| 00:00.34 | Ginji | I'm bored! |
| 00:02.02 | Ginji | I don't get Adam Young ... "I like to make myself believe that planet earth turns slowly" |
| 00:02.05 | Ginji | It is! |
| 00:02.18 | foxlit | You mean "It does" |
| 00:02.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Ginji: http://www.continuitygame.com/ beat that. |
| 00:02.27 | NightHawkTheSane | define 'slowly' |
| 00:02.47 | Ginji | foxlit: no I don't |
| 00:03.22 | foxlit | Ginji: then I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 00:03.45 | Ginji | I'm not sure what you mean by you're not sure what I mean |
| 00:03.53 | Ginji | s/by/with/ |
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| 00:04.06 | Ginji | Or something |
| 00:04.52 | Ginji | Planet Earth is turning slowly isn't it? |
| 00:05.02 | Thunder_Child | as compared to what? |
| 00:05.26 | foxlit | Grammatically, I'd expect "It does" if you're trying to communicate that |
| 00:05.44 | Ginji | foxlit: why? |
| 00:06.10 | foxlit | Sure, "It is [moving slowly [if you agree with that statement]]", but "It is" just raises "It is... what?" |
| 00:07.00 | Ginji | "It is turning slowly" is what I implied |
| 00:07.20 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: how strange. |
| 00:09.22 | foxlit | Ah. So you can swap the tiles around. Fun. |
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| 00:16.24 | foxlit | Ginji: do a quick calculation to determine the distance you travel in a day due to Earth's rotation around its axis. |
| 00:17.32 | Lopeppeppy | foxlit: http://www.xkcd.com/162/ |
| 00:18.16 | foxlit | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=2+*+Pi+*+radius+of+earth+%2F+24+hours+in+kph -- probably somewhere close to equator, but meh, FAST! |
| 00:20.05 | Ginji | foxlit: 0 |
| 00:20.26 | Ginji | I live at the center of earths' rotational point |
| 00:21.11 | foxlit | Center of a point is pretty awesome. |
| 00:21.49 | Ginji | I know! |
| 00:23.04 | foxlit | So, polar night or polar day? |
| 00:23.50 | Wobin | polar bear? |
| 00:24.04 | foxlit | Or penguins? |
| 00:24.14 | Wobin | depends on which pole |
| 00:24.29 | foxlit | Which brings us back to the original question rather neatly :) |
| 00:25.06 | Wobin | we had an original question? |
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| 00:25.21 | foxlit | We were deciphering what Ginji means by 0. |
| 00:25.22 | airtonix | no |
| 00:25.29 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: the game is pretty cleverly done. not the hardest thing in the world, though (although some of the last handful of levels are rather complex) |
| 00:25.29 | Lopeppeppy | Purple |
| 00:25.31 | Wobin | peers at nobin |
| 00:25.37 | Ginji | What she said |
| 00:25.50 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane, the vertical leaps of faith are annoying |
| 00:25.57 | Wobin | especially when you die |
| 00:26.02 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
| 00:26.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i liked the level that was just three screens, each with a little block of land in one corner, and the key out in the middle of nowhere. ;) |
| 00:26.41 | foxlit | can you pause mid-flight? |
| 00:26.45 | NightHawkTheSane | yep |
| 00:26.52 | NightHawkTheSane | you can hit space and zoom out/pause at any time |
| 00:27.06 | NightHawkTheSane | that's used several times as a necessary tactic |
| 00:28.12 | nobin | peers at wobin |
| 00:32.18 | cogwheel | dum de da |
| 00:32.47 | Lopeppeppy | oh yeah? |
| 00:32.53 | Legorol | hai cogwheel |
| 00:33.03 | cogwheel | *nodmmhmm* |
| 00:33.04 | Legorol | you sparked quite a bit of interest with your Climategate links :) |
| 00:33.05 | cogwheel | hai |
| 00:33.12 | cogwheel | o rly? |
| 00:33.27 | Legorol | so it seems |
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| 00:40.37 | cogwheel | pie. |
| 00:41.06 | Lopeppeppy | I baked cookies, is that good enough? |
| 00:41.35 | foxlit | grrr, pixelmator |
| 00:41.42 | cogwheel | mmm cookies... But really, a friend who was sick on my bday made me a belated pie =) |
| 00:41.49 | foxlit | They actually removed output support for a bunch of formats in an "update" |
| 00:43.37 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, birthday pie! |
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| 00:54.45 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5419298/hey-stop-blaming-the-australian-governmentpeople-for-banning-games |
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| 00:56.31 | Wobin | thank you Kraps |
| 00:56.42 | Kraps | np :) |
| 00:57.01 | Wobin | now all you forners can properly understand our frustrations =P |
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| 00:58.30 | nevcairiel | that guy that is against it, is part of the government, yes? |
| 00:58.35 | nevcairiel | so the government is to blame. |
| 00:58.43 | nevcairiel | long text simplified :PÃ |
| 00:58.45 | nevcairiel | -Ã |
| 00:59.46 | foxlit | uumlaut? |
| 01:00.14 | nevcairiel | its next to the P and i'm getting tired |
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| 01:02.04 | foxlit | More seriously, though, it's a subtle difference between "Well, there is that one idiot in government" and "The Government Is Against Violence In Games" |
| 01:02.42 | nevcairiel | If one idiot in the government can block a whole process like that, something is wrong |
| 01:04.46 | Wobin | nevcairiel, then -everyone- is to blame |
| 01:04.53 | Wobin | for voting that form of government in |
| 01:04.57 | Wobin | in fact -you're- to blame too |
| 01:05.07 | Wobin | for living in a world where such a form of government exists |
| 01:05.09 | Wobin | Damn you nev. |
| 01:05.11 | Wobin | Damn you. |
| 01:05.39 | nevcairiel | Who designs a constituion where a simple change like that requires a 100% vote? |
| 01:06.43 | foxlit | One has to wonder if the australian constitution(?) is really designed like that. |
| 01:07.28 | nevcairiel | Its already kinda curious that those ratings are so deep in the law |
| 01:07.43 | nevcairiel | I believe here it just says that we have a classification thing |
| 01:07.51 | nevcairiel | and they decide how to handle that |
| 01:08.13 | nevcairiel | looks for the law |
| 01:10.45 | nevcairiel | hm nah they even list the age groups |
| 01:11.25 | nevcairiel | but changing would be easier |
| 01:11.51 | foxlit | I'd imagine the six attorneys can get together and get a law revoked/ammended |
| 01:12.00 | foxlit | But shouldn't the parliament be able to do the same thing? |
| 01:13.01 | nevcairiel | I suppose if they could, they would've at least tried and mentioned it in that article |
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| 01:15.11 | Corrodias | goes right on pointing the fingure at australian government |
| 01:15.14 | Corrodias | *finger |
| 01:17.49 | nevcairiel | Wobin: did i read that right that you even have a 18+ rating for movies, just not for games? |
| 01:18.00 | Wobin | yes |
| 01:18.09 | nevcairiel | that doesnt make sense :P |
| 01:18.25 | Wobin | Also, the State Attorney General is not elected by the people |
| 01:18.33 | nevcairiel | movies are generally much more visually violent then games |
| 01:18.36 | Wobin | s/he is elected by the party in power for that area |
| 01:19.09 | Dagmar | What I find interesting is that you can buy porno there, but a game that doesn't get a rating is somehow worse |
| 01:20.09 | Corrodias | i'm not sure what the problem is of that person who wrote that article |
| 01:20.10 | Wobin | heh |
| 01:20.18 | Wobin | porno and fireworks |
| 01:20.22 | Corrodias | we whouldn't blame the government for being flawed? |
| 01:20.23 | Wobin | legal in the one state |
| 01:20.32 | Wobin | the state that is the capital city |
| 01:20.44 | Corrodias | i think i'm going to continue to blame it, despite his wishes that i pretend that things are sunshine and roses |
| 01:20.56 | Wobin | oh we're not saying don't blame someone |
| 01:21.03 | nevcairiel | no fireworks in other states, even for new years? |
| 01:21.06 | Wobin | just informing people of who -is- to blame |
| 01:21.12 | Wobin | nevcairiel, not without a licence |
| 01:21.18 | Wobin | cause honestly? |
| 01:21.28 | Wobin | New Years Eve usually hits around 35 |
| 01:21.29 | Corrodias | who is to blame is, well, everyone. it's not that easy to make a major change to a government. |
| 01:21.39 | foxlit | Corrodias: I believe it's more of an objection to "zomg nanny government!" |
| 01:21.40 | Wobin | and any fuckwit that puts fireworks out |
| 01:21.41 | Corrodias | everyone and noone |
| 01:21.47 | Wobin | is more likely to start a fire |
| 01:21.56 | nevcairiel | hm right, didnt think about that |
| 01:22.00 | nevcairiel | makes somewhat sense |
| 01:22.03 | Corrodias | foxlit: that wouldn't be the same nanny government involved in internet filtering, would it? |
| 01:22.03 | Dagmar | Hmm..yes... mostly desertish |
| 01:22.04 | foxlit | one that responds with "No, just a conservative idiot" |
| 01:22.18 | Wobin | The legal fireworks for NYE are directly over the harbour |
| 01:22.22 | Wobin | or on water |
| 01:22.28 | Wobin | so less of a risk |
| 01:22.57 | Wobin | You -can- set off fireworks, normally |
| 01:23.01 | Wobin | but you have to tell the police |
| 01:23.02 | Dagmar | Technically they're not legal in my home county, but the cops basically ignore the explosions everywhere as long as it's not been a drought, and as long as people aren't shooting them at houses |
| 01:23.04 | Corrodias | sorry, i cannot hold the government free of responsibility just beacuse its own poor design is allowing one person to prevent progress |
| 01:23.07 | foxlit | The discussion is somewhat out of scope. Personally, I find it funny that some vocal people against government regulation are also trying to preserve marriage. |
| 01:23.07 | Wobin | and there has to not be a fire ban on |
| 01:23.31 | Dagmar | They even turn a timed blind eye to a few places where bottle rockets are used as anti-personnel munitions each year |
| 01:23.36 | Wobin | You just can't -buy- fireworks |
| 01:23.38 | Corrodias | i also have no interest in government regulation of marriage, or even recognition of it |
| 01:23.42 | Wobin | except in the ACT |
| 01:23.43 | Corrodias | for what that matters. |
| 01:23.48 | Wobin | where our govenment resides =P |
| 01:24.21 | foxlit | Corrodias: I'm not sure that's the case either. |
| 01:24.29 | foxlit | Then again, I have virtually zero knowledge there. |
| 01:24.56 | Corrodias | all right. well, i appreciate the bit of insight into the problem that the article gives. i still consider it a problem, that's all. |
| 01:25.15 | foxlit | It seems to me that the point being made is "those six guys could repeal it, but one of them doesn't want to," but what is perhaps missing from the picture is "there are other ways, but they require broader consensus and support than is apparently present". |
| 01:25.35 | Corrodias | ah yes, it doesn't bother to say anything about that |
| 01:25.50 | nevcairiel | yeah it seems weird that those 6 guys would be the only way |
| 01:26.14 | nevcairiel | maybe the easiest, if you can all talk them into it |
| 01:26.18 | nevcairiel | or fastest |
| 01:27.09 | Corrodias | i suppose the board members don't want to risk their jobs by misclassifying games |
| 01:27.14 | Corrodias | can't really blame them for that |
| 01:27.17 | olafski | wish they'd ban fireworks here too |
| 01:27.26 | olafski | that is all, resume discussion |
| 01:27.43 | Corrodias | i wish explosions were legal everywhere; that is all |
| 01:27.58 | Dagmar | A shame they can't do the sensible thing and just give games an "MR" rating (Morally Reprehensible) |
| 01:28.04 | olafski | how can you ban "explosions"? :P |
| 01:28.12 | nevcairiel | imho they should ban those things that only make noise .. i like watching fire works, not hear silly explosions all day |
| 01:28.17 | foxlit | olafski: it explodes, it gets imprisoned. |
| 01:28.23 | olafski | foxlit: ahhahaha |
| 01:28.28 | olafski | nice one :P |
| 01:29.04 | Dagmar | You can be in charge of the snakes |
| 01:29.05 | olafski | nevcairiel: same, and I despise those little kids who have to start new year in october |
| 01:29.29 | olafski | well not exactly the same, I don't really care for the visual fireworks either :P |
| 01:29.30 | nevcairiel | at least you can only buy those from like dec 27th to dec 31th here |
| 01:29.37 | olafski | but it beats the noisy |
| 01:29.52 | olafski | here too but that doesn't stop people who really want fireworks :) |
| 01:29.54 | nevcairiel | so it is limited to that time frame |
| 01:30.07 | nevcairiel | didnt really notice that much |
| 01:30.41 | olafski | they either import it, get it from illegal sources or maybe they even keep it from last year |
| 01:30.52 | nevcairiel | of course you can get professional fireworks all year if you want |
| 01:31.01 | nevcairiel | just need to get the professional to set them off, too |
| 01:31.27 | olafski | yeah |
| 01:31.35 | olafski | those generally aren't the type that make me jump from my chair though |
| 01:31.36 | zenzelezz | saw the siberian tigers being fed at the zoo tonight... man those beasts are huge |
| 01:31.53 | olafski | got some kids here who like to do those things that are supposed to explode up in the sky and make a lot of noise |
| 01:31.58 | Lopeppeppy | Just a little, zenzelezz. :) |
| 01:32.06 | olafski | except they kind of stick them into the ground so they don't fly up (explode on the ground) |
| 01:32.12 | olafski | very annoying |
| 01:32.18 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: I swear the male's paw was as large as my head |
| 01:32.24 | nevcairiel | olafski: can only wish they dont get away in time some day :P |
| 01:32.41 | olafski | yep I would so not feel bad about laughing that day :P |
| 01:32.47 | Lopeppeppy | wouldn't surprise me, zenzelezz, but it bet it was a little bit smaller |
| 01:33.15 | nevcairiel | but meh, wouldnt want to be a medic on new years eve |
| 01:33.29 | nevcairiel | alot of drunk driving combined with fireworkds |
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| 02:21.26 | Ginji | that last one is tough NightHawkTheSane |
| 02:21.35 | Ginji | from the puzzle thingy |
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| 02:34.17 | olafski | "Emails from Blizzard will always either end in blizzard.com or battle.net" isn't that lulling people into a false sense of security? |
| 02:34.45 | Thunder_Child | somewhat |
| 02:34.59 | olafski | not to mention that it sounds kind of ambiguous to me |
| 02:35.05 | Lopeppeppy | But that's not the only indication of an authentic email. |
| 02:35.10 | olafski | are the last words of the mail body "battle.net"? |
| 02:35.26 | olafski | no of course but you can't really go and explain the headers to a random wow player I guess |
| 02:35.44 | Thunder_Child | they should have duplicates within battle.net and any offical email should tell you yo log into battle.net |
| 02:35.58 | olafski | faking a from/respond-to address is so easy that every idiot can do it though, so this tip is bad tbh |
| 02:36.32 | Lopeppeppy | It's a tip, not the be-all-end-all of the universe. Relax a bit. |
| 02:37.10 | Lopeppeppy | If you're talkign the tips on the loading screen, those are what... 10 words long? Not much room to be comprehensive there. :) |
| 02:38.07 | Ginji | Hurray! I completed the puzzles! |
| 02:38.41 | olafski | I know that lopeppeppy but that still is no reason to put a bad tip in there :P |
| 02:38.43 | Ginji | And blizzard should PGP sign their emails! |
| 02:39.05 | olafski | would be much better to just say something about "be careful what you believe in your email" or something :< |
| 02:39.07 | olafski | meh |
| 02:39.13 | olafski | let's not go too far ;) |
| 02:39.23 | olafski | I don't really mind either way, if people get haxed it's their own fault |
| 02:39.44 | Ginji | uhuh |
| 02:39.46 | Ginji | pebcak |
| 02:40.08 | Lopeppeppy | It's not a bad tip, per se, you just wish it could be more comprehensive. |
