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| 00:05.27 | Adys | WobWork: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:06.24 | WobWork | get the geocode of 1300 odd pharmacies =) |
| 00:07.03 | Adys | kay |
| 00:07.05 | Adys | viagrawhole |
| 00:07.09 | Adys | viagrawhore even |
| 00:07.10 | WobWork | thankfully google maps upped their daily api request limit to 15k requests =P |
| 00:07.10 | Lopeppeppy | why not the even ones? |
| 00:07.27 | WobWork | cause only the odd ones would stock these products! |
| 00:07.36 | WobWork | (I lie, I lie =P) |
| 00:07.38 | Adys | WobWork: while its running, watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-zElDQxs3g 4 times |
| 00:09.02 | Thunder_Child | the graphic for the nightfall buff is rather nice |
| 00:10.24 | WobWork | wow, it got dirty at around 2:00 |
| 00:11.13 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b_puGoQLuU&NR=1&feature=fvwp |
| 00:11.20 | WobWork | yay Happy Tree Friends! |
| 00:13.47 | Adys | yeah |
| 00:14.37 | Adys | WobWork: so for the ones lacking french IQism |
| 00:14.41 | Adys | this is an ad |
| 00:14.50 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXuOQ2MIXwg |
| 00:14.54 | Adys | and this was the original one |
| 00:15.08 | Adys | http://uncultured.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/evian.jpg and this is the company it was for |
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| 00:39.35 | WobWork | Adys: so was the cartoon one the original? |
| 00:39.41 | Adys | no |
| 00:39.42 | WobWork | or at least the first one |
| 00:40.02 | Adys | the second video linked was the original ad which was meant as a joke more or less that "drinking evian makes you younger" |
| 00:40.04 | WobWork | what was the reasoning behind all those people singing with weird voices, then? =) |
| 00:40.07 | WobWork | ah |
| 00:40.31 | WobWork | so why the change to the animated one? Or was that a fanvid or something |
| 00:40.48 | Adys | the cartoon was done as the Fete de la Musique (National Music Festival) by the same company |
| 00:40.56 | Adys | the song had really taken off by then |
| 00:41.05 | Adys | oddly enough it never got known outside france |
| 00:42.29 | DWSR | Because the French are an awful people who should be erased from the planet. |
| 00:42.34 | DWSR | No, I'm not racist.\ |
| 00:42.46 | Gnarfoz | obviously, as "French" is not a race |
| 00:43.17 | DWSR | Arguable, but *shrug* |
| 00:43.38 | DWSR | The only thing that the French have given me is Quebec, and it didn't come with a gift receipt. |
| 00:45.05 | DWSR | Wow, gg blizz. Way to break the pet respawn for BGs. |
| 00:45.30 | DWSR | Now not only do I not get a pony, but I don't get my voidwalker back either. |
| 00:45.42 | cbreak | pet respawns? |
| 00:45.56 | cbreak | my water elemental never respawned |
| 00:47.28 | DWSR | When you die, the spirit guide rez is supposed to give you your last summoned minion. |
| 00:47.39 | DWSR | Or your current pet or water elemental or whatever. |
| 00:47.40 | cbreak | hmm. |
| 00:47.42 | DWSR | Currently, it doesn't do that. |
| 00:47.48 | cbreak | maybe only for permanent pets |
| 00:48.06 | cbreak | but voids should be permanent. |
| 00:48.20 | cbreak | maybe they found warlocks to be overpowered in PvP :) |
| 00:49.27 | DWSR | wasn't working for any hunters in the bg either |
| 00:49.30 | DWSR | something broken with pets |
| 00:49.51 | DWSR | also glyphed elementals, unholy dk ghouls are permanent pets. |
| 00:50.35 | DWSR | For most classes it isn't a big deal. |
| 00:50.47 | DWSR | All DKs have the glyph of raise dead, so ghouls are an IC rez, no reagent new pet. |
| 00:50.55 | DWSR | Mages, water elemental is no reagent |
| 00:51.12 | DWSR | Hunter pets lose no happiness since they don't die, they're despawned. 10s rez, but no reagent. |
| 00:51.23 | DWSR | Locks have a 10s rez and a reagent cost. Fucking FTL. |
| 00:52.09 | cbreak | well |
| 00:52.26 | cbreak | if you were clever back in the old days, you got the void walker shard as level 50 class quest :) |
| 00:52.34 | DWSR | lol, I have it. |
| 00:52.44 | DWSR | I don't carry it around with me. |
| 00:52.52 | amro | DWSR: this has nothing to do with it being a "big deal" for certain classes, it's clearly a bug |
| 00:52.56 | DWSR | hasn't been an issue before today. |
| 00:53.43 | DWSR | amro: The difference being it adversely affects warlocks much more than others. |
| 00:54.04 | amro | which doesan't matter, it's still a bug to be fixed either way |
| 00:55.36 | DWSR | amro: What they should do, quite frankly, is remove the shard cost of all spells while you're in an arena or a battleground. |
| 00:56.32 | amro | DWSR: yes, homogenizenize the game some more |
| 00:56.41 | amro | what they should do is turn all chars into DKs. |
| 00:56.47 | amro | homogenize* |
| 00:56.49 | DWSR | amro: Why? Then I'd be underpowered. |
| 00:56.54 | cbreak | or just let them suck the souls out of Horde Scum! |
| 00:57.10 | cbreak | DKs are op. But boring. And I have no idea how to play them. |
| 00:57.12 | DWSR | amro: they're getting rid of shards in cata anyway, why not just tweak this as a temporary QoL fix. |
| 00:57.21 | DWSR | cbreak: DKs aren't OP at level cap. |
| 00:57.33 | DWSR | cbreak: I facestomp DKs as destro. |
| 00:57.49 | amro | they must be shitty DKs |
| 00:57.53 | cbreak | but... but... they force pull me! |
| 00:58.01 | cbreak | and then they interrupt my spells, and slow me |
| 00:58.02 | amro | I didn't have a single bad matchup as DK, not even a tricky one |
| 00:58.03 | DWSR | cbreak: Teleport, bai. |
| 00:58.21 | cbreak | that rarely seems to have the expected long term benefit |
| 00:58.21 | amro | DWSR: apparently you're okay with them watering the game down even more |
| 00:58.26 | cbreak | due to being slowed |
| 00:58.38 | amro | it's amazing that they added a billion spells yet the game is actually simpler than at level 60 |
| 00:58.38 | cbreak | also, I can only blink 20 units :( |
| 00:58.50 | amro | cbreak: spec frost, k |
| 00:58.51 | DWSR | cbreak: LOLMAGE. |
| 00:58.54 | DWSR | Indeed. |
| 00:59.00 | cbreak | I am frost... |
| 00:59.09 | amro | cbreak: then you shouldn't lose to DKs, ever |
| 00:59.10 | DWSR | Then blink removes snares, does it not? |
| 00:59.21 | amro | you should have 120+ resists, plus dampen and IB |
| 00:59.24 | cbreak | no |
| 00:59.39 | DWSR | oh, nvm. Imp. Blink's so rediculous. |
| 00:59.48 | cbreak | blink's an arcane spell |
| 00:59.50 | amro | yeah |
| 00:59.54 | amro | and imp blink sucks |
| 01:00.08 | amro | it was only useful in the early days of wintergrasp |
| 01:00.13 | cbreak | I can only get 120 resist with mage armor |
| 01:00.20 | DWSR | cbreak: lol? |
| 01:00.27 | cbreak | (without special gear) |
| 01:00.31 | amro | cbreak: you should be in mage armor vs DK |
| 01:00.36 | amro | you have frost nova and shattered barrier |
| 01:00.41 | amro | no need for frost armor |
| 01:00.51 | cbreak | they're a melee class |
| 01:00.52 | amro | plus blink, and sheep early in the fight |
| 01:00.54 | DWSR | yes. |
| 01:00.59 | amro | yeah, a melee class that deals mostly magic damage |
| 01:01.02 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:01.07 | cbreak | so it's a potential advantage to have them slowed |
| 01:01.15 | amro | which is what FN and SB are for |
| 01:01.18 | DWSR | cbreak: Frost Nova, R1 frostbolt? |
| 01:01.21 | amro | plus you can kill them before it gets that far |
| 01:01.25 | cbreak | frostbolts don't snare anymore |
| 01:01.33 | cbreak | due to that stupid glyph we need for raiding :( |
| 01:01.41 | DWSR | cbreak: l2dual spec. |
| 01:01.43 | amro | correction: do to the stupid glyph you have |
| 01:01.49 | amro | also, don't raid as frost |
| 01:01.54 | amro | it's just pointless |
| 01:01.59 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:02.07 | amro | unless you want to be at the bottom mof the dps meter and have people say "well, it's not his fault he's frost" |
| 01:02.20 | DWSR | amro: People never say that. They just say that you're a bad mage. |
| 01:02.32 | DWSR | No one takes the time to inspect your talents if you suck that much |
| 01:02.37 | DWSR | they just boot you. |
| 01:02.47 | amro | to top it off, frost is the epitome of boring raids |
| 01:02.53 | amro | frostbolt all day |
| 01:02.59 | amro | hoping for a FoF proc |
| 01:03.06 | amro | then you get to in a row, thus not getting the most out of it |
| 01:03.12 | Jerub | :D :D :D i'm so happy i got my trinket pair. |
| 01:03.13 | amro | frost raiding is ridiculous in every way imaginable |
| 01:03.18 | Jerub | +222 spellpower :) |
| 01:03.24 | cbreak | I blame blizzard. |
| 01:03.28 | DWSR | amro: So is destro. |
| 01:03.32 | DWSR | mmm incinerate. |
| 01:03.38 | YammYgirlcoding | jerub ! oh my god ! you play wow ??? |
| 01:03.46 | amro | DWSR: and you want them to kill shards? |
| 01:03.50 | amro | at least that's something to keep track of |
| 01:03.58 | DWSR | amro: No it's not. |
| 01:03.58 | amro | as frost you don't even check mana |
| 01:04.03 | DWSR | when do you use shards as destro? |
| 01:04.11 | cbreak | yeah, but I have to resummon the pet all the time. |
| 01:04.17 | amro | I haven't played lock in ~3 years |
| 01:04.18 | cbreak | to summon. duh. |
| 01:04.22 | DWSR | amro: You don't. Ever |
| 01:04.26 | DWSR | Your imp is your pet of choice. |
| 01:04.31 | DWSR | You never use Soul Fire. |
| 01:04.36 | DWSR | You don't spec for Shadowburn. |
| 01:04.41 | DWSR | QED Pointless reagent. |
| 01:04.43 | amro | bs, I summoned people all the time |
| 01:04.57 | amro | instead of asking for it to be removed, you should be asking for it to become useful |
| 01:04.57 | DWSR | amro: Meeting stones, kthx. |
| 01:05.04 | cbreak | soulstones! |
| 01:05.07 | DWSR | amro: They are making it more useful. In Cataclysm. |
| 01:05.25 | DWSR | amro: Until then, I'd just like to have it removed. It's an annoyance at best. |
| 01:05.32 | cbreak | only 5 more talent points :/ |
| 01:05.36 | amro | cataclysm is going to be even dumber |
| 01:05.53 | amro | continuing their trend of making the game more boring with every iteration |
| 01:05.55 | DWSR | cbreak: Yeah, but they're not extending the trees at all. |
| 01:06.01 | cbreak | :O |
| 01:06.06 | cbreak | WTH! |
| 01:06.13 | DWSR | Why would they? |
| 01:06.15 | Jerub | YammYgirlcoding: ... no. |
| 01:06.20 | cbreak | because I want new stuff! |
| 01:06.29 | cbreak | is the center of the world of warcraft |
| 01:06.42 | Jerub | amro: i don't find togc10 boring at all..... |
| 01:06.48 | DWSR | Jerub: lol, srsly? |
| 01:06.58 | Jerub | DWSR: who could get bored wiping that many times! |
| 01:06.59 | amro | Jerub: you carry 9 competent raid members in your back pocket? |
| 01:07.00 | DWSR | To(G)C is about as boring as Naxx, but without all the filler. |
| 01:07.11 | cbreak | the tournament stuff is boring. allways the same fights |
| 01:07.15 | cbreak | and then in 25 again |
| 01:07.21 | cbreak | and then hardmode. yawn |
| 01:07.25 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:07.31 | cbreak | well... if I would do hard modes I guess |
| 01:07.36 | amro | either way, raids are bleh. there's absolutely no flavor once you learn the fights |
| 01:07.48 | cbreak | (I actually do when someone needs me... but it's just like normal, just harder...) |
| 01:07.59 | amro | and no, wiping because the rest of the raid doesn't know what they're doing doesn't count as learning |
| 01:08.05 | amro | once you do your part right, it gets boring |
| 01:08.15 | cbreak | my all time favorite fight is still Reliquary of Souls and Nefarion. |
| 01:08.59 | amro | 10 man four horsemen cause you can actually do something different each time |
| 01:09.09 | cbreak | (RoS: Being top damage as frost mage by a wide margin due to spell stealing! Yay! :) |
| 01:09.22 | cbreak | we always did the same thing, more or less |
| 01:09.28 | cbreak | at least there I tanked a few times, so it was a change |
| 01:09.51 | Jerub | i'm thinking about dusting off my tank set and tanking toc10 |
| 01:09.59 | Jerub | now that my tree has basically all 232+245 gear |
| 01:10.02 | cbreak | my guild did nax in the old days, but only four bosses I think. So those were a rehash too |
| 01:12.09 | YammYgirlcoding | Jerub remember me? I know you of years ago, i guess from some postgresql subject or linux, or something like that. |
| 01:12.26 | Jerub | YammYgirlcoding: I could not possibly forget. |
| 01:12.38 | YammYgirlcoding | Jerub =^^= |
| 01:12.49 | YammYgirlcoding | Jerub so you play wow too? I'm amazed =) |
| 01:13.00 | YammYgirlcoding | da sql master hehe |
| 01:13.57 | YammYgirlcoding | you code lua ? |
| 01:17.38 | YammYgirlcoding | jerub ! you are good with logic right ? Tell me why ! |
| 01:17.46 | YammYgirlcoding | I have an issue bugging me |
| 01:18.25 | YammYgirlcoding | I got a recruit, leveled to 6. granted 3 levels to an alt. then put them leveling together. How is that possible that they now are at the same level 6 ? |
| 01:27.22 | Seerah | YammYgirlcoding: iirc, there is a bonus to xp on the recruit program as well |
| 01:28.01 | YammYgirlcoding | but like. how is possible a lv 3 reach a lv 6, if they are together doing the same quests ? |
| 01:29.47 | ZorbaBeta | the first few levels are very, very fast, and your lower-level character may be gaining more xp per kill |
| 01:29.57 | Seerah | that, too. |
| 01:30.19 | Seerah | a lvl 4 receives more experience from a lvl 6 quest than a lvl 6 character does |
| 01:30.24 | Jerub | my guild gets annoyed when i say 'ding' every time i level between 1 and 20, because it's several times an hour :/ |
| 01:30.47 | Jerub | (which is most of the fun) |
| 01:30.48 | ZorbaBeta | seerah, I've actually heard that's not true - quest xp is constant. More percentage, but not more absolute. |
| 01:31.11 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: is there a way to turn off the QH submit nag? |
| 01:31.30 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, nope, because if there was then people would turn it off and that would sort of defeat the point |
| 01:31.34 | ZorbaBeta | it'll go away in a day or two. |
| 01:31.44 | ZorbaBeta | it also should only show up once per login. |
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| 01:32.28 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: it'd be nice if as part of doing a submission it would set a flag in the QH state file to say that it's been submitted in the last 7 days ;) |
| 01:32.40 | Lopeppeppy | now that your'e the same level, you'll level together. |
| 01:34.32 | YammYgirlcoding | but the alt cant be the same level, it must be lower to receive the level grants. |
| 01:34.40 | Jerub | (by 'it' i mean my script that sends the submission email) |
| 01:34.44 | YammYgirlcoding | i didn't expect it to reach the recruit level ! |
| 01:36.27 | WobWork | I figured the 'free levels' were to be applied to -another- alt of yours |
| 01:36.44 | WobWork | since you'd technically be levelling with the recruit with the already designated alt |
| 01:36.58 | WobWork | and getting the xp bonus from that |
| 01:37.31 | WobWork | it's not much of a recruitment if your 'friend' gets left behind due to your gifting of the levels to the 'recruiter' |
| 01:38.34 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, if you poke around in the savedvariables file you'll notice a variable that indicates when it should end the current "ask for donation" cycle. set that to 0 and bam, it ends. |
| 01:38.40 | Adys | [02:30:47] <ZorbaBeta> seerah, I've actually heard that's not true - quest xp is constant. More percentage, but not more absolute. |
| 01:38.42 | Adys | depends |
| 01:38.49 | Adys | some quests have more absolute |
| 01:38.55 | Adys | but those are generally dailies, seasonals etc |
| 01:38.55 | ZorbaBeta | adys, there's a discontinuity when it hits gray, of course |
| 01:39.02 | Adys | not talking about that |
| 01:39.08 | Adys | talking about stuff like er |
| 01:39.12 | ZorbaBeta | also I'd say those quests *aren't* absolute, they change their xp as you level up |
| 01:39.13 | Adys | the candy buckets for example |
| 01:39.21 | ZorbaBeta | yeah those are most certainly not absolute |
| 01:39.31 | Adys | its not a percentage |
| 01:39.34 | kd3 | level -1 quests are special |
| 01:39.38 | ZorbaBeta | they give far more numeric XP at level 80 than at level 1 |
| 01:39.39 | Adys | its a precalculated xp lookup |
| 01:39.53 | kd3 | 22050 xp at 80 iirc |
| 01:40.04 | ZorbaBeta | yes, and what I'm saying is that I've heard from people who have tested that *most* quests give a fixed amount of XP as long as they're not gray |
| 01:40.05 | WobWork | wouldn't that be classified as a 'percentage' then? |
| 01:40.10 | WobWork | if it's different for each level? |
| 01:40.19 | ZorbaBeta | wob, no, it does not increase linearly with max-xp |
| 01:40.24 | WobWork | granted, not necessarily the -same- percentage =) |
| 01:40.41 | ZorbaBeta | technically anything can be expressed as a "percentage", in that case :P |
| 01:40.45 | WobWork | ^^ |
| 01:40.54 | WobWork | wins the battle for classification |
| 01:57.38 | WobWork | hehe |
| 01:57.46 | WobWork | neilhimself - This morning: yoga, day two. In which an author hopes to unknot the aches and knots he got from yoga, day one. Also, ow. |
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| 03:45.27 | kd3 | http://â.net/ |
| 03:46.24 | Kraps | nvm |
| 03:47.54 | Corrodias | invalid url! |
| 03:48.25 | Corrodias | but not when copied via clipboard |
| 03:48.27 | kd3 | works fine here |
| 03:48.39 | kd3 | make sure your client handles unicode properly? |
| 03:48.44 | Corrodias | i'm sure it doesn't |
| 03:49.08 | Corrodias | mirc is a dirty whore when it comes to not-utf-8 |
| 03:49.26 | Corrodias | works fine if i copy the url, and it is cute |
| 03:49.55 | kd3 | amazing glyphs in unicode |
| 03:49.57 | kd3 | ponders |
| 03:51.12 | batrick | hostnames aren't allowed to contain unicode i thought? or is that new IANA resolution already in effect? |
