| 00:00.13 | Dagmar | Get your people a discount plan with the local Bosley Hair Clinic |
| 00:00.24 | Dagmar | ...cuz they're going to start losing hair. |
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| 00:00.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Most of them already have ;) |
| 00:00.43 | Dagmar | heh |
| 00:01.22 | Dagmar | Yeah when I shaved my head last month for this lady with cancer, it became readily apparent that jokes about the shift causing it fall out weren't going to go over well |
| 00:01.51 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
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| 00:03.40 | ScytheBlade1 | The real problem is the 30m lunch |
| 00:03.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That's short, sure |
| 00:04.07 | ScytheBlade1 | But I have to park off site and it is a 10m shuttle ride to my car |
| 00:04.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Which.. does not work! |
| 00:04.12 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:04.14 | Shirik | I will destroy you |
| 00:04.22 | WobWork | oh no |
| 00:04.24 | Dagmar | Well, if it wasn't a 30m lunch there would be literally NO time between going home, going to sleep, getting up, and going back to work |
| 00:04.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Shirik-- |
| 00:04.28 | WobWork | shirik has been botted by fisker |
| 00:04.33 | Shirik | you are not cool ScytheBlade1 :( |
| 00:04.45 | Dagmar | 12.5h on shift is bad enough without it becoming 13h |
| 00:04.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Straight for the karma. |
| 00:04.52 | Shirik | cries and goes away |
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| 00:08.00 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:08.16 | ScytheBlade1 | trolled |
| 00:08.31 | cog|work | this is how we troll |
| 00:09.05 | Fisker | WHAT LIARY IS THIS KD3!? |
| 00:09.37 | Fisker | bye Shirik|AFK |
| 00:09.40 | Fisker | i hope you enjoyed it |
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| 00:11.08 | Fisker | omg tits |
| 00:11.44 | Fisker | <-master summoner |
| 00:12.02 | Kraps | hai gyz wats in herre |
| 00:12.11 | Fisker | you face me Kraps |
| 00:12.28 | Kraps | wa |
| 00:12.39 | WobWork | http://twitpic.com/rtj0j |
| 00:13.15 | NeoTron | ScytheBlade1: so what do you do for a living, except being a slave? |
| 00:13.24 | Fisker | oh yeah WobWork |
| 00:13.25 | Fisker | hot |
| 00:13.30 | Fisker | masturbates |
| 00:13.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Take calls from high pressure people and fix their crap. |
| 00:13.42 | Kraps | ~lart Fisker |
| 00:13.42 | purl | smacks Fisker up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 00:14.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: so, be a slave, then? :P |
| 00:14.18 | ScytheBlade1 | And then some! |
| 00:14.23 | Kraps | Fisker: like so http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqMUuOPsa0o |
| 00:14.42 | NightHawkTheSane | buys ScytheBlade1 a beer. |
| 00:15.00 | foxlit | grr. |
| 00:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | The company actually has a building on campus |
| 00:15.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ... it is a dry campus |
| 00:15.18 | ScytheBlade1 | So. |
| 00:16.32 | Fisker | i could fart your face off Shirik |
| 00:16.33 | Shirik | but you would't |
| 00:16.36 | Shirik | wouldn't |
| 00:16.46 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, why did Shiibot lock the channel earlier? |
| 00:16.50 | Shirik | hm? |
| 00:16.54 | ScytheBlade1 | a |
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| 00:17.05 | ScytheBlade1 | well, Shiibot is bad it would seem |
| 00:17.11 | Shirik | no, that is intended behavior |
| 00:17.40 | Shirik | when did this happen Thunder_Child? |
| 00:17.42 | Fisker | so i can spam now? |
| 00:17.43 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, it was 2-4 hours ago maybe |
| 00:18.05 | Fisker | [20:07:48] * Joins: Hjalte (n=chatzill@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk) |
| 00:18.05 | Fisker | [20:07:58] * Joins: batbot (n=batbot@batbytes.com) |
| 00:18.05 | Fisker | [20:08:33] * Shiibot sets mode: +rRf #shiibot |
| 00:18.05 | Fisker | [20:08:33] * Joins: Keias (n=bleh@pool-72-86-106-233.aubnin.fios.verizon.net) |
| 00:18.05 | Fisker | [20:08:33] <@Shiibot> Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 17490 minutes |
| 00:18.12 | Thunder_Child | ty Fisker |
| 00:18.26 | Keias | o_O |
| 00:18.33 | Thunder_Child | though the times will be different |
| 00:18.34 | cog|work | FISKER STOP SPAMMING |
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| 00:18.42 | Thunder_Child | oh lol |
| 00:18.43 | Fisker | yes! |
| 00:18.46 | Fisker | scoooore |
| 00:18.59 | Fisker | finally got someone banned other than myself |
| 00:19.01 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: you sir win |
| 00:19.13 | Shirik | hm, it was theorbtwo's fault |
| 00:19.23 | Shirik | and cog|work, you are a moron |
| 00:19.25 | Fisker | what did he do? |
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| 00:19.36 | Fisker | and why did it take like ?? minutes for it to get it? |
| 00:19.40 | cog|work | rofls |
| 00:20.25 | Thunder_Child | thats odd Shirik, i dont remember anything in channel |
| 00:20.31 | NightHawkTheSane | high fives cog|work |
| 00:20.48 | foxlit | fs. GCC is emitting a stack access, and I don't want that :( |
| 00:21.20 | Fisker | foxlit |
| 00:21.21 | Fisker | hej |
| 00:21.37 | Shirik | no I take it back |
| 00:21.39 | Shirik | it was DWSR's fault |
| 00:21.45 | Shirik | but, really what happened was lag |
| 00:21.51 | Shirik | he got like 20 messages at once |
| 00:22.04 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.15 | Shirik | !reload |
| 00:22.16 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 00:22.35 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, DWSR got 20 messages or Shiibot did? |
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| 00:22.39 | Shirik | Shiibot did |
| 00:22.49 | Shirik | foxlit: It's far easier to put it on the stack |
| 00:23.10 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, time for a new filter? |
| 00:23.22 | Shirik | I don't really know of a way to detect that tbh |
| 00:23.23 | foxlit | Shirik: it's also far worse :*( |
| 00:23.34 | Shirik | worse is subjective |
| 00:23.42 | Shirik | you can do more optimizations by leaving registers free |
| 00:23.53 | Shirik | This is one of those cases where you know more than the compiler does |
| 00:24.12 | Thunder_Child | wait...PM style messages or in channel? |
| 00:24.17 | Shirik | in channel |
| 00:24.28 | foxlit | You'd think with all the "register" hinting, it'd get a message. |
| 00:24.29 | Shirik | he just lagged out and then when TCP delivered all the missing messages he saw it as 20 messages in half a second |
| 00:24.35 | Shirik | oh it STILL won't foxlit? |
| 00:24.37 | Cide- | continuously ping the server? |
| 00:24.39 | Shirik | that's surprising |
| 00:24.54 | Cide- | I thought register was just a guideline like "inline" |
| 00:24.58 | foxlit | It's only like 9 int or int * variables, should be able to live in the registers. |
| 00:25.01 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:25.01 | foxlit | It is, Cide-. |
| 00:25.02 | Shirik | actually |
| 00:25.05 | Shirik | 9? |
| 00:25.07 | Shirik | That's a lot |
| 00:25.13 | Shirik | some registers MUST be used for certain purposes |
| 00:25.28 | Shirik | and others make no sense for your case |
| 00:25.52 | Shirik | For example, edx is not a GPR |
| 00:26.13 | Shirik | well technically it is |
| 00:26.16 | Shirik | but it's really not "General purpose" |
| 00:26.16 | foxlit | It's MIPS; EAX does not belong. |
| 00:26.24 | Shirik | ok so I don't know what architecture you're using :) |
| 00:26.26 | Shirik | you didn't specify |
| 00:26.45 | Shirik | maybe the compiler doesn't implement "register"? |
| 00:26.54 | foxlit | Nah, it gets most of them. |
| 00:27.23 | foxlit | I just can't figure out which particular one is on the stack instead. |
| 00:27.32 | Shirik | is this for a pipeline? |
| 00:27.37 | Shirik | collision vectors? |
| 00:27.44 | theorbtwo | IIRC, gcc doesn't implement register, since when it did, it almost always created worse code. |
| 00:27.59 | foxlit | [In general, there are 10 temporaries and 8 "saved" registers; all of those are user-usable.] |
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| 00:28.00 | Shirik | theorbtwo: tbh that's because of the programmers |
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| 00:28.08 | Shirik | not because of gcc |
| 00:28.18 | theorbtwo | Shirik: Well, to a degree. |
| 00:28.30 | theorbtwo | It's hard to do a better job allocating registers then gcc already does. |
| 00:28.31 | Shirik | "register" is INTENDED as a deoptimization |
| 00:29.05 | foxlit | Plus a bunch of others that it probably won't touch. |
| 00:29.15 | Shirik | the compiler should always pick what's best globally. However, by "deoptimizing" code you might be able to enforce an optimization that you think is better. |
| 00:30.18 | cog|away | Fisker: see? we started a banned |
| 00:30.47 | foxlit | Meh, though. I'd really prefer it not to do that, but it appears to have me cornered. |
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| 00:33.54 | Shirik | cog|away you are bad |
| 00:35.08 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 00:35.18 | foxlit | Got rid of multiplication, it stopped using the stack. |
| 00:47.05 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Bibi |
| 00:47.05 | purl | flings poo at Bibi |
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| 00:51.10 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 00:51.11 | ScytheBlade1 | http://bash.org/?9326 |
| 00:51.14 | ScytheBlade1 | not me, but entertaining |
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| 00:51.37 | Thunder_Child | LIES! |
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| 01:05.07 | Lunessa | Naturally, just when I'm supposed to be going home, a server crashes. |
| 01:05.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Go home anyway |
| 01:10.36 | Lunessa | I think I will. Screw 'em. |
| 01:10.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Good for you |
| 01:11.13 | Lunessa | Not like I'm the guy that fixes it. |
| 01:11.19 | Lunessa | I already called him. |
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| 01:25.41 | A-KO | sigh |
| 01:25.45 | A-KO | we're getting owned by the beasts heroic |
| 01:25.52 | A-KO | the transition from gormok to worms :( |
| 01:25.58 | Shirik | rofl |
| 01:26.06 | Shirik | I love Wikipedia's "court" system |
| 01:26.12 | Shirik | I wish US judges would write things like this: |
| 01:26.15 | Shirik | Per Jehochman's request to withdraw and in consultation with the arbitrators, this request will be dismissed without prejudice to refile and archived at 00:01 28 November 2009. The clerk also notes that anyone refiling on substantially the same subject matter before 00:01 15 December 2009 will be smacked upside the head. |
| 01:26.54 | theorbtwo | grins. |
| 01:26.59 | Yssaril | lol |
| 01:27.10 | theorbtwo | I've seen some that have written things like that. |
| 01:27.33 | Yssaril | though i love reading/hearing some of the US supream court debates :) where they rip lawyers to shreds |
| 01:30.07 | theorbtwo | You can read and hear surpreme court debates. The ripping to shreads is normally pretty subtle. |
| 01:30.52 | Yssaril | thats what i mean i love that when at the end the lawyer just looks like an idiot for even opening his mouth :) |
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| 01:36.32 | Thunder_Child | are there public api's for wowarmory? |
| 01:39.32 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: there's a bunch of services that extract data ... I wonder if you could contact them and ask how stupid/smart it is. |
| 01:39.38 | Jerub | quickarmory.com be.imba.hu etc. |
| 01:40.08 | Shirik | well Thunder_Child |
| 01:40.10 | Shirik | it's just XML |
| 01:40.19 | Shirik | that's a pretty good API as it is |
| 01:40.37 | Thunder_Child | Jerub, actually i wanted to see my calendar for my chars outside of my browser |
| 01:40.47 | Thunder_Child | eg, desktop widget |
| 01:41.10 | Thunder_Child | i dont always logon to them and i get invites that i dont know about sometimes |
| 01:41.24 | Thunder_Child | + i like to check raid times |
| 01:46.10 | Thunder_Child | same goes for you Shirik |
| 01:46.26 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:46.31 | Thunder_Child | see above |
| 01:46.41 | Shirik | yeah what about it |
| 01:46.56 | Thunder_Child | will xml let you do that? |
| 01:47.09 | Thunder_Child | since it requires a login? |
| 01:47.27 | Shirik | well you would need to handle the login I guess |
| 01:47.35 | Shirik | login, request with cookie |
| 01:50.08 | alestane | "Democracy: Two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch." |
| 01:50.39 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: surprisingly accurate. |
| 01:51.38 | tem|afk | does this Swift Alliance Steed drop every time you get Tribute to Insanity? |
| 01:51.53 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 01:52.38 | tem|afk | neat |
| 01:57.47 | alestane | Gah, I don't think C treats commands like break or goto as expressions. |
| 01:58.44 | alestane | I'd like to be able to say something like "p? p: break" but I don't think that will compile. |
| 01:59.31 | NeoTron | this mount thing is kind of nice and all |
| 01:59.44 | NeoTron | except they completely failed to make either of them desirable in the least |
| 02:02.49 | Shirik | uh, that doesn't make any sense alestane |
| 02:02.54 | Shirik | break doesn't return anything |
| 02:02.59 | Shirik | it can't return anything |
| 02:03.14 | Shirik | is there something seriously wrong with if (!p) break; |
| 02:03.16 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:03.26 | alestane | You have to use it in another expression. |
| 02:03.27 | Shirik | It is the same number of characters, even... |
| 02:03.44 | alestane | Which means you have to declare a variable to recieve the result, most times. |
| 02:03.45 | Shirik | Your expressions are obviously too complex if there's an "abort" in the middle of it |
| 02:04.27 | alestane | resultType result = function(); if (result) actOn(result); |
| 02:04.48 | alestane | I want something that works out more like actOn(assert(result)); |
| 02:05.07 | alestane | Or rather, actOn(assert(function())); |
| 02:05.26 | alestane | But I think C is on too primitive a level to support something like that. |
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| 02:07.21 | alestane | The closest C expression I can think of looks like "actOn(function() || goto escapePoint);" but I'm not sure C logical operators pass tested values out the way Lua operators do, and goto isn't an expression either. |
| 02:07.44 | alestane | Basically I have to resign myself to the fact that C isn't a functional language. |
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| 02:08.59 | Shirik | you could write an "assert" |
| 02:09.08 | Shirik | but that's probably a really bad idea |
| 02:09.18 | Shirik | you could do it with setjmp and longjmp |
| 02:10.30 | alestane | There are probably any number of reasons why I should just do what C programmers have done since time immemorial and store the value in an intermediary variable that I can test and re-use. |
| 02:11.38 | alestane | encountering a goto in the middle of a function call would probably leave C extremely confused about what to do with any arguments that were already on the stack. |
| 02:12.02 | Jerub | alestane: sorry, why? |
| 02:12.09 | Jerub | alestane: unless you mean a longjmp |
| 02:13.10 | alestane | Jerub: No, I mean a hypothetical (and disallowed) call like "evaulate(something, somethingElse, somethingTestable || goto bailOut);" |
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| 02:13.31 | Jerub | alestane: why would that have any problems with stack allocated variables? |
| 02:14.15 | alestane | If "something" and "somethingElse" are already on the stack when "somethingTestable" comes up zero and the goto is called, what does the runtime do with something and somethingElse? |
| 02:14.52 | Jerub | even if it's loading the results from those expressions directly into the memory locations further down on the stack in preparation for updating the function pointer/stack pointer, aborting that operation just means that those stack locations will contain some trash data, which is entirely the same as what happens when you call a function and return from it. |
| 02:15.38 | alestane | C++ exception handling is at least built with stack unwinding in mind, but I've never been sure how well C handles gotos across function boundaries. |