| 02:40.20 | ScytheBlade1 | http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/yrs-give-it-a-ponder-campaign-for-lg.html |
| 02:41.19 | olafski | :D |
| 02:41.27 | olafski | dunno who james lipton is but.. :D :) |
| 02:41.56 | ScytheBlade1 | those are amazing commercials |
| 02:42.02 | Dagmar | God deSERVES a brand new cadillac... |
| 02:42.28 | Dagmar | ...and with your kind and generous faith donation of only one thousand five hundred dollars, God will have his brand new car |
| 02:42.41 | Dagmar | Oh wait, my mistake |
| 02:42.53 | Dagmar | Actors Workshop, not 700 Club |
| 02:42.56 | haste | note to self: ^W does not work the same way in firefox as in sh |
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| 05:47.34 | Wobin | yay Byron! |
| 05:54.56 | Thunder_Child | hahahaha http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=50316 |
| 05:55.09 | Thunder_Child | gonna get that song stuck in my head though :( |
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| 06:03.46 | DWSR | T_C: That's awesome. :D |
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| 08:05.10 | Amarande | Shadowcleave ... |
| 08:05.12 | DWSR | Amarande: Basically, all I'm seeing is a ton of 'QQ, I'm a scrubby warlock with scrubby gear'. |
| 08:05.18 | Amarande | you mean the meta ability? |
| 08:05.21 | Amarande | actually, my gear isn't *that* bad, but it's PvE. |
| 08:05.37 | Amarande | and to get back to the *original* topic |
| 08:05.38 | DWSR | Amarande: No, I mean Shadowcleave. blood DK, affliction warlock. |
| 08:05.49 | DWSR | Having nothing to do with meta. |
| 08:05.58 | Amarande | I'm not sure any level of PvE gear would have been able to solo that boss, or if PvP gear actually was the reason you managed it. |
| 08:06.05 | Amarande | Destro locks in PvE gear are just plain squooshy. |
| 08:06.54 | DWSR | Not really. |
| 08:06.59 | DWSR | You have a decent number of self heals. |
| 08:07.06 | DWSR | A PvP spec will do it, as well. |
| 08:07.39 | DWSR | Soul Leech (which you should have) heals decently, as does Death Coil. |
| 08:07.51 | DWSR | Not saying that Destro is the easiest to solo it in, but *shrug* |
| 08:08.02 | Amarande | you mean he's not immune to death coil? |
| 08:10.12 | Amarande | I probably wouldn't have thought of it, actually, seriously. |
| 08:10.35 | Amarande | Most bossy type enemies do tend to be immune to it, at least group-intended enemies ... |
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| 08:10.40 | DWSR | Amarande: Regardless of whether or not he's immune to the horror (I believe he is), Death Coil heals you for like 3k. |
| 08:10.52 | DWSR | a 3k heal, a health stone, passive heals from SL, vw bubble. |
| 08:10.55 | DWSR | lol, ezmode. |
| 08:11.05 | DWSR | Especially since you can use the mammoth after 50%. |
| 08:11.10 | Amarande | Yeah, the idea of using DC on a mob that's immune to the fear is something most players would find counterintuitive, though |
| 08:11.15 | DWSR | Hell, I can solo Chillmaw. |
| 08:11.22 | Amarande | other than folks who are hardcore at soloing elites |
| 08:11.23 | Amarande | hmm |
| 08:11.29 | Amarande | who was Chillmaw? I forget now :) |
| 08:11.41 | DWSR | AT champion daily. |
| 08:11.43 | DWSR | Threat From Above. |
| 08:11.57 | Amarande | Ah. Haven't made Champion yet. |
| 08:12.09 | Amarande | As for the mammoth, that was where the bug was occurring |
| 08:12.26 | Amarande | for some reason, sometimes he just plain refuses to dismount, and while you can still kill him (and he doesn't even evade), it doesn't count you as having done so for the quest |
| 08:12.50 | Amarande | I wonder why it hasn't been fixed. |
| 08:13.18 | DWSR | well, assuming that everything works as intended, as I said, he's easy to solo, even for destro. |
| 08:13.26 | DWSR | Leading to my conclusion of 'QQ moar scrub'. |
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| 08:14.06 | Amarande | Other sucky things I'm noticing right about now, also - |
| 08:14.16 | Amarande | Why did they stop giving Armorsmithing a mail BoP perk in WotLK? |
| 08:14.34 | Amarande | In classic and BC, there was both mail and plate, WotLK only has two plate pieces but no mail |
| 08:15.12 | Amarande | or is BS actually *not* really intended for the production of significant Mail armor post-40? |
| 08:15.47 | Amarande | (Weird, since I always thought your typical mail was, well, made of metal by a smith ... it's not like I'm a noob to RPGs or historical knights :D) |
| 08:16.24 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, they were uncertain whether to put mail under leatherworking or under blacksmithing |
| 08:16.28 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 08:16.34 | DWSR | Since mail requires leather |
| 08:16.36 | ZorbaBeta | in wotlk they seem to have decided that leatherworking gets mail, and blacksmithing gets weaponry. |
| 08:17.08 | Amarande | ahh, trying to keep LW viable, I suppose? |
| 08:17.18 | ZorbaBeta | yeah |
| 08:17.26 | Amarande | since apparently in BC the main reason to have LW was something that was totally obsoleted by game policy level changes? |
| 08:17.32 | ZorbaBeta | I don't know if BC LW included mail or not, but I know that classic mail was split between LW and BS |
| 08:17.37 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 08:17.40 | Amarande | (i.e., them drums) |
| 08:18.02 | ZorbaBeta | and honestly that was kind of confusing, and with craftable weaponry obviously going to BS, moving mail to LW was probably the right choice. |
| 08:18.05 | Amarande | Pretty sure LW has always included mail |
| 08:18.40 | Amarande | also, what was the rationale behind forcing BS to rely almost exclusively at the top end on cooldown mats, while other crafters (except tailors) don't have to? |
| 08:18.43 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I'm looking right now and you're correct |
| 08:18.47 | ZorbaBeta | which, honestly, was rather confusing. |
| 08:19.12 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, I imagine they're playing around with the cooldown mechanics in general. tailors have lived with it for a while, perhaps they decided it would make for an interesting mechanic. |
| 08:19.13 | Amarande | i.e.: basically there's like ONE useful BS recipe that uses titanium itself, all the others have to use titansteel with that mind-numbing 20 hour cooldown per bar |
| 08:19.21 | ZorbaBeta | requiring BSes to rely on a Mining cooldown was quite curious |
| 08:19.35 | ZorbaBeta | but, for the sake of economy, possibly a good choice. |
| 08:19.38 | Amarande | yeah, but it's not even quite the same as tailoring |
| 08:19.56 | Amarande | Tailoring actually uses Imbued Frostweave in significant quantities, not just the three cooldown cloths |
| 08:20.04 | Amarande | BS, like I said, has 1, maybe 2 recipes that even use regular titanium bars at all. |
| 08:20.21 | ZorbaBeta | true, raw titanium itself is generally the province of jewelcrafters and engineers |
| 08:20.34 | Amarande | then again, jewelcrafters find saronite to be useless other than as prospecting fodder |
| 08:20.43 | Amarande | and need the damned titanium bars at an earlier stage |
| 08:20.54 | ZorbaBeta | I couldn't say. Maybe it was an effort to balance the titanium and saronite markets a little better. |
| 08:21.00 | ZorbaBeta | A failed effort, but, y'know, an effort. |
| 08:21.09 | Amarande | I'm still stuck at 447 because I keep finding other things to spend money on and thus don't seem to be able to find the 1000+ g it seems like I'll need to get the last three points reasonably |
| 08:21.26 | Amarande | unless I start cutting meta gems that don't look like they're the ones you're supposed to use. |
| 08:21.56 | Amarande | (since as I understand it, most builds have a single recommended meta gem and generally any other choice is supposed to suck by comparison, either because its stats aren't as good, or because the required gems are a hassle or both) |
| 08:22.36 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, there's not a lot of choice in the world of meta gems. |
| 08:22.48 | Amarande | (by "required gems are a hassle" I mean having to use That One Color for that build, since it *also* seems like most builds have one or two gem colors that are actually worth socketing and the other one always sucks ass and is only used because you need it for the stupid meta) |
| 08:23.38 | Amarande | anyway. |
| 08:23.49 | Amarande | it seems like the meta gems I happen to know are ones that probably are on the suck list |
| 08:23.49 | ZorbaBeta | that's what nightmare tears are for ;) |
| 08:24.19 | Amarande | also that my only orange recipes require sillily expensive amounts of mats to get and are at this point probably only tradable to newbies |
| 08:25.36 | Amarande | and somehow spending 3000g on mats with the only reasonably likely return being maybe 200g on three abyss crystals is reasonably not very appetizing. :) |
| 08:26.18 | Amarande | yeah, I looked at one of the titanium jewelry ilvl 200 items and it does seem like it would cost about a grand in mats to make one. :| |
| 08:26.36 | Amarande | and really, who buys ilvl 200 jewelry items now? |
| 08:27.12 | DWSR | no one |
| 08:28.02 | Amarande | DWSR: yeah, exactly |
| 08:28.03 | Amarande | you know |
| 08:28.10 | Amarande | now I'm beginning to understand why JCs are complaining in bulk on the forums |
| 08:28.16 | DWSR | qq more scrubs. |
| 08:28.18 | Amarande | there just is very, very little incentive anymore to reach 450 |
| 08:28.21 | DWSR | At least you're not a tailor. |
| 08:28.34 | Amarande | there's plenty of incentive to get high enough to use the dragon's eyes, which are still a pretty significant perk |
| 08:28.41 | Amarande | but hardly any at all to bother going beyond that |
| 08:29.54 | Amarande | the epic gems provide only small improvements over the blues, Blizzard has -ensured- that the market for epic gems takes the piss, going from 445-450 in particular requires a stupendous investment, and we don't even get high ilvl epic recipes like BS, LW, and Tailoring all do |
| 08:30.17 | Amarande | why has Blizzard decided to give JC the short end of the stick like that? :| |
| 08:30.56 | Amarande | don't tell me they're planning to phase out gems entirely or something for cata ... |
| 08:31.52 | DWSR | they are. |
| 08:32.28 | DWSR | since you'll be able to edit stats with the respective prof of the target gear. |
| 08:32.40 | Amarande | "gemming your gear is too much of a time investment" or some bullshit like they used to justify getting rid of raid consumables and making alchemists (and LW if it wasn't for giving them control of mail) cry with WotLK? |
| 08:32.41 | Dagmar | perks up |
| 08:33.00 | Amarande | DWSR: don't tell me this is going to replace crafting recipes entirely? |
| 08:33.09 | DWSR | hope not |
| 08:33.14 | Amarande | everything from 450-525 is just going to be "eligibility to modify X gear" and "this mod for X gear" isn't it :| |
| 08:33.28 | Dagmar | I was kinda hoping the new archaeology skill would make players prove their literacy |
| 08:33.34 | Amarande | (and then Enchanters will complain THEIR profession takes the piss, since gear enhancement was THEIR job) |
| 08:33.37 | DWSR | JCs have no reason to bitch, IMO. |
| 08:33.47 | Amarande | DWSR: why not? |
| 08:33.50 | Dagmar | Bleh, like that matters. |
| 08:33.56 | Amarande | and what did they do to tailors? I'm still only at 376 or so on mine |
| 08:34.02 | DWSR | Because your profession is easily the most profitable, once you top out @ 450. |
| 08:34.04 | Dagmar | They're already screaming blue murder about apparently being forced to DE trash at dragonpoint |
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| 08:34.18 | DWSR | Spam Dalaran on a >medium population server saying 10g a cut here's ma epicz and boom. |
| 08:34.23 | Dagmar | You'd think by the way some of them were asking it's akin to being required to bend over for party members at wil |
| 08:34.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: I think their main justification is that no other profession has a similar in-game involuntary usage requirement |
| 08:34.57 | Amarande | therefore, enchanters are being singled out |
| 08:35.03 | Dagmar | They don't even have to click anything |
| 08:35.22 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 08:35.28 | Amarande | also the idea that community courtesies oughtn't to be hard-wired into the game mechanics, or somesuch. |
| 08:35.42 | DWSR | No other profession such a unique niche, either. |
| 08:35.42 | Dagmar | One might as well complain that healers are being singled out because they're expected to heal people whether they like it or not. |
| 08:35.52 | Amarande | Dagmar: nah |
| 08:35.57 | Amarande | healers still have plenty of room for judgment |
| 08:36.01 | DWSR | No they don't. |
| 08:36.06 | Amarande | DWSR: sort of. |
| 08:36.16 | DWSR | No. |
| 08:36.25 | Amarande | The equivalent for healers would be to make raid boss fire spots automatically cause a healer in range to start casting heals on anyone standing in that fire. :) |
| 08:36.27 | Dagmar | Anyway, it's not like everyone and their brother doesn't have a DE'ing alt |
| 08:36.43 | DWSR | Amarande: No, it wouldn't be. |
| 08:36.43 | Dagmar | They're not losing any money |
| 08:36.50 | Amarande | Whereas we know that any competent raid healer's reaction to someone standing in fire is "let the motherfucker burn" :D |
| 08:36.59 | Dagmar | Amarande: I know one who cheers |
| 08:38.09 | Amarande | Also, the DE thing did, like I mentioned previously have a concern brought up by non-enchanters |
| 08:38.37 | Amarande | namely, that some groups would be d-bag enough to, if finding they do NOT have an enchanter, single out one of the DPS and vote them out simply to try to get an enchanter as replacement |
| 08:38.49 | Dagmar | Would you WANT to run with people that dimwitted? |
| 08:39.00 | DWSR | Amarande: You know how you avoid many of these problems? |
| 08:39.03 | DWSR | By not being a scrub. |
| 08:39.11 | Dagmar | I'd think people who were that money-oriented are probably involved in selling currency in some way |
| 08:39.13 | DWSR | Sorry, but you're just a passenger on the QQ train. |
| 08:39.25 | Dagmar | ...or they REALLY need some valium. |
| 08:39.30 | Dagmar | It's a game, not a job. |
| 08:39.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: or they're just *that* hungry for mats. |
| 08:40.01 | DWSR | The enchanting changes are good for everyone. They stop people from being ninjas (either accidentally or on purpose) and DEing the epicz, blues, and greens and then just jetting. |
| 08:40.13 | DWSR | An average heroic run can get you 400g without too much problem. |
| 08:40.18 | Amarande | unless you mainly play your main, or spend enough -extra- hours on top of your regular instancing and alt levels in order to have time to do dailies, it's actually not that easy to stay solvent |
| 08:40.23 | Amarande | particularly if you have several alts hungry for profession mats |
| 08:40.25 | Dagmar | Yeah I got a real strong feeling from reading the qq threads that a lot of those kids were ninjas |
| 08:40.36 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 08:40.45 | DWSR | So, I say fuck you, this is why we can't have nice things. |
| 08:40.52 | Dagmar | Amarande: Having recently done two toons to 400+ in enchanting, mats aren't really that hard to come by |
| 08:40.55 | Amarande | I know lately the moment I get money it ends up going to purchase thorium and mithril so my BS can painfully lope towards 300. |
| 08:41.27 | Dagmar | Mine it then |
| 08:41.29 | Amarande | Yeah, I do have a 450 miner, but given the simply soul-crushing amount of thorium, in particular, required ... you really want to be able to buy a good amount of it from AH |
| 08:41.43 | Amarande | I worked out a fairly efficient method to get from 255-300 and it still needs 400 thorium. |
| 08:41.46 | DWSR | Amarande: Again, all I hear is the QQ. |