| 03:51.33 | kd3 | they have been. your browser does an inline-translation to ascii... |
| 03:51.40 | kd3 | fx went to http://xn--n3h.net/ here |
| 03:51.57 | batrick | hrm whatever |
| 03:52.01 | Corrodias | yes, i didn't recognize that |
| 03:53.11 | Mr_Rabies | my mirc straight up doesn't work properly with unicode |
| 03:53.14 | Mr_Rabies | i have no clue why |
| 03:53.14 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 03:53.27 | Mr_Rabies | i try to copy and paste it and it's broken |
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| 04:03.59 | cogwheel | huh ... spreadsheets = functional programming "language" |
| 04:04.56 | Jerub | http://waiterrant.net/?p=1520 |
| 04:05.18 | Jerub | weird. 2 espressos were $15, which is pricey, but the johny walker blue was $150 for 2... |
| 04:05.24 | Jerub | maybe that was 2 serves, not two bottles... |
| 04:07.19 | kdtresh_0014 | 2 servers 1 cup? |
| 04:12.46 | WobWork | ... $7.50 an espresso? |
| 04:12.52 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, I assume everything there except the wine is in terms of servings, and I also assume there's pretty much a $5 charge per-item just for the privilege of ordering it from them. |
| 04:12.58 | WobWork | they'd better sprinkle gold leaf on those |
| 04:13.00 | ZorbaBeta | I mean, "2 parmesan chunks, $28" |
| 04:13.12 | ZorbaBeta | "1 lg water, $12" |
| 04:13.43 | Jerub | yeah, must be two serves. |
| 04:14.07 | Jerub | i know of a restaraunt in sydney that in a single night 5 people were escorted from the bar by security for ordering johnny blue + coke. |
| 04:15.00 | ZorbaBeta | that's kind of awesome |
| 04:15.07 | Shirik | Ok, I have determined using a functional language without being able to use closures sucks |
| 04:15.08 | Shirik | a lot |
| 04:15.33 | Jerub | if it were my restaraunt, they'd be escorted from the premesis for ordering johnny blue.... |
| 04:15.34 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, s/functional // |
| 04:15.36 | Jerub | but that's just me. |
| 04:15.43 | WobWork | Jerub: hehe which one? |
| 04:15.44 | Shirik | functional languages have their purpose |
| 04:15.57 | ZorbaBeta | man you are misinterpreting my regexp |
| 04:16.02 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:16.04 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:16.05 | Shirik | I fail |
| 04:16.06 | ZorbaBeta | I am removing the word "functional" from that sentence, and claiming it is still equally correct. |
| 04:16.16 | WobWork | ~failrik |
| 04:16.17 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 04:16.22 | WobWork | ^^ |
| 04:16.22 | Shirik | I dunno, you can kinda get away with it in most languages |
| 04:16.27 | Shirik | but in functional languages, damn |
| 04:16.34 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it's worse in functional languages |
| 04:17.36 | Shirik | I especially like how the language says to me "I know what LAMBDA is, but I ain't gonna let you use it lololol" |
| 04:17.50 | tem|afk | Shirik, wtf functional language _doesn't_ have closures? |
| 04:17.55 | Shirik | though it says it a little more professionally |
| 04:18.04 | Shirik | ACL2, which is a Lisp variant |
| 04:18.12 | Shirik | actually, it's more like a Lisp application |
| 04:18.13 | Shirik | than a language |
| 04:18.16 | tem|afk | it sounds absolutely dreadful |
| 04:18.23 | Shirik | They argue a valid reason for it |
| 04:18.29 | Shirik | but it's very painful |
| 04:18.31 | tem|afk | which is? |
| 04:18.44 | Jerub | erlang doesn't have closures either iirc. |
| 04:18.47 | tem|afk | an Environment class is too hard to write for their interpreter? |
| 04:18.54 | tem|afk | (note: it isn't) |
| 04:18.56 | Shirik | ACL2 is actually a theorem proving language, so one of the most important concepts is its ability to validate axioms |
| 04:19.08 | Shirik | and closures make that a hell of a lot more difficult |
| 04:20.41 | Shirik | ACL2 Error in TOP-LEVEL: The symbol LAMBDA (in package "COMMON-LISP") has neither a function nor macro definition in ACL2. Moreover, this symbol is in the main Lisp package; hence, you cannot define it in ACL2, which is not Common Lisp. |
| 04:20.45 | Shirik | aka: lol @ u! |
| 04:21.00 | Dagmar | Don't let him fool you. LISP isn't a programming language any more than XML is |
| 04:21.21 | Dagmar | XML's a set of grammar for defining data sstructures, LISP is a set of grammar for defining recursion. |
| 04:22.50 | Shirik | And C is a grammar for defining computer instructions? o.O |
| 04:24.02 | Dagmar | s/computer instructions/buffer overflows/; |
| 04:24.07 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:24.54 | Thunder_Child | Defiling Computer Instructors |
| 04:25.00 | Thunder_Child | thats what i read >.< |
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| 04:31.59 | Shirik | Thunder_Child defiles computer instructors |
| 04:38.43 | DWSR | anyone know if there's a way to make Grid fill up all of the available frame with units (i.e. automagically adjust width/height of unit frames), based on how many people are in the raid? |
| 04:39.04 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, yes, both ways |
| 04:52.40 | DWSR | anyone know if there's a way to make Grid fill up all of the available frame with units (i.e. automagically adjust width/height of unit frames), based on how many people are in the raid? |
| 04:56.24 | NightHawkTheSane | GridAUtoFrameSize or somesuch plugin |
| 04:58.56 | DWSR | Thanks |
| 05:08.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Anyone have some kind of a guide as to tauren skin color -> druid form color assocations? |
| 05:08.26 | DWSR | es |
| 05:08.28 | DWSR | yes* |
| 05:08.47 | DWSR | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/druid-forms.html |
| 05:09.24 | NightHawkTheSane | that doesn't give the assocation, though... |
| 05:09.39 | NightHawkTheSane | oh wiat, there's a link.. |
| 05:09.44 | DWSR | ;) |
| 05:09.47 | NightHawkTheSane | thanks :) |
| 05:10.00 | Corrodias | fascinating |
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| 07:14.32 | haste | I blame Fisker |
| 07:15.06 | Fisker- | i blame haste |
| 07:15.13 | Fisker- | infact people hate haste |
| 07:15.37 | Shadowed | I love haste |
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| 07:22.01 | Dagmar | I prefer armor pen |
| 07:22.14 | Fisker- | i prefer strength and crit |
| 07:22.22 | Dagmar | But I *really* look forward to not having to give a crap about it anymore |
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| 07:22.52 | Dagmar | I've decided I dont' think they'll oversimplify gear to the point where it'll be like FreeRealms, and I'm frelling tired of crunching numbers just to pewpew |
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| 07:23.42 | Fisker- | kom til tåstrup og kneep mig haste |
| 07:24.44 | Fisker- | I hope they get rid of the tank sets situation though Dagmar |
| 07:25.23 | Jerub | Fisker-: making it so that dps and tank sets are identical and just talents are different? |
| 07:25.30 | Dagmar | I haven't had much trouble working the numbers on the DK, although I can understand your irritation with assigning a valuation to survivability |
| 07:25.46 | Dagmar | Jerub: That would be kinda nice actually |
| 07:25.47 | Jerub | I lolled last night. was doing a raid as tree, healers got asked if we had a dps spec, so i changed to dps for them. |
| 07:26.04 | Jerub | then later a tank ragequit, so they asked if we had a tank. |
| 07:26.20 | Jerub | and i was like, "i haven't tanked anything higher than naxx, but here are my tanking stats" and got asked to tank. |
| 07:26.21 | Fisker- | no Jerub |
| 07:26.36 | Fisker- | making it so i don't have to collect a block set and an avoidance set |
| 07:26.57 | Jerub | so i got told to relog on my tank, took me three goes to explain i''m *druid* |
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| 07:27.17 | Jerub | (and i waste 1.5 bags on gear ....) |
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| 07:31.34 | Jerub | hm, my tanking set is really shit. gotta actually start raiding as tank. |
| 07:32.25 | Jerub | quickarmory.com's broken. |
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| 07:34.33 | Amarande | ooh, Quel'Delar looks win. |
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| 07:34.42 | Amarande | hmm, on the subject of being able to get the battered hilt, and such |
| 07:34.55 | Fisker- | i want shadowmourne |
| 07:34.57 | Amarande | do the new dungeons in 3.3 require a certain level of quest progression in the Icecrown zone to enter? |
| 07:35.04 | Amarande | or are they available right away? |
| 07:35.14 | Fisker- | i believe you have to do them in succession first |
| 07:35.26 | Amarande | Yeah, I know you have to do the dungeons themselves in order, like with Durnholde and BM |
| 07:35.29 | Jerub | damn, it's got my heal set on armory: http://dathremar-us.warcrafter.net/Brandi |
| 07:35.42 | Amarande | but are they affected at all by whether you've finished enough non-dungeon quests in IC zone, or are the instances visible to all? |
| 07:36.40 | Jerub | i hate those phased quests in icecrown |
| 07:36.54 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah, that's why I'm wondering if I have to finish a certain number of them to start the IC5 dungeons |
| 07:36.55 | Jerub | i tried to trade with someone in icecrown once. we ended up both flying down to WG just so we could see each other. |
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| 07:37.29 | Amarande | (not to mention apparently I have to do a fair amount of IC5 in order to start the Quel'Delar quests) |
| 07:39.29 | cogwheel | erm... is cogwheel.info inaccessible? |
| 07:39.33 | Fisker- | i still want shadowmourne :( |
| 07:40.37 | Fisker- | doesn't work here cogwheel |
| 07:40.42 | Fisker- | your site sucks :( |
| 07:40.54 | zenzio | also just "looking up" here |
| 07:41.02 | Amarande | Fisker: I can't use Shadowmourne on my main, so meh :( |
| 07:41.06 | Fisker- | :)! |
| 07:41.27 | Amarande | I wonder how many warriors are going to respec Arms come 3.3 in order to lay claim to Shadowmourne, though |
| 07:41.54 | Amarande | btw, do you think it's going to be this week? |
| 07:41.59 | Fisker- | naw |
| 07:42.04 | Fisker- | hopefully next week |
| 07:42.17 | Jerub | so will EoT rain from the sky come 3.3? |
| 07:42.20 | Fisker- | btw |
| 07:42.25 | Jerub | or is it just 2 per heroic? |
| 07:42.30 | Fisker- | do you get shadow's edge from a boss or from a quest? :o |
| 07:42.50 | zenzio | Amarande: Titan's Grip lulz |
| 07:43.00 | zenzio | is horrible at DPS |
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| 07:43.29 | Amarande | zenzio: yick, I thought Titan's Grip sucked now? |
| 07:43.56 | zenzio | points to his last statement |
| 07:44.04 | zenzio | I've been prot since I hit 60 |
| 07:44.06 | Amarande | or required so much additional HR that DPS itemization suffers too much, in any case |
| 07:44.16 | zenzio | by alternative spec is blank |
| 07:44.20 | zenzio | *mu |
| 07:44.21 | zenzio | *my... |
| 07:45.12 | Fisker- | zenzio :) |
| 07:45.18 | Thunder_Child | you win the TC award for typing today zenzio |
| 07:45.21 | Thunder_Child | gratz |
| 07:45.47 | zenzio | \o/ |
| 07:45.57 | Amarande | thank god haris pilton's new bag is stupidly expensive |
| 07:46.10 | Amarande | one thing that pissed me off about the 22's when LK first came out |
| 07:46.26 | Amarande | was that basically there was no way any tailors were going to make and put up glacial bags for a LONG while to come |
| 07:47.02 | Amarande | I presume we'll probably see tailoring 24's in Cata, but with a 3000g price tag on the vendor ones, there's actually some hope for them to be worth making before the expansion is almost over. :) |
| 07:47.39 | Amarande | ok, also regarding IC5 |
| 07:47.48 | zenzio | Super-Mooncloth Bag |
| 07:47.57 | Amarande | do you get attunement to the second and third instances simply by killing the final boss of the first and second instance |
| 07:48.04 | Amarande | or do you have to pick up a special quest to kill each boss first? |
| 07:48.11 | Fisker- | i want my damn backpack upgrade |
| 07:48.58 | zenzio | http://failblog.org/2009/11/29/theft-fail-2/ |
| 07:49.34 | Fisker- | old fail |
| 07:49.44 | Amarande | heroic mode: individual per boss. |
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| 07:50.01 | Amarande | um, please tell me you can't get the light of dawn title by cheesing your way through all the other bosses on normal mode and then only switching on heroic for lich king :| |
| 07:50.43 | zenzio | don't think you can |
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| 07:53.02 | Amarande | hahah ... |
| 07:53.14 | Amarande | "Still, he should've seen the "Do Not Eat" label." -- Heliotrope, Wowhead, in reference to [Primordial Saronite] |
| 07:53.59 | NightHawkTheSane | anyone who actually has read what blizzard has posted and not made spurious claims would know that the lich king encounter can't be done on heroic without several other encounters being defeated on heroic first. |
| 07:54.02 | Amarande | and yes, once patch hits it will rain triumph badges. |
| 07:54.11 | Amarande | Night: ah. |
| 07:54.35 | Amarande | I've so far only started looking through the notes as posted on wowhead, which mentioned that the IC10/25 heroic mode is togglable per boss |
| 07:56.31 | Amarande | mmmm http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=49890 squee |
| 07:57.35 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder if this rep means that Cata is going to be further into the future rather than sooner |
| 07:57.55 | Amarande | since servers will need to be allowed time for people to actually get the rep with ashen verdict to actually be able to make these things |
| 07:59.00 | Amarande | 3.3 is definitely a squee-worthy patch though. |
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| 07:59.50 | NightHawkTheSane | again, anyone who's actually read the posted material will already realize that the gated nature of icecrown's content means that the final encounters will not open for likely several months after release. |
| 08:01.35 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, I'd bet actual money that part of IC's gated nature is because they're stalling for time to finish Cataclysm. |
| 08:01.56 | Thunder_Child | i'd take that bet |
| 08:02.01 | Thunder_Child | and then your money |
| 08:02.07 | Fisker- | robotusch: |
| 08:02.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: without a doubt, but i also think it was done intentionally to really give everyone a chance to experience the content before jumping into cataclysm |
| 08:02.10 | Fisker- | du er nub |
| 08:02.27 | ZorbaBeta | whoa, 24-slotters on Haris Pilton? |
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| 08:02.36 | Amarande | you know, with all the awesomeness they keep adding into LK |
| 08:02.43 | Amarande | I get this sinking feeling cata is going to be an anticlimax. :| |
| 08:03.22 | Amarande | zorba: yup. |
| 08:03.22 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, I dunno, it's the major game redesign I'm looking forward to |
| 08:03.29 | Amarande | if you're fool enough to spend 3000g on one |
| 08:03.37 | ZorbaBeta | hmmm, I can buy three sets right now |
| 08:03.38 | Amarande | and I don't think I saw a new achievement to go with that one either |
| 08:03.42 | Amarande | dude |
| 08:03.44 | Amarande | HOW MUCH GOLD DO YOU HAVE?! |
| 08:03.46 | NightHawkTheSane | i imagine a lot of people have more than 3k just sitting around doing nothing |
| 08:03.52 | ZorbaBeta | about 36k ;) |
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| 08:04.27 | NightHawkTheSane | its fairly late in the expansion cyccle, people who're smart, and have played the whole time have probably made all the BIG purchases they care to, and are just building up money at this point |
| 08:04.30 | ZorbaBeta | I've cut back on my business until 3.3, I'm a bit worried about what 3.3 is going to do to the economy |
| 08:04.50 | ZorbaBeta | and yeah, there's about six things I'd care to spend money on right now |
| 08:04.58 | ZorbaBeta | one of them is the hyacinth macaw, and the others are all CCG mounts. |
| 08:05.02 | NightHawkTheSane | shit, i'm not even terribly good at making money and i have 16-18k floating around right now |
| 08:06.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i need to make more money, though. >< |
| 08:07.06 | Amarande | like I said, I hope that 3000g price means that when cata comes out and tailors presumably get 24 slot bags, they can actually sell a bag sometime within the first few months of expansion |
| 08:07.29 | Amarande | the glacial bags just weren't worth making for sale for a long time, otoh |
| 08:08.13 | ZorbaBeta | it obviously depends on how tough the cataclysmic bags are to make |
| 08:08.28 | ZorbaBeta | they might end up even pricier than that |
| 08:08.58 | Amarande | yeah, this is assuming blizzard actually wants people to be able to make money off professions |
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| 08:09.10 | NightHawkTheSane | it depends on a lot of variables we really dont know |
| 08:09.38 | NightHawkTheSane | how/if gold inflates, the mats used, and the relative rarity & value thereof, etc. |
| 08:10.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i seriously doubt you can even begin to speculate about the cataclysm economy at this point. |
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| 08:11.14 | Amarande | well, I was able to speculate correctly before LK came out that the Glacial Bag would not be worth even making for oneself for a long time |
| 08:11.36 | Amarande | (because there was absolutely NO WAY that amount of cooldown cloth could be worth less than the 1200g Haris was charging for the same size bags) |
| 08:11.41 | NightHawkTheSane | sure, after you knew the materials. |
