| 00:00.22 | batrick | wow linux sucks at this >< |
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| 00:07.45 | tem | http://i.imgur.com/yIdtc.png |
| 00:07.45 | cog|work | when 3 employees and the boss are all hanging around on facebook, don't you think it's time to go home? |
| 00:07.45 | tem | is equivalent to: c = b xor a |
| 00:07.45 | batrick | not if you're getting paid overtime |
| 00:07.46 | cog|work | salary |
| 00:07.56 | Shirik | tem |
| 00:08.12 | Shirik | that's not a standard notation for a mux |
| 00:08.17 | tem | I don't care |
| 00:08.18 | Shirik | what is the selection line? |
| 00:08.26 | Shirik | what is the input line? |
| 00:08.28 | Shirik | what is the output line? |
| 00:08.35 | tem | c is the output line |
| 00:08.43 | tem | b is selection, I suppose |
| 00:08.50 | tem | and the other two are the inputs |
| 00:09.16 | tem | the lines you're selecting between are (a) and (not a) |
| 00:10.07 | tem | I'm no EE so this is the first I've had to deal with these things |
| 00:10.12 | tem | and I sincerely hope it's the last |
| 00:10.27 | ScytheBlade1 | EE sucks |
| 00:10.32 | ScytheBlade1 | stares blankly at Shirik |
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| 00:11.21 | Legorol | cog|work: i got through reading Part 1 and 2, but not going to bother with the rest. If you kept posting.. kudos, and you are also a bit mad :) |
| 00:11.36 | Adys | wah? |
| 00:11.50 | cog|work | Legorol: well yeah, that was a given :P |
| 00:11.53 | Legorol | cog|work: besides, you promised a good argument, and this is anything but. |
| 00:11.57 | Shirik | (thm (implies (and (booleanp a) (booleanp b)) (equal (xor a b) (if b (not a) a)))) |
| 00:12.04 | Legorol | This is called banging your head against a brick wall, with a hammer helping |
| 00:12.04 | cog|work | Legorol: lol >< |
| 00:12.12 | Shirik | But simplification reduces this to T, using the :compound-recognizer |
| 00:12.12 | Shirik | rule BOOLEANP-COMPOUND-RECOGNIZER and primitive type reasoning. |
| 00:12.12 | Shirik | Q.E.D. |
| 00:12.16 | Adys | cog|work: doing what? |
| 00:12.18 | Shirik | so yes, tem |
| 00:12.29 | cog|work | Legorol: part 4 is the best imo |
| 00:12.38 | cog|work | Adys: http://blog.cogwheel.info/2009/12/kook-aid-battle-part-1.html |
| 00:12.46 | Legorol | cog|work: ack, you just had to say that. |
| 00:12.52 | Legorol | Now i'll have to read 3 and 4 as well |
| 00:13.00 | tem | Shirik, I haven't slept |
| 00:13.03 | tem | so |
| 00:13.06 | cog|work | grins evilly |
| 00:13.07 | tem | am I still sane |
| 00:13.19 | tem | I would very much like to sleep soon |
| 00:13.23 | tem | and I'm nearly done with this |
| 00:13.52 | Shirik | ACL2 !>(thm tem-sane) |
| 00:13.52 | Shirik | This simplifies, using trivial observations, to |
| 00:13.52 | Shirik | NIL. |
| 00:14.00 | Shirik | but yes, you are correct |
| 00:14.33 | tem | thanks |
| 00:14.54 | tem | am I weird for hating needing all these lables to jump to for conditional statements? |
| 00:15.12 | Shirik | you are wierd for not using a real mux |
| 00:15.14 | Shirik | symbol |
| 00:15.19 | tem | I didn't make the diagram |
| 00:15.20 | Shirik | is that simulink? |
| 00:15.28 | tem | I have _no_idea_ |
| 00:15.50 | Shirik | how do you not know what you're drawing this in? |
| 00:15.52 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:15.54 | Shirik | nm |
| 00:16.12 | tem | I'm converting a drawing into assembl |
| 00:16.13 | tem | y |
| 00:16.14 | Shirik | then yell at your professor |
| 00:16.18 | tem | meh |
| 00:18.48 | Adys | cog|work: re gw, i kind of wish more americans had a chance to see america from the other countries' POV |
| 00:18.54 | Adys | ANY other country |
| 00:19.08 | Adys | well |
| 00:19.11 | Dagmar | It would also be cool if non-Americans would quit trying to lump everyone from there in togetgher |
| 00:19.13 | cog|work | I wish I could see america from another country :'( |
| 00:19.16 | Adys | except france since sarkozy is an asslicker |
| 00:19.48 | cog|work | Dagmar: yeah, it would be better to go after states |
| 00:19.58 | tem | still the same problem, cog|work |
| 00:19.58 | Adys | Dagmar: do like me and gtfo of your country if you don't like being put in the giant pot of waste others will put you in |
| 00:20.09 | Adys | I ran the fuck out of france for a reason |
| 00:20.14 | tem | lumping people togeather by state is no better than lumping them by country |
| 00:20.31 | Dagmar | Adys: WHy should I move |
| 00:20.32 | cog|work | tem: i should've put a ":P" at the end |
| 00:20.33 | Adys | see this is exactly why you're all being lumped together |
| 00:20.49 | Dagmar | It's not like there'll be FEWER idiots elsewhere |
| 00:21.10 | Dagmar | Better the fools who know enough to fear me than a new batch of ones not bright enough to catch on in time. |
| 00:21.27 | Adys | you'll learn that the current systems allow the country to be ran by only a very small portion of the population |
| 00:21.29 | cog|work | Dagmar: i think the point is that the idiots in america actually have enough of a voice to swing votes |
| 00:21.41 | Dagmar | YEah right... |
| 00:21.53 | Dagmar | ...and IP packets are delivered by very small fairies. |
| 00:22.10 | Dagmar | Whoever pays Diebold is who "swings" votes here. |
| 00:22.31 | Fisker | you know |
| 00:22.41 | Adys | most of the time, elected politicians are shit because politics has transformed into a business the past 30 years |
| 00:22.44 | Fisker | IRC is like 2 boats meeting in international waters to exchange drugs |
| 00:22.52 | Adys | s/as/have/ |
| 00:22.53 | Fisker | luckily i speak 1337 |
| 00:23.45 | Fisker | cog|work do you speak 1337? |
| 00:23.59 | cog|work | |\|[] |
| 00:24.12 | Adys | just a friendly small reminder from europe |
| 00:24.14 | Fisker | i see |
| 00:24.18 | Grum | Fisker: that is an old episode :( |
| 00:24.25 | Adys | every sane person here is grateful you guys elected obama |
| 00:25.07 | Dagmar | Honeslty I think it came down to that the people faking hte votes realized that if they *didn't* back off on the tampering, it would be a matter of days before most major US cities would be in flames. |
| 00:25.13 | Dagmar | People were that keyed up |
| 00:25.18 | Adys | and fuck knows when we see america actually moving up to get smaller amount of resources burned/wasted/whatever it's seen as a good thing from everyone's POV |
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| 00:25.46 | Adys | but many americans themselves think "but but but i dont want to have to care" |
| 00:26.31 | Tuller | if caring is sharing, does that make sharing caring, and isn't sharing communism, therefore, isn't caring communism? |
| 00:27.24 | cog|work | lol... i posted that porn study on my FB profile and one of my bosses replied "What's porn?" |
| 00:27.26 | Dagmar | Adys: It'll happen when it becomes "shareholder interest" |
| 00:27.32 | Dagmar | In this, America has *no* monopoly.l |
| 00:27.39 | cog|work | s/study/study article/ |
| 00:28.27 | Adys | Dagmar: It won't become shareholder interest |
| 00:28.44 | Adys | either it will happen, and fast, or it wont |
| 00:29.02 | Adys | retards and gullies tend to burn first |
| 00:31.32 | Adys | also cog|away you're one day gonna have to learn to stop saying "I'm leaving" :P |
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| 00:34.27 | Adys | Matthew - I wish people on both sides of this Liberal vs. Conservative, (Burger King vs. McDonalds, Ford vs. Chevy, Coke vs. Pepsi) brainwashing would understand that they are being soldiers of strategic marketing put in place to control us and keep career politicians in business as well as those that lobby them. The problem as you are witnessing here is that too many people live in that bubble. |
| 00:34.54 | Adys | maybe I should keep my mouth shut and explain myself exclusively in copypastes |
| 00:35.09 | Adys | it would be a good exercise to find sanity on the web |
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| 00:36.02 | Adys | its like an oasis in the middle of a desert with a nasty stench of rotted smell |
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| 00:49.54 | Adys | Matthew, dude...why are you here? HONESTLY. Why? You ridicule my view on ghosts (although they ARE real...I have several sharing my house with us) |
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| 00:50.41 | Legorol | cog|away: that video about the great climate change swindle... is mindnumbing |
| 00:50.42 | Adys | You know I always like to think that some random guy will sometimes have had bad luck in his education |
| 00:50.54 | Legorol | I'm so astounded that it can fail in elementary logic so badly |
| 00:50.57 | Adys | become a dick, or just a complete idiot |
| 00:51.15 | Adys | but i really think this is just random. bad luck |
| 00:51.18 | Adys | and every time |
| 00:51.27 | Legorol | "Climate change was never caused by CO2" <- so what? it doesn't prove the opposite implication, namely that CO2 doesn't cause climate change |
| 00:51.29 | Legorol | It's just... ugh |
| 00:51.39 | Adys | the tards prove me wrong by saying one unrelated asshole thing after another |
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| 00:53.47 | Adys | "as an atheist dont you also believe that the world ends in 1103 days" |
| 00:53.51 | Adys | hahah exactly what I meant. |
| 01:01.10 | zenzelezz | yes, it's common knowledge atheists think the world will end in... 2012? |
| 01:01.28 | batrick | I really hate it when people use terrible acronym/contractions like "Abarr" for Arcane Barrage in guides |
| 01:02.04 | Shirik | HTML is such a horrible language |
| 01:02.06 | Shirik | who made it |
| 01:02.15 | ScytheBlade1 | You |
| 01:02.37 | Shirik | negative |
| 01:02.43 | batrick | i'm with you on that shirik |
| 01:02.45 | ScytheBlade1 | stabintes Shirik |
| 01:03.01 | batrick | not only that but the documentation is spectacularly shitty |
| 01:03.54 | Legorol | cog|away: you are right, Part 4 is the best. I should've started there. |
| 01:08.50 | Adys | cog|away: mind if I share that link? |
| 01:10.03 | batrick | man icearmor glyph is really bad |
| 01:11.18 | batrick | like i seriously looked to see what its effect on Damage Reduction is, a whopping 2% |
| 01:14.59 | batrick | hmmm living bomb glyph or frostfire bolt glyph for pvp in 3.3 |
| 01:16.02 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/science-scams/episode-4/ |
| 01:16.10 | Adys | 7 episodes btw if you guys havent seen those |
| 01:19.20 | cog|away | Adys: mind? i've been posting it all over the place :P |
| 01:19.41 | Adys | just checking :p |
| 01:19.42 | cog|away | and re: leaving, i no, rite? |
| 01:20.24 | Adys | :P |
| 01:25.50 | cog|away | http://www.yaledailynews.com/media/2009/12/04/preacher-2/ <-- is that sign a warning or an advertisement? |
| 01:26.05 | Adys | its a cloud |
| 01:26.33 | zenzelezz | 02:30 on a Friday night, and trade chat is at it's usual level... two people fighting for 10 minutes over who sells the cheapest mageweave cloth |
| 01:27.32 | batrick | isn't there a spell crit cap? |
| 01:27.35 | Adys | back to watching a total douche getting owned live in 1980. |
| 01:27.37 | batrick | like 50% or something? |
| 01:27.42 | Adys | batrick: yes, 100% |
| 01:27.50 | batrick | ... ok thanks |
| 01:28.12 | Adys | np. |
| 01:28.19 | zenzelezz | I have 150% crit chance, mobs take damage just looking at me |
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| 01:29.58 | cog|away | i actually saw this when it was first aired. it was the first and only time i ever watched this show >< http://cheezburger.com/View.aspx?aid=834305 |
| 01:31.04 | ScytheBlade1 | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/79/237661124_cf3af47ff1_o.jpg |
| 01:31.24 | ScytheBlade1 | also http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/6233/74529f731945ad85591b82de5f6b82.jpg |
| 01:34.31 | Adys | Desproges wins |
| 01:35.20 | Adys | "I have a question for Jean-Marie. I'd like to know what he thinks about a recent survey which shows that 100% of white, and 100% of black south-african inhabitants are against cancer." |
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| 01:40.15 | zenzelezz | "Most expensive auction sold: 666g 20s"... wonder what I sold |
| 01:40.30 | batrick | mark of the devil? |
| 01:42.25 | cog|away | i had a receipt of 66.66 the other day |