| 08:42.02 | Dagmar | So every day, go to the AH, buy some thorium, turn it into something, and then sell it |
| 08:42.14 | Dagmar | Trying to do it all at once is what makes it stupidly expensive |
| 08:42.20 | Amarande | More significantly, right now I'm trying to make it through mithril |
| 08:42.32 | Amarande | and there seems to be an irritating mithril shortage on Turalyon in general :| |
| 08:42.34 | DWSR | QQ chugga chugga chugga chugga QQ. |
| 08:42.38 | Amarande | I really don't know where it goes |
| 08:42.54 | Amarande | the most I've ever seen on the AH at once is like, two and a half stacks, which with BS means like three or four items or so. :) |
| 08:42.56 | Dagmar | Someone's proabbly gaming it |
| 08:43.13 | Amarande | and every time I go to an area that has mithril there always seems to be a mysterious shortage of ore nodes, even if /who only shows me |
| 08:43.22 | DWSR | Farmed. |
| 08:43.25 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 08:43.26 | kd3 | the other side? |
| 08:44.12 | Amarande | Gah |
| 08:44.12 | Dagmar | Wait until the next round of mass-bannings. |
| 08:44.12 | Amarande | Fucking Alliance kids |
| 08:44.12 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 08:44.12 | Dagmar | Wow that'll be a great Christmas present |
| 08:44.12 | Amarande | man, now I'm tempted to roll an ally toon to spy on ally activities |
| 08:44.12 | DWSR | Complain to Blizzard about the gold farmers. They're teh cause of all of your problems. |
| 08:44.12 | Dagmar | I always love seeing those announcements. |
| 08:44.12 | Dagmar | Sometimes they make it on CNN |
| 08:44.38 | Dagmar | "Next on Headline News... Blizzard kicks a quarter-million dirty cheaters to the curb." |
| 08:44.38 | Amarande | And then they probably make new accounts |
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| 08:44.56 | Amarande | What would be nice would be if Blizzard could actually repeatedly force these cheaters' skills to make harsh contact with said curb :P |
| 08:45.03 | Amarande | er, skulls |
| 08:45.13 | Dagmar | Yeah and suddenly a bunch of them realize that blizz doesn't ban people immediately |
| 08:45.45 | Amarande | you know, usually I don't favor corporatocracy that much |
| 08:45.50 | Amarande | but sometimes, yeah, it seems like it would be nice if Blizzard were allowed to execute cheaters |
| 08:45.50 | Dagmar | Only if I get to pillory spammers. |
| 08:45.50 | Amarande | it's not like most of them really contribute much to society I'm sure |
| 08:45.57 | Amarande | hell, with how they cheat in WoW, they probably cheat on their business taxes too :P |
| 08:46.17 | DWSR | They're mostly asian |
| 08:46.34 | Amarande | or they're from some idiot-hole like Taiwan where the government actively protects the RMT industry |
| 08:46.34 | Amarande | You guys are aware of the famous Guild Wars server shutdown incident, right? |
| 08:46.40 | Dagmar | Eh? |
| 08:46.45 | DWSR | No, do enlighten us QQarande. |
| 08:47.00 | Dagmar | snickers. |
| 08:47.02 | Amarande | Dagmar, DWSR: At one point, Guild Wars ran servers, in Taiwan, for the benefit of its Taiwanese users. |
| 08:47.04 | Amarande | This did not last very long. |
| 08:47.19 | Dagmar | Too many killings? |
| 08:47.24 | Amarande | Dagmar: worse. |
| 08:47.36 | Dagmar | Not enough killings then. |
| 08:47.40 | Amarande | ArenaNet was forced to actually shut down the Taiwan servers and have Taiwanese users use American servers. |
| 08:47.40 | DWSR | Indeed. |
| 08:47.50 | Amarande | The reason for this is that the Taiwanese government passed one of the most fail laws ever seen on this planet. |
| 08:48.07 | Amarande | If you run a server in Taiwan ... it is ILLEGAL to ban people from that server for engaging in real-money-trading activities. |
| 08:48.21 | Amarande | Basically, Taiwan made it illegal for them to enforce their ToS without making the physical server change. |
| 08:48.30 | Dagmar | So they basically banned non-RMT games. No problem here. |
| 08:48.39 | Amarande | If that's not the lamest, dumbest Internet law EVER, I don't know what is. |
| 08:48.50 | DWSR | Laws that breach net neutrality. |
| 08:48.57 | Amarande | Doesn't Taiwan make enough money selling us our computer hardware that they don't need to protect that sector of their economy? :S |
| 08:49.03 | DWSR | No. |
| 08:49.17 | Dagmar | It's complicated there. |
| 08:49.40 | Amarande | When I heard about it, I wished the US would sell out Taiwan to the PRC. Heh. |
| 08:49.59 | Amarande | You know what happens to those Taiwanese legislators if the PRC ever gets their way, I'm sure ... |
| 08:50.20 | Dagmar | They'll get a pat on the back |
| 08:50.30 | Dagmar | China loves RMT |
| 08:50.38 | Amarande | Dagmar: if you consider being whacked in the back with a Titansteel Destroyer to be a pat, maybe. :) |
| 08:50.48 | Amarande | I'm thinking most likely "executed in extreme pain as traitors" |
| 08:50.57 | Amarande | given how China never even recognized Taiwan as a country to begin with |
| 08:51.01 | Wobin | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uuOo8x3WXWE/SvoEAGpKr4I/AAAAAAAAkoM/W6UNNWvacNw/s1600-h/test_form.jpg |
| 08:51.19 | Dagmar | They kinda have great big signs up at the airport that would dispute that |
| 08:51.31 | Dagmar | "Welcome to Taiwan, R. O. C." |
| 08:51.41 | Amarande | Yeah, that's pretty much the problem there |
| 08:51.56 | Amarande | Both the PRC and Taiwan insist that *they* are the true nation of China |
| 08:52.08 | Amarande | and that their government actually ought to own *both parts* |
| 08:52.15 | DWSR | Wobin: Lol |
| 08:52.40 | Amarande | I'm not sure what keeps the PRC from just steamrolling over Taiwan like a 40-man raid of 80's over Hogger, though |
| 08:52.49 | Dagmar | Wobin: Probably fake |
| 08:53.05 | DWSR | Hogger's hardmode, man |
| 08:53.24 | Dagmar | 1. No one hand-grades scantron forms... 2. 5 questions C would be 20% right, not 25% and I doubt a professor would muck that up |
| 08:53.30 | Wobin | Amarande, if they could do it without the rest of the world finding out, they'd totally do it |
| 08:54.06 | Amarande | Actually, it's probably ironically capitalist greed that keeps China from utterly destroying us, come to think of it |
| 08:54.24 | Amarande | I mean, we and the whole world in general would probably be utterly fucked if they even simply decided to stop trading with us |
| 08:54.48 | Amarande | "Where's all the parts we needed to build our product?" "They came from China. China doesn't sell us stuff anymore. Game over." |
| 08:56.54 | Amarande | oh man this is just a bad dream |
| 08:57.01 | Amarande | mithril is up to like, 5-10g per bar now. |
| 08:57.15 | Amarande | GODDAMNED ALLIANCE GOLD-BUYING BABIES |
| 08:57.19 | Amarande | shakes fist |
| 08:57.27 | DWSR | Warning: Unknown: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 <- Why is PHP giving me this error? Permissions? |
| 08:57.35 | DWSR | QQ moar Horde scum |
| 08:57.48 | Amarande | DWSR: I think gold sellers are supposed to be hated whatever your faction |
| 08:57.50 | Amarande | they're like murlocs. |
| 08:57.53 | Amarande | no one likes murlocs. |
| 08:58.13 | DWSR | TAFKAL80ETC loves murlocs. |
| 08:58.27 | DWSR | because DEATH WILL RAIN, FROM THE SKIES. I AM MURLOC! |
| 08:59.02 | Wobin | hm |
| 08:59.11 | Wobin | http://vimeo.com/7963572 |
| 08:59.11 | Wobin | interesting |
| 08:59.17 | Wobin | sort of a scifi Ocean's Eleven |
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| 09:09.34 | Wobin | http://blog.coleran.com/category/portfolio/screendesign |
| 09:09.42 | Wobin | he's the one to blame for the UI's seen in movies =P |
| 09:09.47 | Wobin | kinda a cool job, though |
| 09:09.58 | Amarande | I really think a patch ought to reduce the mats requirements for BS 225-300 to something sane |
| 09:10.53 | Amarande | the mats at BC and WotLK level don't look nearly so intimidating |
| 09:10.53 | Amarande | maybe they'll feel the need to do it at Cata time, since the changes in Cata may significantly reduce the amount of mithril-bearing Azeroth |
| 09:11.11 | Amarande | (particularly, an entire mithril bearing ZONE is going bye bye ...) |
| 09:12.36 | Amarande | and yes, I'm going to say that the mats requirements for BS, particularly at that level, are insane. Do you agree? |
| 09:14.05 | Amarande | I'll put it this way ... |
| 09:14.17 | Amarande | There are four basic strains of mats: cloth, leather, herbs, and metal |
| 09:14.57 | Amarande | now, cloth and leather scale up pretty reasonably by levels, meaning that all you have to do is kill enough mobs in X level stratum (assuming you have skinning in leather's case) and you will easily come to enough mats. |
| 09:15.11 | Amarande | herbs and metal, on the other hand, are node dependent. |
| 09:16.01 | Amarande | however, the herb-requiring professions are much more reasonable and sane about it than the metal ones are. alchemy tends to require only a relatively small number of herbs per concoction, and inscription hardly at all cares what herbs you use as long as you have groups of five identical ones. |
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| 09:16.40 | Amarande | metal ones, otoh, tend to require metric shit-tons of metal just to make one item (BS, in particular). And back in the day you even had to mine each piece of ore as a separate action. |
| 09:16.42 | Amarande | what's the rationale? |
| 09:17.16 | Amarande | was there some significant design reason to what logically seems like a complete screw over for the metal-using professions? |
| 09:17.43 | Amarande | or was someone simply drinking too much beer at an office party, or something equally illogical that just happened to make it into the game and survive this long? |
| 09:18.47 | Amarande | I mean, what's the rationale for, say, 20 points of Alchemy probably requiring maybe one or two stacks each of each mat, while half as many points of BS will probably use twice as many stacks of mats? |
| 09:24.07 | ZorbaBeta | gygaxian naturalism |
| 09:24.37 | ZorbaBeta | back in the days of d&d through d&d2e, there was a strong unspoken undercurrent of belief that a proper roleplaying game attempted to simulate a world |
| 09:25.14 | ZorbaBeta | the result of this was complicated random-monster tables based on fictional monster cultures and area ecologies, all intended to give the player the feeling of traveling through a real live location |
| 09:26.04 | Amarande | ahh, good ol' EGG |
| 09:26.08 | ZorbaBeta | this persisted through the days of everquest and the early days of WoW - decisions were made not based on whether it would be fun, but based on whether it would be "realistic". potions are small, armor is large, so armor must need more materials than potions do. plants grow in clusters in fertile areas, mineral veins are distributed around the outskirts of unexplored rocky areas, so let's do that also |
| 09:26.26 | Amarande | yeah, but nobody seemed to take a look back at such things |
| 09:26.32 | ZorbaBeta | the industry is finally moving out of that, largely thanks to the evolution of MMOs (driven heavily by Blizzard) |
| 09:26.44 | Amarande | with the result that the 225-300 'bump' is much less balanced for classic professions than it is for JC and Inscription |
| 09:27.07 | ZorbaBeta | sure. it's too expensive to go back and change old content, and Blizzard, for quite a while, harbored a mistaken belief that the "old content" had to remain unchanged |
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| 09:27.23 | Amarande | it seems especially odd in the light that Blizzard seems to actively want players to be able to make it through the lower levels more quickly so they can get to the newest expansion |
| 09:27.29 | ZorbaBeta | the (correct) theory being that people would scream bloody murder if they got rid of old stuff, and the equally-correct theory being that all the old content was now "free value". |
| 09:27.42 | Amarande | but they do not correspondingly rebalance the profession progress to help people keep up there |
| 09:28.05 | ZorbaBeta | luckily they're finally realizing that a philosophy that works fine for a two-year MMO starts breaking down heavily after five years. |
| 09:28.12 | Amarande | for instance, the wool spike and the reason leveling LW seems harder now |
| 09:28.27 | Amarande | is simply because you zip by the levels where you would encounter the mobs you need to get mats from much more quickly than before, I'm sure |
| 09:28.53 | kd3 | good thing cataclysm's breaking everything next year |
| 09:29.01 | Amarande | as for why there was not similarly a silk spike |
| 09:29.05 | ZorbaBeta | true. they've made a lot of changes without considering the ramifications. |
| 09:29.12 | Amarande | I generally think that was a result of the Great De-Elition |
| 09:29.17 | ZorbaBeta | or, more likely, without caring |
| 09:29.23 | kd3 | ^ |
| 09:29.30 | Amarande | because a disproportionate number of the mobs that were de-elited, that I'm aware of, were humanoids in the level range to drop silk |
| 09:29.35 | Amarande | hence a lot of soloers got a lot more silk than ever |
| 09:29.41 | ZorbaBeta | all that stuff can be bought on the AH if you really wanted, for prices ranging from low to ridiculous. but if it's ridiculous, you can go farm 'em yourself for money, so it all works out. |
| 09:29.59 | Amarande | ahh, good old "They Just Didn't Care" |
| 09:30.07 | Amarande | maybe it's time for us to include WoW on TV Tropes as an example :) |
| 09:30.09 | ZorbaBeta | I think it's just that you're leveling more slowly at that point, since levels take longer |
| 09:30.18 | ZorbaBeta | you don't whip past the silk segment nearly as quickly as you do wool |
| 09:30.30 | Amarande | Zorba: you also kill humanoids a lot more during the silk segment, to boot |
| 09:30.33 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WorldOfWarcraft |
| 09:30.58 | Amarande | even more so now that places like Dun whatever its name is I can't keep track of all the damn Duns in Hillsbrad, the Dwarf fortress, is populated with normal scrub mobs rather than elites |
| 09:31.08 | Amarande | plus the fact that you may have to clear out the damn place two or three times to get the sword for that quest :) |
| 09:31.23 | Amarande | can't remember the name of the sword either :S |
| 09:31.38 | Amarande | all I know is my warlock took forever finding it at that point |
| 09:32.04 | Amarande | yeah, usually if it's ridiculous you can go farm it for money |
| 09:32.11 | Amarande | I didn't even complain except on a few occasions about mats |
| 09:32.38 | Amarande | I think the first time was with huge emeralds for getting JC from 295-300, since at the time virtually no one even farmed thorium (it was during the hardcore BC phase) |
| 09:33.00 | Amarande | and well ... I didn't get to the other big doozy, namely the mithril and thorium phases of BS, till recently ... so yeah. |
| 09:33.14 | Amarande | and didn't realize there was a problem till even later |
| 09:33.27 | Amarande | the mithril shortage seems to be fairly recent |
| 09:35.04 | Amarande | there used to be plenty :) |
| 09:35.16 | Wobin | did wow.com post a "Sell Mithril make money on the AH" article? |
| 09:36.40 | Amarande | dunno. |
| 09:36.54 | Amarande | it's been a while since I looked at guides that didn't have to do with raid strats or specific quests |
| 09:38.45 | Amarande | Wobin: does your server go through mithril shortages lately too? |
| 09:39.20 | Wobin | I haven't been playing the AH to notice |
| 09:49.28 | Wobin | oh god ZorbaBeta |
| 09:49.32 | Wobin | you linked tvtropes |
| 09:49.35 | Wobin | =( |
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| 09:56.26 | Arrowmaster | well that was weird, i was awake for over 24 hours but only slept for like 6 |
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| 10:11.21 | Amarande | and actually, besides the mithril inconvenience, I'm pretty wracked with RL worry right now so I'm not exactly in the best of mind |