| 08:11.49 | NightHawkTheSane | you dont know the materials for anything in cata right now. |
| 08:12.07 | NightHawkTheSane | and even your correct speculation was pretty much just a lucky guess. |
| 08:13.24 | Amarande | I remember there being a hefty dose of QQ regarding that fact around 3.0, too |
| 08:13.40 | Amarande | tailors basically insisting that one of their few profitable outlets was being taken from them and given to an NPC |
| 08:14.00 | Amarande | Night: is it Blizzard's ideal that professions NOT be an ideal source of income? |
| 08:14.02 | NightHawkTheSane | people will bitch about evrything. thats no gauge. |
| 08:14.13 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont know. i'm not employed by blizzard. |
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| 08:17.47 | ZorbaBeta | I don't think Blizzard is terribly concerned about profession profitability at this point |
| 08:18.15 | ZorbaBeta | I think they consider it, by and large, a factor that is not gameplay-affecting |
| 08:19.07 | zenzio | "Anyone using or advocating the use of Drupal or Joomla cannot be considered a "professional" in any sense of the word." |
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| 08:20.32 | Fisker- | hey ZorbaLazyGit :( |
| 08:22.19 | ZorbaBeta | yo |
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| 08:23.30 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: pretty much. i suspect the ability to make money (or not) with a profession is a non-issue for blizzard, and they're pretty much just concerned with making useful crafted gear, and balancing the self-only perks. |
| 08:24.09 | ZorbaBeta | night, pretty much, yep. I think they assume supply/demand will take care of the rest for them, one way or another. |
| 08:24.14 | ZorbaBeta | which, honestly, they're right about. |
| 08:24.27 | NightHawkTheSane | more or less, yeah |
| 08:24.54 | NightHawkTheSane | it's an economic conservative's wet dream. :P |
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| 08:25.01 | ZorbaBeta | hmm I need to level up my death knight before cataclysm hits |
| 08:25.07 | ZorbaBeta | gotta be ready for the next level of enchanting |
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| 08:25.47 | Fisker- | how is QH going to work with the 3.3 quest tracking stuff? |
| 08:25.48 | NightHawkTheSane | in any case, off to sleep. |
| 08:25.54 | Fisker- | die NightHawkTheSane |
| 08:25.59 | Fisker- | i mean night |
| 08:26.31 | ZorbaBeta | fisker, I'm pretty much not changing anything. the 3.3 quest tracking stuff can be disabled, and questhelper can be disabled, and the 3.3 APIs are pretty much worthless for questhelper |
| 08:26.41 | Fisker- | :o |
| 08:27.04 | ZorbaBeta | the only thing I *could* add is a similar "click on the names" deal to highlight objectives for each quest, but I'm not sure anyone uses QH like that, and it'd be some work and interfere with the 3.3 system. |
| 08:27.13 | Amarande | zenzio: what do you suggest people should suggest using if they want to be called site professionals then? |
| 08:27.17 | Amarande | MediaWiki? :) |
| 08:27.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: gladly.. to die, to sleep; to sleep: perchance to dream: aye, there's the rub; for in that sleep of death what dreams may come, when we have shuffled off this mortal coil must give us pause. |
| 08:28.17 | NightHawkTheSane | forgot a comma. |
| 08:28.22 | NightHawkTheSane | oh well. night. |
| 08:28.31 | zenzio | Amarande: notice how I was quoting another source |
| 08:28.40 | zenzio | was from a "discussion" on Slashdot |
| 08:30.21 | Amarande | linky? |
| 08:30.44 | zenzio | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/11/29/2133243/G-WAN-Another-Free-Web-Server |
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| 08:34.28 | Fisker- | Wobinmen |
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| 08:56.55 | Fisker- | haste |
| 08:56.56 | Fisker- | tag mig |
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| 09:02.57 | Fisker- | Cide haste don't want me :( |
| 09:04.06 | Shirik | what's the opposite of supporter? |
| 09:04.15 | Shirik | critic? Or does that have too positive of a connotation? |
| 09:06.01 | Fisker- | unsupporter! |
| 09:06.44 | Kalroth | Shiibot: opposer |
| 09:06.52 | Kalroth | er |
| 09:06.56 | Kalroth | Shirik: opposer |
| 09:06.57 | Kalroth | :p |
| 09:07.21 | Shirik | opponent |
| 09:07.22 | Shirik | that is good |
| 09:07.22 | Shirik | <3 |
| 09:07.53 | airtonix | rebel scum |
| 09:08.56 | Shirik | "After Henderson published the letter on his website, it rapidly became an internet phenomenon and a symbol for opponents of teaching of intelligent design in public schools." |
| 09:08.58 | Shirik | does that sound good? |
| 09:09.05 | Fisker- | you wouldn't have sex with a goat |
| 09:09.10 | Fisker- | that sounds good |
| 09:11.09 | Kalroth | Shirik: Yup |
| 09:11.20 | Fisker- | i disagree Kalroth |
| 09:11.23 | airtonix | of teaching of ? |
| 09:11.26 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 09:12.03 | Fisker- | lose the last of imo :o |
| 09:12.09 | Shirik | oh |
| 09:12.13 | Shirik | I took out one word but not two |
| 09:12.17 | Shirik | yes the second "of" needs to go |
| 09:12.22 | Shirik | or |
| 09:12.23 | airtonix | and a symbol for those who would oppose the teachings of intelligent design within public schools |
| 09:12.24 | Shirik | hm |
| 09:12.48 | Kalroth | "would oppose" sounds like there aren't any now :p |
| 09:13.06 | airtonix | did/would/could/might do |
| 09:13.12 | Fisker- | yeah opponents is fine to me |
| 09:13.13 | Shirik | for those who oppose ...? |
| 09:13.33 | Shirik | "for opponents against teaching intelligent design in public schools" ? |
| 09:13.39 | Fisker- | alright as well i guess :o |
| 09:13.44 | Kalroth | opponent: One that opposes another or others in a battle, contest, controversy, or debate. |
| 09:14.26 | Kalroth | I like the last sentence, Shirik |
| 09:14.52 | Kalroth | eg. I prefer "opponents" over "oppose" :p |
| 09:15.07 | airtonix | its gut elctrolytes! |
| 09:16.53 | Shirik | MORE LYTES THAN YOUR BODY HAS ROOM FOR |
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| 09:18.02 | Fisker- | hvad skal man gøre hvis man har knopper på den Kalroth ? |
| 09:18.12 | msoul | nej! |
| 09:18.39 | Kalroth | Fisker: watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd0C_Us31kk twice and they will go away |
| 09:19.01 | Fisker- | nooooo |
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| 09:26.24 | Fisker- | i am a sick person Kalroth |
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| 09:30.07 | Fisker- | i really should be stopped |
| 09:31.28 | olafski | requiescat in pace mmbop :( |
| 09:33.40 | Wobin | vive le dip-a-dop |
| 09:33.42 | Amarande | olafski, if I meet you in a BG, my first immo/conflag combo has your name on it :P |
| 09:33.50 | Amarande | like ... |
| 09:33.53 | Amarande | DISCO |
| 09:33.56 | Amarande | is better than hanson. |
| 09:33.57 | Amarande | :| |
| 09:34.16 | Amarande | hell ... Miley Cyrus is better than Hanson. |
| 09:34.25 | Kalroth | she's also legal now! |
| 09:34.26 | Fisker- | Amarande |
| 09:34.41 | Fisker- | since you're a warlock you must know that comic with the warlock and the paladin |
| 09:34.46 | Fisker- | Where the warlock is like "immolate" |
| 09:34.49 | Amarande | nope, actually I don't |
| 09:34.51 | olafski | tough chance of that happening amarande :P |
| 09:34.53 | Fisker- | and the paladin is like "lol dispel" |
| 09:35.01 | Amarande | olafski: yeah, you're probably not in my battlegroup heh |
| 09:35.05 | Fisker- | but then the warlock is like "lol death coil" and the whole world explodes |
| 09:35.06 | Fisker- | ~ |
| 09:35.12 | olafski | I'm likely not even in your zone amarande ;) |
| 09:35.26 | Amarande | however, that aside |
| 09:35.29 | olafski | man I logged my 2 "rare raptor checkers" and both of them had a raptor spawned in front of their face |
| 09:35.34 | olafski | lucky day |
| 09:35.46 | Amarande | Hanson was one of the most terrible pieces of sell out crap ever to grace so-called "music" store shelves |
| 09:35.55 | olafski | hahaha |
| 09:36.02 | olafski | I just wanted a reason to write some latin |
| 09:36.08 | olafski | I don't really care about hanson |
| 09:36.24 | olafski | but I also really despise it when people think selling out is a bad thing :P |
| 09:36.39 | Amarande | we used to have people in channels I went to years ago that would randomly say 'mmmbop' |
| 09:36.42 | Amarande | we pointed at them and laughed. |
| 09:36.50 | Amarande | olafski: well, it is. |
| 09:37.00 | Amarande | at least in one of its more common forms |
| 09:37.10 | Amarande | see, there's two things commonly thought of as selling out |
| 09:37.17 | olafski | amarande: well, "it is" an opinion |
| 09:37.55 | Amarande | it's one thing if you happen to make something that you wanted to make, that turns out to be total win and everyone likes it and you get popular and make tons of money off of what was a neat idea anyway |
| 09:38.02 | olafski | I really don't care about the explanation |
| 09:38.09 | olafski | it's your opinion, not a fact, and I heartily disagree :P |
| 09:38.18 | Fisker- | http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7996/unparalulskilljpeg.jpg <-there it is |
| 09:38.25 | Amarande | otoh, if you let yourself be goaded into making insipid mass market joe sixpack oriented BS simply because that will get you more money than making what would have been win, then you sold out, and that sucks. |
| 09:38.48 | Amarande | olafski: you're saying that it's actually *better* to make things based on market research and to target joe sixpack than it is to make the next great work? |
| 09:38.48 | olafski | amarande: tl;dr |
| 09:39.16 | olafski | disagreeing does not mean I think it's _better_ |
| 09:39.19 | olafski | I just don't think it's bad |
| 09:39.36 | olafski | it's their life, they can do with it what they want |
| 09:39.43 | olafski | if I had a foolproof way to get rich I would most definitely take it |
| 09:40.07 | Amarande | olafski: even if it meant abandoning making the awesome thing you wanted to and instead making a piece of crap that only slightly resembles it? |
| 09:40.20 | olafski | _most_ definitely |
| 09:40.22 | Amarande | or do I over-value creativity? |
| 09:40.39 | olafski | if I had a ton of money I could do what I wanted to do initially anyway |
| 09:40.42 | olafski | nobody would take me seriously.. |
| 09:40.47 | Amarande | olafski: depends |
| 09:40.59 | olafski | but that's not the point is it, it would be my creative work etc, not that I really care about that, I care about money ;p |
| 09:41.01 | Shirik | Fisker- that is you no? |
| 09:41.05 | ZorbaBeta | I would say that following your dreams is better than following your wallet. |
| 09:41.06 | Amarande | one, you may not be allowed to anymore |
| 09:41.08 | Shirik | SKILLLLLLLLLLLLLLL |
| 09:41.13 | Fisker- | naw |
| 09:41.16 | Fisker- | i'm pala :( |
| 09:41.17 | ZorbaBeta | but if someone's dreams is money, then, hey |
| 09:41.19 | ZorbaBeta | more power to ya. |
| 09:41.31 | Amarande | two, half the people who would have loved the thing will just think "well, that sell out made another thing" |
| 09:41.33 | olafski | money as a means to an end :) |
| 09:41.34 | Amarande | look what happened to metallica |
| 09:41.46 | Amarande | a lot of people won't even listen to the good stuff on more recent metallica stuff |
| 09:41.53 | Amarande | because they have that much of a rep as sell outs |
| 09:42.06 | olafski | amarande: and.. that is those people's loss, not metallica's :) |
| 09:42.10 | olafski | I still listen to metallica |
| 09:42.15 | olafski | even though I generally don't even like metal |
| 09:42.30 | Amarande | olafski: do you agree that their older stuff was their best, though? |
| 09:42.36 | olafski | it's become trendy to hate metallica, so everybody does it :) |
| 09:42.39 | olafski | yeah generally |
| 09:42.43 | olafski | their latest album has a few nice songs |
| 09:42.44 | Amarande | see, that's the thing |
| 09:42.47 | Amarande | they used to make really awesome stuff |
| 09:42.50 | olafski | I didn't really like st anger |
| 09:42.57 | Amarande | and then they tried to appeal more to the mass market, and their stuff stopped being as good |
| 09:43.02 | olafski | but if they release a new album I will still listen to all of the songs at least once |
| 09:43.16 | olafski | their stuff stopped being as good to the people who liked them in the past, perhaps |
| 09:43.25 | Amarande | then there was the napster lawsuit, which, given the kind of personality a lot of people who would be into older metallica probably have, pretty much served as a big "fuck you" to such people |
| 09:43.25 | olafski | I'd say they are still quite popular |
| 09:43.59 | olafski | well, nobody said you should keep appealing to the same fanbase all the time |
| 09:44.13 | olafski | if they want to expand their fanbase and that means losing a couple of people, np to me ;) |
| 09:44.21 | Amarande | I've also seen cases where media companies have done stuff that amounts, quite likely, to a direct attempt to not only seek a new fanbase, but to actively kill off their old fanbase as well |
| 09:44.23 | olafski | hell they even sold out to neversoft (or was it activision? or both?) |
| 09:44.41 | Amarande | I have to wonder if child safety might be involved in that in a way though :| |
| 09:44.42 | olafski | (and I love them for it) |
| 09:44.54 | Amarande | I'm thinking in particular of the way Icon Books is handling the Fighting Fantasy series now |
| 09:45.04 | olafski | I have no idea what both of those are :P |
| 09:45.10 | Amarande | they seem to be trying to gear it to market to a new crop of the age that the books were originally targeted at, which would be younger teens I think |
| 09:45.32 | Amarande | however, most of the current fanbase is in their 20s-40s, since they got into the books in the 80s and 90s when they were themselves teens |
| 09:45.48 | Amarande | there have been some C&Ds issued by them against the more active parts of the fan community |
| 09:45.53 | olafski | that's marketing.. if they think they can make more money that way it's sort of their job to do it |
| 09:46.06 | Amarande | I wonder if it's not just copyright involved, but they feel it would create a safer community for the kids if they pushed away the older fans? |
| 09:46.50 | Amarande | I mean, if you were a parent, would you let your 13-15 year old join a site where you knew the majority of the users were 25+? A lot probably wouldn't. |
| 09:46.58 | Amarande | because they're afraid that that means pedobears are all over the place :P |
| 09:47.13 | Amarande | also: marketers suck |
| 09:47.20 | Amarande | when thinking of whether marketers are a good thing |
| 09:47.27 | Amarande | think of the sort of people who are responsible for all that spam in your inbox. :D |
| 09:47.31 | Fisker- | problem officer? |
| 09:48.35 | Amarande | ? |
| 09:49.15 | olafski | yeah that's a great way to reason.. "look those guys are doing it wrong so they must all suck" |
| 09:49.26 | Amarande | basically, I have to wonder if child safety would suggest that if you have something oriented towards kids, and the current fanbase mostly consists of adults who enjoyed that something when THEY were kids, it's a good idea to kill off your current fanbase before attempting to garner the new one |
| 09:49.44 | olafski | if your goal is to make money, then yes |
| 09:50.04 | Amarande | why not just keep your current fanbase and add the new one? |
| 09:50.07 | olafski | and I think I can pretty accurately guess whether that is their goal ;) |
| 09:50.31 | olafski | I'm sure they've thought about it |
| 09:50.40 | olafski | and you already answered it |
| 09:50.57 | Amarande | there can't be that many pedobears in the solo RPG fandom |
| 09:51.01 | Amarande | at least I haven't heard of any :P |
| 09:51.39 | Amarande | the more active members tend to be a fairly close-knit group, we'd know. |
| 09:51.46 | olafski | hm. is there no companion achievement for having 100 or so? |
| 09:51.54 | Amarande | olafski: think there's one for 100 |
| 09:51.59 | Amarande | but I can't remember off the top of my head |
| 09:52.00 | olafski | I don't see it :/ |
| 09:52.06 | Amarande | that may have been mounts |
| 09:52.26 | olafski | yeah it's 50 and then 100 for mounts |
| 09:52.39 | olafski | 50 and then 75 for pets.. but I would have thought there's 100 pets too, considering I have at least 20 more to go |
| 09:52.53 | Amarande | I wonder if there used to be one for 100 and it was nerfed to 75 |
| 09:53.12 | Amarande | I know the 50 mounts one was originally going to be 75 but they nerfed it |
| 09:53.38 | Amarande | mainly because it hadn't occurred to them to remove racial restrictions on mounts, so 75 at the time was expecting too much of tauren |
| 09:54.25 | olafski | +) |
| 09:54.30 | olafski | they should add 75 mounts too :( |
| 09:54.36 | Amarande | I guess you don't want to piss off the tauren faction |
| 09:54.38 | Fisker- | and 100 pets |
| 09:54.38 | olafski | 50 is so big a jump I'm hardly bothering with it |
| 09:54.42 | olafski | and 100 pets yeah |
| 09:54.45 | Amarande | especially with how many big raid guild MTs are tauren :P |
| 09:54.46 | Fisker- | and seriously implement mount scaling |
| 09:54.47 | Fisker- | please |
| 09:54.56 | olafski | not much point to keep collecting them now that I have the 75 pets achievement |
| 09:55.00 | olafski | though in cata they'll probably add 100 :) |
| 09:55.08 | Amarande | Fisker: you mean you want *every* mount to work like the halloween ones? |
| 09:55.17 | olafski | I'm missing 35 pets according to TheCollector |
| 09:55.33 | olafski | of course some of those I can't obtain but still |
| 09:55.35 | Fisker- | what halloween ones? |