| 02:15.56 | foxlit | I thought labels were local. |
| 02:16.31 | Jerub | uh, what i'm trying to say is the boundary hasn't been crossed until the stack pointer is changed to point to the new function's area on the stack. |
| 02:17.20 | Jerub | until that happens (which is after all the parameters are marshalled), the boundary hasn't been crossed and there's nothing terribly wrong with just throwing data in the unused stack space like a drunk throwing bottles in the river. |
| 02:17.52 | alestane | Well, right, but is it going to remove the values from the stack once the function that was going to receive them isn't going to be called anymore? Or at least know to put anything new that goes onto the stack into their space? |
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| 02:18.14 | foxlit | Yes, no, maybe. |
| 02:18.23 | alestane | It's a completely hypothetical situation at this point, C won't let you do this anyway. |
| 02:18.25 | foxlit | It'll all get eaten eventually when you return from that function, though. |
| 02:18.57 | alestane | It's things between the goto destination and the return point that I'd be worried about at this point. |
| 02:18.57 | foxlit | (depends on whether the stack pointer is updated before or after all the objects are put on the stack (and your goto executes)) |
| 02:19.28 | foxlit | If the stack pointer is updated last, there are no negative side effects. |
| 02:20.58 | alestane | As in, write arg1 and arg2 into the space below the stack pointer, and don't move the stack pointer until arg3 is written successfully? The biggest issue I can see with going that route is when arg3 is obtained from another function call. |
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| 02:21.08 | alestane | That would lead to all kinds of headaches. |
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| 02:23.46 | foxlit | But not altogether broken -- it could zigzag between expanded and contracted states as it calls those functions. |
| 02:24.52 | foxlit | [Though I don't suppose it actually does that, since the actual situation never comes up] |
| 02:26.31 | alestane | It's an interesting puzzle, and not entirely irrelevant to C++ as I don't think an exception can be thrown from an expression either. |
| 02:35.10 | cogwheel | abbreviation ZOMGFAIL!!23 http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/skilledinanal.png |
| 02:36.17 | cogwheel | is so submitting that to failblog |
| 02:36.32 | alestane | That does seem like an infelicitous place to break the text, yes. |
| 02:41.44 | Thunder_Child | much more fun than analyst |
| 02:44.22 | Thunder_Child | which amuses me when people say it as anal-cyst |
| 02:45.47 | cogwheel | http://cheezburger.com/View.aspx?aid=2911924736 |
| 02:49.10 | cogwheel | ~hug Cairenn |
| 02:49.10 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Cairenn and suddenly hugs Cairenn tightly |
| 02:49.16 | Cairenn | :) |
| 02:50.02 | cogwheel | is figuratively biting his nails |
| 02:50.04 | Shirik | tackles Cairenn |
| 02:50.21 | ScytheBlade1 | backs away from cogwheel and his skilled anal |
| 02:50.24 | ScytheBlade1 | also, sleep time |
| 02:50.32 | cogwheel | nn |
| 02:54.08 | cogwheel | so they have my resume but they're right in the middle of a release... *gnawfiguratively* |
| 02:55.06 | cogwheel | figuratively puts neosporin on his raw fingertips |
| 02:55.15 | cogwheel | o.o |
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| 03:00.34 | Cairenn | hands cogwheel some Valium |
| 03:00.55 | cogwheel | omnomnom |
| 03:01.11 | cogwheel | takes a literal sip of coffee |
| 03:01.29 | Cairenn | lol, that's not going to help jittery nerves ;) |
| 03:01.44 | cogwheel | nah... i distracted myself with that FAIL |
| 03:02.58 | Cairenn | hehe |
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| 03:24.53 | cogwheel | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/11/30/funny-pictures-in-its-natural-habitat/ |
| 03:25.19 | Yssaril | anyone want a google wave invite? |
| 03:28.38 | cogwheel | ditto... |
| 03:29.34 | cogwheel | been offering mine for a couple weeks now |
| 03:30.14 | cogwheel | and i don't want to invite any of my non-techie friends/family... it's not exactly the best experience atm |
| 03:30.16 | NightHawkTheSane | the couple people i sent invites to got invites to distribute almost immediately |
| 03:30.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i think they're ramping up |
| 03:30.42 | cogwheel | they better be doing something because the performance is atrocious imo |
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| 03:33.47 | Thunder_Child | âOh. Well, I think Iâd rather gouge my eyes out than be exposed to culture!..." |
| 03:34.58 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: quoth the redneck? |
| 03:36.34 | Thunder_Child | NEVERMORE |
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| 03:42.55 | alestane | I would think the redneck would quoth more along the lines of "Not never again, nope!" |
| 03:44.31 | cogwheel | s/quoth/paraphraseth you/ |
| 03:45.06 | Thunder_Child | no cogwheel, it was a snipet from notalwaysright |
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| 04:00.29 | Shirik | omg |
| 04:00.32 | Shirik | I think the sky is falling |
| 04:00.59 | Shirik | I can barely see outside there's so much rain |
| 04:01.10 | alestane | Are you in Florida? |
| 04:01.31 | Shirik | yes :P |
| 04:02.12 | cogwheel | everyone remembers this classic, right? http://bit.ly/6AeNfF -- well it might actually not be such a crazy idea in the near future: http://technabob.com/blog/2009/12/02/scientists-create-artificial-pork/ |
| 04:02.43 | alestane | Shirik: That explains why I don't see any sign of this cataclysmic rain. |
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| 04:03.05 | Shirik | http://www.accuweather.com/radar-local.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&zipcode=32114&level=local&anim=0&type=re2&site=KJAX |
| 04:04.13 | Seerah1 | Shirik: isn't that the strand we got earlier today? (memphis) it was nowhere near cataclysmic :p |
| 04:04.24 | Shirik | it is definitely cataclysmic |
| 04:04.33 | Shirik | you are not Seerah you are an impostor |
| 04:04.42 | tem|afk | We decided to skip Auriaya |
| 04:04.49 | tem|afk | this is the most fun I've had in ulduar in months |
| 04:06.16 | Seerah1 | Shirik: according to the radar you linked, the orange and red are just level 3-4 on a scale of 10 in intensity ;) |
| 04:06.23 | Shirik | no actuallyt |
| 04:06.27 | Shirik | it's a 13-14 |
| 04:06.32 | Shirik | it just wrapped around |
| 04:06.47 | Seerah1 | ohhhh |
| 04:06.48 | Seerah1 | I see |
| 04:07.08 | Seerah | but still - I see no purples on that map :D |
| 04:07.41 | Shirik | that's because it was poorly coded |
| 04:07.45 | Shirik | it wrapped around and that makes it yellow |
| 04:08.17 | Seerah | nuh uh |
| 04:08.30 | Shirik | yup |
| 04:15.10 | alestane | I will say this for the SPECS proposal (if not much else): its handling of break and continue in switch statements is slightly more sane. |
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| 04:23.50 | Shirik | I think I just found a bug in webkit |
| 04:23.52 | Shirik | or chrome |
| 04:25.07 | Dotted | lies google is incapeable of failure :( |
| 04:29.37 | Yssaril_ | Shirik: so you gonna tell us about this bug? |
| 04:29.38 | kdtresh | "alleged" bug |
| 04:29.38 | Shirik | when doing a search it highlights the phrase, right? |
| 04:30.08 | Shirik | The search can also find something in an edit box. The odd behavior occurs when the edit box's content changes |
| 04:30.24 | Shirik | (1) if editing the middle of the phrase, the two ends of the phrase remain highlighted, while the injected text is shown plain |
| 04:30.31 | Shirik | (2) the count for "found phrases" does not update |
| 04:31.04 | Shirik | (3) attempting to scroll through the list of found phrases by hitting "enter" in the search box will result in jumping to the first phrase, and the number will go 1,2,3 but stay on the first occurrance |
| 04:31.53 | alestane | See if this behavior also occurs in Safari? That may give you some clue as to whether it's Chrome's fault or WebKit's. |
| 04:31.56 | alestane | Night all. |
| 04:34.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i'm -pretty- sure that'd be a chrome issue, as I dont recall seeing that in safari, but i can check real quick |
| 04:35.43 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, not seeing that in safari, so very much a chrome issue (webkit is a rendering engine, so i dont imagine it deals much with the ui and maybe implementation of search..) |
| 04:45.17 | WobWork | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/02/1913213/Danish-DRM-Breaker-Turns-Himself-In-To-Test-Backup-Law |
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| 04:47.24 | Seerah | oh oh oh! wrath gate cinematic :D |
| 04:48.57 | WobWork | grats Seerah! =) |
| 04:49.03 | WobWork | oh wait, I always do that |
| 04:49.11 | WobWork | waits til the cinematic is over before gratzing |
| 04:51.42 | Seerah | thanks, wob :) |
| 04:54.39 | WobWork | I have to admit, for epic quest chains |
| 04:54.42 | WobWork | horde has it better |
| 05:02.24 | Dagmar | Heh "When the full mosaic is revealed, your combined efforts will unlock an epic, exclusive piece of World of Warcraft art as a final reward." |
| 05:02.35 | Dagmar | Translation: You'll have the biggest JPG file you've ever seen |
| 05:03.17 | Jerub | Dagmar: "longcat is long?" |
| 05:03.55 | Dagmar | I get the feeling they're going to make the entire mass of pictures of players available as one superhumoungous jpg |
| 05:04.04 | Dagmar | So, a little longer than lolcat |
| 05:04.58 | theorbtwo | expects they'll scale the images way, way down, and use them as pixels in a larger image, by average RGB value in each photo. |
| 05:05.14 | theorbtwo | It's quite an easy effect to pull off. |
| 05:05.40 | Dagmar | Well, there's a degree to which they could reduce the images down to 1x1 size and lol their way through it |
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| 05:07.10 | Dagmar | If they stay at the size they're being reduced to now tho, the end result will be the sort of massive JPG some people will click on in Firefox to make it show it full size, and then go make coffee |
| 05:10.40 | Dagmar | That'll be awesome. :) |
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| 05:47.38 | WobWork | Dagmar: what's this? |
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| 05:55.26 | Shirik | screw you tylenol |
| 05:55.35 | Shirik | "New improved flavor" my ass it still tastes like shit |
| 05:56.00 | cogwheel | what did you expect your ass to taste like? |
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| 06:09.47 | Iriel | Why are you TASTING tylenol? |
| 06:13.14 | Thunder_Child | ~Iriel++ |
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| 06:14.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i would assume the liquid kind? |
| 06:14.59 | NightHawkTheSane | but the question still holds.. |
| 06:20.08 | Thunder_Child | the pill forms do have a flavor...such as it is |
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| 06:21.04 | WobWork | Pill haz a flava? |
| 06:21.27 | zenzelezz | what is "tylenol"? |
| 06:21.46 | WobWork | Painkiller |
| 06:21.58 | WobWork | I think it's a sort of aspirin? |
| 06:22.05 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 06:22.06 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Certainly, but the aim is, usually, to swallow them fast enough you're not really aware of it. |
| 06:22.23 | zenzelezz | I know I've never found a pill for headaches that didn't taste bad |
| 06:22.48 | zenzelezz | Iriel: if Cairenn is awake, you just made the topic |
| 06:23.11 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're tasting your pills, you're doing it wrong :P |
| 06:23.16 | Iriel | let's all hope she's not. |
| 06:23.16 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, doesnt work for me, since it goes in first then goes in the qater |
| 06:23.49 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: yes, I do take pills the wrong way; I've never been good at swallowing them whole |
| 06:24.15 | Thunder_Child | water* |
| 06:25.25 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, no, she looks at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/wowuidev.html.gz for quotes |
| 06:31.45 | WobWork | we have one brand called nurofen |
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| 06:32.11 | WobWork | it's a ibuprofen |
| 06:32.19 | WobWork | and the pills taste sugar coated =P |
| 06:32.47 | NightHawkTheSane | why dont we sugar coat our pills? i mean, hell, we sugar coat everything else |
| 06:35.50 | Iriel | : The coating used in TYLENOL* ULTRA RELIEF and Extra Strength TYLENOL* EZ Tabs is made sweet with sucralose, the same sweetener used in SPLENDA*. |
| 06:35.58 | Iriel | so, we do. |
| 06:36.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, i just dont use those, is all. :P |
| 06:36.34 | WobWork | clearly you've never needed the SUPAR pain relief =) |
| 06:36.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i try to avoid using otc medication for anything. |
| 06:37.13 | NightHawkTheSane | advil for a bad headache, some claratin or off brand similar for allergies, but thats it. |
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| 06:52.43 | Iriel | sleep time. |
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| 07:09.37 | Amarande | sooo ... |
| 07:09.42 | Amarande | the "data for the new patch" we downloaded this time |
| 07:09.47 | Amarande | is this just some graphics again, or the real mccoy? |
| 07:10.00 | Fisker | the real mccoy isn't downloaded until release |
| 07:10.14 | Amarande | Fisker: based on what we downloaded, do you think it's 12/8? |
| 07:10.27 | Amarande | wantLFDwantLFDwantLFDwantLFDwantLFD :P |
| 07:10.43 | Thunder_Child | uhhh...what? |
| 07:10.43 | Fisker | looks like what they're targetting |
| 07:10.52 | Thunder_Child | it's all part of the same thing |
| 07:11.07 | Amarande | T_C: each week the patch fails to come out is a week I'm disappointed not to be able to LFD yet. :( |
| 07:11.41 | Thunder_Child | so are a lot of other people |
| 07:12.04 | Fisker | i'm farting Thunder_Child |
| 07:12.21 | airtonix | lfd? |
| 07:12.28 | Thunder_Child | looking for dungeon |
| 07:12.30 | airtonix | Lower Finite Decimals? |
| 07:12.37 | Thunder_Child | it's the new name for the lfd system |
| 07:12.41 | Thunder_Child | lfg* |
| 07:12.54 | airtonix | Linguistic Fisker Department |
| 07:12.55 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 07:13.02 | Fisker | Blizzard calls it "Dungeon Finder" |
| 07:13.15 | airtonix | Lone Fisker Drone |
| 07:13.28 | Thunder_Child | common name != official name |
| 07:13.39 | airtonix | Lart Fart Dart |
| 07:13.42 | Thunder_Child | Lone Madrone is a good compant |
| 07:13.45 | Thunder_Child | company* |
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| 07:46.50 | Shirik | dies |
| 07:49.06 | zenzio | http://punditkitchen.com/2009/12/02/political-pictures-martin-luther-king-real-proud/ |
| 07:50.50 | Thunder_Child | rezzes Shirik |
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| 08:09.57 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28848 |
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| 08:11.47 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 08:11.54 | zenzio | Cairenn: sweet |
| 08:11.55 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 08:12.00 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 08:12.04 | Amarande | How goes? |
| 08:12.07 | Cairenn | as always, Dolby is the best |
| 08:12.09 | Amarande | Preorder Naamah's Curse yet? :) |
| 08:12.15 | Cairenn | nope |
| 08:13.16 | Amarande | I know who's going to love LFD the most, I think ... |
| 08:13.26 | Amarande | Shadow Priests and DPS Warriors come to mind, in particular |
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| 08:14.13 | Sentri | tek are you around? |
| 08:14.13 | Amarande | no more being rooked into healing and tanking that you're not prepared for |
| 08:15.09 | Amarande | Ret Pallies will probably <3 it even more, too |
| 08:16.25 | Sentri | If i've understood correctly, you can also join LFD as a group? |
| 08:16.58 | Sentri | or can you only do it solo |
| 08:17.03 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 08:17.37 | Sentri | nice |
| 08:18.34 | Sentri | so I continue doing dailies with my friend |
| 08:18.38 | Sentri | I can * |
| 08:18.50 | Amarande | there *are no* more dungeon daily quests as such, though |
| 08:19.04 | Amarande | rather, the first dungeon you do using the random dungeon feature counts as if it were the daily IIRC |
| 08:19.10 | Sentri | yeah but I meant the daily thing in the LFD system |