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| 10:19.43 | Corrodias | huh what? |
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| 10:20.24 | Corrodias | caring too much about the game, bad bad |
| 10:21.02 | foxlit | Hm, redeeming curse rewards point for itunes tokens would be awesome. |
| 10:21.12 | foxlit | +s |
| 10:23.10 | foxlit | I wonder if one can legally resell those |
| 10:23.39 | nevcairiel | at least here you can, some shops offer them |
| 10:23.42 | nevcairiel | sometimes even on discount |
| 10:24.15 | nevcairiel | 3 for price of 2 |
| 10:24.15 | nevcairiel | and stuff |
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| 10:24.50 | Amarande | Corrodias: no, boss razzing me out today |
| 10:25.00 | Amarande | it was snowing, so I called out because I wasn't going to be able to get to work |
| 10:25.08 | Corrodias | oh, i see |
| 10:25.17 | Amarande | and I get told I can expect to see my work hours severely nerfed this winter if I'm going to call out when it snows :| |
| 10:25.19 | Wobin | oh god =( |
| 10:25.22 | Wobin | only up to S |
| 10:25.29 | Wobin | on tvtropes |
| 10:25.45 | Amarande | I'm wondering just how badly that means. |
| 10:25.56 | Corrodias | well... there's a lot of snow in winter |
| 10:26.02 | Amarande | Apparently, they care more about the self checkouts than about their employees' safety. |
| 10:26.02 | Corrodias | at least around here |
| 10:26.08 | Trela | Amarande, that does make sense. What kind of vehicle do you have? |
| 10:26.20 | Corrodias | it seems pretty obvious; if the person can't -be- there, they aren't going to get paid for being there |
| 10:26.26 | Amarande | Trela: I don't drive, if it snows the person who drives me doesn't give me transportation |
| 10:26.27 | Corrodias | your hours get reduced by your lack of presence, right? |
| 10:26.31 | Trela | Well, shit. |
| 10:26.34 | Amarande | and then I would have to get a taxi both ways, which costs more than my work is worth |
| 10:26.47 | Amarande | Corrodias: No, I mean they're going to cut my SCHEDULED hours out of ANTICIPATION of me calling out in winter. |
| 10:26.55 | Amarande | So they don't have to hunt a replacement those days. :P |
| 10:27.05 | Corrodias | what's that person's problem with driving in snow? |
| 10:27.10 | Amarande | I'm basically being marked 'unreliable employee' for the entire winter. |
| 10:27.20 | foxlit | Retail + christmas == why would you want to, anyway? |
| 10:27.41 | Amarande | That's like a raid guild benching an awesome player because OCCASIONALLY they have unpredictable availability issues. |
| 10:28.06 | Amarande | Corrodias: ermm ... |
| 10:28.10 | Corrodias | i don't know where you live; here, once snow falls in winter, it stays, so it's 100% of the time |
| 10:28.19 | Amarande | I live on top of a hill, such that you have to go down-and-up a pair of hills just to get in or out of the area I live in? |
| 10:28.26 | Amarande | And the snowplow usually takes hours from the start of storm to do anything? |
| 10:28.31 | Amarande | And I don't think they've salted yet this year? |
| 10:28.38 | Corrodias | are you asking me? |
| 10:28.53 | Amarande | I'm saying, that should make it pretty self explanatory why the person doesn't want to drive me in such. :) |
| 10:29.04 | Corrodias | it can't be self explanatory if i have to ask you to explain it |
| 10:29.05 | nevcairiel | Well you are unreliable if you don't come in just because it snows |
| 10:29.07 | Trela | Amarande: In response to your questions, no, no, and no. |
| 10:29.29 | Amarande | nevcairiel: when we get significant snow, the roads on the way to work are unsafe. |
| 10:29.32 | nevcairiel | It just makes sense to mark you as such .. because, uh, in winter it does snow :P |
| 10:29.33 | Corrodias | but okay, if they can't handle snowy hills, i guess you're stuck :( |
| 10:29.36 | Amarande | I should be willing to risk my safety to get a paycheck? |
| 10:29.52 | nevcairiel | If you want to keep your job in this economy, yes. |
| 10:30.08 | Corrodias | no, you should be not accusing them about not caring enough about your safety |
| 10:30.12 | Amarande | Or should that be an indication that one of the major ways this economy could be fixed, and perhaps the ONLY way, is "people start dying off more" |
| 10:30.13 | Trela | has driven to work in a foot of snow, loved it. |
| 10:30.21 | Amarande | and therefore, lower safety is probably a GOOD thing for the world as a whole |
| 10:30.22 | nevcairiel | that would help |
| 10:30.24 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 10:30.45 | nevcairiel | How unsafe can a road be that you don't get out at all? Just drive very slowly |
| 10:31.04 | Corrodias | what is the result of them reducing your scheduled hours? they have other people on hand more often? |
| 10:31.14 | Amarande | I've actually started to wonder sometimes if the economy this time is not going to recover like even the Depression did, but is doomed now to get worse and worse until avian flu becomes human transmissible and kills enough people to bring the population down to a level where a solution can be conceived. |
| 10:31.26 | Amarande | Corrodias: they schedule other people, and I could get my gross pay docked down to as low as 170 a week. |
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| 10:31.50 | Amarande | I have a trip to take in March, what I've already put down is non-refundable, and I need to get hotel rooms for two nights bracketing that trip. :P |
| 10:32.01 | Corrodias | so what you're suggesting... |
| 10:32.02 | Amarande | It's the sort of thing that almost makes one want to sell gold. |
| 10:32.12 | Amarande | Except that wouldn't work, since I never actually HAVE any gold lately. LOL |
| 10:32.20 | Corrodias | you're suggesting that they -not- schedule people, and that they just be short-staffed when you can't come in, and -still- not pay you because you're not working those hours? |
| 10:32.35 | Corrodias | unless you're salaried? |
| 10:32.41 | Amarande | Corrodias: in past years, they just hunted down a replacement, or if I was on self scans shut down the self checkouts. |
| 10:32.55 | Amarande | see, this isn't exactly my first winter with the company, which is what is pissing me off. |
| 10:33.26 | Amarande | this is my eleventh winter with the company. |
| 10:33.26 | Amarande | they KNOW I have issues with snow, and they've always managed to bear with me on it before. |
| 10:33.26 | foxlit | Eleven years of retail?! |
| 10:33.26 | Amarande | why be different this year? |
| 10:33.26 | Amarande | foxlit: I'm not exactly sane you know. :) |
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| 11:21.56 | Amarande | which is probably exactly why we get so many well-polished turds in media in general heh |
| 11:22.06 | Corrodias | it's not quite as filled with shit as it was back in the day of FIFTEEN MILLION ATARI TITLES, but it's still there |
| 11:22.30 | Amarande | maximum investment in sales and marketing, minimum investment in actual development |
| 11:22.36 | Corrodias | the nintendo DS and Wii are, of course, nicely supporting the low-end crap titles which are as prevalent as ever |
| 11:22.45 | Amarande | also, whatever happened to the longevity of games? |
| 11:23.06 | Amarande | even as recently as the PSone era, a good game would still be known and talked about for many years after |
| 11:23.07 | Corrodias | some games last a while, but it's a hard trick, and a somewhat unprofitable one |
| 11:23.37 | Amarande | now it seems like games (and really fictional media in general, if Laurell K. Hamilton's blog comments about the average book are accurate) have a lifespan roughly as much as a Cereus cactus flower |
| 11:23.40 | Corrodias | Dragon Age sounds like it's right up your alley, and it may have a thriving community for quite a while (hard to say, not a lot of modules have been made yet), or it may not |
| 11:24.21 | Corrodias | Torchlight fills in the mid range nicely, and it supports user made content, not sure if people -are- going to make a lot of stuff for it |
| 11:24.27 | Amarande | On PC, in particular, even if the desire exists in people to love a game long time, every game is pretty much one Windows Update away from forever being unplayable |
| 11:25.07 | Corrodias | oh, no, you can usually fanagle a game into functioning. |
| 11:25.10 | Amarande | which is why I worry to develop anything significant for NWN2 at this point in particular, despite finding the engine very powerful and interesting. |
| 11:25.35 | Corrodias | remember that XP was the big OS for many years; almost anything that runs in XP runs in Vista/7 |
| 11:25.39 | Amarande | I worry that by the time I finish developing it, barely anyone will be -able- to play it because computers won't behave with the NWN2 engine, and sooner or later Obsidian will stop updating it so there will be no way to avoid that |
| 11:25.47 | Corrodias | so that's compatibility for games quite a while back |
| 11:26.03 | Amarande | Note by comparison that good ancient DOS games retain their popularity simply because the simple architecture of DOS allows it to be emulated so easily. |
| 11:26.06 | Corrodias | we may be ABLE to play it, but since it's NWN2, will we -want- to play it? ;) |
| 11:26.13 | Amarande | There will be no such salvation for Windows games, most likely. |
| 11:26.37 | Corrodias | the ONLY windows game i know of that i've been unable to play due to OS incompatibility is Merchwarrior 2 Mercenaries Titanium Edition |
| 11:26.46 | Amarande | Well, I've also considered NWN1, but there are a few NWN2 specific features that interest me, plus NWN1 is already having OS issues for many folks |
| 11:26.53 | Corrodias | but that's just of the games -i- want to play, i suppose |
| 11:27.14 | Amarande | There are no other significant engines available for RPG development right now. |
| 11:27.18 | Corrodias | i could swear i ran NWN on vista okay, though i didn't actually play it because i was just testing |
| 11:27.24 | Amarande | Oblivion I guess, but that requires more 3D talent than I have. |
| 11:27.38 | Corrodias | Dragon Age, as i mentioned, though i don't know if it's really QUITE ready for large-scale development |
| 11:27.39 | Amarande | Hell, I'm iffy on how capable I feel at developing decent outdoor areas in NWN2 because I'm not that great with graphics dev. |
| 11:27.51 | Corrodias | i haven't kept up on the news |
| 11:28.02 | zenzelezz | if you're really determined, you could try the Unreal engine. You'd have to do a lot of work yourself, but it has been used for some RPGs over the years |
| 11:28.06 | Amarande | Did DA actually come with the editor people wanted? |
| 11:28.12 | zenzelezz | not "classic" RPG, but action-RPG |
| 11:28.23 | Amarande | And does it actually allow editing areas or was that in fact removed (or requires the areas to be made in 3DS Max or Maya?) |
| 11:28.40 | Corrodias | i think so; there were some interviews i read recently where well-known NWN and NWN2 modding community members mentioned how nice it is |
| 11:28.48 | Corrodias | but i have extremely little personal experience with it |
| 11:28.49 | zenzelezz | http://dragonage.bioware.com/toolset/ |
| 11:28.59 | Amarande | That's another thing I dread, the idea that at some point even making a mod-based RPG is going to require me to find the $2,000+ to buy Maya or Max. |
| 11:29.11 | Amarande | At least, one people will want to play. |
| 11:29.32 | Corrodias | as far as i know, you're able to make areas and stuff without 3d modelling tools |
| 11:29.35 | Corrodias | i could ask around |
| 11:29.39 | Amarande | (If I had the money, I'd probably go with Maya since the cheaper edition of Maya is something like $1,500 cheaper than Max) |
| 11:30.03 | Amarande | Last I looked it was something like $1995 Maya Complete, $3495 Max, $6995 Maya Unlimited, or something like that. |
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| 11:30.38 | Amarande | Not to mention I don't know if I have the 3D talent to use any of those anyway. :) |
| 11:30.54 | Amarande | The last time I put out a finished product was an Unlimited Adventures mod for DOS. |
| 11:31.23 | Corrodias | the toolset is a little too powerful/complex for me to figure out how to do stuff, lol |
| 11:31.24 | Amarande | The post-320x200 graphics world has not been kind to Ama's development skills. |
| 11:31.30 | Corrodias | at least just at a glance |
| 11:31.54 | Amarande | mainly because my strongest points are indeed world weaving, story, and mechanics, and not at all graphical presentation |
| 11:32.33 | Amarande | Maybe my talents are no longer ones of significance in today's world? |
| 11:33.02 | Corrodias | oh yeah, nobody likes a good game |
| 11:33.26 | olafski | max used to have a free version just for that |
| 11:33.28 | olafski | maya too I believe |
| 11:33.44 | Amarande | It just seems like my ability to develop has waned in direct proportion with the evolution of graphics. |
| 11:34.11 | Amarande | I remember making all sorts of fun games on my Commodore 8-bit way back when, and I was decent with Unlimited Adventures during the VGA era. |
| 11:34.36 | Corrodias | makes an area... |
| 11:34.46 | Amarande | NWN1 would probably have worked well for me if I had had my design documents all ready sooner |
| 11:35.00 | Amarande | but like I said, people already have OS issues with NWN1, I'm not sure it would be a good idea to invest my time in that aging engine now |
| 11:38.25 | Corrodias | Ah! they're called "levels" now |
| 11:38.36 | Corrodias | which are distinct from both maps and areas >_> and area lists |
| 11:38.39 | Corrodias | i have no idea what i'm doing here |
| 11:39.10 | Corrodias | oh god, so many toolbar buttons |
| 11:39.57 | Amarande | how stable does the toolset seem to run, btw? |
| 11:40.10 | Amarande | one main issue with NWN2, which I think contributes to the reason why there's so few quality modules for it compared to NWN1 |
| 11:40.18 | Corrodias | no idea, if it's anything like the game it should be perfectly stable |
| 11:40.21 | Amarande | is that the toolset was about as stable as francium |
| 11:41.51 | Corrodias | outdoor areas are set up using deformable terrain... not sure what pre-made options there are for buildings |
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| 11:43.28 | Amarande | GAH I JUST WASTED MITHRIL. |
| 11:43.33 | Amarande | note: |
| 11:43.42 | Amarande | never, ever mix up stuff to be DE'd and stuff to be 'chanted :P |
| 11:47.15 | Corrodias | it has a button to... "automatically tessellate the water planes, providing increased vertex density near the shorelines" |
| 11:49.31 | Corrodias | okay, DA has areas, maps. levels, and stages, and i have no idea what the differences are >_< |
| 11:52.48 | Amarande | anyway. |
| 11:52.50 | Amarande | it's almost 7am. |
| 11:52.57 | Amarande | and I need to wait for stuff to sell on AH so I can buy more mithril. :) |
| 11:53.01 | Amarande | so ... time for sleep. :) |
| 11:53.03 | Amarande | laters. |
| 11:53.32 | Corrodias | bye! |
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| 13:23.38 | Cruciformer | Simple question: In the .toc file is a line that starts with a single # officially a comment or am I just getting lucky getting away with it? |
| 13:30.11 | jnwhiteh | nothign is 'official' |
| 13:30.16 | jnwhiteh | ## is a directive |
| 13:42.05 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: Ok ... but using a single # as a comment seems to work and quite a few mods seem to do it. Just wanted to know how "safe" it was, if blizzard had stated anywhere that it was a comment. |
| 13:42.29 | Cruciformer | I guess they dont much state anything anywhere officially :) |
| 13:42.34 | jnwhiteh | nope |
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| 13:45.48 | zenzelezz | *) |
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| 14:37.57 | mikma | ~wtf AD |
| 14:38.11 | foxlit | argent dawn. |
| 14:38.40 | nevcairiel | active directory |
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| 14:50.18 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e5718339e39e799989678dc181099933.png |
