType |
| 11:15.00 | nevcairiel | that was part of the problem, eventhough the error message doesnt clearly state that |
| 11:17.42 | Arrowmaster | yeah this was linked to me http://pastebin.com/d7332dce2 |
| 11:18.04 | nevcairiel | protected function orig? wtf :P |
| 11:18.07 | Arrowmaster | i already found the issue im guessing but the debug stack is funny |
| 11:18.31 | nevcairiel | looks like someone hooked something he shouldnt be hooking |
| 11:18.49 | Arrowmaster | its CancelLogout() but its being hooked and the function ends with a tailcall of 'return orig()' |
| 11:19.47 | Arrowmaster | old ass code from the days before PLAYER_LOGOUT |
| 11:20.28 | Arrowmaster | or the non permanent way to join chat channels |
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| 11:33.48 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/12/what_in_the_hell_is_a_scotch_m.php |
| 11:34.20 | jnwhiteh | oh WoW |
| 11:34.27 | jnwhiteh | you can gte your SoH reputation in like two seconds. |
| 11:34.43 | jnwhiteh | 2000 a day just from random heroic/normal |
| 11:35.03 | krka | you can clear a dungeon in two seconds? O_o |
| 11:35.18 | jnwhiteh | Hawlr: yeah, the tokens that give you 520 rep per token are only one triumph badge |
| 11:35.28 | jnwhiteh | krka: por supuesto! |
| 11:35.29 | Hawlr | oh interesting never knew that one |
| 11:35.37 | jnwhiteh | and don't PM |
| 11:35.40 | jnwhiteh | just talk in this canel |
| 11:35.41 | jnwhiteh | channel |
| 11:36.34 | Hawlr | trick to the new dungeon finder: just geta tank in your party before u queue |
| 11:36.36 | Hawlr | instant |
| 11:36.38 | Hawlr | ^^ |
| 11:36.46 | jnwhiteh | ;-) |
| 11:36.49 | jnwhiteh | i'm a healer, that makes it even better |
| 11:36.50 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/12/guy_blows_jaw_off_dies_from_ex.php |
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| 11:37.26 | mikma | shirik: http://www.geekologie.com/2009/12/guy_blows_jaw_off_dies_from_ex.php |
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| 11:41.08 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/crappy_hugs.jpg |
| 11:41.33 | Cairenn | lol |
| 11:42.11 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dirty_mind_wine.jpg |
| 11:42.19 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dogs.jpg |
| 11:42.50 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 11:48.20 | jnwhiteh | this paladin |
| 11:48.21 | jnwhiteh | who has shield |
| 11:48.24 | jnwhiteh | is body pulling |
| 11:48.31 | jnwhiteh | with no consecrate |
| 11:48.32 | mikma | cool |
| 11:48.56 | jnwhiteh | negative |
| 11:48.57 | jnwhiteh | i'm healing =) |
| 11:49.03 | mikma | tell him "i'm gonna bodypull your face if you do that one more time" |
| 11:49.07 | jnwhiteh | he's dk tho |
| 11:49.07 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 11:49.10 | jnwhiteh | i'm not surprised. |
| 11:49.32 | jnwhiteh | he knows he should be on Ravencrestdkdkdkdkdk |
| 11:54.05 | Jerub | fuck yes. |
| 11:54.33 | Jerub | just got ilvl245 ring to replace my ilvl200 one. so now my lowest ilvl is 219, and there's only 1 of them. :D |
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| 12:02.05 | olafski | which battlegroup is that jnwhiteh? |
| 12:03.22 | jnwhiteh | not sure |
| 12:03.25 | jnwhiteh | cyclone? |
| 12:07.33 | olafski | ah dang not mine :P |
| 12:08.06 | zenzio | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.08 | zenzio | oops |
| 12:09.20 | mikma | ~framexml |
| 12:09.21 | purl | Official: (Mac) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg, (Win) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip. Compare: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
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| 12:35.26 | vivi3 | waves |
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| 12:36.40 | vivi3 | waves to aelobin |
| 12:37.15 | Aelobin | hai :o |
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| 12:38.42 | vivi3 | Quiet this time of morning? |
| 12:38.55 | A-KO | http://guyism.com/2009/12/two-hot-female-teachers-opt-do-each-other-instead-of-students.html < wish I could have seen that |
| 12:41.02 | mikma | (insert here a giggle from 14 year old) |
| 12:41.23 | zenzio | I always suspected you were young, mikma |
| 12:41.57 | mikma | (insert drums here) |
| 12:42.12 | mikma | oh right, i'm not 14y and i don't have drums. bollocks. |
| 12:42.27 | nevcairiel | but you can giggle like a 14 year old girl |
| 12:42.53 | mikma | of course, takes some practice ofc but i'm getting better |
| 12:43.04 | nevcairiel | keep at it, then! |
| 12:43.23 | zenzio | the other day on the bus home I had the misfortune of sitting behind a bunch of teenage girls who were discussing the Twilight series |
| 12:43.27 | zenzio | it was painful |
| 12:43.56 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 12:44.10 | mikma | haha |
| 12:44.46 | nevcairiel | I hate when that happens |
| 12:44.49 | vivi3 | You poor thing, did you want to drill your ears out? |
| 12:48.18 | Audible | the good thing is that its in to be pale :) |
| 12:48.31 | Audible | "oh you're so pale" "yes dear, i'm a vampire" |
| 12:48.52 | Audible | "i want you to suck me like i'll suck you" |
| 12:49.09 | Audible | almost better than jew jokes |
| 12:53.32 | olafski | wish the random dungeon finder would tell me what dungeon I'm getting into before I get in :p |
| 12:54.28 | vivi3 | Does anyone know if the quests done function is going to be in use in any mods? |
| 12:58.46 | jnwhiteh | its already used |
| 12:58.49 | jnwhiteh | in EveryQuest |
| 12:59.02 | jnwhiteh | !addon Everyquest |
| 12:59.05 | lua_bot | EveryQuest (v. r110-release) last updated Mon Dec 7 08:53 (http://is.gd/5hQHt) |
| 12:59.20 | Audible | I am waiting for Tourguide to be released with it, that will be awsome :) |
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| 12:59.46 | jnwhiteh | tourguide is about leveling |
| 12:59.51 | jnwhiteh | the API is about completing every quest ever =) |
| 12:59.55 | jnwhiteh | it certainly can help, but meh. |
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| 13:01.11 | Arrowmaster | also already used in questhelper |
| 13:05.39 | vivi3 | Thanks! |
| 13:05.46 | vivi3 | does everquest do quest levels? |
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| 13:33.54 | olafski | is there a reason people care about dps meters so much that I'm not seeing? |
| 13:34.11 | olafski | I'm usually more interested in actual damage done in a heroic |
| 13:36.16 | Lopeppeppy | e-peen |
| 13:37.30 | Lopeppeppy | Well, for some, they just want to constantly improve their performance. For some, they want to prove they are super-awesome and laugh at everyone else. |
| 13:38.01 | olafski | well sure.. but if you pull 5000 dps but are afk half the time I wouldn't call that good performance |
| 13:38.10 | olafski | I guess proving you're super awesome still works for that though |
| 13:38.19 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, but their numbers are so leeeeet! |
| 13:38.38 | olafski | in the last dungeon I did 31.4% of the damage as a tank, but with lower dps than the others |
| 13:38.43 | olafski | I'd still say they were slacking massively :P |
| 13:39.05 | Lopeppeppy | That's why you and I know that damage meters aren't a great measurement of performance. |
| 13:40.40 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:40.45 | olafski | oh and we had a shaman who constantly put his totems so far away from the boss that I didn't get their effect ;p |
| 13:42.32 | Fisker | btw kd3 you lied to me |
| 13:42.43 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik. |
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| 13:51.25 | Shirik | why is Lopeppeppy so nice to me :) |
| 13:52.08 | zenzio | it's a ploy |
| 13:54.41 | Nechckn | Does anyone know why things like AddOns functioning while WoW is minimized no longer works with 3.3? Any links/references? |
| 14:00.53 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, have you ever given me a reason to not be nice? |