| 01:44.12 | zenzelezz | that reminds me of this post: http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/11/24/9927970.aspx |
| 01:46.46 | zenzelezz | some guy that used to hang on another IRC channel I frequent was rather christian... he had a real issue with City of Heroes because he kept doing 666 damage. Friends told me the developers made a patch that changed the displayed value to 665.8, but I don't know if it's true; he may just have quit |
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| 01:53.40 | Adys | Une société parfaite, amis libéraux, c'est une société dans laquelle les chiens font où l'on leur dit de faire, et ou tout le monde doit être uni contre TOUS LES AUTRES! |
| 01:53.45 | Adys | Rego is awesome too |
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| 02:09.13 | ZorbaBeta | hey, just passed 40k gold |
| 02:10.16 | zenzelezz | should've greeded |
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| 03:26.39 | ScytheBlade1 | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/12/2009/01/stormtrooper.jpg |
| 03:26.40 | ScytheBlade1 | afk sleep |
| 03:33.41 | olafski | giggle |
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| 03:49.00 | cogwheel | Adys: while i was participating in that "debate" i kept wishing we were conducting it on wave >< |
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| 03:55.09 | Cairenn | Oh goody! I'm getting my first FB-account-compromised-scam messages |
| 03:55.40 | kdtresh | i've been getting the "fb is implementing new security measures so you need to authenticate your account" spam for a while |
| 03:55.49 | kdtresh | which is nice, because i don't have a fb account |
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| 03:57.37 | Cairenn | a person that never speaks to me on FB tried the - "I'm not too good right now, I'm stranded in London, I got mugged." scam |
| 03:57.54 | Cairenn | my response: " that's a damn shame - an even bigger shame for you is that I'm not stupid enough to fall for this well known scam, but nice try" |
| 03:58.03 | Cairenn | funny, they haven't responded since |
| 04:01.16 | Adys | Google Chrome 4.0 Mac Beta is out in a few days :) |
| 04:01.46 | Amarande | yay, nothing like doing the water part of desolace without a breath bar. :D |
| 04:02.33 | kdtresh | just hold your breath at your computer, when you start to pass out, swim to the surface |
| 04:02.47 | Amarande | deepdive helm ftw :) |
| 04:03.01 | kdtresh | well that's no fun :P |
| 04:07.55 | Amarande | you also know you're overtwinked when your hunter even tears things apart in melee |
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| 04:40.08 | ccox | wow cogwheel, you're not going to get anywhere arguing rationally with those folks |
| 04:40.28 | ccox | these people do not realize that they don't have the facts, and they don't care |
| 04:40.43 | ccox | they really do form their reality from what other people tell them, and they only listen to the ones they agree with |
| 04:42.36 | cogwheel | 'tis true. It's a bit sadder for me because he used to be a local host around here. I used to call into his show all the time and we'd have great discussions. Heated or otherwise, it never turned into this kind of mindless drivel |
| 04:43.02 | Cairenn | wonders what ccox and cogwheel are talking about |
| 04:43.02 | cogwheel | But then when his wife chimed in, holy shit... |
| 04:43.07 | cogwheel | I feel sorry for the guy >< |
| 04:43.14 | cogwheel | blog.cogwheel.info |
| 04:44.13 | cogwheel | Part 4's the best, but it gets a bit better if you start at least from 3. |
| 04:44.42 | ccox | I take this as evidence that our schools are failing. |
| 04:45.01 | ccox | :-) |
| 04:46.40 | cogwheel | meh. it's the parents more than the schools imo. I mean, when it came down to it, her entire justification for "opposing global warming" (whatever that means) is because some teacher scared her little girl. |
| 04:47.10 | cogwheel | well, i guess that makes your point too :> |
| 04:47.51 | cogwheel | (i'd've been similarly pissed if my girl came home crying because her teacher alluded that she wouldn't live past her 20s) |
| 04:50.54 | NightHawkTheSane | but you wouldn't decide global warming was a hoax :P |
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| 04:57.25 | Amarande | wow, my quest log is empty again |
| 04:57.34 | Amarande | looks like I've pretty much finished Desolace -already- |
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| 05:00.24 | Cairenn | no offense intended, but I'm glad I haven't been following that particular little debate you got involved in, that whole thing just made my head hurt |
| 05:01.10 | Cairenn | (just read parts 3 & 4, didn't bother with any of the links) |
| 05:06.45 | Amarande | please do not break the happy fun Cairenn |
| 05:06.48 | Amarande | :D |
| 05:06.57 | Cairenn | naw, not broken at all :) |
| 05:07.17 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder how long before I'm going to be forced to go to the Eastern Kingdoms to continue leveling. |
| 05:07.55 | Amarande | a guildie was complaining Kalimdor doesn't level you enough |
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| 05:08.07 | Amarande | so I've been pretty much proving a point by sticking to Kalimdor (except for a SM run I got dragged into) |
| 05:08.20 | Amarande | 36. Just pretty much finished Desolace. |
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| 05:56.30 | Dashkal | I think I'm going to die happy. There's finally a (third party) linux vent client |
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| 06:11.43 | Shirik | Here's a fun question |
| 06:12.12 | Shirik | Does anyone have a good idea on a way to convert a waveform's period (such as 1ms) into its frequency (1 KHz) WITHOUT using any multiplies or divides? |
| 06:12.59 | Shirik | the implementation in question only needs to handle frequencies in the interval [2Hz, 1MHz) |
| 06:13.00 | Corrodias | in Lua? |
| 06:13.09 | Shirik | no, but I don't expect you to know the language :) |
| 06:13.13 | Shirik | just in general |
| 06:13.38 | Jerub | Shirik: you want to do a fourier transform without multiplication or division? |
| 06:13.48 | Shirik | it's not a fourier transform |
| 06:13.57 | Shirik | The "correct" solution is just 1/t |
| 06:14.04 | Shirik | but I want to do that without a divide |
| 06:14.05 | Corrodias | he merelt wants the reciprocal without multiplication |
| 06:14.05 | Jerub | oh, right, simpler than i thought. |
| 06:14.23 | Corrodias | i'm not aware it's possible unless you've got access to do x^(-1) |
| 06:14.24 | Shirik | Note that I have full control over how this "time" is stored |
| 06:14.47 | Corrodias | or maybe you can do some tricks with the storage bits... |
| 06:15.04 | Shirik | basically what I'm doing now is timing an incoming signal |
| 06:15.09 | Corrodias | but i'm not familiar enough with floating point representation to figure it out |
| 06:15.12 | Shirik | just every clock tick I add 1 if the signal is high |
| 06:15.47 | Iriel | Shirik: Long division 8-) |
| 06:16.00 | Shirik | doesn't that still require multiplication? |
| 06:16.12 | Iriel | Successive addition |
| 06:16.19 | Shirik | fair enough |
| 06:16.39 | Shirik | actually, successive addition is very difficult to write |
| 06:16.47 | Shirik | it would be easier to use a multiplier at that point >< |
| 06:16.59 | Shirik | I think I'm just going to use a divider; no big deal I shouldn't need any others |
| 06:17.09 | Shirik | I was just curious if anyone had any bright ideas |
| 06:26.04 | ccox | shirik - only using an iterative algorithm to approximate the divide, but the algorithms do involve a multiply... |
| 06:26.26 | ccox | Shirik - I guess you could use logarithms... |
| 06:26.58 | Shirik | perhaps there is a better way to compute the frequency instead of assuming you capture the number of clock ticks |
| 06:27.36 | Shirik | Like we assume 50MHz if it was only one clock tick. As each clock tick passes, the frequency drops. The second clock tick means 25MHz, etc. But those are divide operations... which I can't use |
| 06:28.00 | Shirik | s/can't/shouldn't/ |
| 06:28.00 | Amarande | Corrodias: reciprocal without multiplication has to be possible |
| 06:28.06 | Amarande | remember the old 8-bit days? |
| 06:28.29 | Shirik | please take note this is not really "reciprocal" exactly |
| 06:28.36 | Shirik | I'm not storing any floating point numbers |
| 06:28.43 | Corrodias | actually, no, Amarande |
| 06:28.45 | Shirik | 300ms is stored either as 300 or 300000 or something similar |
| 06:28.45 | Amarande | they were able to implement BASIC, including * and /, using pure machine code on CPUs that were only capable of adding, subtracting, increment, decrement, and could only multiply or divide by 2 at a time |
| 06:28.49 | Corrodias | i don't know those days! |
| 06:29.10 | Amarande | they didn't have any fancy FPU stuff on the Commodore 64 :) |
| 06:29.40 | Amarande | Back in the days where ASL was used to multiply a byte by 2, rather than by horny teenagers. :) |
| 06:29.53 | Dagmar | On the other hand, all instructions completed in a predictable number of ticks |
| 06:30.41 | Shirik | as do mine |
| 06:30.46 | Dagmar | IIRC ASL took from a register to fill in the lower end, so it wasn't quite a multiply operation |
| 06:30.49 | Shirik | there is zero variance |
| 06:31.12 | Amarande | Dagmar: That was ROL |
| 06:31.17 | Amarande | ASL always filled the LSB with 0 |
| 06:31.22 | Amarande | ROL filled it with the carry flag |
| 06:31.29 | Dagmar | Ah okay |
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| 06:50.56 | Shirik | You know, if there's any one thing I love about veriloy |
| 06:51.07 | Shirik | it's the fact that statements like these are actually sensible code: |
| 06:51.32 | Shirik | error <= 0; |
| 06:51.33 | Shirik | if (counter != 0) |
| 06:51.38 | Shirik | ticks <= counter; |
| 06:51.46 | Shirik | er |
| 06:51.51 | Shirik | copied wrong line, I fail |
| 06:52.10 | Shirik | counter <= 0; if (counter != 0) ticks <= counter; |
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| 08:03.37 | Shirik | hm, curious |
| 08:03.47 | Shirik | did you know that China has 3 times the number of engineers as the US? |
| 08:04.10 | Amarande | Goblin Engineers, if the safety of stuff made in China is any indication |
| 08:04.12 | Bruners | chinamen are smart |
| 08:04.33 | Amarande | hmm |
| 08:04.44 | Amarande | I think I may have just shorted out the brains of an entire IRC channel I'm in on another network. :| |
| 08:05.10 | Amarande | linked the "Real Life High Octane Nightmare Fuel" page at TV Tropes |
| 08:05.28 | Dagmar | They have four times the *people* in China |
| 08:08.19 | Shirik | hrm, something's wrong |
| 08:08.32 | Shirik | First time compiling after writing the entire project, basically |
| 08:09.04 | Shirik | 0 errors, no atypical warnings |
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| 08:46.27 | mikma | http://www.brickgun.com |
| 08:48.32 | Shirik | very elaborate, mikma, I'm impressed |
| 08:48.58 | mikma | shirik: http://www.geekologie.com/2009/12/man_gets_swatteamed_over_lego.php :D |
| 08:49.47 | mikma | http://nickholmes.tumblr.com/photo/1280/266920055/1/tumblr_ku1wymsYLe1qzmopn |
| 08:51.51 | Shirik | seen it mikma |
| 08:51.59 | Shirik | you're getting slow |
| 08:53.19 | mikma | sorry, i was busy yesterday and didn't link it then ;) |
| 09:08.42 | Shirik | I saw it like 2 weeks ago! |
| 09:08.45 | Shirik | failure |
| 09:09.20 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 09:09.21 | Fisker | my head |
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| 09:13.34 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 09:13.35 | Shirik | your head |
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| 09:24.29 | Bruners | Fisker: btw, im eating |
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| 09:25.53 | Shirik | eating his head? |
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| 09:28.59 | Shirik | wow, wowwiki's advertising has gotten extremely aggressive |
| 09:29.05 | Shirik | what's up with that... |
| 09:29.50 | Amarande | wikia must have turned into money grubbers or something :S |
| 09:30.06 | Grum | ABP ftw |
| 09:30.18 | Amarande | seems like everyone is becoming money grubbers these days heh |