| 14:50.35 | jnwhiteh | yay for arbitrary key bindings for spells (on all unit frames) |
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| 14:53.24 | mikma | jnwhiteh: .. b? :D it handles keybinds now too? |
| 14:53.31 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 14:53.35 | mikma | awesome |
| 14:53.43 | mikma | that's something people have requested for ages |
| 14:53.44 | jnwhiteh | the binds _onlY_ work over the unit frames |
| 14:53.49 | jnwhiteh | so they don't interfere with anythign else |
| 14:53.52 | jnwhiteh | well they couldn't be done right before |
| 14:53.56 | jnwhiteh | now they can |
| 14:54.12 | mikma | how about making it selfcast if not mouseovering, possible? |
| 14:54.17 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 14:54.21 | mikma | ok |
| 14:54.23 | jnwhiteh | not without overriding the game's bindings |
| 14:54.25 | jnwhiteh | and i refuse to do that |
| 14:54.44 | jnwhiteh | since it would allow stupid people to override 'b' and then never be able to open their bags |
| 14:54.46 | jnwhiteh | becuase they're stupid. |
| 14:55.08 | foxlit | Hm. OnEnter/OnLeave? |
| 14:55.15 | mikma | hehe |
| 14:55.24 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: yes |
| 14:55.57 | foxlit | Clever :) |
| 14:56.29 | jnwhiteh | Iriel helped me figure out I could do it without forcing the unit frame to derive from the header templates |
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| 14:56.38 | jnwhiteh | its really easy actually, and works quite well =) |
| 14:57.11 | foxlit | Wraps are around, and you can just do that out of combat. |
| 14:57.30 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 14:57.46 | jnwhiteh | I'm concerned a bit about the overhead of swapping between outof combat and in combat bindings |
| 14:57.47 | jnwhiteh | but *shrug* |
| 14:57.53 | jnwhiteh | i'll deal with that when it becomes an issue. |
| 14:57.58 | foxlit | The only corner case might be the frames created in combat by the headers. |
| 14:58.17 | foxlit | But that really does not happen often -- they apparently banned inviting people or changing the raid groups while in combat. |
| 14:58.38 | jnwhiteh | and I still should be able to do it if they register during their initial config function |
| 14:58.40 | jnwhiteh | which they should be |
| 14:59.02 | jnwhiteh | that's why we have frame:CanChangeAttribute() |
| 14:59.13 | jnwhiteh | just dunno if wrap script uses it =) |
| 14:59.20 | foxlit | I don't think it works that way. |
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| 15:00.19 | foxlit | Wrapping has an explicit lockdown check *and* uses a separate frame as a way to cleanse arguments. |
| 15:00.33 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 15:00.37 | zenzelezz | people use B for opening the backpack? I use F12 |
| 15:00.48 | foxlit | B is a lot more convinient |
| 15:00.55 | zenzelezz | not in my opinion |
| 15:00.57 | foxlit | F12 you have to reach for with your right hand. |
| 15:01.07 | jnwhiteh | i shift-b |
| 15:01.11 | foxlit | While shift-B is a comfortable left hand-only combination. |
| 15:01.13 | nevcairiel | seriously B i can touch with my movement hand |
| 15:01.28 | zenzelezz | Shift+B is unrelated to B IIRC |
| 15:01.53 | foxlit | Well, you rarely if ever want to open just your backpack. |
| 15:02.00 | foxlit | But yeah, different bindings. |
| 15:02.21 | zenzelezz | I tend to only open one bag at a time |
| 15:02.31 | zenzelezz | using F8-F12 |
| 15:03.17 | nevcairiel | I use a one-big-bag addon, and always will |
| 15:03.33 | nevcairiel | hate having different bags |
| 15:03.35 | zenzelezz | that's your choice, obviously :) |
| 15:04.05 | zenzelezz | I like separating my stuff, so I can easily change what I'm carrying. Habit from lugging around resistance gear and whatnot |
| 15:04.20 | nevcairiel | I just sort that into rows or similar |
| 15:04.31 | nevcairiel | would hate having 20 slot bags and one set take up 21 slots |
| 15:04.33 | nevcairiel | what to do now? |
| 15:04.59 | zenzelezz | I don't know how big-bag addons work when swapping bags. I just like being able to drag one specific bag onto my bank to swap them around |
| 15:05.29 | zenzelezz | thankfully I've never had anything take too much space after we got 20-slot bags, but I've had problems like that before |
| 15:05.45 | zenzelezz | typically had trouble with consumables since I have a habit of carrying 8 stacks of bandages |
| 15:10.20 | jnwhiteh | i should release BagBuddy |
| 15:10.21 | jnwhiteh | its nice. |
| 15:10.35 | zenzelezz | what does it do? |
| 15:13.41 | zenzelezz | come to think of it, I wrote a small addon that added a bag ring to Opie |
| 15:14.27 | jnwhiteh | BagBuddy sorts your inventory by 'last item looted', and gives you 24 items per page with common items stacked. |
| 15:14.37 | jnwhiteh | and lets you search by name and rarity |
| 15:16.06 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:25.04 | zenzelezz | jnwhiteh: ah, that's interesting |
| 15:25.48 | jnwhiteh | I can toss it up somewhere if you want to play with it |
| 15:25.51 | jnwhiteh | or i could just release it. |
| 15:25.53 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 15:36.25 | Fisker | or you could do that |
| 15:36.40 | Fisker | you could even make it look like onebag/bank/ring/etc. |
| 15:40.13 | Fisker | do it jnwhiteh |
| 15:41.20 | foxlit | I end up sorting my stuff through the default UI. |
| 15:41.43 | foxlit | It's usually pretty sane; never annoyed me enough to want to do anything about it. |
| 15:41.43 | jnwhiteh | I wrote it so I could find the quest items I just looted =) |
| 15:41.52 | foxlit | OPie does that. |
| 15:42.04 | jnwhiteh | I don't use OPie |
| 15:42.05 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 15:42.10 | foxlit | (If there items are usable, which is pretty much the only reason you want to find them) |
| 15:42.21 | jnwhiteh | *nod* that's good |
| 15:42.31 | Fisker | i'm going to physically harm you jnwhiteh |
| 15:42.36 | Fisker | *shakes fist* |
| 15:42.38 | foxlit | I was planning to respond with "I wrote OPie for that," but that isn't quite the case. |
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| 15:43.06 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy help me physically harm jnwhiteh |
| 15:43.45 | foxlit | "Every once in a while a box will show up at my door: "You need this. We found it at an awesome price. You will be billed via Google Finance"." |
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| 15:44.26 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, I can't reach him from here. What's he done? |
| 15:46.26 | jnwhiteh | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info15312-BagBuddy.html |
| 15:47.42 | jnwhiteh | gah need to do more work on clique2 |
| 15:47.52 | jnwhiteh | shower first, then HoN then more |
| 15:49.00 | Lopeppeppy | You're protesting his release of BagBuddy? |
| 15:51.50 | Wobin | zenzelezz, onebag highlights the slots that each bag covers if you mouseover the bags themselves |
| 15:52.22 | zenzelezz | I see |
| 15:53.55 | Fisker | naw Lopeppeppy |
| 15:54.40 | Fisker | I was protesting the opposite |
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| 15:55.00 | Lopeppeppy | You're made of insanity, you realize. |
| 15:55.11 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:09.10 | Fisker | you hurt me Lopeppeppy |
| 16:09.48 | Lopeppeppy | How may I phrase it in the future, so as to be accurate and yet kindly? |
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| 16:10.02 | foxlit | grr. |
| 16:10.07 | foxlit | I need a better raster image editor |
| 16:10.42 | Bruners | http://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/WoWScrnShot_120609_170841.jpg not intended behavior of traveling mount vendor is it? |
| 16:13.26 | Fisker | nope |
| 16:13.34 | Fisker | sometimes the servers lag and they stick around for some time |
| 16:13.40 | Fisker | what addon is that btw? |
| 16:14.35 | Bruners | what addon ? |
| 16:16.38 | Fisker | that addon |
| 16:17.16 | Fisker | i.e. vendor shit |
| 16:18.10 | Bruners | gnomishvendorshrinker |
| 16:18.38 | foxlit | is so making a goblin version of that. |
| 16:19.20 | Bruners | but i have the steino version |
| 16:19.38 | Fisker | foxlit would that be one that blows up? |
| 16:19.44 | foxlit | In your face, Fisker. |
| 16:19.49 | foxlit | And you'll like it, too :) |
| 16:20.34 | foxlit | * No refunds. 100% of customers who survived claimed they liked the explosion. Sampling error: up to 100%. |
| 16:21.08 | Bruners | Fisker: http://github.com/steino/GnomishVendorShrinker |
| 16:21.23 | Fisker | it's not on curse or wowi? |
| 16:21.31 | Bruners | im sure tekkub's one is |
| 16:21.47 | Bruners | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14425-GnomishVendorShrinker.html |
| 16:22.07 | Bruners | but it buys stuff when you click with mouse1 |
| 16:22.16 | Bruners | i dont like that :P |
| 16:22.28 | Bruners | bought the 8k gold mount because of that |
| 16:23.05 | Fisker | i don't like that either |
| 16:23.41 | Bruners | thats why i use the one steino hacked on |
| 16:27.07 | Fisker | but i hate github(for lesbians) |
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| 16:35.11 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/12/06/funny-pictures-kitteh-wuvs-u/ |
| 16:47.52 | Lopeppeppy | That's a heavy collar poor kitteh is wearing! |
| 16:59.11 | zenzelezz | she seems happy enough |
| 17:01.50 | foxlit | "Avatar is one of the few excellent shooting game appropriate for children." |
| 17:02.15 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, shooting games are soooo appropriate in general. *rolls eyes* |
| 17:09.40 | Arrowmaster | the one based on the new movie? |
| 17:09.42 | zenzelezz | finally someone has thought of the children and made a more accessible shooting game; now we can start preparing to handing out handguns in pre-school |
| 17:09.54 | Arrowmaster | or the one people use to pad their XBL gamerscore? |
| 17:10.45 | foxlit | metacritic user comments on the 360 version of the former. |
| 17:11.10 | Fisker | i need an addon that plays the final fantasy fanfare when a mob kill someone you're pvp'ing |
| 17:11.10 | Fisker | :3 |
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| 17:53.06 | Kraps | hey guys have you heard? |
| 17:53.20 | Kraps | bird is the word! |
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| 17:54.23 | Beladona | I read that as bird Kraps |
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| 17:55.00 | Kraps | i commend you on your excellent reading skills |
| 17:56.44 | Lopeppeppy | Grease is the word. |
| 17:57.20 | Ginji | Greased Lightning! |
| 18:00.48 | foxlit | How reliable is the elapsed timer supplied to OnUpdate? |
| 18:01.26 | mikma | big balls |
| 18:01.45 | nevcairiel | It tells you the time between runs reliably, could try adding it up and comparing GetTime after a while, but i dont think its that much difference |
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| 18:09.09 | zenzelezz | is there any halfway easy method to determine the item ID of a crafted item based on a spell ID? (ie. taking the spell ID (62202) or link string from "[Blacksmithing: Titanium Plating]" and finding the ID of the actual Titanium Plating item ID (44936)) |
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| 18:27.27 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/box/ring.svg << this bugs me |
| 18:27.47 | foxlit | The hat is supposed to be symmetric, yet I'm convinced there's something wrong with it. |
| 18:28.14 | zenzelezz | looks correct to me |
| 18:29.19 | Shirik | it looks off-center, but it's an optical illusion foxlit |
| 18:30.31 | foxlit | The left side seems... higher?... than the right. |
| 18:31.23 | foxlit | And yet its not. |
| 18:35.33 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/scientists-create-worlds-smallest-snowman/ |
| 18:35.35 | Adys | cute |
| 18:36.19 | Lopeppeppy | Very adorable. |
| 18:36.21 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/snake-foot-china/ |
| 18:36.23 | Adys | less cute |
| 18:45.57 | Beladona | anyone know if there is a version of Bartender for the PTR, or does the current BT4 already work there? |
| 18:48.03 | nevcairiel | There is a fixed version in the Git repository |
| 18:48.35 | nevcairiel | but short of the micromenu, it should've worked anyway |
| 18:50.38 | nevcairiel | I didn't really get to do all the stuff i wanted to do for 3.3, and moved the big changes up to the future |
| 18:52.00 | Lopeppeppy | Long as it works, life is good and goes forward merrily. |
| 18:52.27 | Beladona | aye |
| 18:54.10 | Lopeppeppy | feels merry! |
| 18:55.39 | Cairenn | hahahhaa http://blog.jeremybell.com/2009/12/03/so-i-got-arrested-by-the-swat-team-last-night/ |
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| 18:56.57 | Adys | that gun looks really cool |
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| 18:57.02 | Cairenn | yeah, it does |
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| 18:57.41 | Cairenn | if you haven't, watch the video |
| 18:57.43 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:57.58 | Cairenn | I love the neighbour holding up a sign, at the end |
| 18:58.18 | nevcairiel | you really have be far away to mistake that for a real gun tbh |
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| 18:58.35 | Lopeppeppy | They were probably in the next building over or something, looking through the window. |
| 18:58.45 | Cairenn | that's exactly what it was |
| 18:58.49 | airtonix | neurotic fail people |
| 18:59.03 | nevcairiel | The selected item is not currently available |
| 18:59.09 | nevcairiel | no video for me :( |
| 18:59.19 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 18:59.28 | nevcairiel | i bet they block non-US again |
| 18:59.35 | Cairenn | ummm, no |
| 18:59.40 | Cairenn | it's a Canadian station ;) |
| 18:59.41 | airtonix | hi i'm the person from which 3d shooter games model their neurotic civilians from. my main skill is termbling in fear at the sign of a mouse demostrating agression |
| 18:59.49 | nevcairiel | then non-canadian! |
| 18:59.50 | mikma | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Amazing%20Horse/ |
| 19:00.48 | zenzelezz | that gun story reminded me of http://failblog.org/2009/04/09/investigation-fail-2/ |
| 19:00.48 | Cairenn | so http://www.globaltoronto.com/video/index.html?releasePID=vYVAUVBhw52p9CtgzIqqNveQrTQtwMqL doesn't work for you nevcairiel? |
| 19:00.51 | Fisker | old |
| 19:00.55 | Fisker | oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold mikma |
| 19:01.01 | airtonix | i also like to peep out windows across the street from my dead day job in the hope that i'll spot an innocent person holding a gun like object. after which i take much glee in calling the police and causing mass panic |
| 19:01.15 | nevcairiel | Cairenn: hm now it does, mustve been a temporary error |
| 19:01.55 | mikma | fisker: i don't give a fuck |
| 19:01.58 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:02.02 | Shirik | Tauren DK named Moograine |
| 19:02.39 | Fisker | well mikma you replied so i would say that qualifies as giving a fuck |
| 19:02.40 | Fisker | ;3 |
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| 19:02.43 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Beladona] by ChanServ |
| 19:02.53 | Cairenn | staples Beladona to the channels |
| 19:02.54 | mikma | fisker: nope |
| 19:03.27 | Fisker | indeed it does |
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| 19:03.41 | airtonix | hear hear! |
| 19:03.42 | mikma | it's simple |
| 19:03.47 | mikma | <2103> Ignoring ALL from fisker |
| 19:03.52 | mikma | oh wow, it was simple |
| 19:05.22 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 19:05.28 | Fisker | And still he gives a fuck |
| 19:05.46 | Bruners | ahh you have also ignored him |
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| 19:06.36 | mikma | yeah, enough trolling makes my head hurt, and it happened moment ago |