| 14:01.17 | Shirik | probably |
| 14:01.29 | Lopeppeppy | Oh really. *rolls eyes* |
| 14:03.37 | Fisker | i want to die Shirik |
| 14:03.45 | Shirik | kbye |
| 14:04.02 | zenzio | I think you mean "kills", Fisker |
| 14:04.08 | zenzio | -s |
| 14:04.20 | Fisker | i want to die |
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| 14:19.12 | Kraps | good thursday morning |
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| 14:21.07 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
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| 14:32.06 | Dezzimal | what might cause combat events to not get sent at all until a relog occasionally? |
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| 14:32.53 | Dezzimal | a few times after patch 3.3 I've had MSBT cease to function and my combat log to be empty |
| 14:33.29 | Dezzimal | and any other addon I can think of that relied upon combat events had that portion of it break as well |
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| 14:37.33 | Arrowmaster | i had that happen before while i was talking to zootfizzle, he told it me was likely a race condition bug in the client from when i had just gotten 1 shot by a raid boss when it started happening |
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| 14:48.12 | jnwhiteh | i had it yesterday |
| 14:48.30 | mikma | http://www.ineedahandjob.com/Handjob/Order.html |
| 14:50.32 | Ginji | LFD is slow! :P |
| 14:50.40 | Fisker | 13 stacks frostweave cloth, 1 stack abyss crystals, 1½ stack dream shards, ½ stack greater cosmic essence and 6 stacks infinite dust |
| 14:50.44 | Fisker | since yesterday :o |
| 14:52.21 | Fisker | still need 9 more random dungeons :( |
| 14:56.38 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: is there a routes module for the explorer achi? |
| 14:56.51 | Xinhuan | unfortunately, no |
| 14:57.00 | Xinhuan | routes merely uses data from other existing addons |
| 14:57.17 | jnwhiteh | i can give you that data =) |
| 14:57.20 | jnwhiteh | ExplorerCoords has it |
| 14:57.21 | Xinhuan | any author can write a plugin for routes |
| 14:57.26 | Xinhuan | see plugin folder |
| 14:57.28 | jnwhiteh | I know that =) |
| 14:57.37 | Xinhuan | however |
| 14:57.51 | Xinhuan | i didn't design routes to do routes that cross zone borders |
| 14:58.10 | jnwhiteh | that's fine |
| 14:58.22 | jnwhiteh | i'm already doing it with tomtom and /cway |
| 14:58.24 | jnwhiteh | i dunno if i cba |
| 14:58.51 | Xinhuan | it should be fairly easy to write a plugin, each one only needs to supply a certain set of API, i didn't document i think |
| 14:59.05 | jnwhiteh | i dont know that i'll get around to it |
| 14:59.08 | jnwhiteh | its not my data, anyway =) |
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| 15:14.15 | Fisker | you wouldn't jnwhiteh |
| 15:14.34 | jnwhiteh | truth |
| 15:20.04 | Fisker | oh my |
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| 15:23.48 | jnwhiteh | I |
| 15:23.49 | jnwhiteh | fucking |
| 15:23.52 | jnwhiteh | HATE Azshara |
| 15:24.01 | jnwhiteh | how the FUCK do i get back up from the ocean |
| 15:24.27 | krka | there's like one ramp up :P |
| 15:24.36 | krka | i think i googled for it |
| 15:24.39 | krka | or looked at wowhead |
| 15:24.54 | krka | azshara - the zone that never got finished |
| 15:26.53 | jnwhiteh | fuck tghis |
| 15:26.54 | jnwhiteh | i'm done. |
| 15:27.05 | jnwhiteh | its not fun. |
| 15:27.42 | jnwhiteh | and THAT is why I never finish that achievement |
| 15:27.46 | Lopeppeppy | huggles jnwhiteh. |
| 15:27.56 | Lopeppeppy | Which achievement involves getting lost in Azshara? |
| 15:28.08 | krka | loremaster? |
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| 15:28.12 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. |
| 15:28.17 | krka | there's like 4-5 quests there |
| 15:28.21 | krka | i remember them being painful :/ |
| 15:28.22 | Stanzilla | explorer stuff |
| 15:28.23 | Lopeppeppy | True. |
| 15:31.29 | krka | would be nice with a local hearthstone per zone |
| 15:31.43 | krka | oh well, they'll fix azshara for next expansion anyway |
| 15:31.59 | Lopeppeppy | If they add a few friggin staircases I'll be happy with Azshara. :) |
| 15:32.12 | Lopeppeppy | I only know two ways up, the beach by the naga and the one over by the engineer's hut. |
| 15:32.15 | Shirik | retackles Lopeppeppy and goes to sleep |
| 15:32.22 | Shirik | all home now yay |
| 15:32.28 | Lopeppeppy | Go to sleep, Shirik, and dream of android sheeps. |
| 15:33.03 | Ackis | snows on Lopeppeppy |
| 15:35.42 | Lopeppeppy | I have tons of enough of snows, Ackis, buzz off! :P |
| 15:36.10 | Ackis | buzzs off, flinging snow on Lopeppeppy |
| 15:36.37 | Lopeppeppy | Not nice! |
| 15:37.08 | Shirik | bleh |
| 15:37.09 | Shirik | guess I'm not going to sleep |
| 15:37.16 | Lopeppeppy | Why not? |
| 15:37.23 | Lopeppeppy | And why are you sleeping backwards like Cairenn anyway? |
| 15:37.25 | Shirik | too many vandals need to be dealt with |
| 15:37.33 | Shirik | because sleeping on a train is annoying |
| 15:37.40 | Lopeppeppy | True that last one. |
| 15:37.48 | Lopeppeppy | What vandals are annoying your parents? |
| 15:38.37 | jnwhiteh | krka: that's why i want to get the achievement done now |
| 15:38.41 | jnwhiteh | i dont know how its going to change |
| 15:39.11 | krka | true |
| 15:39.22 | krka | i have loremaster for EK and kalimdor atleast |
| 15:39.29 | krka | stuck on outland and northrend |
| 15:39.35 | krka | (i.e. too crappy to solo it) |
| 15:40.01 | Shirik | what vandals are annoying my parents? |
| 15:40.02 | Shirik | what? |
| 15:40.19 | Lopeppeppy | You said vandals needed to be dealt with, and that you were home... |
| 15:40.27 | Shirik | yes |
| 15:40.40 | Shirik | wikipedia vandals, and I am at home; two completely different statements |
| 15:41.36 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. Someone is wrong on the interwebs. I see. |
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| 15:45.16 | mikma | wobwork: hailol |
| 15:45.29 | mikma | wobwork: has you heard teh new "angry" nickelback? ;D |
| 15:45.58 | mikma | the radio announcer said something like "oh my, have these guys grown balls" |
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| 15:47.03 | nicoli_s | my god |
| 15:47.19 | nicoli_s | i thought they were always angry, at good music, which is why they were always yelling so poorly at it |
| 15:48.30 | Shirik | lurves Lopeppeppy |
| 15:48.33 | Shirik | no, not wrong |
| 15:48.34 | Shirik | just stupid |
| 15:48.37 | Shirik | sheeples |
| 15:49.08 | Ackis | nicoli_s: not a fan I presume? |
| 15:50.00 | Ackis | Why aren't LightHeaded, Carbonite, or any other addon hosted here? or Why isn't LightHeaded, Carbonite, or any other addon hosted here? |
| 15:50.33 | Shirik | um |
| 15:50.36 | Shirik | neither :) |
| 15:50.54 | Ackis | what would proper grammar be for that faq then? :P |
| 15:50.58 | Lopeppeppy | Because your world sucks, next question? |
| 15:51.11 | Shirik | The only valid option you gave me "Why aren't LightHeaded, Carbonite, or any other addon hosted here?" is probably not what you intended |
| 15:51.22 | Shirik | that means "Why aren't any addons hosted here?" |
| 15:51.22 | Lopeppeppy | Why isn't "Insert your favorite addon name" hosted here? |
| 15:51.33 | Lopeppeppy | likes her question! |
| 15:51.35 | Ackis | 90% of the submissions are for carbonite/lightheaded |
| 15:51.38 | Ackis | I blame jnwhiteh |
| 15:51.39 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:51.40 | Ackis | for both |
| 15:51.41 | Ackis | :D |
| 15:51.41 | Shirik | I like Lopeppeppy's answer |
| 15:51.46 | Shirik | er |
| 15:51.47 | Shirik | question |
| 15:51.56 | Shirik | I think I really need sleep :( |
| 15:51.58 | Ackis | remember, we're dealing with morans! |
| 15:52.38 | Lopeppeppy | Why isn't "insert your favorite addon name" hosted here? (examples: Lightheaded, Questhelper) |