| 09:55.43 | Amarande | Fisker: like the HH mount, which I'm pretty sure scales |
| 09:55.45 | Amarande | and the broom did, too |
| 09:56.31 | Fisker- | but yes kinda like that then |
| 09:57.04 | Amarande | speaking of halloween |
| 09:57.14 | Amarande | I'm still curious what's going to replace the southshore stuff next year |
| 09:57.21 | Amarande | since by then there won't be a southshore anymore |
| 09:57.39 | Amarande | (at least, I'm assuming cata will be out before next halloween) |
| 09:58.43 | Fisker- | well they're probably targeting spring |
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| 10:30.41 | Fisker- | you wouldn't disappoint a Fisker- |
| 10:33.25 | Shirik | I would |
| 10:34.30 | Shirik | but you wouldn't disappoint a Shirik, Fisker |
| 10:34.36 | Shirik | but Fisker- might |
| 10:37.18 | Fisker- | we both would |
| 10:38.53 | Shirik | nah |
| 10:39.05 | Shirik | you wouldn't slap a trout with a trout |
| 10:40.15 | Fisker- | but i would slap you with a trout |
| 10:40.23 | industrial | Anyone use KDE4? How do I change the keyboard layout? I'have this anoying european keyboard layout atm ... |
| 10:43.16 | airtonix | not running kde anymore |
| 10:43.43 | airtonix | although i'm pretty sure you'll find those options in the control center type thing |
| 10:45.16 | Fisker- | you wouldn't run kde |
| 10:46.02 | airtonix | this new meme escapes me |
| 10:46.21 | mitch0 | industrial: http://s10b.directupload.net/file/d/1699/e7gfmrdm_png.htm |
| 10:47.15 | Kalroth | airtonix: it's a fiskerfisker, not a meme |
| 10:47.46 | mitch0 | airtonix: it's the theme of a lame anti-piracy "commercial" in dvd intros |
| 10:50.23 | Fisker- | oh no you found out |
| 10:50.48 | airtonix | fisker.sales@ariaa.net.de |
| 10:51.14 | Fisker- | you wouldn't sell a Fisker- |
| 10:52.47 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.2.x ToC: 30200 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Birthday Esamynn! |
| 10:53.29 | Fisker- | you wouldn't wish Esamynn|Away a happy birthday |
| 10:54.19 | industrial | mitch0: ya got it (same google result :p) |
| 10:54.43 | Fisker- | anyone know how to open the start menu? |
| 10:54.54 | Fisker- | i'm liek "haaaaalp" |
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| 10:56.48 | mitch0 | ;) |
| 10:58.04 | industrial | Anyone know how to shove a truck up Fisker-'s ass? I'm liek "haaaaalp" |
| 11:00.20 | haste | Fisker: I was in a meeting! |
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| 11:30.48 | bleeter | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6671012/Man-with-sexual-fetish-for-slurry-jailed.html |
| 11:32.50 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
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| 11:38.10 | Kalroth | back to prison with you, Fisker |
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| 11:53.46 | Fisker | you wouldn't Shirik a jnwhiteh in Fisker |
| 11:57.49 | zenzio | wonders how Shirik became a verb |
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| 12:23.33 | haste | You wouldn't zenzio a Fisker's industrial ! |
| 12:26.58 | Fisker | i wouldn't haste a Kalroth's Cide |
| 12:31.24 | industrial | you wouldnt climb in a vat of manure Fisker ! |
| 12:31.55 | industrial | (or would you) |
| 12:53.38 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZeciX-3wfs&feature=player_embedded |
| 12:54.32 | Cairenn | lol |
| 12:55.15 | Trela | Hahahaha |
| 12:55.18 | Trela | NEIN! |
| 12:56.17 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bmhjf0rKe8&feature=player_embedded |
| 12:56.32 | Cairenn | rofl! |
| 12:57.26 | Trela | XD |
| 13:00.08 | Wobin | http://www.seriouseats.com/images/20091130-fleishersmeatstshirt.jpg |
| 13:00.10 | Wobin | sotrue =( |
| 13:00.28 | Sentri | is anyone of you Tuller from wowinterface? |
| 13:01.36 | Wobin | I'm Brian |
| 13:01.42 | Wobin | (and so's my wife) |
| 13:03.05 | Cairenn | ~seen tuller |
| 13:03.07 | purl | tuller <n=muffins@pool-72-84-246-12.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4d 11h 48m 3s ago, saying: 'give people gamer scores for reading'. |
| 13:03.37 | Sentri | hmmh well I wasn't sure if he had the sme nick in irc |
| 13:03.41 | Cairenn | in other words, he does come in here, but hasn't been in since last Thursday, so likely was off for the long weekend |
| 13:03.44 | Sentri | same |
| 13:03.50 | Sentri | ok |
| 13:03.57 | Cairenn | I know, just letting you know :) |
| 13:04.11 | Sentri | would've asked something about his addons |
| 13:04.26 | Cairenn | probably be back in some point today |
| 13:04.47 | Sentri | okay |
| 13:06.47 | Sentri | I wonder if I could use Tekkub's scrollframe script in my addon |
| 13:07.05 | Sentri | tekKonfig-Scroll |
| 13:07.16 | Sentri | it looks so amazing :P |
| 13:07.19 | Cairenn | pokes tek |
| 13:07.35 | Cairenn | hmmm, he's not in *shock* |
| 13:07.42 | Sentri | yeah I noticed that |
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| 13:22.25 | alestane | So, would have been nice if someone had mentioned there was a pre-Winter Break this year. |
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| 13:23.01 | Wobble | alestane, winter is well over! |
| 13:23.14 | alestane | In which hemisphere? |
| 13:23.20 | Wobin | mine |
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| 13:27.38 | Aelobin | anyone know how you get shadow's edge? |
| 13:30.30 | olafski | from the questline I'd say |
| 13:30.40 | olafski | I'm not sure where in the line you get it as a usable item though |
| 13:31.26 | olafski | I'm guessing (and this would be the coolest imo) that you get it after turning in 25 primordial saronite, festergut and rothide's thingys and arthas' old hammer; then you upgrade it by infusing it with the next few quests and finally upgrade it to shadowmourne |
| 13:31.54 | olafski | but it could also be that you get it at the last part of the quest, as in "here's shadow's edge, use it to gather 1000 souls" |
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| 13:32.13 | olafski | lopeppeppy: I got the toothpicks ;) |
| 13:34.02 | Aelobin | olafski: yeh i can't figure out if you get the 25 pri-saronite before or after you get shadows edge |
| 13:34.04 | Lopeppeppy | I think you're set for the experiment then. |
| 13:34.11 | olafski | aelobin: definitely before I'd say |
| 13:34.31 | olafski | aelobin: that quest more or less starts the chain.. so giving you shadow's edge before that would mean you could just talk to mograine and get a free epic weapon |
| 13:34.47 | olafski | lopeppeppy: aye, tomorrow is the time for me to test my baking prowess :) |
| 13:35.06 | Lopeppeppy | If it fails, don't feed it to the birds, too much sugar. |
| 13:35.25 | olafski | if it fails I'll stubbornly eat it anyway and try to smile while doing so ;) |
| 13:35.38 | Lopeppeppy | Buy more milk then. :) |
| 13:35.43 | olafski | hoping to finish off the theoretical part of my MSc thesis today, so there will be something to celebrate tomorrow ;) |
| 13:36.01 | olafski | hehe I always have at least 3 liters of milk in my fridge.. we go through about 1.5L per day between the two of us |
| 13:37.17 | olafski | aelobin: as far as I could tell, the only really limiting factor of shadowmourne is the 60 shadowfrost shards.. the rest can be bought with gold and pugged more or less, since as far as I see you don't even need hard modes for it |
| 13:38.26 | Aelobin | ` |
| 13:38.31 | Aelobin | oops >_< |
| 13:38.43 | Aelobin | yeh i that's what i was wondering |
| 13:39.14 | olafski | I wonder if every boss just drops a shard, or if it's a low chance to drop (e.g. something like fragments of val'anyr) |
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| 13:39.47 | Aelobin | but shadow's edge aint a bad weapon itself (until you get some ICC/shadowmourne ones) |
| 13:39.54 | Aelobin | so just wondering how easy it is to get |
| 13:39.59 | olafski | yer indeed :) |
| 13:40.03 | olafski | I was wondering the same |
| 13:40.19 | olafski | still don't think I'd want to pug icc25 but it's a nice option |
| 13:40.23 | olafski | I'll settle for quel'delar :) |
| 13:50.27 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/windows_paperclip.jpg |
| 13:50.41 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/happycat2.jpg |
| 13:50.57 | Cairenn | lol |
| 13:52.03 | Lopeppeppy | Purr! |
| 13:52.18 | zenzio_ | purrs along with Lopeppeppy |
| 13:52.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 13:52.51 | Adys | I've done the most impressive, geekiest and ever so awesomest thing in my entire life |
| 13:53.05 | Adys | right here, right now and it took me 2 hours |
| 13:53.29 | Lopeppeppy | hi, Adys? |
| 13:53.35 | Adys | my laptop hasn't been correctly booting the past weeks or so, i had no idea why. I was seeing a black screen 9 boots out of 10 |
| 13:54.28 | Adys | so I found out I could, with a few keystroke combinations, get a 640x480 screen where I could only see the cursor. the rest was black, and 3 quarters of the screen were invisible (couldn't even see the cursor) |
| 13:55.10 | Adys | at first i thought it was a bad entry into X but then I figured out that this was actually the login screen (kdm) |
| 13:55.30 | Adys | and since I could still type, even though I couldn't see what I was writing, I could still login |
| 13:55.49 | Adys | so I logged in, blind-typing and clicking my username/password inputs |
| 13:56.29 | Adys | and it actually logged in fine, even though I could only see my cursor on 1 quarter of the screen and nothing else behind it, i could figure out what i was doing by watching the changes of status on the cursor |
| 13:57.11 | Adys | i tested if i was online by firing up google-chrome gmail.com, and looking at the cursor while I was slowly moving it over links |
| 13:58.11 | olafski | you sure know how to build suspense :P |
| 13:58.14 | Adys | then I fired up a console, still blind, sudo apt-get update, enter, password, enter, sudo apt-get install gdm, enter, enter, wait 20 sec, enter, sudo purge kdm, enter, enter |
| 13:58.27 | Adys | rebooted, and I had changed the login screen to a non-shit one \o/ |
| 13:58.44 | Adys | Another job well done. |
| 13:58.47 | mitch0 | init 1 ... |
| 13:58.58 | olafski | couldn't you have ssh'd to the laptop? |
| 13:59.47 | mitch0 | kids nowadays don't even know there is a world out there without X :) |
| 13:59.49 | Adys | this is my only comp here |
| 13:59.51 | Adys | I'm on hol |
| 13:59.53 | Lopeppeppy | I'd have wiped the bastard days ago |
| 14:00.03 | Adys | mitch0: I couldn't access any kind of console |
| 14:00.09 | Adys | if I did, screen blacked out |
| 14:00.17 | Adys | you think I didn't try? ive been with this over 3 weeks :P |
| 14:00.27 | olafski | ,) |
| 14:00.34 | Kalroth | no wonder you've been so quiet lately! |
| 14:00.38 | mitch0 | adys: you should've booted in x-less mode |
| 14:00.45 | Adys | I tried, same thing happened |
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| 14:00.49 | Adys | I'm not stupid :P |
| 14:01.00 | mitch0 | yes you are, but maybe not for this specific reason :P |
| 14:01.28 | Adys | I also had a live cd which I tried booting from, however ive no ethernet cable and my wifi doesn't work in there |
| 14:02.10 | Lopeppeppy | owch |
| 14:02.14 | Adys | this is intel's fault, by the way |
| 14:02.24 | Adys | shitty drivers ftl |
| 14:03.00 | olafski | so did you also figure out why it would boot with a black screen? |
| 14:03.06 | olafski | or was that the part that's intel's fault |
| 14:03.25 | Adys | kdm has a bad interaction with intel drivers, thats all i know |
| 14:03.41 | nevcairiel | kdm never worked properly for me, fwiw |
| 14:03.45 | Adys | Yeah |
| 14:03.48 | nevcairiel | fail login manager |
| 14:03.58 | Adys | I had tons of problems with kdm before but this takes the piss for once and for all |
| 14:06.14 | mitch0 | adys: kdm shouldn't even run if you boot into console mode |
| 14:06.24 | Adys | I know that |
| 14:06.27 | Adys | but it did |
| 14:06.39 | Adys | wanna find out why since you're feeling smart? because I couldnt figure it out |
| 14:06.41 | mitch0 | dunno if the card could stay in a bad state even after a reboot |
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| 14:07.33 | Kraps | "There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full." - Henry A. Kissinger |
| 14:07.37 | mitch0 | if it _can_ stay borked across a reboot, booting up from a live cd (that puts it right) then rebooting in console mode _should_ work |
| 14:08.20 | Adys | I tried that too |
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| 14:09.25 | mitch0 | maybe the kdm package installs some stupid kernel module |
| 14:09.29 | mitch0 | *shrug( |
| 14:09.39 | mitch0 | I'm about to install freebsd anyway :) |
| 14:12.46 | Vlakarados | who can recommend some light raid frames that don't take up space? preferably oUF? |
| 14:13.18 | Adys | pb4 |
| 14:13.35 | mitch0 | pb4 is light? |
| 14:13.44 | Vlakarados | pitbull? no.. |
| 14:13.56 | Vlakarados | and no to grid |
| 14:13.57 | Lopeppeppy | I've used PerfectRaid and sRaidFrames with grand success in the past. |
| 14:14.18 | nevcairiel | oUF and mad lua skillz will get you light frames =p |
| 14:14.21 | Lopeppeppy | if you want oUF, why not code them yourself, I understand that's what oUF is for? |
| 14:14.56 | Vlakarados | yeah, but I don't want to invent bicycles :) |
| 14:15.21 | nevcairiel | well then invent a raidframe! |
| 14:15.34 | Vlakarados | Lopeppeppy both of them do take too much space :( |
| 14:15.51 | nevcairiel | space? as in screen space? |
| 14:15.55 | Vlakarados | yes |
| 14:16.00 | Lopeppeppy | Scale them down? |
| 14:16.05 | nevcairiel | you know, you can usually just make them smaller |
| 14:16.19 | Adys | http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/1546.png |
| 14:16.33 | Lopeppeppy | I have a good sized monitor, I actually scale them up a notch, but that's just me. :) |
| 14:16.39 | Vlakarados | not an option, every frame I make smaller makes it's text unreadable |
| 14:16.52 | nevcairiel | who needs text :) |
| 14:17.02 | Adys | Shirik: are you ever gonna fix that font bug so i can get working again >.> |
| 14:17.14 | Vlakarados | I do, but I like it to be tiny :) |
| 14:17.17 | nevcairiel | besides, you end up with something like Grid then, where the name doesnt even fit on the freaking frames anymore! |
| 14:17.19 | olafski | how about SUF? |
| 14:18.14 | Vlakarados | nevcairiel yeah, that's why I don't want to use Grid :) |
| 14:18.25 | Vlakarados | olafski is it shadowUF ? |
| 14:18.28 | Lopeppeppy | Vlakarados, change the font then. :) |
| 14:18.34 | nevcairiel | How do you expect a frame to be tiny and still have space for the name? |
| 14:18.37 | nevcairiel | that doesnt make sense |
| 14:18.40 | olafski | vlakarados: yes |
| 14:18.56 | olafski | vlakarados: I changed my normal unitframes to SUF (from xperl) a few days ago and like them |
| 14:19.03 | olafski | afaik there is a raid/grid module for it too |
| 14:19.13 | olafski | there's a small writeup about them on mmo-champion.com |
| 14:20.32 | Vlakarados | yeah, read it |
| 14:20.48 | Vlakarados | *I've |
| 14:21.01 | Adys | http://www.tackfilm.se/en/?id=1259537267131RA54 |
| 14:21.03 | Adys | wtf? |
| 14:21.04 | Adys | WTF? |
| 14:21.06 | Vlakarados | looks like making my own is the only possible way.. |
| 14:21.07 | Lopeppeppy | There you go then, you've got some recommendations for unit frames to try. |
| 14:21.59 | Adys | Wtf, can things get any creepier |
| 14:22.23 | Vlakarados | well, maybe someone could recommend me a good font archieve, where I can find font's that support different languages? |
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| 14:22.49 | olafski | adys: that one rocks ;p |
| 14:23.07 | Adys | Yeah no this site is creepy as hell |
| 14:23.48 | olafski | :D |
| 14:23.49 | Adys | headache |
| 14:23.54 | olafski | they chose a nice picture |
| 14:24.38 | Adys | no its even creepier with this one |
| 14:25.35 | Lopeppeppy | Vlakarados, use the Shared Media library for WoW. It's all in there. :) |
| 14:25.36 | Adys | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/216.html |
| 14:26.09 | Vlakarados | yes, but there are no cyrilic-supporting fonts |
| 14:26.26 | Vlakarados | and what I'm trying to find is a compact font :) |
| 14:26.26 | Adys | http://www.stonemakerargument.com/6.html |
| 14:26.29 | Lopeppeppy | Then go do your own happy-fun web search? |
| 14:26.38 | nevcairiel | because noone uses cyrilic in the modern world :d |
| 14:26.47 | Vlakarados | that's what I'm doing) |
| 14:26.59 | Vlakarados | nevcairiel well tell that to blizzard |
| 14:27.18 | Lopeppeppy | You can import any font into WoW if you follow the directions -- rename it to the standard WoW fonts. That doesn't mean it will look nice or display well, but it's your headache. |
| 14:29.58 | olafski | giggle at the last comic :P |
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| 14:35.09 | Adys | throws his bones at Shirik |
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| 15:33.17 | Ackis | methinks I'm an asshole http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/2017-i-paid-in-advance/ |
| 15:33.28 | olafski | was the link really necessary? |
| 15:34.05 | Ackis | ouch |
| 15:34.07 | Ackis | :P |
| 15:34.21 | olafski | :D |
| 15:35.26 | olafski | I like you though :( |
| 15:35.31 | olafski | even though you gave me H1N1 |
| 15:35.48 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis... be nice. His grammar sucks but it's a very legitimate complaint. |
| 15:35.57 | Lopeppeppy | not like the crappy "OMG hax" tickets you get. |
| 15:36.02 | Ackis | I have no idea what tks and ck is? |
| 15:36.04 | olafski | I think ck means check |
| 15:36.05 | Ackis | I think ck might be check |
| 15:36.08 | Ackis | tks is what? |
| 15:36.09 | olafski | but dunno what tks is |
| 15:36.19 | olafski | tku even |
| 15:36.23 | olafski | "thank you" perhaps? |
| 15:36.24 | Kraps | ktksbai |
| 15:36.32 | Kraps | hes doing it rong |
