| 00:00.47 | Dagmar | See in particular, file-local variables |
| 00:01.02 | Dagmar | You actually _can_ put them outside of functions |
| 00:02.32 | Zernin | I need a better development enviroment... |
| 00:02.49 | Zernin | I have some miniscule error in my XML that I can't track down :( |
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| 00:03.57 | Xzibit | well i did there put it as local. but that didnt make a difference in my error :/ |
| 00:04.38 | Xzibit | maybe its because i have this - message(KILLS); |
| 00:04.47 | Xzibit | KILLS is the local variable defined before the function |
| 00:06.33 | Zernin | Anyone got links for some favorite IDEs with some WoW integration of some sort? |
| 00:06.59 | Xzibit | i got it Dagmar,,, it had nothing to do with the Variable it had to do with my "messege()" call .. thanks |
| 00:12.14 | batrick | Shirik: pong |
| 00:14.48 | ckknight | Zernin: what OS? |
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| 00:18.17 | batrick | Someone know how to turn ascii hexadecimal string to its corresponding binary form (an array of chars) in C? |
| 00:18.31 | batrick | i'm looking for a C library function but can't find it |
| 00:18.33 | batrick | Shirik: ^ |
| 00:18.55 | ccox | generally you convert the hex to an int, then the int to ascii |
| 00:21.07 | batrick | ya well i haven't found the function to covert hex to int |
| 00:21.13 | batrick | my mind is drawing a blank |
| 00:25.58 | batrick | strtoul voila |
| 00:45.40 | Amarande | heh, you know something just occurred to me |
| 00:45.51 | Amarande | about the one time someone got mightily pissed off at a hunter rolling Need on Alanna's Embrace |
| 00:46.23 | Amarande | you know, that's actually not all bad for a hunter at that level, if you're MM anyway |
| 00:46.54 | Amarande | not the best, certainly, but not utter trash either. |
| 00:46.58 | Amarande | I forget ... does spellpower add to arcane shot? |
| 00:47.19 | Amarande | the int definitely adds to AP, anyway, for MM hunters |
| 00:47.21 | WobWork | no |
| 00:47.42 | WobWork | well not anymore I don't believe |
| 00:47.55 | NightHawkTheSane | arcane scales with ap these days |
| 00:48.03 | Amarande | of course, when cata comes out, that spellpower will be Int anyway |
| 00:48.07 | NightHawkTheSane | and nearly every hunter spec worth a damn includes the int->ap conversion talent |
| 00:48.21 | Amarande | so yeah, it's actually not the most idiotic hunter need roll LOL |
| 00:48.23 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane is definitely right |
| 00:48.48 | WobWork | well it's pretty terrible |
| 00:48.49 | Amarande | so right now ... spellpower only works on what, mend pet? |
| 00:48.53 | WobWork | not even |
| 00:48.59 | Dagmar | It's definitely one of the more efficient ways to spend talent points for damage |
| 00:49.17 | Dagmar | Amarande: Anything with spellpower on it will not even marginally help you |
| 00:49.18 | WobWork | actually it's a pretty idiotic hunter need roll |
| 00:49.28 | Amarande | Yeah, it won't be a decent one till Cata |
| 00:49.40 | WobWork | spirit is pretty pointless |
| 00:49.42 | Amarande | In Cata, it actually would give a decent amount of AP since the SP will be Int |
| 00:49.42 | Dagmar | God only knows _what_ it'll be in Cataclysm |
| 00:49.50 | WobWork | since we don't depend on mp5 really |
| 00:49.53 | Amarande | Wob: okay, have you played MM lately? :) |
| 00:50.03 | Dagmar | It's basically shammy mail if it's got SP on it, far as I care |
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| 00:50.07 | Amarande | do you know *how* often pre-60 hunters RUN OUT OF MANA without having to cripple themselves with AotV? |
| 00:50.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: no basically about it |
| 00:50.18 | Dagmar | I figure it's likely to still be itemized for shammies after cataclysm |
| 00:50.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: not that often if you're not fucking terrible |
| 00:50.26 | Amarande | actually, Alanna's is cloth |
| 00:50.38 | ccox | Amarande: yep, just finished levelling a huntard |
| 00:50.39 | Amarande | ele shammies might like it though |
| 00:50.52 | Dagmar | Amarande: Got news for you bub, unless you're in a 25-man or flanked on every side by regen sources, you run out of mana at 80 too |
| 00:50.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: post-cata hunters and enh shammies wont be int-based anymore |
| 00:50.59 | Dagmar | I'm aware |
| 00:51.01 | WobWork | yes |
| 00:51.01 | Amarande | Night: when solo questing, anyway, if I use Hawk I tend to burn through my mana within a couple of mobs and either need to stop to drink or use viper for a mob or two to top up |
| 00:51.06 | ccox | kill 5 mobs, go on viper, kill 2 SLOWED to get mana back, repeat |
| 00:51.07 | Dagmar | Still pisses me off they took away my tea recipe. |
| 00:51.08 | Dagmar | heh |
| 00:51.10 | NightHawkTheSane | so int mail will be resto/ele, agi mail will be hunter/enh |
| 00:51.16 | WobWork | the only thing worthwhile on that item is the int =P |
| 00:51.22 | WobWork | which means it's a terrible need roll |
| 00:51.53 | WobWork | the whole point of viper is that we don't depend on mp5 |
| 00:51.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: yeah, i imagine you did know, that was more for Amarande's benefit, who despite saying a lot, manages to know almost nothing |
| 00:52.01 | Dagmar | Amarande: Honestly, hunter gear itemization post 80 is kinda dull |
| 00:52.24 | Amarande | Mainly, I remember Alanna's as an item I wanted on both my priest and my warlock at that level, but never saw till much later. :) |
| 00:52.48 | Dagmar | Amarande: ilevel 200 and up, there's pretty much one piece of ideal gear per ilevel, and the rest are all someone else's spec |
| 00:52.50 | Amarande | I keep the one I found on my warlock during Argent Dawn grinding in my bank as a "I finally got it" souvenir, anyway. |
| 00:52.56 | WobWork | if a hunter rolls on Alanna's they're just propogating the 'everything is hunter loot' myth =P |
| 00:53.04 | Amarande | Wob: unless they're a chanter, I suppose |
| 00:53.06 | NightHawkTheSane | and, er, frankly, who the FUCK is getting alanna's embrace at a level where its even remotely useful? |
| 00:53.11 | Amarande | except nexus crystals are worthless too :| |
| 00:53.24 | Amarande | Night: if I still had a clothie I was planning to level up, maybe after 3.3 |
| 00:53.25 | NightHawkTheSane | anyone who's owns BC and isn't.. bad.. will have something better from outland |
| 00:53.34 | Amarande | since once 3.3 comes out, I plan to instance A LOT on the way up. |
| 00:53.38 | WobWork | and really.. if you're itemising for spirit, instead of more important stats, you're doing something wrong |
| 00:53.43 | Amarande | probably stop to do every instance I don't outlevel, if the queues are reasonable. |
| 00:53.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: well is said isn't bad, so.. that kind of discounts you |
| 00:53.55 | Amarande | Wob: cata will let you swap stats. :) |
| 00:54.05 | WobWork | god knows what cata will do =( |
| 00:54.06 | Amarande | Night: I avoid Outland till 60-62, normally |
| 00:54.23 | WobWork | Ramps is great to level grind with at 58 =) |
| 00:54.26 | NightHawkTheSane | i repeat my previous statement. |
| 00:54.33 | Dagmar | You've lost your mind |
| 00:54.39 | Amarande | It helps me actually do quests in a reasonable amount of time without having to constantly stop to fight while going between questing areas because some stupid helboar caught my scent. :P |
| 00:54.46 | Amarande | Because Hellfire is boring enough to quest in as it IS. |
| 00:55.00 | WobWork | it's much nicer if you can fly |
| 00:55.00 | Dagmar | I was there for less time than you even want to contemplate on my last run up |
| 00:55.01 | Amarande | Not to mention at 60-62 I could skip straight to Zangarmarsh if I wanted. |
| 00:55.06 | Dagmar | I went there as soon as they'd let me in the door |
| 00:55.23 | Amarande | All I'd have to do in Hellfire would be the line to get neutral with Mag'har so I don't run into trouble in Nagrand. |
| 00:55.37 | Dagmar | ...because that's multiple levels where XP is practically doubled per quest from what you were getting in the old lands. |
| 00:55.45 | Amarande | Dagmar: I did that on my priest, and hated Hellfire with a passion |
| 00:55.56 | Amarande | because one, until I actually had managed to complete some quests, I was horrifically squishy |
| 00:56.00 | Dagmar | Turn that hate into destructive fury |
| 00:56.19 | Amarande | and two, because I was constantly having to stop and fight when trying to get between places because at 58 you aggro like, EVERYTHING YOU CAN EVEN SEE heh |
| 00:56.30 | Dagmar | That's extra XP and beer money |
| 00:56.57 | Dagmar | ...and freqently "OMG THE STATS!" upgrades from random greens |
| 00:57.13 | WobWork | at 60... geez, instant flight form is such an amazing thing =P |
| 00:57.18 | Dagmar | Unless you were stuck at 60 a while, the new gear you snag in Outlands is worth it as well |
| 00:58.23 | Amarande | Wob: well |
| 00:58.31 | Amarande | last time I had a character make the transition to outland |
| 00:58.36 | Amarande | it was back when you still had to be 70 to get flight |
| 00:58.53 | Amarande | I still only currently have two 60+ characters, one is my 80 who's had epic flight for ages now |
| 00:59.01 | Amarande | and the other is a 65 who, well ... is still grounded |
| 00:59.10 | Amarande | and probably will be till I finish futzing with professions |
| 00:59.14 | Dagmar | There is very little XP in the air |
| 00:59.24 | Amarande | because the cost of flight is something I could be spending on mats |
| 00:59.42 | Dagmar | You're kidding, right? |
| 00:59.51 | NightHawkTheSane | (sadly, i'm sure he isnt) |
| 01:00.03 | Dagmar | How much money are you blowing on ale and whores? |
| 01:00.19 | Dagmar | Flight costs are pretty much always trivial |
| 01:01.03 | Dagmar | I mean, you get off the transport, kill two mobs, there's your bus fare to the next leg |
| 01:01.15 | Amarande | what's the cost of flight training now? |
| 01:01.15 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, its what.. 250g or somesuch? |
| 01:01.15 | Amarande | ah 200-250g |
| 01:01.15 | Amarande | yeah, that should be affordable soonish |
| 01:01.17 | Amarande | it wasn't during the great BS grind though |
| 01:01.23 | Amarande | because that much thorium just costs THAT much |
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| 01:02.00 | Dagmar | I didn't even bother buying a flying mount on my DK until 77 |
| 01:02.07 | Dagmar | Too busy leveling to go buy one. |
| 01:02.14 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, its barely worth it |
| 01:02.17 | NightHawkTheSane | even now |
| 01:02.25 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I spend all my money on ale and whores. |
| 01:02.38 | Dagmar | Lunessa: ah so you get the reference at least |
| 01:02.47 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Yes. |
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| 01:03.42 | Thunder_Child | "Knockbacks no longer dismount players." <3 |
| 01:04.06 | Dagmar | I suppose death still dismounts players at least |
| 01:04.19 | Thunder_Child | death isnt a knockback |
| 01:04.45 | WobWork | It's merely a setback |
| 01:04.46 | Dagmar | Well, as long as they don't bring back "slightly damp spots will dismount players" |
| 01:04.55 | Thunder_Child | "Many of the tail sweeps with knockback effects will no longer hit playersâ pets. " now i have to find something else to lol about during ony fights |
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| 01:05.12 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: I was always amused at "SUPARKITTY" |
| 01:05.24 | Dagmar | I dunno, I kinda liked watching my wolf go sailing across the room |
| 01:05.31 | WobWork | and the silly druids who moved the wrong way |
| 01:05.40 | WobWork | and forgot that kittypounce would get them back |
| 01:05.41 | Dagmar | It doesn't hurt 'em enough to really endanger them |
| 01:05.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i liked pets getting knocked back :( |
| 01:05.58 | Lunessa | Does anyone remember when the bridges in Stranglethorn Vale would dismount you? |
| 01:06.01 | NightHawkTheSane | let me pad the healing meters on ony ;) |
| 01:06.08 | kd3 | Lunessa, grr |
| 01:06.12 | Dagmar | If they were getting tailswiped for say, 10k, that would be another matter |
| 01:06.39 | Lunessa | kd3: I see you too suffered the epic ganking that was StV at launch. |
| 01:07.11 | kd3 | ok, random question... is there an api call to get the bind type of an item? or just parsing the tooltip |
| 01:07.16 | Dagmar | Wobin: Although honestly, I don't see how people can do Ony with a pet without a five button mouse |
| 01:07.27 | Gnarfoz | !api GetItemStats |
| 01:07.28 | lua_bot | GetItemStats: Returns a summary of an item's stat bonuses (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemStats) |
| 01:07.32 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: click... |
| 01:07.47 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: *dubious look* |
| 01:08.06 | NightHawkTheSane | what does a 5 button mouse get you that a set of sane binds doesn't? |
| 01:08.14 | NightHawkTheSane | says the guy with a 10 button mouse... |
| 01:08.19 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 01:08.37 | Dagmar | The ability to devote a finger to controlling the pet |
| 01:09.14 | Amarande | wow, before reading in #wowwiki I didn't realize how imba alliance races are. |
| 01:09.28 | Amarande | Gnomes get a very measurable superiority in DPS over all other casters? |
| 01:09.33 | Amarande | Fucking gnomes. :| |
| 01:09.48 | Amarande | I guess they had to give you SOME reward for playing the lamest race in the game though. :) |
| 01:09.58 | Dagmar | qq more |
| 01:10.01 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, is intellect a significant dps stat right now? |
| 01:10.20 | kd3 | ^ |
| 01:10.26 | ZorbaBeta | anywya, orcs get a measurable superiority in DPS over all other *races*, caster or not |
| 01:10.31 | WobWork | for gnome hunters! |
| 01:10.32 | NightHawkTheSane | did anyone else read that and hear "i listen to everything anyoen on the internet tells me!" |
| 01:10.44 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: or gnome shaman |
| 01:10.49 | WobWork | yeah =( |
| 01:10.52 | WobWork | damn those gnome shaman |
| 01:10.54 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: I read it as "<Amarande> blah blah rant rant", as usual ;P |
| 01:11.01 | Amarande | Zorba: yeah, I've heard there's some really hardcore raid guilds on horde that have pretty much "encouraged" all their non-orc members to take advantage of Paid Race Change LOL |
| 01:11.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: also possible ;) |
| 01:11.18 | ZorbaBeta | apparently they're redesigning racials in 4.0 |
| 01:11.18 | Lunessa | Someone come put me out of my misery. This headache/earache is just getting worse. |
| 01:11.18 | ZorbaBeta | again |
| 01:11.20 | Amarande | will not orcify. |
| 01:11.22 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: people changed to BElf for the silence. |
| 01:11.22 | ZorbaBeta | to make them more powerful |
| 01:11.23 | ZorbaBeta | again |
| 01:11.29 | WobWork | shoots Lunessa in the foot |
| 01:11.32 | ZorbaBeta | I certainly don't foresee any balance issues coming out of this! |
| 01:11.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i've heard of people changing to troll for the haste |
| 01:11.50 | WobWork | hehe people used to roll dwarf priests |
| 01:11.51 | Lunessa | dies of additional shock. |
| 01:11.53 | WobWork | for the fear ward |
| 01:11.53 | NightHawkTheSane | although i only ever hear it as being "its nice, but probably not worth the money" |
| 01:11.59 | Amarande | I usually roll BElf or Undead when I can simply because it makes 1-10 a lot more convenient. |
| 01:12.02 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 01:12.09 | ZorbaBeta | I play Draenei because Draenei are awesome. I will continue playing Draenei because Draenei are awesome. That is all there is to it. |
| 01:12.15 | WobWork | pft |
| 01:12.18 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 01:12.21 | WobWork | goatface |
| 01:12.32 | WobWork | Tauren are clearly superior |
| 01:12.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i play whatever i feel like, because most of the races are reasonably balanced, all things considered. |
| 01:12.33 | Amarande | Plus, Belves are fairly pleasing to the eye, which is important when you're, say, galloping around EPL for hours and hours farming thorium for your orc hunter to grind BS with. |
| 01:13.22 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/cUUhW.jpg \o/ |
| 01:13.30 | WobWork | I never really understood the argument of "Well, if I'm going to be staring at the behind of my character all day, it might as well be "<insert X race/gender here>" |
| 01:13.46 | WobWork | cause who the fuck spends all the time looking at their character's behind? |
| 01:13.55 | WobWork | you should be watching everything -else- =P |
| 01:14.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: what am i looking at? :P |
| 01:14.24 | Antiarc | NightHawkTheSane: I'm using a custom d3d driver that post-processes depending on screen brightness |
| 01:14.29 | WobWork | It's really dark =P |
| 01:14.34 | Antiarc | That's because ICC is dark. |
| 01:14.35 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/54kA3.jpg |
| 01:14.41 | Antiarc | That's a with/without shot |
| 01:14.41 | NightHawkTheSane | interesting |
| 01:14.55 | NightHawkTheSane | thats kinda neat |
| 01:16.02 | Amarande | Wob: depends. if you're doing stuff like farming low level mats for an alt, you're not going to aggro anything, and thus hardly have anything else to watch for besides the tracking dots on your minimap. :) |
| 01:16.06 | Antiarc | It looks far better in motion |
| 01:16.21 | WobWork | Amarande: that's what the HUD for sexymap is for |
| 01:16.55 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: and with the amount of graphical fluff on most armor that people are wearing these days, any race can easily pass for msot others. |
| 01:16.58 | WobWork | also, that's what a second monitor is for |
| 01:17.11 | Dagmar | WobWork: I've always suspected the people making that argument have problems not fapping |
| 01:17.16 | WobWork | indeed |
| 01:18.04 | WobWork | Personally, I play tauren |
| 01:18.09 | WobWork | cause the dance is awesome |
| 01:19.30 | WobWork | and because horde is better than alliance |
| 01:19.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i play your mom, because HER dance is awesome. :P |
| 01:19.55 | WobWork | She -is- pretty awesome |
| 01:20.01 | WobWork | I'm glad you appreciate her |
| 01:20.10 | WobWork | She's far better than -your- mom =) |
| 01:20.42 | ZorbaBeta | wobwork is skilled in the art of mom-fu |
| 01:21.14 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: indeed :( |
| 01:22.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: its okay, i'm quite skilled in the art of self deprecation, so it all works out ;) |
| 01:23.12 | Stanzilla | Antiarc: wtb that driver :D |
| 01:23.28 | WobWork | Horde only really have Garrosh for Being an Arse |
| 01:23.37 | WobWork | Alliance have Varian -and- Staghelm =) |
| 01:24.12 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/driver.dll |
| 01:24.16 | Antiarc | Extract that into your WoW dir |
| 01:24.22 | Antiarc | No guarantees it works, but it works for me :P |
| 01:24.40 | WobWork | The requested URL /driver.dll was not found on this server. |
| 01:24.41 | WobWork | =( |
| 01:24.48 | Antiarc | err |
| 01:24.51 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/driver.zip |
| 01:24.53 | Antiarc | :V |
| 01:25.11 | Antiarc | shift-f12 toggles it on/off |
| 01:26.36 | Stanzilla | thanks |
| 01:26.37 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Office-WM-01-Laptop-Steering/dp/B000IZGIA8/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top |
| 01:26.52 | Antiarc | Here's a nice before/after |
| 01:26.56 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/SyuxY.jpg |
| 01:27.17 | Antiarc | Before on the right. |
| 01:28.46 | Stanzilla | login screen looks strange :D |
| 01:28.47 | Lunessa | Antiarc: What's this? A draw layer? |
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| 01:29.34 | Antiarc | Lunessa: Third-party DX9 driver. |
| 01:29.53 | Antiarc | Basically, it adds an additional HLSL shader on top of the rendered image |
| 01:29.59 | Antiarc | And it has a config file to tweak the HLSL values |
| 01:30.03 | Lunessa | Ah. |
| 01:30.07 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/rW6m8.jpg |
| 01:30.07 | Antiarc | MAX BLOOMZ |
| 01:30.13 | WobWork | MORE BLOOOM |
| 01:30.41 | Lunessa | OK. STOP BLLOMZ. |
| 01:30.49 | Dagmar | Interesting. "Not a morning person" mode |
| 01:31.31 | WobWork | http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=224 |
| 01:31.40 | Lunessa | It looks nice, but I suspect it would drag my Windows 7 box to its knees and violate it anally. |
| 01:31.41 | WobWork | SHAZAM |
| 01:32.00 | Amarande | Holy Elune, when the hell did Gandling become so Shadow Portal happy? |
| 01:32.11 | Amarande | He never used to use it twice in a row on me before |
| 01:32.33 | Stanzilla | Antiarc: do i have to restart the game for config changes? |
| 01:32.42 | WobWork | Maybe cause you're soloing him? |
| 01:32.46 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.37 | Antiarc | You can even include a custom HLSL shader |
| 01:33.42 | Antiarc | I'm gonna see if I can get a film grain shader working |
| 01:35.59 | Amarande | Wob: I've soloed him many a time, actually |
| 01:36.10 | Amarande | and it wasn't till recently that he started doing Shadow Portal twice |
| 01:36.23 | Amarande | he used to do it once on a regular basis, but then I'd get back to him and be able to just annihilate him the rest of the way |
| 01:36.31 | Amarande | now as soon as I even step out of the place I got ported to, I get ported a second time |
| 01:36.49 | Amarande | although I get the impression my IMP can solo Gandling, so it doesn't really matter *that* much in the end LOL |
| 01:36.52 | Amarande | it's more loot, actually |
| 01:43.09 | Dagmar | I'm just glad he ports both pet and owner |
| 01:45.47 | Amarande | actually, he doesn't. |
| 01:45.52 | Amarande | not if you're soloing anyway. |
| 01:46.05 | Amarande | whenever I get ported, Gartik is still there happily tossing firebolts while I'm making my way back |
| 01:46.13 | Amarande | which is a good thing, because otherwise he would be *unsoloable* I'm pretty sure |
| 01:46.27 | Amarande | since, well, wouldn't he reset if you got ported away and didn't have a pet or your pet came with you? |
| 01:46.42 | Amarande | which means you'd have to do like, 30,000 damage in about two seconds or so to avoid the port |
| 01:46.56 | Amarande | even EJ hardcores can't do that ... yet. heh. |
| 01:47.07 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, I was able to solo him without much trouble as a prot warrior |
| 01:47.16 | ZorbaBeta | if he ports you away, he just comes after you |
| 01:48.33 | Amarande | ahh, I haven't tried him at all as a petless class yet |
| 01:48.38 | Amarande | I don't think my priest can solo Scholo yet at 65 |
| 01:48.49 | NightHawkTheSane | gandling is actually pretty trivial to solo |
| 01:48.50 | ZorbaBeta | the toughest part as a warrior were the physical-immune mobs :P |
| 01:48.54 | Amarande | and my other characters are 39 at the highest |
| 01:49.00 | Amarande | Night: but you have to get there first. :) |
| 01:49.18 | Xzibit | could someone explain to me how i could possibly account for the event of an 'overkill' (to record killingblows ) ? |
| 01:49.19 | NightHawkTheSane | aside from the physical immune mobs, most of scholo is fairly trivial these days |
| 01:49.33 | Amarande | for me it's the stupid risen aberrations that annoy me the most |
| 01:49.49 | Amarande | yay, either blow soul shards to bring in a physical pet or stand there pecking at them with Spectral Kris heh |
| 01:49.51 | Amarande | at least they're not elite |
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| 01:52.19 | Dagmar | Hire a 60 plate wearer to be loot monkey and cleaner-upper |
| 01:52.29 | Yssaril | so any news if we get 3.3 by tomorrow? |
| 01:53.04 | ZorbaBeta | yssaril, there's a long downtime, but afaik that's all we know so far |
| 01:53.18 | Yssaril | ic |
| 01:53.48 | Amarande | you know, I should sell Scholo and Strat runs. :) |
| 01:53.55 | Amarande | I wonder what the right going rate to charge for those is. |
| 01:54.49 | Dagmar | Long downtimes are more fun now that DDO is free |
| 01:55.13 | Stanzilla | Antiarc: I fatfingered and now have green numbers showing in my topleft corner, how can I disable them again? xD |
| 01:55.33 | Yssaril | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert just updated it seams |
| 01:56.38 | Shadowed | They should give up |
| 01:56.43 | Shadowed | and just say "Realms will be up at 5 PM PST" |
| 01:56.44 | alestane | 10-hour maintenance announced at the last minute? That would sure fit the pattern of patch day. |
| 01:56.46 | Shadowed | (If you are lucky) |
| 01:56.46 | Dagmar | 1:00am? |
| 01:57.04 | Dagmar | YEah I'd say they're patching |
| 01:57.13 | Antiarc | Stanzilla: Look in the config file for the FPS counter |
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| 01:57.43 | alestane | Shadowed: It's rather like saying, "We'll start pulling out of Afghanistan in 18 months." It might be wishful thinking but at least a goal has been set. |
| 01:58.18 | Shadowed | alestane fair enough |
| 01:58.24 | Shadowed | delusion is always supported :D |
| 02:01.04 | Amarande | How do pure physical characters manage to solo Scholo even at 80, btw, if there's all those physical immunes? |
| 02:01.24 | Amarande | I can see Paladins managing it because they have holy damage (which I think even affects the *magic* immune ones) |
| 02:01.39 | Amarande | Rogues ... hmm ... does the nature damage from poisons work? I'm not sure, my rogue is still level 1 |
| 02:01.43 | Amarande | But Warriors and Druids? |
| 02:01.44 | Shadowed | Warriors have TC which should still be magic damage |
| 02:01.53 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, I managed it by bursting them down when they were about to change |
| 02:01.54 | Shadowed | Thorns should be nature damage too if I remember |
| 02:01.57 | ZorbaBeta | shadowed, nope, TC is physical |
| 02:02.06 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, druids can always just go into caster form and nuke |
| 02:02.10 | Shadowed | and in general most mobs have very little health given it's been two expansions |
| 02:02.17 | Yssaril | Amarande: you can skip most of the instances if you do it right at 80 |
| 02:02.32 | Amarande | Shadowed: yeah, which is why the magic immune ones are not a problem for my warlock even sticking with imp pet |
| 02:02.49 | Amarande | it's annoying, but I can take them out reasonably quickly with my ilvl 219 caster dagger through simple melee |
| 02:04.36 | Amarande | Dammit. |
| 02:04.42 | Amarande | I just created an alt and I'm the only ossifer online right now. |
| 02:04.55 | Amarande | What I wouldn't give for the ability to ginvite characters who are not currently online ... |
| 02:05.15 | Amarande | Guild Wars apparently can do it, why not WoW? |
| 02:06.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I can see the spam now |
| 02:06.13 | ScytheBlade1 | <U bai gold dot com> has invited you to the guild! |
| 02:06.17 | ScytheBlade1 | x20000 upon login |
| 02:06.23 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 02:08.38 | Amarande | Scythe: Okay, failing that then |
| 02:08.51 | Amarande | At least a BoA item guild officers can create and send to their alts that adds them to that guild upon use. |
| 02:09.02 | Amarande | It would help smaller guilds a lot, I think. |
| 02:09.43 | ZorbaBeta | or just make it a silent two-way negotiation |
| 02:09.55 | ZorbaBeta | you log in your character, you type /joinguild (offline-officer-name) |
| 02:10.05 | ZorbaBeta | you log in your officer, you type /invite (offline-player-name) |
| 02:10.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Right, because that isn't more pain and effort than it is worth |
| 02:10.14 | ZorbaBeta | no messages are sent, but if you do it right, player goes in guild. |
| 02:10.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Considering that guilds are made for multiple people, and the ability to invite can be granted based on rank |
| 02:11.11 | ZorbaBeta | doesn't really matter what they're made for, it matters what they're used for. even blizzard is finally realizing that trying to force the players into their model of How It Should Be Played is ultimately futile. |
| 02:11.39 | Amarande | On a different note: I wish Plaguelands carrion worms were tameable. :D |
| 02:13.33 | ZorbaBeta | that said I still deeply wish Blizzard would take a page from ATITD and allow people to be in multiple guilds :( |
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| 02:17.37 | WobWork | ATITD? |
| 02:18.08 | WobWork | actually what I want is what they did in Warhammer in groups |
| 02:18.25 | WobWork | "Partymember X has suggested you invite Y: Accept/decline" |
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| 02:21.33 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.17 | Dagmar | ATITD should be billed a simulator, not as a game. |
| 02:23.42 | WobWork | I have never heard of ATITD before...hmm |
| 02:24.59 | ZorbaBeta | wobwork, A Tale In The Desert. It's a fascinating game that is wholly unlike other MMORPGs. |
| 02:25.15 | ZorbaBeta | if anything, it's a social PvP game. |
| 02:25.56 | Dagmar | You embark upon the journey of a normal human, living in the deserts of Egypt, at about the time of the Pharoahs |
| 02:26.07 | Dagmar | Lucky for you there's apparently no Pharoas about. |
| 02:26.12 | Amarande | ZorbaBeta: at least the Blizzard guild system is better than ArenaNet's in that regard. |
| 02:26.23 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, I haven't tried ArenaNet, what does it do? |
| 02:26.26 | Dagmar | You spend your days collecting handfuls of sand to make mud and bits of driftwood to make brick molds |
| 02:26.27 | Amarande | Zorba: In Guild Wars, your entire ACCOUNT could only belong to one guild at a time. |
| 02:26.34 | ZorbaBeta | oy |
| 02:26.35 | Amarande | At least in WoW it's per character. |
| 02:26.36 | Dagmar | Then you make bricks. Lots and lots of bricks. Enough to make a house. yourself. |
| 02:26.59 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, you're talking about the first week of gameplay on an entirely new telling. the game changes dramatically as technologies are unlocked |
| 02:27.03 | Dagmar | Eventually, you're expected to build an entire civlization out of things you found in a tractless desert |
| 02:27.26 | ZorbaBeta | and, yes, the playerbase as a whole is expected to build a civilization out of raw materials, but there's no requirement that you contribute in any useful way |
| 02:27.32 | ZorbaBeta | some people just spend their time making art |
| 02:27.49 | ZorbaBeta | or wine, or breeding scarabs |
| 02:27.54 | Dagmar | Oh I remember beta'ing the Linux client well |
| 02:27.58 | Amarande | erm |
| 02:28.04 | Amarande | you're saying art isn't important to civilization? :| |
| 02:28.17 | Amarande | enjoy your Shijima ossified order, Zorba :| |
| 02:28.19 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, well, actually, art is one of the seven paths in atitd, so, yes, it's useful |
| 02:28.24 | Dagmar | Art is extremely important to a civilization of people probably about to kill themselves |
| 02:28.32 | Amarande | heh. |
| 02:28.33 | ZorbaBeta | but I'm mostly arguing with the whole "all you do is make bricks" thing :) |
| 02:28.40 | Amarande | now, if someone doesn't think art is important at all |
| 02:28.44 | Amarande | that's when you send the scarabs to eat them :D |
| 02:28.48 | Dagmar | Well, you're right, there's more to it than making bricks |
| 02:29.06 | Dagmar | There's the "where can I find a medium stone" quest, where you wander around in the desert for 2-5 hours looking for _one_ |
| 02:29.15 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I'm sorry, you're doing it wrong |
| 02:29.26 | ZorbaBeta | the correct solution for that is "trade for one" |
| 02:29.43 | Dagmar | Everyone can use more bricks, right? |
| 02:29.46 | ZorbaBeta | I'm not even sure you *can* find them in the desert |
| 02:29.50 | Dagmar | Oh you can. |
| 02:29.54 | ZorbaBeta | I know I got mine out of a communal dig site |
| 02:30.22 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, seriously, I can tell you what this is reminding me of |
| 02:30.29 | ZorbaBeta | "WoW is a terrible game! All you do is kill wolves for hours!" |
| 02:30.42 | ZorbaBeta | "And then, when you level up, you kill *slightly larger* wolves! I don't know why anyone plays that game, it's terrible" |
| 02:30.53 | Dagmar | The problem being, wolves at least bark. |
| 02:30.57 | kd3 | hey, at least it's not boars |
| 02:31.09 | Dagmar | They're somewhat exciting. |
| 02:31.10 | ZorbaBeta | I dunno about you, I'd rather build a house than kill an endless number of wolves. |
| 02:31.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd rather build a house out of an endless number of wolves that i killed. |
| 02:31.41 | WobWork | You could build a house of wolf corpses |
| 02:31.45 | Dagmar | I'm a sucker for farming minigames, but ATITD at the start of an era gives me respect for nomadic jews living in the desert |
| 02:31.50 | WobWork | high5's NHTS |
| 02:31.55 | NightHawkTheSane | or, if this was settlers of catan, and endless number of sheep that i got for continuallyl rolling 8s |
| 02:32.03 | NightHawkTheSane | highfives WobWork back |
| 02:32.18 | ZorbaBeta | nighthawk, I had a Settlers game where I was getting something ridiculous like eight sheep per 6 |
| 02:32.22 | ZorbaBeta | with a sheep port |
| 02:32.40 | Dagmar | ...and a brisk tourism trade from Scotland I'm sure |
| 02:32.40 | Jerub | nerf the sheep. |
| 02:32.40 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: yeah, been there. :) |
| 02:32.57 | ZorbaBeta | at one point I had the majority of the sheep deck in my hand, and determined that if 7 were rolled twice in a row, I would be hit by it twice, discard 3/4 of my sheep, and still win on the next turn by building a city entirely out of sheep. |
| 02:33.30 | NightHawkTheSane | excellent. :) |
| 02:33.36 | NightHawkTheSane | although that is NOT a city i would want to live in.. |
| 02:33.41 | Lunessa | Settlers of Catan - A game where you evidently compress sheep into bricks. |
| 02:33.44 | ZorbaBeta | it's very fluffy and warm :D |
| 02:33.45 | NightHawkTheSane | "these roads are so soft.. and... woolen.." |
| 02:33.55 | NightHawkTheSane | "but every restaurant only serves lamb. ><" |
| 02:33.59 | ZorbaBeta | lunessa, we built this city out of sheep and sheep |
| 02:34.04 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 02:34.25 | Lunessa | I have the game and enjoy it, but rarely have anyone to play it with. |
| 02:34.54 | Amarande | Night: you can only get cooking and leatherworking mats from wolves. |
| 02:34.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, i know the feeling. >< I picked up Agricola a bit ago, haven't gotten many games of it in. |
| 02:34.57 | Lunessa | I'd I could really use something more potent that tylentol to make this headache go away. |
| 02:35.03 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure building a house would be Eng if you could do it. :D |
| 02:36.17 | kd3 | 10 hour downtime tonight |
| 02:36.20 | kd3 | and the forums explode |
| 02:38.09 | WobWork | starting at the same time? |
| 02:38.12 | WobWork | or early |
| 02:38.16 | Dagmar | It's the 11th hour for all those enchanters about to be forced to de everything at spearpoint |
| 02:38.28 | ajmitch | early maintenance |
| 02:38.57 | WobWork | gah |
| 02:39.13 | ajmitch | servers will be down by 8pm in AEDT, I think |
| 02:39.17 | Dagmar | Lunessa: You can safely take a half dose of aspirin, acetominophen, and ibuprofen at the same time, and they'll basically "stack" |
| 02:39.27 | WobWork | ajmitch: sob |
| 02:39.35 | WobWork | why go -early-? |
| 02:39.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: define "half dose" |
| 02:39.40 | WobWork | go -later-, damnit |
| 02:39.43 | Dagmar | Lunessa: In those mede you can remove your own teeth without it doing much more than aching a little |
| 02:39.46 | Amarande | Dagmar, are you trying to give Lunessa a debuff? |
| 02:39.49 | ajmitch | they tend to go early for long maintenance now |
| 02:39.53 | ajmitch | at least I have until 10pm |
| 02:39.53 | Amarande | "Fulminant Liver Failure Disease |
| 02:39.53 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Way ahead of you. I'm at the max I can safely take of both medicines in a 24 hour period. |
| 02:39.54 | Amarande | Inflicts 2496 nature damage every 3 seconds" |
| 02:40.01 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: If they say the adult does is x, take half that |
| 02:40.16 | ScytheBlade1 | wonders how that stacks with lortab |
| 02:40.24 | WobWork | what drug is lortab? |
| 02:40.26 | Dagmar | You could do a full dose of each, but then you really COULD remove your own teeth |
| 02:40.36 | ScytheBlade1 | hydrocodone and acetominophen |
| 02:40.36 | Dagmar | ...and you wouldn't wnat to do that for more than 24 hours |
| 02:40.47 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I've been 'stacking' the two all day. |
| 02:40.52 | WobWork | ah |
| 02:40.52 | ScytheBlade1 | or, opiates and painkillers |
| 02:40.54 | Dagmar | I've gotten through massive sunburns and broken teeth that way |
| 02:41.15 | Dagmar | ...and by massive I mean "3rd dagree, 35% body coverage" |
| 02:41.22 | Lunessa | I think I'm going to the doctor tomorrow and I'll bet the tank me up on codeine and anti-biotics. |
| 02:41.23 | WobWork | probably not well, as it has codiene in it |
| 02:41.23 | WobWork | which will clash with your acetominophen |
| 02:41.49 | Jerub | oxycodine is amazing |
| 02:41.56 | WobWork | Lunessa: why anti-biotics? |
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| 02:42.07 | Jerub | might be the same as that hydrocodone stuff |
| 02:42.21 | Lunessa | I think I'm getting an inner-ear infection. It's that sort of intense localized pain. |
| 02:42.21 | Cairenn | I'm betting he actually means anti-inflammatories |
| 02:42.24 | WobWork | Jerub: probably |
| 02:42.32 | Cairenn | or not |
| 02:42.48 | WobWork | I try to take as little anti-biotic as possible =\ |
| 02:42.57 | WobWork | cause I don't want to become 'immune' =P |
| 02:43.03 | Jerub | oh, no, oxycodone is something else. |
| 02:43.15 | Lunessa | WobWork: I try to take as little of anything as I can get away with. But I needed to function today. |
| 02:43.19 | WobWork | Jerub: does it involve a blowtorch to the knee? |
| 02:43.37 | kd3 | you could probably survive it on oxycodone |
| 02:43.47 | Jerub | similar effects though. :) |
| 02:49.39 | Amarande | Cairenn :D |
| 02:49.47 | Cairenn | Amarande: ? |
| 02:52.18 | Amarande | Heya. :) |
| 02:52.59 | Cairenn | hi :) |
| 02:55.37 | Kraps | wtb 3.3 cutscene to relieve boredom |
| 02:56.12 | Lunessa | WTB: Cairenn cut scene. RAWR |
| 02:56.22 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:57.10 | Dolby | CFM's get cut scenes |
| 02:57.27 | Lunessa | Haha... Trust Dolby to chime in. :) |
| 03:02.52 | Shirik | batrick, you are too late! |
| 03:03.13 | Shirik | Kraps! |
| 03:03.17 | Shirik | I changed my wikipedia name to Shirik! |
| 03:03.22 | Shirik | now my name is actually pronouncable |
| 03:03.27 | Kraps | woot! |
| 03:03.33 | Shirik | It was a PITA too |
| 03:04.07 | Shirik | I waited forever, then the crat (incorrectly) said the name was already taken, so had to correct him, then wait forever x2 |
| 03:04.50 | Kraps | the page even fuller than your last one |
| 03:04.59 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:05.45 | Kraps | theres a lot more stuff on it |
| 03:05.50 | Amarande | Lunessa, I'm pretty sure [Naughty Cairenn Picture] requires 451 inscription to make, sorry. :) |
| 03:05.56 | Kraps | or not |
| 03:05.59 | Amarande | And I think the Cata current notes say something about the requirement being raised to 526 |
| 03:06.03 | Shirik | on my user page? |
| 03:06.08 | Kraps | i'm shutting up now |
| 03:06.09 | Shirik | it's the same from before so |
| 03:06.28 | Amarande | heh, too bad private servers aren't allowed |
| 03:06.42 | Lunessa | Amarande: It requires Exalted Rep with Cairenn, and Cloak of Deniability too. |
| 03:06.56 | Amarande | I would so put that "naughty Cairenn pic" inscription on a trainer, and then keep changing the requirement every expansion so you can't quite reach the requirement :) |
| 03:07.04 | Amarande | and then people will be like "wtf is that last item that I can't get" |
| 03:07.06 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:07.15 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, lol |
| 03:07.33 | ScytheBlade1 | so close... and yet so far |
| 03:08.04 | Amarande | Damn Blizzard for caring more about things like 'profitability' and 'intellectual property protection' than simple and awesome things like 'fun' |
| 03:08.31 | batrick | Shirik: uh ok |
| 03:08.58 | Shirik | batrick: I had a test 2 hours ago |
| 03:09.04 | Shirik | and I totally forgot how to use a MOSFET |
| 03:09.10 | Shirik | and you were not around for questioning! |
| 03:09.13 | Shirik | thus you are useless! |
| 03:09.30 | batrick | i haven't done much hardware in a while man |
| 03:10.42 | Shirik | oh well |
| 03:10.46 | Shirik | only one question on JFET |
| 03:10.51 | Shirik | Most of them were about op amps |
| 03:11.01 | Shirik | which I nailed after I figured out why I kept getting a gain of 80000 on one of the questions |
| 03:16.55 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:17.01 | Amarande | I wonder if Dalaran will be less laggy once Cata hits. |
| 03:17.30 | kd3 | probably. how laggy is shattrath now? |
| 03:17.31 | A-KO | dalaran will be empty |
| 03:17.47 | A-KO | separating the factions is something they SHOULD have done with Northrend |
| 03:17.59 | A-KO | not sure how they possibly could have thought Dalaran would have been better |
| 03:18.13 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, i like dal |
| 03:18.35 | Lunessa | I think they had good story reasons for making Dalaran the hub. I think Cataclysm will change that. |
| 03:18.37 | NightHawkTheSane | it probably wasn't -practical- given the realities of the game. |
| 03:18.56 | NightHawkTheSane | but it did generally have the atmosphere/feeling they wanted, i think |
| 03:19.05 | A-KO | I liked the concept of Dal, and I seriously thought it might have been a good idea, but the game performance just sucks in it |
| 03:19.14 | A-KO | for al ot of people, myself included, it's very difficult to log in to Dal |
| 03:19.23 | A-KO | perhaps if they made more use of my ram than 1GB |
| 03:19.26 | A-KO | then maybe |
| 03:19.52 | cbreak | I've seen it use 1.5GiB already once |
| 03:19.56 | cbreak | rare though |
| 03:20.17 | ZorbaBeta | I don't think it has anything to do with RAM, I think it's their flaky protocol |
| 03:20.23 | ZorbaBeta | it shouldn't be timing out computers based on performance |
| 03:20.39 | cbreak | but maybe the problems are more in load time, so getting Flash Storage instead of a HD might improve performance |
| 03:20.57 | A-KO | nah ZorbaBeta's right, though I'm sure loading has some part in it--it's largely the network |
| 03:21.04 | A-KO | I often times run around Dal with black shadows while the game loads |
| 03:21.19 | A-KO | and network bandwidth shoots through the roof (in WoW scale, of course) |
| 03:21.29 | ZorbaBeta | well, what I'm saying is that the load time *does* cause major login problems |
| 03:21.31 | ZorbaBeta | but it shouldn't |
| 03:21.33 | cbreak | I don't really have any stability problems with WoW, be it Dalaran or somewhere else |
| 03:21.38 | cbreak | (at least not regular ones) |
| 03:21.46 | ZorbaBeta | the server shouldn't be saying "hmm hmm hmm, looks like you've taken over 30 seconds to load, DISCONNECTED" |
| 03:22.30 | cbreak | It should load in the background. |
| 03:23.01 | A-KO | they'll probably fix it with Cataclysm, if they even need to--with the separation of the factions it might not be that big of a deal |
| 03:23.16 | Amarande | yeah, I like the way Dalaran was designed, just not the lag |
| 03:23.16 | A-KO | though performance is going to suffer for players in other ways |
| 03:23.21 | cbreak | removing all horde would only lessen population by maybe 20% |
| 03:24.18 | A-KO | I wonder how much performance loss we'll see with the old world redesign, particularly in Stormwind |
| 03:24.53 | WobWork | resolves to ask to get tvtropes blocked at work |
| 03:25.03 | WobWork | my productivity goes negative =( |
| 03:25.24 | Jerub | WobWork: i've already blocked a coworker from accessing it. |
| 03:25.28 | Amarande | TVTROPES IS GOD |
| 03:25.31 | Jerub | and i have a quick way of turning off wikipedia. |
| 03:26.19 | Jerub | whenever anyone mentions something that maps to a trope, he mentions it, goes to tvtropes, finds the url, giggles for 5 minutes ,pastes a link to the group chatroom we use, then giggles for another 20 minutes. |
| 03:26.23 | Lunessa | Someone should mention to women that adding "Water Sports" to your dating profile is likely to attract guys who aren't thinking about swimming and water-skiing. |
| 03:26.26 | Jerub | also: |
| 03:26.37 | Jerub | s/tvtopes/wikipedia |
| 03:26.47 | A-KO | lol Lunessa |
| 03:26.52 | A-KO | speaking from experience? :P |
| 03:27.05 | Lunessa | Just saying, you know? |
| 03:27.12 | A-KO | yes |
| 03:27.13 | A-KO | I agree |
| 03:27.48 | alestane | I believe that phrase has a fairly specific alternate meaning in the right context. |
| 03:27.54 | Shirik | I think Fisker is on wikipedia again |
| 03:27.58 | Shirik | "It is impossible to have too many marshmallows in a cup of hot chocolate. It is very easy to have too many marshmallows in a cup of coffee." |
| 03:32.06 | batrick | no see, those sentences actually contain information, so it can't be from Fisker |
| 03:33.36 | Shirik | how is that information, lol |
| 03:36.03 | Amarande | ok, how did the last ring of blood boss actually HIT me with chain lightning? |
| 03:36.09 | Amarande | 67 should basically like, never hit an 80 :P |
| 03:36.48 | Cairenn | Reminder guys - if your mods are 3.3 compliant, please mark 'em as such on the different sites, so I can make sure the survival guide is accurate :) |
| 03:37.02 | Amarande | Or do mobs have "always hits unless you have enough dodge/parry/etc. to have a chance to avoid" as their hit rating? |
| 03:37.51 | Amarande | It does seem like mobs, particularly elite ones, have this uncanny ability to actually hit you when you're a zillion levels above them. |
| 03:38.01 | Amarande | Even though of course if the situation was reversed you'd practically never hit. |
| 03:38.09 | Jerub | Amarande: they always miss if i have thorns |
| 03:39.34 | WobWork | Amarande: Perfect 20 |
| 03:39.39 | Amarande | Jerub: that's just Murphy's Law |
| 03:39.50 | WobWork | Murphy was a druid? |
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| 03:40.11 | Amarande | Not sure. I'm pretty sure he was a Goblin Engineer though. :) |
| 03:41.20 | WobWork | nah, gnomish |
| 03:41.27 | WobWork | gobin stuff just blows up |
| 03:41.32 | WobWork | gnomish goes terribly terribly wrong |
| 03:43.20 | Thunder_Child | I am murphys disicple |
| 03:43.30 | Fisker | WobWork ! |
| 03:43.38 | Fisker | it is me |
| 03:43.38 | NightHawkTheSane | i am murphy's liver? |
| 03:43.44 | Amarande | goddamnit, where is the forge in Garadar |
| 03:43.50 | Amarande | also: interesting fail on Blizzard's part |
| 03:44.10 | Amarande | I noticed the place in Garadar where they have stabled animals, a tallstrider, a boar, a panther, and one other I can't remember now |
| 03:44.16 | Amarande | ... they ALL say "Cat" for creature type. :) |
| 03:44.37 | Amarande | "Stabled Raptor 66 Cat" |
| 03:44.42 | WobWork | Amarande: it's to get around import laws |
| 03:44.43 | Amarande | FAIL |
| 03:45.05 | NightHawkTheSane | because anyone cares i'm sure. |
| 03:45.07 | Amarande | you mean stabling velociraptors is illegal in some countries? :look |
| 03:45.08 | WobWork | "It's totally a cat!" |
| 03:45.33 | WobWork | maybe a mage stabled them all |
| 03:45.36 | WobWork | after polymorphing |
| 03:45.46 | NightHawkTheSane | stables WobWork's mom |
| 03:45.48 | WobWork | "It was a cat when it came in!" |
| 03:46.03 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: make sure you rub her down |
| 03:46.04 | Amarande | of course, I wouldn't put it past the legislatures *here in the US* to waste our tax dollars passing laws making it illegal to stable creatures that have been extinct outside of fiction for 65+ million years. :P |
| 03:46.24 | NightHawkTheSane | will do :) |
| 03:46.24 | Amarande | They waste our tax dollars passing all kinds of -other- laws that lack any sort of actual usefulness, sooo ... yeah. heh. |
| 03:46.43 | WobWork | And close the barn door, even though you were raised in one! |
| 03:46.43 | Amarande | Wob: what kind of import laws would they have to worry about anyway? :P |
| 03:46.54 | Fisker | you wouldn't Shirik |
| 03:47.01 | WobWork | Raptor feathers |
| 03:47.38 | Amarande | speaking of laws, if I ever started commercially making video games, they might have to hack my body into little pieces :| |
| 03:47.51 | Amarande | so they can send a piece of me to put in prison in every country whose video game laws I'd probably utterly disregard LOL |
| 03:48.57 | Amarande | particularly the ones that have "refused classification = banned" laws and such. :P |
| 03:49.24 | Amarande | those laws probably don't deserve any respect though anyway, now do they my fellow gamers :D |
| 03:49.30 | Fisker | you wouldn't Amarande |
| 03:52.01 | Amarande | Fisker: you mean game designers *should* water things down to respect the wishes of countries with such laws? :P |
| 03:52.27 | Amarande | it's time we stopped thinking so much of the damned kids and the damned behavioral scientists and their claims of influence and treated games as an art like any other |
| 03:52.38 | Fisker | dunno on a "you wouldn't"-spreee |
| 03:53.11 | WobWork | I don't mind if you respect the wishes or not |
| 03:53.22 | WobWork | just as long as I can get the uncensored version somehow =P |
| 03:53.23 | Amarande | Behavioral scientists are soulless morons anyway. Because the only conclusion one could ever find in science about human behavior would find that there's no free will, because chemical reactions are pretty much deterministic. :| |
| 03:53.30 | Fisker | Cairenn makes wild accusations |
| 03:53.45 | WobWork | Fisker: You wouldn't accuse Cairenn wildly would you? |
| 03:53.45 | Fisker | my reputation has been besmirched |