| 15:53.21 | Seerah | Why isn't <<insert your favorite addon>> hosted here? |
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| 15:53.32 | Shirik | tackles Seerah |
| 15:53.43 | Seerah | has no energy to fight back :( |
| 15:53.47 | Shirik | wins |
| 15:53.48 | olafski | Why aren't LightHeaded, Carbonite, or some other addon hosted here? |
| 15:53.49 | olafski | :-) |
| 15:53.59 | Shirik | no olafski |
| 15:54.03 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, Seerah has it right, punctuation counts! |
| 15:54.09 | Seerah | olafski: that's the same - means *any* addon |
| 15:54.25 | olafski | hm |
| 15:54.32 | olafski | dagnabbit |
| 15:54.42 | Seerah | ~pat olafski |
| 15:54.43 | purl | ACTION pats olafski and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 15:54.45 | olafski | deadgummit! |
| 15:54.59 | cbreak | Favorite addon name? Those names sound rather boring |
| 15:55.08 | Seerah | wtb massage and faster working excedrin |
| 15:55.28 | Shirik | huggles Seerah |
| 15:55.40 | Shirik | I would give you a massage but there's about 2000 miles between us |
| 15:55.40 | zenzelezz | personally, when I read "any other", I half-interpret it as "no other" |
| 15:55.41 | Seerah | huggles Shirik |
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| 15:58.12 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone fancy themselves a font expert? I'm trying to match a nasty stupid font that I can't seem to pick out, and the site owner is clueless about what the designer used... |
| 15:58.32 | zenzelezz | not really... but we could try anyway |
| 15:59.07 | olafski | could try :> |
| 15:59.07 | Lopeppeppy | http://sun.skidmore.union.edu/main_prgms.html |
| 15:59.25 | Lopeppeppy | The font for the site logo, SUN Skidmore Union Network, at the top. |
| 15:59.26 | Audible | http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/the_coming_ice_age.html |
| 15:59.28 | Lopeppeppy | Have a blast. |
| 15:59.30 | Audible | some interesting reading |
| 16:00.16 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: did you try what the font? |
| 16:00.28 | olafski | monotype corsiva? |
| 16:00.44 | cbreak | Lopeppeppy: http://new.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/ |
| 16:00.52 | olafski | indeed :) |
| 16:00.54 | cbreak | just goodled that |
| 16:01.01 | olafski | I used whatthefont to find monotype corsiave |
| 16:01.03 | olafski | corsiva** |
| 16:01.13 | olafski | looks like a good match |
| 16:01.35 | olafski | http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/agfa/monotype-corsiva/monotype-corsiva/ there's a link ;) |
| 16:02.17 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, your'e correct, monotype Corsiva, and I love this site! |
| 16:02.21 | Lopeppeppy | You guys rock my world! |
| 16:02.37 | Lopeppeppy | starts a party with olafski and Seerah, and goes to find this font. |
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| 16:04.50 | Shirik | ok I will go to sleep now |
| 16:04.56 | Shirik | because Lopeppeppy didn't invite me to the partyt |
| 16:05.08 | olafski | nn |
| 16:05.18 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep well, dear. |
| 16:05.27 | EthanCentaurai | wonders if there will be cake. |
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| 16:11.35 | nicoli_s | is so pissed off this morning |
| 16:12.05 | zenzelezz | well, better to be pissed off than pissed on |
| 16:12.17 | Ackis | slowly rubs nicoli_s' back. What's wrong dear? |
| 16:12.18 | Ackis | :P |
| 16:12.22 | zenzelezz | now you shouldn't feel quite so bad |
| 16:12.39 | nicoli_s | just some work bullshit |
| 16:13.00 | Ackis | I was pissed on once as a kid |
| 16:13.01 | nicoli_s | a competing aion site is trying to demand we takedown some feature because we used their site to figure out the xp formula |
| 16:13.16 | Ackis | I was playing on the front yard and the neighbour kid came out and pissed on me |
| 16:13.18 | Ackis | :( |
| 16:13.27 | Ackis | nicoli_s: piss on them! |
| 16:13.37 | cbreak | how did you use their site? |
| 16:13.43 | nicoli_s | and this is the same site that has straight up copied textual descriptions of stuff from our website and just find and replace |
| 16:13.50 | zenzelezz | nicoli_s: how do they know you did? |
| 16:14.00 | Lopeppeppy | Why is my fonts list not alphabetical!!! I already had monotype corsiva. It's under c. |
| 16:14.02 | nicoli_s | zenzelezz: they are the only ones with the data |
| 16:14.02 | Lopeppeppy | Of course it is. |
| 16:14.11 | zenzelezz | nicoli_s: where did they get it? |
| 16:14.17 | nicoli_s | cbreak: there is a base xp value per level, and i looked at their site ti figure it out |
| 16:14.20 | cbreak | Lopeppeppy: maybe windows sucks. :) |
| 16:14.24 | nicoli_s | zenzelezz: packet log from the game |
| 16:14.33 | zenzelezz | is that allowed? |
| 16:14.36 | nicoli_s | of course not |
| 16:14.41 | cbreak | nicoli_s: pure data agregation is not copyrightable |
| 16:14.44 | cbreak | at least not over here |
| 16:15.00 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: possible the font's somehow called "Corsiva", and Monotype is just a variant |
| 16:15.51 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, as soon as I downloaded it from our shared fonts folder and tried to install it, I discovered it under c is for "this system suCks" |
| 16:15.53 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 16:15.59 | Seerah | my fonts folder under windows has it listed under monotype |
| 16:16.18 | Seerah | <3 windows 7, btw, for displaying the actual font in the thumbnail of the font file :) |
| 16:16.44 | cbreak | OS X has that since ages... :P |
| 16:17.32 | Seerah | also, Lopeppeppy (or whomever may find this useful): http://sourceforge.net/projects/findthatfont/ |
| 16:17.48 | Lopeppeppy | It's only under C for Photoshop, it's under M for Fireworks. What the hell. |
| 16:18.09 | cbreak | If you use OS X, you can categorize and organize fonts with the Font.app |
| 16:18.46 | Seerah | cbreak: like FindThatFont? |
| 16:18.54 | cbreak | Maybe one uses the font name, the other the font file name |
| 16:19.03 | cbreak | Seerah: Maybe. |
| 16:19.16 | cbreak | I can make categories, search fonts, show examples, look at font properties |
| 16:19.28 | cbreak | it's quite convenient |
| 16:20.18 | Seerah | :) |
| 16:22.59 | Fisker | hehe |
| 16:23.02 | Fisker | a guildie just got keylogged |
| 16:23.13 | Fisker | Me: "Well atleast you'll get a corehound pup" |
| 16:23.39 | Seerah | <3 corehound pup |
| 16:24.09 | Seerah | finally made me dig my authenticator I got at BlizzCon '08 out of the drawer. pet made me be not too lazy to use it |
| 16:24.36 | Ackis | I hate my authenticator |
| 16:24.40 | cbreak | Those things are very expensive |
| 16:24.44 | Ackis | it's on my desk |
| 16:24.50 | Ackis | and my fucking cats consider it a toy |
| 16:24.52 | cbreak | I wonder if the iPhone authentificator counts as well |
| 16:24.53 | Seerah | cbreak: what things? |
| 16:25.02 | Kaso | cbreak it does as far as i know |
| 16:25.03 | Ackis | so there's times I go to log into wow only to not have it |
| 16:25.07 | cbreak | getting a token delivered |
| 16:25.18 | Kaso | im planning to set mine up tonight and then disactivate it again |
| 16:25.25 | Kaso | i dont need two factor authentication |
| 16:25.48 | Ackis | if you deactivate it you lose the pet |
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| 16:27.54 | zenzelezz | hey... when you're in a cross-realm instance, can people still do crafts for you - in particular, enchanting? |
| 16:28.11 | cbreak | I doubt |
| 16:28.20 | cbreak | you can't even trade items unless they are conjured |
| 16:28.28 | zenzelezz | pity |
| 16:28.42 | Ackis | i wonder if you can do cross-realm instances with yourself |
| 16:28.46 | Ackis | on a second account |
| 16:29.00 | Kaso | can't see why not |
| 16:29.00 | cbreak | if you're lucky :) |
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| 16:29.11 | cbreak | not like you can pick who you party with |