| 09:30.28 | Shirik | and god help you if you click anywhere on the window in an effort to bring it into focus |
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| 09:32.34 | Bruners | Shirik: global link on the whole space "outside" the actual page? |
| 09:33.13 | Shirik | basically; I could understand it up where the ad is visible |
| 09:33.20 | Shirik | but I was like 3 screens down where it's just a background color |
| 09:33.25 | Shirik | but apparently still counts as the "ad" |
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| 09:41.44 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:42.33 | Shirik | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large MODE #wowuidev +b Fisker |
| 09:43.28 | Fisker | you wouldn't Shirik |
| 09:43.52 | Shirik | Shiibot would |
| 09:56.18 | mikma | http://wtfcalls.net/reddit/xmas_light_wtf.php |
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| 10:13.23 | Shirik | ROFL mikma |
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| 10:13.52 | Shirik | gotta admit that is pretty win |
| 10:14.22 | nevcairiel | haha awesome |
| 10:15.09 | Cairenn | rofl, that rocks! |
| 10:15.22 | Amarande | is still reading that tv tropes page |
| 10:15.54 | Amarande | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HighOctaneNightmareFuel/RealLife WARNING "High Octane Nightmare Fuel" is Exactly What It Says On The Tin ... |
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| 10:21.07 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:21.16 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 10:21.41 | Fisker | you wouldn't! |
| 10:21.50 | Cairenn | I did! |
| 10:22.02 | Cairenn | so HAH! |
| 10:22.04 | Amarande | Fisker has hollow birdlike bones. Hugs crush him. |
| 10:22.07 | mikma | anti-slap to the max |
| 10:22.25 | Cairenn | now you have girl cooties! :p |
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| 10:25.41 | Fisker | well it's not like there's man cooties |
| 10:26.32 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/12/04/funny-pictures-bout-dat/ |
| 10:28.06 | Amarande | lol |
| 10:28.40 | Amarande | aright, time for me to get some sleep |
| 10:28.42 | Amarande | night folks :) |
| 10:29.02 | zenzelezz | "Australia refused to give Rebellion's new Aliens Vs. Predator game a rating, effectively banning it in the country. Rebellion says it won't be submitting an edited version for another round of classifications, however. (As Valve did with Left 4 Dead 2.) They said, 'We will not be releasing a sanitized or cut down version for territories where adults are not considered by their governments to be able to make their own entertainment c |
| 10:29.02 | zenzelezz | hoices.'" |
| 10:29.11 | zenzelezz | go Rebellion =) |
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| 10:40.02 | Fisker | btw cogwheel you here? |
| 10:40.46 | Dashkal | bash parameter expansion is strange... |
| 10:42.49 | Dashkal | (OT: bash question) Does anybody understand why the fourth argument did this? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/129803 |
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| 11:37.33 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 11:37.34 | Fisker | you here? |
| 11:37.36 | TC-Away | slaps Fisker with a regurgitated trout, cackles, then heads off to bed |
| 11:37.43 | Fisker | i love you TC-Away |
| 11:38.11 | jnwhiteh | yes, i am |
| 11:38.28 | Fisker | Doesn't the mac version of WoW have a repair tool? |
| 11:38.34 | jnwhiteh | not that i've seen |
| 11:38.39 | Fisker | owned |
| 11:38.40 | jnwhiteh | maybe tho |
| 11:38.44 | jnwhiteh | i've never seen/used it |
| 11:39.06 | Fisker | well i guess there would be a repair tool in the install folder just as with the normal wow client on windows |
| 11:41.00 | Fisker | so nothing of that sort jnwhiteh ? |
| 11:45.40 | mitchnull | dashkal: what's there to not understand? |
| 11:46.15 | Dashkal | d'e f g' turns into a single parameter: "de f g" |
| 11:46.21 | mitchnull | yes |
| 11:46.23 | jnwhiteh | not that I know of. |
| 11:46.26 | Dashkal | note the d ends up inside the quote |
| 11:46.31 | mitchnull | yes |
| 11:46.43 | Stanzilla | Fisker: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=17401 |
| 11:46.50 | mitchnull | as there's no whitespace between the quote and the d |
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| 11:47.20 | Dashkal | yes. It's a border case for a very simple argument parser I'm writing. I was curious how bash handled it, and was surprised by the result |
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| 11:47.29 | mitchnull | this'whole string will be kept 'together |
| 11:48.13 | mitchnull | dashkal: do you know of getopt(3) and friends? :) |
| 11:48.32 | Dashkal | I do, but I'm actually writing this in scala. |
| 11:48.48 | Dashkal | I was using bash as a template for behaviour to emulate. |
| 11:49.11 | mitchnull | I wouldn't say that's the best of choice :) but good luck |
| 11:49.21 | Dashkal | I quite agree that it isn't now :P |
| 11:49.47 | Dashkal | What I really want is for that to parse into ("a", "b", "c", "d", "e f g") |
| 11:50.34 | Fisker | totally weird Stanzilla |
| 11:50.39 | Fisker | doesn't make any sense |
| 11:50.59 | Fisker | especially not given their track record with macs |
| 11:51.06 | mitchnull | dashkal: well, that would be confusing (for me at least) |
| 11:51.56 | Dashkal | Heh, the target user isn't expected to be a bash guru. Intuitively, I expect only what's inside the quotation marks to end up connected. |
| 11:52.58 | mitchnull | dashkal: what' to do'\ with\ this' then' :) |
| 11:53.20 | Dashkal | sec, I'll tell you how that parses out :P |
| 11:54.36 | Dashkal | CommandInput(bad_nesting,List(what, to do, with, this, then),what' to do' with this' then') |
| 11:55.12 | Dashkal | CommandInput holds the command name, the args parsed out, and the raw args. |
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| 11:57.00 | Dashkal | There are a couple special cases I need to code in as well. Some single-character commands don't need whitespace before the args list, and quotation marks in the command name are ignored. Also, only quotation marks may be escaped, not spaces. |
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| 12:02.34 | mitchnull | what's the common spelling for Statusbar? Status Bar, Status-bar, Statusbar? |
| 12:02.58 | jadakren | very small rocks |
| 12:09.53 | olafski | I'd say status bar |
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| 12:20.30 | Wobin | http://www.philmcdarby.com/index.php/digital_art/large/the_amber_dragons_hoard/ |
| 12:20.31 | Wobin | shiny |
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| 12:37.07 | Wobin | hehe http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/funny-pictures-tiger-says-thank-you.jpg |
| 12:41.55 | zenzelezz | that reminds me, I get to see the siberian tigers at the zoo being fed tonight \o/ |
| 12:42.04 | zenzelezz | not with kids I think, but still |
| 12:44.20 | zenzelezz | so I was in town to get a suit for the christmas parties, but didn't know what size I'd need, so a girl in the store helped me find the right one. When she was mentioning size numbers, I asked her what they meant. That appeared to catch her off-guard, she got really quiet for a moment |
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| 13:03.57 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 13:04.00 | Fisker | i don't feel so well |
| 13:04.34 | Sesshu | poor Fisker |
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| 13:07.25 | Wobin | orders some milk for Fisker so he can feel better |
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| 13:07.35 | Fisker | naw |
| 13:07.40 | Fisker | i just played Shattered Horizon |
| 13:07.45 | Fisker | motion sickness :( |
| 13:07.50 | Wobin | ugh |
| 13:07.57 | Wobin | zenzelezz, did you finish your story there? |
| 13:09.11 | olafski | was wondering the same :< |
| 13:10.25 | zenzelezz | Wobin: yes. I was just amused because I assumed the people who worked in clothes stores knew that sort of thing |
| 13:11.18 | olafski | hm a game by futuremark? must be a tech demo ;) |
| 13:11.41 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
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| 13:28.36 | zenzelezz | I wonder how many members I would get if I started a Facebook group against Facebook groups |
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| 13:38.38 | olafski | probably been done |
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| 13:45.54 | Fisker | i'll just leave a few farts behind Wobin |
| 13:45.57 | Fisker | hope you don't mind |
| 13:46.04 | Wobin | stores them in Fisker's milk |
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| 13:46.16 | Wobin | is busy playing iSketch |
| 13:48.37 | olafski | fun game |
| 13:52.04 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 13:53.55 | Sesshu | why the heck do vista and windows 7 not support span mode for several monitors? -.- |
| 13:54.19 | Fisker | calm the fuck down |
| 13:54.37 | Fisker | and why wouldn't it? |
| 13:55.13 | Sesshu | huh? |
| 13:56.16 | A-KO | what do you mean doesn't support spanning? |
| 13:56.22 | A-KO | I use dual monitors...... |
| 13:56.27 | A-KO | and my desktop is spanned across them |
| 13:56.30 | A-KO | though the taskbar does not |
| 13:56.49 | Sesshu | "the taskbar does not" |
| 13:57.14 | Sesshu | yep thats dual view but i wanted a horizontal span |
| 13:57.30 | Sesshu | so 2 monitors act as 1 |
| 13:57.46 | A-KO | uhm |
| 13:57.51 | A-KO | the only thing that doesn't span is the task bar |
| 13:57.53 | A-KO | everything else does |
| 13:58.07 | A-KO | I can drag windows to span both screens, hell, I've played WoW spanning both screens |
| 13:59.07 | Sesshu | heh |
| 13:59.19 | Sesshu | wow is a good example |
| 13:59.32 | A-KO | yes but why would you do that? the black bar in the middle gets annoying, quickly |
| 14:00.05 | A-KO | you're better off if you want to play WoW on multiple screens is to juse use one large one IMO |
| 14:00.07 | Sesshu | with the span mode i'm able to size wow without any window mode to 3kx1k pixels |
| 14:00.28 | A-KO | so get one of those new ATI cards :P |
| 14:00.30 | A-KO | the 59 series |
| 14:01.08 | A-KO | http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/DESKTOP/GRAPHICS/ATI-RADEON-HD-5000/Pages/ati-radeon-hd-5000.aspx |
| 14:01.35 | Sesshu | are they able to do a "span mode" in vista or win7? |
| 14:02.02 | A-KO | yes |
| 14:02.04 | Fisker | A-KO |
| 14:02.12 | A-KO | http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/eyefinity/Pages/eyefinity.aspx |
| 14:02.25 | Fisker | back when i had multimonitor setups i would just put alot of ui shit on the second monitor |
| 14:02.44 | Fisker | ati is shit btw |
| 14:02.44 | A-KO | I play with a very minimal visible UI |
| 14:03.05 | A-KO | Fisker: not when it can do this :P |
| 14:03.05 | A-KO | http://thewere42.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/eyefinity.jpg |
| 14:03.24 | Fisker | doesn't really matter A-KO you can always use extra space |
| 14:03.32 | A-KO | that's 6 30" LCDs at 2560x1600 each :P |
| 14:03.55 | Fisker | and i would rather cut my eyes out than play like that |
| 14:04.20 | A-KO | nah, I really can't, haha...I still play mostly with the default blizzard UI + dbm + grid + recount ; the only things visible on my screen during raid time... |
| 14:05.08 | A-KO | everything else is some sort of functional addon that does something that enhances how the game functions (Auctioneer, my own coded mod for repairing/reagent buying, and a bag mod) |
| 14:05.34 | Fisker | i could easily have chat take up double the space it does now |
| 14:05.45 | A-KO | yes but is it really necessary? |
| 14:06.09 | A-KO | I can fit everything I need including have huge visual real estate in a single 1920x1080 display |
| 14:06.09 | Fisker | That's what i said |
| 14:06.09 | Fisker | you make a compromise |
| 14:06.13 | Fisker | it's not nessecary so therefor you cut down on it |
| 14:06.31 | Fisker | so can i |
| 14:06.40 | Fisker | i can fit everything down to a 400x400 box probably |
| 14:07.02 | A-KO | anything beyond that is "omg this is so cool!" type of stuff, but when you're looking at wallet size, "So cool!" becomes "yeah, uhm, no" |