| 03:53.52 | Fisker | I DEMAND JUSTICE |
| 03:53.59 | WobWork | Cairenn: You wouldn't smirch Fisker, would you? |
| 03:54.15 | Fisker | justiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiceeeeeeee |
| 03:54.23 | Cairenn | would depend on what I was offered |
| 03:54.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd smirch anyone |
| 03:54.32 | NightHawkTheSane | for enough money |
| 03:55.15 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzipB3lS-bo <-lol |
| 03:55.34 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 03:55.35 | Shirik | you would |
| 03:55.47 | Fisker | i wouldn't |
| 03:55.52 | Shirik | WobWork: What is smirch? |
| 03:56.17 | Shirik | "to dishonor"? Doesn't everyone do that to Fisker daily? |
| 03:56.36 | Fisker | you have 5 seconds to find the source Shirik |
| 03:56.45 | Shirik | I found it |
| 03:56.46 | Shadowed | alestane: You there? |
| 03:56.54 | alestane | Sort of. |
| 03:57.09 | Fisker | from where then Shirik? :3 |
| 03:57.11 | Shadowed | You have a second? Playing with the animation system and getting some odd results when running two animations at once |
| 03:57.17 | Shirik | Fisker: Wouldn't you like to know |
| 03:57.25 | Shirik | you're just mad because you couldn't find it in 5 seconds |
| 03:57.28 | Shadowed | trying to figure out if it's a bug or if I'm missing something |
| 03:57.49 | Fisker | i know where it's from Shirik |
| 03:57.57 | alestane | Shadowed: Could be either, the animation system has some rough edges. |
| 03:58.07 | WobWork | http://daily-quests.com/comic/?p=239 |
| 03:58.09 | WobWork | d'aww |
| 03:58.10 | Amarande | so where does Light's Vengeance come from to do the first part of the Shadowmourne quest? |
| 03:58.10 | Shadowed | Yea that's why I'm bugging you since Antiarc just said the same thing :p |
| 03:58.12 | WobWork | cutest baby raptor ever |
| 03:58.21 | alestane | What sort of bug is it? |
| 03:58.28 | alestane | alleged bug* |
| 03:58.42 | alestane | Or rather, what behavior seems odd? |
| 03:59.06 | Shirik | unlikely Fisker |
| 03:59.07 | Shirik | prove it |
| 03:59.32 | Fisker | i don't have to |
| 03:59.33 | Thunder_Child | Amarande: purchased i think |
| 03:59.46 | Thunder_Child | oh...nvm |
| 03:59.47 | Shadowed | Oh wait a second |
| 04:00.02 | Thunder_Child | the bettered hilt is purchased |
| 04:00.06 | Shadowed | That is a bit weird |
| 04:00.09 | Amarande | oh, this is just LAME. |
| 04:00.18 | Amarande | I'm going to have to switch to bows at 80 on my hunter now pretty much I imagine :| |
| 04:00.28 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:00.32 | Antiarc | Hrm |
| 04:00.35 | Amarande | what's the good high end bow for hunters, or is it all guns now? |
| 04:00.40 | Antiarc | Is there a place I can recovery the Flippy repo? |
| 04:00.41 | Shadowed | Basically I create two animations under the same group. I call :Play() on both animations and it looks like each :Play() call for an Animation is really a wrapper around AnimationGroup:Play()? |
| 04:00.43 | Antiarc | It's not showing on Wowace. |
| 04:01.02 | Amarande | Apparently since I went Gnomish Engineering, I can only make arrows when I get access to Ashen Verdict stuff, not bullets. :| |
| 04:01.16 | alestane | Shadowed: So, both animations trigger when you play one? |
| 04:01.34 | Shadowed | http://shadowed.pastey.net/129939 basically when I call anim:Play() twice (Yes it's ugly code, it's wowlua quick hackery) it seems the animation is sped and runs twice as fast, when I call group:Play() instead it works fine. |
| 04:01.52 | Amarande | And I can only imagine with the value of primordial saronite and the slow trickle of people up to Revered Ashen Verdict that buying the bullets off AH is NOT A PRACTICAL OPTION. |
| 04:02.00 | Fisker | i don't feel so good Shirik |
| 04:02.12 | Shadowed | When I call anim:Play() on each animation it falls maybe 50 pixels and fades out, when I call group:Play() it falls the entire 500 pixels and slowly fades out after 2 seconds for 3 seconds |
| 04:02.27 | Amarande | er, Honored Ashen Verdict. |
| 04:02.43 | Amarande | But still, I imagine there will be rather few engineers for quite a while able to make those arrows and bolts, and that they will be stupid expensive on AH as a result. |
| 04:02.51 | Amarande | Which means I'm gonna have to go bows at some point at 80. :| |
| 04:03.31 | Antiarc | No extended downtime tomorrow |
| 04:03.39 | Fisker | ? |
| 04:03.39 | Shadowed | Antiarc: huh? It's starting at 1 AM |
| 04:03.47 | Antiarc | Oh, I guess that's true |
| 04:03.50 | Antiarc | I looked at the end time |
| 04:03.52 | Fisker | i agree with Shadowed |
| 04:03.53 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 04:04.07 | alestane | Shadowed: What happens if you call :Play on the animation group twice very quickly? |
| 04:04.08 | Amarande | Oh, *fuck*. |
| 04:04.17 | Amarande | 3.3 better be introducing some good bows. |
| 04:04.31 | Amarande | Otherwise, people who chose to go gnomish engineering are just going to be screwed over by Ashen Verdict. |
| 04:04.53 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzipB3lS-bo <-do it |
| 04:04.57 | ZorbaBeta | time is money, friend! |
| 04:05.00 | Shadowed | alestane: No change, it's only when I call anim:Play() on both animations that it fades out too early |
| 04:05.44 | alestane | Shadowed: I've only monkeyed with it enough to rewrite the floating combat text. You can look at what I did (which seems to work as expected) by browsing the code for CoolFloat, but I don't call separate component animations, just groups. |
| 04:05.48 | WobWork | ZorbaBeta: I loved hearing that phrase in chinese =P |
| 04:05.52 | Amarande | Anyone know off the top of their head what the rating requirements for Furious Gladiator's weapons are? |
| 04:06.37 | Shadowed | alestane: I only did it cause I thought it'd work fine, but I guess not. I'll play with CoolFloat thanks |
| 04:06.38 | Amarande | I'm looking at bows, since the fact that I chose Gnome Eng means I need to switch to them at 80 on the hunter in order to actually be able to use the ammo I'll be able to make from Ashen Verdict. |
| 04:06.50 | Amarande | And almost all of them look hopelessly out of reach :( |
| 04:07.13 | alestane | In general, the design of the animation system isn't really intended to support individual animations AFAIK. If you're building an animation group, add all of the animations to it, then play the whole group and it will probably be more stable. |
| 04:07.25 | WobWork | Amarande: surely there's an arrow version of the bullets? |
| 04:07.27 | Amarande | You either have to be Heroic ToC capable, or actually be *really good* in arenas (Relentless requires 1800 or even a soulcrushing 2200 for the better one) |
| 04:07.34 | Amarande | Wob: the bullets are only for Goblin engineers to make |
| 04:07.44 | Amarande | apparently, they've decided to make the type of ammo you can make path dependent this time |
| 04:07.59 | Amarande | Of course, I went Gnomish long before this stuff was revealed |
| 04:08.14 | Shadowed | Yea I'm realizing that, what I'm going to do next |
| 04:08.17 | Amarande | which means I can only make arrows, and that looks like a HUGE OUCH |
| 04:08.27 | Amarande | because the only easily accessible 200+ ranged weapons at all *are all guns* |
| 04:08.38 | NightHawkTheSane | so make a friend who makes bullets. *gasp* |
| 04:08.46 | Shadowed | Only real annoyance I have with it is you can't setup how it will loop per animation, only per group |
| 04:09.28 | Yssaril | Shadowed: are you trying your animation stuff on live or on the ptr? |
| 04:09.31 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, I'd say "trade with someone" but it sounds like arrow ammo just won't be useful. Still, there's got to be a goblin eng in your guild. |
| 04:09.34 | Shadowed | on live |
| 04:09.36 | Amarande | Night: the mats are fairly cheap, 2 crystallized earth a stack ... the problem is that for a good while people will be able to command any ridiculous price they want for the ammo because few people will be honored with ashen verdict and be able to afford a primordial saronite for the plans |
| 04:09.39 | Shadowed | It's for the snowflakes addon |
| 04:09.42 | alestane | Shadowed: That would be very hard to resolve in terms of animation order. |
| 04:09.46 | Shadowed | Yea that's true |
| 04:09.57 | Amarande | And I'm sure that PUGs will start taking access to the 91.5 ammo into account when determining their DPS expectations out of hunters. |
| 04:09.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: you missed the "make a friend" part |
| 04:10.10 | alestane | If an animation with order 1 is looping, when do you start the animations with order 2? |
| 04:10.27 | Yssaril | Shadowed: do it on the ptr they made the anim system alot better with fewer bugs (at least in my working with it) |
| 04:10.33 | alestane | If you need two things to loops separately, try putting them in separate groups. |
| 04:10.38 | Shadowed | Well, I'll wait until tomorrow :> |
| 04:10.42 | Fisker | btw Yssaril |
| 04:10.49 | NightHawkTheSane | but why i even bother to be anything but bored to tears when you repeatedly blow things out of proportion is beyond me |
| 04:10.55 | Amarande | Night, do you know if any good bows are going to be added in 3.3, or is Gnome Engineering just a slap in the face now with Goblin getting bullets and Gnome getting arrows? |
| 04:10.58 | Fisker | make us able to make some filters default |
| 04:11.00 | Shadowed | Well at least knowing to do group:Play() will help |
| 04:11.13 | Amarande | and by good I mean good and reasonably accessible to people who aren't raiding on Heroic difficulty |
| 04:11.30 | Yssaril | Fisker: maybe |
| 04:11.45 | WobWork | Amarande: isn't the crossbow from htoc good? |
| 04:11.48 | WobWork | or is that a gun? |
| 04:11.57 | NightHawkTheSane | dont know. dont care. and anyone who uses the term 'slap in the face' non-ironically really doesn't deserve an answer. |
| 04:11.59 | Fisker | you wouldn't Yssaril |
| 04:12.02 | ZorbaBeta | it looks like there's already one from totc25 |
| 04:12.08 | ZorbaBeta | Talonstrike/Death's Head Crossbow |
| 04:12.15 | Yssaril | Fisker: your right i wouldn't but you could |
| 04:12.21 | WobWork | you're =) |
| 04:12.27 | Amarande | Wob: I'm foggy on how crossbows work |
| 04:12.34 | Fisker | stop trolling before i get a chance WobWork |
| 04:12.37 | Amarande | I suppose I could always farm 350 arena points and get the S6 232 bow |
| 04:12.43 | WobWork | you wind the windlass to pull the arms back |
| 04:12.45 | NightHawkTheSane | you put arrows into them, and fire them |
| 04:12.51 | Amarande | I'm sure it should be easy enough even to suck entirely and manage to get 350 points before one's rating falls below 700. :) |
| 04:12.51 | WobWork | place a bolt on the stock |
| 04:12.54 | Amarande | You start at 1500, right? |
| 04:12.55 | WobWork | then fire |
| 04:13.25 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=46994 Lord Jaraxxus is your new friend |
| 04:13.25 | WobWork | they use a different skill, but use arrows |
| 04:13.26 | Amarande | Except you can't PUG arenas anymore because you have to have a steady team in order to meet the "and team" rating requirement bit, I suppose :| |
| 04:13.41 | Amarande | Zorba: I was thinking Auriaya 25, but if there's something in 3.3 ... :) |
| 04:13.53 | ZorbaBeta | there's something in 3.2 |
| 04:13.57 | ZorbaBeta | Jaraxxus is in TOTC |
| 04:14.10 | ZorbaBeta | alternatively, http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50034/zods-repeating-longbow/ |
| 04:14.10 | NightHawkTheSane | jaraxxus-25 shouldn't even be that hard to faceroll through. |
| 04:14.43 | Amarande | you know, I never looked that much into crossbows :) |
| 04:15.03 | ZorbaBeta | with the loot lists as released so far, it looks like there's one bow and one gun in 10man, and a bow in 25man |
| 04:15.04 | Amarande | although, measuring up to the PUG DPS standards on an ilvl 200 gun meanwhile in order to get into the groups to *get* that might be a stretch |
| 04:15.24 | Fisker | I DO NOT WANT MORE DIAMOND TIPPED CANES |
| 04:15.26 | Fisker | THANK YOU. |
| 04:15.47 | Amarande | Fisker: where are those from, anyway? :) |
| 04:15.55 | NightHawkTheSane | fisker's ass. |
| 04:16.04 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, alternatively, http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50262/felglacier-bolter/ |
| 04:16.06 | ZorbaBeta | 5-man |
| 04:16.14 | Jerub | i have a diamond tipped cane :) |
| 04:16.28 | Amarande | That's 3.3? |
| 04:16.36 | ZorbaBeta | I have researched this with no knowledge of hunter weapons or particular interest in which kind of ammo is better. you should have found this before I went and looked for it. |
| 04:16.37 | ZorbaBeta | yup. |
| 04:17.00 | Amarande | btw, what's the primary difference between crossbows and bows other than to force hunters to level two different arrow weapon skills? :) |
| 04:17.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Sesshu| (n=Sesshu@ip-54-16.travedsl.de) |
| 04:17.16 | ZorbaBeta | I suspect absolutely none. |
| 04:17.19 | Amarande | (lemme guess ... That's the purpose. :D) |
| 04:17.24 | Jerub | so. what's the chance of 3.3 tonight? |
| 04:17.32 | Jerub | ;) |
| 04:17.55 | Amarande | I wonder if they're going to make Bow skill useful again at any point in the future outside of PvP though |
| 04:17.58 | NightHawkTheSane | The difference is that one's a crossbow, and one's a bow. |
| 04:18.09 | Amarande | There's only one 258 bow at all, and it's virtually unattainable. |
| 04:18.17 | NightHawkTheSane | what's the difference between swords and maces other than to make rogues level multiple weapon skills? |
| 04:18.44 | Amarande | Night: if I were designing the game, I would have had there be some kind of difference between edged and non-edged weapons |
| 04:18.48 | ZorbaBeta | nighthawk, swords tend to be given multiple-attack bonuses, maces tend to be given arpen bonuses |
| 04:18.52 | Amarande | but I don't think there is much difference, other than skills :) |
| 04:18.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, seriously, they should just have MELEE WEAOPON, TWO HAND WEAPON, CASTSER WEAPON, and RANGED WEAPON types |
| 04:18.57 | NightHawkTheSane | and call it good |
| 04:19.13 | ZorbaBeta | check out the rogue and warrior talent trees for example (combat and arms respectively) |
| 04:19.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: thankfully, you're NOT designing the game |
| 04:19.22 | Amarande | I'm still puzzled as to why they've almost completely neglected Bows and moved all the arrow use to X-Bows, though |
| 04:19.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: that's not intrinsic to the weapon, though |
| 04:19.41 | Jerub | NHTS: Except spelled corectly. |
| 04:19.41 | ZorbaBeta | nighthawk, no, but it's intrinsic to Blizzard's usage of the weapon |
| 04:19.49 | Amarande | what made them ditch the classic bow? |
| 04:19.52 | ZorbaBeta | they could easily have different bonuses for bows and crossbows. |
| 04:19.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: yeah, sory, fishing too :P |
| 04:20.11 | NightHawkTheSane | sorry* |
| 04:20.21 | Amarande | and yes, it does look like the classic Bow has been more or less ditched |
| 04:20.31 | Amarande | One 258. It's virtually impossible to get, period. |
| 04:21.06 | Amarande | Three 245's. They require a successful 25 attempt remaining tribute run, or an 1800 arena rating. |
| 04:21.12 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: arguably, yes. But they could have gone a lot of ways with a lot of things. But it really kind of balances out. |
| 04:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ultimately, its almost entirely flavor |
| 04:21.48 | ZorbaBeta | goddamn, every single class gets an order of magnitude more changes than my class does |
| 04:21.48 | ZorbaBeta | :( |
| 04:21.58 | NightHawkTheSane | so? |
| 04:22.11 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: doesn't that mean your class is the standard to which all the others are measured? |
| 04:22.14 | ZorbaBeta | it's frustrating, warriors have some severe quality of life issues that are remaining unaddressed |
| 04:22.17 | Amarande | One 239. Not so bad if you can get a point farming team together, and thus this (and one of the 232's) are the only reasonably accessible bows for non-hardcore players, however are strongly PvP flavored. |
| 04:22.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i suspect if you ask really nicely, they could nerf the crap out of your class :P |
| 04:22.26 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, considering that we have annoying game mechanics that nobody else does, I consider that unlikely :P |
| 04:22.47 | Jerub | "Locks are slightly less annoying than warriors, how can we normalise this?" |
| 04:22.49 | Amarande | Two 232's. See above for one, the other one is Auriaya 25, I'm not sure how often that is run now though. |
| 04:22.56 | Fisker | Divine Intervention: This ability now also removes Exhaustion or Sated from a target if the recipient is out of combat when the effect ends. In addition, the cooldown on this ability has been reduced from 20 minutes to 10 minutes. Cannot be used in Arenas. <-this is lol |
| 04:23.06 | Amarande | And I'm supposing at this point we pretty much count anything less than 232 as "scrub starter gear" correct? |
| 04:23.25 | Jerub | Amarande: sure, if you want. |
| 04:23.36 | Dagmar | Depends on how far yer head is up yer rear |
| 04:23.50 | Amarande | So basically, there are just seven bows of 232+, and only three (of which only one is PvE oriented) are accessible to the non-hardcore player. |
| 04:24.00 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're the kind of person who has no real sense of scope and exaggerates everything to absurd levels, then yes, exactly |
| 04:24.16 | Amarande | And one is practically impossible to get even for most HARDCORE players. Heh. |
| 04:24.17 | Dagmar | Amarande: Basically, unless you're going into Ulduar to get those weapons, you don't exactly need 'em |
| 04:24.45 | Lunessa | Inc forum vacation in 5, 4, 3, 2, ... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21627024014&postId=216243787117&sid=1#15 |
| 04:24.55 | Amarande | (By which I mean the 258 Relentless bow, which needs 2200 arena rating, which is basically the WoW equivalent to being the likes of Vladimir Kramnik or Magnus Carlsen in chess. :D) |
| 04:25.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i was in a totc-25 the other day, this warrior in rather nice epics was managing ~2k dps.. |
| 04:25.16 | Dagmar | SOMEONE has to be a badass |
| 04:25.26 | Dagmar | It can't all by six year olds on couch syrup you know |
| 04:25.28 | Amarande | Night: Jesus, how did that happen? |
| 04:25.30 | NightHawkTheSane | conversely, some dude in a handful of blues was pulling like 3.5k easy |
| 04:25.31 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, sure, but how many guns are there? |
| 04:25.32 | Dagmar | er cough |
| 04:25.49 | NightHawkTheSane | point being: people who give a shit about your gear are fucking idiots. |
| 04:25.59 | ZorbaBeta | and how many are there going to be in 3.3? :P |
| 04:26.03 | Amarande | Fifteen 232+ guns, Zorba. |
| 04:26.07 | Dagmar | "7. Bask in the glow of having rubbed two brain cells together to achieve a working macro. " |
| 04:26.30 | Amarande | One is from Ony25, which almost any scrub can get a PUG slot for. |
| 04:26.42 | Lunessa | Dagmar: See why I think I'm going to get a vacation shortly? |
| 04:26.51 | Dagmar | Yet it still requires a 25-man raid |
| 04:26.59 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Unkle is you? |
| 04:27.05 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 04:27.10 | Jerub | having pulled 1200dps as a kitty wearing nothing but healer gear, I hold that as an absolute minimum value that every kitty must attain at 80 or they fail at life. |
| 04:27.13 | Dagmar | Did they make it against the forum rules to snark at morons when I wasn't looking? |
| 04:27.29 | Dagmar | I've never been handed a timeout and Iv'e said much worse things to more deserving people |
| 04:27.36 | Dagmar | You're probably fine |
| 04:27.38 | Lunessa | No, but mods tend to get heavy handed sometimes. |
| 04:28.24 | Dagmar | Haha. I think they're going to be a little too busy tonight and tomorrow to care about you bruising some gimp's feelings. |
| 04:28.37 | Dagmar | If they're smart, they're already taking their asbestos pills |
| 04:29.36 | Lunessa | People irritate me. Snark/Sarcasm is my only relief. +this pain is murder. I need to share it. |
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| 04:30.25 | Amarande | my DPS seems to vary wildly from encounter to encounter |
| 04:30.30 | Amarande | I'm not sure what's up with that |
| 04:30.38 | kd3 | encounters are different? |
| 04:30.58 | Amarande | like, I'll go from 4.2k one encounter to "god I suck" in another |
| 04:31.04 | Amarande | that's how wildly. |
| 04:31.34 | Amarande | If I can pull 4.2k in one standard tank and spank scenario with no real need for mobility, why can't I do it every fight where you get to just stand still and pewpew? |
| 04:32.25 | WobWork | You forget you're in viper? |
| 04:32.31 | NightHawkTheSane | you're bad? |
| 04:33.15 | ZorbaBeta | grab recount and find out |
| 04:33.34 | Amarande | This is on my warlock. |
| 04:34.09 | Dagmar | You are mistaken about how long your DoTs tick? |
| 04:34.16 | Dagmar | Random number generator is random? |
| 04:34.18 | Amarande | Standard operating procedure ... put on curse of agony or doom depending on expected length of battle, immo whenever it's not up, conflag whenever it's not on CD, chaos bolt whenever conflag's on CD and immo is up, incinerate whenever immo is up but both conflag and chaos bolt are on CD. |
| 04:34.23 | Amarande | that's about all there is to warlocking now. |
| 04:34.28 | Thunder_Child | rng != random |
| 04:34.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: rng's rarely account for huge swings in average dps |
| 04:34.52 | Amarande | Sometimes this gets me 4.2k. Sometimes it gets me less than 3k. |
| 04:34.59 | Dagmar | Hey, I'm trying to be polite here |
| 04:35.23 | Dagmar | I could say "You know most people would check their buffs and spellpower" |
| 04:35.36 | Shirik | lua> t = {"McDonald's", "Wendy's", "Taco Bell", "Burger King"}; return t[math.random(#t)] |
| 04:35.38 | lua_bot | Shirik: Taco Bell |
| 04:35.38 | Jerub | mmmspellpower |
| 04:35.42 | Amarande | yeah, group comp might have had something to do with it |
| 04:35.47 | Amarande | especially if there's a shaman |
| 04:35.47 | Dagmar | facepalms. |
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| 04:35.56 | Thunder_Child | lol Shirik |
| 04:36.16 | Amarande | Probably a reason I vary so much is that usually I'm in 5-mans with a wildly varying set of classes? |
| 04:36.34 | NightHawkTheSane | 5 man dps is nothing like raid dps |
| 04:36.41 | Dagmar | Yes, so at the end of the run, open your character pane and recount at the same time and screenshot them |
| 04:36.43 | NightHawkTheSane | unless you regularly form raids from like 4 classes |
| 04:36.45 | Amarande | (what % does bloodlust affect dps, in particular?) |
| 04:36.47 | Dagmar | That way later you can look at what your SP was |
| 04:36.54 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Problem: Taco bell has crappy desserts |
| 04:37.02 | Dagmar | ...or just go grab something from World of Stats or whatever |
| 04:37.13 | Amarande | or whatever That Thing that Shammies Use that Boosts the Hell out of DPS is |
| 04:37.13 | Dagmar | Sorry, my mistake, World of Logs |
| 04:37.29 | WobWork | wrath of air? |
| 04:37.39 | Amarande | I've never played a shaman past 41, so I'm a bit foggy on exactly what's what from them |
| 04:37.45 | Antiarc | Is there any way to select a geoset for a Model object? |
| 04:37.48 | Dagmar | Win Totem |
| 04:37.50 | WobWork | spell haste and spellpower |
| 04:37.59 | Antiarc | Player models, for example, have a number of geosets for hair, gloves, etc |
| 04:38.00 | WobWork | totem of wrath |
| 04:38.09 | Amarande | yeah, it could easily be that. |
| 04:38.17 | Amarande | especially since I normally have a fairly lukewarm amount of haste |
| 04:38.19 | Dagmar | I just try not to stand directly on the shaman |
| 04:38.33 | NightHawkTheSane | totem of wrath is spell power, and spelcrit, wrath of air is spell haste |
| 04:38.52 | Amarande | let's see ... 442 crit, 271 haste normally |
| 04:38.57 | WobWork | both of which are usually down with an ele shaman |
| 04:38.59 | Jerub | what's your spellpower? |
| 04:39.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ToW's spellpower is typically superceded by demonic pact, and the specllcrit can be replaced by heart of the crusader |
| 04:39.17 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm going home to suffer, which is better than being at work to suffer. |
| 04:39.20 | NightHawkTheSane | afaik, wrath of air has no replacement |
| 04:39.21 | Lunessa | Ciao tutti. |
| 04:39.35 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: A. dont get dessert B. dont put it on your random list in the first place |
| 04:40.13 | Cairenn | ZorbaBeta: is QH 3.3 compatible? |
| 04:40.25 | Amarande | oh man, someone just mentioned something IMPORTANT in trade, btw |
| 04:40.30 | Amarande | just in case the patch comes out tomorrow |
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| 04:40.39 | Amarande | MAKE SURE YOUR CHARACTERS ARE NOT LOGGED OUT IN DALARAN TONIGHT. |
| 04:40.47 | Amarande | Or you won't be able to play them for like, days if the patch does come out. :) |
| 04:40.54 | Jerub | Amarande: huh? |
| 04:41.03 | WobWork | well, I'm screwed then =P |
| 04:41.11 | Amarande | Jerub: because patch day lag + dalaran lag will be something best not thought about. |
| 04:41.11 | WobWork | I won't have time to get home and move them |
| 04:41.15 | Dagmar | Really? |
| 04:41.17 | Dagmar | Why? Caching issues? |
| 04:41.19 | Dagmar | Good thing I have a great computer |
| 04:41.19 | NightHawkTheSane | only if your machine is made if fail |
| 04:41.23 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 04:41.35 | ZorbaBeta | cairenn, to the best of my knowledge, yep |
| 04:41.37 | Jerub | meh, i have a bunch of toons <level 20 |
| 04:41.44 | Jerub | and my wife likes it when i play with her :P |
| 04:41.47 | WobWork | I'll go start a pally =P |
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| 04:41.50 | Amarande | I wasn't aware not having a solid state drive made a computer fail |
| 04:41.51 | WobWork | or a warrior |
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| 04:41.53 | Cairenn | ZorbaBeta: okay, just going through the SG, ticking things off |
| 04:41.56 | Dagmar | If I completely destroy my cache (thanks Windows 7!) I can expect to crash once upon login directly to Dalaran |
| 04:41.56 | WobWork | the only two classes I haven't tried |
| 04:42.01 | ZorbaBeta | if they haven't broken it in the last few weeks, and if there are no subtle errors, it oughta work fine. I try to stay ahead of the patch curve. |
| 04:42.26 | NightHawkTheSane | i've never had an issue logging in to dal. ever. |
| 04:42.29 | NightHawkTheSane | shrugs |
| 04:42.38 | Dagmar | Folks playing on laptops and other borderline machines that are dipping into paging memory might not be so lucky |
| 04:42.48 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: nuke your cache then login to Dalaran at peak times |
| 04:42.51 | Dagmar | You'll lag out |
| 04:42.56 | Dagmar | Beyond that, it's no big deal |
| 04:43.14 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* i |
| 04:43.18 | Fisker | why aren't you doing dailies at 4am at night WobWork ? |
| 04:43.24 | DWSR | So, patch tomorrow? |
| 04:43.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i've toyed with deleting my cache (to replicate/fix an issue with a mod) and never had a problem |
| 04:43.42 | Amarande | When my priest got her first portal to Dalaran, she lagged out upon arrival |
| 04:43.55 | Amarande | To the point that I had to kill WoW via task manager :| |
| 04:44.03 | Jerub | logging into dal on a low bandwidth connection sucks. if it's a bandwidth constrained situation (<512kbit in my experience) then you can have serious problems. |
| 04:44.27 | Amarande | You also have to remember that if tomorrow is patch day, patch day always ridiculously exacerbates lag. |
| 04:44.37 | Amarande | To the point that many raid guilds actually cancel raids on patch day in order to avoid issues. |
| 04:44.49 | Jerub | cancel a raid? never! |
| 04:44.49 | DWSR | Amarande: lol |
| 04:44.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i've not really observed that either |
| 04:44.58 | Jerub | (we just don't schedule raids for tuesdays) |
| 04:45.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 04:45.07 | Amarande | Night: I've seen countless wowblog entries about people unlucky enough to try raiding on patch day |
| 04:45.12 | Amarande | it's never pretty ;) |
| 04:45.21 | NightHawkTheSane | even when i was in guilds that raided tuesdays, we raided on patch days unless the server was physically down, or bugs made it unplayable |
| 04:45.23 | Amarande | That's assuming the instance server is even working. |
| 04:45.57 | Amarande | Actually that may be part of it. I suspect on new major patch days, the instance server is usually overrun by people trying out the new 5-mans, to the point where it's too uncomfortable to do heroic hardmode raids like the hardcore guilds want to do. |
| 04:45.59 | Thunder_Child | ~serveralert |
| 04:46.06 | Thunder_Child | !serveralert |
| 04:46.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: yes, but you manage to find the 10 people who whine and bitch about every little problem and cry that the sky is falling, so |
| 04:46.11 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 04:46.46 | Jerub | the phrase 'QQ moar nub' comes to mind |
| 04:47.01 | Amarande | Night: or maybe the unluckiest |
| 04:47.13 | Amarande | are instance servers shared by battlegroup by any chance? I think they are |
| 04:47.29 | Amarande | it might be that some of these bloggers are on the busiest battlegroups, and thus get hit the hardest on patch day by the rush to try the new instances |
| 04:47.30 | Jerub | Amarande: yes, they are. |
| 04:47.42 | Jerub | cross realm lfg starts with 3.3 doesn't it? |
| 04:47.48 | Amarande | Ayup. |
| 04:47.50 | Amarande | Looking forward to it. |
| 04:47.55 | Jerub | they're all on the battlegroup. |
| 04:47.58 | Jerub | (nub) |
| 04:48.22 | Amarande | Probably going straight into the Uldaman and SM Cath queues on my hunter as soon as patch hits. :D |
| 04:48.22 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaBeta: you feel like making a comparison between QH and the builtin QH? |
| 04:48.31 | NightHawkTheSane | more likely these "bloggers" are just whiny people with delusions of entitlement. |
| 04:48.44 | Amarande | Night: some are GMs or officers |
| 04:48.56 | NightHawkTheSane | and? |
| 04:48.59 | Jerub | 'QQ moar nub' |
| 04:49.04 | Amarande | and thus feel a sense of responsibility I suppose when they are unable to provide the usual fun raid experience to their guild members? |
| 04:49.15 | Amarande | GOD FORBID a GM might actually CARE about their guild members being HAPPY |
| 04:49.16 | Jerub | the biggests QQ's i've seen have been from guild raidleaders :) |
| 04:49.16 | ZorbaBeta | thunder, last I checked, the builtin one shows locations, if you know what zone the quest's in, and you're zoomed in to that zone, and you're lucky, because some quests aren't shown. |
| 04:49.24 | NightHawkTheSane | like i said, delusions of entitlement |
| 04:49.34 | ZorbaBeta | QH shows locations no matter what your zoom level is and routes between them for you. |
| 04:49.47 | Amarande | Yay, finally the end of the road for now |
| 04:49.56 | Amarande | Your skill in Blacksmithing has increased to 300 *dances* |
| 04:50.11 | Amarande | This is probably the most significant 300, too. |
| 04:50.27 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaBeta: the quest doesnt tell you the location of it? |
| 04:50.47 | Amarande | It means I never, ever have to touch Azerothian metal again now, *EVER*, unless I'm making twink gear or at some point another miner |
| 04:51.04 | ZorbaBeta | thunder, not always. playing around on the PTR, I found it had locations for around 2/3 of my quests. |
| 04:51.04 | Amarande | Woot. |
| 04:51.08 | ZorbaBeta | It's possible that's been improved since. |
| 04:51.31 | Jerub | Amarande: or JC |
| 04:51.52 | Thunder_Child | now here is the kicker, can you merge them? i only ask because QH does take up a bit of ram |
| 04:52.12 | Amarande | Jerub: I already have 447 JC and 300 Eng. |
| 04:52.13 | ZorbaBeta | thunder, nope! :D |
| 04:52.21 | Amarande | That means I'm past the Azerothian metal stage in both. |
| 04:52.21 | ZorbaBeta | thunder, the Blizzard API doesn't provide nearly enough info for me |
| 04:52.28 | ZorbaBeta | and the info it does provide is difficult to gather |
| 04:52.35 | Thunder_Child | :( |
| 04:52.38 | ZorbaBeta | on top of that, QH's database actually only takes around 2 megs of RAM |
| 04:52.50 | Amarande | I do have mats set aside to make a Dark Iron Rifle once I'm 48+ and can get someone to bring me to the Black Anvil, but that's about it for old world metalcraft now. |
| 04:52.52 | ZorbaBeta | so even if I were to go to that much work, for inferior data, you'd see no noticable improvement whatsoever. |
| 04:52.55 | Thunder_Child | qh is running at 20mb right now |
| 04:53.16 | Amarande | And I can get that help from guildies. Any 80 can get me to the Black Anvil with ease. |
| 04:53.22 | ZorbaBeta | Yup. That's working data, used for routing and organization and the fact that Lua is bad at garbage collecting rapidly. |
| 04:53.27 | ZorbaBeta | The database itself is about 2mb of that. |
| 04:54.03 | Thunder_Child | so routing takes the biggest chunk, not the location or area overlay? |
| 04:54.21 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, the routing and pathfinding is difficult and memory-intensive. the rest of it is relatively simple. |
| 04:54.44 | ZorbaBeta | (well, okay, it's not simple, but the complexity happens on the little linux box in my closet, not on your computer) |
| 04:55.42 | Amarande | BTW, as for late Azeroth gear |
| 04:55.51 | Amarande | sometimes I also delay going to Outland just to give it a spin before Outland makes it all go away |
| 04:55.59 | Jerub | where's the 'changes to the patch notes' page, i can't find it. |
| 04:56.25 | DWSR | Anyone getting rediculous server freezing? |
| 04:56.51 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: changes since the last or just the patch notes? |
| 04:57.00 | Amarande | Not really. I did notice mass smelting thorium earlier was a bit laggy, but that was about it. |
| 04:57.09 | DWSR | Did KJ ever make it onto the PTR? |
| 04:57.11 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: uh, showing which dot points are new. |
| 04:57.44 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.3.0?action=history ? |
| 04:57.49 | Jerub | heh |
| 04:57.55 | Thunder_Child | there was never an official one that i know of |
| 04:58.16 | Thunder_Child | mmo did one every once in a while |
| 04:59.24 | Jerub | okay, it hasn't changed in a week. |
| 04:59.38 | Jerub | if I'm on OSX, how do I download the patch premptively. |
| 04:59.51 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors |
| 04:59.55 | kd3 | gasps |
| 05:00.24 | Jerub | kd3: I <3 you. |
| 05:01.05 | Fisker | so no patch today kd3 ? |
| 05:01.10 | Fisker | am i gonna hit a bitch? |
| 05:01.21 | Fisker | hits kd3 |
| 05:06.11 | Amarande | aright. Inventory cleaning time. :) |
| 05:10.30 | Thunder_Child | ooo...i missed the part about weekly raid quests, nifty |
| 05:10.47 | WobWork | actually sounds kinda painful |
| 05:10.57 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: what about the bit where you can simply keep doing random dungeons and there's no limit? |
| 05:11.03 | WobWork | I'm sick of raiding naxx |
| 05:11.07 | Thunder_Child | i caught that Jerub |
| 05:11.22 | Thunder_Child | WobWork: not when you can tp directly to saph and kt |
| 05:11.31 | WobWork | can you? |
| 05:11.44 | Jerub | WobWork: :D |
| 05:11.53 | Torhal | Players no longer need to kill the final bosses in all four wings of this dungeon in order to teleport to Sapphiron. Teleportation orbs have been added to allow players access back and forth from Sapphiron's lair. |
| 05:12.01 | Jerub | ffs, 1kb/sec from arakkoa |
| 05:12.53 | Amarande | wow, disturbing the peace is no longer part of the Brewmaster achievement |
| 05:12.55 | Amarande | this means |
| 05:12.58 | Amarande | I WILL BE BREWMASTER |
| 05:13.14 | Jerub | ... you didn't get that? that was the easiest achievemnet ... |
| 05:13.23 | Jerub | I didn't get the freaking all hallows achievement though |
| 05:13.55 | Jerub | Amarande: where did you read that? |
| 05:14.18 | Amarande | Jerub: in the patch notes somewhere |
| 05:14.24 | Amarande | I never had time to reach 350 tokens |
| 05:14.41 | Amarande | so I got to a tad over 200, got the BOMC and the mount, and left it at that for the year, figuring I'd just finish it next year |
| 05:15.09 | Amarande | besides, my favorite reward from brewfest was the remote, anyway |
| 05:15.15 | Jerub | thinks |
| 05:15.21 | Amarande | especially useful on a miner who knows smelt dark iron :) |
| 05:15.23 | Jerub | how many tokens was the hat/dress/shoes? |
| 05:15.29 | Amarande | 350, IIRC. |
| 05:15.41 | ZorbaBeta | 350, but you could redeem them after you got the achievement |
| 05:15.48 | Jerub | that's right |
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| 05:15.50 | WobWork | and buy a 'pet' |
| 05:15.51 | Jerub | thanks :) |
| 05:15.51 | Amarande | But you had to *get* 350 tokens to begin with |
| 05:15.54 | ZorbaBeta | so you needed to have 350, but the end cost was effectively zero. |
| 05:16.05 | WobWork | well... |
| 05:16.12 | WobWork | the end cost is still 350 =P |
| 05:16.21 | Amarande | o.0 |
| 05:16.28 | Amarande | are the servers going down *early* tonight? |
| 05:16.31 | WobWork | yes |
| 05:17.12 | ZorbaBeta | wob, nah, 'cause you could buy other things with those same tokens |
| 05:17.17 | Jerub | it's a good thing i'm taking my wife out for a fancy dinner |
| 05:17.20 | Amarande | wonder why. usually even if it's a patch they shut down at the normal time. |
| 05:17.50 | WobWork | ZorbaBeta: but you still either earn 350 tokens for spending or you don't =P |
| 05:18.05 | Amarande | unless in today's economy they want to be able to (Blizzard being Pacific based IIRC?) get any big stuff squared away without having to pay overnight premiums to the extra employees involved, seeing as 3.3 might involve some infrastructure testing for CSLFG? |
| 05:18.20 | WobWork | if it were effectively zero, then you could go, buy all the pets you want use up those 350 tokens |
| 05:18.24 | WobWork | and -then- get the achievement |
| 05:18.42 | WobWork | it's somewhat ineffectively zero =P |
| 05:18.53 | Amarande | Jerub: you lucky married types :P |
| 05:19.09 | Jerub | Amarande: database upgrade proably. |
| 05:19.19 | Thunder_Child | i am rather happy about "Commendation Badges which award reputation with various Wrath of the Lich King factions can be purchased with Emblems of Triumph in Dalaran. Each badge costs 1 Emblem of Triumph. " |
| 05:19.26 | Thunder_Child | i HATE getting tep |
| 05:19.29 | Dagmar | They're waiting for MSSQL 2003 Lite to finish optimizing. ;) |
| 05:19.37 | WobWork | Tep? |
| 05:19.42 | Amarande | are the commendations BoA or BoP? |
| 05:19.44 | Thunder_Child | s/tep/rep/ |
| 05:19.58 | Amarande | hmm |
| 05:20.02 | WobWork | esp Sons of Hodir |
| 05:20.03 | Amarande | also, are Sons of Hodir included? |
| 05:20.06 | Thunder_Child | bop i think, though i am not sure |
| 05:20.07 | WobWork | goddamn sons of hodir |
| 05:20.10 | Thunder_Child | i think so |
| 05:20.12 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, hodir is included |
| 05:20.15 | Xzibit | could someone assist me in Trouble shooting my Addon ? its very small |
| 05:20.15 | WobWork | also, tuskarr rep |
| 05:20.16 | Xzibit | http://pastebin.com/m1d592932 |
| 05:20.16 | Amarande | is wondering if these Relics of Ulduar might perhaps be better off vendored instead of put on AH then |
| 05:20.24 | Dagmar | Seems like a bad way to use triumphs tho |
| 05:20.31 | Amarande | if people can get equivalent rep just by killing a heroic boss, they may not want to buy RoU |
| 05:20.33 | Thunder_Child | it's second tier now |
| 05:20.36 | WobWork | I wonder if the wotlk undead faction is included |
| 05:20.38 | Dagmar | It's not *that* hard to farm relics directly |
| 05:20.44 | Thunder_Child | +you can get lots from random dungeons |
| 05:20.50 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm cleaning out inv tonight |
| 05:20.56 | Amarande | and wondering now if I should vendor or auction off RoU's. |
| 05:21.08 | Xzibit | what server are you on Amarande? |
| 05:21.12 | Amarande | Turalyon, Horde side |
| 05:21.13 | Dagmar | Amarande: I already had a "Stevan's Third Annual 'All This Crap Must GO!' Sale" |
| 05:21.16 | Jerub | I'm trying to work out if it's worth going to 4T9 druid healer set |
| 05:21.18 | Dagmar | 983g |
| 05:21.19 | Xzibit | damn :( doesnt help me |
| 05:21.47 | Dagmar | Not a damn thing over 100g in value in the lot either. Maybe 3 things over 50g |
| 05:21.52 | Jerub | i nearly have enough tokens to buy all the T9.0 items at once. |
| 05:21.55 | Dagmar | Go go gadget mailbox addons |
| 05:21.57 | Xzibit | If anyone could help me trouble shoot.. The Event of 'killing blow' isnt working in my addon http://pastebin.com/m1d592932 |
| 05:22.31 | Dagmar | Amarande: honestly you should have gotten that stuff into the AH on Sunday |
| 05:22.38 | Dagmar | Your AH options are somewhat limited _now_ |
| 05:22.59 | Jerub | what db does blizzard actually use? |
| 05:23.13 | Dagmar | Probably Oracle. Possibly MySQL |
| 05:23.23 | Dagmar | I would bust a gut if I thought they used MSSQL |
| 05:23.28 | Shirik | I doubt MySQL |
| 05:23.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd wager oracle |
| 05:23.34 | Shirik | I would too |
| 05:24.01 | NightHawkTheSane | mysql -might- have the power to do what blizzard needs, but i'm doubtful |
| 05:24.41 | Amarande | ooh, sweet, we get to retain WG for tomorrow morning I think |
| 05:25.00 | Amarande | we're defense, and I don't think Ally will have time to beat us before WG gets unceremoniously interrupted in the middle by the server shutdown |
| 05:25.06 | Kraps | slightly NSFW http://twitpic.com/sgom0 |
| 05:25.07 | Amarande | since WG starts like almost *right before* |
| 05:26.13 | DWSR | Kraps: Meh. |
| 05:26.27 | DWSR | Only if you can see her naughty bits, imo |
| 05:26.41 | Dagmar | You can't. |
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| 05:27.17 | Amarande | remember, don't log out in Dalaran, or you might have lagginess issues |
| 05:27.20 | Jerub | ooh, nice headset |
| 05:27.51 | Amarande | PTR folks: is 3.3 going to require simply updating addons or more likely a complete retooling of our UIs? |
| 05:28.06 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, tiny updates at most. |
| 05:28.20 | ZorbaBeta | man why don't you do this stuff *before* 3.3 comes out? |
| 05:28.22 | Dagmar | Meh. I despise over-the-head designs for gaming |
| 05:28.26 | Thunder_Child | if you have a good computer, you wont have lag, it's simple |
| 05:28.58 | Amarande | also, on a more trivial leveling note |
| 05:29.05 | Amarande | though I could have asked this any Monday heh |
| 05:29.15 | ZorbaBeta | seriously it does not take that long to snag the PTR and give your addons a onceover |
| 05:29.15 | Amarande | do you get rested xp credit for the server downtime hours, or no? |
| 05:29.21 | Jerub | Amarande: yes. |
| 05:29.26 | Dagmar | If the RAF player you are grouped with is a Tauren, yes you'll be allowed to ride them at level 1. |
| 05:29.43 | Dagmar | Amarande: Considering that time passes when you're logged out? |
| 05:29.50 | Amarande | Dagmar: well, yeah |
| 05:30.04 | Amarande | but I wondered if it was a sort of server heartbeat process that wouldn't be going on while the servers were down |
| 05:30.22 | Dagmar | Do you honestly think someone would care enough to code it in so that you get penalized rest XP for _Blizzard_ being offline? |
| 05:30.32 | Jerub | Amarande: while they take their free monies for AH deposits during downtime, the rested XP thing also increments. |
| 05:30.33 | Amarande | Dagmar: hell no. |
| 05:30.52 | Dagmar | ...and would the forum bitching about that have stopped before the year 2036? |
| 05:30.54 | Amarande | I figured it would have been more "server's down, therefore whatever process is responsible for updating rested XP every X amount of time isn't running either" |
| 05:31.02 | Jerub | has anyone else seen huge inflation in the arctic fur market? |
| 05:31.06 | Dagmar | Amarande: Dude. It's called "time" |
| 05:31.10 | Amarande | Jerub: not me, but I'm not surprised. |
| 05:31.13 | Dagmar | You don't have to manually increment it. |
| 05:31.13 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
| 05:31.16 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, chances are good there's no such process, it just calculates it on login |
| 05:31.29 | Amarande | Jerub: People are probably desperately trying to get their last bits of huge profits off of arctic fur now |
| 05:31.30 | NightHawkTheSane | its easy to see who actually understands how stuff gets implemented by statements like that |
| 05:31.47 | Amarande | since I read 3.3 lets you trade heavy borean for it, which will set a ceiling on the salable price for it |
| 05:31.58 | Dagmar | I would up and use foul language at my boss if he asked me to write something that counted minutes, one at a time, once per minute, as it's primary function. |
| 05:32.03 | Jerub | Amarande: you can WHAT? |
| 05:32.08 | ZorbaBeta | oh, really? nice, my leatherworker just got a new wrist that I haven't enchanted yet |
| 05:32.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: yeah, they're adding a trade in for fur |
| 05:32.22 | Jerub | should go list his last arctic fur now... |
| 05:32.39 | Jerub | dath'remar-us saw inflation from 40g to 150g in the last month |
| 05:32.41 | NightHawkTheSane | because that shit's too rare >< |
| 05:32.42 | Dagmar | I don't _let_ materials build up anymore |
| 05:33.22 | Jerub | it's also used in the toc patterns. at least 6 in each LW pattern. |
| 05:33.28 | Dagmar | Of course, having an exceptional run of laziness and letting about 1kg in eternals go *pfft* stale in the mailbox is part of that |
| 05:33.42 | Jerub | I wonder why the market's going crazy at the same time as doing 2 breastplate LW items in 10 minutes for people on trade. |
| 05:34.07 | Dagmar | Jerub: They don't want to try to find someone to make them one tomorrow |
| 05:34.13 | Jerub | fur tradin isn't listed in patch notes. |
| 05:34.22 | Dagmar | The response of most crafters will be "eff off I've got things to kill." |
| 05:34.54 | Jerub | i am going to skin the shit out of cross realm lfg random dungeons. |
| 05:35.08 | Dagmar | ...but since I base my prices off the going rate of materials anyway, I don't have much incentive to stockpile anymore |
| 05:35.26 | Jerub | Amarande: CITATION NEEDED |
| 05:35.34 | Amarande | Warlock name win: "Marbas" |
| 05:36.04 | Dagmar | Hah |
| 05:36.10 | Dagmar | That isn't SFW to Google |
| 05:36.22 | Dagmar | There's an absolutely great thumbnail that appears |
| 05:37.21 | Amarande | Dagmar: what isn't? |
| 05:37.33 | Dagmar | The name 'Marbas' |
| 05:37.37 | Amarande | well |
| 05:37.42 | Dagmar | I knew it was one of Solomon's demons, but I couldn't remember which one |
| 05:37.44 | Amarande | it IS the name of one of Solomon's 72 |
| 05:37.51 | Dagmar | The fifth. |
| 05:37.55 | Amarande | which is why it looks perfect for a warlock |
| 05:38.05 | Amarande | and gods, I can not remember anymore what order they're listed in Lemegeton |
| 05:38.21 | Amarande | I made the mistake of packing away my copy into a box somewhere in the closet and now I don't know which box so I'm not gonna go searching. |
| 05:38.28 | WobWork | Jerub: I've heard that also about the arctic fur |
| 05:38.46 | Amarande | I do have a hardcover of the full Lesser Key, though. :) |
| 05:38.59 | Amarande | ok, 3.3 question |
| 05:39.03 | Dagmar | Amarande: THe internet is new and strange to you, isn't it |
| 05:39.04 | Amarande | are we getting talents auto-reset on us again? |
| 05:39.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: logic and reason is strange to him |
| 05:39.45 | Dagmar | Amarande: Just type 'Lemegeton' into the awesome bar |
| 05:39.54 | Dagmar | It comes right up. |
| 05:40.25 | WobWork | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20565887057&sid=1 |
| 05:40.46 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, generally when I actually own a book I tend to think less of the idea of googling. :P |
| 05:41.29 | Jerub | okay, so that's 60 leather == 1 fur |
| 05:41.31 | WobWork | You clearly need more indoctrination |
| 05:41.40 | WobWork | Google should always be your first thought |
| 05:41.45 | Dagmar | WobWork: That guys sig is great |
| 05:41.46 | Amarande | hmm, what brought this one on? "All abilities that have base cooldowns of 10 minutes or longer cannot be used in Arenas, down from 15 minutes." |
| 05:41.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i google for shit that's in books on the other side of my desk |
| 05:42.02 | Dagmar | Amarande: The books like that I have live in acid-free polybags |
| 05:42.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: they're lowering cds on a bunch of abilities |
| 05:42.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: which you'd knwo if you finished reading the notes before making inane comments :P |
| 05:42.17 | Jerub | Amarande: rebirth is 10minute CD |
| 05:42.19 | Dagmar | Each with their own personal stash of delicious sodium silica gel in case they get hungry |
| 05:42.22 | DWSR | Amarande: they're lowering the cooldowns on a bunch of abilities in order to make them less 'uber cooldown'-ish |
| 05:42.24 | WobWork | Dagmar: that's pretty awesome |
| 05:43.02 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, maybe I should have put Lemegeton in one |
| 05:43.05 | Amarande | it did cost me forty bucks after all |
| 05:43.08 | DWSR | Amarande: Also, it's to help make them available for every attempt at a boss. Stuff like Hero, Army, Rebirth, etc. |
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| 05:43.18 | Amarande | Yeah, that's win. :) |
| 05:43.23 | WobWork | Dagmar: It kinda makes me inspired to level a toon like that |
| 05:43.31 | Amarande | Although I always thought a better way to manage that might be to reset cooldowns on everything (except rezzes) when you die |
| 05:43.44 | Dagmar | WobWork: If that's not fake that dude is hardcore |
| 05:43.45 | WobWork | or one with a moral obligation to say, "Not kill humanoids" or something |