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| 08:34.16 | Zyn- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHCu28bfxSI |
| 08:34.18 | Zyn- | o wut |
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| 09:10.59 | olafski | amarande: but can't shadowpriests, fury warriors and ret paladins just join the LFG system as dps right now? |
| 09:11.17 | olafski | I always giggle a bit when I see them in lfg with a dps spec but I still invite them for dps ;) |
| 09:11.31 | Amarande | olafski: there's still one problem with that, though |
| 09:11.43 | Amarande | see, the thing about lfd is you don't see the group forming until you're in the instance and everyone's in with an assigned role |
| 09:11.48 | zenzio | I would be more amused if there was a fury warrior in prot spec |
| 09:12.00 | Amarande | currently, the problem occurs when you try to obtain a healer or tank, having already a (DPS specced) priest or warrior in the group |
| 09:12.12 | Amarande | especially if you are the priest or warrior yourself and trying to ask for said healer or tank |
| 09:12.29 | Amarande | then you get catcalls from /2 or /4 on the lines of "why don't you heal/tank it? you're a priest/warrior" |
| 09:12.30 | olafski | hm.. never really noticed that problem |
| 09:12.56 | olafski | but then I generally just accepted that to begin with |
| 09:13.03 | olafski | I don't even bother looking for a group as dps :$ |
| 09:13.26 | olafski | I'm pleasantly surprised if there is another tank so I can dps (which is my main spec "officially" |
| 09:13.37 | Sentri | good to be a druid with resto and feral gear |
| 09:13.59 | Sentri | doesn't matter what they need you can always join a hc |
| 09:14.30 | Sentri | but it's usually healer what they need :P |
| 09:15.12 | olafski | I still think dps will have a harder time than they do now with the new LFD system |
| 09:15.17 | olafski | but we'll have to see if I'm right :) |
| 09:15.30 | Amarande | olafski: nah, I think they'll have an easier time |
| 09:15.42 | Amarande | because once you join the queue, you get added to a group automatically |
| 09:15.43 | olafski | well, I don't :P |
| 09:15.56 | Amarande | my problem as DPS is usually that you have something less than five seconds to jam in your "I'll go" PST before the group fills, whenever someone asks for DPS |
| 09:15.58 | olafski | sure you're pretty much guaranteed to have a group eventually |
| 09:16.17 | olafski | but I as a tank for instance won't be looking for dps through this system |
| 09:16.17 | Amarande | if this isn't the case, it's either a slow time of day or the group is demanding ridiculously excessive DPS for the instance concerned, or both |
| 09:16.39 | Amarande | olafski: but you'd trust a random *healer* from it? |
| 09:16.42 | olafski | since I can find people on my own realm, I don't have to bother with randoms from other realms |
| 09:16.50 | olafski | if I have to sure |
| 09:16.57 | olafski | but I still prefer to play with people from my own realm |
| 09:17.02 | Amarande | remember, the healer is far more responsible for your well being than the DPS is. :) |
| 09:17.06 | olafski | and my gf is a healer, and I generally don't play without her |
| 09:17.10 | olafski | yes I know |
| 09:17.15 | olafski | it's not the skill I'm worried about :) |
| 09:17.26 | Amarande | but yeah, the problem isn't a lack of groups needing dps |
| 09:17.37 | olafski | people can be real douches and you can't do anything about it since they're on a different realm |
| 09:17.42 | Amarande | the problem is that by the time you see that there's a group needing dps and try to send in your pst, the group is full |
| 09:17.43 | olafski | hence why I prefer people from my own realm |
| 09:17.48 | Amarande | and you'll be lucky to even get a reply back saying so :P |
| 09:17.58 | Amarande | which disappointment the queue system should avoid |
| 09:18.16 | olafski | if more people think like I do, dps will have even more competition while the number of tanks/healers doesn't really increase much |
| 09:18.17 | Amarande | I once literally took six seconds to answer a "LF DPS" and was told full. |
| 09:18.36 | olafski | yep when I ask for dps I generally have like 10 to choose from in a few seconds |
| 09:18.56 | olafski | "they" say the balance of healer:dps:tanks is different on different realms but I highly doubt it's significant |
| 09:19.00 | Kalroth | you get 9 "dps" and 1 dps though :p |
| 09:19.07 | Amarande | do you find you favor certain classes when you choose from those 10? |
| 09:19.15 | olafski | yeah kalroth but that doesn't really matter for heroics :) |
| 09:19.17 | Amarande | sometimes I wonder if they don't really favor warlocks ... |
| 09:19.23 | olafski | amarande: only if my gf or me need something from the dungeon we're doing |
| 09:19.43 | olafski | and my gf prefers ranged since they are easier to heal |
| 09:19.58 | Sentri | yeah it's like "dps":dps:tank:healer = 10:3:2:1 on my realm |
| 09:20.19 | Amarande | Kalroth: most lf dps tends to be either heroics, voa (which seems to be designed for bad pugs), and onyxia (for which healer mana is the main concern not dps) |
| 09:21.09 | Amarande | occasionally you get a toc10 or 25 looking for DPS but it seems like they hardly ever find it, because they demand way too high figures |
| 09:21.09 | Kalroth | I'm not just worried about their damage done, it's also their ability not to stand in fire :) |
| 09:21.22 | olafski | sentri: yeah, and I think those balances aren't much different anywhere else |
| 09:21.23 | Amarande | Kalroth: I find most folks seem to care more about your recount output, whether or not you stand in the fire |
| 09:21.29 | olafski | so the cross realm dungeon thing won't "balance things out" |
| 09:21.44 | Amarande | like ... if you do 3.5k dps and know where you should stand, you're still not as likely to be picked as the guy who does 5k but can't keep his ass out of the fucking fire to save his life |
| 09:21.49 | Kalroth | olafski: it'll get you a group much faster though |
| 09:21.55 | ZorbaBeta | olafski, I know I'm planning on playing my healer more intently when the LFD system shows up, simply because I won't have to hedge around with "uh I want to heal but my gear isn't great, is that okay?" |
| 09:22.02 | olafski | kalroth: I just explained why I don't think that will happen :P |
| 09:22.06 | olafski | kalroth: if you're dps, that is |
| 09:22.06 | ZorbaBeta | I'll just join and the system will slot me in with someone and I don't have to feel bad about it. |
| 09:22.21 | olafski | zorbabeta: yeah that's a good thing about it of course :) |
| 09:22.29 | olafski | zorbabeta: and it will group you with other people with bad gear so they can't qq |
| 09:22.29 | Kalroth | Amarande: Not true for me (or my server), I prefer a player that doesn't do dumb shit and do 2k dps than a player that's a dumbass and do 3k dps |
| 09:22.38 | Amarande | Kalroth: which server? |
| 09:22.43 | Amarande | Turalyon seems to be full of meter maids lately :| |
| 09:22.45 | olafski | kalroth: but how can you know a player doesn't do dumb shit? |
| 09:22.55 | olafski | kalroth: if you don't know him, all you can see is his stats |
| 09:22.59 | Kalroth | olafski: well it's simple statistics, you get a larger pool of players, so there'll be less waiting regardless of the class |
| 09:23.01 | ZorbaBeta | olafski, yeah. (although that's a bit of a downside, I did a Gundrak run yesterday on my healer that was trivial due to an overgeared tank and they just told me to need on everything I could use because it's not like any of them needed it) |
| 09:23.04 | Kalroth | Amarande: Stormrage EU |
| 09:23.09 | Amarande | which MAY not be something that gets better with the LFD system |
| 09:23.12 | ZorbaBeta | (two pieces of cloth gear on my druid, done!) |
| 09:23.12 | Amarande | since it's battlegroup based |
| 09:23.13 | olafski | kalroth: uhuh.. now go read what I said :P |
| 09:23.29 | Amarande | and stormstrike has such fun servers as Mal'Ganis on it, which means EJ, which means the ultimate number pickers |
| 09:23.30 | Kalroth | olafski: Yeah, you were on about balances etc. |
| 09:23.43 | olafski | kalroth: I'm on about tanks and healers not using the system |
| 09:24.08 | Sentri | they said that the system will try to put ppl with different quality of gear in the same group, or did they scratch that? |
| 09:24.14 | olafski | no they still do that |
| 09:24.18 | Kalroth | olafski: Why wouldn't they? I got both a tank and a healer and I might as well pick that system over spamming lfg |
| 09:24.23 | Amarande | Sentri: wait |
| 09:24.30 | olafski | kalroth: that's up to you. I won't use it if I don't have to :) |
| 09:24.33 | Amarande | this means if you get geared, you're guaranteed to get partnered with people in greens for your heroics? heh |
| 09:24.38 | olafski | kalroth: as I said, read my previous lines.. no need to repeat it |
| 09:24.46 | Amarande | that's gonna suck. |
| 09:24.54 | Sentri | yeah |
| 09:24.55 | olafski | amarande: no, if you have greens you'll get paired with greens |
| 09:25.03 | olafski | oh I misread what sentri said :) |
| 09:25.06 | Kalroth | olafski: yeah, just saying it's from your point of view, it differs from other players :p |
| 09:25.14 | Amarande | yeah, I read it as if you have purples you're doomed to get paired with greens |
| 09:25.17 | olafski | I thought they planned from the beginning to have it equal a bit |
| 09:25.31 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure that the cross-server lfg will yield more groups and enable people to find one faster |
| 09:25.33 | olafski | kalroth: sure, but I'm predicting more people will think like this :P |
| 09:25.34 | Sentri | Amarande: exactly what I was typing |
| 09:26.10 | Sentri | dunno what percentage of lvl 80's have ToC25+ quality gear |
| 09:26.21 | olafski | kalroth: we'll have to see of course.. but if people start acting like douches because you can't realy punish them for it anyway since they're on a different realm pretty soon tanks and healers will stop using it, since they can get a group by just asking in /lfg once |
| 09:26.53 | Amarande | I'm especially looking forward to being able to instance on the way up on leveling characters |
| 09:26.56 | olafski | given that I have a pet healer, as a tank I can just pick the dps classes I need for a group, it's not like I need a larger pool of people for that :) |
| 09:27.00 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, amen to that |
| 09:27.01 | Kalroth | olafski: Well you can't punish douches regardless of their server location :) |
| 09:27.04 | Amarande | yay for having to do fewer crappy outland quests because I can get xp from instances |
| 09:27.21 | olafski | kalroth: well, dunno about you but I kind of think my reputation on my own realm matters |
| 09:27.21 | ZorbaBeta | I don't mind outland quests, I just want to test out my instancing skills as I'm going up |
| 09:27.27 | Amarande | every time I try to play my priest lately I feel like crap because I can't seem to stand outland anymore |
| 09:27.35 | olafski | amarande: me too kind of, except that I don't really have chars to do that on anymore :( |
| 09:27.37 | Kalroth | olafski: but if you already got a healer (and you're a tank) then you're different from 99% of the other players in WoW :) |
| 09:27.44 | Amarande | as that one horde quest says |
| 09:27.46 | Amarande | Outland Sucks! |
| 09:28.01 | Amarande | hell, I wasn't too happy with outland even in the beginning |
| 09:28.06 | Kalroth | I mean, I got a guild and I can usually find people for the daily heroic by going "daily? I'll heal/tank" |
| 09:28.11 | Amarande | I was the guy who would refuse to go until 60, and maybe now not till 62-64 |
| 09:28.25 | ZorbaBeta | man, I don't get how you can prefer classic to outland :P |
| 09:28.28 | olafski | alliance can do that quest too :P |
| 09:28.28 | Amarande | thing is, you probably do get less xp from classic quests |
| 09:28.29 | Amarande | but ... |
| 09:28.33 | Amarande | at least classic quests DON'T SUCK |
| 09:28.33 | Kalroth | Outland is awesome |
| 09:28.38 | olafski | I don't mind outland |
| 09:28.39 | Kalroth | huh?! |
| 09:28.41 | olafski | classic is what sucks |
| 09:28.46 | Kalroth | Classic quests did suck |
| 09:28.53 | Kalroth | Most of them anyways |
| 09:28.58 | ZorbaBeta | yeah outland ain't great compared to northrend but it's leaps and bounds ahead of classic |
| 09:29.10 | ZorbaBeta | (I say this as someone who just finished the Sweet Amber quest chain) |
| 09:29.13 | olafski | I always find myself wondering "where to level now" in classic |
| 09:29.16 | ZorbaBeta | (my god that quest chain is horrible) |
| 09:29.16 | olafski | even with the boostest XP |
| 09:29.17 | Amarande | Sweet Amber? |
| 09:29.19 | olafski | zorbabeta: lol! |
| 09:29.25 | Amarande | lemme guess, that's an ally chain |
| 09:29.26 | olafski | horrible quest chain if ever there was one |
| 09:29.30 | Amarande | I don't remember ever doing it |
| 09:29.30 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, yeah, it's ally |
| 09:29.36 | Amarande | yeah, that would explain why I don't know it |
| 09:29.38 | ZorbaBeta | there's a dwarf who speaks in poetry and tells you to go get some stuff |
| 09:29.39 | Amarande | never played an ally toon past 41 |
| 09:29.48 | ZorbaBeta | only he doesn't tell you where to go, and the stuff is literally spread out all over the goddamn world |
| 09:29.52 | Kalroth | when leveling alts, I usually end up griding some humanoids for a level or two in classic |
| 09:29.59 | ZorbaBeta | and there's like four separate stages, each time you have to go and turn the quest in and get more stuff to get find |
| 09:30.04 | Aiiane | blarg, highlighted for no reason :P |
| 09:30.04 | Kalroth | since there's no good quests to do at certain level ranges |
| 09:30.14 | ZorbaBeta | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=48 first quest in the chain |
| 09:30.27 | ZorbaBeta | (that's the one that gives the best hint) |
| 09:30.32 | Amarande | Kalroth: the trick is to kill anything that moves while you're on the way to the spots to do other quests |
| 09:30.41 | Amarande | remember, if it's red it's dead |
| 09:30.43 | olafski | meh riding past everything wins :P |
| 09:31.00 | olafski | pretty soon I'll have no chars in the classic range anymore |
| 09:31.09 | Kalroth | Amarande: I only use that term when fishing in Stormwind .. on my orc. |
| 09:32.19 | Fisker | you crashed my damn flash ZorbaBeta |
| 09:32.41 | ZorbaBeta | fisker, l2flash nub |
| 09:32.43 | Fisker | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 09:32.47 | Fisker | Trembling gnome |
| 09:33.55 | Amarande | yay for barrens leveling with a prospector's axe with crusader on my warrior |
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| 09:34.05 | Amarande | it's almost like kicking kittens in its sadistic easyness. :) |
| 09:34.41 | olafski | zorbabeta: how about the linken quest chain btw :P |
| 09:34.44 | Fisker | you face Fisker |
| 09:35.24 | Amarande | wowhead, you fail |
| 09:35.24 | ZorbaBeta | olafski, vastly better - you go all over the damn place, but you're told where to go |
| 09:35.34 | ZorbaBeta | Sweet Amber is "go find some stuff, gl hf" |
| 09:35.37 | Amarande | apparently, it treats Crusader as worthless when evaluating a weapon enchanted with it. |
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| 10:03.14 | Jerub | what was the name of that grid addon that shows lines showing who is healing who? |
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| 10:41.09 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://www.staydrenched.co.uk/watchtv.aspx |
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| 10:41.24 | Cairenn | lol |
| 10:43.05 | Amarande | Cairenn, can you bribe Blizzard with cookies to release the patch early so we can LFD? :) |
| 10:43.14 | Cairenn | lfd? |
| 10:43.20 | Amarande | looking for dungeon |
| 10:43.23 | Cairenn | ah |
| 10:43.31 | Cairenn | heh |
| 10:43.37 | Amarande | I so rarely get to do pre-80 instances anymore |
| 10:43.45 | Amarande | the last time I did was a week or so ago in SM with my hunter |
| 10:49.34 | Lukian | can the 7 day promo thing be used with a Vanilla/BC acct? |
| 10:50.12 | Amarande | what 7 day promo thing? |
| 10:53.23 | Lukian | http://worldofwarcraft.com/account/claim-promotion.html?promoId=SEVEN_DAYS_PROMOTION |
| 10:53.26 | Lukian | that one |
| 10:55.17 | Amarande | *shrug* |
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| 10:57.40 | Lukian | oh heh the promolink doesn't even work properly |
| 10:57.45 | Lukian | fail Blizzard :( |
| 10:58.11 | Fisker | what say you Lukian ? |
| 10:58.13 | Fisker | worked fine here |
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| 10:58.28 | Lukian | it takes me to login, logging in doesn't say anything about the promotion |