| 14:07.06 | Fisker | But that still doesn't change that i can't benefit for being able to use more screen estate |
| 14:07.31 | A-KO | eh, 1280x1024 is difficult to play on :P |
| 14:10.50 | A-KO | sigh, speaking of fail |
| 14:10.55 | Fisker | pretty easy here |
| 14:11.01 | A-KO | don't ever install Windows on an ICH9 raid 5 controller :P |
| 14:11.12 | A-KO | words of wisdom |
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| 14:13.24 | mikma | oh god, The Parish on Expert. Done! |
| 14:13.33 | mikma | now i'm missing only Dark Carnival |
| 14:17.24 | jnwhiteh | So get your feature requests for Clique2 in _NOW_ |
| 14:17.42 | zenzelezz | the default chat frames are ScrollingMessageFrames, right? |
| 14:18.27 | Fisker | jnwhiteh i want backwards compatibility! |
| 14:19.01 | Fisker | hurr hurr |
| 14:19.15 | Fisker | "LFM TOTC Normal Tanking trinket reserved - need tank" |
| 14:19.16 | Fisker | lol |
| 14:19.22 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 14:19.25 | Fisker | good luck with that |
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| 15:26.26 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: feature request: can it make me 5k gold a day please |
| 15:26.40 | jnwhiteh | ofc! |
| 15:26.50 | Legorol | that's awesome |
| 15:26.59 | Legorol | what about 5.5k? |
| 15:27.05 | jnwhiteh | now that's pushing it =/ |
| 15:29.43 | Legorol | what's your favourite way of making pocket money in WoW? |
| 15:29.53 | Legorol | mine is trying to make whatever small profit I can with my Blacksmithing |
| 15:30.02 | Legorol | it's not very efficient, but I like it when sturdy armor pieces sell :) |
| 15:30.26 | Legorol | my actual income is more likely from dailies and jewelcrafting, but it makes my heart warm and fuzzy when something from BS sells |
| 15:31.23 | Legorol | Fisker: the tank trinket thing is not as silly as you think imo. If someone can't tank yet but want to gear up for it, they need to collect tank gear. |
| 15:31.56 | Stanzilla | Legorol: raiding |
| 15:32.10 | Legorol | raiding loses me money |
| 15:32.38 | Stanzilla | we get flasks for free and repair from the guild bank so I make + |
| 15:33.55 | krka | Legorol: i just quest and sell stuff i find on the ah |
| 15:34.10 | krka | then again, i am not very rich :) |
| 15:34.21 | Legorol | that's fine krka, i asked for pocket money |
| 15:34.23 | Legorol | not 100k :) |
| 15:35.28 | krka | my ah alt has about 3k now, all from stuff sent in mail by my main |
| 15:35.35 | krka | over a couple of months |
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| 15:51.45 | olafski | < Legorol> Fisker: the tank trinket thing is not as silly as you think imo. If someone can't tank yet but want to gear up for it, they need to collect tank gear. <-- sure but reserving something the guy you need in your group might want is not a good idea |
| 15:52.00 | olafski | also, tanks have a harder time gearing up but you really don't need to go that far |
| 15:53.35 | airtonix | Hi i like to grab gear for my offspec over others in the group who need it for their main spec |
| 15:53.46 | airtonix | please die |
| 15:53.59 | olafski | ^^ |
| 15:54.10 | airtonix | preferably with an obscure herbal root poison |
| 15:54.26 | olafski | yeah.. you either do totc normal until the thing drops and nobody wants it, or you try to tank it yourself.. or you do AN HC to get essence of gossamer |
| 15:56.02 | Legorol | i think you are overreacting |
| 15:56.10 | Legorol | if he says he is reserving it upfront, nothing wrong with that |
| 15:56.16 | Legorol | it's not unethical or immoral |
| 15:56.23 | Aelobin | when using something like math.atan to find an angle, will it always return the lowest result? |
| 15:56.24 | Legorol | sure might make it a little harder to find a tank, but that's his problem |
| 15:56.30 | olafski | it's neither, sure.. but it'll make it hard indeed :P |
| 15:56.34 | airtonix | would be lulz if a) gear required points in certain talents b) dungeons required attunements c)dungeon attunements are stored per spec |
| 15:56.50 | olafski | c sounds cool airtonix |
| 15:56.58 | Legorol | c) is impossible |
| 15:57.01 | Legorol | how do you define "spec" |
| 15:57.10 | olafski | had a guy looking for everything for ony25 earlier legorol, he reserved the OEB for himself while he was covered in pvp gear :D |
| 15:57.13 | airtonix | primary and secondary |
| 15:57.35 | Legorol | airtonix: that wouldn't do what you want though |
| 15:57.41 | Legorol | as you can respec those completely at any point |
| 15:57.42 | olafski | what if someone respecs? |
| 15:58.12 | airtonix | hi i suck at tanking so i'll just faceroll 90% of the content in dps secondary spec and then when i've rolled need on 98% of the gear others needed for their main spec i'll switch over the main tanking spec class i have |
| 15:58.20 | A-KO | You could do it by focusing on which tree has the primary number of talent points. Blizzard already does this by providing names for the different specs on Armory. |
| 15:58.39 | Legorol | A-KO: that's only an indication at best |
| 15:58.56 | A-KO | Legorol: it's the closest you could get to it, for sure. However, in airtonix's case, they just need better raid leaders |
| 15:58.58 | Legorol | there are many classes that can perform their job reasonably adequately (or even just fine with gear) in hybrid or even the wrong spec |
| 15:58.59 | A-KO | or stop fucking pugging |
| 15:59.12 | A-KO | Legorol: yes but even hybrid specs will show you a name of their primary spec |
| 15:59.21 | A-KO | people USUALLY spend more talent points in one tree than another |
| 15:59.22 | Legorol | no they won't, at least not in-game |
| 15:59.25 | Legorol | it will say "hybrid" |
| 15:59.30 | Legorol | A-KO: you are missing the point |
| 15:59.37 | A-KO | armory says hybrid? didn't know that.. |
| 15:59.37 | Legorol | an arms warrior can tank a heroic fine if he has gear |
| 15:59.45 | Legorol | i don't know if armory does |
| 15:59.48 | A-KO | sure, but you're not seeing it from airtonix's point of view here. |
| 15:59.58 | A-KO | I'm not saying I agree with his point of view |
| 16:00.00 | A-KO | there are much better fixes |
| 16:00.02 | A-KO | just saying :P |
| 16:00.06 | A-KO | airtonix: stop pugging |
| 16:00.07 | airtonix | people who level up in their main spec versus the shortcut lazy people |
| 16:00.08 | A-KO | problem solved |
| 16:00.16 | A-KO | seriously |
| 16:00.16 | Legorol | i don't think airtonix typed out his problem, what was the issue? |
| 16:00.34 | airtonix | its not really my issue its a state of mind most people have. |
| 16:00.41 | A-KO | then stop pugging |
| 16:00.42 | Legorol | go on, please elaborate |
| 16:00.45 | A-KO | I have 0 loot rules on pugging |
| 16:00.50 | Legorol | i might agree with you, if you describe the issue :) |
| 16:00.54 | A-KO | if you're arms and want to roll on tank gear, go for it. |
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| 16:01.09 | A-KO | if you don't want to pug and you want better loot distribution rules, you join an organized raiding team. |
| 16:01.15 | A-KO | If that's "too much" for you, then stfu and quit bitching |
| 16:01.18 | Legorol | begs |
| 16:01.22 | Legorol | what's the issue in the first place? |
| 16:01.30 | Legorol | if you already typed it out, i apologise |
| 16:01.34 | Legorol | can you repeat it for my sake? |
| 16:01.37 | airtonix | no |
| 16:01.40 | Legorol | :( |
| 16:01.50 | A-KO | Legorol: people joining and rolling on loot that wasn't the reason they were brought into it. In that, say a tank really wants a piece of gear from a boss fight--but someone who isn't tanking rolls on the item |
| 16:01.53 | A-KO | and takes it |
| 16:02.06 | A-KO | that kind of jips the tank, because the DPS guy might only use it once in a while, while the tank would use it more often |
| 16:02.08 | Legorol | ah well, that's why you agree on loot rule at the start |
| 16:02.15 | Legorol | and if someone doesn't follow it, he is branded a ninja |
| 16:02.27 | A-KO | I usually master loot and say it's free loot to applicable classes |
| 16:02.28 | Legorol | and if you lack agreement, you go by whatever standard is common and widespread on your realm |
| 16:03.12 | Legorol | for 5-mans, my realm does MS > OS, where MS is the role you joined on unless stated otherwise |
| 16:03.22 | airtonix | hi i'm the hypothetical guy with a problem. |
| 16:03.25 | Legorol | that's at least the common behaviour, so that's what's usually expected and followed in pugs |
| 16:04.17 | A-KO | I can't wait until Cataclysm though |
| 16:04.21 | A-KO | loot in there will be much better |
| 16:04.27 | airtonix | ... |
| 16:04.39 | airtonix | still no level sync = boring |
| 16:04.43 | A-KO | I hate in Wrath where spirit is a stat useful for both DPS and healers |
| 16:04.45 | Legorol | but that's arbitrary really, because there is no way to consistently tell what role a person usually plays who happens to join a 5-man |
| 16:04.51 | A-KO | yeah Legorol |
| 16:05.07 | Legorol | so it's followed because it's simple |
| 16:05.10 | A-KO | Wrath really mingled the gear and specs to the extreme, and it really sucks |
| 16:05.16 | Legorol | in a raid, you can do whatever as long as you say at the start |
| 16:05.47 | Legorol | in a low level pug raid i'd agree with A-KO that looting it to anyone of the appropriate class (and not spec) is acceptable too |
| 16:05.57 | A-KO | I really don't pug all that much raid wise :P |
| 16:05.58 | Legorol | although i wouldn't go for that one |
| 16:06.00 | A-KO | guild only, for those reasons. |
| 16:06.34 | A-KO | in other news, I need to find a local place that either sells a 4-pin power to SATA power converter, or a splitter. |
| 16:12.51 | A-KO | oh, nice |
| 16:12.58 | A-KO | my drives don't need the 3.3v power :P so I can just use adapters |
| 16:13.39 | nevcairiel | i have a whole box full of those 4 pin to sata converters |
| 16:13.48 | nevcairiel | they always coem with PSUs and the old ones dont go bad |
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| 16:19.30 | Cruciformer | wow I just got a scientology advert on wowwiki |
| 16:20.03 | DWSR | lol |
| 16:20.41 | Cruciformer | considering theose whackos are considered an illegal cult in some of the countries that wowwiki is likely trying to target (like Germany) that's not a good thing. |
| 16:23.37 | DWSR | Net neutrality. |
| 16:24.02 | DWSR | Just because it's illegal or 'bad' in one country does not make it illegal everywhere. |
| 16:26.02 | Fisker | DWSR |
| 16:26.02 | Fisker | Politicians |
| 16:26.14 | Fisker | Just because there's "net neutrality" (which there isn't) doesn't mean that politicians can't take a huge fat dump on it |
| 16:27.17 | Cruciformer | Im not saying its illegal everywhere, or that it should be, just that an informational resource site that may (or maybe may not) want users from such countries may want to avoid any religious banners at all, as they tend to rile people. |
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| 16:27.46 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe the banners are targeted in some way, Cruci, select audience and such. |
| 16:28.36 | Cruciformer | if thats the case then their target selection algorithm must have a spurious "not" in front of it becuase I couldnt be further from teh target audience of scientology if they tried :) |
| 16:29.46 | Cruciformer | anyway it aint no big thing I was just surprised. Many sites tend to avoid the more inflamatory adds like porn, gambling and religion. |
| 16:30.36 | Fisker | I don't think there's a brainscan over tcp/ip type ad yet Cruciformer |
| 16:30.36 | Lopeppeppy | Even WoW has accidentally had goldselling ads, IIRC. Crap sometimes happens. |
| 16:30.54 | Fisker | So "select audience" in this case will usually be geographically targeted ones |
| 16:31.18 | Fisker | i'm looking forward to one day they get to sneak a keylogger into it Lopeppeppy |
| 16:35.20 | Lopeppeppy | Into the WoW ads, Fisker? |
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| 16:50.23 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 16:50.51 | jnwhiteh | Name.. Clique2? Clique-TNG? CliqueAdv? |
| 16:51.22 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik. |
| 16:51.24 | Shadowed | What are you redoing Clique for? |
| 16:51.30 | Lopeppeppy | Cliquer! |