| 19:12.06 | Ginji | Ignoring people leads to awkward situations |
| 19:12.48 | Ginji | One person which looks like he's having a conversation with himself |
| 19:12.54 | Ginji | amongst others |
| 19:13.06 | mikma | ginji: no, not really. since fisker rarely talks anything that has any sense.. |
| 19:14.05 | Ginji | I think ignoring people is a sign of weakness! Since apparantly you can't just ignore him without having to not read what he's typing |
| 19:14.41 | Ginji | I just zone out, like I always do when people moan about things |
| 19:14.48 | mikma | also, i rarely read what he types. not more than 2 words |
| 19:15.39 | Ginji | <date> Fisker: ** blur ** |
| 19:15.43 | mikma | only things he's "good" at is either a) slapping people with default mirc troutslap, b) screaming old |
| 19:15.48 | Fisker | indeed Ginji |
| 19:16.02 | Fisker | i've yet to ignore anyone but spambots :o |
| 19:16.03 | mikma | two things i won't be missing :) |
| 19:16.19 | Cairenn | I think the topic is pretty much covered and needs to be dropped |
| 19:16.42 | mikma | no, we must continue. |
| 19:16.52 | Lopeppeppy | Who's watching football for me today? |
| 19:16.59 | Ginji | soccer? |
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| 19:17.06 | Fisker | i would if i could |
| 19:17.16 | mikma | soccer, oooooooooooooooooooold </fisker> |
| 19:17.19 | Lopeppeppy | Football, not soccer, Ginji. |
| 19:17.27 | Cairenn | Ginji: american football |
| 19:17.29 | mikma | you mean handegg? |
| 19:17.31 | Ginji | I'm just clarifying |
| 19:17.45 | Bruners | did you test gnomish Fisker ? |
| 19:17.56 | Bruners | mikma: the trick to success is to pretend you havent ignored him |
| 19:18.11 | Lopeppeppy | My stream is not loading, of course... I miss having a TV, but only for football! |
| 19:18.15 | Fisker | mikma is jealous :( |
| 19:18.20 | mikma | bruners: ah. ok |
| 19:19.10 | Ginji | silly amarok |
| 19:19.20 | Ginji | WTB foobar2000 for linux |
| 19:19.30 | Bruners | word |
| 19:19.36 | Lopeppeppy | I'm attempting to watch New England in Miami. It's always funny to watch them sweat when they go somewhere non-New England. |
| 19:22.17 | Ginji | Buena Vista Social Club! |
| 19:22.55 | Ginji | that uncommong enough for you haste ? |
| 19:23.01 | Bruners | i would also like cc4 on linux |
| 19:23.12 | Ginji | s/ng/n/ |
| 19:28.51 | *** join/#wowuidev blvir (n=blvir@gein.vistech.net) |
| 19:28.51 | blvir | hey does anyone know how to get help when an account has been hacked? |
| 19:28.51 | Cairenn | contact Blizz Account Services |
| 19:28.51 | Lopeppeppy | Let me get you the address from the CS forum, blvir, I think it's Accounts... |
| 19:28.52 | Lopeppeppy | Syndri says, Read Me! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14318909866&sid=1 |
| 19:28.52 | blvir | By the way what's with the new auth. ? |
| 19:28.52 | blvir | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14318909866&s |
| 19:28.52 | blvir | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.53 | Adys | wowgmeu@blizzard.com does it too |
| 19:28.59 | Adys | if you're in eu |
| 19:29.47 | Fisker | i don't think so |
| 19:29.56 | Fisker | atleast unlike US they've never advertised it |
| 19:30.10 | blvir | yeah but they can't retrieve all my stuff... or can they? |
| 19:30.22 | Bruners | depends |
| 19:30.25 | Cairenn | they usually retrieve most, if not all |
| 19:30.27 | Fisker | if it's reported early enough you can |
| 19:30.37 | Fisker | usually within 2 months |
| 19:30.53 | Bruners | Fisker: did you give gnomeish a test run ? |
| 19:31.01 | Fisker | raidin' |
| 19:31.26 | Adys | [21:30:10] <blvir> yeah but they can't retrieve all my stuff... or can they? |
| 19:31.32 | blvir | I'm a level 80. They stole everything from my guild even |
| 19:31.33 | Adys | they retrieve every single damn item and copper |
| 19:31.41 | Fisker | even guild bank contents |
| 19:31.42 | Adys | guildbank, mail, trash, enchants, gems |
| 19:31.58 | Bruners | how do you get hacked? |
| 19:32.01 | Lopeppeppy | Well... not always for enchants and gems, but the sooner you petition, the better! |
| 19:32.11 | Adys | Bruners: let me send you a mail, click the exe in it |
| 19:32.13 | blvir | the new authentification |
| 19:32.40 | Lopeppeppy | "the new authentication" ? |
| 19:32.44 | Bruners | Adys: try, i want to test what happends |
| 19:32.45 | Seerah | blvir: what do you mean? |
| 19:32.54 | Bruners | Adys: bruners@gmail.com |
| 19:32.54 | Adys | i was kidding |
| 19:33.16 | Adys | and erm |
| 19:33.30 | Adys | you get "hacked" by giving away your account and pw somehow |
| 19:33.39 | blvir | yeah its called auth code you have to enter right after logging in |
| 19:33.52 | Bruners | have done that several times, even wrote it in this channel by mistake |
| 19:33.58 | nevcairiel | authenticator! |
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| 19:34.11 | Adys | Bruners: to someone who is willing to compromise you |
| 19:34.15 | blvir | yep that's the one |
| 19:34.20 | Lopeppeppy | blvir, the authenticator did not hack you. :) Something else might have, but not that. |
| 19:34.33 | mikma | haha |
| 19:34.34 | blvir | well it helped |
| 19:34.41 | blvir | whoever it was |
| 19:34.44 | Adys | it certainly didnt |
| 19:34.46 | Seerah | helped what? hack you? |
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| 19:34.49 | mikma | sorry that's superfunny |
| 19:35.04 | Adys | its a randomly generated code every 30 seconds which serves as a temporary second password |
| 19:35.16 | Seerah | no. the authenticator is something you purchased from Blizzard (or received at '08 BlizzCon) to PROTECT your account |
| 19:35.24 | Adys | I'm sorry that's like saying your kitchen set your house on fire |
| 19:35.42 | Bruners | the kitchen can set your house on fire :P |
| 19:35.50 | blvir | that's my only explaination |
| 19:35.51 | mikma | but doing it on purpose? |
| 19:36.04 | blvir | I didn't have that auth. enabled |
| 19:36.09 | Bruners | blvir: do you use ventrilo-mix ? |
| 19:36.14 | blvir | yeah |
| 19:36.19 | Bruners | owned |
| 19:36.24 | blvir | how? |
| 19:36.44 | mikma | bruners "madskills" coded a keylogger in ir |
| 19:36.49 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. So if it's not enabled, your account was more vulnerable. That's the entire reason why people USE the authenticators. :) After you get your account back, do yourself a favor and get one. |
| 19:36.57 | Bruners | its known to include a keylogger for some of the downloads you find |
| 19:37.08 | Shirik | you know |
| 19:37.13 | Bruners | and its the most used gaming tool so a good spot for it |
| 19:37.14 | Shirik | is it 2009? |
| 19:37.15 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:37.20 | Shirik | lua> 2009 - 1987 |
| 19:37.21 | lua_bot | Shirik: 22 |
| 19:37.23 | nevcairiel | Shirik: for about 4 more weeks |
| 19:37.35 | Shirik | I think for the last month or so I've been telling people I'm 23 years old |
| 19:37.41 | Seerah | .... |
| 19:37.52 | Shirik | I fail |
| 19:37.57 | nevcairiel | screwign up your own age? |
| 19:37.58 | zenzelezz | we know this |
| 19:37.58 | nevcairiel | ~failrik |
| 19:37.59 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 19:38.00 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:38.01 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, it's okay. No one is going to nail you to a door for being imprecise. |
| 19:38.05 | Seerah | nev beat me :p |
| 19:38.26 | Seerah | huggles Shirik anyway |
| 19:38.29 | Shirik | I feel a little better now |
| 19:38.55 | nevcairiel | is your birthday at least in an early month next year? |
| 19:38.57 | Bruners | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10867847375&sid=1 |
| 19:39.02 | Fisker | If anything the authenticator helps you |
| 19:39.53 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:39.57 | Shirik | January |
| 19:40.12 | blvir | yeah but I didn't enable it |
| 19:40.13 | Fisker | 17th? |
| 19:40.14 | Shirik | but I thought I was almost 24 |
| 19:40.18 | blvir | that's the problem |
| 19:40.19 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:40.22 | Fisker | i know bleeter |
| 19:40.23 | Fisker | blvir |
| 19:40.29 | Bruners | Shirik: i had the same problem two years ago actually :P |
| 19:40.29 | Fisker | it's still helpful though |
| 19:40.40 | foxlit | Shirik: aren't you 2? |
| 19:40.41 | Shirik | no Fisker I do not share your birthday |
| 19:40.46 | blvir | but someone locked me out of my own account |
| 19:40.51 | Fisker | i know that as well |
| 19:41.00 | Fisker | Shirik my birthday is december 29th |
| 19:41.05 | Fisker | not january |
| 19:41.12 | Lopeppeppy | Get in touch with Account Services, blvir, get your account back, and then activate your authenticator so it doesn't happen again. |
| 19:41.15 | Shirik | why 17? |
| 19:41.24 | blvir | thx |
| 19:41.26 | Fisker | my mom's birthday :P |
| 19:41.30 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:41.34 | Fisker | was wondering if you were my mom |
| 19:41.34 | Bruners | blvir: before you get your account back, clean your computer! |
| 19:41.36 | Fisker | who knows? |
| 19:41.41 | blvir | just did |
| 19:42.05 | Bruners | blvir: what did you do to clean it? |
| 19:42.09 | Seerah | blvir: do it again before you change your password |
| 19:42.11 | blvir | Avast |
| 19:42.14 | Bruners | empty the recycle bin ? :P |
| 19:42.15 | Shirik | Fisker, I am your mother |
| 19:42.18 | Fisker | awesome |
| 19:42.19 | Bruners | blvir: did it find anything ? |
| 19:42.25 | blvir | nope |
| 19:42.27 | blvir | nothing |
| 19:42.37 | Bruners | then its obviously not clean |
| 19:42.57 | blvir | no its called BUTE FORCE |
| 19:43.01 | Seerah | have you used your WoW account (even on forums) on any other computer in the last 6 months? |
| 19:43.16 | nevcairiel | noone brute forces wow accounts |
| 19:43.17 | Shirik | I seriously doubt anyone brute forces WoW accounts |
| 19:43.27 | blvir | change from a xp to a new win7 |
| 19:43.36 | Bruners | i pretty sure blizzard would pick up on a brute force attack on an account and lock it down |
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| 19:44.23 | Fisker | they do |
| 19:44.34 | Fisker | which is also kinda annoying since you can grief people that way |
| 19:44.40 | Ginji | When you get hacked it's pebcak |
| 19:44.47 | Ginji | since it's not really hacking per se |
| 19:45.03 | Ginji | The Intartubes Is Not Your Friend! |
| 19:45.14 | Fisker | i think the hackers hacked blizzard and got their non-existing passwords from there |
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| 19:46.48 | Fisker | Anub'Arak down! |
| 19:46.52 | Fisker | ...into the ground |
| 19:46.56 | Fisker | ...killing us with spikes |
| 19:46.57 | Stanzilla | gz |
| 19:46.58 | Shirik | about time noob |
| 19:47.03 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:47.05 | Shirik | fail |
| 19:47.05 | Fisker | :D |
| 19:47.11 | Fisker | we lost the tank |
| 19:47.16 | Fisker | so might as well get a quick wipe |
| 19:47.18 | Shirik | Fisker violates the english language |
| 19:47.28 | Shirik | he is no longer authorized to use English |
| 19:47.41 | Fisker | ;( |
| 19:47.50 | Thunder_Child | actually Shirik, that was valid |
| 19:47.57 | Shirik | I know |
| 19:47.59 | Bruners | ventrilo-mix should get banned from the interwebs |
| 19:48.27 | Shirik | tbh I'm not sure it's legal |
| 19:48.45 | Shirik | and I'm surprised flagship hasn't rained down on them yet |
| 19:49.07 | Bruners | i see no point in using it |
| 19:49.18 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 19:49.28 | Fisker | just get mumble if you want to run bootleg servers |
| 19:49.29 | nevcairiel | its for those people that still run those shitty old servers because they are free to host |
| 19:49.41 | Fisker | "just get mumble if you want to run bootleg servers" << |
| 19:49.51 | Bruners | can still host 3.0 servers for free if you ues a proper client :P |
| 19:50.09 | Fisker | isn't that only like 5 people servers? |
| 19:50.14 | zenzelezz | 8 |
| 19:50.30 | Bruners | a client that doesnt call home each time it connects |
| 19:51.04 | blvir | see ya! |
| 19:51.38 | Fisker | r-r-r-raaaaaaagequit |
| 19:52.54 | Shirik | vent is rather... intrusive |
| 19:53.06 | Yssaril | whats the rule on mining data from wowhead for addons? is it acceptable? do we need permission? etc |
| 19:53.09 | Shirik | I would hate it if it wasn't the only decent voip client |
| 19:53.13 | Shirik | client/server |
| 19:53.15 | zenzelezz | Shirik: how so? |
| 19:53.36 | Bruners | Yssaril: ask and you will get permission |
| 19:53.40 | Fisker | mumble Shirik |
| 19:53.47 | nevcairiel | mumble is superior imho, just needs user acceptance :P |
| 19:53.50 | Shirik | Are you aware that flagship has the power to shut down any client or server remotely? (servers, for sure) |
| 19:53.56 | Yssaril | Bruners: k cool |
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| 19:54.05 | Shirik | Admittedly, as far as I'm aware they've only ever used it once |
| 19:54.08 | Shirik | but it's there |
| 19:54.10 | Bruners | Yssaril: also there is wowdb from curse |
| 19:54.22 | Adys | Yssaril: what kind of data do you need? |
| 19:54.25 | Ginji | Indeed Mumble! |
| 19:54.30 | Bruners | Mangler! |
| 19:54.41 | Ginji | TS is still crap, vent doesn't run on linux |
| 19:54.43 | Yssaril | Adys: boss loot data |
| 19:54.47 | Adys | mmk |
| 19:54.48 | Bruners | to bad it needs pulseaudio :( |
| 19:54.48 | Ginji | So, Mumble! |
| 19:55.02 | Bruners | Ginji: Mangler = Ventrilo = Linux |
| 19:55.16 | p3lim | When committing on git the author and comitter says 'unknown', what's wrong? |
| 19:55.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Sargeras (n=Sargeras@75.80.16.10) |
| 19:55.33 | Shirik | your author isn't set |
| 19:55.36 | Bruners | p3lim: git config -global user.name p3lim |
| 19:55.39 | Bruners | or something like that |
| 19:56.04 | Shirik | that's one thing that bugs me about distributed systems |
| 19:56.17 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/rotating-kitchen-art/ |
| 19:56.19 | Ginji | Bruners: pulseaudio sucks! |
| 19:56.28 | Shirik | No way to confirm who actually wrote something. I would like to see a distributed system that uses certs to authenticate who wrote a changeset |
| 19:56.30 | Bruners | Ginji: i know, but it works! |
| 19:56.39 | Ginji | mumble works better |
| 19:56.55 | Bruners | Ginji: enjoy not being on ventrilo then |
| 19:57.02 | haste | Shirik: most people slap you silly if you commit something with (or without) name and email |
| 19:57.03 | nevcairiel | pulseaudio works just fine, and for what it does so easily, there is no replacement that doesnt suck .. so you just accept the suckage :P |
| 19:57.03 | Ginji | I am |
| 19:57.13 | Shirik | haste: But what about if I commit something with your name and email? |
| 19:57.15 | Ginji | Alsa! |
| 19:57.26 | Bruners | haha alsa... |
| 19:57.40 | nevcairiel | per-application volume control with alsa? good luck ;) |
| 19:57.41 | Ginji | Get a decent soundcard with a HW mixer and alsa is awesome |
| 19:57.41 | haste | Shirik: then your an idiot for commiting under someone elses name |
| 19:57.45 | haste | I don't really see the issue |
| 19:57.49 | Shirik | how would anyone know :) |
| 19:58.03 | Ginji | per-application software volume is overrated |
| 19:58.04 | haste | well, for one if your pushing somewhere |
| 19:58.23 | haste | most people will know who is upshing what |
| 19:58.28 | Shirik | I could be one change in a list of 50 that were merged from tons of different people. Do you honestly think it is that easy to see? |
| 19:58.43 | Shirik | you are too trusting |
| 19:58.54 | Fisker | btw Bruners got a screenshot again? |
| 19:58.57 | Fisker | looks a bit weird on mine |
| 19:59.02 | haste | no, your making this meh |
| 19:59.21 | haste | 1. Why would you merge in something with ~50 authors at once |
| 19:59.31 | Shirik | because it's parallel development? |