| 15:36.43 | olafski | I would have put "tku" at the end of the ticket ;) |
| 15:36.53 | Lopeppeppy | thanks |
| 15:36.57 | Lopeppeppy | thank you |
| 15:37.15 | olafski | yeh |
| 15:37.16 | Ackis | either way he didn't provide enough info to actually deal with the issue, nor did he go about the right channel :P |
| 15:37.18 | olafski | now you know ackis! |
| 15:37.21 | Kraps | also why can anyone see tickets? |
| 15:37.41 | Lopeppeppy | You could tell him that, and give him the right channel. |
| 15:37.44 | olafski | they're generally bugreports about curse or curse client I think kraps |
| 15:37.50 | olafski | not account-specific stuff |
| 15:37.50 | Ackis | the tickets are for development of bug reports on CurseForge |
| 15:37.58 | Kraps | ah |
| 15:38.02 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I'm doing one better :P |
| 15:38.13 | Ackis | tks |
| 15:38.15 | Ackis | :P |
| 15:38.16 | Kraps | so its the wrong channel |
| 15:39.29 | Ackis | just has to wait til the curse people who can handle the issue wake up. |
| 15:39.34 | Ackis | BRYAN |
| 15:39.36 | Ackis | BRYAN! |
| 15:39.45 | Ackis | I almost did the 3 in a row! |
| 15:40.09 | robotusch | :? |
| 15:40.26 | Ackis | say something 3x in a row |
| 15:40.41 | robotusch | :O |
| 15:40.45 | olafski | is there an achievement for that? |
| 15:40.47 | Ackis | something identical |
| 15:40.53 | Ackis | olafski: yup! |
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| 15:48.34 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: check out my fb profile, I shared something super cute |
| 15:48.55 | Seerah | I don't get to look? :( |
| 15:49.07 | Ackis | oh I dind't know you were around :P |
| 15:49.08 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:49.15 | Ackis | you can look too :D |
| 15:49.20 | Lopeppeppy | Cannot watch videos at work, Ackis, but maybe later on! |
| 15:49.21 | Seerah | cries |
| 15:49.29 | Ackis | ~comfort Seerah |
| 15:49.30 | purl | There, there, Seerah. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:49.33 | Ackis | huggles Seerah |
| 15:49.44 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: aww well it's something to look forward to then eh? |
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| 15:53.53 | Aelobin | can you bind the windows key in wow? |
| 15:55.27 | Seerah | I....'m not sure... have you tried? |
| 15:55.47 | Seerah | though it wouldn't surprise me if you can't |
| 15:57.10 | Lopeppeppy | I would guess "no", same with the apple key. |
| 15:57.43 | olafski | yeah probably not |
| 15:57.54 | olafski | unless you first bind it to something else using your keyboard drivers |
| 16:02.15 | Kraps | "ThE uLtiMatE ClaSSic MovIeS thReAd - iN hIGh DeFinAtIoN" |
| 16:02.20 | Kraps | WHY |
| 16:04.58 | Lopeppeppy | to give you a migraine |
| 16:05.54 | cog|work | bonjour tout le monde |
| 16:06.13 | cog|work | spanks Esamynn|Away |
| 16:06.29 | Lopeppeppy | is jealous. |
| 16:06.43 | cog|work | spanks Lopeppeppy in a non-birthday-y way |
| 16:07.11 | Kraps | eh, i thought monday was the end of steams deals |
| 16:07.19 | Lopeppeppy | Spointed rotten! |
| 16:07.30 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, perhaps they mean to run them through today. It's cyber monday, after all. |
| 16:09.36 | alestane | I had not realized how many of these had been produced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qj8PhxSnhg |
| 16:12.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, there are apparently quite a few. |
| 16:15.14 | zenzelezz | I really wish this band wouldn't have called themselves "The Cumshots". It just looks wrong to see the message "<names of friends> are attending The Cumshots" on Facebook |
| 16:16.27 | nevcairiel | Facebook is wrong, nuf said |
| 16:16.54 | Lopeppeppy | wrong is only have 3 AA batteries for my christmas lights. :( |
| 16:17.17 | Lopeppeppy | *having. Peppy can spell. |
| 16:17.42 | nevcairiel | All of our lights run on power from an outlet |
| 16:17.59 | Ackis | adds nevcairiel to facebook. |
| 16:18.00 | Lopeppeppy | I'm at work, I have a little battery powered set for my desk. Quite cute. |
| 16:18.16 | nevcairiel | I bet they have it for USB too these days |
| 16:18.20 | Lopeppeppy | college frowns on holiday decorations, but these are quite tiny |
| 16:18.43 | Ackis | I have a small USB powered Christmas tree |
| 16:19.21 | nevcairiel | I should get one of those USB rocket launchers and launch it at Ackis |
| 16:19.39 | Ackis | aim for the eyes at least |
| 16:21.46 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 16:22.44 | alestane | Blinkies! |
| 16:23.04 | alestane | Wow, that came out really wrong with the extra context, htere. |
| 16:23.07 | alestane | there* |
| 16:23.20 | Ackis | hey if I get blinded, it means I get at least a day off from this hell I work in |
| 16:23.22 | Lopeppeppy | Went up yesterday, excep the bedroom stuff. *winks* |
| 16:23.32 | Lopeppeppy | I have no suspension system in there, I have to think about it. |
| 16:24.38 | Ackis | why is icanhascheeseburger my best rss feed I have? |
| 16:24.49 | Lopeppeppy | Because you're not reading the ones I am? |
| 16:24.49 | alestane | Define "best". |
| 16:25.12 | Ackis | it makes me smile, laugh and go "awwwww" |
| 16:25.14 | Lopeppeppy | Cute Overload, There I Fixed It, Not Always Right, PhotoShop Disasters, Two Lumps. |
| 16:25.34 | Fisker | i am disappoint Lopeppeppy |
| 16:25.35 | Ackis | do those beat: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/funny-pictures-kitten-rides-turtle.jpg ? |
| 16:25.45 | alestane | I has Peppy on RSS feed, but it doesn't work. I have to read ehr directly. |
| 16:25.48 | alestane | her* |
| 16:25.54 | Lopeppeppy | Those are the ones that I think Ackis will like, Fisker. |
| 16:26.06 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I think that's because all of my posts are locked so that TKFT can't read them. |
| 16:26.24 | alestane | And the feed doesn't authenticate. That's okay. |
| 16:26.37 | Ackis | TKFT? |
| 16:27.13 | Lopeppeppy | Affectionate nickname for the ex, from Red. vs. Blue. Team Killing F**ktard. |
| 16:27.24 | Ackis | ah |
| 16:27.30 | Lopeppeppy | Daily Squee too, Ackis |
| 16:28.21 | Kraps | "i cant hear you over the sound of your team-killing!" |
| 16:29.44 | Kraps | fotgot to add "constant" |
| 16:29.47 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, very classy series. |
| 16:31.05 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/paid-in-fool/3332 |
| 16:31.42 | alestane | Cairenn|afk: http://notalwaysright.com/youll-need-special-2d-glasses-though/3329 |
| 16:32.53 | Lopeppeppy | Forgot this is cyber monday, all the websites will be down. |
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| 16:35.04 | alestane | This is what comes of the whole "Do not make illegal copies of this disk" propaganda: http://notalwaysright.com/when-open-source-meets-closed-minds/3305 |
| 16:40.57 | nevcairiel | we had that one last week |
| 16:40.57 | nevcairiel | :9 |
| 16:41.02 | Ackis | http://www.badassoftheweek.com/millett.html |
| 16:42.06 | cog|work | ~lart incompetent (sp?) people |
| 16:42.06 | purl | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats incompetent (sp?) people until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 16:42.06 | batbot | cog|work, incompetent is correct. |
| 16:42.07 | batbot | purl, incompetent is correct. |
| 16:42.07 | purl | batbot: okay |
| 16:42.21 | cog|work | lol |
| 16:42.23 | cog|work | ~incompetent |
| 16:42.24 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, incompetent is correct. |
| 16:42.38 | nevcairiel | purl, forget incompetent |
| 16:42.38 | purl | i forgot incompetent, nevcairiel |
| 16:42.39 | nevcairiel | jeez :p |
| 16:42.56 | Lopeppeppy | Poor girl |
| 16:43.06 | cog|work | batrick: can has ignoring purl? :P |
| 16:44.11 | Lopeppeppy | cog, if you hadn't given her a question to ask! |
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| 16:46.31 | Adys | Ackis: http://www.badassoftheweek.com/zeus.html |
| 16:47.03 | Adys | It blows. I'd honestly rather perform open-face surgery on myself with those colorful plastic safety scissors you get in kindergarten than read about wave-particle duality, and the coefficient of friction can pretty much lick my balls because it's a bastard from hel |
| 16:47.10 | Adys | Is this james rolfe or what? |
| 16:49.14 | zenzelezz | reverses the polarity on Adys |
| 16:49.15 | Adys | ~zenzelezz++ |
| 16:53.20 | cog|work | anyone know if there's an easy way to tell who added you to a wave? |
| 16:56.31 | cog|work | Kaelten: were you the one who added me to Tsunami: The Largest Google Wave? Kevin Baconly enough, it was started by one of my friends from high school |
| 16:56.33 | Fisker | doesn't the playback feature show that? |
| 16:57.01 | cog|work | Fisker: sure, if you want to wait for 1000s of changes to load, then navigate through them with a slider... |
| 16:57.09 | cog|work | hoping you won't miss what you're looking for |
| 16:57.17 | cog|work | short version: din mor |
| 16:57.19 | Fisker | QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ |
| 16:58.33 | airtonix | lol |
| 16:58.56 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 16:59.04 | Fisker | i hope you get banned from all translation services cog|work ! |
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| 16:59.25 | cog|work | Fisker: you lerned me "din mor" |
| 16:59.26 | cog|work | gg u |
| 16:59.55 | Fisker | noooooo |
| 17:00.00 | Fisker | that's not true |
| 17:00.15 | Fisker | <luke skywalker /> |
| 17:02.59 | Fisker | cog|work don't you like me? |
| 17:03.08 | Fisker | [Â ] Yes |
| 17:03.14 | Fisker | [Â ] No |
| 17:03.25 | cog|work | i lurvs to !lurv u |
| 17:09.10 | Ackis | yyayayayay |
| 17:09.15 | Ackis | i don't get yelled at today |
| 17:09.17 | Ackis | w00t |
| 17:09.23 | Ackis | boss is out sick |
| 17:09.23 | Ackis | hahah |
| 17:09.38 | cog|work | zomg uncivil canadian???! |
| 17:10.13 | Fisker | fire him Ackis |
| 17:10.32 | Ackis | her Fisker it's a she |
| 17:10.49 | cog|work | lern2submit imo |
| 17:11.34 | Kaelten | cog|work: not me |
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| 17:13.32 | alestane | cog|work: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274812/ |
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| 17:14.06 | cog|work | station |
| 17:14.18 | Lunessa | station |
| 17:14.28 | Ackis | bus stop |
| 17:14.29 | alestane | status quo |
| 17:15.19 | Lunessa | How's things. |
| 17:15.53 | Fisker | library |
| 17:16.13 | Ackis | shut up Fisker |
| 17:16.17 | Fisker | no Ackis |
| 17:16.23 | Ackis | yes |
| 17:16.31 | Fisker | if you kill me, i'll shut up |
| 17:16.35 | cog|work | netflixQueue.Add(alestane.GetRecommendation()) |
| 17:16.41 | Ackis | kills Fisker |
| 17:16.53 | Ackis | people who use netflix are the devil |
| 17:17.01 | cog|work | >:D |
| 17:17.04 | Lunessa | alestane: Good one. |
| 17:17.04 | alestane | It was an excellent movie. |
| 17:17.19 | Fisker | i'm not ded |
| 17:17.21 | Fisker | wut |
| 17:17.22 | Lunessa | Ackis: Could it be .... SATAN? |
| 17:17.23 | Fisker | dead |
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| 17:18.14 | Fisker | durr |
| 17:18.17 | Fisker | fail joek |
| 17:20.25 | Ackis | ilu dead Fisker |
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| 17:22.28 | airtonix | ilu : Inverted Levinstein Upvalue |
| 17:22.33 | Lunessa | Word to the wise: If you can't sleep and decide to try a Tylenol PM - 'twere best done early. |
| 17:23.57 | Fisker | licks Ackis |
| 17:24.25 | Ackis | Fisker: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/11/bvoe833d24tei185v3combg9ib15lq72.jpg hug her IMO |
| 17:24.33 | Ackis | Lunessa: I go with codine |
| 17:24.51 | Fisker | is that your boss? |
| 17:25.02 | Grum | wasnt that fisker in the weekends? |
| 17:25.25 | Lunessa | Ackis: It's easier to buy Codine in Canada, eh? Here you need a prescription and an police escort. |
| 17:25.49 | Ackis | I just go to the doc and say "I need T4's please" and they're like "kk" |
| 17:25.57 | Ackis | codine isn't a narcotic here |
| 17:27.36 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:27.38 | Fisker | is that your boss? |
| 17:28.56 | cog|work | qualifying "C++" with "unmanaged" when there is no existing .Net context is QQ |
| 17:29.10 | p3lim | how do I select what branch to clone with git? |
| 17:29.22 | Grum | you dont |
| 17:29.27 | Grum | you clone *all* of it or nothing |
| 17:29.39 | Grum | hmm you can do a shallow clone but you still cant select a branch on that |
| 17:30.56 | Ackis | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/11/evostorage_fixed.jpg <-- no 8 inch floppies :( |
| 17:31.24 | p3lim | how do I select what branch to use though? |
| 17:31.55 | alestane | It doesn't sound like you do. |
| 17:32.21 | Ackis | you clone the entire repo |
| 17:32.27 | Ackis | and then you just switch working branches |
| 17:32.41 | p3lim | Ackis: how do I switch? |
| 17:32.41 | Ackis | I don't remember the commands but it's not difficult I know |
| 17:33.19 | Grum | git checkout branch |
| 17:34.00 | Grum | oh if you did a clone, then git checkout -t origin/<branch> (that makes a local branch tracking the remote one) |
| 17:35.17 | p3lim | Grum: thanks :D |
| 17:39.52 | Torhal | http://cdn.mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/twitterbillboard.jpg |
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| 18:01.35 | Ackis | 1st amendment is free speech? |
| 18:02.02 | Torhal | Ackis: Pretty much |
| 18:02.38 | alestane | Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, right to peaceably assemble, no law regarding establishment of religion. |
| 18:02.51 | Ackis | how come I keep hearing about people posting stuff anonymously and holding up the first amendment as a reason not to give out identities? |
| 18:03.16 | Lunessa | *sigh* I hate having to explain how file shares to someone who a) has a PHD and b) tells me "This was all straight-forward under XP" when it's THE SAME PATH. |
| 18:03.56 | alestane | I don't see that the 1st amendment has anything to do with that. Of course, I also have the right to disregard what they say, especially if they won't cite it. |
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| 18:04.28 | Ackis | it came up on law and order last night, then again in some news stories I'm reading, was just curious really |
| 18:04.51 | alestane | "You don't have to tell me who you are, and I don't have to care what you think. Funny how that works out." |
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| 18:07.11 | alestane | Do you mean, people such as journalists or witnesses refusing to give up the identity of a source? |
| 18:07.31 | Ackis | anonymous comments on internet sites is what the two issues were about |
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| 18:08.41 | alestane | And did the site use the 1st amendment as grounds for not disclosing the poster's identity? |
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| 18:09.36 | Ackis | in both cases yes |
| 18:09.50 | Lunessa | Freedom of the press has been expanded a lot by precedent and decision in the last 200+ years. This is a good thing. |
| 18:10.24 | Ackis | I just think if you're going to say something, no matter what medium, you should be accountable for it |
| 18:10.37 | Ackis | unless it involves Fisker sucking |
| 18:11.22 | alestane | I'm not even sure that the 1st amendment would be needful in most of those cases. It doesn't seem like it was directly intended to preserve anonymity, although I can see some avenues where it might be argued to. |
| 18:12.47 | Lunessa | Ackis: Protecting sources has been invaluable in getting to truth when those in power would do most anything to suppress it. Hell, it was so important in the 60s that "-gate" has entered the lexicon. |
| 18:13.23 | Ackis | protecting sources is different then protecting the identity of people making comments themselves |
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| 18:13.36 | alestane | Right, the main connection is freedom from fear of reprisal. |
| 18:14.36 | alestane | The basic intent of freedom of the press is that as long as what you are saying is not libelous, you should not have to fear coercion or authoritative retribution for saying it. |
| 18:15.14 | Lunessa | There's a reason I have a blog under my name, and that I don't go to great lengths to hide my identity. But if I were engaged in a whistle-blowing enterprise, you can bet your left nut I would take care to keep my identity hidden. |
| 18:15.47 | Lopeppeppy | Hi, Lunessa. *hug* |
| 18:15.56 | Lunessa | *hugs* |
| 18:16.07 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: TERROR! https://www.snuggiefordogs.com/ |
| 18:16.32 | Ackis | Lunessa: I can agree with that, I was mainly confused why the 1st was used as a defence |
| 18:16.35 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:16.38 | Fisker | *slaps* |
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| 18:17.04 | Lunessa | Ackis: Because invoking it makes for good TV and Law & Order is about drama. |
| 18:17.09 | Ackis | Torhal: that is so wrong |
| 18:17.11 | Lunessa | And a left-ist agenda. |
| 18:17.28 | Torhal | Ackis: Yes. Yes it is. |
| 18:17.44 | Ackis | Lunessa: it wasn't just there, it was also about the video professor being called a "scammer" and wanting the identities of people who stated that, which was the same concept as on law and order |
| 18:18.00 | Ackis | Torhal: I have a snuggie though |
| 18:18.44 | Lunessa | Ackis: That guy at Tech Crunch signs his name. :P |
| 18:18.58 | Ackis | lol |
| 18:19.02 | Ackis | yes it's related to that :P |
| 18:19.22 | Ackis | but in the story it links to other sites that have comments |
| 18:19.31 | Lopeppeppy | I saw physical snuggies on sale at a store this week. I nearly had to go and kill someone. |
| 18:19.31 | Torhal | OMFG |
| 18:20.01 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: snuggies r fun |