| 16:51.37 | jnwhiteh | to add the stuff that needs to be added |
| 16:51.46 | Lopeppeppy | To buff and polish |
| 16:51.51 | Shadowed | Oh? What are you adding |
| 16:51.53 | jnwhiteh | nope, adding new features |
| 16:52.05 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: i'll tell you when I've decided what I'm adding |
| 16:52.11 | Shadowed | haha |
| 16:52.21 | krka | why not simply reuse Clique? |
| 16:52.29 | jnwhiteh | because, too many people rely on it |
| 16:52.33 | jnwhiteh | I can't change it |
| 16:52.34 | krka | or are you planning to keep supporting the old one? |
| 16:52.35 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 16:52.37 | jnwhiteh | s/can't/won't./ |
| 16:53.03 | krka | i take it there's gonna be a lot of changes that aren't backwards compatible then |
| 16:53.15 | jnwhiteh | i could make it backwards compatible |
| 16:53.17 | jnwhiteh | but I'm choosing not to |
| 16:53.22 | Shadowed | huh |
| 16:53.28 | jnwhiteh | because it would be a 'sv' upgrade on first use |
| 16:53.32 | Shadowed | Interested to see what you come up with now then :p |
| 16:53.37 | jnwhiteh | and then they could not downgrade |
| 16:53.39 | krka | how about making some loader-thing that converts the old data to new data? |
| 16:53.48 | Shadowed | Don't think I've ran into anything that Clique couldn't do before |
| 16:53.48 | jnwhiteh | then they can't downgrade =) |
| 16:53.51 | jnwhiteh | and that's unacceptable to me |
| 16:53.52 | foxlit | Nobody likes backwards compatibility. |
| 16:54.02 | jnwhiteh | I love it =) |
| 16:54.05 | foxlit | Or forwards compatibility, either. |
| 16:54.05 | jnwhiteh | but this is not a place for it |
| 16:55.05 | foxlit | As someone only briefly scanning the last window's worth of lines, I really can't tell. :) |
| 16:55.06 | Shadowed | Clique 2 would make a bit more sense if you are going to change it that drastically |
| 16:55.29 | jnwhiteh | I may change my mind at the last minute, but that's what I'm going with right now. |
| 16:55.49 | Shadowed | Unless you want to call it Clique 2, the Clickyest |
| 16:55.57 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 16:56.00 | krka | CyClique <-- best name |
| 16:56.05 | Shadowed | Sounds like some STD |
| 16:56.14 | jnwhiteh | ;-) |
| 16:56.26 | airtonix | hope you're not going to change the way bindings are assigned to spells |
| 16:56.37 | jnwhiteh | airtonix: depends on what you mean by that |
| 16:56.57 | airtonix | using the desired key+mouse combo on the spell icon in my spell book is incredibly logical |
| 16:57.11 | jnwhiteh | that is remaining in-place |
| 16:57.11 | krka | "Click" <-- awesome name |
| 16:57.14 | jnwhiteh | and is getting extended a bit. |
| 16:57.22 | krka | "now with a name that makes sense" |
| 16:57.51 | jnwhiteh | "except some of us already pronounce clique the same as click, and therefore it's always made sense" |
| 16:58.02 | Lopeppeppy | "because puns are funny" |
| 16:58.08 | airtonix | english people pronounce it 'cleek' |
| 16:58.10 | krka | but clique has a different meaning than click |
| 16:58.15 | jnwhiteh | no, puns are punny |
| 16:58.21 | krka | funs are punny |
| 16:58.26 | jnwhiteh | krka: yes, but click-casters are in a clique ;-) |
| 16:58.31 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: You going to allow clicking while holding down keys besides modifiers? |
| 16:58.37 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: certainly not. |
| 16:58.41 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: now that I don't know if I'm going to do |
| 16:58.41 | foxlit | I don't know half those people! |
| 16:58.44 | jnwhiteh | I know I _can_ do it |
| 16:58.47 | jnwhiteh | but its a bit cumbersome |
| 16:58.54 | jnwhiteh | i.e. you'd have to go into options and set "F" as a modifier key |
| 16:59.07 | jnwhiteh | but I will allow you to bind spells to key presses themselves, that only work over the unit frames. |
| 16:59.14 | krka | Frique (if you like scrubs) or Fraque (if you like BSG) |
| 16:59.15 | Fisker | yeah Lopeppeppy |
| 16:59.25 | jnwhiteh | so 'f' over the player frame will cast a spell, while 'f' anywhere else will do the normal game binding. |
| 16:59.30 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Yeah, but still, it would be really nice for those people using...say....a Razer Naga? |
| 16:59.45 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: those who have razer naga's should get steelseries mmo gaming mice |
| 16:59.50 | jnwhiteh | or have razr fix their damn driver |
| 16:59.50 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 17:00.04 | jnwhiteh | and they'd be able to bind all of those buttons just fine in Clique2 |
| 17:00.13 | jnwhiteh | that's not what you asked tho |
| 17:00.20 | krka | aww so you already decided on clique2? |
| 17:00.20 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, it will happen someday, and that will be the Shitpocalypse. |
| 17:00.23 | jnwhiteh | or at least, not how i interpreted it |
| 17:00.30 | jnwhiteh | krka: no, but i'm already deep in the code and i needed a name :P |
| 17:00.37 | Fisker | indeed Lopeppeppy |
| 17:00.39 | jnwhiteh | and the name has to be Clique or a Clique derivative :P |
| 17:00.56 | krka | Klique! |
| 17:01.34 | krka | Klique! - now starts with the letter with an unambiguous pronounciation |
| 17:01.46 | Shadowed | Could still do configuration upgrade thought without wiping the old Clique SV if you used a different folder name |
| 17:02.00 | Shadowed | unless you want to listen to people complain about it all disappearing :> |
| 17:02.14 | jnwhiteh | i dont have to listen to anything =) |
| 17:02.25 | Shadowed | :P |
| 17:07.59 | Shadowed | Interested to see what you come up with either way! |
| 17:08.49 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/7126e7235b484d9a4a5bef300eef9537.png |
| 17:10.21 | Lopeppeppy | Every time I move, my cat yells at me. This is getting very old very fast. |
| 17:10.54 | Shadowed | Oh hey, it says you can click on spells to add them now! |
| 17:11.11 | airtonix | cat : [it moves. therefore somtehing that will feed me] [engage yowling] |
| 17:11.13 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: it said it before |
| 17:11.18 | Shadowed | Oh did it? |
| 17:11.20 | jnwhiteh | when you had nothing in your clique list :P |
| 17:12.03 | Lopeppeppy | airtonix, she's sleeping all squished up against me, and when I move it disturbs her precious precious slumber. Which is the other side of "feed me" |
| 17:12.04 | Shadowed | So it did, might have been a few years since I've had nothing in the list |
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| 17:15.43 | Fisker | jnwhiteh your ui looks bad |
| 17:15.46 | Fisker | and it should feel bad |
| 17:15.46 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 17:15.49 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 17:16.03 | BioMyriad | is their a way to detect a another frame's OnShow? |
| 17:16.18 | jnwhiteh | BioMyriad: frame:HookScript("OnShow") |
| 17:16.37 | BioMyriad | thank you very much! |
| 17:16.44 | Fisker | don't you see jnwhiteh ?! |
| 17:18.13 | Fisker | you don't?! |
| 17:18.14 | Fisker | :( |
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| 17:19.01 | Duman | hmm |
| 17:20.16 | jnwhiteh | would anyone cry if I removed the ability to link profiles? |
| 17:20.20 | jnwhiteh | i'm sure someone would =/ |
| 17:21.05 | DWSR | yes |
| 17:21.29 | DWSR | My guild uses them. All healers share their Clique profiles. |
| 17:21.38 | jnwhiteh | uhh |
| 17:21.42 | jnwhiteh | Clique can't do that |
| 17:21.42 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 17:22.17 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: They copy their SVs. |
| 17:22.26 | jnwhiteh | well this wouldn't stop that |
| 17:22.32 | DWSR | oh. *shrug* |
| 17:22.36 | DWSR | Would be nice to make sharing profiles easier. |
| 17:22.43 | DWSR | a la pitbull or kgpanels |
| 17:22.44 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 17:22.49 | jnwhiteh | that's what i'm working towards |
| 17:22.54 | jnwhiteh | but if i do that |
| 17:23.09 | jnwhiteh | i'd probably disable the ability for two characters on the player's account to have linked clique profiles. |
| 17:23.12 | jnwhiteh | bleh |
| 17:23.15 | jnwhiteh | i could do both I suppose. |
| 17:24.10 | DWSR | why would you have to disable that? |
| 17:25.09 | jnwhiteh | i dont |
| 17:25.13 | jnwhiteh | i'm just being a bit lazy =) |
| 17:25.25 | Shadowed | jnwhiteh: Aren't you still using DongleDB? |
| 17:25.33 | jnwhiteh | i was going to drop it |
| 17:25.34 | haste | gwah, why must all terminal emultors suck :( |
| 17:25.37 | jnwhiteh | but i'm gonna keep using it i guess |
| 17:25.38 | Shadowed | completely or goin to AceDB? |
| 17:25.40 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 17:25.55 | jnwhiteh | i dont want to set up externals :P |
| 17:26.10 | haste | git submodule go! |
| 17:26.18 | haste | or just a simple bash script :p |
| 17:26.33 | jnwhiteh | if someone has git submodule shit for acedb, then sure =) |
| 17:26.38 | jnwhiteh | i dont want to look for anything atm. |
| 17:28.43 | airtonix | hi i'm too stupid to understand what my guildmate saying when they try to explain a paricular keybinding. it would be great if I could just say : send me the binding instead... |
| 17:29.02 | airtonix | no I don;t want your entire biding set just that one |
| 17:29.07 | airtonix | binding* |
| 17:29.19 | jnwhiteh | airtonix: hrm |
| 17:29.31 | jnwhiteh | do people actually have an issue with this? |
| 17:29.40 | airtonix | stupid people like me do |
| 17:29.43 | Lopeppeppy | I've never asked anyone for their keybindings. |
| 17:29.46 | airtonix | im incredibly retarded |
| 17:29.47 | jnwhiteh | i mean |
| 17:29.53 | jnwhiteh | i can easily add an export for a single binding as well |
| 17:29.58 | jnwhiteh | just dunno whats going to be in 1.0 |
| 17:30.04 | airtonix | i mean yesterday i put salt in my coffee |
| 17:30.23 | Lopeppeppy | The keybindings that work for one person don't always work for another -- keyboard size, hand size, etc... |
| 17:30.34 | jnwhiteh | well they dont' have to import =) |
| 17:30.59 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I guess I just don't understand the urge to do it. But hey, sharing is caring, right? |
| 17:31.01 | airtonix | panel [title : custom stored (inactive) bindings] = list of bindings to drag n drop into active list |
| 17:31.27 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 17:31.27 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 17:31.29 | jnwhiteh | not gonna happen =) |
| 17:31.37 | airtonix | send this binding to another user? yes : insert name |
| 17:31.47 | jnwhiteh | just tell me what you want |
| 17:31.51 | jnwhiteh | not how you want me to write it =) |
| 17:31.52 | airtonix | free loot |
| 17:31.55 | jnwhiteh | and i've got the idea. |
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| 17:32.17 | airtonix | nvm already impliemented |
| 17:32.22 | Shadowed | jnwhiteh: Think besides the small case of people who are crazy and play two classes the exact same spec/gear wise, multi profiles probably won't help much :p |
| 17:32.29 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 17:32.29 | airtonix | apprach mailbox : use ; accept loot |
| 17:32.37 | jnwhiteh | but i dont want to take it out unless i have to i guess |
| 17:33.05 | airtonix | maybe store data in a standardised way so that another addon might then be able to take care of that instead? |
| 17:33.38 | airtonix | there was(still is ?) an addon called on click config...sound familiar? |
| 17:33.47 | airtonix | one-click-config |
| 17:33.56 | jnwhiteh | that has nothing to do with this. |
| 17:34.19 | Shadowed | A way of importing/exporting set key bindings could be nice in general and would let people move key bindings if they really wanted thought |
| 17:34.35 | jnwhiteh | these aren't key bindings =) |
| 17:34.35 | jnwhiteh | its okay guys |
| 17:34.36 | jnwhiteh | I got the idea. |
| 17:34.58 | Shadowed | errr not key bindings, Clique actions |
| 17:35.15 | Lopeppeppy | gives jnwhiteh a cookie too. |
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| 18:00.38 | NightHawkTheSane | this is a public service announcement: sweet tea vodka is fucking amazing. |