| 05:43.53 | Amarande | Or if that would be imba, when your entire party/raid dies, reset all CDs |
| 05:44.13 | WobWork | Amarande: like Reincarnation? =P |
| 05:44.30 | DWSR | imo, cooldowns should get shortened when you die. |
| 05:44.31 | ZorbaBeta | personally, I'd approach it differently - when you pull a boss, the boss casts a raid-wide buff that resets all cooldowns |
| 05:44.41 | ZorbaBeta | boof, you're all awesome |
| 05:44.42 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Yeah, that's not a bad idea either |
| 05:44.51 | Amarande | you know, the conflagrate change keeps making me wonder something and then I keep headdesking when I think a bit more about it |
| 05:45.00 | Amarande | I'm like "will it now not work on mobs immune to dots because of the dot part?" |
| 05:45.09 | Amarande | then I'm like "DUH THE MOB HAS TO HAVE A DOT ON IT FOR YOU TO USE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU FOOL" |
| 05:45.10 | DWSR | No mobs are specifically immune to dots, are they? |
| 05:45.20 | Amarande | DWSR: a very, very few high level old world mobs |
| 05:45.23 | Thunder_Child | "Top-level helm and shoulder faction-related enchants are now available as Bind-on-Account items that do not require any faction to use once purchased (they still require the appropriate faction level to purchase)." also rather nice |
| 05:45.27 | DWSR | Oh, then who fucking cares. |
| 05:45.28 | Dagmar | Squirrels are |
| 05:45.30 | Amarande | DWSR: there's one dragon in Blasted Lands that notably is |
| 05:45.47 | DWSR | Amarande: That's a PvP related nerf, btw. Conflagrate's burst is fucking rediculous. |
| 05:45.57 | DWSR | I'm so sad that they're nerfing it. Might switch to UA PvP now |
| 05:46.21 | Amarande | DWSR: I mainly was considering whether it would result in significant PvE issues. |
| 05:46.29 | DWSR | no |
| 05:46.46 | Dagmar | Disturbing. I mentioned that twitpic in another channel. Someone just gave me three more URLs of the same girl |
| 05:47.02 | Torhal | Dagmar: She has followers on Twitter...go figure |
| 05:47.05 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:47.08 | Amarande | There may be a small handful of other mobs that are dot immune |
| 05:47.43 | Amarande | Probably only in Old World though. Apparently it was a measure Blizzard took at a certain point to deal with people kiting crap to SW and pissing off all the babies who thought they didn't have to worry about anything while socializing and being douches in trade chat. :) |
| 05:47.45 | Dagmar | Torhal: Apparently she was in Playboy or something |
| 05:47.59 | DWSR | Dagmar: Links. Nao |
| 05:48.06 | Amarande | Before they just started giving mobs tighter leashes :P |
| 05:48.15 | Dagmar | Amarande: Like you guys don't cry when Crossroads gets eaten by a dragon |
| 05:48.35 | Amarande | Dagmar: Can't remember the last time Crossroads was eaten by anything but 80 NE rogues and cat druids |
| 05:48.40 | Dagmar | DWSR: http://twitpic.com/lr0s6 http://twitpic.com/jqgmo http://twitpic.com/grkce |
| 05:48.49 | Amarande | (which pisses the hell off of me, because I can't do anything about it, since rogues are ideally suited to destroy warlocks 1v1) |
| 05:49.13 | DWSR | Dagmar: Hawt. |
| 05:49.21 | DWSR | Amarande: You're a bad warlock then. |
| 05:49.28 | Amarande | I can only defend XR if it's lower levels attacking it, or if the attackers have crappy gear. |
| 05:49.29 | DWSR | 1v1 I stand up to rogues rather well. |
| 05:49.55 | Dagmar | Amarande: You've never seen the dragon pay a visit? |
| 05:49.59 | Amarande | Which dragon? |
| 05:50.06 | Dagmar | The one from the south |
| 05:50.16 | Amarande | Unless someone's kiting Ysondre or her kin from Ashenvale or Feralas I can't imagine it happening. |
| 05:50.26 | Dagmar | I've never even looked at it's name. Too busy running my little legs off |
| 05:50.27 | Amarande | I can't remember which other dragon there was that was kitable |
| 05:50.39 | Amarande | Dagmar: it's not one of the green dream portal ones being kited is it? |
| 05:50.52 | Dagmar | Nope. In some cave or other |
| 05:50.58 | Amarande | OH |
| 05:51.00 | Amarande | NOW I THINK I KNOW. |
| 05:51.07 | Amarande | The one that's involved in the old UBRS attunement quest? |
| 05:51.21 | Amarande | In Dustwallow? |
| 05:51.32 | Dagmar | If I'm in that area willingly, I'm usually pretty drunk |
| 05:51.48 | Jerub | what about ony? |
| 05:51.50 | Amarande | I remember having to tangle with an elite dragon down there, since I do have Seal of Ascension on my 80 |
| 05:52.02 | Amarande | Jerub: errmmm ... Ony can't cross the instance portal ... *doh* |
| 05:52.11 | Dagmar | Ooh yeah Dustwallow |
| 05:52.16 | Dagmar | That sounds right |
| 05:54.37 | Amarande | Another 3.3 ... Any offhands in the Badge of Frost gear, or are the only badge offhands still the ancient ilvl 200 ones? |
| 05:58.06 | NightHawkTheSane | you could actually look this stuff up yourself |
| 05:58.19 | Thunder_Child | unpossible |
| 05:59.06 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
| 05:59.09 | Fisker | i made you a fart |
| 05:59.11 | Fisker | but i ated it :( |
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| 06:03.31 | Amarande | *sigh* still no newer badge offhands |
| 06:03.40 | Amarande | wtf is with the lack of offhands in wotlk anyway |
| 06:04.07 | DWSR | Don't be a scrub |
| 06:04.36 | Jerub | Amarande: I have a fine OH |
| 06:04.44 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, you don't need too many, the only classes that want one will largely share the same ones |
| 06:05.01 | Jerub | toc10 drop, [Lightbane Focus] |
| 06:05.15 | NightHawkTheSane | you basically need two per tier, one with hit, one without. :P |
| 06:05.24 | DWSR | exactly. |
| 06:05.39 | Jerub | (i have the DPS one, but it's in my heal set) |
| 06:06.09 | Thunder_Child | you could even do with just one |
| 06:06.41 | DWSR | T_C: Yeah, but 2's a bit better, because it reduces competition. |
| 06:06.45 | Amarande | yeah, I think I'm mostly noting that certain slots are almost impossible to upgrade without actually raiding. |
| 06:06.55 | Jerub | Amarande: oh, no, how terrible. |
| 06:07.04 | Amarande | Most slots you can go all the way up to 232/245 via badges, but a few specific sticking-point slots never seem to get badge-based upgrades. |
| 06:07.12 | Jerub | yep, that's right |
| 06:07.15 | Jerub | to encourage you to raid. |
| 06:07.23 | Jerub | is it working? |
| 06:07.24 | DWSR | Oh my god. |
| 06:07.29 | DWSR | Having to raid for gear upgrades? |
| 06:07.31 | DWSR | No way. |
| 06:07.32 | Dagmar | ...and to buy from vendors |
| 06:07.58 | Jerub | and don't you dare complain about pugging, I've pugged every level 80 wow raid and finished all except uld, and that's because it's too long. |
| 06:08.11 | Amarande | heh, I'm looking forward to a lot of pugging starting tomorrow. |
| 06:08.20 | Thunder_Child | you pugged totgc25? |
| 06:08.30 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: no, just toc25. |
| 06:08.36 | Amarande | now that the new LFG tool makes things a breeze instead of having to sit around in chat spamming LFM |
| 06:08.44 | Thunder_Child | then you havent pugged every level |
| 06:08.45 | Jerub | but i have pugged togc10 |
| 06:08.55 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: that's right, i haven't. |
| 06:09.18 | Thunder_Child | i would have been impressed if you had, thats a hard one to pug |
| 06:09.57 | WobWork | you can pug it |
| 06:10.06 | WobWork | actually finishing it is another matter |
| 06:11.51 | Amarande | man, Outland sucks. |
| 06:12.01 | Jerub | Amarande: nagrand in outland is probably the only zone i don't hate. |
| 06:12.12 | Amarande | I was thinking in specific reference to 3.3 |
| 06:12.17 | Amarande | I mean, let's have a look at rewards |
| 06:12.24 | Amarande | If you do a daily random in Lich King, you get badges |
| 06:12.31 | Amarande | If you do a daily random in Classic, you get a satchel of helpful gods |
| 06:12.33 | Amarande | er, goods |
| 06:12.43 | Amarande | if you do a daily random in Outland ... you DON'T GET JACK. |
| 06:12.49 | Amarande | yeah, outland sucks. LOL |
| 06:12.59 | Jerub | you get XP |
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| 06:13.12 | Amarande | I mean, besides the normal gold/XP award based on level |
| 06:13.18 | Thunder_Child | Amarande: wrong. "Level-appropriate rewards will be offered to players who choose the Random Dungeon option for pre-Wrath of the Lich King dungeons. " |
| 06:13.44 | Amarande | T_C: yeah, xp (if applicable) and gold at all levels |
| 06:13.55 | Amarande | I'm just wondering why classic and LK both get an item, but outland doesn't |
| 06:14.40 | Thunder_Child | where, does it say that? vs. what i just posted |
| 06:15.55 | Amarande | http://www.wowwiki.com/Looking_For_Group |
| 06:16.18 | Amarande | money and XP are based on a table (incomplete) |
| 06:16.21 | Amarande | items: |
| 06:16.24 | Amarande | "# For a Random Classic Dungeon that is a Satchel of Helpful Goods. |
| 06:16.24 | Amarande | # For a Random Burning Crusade Normal or Heroic Dungeon that is nothing." |
| 06:18.05 | Thunder_Child | concidering there is no source for that official patch notes > wiki |
| 06:19.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Sara spelled without an H was getting bored. |
| 06:21.22 | NightHawkTheSane | On a Peavea amp in 1984 \ While Zak without a C tried out some new guitars |
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| 06:27.18 | Amarande | you know, something just occurred to me about arena |
| 06:27.40 | Amarande | the change to teams starting at 0 instead of 1500 ... doesn't that, in the end, make the 2200+ weapons *even harder than ever* to get, even for great teams? |
| 06:27.59 | Amarande | I'm mainly thinking ... I'm pretty familiar with Elo, since I play chess, and it seems to me |
| 06:28.24 | Amarande | that every time new teams percolate into the system, over time they will depress the average rating, essentially siphoning points out of the system as their own rating builds |
| 06:28.35 | Amarande | thus making it even harder to get a high rating than in the old days |
| 06:29.25 | Jerub | Amarande: it's pvp, who cares? |
| 06:29.28 | Jerub | :P |
| 06:29.53 | NightHawkTheSane | top-tier pvp is hard to get? welcome to the point, how was yoru flight? you must be tired having come from ANCIENT HISTORY. |
| 06:30.33 | Amarande | Night: there's hard, and then there's ridiculous. |
| 06:30.44 | Amarande | 2200 ... is pretty much World Championship caliber, right? |
| 06:31.44 | NightHawkTheSane | probably in the same way being decked out in 258s is at that level. |
| 06:32.05 | Amarande | ehh |
| 06:32.21 | Amarande | I kinda expect there are far more players, even as a percentage of population, decked out in 258s than in arena top tier |
| 06:32.33 | NightHawkTheSane | who cares? |
| 06:32.35 | Amarande | er, as a percentage of the respective populations "raiders" and "arena players" |
| 06:32.43 | Jerub | i have ilvl 251 pants i don't even wear :P |
| 06:32.46 | Jerub | because they're pvp. |
| 06:32.55 | NightHawkTheSane | you're still comparing apples and bulldozers. |
| 06:33.08 | Amarande | there's probably some top tier pvp weapons where .. well ... |
| 06:33.23 | Amarande | let's just say there's probably more Black Qiraji Battle Tanks on some battlegroups than there are some specific 258 PvP weapons right now. |
| 06:33.56 | Amarande | in fact, unless they've fixed the classism at top arena tiers, it's probably certain. |
| 06:34.10 | Amarande | hmm, I'm not that up to date with arena. |
| 06:34.35 | Amarande | are we still getting it being the case where almost all the super high (2200+, say) arena teams in each bracket are the same classes? |
| 06:34.46 | Amarande | I know when arenas came out, virtually all top tier arena teams were identical combinations :| |
| 06:35.31 | Jerub | OH LOOK! PONIES! |
| 06:38.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i like ponies |
| 06:38.31 | NightHawkTheSane | ... for breakfast! |
| 06:38.35 | Thunder_Child | i dont |
| 06:38.42 | Thunder_Child | i prefer them for lunch |
| 06:39.15 | NightHawkTheSane | to each their own, good sir |
| 06:40.21 | WobWork | Ponies for breakfast... pshaw |
| 06:40.44 | WobWork | Ponies are far too heavy for breakfast! |
| 06:40.50 | WobWork | You'll weigh yourself down for the rest of the day |
| 06:41.01 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i usually dont get breakfast until like 10-11 |
| 06:41.11 | batrick | Link to the wow background loader data for 3.3: http://www.batbytes.com/torrents/Updates |
| 06:41.19 | batrick | For those who want a quick http download |
| 06:41.43 | Thunder_Child | can i just waste your bandwidth? |
| 06:41.55 | batrick | sure |
| 06:42.00 | Shirik | linode gives you way too much bandwidth |
| 06:42.03 | Jerub | batrick: do you have OSX versions? |
| 06:42.06 | Shirik | I don't think I've ever gotten within 1% |
| 06:42.09 | batrick | Jerub: nope sry |
| 06:42.16 | Jerub | cries. |
| 06:42.19 | batrick | although my understanding was they are the same data-wise |
| 06:42.22 | batrick | guess not? |
| 06:42.50 | batrick | Shirik: I got past 50% when I seeded the ubuntu 9.10 ISOs |
| 06:47.44 | Dagmar | Oh wow |
| 06:47.52 | WobWork | Ponies? |
| 06:48.04 | Dagmar | Well, I was just looking into simple hosting for a mumble server |
| 06:48.19 | Jerub | what's mumble? |
| 06:48.23 | Jerub | is it vent but not suck? |
| 06:48.25 | Dagmar | Linode's a little pricey for me to jump to at the moment, but I found someone who apparently charges per slot |
| 06:48.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: more or less |
| 06:49.13 | WobWork | Jerub: yes |
| 06:49.21 | Dagmar | Gonna have to get the guildies trying one of their test servers out to see if it'll do us better than Vent |
| 06:49.22 | WobWork | it's vent that works well cross platform |
| 06:49.32 | Jerub | heh |
| 06:49.45 | Jerub | i'd quite like to use my (linux) laptop for venting |
| 06:49.51 | Jerub | vent sucks under wine |
| 06:50.01 | WobWork | yeah =( |
| 06:50.16 | WobWork | mumble worked flawlessly for me on linux |
| 06:50.58 | batrick | TS3 Beta in 11 days! |
| 06:51.12 | Thunder_Child | TS3? |
| 06:51.14 | Thunder_Child | i feel i should know that |
| 06:51.16 | batrick | team speak 3 |
| 06:51.22 | Thunder_Child | but i felt wrong |
| 06:51.33 | ZorbaBeta | unfortunately, it's still teamspeak |
| 06:51.50 | batrick | i'm pretty pumped about it |
| 06:51.52 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 06:51.54 | batrick | no more shitty vent |
| 06:52.03 | Thunder_Child | vent > TS atm |
| 06:52.06 | batrick | plus it has lua!!! |
| 06:52.15 | batrick | i mean... what more do you need to like it |
| 06:52.39 | Thunder_Child | BJ's? |
| 06:54.21 | WobWork | ... can you imagine if you weren't on push to talk? |
| 06:54.36 | Thunder_Child | sadly yes |
| 06:54.53 | Thunder_Child | though i am not a screamer |
| 06:55.32 | WobWork | grunter? |
| 06:55.34 | WobWork | moaner? |
| 06:55.40 | WobWork | hogger? |
| 06:55.47 | Thunder_Child | rather quiet |
| 06:55.49 | Jerub | grobulus? |
| 06:55.52 | kd3 | waaahahaha |
| 07:01.24 | ZorbaBeta | I love how all of blizzard's "channel this special item effect to defeat an enemy" quests are bugged |
| 07:02.01 | ZorbaBeta | it calculates the range and whether you can do it based on the enemy you have targeted at the beginning of the channel, but actually defeats the enemy you have targeted at the *end* of the channel |
| 07:02.08 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: i hate the quest "Not A Bug!" |
| 07:02.39 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: are you saying that you can use it to kill dragons? |
| 07:02.54 | ZorbaBeta | it may be limited to the kinds of enemies you're able to ever defeat with that item |
| 07:03.08 | ZorbaBeta | you *can* use it to kill the right kind of enemy forty yards away |
| 07:03.18 | Jerub | hah |
| 07:05.48 | Yssaril | ZorbaBeta: thats not a bug its a feature |
| 07:06.26 | Amarande | Zorba: wait, you mean you could even use the slime zapper thingy in dustwallow to destroy, say, the gnome (or is it a goblin) who gives you the quest? LOL |
| 07:06.52 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: It is |
| 07:06.52 | Amarande | I never quite thought to investigate stupid slime zapper tricks. |
| 07:07.04 | Amarande | I actually did that quest the other day, too. |
| 07:07.07 | Dagmar | Amarande: No, but you can use it to destroy other slimes that are way far away |
| 07:07.25 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I doubt you can use it to defeat the wrong target entirely |
| 07:07.33 | Dagmar | It makes you able to complete the quest lightning fast, but does not give you the power to smite your foes |
| 07:07.36 | ZorbaBeta | but you can certainly use it to snipe ridiculous differences |
| 07:07.36 | Amarande | And I'm not sure why people hate Dustwallow, either ... other than finding those damned Theramore Infiltrators who are stealthed and nonhostile ... |
| 07:07.41 | ZorbaBeta | *distances |
| 07:08.00 | ZorbaBeta | (also, funnily enough, that's the exact quest I just did) |
| 07:08.02 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: No need to doubt. I tested it. |
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| 07:08.09 | Dagmar | It only works against slimes |
| 07:12.23 | Fisker- | you wouldn't |
| 07:12.35 | ZorbaBeta | why are all of these dragons carrying around ham steaks |
| 07:12.46 | Shirik | you would Fisker |
| 07:12.49 | Shirik | - |
| 07:13.06 | Shirik | avztyoacytjuwqiq's Fisker- |
| 07:13.51 | Fisker- | btw cog|work |
| 07:14.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: little known fact, dragons LOVE ham |
| 07:14.17 | Fisker- | global warming is a libertarian conspiracy |
| 07:14.43 | ZorbaBeta | lolbertarian |
| 07:17.46 | ZorbaBeta | man rogues have so few fun new skills when leveling |
| 07:18.23 | DWSR | s/so few/no/ |
| 07:18.26 | ZorbaBeta | last time I visited the trainer was lv40, and the next real reason I have to go back is lv46 |
| 07:18.38 | ZorbaBeta | and that's just a new rank of Sinister Strike |
| 07:20.02 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: You're leveling combat?\ |
| 07:20.27 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, yeah |
| 07:20.30 | DWSR | Fail. |
| 07:20.32 | DWSR | Level sub. |
| 07:20.40 | ZorbaBeta | it was recommended to me, and it's fun just obliterating stuff |
| 07:20.44 | DWSR | sub swords is lolop. |
| 07:20.58 | ZorbaBeta | well, I'm using a mace and a dagger, so, no swords for me |
| 07:21.27 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think weapon type matters much for sub, does it? |
| 07:21.34 | NightHawkTheSane | aside from "slow mh" |
| 07:21.37 | Fisker- | ~wowalert |
| 07:21.38 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 07:22.02 | Fisker- | NightHawkTheSane use swords |
| 07:22.08 | Fisker- | oh wait |
| 07:22.15 | Fisker- | i was thinking backstab QQ |
| 07:22.33 | Fisker- | But sub is hemo (moar like homo lol) |
| 07:23.14 | DWSR | NHTS: No, weapon type matters for sub. |
| 07:23.22 | DWSR | NHTS: You want to use slow, hard hitting MH. |
| 07:23.55 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, but as long as its slow, its fine. it can be a mace, sword, or axe |
| 07:24.03 | NightHawkTheSane | right? |
| 07:24.40 | Fisker- | 2handed axes NightHawkTheSane |
| 07:24.48 | Fisker- | shadowmourne! |
| 07:25.04 | DWSR | NHTS: Believe sowrds are actually better, but can't remember. |
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| 07:26.53 | DWSR | NHTS: No axes, swords or maces. |
| 07:27.06 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: why no axes? |
| 07:27.07 | DWSR | NHTS: And OH is always a dagger. |
| 07:27.09 | DWSR | NHTS: No idea. |
| 07:27.13 | DWSR | Shadowpanther.net says so. |
| 07:27.18 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 07:27.25 | NightHawkTheSane | don't take this the wrong way, but thats not a reason :P |
| 07:27.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i could see swords or maces only if you woere a human rogue |
| 07:27.44 | DWSR | Also, no axe OH. |
| 07:27.48 | DWSR | And I am a human rogue. |
| 07:27.59 | DWSR | no axe BoA OH. |
| 07:28.24 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, the lack of a BoA axe would obviously mean for that you wouldn't |
| 07:28.52 | DWSR | I'm talking about leveling atm, I don't think sub weapon matters, as long as the MH is slow hard hitting and you have an OH dagger for poisons. |
| 07:28.54 | NightHawkTheSane | but i dont see anything that says your MH needs to be a specific type, other than "slow and not a dagger" |
| 07:29.10 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, which.. is more or less what i said in the first place, i think? |
| 07:29.25 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 07:29.33 | DWSR | You're right |
| 07:29.48 | DWSR | Actually, with sub don't you normally pick up Close Quarters Combat? |
| 07:30.20 | NightHawkTheSane | not sure, you probably could |
| 07:30.20 | NightHawkTheSane | which would make fist/dagger particularly good |
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| 07:30.42 | zenzio | "The Canadian Recording Industry Association faces a lawsuit for 60 billion dollars over willful infringement. These numbers may sound outrageous, yet they are based on the same rules that led the recording industry to claim a single file sharer is liable for millions in damages. Since these exact same companies are currently in the middle of trying to force the Canadian government to bring in a DMCA for Canada, it will be interesting to see how they tr |
| 07:30.42 | zenzio | y to spin this." |
| 07:30.46 | zenzio | heh |
| 07:31.10 | ZorbaBeta | on the other hand, if you're leveling, you're not getting Close Quarters Combat for quite a few levels |
| 07:31.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 07:31.21 | ZorbaBeta | since you'll be putting most of your points into sub just to go down the tree faster. |
| 07:31.40 | NightHawkTheSane | and if you have any intention of picking up ruthlessness, you can't get more than 2 in CCQ. |
| 07:31.42 | ZorbaBeta | (I mean, if you're leveling sub, obviously) |
| 07:31.45 | NightHawkTheSane | CQC* |
| 07:32.07 | ZorbaBeta | ruthlessness is kind of pointless for leveling, honestly |
| 07:32.29 | ZorbaBeta | by the time you've used a finishing move, your target is dead. |
| 07:32.37 | ZorbaBeta | half the time it's dead *before* you use a finishing move. |
| 07:32.38 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 07:32.57 | DWSR | Esp. with hemo. |
| 07:33.03 | NightHawkTheSane | but, equally, any points in ruthlessness or CQC are going to be 75-80 anyway, though |
| 07:33.23 | DWSR | http://shadowpanther.net/leveling.htm#Hemo |
| 07:33.30 | DWSR | 65-67 |
| 07:33.50 | Fisker- | cog|work: |
| 07:33.53 | Fisker- | it's cold here |
| 07:33.58 | Fisker- | global warming is a fraud |
| 07:34.01 | Fisker- | who is spencer btw? |
| 07:34.14 | Thunder_Child | you're a fraud as well |
| 07:35.01 | Fisker- | no proof Thunder_Child |
| 07:35.03 | Fisker- | ses på grillen |
| 07:36.40 | Thunder_Child | another woot-off |
| 07:37.51 | Fisker- | wut? |
| 07:39.06 | Fisker- | oh lol |
| 07:39.09 | Fisker- | he |
| 07:39.11 | Amarande | "Nethack isn't a "game" as much as an extremely prolonged form of masochism." -- TV Tropes |
| 07:39.12 | Fisker- | he's fox |
| 07:39.23 | Fisker- | looks down upon cog|work with pity |
| 07:39.26 | Fisker- | etc. |
| 07:45.01 | Fisker- | you wouldn't kill me Thunder_Child |
| 07:45.29 | Thunder_Child | kills Fisker- |
| 07:45.41 | Fisker- | i lol'd btw |
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| 07:45.52 | Fisker- | Someone said like "zomg mobileme has remote wipe, etc." |
| 07:46.10 | Fisker- | and i was like "Yeah because Apple allow 3rd party developer to make similar features riiiiiiight?" |
| 07:47.53 | Dagmar | Most games would *love* to have the detail of NetHack |
| 07:48.13 | krka | games dont have feelings |
| 07:48.36 | DWSR | Neither does (wait for it......) your mom |
| 07:49.03 | Fisker- | The 25 primordial saronite gives you shadow's edge right? |
| 07:50.15 | Dagmar | And a shiny new monitor tan |
| 07:50.50 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-: http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=906 |
| 07:53.25 | Fisker- | doesn't really say if you get it or not |
| 07:53.36 | Fisker- | but i'll assume you'll get it after doing the hammer quest |
| 07:56.16 | Fisker- | weekly raid is 5 emblems of frost right? |
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| 07:59.24 | Shirik | Fisker- what do you think you're doing |
| 07:59.34 | Fisker- | i'm killing you Shirik |
| 07:59.40 | Shirik | I loled |
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| 08:07.14 | zenzio | http://failblog.org/2009/12/07/suspect-win/ o_O |
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| 08:13.25 | Amarande | hmm |
| 08:13.36 | Amarande | how long after patch do you think it will take for primordial saronite to appear on AH, and at what cost? |
| 08:14.01 | Amarande | I didn't see it in the emblem of frost gear, so it seems like these are going to remain ridiculously expensive for the balance of Wrath like Hearts of Darkness did in BC |
| 08:14.20 | zenzio | is it mined or looted? |
| 08:14.34 | DWSR | looted |
| 08:15.10 | Fisker- | And bought from emblems |
| 08:15.51 | Fisker- | I just figured that in a week we could get enough primordial saronite to cover all of our melee dps'er several times :P |
| 08:15.51 | Amarande | hmm, did I miss something on the emblem of frost list? |
| 08:16.23 | Fisker- | Daily Heroic, Toralon(or whatever his name is), IC and Weekly Raid |
| 08:16.47 | Amarande | after the discussion regarding gnome engineering arrows, I was then wondering how mind-numbingly long it will take me to be able to get or afford those recipes in the first place |
| 08:16.53 | Grum | VoA boss is not in yet |
| 08:16.58 | Thunder_Child | oh lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=414TmP12WAU&feature=player_embedded |
| 08:17.04 | Fisker- | oh yeah Grum |
| 08:17.04 | Fisker- | i forgot |
| 08:17.09 | Fisker- | they're jerks |
| 08:17.28 | Grum | so theoretically you can get 14 (dailies), 5 (weekly) and i think 2x4x3 from bosses -- so 43 |
| 08:17.57 | Grum | but i'm guessing the bosses might drop 2,2,2,3 instead of 3 for each |
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| 08:19.20 | Amarande | also: the bosses aren't all going to be available at release, I heard? |
| 08:19.31 | Fisker- | yeah Amarande |
| 08:19.31 | Amarande | like it's going to unlock over time like Sunwell, so it's gonna be next year before we can meet Arthas? |
| 08:19.35 | Fisker- | that's why he only list 4 bosses |
| 08:19.36 | Fisker- | :P |
| 08:19.43 | Fisker- | there's 12 in total |
| 08:19.51 | Amarande | I wonder how long Arthas will be available before we get slapped with Cata |
| 08:20.07 | Arrowmaster | a year |
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| 08:20.12 | Fisker- | 3-4 months? |
| 08:20.29 | Amarande | At least this time they cut straight to the chase and did the over-time-unlocks feature instead of what they experimented with with Sunwell |
| 08:20.34 | Amarande | Anyone remember the Essence of Immortal fiasco? :) |
| 08:21.04 | Fisker- | i just wish they did like totc/totgc |
| 08:21.17 | Fisker- | It was so awesome you could progress in normal while trying hardmodes |
| 08:21.21 | zenzio | Amarande: indeed |
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| 08:22.02 | Grum | i hated togc |
| 08:22.20 | Fisker- | In what way? |
| 08:22.27 | Grum | running that instance 4 times for your main and an additional 2/3 times for each alt per week sucks |
| 08:22.30 | Fisker- | because if we're talking bosses and layout i agree :P |
| 08:22.43 | Amarande | Fisker: yeah, I think I went over Grum's gripe earlier |
| 08:22.58 | Fisker- | You can do all 4 in 3 hours easily |
| 08:23.00 | Amarande | Especially if you're a tank, and then you basically *have* to run both 10 and 25 man versions because of the loot tables and tank itemization |
| 08:23.09 | Grum | yeah :( |
| 08:23.12 | Fisker- | yeah that sucks Amarande |
| 08:23.24 | Fisker- | I found out there's no tank weapons from 25-man before heroic mode |
| 08:23.48 | Amarande | Ahh, I never read that one, what I did read is that apparently the only TOC raid tank gear that has hit rating on it is in the 10 man versions |
| 08:23.50 | Grum | 10m hard 45 tries chest has a weapon |
| 08:23.59 | Amarande | and of course, hit rating being a necessity, you thus *can't* rely on just the 25 |
| 08:24.27 | Fisker- | yeah hit is nice |
| 08:24.37 | Thunder_Child | http://code.google.com/p/namebench/ |
| 08:24.40 | Fisker- | Probably doubled in hit and tripled in expertise since i got totc10 gear :D |
| 08:24.43 | Amarande | hrm ... once hunter hits 80 and is geared enough to go raiding ... hmm, to go for Jaraxxus, or Auriaya 25 ... |
| 08:24.59 | Amarande | Suppose I probably should visit both each week until one or the other weapon drops. |
| 08:25.01 | Fisker- | I actually think i hit the expertise cap |
| 08:25.05 | Fisker- | or atleast was very close |
| 08:25.18 | Fisker- | had 50ish expertise |
| 08:25.36 | Amarande | How long should I expect to take for a character to go from 39 to 80-and-geared now? |
| 08:25.37 | Fisker- | i believe it's 52 or 54 to be capped |
| 08:26.00 | Fisker- | with 3.3 probably not long |
| 08:26.10 | Fisker- | Took me like a week to get decent gear |
| 08:26.22 | Amarande | Wonder if it will be TOC/TOGC or Ulduar that gets the short end of the popularity stick now |
| 08:26.38 | Grum | Amarande: 40-60 is about 8-16 hours, 60-70 ~20-30h orso and 70-80 about 3 hrs per level |
| 08:26.41 | Amarande | Wouldn't be surprised if it's the former, with the number of people who hate the Argent Tournament raid with a passion now |
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| 08:27.00 | Amarande | Whereas Ulduar is ... well, one of the only two actual full-scale raid dungeons we've got so far, and the only one that's *original* |
| 08:27.00 | Grum | then gearing, i hope you have a guild to drag you along for some fodder, but with 3.3 you will be able to do as many heroics as you please |
| 08:27.29 | Amarande | you can pretty much gear up purely through heroics now I suppose anyway |
| 08:27.34 | Amarande | at least to T9 via badges |
| 08:27.37 | Grum | so you then get 4pt9 (232) with ~150 emblems |
| 08:27.53 | Grum | and then you do the new heroics for some filler 232 pieces |
| 08:28.24 | Grum | you can run voa/togc (10/25 normal) without much problems then |
| 08:28.31 | Amarande | And thankfully, far as I know, I don't really need to know much of anything but pewpew for Auriaya. :) |
| 08:28.45 | Grum | stand in a stack, that's it |
| 08:28.46 | Amarande | From what I understand, 90% of the difficulty with her is the pullers learning to do it without someone becoming instant friskies |
| 08:28.52 | Grum | yup |
| 08:29.03 | Amarande | 80,000 damage right off the bat doesn't really do a tank good LOL |
| 08:29.15 | Grum | take something like a spriest/whatever class with either lots of HP or proper -dmg (dispersion for -90% etc) |
| 08:29.34 | Grum | i (as spriest) usually pull at auriaya |
| 08:29.50 | Grum | shield+hot+well timed dispersion gives me about 15k dmg orso |
| 08:30.25 | Amarande | I'm also going to go out on a limb and suppose that battle does indeed need five tanks and five tank-dedicated healers |
| 08:30.47 | Fisker- | ah |
| 08:30.49 | Fisker- | what boss is this? |
| 08:30.53 | Grum | the warship battle? |
| 08:30.54 | Amarande | because there's really no way to keep the cats' damage below 20k a hit till they start dying, and you need one for the main boss too? |
| 08:30.55 | Amarande | Auriaya |
| 08:31.03 | Grum | oooh |
| 08:31.03 | Fisker- | we just have tanks pull and los |
| 08:31.05 | Fisker- | easy peasy |
| 08:31.09 | Grum | you want to do the catlady achievement? |
| 08:31.13 | zenzio | my warrior's still in his Naxx/EoE/OS25 gear... wonder how much work I'd have to put in to become "current" with ICC |
| 08:31.18 | zenzio | (tank-wise) |
| 08:31.27 | Amarande | Grum: I'm looking into reasonably accessible gear for my hunter |
| 08:31.50 | Amarande | considering that I'm Gnomish Engineering, and therefore would prefer to use an arrow-based weapon if possible, since the type of ammo you can make at the top end is path specific now |
| 08:32.02 | Amarande | Gnomish can only make the 91.5 arrows, Goblin can only make the bullets |
| 08:32.08 | Grum | zenzio: what i did was gem everything i had with +30sta and then just go voa+togc (10m)+ony+daily until i had enough triumph for 2xt9 |
| 08:32.17 | Grum | then go for heroics/naxx/whatever to get 2xt8 |
| 08:32.29 | Amarande | the most likely choices are probably the bow from Auriaya or the crossbow from ... Jaraxxus I think it is |
| 08:32.30 | Grum | and by then you should have enough hp to do 25m |
| 08:32.46 | Grum | Amarande: patch brings new ammo as well |
| 08:33.03 | Amarande | Grum: yeah, the path-specific ammo is what I was speaking of |
| 08:33.11 | Amarande | each engineer can only make *one* of the two different kinds |
| 08:33.19 | Grum | oh lame |
| 08:33.19 | Amarande | so if you went eng on your hunter, you probably want to pick the right kind of weapon |
| 08:33.26 | Amarande | especially since: |
| 08:33.54 | Grum | at least you dont have to grind hodir rep on all of your toons O.o |
| 08:33.54 | Amarande | 1) primordial saronite, which people need to get those recipes at all, is going to be stupidly expensive in the beginning |
| 08:33.56 | Amarande | therefore |
| 08:33.57 | Grum | that saves bloody ages :D |
| 08:34.06 | Amarande | 2) relatively few people are going to be able to make the 91.5 ammo at all, which means |
| 08:34.11 | Grum | Amarande: dont expect to see that on the AH soon |
| 08:34.18 | Grum | at least not from raiding guilds |
| 08:34.20 | Amarande | 3) unless you have a hookup for 91.5 ammo, if you can't make the right type, you're going to be paying pissingly expensive prices on AH |
| 08:35.10 | Amarande | 4) this will probably be exacerbated, as the bulk of primordial saronite will probably NOT go to the ammo schematics for quite a while, but will be used by the raid guilds finding it to get the permanent hardware recipes and make said hardware instead ... |
| 08:35.42 | Grum | dont forget that every person able to carry a 2h axe will want/need 25 saronites |
| 08:36.10 | Fisker- | you have to purchase recipes with primordial saronite now? |
| 08:36.18 | Amarande | Grum: hmm, possibly not everyone |
| 08:36.28 | Grum | Amarande: legendary > epics :P |
| 08:36.31 | Fisker- | Every paladin at least :P |
| 08:36.37 | Amarande | ah, you mean shadowmourne. |
| 08:36.41 | Grum | aye |
| 08:36.45 | Grum | you need 25 for the questline |
| 08:36.46 | Amarande | I thought maybe one of the crafting recipes needed that. |
| 08:36.51 | Amarande | Hunters won't need it. |
| 08:36.56 | Grum | no, 6 for boots, 8 for panties |
| 08:37.22 | Grum | usually these craftables are BiS until you get mitts on ilvl277 items |
| 08:37.27 | Amarande | hmm, is the damage boost from the new 91.5 ammo actually going to be enough to make it worth it to go straight for the ability to make it? |
| 08:37.55 | Grum | i guess it all depends on if you are in a raiding guild |
| 08:37.59 | Amarande | I'm a bit foggy on the relationship between ammo's DPS rating and how much that -actually- increases your DPS |
| 08:38.08 | Grum | dont forget that the moment you get honored people there will be shit and utter shitloads of this stuff on the AH |
| 08:38.19 | Grum | and yeah prices will be insane the first month and then they will drop |
| 08:38.36 | Amarande | I'm assuming it has to be a hella lot more than just the sticker value, otherwise with less than a 100 DPS difference between the shittiest starter vendor ammo and the top epic ammo, it would hardly be worth it to use good ammo at all |
| 08:38.55 | Amarande | how much actual DPS does the XX.X DPS on the ammo translate into for a typical MM hunter? |
| 08:38.57 | Grum | i think it modifies the dmg value before all modifiers |
| 08:39.27 | Grum | so it should give you quite some dmg, but prolly not more than ~250 orso (really guessimated) |
| 08:40.19 | Grum | i wonder if you can farm trash to get reputation |
| 08:40.23 | Amarande | so ... probably not worth obsessing over unless people are really being meter maids. |
| 08:40.37 | Grum | not the first 2-3 months no |
| 08:40.44 | Grum | after that you can just get it from everyone |
| 08:40.56 | Grum | basicly when alts get honored in that place :D |
| 08:41.07 | Amarande | heh, that means the first 2 or 3 months gives me a nice amount of time to either find a hookup to make 91.5 bullets or get a 232+ bow or crossbow to drop so I can use the arrows I can make. :) |
| 08:42.01 | Grum | i wonder if the '23' tokens for the orbs is the same as the amount of emblems you can get each week from the instance |
| 08:42.09 | Grum | it was that way for Ulduar/ToGC stuff |
| 08:42.18 | Amarande | oh. how far into Ulduar do you have to go to get to Auriaya btw? |
| 08:42.28 | Grum | lev->XT->Kolo->Auriaya |
| 08:42.34 | Amarande | ah, close enough to the beginning that most pugs will make it there then. |
| 08:42.54 | Fisker- | Well you usually also take Ignis, Razorscale and iron council |
| 08:42.59 | Grum | aye |
| 08:43.03 | Amarande | and I'm supposing at this point in progression there won't be much competition for a 232 bow |
| 08:43.12 | Grum | there is no other bow? O.o |
| 08:43.30 | Amarande | Grum: There are SEVEN 232+ bows. That's it. Not counting what's in 3.3, which I haven't looked. |
| 08:43.36 | Amarande | But right now, there are just seven Bows that are 232+. |
| 08:44.15 | Fisker- | I like how a faction spearheaded by paladins and death knights have no strength based melee dps rings |
| 08:44.21 | Grum | apparently you have to do 10m heroic togc :) |
| 08:44.23 | Amarande | Four require Arena rating, one of them so much arena rating as to be essential unattainable even for most *hardcore arena players* |
| 08:44.35 | Grum | not true |
| 08:44.35 | Fisker- | But the comment on wowhead says it all, "They're keeping the strength rings for themselves" |
| 08:44.35 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 08:44.39 | Grum | 2200 weapons are quite doable |
| 08:44.46 | Amarande | Two (well really one per faction) are from TOGC, require 25+ attempts left, and are ONLY ON HEROIC. |
| 08:45.00 | Amarande | The only other 232 ... is the Siren's Cry from Auriaya 25. |
| 08:45.11 | Fisker- | it's totc10 though |
| 08:45.19 | Grum | we 9manned that last night O.o |
| 08:45.35 | Amarande | heroic? don't you need to gear up to like 5k to get invited to a pug for that? |
| 08:45.42 | Grum | gear up to 5k? |
| 08:45.46 | Amarande | DPS. |
| 08:45.52 | Amarande | I'm not sure how hard that is to attain for hunters |
| 08:45.59 | Grum | that should be easily done |
| 08:46.05 | Grum | but it was sortof by accident |
| 08:46.14 | Grum | the first 4 bosses are /lolrollover |
| 08:46.28 | zenzio | the whole "getting into a raid" is my main issue at the moment. PUG raids all want 20k DPS + 75k HP + Realm First achievements (approx.) |
| 08:46.31 | Grum | and we had a complete dead weight at anub ... |
| 08:46.40 | Grum | did 970dps O.o |
| 08:47.00 | Grum | and no -50% healing (just -20%) |
| 08:47.03 | Amarande | hmm, for orc hunter: is there a generally best time to pop the orc racial to be learned per boss, or is that one of those things you should pop whenever it is not on CD? |
| 08:47.14 | Grum | depends on the cooldown |
| 08:47.18 | Amarande | 2min, I believe |
| 08:47.35 | zenzio | I assume it depends on the boss |
| 08:47.41 | Amarande | zenzio: I'm not sure how I'm going to get into a PUG either |
| 08:47.43 | Grum | then just as many times as fits (2-4 times per fight normally) |
| 08:47.46 | zenzio | if he's more protected for a period, the nobviously go for the weak time |
| 08:47.52 | Amarande | given how most PUGs seem to expect you to have done that raid before and have the achievement to show for it |
| 08:47.52 | Grum | Amarande: there are not many pugs running 10m heroic |
| 08:48.02 | Amarande | which means TO FARM AURIAYA in a PUG, you basically have to have BEATEN YOGG in many cases. |
| 08:48.06 | Grum | Amarande: you have no guild? |
| 08:48.18 | Amarande | Grum: Guild doesn't have anywhere near enough 80s to raid |
| 08:48.52 | Fisker- | My raids always require that people link AQ opening mount achievement |
| 08:48.57 | Amarande | and virtually all the 80s are DPS, anyway :P |
| 08:49.05 | Amarande | why do so many pugs ask to link ach anyway :S |
| 08:49.11 | Grum | Amarande: really social friend guild orso? |
| 08:49.20 | Amarande | Grum: yeah, definitely social/friends type guild |
| 08:49.36 | Grum | Amarande: just make some friends with some people from other 'good' guilds so you can go along without having the achievement |
| 08:49.45 | Amarande | For *tanks* maybe I can understand asking to link ach, since tanks have to know the most about each battle's mechanics |
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| 08:49.55 | Grum | you'd be surprised |
| 08:49.57 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 08:50.02 | Grum | Emalon ... chains upto 20 people |
| 08:50.04 | DWSR | Sometimes tanking is the easiest. |
| 08:50.12 | Grum | often tanking is the easiest tbh :) |
| 08:50.15 | DWSR | lol |
| 08:50.19 | Duman | unf |
| 08:50.22 | Amarande | heh Grum ... VoA is one of the few places where pugs tend to take any old scrub |
| 08:50.25 | DWSR | Emalon: Stand at the boss' feet, button smash. Win |
| 08:50.28 | Grum | they are nearly always excluded from taking the annoying dmg |
| 08:50.28 | Amarande | I was doing 2.3k DPS on my warlock and got into VoA's |
| 08:50.49 | Grum | Amarande: wait until the next boss gets released |
| 08:50.54 | Grum | then they will be asking for proper dps again |
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| 08:51.11 | DWSR | Oh, the frost lord? |
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| 08:52.29 | Amarande | however, for DPS in particular, I'm not sure what the merits of asking for ach are |
| 08:52.43 | Amarande | since DPS tends to boil down to such basic principles that any monkey can do it |
| 08:52.49 | DWSR | Amarande: To know that you're intelligent enough to have at least done the fight with someone in your raid not dying to the fire |
| 08:53.11 | Amarande | learn the optimal skill rotation for your class and spec, and do it. meanwhile, stay out of fire. |
| 08:53.15 | Amarande | that's about it for DPS in WotLK. |
| 08:53.29 | Amarande | especially since DBM will normally warn you of anything else you need to be aware of. |
| 08:53.58 | DWSR | Amarande: Dunno about you, but I do actually complicated jobs. |
| 08:54.02 | DWSR | Like worm tanking, or orb soaking. |
| 08:54.08 | DWSR | Sounds like you're a scrub. |
| 08:54.15 | Amarande | DWSR: those tend to be fight specific. |
| 08:54.31 | Amarande | I can't remember any of the such being in Ulduar, though. |
| 08:54.52 | DWSR | Amarande: Thorim. |
| 08:54.53 | Amarande | which will probably be my hunter's first stop raid-wise once getting decent gear. |
| 08:54.59 | DWSR | Amarande: Mimi. |
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| 08:55.08 | DWSR | Amarande: Additionally, any DPS can tank FL. |
| 08:55.17 | DWSR | Razorscale: Harp dropping. |
| 08:55.22 | DWSR | Ignis: Golem breaking |
| 08:55.23 | Amarande | sad to say, but I'm getting the feeling I'm going to be giving up on my warlock once I get her into Triumph badge gear through heroics. |
| 08:56.01 | Fisker- | golem breaking for what? |
| 08:56.04 | DWSR | Amarande: There were plenty of fights in Ulduar where a select number of DPS had an important role. |
| 08:56.17 | DWSR | Fisker-: Breaking the golems that he spawns. |
| 08:56.19 | Amarande | DWSR: Class dependent, I'm supposing? |
| 08:56.30 | Amarande | Anything I'll have to know on hunter? |
| 08:56.30 | DWSR | Amarande: Not really. |
| 08:56.37 | DWSR | Amarande: Yes, pew pew shit. |
| 08:56.54 | Fisker- | you wouldn't break his golems DWSR |
| 08:57.02 | DWSR | I'll break your golems. |
| 08:57.04 | Amarande | as for why I'm giving up on my warlock? |
| 08:57.09 | DWSR | So, patch today? |
| 08:57.10 | DWSR | Yes or no? |
| 08:57.12 | Fisker- | i wouldn't |
| 08:57.13 | Fisker- | yes |
| 08:57.16 | Fisker- | or no |
| 08:57.18 | Fisker- | who knows? |
| 08:57.19 | Amarande | it seems to be impossible to develop consistent DPS on her anymore even as I upgrade gear |
| 08:57.21 | Amarande | and moreover |
| 08:57.22 | DWSR | That's the million dollar question. And it'll be answered in approximately 4 minutes. |
| 08:57.30 | Amarande | they STILL haven't thrown JCs any bone with 3.3 that I see. |
| 08:57.38 | DWSR | Amarande: Are you destro on your warlock, or are you aff? |
| 08:57.41 | Amarande | Destro. |
| 08:57.47 | DWSR | Then you suck. |
| 08:57.53 | DWSR | Because Destro is ret paladin easy. |
| 08:57.55 | Amarande | They throw Eng's, Tailors, BS, Leatherworkers all kinds of neat new stuff each patch |
| 08:58.00 | DWSR | Take it from a ret paladin |
| 08:58.03 | Fisker- | like paladins are easy DWSR ! |
| 08:58.20 | DWSR | Fisker-: To kill? No. To play? Yes. |
| 08:58.33 | Fisker- | But you need a cooldowncount addon for it |
| 08:58.34 | Amarande | but JCs, apart from the epic cuts are still stuck with basically the same crap they had when WotLK started. |
| 08:58.37 | Amarande | What happened to JC? |
| 08:58.39 | Fisker- | that's like totally hard :( |
| 08:58.41 | Fisker- | and action bars |
| 08:58.53 | DWSR | Fisker: No you don't. |
| 08:59.10 | Fisker- | oh yes i do! |
| 08:59.15 | Amarande | Can't even throw us some ilvl 245/264 jewelry patterns to make, we're still stuck making "epic" ilvl 200 stuff that might as well be greens, as desired and useful as they are now :P |
| 08:59.36 | Amarande | Why did they ignore us? |
| 08:59.55 | Amarande | And are they planning to give us something good for Cata or do they just plan to give us more of the same crap there too? |
| 08:59.58 | DWSR | Amarande: QQ more. Scrub. |
| 09:00.01 | DWSR | Seriouesly. |
| 09:00.03 | DWSR | Seriously* |
| 09:00.13 | DWSR | all you do is whine about how your chosen class/profession/role sucks. |
| 09:00.14 | Amarande | DWSR: in BC, at least they gave JCs some high end stuff, like the hardened khorium stuff from Sunwell |
| 09:00.25 | Amarande | in WotLK they haven't given us ANY non-gemcut stuff since BASE. |
| 09:00.26 | Amarande | why? |
| 09:00.27 | Dagmar | Holy geez dude you're still going on about this stuff? |
| 09:00.30 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 09:00.31 | Dagmar | May I suggest medication? |
| 09:00.46 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm just wondering why certain professions get virtually entirely ignored |
| 09:00.57 | Dagmar | Because they;re not _broken enough_ |
| 09:00.59 | DWSR | No patch |
| 09:00.59 | Amarande | Alchemists seem like they haven't really gotten anything much new either apart from epic gem transmutes |
| 09:01.35 | Dagmar | What makes you say that? |
| 09:01.40 | Amarande | and inscriptionists ... well, inscription has been a galloping fail ever since it was started :P |
| 09:01.55 | Grum | not really |
| 09:02.02 | Grum | you can make uttershitloads of money with that |
| 09:02.02 | DWSR | Dagmar: The fact that money doesn't literally appear in your bags if you have the profession he's talking about. |
| 09:02.12 | Dagmar | Vellums + Enchanting == WIN |
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| 09:02.15 | Amarande | DWSR: I'm not even thinking about the money. |
| 09:02.25 | DWSR | Dagmar: The fact that Amarande is such a huge scrub he can't play a destro lock with consistency. |
| 09:02.32 | Dagmar | Whoa |
| 09:02.39 | Amarande | DWSR: I'm thinking about the fact that other crafting professions get to make permanent crafted items that are competitive with badge and raid gear, while JCs have not gotten any crafted permanents above 200. |
| 09:02.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: I dunno, pick a reason. I'm sure it's valid at this point. |
| 09:03.00 | Fisker- | omg Zeksie |
| 09:03.07 | Fisker- | check Zeksie's pulse |
| 09:03.08 | Zeksie | gmo |
| 09:03.09 | Dagmar | No one panic, but I think Zarhym posting to General might be significant. |
| 09:03.17 | Fisker- | checks* |
| 09:03.20 | DWSR | Amarande: Except for the fact that, for (almost) piece of crafted gear, you need gem(s). |
| 09:03.25 | Fisker- | you're still alive Zeksie |
| 09:03.27 | Fisker- | it's amazing |
| 09:03.29 | Dagmar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21626504633&sid=1 |
| 09:03.35 | DWSR | Amarande: Since gear is constantly being upgraded, you constantly have work to do. |
| 09:03.44 | DWSR | Charge for your work, win. The end. Quit fucking talking. Seriously. |
| 09:04.12 | Zeksie | yeh. had a few weeks off off wow (anything but raiding). cos ToC has been boring me silly.. :) |
| 09:04.18 | Fisker- | fail CP Dagmar |
| 09:04.26 | Fisker- | But i guess that confirms it Dagmar |
| 09:04.54 | Dagmar | If he's not implicitly saying the patch is now, he's a sadist |
| 09:05.05 | Fisker- | hah yeah |
| 09:05.14 | DWSR | Dagmar: It's not, though. |
| 09:05.18 | Amarande | NOOOOOO .... |
| 09:05.21 | DWSR | Just logged in, not asking me to get a new patch |
| 09:05.22 | Amarande | *sniff* Goodbye Hogger :( |
| 09:05.24 | Amarande | "Players below level 10 may not join raids." |
| 09:05.35 | Fisker- | He's probably that other CM whichs name escapes me |
| 09:05.35 | Dagmar | It doesn't necessarily mean muhc of anything |
| 09:05.47 | Dagmar | There's been numerous times they've not flipped that switch until morning |
| 09:05.50 | Fisker- | ah yeah |
| 09:05.53 | Fisker- | Tseric |
| 09:05.56 | Amarande | "Blizzard to low level Alliance players: Raiding is serious business, please stop having fun." |
| 09:06.01 | Fisker- | Tseric = Zarhym |
| 09:06.04 | Fisker- | you heard it here first |
| 09:06.20 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean a masochist? |
| 09:06.23 | DWSR | Amarande: "DWSR to Amarande: Cry some more." |
| 09:06.27 | Amarande | because he's going to have to take the pain of a thousand pissed off players? :) |
| 09:06.38 | Dagmar | I had that once. |
| 09:06.43 | DWSR | a thousand pissed off players? |
| 09:06.44 | DWSR | wtf? |
| 09:06.50 | DWSR | It's Hogger, who the fuck cares? |
| 09:06.59 | DWSR | I solo'ed his shit at level 10. |
| 09:07.51 | krka | i solo'ed his shit at level 80, it was easy |
| 09:08.01 | Thunder_Child | Amarande: the official reason was something along the lines of spambots infiltrating raids |
| 09:08.01 | krka | (needed quest for loremaster) |
| 09:08.10 | Fisker- | i solo'ed his shit at level 85, i time traveled. |
| 09:08.14 | Fisker- | no Thunder_Child |
| 09:08.19 | Dagmar | Quick! Someone report a crippling bug with the PTR code |