| 18:20.04 | Lunessa | And if you make libelous/slanderous claims - even in the press - you're not free of consequences. If you can prove your claims are true, it's not libel or slander. But often times threatening someone with legal action for that will make them shut up. |
| 18:20.28 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 18:20.33 | Ackis | sup Fisker |
| 18:20.45 | Fisker | why won't you die |
| 18:20.56 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: They're sort of silly and senseless, but why are snuggies cause for slaughter? |
| 18:21.16 | alestane | Not that I get the fuss about them, they're basically just a bathrobe on backwards. |
| 18:21.18 | Ackis | Fisker: I'm trying to :( |
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| 18:23.08 | Lunessa | alestane: It's worse than that. They're cheap blankets with sleeves. And when I say cheap, I mean... who the hell buys a blanket for $19.95 and expects it to last the week? |
| 18:23.47 | Ackis | Lunessa: my snuggie has lasted for like a month or two |
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| 18:24.04 | Lunessa | Figures you'd have one. |
| 18:24.24 | Ackis | I stated I had one before :P |
| 18:25.13 | Ackis | my cat tried to climb under it last night and I was afraid for my wiener |
| 18:29.26 | Lunessa | Overshare. |
| 18:36.09 | Dagmar | Aren't those made of the same water-soluble fleece most of the stuff at Old Navy is? |
| 18:37.09 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
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| 18:42.51 | alestane | It looks like Lua compiles 64-bit clean, can anyone confirm this? |
| 18:43.17 | Ackis | http://www.catsforgold.com/ <-- was hoping I could mail in some cats to get gold :( |
| 18:43.23 | nevcairiel | vanilla or wow? |
| 18:43.48 | nevcairiel | i compiled both on 64-bit linux, now that i think about it |
| 18:45.03 | alestane | nevcairiel: As a library in my own application. If I want to use it in a 64-bit application, it must be 64-bit compatible. |
| 18:45.20 | nevcairiel | Well the standalone app compiled fine on 64bit |
| 18:45.25 | nevcairiel | so that should be ok |
| 18:45.51 | alestane | It sounds like it is, just wanted to see what anyone else had to say. |
| 18:46.25 | p3lim | does LibHealComm work solo? |
| 18:46.29 | p3lim | or just in raids? |
| 18:46.38 | p3lim | ./groups |
| 18:46.49 | nevcairiel | whats the point in solo? there is no-one to comm with |
| 18:47.49 | p3lim | Just testing purposes |
| 18:48.11 | p3lim | Just having issues implementing it to my oUF layout |
| 18:48.25 | p3lim | And no, I can't use the plug-in, I have no statusbars |
| 18:49.10 | foxlit | ~Ackis++ |
| 18:54.32 | cog|work | is linkedin being shitty for anyone else today? |
| 18:55.13 | NightHawkTheSane | just had to defend why an account created by an admin tool actually needed to have a password associated with it. >< |
| 18:55.22 | NightHawkTheSane | cries a little |
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| 18:57.09 | Adys | http://henry.vignaud.free.fr/joomlahenry/ |
| 18:57.13 | Adys | Wow |
| 18:57.17 | Adys | this guy is a total douchebag |
| 18:57.34 | Dagmar | He's French. What do you expect? |
| 18:57.38 | Adys | the fucker dares come on national news talking about spirits bullshit |
| 18:57.40 | p3lim | english is awesome |
| 18:57.41 | Adys | fucking mediums |
| 18:58.10 | Adys | and the france3 wads let him go on all serious about it |
| 18:58.18 | Adys | in a fking "paranormal reportage" |
| 18:58.28 | Adys | Someone please make this guy's life hell |
| 18:59.01 | alestane | nevcairiel: Have you worked with Cocoa at all? |
| 18:59.11 | nevcairiel | no, i'm not a mac person |
| 18:59.12 | Adys | his assholery reflects on how retarded the code on this page is |
| 18:59.21 | Grum | Adys: all that crap is fake anyhow, cant wait for the LHC to prove there was a big bang somehow ;P |
| 18:59.22 | Adys | a badly-centered marquee |
| 18:59.23 | Adys | in flash |
| 18:59.26 | NightHawkTheSane | aaaaaaand.. the "workround" for user idiocy is to shove passwords into cleartext email. |
| 18:59.27 | alestane | Somehow I thought you were, but that could easily be my misconception. |
| 18:59.29 | NightHawkTheSane | yay |
| 18:59.37 | Adys | Grum: OH THATS GONNA WORK |
| 18:59.59 | Adys | its a bangbang machine, wtf do you expect it to do? convert people to sanity? |
| 18:59.59 | alestane | Apple is pretty clearly saying "Use Cocoa for 64-bit apps", and Objective-C always makes me want to claw my eyes out. |
| 19:00.24 | Grum | Adys: ofc! ;) |
| 19:00.57 | Adys | fucker uses php, flash, marquee and gifs on the same fucking site |
| 19:01.20 | Adys | about outdated content |
| 19:01.24 | Adys | ... |
| 19:01.38 | Legorol | Adys: why are you even looking at the page? |
| 19:01.49 | Adys | because this asshole just came up on national news |
| 19:01.55 | Adys | and this pisses me off to no end |
| 19:01.58 | Dagmar | heh |
| 19:02.00 | Legorol | fair enuff |
| 19:02.18 | Adys | hahah |
| 19:02.28 | Adys | governmental site with google ads |
| 19:02.36 | Adys | man what the hell am I doing here |
| 19:03.24 | Adys | http://www.france3.fr/ |
| 19:03.27 | Adys | just LOOK AT IT |
| 19:03.30 | Adys | this is messed upo |
| 19:03.31 | Adys | -o |
| 19:05.17 | Thunder_Child | so are you |
| 19:07.18 | Dagmar | Wow. Awesome |
| 19:07.33 | Dagmar | Tanker full of hydrochloric acid flipped over on CNN |
| 19:07.44 | Dagmar | The interstate is smoking. :) |
| 19:07.56 | Dagmar | Quick! Someone smash a tanker full of nitric acid into it! |
| 19:08.22 | Shirik | Adys: That's what you get for being a frenchie |
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| 19:08.44 | Adys | no, I got the fuck out of this country for a reason |
| 19:08.51 | Adys | why the HELL did I come back |
| 19:08.55 | Adys | even for 15 fucking days |
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| 19:10.25 | Seerah | Shadowed: re ncUI - that's not the first time he's shot people down on corrections of his misguided opinion. I have to keep reminding myself that he's a kid... but sometimes I want to get a cluex4... |
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| 19:11.14 | Torhal | I just had a back-and-forth with him a few days ago about frame-caching. |
| 19:11.23 | Seerah | yeah, I read that. |
| 19:11.49 | Seerah | he even made a comment the other day something like "why are we always arguing about stuff?" |
| 19:12.05 | Torhal | Heh |
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| 19:12.37 | Seerah | this one made me chuckle :) http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=167419#post167419 |
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| 19:16.11 | Adys | Seerah: |
| 19:16.16 | Seerah | Adys |
| 19:16.27 | Adys | Just because he's a kid doesn't mean he's not a tard |
| 19:17.00 | Seerah | rofl :) yes, but teenagers especially have a "self-centric" view on the world. |
| 19:17.12 | Adys | Not really |
| 19:17.15 | Dagmar | That's ego-centric. |
| 19:17.24 | Seerah | that too :p |
| 19:17.28 | Adys | I know plenty of very smart 15- wow players, and 25+ clueless batwits |
| 19:17.33 | Dagmar | ...usually bordering on nihilism or solipism |
| 19:17.41 | Adys | clueless batwits who just got out of uni |
| 19:17.46 | Seerah | too far, Dagmar |
| 19:17.47 | Adys | with their omgdiploma |
| 19:17.57 | Seerah | Adys: this is true :) |
| 19:18.10 | Adys | and generally, smart at 15 smart at 25 |
| 19:18.19 | Adys | tard at 25, was already a tard much earlier |
| 19:18.26 | Dagmar | Seerah: Nah, I think considering the frequency I'd like to kill them where they stand for being idiots, it's spot on |
| 19:18.33 | Adys | my god have I gotten soft on people |
| 19:18.33 | Seerah | :D |
| 19:18.44 | Adys | it's good to be an ass once in a while \o/ |
| 19:18.54 | Seerah | Adys: quick! put on your scowl face! |
| 19:19.30 | Adys | no, Douchy Vignaud is taking all of my vomited diarrhea in the face right now |
| 19:19.32 | Adys | I dont intend to turn away |
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| 19:25.44 | Shirik | "yum" stands for "yellowdog updater, modified"? |
| 19:25.48 | Shirik | Wow |
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| 19:26.48 | Lunessa | Wait, I'm a mean guy on an RP server and I know it all. Am I "very smart" or a "batwit"? I bet this is one of those questions where "if you have to ask, you don't want to know the answer." |
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| 19:28.17 | cog|work | Shirik: wy dun u lurvs me??!! qQ |
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| 19:29.20 | Shirik | i lol @ u |
| 19:29.43 | cog|work | i has PMS 4 u |
| 19:29.45 | Thunder_Child | cringes |
| 19:30.15 | Shirik | ACL2 !>(thm (= cogwheel nil)) |
| 19:30.15 | Shirik | By the simple :definition = we reduce the conjecture to |
| 19:30.15 | Shirik | Goal' |
| 19:30.15 | Shirik | (NOT COGWHEEL). |
| 19:30.54 | cog|work | lua> Shirik |
| 19:30.55 | lua_bot | cog|work: nil |
| 19:31.14 | Lunessa | Attempt to index Shirik, a nil value. |
| 19:31.31 | cog|work | but 4srs, did you get my pm? i can resend if your log thingy failed |
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| 19:37.09 | Lunessa | Anyone have a good link on gearing strategy for feral druids, with a focus on tanking? |
| 19:37.30 | Lunessa | Everything I've found is for 80+, I'm looking for "leveling" |
| 19:37.52 | nevcairiel | just get high-stam and agility |
| 19:38.08 | nevcairiel | dodge if you can and it doesnt cut into anything else |
| 19:38.32 | nevcairiel | thats about it for feral gearing :D |
| 19:39.03 | Lunessa | So stack lots of agility and stamina and call it good? |
| 19:39.39 | nevcairiel | pretty much |
| 19:41.12 | Lunessa | Ok. Thanks. |
| 19:43.17 | Shirik | Lunessa: Respec resto |
| 19:43.33 | Shirik | but for reals I actually totally value you as feral |
| 19:43.36 | Lunessa | Shirik: NO U |
| 19:43.40 | Shirik | because then you're not stealing my job |
| 19:43.44 | Shirik | like every other resto druid |
| 19:43.52 | nevcairiel | feral is so awesome leveling |
| 19:43.52 | nevcairiel | so smooth |
| 19:44.16 | Lunessa | Shirik: Back in the day, when I originally rolled this character (2005) I got kicked out of a guild for not specing resto. |
| 19:44.22 | Shirik | rofl |
| 19:44.52 | foxlit | Back in (2005), resto was the only interesting spec? |
| 19:44.54 | nevcairiel | back then, resto was the only viable group spec, tbh |
| 19:45.04 | Lunessa | The worst part of playing a healer is ... other people. There's a reason my healers are my least favorite characters. |
| 19:45.40 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: I was told "You're useless to us unless you spec resto. And if you don't, we're kicking your 'lock too." |
| 19:45.50 | NightHawkTheSane | the worst part of playing any non-dps class is basically other people. |
| 19:47.03 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Sadly, the best and worst part of MMOs is other people. |
| 19:47.05 | foxlit | Meh? |
| 19:47.21 | NightHawkTheSane | s/mmos/life/ |
| 19:47.29 | foxlit | As dps, you get the silly "I DID 42 MORE DAMAGE THAN YOU, LOLZ" exclamations |
| 19:47.57 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, but at least (in general) other people don't make your job harder. |
| 19:48.16 | NightHawkTheSane | idiots standing in fire or doing all manner of stupid things makes healing and tanking a pain in the ass. |
| 19:49.09 | msoul | NightHawkTheSane: a while ago did pug togc10 the fella got burning bile and ran toward us like a suicide bomber |
| 19:49.24 | Lunessa | "Hell is other people." |
| 19:49.26 | msoul | lately i do few dailies and bgs with my low level char |
| 19:49.42 | NightHawkTheSane | I did a pug toc-10 yesterday (or was it saturday, i forget), both druids got hit with, and died from, the very first firebomb on beasts. |
| 19:49.49 | NightHawkTheSane | next attempt, nobody killed snobolds. ever. |
| 19:50.41 | msoul | i try to avoid pugs as much as possible until i can find a decent guild to join and raid with |
| 19:51.26 | Lunessa | I tanked UK as my first "I'm 70, better start practicing" instance. It went like this: Me: Faerie Fire(Feral) Mobs: Time for Fun! Mage: PEW PEW PEW PEW Priest: Rezzing Mage, again. Mage: You suck as a tank. |
| 19:51.57 | msoul | haha yeah they always do that |
| 19:52.13 | msoul | when i tanked i was second on recount and blamed me for a wipe |
| 19:52.20 | Lunessa | I even said up front, "Go slow, I'm new at this." |
| 19:52.20 | durcyn | feral tanking is pretty easy, though, once the target actually gets close enough to maul |
| 19:52.57 | msoul | i'm leveling up a warrior for tanking later |
| 19:53.23 | durcyn | ain't near as obnoxious as the bad old days before threat API and such |
| 19:53.26 | msoul | used to tank with my dk |
| 19:54.07 | Lunessa | I've played lots of DPS and healers. I never really got into tanking. My druid and my warrior were both 62 at the start of the holiday weekend. I figured there was less to "re-learn" as a druid tank. |
| 19:54.29 | durcyn | are you glyphed correctly? maul glyph is huge for multi target |
| 19:54.42 | Lunessa | I have that. |
| 19:55.23 | Lunessa | Try not too laugh too hard: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&n=Wyldsong |
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| 19:56.24 | Lunessa | There's a few things I'd like to take in Feral that I don't have, but I'm leveling fast and respecs are still cheap. :) |
| 19:56.52 | msoul | think warriors are best for tanking |
| 19:56.57 | p3lim | Does LibHealComm work solo, or just in raids/groups? |
| 19:57.12 | Lopeppeppy | as a healer, I loved my druids sooooo hard. |
| 19:57.34 | Lunessa | p3lim: Works solo. |
| 19:57.43 | p3lim | Ait, thanks |
| 19:58.19 | Fisker | Anyone know if the Blizzard launcher get it's url to load from somewhere or if it's hardcoded into the app itself? |
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| 20:00.26 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont really have an issue healing any tank, they're all more or less the same (gear/skill being equal) |
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| 20:01.38 | Lunessa | Like I said - I picked the druid because there would be less to relearn than trying to figure it all out as a warrior. |
| 20:01.59 | Shadowed | Seerah|away: Oh? How old is ncUI author |
| 20:02.26 | Shadowed | or was he the one who alluded to being 14 |
| 20:02.29 | Shadowed | "alluded" |
| 20:03.11 | Adys | Fisker: its hardcoded |
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| 20:03.23 | Adys | strings Launcher.exe | grep http |
| 20:04.08 | Fisker | if only i had linux |
| 20:04.12 | Adys | http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/2008/10/magic-map/ |
| 20:04.21 | Lunessa | Noticed an oddity. Launcher updates the desktop icon's properties at launch time to point to last launched copy of itself. Bad if you have multiple installs. |
| 20:05.07 | haste | http://dpaste.com/127132/plain/ heh |
| 20:05.12 | Fisker | http://troll-web.corp.blizzard.net:8041/2.0/ |
| 20:05.13 | Fisker | lulz |
| 20:05.41 | Fisker | TRANSLATE ME! If this is checked, you will pre-download data for the Expansion. You will still need to purchase the World of Warcraft: Burning Crusade when it is released. |
| 20:05.46 | Fisker | This is what they should've done to begin with |
| 20:06.32 | haste | TRANSLATE ME! Cannot apply new patch to StarCraft II. |
| 20:06.34 | haste | is also nice |
| 20:07.35 | Fisker | old haste |
| 20:07.42 | haste | yeh I know |
| 20:07.47 | Fisker | but it wasn't nice when i told you like ??? months ago |
| 20:07.49 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:07.58 | haste | the lancher was spewing SC2 versions during wotlk alpha/beta |
| 20:08.13 | Fisker | never saw that :o |
| 20:08.21 | haste | yes, you didn't run linux |
| 20:08.22 | Shadowed | Ah Nightcracker is 14 year |
| 20:08.29 | haste | Shadowed: are you suprised :p ? |
| 20:08.57 | haste | Fisker: http://dpaste.com/127133/ waht I see everytime I start WoW! |
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| 20:09.14 | Shadowed | No not really |
| 20:10.07 | Fisker | aww haste |
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| 20:14.00 | Thunder_Child | does lifetap generate threat? |
| 20:14.22 | Fisker | so haste |
| 20:14.27 | Fisker | lets find out what troll-web is for |
| 20:15.02 | Dagmar | Fisker: It's not a subsection of Encylopedia Dramatica? |
| 20:15.13 | Dagmar | It sounds like that's what it would be... |
| 20:15.56 | haste | Dagmar: nah, it's a CDN system or so blizzard uses afaik |
| 20:16.07 | haste | I checked it out ages ago :p |
| 20:16.29 | Dagmar | Named _troll_ web? Weird |
| 20:17.12 | Fisker | well it's probably the rpg troll |
| 20:17.16 | Fisker | not the internet one |
| 20:17.23 | Kaso | Thunder_Child the mana gain would at least give some threat |
| 20:17.50 | Kaso | plus then you get fel-armor self-healing ticks on the lost health which also gives you threat |
| 20:18.18 | Thunder_Child | i thought only health gain generates threat, no mana |
| 20:18.20 | Thunder_Child | not* |
| 20:18.45 | Ackis | Torhal: ? |
| 20:19.01 | Kaso | i thought otherwise, but never really tested it. seems like i'd be easy to test though |
| 20:19.07 | Torhal | Ackis: Foof. |
| 20:19.09 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Low Health is a "threat" item. Mobs like to target low-health persons. |
| 20:19.38 | Dagmar | If yer lookin' like easy pickin's, expect to get beat on |
| 20:19.41 | NeoTron | Lunessa: if by mobs you mean... faction champions? |
| 20:19.54 | Lunessa | NeoTron: Oh yes. Oh yes indeedy. |
| 20:20.00 | Thunder_Child | and is that actual or 'seeming'? |
| 20:20.05 | NeoTron | man do I hate that fight on 25 man heroic |
| 20:20.06 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Just be glad it doesn't work like EQ |