| 19:59.42 | Shirik | you've never worked on a feature branch? |
| 19:59.42 | kd3 | looks at the kernel |
| 19:59.50 | haste | I have |
| 19:59.53 | Ginji | haste: Buena Vista Social Club! |
| 20:00.04 | nevcairiel | Shirik: so how do you get your fake commit in a feature branch that the maintainer pulls from? |
| 20:00.05 | haste | but I never fucking merge anything without it ever being through one hop of validation |
| 20:00.13 | haste | exactly |
| 20:00.17 | kd3 | looks at how every commit has an author/sign-off trail |
| 20:00.17 | Shirik | And I said 50 changes, not 50 authors |
| 20:00.21 | Bruners | Fisker: http://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/WoWScrnShot_120609_205830.jpg |
| 20:00.36 | Shirik | nevcairiel, I'm not sure I understand what you're asking |
| 20:00.48 | Fisker | hmm |
| 20:00.52 | Fisker | mine looks a bit weird |
| 20:01.04 | Shirik | haste: That's a severe limitation if I'm understanding you correctly |
| 20:01.06 | Fisker | like the font is bigger than it should be and was downsized a bit |
| 20:01.09 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you can create commits under every name, sure, but how do you get the maintainer of the upstream repo to actually pull your changes into the master? |
| 20:01.10 | haste | Shirik: he's asking how you would fake a commit directly to the maintainer without the maintainer noticing |
| 20:01.15 | Ginji | oops kde is broken after the update |
| 20:01.15 | Ginji | relogging! |
| 20:01.17 | Shirik | Limiting myself to a group of 3 people, I haven't been able to uphold that |
| 20:01.32 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Because you have a feature that he wants |
| 20:01.48 | Fisker | anyone know an auto-repair mod that uses guild funds if available? |
| 20:01.53 | Shirik | You've been working on a feature branch with a group of people |
| 20:01.57 | *** join/#wowuidev DWSR (n=doingwha@unaffiliated/dwsr) |
| 20:02.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Ginji (n=Ginji@cc1040670-a.gorre1.fr.home.nl) |
| 20:02.03 | Shirik | a parallel branch that is now complete and ready to be pulled into the master |
| 20:02.11 | DWSR | Anyone here know if b += 2; is valid C? |
| 20:02.20 | Shirik | assuming b is an integral type, yes |
| 20:02.21 | kd3 | fisker; most of them? I use Automaton |
| 20:02.29 | Fisker | that works? |
| 20:02.33 | DWSR | Shirik: Integer type? :P |
| 20:02.35 | nevcairiel | Shirik: if you're authorized to push into that branch, why would you even want to fake your name? |
| 20:02.38 | Shirik | integral, not integer |
| 20:02.43 | Ginji | WTF! |
| 20:02.47 | kd3 | unless something changed in the last week or two |
| 20:02.48 | Ginji | When did I ask for Nepomuk! |
| 20:02.52 | Fisker | http://i50.tinypic.com/if525j.png <- Bruners |
| 20:02.53 | DWSR | Shirik: Oh, nevermind. I see. Thanks. :) |
| 20:02.55 | Fisker | looks like O_o |
| 20:02.56 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Because you don't want something traced back to you? |
| 20:03.01 | Bruners | if someone pushed a fake patch it wouldnt be to hard to go back and fix it |
| 20:03.29 | Shirik | or perhaps you hate people and want to mimic that person to get everyone to go "wtf" at him |
| 20:03.43 | Fisker | yeah it has a "guild" function |
| 20:03.47 | nevcairiel | If you are like that, you'll do it once, and thats it :P |
| 20:03.47 | Fisker | learns2read |
| 20:03.52 | Fisker | but doesn't that font look fucked Bruners ? |
| 20:04.01 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:04.04 | Shirik | what does that mean? |
| 20:04.08 | Bruners | Fisker: it does, are you sure you arent using some stupid font with wierd numbers ? |
| 20:04.16 | Fisker | calibri perhaps |
| 20:04.18 | Bruners | Fisker: that gets pulled in just for that |
| 20:04.29 | Bruners | or looks wierd at that setting |
| 20:04.38 | Shirik | I mean, seriously, it can't be difficult to incorporate PGP into it |
| 20:04.47 | Shirik | And hell, that would promote key signing in the web of trust |
| 20:04.50 | haste | Shirik: it already has PGP |
| 20:04.55 | nevcairiel | they just dont see the need for it ;) |
| 20:05.07 | haste | they use signed commits on the git kernel tree |
| 20:05.13 | Shirik | ! |
| 20:05.16 | Shirik | Then why are we arguing this?! |
| 20:05.22 | Shirik | That's all you had to say |
| 20:05.26 | Bruners | because you can ? |
| 20:05.57 | Bruners | Fisker: but it looks like the number font is bigger than the rest imo |
| 20:06.29 | Fisker | yeah |
| 20:06.42 | nevcairiel | in the kernel tree nearly every change has at least 2 SOBs, if you do something bad that you don't want traced to you, people will notice before it reaches the mainline repo |
| 20:09.02 | Fisker | what font you use Bruners ? |
| 20:09.18 | Bruners | Fisker: the one haste uses, dont remember the name of it |
| 20:09.26 | Fisker | haste |
| 20:09.29 | Fisker | what font does Bruners use? |
| 20:09.44 | haste | Fisker: meiryo |
| 20:10.09 | Bruners | haste: what do you use to view fonts in linux ? |
| 20:10.23 | haste | uhm, nothing D: |
| 20:10.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Repo (n=supybot@repos.curseforge.net) |
| 20:10.37 | nevcairiel | haste doesnt view fonts, fotns view haste |
| 20:10.53 | Shirik | haste is russian? |
| 20:10.57 | Yssaril | Fisker: what addon is that? |
| 20:11.09 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (i=smcn@c-67-166-76-157.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 20:11.11 | Bruners | Yssaril: gnomishvendorshrinker |
| 20:11.19 | Yssaril | ahhhh cool |
| 20:11.22 | Fisker | link haste |
| 20:11.40 | haste | Fisker: can't |
| 20:11.45 | Fisker | Meiryo (ã¡ã¤ãªãª Meirio?) is a Japanese sans-serif gothic typeface |
| 20:11.46 | haste | it's propritary! |
| 20:11.47 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 20:11.56 | haste | I use the fork of it even |
| 20:12.00 | haste | meiryokegothic |
| 20:12.55 | Fisker | well i got 2 different meiryoke fonts here |
| 20:13.01 | Fisker | or whatever |
| 20:14.37 | Shirik | hm. Wouldn't Meiryo be ã¡ã¤ãªã§? |
| 20:14.58 | Shirik | What's listed there is Meiriyo |
| 20:14.58 | Bruners | Fisker: the really cool part with gnomish is this http://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/WoWScrnShot_102409_191243.jpg |
| 20:15.32 | Shirik | and wtf does it mean to be "Japanese sans-serif"? |
| 20:15.40 | Shirik | There are no serif marks on japanese characters o.o |
| 20:16.00 | Fisker | you wouldn't Shirik |
| 20:16.01 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 20:16.04 | Fisker | it's wikipedia |
| 20:16.08 | Fisker | yeah Bruners already saw that |
| 20:16.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Aqua (n=Aquavett@74-137-182-78.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 20:16.29 | Shirik | I take shower now |
| 20:16.32 | Shirik | baibai |
| 20:17.01 | Fisker | lol |
| 20:17.04 | Fisker | it's already in fontain |
| 20:17.07 | Fisker | but the lua doesn't reg them |
| 20:18.21 | amro | Shirik: ryo = riyo (and sho = shiyo, etc) |
| 20:18.29 | Shirik | not really |
| 20:18.32 | Shirik | it is |
| 20:18.34 | Shirik | but |
| 20:18.48 | nevcairiel | didnt you want to shower? |
| 20:18.58 | Shirik | it's written ever so slightly differently, and pronounced with just slightly less stress, no? |
| 20:19.04 | Fisker | ok haste |
| 20:19.08 | Fisker | reveal your damn secrets |
| 20:19.09 | Fisker | send that font now |
| 20:19.10 | Shirik | ãããï½ï½ããã |
| 20:19.11 | Fisker | or die |
| 20:19.34 | nevcairiel | the second char on the second just looks smaller, but the same |
| 20:19.39 | Shirik | exactly |
| 20:19.40 | nevcairiel | how the hell can you reliably read those |
| 20:19.45 | nevcairiel | i would go crazy |
| 20:20.14 | amro | Shirik: ãã itself is a hiragana |
| 20:20.14 | Shirik | oh crap I see what I misread though |
| 20:20.23 | Shirik | Meirio is Me i ri o, not ryo |
| 20:20.34 | amro | ãã is two hiragana |
| 20:20.40 | Shirik | exactly! |
| 20:20.45 | Shirik | and thus, riyo vs ryo |
| 20:21.08 | amro | speaking of japanese |
| 20:21.09 | amro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM31lsU0Gpc |
| 20:21.11 | amro | that is awesome |
| 20:21.19 | Fisker | â¿ |
| 20:21.21 | Fisker | â¿â¿â¿â¿â¿â¿â¿â¿â¿â¿ |
| 20:21.40 | Bruners | Fisker: google it like i did |
| 20:21.55 | Bruners | Fisker: or i actually 4chan'ed it :P |
| 20:22.07 | Fisker | anyways |
| 20:22.11 | Fisker | the arrow is fucked up as well |
| 20:22.31 | Fisker | also it doesn't look like wow supports ".ttc" |
| 20:22.32 | Fisker | whatever it is |
| 20:22.38 | haste | Fisker: ttc == ttf |
| 20:22.41 | Shirik | win amro |
| 20:22.53 | Bruners | Fisker: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=f7d758d2-46ff-4c55-92f2-69ae834ac928&DisplayLang=en |
| 20:22.55 | Shirik | Hey Fisker |
| 20:23.24 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:23.26 | Fisker | i want to love you |
| 20:23.29 | Shirik | ãã£ã¹ã«ã« |
| 20:23.48 | Shirik | nevcairiel: omg more small characters! |
| 20:23.51 | Shirik | and yes I go to shower for real now |
| 20:23.57 | Shirik | ãã£ã¹ã«ã«ãã£ã¹ã«ã«ãã£ã¹ã«ã«ãã£ã¹ã«ã«ãã£ã¹ã«ã«ãã£ã¹ã«ã«ãã£ã¹ã«ã«ãã£ã¹ã«ã«ãã£ã¹ã«ã«ãã£ã¹ã«ã«ãã£ã¹ã«ã« |
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| 20:24.43 | haste | Shirik: I would say fisuka- instead |
| 20:24.50 | Shirik | I debated on that |
| 20:25.15 | *** join/#wowuidev mrribs (n=knoppix@173-16-128-187.client.mchsi.com) |
| 20:25.58 | haste | ffffffuuuuuuu |
| 20:26.05 | haste | I took reload library instead of refresh |
| 20:26.18 | nevcairiel | big library is big? |
| 20:26.28 | mrribs | what tools do you use to creat an Ui for wow? |
| 20:26.36 | haste | around 16k songs |
| 20:26.37 | nevcairiel | text editor! |
| 20:26.58 | mrribs | hm is there a specific API? |
| 20:27.05 | haste | thing the average tags per file is about 18 |
| 20:27.09 | haste | mrribs: wowwiki widget api google |
| 20:27.29 | haste | at least quod libet is decently fast at relaoding it |
| 20:27.37 | Fisker | for windows xp mr. Bruners ? |
| 20:27.39 | Fisker | lols |
| 20:28.03 | haste | Bruners: meiryo isn't the same as meiryokegothic tho' :P |
| 20:28.18 | haste | but as I said; http://www.mediafire.com/?4glt0sqtww2 -- hi2u google |
| 20:29.15 | Fisker | reported to freenode for copyright infringement |
| 20:29.32 | Fisker | oh how i went there |
| 20:29.55 | haste | executes replaygain.lua. |
| 20:30.19 | mrribs | hm you have a good totem stomping macro or lua script? |
| 20:30.35 | nevcairiel | didnt they pretty much disable totem stomping? |
| 20:30.40 | mrribs | idk |
| 20:31.26 | Bruners | what is totem stomping ? |
| 20:31.35 | haste | amro: ooh, 8bit idm, niz |
| 20:31.44 | haste | Bruners: you can push out four totems at once now |
| 20:31.50 | mrribs | well just targetting the totems and attacking them with your pet |
| 20:31.54 | haste | before you couldn't, and then you used totem stomping macros |
| 20:32.00 | mrribs | seems you cant do that in wow |
| 20:32.05 | nevcairiel | totem stomping is destroying of totems |
| 20:32.07 | nevcairiel | not placing them |
| 20:32.23 | nevcairiel | but you cant /target them by name anymore |
| 20:32.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Ginji (n=Ginji@cc1040670-a.gorre1.fr.home.nl) |
| 20:32.37 | haste | wat |
| 20:32.40 | haste | oh well |
| 20:32.55 | Bruners | fail haste is fail |
| 20:33.26 | haste | not at all! |
| 20:34.07 | mrribs | when you use tab to target it will select the totem so is there a way to do that in lua to target and attack in the same button press |
| 20:34.32 | Yssaril | mrribs not doable |
| 20:34.53 | mrribs | i find it annoying when trying to target and theres a bunch of totems |
| 20:34.56 | Yssaril | addons cannot interact with anything 3d |
| 20:35.42 | Thunder_Child | not quite true |
| 20:35.46 | Thunder_Child | nameplate addons |
| 20:35.48 | mrribs | hm they have basically left the totem as an annoyance |
| 20:36.09 | Fisker | it's japanese haste |
| 20:36.12 | Fisker | madman |
| 20:36.12 | Yssaril | Thunder_Child: they don't interact with the 3d world either but modify the blizzard ones :P |
| 20:36.37 | Thunder_Child | which are part of the 3d world |
| 20:37.10 | nevcairiel | you can only change the existing ones, you dont know where they are, or anything |
| 20:37.18 | nevcairiel | you don't really interact with 3d |
| 20:37.23 | haste | and we access them through a horrible hack |
| 20:37.27 | Fisker | english instructions plx :( |
| 20:37.40 | haste | it's a font |
| 20:37.42 | Bruners | Fisker: copy the font you want into wow/fonts/ |
| 20:37.45 | haste | what kind of instructions do you need :P ? |
| 20:38.37 | Fisker | they're exe files? |
| 20:38.59 | Fisker | Bruners link to that other version of the addon |
| 20:39.00 | Shirik | executes Fisker |
| 20:40.12 | haste | rofl, TANO*C has a video of like 1 - 10 uploaded on youtube |
| 20:40.16 | haste | but not 6, which I was on :( |
| 20:40.35 | mrribs | i guess making a button specifically for /petattack and using tab to target would be almost convenient |
| 20:40.59 | Fisker | haaaaaaaaaaaste |
| 20:41.03 | mrribs | do you think people may complain enough that totems become completely indestructable? |
| 20:41.04 | haste | fffuuu |
| 20:41.07 | haste | same on nicovideo |
| 20:41.41 | haste | 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, but no 6 :( |
| 20:41.52 | Fisker | ... |
| 20:42.00 | Fisker | Tank: "All my addons are in the middle of the screen" |
| 20:42.06 | Fisker | Some raidmember: "Relog then" |
| 20:42.10 | Bruners | Fisker: run the exe, install fonts, win ? :P |
| 20:42.14 | Fisker | Tank: "No don't want to waste too much time on it" |
| 20:42.16 | Fisker | hurr hurrr |
| 20:42.51 | Fisker | oh really? |
| 20:42.54 | Shirik | re-executes Fisker |
| 20:42.55 | Fisker | you run .exe files? |
| 20:43.15 | Bruners | some times |
| 20:43.23 | Bruners | i run ran CLUE.exe |
| 20:43.31 | haste | I usually try cabextract if I want stuff from the files |
| 20:43.45 | Shirik | I like to run virus.exe |
| 20:43.58 | Bruners | i uploaded an exe with virus on curse once |
| 20:44.16 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:44.29 | mrribs | you uploaded a virus how did that work out |
| 20:44.35 | Bruners | worked out nicely |
| 20:44.45 | mrribs | do they still allow you to submit programs? |
| 20:45.04 | Bruners | it was for testing the anti virus thingie ckk added |
| 20:45.05 | Bruners | :P |
| 20:45.17 | Bruners | but it failed so the shit got published |
| 20:45.58 | Shirik | Why the hell would you upload a virus to do that |
| 20:46.23 | krka | nice, i just wrote a sampling cpu profiler for kahlua, it was surprisingly straight forward |
| 20:46.26 | Shirik | You never test a virus scanner with a virus |
| 20:47.00 | *** part/#wowuidev picaroe (n=picaroe@0x535d4ef3.bynxx17.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 20:47.04 | Fisker | hey fuck that Bruners |
| 20:47.09 | Fisker | it's just tekkub's addon |
| 20:47.18 | Fisker | steino's were <3 |
| 20:47.36 | Bruners | all hail steino |
| 20:47.43 | Fisker | btw kd3 automaton still sucks |
| 20:47.54 | Fisker | it'll try to repair with guild funds, and when it fails it won't repair normally |
| 20:47.55 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0xxiljtxK8#t=3m04s played caramelldansen at 6th strike >:3 |
| 20:47.55 | Fisker | tsk :( |
| 20:48.04 | Bruners | Shirik: it a test file made for the purpose of testing anti virus software |
| 20:48.16 | Shirik | then it wasn't a virus |
| 20:48.18 | Bruners | Shirik: downloaded from norman or something |
| 20:48.23 | Shirik | EICAR? |
| 20:48.50 | Bruners | Shirik: enough virus to trigger everyones anti virus if they had downloaded my addon :P |
| 20:49.27 | Shirik | The only appropriate way to test an antivirus system is to use eicar |
| 20:49.31 | Shirik | please use it next time |
| 20:50.43 | Shirik | X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H* |
| 20:50.51 | Shirik | Every valid virus scanner would detect that as a virus |