| 10:58.47 | Cairenn | didn't work for me |
| 10:59.03 | Fisker | when i login i get told that there's no wow accounts |
| 10:59.06 | Fisker | which there isn't |
| 10:59.12 | Fisker | well no us accounts anyways |
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| 11:01.38 | Legorol | promotion? |
| 11:02.27 | Lukian | just google it :p |
| 11:03.21 | Legorol | I don't know what to google for because I don't know what's going on. Just googling for "promotion" will hardly do I guess |
| 11:06.56 | haste | Cairenn: the first image in your team managing guide links to nothing (404!) |
| 11:07.08 | Cairenn | hrm |
| 11:08.22 | Cairenn | should work now |
| 11:08.26 | Cairenn | thanks for the heads up |
| 11:08.55 | Amarande | haste: a real team leader doesn't use written guides for leadership |
| 11:09.00 | Amarande | :D |
| 11:09.06 | Amarande | is a little tipsy from the [Balefire]. |
| 11:09.07 | Cairenn | lol |
| 11:09.53 | haste | Amarande: I'm not a team leader you insensitive clod! |
| 11:10.00 | haste | I just like clicking no images |
| 11:13.17 | Amarande | Cairenn, when are you going to join us at Terre d'Ange :) |
| 11:13.34 | Cairenn | oh lord, the last thing I need to do is join another forum |
| 11:13.35 | Cairenn | lol |
| 11:15.46 | Fisker | you wouldn't lick a toad haste |
| 11:16.02 | Amarande | Cairenn, but a Kushiel forum would be right up your alley :) |
| 11:16.19 | Amarande | And you'd really get to pick which house of the Night Court you'd belong to, since that's one of the paths of rank through the site |
| 11:16.40 | Cairenn | likely a little too much, actually :p |
| 11:16.41 | Amarande | is, for the moment, determining whether Cereus or Eglantine would be appropriate for me. |
| 11:16.49 | Fisker | Cairenn would you lick a toad? |
| 11:16.58 | Cairenn | Fisker: would depend on the toad |
| 11:18.20 | haste | Fisker: You wouldn't dance in a aequeosalinocalcalinoceraceoaluminosocupreovitriolic |
| 11:18.46 | Amarande | Fisker: please don't remind me of that effing quest |
| 11:19.05 | Amarande | that's like the most stupidest tedious quest I've ever done |
| 11:19.06 | Amarande | EVER |
| 11:19.20 | Fisker | haste |
| 11:19.26 | Amarande | you know the one. |
| 11:19.28 | haste | worse than hoves shit in the barrens during release? |
| 11:19.36 | Fisker | You wouldn't look it up on wikipedia and make an informed decision |
| 11:19.38 | Amarande | haste: I wasn't in WoW until BC |
| 11:19.51 | Amarande | the only shit quests I did were in Hellfire and Nagrand that I can remember |
| 11:20.00 | haste | aw |
| 11:20.05 | haste | then you missed so much crap! |
| 11:20.20 | haste | like being L12, needing 25 or so hoves, that had like 2% drop rate |
| 11:21.28 | Amarande | I do know about bad drop rates though |
| 11:21.34 | Amarande | but I come to appreciate them |
| 11:21.53 | Amarande | the worse the drop rate, the fewer quests I have to do, which means the less mindless traipsing around from quest node to quest node I have to do! |
| 11:22.11 | Amarande | and btw |
| 11:22.16 | Amarande | I actually *like* the Barrens in its current form |
| 11:22.31 | Amarande | the only thing that bugs me is when the crossroads is under attack when I'm trying to get/turn in quests |
| 11:23.18 | haste | the barrens is fine now, it was a lot wores during 1.2 |
| 11:23.37 | Audible | this is a dynamic world, i like that stuff like that can happen |
| 11:24.12 | Amarande | Audible: it depends on how long the disruption lasts |
| 11:24.19 | Audible | well, its irritating, i wont say that, but its a good feeling since the game can surprise you from time to time |
| 11:24.25 | Amarande | and as for me and liking zones |
| 11:24.27 | Amarande | I like Desolace |
| 11:24.29 | Audible | or you can surprise the game *wink wink* |
| 11:24.31 | Amarande | so you can't really regard me as typical |
| 11:24.32 | Amarande | heh |
| 11:25.19 | Audible | i like "The Carred Vale" |
| 11:25.21 | Audible | its a nice plac |
| 11:25.24 | Audible | place |
| 11:25.59 | Audible | lots of ore |
| 11:28.05 | Amarande | lots of harpies :P |
| 11:28.20 | Amarande | I still remember accidentally getting into combat with a 28 elite one at 25 on my hunter |
| 11:28.29 | Amarande | and being even more amazed that I -actually defeated it- |
| 11:30.16 | Amarande | it was at this point that I learned how overpowered twinked MM hunters are. |
| 11:31.33 | Lukian | Legorol, if you read, you'd google "wow 7 day promo" :p |
| 11:32.00 | Legorol | Lukian: if you checked, i came online after any mention of 7 days |
| 11:32.08 | Lukian | ah! :) |
| 11:32.15 | Lukian | I have parts/joins filtered ^^ |
| 11:32.18 | Legorol | I'm a bigger smartass than you! ha |
| 11:36.11 | Amarande | Night folks. :) |
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| 11:54.26 | zenzio | the lack of an attributed author of the quote has me puzzled |
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| 11:54.27 | Cairenn | zenzio: because it didn't come from anyone in channel |
| 11:54.27 | zenzio | sure it didn't... |
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| 12:02.01 | Lukian | what kinda fish has one eye? |
| 12:03.03 | Cairenn | don't read any more into it than is there |
| 12:03.24 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:05.08 | Kalroth | http://www.smashingapps.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/fish-eyes.jpg |
| 12:05.16 | Cairenn | lol |
| 12:05.59 | Kalroth | her name isn't richard though |
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| 12:09.29 | Fisker | ~weather edch |
| 12:09.34 | Fisker | fu |
| 12:09.44 | Kalroth | ~weather edky |
| 12:09.51 | Kalroth | fu |
| 12:10.03 | Fisker | ~weather ekch |
| 12:10.07 | Fisker | do it purl |
| 12:10.12 | Kalroth | ~weather eskn |
| 12:10.22 | Kalroth | wtfff |
| 12:10.27 | Fisker | brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 12:10.33 | Kalroth | ~weather ekyt |
| 12:10.33 | Kalroth | aha |
| 12:11.09 | Kalroth | what is your personal dew point, fisker |
| 12:11.20 | Fisker | your human mother |
| 12:12.15 | Kalroth | you imply that I got a non-human mother too? |
| 12:12.29 | Fisker | yes |
| 12:12.48 | Kalroth | how many mums do I have |
| 12:13.09 | Fisker | sufficient |
| 12:13.22 | Kalroth | are you my daddy |
| 12:15.05 | zenzio | only if you dress provocatively |
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| 12:45.44 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/pepsodentti.jpg |
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| 12:52.39 | ZorbaBeta | I love the bottom-right one |
| 12:52.44 | ZorbaBeta | he's all :D |
| 12:54.10 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/12/god_bless_america_monster_truc.php |
| 12:54.32 | mikma | zorbabeta: yes, yes he is :D also the one one the bottomleft, is like :P |
| 12:56.15 | mikma | http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=61281 |
| 12:58.04 | mikma | heh! http://www.empireonline.com/gallery/gallery.asp?GID=2353 |
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| 13:05.28 | Fisker | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/biology_evolution/article6879293.ece |
| 13:05.29 | Fisker | lol |
| 13:05.47 | Wobin | ... |
| 13:05.50 | Wobin | karate... kid? |
| 13:06.07 | Wobin | since when does karate do vertical split kicks? |
| 13:07.18 | Kalroth | he learned from ninja kid |
| 13:09.42 | Wobin | Fisker, old news =P |
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| 13:17.28 | Kazie | Is it possible to change the font size of chat names? on the tabs that is. |
| 13:18.56 | Wobin | hm |
| 13:19.03 | Wobin | Yahtzee's voice sounds a bit off this week |
| 13:19.17 | Wobin | it's not as cynically upbeat as usual |
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| 13:25.34 | Kalroth | :( |
| 13:25.48 | Fisker | you wouldn't :( Kalroth |
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| 13:40.37 | Zernin | can a saved variable in a toc file be defined as an individual member of a table, such as addonname.settings |
| 13:43.58 | zenzio | I like the first story here: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Special-Delivery.aspx |
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| 13:52.42 | ZorbaBeta | zernin, no |
| 13:52.53 | ZorbaBeta | addonname_settings is reasonably traditional in that case. |
| 13:53.25 | Fisker | unreasonable ZorbaBeta |
| 13:56.09 | nevcairiel | now this is fun, i was about to order the bluray box of band of brothers from amazon .. but i strawled through a local multimedia store today, and they had it for like 40% of the price .. funny |
| 13:56.49 | Kalroth | :D |
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| 14:10.16 | Fisker | bluray |
| 14:10.16 | Fisker | lol |
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| 14:36.54 | cog|sleep | jnwhiteh: still need help with testing a droid? |
| 14:38.38 | jnwhiteh | cogwheel: if you've got the android sdk, yeah it would be useful |
| 14:38.51 | cogwheel | I do |
| 14:39.06 | jnwhiteh | It's a fairly simple test.. just hook it up and start logcat on it |
| 14:39.33 | jnwhiteh | then go into Settings -> Accounts & Sync and make sure auto-sync is on |
| 14:39.50 | jnwhiteh | then go into all of the accounts and disable the checkbox from each feed |
| 14:40.09 | jnwhiteh | leave it up for a few minutes (screen on if you can) and then send me the logcat :P |
| 14:40.24 | jnwhiteh | I'm fairly sure you guys don't have the bug that we do, but I want to make sure we're headed to the right target |
| 14:49.21 | cogwheel | ok it's running now. i should give it what, 5 minutes or so? |
| 14:50.24 | jnwhiteh | yeah shouldn't need that much |
| 14:50.35 | jnwhiteh | I'm almost positive you dont have the issue but the log should be tiny with sync disabled. |
| 14:51.09 | jnwhiteh | you know not to apply the update on teh 11th, right? |
| 14:51.39 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:51.41 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:51.46 | Fisker | banished to the nether |
| 14:51.54 | cogwheel | nope ... what's going on? |
| 14:52.38 | jnwhiteh | the droid is really close to being rooted |
| 14:52.46 | jnwhiteh | to the point where the 11th update might close the exploit |
| 14:52.59 | jnwhiteh | and once you're rooted you can do anything you need (including apply updates without de-rooting) |
| 14:54.13 | cogwheel | just e-mailed you my logcat output |
| 14:54.18 | jnwhiteh | saw it, thanks. |
| 14:54.39 | krka | jnwhiteh: have a minute to look through some lua code? |
| 14:54.43 | Fisker | you wouldn't root an android jnwhiteh |
| 14:55.08 | jnwhiteh | cogwheel: you had facebook sync disabled as well? |
| 14:55.16 | jnwhiteh | i.e. auto-sync on but ALL feeds under sync configs disabled? |
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| 14:55.39 | jnwhiteh | krka: I'll promise to try =) |
| 14:55.41 | cogwheel | yep |
| 14:55.50 | jnwhiteh | intersting |
| 14:55.54 | jnwhiteh | you have the exact same issue we do |
| 14:55.56 | jnwhiteh | or one of them |
| 14:55.59 | krka | basically i made a short function for adding properties to userdata objects, but it seems overly complex |
| 14:56.18 | krka | http://pastey.net/129756 |
| 14:56.47 | krka | oops, last line should include an end :) |
| 14:58.06 | jnwhiteh | I don't see why you consider that complex |
| 14:58.15 | cogwheel | i turned off the sync after starting the log, if that makes any difference |
| 14:58.23 | jnwhiteh | cogwheel: was the screen on during this, or off (mostly) |
| 14:58.31 | jnwhiteh | cogwheel: Do you happen to know where in the log you turned it off? |
| 14:58.42 | krka | well, there's a lot of conditionals... and invoking the index method seems harder than it needs to be |
| 14:58.55 | krka | but maybe i do have to manually simulate how lua does it internally :/ |
| 15:00.13 | jnwhiteh | cogwheel: and you left it on the settings screen, right? |
| 15:00.16 | jnwhiteh | if i read this correctly |
| 15:00.16 | krka | but if you don't see anything obviously stupid with it, that's good enough for me :P |
| 15:00.27 | cogwheel | jnwhiteh: the screen was on. i was poking it occasionally to make sure |
| 15:00.28 | jnwhiteh | krka: It doesn't seem bad to me at all.. you could make it shorter, but it would be as clear or explicit. |
| 15:00.35 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 15:00.44 | krka | did you mean to say "wouldn't"? |
| 15:00.54 | cogwheel | i'm not exactly sure where in the log i turned them off ... i was piping it into a text file and don't have tail on windows atm... |
| 15:01.09 | cogwheel | i can run it again with them off from the beginning if you like |
| 15:01.32 | jnwhiteh | cogwheel: if you wouldn't midn.. |
| 15:02.40 | jnwhiteh | i dont know if you have debug mode on your device, but in your notification bar when usb is connected, do you have a "USB debugging connected" option? |
| 15:02.50 | jnwhiteh | if so, in there you can force the screen on when connected via usb |
| 15:02.54 | jnwhiteh | so you don't have to poke it. |
| 15:03.20 | cogwheel | ah cool |
| 15:03.48 | jnwhiteh | I think i see where you turned it off, but it's tough to tell |
| 15:06.11 | jnwhiteh | ty |
| 15:06.16 | cogwheel | np |
| 15:06.45 | jnwhiteh | how many minutes was this over, and were you using the device? |
| 15:07.03 | cogwheel | about 3 minutes and it was just sitting there while i got dressed |
| 15:07.39 | jnwhiteh | looks like the screen went off at least once? |
| 15:07.49 | cogwheel | i noticed it dimmed, but it never turned off |
| 15:07.58 | jnwhiteh | ok |
| 15:08.06 | mikma | Anyone here wants to help me to fix OhSnap? :D |
| 15:08.55 | jnwhiteh | thank you cogwheel! |
| 15:09.19 | cogwheel | welcome =) |
| 15:10.49 | cog|away | tiem 4 work |
| 15:20.19 | Fisker | no cog|away |
| 15:20.22 | Fisker | time for not work |
| 15:20.28 | Fisker | anyways jnwhiteh |
| 15:20.34 | Fisker | why would you root a droid? |
| 15:21.42 | Kazie | How do i make this "/run _G.DEFAULT_CHATFRAME_ALPHA = 0" become permanent? |
| 15:22.16 | nevcairiel | you put that command in some addon to run it on every login |
| 15:22.21 | nevcairiel | there is no other permanent |
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| 15:24.07 | Kazie | Oh crap.. i have no idea how to do that :D |
| 15:25.56 | alestane | You make a folder in Interface/AddOns, call it something like ClearChat. Make a textfile in there with a name that ends in ".lua" and put "DEFAULT_CHATFRAME_ALPHA = 0" in it. |
| 15:26.14 | Kazie | Is that it? |
| 15:26.25 | nevcairiel | also needs a .toc |
| 15:26.38 | Kazie | yea.. version and author and stuff yes? |
| 15:26.39 | alestane | Make another textfile with the name "ClearChat.toc" (or whateveryounamedthefolder.toc), and put "## Interface: 30200" |
| 15:27.00 | nevcairiel | interface is the only mandatory field |
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| 15:27.10 | nevcairiel | no ned to specify the other metadata |
| 15:27.14 | nevcairiel | *need |
| 15:27.19 | alestane | Also "## Title: ClearChat" and "ClearChat.lua" (or whatever you named your lua file). |
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| 15:27.39 | Kazie | Wow.. that sounds really simple |
| 15:27.46 | alestane | You don't HAVE to put title, but I find it makes it easier to keep track of. |
| 15:27.56 | alestane | It is, in fact, pretty simple. |
| 15:28.00 | nevcairiel | doesnt it just use the folder name then? |
| 15:28.17 | alestane | nevcairiel: It might. |
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| 15:29.53 | Kazie | What about author? does it need that? .. like ## Author: Kazie or something ? |
| 15:30.05 | alestane | You can put that but it isn't required to run. |
| 15:30.28 | Kazie | Okay thanks guys.. i'll see if i can make it work :D |
| 15:30.39 | mikma | http://www.egotastic.com/video?fod=f8fab67257&w=512&h=328&info=Rachel%20Bilson%20Nude%20Sex%20Scene%20Video |
| 15:31.16 | alestane | Only rule is that the ToC file's name has to match the folder name with ".toc" appended, and the Lua file's name has to match the line in the ToC file that DOESN'T have "##' on it. |
| 15:32.14 | Kazie | That was Title: Name right? |
| 15:32.17 | Kazie | without ## ? |
| 15:32.27 | nevcairiel | all metadata is with ## |
| 15:32.30 | nevcairiel | only files go without |
| 15:33.02 | Kazie | which lines is that then without ## ? |
| 15:33.10 | alestane | The files to load for the add-on. |
| 15:33.23 | alestane | Just the name of your .lua file for this one. |
| 15:33.40 | Kazie | ahh do i just write that in the bottom of the file? or must it be at the top?+ |
| 15:34.01 | alestane | It's usually at the bottom, not sure it has to be though. |
| 15:34.28 | Kazie | I'll put it in the bottom then :) |