| 16:29.14 | zenzelezz | was hoping I could up the chance of finding a Blade Ward enchanter by asking all my random groups :-p |
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| 16:29.22 | Kaso | lol zenzelezz |
| 16:30.06 | Kaso | write an addon that inspects everyone you mouse over and whispers them asking who did their enchant if they have blade ward |
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| 16:31.01 | kaptein | hey guys, can someone please help me 1 sec with a macro request |
| 16:31.31 | zenzelezz | explain |
| 16:31.41 | kaptein | i would like a macro to detect if i have water shield active or not,I know this was able on the addon called "smartbuff" |
| 16:31.46 | Ackis | macro! polo! |
| 16:32.30 | kaptein | like this (not in those words) |
| 16:32.46 | durcyn | kaptein: not really possible to do without a macro that's too long for the macro buffer, grab SimpleSelfRebuff or similar |
| 16:32.48 | kaptein | Script If "Water Shield" is active then nil; else |
| 16:32.48 | kaptein | Cast "water shield" |
| 16:33.03 | durcyn | there's no macro equivalent for UnitHasBuff |
| 16:33.04 | cbreak | no |
| 16:33.11 | cbreak | you can detect if someone has a buff |
| 16:33.28 | kaptein | how ? |
| 16:33.31 | cbreak | but you can not cast based on it without a lot of detours |
| 16:33.38 | cbreak | and in combat you can't even do that |
| 16:33.58 | kaptein | u know how im able to do it with smartbuff then ? |
| 16:34.05 | kaptein | thats a addon tho |
| 16:34.24 | durcyn | if smartbuff actually works, then it creats a secure button out of combat |
| 16:35.02 | kaptein | in combat im talking about, it only buff water shield when i scroll mouseweel, if i dont have the buff active already |
| 16:35.23 | kaptein | if i have the buff already, it dosnt do anything |
| 16:35.29 | cbreak | You can not do that in combat |
| 16:35.31 | durcyn | the mousewheel scroll actually won't work in combat |
| 16:36.07 | cbreak | addons or macros can not decide anything cast related in combat |
| 16:36.43 | kaptein | then im rly confused how smartbuff manage to do it |
| 16:37.39 | cbreak | look at the code and find out :) |
| 16:37.48 | Kaso | is this smartbuff addon still around? |
| 16:38.19 | kaptein | i tryed, but im abit noob at this. and yeh, smartbuff is still around, tho 3 months since last update |
| 16:38.22 | Gnarfoz | what you describe is not possible on currently live versions of WoW |
| 16:38.28 | Kaso | Q6: How can I cast buffs in combat? |
| 16:38.29 | Kaso | A6: If you want to cast a spell in combat, the you have to check also the "in combat" option in the main options frame (on the right of "Buff on scroll"). Be carfully with this option. In combat is no logic allowed, so SB sets your first "combat"-buff on your key before combat, but in combat it can't do any actions to prevent to cast during the restrictions. It only can show you when do you need a buff, but any time you hit the key in combat it buffs. |
| 16:38.29 | Kaso | also the reason why the "in combat" is per default "off". |
| 16:38.40 | Kaso | ^Smartbuff FAQ kaptein |
| 16:39.05 | cbreak | See, it can't :) |
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| 16:40.19 | Ackis | ~wowspell 71102 |
| 16:40.20 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=71102 http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=71102 |
| 16:40.34 | kaptein | okey, ty Kaso. |
| 16:41.11 | Kaso | You can thank decursive for you not being able to do what you want to do ;p |
| 16:41.28 | cbreak | nah... more like healbot |
| 16:41.38 | Kaso | Hell in the old days there was autorebuff which even casted the spell for you when you needed |
| 16:41.54 | kaptein | lol |
| 16:42.12 | kaptein | now thats op. this isnt actually op |
| 16:42.20 | cbreak | sure it is |
| 16:42.26 | kaptein | cus i still have to do the click"action" |
| 16:42.38 | cbreak | but not the "think" action |
| 16:42.43 | kaptein | hehehe |
| 16:42.46 | kaptein | true tho |
| 16:43.59 | kaptein | allright folks, im off. thx alot for all help, i rly apriciate it. used alot of time to find out about it till now. |
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| 16:47.46 | zenzelezz | people appear to be going crazy over the Quel'Delar |
| 16:48.09 | Thunder_Child | a resonably easy to get 251 item |
| 16:48.24 | Thunder_Child | though there is no takning onw which seems rather silly |
| 16:48.27 | Thunder_Child | one* |
| 16:48.47 | zenzelezz | unusual, but all right for a change |
| 16:48.53 | Thunder_Child | tanking* |
| 16:49.13 | zenzelezz | trade chat is half full of arguments over Battered Hilt prices |
| 16:49.53 | zenzelezz | some guy was being a wise-ass and said "WTB [Battered Hilt] 10k"... he's still trying to get people to stop whispering |
| 16:52.07 | cbreak | what does he need ten thousand of that? |
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| 16:52.31 | zenzelezz | as in offering 10k gold |
| 16:54.42 | kdtresh | but not really |
| 16:56.29 | zenzelezz | thus, being a wise-ass |
| 16:56.43 | kdtresh | precisely |
| 17:00.11 | Thunder_Child | would you two like a room now? |
| 17:05.24 | kd3 | brr |
| 17:05.30 | kd3 | 60s yesterday, 20s this morning |
| 17:11.14 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, big change |
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| 17:30.57 | Thunder_Child | that was odd...i just got kicked back to...:( world server down |
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| 17:36.04 | Hirsute | zenzelezz: Wow, hey at least your trade chat is full of something at least remotely connected to trade. |
| 17:36.19 | Hirsute | Mine's still full of dipsticks looking for group who refuse to use /4. |
| 17:37.44 | Hirsute | And when someone says, "Hey, you know that /4 is accessible to everyone in any major city now automatically, right?" they get all nerd-ragey and butthurt about not wanting to use the new system. |
| 17:38.27 | kdtresh | 12 year olds are resistant to change |
| 17:38.30 | kdtresh | and common sense |
| 17:39.15 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 17:39.25 | kdtresh | they'd rather [spam] in bed |
| 17:39.58 | Hirsute | It's funny to see them call the people who suggest they use the appropriate channel "nerd-ragers" when they're the ones getting upset, too. |
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| 17:40.29 | mitchnull | "Took a look at bazooka and was faced with a bewildering array of tooltops all over my minimap I could not deal with." <- anyone can make any sense out of it? |
| 17:41.07 | kdtresh | tooltops = minimap buttons? |
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| 17:41.39 | kdtresh | not a dialect i'm familiar with |
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| 17:48.55 | mitchnull | ah, it could be the same problem as Grum had |
| 17:49.15 | mitchnull | grum: ping |
| 17:49.31 | mitchnull | grum: what cause your minimap to be blastered with icons and how did you solve it? :) |
| 17:52.36 | Stanzilla | delete LibDBIcon :p |
| 17:53.39 | foxlit | Where did they hide loot options? |
| 17:53.52 | foxlit | "Controls". Gah! |
| 17:54.48 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: ping |
| 17:54.56 | nevcairiel | pong |
| 17:55.06 | Thunder_Child | can you scale the battle map? |
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| 17:57.14 | nevcairiel | probably somehow |
| 17:57.57 | Thunder_Child | it's teeny for me :( |
| 17:58.34 | amro | can someone with a wow install extract the tooltip tex somewhere? |
| 17:58.50 | mitchnull | thunder: don't play at 3200x2000 :) |
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| 17:59.28 | Thunder_Child | i play at 1600x900 with a "low" UI scale |
| 18:01.08 | nevcairiel | can someone ask on the wow forums for the reasoning that every QuestPOIFrame is explicitly protected? |
| 18:01.13 | nevcairiel | its driving me nuts with the map |
| 18:01.43 | foxlit | I thought you could post? :) |
| 18:01.50 | nevcairiel | not on US forums |