| 20:51.04 | Shirik | and it is inherently safe |
| 20:51.12 | haste | suddenly! |
| 20:51.15 | haste | all IRC logs got corrupted |
| 20:51.19 | Bruners | i dont think it was the actual anti virus that failed |
| 20:51.22 | Shirik | rofl haste |
| 20:51.27 | Bruners | but the removal process |
| 20:51.31 | mrribs | i know you may have written a program that scanned as a virus before |
| 20:51.59 | Bruners | haste: ext4 ? |
| 20:52.00 | nevcairiel | Shirik: posting those isnt fun, seriously, logging clients usually got their logs quarantined now :P |
| 20:52.03 | Shirik | in any case, you don't go around passing even portions of viral code. There is a reason eicar exists |
| 20:52.10 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I didn't consider that :) |
| 20:52.15 | haste | Bruners: it's really a "windows" funnay |
| 20:52.16 | mrribs | or if you use some certain packer it scans as a virus |
| 20:52.18 | Shirik | it's easy to ignore |
| 20:52.25 | Shirik | or strip |
| 20:52.31 | haste | Bruners: virus scanner finding the string and reprtoing #wowuidev as a virus |
| 20:52.45 | krka | heh, that's cute |
| 20:52.50 | Bruners | really ? |
| 20:52.51 | krka | you could write it in the wow chat too i suppose |
| 20:52.55 | Fisker | hurr haste |
| 20:52.57 | Fisker | good old days |
| 20:53.03 | Fisker | when people would say mirc had a virus |
| 20:53.09 | Shirik | mirc is a virus |
| 20:53.13 | Fisker | but it was just some jerk triggering av heuristics in their logs |
| 20:53.22 | mrribs | i dont think chat channels even scan any text strings |
| 20:53.23 | Shirik | khaled is worse than linus |
| 20:53.28 | Fisker | that's not what your mom said when we chatted yesterday |
| 20:54.44 | haste | Shirik: worse how :D ? |
| 20:54.54 | Shirik | in every way imaginable |
| 20:55.19 | Shirik | "omfg register your shitzzzzzz lol let me make you click OK 5 milliin times with a 5 hour gap in between so you can log in!" |
| 20:55.30 | Shirik | "oh don't forget I will open webpage for you!!" |
| 20:55.46 | haste | I honestly have no impression I have of the mIRC author is.. |
| 20:55.57 | haste | hurr durr I used 12 versions to make unicode usable |
| 20:55.59 | Shirik | .... what? |
| 20:56.09 | haste | honestly -> only |
| 20:56.12 | haste | durr |
| 20:56.16 | haste | not tired ! |
| 20:56.28 | Shirik | I only have no impression I have of the mIRC author is |
| 20:56.29 | Shirik | what? |
| 20:56.44 | haste | no that was wrong also, just need to figure out where my mind was |
| 20:56.56 | Bruners | in your hat maby |
| 20:57.00 | Shirik | i think it ate Bruners's virus |
| 20:57.03 | Fisker | give me something better then haste |
| 20:57.05 | Fisker | GIEV IT |
| 20:57.05 | haste | :D |
| 20:57.10 | Shirik | gives Fisker crit |
| 20:57.12 | Fisker | and no bitchx, etc. is not valid alternatives |
| 20:57.21 | Bruners | Fisker: klient |
| 20:57.27 | Fisker | no. |
| 20:57.32 | haste | Fisker: weecaht |
| 20:57.35 | Shirik | Fisker: nbs-irc |
| 20:57.36 | amro | konversation ftw |
| 20:57.38 | Shirik | it is what I use |
| 20:57.41 | Shirik | and nbs-irc is win |
| 20:57.45 | *** join/#wowuidev tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 20:57.45 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 20:57.47 | haste | weechat is what I use! |
| 20:57.58 | Shirik | nbs-irc + changing the registry so mirc thinks it was installed 2 years from now |
| 20:58.03 | Bruners | http://www.klient.com/ |
| 20:58.10 | amro | http://nihonshock.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/100y-bags-2.jpg |
| 20:58.11 | Shirik | ~time |
| 20:58.12 | purl | You cannot understand nature's perfect time cube! (2009.12.06 20:58:12 GMT) |
| 20:58.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Shadowed (n=outlaw@c-98-207-200-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 20:58.19 | Shirik | ~unixtime |
| 20:58.19 | Fisker | nbs is an allround resource friendly mIRC-addon (script) wich changes looks and behavior |
| 20:58.20 | Fisker | as well as adding lots of useful features to mIRC such as: |
| 20:58.22 | Fisker | you failed Shirik |
| 20:58.24 | Shirik | ~timestamp |
| 20:58.29 | Shirik | WTB CURRENT TIME |
| 20:58.31 | Shirik | lua> time() |
| 20:58.38 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'time' (a nil value) |
| 20:58.38 | nevcairiel | there was current time, ffs :P |
| 20:58.38 | Shirik | sighs |
| 20:58.41 | nevcairiel | just in gmt |
| 20:58.45 | Shirik | lua> os.time() |
| 20:58.46 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1260133037 |
| 20:58.48 | Shirik | THANK YOU |
| 20:58.55 | Fisker | now all it needs are some filters Bruners |
| 20:58.58 | haste | lua> os,date() |
| 20:58.59 | lua_bot | haste: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'date' (a nil value) |
| 20:59.12 | haste | wat |
| 20:59.17 | Fisker | and sorting |
| 20:59.17 | haste | .time but not .date?! |
| 20:59.24 | Shirik | haste |
| 20:59.28 | amro | lua> os.date() |
| 20:59.29 | lua_bot | amro: Sun Dec 6 20:58:00 2009 |
| 20:59.31 | Bruners | lua> os.date() |
| 20:59.31 | Shirik | you could try using the right keys |
| 20:59.32 | lua_bot | Bruners: Sun Dec 6 20:58:03 2009 |
| 20:59.35 | amro | you just have to ask nicely haste |
| 20:59.44 | haste | oh lol |
| 20:59.48 | nevcairiel | just dont have to use , |
| 20:59.48 | Bruners | ^^ |
| 20:59.51 | haste | I blame the IRC font |
| 21:00.00 | haste | , looks so similar to . |
| 21:00.09 | Bruners | which one do you use? |
| 21:00.10 | haste | but urxvt SUCKS at rendering Xft compared to xterm |
| 21:00.19 | haste | I'm honestly not sure atm |
| 21:00.25 | Shirik | woot |
| 21:00.38 | Shirik | haste: You could try using a real client |
| 21:00.45 | haste | like? |
| 21:00.46 | Shirik | and use KDE |
| 21:00.49 | haste | no |
| 21:00.50 | Shirik | Oh oh wait |
| 21:00.51 | haste | no |
| 21:00.51 | Shirik | wait |
| 21:00.52 | Shirik | sorry |
| 21:00.53 | haste | no |
| 21:00.54 | Shirik | not KDE |
| 21:00.55 | Bruners | xft:Monospace:pixelsize=11:antialias=true:hinting=true is what i use |
| 21:00.55 | haste | no |
| 21:00.59 | haste | ! |
| 21:01.01 | Shirik | K plasma desktop! |
| 21:01.07 | nevcairiel | that is freaking kde |
| 21:01.13 | Shirik | I know nevcairiel :P |
| 21:01.16 | haste | Bruners: firef up xterm, and look at how awesome it is compared to urxvt |
| 21:01.19 | Shirik | that was the joke |
| 21:01.23 | Shirik | they're making such a big deal out of it |
| 21:01.41 | amro | what they say about it shouldn't matter |
| 21:01.47 | amro | just use software the way you want to |
| 21:01.49 | Bruners | haste: my font looks just as awesome in both urxvt, terminal and xterm |
| 21:01.53 | haste | wat |
| 21:02.27 | haste | I actually use 6x13 as font atm |
| 21:03.36 | Lopeppeppy | 2 minutes left in the game, and my stream decides to crap out. Hate! |
| 21:05.58 | haste | Bruners: http://beverpung.net/images/nix/2009-12-06-220136_1680x1050_scrot.png ! |
| 21:08.17 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 21:08.17 | mikma | haste: ,.,.,.,.,.,. ... wtf, do they look like the same to you? |
| 21:08.23 | Shirik | football!! |
| 21:08.24 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 21:09.21 | haste | mikma: what? |
| 21:09.56 | Bruners | haste: http://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/2009-12-06-220816_3120x1050_scrot.png |
| 21:10.04 | Shirik | .,.,.,,.,,.,....,.,,,,,.,...,.,,,.,..,.,,.,.s haste |
| 21:10.26 | haste | lol |
| 21:10.40 | haste | Bruners: I'm guessing gentoo has some power patches for urxvt then :P |
| 21:12.07 | Shirik | I wonder how much space a 50 million choice switch statement would take |
| 21:12.14 | Bruners | rxvt-unicode-9.05_no-MOTIF-WM-INFO.patch rxvt-unicode-9.06-glibc-2.10.patch rxvt-unicode-9.06-no-urgency-if-focused.diff rxvt-unicode-9.06-popups-hangs.patch rxvt-unicode_no-urgency-if-focused.diff |
| 21:12.23 | zenzelezz | Shirik: depends on your coding style |
| 21:12.29 | Shirik | I mean on the chip |
| 21:12.37 | Bruners | are the ones apart from the source afaik |
| 21:15.29 | haste | oh well |
| 21:15.34 | haste | cba to look more into it |
| 21:22.05 | Torhal | Cairenn, Shirik: ping |
| 21:22.10 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:22.11 | Cairenn | Torhal: pong |
| 21:22.14 | Shirik | NO ME |
| 21:22.19 | Cairenn | okay, you |
| 21:22.21 | Shirik | :D |
| 21:22.47 | Torhal | I just found GearScore in the CurseForge queue, even though it's already on Curse...the author's name is mimikat45, the original author is mirrikat45 |
| 21:23.00 | Torhal | I also found the same fake author has uploaded a 3.3 version to WoWI |
| 21:23.10 | nevcairiel | creative |
| 21:23.11 | Torhal | Different IP address/email |
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| 21:24.23 | Cairenn | banned |
| 21:24.32 | Torhal | Same |
| 21:24.36 | Shirik | Cairenn is so mean :( |
| 21:25.08 | Bruners | what if he/she was alowed to upload it ? :P |
| 21:25.14 | Cairenn | ip banned as well |
| 21:25.19 | Shirik | she was supposed to let me ban :( |
| 21:25.29 | Cairenn | Bruners: the OP would have sent us a PM saying so |
| 21:25.35 | Cairenn | Shirik: thought you were deleting :p |
| 21:25.39 | Shirik | I was |
| 21:26.38 | Shirik | OMG! You want to delete this? Are you totally sure Shirik?! |
| 21:26.44 | Cairenn | yes |
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| 21:27.26 | Bruners | was it an updated version or something fuzzed ? |
| 21:27.48 | nevcairiel | Bruners: you wouldnt create a fake name like that if you're allowed to |
| 21:28.16 | Shirik | Bruners: Too late to ask that question, lol |
| 21:28.28 | Bruners | now you sounded like fisker nevcairiel :P |
| 21:29.07 | Bruners | my toilet is blocked by wiminz! |
| 21:31.39 | Shirik | ?! |
| 21:34.27 | Lopeppeppy | Someone needs to renovate their house or dorm... |
| 21:36.14 | Shirik | me? |
| 21:37.55 | Lopeppeppy | Bruners. |
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| 21:58.41 | Fisker | you wouldn't Bruners |
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| 22:18.57 | Thunder_Child | 1 |
| 22:18.58 | Thunder_Child | 1 |
| 22:19.57 | nevcairiel | 2 |
| 22:23.24 | foxlit | 3 |
| 22:23.26 | foxlit | 5 |
| 22:23.52 | Shirik | 8 |
| 22:26.12 | Tuller | 13 |
| 22:28.55 | ckknight | 21 |
| 22:39.02 | foxlit | WoWI needs to be more aggressive about getting search engines away from its subdomains |
| 22:39.26 | Grum | in 3.3, how do you get tier-gear? is that just emblems of frost? |
| 22:39.35 | Grum | (like the 232 set is right now?) |
| 22:39.35 | foxlit | Right now google tracks all of the addon/category/download pages across multiple author.wowinterface.com addresses. |
| 22:41.20 | Fisker | count to 10 #wowuidev |
| 22:41.20 | Fisker | 1 |
| 22:41.29 | kd3 | 42 |
| 22:41.32 | foxlit | ... 10 |
| 22:41.33 | Fisker | 1 |
| 22:41.55 | foxlit | qq@90kb tga file :( |
| 22:42.03 | Fisker | 1Â |
| 22:42.29 | Fisker | 2? |
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| 22:44.20 | DWSR2 | NSFW Question |
| 22:44.30 | DWSR2 | Why does ejaculation feel better when it's ON someone? |
| 22:44.59 | Cairenn | if you haven't already, go cast your vote for game of the decade: http://www.crispygamer.com/features/2009-12-02/game-of-the-decade-round-two.aspx |
| 22:46.12 | Grum | DWSR2: you like it more on your own belly? |
| 22:46.38 | DWSR | Grum: Someone else. |
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| 22:50.03 | tem | wow dying in the tram as horde SUCKS |
| 22:50.29 | DWSR | yes. Yes it does. |
| 22:51.07 | DWSR | It sucks about as much as SVN does. |
| 22:51.55 | DWSR | Cairenn: ME, HL2, Portal, WoW, VJ. |
| 22:52.06 | DWSR | Cairenn: If one of those ends up winning, I want a recount. And not from Florida. |
| 22:53.59 | foxlit | spirit healer, problem solved? |
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| 22:58.28 | Thunder_Child | 1 |
| 22:58.35 | DWSR | Cairenn: s/winning/not winning/ |
| 22:58.53 | Cairenn | nod |
| 22:59.40 | Torhal | DWSR: Ocarina of Time! |
| 22:59.42 | Torhal | cackles,. |
| 22:59.43 | foxlit | Portal? |
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| 22:59.48 | foxlit | It was in there? |
| 22:59.50 | DWSR | yes\ |
| 22:59.59 | DWSR | Portal should definitely be in the top 5,. |
| 23:00.24 | foxlit | Cairenn linked the wrong article, though |
| 23:00.28 | DWSR | That game was far too epic for most mortal minds to comprehend. |
| 23:00.36 | Cairenn | because I had the wrong article linked to me |
| 23:00.40 | foxlit | http://www.crispygamer.com/features/2009-12-04/game-of-the-decade-sweet-16.aspx |
| 23:00.47 | Cairenn | but it's not like it's hard to follow through to the next topic :p |
| 23:01.02 | foxlit | Portal lost, DWSR. |
| 23:01.12 | DWSR | to what? |
| 23:01.15 | Cairenn | I was able to figure it out, I presumed you guys could if I could :p |
| 23:01.18 | foxlit | Bioshock |
| 23:01.18 | DWSR | Oh wait, yes, I know it lost. |
| 23:01.28 | DWSR | It should have one, though |
| 23:01.44 | DWSR | Bioshock was a great game, but it's not as good as Portal for the simple fact that Portal is more revolutionary. |
| 23:01.59 | DWSR | The game spawned a whole line of though ffs. |
| 23:02.04 | DWSR | 'Thinking with Portals' HELLO |
| 23:02.21 | foxlit | I appear to be no longer able to access that website. |
| 23:02.23 | foxlit | Ah well :) |
| 23:02.25 | DWSR | ditto |
| 23:02.31 | Cairenn | same |
| 23:02.36 | Cairenn | I imagine it's getting slammed is all |
| 23:02.36 | DWSR | Anyway, as I said, if one of the ones I listed does not win, I call a recount. |
| 23:03.40 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/box/glow.tga << qq at the size of this thing |
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| 23:04.10 | Cairenn | Iriel: go vote, if you haven't already: http://www.crispygamer.com/features/2009-12-04/game-of-the-decade-sweet-16.aspx |
| 23:04.21 | Cairenn | (the page is slow/dying because of how busy it is, though) |
| 23:05.04 | DWSR | Bioshock ought to beat GTA3. |
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| 23:05.18 | foxlit | It leads currently |
| 23:05.26 | DWSR | Peggle vs. WoW? Halo vs. GoW? |
| 23:05.30 | DWSR | Those are easy matchups. |
| 23:05.33 | DWSR | WoW, Halo. |
| 23:05.33 | Iriel | Where's portal on the list? |
| 23:05.42 | DWSR | Iriel: It lost to Bioshock in the 16. |
| 23:06.44 | DWSR | Can't believe Rock Band beat Burnout though |
| 23:06.47 | Beladona | what criteria are they basing the game-of-the-decade? how revolutionary the game concept was, or how popular the game was? |
| 23:06.58 | Iriel | DWSR: I can |
| 23:06.58 | DWSR | Beladona: This is the community version, so it's based on votes. |
| 23:07.08 | foxlit | more importantly, who are those crispygamer people? |
| 23:07.09 | DWSR | Beladona: They had an "official" CG one. |
| 23:07.09 | Iriel | DWSR: Burnout was 'cute' but has nothing like the staying power of RB |
| 23:07.18 | Beladona | Some of those games brought in ideas that have been used numerous times since, but the games themselves weren't the most popular |
| 23:07.28 | foxlit | I somehow expect that everyone and their grandmothers will be running this poll in anticipation of 2010. |
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| 23:19.22 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not finding the pages where you actually *vote*, am I being blind? |
| 23:19.52 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, nevermind, that's because the Chocobo division is closed. |
| 23:27.27 | foxlit | lua> type(("\0"):match(".")); |
| 23:27.29 | lua_bot | foxlit: string |
| 23:29.38 | DWSR | Iriel: RB has no staying power either, IMO. |
| 23:29.45 | DWSR | It's just a fad. One started by Guitar Hero. |
| 23:30.43 | Iriel | It has the staying power of fresh content |
| 23:34.35 | WobWork | DWSR: ... one of my buddies on another IRC channel is called RB |
| 23:34.45 | WobWork | and I was wondering how you knew about his 'staying power' >< |
| 23:35.11 | DWSR | lol |