| 09:08.43 | Fisker- | The official reason was that raids were confusing lowbie players and causing them to not progress through quests since quests weren't completable in raids |
| 09:08.52 | Fisker- | And i really doubt spambots had anything to do with it |
| 09:09.16 | Fisker- | Raid spambots became irrelevant the day they added the invite restriction to trial users |
| 09:09.32 | Fisker- | either they have acccess and spam trade/whispers or they don't and they corpsespam orgrimmar |
| 09:09.33 | Duman | they use compromised accts now |
| 09:09.45 | Fisker- | they've done so for a long time |
| 09:09.55 | Duman | I mean, as opposed to trail accts |
| 09:09.57 | Duman | trial, too |
| 09:10.01 | Thunder_Child | err, ya. what Fisker- said |
| 09:10.09 | Fisker- | Trial account restrictions were added like in classic |
| 09:10.17 | Fisker- | Though not all |
| 09:10.20 | Thunder_Child | i think i'm working with an old brain tonight |
| 09:10.22 | Amarande | "Sceptor of Celebras: Since this item is no longer needed as a key, Celebras will no longer give one out to a player who loses it. The item can now be sold or disenchanted as normal." |
| 09:10.23 | Duman | was it that long ago? man, time flies, heh |
| 09:10.25 | Amarande | hmm |
| 09:10.32 | adam` | i bought about 300k ammo worth of material today :D |
| 09:10.37 | Amarande | can skip straight to inner Mara now without ever touching the first half? |
| 09:11.00 | tekkub | we has patch? |
| 09:11.09 | Dagmar | Amarande: We've been able to for awhile |
| 09:11.22 | Amarande | DWSR: by a thousand pissed off players, I meant people going after what's his name if the patch isn't tomorrow :) |
| 09:11.22 | Dagmar | Almost as long as we've not been able to DE that nice staff |
| 09:11.29 | Amarande | Not the Hogger people. |
| 09:11.31 | DWSR | Amarande: It won't be. |
| 09:11.39 | Amarande | I'm sure some Ally folks will lament the end of a tradition of fun, though. |
| 09:11.39 | Fisker- | technically still not official tekkub |
| 09:11.40 | Duman | tekkub yeah |
| 09:11.50 | Fisker- | but Zarhym posted patch notes in the general forums now |
| 09:11.51 | tekkub | WHICH IS IT |
| 09:11.55 | Dagmar | WHU downed a freaking dragon and you dont' see them qqing about not being able to get 100+ toons into one raid group |
| 09:11.58 | DWSR | tekkub: I doubt it. Highly. |
| 09:11.59 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21626504633&sid=1 |
| 09:12.01 | Amarande | Dagmar: it's been too long since I went to Mara heh |
| 09:12.09 | Fisker- | So either he's the greatest troll of all time |
| 09:12.14 | Amarande | I'll probably next go via the Classic Looking for Dungeon on my hunter |
| 09:12.15 | Fisker- | or the patch is out today |
| 09:12.23 | Dagmar | Zar's a _bastard_ if the patch isn't today |
| 09:12.25 | Dagmar | heh |
| 09:12.28 | adam` | amarande, i imagine if wowhead says it is released, it is today |
| 09:12.32 | Dagmar | There will be kids getting up and just freaking out |
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| 09:12.58 | Zeksie | it's not wow that makes kids shoot up schools, it's the lack of patches |
| 09:13.09 | Duman | i would be far beyond surprised if the patch doesn't land today :) |
| 09:13.17 | Dagmar | Wow |
| 09:13.21 | Duman | lol zeksie |
| 09:13.25 | Dagmar | Fisker brings up a salient alternative |
| 09:13.32 | tekkub | forum'd patch note, barf |
| 09:13.53 | Dagmar | It's possible that Zarhym has taken this opportuinity to "win" at trolling. |
| 09:14.03 | Fisker- | starts checking if school shootings was on a wednesday |
| 09:14.09 | Fisker- | were* |
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| 09:15.17 | Amarande | wow. 3.3 change that surprises me: |
| 09:15.23 | Amarande | apparently they took the time to update the graphics for Jaina. |
| 09:15.45 | Dagmar | Explicit confirmation |
| 09:15.47 | Dagmar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21627634661&sid=5 |
| 09:15.55 | Fisker- | Deer Valley High School shooting Antioch, California, United States September 16 2009 0 |
| 09:15.57 | Fisker- | omg |
| 09:15.57 | Amarande | (and it always boggled me in past patches too when they'd keep making updates to the Black Qiraji Battle Tank, despite it no longer even being obtainable ...) |
| 09:15.59 | Fisker- | we has confirmation! |
| 09:16.12 | Dagmar | Zarhym: " We are beginning the patch process now. ;) " |
| 09:16.17 | Amarande | yes Fisker, Sept. 16 was a Wednesday. |
| 09:17.15 | Amarande | Columbine, on the other hand, was on a Tuesday, unless I got the year wrong. 99, right? |
| 09:17.39 | Fisker- | "Diablo 2 got delayed again" |
| 09:17.41 | Fisker- | :D |
| 09:18.16 | Fisker- | someone should make a graph of school shotings paired with blizzard announcements of delays, etc. |
| 09:18.33 | Amarande | Tuesdays suck. Columbine happened on a Tuesday. The WTC attacks happened on a Tuesday. Idiots get elected President on Tuesdays. People's favorite WoW features get broken on Tuesdays. |
| 09:18.48 | Amarande | Each week's shitty Hollywood DVDs come out on Tuesdays, too. :| |
| 09:19.02 | Amarande | Britney Spears' next album will probably also come out on a Tuesday. |
| 09:19.04 | Amarande | Yup, Tuesdays suck. |
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| 09:19.35 | Amarande | And everyone gives so much flack to poor Monday instead. :( |
| 09:20.14 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 09:20.36 | Fisker- | I just figured that looking at all these school shootings might mean cops come get me tomorrow |
| 09:20.42 | Fisker- | better go back to patch 3.3 stuff |
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| 09:23.04 | Amarande | gah, stupid patch day overloads |
| 09:23.08 | Amarande | mmo-champion won't respond |
| 09:23.52 | Fisker- | man i have the day off tomorrow |
| 09:24.03 | Fisker- | So i can spend time looking on the realmlist |
| 09:24.23 | Amarande | DWSR, you can no longer call me a scrub. |
| 09:24.30 | DWSR | Oh, and why is that? |
| 09:24.41 | Amarande | DWSR: Because 'scrub' should be reserved for the level of fail I'm about to show. |
| 09:24.47 | Amarande | "I've met a DK half t9 who laid D&D under us after every single pull because it "helped heal the group"." -- Defan, Illidan US |
| 09:24.55 | Amarande | *Those* are scrubs. |
| 09:25.20 | Amarande | "I met a mage in T8/T9 who only did 900 DPS.. no.. that's not a joke." -- same source |
| 09:25.31 | Amarande | that just makes me boggle |
| 09:25.38 | Amarande | how the hell DO you do that little dps on a mage in that kinda gear? |
| 09:25.43 | mikma | "helped heal the group" ? |
| 09:25.45 | mikma | hailol |
| 09:25.48 | Amarande | mikma: indeed. |
| 09:26.06 | mikma | maybe he misread the talent |
| 09:26.06 | DWSR | Amarande: You're still a scrub. |
| 09:26.10 | DWSR | Those people are what we call retarded. |
| 09:26.18 | Amarande | I'm even more trying to wrap around DPS being that low on a mage in T8/T9 though, unless it was like ... Ichoron or something like that that casters hate with a passion |
| 09:26.23 | Amarande | Hell. |
| 09:26.24 | DWSR | Scrubbiness is possibly caused by retardation, but not the other way around. |
| 09:26.32 | Fisker- | or he played the beta mikma ! |
| 09:26.41 | Amarande | You could probably have NO TALENT POINTS INVESTED and do nothing but spam frostbolt and still do more DPS than that in that gear. |
| 09:27.09 | mikma | amarande: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=49565 |
| 09:27.10 | Fisker- | well maybe he has a handicap |
| 09:27.11 | Fisker- | like no hands |
| 09:27.15 | mikma | jesus christ |
| 09:27.36 | Amarande | these comments are from a thread arguing whether or not gearscore is a good idea |
| 09:27.45 | Amarande | (I'm sure we can all agree it's a fail one, but we're talking typical WoW players here.) |
| 09:28.08 | mikma | mayhe he understood that D&D heals ^^ |
| 09:28.30 | Grum | gearscore is as bad as asking for having the achievement |
| 09:28.38 | Amarande | There's probably exactly one dungeon in which gearscore in and of itself could be justified as a measure of character performance |
| 09:28.51 | DWSR | Amarande: STOP BEING SUCH A SCRUB |
| 09:28.54 | DWSR | FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD |
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| 09:28.57 | Amarande | Oculus, because of the ilvl scaling |
| 09:29.15 | Amarande | And even there, if you need raid gear to do oculus then you are scrubs. :) |
| 09:29.31 | Amarande | Myself I avoid it because it just doesn't look like fun. |
| 09:29.42 | Grum | if you never did it ... |
| 09:29.42 | Amarande | It looks boring. Like being forced to use those skeleton form skills against Tharon'ja is boring. |
| 09:29.47 | Grum | no wonder people suck so bad at it |
| 09:30.20 | Amarande | And given that you can sum up game design and fiction writing both into a single cardinal rule, that's bad. |
| 09:30.23 | Bruners | was there a patch on the US servers? |
| 09:30.26 | Grum | you can do any heroic in less than 15 minutes |
| 09:30.28 | Grum | Bruners: yes |
| 09:30.30 | Amarande | That cardinal rule: "DO NOT MAKE IT FREAKING BORING." |
| 09:30.38 | Fisker- | Bruners you wouldn't ask for a patch |
| 09:30.39 | DWSR | Bruners: Will be, apparently. |
| 09:30.54 | Adys | i thought I fried my cpu for a moment there yesterday |
| 09:31.06 | Adys | and somehow I lost my nvidia kernel module in the process |
| 09:31.07 | Amarande | You can have imba game mechanics up the wazoo, storylines with plot holes that you could fly a Horde Zeppelin through ... but if it's fun, it's fine. |
| 09:31.22 | Amarande | On the other hand, you can have an intricately balanced game with perfectly tuned storylines, and if it's boring, it's gonna suck. :) |
| 09:31.50 | Amarande | Adys: Ouch. |
| 09:32.05 | Amarande | How did you lose your nvidia kernel module? |
| 09:32.46 | Adys | no idea |
| 09:33.56 | Amarande | I wish sometimes that I had an nVidia card though, it might let me go back to Linux. |
| 09:34.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 09:34.06 | Amarande | wb. |
| 09:34.22 | Bruners | wish i also had nvidia card to better my linux experience |
| 09:34.23 | Amarande | I have a rather recent ATI card, which means I'm not sure whether Linux is even usable at all for me yet. |
| 09:34.35 | Amarande | Depends on whether they ever fixed the drivers. |
| 09:34.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 09:34.50 | Amarande | Last time I tried Linux, the Catalyst drivers for it were so fail I had to go straight back to Windows within a couple of days. |
| 09:34.57 | Bruners | the 9.10 drivers works for me but latest 9.11 not |
| 09:35.08 | Amarande | We're talking fun things like "logging out of X or switching users caused hard kernel lock" |
| 09:35.18 | Fisker- | lol Bruners |
| 09:35.19 | Fisker- | ati |
| 09:35.21 | Fisker- | looool |
| 09:35.25 | Bruners | fu |
| 09:35.43 | Amarande | Fisker: At the time I bought the card, it was a very good deal |
| 09:35.58 | Bruners | i will not buy another ATI card again |
| 09:36.03 | Amarande | the HD 3870 was a rather better price than the equivalent nVidias being sold at the computer fair I bought it at |
| 09:36.06 | Bruners | had problems in Vista as well |
| 09:36.10 | Adys | ATI is fucking terrible |
| 09:36.15 | Amarande | plus it had GDDR4, while hardly any of the other cards had it |
| 09:36.33 | Arrowmaster | doesnt stuff use GDDR5 now? |
| 09:36.36 | Amarande | Adys: the cards aren't so bad. The drivers are just fail. |
| 09:36.41 | Adys | i know |
| 09:36.42 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: Now, yeah. Not at the time I bought the card. |
| 09:36.58 | Bruners | ATI does good on performance vs price but their drivers suck on all platforms |
| 09:37.06 | Corrodias | nvidia sometimes has problems with drivers, but they produce so damn many versions that, by sheer coincidence, some of them turn out to be good |
| 09:37.12 | Amarande | However, I have about $1k in upgrades to do that are priority over upgrading my video card, so an nVidia card is some considerable way off. |
| 09:37.22 | Adys | no Corrodias thats bollocks |
| 09:37.32 | Adys | there arent many stable version updates |
| 09:37.39 | Amarande | Core i7 CPU, good motherboard, 12GB of RAM, and 7 Ultimate OEM comes to a bit over 1k. |
| 09:37.45 | Corrodias | 182.50, 186.xx, i don't know about anything in the 190+ range yet, i don't think they had any stable ones last time i checked |
| 09:37.49 | Adys | and thanks for reminding me, updating them |
| 09:37.57 | Corrodias | yeah, well, they produce a LOT of versions, i didn't say anything about stable :) |
| 09:38.04 | Fisker- | well Bruners it's not hard to do good performance vs. price when you're out 1 billion dollar hohoho |
| 09:38.13 | Adys | you cant expect beta versions to be good |
| 09:38.15 | Corrodias | once in a while you get good drivers out of them, as in the aforementioned versions |
| 09:38.15 | Fisker- | and that's just this year |
| 09:38.17 | Adys | they are, but thats not the point |
| 09:38.24 | Fisker- | Last year was a 3 billion loss |
| 09:38.27 | Fisker- | i lol'd |
| 09:38.43 | Fisker- | It's a shame Intel is keeping them on life support |
| 09:38.46 | Corrodias | oh, you're saying nvidia doesn't put out a lot of "official release" drivers? i don't know about that, i never use the most recent drivers anyway |
| 09:38.53 | Amarande | seems like everyone's bleeding money lately. |
| 09:39.06 | Bruners | Fisker-: intel keeps AMD/ATI on life support? :P |
| 09:39.10 | Amarande | work threatened to cut my hours if I do my usual habit of oh, calling out on winter days when the roads are too dangerous to go to work. |
| 09:39.17 | Fisker- | yeah Bruners |
| 09:39.26 | Corrodias | you should sprout a jet engine out of your butt and fly to work |
| 09:39.30 | Fisker- | they just settled for $1,25 Billion |
| 09:39.37 | Fisker- | and they gave them a free x86 license |
| 09:39.39 | Arrowmaster | nvidia killed off all its high end cards |
| 09:39.44 | Fisker- | a royaly-free one that is |
| 09:39.46 | Amarande | apparently, yeah, today's economy means I'm supposed to risk spinning out (along with whoever's driving me) into fucking trees and telephone poles on icy days to go to work, or they'll just not give me any hours. |
| 09:39.52 | Adys | wooh |
| 09:39.55 | Adys | 195.22 |
| 09:40.00 | Amarande | see, the union at work protects you from actually being *fired* for such things |
| 09:40.12 | Amarande | however, they cannot protect you from being slashed back to 16 hour weeks if the management feels like it. |
| 09:40.15 | Adys | also giant rofl at windows |
| 09:40.20 | Amarande | which in today's economy is about as good as fired. :P |
| 09:40.24 | Adys | nvidia drivers are 90-120mb on windows |
| 09:40.28 | Adys | 20-30mb on linux |
| 09:40.43 | Fisker- | lol features |
| 09:40.47 | Amarande | I've been worried sick since I called out Saturday, because if I get slashed back to 16hr weeks I'll be making my very first ever late credit card payment next month. :( |
| 09:40.55 | Amarande | I've never been late! Never! *sniff* |
| 09:41.03 | Fisker- | linux drivers probably don't even come with physx support |
| 09:41.06 | Arrowmaster | thats because they have to provide a distinctly different driver for every card version but they just pack them all into one download |
| 09:41.08 | Corrodias | looking at the multi-language version, Adys? |
| 09:41.27 | Adys | e PhysX engine and SDK are available for the following platforms: |
| 09:41.27 | Adys | Windows |
| 09:41.27 | Adys | Linux (32-bit) |
| 09:41.32 | Bruners | Adys: windows drivers have more shit supported, DX8-10 ++ |
| 09:41.47 | Arrowmaster | that too |
| 09:41.49 | Adys | Bruners: exactly, dx bullshit |
| 09:41.58 | Adys | linux ones support opengl and thats enough |
| 09:42.07 | Bruners | also different version of windows which got totally different video engines |
| 09:42.09 | Arrowmaster | also the linux drivers must be compiled against the kernel you are running |
| 09:42.14 | Amarande | wonder how long before games will start expecting physx to perform decently. |
| 09:42.25 | Adys | wine does a quite amazing job with directx 7-8 |
| 09:42.25 | Amarande | do ATI cards have anything of the sort? |
| 09:43.00 | Fisker- | physx? |
| 09:43.01 | Fisker- | naw |
| 09:43.08 | Amarande | ouch |
| 09:43.13 | Bruners | it took ATI 5 driver releases to include fan control for hd4870 |
| 09:43.16 | Amarande | that means if PhysX starts being required or strongly recommended |
| 09:43.20 | Fisker- | and Nvidia disabled their hackery about using nvidia cards in hybrid sli |
| 09:43.25 | Amarande | we'll probably end up moving once more into a one video card company economy |
| 09:43.48 | Amarande | I remember the last time that was the case. It kinda sucked, mostly because 3dfx sucked. |
| 09:43.55 | Amarande | Remember the Voodoo 5 6000? :) |
| 09:44.06 | Bruners | it didnt suck, just on DX |
| 09:44.10 | Amarande | The wonderful piece of vaporware that was going to require an EXTERNAL POWER BRICK FOR A VIDEO CARD? heh |
| 09:44.20 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: yeah that one company being intel |
| 09:44.46 | Bruners | afaik nothing beat the voodoo cards on opengl |
| 09:45.30 | Amarande | I still wonder how long before the video card industry is going to utterly run into the brick wall of DOOM and almost die, though. |
| 09:45.35 | Corrodias | as much as i want there to be more than one company... the patents and copyrights mean they don't collaborate on technology |
| 09:45.47 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: where have you been? they are dying |
| 09:45.50 | Corrodias | would i rather have one company that runs all the tech? i'm not sure. |
| 09:45.55 | Amarande | Well, the thing I can think of is ... |
| 09:46.05 | Amarande | There's only so much longer they can cram any more meaningful performance into a video card and actually have that performance give a practical boost |
| 09:46.13 | Arrowmaster | nvidia end of lifed all of their high end and mid range cards |
| 09:46.28 | Amarande | Eventually, people will start only seeing significant improvement by upgrading if they have like, a 30" dual link DVI monitor |
| 09:46.33 | Amarande | and how many people in this economy are going to be buying those? |
| 09:46.37 | Arrowmaster | amd/ati has been in the red forever |
| 09:46.55 | Amarande | wait, the HIGH end cards got canceled? |
| 09:46.59 | Amarande | are you saying what I ... oh gods no. |
| 09:47.19 | Amarande | we're soon going to have no choice cards-wise but business grade stuff that's barely better than laptop/integrated crap and won't game well at all? |
| 09:47.27 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 09:47.30 | Amarande | without being like, three generations newer than the game or something? |
| 09:47.36 | Amarande | are we looking at what I think we're looking at? |
| 09:47.47 | Bruners | its not like we need 50 different models is it? |
| 09:47.49 | Arrowmaster | well theres still ati |
| 09:47.53 | Corrodias | Arrowmaster, you're being mean. Amarande is prone to overreaction. |
| 09:47.54 | Amarande | the imminent demise of PC gaming outside of low-requirements games like WoW, and games like chess that don't need graphics? |
| 09:48.08 | Arrowmaster | but they are bound to die soon |
| 09:48.10 | Corrodias | what do you mean, "PC gaming"? you mean all gaming. consoles use video cards, too. |
| 09:48.27 | Amarande | Corrodias: what's the next gen of consoles after this one going to use then? |
| 09:48.34 | Corrodias | despite a huge market, nobody will try to produce any hardware. yep. |
| 09:48.35 | Amarande | business graphics aren't going to be something consoles can get by on |
| 09:48.45 | Arrowmaster | there arent going to be any next gen consoles for years |
| 09:48.47 | Amarande | Well ... |
| 09:48.51 | Arrowmaster | like probably 10 years |
| 09:48.56 | Amarande | if AMD/ATI goes under, which it looks like it's in danger of |
| 09:49.15 | Amarande | and nVidia feels it's no longer economical to produce the kind of cards gamers want to buy |
| 09:49.17 | Amarande | what else is there? |
| 09:49.32 | Arrowmaster | no nVidia litterally can not make the cards |
| 09:50.00 | Amarande | I thought nVidia didn't really make very many of their cards anyway, they sold chips to EVGA and ASUS and BFG and the like who made the cards |
| 09:50.04 | Corrodias | i'm not getting my panties in a knot over silly possibilities. |
| 09:50.14 | Arrowmaster | they got like 7 usable cores from a batch of 1000 for the newest prototype |
| 09:50.23 | Amarande | Ow. |
| 09:50.27 | Amarande | How'd that fuckup happen? |
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| 09:50.33 | Corrodias | engineering disaster, according to one article i saw linked in here before |
| 09:50.43 | Arrowmaster | nvidia still makes all the chips, the other companys just make the boards for the chips |
| 09:50.45 | Amarande | wow, even Gnomish Engineering doesn't backfire that badly |
| 09:50.47 | Adys | so |
| 09:50.54 | Corrodias | doesn't mean they can't ever make good hardware |
| 09:51.01 | Adys | someone tell me how to get dual screen support working on windows? :D |
| 09:51.05 | Adys | windows xp that is |
| 09:51.13 | Fisker- | nvidia makes the reference board |
| 09:51.24 | Fisker- | Which most vendors follow with their standard cards |
| 09:51.31 | Fisker- | Some mix it up a bit with special cards |
| 09:51.31 | Corrodias | Adys: plug in two displays, tell your driver to use them in dual mode, etc |
| 09:51.37 | Amarande | so basically what you're saying is, I'm pretty much stuck with my HD 3870 till perhaps next year or so when nVidia gets their act together |
| 09:51.44 | Fisker- | and by make i mean design :P |
| 09:51.46 | Amarande | er, I mean 2011 or so |
| 09:51.51 | Adys | Corrodias: how? |
| 09:51.54 | krka | AMAGAD |
| 09:52.03 | Corrodias | well, first you have to install the driver for your video card, Adys |
| 09:52.13 | krka | zomg no more polycounts for you |
| 09:52.15 | Adys | thats done already |
| 09:52.17 | Fisker- | win+p in Windows 7 ftw |
| 09:52.22 | Amarande | because nVidia discontinued their gaming grade cards and won't have the next one for a while now due to the eng disaster, and ATI is likely to kick the can? |
| 09:52.29 | Arrowmaster | Adys: in the same place that you change your display resolution |
| 09:52.32 | Corrodias | then you use its control mechanism, which is dependant on what developer made the card, to select dual display mode |
| 09:52.37 | Adys | thanks Arrowmaster |
| 09:52.54 | Fisker- | adys is really ragequitting today |
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| 09:53.24 | Corrodias | i don't know about you fellows, but i only buy a video card once every 3 years or so |
| 09:53.53 | Corrodias | not counting consoles, which are quite infrequent purchases |
| 09:54.17 | Arrowmaster | 5 years since last purchase for me |
| 09:54.19 | Amarande | Yeah, the 3870's probably still got a lot of life left in it |
| 09:54.34 | Fisker- | Well consoles have pretty much stagnated pc game requirements |
| 09:54.44 | Arrowmaster | early 05 to late 09, 4.5 |
| 09:54.53 | Amarande | Fisker: Like I said, I think things are also plateauing in the tech development, too |
| 09:55.09 | Arrowmaster | duh |
| 09:55.09 | Amarande | Back in the day, people snapped up video card upgrades like candy, because the upgrades were actually significant |
| 09:55.20 | Amarande | the extra performance allowing you to do things like game at higher resolutions and such |
| 09:55.32 | Amarande | but now it's monitors that limit the resolutions you can game it |
| 09:55.44 | Amarande | so that aspect of performance improvement no longer really shows much |
| 09:55.57 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 09:55.58 | Amarande | once your video card gives good FPS at 1920x1200, there's not really much further they can go. |
| 09:56.17 | Amarande | 2560xwhatever monitors are too expensive, especially in today's economy, plus being freaking huge |
| 09:56.33 | Amarande | and I don't know of *any* monitors above that |
| 09:57.00 | Amarande | since once you go above a 30" monitor or so you basically are using an HDTV as a monitor, and HDTVs actually are only 1920x1080 normally if I recall |
| 09:57.17 | Corrodias | you got it |
| 09:57.20 | Fisker- | yeah but real monitors are still 1920x1200 though |
| 09:57.26 | Fisker- | 16:10 ftw |
| 09:57.31 | Amarande | well, yeah. |
| 09:57.40 | Amarande | but the point is, video cards already give good framerates in games at that resolution. |
| 09:57.47 | Amarande | and what else are people really looking for in a video card? |
| 09:57.51 | Arrowmaster | you are thinking above 40" |
| 09:58.12 | Corrodias | More Stuff in the graphics it's showing |
| 09:58.14 | Fisker- | huge monitors are irrelevant |
| 09:58.17 | Corrodias | more lighting, texture resolution, etc |
| 09:58.24 | Arrowmaster | shadows |
| 09:58.29 | Arrowmaster | shadows are still a fucking bitch |
| 09:58.36 | Corrodias | ambient occlusion is the New Big Thing for nvidia |
| 09:59.13 | Fisker- | Unreal fucked up shadows |
| 09:59.25 | Fisker- | Blurry, spotty and pixelated shadows ftl |
| 09:59.38 | Grum | i wonder when graphic-cards will just do occlusion on driver-level |
| 09:59.52 | Grum | the user cant see this polygon anyhow! /pop |
| 10:00.44 | Amarande | all these things the video card does for people these days ... we've come a long way |
| 10:00.56 | Amarande | remember when Romero and Carmack had to make all their data files include BSP nodes so they could render stuff? :) |
| 10:01.05 | Amarande | because the game engine had to calculate it all? |
| 10:06.12 | Amarande | though I have to wonder how much easier it's actually made it to dev games |
| 10:06.27 | krka | i am waiting for graphics cards to start using ray casting, then we'll see some sweet stuff |
| 10:07.18 | Amarande | hrm ... |
| 10:07.21 | Amarande | "I only kick people with lower than 3500 GS anyway, which, people SHOULD already be over or be nearly over by spending few hours at level 80 replacing that low level quest greens/blues with iLevel 187 and 200 gears." -- boards |
| 10:07.28 | Amarande | weird. |
| 10:07.38 | Amarande | I take it then that GS uses a different scoring system from Wowhead profiles? |
| 10:07.56 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:08.05 | Arrowmaster | everything has their own scoring system |
| 10:08.08 | Amarande | I keep trying to wrap around GS scores while being used to wowhead gear scoring |
| 10:08.21 | Amarande | now I have no idea how my gear stacks up to such folks LOL |
| 10:08.31 | Amarande | Arrow: I take it there's no simple conversion either |
| 10:09.51 | Amarande | like what, say a 2343 wowhead rating is in GS terms |
| 10:10.47 | Fisker- | ray casting krka ? |
| 10:10.55 | Bruners | gearscore is so useless |
| 10:11.08 | Fisker- | gearscore is like Bruners |
| 10:11.11 | Amarande | Bruners: yeah, all it took was me looking at one bit on the curse page for it to remind me of one particular problem with it |
| 10:11.12 | Arrowmaster | how the fuck should i know, i dont play the damn game so ive never seen what gearscore rates shit as |
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| 10:11.47 | Amarande | specifically: the strategy of keeping two lower tier pieces because of a sexy set bonus makes one's gear look bad compared to people who mindlessly take the top ilvl item whenever possible |
| 10:12.16 | Bruners | i guess its a nice indicator but people go blind |
| 10:12.18 | olafski | hopefully you won't have to do that ;p |
| 10:12.27 | Amarande | heh, I like this addon idea otoh |
| 10:12.29 | Amarande | "But if you can make a addon which rates a persons skill, then I would be interested..." |
| 10:12.30 | olafski | blizzard specifically stated they don't want people to do that amarande |
| 10:12.51 | Amarande | olafski: then blizzard should make the set bonuses such that people don't find it's a performance boost to do so :D |
| 10:13.04 | olafski | yeah, GC (I think) made quite a long post about that |
| 10:13.10 | Amarande | someday, blizzard will see the light and understand that trying to make people play the game a certain way and claim other ways are "wrong" is BS :) |
| 10:13.19 | krka | imagine buying a 1000 core gpu in a few years, running lots of ray casters in parallell to calculate each pixel, that would be awesome |
| 10:13.42 | olafski | meh |
| 10:13.50 | olafski | graphics don't need to improve much more imo :P |
| 10:14.14 | olafski | been playing a lot of assassin's creed 2 lately.. graphics are good but the facial animations for instance could use some work |
| 10:14.18 | olafski | or perhaps more budget |
| 10:14.40 | krka | sure, but todays 3d rendering is stupidly complex and hard to master |
| 10:14.50 | krka | ray casting is fundamentally an easier technique |
| 10:14.58 | krka | but slow at the moment |
| 10:14.59 | olafski | sure but a lot harder to compute |
| 10:15.07 | olafski | but yeah I guess making things easier would be progress |
| 10:16.12 | Amarande | Man, remind me never to play on Vek'nilash Alliance. |
| 10:16.17 | krka | reflection, refraction, shading, light sources et.c. all become trivial with ray casting |
| 10:16.18 | Arrowmaster | the only important thing is that in a few years when a new console finally comes out, they put enough fucking ram in it to be able to use some decent fucking textures a year after it comes out |
| 10:16.19 | Amarande | "Saw a DK who had just hit looking for heroics today in trade. Apparently he'd already been kicked from 3 different groups because his GS wasn't high enough... for !*%*ing heroics. This ##*# has got to stop. |
| 10:16.21 | Amarande | Its a heroic. Its one thing if people are bad and arrogant about it. But I talked to this guy and he was as nice as he could be.. just wanted to run heroics and get some gear. Yet jackasses on their high horse kept giving him the "LOL YOU NEWB! GS 3500+ for H UK" I'm gonna start joining groups to tank heroics and not swapping out of my dps gear because people seem to think now you need 38k unbuffed to tank heroics (I did everyt |
| 10:16.56 | Amarande | This is not from the DK in question QQing, this is someone (who, based on the HP he's tanking at, actually knows his stuff) QQing about the way *other players* are being treated. |
| 10:16.59 | Kalroth | You can make huge improvements in both visuals and sound with insane processing power, even though todays 3D graphics looks decent, it's nothing but "fake" textures |
| 10:17.03 | Bruners | the only heroic that requires some gear score is trial of the crusade |
| 10:17.12 | Bruners | it is actually hard |
| 10:17.22 | olafski | that's not a heroic ;) |
| 10:17.25 | Kalroth | imagine when a 3D is calculated rather than rendered by textures |
| 10:17.36 | Kalroth | 3D object* |
| 10:17.44 | Bruners | maby its called champions ? :P |
| 10:17.48 | olafski | yeh bruners ;) |
| 10:17.52 | Bruners | i dont care really, you got the point |
| 10:18.01 | olafski | I agree |
| 10:18.03 | Amarande | heh, everyone calls them ToC to the point that you start forgetting which C is which |
| 10:18.05 | olafski | though most people don't seem to |
| 10:18.20 | Amarande | How about "The bloody Argent Tournament place." :P |
| 10:18.21 | olafski | totc has stupid high damage sometimes |
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| 10:18.46 | Bruners | had a hard time healing with my freshly dinged paladin |
| 10:18.47 | Arrowmaster | Kalroth: still need textures for other things though, and they are seriously shitty in all the console games due to the age of the hardware and the lack of any ram in them |
| 10:18.50 | Amarande | I don't know why it didn't just get called AT5, AT10, AT25 since the whole addon area is called the Argent Tournament anyway |
| 10:18.50 | olafski | I'm in uld10 / conquest gear and so is my gf (me tank, she healer), yet we still struggle sometimes on that confessor |
| 10:18.59 | olafski | and yet other times it's a breeze |
| 10:19.03 | olafski | dunno what makes the difference |
| 10:19.05 | Amarande | yeah, paletress is irritating |
| 10:19.16 | Amarande | eadric runs FTW |
| 10:19.20 | olafski | yes :) |
| 10:19.33 | olafski | amarande: so will we call it ICC-5-1, ICC-5-2, ICC-5-3? :) |
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| 10:19.50 | smcn | the 5-mans have actual names :P |
| 10:19.59 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: We're stuck with textures for quite some time, yeah - but I'm thinking 10-20 years from now, where we'll have the processing power to at least realtime calculate/render the textures, based on the context they're needed in |
| 10:20.00 | Amarande | olafski: might help people remember which ones have to be done first heh |
| 10:20.01 | olafski | I know, was yanking his chain <: |
| 10:20.02 | DJJeff | why are all the realms down right now? |
| 10:20.06 | Bruners | Amarande: if they spent some millions on name researching they might as well use them |
| 10:20.15 | Amarande | DJJeff: errrrrrrrr. |
| 10:20.15 | smcn | fos, piece of shit, and whore |
| 10:20.32 | Arrowmaster | Kalroth: oh you mean like using svg for everything |
| 10:20.35 | olafski | how would you replace textures? you need _some_ way of determining which color something has |
| 10:20.39 | Amarande | DJJeff: are you trolling, under the effects of an int debuff, or do you really not know :D |
| 10:20.41 | Bruners | i wonder how much addon breakage there will be |
| 10:20.49 | DJJeff | I do not know |
| 10:20.52 | DJJeff | X_X |
| 10:20.55 | Amarande | it's Tuesday |
| 10:20.59 | olafski | maintenance djjeff |
| 10:21.01 | Amarande | the servers are always down this time of morning on Tuesday? |
| 10:21.12 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: Kinda, yeah - like procedural textures, only much more advanced |
| 10:21.14 | DJJeff | why does blizzard run maintenance? |
| 10:21.21 | DJJeff | is it really needed? |
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| 10:21.44 | smcn | if it wasn't needed why would they do it? to make people mad? :P |
| 10:21.46 | DJJeff | they should keep a few spare realms open |
| 10:21.47 | Duman | yes, 3.3 patch rollout |
| 10:21.54 | Kalroth | DJJeff: Yes, they need to do it in order to update/replace server hardware, update server software and run database clean up |
| 10:21.59 | Amarande | to make sure the servers stay in proper condition? |
| 10:22.10 | DJJeff | when is 3.3 coming out? |
| 10:22.12 | Amarande | DJJeff: do you really want WoW to degenerate to the shit, say, Diablo II went to? |
| 10:22.21 | Duman | 3.3 is rolling out now |
| 10:22.28 | DJJeff | aha |
| 10:22.34 | DJJeff | can I pre install 3.3? |
| 10:22.34 | Amarande | Curse Client installed, for the first time in life. |
| 10:22.39 | Amarande | It better not have nasty spyware in it :| |
| 10:22.46 | DJJeff | Curse Client fucking rocks |
| 10:22.49 | Duman | if you didn't disable your background downloader, you should already have most of the patch already |
| 10:22.57 | DJJeff | Curse +FuBar ADDON :) |
| 10:23.10 | Duman | already ready already |
| 10:23.12 | Amarande | FuBar has become kinda fubar lately :| |
| 10:23.19 | Duman | I fail at sentences... must be bedtime |
| 10:23.29 | Amarande | I tried using it in 3.2 and ended up switching to Data Broker based addons because FuBar just failed to operate properly anymore |
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| 10:23.56 | DJJeff | Broker QuestHelper = FAIL |
| 10:24.06 | DJJeff | QuestsFu = l33t |
| 10:24.31 | Duman | I'm curious how the new built-in quest tracker will do |
| 10:24.40 | olafski | so did anyone explain yet how we're going to get rid of textures? cause you need information as to which point on an object reflects which light |
| 10:24.41 | Arrowmaster | questsfu is dead too |
| 10:24.44 | Amarande | DJJeff: I use QuestGuru anyway when it comes to quest log addons |
| 10:24.52 | Arrowmaster | olafski: svg |
| 10:24.59 | olafski | meh |
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| 10:25.03 | olafski | I'd still call that a texture |
| 10:25.11 | Kalroth_ | @#¤%! |
| 10:25.22 | olafski | it has infinite resolution sure, but it still stores image information in 2d ;) |
| 10:25.26 | olafski | hm maybe not just 2d, I dunno |
| 10:25.34 | Amarande | I'd call it coloration at that point olafski |
| 10:25.45 | DJJeff | I am getting a shit load of LUA errors on some of my addons |
| 10:25.47 | olafski | coloration is not the same as color? :P |
| 10:25.50 | DJJeff | how do I report them? |
| 10:25.58 | Amarande | the main reason they're even called textures is because when 3D tech was new, you couldn't hope to actually polygon rough surfaces and have them actually be performable |
| 10:25.59 | olafski | find the author and tell them djjeff |
| 10:26.07 | Amarande | so you came up with a textured looking graphic instead |
| 10:26.09 | Amarande | hence "texture" |
| 10:26.13 | olafski | amarande: generally, where I come from we call them "diffuse map" |
| 10:26.28 | olafski | that is, when someone says texture they mean diffuse map |
| 10:26.39 | Amarande | now that rougher surfaces can more often actually be modeled instead of needing a textured graphic, it's different. |
| 10:26.47 | olafski | the actual "texture" of an object is usually done via some other map, and I can agree those can be replaced eventually |
| 10:26.49 | Amarande | and kinda annoying in a way. |
| 10:27.15 | Amarande | it means that us non-corporate affiliated folks with an interest in design will need to develop some 3D design mojo and, worse, find the money to afford a good 3D graphics package. |
| 10:27.27 | olafski | you didn't before? |
| 10:27.30 | Amarande | and graphics was never my forte. |
| 10:27.32 | olafski | you used to make textures in ms paint? :P |
| 10:27.42 | Amarande | olafski: I rarely actually made textures of my own |
| 10:27.50 | olafski | yes same, because I suck at drawing :P |
| 10:27.57 | olafski | photo textures are probably easier |
| 10:28.02 | Amarande | most of my development stuff in the 3D era has been levels for DOOM where I just used existing textures. |
| 10:28.10 | olafski | yer that works :) |
| 10:28.15 | olafski | but that still works for newer games too |
| 10:28.21 | Amarande | is indeed one of the Freedoom developers, too. |
| 10:28.52 | DJJeff | will 3.3 patch encourage more group questing and less solo play? |
| 10:28.52 | olafski | oh nice I get to see a talk about "Exploiting the locality of transitions" in an hour |
| 10:28.57 | olafski | no djjeff |
| 10:29.01 | Amarande | But at some point I'd probably like to make an RPG ... and it doesn't look like that aspect of design is really accessible to individuals :| |
| 10:29.10 | Amarande | DJJeff: in the sense that people will be encouraged to go into 5-mans more |
| 10:29.13 | DJJeff | cause to be honest I fucking hate solo play in WoW |
| 10:29.14 | Amarande | but not in the sense of group world quests |
| 10:29.17 | olafski | amarande: if you want to do that on your own.. unlikely |
| 10:29.23 | olafski | djjeff: so don't do it ;) |
| 10:29.34 | olafski | what amarande said.. easier time to find groups for dungeons now |
| 10:29.35 | Amarande | seems like almost all indie games are action rather than RPG based |
| 10:29.39 | Amarande | I wonder if there's a reason for that. |
| 10:29.44 | olafski | takes a lot less time |
| 10:29.47 | olafski | and a lot less story |
| 10:29.50 | Amarande | are RPGs just something you can only manage to do by selling out? |
| 10:30.13 | olafski | once you have an action engine you can pretty much roll your face over the keyboard and have content ;) |
| 10:30.35 | Kalroth_ | yeah, what olafski said |
| 10:30.35 | olafski | anywho, as I said yesterday there is GMax which is a free version of Max, which you can use to make models for games.. so that's not too expensive |
| 10:30.58 | olafski | for textures I dunno what to use.. perhaps a combination of photoshop and zbrush or something |
| 10:31.14 | Kalroth_ | an RPG game requires programmers and writers, an action game only requires a programmer :p |
| 10:31.36 | olafski | yeah |
| 10:31.58 | Kalroth_ | I mean, compare Street Fighter 4 with say .. Fallout 3 :P |
| 10:32.13 | olafski | is the budget really the same for those two? |
| 10:32.37 | DJJeff | free $ for ummmmmmm grouping................. |
| 10:32.40 | DJJeff | screams |
| 10:32.46 | DJJeff | http://www.wow.com/2009/10/21/patch-3-3-ptr-new-lfg-interface/ |
| 10:32.51 | Kalroth_ | I don't hope so, but that's also a part of the argument, an action game got a much smaller budget than an RPG :) |
| 10:32.57 | olafski | djjeff: http://www.mmo-champion.com/ <-- all patch notes there |
| 10:33.06 | olafski | yeah as I said then kalroth_ ,) |
| 10:33.28 | olafski | and most indie games fall apart before they are done |
| 10:33.31 | olafski | (statistic invented by me) |
| 10:33.45 | Fisker- | tell me krka |
| 10:33.49 | Fisker- | raaaaaaaaaaycaaaaaaaaaasting |
| 10:33.50 | olafski | so the shorter the better |
| 10:34.02 | Kalroth | Well that's true for most amateur projects, olafski |
| 10:34.10 | olafski | indeed |
| 10:34.26 | olafski | so if a game can be completed in 2 months it has a lot more chance of survival than one that takes 2 years |
| 10:34.35 | olafski | the 2 year one might be better but it might just never finish :) |
| 10:34.58 | Kalroth | unless you open source it and there's enough bored programmers out there :P |
| 10:35.13 | olafski | yeah but even then probably not.. there are so many of such projects |
| 10:35.39 | olafski | in the 3ds max channel we get so many people coming in asking for people to join their project.. it's embarassing |
| 10:35.44 | olafski | most of them have no idea what they want to do |
| 10:36.03 | olafski | they model 2 guns and think they're well on their way for a TC of quake 4 |
| 10:36.05 | Kalroth | "hay can i plz join teh next half-lief 2 project???" |
| 10:36.32 | olafski | when asked for a design document they either have no idea what it is or they just write one line |
| 10:36.38 | Fisker- | "â¢Knockbacks no longer dismount players. If on a flying mount, you will be knocked back a short distance before being able to resume flying." |
| 10:36.43 | Amarande | Kalroth: actually, the writing part I'd be pretty decent at, as for mechanics-level design, I'd probably do well with that |
| 10:36.43 | olafski | "it's a post apocalyptic reality shooter" |
| 10:36.51 | Fisker- | is still the best change ever made that was about 3 major patches late |
| 10:36.55 | Amarande | it's the whole graphical engine thing that escapes me these days when it comes to game design |
| 10:37.09 | Amarande | and gets further away from me as graphics advance |
| 10:37.10 | olafski | amarande: if you have a good story the engine doesn't matter that much does it? |
| 10:37.20 | olafski | amarande: just get some programmers and ask them which engine they would prefer to work on ;) |
| 10:37.44 | olafski | hm I gotta make a list of things to look at when the patch hits me |
| 10:38.11 | olafski | usually it's like 4 weeks after a patch and I'm "huh, I totally forgot that feature was going to make it in" |
| 10:38.51 | Fisker- | btw |
| 10:39.07 | Fisker- | lets bet that Blizzard forgot to check if all bosses are dead on naxx 25 immortal runs |
| 10:39.17 | Fisker- | and that it'll be hotfixed before EU gets to do it tomorrow |
| 10:39.32 | krka | our game is the shit! we have a 3d world, basic physics, custom developed communication framework, custom server, lua based ui, lua based effect definitions... one day we may add gameplay on top of it all |
| 10:40.25 | olafski | krka: :) |
| 10:40.51 | olafski | that'd be fun fisker- :P |
| 10:41.06 | olafski | don't think I'd want that title if it was exploited but still |
| 10:42.53 | olafski | I wonder what big cutscene they're going to put in |
| 10:43.29 | Amarande | heh, Fisker, that reminds me |
| 10:43.39 | Amarande | they should create a special temporary achievement and title for exploitation |
| 10:43.45 | mikma | meh |
| 10:43.49 | Amarande | if people game the system in a blatant way like that |
| 10:43.56 | mikma | need to find a good spec for dk in 3.3 |
| 10:44.14 | Amarande | then when they fix the achievement, anyone who did that 1) has their ill-gotten achievement removed, and 2) is given the Exploiter title, which they CAN'T take off for X amount of time. :) |
| 10:44.43 | Amarande | So everyone can look at you and know that you were a dirty cheater. :) |
| 10:44.56 | olafski | amarande: they could have just not gamed the system though |
| 10:45.08 | olafski | maybe people think "hm I need loot from KT but I don't want to do all of naxx, nice now I don't have to" |
| 10:45.19 | olafski | and then accidentally get it :P |
| 10:45.23 | Amarande | olafski: well, they could still remove the achievement then to fix it |
| 10:45.31 | olafski | yeah they really should |
| 10:45.37 | Zyn | mikma : http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfVMVZZfMbI0cdg0ux0uIqo:LsbMmV |
| 10:45.39 | Amarande | after all, they could look at the data for that raid ID, since it'll be around for the rest of the week |
| 10:45.40 | olafski | yay crocolisks in the city today ,) |
| 10:46.06 | mikma | zyn: i'm guessing everyone is going unholy because of the superboost of SS :) |
| 10:46.10 | Amarande | olafski, do I see someone who still hasn't gotten their Captain Rumsey's recipe? :) |
| 10:46.15 | Zyn | probably :P |
| 10:46.25 | mikma | zyn: on that hand, i hate bone armor :O |
| 10:46.25 | Zyn | I am going Unholy for sure |
| 10:46.27 | Amarande | I always HATED Crocolisks in the City. |
| 10:46.40 | Zyn | Bone Shield is back to its 5 min duration |
| 10:46.43 | olafski | Glancing Blows: The mage, warlock, and priest classes no longer have an increased chance for their melee attacks to be glancing blows; and the damage penalty due to their glancing blows is the same as for other classes. |
| 10:46.43 | Zyn | thank fuck |
| 10:46.45 | mikma | oh? |
| 10:46.47 | olafski | !! |
| 10:46.51 | olafski | now I can finally melee on my lock! |
| 10:47.01 | mikma | zyn: how many bones? |
| 10:47.11 | Amarande | Especially after WotLK came out and I was hearthed in Dalaran, but needed to do the Shattrath fishing and cooking dailies still for achievements. |
| 10:47.16 | olafski | amarande: no, I have the recipes I think.. don't really care, but I am missing one of the 4 crocolisks |
| 10:47.17 | Zyn | should still be 4 |
| 10:47.26 | Amarande | Crocolisks in the City was always a PAIN then. |
| 10:47.28 | Amarande | See, it went like this. |
| 10:47.32 | Amarande | I'd be in Dalaran. |
| 10:47.35 | mikma | well, as long as it stays for most of the fight, damnit. |
| 10:47.49 | Amarande | Drop through the portal to Shattrath, and get the daily. Normally I'd just do the daily and fly back over to the fishing guy to turn in. |
| 10:47.54 | mikma | zyn: unholy or http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfVMVh0IsbRfostZfMh0xcb:LGIMmV |
| 10:47.59 | Amarande | But if it was Crocolisks in the City, I had to drop through to Orgrimmar to do it. |
| 10:48.03 | Zyn | good thing passive AoE during fights doesn't consume bones |
| 10:48.12 | Zyn | as in dots and shit |
| 10:48.13 | krka | olafski: here's our current progress for what it's worth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDAkHqL4EWE |
| 10:48.15 | Amarande | Then I would have to hearth back to Dalaran and drop through the portal to Shattrath again to turn in |
| 10:48.21 | Amarande | and then I would be stuck in Outland with my hearth on CD. :P |
| 10:48.29 | krka | all done in java and kahlua :) |
| 10:48.41 | mikma | zyn: the thing i dislike is the T9 4set bonus getting nerfed :( |
| 10:48.57 | Amarande | Besides, Crocolisks in the City COST me an achievement once, because of the bug when the crocolisk and Old Crafty ended up together in your fishing. |
| 10:49.04 | Zyn | well if they havn't nerfed it, we'd still use it way into ICC no matter how good the gear is :P |
| 10:49.12 | Zyn | since 4set is (was) too good |
| 10:49.24 | Fisker- | loot old crafty then Amarande |
| 10:49.54 | Amarande | Fisker: at the time my addons caused me to auto-loot, which would grab the crocolisk (because Crafty was still waiting on the "It will bind it to you!" warning) |
| 10:50.01 | olafski | krka: that's all good and well.. but does it have borg pigs? |
| 10:50.03 | Amarande | (WHY IS THERE A BOP WARNING WHEN YOU ARE SOLOING) |
| 10:50.19 | mikma | zyn: what do you think about the metagem, 21 crit or 21 agi? |
| 10:50.34 | olafski | I don't mind crocs in the city much amarande |
| 10:50.34 | Amarande | and then when I clicked the BoP warning (again, why do they bother ANYWAY with it when you are solo) nothing happened, and I eventually had to ditch Crafty without being able to loot it |
| 10:50.37 | Fisker- | Disable addons, remove the crokolisk, fish again Amarande |
| 10:50.40 | olafski | I have my warrior camped out at the questgiver |
| 10:50.46 | olafski | I log it in, check the quest and log out |
| 10:50.53 | Zyn | I am a cheap bastard using the 21 agi one, so I can put a +10 stats gem in the other slot of my headpeice and that alone activates the metagem |
| 10:50.54 | Zyn | :P |
| 10:50.55 | olafski | if it's crocs I log my DK and do the quest ;) |
| 10:51.05 | krka | olafski: in fact, yes we do! |
| 10:51.15 | olafski | oh that's pretty awesome then krka |
| 10:51.21 | krka | it was on our must have list |
| 10:51.29 | olafski | (when you described the features you got, it ringed a bell already :)) |
| 10:51.32 | Fisker- | is it some damn raycasting krka ? |
| 10:51.40 | mikma | zyn: i decided to put the +10 all stats in my axe :D now i can just change the rune and it's suitable for tanking or dps'ing |
| 10:51.43 | Amarande | Zyn: why would dots consume bones? dots aren't considered being hit |
| 10:51.53 | krka | olafski: what, did i plug that game here earlier? O_o |
| 10:52.00 | Amarande | it's just like how dots don't interrupt you when you're mining or the like |
| 10:52.05 | Zyn | I know that already, it's just a small benefit with Bone Shield :P |
| 10:52.07 | olafski | no, one of your friends did in #java@quakenet :) |
| 10:52.20 | Amarande | heck, apparently someone can actively initiate casting mind flay on you while you're mining and it doesn't interrupt you at all :) |
| 10:52.25 | mikma | i hope blizz fixes Path of Frost at some point |
| 10:52.39 | olafski | I heard max 2010 has the only collada exporter that works with your current pipeline btw krka! |
| 10:52.40 | Amarande | mikma: what's wrong with it? |
| 10:52.43 | Amarande | that's the DK jesus ability, right? |
| 10:52.59 | olafski | yes |
| 10:52.59 | Amarande | I wasn't aware anything was broken with it at all |
| 10:53.00 | mikma | aye. it "breaks" if the mob hits you and misses |
| 10:53.06 | Amarande | ah. |
| 10:53.25 | mikma | also, mob hitting 0 damage cancels it |
| 10:53.29 | Amarande | I never really noticed it, besides, to me PoF mostly only exists to save me time having to swim |
| 10:53.35 | DJJeff | what would be really nice.... when you enter a 25 man raid like warsong gulch instead of just showing your 5 man group... show all 25 in the raid :) |