| 15:34.35 | alestane | Files are loaded in the order you list them if you have more than one; sometimes that's important, but not for yours cause it's really simple. |
| 15:36.28 | Kazie | how do you make a description for the addon list? |
| 15:36.37 | Kalroth | ~weather ekyt |
| 15:36.41 | Kazie | Like "This addon removes the background of the chat, even with mouseove" |
| 15:36.50 | alestane | I think that's "## Notes: " |
| 15:36.57 | Kazie | Okay thank you :) |
| 15:37.45 | alestane | Notes, yes. |
| 15:38.38 | Kazie | That's really awesome guys.. thank you :) it works. |
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| 16:11.18 | cog|away | you might be a redneck if you think Christian Dior is a TV evangelist |
| 16:11.29 | Trela | Who? |
| 16:12.19 | Lopeppeppy | You might be a redneck if you think all christmas trees are made of shiny blue metal. |
| 16:14.14 | zenzelezz | o_O |
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| 16:19.17 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 16:22.28 | zenzelezz | leaves a snowy pine tree in Lopeppeppy's livingroom |
| 16:29.15 | Shirik | pokes Lopeppeppy |
| 16:30.02 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik. |
| 16:30.10 | Shirik | no |
| 16:30.27 | Shirik | well, no in the sense that I assume the implied "good" before that |
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| 16:32.18 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, do not read into my words, young padawan. Very few mornings are "good" in any way. |
| 16:32.40 | zenzelezz | then you're doing it wrong |
| 16:32.50 | zenzelezz | (or your partner is) |
| 16:33.13 | Shirik | I wish I had a popcicle |
| 16:33.23 | Shirik | and I think taking tylenol PM in the monring was a bad idea |
| 16:33.49 | Lopeppeppy | Sweetie... suck on some ice cubes. |
| 16:33.55 | Shirik | I'm at school |
| 16:33.57 | Lopeppeppy | And yes, take a nap. Tylenol PM is for sleeeeepies. |
| 16:34.05 | Lopeppeppy | Sweetie, drink a lot more water. |
| 16:34.15 | Lopeppeppy | And go home as soon as you can, poor thing. |
| 16:35.00 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPQmzCgb1gI |
| 16:36.02 | Lopeppeppy | She went to bed, Shirik. Sleepytimes for her too. :P |
| 16:36.12 | Shirik | she was supposed to be in bed 12 hours ago |
| 16:36.16 | Shirik | she is very bad |
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| 16:38.24 | Lopeppeppy | You knew that. |
| 16:39.15 | Shirik | yes I did, that's why I said it |
| 16:43.21 | Shadowed | victory |
| 16:43.26 | Shadowed | "Hey, I'm going to give up that memory is a performance reducer, it just can't be defended in a discussion." |
| 16:43.44 | Shadowed | "You're right, memory is not a profiling stat and with the next update of my UI I'll put the memory picture on the second place instead of the first." semi victory |
| 16:44.01 | Shadowed | from nightcracker |
| 16:44.22 | Audible | Wow, a guy did all achievements |
| 16:45.11 | Audible | http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/player-gets-all-achievements-shadowed-unit-frames |
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| 16:46.52 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:47.50 | olafski | really? ;) |
| 16:48.14 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 16:48.22 | Lunessa | ya rly |
| 16:52.35 | cog|work | hai2u |
| 16:52.46 | zenzelezz | lies |
| 16:52.52 | cog|work | for anyone who wasn't around last night: http://cheezburger.com/View.aspx?aid=2911924736 |
| 16:52.54 | Lopeppeppy | flies |
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| 16:53.40 | Lunessa | cog|work: lawl |
| 16:56.57 | cog|work | and yes, that's from my linkedin account >< |
| 16:57.44 | Lunessa | LinkedIn - just one more social network I'm avoiding, despite getting volume invites. |
| 16:58.15 | cog|work | i don't really see it as a social network in the same vein as facebook, etc. |
| 16:59.30 | cog|work | it's basically a glorified resume posting site with "connections" |
| 17:03.28 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much, cog. |
| 17:03.36 | Lopeppeppy | Like Monster.com with a bit of networking tossed in. |
| 17:03.56 | cog|work | So, i posted my resume on a couple sites recently. The objective is "To focus my career on software development and enter the game industry." WTF is this person thinking by sending me an offer to join a Farmers Insurance sales team??!! |
| 17:04.44 | Lopeppeppy | spam is spammy, dear. |
| 17:05.54 | Kazie | Can anyone help me with this LuaText(pitbull4) http://paste.wowace.com/1474/ ? I'm getting the following message: Power caused the following error: |
| 17:05.54 | Kazie | bad argument #6 to 'SetFormattedText' (string expected, got nil) |
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| 17:08.35 | Kazie | Oh nevermind.. i used the wrong script for the wrong unitframe.. doh.. I gotta save my scripts a little more systematic :D |
| 17:09.23 | cog|work | I responded |
| 17:09.26 | cog|work | Thanks for the interest, but I have to wonder what part of my objective, "To focus my career on software development," or my work experience got your attention. I certainly wouldn't want to work for a company whose policy is to mindlessly spam potential commission-earning recruits. |
| 17:10.13 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 17:11.39 | Kraps | heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyg |
| 17:12.43 | Kraps | ggggggggggggggggg |
| 17:12.59 | cog|work | throws dice for Kraps |
| 17:13.44 | Kraps | i herd they're loaded |
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| 17:18.12 | Kraps | i just figured out that "llc" is "LLC", someone needs a better caps lock key |
| 17:18.44 | nevcairiel | I dont think i've ever used caps lock |
| 17:19.29 | zenzelezz | that... is why you fail |
| 17:19.41 | Lunessa | Kraps: Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. |
| 17:20.06 | nevcairiel | honestly, what would you use caps lock for |
| 17:21.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: ... i dunno, drunk is a pretty good way to go through life. |
| 17:21.10 | zenzelezz | I find it particularly useful if I'm changing a lot of initial letters or similar; where shift+down-arrow would not be the same as just down-arrow |
| 17:21.51 | Lopeppeppy | very short life, NHTS, no liver |
| 17:22.43 | Kraps | Lunessa: idk, the obesity epidemic begs to differ |
| 17:23.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: maybe, but you'll be plastred the entire time, so who cares? :P |
| 17:23.38 | Lunessa | Kraps: I'm fat, so what the hell do I know? |
| 17:23.53 | Kraps | :D |
| 17:23.59 | cog|work | apologizes on behalf of his mother-in-law |
| 17:24.28 | Lopeppeppy | mrph? |
| 17:24.34 | Lunessa | cog|work: She made me laugh, and at least she waited until I was not present to start with the fatty coments. :P |
| 17:25.47 | cog|work | I think she was traumatized, or at least in a daze, from the act of traveling... I don't think she's ever been so far from CA |
| 17:26.24 | Lunessa | And she had 2 drinks for every one the rest of us had. |
| 17:26.25 | cog|work | actually, from where Julie and I were sitting, we thought she hadn't waited 'till you were gone :P |
| 17:26.42 | Lopeppeppy | was he at least out of earshot? |
| 17:26.43 | Lunessa | cog|work: At least she was trying to be funny. |
| 17:26.48 | cog|work | She kept pointing out that ... one guy every chance she could >< |
| 17:26.50 | Kraps | its a nice day in ny, and i think the steam is on /sigh |
| 17:27.12 | Lopeppeppy | Same here, Kraps... yesterday they had the AC on, and it was cold... |
| 17:27.14 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:27.24 | cog|work | slaps Fisker around with a Lunessa |
| 17:28.44 | cog|work | it's cold outside, there's no kind of atmosphere |
| 17:28.49 | Kraps | hands Fisker a chillaxative |
| 17:29.04 | Fisker | i hope you die Kraps |
| 17:29.23 | Kraps | oh i will |
| 17:30.03 | cog|work | THAT A THREAT???!! |
| 17:30.10 | cog|work | 'cause i'll die too! |
| 17:30.20 | cog|work | if you wanna go there D:< |
| 17:30.36 | cog|work | puts up his dukes |
| 17:30.50 | Kraps | wanna take this outside, FRIEND? |
| 17:30.59 | cog|work | I'm not your FRIEND, GUY |
| 17:31.30 | Kraps | I'M NOT YOUR GUY, DUDE |
| 17:31.36 | cog|work | i'd not your dude, buddy! |
| 17:31.46 | cog|work | s/d/m/ |
| 17:32.24 | Kraps | where is this from anyway? i only know it from the wow forum |
| 17:32.24 | cog|work | segue... Why do some people get so pissed about being called "dude"? |
| 17:32.27 | cog|work | south park |
| 17:33.14 | cog|work | http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/165191 |
| 17:33.18 | Lunessa | Dude, wait, what? |
| 17:35.10 | cog|work | must be some old foagie thing, but I've seen on forums people say something like "Dude, that's not what I meant" and they get all pissy about being called "dude" |
| 17:35.56 | Lopeppeppy | Slacker speak is annoying. I hate it. |
| 17:36.13 | Lopeppeppy | You can just say, "I didn't mean that", without having to be all Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles/Bill and Ted about it. |
| 17:36.32 | cog|work | see that's what i mean... |
| 17:36.51 | cog|work | I've NEVER seen the word "dude" in that context because it's always been so ubiquitous |
| 17:36.54 | cog|work | at least around here |
| 17:36.57 | cog|work | must be a california thing |
| 17:37.00 | zenzelezz | use "son" instead of "dude" |
| 17:37.09 | zenzelezz | that'll really piss them off |
| 17:38.01 | Kraps | cog|work: yeah, cali is the dude area, as far as my east coast knowledge knows |
| 17:38.11 | cog|work | that i can understand since "son" connotes inferiority... But i've always seen "dude" as "buddy", "friend", "hey", "waitaminit", etc. |
| 17:38.31 | Lopeppeppy | try inserting "dearie" or "dickhead" to see the effect it has on others. Patronizing or inflammatory. |
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| 17:41.03 | Kraps | cog|work: i think "dude" is only usable on people you are close with, according to most people |
| 17:41.36 | cog|work | well, i'm willing to accept that I've been living in a bubble... |
| 17:41.47 | Cidan | I use dude all the time with people I don't know, dude |
| 17:42.00 | cog|work | but i still think there needs to be some rectal stick removal |
| 17:43.03 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11824302462&postId=118231584694&sid=1#1 <-hoho |
| 17:43.03 | Lopeppeppy | on both sides. *grin* I tend to let it go occasionally, but if you "duded" me a lot, I'd ask you to quit it. My eastern culture finds it offensive. |
| 17:43.16 | Kraps | like cog said, its mostly a california thing |
| 17:43.36 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, Fisker, the language that Coma used! Wheee! |
| 17:43.37 | Cidan | Are we really arguing if it's okay to call people dude? |
| 17:43.39 | theorbtwo | Huh. Could have sworn I saw pictures and you looked pretty damn white, dearie. |
| 17:43.43 | Lunessa | Dude, all I want is to write more Rock & Roll hits than anyone else in history! |
| 17:43.43 | Kraps | and peppy just made my point |
| 17:44.15 | cog|work | fuck culture imo. people shouldn't be offended by words until they're certain of the intended meaning behind them. |
| 17:44.25 | cog|work | s/until/until or unless/ |
| 17:44.42 | theorbtwo | is now going to insert one of these diminutive addresses in any sentence where they make even the slightest sense. |
| 17:44.48 | Lopeppeppy | People shouldn't assume their words carry the meaning they intend, either. It stinks from both sides, Cog. Communication is a two way street. |
| 17:45.26 | Fisker | just like boner street lol |
| 17:45.26 | cog|work | right. but the person using teh words in the way they intend has no control over how the person their communicating with will react (at least not without prior knowledge) |
| 17:45.39 | theorbtwo | And the lack of tone-of-voice on the internet doesn't help at all, of course. |
| 17:45.44 | cog|work | so being offended right off the bat is the real barrier to communication |
| 17:46.23 | Lopeppeppy | But knowing in advance that slang has a tendency not to carry well can help everyone be more clear and less offensive. |
| 17:46.46 | cog|work | I extracted myself from a discussion once because someone was so stuck on their interpretation of my words that even when I clarified what I meant by them, they said I was lying |
| 17:46.52 | jnwhiteh | I don't use slang when in a country that doesn't speak my native language. |
| 17:46.58 | jnwhiteh | for just that reason, Lopeppeppy |
| 17:47.05 | jnwhiteh | It would have been really really bad in Rio =) |
| 17:47.10 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly! |
| 17:47.21 | Kraps | its kinda like sarcasm on the net |
| 17:47.27 | Cidan | Kraps: <3 |
| 17:47.34 | cog|work | well yeah, but i'm specifically talking about people who *do* speak the same language :P |
| 17:47.35 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: what's sarcasm? |
| 17:47.37 | Lopeppeppy | I also tend to remember that slang changes from state to state too, some of the things I learned in MA just do not compute here in new york. |
| 17:47.41 | jnwhiteh | I don't understand what you're saying |
| 17:47.51 | cog|work | I remember having to keep myself from saying "cool" in France ;) |
| 17:47.59 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:48.03 | Fisker | you never told me jnwhiteh |
| 17:48.10 | Fisker | why would you root a droid? |
| 17:48.20 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: So, it must suck to be in a country where they speak almost the same language then |
| 17:48.23 | Cidan | Fisker: So you can install custom software on it |
| 17:48.42 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: noob, you dont know what sarcasm is lololololololol |
| 17:48.56 | cog|work | goes to England wearing shorts and suspenders. |
| 17:48.58 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: what is a 'noob'. |
| 17:49.04 | jnwhiteh | Why can't you speak real-people-speak. |
| 17:49.15 | Kraps | aw man you ruined it |
| 17:51.05 | theorbtwo | grins, and wonders if cog|work knows what suspenders are in England. |
| 17:51.43 | Cidan | grins, and wonders who doesn't know what they are in england |
| 17:51.46 | Lopeppeppy | bangers! |
| 17:51.55 | cog|work | theorbtwo: that comment was in direct response to Lunessa's above it ;) |
| 17:51.58 | Kraps | hmmwat |
| 17:52.02 | alestane | Braces. |
| 17:52.16 | cog|work | "Ohhh so THAT'S where me braces went" |
| 17:52.18 | Fisker | why would i install custom software on it Cidan ? |
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| 17:52.39 | theorbtwo | Huh. I didn't know what suspenders were here until I moved here. Now, pants, that I knew. |
| 17:52.46 | Lunessa | cog|work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hJQsvoY6VU |
| 17:53.48 | Kraps | stupid brits, changing english |
| 17:53.56 | Kraps | <_< |
| 17:53.57 | cog|work | "because there's a fucking H in it" |
| 17:54.55 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 17:55.01 | Lunessa | Haha. <3 Eddie Izzard |
| 17:56.42 | Cidan | Lunessa: You're in Texas, right? |
| 17:57.05 | cog|work | Oui |
| 17:57.36 | Lunessa | Cidan: Si. |
| 17:58.00 | Cidan | What part? |
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| 17:58.10 | Lunessa | Gulf Coast. Houston. |
| 17:58.43 | Cidan | Neat; I'm going to be around there early next year, was just curious. |
| 17:58.49 | Cidan | Girlfriend and I are going out to see family |
| 17:59.23 | Lunessa | If you're going to be in town, we'll grab beers or something. |
| 17:59.29 | Cidan | \o/ |
| 17:59.46 | cog|work | is true! i has evidence! |
| 18:00.25 | Lunessa | And Kehma has been all rebuilt since Ike. |
| 18:01.39 | Fisker | so i wonder how google's dns makes the web faster |
| 18:01.40 | Fisker | :o |
| 18:01.52 | cog|work | aw man... that happened later in the year we visited, huh? |
| 18:02.49 | Lunessa | Oct/Nov 2008. |
| 18:03.40 | Lunessa | It was totally trashed by storm surge. |
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| 18:06.49 | Lunessa | Heh, Cidan Should take you to Freebird's for burritos. Plan not to eat anything else all day. |
| 18:07.31 | Cidan | lol |
| 18:07.47 | Cidan | That's awesome. |
| 18:11.53 | alestane | Are they very large burritos? |
| 18:15.22 | Lopeppeppy | *sings* "I have a burro, and a burrito, and thus I have yet, my twenty pennies..." |
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| 18:38.14 | Lunessa | alestane: The have 4 sizes, regular, large, 1/2 monster and Monster. |
| 18:39.06 | Lunessa | The first time I went there, I was conned into ordering the Monster. It took me three meals to eat it. |
| 18:40.53 | alestane | And are they worth eating for three meals? |