| 18:01.29 | Fisker | slaps NightHawkTheSane around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:01.34 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.56 | NightHawkTheSane | yes i would |
| 18:02.15 | Fisker | not if i killed you |
| 18:02.38 | NightHawkTheSane | that's a pretty big if |
| 18:02.50 | NightHawkTheSane | also, i'm pretty sure i'd come back |
| 18:05.11 | Fisker | not if i went back in time and killed the person who made sweet tea vodka then |
| 18:08.07 | NightHawkTheSane | :( |
| 18:10.59 | Fisker | digests a burger as a victory feast |
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| 18:14.53 | Lopeppeppy | Il neige. |
| 18:17.01 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy est francais?! |
| 18:17.10 | Lopeppeppy | Non. |
| 18:17.33 | Lopeppeppy | But I grew up 45 minutes south of Canada, eh, so I took French in high school, and listened to French radio stations. |
| 18:17.40 | Lopeppeppy | I still cuss drivers out in French sometimes... |
| 18:18.23 | NightHawkTheSane | strange, i grew up the same distance from canada, but all i got out of it was that toronto was a fairly uninteresting city. :P |
| 18:18.35 | Shirik | I took french in high school :) |
| 18:19.24 | Lopeppeppy | Most cities are uninteresting. |
| 18:19.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i took german. i annexed french kids in high school. |
| 18:22.02 | Fisker | i flunked german ;_; |
| 18:22.10 | Fisker | stupid teacher |
| 18:22.19 | Lopeppeppy | I can sing a few German songs. |
| 18:22.36 | Fisker | deustchland uber alles? |
| 18:23.02 | Lopeppeppy | Nein. |
| 18:23.05 | Lopeppeppy | Usually love songs. |
| 18:23.17 | Lopeppeppy | A few church songs. |
| 18:23.31 | Fisker | 99 luftballoons? |
| 18:23.49 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes, and some Rammstein too. |
| 18:24.15 | Fisker | rammstein do lovesongs? :o |
| 18:24.15 | Ginji | I depise both the french and german language |
| 18:24.25 | Ginji | Though I despise the french more |
| 18:25.30 | Ginji | So, what's your resting pulse? |
| 18:25.45 | Lopeppeppy | ... meep, dunno. I can tell you my average temperature though. |
| 18:26.08 | Fisker | i stopped taking german classes shortly after we got the resident nazi teacher |
| 18:26.27 | Fisker | For some odd reason the last teacher got a depression |
| 18:26.36 | Ginji | Why? Just when it got interesting you quit |
| 18:26.57 | Fisker | Couldn't financially warrant it |
| 18:27.20 | Fisker | She'd multiple times framed me for destruction of school property to cover over others |
| 18:27.43 | Ginji | That's messed up |
| 18:27.54 | Fisker | yep |
| 18:27.54 | Ginji | Aren't you innocent until proven guilty? |
| 18:28.16 | Ginji | I wouldn't have payed them a dime if it wasn't me who did it |
| 18:28.20 | Fisker | apparently not |
| 18:28.40 | Stanzilla | why did she do that? O.o |
| 18:28.51 | Fisker | i don't know |
| 18:29.16 | Fisker | It wasn't anything major though |
| 18:29.33 | Fisker | we're talking cooking classes |
| 18:29.43 | Fisker | So sometimes one would break some stuff |
| 18:29.53 | Fisker | We paid everytime we broke something |
| 18:30.00 | Ginji | That's not destruction of school property |
| 18:30.03 | Ginji | that's called accidents |
| 18:30.08 | Fisker | Anything the girls broke was either swept under the rug or defaulted as our fault |
| 18:30.16 | Fisker | true Ginji |
| 18:30.27 | nevcairiel | well doh, girls dont break kitchen stuff! |
| 18:30.28 | Fisker | She meant otherwise though |
| 18:30.41 | Ginji | All I ever got blamed for was being disruptive during classes |
| 18:30.56 | Ginji | I was too energetic! |
| 18:31.06 | Fisker | Anyways she kept being after us boys, and especially me |
| 18:31.14 | Ginji | She fancied you |
| 18:31.27 | Fisker | i once got detention for not pronouncing something perfectly |
| 18:31.33 | Ginji | See |
| 18:31.36 | Ginji | She fancied you |
| 18:31.43 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 18:31.55 | Fisker | Rumor was that she and the principal had something going |
| 18:32.00 | Ginji | It's called tough love |
| 18:32.09 | Fisker | principal committed suicide a few years after i was done |
| 18:32.11 | Ginji | That was so she could do you |
| 18:32.17 | Ginji | Blackmail baby! |
| 18:33.17 | Fisker | :P |
| 18:33.43 | Ginji | Oh wait, our class did get blamed for breaking a chair on a bus and electrifying a fence |
| 18:33.54 | Fisker | :D |
| 18:34.38 | Fisker | reminds me of my last year there |
| 18:35.02 | Fisker | The graduating class above me had dumped a container worth of water and dead fish through the halls |
| 18:35.31 | nevcairiel | my class got banned from the school after we graduated because our graduation magazine (kinda a tradition, every class that graduates publishes one) had so much bad stuff about teachers in it :P |
| 18:35.42 | Fisker | :P |
| 18:35.57 | Fisker | After the fish incident it was no longer allowed to do ~anything |
| 18:36.09 | Ginji | lol |
| 18:36.14 | Fisker | Usually you'd run around and do pranks on other classes with foam, etc. |
| 18:36.20 | Fisker | And the smaller classes would get some candy |
| 18:36.23 | nevcairiel | we do that |
| 18:36.29 | nevcairiel | foam and water guns |
| 18:36.33 | Fisker | That was banned here |
| 18:36.42 | Fisker | We were allowed to throw candy for 15 minutes |
| 18:36.45 | Fisker | That's it. |
| 18:37.08 | Fisker | anyone with as much as a water baloon would get it confiscated |
| 18:37.27 | Lopeppeppy | We couldn't even do that much, Fisker. :) |
| 18:37.43 | Shirik | slaps Fisker with a large water baloon |
| 18:38.14 | DWSR | At my school, we just had grad skip day. |
| 18:38.27 | DWSR | Everyone faffed off and didn't show up to school for a day. |
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| 18:38.44 | nevcairiel | at the time those events are, we arent in school at all anymore |
| 18:38.52 | nevcairiel | had the final exams and just waiting for the results |
| 18:39.19 | DWSR | ah |
| 18:39.25 | DWSR | Yeah, our skip day was during the year |
| 18:39.46 | Lopeppeppy | The year before me, a couple of people under 18 were arrested on Senior Skip Day... so yeah, there were no more of those. |
| 18:39.58 | DWSR | LOL |
| 18:40.02 | DWSR | Why were they arrested? |
| 18:40.30 | Fisker | That comes in the form of Direct Insight's new TRITON-TX51, which outdoes the Nokia N900 with an 800GHz Cortex-A8 processor |
| 18:40.36 | Fisker | 800GHz! |
| 18:40.37 | Lopeppeppy | Truancy, since their parents hadn't excused them from school. |
| 18:40.42 | Fisker | wroom wroom |
| 18:40.43 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/05/direct-insight-debuts-sodimm-sized-arm-based-computer-on-a-modu/ |
| 18:41.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: ... isn't that kind of the point? |
| 18:41.44 | nevcairiel | when we graduate we're all over 18 |
| 18:41.56 | Lopeppeppy | It ties into graduation rates and teen pregnancy rates and trying to make sure that a school doesn't lose state funding, NHTS... |
| 18:42.24 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, I was still 17 when I graduated, and through half of my first year of college. Colleges HATE having underage freshmen, hate it with a passion. |
| 18:43.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: well, i mean, most schools don't condone "senior skip" days, that i know of at least. its just something seniors do. and not get approval from anyone for :P |
| 18:43.36 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy: we have 3 types of schools here, depending on level of education you'll get (so your intelligence decides where you go), and the highest has 13 years of school, so start at 6, you're at least 19 when you finish :) |
| 18:43.46 | nevcairiel | and skipping years .. doesnt happen much |
| 18:43.58 | Lopeppeppy | When an entire class skips, the school loses state funding, something about % of students attending per day, etc... for our really small school, it was a big issue. |
| 18:44.07 | nevcairiel | although they changed it to 12 now |
| 18:44.32 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, I just started at 4, I got in before they changed the rules to you have to be 5 when you start school, not that you have to turn 5 sometime in the year that you start school. Big difference there. |
| 18:45.03 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 18:45.42 | nevcairiel | yeah have to be 6 here |
| 18:46.30 | Lopeppeppy | They've since added pre-school, which is age 4-5, half days, to get one started on going to school concepts. But you have to be 5 to start full-day school. |
| 18:47.16 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Didn't know that you could get arrested for Truancy. |
| 18:47.20 | DWSR | That's BS, tbh. |
| 18:47.33 | Shirik | (13:37:57) (DWSR) Everyone faffed off and didn't show up to school for a day. |
| 18:47.36 | Shirik | My school did that once |
| 18:47.45 | Shirik | most of the teachers found out and gave tests |
| 18:47.47 | Lopeppeppy | Laws are laws, and when it comes to a question of the school being closed forever... yeah, I'd arrest a few students too. |
| 18:47.49 | Shirik | on that day |
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| 18:48.25 | Lopeppeppy | Mostly for truancy your parent comes and gets you, pays some stupid fine, and it's over, not even a real record, so it's an annoyance sort of thing versus a criminal thing. |
| 18:48.47 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/129814 << Hm, I wonder what it tainted. |
| 18:48.57 | nevcairiel | they really charge you a fine? |
| 18:49.04 | nevcairiel | shrugs |
| 18:49.08 | DWSR | Shirik: Yeah, a few teachers planned to do that as well, but the headmaster just moved them all. |
| 18:49.17 | Lopeppeppy | That's what I *remember*, nevcairiel, but um, that was a lot of dino-years ago, so don't quote me. |
| 18:49.31 | nevcairiel | what if youre home sick? do they come looking |
| 18:49.36 | nevcairiel | or do you call ahead? |
| 18:49.53 | Lopeppeppy | They call your parents if you miss school and your parents don't proactively call them. |
| 18:50.05 | Shirik | um |
| 18:50.10 | Shirik | one time I skipped school |
| 18:50.13 | Shirik | and uh |
| 18:50.13 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Yeah, that works really well when you know the password to your home voicemail. |
| 18:50.16 | Shirik | I knew they were going to call |
| 18:50.19 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 18:50.24 | Shirik | but they always call the house at like 6 PM |
| 18:50.33 | Lopeppeppy | Every student knows a dodge, but the schools still do it. |
| 18:50.33 | Shirik | so I shorted the phone line at our house |
| 18:50.43 | Shirik | so they couldn't call... |
| 18:51.02 | DWSR | Shirik: Leaving the phone off the hook or just being on the phone around 6PM works out WAY better. |
| 18:51.13 | Lopeppeppy | When I wanted to not go to school, I just told my mom that, and I stayed home. I got all A's, when I wanted to screw off, she happily let me. |
| 18:51.18 | Shirik | no because our phone system says when a phone is off the hook and which phone it is |
| 18:51.31 | Shirik | and you can remotely disable it |
| 18:51.35 | DWSR | oh. Need that feature in my house, lemme tell you. :P |
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| 18:53.07 | Shirik | it's nice |
| 18:53.15 | Shirik | the phones got really confused when I shorted the line |
| 18:54.29 | foxlit | lua> ("foo\nbar"):match("%s"); |
| 18:54.30 | lua_bot | foxlit: No output |
| 18:54.45 | nevcairiel | newlines are not space characters |
| 18:55.03 | foxlit | That was my impression as well |
| 18:55.23 | Shirik | um |
| 18:55.36 | Shirik | lua> type(("foo\nbar"):match("%s")) |
| 18:55.37 | lua_bot | Shirik: string |
| 18:55.39 | Shirik | yes they are |
| 18:56.07 | Shirik | lua> ("%q"):format(("foo\nbar"):match("%s")) |
| 18:56.08 | lua_bot | Shirik: "\" |
| 18:56.11 | foxlit | Which explains the observed behavior. |
| 18:56.18 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 18:56.25 | Shirik | well anyway, yes they are :P |
| 18:57.07 | foxlit | I presume the bot is filtering LF for sanity reasons. |
| 18:57.29 | Shirik | over-aggressively, but yes |
| 18:58.13 | foxlit | Which raises a question: how do I match whitespace that is not line-breaking? |