| 10:53.43 | Zyn | should've removed Daze on all levels while they were at it, annoying piss mechanic |
| 10:53.56 | Amarande | Zyn: yes, Daze sucks, and is no fun |
| 10:53.57 | Fisker- | btw mikma |
| 10:54.00 | Fisker- | you know what i love? |
| 10:54.05 | Amarande | but apparently Blizzard thinks that 'scariness' is more important than fun there :P |
| 10:54.14 | zenzio | remember when they almost made tanks dazeable? |
| 10:54.14 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 10:54.14 | Fisker- | Taunting death knights using PoF at the phanotom ghostfish daily spot |
| 10:54.27 | tekkub | the problem with daze was simply that lowere lever mob layout are really shitty |
| 10:54.36 | olafski | krka: you guys should really get some more detailed terrain in there to show the power of java :) |
| 10:54.45 | tekkub | at higher levels you can run around without getting FIVE mobs on your ass |
| 10:54.54 | krka | haha nice olafski |
| 10:54.57 | krka | which one? |
| 10:55.04 | olafski | bronzon |
| 10:55.07 | krka | ah cool |
| 10:55.20 | olafski | :) |
| 10:55.35 | olafski | the king of quakenet |
| 10:55.41 | krka | so i've heard |
| 10:55.46 | Amarande | aright. need some sleep before work |
| 10:55.48 | Amarande | night folks |
| 10:55.49 | krka | but only from him |
| 10:56.05 | olafski | now you heard it from me ;) |
| 10:57.11 | DJJeff | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Proving_Grounds_(Horde) |
| 10:57.16 | DJJeff | for example |
| 10:57.30 | DJJeff | how does say a person in group 1 |
| 10:57.40 | DJJeff | wanna share this quest with someone in group 4 |
| 10:57.43 | olafski | gl doing that in a group.. everybody has usually already done it |
| 10:57.52 | olafski | you can share raid quests afaik |
| 10:58.07 | DJJeff | your suppose to solo Proving Grounds? |
| 10:58.20 | olafski | it's certainly possible |
| 10:58.29 | DJJeff | I find it extremely diffacult for a 70 mage |
| 10:58.30 | DJJeff | to solo it |
| 10:58.32 | olafski | sometimes there are other people doing it |
| 10:58.40 | olafski | duh, 70 is in the 70-79 bracket |
| 10:58.40 | DJJeff | rarely |
| 10:58.43 | olafski | try doing it at lvl 75 |
| 10:58.50 | olafski | or should've done it at 69 :) |
| 10:59.01 | DJJeff | 69 would have been smart |
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| 10:59.10 | DJJeff | I thought 60-70 |
| 10:59.15 | olafski | :) |
| 10:59.17 | DJJeff | not 60-69 |
| 10:59.30 | DJJeff | *facepalm* |
| 10:59.34 | Grum | there are no lvl20 twinks :P |
| 10:59.39 | olafski | yeah I hoped it was 61-70 too |
| 10:59.45 | olafski | so I could play my shaman at 60 |
| 10:59.57 | olafski | wanted to get some vanilla pvp gear.. but now I might as well just level on |
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| 11:01.57 | Fisker- | <-level 1 twink |
| 11:02.33 | olafski | boring |
| 11:02.56 | olafski | twinks are nice if they fight other twinks |
| 11:02.59 | Fisker- | that's not what your mom said |
| 11:03.30 | olafski | yay got the last croc |
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| 11:03.50 | olafski | it's so boring to be /duelled by a lvl 1 char with 500 hp.. they're so easy to spot anyway |
| 11:03.54 | Fisker- | pet? |
| 11:03.57 | olafski | yeh |
| 11:04.02 | olafski | no more crocs in the city for me |
| 11:04.30 | Fisker- | i fucking hate you |
| 11:04.51 | olafski | same to you :) |
| 11:05.18 | olafski | would it be considered exploiting if I make a 5v5 team and play 10 matches a week on my own? |
| 11:05.24 | olafski | just to get arena points |
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| 11:07.58 | DJJeff | Realm: Windrunner (Online) |
| 11:08.07 | olafski | gg, go play |
| 11:08.10 | DJJeff | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/ |
| 11:08.37 | Fisker- | 8 hours before time? |
| 11:08.52 | olafski | Infusion of Light: This talent now causes the paladinâs Flash of Light spells to heal the target for 50/100% of the Flash of Light healing amount over 12 seconds <-- think this will stack the same way ignite does? ,) |
| 11:09.05 | DJJeff | nvm |
| 11:09.09 | DJJeff | false positive |
| 11:09.13 | DJJeff | damn you blizzard |
| 11:09.25 | olafski | who would have guessed :) |
| 11:09.27 | Fisker- | i'm gonna damn you |
| 11:09.47 | olafski | rogues get stealth and dualwielding at lvl 1 now? imba |
| 11:10.03 | Fisker- | The best thing about patch tomorrow is that the "leading" 10-man team in our guild is without players |
| 11:10.35 | Fisker- | Raidleader decided to "optimize" the team and leave me and 2 other healers out |
| 11:10.35 | Fisker- | And that's despite the fact we did 50 tries anub without issues |
| 11:10.50 | Fisker- | So we pretty much took all his people and started our own |
| 11:10.50 | Fisker- | :P |
| 11:11.00 | Fisker- | reap what you sow, etc |
| 11:11.30 | DJJeff | if World Of Warcraft ever goes belly up... could I grab a high end server machine and install a WoW realm on it? |
| 11:11.39 | olafski | crud, gotta go |
| 11:11.43 | olafski | cya :> |
| 11:12.38 | Fisker- | Short answer: No |
| 11:12.44 | Fisker- | Long answer: lol belly up |
| 11:12.54 | DJJeff | I wonder if the public test realms are online right now |
| 11:13.04 | olafski | don't think wow will remain interesting for long if there are no more patches |
| 11:13.45 | Fisker- | i can't wait to see what happens when their next mmo is released |
| 11:14.00 | Fisker- | they may actually kill their own business :P |
| 11:14.21 | krka | would be interesting if they opened it up for good will purposes |
| 11:14.36 | krka | though they have a bad track record for such things |
| 11:14.45 | DJJeff | can anyone confirm if the PTR is open and online now? |
| 11:14.55 | DJJeff | Public Test Realm |
| 11:19.16 | DJJeff | netsplit? |
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| 11:20.06 | DJJeff | can anyone confirm if the PTR is open and online now? |
| 11:20.06 | DJJeff | Public Test Realm |
| 11:20.06 | DJJeff | netsplit? |
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| 11:23.28 | pompy | DJJeff: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21627634661&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 11:23.32 | Fisker- | bananasplit |
| 11:23.45 | pompy | ~lart Fisker- |
| 11:23.45 | purl | shoots Fisker- in his sleep |
| 11:24.53 | jnwhiteh | YOU WOULDN'T NETSPLIT A FISKER |
| 11:25.18 | Fisker- | you wouldn't |
| 11:25.27 | Fisker- | omg jnwhiteh |
| 11:25.30 | Fisker- | a bomb |
| 11:25.35 | jnwhiteh | ssh |
| 11:25.40 | jnwhiteh | they won't let you on the plane |
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| 11:29.04 | Fisker- | I'd take a recording of JD Denton shouting "A BOMB!" to an airport jnwhiteh |
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| 11:31.35 | DJJeff | anyone wanna take a look at a glitch for me? |
| 11:31.35 | DJJeff | so in this sample |
| 11:31.42 | DJJeff | I am a mage with my water elemental |
| 11:31.43 | DJJeff | http://i50.tinypic.com/1zx2x4.jpg |
| 11:31.51 | DJJeff | look where it stuck the controls |
| 11:32.06 | DJJeff | where is the nice background? |
| 11:35.28 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't exist when you have the bottomleft bar up |
| 11:35.30 | jnwhiteh | intentional |
| 11:35.33 | jnwhiteh | its not a glitch =) |
| 11:35.54 | jnwhiteh | keep in mind there are no border graphics for the bottomleft bar, so there's nothing for the 'nice' background to be attached to. |
| 11:35.54 | Fisker- | oh but it is jnwhiteh |
| 11:35.57 | Fisker- | you just don't know yet |
| 11:36.09 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: YOU WOULDN'T DE-BACKGROUND A FISKER |
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| 11:36.24 | Fisker- | stop it jnwhiteh |
| 11:36.31 | Fisker- | you're killing me |
| 11:36.36 | jnwhiteh | you wouldn't stop a jnwhiteh |
| 11:36.45 | Fisker- | i would if i could |
| 11:36.47 | jnwhiteh | srsly. |
| 11:36.51 | jnwhiteh | who wouldn't. |
| 11:36.54 | jnwhiteh | he's such an asshole. |
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| 11:38.08 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 11:38.09 | Fisker- | jerkface |
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| 11:38.32 | DJJeff | ok this next one.... is not a glitch.... |
| 11:38.33 | DJJeff | http://i49.tinypic.com/15czqq0.jpg |
| 11:38.45 | DJJeff | I just cant stop lol'ing @ haris pilton |
| 11:39.04 | DJJeff | I actually got her Gigantic bag... I got all 4 |
| 11:39.14 | DJJeff | so now I have 104 slots total |
| 11:39.16 | jnwhiteh | nice |
| 11:39.19 | Fisker- | EthanCentaurai: is a jerk too |
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| 11:39.56 | DJJeff | anyone else get haris piltons 22 slot bag? |
| 11:40.12 | DJJeff | 1200 gold is pretty expensive I think X_X |
| 11:40.58 | DJJeff | oh also in that screenshot...... |
| 11:41.03 | DJJeff | the TRADE chat |
| 11:41.07 | DJJeff | tons of spam |
| 11:41.11 | DJJeff | selling gold |
| 11:41.20 | DJJeff | I tried to buy gold from a website |
| 11:41.33 | DJJeff | they were about 500 gold short |
| 11:41.42 | DJJeff | cause they speak chinese |
| 11:41.49 | DJJeff | rip offs all of theme |
| 11:42.12 | DJJeff | them* |
| 11:43.07 | Fisker- | i had it |
| 11:43.20 | Fisker- | but sold it again for 1100g |
| 11:43.28 | DJJeff | hahahahaha |
| 11:43.29 | DJJeff | how |
| 11:43.33 | DJJeff | its soulbound |
| 11:43.39 | DJJeff | once you put it on |
| 11:44.22 | Fisker- | i never put it on |
| 11:44.25 | DJJeff | ah |
| 11:44.28 | DJJeff | :) |
| 11:47.14 | Fisker- | nice |
| 11:47.24 | Fisker- | local postal services now making thievery a feature ;3 |
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| 11:47.44 | Fisker- | You can get a feature where they deliver your package even if you're not home |
| 11:47.58 | Fisker- | Though of course all responsibility from them is removed when it's delivered |
| 11:48.05 | Fisker- | or of course when the postman steals it |
| 11:50.09 | Legorol | morning |
| 11:50.20 | Legorol | I see that 3.3 patch notes are posted on US forum, does this mean the patch has arrived? |
| 11:50.55 | Hjalte | Fisker-: Why are there two of you in this channel? You must be bad at IRC! |
| 11:51.41 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11824293658&sid=1 <- jnwhiteh having billing issues |
| 11:51.46 | Fisker- | Hjalte i'm better than you |
| 11:52.12 | Bruners | DJJeff: did you just buy the 22 slot bag? |
| 11:52.30 | Bruners | DJJeff: new bag 24 slot bag in 3.3 :P |
| 11:53.01 | Hjalte | Fisker-: I think the postman stole your brain. |
| 11:53.16 | Fisker- | naw |
| 11:53.23 | Fisker- | y so srs today Hjalte ? |
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| 11:54.02 | Adys | ok wow. |
| 11:54.05 | Hjalte | I didn't sleep. Might be it. |
| 11:54.10 | Adys | Weâre sorry, but your Gmail account is temporarily unavailable. We apologize for the inconvenience and suggest trying again in a few minutes. |
| 11:54.21 | Adys | its like windows is hacking into my gmail acc |
| 11:54.37 | Adys | this probably has nothing to do with me deleting a 24 thousand mails archive though |
| 11:55.31 | Adys | (right?) |
| 11:59.29 | EthanCentaurai | every freenode server I log into crashes :/ |
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| 12:00.24 | EthanCentaurai | slaps brown.freenode.net around a bit with a large trout. |
| 12:01.08 | Fisker- | you should've seen jnwhiteh |
| 12:01.17 | Fisker- | Adys just splitted the network so only me and him was there |
| 12:01.18 | Fisker- | it was amazing |
| 12:02.43 | jnwhiteh | that sounds like heaven to me |
| 12:02.43 | Adys | eve doesnt want to patch, halp |
| 12:02.47 | jnwhiteh | since you'd be trapped on the other side |
| 12:03.00 | jnwhiteh | although admittedly I'd miss adys =/ |
| 12:03.09 | Adys | suck it up. |
| 12:03.18 | jnwhiteh | but.. but.. |
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| 12:03.35 | Adys | speaking of sucking unhealthy body parts |
| 12:03.41 | Adys | booting nux, this OS is fucking terrible |
| 12:04.17 | Fisker- | i wonder |
| 12:04.35 | Fisker- | Google just said they'd discontinue google gears |
| 12:04.41 | Fisker- | but now they've finally put offline gmail out of labs |
| 12:04.46 | Fisker- | which requires google gears |
| 12:04.49 | Fisker- | hurr durrs |
| 12:04.49 | jnwhiteh | HTML5 |
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| 12:05.04 | jnwhiteh | that's why they're discontinuing gears |
| 12:05.15 | jnwhiteh | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/failblog/~3/3TOJeTJmxcA/ |
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| 12:15.57 | [Wobin] | ... hidden hubs? |
| 12:16.31 | [Wobin] | sekrit underground irc hubz |
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| 12:18.02 | DJJeff | the quit/join spam is annoying |
| 12:18.02 | DJJeff | I guess I could disable quit/join in my irc client *sigh* |
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| 12:22.05 | [Wobin] | I'm seeing Kubrik doing the quit/join |
| 12:22.36 | DJJeff | will Spritney Bears show up in 3.3 patch? |
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| 12:24.01 | DJJeff | "Gigantique" Bag should be Bind to Account not Bind on Equip |
| 12:27.33 | DJJeff | o |
| 12:27.34 | DJJeff | m |
| 12:27.35 | DJJeff | f |
| 12:27.35 | DJJeff | g |
| 12:27.36 | DJJeff | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23162 |
| 12:27.45 | Sentri | old |
| 12:27.46 | DJJeff | 36 Slot Bag |
| 12:28.07 | Sentri | been there since vanilla afaik :) |
| 12:28.11 | Sentri | gm-only though |
| 12:28.30 | DJJeff | guild master? |
| 12:28.41 | Sentri | not available to players I mean |
| 12:29.00 | Sentri | as you can read from the wowhead page |
| 12:29.23 | Kaso | it was given to players on a few PTRs in tbc iirc |
| 12:29.39 | Kaso | the tagline makes me smile |
| 12:30.55 | Wobin | batrick, did you have a link to the patch? |
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| 12:33.33 | DJJeff | "New bag coming out in 3.3 which is Portable Hole, also buyable from Haris Pilton. 24 Slots and it costs 3k gold." |
| 12:33.43 | DJJeff | fuck that |
| 12:33.46 | Bruners | ? |
| 12:34.02 | Bruners | im getting 4 of them |
| 12:34.05 | Wobin | DJJeff, the whole point is the same point as the gigantique |
| 12:34.09 | Wobin | it's a money sink |
| 12:34.18 | zenzio | how appropriate of Haris Pilton to be selling a "portable hole" |
| 12:34.49 | Kaso | lol |
| 12:35.05 | cbreak | I think they get sued. |
| 12:35.06 | DJJeff | can I stick my penis inside her portable hole? |
| 12:35.14 | DJJeff | errrrrr |
| 12:35.14 | Kaso | will she still be selling the gigantique? or do i need to buy it for the achievement now? |
| 12:35.19 | Wobin | DJJeff, yes |
| 12:35.23 | Wobin | Just don't expect to get it back |
| 12:35.25 | DJJeff | can I put my penis inside her portable hole |
| 12:35.42 | DJJeff | thats lol |
| 12:35.49 | Wobin | Kaso, I don't see why not |
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| 12:36.54 | Aelobin | is there any way you can /cleartarget just using /target? |
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| 12:37.18 | DJJeff | http://www.wowwiki.com/Portable_Hole |
| 12:38.28 | shkm | Heya, just wondering if anyone could tell me how to pass an argument to an event handler. E.g. I want have an event handler with usual args (self, event, ...) and need to check a spell name against the spell name in varargs. The spell name to check it against needs to be passed as an argument, but I'm not sure how to do this. |
| 12:38.51 | shkm | Might just be a brain fart, mind. |
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| 12:44.53 | Mikk | You can't tell blizzard's code to pass you extra arguments |
| 12:45.07 | Mikk | You can store it in the "self" though |
| 12:45.30 | DJJeff | can Glacial Bag ever be found in the Auction House? |
| 12:45.47 | shkm | Ah, so I can assign the value to self before calling the event handler? |
| 12:45.55 | shkm | Or wait... |
| 12:45.57 | shkm | Never mind. Thanks. |
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| 12:49.25 | pompy | DJJeff: yeah |
| 12:49.50 | Bruners | DJJeff: people rarely bother to sell them as selling the mats gets you more gold |
| 12:53.24 | Kaso | is the sell price for that bag correct? isnt the sell price usually buy price/4 |
| 12:54.28 | Bruners | i dont think they are linked in any way |
| 12:55.35 | olafski | I wonder what the reasoning is for not allowing chars below lvl 10 to join raids? |
| 12:56.04 | Bruners | to avoid people using trial accounts to farm raid content |
| 12:56.25 | Bruners | not that it helps |
| 12:56.29 | olafski | hmm |
| 12:56.33 | foxlit | Not that that even makes sense. |
| 12:56.34 | olafski | why would they really mind that |
| 12:56.43 | olafski | it's not that it's hard to ask a guildie to log an alt to join your raid |
| 12:56.49 | foxlit | I think their actual reasoning was "because raids are confusing the newbies by cutting their XP gain to shreds" |
| 12:57.26 | Bruners | its the same point as you cant go into a raid instance without being in a raid |
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| 12:58.02 | olafski | yeah that bugs me :P |
| 12:58.07 | Hjalte | Bruners: Someone could go in and die 10 times and wonder what they did wrong? |
| 12:58.12 | foxlit | Bruners, I don't see the point. |
| 12:58.26 | olafski | cause easy as it is to ask a guildie, in my guild usually there are at most 3 people online |
| 12:58.29 | Hjalte | It is annoying having to find a raid, especially if you're on late in the night :) |
| 12:58.32 | foxlit | Level 10s probably cannot even zone into raid instances, let alone do anything inside one. |
| 12:58.50 | foxlit | Anyone who can do anything of use in a raid instance will either get saved to it or does not need a level 10 accomplice. |
| 12:58.53 | Bruners | doesnt matter much as you can just start a DK now |
| 12:59.04 | olafski | not on a trial acc though |
| 12:59.36 | Kaso | the reasoning is to stop gold spammers doing their "invite the whole server to raid group and spam adverts in there" that they used to do i think |
| 12:59.56 | foxlit | Haven't seen that... ever. |
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| 13:00.28 | foxlit | http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/20444817276-players-below-level-10-may-not-join-raids.html#125 |
| 13:00.29 | olafski | me neither |
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| 13:01.21 | olafski | ah |
| 13:01.25 | olafski | it makes sense I guess :) |
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| 13:01.50 | olafski | dang, wish I could get ashen verdict rep in heroics |
| 13:01.58 | Kaso | you never saw the raid spamming thing? |
| 13:02.16 | Kaso | admittedly it was a while ago so perhaps maybe not htat |
| 13:02.33 | foxlit | It never got popular, really. |
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| 13:02.58 | foxlit | And whisper spam seems to have died out; they just spam global channels now. |
| 13:03.35 | olafski | I also wonder why they changed the raptor hatchlings.. is it because they're too easy to farm now? |
| 13:03.45 | olafski | mm I got some whisper spam yesterday |
| 13:03.47 | eidolarr | I got a whisper the other day actually, not spam but "hello would u like some good news :)" |
| 13:03.52 | olafski | the spammers seem quite polite though |
| 13:04.00 | eidolarr | "no my dog died today" <silence> |
| 13:04.11 | Hjalte | olafski: I believe the spawn times are the same as before. Are they worried some people are using rare-finder addons? |
| 13:04.17 | olafski | "hello would you like some gold? only 4.99 for 1000g, if not enjoy your game today!" |
| 13:04.31 | olafski | hjalte: yeah I think that might be it.. I used a macro and got all of them just last week ;) |
| 13:04.48 | Kaso | if they hated npcscan so much they could have made API changes, why just the raptors too |
| 13:05.51 | foxlit | Better design, really. |
| 13:06.04 | foxlit | Players after the pets don't have to harm innocent raptors and ravage through their corpses. |
| 13:06.34 | olafski | Tier 2 Helmets: Looting these items from Nefarion in Blackwing Lair will no longer trigger the Onyxiaâs Lair (level 60) Feat of Strength achievement. <-- giggle |
| 13:06.47 | Wobin | how did they change the raptors? |
| 13:06.51 | olafski | foxlit: eh.. innocent? they only drop from rare raptors anyway |
| 13:07.06 | olafski | the 1% and 0.1% droprate hatchlings still drop from raptors |
| 13:07.16 | olafski | wobin: you now have to loot a nest rather than the rare spawn raptor |
| 13:07.25 | foxlit | They should totally add "And we've removed all instances of that FoS earned after (3.2 drop date)." |
| 13:07.39 | Wobin | olafski, ah |
| 13:07.46 | olafski | foxlit: yeah |
| 13:08.06 | olafski | wobin: I guess this is so you can't just run around and /tar Dart; /tar Ravasaur Matriarch; /tar Takk; etc |
| 13:08.36 | Wobin | I wonder if the nest model is unique enough for npcscan to match it =P |
| 13:09.09 | olafski | that's how npcscan works? |
| 13:09.17 | olafski | I figured it would just try to target mobs |
| 13:09.17 | Wobin | well it works off npc models =P |
| 13:09.24 | Kaso | it uses caching of npc info |
| 13:09.24 | Wobin | if they appear in your cache, it pings |
| 13:09.31 | Kaso | so the nest would need a npc id |
| 13:09.31 | olafski | hmm |
| 13:09.36 | olafski | but the nest isn't an npc I imagine |
| 13:09.40 | olafski | are chests npcs? |
| 13:09.46 | Kaso | itll just be a doodad |
| 13:09.57 | Wobin | damn dem doodads |
| 13:10.06 | Wobin | alas |
| 13:10.24 | Wobin | one of my workmates put himself into throttled internet downloading the client |
| 13:10.30 | Wobin | and now he'll have to do the same for the patch =P |
| 13:10.34 | DJJeff | http://blizzard.vo.llnwd.net/o16/content/WoW-3.2.2.10505-to-3.3.0.10958-enUS-patch.exe |
| 13:10.48 | DJJeff | throws down a "forbidden error" |
| 13:11.18 | Grum | so? :D |
| 13:12.06 | DJJeff | just thought it was funny |
| 13:12.11 | olafski | oO |
| 13:12.14 | olafski | welcome to the internets :P |
| 13:12.15 | Wobin | Oo |
| 13:12.31 | Grum | i agree, http://wtf.bla.com omg 404 |
| 13:13.02 | DJJeff | 403 is forbidden |
| 13:13.04 | DJJeff | not 404 |
| 13:13.11 | DJJeff | 404 is not found |
| 13:13.18 | Grum | yes so? |
| 13:13.28 | Wobin | I like 418 |
| 13:13.34 | DJJeff | whats 418? |
| 13:13.36 | Kaso | he's suggesting the patch is ready and its on the server but blizzard just need to flip the switch to make it downloadable |
| 13:13.40 | Wobin | "I'm a teapot" |
| 13:13.55 | foxlit | 418.2: "I'm a teapot, you insensitive clod" |
| 13:14.01 | DJJeff | lol |
| 13:14.11 | Grum | its not, just look at the rror it gives You don't have permission to access /content/WoW-3.2.2.10505-to-3.3.0.10958-enUS-patch.exe/ <-- see the last / ? |
| 13:14.20 | Grum | ea: lolcrap |
| 13:14.48 | Wobin | yay, patching |
| 13:15.06 | Grum | was there a 3rd part to the patch? |
| 13:15.16 | Wobin | well |
| 13:15.21 | Wobin | yes |
| 13:16.05 | Wobin | about 24mb |
| 13:16.15 | Grum | ah thats not too bad |
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| 13:26.36 | DJJeff | im at 85% on the blizzard updater :) |
| 13:27.07 | DJJeff | it would suck having to download this patch 50 times |
| 13:27.14 | DJJeff | for my 50 some odd computers |
| 13:27.22 | DJJeff | I love having a fast LAN |
| 13:27.26 | DJJeff | download once |
| 13:27.33 | DJJeff | share the updates folder on the LAN |
| 13:27.35 | DJJeff | and boom |
| 13:27.37 | DJJeff | patch them all |
| 13:29.26 | Lopeppeppy | Hoping it's small enough to cross over with my thumb drive. Anyone have the full size yet? |
| 13:30.03 | zenzio | you know you get 16 GB USB sticks for next to nothing these days? |
| 13:30.21 | Lopeppeppy | I know I have no free cash to buy a new one. :P Dude, I'm getting laid off in 2 months. |
| 13:30.23 | pompy | Lopeppeppy: 680 mb |
| 13:30.24 | Wobin | 677M |
| 13:30.40 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent, I have a 4G stick. |
| 13:33.08 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy wants a usbsnack |
| 13:33.11 | Fisker | ? |
| 13:33.19 | Lopeppeppy | I've been really good. :) |
| 13:33.42 | Fisker | that's what they all say |
| 13:34.02 | Lopeppeppy | But I wont' do it for less than 3 usbsnacks, nuh-uh! Too scary! |
| 13:42.03 | DJJeff | does this mean our talent points resets? |
| 13:43.29 | DJJeff | I want to recruit a friend.... anyone wanna start playing wow? |
| 13:43.38 | mikma | i didnt find any mention of that |
| 13:44.34 | DJJeff | lol @ Level 1 characters no longer start with food or water in their inventory. |
| 13:45.04 | DJJeff | omg wow....... "Meeting Stones: To use any Meeting Stone, it is only required that the character's minimum level be 15. There is no maximum character level requirement for any Meeting Stone." |
| 13:45.08 | DJJeff | me likey |
| 13:45.12 | DJJeff | me likey alot |
| 13:48.57 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, so much nicer. |
| 13:50.10 | foxlit | "Lastly, the color picker pane in the Custom Ring item list is appearing under the addon options panes, and is not movable. " << I cannot remember who it is I have to blame. |
| 13:51.07 | foxlit | Mapster. Thanks, purl. |
| 13:51.20 | DJJeff | Orgasm's...... |
| 13:51.22 | DJJeff | "Groups using this tool will be able to teleport directly to the selected instance. Upon leaving the instance, players will be returned to their original location. If any party member needs to temporarily leave the instance for reagents or repairs, they will have the option to teleport back to the instance." |
| 13:51.31 | DJJeff | wooooooooooooow |
| 13:51.49 | DJJeff | what a fantastic idea :) |
| 13:51.56 | Lopeppeppy | They're making instancing much nicer. |
| 13:52.14 | nevcairiel | foxlit: what do you blame mapster for? |
| 13:52.27 | foxlit | Altering the strata of InterfaceOptionsFrame |
| 13:53.12 | nevcairiel | yeah so its actually on top of the visible map =P |
| 13:53.26 | foxlit | Mess with the map, imo :) |
| 13:53.58 | DJJeff | "Cross-realm instances" .............. is this gonna increase the chance for 5-man groups?????????? |
| 13:54.05 | foxlit | The actual problem is that I display a color picker from the UI options panel, which causes it to appear below the options panel. |
| 13:54.21 | nevcairiel | you could just bump the color picker, too :) |
| 13:54.22 | DJJeff | blows a big load all across the room |
| 13:54.48 | foxlit | I'd rather not. |
| 13:54.53 | foxlit | Or we'd have wonderful three-way conflicts. |
| 13:55.18 | olafski | foxlit: I have that issue even without mapster |
| 13:55.35 | nevcairiel | the strata of the map has to be at least HIGH or other lements will cover it |
| 13:55.40 | olafski | where have you been the last 2 months djjeff :p |
| 13:55.44 | nevcairiel | but i need the options to go above the map, obviously |
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| 13:55.49 | foxlit | olafski: grep addons for InterfaceOptionsFrame:SetFrameStrata |
| 13:56.01 | foxlit | Hm, I know. I can bump it *down*. |
| 13:56.08 | olafski | 1 sec |
| 13:56.10 | Mikk | nevcairiel: i solved that in carto by changing its strata as you downsized it |
| 13:56.21 | Adys | hahah |
| 13:56.23 | Adys | I brought this up during the 1.1 dev schedule and if I remember correctly the response was "let's have it painted red" and it seemed like it wasn't considered a practical problem. |
| 13:56.23 | Mikk | small one = you probably want bags to pop up over it etc |
| 13:56.28 | Mikk | big one = you want it to cover everything |
| 13:56.33 | Adys | man the django devs are jerks |
| 13:56.36 | nevcairiel | Mikk: i have a option for the user to change it, too |
| 13:56.59 | nevcairiel | hm ok i dont |
| 13:57.04 | Mikk | aye but this happened as you changed size (with scrollwheel) |
| 13:57.08 | nevcairiel | but i have the backend prepared for it :P |
| 13:57.17 | olafski | foxlit: AtlasLoot and MagicRunes have that in them |
| 13:57.18 | nevcairiel | automagic is bad |
| 13:57.30 | olafski | magicrunes through "libBetterBlizzOptions" |
| 13:58.28 | foxlit | It's unfortunate, really. |
| 13:58.39 | Mikk | automagic worked awesomelly |
| 13:58.55 | nevcairiel | I suppose i could just SetTopLevel the Interface options instead |
| 13:59.02 | nevcairiel | so both are on HIGH strata |
| 13:59.08 | nevcairiel | trys |
| 13:59.13 | foxlit | :Raise() |
| 13:59.15 | olafski | svn ups and crosses fingers |
| 13:59.19 | mitch0 | btw, did they fix the OpenToCategory bug? |
| 13:59.26 | foxlit | There was a bug? |
| 13:59.39 | nevcairiel | or Raise, yea |
| 13:59.54 | mitch0 | yes, it didn't always open to the requested category (if the category in question was out of the currently visible scroll area) |
| 14:00.08 | foxlit | Meh, I don't have enough addons to hit that. |
| 14:00.15 | mitch0 | one is enough |
| 14:00.23 | mitch0 | like fortress |
| 14:00.32 | mitch0 | that has gazilion suboptions |
| 14:00.52 | nevcairiel | one per ldb plugin, which comes back to the "not enough addons" :P |
| 14:00.59 | nevcairiel | also you have to have it expanded to be big |
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| 14:04.36 | nevcairiel | there foxlit, i don't change the strata anymore :P |
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| 14:04.49 | foxlit | nevcairiel: Hurray! :) |
| 14:05.00 | nevcairiel | just in time for my 3.3 release |
| 14:05.02 | foxlit | I think what I'm going to do is |
| 14:05.03 | nevcairiel | does last fixes |
| 14:05.20 | foxlit | myPanel:SetScript("OnShow", function() InterfaceOptionsPanel:SetStrata("HIGH"); end); |
| 14:05.40 | olafski | if I bump the interface number to that of 3.3, will that cause problems if I use it today? |
| 14:05.45 | olafski | (e.g. before patching to 3.3) |
| 14:05.51 | foxlit | It'll be "out of date" |
| 14:05.54 | olafski | hmm |
| 14:05.58 | olafski | doesn't seem like much of an issue |
| 14:06.13 | olafski | I'll just bump it now and assume people who haven't patched yet haven't gotten the new version anyway |
| 14:07.18 | olafski | can I assume it's 30300? or is it something different ,) |
| 14:07.44 | jnwhiteh | its 30300 |
| 14:07.54 | jnwhiteh | unpack it, check FrameXML/FrameXML.toc |
| 14:07.58 | jnwhiteh | that's where it's defined |
| 14:07.58 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:08.02 | olafski | I don't have the patch yet though |
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| 14:08.09 | jnwhiteh | well that's what it is |
| 14:08.11 | olafski | we get it tomorrow ;) |
| 14:08.15 | jnwhiteh | you can unpack the code without having 'the patch' |
| 14:08.17 | jnwhiteh | I know, I'm UK as well |
| 14:08.22 | olafski | oh.. kay +) |
| 14:08.22 | jnwhiteh | btu I still have the code, as shoudl you |
| 14:08.25 | jnwhiteh | that's why the PTR exists =) |
| 14:08.41 | olafski | oh dear, think I committed something with all of my debug code intact |
| 14:09.04 | Fisker | slaps olafski around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:09.44 | olafski | hm no this shouldn't matter.. nobody will notice |
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| 14:12.28 | Adys | that was awesome |
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| 14:15.37 | DJJeff | in 3.3 patch you cant edit the realmlist.wtf file? |
| 14:15.47 | DJJeff | to play on private custom servers |
| 14:15.55 | DJJeff | w t f is that crap |
| 14:16.37 | alestane | That's Blizzard protecting their interests. WoW has never been intended to be used with private servers. Doing so is against the terms of service. |
| 14:17.08 | DJJeff | x_X |
| 14:17.43 | Lopeppeppy | About time they protected that file. |
| 14:18.05 | Adys | DJJeff: I suggest you dont complain about this here otherwise you wont be able to |
| 14:18.06 | DJJeff | playing on custom servers means blizzard looses $15 a month |
| 14:18.07 | DJJeff | wow |
| 14:18.19 | DJJeff | how sad |
| 14:18.20 | Fisker | i doubt private servers are even in the equation |
| 14:18.33 | Fisker | people kept having login issues because they did modifications not suited for battle.net |
| 14:18.53 | Lopeppeppy | Also a very good reason, Fisker. |
| 14:18.55 | DJJeff | private servers could steal your battle.net login? |
| 14:19.04 | Fisker | Sure |
| 14:19.16 | Fisker | But i was talking about people who modified the file without knowing what the fuck they were doing |
| 14:19.30 | foxlit | Hey, they did? AWESOME! |
| 14:19.31 | Fisker | And when the battle.net merge was required people started QQ'ing over login not working |
| 14:19.33 | olafski | how do they protect it? |
| 14:19.44 | Fisker | by not taking input from it? |
| 14:19.47 | olafski | hm :) |
| 14:19.55 | olafski | don't really see a reason why you would want to change it anyway |
| 14:19.59 | DJJeff | might as well find me an older machine to install just WoW on it to play on private servers |
| 14:20.06 | olafski | unless perhaps you're "moving" from US to EU or something? |
| 14:20.20 | olafski | I guess this explains why djjeff has been so clueless about everything ever since joining |
| 14:20.21 | Lopeppeppy | DJJeff -- word of warning. We do not discuss things here that are against the Terms of Service, okay? So drop it. |
| 14:20.22 | Adys | Shirik, Dolby, jnwhiteh, do me a favour |
| 14:20.33 | Cairenn | is watching |
| 14:20.42 | Fisker | you wouldn't need to modify anything olafski |
| 14:20.42 | jnwhiteh | Adys: ? |
| 14:20.45 | Adys | why do i always ping the wrong ones? |
| 14:20.52 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 14:20.55 | Fisker | If you have a US and EU account it'll let you choose |
| 14:21.04 | Fisker | an* |
| 14:21.07 | olafski | fisker: really? well I mean without installing a new client... realmlist was the only difference right |
| 14:21.12 | olafski | oh.. maybe not anymore :P |
| 14:21.26 | foxlit | Are battle.net accounts global? |
| 14:21.29 | Fisker | yes |
| 14:21.30 | olafski | think so |
| 14:21.42 | foxlit | So they might as well. |
| 14:21.45 | Adys | foxlit: global as in? |
| 14:21.57 | Fisker | The only thing is that if you have an EU account with an US realmlist it won't work |
| 14:21.59 | olafski | there's no EU / US distinction |
| 14:22.06 | Fisker | But you really shouldn't have that to begin with |
| 14:22.15 | Adys | actually |
| 14:22.18 | Fisker | that wouldn't have worked pre-battle.net anyways |
| 14:22.19 | Adys | i wonder if they fixed that bug |
| 14:22.33 | Adys | if you had an us and eu accounts with the same account name you could only log in to one of them |
| 14:22.40 | olafski | fisker: that was what I meant.. if you've been playing EU but suddenly decide to get a US account, you would change the realmlist |
| 14:22.46 | Fisker | dunno Adys |
| 14:22.54 | Fisker | you could work around it by not checking "remember account name" |
| 14:23.36 | Fisker | olafski if you got an US account you'd have to change the realmlist pre-battle.net |
| 14:23.41 | olafski | yeh |
| 14:23.45 | Fisker | With battle.net you just merge it into the same account |
| 14:23.52 | olafski | yeah that kinda makes sense |
| 14:23.56 | olafski | so good change |
| 14:24.01 | Fisker | You shouldn't get a EU client with an US account for example |
| 14:24.09 | olafski | I don't really see this realmlist.wtf change in the patch notes btw |
| 14:24.17 | Fisker | such changes are rarely announced |
| 14:24.37 | Fisker | they're not really relevant to any user anyways |
| 14:24.37 | olafski | wowwiki usually has undocumented changes or something right |
| 14:24.44 | olafski | yeah indeed |
| 14:24.44 | Fisker | yep |
| 14:24.56 | olafski | I like to look over the undocumented changes anyway |
| 14:25.00 | olafski | sometimes they are good to know about :) |
| 14:25.04 | Fisker | i wonder if you can still modify them through the console though |
| 14:26.22 | Audible | undocumented changes contain alot of gems |
| 14:26.43 | Grum | url? |
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| 14:27.14 | Audible | http://www.wowwiki.com/Global_Function_List |
| 14:27.41 | Adys | erm |
| 14:27.50 | Adys | http://wowprogramming.com :p |
| 14:27.52 | olafski | don't see them for the 3.3 patch yet grum |
| 14:27.54 | jnwhiteh | Audible: that's almost certainly not right. |
| 14:28.17 | foxlit | The page is fine, but it's not really undocumented changes. |
| 14:28.19 | Audible | jnwhiteh : what is not certainly right? |
| 14:28.25 | jnwhiteh | Audible: the global function list |
| 14:28.34 | foxlit | You're actually looking at http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.3.0_(undocumented_changes) |
| 14:28.46 | foxlit | s/at/for/ |
| 14:28.47 | Fisker | nice |
| 14:28.51 | Fisker | they updated undercity a bit |
| 14:28.53 | Fisker | how i love lore |
| 14:29.06 | Fisker | ooooh finally |
| 14:29.08 | jnwhiteh | I need to update the api_master for wowprogramming tonight |
| 14:29.10 | Audible | ah, i was thinking lua |
| 14:29.14 | jnwhiteh | but I'll have to do it again tomorrow |
| 14:29.14 | Fisker | a flight path to WP for horde |
| 14:29.28 | foxlit | But basically, yeah, wiki is still in 3.2.2 land. |
| 14:29.38 | olafski | oh.. nice it's there already ;p |
| 14:29.43 | jnwhiteh | Audible: wowprogramming (within a day) always has the list of every single Widget method, script, API function, event, and CVar that is actually valid in the game. |
| 14:29.50 | jnwhiteh | I'm very proud of that =) |
| 14:29.55 | Lopeppeppy | because wowprogramming rocks the party. :) |
| 14:30.04 | Grum | jnwhiteh: you lot abuse _G! ;) |
| 14:30.09 | jnwhiteh | Grum: who does? |
| 14:30.18 | Grum | wowprogramming! |
| 14:30.24 | jnwhiteh | .. how do you figure? |
| 14:30.49 | Grum | well i assume you look through all of _G to find whatever new api functions there are? and similar for all the frametypes? |
| 14:31.03 | jnwhiteh | the functions are the easy part |
| 14:31.15 | jnwhiteh | the widget methods/scripts/events/cvars are the more difficult bit |
| 14:31.19 | jnwhiteh | but even that's fairly easy |
| 14:31.30 | Grum | cvars prolly the worst? |
| 14:31.34 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 14:31.37 | alestane | I'm a little confused by the comment about mana costs of lower ranks of spells being reduced. Weren't they brought into line with later ranks precisely to remove incentive to downrank? |
| 14:31.38 | jnwhiteh | cvars are no more difficult than evenets |
| 14:31.44 | jnwhiteh | Grum: That's where these come from: http://apidiff.pastey.net/129383 |
| 14:32.15 | jnwhiteh | it sucks being EU now because I have to wait until tomorrow to confirm everything for the latest build |
| 14:32.19 | jnwhiteh | unles |
| 14:32.23 | jnwhiteh | anyone know what the latest build num is |
| 14:32.29 | jnwhiteh | and does it differ from latest ptr? |
| 14:32.34 | jnwhiteh | if not, I can do it all tonight |
| 14:33.45 | Audible | did 3.3 get launched tonight? |
| 14:33.48 | Audible | err |
| 14:33.50 | Grum | yes |
| 14:33.51 | jnwhiteh | today, but yes. |
| 14:33.51 | Audible | today in us ? |
| 14:33.56 | Mikk | ~wowalert |
| 14:33.57 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 14:34.01 | Grum | are they still patching? :D |
| 14:34.16 | Mikk | heh US alert doesn't explain the downtime how silly |
| 14:34.32 | Mikk | EU alert: "This Wednesday there will be an extended maintenance to apply patch 3.3.0 Please note that all European realms will be offline from 03:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET)." |
| 14:34.35 | Grum | quite fun |
| 14:34.42 | Grum | US is 10 hours, EU 8 O.o |
| 14:34.44 | olafski | hm some of those "undocumented changes" are actually in the patch notes |
| 14:34.47 | jnwhiteh | Grum: do you have the patch? |
| 14:34.50 | Grum | olafski: yeah i noticed |
| 14:34.54 | Grum | jnwhiteh: no, eu as well |
| 14:34.59 | jnwhiteh | who here is US? |
| 14:34.59 | alestane | jnwhiteh: 10958. |
| 14:35.02 | olafski | Mobs between level 1 and 5 that were hostile, are neutral now. <-- nice |
| 14:35.04 | Grum | but there is a 24mb last part |
| 14:35.09 | jnwhiteh | alestane: thanks, know what the latest PTR is? |
| 14:35.20 | alestane | I loaded it last night, give me a second. |
| 14:35.23 | Grum | Stanzilla: what is the latest ptr? |
| 14:35.29 | olafski | The loading screens for major zones(Kalimdor, Outland, etc.) have been updated to support widescreen resolutions. <--woooot! |
| 14:35.39 | Grum | about time ;D |
| 14:35.52 | olafski | yeah |
| 14:35.57 | olafski | I thought I noticed that on the ptr earlier :) |
| 14:35.59 | alestane | jnwhiteh: Same build # |
| 14:36.17 | Grum | is that 100% guaranteed then? :D |
| 14:36.23 | Grum | (to be the same release?) |
| 14:36.35 | Stanzilla | 958 |
| 14:36.35 | olafski | The wolves near Northshire Abbey have been hit by a disease. <-- why? oO |
| 14:36.42 | Stanzilla | is the latest ptr |
| 14:36.56 | Grum | they ate swines olafski |
| 14:37.01 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. That changes how one levels in that area a great deal then. |
| 14:37.21 | Audible | How does this new Quest Tracking work ? |
| 14:37.26 | jnwhiteh | alestane: fantastic |
| 14:37.27 | Grum | awesome |
| 14:37.30 | jnwhiteh | I can get the api_master updated tonight |
| 14:37.39 | jnwhiteh | Audible: track a quest, click on the circle next to the quest |
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| 14:37.42 | jnwhiteh | and look at your map |
| 14:37.42 | olafski | grum: :D!! |
| 14:37.47 | jnwhiteh | alternatively, open your map. |
| 14:38.09 | Grum | i think you need to turn it on in the options first right? at least i think on PTR it wasnt enable by default |
| 14:38.13 | alestane | Well, the notes also mention that you collect diseased wolf pelts for one of the quests. So either the disease is just an explanation for the change to the item, or they wanted to make the wolves more interesting to the early leveling process. |
| 14:38.18 | olafski | oh nice adding flightpaths to WPL |
| 14:38.22 | jnwhiteh | Grum: I don't recall having to enable it |
| 14:38.29 | alestane | It's enabled by default for newly created characters. |
| 14:38.37 | Grum | ah i copied my toon |
| 14:38.37 | Audible | jnwhiteh : i'm in EU, so cant see :) |
| 14:38.38 | alestane | I don't think it's on for existing characters. |
| 14:38.38 | Audible | okey |
| 14:38.48 | Grum | i didn't clone one from their pool |
| 14:39.06 | Grum | does anyone know where the t10.277 tokens drop from? |
| 14:39.16 | olafski | for some of these undocumented changes I really wonder why they aren't in the real patch notes |
| 14:39.28 | Grum | is that only hardmode 25m arthas? |
| 14:40.09 | olafski | [Edge of Ruin] now correctly supports glow effects from enchants. <-- wish they'd make a change that says "edge of ruin no longer looks like an ilvl 45 grey item" |
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| 14:40.20 | olafski | still uses Edge of Ruin :( |
| 14:40.39 | Grum | everyone will get a legendary ! |
| 14:40.51 | Grum | afaik there are no hardmodes needed for it |
| 14:40.51 | olafski | yes please |
| 14:40.55 | olafski | indeed |
| 14:41.01 | Grum | and just lots and lots of kills+25 saronite |
| 14:41.01 | olafski | but the shadowfrost shards are the limiting factor afaik |
| 14:41.06 | foxlit | <oprah>You get a legendary! You get a legendary</oprah> |
| 14:41.10 | olafski | foxlit: :D |
| 14:41.20 | Grum | aw you forget; look under your chairs! |
| 14:41.37 | olafski | YOU get a car! it's under your chair! |
| 14:42.10 | Grum | AMAGAWD A SMART |
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| 15:11.35 | jnwhiteh | so I am an irssi idiot. |
| 15:11.52 | jnwhiteh | I have two windows, but one is on top and I want it to be swapped with the window on the bottom |
| 15:11.57 | jnwhiteh | and I can't figure out how to do this =/ |
| 15:13.01 | krka | i've never used it in that layout O_o |
| 15:13.04 | krka | didnt know it was possible |
| 15:13.17 | cog|work | ditto |
| 15:14.57 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/2b4801c724eb7ada714bf6a093749e1f.png for example. |
| 15:15.45 | krka | why would you want to do that? O_o |
| 15:16.03 | jnwhiteh | because it makes it much nicer to chat that way |
| 15:16.21 | Bruners | never liked split windows |
| 15:16.28 | jnwhiteh | I'm reproducing this, for irssi: http://limechat.net/mac/images/springnight3col.png |
| 15:16.44 | jnwhiteh | the non-focus pane is the best part of the app =) |
| 15:16.53 | haste | jnwhiteh: use weechat instead! |
| 15:17.20 | krka | i got put off by weechats retarded usage of lua :/ |
| 15:17.27 | krka | maybe it's gotten better though |
| 15:17.41 | jnwhiteh | haste: if you can help me figure out how to do what I want, I will, immediately =) |
| 15:17.42 | haste | krka: weechat's lua/python/ruby binding is just a wrapper around the C API |
| 15:19.01 | haste | jnwhiteh: nah, not now :p |
| 15:19.13 | haste | I was very impressed with weechat 0.3 tho' |
| 15:19.18 | haste | first time anything has made me switch from irssi |
| 15:19.39 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 15:19.47 | Grum | jnwhiteh: should be something like activate the top window and then: /window move down |
| 15:19.49 | jnwhiteh | if i can write a simple script for my activity window, and set up windows, i'll definitely do that |
| 15:19.54 | krka | haste: yeah but it's a crappy binding |
| 15:20.05 | krka | you dont bind closures to handlers, only names |
| 15:20.07 | haste | krka: ofc it is, they're directly calling C functions |
| 15:20.23 | Grum | jnwhiteh: limechat! the only sane chatclient on osx ! :D |
| 15:20.23 | haste | there's no added scripting sanity |
| 15:20.41 | jnwhiteh | Grum: =) |
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| 15:20.50 | Grum | OMG someone killed him |
| 15:23.07 | haste | nice! |
| 15:23.24 | haste | I've just been teleported to three different GYs in AV |
| 15:23.30 | haste | it's like... to sec left -> gy lost |
| 15:25.30 | Grum | they should fix that, just put a 'rez debuff' on you that rezzes you after it runs out .. in 15 seconds orso |
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| 15:26.42 | jnwhiteh | haste: doesn't look like I can (easily) connect to a server with usernamne/password in weechat |
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| 15:28.27 | haste | jnwhiteh: yes you can |
| 15:28.45 | haste | jnwhiteh: /set irc.server.freenode.password <pass> |
| 15:28.54 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 15:29.00 | jnwhiteh | why on earth isn't it a param to /server? |
| 15:29.19 | haste | god knows :P |
| 15:29.36 | haste | I guess it's because it's just missing |
| 15:29.49 | haste | poke mr flashy and he'll have it fixed within a day usualy |
| 15:29.53 | krka | i want to write my own irc client but it's way too much boiler plate :/ |
| 15:31.10 | alestane | gotta love the debugger telling you "Value temporarily unavailable to to optimizations." |
| 15:31.10 | olafski | krka: write an irc client in that engine of yours! |
| 15:31.12 | olafski | 3d irc wins |
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| 15:31.27 | krka | i suck at 3d |
| 15:31.49 | haste | 3D... irc :< |
| 15:32.14 | haste | it reminds me of the 3D browser |
| 15:32.23 | jnwhiteh | Hrm, this might take some getting used to |
| 15:32.25 | jnwhiteh | I don't care about the user list, and the auto-adjusting margin is just disturbing. |
| 15:32.51 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.00 | jnwhiteh | much nicer =) |
| 15:33.14 | jnwhiteh | now the margin and a few other things, and it'll be as usable as irssi :P |
| 15:33.23 | haste | I _really_ like the nick-margin myself :p |
| 15:33.34 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 15:33.37 | olafski | what's a nick margin :o |
| 15:33.38 | jnwhiteh | i don't care who is in the channel =) |
| 15:33.43 | jnwhiteh | oh you mean the left |
| 15:33.43 | haste | everything on a straight line |
| 15:33.46 | jnwhiteh | h8. |
| 15:33.48 | olafski | http://130.89.168.156/temp/irssi.png :D |
| 15:33.54 | haste | I don't care about the nicklist jnwhiteh |
| 15:34.05 | jnwhiteh | yeah i misread you |
| 15:34.25 | haste | I had the feature in irrsi as well, but it was hard-coded into the theme :V |
| 15:34.41 | haste | s/rs/ss/ |
| 15:34.48 | jnwhiteh | I like the timestamps only being on the first line of a block, I think =) |
| 15:35.18 | krka | me too |
| 15:35.29 | krka | i also set up my irssi input line to directly line up with my own outputs |
| 15:35.57 | krka | makes it easier to line up text like so |
| 15:36.05 | krka | though that was a bad example |
| 15:36.28 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:37.09 | krka | i also wrote my own tab completion plugin since i hate the default one |
| 15:37.23 | krka | here's mine: http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6748/screenshotirssi.png |
| 15:37.52 | olafski | I like my right-aligned nicknames |
| 15:38.03 | olafski | the input line line-up would be nice to have though |
| 15:39.20 | krka | i really wanted my timestamp to the left of my nick, but i couldn't pull it off |
| 15:40.26 | krka | here is my prompt prompt = " %K<%W$P$N%K>%N "; |
| 15:41.53 | olafski | I have no idea where I set all of this |
| 15:41.59 | olafski | I probably hacked it the wrong way |
| 15:42.21 | krka | i have it in my theme file |
| 15:43.28 | olafski | prompt = "[$*] "; |
| 15:43.29 | olafski | ;) |
| 15:43.48 | krka | what does that do? |
| 15:43.56 | olafski | what is shown on my screenshot I guess |
| 15:43.58 | krka | irssi has such stupid setup :/ |
| 15:44.01 | olafski | unless I changed it somewhere else :$ |
| 15:44.19 | krka | i have prompt set in both my config and theme |
| 15:44.23 | krka | but i think my theme overrides |
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| 15:45.00 | krka | what's that gray line near the bottom of the chat olafski? |
| 15:49.20 | olafski | some kind of activity indicator |
| 15:49.46 | olafski | if I look at a channel, then go to another channel, people say stuff and I get back, the line is where the chat "was" when I last looked at the channel |
| 15:50.03 | Lopeppeppy | I have that for my client as well. |
| 15:50.18 | krka | i see |
| 15:50.27 | olafski | mirc has it too |
| 15:50.30 | olafski | I dunno how I enabled it though |
| 15:50.42 | durcyn | people who use mirc need to have their oxygen permanently removed. |
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| 15:50.56 | olafski | ah, it's trackbar.pl |
| 15:50.59 | Kraps | how long until the last part of ICC is released? |
| 15:51.08 | olafski | why the harsh words durcyn? it's a matter of preference :P |
| 15:51.09 | zenzelezz | last part? |
| 15:51.14 | olafski | last wing |
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| 15:51.28 | zenzelezz | a while |
| 15:51.30 | durcyn | olafski: no, some things objectively suck. |
| 15:51.39 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "My dick has fish eyes" |
| 15:51.41 | olafski | durcyn: and they affect you? |
| 15:51.49 | olafski | as a non user |
| 15:51.57 | durcyn | olafski: no, they offend me as a rational sane person |
| 15:52.02 | durcyn | i thought we'd been over this. |
| 15:52.10 | olafski | people drive bad cars too |