| 18:41.04 | Lunessa | Oh yes. SO. GOOD. |
| 18:41.27 | Seerah | http://www.kookycanuck.com/kookamonga-challenge/ (This restaurant used to be called Big Foot Lodge, and this was the Big Foot burger - not a big fan on the recent name changes...) |
| 18:41.37 | alestane | Full of rice and salsa and meat and guacamole? |
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| 18:41.50 | _rane | hey, how do I target friendly target's pet? |
| 18:42.02 | Lunessa | http://www.freebirds.com/ |
| 18:42.05 | _rane | using a macro or an equivalent |
| 18:42.16 | Lunessa | _rane: party or raid? |
| 18:42.24 | Seerah | _rane: /target [help] targetpet (?) |
| 18:42.44 | Lunessa | you can use [target=party#pet] too. |
| 18:42.44 | alestane | tragetpet is not a unit token. |
| 18:42.55 | alestane | and it's partypet1, etc. |
| 18:43.17 | Lunessa | I thought it was party1pet, but bow to alestane. |
| 18:43.40 | _rane | well, basically I just want to target certain player's pet regardless of its name |
| 18:43.49 | _rane | name of that player is always the same |
| 18:44.12 | Lunessa | can only use the name if they're in your party or raid. |
| 18:48.13 | _rane | they are |
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| 18:49.16 | Lunessa | then you can [target=playername-pet] in a macro. It'll do nothing though if they're not in your party or raid. |
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| 18:49.49 | Lunessa | If the pet name stays the same, I believe you could use the pet's name. |
| 18:51.42 | _rane | very nice |
| 18:51.42 | _rane | thanks |
| 18:51.45 | _rane | that works |
| 18:51.50 | alestane | I'm not sure playername-pet works as a reliable unit suffix, but worht a try. |
| 18:52.32 | cog|work | http://cheezburger.com/View.aspx?aid=2913811456 |
| 18:53.05 | Shirik | huggles Seerah and Lopeppeppy and Cairenn|afk and Lunessa |
| 18:53.09 | Lunessa | cog|work: Only if the "rites" are performed in public. |
| 18:53.12 | cog|work | FU shirik! |
| 18:53.20 | Seerah | huggles Shirik |
| 18:53.30 | Seerah | huggles cog|work |
| 18:53.30 | Lunessa | huggles Shirik, and offers him eggnog. |
| 18:53.38 | Shirik | egg nog is a bad idea |
| 18:53.38 | cog|work | U HAS EGGNOG?!??! |
| 18:53.55 | Lunessa | no, jus' foolin' |
| 18:53.59 | Seerah | mmmm..... eggnog |
| 18:54.04 | Seerah | I have some in the fridge |
| 18:54.15 | kdtresh | eggnog has an unfortunate amount of calories in it >< |
| 18:54.36 | Seerah | cog|work: maybe that headline was supposed to mean "rites of marriage"? |
| 18:54.52 | Lunessa | Look, I understand too little too late. I realize there are things you say and do you can never take back. But what would you be if you didn't even try? You have to try. So after a lot of thought, I'd like to reconsider. Please, If it's not too late, make it a cheeseburger. |
| 18:54.55 | cog|work | exactly. the person who said it was FAIL was FAIL |
| 18:55.15 | Seerah | ohhhhhh |
| 18:55.51 | Seerah | I get it! it's a screenshot of their fail and you turned that into a fail :) |
| 18:55.56 | Seerah | downs more caffeine |
| 18:56.43 | Lopeppeppy | Cog, that's my local newspaper. I'm totally ashamed. It was a wordplay for "rights" and "marriage", and everyone is smashing on it. |
| 18:57.05 | cog|work | I loved it. Wonderful pun, imo |
| 18:59.01 | Dagmar | I think we need to ban heterosexual marriage |
| 18:59.10 | KarlKFI|work | shut up Dagmar |
| 18:59.13 | Dagmar | 50% of the time it leads to divorce. |
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| 18:59.40 | Dagmar | Clearly, these people are deviants who do not take this bond seriously. |
| 18:59.47 | cog|work | or just ban divorce |
| 18:59.51 | cog|work | that'll solve teh problem |
| 18:59.53 | Dagmar | Lord only knows what happens to their children |
| 18:59.54 | cog|work | and truly protect marriage |
| 18:59.55 | kdtresh | or bring back beheadings |
| 19:00.20 | zenzelezz | I'm amused any time someone's spamming "LFM for ... link achive", and someone points out "you don't have the achievement mate" |
| 19:00.45 | KarlKFI|work | cog|work: how about if you get divorced instead of splitting the property/fund you have to give it all to the state |
| 19:01.16 | kdtresh | there would be a lot of "married" people living in separate bedrooms at opposite ends of the house |
| 19:01.19 | KarlKFI|work | so it's nto illegal, just really painful |
| 19:01.22 | Dagmar | Either way I'm pretty damn tired of hearing all the idiots babble to the press about why they think gay marriage is wrong |
| 19:01.32 | cog|work | ^ |
| 19:01.34 | Dagmar | If they think gay marriages are wrong, then THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE ONE |
| 19:02.12 | KarlKFI|work | you'd liek to give up all claim on control over your environment, Dagmar? |
| 19:02.30 | Lunessa | I'm convinced we have the whole marriage thing backwards. We make it really easy to get married and really hard to get divorced. We shod reverse those. |
| 19:02.59 | Lunessa | should even. |
| 19:03.02 | KarlKFI|work | it's nto really that hard to get divorced, btu harder than marrage i spose |
| 19:03.29 | Lunessa | Divorce should be as simple as "I'm outta here" or "GTFO!" |
| 19:03.31 | alestane | Talk to Peppy about how hard it is. |
| 19:03.58 | alestane | Or better yet, don't. |
| 19:03.59 | Lunessa | Marriage on the other hand should have all the crap attendant at the beginning that we do for divorce. |
| 19:04.11 | KarlKFI|work | prenub |
| 19:04.19 | KarlKFI|work | that's what they're for |
| 19:04.37 | Lunessa | Property, Children, all that should be all figured out and stamped, filed, etc. first. |
| 19:04.53 | KarlKFI|work | i get the first child, you get the second |
| 19:04.57 | Lunessa | And you should have a waiting period - like many states do for a divorce. |
| 19:05.05 | alestane | Later peeps. |
| 19:05.20 | cog|work | Lunessa: Las Vegas called. they want your head ;) |
| 19:05.21 | KarlKFI|work | he REALLY didn't liek this topic |
| 19:05.21 | Lunessa | And you should go to all these counseling sessions where they try to convince you NOT to get married. |
| 19:05.48 | Seerah | cog|work: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091201/ap_on_re_us/us_banning_divorce_5 |
| 19:06.06 | KarlKFI|work | Warning: What you're about to do is illogical and insane. Turn back now. |
| 19:06.17 | cog|work | Seerah: yep. not my original idea. |
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| 19:06.32 | Seerah | :) |
| 19:06.33 | Dagmar | KarlKFI|work: Exactly what makes you think I would "liek to give up all claim on control over your environment"? |
| 19:07.03 | KarlKFI|work | who said i thought that? |
| 19:07.11 | Dagmar | YOU said it |
| 19:07.16 | KarlKFI|work | i asked a question |
| 19:07.40 | Ginji | I have nothing sensible to say about marriage |
| 19:07.40 | Dagmar | <KarlKFI|work> you'd liek to give up all claim on control over your environment, Dagmar? |
| 19:08.02 | KarlKFI|work | thank you for repeating my unanswered question. |
| 19:08.23 | Dagmar | Why the hell would I do that? |
| 19:08.28 | cog|work | pokes... |
| 19:08.40 | KarlKFI|work | you tell me? |
| 19:08.45 | cog|work | who's on first? |
| 19:08.52 | Seerah | Who |
| 19:08.55 | KarlKFI|work | that's correct |
| 19:08.57 | Dagmar | Git back on the short bus then |
| 19:09.21 | Seerah | just because I'm a gnome doesn't mean I have to be on the short bus :( |
| 19:09.34 | Lunessa | However, despite my comments above, I'm all in favor of marriage. For anyone who wants one. Unless it's to a child, video game character, inanimate object, dead person, or any animal. |
| 19:09.55 | Ginji | What about myself? |
| 19:10.02 | Ginji | Cause it would be win-win then |
| 19:10.02 | Dagmar | Seerah: The tram's a loooon walk otherwise |
| 19:10.10 | Dagmar | s/oooon/ooong/; |
| 19:10.17 | Ginji | All the benefits and none of the bad things |
| 19:10.36 | Thunder_Child | soooo...someone in raid called us cheaters because we use dbm... |
| 19:10.37 | Seerah | nah, I don't need the tram - I have the fp |
| 19:10.56 | cog|work | Thunder_Cheater: damn straight! |
| 19:10.57 | Ginji | TC: Hardcore players don't use boss mods |
| 19:10.58 | Lunessa | Need more leveling instances tonight. :) |
| 19:11.12 | Thunder_Child | more amusing because this person died on deap breath |
| 19:11.17 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:11.28 | Thunder_Child | he left on his own |
| 19:11.32 | Dagmar | Clearly, he's one of those purist jackasses |
| 19:11.53 | Dagmar | "I hoep that ther will b no addon 2 this game so no1 has an unfair advantg" |
| 19:12.13 | Ginji | But what about bejeweled then? |
| 19:12.44 | Ginji | What will I do when I die? |
| 19:12.47 | Dagmar | It's considered good form to not let on that you're playing it during raids |
| 19:12.54 | cog|work | Ginji: that gives you an advantage by keeping your mind active during downime |
| 19:13.00 | cog|work | downime = downtime |
| 19:13.20 | cog|work | so you're better prepared to get into the fray :P |
| 19:13.24 | Dagmar | Seriously there were people starting that idiotic thread on the Champions Online forum |
| 19:13.31 | Ginji | During raids I just tell my char to follow some other melee |
| 19:13.36 | Ginji | Usually works out fine |
| 19:14.33 | Ginji | hmmm I wonder if this still works |
| 19:14.34 | Ginji | sh: dcop: command not found |
| 19:14.34 | Ginji | sh: dcop: command not found |
| 19:14.35 | Ginji | [amarok] // // () |
| 19:14.35 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+bb %*!*@cc1040670-a.gorre1.fr.home.nl %*!n=Ginji@*] by Shiibot |
| 19:14.47 | kd3 | I'll take that as a no |
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| 19:15.15 | Dagmar | "I pull out a remote control and use an ORBITAL DEATH LASER to kill everyone who isn't a master villian. What was this about 'unfair advantage' you're goin' on about mate?" |
| 19:15.22 | cog|work | hugs the silent Ginji |
| 19:15.33 | cog|work | happens to the best of us :P |
| 19:15.42 | cog|work | pokes Shirik |
| 19:15.48 | Seerah | -bb %*!*@cc1040670-a.gorre1.fr.home.nl %*!n=Ginji@* |
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| 19:15.51 | Dagmar | cog|work: Puhlease. No it doesn't. |
| 19:15.59 | Seerah | what did I do wrong? :p |
| 19:16.08 | zenzelezz | you left out /mode #wowuidev |
| 19:16.12 | Seerah | oh yeah! :p |
| 19:16.17 | Seerah | downs more caffeine still |
| 19:16.24 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-bb %*!*@cc1040670-a.gorre1.fr.home.nl %*!n=Ginji@*] by Seerah |
| 19:16.28 | cog|work | Dagmar: was talking about Ginji's self-ban :P happened to me yesterday |
| 19:16.37 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 19:16.41 | Dagmar | I still say no it doesn't. |
| 19:16.44 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 19:16.46 | nevcairiel | don't repeat one line 4 times :p |
| 19:16.52 | Seerah | 3 |
| 19:16.54 | Seerah | I though |
| 19:16.55 | Seerah | *t |
| 19:17.01 | cog|work | yeah was 3 for me |
| 19:17.01 | Seerah | unless Shirik changed it |
| 19:17.09 | nevcairiel | well he was 4, i was going by that :) |
| 19:17.12 | Seerah | Ginji did get in 4 though |
| 19:17.24 | cog|work | Shiibot lagged imo |
| 19:17.29 | Dagmar | He had extra fail because he called /exec -o without doing /exec first to see that it would look like |
| 19:18.28 | cog|work | fun fun fun in the sun sun sun |
| 19:18.48 | Shirik | What is wrong with you guys, seriously |
| 19:18.56 | Shirik | I didn't expect to get this many false positives when I made the routine |
| 19:19.26 | Dagmar | THey have paster control issues |
| 19:22.07 | Ginji | hehe well that was fun |
| 19:22.21 | Ginji | Dagmar: no, this was a stored command in xchat |
| 19:22.32 | Ginji | which I made during kde 3.5 |
| 19:22.47 | Dagmar | It was a stored command that ran `dcop` four times in a subshell without checking the exit status? |
| 19:22.47 | Ginji | But I guess dcop is out in kde 4 |
| 19:22.54 | Dagmar | dude, beat that coder |
| 19:23.06 | Dagmar | Beat him to death. |
| 19:23.15 | Ginji | <--- |
| 19:23.38 | Dagmar | Right, so in review, we DON'T call external programs without looking at their exit status or FAIL may result. |
| 19:23.58 | Ginji | I can't find the interface for the command editor anywhere! |
| 19:24.00 | Dagmar | Considering how easy it is to do by side effect in perl.... shame on you. </mock seriousness> |
| 19:24.11 | KarlKFI|work | Dagmar, stop being rude. I suggest you learn some discretion before you offend everyone in the channel. |
| 19:24.12 | Ginji | oh found it |
| 19:24.28 | Ginji | exec -o echo "[amarok] `dcop amarok player artist` // `dcop amarok player album` // `dcop amarok player title` (`dcop amarok player totalTime`)" |
| 19:24.36 | Ginji | hehe |
| 19:24.45 | Dagmar | Wow. OKay. |
| 19:24.53 | Lunessa | KarlKFI|work: I think it's too late for that. He's managed to piss off everyone more than once. Hell, more often than Fisker. |
| 19:25.16 | Ginji | It's going to take more then that to piss me off, I can't remember the last time I was really pissed off |
| 19:25.23 | Ginji | Annoyed, yes, but pissed |
| 19:25.38 | Lunessa | needs vodka. |
| 19:25.46 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/wind_turbine.jpg |
| 19:25.46 | Ginji | I have the redbull! |
| 19:25.58 | Dagmar | Ginji is reasonable, which is why I'm sitting here trying to think of osme way to refactor that so that it is just silent on error |
| 19:26.23 | Ginji | No need, since dcop is gone |
| 19:26.28 | Ginji | So that would be wasted effort |
| 19:26.50 | Ginji | Or did you miss the 3 lines telling you dcop was missing |
| 19:26.59 | Ginji | Bazinga |
| 19:27.29 | Thunder_Child | can you regen 120% mana? |
| 19:27.47 | Dagmar | Oh I didn't miss 'em |
| 19:27.48 | tem|afk | no |
| 19:27.49 | Ginji | spirit priests! |
| 19:27.52 | Kaso | mikma thats pretty cool, broken breaks and strong winds i guess? |
| 19:27.53 | cog|work | mikma: meltdown? |
| 19:27.55 | tem|afk | it's capped at 100% |
| 19:28.13 | Thunder_Child | bah!, thanks tem|afk |
| 19:28.20 | Ginji | mikma: that is indeed awesome |
| 19:29.24 | Ginji | off to windows for some AoE3 |
| 19:29.37 | Dagmar | There's still gotta be a compact way of calling a shell utility without spewing noise on error... although I'm irked that simply appending 2>/dev/null is the only thing I can think of at the moment |
| 19:29.50 | Ginji | that might work |
| 19:31.40 | ccox | new SPAM: started with French for "localize this string" in the subject.... |
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| 19:38.28 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/12/03/funny-pictures-video-kitteh-slide/ |
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| 19:40.02 | cog|work | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b84_1259716791 |
| 19:42.53 | Kraps | whats the point of remixing dance beats into down-tempo songs? |
| 19:43.23 | zenzelezz | so you can still dance to them when you're 80 and reliving your youth |
| 19:43.51 | Kraps | zenzelezz: but they're not dance songs |
| 19:44.18 | Kraps | sometimes they're the exact opposite mood |
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| 19:45.01 | Kraps | exhibit A: kelly clarkson's "already gone" |
| 19:45.12 | zenzelezz | you were the one who called it a dance beat |
| 19:46.24 | Kraps | zenzelezz: i'm saying that dj's add dance beats to them, even when they are slow songs |
| 19:46.40 | zenzelezz | oh, that direction |
| 19:46.50 | zenzelezz | I thought you meant slowing down dance songs |
| 19:48.24 | Kraps | right |
| 19:49.56 | Dagmar | They add a beat because of the number of people who have NO rhythm |
| 19:50.18 | Dagmar | It makes it harder for them to miss it |
| 19:50.48 | Dagmar | ...and if someone wants to be a little punk and dispute that, spend seven+ years on turntables and THEN complain |
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| 19:59.29 | Kraps | Dagmar: take a song like "my heart will go on". some people add a fast dance beat to it. my question is "why", its not a danceble song, thats not what it was made for |
| 19:59.48 | Dagmar | I'm not kidding about the ryhthmless nation |
| 20:00.01 | Dagmar | These people can't dance, but want to feel like they could if they tried |
| 20:00.14 | Dagmar | ...so it basically doesn't matter how poorly chosen the music is. |
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| 20:00.41 | KarlKFI|work | Kraps: because they want to dance to somethign familiar |
| 20:01.19 | KarlKFI|work | most people say "oo, i like this song, i'm gonna go dance" |
| 20:01.50 | Kraps | soundtrack dissonance at it finest? |
| 20:01.53 | Dagmar | If the beat is so obvious they can't miss it, they'll all kind of wobble back and forth to the beat equally |
| 20:02.09 | Dagmar | Doesn't matter how bad the result is for actual dancing, because they can't dance anyway |