| 18:58.22 | foxlit | [ \t] seems a bit lame |
| 18:58.23 | nevcairiel | manually? :) |
| 18:58.39 | NightHawkTheSane | [^\n]? |
| 18:58.51 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: matches everything but newlines. |
| 18:58.57 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i just realized that |
| 18:59.01 | NightHawkTheSane | is tired and hung over, sorry |
| 18:59.05 | nevcairiel | replace newlines by something silly first, match, replace back? |
| 18:59.10 | nevcairiel | even more evil :P |
| 19:01.24 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/doggystyle2.jpg |
| 19:02.21 | DWSR | foxlit: You using the m switch? |
| 19:02.39 | foxlit | DWSR: Kind of meaningless in this context. |
| 19:03.02 | DWSR | oh wait, this is lua's awful regex implementation |
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| 19:05.05 | foxlit | Hey, don't bash lua's patterns -- at least not until you find some language where balanced matches are just as convenient. :) |
| 19:10.19 | Ginji | Thai Sweet Chilli chips! |
| 19:10.24 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: its not regex.. you wanting it to be is the problem =) |
| 19:11.23 | foxlit | it's not *preg* |
| 19:11.27 | Audible | any date on 3.3 ? |
| 19:11.36 | Thunder_Child | this month |
| 19:12.05 | Lopeppeppy | They rarely promise a date ahead of time, Audible. |
| 19:12.23 | foxlit | still hasn't been on the PTR. |
| 19:12.30 | Thunder_Child | more than likely it is going to be the 8th or thr 15th |
| 19:12.40 | Thunder_Child | the* |
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| 19:12.49 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause too close to Xmas makes unhappy Bliz programmer/coder/support people. |
| 19:13.50 | nevcairiel | or if some bug comes up, in the new year :P |
| 19:13.59 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
| 19:14.17 | Fisker | banished to the nethere |
| 19:14.20 | Fisker | -e |
| 19:14.28 | Lopeppeppy | *bamf* |
| 19:19.31 | Shadowed | I would guess the 8th given both Bibi and Cair :p |
| 19:20.03 | nevcairiel | they need to take one more week, i'm not done with my 3.3 changes yet! |
| 19:20.19 | Lopeppeppy | Work faster! :P |
| 19:21.00 | nevcairiel | but but but |
| 19:21.07 | nevcairiel | all those movies need watching |
| 19:21.47 | Lopeppeppy | Suck it up, princess. *gentle poke* |
| 19:22.05 | Shadowed | you're coding for once?! |
| 19:22.36 | nevcairiel | no, thats the problem |
| 19:22.54 | foxlit | But nothing(?) is actually broken by 3.3 |
| 19:23.08 | nevcairiel | mapster broke due to the silly map changes |
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| 19:25.21 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 19:29.03 | Thunder_Child | Iriel! |
| 19:30.20 | Iriel | Thunder Child! |
| 19:33.10 | Lopeppeppy | Janet! |
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| 19:33.51 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, iirc you have the 3D setup right? |
| 19:38.35 | Iriel | I do, yes |
| 19:39.02 | Iriel | Though I dont use it most of the time, it's considerbly more eye fatigue than normal monitor use |
| 19:40.22 | foxlit | I believe the followup question would be "Did they break the 3D depth of nameplates in 3.3?" |
| 19:40.46 | foxlit | Someone was complaining they were not getting the right values from the widget API on the PTR. |
| 19:41.59 | haste | DWSR: regexps is the most undefine shit ever and I'd take "lua's awful regex implementation" (even though it isn't regexp, it's lua patterns) over the "proper" ones any day |
| 19:42.18 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, what foxlit said |
| 19:42.32 | Thunder_Child | sorry i was in a fail raid dailing |
| 19:42.54 | Iriel | I'll confess I haven't checked -- the 3d Lua API's have been way broken since they went in and until they tell me they've fixed them I sort of dont want to look. |
| 19:43.04 | Iriel | I'll check in a bit tho |
| 19:43.45 | foxlit | haste: the problem is mostly that most regular expressions aren't regular anymore. |
| 19:44.01 | haste | foxlit: hence the undefined shit statement :p |
| 19:44.15 | foxlit | Documented shit, however :) |
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| 19:58.14 | Thunder_Child | thats interesting, the ingame tooltip says conflag does 65 seconds of my immolate |
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| 20:23.11 | industrial | http://itmademyday.com/2009/12/05/bman/ |
| 20:23.40 | Shirik | Iriel, epic fail :( |
| 20:23.42 | Shirik | ERROR:Xst:870 - "DisplayModeSelector.v" line 57: Can not simplify operator DIV. |
| 20:23.49 | Shirik | So division is plain not an option |
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| 20:24.16 | Sixen5 | @industrial: lol |
| 20:24.22 | Sixen5 | Why am I #5 :( |
| 20:27.32 | Iriel | foxlit: So you want to know if/how nameplates are different between 3.2 and 3.3 with depth enabled? |
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| 20:31.37 | Iriel | In 3.2 the nameplates appear at the standard UIParent depth |
| 20:32.25 | Iriel | Hm, my PC isn't fully patched up for the PTR, this will take a bit longer than expected |
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| 21:06.41 | Shirik | I am a god! |
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| 21:07.23 | Torhal | Shirik: Put the LSD down. Gently. |
| 21:08.14 | Shirik | division sucks |
| 21:08.15 | Shirik | FYI |
| 21:08.21 | Shirik | I have a lot of respect for intel now |
| 21:08.24 | Torhal | Just remember not to use zero. |
| 21:08.33 | Shirik | no |
| 21:08.38 | Shirik | anything that is not a power of 2 sucks |
| 21:08.39 | Shirik | 0 is easy |
| 21:10.11 | Fisker | why Shirik? |
| 21:10.30 | Shirik | because it's impossible! |
| 21:10.37 | Shirik | Iriel, btw, I ended up doing some awesome magic |
| 21:11.03 | Shirik | a pipelined system that begins computation of division using long division, but because it's pipelined, I get a result (albeit a delayed one) every clock tick |
| 21:11.34 | Shirik | without having a result every clock tick things would have gotten a hell of a lot more complicated |
| 21:12.15 | Fisker | do go on |
| 21:12.54 | Fisker | are they fucking less shit up with 3.3 in regards to nameplates Iriel ? |
| 21:13.40 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: dunno if you've seen it, but you might find it interesting: http://politicalirony.com/2009/12/05/climategate-hardly/ |
| 21:25.02 | DWSR | Shirik: Lay off the faerie dust. |
| 21:27.40 | Iriel | foxlit: I dont see anything worse in 3.3 than 3.2 |
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| 21:30.17 | Fisker | when did i become foxlit? :( |
| 21:30.55 | Lopeppeppy | teases everyone with pumpkin spice dark chocolate chip cookies! |
| 21:31.41 | Shirik | frowns at Lopeppeppy |
| 21:31.55 | Lopeppeppy | They smell awesome, Shirik. |
| 21:32.02 | Shirik | Notice: Found area constraint ratio of 100 (+ 5) on block oscilloscope, actual ratio is 33. |
| 21:32.05 | Lopeppeppy | I can only have one, they're for a holiday party next weekend. |
| 21:32.07 | Shirik | 100 + 5 = 33? |
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| 21:33.00 | Iriel | Fisker: you didn't, but my original research was to answer foxlit's question |
| 21:33.19 | Iriel | Fisker: Specifically about how nameplates behaved with the NVidia 3d Stereo Vision stuff |
| 21:34.10 | Iriel | foxlit: Having said that, I noticed you asked specifically about the widget API returns, which I didn't really check because they're worthless at present 8-) |
| 21:34.55 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, i thought the origional question was about that addon |
| 21:35.18 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: which addon?Nobody mentioned an addon |
| 21:35.41 | Thunder_Child | _VirtualPlates |
| 21:36.28 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: ^^ |
| 21:37.03 | Iriel | I'm guessing the issue was that blizzard was accidently leaking distance information via depth, and fixed that? |
| 21:37.32 | Iriel | (Nameplates aren't supposed to have sufficient metadata to determine where the actual unit IS, beyond a vague 'under this spot on the screen, mostly') |
| 21:37.44 | Iriel | Range information (suitable for scaling) would be a no no |
| 21:38.03 | Thunder_Child | found it |
| 21:38.05 | Thunder_Child | "23:11.32SaiketI'm not sure if nameplates are broken on the PTR or if _VirtualPlates really got nerfed that fast." |
| 21:42.23 | Iriel | I'm sure the blizzard perspective is that they fixed a defect |
| 21:42.40 | Iriel | (Especially since having depth information on the nameplates didn't work anyway) |
| 21:42.43 | Fisker | well i was just wondering if they fixed stuff like being unable to do the shakeeffects if nameplates have been up? |
| 21:43.52 | Iriel | Fisker: I dont know, I did some tests in major cities so I'd be able to find a bunch of units with names, but nothing more advanced |
| 21:44.06 | Thunder_Child | thats to bad Shirik, having the nameplates in 3D would have been rather cool |
| 21:44.18 | Thunder_Child | s/shirik/iriel |
| 21:44.22 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 21:44.39 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:47.26 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: agreed - in theory blizzard could still do that by essentially blocking the ability to QUERY the depth of a nameplate frame, while still rendering it at the right depth |
| 21:47.54 | Iriel | (And of course, they'd need to mask the effective depth of any object whose parent was a nameplate) |
| 21:53.16 | foxlit | "Iriel: foxlit: I dont see anything worse in 3.3 than 3.2" |
| 21:53.50 | foxlit | Then something is not as it seems. Iirc Saiket said that it always returned nil on PTR. |
| 21:54.13 | Iriel | foxlit: I didn't quite notice your question about the API until later |
| 21:54.16 | Iriel | (after i'd logged out) |
| 21:54.47 | foxlit | I'm merely relaying a (perhaps somewhat distorted) message :) |
| 21:54.49 | Iriel | That makes sense, the problem is that the way depth renders in the UI is very very broken, there's essentially a really small depth window that actually renders, and everything else gets clipped to that |
| 21:54.50 | foxlit | /story |
| 21:55.18 | foxlit | Are you still able to create protected frames with CreateFrame while in lockdown? |
| 21:55.29 | Iriel | It sounds like blizzard did exactly what I'd have recommended had I been the developer. |
| 21:55.32 | foxlit | </hijack> |
| 21:56.21 | Iriel | Hm, you're not supposed to be able to do that (at least, not in any general sense) |
| 21:56.38 | Pneumatus | anyone checked on PTR if they added a filter to /eventtrace yet? |
| 21:59.45 | foxlit | Hah, I'll find out when it goes live :) |
| 22:00.15 | foxlit | Wish they'd do something about how the PTR patching/install works; it's too much of a pain for casual addon updates. |
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| 22:01.12 | Pneumatus | it'd be ok if the updates/patches stored themselves in the same place each time a new update comes |
| 22:02.02 | Sixen | Pneumatus, kd3 is the one you'd want to ask about that. |
| 22:04.32 | Fisker | hello kd3 |
| 22:22.42 | Ginji | multicore++ |
| 22:22.53 | Ginji | compiling stuff and running wow without issues |
| 22:26.14 | haste | yyy |
| 22:26.17 | haste | i7 <3 |
| 22:26.46 | haste | there's a few apps that manage to have enough IO that it slows that WoW while cmopiling with j9, but it so rare |
| 22:29.57 | Ginji | uhuh |
| 22:30.26 | Ginji | The only issue I have is power consumption |
| 22:31.00 | Ginji | I still need to get one of those kwh meters to check what my comp actually uses |
| 22:31.33 | haste | nose |
| 22:31.37 | haste | I don't dare to check that |
| 22:34.23 | nevcairiel | what was that page called that renders a page in different browsers? |
| 22:34.37 | nevcairiel | ah, browsershots |
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| 22:35.34 | haste | nevcairiel: Xvfb to the rescue? |
| 22:35.41 | haste | bshots is usually shit slow :P |
| 22:37.01 | nevcairiel | indeed it is |
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| 22:46.24 | kenuvis | Hello, I just looking for a command or save methode, which can destroy a frame, created by CreateFrame(....). Doing it with Hide is not relay nice. |