| 18:01.59 | foxlit | Hm. So I thought wrong. |
| 18:02.58 | nevcairiel | can't do anythign with the map anymore since the whole cluster gets protected <.< |
| 18:03.51 | foxlit | You can always roll your own. |
| 18:04.02 | nevcairiel | but not with a QuestPOIFrame on it |
| 18:04.02 | foxlit | Though meh, there's no reason to force you to do that. |
| 18:04.13 | nevcairiel | which drops functionality |
| 18:04.18 | nevcairiel | i just don't see why it would be protected |
| 18:04.26 | nevcairiel | its just a frame that can draw blobs on its own |
| 18:04.55 | foxlit | You can't fake a questpoiframe? |
| 18:05.32 | nevcairiel | not without a shitdown of work |
| 18:05.41 | nevcairiel | it alone draws those blue blobs on the map |
| 18:05.42 | foxlit | Ah, it's an actual widget type. |
| 18:05.45 | nevcairiel | for quest areas |
| 18:05.51 | nevcairiel | and its done in C |
| 18:06.06 | foxlit | And you probably don't have the data it uses. |
| 18:06.41 | nevcairiel | I'm not sure i could get those, but even if, i don't feel like drawing stuff on the map manually |
| 18:06.43 | nevcairiel | meh |
| 18:06.45 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder. |
| 18:07.09 | foxlit | I need to use more XML :/ |
| 18:08.33 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: write it up and i will post it |
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| 18:15.21 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5423288/mass-effect-2-is-full-of-stars |
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| 18:21.46 | Xuerian | nickserv identify goav |
| 18:21.48 | Xuerian | ... |
| 18:21.50 | Xuerian | sighs |
| 18:21.58 | Xuerian | wanders off to nickserv to change his password again. |
| 18:22.02 | kd3 | it's time for a new password |
| 18:22.03 | kd3 | har |
| 18:22.24 | ckknight | FIFTY DKP MINUS |
| 18:22.53 | Xuerian | I just woke up, leave meh aloneee T_T |
| 18:22.57 | kd3 | still can't figure out why clicking a specific search option in the autosuggest on curse still takes him to the search page instead of the selected page |
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| 18:32.15 | Yssaril | Xuerian: can't you set your irc client to auto ident you with nickserv? |
| 18:32.33 | Xuerian | Yssaril: It does. It also kicks immitators and reclaims my nick |
| 18:32.38 | Xuerian | but sometimes it misbehaves when I dc\ |
| 18:32.43 | Yssaril | ic |
| 18:33.03 | Lopeppeppy | I keep giving my calendar password to IRC lately, IT is getting sick of my resets... |
| 18:33.42 | Xuerian | So I DCd sometime last night, I get on this morning eyes half open and drooling... "grrr... must.. lgin.. again... *no slash*" |
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| 18:41.26 | zenzelezz | wonders if peppy's starting to figure where all the "Visit zenzelezz" entries in her calendar are coming from |
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| 18:48.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i hate the sun. |
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| 18:50.19 | Thunder_Child | you would be dead w/o it |
| 18:50.29 | NightHawkTheSane | arguably so. |
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| 18:55.05 | Seerah | cries |
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| 18:55.17 | Seerah | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29078 I already told them in the download comments *AND* a PM... |
| 18:57.02 | Grum | <mitchnull> grum: what cause your minimap to be blastered with icons and how did you solve it? :) <-- it ended up being Broker2Fubar |
| 18:58.01 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah, they want a candygram! |
| 18:58.12 | Seerah | >:D |
| 18:59.37 | Seerah | stupid YouTube doesn't have that skit :( |
| 18:59.53 | alestane | The Landshark? |
| 18:59.53 | Lopeppeppy | Candygram for Mongo? |
| 19:00.39 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: ah, it does have that, but I always forget about that scene. talking about SNL's landshark skit |
| 19:02.21 | alestane | "Invite him in, and offer him some oreos or something." |
| 19:02.27 | Fisker | WoW has built-in recount in Utgard Pinnacle |
| 19:02.31 | Fisker | Bane = Terribad DPS |
| 19:02.34 | Xuerian | Seerah: Users. If it doesn't work, it's working as intended. |
| 19:03.02 | Seerah | found it! http://www.spike.com/video/saturday-night-live/2802070?cid=YSSP |
| 19:03.43 | kdtresh | gives Seerah a cookie. |
| 19:04.11 | Seerah | nom nom nom |
| 19:07.34 | alestane | Isn't that Gilda Radner? |
| 19:07.51 | Fisker | i'm not outpugged yet ;_; |
| 19:08.01 | Seerah | alestane: yepp |
| 19:08.07 | Fisker | i need 2000 rep |
| 19:08.14 | Seerah | the first girl |
| 19:08.15 | Fisker | then i'm exalted with all horde expedition factions |
| 19:08.16 | Fisker | ;_; |
| 19:08.37 | mitchnull | grum: and is there an option in that to turn the minimap icons off, or you just disabled fubar2broker completely? |
| 19:08.45 | mitchnull | or broker2fubar |
| 19:08.57 | Grum | it was broker2fubar which i had from when i had a working fubar :P |
| 19:09.16 | Grum | and yeah turning it off vanished all double ones |
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| 19:09.18 | Grum | and the remainder i could just control from the menu |
| 19:09.48 | kdtresh | mitchnull: try /b2f and uncheck the stuff you don't need |
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| 19:10.35 | kdtresh | you can also tell it not to use minimap icon and instead push it off to the fubar bar(s) |
| 19:10.46 | Grum | you cant config b2f without fubar there O.o |
| 19:11.22 | alestane | Seerah: Who's the second one, then? |
| 19:12.04 | alestane | Also, I believe the sketch is originally much longer than that. |
| 19:12.15 | kdtresh | Grum: did the latest fubar update not work for you? |
| 19:12.31 | Grum | i didnt care for it |
| 19:12.37 | Grum | it was time to get rid of it |
| 19:12.39 | Grum | piece of shit :P |
| 19:14.47 | _rane | hey guys, not exactly the right place but BT4 is giving me "invalid bar id in options table" even after updating to the latest version |
| 19:14.59 | _rane | seems that even removing bt4 savedvariables didn't help |
| 19:15.27 | Thunder_Child | is bt4 showing up? |
| 19:15.30 | olafski | bleh random green gems are 10g now :o |
| 19:15.38 | _rane | Thunder_Child: nope |
| 19:15.40 | Seerah | alestane: couldn't remember her name, so I had to look it up: Laraine Newman |
| 19:15.58 | alestane | She looked even more familiar for some reason. |
| 19:16.03 | Thunder_Child | _rane: do you have button facade? |
| 19:16.08 | _rane | yes |
| 19:16.10 | Seerah | alestane: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0628170/ |
| 19:16.14 | Thunder_Child | disable or update that |
| 19:16.18 | Thunder_Child | it should fix it |
| 19:16.27 | _rane | Thunder_Child: thanks a lot, I hope so |
| 19:20.35 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 19:20.38 | Fisker | lets coun't to 10 |
| 19:20.39 | Fisker | 1 |
| 19:20.41 | Fisker | count |
| 19:20.46 | Thunder_Child | 1-10 |
| 19:20.55 | Fisker | screw yuo |
| 19:20.56 | Fisker | you |
| 19:21.07 | Thunder_Child | depends...how sexy are you? |
| 19:21.27 | kdtresh | lua>for i=1, 10 do print(i) end |
| 19:21.29 | lua_bot | kdtresh: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 |
| 19:22.21 | Adys | http://support.cox.com/sdccommon/asp/contentredirect.asp?sprt_cid=50490067-4919-490e-97f a year after being on the daily wtf, they still havent fixed it. |
| 19:23.41 | Seerah | lol |
| 19:24.26 | Thunder_Child | that assumes you care about the daily wtf |
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| 19:29.46 | Adys | where are the interface textures in the mpq? |
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| 19:32.41 | mikma | lua> local foo = "lol"; for i=1,5 do print(foo); foo=foo..foo; end |
| 19:32.41 | lua_bot | mikma: lol, lollol, lollollollol, lollollollollollollollol, lollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollol |
| 19:34.07 | Adys | lua>t="mikma sucks";for i=1,3 do print(t.."lolol");t=t.."lolol"..t end |
| 19:34.08 | lua_bot | Adys: mikma suckslolol, mikma suckslololmikma suckslolol, mikma suckslololmikma suckslololmikma suckslololmikma suckslolol |
| 19:34.18 | Adys | much better |
| 19:37.22 | Seerah | chants "calm blue ocean" |
| 19:38.40 | NightHawkTheSane | roiling teal sea? |
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| 19:46.02 | Cidan | yay |
| 19:46.04 | Cidan | review day |
| 19:46.05 | Cidan | \o/ |
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| 19:52.10 | Fisker | btw Thunder_Child |
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| 19:52.13 | Fisker | i heard you like pugs |
| 19:53.36 | Fisker | We heard you like pugs. So here's a pug for your pug, so you can pug while you pug. Or something. |
| 19:54.40 | Thunder_Child | you heard worng Fisker, i like to premade |
| 19:55.23 | olafski | 22 more people to pug with for a title ;p |
| 19:55.43 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Ravencrest&cn=Fiskerdin&gn=Semper+Danica <-my brain hurts |
| 19:55.50 | Fisker | luckily pugs aren't that bad if you're the tank |
| 19:56.03 | olafski | at least they're quick |
| 19:56.12 | olafski | I just did a run as dps, had to queue for 20 minutes |
| 19:56.18 | olafski | tanking is always instant fun |
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| 20:04.46 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: can you post http://pastey.net/130090 please? :) |
| 20:08.42 | Thunder_Child | shure nevcairiel, going to take a second, H occy |
| 20:09.34 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:12.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh. stupid fucking coworker. a script throws an exception on a particular line. I remove the method calls that lead tot hat line, he runs it again and he's like "ahah! now it works!" no fucking shit, dumbass. |
| 20:15.15 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: A. i assume you want it in the UI forum. B. what do you want the title to be? |
| 20:18.13 | olafski | has anyone made an addon yet which puts that green eye thing from the LFD queue on a broker bar? |
| 20:18.20 | olafski | cause it doesn't show on my carbonite minimap bar ;( |
| 20:18.51 | ajmitch | Fisker: pugs can be bad if you're the tank & the mobs are being AOEed before the tank touches them |
| 20:21.08 | foxlit | meh. |
| 20:21.14 | foxlit | That means you're not touching them fast enough. |
| 20:21.22 | foxlit | Touch them faster! Faster, I say! |
| 20:22.10 | ajmitch | that's why I carry a stack of rage pots for tanking in pugs |
| 20:22.19 | kdtresh | http://www.twincities.com/entertainment/ci_13965281 |
| 20:22.51 | NightHawkTheSane | touches foxlit faster. |
| 20:23.34 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: name it "WorldMapFrame protected as of 3.3?" or something |
| 20:25.09 | NightHawkTheSane | someone who doesn't understand *nix permissions/ownership shouldn't be running servers. |
| 20:25.23 | foxlit | so, the comic storyline ended. |
| 20:26.15 | foxlit | Hm, this UI sucks. |
| 20:26.34 | foxlit | "Would you like to join [Instance]? 2/3 bosses dead. [Yes] [No, Leave the queue and never return]" |
| 20:26.58 | foxlit | Should be [No, find me a fresh instance!] |
| 20:28.36 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21730604906&sid=1 |
| 20:28.40 | Cidan | I really want to try the new system this weekend |
| 20:28.46 | Cidan | It looks really awesome |
| 20:29.21 | NeoTron | as mentioned, it's especially awesome if you're a tank and proably somewhat lesser, if you're a healer |
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| 20:35.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i imagine if you're a tank or healer, and have a tank or healer friend, it'd be damn awesome. :P |
| 20:35.56 | NightHawkTheSane | :b4 |
| 20:36.03 | NightHawkTheSane | .. wrong window, again. >< |
| 20:36.11 | alestane | Cidan: It threw me into HToC when every PuG but one I've tried to do it with declared my health too low. |
| 20:36.20 | alestane | ...and funny thing, we made it. |
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| 20:37.49 | foxlit | "Transfer aborted: instance not found" |
| 20:38.14 | alestane | Yes, the downside is that the insance servers are getting flooded again. |
| 20:38.17 | alestane | sp* |
| 20:39.57 | ajmitch | wonders how low is 'too low' these days |
| 20:40.36 | NightHawkTheSane | urge to kill.. rising |
| 20:41.23 | Thunder_Child | has a simpsons flashback |
| 20:41.27 | foxlit | Will settle down once people get their triumph gear |
| 20:41.27 | alestane | ajmitch: about 24k. |
| 20:44.05 | ajmitch | it wouldn't surprise me to see people complaining about a tank with 30k now |
| 20:45.03 | mikma | i'm almost at 50k buffed, over 50 with shout |
| 20:45.12 | alestane | The refreshing thing about the dungeon finder is that it tries to match you with roughly similar gear levels. People are less likely to complain because they are less likely to have vastly better gear. |
| 20:45.16 | mikma | 39700 or so without any buffs |
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| 20:46.46 | alestane | And since you were assigned to the dungeon randomly, people are less likely to think you're getting ideas above your station in what you can do. |
| 20:47.02 | alestane | They might complain about the system, but they probably won't complain about you. |
| 20:49.27 | alestane | They might leave group, but they probably won't rant "what were you thinking?" |
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| 20:51.36 | NightHawkTheSane | and if they do leave group, you can probably easily replace them with less dumb people, through the same system :P |
| 20:52.35 | Hawlr | b ut it takes forever ot get one without a tnak in YOUR group |
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| 20:53.44 | Xuerian | Sounds like a good time to level my tank |
| 20:54.03 | NightHawkTheSane | its always a good time to level a tank |
| 20:54.05 | NightHawkTheSane | or a healer. |
| 20:54.06 | Hawlr | ya |
| 20:54.08 | Hawlr | xuer |
| 20:54.11 | Hawlr | ull get in instant |
| 20:54.20 | Xuerian | My main is a healer, just moved him to daggerspine/us |
| 20:54.25 | Shadowed | I swear |
| 20:54.32 | Shadowed | I want to smack the GearScore author |
| 20:54.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i need to copy my rogue over to laughing skull at some point too |
| 20:54.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowed: just smack? i'd like to do things that are probably war crimes. |
| 20:55.05 | Xuerian | Shadowed: It's a universal syndrome in games, a artificial number overcomes any semblance of skill. In wow, it's now gearscore. In HoN it's PSR, in DotA it's ping |
| 20:55.07 | NightHawkTheSane | same thing to the wow-heroes person/people |
| 20:55.07 | Shadowed | this time smack |
| 20:55.18 | Shadowed | Actually no, I want to smack him for being stupid, not for his addon |
| 20:55.26 | Xuerian | Oh, do tell |
| 20:55.27 | Shadowed | like the C&D in the addon |
| 20:55.41 | Xuerian | o_0; |
| 20:56.01 | Shadowed | He included a C&D into the addon package about GearScoreBreaker, and his addon was listed as public domain on curse |
| 20:56.09 | Shadowed | and just general threatening lawyer stuff |
| 20:56.31 | Xuerian | sigh -_- |
| 20:56.51 | NightHawkTheSane | so he's not just some idiot with a dumb idea, but a douchebag idiot with a dumb idea. |
| 20:57.06 | Shadowed | yes |
| 20:57.45 | Shadowed | and I quote from the C&D: "2. pay a licensing fee in the amount of $2,250 / year;" |
| 20:58.10 | Xuerian | Reminds me of when that lawyer popped up and wanted to probono copyright suits |
| 20:58.21 | Shadowed | When was this? |
| 20:58.26 | Xuerian | A couple years back? |
| 20:58.31 | mikma | for what was this? |
| 20:58.34 | Shadowed | huh must have missed that |
| 20:59.04 | Kazie | How do i check if a player is the master looter? |