| 20:20.21 | Dagmar | There were so many ways for threat to lock onto a single person it was crazy |
| 20:20.24 | Lunessa | EQ = Mechanics designed to PUNISH you for playing the game. |
| 20:20.39 | Dagmar | My favorite was just the "special wizard aggro" |
| 20:20.45 | Thunder_Child | i still think you should lose XP for dieing |
| 20:20.45 | Torhal | Lunessa: I thought it was hilarious how your threat would go up 1000% when you sat down. |
| 20:20.51 | Dagmar | All wizard DD spells had a "supertaunt" effect |
| 20:21.01 | Lunessa | I can't believe i played that game for 5 years. |
| 20:21.27 | Lopeppeppy | SUCKER! :P |
| 20:21.35 | Dagmar | ...meaning literally I could cast the level 1 puff of fire which did about 3 points of damage four times real quick and literally be _guaranteed_ to take the aggro from anyone |
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| 20:21.46 | Dagmar | I had a stick that could do it even |
| 20:22.13 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: I sent them a rather graphic letter explaining why not only I was quitting but that they could eff off and die shortly after Luclin came out |
| 20:22.44 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I have friends that work for SoE on EQ, EQII and other games - and even my loyalty to them won't get me to play any Sony games again. |
| 20:22.58 | Dagmar | When I'd waited patiently for them to un-nerf the class so I could actually get a group without having to pay people money by the hour, I'd had enough |
| 20:24.02 | Lunessa | Basically, I'm through with games that have XP loss as a core mechanic. |
| 20:24.09 | Dagmar | For those not aware, in the Luclin expansion they had nerfed the wizard class to the point where no one would take you in a group because your damage output was ONLY useful in hail mary situations |
| 20:24.15 | Lunessa | Oh, and mob "backwash" |
| 20:24.27 | Dagmar | ....and your running-around-damage wasn't high enough to actually kill ANYTHING that would give you XP |
| 20:24.39 | Dagmar | You would be out of mana before even the lowest green con mob would die |
| 20:24.45 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Which is why I played an Enchanter. |
| 20:25.03 | Dagmar | So basically, unless you were in a guild that didn't mind an obvious "carry", your XP stopped at level 52. Period. |
| 20:25.39 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I didnt' care what class people played, but I expected that all classes would remain at least minmally viable |
| 20:25.52 | Dagmar | The only thing wizards were good for when I quit was teleports |
| 20:26.11 | Lunessa | *shrug* my friends playing Wizards didn't have the complaints you do. And I played a lot past Luclin. |
| 20:26.16 | Dagmar | ..and they didn't do anything about it until that class was so underrepresented they amounted to less than half a percent of people playing at any one time |
| 20:26.32 | Dagmar | Lunessa: They were in guilds that would take them along no matter what |
| 20:27.35 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I don't know about that. But in EQ, I wasn't much of a raider. I was pretty intolerant of wipes that could cost me a week or more of leveling efforts. |
| 20:27.36 | Dagmar | I can assure you that there was no way to solo anything that would give you XP at level 52 or higher, no matter how you stacked your gear |
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| 20:29.45 | Lunessa | Dagmar: EQ's philosophy (at the time) was that everything, even leveling, should require a group past 50. So classes had less of an issue. See: Necromancer, Druid, Monk. |
| 20:30.22 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Yeah but that was bullshit |
| 20:30.38 | p3lim | HealComm:GetHealModifier(guid), does that react to such as debuffs and/or buffs that can alter the healing taken on the unit? |
| 20:30.53 | Dagmar | It doesn't bear on the fact that the wizard class had been nerfed to the point where the damage output was barely 2/3rds of any other class |
| 20:31.28 | Lunessa | Dagmar: The games mechanics were based around the whole idea that you should be punished at every turn for the slightest mistakes. Even those of people not in your group. |
| 20:31.31 | Dagmar | Like the ONLY thing it had going for it was that you could cross your fingers and just chain-cast to try to drop a mob in a pinch, and that was only if it's health was pretty low to begin with becasuse chaincasting would MAKE it come for you |
| 20:31.46 | Shadowed | ... yes thats the entire point of the API |
| 20:31.58 | Dagmar | The class as a whole was no longer viable for combat |
| 20:32.08 | Dagmar | So, I pretty much said "eff you guys I'm taking my money and going somewhere else" |
| 20:32.25 | Dagmar | I also spent a few months raising complete hell |
| 20:33.42 | Lunessa | Good. I quit the game to play City of Heroes. And then moved to WoW. Hasn't really been anything but Civ IV that takes me away from WoW for long. Tried Age of Conan and I want those hours and my money back. :( Tried a few other games, but they're not as much fun. |
| 20:34.15 | Thunder_Child | SC2 will take me away from wow |
| 20:34.43 | Thunder_Child | so will C&C4 for that matter |
| 20:35.25 | nevcairiel | the only game i'm really looking forward to is D3 |
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| 20:57.01 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i'm wondering about a bad song that goes soemthing like "I want my S C V" (the the tune of money for nothing) |
| 20:57.41 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 20:58.04 | Thunder_Child | starts writing |
| 20:59.52 | Lopeppeppy | I think Weird Al did a parody of it too, listen to both songs for inspiration. |
| 21:00.39 | Thunder_Child | yes he did |
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| 21:04.12 | Adys | how can people |
| 21:04.12 | Adys | ugh |
| 21:04.23 | Adys | "I'm seeing bad ads <screenshot>" |
| 21:04.28 | Adys | "It may be your computer" |
| 21:10.17 | Lunessa | Headasplody |
| 21:11.20 | Lopeppeppy | Nooo. Use more duct tape |
| 21:12.32 | Lunessa | I am not Fae Rae |
| 21:13.19 | NightHawkTheSane | grabs lunessa and climbs to the top of the empire state building |
| 21:13.48 | Lunessa | didn't know NightHawkTheSane was that kind of ape. |
| 21:14.08 | NightHawkTheSane | what, large and angry?.. well, half right. |
| 21:15.40 | Lopeppeppy | I think that one was Fay Wray anyway. |
| 21:15.44 | Lunessa | I suppose if you were a female gorilla it would be marginally less ludicrous. |
| 21:16.01 | Lunessa | Yeah, I couldn't be bothered to look up the spelling. I r teh lazy. |
| 21:16.24 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 21:22.40 | Lunessa | But still you know the duct tape joke. |
| 21:23.37 | NightHawkTheSane | needs a foam sword and a rolly chair |
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| 21:25.00 | alestane | Are you waiting for your code to compile? |
| 21:27.13 | NightHawkTheSane | almost |
| 21:27.38 | NightHawkTheSane | running a script that has to parse through tens of thousands of records. it's taking a little while. |
| 21:28.17 | Lunessa | "compiling" |
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| 21:29.29 | NightHawkTheSane | on the up side, the fact that it IS taking so long, means i think i solved the memory issue |
| 21:34.54 | Fisker | slaps NightHawkTheSane around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:35.16 | Fisker | that is the only valid reason to do foam sword fights |
| 21:37.14 | Lunessa | Negative Ghost Rider. Foam Sword fights in the office are almost always appropriate. More so if you're employer is the Scarlet Permanent Assurance. |
| 21:37.28 | Lunessa | s / you're/your |
| 21:38.15 | Dagmar | I still hate the EQ devs for that Luclin change because they didn't announce the "everyone should group" until _after_ they'd nerfed wizards to unplayability, so it doesn't wash as a game plan for me. It was an excuse. |
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| 21:39.26 | Lunessa | Dagmar: It's been forever man. Luclin was 2000. Let it go. :) |
| 21:42.50 | Dagmar | Some crimes will never be forgiven! NEVAR! |
| 21:42.55 | Dagmar | RAWR! |
| 21:42.57 | Dagmar | heh |
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| 21:48.21 | DWSR2 | anyone know what the patch data is? |
| 21:48.55 | alestane | Probably model files and such. Patch content that has been more or less finalized. Don't quote me on any of that, though. |
| 21:49.30 | Dagmar | Meh. I'll second it |
| 21:51.28 | DWSR2 | I never quote IRC. |
| 21:51.30 | DWSR2 | I log it instead. |
| 21:54.24 | Fisker | you wouldn't hit me in the head with a hammer |
| 21:54.49 | alestane | ...bet? |
| 21:54.53 | DWSR2 | lol |
| 21:55.23 | Fisker | sure alestane |
| 21:57.58 | alestane | How about a hammerhead? |
| 21:58.34 | Aelobin | a shark? :o |
| 21:58.49 | Adys | http://14.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ktxwbxlepA1qz8z2ro1_r2_500.png |
| 22:02.21 | Lunessa | Fisker: All of those "You wouldn't X me with a Y" statements leave you generally vulnerable to many of us stating that we would, in fact, X you with a Y. |
| 22:03.13 | DWSR2 | I have a feeling that your statement is purely dependant upon what X and Y are. |
| 22:03.15 | zenzelezz | I would totally X with peppy's Y |
| 22:03.28 | DWSR2 | hehe |
| 22:04.05 | alestane | Aelobin: Damn skippy. Payback for all those trout. |
| 22:04.47 | Aelobin | nice plan |
| 22:04.51 | Adys | I would totally put zenzelezz's X in a melting hot Y |
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| 22:05.28 | zenzelezz | =D |
| 22:06.00 | Adys | =D --> ~=] |
| 22:06.16 | DWSR | .. |
| 22:07.19 | Lunessa | X and Y are totally the new thing. |
| 22:07.45 | Adys | Your X is totally the new thing |
| 22:08.44 | Fisker | soothes zenzelezz |
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| 22:12.07 | Lunessa | Adys: Face it, you covet my X |
| 22:12.27 | Adys | Oops, I just X'd my Y |
| 22:13.34 | Aelobin | I've enough X for everyone |
| 22:13.40 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=68509 vs http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=68510 |
| 22:14.59 | foxlit | I wonder if there are two Anub'Arak mobs in toc. |
| 22:15.22 | DWSR | heroic and non-heroic. |
| 22:16.30 | foxlit | I was thinking more in terms of alliance and horde |
| 22:16.44 | foxlit | Seems strange that he'd have two identical PC spells. |
| 22:16.52 | DWSR | Not really. |
| 22:16.59 | DWSR | There's 4 variants of ToCr. |
| 22:17.23 | DWSR | How do you tell them apart from a log standpoint except for a spellID? |
| 22:17.34 | foxlit | Just a spellid |
| 22:17.37 | Adys | foxlit: http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/creature/anub'arak/ |
| 22:18.04 | foxlit | Adys: that's a lot of them. |
| 22:18.16 | Adys | except you only want the ones called "Anub'arak" |
| 22:18.22 | Adys | and there are two of them |
| 22:18.34 | DWSR | though, it would make sense that there are actually 8 versions of Anub'Arak. |
| 22:18.42 | Adys | no it would not |
| 22:18.45 | DWSR | Yes it would. |
| 22:18.47 | DWSR | Loot tables. |
| 22:18.50 | foxlit | What are the (1) (2) (3) things? |
| 22:18.55 | Adys | testing mobs |
| 22:19.52 | Adys | there are only one version of each mob, regardless of level and what not |
| 22:20.02 | Adys | but horde/alliance that can easily be the case |
| 22:20.08 | Adys | altho I don't see why |
| 22:20.18 | Adys | loot tables can easily be changed but toc is so messed up |
| 22:21.00 | DWSR | Adys: It was my understanding that changing the difficulty level changed the mobs so that they used different spells, had different loot tables, etc. |
| 22:23.58 | cog|work | is meetup.com dead for anyone else? |
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| 22:27.52 | Aelobin | cog|work: i tried it and it wont connect |
| 22:28.18 | cog|work | ok "good" |
| 22:28.38 | Antiarc | cog|work: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 22:29.02 | Antiarc | Oh, that's ironic, it's broken. |
| 22:29.02 | cog|work | lol |
| 22:29.09 | cog|work | worked for me |
| 22:29.15 | Antiarc | I got a python stack trace |
| 22:29.21 | cog|work | oh lol |
| 22:29.22 | Antiarc | OverQuotaError: The API call datastore_v3.Put() required more quota than is available. |
| 22:29.47 | DWSR | Antiarc |
| 22:30.24 | Antiarc | DWSR: |
| 22:30.40 | DWSR | Suggestion for SexyCooldowns: Ability to anchor the bars to other frames. |
| 22:30.53 | Antiarc | Hrm. I can see it. |
| 22:30.59 | Antiarc | Maybe an advanced/hidden option |
| 22:31.05 | DWSR | I was thinking under advanced. |
| 22:31.08 | Antiarc | I'll add it to The List, but I'm busy ATM |
| 22:31.16 | DWSR | Anchoring makes UI layouts so much easier. |
| 22:31.21 | DWSR | People really need to implement it in everything. |
| 22:31.22 | Antiarc | It's a pain because you have to have anchor point, relative anchor point, x/y offset |
| 22:31.29 | Antiarc | Just sort of a pain in the ass. |
| 22:33.09 | DWSR | Are 160% flying mounts still 100% ground speed? |
| 22:33.28 | NightHawkTheSane | no, they're 60% ground mounts |
| 22:33.50 | Fisker | LOl |
| 22:33.55 | Fisker | LOL |
| 22:34.05 | WobWork | lOL? |
| 22:34.12 | Fisker | "Problem with character name by Assbringer" |
| 22:34.12 | Fisker | this is going to be rich |
| 22:34.28 | WobWork | heh |
| 22:34.28 | DWSR | lolwtf? |
| 22:34.37 | WobWork | reminds me of a character we had on a MUd |
| 22:34.43 | DWSR | On an RP realm fisker? |
| 22:34.47 | WobWork | "Deanalator" |
| 22:34.56 | Fisker | lOL! |
| 22:34.58 | WobWork | "But my name's DEAN!!" |
| 22:35.07 | NightHawkTheSane | nice |
| 22:35.10 | Antiarc | Therapist? |
| 22:38.17 | Fisker | don't think so DWSR |
| 22:39.18 | DWSR | TourGuide, such a beautiful addon |
| 22:39.21 | DWSR | huggles. |
| 22:39.31 | DWSR | Leveling a DK went from braindead to idiotproof. |
| 22:39.38 | DWSR | err, swap those two. |
| 22:41.16 | Adys | DWSR: doesn't mean the actual creatures are different |
| 22:53.39 | DWSR | That doesn't mean they aren't. |
| 22:53.59 | DWSR | My point is merely that it isn't impossible. |
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| 23:04.48 | Adys | DWSR2: its impossible because its not the case |
| 23:04.49 | Adys | thats all |
| 23:06.08 | WobWork | cog|work: can you add more people to that tsunami? |
| 23:06.26 | WobWork | cog|work: I've found gwave has sploded on me |
| 23:06.50 | cog|work | it let me add them but didn't register the clicks |
| 23:06.57 | Lunessa | TourGuide - Enabling me to experience alt-itis on a whole new level. |
| 23:07.13 | cog|work | i.e. it didn't seem to give any feedback that it was adding the people i was clicking on, but when i looked again at the wave the people i added were there |
| 23:07.55 | WobWork | crazy |
| 23:08.01 | WobWork | any way to mass add people? |
| 23:08.26 | WobWork | we need some level of highlighting to show who's in the wave that's on our address book |
| 23:08.28 | cog|work | maybe something to do with groups? never looked into that aspect of it |
| 23:08.48 | DWSR | There is a way for you to be exalted with both the aldor and the scryers, isn't there? |
| 23:09.03 | WobWork | groups assigned in contacts don't appear to aggregate in wave =( |
| 23:09.09 | Lunessa | Be sure to suggest it WobWork. |
| 23:09.28 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: not.. afaik? |
| 23:09.44 | NightHawkTheSane | i think everything that gives you rep with one reduces your rep with the other. |
| 23:09.51 | DWSR | Well, there's an acheivement for it. |
| 23:09.52 | NightHawkTheSane | er, well |
| 23:09.56 | DWSR | Feat of Strength, too. |
| 23:09.57 | NightHawkTheSane | sorry, not at the same time, no |
| 23:10.07 | NightHawkTheSane | but yes, you can SWITCH from one to the other |
| 23:10.13 | Lunessa | DWSR: You do one, then the other. |
| 23:10.18 | Lunessa | Like dating sisters. |
| 23:10.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ... there are several responses to that, none of them are appropriate for civil discourse. |
| 23:10.34 | Dagmar | Maybe in your world |
| 23:10.38 | Lunessa | is so going to hell for that. |
| 23:10.45 | ZorbaBeta | pfft, that's the boring way to date sisters |
| 23:10.47 | Dagmar | I've never gotten away with it and I've gotten away with some brethtaking acts of depravity |
| 23:11.01 | NightHawkTheSane | course, since this is hardly civil discourse, Lunessa: you're doing it wrong. THAT you can do at the same time. |
| 23:11.25 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Me too, but somehow that one never actually works out. |
| 23:11.33 | Lunessa | NTHS ^^ |
| 23:11.44 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, well. no one said it wasn't risky. ;) |
| 23:11.46 | alestane | Your character can go from being exalted with the Aldor to being exalted with the Scryers and vice-versa. Your character cannot simultaneously be exalted with both factions. |
| 23:12.00 | Dagmar | Well, actually I was too drunk to risk contemplating it when the younger girl from norcal made her play (full disclosure) |
| 23:12.23 | Dagmar | Yet another reason why alcohol is bad for you |
| 23:12.28 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: to be specific, there's quests in Shattrath that are available to you if you're below neutral with the faction, you either turn in basilisk eyes or.. something else i forget |
| 23:12.40 | Dagmar | Books or something |
| 23:12.44 | NightHawkTheSane | shrugs |
| 23:12.51 | Dagmar | Maybe it was rings |
| 23:12.54 | ZorbaBeta | venom sacs |
| 23:12.58 | DWSR | NHTS: But they always lower your rep? |
| 23:13.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, yes, venom sacs |
| 23:13.04 | DWSR | That's pretty homo, imo. |
| 23:13.11 | Dagmar | I just know the ones to get back above "awful" with the Scryers are a LOT more common than the other way around |