| 20:02.35 | KarlKFI|work | it doesn't matter if it's a good mix or not, it just needs to be easily recognizable and not jarring |
| 20:03.07 | airtonix | que 'sesame street theme song' |
| 20:03.32 | Dagmar | Now wait, that was dancable, but only because of the edit that was done |
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| 20:05.12 | Dagmar | Can't really tell because YouTube's being slow but is this the version you're talking about? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_fXDfZR-4U |
| 20:06.33 | airtonix | wow thats bad beat mixing |
| 20:07.00 | airtonix | i regret opening that link |
| 20:07.04 | Dagmar | By the name of it that's actually just the video for the 12" they released |
| 20:07.14 | Kraps | KarlKFI|work: ah, but imo it is jarring because it ruins the whole mood/theme/emotion of the song |
| 20:07.35 | Kraps | but of course, YMMV |
| 20:07.38 | KarlKFI|work | that's not the meaning of jarring |
| 20:07.50 | KarlKFI|work | use a better word :P |
| 20:07.52 | airtonix | i was infact just talking about the original theme song used on the tv show |
| 20:08.07 | Dagmar | The E-Street track was pretty much a complete redo of the song--no longer anything remotely resembling the original--but I've heard enough "track plus beat added" to know what he's talking about |
| 20:08.43 | Dagmar | I've gotten some pop DJs really pissed about that |
| 20:08.44 | Kraps | KarlKFI|work: but you get what i'm saying? :P |
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| 20:09.04 | KarlKFI|work | jarring doesn't have to do with mood. |
| 20:09.12 | Dagmar | "When are you going to play some techno?" "WHat do you mean I'm playing techno now" "No, I mean when are you going to play some good techno?" |
| 20:09.21 | KarlKFI|work | jarring has to do with phrasing and transitions |
| 20:09.52 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. google dns... |
| 20:09.54 | Dagmar | ...and the lack of grace among them |
| 20:10.12 | airtonix | pushbutton tone deaf dj |
| 20:10.32 | Kraps | the jarring part is the mere fact that there is a dance beat :P |
| 20:10.33 | KarlKFI|work | aye, sometimes has to do with key changes |
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| 20:10.47 | KarlKFI|work | if done well the beat isn't jarring :P |
| 20:10.50 | KarlKFI|work | it's rythmic |
| 20:10.54 | NightHawkTheSane | feh, you can put a dance beat to anything if you're good. |
| 20:11.08 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: See also "Gyoto Monks" |
| 20:11.20 | Dagmar | ...and I'd suggest not trying that to readings of the Torah. |
| 20:11.23 | Dagmar | Arabs get ANGRY |
| 20:11.43 | Dagmar | Paterson almost got roflstomped at a show once |
| 20:12.17 | Dagmar | I can't say I'd have passed up working in a album like that if I'd not known what it was either |
| 20:14.13 | Kraps | torah is the hebrew term P |
| 20:14.43 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* same book. |
| 20:15.18 | Dagmar | Either way, when someone's read it out and recorded it onto vinyl, and then you mix it into a dance set and start chopping it up and backspinning it, apparently it's a rather terrible form of blasphemy. :) |
| 20:15.23 | NightHawkTheSane | really does not want to dig through his coworkers shitty javascript to fix a stupid bug |
| 20:15.26 | Dagmar | Who knew! |
| 20:15.37 | olafski | yay got all the rare spawn raptors :D |
| 20:15.39 | Kraps | Dagmar: well yeah |
| 20:15.58 | Dagmar | That was back in like '96 I think |
| 20:16.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: sounds like a rather awesome form of music, imo. :P |
| 20:16.07 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: It was The Orb |
| 20:16.12 | Dagmar | A live set. |
| 20:16.35 | Dagmar | He heard frantic hollering over the wireless kit that he needed to stop the record |
| 20:16.51 | Dagmar | It was the stage manager, being pressed up against the wall by three arab guys who were not happy. Hehe |
| 20:17.29 | Dagmar | Like whoops... You can mix in people's private cellular calls, but a little bit of blasphemy and some people lose all sense of humor |
| 20:17.44 | Kraps | what were the lyrics? |
| 20:17.54 | Dagmar | The Torah |
| 20:18.04 | Kraps | what lines? |
| 20:18.09 | Dagmar | I've no idea |
| 20:18.24 | Dagmar | They took the record afterwards so even Paterson doesn't know |
| 20:18.52 | Dagmar | The whole "chopping it up" and "playing parts of it backwards" tho... I can see how that might upset them a little |
| 20:19.02 | amro | the torah is in hebrew |
| 20:19.26 | Kraps | ^ |
| 20:19.41 | Thunder_Child | and thats a problem why? |
| 20:19.41 | Dagmar | Talmud then? |
| 20:19.49 | Kraps | aramaic |
| 20:20.04 | Dagmar | Either way it was "some arabic sounding stuff" to most people |
| 20:20.29 | Kraps | koran |
| 20:20.49 | Kraps | muslim version of the bible |
| 20:21.22 | airtonix | lol |
| 20:22.47 | airtonix | next topic : secure frames |
| 20:23.36 | Kraps | also the talmud a jewish thing |
| 20:23.43 | Kraps | sorry airtonix |
| 20:23.45 | airtonix | no |
| 20:23.54 | airtonix | the talmud is diometrically opposed to the torah |
| 20:24.16 | airtonix | reason why non jews get all arked up about it is because it iincites violence against non jews |
| 20:24.40 | airtonix | you won't find many orthodox jews who wil lsay nice things about the talmud |
| 20:24.58 | Cidan | Annnd this is a topic that should be avoided. |
| 20:25.02 | airtonix | which is probably why you had these 'three arabs throttling this pastor' |
| 20:25.28 | airtonix | Cidan, why? because all things mystically jewish should be avoided by non-jews? |
| 20:25.49 | amro | because the mossad is going to hunt our asses down. |
| 20:25.51 | amro | hides |
| 20:25.56 | Dagmar | THey can do it too |
| 20:25.57 | airtonix | get it right or don;t talk about it at all |
| 20:26.09 | Cidan | Because of how you just replied; this is why this topic shouldn't be discussed. |
| 20:26.24 | airtonix | ... |
| 20:26.30 | Dagmar | airtonix: Not a pastor. Stage manager. Until the arabs got all ornery, no one knew it was anything other than some anonymous sounding arabic vocal noodling |
| 20:29.26 | Kraps | the talmud is a cornerstone of jewish oral law... |
| 20:29.31 | airtonix | ... |
| 20:29.42 | Kraps | study rather |
| 20:29.45 | Lunessa | That's a 50 DKP Minus |
| 20:30.07 | Lopeppeppy | .... *grin* |
| 20:30.18 | Kraps | dude that was all my dkp :( |
| 20:30.56 | amro | something tells me that a channel with "My dick has fish eyes" in the topic isn't the best place to discuss religious law |
| 20:32.13 | Lunessa | Considering that we're all of varied faiths/brands/degrees of atheism? Yeah, not really. |
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| 20:32.43 | airtonix | wow ui development? |
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| 20:33.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i try to stick to only one inflamatory topic. |
| 20:33.28 | NightHawkTheSane | which mean's religions pretty much out for me :P |
| 20:33.31 | Lopeppeppy | Like penises with eyes. |
| 20:33.43 | NightHawkTheSane | right! |
| 20:34.51 | airtonix | lets discuss twilight mums |
| 20:35.03 | airtonix | seems like a fairly innocent topic |
| 20:36.05 | Kraps | they're creepy |
| 20:36.15 | Cidan | hot |
| 20:36.40 | Lopeppeppy | My blackberry is dying, should I invest in a new phone (considering I literally use this as a phone, no texting or pictures or data or anything) or revert back to a 5 year old Nokia? |
| 20:36.54 | Kraps | if the genders were flipped, chris hansen would have a field day |
| 20:37.52 | Kraps | as would the pedo departments of every police force in the US |
| 20:38.10 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: If you can handle the mandatory data plan, I challenge you to not want a pre after you've messed with one |
| 20:38.15 | airtonix | but becuase they are female... |
| 20:38.24 | Kraps | thats right |
| 20:38.26 | Lopeppeppy | Cost is a factor with layoffs pending. No data plans for Peppy. |
| 20:38.32 | Kraps | its totally fine |
| 20:38.37 | airtonix | this is known as "sacred cow" |
| 20:39.01 | Lopeppeppy | I'm thinking the 5 year old Nokia is gonna be fine, as long as I packed the charger in the box with it when I put it away. |
| 20:39.03 | Dagmar | Sacred cows make the best-tasting burgers. |
| 20:39.11 | airtonix | good curry |
| 20:39.32 | Dagmar | Ouch. I'm still considering getting a Pre off eBay and using it without the plan, since they were nice enough to leave Wifi support in it |
| 20:39.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: if you REALLY arent using any of the more smart-phony things a blackberry does, then yeah, any old cell that still works will probably do fine :P |
| 20:39.47 | airtonix | level sync, should wow impliment it ? |
| 20:39.50 | Dagmar | I have a bad feeling about a Linux box in my pocket with nearly zero boot time tho |
| 20:40.07 | Dagmar | I keep getting birdies off a local digital billboard. It's only a matter of time before that gets me in trouble |
| 20:40.26 | Lopeppeppy | NHTS, I'm really not. I cut the data plan when work stopped paying for it, cut the text plan when I stopped using it, so it's just a phone, don't need this Crackberry that's bricking on me. |
| 20:41.02 | Dagmar | Oh I'd be back to candybar phones in a heartbeat then |
| 20:41.14 | Lopeppeppy | Baby Nokia shall come out to play. |
| 20:42.24 | Lunessa | WoW forums go boom |
| 20:42.34 | Lopeppeppy | Ruh-roh Raggy. |
| 20:42.50 | Dagmar | I'm sure the 4chan servers can handle the additional load |
| 20:42.54 | Kraps | airtonix: group with a low level toon and have the choice to delevel to that toon? pretty cool |
| 20:43.34 | Lunessa | airtonix: like CoH's Exmplar/Sidekick system? |
| 20:44.28 | Kraps | what do you guys want from santa? |
| 20:44.53 | Dagmar | waits to see a pack of level 80's with full epic deleveled to join a BG with a level 18 leading |
| 20:46.27 | Lopeppeppy | I want someone to catsit for me so that I can go to a convention in January. Santa could get me that. |
| 20:46.37 | airtonix | no exactly like final fantasys level sync |
| 20:47.07 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: what convention |
| 20:47.57 | Antiarc | Random sysadmin question: is there a technology that allows me to have a daemon listen on a port, and forward connections to different ports on the same box depending on the connection protocol? |
| 20:48.19 | Dagmar | yep |
| 20:48.32 | Dagmar | You have your TCP and you have your UDP |
| 20:48.40 | Dagmar | Each may be forwarded differently |
| 20:49.00 | Antiarc | For example, I have two Mumble servers, v 1.1.8 and 1.2. They share the same default port, but I can't have both daemons running on the same port. I'd like to have a forwarder listening on the default port, determine which type of client it is, and forward the connection to another port as is appropriate to the daemon it needs. |
| 20:49.06 | Lunessa | And... Your router can usually handle it all. |
| 20:49.11 | Dagmar | Very easy with iptables/pf. Dunno about what passes for Windows firewalls |
| 20:49.24 | Antiarc | This is a Linode box running CentOS :) |
| 20:49.57 | Dagmar | Antiarc: THat you'll likely have to MITM |
| 20:50.00 | airtonix | Antiarc, mumble can run on either udp or tcp ? |
| 20:50.17 | Antiarc | The "command channel" is TCP, the voice channel is UDP. |
| 20:50.25 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, hopefully Arisia. |
| 20:50.27 | airtonix | Antiarc, ok |
| 20:51.32 | Antiarc | It's not a HUGE deal, but I'm migrating ~80 people from 1.1.8 to 1.2, and they aren't compatible |
| 20:51.37 | Dagmar | Given the criteria, you'll have to make something that can listen on that port, speak both protocols well enough to figure out which it should use, and then connect to the "real" port for the right daemon and start passing the info along |
| 20:51.50 | Antiarc | Yeah, figured I'd have to roll my own. |
| 20:51.59 | Antiarc | I was hoping there'd be something that magically did it for me. |
| 20:52.05 | Dagmar | If one were using UDP-only and the other TCP-only you'd be set |
| 20:52.12 | Antiarc | yeah. |
| 20:52.27 | Dagmar | ...or if the connections began with UDP and the version information came along in the very first packet, you could do matches against that |
| 20:53.03 | Antiarc | Mumble/murmur 1.2 is really nice, by the way. |
| 20:53.15 | Antiarc | The CELT codec sounds fantastic |
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| 20:53.59 | Dagmar | Built-in irish brogue? |
| 20:54.18 | Antiarc | Heh, afraid not :P |
| 20:54.24 | Antiarc | It's exceptionally clear, though |
| 20:54.33 | Antiarc | I was testing it out last night and could hear vocal intonations that get lost with Speex |
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| 20:54.49 | Dagmar | I like the description of it enough to have just emailed a link to myself to look into it later tonight |
| 20:55.05 | Antiarc | It's basically Vent, except free and open source and better in every possible way |
| 20:55.11 | Dagmar | What I'd somewhat like more than positional sound would be if we could get sweat marks or something appearing over our toons heads when we talk |
| 20:55.18 | Antiarc | Heh. |
| 20:55.24 | Dagmar | That would make putting voices to toons tons easier |
| 20:55.24 | Antiarc | We switched to it for our (very large) guild alliance about 3 months ago and it's been rock-solid. |
| 20:55.41 | Antiarc | It would, but WoW is locked down too heavily for that, unfortunately. |
| 20:56.06 | NeoTron | I tried to use mumble back in the day and we couldn't get it working worth a shit |
| 20:56.08 | Dagmar | I'm a little suprised that's not built into the built-in voicechat |
| 20:56.19 | NeoTron | individual people could hear other people but not all people and some people weren't heard at all |
| 20:56.20 | Antiarc | NeoTron: It works smooth as silk these days. |
| 20:56.33 | Dagmar | ...or at least yaknow, make the toon do the "I am talking" emote while they talk if nothing else |
| 20:56.35 | airtonix | 'in the day' |
| 20:56.37 | Antiarc | NeoTron: That would be because of their routers/ISPs/whatever blocking UDP connections |
| 20:56.44 | Dagmar | Machinima people would wet themselves over that |
| 20:56.46 | Antiarc | 1.2 does automatic fallback to TCP in those cases, now |
| 20:56.46 | NeoTron | when 3-4 technical people can't get it to actually function on a basic level something is wrong |
| 20:56.53 | Antiarc | So those problems automatically fix themselves |
| 20:56.59 | airtonix | yeah they are lying to you about their skills |
| 20:57.05 | NeoTron | Antiarc: if ventrilo and TS works right away and mumble requires some massive configuration it's not useful |
| 20:57.12 | Antiarc | Vent and TS use TCP |
| 20:57.26 | Antiarc | Murmur uses UDP and has a massively lower latency as a result |
| 20:57.39 | NeoTron | Antiarc: I'm an SDE and ex sysadmin, one of the other friends that tried is a DBA.. technical people not random morons :P |
| 20:57.40 | Antiarc | The amount of lag on Vent is really jarring once you've used mumble for a while. |
| 20:57.43 | Dagmar | THe question still remains tho... where do ya host it |
| 20:57.51 | Antiarc | I host mine on a Linode box. |
| 20:57.56 | durcyn | there are services offering mumble hosting |
| 20:58.01 | durcyn | google is a hell of a thing |
| 20:58.11 | airtonix | witchcraft! |
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| 20:58.13 | Antiarc | $20/month gets me bandwidth to run upwards of a 1500-slot server, and we run an Icecast server off of it too, for radio during raids. |
| 20:58.17 | airtonix | not a duck! |
| 20:58.27 | Dagmar | I wonder more along hte lines of "will Dreamhost be adding this, or not get irked if *I* add it" |
| 20:58.40 | NeoTron | and it was things like: I could hear person A but not person B, but person A could hear both me and person B, but no one could hear person B |
| 20:58.44 | NeoTron | it was highly confusing |
| 20:58.49 | Antiarc | In any given month we use ~10% of our monthly bandwidth quota, with 2 25-man raids, 4 10-man raids, and an awful lot of social chatters |
| 20:59.01 | Dagmar | I'd slap a server up on the guild's virtual server in a heartbeat if I could |
| 20:59.17 | Antiarc | NeoTron: I'll guarantee that's due to UDP filtering. You can fix it by forcing Mumble into TCP mode. 1.2 does this automatically now. |
| 20:59.34 | Antiarc | Dagmar: It's literally as simple as downloading the package, untarring it, and running the binary. |
| 20:59.37 | Antiarc | Works out of the box. |
| 21:00.12 | Dagmar | I'm not worried about getting it working. I'm worried about whether or not I can do it without spending more money |
| 21:00.26 | Dagmar | It aint' like our casual guild is going to tax anyone's resources with whoohoo ten people |