| 20:59.05 | Xuerian | I don't really remember much, just rage at the dude for suggesting more friction |
| 20:59.24 | Kazie | Or which strings or stuff should i use? |
| 20:59.40 | alestane | This was about a year ago, I think. |
| 20:59.49 | ZorbaTHut | I wish there was some way I could say "all instances as tank or dps, except I don't want to tank these two", and have it still count as random |
| 20:59.56 | alestane | He was offering to help add-on authors patent their algorithms. |
| 21:00.37 | Xuerian | Kazie: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetLootMethod |
| 21:00.51 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, I'm vaguely tempted to make a better gearscore *just to fuck with him* |
| 21:01.01 | Xuerian | ZorbaTHut: Do it faggot. |
| 21:01.03 | alestane | Xuerian: I actually do believe that guy thought he was helping. |
| 21:01.09 | ZorbaTHut | eh. time. |
| 21:01.10 | Xuerian | alestane: That was the scary things |
| 21:01.11 | Xuerian | *thing, rather |
| 21:01.31 | Xuerian | Reminds me of the attorney drones from Shlock Mercenaries |
| 21:01.40 | ZorbaTHut | you want to debug the crash I'm getting in one of my personal projects? you fix it, I'll start working on it :P (note: you do not want to do this, trust me) |
| 21:01.45 | Kazie | ZorbaTHut: yea.. seriously.. people are on such a streak to fuck the game up, at least pug wise.. i beg you.. do it. it can only be better. |
| 21:01.58 | Xuerian | ZorbaTHut: I'll see your offer and keep my sanity, thanks |
| 21:02.36 | ZorbaTHut | xuerian, good choice |
| 21:02.57 | Xuerian | If this was a different community I might pick differently, but I've seen the twisted shit that comes out of this game's addons |
| 21:03.12 | Xuerian | Hell, I've written some of it :D |
| 21:03.22 | Xuerian | shudders at the memory of writing AnchorsAway. |
| 21:07.10 | Xuerian | Oh, if anyone hasn't seen it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E-47VmFopE |
| 21:08.15 | ZorbaTHut | oh, it's not an addon, it's a standalone program. I can have all sorts of awesome bugs in that that aren't practical in WoW. |
| 21:08.46 | Xuerian | ZorbaTHut: What's id do o.0 |
| 21:08.56 | Xuerian | gives up on typing correctly. |
| 21:09.05 | ZorbaTHut | xuerian, it's a build tool, like SCons or GNU make, but less crappy. Written in Lua. |
| 21:09.14 | ZorbaTHut | I'm having some trouble with (I think) the linking step |
| 21:09.21 | Xuerian | You have fun with that <_< |
| 21:09.32 | ZorbaTHut | sometimes when it's run, it just locks up completely for a bit. |
| 21:09.57 | Xuerian | The closest I've gotten to a build tool is make && make install |
| 21:10.15 | ZorbaTHut | no useful stack trace - it doesn't even let gdb pick up a stack trace, I've tried - 0% CPU usage, no actual crash. Acts like a deadlock, except there's no deadlock because there are no goddamn threads. |
| 21:10.32 | ZorbaTHut | It's not yet competing for the worst bug I've ever worked on, but it's probably in the top ten. |
| 21:10.57 | ZorbaTHut | oh, it's also somewhat nondeterministic and very rare, and it often goes away when I add debug output. |
| 21:13.01 | ZorbaTHut | sounds like fun doesn't it |
| 21:15.09 | VonhintenHOME` | Zorba, I've had many many bugs like that... |
| 21:16.16 | VonhintenHOME` | One of the nastiest bugs I've ever run into was related to covariant returns with multiple inheritence... would randomly crap out in RIAA |
| 21:16.18 | theorbtwo | ZorbaTHut: Try valgrind? |
| 21:16.29 | ZorbaTHut | theorb, running on cygwin, I'm not sure valgrind works |
| 21:16.46 | VonhintenHOME` | lol, RIAA, RTTI |
| 21:16.58 | foxlit | Hm, strange. |
| 21:17.08 | foxlit | Vote to kick -> I timed out -> kick succeeded. |
| 21:17.28 | foxlit | I am under the impression it should've failed. |
| 21:17.39 | foxlit | Wonder if the requirements for kicking offline players are different. |
| 21:17.41 | Adys | finally |
| 21:17.51 | Adys | done with my torrent extractor for the blizzard downloaders |
| 21:18.02 | Adys | took me 15 minutes to write it |
| 21:18.12 | Adys | i wanted to do that since last year :/ |
| 21:18.51 | VonhintenHOME` | Actually, adding debug output, instrumenting code, I've stopped doing, since they added breakpoint code execution to VS |
| 21:18.58 | VonhintenHOME` | it's sexeh |
| 21:19.56 | VonhintenHOME` | they need to add more windbg functionality to VS imo |
| 21:20.01 | mikma | adys: why did you need it? |
| 21:20.15 | Adys | I dont remember |
| 21:20.21 | Adys | it was sitting on my todo list |
| 21:20.58 | Adys | anyway, anybody needs it? (warning: its in python) |
| 21:22.22 | mikma | so what does it do and whyyyyyyyyyy |
| 21:22.25 | VonhintenHOME` | How did you find the torrent in the downloader? Did they change something? Last time I tried to write it, I couldn't find the location |
| 21:24.09 | Adys | I parse until d8:announce |
| 21:24.13 | Adys | theres probably an easier way |
| 21:24.15 | Adys | well |
| 21:24.17 | Adys | a less ugly one |
| 21:24.23 | Adys | db.mmo-champion.com/adys/extor.tar.gz |
| 21:24.45 | mikma | fugly-adys lol lol lol |
| 21:24.54 | VonhintenHOME` | Hmm, last time I looked at the exe, there was extra crap past that |
| 21:25.06 | Adys | yeah there is |
| 21:25.16 | Adys | the dencode decoder takes care of that |
| 21:25.33 | Adys | decoded, length = decode_dict(datafrom, 0) |
| 21:25.33 | Adys | datafrom = datafrom[:length] |
| 21:25.34 | VonhintenHOME` | hmm |
| 21:27.03 | VonhintenHOME` | I don't know why they just didn't put it in the exe as a goddamn resource |
| 21:27.33 | Ginji | I wonder why they won't let me specify the port the downloader should be working on |
| 21:28.21 | Ginji | And why they don't just release the torrent seperatly |
| 21:28.25 | VonhintenHOME` | too complicated for mass consumption |
| 21:28.40 | Ginji | the masses don't need the option |
| 21:28.44 | Ginji | the masses will just leave it as is |
| 21:28.59 | Ginji | Or are you saying the masses know the ins and outs of the windows OS? |
| 21:29.11 | VonhintenHOME` | Their downloader works for the lowest common denominator... |
| 21:29.22 | VonhintenHOME` | The lowest common denominator isn't the guy who knows nothing |
| 21:29.30 | VonhintenHOME` | It's the guy who knows nothing AND likes to fuck with settings |
| 21:30.00 | Ginji | Which is why there's a "Reset to Defaults" button on every screen of windows ... |
| 21:30.11 | Ginji | So my point still stands |
| 21:30.21 | Ginji | It's not like it's hard .. |
| 21:31.09 | VonhintenHOME` | it's probably about making it work with the least amount of support. You add options, you have to support them... answering questions on the forums from dumbasses that proclaim "IT NO WERK!" |
| 21:31.33 | Ginji | "Have you tried removing the WDB and WTF folders" ... |
| 21:31.44 | VonhintenHOME` | which is why there's the HTTP bridge built in, for people who no undastand fiawall |
| 21:32.35 | Ginji | You're being silly and I'm done arguing this oh so complicated feature |
| 21:32.42 | Ginji | Ginji .. Out! |
| 21:33.27 | cogwheel | ~seen cide |
| 21:33.28 | purl | cide <n=Cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 6d 3h 36m 17s ago, saying: 'hi Shirik'. |
| 21:33.35 | Adys | ~seen Cide- |
| 21:33.36 | purl | cide- <n=Cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 3d 12h 32m 23s ago, saying: 'did I mention I hate php?'. |
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| 21:59.15 | industrial | unable to validate game version ??? |
| 21:59.25 | industrial | .. now it works |
| 21:59.53 | cbreak | had the same just before when I got dced |
| 21:59.59 | cbreak | no one else of my guild did though |
| 22:00.03 | cbreak | was strange |
| 22:05.06 | olafski | bleh my ignore list is empty yet "you can't ignore any more players" :< |
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| 22:16.43 | Adys | olafski: welcome to WoW "Hard Mode" |
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| 22:20.26 | olafski | hehe |