| 23:13.15 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: yes, ANY quest that increases your rep with one side WILL lower your rep with the other. |
| 23:13.15 | DWSR | The Hero of Shattrath sounds like everyone loves you |
| 23:13.19 | WobWork | "No Homo"? |
| 23:15.46 | DWSR | God I hate leveling in Outland so much |
| 23:16.14 | NightHawkTheSane | its not so bad |
| 23:16.35 | DWSR | Not as bad as vanilla. |
| 23:16.36 | DWSR | but still |
| 23:16.41 | NightHawkTheSane | there's so much content, and the xp curve is so shallow you can pretty much avoid anything you dont want to do |
| 23:18.58 | Dagmar | A few patches after Cataclysm they'll probably just give you the tour of Shattrath, ask you to spell your name, and then tell you to stop cluttering up the place and use the portal to Northrend already |
| 23:19.28 | Lunessa | Yeah. 58-68 in Outland = Hellfire Penisula, A little Zangermasrsh, a lot of Nagrand then GTFO |
| 23:19.41 | DWSR | imo, A Tribute to Mad Skill should give you a BoA tome that automatically levels 1 character to 68 |
| 23:19.56 | NightHawkTheSane | no, that'd be absurd. |
| 23:20.43 | alestane | I wish there was a reasonable way to skip HFP, I wouldn't mind the other areas if you didn't need to be 62 to do anything worthwhile in Zangarmarsh. |
| 23:20.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think there's any possible fair way to distribute something like that, and i'm not even sure i'd want it in the game |
| 23:21.37 | Lunessa | It's bad enough that DKs start at 58 |
| 23:21.56 | NightHawkTheSane | that's about the limit of what i think is good for the game. |
| 23:21.59 | Lunessa | But then... I dislike leveling though content I've seen a jillion times. |
| 23:22.06 | NightHawkTheSane | and it's unrestricted enough to be fair at least |
| 23:22.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, but as much as leveling cna be painful, I -relaly- dont wnat to just shit out fresh 80's on a whim. >< |
| 23:22.51 | NightHawkTheSane | except spelled correctly. |
| 23:23.00 | DWSR | I do. |
| 23:23.11 | DWSR | Fuck leveling through everything I've already leveled through. |
| 23:23.20 | DWSR | The problem that I find with Outland is that there isn't really multiple routes. |
| 23:23.40 | Lunessa | NHTS - Crapping out an 80 with no previous learning time on abilities means we might as well just play Quake. So yeah. |
| 23:23.43 | NightHawkTheSane | I'll grant that, even in current vanilla content there's a few different places you can go, for some diversity |
| 23:24.07 | DWSR | NHTS: Indeed. I can actually experience a few quests that I haven't done yet. |
| 23:24.09 | DWSR | But Outland is outland. |
| 23:24.16 | Jerub | i hate outland so much |
| 23:24.24 | Jerub | i have a level 62 mage i just don't want to play right now |
| 23:24.26 | DWSR | I missed when SMV was the end game zone, and there's no point in me leveling out there, since at 68 I just zip of to BT and gg. |
| 23:25.08 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, outland could probably do with a bit of a tweak, make a few parallel zones, but *shrug* |
| 23:25.35 | DWSR | I'm leveling this Death Knight without doing any instance quests. |
| 23:25.46 | DWSR | Or running a single instance. |
| 23:26.10 | NightHawkTheSane | hfp/zangar -> terokkar/nagrand -> blades edge/smv/netherstorm would be kinda neat. |
| 23:28.34 | Jerub | I hate hate hate hfp |
| 23:28.40 | Dagmar | DWSR: My DK is almost geared enough to do HToC and that's pretty much teh only instance he's been in |
| 23:29.01 | DWSR | I think it's pretty sad, tbh. |
| 23:29.14 | DWSR | You don't learn how to play your character in a party. |
| 23:29.44 | Dagmar | Eh? |
| 23:29.50 | NightHawkTheSane | well, hopefully the x-server lfg will make it easier to run instances while leveling |
| 23:29.55 | Dagmar | I'd say you don't learn how to work with a party while soloing |
| 23:30.08 | DWSR | Dagmar: That's what I meant. |
| 23:30.16 | Dagmar | Ah okay |
| 23:30.23 | DWSR | Dagmar: Since you can level up relatively easy by solo questing, you never learn to play in a group. |
| 23:30.36 | DWSR | NHTS: The problem is, though, that instance grinding is slow compared to solo questing. |
| 23:31.11 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: indeed, but it IS a nice diversion, and some of the quest rewards, drops, and rewards from the LFG system are rather nice, hopefully the incentive will encourage it. |
| 23:31.30 | NightHawkTheSane | personally, i enjoy running instances, evne if its less efficiant, because its (generally) fun, and somewhat diverting from the grind |
| 23:32.01 | DWSR | NHTS: Indeed, as do I. |
| 23:32.23 | DWSR | Also, if you go in with a half dozen quests, it can be worth your while. |
| 23:32.35 | DWSR | Especially with a decently geared group that can get through the instance in short order. |
| 23:32.40 | NightHawkTheSane | in theory, it'd be neat if you HAD to group to level, but that's not at all healthy for the game |
| 23:33.03 | NightHawkTheSane | so really, the best they can do is make it easy, make the rewards worth it, and hope people buy in |
| 23:33.17 | Fisker | you wouldn't lulz NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:33.28 | NightHawkTheSane | no, but i would skullfuck a Fisker. |
| 23:34.01 | DWSR | imo, I think it would actually be good for the game. |
| 23:34.25 | DWSR | and maybe not mandatory, but...highly encouraged. |
| 23:34.36 | DWSR | As in, it'll give you half a level or something. |
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| 23:34.46 | NightHawkTheSane | well, that's part of making the rewards worth it |
| 23:34.53 | NightHawkTheSane | making it mandatory would be BAD |
| 23:34.54 | DWSR | NHTS: indeed. |
| 23:35.06 | Fisker | that's pretty awesome NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:36.24 | Dagmar | I'd be worried about what you'd catch |
| 23:36.34 | Lunessa | There's a reason that on my druid I'm snagging all the dungeon quests and sitting in LFG a lot listing myself as a "tank" |
| 23:37.25 | Lunessa | DWSR: Mandatory grouping is what Dagmar and I were bitching about in EQ earlier. |
| 23:37.32 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 23:37.34 | Fisker | it's chilly here NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:37.41 | DWSR | Which brings us back to the whole "You should be spec'ed as a tank in order to tank" argument. |
| 23:38.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Actually, these days, i'm not really sure that any tank spec is terribly difficult to level |
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| 23:39.29 | Lunessa | Actually, when leveling I was complaining I spent most of my time in Cat form. So I started deliberately pulling large groups of mobs and tanking them as a bear to get some practice. |
| 23:40.08 | Dagmar | For me the biggest thing to overcome was the visual spam |
| 23:40.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: what do you mean? |
| 23:40.36 | DWSR | NHTS: Do you play with your spell detail at max |
| 23:40.42 | Dagmar | As unholy/blood more than once I had specced myself so that my self-heals were so high I was almost unkillable short of pulling like, 15-20 mobs |
| 23:40.45 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: yes |
| 23:40.58 | DWSR | NHTS: Do you play with your nameplates on? |
| 23:40.59 | Dagmar | ...but the DPS in that mode was so pathetic I couldn't keep aggro against someone doing non-suck DPS |
| 23:41.08 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: yes, but i use Aloft to make them smaller/simpler |
| 23:41.24 | Dagmar | My main problem is just being able to SEE the damn mobs in the clouds of glowing magic smoke |
| 23:41.27 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 23:41.38 | Jerub | Lunessa: yeah, going bear after you get beserk is awesome for a group of mobs. |
| 23:41.52 | Jerub | Lunessa: you've got an 80 drood right? |
| 23:42.14 | Lunessa | Jerub: No, 73 dr00d |
| 23:42.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: ah, yeah, that can be an issue sometimes *shrug* I've never had a -huge- problem with it, except with absurd numbers of mobs in raid situations (whelps on ony are a pita) |
| 23:42.24 | Dagmar | Well, if I lose a mob when I'm soloing, no big deal. |
| 23:42.33 | Lunessa | Jerub: I did 62 - 73 over the weekend. |
| 23:42.37 | Jerub | Lunessa: sweet. |
| 23:42.43 | NightHawkTheSane | although, tbh, when tanking more than 3ish mobs I generally just tab target and spam as many multi-target abilities as I can |
| 23:42.45 | Dagmar | if I lose a mob when I'm tanking because a DPS is careless and I don't SEE IT HAPPEN, I'm at fault if they die |
| 23:42.46 | Jerub | my only 80 is a druid, and i'm loving it. |
| 23:43.21 | Jerub | we had a huntard on 80% threat and we told him three times to feign death. |
| 23:43.31 | Jerub | he was like,"I didn't go over 80%, there wasn't a problem" |
| 23:43.33 | Lunessa | I haven't tanked since 2005 on my warrior - at 50. Things have changed a lot. So I wanted a tank, I picked the druid for shallowest learning curve. |
| 23:43.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: *shrug* if you lose a mob because of careless dps, its not usuall your fault, though. :P |
| 23:43.49 | Jerub | Lunessa: druid tanking is so freaking simple. |
| 23:44.13 | Lunessa | Note the whole "Shallowest learning curve" part of my statment. |
| 23:44.30 | Jerub | yeah, I know. |
| 23:44.33 | Jerub | I'm just saying it :) |
| 23:44.42 | Jerub | 5 buttons, plus some oshits. |
| 23:44.48 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: If I don't see it happen, I failed at situational awareness |
| 23:45.00 | Jerub | i have so few buttons on my action bar that '1' for my bear is 'mark the target as skull' |
| 23:45.14 | Dagmar | Granted, they're idiots for not following my target, but it's still everyone's job to know what's going on at all times |
| 23:45.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: perhaps, but likewise, most dps should be careful about agro and /assist as needed |
| 23:45.59 | DWSR | NHTS: DPS who whine about tank threat don't play warlocks. |
| 23:46.03 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Keep in mind my 'main' is a hunter so I have an entirely different viewpoint on rounding up strays |
| 23:46.04 | DWSR | or hunters. |
| 23:46.17 | Dagmar | It's a much bigger pain in the ass when they are, almost by definition, running directly away from you |
| 23:46.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: oh, i know. >< |
| 23:46.40 | Dagmar | If they're simply crossing my field of fire on the hunter, it's _easy_ for me to lock them down before they nail the healer or the 'lock or the mage |
| 23:46.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i've played pretty much every tank class (though it's been a while for warrior) |
| 23:46.52 | Lunessa | I'm wondering if I should just macro Maul to Swipe and Lacerate |
| 23:47.05 | Dagmar | I was doing drills with another hunter last week to help him get better at taht actually |
| 23:47.21 | WobWork | Dagmar: distract + that deflection talent has saved many a squishy |
| 23:47.22 | Jerub | Lunessa: uh, you haven't done that yet? |
| 23:47.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i know some people do, the danger there is that you can rage starve yourself in low-rage situations. but *shrug* |
| 23:47.41 | Jerub | Lunessa: macro maul to FFF, Mangle, Swipe, Lacerate. and /use 13 and 14 too. |
| 23:47.51 | Lunessa | Jerub: When learning a class I keep all the buttons where I can see them. |
| 23:48.08 | Dagmar | Parked the monkey, md'd something to it, let it build some aggro with the lowbie hunter shooting it, then make the monkey cower to lose threat and say "KEEP IT FROM GETTING TO ME" |
| 23:49.02 | Dagmar | Except for thsoe damn mobs that up and dash |
| 23:49.06 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 23:49.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: as an aside, if the tanks not aware you're going to be doing that, it can be a real pain. :P |
| 23:49.36 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: I don't think he'll complain when I've stopped the mob cold between him and the healer |
| 23:49.39 | NightHawkTheSane | as the tank might see it run, taunt it, you'll distracting shot it (or whatever its called), and the taunt wears off before the tank builds up agro |
| 23:49.41 | WobWork | hm, what is that deflection skill? |
| 23:49.52 | Dagmar | Generally our tanks have gotten used to me pikcing up the aggro on the monkey and then sending the monkey back at their primary target |
| 23:50.03 | Dagmar | Deterrence |
| 23:50.05 | Dagmar | It's lovely |
| 23:50.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: *nod* if the tank is used to it, and understands it, it's great. |
| 23:50.10 | WobWork | that's the bunny |
| 23:50.17 | WobWork | I've saved many a htoc with that =P |
| 23:50.23 | NightHawkTheSane | but in a situation where the tank does't know thats going to happen, well, it can be frustrating :) |
| 23:50.33 | WobWork | keeping alive long enough for the tank to run back in |
| 23:50.35 | DWSR | Most of the time when I pull threat, it's just a matter of lollerburning down the target before it eats me. |
| 23:51.04 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: If they've taunted it, great. Usually I'm just letting the monkey take a beating until they get around to hitting it some more |
| 23:51.09 | DWSR | I pulled 8k TPS in a 10 man the other day. We were going for speed kill Maly, and the tank was like "Just go balls out". |
| 23:51.17 | DWSR | Maly turned around, breathed, then ate me. |
| 23:51.20 | Fisker | slaps Dagmar around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:51.26 | Fisker | slap NightHawkTheSane for me |
| 23:51.32 | Dagmar | DWSR: hehehe |
| 23:51.58 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Either way, teh threat from misdirect doesn't go away or something |
| 23:52.05 | DWSR | He asked me if I popped any cooldowns, and I politely reminded him that warlocks don't have cooldowns. |
| 23:52.30 | Dagmar | If they taunted it, and my misdirect hasn't helped push them permanently over the line, either the monkey or me will be ahead of whoever screwed up |
| 23:52.46 | Legorol | DWSR: as amusing that story is, i wound be proud of it |
| 23:52.47 | Dagmar | I can take some hits 'cuz I gots mail and Deterrence |
| 23:52.54 | Dagmar | I just hate it when they *dash* over to me |
| 23:52.55 | Legorol | a dps that can't notice that they are about to pull aggro is fail :P |
| 23:53.05 | Legorol | wound -> wouldn't |
| 23:54.07 | Lunessa | DWSR: Warlocks have Soulshatter |
| 23:54.07 | WobWork | especially a hunter =P |
| 23:54.15 | Jerub | Lunessa: when i was tanking at 80, i was pulling 1200dps until i macroed maul to all my abilities, at which point I jumped to around 2000dps. |
| 23:54.27 | WobWork | (or anyone with threat reduction) |
| 23:54.38 | Dagmar | I wish we had reduction |
| 23:54.41 | Dagmar | We just have a threat wipe |
| 23:54.50 | WobWork | o.O |
| 23:54.51 | Dagmar | ...but I'm fine with just having a threat wipe |
| 23:54.54 | WobWork | As a hunter? |
| 23:55.02 | WobWork | We have the best threat reduction in the game =P |
| 23:55.13 | Lunessa | I'm fond of saying "Enhancement shaman don't need Feign Death. We have the real thing." |
| 23:55.15 | Dagmar | Yeah, but it's an all-or-nothing thing and it's got a LONG cooldown |
| 23:55.23 | WobWork | long? |
| 23:55.36 | WobWork | try 50 minute reincarnation =P |
| 23:55.37 | Dagmar | Yes, as in too long to use a second time in a given fight unless it's a boss fight |
| 23:55.43 | WobWork | (or reduced in the patch =P) |
| 23:55.59 | Dagmar | So like, you can basically pull of a hail mary once per fight, but not two |
| 23:56.12 | Jerub | rebirth is 10minute cd. |
| 23:56.14 | WobWork | that's why MD is on a short cooldown |
| 23:56.25 | Jerub | with how long my freaking ony fights are, that's 2 breses a battle :P |
| 23:56.31 | Jerub | (in 3.3) |
| 23:56.38 | WobWork | Jerub: nah, shaman ankh, I'm talking about |
| 23:56.45 | Dagmar | MD is seldom as useful as you might think |
| 23:56.59 | WobWork | it's a threat reduction of sorts =) |
| 23:57.02 | Dagmar | For someone to get aggro if they're attacking from the range they should be, misdirection isn't going to make up for the difference |
| 23:57.20 | Dagmar | They're going to be what, 30% ahead of the tank? |
| 23:57.23 | Dagmar | ...and you get three shots to somehow make up that difference? It's a stretch |
| 23:57.31 | Dagmar | It's worth doing, but it's not a guaranteed thing |
| 23:57.35 | WobWork | I never said it would be a cure all |
| 23:57.39 | WobWork | I just said it'd help =P |
| 23:57.49 | WobWork | it's three shots -more- than what you had |
| 23:58.02 | WobWork | and with the patch, that's a whole explosive shot =P |
| 23:58.20 | Dagmar | Things turn into a nasty and unforgiving round of "scrooge your cooldowns" to pull that off |
| 23:58.42 | WobWork | well, if you're pushing threat that hard |
| 23:58.47 | WobWork | you -should- be scrooging your cooldowns |
| 23:58.59 | NightHawkTheSane | well, if you MD on cd, it can delay how soon you do pull agro :P |
| 23:59.03 | Dagmar | Well, keep in mind that you can't _shoot_ while Deterrence is going |
| 23:59.09 | WobWork | exactly |
| 23:59.31 | WobWork | Hunters pretty much have the most tools when it comes to threat management for dps |
| 23:59.31 | Dagmar | So... once aggro goes crazy, you can Distracting shot that and MAYBE have one cooldown to use before it's time to kick off Deterrence and start praying |
| 23:59.41 | Dagmar | It requires a lot of _fast_ triage tho |
| 23:59.52 | Dagmar | I loev the tools. Don't get me wrong there. |
| 23:59.57 | WobWork | Disengage to get some more range |