| 22:46.53 | Arrowmaster | doesnt exist |
| 22:46.53 | nevcairiel | you cant destroy frames |
| 22:47.06 | nevcairiel | hide and forget |
| 22:47.11 | nevcairiel | or better, re-use later |
| 22:48.03 | kenuvis | Ok, thank you. |
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| 22:49.50 | Iriel | I find it really strange when people leave after having had a question answered |
| 22:50.05 | Iriel | wouldn't you stick around to see if anything interesting came up? |
| 22:50.58 | Seerah | what if nev was wrong and needed corrected? ;P |
| 22:50.59 | nevcairiel | We obviously would, don't have one of the other folk here to ask .. they leave too fast |
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| 22:51.50 | Iriel | Personally I find the obsession with frame deletion odd also |
| 22:53.27 | Shirik | me too! |
| 22:54.36 | Shirik | Warning: More than 100% of device resources are used. |
| 22:54.38 | Shirik | :( |
| 22:54.51 | nevcairiel | more than? |
| 22:54.57 | Iriel | maybe you just need to delete some frames? |
| 22:54.59 | nevcairiel | thats physically impossible :P |
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| 22:55.34 | Iriel | nevcairiel: i suspect its a simulation/analysis |
| 22:55.37 | Shirik | Number of Slice Flip Flops: 9,840 out of 9,312 105% (OVERMAPPED) |
| 22:55.51 | nevcairiel | yeah i figured as much, still couldnt hold my comment :) |
| 22:55.53 | Shirik | It's trying to compile/synthesize my code |
| 22:56.09 | Shirik | it got pissed at me for trying to implement a 50-bit divider |
| 22:56.11 | nevcairiel | so cut out some flip flops |
| 22:56.12 | Shirik | pipelined divider* |
| 22:56.37 | Iriel | I wonder if there's any kind of log based implementation |
| 22:58.03 | Ginji | I don't think it's odd to clean something up after you're done with it |
| 22:58.14 | Iriel | mind you division is basically shift-subtract |
| 22:58.30 | Iriel | Ginji: but how many times do you know you'll NEVER need something again, ever, int hat session? |
| 22:58.54 | Ginji | Depends on the situation |
| 22:59.05 | Ginji | But probably not that often |
| 22:59.12 | Iriel | I understand thinking "I should delete this" - it's the attitude that the lack of a delete is somehow a major hole, rather than evidence that another approach is needed that's bizarre |
| 22:59.15 | foxlit | Iriel: but it's easier to create/destroy then create/store/reuse |
| 22:59.23 | foxlit | s/hen/han/ |
| 22:59.37 | Iriel | foxlit: sure, but theoretically the desire to 'delete' is one of efficiency |
| 22:59.45 | foxlit | No, it's not. |
| 22:59.59 | Ginji | No, it's one of lack of storage for more pron |
| 23:00.01 | foxlit | The typical code looks like: Create Stuff; Do Stuff to Stuff; Get rid of Stuff; |
| 23:00.09 | Ginji | CRUD |
| 23:00.25 | foxlit | If "get rid of stuff" doesn't fully get rid of stuff, you end up running multiple copies of stuff at the same time. |
| 23:00.32 | Audible | anyone on the PTR that has been testing QueryQuestsCompleted ? |
| 23:00.36 | foxlit | And then you think "Hey, it shouldn't do that. I should get rid of stuff better!" |
| 23:01.01 | Shirik | If there were any implementation for getting rid of a frame, it should be done by the GC, not by the developer |
| 23:01.03 | Iriel | foxlit: I guess so, so it's an attempt to apply the normal 'single shot application' pattern in the WoW environment |
| 23:01.06 | Ginji | Is there like a clear function for a frame? as in, remove every child on it? |
| 23:01.15 | Shirik | I fear any kind of destruction semantics in Lua |
| 23:01.33 | Iriel | Ginji: you loop over the children and hide them |
| 23:01.42 | Ginji | hide != remove! |
| 23:01.46 | nevcairiel | Shirik: for frames you would still need to mark them as "to be deleted" |
| 23:01.47 | Iriel | Ginji: generally if you plan on doing that a lot you've put the children in a happy array |
| 23:01.55 | Iriel | Ginji: What's the difference, realistically, to the user? |
| 23:01.56 | Shirik | nevcairiel: That doesn't change my view :) |
| 23:02.03 | Shirik | That actually convinces me frames should not be deleted |
| 23:02.13 | nevcairiel | since frames can be shown on screen without having a reference in Lua |
| 23:02.16 | Shirik | 5631 Warnings (0 filtered) |
| 23:03.02 | Iriel | Hm, my guitar tuner has a dissapointingly small number of internal components |
| 23:03.19 | Ginji | Doh, accoustic ... |
| 23:03.24 | Ginji | ooh, tuner :P |
| 23:03.55 | Iriel | it's acoustic, yes, and I can't play, which sucks. |
| 23:04.03 | Iriel | I keep trying, mind you |
| 23:04.43 | Ginji | The inability, as in you physically can't or the inability because you aren't experienced enough |
| 23:05.46 | Iriel | The latter, and i have a very hard time convincing my left hand to contort itself sufficiently - it really all boils down to practice which I dont do anywhere near enough off. |
| 23:07.06 | Ginji | So no lack of fingers? |
| 23:07.18 | Wobin | http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson511.html |
| 23:07.55 | Iriel | I have all 8 (and both thumbs) - about the only piece of body I have missing are my wisdom teeth and one other molar that decided it had enough with the world. |
| 23:07.56 | Wobin | Iriel, I have difficulty maintaining a barre position with my left hand =( |
| 23:08.04 | Ginji | Wobin: don't get it |
| 23:08.30 | Ginji | Iriel: lucky you! two of my molars decided it wasn't even worth showing up in the first place |
| 23:08.32 | Wobin | Ginji, used in guitar chords |
| 23:08.38 | Iriel | It's been suggested that I pick up an electric to get started with on the grounds that it's "easier" - but then i've heard conflicting opinions on that. |
| 23:08.57 | Wobin | Iriel, my opinion is that if you learn on the harder one, you can apply it to the easier... |
| 23:09.01 | Ginji | Electric is easier to make more sound with |
| 23:09.04 | Wobin | kind of like learning to drive manual transmission |
| 23:09.11 | Iriel | I'd rather have them not show up than have to have them removed later, though missing the wrong ones would likely suck, 8-) |
| 23:09.17 | Lopeppeppy | is scared of Iriel making more noise! |
| 23:09.34 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy, "He was such a quiet, chap"? |
| 23:09.49 | Lopeppeppy | Iriel has a big rawr when he wants one, ya! |
| 23:09.52 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: are you implying that learning to drive a manual transmission is hard? |
| 23:09.57 | Ginji | Oh, I'm not missing them, since they were never there in the first place |
| 23:10.05 | Fisker | ~seen corgan |
| 23:10.07 | purl | corgan is currently on #wowhead (2d 11h 11m 42s). Has said a total of 89 messages. Is idling for 19h 7m 52s, last said: 'mount'. |
| 23:10.10 | Iriel | I think he's implying that manual -> auto is easy, auto -> manual is not |
| 23:10.10 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, harder than automatic... yes |
| 23:10.15 | Ginji | And who knows, within 10-20 years the japanese will know how to grow back teeth |
| 23:10.22 | Wobin | and if you learn manual, you can drive an automatic |
| 23:10.28 | Iriel | there's always the joy of an implant |
| 23:10.28 | Wobin | but it's harder the other way around |
| 23:11.06 | Ginji | Hehe, which reminds me |
| 23:11.18 | Iriel | I learned to drive manual (in the UK if you have a manual license you can drive any car, but if you have an auto license you can only drive auto, AND auto's were't all that common when I lived there) |
| 23:11.31 | Ginji | There was this old guy driving around town in first gear while fully pressing the throttle |
| 23:11.50 | Ginji | You could hear him from miles away |
| 23:11.57 | Wobin | Ginji, sounds like my first car |
| 23:11.57 | Ginji | WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 23:12.00 | Wobin | it was automatic |
| 23:12.05 | Wobin | but couldn't get out of first =P |
| 23:12.18 | Thunder_Child | i am still so loving google voices transcript's "Hello jason calling you. I try to reach you, Sorry, and prepping for. The going in to get a colonoscopy and on Monday morning early Monday. It'll be with you tomorrow but it's still here around bye. Give me a call in the afternoon sometime. I'll be home." |
| 23:12.41 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that was mangled, TC. :) |
| 23:13.04 | nevcairiel | either that, or some russian was calling |
| 23:13.12 | Lopeppeppy | I learned to drive on a 3 speed tractor, wonder what that counts as... |
| 23:13.25 | Thunder_Child | stick |
| 23:13.36 | Lopeppeppy | *grin* |
| 23:13.48 | Lopeppeppy | "If you learned to drive on a tractor, you might be a redneck." |
| 23:14.39 | Thunder_Child | "If you go to family weddings to pick up chicks, you might be a redneck" |
| 23:15.14 | Ginji | It's a grey area! |
| 23:15.24 | Ginji | :P |
| 23:15.28 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause non-family go to those too, ya know. |
| 23:18.08 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy, woah, you mean people from -further- than two states out? =) |
| 23:18.32 | Lopeppeppy | Well, not in my case, but for some people, ya. |
| 23:20.38 | Iriel | More than 2 states out is practically forrin' isn't it? |
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| 23:23.56 | Lopeppeppy | Ayup. |
| 23:25.30 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
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| 23:30.19 | Wobin | ... |
| 23:30.20 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stn_XCo_dyg&feature=player_embedded |
| 23:30.38 | Wobin | oh man Anonymous >< |
| 23:31.10 | Trela | Old. |
| 23:32.11 | Fisker | Wobin |
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| 23:32.15 | Fisker | let me post something |
| 23:32.20 | Fisker | October 21, 2008 October 21, 2008 October 21, 2008 October 21, 2008 October 21, 2008 October 21, 2008 October 21, 2008 October 21, 2008 October 21, 2008 October 21, 2008 October 21, 2008 October 21, 2008 October 21, 2008 October 21, 2008 October 21, 2008 |
| 23:33.05 | Wobin | Why Fisker, that looks -old- |
| 23:33.43 | Ginji | And random |
| 23:33.44 | Shirik | let me post something |
| 23:33.49 | Shirik | Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker |
| 23:34.05 | Fisker | over 9000 Shiriks |
| 23:34.09 | Lopeppeppy | Hi, Shirik... wow. |
| 23:35.32 | Ginji | Omg! http://www.purple.com/ |
| 23:38.31 | Wobin | Ginji, it's... purple? |
| 23:39.06 | Ginji | Unexpected I know! |
| 23:40.07 | NightHawkTheSane | that is pretty purple. |
| 23:40.44 | Fisker | goodnight Wobin |
| 23:40.50 | Fisker | and maybe goodnight Shirik |
| 23:41.00 | Ginji | Oyasumi Fisker |
| 23:46.20 | Wobin | >< |
| 23:46.21 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/man-beats-world-of-warcraft-20091204-k9ly.html |
| 23:46.30 | Wobin | I can't believe that made it into mainstream news =P |
| 23:47.29 | Zyn | anything makes it into the mainstream news |
| 23:47.41 | Zyn | when the papers got jack shit to write about |
| 23:48.22 | Zyn | i.e. our local newspaper; "BLIND MAN NUDE CHOCKED HIS NEIGHBOURS" |
| 23:48.49 | airtonix | with a DUCK! |
| 23:48.57 | foxlit | It's np, they'll patch some more stuff in. |
| 23:49.00 | Lopeppeppy | There was an awesome news story today about a tennis star whose girlfriend broke up with him because he played too many video games... |
| 23:49.03 | foxlit | Hopefully before he has a chance to get BB King. |
| 23:49.12 | foxlit | </evil> |
| 23:51.38 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy, http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20091202 |
| 23:52.12 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that's the spirit, Wobin. :) |
| 23:52.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: heh, i saw that, my friend commented that his girlfriend not only was hotter, but didn't care how much he played. (hell, she plays just as much) |
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| 23:52.40 | airtonix | omfg zombie indicator is at 7 |
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| 23:53.28 | Lopeppeppy | I never minded how much TKFT played, until he started playing with his girlfriend... *rolls eyes* |
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| 23:59.52 | foxlit | qq at texture inconstancies in panel templates :( |