| 15:52.12 | olafski | and watch bad movies |
| 15:52.21 | olafski | I couldn't really care less about either (as long as they stick to the right lanes) |
| 15:52.27 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: ever since you put that quote in the topic, I feel like I'm being watched |
| 15:52.27 | durcyn | they'll die in the second round of purification, obviously |
| 15:52.33 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: lol |
| 15:53.05 | jnwhiteh | dynmon |
| 15:53.10 | jnwhiteh | Well I've got a channel monitor |
| 15:53.15 | jnwhiteh | and its split the way I want it (ish) |
| 15:53.32 | jnwhiteh | I just don't know how to make it return to this every time I load it =) |
| 15:53.53 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/d282e08b4550df5ed3a9ac278e42c5a1.png |
| 15:54.37 | Grum | sexy, but that is not irssi or? |
| 15:55.07 | jnwhiteh | nope, it's weechat |
| 15:55.09 | jnwhiteh | as haste suggested |
| 15:55.14 | jnwhiteh | there's a plugin that does what I want already |
| 15:55.59 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, plugins. |
| 15:56.36 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "I'll take death! No no, sorry, I meant patch! Patch please!" |
| 15:56.44 | Cairenn | there zenzelezz, just for you |
| 15:56.47 | Cairenn | changed it |
| 15:56.54 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 15:57.07 | durcyn | i didn't even know Cairenn had a dick. |
| 15:57.13 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:57.16 | Cairenn | I don't |
| 15:57.23 | zenzelezz | she has a whole channel full of dicks |
| 15:57.27 | zenzelezz | at times at least |
| 15:57.29 | Cairenn | well, there's that |
| 15:58.02 | Bruners | Cairenn: so you are on the market? |
| 15:58.08 | Cairenn | rofl |
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| 15:59.06 | Lopeppeppy | Bruners, they don't keep well unless you brine them. |
| 15:59.15 | Lopeppeppy | And then they are called "pickles". |
| 15:59.22 | Cairenn | hahaha |
| 15:59.43 | Cairenn | ah Peppy, I love you so |
| 15:59.44 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:59.55 | Lopeppeppy | grins innocently. |
| 16:00.12 | Bruners | jnwhiteh: the thing you got on the bottom, is it what was last said in any channel ? |
| 16:00.27 | ckknight | do the authors of EPGP or EQDKP hang out on IRC? |
| 16:00.33 | Bruners | ckknight: haste |
| 16:00.36 | Cairenn | nope |
| 16:00.37 | jnwhiteh | Bruners: its anything that's said in any channel other than the one that's my focus window. |
| 16:00.52 | Bruners | jnwhiteh: i take it your not on that many channels then :P |
| 16:00.53 | jnwhiteh | i have hilights to keep track of things I shoudl be watching |
| 16:00.57 | jnwhiteh | i'm on 22 |
| 16:01.02 | ckknight | Bruners: oh, what did haste do? |
| 16:01.04 | jnwhiteh | I don't need to see everything |
| 16:01.15 | jnwhiteh | but I like seeing the conversations that are going on around on my channels. |
| 16:01.18 | Lopeppeppy | 22 channels... yeah, I have 4! |
| 16:01.24 | Bruners | ckknight: he is writing on it at least, not sure what he actually has done |
| 16:01.27 | Bruners | haste: ! |
| 16:01.29 | jnwhiteh | Lopeppeppy: lol =) |
| 16:01.56 | krka | 22 channels? whtf |
| 16:02.13 | olafski | nice feature jnwhiteh |
| 16:02.16 | haste | ckknight: currently moving stuff into sanity |
| 16:02.29 | Cairenn | I've cut back on the number I'm (consistently) in - down to only 15 atm |
| 16:02.35 | alestane | I stick to 3. |
| 16:02.45 | alestane | And venture into others as I have questions. |
| 16:02.45 | ckknight | haste: is Sanity another addon? |
| 16:02.53 | alestane | cuddles the Peppy. |
| 16:03.07 | cog|work | is eating a muffin |
| 16:03.08 | Bruners | ckknight: i guess he is cleaning up the code :P |
| 16:03.13 | ckknight | ah. |
| 16:03.17 | ckknight | makes sense |
| 16:03.22 | jnwhiteh | I've also cut down recently |
| 16:03.31 | jnwhiteh | because I reached the limit and no longer had a choice =/ |
| 16:03.33 | ckknight | haste: then which addon are you futzing with? |
| 16:03.34 | Lopeppeppy | Sanity is an option on this model, but I didn't pay for it, it was too expensive for how little use I make of it. |
| 16:03.45 | Bruners | jnwhiteh: limit? |
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| 16:04.21 | jnwhiteh | Bruners: there's a limit of how many channels you can be in, either by IRC or by my proxy software. |
| 16:04.28 | haste | ckknight: no, I'm slowly fixing stuff in EPGP so it's sane :P |
| 16:04.33 | ckknight | ah, okay |
| 16:04.53 | Bruners | jnwhiteh: never heard of a limit but can be server specific i guess |
| 16:05.04 | jnwhiteh | okay, logging my proxy and my client |
| 16:05.05 | jnwhiteh | brb |
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| 16:07.13 | Legorol | Happy patch day! Should be exciting, 3.3 looks promising |
| 16:07.19 | Legorol | I'm lot more excited about it than 3.2 |
| 16:07.59 | Lopeppeppy | I'm excited to go see if I can download it! |
| 16:09.06 | zenzelezz | in the current (3.2) LFG system, when you're not the group leader... why do you get "stuck" in the LFG channel after joining a group? |
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| 16:10.19 | durcyn | zenzelezz: because the leader still has the lfg tool set to look for additional members, this can be done even when the party is full |
| 16:10.22 | alestane | zenzelezz: It seems like the leader can clear the group from the channel, but it's peculiar. Of course, it is all likely to change after today, probably moot. |
| 16:10.57 | zenzelezz | alestane: I just wanted to get out of the channel, kept getting invites to other groups :-p Seems the leader cleared us from the tool now |
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| 16:16.46 | jnwhiteh | I have to say that I'm paranoid now.. I keep thinking that my client is broken, because people are talking less in all my channels atm =) |
| 16:17.11 | jnwhiteh | haste: 30 minutes from install to 'saved and working properly on-load', not too shabby, thanks! |
| 16:17.14 | nevcairiel | lets just keep quite now! |
| 16:17.19 | alestane | Boogahboogah! |
| 16:17.36 | haste | jnwhiteh: yeh, I was amazed over how sane the defaults on weechat are, once you get over the server settings pitfall |
| 16:17.47 | olafski | annoying thing, what you just described zenzelezz |
| 16:17.54 | olafski | I keep having to ask group leaders to remove us from the chat ;p |
| 16:18.09 | olafski | though generally I'm leader because the tank must be the leader (apparently) |
| 16:18.37 | Lopeppeppy | Many tanks prefer it, for marking and keeping the pace. |
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| 16:19.06 | olafski | hm I generally don't mark |
| 16:19.17 | olafski | it makes it easier to be a braindead healer though, I like that |
| 16:19.28 | olafski | can just click the first party member because I know that will be the tank ;) |
| 16:22.40 | alestane | I find it odd that when I join a pickup group as a tank, I'll often get promoted to leader as soon as a I join, with no consultation. |
| 16:22.44 | olafski | I should really dps more often.. I'm GM of a guild that used to raid, and none of my guildies actually knew that my main spec is dps |
| 16:22.58 | jnwhiteh | alestane: you need to be able to mark, if nothing else =0 |
| 16:23.07 | olafski | alestane: well, tanks generally join last don't they ;) |
| 16:23.32 | Grum | marking? |
| 16:23.36 | alestane | jnwhiteh: What part of "assist the tank" is that hard to understand? |
| 16:23.37 | Legorol | i dislike that system too, alestane |
| 16:23.45 | Grum | if people just pick the target the tank targets, win! |
| 16:23.48 | jnwhiteh | alestane: that doesn't apply to every single fight |
| 16:23.51 | Legorol | more to the point, it's not necessarily the tank's job to mark |
| 16:24.02 | Grum | assisting is quite annoying btw |
| 16:24.04 | Legorol | it's a strategic decision, not a tanking job |
| 16:24.04 | jnwhiteh | not with all tanks, especially those that target swap |
| 16:24.07 | olafski | I usually just pick a random target as dps.. if I attack the marked target I won't have time to apply my 2 diseases and hit pestilence before the target is dead |
| 16:24.13 | Grum | there is no 'assist tank' button orso |
| 16:24.22 | Grum | you can make a macro ofc .. but meh |
| 16:24.25 | cog|work | i'm with you Legorol |
| 16:24.28 | olafski | enable party targets |
| 16:24.35 | alestane | The biggest reason I was losign aggro yesterday was the warrior constantly choosing to attack the mob I didn't attack. |
| 16:24.37 | jnwhiteh | as a healer, I personally don't give a shit =) |
| 16:24.38 | Grum | and then? |
| 16:24.44 | Grum | click whenever he changes? |
| 16:24.45 | jnwhiteh | as long as everyone else does their job |
| 16:24.45 | Legorol | there are several factors though that made it develop such that the tanks are marking |
| 16:24.55 | Legorol | factor 1: tanks know the pulls better than other people, often |
| 16:25.10 | Legorol | factor 2: when you are chainpulling, it speeds things up if the tank is marking, as there is no downtime |
| 16:25.14 | Grum | alestane: let the warrior die and laugh at him |
| 16:25.22 | Legorol | the tank is the first to go in, so if he doesn't have to wait for the marker, it makes it quicker |
| 16:25.23 | Grum | marking means downtime :D |
| 16:25.28 | olafski | mark while running |
| 16:25.37 | Legorol | however, fundamentally, marking and tanking are in principle two different jobs |
| 16:25.37 | Grum | or just pull the next group while the last one is up |
| 16:25.47 | alestane | Grum: He's usually tough enough to survive the one mob he pulls, so I don't think he cares. |
| 16:25.49 | Legorol | Grum: that's possible in many instances at many gear levels, but not all |
| 16:26.00 | Grum | alestane: then you should also not care hehe |
| 16:26.18 | Legorol | in many cases, you don't even need marks and things are fine |
| 16:26.21 | olafski | I attack all mobs while tanking.. since generally heroics are aoe anyway I don't really see the point in marking |
| 16:26.26 | Legorol | but that doesn't mean that when there are marks, it's up to the tank |
| 16:26.33 | Grum | when i do heroics on my dk-alt and some mains go along .. if they pull aggro, they can keep it |
| 16:26.36 | olafski | I only mark the priests in totc5, but dunno why anyway :P |
| 16:26.37 | Legorol | and i completely agree with alestane that being given leader without consultation is frustrating |
| 16:26.42 | Legorol | thanks god in 3.3 that's not necessary anymore |
| 16:26.44 | Grum | the only person excused is the healer :) |
| 16:26.52 | AckisWork | attacks olafski |
| 16:26.57 | olafski | grum: he should've healed the marked target! |
| 16:27.05 | Grum | YUP! |
| 16:27.09 | Grum | therefor you should always mark yourself |
| 16:27.10 | Legorol | having said this, you can't refine the thinking of an entire realm, so i grudgingly put up with it |
| 16:27.13 | alestane | And groups seem to regard Avenger's Shield as de rigeur for pally tanks. I'm not saying that it's not a powerful tool for pulling, but I'm sort of sick of groups telling me I need it to be a competent tank. |
| 16:27.16 | Legorol | usually, if i'm given leader, i don't bother marking at all |
| 16:27.38 | olafski | avenger's shield looks awesome |
| 16:27.39 | Grum | alestane: lol, run in and do consecration? :D |
| 16:27.40 | olafski | that's why I use it |
| 16:27.41 | Legorol | alestane: you kind of needed to be a competent tank in a pug full of retarded dps ^^ |
| 16:27.50 | Legorol | *need it |
| 16:28.04 | Legorol | what i'm trying to say is, whilst technically you don't need it, practically idiots make it necessary |
| 16:28.09 | olafski | avenger's shield is also the only fun thing about paladin tanking for me |
| 16:28.12 | Grum | Legorol: trust me, let em die 1-2 times and they'll settle down :P |
| 16:28.19 | Legorol | Grum: you'd hope so |
| 16:28.24 | alestane | I usually pull with Hand of Reckoning and Exorcism, and lay down a consecrate as they arrive. |
| 16:28.26 | Legorol | not the case i usually find |
| 16:28.26 | Grum | if not they die more often |
| 16:28.28 | olafski | if you let them die 1-2 times they will vote you out in 3.3 |
| 16:28.35 | Legorol | if dps dies, after a while they start moaning that the tank sucks at holding aggro |
| 16:28.35 | Grum | just keep the healer busy by chain pulling ;) |
| 16:28.43 | olafski | indeed legorol :) |
| 16:28.44 | jnwhiteh | I -LOVE- being busy |
| 16:28.54 | jnwhiteh | that's why I like healing mikma when he tanks |
| 16:28.56 | jnwhiteh | he's no bullshit |
| 16:28.57 | olafski | I don't mind dps pulling aggro.. gives me something to do |
| 16:29.00 | alestane | Mostly this works, unless the DPS decide to unload on a secondary target as soon as they run in. |
| 16:29.01 | jnwhiteh | and we'll let everyone else die |
| 16:29.07 | jnwhiteh | because we know we can duo most any pull =) |
| 16:29.09 | Legorol | lol jnwhiteh |
| 16:29.13 | Legorol | way to go! |
| 16:29.17 | Grum | alestane: let it hit the dps 1-2 times and then taunt it |
| 16:29.23 | Legorol | unfortunately yes, WoW pugging is ruined by idiots |
| 16:29.28 | Grum | or just let it kill him :P |
| 16:29.29 | jnwhiteh | if they are stupid.. otherwise i'll heal em =) |
| 16:29.30 | alestane | Actually, I have the most fun when a pull is going to shit. |
| 16:29.34 | Legorol | you can't play it the way that's sensible, you have to play it the impatient/arrogant way that pugs require it |
| 16:29.42 | Grum | pugging usually is no problem, the noobs dont do dps |
| 16:29.46 | Legorol | I had a lot of fun in toc 5 hc today: |
| 16:29.52 | Legorol | everyone except me died at least 4 times |
| 16:29.54 | Grum | the people who can pull aggro .. well .. they know how it feels to be hit on the head :D |
| 16:29.59 | Legorol | some of those were in the middle of confessor |
| 16:30.06 | Legorol | they all died, i patiently waited for them to run in and kept myself up |
| 16:30.28 | jnwhiteh | okay, off for a coffee with sioraiocht, then to my meeting |
| 16:30.29 | jnwhiteh | ttyl. |
| 16:30.31 | mikma | jnwhiteh: hehe ^^ |
| 16:30.48 | alestane | Legorol: I tanked my second heroic last week, UP. |
| 16:30.57 | sioraiocht | ooh yay he's coming! |
| 16:30.59 | alestane | Had done it before but not as a tank. |
| 16:31.11 | Grum | mmm UP which one is that again? :D |
| 16:31.13 | alestane | Got to Skaldi without any hitches. |
| 16:31.20 | Grum | i cant remember what is UP or UK :( |
| 16:31.37 | Grum | skadi is the one which drops the mount right? (with harpoons?) |
| 16:31.39 | alestane | When we brought him down, I discovered that I was out of mana from the trash pulls. |
| 16:32.05 | alestane | And the healer (priest) and the DPS warrior died before I could get and keep aggro. |
| 16:32.11 | Lopeppeppy | Redneck christmas decorations. http://failblog.org/2009/12/08/christmas-lights-fail/ |
| 16:32.46 | Kraps | if i tank, i usually mark only the firs 2 targets |
| 16:33.12 | alestane | The shammy started healing me, and we dropped him...I was about at 5% when we did, ardent defender had gone off and I was trying to get him back off the rogue after DSing through a whirlwind, but we got him. |
| 16:33.13 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: what is that thing supposed to be? |
| 16:33.33 | Kraps | tanking is about coltrol, marking gives me another element of control |
| 16:33.35 | Grum | alestane: use a pot! ;D |
| 16:33.36 | alestane | It's a slughtered lawn reindeer. |
| 16:33.44 | alestane | Grum: I think I did. |
| 16:33.53 | alestane | I also used LoH on myself. |
| 16:33.57 | Grum | but that trash before the boss is killing |
| 16:33.59 | Kraps | s/col/con |
| 16:34.06 | Kraps | s/col/con/ |
| 16:34.14 | cog|work | giggles at Kraps |
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| 16:34.23 | Grum | as DK you try to 2 pull it and getting 2x DnD off is horrible with runecooldowns |
| 16:34.24 | cog|work | huggles Seerah |
| 16:34.24 | Kraps | ~fail Kraps |
| 16:34.25 | purl | Kraps, you Fail! |
| 16:34.33 | Seerah | huggles cog|work |
| 16:35.17 | cog|work | stupid tuesdays... what am I supposed to do all morning at work??!! |
| 16:35.30 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep. |
| 16:35.35 | Seerah | I am at home, but have tons to do at the computer today :p |
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| 16:37.25 | Kraps | oh and i'm a warrior, the slowest AE threat-building tank in the game |
| 16:37.37 | Kraps | so marking help with that too |
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| 16:40.13 | DWSR | so, patch? |
| 16:40.23 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: got no less than 10 hours of sleeps last night =) |
| 16:42.00 | Cairenn | yes patch |
| 16:42.10 | cog|work | cabbage |
| 16:43.33 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, sleeep! |
| 16:43.34 | Lopeppeppy | What is? |
| 16:43.58 | Cairenn | sleep? |
| 16:44.07 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: nub... sleep is a blocking system call |
| 16:44.32 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. |
| 16:44.40 | Lopeppeppy | I think they left that out of my software. |
| 16:46.21 | Kraps | patch wins |
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| 16:49.25 | DWSR | How much was up for background download? |
| 16:50.16 | zenzelezz | the two files in my Updates folder add up to 788 MB (EU) |
| 16:50.31 | DWSR | So the US one will be smaller (no l8n data) |
| 16:50.38 | DWSR | l10n* |
| 16:50.45 | zenzelezz | someone said 670ish earlier I think |
| 16:51.07 | DWSR | 680mb total patch, 656mb was available for background |
| 16:51.11 | DWSR | That's pretty good, actually. |
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| 16:52.34 | DWSR | uses a memstick to transfer it around |
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| 16:54.19 | Adys | Available today in beta: Google Chrome for Linux! InboxX |
| 16:54.37 | DWSR | available today in release: Arthas. |
| 16:54.49 | DWSR | Actually, I lied, I suppose. |
| 16:55.08 | DWSR | available today in release: Arthas's minions |
| 16:55.28 | DWSR | watches Arthas' minion pwn Chrome for Linux. |
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| 16:56.04 | DWSR | wee netsplit |
| 16:56.04 | eidolarr | is that chrome thing for serious? |
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| 16:56.14 | Adys | http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/w00t.html |
| 16:56.46 | eidolarr | i am not sure i can go back to life without extensions though |
| 16:56.51 | eidolarr | particularly adblock |
| 16:57.22 | durcyn | so block ads in squid instead. |
| 16:57.22 | DWSR | eidolarr: Chrome has extensions though |
| 16:57.40 | eidolarr | adblock? |
| 16:57.55 | DWSR | adblock's available for chrome |
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| 16:58.07 | eidolarr | I remember trying it when it was new and adblock was conspicuously absent so I gave up |
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| 16:58.13 | nevcairiel | you cant compare chrome and firefox extensions |
| 16:58.22 | nevcairiel | there arent many people working on chrome extensions yet |
| 16:59.00 | eidolarr | as an end user i certainly can :P |
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| 16:59.36 | DWSR | and patched |
| 16:59.54 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/prisoner-8-years-drugs-convinces-guards-pot-plants-tomatoes/ |
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| 17:08.23 | Cairenn | alestane: yeah, haven't slept yet, so kinda messed up a bit |
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| 17:09.15 | Shadowed | Don't worry Cairenn, the boycott of WoWI will keep it from dying this patch |
| 17:09.43 | nevcairiel | we boykott WoWI? you should've told me earlier, i uploaded already! |
| 17:10.51 | Shadowed | no the idiots who think the GS breaker should be aproved |
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| 17:14.15 | Shirik | boycott of WoWI? |
| 17:14.29 | Lopeppeppy | No wai! |
| 17:14.47 | cog|work | boycotts Shirik |
| 17:14.52 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21626554761&sid=1 |
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| 17:16.19 | Lopeppeppy | What a sweet little thread! |
| 17:16.25 | Shirik | oh god |
| 17:16.29 | nevcairiel | oh hey curse too |
| 17:16.32 | Shirik | how dare I block that addon |
| 17:16.36 | Shirik | omg |
| 17:16.38 | Lopeppeppy | GearScoreBreaker is... wow, big controversy! |
| 17:16.47 | nevcairiel | what are they going to use, wowui and their trojans? :P |
| 17:16.47 | AbsolutRayne | 'Close, but it is actually a female gnome warrior that is the most incredible thing possible. Have you seen their bladestorm? They twirl on one foot, like a tiny ballerina.' |
| 17:16.47 | AbsolutRayne | CONFIRM / DENY? |
| 17:16.53 | Lopeppeppy | That will teach me not to read the boards last night, stupid Peppy thought she could go to dance class! |
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| 17:19.26 | Shirik | I wonder |
| 17:19.30 | Shirik | what license is GearScore under? |
| 17:19.44 | Lopeppeppy | I dunno, go peek! |
| 17:20.03 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, something really open |
| 17:20.11 | Shirik | curse claims "All rights reserved" |
| 17:20.21 | ZorbaBeta | oh, really? maybe they changed it |
| 17:20.35 | nevcairiel | Whats so bad about GSBreaker anyway? I've always wanted to write a mod that destroys damage meters so people don't look at them, rather look at the 3d world :P |
| 17:20.41 | ZorbaBeta | I think it was public domain or something last time I looked. Guess I shoulda grabbed a copy then. |
| 17:21.02 | Legorol|alt | interesting point there, is it really unethical to make an anti-GearScore addon? |
| 17:21.07 | Shadowed | It was Public Domain Shirik |
| 17:21.17 | Shadowed | Up until a few days/a week ago when he switched it to ARR |
| 17:21.28 | AbsolutRayne | Go Go Gadget Thread Derail! |
| 17:21.36 | Shirik | nevcairiel: The fact that it's the exact same thing with 3 lines changed? |
| 17:21.36 | ZorbaBeta | wonder if there's any way to figure out when he did that and grab a copy of the public domain version |
| 17:21.38 | zenzelezz | how does Gearscore work, does it simply inspect a player, or does it communicate with the addon on another person's machine? |
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| 17:21.48 | nevcairiel | Shirik: if its public domain, who is goign to stop you? |
| 17:21.53 | Shirik | Well that's why I asked |
| 17:21.54 | Shadowed | So there wouldn't actually be license violations |
| 17:22.01 | ZorbaBeta | zenz, it inspects a player and spams the entire world in player addon channels with badly-calculated and potentially inaccurate data |
| 17:22.07 | Cairenn | it is if it the way it "breaks" GearScore is by causing people that use GearScore to be sent into infinite loops within the code, etc |
| 17:22.08 | AbsolutRayne | ^ |
| 17:22.10 | Shirik | if it was GPL and it wasn't attributed, or if it wasn't open, then there's a problem :) |
| 17:22.17 | AbsolutRayne | Zorba beat me to it |
| 17:22.22 | Shadowed | It's really not that hard to break GearScore honestly |
| 17:22.31 | ZorbaBeta | I actually dug into the GS scoring algorithm a while back |
| 17:22.34 | ZorbaBeta | it is basically garbage |
| 17:22.48 | nevcairiel | addons like that always are, tbh |
| 17:22.56 | ZorbaBeta | I could write something better while drunk. |
| 17:22.56 | Shadowed | I did a quick one that could do anything from spam users with "new versions available" to cause it to error due to the comm code being bad, or just auto corrupting data |
| 17:22.57 | ZorbaBeta | (and I've considered it, usually while drunk) |
| 17:22.57 | Shadowed | It's really really really really really badly coded |
| 17:23.05 | Shadowed | and really really really easy to break |
| 17:23.14 | nevcairiel | most wow devs don't do error checking on their com code |
| 17:23.25 | Shadowed | And they're terrible for that :p |
| 17:23.25 | nevcairiel | to bad you can't buffer overflow and execute code or something, lol :P |
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| 17:23.39 | ZorbaBeta | honestly it wouldn't surprise me if QH is breakable right now |
| 17:23.49 | Lopeppeppy | They're all *breakable* |
| 17:23.58 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 17:24.04 | nevcairiel | just check your incoming data and bail out |
| 17:24.05 | nevcairiel | easy enough |
| 17:24.15 | Shadowed | I think Lopeppeppy means you can ultimately fake data badly enough if you really want :p |
| 17:24.16 | ZorbaBeta | eh, not necessarily. that's like saying "all webservers are breakable" |
| 17:24.30 | Shadowed | which could consider breaking |
| 17:24.32 | Cairenn | break it if you want, but not by making the game unplayable for others |
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| 17:25.05 | ZorbaBeta | at some point I really need to rig up tcp over wow addon message |
| 17:25.09 | Shadowed | Not that it matters, GS author is a god awful programmer so the fact that it's easy to break isn't surprising |
| 17:25.41 | ZorbaBeta | I sort of wonder if I could wedge into the gearscore space by providing a UI mod that is not made of poop and gives objective data like "geared enough for X if they're good, Y if they're not" |
| 17:25.49 | ZorbaBeta | but honestly I would rather do many other things, so |
| 17:26.19 | Shadowed | 3.3 has mostly eliminated the need for GearScore type of mods for 5 mans, they're only really going to help for raids at this point |
| 17:26.25 | Shadowed | s/help/"help"/ |
| 17:26.35 | ZorbaBeta | shadowed, I disagree, in the basis that there was never need for GearScore type modds |
| 17:26.40 | ZorbaBeta | *mods |
| 17:26.42 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 17:26.43 | nevcairiel | there never was |
| 17:26.46 | Shadowed | need should have been in quotes too |
| 17:26.50 | ZorbaBeta | 3.3 doesn't make them any *less* useful |
| 17:26.51 | nevcairiel | people just liked the idea when it came up |
| 17:26.54 | Shadowed | Yes it does :p |
| 17:26.55 | nevcairiel | so they have a reason to deny you |
| 17:27.23 | Shadowed | 3.3 brings the LFD system that Blizzard heavily pushes, especially for random people bugging you have more reward from using the LFD system that does everything for you |
| 17:27.40 | Shadowed | pugging* |
| 17:27.44 | Shadowed | too early :< |
| 17:27.58 | ZorbaBeta | only once per day, though |
| 17:28.02 | ZorbaBeta | after that it's equivalent |
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| 17:28.29 | Seerah | I'm back! |
| 17:28.29 | Shadowed | Not really, you still get things like the free teleport and there are pretty much always going to be a few people going for the reward so even if people don't need it, they still benefit |
| 17:28.29 | ZorbaBeta | and you just know people are going to be sitting there saying "pfft I joined a group for heroic nexus and was grouped with this total scrub, he had a *blue trinket*, obviously I left immediately. the lfd system is for losers" |
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| 17:28.49 | zenzelezz | rejoices at Seerah's return |
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| 17:30.33 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Lunessa-dear. |
| 17:30.43 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy and Lunessa |
| 17:30.43 | Lopeppeppy | Tell me, do you intend to boycott the addon sites? |
| 17:30.43 | Lunessa | station, Lopeppeppy. |
| 17:31.13 | Lunessa | Who me? With all the love in my heart? I plan to grease up and share the love with AddOn sites. |
| 17:31.28 | Lopeppeppy | you are the best of all the skrewts. |
| 17:32.38 | Lunessa | :D |
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| 17:33.23 | Shirik | rofl, I love my students |
| 17:33.24 | Kaso | For someone who hasn't been reading how exactly does the gearscore breaker work? does gearscore blindly trust sync information imported over an addon channel or something? |
| 17:33.37 | Shirik | Answer to a question on the final exam: "Haha not tricking me this time" |
| 17:34.00 | ZorbaBeta | kaso, at the very least, yes. there may be other more complex stuff it does. |
| 17:35.22 | Shirik | Kaso: Like millions of other addons, yes |
| 17:35.49 | Shirik | but to be honest, how can you trust anything you receive? |
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| 17:36.14 | ZorbaBeta | *shrug* it's the same problem that exists on the internet in general |
| 17:36.17 | Shirik | yup |
| 17:36.25 | ZorbaBeta | the answer is, with a proper background in cryptography and security, there's a lot of stuff you can do |
| 17:36.33 | ZorbaBeta | but you have to know what you're doing, and most people don't. |
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| 17:36.52 | Shirik | there's no perfect solution |
| 17:36.54 | Shadowed | Uh, you don't need a background in anything for addon comms |
| 17:36.56 | Shadowed | it's simple |
| 17:37.05 | Shirik | The only solution I ever found was when I started trying to do distribution of patches through the addon channel |
| 17:37.09 | Shadowed | Error check your comm code to insanity |
| 17:37.14 | Shirik | And that was because I could sign the code |
| 17:37.16 | ZorbaBeta | shadowed, you do if you want any kind of trust setup |
| 17:37.18 | Shadowed | And don't worry about people who truly want to be malicious |
| 17:37.25 | *** part/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@studio.fuzemedia.co.uk) |
| 17:37.34 | Shadowed | It's useless because anything you come up with for addons will be broken if you want an automated system |
| 17:37.36 | Shirik | But you can't sign the traffic gearscore says |
| 17:37.41 | ZorbaBeta | shadowed, that's not true at all |
| 17:37.57 | ZorbaBeta | there's nothing about addons that makes them inherently more vulnerable than other software |
| 17:38.10 | Shirik | You can protect against crashes, et c., but you can't possibly say "Yes this comes from a trusted GearScore program" |
| 17:38.30 | Shadowed | The barrier for breaking them is quite a bit lower :p |
| 17:38.44 | Shadowed | GearScores issue is because it has literally no error checking, you can send it 16 entries separated by @ instead of 17 because it doesn't do even basic error checking |
| 17:38.44 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, no, but there's theoretical ways you can create trust networks and the like |
| 17:38.57 | Shirik | yes, but there's no perfect solution :) |
| 17:38.57 | Shirik | That's the method I'd go, really |
| 17:39.11 | Shirik | create a web of trust |
| 17:39.23 | Shirik | but that relies on one postulate: The percentage of users using the true GearScore is greater than those using the modified version |
| 17:39.23 | Lunessa | You know... People never cease to disappoint me. They always seem to find new ways to be douches to each other in WoW. |
| 17:39.31 | ZorbaBeta | there's no perfect solution, but there are good solutions. I mean, this is the same "problem" that you run into with distributed databases |
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| 17:39.41 | Shirik | Lunessa: You didn't see what happened to me last night :) |
| 17:39.42 | ZorbaBeta | (man, kademlia-over-wow. now that would be awesome) |
| 17:39.42 | Shirik | I'm sure it exceeds whatever you saw |
| 17:40.17 | Lunessa | Shirik: So, it was douchery in the extereme? |
| 17:40.52 | Shirik | you have no idea |
| 17:41.27 | Shadowed | I take it you want with assuming the majority of users who had the right patch it would be valid then? |
| 17:41.46 | Shadowed | Shirik that is |
| 17:41.51 | Shirik | ? |
| 17:42.01 | Shadowed | distributing patches |
| 17:42.14 | Shirik | no |
| 17:42.24 | Shirik | I distributed "incremental" patches which all had an ID |
| 17:42.29 | Shirik | and they were always run in order |
| 17:42.40 | Shirik | so if you didn't have a given patch then you need it |
| 17:42.43 | Shirik | pretty straightforward |
| 17:42.47 | Shirik | if anyone has it, it's needed |
| 17:43.14 | ZorbaBeta | trying to distribute QH database patches over that would be hilarious |
| 17:43.30 | Lunessa | God please, no. |
| 17:43.32 | ZorbaBeta | I bet Blizzard wouldn't mind me sending five megs of data from person to person, right |
| 17:43.33 | Lunessa | Just NO |
| 17:43.36 | ZorbaBeta | that wouldn't be a problem at all |
| 17:43.47 | Shirik | It was actually more of a nightmare than just that |
| 17:44.00 | Shirik | I ended up having to support two versions - the fully patched and the incrementally patched version |
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| 17:44.27 | Shadowed | Why exactly was incremental patching considered a good idea again? :p |
| 17:44.46 | Shirik | because I was sick of people saying to me "omg do I have the right version?!?! where to download?!!?" |
| 17:44.51 | Shirik | also because I changed the code literally mid-raid |
| 17:45.01 | Shirik | and didn't want people to have to download in the middle of a raid |
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| 17:49.59 | Lopeppeppy | I hated that. So much. |
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| 17:50.30 | Shirik | ? |
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| 17:51.46 | ZorbaBeta | you know what I wish Blizzard would do that they never, ever, ever will do? some system where the master looter can send an interface prototype to all the raidmembers, so he can control the looting UI and put things like DKP bidding/detailed needgreed directly into the raidmembers' interfaces |
| 17:52.52 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 17:53.27 | Fisker | OOOOOOOOOOBLIVION |
| 17:53.27 | Shirik | it would be nice, ZorbaBeta, but you're right it will never be done |
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| 17:53.48 | Fisker | i'd draw dicks Shirik |
| 17:53.48 | Lopeppeppy | NEVAR! |
| 17:53.52 | Lopeppeppy | And that's why. |
| 17:54.05 | Fisker | i actually told them that when they were planning it in classic |
| 17:54.13 | Shirik | I just gave someone a 2 on the final |
| 17:54.13 | Shirik | a 2 |
| 17:54.13 | Fisker | i even sent them a video of me drawing my own dick |
| 17:54.24 | Shadowed | What did they do Shirik |
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| 17:54.31 | Shadowed | did they draw a smily face and say "have mercy" |
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| 17:54.33 | Shirik | Everything except answer the questions correctly |
| 17:54.37 | Kraps | Shirik: sounds like my test |
| 17:55.04 | Shirik | for example |
| 17:55.31 | Shirik | "State what clipping is and how it occurs." --> "Clipping is tune into frequency" |
| 17:55.41 | Shadowed | wat |
| 17:56.03 | ZorbaBeta | http://bildr.no/view/542330 haha |
| 17:56.10 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder what achievement he's looking for exactly |
| 17:56.21 | Kraps | english not a first language? |
| 17:56.31 | Shirik | I don't know |
| 17:56.43 | Shirik | irrelevant really, the question isn't even close to right |
| 17:56.44 | Fisker | he didn't get anywhere ZorbaBeta |
| 17:56.48 | Shirik | s/question/answer/ |
| 17:57.17 | Shirik | ZorbaBeta: Have you completed ICC |
| 17:57.18 | Shirik | obviously |
| 17:57.23 | Shirik | if you haven't you shouldn't be there |
| 17:57.26 | Shirik | wtfnoob |
| 17:57.49 | ZorbaBeta | lfm icc, must have cataclysm gear |
| 17:57.55 | Shirik | ^ |
| 17:58.03 | ZorbaBeta | lol u cant finish icc without lv85 gear its impossible |
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| 18:00.06 | ZorbaBeta | I'm really tempted to do that in /2 once the servers are back up |
| 18:00.22 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:00.31 | Shirik | I will |
| 18:00.38 | ZorbaBeta | msg with arthas hardmode cheev and link deepholm gear |
| 18:00.43 | ZorbaBeta | NO SCRUBS |
| 18:01.41 | ZorbaBeta | I actually figured out how I'm going to start recruiting for groups if I need to. "lfm 3x dps for heroic VH, link an achievement you don't have" |
| 18:01.46 | Fisker | link full legendary |
| 18:01.56 | ZorbaBeta | if anyone follows the directions, they're in |
| 18:02.07 | Shirik | that's actually a good idea |
| 18:04.30 | ZorbaBeta | okay time to push a new version of questhelper |
| 18:04.34 | ZorbaBeta | bet all the ui mod sites are gonna love me for this one |
| 18:04.40 | Lopeppeppy | May the force be with you. |
| 18:04.56 | alestane | Does it matter which achievement they link, or only that it's one they don't have. |
| 18:04.57 | alestane | ? |
| 18:04.57 | ZorbaBeta | It's even tested on 3.3! By "tested", I mean "not tested". |
| 18:05.04 | ZorbaBeta | alestane, I would permit any achievement whatsoever. |
| 18:05.11 | ZorbaBeta | I mean, as long as they don't have it. |
| 18:05.34 | ZorbaBeta | Technically this means that crazy Korean dude with all the achievements would be unable to join my group, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. |
| 18:05.47 | alestane | So you'd take anyone who hasn't secured every achievement in the game, as long as they could read and follow your directions. |
| 18:06.05 | ZorbaBeta | alestane, indeed. I suspect I'd get a higher caliber of skill. perhaps a lower caliber of gear, but it'd be more fun. |
| 18:06.13 | olafski | zorbabeta: no there is one achievement he doesn't have :P |
| 18:06.21 | ZorbaBeta | olafski, okay, that's true :) |
| 18:06.56 | olafski | but he's probably not on your realm anyway so no worries |
| 18:07.00 | olafski | good idea though |
| 18:07.03 | olafski | I might start doing that too |
| 18:07.39 | olafski | oh so nice to join an AB and lose 3 seconds later |
| 18:07.40 | olafski | free mark |
| 18:07.51 | ZorbaBeta | lemme know how well it works :) i don't heroic frequently so I won't get a lot of sample size |
| 18:08.06 | ZorbaBeta | it's even better when you win |
| 18:08.36 | ZorbaBeta | I managed to do that with a PvP daily once :P |
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| 18:08.53 | ZorbaBeta | accept daily, join battleground, win in under fifteen seconds, turn in daily. |
| 18:08.55 | olafski | yeah |
| 18:09.01 | olafski | I've done about 8 runs in AB now |
| 18:09.03 | olafski | not won a single one |
| 18:10.36 | olafski | oh it's 7.. only need 13 more emblems to get a fist weapon |
| 18:11.25 | Shirik | ZorbaBeta |
| 18:11.32 | Shirik | I am seeing a distinct lack of upload |
| 18:11.34 | AbsolutRayne | Well, my cats eye doesnt seem to be bothering him as much today. Its not nearly as red, and hes not pawing it. |
| 18:11.35 | Shirik | you lie! |
| 18:11.39 | AbsolutRayne | Still a little teary though |
| 18:11.45 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, what did he do, AbsolutRayne? |
| 18:11.51 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, give it a minute, it's in the middle of uploading. |
| 18:11.54 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Dunno, probably got something in it |
| 18:12.04 | ZorbaBeta | I don't have a huge amount of upstream and I'm sending a 4mb package to three separate sites. |
| 18:12.21 | AbsolutRayne | 17 mins til I have this weeks Venture Bros episode :( |
| 18:12.24 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy's cat attacked it |
| 18:12.42 | AbsolutRayne | I guess I can just loop The Final Countdown til its done... |
| 18:12.52 | Lopeppeppy | Kendra has seasonal allergies, AbsolutRayne, drives me crazy to watch her be all teary |
| 18:13.18 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: This is the first time ive ever seen this happen to him...then again, hes only 2 :P |
| 18:13.31 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, pushed to curse and wowi |
| 18:14.07 | Shirik | uhh |
| 18:14.10 | Shirik | are you sure this is right? |
| 18:14.19 | AbsolutRayne | Hes not sneezing or anything though, so I dunno. Just the watery eye |
| 18:14.21 | Shirik | where's your toc file o.o |
| 18:14.33 | olafski | 3.0.13 Removed the potential for certain macros to cause players with GearScore to disconnect from the game. <-- awww |
| 18:14.35 | Shirik | nm I fail |
| 18:14.38 | Shirik | I see it |
| 18:14.38 | ZorbaBeta | oh dammit, did that not get changed? |
| 18:14.49 | Shirik | oh but it still says 30200 :) |
| 18:14.55 | Shirik | I can approve it if you want |
| 18:14.56 | ZorbaBeta | sigh, I changed it in the wrong version |
| 18:14.58 | Shirik | or |
| 18:15.01 | ZorbaBeta | well hold on lemme reupdate :P |
| 18:15.50 | Shirik | uh oh |
| 18:15.54 | Shirik | I think I just broke wowi |
| 18:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 18:16.07 | Lopeppeppy | this is ungoodly |
| 18:16.21 | zenzelezz | Shirik is totally boycotting WoWI |
| 18:16.23 | cog|work | breaks Shirik |
| 18:16.25 | Shirik | well it's not visible to you :) |
| 18:16.39 | AbsolutRayne | Ungoodly? O_o |
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| 18:16.54 | Lopeppeppy | AbsolutRayne, you boggle when I make up words? |
| 18:17.16 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: /boggled |
| 18:17.28 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is awesomeness with her wordfactories |
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| 18:17.46 | Lopeppeppy | Poor AbsolutRayne. He is enboggled. |
| 18:17.53 | AbsolutRayne | :( |
| 18:17.56 | Shirik | ah I see how to fix it |
| 18:18.00 | AbsolutRayne | My brains are scrambled |
| 18:18.02 | cog|work | ohai Dolby . shirik broke your site |
| 18:18.17 | cog|work | skitters away |
| 18:18.18 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, look at Shirik over there. |
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| 18:20.22 | batrick_ | this is y we cannot have nice things |
| 18:20.25 | batrick_ | thanks shirik |
| 18:20.30 | Shirik | ? |
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| 18:20.37 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Does you help your kittay flush his eye? |
| 18:20.42 | Dolby | a freenode server split and never fixed it self... was in this channel with 15 others |
| 18:21.02 | zenzelezz | Dolby: the special 15 |
| 18:21.31 | Ginji | by special you mean laze? |
| 18:21.35 | Ginji | s/laze/laxy/ |
| 18:21.40 | Ginji | s/laxy/lazy/ |
| 18:21.47 | Shirik | Dolby: Yeah |
| 18:21.54 | Shirik | they said they're having issues with it |
| 18:22.50 | Shirik | ZorbaBeta: all fixed? |
| 18:23.24 | cog|work | http://www.urban-collector.com/star-wars-lightsaber-chopsticks-yoda-darth-vader.html |
| 18:23.38 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, afaik, yep |
| 18:23.49 | ZorbaBeta | thanks for prompting me to check ;) |
| 18:24.29 | AbsolutRayne | Is it bad that I can stream Get On My Horse for like 30 minutes and it really doesnt bother me? |
| 18:24.41 | jnwhiteh | jnwhite3.2.2 Live -> 3.3.0 API diff: http://apidiff.pastey.net/129958 |
| 18:24.41 | Shirik | all done |
| 18:24.54 | NightHawkTheSane | AbsolutRayne: for your neighbors, yes. |
| 18:25.21 | jnwhiteh | damn.. new widget type |
| 18:25.23 | jnwhiteh | that means more work for me. |
| 18:25.28 | AbsolutRayne | My nearest neighbor is like....probably a 10 minute walk |
| 18:26.02 | Fisker | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/21627634612-moonkin-nerfssad-blizzard-just-sad.html <-i find it absurd that you actually found it a valid pvp mechanic for a year |
| 18:27.19 | olafski | hm perhaps I should update to curse client v4 already |
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| 18:28.21 | AbsolutRayne | Fisker: They found HaT to be a Valid PvE function for way too long, now look at it. |
| 18:28.39 | Shirik | don't go breaking my heart |
| 18:28.55 | AbsolutRayne | Its like a rotten corpse on the side of the road now |
| 18:29.29 | olafski | bleh |
| 18:29.34 | olafski | finding a BG at lvl 59 is impossible |
| 18:29.37 | olafski | guess I have to level on :( |
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| 18:29.48 | jnwhiteh | Let's get documenting =) |
| 18:29.48 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/QuestPOIFrame |
| 18:30.32 | ZorbaBeta | fisker, haha, that's amazing. |
| 18:30.43 | ZorbaBeta | "I can't gank people instantly and effortlessly anymore! fuck blizzard" |
| 18:31.07 | Shirik | woot, a final with no name on it |
| 18:31.19 | Shadowed | haha |
| 18:31.27 | alestane | Shirik: I've had that happen on quizzes but not finals. |
| 18:31.53 | jnwhiteh | Yay for Google Chrome for Linux/Mac OS X |
| 18:31.55 | alestane | Fortuantely, everyone else either turned in a labeled quiz or was absent that day. |
| 18:31.55 | olafski | what exactly was changed to moonkins? |
| 18:32.00 | olafski | I didn't see what he was referring to in his post |
| 18:32.04 | Cidan | Google Chrome on OS X is amazing |
| 18:32.08 | Cidan | so much better than Safari |
| 18:32.09 | Lopeppeppy | They're orange camo colored now. |
| 18:32.11 | jnwhiteh | Cidan: i've been using the dev preview or a while |
| 18:32.15 | Shirik | Cidan |
| 18:32.17 | Cidan | as have I |
| 18:32.17 | Shirik | you are such a traitor |
| 18:32.20 | jnwhiteh | Cidan: on linux.. the speed diff between chrome and firefox is ABSURD |
| 18:32.20 | Cidan | wtf |
| 18:32.22 | ZorbaBeta | olafski, their knockback ability will no longer knock people on midair off their flying mounts |
| 18:32.22 | jnwhiteh | i would even say |
| 18:32.25 | jnwhiteh | "A slap in the face" |
| 18:32.26 | Audible | i'm looking for a way to check the spellid of an item |
| 18:32.26 | Shirik | TRAITOR I SAY |
| 18:32.33 | ZorbaBeta | so you can't fly up to someone hovering, knock them back, and guarantee a kill through falling damage. |
| 18:32.34 | Cidan | wtfwhy |
| 18:32.35 | olafski | zorbabeta: oh that :) I didn't really read that as a moonkin nerf :/ |
| 18:32.39 | Shirik | you are a mac guy now |
| 18:32.45 | ccox | "a final with no name on it" - an opportunity for public shame... |
| 18:32.47 | Cidan | I'm an everything guy |
| 18:32.52 | Cidan | I use what is best for the job |
| 18:32.56 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it's a "moonkin pvp nerf" |
| 18:33.00 | ZorbaBeta | i.e. "we can't grief as easily" |
| 18:33.00 | jnwhiteh | Does it annoy anyone else that the tutorial window moves? |
| 18:33.03 | jnwhiteh | i mean i click next |
| 18:33.03 | olafski | yeah |
| 18:33.06 | Shirik | traitor |
| 18:33.07 | jnwhiteh | and then i have to move my FUCKING MOUSE |
| 18:33.09 | olafski | not as if you should be flying while fighting pvp :P |
| 18:33.10 | jnwhiteh | why not one place |
| 18:33.11 | jnwhiteh | with a FUCKING ARROW |
| 18:33.21 | Lopeppeppy | My boss hates me. He just gave me an impossible project. *sigh* |
| 18:33.22 | Shirik | Select a realm: Choose your preferred location [X] Development |
| 18:33.34 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Or he's just incompetent. |
| 18:33.48 | nevcairiel | Shirik: if thats new to you, you really need to get more onto WoW :P |
| 18:33.51 | alestane | Shirik: Realms aren't due up for another 25 minutes. |
| 18:34.00 | Shirik | nevcairiel :( |
| 18:34.03 | olafski | do I have to uninstall curse client v3 to get v4? |
| 18:34.08 | olafski | or does it replace it during installation |
| 18:34.14 | Shirik | I'm not one of the people that GOES OMG IS IT UP YET IS IT UP YET IS IT UP YET? |
| 18:34.48 | AbsolutRayne | I love this show. |
| 18:34.50 | AbsolutRayne | So much. |
| 18:35.59 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, he doesn't pay attention to where the line is drawn between the widgets the coder-lady has given me to play with, and where she has to do the work herself, by hand. Before she goes out on maternity leave in a few days. |
| 18:36.12 | industrial | NATIONALLL COLD BEER DAY |
| 18:36.17 | industrial | WE ROCK |
| 18:36.20 | industrial | \:D/ |
| 18:36.27 | Cidan | I see wowuidev is as random as ever |
| 18:36.46 | industrial | the object is to break out university's record of 'cold beer drunk in one day' |
| 18:36.53 | industrial | which was at 2245 litres |
| 18:36.58 | industrial | we broke the record. |
| 18:37.35 | Funkeh` | Dolby, why was the [more] next to author names removed? |
| 18:37.37 | Funkeh` | i liked that |
| 18:38.28 | Dolby | was by accident, when teams were added i can't have [more] but when there is only 1 author I can... just need to add it back |
| 18:38.32 | alestane | Ah, one of those bosses. http://xkcd.com/664/ |
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| 18:40.44 | Shirik | Cidan: What else did you expect :3 |
| 18:40.53 | Cidan | s'true. |
| 18:41.04 | Cidan | So did you see that Teamspeak 3 is coming out, finally? |
| 18:41.15 | olafski | I feel like an old man.. I was just about to say "this new curse client looks horrible" |
| 18:41.25 | nevcairiel | it looks like freaking iTunes |
| 18:41.31 | jnwhiteh | i wish i had the patch today |
| 18:41.33 | jnwhiteh | so i could random dungeon |
| 18:41.48 | jnwhiteh | but i'll let ya'll bitches test it so they have the issues fixed for a smooth eu rollout tomorrow =) |
| 18:41.50 | Shirik | Cidan: I probably won't look much at it |
| 18:41.59 | olafski | nevcairiel: ah so I'm not the only one who thinks this |
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| 18:42.02 | olafski | I'll just stick to using v3 |
| 18:42.22 | nevcairiel | they said they want to do a more windows-y theme "soon" |
| 18:42.24 | olafski | nevcairiel: tbh it looks more like windows media player :) |
| 18:42.34 | olafski | it's shiny and black and stuff |
| 18:42.35 | nevcairiel | set it to grey instead of black |
| 18:42.36 | olafski | horrible |
| 18:42.38 | nevcairiel | then its itunes |
| 18:43.08 | nevcairiel | it should look like the new windows ribbon interface, imho |
| 18:43.19 | olafski | ah yes gray looks like that horrible mac interface |
| 18:43.33 | ccox_ | Grr, new router, forgot to setup all the port forwards |
| 18:43.38 | olafski | I'll set it to aero and then go for v3 |
| 18:43.49 | olafski | there's all sorts of buttons which I have no idea what they will do if I click them :P |
| 18:44.45 | DWSR | servers up? |
| 18:45.03 | robotusch | Yes |
| 18:45.14 | Shirik | DWSR |
| 18:45.24 | Shirik | you missed epic guild drama last night |
| 18:45.25 | DWSR | Shirik |
| 18:45.26 | Ginji | Servers Up? |
| 18:45.27 | Shirik | epiccc |
| 18:45.30 | DWSR | Shirik: Oh? |
| 18:45.45 | Shirik | robotusch: I hate you |
| 18:45.49 | DWSR | robotusch: You dirty lying whore. |
| 18:46.01 | Ginji | Yes, but what about the servers? |
| 18:46.03 | olafski | oh god I so shouldn't have pressed update all before I had the patch |
| 18:46.05 | Shirik | This is where he says something like "The development server's up" |
| 18:46.07 | nevcairiel | he is fiskers friend, or something, if that explains stuff |
| 18:46.14 | ccox_ | downloader is uploading about 10% of what it downloads |
| 18:46.52 | Ginji | Cant even launch the downloader |
| 18:46.58 | Ginji | wine had some funky jpeg issue |
| 18:47.08 | DWSR | Oh god, patching on Wine's such a fucking pita. |
| 18:47.10 | Ginji | something to do with 32-bit jpeg library which isn't there |
| 18:47.20 | Shirik | DWSR: Basically, in guild chat, I got told by someone that I was useless and "not really a raid member." I think I was more fun, though, to see the argument that went on for 5 minutes after that and I never even said a word. |