| 22:20.33 | olafski | it was a guy from my own server even |
| 22:20.42 | olafski | but I wanted to put him on ignore so the lfd system wouldn't pair me with him anymore >_< |
| 22:22.08 | Adys | ~wwquotes |
| 22:22.09 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowwiki/irc-quotes |
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| 22:45.58 | ZorbaTHut | how odd, they added a quest in Searing Gorge |
| 22:46.30 | kd3 | !? |
| 22:46.32 | theorbtwo | It seems like they're doing a lot of things to add in foreshadowing for Cataclysm. |
| 22:46.56 | ZorbaTHut | it doesn't foreshadow anything, though |
| 22:47.01 | ZorbaTHut | it's a quest about stealing dark iron pillows |
| 22:47.15 | theorbtwo | Er... um... OK. |
| 22:47.29 | theorbtwo | Dark iron doesn't seem like a terribly good thing to make pillows out of. |
| 22:47.31 | theorbtwo | ducks. |
| 22:47.31 | ZorbaTHut | I'd link to it on wowhead but it's not on wowhead yet ;) |
| 22:47.48 | kd3 | so that reminds me... has anyone written a mod to take advantage of the new quest history api call? |
| 22:48.06 | Shirik|zZz | ugh |
| 22:48.07 | ZorbaTHut | I'd say they were trying to test out some new gameplay mechanics or code, but there wasn't anything new with it, so, I dunno |
| 22:48.12 | ZorbaTHut | kd3, many people. questhelper supports it properly, for example. |
| 22:48.15 | Shirik|zZz | I wake up and it's pitch balack outside |
| 22:48.33 | theorbtwo | I wonder, does everyquest... |
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| 22:51.00 | Polarina | Hello. |
| 22:51.48 | theorbtwo | Anybody know if 3.3 has landed in EU? (And a better question, but a harder one, if I can be arsed downloading it.) |
| 22:51.58 | kd3 | it should've landed yesterday |
| 22:52.00 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 22:52.02 | Fisker | you lied to me |
| 22:52.14 | kd3 | wonders what he lied about this time |
| 22:52.25 | Fisker | Automaton doesn't work for guild repairs |
| 22:52.28 | Fisker | only if they're available |
| 22:52.34 | Fisker | if not it'll fail like the failure it is |
| 22:52.35 | Fisker | booo |
| 22:52.45 | Polarina | theorbtwo: It has. |
| 22:52.47 | theorbtwo | Hard to automate doing the impossible. |
| 22:52.55 | theorbtwo | Polarina: Thanks. |
| 22:53.02 | Fisker | are you making fun of my mother theorbtwo ? |
| 22:53.08 | Polarina | theorbtwo: At least 4 of my friends over here say so. |
| 22:53.29 | theorbtwo | Fisker: No, your mother is very doable. |
| 22:54.36 | Fisker | goodnight then |
| 22:54.55 | cbreak | http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyimages/1329.gif |
| 22:54.57 | cbreak | not fair... |
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| 23:12.38 | Shirik | Kraps :( |
| 23:12.54 | Shirik | I made a simple comment at AfD and it has spiralled out of control :P |
| 23:13.09 | Shirik | 3 screens full of policy debate! |
| 23:13.48 | NightHawkTheSane | you just break everything, don't you Shirik. :P |
| 23:13.56 | Shirik | I was just following the norm! |
| 23:14.29 | bleeter | wtf, the 'star' character of Cloudy With Chance of Meatballs is a geeky nerdy type called 'Flint Lockwood'? |
| 23:14.48 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:14.51 | Shirik | really? |
| 23:15.15 | WobWork | duh =P |
| 23:15.30 | WobWork | Shirik: AfD? |
| 23:15.42 | Shirik | articles for deletion |
| 23:15.58 | bleeter | Shirik: delete the whole lot |
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| 23:20.56 | Shirik | there you go NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:20.58 | Shirik | now it's really broke |
| 23:21.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 23:21.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ~failrik |
| 23:21.05 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 23:21.19 | Shirik | cannot connect to database :P |
| 23:21.32 | NightHawkTheSane | you're like the opposite of midas. ;) |
| 23:22.04 | Shirik | I would make a good QA engineer |
| 23:23.07 | ScytheBlade1 | nah you just break stuff |
| 23:23.48 | Shirik | isn't that what QA's supposed to do? |
| 23:24.03 | Adys | its exactly what qa's supposed to do |
| 23:24.08 | Adys | thing is |
| 23:24.20 | Adys | when you're in contact with blizzard long enough |
| 23:24.35 | Adys | you like to think its so easy to be a QA guy because its so easy to break their shit |
| 23:24.55 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:25.01 | Shirik | Adys breaks shit without it even being broken |
| 23:25.18 | Adys | isnt that the definition of "breaking"? |
| 23:25.30 | Shirik | well |
| 23:25.33 | Shirik | not in software >< |
| 23:25.41 | durcyn | high int, low wis |
| 23:25.45 | durcyn | &c. |
| 23:26.07 | Shirik | &c? What is the type of c? |
| 23:26.32 | durcyn | no, as in 'and cetera', as in 'et cetera', as in being cutesy with the latin, natch? |
| 23:27.32 | cogwheel | ~Shirik-- |
| 23:27.37 | Shirik | :( what |
| 23:27.42 | Adys | ~cogwheel-- |
| 23:27.50 | Shirik | you know what, I'm never going to talk again |
| 23:27.52 | Shirik | you all are mean |
| 23:27.55 | cogwheel | & is an abbreviation for et |
| 23:28.02 | industrial | sits on Shirik's lap |
| 23:28.11 | industrial | I'm not mean. |
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| 23:28.22 | WobWork | You just have a bony arse |
| 23:28.34 | NeoTron | cogwheel: concerning your .. facebook faceoff |
| 23:28.36 | industrial | lmao |
| 23:28.37 | NeoTron | this argument wins, clearly: http://www.bradblog.com/Images/JoelPett_ClimateSummitHoaxForNothing_120709.jpg |
| 23:28.57 | jnwhiteh | NeoTron: perfect |
| 23:29.04 | cogwheel | NeoTron: lol |
| 23:29.15 | industrial | oh man >< |
| 23:29.16 | Adys | yeah |
| 23:32.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ~NeoTron++ |
| 23:34.49 | cogwheel | "More Americans believe in guardian angels than humans' role in global warming" <-- I wonder if there's some cause and effect going on there... |
| 23:36.19 | cogwheel | ~karma cogwheel |
| 23:36.19 | purl | cogwheel has karma of 5 |
| 23:36.23 | cogwheel | ~karma shirik |
| 23:36.24 | purl | shirik has karma of 8 |
| 23:36.27 | cogwheel | QQ |
| 23:36.40 | cogwheel | ~adys-- |
| 23:42.18 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. |
| 23:42.24 | NightHawkTheSane | ~karma NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:42.24 | purl | nighthawkthesane has karma of 4 |
| 23:42.28 | NightHawkTheSane | :o |
| 23:44.54 | Polarina | What was that site with patch diff's for the WoW UI? |
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| 23:46.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ~wowcomapres |
| 23:46.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ~wowcompares |
| 23:46.24 | purl | [wowcompares] http://wowcompares.com, which is currently not working properly. In the meantime you can view the changes to WoW's FrameXML at http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or on GitHub at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/tree/master/FrameXML |
| 23:46.38 | NightHawkTheSane | I think that's actually incorrect, wowcompares should be up and running now. |
| 23:46.51 | NightHawkTheSane | but i imagine the other sites listed also work. |
| 23:47.23 | Polarina | NightHawkTheSane: Thanks. |
| 23:50.58 | cogwheel | ~lart Dungeon Cooldown |
| 23:50.59 | purl | whacks Dungeon Cooldown upside the head |
| 23:51.14 | Pneumatus | it is up, but it's still nowhere near as usuable as it was previously |
| 23:51.18 | Pneumatus | for comparison purposes, anyway |
| 23:52.50 | foxlit | http://www.wow.com/2009/12/09/the-single-greatest-thing-that-has-ever-happened-ingame/comments/23825820/ |
| 23:53.34 | foxlit | To the tune of Rocket Man. |
| 23:55.40 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: it's not "wow.com shuts down" so i doubt it's the single -greatest- thing. |
| 23:55.56 | foxlit | You're missing -ingame |
| 23:56.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno, i think that would qualify still ;) |