| 21:00.27 | Dagmar | heh |
| 21:00.43 | NightHawkTheSane | im not certain how dreamhost feels about running servers/services on their shared hosting.. |
| 21:00.49 | Dagmar | Yeah |
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| 21:01.02 | Antiarc | If you want to give it a go, you can point a client at tachyonsix.com port 64038 |
| 21:01.06 | NightHawkTheSane | but if they dont mind in general, a low-pop voice server shouldn't be -too- bad. i still wouldn't realy want to run it on dreamhost, though |
| 21:01.55 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 21:02.13 | Dagmar | Actually I know someone in this building I can probably chat up to get one hosted on campus |
| 21:02.25 | Dagmar | They have a TeamSpeak server set up runnign 24/7 |
| 21:02.45 | Dagmar | With the integration in this thing, they might well drop TS for Mumble |
| 21:02.53 | durcyn | mumble is pro |
| 21:03.11 | NeoTron | Antiarc: I'm pretty sure we tried both tcp and udp |
| 21:03.28 | NeoTron | Antiarc: needless to say it wasn't wort the trouble over the $6/month vent server |
| 21:03.32 | Dagmar | What kinda voodoo did they do to get positional audio working for WoW? |
| 21:03.42 | kd3 | reading wow's memory |
| 21:03.47 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 21:03.47 | kd3 | (ie: don't let blizz catch you) |
| 21:03.58 | Dagmar | makes a note to disable that feature |
| 21:04.11 | Antiarc | I suspect that it is DLL hooking, yeah |
| 21:05.02 | Antiarc | I suspect the source is in the repo somewhere |
| 21:05.33 | airtonix | sweet positional sound |
| 21:05.44 | durcyn | until blizzard breaks it, that is |
| 21:05.52 | Antiarc | http://mumble.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=mumble/mumble;a=blob_plain;f=plugins/wow/wow.cpp;hb=HEAD |
| 21:05.53 | Antiarc | There it is |
| 21:06.06 | Dagmar | Yeah, but whiel I don't think Blizz would ahve a big problem with it for that purpose, I wouldn't expect much lenience from them if it happens to piss off Warden |
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| 21:07.05 | Dagmar | Euuuw....Yep. That's naughty alright |
| 21:07.39 | airtonix | what does that feature do exactly? |
| 21:07.51 | Antiarc | It lets you hear people talking from their position relative to you in game. |
| 21:07.53 | Dagmar | SOmewhat flagrantly reads the memory used by wow.exe |
| 21:07.59 | airtonix | why? |
| 21:08.02 | Antiarc | So, if my arena partner is off to my right, I'll hear his voice coming from off to my right |
| 21:08.05 | Dagmar | To find out where your group-mates area |
| 21:08.17 | airtonix | you assign toon names to mumble nicks? |
| 21:08.25 | Dagmar | Why not |
| 21:08.44 | Antiarc | Each person transmits their position |
| 21:08.52 | Antiarc | You don't read others' positions and correlate that to a nick |
| 21:08.53 | Dagmar | We do it on our vent server. When someone talks on that, down on my keyboard's screen it shows their name |
| 21:09.06 | Antiarc | Mumble has an overlay, which is different, but awesome |
| 21:09.27 | airtonix | so each persons mumble client reads their own wow client and gets their toons x/y/z pos and transmits it? |
| 21:09.33 | Antiarc | Right. |
| 21:09.40 | Antiarc | It sends your position with your voice stream |
| 21:09.54 | Antiarc | Then, other clients correlate that to their own position and mix the sound accordinglyu |
| 21:10.22 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw9sSAhHGeY&fmt=22 <-- if you watch the upper-right hand side of the screen, you'll see Mumble's overlay in action |
| 21:10.35 | Dagmar | THis could find out everyone's location just as easily, but it wouldn't so easily be able to tie incoming streams to the toon |
| 21:10.41 | Antiarc | It shows peoples' names as text by default, but they can set an image to show instead (though you can turn that off if you don't like seeing it) |
| 21:10.45 | Antiarc | Right. |
| 21:10.53 | Dagmar | Either way, sniffing WoW's RAMS is a good way to get bonked afaik |
| 21:11.29 | theorbtwo | Hm. I'd say it seems awful fragile, but, well, there's no multiple versions of the client to worry about. |
| 21:17.53 | Dagmar | This is true |
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| 21:22.09 | BioMyriad | hello is anyone around to answer a quick question? |
| 21:22.15 | airtonix | no |
| 21:22.21 | Cidan | ~asktoask |
| 21:22.21 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 21:24.30 | BioMyriad | ok :P , ok im just wondering what API call do i use to get the amount of a stack in a bag slot. (not max stack num, but current anount of that stack i have left) in LUA |
| 21:24.58 | Cidan | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
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| 21:25.14 | BioMyriad | been going over alot of the api calls from their |
| 21:25.52 | BioMyriad | i can get all the info i need except 1 |
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| 21:29.47 | Cidan | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetItemCount |
| 21:31.35 | Aelobin | how many wings are there in ICC? :P |
| 21:31.53 | Thunder_Child | 4 iirc |
| 21:32.17 | Aelobin | does arthas count as a "separate wing" ? |
| 21:32.39 | Thunder_Child | no, he is just the boss of one of them |
| 21:33.00 | Aelobin | ^^ |
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| 21:34.26 | BioMyriad | i may be able to hack that to work. thx. but no was to know how much is in a specific bag/slot so that way i can avoid destroying my stack as warned here http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SplitContainerItem |
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| 21:37.52 | KarlKFI|work | anyone used SVN with Piston before? |
| 21:44.25 | Thunder_Child | wow...i win. the scroll of recall took me exactly where i wanted to go...and it wasnt my hearth |
| 21:45.26 | Cidan | lol |
| 21:45.37 | Cidan | one time, it dropped me in lava. |
| 21:45.40 | Cidan | another time, in water |
| 21:45.44 | Cidan | I actually find it quite funny |
| 21:45.45 | cog|work | woot |
| 21:45.49 | cog|work | Cogwheel of Gnomeregan |
| 21:46.01 | Cidan | Are you playing WoW at work? |
| 21:46.23 | cog|work | =) |
| 21:46.29 | Cidan | I love it; sometimes I do that too |
| 21:46.38 | Cidan | I may do that later; I close my office door and just play |
| 21:46.49 | Nechckn | I hear that Cairenn|afk does that all the time!! |
| 21:46.54 | Cidan | lol |
| 21:46.58 | Nechckn | ;-) |
| 21:47.12 | airtonix | customer satisfaction report incoming |
| 21:47.49 | cog|work | i do my tournament dailies on my lunch |
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| 21:55.18 | airtonix | oo mumble makes use of libNotify too |
| 21:55.25 | airtonix | which overlays ontop of my wow client |
| 21:58.33 | Cidan | 3.3 = this tuesday? |
| 21:58.35 | Cidan | yes or no? |
| 21:58.42 | _rane | this? |
| 21:58.50 | _rane | more like next |
| 21:58.57 | Cidan | yeah, didn't think so either |
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| 21:59.20 | cog|work | answers with a quantum superposition of no and yes |
| 21:59.42 | cog|work | though they generally aren't in the habit of launching within a week after a build makes it to the ptr |
| 21:59.52 | Cidan | truth |
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| 22:00.24 | bluspacecow | hey guys |
| 22:00.26 | cog|work | hola |
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| 22:00.39 | bluspacecow | im getting 502 errors from the wow forums |
| 22:00.42 | bluspacecow | eg |
| 22:00.43 | bluspacecow | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21585888876&sid=1 |
| 22:00.50 | bluspacecow | would that be my side or their side ? |
| 22:00.51 | Cidan | okay? |
| 22:01.03 | cog|work | theirs... been funky for a while |
| 22:01.24 | bluspacecow | well poop ty cog |
| 22:03.54 | NeoTron | so are there any useful functions usable by addon authors 3.3 to determine if a player/class can use an item now? |
| 22:04.02 | NeoTron | considering that the loot dialog does such filtering now |
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| 22:17.27 | Lunessa | NSFW - language: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML-m23YBMXo |
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| 22:20.49 | Fisker | Lunessa |
| 22:21.07 | Fisker | you wouldn't travel back in time to undo your own existence |
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| 22:21.56 | Lunessa | Fisker: I might. It would be a pretty wickedly cool causal loop. |
| 22:22.08 | bluspacecow | loz @ Balloon Boy |
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| 22:22.26 | foxlit | Fisker: I have travelled back in time to undo myself traveling back in time. |
| 22:22.30 | foxlit | For all I know, it worked. |
| 22:23.39 | Antiarc | http://linuxologist.com/linuxhowto/howto-make-ubuntu-look-like-windows-xp/ |
| 22:23.42 | Fisker | wouldn't you travel forward in time then? |
| 22:23.45 | Thunder_Child | thats actually logical foxlit |
| 22:23.56 | Antiarc | That's actually pretty horrifyingly awesome |
| 22:24.51 | Thunder_Child | lol, who wants to work as an anti-p2p person http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/tch/1493294209.html |
| 22:24.56 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21586498443&sid=1 << someone should bump this with the words "dungeon map" |
| 22:25.16 | foxlit | $16/hour? |
| 22:25.33 | Lunessa | foxlit: When you travel back in time to keep yourself from traveling back in time stop by my place and remind me to travel back in time to prevent myself from traveling back in time? |
| 22:25.42 | Fisker | what's a swing and graveyard shift? |
| 22:26.04 | Fisker | day/night and night? |
| 22:26.07 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 22:26.17 | Fisker | you guys are silly |
| 22:26.27 | foxlit | But seriously, 16$/hour? |
| 22:26.42 | Fisker | Firm understanding of HTML and URL structure |
| 22:27.02 | foxlit | I must be missing something. What's the minimal wage like in US? |
| 22:27.09 | Fisker | "This link is an URL, i can see from the symbols and having seen quite a few URL's in my time" |
| 22:27.33 | Fisker | foxlit americans don't generally have a ~50% tax and 25% VAT |
| 22:27.38 | Lunessa | foxlit: Something like 6.50 USD right about now. |
| 22:27.52 | Thunder_Child | that and WTH is university city? |
| 22:27.59 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, it varies by state |
| 22:28.34 | Lunessa | The federal mandate is supplemented at state levels TC. |
| 22:28.51 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, right, CA is higher |
| 22:28.53 | foxlit | $7.25 is what wikipedia says |
| 22:29.02 | foxlit | with CA at 8 |
| 22:29.16 | Lunessa | foxlit: I haven't worked for minimum wage since 1982, so... yeah |
| 22:29.26 | Thunder_Child | at least i assume this is in CA |
| 22:30.03 | Thunder_Child | best guess is someone misspelled universal |
| 22:31.04 | Ginji | I wonder if "I can download pirated stuff" qualifies as "deep knowledge of internet piracy" |
| 22:31.07 | Fisker | Why do i need to work with Firefox? |
| 22:31.39 | Ginji | I don't care what you work in, as long as it follow proper standards |
| 22:32.04 | Ginji | s/follow/follows/ |
| 22:32.05 | Fisker | talking about the craigslist ad |
| 22:32.47 | Ginji | Spanish and Mandarin preferred. <-- wtf |
| 22:32.56 | Ginji | Spanish I get |
| 22:32.59 | Ginji | but mandarin |
| 22:33.08 | Fisker | you wouldn't betray a fellow pirate Ginji |
| 22:33.25 | Ginji | I would betray anyone for the right price |
| 22:33.32 | Ginji | So would you |
| 22:33.36 | Fisker | oh yeah, me too |
| 22:33.37 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 22:33.45 | Ginji | So would anyone for that matter |
| 22:34.09 | foxlit | How glum. |
| 22:34.45 | Ginji | Sad but true |
| 22:35.53 | Ginji | Time to hit the shower |
| 22:36.09 | Ginji | Why do people say that anyway? |
| 22:38.41 | Fisker | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 22:39.07 | foxlit | "Watch as researchers at UCSD slice the donated brain of an amnesic patient into glass slides, live at http://www.theawesomer.com/c/click.php?id=8106; itâs already partway into its 30 hour run. Thanks, Devand!" |
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| 22:40.11 | Lunessa | wonders how you obtain 'informed consent' from someone who was arguably 'not of sound mind and body' at the time the bequest was made. |
| 22:41.37 | Nechckn | from their court-appointed guardian type person |
| 22:41.57 | Nechckn | Still pretty sketchy, though |
| 22:47.13 | kd3 | random wow item question: are there any melee items that still have bonus damage? e.g. "55-88 damage (+10-14 frost)" |
| 22:51.46 | Aelobin | shadowfang does |
| 22:51.49 | Aelobin | :P |
| 22:52.18 | kd3 | awesome. thanks |
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| 23:00.58 | Thunder_Child | so it seems that playtform is a word |
| 23:01.27 | Thunder_Child | ~dict playtform |
| 23:01.48 | Thunder_Child | well then i stabbeth thee MS word spell checker |
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| 23:06.52 | Fisker | aha |
| 23:06.55 | Fisker | i've done it |
| 23:09.56 | Saiket | Does anyone actually own one of those stereoscopic monitors? Need to confirm that nameplates have no depth any more. :S |
| 23:10.32 | Shirik | I really want to get one |
| 23:10.34 | Shirik | so cool |
| 23:10.52 | Kraps | Dear Anonymous Internet User, Please give us $3,000 for that Miley Cyrus album you downloaded or we will end your shit. XOXOXO, The RIAA |
| 23:11.06 | Kraps | cracked.com is win |
| 23:11.32 | Saiket | I'm not sure if nameplates are broken on the PTR or if _VirtualPlates really got nerfed that fast. |
| 23:11.37 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/article/214_7-inventors-you-didnt-know-you-wanted-to-punch-in-face/ |
| 23:14.57 | NightHawkTheSane | anyone around familiar with jquer? |
| 23:14.59 | NightHawkTheSane | jquery* |
| 23:15.21 | NightHawkTheSane | specifically, what happens if i try to bind the a function to an event on a particular element multiple times? |
| 23:15.39 | Thunder_Child | Saiket, Iriel does |
| 23:15.41 | Thunder_Child | iirc |
| 23:16.09 | Dagmar | Saiket: Probably just broke. I can't see much reason for them to have gone out of their way to 'nerf' that |
| 23:16.19 | Shirik | Prior to 2003, the RIAA was still not winning any popularity awards among the American public. However their hate crimes against music and teenagers had been limited to dismantling Internet file-sharing services and creating copy-protected CDs that nobody could use. Then in 2003, the board of directors decided to fuck Public Relations all together and summoned Mitch Bainwol from the deepest pits of Litigation Hell |
| 23:16.19 | Shirik | rofl |
| 23:16.33 | Dagmar | ...aside from, you know, the usual "why the hell are you using an underscore there" reasons |
| 23:19.40 | Saiket | :P |
| 23:19.53 | Saiket | I eat reserved namespaces for breakfast. |
| 23:20.18 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i just stick with cereal. |
| 23:20.24 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe eggs & bacon. |
| 23:20.32 | foxlit | breakfast is for people who wake up before noon. |
| 23:20.48 | Saiket | Well the nerf seems explicit. The depth APIs return nil only for nameplate frames, even when I set new depths. |
| 23:22.16 | Dagmar | You need to set depths why? |
| 23:22.25 | foxlit | He needs to get depths. |
| 23:22.34 | foxlit | To figure out how far away the mobs are to scale the plates. |
| 23:23.10 | Dagmar | Don't they kinda have a long-standing thing against getting exact figures on distances from targets? |
| 23:23.18 | Saiket | Yeah, I only tried setting them to see if the return values were "uninitialized" or something. No such luck; they're just filtered out. |
| 23:23.28 | foxlit | You could be onto something there. |
| 23:23.53 | Dagmar | Someone probably said a big oops that it's been available for as long as it was through that mechanism |
| 23:25.49 | foxlit | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/12/exio.jpg |
| 23:27.17 | Dagmar | For a game that's supposed to be about creativity they sure seem to be interested in letting you glom onto other people's IP |
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| 23:50.58 | KarlKFI|work | NightHawkTheSane: you mean liek assign click multiple times? |
| 23:51.43 | KarlKFI|work | it adds a callback every time you call .click(function) |
| 23:52.36 | KarlKFI|work | can't remember if you can name them for unhooking, but it's generally better to just use a disabled flag |
| 23:52.45 | KarlKFI|work | withint he callback |
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| 23:56.36 | cog|work | Dolby you perv! |
| 23:56.39 | cog|work | :3 |