| 18:47.32 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser updated |
| 18:47.42 | DWSR | Shirik: lulz |
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| 18:48.57 | Aelobin | is it possible to make a frame EnableMouse only whilst ctrl is pressed? |
| 18:49.03 | Aelobin | and when it's not pressed, just clickthrough it |
| 18:49.07 | DWSR | yes |
| 18:49.20 | DWSR | actually, I lied. |
| 18:49.22 | DWSR | Maybe not. |
| 18:49.44 | Shirik | not in combat that I can think of |
| 18:49.58 | DWSR | You'd have issues in combat, for sure. |
| 18:50.10 | Aelobin | ah dam :< |
| 18:50.10 | DWSR | You *could* do it out of combat, I suppose, but meh. |
| 18:50.14 | olafski | nevcairiel: also I think this new client looks very.. corporate. I don't normally object to that but it just struck me as odd, I had always thought of curse as a fan site, not a business |
| 18:50.16 | nevcairiel | depends on the frame, unprotected frames can be changed |
| 18:50.39 | Aelobin | got some buffs on my HUD, and i was thinking i dont want them clickable but i need to be able to cancel them |
| 18:50.49 | Ginji | Being a fan is SRS BZRNS! |
| 18:51.02 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 18:51.17 | DWSR | Aelobin: cancelaura |
| 18:51.38 | nevcairiel | olafski: can't run a "fan site" that eats traffic like that |
| 18:51.41 | Aelobin | aye but i mean, how will i choose which buff to cancel :P |
| 18:51.45 | DWSR | There shouldn't be many auras that you need to cancel. |
| 18:52.12 | DWSR | I don't think I've ever clicked off a buff, save Meta. |
| 18:52.40 | olafski | nevcairiel: no I guess not.. but the intro tour of v4 made me think of a virusscanner or something.. nearly made me a little sick :P |
| 18:52.53 | nevcairiel | there is a intro tour? |
| 18:52.57 | DWSR | ARE TEH SERVERS UP YETZ? |
| 18:53.00 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Yes. |
| 18:53.01 | AbsolutRayne | Nope |
| 18:53.11 | DWSR | gd it. |
| 18:53.12 | DWSR | GO UP |
| 18:53.15 | DWSR | I WANT MA FROST BADGES |
| 18:53.25 | nevcairiel | It won't be faster if you annoy us with it |
| 18:53.39 | DWSR | But it makes me feel so much better about myself. |
| 18:53.42 | DWSR | :P |
| 18:53.44 | Audible | are there anyway except of combat log to get the SpellLink from the spell an item has ( example is HearthStone) |
| 18:54.17 | DWSR | Audible: Search Wowhead. |
| 18:54.18 | nevcairiel | !api GetItemSpell |
| 18:54.18 | lua_bot | GetItemSpell: Returns information about the spell cast by an item's "Use:" effect (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemSpell) |
| 18:54.24 | DWSR | Or that |
| 18:55.06 | ZorbaBeta | first thing I'm doing in 3.3: buying an heirloom bow and sending it to my rogue |
| 18:55.14 | Audible | DWSR : not returning Spelllink, just name |
| 18:55.30 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: lol |
| 18:55.52 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: I have the bow, mh sword, oh dagger, shoulders, chest, trinketx2 for my rogue. |
| 18:55.59 | DWSR | mh and oh have crusader on them. |
| 18:56.21 | AbsolutRayne | ZorbaBeta: I have the PvE Heirloom sword, the PvP one, the Bow, the chest and shoulders sitting in my bank waiting for the servers to come up >_< |
| 18:56.22 | foxlit | GetItemSpell is really bad. |
| 18:56.25 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, mh mace with me, but besides that I've got everything besides the bow |
| 18:56.31 | foxlit | But Audible brought that up already. |
| 18:56.50 | nevcairiel | well its the only function that even touches those values, that i know of, anyway |
| 18:56.55 | DWSR | I have the sword because I can use it on another toon later. |
| 18:57.09 | ZorbaBeta | I have the mace because I think it's a little better than the sword, and the rogue is a dwarf, so it's much better :P |
| 18:57.26 | DWSR | indeed, my rogue's human, so swords. |
| 18:57.31 | AbsolutRayne | Yeah, the mace will be better for you |
| 18:58.00 | DWSR | they up yet? |
| 18:58.05 | AbsolutRayne | No |
| 18:58.14 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/ Keep refreshing. |
| 18:58.28 | DWSR | No |
| 18:58.33 | AbsolutRayne | YES |
| 18:58.34 | DWSR | You tell me. |
| 18:58.36 | DWSR | When they are up. |
| 18:58.43 | DWSR | So that you can have a purpose to your life. |
| 18:58.43 | nevcairiel | its not even 11am yet, and you really expect them to go up in time? |
| 18:58.47 | DWSR | For the next 8 minutes. |
| 18:58.49 | nevcairiel | so just shut up about it :P |
| 18:58.55 | AbsolutRayne | Also,what nev said. |
| 18:59.05 | AbsolutRayne | If they go up on time, ESPECIALLY on a Content patch, I will be very suprised. |
| 18:59.06 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Yes, I expect that they will go up on time, as I haven't seen a post or something to the contrary. |
| 18:59.09 | Shirik | leiriacven |
| 18:59.26 | Sentri | argh I have to wait 20 more hours or so to play 3.3 :P |
| 18:59.34 | AbsolutRayne | Here, have some good laughs to pass the time: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21626544473&sid=1 |
| 18:59.46 | nevcairiel | DWSR: you're kinda naive :P |
| 18:59.59 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I prefer hopeful. |
| 19:00.07 | ZorbaBeta | at least blizz isn't as bad as CCP was |
| 19:00.14 | ZorbaBeta | my god, those people missed literally 90% of their deadlines |
| 19:01.16 | cog|work | omg it's 11 and the realms aren't up!!!!1111oneeleventyone |
| 19:01.28 | Lopeppeppy | zomg |
| 19:01.28 | AbsolutRayne | cog|work: PANIC! |
| 19:01.44 | AbsolutRayne | Quick! Make a thread on the forums! Claim incompetence! |
| 19:01.52 | Lopeppeppy | Boycott someone! |
| 19:01.55 | ZorbaBeta | at this point, ccp would be starting the first of their two dozen "we estimate the servers will be up in (15 minutes from now)" changes |
| 19:01.56 | olafski | nevcairiel: yeah, when you install it, it shows the new features |
| 19:02.02 | ZorbaBeta | rayne, I demand a refund |
| 19:02.08 | DWSR | imo |
| 19:02.18 | zenzelezz | I sort of wish WoW's rare spawns were like Anarchy Online's; that they all spawned when the servers came up. Would be a source of great drama as people tried to log in first |
| 19:02.20 | AbsolutRayne | Do you have a receipt? |
| 19:02.21 | DWSR | I want it to be like that time they gave everyone 24h of free playing time |
| 19:02.39 | NeoTron_ | so I think I might have figured out why addons sometimes don't save data. It appears I had broken .bak files, specifically files with null characters inthem created in a previous crash |
| 19:02.40 | cog|work | starts a facebook group: If a million people join this group, the WoW servers will start up |
| 19:02.40 | ZorbaBeta | by my calculations, this is costing me approximately 0.035 cents *every minute* of my hard-earned subscription money |
| 19:02.45 | ZorbaBeta | I will be expecting a check within the week |
| 19:02.54 | NeoTron_ | somehow the broken backup prevented the addon files from being saved |
| 19:03.08 | DWSR | cog|work: Sadly, you'd probably get a million people to sign up before the servers come up |
| 19:03.12 | Shirik | (14:01:49) (+Lopeppeppy) Boycott someone! |
| 19:03.18 | Shirik | I'm boycotting IRC |
| 19:03.22 | DWSR | lo |
| 19:03.25 | zenzelezz | Shirik: not very well |
| 19:03.29 | foxlit | Boycott IPC instead. |
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| 19:03.50 | Fisker | NotShirik I WANT YOUR LOL |
| 19:03.53 | cog|work | boycotts CFS |
| 19:04.01 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 19:04.01 | NotShirik | boycotts cog|work |
| 19:04.07 | zenzelezz | boycotts ZFS |
| 19:04.15 | Fisker | global warming is a libertarian conspiracy |
| 19:04.19 | Fisker | along with 9/11 |
| 19:04.24 | AbsolutRayne | boycotts driving |
| 19:04.26 | DWSR | lolbertarian |
| 19:04.26 | NotShirik | boycotts CSH |
| 19:04.33 | NotShirik | I think everyone boycotts csh |
| 19:04.36 | zenzelezz | Fisker, you idiot... it's a librarian conspiracy! |
| 19:04.38 | Lopeppeppy | boycotts the project her boss gave her. |
| 19:04.44 | NotShirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 19:04.51 | NotShirik | Lopeppeppy is something I cannot boycott |
| 19:05.16 | Fisker | oh yeah zenzelezz |
| 19:06.04 | AbsolutRayne | I just hope the Quel hilt drops for me when I do the Heroic today |
| 19:06.08 | AbsolutRayne | I really want it for my MH |
| 19:06.26 | olafski | one can always hope |
| 19:06.52 | Funkeh` | Dolby, fair enough :) |
| 19:07.00 | Funkeh` | no rush :) |
| 19:07.19 | DWSR | casts Frothing Rage. |
| 19:08.34 | Lopeppeppy | tosses in some food coloring, for pink froth! |
| 19:08.40 | DWSR | Ferocious Butt #wowuidev 157 (O: 58316) |
| 19:09.03 | wowuidev | dies |
| 19:09.47 | DWSR | ucwutididthar? |
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| 19:10.44 | Audible | foxlit : apart from the Combat_Log |
| 19:11.59 | AbsolutRayne | Suprisingly, not even any news that its been Extended, etc |
| 19:12.10 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:12.16 | ZorbaBeta | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21627395311&sid=1 |
| 19:12.23 | DWSR | All Blizzard's employees spontaneously combusted. |
| 19:12.26 | ZorbaBeta | you mean besides the extended maintenance message? :P |
| 19:12.28 | DWSR | Could you imagine what would happen? |
| 19:13.08 | AbsolutRayne | A big fire? |
| 19:13.27 | AbsolutRayne | Nah thats pretty far fetched |
| 19:13.46 | DWSR | I was thinking besides the stated ones of death and burning |
| 19:14.07 | Lopeppeppy | It might be the first mass funeral on record where attendees wore elf ears... |
| 19:14.27 | DWSR | Think more from a game perspective |
| 19:15.11 | DWSR | or, I guess, a player perspective |
| 19:15.28 | DWSR | watches 10 million angry people storm Blizzard HQ and attempt to get the patch online |
| 19:15.42 | Fisker | bam |
| 19:15.45 | Fisker | extended maintanence |
| 19:15.51 | DWSR | exactly. |
| 19:16.01 | Lopeppeppy | from a player perspective, I'd be dressed in black and attending the funeral |
| 19:16.14 | Fisker | gj at reaching 20 pages in like 10 minutes |
| 19:16.17 | AbsolutRayne | Hrm |
| 19:16.18 | ZorbaBeta | I really still don't understand why they don't estimate better |
| 19:16.25 | AbsolutRayne | I think I should fire up the PS2 Emu, its been awhile |
| 19:16.37 | Lopeppeppy | No matter what they estimate, they will be wrong, and be throughly hated for it. Why try? |
| 19:16.39 | Fisker | stabs AbsolutRayne |
| 19:16.46 | AbsolutRayne | WHAT |
| 19:16.55 | DWSR | Fisker: 10 minutes? |
| 19:16.57 | Fisker | ps2 :( |
| 19:16.58 | DWSR | It hasn't been 4. |
| 19:16.58 | ZorbaBeta | lope, because they can overestimate rather than underestimate, and the servers coming up early will be a happy surprise rather than "blizzard is fucking us again" |
| 19:17.07 | AbsolutRayne | Fisker: I have a bunch of Import games that I play |
| 19:17.10 | AbsolutRayne | So yeah |
| 19:17.15 | DWSR | katamari? |
| 19:17.18 | Lopeppeppy | They are never remembered when they do that, Zorba. |
| 19:17.22 | Lopeppeppy | I've seen them do it. |
| 19:17.31 | Lopeppeppy | All anyone ever remembers is angst, woe. |
| 19:17.32 | zenzelezz | ZorbaBeta: and once they overestimate twice, they'll be accused of not knowing how to estimate |
| 19:17.39 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 19:17.47 | ZorbaBeta | zenz, it'd still be far better than going over their time every single try |
| 19:17.58 | Fisker | The last time they overestimated on EU someone made a post complaining about it |
| 19:18.00 | ZorbaBeta | people wouldn't get nearly as annoyed at "well, it was up an hour early". |
| 19:18.12 | Lopeppeppy | They do, zorba... and they don't remember it. |
| 19:18.16 | ZorbaBeta | fisker, and every time they underestimate, dozens or hundreds of people post complaining about it |
| 19:18.31 | zenzelezz | I remember once in Anarchy Online when the servers came up early. Guy came on IRC and raged about how THEY LIED!!!!! |
| 19:18.42 | ZorbaBeta | there's obviously going to be people who are pissed no matter what, but overestimating will result in much happier customers overall than underestimating will. |
| 19:18.47 | DWSR | LOL |
| 19:18.54 | DWSR | the realmstatus page just took like 15 minutes to load. |
| 19:19.00 | DWSR | Servers must be getting fucking slammed. |
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| 19:19.29 | KarlKFI | you guys realize you are arguing about people who have no lives... |
| 19:19.30 | Fisker | if overestimations get too frequent it will change ZorbaBeta |
| 19:19.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: more likely, what would happen is they overestimate, and people bitch about how the servers are going to be down all day long. |
| 19:19.52 | NightHawkTheSane | either way, idiots will be idiots and bitch. |
| 19:20.08 | ZorbaBeta | fisker, I disagree with that, how many groups of customers are regularly unhappy that they're given more than promised? they exist, but they're relatively uncommon |
| 19:20.11 | Lopeppeppy | And never remember the gift they got once, of servers coming up early. |
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| 19:20.46 | DWSR | Fool, you've activated my trap card. |
| 19:21.41 | DWSR | goes and plays Yu-Gi-Oh |
| 19:21.44 | Kaso | What's the OpenGL thing mentioned for mac clients in the patch notes? And is it only mac clients? are us wine users stuck with crappy old opengl implementation |
| 19:21.57 | KarlKFI | probably |
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| 19:22.14 | zenzelezz | since it specifically says 10.5.7 and up, I imagine it's a specific improvement |
| 19:23.19 | KarlKFI | 10.5.7 "Improves performance of video playback and cursor movements for recent Macs with NVIDIA graphics." |
| 19:23.35 | mikma | http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t72364-unholy_dps_3_3_can_you_feel_love_tonight/ |
| 19:23.38 | mikma | good stuff |
| 19:24.29 | DWSR | lol |
| 19:24.36 | DWSR | Wow, that thread got auto-locked in like 12 minutes. |
| 19:24.38 | DWSR | New record |
| 19:24.59 | olafski | ding 60.. only one char left below 60 :D |
| 19:26.54 | KarlKFI | Orc and troll shamans now have their own unique totem art. zomg |
| 19:27.20 | AbsolutRayne | Well, since i have nothing better to do, AFK, im digging my car out of the snow outside |
| 19:27.21 | NotShirik | (14:20:05) (ZorbaBeta) fisker, I disagree with that, how many groups of customers are regularly unhappy that they're given more than promised? they exist, but they're relatively uncommon |
| 19:27.34 | NotShirik | my geek squad precinct's motto was "Underpromise, overdeliver" |
| 19:27.41 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm. |
| 19:27.50 | KarlKFI | mmm Players can now track quest objectives on the map ('M' key). |
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| 19:27.53 | NotShirik | it always works out for the better |
| 19:28.08 | Dagmar | NotShirik: Really? I thought it was 'underqualified, underpaid' in most locations |
| 19:28.18 | NotShirik | hey the place where I worked actually had intelligent people |
| 19:28.25 | NotShirik | then I moved to Florida and promptly quit |
| 19:28.27 | Dagmar | THat would be a rarity |
| 19:28.31 | NotShirik | it was, lol |
| 19:28.43 | NotShirik | I quickly learned why people hated geek squad when I moved to florida |
| 19:28.45 | Dagmar | Oh I see, you met the team in Florida and walked awya then |
| 19:28.47 | Dagmar | That makes sense |
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| 19:29.18 | NotShirik | people where I worked in VA were getting hired by Cisco, etc. |
| 19:29.21 | Dagmar | Yeah my parents turned over a drive to do data recovery to Geek Squad, and I was ready to send the thing to some professionals in Atlanta |
| 19:29.28 | Dagmar | My response was "You did WHAT?" |
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| 19:29.56 | Dagmar | The only saving grace is that if they lost any pictures or records, they haven't figured it out yet |
| 19:29.56 | NotShirik | lol |
| 19:30.36 | Dagmar | I'm really sure the Geek Squad kid wasn't going to mention it if his little click-toy reported unrecoverable files |
| 19:31.04 | Fisker | slaps NotShirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:31.04 | Fisker | slaps Dagmar around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:31.04 | Fisker | you cannot stop me |
| 19:31.10 | NotShirik | However |
| 19:31.13 | NotShirik | if you want bad customer service |
| 19:31.16 | Dagmar | We are not, last I checked, required to care, either. |
| 19:31.18 | NotShirik | try dealing with the service centers |
| 19:31.21 | p3lim | any of you know where EyeTemplate is defined? |
| 19:31.24 | p3lim | In what file |
| 19:31.28 | Dagmar | NotShirik: no thanks |
| 19:31.43 | NotShirik | You have no idea the shit I had to go through while working at geek squad to get the service centers to actually be useful |
| 19:32.02 | Dagmar | Well, I know some peopel who work in one, and the only reason they stay there is because of the lack of drug tests |
| 19:32.11 | NotShirik | "Monitor doesn't turn on" --> "no fault found. Please ship the battery with it. Charging $150 for diagnostics." |
| 19:32.18 | NotShirik | "wtf we sent the power adapter why do you need the battery" |
| 19:32.25 | NotShirik | "we need battery to test the monitor sorry" |
| 19:32.32 | Dagmar | Not that these two guys are unskilled or anything, they just find the work envioronment to be more pleasant while high |
| 19:35.30 | AbsolutRayne | O_o |
| 19:35.36 | AbsolutRayne | I see Realms coming up on the Server Status list |
| 19:36.07 | NotShirik | UNPOSSIBLE |
| 19:36.10 | NotShirik | it is not 5 hours late! |
| 19:36.13 | AbsolutRayne | And now the page wont refresh |
| 19:36.35 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: what are you talking about, geek squad doesnt do any service in the stores, they ship EVERYTHING out to some other location to do the real work |
| 19:36.50 | NotShirik | not everything |
| 19:36.51 | AbsolutRayne | And theyre gone again. Oh well |
| 19:36.51 | nicoli_s | they used to do it in the store |
| 19:36.56 | AbsolutRayne | I should fire up Civ4.... |
| 19:37.03 | NotShirik | well I guess they could have changed it in the last 5 years yeah |
| 19:37.06 | nicoli_s | i remember when they got busted for using people's computers as giant porn/warez dumps |
| 19:37.12 | NotShirik | I haven't worked there for 5 years lol |
| 19:37.25 | Lopeppeppy | AbsolutRayne, the servers will be unplayable until tomorrow even if they come up! Go play Civ. *hug* |
| 19:37.29 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I know |
| 19:37.42 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: :P I just want to mail my heirlooms |
| 19:37.57 | cog|work | huggles NotShirik |
| 19:38.17 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: ...although the Best Buy here does *some* stuff locally, they've got a whopping three testbed benches |
| 19:38.32 | cog|work | So, my bill at a mexican restaurant was 11.38. Do I owe royalties to George Lucas? |
| 19:38.35 | Lopeppeppy | AbsolutRayne, I would NOT do that until the servers are stable. Wait at least until tomorrow. |
| 19:38.38 | Lopeppeppy | Mail some other stuff first. |
| 19:38.49 | Dagmar | cog|work: o.O |
| 19:38.55 | Arrowmaster | ive heard it went majorly downhill after the bestbuy ceo tried to be a nice guy and not fire all the people that should have lost their jobs after katrina destroyed the stores they worked at, so perty much every aspect of the stores got streamlined for more profit including geeksquad becoming nothing but salesmen |
| 19:38.58 | AbsolutRayne | I cant recall where I was on this Civ game I just loaded |
| 19:38.59 | AbsolutRayne | lol |
| 19:38.59 | Dagmar | ONly if you hummed the cantina theme |
| 19:39.15 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: you would be correct |
| 19:39.15 | Lopeppeppy | Start a new one! |
| 19:39.26 | AbsolutRayne | Im gonna |
| 19:39.40 | Dagmar | ...except it's not "nothing but salesmen" but a matter of they started promoting salesmen into Geek Squad--as if those two skillsets had a damn thing to do with each other |
| 19:40.03 | Dagmar | You basically, you call Geek Squad, you get Madden fans who were wearing blue shirts two days ago |
| 19:40.24 | Dagmar | I'm astonished they even pretend to hire people with actual experience |
| 19:40.44 | Arrowmaster | from the stories ive heard the geeksquad people were told if they didnt get more sales they would be fired |
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| 19:40.56 | Dagmar | Yah, and that's just dumb |
| 19:41.12 | Dagmar | Any bench tech can tell you that not pushing hardware on people is what gets you repeat business |
| 19:41.40 | Dagmar | ...and it's far easier to double- and triple-bill hours by working on more than one machine at a time |
| 19:41.51 | Dagmar | More profit from labor than sales of components |
| 19:42.33 | Dagmar | I'd be doing it freelance but for the whole "I hate you and your computer" thing |
| 19:42.37 | Arrowmaster | ive got a laptop right now from one of my moms friends i was asked to checkout because geeksquad wanted like $160 just to look at it |
| 19:42.56 | NotShirik | lululu |
| 19:42.58 | NotShirik | I shall go take a shower |
| 19:43.05 | cog|work | yep |
| 19:43.07 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 19:43.08 | Lopeppeppy | *purr* |
| 19:43.08 | cog|work | definitely not shirik |
| 19:43.09 | Dagmar | I could make a killing charging seventy-five an hour around here for on-site, but after a month or so of that, well, I'd there'd _be_ a _killing_ |
| 19:43.26 | Dagmar | One too many people with 142 things in the system tray would whine about viruses |
| 19:43.55 | Kazie | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/strupper this one.. can anyone tell me what i put instead of the "s" ? like Name(unit) or something? |
| 19:43.59 | Arrowmaster | although i dont know whats wrong with it either but im not really willing to force it open since some of the screws are too tight |
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| 19:44.37 | cog|work | Kazie: that's just indicating that it takes a string as a parameter |
| 19:44.41 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I used to do on-site for about that... and it made me want to kill people. I quit doing it. |
| 19:44.48 | Lopeppeppy | arrowmaster, use a cold screwdriver, sometimes that will contract the screws a bit and loosen them. |
| 19:44.50 | cog|work | i'm not sure what your question is |
| 19:45.04 | jnwhiteh | lua> string.upper("ThiSiSastring") |
| 19:45.05 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: THISISASTRING |
| 19:45.09 | Kazie | hmm okay |
| 19:45.11 | jnwhiteh | Kazie: ^^ |
| 19:45.14 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: at least for onsite the stupid things shouldnt bother you as much, because you get the stupid things that are just show up and do one simple little thing, watch the person /facepalm and them bill them for your time |
| 19:45.15 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Yeah, now that clove cigarettes require shipping from India, it's not safe for me to work with the public |
| 19:45.25 | Kazie | Well i'm kinda new and i'm trying to challenge myself using LuaText in Pitbull4 :) |
| 19:45.42 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Have you considered Thorazine? |
| 19:45.53 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Oh no. You also get the bargain hunters who want to make sure they get an hours' worth of time, even if it means asking you to defrag their hard drive |
| 19:46.20 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I prefer to consider it a completely reasonable reaction to the widespread level of functional retardation in adults |
| 19:46.48 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Consider it chlorinating the gene pool |
| 19:47.02 | Kazie | Is there any API or alike to abreviate something? into like max 8 letters like "12345678..." instead of "1234567890" ? :) |
| 19:47.02 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: There's little old ladies out there who will for sure want you to explain to them every weird error Windows gave them in the last three months, and they'll have printed screenshots |
| 19:47.17 | Lopeppeppy | "didn't like your hat" |
| 19:47.18 | Dagmar | Lunessa: It's the chlorinating that they arrest you for |
| 19:48.06 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: ...and then you'll get the people who will basically decide they want it free, or that they just want a new computer, so you'll go and fix things and then they'll say their computer "just died" right after you left, or that youo didn't actually fix anything, etc etc |
| 19:48.33 | Dagmar | That right there would be why so many techs have to make restore points and/or backups the moment they get on site |
| 19:48.46 | Arrowmaster | thats more of the one time onsite tech stuff |
| 19:49.10 | Dagmar | The convenience of onsite availability leads people to call for more trivial things |
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| 19:49.21 | Arrowmaster | one of my college teachers (part time teacher) owns a business and does contractual onsite tech so he doesnt have to deal with that stuff |
| 19:49.32 | Dagmar | That's much better |
| 19:50.07 | Arrowmaster | but he still gets to charge people $90 to show up and plug in a cable |
| 19:50.24 | Dagmar | Sweet |
| 19:50.35 | Dagmar | We used to have a lot of people working for Comcast here doing cablemodem installs |
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| 19:51.50 | Dagmar | Thankfully, none of "our people" were involved in the debacle of trying at-your-door billing collections |
| 19:53.07 | Dagmar | We had an automatic payment with BoA fail mysteriously, some guy shows up on my doorstep demanding a check for ~$200 or the cablemodem |
| 19:53.33 | Dagmar | Considering we *bought* the cablemodem, he about got knifed |
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| 19:54.58 | cog|work | Dagmar: INTJ, by any chance? |
| 19:55.03 | Dagmar | Having people paid a premium per install is good, a premium per-collection leads to hiring thugs who try to shoulder their way into my apartment |
| 19:55.17 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats when you remind them that you are legally allowed to hurt them if they try to enter the property without permission |
| 19:55.47 | Arrowmaster | thats what disconnecting from the pole is for |
| 19:55.56 | Dagmar | cog|work: Probably. I can't remember what it was the last time but I'll look it up and let you know |
| 19:56.02 | olafski | mm entering hellfire at 60 instead of 58 is fun :o |
| 19:56.05 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Oh yeah, he actually did that too |
| 19:56.07 | olafski | never tried that before |
| 19:56.21 | Arrowmaster | did you just go plug it back in? |
| 19:56.23 | Dagmar | I had the police on the phone talking about malicious mischief charges. |
| 19:56.36 | Dagmar | Their collecctions program went BADLY wrong here due to the contractor they picked |
| 19:56.57 | Arrowmaster | most collections programs go BADLY wrong |
| 19:57.09 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: No, because the dude literally went to the demarck point, put chokes on the line, and then locked the box up out of spite _after_ CS told him we actually _were_ paid up and it was a mistake |
| 19:57.17 | Arrowmaster | weve had to deal with collections due to medical insurance before |
| 19:58.01 | Dagmar | So... I didn't want to do anything that might be needing fingerprinting or something |
| 19:58.05 | nicoli_s | ive had the repo people show up with cops at our house before, but always because they were at the wrong house |
| 19:58.28 | Dagmar | Yeah that would be why repo people come with cops. That and making sure the repo people don't just up and steal a card |
| 19:58.33 | Dagmar | er car= |
| 19:58.46 | Arrowmaster | it turns out when a medical bill gets turned over to collections what it really is is that the collections agency pays off the bill and then tries to get the money from you, so they dont fucking give a damn when you tell them that the insurance company has paid the original bill |
| 19:58.46 | Dagmar | ...cuz if you get the wrong one on your own initiative, things get intersting |
| 19:59.01 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Yep |
| 19:59.13 | nicoli_s | it was always fun trying to tell the cops that no, they cant take our tv cuz we paid cash for it |
| 19:59.28 | Dagmar | You send them a registered letter containing a copy of your reciept from paying off the people you owed |
| 19:59.32 | nicoli_s | cuz apparently they had to take a tv back from the people on the West version of our street a few times |
| 19:59.37 | Kazie | Is there any API or alike to abreviate something? into like max 8 letters like "abcdefgh..." instead of "abcdefghijklmno" ? :) |
| 19:59.56 | DWSR | are they up yet? |
| 19:59.58 | Dagmar | They can't touch you after that, although lots of sleazy ones might still try for a day or two |
| 20:00.10 | Dagmar | Kazie: That would be a simple lua string function |
| 20:01.07 | Kazie | Dagmar: i've tried going through wow-programming.com but i didn't find anything i could relate to what i want :o .. got any pointers? :) |
| 20:01.31 | Dagmar | It's on wowwiki |
| 20:01.34 | Dagmar | Pretty sure |
| 20:02.09 | Kazie | Do you have any idea what it might be called? :) |
| 20:02.34 | Arrowmaster | Kazie: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.4 |
| 20:02.35 | Dagmar | How about the obvious |
| 20:02.38 | Dagmar | strsub |
| 20:02.51 | Dagmar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_functions |
| 20:02.58 | Dagmar | This page is the first hit when you Google "lua truncate string" |
| 20:03.30 | Kazie | Well i'm still new to this and i don't know what everything is called so obviously this is not obvious to me :) |
| 20:03.33 | Kazie | Thanks :) |
| 20:03.48 | Dagmar | Pretty much every language that has strings seems to have either substr() or something like it |
| 20:05.26 | Arrowmaster | my dads had a kidney transplant and my mom works as a medical accountant for a nunnery so ive heard many stories about messed up medical billing |
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| 20:07.16 | Dagmar | Medical billing is insane |
| 20:07.59 | Dagmar | I wound up doing a quick visit to the ER in the spring after passing out from dehydration. It took them four months to round up all the paperwork into one number that didn't change from week to week |
| 20:08.55 | Dagmar | At least they're really low-pressure about getting people to pay it right away as a result |
| 20:10.08 | Arrowmaster | i think the ER is probably the area hospitals are expecting to lose money on which could be why |
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| 20:11.20 | Dagmar | Well, considering that the numbers on the bills were changing from week to week, I can see why |
| 20:11.40 | cog|work | Adys: Legorol: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/sarahlindt.png >< This is that stupid cunt (yes, i used the C word which I never use except when quoting George Carlin) who went on her emotional tirade against me the other day... The irony is breathtaking |
| 20:12.02 | Dagmar | Like, normally, I'd ahve just paid it when it came in because it's not one of my usual four monthlies, but I put it off and then more paperwork came in with different numbers on it which made me pause, and then I kept getting different figures |
| 20:13.10 | Dagmar | I was like, I _know_ they ahve centralized record-keeping over there, I filled out the forms on the wireless tablet they handed me |
| 20:13.22 | Adys | cog|work: report and enjoy drama |
| 20:13.40 | Dagmar | Turns out there are four different departments who were generating partial bills and occasionally merging one into the other |
| 20:13.56 | Dagmar | So, after four months, it was down to two bills which were finally complete |
| 20:14.49 | cog|work | are line breaks valid inside html attribute values? (e.g. img alt text) |
| 20:15.07 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 20:15.14 | foxlit | ?! |
| 20:15.59 | schnoggo | forums.worldofwarcraft.com down? |
| 20:15.59 | Lunessa | cog|work: Holy crap. That woman needs a) a ball gag, b) social skills, and c) a royal f-ing. |
| 20:16.25 | foxlit | cog|work: I'd say no. |
| 20:16.31 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: havent you noticed how vB sets the thread link descriptions to like the full post content? or atleast it does on some sites |
| 20:17.04 | Adys | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.1/../../../libz.so when searching for -lz |
| 20:17.05 | Adys | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.1/../../../libz.a when searching for -lz |
| 20:17.05 | Adys | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libz.so when searching for -lz |
| 20:17.05 | Adys | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libz.a when searching for -lz |
| 20:17.05 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: find me a site and we'll talk. |
| 20:17.05 | Arrowmaster | doesnt seem to on wowace but i know it does on some other sites |
| 20:17.05 | Adys | wtf |
| 20:17.14 | foxlit | As far as I can see, <br/> is meaningless in title |
| 20:17.23 | foxlit | plain old newlines work, however. |
| 20:17.26 | cog|work | foxlit: i mean actual line breaks in the source |
| 20:17.34 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 20:17.37 | Adys | cog|work: they are |
| 20:17.40 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 20:17.49 | foxlit | Right. |
| 20:18.03 | Adys | well |
| 20:18.03 | Adys | in nonstrict at least |
| 20:18.04 | Adys | not sure about xml |
| 20:18.32 | Arrowmaster | xml shouldnt give a fuck about newlines |
| 20:18.49 | Adys | http://www.google.gr/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=are+linebreaks+valid+in+xml+attributes |
| 20:18.55 | Adys | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/449627/are-line-breaks-in-xml-attribute-values-valid |
| 20:19.36 | Dagmar | It's valid |
| 20:19.46 | Arrowmaster | right as long as the newline is inside the quotes it should be valid |
| 20:20.07 | Arrowmaster | now trying to put a newline elsewhere probably isnt |
| 20:20.12 | Dagmar | Whether or not it's useful is debateable, and you'll be hard pressed to find sympathy if they stop working because of the way text is usually parsed in XML/HTML |
| 20:20.52 | Dagmar | It won't break the XML, but whatever displays that value you've set might well not believe in your silly need for new lines |
| 20:21.05 | schnoggo | cog: I love when "normals" choose to pick a fight online with nerds. You wanna fight on my turf? You've already lost... |
| 20:21.19 | cog|work | chuckles |
| 20:21.26 | sylvanaar | !CDATA |
| 20:21.30 | Dagmar | cog|work: You should have seen the early 90's |
| 20:21.39 | Dagmar | wtf evil nick complete |
| 20:22.17 | Mikk | ahh yes the days of peter da silva being the #1 AND #2 poster on usenet in the same month |
| 20:22.24 | Dagmar | schnaggo: You should have seen the early 90's. Non-coms would wander onto IRC and start smarting off, and 38 bytes later they'd be too busy watching chkdsk to give anyone any more lip |
| 20:22.41 | Seerah | huggles cog|work |
| 20:23.01 | KarlKFI | haha godzilla collection is on hulu |
| 20:23.14 | KarlKFI | including: http://www.hulu.com/collections/341/113479 |
| 20:23.22 | Adys | this may sound like a retarded question but how the f do i sign in to stackoverflow? |
| 20:23.29 | Adys | Im sure i registered an acc ages ago |
| 20:23.31 | sylvanaar | google! |
| 20:23.33 | Adys | without openid |
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| 20:24.01 | sylvanaar | thats how i do it at least |
| 20:27.22 | Mikk | Shadowed: wtf @ sUF's description?! :P |
| 20:27.22 | Arrowmaster | Adys: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/01/we-now-support-multiple-openids/ |
| 20:27.29 | Shadowed | Mikk what about it |
| 20:27.38 | Mikk | "Your advertisement here..."? =P |
| 20:27.42 | Shadowed | oh |
| 20:27.57 | Shadowed | Are you interested, just 10 low payments of $19.99! |
| 20:28.00 | Mikk | hahahaha |
| 20:28.32 | Shadowed | TOC notes are overrated, the name describes it well enough |
| 20:28.48 | Shadowed | so I change the note to random things whenever I can think of something |
| 20:28.58 | Mikk | Yeah just looks a bit tarded in the curse client :P |
| 20:29.02 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:29.11 | Shadowed | hah |
| 20:29.19 | nevcairiel | @describe shadowed-unit-frames |
| 20:29.22 | Repo | nevcairiel: http://www.wowace.com/addons/shadowed-unit-frames/. Shadowed Unit Frames. Your advertisement here, for 10 low payments of $19.99, act now this is a $39.99 deal, a 49.98749% savings! |
| 20:29.22 | Shadowed | I don't use the curse client so I have no idea how it's listed |
| 20:29.34 | nevcairiel | its used in more places on the page, too ;) |
| 20:29.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah i cant login to stackoverflow either |
| 20:29.58 | Shadowed | If I manually set one through the project page, will it be overwritten or no? |
| 20:30.00 | Arrowmaster | it says it doesnt recognize =!a1cc.b4a6.b2de.a61d as an openid its seen before |
| 20:30.01 | Mikk | But yeah with sane names, descriptions aren't very needed I agree |
| 20:30.08 | nevcairiel | the .toc Note field overwrites the page |
| 20:30.11 | Arrowmaster | but i know thats false |
| 20:30.16 | Mikk | but then people name their addons "leetsauce" and "hotdog" and stuff |
| 20:30.25 | Shadowed | or your name is tekkub |
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| 20:31.07 | Mikk | or that |
| 20:31.26 | Shadowed | I should probably change it to something a little bit less nonsensical somepoint |
| 20:31.46 | cog|work | Adys: schnoggo: Seerah: Lunessa: The best part about it? Spencer Hughes (sarah's husband, on whose profile the whole FW fiasco went down) is the person who introduced me to WoW |
| 20:31.54 | Dagmar | Well, it's nice that the bot relays those great offers |
| 20:32.04 | Seerah | hehe |
| 20:32.08 | cog|work | s/FW/global warming |
| 20:32.15 | Lunessa | ... CrossDresser. FriendsWithBenefits. Buffet - delicious names of humor-y goodness. |
| 20:32.16 | cog|work | (purposefully left off the closing /) |
| 20:32.22 | Shadowed | Maybe I should screenshot it and say curse is embedding ads into the toc notes |
| 20:32.39 | Lunessa | cog|work: She can suck it. |
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| 20:35.29 | cog|work | is proud of the 3 cents in ad revenue his blog has brought in over the last few days |
| 20:35.41 | nicoli_s | share the wealth cog |
| 20:35.45 | cog|work | I'm up to $2.83 all time =) |
| 20:35.49 | Lopeppeppy | Wait, did I just earn you .0003 cents by going there! |
| 20:36.07 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: no i think you have to click the links :> |
| 20:36.32 | Adys | Does the availability of extensions put Chrome at risk of becoming bloated, like many complain about with Firefox? |
| 20:36.34 | Adys | WTF? |
| 20:36.43 | Adys | who complains about firefox being bloated because of extensions? |
| 20:36.47 | nicoli_s | me |
| 20:36.49 | Adys | isnt that the fucking point of extensions? |
| 20:36.56 | Dagmar | It increases the risk of people complaining about it, yes. |
| 20:36.58 | Thunder_Child | servers are startingto go up |
| 20:37.01 | Adys | firefox IS bloated but certainly not because of extensions |
| 20:37.03 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, sorry cog|work. NoScript-Adblock-nowai! |
| 20:37.05 | Dagmar | Of course, some of those people are already complaining about it |
| 20:37.19 | sylvanaar | noscript + web 2.0 = nowai |
| 20:37.22 | nicoli_s | link Thunder_Child? |
| 20:37.51 | Dagmar | "I have been logged into my machine for two weeks and I only have 45 tabs open... WHY THE H**L IS CHROME USING 200MB OF MY RAM?" |
| 20:38.09 | nevcairiel | firefox would be using 500 for that :P |
| 20:38.27 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/12/ghost_piratey_monkey_island_le.php |
| 20:38.28 | Dagmar | Yeah turns out when you ask it to cache your history that'll happen if you never end your session |
| 20:38.29 | Thunder_Child | nicoli_s: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/ |
| 20:39.35 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: i lied |
| 20:39.50 | cog|work | not sure how it figures out what i earn, but i did get a couple cents with no one clicking |
| 20:40.53 | Lunessa | needs to create a popular blog which will earn enormous ad revenue and merchandising. |
| 20:41.17 | Lopeppeppy | Neat, cog|work. |
| 20:41.31 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, trash people a lot, that's always popular |
| 20:41.37 | cog|work | ^ |
| 20:43.15 | sylvanaar | yep |
| 20:43.20 | sylvanaar | #1 way |
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| 20:44.25 | sylvanaar | wow my realm is up |
| 20:45.13 | Lopeppeppy | It's a trap! |
| 20:46.38 | DWSR | Fools, you've activated my trap carb |
| 20:46.40 | DWSR | card* |
| 20:46.48 | NightHawkTheSane | mm.. trap carbs... |
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| 20:46.53 | NightHawkTheSane | tastey.. tastey traps.. |
| 20:46.54 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:47.02 | Lopeppeppy | With cheese sauce? |
| 20:47.08 | NightHawkTheSane | absolutely. |
| 20:47.27 | nicoli_s | anything with cheese sauce is good |
| 20:47.29 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: And have naked pictures of hot chicks. |
| 20:47.45 | nicoli_s | thats always good too |
| 20:47.48 | Lopeppeppy | That only helps for some audiences. |
| 20:47.58 | nicoli_s | is helped |
| 20:48.03 | AbsolutRayne | Lets see how much of my UI is shot, and if I should even bother updating it -_- |
| 20:48.18 | Lopeppeppy | noooo! |
| 20:48.23 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: About to find that out right now. |
| 20:48.27 | Lopeppeppy | uses AbsolutRayne's stuff! |
| 20:48.45 | AbsolutRayne | Dominos isnt working? O_o |
| 20:48.49 | AbsolutRayne | Thats a new one |
| 20:49.48 | NightHawkTheSane | >< someone get this awesome song out of my head.. |
| 20:49.48 | AbsolutRayne | Something have to be bothering it |
| 20:50.14 | Lopeppeppy | NHTS: start humming the Indiana Jones theme song! |
| 20:50.21 | nicoli_s | NightHawkTheSane: listen to the count chocula chocolate rain song, thatll do it |
| 20:50.26 | Adys | Oh guy |
| 20:50.31 | NightHawkTheSane | nicoli_s: ... that might make me homocidal. |
| 20:50.32 | Adys | Guys even |
| 20:50.34 | NightHawkTheSane | homicidal? |
| 20:50.35 | Adys | I just noticed |
| 20:50.35 | NightHawkTheSane | bah |
| 20:50.39 | Adys | we are actually in december! |
| 20:50.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: welcome to last week, adys. |
| 20:50.55 | Adys | You know what that means NightHawkTheSane ? |
| 20:50.59 | Adys | http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g3/bells.htm |
| 20:51.19 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MELV6h9JPE |
| 20:52.15 | NotShirik | goes to take a shower and eat |
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| 20:53.11 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder if I can LFD my way out of the DK starting zone |
| 20:53.29 | NightHawkTheSane | good question |
| 20:53.49 | Thunder_Child | i thought it returns you to your starting point on exit |
| 20:53.55 | Thunder_Child | regardless of exit point |
| 20:54.03 | NightHawkTheSane | does it? even if you zone out through the portal? |
| 20:54.13 | Shirik | tackles Seerah|away |
| 20:54.17 | ZorbaBeta | it might, but it'd be kind of awesome to troop around the DK starting zone in completely inappropriate late-game classic equipment |
| 20:54.25 | Thunder_Child | besides, cant you be lock summoned out of the starting area anyway? |
| 20:54.29 | Seerah|away | waves to Shirik |
| 20:54.35 | ZorbaBeta | plus you could in theory hit level 80 without leaving the starting zone |
| 20:55.01 | zenzelezz | hm, attempting to dance-tank Heigan after not having done Naxxramas since February was a bit ambitious it seems |
| 20:55.55 | AbsolutRayne | Was Chinchilla updated for 3.3? |
| 20:56.36 | AbsolutRayne | Im getting Errors from it |
| 20:57.32 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: No. |
| 20:57.36 | cbreak | is that a good idea? |
| 20:57.41 | cbreak | if you leave the DK starting area |
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| 20:58.01 | cbreak | you'll end up with like 45 talent points less than normal DKs |
| 20:58.34 | AbsolutRayne | I dont even think you can interact with anyone if you dont complete the starting zone |
| 21:00.32 | AbsolutRayne | waits to log back into his server |
| 21:00.34 | cbreak | they'd throw vegetables at you? :) |
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| 21:01.28 | AbsolutRayne | I actually dont think you can leave the zone without completing everything. I could be wrong of course |
| 21:01.47 | Gnarfoz | you can't leave. |
| 21:01.59 | Lopeppeppy | I think you're channeled into your phased content, no choice. |
| 21:02.28 | AbsolutRayne | I got a mail that said the CoreHound Pup was there, and its not. :( |
| 21:02.42 | zenzelezz | channels into Lopeppeppy's content |
| 21:02.55 | ZorbaBeta | do we even know what the corehound is being given out for yet, or is it just showing up without explanation? |
| 21:03.13 | AbsolutRayne | FALSE ADVERTISING, IM COMPLAINING |
| 21:04.31 | DWSR | wow, wtf? |
| 21:04.31 | Lopeppeppy | AbsolutRayne, I told you not to trust the mails! |
| 21:04.34 | AbsolutRayne | Still waiting to load into Dalaran |
| 21:04.41 | DWSR | Anyone else getting stuck with their loading bar totally full? |
| 21:04.49 | DWSR | In Dal or elsewhere? |
| 21:04.51 | AbsolutRayne | And yes, because its patch day. |
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| 21:05.14 | Thunder_Child | yes, but not just dal |
| 21:05.26 | DWSR | ok |
| 21:05.31 | Lopeppeppy | I'll be happy to download the patch and get to the character screen, I'm not even going to try to log in! |
| 21:05.32 | AbsolutRayne | You should be happy you can even see your Character list at this point. |
| 21:05.37 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 21:05.39 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: lol |
| 21:05.43 | Maldivia | *grumble* eclipse is still bugged |
| 21:05.45 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: Apparently. |
| 21:05.50 | DWSR | Maldivia: When is it not bugged? |
| 21:06.04 | Maldivia | DWSR: meaning, there is NO combat log entry for you getting the buff |
| 21:06.15 | Maldivia | DWSR: Meaning have to scan using UnitBuff |
| 21:06.29 | DWSR | Maldivia: When is it not bugged? |
| 21:06.34 | Maldivia | touche |
| 21:07.36 | foxlit | You'd think aura gains would work properly. |
| 21:07.45 | foxlit | You're absolutely sure you simply aren't filtering it somehow? |
| 21:08.20 | Yssaril | is there an event that fires when the interface dialog is displayed in game? |
| 21:08.24 | Maldivia | foxlit: using COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED and done a /combatlog |
| 21:08.30 | Maldivia | doesn't show up either place |
| 21:08.38 | foxlit | Hm, sucks. |
| 21:09.42 | Maldivia | Yssaril: hmm, could check COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE |
| 21:09.58 | foxlit | Combat text is awesome. |
| 21:10.09 | foxlit | You could set it to watch an arbitrary unit. |
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| 21:11.45 | cog|work | what happened to http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ ? |
| 21:11.55 | Mikk | Yssaril: create a frame parented to the dialog. set an OnShow script for your frame. |
| 21:12.13 | Yssaril | Mikk: yea that is my other option :) |
| 21:12.20 | foxlit | cog|work: 404 for a while now. |
| 21:12.50 | Mikk | I sincerely doubt an event would pop since it's something that happens in Lua |
| 21:13.02 | AbsolutRayne | In before 'Restart my Server plz' threads in CSR. |
| 21:14.18 | cbreak | must be windows user |
| 21:14.25 | cbreak | who think that restarting fixes anything |
| 21:14.36 | cbreak | next "plz defrag my database server" |
| 21:17.06 | foxlit | qq@enchanting. |
| 21:17.23 | Dagmar | I told you it takes awhile for MSSQL to complete optimize tables' |
| 21:17.46 | bleeter | cog|work: I et it with flava beans and a nice cianti |
| 21:17.50 | foxlit | While I'm not personally opposed to the change, the people arguing for it make me want to headdesk :( |
| 21:18.40 | cbreak | what change? |
| 21:19.03 | foxlit | Having an enchanter in your group allows everyone to roll disenchant on items, which automatically shards the item. |
| 21:19.12 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: there's idiots on both sides of that argument |
| 21:19.26 | cbreak | that sounds convenient |
| 21:19.31 | cbreak | can you turn it off? |
| 21:19.35 | foxlit | No. |
| 21:19.36 | NightHawkTheSane | nope |
| 21:19.39 | cbreak | lame. |
| 21:19.47 | AbsolutRayne | watches the 'Stuck at Load Screen' thread in the CS Forum get bigger and bigger... |
| 21:19.52 | cbreak | maybe if you switch to master looting |
| 21:19.56 | Larry | hello? |
| 21:20.04 | bleeter | HI!!! |
| 21:20.06 | NightHawkTheSane | it conveniently avoids the "oh, just pass, i'll greed and de and give them out later", then the enchatner conveniently "forgets" to do that |
| 21:20.09 | Larry | ever since i upgraded to 3.3 my wow freezes on a full load bar after clicking enter game |
| 21:20.14 | foxlit | You cannot switch the loot system in 5-man pugs. |
| 21:20.19 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: can't switch loot type if you pugged via th LFD system |
| 21:20.28 | nevcairiel | Its designed for the cross-realm PUGs |
| 21:20.31 | nevcairiel | you can't trade in them |
| 21:20.40 | nevcairiel | so to distribute disenchanted stuff, they did that |
| 21:21.01 | foxlit | I kind of wish enchanters would get an option to turn that off, but meh, not too bothered. |
| 21:21.04 | cbreak | sounds like a hack :) |
| 21:21.20 | nevcairiel | i like the feature |
| 21:21.22 | bleeter | Larry: do an interface reset? rename Interface and WTF folders, try again. also try with disabled UI on a toon that's not in a Big City |
| 21:21.28 | NightHawkTheSane | sounds like an idea they should expand to any gathered resource in an instance |
| 21:21.50 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: I've often wanted /roll to work on mining nodes n herbs |
| 21:21.52 | nevcairiel | other resources in instance are so rare in comparison |
| 21:22.01 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: think I even Suggested it at some stage |
| 21:22.07 | Larry | rename them? |
| 21:22.20 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: i suggested it during this ptr cycle. >< |
| 21:22.29 | Dagmar | We /roll on mining and herbs in my guild to decide who has to carry the stuff back |
| 21:22.41 | bleeter | Larry: yeah, instead of delete, rename (that way when you get it going you can name them back and start working out what specifically is broken) |
| 21:22.48 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: I suggested it before 2.0 ;) |
| 21:22.49 | Dagmar | Whining enchanters can go back to playing Little Ninjas for all I care |
| 21:22.51 | nevcairiel | imho there is a difference between those anyway |
| 21:22.53 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: fair enough. :) |
| 21:23.04 | nevcairiel | just because you're a disenchanter you're not entitled to all un-used loot automatically |
| 21:23.17 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: a bit, but only in that instance blues are one of the only ways to get shards :P |
| 21:23.22 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: Mind you, I also suggested widescreen loader art before 2.0 lolol |
| 21:23.25 | Dagmar | This is typically the point where even an even-tempered parent would up and backhand their kids for complaining |
| 21:23.32 | Lopeppeppy | And Larry, you may just be encountering issues that the servers are still having, so after you do the folder rename, be patient... |
| 21:23.38 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: you, sir, are clearly a prophet of good ideas |
| 21:23.57 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: oh servers are still bumpy? I just woke up, haven't caught up with Blizz status yet ;) |
| 21:24.11 | Lopeppeppy | They only just finished extended maintenance, bleeter. |
| 21:24.12 | Dagmar | bleeter: It's a major patch day. |
| 21:24.13 | AbsolutRayne | I think im going to watch L4D Rageplay again |
| 21:24.24 | Lopeppeppy | and yeah, major patch day blues. |
| 21:24.28 | bleeter | Dagmar: I figured that, hence I wasn't up a couple of hours earlier hahaha |
| 21:24.33 | Dagmar | Assume the serbers will be 'bumpy' until long after the sun goes down and most importantly, the children are put to bed |
| 21:24.56 | Lopeppeppy | I usually don't try to play on major patch days, at all. |
| 21:25.42 | foxlit | "nevcairiel: just because you're a disenchanter you're not entitled to all un-used loot automatically" << the opposite side is "just because you're in a group with an enchanter, you're not entitled to get your loot disenchanted" |
| 21:25.58 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: I tend to just do addon updates n see if I can take a peek. I might create a new toon see what the new starting's like though, shouldn't be too busy |
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| 21:26.16 | Dagmar | The opposite side is dumb. |
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| 21:26.18 | Lopeppeppy | bleeter, you optimist you!!! |
| 21:26.19 | nevcairiel | foxlit: well sure, thats another point |
| 21:26.43 | Dagmar | The SOLE reason they're throwing a fit is that they're ninjas |
| 21:26.58 | Dagmar | ...and now they're pissed the system will prevent people being too lazy to pass on shards |
| 21:27.01 | foxlit | That is an oversimplification not worth discussing. |
| 21:27.18 | Larry | with the bg update being that its based of the player sindividual level, doe sit mena well gain more or less exp? |
| 21:27.29 | Dagmar | Complaining that they're being put out by this is an exaggeration not worth discussin |
| 21:27.55 | Dagmar | They don't even have to click anything--it costs them neither time nor attention |
| 21:28.05 | foxlit | It costs them in lost profit in AH prices. |
| 21:28.18 | Dagmar | For the loot that they _weren't_ sharing |
| 21:28.22 | Dagmar | ...almost by definition. |
| 21:28.31 | Dagmar | So basically, tehy're pissed that they're being forced to share |
| 21:28.36 | foxlit | Meh. If you have problems with reliability of your enchanters, roll greed. |
| 21:28.44 | Dagmar | Gosh that's awful, being forced to not hoard resources to yourself |
| 21:29.02 | Larry | since im running XP should i add that line into my WTF they said xp users should put in? |
| 21:29.09 | Larry | could that be the prob/ |
| 21:29.20 | smcn | funny, in random heroic with 4 other people all from different servers, just killed 3rd boss in hol and everyone except me d/c'd |
| 21:29.42 | Dagmar | Quick! Take the look and run like an enchanter |
| 21:29.43 | Larry | wow every tech forum post is about loading screen problem |
| 21:29.45 | Larry | lol |
| 21:29.54 | foxlit | Dagmar: more specifically, you're well entitled to actual loot. You're *not* entitled to the results of profession skills you do not have. |
| 21:30.02 | foxlit | Except, apparently, you are. |
| 21:30.08 | Dagmar | Yep well, sucks to be an enchanter then |
| 21:30.10 | foxlit | Well, at least the enchant prices will drop. |
| 21:30.11 | Dagmar | Suck it up. |
| 21:30.31 | foxlit | Any reason this change should be made? |
| 21:30.32 | Dagmar | They can bitch all tehy want, but they can't have their cake and eat it too. Same as always |
| 21:30.40 | Lunessa | WTF is so hard about me telling you, "Any computer form the last 10 years will run our online COurse Software?" |
| 21:30.41 | foxlit | As opposed to just forcing everyone to roll greed on everything? |
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| 21:30.54 | smcn | larry: i got that when i first logged on about an hour ago, i just waited probably 3 minutes and it eventually let me in |
| 21:30.57 | Dagmar | foxlit: That has what to do with anything |
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| 21:31.40 | Dagmar | I can assure you that if I see an enchy trying to roll greed, I'll motion for the group to punt them. Barring that, I'll drop group during a boss fight. |
| 21:31.41 | foxlit | Dagmar: that has everything to do with this. Your problem is that you apparently have enchanters ninjaing your loot. Sucks to be you, but that's solved just as easily by forcing a greed roll from everyone. |
| 21:32.02 | Dagmar | How is that solved by making everyone roll greed? |
| 21:32.13 | foxlit | You can no longer claim your loot is ninjaed. |
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| 21:32.17 | bleeter | RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 21:32.26 | Dagmar | I'm not claiming anything. |
| 21:32.41 | schnoggo | grats, kids. We broke WoW: "The site is down for maintenance." |
| 21:32.44 | foxlit | Then I'm not sure what your problem is. |
| 21:32.46 | Dagmar | I'm sick of hearing the enchanters whine simply because they're no longer going to be able to so easily take advantage of other people's laziness |
| 21:33.09 | Dagmar | They won't be able to do this because of a _required_ change to allow _everyone_ to have a _much better_ experience with cross-realm grouping |
| 21:33.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: minor nitpick, but "greed" has the same priority as "de" i believe. |
| 21:33.19 | foxlit | So, force everyone to greed. Enchanters can no longer take advantage of other people's laziness. Your problem is solved, everyone is happy. |
| 21:33.31 | Dagmar | So basically, they're throwing a fit because they're put out about this >< much in order to facilitate everyone having a *much* better time |
| 21:33.38 | Dagmar | Too effing bad. They're still coming out ahead. |
| 21:33.51 | foxlit | everyone *but* the enchanter. |
| 21:33.59 | Dagmar | They can drop enchanting then. |
| 21:34.00 | schnoggo | Anyone have the 3.3 UI changes mirrored? Kinda stuck with worldofwarcraft.com down |
| 21:34.06 | Dagmar | No one forced them to learn it |
| 21:34.09 | foxlit | And this is a good thing why? |
| 21:34.13 | Dagmar | ...and their whines are pathetic |
| 21:34.30 | cbreak | isn't that a defining feature of whines? |
| 21:34.43 | cbreak | prefers green tea. |
| 21:35.11 | Dagmar | If they hate it that much, they can unlearn enchanting, or just resume ninjaing from their guild |
| 21:35.57 | foxlit | Sigh, you are not listening. |
| 21:35.58 | Dagmar | Engineers who summon a mailbox unfortunately have no choice in whether or not group/raid-mates can also use it |
| 21:35.59 | Dagmar | Too bad |
| 21:36.23 | Dagmar | Leatherworkers who make and play drums have no choice as to whetheer or not they buff other group/raid members. |
| 21:36.32 | Dagmar | The enchanter whine is neither unique, nor compelling. |
| 21:37.00 | cbreak | People always bug me for water/food just because I am a mage |
| 21:37.07 | cbreak | they can just buy it themselves! |
| 21:37.15 | cbreak | or pay me for it |
| 21:37.18 | Dagmar | I'll "listen" when an actual cogent argument more coherent than "they shoudln't benefit from my tradeskill" is made |
| 21:37.18 | cbreak | same with portals |
| 21:37.31 | cbreak | why should they benefit from me being a mage? |
| 21:37.37 | Dagmar | The screaming is WILDLY disproportional to how much they could possibly be discomfited by this |
| 21:37.59 | Dagmar | You would honestly think they were submitting to involuntary sodomy on demand by group members |
| 21:39.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: interestingly, i think the "they shouldn't benefit from my tradeskill" pretty much runs counter to how blizz wants the game played |
| 21:39.25 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Right there is a _huge_ reason I think the argument is bullshit |
| 21:39.58 | Dagmar | Mainly I'm shocked that the complainers can actually be so selfish as to make demands of this type, being that everyone, including themselves, will be coming out ahead because of the change |
| 21:40.11 | foxlit | "including themselves" is complete bullshit. |
| 21:40.21 | cbreak | time is money |
| 21:40.33 | cbreak | they save a lot of time disenchanting and then distributing the materials |
| 21:40.35 | foxlit | "the vast majority," perhaps. |
| 21:40.48 | foxlit | All of a minute, cbreak. |
| 21:40.56 | Dagmar | 1. They don't have to click to DE it |
| 21:41.08 | Dagmar | 2. No more shadowy accusations of ninjaing or bad bookkeeping |
| 21:41.20 | Dagmar | 3. Their presence can be of benefit |
| 21:41.24 | cbreak | 1 minute of wow costs 15/(60*24*30)⬠or something |
| 21:41.39 | Larry | lol with the new patch the only problem is cross realm ninjaing! |
| 21:41.56 | foxlit | Dagmar: none of those are particularly interesting. |
| 21:41.59 | Larry | only now you cant whisper the person after they ninja |
| 21:42.01 | Larry | :S |
| 21:42.02 | bleeter | mime is money |
| 21:42.13 | Dagmar | foxlit: ...and exactly how is them not having to click on anything bad? |
| 21:42.30 | cbreak | pretends to touch an invisible wall |
| 21:42.46 | foxlit | Dagmar: it's not. |
| 21:42.51 | Dagmar | So then there's no problem |
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| 21:43.14 | cbreak | The real problem are the people who demand me to summon a Food Table. |
| 21:43.14 | cbreak | disenchanters should just stop whining |
| 21:43.14 | foxlit | The "problem" is the impending drop in enchanting material prices. |
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| 21:43.14 | Dagmar | ...and their complaints are just a smokescreen to cover for the end of Casual Ninja Days at the raid queue |
| 21:43.17 | bleeter | hey, with BNet and 4.0+ will we be able to whisper random's cross realm (to Larry's point)? |
| 21:43.19 | cbreak | I have to PAY for the reagents |
| 21:43.29 | Dagmar | Yeah, lower prices is just freaking terrible |
| 21:43.37 | nevcairiel | I pay for reagents to buff you, too :P |
| 21:43.46 | Dagmar | Why don't you just go ahead and argue that the entire game should be based on a system of communism while you're at it |
| 21:43.52 | bleeter | I can't recall if that was specifically mentioned at BlizzCon, so many years ago hahahaha |
| 21:44.00 | nevcairiel | the real suckers are warriors that dont buff or do anything useful =P |
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| 21:44.12 | foxlit | Dagmar: because I'm not interested in that. |
| 21:44.18 | Dagmar | Yeah those damn warriors are just a buncha leeches |
| 21:44.31 | Dagmar | foxlit: Yet you want price controls? |
| 21:44.43 | foxlit | Dagmar: I'm not sure where you're reading that from. |
| 21:44.52 | Dagmar | Don't you watch the press? Price controls nd government intervention MAKES U COMMUINIST! |
| 21:45.04 | cbreak | EVE Online has free market |
| 21:45.08 | cbreak | I don't like it at all |
| 21:45.11 | Kraps | is the trailer out yet? |
| 21:45.17 | AbsolutRayne | ZzZz |
| 21:45.20 | Dagmar | I'm sure they wouldn't throw a fit about materials costs going down |
| 21:45.25 | Larry | lol wow, now im stuck on connecting |
| 21:45.31 | bleeter | is this where I make URMOM jokes? |
| 21:45.32 | Larry | nvm ^^ |
| 21:45.51 | foxlit | Dagmar: Out of interests, should I also be able to roll on any arctic fur, titanium, or frost lotus that people acquire while in dungeons? :) |
| 21:45.54 | foxlit | -s |
| 21:46.06 | cbreak | sure. |
| 21:46.12 | Dagmar | Go right ahead |
| 21:46.18 | Dagmar | Good luck looting it if you're not on the same server |
| 21:46.25 | cbreak | I always ask people if they want a share of the herbs I get |
| 21:46.40 | foxlit | I've never been asked that. Not that there are a lot of flowers around. |
| 21:46.53 | bleeter | weeeed |
| 21:46.56 | cbreak | there were a few in the level 70 days |
| 21:47.23 | Dagmar | I'm sure some of the enchanters are convinced that if they yell loud enough, the de-roll will be removed and they'll be able to argue that they should be just allowed to de all the blues and keep the shards since they can't be traded to people on other servers |
| 21:47.26 | foxlit | Dagmar: surely they can be distributed automatically the same way? |
| 21:47.29 | Dagmar | THAT would be a huge sum right there |
| 21:47.32 | nevcairiel | There is a difference, if i'm a herbalist, my skill is to gather those, if i'm an enchanter, its not my skill to acquire items, i just have the convenience to convert items i did acquire somehow |
| 21:47.35 | foxlit | Nah, I'm under no illusions that'll happen. |
| 21:47.51 | foxlit | I just fine the "ZOMG I'M ENTITLED TO THOSE SHARDS" people annoying. |
| 21:48.23 | foxlit | I'm sure you feel the same way, actually; just with a slightly different twist on entitled. |
| 21:48.30 | AbsolutRayne | ZzZz this is getting boring |
| 21:49.14 | Dagmar | I don't see people complaining about being "entitled" to shards who aren't enchanters |
| 21:49.22 | foxlit | nevcairiel: Is there really? Herbalism converts world map objects into items, enchanting converts items into items. |
| 21:49.24 | schnoggo | Actual dev Q: Best way to a player's realm (another party member) in a cross-realm PUG. |
| 21:49.33 | Dagmar | They definitely seem to be arguing that they're entitled to every shard made, whether they had to click or not |
| 21:49.48 | Kazie | Captain not-so-obvious here ;) .. i have been searching for some time now for a string or alike that would alow me to change the font size of a line.. Like "66666/99999" where 9s would be a lower fontsize/hight. Do you know if such thing even exists? |
| 21:49.57 | nevcairiel | foxlit: i can sell those blue items for money too. A plant you can't pick up and sell without enchanting |
| 21:50.07 | nevcairiel | eh, without herbalism |
| 21:50.20 | Dagmar | It's also easily discoverable using a very obvious set of search terms, or hey... by reading that same page I linked here earlier |
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| 21:50.33 | foxlit | nevcairiel: everyone rolling greed would be roughly equivalent, then. |
| 21:50.51 | schnoggo | uh... how long do plan to keep this ninja/whine discussion going? If more than a couple more minutes, you might want to find a more appropriate channel. |
| 21:51.06 | bleeter | yeah like #wowuiwhine |
| 21:51.10 | foxlit | schnoggo: until you come up with a more interesting topic or we agree on something :) |
| 21:51.15 | nevcairiel | this channel is ever on topic? |
| 21:51.15 | cbreak | It's a very important and existential problem |
| 21:51.17 | foxlit | I'm sure we're wrapping up anyway. |
| 21:51.20 | cbreak | bashing on whiners that is |
| 21:51.26 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: honestly, I would have preferred that they roll-for-de think not be dependant on having an enchanter in the group, and just be a default option |
| 21:51.31 | foxlit | Unless we go into meta-whining about you whining about us whining about other people whining. |
| 21:51.39 | ZorbaBeta | funny, I get a "satchel of helpful goods" for completeing a classic dungeon on my low-level rogue |
| 21:51.40 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder what's in it |
| 21:51.47 | DWSR | foxlit: Can do we meta-wanking? |
| 21:51.49 | schnoggo | What's more interesting than cross-realm PUGs? |
| 21:51.50 | bleeter | well to be fair there's been three or four proper dev questions that have been talked right over the top of |
| 21:51.52 | nevcairiel | ZorbaBeta: probably some cheese |
| 21:51.54 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: I suspect considering the amount of ulterior motivation, the level of whining would be just the same |
| 21:51.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: helpful goods, i'm going to wagert |
| 21:51.58 | ZorbaBeta | probably yeah |
| 21:52.05 | ZorbaBeta | seventeen stacks of alterac swiss |
| 21:52.08 | ZorbaBeta | in every single bag |
| 21:52.12 | Dagmar | "WHY SHOULD PPL BE ALLOUD TO DE IF THEY DONT HAF TEH SKILL?" |
| 21:52.12 | Kandoko | Sigh, they still didn't fix the XML error on the error frame message function :( |
| 21:52.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: probably more, as enchanters get all "omg i'm useless, i'm going to cancel my account and jump off a bridge" |
| 21:52.19 | Dagmar | wahhh wahh wahhh |
| 21:52.50 | ZorbaBeta | I do agree that enchanters got slightly fucked with the disenchanting option, but I think the improvement it'll give to grouping in general is far worth it |
| 21:52.55 | ZorbaBeta | sometimes you just gotta take one for the team |
| 21:53.06 | nevcairiel | like enchanters will accept that |
| 21:53.13 | AbsolutRayne | The option helps against the people who are shady as hell that DE things without mention. |
| 21:53.13 | ZorbaBeta | even if the team if a night elf death knight named "aarthas jenkins" who uses "faggot" like recruits use "sir". |
| 21:53.14 | foxlit | It's entirely acceptable. |
| 21:53.17 | AbsolutRayne | Its really as simple as that. |
| 21:53.22 | AbsolutRayne | And it doesnt need to go past that. |
| 21:54.11 | NightHawkTheSane | It wouldn't surprise me if you see enchanters start needing on everything, though |
| 21:54.18 | NightHawkTheSane | (well, everything they can) |
| 21:54.40 | nevcairiel | whats the loot mode in those ? need before greed or plain group roll? |
| 21:54.42 | foxlit | Meh, I don't think it'll get that far. |
| 21:54.42 | bleeter | god this is terrible.. there's been three or four serious dev q's and you regs have just talked yap yap yap right over the top. bunch of dicks |
| 21:54.49 | foxlit | nevcairiel: the former. |
| 21:54.51 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: need before greed, but it's been modified |
| 21:55.03 | NightHawkTheSane | so it doesn suck quite as much as it has |
| 21:55.09 | bleeter | s/talked/bitched, moaned and whined/g |
| 21:55.14 | bleeter | where are the # mods? |
| 21:55.22 | foxlit | basically, you can only N on your primary armor type. |
| 21:55.39 | bleeter | lol Shirik|AFK |
| 21:55.52 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: i think there's some stuff to prevent rogues from rolling on spell power gear, and other similar things as well |
| 21:55.55 | bleeter | and I thought Nechckn was the chicken :P |
| 21:55.55 | schnoggo | sokay - foxlit is always OT. Just surprised this particular yammer is going on so long when we have actual work to do. |
| 21:56.00 | nevcairiel | foxlit: ah so not every-armor for warriors anymore |
| 21:56.25 | bleeter | schnoggo: it's like every troll, people keep on feeding it |
| 21:56.28 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: yeah, basically |
| 21:56.41 | foxlit | Hey, get off my bridge, schnoggo. |
| 21:56.54 | Nechckn | bawks |
| 21:56.55 | NightHawkTheSane | has actual work to do too, but none of it relates to wow... |
| 21:56.59 | NightHawkTheSane | is procrastinating |
| 21:57.32 | bleeter | heh have the WoW US Forums died in the arse, too? |
| 21:57.53 | AbsolutRayne | Yeah |
| 21:58.50 | AbsolutRayne | Fine by me. my cats playing the headbutting game,so it takes me away from the level of stupidity on the forums atm |
| 21:58.52 | AbsolutRayne | :3 |
| 21:58.53 | NightHawkTheSane | probably for the best. |
| 22:00.08 | AbsolutRayne | Fixed male cats are so lovable...perhaps too lovable... |
| 22:00.35 | schnoggo | no stupidity on forums right now. They are down |
| 22:00.42 | ZorbaBeta | hey is anyone here a rogue? which weapon am I supposed to have instant poison on and which weapon am I supposed to have deadly poison on? :D |
| 22:01.07 | AbsolutRayne | IP MH, DP OH as Mut |
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| 22:01.33 | AbsolutRayne | As far as Combat goes, Im not sure. I plan on murdering a target dummy for at least an hour today to find out |
| 22:01.36 | ZorbaBeta | I think it's supposedly the same for all specs, isn't it? (my spec is level 42 combat :P) |
| 22:01.59 | AbsolutRayne | Combat benefits from WP a lot more, especially with a slow MH |
| 22:02.17 | AbsolutRayne | Or at least it did, dunno about now |
| 22:02.20 | ZorbaBeta | "PvE: Instant mainhand, deadly offhand, regardless of spec." this is what I am going to trust |
| 22:02.32 | AbsolutRayne | H'okay |
| 22:02.49 | Dagmar | Poo on a stick when no one's looking |
| 22:02.57 | NightHawkTheSane | I've heard that if you dont have imp poisons, or whatever, it's Wound/Deadly |
| 22:03.00 | DWSR | Cna anyone else in the US login atm |
| 22:03.04 | AbsolutRayne | No |
| 22:03.09 | Dagmar | I can't. |
| 22:03.11 | NightHawkTheSane | but, i'm not up to date with the latest rogue maths |
| 22:03.14 | Dagmar | ...but then, I'm at the office. |
| 22:05.04 | cog|work | wtb "Keep enabled after patches" check box under "Load out of date AddOns" |
| 22:05.21 | cog|work | plagiarizes tekkub |
| 22:07.04 | DWSR | wtb realms accepting connections now that they're up |
| 22:07.07 | AbsolutRayne | The Down for Maintenance thing is up on the Forums now |
| 22:07.27 | cog|work | Cross-realm dungeon finder: bringing PUGs to a whole new level of unaccountable idiocy |
| 22:07.37 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: Well, the account login servers are up. The fucking realms won't accept connections though |
| 22:07.52 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: I. know. this. |
| 22:08.00 | DWSR | No. |
| 22:08.01 | DWSR | You don't. |
| 22:08.06 | tekkub | so cog, you up for inciting an addon developer riot? |
| 22:08.11 | schnoggo | some realms are showing up but now actually allowing connections. |
| 22:08.15 | DWSR | tekkub: What reason? |
| 22:08.16 | tekkub | I think 5 years of TOC number bullshit is enough |
| 22:08.20 | DWSR | schnoggo: s/some/all/ |
| 22:08.22 | cog|work | tekkub: i'm not an addon developer :3 |
| 22:08.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm up for a good riot. |
| 22:08.35 | tekkub | cog|work: doesn't mean you can't incite with me |
| 22:08.45 | tekkub | DWSR: to stop disabling outdated every patch |
| 22:08.50 | tekkub | just a user option next to it |
| 22:09.24 | schnoggo | DWSR: 1)not all realms are showing active. 2)I haven't tried to log into every realm. :p |
| 22:09.33 | Yssaril | agreed they should just pop up a dialog asking if you want to disable outdated addons after each patch |
| 22:09.40 | DWSR | schnoggo: All of the ones I've tried (I'm going down the list) just insta DC |
| 22:10.19 | AbsolutRayne | Well that was wierd, I went to change my Realm and WoW locked up and crashe. |
| 22:10.21 | AbsolutRayne | +d |
| 22:10.22 | Dagmar | Hmm... Looks like the ID label on the back of my authenticator is a laminated label isntead of just printed like the ones my co-workers have |
| 22:10.24 | Dagmar | Someone's paying attention |
| 22:10.27 | Dagmar | That's good. |
| 22:10.57 | ZorbaBeta | mine's laminated too, though the lamination is slowly being beaten off |
| 22:10.59 | ZorbaBeta | yes, that's right |
| 22:11.05 | ZorbaBeta | I beat off my authenticator |
| 22:11.06 | ZorbaBeta | you heard me |
| 22:11.09 | AbsolutRayne | Forums are back up! \o/ |
| 22:11.10 | NightHawkTheSane | bah. >< wtb freaking android authenticator app... |
| 22:11.18 | cog|work | ^ |
| 22:11.20 | Dagmar | Well, Wilpig's went pretty much blank in _days_ due to his greasy fingers |
| 22:11.48 | ZorbaBeta | ouch |
| 22:11.52 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, mine's lasted like a year so far |
| 22:11.53 | tekkub | Yssaril: the though was not to activly ask the user to do it, since blizzy seems to think the user is an idiot and they need to protect them from us |
| 22:12.09 | tekkub | instead, just give a way for smart users to disable that icky "feature" |
| 22:12.10 | ZorbaBeta | although my last digit is getting worn off |
| 22:12.13 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: well, they might need protection from YOU :P |
| 22:12.13 | ZorbaBeta | maybe I should write it down |
| 22:12.27 | foxlit | tekkub: smart users could write a batch file to run post-patch :) |
| 22:12.34 | AbsolutRayne | Mine isnt even on my Keychain. I have a tac on the corner of my desk that holds it. |
| 22:12.36 | foxlit | Though perhaps s/smart users/developers/ |
| 22:12.39 | tekkub | you still have to remember to run it |
| 22:12.44 | tekkub | which is the core problem |
| 22:12.46 | AbsolutRayne | My cat occasionally plays with it and tries to knock it off, to no avail. |
| 22:12.51 | tekkub | I always forget to go re-check that |
| 22:13.04 | tekkub | besides, if I choose to check that, it shouldn't uncheck itself |
| 22:13.08 | foxlit | Wonder if you could just write-protect config.wtf |
| 22:13.23 | tekkub | config that makes decisions in contrary to tthe user's decisions == bad |
| 22:13.46 | tekkub | what if you want things written into WTF though? |
| 22:14.56 | foxlit | Then you have problems. You're right, them explicitly allowing you to specify the desired behavior is a lot cleaner. |
| 22:15.23 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.26 | Fisker | Shirik :(! |
| 22:16.14 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:17.17 | AbsolutRayne | Think I might go cook some chicken nuggets or something. friggin starving now |
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| 22:20.02 | Kandoko | Bit late but with the change to deadly posion Combat rogues want instant posion MH |
| 22:20.15 | cog|work | hai Sixen |
| 22:20.18 | Kandoko | Would was only better because of its much higher proc rate |
| 22:20.20 | ZorbaBeta | goddamn, I pushed the "find dungeon group" button on my lv42 rogue, then realized I was in the middle of making food and wanted to leave the queue |
| 22:20.22 | Rawrkitty | would blizzard ever ban solely off of third party evidence/reports and/or accept third party reports? |
| 22:20.23 | Kandoko | *Wound |
| 22:20.26 | ZorbaBeta | before I could click "leave queue" it had found me a group |
| 22:20.40 | Sixen | hai2u cog |
| 22:20.43 | Sixen | Long time no see :D |
| 22:21.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: so, it works fast, then, yes? :P |
| 22:21.13 | ZorbaBeta | nighthawk, ridiculously so |
| 22:21.25 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: although, the speed of it is likely due to lots of people being "ooh shiny". in a month or two, we'll see how speedy it is then |
| 22:21.31 | ZorbaBeta | I don't know how much of that is thanks to it being patch day, but it's not like lv42 is a red-hot zone for people to do instances anyway |
| 22:21.39 | NightHawkTheSane | also true |
| 22:21.47 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* like i said, i think time will tell |
| 22:21.48 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, honestly, I'll be happy if it can find me a group within 10 minutes normally |
| 22:21.50 | NightHawkTheSane | that's a good sign, though |
| 22:22.04 | ZorbaBeta | and with that kind of speed, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it could. |
| 22:22.14 | ZorbaBeta | I want to see what's in this satchel of helpful goods >:( |
| 22:22.29 | NightHawkTheSane | helpful goods, no doubt. |
| 22:22.30 | ZorbaBeta | it's taunting me |
| 22:22.33 | ZorbaBeta | *taunting* me |
| 22:22.49 | Lunessa | I want a satchel of helpful goods! It should include Cairenn|afk's phone number and motel reservations. :P |
| 22:23.06 | ZorbaBeta | oh, and note that I'm a rogue, so, DPS-only. it'll be presumably easier for classes with more than one ability. |
| 22:23.15 | Lunessa | waits for the kick/ban |
| 22:23.21 | Kazie | When i use string.sub(s) how do i make it write "..." after if the string exceeds max characters? |
| 22:23.43 | ZorbaBeta | kazie, you check to see if it was too long, and you add a "..." if the string exceeded max characters. |
| 22:24.19 | Kazie | Yea i already placed a "if (string.len(s) > 10) then" .. but i don't nkow how to add the ... :) |
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| 22:24.45 | Shirik | use the .. operator |
| 22:25.06 | Kandoko | .."..." |
| 22:25.09 | Shirik | !api 2.5.4 |
| 22:25.09 | lua_bot | Lua Reference Manual: 'Concatenation' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.4 |
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| 22:30.57 | Kazie | Thanks :P |
| 22:34.33 | cog|work | bleeter: lol |
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| 22:35.05 | bleeter | cog|work: :) |
| 22:35.34 | cog|work | in all fairness, she WAS responding to something different than the global warming threads, but still... the worst i said about her was that she was immature and irrational >< |
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| 22:36.49 | ZorbaBeta | awesome, I seem to have found a bugged quest :( |
| 22:37.10 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i still can not get in :( |
| 22:37.57 | Shirik | ZorbaBeta, stop breaking things |
| 22:38.00 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: You are banned |
| 22:38.41 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: doesit it say something like "this accnt. is %)(*)($# stop trying to log in" |
| 22:38.47 | ZorbaBeta | no, *you're* banned |
| 22:38.56 | ZorbaBeta | the whole freakin' *system* is banned |
| 22:39.09 | Shirik | I banned Blizzard from WoW |
| 22:39.20 | Pytlask | ZorbaBeta: lol nice. New quest or old quest? |
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| 22:39.58 | ZorbaBeta | old quest, on my lv42 rogue |
| 22:40.24 | ZorbaBeta | the one in dustwallow where you're sucking up black dragon souls. it won't acknowledge the corpses as being valid targets :( |
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| 22:47.44 | schnoggo | forums back up |
| 22:47.52 | Kandoko | Servers arnt |
| 22:48.10 | Kandoko | Still unable to connect to the bastards :) Thou a few I know are in |
| 22:51.12 | Shirik | are servers really still down? I haven't been paying attention |
| 22:51.25 | AbsolutRayne | Theyre not down, just people cant connect to them |
| 22:51.34 | AbsolutRayne | Itll try to log in, then immediatly DC you |
| 22:52.09 | Kandoko | So you get to play drain the authenticator battery shuffle |
| 22:52.29 | AbsolutRayne | Ive been trying about every 5 mins, rather than constantly |
| 22:52.38 | Gryphon | I've been in for a little more than an hour and a half. |
| 22:52.56 | AbsolutRayne | Gonna go back to Civ4 for the time being |
| 22:53.21 | Kandoko | click login...wait 1-5 min...click enter authinticator..wait 1-5 min... select server...wait 1- 5 min. Click OK to the "ypu have been disconnected" reapeat |
| 22:53.22 | ZorbaBeta | alright, my second attempt at LFD is taking longer |
| 22:53.40 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 22:53.44 | Fisker | i did it |
| 22:55.23 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> did Gryphon just say something that wasn't a scripted response? |
| 22:55.31 | Gryphon | Nope |
| 22:55.37 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, whew. |
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| 22:58.25 | ZorbaBeta | hah, nice, you get a stat bonus for using the dungeon tool |
| 22:58.39 | Pytlask | Zorba: Probably doesn't help that nobody can log in right now :( |
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| 23:00.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: wha? |
| 23:00.23 | Kraps | http://www.cad-comic.com/sillies/ |
| 23:02.27 | ZorbaBeta | nighthawk, 5% dmg/heal/health bonus |
| 23:02.48 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 23:02.49 | Fisker | No. |
| 23:03.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: as a buff/aura thing during the instance when you use the tool? |
| 23:03.26 | Kraps | Fisker: try to be unpredictable for a change |
| 23:03.41 | ZorbaBeta | nighthawk, yeah, party-wide aura |
| 23:03.41 | Fisker | Sorry Kraps i'll try harder |
| 23:03.47 | NightHawkTheSane | thats pretty badass |
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| 23:08.11 | Fisker | pwnt Kraps |
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| 23:10.52 | Fisker | ooh |
| 23:10.56 | Fisker | pet for authenticator users |
| 23:10.59 | Shirik | Kraps: "STOP TAKING THESE WRIGHTING OFF DO NOT EVER AGANI!!!!! AND U ARE A BOOGGEERR" |
| 23:11.05 | Fisker | in b4 "OMG BLIZZ THIS ISN'T FAAAAAAIR" |
| 23:11.07 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: what the fuck is wrong with those people... |
| 23:11.40 | cog|work | jnwhiteh: american conservatism, imo. |
| 23:12.14 | jnwhiteh | its worst than that. |
| 23:12.27 | Kraps | Shirik: what |
| 23:12.28 | jnwhiteh | i'm going to copenhagen next week |
| 23:12.32 | jnwhiteh | but NOT for the climate conference |
| 23:12.37 | jnwhiteh | I may stab someone while I'm there, I'm afraid |
| 23:12.46 | cog|work | XD |
| 23:12.50 | Shirik | Kraps: Something someone wrote after being reverted :) |
| 23:12.55 | Shirik | he called me a booger |
| 23:12.59 | Shirik | That's a definite first |
| 23:13.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: booger. |
| 23:15.44 | WobWork | Fisker: a pet for those who use the authenticator? What is it... porcupine? Armadillo? |
| 23:15.59 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane, you are just a copycat :P |
| 23:16.11 | Shirik | WobWork, seriously? |
| 23:16.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: true. :( |
| 23:16.28 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (n=tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 23:16.35 | Shirik | true @ what I said to you or to WobWork? |
| 23:16.36 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: core hound pup, i think? |
| 23:16.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: both! |
| 23:16.48 | Shirik | hawt |
| 23:16.51 | Shirik | how to get free pet plz |
| 23:17.00 | NightHawkTheSane | that might convince me to buy an authenticator |
| 23:17.04 | Torhal | rawr |
| 23:17.05 | Shadowed | You need to attach an authenticator to your account |
| 23:17.09 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 23:17.12 | Shadowed | but as far as I know, you can attach then deattach and still get pet |
| 23:17.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowed: i thought i saw where people who already had would still get it |
| 23:17.33 | Torhal | They should |
| 23:17.35 | AbsolutRayne | Any luck on logging in guys? |
| 23:17.39 | Torhal | Nope |
| 23:17.50 | Kazie | Is it possible to use FontString:SetTextHeight(height) if i want to Like say i have "race class" and i want to make the class text bigger than race? |
| 23:18.02 | Torhal | I see "Connecting to server." and then "Success!" and then "You have been disconnected from the server." |
| 23:18.04 | NightHawkTheSane | course, i'm still going to bitch that there's no android mobile authenticator. |
| 23:18.11 | Shirik | Shadowed: I has authenticator! |
| 23:18.17 | Shadowed | ah |
| 23:18.19 | Shadowed | login then |
| 23:18.23 | Shirik | I CANNOT |
| 23:18.33 | Shadowed | Welp you are screwed! |
| 23:18.50 | Jerub | I LOVE THREE POINT THREE |
| 23:18.59 | Shirik | it is of not fair |
| 23:19.34 | Jerub | also, my wife can't login to her account at the moment |
| 23:19.44 | Rawrkitty | ya is anyone getting "Unable To Connect"? |
| 23:19.57 | Jerub | she gets instant d-c'd. |
| 23:20.04 | durcyn | auth is toast, don't log out |
| 23:20.36 | Shirik | I BLAME SHADOWED |
| 23:20.40 | Shirik | HE IS TRYING TO DENY ME OF MY PET |
| 23:20.45 | NightHawkTheSane | it's true |
| 23:20.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i paid him to do it. |
| 23:20.48 | Shirik | he dossed the login server |
| 23:20.49 | Shadowed | Yes |
| 23:20.53 | Shadowed | more core hound pets for me |
| 23:20.54 | Shadowed | you sucker |
| 23:21.08 | Arrowmaster | i want one |
| 23:21.13 | Fisker | locks Shirik up in a dungeon |
| 23:21.17 | Arrowmaster | wonders why the fuck his account is still active |
| 23:21.44 | Shirik | locks Fisker in the dungeon with him |
| 23:21.49 | Shirik | grins wickedly at Fisker |
| 23:22.08 | NightHawkTheSane | nukes the dungeon from orbit |
| 23:22.33 | Arrowmaster | good movie |
| 23:22.59 | Thunder_Child | hits the nuke with an EMP |
| 23:23.00 | DWSR | So now the login servers are all down? |
| 23:23.09 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Someone hacked it, paid for it, and didn't change the password. They secretly have toons on a dozen servers with 450 in all tradeskills. |
| 23:23.36 | Fisker | makes out with Shirik |
| 23:24.10 | schnoggo | anyone working with cross-realm PUGs yet? Still can't log in. When someone chats in /party is there name showing up in the Battleground format like myname-myrealm or does it just show the player name? |
| 23:24.22 | schnoggo | there = their |
| 23:24.42 | Kazie | schnoggo: sorry mate, not getting patched untill tomorrow :) |
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| 23:27.07 | Rawrkitty | is anyone else getting "Unable to Connect"? |
| 23:27.13 | DWSR | yes |
| 23:27.14 | DWSR | Everyone. |
| 23:27.17 | DWSR | LOGINS BROKED |
| 23:27.20 | DWSR | DON'T LOGOUT N SHIT |
| 23:27.31 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
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| 23:27.40 | Fisker | why does my wow say it's unable to validate game version? |
| 23:27.50 | Shirik | Because you haxed the game and aren't Mr. T |
| 23:27.53 | Lopeppeppy | That's hateful, Fisker! *hug* |
| 23:28.08 | Lopeppeppy | Is there a patch mirror anyone recommends? Downloading is very fail for me right now. |
| 23:28.13 | Jerub | also, forums down. |
| 23:28.21 | Fisker | a.wirebrain.de/wow |
| 23:28.21 | Jerub | also, HOW FREAKING GOOD IS CROSS REALM LFG |
| 23:28.24 | Fisker | also preloads Lopeppeppy |
| 23:28.26 | Fisker | PRELOOOOOOOADS |
| 23:28.44 | Lopeppeppy | preloads? |
| 23:29.39 | DWSR | preloads |
| 23:29.45 | Shirik | preloads Lopeppeppy |
| 23:29.52 | Fisker | i'm killing you |
| 23:29.55 | Lopeppeppy | That sounds painful. |
| 23:30.21 | Fisker | not nessecarily |
| 23:33.29 | Sixen | Hai peppy! |
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| 23:34.02 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Sixen. How's tricks? |
| 23:35.41 | Sixen | Hehe |
| 23:35.52 | Sixen | How yah been? |
| 23:36.17 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, hangin' in there, beating my computer with a stick because it thinks it's firewalled. |
| 23:36.44 | Sixen | Ouch, :(. Check your router, :p. |
| 23:36.55 | Lopeppeppy | Is not. Trust me. |
| 23:37.19 | Lopeppeppy | I will let it be "firewalled" and download the patch overnight. Stupid thing. |
| 23:37.34 | Sixen | =/ |
| 23:37.39 | Sixen | Admin mode? |
| 23:37.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 23:38.14 | Sixen | Odd. Do you have any disabled firewalls? |
| 23:38.16 | Jerub | so i did a random dungeon earlier. |
| 23:38.20 | batrick | so has anyone else had shit tons of problems with getting 3.3 to work with wine? |
| 23:38.22 | Lopeppeppy | It's no worries, the servers are always unstable enough on patch day that I never try to play anyway. |
| 23:38.23 | Jerub | is it normal for it to take only 4 seconds to get a group? |
| 23:38.39 | Lopeppeppy | Jerub, I think people are aggressively trying the new tool. :) |
| 23:38.44 | foxlit | "Normal" is anybody's guess. |
| 23:38.46 | Sixen | hehe, OK. Sorry, I frequent tech, so just slipped into my "tech halp" mode. |
| 23:38.48 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: it is on the first day when everyone is trying to test it out |
| 23:38.49 | foxlit | They intend it to be quick, however. |
| 23:39.18 | jnwhiteh | Does someone here have a Clique config with helpful/harmful buttons |
| 23:39.23 | jnwhiteh | if so, could you PLEASE pastey the sv fo rme? |
| 23:39.47 | Thunder_Child | jnwhiteh: one or the other, or both? |
| 23:39.52 | jnwhiteh | both if possible |
| 23:39.54 | jnwhiteh | one if only |
| 23:39.57 | bleeter | omg Sixen hai! |
| 23:40.02 | Sixen | BLEETZ |
| 23:40.02 | Sixen | :D |
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| 23:40.16 | Sixen | I've been logged in this whole time. Just afk forever. |
| 23:40.44 | cog|work | I feel so special. I actually said hi when you logged in. |
| 23:40.47 | cog|work | :P |
| 23:40.51 | Sixen | <3 |
| 23:40.56 | bleeter | :P |
| 23:41.00 | Sixen | How you been guys? |
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| 23:41.13 | bleeter | gah stupid game, 'unable to connect' blah blah lol |
| 23:41.18 | Sixen | haha |
| 23:41.21 | Thunder_Child | jnwhiteh: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/129972 will that work? |
| 23:41.26 | bleeter | Sixen: i'd be great if they'd chop off my arms |
| 23:41.34 | bleeter | but they don't want to operate :'( |
| 23:41.36 | Sixen | ARMZ? |
| 23:41.42 | Sixen | BRAINZ. |
| 23:41.50 | Sixen | I think that was the last time I was really *here*. |
| 23:41.50 | bleeter | severe-chronic carpal tunnel |
| 23:41.50 | Sixen | : |
| 23:41.52 | Sixen | :(* |
| 23:42.37 | bleeter | going the injections etc. n hoping for the best, surgeon reckons i'm high risk operation.. teh suxor :( |
| 23:42.56 | Sixen | wait |
| 23:42.58 | Sixen | what? |
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| 23:45.05 | bleeter | WUT |
| 23:45.21 | Sixen | =/ |
| 23:45.28 | jnwhiteh | Thunder_Child: no, those are all defined in the "default" click-set =/ |
| 23:45.47 | bleeter | run risk of losing more hand usage if operates to releive current condition |
| 23:45.50 | Kraps | trailers out |
| 23:46.14 | Kandoko | bleeter: Hrm, I remember hearing about a treatment where they ran a balloon into the wrish and expanded the cartilage to help relive pressure. Not sure if it was at the clinical trials stage or not thou |
| 23:46.29 | Sixen | :( |
| 23:48.47 | bleeter | Kandoko: a lot of it's genetic issues with me, the way the ligament's laying across the cartilidge, the way all my ligaments are stiffening up as I pass in to middle age |
| 23:49.15 | Kandoko | Ah, simple solution Stop getting older |
| 23:49.21 | Kandoko | :( |
| 23:49.43 | bleeter | 'yes, you're like one of those sports folks who kept going until they're 40 because of super genes, and then the whole body collapsed because of super genes' |
| 23:49.49 | bleeter | to paraphrase my surgeon |
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| 23:50.08 | bleeter | lol |
| 23:50.13 | Amarande | Any of you actually able to log on yet? |
| 23:50.19 | Amarande | or is the login server busted? |
| 23:50.24 | batrick | Amarande: no :( |
| 23:50.31 | bleeter | Cide bustinated it |
| 23:50.38 | batrick | blizzard rly sucks at this |
| 23:50.58 | ZorbaBeta | I just finished a LFG dungeon :P |
| 23:51.00 | Jerub | yeah |
| 23:51.04 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: I did one earlier. |
| 23:51.09 | ZorbaBeta | went pretty well |
| 23:51.09 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: it's awesome isn't it :) |
| 23:51.14 | ZorbaBeta | one douche who got booted and we 4-manned it |
| 23:51.17 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: how long did it take to get a group? |
| 23:51.23 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, maybe ten minutes |
| 23:51.29 | Amarande | Zorba: how long did it take you to get on the server? |
| 23:51.29 | Jerub | oooh, interesting. |
| 23:51.30 | WobWork | cog|work: jesus |
| 23:51.35 | WobWork | cog|work: crazies on the internet |
| 23:51.37 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: it took me about 4 seconds. |
| 23:51.46 | Amarande | I'm getting "unable to connect" when I type in my username and password |
| 23:51.48 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, once my server came up, it took about five minutes for me to finish logging in |
| 23:51.49 | WobWork | cog|work: (just skimming over your FB battle) |
| 23:51.51 | ZorbaBeta | but I haven't gotten disconnected |
| 23:51.52 | batrick | i guess this also means alts can finally find groups for oldschool dungeons |
| 23:51.55 | Amarande | don't tell me. |
| 23:51.58 | ZorbaBeta | note that I'm not backing out to the username entry page right now |
| 23:52.03 | Amarande | if you logged off and the server you last used is down |
| 23:52.06 | ZorbaBeta | batrick, it was, in fact, maraudon orange |
| 23:52.08 | Amarande | you can't log on at all? |
| 23:52.12 | bleeter | sounds like that some people are in, but login's down |
| 23:52.23 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, what level were you? I was at 42 (43 now) |
| 23:52.34 | Kazie | FontString:SetFont("Fonts\\FRIZQT__.TTF", 11, "OUTLINE, MONOCHROME") <-- can this be used only with the font size stuff? |
| 23:52.36 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: oh wow, i was doing a heroic. |
| 23:52.42 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I imagine that's the difference |
| 23:52.44 | Amarande | Zorba: good grief, it's the first day and you -already- used vote kick? :| |
| 23:52.45 | Jerub | heh |
| 23:52.46 | Jerub | yeah |
| 23:52.51 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, yep! :D |
| 23:52.56 | ZorbaBeta | couldn't have happened to a more deserving player |
| 23:53.07 | Jerub | i got in, checked the gear of the healer, then chain pulled through hol without stopping |
| 23:53.11 | ZorbaBeta | a ret pally who refused to turn his bonus-threat ability off |
| 23:53.25 | bleeter | hey, do pre-existing Authenticator folks get the puppy? |
| 23:53.28 | NightHawkTheSane | hah. |
| 23:53.32 | ZorbaBeta | then did the whole you-guys-must-be-50-year-old-virgin-geeks-because-you-are-capable-of-comprehending-basic-English thing |
| 23:53.33 | Jerub | one of the guys basically said he'd never been in such a non-fail group because his server is too low population to have good heroic dungeon runners |
| 23:53.37 | Amarande | you know, I've wondered something about the Authenticator |
| 23:53.48 | Jerub | wait what authenticator thing? |
| 23:54.00 | Amarande | does the Battle.net conversion mean that everyone who had an Authenticator had to buy a new one to work with Battle.net logins instead of regular WoW ones? |
| 23:54.07 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, no |
| 23:54.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: authenticator users get a core houd puppy vanity pet |
| 23:54.10 | ZorbaBeta | it just worked |
| 23:54.10 | bleeter | Amarande: no |
| 23:54.15 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: url? |
| 23:54.22 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: ah so it's retrospective? cool! |
| 23:54.31 | ZorbaBeta | nighthawk, ah, so that's what it is |
| 23:54.36 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: not certain, but i think so |
| 23:54.52 | bleeter | there's be plenty of QQ if it wasn't hehe |
| 23:54.55 | NightHawkTheSane | there was a note about in the @warcraft twitter stream |
| 23:54.56 | ccox | Guess they just came up with a valid reason for getting an authenticator... |
| 23:55.02 | Amarande | Jerub: was your heroic group all wanting to inspect everyone's gearscore or anything like that? |
| 23:55.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: yeah, that kinda convinces me to get one |
| 23:55.08 | ZorbaBeta | ccox, besides "not getting hacked"? :P |
| 23:55.16 | ccox | Zorba - you can get hacked even with one |
| 23:55.27 | Kandoko | Oh server I see servers.. |
| 23:55.28 | ZorbaBeta | ccox, it is far *far* harder |
| 23:55.28 | bleeter | authenticator was bust for a long time, was totally pointless |
| 23:55.46 | bleeter | til somewhere mid 3.1 iirc, maybe 3.2 |
| 23:55.54 | Jerub | Amarande: uh, no, I started pulling literally as soon as i did /inspect and saw more than 2 ilvl 245 pieces of gear. |
| 23:55.54 | ccox | Zorba - I deal with too many security issues to think that those dongles make it that much more secure |
| 23:56.04 | ccox | Zorba - harder, but not hard enough |
| 23:56.25 | bleeter | there is no fool proof system, though |
| 23:56.32 | ccox | Zorba - as long as Blizz has backups IDC |
| 23:56.40 | Jerub | the only reason i inspected was to find out if i was dealing with a newbie healer that i'd have to watch the mana and stuff |
| 23:56.41 | ccox | bleeter - true |
| 23:56.55 | VonhintenHOME` | garona up |
| 23:57.22 | ccox | bleeter: but right now they have too many systems with problems, and the dongle only solves one issue (static PW) |
| 23:57.23 | bleeter | login's working |
| 23:57.33 | ccox | until they solve all the issue, it's still not secure |
| 23:57.48 | Shirik | wtb ability to log in with a cert |
| 23:58.00 | bleeter | Shirik: who's gunna sign my cert? :P |
| 23:58.00 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.02 | Jerub | All Mobile and Blizzard authenticators get one. Also for anyone that adds one. RT @Sanosuku:@Warcraft So do all authenticator users get one? |
| 23:58.22 | jnwhiteh | Clique has been updated with a fix for a bug that's been in for a while |
| 23:58.24 | Shirik | bleeter, an automated process by blizz |
| 23:58.25 | bleeter | Australia Post tried creating personal certs, but got slapped down by Aussie and US sekret servises |
| 23:58.26 | Shirik | very simple |
| 23:58.37 | Shirik | no need to sign it really |
| 23:58.39 | jnwhiteh | anyone who uses it should just test quickly when they get in-game to make sure things are functioning correctly. |
| 23:58.42 | Shirik | I'm just talking about an RSA challenge |
| 23:58.50 | Shirik | I guess "cert" was a poor term |
| 23:59.08 | Shirik | just want pki based auth |
| 23:59.09 | Kraps | epic. it looked like they were setting him up for a redemption trope but it aint so |
| 23:59.11 | foxlit | Shirik: what's teh advantage? |
| 23:59.31 | Shirik | foxlit: security? |
| 23:59.36 | foxlit | Shirik: meh? |
| 23:59.52 | foxlit | You now get to steal a private key file for mad profits. |
| 23:59.59 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: droid has been rooted =) |
